The Ork Overlord of the Grail System has been assassinated by the might of the Knights of Dutonis upon the orders of TalOS DAV1S. The Orks of the Grail System scatter, leaving the Mitu Collective the only threat to the Federation’s Hegemony. The Reconquista shall continue in its slaughter of the enemies to the Machine God. ++The Rules++>Vote with Greentext, otherwise they probably won’t be accepted.>Write-ins can be accepted, and might even be used in the final without majority rule.>If you are going to change your vote, make it so your post only links to the numbers of the previous vote. It's cleaner that way.>If you mix votes together without modifying them in any way, I reserve the right to employ your top most pick as your vote. Claiming it as a write-in won’t work either unless you modify it to convince me otherwise.Archives:https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=The%20Machine%20QM
As always, there was a sense of pressure whenever one stays upon the Blackstone Fortress. Let them be a standard human, an agent of the Mechaincum, or an Astartes all can feel the ever flowing presence of the Blackstone. Many of the humans would spend most of their day near one of the few purple lights that kept their sanities intact. The Mechanicum, while they did indeed spend time away from these sources of life, would always come back to them no matter how much metal was upon their bodies. For the Astartes, they were no better than the Mechanicum Adepts. All of this occurred under the watch of TalOS DAV1S, Vadar’s Father. The Legion Master took a moment to rub his hand against the small machine that was settled upon his neck. The foreign object was a Vox Caster with a built in lexicon. He was informed by the Priests of the Mechanicum that it was a first step to understanding the real voice of his father. For that is what Binary was and he was not a fool to deny it. Whenever he heard his father speak there was an ever so subtle inflection that told the Astartes that the Primarch barely ever used his real voice. That it was rare and only used for when he was in the presence of those who failed to understand the theological language of the Martians. Theologic. In truth the Legion Master did not care for things such as Theocracy and the like. The Emperor at one point preached that there were no gods and that humanity was the sole heir to the galaxy. Maybe if Vadar grew up under such a mantel but the Jermanic Tribes were Katholic. He assumed that to be the reason why he accepted the Machine God before others, and there was a stark contrast between those raised by the Barbarians and those who were raised by the Emperor’s people. In the end they were all theocrats in one shape or another, even the Emperor. Ultimately the Machine Spirits made sense to Vadar as he walked into the hanger bay. None kept him away as Vadar stood before the largest of the God Machines present. Particep Semper, the God Machine that named his father Princep. Even now as he looked upon such a massive machine the Legionnaire could not help but feel the connection between them. An eternal hunger for battle that even now he kept in solace. His Father made an agreement early in his lifetime. The Emperor, for all his glory, was lying when he said there were no other Gods. They existed, and the Second Legion was forever bound to the servants of the Machine God.
Even as his attention was drawn to Particep Semper he did not stop paying attention to his surroundings. The Second Legion knowing full well that plans never come to forwishen, and thus death will follow to those who fail to notice the signs. Such an idea was driven into him by the Custodes and the Marine who led his very first mission. It was this moment that he turned the moment footsteps of metal upon metal came to his ear. You cannot say though that metal upon metal was the exact point of realization as there was plenty of that happening around him as the Mechanicum performed maintenance on Particep Semper. No, it was a pair of stomping that was closer in relation to his own that caught his ears. Thus the Legion Master turned and greeted his Equal, “Legion Master Matthias.” He announced while giving the Cog Mechanicum to his fellow. “Legion Master Vadar.” Declared the Imperial Fist as he gave the sign of unification. Vadar looked upon the symbol that he was served under for a long moment of contemplation.It was his fellow Legion Master that broke the spell, “Is something troubling you?” “Times change once again brother.” Declared Vadar as he relaxed his hands, “Once, we both presented the symbol of Unification, then the newest recruits presented the Aquila. Now, the 2nd presents the Cog.” “As is expected.” Matthias answered as he looked dead eye upon Vadar, “It is a problem only you and those underneath you have currently as we both know. Just with the Aquila, the new will edge you out.” “One hundred to one, that is the ratio of the second when referencing those born before and after the Treaty of Olympus.” Vadar declared as he supported the inference of his brother. “Two hundred to one within the seventh.” The Fist responded only to confirm that the second were not the only ones to have changed so drastically. “Then it shall be good to know that at least those in the future can serve my Father well in the future.” Vadar’s face had grown a shade of hopefulness as he knew he was in the presence of a friend. He was no fool though as he heard the heavy beats of Matthias’s hearts.
The two of them stood between one another as they took in the other’s presence. It was the only thing they could do as Matthias weighed out what exactly he wanted to say, for there was obviously something to say. Such speechlessness only occured to Astartes who had received news from a specific source. “What does the Emperor desire of -” For a moment Vadar was about to make a damning mistake, “you, the Imperial Fists for?” “The Emperor wishes for us to prepare a series of defenses across Segmentum Pacificus to assist in the scouting of interior worlds. We will be securing regions to permit Imperial Expansion by minor exploratory forces.” “Will there be hostiles in the area or not?” “There will be. A majority of sectors I plan to reinforce are currently under control by both Xenos and Divergent Human elements.” The Imperial Fist answered straightly. “Reasonable.” Vadar answered as he could only agree with the Master of Mankind’s objective. “It is, as expected from the Emperor.” Matthias said as he looked upon his brother, “I will be seeing the expansion happen myself.” “Then you will be leaving this Reconquista.” Declared Vadar as he realized the exact reason his fellow was here. “That is correct.” Vadar took in a breath as he looked back up towards the great Titan before them, “I thank you for alerting me of this fact. I am sure my Father is already aware of the fact even as you’ve not alerted him to it.” “As is expected of a master like him.” And there for a moment Vadar noticed something there within his cousin. Matthias soon gave the words that Vadar knew he came to speak, “As the Orks have been wiped out I understand that the Reconquest turns towards the Mitu Collective. Will you require the services of the Imperial Fists, even if they are lesser than before?” >No, Matthias, it was an honor serving with you for all these years.>A small contingent is fine. We can always use your expertise. >While you’ve awarded us, my Father will think otherwise. You will leave with an Auxilia.
>>5352211>A small contingent is fine. We can always use your expertise. no reason to deny help even if they are only in advisory roles.
>>5352211>A small contingent is fine. We can always use your expertise.>Other: But it would feel ill to deprive your legion of fine warriors. Would your Legion want to take some of the 2nd? The 2nd Legion is a cooperative nature. We will one day be the model that teaches the Techmarines throughout our 19 brothers ranks. To obtain the welcome advice and example of our brothers sons is welcome, as is to return the favor in kind. Also it would allow them to learn of the Imperial Fists legion methods up front and personal, and send reports to us, as data collectors, as well as to their enemies and the situation on the fronts. That's the other reason we're gonna spread our boys out. Eyes and ears.
One servo-arm or two?Vaylund Cal unit has twohttps://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/space-marines/Vaylund-Cal
>>5352204>https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=The%20Machine%20QMUpvoat the threads you basement niggers
>>5352211>A small contingent is fine. We can always use your expertise.Also I recognise that symbol from Age of Wonders 3, human theocrat with keeper of peace, creation and expander specializations was my go to combo.
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>>5352211>“What does the Emperor desire of -” For a moment Vadar was about to make a damning mistake, “you, the Imperial Fists for?”>What does the emperor desire of your legionbruhGuys, how can you NOT vote for the furthering of this bromance??? We have to pull an uno reverse card on the Imperial Fists>While you’ve awarded us, my Father will think otherwise. You will leave with an Auxilia.>No YOU get the services of the 2nd legion.
>>5352277if he only has one arm, what would you balance it with?
>>5352211>While you’ve awarded us, my Father will think otherwise. You will leave with an Auxilia
>>5352211>A small contingent is fine. We can always use your expertise.>>5352204God-Emperor I love this quest, I really hope we get to a Feudal World and get to really codify the Lay-Mechanis or even become the Mecha-Pope
>>5352277TalOS can follow the official model and have a gun on the other shoulder if QM let him. If not I believe he would want 2 because why wouldnt he?>>5352337You could ask the firstborn techmarines the same thing, their servo-arm was bigger than their leg. My guess is some gyroscope or anti grav harness.>>5352376A number of us are hoping to make some major reforms and reorganizations, once we've unified the sector after the war. As for becoming Fabricator General, it's a possible option but currently we've befriended the current Fabricator General and might instead stop him from going to Chaos.
>>5352211>A small contingent is fine. We can always use your expertise.>Insist they take some 2nd Legion with themThe contingent that stays could become the first Imperial Fist techmarines
Wait, rereading the update, isn't catholicism in 30k misspelled as catheric instead of katholic?Or is it suposed to be like a different sect, a difference in a dialect between high and low gothic?
>>5352569The thing was, I did not know how they mispelled it. I just knew they could so I took a shot in the dark.
>>5352579Alright QM, that makes more sense than what I thought.
>>5352211>While you’ve awarded us, my Father will think otherwise. You will leave with an Auxilia.>A small contingent is fine. We can always use your expertise.These are the options that let him return to his Legion with reinforcements from us, but still let us keep some fists for advisory correct>>5352569QM means Catheric, just a question if he is going for modern Catholicism as worshipped by technobarbarians, or more like early Germanic Christianity ala the Franks and Alamanni.
>>5352579That makes me curious about something: Depending on your interpretation of the myth, Ollanius Pious is either a perpetual who kept his faith alive in Jermany, or could be a normal human who will be born at least 100 years from now to Jermanic descended parents and against all odds be the only guardsmen out of millions to board the Vengeful spirit and make it all the way to the bridge.
>>5352491In that mini the arm is balanced by the macro stubber on the left!!!!!
>>5352610That model has a bolter not a macrostubber but yes, if QM permits TalOS to have a shoulder mount gun. One of our sons gave us a macrostubber. Also it's a lot more balance than some of the original techmarine models. Space marines are probably strong and techmarine stronger so they dont care
>>5352206Hmm Katholic that makes me think dont we have a trinity here? It would be neat if the second legion started to understand our faith like : Father:Emperor Son:Tal0s Holy Spirit:Machine Spirits/Void DragonWhat do you guys think? Since we know from Vadar that Jermanic tribes were Catheric.
>>5352621I'm keen on the idea of incorporating the tribes technobarbarian origins and culture into the legion. If Russ got to keep his Fenrisian culture, Khan his Chogoris culture, what prevents us from appreciating the Jermanic?
>>5352621Thing is, the mechanicus faith already kind of is a trinity isn't it?The Machine God is the father, the perfect logic, the Ominissiah is the son, the promised savior taken human form, and the Motive Force is the holy spirit, the divine will made manifest in all of the universe.
>>5352625I was thinking along the lines that we integrate these elements for the space marines like this>>5352624
>>5352627Oh ok.In that case it would be even easier to translate, since there is a very close equivalents already in place.My new headcanon is that in canon, the imperial fists took a large portion of the 2nd, and they later joined the black templars in their eternal crusade, so that's why they have the teutonic knights motif
>>5352211>A small contingent for you>We could enjoy a small contingent.Get the exchange going. Let our guys go and their guys come. Solidify ties.
Nice thing about the Jermanics being Catheric is the Cult Mechanicus has some Catheric overtones even before Lorgar had spread the Imperial cult. Candles, Prayers, Rites, Priests and Monks, Robes, Incense and so on. Our faith is ideal for its similarities.Most of all, I so want to push for Talos favored instrument to be the Organ. Think about it, the Organ is the only musical device that is also a machine. It must surely be divine. And he can play it with tiny mechadendrites Davy Jones style. What is the Particeps Semper but a giant walking Cathedral? Lorgars out there and he's going to be building up his churches soon. One day we can make the Particeps Semper fit for grand oratory sermons even in the heat of battle. Then all we need to do is install an exorcist style missile battery organ on the back linked up a keyboard within, so in between the speeches he can blare out Mechanicus Hymns
>>5352695I said it once and I will say it again, it must be an organ with a synth option and tubular bells installed.
>>5352697This is mandatory.The missile launches will provide the audible sound, each missile set to a different key.The Transonic cannon batteries will blare the synthAnd in addition to the tubular bells made of blackened Solarium, a glorious Devotional Bell made of Blackstone, exactly like a Custodian Titan. Only instead of a peal of divine holy Emperor energy, it's waves of null energy blessed by the Void Dragon, to drive away heretical spirits and psychic xenos.
>>5352695Speaking of Lorgar, should we try to convert him to the Omnissiah? Wouldn't that be a pretty fun way to say FUCK OFF to chaos?I can just imagine Tzeentch raging in his basem-labyrinth about this upstart Machine God foiling his plans, before rubbing his hands in merchant-like manner and repeatedly stating to himself that everything was going according to the plan.
>>5352695>>5352697Don't forget upgrading the Particeps Semper to Apocalypse class. Maybe in the darkest hour of the Rangdan War, when hope is dire, it will be one of the keys to victory.
>>5352708I'd eat my hat if there were even a 0.01% possibility of that. It's almost certainly far too late by now.The Primarchs are adult men. That means Lorgar has already:-Been found, raised and indoctrinated by Kor Phaeron-Is currently receiving and misinterpreting visions of the Emperor and MagnusBy the time the Emperor finds him and we learn of it, (He was one of the later primarchs found, most of the Chaos ones were found really late with Fulgrim, Horus, and Magnus being exceptions) he will have already essentially conquered his planet in the name of the Church of the One God.Colchis is a hot and barren desert world with minimal technology, I have a hard time seeing the merits of the Machine appealing to him. He may accept that the Machine God exists, being polytheistic (the Emperor is driving out the other gods, rather than that they didn't exist) but that might just make him hate him more. Because the Machine God is merely a god "too big to fail" that the Emperor refuses to challenge him. And thus, his faith is censured while we are free to practice ours openly.
>>5352722>The Emperor: Stop preaching your ridiculous faith and building temples and go and conquer worlds>Lorgar: My brother literally rides around in a giant walking temple making sermons that can be heard across the planet>The Emperor:
>>5352722Then maybe we can use this fact to appeal to the Big-E in some manner. He allows us to worship Honda Civics, why can't he let Lorgar pray to him? I just kinda wanna see loyalists Word Bearers who rule over the Eclesiarch.
>>5352729Lmao. Also to be fair, at least our faith actually does have us going out and conquering worlds. Turns out it's a lot more efficient when your temples are factorums and fortresses and worship is the business of war.>>5352731It's part of the 40k Grim Darkness shtick. That if Lorgar had just waited and stayed loyal somehow, in 100 years after the HH he'd have been vindicated and would be seen as one of the greatest Primarchs of all time and the first Ecclesiarch. Just like Magnus would have been if he had been there to sit on the Golden Throne so Malcador didn't have to die. He might have lived to see Imperial Saints of the Emperor, but also be incredibly depressed at having failed him and seeing his wounded form upon the Golden throne. Which now that I type it out seems kinda cool and fitting, a bit like the Lamentation of Christ. https://youtu.be/k1-TrAvp_xsIf somehow that were to happen, I can see it being possible reconciliation point between Talos and Lorgar, as we both regret the Emperor's loss. But I very much don't see how that could plausibly happen short of an act of actual divine luck and fortune.
