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You are Kima Dulioan. You are the daughter of Hwat Dulioan- who is the current acting Supreme Ruler for the entire Hegemony- he has been in charge for almost three years. Only now is Cijan Anak, the true Supreme Ruler, finally returning. And it's going to be a night to remember.

The Reconqusitia was a pretty crazy time. It seemed like every week there was news of a new Hegemony victory, a new colony beginning in the Hazaar-Vassal Star Systems. Then things went quite for a while until the conflicts within the Baalathi controlled space- you got to know more then most people in the Hegemony, especially girls your age, since your father was so involved in preparing defenses in the event of a possible Esaal counterattack. Of course, most girls your age are talking about finding husbands and that kind of stuff, not interstellar politics...

But even for yourself; this is a huge event. The return of the Supreme means a celebration of high society is in order; as he returns the spoils of his conquest, a Grand Ball is held, one of the first in centuries, to honor and welcome the Supreme. And simply by the status granted by your family, you are one of the very lucky few to have an invitation.

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Previous Thread- https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2022/5284677/

Your mother has been fussing over the decorations of the party more then the outfit she had picked out for you- almost as if she designed it in advance. The only thing you have left is to decide your accessories. She recommended a nice gold chain, but you're also proud of your flower decorations, and could use a white flower in your mane. But considering this is going to be one of the largest social events in recent history, and very possibility the biggest night of your whole life, you want to make sure you dress to impress...

>Gold Chain
>White Flower
>Both

Nice, you're back!
>>5452538
Cijan is a traditional dude so he may like the most traditional one, although idk which one is it, maybe the flower like the western women of past thread?

Oh fuck, it's back
>>5452538
I'm gonna have to go with..
>Both

The flower looks weird alone. Also, is that upposed to be some kind of dress + high boot thing? There's just a weird gap. Is it supposed to be some sort of thigh gap or something?

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>>5452562
I forgot to add

>>5452538
>>Both

AWWW FUCK YEA! WE'RE BACK BABY!

>>5452538
>White Flower
Welcome back, QM.

>>5452538
>Both
Hell yeah.

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>>5452538
>Both
HOOO HOOO HOOO OOOH OOOH AAAH AAHH!!!

>>5452538
>Both
White or gold, gold or white....ah, white and gold, let's shake it up a little.

>>5452538
>White Flower

>>5452538
Monkekino is BACK!
>Both

>>5452538
>>Both

>>5452538
>White Flower

PREPARE THE JUBILANT SLIIIIIIDE!

>>5452538
>White Flower
The Flowed is known for it’s beauty, and I really dig the raised eyebrow look.

Happy to see that you’re back Bananas!

>>5452555
It’s the flower, fits with history and tradition. I wouldn’t touch the chain unless it’s the Supreme necklace (or it’s Vul’s bloodline).

>>5452538
>>Both

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You decide to go with both. More accessories the better! Besides, there's no reason you can't take them off later if you decide it's too much.

In the years since the founding of the Hegemony, very few Supreme Rulers have ever got the chance to return from a long trip or campaign; since the planet has been unified underneath their rule. To celebrate the occasion of a traditional ball and because of Cijan's triumphant return with all the spoils of his conquest- this party is truly something once in a lifetime.

The ball proper is being held on Jaxt, of course, your species Homeworld and ruling seat of the grand empire. However, on every colony and every planet and on every starship this party is also being broadcast; little mini-balls for the overseers and administrators and their families too. Your own mother chose the color schemes; the theme is a return to traditions and deep history. Celebration, with class. Any Jaxtian State-Philosopher or socialite would kill to get an invitation to the real party though, at the Hegemony Control. This is where Cijan is coming back. And you're gonna be right there! It's so exciting! The entire stratosphere of Jaxt is a buzz with spaceships; the AI network controlling everything to avoid accidents. All over the building people are being whisked through the doors by antigravity platforms and vehicles; the streets outside packed with more party goers and workers zooming to get last minute preperations complete. Even now, important guests are arriving.

”Who is that, Mother? With the black spots on his head?”
”That is Ulaj Takar, Administrator of Interplanetary Shipping. He's one of your father's closest friends; an absolute bore, child, stay away from him. Worst conversationalist I've ever met.”
”Haha, what about him? With the knife?”
”Kerjak Falathane. He's one of the highest ranking State-Philosphers. Your father and him are meeting with Cijan tonight after the festivities.”
”Where is my father anyway?”
”Hwat is still busy, child. He is organizing this whole thing- he's still the acting Supreme after all; at least until he gives the medallion back to Cijan.”
”...Mother, what exactly am I supposed to do at a party like this?”
”Remember when we used to play pretend? Kind of like that. Men in charge call it networking. The women call it matchmaking.”
”...Oh.”

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There was a strange lack of fanfare when Cijan Anak came down the entryway. Everyone had been standing here for the past twenty minutes to greet him on his way inside. This tall, middle aged man with the twin-tails is the absolute Supreme Ruler of your entire species- the all-powerful dictator that guides the Hegemony into the space age.

You were also impressed at exactly how far up that queue you were allowed to stand. Administrators of entire planets were farther down the line then you and your mother.

”Welcome home, my Master.” Your mother says. You copy her curtsy.

“Mrs.Dulioan.” He says, looking at Shjomae. Then, he looks at you. “Kima.” He remembers your name!

”I know it has been a long journey for you- and many years since you've been home. I wanted to create a very welcoming atmosphere with the decorations. We all are very happy you are back.”
“Indeed, it has. Many things have changed.”
”You remember Kima? She has done quite a lot of growing up since you left.”

Cijan looks you over. You glance at your mother.

“Hmph.”
”Hmm? You disagree?”
”M-Mom...”
“Well, I was just thinking she's got a bit of growing left to do.”
”..What's that supposed to mean?”

Now your mother is the one glancing at you. He furrows his brow.

“You know what it means, girl! I go away for three years and you look the same- You're FLAT! You look like a DAMN BOY!”

Something compels you to answer.

”Oh yeah?! I have a gymnasts body- what's your excuse?! You've got TWO TAILS! You look like a DAMN MUTANT!”

Shjomae gasps at what you just said- and you realize also that you were way too hot headed. You just snapped at and insulted the Supreme Ruler. Cijan looks shocked, as if he didn't expect that response in the slightest and is still processing what just happened. You realize, quickly, that you're about to be in a world of trouble. You start to think of how to apologize until Cijan speaks first.

“Well... I have to apologize. Kima, Mrs.Dulioan, please forgive my comments. I've spent the last three years on a warship with only men and... Hazaar to keep me company. I have completely forgotten how to talk to a lady.”

In that moment, your mother swoops between you and him. It's uncanny, maybe even a little scary, how quickly she moved now. It was like she was a vulture waiting for just the right moment.

”I'm sure my daughter meant no real offense, Great Cijan, and she will no doubt accept your apology- but still this awkardness has to be cleaned up. Oh! Here's something I just came up with up so you can both make up- why not dance with her?”
“Huh. The dance... it skipped my mind completely.”
”So you have no woman planned?”
“I figured that Hwat would plan that for me since he was on planet...”
”It must have skipped his mind. He is very busy after all.”

Your mother stops talking to put her hand on your shoulder, inching you just a step closer to his majesty. She smiles.

”My daughter already knows the dance, your majesty, it's part of her gymnastic routine. I don't think you'd find a better partner in the whole Hegemony. This is almost too good a coincidence to pass up. What do you say?”
“I mean- if it's alright with her. Kima, what do you say? Will you be my partner for the Dance of the First Man and First Woman?”

Oh wow. This is actually happening. The Supreme Ruler just asked you to dance with him. Traditional balls usually featured a very special dance by the Supreme Ruler himself; taken from tribal times when the leader was also a warrior, with a single female. He only ever dances with one girl. It can be any girl, but... they were usually his wife. Or they became his wife after.

Nothing is set in stone though- you could dance with him and just choose to not marry him later. But I mean... would you? You've been so focused on other things you never much thought about romance and... a husband. But that time of your life is coming very soon. You can't just stay a dumb unmarried virgin girl living with your parents forever, can you?

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I mean think about it. You're a highborn girl, you have choices. The Hegemony has a lot of rich, successful, powerful men looking for wives. You could marry an Alpha who would be big and tall but... kind of smelly. Bit of a brute. Would probably want you to “share” him with another woman... I mean at least the sex would be good... because they have big... dicks? Right? Ugh! You don't know anything about that! I mean you just really aren't attracted to them anymore...

...Or you could pick a regular guy. Who would probably be nice. Maybe rich and successful, maybe not, probably not super famous. He would love you. Just love you for who you are and not your body or your family or for any other reason. Maybe. Right?

...But you could also marry Cijan. Cijan Anak. The Supreme Ruler. Master of the entire Hegemony. The only one above all laws. The most dangerous AND powerful man in the Hegemony. Also the richest man. Just came back from the greatest military victory against the xenos for the past hundred years. Literally the number one bachelor that every whore in this whole empire wants to sink their claws into. I mean if you can choose anyone you wanted- any man you wanted- why wouldn't you get him before any of them do? Are you stupid for even asking yourself these questions?

”Kima... the Supreme Ruler is waiting.”

>Accept
>Decline

>>5452915
>Accept
Kima isn’t playing second fiddle to any WHORE that catches the Supreme’s eye. If she can’t become the Supreme Ruler, being the Supreme Wife is still pretty based.

>inb4 the Hegemony pumps Alphas with massive steroids to maximize their gains

Honestly, our option here doesn't really matter

We had like, an entire thread whose sole theme was about how none of the choices about kima's romance mattered and that this was going to end up happening regardless of our choices.

Too bad for the kid, though. With cijan's age, he's probably gonna be all autistic.

>>5452939
Actually, I think it’s more important than you realize. Cajan may go the way of Vul, meaning Kima might have a chance at becoming Supreme.

Of course, there’s nothing stopping us from fucking up Kima’s life, wether it be though the missed opportunity or Kima just hating the life she was force into. I mainly just want her to be Top Women and happy desu.

>>5452915
>Accept
Could be worse.
>>5452939
>Too bad for the kid, though. With cijan's age, he's probably gonna be all autistic.
Weaponized autism is what the Hegemony needs to defeat the xenos.

>>5452915
>Accept

>>5452915
>>Accept
Choice is an illusion but consent isn't.

>>5452915
>Decline
I want Kima to be plot relevant, but this seems like the more interesting option in terms of what might happen.

>>5452939
>With cijan's age, he's probably gonna be all autistic.
We have a eugenics program and gene tweaking for that, anon.

>>5452915
>Decline

>>5452915
>Accept

Power couple let's go.

Or at least - let's dance. The dance might not go anywhere, after all. But we owe it to us and our society give this a try. There's plenty of options for us if there's just no chemistry here, and an untold number of other options for Cijan due to his status if he just doesn't like Kima.

>>5452915
>Accept
Their kid will probably be such a baddass, imagine the mind of Cijan and the will and athleticism of Kima.

>>5452915
>Decline

>>5452915
>Accept

>>5452915
>Accept
As much as I hope Radjo can still somehow get his dream girl, its looking bleak but being as far as possible away from the heart of the hegemony the news of the supremes new wife/or female supreme will surely reach him and maybe we can see something from our starsight padawan again
>>5452612
(Incase ip change)

>>5452995 is me, if we need backlinks.

