In the great war between the Mitu, Orks, and the Mechanicum the Priests have won. Two empires shattered to give rise to one that shall outshine both of them. But the Federation was built not just on the backs of Lucius and Dutonis but almost the entire existence of the Mechanicum. Even Primarch will find an issue trying to organize an Empire who is unified only in Faith. ++The Rules++>Vote with Greentext, otherwise they probably won’t be accepted.>Write-ins can be accepted, and might even be used in the final without majority rule.>If you are going to change your vote, make it so your post only links to the numbers of the previous vote. It's cleaner that way.>If you mix votes together without modifying them in any way, I reserve the right to employ your top most pick as your vote. Claiming it as a write-in won’t work either unless you modify it to convince me otherwise.Archives:https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=The%20Machine%20QM
The roars of horns blared through the air as the Titan stood at either side of the great road. Just like the man of old, the Mechanicus quickly lined their streets with the icons and avatars of the Machine God to guard their most sacred proceedings. Below their watchful eyes were crowds of people and machines. At the front of these crowds were the Adepts either too cowardly or too young to have joined in the Crusade that occurred before them. Now though, with safety confirmed, both sides were able to give signals of joy as for one of the few times they are able to witness those that fought for them. Behind them were the people, serfs and servants of the Mechanicum. They all served a great purpose in the cog of production but were much more human than their overlords. Though even among them were those of greater standings, being either Nobles or servants of the Dutonian Aristocracy that was quickly taking hold within the sector. It is simple that so many planets were claimed that the Nobility of the Knight Planet was expanded. It came that a great many peasant mayors and even servants were given a chance to ascend into the now burgeoning ruling body. The only requirement now being that they are capable of operating one of many hundred new Knight Chassis that were being crafted. With the growing Empire the Priests also needed more bodies. Though instead of raising the peasants of their home world the world of Lucius was quickly being flooded with immigrants from across the Mechanicum. Let them be hopefuls taking a chance to become a Priest or Adepts wishing to acquire a piece of the Federation for themselves. Simply put Lucius, which had an adequate population before, was now many times over what was there just five years ago. They all looked out as a line of soldiers and machines began walking across the road. Behind them were mountains of items that would cause near fatal heart attacks to those who might know of their secrets. These devices, recovered from hidden facilities all across the territory of the Xenos, were being transported to the heart of Lucius for storage and analysis. Behind them though were the numerous creatures, Xenos and Fauna, that were captured by the Reconquista. Some were the Sloog that were trapped within stasis surrounded by nullification crystals. Others were giant beasts that had captured the imagination of the Genetors upon exhibition. Surrounding these pieces of knowledge and wonder were the armed wing of the Mechanicum. The Skitarii with their signature red cloaks were surrounded by the heavily armored warriors of the Legio Proelitor. These soldiers were occasionally followed by the Knight Chassis of Dutonis, one side belonging to Navarros while the other was Borgius. They all walked with purpose in their step. They knew that they had succeeded in securing what is to be the heart of the Mechanicum.
At the front of this procession was the largest of the Titans that were fielded on this day. It stood several units tall that almost eclipsed all the buildings within the local area. Its chassis was, unlike the people of Lucius, was blue and gold that lined its chassis. But priminantly was the red stripes that declared this Titan a Crusader of the Mechanicum’s war. Particep Semper walked. It walked with the precision and elegance of a veteran Princep who knew exactly how to operate such a grand machine. All looked upon it with awe as it guided the precession. To its right and left were two chassis, newly discovered from the records of both Dutonis and Mars. Through the advanced understanding of the Mechanicum these weapons of war were resurrected to bring about a great service to the Priests of the Mechanicum. One of them, which bore a massive claw and spear, was the Knight known as Arch Angelus. A mighty Knight that always looked forward with the purpose afforded to its rider. Such a great person that any Tech Priest worth their knowledge would give honor to him. Word was that at the moment where he saved Lucius that he was able to tap into the Motive Force to bring his Knight back from the brink. The other was Magna Atlas, the rider of whom even the men of the Imperium knew of. No mortal man in their history could claim a kill that even the Emperor of Mankind rarely committed himself to. Many noticed that while the Ceratus Pattern Knight was elegant, the Fist that the machine bore was greater than anything else they had seen before. It was branded with the colors of not just Navarros but of Borgius, together to show in the icon of their fallen God that saved their civilization so long ago. These two walked as guards to Particep Semper and those that surrounded him. Many on the ground were prominent magi such as Magos Dominus Sicarian or Prime Dominus Pterraxi whose minds assisted in the downfall of the Mitu Empire. Among them of course were the Imperial Fists. A Legion of Astartes whose assistance brought a clean end to the Orks that had once ravaged the edges of federal space. Soon they all came to a stop as Particep Semper began to turn about. The Precession soon continued under its legs as the grand machine slowly powered down to a great enough margin that the Princep could disengage himself.
Sanctus Dominus TalOS DAV1S looked out upon the hordes of Man from the top of Particep Semper. He could feel the subtle hum of all the people cheering for him above the forever humming of Particep Semper’s plasma reactors. For years he had been away from Lucius on campaign across the stars. With every day he advanced the borders of the Federation to reclaim what humanity had lost during the age of its great Empire. He was just like his Father, TalOS took a moment to realize. For just like his father TalOS had an immense need to conquer what was around him. As for what ends there were, TalOS felt they might differ. The Emperor of Mankind wished to bring about a unification of Humanity, to bring it out of the darkness and into the light of enlightenment. TalOS however did not conquer all of humanity but the Mechanicus and its allies. He pushed the Reconquista to all edges of the system, causing each of their borders to be shared not by foul Xenos but instead the Imperial to whom a tight alliance was forged in faith. For TalOS, who was not influenced by such a school of thought, knew that once the realization is made it will be an alliance TalOS wishes to keep in blood. Somehow TalOS knew that unless the worst comes, the Emperor will never bring himself to strike against his own creation. In this parade of triumph over the Xenos TalOS knew that they were expecting the Sanctus Dominus to speak. The words of one who forsaked his birthright only to forge a force rumored to be equal to that of his own creators. TalOS knew that at one point that was the case, but now the Reconquista was over. A great part of his army had laid down their blades for the mining equipment and forges. Now he must tend to the Federation that he created with the help of so many others. So many different peoples and sects populating a sector that only a few months ago was in total war. What he did and said now was important. While a foundation was created it would need to be set firm by the hands of himself and those that assisted in its construction. But this final moment before the Title of Sanctus Dominus becomes ceremonial, TalOS can set the path for this Federation forward. >Unity, make sure that every knows that while they won there will be a great many forces that attempt to divide them for future conquest. >Bring about praises for oneself, to forge a personality that many can look towards. >A demonstration of the great power of the Mechanicum, showing that the Mechanicum will need to fight to keep what it has gained in this era.
>>5395767>Unity, make sure that every knows that while they won there will be a great many forces that attempt to divide them for future conquest.
>>5395767>Unity, make sure that every knows that while they won there will be a great many forces that attempt to divide them for future conquest.I wonder if TalOS is wise/paranoid enough to see the risk of the great schism before it happens, and want to prevent it.
>>5395763"It came that a great many peasant mayors and even servants were given a chance to ascend into the now burgeoning ruling body. The only requirement now being that they are capable of operating one of many hundred new Knight Chassis that were being crafted."Aha, confirmation of Sacristan and Civilian frame operators. Wonderful. I have confidence in our Knight Worlds to keep up economically with our other worlds with such frames to build and colonize with." Some were the Sloog that were trapped within stasis surrounded by nullification crystals."Aw yeah, war trophies! Let none forget what the Mitu had done unto us and why they had to be destroyed.>>5395765Glorious Cerastus pattern and our brave Princes. So glad we kept them alive. I'd like to think by now the twin houses of Dutonis have truly surpassed even House Raven in scope and greatness and House Taranis in its cult fervor."Somehow TalOS knew that unless the worst comes, the Emperor will never bring himself to strike against his own creation."I hope TalOS speaks true even unto the unification of the Galaxy itself. Well, as long as we avoid the fate of the canon 2nd Legion, all will be well. And maybe having embedded ourselves so deeply into the Mechanicum, we have secured that at long last."A great part of his army had laid down their blades for the mining equipment and forges."See Lorgar?THIS is how you do faith properly. You conquer to save men from the alien menace, do your part for the war effort, and THEN you can build your temples and empires. Bonus points if the building of the temples may contribute themselves to the war effort. It is by our works we validate our faith, 'Faith without works is dead.'You don't build the temples before you've put the work in on the territorial expansion.So the Emperor cannot complain that we have delayed or been slow in our efforts. We have done our 'Lightning War', as the Jermanyc would say.
>>5395767>Unity, make sure that every knows that while they won there will be a great many forces that attempt to divide them for future conquest. An alliance based on mutual hatred will not last forever. We need to create the soul of a nation, an identity capable of creating nationalism for a new federation. >It is now that the real hard work begins.
>>5396157We should capitalize on calling ourselves the true inheritors of the Old Federation and making use of the existing identity and romanticism of the Golden Age.The galaxy is littered with relics and remnants of that time. At some point if we ever hear that the Imperial Fists have discovered necromunda we need to bargain with their legionmaster or Rogal Dorn because of all factions, House Van Saar's STC discovery may be the closest we could possible get to the sci-fi aesthetic of the old Federation.
What would the pro and con be for trying to establish transitio imperii with the Old Federation? Opposed to trying to build a brand new identity and image.It's a funny thought but we could style ourselves as the "Holy Lucian Federation" since we are now faithful cult worshippers.
>>5395767>Unity, make sure that every knows that while they won there will be a great many forces that attempt to divide them for future conquest.a Holy Federation sounds deeply pleasing, especially if we could get ourselves voted as Mecha-Pope
>>5396164 I liked the idea, but what are we going to offer the golden builder? It's not like he needs anything we can offer.>>5396196 The "Federation of Sacred States", seems to me a more universal name, it pays a homage to all the Forgeworlds that helped to form the state, in addition to recognizing the sovereignty of the other worlds that participated in its formation, and lastly it still gives us the appearance of inheriting the desires of the old Federation.
>>5396230Interestingly there's supposed to be a Rogal Dorn novel coming up in October but we can't wait for that.One thing we can offer him is the reciprocation of blunt honesty: "I would like to buy that planet for its technology, or at least that piece of technology, and would like to do so by offering you whatever I can provide as worthy payment." No word mincing, just plain simple facts.Dorn is an empire builder, like Guilliman, and empires and defenses do need supplies and resources which we will have in bulk.Dorn will eventually be tasked with the Fortification of Terra itself. We can take the load of his mind of having to deal with the logistical and technological support elements so he can focus purely on the construction works themselves. Supply him tonnes of ferrocrete, adamantium, servitor workers, peasant knight frames and let him build to his hearts content.These will be the same things we will offer to Guilliman when the time comes to help him build his empire for his logistical expertise.We are the Quartermaster and the Supplier of our Brothers. If they need resources and technology, we are happy to oblige. For fair exchange of course.
>>5396227Still gotta figure out what we wanna do with Kelbor Hal. We did leave on a good note last time. He is probably the second smartest and influential Techpriest in the entire Admech, and the only mortal to come close to us in terms of influence and knowledge so we will have to take that into account.Either maintaining and embracing him, booting him out office, or even somehow charismatically convincing him to step down will have consequences. My hope is that by genuinely getting him on our side to believe in the cause and away from Horus clutches, we will have a powerful ally in grasping the whole of the Admech together with our iron fists and slowing down the giant tear as much as possible. Most important and perhaps the most critical thing we could ever do, is keep Mars in line. If we can prevent Mars from going traitor or having many traitor elements, that drastically improves our odds if we participate in the Siege of Sol.A great outcome for this quest is people won't call it the "Siege of Terra" but the "Siege of Mars" where an intact Mechanicum stood against the renegade Warmaster. A proud moment, even if it the end result is the same: Emperor arriving on his Imperium Somnium to board the Vengeful Spirit and being slain. But Mars loyalty would be proven true.
>>5396244 If our destiny is to be the logistical master of the great crusade, we have to create an organization that meets this demand. A machine capable of processing, building and distributing supplies anywhere in the empire quickly and cheaply, in short, bezos would be jealous of our future economy.
>>5396251That'd be sick, I hope we can give Olianas Pius a Cog or something, also we need to make a few connections with the Ecclesiastes because they'll become incredibly important Post-Heresy
>>5396333>bezos would be jealous of our future economyAnd of our future backdoors. We are definitely spying on everybody, right?
>>5395767>Unity, make sure that every knows that while they won there will be a great many forces that attempt to divide them for future conquest.Forgot to vote
>>5395761I began working on a cafe last week and I say stuff like>thank you microwave for heating this food>Coffe maker forgive me, I have to interrupt this processMarketing got me, I fell into it
>>5395767what a pretty illustrationwait, what are those AI that make art on demand? What will come out if we input something like Sanctus Dominus Tal0S Davis?Also QM did you win?
>>5395767>>Bring about praises for oneself, to forge a personality that many can look towards.Nothing but the Self to drive me forward
>>5396196>since we are now faithful cult worshippers.>he wasn't here since thread 1
>>5396333nice trips>>5396453speaking of backdoors, remember that data dijin we left in mars back when we hunter for an AI that a heretek made?
>>5396572It was one of those art on demand AIs. I like it but I do prefer human stuff since the AI will have little rhyme/reason and the art can make your head hurt if you look at it for too long. I went 4-5 but I'm in the upper half of game won since I went undefeated day 1 (With a victory against a Fellow Knights player who was 21st). I ended up losing a game against a popular Clowns player and then got defeat after defeat after that. Especially since I went 3 games in a row against Tau. My list change is converting my Errant to a Gallant. What I lose in Armiger mobility in the Errant is the melee might of the Gallant. One of the winning Knights lists gives him a 14" move with a guaranteed 6+" charge. Add a 2+ WS, 5 atk, and wound roll of 6 becomes mortals and that model does a lot more work than my Errant could.
>>5396583woah... heh, a clown. Was it a barely painted army ready to be sold as soon as it stops being meta?this is the result I got
>>5396577The Old Federation were atheists heathens. The greatest flaw of the ancients.
>>5396589No, it was a fellow known to the community for his Clowns. He has a 40k competitive podcast that I learned afterwards was what my friend listens to. It was a fun game against him, just that my Errant wiffed half of his sweep attacks thus failing to take the point. The Errant did that all Tourney long and is the reason Imma changed him for a Gallant. The only problem game I had was a Blood Angels player who wouldn't give me his list. He was the definition of 'That Guys' but luckily he just gave me a fuck you and left, giving me a 4th win.
9e meta sounds so interesting. Going to wager that in general, the meta of knights across the board is focusing on melee and charges over any sort of ranged build?I know of only one mention of a house that tries to pull off ranged and its House Vulker
>>5396605Yeah the Meta itself is very interesting with the Tau's high quality Units and the Necron/Tyranid swarms. As for Knight melee we can hit hard, as with my Armigers I assassinated Characters easy enough. Now keep in mind we struggle against invulns, as we have quality not quantity. While they've fixed Alpha striking recently it's still a problem with some armies. My Tau games were determined by the die roll for the most part as they either alpha strikes my Castellan or I alpha strikes their hammerhead.
>>5396612>as with my Armigers I assassinated Characters easy enough.That explains why we use our Princes to deal with enemy leaders. They're so good at it.Tbh, I dunno how you feel about the Tau and I know a lot of people dislike them, but even in setting the Tau are often compared to the Federation and the Dark Age by inquisitors. Do you believe the Federation were a bit like them? I'm inclined to believe it because a lot of age of strife planets use mecha's and robots such as Gardinaal and Duulath and Forty-Seven Sixteen. Or do you think the Federation were more like a different army?
>>5396634Game wise I really think it's a problem with rules involving High Wound models and Obscuring. A Questorius/Dominus Knight cannot hide behind terrain and can be shot from all angles. Thus Knights tend to be decided by whoever goes first and Tau Railguns still massacre the big Knights. Lore wise I think they are fine. If anything I would prefer they actually took more from the Pfor (The obvious fiction they were based on). We need to see more races on the table top since we only see the Fire Caste and their battle suits when we could have races like the Sphit or Grunts running around. Honestly I do not mind if a race is missing something grimdark, but they need something interesting to replace it. The Tau are, in my opinion, missing that feeling of being a Covenant of numerous races banded together.
>>5396671>The Tau are, in my opinion, missing that feeling of being a Covenant of numerous races banded together.Agreed. They would be better done as the last refuge of the many xenos of the galaxy, an enemy you would have seen in the great crusade. Not just another reason to make more expensive mecha suits. Those should be a plus, not the main shtick.
Unity>>5395783>>5395948>>5396019>>5396157>>5396227>>5396457>>5396560Cult of Personality>>5396574Love this crest>>5396589
>>5396634No, the Federation was not built like the Tau. There is plenty of evidence to show that they expanded in a haphazard manner similar to how the Mechanicum expanded throughout the Galaxy. Yeeting ships into the sky in hopes they hit some rock that is habital. Reason why there are STCs and Knights, as humanity quickly started fighting off fauna. But overall I see little reason that the human actually felt the same pressure the Tau did, since they expanded when the Galaxy was mostly quite except for the occasional Eldar Rave.
TalOS looked out upon the assembled peoples with a moment of somberness. His mind already processing what needed to be said in a moment like this. Like his Creator TalOS was starting something great, and the Primarch would be the first to claim that it was greater than himself. The hyper intelligent mind of a Primarch came to the understanding quickly that he needed something to unify the people of his Federation. After all, if he were to die or otherwise lose contact with these peoples he needed them to stay together. It was this thought that TalOS spoke his first words for, +People of the Holy Federation, At the apex of this event I hereby declare that we have succeeded in the elimination of the Mitu Collective. The Reconquista, the retaking of all that we humans once owned, has been finished!+To those words the entire crowd that stayed underneath the Primarch roared in excitement and fervor. Even from on top Particep Semper he could hear the individual cries of glee as well as words of encouragement that rained upon him. +For years we have fought for this moment. Expanding the reaches of the Federation across the stars in an attempt to attain security at home. First there was Lucius, then Helmnut and Dutonis. When we reunited with our fellow Scions and Progenitor the Federation became able to stretch itself across not just the Sector but the entire Galaxy!+TalOS felt his memories of travel wash over his mind, +I, TalOS DAV1S, walked across the entire Mechanicum with a call to arms. To each and every Forge did I visit, telling their Fabricator Generals of the Xenos blight that forever threatened our existence. So many of you joined though that we no longer feared our enemy, it was that we were able to face our enemies head on! To bring war to the lands of the Mitu and the Ork!+TalOS raised his arms into the air for all to look upon him in joy and veneration. To see in that moment a Primarch announced to the skies his subservience. +We have brought to these foul Xenos not the wrath of the Mechanicum, but that of the Machine God himself. The full might of the Machine God was brought upon the heathen Xenos that bordered. And with this might brought before them, they were found wanting! We, the United Federation that serves the Machine God, TRIUMPHED!!+And with that the crowd that was before TalOS lost all sense of reason as fervor reached a fever pitch. Even the Titans, who had remained silent during his words, blared their horns in praise of thewing its Horn to quake the earth underneath the crowd as the crowd attempted to sing praises louder than even the God Machines themselves.
>>5396909I meant less culturally. Culturally i'm sure they were full on cyberpunk, corporations, all split up and scattered.I meant tech wise and combat capabilities.Heavy use of advanced trooper weapons, mech suits, hover vehicles, very sci-fi esque. Railguns etc.Turns out Votann have functional STC railguns too. If you mean to include Votann or stick with Old Squats.
It was a good minute before the fervor began to wane, as all emotions did. Whatever possessed the people of the Federation slowly left their systems while the Titans became but inanimate guardians once more. TalOS had felt himself joining his people in their cries to the Machine God, but was also one of the first to calm himself. Many of his fellow Priests whose minds were on the Noosphere followed in TalOS’s examples, finding that their Emotion Vaults were weak to the cries of solidarity. Though they would argue that was not because they lost themselves in the emotion but that the Machines themselves cried out. TalOS would agree with them of that fact. Even the Machine Spirits knew that triumph had been founded. +Now that victory is upon us we must build, just as the Machine God desires of us.+ TalOS spoke as he transitioned to the next segment of his speech, +We are now one people, united in the embers of a war that had ravaged hundreds of worlds. No planet on our journey to victory was left untouched. We must now turn these planets into resources for the greater expansion of mankind!+The Sanctus Dominus made a wave of his hand as it brushed towards those numerous armies that were below him, +My Creator, the Emperor of Mankind, marched his fleets ever closer to the galactic core and soon passed it. Those that helped us, the Imperial Fists, pushed themselves towards the south to claim human habitations from Orkish warbands just like what we fought.+TalOS jester towards the sky, +Both my brothers, Leman Russ and Horus Lupercal, have asked for the Legios of the Federation to help them. To answer the Warlords of the Imperium we bring them not just bolters, but the volkite fire of Legio Proelitor, the anvil of Legio Skitarii, and the hammer of Dutonis! Let it be with each and every one of these auxilia we bring them countless supplies that could feed a dozen more wars!+With those words TalOS looked out into the crowd of people, +These Auxilia will scour the Galaxy just as Mars sent the Arch Mechanici across the void. To gather knowledge learned from all corners of the Galaxy to bring it back to the Federation. With every step we make with the Imperium, shall be a step closer to the Machine God himself!With those words the crowd announced their approval, many adepts willingly joining the ranks of the cheering for this moment. A unified goal to turn the Federation into an industrial power that will fuel its own Legions of men.
At this moment TalOS allowed himself to change in tone. His binaric chatter changing to give out a new emotion that few could not pay attention to now. For even in this Triumph held in the honor of the Federation TalOS felt a quaking fear creep up within his heart. +All of you, people of the Federation, each and every one of you are cogs in the greatest Machine that mankind can design. None can argue that no matter what Machine is designed it must be manufactured, transported, and used by those whose collective knowledge create the core of the Motive Force. Even the Federation of Terra, whose we are inheritors of, will be but a shadow to the capabilities that this Machine shall become.+The cries began to quiet as those who heard TalOS began to feel his pull of emotion. The subtle binaric changes gave those who could feel it a moment to tap into the great well of will that was a Primarch. It did not overwhelm their senses, causing them to fall into the thralls of his voice. No, he granted upon Priest, Skitarii, Serf, Acillian, Astarte, and Knight a glimpse into his heart. Many allowed it to resonate with themselves, others studied it for the feelings that it was. All paid close attention to the words that TalOS wished to speak now. +To last we must stand united.+ Declared the Primarch as he felt his fears ache from his heart, +All around us there are creatures and forces that forever try to tear apart the great creations of man. You all know of the time they had succeeded, when the terrors from beyond tore apart the Federation of Terra to usher in the Longest Night that humanity had ever experienced.+To those words the people around him became calm and hesitant. All who could understand the words of TalOS understood the terror that they had all faced years ago. Moments when Xenos craft came crashing upon their planets or the ground crumbling for the dark horrors to emerge. +Know my words, both the mankind of today and the future. Record it upon data drives and inscribe it on steel tablets. Etch it into the walls of isolated caves or speak it down to your descendants. I want all to know my plea as Sanctus Dominus to transcend to the era in which I no longer walk the galaxy but watch in the presence of the Machine God.+ TalOS allowed a moment for the Priests to ready their drives and men to focus upon him. For the words he was about to speak needed to exist past his own life for they were the ones who needed it the most.
+We, as Humanity, are at our strongest when we are united. Working together, side by side with our fellow man, for even the waves of time seek to rust our civilization. This task I give to the Federation, for when we start to fracture the echoes of Old Night shall be upon us.+ TalOS allowed himself a moment’s breath as incense flooded him. +I shall make the first step to light the boilers of our Federation. I ask each of you to do your part in its maintenance and expansion, for when our Great Machine fails humanity will be engulfed in darkness.+ None spoke after those words, for no further context was needed. The next stage of the Federation was upon them. The building was finished, now it was time to start operating. >Speak with the Fabricator General of Lucius>Talk with the once forign, now fellow, Tech Priests of the Federation. >Take in a communication from Mars.
>>5396980>Talk with the once forign, now fellow, Tech Priests of the Federation.Federal Reorganization planning soon!
>>5396909Wouldn't those ships have mostly been manned by Men of Iron going forward to subdue the planet ahead of colonization efforts?Knight worlds were probably those worlds colonized by humans who either didn't want or couldn't get men of iron to do it for them.
>>5397002The Men of Iron were much later into the Empire, as they were made by the Men of Gold.
>>5396980>Talk with the once forign, now fellow, Tech Priests of the Federation. >>5397002They were men of something else and human at the time.
>>5396980>Take in a communication from Mars.UZ1 is that you?
>>5397016No, she has not set sail yet. Its the Fabricator General.
>>5396980>>Take in a communication from Mars.We did want to earn Hal's friendship and trust
>>5396980>>Take in a communication from Mars.Can't wait to see what fun this will lead to. Dungeon crawl invite perhaps? We still need to delve the depths of the Lucian megastructures, now that we're not on a war footing for the moment.
>>5397070There was discussion last thread, given where we are sending UZ1, that TalOS could favor a delegation strategy for spelunking. He can't be in every planet at once, but he can arm his teams to be as good as any primarch techpriest equipped team could ever be.