>>5352735We are basically the chosen of the Void Dragon aren't we? So we probably already have divine luck by our side. Actually, now that I spoke of the Void Dragon, do you guys remember that we have the capability to learn Chronomancy? Like, just imagine, every Primach crying over the Emperor on the Golden Throne, then TalOS gets there, says "nope," and BAM! Turns back time of the Emperor's body, regenerating it!I was thinking about the fact that we can learn Chronomancy
>>5352731Thing is, we can worship only because we aren't directly under the Imperium, but a part of the Mechanicus.>>5352735Yeah, before we were found we were already crusading on our own, and now we are doing it with even more resources. If by the time we are done we have the entire ghotic sector plus a few neighboring ones, we would be rivaling the Ultramarimes. And that is without trying to pass some reforms to make the forge worlds even more efficient.Meanwhile Lorgar was dragging his feet because he wanted to fully convert each planet before moving to the next one.
>>5352737We actually did try to do that, but unfortunately our efforts ends up being a death trap because we're still too close to the warp so when we tried to make a time stasis field we faced the horrors of the immaterium and had to be pulled out. We need to severe our Warp Connection somehow, either by surrounding ourself with a powerful enough null field or, more likely, becoming a null ourselves.There is evidence in canon this is possible, as there are canon Grey Knights who became nulls through constant exposure to null fields despite that their geneseed is that of the Emperor himself. And the nature of the Sensei and even some of the skin that flakes off him as dust from the Imperial throne is indication, the Sensei are like the opposite of him having a pariah while the stuff that sloughs off his body is used in psy-out grenades.So perhaps, much like Blackstone, reversing/draining the polarity of someone is doable even for a Son of the Emperor. As a final resort, there is also biotransferrence, but that is such an incredibly extreme step.
>>5352738The benefits of being a mystery cult and staying a mystery cult. We do not proselythize or care for the masses. If the dregs wish to worship the Machine God, that is well and good, but if they do not we care little as long as they work.Those who truly want to be proper seekers of the Machine Gods mysteries and hidden knowledge must prove themselves intellectually intelligent and worthy of unlocking his secrets. Even our Skitarii are not conscripts, they are faithful individuals who have the skill and knowledge to be fit for augmentation, induction into the cult, a higher abilities than the average Imperial Army man or even the Solar Auxilia
>>5352745*I should say "care for the masses to become cult members". We care for them a great deal as a vital resource given unto us by the Machine God to be managed efficiently. But their beliefs, so long as they are not heretical or contrary to respecting the machine spirit, aren't of too great value to us. We encourage it perhaps, but we do not demand it, and we especially don't castigate them for not being believers. Unlike the Imperial Cult and Lorgar.
>>5352745>>5352748I stull think having some sort of low church/lay rituals to make sure the masses under us know the absolute bare basics to keep the machine spirits happy could be useful.No need to proselyze, force conversiom or share secrets, just making sure that the menials don't botch the rituals. Doing things out of pure fear, tradition or supervision can only go so far.And no matter how many servitors and techprieat you end up replacing things with, there is always going to need normal humans somewhere.
>>5352237>>5352211>supporting thisi feel that especially these two legions would gain from such an exchange
>>5352756Isn't this already happening since Factory Serfs need to be trained to operate/build machines?
>>5352756While true, I can't imagine that's not already what happens to some extent. Most Imperials when they have basic machine problems usually go to their local enginseer and say "what's made the machine spirit uncooperative?" and they explain "you have irritated the Machine Spirit by not changing the oil". or that most lay mechanics don't have some ideation on machine spirits. Still if we can improve upon it is definitely a worthy idea, I remember in the Pariah Nexus book one of the menials trying to repair a broken sentry by soldering some wires together did his best to mimic the chantings he had heard the techpriests doing and it worked adequately enoguh.
>>5352729>>5352722>>5352731>>5352735Relevant once more
>>5352764>>5352767Yeah, I was thinking of just expanding it more. Like instead of the vast majority knowing jack shit and bothering the local engiseer everytime, people have a group of approved lay rites that are taught, so they would only need to be trained on the more specifics parts or ask for help for actual problems. Maybe with a few talented people that don't really make the cut learning a bit more.It's not for the good of the unenlighted masses, the priest's works and the well being machine spirits. I know engiseers and acolytes kind of fill that niche, but having to depend on an influx of new blood or keep them from progressive feels like a weak link, like breeding internal resentment and the like.
>>5352777Missed a "but for the" after masses.
Leave some men here>>5352233>>5352291>>5352376>>5352677Auxilia - Sharing>>5352237>>5352763>>5352494>>5352595Auxilia - Not>>5352336>>5352369Alright, Auxilia with sharing wins.
Vadar glanced at his fellow for a moment as he took in what he had learned, “My Father will not let you leave without repaying you. In our brothership you had helped merge with our new kin, you became a linchpin in his Reconquest.” “And his reward shall be?” “Men and materials, just as you gave us. I am sure my Father wished he could give you a present as well but without a Primarch it might ring empty or damage his relationship with a future brother.” “We will be in a continued cycle of debt.” Pointed out the Imperial Fist as he took in a wise realization. “Then it would be best that you keep assisting us.” declared the Astartes as he gave a bow, “Even if it is only a company of brothers or something as great as a Chapter, it would result in equilibrium at some point in either of our lifetimes.” To those words the Imperial Fist finally shined to his cousin a smile, “That is an acceptable arrangement. We shall present it to your Father.” “If he does not already know it happened.” Declared Vadar as he looked at a Tech Priest who was glancing in their direction. The two of them began to move with swiftness as soldiers. Orderly in their movement that it almost rivaled that of machines. The two had placed their helmets on, so that they did not need to bother carrying it upon their belts. It also gave the added luxury of being able to talk to one another without having to break step when marching forward. They had been like this quite a few times. Both of them had the desire to get right to the job when the chance came to them. It was a waste of everyone’s time after all if you did not come straight up to them to inform the person. They had marched like this multiple times. First was the Emperor of Mankind when they were first assigned their positions as Legion Masters, followed by the first time they had to report to Horus Lupercal. Then there was the brief time they intercepted with the Wolf King, but that moment was so early in the Crusade and right before the Wolfen Vernika threw themselves into the stars.
However, in moments where they did not waste any other’s time, they would spend each other's time. “Your father carries with him something that I do not believe any of the three other Primarch have.” Declared Legion Master Matthias as they traveled through the halls, “The men of the Mechanicum follow him not for his presence but respect.” “In what meaning do you say those words?” Asked Vadar as they kept moving at the same rate as before. “You have felt it too. There is a presence that his brothers and father place upon us. We are lesser than them.” Matthias said outright as he spoke his true thoughts. “As expected of men who were built by the Emperor.” “As is expected.” Confirmed the Imperial Fist as he continued a moment’s thought, “Your father however has never used his own presence. And without it he had become integral to the humans to whom both serve and are served by him.” “Should we compare this to Astarte?” “Possibly. She was a fool who did not see the greater picture and did not believe in her own work. The Priests of Mars, do.” The Imperial Fist gave an analysis from years before even the Great Crusade. “Each and every one of the Priests to some extent knows what is happening.” Admitted Vadar as he remembered his times of serving with his father, “He lends an ear to each and every one of them making them understand they are part of the Reconquista. He even lended an ear to you, an outsider.” “More than what Horus had.” Declared the Imperial Fist from his first few moments being with the Emperor’s First Son. And for that moment the two of them shared a thought of annoyance. Memories of a past event the two shared. It was enough to keep them silent as they both experienced a moment of humiliation at the hands of his attack dogs. Space Marines had long memories.
“I do wonder what the Father of the Imperial Fists shall be like.” Admitted the Legion Master as they closed ever closer to the bridge. “He shall be strong and robust.” Declared Vadar with a certainty that was unshakable, “I cannot see him denying you for what you are. Your love for masonry surely came from his genes.” “That is a hard thought to take Vadar.” Admitted the Legion Master as he took in the words of his fellow Legion master, “All change with their Father, even yourselves.” “Fear that you will change to a person you cannot be proud of, or the ultimate trial of your work?” Question the Legion Master as he took a hint to a moment he had so long ago.The Legion Master of the Imperial Fists fell silent as he thought about the question. With the hush falling between the two Vadar heard both their footsteps as well as many others. He glanced from one side to the other to take in the massive halls that they now walked. It would be ten minutes now before they arrived at the bridge of the Blackstone Fortress. “That is the truth.” Admitted Matthias as he finished heasuring his words, “Am I doing what my Father wants of the Legion?”There was a moment of silence the two shared as they continued their way through the halls. It was an obvious one that bled subtle hints within its emptiness. It was also a request of assurance from one who wondered himself. Vadar finally spoke “It is hard to even know yourself. There are obvious things that he shall change but those are things that you cannot know in advance of meeting him. If you had told me the tenth who belonged to my Father I would have believed you. But… he only asked us to confirm our allegiances and has instead forged themselves to fit us.” “Then do you think your Father approves of the direction you have taken the Second Legion?” Questioned Matthias as he stopped in his tracks to look straight at Vadar. >He does, for some reason. >We need to grow with him. >Massive changes will be needed.
>>5353113>We need to grow with him.I like this one because it implies both TalOS and the legion are on a road to improve themselves.
>>5353113>We need to grow with him.
“If he does not already know it happened.” Declared Vadar as he looked at a Tech Priest who was glancing in their direction.Lol, as if Talos would only limit his vision, or the reach of his Djinn, to the mortal auxilia alone. "He lends an ear to each and every one of them"I like that, it really reflects on Talos character. He understands he may be a very shiny gear, but he is still at the end of the day, only one cog in the greater machine. All must be oiled and tended to.“More than what Horus had.”In all fairness, its hard to lend ears when you only have two, or maybe what your suit provides. Sure there's Alpharius, but with him as your ears you're never quite sure if what you heard was the truth.Talos has ten thousand upon ten thousand ears, each wirelessly transmitting to him. Implanted cogitators, extra slave minds and nearby priests to delegate information processing helps with multitasking too!
>>5353158Well, they are legion masters, Horus would have to listen to only twenty of them. So if he ignored their inputs, it probably wasn't because he physically couldn't.
>>5353113>We need to grow with him.>"Our Father was pleased with what he found, but he isn't even satisfied with his own. He wishes for more, for all of us to grow, as is his nature. He is open about his feelings"My two bits:#1 Talos is quite pleased with what the 2nd's space marines had been when we found them:-Born with inherent rage, yet so disciplined that they controlled it without data-vaults-Aggressive warriors. We need that.-Incendiary gas weapons-Even some vestiges of Technobarbarianism-Most of all they willingly bent the knee and are learning to embrace the Cult Mechanicus, and they are working with the Acillians#2 Talos readily gives Q/A with his sons, constructive feedback, and always the saying "if you have a problem bring it to me, please don't hide it". If we're displeased with our sons they would know, if we are happy with our sons, they would know. With the tools they were given prior to our arrival, they have performed as well as they could, and we do not shy away from commending them for it. But Talos can be summarized by this simple phrase: "I have a gigantic to-do list, and only so much time" There is boundless opportunity for growth on all fronts, reorganization, development, improvement. Such are the ways of technology and the machine, to continually advance and improve. We embrace Vadaar as a son regained, who had done his duty well. Now we welcome him into the great race into the glorious future that will be the Mechanicum at its full glory.
>>5353113>>We need to grow with him.
>>5353165Maybe. But I also believe that there is only so much poor Horus can keep track of. That's why he went mad as Warmaster, 19 other brothers all clamoring for his ear. I bet even Guilliman would have been driven to insanity (just look how much work he has to do in Indomitus)Horus is also not indoctrinated to the cult, so he lacks some tools that can help mitigate the stresses. If he is angry, or sad, or irritated he cannot shove some of those emotions into a vault for later processing. He cannot access slave minds or data-jinn assistance or powerful machine spirits to aid his thinking, as well as justify all his decisions thorugh not only logical arguments but also actual hard data and numbers "the algorithm predicts this plan has a 87% degree of success, more than any other option" Still, true enough. Of all the Primarchs, Talos is probably the one who respects "lesser" men the most. Because they aren't actually lesser men, he's lived his life with some of the smartest beings amongst the stars, ancient techpriests of such knowledge and skill they dwarf even space marines and rivaled himself as a youth. They are living proof that even though the Emperor designed the astartes and primarchs to be superior, intelligence and intellect are still possible outside the scope of his geneforging. He'd be the most open to the idea of shifting power from the space marines to the humans because. . .that's already what the Mechanicus is! I don't see any Acillians becoming Fabricator Generals anytime soon. He works with mortals and immortals alike.
>>5353113>We need to grow with himLike a tree cutting. Or a clone arm.
>>5353172>SupportYa there's not really anything TalOS can complain about them. They did what they could and do it well. Their emotion discipline is praiseworthy. But dudes got a vision and he's gonna need everyone's help to realize it.>>5353189Being under the shadow of an Imperator Titan also puts things into perspective. TalOS didn't skip his serving of humble corpstarch pie, but isn't also poisoned into being a slave like Lorgar was.
It probably helps that he also had as close to a normal upbringing by good parents as it gets. Only Roboute had something like that. If he did something good, C4R would say "attaboy" and if he did something bad, C4R would say why he's disappointed and how he should improve. And E11IE was there as the motherly figure.>>5353113>We need to grow with him.>Vadar did a good job with what was available to him
Actually, how could I forget. The reason Talos is not full of his own shit like some of his other brothers? He's got the one thing that not even Guilliman has:A wife!
>>5353248Don't forget an actual set of parents, although I'm partial to the idea that he knows what it's like to be an (admittedly extremely powerful) mortal and an invincible War-God and knows how he needs to act in both circumstancesAlso, I love the idea of The Tenth being the perfect picture of WW1 era combined arms doctrine (and/or the occasional Blitzkrieg)
>>5353113>He approved what he saw. He told us.>We need to grow with him.To "forge ourselves to fit around them", that's what a father who loves their son does. As C4R did to us, we welcomed theim, accepted them, now we want to see them improve at our side. Just as our example, we changed our entire body and still have plans to do more. They'll appreciate it when they see the welcome Perturabo gives to his sons...
>>5353165Just to spike the conversation, you are correct that he could listen to them. Horus simply choose not to and used the mournival against the Legion Masters.
>>5353658Well, that explains the grudge.Ignoring because it's too many suggestions or they are contradictory, because of a belief they are his lessers, or to prefer to listen to his own trusted and chosen advisors is understandable.But to activally oppose them? That's how you get a schism.
>>5353697if he was smart, he would have invited them to eat and make some form of amends after.Still not a good idea, but does smooth over those edges.So far i just assume he wanted to keep his own council, since he expected them to go their own ways anyway.