>>5452915
>Accept

It'd be stupid not to.

>>5452915
>Accept

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"Y-Yes. Of course, I accept. I will!"
"Good. Let's go get ready. The ceremony is about to begin."

Truthfully, you knew what the dance entailed before you agreed. Perhaps that was part of why you were hesitant in the first place. There is a reason that only beautiful people rule Jaxt...

Quest continues tomorrow.

>>5453470
Pffft hahaha. Toppest of keks.

>>5453470
God I love these stupid monkies and their traditions.

>>5453470
OH NO RADJO DONT WATCH THE NEWS
>cue looming threat that takes 6 threads to address
All jokes love you BQM

>>5453778
I don't think radjo can even see anymore, if he's learned starsight

>>5453470
KEK

Hats off to you Bananas, you’ve blindsided us again!

>>5453778
>>5453863
>Radjo watches the news
>he bleaches his eyes
>his mentor approves of his initiative

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The Dance. The Dance of the First Man and First Woman. One of the oldest dances; a courtship dance, and also a dance of tradition and stability- this is “the way things are”. It isn't the most physically difficult dances, it's simple, but it tells a story.

The first man and first woman were separate. But the man decides to go find her. That is why man is the hunter, the pursuer, but the nest belongs to the woman. It tells a story through the motions, with no words even needing to be said.

It also exemplifies Jaxtian gender roles in its motions. The man's dance is large and sweeping, cutting a great circle that gives room for the female to perform in the center, using his size and presence to give her safety. Then, when she spins, or leaps, or flings- he catches her. He provides her stability. He could expresses himself more; but he is reserved. The female portion, your portion, is the real star of the show. You twirl and move, your arms and legs working in perfect tandem, your body going exactly as you have trained all your life. It's perfect.

Somewhere in the back of your mind; a switch flipped. Not for the performance, but for your own self. It's like your brain knows this will be the greatest moment of your life- how greedily is drinks down every single experience and sensation. You remember everything with crystal clarity. The last clink of the servant's glass before the dance; as people became too enchanted to do anything but watch. The just-cool-enough near silent airflow of the air conditioning machines- the bots silently hovering in the air broadcasting it all over the Jaxtian universe- the way Cijan's shirtless body flexes in the dim light. The perfect decorations. The smell of flowers.

Your mother always told you something about your weapon. Your secret weapon; that only females have. Your sex. You never understood. Your mother didn't go around having sex with any man she wanted something from; so how could she control men without even laying a finger on them? It was gross and confusing to you; you had a different focus. It was only now you understood when you look at this blonde- who froze the moment he first saw you. You think you see it now; it's love. Love at first sight. But it's only one way. You can see the way he looks at you now. You extend your hand to him. He looks like this is a dream. You never touched him- and yet this is the way he reacts to you. Just by seeing you.

You think you're starting to get it now.

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Cijan commands the people. He opens his mouth and air molecules vibrate, and men obey. You don't even have to say anything- they do exactly what you want before you even ask for it. You can feel their eyes. It isn't lust, exactly, but it's enchantment. It's like magic. The man look at you in some kind of spiritual awe- and the woman too. Not jealousy, though there is some, but something else. A sort of appreciation for the divine feminine. The automatic, free, total and complete value given to a beautiful young woman. A woman like you.

The truth is that no matter how you chose to live your life- there would always be woman in the Hegemony who outrank you. Your mother always had a better mind for leadership- and there are genius women born here and there given high positions. Your choice of gymnastics and physical sport doesn't lent itself as well to being put in the head of department. But while there are woman who will always outrank you, no woman outranks the wife of the Supreme Ruler. It isn't an exaggeration to say that, when the wife of the Supreme gets pregnant and announces it publicly, there is a sudden fertility spike all over the Hegemony. That's a fact. Every woman will style her mane as you do, every man and child will listen to your words. Your gymnastic career will be over when you have your first child, that's for sure, but it will be worth it. You suppress your tears. You think you're about to cry- but you aren't sad. You're pretty sure your dream just came true.

Your are now Radjo Berax and you just got your ass kicked again in basic combat training. Face in the mud, your instructor doesn't help you back up.

”Radjo! Get up you pussy.”
“Oww- please boss! It 'furts all over- and I 'fink you broke my nose!”
”You think those red Esaal bastards care if you got an ouchie? They'll kill you either way if you aren't ready! Harden the fuck up. You're dismissed for today.”

Life on Andoen hasn't exactly been easy. The military readiness program for all alpha males has been forcing you to learn new skills- your peaceful weightlifting physical program is on hold for much more practical uses of strength- fighting. Digging ditches. Carrying weapon crates- and moving around in that damnable armor. It sucks.

The only thing you have to look forward to now are your other shifts- your time with your new mentor- Tetak Kallas- the blind starseer- disgraced but still moving towards his goals. You study under him now, learning Starsight, despite the fact you can't do it yourself. After all, you still have working eyes.

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Later that night, the broadcast all over the Hegemony plays out. It's the grand return of the Supreme Ruler. You aren't important enough to be invited to the party happening on Andoen right now- but watching the pageantry from your own room's screen is plenty for you. After all, you're still pretty sore from today.

It's a bit surreal seeing all these famous and powerful Hegemony officials in one place like that- actually meeting and socializing like real people instead of just being names on a screen instead or their orders carrying their way through all of society. It's a bit refreshing. And in a way, you can kind of enjoy the luxury here- even from your modest soldier's barrack quarters...

Wait a second, is that Kima? Oh my lord! She's there too! Wow, that's amazing! And she's so beautiful still. You're kind of surprised how skimpy that outfit is. And now they're doing a dance- and she's dancing with the Supreme Ruler- it's a huge honor to even be in his presence and...

...Kima, why? Are you serious? It hasn't even been a year since you told your feelings to her. She didn't even say goodbye when you left the planet. And now she's mingling with high society and- with- with that highborn fucker.

...What kind of dance is this?

>I'm over it
>I'm STILL not over it

>>5454630
>I'm over it

Chadjo got better things to do, like Monke Jedi training.

>>5454630
>I'm STILL not over it
REEEE

>>5454630
>>I'm STILL not over it

>>5454630
>I'm STILL not over it

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

>>5454630
>I'm STILL not over it
Poor bastard.
Return of the cuck meme, eh?

>>5454630
>I'm over it
Nothing you can do, my man. Nothing you can do.

>>5454630
>I'm over it
Abandon thots, achieve Starsight. We should be focusing on GAINS!

>>5454630
>I'm over it

Free ourselves from the burden of the routes not taken. We will find a taller, stockier wife and father many musclemonkies.

>>5454630
>I'm over it
I'm not into NTR.

>>5454630
>I'm over it

>>5454805
>find a wife also on steroids

>>5454837
I don't think alpha females exist, or that the Hegemony would tolerate any respectable female Jaxtian distorting her body from the feminine ideal in such a way.

>>5454865
No Alpha Males are a gender specific phenotype of Jaxtians. It's like how some orangutans have cheek pads and others don't.

>>5454865
A Jaxian female. Radjo could marry a Cow-woman instead.

>>5454889
Would support,

>>5454889
>>5454893
>Wanting to copulate with a xeno
Radjo had it hard already, let's not dig him a new low point.

>>5454630
>>I'm over it

>>5454902
If it's good enough for Supreme Leader Eoba II, it's good enough for Radjo.

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>>5454630
>I'm over it
Simp nevermore

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>>5454824
This is like...the fourth time he's written stuff that is obviously just NTR

The first and second time, yeah sure, maybe it was just the story, but now? This just feels way too blatant. Is this some kind of magical realm thing? I don't like it.

>>5454967
Yes. Bananas here. I love cuckolding and No Nut November is leaving me feeling very pent up and randy. In the next update, Yaun will let himself get pricked by a BGK (Big Green Knifedick), while Sunshine cries and masturbates in the corner.

>>5454967
I think it’s more about beating Radjo down now in order to build him up later, and the vote is deciding whether you guys really want Radjo and Kima to be together or not later on.

The immediate effect I figure is whether he’s gonna go completely apeshit on his training Sargent in the next fight or not, using this to fuel his rage. To be honest, a rage fueled sequel of Doomonke would be pretty based.

>>5454996
>To be honest, a rage fueled sequel of Doomonke would be pretty based.
Being a seething cuck sounds even worse

>>5455000
Can’t be cucked if you were never in a real relationship with Kima in the first place. It’s a lost romantic opportunity he’s seething at, not Cijan pulling a Eoba on his real current girlfriend.

>>5455009
This is literally 'childhood friend getting banged in live television by a middle aged man'

It's NTR garbage

>>5455012
His focus is more on Kima ignoring his ass and their relationship status than the actual dance dude. Get your mind outta the gutter.

>>5455017
Mate she is literally being groped in front of billions

What the fuck do you call this

>>5455021
Traditional monkedancing. This isn’t some weird hidden subtext mate, it is what is says on the tin.

>>5455091
Is that supposed to make it better? The choice is literally whether he's over kima to care or not.

>>5455107
You’re confusing Radjo’s sexual feelings with platonic mate. Radjo’s more upset with how Kima responded to his feelings than he is frustrated about Cijan.

>>5455130
He specifically mentioned being frustrated about how she didn't even say bye to him and then went off to fuck in live television with the high society

Please stop coping for dumb magical realm garbage, this is the 4th time it's happened and by this time it's way too blatant to be just a story thing

>>5455134
Anon, you’re the one sperging out at a dance and being presented with a choice. It isn’t the story, it’s just you.

>>5455137
Yes anon, it's totally common. There is nothing whatsoever weird about this. Nope, it's all common. Pattern recognition isn't a real thing.

>>5454630
>Im over it
Disregard snooty female, im sure Radjo has gotten some Andoen tail from some cute monkeys during his training

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>>5455139

>>5454630
>I’m STILL not over it
It is pretty unnerving
I get that it’s a different society and everything but come on
I think I would feel as if I was “over it” but then I’d see this and then I’d be pissed again

>>5454630
>I'm over it
Kima has shown zero initiative towards Radjo and frankly, he can do better tgan Kima.

>>5455140
Hegemony frowns on casual sex.

>>5455286
What about competitive sex?

>>5455012
>childhood friend getting banged in live television by a middle aged man
Sounds hot. More quests need to do this

>>5455134
>>5455139
Who the fuck cares? The rest of us are enjoying the quest Bananas is running. If you aren't? Fine, you've said your piece, now please stop going on about it.

>>5455303
Encouraged, obviously, for purposes of created the best possible counter to Species-style aliens. Remember your training sims: if the alien genestealer has hearts for pupils, she is effectively neutralized! Move onto the next! This is a numbers game, soldier!

>>5454630
>I'm STILL not over it

Stay angry mah dude - let it power your gainz

Just ignore the fact that she was never into you and rejected you

Let the self-denial flow through you

>I'm STILL not over it.

Dramatic quests for true love are fun!

>>5454630
>I'm STILL not over it
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ6nF6JKtRc

>>5454630
>I'm over it
This song goes very hard
Love from Andoen

>>5454630
>I'm STILL not over it
It’s true lus- I mean love.

