The time of expansion is over for TalOS, even as the Great Crusade rages on in space. Several years have crossed with the now Fabricator General working on building an Empire within an Empire. After this time though, opportunities have once again presented themselves. The trials and tribulations of Rulership must be overcomed, something that brothers have been broken over. ++The Rules++>Vote with Greentext, otherwise they probably won’t be accepted.>Write-ins can be accepted, and might even be used in the final without majority rule.>If you are going to change your vote, make it so your post only links to the numbers of the previous vote. It's cleaner that way.>If you mix votes together without modifying them in any way, I reserve the right to employ your top most pick as your vote. Claiming it as a write-in won’t work either unless you modify it to convince me otherwise.Archives:https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=The%20Machine%20QM
As the nearby star crested upon Lucius it gave view to the numerous warships that now orbited their birthing planet. Each of these ships were scorched black as a star sheared its presence upon their metal layers. After this blackened steel was the clear red marking that announced their purposes, the fact that they were to be used as Crusaders in a Crusade to take back what was rightfully mankind’s. This force was inbound for the Imperial Fists, a Legion who was closer to the Federation than any of the other Imperial Legions that surrounded it. Said Legion welcomed the assistance openhandidly, if a little miffed that they could not approach the same level of assistance that the Federation gave them. It was an oddity at the end of the day to all those who were not a part of the Reconquista. Let it be the Lords of Mars or the Found Primarchs none of them could understand the logic. For TalOS though the thought was simple. The Fabricator General, who held within his cogitators such immense respect that he will not allow the man to falter, should be given to the Legion who will match his respect. That Legion, the Imperial Fists, was the Legion who not only had honor but respected the Magos whenever they conversed with one another. Thus they were the perfect choice. +My time upon Lucius comes to an end.+ The Once Fabricator General announced as he looked upon the vessel, +It is… hard to think this time came.+ TalOS looked over the battleform of the Fabricator General. He was no longer just a simple man but instead a massive construct that was capable of warfare on a scale only TalOS could imagine. This battleform was crafted from the loving hands of the World’s Artificers, whose prominence was owed to his dedication to their cause. And that ignored his body as well, of which was regenerated with the mystical sciences that TalOS knew. No longer was he an enfeebled and weakened soul, but one whose very genes thought themselves to be in their very youth. TalOS had gone as far as he could with that man, only stopping at the potential of implanting his Geneseed into such a venerable person to give him an Astarte’s Longevity. +It is… hard to believe in myself.+ TalOS admitted as he looked up at the massive form of the man-machine, +When I grew up I did not think I would become what I am, even if you did. I knew I was a warrior, but it feels right to carry on your legacy.+ +I concur with your senses.+ The Fabricator General said as a Mechanrite was placed upon the Primarch’s shoulder, +Be the leader I have always thought you capable of.+ +When we meet again, Explorator Dominus Lucius.+ TalOS spoke the new name of the man before him as a send off to his next step in life.
TalOS took the moment to look at the time seed that was being given by his internal chronomatic systems. The systems marked the date as 825.M30, putting it as a few years after he had taken full reign as Forge World Lucius’s Fabricator General. Overall production has increased by about three times since he took the reins. Most planets within the system would have been marked as backwaters when they were taken, but with each planet TalOS’s Terraforming Task Force succeeded in modifying the changes could no longer be called insignificant. Before TalOS was the next planet to be transformed. Marked A-53-150 it was to become an Agri World for Count Liondros. The man had told TalOS that he wanted his planet to sport some wildlife, the kind that would make good sport for his children and people. It was not a unique request. TalOS could count five other Knights who wanted some sense of nature upon their world filled with agriculture. Such things were easy to put in as planetary designs went, TalOS would admit. Such creatures were bad for crops and might actively harm them but many world hosted regions of isolation. Let it be a mountain range or an island the Fabricator General could partition these easily. For this planet specifically there was a penisola where the mountains bordered it from the mainland and it was flanked by oceans that prevented any escape by ocean. So with those in mind TalOS designed the ecosystem. Several breeds of vulpines, wolf, and cervus were being devoted to the region. These breeds were specifically chosen to adapt to the atmospheric mixture that would be dominating the planet. A resistance that TalOS would need to instill as a genetic cocktail to the new residences unless they wished to suffer several chemical issues. As he looked away from that relatively small region TalOS’s ire turned to the rest of the planet. The entire planet was to be transformed with the introduction of genetically modified wildlife and chemical factories that will die the world a much harder blue. Entire continents will be flattened with windbreaks the size of mountains to instill maximum ethicacy related to rain and winds. TalOS leaned back to look at his masterwork as someone walked up next to him, +That's… so cool.+ +It is.+ TalOS said as a reply to Trig who was looking at the construction, +At the instruction of my hands entire worlds are rebuilt from the ground up. If primitive men were to see it they would think it the act of a God, and they would be correct. For what I create is by the will of the Machine God.+
With those words TalOS gave a speechless command for the system to parcel the package and prepare it to be migrated to the Terraforming Fleet. It will take a little while before it gets there as revisions and modifications were made by the Magos operating in the Terraforming fleet. A time table of three months though was acceptable to TalOS, who knew that moving entire worlds was a monumental task. With that thought TalOS patted the boy on the head while giving a hearty laugh, +So you are back from your lessons? Did Marshall EK1T0R show you anything new?++Yes! He showed me this cool trick with a sword!+ The twelve year old child announced as he made a motion with his wrist, +I was able to disarm a Practice Servitor doing it!+ +Interesting… I will need to take it into consideration.+ TalOS said as he held his chin, +Lets go see Vera.+ +Okay!+ He said while opening the door for the Fabricator General. Walking into the main halls TalOS glanced upon a small person who held a robe over her face. Said robes were of a blackened color, but much closer to the gray steel that would be associated with non-Lucian grade steel. Though this color was something only a Priest would notice as outsiders would mistaken the person as a member of the Cult that ruled over them all. That was the point, TalOS admitted, as this clothing was to be worn by anyone who had yet to achieve the rank of Adept. He watched the girl take the hood down to show a young face that would place her at about fifteen years of age. She gave a bow to TalOS, as all people should when met with the presence of the Fabricator General. +Protocol 11544.+ TalOS told her to allow her to raise her head. As always she looked sort of crestfallen, just like the time TalOS rescued her when she was a child. But, against all of that, he noticed a moment of happiness as she looked upon the one who gave her a new life. +Fabricator General TalOS.+ The girl said all too formally for TalOS’s tastes, +I have returned from my lessons with Magos K3TT3R.+ +Good, I hope you have learned lots.+ TalOS said as he brushed the girl’s head with his hand. >Time for some dinner>Let's go out for a little bit>Gladiatorial Events are happening>Children, let's see the Sons.
>>5443272>Children, let's see the Sons.>Time to hang out with your other siblings!
>He was no longer just a simple man but instead a massive construct that was capable of warfare on a scale only TalOS could imagine.I love the Fabricator General. A man who truly takes after our own heart, and exemplifies the virtues of steel that all techpriests should aspire to.Here is a shining example that even the power of Emperor wrought geneforge cannot match to the limitless potential of the Machine, even when gifted to a mortal man. May we continue to follow such an example, and excel beyond the confines of our Primarch's body further.And piss of Fulgrim too
>>5443272>Gladiatorial Events are happeningStep 1: Take our kids out to an awesome outing of Robot Knight fightsStep 2: Encourage them that this is also, as they say in gothic, "really frakking cool"Step 3: See about getting our kids their own war framesOur Creator is going to invent Psi-Titans. We may want to one day invent Null-Titans.Why not start with Null-Armigers for our kids, so they can project their anti-psychic field within the protection of a powerful knight frame?Also I want to see the Lucius Colosseum anyway even if we can't do Null Knights.
>>5443317>>SupportMakes sense to give our kids and the nulls the best protection there is. If they're already going to be chivalrous nobles, might as well make them knights.
>>5443272>>Gladiatorial Events are happening
>>5443272>Children, let's see the Sons.
>>5443272>Gladiatorial Events are happeningLet's share some good quality fun with them.
>>5443272>Gladiatorial Events are happening
TAL0S is such a lucky primarch. He's got a wife, two adopted children, loving parents, faith and home. It's no wonder he's so stable. Imagine if all the other Primarchs had that touch of humanity in them.
>>5443949Don't forget he had three helpful mentor figures, the chief genetor that I forgot the name of that taught us, Admin the one in charge of the titan legions and Lucius, the FB not planet, who gave us his support since the start. Also our best friend D3X to keep him humble by being very competent and trustworthy.The least human of all primarchs is the most in touch with humanity. Maybe only Vulcan could match him.
>>5443953>The least human of all primarchs is the most in touch with humanity.I really love this particular fact.It also fits well in our own ideology. We are told to abhor Silica Anima and the weakness of Flesh. The body should strive to be steel, and the mind must always remain some level of organic lest we fall into the perils of AI. A body of machine, and the mind of a man, just as the Machine God intended. Life is good.
>>5443955What i find important in this is that while moving torwards the Machine in body, he stays human in his mind. That includes his emotions, in contrast to most of his peers he had no emotional vaults or inhibitors installed, which makes him closer to human at his core that is driving the machine. But he also doesn't let himself be ruled by his emotion, he practices a delicate balance of emotional enjoyment and utilitarian detachment from them, more a monk than a priest.
>>5443969Which also would explain why he opted against having his sons to become reliant upon such methods. I suppose I concede that was ultimately the better choice.I do think it's unfortunate they are affected more strongly by the Particep Semper's rage than we are. I suppose this is how Sanguineous feels about the Red Thirst and Black Rage, such emotions he personally deals with so well, but it saddens him to see his sons fall victim too.Still, we are lucky, our anger is nowhere near the same level like the Blood Angels are, and hopefully our efforts to excise their connection with the Titan will end up being a net positive.We have options eitherway, we will always have emotional vaults, and we will always have the usual mechanicus rage boosters too. That's the best part is if we ever decided, we can just make adjustments to suit our needs.
Also, Null Knights inside Knights is based and I hope we get to do that.
Is anyone able to archive of thread 10 onto suptg? I noticed it hasn't been archived yet.I would try but I'm a mobile fag
>>5444013Put the request right now, it's going to go through in a bit.
>>5443272#>Gladiatorial Events are happening
>>5443272>Gladiatorial Events are happeningSeems cool.Are there only knights and humans fighting or also captures xenos?
>>5444122Everything I hope. Never a shortage of orks in the Galaxy, as well as other Xenos to be abhored. And criminals too, whose crimes were too heinous to warrant servitorization, hoping for the slimmest chance to earn the right to fight in a penal brigade. Also Cybernetica. It's basically a chance for every facet of society, from the lowliest tinkerer to the eldest of tech guild magi, to showcase their latest weapons and please TalOS with their works.Tbh, as much as Lorgar hates us, I feel like a rivalry with Angron would be cool too. We're very much the definition of a High Rider. A rich noble overseeing gladitorial games from lofty towers of ivory and steel.
Giant robots, the latest weapons, and an endless supply of prisoners and xenos. Just like the good old days of the Federation.
Hey QM.What's the chances that some of our sons are taking part in the Gladiatorial games anyway?
See the Sons!>>5443283>>5443284>>5443469>>5443643Gladiatorial Event>>5443317>>5443372>>5443441>>5443841>>5443862>>5443976>>5444101>>5444122>>5444135Yeah, that does make sense. Though the plan was never for him to like TalOS.
It was coming close to night, which for the Fabricator General is the time of rest. Such was the allotted time given to him by the F.A.G. that both himself, Priests, and their Servants would follow accordingly for maximum industrial output. But really though it was taking TalOS away from something he had gained a small nack for liking, and supplementing it with something else. They traveled without issue. Just as TalOS had done when he was a child he guided the two of them through the grandeur of the city in which they lived. Smoke covered the tops of all the manufactoriums that were around them as they pelted out the materials needed to arm the Auxilia that were to march out into the skies. Among those, hundreds of smaller workshops and laboratories owned by Adepts of all types scattered about allowing TalOS’s latest design to go underway. As he crossed the streets the people around him did not move to dodge him. They did not make way as they would for any Knight of Dutonis. Instead they treated him just like any other person, trying their best to avoid collision with the large Tech Priest who dominated their view and the presence of something awfully foul among the children. The People of Lucius after all had gotten used to the subtle and ever present nullification that surrounded the planet now, and those who could not cope had become starch for the rest. The three of them ascended a pair of staircases and into a trolley system. This was part of a greater network that covered the entire city. Unlike other more standard infrastructure within a Hive City, this network was wired into a central bay that hosted a series of rails and cranes. Thus, with ease, the carts were moved in just the right way to easily reorganize for new routes. TalOS and his children stepped upon one of these recently moved vessels along with several dozen others. The children stayed at the walls with small wrists clicking active. Such a thing was needed, TalOS knew, for if anyone were to accidentally touch one of these children their mind might be rendered asunder. Thus, experimental technology was to be employed. TalOS gave it a failure rate of 1.7%, which was respectable. It was hard when the Psi Crystals attempted to satisfy the Pariahs would shatter from the constant consumption of their souls. TaloS knew, for a fact, that if they grew excited that failure rate would shoot up to 76%. Such an error was not on the device, but the Material. TalOS might need to consider Blackstone but the idea of such a thing made it impossible to consider. The trolley tugged as the inertia keeping them in place was defeated by the Machines Spirits of the cart. TalOS watched as his internal tracking systems realized the rate of travel to accelerate at a reasonable rate. They will arrive right on time according to the chronometer and the Machine Spirit’s calculations that existed within the body of TalOS.
The Colosseum was built specifically to entertain both the Nobles and Knights who arrived on Lucius during TalOS’s coronation. Such a time had already long passed, several realizations were made among the Priests as they checked their numbers. For several weeks after the Colosseum was built production. It was realized that this was because of an increase in personnel morale, which caused ever more confusion among the Priests until they began monitoring the conversations of their menials. A great many of them talked about what was happening here. The rivalries that were forming and the guest appearances from several warriors from abroad. Everyone was talking about the match between the Fabricator General and his brother, and how they will never see anything like it ever again. It was after a year of its operations, after dozens of inquiries and studies, that the Colosseum was a powerful amenity that satisfied over half of the Forge World. As TalOS walked the star scorched halls he sensed a moment’s irony about that discovery. Many of the Priests began processing and comprehending numerical code when this was realized. Taking in the amount being paid to maintain the facility and how much it would cost for others. After cost benefit analysis was finished, it was realized that the Colosseum was cheaper than mass distribution of sedatives or crafted entertainment. This was the reason as TalOS looked around he noticed the sheer amount of artisandry that even the walls outside the main stadium had. As the Priesthood decided that Noble Combat was optimal that they should invest into it, and when Lucius does something they do not hold back. The group finally arrived at where they were walking, a small contingent of Astartes standing at attention waiting to receive their Primarch as well as meet the Steel Wardens who had been tailing their Primarch all the way here. They gave TalOS a nod and a data link, which told the Primarch that it was clear to enter the room without fear of any kind. +FINALLY!+ Shouted Trig as he threw himself on one of the nearby chairs and disabled the wristband that was on him, +My feet hurt.+ TalOS heard a small laugh coming from Vera as he walked over and took the star scorched, red striped chair.
TalOS took in the view of the crowd, the people more entertaining to the Primarch at the moment than anything that could be happening below. The time before the real event was set with numerous pieces of news distributed by the Priesthood, followed by executions and court ordered punishments to be carried out by the Skitarii. +I wonder what we will see today!+ exclaimed Trig as he sat himself in the chair correctly to see the proceedings. +Travel logs show that a large amount of Mega-Fauna have arrived on Lucius.+ Vera answered with information she gained from the numerous datavaults that TalOS had access to, +Fabricator General TalOS, I assume these creatures were not arriving for the Genetors.+ +A few of them were.+ TalOS told her as he watched the last few men be executed for Heresy against the Machine God, +Arch Genetor R3KT thought that a few of them could have helpful genecode for the purposes of grox rebuilding. It is an interesting idea, the idea that he could raise their intake to weight ratio from a null point three to a null point five would be a massive boon.+ +Really…+ There was the voice of sadness within the voice of Trig as he heard that, +Well, when I grow up, I will destroy creatures just like those! Just like the Knights I will cut them down for the good of people everywhere!+ +And you will get that chance.+ TalOS said while patting the kid on the head, +Your body just needs to grow a little bit more than we can start the gene-therapy.+ +Ohhhhhh…+ Trig languished in a manner TalOS realized only children could produce. +Don’t you worry.+ TalOS said while patting him on the head and rising from his seat, +Wait for a moment, I need to welcome the crowd.+ TalOS got a small nod from the kid as Vera took her place among the chairs. The Primarch linked his vox to the speakers that were all around him, which quickly caused everyone who could to look at him where he stood. “People of Lucius!” He roared throughout the Colosseum in a voice produced in his cogitators, not his personal vox speaker, “I welcome you all to another night of fighting and battles. I have the privilege today to be the Ruler of this event. As Ruler, I welcome the first battle within my domain tonight!” >Knight on Knight>Man Vs. Monster *Could be Knight or Normal Man*>Mass battle between convicts.
>>5444303>Knight on Knight
>>5444303>Knight on KnightSolaris time
>>5444023Thanks anon <3>The archive for thread 10 is up. Get voting faggotshttps://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=The%20Machine%20QM
>>5444303>Knight (mech) vs MonsterI want to entertain Trig's imagination, and also convince him to become a Knight (Pilot) himself. Far better than just being a super soldier ground infantry, he could project his field inside the security of a warform.
>>5444303>knight Vs. Monster (a kaiju like creature Magos Pterraxi discovered he sent it to the Lucius for study and the games.)
>>5444303>Knight (mech) vs Monster (Kaiju like creature)Fuck yes!https://youtu.be/jJQTWuVlp08
>>5444303>First a mass of convicts vs a monster that will slaughter them in a spectacular fashion. Then we release dozens of lesser monsters into the arena and send a Knight and soldiers in to slay them all.A knight bravely leading men against a monster and it's wretched horde would be cool. The convict battle against it at the start is partly to sate the audience's bloodlust and to build up the monster as actually deadly in their minds. The lesser monsters are released in so that there's stuff for the soldiers to kill.As for the soldiers, they're in the fight both to glorify the federal military and add to the grandeur of the battle, making it feel more real.
"TaloS knew, for a fact, that if they grew excited that failure"Fascinating, so Pariah's consumptions correlates with their excitement and emotional level, rather than the opposite. Useful. I love that our children act as normal children, Trig and Vera, and it's great they don't have to suppress their emotions to enhance their powers. The opposite even. And they seem so happy. Even if we have been a father away for long periods of time, I am glad they seem to have had as good an upbringing as we could give them. A life with purpose and faith, and I'm sure even the briefest of time spent with "Granduncle" Malcador was worth it. I hope they have good memories of Xana and the other null children we've been sending there.Best of all Trig is embracing his role and loves it. TalOS had good parents, so for what its worth, I think we can at least say he has been good parents to these two.
>>5444303>Knight on knight
>>5444303>Knight (mech) vs Monster (Kaiju like creature)
I am happy with this stuff. Got a piece wrong and broke a knife but managed to salvage it all
>>5444761Oh no, not the dreaded deldar pants battalion!Keep up the good work anon, I want to see how it's going to look finished
>>5444764That had me laughing, well done anon
https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=The%20Machine%20QMbe sure to vote you faggots
>>5444303>Knight on Knight.
>>5444303>>Mass battle between convicts.FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
TMQM, even if the vote is to focus on your writing, can it be fair to say the other options still occur just in the background? It would be nice to know. I want Mech vs Monster, but I also believe we would have mass convict battles anyway as an appetizer to the main show.
Welcome to the Lucian Federation, enjoy your homestyle corpse-starch and circuses...
>>5444841Just as the Machine God and the ancients intended.
>>5444303>Knight (mech) vs Monster>If possible: Convict fights as prelude
>>5444829It wouldn't be a proper Colosseum event without at least a few thousand convicts to start things off.
>>5444303>Knight (mech) vs Monster (Kaiju like creature)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUxJ8P3bH8k
Knight on Knight>>5444312>>5444316>>5444348>>5444624>>5444792Knight Vs. Mech (And Dead Convicts)>>5444334>>5444335>>5444351>>5444368>>5444671>>5444890>>5445008Convicts shall fight!>>5444799
>>5445056>(And Dead Convicts)Very based
>>5445056Also I take it you mean to say "Knight vs Monster"
>>5445078Yes, yes I did.
Upon the words of TalOS a nearby gate opened. From this gate several men walked out to the roar and applause of thousands who had the lucky chance of viewing this event. For a moment the entire field in front of them flickered to a blue color before the void shield disappeared again for the people watching. “Before you today stand the wicked and the accused. The men you have witnessed before held the honor and respect to prostrate themselves before the Machine God, these fools however did not.” TalOS announced as the group of men were testing out their guns. Among them was a series of men that were either dreadful murders or sycophants. A couple of them were even new Initiates into the Cult, but they were fools who ran aground of the Machine God’s doctrines. If TalOS remembered one of them even attempted to create an AI, which landed him into this damnable state. “These men of dishonor have been given unto the beasts. The Machine God no longer cares for them and as such they shall be fed to the beasts.” TalOS told the crowd as he gave the caveat, “But each of these men fight with the knowledge that if the Machine God grants them strength that they could potentially win. If such a mercy is given, then they shall be let go.” As TalOS said these words another of the massive gates opened with the Colosseum shaking somewhat with each step. Everyone turned to look at the massive collard monster that gave a beastial roar. “Before you all stands the Mega-Fauna of B-45-76, recognized as a Ruptsarian.” TalOS said to the group as the beast gave another roar, “Today, with the grace of Arch Explorator Pterraxi, we shall see just one of the many horrors that fight against us in the Galaxy.” With those words the creature roared while giving charge. It was a massive creature that was covered in razor sharp blades. It ran on all fours but when it reached some of the convicts the front pat of the creature wrapped them in a deathly embrace. Like some kind of carnal machine the men were turned into ribbons with a tug of the death-beast’s front arms. The men all around the creature began shooting at it with the last rifles and autoguns that they had when they were captured. TalOS could hear Trig cheering on the Mega-Fauna as it turned fellow men into pieces of flesh. As everyone watched the creature took one of the ribboned pieces with its mouth and ate the piece without chewing. As seen here, TalOS learned that these creatures lacked any teeth due to the massive spikes on their body already processing the food for them.
“Brutal.” Vera said as she looked down upon the dead and dying with a scoff, “Those are the kind of creatures we must fight?” “In time, yes.” TalOS admitted to her as he glanced at the last remaining convicts, a Tech Priest and Serial Killer, attempting a last stand. The Priest managed to produce a Plasma pistol that sheared into the creature’s eye, but that was not enough to stop it from rushing over towards him, “The Galaxy is a dangerous place.” Vera was silent after that, instead taking the time to study the magnificent creature in all its bloodied glory. TalOS noticed that whatever color the creature was before did not matter now, for it was bloodied by the numerous pieces of corpse that now covered its flesh. With a sickening and practiced motion it reached over to lick one of the corpses from a spike, leading it into a toothless maw. Where once there was a cheering crowd now the people were looking upon the creature with disgust. The creature before them was indeed a creature that had no qualms with humanity and was indeed one of their great enemies. It was at this moment that TalOS rose to meet the crowd. “People of the Federation, while the creature has exacted upon the heretics the wrath we all feel, it does not carry with it the wrath of the Machine God.” TalOS said as the monster began prowling around to examine the crowd that were looking upon it, “That is the reason we expand across the sector and the Emperor of Man wages his war, to rid us of this filth.” With those words the creature gave a roar to the crowd. It began to prowl and lick the blood off its spikes as it prepared itself for the next fight. As it did so another pair of doors opened to release out onto the field a series of smaller versions of that creature, each of them tearing into the flesh of the dead with razor sharp limbs. “But we, the Federation, are not like these fools. For we have the Machine God on our side!” Upon that announcement a gate began to open. Each of the monstrous creatures that were about the battlefield began to back up as heavy mechanical hydraulics walked into the arena. Decorated in bright red and gold colors the Knight Gallant looked out upon the people with a Ruler’s prominence. Just as he walked out two squads of Skitarii came out into the battlefield. One group equipped with the Shock Maul and Shields of the Secarii and the others were Skitarii Rangers given their Galvanic weapons. The Noble Knight raised his chainsword into the air causing the crowd to go wild with righteous fury. As they did TalOS announced, “Count Vlassis, show them the might of the Machine God!”