>>5353701Horus is a top down style of leader. This is one of the reasons the Emperor wanted him as warmaster to herd the Primarchs, but also became a stressful point for him when the Emperor simultaneously wanted him to concede some powers to and involve the human council. Whom the Emperor probably ignored as he pleased when he was in command of the crusade anyway. Ever the wise Emperor eh
>>5353113>>He does, for some reason.Of course Talos accepts the WAR that brews within each of the 2nd legion's chest
>>5353605>They'll appreciate it when they see the welcome Perturabo gives to his sons...
>>5353113>We need to grow with him. As is the Mechanicums way.
We continue to Grow>>5353150>>5353156>>5353172>>5353176>>5353196>>5353236>>5353861>>5353937He approves>>5353605>>5353899
I hope the "We continue to grow" option doesn't discredit the general sentiment that Vadar did well with what he had right? He should know we aren't disappointed in him, we are proud of him. But unless he was already a mechanicum kitted warrior loaded with all kinds of gear and upgrades it was unlikely he'd match our intended visions of the future. And that's not his fault because how would they have earned the great degree of Mechanicum's favor without us?
>>5354107"Don't rest on ones laurels" as the ancients said. And you know the ancients had good advice. The road to improvement has no end.
>>5354107Even if he was, he still wouldn't be perfect, because the quest for Knowledge hasn't ended yet. Chances are one day there would be even more tech to upgrade the kit.
>>5354127Hell for me the "End Goal" of our closest Steel Wardens are small squad of contemptors equipped with a modified multi-use Incaendius jetpack and a plethora of STC Dark Age arms.We ourselves being based more on the Telemon or Arlatax. Flying and shooting like a riptide while punching like a proper dreadnought.And even then, give Talos enough centuries, he'll start to ponder if there's not still more to add on.Anyway, at least with Jetpacks, if we ever try Vulkan's teleportation trick we aren't going to burn up in the atmosphere.
Vadar had to think to himself as he heard those words. He went through almost every situation that was given to him by the Primarch and those that were set up by his more immediate sons. In the end the Legion Master answered, “He supports what I have done, but wishes for growth and evolution above all others now.” The Imperial Fist looked hard upon his brother as he analyzed the Legion Master’s helmet. The man obviously tried to decode those words for all that they were worth. He seemed to satisfy himself as he spoke, “That is really all that we can ask for.” “Indeed, we cannot divine from the universe what it is our Fathers would want of us. Their will is so many leagues away and hidden from our sight. I would be troubled by those who are certain in their fate.” “The Third.” Vadar gave a grievous nod, “What they have given to the Emperor himself is something that no other Legion could. Even as fortunes obviously turned around them they still kept their heads high and the Aquila bored upon their chests.” “It will be a freight whichever way their Primarch chooses to take them. Whether he chooses to take them down a notch or join them in their pride.” The two of them turned through the last hallway as a memory came upon the mind of Vadar, “I cannot imagine their experience with Mortals is as fine a take as ours.” “Your Father has made us Cogs in his Machine of War.” Admitted the Legion Master of the Imperial Fists as they finally approached the final doors, “Only a great Master of War could realize the full potential of all their forces.You are correct in that they will not be any better than they have been before.” “Then there is nothing that can be done except move forward.” Admitted the Legion master of the Second Legion as he pushed open the doors. As he made his way the Legion Master of the 7th followed his way into the bridge.
The Bridge of the Blackstone Fortress was a place where one could reasonably expect an entire war to have been waged from. All about the floor and several levels about the place where the Lords of the Mechaincum all worked upon the computer screens. It was a wondrous place where the Mechanicum worked to operate and plan out their future. Not even the Emperor, blessed by his magnificent vessel, carried nearly as much manpower and intelligence within a single room. Within the room was a modest table and throne at the center. The table was one that the Legion Masters knew was a recent addition to the floor in addition to the numerous thrones that were about it. Of the thrones, two of them were occupied with people. The first one was a rust colored throne upon which looked like a Tech Priest who might simply float away. The Legion Masters knew this person to be Prime Magos Dominus Pterraxi of Columnus. A brilliant naval strategist and the one who brought in the flying troops that were modestly successful on the warfront. The one next to him was the reason the two Astartes gave their respective symbols. The one who they paid respect towards was a massive mass of steel that underneath held the greatest of all minds. Any bits of flesh that would have shown underneath the thick cloth was covered in the darkened steel of the Star Forge. The man had four arms visible each either typing or jacked into an outlet. Red eyes looked upon them as the helm turned to face them. The face was not that of a human, but of a Machine God. “Legion Master Vadar, Legion Master Matthias.” He said with a voice both smooth but clearly synthesized, “I welcome you once more to my bridge. What is the matter that you wish to bring to my attention?” Without missing a beat Matthias raised his head to address the Primarch directly, “The Imperial Fists, upon orders of the Emperor, are to transfer to the rim of Pacificus to begin the solidifying of our gains and conquer the inner segmentum.” To those words the Primarch did not speak. Such an event was not rare for the Primarch as one who interacted with the Tech Priests knew for long enough. He was likely processing several pieces of information within his mind that none of the Astartes could fathom. “It was an honor to have worked with you Matthias.” Was the ultimate declaration the Primarch could give.
“I thank you Primarch TalOS.” Declared the Astartes as he took in such a comment. It was a quick reply, one that would have surely made few wonder if he did not carry any weight in the other’s words. Vadar knew better though. Matthias would remember such a day. The Legion Master of the Second soon stepped forward as he made his words known, “My Father, I know you would wish to reward the Seventh Legion for their service with us. They have been a valuable asset as their schemes have proven a perfect basis for our war. I wish to recommend a policy for that.” “You have the permission to speak your mind my Son.” The Primarch said as his metal face somehow grew a phantom smile upon its form. “I ask that for the Auxilia to begin with the Imperial Fists. That they are the first to receive my brothers, the Royal Knights of Dutonis, and the Legion of Titans. To make sure that neither side falls into debt with the other, the Imperial Fists have agreed to leave a cohort with us to advise and assist.” For another long pause the Primarch thought to himself again. Though Vadar knew that there was a tinge of approval already within the heart of the Primarch as he heard those very words. “I shall both give and accept said assistance. As you will be departing within the week, Legion Master Matthias, I shall grant you the first of our Auxilia.” TalOS declared as he waved a new hand produced from underneath his robes. “I thank you Primarch TalOS. You have surely realized all that you have given to the Imperial Fists. It is painful that I must ask for more of you.” Legion Master Matthias placed an immense amount of weight within his words as he pressed forward, “May I ask one question for you to answer?” “A question that has been weighing on your mind?” Asserted the Primarch as he leaned in with a moment’s interest, “What is it you desire?” “What shall be the fate of Legion Master Vadar?” For a moment Vadar looked upon his cousin with a moment’s horror, but he then realized this was the only moment for him to ask. Vadar could not know how much weight was placed upon his friend’s shoulders in the thoughts of what might happen. >He shall remain Legion Master, for while the Astartes might be modified the Emperor’s vision was well founded. While I am their Father, I cannot be their direct leader due to obligation. >We will see as I plan to integrate the Astartes and Acillian into a cohesive whole. >He shall lead my combined Transhuman Legion. AL4N shall be his second in command.
>>5354214Took me like, an hour to realize what to write. But then I remembered that Imperial Fists would ask whatever was on their mind.
>>5354214>We will see as I plan to integrate the Astartes and Acillian into a cohesive whole.
>>5354214>Write-In: Unique will be the 2nd Legion. "Two" is its number, and so not one but two will be its Legion Praetors. AL4N of the Acillians, VADAR of the Astartes.>We will retain both Acillians and Astartes, Brothers among Brothers. I have twins, a son and a daughter. I have a binary partner who I hold as my equal. The holy language of the Machine God is binharic itself.>Two means of creating super soldiers will ensure our greatness in number and ability uniquely among the 20 LegionsWe should honestly keep the Astartes and the Acillians production lines. The ability to supplement with two methods of creation really is something no one else can match, even if we upgrade both. The Astartes can have the more war minded of our sons, the Acillians can have the scientists and engineers. We will upgrade both of them greatly, and encourage unison among them. Each working towards their strengths, and covering each others weakness. Astartes to assault squads, Acillians to support squads, and so on.Let's say we were inspired by Alpharius and Omegon who basically did the same thing by making two separate halves of the Alpha Legion compete with each other. The dude even got two glorianas.
>>5354222Well, we haven't met Omegon yet, but there is lore precedence for it anyway. Those guys had two of everything. Why can't we have two of everything?
>>5354215And 2nd Legion would say whatever is on theirs. There is no mistaking meaning when talking in techna lingua.
>>5354214>We will see as I plan to integrate the Astartes and Acillian into a cohesive whole.>It depends on how compatible the astartes geneseed and the acillia modifications might interact. There are simply too many variables, from remaining as they are while a new mixed breed of mixed acillian and astartes becomes the new standard pattern, a new office above mitarii equivalent to legion master where his experience leading such large forces would be valuable, a dual leadership between him and ALAN with their different talents covering any shortcomings or even some fusion of these previous options.>What is certain is that under no circunstances a son of mine will be throw at the wayside and marked as obsolete. That I will personally ensure.
>>5354214>Supporting dual leadershipTwo is indeed better than one. And more is better than less.
>>5354209>“The Third.”THIS SILENCE OFFE- Ah, a couple centuries too early, nevermind. >Children of the Emperor! Death to His foes!
>>5354214>>He shall lead my combined Transhuman Legion. AL4N shall be his second in command.AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA robboooots
>>5354222>supportI see that we are going to do this the roman way, a commander on the field and a commander in the war room, each holding equal power and serving the greater good of their nation.
>>5354308That sounds very based, and with the noosphere even more effective as they can update each other in real time with their own shared eyes.>>5354222>>support
>>5354214>>5354222>supporting the Roman way
>>5354214He has already demonstrated that he is competent in leading these vast numbers and has experience in large conflicts to draw on. But he is lacking experience with the ascillians creation and process, so I hope that my two sons will actively learn from each and support each other to make a stronger legion.
>>5354214>>He shall lead my combined Transhuman Legion. AL4N shall be his second in command.Fuck me, i made small speech >>5354470, but forgot the actual vote
I'm not so sure Vadar's lacking in experience with the acillians in creation or abilties, the whole purpose of this ork war was to teach our brothers cohesion. but if that were the case you make a good point.Rather than Vadar being soley the caretaker of Astartes and Al4N that of acillians, they should both lead at least some degree of mixed units and learn the methods of creating both. There will be times, in fact we should encourage, the leadership of mixed units.The reason I'm in favor of also promoting AL4N to the status of Co-Praetor rather than 2nd in command is simple: anticipation of exponential growth. We could get so large as to reasonably sustain two fronts, or at least become the great Juggernaut Ferrocreteroller we are destined to be."We who are the largest Legion, who include both Astarte's, men, and all that is between, supported by our machines and vast auxilia, cannot afford to waste even a single abled body or mind."Our twin methods of creation, astartes and acillians, in addition to our lack of disdain for failed aspirants but use of them, will reward us well. Astartes are likely the hardest trial to overcome, they have more geneseeds, their duty and sole purpose is war. Acillians have a relatively greater chance of success perhaps, being mostly machine which our Forgeworlders are used to. And of course, both will have failed aspirants. But rathe than giving them the "Machine God's peace", they have so many options. Return home as heroes and sire more generations? Join the Skitarii as marshals and elites? Stay with us as armed chapter serfs.To be an aspirant in the first place puts you a cut above the rest, even skitarii or armymen. To have even partial geneseeds or augments will make them into ideal special forces. Euthanising them is a waste. Even if their bodies become mangled, we can spare the brains, make them into techpriests or Ruststalkers.
>>5354549If we want to stay the largest of legions, after taking Lucius sector we must direct our attentions west prior to the Rangdan invasion. It might look like we're the perfect legion to throw into the meat grinder, but we could market ourselves more as the best garrison forces to hold the western Galaxy alongside Horus and Roboute while Lion and Russ deal with the Rangdan. If we avoid the war, we'll profit in the same way Luna Wolves and Ultramarines did.
>>5354564>not wanting to partake in the greatest, most challenging front of the Great Crusade and meet our god.By the Void Dragon, the Rangdan will be our Cannae and like the romans we will rise from it stronger than ever! With the Mechanicus and a whole sector worth of resources our legion and auxilia will regain their strenght in no time, and just imagine the WMDs that we will develope during the conflict. We better make backups of our memory once Emps uses the Void Dragon so that even if he erases that memory from us we can load it up again.
>>5354222I dont want them to be separate orders, but duel leadership in the roman style could be cool
>>5354592Agreed.>>5354222>>ADDENDUM: >It isn't that we will strictly limit one to leadership of a particular group, we will encourage mixed/combined arms groups. However, there being an Acillian Praetor and an Astartes Praetor will ensure we have two leaders at both times with familiarity from both groups we will be producing.
>>5354621>supporting this addendum to the original support
By the way what's your guys opinions about other forge worlds having their own Acillians. Would you want them to have free reign to do what they want. Or would you guys only give them the secrets to make them with stipulations. Like a max number a forge world can have at a time (maybe 1000) or a deal where they have to give us 1 in 10 aspirants.
>>5354692I've been thinking about this. For me its likely the difference between having all the Acillians/Astartes of the 2nd legion be (mostly) made in Lucius ala the Ultramarine style where most of them are made in Ultramar, vs being spread out.My theory is that the in game practical effect will be whether or not the 2nd Legion will benefit from different Forge World Dogmas or just purely be benefitting from Lucian dogma, vs having everything in the Lucian realm and more centralized could reap benefits when we try to make our home more defended and more organized, so that its very well capable of defending itself, much like Ultramar.
>>5354692Well, in my opinion we shouldn’t give away the secrets for how to make ancillians, rather we should give the Forge worlds the ability to scan their own population for viable civilians who are willing and able to become ancillians and then give them a choice. Send us these people and we will turn them into the finest ancillians we can make, train them in all the arts we have and then send them back to you, but first, some conditions.After their creation and training, they will serve the legion for a minimum of 20 years, where after they can choose to be given transport back to their original Forge world or to continue serving as a part of the legion.All ancillians are to be prepared to be drafted if the situation requires it, this covers, but is not limited to: Massive ork WAAAGH’s, Xenos invasions, Massive civil war threatening the cohesion of allied/owned systems and other devastating scenarios.As a bonus to the Forge worlds that sends recruits to us, we will allow the ancillians to bring back their knowledge and gear and give them the right to use/spread it as they please. Furthermore, Ancillians who have shown great prowess and have done great deeds are given certain rights with the legion, such as the ability to call for help unrelated to the legions own aims (ie. you could call for 10 ancillians if you needed help teaching some heretics not to fuck with the machine spirits or something of the like) and also the right to buy and trade information/STC’s/knowledge/other with the legion’s. Does this sound reasonable?