>>5397005Hmm, I take it then the comparisons to the Tau (at least technologically) are to late Empire rather than the colonial phase.Once the humans had established the colonies and those grew into advanced hive worlds and urban centers, then they wanted to indulge in AI to do all the work and fighting for them. That's when things got really sci fi. When the STC's could be focused on some really fancy shit rather than colonial tools.
>>5396980>>Take in a communication from Mars.to take huh? I am intrigued, what does Mars have to offer?
>>5396980>Take in a communication from Mars.I kinda want to pop over and kill some kind of Data-Djinn or something similar/worse, also I want to get deeper into the Motive Force
>>5396980>Take in a communication from Mars.
>>5396989>Switch to>Take in a communication from Mars.
My two bits on the Tau-Federation comparison is as the QM said their society wouldn't be built like the Tau who are very centralized, instead scattering so many colony ships to void instead. But the Tau superficially resemble them in terms of army tactics and science fiction motifs such as emphasis on technological supremacy, combat frames, and liberal use of AI as well as knights and titans which are really just larger and larger combat frames.The colony ships would have been built and supplied on Mars at its peak, they would well supplied to rapidly establish advanced hives and independent stellar fiefdoms. STC databases would have contained the sum of humanity's science and many were able to print technology so most could leapfrog past most of the gritty colonial phase.However where Knight worlds emphasized self reliance and avoiding the Federation, the Federation worlds rapid pursuit of progress would inevitably let their economics focus on interstellar trade and once the age of strife came and the warp storms, coupled with the AI rebellion. Essentially the Bronze Age rise and collapse on a galactic scale.
>>5396980>>Talk with the once forign, now fellow, Tech Priests of the Federation.UNITY
>>5397002The ships had Men of Stone, half machine half men that were resistant to the warp.I wish GW talked more about then, we only have a little passing description, but they sounds like the pinnacle of what the Mechanicus considers holy.Maybe they were like the Vottans ancestor machine database, but less juryrigged.
>>5397440 "Men of Stone" for me indicates the level of technology used in the early days of the great expansion. It would be something like a brain in an immortal body made with technology. Technically it's something the Emperor can do at 30k, but I don't know if he would be willing to share the technology needed to create perpetuals using machines.
>>5397440It just was a way to explain the power levels of the setting. Men of Stone > Men of Iron > Men of Goldthey try to fluff it up but it wasn't something well thought. In fact, it seems that is the case with everything. A dumb concept that they put make up on for 40 years until we have what we know today
>>5397440>Men of Stone>Resistant to warpImagine if they were some sort of blackstone technology but either the Necrons influenced mankind to abandon taking their precious blackstone or they went full retard and decided against it, thus allowing the AI to be corrupted by Chaos.>>5397496QM unfortunately ascribes that all perpetuals must be psychic in nature, which goes against our goals. The best we could do would be necron reanimation protocols.Last thread TalOS is aware of a machine that can recreate a copy of a soul but the copy is rumored to be evil or flawed, suspected to be the Proteus Protocol.But there's also the Antigonus STC that was able to make a pure and true recreation of a digital soul that was vouched pure on Mars and who fought against Chaos.
>>5397604So Antigonus found an ancient machine wonderful enough that managed to do a miracle? The Necrons would be jealous that a human accidentally did what they were promised they would receive.
>>5397604"What is a soul? A miserable pile of pain!"Really though souls are terrible because we know that like the Eldar, men are damned to a horrific and eternal fate upon death. We have no soul stones, no infinity circuit, and even if we did such things are walls of sand in the face of eternity. I sure hope the idea that blanks are born without souls or at least souls so small they do not exist in the afterlife is true, because our children and their kind are surely blessed.Talos can only but pray and have faith in the idea of the Data-Vault and that the Machine God can truly save the souls of the faithful. Like the god nailed upon wood of the Katherics.Because without that, if there is little hope that the Machine God Saves, the destruction of the soul to be like the Necrons is not such a bad thing either, if anything a good thing, a noble thing. To see our souls fed to the Void Dragon our god, so that we are forever a part of him, and not cast into the warp? Other than an afterlife granted by the Machine God, what greater guarantee is there for any man than to avoid a fate as the plaything of a demon for all time than the destruction of his soul.There are still nobles and heroes among the Necrons, indeed there is still even the semblance of love among them.The cost of having the curse of a soul with no guarantees to the afterlife is NOT worth it under any circumstance. It will really depend on how much Talos believes that the Machine God saves souls genuinely, and lets them avoid their cursed fate.>>5397626However Antigonus machine did it where he remained a faithful and feeling soul for hundreds of years, that's a true miracle of the Machine God.
>>5397693If there were a way to preserve our soul while being integrated into the machine, it would be worth it. Especially if perpetualism is possible without sacrificing our ability to use the motive force as we cannot currently do so. Offering perpetuality and still being able to tap into chronomancy is the most surefire way the Emperor could convince TalOS to not reject his soul.>>5397604Does TalOS believe the Machine God saves the souls of the faithful from hell?
>>5397626The man spent several hundred years reforming his consciousness after narrowly escaping a demon on a corrupted world, helped the grey knights to slay the corrupted Chaos titan, and his final request was to finish his report in person on Mars and fulfill his duty.Is it any wonder why the Machine God would bless such true faith with a techno miracle?
Many other speeches were had but few could carry the same weight that TalOS had presented to them first and foremost. Let it be the Magi of Mars and even a small one from the Fabricator General of Lucius all accepted that TalOS was the head of the victory. In the flavor of celebration the Titans were left in the same position for twelve days and nights. Watching vigilantly as many of the Serfs took in the goods that were now plentiful to them. Knight worlds provided to these peoples plenty of food while connecting with the Imperium gave the common folk luxuries forign to the Forge World. Being the center of a burgeoning Empire, it was not hard for these servants to somehow net reasonable amounts of wealth as Tech Priests attempted to stuff their factories to their greatest capacities. During one of the many celebrations where TalOS held within his hands a mug of B3-3R that a person shrouded in golden cloth approached. “Astropath Prime.” TalOS declared the title of the individual without even turning his head, “It is quite the moment to be approaching me.” “The matter is urgent.” Declared the psyker with a weak voice. “Urgent but needing to be kept secret?” Suggested the Primarch as he glanced at the Astropath. There was a moment’s thought that he could assume who it was from but there was something much simpler, “Of who asks for my attention?” “The Fabricator General of Mars, my Lord.” declared the Astropath while giving a small bow of the head. TalOS gave a simple nod before rising from his place, “My Sons, I shall leave you to your chatter.” As TalOS left he heard a few cries of encouragement but mostly the Acillians and Astartes went back in on themselves. Though the Primarch noticed a few faces here and there that were not of his sons but of the Skitarii that assisted them. A moment’s humor was there, but the Primarch was interested as to what will be happening soon related to that.
When connection with the Imperium was made a few years ago Lucius had brought itself under the fold of the Mechanicum. This of course granted them the access to Astropaths who allowed communication throughout the galaxy. These men though needed special rooms and facilities, both to concentrate their psychic might as well as simply desiring higher standards of living. As they stood upon Lucius, the planet of Artisans, no expense was taken when creating the golden architecture that the Astropaths desired. TalOS was not a fool though as he heard whispers about many of their kind dreading to arrive at Lucius. The reason, of course, was the Blackstone Fortress that forever hung in the sky above their heads. Even so far away from the Fortress Psi Candles lit the halls as TalOS walked them. Many people who roamed the halls quickly making way for TalOS. As expected of the psykers, their fear of Blackstone is evident even at moments like this. The one who was directing TalOS through the place brought him to a larger than average chamber. Walls were lined with gold while the symbol of the Telepathica stood out above a throne within the room. Thus, this was the Astropath’s main meditation hall if TalOS was to guess. “The Fabricator General had sent this message as urgent and also wished for it to be kept silent.” Declared the Astropath as he presented to TalOS a document, “The Astropath who wrote these words down did not read them, so security is affirmed according to the request.” TalOS took the paper from the man’s hand, watching him flinch the tiniest bit as the Blackstone came that tiny bit closer. Opening the document he scanned it for a moment and studied it. Sanctus Dominus TalOS, I congratulate you on your success against both the Mitu Collective and the Orks. A mighty victory you have won for the Mechanicum and the Omnissiah. Already your name is known to even the lowliest of serfs who live on Mars and Terra. I hereby invite you once again to Mars for the celebration of your victory and discuss your future within the Mechanicum. - Fabricator General Kelbor Hal.As he read the letter TalOS realized the truth of the matter, that Kelbor Hal wishes to poach him from the Federation for Mar’s own use. >Agree to the visit and discussion. >TalOS will only be there to visit>There is too much to do within the Federation. Another time, maybe.
>>5397905>Agree to the visit and discussion.Time to convince Mars to accept the CoCK.
>>5397905>Accept the meeting and discussionWe're not getting Poached, you little shit. Nothing you could offer us would really be enough.
>>5397905>Agree to the visit and discussion.
>>5397905>>Agree to the visit and discussion.Let us have the greatest and grandest arrival upon Mars. A visage worthy of one who has proven himself the Prime Conduit of the Machine God. Where before we arrived in some urgency and humility seeking to build a crusade, now we arrive as a victorious prophet, like the ancient prophet who returned unto ancient Mecca in triumph as Lorgar would say.Perhaps even, we can now make it truly rain, and convince others whom is the true material Omnissiah.
>>5397905>Agree to the visit and discussion.Dungeon diving with Kelbor and Cawl when?>>5397907We ain't the poached, we are the poacher.
>>5397934Cawl was a younger man after the Emperor had just been killed by Horus, and he and his friend freiderich were adepts. Depending on whether or not a young and brilliant adept and his friend could afford rejuvenates form a young age (or more likely, his master who wanted to achieve immortality by transferring his mind to him via untested mind transferral tech) kept him young so he'd have a nice body to enter, if he were alive right now he'd be a baby or a toddler.An utterly brilliant toddler who was able to speak perfectly via vox caster much like we did. Cawls mind transferral technology, or rather the technology of his master, is theoretically another possible method for us to achieve immortality or some safeguard in the event of our demise, and also opens up the door for us to construct Talos Inferior. It would not involve soul death like copying our mind digitally, but transferring from one vessel of brain flesh to another.
>>5397905>Agree to the visit and discussion.The Federation is deeply important, but the Faith to the Omnissiah deserves our work
>>5397693that's him inquisitor, that's the heretic!!!
>>5397905>Agree to the visit and discussion. Finally! time to have a real conversation with the big E himself, plus meet newly found siblings, plus see our talented apprentice. But it would be wise to prepare the whole federation idea on the trip, I imagine it would be a few weeks of travel.
>>5397905>>Agree to the visit and discussion.we are no pussy!!! plus this man is the damn fabricator general of Mars. That deserves *some* respect
>>5397905>Agree and Visit>Return in massive pomp and circumstance, as a victorious prophetThe time has come. Last time we left a hopeful faithful wanting to prove himself. Now we return for the true arrival the scion of the machine god deserves
When we first arrived to Mars, it was as a humble pilgrim, gathering a band of brave souls to bring the fight to the alien and reclaim the Machine God's realm.If we're going to return to the Cradle of the Mechanicum in glory as a prophet to make a big impression, what's the best way to go about it?
>>5398441We own a titan that can teleport, I think the intro kinda writes itself...
>>5398441>>5398476>Siphon an ocean world and make it rain from the blackstone fortress, no psychic tricks that dry up this time. Make our own claim to Omnissiah>Teleport the Titan onto the first true lake Mars has had in thousands of years>Bring a caravan of some reclaimed STCs to be stored in the holy vaults of Mars as well as huge gifts of adamantium, solarite, and other precious metals>A procession of the Knights of our realm to outdo even House Taranis in number>A planetary broadcast via the rediscovered Noosphere
>>5398489that sounds fair
>>5398489Love it.Also given we are sending UZ1 to Sol and she hasn't set sail yet, it seems we will both be returning in glory.This may be our last interaction with her for a time, though we have confidence in her. Maybe before she leaves to explore Terra for us, we can at least do something meaningful for her.
>>5398489Very based>>5398541The Mechanicum doesn't have traditional marriage, but I'd imagine there's something similar in an organization that has tech families and dynasties that control forges and different sectors of production and pairs good candidates. Especially for those in the higher echelons of forge society.
Taking the invite to Mars>>5397906>>5397907>>5397934>>5397908>>5397914>>5397915>>5398006>>5398017>>5398117>>5398221>>5398289
The Primarch took his time to read through each line of ink, knowing that such ink was only done when the Astropaths took in their communication. He wondered for another minute as to how the Astropaths could not really understand the message. Maybe some technique Malcador the Sigillite developed to allow such galactic communication possible. Such thoughts were only keeping TalOS from making a declaration, but it was one he knew was for certain, “Inform the Fabricator General of Mars that I will come to meet him. I will hear his proposition when I arrive upon the red planet.” “Understood Sanctus Dominus.” The Astropath declared as he gave a solemn bow, “Is there anything in addition you wish for me to do?” TalOS shook his head, “You do not need to keep it secret, my departure for the Red Planet will likely be known to all. As for the reason the Fabricator General has decided to keep even myself in the dark.” “I understand.” With those words the Astropath made his way to the throne within the sanctum. Knowing that his presence would only hamper the operation TalOS made his way out of the Astropath’s Quarters. As he walked numerous communications were sent to and from TalOS with the arrangement of ships and what they will do for the flight over. Of all ships TalOS will need to leave the Blackstone Fortress behind. Both as it protected Lucius from the greatest of troubles while also making the risk of blotting out the Astronomicon minimal. Such troubles TalOS had, needing to deal with the psychic construct that his brother built for the men of the Warp. As for those that will join him the Primarch could guarantee Magos Dominus Sicarian will be in attendance. UZ1 will join him too as TalOS delivers her upon Terra for both research and the greater education of Malcador. As for others TalOS might extend an offer of transport to the Knights of Dutonis. TalOS will be in need of an honor guard and having the Knights act as such will only serve the demonstrate the power of the Federation to the people of Mars. And one cannot argue against their fire power joined with the Proelitor Guards that TalOS will surely be employing as well. It will be another extension of the celebrations it seems. It will also be a sign that business must once again begin to supply the Great Crusade with the Arms and Armor that they so covate.
As the war finished the title of Sanctus Dominus had become something of a ceremonial one that TalOS could hold proudly. A title granted to him not by a higher power but the people who he rallied to war with. The Title has grown since it was randomly generated to be that of a Crusade Leader, but at least TalOS’s use of the title had left him. In conjunction with that title TalOS held another, Arch Dominus of Lucius. Such a Title was one declaring him one of the greatest military leaders of the planet to which he was found upon. To hold such a title TalOS was the manager of several factories devoted to Skitarii and the vehicles in which the Legio Skitarii used to wage their wars with. One may wonder how the power was balanced with a position as monumental as his. This balance was held by the fact TalOS had few naval assets to his name and that the Titan Legions answered to Magos ADM1N. The Fabricator General was the one who united these pieces of the military together into the uniform planet of Lucius. It was a system that might have been abused, but with such a long lived Fabricator General at the helm of operations few could question his authority. After all, how can you question a contract when the one who built its foundations was the one you had to debate against? Though with his duties as Sanctus Dominus taking the forefront and organizing the war TalOS had to place the production responsibilities upon someone who he knew would do well with it. As he walked into the halls of his great Manufactorium TalOS was greeted by a man who had become more metal from the last time he had seen him. +Dux Dominus D3X, it has been a long while.+ TalOS called out to his friend while extending his hands in greeting. +/Body signs read/ /Time denotation calculated/ it has been several years TalOS. It is an honor to meet you again.+ TalOS gave a small chuckle as he heard those words, +Formal, are we?+ He saw several eyes glance upon him with a clean red focus, +[Counter] Then I should open stating that you have finally embraced the Machine?+ TalOS could only wave his hand as he heard that, +You were one of the few who placed me on this journey. I simply decided that now was the time for my ascension.+ +[Detailing.]+ The Machine Man said as he began walking through the rows of assembly systems, +[Assessment] You are correct. Admittance that the work upon your augmetics is far beyond the base functions of Lucius. I would wish to study them.++I can give you the schematics.+ TalOS declared as he began his own walk.
+[Allowing stimuli] That is good. Wondered what kind of mystics you had discovered as I stayed upon Lucius.+ D3X announced as he stopped for a moment to allow the Primarch to catch him, +From the Mitu there is much we have found and shall analyze.+ +And more. I know these moments will be the greatest in the amount of knowledge we can gather from the universe.+ Announced TalOS with the sureness one would expect of a Primarch. +[Assessment]Your hypothesis is confirmed. Mechanicum forces attached to the 113th exhibitionary fleet announced Leman Russ has discovered an STC. Its contents will be arriving first to Lucius for duplication before the original is sent to Mars.+ Declared the Tech Priest as he nodded. +My brother spoils me.+ TalOS admitted as he heard those words. +[Calculation] Such transfer has added three weeks of travel time compounded with the one month processing period. He does not think purely by straight logic but by politics, giving you such a valuable item as a bribe.+ Announced D3X as he tried to affirm TalOS’s opinion. +Both or neither could be the case. One cannot underestimate him as he is of similar making to me.+ TalOS admitted as he looked out into what was an empty area of the manufactorium. +Indeed.+ D3X took a moment to look from one side to another, TalOS noticing a series of sensors being fired off in all directions. In the next moment a data tether was linked between the two of them by the Dux Dominus, +[Confirmation] Link Secure. An issue has occurred in storage.+ The Arch Dominus allowed the change in demeanor affect him as he spoke through the link, +What has happened?+ +[Report] Based on the Treaty of Olympus all psykers collected by the first wave of expansion have been transferred to the care of Terra. Of fifteen thousand eight hundred sixty two subjects only fifteen thousand eight hundred fifty three subjects have been reported to transfer.+ Declared the Dux Dominus with a dour outlook already generating. +Someone has stolen our psykers…+ TalOS felt a wave of anger and wroth wash over him as he realized what it meant. >Keep it quiet, use the psi sensors to do an above ground search. >Make a ruckus about it! These are fucking psykers!>Let's just kill whatever psyker is on the planet. Turn up the Blackstone Fortress. >Lay some traps to see if any other psykers are stolen.
>>5398978>Keep it quiet, use the psi sensors to do an above ground search.We have the technology for a reason.
>>5398978>Lay some traps to see if any other psykers are stolen.
>>5398978>Keep it quiet, use the psi sensors to do an above ground search.and>Lay some traps to see if any other psykers are stolen.We can do both.
>>5398978>Keep it quiet, use the psi sensors to do an above ground search.
>>5398978>Keep it quiet, use the psi sensors to do an above ground search.Hyper spooky time to Search and Destroy
>>5398978>Keep it quiet, use the psi sensors to do an above ground search. >Lay some traps to see if any other psykers are stolen.
>>5398973>UZ1 will join him too as TalOS delivers her upon Terra for both research and the greater education of Malcador.I thought she left a thread ago lmao and we were going to check up on her
>>5398978>Keep it quiet, use the psi sensors to do an above ground search.mmm.... technollogy. Yes this is my voteFor the sake of grindark I was thinking on voting for the blackstone fortress but that would end up being GRIMDERP.>Some psykers were abducted>KILL EVERY PSYKER IN THE PLANET
>>5399252That's just Tal0S just going "fuck it" and realizing he'd rather have no psykers for anyone than psykers possibly in enemy hands
>>5398978>Write-In>Slowly and gently increase the Blackstone Fortress, to within tolerance levels of the general population>Goal is not to (intentionally) kill but to suppress and possibly reverse those who commit to hiding underground into neutrals, possibly even into blanks. Or to drive out those who cant take it into the light>Focus psi detectors on preventing off world escape via teleporters and shipyards or sneaking into our sanctioned psyker sanctuaries. They can also have a special void base distanced from the Fortress>Only sanctioned psykers like astropaths and navigators will get reprieve via more candles>Let the people be comforted in the knowledge and logic that if there are psykers, they are protected by the Blackstone Fortress We have not discovered Graia yet but one day we will find their people are so devoted to logic and reason and the shunning of the supernatural that their very nature seems to deny the warp. Our people could be like them. More the so we could have another front to test our polarity reversal experiments.These hidden psykers, if they are committed to staying hidden, where the field is just tolerable to the general populace will face an immense struggle. Either they overcome this struggle and possibly lose their powers permanently, or even reversing them as years drag on, or they cannot take it and come screaming into the light for relief They have the choice of being sent to Malcador as sanctioned psykers or being given the Machine Gods peace via the end of a volkite.
>>5399542>Addendum: keep on the lookout for illegal psyker sanctuaries. They should stick out like a sore thumb during the overall suppression fieldOccured to me the Psykers may attempt the shield themselves somehow.
>>5399542No. You are not cheating to make blanks. It is ALOT FUCKING HARDER than reversing a person's own polarity.
>>5399648 Boss in possibilities, how hard is it to reverse someone's polarity? 10%, 5%? Do the numbers change depending on the individual in question, in the case of super humans?
>>5399670You can't reverse a soul's polarity. Later either this or next thread you will see how hard it is to make someone a blank.
>>5399648Well, it was worth trying! At least now we have some definitive answers.>>5399683Aw damn.Will that also explain a bit where we went wrong in trying to mimic the Blank Grey Knights? Is such a thing still at least within the realm of our reach in the game?https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ferrymen
>>5399542>Switch to>Let's just kill whatever psyker is on the planet. Turn up the Blackstone Fortress.>Then an above ground sweep, just to be sureThe law is the law, Imperial or Mechanicum. Suffer not the unsanctioned or the rogue psyker to live. Their chance to join the ranks of Malcador was squandered either by their own hands or someone else's.Obviously, ensure our sanctioned psykers are not caught in the cleansing...
>>5398978>Let's just kill whatever psyker is on the planet. Turn up the Blackstone Fortress.Even if it doesn't go through, it wouldn't feel right if at least some part of Tal0S DAV1S internal thought process isn't paranoid 24/7.
>>5399670fuck off namefag
>>5398978>Let's just kill whatever psyker is on the planet. Turn up the Blackstone Fortress.>>5399648>>5399683As the ancient Saint ED150N himself would say, we have not failed. We have discovered a new way it won't work.
>>5398978>Let's just kill whatever psyker is on the planet. Turn up the Blackstone Fortress.This is probably a horrible idea but it sounds fun so I'll throw my vote in for taking fortress-chan on a trip with us to see marsAlso I wonder if the void dragon might react to fortress-chan
>>5399843We turned it from one of his ancient shackles into the centerpiece of a crusade dedicated to him.I think he would be very pleased.
>>5399838 Just did
>>5399854Even if we dont bring it, maybe this time we can take a moment to visit the Noctis Labrynth.Iirc it wasnt officially forbidden like the Vaults of Moravec were. Emperor just put a perpetual there to tell people to go away.
>>5398978>Let's just kill whatever psyker is on the planet. Turn up the Blackstone Fortress.
With the clarification that it will not be possible to practicably reverse the polarity of a soul (though I'm curious what the Grey Knights that we missed) we can scratch one more item off the Blank Research list. I wonder what options will remain to us?[X] Investigate if souls polarities can be reversed to help make Blanks (They cannot)[ ] Investigate our known Blanks, to bolster their numbers:>If Psykers are genetic, as per Navigators, is it likely that Nulls are too? [Confirm the existence of the Pariah Gene]>The Ancients were able to stabilize the Navigator Gene and establish growing populations. Can we do the same? [Emulate Planet 9-13 / Sisters of Silence conclaves]>End Goal is creating a sort of reverse Navigator Houses, likely on remote planets like Xana, tasked with the raising of blanks from pure populationsAll else fails, if the flesh fails us us, we shall have to just pursue the Cron's Blank Generating technology and rely on inorganic blackstone. Where flesh fails, the machine will prevail.
>>5399949 Technically it's still a gene, maybe it can be implemented in developing fetuses? Or maybe clone fetuses that already have that gene, and modify them so that they survive longer?
>>5399966No cloning, QM already said that it's a bad idea.
>>5400018Mhm. Although, technically speaking, Vitae Womb/In-Vitro/Gestational Tube population boosters is a canonical way to rapidly grow a population and seen as a perfectly valid thing even among techpriests.They just hate Krieg because they don't share their methods.But hell, we and our brothers were technically grown that way.So we can try to supplement natural pairings of Nulls with as many gestational tube fetuses as can possibly survive.
>>5400026I think that it doesn't really count as cloning and instead just artificially growing people.Maybe all it needs is for you to mix the genes of each one enough for the universe to not be angry about it.
>>5400033Makes sense. This explains why the Navigator Houses put so much emphasis on pairing up of good genes rather than just trying to copy very good examples. Even if they found a perfectly stable Navigator with the "Cannot be Possessed" trait from 2e, I doubt they'd have any luck cloning it.That's the fun part of the Mechanicum btw. All the "doesn't count" and doublespeak you can use to justify your actions.Design an AI software but put a single human brain into the hardware so you can say its got an element of human control? Perfectly acceptable.
>>5400018 Pure cloning really ends up in a lot of problems, but if the cloned fetus is modified to have different physical and mental characteristics than the original ones during gestation, would that being still be a clone?
Have a techpriestess
>>5399949The issue is you theorize that souls is just like Blackstone. That is wrong. A soul does not have a polarity.
>>5400069As we can see, TalOS was sooo tempted to just rage and order their demise, but logic always prevails. This is a test of new technologies and the hunting of psykers.
