Everything in this game, absolutely everything, is randomly generated. Nothing is pre-determined. Random events each age, things on the map, etc., absolutely nothing is set in stone before we begin. This is a game to play, this is also a project to build a world and its history. The civilization you control will eventually make contact with other players and the interractions between them will shape the borders, battles, and fate of this world.

A broad overview of the game:

- You control a civilization in a fantasy world. Not a character, but a people, and your decisions will shape them over generations. You start by selecting a species and a real-world cultural basis for flavor and inspiration.
- At the end of each age, you will decide on a technology to research based on the tech tree. Each player starts off on even footing as a hunter/gatherer society.
- As ages progress, your population will increase, and you will be faced with choices of how your population grows, such as allowing other species into your society and how they are integrated, or what percentage of the population goes into which job, or how much of your population will split when you form a new settlement, etc.
- Each age, you will encounter randomly-generated events that occur within your civilization. You will get to react to them and determine a course of action; factors within your civilization will influence the end result. These are referred to as "Player Reactions" and you will get one per random event (if it demands it; some events are simple and require no reaction).
- Each age, you will be allowed to make decisions outside of simply reacting to events, such as exploring, or focusing on certain things (developing works and wonders, for example). These are referred to as "Player Actions" and you will get more of them as your population increases.
- When you explore the world around you, you will encounter randomly-generated things, to include natural resources, NPC civilizations (controlled by the GM) and a large number of other possibilities (ruins, creatures, extreme terrain features, etc)
- Over the ages, you will cultivate bloodlines, magic, religion, forms of government and aesthetics, as well as things like traditions, languages and such.
- Your chosen cultural reference will influence your society in a number of ways, from unique units and buildings to exclusive forms of religion, magic, traditions, etc.
- Eventually, you will encounter other players. How you interact with them, and how they interact with you, will be up to the players.
- Your civilization will face many challenges, both from within and without: barbarians, famine, disease, dissent, influence from foreign powers and interests, and more. You will have to react to these problems and manage them as they come.
- The success, or failure, of your civilization will ultimately be up to you.

First and foremost, a species and a cultural basis must be chosen. Any species can be selected, but no cultural basis may be selected twice. As such, the following cultures are not allowed to be selected due to my players having already selected them:

>Aleutian
>Anasazi
>Arabian
>Aztec
>Babylonian
>Celtic
>Chinese
>Egyptian
>English
>Greek
>Haitian
>Japanese
>Korean
>Mediterranean
>Mongolian
>Norwegian
>Ottoman
>Scottish
>Sumerian
>Zulu

As a general rule of thumb, I use the Civilization games as a point of reference for cultures as well as things like cultural bonuses, unique units and such. Though as you can see from above, I have allowed unique or slightly more obscure cultures that don't make it into the games.

Here are pages with acceptable cultures to pull from:

https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Civilizations_(Civ5)
https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Civilizations_(Civ6)

To sum up, to begin, we need:

>A species (Generally anything found in fantasy will do, provided they are biological in nature; no golems, or mechanical beings, or living crystals or what have you)
>A culture (not one from the posted list above)

Please, discuss and vote.

>>5468995
>Ant people
>Ancient Greek
Myrmidon time

>>5469003
I'm afraid Greek's already been taken by another civilization, so it's off the table.

>>5468995
>Roman
>Half Elves

>>5468995
Hmm interesting premise. As for choice of culture, maybe an eastern european one like polish czech or hungarian? Or should we go further back in time with classics like roman or carthaginian? Actually im surprised roman hasn't already been taken, makes me want to choose it even if it's so "cliche".

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>>5469006
I confused the list of what would be available instead of the other way around
French Frogs then

>>5469014
A vote for Roman, then.
>>5469015
I was a bit surprised myself; Roman seems like a pretty common go-to, but perhaps that's why nobody selected it.
>>5469019
A vote for French Frogs/bullywugs.

I'll give a little more time for suggestions and discussion, but so far that's two for Roman, one for Roman Half-Elves, and one for French Bullywugs.

>>5468995
The more I think about the weirder it gets to imagine non-humans having these cultures. Humanity is too intrinsic to them in my monkey brain.

Anyway, I'll vote for
>Roman
>Human
It sounds so cliche that it's funny. Although maybe, to make it even more ridiculous, they could be something lile hyper humans. Where every man is herculean and every woman is amazonian. Like the average male is an inbetween of a normal guy and a space marine. Does that make sense?

>>5469048
>Like the average male is an inbetween of a normal guy and a space marine. Does that make sense?
Based on what has happened with other cultures, and magic being a thing in this setting, I wouldn't rule it out as a possibility, but I don't think it would start off as such.

>>5469048
Romans, but they are fantasy barbarians? Call them Conans

I'm game for french frogs, that would be silly perkeks

>>5468995
>Giants
>Germanic

If I've read it right, we're up to:

Two votes for Roman Humans/Half-Elves
Two for French Frogs/Bullywugs
One for Germanic Giants

>>5469049
I dunno what the exact restrictions are so im just spitballing, don't think my suggestion is too far out but the space marine comparison might have scared you right?

>>5469052
Something like that though don't take that to mean they're stupid.

>>5469067
>but the space marine comparison might have scared you right?
Not nearly as much as what some of the other players are planning with their civs long-term.
>don't take that to mean they're stupid.
Conan is incredibly intelligent; scholars of his age marvel at this surprising level of intellect. But that's neither here nor there.

I'll give it some more time for votes/discussion.

>>5469063
Fuck it

I vote for
>Roman
>Goblins

>>5469014
>>5469048
>>5469104
Well, three for Roman, I'll go ahead and call it, Roman it is.

But what species?

>Human
>Half-Elf
>Goblin
>Other

>>5469107
>Half-Elf

>>5469107
You already know my vote.

"You see, aliens can never be as good as humankind"
"A more delightful race than us you'll never, ever find~"

>>5469107
>Half-Elf

Two half dead tribes met eachother and decided to say "fuck it"

>>5469107
>Human
Mankind rules! Whoop Whoop!

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>>5469114
>>5469118
Two for Half-Elf.
>>5469116
>>5469122
And two for human.

I don't know if it will affect the decision, but there are already two human civilizations---the Japanese and Sumerian players are both human.

Might I also recommend a species that is generally accepted as being descended from humans and elves---such as the Bretons, from the Elder Scrolls?

>>5469107
>>Half-Elf

>>5469131
I mean... In that case there's no need to call the Bretons a different race from Half-elf

So yeah, in that case my vote goes for half-elf/Bretons

>>5469131
That picture does not inspire confidence in me but the knife ear lovers have my choice outvoted so no matter.

>>5469114
>>5469118
>>5469133
>>5469137
Half-elves it is, and Roman will be our cultural basis.

Now, for our randomly-generated starting location on our World Map.

I need a roll of 1d100.

Rolled 56 (1d100)

>>5469141
Here

>>5469139
Tbh that pic looks like some VTM vampire art

Rolled 20 (1d100)

>>5469141

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>>5469052

>>5469139
I voted for Half-elf because some of the roman founding myths are how they are foreigners mixed with locals, so half-elf kind of fits.

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>>5469143
>>5469146
Alright folks, here's our starter region on the world.

We must now select a Hex that our first settlement finds itself in.

A quick key:

>Blue: Water
>Green: Forest
>Tan: Plains
>Black: Swamp
>Brown: Hills
>Red: Mountains

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>>5469154
X marks the spot

>>5469157
Good spot. Supporting

>>5469154
I'm between the Hex with the Swamp, Forest and Sea on it, just going for full Green Hex, or one of the Swamp hex with the river

What do you anons think? Or maybe go for some of the plain or even the Hill hex in the middle of the Forest

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>>5469154
Mountains, plains, forest, and a nice glacial (?) trade-river tuns through it down to the sea!

>>5469157
Damn, I like it. Support

>>5469160
I went for that spot because it seems defensible, being in a forest with a swamp to the direction to the sea, and the direction to the plains is shielded by a lake.
Also, we could access to to all the three rivers by going upstream and the sea by going downstream through the swamp.

>>5469157
>>5469159
>>5469163
Very well, three votes. Shall we place our settlement on the northern (forest) or southern (plains) side of the lake?

>>5469154
This one >>5469157
I like it as a starting location.

>>5469169
Northern, because of what I said here
>>5469167

>>5469167
>Also, we could access to to all the three rivers by going upstream and the sea by going downstream through the swamp.
I think we should expand to the swamp later, between that and the rest of the rivers there's plenty or routes for trading and stuff

>>5469169
Northern.

>>5469169
Forest

>>5469169
Northren side of the lake

>>5469177
That river mouth in the swamp does seem a good place to make a port.
We also should expand to the plains to get some farming, maybe that spot where the tributary meets the main river.