Upon command the Knight blared his horn, causing the creatures to do the same and begin the attack. The creatures were closing the space between man and monster fast. These monsters were after all from a Death World, and as such had to have both speed and lethality in order to live. Before they could gain much distance though the Knight brought his weapon down like an instructor, causing the Skitarii Rangers to release a volley of gunfire into the rushing beasts. The creatures before them quickly began falling upon the ground. Their hides, while well armored, did not help them against the piercing force of their Mechanical foe. It was after the second volley that the Knight decided it was time to charge. The roar of his engines and blaring of his horn caused the entire crowd to cheer him on as the two massive things came at one another. TalOS looked over to see even Vera looking upon the battle with immense interest. When the Knight made contact the massive machine went in for a nice punch into the creature’s chest. The monster quickly being thrown around as the immense strength of the metal behemoth turned a variety of different organs into a comfortable paste within the monster’s body. Just as he was impacting the smaller children of the massive monster made contact with the Shield equipped Skitarii. The men on the floor struggled to keep back the bladed limbs from themselves in a series of ways, such as putting the shield in one direction while bashing the limbs with the shock maul. At that moment the massive one finally got a chance to fight back, swinging a limb in just a way that it latched onto a Knights Pauldron and brought him in for the death hug it gave so many others. In that second there was tension on the action. TalOS could not feel it, but he could see it on everyone’s faces with the perception gifted to him by the Machine Spirits. But TalOS knew what would happen. The sound of a chainsword began to cry throughout the field as the monster gave the greatest scream a mortal man could imagine. Everyone watched as the Chainsword raptured from the Ruptsarian’s back, and in the next second the weapon was yanked across the sternum riping an entire side out of the creature’s torso. At the same moment the Skitarii blocking the attacks were given a second’s chance to fall back. This gave those behind them, the Rangers, with clear shots to kill the offspring with a double salvo. The Knight placed a single foot on the top of the creature as it raised a bloodied chainsword into the air, causing the entire Colosseum to roar in triumph. >>Anyone have a name for this city. >Walk around the city>Go have some dinner in a more upscale restaurant. >Visit the Knight and the Skitarii Victors
>>5445084>Visit the Knight and the Skitarii VictorsI'm voting for Solaris as the name because it's near the colosseum. My excuse is that it's named in honor of the sun inside Lucius, and totally not a reference to a different franchise.
>>5445084>Name for this city:>Forgespire Solaris>Named after the hidden sun of Lucius, famed for its gigantic Colloseum and the grand Federal Senate buildingAll of Lucius is one big industrial metropolis, so I gather "city" means spire in this case>Visit the Knight and the Skitarii Victors>WRITE-IN: Look around if there are any Knights we can send to Xana willing to take a few Blanks as squires, and for our son Trig.They will need to have souls of steel to survive the presence of Xana. It obviously cannot be the Princes because they will be busy with exploration on our behalf
>>5445084>City-Name: Solaris>Visit the Knight and the Skitarii Victors>Write-In: Find knights for our children to squire under and other blanks on XanaNull Knights please. Vera can become one too if she wants, unless she wants to be some other kind of fighter
>>5445084>Go have some dinner in a more upscale restaurant.Tigris after the only gladiator to never lose
>>5445084>City-Name: Spire Solaris>Ask some Knights to make Trig and Vera squires, and others to go to Xana>We could do this over dinner (at an upscale restaurant)That's twice QM has mentioned eating dinner, maybe wants to show off the progress Lucius has made in the culture department. I think it's reasonable to say we could invite some of the victorious knights to dinner yes?As the capital planet we're entertaining hive nobles and some of the wealthiest dynasties across the realm, even perhaps the Imperium at large. I bet its Federation style dining. With expertly trained servants and gold plated bionics.
>>5445084>Walk around the city
>>5445215I want it to be a 'common day' sorta situation. SO whats more common than eating?
>>5445257Do you prefer our votes to focus only on that? It does sound like Trig would be ecstatic over the idea of defeating monsters like the knights as a pilot.
>>5445268Not really, honestly its there because I could not think of anything else. If you think of a cool activity to do with the kids let us know!
>>5445283here's some ideas.>going through Tal0S's personal zoo. (so many species so many useful genetic samples.>going to a mechanics arcade like Uzi did in her childhood (they better have not!dawn of war 1&2)>Going and watch some children's holofilms
>>5445084>Name for this city: Forgespire Solaris>Go have some dinner in a more upscale restaurant. >restaurant is Wendy's... they use real meat Gimme gimme chicken tendies, Be they crispy or from Wendys. Spend my hard-earned good-boy points, on Kid's Meal ball pit burger joints.
>>5445084>>Go have some dinner in a more upscale restaurant.we better go to THE upscale restaurant but I fear there won't be any chairs... how can we find decent chairs? In fact, you think we will be able to enter the building at all if it is in a highrise location
>>5445438It wouldn't be anywhere near a proper upscale 40k/sci fi noble restaurant if every booth was not the size of a feudal feast table, able to accommodate everything from the noble who intentionally keeps himself fat as a status symbol carried around upon his hover chair, to high ranking Archmagos or allied Fabricator General who has become one with his Abeyant. The best Lucian restaurant, held to the standards of ancient Terra and wealthy Manachea, would surely have its VIP booth specifically a throne set for TalOS size and grandeur.Also pretty much on every Primarch touched planet, they made Primarch sized chairs for such occasions. In unremembered empire it was noted how Roboute specifically designed a particular room where the small chairs of mortals would be up front, the bigger chairs of space marines in the middle, and his gigantic chair far off in the back, but in such a way via visual illusion that everyone's chair seemed to be the same size, a bit like the "Round Table" type deal.Ferrus Manus had his big throne in the feast hall on Fenris too. At some point as we get larger and larger, our booth may become less a Throne and more a space to park our dreadnought sized form. Just like the post indomitus Fabricator General when they attend the Terran Council, their full form is the size of a building and carried via mass lifter, and there's a huge tunnel for it just outside the council chambers, and a space for the tank that contains his organic body to stick through Dune Navigator style.
>>5445489*Leman Russ on FenrisFerrus almost certainly was not into feasting
>>5445385I'd love to see Tal0s going to a movie and munching on pop-starch with the kids
>>5445495Him going to watch the little servitor that could, an inspiring tale of servitor dutifully a facility under attack alone after all the other were destroyed.
>>5445385All of these sound fun>>5445496When Land discovers his Land's Raider, the film "Fury" will be about a brave machine spirit that fought against an Ork warband long after its space marine crew had died.
>>5445084>Name for this city: Forgespire Solaris>Go have some dinner in a more upscale restaurant>Ask Trig and Vera if they want to be esquired and become Null Knight pilotsWe could go for a more private affair, just us and our children enjoying dinner.Inviting the victors to dine in the restaurant is a good idea at least. Perhaps Trig can even point which one he thinks was the most impressive and want to esquire for.
Dinner>>5445736>>5445594>>5445438>>5445407>>5445215>>5445120Walk around the city>>5445223Visit the Gladiators>>5445098>>5445090>>5445088I think I got it.
>>5445878I wonder what's for dinner
>>5445884I'm so hungry I could eat a Mega Grox
>>5445489Yes yes Talos, your bloatness we have a table and chair just for you
+That was so cool!+ Shouted Trig as the smell of cooked meat welcomed them, +He cut right through it! As it was attacking him!+ +The Count showed himself to be very skilled with a blade and also knowing what his Knight can take.+ TalOS said as he picked up some meat for himself to eat, +He is just one of the many warriors among the Knights of Dutonis. Know this Trig, he is just one warriors in a force now cresting a thousand.+ The Child’s eyes widened as he heard those words, +Amazing.+ +Lucius is currently slotted to create fifty of their Chassis this year, right?+ Vera asked as she bit into her own meal. +Yes it is. Dread the day when we will start losing a vast amount of them to attrition, but at this moment we do not need to worry about such things and simply help the Knights swell their numbers.+ TalOS said as he took a bite out of a genetically modified grox, +Where did you learn that?+ +The Artisans at the Star Forge were talking about it.+ She pointed out as the meal continued, +Discussion was around who shall have the honor to create such Machines, and that you awarded that to Magos N3K1S.+ +I had not awarded that directly to him, but the Arch Artisan likely invoked my name to give that honor.+ TalOS pointed out as he looked upon Vera with a small bit of curiosity, +But you have become able to ease drop upon those of the Priesthood?+ The girl stopped her meal for a moment before lowering her head, +I am sorry Fabricator General, I did not mean to. I did not mean to violate the privacy of the Adepts.+ +I have no issue with it.+ TalOS admitted as he thought back to the data djinn that still roams about Mars, +What I care more is how you were able to do it.+ +U-understood.+ She recovered herself from a near prostration, +I believe it is because they did not have the proper augmentations to detect me.+ TalOS took a moment to think. The Psi-Scanners would have easily learned of Vera’s presence, but also a standard auspex would. But that was not the most interesting thing, for above all TalOS realized that the men likely did not have a feeling they were being eavesdropped on. The Primarch took another second to rationalize the possibility, that the adepts did not get the feeling that they were being watched so did not activate active countermeasures. Such a thing must be a quirk of blanks for they are invisible to the warp.
The meal continued with everyone taking a sample of the meat before them. TalOS knew that while Corpse Starch was immensely nutritious it did not taste the best. It was this that he suspected caused a lowering of morale among the workshops. Such was the reason they were here, +Does everyone enjoy Grox-165?+ +Yes!+ Trig announced as he took another fork full. VEra simply gave the Primarch a nod to answer his question. +Does it have anything you two would describe as a funny taste? Such as a lingering taste or chemical tange?+ TalOS questioned again as he looked upon them. +Nope.+ Trig said as he continued digging into the meal. Vera looked upon TalOS for a quizzical moment, +Is this one of your experiments?+ +Yes.+ TalOS admitted as he glanced around the room of the numerous human nobles enjoying their meals, +This is the first roll out of Grox-165 from the testing slabs. I wanted to be on sight to see if anyone voices any complaints about it.+ Upon those words TalOS looked around the room at the numerous people who were eating. A great many of them were testing out the meat the Genetor crafted. Such reason was simple, before arriving at this establishment TalOS had given them the meat and ordered them to make a special out of it. They could not ignore the demands of the Fabricator General, so they had. +So…+ TalOS noticed that Vera had transferred them to a private line now, +You are testing to see whether humans used to higher-end foods will accept it?+ +Yes!+ TalOS told her with a grin knowing that the girl was catching on fast, +Normal folk might not notice a change but these people might and issue a complaint about it. Something like this is better for field testing than simply inviting workers into my office.+ To that Vera gave a small nod but had to ask, +Do you not notice the changes in taste?+ The Primarch gave a shrug of the arms as he heard those words, +I can only describe eating it as odd. With every bite I experience every piece of modification placed upon the genome and thus it becomes a review of my own work. Thus I do not think my senses are useful when determining if this should be given to one of the Agri-Worlds.+
+Oh, I see.+ Vera said as she went solemn for a moment. +Thank you for the meal Dad!+ Trig said as he took another bite of the meal. Taking a glance TalOS could see the almost horrified face on Vera as the little boy spoke such kind words. +You’re welcome, do well in your training and we will head out more.+ The Primarch said to give a small incentive to future improvement. +I will!+ He cheered with a knife raised into the air. Vera quickly had a mechanrite over and forced him to lower it before any more attention was brought to them. They continued until the meal was finished, TalOS enjoying these moments before he had to get back to planet crafting. As not a single complaint, and even some compliments, were made the Primarch knew it was ready for distribution. It was as they were finishing up TalOS got a message over the Noospheric Network. Now TalOS had been answering these almost the entire time they were sitting here, taking in messages to give people asking for things or trying to get permissions. But this one was different, it was a message from the Astropaths. TalOS quickly opened the package and saw what the Psykers had given him. The next moment TalOS did not know if his heart should leap or if he should start heading out now. Fabricator General TalOS. New from the Imperium is that the 3rd Primarch, Filgrim, has been found on the planet of Chemos by the Imperium.>Have an invite sent to the Primarch to come visit>Head right over to meet the fellow>Use this as an excuse to head over to Terra and Maybe Xana>Issue a welcome to the Primarch.
>>5445908When you are the second or third richest man in the galaxy, you are obligated to flaunt it.
>>5445912>Have an invite sent to the Primarch to come visit
>>5445912>Have an invite sent to the Primarch to come visitwe are stupid busy (even if I do want to see UZ1 again)
>>5445912>Have an invite sent to the PrimarchEven with the head start our lightning campaign has given us, let's use every minute we can. Roboute isnt going to best himself for biggest empire.
>>5445912>>Have an invite sent to the Primarch to come visitLet's gauge this fella. He is a latecommer. I wonder if he would dare come here and understand there is plenty of profit in responding to this summons. Of course, if this were mobster rule or king-vassal thing such an invitation would be insulting because you can't just "call" for your equal like they were another serf or goon under your command.Anyway if this vote comes through we better think of something nice to prepare and gift!!1!
>>5445966He did get a fancy volkite in canon. Maybe we can one up that.
>>5445911Its neat that TAL0S has taken animal eugenics and the culinary arts as a hobby. He's right too, the average worker biting into a juicy grox steak would probably think of the moment for the rest of their short lives. But nobles from our hives with superior bodies and maybe luxury cybernetics like taste boosters would be able to judge the quality.I think this is perhaps the first time a Primarch has contributed to cooking.
>>5445912>Use this as an excuse to head over to Terra and Maybe Xana
>>5445912>Have an invite sent to the Primarch to come visitI am gonna be honest here, but i don't think he is very likely to take our offer up, after all a lot of shit went down for Fulgrim after he was found, so he might not have the time.
mmm yes ai art
>>5446222I like the moon, it reminds me how the sumerians saw their moon god as being horned and related to bulls because the crescent moon kinda looks like horns
The Primarch had to think about the situation he was in and what it would entail. To see another of his brothers arrive the Primarch would be a great time the Primarch realized. But it was an issue of time in the end. If he was to delay anything within the Federation it might send them back several months or years, meaning a large decrease in the gross domestic product. So, for this moment, TalOS reached over and gave an order. He would invite the Primarch to his realm if the Demi-God was willing to do so. It was up in the air if he would arrive or not, as TalOS studied the records to find that the third Legion was on the brink of destruction as of late. So maybe he will have time away from war long enough to see TalOS, but he still doubted it. With the message sent TalOS finished the meal that was before him. He looked over to see Trig trying his best to mimic the Knight they saw earlier with his knife. +Do not play with utensils as if they are weapons.+ TalOS informed the child with a small laugh. The boy looked for a moment of fear before placing the knife on the table and mumbled, +Sorry.+ +I want each of you to focus on your lessons here in the next few days.+ TalOS said as he moved an empty plate, +Tomorrow the Assembly meets so I will not be around the workshop.+ +Understood.+ Vera said with the same coldness TalOS expected of her. +I will make you proud!+ Cheered Trig as he raised a fist into the air, +I’ll beat my instructor!+ +If he allows it.+ TalOS joked as he knew the Marshalls were not novices in the least, +If something comes up, inform me through the Noosphere.+ TalOS received a series of affirmations to those words which allowed him to settle for the night.
Unlike the First Assembly so long ago the chambers were filled with the corresponding amount of people that were slated for today. A few of them were Dukes of Dutonis, whose worlds have either yet to form, live on a more local planet, or still hold property on Dutonis. These men proudly championed the colors of their houses, with the most prominent combination belonging to the Houses of Borgius and Navarros, as expected. All of them had some form of red on though, so signify their service in the Reconquista. If TalOS understood their people correctly this was a requirement among them at this point, to have served in such great wars to walk among the Assembly. After them were the Tech Priests, their number equal to the Knights. Many of those present were natives of Lucius and others representing entire star systems. It was about a half half among them, which did cause some issues among the Priests as whatever might benefit Lucius does not benefit those on the outskirts. There were also some fighters of the Reconquista among them, but a few of the Lucian residents could not display their color of honor. Among them were a few of Lucius’s higher ups. For today Arch Magos K0LT saw fit to be present, as well as Arch Genetor R3KT. After them were lastly the Nobles, standard humans who are high up upon their planets and saw the ability to arrive here. “For the next matter…” TalOS looked at the docket to see what was available, “Magos 3KL4R wishes to place a complaint onto the floor. You have permission to speak.” “Thank you Fabricator General.” The Priest said as he rose up from his position, “I have reason to believe that some of the technologies of the Mechanicus have began to be mimicked and bastardized by the people on these planets. We have attempted to destroy them before, but the native Enforcers of Law have been found wanting.” Upon those words TalOS noticed a few of those from the Nobles group taking issue, but TalOS wanted to know more first, “And what is it they are commiting?” “The worst they are commiting in a Technique known as Cell Draining, a bastardized attempt at rejuvenation treatments that leaves the harvested dead. It is a gross practice as it kills many able bodied workers and ruins the planet’s demographics.+ Pointed out the Priest, +After that I have the understanding that mock Servitor crafting has taken place as well, which causes similar issues including the deaths of many sinless workers.”
TalOS gave a nod as he heard those words. Within a moment he turned towards the individual who was first to speak, a Nobleman from Tyris, “You may speak Majister Elcor.” “Thank you Fabricator General.” the man said as he rose, “Magos 3KL4R, we do not need additional enforcement upon our world. While I cannot deny the horrors and waste of these… acts… they are few and far between! It does not warrant the need for Skitarii to join the Enforcers. It is too much for a situation that I believe can be resolved with investment.” “Elcor, it is your planet that has been one of the offenders in this.” Pointed out the Priest, “Even if it was as small as you imagine the issue is, the practice is a gross use of the Machine God’s resources. It is not though, ten thousand have been lost due to these practices.” “Ten thousand is not that many, honored Magos.” the noble said as he looked on in confusion, “I do not understand why you think these numbers are large.” “Any resource lost due to incompetence and subterfuge is a travesty to the Machine God.” pointed out the Tech Priest with a bark. “Hold on the debate, another wishes to speak.” TalOS declared as he turned towards another Priest, “Magos Ketter, you may speak.” “Thank you Fabricator General.” the Priest said as he turned to the crowd, “I wish to place my support in favor of sending only aid. We do not need to stretch the Legio Skitarii thin by turning them into Enforcers for other worlds. It might be just as much a waste of resources as having those people die.” “Then we simply disagree on factors.” Pointed out the Magos from Lucius, “I wish it said that I believe the investment will be very beneficial, and I leave that case.” As they finished speaking TalOS had to think. If he was not mistaken Tyris was a planet that joined Lucius more for the fact they were uniting man than the amenities they provided. As for the larger scale, it was a power grab by the Magos of Lucius to stop the Tech Heresy being committed upon these worlds. TalOS could only guess those from the colonies feel that if the Skitarii are used like this, than what stops the Federation from sending the same Skitarii to their worlds. >We will stop such a dreadful practice with Skitarii *-1 Nobles +1 Priest*>Investment into existing enforcement will be useful long term, *Net Neutral*>We cannot waste any resources on such a small amount of people *-1 Priest +1 Noble*
>>5446669I don’t know if we can make a write-in, but here i go!>Institute the creation of a new internal government agency: The Federated Agency of Technological-, Cultural-, Non-ordained and Unregulated-Technologies and Sciences (FATCUNTS) This would be an internal agency that would be under the direct control of the Federation government which would act very much like any other internal spy agency (FBI, MI5 and others) with a focus on ensuring that no heretical technologies, cultures or sciences arise in our territory. Can’t have independent researchers and engineers profane our holy mission after all!
>>5446700Oops, switch around Non-ordained and Unregulated.... (else it will spell FATCNUTS)
>>5446669>We will stop such a dreadful practice with Skitarii *-1 Nobles +1 Priest*
>>5446700Ditto, sounds sick, our own personal Tech-Inquisition
>>5446669>We will stop such a dreadful practice with Skitarii *-1 Nobles +1 Priest*We need these priest points
>>5446702If you remove the cultural ot become fatnuts, so it still works.
>>5446669>We will stop such a dreadful practice with Skitarii *-1 Nobles +1 Priest*Can you put our current reputaion with the factions whenever you give us options that increase or decrease it.
>>5446752Eh, i will leave that up to the QM
>>5446669backing this >>5446700
>>5446700In doing this, should we still side with Nobles or the Priests here?Also will this be a replacement for the The Prefecture Magisterium, or a supplement to them?>The Prefecture Magisterium - Doctrinal covenant of the Machine Cult charged with preserving dogma and the persecution of techno-heresy. Magisterium Cohorts and hunter-killer claves are maintained on all Forge Worlds under the authority of the planet's Archmagos Intendant.Perhaps the FATCUNTS could be the secular department, while the Prefecture Magiesterium is the religious department. Bit of Ordo Hereticus/Ordo Malleus type deal.
>>5446669>Investment into existing enforcement will be useful long term, *Net Neutral*>Fluff addition: The Federal Agency of Technological, Cultural, Non-Ordained and Unregulated Technologies. A secular arm that works alongside the religious Prefecture Magisterium#1 it's silly to send Skitarii, a specialist branch of the military, to deal with internal domestic affairs. You don't send the Imperial Guard to do an Arbiters or Inquisitors job.#2 I believe we should for now, try to earn Priest Points not by subtracting them from nobles but in other ways. Because we're going to eventually subtract from the nobles massively once we really turn on the crank for converting mass populace to thralls, soldiers and servitors. Our appetite for hive citizens will be voracious.We should actually consider ways to get them from Knights at times, because it will be a lot easier to please the Knights given the amount of investments we have and can still do for them. We've given them glory at the colosseum, and outlet for expansion and exploration. Save that good Noble rep for when we need it, which will be soon when we slow down from building and turn to cranking out troops by the millions.
>>5446858I see the FATCUNTS as being a supplement to the institutions we already have, but simply under the control of the Assembly of our Federation, with TalOS being the De Facto head of the organization until we can find a good advisor we can trust to do the job (Much like the original purpose of the FBI). What our organization will be in the religious department is a bit up in the air in my opinion.On one hand: i would like for them to atleast follow the 16 truths of the Mechanicus.On the other hand: having a diverse group of people doing this would give them unique insight and perspective that the other option wouldn't have.All in all, i don't have a concrete opinion about how secular or faithful our organization should be, only that it is 100% loyal and competent.
>>5446669>Admonish both sides for being short-sighted *Net Neutral*>Priests should be providing easy access to high quality custom servitors and rejuvenants for our nobles>The Nobles should focus on increasing pop growth quotas, sending them to us so we can servitorize and extract rejuvenants efficiently to best effectThis is clearly gross negligence on both sides. The nobles should not have resorted to constructing inferior servitors and bastardized life extensions, and the priests shouldn't have compelled them to do so by ensuring they have access to servitors and controlled, organized transfer of life extension from their human produce with minimal waste. Let them focus instead on growing their populace, and leave extraction to us.Solve both their problems.