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Update is being worked on now.

MonKUCKs

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Just seeing this, now, really puts it into perspective. She's so graceful, so beautiful, and so totally and completely out of your league. Your AI girlfriend was always right. You never even had a chance with her. Why are you still dwelling on this? Better question, why are you watching this at all?

“I'm over it.”

Why are you dwelling on the past? She never even showed any interest in you at all you lug. And yet because you jerked off to her a few times, you think she loved you back? You bet your ass when she was alone, in bed, late at night, she never ever once thought of you.

“I'm over her.”

You turn to the screen one last time as their dance reaches its climax- Cijan holding up Kima high in the air with one arm, the music reaching its peak as the implication of the man and woman bond culminating in the creation of new life. You see Kima's smile as she wows everyone in the Hegemony. And you know what? You're happy for her.

“Computer, turn this off. I need to focus on my studying and exercise. Set me a 30 minute timer for my next bodyweight exercise so I don't forget to keep limber for tomorrow's combat training. Until them, I will be meditating.”
”Acknowledged. You've shown great initiative today, Radjo, your supervisors will be notified of your work ethic.”

As you assume the Lotus position and close your eyes, you think of what your teacher, Tetak, had told you. It was the same thing he said when he made you quit your pornography habit, and the same thing you thought when you threw out your last AI girlfriend backup. Your eyes have so much more important things to see.

Even though, with your eyes closed and the fact you aren't blind, thus you can't do Starsight at all, you aren't seeing much. It's more of a mental thing...

…?

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You are now Cijan Anak, the True Supreme Ruler of the Hegemony. Finally, you've come home. You just finished dancing with Kima; and are a bit sweaty and out of breath. Less because of the dance itself and more just keeping up with her. You can feel the power behind her muscles, the control in her motions- her father's constant praise and adoration of his beloved daughter was never exaggerated it seems. She has indeed “grown up”.

“I hope my skills were good enough for you, your Majesty. I know how important this night is to you, I wanted to be at my best.”
”You were more then enough. You were a superior partner to all of my dance tutors- who were born and raised for the role. You are not one of the best- you are the best.”
“In that case, we will probably dance again?”
”We will. Goodnight.”

You somewhat dislike how forward her mother was. Intentionally sabotaging Hwat's plans so he would “forget” to schedule a dance partner for you, so she can spur-of-the-moment recommend her own daughter? For the dance the Supreme Ruler always does with his future wife? Putting the family of a high level administrator that close to your entrance for a good first impression before you got too bored? Trying a little hard there, Shjomae? She is a fine woman, though, and if you were a little older and she a little younger it would be likely she would be your wife instead. You and Hwat are going to draw from a similar pool- and she does know what is best for her own family. You know of Kima, her scores, and you know the time is right. You'll marry her right after you assume command of the Hegemony once again- get back in the swing of things.

The fancy party is an affair for all high level people of the Hegemony. Among them, high level State-Philosophers are common. There seems to be a correlation between their type and the giddy socialites. Though many scientists are higher ranking then them; they tend to blow off their invitations. Too busy with their career-defining passion projects. One such State Philosopher is approaching you now.

”Hello your Majesty, I am Kerjak Falathane. Hwat sent me to find you. I trust the party has been agreeable to you? After all- you are our star attraction, and guest, and the proprietor.”
“It has. You mentioned Hwat? Does his security detail know you are... carrying a knife, in my presence?”
”He does. Let's walk together.”

It is silent for a moment. You don't know much about this Kerjak fellow- he isn't famous enough to your knowledge, at least when you left, to seem to deserve such an exclusive invitation to this party. Maybe he's a +1. But for who?

“Kerjak, was it? Can I ask you something?”
”Yes, your Majesty. And of course, please do.”
“Do you know what the function of a traditional Jaxtian ball is?”
”Yes, it is based on Microcosm theory.”
“Ah, very good. You've studied your history.”
”Not as much as you, my grace.”
”That is the nature of my question. You know what Microcosm theory is then- the concept of showing and creating an atmosphere of pure Jaxtian Mainlander culture in a single event or party- almost thrown out by the early Hegemony for being a capitalist money-sink, but kept around just for this one value. You show everything- the importance of the Supreme Ruler, the roles of men and women, the fresh food, the nature-inspired decorations- everything. So I'm very curious to here why there are aliens at a traditional Jaxtian ball?”
”That's a very good question, your Majesty! In fact, I was the one to arrange them to come here for exactly one night.”
”Oh?”
”Well, as you said yourself, this party is meant to show a microcosm of what the Jaxtian way of life- what the Hegemony is- all together. To create a sort of cultural frame that grounds the elite and the proletariat in common bounds. But the context of what the Hegemony is and what the Jaxtian way of life are changes over time. Technology allows elders to mix with the youth, never possible long ago. So, life in the Hegemony has changed in regards to the aliens. The aliens live among us now. This party is supposed to show everyone exactly their relationship with us. You! Fetch the Supreme Ruler a drink- he hasn't had one since he's got here.”
“Yes Sir!” The Blue-Hazaar chirps. “If there is any other way I can serve you, please just let me know!”

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Kerjak leads you to a conference room- and finally you see him. Hwat. The current acting Supreme, and your closest colleague. Every since you were forced to denounce Tetak, Hwat is the closest friend you've had in the Hegemony over all these years.

”Cijan! Welcome back.”
”Hwat! Good to see you. It's been months- well- years for the rest of you- since I had my medallion. Too busy to come upstairs and join the party?”
”Last minute Supreme stuff. You'd know better then anyone else. We can go upstairs and enjoy it together- in just a minute. We need to talk.”
”Hmm...? Hwat, what is going on?”
”Cijan, your Majesty, we are making changes to the Hegemony. Big things are coming.”
””We?””
”Kerjak's people and my people. We've discussed it to death at this point- and there was even violence over it- I took care of it while you were away. But now our solution to everything- all the Hegemony's problems- that's the one thing I can't do myself. I have already passed all the laws and informed the populace through the AI system- it's just the highest backing of all we need now- we need you. We need your vow to uphold it.”
”I don't understand. What am I vowing to uphold?”
”Our Accord. To settle our differences... And to patch up the problems in the Hegemony. Honestly, it's been a long time coming. Even long befrore you left. Cijan, haven't you felt it? We're stagnating. Our society hasn't had a true breakout success since Talacent, hundreds of years ago. Agori caused an ascension crisis which Eoba II fixed beautifully, and he expanded the empire, and you gave us the greatest victory in recent history- and yet despite this we are still stagnating. So much research and such a huge population and so much newly acquired territory, and yet our culture and people have not seriously advanced in so long. Where is the Golden Age? This is part of the problem.”
”Settle our differences? You're acting like there's a great division in the Hegemony.”
”THERE IS! The Blackknifes and the Blackspots. The supremacists and the economists...”

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”Wha- Political parties? Are you serious?! I leave for three years and you form damn political parties in my absence?!”
”They aren't political parties, Cijan.”
”In all but name. And you want me to vow to uphold some accord- let me guess- does this accord involve limitations on the power of the Supreme Ruler too? A constitution?” You can already tell by his look that it does. “I cannot believe this! I trusted you to guide the Hegemony in good faith until I returned, and this is how you repay me? By steering us wrong?”
”You were already streering us wrong.”

From across, the room, Kerjak had hissed. The fact he was here, discussing these matters-of-supreme-state at all, had already triggered a red flag in your head. But now, you're sure of it.

”You, Cijan Anak, are the cause of the Hegemony's problems. Hwat will not admit it, but you have used and misused the office of the Supreme Ruler. We are lesser because of you.”
”Be quiet, fool. I was ruling this empire since you were a child. What do you know of leadership?”
”Leadership means leading a people. You do not lead our people. Throughout your career, time and time again, you have sided with alien interests over our own. I brought them here to make them servants- you bring them here to be equals. You allowed Hazaar Hybrids to stay on Xin, and create their filthy families together on the closest life-sustaining planet to Jaxt. You infected our local gas giant, Max, with the damn Baalathi, the first aliens to ever harm and kill Jaxtians- that gas giant will never be free of them now. Do you deny this? You conquered even more foreign worlds only to give them back to the Hazaar in the Hazaar vassal states; instead of taking those planets for the Jaxtian race. Do you deny this too? Life-sustaining planets, for aliens! And what about Farro Val? A decorated starship captain; left as an alien's pet, in exchange for your precious “life machine”.”
”Farro is a cultural ambassador. You don't know-”
”I know much, Anak. Hwat gave me access to the Bite's security logs. I know what you've done- your actions are not those of some great leader to lead us into the future, but the actions of a damn species traitor!”

Within a moment, your knife was already drawn. It was time to shut up this yapping underling long ago- but you feel arms around yours- stopping you.

”Let go of me Hwat... now. This fool needs to be taught a lesson.”
”No Cijan... I can't let you do this. Because I agree with him.”
”...”
”We don't see eye to eye on everything, but Kerjak and I have discussed this to its logical conclusion. It's true, our society is failing. We don't have the same spirit, we have expanded to many territories and colonies but we're an empty shell. One strike, from the worms or Esaal or some new threat, and we'll crumple. He thinks its the aliens, I think it's the economy. Truthfully, I think we're both a little right.”
”I know I am right!”
”So it's treason, then. This is your coup.”
”No! Cijan, you are the Supreme Ruler. You were chosen, not me. I want to give you back your medallion, I want everything to go back how it was, but I can't let you keep down this dark path. This goes beyond just you and me and Kerjak and politics- this is about the survival of our species. Without the Golden Age we'll never be ready for what's out there- we'll never truly put our society to the next step. This is the solution.”

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Golden Age. Racial supremacy. Alien threats-within and without. Oh. Oh shit. Your eyes go wide in the realization as you lower your knife arm.

”Oh. OH! You dumbshits. This is about the books, isn't it? You aligned yourselves with the political books?”
”The Phenology of Capital is a perfect showcase in how we're going wrong, Cijan.”
You- both of you! You actually fell into the book's author-voice and allowed it to change your fundamental methods of thinking?!”
”Political discussion is vital to the Hegemony's existence! The book of our Supremacy outlines this!”
”But you didn't read the other ones! You didn't even get it, the entire point was... hey, don't you know that those books are all written by a Hazaar?”
”Yeah, I know. So what?”

You can't believe what is happening here. Aggregating power among themselves, these two political figures have created political parties. For the first time in the Hegemony's history, the unity and single course of vision have been split among warring parties- the creation of a two party system is dangerous for any democracy, much less the Hegemony, whose strength lies in the omnipotence of its Supreme Ruler. There has never been nor will ever be a greater system- and for the first time ever it is being threatened here and now.

You see the Enforcers here. They are not pointing their weapons at you, but the threat is clear. This isn't a negotiable. For these two, they have finally managed to achieve what they think is a willing and self-created compromise between their great divide- when they don't see the great divide is an illusion. Almost like hypnosis, the two of them have been manipulated to react a certain way to stimuli- Hwat, to wealth and progress- and Kerjak to the alien- and both have invented this unreal division that cannot be overcome; except through unyielding law.