>>5469169
>northern (forest)

>>5469186
You're hunter-gatherers. You don't get farming out of the gate.

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>>5469175
>>5469178
>>5469179
>>5469180
>>5469188
Very well then.

The origins of our people are not well known. Descended from two races, yet the nature of how these races came together in this world are unknown, a subject of oral tradition that has become lost over time. For a long time, several generations at least, our people have roamed; hunting and gathering. It is the only life we have known up until this point.

We have come to settle here, along the lake, shielded within the forest.

Our nomadic life, for the time being, has come to an end.

Of the following Tier 1 Technologies, we must select one to have at the start of the game:

>Stone Tools (Leads to Bladed Tools)
>Weaving (Leads to Clothing, and Fishing)
>Fire (Leads to Advanced Foraging, and Society)
>Abstract Art (Leads to Art, Music, and Society)
>Burial Rites (Leads to Society)

(A brief note on Technology: you will note that some of these techs lead to the same tech. Every tech must be acquired before the tech can be selected. In other words, Society can only be unlocked when Fire, Abstract Art and Burial Rites are themselves acquired.)

>>5469192
That's fine. We're planning ahead is all.

>>5469194
>Stone Tools (Leads to Bladed Tools)

bang rocks together

>>5469194
>Stone Tools (Leads to Bladed Tools)

>>5469194
How about Fire -> Weaving -> Fishing?
I think it's the best route for food.

>>5469194
>Stone Tools (Leads to Bladed Tools)

YO I've been waiting for one of these

>>5469194
>Weaving (Leads to Clothing, and Fishing)
If we're on a river then let's use it. After that we select Fire and we have another food source and advanced our foraging

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>>5469198
>>5469201
>>5469204
Stone Tools it is.

Our starting population is:

21 Children
24 Hunters
23 Gatherers
68 Total

With our starter location, starter tech, and starter population, it's now time to enter the 1st Age.

Three random events happen to our civilization each age (currently). As a reminder, I generate these completely randomly, using a generator of my own creation in excel.

As these events happen sequentially, we'll start with the first:

The very first thing that happens to our people is the appearance of a strange entity. A talking snake, very large and with red scales, makes its presence known to your people. It explains that it has led them to this place, the hex that is your home, and now that your people have arrived it has prepared the lands for you. The nearby lands have been cleared of monsters and other terrifying threats; all six hexes surrounding our own contain no dangers to our people.

When asked why, the serpent explains that it is part of its penance. With no greater context given, the snake vanishes without a trace.

Event 2:

We have the opportunity to form the early basis of a religion. A simple structure, for now, is all that is required. Early religions tend to center around the worship of simple concepts; the sky, the water, the earth, the stars, etc. Attribution of souls or spirits to inanimate objects, or animism, is common. Essentially, we're looking for: what we worship and how we worship it. It will start out simple and over time grow more complicated.

Event 3:

Divine favor brings about a miracle. In a turn of events likely related to the starting of our religion in the previous event, a divine source has blessed our people with a bountiful source of food in the form of bountiful fruits and vegetables which grow in this region: grapes and turnips, respectively.

What is our reaction to these three events? A player reaction is effectively a means to establish facts about our growing society with a reaction to the random events, and often only warrant a single line or so. In this instance, the first and third events don't require much of a player reaction; we simply reap the rewards they present. Events like the second event allow a more complex reaction which allow us to expand the foundational basis of our civilization.

>>5469237
I mean, looking at these three, it seems obvious we should begin a process of snake-worship, and prioritize gathering the bounty. I propose collecting as much fruit as possible and fighting off any interfering predators with our tools, then offering the flesh and blood of these predators to the snake-god in the form of a totem, or feeding smaller local serpents.

>>5469254
Does anyone have any objections to snake worship as an early religion?

>>5469254
+1

snake worship seems like a decent idea

>>5469254
>>5469283
Very well then, Snake worship it shall be.

With our reactions out of the way, we will now move onto the Player Action for the age. Player Actions allow for the players to do what they would like, within reason and technological limitations. For example, common actions are Explore, stockpile food, breed (for a population boost), attack, defend, build something, etc.

What will this first age's player action be?

>>5469321
>stockpile food
Sad Snake Dad gave us all this food. Let's gather it up!

Check out Cyclopes Civilization Quest for inspiration!
https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Cyclops%20quest

>>5469321
explore the hex to the right

>>5469321
>build something
The first snake temples.
It's probably just going to be a hut with a statue, but we got to start somewhere.

>>5469322
+1

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>>5469322
>>5469531

Very well, this age we stockpile food. Should a food crisis emerge next age, this will counter it, and it will bring with it a very slight population boost due to the excess we generate.

Nothing further significant happens this age. Many years pass, and with it comes a greater mastery of the land and new ideas to advance society.

What is our technology advancement choice at the end of this age?

Tier 1
>Weaving (Leads to Clothing, and Fishing)
>Fire (Leads to Advanced Foraging, and Society)
>Abstract Art (Leads to Art, Music, and Society)
>Burial Rites (Leads to Society)

Tier 2
>Bladed Tools (Leads to Mining, The Wheel, Weaponry, Architecture, Sailing, and Agriculture)

>>5469547
>Fire (Leads to Advanced Foraging, and Society)
Because winter is a thing.

>>5469547
>Fire (Leads to Advanced Foraging, and Society)
Can even tie this into our snake cult's rites and shit. Smoke rising does look like a slithering snake at times

>>5469547
>Fire (Leads to Advanced Foraging, and Society)

>>5469547
>Fire (Leads to Advanced Foraging, and Society)

>>5469547
>Weaving (Leads to Clothing, and Fishing)
Weren't we beelining for Fishing?

>>5469640
We can always spear fish until then. Or, ya know, huck large rocks into the water and grab water ever floats up

>>5469640
Fire is important to cook the food.
But I'm beelining to sailing, so Weaving, fishing, bladed tools next.

>>5469648
I'ma push for religion myself. The snake god must be honored

>>5469649
And I mean a more organized, codified religion than our current worship. Shamans or a priest caste and shit

>>5469653
Shit, dude, at least let us invent agriculture first to feed all these non-food-producers.

>>5469660
Let them eat cake. And children.

>>5469547
>Fire (Leads to Advanced Foraging, and Society)
I guess fire is the basis here :
- advanced cooking abilities,
- advanced crasfmanship
- helps in winter and darkness

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>>5469547
>Fire (Leads to Advanced Foraging, and Society)

>>5469649
>>5469653
Yep, can't discount the need for a powerful priest-king central authority; especially at this stage of development.

>>5469547
>Fire (Leads to Advanced Foraging, and Society)

>>5469547
>Fire (Leads to Advanced Foraging, and Society)

>>5469547
>Fire (Leads to Advanced Foraging, and Society)

We all follow the Path of the Red Snake, going through the river, riding his scales.

We all offer fire for it's Kin, because the Red Snake gave us a safe place to be.

We all attack from bellow the high grass, ever grandious and lethal, and only those that survive will taste the painful embrace of our venom

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>>5469561
>>5469564
>>5469569
>>5469591
>>5469680
>>5469712
>>5469715
>>5469804
>>5469808
Fire it is.

The age concludes with our people harnessing the power of fire, and integrating it with home, hunting and religious rites.

An age passes, and a new one begins.

Each age, our population increases based on a random roll of the die. Certain techs grant population boosts, like sustainable sources of food like Fishing or Agriculture. Other techs grant things like combat bonuses, culture boosts and so on.

Our population is now:

>127 Children
>53 Hunters
>48 Gatherers
>228 Total

Our random events for this age are as follows:

It is an age of terrible winter, a cold and lingering snow. It is fortunate that a combination of fire and stored food has saved our people.

1) This age, amidst the terrible snow and harsh conditions, a traveler appears to our people. He leads a group of half-elven people, and he himself is one of our kind. They claim to have been guided here by visions, much like your people were last age. Many have died on their journey, and they seek to join with your people. Their leader is tall and strong, a Heroic unit. Should you accept him and his retinue into your culture this age, he can accomplish a single significant feat of your choosing; as a Great Hero, he can do something along the lines of adventuring in a direction of your choosing, slaying a monster, securing a significant hold, or something else similarly heroic. Should he survive this age, a bloodline carrying his heroic traits will go forward.

2) At night, in the cosmos high above, twisting around the stars, a strange creature can be glimpsed, a serpentine figure of equal parts light and darkness, moving between the stars. It is infrequently seen, and its true length is impossible to determine.

3) During one such stargazing event, one of your people becomes possessed by a supernatural entity, possibly the same one seen above. With her eyes glowing white, she proclaims herself to be the Snake God, the one who coils around the stars themselves, and demands your worship. The Snake God has taken this female mortal's form to receive your adoration and tribute.