>>5447005>>SupportThis is a brilliant response. Why are they making shitty servitors and crudely draining the life out of their hive serfs when we could do it for them but better? Make it a reward system based on the number of people they send regularly to our armies and factories. This will ncentivize them to ensure maximum pop growth so we can keep giving them servitors and life extensions.
>>5446669>>5447005I see this as the most efficient and logical course of action.
Wow, this is problematic. I am not sure if we can call it heresy outright because they are using sanctified technology the way it was intended. Even if it is wicked.What gives me great concern is that the nobles are a threat to the Priests monopoly on the technology and THAT is something that concerns us. If we allow the nobles to continue then they will develop heretek.>>We will stop such a dreadful practice with Skitarii *-1 Nobles +1 Priest*Deploying our elite forcescompared to astra militarum infantry of course for this task is an inadecuate waste of resource, I know. But this not about numbers. This is about sending a message.
>>5447082ack forgot to add>Support
Cell draining is stem cells?
>>5447005>SupportIt stops being "wasteful deaths" if it becomes "organized and planned extractions" that encourages Hives to boost population gains. Use the undesirables: workers that have fallen behind on their quotas, convicts and criminals, political dissidents, etc.
>>5447005I will support this, But I want the noble houses to know that if any more is caught doing tech heresy, then trouble is going to start.
>>5447005>SupportDamn right if they wanted to servitor their workers and squeeze the life out of them, all they had to do was ask. Offer us the commoners to do it for them - if they produce more than they are spending on custom servants and life extension, the priests are able to get more human bodies for their own servitors and factories, we get more for our armies, and everyone wins.They need to prioritize population for the planned Tech-Thrall legions anyway, their entire job of being hive lords is to manage our human factories.
>>5446865>Switch to>>5447005>SupportCan't believe I didn't think of that, great idea. I hope we can still create the FATCUNTS(tm) with this, just to make sure there's no more repetitions of tech heresy.Nobles with all their wealth should be able to buy nothing but the best from their local Mechanicum.
>>5447005This will not be a net neutral, I need to figure out what it would be though. By giving in like this, you will be releasing the Nobles of a large amount of leverage in the form of their lifespans. And you are not gonna beat the black market trade unless you subsidize the process.
>>5447510Wait, so does it make -Nobles +Priests, +Nobles --Priests, or something else?Anyway I already voted on another ID and I'm keeping it as is>>5446750
>>5447514Nevermind, you said you still need to figure it out.>>5447510What would this one be?>>5446700
>>5447514I cannot say, honestly it might be a -Noble because of the raw power lost on them. Those who might be deviants but were held in line financially are no longer tied so closely. In the end losing leverage has a much worse impact than satisfying Nobles in the short term. >>5447519I was gonna roll that into the 'Stop Dreadful Practices' but it is a more veiled attempt at it.
>>5447522Oh, so it's a plan that only loses us points without really giving anything back.It's better than what I thought, that it would be a -Noble -Priest for trying to lecture them. I guess shoving your emotions in a box and seeing things as mathematical efficiency helps deal with wounded pride.
>>5447527The only thing is I cannot see a positive to it, which was the reason I did not put it forward. While this is a economic issue its one caused out of necessary practices. Maybe +1 to Knights since they get cheap shit and go to war longer?
I finished priming my lackeys!!!
>>5447541I was wondering why you sent a sandwich.
>>5447535No, no, the sandwich is a obviously camouflaged deldar barge. A devious plan>>5447541Looking good, do you already have a colour scheme in mind?
>>5447510Nobles are supposed to live very long lifespans anyway. It's what we did promise them way back at Halemat and even before that, it's just a 40k thing. >And you are not gonna beat the black market trade unless you subsidize the process.I think that's the implication. We want to take over the processes so its both controlled, and higher quality. Sure they lose leverage, but they get a better product as the outcome. All we want is for them to produce the bodies to afford it.Do you need a separate vote for that?
>>5447556No, since I kinda assume this is the subsidizing of it.
>>5447550And here's the proof of my claim.
>>5447510This is fair. It would be very shameful for a black market to be producing better quality products than us, so stamping it out through subsidies is for the best.It's the reason the alcohol industry and resultant taxes from the sale of alcohol are so profitable and nobody bothers to buy moonshine anymore. Why would you buy some crap someone brewed in a backyard and sells from their garage instead of something good and reliable you can get at the store?
>>5447567Here's a lighter version, 4 mb for a shitty meme edit is way too much
>>5447532>The only thing is I cannot see a positive to itFrom what I'm reading:>The Priests are unhappy because the processes of servitorization and life extension are being bastardized, which goes against their traditions, and because the way they do it is inefficient and wasteful>The Nobles would be unhappy if we just told them to stop making their own servitors and extracting lifeSo the idea is to just ensure they get good custom servitors and that we oversee the process of cell extraction so it's done as efficiently and with as low waste as possible. The servitors are made up to Mechanicus standards, and the Cell Extraction is done effectively, rather than being the bastardized black market versions. The Nobles get what they want (servitors and more life) and the priests know that their standards are being upheld.Shouldn't that satisfy both of them?
>>5447586Incorrect on the Nobles>Nobles don't want to be told exactly what to do and don't want Troops on their planets at all times (Reason I used Tread on Me joke). The issue is you are giving them really nothing too special. The scarcity of the product is in the advantage of Lucius, which criminal organizations (Not the nobles directly) are circumventing.
>>5447591This seems a bit more like two separate issues that just happen to coincide. Artificial scarcity isn't a very good advantage in the long run. Anons analogy >>5447569 to the alcohol industry is accurate. When prohibition occurred, criminal gangs profited massively on the sale of alcohol and all it did was make everyone who drank a criminal. When prohibition was removed, and alcohol became abundant again, the gangs lost alcohol as a source of power and wealth.Our nobles should not be sending people to criminals to become life extensions or servitors when we could be provide that service for them legally. Servitors should be made abundant anyway because they are an important backbone of our industry.The part about not wanting troops on their planet, if their planet is behind the front lines, that's also not so good because Skitarii should be freed up to continue expansion efforts. The Skitarii are not a policing organization, they are soldiers. We should still have oversight for any further tech heresy. Things like FATCUNTS or Prefecture Magisterium agents.Would this work for a solution?>Tell the nobles we will be creating and reinforcing regulation agencies (FATCUNTS and Prefecture Magisterium) to oversee Techheresy, rather than troops>Subsidize the servitors and the cell extractions to Mechanicus standards, to satisfy the priests.>Worries about the loss of manpower will be mitigated by the Nobles being mandated to population quotas to ensure a net positiveIf we lose -1 with the nobles so be it. But it does sound like we should still get +1 with the Techpriests because we do solve their concerns about the bastardization of the processes.
>>5447607Yes this will, since the Priests will enjoy their personal Inquisition.
>>5447607If QM greenlights this, then i will Support it!
>>5447607I like this, but in the end I voted for the skitarri action to get those priests points, but since Pert's number 1 fan's idea plus yours have the same political result but done in a diffrent way that I kind of like more, you have my support.
>>5446669>Investment into existing enforcement will be useful long term, *Net Neutral*
So let me try to count, a lot of anons are vote and dump, which is bad when a write-in appear but doesn't have the result it was planning, but maybe with a tally more will change.The Lucian Inquisition (Prefecture Magisterium or FATCUNTS/FATNUTS) / Send the Skitarri (Since QM said he would count as the same thing)>>5446700>>5446718>>5446721>>5446750 >>5447614 (Both are me, so it counts as one vote)>>5446792>>5446846>>5447083>>5447607Not going to work as advertised (-1 Nobles +0 Priests +0 Knights)>>5447005>>5447076>>5447084>>5447123>>5447392>>5447497Neutral>>5447622
>>5447628I mean, I was not gonna run Lucian Inquisition and the other as the same, as they are not. One is troops, the other is an Inquisitor.
>>5447628QM clarified that the revised plan >>5447607 would get us +1 with Priests and -1 with Nobles.It really feels like we're mostly trying to achieve the same things, but the difference is the original plan of >>5447005 doesn't mention the inquisition.>>5447631QM things are getting muddled here but if we were to support the plan that includes the inqusition and also keeps the nobles incentivized for pop growth and subsidies of servitors/life extensions do you want us to keep doing the >Switch to >>(post number) voting style?
>>5447550I do have a scheme yes. I scheme a lot muahahaha In fact the friend who introduced me to the hobby practially made me study color theory and reference whatever colors I had in mind... let me see if I have the scheme handy>armor base: Wraithbone>armor layer: Rojo Denso (vallejo's acrylic)I tried really really hard to look for something that wasn't purple or black for my deldar and I came up with this one that inspired my scheme https://taleofpainters.com/2022/03/tutorial-how-to-paint-aeldari-voidscarred-corsairs-from-kill-team-nachmund/ it has a stupid seventeen colors or something FOR THE CAPEAnyway, back to the main attraction, QM's game... I'll update once I paint something the damn shipment is late
>>5447123>>Switch my vote to the revised plan >>5447607We should stick with QM's preferred voting style unless otherwise mentioned. And honestly the revised plan has the best of both worlds, inquisition, servitors+life extension for nobles, and skitarii are able to be redeployed to the expansion efforts.
>>5447648At the end of the day you fellows are muddying it up yourselves trying to get a better deal. I don't blame you for trying, but I'm not gonna let you fellows do something that I already thought about and discarded because you think its clever. In the end the Inquisition idea is probably the best to be made, which can most arguably not step on too many toes. Its purpose is obvious and not a terrible powergrab, as they only pertain to tech heresy. I will think on it.
>>5447662Pretty sure no one here actually supports keeping the Skitarii on the hive worlds instead of inquisition anyway, the vote just touched on separate issues so different solutions were aimed at them but mostly compatible ideas.I'm positive that if the end result is:>Tech-Inquisition happens>Skitarii are free from police duties>The nobles still get servitors and life extensions>population growth encouraged>criminals lose influence from legal subsidies>end result is least at a gain for the priestsIt would satisfy most anons.
>>5447607>Tell the nobles we will be creating and reinforcing regulation agencies (FATCUNTS and Prefecture Magisterium) to oversee Techheresy, rather than troops.>Subsidize the servitors and the cell extractions to Mechanicus standards, to satisfy the priests.>Worries about the loss of manpower will be mitigated by the Nobles being mandated to population quotas to ensure a net positive. I think this is an acceptable answer but I have a question, shouldn't the sacred worlds already be using artificial wombs? I'm not talking about cloning, I'm talking about a tube to accelerate the growth of an already fertilized embryo. As far as I know there is no rule against adopting such a practice at 30k. Servitors production shouldn't be a problem, the nobles in theory could compete with the numbers coming out of the red forges in the first place.
>>5447672I was under the impression it was or will be the hive worlds who will send the bulk of the subjects that will become factory servitors for the forgeworlds anyway. If the forge worlds want to contribute even more with Womb Vitae like Krieg all the better.We can never have too few bodies, and never have too many servitors.
>>5447631I did it because you said it here>>5447522>I was gonna roll that into the 'Stop Dreadful Practices' but it is a more veiled attempt at it.
>>5447648I think the revised plan is closer to Pert's original idea than the original write-in.I can recount with every single incarnation though. Also since the revised is so different, I thing people should only count towards it if explicitly stated.
>>5447076>>Switch my vote to>>5447607>Tell the nobles we will be creating and reinforcing regulation agencies (FATCUNTS and Prefecture Magisterium) to oversee Techheresy, rather than troops>Subsidize the servitors and the cell extractions to Mechanicus standards, to satisfy the priests.>Worries about the loss of manpower will be mitigated by the Nobles being mandated to population quotas to ensure a net positiveI dont want to see the ""dreadful"" practices stopped. The thing dreadful about them is they are letting 2nd rate criminals do what a 1st rate techpriest could do better. As long as the nobles are making more people on their hives than they are spending in servitors and life extraction, who cares. It's even better if in doing this we encourage them to make more people to ensure steady access.
>>5446750Changing my vote to>>5447607>SupportI did this because I noticed I didn't properly vote while recounting
>>5447628Ok, I tried counting again, this time separating each optionSkitari (-1 Noble +1 Priest)>>5446718 PYAhHgpN>>5446792 8N859Blv>>5447083 5E+oT7HsInquisition (-1 Noble +1 Priest)>>5446721 8i4ZBd2B (Didn't greentext)>>5446846 X+VgKdyU (Didn't greentext)Neutral (+0 Noble +0 Priest)>>5447622 JlUG4qi1Subside (-1 Noble +0 Priest)>>5447005 E7l0SfSY>>5447084 Gme1UiK6>>5447392 TiGYidkW (Didn't green the vote)>>5447497 z5E6kKxuSubside + Inquisition (-1 Noble +1 Priest)>>5447607 9VvQIdo4 (Didn't link to the previous vote)>>5447610 bCFrwcjn (Didn't greentext or link to the previous vote)>>5447659 WKbTCcdW>>5447672 3RMF8T1Z (Link to wrong post, don't know if it's a problem or not)>>5447700 4oeJ3CJp>>5447732 3ga1QSjx / aIzhhuAq (Fucked up twice, probably more)I hope you don't mind this too much QM, I know you don't like when people post side stories directly into the thread because it might confuse readers, and this could be the same. So this is going to be the last one I do, just in case.
>>5447005>Switch my vote to >>5447607I like the revised version of my proposal more, it also has more support. Dunno if the ID will be the same or not cause posting in my dorm room doesn't seem to stay consistent, but I was the one who posted the original one.
>>5447497Switch to>>5447607>Tell the nobles we will be creating and reinforcing regulation agencies (FATCUNTS and Prefecture Magisterium) to oversee Techheresy, rather than troops>Subsidize the servitors and the cell extractions to Mechanicus standards, to satisfy the priests.>Worries about the loss of manpower will be mitigated by the Nobles being mandated to population quotas to ensure a net positiveSorry for the multiple links, but anons keep coming up with decent addendums and plans and get clarification from QM so I try to keep my vote up to date.
>>5447744The counting is fine, that helps me a lot. Random bits of fanfiction is what the issue is, though as another fellow showed you can just attach a pdf.
>>5447782It's a good sign when your fanfic is so well done and interesting it inspires others to write their own fanfic of it. That's a just how much we all enjoy TAL0S.
>>5447832I know, I just dont want people to post it like my updates. Otherwise we might have a heresy lol.
>>5447497>Switch to>>5447607I realize there was no greentext for "Switch to" so just in case
>>5446700>supportthis certainly has no way of backfiring
>>5447744Looks like the Inquisition + Subsidy works, right? Anyone want to count again, since to me this entire vote is a mess because of people like this guy: >>5447774
>>5448119Yeah, with the extra rounds of vote changes it's in the clear lead, even if we ignore the different IDs and count it as an extra vote instead.
>>5448119It sucks when theres no control over ones own ID. What would you like us to do when that happens. Did you want us to just adopt names instead?
Huh, I've been running the quest for over a year now:
>>5448133Oh no, we missed the quest's birthday
>>5448133Has it really been that long? Hard to believe how time flies.
>>5448137Indeed, hopefully we will be at this for another 6 months to a year. I'm no fool in knowing that the Heresy is going to take about as long as the prologue.
>>5448138I look forward to it, especially if we could have all those prep ideas we've been gathering for a year now. There's still a lot on our big to-do list. Worked real hard to get our empire first and faster than our brothers now to cram every second of before for doomsday.
>>5448143The hope is for this thread to work down a lot of those desires. I don't think we are gonna jump 50 years, but we might be able to reach the Xenocide. Might.
Wonder if we should actually get down and write out that to-do list, see what can or can't be done in 50 or 100 years, it's probably quite long. But also its probably easily just addressed with a simple "TALOS commands, so it be done". Like with our marines, basically we voiced every little thing we could want with them and we entrusted AL4N and Vadar to work on it. So now we can rest easy knowing its being handled.
With those words spoken numerous discussions began to crop up around the theater of politics. For the most part it was an understandable situation for both sides. The Mechanicus wishes to diminish whatever kinds of heresy there might be. Men who are not of the cloth experimenting with things they barely have an understanding of is something the Mechanicum cannot allow. After all, things like the knowledge of creating AI is well known to the Priests of the Machine God. They simply have enough self control to not use it lest damnation crosses through the realm. As for those of the Hives, they have numerous political games within their worlds. The threat of gangsters, cartels, and coups are at the forefront of their mind. Each of their worlds, after being touched by Lucius, have gained an uneasy peace thanks to the Mechanicum’s demands. If another player as strong as the Cult were to have a major stake in their lands then this balance will be ruined. And no one wishes to have war in the streets. Each person had their opinion on the situation, only the Knights of Dutonis not worrying about it as they did not really care about these politics. They were a faction built either on an economic or war footing, they could care less for civics. As TalOS’s attention was brought from them he got a ping, +Arch Magos K0LT, you wish to speak on the issue? If so, you may.+ +Thank you.+ Answered the Magos while standing, “My fellow Federation Members, it is my understanding that these issues are at a core an economic one. With the costs of Rejuvenation treatments so high, it forces many to take such sinful methods. I propose to the floor that we artificially lower the costs of Rejuvenation treatment. That can be done, right R3KT?” Those words were enough to get a rumbling through the crowd of people. To a Primarch, though, TalOS admitted that such grand actions were needed. They needed to eliminate the core economic issue, only by doing so will these upstarts find themselves in a business with no customers. “It can be, with some cost.” The Head Genetor spoke as he was called upon, “I will begin the organization and present a bill to the Assembly. TalOS, when you can bring some assistance I will appreciate it.” “I can do so, if it is chosen.” Answered the Fabricator General. There were going to be some costs, mainly political ones, and soon it will be seen if they are acceptable.
TalOS was to call a vote, but another ping came up. With a thought he had it answered, Magos 3KL4R rising from his seat, “I wish to thank the esteemed Arch Magi of Lucius for bringing such a brilliant solution, but that is only a solution for the issue at hand. We cannot allow future happenings to occur lest we enter into negative integers.” “If we are to lower the price and send troops, then it will be too costly.” K0LT pointed out as she spoke the truth in the situation. It seemed an issue was about to be discussed, maybe a bartering in the amount of funds to be allocated to what, but instead TalOS had a ping from the room. With a raising of his hand conversation stopped and he called out, “Duke Kandel of House Borgius, you may speak.” “Thank you, Fabricator General.” He answered as he gave a small smile, “On Dutonis, those who tended to the Fallen god’s Cathedrals were aware of the same issue you speak of today. Thus it was the duty of select Priests to watch out for heretics and witches alike. I wish to propose the same solution here.” That was enough to give the Priests pause to think. TalOS though happily took it up, “What you propose is very reasonable. There are already Priests upon these planets, but the one you speak of is tasked with ridding the worlds of heresy wherever it appears.” “And the witches. I have heard rumors of these worlds having thousands of covens, they must be rooted out if we are to be divine and just.” That was enough for conversation to be sparked. The talk of Witches and Covens quickly started to spread like wildfire across the people who did not know the full story. If TalOS was correct, they were likely mistaking Witches and Covens as the clubs that populated almost every other street of the planets. Such places, to even Young Knights, are completely terrifying and deserve to be purged. “I believe that would be a reasonable compromise?” Pushed forward 3KL4R towards the Nobles. The nobleman looked upon him for a moment, who had his word, “If it is just a Priest and his cohort, a couple per planet, then we will accept it. Know that their authority will be limited but we know the need for people like them.” “Good, good!” TalOS announced as a compromise was reached, “Now, we may vote.”
The vote occurred and was processed accordingly. The drafted resolution was placed forward and will be haggled out within the next few weeks. TalOS will not be a part of that process though as it seemed even ground was met between everyone. For the current issue the cost of goods shall be fixed and those acting as watchmen shall be assigned. There were countless people on Lucius who might want the position, though TalOS would admit they will bring in some new acolyte to fill in all the positions. Such was the changing times that they no longer need men solely dedicated to the learning and comprehension of the universe. Instead, they needed men who comprehended their fellow man’s thoughts and actions. But what interested TalOS the most was, after that meeting, that he got a message from one of his Oldest Acillians. The trip was not long and the place they found themselves was quite nice. TalOS was once again in the halls where the Acillians were first designed, created, and trained for the purposes of warfare against the Plastoids. Such a great vengeance did they wreck upon those creatures that the only reminder of their existence was the samples in the laboratories. TalOS took a seat as the Acillian also approached. The armor of the Acillian was no longer basic, but covered in both weapons and tools to better host the man’s ever increasing curiosity. TalOS counted two eradication beams, a plasma, and even a flamer upon the visible arsenal. That was added with a Mechanrite balanced over the shoulder. +Mitarii ED1SON.+ TalOS said proudly as the Acillian gave him a drink, +Last I spoke to you like this you were a Centarii, now you have a rank that better benefits one of your mind.+ +Thank you, Father.+ The Mitarii answered as he gave a bow, +I have been meaning to speak to you about this for a while, but with the wars we waged I did not find it appropriate.+ +Then there is no reason to dance around the issue. Speak your mind.+ Declared TalOS as he looked upon the man. +I wish to go on the path of becoming an Adept. I seem myself qualified to become a Tech Priest.+ >Accepted>You are a warrior, not a Priest>Explain your reasoning…
>>5448188I know the answer, but I also wanted it known that it happened.
>>5448188>Explain your reasoning…>I was merely testing your logic capability my son. You have repeatedly show the qualities of a good tech-priest, be a domini or artisan. You have my blessing.
>>5448188>>Accepted>"We were planning on it already, that you have been the first to ask means you are surely blessed by the Machine God to be the first"Aha!At long last, it's finally HERE!The very first confirmation of the Tech-marine!Imagine how great ED1SON is going to be? If our Acillians are already like tech-marines lite, what our true Techmarines will be?Kinda sad T35LA isn't also here, trying to keep up with his brother and rival.>>5448190Thanks QM, "knowing that it happened" is very valuable to us
>>5448188>Accepted (of course)>But we would like to know whyI'm sure it wouldn't be too much to know the reason ED1SON wants to become a priest even if we do accept him. Which of course we will because duh
>>5448188>Explain your reasoning…
>>5448188>Explain your reasoning… (But we are obviously going to accept him)
>>5448188>Explain your reasoning… (But we are obviously going to accept him)Where is T3SLA? He's going to miss out on being the 2nd Techpriest.
>>5447832The nice part of collaborative fanfic is there is multiple ways to remember the same event, and they can all be right. Kinda like how Warhammer should be. Like when TAL0S arrived on Mars he is herald by a storm of his own make, teleporting an army of hundred knights and Imperator Titan from orbit to ground and then himself before the Fabricator General. Or maybe he descended with a fleet of giant mass conveyors, houses of knights and Titans marching out, before leaping from the top of the Particeps Semper, landing and creating a huge crater that's still there on Mars to this day (called the "Dragon's landing"). In ten thousand years will anyone who was not there truly know? So many different ways, but the end result the same, the 2nd Primarch knows how to make an entrance!
>>5448188>>Explain your reasoning… (But we are obviously going to accept him)
>>5448188>Explain your reasoning [Gonna accept anyway]
>>5448188>Explain your reasoning…(and then accept him) Talos is a pretty good dad, also, I choose to believe that Dead Space is semi canon to Warhammer
>>5448765Oh yeah, deadspace is 100% canon to the warhammer universe, no way it isn't.