>>5354723I can definitely get behind this, we might even consider expanding the program to other Legions as a way of increasing our own recruiting pool and spreading the Techmarine meme. Eventually they'll become dependent on these guys for tech support and that's when we can start calling in some real favors.
>>5354723A more streamlined solution could be to just have the different various Taghmata realms offer up worlds as recruitment planets. Then we offer them chapters or even companies on hire, developing a relationship where bodies are sent our way in exchange for troops and services. This also has the added effect of ensuring that those forge worlds will have a vested interest in sending us as many resources as possible for continued and ever increasing support. While there, the 2nd Legion can either be Acillians and thus provide research and engineering expertise, or Astartes and do pure military exercises or both.In time we will have dedicated Chapters with specialized experience operating in different sectors, and against different threats, as well as the ability to rotate them as necessary where as keeping them locked to their forge world means they're stuck to said forge world.
>>5354741Yes! Having this flexibility would mean that the structure of the Taghmata would be able to more easily respond to any threat that it has to handle with. Also, making our legion act more like a great academy of learning and training which offer a valuable service to the forge worlds, ensures that our legions(future chapters) will never be seen as a threat or enemy to the independence or hierarchy of the Mechanicum.
>>5354741Excellent idea. Then those chapters or companies can benefit from the forge world dogma's of worlds they are mostly assigned to. Come the Heresy, it has the added bonus of hopefully delaying some forge worlds falling to Chaos by having loyalist presences. Just as long as we also have a large number of dedicated Legion troops too.
>>5354753How about this, instead of just giving the Forge World the secrets there can just be a Cabal of Priests loyal to just the Legion for creation rituals. They are vetted and can even have loyalty forced upon them. This way it confirms TalOS still owns the Acillians/Astartes, but each Forge World can have the specialized form.
>>5354775imo thats a good compromise, it also avoids any 'Lucius keeps knowledge and hoards power' complaints
>>5354775For a canon example the Ordo Reductor, while having a reach across many Forge Worlds, is ultimately loyal to their order.
>>5354775I'd like that. Especially the enforced loyalty part for those gifted with knowledge of their creation.One day, all tech priests will know, "The Eye of the Dragon is upon them."Big Brother Talos watches and cares for all.Hmm, perhaps one day when we need to ramp up security we might create the Lemegeton Clavicula Davis - "The Lesser Keys of Davis", 72 powerful Data-Djinn built under the shadow of slumbering dragon, raised to fight off the vile influence of warp infested scrap code and daemon viruses.
>>5354746>>5354741I have actually had a further idea of how we can ensure that our legion, when it splits up after the heresy (which it most likely will, unfortunately) will still be able to act like a legion should. We simply do as the roman successor state did and institute a theme system that they used (and which the tahgmata takes some inspiration from) by having institutionalised our legion into area defined companies/chapters, while still following the orders of the main legion (the 2 praetors). Ensuring that this theme system becomes a reality would then make us able to split our legion relatively safely after the heresy, while ensuring that everyone has a safe base of operation and that the legion is still (by technicality), disbanded. Also, if we cross our fingers and hope to the Machine God, the successor chapters of our legion might still be willing to follow our system of following the 2 elected/appointed preators, making us able to sidestep the legal issue of legions in a similar manner as the Black Templars did (“No sir, we aren’t a legion, we are just a gathering of chapters that have chosen to follow the commands of a fellow astartes on our crusade/campaign to fulfill our mission/purge. Nope, no legion here! Only several, near identical, chapters!”).What do you guys think?
>>5354775>>5354779Agreed. This is the way to do it.>>5354782>One day mothers will tell their children on All Machine Souls eve: "He sees you when you sleep, he knows when you wake. Be faithful, and he will bring presents. If you're wicked, he'll turn you into a lump of smoldering coal with his Volkite!"
>>5354785we could institute a council of chapter masters, that votes in the praetors and also has the right to take the position from them.Also, as long as there is no crisis the Praetors are symbolic positions with the right to call together the legion again, if unnecessary the chapter masters can combined veto and remove them, not fool proof, but balanced.
>>5354791That is a sound idea and i fully support that
>>5354791I'd be somewhat weary of this. Is it necessary? Are there any precedence for this in another legion/chapter in 40k? It seems a bit too ripe for shenanigans.Besides we picked the Praetors, their position is tantamount to us vetting them. To call them unfit is to say our decision making is unfit or that we were mistaken.
>>5354798That is mainly for after we fuck off to whereever, to give the chapters a working structure without completely disbanding the legion.
>>5354798Hmmm, maybe instead of only having a council of chapter masters voting for the praetor, what if we instead reserve that as the option for if the preator is unable to choose a successor (ie. they are dead, MIA or something else) and the primarch (ie, us/TalOS) is unreachable (again, either dead, MIA or something worse)? That way we have a backup for if it is not possible for a preator to choose and train their own successor or that their primarch is not available. This would ensure the future chapters to come have atleast some way of showing that they have a united heritage/goal, even if they are in different chapters, while also limiting any chance for political/deamonic/other type of shenanigans?Sound like a good compromise?
>>5354808That implies we're ever going to fuck off, given how much effort we put on staying alive and how the work of the Mechanicum never ends. Unlike even Vulkan, we'll have things to do long after the Horus Heresy.>>5354813That could work.Alternatively, we host a meeting of the entire legion via Noosphere Senate meeting of the chapter/company masters and we personally nominate Vadar and AL4N as Co-Praetors (it's a pity that Consul is ranked below Praetor otherwise that would be perfect). Then we can say they were voted in at behest of their brothers. Then those Praetors can nominate successors in the event of their demise.I just hope such a precedence doesn't get fucked with in the future by internal political schemes. Hopefully such a system will be smiled upon by Roboute. He's our sounding board for good political sense.
>>5354817Hmmm, that could also work. If i might come with a crazy idea, why don't we let them (our legion) choose the voting process? ie. we ask them if they want the entire legion/chapters to vote for their praetors or if they want their chapter masters/30k-equivalent to represent them and vote in their stead. Could be fun to read our legions reaction to both being able to choose their leaders (after our appointees die) AND having to choose the way that they will vote for new preators.
>>5354817I mean, TalOS being the paranoid sort would probably be ok just writing his will early just in case. Just have it known that if he dies, the twin consols who are the Legion Masters/Praetorians are to be elected.
>>5354820His will better include a: "I am totally developing like 12 different ways to preserve my consciousness GET OUT THERE AND HELP ME PUT MYSELF BACK TOGETHER" clause.Like the Artefacts of Vulkan, only instead of weapons its the different means Talos has attempted to cheat death. If it ever comes to that. Which I hope it doesn't.
>>5354820TalOS, writing his willTalOS: "Hmmm, i believe it would be prudent to make sure succession after i die go smoothly, so.." *writes down his favourite candidates*TalOS: "now then, unto the most important matter... who will raise the children? maybe..."*Thinks about Perturabo/Dorn*TalOS: "no, better not... maybe Malcador?... no, not faithful enough and a psyker... but he is my uncle, Hahhh, so many options..."
>>5354775I like the sound of that.Now they just need a funny acronym.
>>5354836Let us call them Priestly Order of the Omnissiah's Protectors; P.O.O.P
>>5354836Judges of Innitate SelectionJIS
>>5354840>>5354839What about we combine both of these options and have them be called:POOP&JIS
>>5354842This could be their code/name among the mechanicus:121/120/120/121/-101/100/201/ this is trinary code, which spells our poop-jis
>>5354846 sorry, ternary code, not trinary
>>5354785Guilliman can fuck off with his space book, he has no authority over the legion that the Emperor gave to the Mechanicum. So we have no need to give excuses like the Black Templars or lie like the Dark Angels.So if we split into the council with votes for the Praetors, it's because we want to, not because he asked. We do it the way we want to, and he better be glad for it.>>5354791Sounds good for me. But having a council as well might be good. It would let each chapter become more specialized while still maintaining contact if (when) the Imperium becomes less connected.>>5354817Got to prepare for the worst. Someone that is paranoid like TalOS would definatly add a clause on how to organize the legion if he dies and the backups fails.
>>5354849Guilliman's space book was written after post heresy depression anyway.Pre-Heresy Guilliman is cool and all into the whole Legion thing.
>>5354849A thought I had was to passively encourage the chapters to try new stuff so that others can adopt or discard according to the results.
>>5354214Support>>5354222>>5354791I'd like to see blueberry boy try to force the second to shatter, especially when the mechanicus backs them
>>5354901On the contrary, we'll gladly split up into chapters. Surely that's what we'll already have been doing by then.But what Guilliman doesn't realize is, how effective is splitting up into chapters if all the chapter masters still maintain noospheric communique with the Praetors and Lucius Sector High Command?Different name, Status Quo.
>>5354785I don't think that our legion will splinter after the heresy after all the space marines fall under imperial jurisdiction while we fall and the 2nd under the mechanicus jurisdiction. unless the order come from the fabricator general (assuming were not it) the imperium can't do shit.in short no ones is splitting up our legion without our say so (unless we get ganked in the heresy)
>>5354927And Talos is going to do everything in his absolute damn power not to get ganked. or if he gets ganked, have an escape route for his brain. A body can be rebuilt.
>>5354779Like the incubi from the drukhari
>>5354564>Not wanting to wave out girthy mechadendrites against the Rangdan xenos and help our loyal brothers where we are needed the most>Wanting to do what the smurfs did for the eastern frontnothing
Fuse them all together>>5354219>>5354221Dual Leadership (With some mixing)>>5354222>>5354308>>5354357>>5354440>>5354754>>5354254>>5354254>>5354236The other>>5354269>>5354523I think this is it. most wanna do the dual mix (And likely the Chapter idea for each Forge World which honestly I was planning on for some time.)
>>5354981Do we wanna keep the title as Legion Master or go for Praetor, or something else entirely. Personally I prefer Legion Master,
>>5355071Praetor is the official rankWe can call it something more personal like the 20 legions had.Something greco like the Acillians or something Jermanic. Or perhaps one for both?Legion Master Acillian = ExarchLegion Master Astartes = Legionsmeister
>>5355076Acillians and Astartes will be mixed by the vote. They will at least share the same title.
>>5355081Heh, we could go with Legio Dominus.
>>5355076Strategos is always an option aswell.
Unlike the silence that was held before, when the Primarch was thinking of how to weigh a more simple matter, now the two were held in the grip of the man. You would think that asking how one diverts their resources would have been more of an issue, but that is where one is the most wrong when it comes to military matters. It is the structure that matters the most. A realm can have the greatest amount of resources available but if it failed to innovate in the realm of delegation it would fail. While it might not be thought to be innovation, the scheme of authority that a military had was indeed one. That your scheme of military matters must follow the needs of the society they are to serve. A more centralized military would mean a united and strong force. One that if tactics, resources, and aptitude were on par would destroy a decentralized foe. The other way around, a decentralized structure might not be as strong as the united it makes up for that in reactiveness. That is to ignore the idea of corruption with this organizational structure. As such the weight of the decision was something that could not be asked for quickly and without extreme thought. This thought was something that would require an entire room of barons and kings along with the centuries of already established practices to really realize the endevor. Such things were now within the mind of a single man. Primarch he may be, even his own kin equal to him will shatter under such immense weight. Thus the two watched the Primarch, his hands no longer moving as if all inputs were removed from them. Any beeps or sounds of Machine Spirits silent as he removed himself from their workings. To the Astartes, the only things they could hear from the Primarch was the ever clicking sound of cogitators writing numerous lines of code. All in an endeavor to assist their master in this moment of thought. And somehow, within this Fortress that forever placed pressure upon the souls who dared enter it, the Astartes felt the pressure of thought. Not one of presence, of an immense charisma that beings like Horus and Leman had in their stark times of working with the respective warlords. No, this was the pressure that came not from the outside but from the inside. Their minds, which should have been robbed of a Primarch’s presence, organically created it through the rationalization of human thought. Rationalized fear and awe.
For what must have been an agonizing moment of silence to which even the Tech Priests around him fell silent, the head of the Primarch turned towards his fellow throne bearer. In an instant communication was held between the two that could not be heard by everyone. Vadar realized that it was the Noosphere that granted them such perfect privacy. As if confirming what he had decided the arms of the Primarch retracted and he spoke, “I have been wondering about such a thing for a long time now. I had wondered when I should make such a declaration. You have given onto me a great demand that I can only see myself obligated to fulfill. Not even my brothers, blessed may they be, cannot carry such good will as you do today.” Vadar could hear the skipping of Matthias’s heart. For a Legion Master to be so easily compared to a Primarch was something they could rarely ever expect. While they still wished to be respected they are still lesser than their Father’s kin ultimately. “What you call me, Primarch, is in reference to being the leader of just a Legion. From the reports I have seen there are indeed numerous auxilia of humans that they might host, largely they are a host of Astartes.” The Primarch laid out as they looked at what could easily be mistaken as a giant human who wore the most perfect armor. The Primarch made a wave of his hand as he took over the display and showed a series of soldiers with Horus Lupercal at the front of them all, “That is the definition of a Primarch ultimately, a Demi-God who was crafted through the wisdom of my creature to lead his Astartes armies. But as you have learned I do not fulfill this definition, I am only a Primarch by title instead of action.” That was a declaration was something none would expect a being of his caliber to make. It was paradoxical to the Astartes to register such words within their engineered minds. A Primarch who was not a Primarch. That is like saying water isn’t water. It went against their reality.” “I am Arch Dominus and Princep TalOS DAV1S of Lucius, or if referred to by brethren Sanctus Dominus. I am a general over men, not just Astartes.” He said before his eyes glazed upon Vadar, “As such, I need those who can step into the role of Primarch.”
To those words the two Astartes were speechless. Not only did the Primarch reject his duties but he was giving it to another. The two of them have seen what happens to Legions, how the previous Legion Master is placed as First Company Captain that serves their father faithfully. That was an honor that all Legion Masters would wish to have. But this was even greater than that. “For the moment you shall continue to be Legion Master of the 2nd, but as we both know such a role might be too much for one soul to fill. Especially when it was meant for a being superhuman like myself and the Legion will grow ten fold.” “O-Of course Father!” Vadar said gladly as he bowed his head, “Who shall become my brother in arms.” “Mitarii AL4N. He is one of the first Acillians I have created and served me faithfully for all these years. The two of you will serve dual posts, under which will be both Acillian and Astartes in equal measure.” Declared TalOS as he looked upon his son, “AL4N has immense talent and knowledge of his brothers, while you have the experience of a dozen campaigns already. Rely upon one another and grow together.” “Of course father!” Declared the Legion Master of the 2nd as he bowed his head. The eyes TalOS looked upon his son were favorable ones, even if they could not be seen. They had easily searched the soul of the man before him, and did not find him wanting. “Does that answer your question, Matthias?” TalOS asked as he turned back towards the Imperial Fist.“It does, Arch Dominus TalOS.” The Imperial Fist called out as he gave a courteous bow, “I shall make sure all of the Imperial Fists and Imperium know of your true title.” “Do not worry yourself with the rest of the Imperium, they will learn in time.” TalOS placated as he waved his hand, “For now, make my brother proud.” “I shall.” Legion Master Matthias said as he turned around and left the Bridge. >The War Council>Examining the one who killed the Overlord>Check on the interspace communication and what others have been up to.