How do you react to these events?

A quick RIP to JDF the Green Ranger. May the power protect you, Tommy.

>>5469903
The traveler must breed with the avatar of the snake goddess. He must undergo a great quest to earn her favor

>>5469908
"Hey guys! A vision brought me her,e and I'm pretty strong, smart, and fast. I know you don't know me, but what can I do to earn me and my people the privilege of --"
"FUCK THIS SNAKE."
"...I'm sorry, what did you say? it sound like -- "
"STICK YOUR DICK IN THE SNIK, NOOOOW!"
Let's, uh... Not.

>>5469903
>Bow down to the Snake God
>Ask what she wants
>Have Hero Boy there go fetch it
I guess if what she wants IS for him to fuck her, uh, okay?

>>5469903
accept the hero into our ranks. perhaps ask them to explore the tiles beyond the snake protected tiles and slay any threats potentially out there.

also. ... im kinda sus on the woman. just a little . maybe ask for proof they are indeed the god who guided us here. (new blessing?) but if they prove we should indeed give them offerings. because the god who wr saw originally did not seem to have anything to do with the stars. why didnt they return in that form? (though might be intresting to have a whole snake pantheon)

>>5469912
+1

>>5469912
+1
Never change quest, never change.

>>5469903
1
>Accept the traveler and his people. Have him go on more vision quests to expand our faith.

2
>The people start debating among themselves if the Sky Serpent is the same Snake God that helped our people or another one.

3
>Plead to the Snake God to release the hold of the woman. Offer to create new forms so it can be worshiped. Ask questions to it, like why it was seeking penance and if it's complete

Just got to be sure it's the same one.

>>5469903

Supporting >>5469920

>>5469920
this is getting my support since its somewhat like my suggestion on figuring out if same god

(still wanna send the hero out to explore unprotected tiles though

>>5469929
It's what I thought the expand the faith would be.
Either exploring more hexes, or becoming a sort of Priest-King.

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>>5469903

Accept the Hero, as it was the will of Providence that he should arrive.

Seek the counsel of this Star Serpent which has mounted one of our own. This may yet intertwine with the fate of our wayward hero.

Wait, could the hero unit be powerful enough to successfully question the snake possession and discover what it is?
Because the snake god is the one that lead our people here, if he was having visions, than he was also chosen.
Besides, the snake god wasn't demanding worship and tribute before, we started doing it out of gratitude. Why would it be doing it now? And it did it in his physical form, why it's possessing someone now?

If it's a different snake deity, I'm ok with forming a pantheon though. But the Red Snake will always be the one above the others, and the Star Serpent will be know as a trickster for what it tried to do.

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>>5469912
>>5469917
>>5469918
>>5469920
>>5469923
>>5469929
We'll start with the Great Hero, going on a vision quest in a direction of our choosing. Refer to our map here: >>5469157
Which direction will he travel?

As for the possessed woman, the Snake God possessing her claims that it is the one responsible for bestowing your people with bountiful food in the past, and is offended at the line of questioning in regards to its authenticity. In response, it immediately kills a nearby gatherer with a baleful gaze, turning that poor villager to stone on the spot, which then crumbles to dust.

Once again the Snake God asserts itself, claiming that all that is good that has happened to your people is because of it, and demands both loyalty and tribute. It claims your people should be thankful for its benevolence. While many immediately bow out of fear, some of your people hold doubts that this is the same entity encountered in the first age...

>>5469957
Let's explore NE

>>5469957
Ok, it's denifately not the the same god, or whatever penance it did it went back to being evil immediately afterwards.
Have our people pray in secret for the real Snake God to save us. Hope that the hero can become strong enough to kill the evil Star Serpent.
Have him downstream towards the swamp. We need to make sure the river is safe.

>>5469964
+1

Either it's another Snake Deity that it's a trickster like >>5469942 said, or some demon/evil spirit that saw us from afar an decided yo take control earlier before things spiral out of it's control with the Arrival of our Hero

>>5469903
Supporting >>5469920

Cool quest OP. Where did you get all your tables from? Did you make them yourself?

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>>5469964
>>5469975
The hero departs, leaving his people with ours, heading northwest and downstream towards the swamp.

The first land he passes through contains bountiful groves of trees which bear sweet fruit---nectarines.

To the north of that, upon entering the murky swamp, he passes vast natural deposits of gold, as well as discovering abundant plants upon which large bell peppers grow.

And finally, having followed the river north to the sea, at the mouth of the river feeding into the vast ocean to the north, there are herds of large six-legged insects. These arthropods seem to display a kind of herd mentality, and seem docile and even-tempered, moving in familial groups across the land.

Pausing at the sea, the traveler is concerned. He has traveled for many days now, and had hoped to receive another vision. He resolves to wait until one comes to him.

As fate would have it, a vision does indeed come, but not one of what will be, which is what led him and his people to our lands, but rather one of what once was. Long ago, there were many snakes, an empire of them that stretched across the land. Many races were dominated under their cruel and dispassionate and immortal serpentine masters. Forced to work, or fight, or entertain their snake masters, the serpents reached a level of decadence and arrogance that angered a mighty primordial force.

Their civilization was wiped away; the entire world cleansed of their filth, and the worst of them locked away. So great was the cleansing that even all memory of their empire---its name, its holdings, its history---all gone in a brilliant blaze of white light, leaving the land once again wild, rife for the former servants of this snake empire to reclaim what was once theirs.

The vision ends, and the traveler reflects upon what he has learned before following the river south and returning. He spreads word of his vision. However, when it reaches the ear of the possessed woman, she demands his capture; she declares the story to be false and heresy and intends to make an example of him.

Your people are divided. The half that follow the Snake God out of fear begin to clash with the half that have come to believe the story of the traveler's vision and that this entity is not the one from the first age. In the chaos and confusion of the melee, just as the Snake God is about to strike down the traveler, someone runs up from behind with a rock and bashes the possessed woman in the back of the head.

The snake god, denied its corporeal vessel, rises back into the sky in a long, coiling spectral display, claiming that it shall return.

The traveler checks the woman, discovering that although the blow was severe, she was merely knocked unconscious and, once awakened, is back to her normal self. He nurses her back to health and in time takes her as his mate, producing two children; a daughter, followed by a son.

For the remainder of this age, the false trickster snake god does not bother your people.

>>5470009
We need to establish an Inquisition.
No more false gods.

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>>5470009

That resolves the Great Hero's free action for the age. What shall our player action for this age be? As a reminder, a player action is anything we wish to accomplish within reason and technological limitation, as described in >>5469321

>>5470000
All tables used in this quest are of my design. Some quick background; back in 2014 I tried to get Untamed off the ground, but it wasn't quite ready, and the project fell through. After revisiting it with a new format, new tables and redesigning several aspects of what came before, building off of it and improving it, it has so far been a rousing success. Fifteen people have controlled their civilizations up to Age 10, which is where we'll get up to in this thread.

Each age, I generate three or more random events from a list that (so far) has 684 entries, which are designed to give me brief context about what the event concerns. I then roll a few dice to narrow down specifics. Here's a glimpse at some of those random events.

Death to the false god. Death to the Star Serpent the only true god is the Red Serpent!

>>5470024
>Player action
Let's expand into the lands explored by the hero.

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>>5470024
>>5470000
In addition to that, the main page of my generator is basically a bunch of buttons on a spreadsheet that I can click which randomizes a bunch of lists I've created, using things from various sources; D&D, vidya, novels, etc.

Here, you can see the three random events I generated for this age right here, along with several other random lists. There is more to the bottom of this, much more in fact, and I also keep track of the current stats of each player civilization on it, but that's confidential information.

Anyway, back to the game, still need that Player Action for this age: >>5470024

>>5470032
This is neat!

>>5470024
Damn Anon, that's great! Would it be possible that by the end of this Thread (when we reach Age 10) You could share the tables and stuff? If it won't give us some kind of spoiler.

I really like this kind of Civ Quests, and I wanted to make a Game for my group with a system like that, but I don't find a system that catch my attention (except for Reign, but it's not 100% Civ building system).

Also >>5470031
+1

In the Next Age, I say we could try and tap into magical stuff. Maybe the possesed Girl has some Magical fingerprint of the Star Snake that we could use for some Magical Inquisition.

>>5470036
>Damn Anon, that's great! Would it be possible that by the end of this Thread (when we reach Age 10) You could share the tables and stuff? If it won't give us some kind of spoiler.
In the long run, I do plan on sharing what I tentatively refer to as the Untamed System, which I'd like to develop into a proper game/RPG. I'm constantly adding onto it, but I'm the kind of guy who rarely thinks anything he starts is ever "done". I'm always looking for inspiration for new events, or other random lists I can add onto it, ways to refine it, etc. but I do feel that it isn't quite ready as of yet. This game, this civilization (along with all of the other player's) is the first trial run of my newly refined system (Untamed 22, if I had to differentiate it from my earlier attempt at Untamed 14). The end result will be a world built from the ground up with a complete and total history, almost like a D&D setting that stories/quests could be run in. I would share the world map, but I haven't allowed anyone to see the total world beyond each civ's starting area.