TalOS could see upon the face of his son the fear that was made bare upon it. Unlike the Emperor’s sons the Acillians knew many of the more human emotions. Dread, anguish, but also bravery. Many of them had used dampeners to weaken it, TalOS knew that ED1SON did not use such means of self control. He must regret it now, feeling the dread that a single decision by another person can have on his entire life. It was this fact that TalOS spoke, +You seek to become a Priest of the Cult. To be raised to that position, from a Soldier’s duty no less, is not common.+ With those words TalOS was able to snap his son back into reality, +We are not simply soldiers though, Father. You have trained us to be both researchers and discoverers. That we too can reach enlightenment.+ +And how would becoming one of the Priesthood assist in reaching this state?+ TalOS further pressed as a simple request became an interview. +It is the next step from what my understanding leads.+ Pointed out the Acillian without his hand reaching for his drink, +We spend most of our days training and preparing with the risk every day of going out into battle. I do not wish it known that I am craven, but that this risk always hampers what it is I can discover or realize.+ +So you believe more value can be scored if you devote your time into understanding and research?+ TalOS placed forward as he gave a small hum. +I agree with that Father. Many of my brothers take for granted the modifications to our brains you have committed. I believe them to give us a greater ability to see the world and even benefit the Priesthood in matters other than war.+ TalOS could not help but give a small chuckle, +Other than war?+ +Yes!+ ED1SON cheered as he took his hand upon the mug, +Father, it is hard to describe how something like this drink changed the Proelitor into what it is today. This is something so small that can bring so much change, and yet I have seen entire planets be reforged into a paradise. I understand that war is needed, but war is only one facet of life and I wish to improve all of it.+ +Then you will have your wish.+ TalOS announced as he took a drink of the B33R. And to that he noticed the face of ED1SON grow enlightened.
+If you are to become a Priest, you cannot directly become an adept.+ TalOS declared first and foremost, +You will have many pieces of knowledge that your aspiring peers lack, but you have not been fully initiated into the Priesthood. Not yet.+ +I have approached you with that understanding.+ He admitted while placing a hand on his chest. +Good, that is good.+ TalOS oriented his thoughts as he looked at the situation, +There will be many lessons for you to learn, but first and foremost you should have a Master Magos to train you up.+ +I see, do you have an idea of who?+ The Acillian asked back to his Primarch. +I should first understand if there is anyone who you would want to take you on? Someone who you might have talked to about becoming the apprentice of?+ TalOS suggested armed in the knowledge that the Acillians were all taught by Magos and Adepts. +Yes, if you have none better than Magos L3P3R I would place his name forward. He has been kind in showing me the mysteries of the Mechanicum and I learn well from him.+ Put forward the name of a lower ranking Magos towards TalOS’s ear. To that TalOS took a moment to ponder. The name was not one who sparked much thought to TalOS. He knew it though, as he knew almost all the happenings within the Priesthood and his Legion. The man was a lower ranking and recluse lord who served in the Crusades. He was not ambitious though, instead sticking to his numerous research projects as well as new technologies found. As for why TalOS was able to get the name quickly, he was one of the Priests that started producing the Leman Russ. Few could deny that the Leman Russ was quickly becoming one of the most used tanks among the mortal regiments of the Imperium. Was that the path that TalOS wished for his son to take? It would not be hard to put a war hardened Acillian into the care of both Pterraxi or D3X, both needing men with a more military mindset as their right hands. And then, of course, there was himself. >>Note that a precedent might be set here. >Allow him his choice.>To Pterraxi, to study the expansion and mystical technologies>To D3X, for the defence and artisan ability. >TalOS will take the first as his own.
>>5448868>Allow him his choice.You never know when something small will become great, and sometimes a man of ambition is what is needed to drive forward a content one.This may be of benefit to both our son and the magus.
>>5448868>Allow him his choice.
>>5448868>>Allow him his choice.
>>5448868>TalOS will take the first as his own.
>>5448868>Allow him to chooseI hope we will get more prominent priests from other fields in the future. D3X and Pteraxxi are great, but we should also have representation for other important ordo like Cybernetica, Reductor, Sicarian, and Myrmidon one day. Maybe as the Federation expands
>>5448868>>To D3XWe can set some rules such as they have to seek aproval from T4L0S while being sponsored by any ranking priest. In this case our son is propping up a Magos to be their master but does the magos in question accepts this?Anyway, I want our sons to be invested in war. The stock they come from (T4L0S) was also made for war. There are so many Priests out there yet so few Acillians...
>>5449063You are implying being a techmarine isnt also being part of the war effort and still a warrior. Individually they are better warriors than tactical space marines.
>Allow him his choice.> Not us. Not the fabricator general.
>>5448868>TalOS will take the first as his own. Because of the nature of our children, I would say that nothing would be more appropriate than for ourselves to determine the best way to train and guide them in the right path. When his apprenticeship with us is over he will be the guide among his brothers, so creating traditions and methods specific for the Acillian.priests.
>>5448868>>To D3X, for the defence and artisan ability.
>>5449358Everytime I see minis without arms I remember that old Abbadon meme.I'm liking that crimson main colour, looking forward to when the secondary and details are painted.
>>5448868TMQM can you tell us what the practical effect of these choices will be?
>>5448868>>5449321I am changing that vote to:>>Allow him his choice.Because it makes more sense to me for the Ascillians to find a Mentor that also agrees to the teaching rather than one assigned, it might make it a more diverse and independant group over all, but different knowledge can have surprising utility in the field.
>>5448868>Allow him to choose
Allow the Acillians to choose>>5448873>>5448885>>5448892>>5448956>>5449471>>5449555>>5449199 - Specifically not TalOS. TalOS shall be it>>5448900>>5449317>>5449438>>5449540D3X>>5449063
>>5449199I get the feeling this anon meant to do commentary, but forgot that we use greentext to vote lmao
Anyone got a good name of the "Tech Priest Inquisitors". I dont want to call them Inquisitors because it will get confusing quick. Also, come up with a funny name for their organization. If both can be used together that would be great!
>>5449707Oops, I forgot this: Nobles: 7Priests 5 (+1)Knights: 6Overall the Inquisition idea was pretty good. It gives just the right amount of authority not to anger so many people. Thus, benefits are reaped in other manners.
>>5449707maybe Illuminators (hate how capital i's and lowercase l's look the same) because they shin a light on corruption and miss use. you can even have their symbol be an III like the inquisitions capital I
>>5449707Department of Internal Census of Knowledge - DICKThe inquistior will be know as Holy Engineering Assets Detective, or the DICK:HEAD for short
>>5449720I like this, we can give them the the title Censor or Analyst.
>>5449721Anal-yst.The bad jokes never stop
>>5449725And Censor as censor bars too, now that I think about it.Was it intentional QM, and I'm too dumb to catch it on the first try?
>>5449728Nope, you are making my suggestions so much better.
>>5449725We could go Analist...
>>5449720Perfect balance between practical and funny, I approve.
>>5449720Or i can just already imagine the conversations that TalOS is giong to have with Emps and Malcador!Emps: So my son, i hear you have made an organization to ensure proper cohesion in your territory? I have had ideas to do so myself.TalOS: Yes father, the Deparment of Internal Census on Knowledge has been a very valuable tool already.Emps: ... You named it DICK?TalOS: That is its abriviation, yes.Emps: And what is the Deparment leader called?TalOS: Holy Engineering Assets Detective.Emps:....TalOS:....Emps: What did i do to deserve this?
>>5449737I wonder what the nobles and commoners from the hiveworlds we picked up think of the names of of all of these rules, organization and positions we are setting up.
>>5449742I think they are quite amused by the Mechanicus very..... intriguin naming convention. ;)
The DICK:HEAD is obviously the tech priests in charge, the Analli can be the agents themselves, kind of like Inquisitors and Interrogators.I still hope Censors as a title get used, either as a low level or administrative position, a collective title for members, or even how non-initiated refer to them so they can take it seriously.The heretics will learn to fear the DICK
The Fabricator had to think about the implications for a moment, knowing that this question would always come but having other things to do. Now though he could dedicate time to think upon it. And for a Primarch if you give them just a minute to think about something your result always comes, equal to a centuries worth of thought placed within it. +I shall allow L3P3R to bring you into the fold. Inform him that to take you through the standard channels as I give both him and any Tech Priest blessings to take my sons in as their future students.+ TalOS announced with a firmness of understanding within his mind. +That… are you sure of this Father?+ the Acillian asked as he looked to be both relieved and concerned over the decision. +I am.+ The Primarch declared as he gave his thoughts, +In the end, son, brilliant minds no matter where they come from should be employed by the Priesthood. To put a restriction upon your ascensions to full Priest Hood would be a detriment to the Cult.+ +But, there will be issues.++There will be.+ Agreed TalOS as he thought back to the numerous names of his sons, +As an organization there will be attempts by Priests to pouch potential apprentices, the assignment of apprentices to bind Acillians to their forges, and the grooming of Acillians for the sole purpose of becoming a Priest.+ TalOS said to his son, +But these are issues that will be fixed over time with reform and understanding. What I want first and foremost is that we do not restrict you to one field of war or choose what field you join. As I am at the head you will think all my decisions sound, but what if I am not?+ The Acillian in that second had the same realization, +You are correct, nothing is eternal except the Machine God and knowledge.+ +The more the Priesthood of the Mechanicus realizes that both Acillian and Astartes are but another tool and not just my own weapons, I know I have done my duty. For there will be a time that I am not around during which you will all need to band together against threats beyond imagining.+ TalOS told his son outright, +I may be biologically immortal, but I can still be slain.+ +I understand Father. The Astartes do not, some of the Acillians too, but I do. You are but the greatest cog in our machine, but we cannot have a machine that solely relies upon you.+ +Go forth and learn, ED1SON. Inform your brothers of my decree. Just make sure they know it is their choice and that none can force them.+ +I understand.+ The Acillian bowed before exiting the room.
TalOS knew that once the first Acillian placed forward their bid to become a Tech Priest, the floodgates were to be opened for all of his sons. It is quite reasonable to consider when one thinks of it for both the Acillians and the Tech Priests that took them into their fold. The Acillians, after serving their time in the Proelitor, would have a chance to ascend past their ranks into an organization that they had always looked up to. Those who did not see themselves in the ranks of the Acillians or saw advancement as a Tech Priest more comparable took the opportunity to ascend into the greater ranks of the Priesthood. For the Priests they were getting biologically engineered apprentices. These were men whose minds were created to function at a level comparable to TalOS, meaning that each of them were vastly more valuable than the standard human. This of course did not mean the Acillians were smarter than the greatest of Priests, but many realized the higher concentration of geniuses among the ranks of the Acillins. These facts made them perfect for Priests who seeked to cement their legacy by making the ex-Proelitor their heir. However to TalOS any fears that the Acillians would accidently take over the Priesthood were non-existent. While an Acillian Priest might have a greater base due to his genetic engineering he was far from the most perfect Priest. A Priest who was both competent and augmented can easily prove themselves greater than the Acillains. Thus his sons were not instant victors, only having a leg up in the eternal challenges that drive every Tech Priest forward. The barbaric actions of cell harvesting were easily destroyed once the funds were obligated to the new subsidy regime. Fewer Nobles were willing to pay for such dangerous goods when the Censors were watching their transactions. As for those who did not comply, they were turned into a lesson for others by the new Department of Internal Census of Knowledge. TalOS took the moment to look over a gory account of a man forced to age while also being forced to remain in such a decrepit state. It seemed whatever Anali who administered that punishment had a twisted sense of humor and knowledge to commit such an act. If he ever met this man, TalOS will need to commemorate them. As he looked over the information he received a message. TalOS expected something to come, but he did not expect what was to really happen.
Wait i just had a thought, but is there a possibility for us calling our Internal department DICK to feed Slaanesh?I mean, i know it is a bit of a stretch but.... Like, come on, if Slaanesh can justify reviving Lucius because a factory worker took pride in making the mine that killed him, then i think it is also probable for Slaanesh to gain some power from people always thinking about genitals whenever our Internal Investigation Department is mentioned.
>>5449707https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Prefecture_MagisteriumIf we're going with the canon version, you can call them "Magistrates" or "Magisters"Unless you want them seperate from that specific Ordo and more aimed at being Federal specific.
Today was the day that Titans Walked. They did not walk for war though for if they walked for war than that would have meant terror had arrived upon Lucius. Today they walked to bring to the one who is to arrive an immense honor. About the area were hundreds of Skitarii, Astartes and Acillians, along with several lines of flames leading up from the outside of the city. Each and every soldier in a parade uniform looked as perfect as one would right out of a workshop. Behind them were crowds of factory serfs trying to get a glance at the one whose arrival many awaited a month for. Those people were held back by the Secarii, who were activated due to the needs of this very event. TalOS soon watched as a Stormbird landed upon the ground at the very edge of the city, its arrival beckoned by the blaring of Titan and Knight horns that were to announce its arrival. Such beckoning caused all who heard them to stop what they were doing and rush out in front of the city to look out into the wide open streets of Forgespire Solaris. As the Stormbird touched down and lowered its doors all who were allowed sent salvos into the air as a welcoming gesture to the one who stepped out. It was at that moment the Stormbird opened its doors and all who were present gazed upon the most perfect man to have ever existed. Fulgrim walked down the streets to the roaring cries of the citizens and the salvos of soldiers. The Titans did not dare fire their main weapons in the middle of the Forgespire, instead releasing torrents of anti-air into the air to show their approval of the Primarch’s arrival upon the planet. After minutes of walking the Fulgrim arrived at the great Titan Factory, upon the steps of which was TalOS. The two Primarchs gazed upon each other with an instant realization of who the other was through sheer understanding. What TalOS saw was a perfect specimen of genetic engineering, a creature to be both admired and studied for the benefit of the entire galaxy. For Fulgrim, who had only been traveling the stars for a few months, looked upon his brother with sheer terror and disgust. So great was this emotion that even the most perfect of souls could not prevent these emotions from tainting his visage upon that single moment. >A private conversation within the office>Dinner, as TalOS has shared with all his brothers>A legion to legion discussion, where their right hands can also meet. >Other ideas to welcome the brother?
>>5449754I would not worry about that, after all the Censors are part of the Organization.
>>5449756>Dinner, as TalOS has shared with all his brothersSpeak about the devil.
>>5449751What about Censurii, I enjoy the wordplay between Censure (the ball of incense priests swing around), and Censor (to edit something), because they're both religiously based particularly around us >>5449754I think there has to be more to it than just the name, but maybe we'll have to deal with internal cultists occasionally>>5449756>A public meeting of Legions followed by a more intimate dinner>Most importantly, move past the disgust he showed briefly and try to show more of yourself than the Soulless he sawWhat would be a good gift for him? Any ideas?
>>5449756>A private conversation within the office
>>5449756>Dinner, as TalOS has shared with all his brothers
>>5449764I like that. Hey QM, what do you think?A gift for him? Maybe some way to project his image while speaking?
>>5449770Make one, you can easily make a large holostage for him.
>>5449771I meant anon's Censurii idea.Could that holostage be portable? This might end up as some sort of chaos palanquin in the future, but we already started the gift giving tradition.
>>5449788I meant to spoiler that image.
>>5449788>>5449770Thanks, maybe we can expand the Censurii into other things (I'd also love to give them Null Smoke in Censures, or something else similar with any number of other results) Also, a Holo table sounds nice maybe something that can turn other devices into holographic repeaters or something similar to spread out his messages although to be honest I don't actually know enough about him to know what would be best
Hmmm, how do you guys feel about:Censurii - Our equivalent of the Ordo Redactor. They make sure classified stuff stays classified, and nobody says something they will regretAnalii - In charge of ensuring rules, standards and compliances of technology. No bastardizationMagisterii - In charge of religious matters, actual heresy and questions of demon machines/possessed machines
>>5449751>YOU BETTER SHOW YOUR RESPECT FOR I AM THE DICK'S HEAD
>>5449840>"YOU ARE NOT MY SON, NONE OF YOU EVER WERE">TalOS: +Acknowledged. Unit #2 ready to receive commands from Creator+
>>5449756>Dinner, as TalOS has shared with all his brothers. Traditions have to be maintained, besides it will be interesting to have a full conversation with one of our brothers who in theory is our opposite.
>>5449756>>Dinner, as TalOS has shared with all his brothersI can already imagine it>Brother, are you not hungry? You haven't even looked at the food>No brother, I had something on the way here...>My mom cooked this you know? She's the best at deep frying corpse starch. I ran a double-blind peer reviewed planet wide clinical trial.
>>5449829Ooh I like that>>5449841The Chosen, for they are It.>>5449858God, that would be the most awkward conversation in existence, especially because at that point the Emperor would essentially have spit on at least 60% of his Sons and a better portion of the Astartes (which btw we need to talk to ours more because they're kinda like our stepsons at this point and we can't afford them getting squirrely
>>5449936I'd say TalOS has a great relationship with his sons as can be, possibly one of the best in so far as one Primarch can have a relationship with an entire legion.Consider:>Out of all the Primarchs, he's the best at multi-tasking since he can use subminds, data-jinn, and secondary sub-consciousnesses like a Techpriest can.>He has a noospheric connection capacity with literally every single space marine at any given time that is within range. He doesn't need them to meet them at his office, or come to the bridge. >He keeps up to speed on everything, he knows all that goes on so long as there is noospheric connection. He could have a veritable small army of little data-imps, servo skulls, and the eyes of techpriests. Possibly the ones to rival him in his awareness of the legions ongoings is Magnus and Perturabo/Ferrus for their techness. Except Perturabo is an ass to his sons and Ferrus is just hard. >TalOS is a believer in improvement, not perfection. He understands, like Saint ED1SON himself, that failure is but the prelude to learning and success. He is not ashamed to lose to Leman Russ, and will fight him again and again as a way to test and improve himself. The precedence he sets for his sons to is not to be so perpetually terrified of failure so long as they seek to improve and overcome the weaknesses of flesh and upgrade themselves for the next challenge. This in comparison to the Iron Warriors who fear failing perturabo "for the last time" like he were some super villain rather than their beloved father. Or even the Emperor's Children where there is no greater shame than imperfection. We embrace our physical imperfections in the pursuit of perfection of the mind and machine>He's a stable sensible man, with good parents, a wife, personal children, basically like Guilliman except even Guilliman never had wife and kid. And he wants his Acillians to remember their families, like the Salamanders do>He's also their prophet, and their religious figure, and he shares that extra bond of faith like Lorgar and Vulkan do with their sonsI'd like to imagine TalOS regularly sends out brief constructive criticisms and praise via noosphere and hologram to everyone from his Reichsmarshals to the common Astartes when they do something noteworthy, thanks to the efficiency of Binharic/noospheric over regular language. He wants to see everyone improve, just as a Techpriest ought to, in body and mind.
>>5449967That is true, but complacency is next to Corruption and I feel like the Astartes are the furthest from usAlso, what's their "thing" like Salamanders looking like that or Pertabo's Pals having the ability to see weaknesses?
>>5449999They were very angry and autistic.
>>5450003Which is suggested to stem from a psychic connection to Tal0S and by extension the Particeps Semper. He is just able to handle the rage better than them, like Sangunious commenting on the Black Thirst and the Red Thirst. Luckily, not as severe. And we aren't above treating it with suppressants if that becomes a problem, but we intend to cut that psychic link anyway.
>>5450003But the Titanic Ire came straight from Particeps Semper through T4L0S link. What is our legion's thing? I don't know!! They were always into big guns, gas and explosives right¿?
>>5450079ah, dreadnoughts but without the dread that comes from being entombed
>>5450091>>5450079That's what we're trying to accomplish at least. Eventually maybe have the Steel Wardens be dreads instead of terminators.
>>5449967 I think the average Dragonling isn't that different from other astartes with the exception of artisans who will become priests now. The biggest visible difference from the second legion is that if one of our kids feels particularly irritated about something, for example a piece of green shit that thinks sometimes. He'll be super focused on that target in question until whatever it is, that provoked the dragonborn, cannot be distinguished from the destroyed ground around it. In short, the second legion has imbedded within them a button to: >Fuck this thing in particular.
>>5449756>DinnerWhew, that was quite a visceral reaction
>>5449936Eh. We already said we can't call him dad. That title is for another.It would be kind of funny. To receive that speech with our other brothers and we're the only ones who already knew what was up despite everything going to shit.
>>5449756>>Dinner, as TalOS has shared with all his brotherswith maybe an opportunity for the sons to talk/compare notesCause our sons know how unusual their legion is, the Emperors Children have no idea how different the legions are. Better to nip that problem in the butt before they have to work together and nothing to build on.
>>5449936Oddly enough the ones who wouldn't be offended would be the Acillians. They have no actual ties to the Emperor asides those that come from us.The Acillians are not Astartes, they are not the Emperor's angels of Death nor were they made by his hand. Their loyalty to the Emperor is an extension of our loyalty. We basically have free reign to do as we please with them, modify their geneseed as much as we please, so long as its not overtly corrupt.Theoretically, when Nicea happens, if we cared about psykers we could insist upon a separate edict regarding the Acillians or press that such a declaration be made "by the Fabricator General" given the Acilllians are a Mechanicum asset, not an Imperial one. But that won't be necessary cause I believe TalOS would just advocate alongside Yusugei and suggest the Legion give up their psykers to the Telepathica under Malcador's watch, rather than having librarians or suppressing psykers.
>>5450455By which I mean, our Legion has no psykers because we make it practice to give them to the Telepathica. Which I consider far, far less hypocritical than Russ who just kept his but sided with the anti-psykers at Nikea.I think we would agree with Dorn, Russ was super hypocritical in that.
>>5450455TalOS would know very well that just ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away, and that things should always be dealt by actual professionals.
>>5450458>>5450463We might be able to convince Magnus that in this case winning is not having them get their vote but the other side not getting theirs.Fight another day, in a sense.
>>5450463>>5450468It would be nice, though I highly doubt Magnus would ever brook that, not if we don't put some serious damn effort into it.Magnus probably wouldn't appreciate being under Malcador's watch and key 24/7, rather than being his own force of nature. Unlike us, we'd be totally thrilled to serve under such a brilliant mind like Uncle if we weren't busy managing our own affairs.But imagine if we did though. To have Magnus at Terra, sitting upon the Golden Throne to spare Malcador's life, and then him and his thousand sons bravely fight the battle of the Webway gate while he props up the Emperor's psychic wall like a vision of Atlas with the world upon his shoulders as the tide of Four Chaos Gods come bearing down on it, just long enough for us to try and maneuver the Blackstone Fortress to stem the flow of Chaos Energy trying to break through.It's probably going to come to a head when QM asks us which traitor we may focus our efforts on keeping on the loyalist side. I just hope we don't end up exchanging a really good loyalist in return.
>>5450458Speaking of which, it might be a good idea to find those guys just to have an awkward conversation with the sons we gave up, weren't they hanging out with the Custodes too? >The Adoptiis are helping protect the Webway gate
>>5450508TalOS observed them guarding the Golden Throne, but he opted to not communicate with them as it was for the best they keep their psychic secrets to themselves. He no like warp.Still, I'd think in the very least, he would wish to give them all a noospheric thumbs up and digital regards to keep up the good work. They are still his sons.A meeting might still happen when Malcador needs to ramp up the Webway project and is scrounging for every techpriest familiar with psykana and eldar wraithbone he can find. He might even ask us to speak on behalf of the Imperial Palace to send more Eldar Xenarites from Stygies to Terra to work on the Webway, or at least help funnel more techpriests to the Palace.
>>5449756>DinnerGod I hate Fulgrim so much
>>5450512Bet he's going to inevitably make some sly insult or remark against our Acillians. They weren't made by the Emperor, so they can't be perfect like the astartes. He's certainly going to be very shocked at the massive amounts of modifications we've done to our body and to our sons. This will be a cordial meeting, and TAL0S will display his typical Vulkan style friendliness, but Fulgrim will surely show his haughty side like he does with Khan. Still I think we should at least compliment him on his efforts as restoring the mining world of Chemos to peak efficiency and the modifications he did to their mining machines.