>>5355117>Examining the one who killed the OverlordAlexander deserves an upgrade after that last stunt no?
>>5355117>Check on the interspace communication and what others have been up to.
>>5355117>Examining the one who killed the Overlord
>>5355117>Examine the ork killer
>>5355117>Examining the one who killed the OverlordSeraph time.
I'm unsure if its common for legions to have more than one Praetor, or if there were just a lot of deaths among some of the other legion Praetors, but like jeeze the EC had a whole bunch of different praetors.https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Praetor_(Space_Marine)The correct terminology for the Legions true 2nd in command should be "Praetorate of the Ancients of the Legion" so perhaps the "Seniormost Praetor" or even a first among equals type deal.Calling them Legionmaster is more succinct though. I like Legio Dominus cause its more Mechanicus oriented.
"Legio" typically means in organization in warhammer. i.e. Legio Cybernetica or Legio Titanica. "Legatus Dominus" would be better.
Gotta say its nice that Talos is able to take something of an off hands approach to war, or rather, that he can rely upon an intelligent and generally competent team of mortals and astartes to achieve victory. Talos may not be the only Primarch who leads a host of mortals per say, Perturabo and Roboute both made regular use of mortal auxilia, but they were certainly hands on generals (especially Pert). Talos will intervene where necessary. But unlike Perturabo whose focus was the efficiency of the troops and supplies he has, and Guilliman whose focus was the tactical efficiency and initiative of his soldiers, Talos values the the efficiency of the means of war and materiel production. What you have at the front is in direct relation to what you have being built in the rear. He'll provide the war machines, the technology, the troops, now use that to achieve victory.And unlike the Imperial Army, it isn't just brilliant generals and commanders he forces can rely upon, but the wisdom of machine, algorithim, and the noosphere. For as brilliant as any Imperial Army General can be, as fast as his messengers and vox beads are, as old as his rejuvenates have let him live, how could they possibly compare to a brilliant Domini backed up by the collective knowledge of so many priests and blessed by assurance pf a strategy approved as the greatest possibility of success via calculation?What we've lost in abandoning Primarch presence, we've gained through the respect and competence of a myriad of subordinates. In that regard, we might have achieved what Guililman was hoping to encourage among his own sons. The ability to analayze, adapt, and compute a solution to the problems of war.
>>5355117>The War Councilgather the boys (and UZI)
>>5355117>>5355114>>5355111This update gave me chills>>Examining the one who killed the Overlord.>>5355127 No no, his name now is... ISKANDAR
I have already have ajob. Good thing I have you two as stand ins. Congratulations on getting promoted!
>>5354828>mfw there are three Tal0s cogitating around>mfw they feel the need to destroy eachother because THEY are the real Tal0s
>>5355157I support naming our Praetors "Legatus Dominus">>5355676"I am the commander of this army. The Son of Lucius has granted me the title 'Dominus'. And the time to serve him has come once more."
>>5355686>Not fusing to create Super TalOS
>>5355737It's what TalOS would do. What Techpriest wouldn't have multiple slave minds?Even the Necrons do this! Just look at Oltyx and his subordinate minds.
We should focus more on Genetor stuff, let's steal the title of Clone Lord from that cuck Fabius Bile.
>>5355780Partially agree, I think genetor work is important but given the issues with clones and souls in the 40K verse that could lead us toward some bad shit down the road
>>5355775But someone has to be the slave and someone has to be the master :^)
>>5355117>>Examining the one who killed the Overlord>>5355860keep it in your pants anon
>>5355900As in kill eachother until one remains you dummy, not BDSM. You are the one that needs their head and soul cleansed by the ordo
>>5355947after that wink emoji, nah matealso cringe
>>5355947Gachimuchi is an art form of the ancients, it must be given the proper respects.
>>5355977I think my meme post didn't got through.It should appear now.
>>5355978Yup, there it is.Good ol 4chan sometimes not showing a post if another one is sent at the same time.
>>5356026I was talking about the memes editing songs with Aniki and Van Darkholme, but I guess that works too.
>>5356043Actually, reading that article I don't think it's the same thing, that one seems to be sincere instead of high quality shitposting.
Question. We're so rich, would Talos likely do what the Dark Angels did and arm the entire 1st Company with Termie/Artificer armor and make it an elite company?Feels like he would do that.
>>5356076 I thought he had already done that.
>>5356082The Steel Wardens perhaps, but I treat the Steel Wardens as being more akin to the Inner Circle than Deathwing, unless it is an entire Company.Which I can see him doing. Surely a man interested in his own safety would be so inspired by the Emperor's creation of an entire Lifesguard division that he would mimic it on his own.
>>5356094 Look, I don't see this as a bad idea, but wouldn't it be more productive to invest these resources in increasing the production of sibling lines? Having the most numerous legion would be more productive in the future, to be honest I'm even putting together in my head a new systematic model to spread throughout the cult, focusing all forge worlds on producing as much material as possible, at any cost. With the aim of increasing the military strength of Mars on a par with the Empire. A five-step program called:>F.E.C.E.S. But some of the details still need further refinement.
>>5356104I see no reason why we cannot ramp up production to a massive scale such that we can afford your idea and giving our 1st Company "Dragonguards" the best gear we can possibly afford them.Surely the Dark Angels don't have to be the only Legion that can afford being the biggest as well as having a whole company outfitted with Terminators.
>>5356106 Well I don't know how officially in lore they got so much material to flaunt like that. But if my plan is possible we will have Knight regiments to complement our forces, in this possible scenario a company of terminators would be purely to flex on the other legions.
>>5356113>Well I don't know how officially in lore they got so much material to flaunt like that.Daddy's other favorite legion. The Luna Wolves were his pride and joy, but the Dark Angels were the one's that did whatever shit he asked and did it quietly no matter what it was. The Son you bring to award ceremonies vs the Son you know you can always call on to get shit done.
Visit Alexander>>5355127>>5355136>>5355139>>5355141>>5355180>>5355378>>5355675>>5355900Communication with the Imperium>>5355131>>5355154War Council>>5355502
The pain was there, that pain when one experiences a machine’s death. It was a devastating one for no human should be able to experience death. Though the power of the Machines though one can experience the absolute pain of being lost to oblivion. It was something that few could still stand when they had experienced it. Alexander however did not regret what he had done for a second. He looked upon his right arm with the limb aching with power and might. The subtle flashes of strength and power flowing through his veins. In the moment where Navaros Dominus died he also felt the greatest exaltation of his lifetime. “Did you feel the Machine God in those moments?” Fredric Borgius asked as he looked over at his fellow from a nearby chair. “...” The Prince stayed silent as he strained his arm again, “How did you describe it?”“As if the Steed was in full repair, a moment of absolute strength that could not be rivaled.” “Then I did.” Admitted the Prince as he formed a fist, “Is that what you wanted to ask me about?” There was a sudden shuffle among some of the guards in the room upon those words. Though those who could be described as more than human did not move an inch upon such a fiery spoken word. As expected of the Steel Wardens, those who were tasked to secure the highest level of Tech Priests and now the one who killed the Overlord. Those guards who had sworn themselves to Navaros though had moved.Fredric leaned back as he spoke, “It was not the only thing, but it was something I wanted to know. It is evident that the Machine God looks fondly upon the Knights of Dutonis and have granted upon us miracles.” “Miracles…” There was a moment of ponderment within those words, “It could have been the last moment of Atlas’s divine will.” “As a gift from the Machine God to him, I am sure.” Answered Fredric as he took out a small apple and began cutting, “What of those last moments, what did you feel?” Alexander looked upon Fredric with a dirty stare, “I cannot let you talk to me like I am some sort of child. That is a grave disrespect to House Navaros Fredric.”“Then banish me.” The other Prince said as the two locked eyes.
The two stared at one another, a burning hatred from one to the other. The idea of being treated so lowly was something that a Prince should never experience from his equal. He should not be putting up with such a reprimand!But then he focused upon his fellow. There was no malice, no desire to bring him down. Fredric simply asked him that question because he could. “In those moments I had completed what our forefathers could only have dreamed of. In the moment of Navaros Dominus’s death I had completed the greatest feat known to our Knights yet.” He answered as a fist was raised into the sky in remembrance, “I avenged Atlas.” “I… wonder how the greater galaxy will hear of that deed.” Answered Prince Alexander as he spoke once again. “There has only been three times that has happened yet. One killed by Horus Lupercal, and the other two by the Master of Mankind.” “So… I’ve done something only demi-gods have done before.” Fredric gave a small nod as he heard the hope within the man’s voice, “While I have killed a Gargant that is of the God-Machines, yours is of one who might be equal to a Primarch. Your name will be sung by the greatest of bards for all years to come.” Alexander felt himself go silent again as he thought about those words. The honor of being known as a Demi-God slayer placed upon him. But in the end he held himself up with honor, and as he looked upon his fellow he had only one word to say. “Thanks.” “You are welcome.” Answered the Prince as he handed the peeled apple, “We both serve the Machine God, there should no longer be animosity between us.” There was a small chuckle from the Prince as he took the apple, “We shall see. I believe my legend is becoming greater than yours.” “Then I shall endeavor to beat it.” The Prince answered back as the door opened. And in that moment the two looked upon the metal mask of a giant. While they were not gripped by his presence, their knowledge of him did. “May I come in?” Asked the man as he stood at the door. “You are allowed, Sanctus Dominus.” Answered Prince Alexander as he tried his best to give a bow. >>Same as before lol>Rebuild Navaros Dominus>Custom Job time! >Similar to Arch Angelus, but replacing that seige claw with The Fist of Atlas.
>>5356261Plan is for an early post tomorrow.
>>5356261>Similar to Arch Angelus, but replacing that seige claw with The Fist of Atlas.
>>5356261>Custom Job time!>But add the Fist of AtlasI'll let SoN come up with the details, but I suggest something that can complement the Arch Angelus, either by enhancing their strengths or covering up their weaknesses.
>>5356276Oh, and it'a not like I'm trying to order him around.It's just that he has suggested very detailed custom plans everytime, so I'm just expecting he will do it again.
>>5356076I thought the first company was going to be tanks with brains but alright
>>5356258Oh God I thought I saw angel beats for a moment. Aargh remember when the characters started dissapearing at the end of the show? maaaaaaaaaaaaan the feels
>>5356261>>Similar to Arch Angelus, but replacing that seige claw with The Fist of Atlas.NICE This one will also have a KICKASS harpoon?
Actually I appreciate the vote of confidence. I've had the fortune to play a 40k style game with a fellow anon here and it's truly help make the stats on wahapedia make sense.My dillema is that both houses of Dutonis appear to be melee knight houses. Which is of course the more common. Tbh I kinda wish we had access to House Vulker, not only a Mechanicum Questoris house but one that specifically values "slaying foes from afar before they reach enemy lines". That would fit our ranged firepower loving legion well too. They are in Segmentum Pacificus so perhaps for a future war we can hire their services and offer them some planets.House Vulker would allow us a number of ranged based strategies and relics such as an Oathbreaker Guidance System to allow our knights to target enemy commanders regardless of their bodyguards, or access to the "Unremitting" martial tradition that makes their blast weapons blow up twice the number of foes. We would make more use of weapons like Gravity Singularity Cannons. But the ways of Dutonis are Choppa, not Dakka.QM was right in that going by default stats the Cerastus is the melee superior choice over Acastus. Although the acastus has 30 wound points to the Cerastus 26, the Cerastus has a base Weapons Skill of 3+ or higher vs the Acastus 4+ or higher to hit. And the Cerastus is faster at 12" movement vs the Acastus 8".That being said I'd want to believe that Talos has the technical know how to tweak an acastus to be able to do the tango with better servo motors and such. If the Arlatax is a Domitar but fast and made for melee, and the Telemon is a dreadnought for a custodes nimble enough to sprint and do interpretive dance, what stops Talos from pimping out an acastus to have 12" movement and the agility for 3+ Weaponskill? (Or armoring up a Cerastus to give it 30 wounds. But bigger is always better imo) If Talos cant deviate from given rules and stats we may wish to instead upgrade Alexander with appropriate melee buffs. Perhaps recommending he take up Knight of Swords battle trait which would give him +1 Weapon Skill.Oooooor. . .because we already have Frederick as our Melee knight, if you guys want to "cover weaknesses" we could push for Aleksander to become our ranged knight. The Acillian to Frederics Astartes. He did after all go forth to reach out and slay the enemy commander.The way I'd see it is we would swear House Navaros as a Mechanicum Questoris house, not an Imperial Questoris house. Then we ask if he would like to pay a visit and learn from House Vulker, perhaps to gain their good relations (I forget if hes married if he isnt he could even marry into them). This could allow House Navaros to count as benefitting from the House Vulker rules, allowing us to mold them into our ranged knight arm.
>>5356422Well actually I would love to have an all dreadnought company. I'm actually studying very hard on rules of space marine codex and combined with learning to play the game attempting to adapt them for the 2nd legion. Mostly by cobbling together and reflecting some rules from other chapters where appropriate like the iron hands "Reject Flesh embrace the Machine" strategem and thus.So yeah, if we can one up Lions all termi company with an all dread company. . .fuck yeah. I'd vote the shit out of that.>>5356474When I get home I'll try and post a decent cerastus build but yeah if you guys wanted to have a ranged and a melee knight house that's a way we could do it.It would basically be applying the "Fealty to the Cog" Household rule.
It's funny but to Dutonis credit, they have kept such fantastic care for their STCs theres virtually no knight pattern or weapon seemingly beyond our reach. We actually dont have to devote any research to knights cause. . .we got it all. Armigers, Cerastus, Acastus, Dominus. Only thing I havent seen available maybe are Moriax.This in comparison to the sad state of our vehicular and infantry forces. We are throwing Skitarii into the meat grinder when we should be throwing Tech Thralls into the meat grinder. Not even sure on our vehicles I havent seen eye nor ear of even a Malcador so I'm inclined to believe we are still even working on mass implementing those. We at least have gained access to the Thalaxii so that's going to take some time.Can only imagine how much more frustrating it would be if all Dutonis had to offer was Armigers from the age of strife and we had to tack on "rediscover the Knight patterns" to our long list of things to restore. No wonder they seem to be our true main arm.
>>5356474>>5356479Well, whatever build you settle upon I'll support.I still think both the Dutonis houses won't even need convincing to serve mechanicum at this point, at most just need it to make it official. If being part of tge Lucian federation doesn't already garantee it.