>>5470031
>>5470036
So, basically establishing a range of our people moving from our hex to the sea, following the river up and down to and from home, to hunt and gather? Am I reading that correctly?

Because currently our population is too small to split into another settlement, which historically I have restricted until Society is unlocked.

>>5470024
>player action

A society shaken by such supernatural events falls back on itself. The peoples of the land coalesce around the Hero and his vision quests.

Considering this is what, Roman half-elves? I see this a prime time to coalesce around a Romulus figure. Better still that he's got elements of Viracocha going on.

>>5470052
Yeah, why not? If things looks that are safe up there we could use some of those bell pepper, hunt those bugs and maybe even in a future we could domesticate them

>>5470024
Let's build a commemorative snake temple.

During this age our people met the deceiver snake, and i guess the whole schism made everything unclear. I think it would be important for the memory and the birth of the cult to have a place where the story about the snakes is set to the stone.

So in a future age, when the deceiver comes back from the stars, our people would be able to see through its lies.

Also we already talked about having a formal religion.

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>>5470063
>>5470036
>>5470031
Very well then, our people will follow the path the hero laid out and cleared along the river to the sea, and for ages will hunt and gather along that line.

What is our choice of technology at the end of this age?

Tier 1
>Weaving (Leads to Clothing, and Fishing) (Protection Boost)
>Abstract Art (Leads to Art, Music, and Society) (Culture Boost)
>Burial Rites (Leads to Society) (Culture Boost)

Tier 2
>Bladed Tools (Leads to Mining, The Wheel, Weaponry, Architecture, Sailing, and Agriculture) (Combat Boost)
>Advanced Foraging (Leads to Pathfinding, and Early Medicine) (Food Boost)

>>5470086
>Weaving (Leads to Clothing, and Fishing) (Protection Boost)
Now we have access to a River and sea, we will take a huge advantage from this plus the Protection Boost

>>5470021
>>5470028
>>5470064
Scarlet Snake = Penitent, Protective, Paternal = Good
Star Serpent = Liar, Murderer, Thief = Evil
This is the Twin Coiled Faith
>>5470086
>Weaving (Leads to Clothing, and Fishing) (Protection Boost)
Do we aim for sailing or society?

>>5470086
Burial Rites

I want society soon so we can have Roman Basket Weaving forums

>>5470086
>Abstract Art (Leads to Art, Music, and Society) (Culture Boost)
We have to make art to commemorate this, so our descendants never forget and, in their ignorance, fall prey to the Star Serpent's tricks.

>>5470129
+1

also id say society

How about we go for fishing after this, since we are moving to the coast and swamp, and then we focus on society?
Then we can either go for domestication to make use of the herding bugs, or balded tools to either get sailing or weapons.

>>5470129
+1

>>5470086
I've enjoyed reading the tale that has transpired after my departure. Now we have an interesting good and evil dychotomy between two divinities with this new Adversary figure.

>>5470129
Can we only record this myth through oral tradition or can we use writing? If we can't use writing then we better have a very specific story that can be memorized so as to be better preserved for when we eventually unlock better methods of recording information.

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>>5470349
It goes Abstract Art > Art > Proto-Writing > Writing
Until then, oral tradition

>>5470089
>>5470129
>>5470270
>>5470308

Weaving it shall be. An age passes, and as our people traverse the river from the lake to the sea they gather reeds and vines and weave them into baskets and clothing to aid in carrying our forage and protecting against the weather.

We proceed onto the 3rd Age.

>...

Our population as of the 3rd Age:

203 Children
94 Hunters
77 Gatherers

Our random events for this age are as follows:

1) A great meteor streaks across the night sky. This is no mere pretty light show however; it crash lands somewhere northwest, west of the river we have ranged upon. A great fireball and an earth-shattering quake follows, but harms no one; everyone is roused in the night and hears the tale of those who were awake to see it happen.

2) This age, a focus on hunting over gathering brings about a boost to the population of your hunters occurs, bringing the total from 85 to 94; this is already reflected above.

3) This age, we have the opportunity to lay down some foundational laws for our society. This can relate to early governance, such as how leaders are chosen or earn their position, or can relate to the punishment of crime, or something else. What laws do our people lay down in this age? They will be passed down orally, as we currently lack a form of writing.

What are your reactions to these events?

>>5470364
>203 Children
>94 Hunters
>77 Gatherers
Forgot: 374 total.

>>5470349
> Now we have an interesting good and evil dychotomy between two divinities with this new Adversary figure.

So snake Zoroastrianism ?

>>5470364
1
We must explore n the direction of the meteor. It came from the night sky, there is a risk it is a servant of the Star Serpent
3
There must be warrior-priests, protectors of both the soul and body of our people. They will go through vision quests to understand the journey of our people and the heroes.

>>5470364
investigate meteor maybe figure out a use for some of the minerals (may be an easy way to jumpstart our civ)

not sure what i wanna do about law though too tired so ill let other anons figure it out desu

(id say something to do with leadership though

>>5470364
Leaders are elected by popular vote to form a council.

>>5470375
+1

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>>5470367
Something like that.

>>5470375
This sounds like the right direction, the vision quests are weird but they basis on the history of our people. I'd like to create the conditions for the begginning of a martial society, I'll think on interesting suggestions in service of that goal.

>>5470388
>popular vote
pic related

>>5470401
Dont worry, give it a few ages and the Elders are gonna turn it into an Oligarchy intill they get overturned by a dictator

>>5470378
Support, We must investigate the meteor but bear in mind it might not just be us going there so we must be prepared to fight.

3) Should one commit a crime to the tribe they must endure years of servitude, the length of servitude is based on how grave their crimes are.
Can't have the senile lead our people so there must be an age cut off for leadership so the mind of the leader is always sharp and ready

>>5470388
shit way of picking a leader at this time, but nice way to decide whether or not a person is a criminal though

>>5470401
The vision quests idea is because of our people's history, but also becuase this style of mixing lore, civilization building and character development reminded me of King of Dragon Pass and Heroquest

>popular vote
To be fair, we are romans, and they did have the republic after the kingdom and before the empire.

>>5470404
That doesn't make it any better.

>>5470405
I think this should only apply for things like theft or an alternative punishment for things like assault. For murder or rape or any of the heavier stuff it should be a ceremonial execution.

>>5470408
>King of Dragon Pass and Heroquest
I looked them up and damn that's some old shool stuff, no wonder I never heard of them.

And yeah we're the romans but popular vote is not necessarily a requirement for representative government, though I don't think too highly of that either.

>>5470375
I think I know what I'd like to add. A direct descendant of the great hero should be made king of our people, with a warror-priest council to rule alongside him. Distribution of power and duties pending.

>>5470421
How about
>We have a day dedicated to sentencing criminals and have the whole community decide on what the punishment should be for that person via popular vote
or if we're going with the warrior priest council idea
>Have the warrior priest council vote on how a person will be sentenced

either way we should have a person whose whole job is to remember what the previous decisions/punishments or something so we don't have to come up with new punishments per each new crime.

>>5470443
>We have a day dedicated to sentencing criminals and have the whole community decide on what the punishment should be for that person via popular vote
Why would we wait for a specific day to sentence a criminal? They should be sentenced as they come up.

>Have the warrior priest council vote on how a person will be sentenced
A better idea, maybe the king could be the tie-breaker.

>either way we should have a person whose whole job is to remember what the previous decisions/punishments or something so we don't have to come up with new punishments per each new crime.
A member of the council, with the title of Justiciar?

>>5470462
yeah the popular vote for all people was kinda bad so new idea

>the council and the king decides on the punishment of the criminal
>There is a member of the council with the title of justiciar meant to record all the previous decisions of the council regarding the punishments of criminals.

>>5470364
>Seek out the meteor
>Send people on vision-quests and, if they come back with useful wisdom, appoint them Justicar
>If someone commits a crime, send them on a LONGER vision quest to somewhere dangerous or unknown; if they return, they must submit to the Justicar for final judgement, resulting in death, exile, or atonement and forgiveness

>>5470421
>that's some old shool stuff
The game got a spiritual sucessor with Six Ages: Ride Like The Wind too, and Heroquest got some new editions
But yeah, Glorantha is a bit under the radar. Which is a shame, Sword and Sorcery is a cool genre.

>>5469547
>Fire (Leads to Advanced Foraging, and Society)

I think we should skip advanced foraging, everything else is worth picking up to have a fleshed out people though.