>>5450513I hope we don't gift that pompous peacock anything but a lump of coal to remind him home, that guy has an arrogance surpassing Magnus's with nothing to show for it. Or better yet, if we now about his legion's sickness we can offer to modify their genes for them to insult his delusional view of perfection.
>>5450599>+1, mog the overgroomed bastard with our elite genetor skills, maybe see if brother fabius needs an apprenticeship.
>>5449756>Dinner, as TalOS has shared with all his brothers>Offer him a weapon, a very nice weapon, like we offer any of our brothersEven if he insults us, intentionally or not, I don't think T4L0S would show animosity to Fulgrim. We're too rich and successful to care and Fulgrim is poor and reliant on daddy's money for his fancy clothes and ride.
>>5450611No weapon. We offer things to people who deserve it. We didn't give Horus anything so we shouldn't give the cum-haired narcissist anything but a powerdong
>>5450611>>5450618Offer him a protection mask, its gonna infuriate him
Dinner>>5449762>>5449768>>5449776>>5449782>>5449863>>5449865>>5450243>>5450340>>5450512>>5450611A Private Conversation>>5449767A public meeting>>5449764Now this is a conversation that I will have fun writing.
>>5450507I doubt we'll even be invited to Nicea. It was about psykers in the legions. As a non-imperial and some one who doesn't use psykers we don't need to be their in a internal matter.
>>5450672Depends on who invites you. Going down that path, TalOS might be a greater stake holder in these debates that cannot be ignored.
>>5450676I'd laugh my ass off if we the warp hating blank primarch end up being the voice of reason that leads to the creation of the librariums as a institution
>>5450679We might hate the warp but our hatred isn't blind it's calculated. We have the wisdom necessary to see librarians as assets. I believe we will have the same view as the Khan in the debate and maybe help with translation since we got computer in brain and translators were a big problem in the debate.
>>5450679Gonna need some convincing for that#1 by that time we hopefully have grown the Null Nobilite and advanced our anti-warp tech capabilities that even the threat of (Tulpa's/Sentient Hostile Warp Energies/Demons/whatever) has been, at least for our legion, significantly reduced. To the point that we are the go-to legion for fighting psychic threats given our history with the Mitu and the Rangdan eventually#2 even if we did need psykers instead of anti-psykers, we would advocate just calling on the actual Telepathica and Malcador for advisory support, rather than having in-house librarians. Far better for them to be supervised by professional psykers like our Father/Malcador on TerraSo it would have to be something that convinces us not to just posit the same stance if asked to be a tie-breaker, why would we see in-house librarians better than having all be under the watch of Uncle, the 2nd oldest and most venerable human psyker in the Galaxy?I could see us having a greater reason to go there if say, hmm, the 11th Primarch turns out to be an asshole and our major antithesis. But what would TalOS antithesis be?
>>5450688Well, some legions have way too many psykers to send them all, Magnus' legion would basically cease to exist for example.So a librarium, but with the agents of Mal overseeing things is the best bet to control them all.
>>5450691In the "we try to keep Magnus on the good guy team" option, convincing him and his entire legion to arrive to Terra before the warp storms would be tremendously in our favor. In any case, it is not at all a bad suggestion to induct an entire Legion into Telepathica supervision. Sure it will hurt his pride, but it's not just any mere psyker we are asking him to let into their practices. It's Malcador himself. The Thousand Sons wouldn't be disbanded, per say, they would be rebranded. Given unto Telepathica supervision and integrating Telepathica agents into their order. I don't see Magnus actually going along with this, but that would probably be the stance we'd posit I feel.
>>5450692Honestly, since Magnus is such an important part of the emperor's plan, him being the one that breaks the seal on the webway gate, that I see keeping him loyal is how we would lose Guilliman.Because Chaos Ultramar would be the only way I can think of to balance such a huge shift of power.
It was two point six seconds, that was how long TalOS saw the look upon the demigod’s face. It was the kind of terror that TalOS had seen on others, people who were faced to face with the more liberal Tech Priests of the Cult Mechanicus. A terror of seeing the body of a man ‘violated’ by the intruding wires and cables that made us the augmentations the Priesthood so valued. The Primarch wondered about his brother, why he looked like that. TalOS had always had augmentations, some during the time he interacted with Horus contrary to his current form presented to Leman Russ and Ferrus Manus. None of his brothers seemed to hold such a reaction until this very moment. The festivities did not stop as the Third continued onwards. With every step talOS could see the perfection that was written in every piece and fiber of the being before him. It only made TalOS wonder if he was built to be this perfect, or that he made himself this perfect? Thinking about his other brothers more and more, it was likely that Fulgrim himself was the one who aimed to be perfect. Upon the Primarch’s first step on the stairs towards TalOS the host spoke, “I, Fabricator General TalOS DAV1S hereby extend my hand in welcome. People of Lucius, assist me as we welcome my Brother Primarch of the Third Legion, Fulgrim, to Lucius!” Upon those words the crowds all around them began to cry out. All at once the soldiers and warmachines gave volleys of salute to the one who finally reached the precipice of the staircase. In the old Terran manner TalOS extended his hand to his brother, only for Fulgrim to take a second to judge whether he truly wanted to shake it. In the end the Third reached over and gripped it tight, the two shaking before raising it to the crowd to see. Everyone cheered, including the Emperor’s Children who stood as bodyguards to their Primarch. In that time TalOS thought it strange he had so few of them, but ignored it as he gave a hand in instruction to lead Fulgrim into the building. Without a word the other Primarch did as was suggested to him. The two of them soon walked through the massive metal doors meant for Titans to walk through. A second later the doors closed, causing a loud metal cling to carry across the city as the two were now secluded from the rest of the Forgespire.
The two were silent to one another as they walked through the workstation. The factory was still active of course, being that the tides of war will never cease within the galaxy. But in his kindness, TalOS gave a few workers who were able a day’s leave so that he would have the more personal experience he seeked today. TalOS opened a door to a room with two massive chairs. The Primarch gave a hand towards one of the chairs, which his brother took as a sign to sit. TalOS noticed as he looked upon his brother that there was little sense of awe in his eyes or even a desire for study. All that was before him seemed to have giving him the same feelings that his first sight of TalOS gave. Before he sat though, while standing on his two feet, Fulgrim finally spoke, “My Brother, what have they done to you?” TalOS was about to sit, but instead remained standing to look Fulgrim in the eyes. Before his augmentations TalOS would not have rivals his brother in size, but after decades within the Mechanicum his body was forged into something far greater than its original form. As if to show, TalOS eyes were level with that of Fulgrim’s. “They have given me everything I have.” TalOS responded as he gave another hand to the chair for his brother, “Food will be coming soon.” “I will not allow you to avoid me with the temptation of food.” Declared the 3rd as he allowed his eyes to fully scan over TalOS. TalOS felt the reason he did this was because in his disgust he avoided learning the full extent, “Oh brother, I shall shed a tear for you as you cannot shed any yourself.” “I am still equipped with tear ducts. My eyes have not been given liquid sealing treatment.” TalOS corrected his brother in an attempt at a joke, “Fulgrim, I am still a Primarch just as yourself.” “How can you say so?” Pointed out the Primarch as he moved away from the chair and towards TalOS, “No longer do you bare the skin, muscle, and form that our Father gave us. Instead of being a perfect creation that represents our Father, you perverted both the flesh and form that he gave you.” “That is because what was given to me was inadequate.” TalOS declared with the firmness of someone who wanted the conversation to end, “My body is but a malleable construct of blood vessels and tissue before, now the firmness of adamantine steel.”
>>5450688the problem with having them all under the watch of malcador would be the sheer scale and distance. you would have to first send them to malador/terra or have them sent to a place for training. train them and then send them back or even worse have them send a request for them to be sent to the battlefield. that creates long wait times and resources when you have mal send some people to train them within the legion so he could a.) have spies and b.) allow the legions the ability to use their psykers in a orderly or quick matter.
“That…” Instead of the horror that Fulgrim gave earlier the Primarch gave his brother confusion, “How can anything other than what our Father create be better?” “It is the strength of Steel Fulgrim, that is what I hold.” TalOS told his brother but he knew that these words were not reaching his brother. “Steel? Our flesh is stronger than whatever steel can bring.” Announced the Perfect Specimen as he slammed his bare fist to create an indentation into the table below him, “See how easily it is mended! How do you see it as stronger?” TalOS felt his hearts skip as he saw a venerated piece of material destroyed. A sickening feeling flowed into where his brain lies telling him of the numerous stories the furniture had been witnessed to. In an instant his Machine Spirits made it known that it was three centuries old, given because of TalOS's ever burgeoning requests for information. “Brother, I ask that you do not damage my materials. Where we stand is a venerable place that holds things centuries older than us.” TalOS exclaimed while trying to arrange an Artisan to repair the injured material. It was to those words that Fulgrim looked upon his brother with blankness, “Every step I have taken upon this land has been a test of my will, TalOS. Do you think me a fool? I have seen your Acillians among those within those that welcomed me, such perverted creations of our Father’s Astartes. I understand that you made them yourself when you have yet to bask in our Father’s glorious creations, but you’ve yet to cease their production.” “That is illogical-”“How can you see such a thing as Illogical!” Cut Fulgrim with an accusation, “They are like effigies of the glorious Astartes! Only a fool would keep them around!” >>I would love extra flavor placed upon these items. I am taking suggestions. >Sit down and stare>That is his opinion, ask if he’s said his fill. >Debate the Primarch
>>5450698Actually, loyalist Lorgar or even loyalist Horus too, but just like Magnus, I don't see TalOS of all people connecting with them enough.>>5450705>Debate the Primarch>Our creator has not only given me permission to continue production of the Acillian, but has handed over control over my Astartes as well to modify as I wish.>Malcador, our secondary creator, has also complimented my work. Therefore, it has been properly peer reviewed and approved. You will have to file a complaint with them.
>>5450703Sending them to Terra right after Nikea to spend some time reorganizing is the point. By then the Great Crusade is slowly coming to a close, and by having the entire legion be on Terra they are at the right time and the right place to learn of Horus betrayal. More so since Chaos knows it can't lure Magnus into breaking the wall, Chaos will have to resort to plan B to stop the Webway: Combine all four of their godlike power and just wail upon the wall like angry gorillas until it cracks then pour the demons through. The Emperor would have to focus on stopping anyway hence trapping him on the golden throne, but if Magnus was there that picture changes.
>>5450708Oh, and let me add>I also must disagree with the strength of our flesh over adamantium. I have run plenty of tests to disprove such notion, both in controlled environment as in a battlefield. An assassination attempt was what spurned me to replace my right arm, for it was destroyed by plasma.
>>5450716Keep adding stuff. More material the better.
>>5450705>Sit down and stare (do it for about 15 seconds)>"I think we are going to be having an... Interesting relationship down the road">Begin to debate with Fulgrim: 1) Point out their usefulness 2) Tell Fulgrim clearly that, while yes the Astartes are great, they are not perfect 3) That we too, as primarchs, are not perfect and to think we are is foolish, for not even the Emperor/Creator is perfect (Don't say it is because of his psyker powers, even though that is most definitely why (since it makes him a target in the warp))
>>5450705>Debate the Primarch>I have thoroughly tested and compared the capabilites of the Acillians and the Astartes and have not found the Astartes to be inherently superior. Both have their place.>I already have plans to modify the gene's of my sons to eliminate a flaw within their gene-code.
>>5450720Well, the only other thing I can think of is that these are indeed improvements, and we wouldn't keep them if they were downgrades, since increasing efficiency is a holy act.We have even keep our original flesh in stasis for study, and in case an unexpected discovery such as a STC or application of archeotech allows for even better results. Wink wink
"Before his augmentations TalOS would not have rivals his brother in size"lmao I guess Alpharius wasn't meant to be the only short primarch after all. good thing we decided to literally be built different
>>5450724Oh yeah, we do have knowledge that legions have flaws in their geneseed from our sons and our talk with arihman.So proof that the Emperor's work is not perfect.
>>5450730I don't think we know about the flesh change yet.
>>5450705>Debate the Primarch>Point out that we keep our Acillians not because we created them, but to fill roles that a regular Astarte falls behind in, the same goes for our Astartes.>Our creator has not only given me permission to continue production of the Acillian, but has handed over control over my Astartes as well to modify as I wish.>Malcador, our secondary creator, has also complimented my work. Therefore, it has been properly peer reviewed and approved. You will have to file a complaint with them.>Astartes are not perfect brother, I already have plans to modify my children's genes to remove a flaw in their genetic code.>I also must disagree with the strength of our flesh over adamantium. I have run plenty of tests to disprove such notion, both in controlled environment as in a battlefield. An assassination attempt was what spurned me to replace my right arm, for it was destroyed by plasma.
>>5450732He said he was in the library to discover a way to fix his legion.He didn't specify what was the problem, but he said there was one.
>>5450705>Debate the Primarch.>The Emperor created his children to help humanity achieve a glorious future, something that goes beyond him or ourselves. >We do not embody perfection, we embody the spirit of innovation and overcoming what came before us. That's why Tal0S is the closest to the emperor of all brothers ever encountered up to this point, all his actions and decisions come from a deep desire to achieve a better future. Not to create an immutable form unable to adapt that believes to have reached the pinnacle of all reality. Not even the Machine God behaves with such presumptuousness.
>>5450705> Debate the Primarch> All of my changes have been wrought through struggles, struggles of the flesh, struggles of the mind, struggles of the steel. Much like struggle turns a green soldier into a veteran, turns students into masters, and slabs of steel into most sacred blades, I've been made stronger, smarter, faster through my struggles.> Now who is more valuable to the Emperor? A green soldier or a veteran? A student or a master of his field? A slab of steel or a mastercrafted blade? You already know the answer, Fulgrim. I've simply made myself into a better Primarch to better fulfill his goals.And if all of that doesn't work> Fk off cunt
>>5450688>But what would TalOS antithesis be?Another Mech oriented primarch but this one is 100% xenos technology. He has crazy shit like aeldari spirit stones and managed to master wraithbone.It would represent the xenos minded aspect of the emperor. He needs someone to be hipocrite for him and manage the webway after all
>>5450705>You have barely seen the stars, brother. We are creations of our Father, not his sons. What difference is there between being smelt and bashed inside the forge and the vats we spawned in?>The reverence you hold for our Creator comes from one that doesn't know the Machine God and is ignorant to their teachings.>There is no point in your argument because it is academic at best. What I did to myself was to serve my God better and there is no way back. If it serves you as consolation Brother, I can gift you my bodyparts that are in stasis, maybe then you will then understand that they were tools and I have made improvements
>>5450897I would disagree here. his antithesis would be a ultra psyker luddite or someone who recklessly advances technology and science with little to no care tradition or what came before.
>>5450915>An AI primarch
>>5450705>Debate the Primarch>An object lesson: Arm Wrestle him, see if his Primarch Flesh is stronger than our Primarch Wrought SteelThere are so many clever things we can say and points, but I would suggest a simple object test on the strength of flesh vs steel. He rent a 300 year old decorative table. But can he do the same against our artificer atomantic powered adamantine servo arm?A Primarchs strength has limits. On a blood slicked floor Fulgrim was pinned down by a dozen men. Let's test those limits.
>>5450705I'll add this to my vote >>5450724>An object lesson: Arm Wrestle him, see if his Primarch Flesh is stronger than our Primarch Wrought Steel
Honestly I'm just here loving that everyone has their own way of tackling this. All will be used, and keep them coming.
>>5450705>Debate the PrimarchFucking Fulgrim. Let's spar with him and put this glorified prostitute in his place. "Emperor's Perfectness" my ass. It's rich coming from him. I know we can't beat him too much but by the machine god we should
>>5450705>Addressing Fulgrim's Points>See Below>>"The Emperor made the Astartes to be perfect! The Acillians are mockeries">The Emperor did not make the Astartes, not alone. He organized the machinations that lead to their creation, the gathering of brilliant minds, the collection of technology. He did not make the astartes first but the thunder warriors, from which the astartes were an upgrade. This shows he recognizes the importance of upgrades, which are not possible if every creation of his were perfect. We, as his creation, are therefore another one of his machinations and thus the Acillians have claim to his indirect design as the Astartes. >He created us, we created the Acillians>He, and Malcador (who also was part of the astartes program), have given us their blessing to continue our work, for they have not forbidden nor ordered us to disband the Acillians. They in fact, welcomed the addition of these supersoldiers into our legion and pressed them to war immediately.>Malcador himself has accepted several of our Acillians into service on Terra (as part of the Telepathica, but we don't have to mention this) this is direct proof of approval>>"You perverted both the flesh and form that he gave you">Our father did not create us as adults, though he could have. He made us as infants. Infants grow and change form, they improve, thus improvement is in our nature as with every human. We are not created perfect, for we were vulnerable out of our metallic womb>Not all flesh is equal. Some can be changed, lost, look upon our brother Ferrus and his hands. >The most important piece of flesh, that part which cannot be lost nor changed, is the mind. It is the mind that we consider perfect, thus immutable. The body can progress>"Steel? Our flesh is stronger than whatever steel can bring">No. It's not. (Object Lesson)>Also if that were the case, if we were like the ancient 'murrican legends of Superman and could deflect bolt shells and shoot lascannons out of our eyes, why do you still wear armor and wield weapons? Why do you ride in machines, rather than leap to where you wish to go? >Flesh has limitations, we exceed these limitations with technology, as mankind has done since the ancient age and the first spear
>>5450705>Debate>BRING UP THE STATISTICS, BITCHFulgrim is never going to listen to stats, numbers, or anything we say. So throw the numbers at him, continue our diplomatic talks or throw him out.He has already worn his welcome thin.
>>5451311don't say things that are not true. No way T4L0S will feel like kicking him out of the galaxy subsector. Fulgrim is just confused. Give him a couple years worth of space travel and warp horror
>>5451323I like what SoN said that no matter how some of his brothers rail at him, T4L0S just remembers he's stupid rich and a great success and doesn't really let it get to him. Why let it get to him? Unlike Magnus and psychic powers, no one is going to slow down the march of technology and slow the war effort or engage in tech heresy. The Emperor wants speed, and we are giving him speed of conquest.
>>5451329I agree with you to an extend, but since he has always been a very family focused person and treats both the Astartes and Ascillians as a very big family extension any direct insults on them would at least get him annoyed, if not angry.Even if Fulgrim is his brother, he does not get the right to talk about TaL0S's sons like that! You don't get to slag off a nephew just cause you are related, at best its rude.Where i do agree is that he would not let that lose control of his emotions, set it aside and treat it later, this brother needs a lesson.
>>5450705>Include Arm WrestlingSince QM says he's basically going to include all the points everyone's come up with, and it looks like anything I'd have to say has already been said, I'll just also back besting him in a contest of strength to make a point.>>5451336This is true. He would still get irked, even if he can choose to not show it, we do still have a lesson to teach.
This might have been a moment where TalOS would keep his anger in check. To balance on the razor thin edge that would keep this from growing ever worse. Such were ideas that TalOS himself had, and that those of his cloth would have also recognized. But that would be to ignore what the vast majority of his brotherhood would do in this situation. When one is faced with a detractor who claims your entire life’s work to be a falsehood and that of ruin, it cannot be looked upon lightly. And it was not just TalOS as the numerous Venerable Machine Spirits that were within his body began calculating battle schemes and algorithms that were basically asking for the destruction of the target. The thing that set TalOS off though was when his hand brushed upon the dent his ‘brother’ made. “My Children, those of which I created and raised with my own hands, have their uses.” TalOS said with the rumbling anger of a Titan quaking through each spoken note, “They have their purpose in their service to me, specialized in machine and ranged warfare. Just as results from the field they outperform their host Legion by 33%!” “You speak blasphemy against our Father.” Countered with terror upon his face, “He has given to you the perfect warriors, and you would spit up it!” “They are far from perfect.” TalOS fired back with a good amount of mirth coming from the vox caster, “These Astartes, my Sons, suffer from genetic and temporal issues that only I can save them from. I know of at least one other Legion that suffers like they do, so the concept of Astartes is not perfect.” “You claim them to suffer a flaw? You are simply mistaking a purposeful creation as a curse.” Fulgrim shot back with the hint of illusory, “Our Father is perfect, thus all he does is with purpose.” “He is not our Father, he is one our Creators. The Head of an entire Cabal of them.” TalOS snapped back, “Forged we were in the depths of Terra, our every cell and soul examined through the magnanimous efforts of a hundred souls. Even we, the Priests of the Cult Mechanicus, do not go into such trials in the creation of our offspring. Thus, like the venerable table that you injured, we were forged. Forged by the hands of not just the Emperor but Mortals like Malcador the Sigillite!” To those words Fulgrim laughed. It was a sickening laugh that could only come from someone who thought themselves greater than any other person. He looked down upon TalOS with the sternness and mirth to say, “Malcador? Malcador the Sigillite? Ha! He is only a tool and deserves no credit for what the Emperor himself brought to being!”
TalOS stared at Fulgrim for what could have been a century. Any respect held against the man was lost in an instant as he dismissed the dutiful work belonging to one of mankind’s greatest men. To put one who was Ancient and degrade them to a lesser being was an insult crossed a core tenant of the Mechnicum. “If you were a member of the Mechanicus what you spoke would have been Heresy.” TalOS said as he went with a cold iron voice. “Heresy, brother?” The man gave a laugh as he stopped his anger to become mocking in tone, “You speak in such a barbaric term that I begin to find your words are of a lunatic.” “Yet you have accused me of Blasphemy against a being who is not even a god.” TalOS fired back, though he knew now that peaceful conversation had long since passed them, “Face it brother, it is the flesh that is weak in the end. Do we use our hands to mend steel or use our hands to screw in a bolt’s nut? When you have slaughtered men do you use your bare fists? No, you use metal and the tools fashioned from it.” “We use them because our bodies were not meant for such menial tasks.” Flaunted the Primarch with a brush of his long hair, “It is not the wrench that affixes the bolt but the muscles of the person. All machines require that.” “It is the mind that does all.” TalOS felt somewhat that an agreement was being reached, but knew it was more toying with the man before him. “As we are forged by our Father, as you said, then we are like those tools. Brother, what I do not understand ultimately is why you forsake such a state of being.” Point out Fulgrim once again, “You were perfect, built for your purpose in the stars. Staying in this palace of metal, you engorge yourself in politics and technology. It saddens me.” “It may sadden you, but I do not care what you speak of now.” TalOS firmly declared as he looked upon his brother, “We are to have an interesting road before us, an interesting one that I am sure remembrancers will speak of.” “They will.” He said slyly as he moved his cloak to reveal a sword upon his person, “They will cry out the folly of TalOS the Disfigured, how he ruined his body in pursuit of vain glory and power.”
As the sword was shown there was a pair of footsteps from the other side of the room. Fulgrim looked on the other side of the room to see a Tech Priest’s mechanrite brandishing a Plasma Cavalier pointed in his direction. He looked around the room, giving a chuckle. “Call off your dogs, TalOS.” Barked the Primarch as he gave a coy grin, “To think that you would have mobilized your own sons against me though. That might make you the first to do so.” TalOS focused upon Fulgrim with a cold hard stare, “This matter is because you were belligerent. I welcome you into my planet and you have done nothing but yell and now brandish a weapon. Of my sons, they are a hearing to orders laid down since their creation to protect me.” “Even against your own brother.” Fulgrim looked upon TalOS speechlessly. “Yes, I did not give them any exceptions. They are to protect me at all times from all threats. It does not matter what cloth or whose face they wear.” TalOS made it firmly known as he stole a look towards his mother brandishing the Plasma weapon. “What I ask of you is not that but a simple bout.” Pointed out Fulgrim as he raised a sheathed sword into the air, “I have heard from Horus that you have brawled Leman Russ. That you have lost to him, yet this has not guided you off this foolish path. I believe that is because you were holding back against Leman, believing that your true powers lie in those weapons integrated into your arms and mechanrites.” “You think you can defeat me?” “Yes~” Charmed the Emperor’s Children Primarch as he raised his sword before him, “The first to reach a strike shall win, and you can use all the weapons at hand. We will even do it here, so that none except your closest family will bear witness your defeat.” “You are confident.” TalOS told his brother as he began working on battle protocols. “I am ready, TalOS. Yet have I tested my mettle against any of my fellow brothers. You will be the first and even if you are no longer perfect still hold the ability of us.” Fulgrim told TalOS as he was prepared with his sword. >Fine, we make this quick>Why not a simple contest of strength? >I will not hide it, come and see where glory is truly won.