>>5400066Would it be accurate to say Blackstone is like a cup which can be filled with positive polarity or negative polarity whereas a soul is more likely a liquid that intrinsically has a polarity for that. With the Blackstone the polarity is not something intrinsic to it and instead it acts as a vessel for positive or negative polarity while the soul just is a specific polarity and to change it rather than emptying or filling a cup you would need to effectively change the properties of the soul akin to preforming surgery on it?
>>5400075No. I would like to make a point about souls but it would easily spoil shit. Anyways, Blackstone is much closer to a magnet. You put power through the magnet and it becomes polarized. Sometime it will even hold the new polarization. Souls do not have that. There are simply stronger and weaker souls.
>>5400066My only reasoning for have done that is based on the evidence in canon with the Ferrymen and how the previously Psychic Grey Knights were somehow flipped or turned into Nulls, which lead me to believe their polarity was somehow reversed. So that was what I had based it off of.That and the way the assignment is arranged from positive to negative, and how psykers can be made to lose their powers through prolonged exposure. So if Psykers can be neutralized, it wasn't so strange to imagine more energy could push them int he opposite direction.But if it isn't polarity reversal that creates Ferryman Null Marines, what is? Did they figure out a way to take pre-existing nulls and make them into Null Grey Knights from the get go?
>>5400080I keep saying your polarity theory is wrong related to souls. Think outside the box.
>>5400081Its still going to be done, but the method will not be reversing the polarity of a person. There is one aspect of a soul's station that you are forgetting is a constant.
>>5400078>There are simply stronger and weaker souls.Hmmm. This would imply that the concept of Nulls being "Soulless" being valid then.Perhaps then the assignment has it all wrong. Baseline humans are not "Inert" or "neutral". They could be thought of more as "room temp".It's not a positive/negative scale, it's the Celsius scale! Omega Negatives are "0", and baseline humans are some positive number with psykers being a higher number!We just treat them as neutral or "zero" out of convention and them being the perceptual majority, like how Fahrenheit based his values on the human body!
>>5400086Or to put it in other words they are not "Omega Negative" that's a mistake.They are "Absolute Zero" in terms of soul power. There is no negative scale when it comes to souls, only varying degrees of positive. Weaker and stronger.
>>5400093Good try, not it. Remember more powerful Blanks tend to be more emotional, which is shared by powerful Psykers also being such. The most powerful psykers after all are Primarch, each of whom emotion is immense.
>>5400075a soul is yes or yesn't, not negative or positive
>>5400083They are very tasty?
We have to get rid of our souls. T4L0S is going to have so much fun!!
>>5400105Oh, they are always tasty.
>>5400108Even the blank ones? Demons run away from blanks and consider them disgusting.You seem to confirm that Blanks have souls, so if they have souls, and you also confirm that souls live on after the warp. . .what happens to a blanks soul?
this QM has tastefully avoiding spoiling the quest and he has REAL surprises for us, it seems. It is for our own good to avoid this meta.Changing the topic, our primarch was brought up at random in another ongoing quest and there was a brief discussion of "my dad is stronger than yours" vs the two ongoing 2nd primarch quests. It brought up a hilarious comparison, because it seems the other primarch is a saviour of people and conquers tyrants. On the other hand we have T4L0S D4V1S: YOU ARE A COG IN THE MACHINE, MENIAL GET BACK TO WORK.
>>5400128yes, I know talos has done wonderful things like giving serfs breathable air and shifts of 14 hours instead of 18. He is pretty lenient all things considerred
>>5400128Yeah, though it is obvious that QM has a different idea going for his quest. Has he gotten to the Imperium yet?
>>5400152Not really, too busy saving other brothers.It's metagaming, but Angron escaped beinf done dirty, so it's all good.Doesn't help that Malal's machines spirits are rebellious and we only get more or less one post a week.
In that single moment TalOS wanted to reach over and order for the destruction of all psykers. The fact that a group of Psykers was now among the Federation was something that TalOS should not allow to happen. With a single command TalOS could have each and every psyker of the planet killed with the Blackstone Fortress. A single moment to clean up the mess that presented itself to TalOS. But he did not give that order. +Assign Skitarii and Proelitor to search the planet for Psykers. We must confirm that at least Lucius is safe from the possible incursion by whatever lurks within the Warp.+ Declared TalOS as he tightened his fists, +If my station did not require me, I would do it myself. However I am traveling to Mars.+ +[Assignment Made] Understood. I shall issue reports accordingly.+ Announced D3X as he roamed the halls for a moment, +May the Machine God Bless you in your return to Mars.+ +Thank you. I believe I know what is happening but even then I will take the Machine God’s assistance.+ Declared TalOS as he took a moment’s thought, +Is the Tactic Display still active within this facility?+ +It is.+ Declared the Tech Priest as he change direction, +I have already prepared it with General against General Scenario.+ +With or without player adjustments.+ +[Response]We will start without them.+ Declared the Priest as he they turned into a massive room, +After that we will start to apply them when I start to fail.+ +I do wonder how many men it will take to defeat me now.+ TalOS joked as he grew a small grin, +I believe it was roughly ten last time, but I have had experience.+ +We shall see. [Conjecture]There are limits within the simulation that cannot be translated from battle and that the simulation cannot translate back into battle.+ +Then we will see who wins.+ And with that the two rested their days with friendly competition. Ultimately TalOS did see defeat, but never was it on an equal footing.
The Ship gave a moment’s vibration that showed it entered the Warp. Before then the shutters that blocked out the warp from being seen had already fallen as according to ritual. Having spoken his last words TalOS rose from his seat. With every step the metal underneath his heels shook with weight. TalOS weighed several tons at the moment, with several rooms of this spacecraft now off limits because the metal could not support his immense weight. Even places that were reinforced with him in mind screamed under such power. For that moment TalOS wondered how his brothers experienced such small things. Did they always wear their armor like he had or did they travel about without any? Did they have the fear that they would accidentally destroy something or thought that would always glide across what they were upon. Yes, a minor thought but it was something TalOS always needed to deal with. It would just be a little humorous if it happened. +What are you thinking about?+ UZ1 asked as TalOS finally reached her position. She showed the Primarch a small smile that shined with understanding. +An ever wandering thought about my brothers.+ TalOS admitted as he watched the Steel Wardens take up their positions behind TalOS, +Though it is a simple thought that I do not think applies. It would be simply seeing my brothers make a mistake.+ +What kind?+ +The kind that a newly rebuilt adept suffers when he gets new augmetics.+ To that UZ1 gave a small chuckle as surely the same images that TalOS had were going through her mind. She looked at TalOS with a devilish smile, +There are twenty of you, with several years between one another. I am sure it has happened once.+ +You say that but I wonder. We are psychic beings after all, could being so psychic allow us to avoid such a troubling matter. But if there is a moment where the Motive Force supersedes their thoughts I would want to see it.+ TalOS declared outright with a heartfelt laugh. +Then we should place our prayers in the auxiliary.+ said UZ1 as they walked down the halls.
The place that TalOS turned into his workshop was much smaller than the standard one that was blessed to him upon the Blackstone Fortress. But it was best to have one upon the vessel than not, for the amount of research that TalOS could produce was greater than zero if he did not have it. As the two of them were aligning it was UZ1 who spoke her mind first, +Soon I will be upon Terra and Mars, the homes of Humanity. It's hard to wait!+ +It is hard, but bearable in that we only have to wait a few weeks instead of centuries of travel thanks to Saint Gellar.+ Announced TalOS as he kneeled to give his eyes a good lineup on the object they were working on, +There will be lots to do there.+ +Just the Archeotech itself would be great! What secrets does Terra still hold from humanity.+ +Several things that I could barely comprehend.+ TalOS said as his Machine Spirits told him the items were aligned, +It is also the knowledge center of the Imperium and Mechanicum.+ +Yup, Malcador and Magos Dominus Sicarian just being a few.+ Announced UZ1 as she named off those that she knew. TalOS took a moment’s thought away from the project, +There are probably several brilliant minds that I do not know. Those that will bring about a future that only the Machine god would be aware of.+ +I could look for them.+ Suggested UZ1 off handedly, +I am sure many would wish to meet the Sanctus Dominus.+ +They would, but then what of the technology?+ There was a small click as UZ1 shook her head, +I can do both.+ +But you will need a focus.+ TalOS said as he pressed a button to activate the mass of lasers, +To do half and half would mean the whole is not finished.+ >>Side activity for UZ1>Headhunt Tech Priests for TalOS>Go archeotech hunting>Other suggestions.
>>5400161>Go archeotech huntingUZ1 goes dungeon diving like a rogue-like.
>>5400161>Go archeotech hunting
>>5400161Both options are tempting but I think uzi should probably go hunting for archeotech. She could find holy technology that would help her own position in the mechanicum and get some more accomplishments under her belt independent of us for when she becomes a magos.>Go archeotech hunting
>>5400158>The Ship gave a moment’s vibration that showed it entered the Warp. Before then the shutters that blocked out the warp from being seen had already fallen as according to ritual. Having spoken his last words TalOS rose from his seat.d'aaw... I miss the ritual. I liked the copy pasta
>>5400251I did not have it prepared, lol. My notes got wiped and that was one of the many things among them.
>>5400158https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q7VPKvy5SsThis nightmare earrape is T4L0S' laugh
>>5400161I thought >>Side activity for UZ1 was one of the options we had and it meant spending together all the time we have left>Go archeotech huntingWe must secure the technology!!! and perhaps QM will feel like making a side quest UZ1's Dungeoneering
>>5400161>Go archeotech huntingI hope she brings back some kickass stuff from the DAoT
"TalOS weighed several tons at the moment, with several rooms of this spacecraft now off limits because the metal could not support his immense weight. Even places that were reinforced with him in mind screamed under such power."Hmmm, and as far as I can tell we aren't technically dreadnought sized yet. This is annoying and we'll need to retrofit this somehow.Is the Onus Probandi on the scale of a Gloriana or not? I will still say we need one for travel and a very sturdy one designed by us. We clearly aren't able to easily travel about in our Blackstone Fortress as easily. Every legion had one, and Dorn had his super fortress and his Gloriana. "Did they always wear their armor like he had or did they travel about without any?"Guilliman in about a 100 or so years is going to be taught a harsh lesson by 9 Alpha Legionaire's regarding that funnily enough. And not having deployable turret guns and shield generators and robotic bodyguards hidden in every wall, floor and ceiling in your house like Talos would. And teleport weapons and bodyguards at a literal noospheric thought. And escape routes.
>>5400264Honestly part of me hopes that now that the war is over, we will get a chance to Vacation Timeskip like Vulkan did and still be able to empire build. At least after we get the Federation plans going but before we throw ourselves fully back into the Great Crusade.Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow. But a breather to spend time with Malcador, the Emperor, in Sol with our beloved UZ1 would be a wonderful thing and the primary reason we speed rushed the Lucian Crusade for like hell to earn that chance. If the Big Green Guy could do it before even rejoining his legion, surely we've deserved a break somewhere.
>>5400161>>Headhunt Tech Priests for TalOSI know a lot of people want UZ1 to get started on the archaeotech right now and right away, and I'm sure she alone could find some quickly. UZ1 has the whole of the Great Crusade to be our brave explorer, among other things.But just as we cannot be everywhere at once, neither can UZ1. A little patience now can pay off massively in the future.Let's meet up with the brilliant minds first, and those who would have lead teams of their own in the canon timeline. Why have only one brilliant explorer searching on our side, when we can have oh so many? The brilliance of Arkhan Land famed explorer of his own, Ezekiel Sedayne the Lord Geneticist hand picked by the Emperor himself for his brilliance! These minds could be invaluable aids.Then once UZI has gained their trust and confidence, we can switch her Archeotech Hunting later now with even much greater assistance than if she were to ever work alone. Invest a little diplomacy today, reap greater archaotech's later.
>>5400161>Go archeotech hunting>>5400382My only issue with having Uzi headhunt for people is her lack of clout and reputation. She is practically a nobody for all intents and purposes still. What she most desperately needs is some achievements of her own under her belt that will force others to take her seriously. Think about it she literally had to beat the Acillians before they acknowledged her. Right now her influence is still painfully limited but it is just enough to support her mounting expeditions since she earned credit for her military achievements and impressed the Astartes so they will dispatch some men to go with her. So it is not like she is going in blindly.
>>5400128>>5400132TalOS friends, allies and upbringing definitely do not mark him as the egaliatarian I feel. As I mentioned before, he was found immediately and raised by the upper echelons of his planet. He is a noble princeps, two of his closest allies are Knight Princes, and he wears the red cloak of the most brilliant Tech Priest in the extremely selective Mechanicus Organization. He would gladly welcome into the fold of his empire Hiveworld Presidents or Dictators alike, so long as they give compliance and let us reorganize their planets for maximum efficiency and provide us resourcesI still want to see a scene down the line like that scene between Angron and Russ tries to shame us about how the Imperium is so tyrannical and we basically turn about and say: "Yeah Angron, it sure is. And guess what? I'm a High Rider. My friends are High Riders and we dwell at the tops of golden spires. What are you going to do about it?"Jokes aside where he will shine in regards to helping the masses I think, is where Guilliman did. The establishment of a prosperous Federation where prosperity does legitimately benefit the masses while at the same time ensuring maximized outputs.
>>5400391She is riding off our reputation as Sanctus Domini, the conqueror of the Lucian Sector, and the Prophet of the Machine God.In her own words: "I am sure many would wish to meet the Sanctus Dominus"She is definitely not a nobody simply by being associated with us lol. And she has war feats since she also fought in this war she's a veteran. Not to mention we ourselves could kit her in such fancy gear and extremely advanced equipment people are gonna be clamoring to get a piece of the action TalOS is offering.
>>5400358Tal0S should build noosphere operated robot bodies or use holograms for small day to day activities after he reaches a certain size and weight class. Bit like when Magnus would psychically project himself when needing to "be" at distant places. It would also be a test of his abilities if he could create a robotic body that was on par with the flesh body of a primarch pound for pound.
>>5400400Tal0S favorite food is the recycled bodies of the poor and he's aiming to be the second richest man in the galaxy. That should tell anyone plenty about his character.
>>5400161>Headhunt Tech Priests for TalOS
>>5400573the recycled bodied of the poor deep fried by his mother** get your facts straight
>>5400610Deep fried in 100% pure recycled poor people fat. And that's saying something cause there's barely any fat in them.
>>5400620There was an old saying, 'Eat the Rich' among the times of the federation. Though in the Grimdarkness of the Far Future, they don't even have enough money to eat eachother.
>>5400620don't be silly, brains have so much fat in them. 60% of its weight
>>5400450The Indomitus Era Fabricator General's main body is an actual building, with the large part that contained his head poking through to the Council Chambers akin to the Navigator Container in Dune. He required barges to move around, but he was still able to physically enter the Emperor's Chambers to help make repairs to the throne. So refurbishing our ships to permit a planned Telemon/Armiger sized body isn't too wild.It would make sense too if we want to encourage the growth of dreadnoughts and larger space marines who resemble Primaris in height using bionics that we would work on retrofitting the ships to be hardier and sturdier with wider hallways.Displays of material resource are an important part of any Techpriest repertoire.>"Materialism is a Virtue" ~ Book of Catechisms
If TalOS is to be the Drip-march, will QM would let use get Auric Plating while we are at Mars? This is his shining moment when he returns in glory having reclaimed an entire sector.Ours can be different from Dorn's by having the more crimson hue of "Martian red gold" but still made of the same material as the Emperor/Custodes armor. Instead of just a cape we still have the full red cloak of a Techpriest.
>>5400675All of my yes. I almost pity Lorgar. For he will NEVER be as shiny and glorious a prophet as we are.
>>5400686It was bad enough being the only religious child in a family of 19 other atheists. Now there's another brother whose the wrong religion but richer, stronger, and successful with a bigger following and worst of all Dad appreciates his religion while shitting on yours.We won't just push him to turn to Chaos, we're loading him into a Marocannon and firing him into the eye of Terror with the amount of seethe Lorgar will have at the mere sound of our name.
>>5400783Honestly, bugger him with a billybat. Lorgat put his faith in meaningless ritual while we put ours,in cold steel and the advamcement of the posthuman condition. We could take his Legio with half our supporting assets stripped and pur eyes closed. Hoping Big E sends us to put him down like Horus sent Russ for Magnus.
>>5400952As fun as that would be, I doubt it. Not only sending one religious brother to put down another would be hypocritical, the message would be disastrous for his goals because it would send a massive rallying cry for billions around the Galaxy to switch to the Cult Mechanicus since we are the "right" alt religion to the Imperial Truth.Although, that would be sad, as that would be quiet good for us.You can bet even after Guilliman does it, we will have a smug smile behind our metal faceplate but probably keep low so we don't get the other sanction. He'll never Monarchia Lucius (probably) but he could find other ways to make us think twice.We might replace Russ in taking down Magnus though, given our Blank specialty.Unless QM wants the 11th to be even an greater a rival to us than Lorgar, which would be impressive indeed.
>>5400983>>5400952But if we did. By the Machine God if we did.If we were to be given the Permission to teleport drop our giant walking Cathedrals and unleash apocalyptic fury of our God upon his false church while blaring out sermon speeches that can be heard upon the planet?Lorgar would never recover from that.
>>5400983Lorgar isn't a rival to us, he might consider us a rival but to us he's just another inefficient waste of resources to snidely look down upon with a mixture of disdain and slight disgust. He simply isn't worth our time, after all we have much more important things to think about as a high ranking member of an actually useful rather than some paltry cult worshipping a man that doesn't even think himself divine
>>5401015Point.Unlike at least Perturabo and Dorn, where at least Pert can say his men were good at siege, the Word Bearers were good at. . .?Nothing
Archeo Tech!>>5400163>>5400167>>5400176>>5400194>>5400264>>5400273>>5400382>>5400391Head Hunting>>5400595
+Then…+ UZ1 took the moment to compare the costs and benefits of each objective that they had just presented to her, +I will focus on the expedition of Terra’s depths. Just what can be gained from those exhibitions I cannot comprehend.+ +I think you can comprehend some of it.+ TalOS said to counter her doubt. +...+ The Tech Priest looked dead on at TalOS for a moment’s frustration, +I should adjust my words in saying I do not know what I will gain from it. There are plenty of items that I can assume will be acquired. I however am not omniscient.+ +I would hope you are not. Psykers and machines tend to not mix anyways.+ TalOS joked as he put the final touches on their test system. +I’ll be sure to send you a few letters about what I am doing.+ UZ1 announced as she flicked a switch to start the experiment, +If I am lucky it will come with schematics.+ +Some new transports would not go amiss.+ Admitted TalOS as they watched the crystal in the center of the board begin to glow, +If Terra holds some technology for farming I believe that will be of the greatest assistance. We will have a lot of mouths to feed.+ +A lot of them.+ UZ1 admitted as she shook her head, +If it is Terra there are likely to be administrative tools within its bowls.+ +A new concept on the Cogiator could be useful as long as it does not lead to an AI.+ TalOS admitted as he gave a nod to those words, +There is likely a growth pattern scheme or something like that to educate those in growing new colonies.+ +That would be nice.+ UZ1 admitted as she gave a nod, +I am sure there is a database holding at least that! It surely has been shared thousands of times across multiple computer systems.+ +Oh surely it has! Someone simply needs to go and find it!+ Declared TalOS with a hearty laugh. +Then I will be the one!+ UZ1 announced with the same laugh as TalOS. With those words the two of them continued their work, cheers and jeers continuing throughout the night and morning as they did so.
As he was acting commander upon the Vessel TalOS looked around the place to confirm that everything was operating correctly. The Primarch nodded to himself as he studied the systems up and down for any sign of misoperation that was not reported to him during the morning’s reports. There were a few issues TalOS had noted. They however were not of the main systems but instead related to the nutrient paste. For some reason the machine had several screws that were loosened that caused it to create more paste then what was allotted by the Adepts that morning. A lot of little things like that. Small things that did not place the vessel in any real danger and the serfs likely did not even know it was a problem. Though such things were small, they could easily be seen as someone trying to sabotage the ship. Well, less sabotage and more ride off of the vessel. Such was the reason TalOS kept his ears as sharp as he could. Everything that happened around TalOS was analyzed and processed within his mind for what it truly was. A sense equaling that of a hunter began to show as he took every other corner to try and find what his quarry was. They were likely illusive and made sure that they could not be so easily found. There was no hotspots of greater errors within the ship that could point to signs of their hiding place. Indeed it seemed that whatever was trying to hide from TalOS knew the best ways to avoid it. Cause subtle harm only when it is absolutely necessary. When it had to do such harm, make sure it was done away from where one lived. It was only when TalOS stepped into the room of the Datasmiths and their Robots that TalOS knew he was on the right track. He walked around to see a series of robots that were out of commission, hanging by chains to allow the Tech Priests to get access to their bits. Many of them were still whole, only having their reciprocals exposed to the air for standard cleaning procedure. TalOS stood before one of the machines, the Priest next to him staying silent as TalOS looked into the false eyes of the machine. The Primarch listened closely and could not hear anything off, but then again he did not hear characteristic clicking of the Kastelan Robot before him.
With his thoughts confirmed TalOS looked at his fellow Priest and spoke, +Datasmith Orellian of Hektar, may I take a closer look at this Robot.+ The Priest, who had been silent for those moments, quickly started to set his cogitators for heavy processing. While he was not saying a thing he was definitely trying to figure out what was a good thing to say at this moment. Something that would not lead to his death. Whatever algorithms were created the Priest had to come to a decision. The Priest likely knew that every moment he held back only increased the likelihood of his death. Would TalOS grant such a thing… that was not to be guaranteed. In the end he received a bow from the Priest, +The Robot shall be yours to examine. If you are interested in Unit R-407 I suggest you look into series Z-208 to Z-213. They are all exquisite models.+ TalOS gave a small nod as a Steel Warden quickly got a dolly for transporting the machine, +I thank you. I will be sure to share my findings with you.+ +I thank you for this mercy, Sanctus Dominus.+ TalOS watched as the Acillians lowered the Kastelan onto the machine moving platform. With the machine loaded they all made their exit from the facility with their prize in tow. As for where they could take it TalOS sadly could not take it to his workshop. With UZ1 there the man will likely voice complaints to no end. Instead a Holo-Vid room was chosen. The Primarch looked over to see the Robot placed before him. In the next moment TalOS looked at his sons and gave them a voiceless command to leave the room. This was between him and his brother. >Give him a thank you>Let him know of the numerous errors that were made. >Bitch at him for trying to be sneaky, again.
>>5401176>Give him a thank you>Let him know of the numerous errors that were made.He helped us a lot by creating a Schism withing the Mitu, the least we can do is help him get better.Captcha is TGWAR.We are on /qst/ machine spirit, don't be silly
>>5401176>Give him a thank you>Bitch at him for trying to be sneaky, again.
>>5401176>Give him a thank you.>Let him know of the numerous errors that were made. How will telling the spy not to be stealthy help? It's like telling Tal0S not to be inquisitive, it goes against nature.
>>5401176I am one for always voting for a single option but this is... complicated. T4L0S is a sensible man and thus a thank is in order, but giving his brother precious information that will certanly help him is valuable... damn>Give him a thank you>Let him know of the numerous errors that were made.
>>5401171 I'm sorry but are we going to use an opportunity to search for Archeo Tech on Terra, and waste it on farms? Seriously? There are possible forms of agriculture using fungi and insects that are capable of creating absurd amounts of food with all the necessary nutrients, without needing light with little maintenance and being extremely modular. Any small border outpost, even large enough ships could support such a system. And the best part? All forge worlds in 30k can create something like this. Archeo Tech can be used to create melee weaponry using small black holes, using such a chance to look for something we could do ourselves feels so wrong.
>>5401289You're missing the point. TalOS is more interested in tech that can give them an upper edge in production instead of straight up war.
>>5401289>>5401292I think the bigger potential (because we can just build High Yield sci fi agri worlds for strategic food abundance) is the potentiality of extremely compact Archaotech Food Technologies that would be useful for Forge Worlds and other planets typically dependent on interstellar trade.This would be critical and definitely worth a search. If we can prevent our enemies from using the one critical weakness of Forge Worlds, inability to feed themselves, from being used against them in a siege then it is worth it.If all our worlds can be as independent as our Knight World, we will be able to use any excess food we are making for either faster colonization or selling it to the Imperium and our brothers.
>>5401176>Give him a thank you>Let him know of the numerous errors that were made.
>>5401176>Give him a thank you>OTHER: Offer him raw data from our side so he can see what our Legion saw, pure facts with no opinion attached. Alpharius can use that data to improve his own legion without us attaching any opinion to it.>Tell him in the Mechanicum we leave 'nothing unspoken or left to detail' in Techna Lingua.>[This means if we have made no opinion, we have made no opinion, simple as. It means we don't speak in messages between the lines. Alpharius can then realize if he wants our opinion he will have to ask directly]There are reasons we shouldn't critique him off the bat.#1 It says that we believe his legion should act the way we envision, not the way he envisions or his motivations behind the scenes. #2 "Well, why didn't we do that?"#3 It gives Alpharius a critical insight into our own mindset, which could give him more leverage against us.In response, if asked:#1 "I don't presume to command the Alpha Legion, for I am not Alpharius. The Alpha Legion succeeds or fails per Alpharius alone and no other"#2 "If I could have done it, I would have. I didn't. Therefore, all that you do, I appreciate."#3 "If you want to know what I think, please ask. Don't make inferences from my silence, it's not how I run things."