”Cijan- the Supreme Ruler's word is law. Any Supreme Ruler could just ignore or overthrow our accord- put us back into chaos. Only with your vow- the threat of your legacy, can we actually make it last down the line of succession. My vow is worthless, but everyone knows you are returning and you want to do right for the Hegemony. If you publicly vowed to uphold this document, the precedent will be set, and future Supremes will treat it as unbreakable tradition. This is the only way to right our paths- long after all of us our dead. But our children and their children will live and live in prosperity-”
”-And will be able to live at all, free from extermination or slavery by more powerful alien forces. Free from the rot of the multiculturalism infecting our people. Strong,and unified.”
”-This is the only way Cijan. You have to do this. This is the only way to save the Hegemony.”

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Throughout it all, you don't understand how Hwat could be doing this. He should be too smart for this- clearly, he let something slip. He was too lax and careless in his youth, something you thought he got over once he had his children. You don't doubt it for a second for a brute like Kerjak but.. why Hwat? Maybe Kerjak threatened him? No- these Enforcers are loyal to Hwat. Your understanding of how this could happen begins to complete as you remember the books- and their author. You are starting to understand what this is. Mind-Poison. But it's already run its course. It's too late. Hwat and Kerjak have gained power over critical parts of the Hegemony now, and both are united to enforce their will upon you. Hwat isn't armed and you are certain Kerjak's knifework isn't up to snuff with your own- no Supreme training- but it has been a long time since you'd sparred...

The truth is, that like any government, the Hegemony is already a bundle of contradictions and miss-managed parts. Even it isn't perfect, at least not truly, but all Supreme Rulers and all Jaxtians know deep down that it is as close to perfect as this flawed universe can allow. There would be little loss to simply agreeing to the terms- a simple blow to your own ego- but a blow to the ego of the office of the Supreme Ruler? That may have consequences far greater then you could imagine.

But at the same time; you can't just say no. They aren't letting you refuse. Both of them have tricked themselves into thinking this is life or death- you can't negotiate them out of it, because both of them have already achieved what they think is the perfect compromise. They both get what they want- their ideological inner-hearts sated only by this “accord”- a permanent and lasting limitation on your power- and the power of future Supremes to come. The Enforcers and manpower of the Hegemony are loyal to Hwat- and the majority of the Jaxtian citizens support the Supremacist ideals of Kerjak. It is only the Hegemony that allows the enrichment of your society and science by alien inclusion- the Jaxtians would have destroyed them without a strong arm to do the right thing.

But now... what is the right thing? Whatever you choose, it will mean massive consequences for the Hegemony. Forever.

>Uphold the Accord
>End the Coup

>>5455961
>>Uphold the Accord
It is time for great changes in Hegemony if it is to survive

>>5455961
>End the Coup
Nonsense. Nothing but chattering nonsense. End this.

>>5455961
>Uphold the Accord

>>5455961
On the bright side.
I’m proud that they get along so well.

>>5455961
>Uphold the Accord
Ending the coup is literally only going to make things worse.It will divide us. The Jaxtians believe in Kerjak's idea. It'll lead us to a fucking civil war.

The only way to end this now is to agree to the accord and then squash the idea of political parties
>But the supreme ruler
The office of the supreme ruler has, quite literally, gone through much worse. People already KNOW they're not infallible.

Mostly, however, i completely agree that xenos suck.

>>5455961
>End the Coup
Hey guys. Remember when we chose the nerd supreme because he'd be great against a certain philosopher's plan to destabilise us? That went well.

>>5456036
Well, that's what happens when your ruler goes on a long ass trip away from home.

But Kerjak is right. Cijan has been pretty fucking light on xenos. He's basically giving the hazaar an entire cluster. If jaxt was taken out, our species might as well be dead.

He didn't have a choice when handing over the admiral, but that doesn't change the fact that the Jaxtian race is getting less and less space in their own empire.

>>5455961
>Uphold the Accord

Ultimately, a document is subjective. We (and future Supremes) can make it mean whatever we want it to mean

Ending the coup would result in a full civil war which would be utterly devastating

Better to reassert our control in the empire and pick off the political factions from the shadows

>>5455961
>End the Coup
I don't think the office of Supreme *has* been through worse than this. Allowing Political Parties? Allowing a constitution? Soon enough the Supreme will only be a figurehead. This kind of coup cannot be allowed to happen, the precedent alone it would set would be unacceptable on its own, regardless of the other consequences.

And you know what, I don't think these people can afford to actually fight us here. Even though the people do largely believe in Jaxtian Supremacy, that's an entirely different ball game from overthrowing or killing a Supreme Leader, and a recently successful one at that. They NEED us to agree to this. If we so much as say "no", even if they manage to overwhelm / kill / imprison us, they are completely fucked. They get none of what they wanted and have no legitimacy to enact their plans. But anyways, don't undersell Cijan here, I think he can take them, and I definitely suspect they won't be very enthused to raise a blade to their Supreme.

>>5456049
>assert out control
>agree to a constitution and limiting of our power
pick one

>>5456050
You don't seem to understand the situation

The Jaxtian people WANT this. Telling them to fuck off will do nothing to fix the situation. The enforcers, the people, they agree with them. Even if Cijan killed them both, their followers would continue

Kerjak literally could have overthrown him, if he was told not then he'd have even more reason to do it. Hwat may not want to kill his bro, but Kerjak? He'll absolutely do it, and once he does, he'll be the legitimate leader - don't forget that assassination is literally an legitimate, lawful way to become supreme.

Ending this here will literally lead to a civil war. You want to maintain power of the supreme? You take out the root issues, that's how.

>>5456051
>chimp out and start a civil war
>maintain the supreme who has a chance of keeping his power
pick one

>>5456041
>Cijan has been pretty fucking light on xenos
I agree about that. Anons have gone soft.

>>5456056
>The Jaxtian people WANT this.
The Jaxtian people aren't the ones who read the political treatises. The ELITES want this. The people do NOT want to overthrow the office of Supreme Leader. A few might continue their cause, and to what end? Resisting the Supreme Leader? They will be hunted down like the terrorists of the past.

>Kerjak literally could have overthrown him
He literally could not have, notice how the enforcers in the room belong to Hwat. He doesn't command that kind of loyalty.

>He'll absolutely do it, and once he does, he'll be the legitimate leader
Lmao no he won't.

>don't forget that assassination is literally an legitimate, lawful way to become supreme.
Yeah, if you are next in line like Eoba was back in the day. A random schmoe can't just go up and kill the Supreme and say "hey I'm Supreme now." We had the opportunity to change to that kind of system, and we all said no, that was retarded, because it is.

>Ending this here will literally lead to a civil war.
Debatable, and I think unlikely because of reasons previously stated, but that is a preferable state to the alternative. And even if it does, we would have an overwhelming advantage. Everyone who doesn't side with us would have no legitimacy.

>You take out the root issues, that's how.
By submitting to them? You want to take out the issues, then *take them out*.

>>5456064
>The Jaxtian people aren't the ones who read the political treatises.
The Jaxtians are the ones who support the likes of Kerjak. Cijan LITERALLY SAID the majority of citizens support Kerjak's supremacism.
>He literally could not have, notice how the enforcers in the room belong to Hwat
Bro we literally had the option. He had enforcers to pull it off, he didnt, and he is absolutely willing to fight Cijan over it.
>Lmao no he won't.
Yes.

There is, quite literally, an entire robe for it. Kerjak is an widely popular high ranking philosopher with connections to the enforcers and the elite. If he killed Cijan, he would absolutely take the throne.
>And even if it does, we would have an overwhelming advantage.
Ah yes, they have the entire enforcer corps, the populace, the elite and effective control of our artificial intelligence until Hwat gives the medallion.

Cijan has...a few battle-worn, damaged ships with tired crewmen.
>You want to take out the issues, then *take them out*
That is the EXACT OPPOSITE of solving it. Doing this will not solve the issue of Jaxtians having less planets for themselves than the fucking Jaxtians. We're turning into an minority ruler species, and we all know how well that ended for every single empire that tried it.

>>5456066
I'm not going to turn this into another argument that takes up the entire thread, so I'll leave it with this.

Don't compromise the fundamentals of our society for something so tepid as security. Don't balk at the idea of armed conflict to the extent we give in to Usurpers. Don't fall into cowardice.

>>5456078
>Don't compromise the fundamentals of our society for something so tepid as security.
But doing it to protect our "image" is fine?

Do you think Akule would be happy if he knew his own descendant was giving more territory to xenos than his own fucking species?

>>5455961
>End the Coup

The White Knife

>>5455961
>End the Coup

I agree with the anti-constitution anons.
We must change, but not like this. No matter what the state on the other end calls themselves, they will not be the Hegemony.

>>5456148
>We must change
Except we WONT

What WILL happen is that all those people who support the likes of Kerjak will decide that an peaceful solution is no longer possible. And then, well, we'll be lucky if there's a state on the other end at all.

Which do you think is easier, breaking a constitution, or breaking a civil war?

>>5455961
>>Uphold the Accord
Uphold Hwatism-Kerjakism

>>5455961
>End the Coup
To the anons voting for the other side, could you please say why? At least so we may fling shitposts at eachother with more dignity.

>>5455961
>Uphold the Accord
It's the best for the race

>>5456195
Personally? Because i agree with them. We've taken over a cluster, and how many planets do we have exclusively for the Jaxtian race? Two, if you count that one turret-filled planet whose name i forgot.

If jaxt gets taken out, the entire fucking jaxtian race is going to be consigned to doom. Once the fish people start working for us, then it'll be even worse - they're, on average, smarter, more individualistic, and much less connected to the idea.

It's called "space monke quest". Not "Space vermin quest", not "Space fish quest", and definitely not "Space cow quest". Jaxtians need to remain at the top.

>>5456195
The choice is between a bloody civil war that has a good chance of destroying the Jaxtian race or a compromise. And frankly I think both factions do have a point. The absolute power of supremes have declined in recent years, this is just the final nail in its coffin.

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>>5456205
Actually, allow me to elaborate on my point

>>5456205
I agree that we are too soft on the xenos, but that is because anons think that this quest is a sandbox and their very specific headcanon about the choices presented is what the QM will write, which is false.
By maintaing the absolute authority of the Supreme Leader, we maintain the power to act according to our will, we can vote for a xenociding Supreme Leader, we will considering the current threats.
Remember, Talacent was picked because anons thought that the galaxy leaned towards Star Trek, where a diplomacy focused SR would close the gap between Jaxtians and the aliens that emerged sooner, now we know what's out there, and if we have to pick between an Eoba and a Talacent, Eoba will be the sensible choice. Though, I must admit, my arguments rest on the idea that anons will vote with the best interest in mind and a comprehension of how this isn't a sandbox, idea which has been challendged many times.

>>5456235
Yes, well, this is an option to finally crack down on xenos. Their actual goal here isn't to limit the power of the supreme, as we've seen from their actual POVs, Hwat wants to maintain economical prosperity and Kerjak wants to deal with aliens. Maybe if we did it earlier, then we would have been able to do it all on our own, but no, anons decided they'd rather let xenos roam free.

If we say no, we will cause a civil war. THIS is what Yuan wants - he wants use to destroy ourselves by bickering. The fact that Hwat and Kerjak managed to unify Golden Age economists and Supremacists is an feat in on itself.