>>5470576
How the fuck am I so far behind? Did I just suffer a small bout of memory loss or something? WHY IS IT NIGHTTIME?!

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>>5470375
>>5470390
>>5470401
>>5470378
>>5470405
>>5470476

Alright, so I'm getting a combination of searching out the meteor, and developing some manner of vision-questing-warrior-priest-justicars, but we'll deal with the meteor first.

A party led by the secondborn child of the traveler hero from the first age (the son) sets out northwest, crossing the river into lands your people have never ventured.

Thankfully, west of the river is a land claimed only by wild growths of barley. Your people move on.

Your people come upon the meteor. It is truly massive, having made both a gigantic impact and trail. Its eventual resting place is discovered by following the trail, and a massive mishapen red-hot rock is discovered, still smoking, with glowing orange bits seen between the cracks.

However, as your people advance, nervously edging closer and closer, a strange cracking sound is heard and the rock begins to move. It is discovered that this is no rock, but some manner of creature! It begins to uncurl itself, revealing a pair of wings that obsidian glass fall off of as they break off of their flaming surfaces while the winds unfurl and stretch. A massive tail uncoils from being wrapped around the body, crested with glowing spikes. Four limbs and a long, serpentine neck follow, terminating in a terrifying head of lava-like rock.

This primordial creature, finding itself upon this world from another time and place after hurtling through the heavens from unknown origins, lets out a massive roar, belching a torrent of flame that rains down upon the land, setting fire to the forest and melting anyone it touches. Your people run and hide as this winged fiery terror's eyes open, beacons of orange light within a black skull. Its chest burns hotter than any fire that man could conjure, its heart a forge that could melt the world.

It is no natural beast, and certainly not one of this world, for upon exposure to this environment it undergoes a rapid change. Perhaps this is part of some manner of magical lifecycle for these creatures, or perhaps this was merely the means to deliver something to this world from an elemental realm, but the dragon begins to shift its appearance, breaking apart, as though the very world itself is killing it; breathing our air is poisonous to it. The body of this massive monstrosity loses its fire and begins to crumble to ash, and from within this mountain of ash is uncovered two objects: eggs. They do not burn, but are very warm to the touch. Each egg is nearly the size of a man.

What do our people do?

>>5470633
>Pray on it
>If no answer comes, smash them
>if they can't be smashed, cast them into the sea

>>5470633
>Use them as permanent heating fixtures in buildings/places of importance/religious significance.

I guess I'll just pick up my day here then...or night rather.

>>5470641
+1 but remove the smashing part, just cast them into the sea if no answer comes.

>>5470666
+1 to devil trips

>>5470633
Into the sea they go, we can't risk two more such creatures emerging.

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>>5470641
>>5470666
>>5470729
>>5470749

Very well then, we shall cast them into the sea, rolling them to the river. Thankfully, they do not hatch on the way there, and once pushed north, are shoved from a small peak into the water. There is a great splash and the two eggs sink, where they remain... for now. Who is to say what the future holds?

As for the earlier point, we shall create a small group of warrior-priests, who engage in vision quests and seek to protect our people both physically and spiritually. Of those initially selected, sixteen pass the first trials and become our first group of warrior-priests, of which both children of the traveler from the second age belong to.

We may now specify our player action for the age.

As a reminder, here is our current region map.

>>5469194
How did you make this chart? I need an org chart where multiple lower level items can connect to the same higher level ones

Thanks

>>5470406
Many if not most early societies with small numbers of people organized themselves democratically. At that level every government tends to be democratic in practice anyway because of a majority of the people don't agree with the leadership they can just not follow it.

>>5470850
Build some sort of temple to the Scarlet Snake. It's probably going to be very primitive, but we take what we can get, a place that the Warrior-Priests-Justicars (Can we just call them Pontifex?) can pass judgement and the people gather to listen to the stories, a reminder of the Star Serpent evil deeds.
The meteor creature fell from the night sky, and then immediately began destroying it's surroundings, with a serpentine neck. Our people should believe that dragons are evil beings related to the Star Serpent.

>>5470850
If a true vision quest was give to the traveler at the sea, we must travel to the same shore and gain our own vision quest. While they pray and fast to the Snek, they build a shine on the coast and consecrate these ‘herd bugs’ a holy animal, for their home is clearly holy.

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>>5470850
>into the sea they go
Oh no, no, no, no, no........ Oh well, too late now.

The people have need of the law, for none other will make them flourish. Democracy will lead to naught but squander and ruin.

We should make central the role of the Pontifex/Warrior Flamen order in this society. As oral tradition is fallible, the capable must be central to passing on the knowledge of the Serpents, of the Dragon of the Fallen Star, and of the clutch of spawn cast away, hopefully to never return.

We should construct an oracular hall of the learned ones. A temple to the knowledge of the people. In veneration, not worship of the tradition and the wisdom.

>>5470902
Don’t worry, I have a plan for those eggs. We just have to wait a bit…

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>>5470857
>How did you make this chart? I need an org chart where multiple lower level items can connect to the same higher level ones
For a few years now I've been making use of a program called Realm Works, a worldbuilding program that allows one to keep track of as many details about a world as they like; characters, locations, items, plots, concepts, gameplay mechanics, etc.
Here's a picture of another world of mine, from a different project, unrelated to Untamed, that I use Realm Works for. (It's a MtG lore thing I do)
It also has a storyboard section, which is the specific thing I use for each civ's technology and bloodline flowcharts.
Here's a link: https://www.wolflair.com/realmworks/

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I found an image of depiction of a bronze age roman village

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Here's another.
For some reason I can only find tiny images.

>>5470850
A heretic spurned by the tribe goes off in search of the dragon eggs

>>5470870
+1

>>5470915
>Bronze Age Rome
Not only was Rome founded in the Iron Age, even evidence of pre-Roman Bronze Age settlements at its location is "conspicuously absent".
You picture seems to be of Archaic Period Greece.

>>5470925
Nah senpai, we need to wait for domestication. Waiting would also allow the population and the myth of the Star Eggs to grow. I’ve got a plan, if anons are willing to entertain it.

>>5470930
It's actually etruscans (proto-villanoviana to be exact) and the latial culture, but it's the closest to pre-iron age romans we could get to have inspiration.

>>5470935
I personally can't wait until we tame the big bugs, ride them like ashlanders

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The latial culture were probably the real version of the mythological Alba Longa.
Also they had a tradition of making hut urns, so we atleast know how they looked like.
Originally I was going to post the reconstruction in Fidenae, but all the images are tiny.

>>5470956
Same, it’s gonna be rad. My plan there is to make them holy steeds for our elite Pontifex or whatever we eventually call them, along with labor bugs and hopefully honey(dew?) producing cattle.

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>>5470958
Huh, it seems the hut is actually from the Iron-age.
Still, it matches the look of the bronze age urn

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And here's another, I already wasted too much time searching for these huts.

>>5470959
YES! And if we're lucky, they produce silk of a kind as well. But that's probably a pipe dream. Though there might be another breed that could.

>>5470930
Yeah, my mistake, the Latial culture, and the Latium speaking people themselves are Iron Age, but the proto-villanoviana are bronze. So it's more Etruscans and Italiotes than actual Romans.

>>5470963
I bet they do produce silk (or some breeds will), it’s gonna be neat!

>>5470968
We should come up with a bullshit explanation of silk to sell to outsiders so we can maintain a monopoly on it.

>>5470972
it is actually tiny worms that produces the silk!

>>5470976
And the worms turn into moths, so you can't even hoard them!

>>5470972
Call it holy, say it comes from tiny snake children.

>>5470976
Genius!

>>5470976
>>5470979
Yes, and they die very easily, sometimes rotting in their cocoons, ruining the harvest and can only eat one plants leaf

>>5470981
And the leaves are from fruit and berry trees, so if you grow silk you have to give up food.
>>5470967
Also, that image seem to be from the villanoviana people, not the proto, meaning it's an iron age village and not a bronze age one.

>>5470990
Well, the huts themselves probably didn't change too much.

>>5470870
Supporting this.

>>5470850

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>>5470870
>>5470927
>>5471113
>>5470875
>>5470902

Very well, a temple (albeit right now a simple one) will be constructed, dedicated to the Red Serpent (or Scarlet Snake, or Scarlet Serpent, etc.), where the Warrior-Priests will preside over congregations, mettle out justice, hold meetings and set out from/return to on their vision quests.

Let's talk about Tech, shall we?