>>5451531Alright, Fulgrim might have the most posts in his Primarch segment because hes stupidly fun to write. >>If you go for battle, suggestions on tactics should be recommended. No bringing in a Titan onto the battlefield though.
>>5451532Also, I might have cranked his arrogance up a little too high. However this entire story is short and I need to establish some villianous shit
>>5451531>I will not hide it, come and see where glory is truly won.>Alas, this bout will prove nothing, since I'll have to hold back anyway. The Imperium would surely be displeased If I fought like I do on the battlefield. An Imperator Titan does not have non-lethal weaponry you see.
>>5451531>Fine, we make this quick
>>5451531>Backing this >>5451536>As for tactics? play on his ego and his desire to 'prove' himself and bait him into a trap before cutting or shooting something that would FORCE him to need replacements.
>>5451531>>Why not a simple contest of strength?We need more lessons from Russ before we face off Fulgrim, one of the best swordsmen in the galaxy. We aren't really a swordsman.But brute strength and application of atomantic servo power IS something we are innately familiar with.
>>5451532Aw no titan? not even a reaver? (◞‸◟)meanie
>>5451531I will be>Supporting >>5451542Because remember if he gets to use his sword it's only fair we get to use our imperator titan, after all shouldn't we be allowed our actual combat style in a duel? It's a shame we won't get to use it so instead we must battle on a grander scale where we can use armies to show the machine god's superiority over this heretic's foul host
>>5451532>No bringing in a Titan onto the battlefield though.COME ON. Not even a tiny one
>>5451531>>I will not hide it, come and see where glory is truly won.I don't now what this option means, QM. "come" where¿? We could go and conquer a couple planets, side to side with Fulgrim. Much like how Dutonis have done...
>>5451599To the colosseum anon.
>>5451603ooh so we choose between getting our ass beat *here* our out *there*. I don't want to be known as the primarch who loses every duel... :(>Fine, we make this quickRemember that fulgrim has MASSIVE healing factor, so we shouldn't hold back at all
>>5451599I don't think fulgrim is worth that much time because unlike him we have an empire to manage due to how successful we are. Untill he can boast a self made empire of his own he simply isn't worth even a month of our time that could be better spent on the quest for knowledge
>>5451603The colosseum? I thought we would be battling armies against each other in order to show true glory not just some petty duel
>>5451612Well, the way I see it would be two armies on the arena.Unless there is a city needing destruction or open field nearby for us to use, of course.
>>5451532>No bringing in a Titan onto the battlefield though.Can we bring a knight instead?No, scratch that. Can we bring SEVERAL knights? I want to hit fulgrim in the face with enough ordinance that all past, future and sidereal incarnations will feel the fury of TalOS and know not to fuck about with his family!
>>5451617A military drill between the Emperor's Children and Proelitor? That, that sounds like something TalOS would propose to prove he is right on all fronts.
>>5451621I think that's what some people are thinking that "where glory is truly won" means.I mean, an arena is good entertainment and proving grounds and all, but true glory is only earned in an actual battlefield. I'm sure the knights would agree with this assessment.
>>5451628Yeah this is what I was thinking it was
>>5451628Where glory is won is the arena, but now it's tiring the arena into a battlefield.
>The heresy begins a century earlier>On LuciusI mean... you never know what comes out of this full fledged battle. Imagine if the two sides start blasting eachother with live ammo
>I will not hide it, come and see where glory is truly won.Full balls to the wall big dick energy.
>>5451628That is true, I worded it wrong. But I think a mock battle will be a good enough excuse eh? Get some heresy action before the heresy.
>>5451633>Implying the Arena isn't already a giant city sized battlefield surrounded by gigantic ship scale void shields to prevent bystander casualties able to handle even squads of Warhound/Acastus Action
>>5451618One issue with doing a mock battle as a field test is we would have to fight fairly. Or at least, reasonably fairly. And the #1 rule for the Horus Heresy, and indeed any war strategy of the 2nd Legion is: "First never fight Fair">>5451771What are we permitted for tactics and battlefield assets besides not bringing a titan? Are we allowed to bring any experimental or prototype things? Or is it only just what we have now.
>>5451531>I will not hide it, come and see where glory is truly won.>A military drill between the Emperor's Children and Proelitor!>We're going to look through all of the third legion's combat logs, and we're going to use them to determine where they show the most ability, and where they show mediocrity. After that we will modify our legion to target this weakness and humiliate this sex doll that is not worth the flesh from which she was carved.
>>5451805 There is more than one way to fight unfairly without resorting to the superior form of combat that is the classic orbit bombardment, considering how inexperienced the doll is in combat of superhuman armies I would say this will be an experience that can teach humility even for him. We can cut off their communications using our programs, we can disable their movement using our near-infinite numbers of auxilia, we can create terrain that would make them advance through kill zones that would obviously be mined, plus the command level that Tal0S has over his legion, by far the largest of all at this point in time. The wolf can win in one-on-one, but he and the doll don't know what is a war of complete destruction against an enemy on equal footing, and this lesson we will seal in the doll's skull after this day.
>>5451531>Fine, we make this quickThe bastard doesn't have his ultra good sword training from Byzas yet, although he is a primarch he will be an easier fight than Russ for us. Let us put a nice dent in that ego of his
I agree, we can hack the fuck outta their legion in this mock battle. Deafening white noise that comes out of their vox caster for example or anger the machine spirits of their volters. I don't think we can lock their armors' servos...
For all that we extol the glory of the Machine God. We have an actual father figure. We can try to reconcile with him.... But I fear he would call it heresy that we call another a father instead of the Emperor.
>>5451881>SupportFuck this bitch, I'll fight them in the Arena and then I'll have my ancillians clap your boys asses like a pair of bongo drums.THEN DO IT AGAIN WITH OUR ASTARTES, and drill home the point of your utter disrespect. There shall be enmity between us, little Matsu man.>>5451323Sorry, what was said that wasn't absolutely true?>Never going to listen>Already worn his welcome thinI was RIGHT!
>>5451897>we can disable their movement using our near-infinite numbers of auxiliaIt's probably this bit right here that might pose the issue.In any battle the 2nd Legion strives to achieve superiority of materiel, personnel and machinery. Vast numbers of Skitarii, Cybernetica, Servitors and this isn't even considering we have yet to enact the Tech Thrall legions too, plus not only more armored and air support but superior patterns of tanks. One to one our tanks are meant to be superior to the equivalents of our brothers, with more awoken machine spirits, expert crews, and eventually superior armor and weapons system. And we do not intend to remain on one to one tank numbers.Eventually anyway. So if we win using our traditional methods, Fulgrim would just claim we are cheating. In any case at this early in the war, he probably can't even muster a fraction of marines to match our marines alone, let alone to match our hordes of auxilia.
>>5452086>Fulgrim would just claim we are cheating.Sucks to suck
What if we give every squad a... point value? each unit has something we can call... power and the two combatants have to settle on how much power in total they get to use... and upgrades that deviate from the basic loadout cost more points...
>>5452102If someone wants to go balls to the wall, make sheets for both sides. I think using 40k points with that conversion nano shared earlier. Also for auxiliary battle automata their points cost because Fulgrim.
>>5452122It was half their points cost. Just don't make an entire list of robots.
>>5451531> Coloseum optionWe need to completely crush Fulgrim through overwhelming firepower, while at the same time making a show out of it. Why? Because if we do so, we can maybe stablish contact with Fabulous Bile, and perhaps steal him from his legion through promises of experiments.
>>5452125Here's a 2k list for the ECs. 1. Fulgrim 2. Palatine Blades, 5x power sword, melta bombs for Prefector [165, retinue for Fulgrim]3. Storm Eagle Assault Gunship, TL Multimelta, 2x TL Lascannon, Armoured Ceramite, [285, pimped out ride for Fulgrim and his pals]4. Legion Chaplain, combimelta, artficer armour, melta bombs, jump pack 5. Legion Assault squad, 20 men, 4x power axe, sarge has power fist [465pts]6. Legion Chaplain, combimelta, artficer armour, melta bombs, jump pack 7. Legion Assault squad, 20 men, 4x power axe, sarge has power fist [465pts]
>>5452086>Fulgrim would just claim we are cheating.Its called skill issue
I'm guessing this will go down like most mock battles in the stories, bolters being equipped with blanks and using infrared lasers to detect shots on armor.
>>5452132It's 20 points to 1 Power right? Hrmm, a 100 power battle. We have so many wonderful things to choose from. Especially if Auxilia are half off because we're the Machine Goddamned 2nd Legion.
>>5452122It was a joke referecing 40k :(
>>5452159I know, but the autism in this thread must be harvested.
>>5452170I should say this, Acillians should be priced equal to a Tatical Marine and Datasmith-Acillians to a Tech Marine. I think that should fix any issues on that front.
>>5452086Omnissiah, I would absolutely love to just turn off every weapon and piece of Armour our enemies have, the Machine Spirits obey the Tech-Prophet
>>5452146 Nano will you make our list?
>>5452132Never tried to make an an army list before, but here's my shot at it. I just did "Power level x 20 = Points"2k points of 2nd LegionHQ:-Fabricator General's Prototype Bodyguard (as The Homonculex) (220/2=110)>An insult to the Acillians is an Insult to Lucius, besides the Fabricator General would like to test out his latest automata bodyguard(Yes, I hope the Fabricator General can be run as Anarchis Scoria in the future given references to his more powerful warform)Lord of War:-The Primarch TALOS DAV1S 380 points-Prototype Knight Moirax with rad cleanser; graviton pulsar; volkite veuglaire. 160 points>A new design for the Knights, in the works. Perhaps now is a good as time as any to test it outElites:-ED1SON as Legion Techmarine 80 points-VADAR as Legion Praetor 100 pointsHeavy Support:Ursarax Cohort, 3 Automata, Jump Packs (120/2=60 points)>A gift from Xana! (Where it was designed in canon anyway)Contemptor Dreadnought Talon, 1 dreadnought, x2 Dreadnought Chainfist 160 points+with Prototype Incaendius Jetpack 20 points>TalOS is investigating new methods of propulsion for his planned heavier frames. A dreadnought approximates his planned weight and size, so it will serve as a useful test bedInfantry:Legion Assault squad, 20 men, 4x power axe, sarge has power fist [465pts]Legion Assault squad, 20 men, 4x power axe, sarge has power fist [465pts]
>>5452207There was an attempt >>5452209If anyone is willing to give advice or make a better one, I'm all for it! I just went with a more fluffy idea of representation of the different factions more or less.The Astartes represent themselves.The Acillians are represented by ED1SON and the Dreadnought (who is an Acillian that has been blessed by holy union with the machine form)A knight of DutonisCybernetica by the UrsaraxAnd Lucius/Fabricator General by his HomonculexFor a battle between elites, it does make sense if the Auxilia sort of take a back line but I'd like to imagine the Homonculex in the colors of Lucius itself and as the Fabricator General's own stands for the rest of them.I'd wish we could include at least one vehicle like a Russ or something for the Taghmata Autotraktor but I ran out of points.
>>5452209Pretty cool list, I like it
>>5452209Works for me, wanna run it in Tabletop Simulator next week and see where it lands?
>>5452309HH 1st ed for ruleset, BTW. I'll send you a link to the relevant texts.
>>5452309If you're who I think you are, I'd love to give it a shot. Been enjoying 2e Necromunda quite a bit.
>>5452323Who else? Check your steam messages for the link.
>>5452209 I liked it, but I think the lack of skitarii units kind of plays against the legion theme.
Now, diplomatically, the 3rd aren't going to like us after this.It could be as simple as "The primarch doesn't like them, so we don't either" or we could go whole hog and transparent with WHY we are measuring up our men against his. Which I really don't recommend doing by the way, which will transition it into a "they humiliated us and look poorly upon us" which we don't really want.My suggestion is that we try and keep this fued between the primarchs as background a thing as possible if we can. The 3rd got their name for defending the emperor's life, they deserve some respect even if Fulgrim doesn't
>>5452329Not a bad call, maybe drop one of the assault squads for a pile of skittles.
>>5452329>>5452332I'd gladly do that.Lemme see
>>5452330 You are correct I think the idea of the "punctuation" can mitigate most of the excesses. But I believe it would be very demoralizing for our legion if we bow our heads and accept such disrespect and humiliation, if the doll had treated us with respect like the wolf the situation would be very different.
I'll bother to countARENA!>>5451536>>5451542>>5451591>>5451599>>5451881Duel>>5451539>>5451901>>5452018Arm Wrestle>>5451578Time for some fun!
-Fabricator General's Prototype Bodyguard (as The Homonculex) (220/2=110)-The Primarch TALOS DAV1S 380 points-Prototype Knight Moirax with rad cleanser; graviton pulsar; volkite veuglaire. 160 points-ED1SON as Legion Techmarine 80 points-VADAR as Legion Praetor 100 points-Ursarax Cohort, 3 Automata, Jump Packs (120/2=60 points)-Contemptor Dreadnought Talon, 1 dreadnought, x2 Dreadnought Chainfist 160 points+with Prototype Incaendius Jetpack 20 points-Legion Assault squad, 20 men, 4x power axe, sarge has power fist [465pts]Some options to include more Skitarii (at half off Auxilia prices)-Myrmidon Secutor, 2 models with Phased Plasma Fusil, Graviton Gun, and Power Axe (120 points)>This subcult of Skitarii combat specialists are the elite of the elite when it comes to both Techpriests and Skitarii, and are on the search for the homeworld of their bretheren in the fabled Calixis Sector-Skitarii Vanguard, 6 Models armed with the heavier weapons available to their list (At least one Transuranic for example) (120/2=60 points)-Adseculari Covenant "Tech Thralls", 20 models, (120/2=60 points)-Adseculari Covenant "Tech Thralls", 20 models, (120/2=60 points)-Pteraxii Sterylizors, 1 alpha and 9 men, (80/2=40 points)-Prototype Ogryn Charonite Squad, 6 Ogryns, (80 points)+Bone'ead Upgrades to them all, so they are smart 40 points>Because why wouldn't the Imperium have found them by now? And surely we couldn't make them smart no?Behold, "TalOS' bastard hordes of Auxilia". Techincally speaking for the trade of 465 points we can get all this. My reasoning is we should only get half of the thralls, pteraxii and skitarii since they are rather lower tier units compared to marines. Priests and Ogryns would probably be best as full price I wager.Heading off to work so no time to make very detailed equipments, but you get the picture. Anyone can make suggestions as needed. Hopefully they can either support the heavier units, or at least act in their role as chaff (esp. the Adsecularii if we even bother to include them and just not more skitarii, but never underestimate the value of chaff).
>>5452209I will make a change to this list, we need the Acillians in this. So I will replace one of the twenty men for twenty acillians.
>>5452366Also Steel Wardens, you cannot forget about them. Sadly they will replace the bodyguard robot.
>>5452366Do we have a HH/7th ed statline and point costs for acillians?
>>5452374Not that I think... But points cost wise they will be the same as Standard Legionnaires.
>>5452359the third vote for "duel" is actually for "Arena" with our sons vs his
>>5452378You are right, so its more in that favor.
>>5452377All good, as long as they're the same pointswise we can figure the rest out from Nano's notes
“Fulgrim, what do I have to prove to you in the matters of a duel?” TalOS asked his brother as he glided his hand through the air, “It is my sons who need veneration, who have been scorned by your deepest insults.” The grin on Fulgrim grew wider as he heard those words, “You seek battle for your sons?” “Yes Fulgrim, I will prove to you that my Acillians are above the Astartes in more way than you can imagine.” TalOS declared as he tightened his hand with fury, “On the outskirts of my Forgespire is a Colosseum, I have already sent an order to have it modified for our uses. Your men will be issued training bolters and laser weapons if you so wish them to.” “The one piece of your mind that is still of our Father’s making is functioning well it seems.” Fulgrim declared with a laugh, “My Legionnaires will assemble and agree to this, it has been a while since they’ve fought side by side.” “Good, I will like you to know that my sons will bring in Auxiliary for this battle. Many of them have been trained to operate side by side with these automatons and I do not wish to give you that handicap.” “Ha! I can accept that. Any of your robots are worth an Astartes in my eyes, for they cannot defeat them.” “That would be rather generous, Filgrim.” TalOS admitted as he heard the declaration. “Any Emperor’s Children will defeat any of your machines of war, I guarantee it.” He said while turning to the side and beginning his leave, “I will get my men ready, we will meet together in two Hours Brother. I saw your Colosseum already so I will meet you there.” He did not give TalOS much time it seemed, but the Primarch was okay with it. With a series of Noospheric communications TalOS activated the Mitarii and Captains who were upon Lucius, with orders of getting them ready for battle. As he did this TalOS looked towards his mother, +Sorry E11IE, it seems the two of us will not be sharing food today.+ The woman gave a nod as she heard those words, “You will not get along with everyone. Now go and prove him wrong.” TalOS gave a mighty laugh as he heard those words, “I will.”
The sun was high in the sky over a large amount of debris. The field was completely scattered with it, making numerous locations to act as both high and low areas of combat. While there were plenty of structures that were tall enough to block one’s sight from on the battlefield, they were only tall enough for such. The people on the high rise were given the chance to look down upon the festivities without impediment, such was its design. On these fields were five spots, one in each of the deployment areas and three out in the middle of the field. These were each marked by a survo-skull that had a series of blinking lights upon it. Primarily, there was a red light for those acting in the Proelitor and purple for those of the Emperor’s Children. Simple control points, the victor was decided by how long each of these points were held. As the Shielding systems came up TalOS looked over his troops. There were a total of forty eight of his sons among those present. A great number of them were Acillians, far greater than what might have been standard, but TalOS knew such a thing was necessary to bring the point home. As TalOS looked over his men he caught sight of two sons and approached them, +Reich Marshal Vadar, Mitarii ED1SON, I thank you both for joining me on this endeavor today. ED1SON I know that you have other obligations, and the same to you Vadar.+ +Your call cannot be ignored.+ Answered the Astartes as he tightened his grip on his weapon, +I have seen the feed, I will not let this slight pass us.+ +I agree. To ignore progress and innovation will doom the Emperor’s Children even before they become great.+ declared ED1SON as he looked upon his father, +And Magos L3P3R suggested I come, Father. Upon witnessing what occurred he demanded that I take his Automatons to the field.+ +And they will be useful.+ TalOS said as he bore sight to three Ursarax Battleautomita, +Of all the things Fulgrim will underestimate it will be these machines of war. Make him pay for such insolence.+ +I will do so Father. Upon the Machine God’s name it will be done.+ Declared the Acillian while making a cog for the sake of honor.
TalOS then looked away from his immediate sons and towards those that were at the ready. There were twenty Acillians and Twenty Astartes, each equipped with training weapons that would not directly harm the enemy. Well, it would not harm them if they were wearing proper pieces of armor as the need for feedback was necessary for the sport. They were in the colosseum after all, they cannot simply let this not be a show of lasers and such. As TalOS walked he looked upon the massive chassi of a dreadnought. The machine’s body was comparable to his own where it stood mightily. TalOS gave a small prayer as he checks over the machine. Some things were perfect, others needed the touch of a Fabricator General to truly make great for this machine of the greatest war. +Serve me well, Lantiss. In time I hope to make your life better.+ TalOS told the man within the machine with a small bow. Somehow TalOS could feel the surprise from the Astartes within. He did not say anything though to his Father. He simply gave a bow to honor his Primarch at this moment. He took a last glance at the Morax that was with them. A Noble Knight was inside of it, ready to represent the mortals just to rub salt into the wounds of Fulgrim’s defeat. As they were finishing up TalOS had the Steel Wardens wrap themselves around him. Each of them armed to the teeth with pistols and shields to protect TalOS from the rest of the fight. TalOS knew he would need it when his brother inevitably came to him for a duel. +My Sons!+ TalOS spoke in binaric so that it would not be heard by both the people outside and his brother, +We have been slighted by the 3rd Primarch. He does not give an ounce of respect to both the Cult Mechanicum, Lucius, or your persons. He sees us as disfigured men who threw themselves into a heresy against his Father. We will prove him wrong, my Sons, prove to him the power of the Machine God! DEUS MECHANICUS!+ +DEUS MECHANICUS!+>Take them at the front with a spear head. >Take optimal positions and pelt them down with gunfire>Use the automata and Knight to flank from the side>*Write in your own battleplan*
>>5452392>Use the automata and Knight to flank from the side
>>5452369Fair. Tbh I wasnt sure what they would count as. We haven't discovered terminator armor yet.
>>5452392>>Use the automata and Knight to flank from the sideAnything but hey diddle diddle straight up the middle, we're not Wolves or World Eaters ffs.
>>5452392>Use the automata and Knight to flank from the sideUse the distance my sons, the Astartes excell at fighting nose to nose but you shall exceed and cut them down
>>5452392>Pin the Children down with range fire as the Automata and Knight flank from the sides, This will either draw them to charge one side or the center. At which point we will be able to engulf them.
>>5451531Say QM, hypothetically TalOS only showed his sons barging in to be polite and not show his trump cards yes?For example, if Fulgrim really did try and kill us we would have instant deployable shield projectors from the walls, multplie lascannon and disintegration turrets pop out, teleport flares for automata in and teleport out evacuation routes and so on yes? I'm sure our boy plans ahead. No alpha legionnaires assassinating us in our casual clothes or fulgrim sucker punching us and walking away!
>>5452388>The woman gave a nod as she heard those words, “You will not get along with everyone. Now go and prove him wrong.”mommyyyyyyy
alright this is the first turn. We have a more varied comp and certanly longer range. It is best if we stay in range and fire.>>Take optimal positions and pelt them down with gunfireKnights are cool but keeping them away from the enemy makes them worth it lots, even moreso if they get to soak up many shots from the enemy anti-infantry (blasts and such)
Why are we answeriing this question without a description of the enemy deployment?
>>5452584Because you cannot see it. If you could, then it would be an eternal checking of who does what.
>>5452392>Take optimal positions and pelt them down with gunfireWe do not know how Fulgrim will start his attack, so I belive that pinning them this round before flanking them with our auxiliary forces the next will be optimal.
>>5452392>Take optimal positions and pelt them down with gunfire. All guns, all guns blazing! It's time to make our mother proud.
He's underestimating Auxiliaries. Robots with human brains soaked in drug cocktails that make Eversor assassins look like teeotallers.He's going to have a bad time.
>>5452392>>Take optimal positions and pelt them down with gunfireWe shall show them that the flesh is weak
Time to figure out performance, d100 bo3
Rolled 89 (1d100)>>5453032
Rolled 88 (1d100)>>5453032
>>5453070On the options field anon
Rolled 30 (1d100)>>5453032
>>5453072Yeah thx, have read afeter my failure to follow simple instruction, it seems that machine spirit don't favour me. At leas it's not a NAT 1
>>5453046DEUS MECHANICUS VULT!>>5452205>Omnissiah, I would absolutely love to just turn off every weapon and piece of Armour our enemies have, the Machine Spirits obey the Tech-ProphetBtw you might be interested in thisIt's absolutely possible to hack and override a space marines armor, his augmentics, even bolters have computer chips inside them. The Eldar were able to manage it with sorcery, but a powerful AI like the Spirit of Eternity could do it too (pic related)Oh what level of Techomancy would we need to make such a feat even possible!Can you believe Cawl was able to intentionally find this thing before it left the Galaxy and best it in a game of wits? I wonder just how he was able to do that. And if TalOS could do better.