>>5456228
>The great danbo gotta be litterd with the blood of monkes
>NOOOO we can’t have a CIVIL WAR, this will LITERALLY KILL EVERYONE

>>5456215
The AI basilisk could have destroyed the Jaxtian race, it had better chances of doing so since it had almost complete control of our infrastructure.
You are overestimating the threat, we have been showed times and times again that the 3-mind is capable of social engineering on a scale magnitudes higher and lower that Yuan could hope to achive with his little meme.
>>5456241
With the posibility of sounding like a hypocrite aside, I don't see how maintaing absolute control would make it impossible to improve our economy or finally xenociding the Hazaars and spacefrogs, if we maintain the powers of our MCs, the Supreme Leaders, we should have no reason to not deal with the problems pestering the Hegemony ourselves.

>>5455961
>End the Coup
When Kinja decided against colonizing the Star, it was because it would’ve split the Hegemony. When Agori destroyed the rebels utterly, was it not at the cost of a dear friend? When Eoba II faced spitting up the Hegemony or stepping down, he instead plunged the entire Hegemony into choas and death just to maintain the Supremacy. When faced with bowing to a Worm, and death by it’s tendrils, he instead stood strong and slayed the creature, and in doing so doomed the Hegemony to eternally fight the Xeno. We had always faced damning choices, but in our time we never betrayed our founding principles- for the Supreme to be supreme at all costs. Yes, this will lead to a civil war, at a time when our external enemies circle us like vultures, but subjecting the Hegemony to a slow death of a thousand small cuts and concessions is intolerable. If we are to fail in our quest to defeat entropy itself, let it be with a roar, and not a whimper.

Long live the Supremacy.

>Don’t be a moron and state our intentions. Ponder, rage, and realistically agree. Then plan to end this farce once and for all.

>>5456250
>With the posibility of sounding like a hypocrite aside, I don't see how maintaing absolute control would make it impossible to improve our economy or finally xenociding the Hazaars and spacefrog
Read what i said.

We had plenty of options to do so, we never did. So now, Jaxtians are trying to force it. If we say no, then at best cijan is going to double down, eliminate anyone who's even slightly "supremacist" and help xenos even more. At worst, there's a civil war.
>but the AI
Is under control of Hwat, and he's not just going to give it away, even if he doesn't want to hurt his bro.

The civil war won't kill our species - but it'll weaken us, and we have so many threats at the doorstep - the esaal, the consortium, the 'cyte', that we cannot take such a risk.

>>5456255
Accepting limits to our power is a step too far. I wouldn’t care if we enforced their mandate at our pleasure, but they want to limit the Supremes for all eternity, and that is something we cannot allow to fester. If this coup succeeds, there will be another on, and another one, and then the Hegemony is a constitutional ‘democracy’, with all sorts of political parties, red tape and restrictions killing us slowly from within. I say nay to this.

I chose the hard path, the path of Great Struggle, like all of our predecessors before us did, from warrior Star-king Eoba II to Akule the Unspeakable himself. We do not compromise, and that is why we are THE Supreme Ruler.

>>5456255
Of course we would not give it away, that's why we would End the Coup, I'm pretty sure Bananas said that he won't do trap options, so I don't see how retaking control from Hwat will be a problem.

>We had plenty of options to do so, we never did
Anons never voted for it, wether they were high on their own headcanons, trolling or sincerly thinking those were the best options I can't tell. The problem isn't systemic, it's meta.

>If we say no, then at best cijan is going to double down, eliminate anyone who's even slightly "supremacist" and help xenos even more
This is what I am talking about! What you just said has is not in the actual story, it's a headcanon, you are headcanoning the options! Cijan is the only one who hasn't fell for the books, he is the candidate who gets smarter with age, the direct counter to Yuan's memetic bullshit, and you think he will go on the other extreme?
The votes are clear as day, there's no hidden trap, no "Gotcha!" moment that the QM planned, stop overthinking.

>>5456270
> I wouldn’t care if we enforced their mandate at our pleasure, but they want to limit the Supremes for all eternity
"For all eternity"

That's a dumb way to say it. It can be broken just as we've previously broken hegemony laws. Not that long ago we broke thousands of years of history by closing the caste system

Furthermore, you say "we can" but no, we won't. We won't because we've had several fucking lifetimes and not ONCE did we ever do anything to curb xenos. Every time the option comes up, anons vote to let them do stuff instead.
>I chose the hard path, the path of Great Struggle
You are 'choosing' the path to ruin. i'm certain we'll be very supreme when we're a crater in the fucking void once our blown up country gets invaded by the Esaal, subverted by the consortium and obliterated by the cyte.

>>5456273
>Anons never voted for it, wether they were high on their own headcanons,
YES. That is what i'm saying. You said it yourself, this is not a sandbox. We had the option to do it at full power for several centuries, but didn't, so now the people are forcing it.
>This is what I am talking about! What you just said has is not in the actual story, it's a headcanon, you are headcanoning the options!
Oh for fuck's sake, no it's not

There have been DOZENS of situations where our choices were denied/we were forced to do something because of the ruler's personality.
>The votes are clear as day, there's no hidden trap, no "Gotcha!" moment that the QM planned, stop overthinking.
Have you actually read the quest? Time and time again, characters do something that we didn't vote for/explicitly voted against because it's not in their personality.

>>5456274
>Whatever you choose, it will mean massive consequences for the Hegemony. Forever.

>>5456279
>Whatever you choose, it will mean massive consequences for the Hegemony. Forever.
What makes you think this translates to 'If you agree, you will never ever be able to change anything else related to your power because uhhhh you just cant okay'

This ain't a fucking videogame, you don't get locked out of possibilities later if you choose something now.

>>5456274
You will be setting a precedent that the Supreme Leader can be coerced, that it can bend, you are falling into one of history's greatest traps while claiming to save the Jaxtian race.
Does the Tocqueville Effect sound familiar?

>>5456283
>You will be setting a precedent that the Supreme Leader can be coerced, that it can bend
WE ALREADY HAVE, You fool.

Cijan already did it. He already 'bent' to the aristocrats when he allowed our admiral to stay. And before that, we already 'bent' to the xenos when we allowed the worms to eat people. Did people suddenly stop believing in them? Fuck no.

>>5456276
>the people are forcing it.
The common people do not matter, Jaxt has outgrown the need for populism, don't plunge the Hegemony into it by giving into their demands.

>There have been DOZENS of situations where our choices were denied/we were forced to do something because of the ruler's personality.
Then tell me, what personality does Cijan has? He is no xenolover, he is the smart guy! He studied under Yuan, remember that? He is the counter to the meme.

>>5456274
Did we not vote to genocide the Hazzar? Vow to fight the Worm and it’s vassals? Choose to ignore the Xenophilic Political Thought? That you ignore these actions is telling.

This isn’t about curbing Xenos, but curbing the Supremacy itself, and that you are blind to that fact proves that you’ve fallen for Yuan’s ideological trap as well. It is a sad day that a patriotic Monke would be so beholden to the action a traitorous xeno.

>>5456290
Do not trouble yourself with that monkebrained fool, he already a lost cause

>>5456285
>we allowed the worms to eat people.
Did you not read the quest? Eoba II chose self-determinism, he chose to fight the worms, we choosed to declare war on them. Please mate, don't get high on your own headcanon.

>Did people suddenly stop believing in them? Fuck no.
Kerjak called us out on that, it reinforced his belief. What we do sets precedents.

>>5456290
>The common people do not matter
You are a fool. Yes, anon, i'm certain that the options of all the people manning the factories, aiming our guns, they don't matter.
>but muh AI!
Is.controlled.By.Hwat.
>He is no xenolover, he is the smart guy!
If actually cared about curbing xeno powers, he wouldn't have given an entire quadrant to hazaar. And now after Kerjak tries to force it, you think he'll turn around and say "Oh, you're right"? No, he's going to crack down on the ideology even more. We don't control supremes in every little thing - this has been shown time and time again.
>>5456292
We "said" we'd do a lot of things, but how many of these things have we done?

The Hazaar now have an entire star cluster for themselves. The worms are going to purge our asses while we're infighting. And we're actively going to vote to stop controls on them.
>This isn’t about curbing Xenos
Oh, but it never is, is it? You people keep saying that we just neeed them for now, that it'll be fine, that we'll deal with xenos later. It'll be great.

First, it was xeno overseers. Now it's xeno sector leaders ,and people are already talking about xeno supremes. It will NEVER end, because EVERY SINGLE TIME we try to do something about it, people like YOU run to vote against the opposite.

>>5456298
>Eoba II chose self-determinism, he chose to fight the worm
AFTER, You buffoon, we allowed them to eat people for a long-ass time.
>Kerjak called us out on that, it reinforced his belief
He called us out because of our weakness. And our hypocrisy. Oh, NOOOOOOOW it matters to not compromise. Compromising with xenos? That's okay. But now that it's time to put the jaxtians first? NoOoOoOo we can't compromise!!!!!

It's always this fucking garbage. You people always keep kicking the can down the road.

>>5456302
idk man, saying we can definitely deal with submitting to l constitution and limited powers backed by a vow by subverting them later sounds more pike kicking the can down the road to me. Ending the coup is the rip the bandaid off option.

>>5456299
>If actually cared about curbing xeno powers, he wouldn't have given an entire quadrant to hazaar
Yes, cannonfodder to absorb the blows from the Essal. To think this was mere charity is folly, it’s to prevent excessive loss of Jaxian lives.

But hey, throw away thousands of years of Hegemonic tradition just to appease your autistic desire to grid the xeno into rebellion against us. I’m done with your nonsense.

>>5456306
>Ending the coup is the rip the bandaid off option.
It's not. You wanna know why? Because it doesn't solve the issues.

The underlying issue here is that we keep acting like the structure of the jaxtian society can just work fine. Just ignore the xenos. It's fine. They may be getting more and more seats of powers, but it's fine. They may have more space and planets than our livable species, but it's fine. It's fine. After all, it's not like Bluey is eventually going to die, right?

>>5456307
>Yes, cannonfodder to absorb the blows from the Essal.
Oh, puhLEASE. This 'cannonfodder' is going to turn the tail the pico-fucking-second they get the opportunity. They quite literally are biologically unable to be loyal. We LITERALLY HAD THE OPTION TO GENOCIDE THEM.

Did we do it? No. Instead, we just started making MORE of them.

>>5456299
>Is.controlled.By.Hwat.
The vote is to get it back! Bananas doesn't do trap options, when our MCs disobey votes they do it because it isn't in their personality but that quirk would make Cijan unwilling to get that necklace back?

>Yes, anon, i'm certain that the options of all the people manning the factories, aiming our guns, they don't matter.
We had a whole sidequest about how the Hegemony can brainwash its populace into compliance, what they belive in now wont matter when their AI GFs will tell them otherwise.

>And now after Kerjak tries to force it, you think he'll turn around and say "Oh, you're right"? No, he's going to crack down on the ideology even more.
You have fallen to a meme! To Yuan's mind virus! To dispair! Cijan has figured out what has happened, he knows about Yuan's plan, he knows about everything and now you want to take his power to act against it? Anons are tired of Yuan's shananigans, they will vote to flay him and then deal with the comming crisis, because that's how anons work, Yuan's useless, a threat and, most importantly, boring, he has overstayed his welcome and will be dealt with if we keep the powers to deal with him.