>>5401415>>SupportI can see Alpharius appreciating having impartial eyes to view his legion. It's something no other legion provides because they will only focus on what they see as errors. Let him decide on his own errors that's not our right
>>5401176>Give him a thank you>Offer him raw dataGiving him the gift of impartial empirical data and genuinely appreciating his espionage is probably the surest way to earn his friendship. Let him make the analysis, we just show him the parts we saw
>>5401292>>5401376 Fair enough, but I still think that a federation-era nuclear generator, or asteroid mining methods from that same period would be more crucial to achieving independence. I'm not saying that having the capacity to feed trillions is something insignificant, I'm saying that having generators that consume minimal resources for centuries would be much more consistent with achieving self-sufficiency. Because I can see Tal0S creating a method by itself to solve the food problem, create a nuclear power generator, in realistic terms infinite, then I start to have my doubts. My point is that there are bigger problems in the pursuit of self-reliance.
>>5401415>SupportThe Machine God calls for logic and facts. Our brotherly love calls for respect. We respect our spy brother.
>>5401415I think the mistakes were what he did in this infiltration not the campaign, like we did last time
>>5401633Hmm, you might be right the context of the option wasn't immediately clear. Either way, I'm not saying we shouldn't let him know any errors that gave him away if we spotted him this time (we should especially if asked).More the attitude we take. One of constructive criticism, and "not ruling out that your actions may have been deliberate for reasons left hidden to me, rather than unintentional." But honestly, if we turn around and say "Thank you" that's already plentiful indication of : "If you were trying to sneak up on me again, it didn't work." so he can just ask us what we saw. Because by damn, he did us a good turn, so we should turn him one back. >>5401584Federation era Atomantic reactors and are really neat. I like to think of them as akin to Arc Reactors. They may not be perpetual motion, but it will take millions of years before even one of them needs to be refueled. Use em as microbreeder reactors for our guns and our boys will never have to reload.For Mining I can see the Federation using stuff like Digistruct Lasers or Assembly Beams, directly laser mining asteroids and then immediately layering the molecules into refined products, thus vastly streamlining our production logistics by combining resource extraction with refinement.Even so, with exponentially increased food production there are also war applications:-Converting excess food into biofuel/prometheum or possibly even more Phosphex-Application towards siliconic or even metallic lifeforms created from our Genetor Genius, thus bolstering our mineral extraction-the ability to apply it to grow en masse any rare or normally tedious to grow exotic plants such as can be used for advanced medicines, chemicals, munitions or other uses.Imagine if we were to custom design a plant that siphons either solar or ambient radiation that we place in regions of high radioactivity, to grow tiny pods of fissile material while also scrubbing the area, and then grow it en masse using the Federation sci fi agriculture tech. The limits are only our imagination.If it's Federation Era Tech, I do not expect it to disappoint even if it is farming. In the very least, food is a commodity and a dependency. Becoming the Breadbasket of the Galaxy means not only increased population, but by making others dependent on us, we gain influence and leverage. And we already produce arms.
>>5401654That was basically what I meant my vote for when I said thank you and point out his mistakes to be, giving constructive feedback, since that's how I think tech-priests pay back people that they think are not below them.Hopefully QM will understand the intent and fuse it all, because I think some of the other anons that voted for it thought the same.
>>5401663The Greentext Options have been tricky in the past where the wording and the outcome aren't always obvious.Sometimes I think we should just vote by intent:"Thank our respected brother for his effort. But we did spot him approaching us again. We can let him know how so he can continue to improve. We also give him access to our data so he can see how well he did against the Mitu.Espionage is a tool we value highly."For example, in the above phrasing, is there anything you would disagree with?
>>5401664Nothing to add, it's basically what I meant to say with my comment here>>5401189To try and justify why I was voting for two options, I saw them as complimentary instead of contradictory.
>>5401654 You have a point, I just hope it's from the "Federation Age" level of technology. These things are practically magic.
>>5401673I have faith in QM to impress. TalOS did recently discover Black Hole Tech. Who knows what wonders of science we will recover from those glorious days.
>>5401415I support.Raw data is the best way forwards.
"Thank our respected brother for his effort. But we did spot him approaching us again. We can let him know how so he can continue to improve. We also give him access to our data so he can see how well he did against the Mitu.Espionage is a tool we value highly."This is pretty much it in a nutshell. Help our Spybro, and he may do us good in return.
in the future when alphaomegon goes heretical poor T4L0S is going to be "no... I believe in my brother :( " so sad I am heartbroken
>>5401692 The spy boy has everything he needs not to be tricked. For him to be saved is just a matter of personal interest.
Whichever anon from ye long ago wanted STC pattern Railguns for our soldiers, congratulations, we have our ticket.It's just locked behind some short angry bearded heathens.
A clean slate of details>>5401415>>5401436>>5401568>>5401625>>5401687>>5401513Bitch>>5401198Errors were made>>5401189>>5401227>>5401236>>5401239>>5401402
>>5402161>no invul>AP -4wounds EVERYTIME unless you roll a 6
>>5402351I'm just happy its 24". Otherwise I would bitch like everyone else is.
>>5402352I agree... @son of the nanomachine show me the full sheet please... I want to see if the squats have any tradeoffs...
>>54023535" movement and can only advance 3". If you stand 6" behind your deployment they can't shoot anything. As for expense, I think its every 200-300 pts you can get this gun.
>>5402355that's better. I am bitching less Also I am finally buying the primer and acrylics to paint my edge eldars and... everything is hard, even coming up with the paint scheme
TalOS did not need to wait long after his sons left the room. The first to be removed was the head of the Kastelan, which seemed to pop off like it was never truly attached in the first place. Then a series of contortions occured that slowly revealed a man emerging from the chassis of the giant robot. With every movement TalOS slowly gained the understanding of how much control his brother truly had over his own body. Soon the man stood before TalOS without anything upon him. His chest bare the Arch Dominus the man looked rather annoyed that he was found out again. “Welcome once again, brother.” Announced TalOS as he looked upon the man with a phantom of a devilish grin, “While we have been infiltrated once again I was able to detect it and track down the ringleader.” “Congratulations, Brother.” There was a moment of anger as he saw a pair of robes presented to him, “You have caught me in this circumstance, I will not avoid it.” “Indeed, there are plenty of signs that show that you were on the ship.” Announced TalOS as he put away his backup robes, “Changes to the food, utility, and sewer systems were all present.” “Hmm, is looking into such things so closely common?” TalOS gave a shaking of the head to that question, “It is not. Only a bored Magos without something to occupy himself would do such check ups around the ship. But it seems that one has.” “Then it was a failure.” Declared Alpharius as he placed his hand upon his chin. “My only question is what part of the operation was a failure.” TalOS declared as he swiped his hand through the air, “Those things that helped me find you were not of your personal disguise. While the trip over is several weeks the Susan-Membrane should have been able to disable the majority of your bodily functions to render you inert. You and your squad of Astartes do not need food if that is the case.” Alpharius grew a sly smile as he heard those words, “That us true, we did not need those things. They were to transport assets out of the Federation to be used elsewhere.” “So the Alpha Legion employs humans in their basic operations.” To those words Alpharius gave a simple nod.
“Today was not a complete loss as you have noticed.” The words of the Primarch slithered out of his mouth as he gladly brought details to the events that occured, “Transporting assets through the Galaxy can be more valuable than the assets themselves. This trip was an experiment to see if I can get these assets across the galaxy using Mechanicum vessels.” “So you are commiting a mass extraction as the war with the Mitu has ended.” “I wanted to see how many assets I could move out of the region at once.” Declared the Hydra as he moved to take a seat on the nearby table, “Many circumstances could lead to the draining of assets. Alarm among the local populace is an obvious one, but also the need for assets within the region being gone is another. Assets are wasted if they are never to be activated.” TalOS gave a small nod as he understood what Alpharius meant by those words. That meant he was indeed pulling his resources out of the lands according to their earlier agreement. There are probably a few that he left behind but TalOS could only give a smile behind his metal mask as he gained that understanding. “The attempt to rely upon internal systems is a handy one.” TalOS admitted as he gave a sign of understanding, “But when someone notices that the food is less than it should be then issues will occur.” “As it was demonstrated today. The ease of infiltrating a single ship, where all of your resources can be placed into securing the boarding and transit, is outside of the realm of possibilities it seems.” Announced the Hydra, “We will need to do a standard decentralized approach when moving troops across the Imperium.” “It does make me wonder how many experiments you have played while within my mist.” TalOS declared as he looked upon his brother. “It could have been a thousand, or none at all.” Declared the brother as TalOS heard his heart slow. It seems for the moment TalOS will not know what his brother thinks. Somehow TalOS knew the man was lavishing in the misnomer that he tricked TalOS here, knowing that it would be hard for TalOS to know which is reality. TalOS knew one thing though, this was just a joke. That for all his obfuscation this was just a joke played so that he could gain himself that modicum of self respect back.
As that piece of their conversation was over TalOS finally began the part he was waiting for, “At this moment, brother, I thank you for what you have done for me. Without your assistance I feel that the war would have gone for several more years and many more lives lost.” To those words Alpahrius gave a small laugh, “You are correct. The Mitu were not the hardest race to trick with a past like theirs. I took their fears of the past and made them fears of the present.” “I am only curious how you learned of such things. I was roughly aware of it, being that I xenocided those that broke off last time, but how did you learn of it?” TalOS asked his brother forthright. “Your records gave us a hint at that fate. We confirmed it through slective assassinations across the outer belt of the Xeno’s area of influnce.” Alpharius described as he surely had every moment of his plans flashing before his own eyes, “Once it was confirmed we attacked. Placing within their empire seeds of the long begotten craze among their planets.” “Then it is to your luck that we allowed your schemes time to simmer.” TalOS told his brother as he looked out from the corner of his eye. “I knew that you would give us this chance.” Declared Alpahrius, “You knew I was capable of what I spoke of, and thus I knew that you would give me the chance I needed.” “As one should never underestimate a brother.” Declared TalOS as if it was a fundamental fact of the universe. “You speak of such, but I feel I have a firm understanding of our brothers.” Announced Alpharius as he waved a hand, “As for the Mitu, we spring our trap two months before your invasion. The cults that appeared quickly declared their independence. They could not get farther than that though, for by the time they started to solidify their borders you launched your invasion.” >Talk about your brothers. Seems Alpharius has some ideas about them. >Discuss with him what is happening with TalOS right now. >There is a Holo-Vid display in the room. Finally TalOS can have a worthy opponent to fight!
>>5402362>Talk about your brothers. Seems Alpharius has some ideas about them.
>>5402362>>Discuss with him what is happening with TalOS right now.This is IT. This may be the ONLY time that our primarch will open up to someone. I find it improbable that T4L0S will admit anything that hints at weakness and self doubt, even with UZ1
>>5402362>Discuss with him what is happening with TalOS right now.
>>5402362>There is a Holo-Vid display in the room. Finally TalOS can have a worthy opponent to fight!Primarch Gaming
Hey QM/guys, how does this look?
>>5402475The augs can be a little smaller. Remember that he is a Primarch and is the size of a Kastelan Robot. So their arms won't look big on him.
>>5402475One servo arm version
>>5402476Gotcha.I had a feeling they still might be too big. First draft was definitely oversized. Will see to getting them shrunk down some more.
>>5402476Rough idea but is this better?
>>5402500In my opinion, the servo-arms are redundant, if we already six appendages equally capable of crushing shit up!!! but mechadendrites look weird... heh., look at pic related. A mechadentrite made just to flip pages on a book
>>5402362>Discuss with him what is happening with TalOS right now.>while they play on the Holo-Vid
>>5402525I'd like to believe we have those too, small fine motor ones. Servo Arms seem part and parcel of the Techpriest/Techmarine, but we can always replace them with shoulder weapons I feel.
>>5402543I do agree with the fellow that the Servo Arms are too much. Technically TalOS has four already and there is the saying 'Too many chefs in the kitchen'.
>>5402821Fair enough.It does leave his shoulders open for guns at least.
>>5402362>Discuss with him what is happening with TalOS right now.>(if possible while playing a game)There are two brothers in the Galaxy I feel Talos would be most comfortable speaking with.Alpharius, the brother he plays advanced level mind games with.And Guilliman, the brother he counts on for governorship and logistical expertise, one who most shares his ambition for empire building.Dorn is a reliable friend, but hard and stoic, someone we can turn to for tactical advice on defenseVulkan is a beloved brother, someone to tinker with, but keeps to his own really.Ferrus is the hard older brotherAnd Perturabo the downer brother we want to help reach his potentialBut I don't see many others empathizing with our ambition or love of logical interestsOur brother Alpharius purpose is as "Keeper of Secrets". Secrets that are given to him are kept, and he finds those secrets that are kept from him.If we willingly divulge things to him, I feel he will keep them. Likewise, he's more likely to use secrets that he finds himself. It would hardly be fun or sporting to just use a weakness freely given. There is no challenge, no meaning, no purpose in exploiting a weakness that was presented so obviously. It would also convey a great deal of trust we have in our brother.
>Discuss with him what is happening with TalOS right now.>while they play on the Holo-Vid
>>5402362>Discuss with him what is happening with TalOS right now. >While playing a holo-vidWe are both the masters of multi-tasking.
>>5402827Funnily enough I imagine we'll have a great relationship with pert & the iron warriors if only because as the quartermaster of the crusade we'll be giving them the most stuff. the iron warriors do the shit jobs no one else wants to do and tended to leave behind large garrisons. He'll we might end up his favorite brother (even if no one else is competing)
>>5403074That is unless Pert starts being a shit and intentionally refuses all the gifts and supplies we send him."What? Are you saying I can't supply my legion? That I need "Help" or that I am insufficient for the task at hand?">Proceeds to blow up half his suppliesBut desu he was friends with Magnus so he should at least be better than Angron. Hell, even Angron was friends with Lorgar. . .somehow.
>>5403074If there's one Brother I could save it would be him. We should honestly be that guiding influence he always deserved
>>5403074Given how much TalOS like to give feedback, Pert is way more likely to think we are insulting him. He had next level inferiority complex.Talking about Perturabo, I haven't seen his Appreciator in a while. I wonder what happened to him
>>5403200Perturabo isn't a bad choice.I do think Alpharius is the brother most alike to our logical mind though, and having him protect us from our one biggest concern: Primarch Assassinations (especially by shitters like Curze) is huge.
>>5403205Well that and people infiltrating and fucking with our Federation.With Dornian defensive tactics and Alpha Legion allies watching us from the shadows, coupled with as many automata and turrets as we can around every corner, the Federation is as impregnable as we can possible make it.
A talk about brothers>>5402368The situation>>5402373>>5402390>>5402394>>5402528>>5402827>>5402934Holo vid game>>5402391
“Then we will see what the future holds for ourselves.” Declared TalOS as he thought to himself of the coming journey. TalOS thought to himself for another moment before he spoke again, “What do you think of what is happening?” “Your trip to Mars?” Asked Alpharius with a somewhat humorous chuckle. “I need another eye to look at the situation. Someone who has been looking at it from the outside. I assume you have been doing so?” “I have, brother, always have been.” “And I am to assume that since you have hand made whatever is watching us now that it is far more advanced than previous.” To those words the man whose face was of the many gave a smirk, “Everywhere there is the Hydra, we are only where you can look.” “So, is the Fabricator General of Mars looking to recruit me?” TalOS asked forthright to his brother without care of formality. “He is. The Fabricator General of Mars is terrified at the rate of growth your system of Lucius has experienced. While it cannot rival the sheer size of the Imperium, it has easily outgrown the Lordship of Mars.” A dark smile took shape over the Primarch’s face as he gave the information, “He seeks to remove the one thing that gave it such immense growth.” “My tenure upon the planet.” TalOS announced as he looked upon his brother with an ease of understanding. “By removing the brilliant mind he wishes to bring about the doom of the Federation in its juvenile stage. With an uniting factor gone it will likely begin to stagnate as each Forge World within the system grows back into old habits.” TalOS took those words in for a moment as he internalized and understood them. The simple fact of the matter being that the Fabricator General saw him as a threat. However as he thought of that another idea appeared within his head. While it was a brother who spoke to him of this, the man was obviously grown in the society of darkness. Might everything that happens before him be some sort of plot against himself and those he cares about?
“What will he entice me with?” TalOS asked as he came to the next idea, “I would think he’d keep such rumblings quiet, but if you knew I could prepare for it.” “Exploration into the wider cosmos, specifically to find other Forge Worlds and bring them into the fold. It will be a high title, one of which I heard was Fabricator Locum, but you will be separated from the operations of the Mechanicum. You would be second in command, in title only.” The Primarch of Spies declared with the tone one would expect of welcoming a royal. “That is, assuming I do not do anything.” TalOS told his brother with a small idea within his mind. “Yes. You are so well known within the Mechanicum that if he makes the wrong step, there could be a referendum or coup to place you as Fabricator General. We both know that though.” Alpharius said with a devilish grin, “You can force him into a more compromised position.” “I will not allow myself to be relegated to such a minor duty.” TalOS told his brother outright as he tightened his hand, “I also cannot let myself be divorced from the Crusade. Even now I feel the engineering of our creator pushes me towards his endeavor. I would think a builder of conquered worlds and the management of Mechanicum resources to the Crusade would be the most beneficial.” “And you will have that.” Alpharius informed his brother of the matter of fact, “He cannot stop such a reasonable request.” TalOS allowed himself to fall silent knowing that he did indeed have that kind of power. The only way he could fail is bringing the ire of Mars upon himself. So many opportunities were now presenting themselves to TalOS as he knew now what he could and could not do. Really the only thing that he could not risk was trying to become the Fabricator General of Mars. Unless Kelbor Hal makes a mistake in offending the people of Mars it would be an uphill battle. TalOS was an outsider. Being a creation of the ‘Omnissiah’ is both a boon and a grievance depending if those who speak truly believe the Emperor to be divine. That was a hard bet there. After all, of all the planets it was Mars who held closest to the idea that the Omnissiah would touch down upon their planet. And look now, he has indeed given them their Empire that was lost among the storm of Old Night.
It was through these thoughts that TalOS had to ask the next question, “And what of the Federation. Of Lucius?” “I made an agreement not to pry deeply into those matters.” Alpharius said to TalOS with a smug grin upon his face. TalOS looked at his brother for a moment. To that his brother simply gave a small chuckle, “Brother, if you are trying to make me feel something you cannot. Ever since you placed on your mask whatever I could gleam of your emotions is what I can affirm through guesswork.” To that TalOS gave a small exaltation of breath to, “You were among Lucius to gain board upon my vessel. If you were able to do that then your network was yet to be dead.” With that continued smugness Alpharius spoke, “The ships of the Federation are being reassigned and processed. With conquest over and the Imperium at all sides they have decided to start decommissioning ships or moving them to other duties. Of them a great number of powerful Warp-Capable Craft were being organized into a single fleet.” TalOS gave a small nod as he heard all this, “I have seen some of those actions, but such operations are being handled by Arch Magos C0LT as the navy is her domain.” “I believe that the single fleet has a purpose other than for the Federation. The orders were quite young, measuring what could and could not be done, but they are very similar to the exploratory fleets that Mars put together.” To that TalOS spoke, “Are you suggesting they are going to ship me off?” “It could be that.” Alpharius admitted as nonchalant a liar he could be, “Or someone is planning an exodus. The records show that the planning and development were all placed forward by the Fabricator General of Lucius. >We plan to pressure Kalbor Hal into a more suitable position. >To abandon Lucius is to stop a project halfway. We entertain the Fabricator General, but no more than that. >We hold off, for the moment.
Boy am I glad Alpharius was here to give us the info. Now if we only had Roboute here to give us the solution.Tricky tricky. I believe we could get away with opposing Hal's orders and insist upon focusing on the Federation, given the amount of influence we have over all the planets we've helped reclaimed in comparison to Mars, but this would clearly draw lines in the sand and widen the breaches. And we clearly can't just call to Malcador or the Emperor for help either because that would undermine our legitimacy trying get the Imperium to meddle in Mechanicum afffairs. No, we will need to keep this in house.Hmmm
>>5403499>To abandon Lucius is to stop a project halfway. We entertain the Fabricator General, but no more than that.
>>5403499>>We plan to pressure Kalbor Hal into a more suitable position.Use the bully pulpit granted us by the noosphere, superior logistics, and our epic reconquista gains to remind them why we're a Primarch and not a bloody Secondarch. Kelbor Hal is not my Fabricator General, the cogs of the divine machina were just liberally greased with the viscera of a multispecies xenos empire and we just retook a whole sector that had been lost since the Long Night. What comparable deeds has Kelbor Hal performed for the Mechanicum or greater Humanity lately? Pressed a few bolters for the Astartes? If we had his resources we'd have Volkite longarms stacked for issue that every man, Skitarius, and Space Marine in His service while that simpleton was still trying to figure out how to reliably replicate the firing mechanisms. GTFO with this guy already.
>>5403499>Write-In>Turn the tables around and recruit Kelbor Hal, Horus Style>Ply him with STCs, assurances of his position and prominence>Inform him that much of the resources that the Federation will produce in excess will be used to shore up the defenses and prosperity of Mars, the Mother Church>(Secretly) Use Noosphere to share our visions, get him to convert to the faith of the Dragon and abhor the Warp. Show him the visions of the true Motive Force it has shown to us and our dreams of harnessing it. We have seen our Machine Lord, and together we will propel the Mechanicum, and himself, to greatness. The Fabricator General of the most prosperous era the Mechanicum has ever seen.W.W.H.D."What Would Horus Do?"I want to see if we can just preempt Horus and get him to align to us, not him. I'd like to think that the Techpriest Primarch, who knows the rites and rituals, who shares Kelbors belief that the Emperor is not a god, a prophet of the Dragon and far more intimidate in the theology than Horus ever was, stands just as good a chance as Horus ever did.
>>5403540I need a straight choice. While I like flavor I don't want something that does not answer the question I am asking.
>>5403499>To abandon Lucius is to stop a project halfway. We entertain the Fabricator General, but no more than that.We need to keep going with the federation. We're so close to getting some time to empire build.
>>5403539>Switch to>We plan to pressure Kalbor Hal into a more suitable position.Very well.Pressure is not always negative or bullying. What Horus did was pressure, but it was positive pressure.
>>5403539See the difference is Horus needed Kelbor Hal to build him guns and boats. We don't need him for squat, and he presumes to try and depose us in order to shore up his own political position and absorb our resource base. I say we do to him before he does to us, that way he's not there when Horus comes calling, that way the bald prick has to deal with us directly, which means we get the benefit of his STCs and can shut off his proverbial water when/if he becomes unreliable.
Hm the Admech Crusader fleet shouldn't be dispersing so easily. Especially with the new resources the Federation will bequeath the Forge Worlds who devoted a few ships and manpower to get it started. Especially with the old trade deals and the need to start up the new worlds that they have ties in within Federation Space from their old forge worlds. Since the Imperium doesn't actually have any Jurisdiction over proper Admech ships. Only their counterparts could be put under acquisition by Imperial authorities. That will cost us other kinds of Federation resources and manpower but shouldn't affect Admech resources unless Mars steps in but TalOS has an understanding with Big E and Malcador. So rather the question is where should the Admech Crusader Fleet reposition itself and where is the rest of the Federation's war materials going to fuel the rest of the Imperium's Great Crusade.I smell trickery afoot. Even without Tal0S direct influence he already sent the precedence for the Admech Crusader Fleet to strike and their targeting perimeters. They can easily chase down their own leads or support Imperium forces in order to safeguard tech finds. Only if Mars intervenes would such a thing be interrupted given the clear results it has provided to donators of the Admech crusade and its participants. Mars would of course approve of this but it is also a very petty move that would deeply enrage the forge worlds under them considering Mars has the resources to establish its own Admech Crusader Fleet while the current Admech Crusader Fleet organized by Tal0S was a joint force created by all the other forge worlds pooling their resources and donating to the cause. It wasn't exactly a cheap expense for many of them given their condition and the expenses it extolled at the time. Especially since the trade deals were still in the early stages.
>>5403550We need a loyal man on Mars to help hold down the fort when shit goes down. If not Kelbor, then someone else, but Kelbor is there.And it was Kelbor who held the keys to Mars during the HH in the first place.More the so we need a loyal man who has the influence and force of will to keep Mars in line. And that man is Kelbor. Consider even TalOS realizes replacing him will not be a cakewalk.
>>5403499>To abandon Lucius is to stop a project halfway. We entertain the Fabricator General, but no more than that. Mars may be sacred, but Lucius is our mother. The federation will grow, mature and prosper, and if Mars wants to stop that, so be it, when Mars disappears Lucius will still be standing!
>>5403499>>We plan to pressure Kalbor Hal into a more suitable position.he is biting more than he can chew. This is a PRIMARCH he is dealing with.And the forge worlds being back to being forge worlds is not bad. As long as we exist we may rally them again
>>5403499>To abandon Lucius is to stop a project halfway. We entertain the Fabricator General, but no more than that.Mechanicus Secundum
>>5403499>We plan to pressure Kalbor Hal into a more suitable position.
>>5403557Balls to that, toss him out on his ear and let one of our own hold Mars in our stead.