>>5356512Arkhand Land invented those.He hasnt done his famous expedition yet as far as I'm aware. We havent even met the man yet, and hes one of the big techpriest names I hope to see.
>>5356261>Similar to Arch Angelus.
Tbh.If Arkhan Land can invent an entirely new Tank pattern, what does stop Talos from inventing a tank pattern of his ownOr even a Knight Pattern, a brand new one with his name on it. The Knight Talosian?
>>5356261>>Custom Job!>>Prince Aleksander, Lancer of Navaro(I'd like to imagine hes good. not Canis Rex good, but pretty darn good with the upgrades we'll give him. Fluff incoming in next post)Also DID SOMEBODY SAY MAGRAIL HARPOONS AND PILEBUNKER?>-Name: Prince Aleksander>-40 Power>-Base (Use Acastus Model)>-No 1 M12" (10", 8") WS3+ BS2+ S8 T8 W 30 (16-30, 8-15, 1-7)>-Prince Aleksander is equipped with 1 Talosian Prototype Mag-Acellerator Harpoon; 1 (Shoulder Mounted) Cyclonic Melta Lance; 6 Oathbreaker Cognis Missiles; Titanic FeetTalosian Prototype Mag-Acellerator Harpoon(Shooting) 42" Heavy 1 S16 AP-6 D10"Each time an attack is made with this ) weapon against anMONSTERorVEHICLEunit (excludingAIRCRAFT), add 1 to that attack’shitroll. Each time an attack made with this weapon is allocated to a model, that model’s unit suffers 3mortalwoundsin addition to the normal damage."(Melee) Standard S+6 AP-4 D8(Melee) Charge Sx2 AP-4 D10Oathbreaker Cognis Missile = Shieldbreaker Missile + Ignores "Look Out Sir!"Ion Gauntlet Shield (Same as baseline)
>>5356653FAQWhat is this?: Its an Acastus sized Knight that Talos pimped the Servo motors so its fast and can fight in melee. Just because it's big doesnt meant it has to be slow! (Just like Big E's golden boys and Big E himself)What's the Prototype Mag Acellerator Harpoon?: Exactly what it sounds like. Talos delving into Federation Era Tech to create a weapon that launches its Adamantium tipped harpoon with even greater electromagnetic force than the original variety for longer range. At short range it can unleash this incredible pent up potential energy at point blank like a Pilebunker.Oathbreaker Missiles?: Missiles designed to kill enemy leadersWhy?"Prince Federeick slew monsters. You Alexander slew the enemy commander. I need a Knight willing to get as close to the enemy leader as possible and dispatch them with contempt"
>>5356261>>Similar to Arch Angelus, but replacing that seige claw with The Fist of Atlas.i just go with this, cause him kiling the overlord with that claw was fucking awesome, so give him more of that
Atlas was an Imperator no? Unless I'm mistaken and it was something else.Kinda wondering how we would put the fist of Atlas on any knight when its fist is likely as big as any knight. An acastus would be able to ride on an Imperators shoulders. Unless were reforging it down into a reaver power fist or other weapon.
>>5356814Don't take it literally, it would be a specifically made weapon, named after atlas
>>5356261>Custom Job time!
>>5356658Shield Breaker Missile is a weapon on the Castellan Knight. You can see it on this ones top here for example.
>>5356814Atlas was an AI. I think that would be pretty obvious since he is responsible for making most of the Knight STCs. The Fist is just named after him. Said fist, which is essentially a sacred artefact now, might be given a few upgrades as well as unnatural things happening to it.
>>5356653>>ADENDUM>A much better picture of the Arch Seraphim (Modified Fast Acastus) datasheetNow with 100% more Fist of Atlas, because fuck shield gauntlets just PUNCH more
>>5356865Does anything stop Talos from just swapping out the Helios Defense Missile pod for some shield breakers?If we absolutely have to limit its number the original number of 4 so be it. I was hoping Talos could just use his Technowizardry to shrink the size of the shield breakers so they fit in the six slots of the Helios Defense Missile battery (or just modify the Helios Defense Missiles to act like Shieldbreakers under a different name)Alternatively, if you are just flat out against Kitbashing for the quest, I'd understand that too. Declaring that no kitbashing is allowed would actually make coming up with designs a lot more clear if we must follow given GW models.But it will leave Talos with a big hole in his heart when he sees how others like Land get to invent, lorewise, completely new things by jamming stuff together lol>>5356867By all means. For the stats in >>5356869 I just copied the Freedom's Hand buuut if you have an even better more awesomer fist in mind use it!
>>5356869That's pretty nice of us to give Alexander a handgun. A dismounted knight should still be prepared to fight!>>5356874>No kitbash>Greenskins laughing at us because its pre-indomitus so they can still make looted vehicles from everything that movesArkhan Land was able to build a never before seen tank in a cave! With a box of scraps!
>>5356869Why not make his special ability: Slayer of the Overlord: When determining the honor level of this model, it is always Virtuous. No need to deal with Mentor stuff.
IIRC several baneblade variants were created by taking Titan weapons and strapping them onto baneblade tank chassis. Even the Imperium gets Orkish tendencies sometimes
>>5356893Good idea. I only copied that from Canis Rex, but your suggestion is better.From what I gather, Honor points are related to oaths. The higher the honor rank based on points (Honored, Virtuous) you get good bonuses. If Alexansder were to take the oath "Lay Low The Tyrants" (which I think he should, given he slew the Overlord), he can make one roll into a natural 6 and reap the benefits. Extremely useful in the right time and place especially if anons are okay with making him our enemy leader slayer.
>>5356821Pimp my knight
>>Similar to Arch Angelus, but replacing that seige claw with The Fist of Atlas.
>>5356653>>5356902>>SupportIf a possible goals is to make TalOS into a dreadnought but agile like custodes telemon, then testing it out on a Knight is a good first step.
>>5356261>Support:>>5356653 It's really cool to see a Mmster working..
>>5356902>SupportPrince Navarro does deserve a personal weapon the next time someone tries to drop in uninvited into his cockpit.
>>5356902Forgot to adjust the movement stat for those pimped out Servo-motors.I don't' recall if Talos saw any of the Emperor's Custodes when he last met, or on Terra when visiting Malcador, but I 100% believe he would fanboy over every inch of their gear. The sublime technological perfection, the orderliness of the auramite/adamantium alloy down to the molecular level. He'd definitely want to mimic it.
>>5357123Don't forget the gene editing, each one a custom job.
>>5357123 Nano do you remember that I said before about that idea I had for a new system like F.A.G.? So I finished writing it, it was almost 1000 words. Since you are the most active person on this thread I ask you.>Do I pass this to an online document for anyone who wants to read it or do I post the text as it is?
>>5357177not another essay damn it. I keep thinking QM wrote an update just to realize what was up later
>>5357177Drop it on a pastebin and link it here.
>>5357177Duuude I want to see it. Make a google doc and link it! Maybe allow comments and such.
WIPWARNING:-Made by someone whose only played 2e Necromunda but watched a bunch of 9e vids and tried to get the jist of it-Balance? What's that? Does it taste like rule of cool?-Everything in here is basically a refluffed equivalent version of something else from the codex+supplements, but some are more equal than others-I like ranged firepower and big armor-Half (or more) of this stuff we obviously have not done its more idea posting/brainstorming/dreaming of what could be-1st Company Dreadguard = Dreadnought Company Lifeguard for Talos-2nd Company Dragonguard = Armored Terminator Fist that we send out on assault missions-Fuck you Lion how come you get three different unique Detachment abilities, why can't we have three different unique Detachment abilitiesWould LOVE someone to help make this more viable/balanced/not bad
>>5357226So I says to myself: "If Perturabo is the Siege and Ruin tech guys, Salamanders are the Fire and Artisan tech Guys, and Iron Hands are the Repair and Hard-ass tech guys, what kinda tech guys could the 2nd legion be?The DAKKA tech Guys!"
>>5357187 I have finally finished my proposal for a guidebook for forged worlds. A set of technologies, advice and suggestions with the objective of increasing the individual productivity of each one of them. This five-step program in its final form will be known as F.E.C.E.S. Something similar to the IMF recommendations, in our world. Here goes:https://pastebin.com/iTQZms9i>All I ask is that you give me your suggestion or your vote to spread F.E.C.E.S throughout the galaxy.
>>5356653So those who voted custom jobs and those who voted for Similar to Angelus voted for the same thing. So with that in mind and a chance to apply some variety I'mma switch out the Harpoon with the Plasma Annihilator (Cawl's Wrath Edition) since Alexander is more of an infantry muncher than a big monster killer like Fredric.
>>5357327Even better! Guess we are being a bit of Cawl ahead of Cawl after all. Warbosses count as infantry right?
¡¡Brothers and Sisters!! Blessed be all that is bathed in the gaze of the Machine God.I have a question. Is this the sign of the cog?
also damn this is cute and STC compliant.
>>5357360That's Felicia Tayber iirc. Another reason for me to get around to reading the Ciaphas Cain books>>5357359The nice thing about the sign of the cog is you can make it with two people
>>5357359personally I imagine the fingers are angled diagonally (upwards) interlocking at near the knuckles with thumbs almost touching.
“I thank you.” Answered the being as he took a step into the room with a small smile. The being that was TalOS was something many would argue was not a man. Walking into the room he could easily be described as the size of a Titan compared to a Knight. In the moments Alexander looked upon the man that was the feeling he got. But he was not really afraid besides the size. The Sanctus Dominus was wearing the standard gard of the Mechanicum, a black steel robe that many would claim to have been a simple black. The eyes of Alexander had been trained though as he recognized the color to be much closer to adamantium than anything else. As he came to the side of Prince’s bed he gave a courteous bow in acknowledgement. A simple gesture that one would give to an equal or lesser. It was likely the Blackstone Fortress or his injuries, but Alexander could not really tell which was which. Though would he complain about being the lesser of the Sanctus Dominus? The one who many of his own vassals claim to be a prophet? The answer is simply no. How infact can he complain about being lesser to a man who he took orders from. Maybe it was a moment of dishonor, but his Father wished for Alexander to learn from him. So he would. “I must apologize, Prince Alexander, but the warboss has permanently claimed the life of Navaros Dominus. While we could attempt to return your steed to operation, it will be debilitated.” The prince looked upon his arm as he strained it, “Was there at least a miracle?” “The Thunderstrike Gauntlet has been recovered from the Questorus Knight.” Answered the Priest as he gave a subtle wave of his hand, “It was a magnificent weapon to have stayed operable for as long as it had.” “So his hand has stayed operable?” Asked the Prince with a sense of wonder. “I understand you are referring to Atlas?” The Tech Priest correctly hypothesized as he gave a sure nod, “You are correct.” With those words the Prince relaxed, “In the name of House Navaros, I thank you.”
“You do not need to thank me for you are the one to achieve a great feat. With the death of the Ork Overlord our foe has since disbanded from the region. We will need to continue our conquest through the region but that is for a lesser force.” “The Mitu shall be next?” Asked Prince Fredric a good sense of foreboding within his voice. “They shall be.” Answered the commander of their united forces. “Shall I have a new steed when we enter their system?” Asked the Prince as he looked upon TalOS with a determination and fire that he held within. “You will. I have already requisitioned the parts and adamantium needed to start its construction. It shall be a mighty machine capable of wiping out entire hordes as well as wielding the gauntlet that we recovered.” “Such mighty power…” TalOS slipped out from his sleeve a dataslate that was hidden from within, “It shall all be contained in the Cerastus pattern that has been devised from Mars, just as Arch Angelus. The mystics of which was comprehended with the application of Dutonation STCs and first used to create Arch Angelus. Now you will have your own.” “As long as I can confirm my legacy, grant me whatever steed you can. As long as it carries with it the Hand of Atlas.” “And it shall.” TalOS said as he placed the data slate on the Prince’s lap, “Your recovery shall be done within four days, two of which will have to be taken within the warp. I am sorry I cannot grant you better recovery conditions but the war continues.” “Then I shall stay strong in such a time.” Cried out the Prince as his fist tightened with a beastial grip, “I shall rise again.” “That is good. That is good.” Answered TalOS as he rose from his seat, “My apologies if my attendance today is short, Princes of Dutonis, but communications from the wider Mechanicum have arrived. I shall take my leave.” “I thank you for this chance to fight once again!” Shouted Prince Alexander as he gave a mighty laugh, “This is only one step towards my glory.” Underneath the metal shell formed a grin, “Indeed you shall. There are multiple fronts of war, and only so many Domini.”
TalOS exited the room with the grin slowly ebbing away from him. The Primarch looked both ways before entering the hallway in case some neglected Servitor or Skull was making their way through the way. He found none though and began walking. The conquest of the Grail system had been a victory, short of the lives lost one can say a complete victory. There have been some human words discovered to have been under the enslavement of the Orks. These were a minority though as the Orks were wiped out. With numerous systems of Orks wiped and resources available the colonization of these planets is a given. Numerous Priests from the Reconquista had already devoted themselves to the task and swore themselves to be a part of the Federation. Many of them came with small cohorts of humans however, thus manpower was being drained from planets like Helmnut. The last time TalOS had examined the Hive Cities their populations had drastically dropped from before Lucius found them. Large swaths of the cities were reportedly drained of manpower as with the arrival of the Reconquista the only reason the planet was not tapped was removed. In the greater scheme of this, this was for the best as leaving so many people there would only be a waste of manpower. As TalOS thought this he had made his way to the upper parts of the Blackstone Fortress. The number of Tech Priests and Servitors decreased drastically as he approached the Choirs. The place itself can be said to be the most normal feeling of the Blackstone Fortress, simply by purview of being the one with the most Candles. In the end though the Choir was still heavily hampered by the presence of the Fortress, thus the need for hundreds of psykers was necessary for the main fleet to receive them. And since hundreds of psykers was hard to defend in a standard corvette or destroyer, they were all forced upon the Blackstone Fortress. TalOS did not get too far into the sanctuary as the sound of a Servo Skull buzzing came into his ears, the Primarch turned to see the Astropath Transcendent walking towards him. As TalOS previously understood these blind men would have normally used their psychic abilities to see, but being upon the Blackstone Fortress has robbed them of such an ability. “My Lord.” The old man said as he spoke in TalOS’s general direction, “Thank you for responding to my summons.” >The Status on TalOS’s sons with Malcador>Blank Project>Correspondence from his brothers.
>>5357476>Blank Projectand since I'm imagining the message is from Malcador we can kill two bird's with one stone.>The Status on TalOS’s sons with Malcador
Aww no fast Acastus? Oh well. I hope it's at least snazzier than the average cerastus! Also I wonder how much both princes have chosen to heal vs the parts replaced with bionics. At some point perhaps they may consider embracing the merits of the machine. Why heal a broken leg, when you can simply solder or even replace it?Hmmmm our hive planet abundance is running out faster than I wished. We havent even conquered a sector or remotely tapped into full recruitment potential. Concerning, all the more reason to reorganize after the war. And get more hive worlds. Gotta plan for the conquest of other sectors too."Small Cohorts of Humans"I hope those are the first seeds of the Tech Thralls! One day the backbone of our mortal auxilia.>>5357476>>Blank ProjectThe most important of all those three options, critical to our plans. We can learn what our brothers are up to later and our sons are being treated well under Malcador surely.