Tier 1
>Abstract Art (Leads to Art, Music, and Society) (Culture Boost)
>Burial Rites (Leads to Society) (Culture Boost)

Tier 2
>Bladed Tools (Leads to Mining, The Wheel, Weaponry, Architecture, Sailing, and Agriculture) (Combat/Production Boost)
>Advanced Foraging (Leads to Pathfinding, and Early Medicine) (Food Boost)
>Fishing (Leads to Sailing) (Food Boost)
>Clothing (Leads to Architecture) (Cultural/Protection Boost)

>>5471140
>Fishing (Leads to Sailing) (Food Boost)
I want to get fishing, so we can focus solely on society.
Then bladed tools and clothing for architecture and sailing.

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>>5471140
>>Fishing (Leads to Sailing) (Food Boost)
Definitely, given the village's location upon the estuary. Food is still key right now, and this furthers the route to sailing also, which will be paramount.

>>5471144
I support this route, then shift focus back to society.

>>5471140
>Fishing (Leads to Sailing) (Food Boost)

>>5471144
After society, we can go for domestication or agriculture too, instead of architecture or sailing. Or weaponry, depending on how dangerous things might get
But Bladed tools are important for most of them.

>>5471140
>Abstract Art (Leads to Art, Music, and Society) (Culture Boost)
Need society and writing to record our judgements and dire warnings about the Star Serpent and cursed dragon eggs we plopped in the river.

>>5471140
>Fishing (Leads to Sailing) (Food Boost)

>>5471161
Australian Aborigines had amazingly precise oral history (corroborated by geology) about a 50000-old event, so we can get by for a bit more.

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>>5471167
And they also stopped expressing the knowledge of building seafaring craft which had originally brought them across the Timor Sea. And they were still clubbing each other and 'roos to death when Europeans showed up, literally 50 millennia later. Time well spent, clearly.

>>5471173
They just wanted to return to monke

>>5471176
And desu I can't blame them. It would've been amazing.

>>5471173
>Me: oral history can be really accurate, so no need to go into Abstract Art right now
>You: but Aborigines are dumb!!11

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>>5471140
Red Serpent (or Scarlet Snake, or Scarlet Serpent)
Praise the Rubrum Serpens Optimi Maximi and beware the Sidereum Hydra. I probably mangled the latim, I just used google translated

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>>5471187
Also, apparently there was a snake god on later Rome, but it was an imported, and minor one.

>>5471192
Since there's no proper snake god in Rome, I propose we base our own on Chinese Nuwa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCwa)

>>5471183
My point was being an unlettered peoples yielded them absolutely no advancement, in fact dragged them down through the ages and eventually was their undoing at the hands of the lettered peoples of the earth.

>>5471201
Point to where I said we shouldn't invent writing at all ever.

>>5471199
Mix her with Fuxi into only one god.

>>5471220
This works.

>>5471144
>>5471160
Just had an idea for a plan.
Fishing -> Abstract art -> Burial Rites -> Society -> Bladed Tools -> Agriculture -> Domestication -> Clothing - > Weaponry -> Art -> Architecture

>>5471234
Honestly I like that. The tiles around our village are safe, and up to the Swamp there isn't no inmediate threat. So unless we're unlucky with the random events and there's a important enemy that wants to fuck us over, there should be no need for weapons yet. Unless we really wanna go for the true roman route and start going for the Smith and Weapons techbologies fast

>>5471167
>>5471183
I recognize your point, but written records tend to be more accurate across world civilizations, and also art is kino, so I'd still like to spec into it personally.

Plus, our demi-elves are Roman-based, not Aborigine-based.

Though goddamn, that would have been kind of neat

Appreciate your patience, it's just Monday so the work week has begun.

For those of you interested, the project's discord link is here: https://discord.gg/xeYq6mJ9TB

Each other civ has a player controlling it, and they're all in here. They have access to a player's only chat, as well as one for their individual civilization. People in this thread who wish to join will get alerts as to when an age has ended and a new one will begin (once this thread catches up to Age 10, I'll be making a new thread for this civ on /qst/.)

No obligation on any anon to join, I'll be making the threads regardless, but if you wanted to discuss the game with the other players, perhaps hear some stories about the crazy things that have happened to other civs, the general chat is for you.

>>5471256
Imagine if we made them Polynesean or Maori.
>>5470850
Anons, I just had a thought. I thinknour people would consider both our original home hex and the ocean swamp hex to be holy sites. Now, what connects both of them? That river that comes from the lake. I think we should considered it a sacred river, and it's even snake-like.
Also, I think we should call it the Viper river, because it's close to Tiber while also being snake themed.

>>5471327
Hey, that was MY idea anon. >>5469808

Jk, now really I like the idea, but still the Snakes bring a bunch of conflict with the histories of the past and the present. They we're dictators until they recieve Divine Retribution (or maybe there's something even more ancient that this Breed of Snake Dictators, even maybe out of our Gods of this Realm), and the fact that we worship a Snake God even tho we know their origin and stuff, brings a lot of Moral and Phylosofical (idk how it writes, i'm a ESL), like for example: We hate the Deciever and Trickters Snakes, the ones that we're tyrants in the Past but we worship one that we found in our Village, Do we forgive people for their errors and let them seek redemption? Do we worship the correct Idol? What are the stance of other civilization if there's any that now about the Tyrant Snakes and how are they going to view us? We're absolutely against the Sky Snake, but what about the others that are still in this world? Why the Sky Snake isn't doing things like the Red Snake for his past actions and what is the morality of the other Snakes? In which other way does these Snakes could manifest and present themselves in the world?

>>5471140
>Abstract Art (Leads to Art, Music, and Society) (Culture Boost)
Focus on society.

>>5471365
I think we can consider the Red Snake a good one because he is a redeemed one, since he went on a penance.
>>5470129
Our warrior-priests judge people, I think the idea of not only forgiveness, but having to go on a quest our do deeds to prove it should be part of it.
>>5470476
Kind of like this anon said
Maybe we will eventually get fanatics or flagellants.

The Star Serpent, and any other of their kind, that refuse to admit their mistakes are evil. Specially if they try to taint the works of those that are like the Red Snake. I also like to consider the meteor dragons to be servants of the SS.

>>5471365
I’m honestly hoping to bring the Star Sneak back, but this time have our society accept him as a Loki tier trickster god (instead of old Satan) with old crimson snake being our Thor, and have this be our Romulus and Remus myth.

>>5471371
>I also like to consider the meteor dragons to be servants of the SS.
That's something that has me worried. I don't think is a Servant, by the description they might be an entire different stuff like an Elemental, and I believe that because the only Powers the Sky Snake showed were Possesion and like a Medusa's Stare. If he could make a Elemental Dragon like that, he could just make a smaller servant and instantly use that Strenght instead of killing with the Stare. But, maybe he didn't because that needs time and power to do, something that by this moment we won't know, unless we dwelve into that.

And from how I see our civ is going, I have some heavy Targon vibes. If we really grab onto "Astral Magic" if something like that exist, we could use the river and in a future make a city in the Mountain at the left side of our village, following the river.

>>5471380
Oh, I don't think they are really servants, only that it's something our people would connect in their religion to explain it. Let's hope that is the case, right?

Alright, back home and writing an update now.

>>5471385
R-Right...

Honestly I wanted to vote for us to bring those eggs to home, but after seen the How To Train Your Dragon and how those dragons hatch, I was worried that it was going to turn into a huge inferno when they came out. But for the moment, i'm still wondering what >>5470908 plan is

>>5470908
Honestly I think that's hard considering how our first meeting went. Of we somehow find him again there will be a fight, and if we came on top and he pays for his past sins, maybe then he could be integrated. But for the moment he's going to be Ye Olde Satan

>>5471396
It isn’t necessarily about integrating the Star Snake himself per se, just not making the Celestial the root of all evil, Eden Snake style. Would you like to hear the plan, or prefer me to wait until the time is right?

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>>5471144
>>5471148
>>5471164
>>5471158

Over the course of our age, with a slowly-expanding spiritual and organizational basis forming amongst our people, guided by our new Warrior-Priests, we continue to rely upon the lake, the river and the sea. This is exemplified by our advancement from weaving baskets and simple clothing to weaving nets and pioneering new ways to fish.

Another age passes; our people continue to learn, grow and for the time being thrive, thanks to bountiful sources of fish we have chosen to live adjacent to. Occasionally, other small bands of people like ourselves join, adding onto our population and biological diversity. Our bloodlines carry forward into a new age.

>The Fourth Age

Our population as of the 4th Age:

305 Children
129 Hunters
104 Gatherers
24 Warrior-Priests
Total: 562

Our random events for this age are as follows:

1) In the night, while a mother was sitting with her child, they are attacked by a horrible monster. Screams fill the night air and rouse many others, who come to look, but all that is left are stains of blood and tattered clothing, and a visage of something flying off into the night sky. The night after, it comes again, this time swooping down upon a man standing watch over his family. It mauls him to death and drags him away, but not before being glimpsed in the light of the two moons; a winged cat beast, larger than a man, with glowing red eyes and jaws that snap bone and swallow flesh. It spreads its membranous and expansive wings and takes off into the night. If the pattern holds, it will return for more flesh.