I want to point out, if no one has noticed, that this is more of a trust idea. Do you think Kalbor Hal or Lucius would give the better deal for TalOS.
>>5403591Ok, I don't trust Kelbor, and I know sticking with our Lucian holdings is the better deal. I also fail to see the point of entertaining him when we can and should go flex on him, hence my vocal support of option "A"
>>5403599But that position relies of Kelbor Hal still. If you don't want to rely on him at all you just don't work with him. Like I said in the post, you will not be usurping him.
>>5403606From the way it was phrased, it sounded like our options were show up and compel him to adhere to our policy, show up and make polite noises then leave, or do nothing.
>>5403591Personally I blame the fact that we chose the stronger Synods as opposed to lining up to be the Machine Pope ourselves.Now we're going to have to choose between the different Synods.But the thing is, even if we go with Mars, I doubt Lucius would suddenly betray us would it.>>5403606Indeed. That's why I want to recruit him. Like Horus did. Get him on our side while we work at Lucius. Two men at their respective ends of the Mechanicum working for a common goal.
>>5403627Nope, its either force him to comply or not deal with him. I just threw out the play nice option since I assume no one is dumb enough to choose that option and cause a vote split.
>>5403631So there's absolutely nothing we can do to pre-empt Horus and make him our ally?Sad. And that sucks.Because we're basically having to choose between having our Realm of Lucius, and having Mars be loyal in the HH (or at least put up a fight).
>>5403637Essentially. Depending on this vote will dictate the interaction with Hal, since TalOS will already have made up his mind.
>>5403547>SWITCH>DO NOT ABANDON LUCIUSIt's late here and I'm unsure which of the three is the "we will never abandon Lucius" option so I'm going to say that.Since there's now confirmation it's a choice between Lucius and Mars, and there isn't an option to befriend/recruit Hal.So be it. Better then to focus our efforts on Lucius.
>>5403631So if we have the resources to force his compliance how do we not have the power to depose him or at least turn his office into a figurehead and let him give his speeches while dangling from our mechadendrites like some sort of great metal spider-marionette? Because if we go and force our will on him without eliminating or neutering him, it's just leaving an enemy in our backfield to cause future problems.
>>5403646Mars will go into revolt because a son of the Emperor forcibly took the throne of Mars. It was because of a literal miracle that war did not break out between Mars and Terra, and that was mainly because Kelbor Hal and Co. didn't want the war. A good chunk of Mars plays lipservice to the Emperor being the Omnissiah.
>>5403606Is there an option to just suggest he apply/accept the CoCK and FAG to all the mechanicus and then fuck off back to Lucius?Because I voted for this trip to Mars to do that, I didn't want to be a puppet master or depose him.
>>5403537>SWITCH>DO NOT ABANDON LUCIUSMe too, I guess? Didn't realize pressuring Hal into doing our will would take Lucius away from us,in fact my intent was to pressure him into letting us do as we like at our home forge and with our new Federation without losing the backing of Mars and the Mechanicum as a whole.
>>5403650Yup, you guys agreed to still meet with him. This just dictates how TalOS will approach the Fabricator General. It does not rule trying to befriend him. What this rules out is him trying to get TalOS for himself. And I should point this out to everyone as well. This information came from Alpharius. If you read his books you'd realize he thinks that everyone thinks like him.
>>5403649Wouldn't have to be forcibly though. I'd fancy our chances in a fair election, especially one where we have the noosphere to spread our message and Alpha Legion operatives stuffing the ballot boxes and secretly unplugging the toasters of his supporters
>>5403656Oh ok, thanks for clarifying QM.I'm keeping my Lucius number one vote, we aren't finished organizing the federation yet.
>>5403657No. Its a no so stop trying to logic your way into it.
Changing my vote here >>5403585 to>To abandon Lucius is to stop a project halfway. We entertain the Fabricator General, but no more than that.
Hmm, wish we knew earlier there was no intention of allowing TaloS to befriend Kelbor Hal or becoming Machine Pope. Cause now I wonder why we are here since the entire trip was for Hal lolThe other thing I wish we could do is just ask Alpharius to try to kill Kelbor Hal and make it look like an accident, and work together to influence a weaker more pliable man onto the position, a candidate of ours. At this stage I think we can safely say that TaloS is willing to do any actions to prevent threats to the Mechanicum and himself and Hal is definitely one of those things as he knows Hal will always fear and mistrust him no matter what he does for reasons.I hope at the end of the day we can at least walk away saying "TalOS did everything in his power to befriend Hal, but soon realized the man was not to be trusted". At least we will be vindicated. But vindication is inferior to victory imo. I wonder if we really should have helped him to get rid of Korn or not, why'd we do that too. Maybe it was necessary for TalOS to only just now realizes that nothing he does will ever earn Hal's friendship.That's the worst part about all of this?We're basically going to get cucked by Horus, since the Primarch of the same faith, who is a Techpriest like himself, with more STC's and resources at his disposal and a genuine prophet and blessed by his Machine God, could not befriend the leader of the Church of Mars or steer him away from heresy. Lorgar's going to have fun with that later on when we couldn't even keep the leader of the flock and the most holy church secure for all of our being a Prophet. That's going to bite in Talos ego really, really hard.
That being said, and moving forward, I propose that Talos knowing Hal will perpetually be a threat and a thorn to his side, the way forward should be to preempt Hal's coup instead.By preparing our own coup to be waiting on standbyWe've already implanted our own powerful Data-Jinn, now we need to follow it up with more, more custom built djinn hidden in the fibers of the Red Planet, more agents, winning over key personnel and figures on Mars and ensuring their loyalty to us, and having as many assets of ours prepared for that day. The schism is inevitable, Talos can surely see it, even if he doesn't realize it's Horus who will trigger it and not Hal's own ambition. But he can and should try to prepare for it if he cannot stop it so that he comes out on top. This is a very, very good reason why Alpharius should be the brother we keep loyal, so we can have as many of his agents stationed on Mars at a given time on our side, not Horus, to give us at least a chance of ensuring Mars does not become the open door to the war master but a closed one.Play nice with Hal, let him think we are so gullible and naive, while we are also sharpening our own hidden blades.
>We hold off, for the moment.In return we go find the Void Dragon and become the Omnissaiah. The Mars he's protecting shall become his own prison.Holding on to influence that suddenly becomes ours once all acknowledge us and not him as the leader of the Mechanicum!Becareful what you wish for Kelbor.
>We hold off, for the moment.All the options presented are basically going to let Hal fester, either openly by forcing his hand so he seethes, or quietly because by inaction he knows we aren't going to do what he says. The question should be which of these options gives Hal the least leverage in the long run. Trying to force his hand he will have evidence to show his friends "see? this is what the son of the 'omnissiah' does to the Fabricator General. He's clearly planning on taking over!". Which we are. But we shouldn't tip our hand like that. At least with silence, we leave plausible doubt on our intentions.
>>5403971Operation "Sword of Damoclese.exe" will have three phases:1. CONTROL and secure Mars2. ALTER the leadership3. DELETE any heretical and traitorous elements
>>5403966>>5403971QM actually clarified that he "does not rule trying to befriend him" >>5403656 but what he is ruling out is Kelbor Hal trying to get TalOS for himself.So befriending him is still an option. We're just never going to agree to be Hal's second fiddle. Which I'm sure as players we would never do anyway.There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding that but it feels like that's what QM is saying.
>>5403993So QM does.Hmmm. Regardless of how we approach Hal, does anyone agree or disagree with this outlook on how we want to deal with him in the long run?>Plan A>[ ] Befriend Kelbor Hal and secure his allegiance. Stop him going to Chaos/Horus and have him as our loyal right hand man on Mars>Plan B>[ ] We were unable to secure Hal's allegiance. Try to get rid of him and get someone else on Fab Gen.>Plan C>[ ] We were unable to befriend or get rid of Hal. Pre-emptively prepare our own Coup in hiding for when shit hits the fanThis is of course under the stipulations:-We will not abandon the Federation. It's our Ultramar, we just can't do that-Ideally for Plan A, convince Hal that if he works with us, and we control the Federation, the Federation will by extension work with him and be a boon for him in return
>>5404001I agree with this sentiment. Always have contingency plans.
>>5403993This is correct.
>>5404001This is an ideal list of outcomes and I agree with it.
>>5404001I would like to be able to see Plan A work. Fuck Horus.
I'm curious what Hal has planned with the exploratory fleet. It might actually be a good idea. Even if we don't personally head the fleet, if it's for a worthy cause, we could lend it our aid.
>>5404001Agree, I don't think anyone can really say that a Hal ultimately loyal to us and rejects Horus is a bad idea.
>>5404285I think it's not Hal making the big expedition, but our FB on Lucius.He might be trying to go on the footsteps of his old friend, and leave the keys to us. Or just going to visit Port Maw, since it's another hollow world.
>>5404299I'd like to imagine we have discovered the giant strange rock that we will make Port Maw, and all the other stuff. By now its a case of planning specific planetary expansions.Probably the fleet is more for something out of sector. Btw, if we wanted to bullrush to get to Guilliman, the obvious path is to just try and head for Ultramar and theoretically pass by the Squats near the Galactic Core. But that is very fucking long. There's another, possibly shorter path we could take, in a sector that has many treasures.If we go to the Calixis Sector, and lock down the Warp Gate to the Jericho reach, BAM, we're in the Damocles Gulf and a hop and a step from Ultramar. And this time there's no Hadex Anomaly in our way.It also passes by the Scaru Sector which is where the Cult of the Micro-Omnissiah is. Also Calixis is where the Cult of Sollex is who are masters of all laser tech.
>>5404335We will probably only get Scarus when the crusade finds the Lion, since it's nearby to Calliban.
Don't abandon>>5403530>>5403653>>5403644>>5403546>>5403563>>5403584>>5403670>>5403994>>5404094>>5404284>>5404307Work with Kelbor Hal>>5403582>>5403689Hold off for the moment>>5403972>>5403973
>>5404473>Work with Kelbor HalNearly gave me a heart attack with the way you worded this, but then I remembered you also said "force him to comply". Which well, forcing someone to comply hardly makes them befriend you.
TalOS thought to himself long and hard. That there were two fates before him that the Primarch needed to take into consideration. The first was that he joined Kelbor Hal and grew his influence across the Mechanicum. A dream to become a master of the Crusade that could lend an immense force to the effort. Such an aim would yield to TalOS an immense amount of prestige as well as knowledge unmatched by any in the universe. Such a fate would be fitting for a Primarch, especially when the fates turn towards him and give the Primarch a chance to ascend to the Martian Throne. In that single moment TalOS would be equal to his Father, the leader of all Legios and Forge Worlds that were within the Galaxy. “I will not leave a project unfinished.” TalOS finally spoke with the firmness and determination of a naturally born leader, “There is no reason for me to play games with Kelbor Hal and Mars when Lucius is my home. After all, that is their ultimate aim after all.+ Alpharius gave a small chuckle as he heard those words, unbelief written on his face as he looked upon TalOS for the moment. He shined a smile though as if the joke that occured within his mind was enough to break through his own slyness into something more genuine. “You sound of Russ.+ Declared Alpharius as he shook his head, “To Russ his home is not Terra but Fenris. He would say how the planet itself was the thing that raised him into the man that he is. You are no different from him.” “Is that such a wrong thing?” TalOS asked as he tried his best to mimic the same smile the 20th was giving him, “None can deny that Russ is capable and I believe him to be brilliant as well.” Those words caused a true genuine laugh to come from Alpharius as he heard that, “Russ to be intelligent, he is a barbarian.” “So you too underestimate Russ?” “If that is what you call it. I was among the Wolves for a few weeks to learn about our brother. I cannot discern reasoning and logic from his death world induced insanity.” Alpharius declared as he finished with a grin, “He even failed to ‘sniff’ me out when I was among his Housecarls.” “Then we will disagree, for I have seen our brother’s accomplishments in chemical refining. While the Death World has not sharpened his mind to the activities like you are myself, we were all created in the same chamber from the same genome.” “Indeed.” The Twentieth said with a modicum of annoyance.
“Well brother, I hope that your endevor does indeed bear fruit.” Declared Alpharius as he moved away from the table and near the construct that he previously inhabited, “I would have played the game because I can win it, but as you said we can disagree.” “From the records of the Federation and trial records on Lucius, it is hard for brothers to find any real place to agree on.” Joked TalOS before he placed forward, “Though that is likely because in so many ways we are similar.” “That the differences show themselves far more than that of a stranger.” Alpharius said to complete the thought of TalOS. “Already leaving brother? Surely we have more to talk about.” “We have spoken enough and it is much easier to pass the time suspended.” Alpharius informed TalOS as he checked the hole he was about to reenter, “I am sure we have spent more time together then the rest of our brothers have spent with each other in total.” TalOS could only give his own cynical laugh as he heard that, “Then you do not wish to be roped into another week of inventions, brother?” To that Alpharius looked upon TalOS with all the pain that he once experienced, “Those days I realized that there are secrets that I do not wish to learn. I leave you to your Machines, in turn you will leave me to my shadows.” “You are starting to sound ungrateful, brother, or did you not find use for your new spear?” Alpharius reached into the cavete that he was trapped in and brought out the weapon that the two of them made. Being its creator TalOS quickly saw that the weapon had pieces of wear upon the blade but it was still taken care of just as instructed. “It served me well.” declared Alpharius as giving it a twirl, “It is quite the capable weapon after all.” “Then I have done what I needed to.” TalOS said as he watched his brother enter the Castellan Robot once again. Once he was inside of the machine again he began to move without speaking at all. Though they were leaving here TalOS knew that he would see his brother again. If Alpharius wanted someone to speak to, he knew where to find TalOS.
TalOS would admit that the Sol system had developed even more than the last time he was here. Before the system was prosperous but not fully exploited but TalOS realized that those days were quickly starting to leave the system behind. The first and more premiere item was Terra, the Cradle of Humanity. Gone was the barren wasteland that was once Terra but instead it was replaced with numerous cities that could be seen from Space itself. The sands which coated the planet to TalOS seemed to take a more pale gold color as he looked upon it, an oddity for sure. For some reason TalOS’s mind drifted to how the Astropaths always see Terra. The planet was already a perfect gold that shines across the star. Easily it carried the symbol of being the Throne of the Universe. There was the subtle chance that this could have an effect on the planet. The constant radiation from the Astronomicon causes whatever is near it to become more like itself. It interested TalOS but it was of the other realm. TalOS understood why his Father relied upon such powers but also knew he could not do so forever. There were many things within the Warp that were a threat to the realm of the Machine God after all. “I pray to the Machine God that your meeting with the Fabricator General goes well TalOS.” UZ1 said as she shined a cute smile that could easily warm up mechanical hearts. “I can not thank you enough for that.” TalOS declared as he patted her on the back, “I’ll be coming by Terra after my meetings on Mars are completed, so do not get yourself lost in the crust before then.” “If I get the opportunity before then.” Admitted UZ1 as she thought to herself for a moment, “There is much to learn before going that deep. So much that it might be years.” “It will be something to look ahead towards.” TalOS told her while patting the girl upon her head, “See you soon.” “I will.” UZ1 declared before the two left for their personal shuttles. >The arrival should be silent, TalOS might be making Mars mad soon after all. >A good amount of pomp and circumstance! He is the Arch Dominus of Lucius. >Bring out all the bells and whistles, he is the Sanctus Dominus of the Lucian Reconquista!
>>5404546>The arrival should be silent, TalOS might be making Mars mad soon after all.
>>5404546>The arrival should be silent, TalOS might be making Mars mad soon after all. "Those days I realized that there are secrets that I do not wish to learn." At least one of our brothers understands the reason for our actions.
>>5404546>Bring out all the bells and whistles, he is the Sanctus Dominus of the Lucian Reconquista!We came here on pilgrimage to ask for help, now we return victorious to share the spoils.
>>5404546>Bring out all the bells and whistles, he is the Sanctus Dominus of the Lucian Reconquista!
>>5404546>>Bring out all the bells and whistles, he is the Sanctus Dominus of the Lucian Reconquista!Xenoskin cloaks for the Astartes and Acillians, pimp hats for the Skitarii, gold plated servitors, banners procaliming our victories hanging from every Titan and Knight's gun barrels, etc.
>>5404546>>Bring out all the bells and whistles, he is the Sanctus Dominus of the Lucian Reconquista!We return in triumph, just as we promised!!
>>5404546>Bring out all the bells and whistles, he is the Sanctus Dominus of the Lucian Reconquista!I want the roadway we walk along to have Mitu as the paving stones so we can ritually put their culture underfoot and grind it into dust>>5404618This guy has the right ideaHey TMQ can we have a bunch of Skitari that larp as somewhere between the Custodies and the Swiss Guard?
>>5404618gold plated servitorsThat makes me think TalOS has gotten to work on his "Servitors = Honored Ancestors" idea and convinced some of the nobles to let their honored dead become extremely advanced servitors.
>>5404546>Bring out all the bells and whistles, he is the Sanctus Dominus of the Lucian Reconquista!>Write-In: FUN IDEAS IF THEY CAN WORK>Take a page out of the Jermanyc Katheric tradition-Fleet activates it's Tesla Cannons in wide dispersal onto the Atmosphere, triggering thunder and lightning, maybe even rain-Lucian Style Teleport of the Particeps Semper, flanked by Legio-Lucius (Warlords using exclusively LUCIUS pattern), and Twin Houses of Dutonis Knights with their Teleporters, in said thunder and lightning-*Show off more Knights from our Two Houses than House Taranis or House Raven-Titan Horns and grand Cathedral Music from enourmous Vox Speakers on the actual Cathedrals of the Imperators-TalOS unveils GOLDEN Auric-Adamantine Plating for his body, like Dorn/Emp/Custodes, symbol of Federation's Wealth-Descends from the Particeps Semper to the ground via Columnus Anti-Grav/Incaendius Jet-Pack with shimmering light-Hordes and hordes of Cherub Servitors and Drones following our descent-Xenoskin cloaks for Astartes/Acillians, pimp hats for Skitarii, gold plated servitors of honored dead nobles, banners everywhere-Caravan of Gifts Queen of Sheba style, including Armored Transported STCs, to be returned to Mars-Gifts from all recovered planets of the Federation, esp. the Manachean Commonwealth and Lucius itself>tldr; make a run for the Emperor's money in our own appearance on Marshttps://youtu.be/rUsgiosqJqwAnyone wanna add anything? Disagree?
>>5404932>SupportNow's as good a time as any to unveil Golden Tal0S!
>>5404932>SupportIt's going to be glorious, Hal might just die of envy and save us the trouble of having to depose him later.
>>5404932>SupportWe shall be carried to the Gates of Mars - shiny and gold!
>>5404932Stop trying to make it rain. I have a plan.
>>5405183Okay. But I hope at least some of the rest of the stuff works!
>>5405183Can we still have thunder and lightning without the rain at least? Golden armor?
>>5405187No. While I understand there is probably enough of the material in the Federation I believe there is a specific agreement between Mars and the Emperor to give all of it to Terra. You would need to betray such an agreement which is a later vote.
>>5405203So Dorn got his as a gift?Well, is there anything equally shiny for Tal0S? Perhaps a metal devised by his own mind?Now's the best time to really put on a good display, doing it in an upgrade action later wouldn't have the same feel.
>>5405214Looking it up he did get it as a gift.From Praetorian of Dorn>Rogal Dorn stepped back to the table at the centre of the room and leant on it, eyes fixed on what lay on its surface. Golden armour lay on the black stone. Each section gleamed like the flicker of candle flames. Winged creatures, similar to those on the armoured giant who still stood at his shoulder, covered its plates. Kye could see talons picked out in silver. Red gems gleamed from eyes set above sharp beaks. Rogal Dorn looked at the armour for a long moment and then picked up a gauntlet. He turned it over in his hands. ‘Do you know what this is?’ asked Dorn, his eyes watching the light flow over the gauntlet. He looked at Kye, who shook his head.>‘It is a gift. A gift from a father to a lost son. It is also a symbol, of unity, of purpose, of change.’ He put the gauntlet down on the table exactly where it had been. ‘I am the son, and the father, whom I did not know until now, is the Master of all Mankind.’Question is, this was before Dorn even conquered his portion of the Galaxy. We have granted the Imperial/Mechanicum alliance a new sector.>>5405203Would it be out of the question that Tal0S might have asked Malcador if such a feat is worthy of a gift as Auramite? Dorn got his for free. . .
>>5405217Can probably be done. Again it will be at the cost of something else.
>>5405221Now's as good a time as any for the armor, doing it later might spoil the choice opportunity. What would the costs be? Or perhaps, what other things could we consider asking for instead of the armor?
>>5405232Probably that nanomacine shenanigans you fellows wanted.
>>5405237I'm pretty sure most of us would gladly exchange Auric Armor for Nanobodies. I suppose the main thing is trying to be as flashy as we possibly can for this specific moment.
>>5404932>>SupportEven without rain or gold armor I hope to see most of these things.
>>5405241I'm inclined to agree. I bet Auric Armor would be incredibly durable, but we can get durability with shield generators.Nanomachines just provide unparalleled technological interface and sets us apart from Rogal
>>5405203But can there be actual gold instead?I like shiny.
>>5405237I'll shill for nanomachines until my last breath.Screw auromite, it's for normies.
>>5405325Technically speaking, the Crons have superior Gold Armor. They once noted how even the best human gold is so incredibly impure and is so soft.
>>5405323I'd like to imagine the reason it's called "Incaendius" Contemptor dreadnought is because the sheer power of a propulsion system designed to let a dreadnought descend from orbit without a drop pod must be blindingly hot like white phosphor.Might not happen, but if it did and that's how we descend from the Particeps Semper to the Ground in blinding glory, would be amazing indeed.However he does it, I'm TalOS at his most spectacular will be very, very shiny.Also it's a good idea to get it at some point because it means if we ever try to pull off a Vulkan via emergency interstellar teleporter we hopefully won't burn up into a crisp like he did.
>>5405412I'm pretty sure we have just teleported in every time.
>>5405454Teleportation hardly has the same effect as descending from the sky wreathed in light and fire while the very heavens tremble no?
>>5405456It's the Lucius way.
The first to land upon the planet were the series of shuttles that were many times larger than the standard troop transport that the Mechanicum previously employed. Many who had heard of the coming arrival looked out to see the Knights of Dutonis walk out of their craft with banners displaying both their home and their allegiance high into the air. After the Knights arrived the Acillians and Astartes began to fan themselves out from the secondary transports. They easily took their positions across the ceremonial beach head as the people of Mars looked out in awe, anticipation, and fear. After all, few could deny the terrifying sight that twenty Knights stood before them in their full magnificence. Add what appeared to be an entire company of Astartes it quickly made those whose hearts were only in the speticle anxious. As the Knights took their position, so did those of the Mechanicum. Once word had been carried to the Knights of Mars did House Taranis come to meet the Knights of Dutonis. Upon the other side of the isle did these legendary Knights of Mars place themselves parallel to their foreign counterparts. Such was to the relief of the Martian people knowing that their own warriors protected them. At this moment the members of Legio Proelitor bring out their tidings. Just as the Knights, did they present to the people the banners of Lucius and its Federation. Looking upon it one could see the Federation Banner reminiscent of the Terran Federation’s Flag, but the banner was blackened like the adamantine metal that ran like blood through the system with a golden embroidery. With these banners did the Proelitor present to their spoils of war. Numerous artifacts from the dark age of humanity as well as numerous preserved Xenos corpses. Such corpses were those of high ranking xenos who the Federation both captured and tried, finding them guilty of harboring evil against humanity as a whole. As these tidings were dropped did a single final ship come down, this one larger than even the ships that brought the Knights. Slowly walking out of the ship was a Warlord Titan, painted in the blue and gold colors of the Legio Astorum to which it hailed from. As it blared its horn did the one who stood upon its chassis step forward and fall. Everyone wondered for a fact if he would somehow stop the descent, only for the person to slam upon the floor without injury. As TalOS DAV1S stood up once again the Primarch walked through both the procession and crowd that now welcomed him upon the Holy Red Planet.
As TalOS walked forward he heard the cheers of the crowd welcoming him to the red planet. While the appearance of the Knights belonging to Mars was something TalOS did not fully expect, the crowds were indeed something that he did. And it seemed for the most part they enjoyed the spectacle that he presented to them. After all it was both a demonstration of the power of Lucius, but it also showed the people what they had done. The Xenos was something of a recommendation by the Astartes, but TalOS had to admit it easily showed what TalOS was able to accomplish in his time as the Sanctus Dominus. His journey was to be by foot, giving each and every person that looked upon TalOS plenty of time to examine both his armor and the achievements that he was now carrying behind him. Numerous pieces of lost technology and even a few STCs to be presented to the Fabricator General as according to their vassalage to the Red planet. Such wealth of knowledge and accomplishments would surely be spoken about by both Serf and Priest. TalOS was about halfway towards the meeting place as the doors once again opened just as the Arch Dominus remembered before. Standing there in the hall was Kelbor Hal with a cohort of Secutarii flanking him. A little interesting seeing them here when they belonged to the Titan Legions. But this was likely to demonstrate the same power and ability that TalOS was wishing to show. A sign that he could call upon all sectors of the Mechanicum to reinforce himself. Soon TalOS ascended the steps to the Fabricator General’s Sanctum, the Secutarii each giving a bow as he passed them. A little odd but TalOS knew that the man was trying to oil TalOS up for a possible deal. TalOS gave his bow, as was accustomed to ritual, to the Fabricator General who looked over him. The Priest gave a bow back before turning himself about and giving a jester to follow him. TalOS could only comply with such a suggestion, walking into the sanctum. Soon the two of them were on a massive elevator that took them to the highest point in the city.