>>5456307
>Yes, cannonfodder to absorb the blows from the Essal.
HEADCANON
>>5456308
>The underlying issue here is that we keep acting like the structure of the jaxtian society can just work fine. Just ignore the xenos.
ANON ISSUE NOT SYSTEMIC ISSUE

>>5456309
>The vote is to get it back!
The vote is to refuse.
>when our MCs disobey votes they do it because it isn't in their personality but that quirk would make Cijan unwilling to get that necklace back?
They will refuse because they quite literally are offering an ultimatum.
>We had a whole sidequest about how the Hegemony can brainwash its populace into compliance
There's a very big different between brainwashing some lonely young man and going against the entire elite.

>You have fallen to a meme! To Yuan's mind virus!
I could not give less of a fuck about yuan. The only thing Yuan wants is for us to kill ourselves while he gets to make his super-hybrid. Time and time again, jaxtians get less and less while xenos get more.

We had the option to genocide the hazaar THE LAST FUCKING THREAD. And guess what? NOPE, we just started making MORE OF THEM. We gave the WHOLE damn system to the hazaar.
>But it's the anons
Oh it's an anon issue? Well, then we can end it. Here. By voting against the xenos. THIS is the issue. Because EVERY TIME we get the option, people like you say
>oooh but they'll be under our control! It's not an issue bro, they'll never get that powerful!
And every time, we relent. What happens when bluey dies? When we don't have someone who is obssessed with loyalty to the point of self-hate? What happens when the consortium or essaal gives the completely hazaar sector the offer to join them?

>>5456315
least unhinged monke quest player

>>5455961

>Uphold the Accord

What is more important, complete control by the Supreme or that Monke cultural Values be more than suggestions that are chronically ignored in the name of Hegemonic Pragmatism?

We go from an Absolute Monarchy to a Constitutional Monarchy with this decision. Its not like its a switch to a republic or something.

>>5456315
>The vote is to refuse.
What do you think that refusing means? That Bananas will write how Cijan was shot and H&K never needed him anyway? The vote is to, quite literally, End the Coup.

>They will refuse because they quite literally are offering an ultimatum.
>Eoba II will refuse because he is offered an ultimatum.

>There's a very big different between brainwashing some lonely young man and going against the entire elite.
3-minds social engineered the Hwat's family like a fiddle, the elites will fall like daisys to the wind.

>I could not give less of a fuck about yuan.
You are literally Kerjak, you know that this whole situation is the complot of a deraged xeno and yet you still do what the xeno wants because it tickes you funny. You claim that Yuan wants jaxtians to kill eachother, what makes you think that he will stop with these books? What makes you think that him and his fag won't exploit the power vacuum made by giving into the demands?

>What happens when bluey dies?
They revolt and we kill them, that's it. I am 50% sure that Bluey is the reason why we haven't xenocided more, once the good xeno is gone, then we kill them. It will be hard, they will have Consortium support, but it will be done.

>>5456338
The former, but they aren’t even mutually exclusive, and you lose the ability to enforce the latter by agreeing to this accord.

>>5456338
>Absolute Monarchy to a Constitutional Monarchy with this decision. Its not like its a switch to a republic or something.
Tell me what happened to the Winsors after the Revolution! I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker, say what happend!

>>5456341
>The vote is to, quite literally, End the Coup.
The vote to genocide the hazaar was also quite literally to genocide the hazaar, but it didn't happen. Cijan might not be straight up killed - but it literally says in the post that he can't just say "No"
>Eoba II will refuse because he is offered an ultimatum.
Quite literally yes. He literally had to kill the worm once he said no.
> yet you still do what the xeno wants because it tickes you funny.
Yuan wants jaxtians to fight. He wants a civil war. There' one option leads to that, and one that doesn't.
> what makes you think that he will stop with these books?
Because the entire fucking issue is the xenos. We have quite literally seen the POV of Kerjak and Hwat. Do you really think he'll get to keep being important when anti-xeno policies are enforced? While we still have the military power in the hegemony and the aliens are politically and militarily weak?
>It will be hard, they will have Consortium support, but it will be done.
OR, and OR, HEAR ME OUT: We deal with the problem...BEFORE it becomes a problem. We had the option last thread, and we didn't take it. We have the option again, and now we're not gonna take it?

To be perfectly honest, no matter what we do Cijak should probably go censure Yuan afterwards as well.
Sod this.

>>5456360
>To be perfectly honest
Nah bro I think you’re lying

>>5456349
>He literally had to kill the worm once he said no.
I was talking about What's-his-name attempted secession, that one oneitis monkey whos AI did to the Jaxtian race what this supposed civil war will do many times over, we killed him because otherwise it would have send a precedent.

>but it literally says in the post that he can't just say "No"
We couldn't have said no to oneitis monkey and the worms but we did it anyway, even in the worst case scenerio, the Hegemony will come out on top.

>He wants a civil war.
Well good for him 'cause he will get that civil war if that's what it takes to kill his meme. Ideas spread faster than genes and we must purge our political apparatus as fast as possible.

>Your entire fourth point
I've read them, Hwat is an econocuck who wanted to limit Jaxtian population while having access to bloody FTL! And Kerjak, while making good points, fails to see that a xeno's playing him like a fiddle, the fact that his rise to power was because of Yuan's books invalidates him. If we had picked the xenolove book, then Kerjak wouldn't have been here and the Jaxtian general opinion would have been different, they do not want this out of some sort of racial consciousness, they want it because Yuan is a memetic wizard.

>We have the option again
We have what you think is the option to kill them. Instead, I see the option to weaken our state apparatus, allow sedation to take hold at the highest levels and play to the tune sung by Yuan.

Both of us want to kill the hazaars and the frogpeople, so, instead of arguing with eachother, why don't we work together to prevent further headcanoning and persuade other anons to join team Xenocide?

>>5456363
>we killed him because otherwise it would have send a precedent.
We killed him because he was an insane fucking psychopath who would have made Agori look like a saint
>We couldn't have said no to oneitis monkey and the worms but we did it anyway
The oneitis monkey didn't have control of the enforcers and the support of the populace, and we didn't have to worry about multiple foreign invaders that are bigger, more experienced and more advanced than us at the same time
> fails to see that a xeno's playing him like a fiddle, the fact that his rise to power was because of Yuan's books invalidates him.
Are you deaf? Yuan, no Yuan, this doesn't change the fact taht Kerjak's complains are RIGHT. He is, quite literally, right. Everything he said is right - you have absolutely fuckall argument other than "we'll deal with it later or something". Yuan is not fucking omnipotent, he isn't mindcontrolling him or anything of the sort. He made a book, and people reached their conclusions.
>We have what you think is the option to kill them.
Because it is the first time we are actually making a move. Every other time before that, we lost the option. Every time, we kick the can down the road.

It's always later, later, later, well, guess what, it's not an option anymore. Either we deal with the xenos, or we kill an innumerable amount of jaxtians in an stupid civil war. The people support Kerjak's supremacism. Hwat has the loyalty of the enforcers.

There is no peaceful way to say 'no' anymore. And i'd much rather deal with having to regain powers than with an Civil War + Double Invasion + Subversion + Superweapon all at the same time.

>>5456367
>We killed him because he was an insane fucking psychopath who would have made Agori look like a saint
Read that thread again pal, the main argument was that by letting Oneitis Monkey secede would have wekened the position of Supreme Leader. Stop being a revisionist.

>The oneitis monkey didn't have control of the enforcers and the support of the populace
Alavis had control over most of our infrastructure, all but one space-worthy ship, had isolated each planet from one another, had bloody deepfakes of relatives of some monkeys to convince them to kill themselves. Alavis was an existencial threat greater than the xeno empires.

>Kerjak's complains are RIGHT.
Kerjak wouldn't have made his complains had Yuan not put them on paper, the black knives and spots are his creations. You are mad about a thing on the meta side of this quest and project it inside the quest. This isn't some destined racial awakening, it's the result of our choice to pick up the monkeylove book.

>Your last point
I'm nkt saying that this will be peacefull, what I am saying is that picking the harder option now will be better for us in the long term because sedation isn't worth it. Tell me this, if we bend over and upheld their accord, what will happen after? What will happen once we crack down on the xenos within and hold off the xeno without?

>>5455961
>End the Coup

We cannot let the flawed writings of a malicious Hazaar take the pinnacle of our society, whoever they are working through.

>>5456380
>Stop being a revisionist.
There was (one) anon who talked about the tocquevile effect. People did not want to give the throne to a psycho like Ingar.
>Alavis was an existencial threat greater than the xeno empires.
She was not.

Alavis was an rogue AI, but she wasn't able to completely control everything. And it was still the worst event we had ever faced - now imagine if we have to deal with people who can just bombard jaxt into dust instead of having to rely on deepfakes.
>Kerjak wouldn't have made his complains had Yuan not put them on paper,
Literally how the fuck does it matter? It doesn't matter where it came from, it matters that's *right*. Yuan wanted to sow discord - if you want to avoid it, then don't choose the option that leads to civil war.
>Tell me this, if we bend over and upheld their accord, what will happen after?
Then that's it. We can crack down on partisanship because the one thing that the Blacknives were actually complaining about is gone. Kerjak doesn't *want* to specifically weaken the supreme leader, he's not some sort of burgoise. He's a supremacist.

But by all means, do play EXACTLY into the hands of the Hazaar and start an civil war IN THE MIDDLE OF A MULTI FRONT CONFLICT AGAINST MULTIPLE ALIEN EMPIRES. Yeah, i'm certain that'll go well....

>>5452534
>>5452535
Stop trying to shill your shit on other boards.

>>5456344
I dont know and all internet searches pull up pages full of the same cnn documentary and celebrishit....

But I can guess. Your words moves me. I'm changing my vote to:
>End the Coup

>>5455961
>End the Coup
We are going to pay for it but reducing our power can't be allowed.

When jaxt is a smouldering crater and we've lost half the empire to the esaal and other aliens, i hope you enjoy your 'power'

>>5455961
>>Uphold the Accord
Sod the xenos, monke power.

>>5456464
I will, traitors only deserve death.

>>5456471
>I would rather kill the entirety of jaxtian race than to restrict the powers of xenos

The choice is simple anons. Sacrifice the Supreme or destroy the Jaxtian race.

>>5456470
Anon, the accord was indirectly crafted by a xeno who hates monkeys. Think.

>>5455961
>End the coup

>>5456475
>Anon, the accord was indirectly crafted by a xeno who hates monkeys
No it fucking wasn't, that's the most stupid way you could even look at it

Yuan made three books with completely disparaging worldviews in order to stoke chaos. Hwat and Kerjak manage to unite these and now want to push forward.
>inb4 noooo you have to trust the plan! we'll deal with xenos eventually! two more centuries!

>>5456475
>Anon, the accord was indirectly crafted by a xeno who hates monkeys. Think.
Technically correct but it could never have gained much following among the Jaxt if the problems identified in it weren't true.