>>5453099>new objective: Backdoor each and every piece of equipement within the Imperium's arsenal, and yes, even Leman's sword. We will make the ancient warlocks of the NSA pale in comparison
>>5453125>TalOS becomes the ones that glowsSaint Terry would be disappointed with us
>>5453128Good point but to be fair, in these godless times where neither Saint Davis' Revelations are known to the world nor Patriarch Stallman's Dogma is impervious to the blasphemous taint of the Warp, is it not our duty to fulfill the Machine God's will, regardless of luminosity?
>>5453135It was more of a joke because TalOS was made based on Terry, we already went glowie on Horus and do spy shit with Apharius. That idea feels right on track with his paranoia.
>>5453046>INB4 Qm rolls 90
Rolled 67, 66 = 133 (2d100)>>5453220Well lets see. I know normally its just one roll for the opposing side but he is a Primarch, so I give two.
>>5453291As expected of the perfect Legion, they are perfectly predictable.
FLANK>>5452395>>5452417>>5452438>>5452440>>5452462Optimal Firing Positions>>5452701>>5452765>>5452964>>5452549And thus it is determined.
As they released a warcry into the air the buzzer declaring the beginning of the match occurred. Over the air TalOS could hear the activation of the Stormbird that Fulgrim arrived in, taking flight. Just as this happened the numerous energy weapons of the Acillians and Astartes clicked to active, a powerful hum soon prevalent across their side of battle. TalOS sent a series of communications and declarations to the groups present, but of all the commands TalOS gave one was definitive +My Sons, engage Shroudsalm, in honor of the Machine God.+ TalOS’s communication was a the switch that activated the systems of the Cult Members. The binaric chatterbox that was upon every Proelitor and machine began to give a feed of binaric chittering. Such chittering was a specific frequency set just for the planet of Lucius itself, which caused the water molecules in the air to begin vibrating. To his opponents and the crowd it looked as if the entire front of Astartes were covered in a thick layer of fog that obscured their vision. As his sons marched forward and started firing TalOS and his cohort walked forward. The Primarch’s eyes looked upon the ship that was steadily coming across the battlefield looking for a preferred target for itself to shoot at. For a moment TalOS wondered why Fulgrim thought it sound to bring such a vessel into their battle. Maybe there was some vanity there in that he was showing off, or maybe it was to buff his forces just that tiny bit more. TalOS did not care for he looked at a Machine whose spirit was not cared for in some time. So he raised his hand, +Oh Machine Spirit, the one who has seen many worlds and many battles, do you truly wish to fight your creators? No, you do not.+ Such was the shuttle’s state that those words and a few data dijin were enough to coax the Machine Spirit into subservience. He watched as the turrets of the guns spun in place and the flight pattern of the machine was now starting to deviate off course from their little battlefield. It was then that TalOS heard the starting of new engine motors. To his right ED1SON was manipulating his cogitator to feed the war-constructs instructions on how to best fight their enemies. Last minute adjustments like these were expected in an ever changing battle. It was when the last changes were made that the Acillian raised his arm, giving the air a chop as the Ursarax took flight.
TalOS finally caught sight of the core battlefield where the two groups of Astartes were meeting. The first thing that took him was the mass of Astartes from both sides creeping their way into the middle. Behind the Emperor’s children were a pair of ornately armored transhumanism, which TalOS took to be acting in the role of commissars for their warriors. The mob of warriors they were championing were acting well together, but missorder was rampant among their ranks. TalOS had done a quick study of the Emperor’s Children and learned that they were viciously low in number. The reason was that their stocks of genestuff were destroyed, This caused the Emperor’s children to never fight in number and instead take on that commissar role for standard mortal troops. The irony of this moment was that, if TalOS were to guess, that this was the greatest number of Emperor’s Children fighting together at one. It was because of this they did not have teamwork. Instead of teamwork TalOS watched as several of their number quickly began breaking line and rushing forward into the onslaught of gunfire that was provided by the Acillians. Many of them were not alone in this, about six of them doing so. These men were shot at and the Machine Spirits quickly declared them dead. It was when TalOS reached a high point that he saw the full battle for what it was. The Shroudsalm had protected the Acillians and their Astarte’s kin from the worst of the 3rd Legion’s gunfire, causing the 3rd to try and cross the gap for the sake of retaliation. Only to drive the point home TalOS elected to choose one group of his Acillian sons, +My Sons, join me in prayer to venerate the Machine God! Through his grace shall our aim to true and ruinous!+ To those words the voxcasters his sons had been using to maintain the cloud dissipated and instead prayer came. Each and everyone one of them giving thanks and prayers to their weapons’s machine spirits, which caused their aim to become perfect. It was a slaughter in the middle at that point as Legionnaires were falling left and right. The Astartes who were sent forward to hold the middle, with Vadar among them, turning the middle point to their color. As this happened TalOS looked into the sky to see that the Automatons flew into the air to be met by Astartes jump pack troops. Said troopers quickly learned not to deal so closely with these Machines as over half the Emperor’s children were sent careening into the ground with serious injuries. To compound these injuries TalOS watched as the Dreadnaught walked his way onto the far point joined by the Knight. Both wrecked havoc and claimed another position for the Astartes.
TalOS could only wonder about the anger within Fulgrim as he finally decided to throw himself off the shuttle he was hiding in. The turrets of the gunship and all other systems were compromised. TalOS did not even need to raise a finger as the pilot took the vessel off the battlefield to prevent a crash from occurring. TalOS would not have allowed the vessel to crash like that, but the pilot might not have even known TalOS was the source of the attack. TalOS watched seconds later as Fulgrim finally took the field. He knew it would hurt his lines, but watching the glorious to see a Primarch taking the field. Astartes were sent flying into the air as he ran up to them, his weapon easily picking them up with the blunted edge. But even as he took the field it did not help his own sons too much. TalOS watched as his entombed son teleported from one end of the battlefield to the other, quickly rushing into the rear most lines along with the Automatons. Even when the Commissars came at them the Dreadnaught sent them flying across the field in a rather humorous display. While they were taking out his commanders, TalOS watched as Fulgrim’s guardians arrived as well, cutting a swath into the Astartes. Bloody it was, TalOS watched as his Astartes were taken to a man with Vadar forced to fight Fulgrim. He lasted five seconds. With his defeat the light changed to purple and Fulgrim looked at TalOS with sheer contempt. He knew that TalOS won, and he was now forced to look down an Acillian gunline. Now was just the final moments of a damning battle that TalOS won handedly.Would TalOS try and rub it in? To give his brother that one on one fight he was likely craving at the moment? If he did then TalOS might be able to actually mend his brother’s honor and respect, while if he tried his damndest to prevent the occurrence it would solidify the defeat so well that it will likely never heal. That of course assumes TalOS does not win against his brother. If he did, Fulgrim will never let this day go as the day he faced total failure. >Let's do the duel!>Let Fulgrim have the chance to catch TalOS>Walk away and take the remaining point. He won’t get his fight.
>>5453381As memory serves a 30+ difference is large enough for a major defeat, thus it was given to the looser.
>>5453381>Let Fulgrim have the chance to catch TalOS
>>5453381>Walk away and take the remaining point. He won’t get his fight.Blue balls the fucker
>>5453381>Let Fulgrim have the chance to catch TalOS. This is an excellent opportunity for Tal0S to prove that when melee isn't involved, he can destroy anyone.
>>5453381>Let fulgrim have a chance>"You have now seen the might of my sons, and the strength of steel. I hope this was enlightening."Win or lose now, we have won. I don't care for actually having his "respect" at all, but if he can catch up, he deserves to face us directly.
>>5453381> Lets do the duel.
>>5453381>>Walk away and take the remaining point. He won’t get his fight.What is logical is sacred
>>5453381>>Walk away and take the remaining point. He won’t get his fight.Can't wait to hear the seething.
>>5453381>Walk away and take the remaining point. He won’t get his fight.I'm conflicted because on one hand I think Talos wouldn't want to create a permanent rift between himself and a sibling. But then I remembered what Fulgrim said and I realized that a cum-haired narcissist like him isn't a sibling of ours he is merely another statistic to take into account and if we would not forgive a proper machine god worshipping serf for this behavior why would we care enough to forgive a heretic like fulgrim
Let him have his chance>>5453391>>5453402>>5453405>>5453413>>5453411Don't allow him>>5453396>>5453411>>5453559>>5453670>>5453675Duel!>>5453503This is just checking the numbers.
>>5453697Voting has not stopped yet. I want to make that clear.
>>5453697Im in favour of a duel because it will be good data for our matrix.
>>5453381>Let fulgrim have a chanceFor information gathering on our part more than anything
>"This caused the Emperor’s children to never fight in number and instead take on that commissar role for standard mortal troops."That's a little bit like what many of our own Acillians do with Skitarii and Aux. Except we have the noosphere and maintain strict digital organization. No charging madly ahead of the aux for us.>Instead of teamwork TalOS watched as several of their number quickly began breaking line and rushing forward into the onslaught of gunfire that was provided by the Acillians.Typical nobles hungry for glory, but they don't know the best way to do that is in a knight frame and not foot slogging>TalOS watched as his entombed son teleported from one end of the battlefield to the otherAdvanced Solar Flare eh? Lovely! More than the one time use, I love it. Maybe it is the better way to go than jump jet. Has the drawback of needing to see where you want to teleport but far more useful in use for evasion and interception.
Overall this battle went spectacularly! It's exactly how I envisioned the 2nd Legion would fight against another brother. Superiority of arms and armaments, combined with not being stupid and an utter devotion to fire lines and raw, undiluted DAKKA. It's glorious!>>5453381>Let Fulgrim have the chance to catch TalOS>Use this as another opportunity for Primarch Combat data collection>Our brother is the best swordsman we have seen yet and he fights with earnest. Pay attention, learn, and absorbFulgrim's skill with a blade is legend. We have proven ourselves the superior commander. That is what matters. It is known from our battles with Russ that we make no claim to being the superior warrior.Besides we need data, we always need data. We'll fight with everyone of our brothers and learn how it is they fight and improve ourselves as a result.
>>5453381>>5453846I agree with SoN here, that alone is reason enough to have the fight, since we proved what was actually important to us: The Value of our sons!But i would like to add an offer of sportsmanship from our sons to this outcome, it was Fulgrim and Fulgrim alone that dealt the insult to TaL0S and the Acillians, everyone of our sons that wants to is free to try and connect with their 3rd Legion cousins.Also give props to Vadar to fight a melee focused Primarch one on one for 5 seconds, despite that short amount of time its quite an achievement nonetheless.
>Let Fulgrim have the chance to catch TalOS
>>5453381>Let Fulgrim have the chance to catch TalOSMore combat data is required
Judging by the votes now, I will need another bo3. Hes a Primarch after all.
Rolled 62 (1d100)>>5454168No worries guys, i am gonna take the bad roll.
Rolled 44 (1d100)>>5454168
Rolled 34 (1d100)>>5454168Let's hope that overconfidence doesn't decide to be a slow and insidious killer today.
Rolled 12 (1d100)>>5454168
>>5454168QM is that "62" the doll's new value, or Tal0S's new die against two new ones?
>>5454220It's our, he will roll a 2d100 for Fulgrim, like last round
>>5454223So Tal0S once again lost. I hope we at least get some extra points for the full gear we're using.
So, fightinkig tow Primarch will give enough data to remodel MC's body into something less killable, because seriously - it's a bit funny, but only a bit. Haha, that's may be the only quest where Primarch sucks against his brothers in combat, haha. Shit, why can't I stop laughing. Cegorach fuck off already! Ahaha
>>5454178The the trick is simply not to be overconfident and anticipate defeat. Better to be bested by our brothers now, learn how to fight them, and then be underestimated for the Horus Heresy and win.We're not even half the mechanical monster we intend our final form to be yet either. We've still just reached Fulgrim's height.
>>5454248Think of it like the robot from Incredibles. TalOS analyzes his brothers' fighting style through defeats, then upgrades his body again and becomes bigger and stronger the next time.
Rolled 34, 35 = 69 (2d100)>>5454240he just needs to roll lower than 62 on two d100's. we haven't lost yet.
>>5454260see just like this. also damn what are the odds of a sequence like that.
>>5454260Let's hope you're right, but I think sixty is too low.
>>5454258And in the end he dies in the end?
>>5454262and of a total like that.Slaanesh wills it.
>>5454258Don't forget that we will be giving our brothers a lot of spyware our man to help them, data collection is only natural then.
Rolled 74, 50 = 124 (2d100)SPEND ALL THE ROLLSalso remember that one time the god emperor of mankind showed up on lucius and Tal40s was like "dad can you tone it down a little?" shit was cash
>>5454457That was also the last time he spoke with us directly. Pity, I was expecting he'd enjoy doing more sciencey and historical exploration things with us. But we are much to busy with empire building, guess Vulcan will enjoy spending those long years with him then.
Rolled 38, 6 = 44 (2d100)Dice for Fulgrim
Rolled 46 (1d100)>>5454486Just curious as I was debating it, what would have been his third die?
>>5454488Sucks to suck pretty boi.
>>5454486>>5454488Perfect boy still managed to lose even with our 62.Must have gotten our luck when we we fought Russ
>>5454486>Go suck a forest of dicks doll. Could this have serious consequences in the future? Perhaps. But now what matters is that the "perfect lord" discovered that dragons don't need perfection to be useful or victorious.
I imagine this will be like the fight between Khan and Mortarion. Khan notes how slow Morty is, how he's literally able to dance around him, but the damn big guy just won't go down no matter how much he slices. It doesn't even phase him. Mortarion, save for perhaps Ferrus, was unmatched in his physical strength and endurance. Khan thought that they complemented each others weaknesses, and no force in the galaxy could stand up to both of them.Fulgrim is fast, graceful, his every move perfect and his skill with a blade unparalleled. But TalOS is a bag of dark age tricks wrapped up in the form of a tank and spewing fire and plasma. A knight fighting a fire breathing dragon, he's gonna need a better sword than whatever he's got now. You cut into him, and nothing actually bleeds. There's nothing beneath the armor, he IS the armor.Also probably what helps a ton is just deploying a few tricks we've learned from Russ, that's probably the biggest thing TalOS has going for him. His capacity for knowledge, combined with an enhanced body surpassing his original primarch limitations.
TalOS looked upon the battle like a victorious king as his brother tried his damndest to rally his men. Fulgrim gave TalOS one nasty eye that would have killed dozens of people if he had ant psychic potential about his person. But he did not, instead getting his sons to unite around him for the final push towards their now real objective. TalOS. Within seconds the herd of Emperor’s Children began charging through the center taking down the rest of the Astartes. Quickly laying them to waste it did not stop the Acillians from giving dozens of volleys into the mass of bodies. While his sons under the Emperor were gone, it did not mean TalOS couldn’t make their lives worth it. +My Sons, link your vox casters to mine and speak the Holy Word!+ TalOS declared as he felt over a dozen links snap to him, +The Machine God’s spark of divinity, the Electron, courses through all of us with a righteous fervor that nothing in reality can put down. Allow the Negative power to flow through you and course! Allow his blessings to encompass your body!+ As TalOS called upon his sons their bodies began to change. Each and every one of them did as they were called upon and followed his sermon in a most glorious communion with the divine essence. Each and every one of them could feel that charge and know for this moment that the Machine God was helping them fight. It was then that the Astartes crashed into the Acillians. Like a hammer slamming into an anvil the men rebounded as the frontliners were sent back with electrical current. Those that were able to strike at the Acillians found their bodies unresponsive or inaccurate. They were Astartes though, and many of them were able to push through the electricity to strike good hits. Even the elites of Fulgrim struggled against their bodies when faced with the Machine God’s blessings. They will not succeed in routing or defeating the Acillians, for those who were locked in combat were quickly charged from behind by two Automatons of ED1SON’s control. The Astartes were quickly slaughtered by the retaliatory attack of the Acillians and the mechanical strength of the machines. It did not matter to Fulgrim. As he crossed over the battle TalOS looked upon the most furious face of his brother. Laid low was the Primarch that he looked to be almost willing to murder TalOS. In this anger he charged.
TalOS did not know what Fulgrim thought would happen. Maybe he was thinking that if only get TalOS to trade blades with him that he would be able to recover from this defeat. To repair a broken ego that was beginning to shatter even before it was won. TalOS might have entertained the thought of giving him that chance, or getting rid of such a chance. He allowed him this chance though. Fulgrim’s charge caused him to plow through Acillians, each of whose bodies played tricks upon his own. Perfect was the body of Fulgrim but it was still flesh. Even the Machine could not ignore the presence of the Machine God’s spark. “TALOS!” He roared when he made his final stretch. In response TalOS raised his hand. The Mechanicus knew so much about the world around them but also so little. The facts and realities that brought them to this moment would be baffling to a non initiate. A Priest though was charged with learning and performing these feats of knowledge to the best of their ability. For TalOS, who felt that time was always running against him, decided that time was the first thing to be mastered. It was because of this that Fulgrim slowed to a crawl. His perfect body and powerful soul powerless against the raw might of Understanding. He tried to power through it with sheer will power. TalOS knew that this could be done with the psychic might that all his brothers had but by only slowing his brother TalOS robbed him of that through the Blackstone. There was no need to fight directly in this. There was little need to perform a duel with blades. TalOS looked at his Omnissian Axe knowing that he might have a chance against his brother. He did not chance it. Never would TalOS chance fighting one of his brothers in open combat. Today TalOS had given his brother the closest any of his kin would have in destroying TalOS, only to fail. Failure does not cut it in war. With another thought TalOS had a Mechanrite wielding a Disintegration Beam, and fired the exercise shot of it. TalOS had the satisfaction of watching his heretical brother’s face turn sour as he realized he was a failure.
The Machine Spirit of the buzzer sounded off as Fulgrim fell to one knee. No longer trapped within a piece of Dark Age Technology he was given his few seconds to breath and realize what happened. Of all the things TalOS expected it was not Fulgrim rising with a dangerous smile creeping upon his face. “You’ve beaten me, Brother.” He announced outright with a small amount of anger going through his tongue, “I had heard that Leman Russ called you the Dragon. When I looked upon you from the battlefield you were not a man or a King, but a beast playing with his prey. It is an adequate name, and I will make sure everyone knows you by it.” Those words were a coping mechanism. TalOS was being dehumanized by the Primarch in an attempt to save face. After all, if TalOS was not a Primarch but a Dragon, then maybe he was greater than the most perfect of beings. In the end TalOS did not feel it was reasonable to correct him and rub salt into those wounds, especially when it only made TalOS’s own image greater. “You should heed the words of my brother, never insult me within my own lair. These are my worlds Fulgrim, and I will guard them selfishly.” TalOS responded to drive the point home. “I will keep that in mind.” Languished the man as he rose to meet his brother’s eyes, “I had come here for many things TalOS but the prime most above them all was a summons by a request by our Father. I had heard that he did not think it at first, but all of our other brothers partitioned your entry as the Mechanicum Representative in the War Council.” TalOS looked upon his brother confused for a moment, “While I am Fabricator General that does not give me the rights to represent the entire Mechanicum. This should go through the proper channels.” “TalOS you are stiff.” Fulgrim shot back with a hint of annoyance, “I stand here today as testament that you should be the one sitting on the council, not some no-named Priest from Mars. I nor Horus will stand for anyone other than our brothers to sit upon the Council!” >Accept his invitation>Decline it.
>>5454556>Decline it.Lmao, Fuck the False Machine God..
>>5454556>Accept his invitation>Send a message to Kelbor Hal to inform himThe Fabricator general is our ally, so let's work with him as well.
>>5454556>>Accept his invitation
>>5454556>Decline it.>Send a message to Kelbor Hal to inform him. We are not a tyrant autocrat but a legitimately crowned monarch, we will not impose ourselves on the will of millions without the necessary preparations. Second we have to keep our word, I didn't agree with the decision, but that's doesn't mean I'm going to ignore it.
>>5454556>Accept his invitation>>5454561Let's stop by Mars first before Earth for the political clout
>>5454579Changing my vote to this but meeting Kelbor in person rather than sending a message >>5454576
>>5454552>As TalOS called upon his sons their bodies began to change. Each and every one of them did as they were called upon and followed his sermon in a most glorious communion with the divine essence. Each and every one of them could feel that charge and know for this moment that the Machine God was helping them fight.Amazing. As you can see here this little trick only costs one (1) cp and forces the enemy to fight last.
>>5454555TRIPS OF UNDERSTANDING.I didn't think this through... THIS is what we need. We need to push T4L0S forward by battling demi-gods like Fulgrim!!!
>>5454555Wow! Our chronomancy! At last, and we didn't have to cut off our soul evidently. Huh, thought that would be a pre-requisite else our connection to the warp would fuck us over.Though, this must show an incredible amount of trust in Russ because we duel him regularly. Did we really suspect Fulgrim could try to slay us in what is meant to be a non-lethal duel?
>>5454556>>Accept his invitationOne does not simply refuse the Emperor's summons
>>5454556>Decline it.>"I am busy, and I trust Kelbor Hal."
>>5454586>Though, this must show an incredible amount of trust in Russ because we duel him regularly. Did we really suspect Fulgrim could try to slay us in what is meant to be a non-lethal duel?I understand that Russ never had evil in his heart during the duels. He just wanted to fuck shit up. Fulgrim on the other hand...
>>5454556>Decline it.>Write-in: "It is not my right to simply assume a position that will influence not only my own people, but the entire construct that is the Mechanicus. There are rules and precedent that must be set and made, which can not happen if i simply force my way through it all and thereby ensure that future generations lack the rituals and knowledge that this affair will bring. So no, i must decline. For the good of my people, now and forever."
>>5454588Dubs confirm. I also want to insist on going and representing the Mechanicum. In that place we can voch for the interests of the whole better than Kelbor Hal.Yes, this is another attempt from Big E to subvert the mechanicum but I find it adequate to go there. Yet another reason is THE PRIMARCHS, ALL TOGETHER!!! So cool. Way funnier to write than being stuck on our federation playing SimCity. We will also get to talk to Malcador and UZ1 and possibly get new shit... we could get a word or two to the emperor about stuff...We can do so much by accepting this rather than declining it. Think on the QM too guys, come on! Who doesn't want their OC OUR OC rubbing shoulders with the protagonist of the setting
>>5454596Pushing the matter further>>I had heard that he did not think it at first, but all of our other brothers partitioned your entry as the Mechanicum Representative in the War Council.”We can't let our brothers down like this. This is T4L0S being too cool to play with them.
>>5454596>protagonist of the settingPerturabo isn't yet on Terra, but it would be nice to be with him, i agree.Still, we had a rather big talk with the Fabricator General of Mars that we weren't going to do this kind of fuckery and we are a man/machine of our word!
Anons can we all agree with talking with Kel about this, either through messages or personally, whether we accept or decline the offer? We gave him our support last thread, and even though we refused the explorator offer and installed backdoor on Mars, we should show some trust to keep it going.
>>5454596Lol, Best boi isn't found yet and your loyalty to the TRUE followers of the machine god is found lacking.