TalOS remembered the room during his first meeting with the Fabricator General. This was unique in that it was meant to awe the person instead of being a simple place for conversation. For normal men they would simply enjoy being so far up and being able to see everything. To feel like you were somewhat of a Lord over the realm was formulated by the fact that nothing compared to this structure within the surrounding horizon. For Priests and those not easily dazzled this was something of a statement. They would know that everything they saw was under the ownership of the Fabricator General and should be taken as a measurement of his personal power. A mighty show it was and something that TalOS had to give the parcel of respect to. He was the Lord of the Mechanicum, and while he did not commit to war like TalOS had he is the one who has maintained peace upon the Red Planet for a great many years. +Congratulations on your reconquest.+ Was the first thing that Kelbor Hal spoke as he faced TalOS, +Your conquest has stretched the Mechanicum’s influnce far above what it might have been. An entire sector to call ours.+ +I thank you for that honor.+ TalOS told the Fabricator General as he placed a tightened fist above his heart, +It was through the assistance of our fellow Forge Worlds that we were able to conquer so much space.+ The Fabricator General nodded as he heard those words, +As it should be. You have awoken the great slumbering that is within the Mechanicum. Ever since your leave the amount of exploratory fleets have doubled with many tryingSo it was going to start with Flattery, TalOS thought, that is indeed an attempt to bring TalOS to his side. But TalOS’s decision was already met, he just needed to see how he wanted to treat the Fabricator General. >Try and learn about him from the man himself *Schmoozing him*>Don’t give anything or do anything, this is a neutral exchange. >Make sure he knows who did the work ultimately.
Why did we shuttle down when Lucius most famous technology are its teleporters? Tal0S even created special versions for the Knights? Where was Particeps Semper?
>>5405559Gonna admit, could have teleported the Titan.
>>5405562...there was an entire post with very excellent ideas at least some of which seemed feasible and it feels like Tal0S decided to go just a regular mundane route onto the planet
>>5405565Well deal with it, I already wrote it.
Warp bad teleport dangerous. Don't use warp technology for leisure>>Make sure he knows who did the work ultimately.Oh we are going to POSTURE so hard here. My mechadendrites are LARGER
On another note, I happened to be listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdD4xAGsHts when I noticed there was a new update. It gave me an interesting atmosphere
>>5405575This is heresy against the gift of the Machine God and against Lucius itself. The entire Legio Astorum is designed to be teleported onto a planet and Terminators regularly do so. Teleportarium technology is relatively stable and Lucius are specialists. It also presumes T4L0S wouldnt be able to safely calculate that.If we arent able to teleport the Titan legion in peace, how much less during the chaos of war?
>>5405551>Try and learn about him from the man himself *Schmoozing him*just because we intend to reject his deal doesn't mean that we can't be nice.
>>5405581>schmoozingLet's not make outright enemies just yetHe hasn't made the offer yet, don't trust alpharius to much
>>5405551>Try and learn about him from the man himself. *Schmoozing him* As far as I can remember, the plan is to try to be friends with him.
>>5405551>Try and learn about him from the man himself *Schmoozing him*I still want the CoCK and Fag legitimatized, used and ecen expanded by the whole mechanicum.A proposal backed by both the Fabricator General and the Sanctus Dominus would pretty much win the martian senate with minimal pushback.
>>5405876Corrected some grammatical errors. Sanctus Dominus is singular.
>>5405876I support this most excellent retcon.
>>5405551>Try and learn about him from the man himself *Schmoozing him*
>>5405876This is really well made, good job. It definitely ramps up the flash. Hopefully QM doesn't mind. It's Warhammer 40k, there's always multiple ways events are perceived and how history remembers it. Even in setting.
>>5405876Ah yes, the age old saying of "fine, I'll do it myself".I liked it, the scion of the Legio Astorum made it's deserved appearance in the traditional manner, and all is well once again.
>>5405876Thank you anon. tbfh after just a recent string of...very terse rebuttals this was a good pick me up.
>>5405909Tal0S himself would have said the same and has done so many times. Just like at Xana. He would probably say something like that on the importance of initiative to his own sons.>If you want a task completed, perform it yourself ~ Colloquialisms Minor, Chapter 47
>>5405551>Try and learn about him from the man himself *Schmoozing him*It is what we came for
>>5405551>Try and learn about him from the man himself *Schmoozing him*Nanomachines sound like a lot of fun
>>5405905they are the exact same picture
>>5405876There's the bells and whistles & thunder and lightning promised. Twenty knights and a single warlord? Not even an Imperator? Not even PARTICEPS SEMPER? That doesn't do a "demonstration of the power of Lucius" and a victorious crusade army. The books give single knight houses a hundred or more knights and Dutonis is not the Federation's only knight world. Any of our brothers can arrive with banners, xeno pelts, some of them can land from great heights (like Fulgrim). Those are good, but they are frosting not the cake.Also nice touch that the Lucian Federation would only want to use the Lucius Pattern. Let Mars have their pretty Warlords, we are old-school and have no time for that nonsense. And older is literally better when it comes to 40k tech.What makes Tal0S and his legion special is what our other brothers cannot do. And that's teleport an entire fucking Titan Legion and his forces inside them.It's all about the presentation.
>>5405876Cool and corney, some might like the corn though. The corn is part of the reason I did not write things like the arc lightning. I'll admit its got more in it then what I did. I'll tell you all things have been rather rough this week with my work doing the final push for the financial year. I cannot really guarantee I got much energy to write really good shit. Good thing is once the FY2022 passes and I change bosses, half my work load is gonna drop. As for stuff like Horus Appearing and the Blackstone Fortress activating, those moments are normally planned far in advance so I got time to stew on it. Sorry but as I said before we will just need to deal with it. Once we get past this damn era into some time jumps we will get to things I have planned for. The first meeting with Magnus is gonna be fun~.
>>5405876Also, did not know you can upload PDFs instead of images. Pretty fucking cool I say.
>>5406051Posting PDFs is a common thing in /tg/, like sharing homebrew or tables.
>>5406050If we didn't want corn, we wouldn't play a wacky inventive genius primarch lol. We'd play something serious like Roboute or Rogal or Perturabo.Tbh QM I don't think most of us explicitly need you to write elaborative or good shit and nano's PDF definitely wouldn't fit in your usual one or two post updates. I think it's been said before but simple acknowledgement or just approval of some of the wild stuff we like is well and good. When we made that big huge list of mechanical improvements for the Acillians and Tal0S said "we need more machinery in our marines" that pretty much made everyone happy because we knew he would get it done. It doesn't take many words to do that.I can see when it comes to the Federal reorganization action and time skip, it could work the same way. Anon's agree on a big list of ideas, you let us know which parts of it work, and Tal0S stands in front of the senate and yells: "Okay guys here's my big plans"
>>5406078Anons did get incredibly happy just when they saw a volkite and a malcador just be mentioned, so you might be onto something.
>>5406078Good points, and I think Nano has more time to write his than I did with one lunch break. lol.
>>5406097Yeah I did have time. This was my day off and I woke up early cause I was all fired up.Scenes like Tal0S gloriously returning to Mars after a victory are once in the entire quest, and the sort of events we wait eagerly for. The first arrival to Mars seemed so sudden and fast but we were told it was because we were still new, a pilgrim looking to make his name. Now we have made our name, and we were definitely wanting to make the most outta this arrival.
>>5405551>Make sure he knows who did the work ultimately.
TalOS fained a smile as he spoke his next few words, +A magnificent empire the Mechanicum has turned out to be. I was only the one who tapped into it, it is yourself and the past Fabricator Generals who built what we have here today.+ +Indeed we were. The Mechanicum was built not just in this generation, but for the thousands of years before in which we’ve sent out the Ark Mechanicus to scout the stars.+ Spoke Hal gave with a moment of awe coming through the vox communicator, +What you accomplished is the compounding and building upon the shoulders of our masters. You know this personally I am sure.+ +I simply felt that the greatness that was the Terran Federation needed to be continued. It was the first great Empire of man, even in a reduced form its legacy should not be forgotten.+ TalOS answered to Hal, +It is beneath the Mechanicum though, as vassals we are bound to your will. A mighty empire you have built alongside my creator. I would like to review the records of the days before my arrival.+ +The records are upon the walls of this city, Arch Dominus.+ Declared the Fabricator General as he gestured towards the edges of the city, +There you will find entire pieces of wall replaced with the armor of Titans. The concentration of Iron is higher as well, for the blood of numerous Skitarii has fallen upon that soil.+ +So the legacy of Mars being a battle ground is true?+ TalOS asked as he wished for one of the recent witnesses to confirm. +Three Magos Domini raised armies when I assumed the rule of Fabricator General, together they came within my walls. I crushed them for the treasonous people that they were.+ Declared the Fabricator General as he looked towards TalOS, +Since then I have forced peace upon this world.+ TalOS gave a solemn nod as he decided to poke the man, +I have heard it was my Creator who caused such a status upon Mars.+ +Whoever has told you that is wrong. I have worked for a century to entangle each and every Forge to the throne, erasing heresy and chaining dissonance wherever I found it. By doing this Mars was united, and with the Omnissiah we have the perfect beings to march forward and take the Galaxy. Being like you.+
The Fabricator General looped around the room as he began to place power within his words, +The Primarchs and their sons are meant for expanding the borders of the Imperium. The expansion being at such a rate that even the Orks could claim to be faster. The Omnissiah made you for this duty, and you have proven his genetic engineering to be perfect.+ TalOS gave a small nod as he understood what the Fabricator General was trying to do. Just as TalOS was trying to smooth over him he was trying to smooth over TalOS. As to why they could not accept each other's attempts full heartedly was that the end result of this was not in their own personal interest. +I have seen you unlock the might of the Mechanicum, showing that we are equal to the Imperium even if it was for a short time. I do not see a reason to stop our expansion to the stars now.+ The Fabricator General walked to a screen and pointed towards the slowly built station within the sky, +From there we will build an armada, for your role as Fabricator Locum.+ A good try the Fabricator General pushed forward. He was likely feeling that TalOS was amenable, as he was trying to be friendly and he felt now was the time to put forward the hook. Though it was soon, too soon, if TalOS had said so himself. There was a logic to it, TalOS knew, he simply disagreed with it. +So you wish for me to lead an exploratory fleet?+ +At this moment there are many Exploratory Fleets that cover the stars. Many of them attached to the Imperials but many others by themselves amongst the stars. They need a strong leader at their head to maximize their efficiency. I feel, as a son of the Omnissiah, that this would be a great task that you would be perfect for.+ And there it was. This was exactly how Alpharius spoke of it, an attempt by the Fabricator General to claim the Primarch for his own armies. It was a dream TalOS had to see the stars and operate among them, managing the movements of both trade and his own people. But a decision was already made. +I understand your desire for my services, Fabricator General, but I must decline this.+ TalOS decreed as he made sure the Fabricator General understood what he meant by those words, +I am the Arch Dominus of Lucius and a leader within the Federation. If I leave now for other opportunities, it will shatter under its own weight. Thus I deny your request for reassignment.+ TalOS was met with silence as those words rang through the room in binaric. The firmness of authority within it as well as the will that held it up was undeniable. The Arch Dominus would not leave his post for opportunities elsewhere.
Kelbor Hal looked upon TalOS for a moment in study. TalOS could hear all the subtle clicks and clatters that now infested the mainframe of the Fabricator General of Mars. Ruler of the Mechanicum he was, he likely did not expect such a powerful rebuttal to be placed before him. A final click was heard as the Fabricator General spoke, +I understand the desire to assist your homeworld, even at the cost of the greater Mechanicum. There are many like you who wish to improve their own forges instead of the collective.+ +As would be expected.+ TalOS said as he allowed those words to ring true, +Know that my Soul belongs to the Machine God and his Domain. When the opportunities come I shall provide whatever assistance possible.+ +As an Liege should expect of their Vassal.+ Agreed the Fabricator General, those words ringing with a sense of power that TalOS yet heard, +When I call upon Lucius, shall the Legio Proelitor answer with the others?+ +They shall.+ +When the needs arrive I shall do so. For now though I congratulate you on your conquests TalOS DAV1S.+ Kelbor Hal said as his machines began to stiffen up, +I do not lie, following your example there shall be millions who march upon the stars in search of rich rock and lore. In your stead it will be my hand to guide them, but they will look to you as an example of excellence.+ The one who tamed Mars stood before TalOS, +Make it a good example.+ For a moment there TalOS wanted to believe the man whole heartedly, but something irked him at that moment. That there was one theme which was spoken before has come back. That to which a good example shall be met. That Lucius will Obey Mars. >Grant that guarantee>We obey the Machine God. >You shall have your tithe, but not our soul.
>>5406296>>You shall have your tithe, but not our soul.
>>5406296>We obey the Machine God.who's to say mars will always be following the will of the Machine god. We won't damn ourselves for mars.
>>5406296>Grant that guaranteeGive Hal a chance.We can convert him. I have faith in TalOS to save his soul, and turn him to the true Machine God. Or whomever he chooses to present as his avatar
>>5406296>We obey the Machine God
>>5406296>Mechanicum>We obey the Machine God
>>5406296>Grant that guaranteeThis is the steps we must take if we wish to turn Kelbor to us and not Horus. If we succeed, we have nothing to fear from what Mars commands.
>>5406296>We obey the Machine God.
>>5406296>Grant that guaranteeOne church. One Faith. One Machine God. I want to see Hal and Tal0S fight off Horus and the heretics together.
>>5406296>Grant that guarantee
>>5406296>Grant that guaranteeWe can all this way out here to win over Hal and secure Mars loyalty to the cause in effect. If we didn't plan to go all out, we should have just stayed home. If we secure Hal's friendship, guide him to despise the warp in the same way we do, Horus will need to find some other chump to rally the hereteks. Having worlds follow a loyalist Mars will be a boon.
>>5406296>We Obey the machine god.
>>5406296>>We obey the Machine God.
>>5406296>>We obey the Machine God.Much like Hebrew National hotdogs, we answer to a higher authority.
>>5406296>We obey the Machine God. Why is everybody suddenly wishing to support Mars? fuck those dudes, The MACHINE GOD is what matters not those who follow the false Omnissiah
>>5406931Because we want to wrench Mars from their worship of the false Omnissiah to the true Machine God. And because that's also what Kelbor Hal wants to do too because he doesn't think the Emperor is Omnissiah either. Together we can make it happen.
>>5406296>>Grant that guaranteeWe won't turn our backs when Mars needs us.
>>5406942yeah but it's also not our guarantee to grant. You would have to go to the fabricator general for that. Also these are the same fuckers who bombed lucuis because the became a treat to Mars's hegemony in canon.
>>5407010There are few in the Federation who will gainsay the savior of the Federation from reaffirming ancient oaths, and we can appease voices with the ample prosperity we will bring further. Also iirc that hasn't happened yet and our presence will likely help prevent the inculcate schism. This action prevents Mars from seeing us as a threat to their hegemony, while at the same time our refusal to go on exploration ensures we have a degree of control.With one hand we will keep a firm grasp on Lucius, and if we win over Kelbor Hal as our right hand man, prevent him from going to Chaos and help him to see our point of view and see us as indispensable to his powerbase (not Horus) it will pay off.
>>5407020 We are trusting an cauculist man to the point of bombing a world of his own faction out of a thirst for political power. This is the stupidest decision I see Tal0S making, it would be much simpler to kill this cretin and choose his sussesor. >After all, what is so precious about him?
>>5407035We are a calculating man, willing to perform what is necessary to ensure the survival of the Mechanicum, and like Horus we can provide political power to ensure our goals are met.Also Talos literally noted in character it would be impossible to kill him without resulting in obvious civil war. Else we would certainly consider it.What is so precious about him? He holds the keys of Mars and the souls of the most holiest of planets in his hands. He can either be the great enemy of the Mechanicum, like he was in canon, or the first loyalist Fabricator General who stood against Horus and the terrors of the warp. Those terrors of the warp we will inform him of, and guide him towards a love of the true machine god and his true miracles.Kelbor Hals story in canon ended in infamy. If there's a select few people in the whole Galaxy Talos can redeem to that of a hero, a martyr, let it be Hal. Is there any greater glory to have Mars stand loyal against the Warmaster?
>>5407058 QM said this would end in civil war, important difference. A man like him has made many enemies during his lifetime, we just have to find and empower them, after that we will kill his allies and place our pawn. Simple and Clean. In addition, we already have a man of our own inside Mars to guide us in our "clean-up" project. Seriously risking having our fate in the hands of a mortal because, maybe, he can have redemption sounds ridiculous. Seriously this is the most humiliating thing I've ever seen, and Angron exists.
>>5407061I'm of the belief that if a quick coup or even replacing him with a puppet were possible, Talos would have considered it an option but it appears more like the risks of civil war/Martian revolt are far too great even for him to consider, let alone how the Imperium and Emperor would react nor that he could even brook his name being attached to that. Talos has already acknowledged the risk of revolt.Believe you me if it were something we could do, I'd have backed it, but it doesn't seem to be in the cards.In any case, Talos is a risk taker. He's taken risks before, put his faith in the Machine God, and been rewarded such. He's just very good at hedging his bets and having absolute conviction in what he believes in.I don't consider this humiliating. This implies that we see some humiliation with Lucius giving heed to Mars. It isn't, because Talos isn't the Sanctus Dominus of Lucius alone. He's the Sanctus Dominius of the entire Mechanicum. He see's the bigger picture here. We have a chance here today to ensure unity across the entire Mechanicum, not just limited to the Federation, and Mars worth following not something that would be a thorn to our side. A Mars that lives up to its holy reputation, under a man we can mold as ally and friend and compatriot in our grander ambitions and schemes. Talos, like Alpharius, "takes the long view". We see the bigger picture. The redemption of Kelbor Hal is entwined with the redemption of Mars itself, to stand as a shining holy example of how Mars should be not what Mars currently is. And if we play our cards right, we will have a bastion of holiness, zeal and faith in the Machine God ready to stand against whatever chaos the ruinous powers intend to unleash. A true fanatic and believer in the Machine God would try to see the cradle of the faith redeemed, not written off.
>>5407087 In short, we will now be slaves in the name of the greater good, that might not come. I just hope that when the time does come you won't forget that we chose Lucius over Mars.
Fuck you>>5406312 - DESU this will count towards the Machine God since its kinda the same thought. We obey the Machine God>>5406313>>5406370>>5406390>>5406434>>5406578>>5406610>>5406849>>5406931Affirm the allegiance>>5406328>>5406416>>5406438>>5406442>>5406559>>5406576>>5406609>>5406858>>5406870>>5406965I believe, and since there was little discussion it will be easy to check, that we will be affirming the allegiance. Also, BIG TURN OUT hard to believe this is the vote to get it.
>>5407192Someone should probably check me, but this is ultimately a 10 to 9 decision. Very close, just how I like it.
TalOS thought to himself long and hard about the situation. Thoughts swirled as he processed to realize what should be his response. This was an obvious threat, but it could also be seen as a request. He needed to be careful with his wording for the Machine Spirits force a person to follow their oaths. Indeed a man can subvert them, but just like the Knights of Dutonis there is a forever subtle effect upon the minds of Tech Priests to follow the Rule of Conduct. Thus TalOS decided a clause should be issued with the declaration, +As you are the one who interprets the will of the Machine God, we shall follow. I do not wish Lucius to subvert Mars, but instead both to grow into the great tomorrow.+ If TalOS could feel tension in the room he was sure it would have vanished in that moment. The focus of Hal began to lesson and whatever mechanical processes were occuring within his mind. That request was one where if he failed, there would always be the chance of open war between the Federation and Mars. As TalOS was a Primarch, it was guaranteed that the Imperium would side with Lucius instead of the Red Planet. +Neither does Mars wish harm upon Lucius. It is one of the greatest jewels that sit within the crown of our Empire.+ Declared Kelbor Hal with the emotions of relief and thankfulness coming through the air, +The Tithe from Lucius shall be used to augment the Explorator Fleets that go out into the Stars, for the Legio Proelitor now exist.+ +I shall see what I can devote to the Mechanicum’s cause.+ Declared TalOS as he gave a cutrious bow. +Good, good.+ The Fabricator General said to himself as he gave a few nods, +As there is nothing else to talk about to you, I shall take my leave. If you wish to take me upon my offer, I shall grant it to you.+ TalOS gave a small nod as he understood those words. Previously there might have been a scheme, but this was being sent forward as a kind jester. It was a mighty fine one at that being able to assume the role of Fabricator Locum is something that TalOS cannot underestimate. +I thank you for the opportunity. When the tides change I will take it into consideration.+ Announced TalOS as he made his way towards the elevator.
With that meeting done TalOS left for his ship. Of course while he was upon the planet the Arch Dominus shared communications with Dux Dominus H3VST about the happens on Mars but the only thing that seemed major were the plans to create a series of shipyards that would encircle the entire planet. When the project is finished TalOS will look forward to seeing it. Lucius already has something similar but definitely not at the scale that the Martians were planning on. Looking over the planet now as he stood upon his Voidship he noticed the startings of the construction. One cannot deny the beauty of the Red Planet, and as TalOS looked upon it he noticed that the Martians have ingrained upon the surface itself the symbol of the cog. Such glory to the Machine God, TalOS thought. With that moment done TalOS tapped into the communication network of the Planet. Using the Noospheric link that sits upon the embassy TalOS began traveling through the numerous Networks that crossed through the planet via wires and vox communication. Just as any other time he traveled TalOS was marveled by the digital realm the Priests of Mars built for themselves. While it did not employ the Noospheric technology it far surpassed Lucius in the way of connectivity and sheer amount of knowledge stored within it. Ultimately it was something that TalOS will have Lucius aspire to be. As for the reason he was within this domain was that soon he finally made contact with it. It was a simple Data Djinn that he placed within the networks of Mars to learn what it could. Quickly it fed to TalOS what it had gathered, which overall did not show much. Two things were of even a modest note, those being that all of the Primarchs, minus himself, were to have ships built specifically for them. These ships were to have even the Primarchs themselves as designers to make sure that it was a perfect craft for them. The other thing he found was a simple embezzlement scheme happening in relation to resources allocated to the Crusade. The main reason why it was noted was that they were embezzling weapons from all parts of the Mechanicum. A few of these weapons TalOS specifically did not recognize. >Subvert the Embezzlement, maybe one of those weapons is worth it. >Expose them, subvertly, to increase the stability of the Red Planet. >Monitor them. Maybe they are one part of a greater whole.
>>5407319>>Monitor them. Maybe they are one part of a greater whole.
>>5407319>>Monitor them. Maybe they are one part of a greater whole.This is interesting, but I don't see it as any threat to Mars. And maybe we personally know who is behind this...
>>5407319>Monitor them. Maybe they are one part of a greater whole.
>>5407319>Monitor them. Maybe they are one part of a greater whole.Imagine being so poor you have to embezzel.
>those being that all of the Primarchs, minus himself, were to have ships built specifically for them>Minus HimselfMan, we don't even get to travel around the Blackstone Fortress that often. Dorn is gonna get his super fortress and a Gloriana. Alpharius gets two of them. And we have never confirmed if the Onus Probandi is or is not the size of Gloriana.Still, it makes sense the Imperium is going to pay for their Primarchs. We can take pride in being able to afford our own ship(s) and ensure they are bigger and fancier. The others will only ever have the funds alloted to them from Imperial Writ. We will have a whole subsector to build our shit.Maybe we can include a fancier flagship as part of the Federation action, because there's also major upgrades to the hull of the Blackstone Fortress to be done too.
>>5407319>Monitor them. Maybe they are one part of a greater whole.We need more information, because we need to find out the perpertrators.It could be Malcador and the Emperor pilfering away confiscated Eldari Xenarite tech for the webway.It could be Horus gathering materials for the planned Abyss class ships.It could even be Kelbor Hal himself.Gotta find out who, what, and why.
>>5407780>Daddy E gives his sons allowance>T4L0S the black sheep of the family has to work for his shit
>>5407919>Still ends up richer and more succesful than all his other brothers, despite having joined that weird cult>Always shows up with a fancier ride and flaunts his wealth outrageously
>>5407962>In addition to having parents who love and respect him.>And a lovely girl who will always be there for him. Mfw the cultist has everything to be the most mentally stable of the bunch.
>>5408001It's no longer a cult, it's a religion. TalOS is now living proof that fedoras are bad for your health, and Lorgar is just an idiot.
I imagine we'll have many projects on Lucius involving "keeping up with the Martians" (out doing them really).The knee jerk reaction here is to plan to have Lucius have its own Iron Ring.Or. . .What if we were to discover Port Maw and pool the resources of the Federation into turning it into a Megashipyard World even beyond what it became in 40k, a feat that resembles something the ancients of the Old Federation were to achieve? Instead of the output of a single world funneled into an Iron Ring, many different forge worlds can manufacture pre-fabricated parts and materials which are then shipped in bulk to Mega Port Maw.What do you guys think?
>>5408064I planned on making Giga Maw even before this.So you will have my support when the time comes.
>>5408064The Machine God wills this glorious plan.