>>5357476>Blank ProjectNull, pariahs, blanks no matter what ypu call them, they are blessed by the Machine God, not cursed.
>>5357504It seems it's tapping out way more due to colonizing xenos and deatroyed worlds tha battlefield casualties, so it's less losing manpower and more investing it.After the war and some reforms, the gothic sector is going to be a very populous and rich one.
>Blank Project>Correspondence from his brothers.Malcador will have done good work with our sons. More pressing matters are upon us.
>>5357515Hear hear. And maybe after the war Talos can take a vacation from Domini and take up the role of Archmagos Civilis/Logistica and do some Sim Planet games to make them extra nice.Were a bit ways off from Guilliman. If Manus is found (we as second would have been 4th in canon?) Next up should be Fulgrim iirc.
I hope the project will go well. It got shafted so hard in canon, even in 30k all the sisters did was fight with swords and flamers (and they only kept sisters, the male blanks didnt even get so lucky). Seriously, such wasted potential for an extremely rare group in the galaxy and worse even got scattered until indomitus.I hope those "new technologies" that were being worked on but abandon in canon come to fruition here. And we can put our hand in it too at some point.Give em proper guns not knives.In the very least, I hope xana becomes the first (but hopefully not only) planet for their people.
>>5357476>>Blank ProjectBlanks Blanks Blanks!!! We musta! We gotta! We haveta!
>>5357476>Blank ProjectLet's get going with this.
>>5357242>>5357177Gonna be honest its a little bit too on the nose for funny aspect. The thing is, the other books Talos has written at least have a title which makes sense when not read as an acronym (and for example doesn't exist for the pure sake of the acroynm)"The Forgeworld Administration Guidelines""The Governing of Organized Territory" (unwritten? doesn't feel like we've dug our hand into civilian matters yet)So such a third book must have a Title more than just a collection of six words, such a thing would simply be more an elaborated maxim or catechism rather than a book title. Furthermore, each book appears to follow an ever increasing scale. The fourth book could thereby be something such as the "Command of the Unified Nascent Taghmata"F.A.G = Good governance of a forge planet -> Aimed at Lord Magi of Factorums to unify their planetG.O.T. = Good governance of several planets in a forge system -> Aimed at Archmagos Intendant/Fabricator Generals to unify their star systemC.U.N.T. = Good governance of several star systems and subsectors into a unified whole - Aimed at Systems Command.Such a third book may truly only apply to the Federation, seemingly only we among all mechanicum have taken up the mantle to truly unite an entire sector, where all the other major forge worlds at best only have domain on their local subsectors. But such a book could prove important in the future health of the Federation long into the 40th millenium.As for the actual content of your pastebin:-Definitely agree with the Eugenics/Population Organization methods or attempting them at some point. 40k is full of this sort of stuff from Mechanicum planets where all marriages are arranged for best impact, to famously Gardinaal where obedience to duty was bred into each and every caste so that even the lowliest worker could not refuse to obey their High Lord, anymore than a Tyranid cultist could disobey the hivemind. Organizing populations to provide better recruitment potential for our legion is good-Wombe Vitae is debatable, especially Xana may be against it after their trauma. Perhaps it might be best on a non-mechanicum world like Krieg, or better still, applied to Abhumans like Ogryn. Ogryn are too stupid to pose a threat of subversion like mass produced humans would and may be distanced enough for them not to care-Expansion goes without saying, yes territories should ideally have a bufffer zone and not just be a hard ass forge world surrounded on all sides like in the Heresy. That was, has been, and still is Terra's ultimate weakness too.-Specialization is good-More Knights is good-Colonization is goodI'll try to right my own pastebin thoughts on the exact nature of the FAG and any further book concepts.
>>5357476>Blank Project>>5357504It's gonna be awesome when we get things like techthralls and ogryns. Surprised we haven't encountered any, I thought higher gravity worlds would be more common. We need them since it seems the 2nds current definition of combined arms is "massive human wave attacks supported by giant mobile knight forts and titans and orbital bombardment". We haven't even done a single vehicle turn at all in this entire quest iirc. Which is funny cause we're a mechanicus army and Primarch. We're lucky the grail Orks seem to also have been on the poor side and no vehicles among them too. Even the Mitu don't seem to use war vehicles.
>>5358115Talos should be genuinely horrified at how utterly shitty state of the Mechanicum is. We visit all these different forge worlds to amas a crusade, and virtually all of them only send Auxilia but no vehicle support. I mean, it was considered something special when Columnus unleashed the Pteraxii and those are just skitarii with fancy jetpacks. When that's a noteworthy event, thinks must truly be awful.But if we're struggling and we're so rich our fleets rival some of Emperor's, just imagine how much worse every other Legion is doing. I bet the Space Wolves are still trying to get enough bolters for everyone and are still using fenrisian axes and cleavers. The Solar Auxilia are probably hoarding onto every single Malcador tank as if they were made of solid gold.More evidence the Martians have lost the mandate of digital heaven. Even holy Mars had no beasts of war to give to us. The Machine God shows his displeasure against their ineptitude through a famine of War Beasts.
>>5358126>Mars, the red planet, has lost the mandate of heavenGreat, now you made me think of chinese tech priests with a technocarcy that is a fusion of imperial bueaurocracy and communism.
>>5358126Even Lucius isn't making tanks yet, so many worlds fall short of even the most basic tenants of the FAG. It will be another sign of our divinity when we free the Imperium from this famine of war machines and make the first Imperial tank battalion. Not even Mars can be relied upon for such a task.
TalOS when he dreams of showing the world the wonders of the Machine God and glories of the Mechanicum, but instead gets 2000 Imperial Army messages desperately begging to convert agri-tractors into workable battletanks and self propelled artillery because not even Mars can
>>5357476>Blank Projectwanna see the kids again
>>5358156so this but not genestealer?
>>5358138>Even Lucius isn't making tanks yet>isn't making tanks yet>isn't. making. tanks >T.A.N.K.SHERESY!! Why are we not making tanks? Have we forgot even the basics of combined arms warfare?!! No. NO!! I WILL NOT LET THIS STAND! FUCK WAITING FOR GUILLIMAN’S SPACE BOOK, WE WILL MAKE OUR OWN AND HAVE THE ADMECH LEARN EVERY WORD OF IT!THEY. WILL. MAKE. TANKS! OR SO BY THE MACHINE GOD I WILL HIT THEM WITH MY SHOE!!More seriously though, we are very much a rabble of high-tech infantry with mobile siege platforms(titans) and frontier automatons(knights), we seriously need a more varied and effective/efficient fighting force. We have learned a lot during our fighting with xenos and I believe that we(TalOS) should atleast have a pretty defined understanding of what it is we lack, what we have and how to use it best. SO, I would propose that we make another book(Maybe more a long report) on what kinds of units it is that we lack, what we need, what we want and what should be made in the future according to our calculations/predictions.
>>5358196What we lack:Armoured fighting vehicles; we don’t have any by my reckoning and that is a travesty. They are a very useful support vehicle that would let us more easily manoeuvre our troops and support them with some more heavy firepower than a regular(skitarii and astartes) can bring to the field.Main battle tanks; we don’t have any and, to be honest, we currently don’t need any of them right now. They would be nice to have in the future as i am sure we are going to fight plenty of orks and their mekboys, but we currently have a very good substitute in the form of knights.Artillery, both light and siege; i don’t believe it has ever been mentioned that we have any siege pieces other than the titans? (i may be wrong) But since our current doctrine favours either rapid movement of troops following a great orbital bombardment or attrition warfare, having some siege units could be useful.Support companies/vehicles: It might be that we have them, but they are never mentioned (since a good support company is never spoken off, but always felt), but if we don’t have them, we really should get them. Having our troops run out of supplies is a death sentence waiting to happen.Air vehicles: We just straight up don’t have any. No fighters, no bombers, no close-air support, none, nada, zilts! This is not very good.Naval vehicles: We don’t have any and it is no big loss.Orbital vehicles: We don't have a great selection of ships to choose from. Sure, we have “A fleet”, but it is not standardised, lacks dedicated combat roles and is more a ragtag group of commerce and self-defence vessels than anything a proper fleet should have.
>>5358199These are just some of the things we lack, but this is what i believe that we need:A proper navy: It is all fine and dandy what we already have, but if we actually want to build up a proper fleet which can handle the storm that is to come, we need to make some plans FAST.AFV’s and Air vehicles: We desperately need a way to ferry troops around that doesn’t rely on the warp/teleportation, if that is in the form of AFV’s or carrier craft is not a concern to me. What is a concern is that we also have no air fleet, a basic part of modern warfare that would be a HUGE force multiplier if we can leverage it right and implement good strategy. So we need an air force na we need it now!All of this is great of course, but i do not believe we(TalOS) could do all of this ourselves when we have so much else we need to do, so i propose that we delegate. We find people/priests/ancillians/astartes that have experience and knowledge in warfare and we ask them a simple thing “design and build the things we request”. Now of course, we have to make we don’t make stupid requests, so they should follow the line of “We need a space ship that can last 18 months in space without resupply, that can destroy a cruiser on its own and reliably outrun anything it cant beat.”. Making requests in this way should ensure we don’t artificially limit their designs and also makes them able to fully design to our actual needs and not what they think our needs is.Of course, that leads us to what we want and what we wish to build in the future, but i think i will leave that up to you guys. What do you think?
>>5358192Basically yeah. I mean, we probably at least have a plethora of mining and factory vehicles to strap guns on.>>5358196"Why are we not making tanks? Have we forgot even the basics of combined arms warfare?!!"I ask myself that question every day. We're basically a slightly more advanced version of Starship Troopers from the first film. Masses of infantry of naval support, and we have Knights and Titans, and of course our super soldiers, but basically no mention of any kind of vehicles in the battles or even actions to invest in them. The worst part is we aren't even using the cost effective infantry as rabble, we're using skitarii. Skitarii are more elite (and expensive) than guardsmen and we're using them as the guardsmen and letting them get melted in Rad bombardments when we should have the Tech Thralls be doing that, taking the brunt of the fire, while Skitarii are more like our stormtroopers and snipers with their rifles shooting from afar.>>5358199>>5358202100% all of these.We're lucky it seems the Orks and Mitu are also as incompetent at vehicular production as we are at least. They have Gargants and their own titans, but havent' seen any mention of tank battles from them. Things could have gotten a LOT worse if they had even half an effective mechanized force.
>>5358202I also want to point out that we have a perfect opportunity to become the arsenal of the Imperium, since we have a lot of available planets that we can turn into gaint factories and build war gear with. Won't help the average Federation citizen out in the short run, but ensuring that we are a supplier to the current biggest military can only be good for our continued development.So, let us become the military-industriel complex!
>>5358210You mean let us become what the Mechanicum is actually supposed to be but Mars is so absolutely shit they aren't even doing that right.
>>5358211Yes!Let us actually become a GOOD supplier of arms and vehicles, nstead of whatever the fuck that the admech became in 40k.Artisan made guns and vehicles? sureee~~ that sounds like a great investment of time and resources while our troops die, waiting for supplies!We need to give them a boot in the ass and make the admech realise that making shit is fun, sure, but don't waste it carving a great mural of the Omnissiah into a las gun. 'Caue the Machine God won't give a shit about the mural and the same goes for the Guradsmen it is issued to, they just care if it works and follows protocol.
>>5358196>THEY. WILL. MAKE. TANKS! OR SO BY THE MACHINE GOD I WILL HIT THEM WITH MY SHOE!!good reference. I exhaled air through my nostrils
>>5358199And I agree on the main battle tank. The Knights are pretty much that but on legs. A knight on threads would be awesome...I am not interested in artillery, since that's too earth-minded you know? If we have orbital bombardment, what's the point of smaller siege pieces
>>5358260we won't always have orbital supremacy and when that happens your going to want artillery (also we can then sell it and/or produce it for the imperium)
>>5358212>'Caue the Machine God won't give a shit about the mural and the same goes for the Guradsmen it is issued to, they just care if it works and follows protocol.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGgWGNfAHiE
>>5357837 I am glad that you have seen merits in my idea. But unfortunately my ability to create names for projects in general is poor, this is the best I can do. Now it's just a case of finding a good time to put this idea to a vote. Maybe the next administrative break for Tal0s.
>>5358264I dunno. Convince me on it. Why would we planetfall if there are active enemy spaceships orbiting the planet we are planning on invading? One that is not scheduled for exterminatus of course
>>5358267what if we need to complete an objective on a world (like securing an stc) you want that out of the combat zone as fast as possible so you can't wait until the battle in orbit is done. Orbital bombardment is risky because it's not as accurate and the ship has to be "still". orbital bombardment is also more expensive and (while more powerful) can't be as consistent.Artillery also has a defense advantage what if an enemy fleet attacks and overwhelms the local defense fleet. the ground forces need to buy time for reinforcement.if you have artillery you can also more often have counter battery operations. instead of being bombardment calling for an orbital strike then waiting and by the time they arrive the artillery has already moved.saying orbital bombardment replaces artillery is like saying we don't need tanks (or tank equivalents) because we can just bomb any hard targets into submission so all we need is IFV's, aircraft, and Infantry.
>>5358260Your average knight is much too large to act as an MBTThe Armigers might, they are about the size of a Telemon, but they are also possibly prohibitively large for say, tunnels or places where a tank or battlesuit could fit but an armiger couldn't. I'd like to imagine the Gardinaal High Lord nechs/Durath Mech armor if we get our hands on the STC tech for them (they are STC compliant) would share some stats to Riptides and Crisis respectively. Who else but the 2nd to showcase awesome tech.But at this point we're basically having to massively scale back our expectations of technological prowess. I remember dreaming of all the cool and amazing stuff we'd invent as Talos, the Mechanicus Primarch, at the start of the quest. Of diving into Necron worlds or the depths of Lucius and Mars. Then when it was clear we had no time for that, at least showcasing the terrible power of 30k Mechanicum.But we don't even have that. With the sole exception of the Knights, everything else we have is fucked and lacking.So now our main goal should be at least to get to a 40k level of guardsman sophistication. Where we are doing more than just throwing masses of infantry and space marines at every problem smaller than a Knight. Where we have things like tanks, artillery, the basic elements of war.>>In the Grim Darkness of the 31st millenium, there is only unsophistication>>To be a techpriest in such times is to be one amongst untold millions. It is to live in the crudest and most backwards synod imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, . Forget the promise of spelunking in Necron Tomb worlds or developing new and unique technologies.>There are no tanks among the stars, only an eternity of infantry carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.">>5358267That's the thing.We would never invade a planet that we can just bombard from orbit. If we are invading a planet, it means for reason or another, we can't just bombard it from orbit. We should absolutely make use of pinpoint precision ion strikes and such, but for the purposes of Tabletop that costs CP points which are limited.Artillery models can fire and keep firing.