2) An age of comfort and simple hunting and gathering has not prepared the current generation of warrior-priests for a beast such as this. Despite qualifying for their roles, a majority of them suggest cowardly means to deal with the threat, or outright inaction, hoping it will go away. These fearful warrior-priests suggest appealing to the crimson snake god to bail your people out of the problem, so that they themselves will not be put in harm's way, and use their position in an attempt to guard their own lives; they fear to even leave on a vision quest, lest they be picked off in the dark away from home. A minority of the warrior-priests live up to the warrior part of their title, however, and are prepared to face the creature, decrying the others as cowards.

3) The appearance of the creature, and the division in the until-now unified warrior-priests, has caused a significant amount of unrest amongst your people, who fear that any one of them could be next. The creature drags its victims off somewhere else to devour them; what if it is feeding its young? What if more of them come? Why won't the warrior-priests or the Red Serpent protect us? Have we done something wrong? These are the questions that fuel their fear and panic threatens to overwhelm your people. Already one fight has broken out; more may follow if something is not done.

What is your reaction to these events?

>>5471407
If the star snek didn't want to be the origin of evil, then maybe it shouldn't have killed that woman, or tried to suppress the evils it's kind did before.
Hydra delenda est.

>>5471408
Prepare a trap for the beast, so that when it tries to swoop in for the kill, it's wings will be torn, and the warriors may be able to kill or hunt down the beast.

The Scarlet Serpent believes in self reliance: a father knows that one day the child will have to leave their home. He protected us in our early days so that we may be able to grow strong. He does not save us because this monster is a trouble for us to solve: The original hex and the six surroundings were our cribs, but the world is ours to take.

One of the Warrior-Priests, a descendant from the the hero will take the reins of the situation. If the siblings bicker among themselves, then it is the duty of the oldest to put the house in order.

>>5471408
Why are there 24 warrior priests? I never intended for them to be so numerous and clearly a lot of them aren't worthy of the title. I also never intended for the title of Justiciar to equal being a warrior priest. As >>5470443 this anon had said, it was meant to be a position encharged with remembering previous decisions/punishments.

I'll mantain again that a descendant of the Traveler should be made king so as to have more decisive leadership instead of this bickering oligarchy.

As the creature, we can either go the pragmatic route or the spiritual route. The former, we lay a trap an attack it with everything we got. The latter, we send an expedition of our best and bravest to hunt down and slay the creature.

>>5471408
The people demand that action be taken, and the minority of warrior-priests willing to fight convince the populace to support them, purging the cowards from the priesthood. Now unified, they take action to actively hunt and fight the beast, and when it’s eventually wounded, follow the trail of blood to it’s lair to finite job.

>>5471422
I say we should empower the fighting minority, purge the cowardly, unify the priesthood and society, and turn this into a spiritual moment. These are supposed to be warrior-priests, not cowards who shy away from battle.

>>5471408
1) A small group of Hunters will be tasked with finding a trail of the creature, keeping company with our Hero and his son, just to find the Beast lair. The rest of the Warrior-Priest will stay and protect the families.

While the Hero and co. Hunt the Beast, the men and Woman of the village will weave webs for the Beast, anything to restrain it movement so the Warrior-Priest and Hunters attack with bows. The ones coward Warrior-Priest will have three options: Either they hide with the Hunters to be ready and throw the Web with the potential threath of being caught by the Beast, stay near the center of the village in the light as Bait, or go with the Hero into the unknow to fight.

We're in a crisis for our people, families and friends, we can't hope that the Red Snake for always saving us

>>5471409
Again, Trickster God. You never fully trust the trickster, but this is mainly about not turning the Celestial body into our religious hell.

>>5471422
There are around 9,7 person to each warrior-priest, I discounted the children because there are a lot of them.
Maybe we should create internal ranks? A warrior-priest that is more warrior, a warrior priest that is more priest, a warrior-priest that is justicar, and a warrior-priest that is king.
We can call them Pontifex, Flamens, Epolones and the Rex. When we get magic we can create the Augures too.

>>5471432
I like the night sky as hell though, it's very unique.

>>5471199

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycon

Glycon is Macedonian but had a cult in Rome

>>5471429
Of course, I didn't say abolish the priesthood. No man can rule alone after all. I only think that having a maestro to coordinate and give direction to the council would be for the best.

>>5471427
Anyway, I think this order is backwards. The brave and courageous should use their success against the beast as proof of their righteousness in casting out the cowards.

>>5471432
I like it this way. It's different from polytheistic religions in that it has that abrahamic dychotomy but it's different from those too because both divinities are much more earthly than them.

>>5471433
This was my intention from the begginning. A King and his council, as it should be.

I think we should strip the rank of Warrior-Priest from the cowards until they earn it back either though service in dealing with the beast or some other means


I also agree that we should use our weaving skills to make a trap for the beast. It has wings so a net or the like weighted with heavy river stones could keep it down long enough to be killed.

I don't think we should have a hunting party. The beast is coming to us, no need to exhaust our forces flailing around the woods for something that can just fly away anyway.

We could use fish as bait.

And it's so big we should have the Warrior-Priest lead the charge but let anyone who volunteers also pile on for the killing blow once the mantifore is trapped

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>>5471408
This is a turn most dark indeed. Division among the tribe at such a fledgling stage could lead to ruin. The solution must be found in unity and cohesion, we must unify the tribe against the foul beast of the air. But with such meager weapons as those we bear we must rely most upon our dearest asset. The intellect.

Families must fall together into the strongest dwellings at nightfall, none are bade wander at dark. The vigils of the night will be drawn of the men, hunter and priest alike. Lay a trap, of live bait.. The beast must return and when it does it will be ensnared and brought to heel under savage blows.

>>5471408
Only those who can prove their wisdom or courage by participating in trapping the beast should remain warrior-priests. This id their job: to use their vision-wisdom, gleaned through brave travels and travails, to protect and lead our people. Any who fail, or back failed methods, cannot be warrior-priests anymore.

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>>5471430
To be clear, the hero is dead, he passed either in late Age 2 or early Age 3; it's always a bit vague intentionally unless they die in a specific manner.

Each age, I roll for how the bloodline continues; how many children each generation has, their genders, etc. Notable traits are passed down, like "Great Hero"; this doesn't guarantee that his descendants will be great heroes, but they have the legacy in their blood and is a factor in considerations I make towards them (it gives them an edge in certain conditions, is what I mean).

The hero, and the woman who was possessed that he nursed back to health, had a son and a daughter. This age, they each had a child; the daughter had a son, and the son had a daughter. Here's a chart.

Ok, so ideas so far:

>>5471421
Make a trap.
This is a mortal problem.
Get a king.

>>5471422
Get a king
Trap
Hunting expedition

>>5471427
>>5471429
Purge the cowards
Hunt the beast
Find nest

>>5471430
Hunt the beast
Warriors stay home to make a trap
This is a mortal problem

>>5471433
Reform the warrior-priests

>>5471439
Demote cowards
Make trap

>>5471441
Make trap

>>5471442
Demote cowards

Seems to be a majority towards some sort of trap and to remove the title of the priests.
Personally, I think we should make some sort of reform. The cowards would lose the title of warrior-priests and would have to go on penance, but they could become a sort of non-military priest if they fail. I also want to have a king so unite the people.
And separate the justicar into it's own thing maybe.

>>5471434
I don’t, it’s generic satanism. Besides, the brothers Orobos would be cool iconography, each nipping playfully at the other’s tail.

>>5471437
I’m fine with a warrior-king leading the minority, I just don’t want the minority to get so bloodied as to lose the political battle with the cowards. Unity before we fight.

I think making the snakes more earthly makes more sense since they had an empire that decayed, and that the Pantheon was earthy itself instead of black vs white.

>>5471439
I think we need to imbue a warrior spirit into our priest class, ensure that the cowards don’t retake to priesthood with tales of valor and glory. Trapping the monster with fish just isn’t valorous, it’s cowardly.

>>5471439
>I think we should strip the rank of Warrior-Priest from the cowards until they earn it back either though service in dealing with the beast or some other means
This, we clearly stated that the Warrior-Priests are supposed to keep our people safe from physical and spiritual danger. If the cowards are REALLY more inclined into the spiritual and don't lean into the Snake because of cowardice we understand, but this is something really troublesome and that it need our inmediate attention.

If they have some kind of distinctive they will be striped out of it.