>>5408064From such a magnificent planet and tribute to our digital lord, we may both upgrade the Blackstone Fortress and build our Flagship-Bigger-Than-All-My-Brother's-Flagships™
>>5408349Forgot me name. But yeah, I just realized that the mouth of Port Maw is likely big enough to fit the Blackstone Fortress around it. We can upgrade it more easily from there than even an Iron Ring.
don't worry about the size. We will build TWO flagships, because we command the... what was our legion again? It wasn't binary was it
Monitor>>5407391>>5407477>>5407538>>5407598>>5407743>>5407781>>5407851>>5408385It seems no one things men trafficking arms is a big deal. Shows you how 40k would look at such people.
>>5408427Its a god given right to traffic arms under the noise of the government.
>>5408427We would ourselves drop off a literal shipload of arms onto a planet if it suited our needs.But the more important thing is we're aware Malcador and the Emperor have their reasons for doing shady things and this could be them or any number of people we might do well enough leaving be. So we want more info.
>>5408427Kallamari can solve his own problems, we will only move if it's to our benefit.Maybe if he wanted for us to do the moral thing instead of the pragmatic one, he should have asked us to pledge to the faith instead of politics.This is not a jab at other anons, but at Kalbor Hal
It was such a minor thing, TalOS noted. The amount of arms was minimal and whatever the needs were for it was something TalOS decided was more important than either the arms, or the act in itself. So with a simple thought TalOS had the Data-Djinn continue its monitoring of their stations in order to find something about them. In the end it is a problem for Kelbor Hal and Mars as a whole, even if it is a possible problem. With that decision done the trip to earth began with a few hours journey. Though if someone was to ask TalOS what he thought of this trip he would praise it for the ease in which it provides. Rarely has he been able to go from one habitable world to another while not having to go into the Warp. A moment’s ease upon his mind. Finally TalOS was closer to the golden planet that he had seen from so far away. Already the amount that changed was drastic where he could count fifty additional cities dotting the surface now. With more time TalOS knew that these cities would converge upon one another to consume the desert surface of the planet. When that happens it will look closer to a Holy Hive City then anything else. Such was the glorious fate of Terra, to finally be reconquered by man after so many years of strife. As the void trip ended TalOS walked upon a shuttle and began to lower himself to the planet below. The planet of Terra was quickly getting larger and larger as he recognized the highest peak of the Imperium’s heart. It was the Himalayan Mountains, upon which the Imperial Palace and the Astronomicon both sat. Though as he did so he noticed the activity was quite a few ships in orbit that carried upon them the mark of the Xth Legion. It seemed that he was not the lone Primarch after all. His brother, Ferus Manus, was likely in orbit below him as he came close to the planet.
TalOS’s arrival did not have all the pomp and circumstance that he had last time. And indeed there was no need for such triflings when he was simply here on a visit to see UZ1 and converse with Malcador the Sigillite. Though he was a little saddened as he looked to see neither of them, but instead Custodes there to greet him. Though with only a moment’s glance TalOS realized that the one to meet him was not just a random member of the Hero’s Brotherhood. TalOS had taken the time to learn the customs of the Custodes, knowing how they etched upon their armor their names. The one who stood before him had a name that crossed across the armor in all manners and ways. Every detail painstakingly made to somehow fit such a glorious reputation upon it. TalOS was sure that even a Titan would struggle to make such things large enough to be seen when one sat at the God Machine’s feet. But TalOS could read it and understand it for his eyes were that of a Primarch’s. ‘Hercules’, ‘Superman’, ‘Gilgamesh’, these were names that he had inherited to demonstrate to those his deed that he had accomplished. The name that was officially recognized by most people of the Imperium was Constantin Valdor, Captain-General of the Custodes. “Arch Dominus TalOS DAV1S of Forgeworld Lucius, we here by extend to you the welcome from the Regent of Terra Malcador the Sigillite.” Declared the Custodian as he showed to TalOS the Imperial Aquila, “Your Brother, Ferrus Manus of Medusa will be giving his first Oath of Moment. Malcador the Sigillite has invited you to witness your Brother’s ascension to the complete status of Primarch with his Legion.” That, if TalOS remembered, was a tradition started by Horus where each Primarch’s Legion would swear to the Primarch, and in turn the Primarch would swear to their Legion their service to the Emperor. A momentous occasion indeed, and with a simple communication TalOS was informed that UZ1 was currently attending the event with Malcador. Now what was given to TalOS was an invitation to the event, it did not mean he needed to follow it. >Go witness Farrus Manus’s Ascension. >Explore the Imperial Palace>Talk to the Custodian to pass the time. He is quite ancient after all.
>>5408483>Go witness Farrus Manus’s Ascension
>>5408483>Go witness Farrus Manus’s Ascension.
>>5408482>the amount of armsI understood TalOS was talking about HIS ARMS lmao
>>5408483>>Go witness Farrus Manus’s Ascension.we must WITNESS and store the data
>>5408483>Go witness Ferrus Manus’s Ascension
>>5408483By the way QM what kind of ship class is Onus Probandi. My personal guess would be the Retribution Class Battleship
>>5408621I'd like to imagine Talos would have favored the Apocalypse Class.Range is King, and so are Lances. Targeting is a lot easier when your weapon travels at the speed of light.
>>5408483>Go witness Farrus Manus’s Ascension.Homemade family videos os an ancient terran tradition.
>>5408483>Go witness Farrus Manus’s Ascension.We obviously can't reject such an invitation offered by our good uncle to meet a Brother we are keen on seeing!Also I want to imagine:-Talos senses Valdor's shiny trinket on his belt glowing with Chronomantic Energies-Enhances optics to get a closer look and tries to reverse engineer it in his head-Get's an incredible headache as his Arae-Shrike floods his optics and auspex with obfuscation and junk data
>>5408483>Go witness Farrus Manus’s Ascension.What will Tal0S see when he gazes upon Ferrus Manus armsWill he hear the necron machine spirit within the necrodermis?Will he see how it is a machine metal beyond anything he's seen from mankind?Will the machine spirit sound like a small echo of the Dragon?
>>5408735Sure we would like it but I don't think that's what our capital ship is (the fortress doesn't count). My guess is because Retribution has the most fire power (excluding Gloriana or Apocalypse) but no hangers for fighters or bombers while being more common
Can someone help me find the name of this damn place. I know its something tower but I cannot find it on the wikis.
>>5409202 Is this place in the Imperial Palace?
>>5409202You need to describe which place it is, we can't read your mind. Because we killed the psykers that could
>>5409213Anyway, the two towers I could find are the Tower of Hegemon for the Custodes and the Tower of Heroes, but I think that one is post heresy
>>5409209HAHA! THANK YOU PERTY YOU MURDEROUS BASTARD! Its the Astarte Tower. Well, many of you know the event that occured there.
>>5409222Btw it was in the Perty Primarch Book where I heard it. And where I was listening to Horus Rising thinking it held the line of text I was looking for.
Oh, oh. Can Tal0S also walk those steps? Even if we will never ¿? oath as a Primarch... dunno, walking those steps looks like something our Primarch has to do
>>5409236Well, its an Oath of Moment which will be demonstrated to be a heavily [i[imperial[/b] tradition. Technically TalOS did one where he welcomed his Legion, but it ignored the swearing fealty to the Emperor[/b] part.
>>5409246Apparently my brain is busted and I could not do syntax. yay...
The journey to the location started with a shuttle commanded by the Custodes. While TalOS could have recommended the use of his own craft to travel to their destination, the prospect of using the Custode’s own machines was something that TalOS could not pass up on. The Shuttle, a Custodian pattern of a Thunder Hawk, was covered in the gold material that TalOS identified as Auric. Such a material was extremely rare upon the cosmos to the point where TalOS would need to struggle to get enough. But its value was beyond imagination as it provided to the wearer near perfect invincibility when it came to use. If a comparison was made TalOS understood that a thin layer of this metal would equal the armor that was born upon the Titans. Said Titans were all covered in Adamantine and yet this metal surpassed it. But TalOS understood as well the rarity of it, to the point where a single gram of the material would have been enough to start wars between Forge Worlds for sure. It was the Emperor who kept that from happening, dictating that all Auric that was found within both the Imperium and the Mechanicum be given to him in tithe. By doing this the Emperor caused the material to be severely devalued, for if one ratted out their fellow Priest for holding the material they would likely earn the good will of the ‘Omnissiah’. And ultimately men would be more truthful to their faith then their fellow man. As for the Custodians themselves they did not speak or whisper through radio frequencies. They did not dare approach the Steel Wardens whose black and red armor was stark against the gold that surrounded them. For a moment TalOS wondered as to the reason for their mutness. Was it because they were this stalwart at all times or was it because the Custodes saw them as foreigners. Most likely though TalOS felt it was the constant ire of Constantin that kept any chatter down. Ever watchful, few could tell that his eyes searched both the computer panel and shadow for some form of subterfuge. If TalOS was not someone who agreed with such paranoia, he would have been stricken with admiration. The Emperor should not have a man any less than Constantin to stand vigilant at his side. As these thoughts ran through the mind of TalOS his Machine Spirits announced their new geolocation to his brain. That they had arrived near one of the many summits belonging to their mountain range, one which had been sheared off for this very purpose.
TalOS took a few steps out of the vessel that carried them there and looked around at the numerous pieces of glacier that still dotted the landscape. It bore one of the remaining resources of water and was the vital lifeblood that actually allowed the Imperial Palace to stand where it was. Taking another moment he looked to see a massive trail which was fashioned from polished granite trailed around the mountain side towards the summit. With the eyes of the Primarch TalOS could see the summit of a marble tower sitting at the very top of it, at an elevation that TalOS felt was the original summit of the mountain in which they stood. “We will travel up the trail towards the Fields of Astartes, where we shall meet with the Lord Regent and your Apprentice.” Declared the Custodian as he walked before TalOS, “I ask all Astartes and Acillians with us to stay upon the stairs. There will be little chance we can recover your body if you were to meet such a fate.” As they began to walk TalOS could only think of the one time such an occurrence happened. Was it the menials who lost their lives building this exquisite piece of art, or was that warning a ritual from the time before even the Imperium. It proved to TalOS though that always carrying his amulet was a good decision, for the Warp would always take its chance to kill TalOS. What better way than to cause a perfectly adequate structure to break all of a sudden? To have one of TalOS’s own servants, or perhaps himself, to die upon the very planet their genome was born upon. The whim of fickle gods aside they ascended the stairs with good pace. It was likely out of respect that the Custodians did not run upon the stars but instead kept to a fast walking pace seen many times within an Adept’s workshop. Soon they arrived at what was a massive field sporting a massive tower. Upon the field stood thousands of Astartes each organized in their Legion ranks awaiting for the ceremony to start. TalOS studied each and every one of them with an inquisitive eye, noting how few of the Astartes were nervous or excited to see their Primarch. TalOS knew that his sons suffered from the God Machine, but these were but regular Astartes. He only had to think this for a moment as Constantin led TalOS to one of the few places those foreign to the Legion stood. A few humans of whom TalOS only recognized through Mar’s data records were there, but TalOS’s attention was taken up by both Malcador standing next to UZ1. The old man was the first to notice their approach, giving a small smile and a nod as UZ1 quickly noticed the Noopsheric signals that TalOS gave out to verify his credentials.
TalOS was the first to speak as he arrived, “UZ1, Uncle, I have arrived before the event from my understanding.” To his recent Title Malcador gave the smile of one who bore the title of Uncle, “You have. Ferrus Manus is preparing to advance upon the summit with a cohort of Custodians. When he arrives he shall ascend the Astartes Tower to make his first Oath of Moment before the Tenth Legion.” “It's so exciting!” UZ1 spoke out of turn due to her excitement, “Today we will witness a Ritual that will occur only nineteen times, and we will be the only members of the Mechanicum to witness it!” TalOS could not help but turn to the Sigillite as he heard that, “None of the cult have witnessed this before? Even Horus’s?” Malcador gave a solemn nod as he spoke, “Ultimately this event is a Private affair between Primarch and Legion. I stand here as proxy for the Emperor and you as my invited cohort. The Custodians have attended each of these, being those who educate the participants in their role during the proceedings. Those who stand at my left and right are Remembrancers who have documented each of the Primarch’s Ascension into their proper rule.” The man and woman both gave silent nods but did not dare to speak. Such a thing was understandable as they had to bear masks upon their mouths, but it was also because the pair did not dare speak out of turn.“Then as UZ1 is, I too am honored to witness this event as members of the Cult Mechanicus.” To those words Malcador's eyes narrowed to study TalOS a moment more, “Not as a brother?” >Well, indeed, as a Brother would be a better reason. >It is of the Cult, for ultimately I am a Priest of it. I cannot leave it for a moment. >>Some of you are gonna say, ‘Why not both?’, well that's because this makes it more interesting.
>>5409295>It is of the Cult, for ultimately I am a Priest of it. I cannot leave it for a moment.
>>5409291pic related made me remember I am yet to finish my dark eldar color scheme. I am up to 18 paints and I'll go even higher... I hope most of them have vallejo equivalents
>>5409295>>It is of the Cult, for ultimately I am a Priest of it. I cannot leave it for a moment.Cogboi fo' life yo.
>>5409295>Well, indeed, as a Brother would be a better reason.just because we are of the cult it doesn't mean that we can't just be there for a brother.
>>5409295>>Well, indeed, as a Brother would be a better reason.Just because we are of the mechanicum it doesn't mean we have to be a fag. Plus in character, there hasn't been that much of a shift where T4L0S is cold toward others (to the standards we are used to).
>>5409295>Well, indeed, as a Brother would be a better reason.
>>5409295>Well, indeed, as a Brother would be a better reason. It's not efficient to be rude for no reason, but our inner thoughts are another story.
>>5409295>It is of the Cult, for ultimately I am a Priest of it. I cannot leave it for a moment.The quest for knowledge is unending and though we do like being there for family our duty to the machine god is always present
>>5409295>Well, indeed, as a Brother would be a better reason.Remember the difference between us and Lorgar. We don't shove our faith down peoples throats. We let our faith attract on its own merits. And there are many.You seek the Machine God's secrets, they do not come you.
>>5409295>Cult over Bros
>>5409295>Bros over Cult
>>5409295>For our brotherFor the family, and UZ1 is here to represent the mechanicus
>>5409295>Well, indeed, as a Brother would be a better reason.Let's not be lorgar
>>5409295>Well, indeed, as a Brother would be a better reason.It is a sign of confidence in one's faith, that others will willingly turn to it by the example you set, not the the mandate you give. If Ferrus Manus is interested in learning, we will be happy to teach.
>>5409295>Well, indeed, as a Brother would be a better reason.lets be there for our bro
For the Cult>>5409301>>5409316>>5409354Brother>>5409317>>5409324>>5409327>>5409336>>5409437>>5409599>>5409614>>5409616>>5409675>>5409689>>5409731>>5409737I find it funny the longer this goes the more degenerated this entire vote becomes.
>>5410210If only someone had just posted liquid screaming brother at snake, we would have reached the peak.
“An odd question Uncle.” TalOS said as he gave a small chuckle to numerous thoughts that were within his mind, “But I would say that I am here to support my brother. I only have nineteen others, and each one a surely powerful leader in their own making.” “You think that for every one of your brothers?” The interest within the voice of Malcador could not be overstated. “They would need to prove me incorrect, that they are horrible in all forms of existence. Considering they were manufactured the chances of that occurring can only be seen as a manufacturing error.” TalOS said as he thought of the numerous Skitarii that were made within his manufactoriums, “I have a feeling that Ferrus Manus will not be a failed creation.” “It will be fate and calculation that results in what becomes of your brothers.” Declared Malcador as he looked out over the numerous Astartes, “It is hard to judge what will happen now, the future has become uncertain in the last few centuries.” The way the Sigillite spoke those words caught TalOS. He knew of Psykers and their ability to see the future, and he definitely knew the sheer power that Malcador held above his fellow kin from the drops of Navigation Blood he consumed. So what of the future was he blind to? Before a question could be asked there was a series of footsteps that seemed to reverberate across the open field. A unison order of steps that was carried through the wind to be heard over both the Astartes and the few spectators that were allowed to see the event. His mind and cogitators quickly recognized it as Auric and Adamantine, a unique combination that could only signal the arrival of his brother. Even as a Primarch TalOS found it hard to look over the thousands of Astartes that stood before him. It was only the change of audible steps from adamantine on granite to adamantine on marble that told TalOS that his brother was coming soon. That the man was facing the final, if painless, trial to claim the Legion as his own. Finally TalOS saw his brother, standing on top of the Marble Tower in black armor. On this day he wore battleplate that covered all but the Primarch’s face, letting their legion look at the face that was perpetually scowing at all that saw it. TalOS had seen such faces, covered in scorched wrinkles and wear, on men who experienced the numerous brutal chemicals of manufacturing but did not run away when the worst came at them. But that was not what TalOS noticed most of the man. His armor was fashioned in an odd manner to allow his real arms and hands to be exposed to the outside world. And what TalOS saw there was a pair of hands that while obviously organic in structure were made of pure metal.
Ferrus Manus looked upon his Legion with that scow that would never leave his face. It was the kind of face that looked to be measuring his men for every drop of blood, sweat, and metal they were made of. It reminded TalOS of what a Priests looked like when performing a scan of their numerous lasguns for shipping to the front lines. Such a thing TalOS did as well, but to what means did he do his measurements. Was it the literal form of it to study the power of every Astartes that was among him? Was it perhaps the achievements that he saw that gleaned whether they could be compatible or not? Maybe, just maybe, he was simply seeing if he liked seeing them. The last thing was something that TalOS would never commit to, but he was sure his brother Leman Russ did that very thing himself. There were scant records of what the Primarch did before his ascension. As his brothers had before he fought alongside the Emperor but there was no remembrancer that had fallen in love with his tale. He also lacked the database that TalOS was attached to, meaning that almost every movement outside of his personal sanctums were recorded for potential review. It was simple that the man had yet to make a name for himself. As TalOS thought of all this he could see, at the base of the tower, two Astartes walking out of the crowd. Looking at their armor and referencing the analogs he quickly knew them as the Legion Master and his right hand. They scaled upon either side of the tower and met their Primarch. In that moment the entire legion behind them kneeled just like how the 2nd Legion did with TalOS. TalOS watched as a boltgun, likely the Legion Master’s, being presented to their Primarch. In that same motion the words of the Legion Master were made loud and clear for all to hear, “Do you, Ferrus Manus, accept your role in this? Do you promise to lead your men into the zone of war, and conduct them to glory, no matter the ferocity or ingenuity of the foe?” As those words were spoken Ferrus Manus placed upon the Boltgun his metal hands. As if swearing upon the cog the rite continued, “Do you swear to lead the Legion to heights of glory never before seen, no matter what horrors are contained in the galaxy? Do you pledge to honor the Tenth Legion and serve the Emperor?” Without a second’s thought the man spoke the oath, “On this oath, and by this weapon, do I swear.” With those words TalOS watched as the Legion Master’s right hand, likely either his enquiry or the 1st company captain, wrote out a script that was soon mounted upon the battleplate of Ferrus Manus. Once he was finished both of them joined their brothers in the bow that they gave their Primarch. Now he had sworn his oath, it was their turn.
Ferrus Manus spoke in a harsh guttural tone that was not pleasant upon any ears that heard it. It was just as TalOS expected, each syllable showed the damage was done to the man’s flesh in his younger years. It was obvious wherever he stayed the Primarch did not have the luxury of safe atmospheric controlled chambers that even the menials of Lucius could afford. “Do you, the Second Legion, accept your new role!?” He barked out with the power of a titan, “Do you promise to follow me into the zone of war, no matter the ferocity or ingenuity of the enemy?” As those words were spoken TalOS began to witness upon the vitals of the nearby Astartes the sudden change within them. That each of their hearts had an error when the body was recognizing the Father’s voice calling out to them. “Do you swear to serve under my name, to crush any creature that dares dread upon mankind!? Do you pledge to this, Tenth Legion, to both me and the Emperor of Mankind!?” In unison TalOS heard a roar of responses. The roar was of so much variety as each and every Astartes spoke as if they were personally being spoken to. Thus they gave to their Gana Father a unique response that could only come from a connection deeply ingrained in their very beings. As the shouts calmed down the Primarch spoke again, “Good, we begin immediately.” And thus Ferrus Manus ascended to become Primarch of the Xth Legion. >Go see the brother! Give him honor and regards. >Leave the area with Malcador and UZ1. >Study them all more, this moment could glean more information about Space Marine Physiology. >Other, go ahead and write something in.
>>5410331>>the Second Legionthat's the tenth right>>Go see the brother! Give him honor and regards.Shit... we dont' have anything nice to gift him!!! Quick.... uh... Rip one of your arms off!! No no, UZ1, hand over your eyes quickly. Yes that'll do it
>>5410331>Go see the brother! Give him honor and regards.
>>5410325Talos is so proud of his mass produced Skitarii. Can't wait for the day we really ramp up the human population boost and make even more Tech Thralls.>>5410329Oh good, remembrancers exist. Make a not when we recreated the Federation Holly Wood Planet to mass produce propaganda. We can get a head start.There are so many things we can do with Ferrus or his Legion right now, but we should focus on Ferrus and leave a good impression. We aren't the same Charismatic man as Fulgrim will be, but perhaps like vulkan, we can at least share some similar interest and genuine well meaning freindship.Maybe we can forge something in the bowels of Terra's volcanos together.
>>5410331>Go see the brother! Give him honor and regards. We must make something with our brother in the future.
>>5410349GOD DAMN IT!!!Ugh, replace it with Tenth, thank you very much.
>>5410349 Dude Mars is five minutes away, it would be possible to build a worthy gift for him if we wanted to. I think a necklace with a protective shield would be pretty cool.
>>5410331>Go see the brother! Give him honor and regards.Metal arms
I very much don't want to waste the opportunity for a write-in, although I will say I agree with the fall into the "go see the brother" option. It's more that we can use it to add some cool flavor things we may agree on, like maybe Ferrus and Talos forging a weapon together in bonding.It's a big opportunity. At the same time, I realize QM adhere's (very faithfully and appreciated) to an update a day and has mentioned he's an employed person whose time is limited, asking him to to write a big huge novel isn't quite fair either.So I think what I will attempt to do is lay simple points, show my reasoning, write out something fluffy in a doc or PDF. which parts you guys like and QM will allow. Leave it open ended, still allow QM to insert any other narratives he wants to include. i.e. "Talos and Ferrus spend a jolly good time forging weapons, and then this happpens: (QM inserts part)" Tried to do research into Ferrus mentality. He's not the only tech primarch, "what makes him different? How would Talos be different? If Talos were to try and befriend him and at least have some level of Empathy, how would might he do so" I thought to myself.This book is particularly enlightening. it delves deeper into Ferrus Manus thoughts than many other books, particularly in how he reacts to other primarchs besides Fulgrim. There's an Exodite Planet that Vulkan, Ferrus and Mortarion have to conquer and destroy the Eldar Psychic nodes. Summary of the books key plot elements. It does contain spoilers for those who want to read it themselves:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SbpFYocadIRpv5AnQWw1U1doKUmR_B0DolKxtdPwqhs/edit?usp=sharingMore thoughts next post:
>>5410690Some personal thoughts/opinions>Things of Talos Ferrus may like-Ferrus appreciates those who were good to him, and remembers those who are assholes. Talos being good to him won't be unnoticed-Ferrus wants to fulfill the Emperor's plan. Marines are weapons and Primarchs conquerors. We have proven ourselves a conqueror and an effective tool.-He appreciates the gifts of others>Things of Talos Ferrus may not like-We ourselves aren't much of a warrior. We let a knight kill an Ork for us. We're more a commander type, like Roboute. He is a warrior King who was slaying giants and wyrms, and Fulgrim tries to fight at every opportunity.-Ferrus likely buys into Imperial Truth, we are not of the Imperial Truth. But then, neither was Vulkan-Artisans, Diplomats, Scholars have no interest to him. We do see our sons as scientists and engineers with peace time use. Though, honestly, our science is mostly directed to increased war production>Other/Tangent-He wants recognition from his Father, the Emperor. Talos who doesn't really need much recognition from Emperor (similar to Vulkan).-Ferrus, like Fulgrim, seeks perfection. first through force will, second through grace and skill. Or as an author put it "Fulgrim would scale a mountain faster than anyone, Ferrus would try to destroy the mountain". I want to think Talos leans more towards Ferrus view, but force of mind instead of force of will. He would craft a tool or use his intellect to destroy the mountain-I believe Ferrus embraces "The Flesh is Weak" at face value, at least right now. He says this in his thoughts to draw strength. Some of you may remember the quote where he laments his legion going too far, but that happened late war just before Horus was War Master. I believe we will not draw his ire even internally in case he asks why we did so much augmentation or sees what we did to our body to make ourselves better weapons. In the very least, I doubt he would ever say his concerns on overuse of mechanics to anyone, even his brothers.*Supporting above, Punishment by death is considered for one who "rejects the Iron Creed". Ferrus comments on Bion who nearly died to complete a mission through removing his bionics to penetrate an eldar psychic storm. "You really should still punish him for it" but obviously Bion was still regarded as a hero and promoted for bravery.Ferrus commands Auxilia in Iron Feat not to set up hospital and keep up with the legion, despite that the wounded will die. "Damn the army" he says, although later he did honor the veteran mortals who sacrificed themselves.-There is similarity between Perty and Ferrus being cold, but I'd say Perty is more vindictive and cruel especially to his own men, while Ferrus shows more pride in his men. Perturabo has no love for Olympia, Ferrus considers himself Medusan.I'm sure QM already has a very good way to differentiate Ferrus and Talos, though I just wanted to state my thoughts on it.