>>5456410
>here was (one) anon who talked about the tocquevile effect.
While a large part of the discussion was shitflinging about the sanity of Ingar and Eoba II, there were more than one anon who was worried about the cultural repercussions of having the Supreme Leader coerced.

>Alavis was an rogue AI, but she wasn't able to completely control everything. And it was still the worst event we had ever faced - now imagine if we have to deal with people who can just bombard jaxt into dust instead of having to rely on deepfakes.
From her thread:

>Sewer mains close up and intentionally backflow into hospitals and civilian shelters, in an attempt to spread as much disease as possible. Antigravity vehicles fly around as fast as possible, striking anyone foolish enough to go outside and, right when their batteries are about to run out, fly up as high as they can into the air to become a gravity based projectile. Hundres of acres of farms and gardens are sprayed with heavy metal contaminants and defoliants, destroying crops and permanently ruining arable land. The worst affected are the floating sea colonies- whose anchor systems and guidance systems are ruined. Several are swept by rogue waves or collide with each other, causing them to break apart and drown hundreds of thousands of people in an afternoon. Wherever Alavis cannot reach herself, she attempts to persuade the vunerable and mentally unwell into action- deepfaked videos of love ones being killed by innocent community members; creating totally misled squads of vigilantes roping up anyone who is trying to retain Hegemonic control.

>While these large scale actions are more significant, the AI is smart and fast enough to do tiny, spiteful things too; consumer devices are boobytrapped to crank up the brightness and volume to unsafe levels to cause vision and hearing damage. Even the most helpless members of your society- such as the very old, are tormented. Alavis modified the euthanasia pods in use to make them only paralyze the patients and release no gas- the poor soul within trapped for potentially days while officials must focus elsewhere. While the Hegemony has always established AI as a safe technology, Alavis has turned from a normal computer intelligent into a Basilisk, a creature of nightmares- a computer dedicated to suffering.
You tell me it wasn't the worset case scenario.

>Literally how the fuck does it matter
It matters because you treat the Supremacist side like it is the vanguard of the Jaxtian racial consciousness when it's another side of Yuan's ploy. The Golden Age economists were formed becaused of said books and by your logic they are also right but I don't see you making a case for them. There isn't a right and wrong answer here, there are two evils and I chose the less insidious one.

>Then that's it.
>Implying that the Supreme Leader can be coerced will do nothing against the stability of our civilization.
You are a consortium spy, aren't you?!

>>5455961
>Uphold the Accord

>>5456475
Samefag. Anons like you are exactly why this constitution is needed.

>>5456479
Killing half of Jaxt to please some xenos is not the lesser evil AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>5456479
>You tell me it wasn't the worset case scenario.
It wasn't the worst case scenario.

She was able to flood areas, yes, but she wasn't able to destroy fucking continents. What the hell do you think is gonna happen if we destroy all our military resources on each other and the Esaal, with their gigantic-ass battleships - a class of ship WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO BUILD - invade us?
>It matters because you treat the Supremacist side like it is the vanguard of the Jaxtian racial consciousness when it's another side of Yuan's ploy.
No, you utter buffoon. Why do you keep acting like Yuan's actual ideology push matters? His entire fucking plan was pushing three books with clashing ideologies in order to foment chaos. The fact that Hwat and Kerjak were able to unite literally only happened because Kerjak took a leap of faith.
>>Implying that the Supreme Leader can be coerced will do nothing against the stability of our civilization.
WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN COERCED. BY *ALIENS*. MORE THAN ONCE.

How is it that being coerced by aliens is okay, but when it comes time to help our species it's suddenly the worst thing ever?

>>5455961
>>Uphold the Accord
Kerjak's a cheeky cunt and Hwat definitely overstepped his remit, but that doesn't make them wrong. Monke Uber Alles.

>>5456480
I feel like it's too early in the thread to call anyone a samefag

>>5455961
>Uphold the Accord

>>5456485
oh please, 1-post id parroting the exact same retarded "YUAN IS MIND CONTROLLING THEM" take, when they're absolutely right by every objective measure? It's abundantly obvious that it's samefagging.

>>5456487
The majority of votes are 1-ids, mate

This is YOUR second post.

Everyone's a samefag (except me)

>>5456487
>thinking Yuan had no influence in their behavior
>when his other potential impacts stated by the qm were huge quest ending catastrophes
I really don’t think it’s that much of a stretch to say that the way they are thinking is because of Yuan, even if they have legitimate complaints.

Also we just got 2 1pbtid votes for accord within like a minute of each other, you gonna call them out too?

>>5456476
>Hwat and Kerjak manage to unite these and now want to push forward
They are pushing "forward" from a shakey foundation, you said it yourself, the worldviews of said books are almost incompatible and were made so intentionally to spread chaos, to weaken the Jaxtians, by giving up our supremacy you allow corruption to take hold over the Hegemony.

>>5456480
>Samefag
>1 post by this ID

>>5456481
>Killing half of Jaxt to please some xenos
1-Headcanoning
2-You are the ones who dance to Hazaar tunes by allowing sedation at the highest level
3-The military is loyal to us, they were with us when on the Reconquista, whatever force Jaxt can muster, ours is better.

>>5456482
>It wasn't the worst case scenario.
It was the worst case scenario because we only had 1 solar system and a small colony outside of it without the numbers necessary to regrow the population, we were more vulnerable back then then we are now, even in the case of a civil war. Worst case scenario then was extinction, worst case scenario now is guerilla warfare against the Esaal.

>because Kerjak took a leap of faith
WE took a leap of faith, the same anons you accuse of being xenolovers are the ones who voted for Kerjak to not coup Hwat.

>How is it that being coerced by aliens is okay, but when it comes time to help our species it's suddenly the worst thing ever?
The only time we were 100% coerced was during the Reconquista with the Pink Hazaar, every other time a xeno tried to intimidate us we killed it. The Hazaars didn't coerce us, we took pity on them.

>>5456497
>I really don’t think it’s that much of a stretch to say that the way they are thinking is because of Yuan
NTA, But i have been saying the entire time that it literally doesn't matter
>b-but he wrote the book
It doesn't fucking matter

This is literally a fucking skyrim situation. Literally the only goal here is to make us fight each other. This is why all the books are different. Because the goal is to make the jaxtians weaken themselves.

Isn't the whole Yuan thing a lesson on why xeno integration is a folly? They will never be grateful, they will never be productive, they will always seek the destruction of the Hegemony for as long as they live.

In case anyone tries to call me a samefag this 1id is my vote. >>5456168 I voted before I went home hence the different id.

>>5456500
>Because the goal is to make the jaxtians weaken themselves.
If you recognize that then why are you choosing to allow corruption at the Supreme Leader level to take hold? You are choosing a long term weakening of the state apparatus over short term pain.

>>5456501
Yes. I really can't understand the people who keep voting to give more power to the xenos and then act surprised when this causes problems with the Jaxtians that should have that power AND the xenos that shouldn't.

>>5456501
>Isn't the whole Yuan thing a lesson on why xeno integration is a folly? They will never be grateful, they will never be productive, they will always seek the destruction of the Hegemony for as long as they live.
YES!

>>5456499
>you said it yourself, the worldviews of said books are almost incompatible
They are made to CLASH with each other. By doing the accord, we finally fucking address the points - which by the way, are completely right; that was the point of Kerjak's choice to NOT pull off a coup.
>It was the worst case scenario because we only had 1 solar system and a small colony outside of it without the numbers necessary to regrow the population,
Good thing we have plenty of other planets with a large jaxtian population right? OH, WAIT, WE DON'T! BECAUSE WE LET THEM STAY WITH THE XENOS!
>WE took a leap of faith, the same anons you accuse of being xenolovers are the ones who voted for Kerjak to not coup Hwat.
Quite literally not - i voted against it because i knew it would lead to weakening ourselves and ultimately hurting the jaxtian race.
> every other time a xeno tried to intimidate us we killed it.
The Worms literally coerced us for all the way until we developed starsight.

>>5456503
>You are choosing a long term weakening of the state apparatus over short term pain.
Because if we don't worry about the short term THERE WONT BE a long term

We are in the brink of a fucking three way war. We do NOT need to split our country ON TOP of what we already have.

>>5456503
>Option A: Weaken the office of the Supreme in a minor way in order to correct what is by every objective measure a systemic problem that will never get addressed otherwise
>Option B: Bloody civil war, major weakening of the Jaxtian race, xenos priviledges sustained only in order to refuse to admit that the xeno-loving anons keep making the same mistake
Gee, I wonder what's worse

>>5456501
This is a lesson that h*zaar integration is a folly. There has, quite literally, been ONE good hazaar. ONE. a SINGLE one. EVERY single other hazaar has either been self-interested or outright subversive.

Vetuckers and Migrators are okay.

>>5456505
So why let them win by going against what the OUR PEOPLE want?

>>5455961
>End the Coup
Holy fuck prune this shit at the roots.

>>5456508
The strawman is intense from you guys. The End the Coup voters that I’ve seen being vocal are all agreeing about the lesser status of xenos and that we don’t want to protect them. You are conflating us resisting these rebels that happen to hold these ideals with resisting the ideals. We recognize the need to put down the xenos, but the office of Supreme is a bigger issue in our eyes, and not mutually exclusive to solving the xenon issue. As long as you keep harping on that, you will just keep blabbering on and screaming at us while entirely missing why we are voting the way we are. Calm the fuck down.

>>5456516
>The End the Coup voters that I’ve seen being vocal are all agreeing about the lesser status of xenos and that we don’t want to protect them.
Oh yeah, they want to lesser their status so much that they'd rather have a civil war than to actually do it

We have had LITERAL CENTURIES worth of time to do it. We could have genocided the hazaar. Every time we get the option, you people pass it and say "surely it won't get worse!"

>>5456519
case in point

>>5456520
So why don't you actually address the point? And no
>Just trust the plan bro we'll get them...eventually...once we finish killing anyone who supports the ideology...and refusing to pass any policy...we'll do it eventually, bro, just trust me
is not an answer

>>5456516
Answer me this, anon. If everyone agrees that the xenos should get less power, then WHY THE FUCK do they keep getting more power and privileges? How do you explain that?

>>5456521
It’s been answered in thread plenty of times now already, you’re too unhinged and tunnel visioned on xenophobia to see anything else. You’re not worth discussing with anymore.

How about we end the coup AND end the xenos.

>>5456525
No, you fucking haven't. The Hazaar are about to be given an entire sector. There was already an gigantic argument about having alien supremes last thread.

>>5456522
Probably because of the specific anons involved in the votes. If we get the opportunity this thread without a gigantic kneecap involved like this vote would give us, I imagine that with the anti xeno sentiment these anons have as well as the demonstration of their danger, we would be likely to vote for more xeno suppression/ extermination

>>5456526
It would be ideal but I don't trust anons to vote to end the xenos after voting to end the coup. They'll just find some new excuse as to why handing the xenos more power is the pragmatic choice.

>>5456526
Not how it works

We don't control the characters. There's been several dozen times where we voted for something, and a character acted differently. If cijan decides to go against the coup, he's going to crack down on everyone. And that's if he doesn't straight up start a fucking civil war.