And still, ALL OF THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!! I say that aside from the trap and coordinate the people, we should make it so the coward Warrior-Priests know that, it doesn't matter tif they don't want to directly fight, there's hardly any other alternative. Don't wanna fight something like that? Sure, but still your family and Friends could be the next meal of the Beast. You don't want to fight straight against it? Ok, and still the creature have wings that make it SO much faster than we do, so if we leave it will just keep following us. So there's no escape nor alternative, so there's only an outcome: they stay inside their homes, and hope that that night they aren't attacked by the Beast, and still they will have only one alternative that is defend themselves if they really don't wanna die, with the only difference that THEY or their families might not have a chance against it, while the whole Warrior-Priests, together like brothers and sisters will have each other backs and slay the Beast.

I say we should really push their unity and try to make them see how things could develope if they stay cowards.

>>5471449
I don’t think we should tolerate cowardice, and force the cowards on a pilgrimage or else lose their religious status as priests.

Also, the trap would be the cowardly action, so I wouldn’t know how we role play it and still retain the courageous nobility of the priesthood.

>>5471451
Warriors lay traps all the time. Romans were all about fortifications and maneuvers.
Just rushing in will get a lot of brave man killed, since our people only have hides and rocks.

>>5471455
I guess it would make more sense for the Bloodline Daughter to bring this up, and have it be associated with the Trickster God.

>>5471449
Besides what I've already said, I agree with the thought of "This is a mortal problem". And the Justiciar WAS supposed to be it's own thing within the warrior priests.

>>5471451
But in this small clan we lead, getting bloodied but ultimately winning would destroy any and all political or spiritual clout the cowards have. As for the black and white thing. It's not like the Scarlet Snake is the embodiment of all good and the Star Serpent is the embodiment of all evil, one is merely good and the other is merely evil. Just as a man can be good or evil, so too can the snakes even if they are still gods.

>>5471454
I prefer the hunt myself. It seems more in line with martial culture I want to instill.

>>5471455
Ehhh they more liked just using their heavy infantry to bully everyone else instead of being crafty. It's part of the reason that Hannibal was able to trick them so often.

>>5471454
I my opinion the cowardly option would be to hide, run away or try to appease the beast, and any option to fight it would be courageous. Like, I don't think it would matters that much if the monster got tangled in webs, or got mobbed by a bunch of people at once, since in the end it was confronted
I'm struggling to think of a great hero, general or warrior that didn't use guile to win, but just ran in and beat people. Even Hercules did some crafty things.
I'm not being sarcastic about this, if there's one I would like to learn about them. History and mythology is fun.

>>5471458
The roman civil wars were amazing. They had fort and wall offs all the time.

>>5471454
>Also, the trap would be the cowardly action
I don't think so. There's a narrow line between cowardice and wit:

Just hide/run from the problem, and wait for the enemy to down their guard to make a nasty attack: cowardice, trying to avoid any confrontation like the coward warrios says (pray for the Red Snake to save us, inaction, use their high status to safe themselves) everything so they are out of harm, even being fearful to doing their Vision quests

Lay low, using our inteligence and the assets/technology we have to gain an edge against a dangerous beast with many natural advantage and going straight into the enemy: wit and courage. Unfortunally the Warrior-Priests that actually want to fight are a minority, but still since we make them there has being a direct role for them: guard their people from physical and spiritual danger. The people are more than right to be angry against the cowards, their first line of defend only to be trying to make nothing or using their status to save themselves.

>>5471449
Ok, so RP would be a division between the majority and the minority, with the male bloodline advocating on courage and action on behalf of the minority, consolidating power into a priest-king. Meanwhile, the majority advocate for tricking and trapping the monster, with the bloodline female being the heir apparent for their cause, being the only elite to support their cause.

>>5471458
I see you’re point.

>>5471460
Achilles just ran in and beat up people.

I just had a thought.
>what if it is feeding its young? What if more of them come?
What if this is right? I think we actually should do both the trap and the hunt. Kill the monster that attacks, and then lead a hunt to find it's lair.
That way, the people would be safe from being preyed upon while the warrior-priests and the hunters try to track down the source of the beast.

>>5471461
Yeah there was a big use of forts and the like but trickery and guile? Most of that was Caesar and he was quite the outlier.

>>5471462
A fair enough observation

>>5471464
No, I'd like instead for them to work towards:

>>5471468
This fair compromise. The cowardly warrior priests should be driven out for they possess neither wit nor bravery.

>>5471468
That was the original intention with my ‘wound and follow the beast to it’s lair via bloodtrail.

I think the comprise would be to do both. Make a trap the wounds the beast, then track and hunt down the wounded beast to it’s lair. In the process, the minority conspires to install the male hier as king, and purge the cowardly tricksters from power, which said purged (not dead) rallying around the female bloodline.

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>>5471408
>in the light of the two moons
A brief detail that I have neglected to mention up until now is that when I randomly generated our planet, it has two moons and a ring (like Saturn).
Here's a mockup I made a while back from a few different assets.

>>5471475
I can see us naming the two moons after the Snake Brothers.

>>5471467
Oh yeah, that he did, thanks anon. For some reason I was thinking that he had a hand on the Trojan Horse, when it was Odysseus and he was only involved in being on the same side.
I never understood why he was always called brave. Is it really bravery to go to war if you know that you are (mostly) invulnerable? He should have been banned for cheating in a PvP server.
>>5471473
To be fair, I also had a similar idea before
>and the warriors may be able to kill or hunt down the beast.
But I'm adding that even if the manage to kill it, a hunting party should still be made to find the lair.
>>5471475
Two moons, just like the two snakes.
The Twin Coiled faith deepens

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>>5471475
In addition to this, with one of my player's specializing into moon worship/moon magic, here's a moon phase chart detailing the two moons and their appearances in the sky.

That's essentially 24 unique combinations of their phases:

Double Full Moon
Double Waning Gibbous
Big Last Quarter, Small Waning Gibbous
Big Waning Crescent, Small Last Quarter
Big New Moon, Small Waning Crescent
Big Waxing Crescent, Small Waning Crescent
Big First Quarter, Small New Moon
Big Waxing Gibbous, Small Waxing Crescent
Big Full Moon, Small Waxing Crescent
Big Waning Gibbous, Small First Quarter
Big Last Quarter, Small Waxing Gibbous
Big Waning Crescent, Small Waxing Gibbous
Big New Moon, Small Full Moon
Big Waxing Crescent, Small Waning Gibbous
Big First Quarter, Small Waning Gibbous
Big Waxing Gibbous, Small Last Quarter
Big Full Moon, Small Waning Crescent
Big Waning Gibbous, Small Waning Crescent
Big Last Quarter, Small New Moon
Big Waning Crescent, Small Waxing Crescent
Big New Moon, Small Waxing Crescent
Big Waxing Crescent, Small First Quarter
Big First Quarter, Small Waxing Crescent
Double Waxing Gibbous

Assuming a three-month cycle, four times a year, then each year there's about 12 full Big Moons, like our real moon's cycle, and thus about six small Full Moons, and four Double Full Moons a year.

Just flavor for the world, for those curious. Now I have to parse through all this dialogue you've had to figure out what we're doing in reaction to the random events.

>>5471477
Nothing states that the snakes are brothers and, now that I think about it, that they're both male. And I think it detracts from their earthlyness to name a celestial bodies after them.

>>5471482
Now that's some deep flavor.

>>5471482
>moon magic
How do we unlock magic? Is it from the tech tree? A random event? Player actions?
I want to get divination, for the full Rome experience.

>>5471486
Player here. You'll get it when you get it. There will be a "eureka" moment at some point, and you'll begin unlocking magic.

>>5471486
>Is it from the tech tree?
Yes.
>A random event?
Yes.
>Player actions?
And yes (eventually, after certain technological and society conditions are met).
Unlocking all of the tech in a tier grants a bonus to magic (in other words, an advancement in a school of choice after all Tier 1 techs are unlocked, Tier 2, etc.) Society also comes with, in addition to other things, a magical boost. Some techs on the tech tree later on will allow for the studying and advancement of magic to be a player action.

>>5471480
Myth-wise, he went to war to No or his duties even though he knew it would kill him via prophecy. I think he was just very brave in general, and so good at fighting in combat unscathed that the soldiery believed him to be invulnerable (until that faith Achilles heel finish him off).

>>5471482
Neat

>>5471485
Nothing states they aren’t either, and I honestly would think that over the generations, people would associate the joining of the two bloodlines (Serpentgirl and Traveler) into one as the God’s bond being familial in nature.

Also, naming our only two lunar celestial bodies after the two snake gods, one of which is literally a Star Snake that came down from the heavens, isn’t as far fetched or unearthly as it seems. I am open for other suggestions though.

>>5471501
Ah, so that give an incentive to just not rush a branch of the tech tree.
I like it.

>>5471505
>war to do* his duties
>until that faithful Achilles heel
Fucking autocorrect.