>>5410331>Go see the brother! Give him honor and regards.>Other ideas (if appropriate):>Go craft some weapons with him on a Forge/Volcano in Terra. Not as legendary as the crafting of Forge Breaker, but similar >Ferrus shows off the resistance of his Iron Hands to heat, Talos realizes his own alloy can't compete. Deploys a new device he has been tinkering on since meeting Russ: Hellfrost Coolant system>Talos admits that he likes being called "The Dragon" as a name given to him by Russ. It fits him well, a mighty creature layered in metal scales, turning his foes to ash, and amassing treasures to his hoard. It seems all the Primarchs are getting nicknames, and Talos is sure someone else will find a good one for him.>Iron Hands and Legio Proelitor offscreen engage friendly contests that will be tradition, the "Iron Duels". Testing bionics in fight arenas, having vehicular tests, weapons displays, pitting their best automata in feats of engineering. >B33R to follow (of course)Basically a bunch of nerds having fun, except the nerds are 6-7 foot tall cyborg supersoldiers who also punch each other to a pulp and then drink loads of alcohol afterward.We will never be as good a friend or as close to Ferrus as Fulgrim, there will be differences, but I'd like to think we could at least achieve Vulkan levels of friendship and brotherhood. Also a shared tradition any time our legions meet is very fun. Kinda like when Space Wolves and Dark Angels meet they have to get champions to beat each other up, except this is friendly fun and not over a fued.I'll try and write up something fluffy if that's okay.tl;dr shooting guns and sharing beer, is there anything more universally brotherly than that?
>>5410796>>SupportGodspeed you mad bastard
>>5410796 Nano you have my support you crazy motherfucker.I would like to change my vote from: >>5410571To:>>5410796
>>5410796From what I remember the iron hands aren't really into augments right now that came later as a way to be better and emulate their primarch so the comparing biotics part doesn't work right now (we'llprobablyhave to wait a centuryor something)
>>5410796Here it is!>>5411074Maybe so. Though, part of me thinks they might still have had some genetic tendencies towards bionics even before meeting their primarch. They did work in close cooperation with the Legio Cybernetica prior to meeting Ferus.Still, if that's the case, I'd just cut out the parts of shared augmentation in case its too early.
>>5410796>>5411127>Supporting thisVery nice, it still leaves lots of room for QM to do any stuff he has planned too.
>>5410690Fanfiction of my work, huh.
Anyways, meeting brother has won pretty hand over fist.
>>5411179*Ba-Dum Tiss ~~*
With those words the event came to an end with everyone upon the plaza trying to find their way off of the mountain. The purpose of the Primarch’s last words were clear in that the tenth legion is soon to start making war. To delay such an event would betray the very character of their Primarch. “Come, our presence is no longer needed here.” Declared Malcador as he began walking towards the path that TalOS took just a little bit ago. “I will be a moment behind.” TalOS announced as he caught a glance of his brother now descending the marble tower and soon to arrive upon the floor with everyone else, “I need to make an introduction.” TalOS did not wait for Malcador to give a word of authorization or something similar, for after all the Primarch was here to support his brother. The advance of TalOS and his Steel Wardens were quickly noticed from the numerous Astartes who had covered the battlefield. Each of them trying to figure out what exactly TalOS was as he got closer and closer to his brother. The two Astartes who were at his side as well as the numerous Company Captains who were coming up to meet their Primarch seemed deeply confused by the presence of TalOS. TalOS could not blame them. TalOS was not like his brothers in that they knew instinctively that he was a Primarch. But the Steel Wardens who flanked him gave many of those more wise hints as to his identity, but many others seemed ready to block his advance. It was Ferrus Manus though that noticed his advance sooner than any other. This chemical burnt skin looking at TalOS with a firm inspection that was given to his own Legion. A moment later the Primarch broke through the line of Captains that had formed up and made his own walk towards his brother. The two were face to face at that moment, looking at each other. So close they were that TalOS could start to identify the numerous bruises and scratches that were borne, many of them TalOS quickly identifying to have come from Sulphuric Acid and burns from an ever hot planet. A life that before his discovery was spent trying its damndest to survive upon a deathworld that wished for his death at every second. In that moment TalOS wondered what Ferrus Manus saw him as? Did he see him as the one who was raised away from the terrors of Old Night, or a creature that was barely even human? TalOS was no fool as he knew many mortal men would be frightened at what he was. It did not matter as TalOS raised his hand towards him, “It is a pleasure to finally meet you, Primarch Ferrus Manus. I am Arch Dominus TalOS DAV1S of Forge World Lucius, and your brother.”
As TalOS spoke his name there was no sudden moment of realization that dawned upon the face of Farrus. However he did not change to look more conspicuously at him. No instead the man’s face did not even change a moment. At this moment TalOS realized that he simply always looked grumpy as the wear and tear of his planet reached far deeper than just the layer of skin that TalOS saw. To simplify for any Magos or Adept who needed to understand TalOS’s accounts, he was perpetually grumpy. “Primarch Ferrus Manus, Deathworld Medusa.” Declared the Primarch as he encased TalOS’s metal hands with his own. In that moment the two of them shook hands in a moment of mutual welcome. Indeed the man seemed to be of few words but his grip was firm and he seemed knowledgeable enough of Federation Traditions when two men of equal standing were to meet. Just as it started the two released the other, TalOS quickly noticed how powerful those metal hands of Ferrus Manus truly were. One cannot understate the strength that was held within them and whatever metal they were made from might even be stronger than the starforged adamantine that covered TalOS’s body. A fearful aspect, but one that gave TalOS heavy amounts of interest. “Another brother joining our Creator’s crusade for the stars.” TalOS announced with a small bit of showmanship within his voice, “Have you met our fellow Brothers?” “I have met both Horus and Leman Russ.” Declared the Primarch with the roughness that forever plagued him, “And now I have met you. You serve the Mechanicum and not our Father?” “I do.” TalOS admitted without issue as he placed a hand on a crest of the Mechanicum that was blazen upon his armor, “But while we may be of two differentEmpires it does not stop us from being Brothers.” “It does not.” Answered the man with metal hands as he began to walk, “We are wasting time standing here. We got to my shuttle.” “Indeed we are brother, you need to start walking towards your legacy.” And with that the two of them left the plaza together with their closest men into the shuttle manned by the Custodians. There was little talk as they walked the path to the vessel and were lifted off towards the mustering grounds near the Imperial Palace.
Once again TalOS was welcomed with the exquisite work of the Custodian's Artisans. TalOS could recognize a few patterns that were made by Mars but much of it was made by hands unknown to TalOS. Like the Mechanicus the Custodians had their own secrets that they were keeping secret. As the ship began to lift TalOS watched as Ferrus Manus ran a hand across one of the numerous pieces of architecture that were infused in the vehicle. It was then, for a moment, that TalOS realized that the man was admiring the work of art. “Do the wonders of the Custodian Guard make you think as well brother?” TalOS asked as he finally found a piece of conversation that the two could have. Ferrus looked upon him with the same grumpy expression, “It does. Looking at the style it appears to have been made with an etching tool of some kind. Each side of the craft was made from a single solid sheet of Auric to which a man had to tame it for use in this craft.” “It is a reasonable use of one’s time.” TalOS declared with the words of an expert, “By making it from one sheet they increase the strength of the metal. As for the Auric, I suspect it is not pure.” “It is not.” Declared the other Primarch as he gestured at the symbols that coated the wall, “This interior was weakened to reduce spalling. If it was as strong as a Custodian’s armor, it would otherwise risk piercing their battleplate every time it was hit with heavy ordinance.” “So you are a crafter of arms and armaments?” TalOS asked his brother with a moment’s curiosity. “I am a craftsman of handheld weapons when on Medusa. I have not had experience with anything that cannot be hand held but I plan to remedy that soon.” Ambition laced the voice of Ferrus Manus as a goal was already set within his mind. >’Then why don’t I help you with that, brother.’>He has experience with personal weapons, well, lets see how well this brother works at it. >Ferrus Manus appears to already be moving towards going to war. We will not delay him that much *Give topics to discuss with him instead.
>>5411271>’Then why don’t I help you with that, brother.’
>>5411177Any time there's opportunity, you damn bet I will. Until the day something interests you enough to make it real.
>>5411271>’Then why don’t I help you with that, brother.’>He has experience with personal weapons, well, lets see how well this brother works at it.
>>5411271>’Then why don’t I help you with that, brother.’He spent 3 months forging for fun with Fulgrim, he can spend a few hours/days of conversation and offering of weapons design.
>>5411280Not both. Its either the vehicle or the personal weapons.
>>5411271>’Then why don’t I help you with that, brother.’Finally, another crafter autist to bond with
>>5411271>>’Then why don’t I help you with that, brother.’Suggestion: Why don't we make an atomantic weapon together? (we make something like an Atomantic pulse pistol, but BIGGER (Automantic pulse cannon?))Source: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Atomantic_Pulse_Pistol
>>5411299Fuck yes, but it appears that we are teaching him how to craft large scale weapons. But I would love to make some fancy weapons.
>>5411307>but it appears that we are teaching him how to craft large scale weapons.Aaah, then we simply ask him what kind of weapons he would like to build, while we ask him if he has any interesting/good handheld weapons we might want to scale up (like the Atomantic Pulse Pistol, which is powerful enough to pierce tanks... in a pistol form, just imagine its potential power if it were BIGGER!) Fun Fact: I have no idea when this weapon was first conceived about, but it sounds fairly close to what an Atom Laser would be, if we found a way of both weaponising it and changing its ammo/atom use (Current ones use Strontium atoms in a BEC form, which is then commonly pulsed since maintaining its cohesion for a long period of time is difficult. All of this ligning up fairly well with its name.)
>>5410796Servitor wrestling? That was an idea from threaad two!!
>>5411271>He has experience with personal weapons, well, lets see how well this brother works at it.
>>5411271>>’Then why don’t I help you with that, brother.’The brother will get grumpy-er when T4L0S goes "REEEE NOOO YOU CAN'T DEVIATE FROM THE STC PATTERN NOOO YOU CAN'T JUST DO THAT NOOO YOU MUST ADHERE"
>>5411346There's probably a hundred great and fun ideas from anons all across the threads. We're just waiting for the opportunity to do them all. Or half. Or at least some.>>5411352When the hell has TalOS ever been an STC purist LOL. The Machine God inspires him to modify and innovate!
>>5411379I think he adheres to the protocols and is so awesome he can cook up DA SHIT anyway
>>5411177Getting art and stories are a good sign for any quest QM. Your players love Tal0S just that much they want to see more.
>>5411386That or it's more Mechanicus doublespeak.>No AI's or Silica Anima! But if the hardware is human brain that's okay. Also using Xeno brains are okay>No non-STC technology! But using STC parts to kitbash or changing everything but a single bolt is fine. Or just adding "rediscovered" patterns to the STC is fine. Or getting it approved by the Fabricator General.>No clones! But building 100 Gestational Chambers and/or Surrogate Womb for In-Vitro is fine.
>’Then why don’t I help you with that, brother.’
>>5411352Which pattern does the spear we made for Alpharius adhere to?
>>5411623Guardian Spear and a compact Lascannon. But he found a new spear iirc.
I would say that TalOS is a moderate conservative with an unorthodox streak.He respects and follows STC because there are good reasons to not deviate, but is willing to experiment and adopt new technology as long as it's properly tested and explained.He refuses xenotech, but is willing to use xeno materials to know how to fight against them, or create the psy-candles.He is also willing to improvise on the spot as long as it is a divine inspiration, like we did with the gellar field or the runes the Void Dragon gave us, but even them he still wants to apply the knowledge of the ancients, like complementing his knowledge and working on top of Saint Gelkar's work or the electro-priest instead of experimenting purely on his own.So I would that TalOS would tell Ferrus to follow the instructions for now since he is learning, but note down any ideas on improvements so they can be properly tested on prototypes later.
>>5411660He has a giant blackstone fortress I dont think you can truly say he refuses xenotech unless we have him drink his own kool aid to believe it really was built by humans. But I'd like to think hes smart enough to know to just take small reasonable sips of kool aid and not chug it down like Lorgar.That being said I dont know where the idea is coming from where TalOS is an STC-only purist because he's definitely been very liberal with the application of STC based tech.
>>5411666Aye, he isn't against innovation at all, just slow and carefully examined before approved.
>>5411666 satan trips>That being said I dont know where the idea is coming from where TalOS is an STC-only purist because he's definitely been very liberal with the application of STC based tech.I was just exaggerating :( maybe Ferrus comes to dislike T4L0S way of doing stuff or maybe not. He was a technobarbarian before arriving to Terra, so he might be bothered by all the litany and incences.>"Alright brother, we will begin by studying something that has been used extensively, the Lascannon">"Go on brother">"First, we light this incense..."
>>5411666For what we see of TalOS introspection or dialogues, he seems to think that the fortress and blackstone itself, just like the runes, were made by the machine god and are a part of the physical rules of the universe, that humans previously found and studied.I look forward for when he finds out about necrons and the c'tan, it probably would shake his entire faith.
>>5411681I need to look up the exact quotation. But theoretically he may be more nuanced and realize "the machine god acted through these xenos" perhaps.There are some xenarites who view Necrons as the Machine Gods Angel's.
>>5411678>>5411681Ferrus belief in the Imperial Truth now that I think about it is. . .debatable. He did fight Asinroth the Wyrm in the Shadow Lands a place full of "black obelisks" that drove men mad and summoned ghosts and specters which is exactly what happened at the Pharos and other Necron tales. While he did at first rebuff the Eldar sorcery, he did accept at face value that the creature they summoned to fight him was Asinroth "returned from the underworld". Still I'm inclined to think he takes the Emperor at his word because he is utterly devoted to the Emperor.In any case we aren't the only Primarch to have some superstitious tendencies. Vulkan's promethean cult had their own rituals and rites too, even if they believed in no gods but the spirit of man. And Ferrus thought well of Vulkan. So I think as long as we don't try and shove the message down his throat like Lorgar but say "this is how my people do it" like Vulkan, we will do well. He'll still be his grumpy self as always though, but that's Ferrus.Also I'm of the belief that in the lowest of ranks the rites and rituals of techpriests lean a bit more towards the placebo side (though, faith still has power), but the higher up you go the more practical and legitimately useful the rituals and materials are. The canticles and chants become actual anti-viral verbal codes, the incense a form of electrostatic insulator protection, and so on.
“Then why don’t I help you in that endeavor, brother.” TalOS said openly as he allowed a phantom of a smile to etch across the never changing mask he wore, “There are many techniques and rituals that the Mechanicum holds that I can teach you.” To the words spoken TalOS finally got a firm nod from his brother, “I will take your tutelage. We will have one week before the fleet leaves. Do you believe it's enough time to modify one of the vessels?” “You wish to go straight into the craft of Void Ships?” “Transportation will be important. If we cannot deliver the Astartes upon a planet then any campaign planned will have a weakness I cannot allow.” Announced the man with such a deep certainty that it could only come from a deep seated belief, “I will not allow the Tenth to be found weak in the void.” TalOS could not help but feel a moment’s excitement, “There is much to learn then. A week to learn though will be tight, I will only be able to demonstrate Rituals that are of the highest importance. Those, such as entering and leaving the Warp, are the most vital for a crew to survive.” “Good.” Barked the man whose hands were made of metal, “There is a Battle Cruiser that I will be using as my flagship until I understand void combat. We will be using that for the lessons.” “Very Good.” Declared TalOS as he quickly pulled the diagrams of the very ship in question, “There is a shipyard close to it due east. They are known as Xinsan’s Rise.” “Custodian.” Ferrus barked towards the driver of the vehicle, “Take us directly there. This is more pressing than any meeting that Malcador would want me for.” “Understood Primarch Ferrus Manus.” The Custodian confirmed the command as the shuttle filled with Astarte Captains quickly deviated towards eastern deserts. As he did so, TalOS went ahead and told the Mechanicus Priests onboard the ship to prepare a welcome as well as all the tools needed for large scale shipcraft. It was nice though for TalOS glanced over to see his brother’s rough features change somewhat. It was likely anticipation, the desire for learning just like TalOS had was now rocking through his person without error or containment.
Almost all Imperial ships these days were built by the Mechanicum. An agreement that bound both the Imperium and the Mechanicum came with the stipulations that the Mechanicum would give the Emperor his warships, while the Emperor would give the Mechanicum passage to the great depths of space. Because of this agreement both sides began to specialize in their tasks. The Imperium, with armies of men and demi-gods, was specializing in the tactics and waging of war. Far past was the time where the Mechanicum and the burgeoning Imperium both held equal military might. That did not mean the Mechanicum was weak, for their forges were what fueled this ever expanding empire into the realm of space. If blows did come, the advantage the Imperium had would quickly be shrinked as the forges while fueling their empire was put towards destroying it. A killing blow would be needed then, something many would argue cannot be made. The Imperium now still had some of the abilities to build their ships, these always from the time of the Unification War where the Golden Desert planet was likely to fight with the Priesthood of Mars. Few were meant to build, but modify these days as only the Custodians wished to keep themselves off the industrial might of the Mechanicum. At one of these modification harbors did two Primarch work. Boots magnetized to the metal below them their heads were currently pointed towards Humanity’s cradle without much worry. Zero Gravity was both a boon and a bust when it came to ship making, for it allowed such impossible angles of work but also presented hundreds of different fears. The Astartes though were confident in their battleplate. “The sensory relay is the most important part of the ship.” TalOS fed into the vox communicator this line. It was inefficient to keep talking when there was no atmosphere between them so simple radio communication was made, “It is your eyes and ears. If its Machine Spirit were to be harmed or untamed then it will become the greatest enemy you have ever faced.” +Then it will need to be redundant.” Declared Ferrus Manus as he looked upon the small device, “And those currently equipped can have a layer of armor on them.” “Hmm, extra armor could work but do keep in mind that the Machine Spirit will lose its sight if too much is placed upon it.” “It will do. It is better to avoid being blinded than to have it dulled.” Declared the Primarch of the Tenth.
TalOS gave his nod of understanding to those words, “Then your Legion to keep their attention towards the Machine Spirit. It will try and work, but putting so much weight upon its spirit might cause it to falter.” “Maintenance will not be a problem.” Barked Ferrus, “If my Legion cannot maintain their own ships then it will be a failure.” “Then you are suggesting that your Astartes learn the Rituals and Rights?” “I do. If there is a time where we have lost a battle and cannot recover within a week’s time it will be a great failure on both us and the Imperium. The enemy will only get more ground if we let them have it.” “So you plan to keep them down through attrition?” TalOS asked his brother with a hint of curiosity. “I do.” Ferrus Manus answered swiftly, “There is more work then we can do this week on this ship. The armor is too thin, the guns weak, and there are too many points where it can fail.” “It is something to be expected of a Grand Cruiser, unless one is specially made the Mechanicum will go with the most balance of approaches.” TalOS answered as he looked upon the ship, “It will take time and resources if you want to outfit this vessel to be greater in all of those marks you give it. As a Primarch you have near limitless resources when refitting a ship, but with the time table of six more days we cannot do everything.” To those words TalOS heard an odd click coming from his brother. Not one of the tongues but a quick exhaling of air. Either way it demonstrated the stubbornness that his brother was surely having, finding himself between a rock and a hard place when it came to both finding glory and making things how he liked it. “You have had ship combat.” He said as his metal helm looked upon TalOS, “What has given you the most benefit?” >Sensors, no enemy should be able to sneak up on you. >Guns, lots of guns. >If you can take the hits, you can deal them out.
>>5412403>If you can take the hits, you can deal them out.
>>5412403>Numerical advantage and positioning are key. I would recommend good engines so you can properly maneuver your forces to maintain superiority.
>>5412403>Sensors, no enemy should be able to sneak up on you.
>Sensors, no enemy should be able to sneak up on you. Fulgrim shanked ole' iron hands.Lets not give him another chance.Also, there is only so much you can pack into your ships. Having intel gives you more flexibility in how to approach a problem than any single tool.
>>5412403>Sensors, no enemy should be able to sneak up on you.>"Sensors and firepower have been the cornerstone of my fleets ability to deal with any threats, but if i had to choose only one of them, then it would be better sensors. Many a time have i defeated my enemy because i knew where they were and could see them before they could see me, both in ambush and in straight combat. So if we are to ensure your success, then i would advise you get better sensors, for information is key to all things."
>>5412403>>Guns, lots of guns.the mitu shits couldn't event touch us BABYYYYY.I understand that big gun shoot strong and far is too simple and very simple (but not easy) to exploit and defend against, but having firepower is SO reliable
>>5412403>If you can take the hits, you can deal them out.it is also vital for the good old ramming technique.
>>5412404COUNTERPOINTThe Imperial Navy does not exist yet. The Imperial Army comprises both naval and ground forces in one. Both the later Imperial guard and the Imperial Navy were intentionally designed to be smaller than their former Great Crusade counterparts.We will never be the Imperial Navy. We will be the Mechanicum Baskilion and later will transform into the Mechanicus Baskilion, an organization which still exists as of Indomitus. Not to mention we are also a Space Marine Legion and later a Chapter. Our doctrine can be as different from the rest of the Imperial Navy as we please.If you are using the Wiki as our source on Cruisers being the majority of the Imperial Navy (they didn't seem to source this part), I would also point out that the same Wiki mentions and sources from the Battlefleet Gothic rules:>Though the total number of ships the Adeptus Mechanicus has at its disposal dispersed among its many forge worlds is far outnumbered by that of the Imperial Navy, it goes without saying that those responsible for all starship construction reserve for themselves among the most powerrful and best-equipped warships encountered anywhere in the Imperium.>Adeptus Mechanicus vessels represent the very apex of Mankind's technical prowess, and they have access to resources and technology unavailable to the vast majority of the Imperium.So there is perfectly acceptable reasons why Talos fleet, like any Primarch's fleet but especially his, may be much larger, better supplied, and different from a 40k Imperial Navy fleet. Astartes fleets in the first place don't really conform to Imperial Navy doctrine.
>>5412403>Bigger ships and more of them. Size, Resource, and Numerical superiority through combined Space Marines, Skitarii and Auxilia. >Look at the Emperor's method! We have seen the Bucephelus, know of the plans for the Imperator Somnium, how he surrounds himself with the mightiest ships>QM: If you want this to count as "If you can take the hits" that's okay too, the point is bigger ships make everything betterYou cannot have better sensors without the space for them.You cannot have more guns without the length to mount them.You cannot have better armor without the hull for it, or superior shields without the generator for it.The greatest Naval Tactician pales in comparison to the greatest Naval Strategist and Logistician. Engines, Launch bays, Boarding Personnel, all of it are intrinsically tied to size and space.Like the ancient 'Murican empire of old, who outproduced more and bigger ships than any other rival in its age, victory is won at the forge and the it is simply our duty to prosecute it. We leverage that same strength in the Federation.https://youtu.be/PmXc4B3USJ8
>>5412625Someone obviously did not read the thread. Hard no. Anyways its a Grand Cruiser its pretty much a Battleship.
>>5412665Since I won't be able to post later, HES GETTING A CUSTOM BATTLESHIP. HES A FUCKING PRIMARCH, EACH OF THEM GETS A FLAGSHIP!!!He's got this ship right now because its what the Tenth already had. He cannot make it bigger because it would take years to forge one. Mars cannot make battleships easily for if they could, there would be hundreds of Gloriana class battleships. But there were not hundreds of them, there were 3.
>>5412403 The third option seems redundant, the only way a fleet needs resistance is if it is fighting on equal footing. What the stupidest way to fight, anyone who understands the basics of modern warfare knows that you never have too many advantages. The second option seems like the obvious answer but it has a catch that is not clear, more weapons means more ammo, more ammo needs more storage space, the more stores on a spaceship the greater the amount of logistical support these ships will need . Not to mention the increase in personnel and equipment to keep these weapons working. In the end this is the worst option for someone who wants to fight using friction. For these reasons the first option is the best, as long as you are not surprised you will command the battlefield. Simple and effective.>Sensors, no enemy should be able to sneak up on you.
>>5412681 An "is" is missing before the "the" at the beginning of my text, I apologize for the inconvenience.
>>5412665If it's to be a Grand Cruiser let it be a Corinus/Repulsive class. Gottagofast.
>>5412665Hey, he asked us "what gave us the most benefit". I returned an honest answer.A big damn ship able to fit all the kit we want on it.>>5412667Gloriana's aren't the only battleships you realize right? If anything they are a class above battleship or "super-battleship"There were hundreds of battleships, possibly thousands in the Imperium. Emperor Class, Apocalypse Class, Victory Class, Retribution class to name a few.Where are you getting the concept that only Gloriana's are battleships?>He cannot make it bigger because it would take years to forge oneMost of these ships are gonna take years desu>Mars cannot make battleships easilyMars legitimately makes many battleships for the 40k Imperium. It's one of the main producers of battleships. Gloriana's are on a scale entirely bigger than battleships. . .
>>5412625>Switch to >Sensors, no enemy should be able to sneak up on you.I believe our Armor and Guns are already superior anyway. So will Ferrus'