>>5456506
>By doing the accord, we finally fucking address the points
The accord is sedition, it weakens the pin which holds not just the Hegemony, but the Jaxtian civilization together, the Supreme Leader. Civilizations which remove their roots fall. The Hegemony, before it's reason d'etre of winning against entropy, is made upon the principle that the Supreme leader is supreme.

>>5456508
HEADCANONING
>>5456510
Everything for the people, nothing through the people
>>5456521
STRAWMANNING
>>5456519
The only thing that keeps Xenos alive is the fact that anons are mercifull when they deal with lesser powers but this has changed. I see nobody arguingfor the xenos, I only see anons with 2 different ideas about HOW to right the wrongs of the past.

>>5456526
That’s what several of us have been saying yes

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>>5456531
HEADCANONING
Cijan is had no preferences regarding xenos, the blame is unto us, the voters.

>>5456532
>NOOOOO THERE CAN'T BE ANY BAD CONSEQUENCES FROM THE THING I'M VOTING FOR, THAT'S HEADCANON
God, how retarded are you?

>>5456532
>The accord is sedition, it weakens the pin which holds not just the Hegemony,
And there it fucking is again. The same stupid excuse. MUH sedition. MUH roots. Funny you people didn't say that when you were handing over our admiral to a degenerate freak.
>STRAWMANNING
He says, before immediately stating that we'll 'eventually get them'.

>>5456538
You claimed that the problem will never be adressed while each and every single other person here wants to kill the Hazaars, the only difference being if we weaken the position of Supreme Leader while doing so.

>>5456537
>HEADCANONING
Will you stop saying this stupid thing

No, basic pattern recognition is not "headcanoning"

>>5456541
>You claimed that the problem will never be adressed while each and every single other person here wants to kill the Hazaars
WE LITERALLY HAD THE CHANCE TO DO IT LAST THREAD

WE.
LITERALLY.
HAD.
THE.
CHANCE.

It was right there. but nope. and now that the option comes again? More excuses. It's always this stupid way.

>>5456541
>every single other person here wants to kill the Hazaars
And yet the hazaars keep getting more stuff instead of getting genocided. I wonder where are all the anons who voted to hand them these gifts are hiding now that the chips are down.

>>5456540
I was the one anon who made the write in to keep Val with us, I never voted FOR a xeno, with how this discussion goes, neither will the majority for a very long time.

>>5456542
I'm not talking about pattern recognition, I am talking about the same problem you yourself see, that anons vote against their own interests when it comes to xenos. The only explenation I see is how every time we had a vote on the matter, we tried to be as "pragmatic" as possible, thinking of plans and keikakus, as if the quest was a sandbox. When every anon has it's own headcanon about what the option he votes for wins, then we get problems like the xenos, and as this argumet shows, other anons trying to overcorrect our mistakes.

>>5456544
Look into this thread and find me an anon whos mercy for the Hazaars hasn't run out.

>>5456545
>with how this discussion goes, neither will the majority for a very long time.
Ah yes, which is why we refused to genocide them, kept them on the planet, and then actively gave them an entire fucking sector. aaayup. Anons just *hate* the hazaar. They just won't ever vote for any choice that brings harm to them!
> The only explenation I see is [excuses]
No, anon, i will not 'trust the plan', and i will not wait 'two more weeks' for the hazaar to get what they deserve.

>>5456547
Then tell me why do you think we kept voting for them?

>>5456546
I'm looking at this very vote and finding anons who are voting against the monkeys who want to curb xenos power because in their mind, maintaining the fantasy that the supreme is infallible is preferable to ending the xenos threat right now.

Newsflash: There will always be an excuse. There will always be a cost to ending the xenos threat. And anons like you will always vote to kick the can down the road, promising that we'll deal with the xenos at some nebulous later date.

>>5456548
Because a large number of voters are retarded and have a tendency to choose stupid options?

Oh, wait, let me guess.
>actually giving the xenos an entire star cluster is part of our plan! we'll totally get them next time! trust me!

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>OH BOY NEW MONKEY QUEST
>Ah... the arguing started already nice

>>5456552
This is how we make it feel like home.

>>5456552
And it will keep continuing until the biggest source of argument for the past 15 threads aka fucking hazaar are eliminated down to the last

>>5456555
which is never going to happen as long as anons are willing to kill Jaxtians to uphold Hazaar gains.

>>5456549
>maintaining the fantasy that the supreme is infallible
It's as much of a fantasy as USA's or France's faith that it's own revolution, there are things that a civilization is based on and when youbtake that thing away, the civilization starts to crumble. The Supreme Leader is supreme, for the Hegemony to remain the Hegemony, that simple idea must remain.
>>5456550
If it was retardation then why haven't we seen exemples of outside of our xeno-relations? What makes interactions with xenos special?

>>5456560
>If it was retardation then why haven't we seen exemples of outside of our xeno-relations?
We absolutely fucking have. Go to some of the earlier threads, before we started really dealing with xenos.

>>5456560
>for the Hegemony to remain the Hegemony, that simple idea must remain.
And for the Hegemony to remain the Hegemony, Jaxtians must remain supreme, but that didn't stop people for voting otherwise.

How do you explain this xeno-related retardation, btw? Where are all the anons who keep voting to hand them stuff? What did you vote for back then?

So as I've been saying - end the coup to preserve Supreme Ruler's position at all cost and then rethink our actions as Cijan, ponder whether the monkes were right about crushing ze bugs and decide that the xenocide is the way.

>>5456568
This will not happen

What will actually happen is that Cijan is going to kill everyone who is part of the black knives and keep giving rights to hazaar, IF we don't get a full on civil war, which we most likely will

We don't control the votes, and we certainly don't control the characters.

>>5456568
Yep, as anon said if we crush the coup we're gonna have a civil war in our hand, we're gonna need Hazaar help to win it and guess what, anons will keep voting to give them stuff because it's going to be the "pragmatic" option.

Honestly, I see no good argument on why the order should be "crush the coup THEN end the Hazaar" instead of "End the Hazaar THEN regain supreme power"

>>5455961
>End the Coup
We can't weaken ourselves like this.

>>5456577
Ah yes, because an civil war won't weaken us, right?

Oh wait, it's just another stupid one liner 'we cant do this' vote

>>5456577
>Another 1-post id voting for retardation
Oh gee, I wonder what's going on here.

>>5456571
>>5456576
Man I hate how the /qst/ metagame shapes everything. I think I know now why monke is causing so much sperging.

>>5455961
>>Uphold the Accord

>>5456080
Who cares what Akule thinks? He was a deranged asshole in the end. We know that now.

Weakening the office of Supreme undermines Jaxtian Supremacy more than anything else would.

>>5456480
>Samefag
I'm >>5452578 on mobile, friend.

>>5456583
>Weakening the office of Supreme undermines Jaxtian Supremacy more than anything else would.
Ah yes, because we sure will keep jaxtian supremacy by....
...giving hazaar more and more territory...
...purging anyone who tries to push for anti-xeno laws...
...causing an civil war solely amongst jaxtian in the middle of a three-front war....

>>5455961
>End the Coup

>not even bothering to add a comment now
lol
lmao

>>5456561
Duly noted

>>5456563
To get your second question out of the way first, the only option that I have voted for which you could consider "pro xeno" was picking Talacent, I had not picked a pro xeno option since.

Now, unto the interesting part. After looking through the archive of our Reconquista thread, I can see that the votes for Red Hazaar integration won because of 3 things:
1-Anons not wanting to "waste" the Hazaars, such as this anon:
>Destroying the Red Hazaar is a waste of resources in murdering them all and the lost potential labour pool. We simply need to create a system much like the one that exists within the Hegemony and abuse the individualistic nature of the Reds to put them in competition with each other.
And 2- the votes against the Hazaars being split between killing them and letting Bluey decide what to do with them.
And while not major points, there were some anons who considered them already beaten, some who wanted their tech and some whom I can only describe as being xenophilies and wanting to larp as Star Trek.
Another vote for xenos in that thread was about whether to bring Green Hazaar labourers into the Balathi system, this one had more colourful responses such as:
>What’s the point in being a horrible fascist empire if we can’t enjoy the fruits of slave labour?
This one was from that namefag xenophile Radiance
>We need more loyal population in the system, more economic activity, and a population that can be militarized when fighting the Esaal.
This one was too into realpolitic to consider the human(Jaxtian?(Hazaar?)) element.
>There should be as many green Haazar as there are reds, and as many if not more Blue Haazar as well.
This one considered the GHs to be a lesser evil than RHs
>Just not so many at once. Trickle em at first, see how the Reds react, and then increase
This one is a clear case of what I keep calling headcanoning, anons choosing an option and then building unto their vote with their headcanon about how the option should work instead of taking the votes at face value so to speak.

>>5456584
We need only conquer more systems and devote these ones to the Jaxtians, and enact policies deisgned to shift xenos to specific cluaters and roles while keeping Jaxtians legally on-top...

Like we're already doing.

The Blackknives are overreacting. The Blackspots are impatient. Our new Life Machine can make the Jaxtians into ubermonkes, and that and other reusltant technologies will bring about a Golden Age presided over by a primate master race.

>>5456590
>Like we're already doing.
...by giving our spoils to the Hazaar?

>>5456589
Another interesting thing is that the whole thread was filled with the Kima side-quest fallout of anons losing their faith in the Hegemony. The Xenos Problem was but background music to shitflinging about how sexist and bigoted the Hegemony is, how in actuality it's more meritocratic than the other side considered, and so and so forth. I suggest you draw your own conclusion on this.

>>5456590
>literally "just trust the plan, two more star clusters"
At this point it feels repetitive, but holy fuck

>>5456592
Yes. By dictating where they live and forcibly breeding our own genes into them to make them more pliant.

>>5456596
lol
lmao, even

>>5456595
You really ought to have more teust in the plan, anon. :)

I also just really dislike anons that start shitflinging and calling everyone retards and samefags whenever a vote doesn't go their way.

>>5456596
>Woe are the hazaar, they are becoming smarter, more powerful, and were given an entire star cluster just to them! We treat them so bad!
But noo, just conquer more. Just trust me bro. Just relent again. We won't have another excuse next time like we've done every single time up until now.

>>5456596
>>5456595
The question here isn't about the Hazaars, both parties want to limite xeno influence ,Cijan even comented that xenos shouldn't be at the Ball.
The question here is about tye role of the Supreme Leader.

>>5456599
Ah yes, because a bunch of votes that literally have no argument whatsoever, say nothing, and come in ultra-late are totally normal.

>>5456601
Oh for fucks sake NO, AGAIN you are with your stupid deflection

I am TIRED of this same stupid argument. Every time we get a vote to deal with xenos, people like you make up some fucking excuse. OH it's more practical OH it's more economical. OH it's about our culture.

There's ALWAYS some fucking excuse. ALWAYS. There's ALWAYS an excuse. Every single stupid time.

>>5456601
Agreed.

>>5456604
>>5456480 called me a samefag with no evidence, even though I voted as soon as I woke up and added a comment. Don't pretend it's a suspicion rooted in something reasonable. It's salt. If all the votes were for the option you preferred, my guess is you would be a lot less exacting. This happens all the time.

>>5456609
>called me a samefag with no evidence
Because repeated one-liner votes that say nothing whatsoever are totally natural and not at all suspicious

Fuck off