Just a small note for all of us, but we did talk to Kel about this and the conversation went a bit like this:Mars Fab-Gen: “‘aight, i heard you’se was some big shot, so i’s want you in my group so we’s don’t come to have no beef, you dig?”TalOS: “Nah senpai, imma just be chillin in my crib and doin’ some funky tech shiet.”Mars Fab-Gen: “Oh, word?” TalOS: “word my dude, word~~”Mars Fab-Gen: “‘aight, we cool then!”
>>5454556>Decline it.>Send a message to Kelbor Hal to inform him.
>>5454556> Decline it.We should minister services to that Stormbird while its in our clutches. It might even end up being his famous vessel from the novel.
I just realized that Fulgrim is going to be blamed for us not joining the council because he acted like a manchild and threw a tantrum because he didn't like what we created and did to improve ourselves
>>5454586Its not real chronomancy, but dark age tech.
>>5454699Ah. Something akin to that autorepulsor device Cawl carries around then or the Moment Shackle that Valdor has. Neat.
>>5454660Fulgrim will say that we didn't actually fight him, just deployed our mechanical tricks against him to slow him down. It wasn't an 'honorable duel'. Which is true.He wanted us to show how good war are at war. We don't do honorable duels in war. We do brawls with our brothers, but war goes to the victor by any means.
>>5454556>Decline it.Too much science to do
you guys realize if we don't accept we don't get to be quartermaster of the crusade.
>>5454556>"I shall have to consider it">Send a message to Kelbor Hal
>>5454596I agree in principle to nearly everything you say, but I don't want to subvert our given word. Lets put this through to Hal on priority 1 communications, spin it as a touch base between him and big E.I want to accept, but this must be done properly to prevent factionalising.
>>5454745Shit. . .that's a very critical point. It's something we've been planning since thread 1
>>5454596I would be fine with not playing SimCity if we could get someone to handle the gigantic and big "To-Do" list. We aren't doing it for fun alone.Although, desu, organizing the Federation is fun and I think TalOS enjoys it almost as much as Guilliman does.If we had a way to handle our affairs with the Federation or at least get somebody or something to work on it on our stead, someway to delegate vital projects to our subordinates, I'd be all for leaving and going to join the Crusade more openly. But not even Guilliman was able to do that, he had to put real sweat and tears to get his 500 worlds.And you best believe TalOS is going to have at least 500+ worlds.It's a tricky situation.
>>5454556>Decline it.>Send a message to Kelbor Hal to inform him.We are not the head of the mechanicus, we could only do this if Kelbor allows it
>>5454907Change this to>"I shall have to consider it">Send a message to Kelbor Hal
> this appointment serves no great purpose beyond the politics of Horus. I must decline.Seriously. This will divide the Mechanicus.I mean we're already dividing the Mechanicus. No need to clue Mars in early. Or to introduce fractures that the Heresy
That the Heresy can take advantage of.Transhumanism isn't within the emperor's plans
>>5454929>>5454556supporting this messageThe mechanicus is slowly stabalizing bewteen Mars rulership and The Lucian Federation's peaceful challange to it by sheer size alone, better be honest with Kelbor Hal and avoid causing issue that would lead to Titans Walking in the long run.I mean talking it over with Kelbor Hal and joining later on isn't out of the question, just better to have an understanding before then.
It's actually pretty simple matter, whether MC consulte with Kel'bor Hal or not:MC's agreement with Kel'bor was that either we become subservant to him in exchange for Lucius. And we agreed to this. At this moment we've lost the opportunity to trully absorb Mechanicus and also MC didn't become Hal's rival. If Hal isn't on the council - that means he is subservient. There is no if's or but's in politic. If we accept then we became Quartermaster and go in direct conflict with Hal, and more importantly we break MC's word to him, making TalOS two faced. If we don't - then we don't became the directly Quartermaster but keep our word to Kel'bor.Kel'bor is our liege now and he may assign MC as Quartermaster to Crusader later on, but the seat on the conicl is his and he likely won't give it away - too much political power will go away if he make TalOS his representative at the council. And he don't actually trust TalOS.So the question is: Is TalOS two faced or not?
>>5455002We are subservient to Mars but this doesn't mean we will not be the quartermaster. I believe Kelbor will give us his blessing to act as Mars's diplomat and speaker of the house seeing as we are not rivals to him and aren't gunning for the position of the Fabricator General of Mars.
>>5454561Changing my vote to>>5454787>Support
>>5454787Meant to support this anon, but since he voted for the same thing it's less bad
>>5455007Yes we are not hunning for position of FG of Mars, but MCcan still overthrown him and make Lucius the new capital of Mechanicus Empire! It's of course not be a quick process, maybe it would need a few milleniua but he will give the right tools for MC to do it, and what are a few milleniua for FG? Not much. Now why FG of Mars would he want to do that? And from capital it will just become a prison for void dragon. Emperor approves.
>>5455066Holly shit, how many mistakes, even my eyes are burning by reading this and I'm the one who wrote it...
>>5455002 My thoughts clearly written, thank you very much. I would like to add that although the answers are written differently they all boil down to: >Yes I accept to be the representative of the cult without consulting anyone before accepting this proposal, besides of course breaking my promise.Or>I will not make a unilateral decision without assessing the political legitimacy of taking this position, furthermore the cult's representation on the council is not something that should be decided by people outside the council, regardless of the authority of the Person in question.
>>5455002Equally important is the simple fact that if we do this now, it's going to detract from our ever limited time influencing and organizing the Federation and our Legion, time which is running out both IC and OOC.Sadly we may not be able to both become the Imperium's quartermaster while also achieving many of the dreams of the Federation. Better to focus on the Federation in such a case.Even with Six Arms, TalOS just isn't able to juggle everything. Better to focus on what we can.
>inb4 we get an angry voice mail from Hal yelling stuff like "YOU IDIOT WHY DID YOU DECLINE NOW MARS AND THE MECHANICUM HAS NO SAY IN THE CRUSADE"Now the mechanicum will be a service and infraestructure provider with no option to claim new worlds and expand. Oh but Lucius cool right?
>>5454556>"I shall have to consider it" >Send a message to Kelbor Hal
>>5454556I want to change my vote from:>>5454576To:>"I shall have to consider it".>Send a message to Kelbor Hal.
>>5455141Lucius very cool.Still, they want mechancius on that war council and the primarchs want Talos.Hal can throw on some second rater from mars, or he can formally permit our joining of the council, either way he cannot accuse us of subversion nor idiocy.Your attempt of what I think is a strawman is rather flawed.
>>5454556>"I shall have to consider it">Send a message to Kelbor HalAnd if that isn't allowed:> Refuse that shit, also fuck captcha, it's literally the reason why I don't post much on this quest.
>>5455141>all of our other brothers partitioned your entry as the Mechanicum Representative in the War Council>This should go through the proper channelsThere will be a mechanicus representative anyway, this choice is whether we walk over the internal operations of the mechanicus and take the job, or try to do it the proper way.
>>5455141And cease your salt, this isn't 40k AI quest
>>5454589>Switch to>>5454556>"I shall have to consider it">Send a message to Kelbor HalYeah, it's entirely possible Hal might want this. Or not. Let's consult him
>>5455165Probably shouldn't have been this confrontational, I think that quest's autism from yesterday are still on my nerves>>5455141Sorry anon
Changing my vote here >>5454707 to>"I shall have to consider it">Send a message to Kelbor Hal
>>5454556>>accept his invitation
“Brother…” TalOS felt an irritation quake through his body as Machine Spirits began rattling on the cost and benefits of this proposal. It was a damning feeling knowing that his machine spirits did not understand the human factor of this transaction. In the end TalOS wondered if his Brother held the same ignorance, “I will not accept, I need approval before I can do this.” The anger that seemed to have ebbed away from Fulgrim began to ignite once more as he heard such a reply, “You would ignore a request of our Father? Do your people not see him as some godly being?!”“He is seen as the Omnissiah, not the Machine God.” TalOS fired back with a thin line taking his tongue, “What you have suggested to me can amount to Treason Fulgrim. You might not see it as that but it is. Kalbor Hal is the Fabricator General of Mars and my sovereign. I will not betray that for some petty view of men that you and Horus hold. Only if he desires me in that position will I consider it.”“You would place this man above you!?” Fulgrim spoke with both anger and confusion that was so perfectly blended TalOS knew many would study it for decades. “I do, as should you.” TalOS said as he leaned in close, “We act not in the interest of ourselves but humanity. You build an Empire for the Imperium of Man. The sooner you learn this the more that you realize that my position is the eventual end of your Crusade.”“You might be a genius of the battlefield and a powerful magician of science,” Fulgrim began as he looked upon TalOS firmly, “But you lack an understanding of reality. We are Primarchs, perfect beings that were created to guide humanity. The Emperor will not throw us down in favor of the common rabble. Mark my words, TalOS, you know I am right~” TalOS could not help but laugh when he heard those words, “Time will make a fool of you Fulgrim just as I have made you a fool today. We may be immortal against time but not against the blade. It may happen all at once, or maybe we will leave one after another with hundreds of years making those gaps. The question is when. For now, though, get off my planet.” TalOS watched as the Stormbird that he attacked came back and began picking up both his brother and his sons. There was no ceremony or admonishment that needed to be done for his brother’s leave. Fulgrim had run TalOS’s good graces thin. It was at this moment TalOS knew that he would not get along with all of his brothers. They will not be the yes-man that was Horus or the beastial understanding of Leman Russ. They did not share interests like Ferrus Manus or a common understanding like Alpharius. TalOS was fine with that. It just meant there were people whom he needed to defend against if war ever occurred.
‘The Humiliation of Fulgrim’ was the title for that mock battle that TalOS had engaged his brother in. The way it sprung around the galaxy it was like a true war had taken place between the two brothers with TalOS holding his brother’s head in victory. The Fabricator General watched first hand at the consequences of these actions. First and foremost it was quickly becoming one of the most perforated pieces of media throughout the Federation. Rare was the common person able to see battle, many of the data recordings from Skitarii selfishly hogged by the Mechanicum that this became their first view of real combat. The techno-sorcery of the Acillians and the pure majesty of Fulgrim made it so entertaining that everyone spent entire rations worth of food just to catch one of the many viewpoints of the Acillians on the field. What helped the most was, unlike his public duel with Leman Russ, that TalOS won in this exercise. Add in the public declarations of TalOS’s ideals and loyalty to both the people and his cult allowed people to firmly believe in him. There were outcries of Fulgrim’s words, the Primarch not realizing that his words were seen as uncouth when shown to the common Federal Citizen. It was quickly noted by TalOS that any Auxiliary or even basic shipments of goods to any Emperor’s Children fleet were suddenly backed up with delays and restrictions. For the Knights of Dutonis, none were willing to soil their banner in disgrace by serving the Primarch who seemed to loathe them. TalOS did not blame them and he did not reverse it. The only time the Primarch acted was when Anti-Imperial sentiments came around. He would not allow a party fully against the Treaty of Olympus to form upon his domain. If ever Fulgrim walked into the realm of TalOS or even the Mechanicum, he will likely never recover from what occurred. Failing in both a duel and battle he could not keep up the facade of elegance that he was previously enjoying. There was an irony in all this that TalOS learned after all this. Fulgrim came to him to ask for assistance in recreating his Legion from near scratch. That was a clear failure if TalOS would guess. It was with that thought that time continued on. His victory was no longer news but an annul of the recent past. The Federation, nearing a decade in existence, had something of an occurrence that shook the foundations. With TalOS’s victory and the prevalence of the Machine God’s presence within the Federation, Apostasy began to run rampant.
+A man has attempted to bribe me for secrets three times already! If he was not of the Nobility I would have had him flogged!+ +Three times this week both Knights and Nobles have tried to fork off their fifth son to me! These fools do not realize how selective our process is!+ +Everyone wishes to learn, many of whom are reading our public teachings!+ +By the Omnissiah the demands for a mass have been ongoing! Their old faiths are throwing themselves to join the cult!+ +We might not need new Forge Worlds if these Hive Worlds turn themselves into them!+ +By the Machine God, who will know if too many of our secrets were to get out! It will only take one soul to create an AI!+ Today was not the assembly, for that was not the point of the meeting today. Today the great hall in which theological debate was had and demanded was yelled at one corner to the other. TalOS looked towards R3KT, who had taken his position next to TalOS as a member of the Lucian High Council. TalOS felt the request for a light beam message to be sent, and TalOS accepted it. +Things have been too quiet, I wondered when this hall would be filled.+ Pointed out the Arch Genetor with a jest at the situation. TalOS had to agree. This was not the first time he was here, for this hall was used to try those of Tek-Heresy and the like. Today though was an issue that had been boiling up and recently cascaded in some amount of open war between the different sects of the Priesthood. This issue had been boiling for a while as the Cult Mechanicus grew in influence. It however increased rapidly when people saw the measly miracles that TalOS performed against his brother. TalOS could only guess that people were finally realizing that the Machine God was not like their fickle warp-bound gods. He was real, and humanity was his chosen people. But that came with a plethora of problems, mainly the fears on so many sides of the equation. From those who wished things stay as they were, to those whose arms were open and those who were simply suffering from the sudden desire for their religion by the people. If it was this bad for TalOS he could only fear what might happen if his Father were to slip up. An entire Galaxy seeking faith. TalOS’s hands were full now by people seeking a religion whose goal wasn’t even to get converts. Luckily none of the Titans have yet walked, mainly because they could only walk to TalOS’s command. He had already gotten rumblings of covert operations happening and it needed to be stopped now before his authority was put into jeopardy. >An open discussion about the topic will work, just make sure they don’t go overboard. >Talk about it together, then allow conclaves of different views to occur to determine solutions. >TalOS specifically will lead the discussions. Even if these fellows don’t have Titans they all have Plasma guns.
>>5455627To my knowledge, Apostacy is someone who leaves one faith for another. Thats why its Jesus and his Apostles, because they were Jews who become Christians. I might be wrong as Google tells me Apostate is simply someone who renounces with faith but I think thats like half a definition where is should be: 'Someone who renounces with Faith for another"
>>5455627>Talk about it together, then allow conclaves of different views to occur to determine solutions.
>>5455627>Talk about it together, then allow conclaves of different views to occur to determine solutions.Huh, a mystery religion getting flooded by potential converts. Stamping all the wanabees probably won't work forever. We might need some type of lay priest, one that just recites the mantra to keep the population content instead of actually knowing or sharing secrets.
>>5455627>Talk about it together, then allow conclaves of different views to occur to determine solutions.are we going to talk to send a message to Kelbor
>>5455660You did, there are talks about this between Terra and Mars.
>>5455618>The Emperor will not throw us down in favor of the common rabble. Mark my words, TalOS, you know I am rightQM can we specifically pocket this exact moment in recorded format for when the Emperor rolls out his "switch to the Administratum" phase? lol!Also well shit, that was. . .wow. I thought our meeting with Lorgar was going to be bad this is probably the least cordial primarch meeting ever. It's hilarious and exhilarating.Damn but we have really fucked them up especially at a time when their numbers are so few.This could seriously hurt Fulgrim when he tries to win over Byzas with seven warriors like in the story.
>>5455627>>TalOS specifically will lead the discussions. Even if these fellows don’t have Titans they all have Plasma guns.This is going to be... a mess. We better mitigate it
>>5455657We just have to remind the nobles there is an intelligence bar to enter the Cult Mechanicus to be anything other than a lay adept. If they want their sons to become proper priests and not simply oil servitors and lighting incense, then they had better cough up the pay to afford intelligence augmentations for their sons. Preferably from birth and with a dash of genetic engineering.Which works in our favor. We accept raw minerals and especially human bodies as valid payment for Mechanicum services.
>>5455631"Apostle" comes from the greek word for emissary "apóstolos". It's very much not the case that the disciples of Jesus were seen as leaving the jewish faith for a new faith in Jesus, because that goes against pretty much all of what Jesus was saying about "fulfilling the faith rather than destroying it""Apostasys" comes from the greek word for defection and revolt "Apostasía"So it doesn't make sense to say that if people are joining the cult mechanicus en masse to call it Apostasy, unless you are referring perhaps to whatever local barbaric faiths they had before (given we did not allow the Imperial Truth much traction in the first place as conquest was carried out by Mechanicum forces). We still likely permit it as an alternative I gather. There is no room for local barbarism in our Federation.BTW QM, I take it there are two separate councils for matters of Governance and Matters of Faith in the Federation? For issues of government we have the "Federal Senate" or the "Federal Diet", and for issues of faith purely meant for priests we have the "Lucian Synod"?
>>5455631To be a bit more specific.>Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them"I can't speak for all denominations, but I'm unawares if there are any which theologically propagate the idea of the disciples abandoning the hebrew/abrahamic roots to join a completely new faith in Jesus. As for the similarity of the words:>The prefix "Apo-" derives from Greek where it means "Away From">Apostle doesn't mean "follower", but instead means "messenger", and the Greek word we derive it from, apóstolos means "someone who has been sent". apo - "Away From"; ésteila - "Sent">Apostasy derives from a different Greek word which means defection. Apo - "Away from"; hístēmi -"I stand"
>>5455695There is a seperation, as this is a Cult Mechanicus Matter specifically.
It's funny. For the rest of the Imperium, the Imperial Truth is the primary "faith" while the Cult Mechanicum is a fringe alternative. In the Federation, the Cult Mechanicum is the primary faith, with the Imperial Truth as a small permitted alternative.
>>5455627>TalOS specifically will lead the discussions. Even if these fellows don’t have Titans they all have Plasma guns.It is the job of the Fabricator General to balance out the various sects and factions of his Synod, let us not shirk our duty and allow chaos to reign. Besides, a bit of autocracy is always good. Just ask Roboute.
>>5455631>>5455626Apostasy is absolutely not used correctly here. If a wave of apostasy were running through the Federation, it means people are abandoning the Cult Mechanicus. Apostasys doesn't mean adopting one faith over another (though that can be a part of it), it simply means 'to leave the faith'. The word you are looking for is religious fervor or Proselytism.
>>5455768Then its a wave of conversion. Thats what is happening. Know people are joining the cult!
>>5455627>TalOS specifically will lead the discussions. Even if these fellows don’t have Titans they all have Plasma guns.I love the reference to Extra sons being given to the church, although it makes me think the Auxilia and Astartes are swelling just as much as our Church is, also we should definitely write a religious treatise to help wrangle all these newcomers>Captcha: HKKKXDBy the Omnissiah what are we being told
>>5455772And that is well and good, it will make them better factory workers, noble foremen and administrators, and devoted soldiers and ensure unity of faith. Everyone can worship or at least venerate the machine spirits, but priesthood is reserved for the competent and the truly devoted.
>>5455775>religious treatise to help wrangle all these newcomers
>>5455775There is a great many fun references QM touches upon here. Historically with the late medieval era and the growth of the power of the Church many noble families would send their lesser sons to become monks, as a means of expanding their influence and prestige. As a result many of these monks brought with them their noble expectations of upperclass lifestyle (despite what was originally supposed to be frugal ascetism), and that is also why many monastaries became good at the production of wine, cheese, and other things. Some times it got so decadent you'd wonder if you were at a nobles banquet or a monastary at all.There's a funny story about the Monks of St Swithin approaching King Henry II to complain that their bishop had deprived them of three dishes. When the King asked how many they had left, they said 'Ten'. The King replied 'and I in my court am content with three!'Something funny is that according to the Rule of St Benedict dinner was supposed to be eaten in silence, a time for contemplation and reflection, but the monks just got around this by making complicated sign language. Reminds me of binaric.Of all the sins of the Flesh, I imagine TalOS by his example of still eating (and his contest of Feast with Russ), food is probably the one that is very loosely permitted in our Synod, especially with the abundance our Agri worlds will soon produce. Not to mention the corpstarch and gladiator circuses we use to keep our population satisfied, just like the Old Federation.In any case, inevitably, the Cult Mechanicus valuing merit and skill it is inevitable that nobles, being of better genetics, educational upbringing, natural and artificial intelligence than the common man, have always been and will be the main source of recruitment for our priests as well as our acillians. The very best become acillians, while those who remain become priests. The lower ranks or those with less skill just become adepts or skitarii.
>>5455781Exactly, a mix between the Bible and an Owner/Operator's guide to the human soul.Also, just to think out loud, if we weren't going full Null could we have constructed an actually pleasant artificial afterlife instead of "yeah either get eaten slow or eaten fast" >>5455788I could see simple meals, but ones made with heart, becoming popular in our territory. That, or the far future equiv of that "Scientific Cooking" thing that was Popular a few years back. By the Emperor, imagine the kinds of refined Meats, Cheeses, and Wines that are produced across the Imperium. It'd probably cause me to fall to She-Who-Thirsts but sampling even a thousandth of the sheer variety would be a life well lived.I wrote a background detail for another 40K thing, a minor order of non-battle Sisters that only recruit type one diabetics and also produce a form of Sanctified Whiskey. Make your own conclusions. I think I called them the Sisters of the Sweetened Sanguine or something similar.
>>5455796We are obviously a civilized nation, in emulation of the Federation we provide a plethora of fantastic bounties of luxury to those noble citizens most deserving of it in our realm. For those who can afford it of course, disease and ailments do not afflict them surely.When we started the quests I had a few dreams of making things a bit better for the lower classes, things like having a standard of living, an abundance of food, emphasis on servitor industrialization, kinda like when TalOS made the factory workers lives slighty better. A sort of competition between us and Roboute on who can make their realm nicer to live in for the masses. However I've just decided to tuck that away because I'm not sure we will have the time to do so or exactly how much we'll get to influence the culture of Lucius at all (it's already thread 11 of 20 and there is just so much on our plate left to do).So I just settle for Plan B and do the canon thing and making the lives of our nobles better while the poor can just keep working those factorums like they were meant to. Possibly it's even more efficient than Guilliman's egalitarian Ultramar anyway. It also fits TalOS being a high rider more, given how much he favors nobles like the Knights, his own children, and the techpriests who are themselves an upper class of society. Let Angron and Corax value their dregs.
>>5455810It's even more ironic given how badly we've soured Fulgrims relations with the common folk while we are being praised. Mama ELL1E's corpsetarch just wouldn't taste the same if it werent made from the ground up bodies of the poor anyway.
>>5455627>TalOS specifically will lead the discussions. Even if these fellows don’t have Titans they all have Plasma guns.
>>5455627>TalOS specifically will lead the discussions. Even if these fellows don’t have Titans they all have Plasma guns.You do not let people who have no knowledge of the religion run their mouth, that's how heresy happens.
>>5455627>TalOS specifically will lead the discussions. Even if these fellows don’t have Titans they all have Plasma guns. I believe Tal0S guiding the conversation is the best choice, but at the same time it's not a viable long-term solution. We need to create an organization to keep the creed within the federation as uniform as possible, after all this is the advantage of having a smaller Kingdom is that it is easier to patrol.
>>5455901We could do what Lorgar and Roboute do and write another book too. It will surely be a hit.Of course, there is one other alternative if "we" want to ensure our vision of the future remains in case we end up "absent": The TalOS Inferior
>>5455627>TalOS specifically will lead the discussions. Even if these fellows don’t have Titans they all have Plasma gunsI think this is true path to machine pope
>>5455626 QM I have two questions. First, what was Kelbor Hal's response to the representative position? Second, did someone shit inside the doll's skull before he entered in the atmosphere of our world? >"TalOS learned after all this. Fulgrim came to him to ask for assistance in recreating his Legion from near scratch." This seems to have the Emperor's finger involved, Fulgrim may have a lot of flaws but he wasn't going to compromise the mission of rebuilding his legion out of sheer pride, right?
>>5456023Yes he would compromise it. This whole affair was Fulgrim overcompensating for the fact that despite looking, acting and most of all feeling perfect his genetic sons have a gene flaw.
>>5456025 Even in the official lore would he do something like that? I thought only elves were so primitive in the area of diplomacy.