>>5358292Well, actually, we don't even need battlesuits.We just need to learn how to make Incaendius jetpacks for our Dreadnoughts, and use Dreads as our battlesuits
>>5358422We should still pursue those STC's though if our brothers let us know about them. Same with the Olamic Quietude tech
TalOS looked upon the psyker with a close eye. The man was not unusual in a genetic sense like those of the Navigators. Instead the only real outward mutation was his eyes losing both their pupils and irises. TalOS could only assume such a loss was closer to a symbolic event than an organic one. As expected of psykers. “What is it that you have called me here to be presented?” TalOS asked as he allowed his synthetic voice to bellow through the corridors. “We have had numerous messages from across the system for you. Of the ones we were able to interpret for your comprehension, I am here to present the most vital of them.” The old man was finally looked upon TalOS with the Primarch giving him a voice to use, “Your brothers have heard of your triumph and congratulate you. Both of them wished for you to know that they found it… odd that you have chosen to let a human take your kill.” “They are a pair of men who lead from the front and as an example. They do not understand the value of letting other men fight your battles for you.” TalOS declared with a mellowness within his voice, “There is no reason to send them back a message in banter. We are already strung upon communication resources as of now.” “It is a mercy that I cannot thank you enough for granting.” Answered the Astropath as he gave a solemn bow to TalOS. “Are there any events within the Galaxy?” “As you have heard, the tenth Primarch has been found. He has declared his name to be Ferus Manus. From what I glimpsed by my fellow, he is a large man like yourself whose arms are made of raw metal.” “Raw metal… are they bionics?” “If they are, my Lord, that was not the impression I received from my fellow. They appeared to be as natural as if he was built with them in mind.” TalOS placed a hand upon his metal chin as he allowed himself a moment of thought, “Very interesting. When the chance comes I hope to meet personally with my brother.” “I am sure your brother thinks the same towards you.”
“Besides my brother, have you gotten any other news from Malcador the Sigillite?” TalOS asked as he knew exactly where said information was coming from. The man gave a small nod as he responded, “Malcador has given upon us that information that your psychic sons have finished gathering upon Terra for their training. They will be prepared to leave Terra and be dispersed across the Galaxy in five years time.” “That is good, there is no reason to rush him in a time like this.” Answered TalOS as he gave a surefire nod, “And what of our project?” “The Project that Malcador has informed us of has become a grand endeavor. He speaks of… an entire system no longer being able to speak through the Immaterium. A place silent from the screams of the warp.” “So the immaterium has been settled by the blanks, that is interesting…” “He says that research is slow, with those committing themselves to the task finding their new task to be monolithic in scale. That they must learn thousands of years worth of theology before they can take one step towards your goals.” And such a thing was to be expected, TalOS had to admit. They were Tech Priests after all, not the masters of the Navigator Guilds or Astro Telepathica. They would need to learn about the soul and attain a greater understanding of blanks than TalOS. But that would be easy as TaloS never truly looked into what he was gathering. “Malcador informed us that he had visited the planet once before, with word that he is intrigued by the power of them. He expressed what I have dared to say earlier, that researchers do not think they have the proper experience.” “So Xana is asking for assistance in that?” “That is what I have divined, to get an answer that can put us forward into illumination.” >Why don’t we start with battlefield study? >Mix them with psykers and study what happens to the psyker. >Have them do comparisons, their goal is to tell the difference between normal souls and a blank’s.
>>5358524>Have them do comparisons, their goal is to tell the difference between normal souls and a blank’s.Let's start with the basics
>>5358524>Have them do comparisons, their goal is to tell the difference between normal souls and a blank’s.Baby steps.
>>5358524>Have them do comparisons, their goal is to tell the difference between normal souls and a blank’s.
>>5358524>>Why don’t we start with battlefield study?I understand my fellow Magi's interest in approaching this matter from the basis, but I am hard pressed to aim our research towards the war effort. We are at war and even after the orks greatest defeat, they refuse to stop being a thorn at our side.We don't have to look further to realize that the Mitu are next and this reviled enemy is psykic! What better than to test the blanks in the threatre of war? Please, brothers, do not be lenient with the pets of our Sanctus Dominus, some have to die for mankind to prevail.
>>5358631What caused us to start the blank project was to find a way to turn oursleves into a blank so we can progress on the cronomancy and technomancy. Researching souls, first normal and then psyker seem to be the way for that.The Mitu are facing a civil war because of Alpharius, we have no no need to slow down the campaign to wait until the blanks are shipped from Xana to here when we have the already Blackstone Fortress deployed and only one front to deal with.
"odd that you have chosen to let a human take your kill."I mean, the obvious answer is if a human could kill it, it was beneath our attention. Khan pretty much does the same thing with Xenos lords, he lets his subordinates slay em if they aren't worth his effort."They are a pair of men who lead from the front and as an example"No surprise there, having to use their force of will rather than organizational. If we're still struggling to reach our best, its a wonder they aren't fighting with knives and axes (more than usual)>>5358631I just hope we can give the blanks in this quest something better than machien god. damned. swords. fuck swords and flamers. They should be getting armor, real armor. Hell if Psychic Dreadnoughts exist, what stops us from making a Null Dread?
>>5358524>Have them do comparisons, their goal is to tell the difference between normal souls and a blank’s.We shouldn't risk valuable and irreplaceable assets in harm's way before we understand them
>>5358524>Mix them with psykers and study what happens to the psyker.>WRITE IN: Is it possible to reverse the polarity of a psyker through long exposure?I remembered something important.https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/FerrymenWe know that Pariah powers are basically negative scale Psychic powers, where normal psykers are positive. Two ends of a spectrum.In canon it is possible for Psychic Grey Knight to, with enough exposure to a pariah field, become a Blank. Talos has also switched the polarity of the positive Blackstone Fortress to a negative one, and has seen the effect on his pendant with the emperor from negative to positive.What if we asked for volunteers from among our Laterns of Charons with strong souls and determination to stick around a strong enough pariah field. This would slowly neutralize the positive energy, and after a time, they would accumulate more and more negative energy until they themselves become blanks. Or at least that's a theory we can test.Most pyskers would die when their powers were taken unless they were a very strong soul (like the High Lord of the Phaedrus of the Adeptus Telepathica who was turned into a powerless mortal by Goge Vandire this way). Our Acillians/Astartes may have the strength enough to survive and become blanks.We will have a few key blanks to protect our mortal nulls! Let's work upon the theory of Positives and Negatives as well as Polarity Shift Resistance. Framing souls and psykers under the purview of positive and negative charges would appeal well to the techpriest mindset, not at all different from the electrical aspect of the motive force with its positive and negative charges.
>>5359009 As far as I know what makes a Blank have these powers is the very rare gene they were born with, if it's possible to change a psyker's polarity, it wouldn't mean a change in the DNA of the individual in question?>Which by definition would be proof of the existence of a psyker's genome?
>>5358524>Have them do comparisons.
>>5359093Its possible the Psyker Genome and the Pariah Genome are the same thing, its the polarity of the individual that affects how their powers manifest. Certainly Navigators and Astropaths are proof that Psychic power is genetic in nature. Well, at the very nature of the Grey Knights.
>>5358524>Have them do comparisons, their goal is to tell the difference between normal souls and a blank’s.We may be of the Domini, but ultimately we are a Tech-priest and a follower of the Machine God on the path to knowledge and enlightenment. Therefore, it seems to me that understanding why normies are different from blanks would be the most IC thing we can do. Also, it will give us a good understanding of the basics which we lack, TalOS even says that his knowledge of blanks is very limited and that he simply hoarded them to him, because of their effects.
>>5358524I should not have made Comparisons as a choice, its too obvious. Like the other two are trying to find practical applications while Comparisons is telling someone to think harder. Its on me. Just wish I did not add it as a throw away line. As such its probably going to become: >Try and make a device to detect soulsOr something like that.
>>5359105Is the goal trying to achieve a more metaphysical understanding of the nature of blanks and non-blanks?A device to detect souls (I presume in baseline humans) sounds like it would be a very amplified Psy-Detector able to detect the low level psychic energies of baseline humans.Trying to see what exactly it is the Tech Priests are hoping to gain experience of. Do they currently not have a working theory on how souls work at this time and that Malcador isn't able to share? No knowledge of the Pariah Gene? They were able to detect that our twins were Omega Negative so I thought they might have at least some idea on stuff like the Assignment Scale.
>>5359009>>SupportBlank marines sound rad
If Xana is doing it in utter secrecy from the prying eyes of others, it's possible they have no access to the accumulated knowledge of psykers, blanks, warp and souls that the Mechanicum as a whole has. It's not like Mars is aware of it and we can just ask them to unleash what stored research of the ancients there are. They might not even have a basic working theory and be doing it all from scratch. If only we could step aside from this war even for a moment to help.
>>5359105In that case I'll change my vote here >>5358770 toTo>Support >>5359009
>>5359009>SupportLong and slow exposure could increase the likelihood of survival. Less of a shock to the system perhaps.
>>5359105kek, you are right. The last option is >Do it harder
>>5359105Chamging my vote>>5358550>To support>>5359009
The actual source page for the null grey knight
>>5359009>SupportMaybe we'll develop Anti-Librarians
I want to change my vote in suport of this >>5359009My vote was >>5358631 this one right here but your's convinced me. Putting the best of our psyker sons through excruciation just to test a theory and the belief that people made from flesh, with souls, will behave the same as inanimate objects...This is peak grimdark
>>5359246Ah, of course the vote proper is>Torture the best of our psykers with the strongest null field Xana can produce to reverse their polarity. If possible
>>5359246It is pretty fluffy. Also to be fair that is exactly what the Necrons did before us. They noticed some of their number resisted the warp with Pariah Gene, then looked on blackstone and though "what if inanimate objects could behave the same as flesh". And thence came all their null tech.
If we determine that polarity reversal of people is possible, it could end up being the key that unlocks the door for Talos to try it.And also gives QM a reason for him to search of the fabled Ygma Monolith when we ever go to the Ultima Segmentum. Becuase perhaps all the Nulls on Xana and even our children may not be strong enough to permanently reverse Talos immense Primarch psychic aura, even if repressed. But perhaps something far stronger.The 2nd Primarch visited the Ygma Monolith in canon."A new Warp storm near Oberon has been codified Cerberax – appearing as a three-headed hound devouring the sky. It has occluded a trio of star systems since the Night of a Thousand Rifts.The Holy Requisitioners of Mars have brought to light the effects of the Ymga Monolith, for extending around that rune-carved monument is a perfect sphere of order untouched by Cerberax’s progress across the stars. The Tech-Priests’last report describes that ancient stone as a Necron phase node of immense potency. Its glow has intensified so much it appears as a bright green oblong in the skies of nearby Atilla. I." - Gathering Storm II: Fracture of Biel-Tan page 18Visiting an actual ancient Necron planet that later into the game could also be a good reason to kick off our untapped Chronomancy powers.
>>5359323That would fit perfectly, and be a good explanation why the 2nd visited it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qq33d803UYThe video is meh and to the point, but what do think is TalOS kink? I think it's software and softer engineering compared to perturabo plus the Emperor's depise for the warp (or that's a character trait unique to our cog?) Maybe sprinkle some "the emperor's connection to technology" too.
>>5359433Easy, the Emperor's Curiosity and Ambition. One cannot say the Emperor is shy about using other civilization's things to power up his own.
>>5359434>Curiosity and AmbitionWait, so your primarch is the greediest of them all? Well he IS a Tech-Priest first and foremost...
>>5359435>>so your primarch is the greediest of them all?>>threads are full of at least a dozen posts talking about things we dream of having, things we wish we had, and things we want to try and get>Also having the biggest fucking army>and being fancier than the other PrimarchsI hope one upping Lions Terminator 1st Company with a 2nd Legion Dreadnought 1st Company isn't out of the question
>>5359434It's definitely the curiosity and ambition. If TalOS is anything like the anons, he's constantly wishing he could do more and feels his reach exceeding his grasp and not having enough time.
>>5359434This visit would theoretically be at what time? After the Reconquista?
>>5359478After for sure. Defiantly after Gulliman is found.
>>5359495 Very good very good. QM I have another question, at the moment all the territories we are releasing are being occupied by the various factions of the forge worlds that are supporting us right? Would it be possible, before we go out to loot other people's tombs, to formalize a legal system for the federation's territories? Or an administrative plan to develop the devastated region? Of course after the end of the campaign.
>>5359501That is the plan. It should be either near the end of this thread or the start of the next one unless you make different choices.
>>5359502We will finally have the dlc to FAG, the GOT.
>>5359509And organized planet systems. Maybe even importing some abhumans to inhabit worlds.
>>5359509>Government.Official.Treaties. The Official recognition of the legal status, for the federation government as a whole.
>>5359131But it isn't just Xana. Malcador has been studying this for years if not centuries at this point right?
>>53594571st Company Dreadguard (Dreadnoughts)2nd Company Dragonguard (Terminators)3rd Company Treadguard (Armored/Mechanized Elites)>>5359509We can also kick the forge worlds collective asses for neglecting to mass manufacture war machines, we can't conquer the entire galaxy on infantry and knights/titans alone. Also we need more infantry too so establishing techthrall legions. And the rest of the Taghmata structure.>>5359518He's also very far away. It's also possible, or perhaps even likely, that if there are or were any Magos Psykana that exist in this era Malcador is hoarding them all for the webway project which is higher priority. A veritable psychic brain drain for the Emperors magic door.
Anons, brothers, I have been wondering. Who will we graft TalOS' arm on? The one that we lost first. I remember memeing with UZ1 putting it on herself, but on a more serious tone...How about Matthias gets one arm and AL4N gets the other? Maybe our strongest psyker gets a leg and our strongest blank gets the other.Don't worry about i'll matching limbs. We just kitbash the other so the lengths match
>>5359559Brother Genetor, you should recall both those arms are in storage. Surely they are more uesful for the genetic material they provide, both to grow new organs in case TalOS needs them as well as for research purposes. He did create the magnificat 10000 years faster than Cawl.
>>5359559It, together with most of TalOS flesh, is in stasis, in case we need more genetoc material or eventually mess with nanomachines/necrodermis
>>5359585Magos, you fail to see the COOL in this waste of resources.
>>5359588Oh yeah that was the other reason, Synth-Flesh.
TalOS pondered to himself as he wondered within his mind where they shall focus. Indeed the idea of Xana looking into getting some more practical experience would help, but that might be a waste of a very valuable resource. At least, a resource that TalOS cannot expand before the event happens. Thus the Primarch had to simply ask, “Astropath, am I correct in that your kind are able to see the souls of the living?” “That is… correct my Lord. The souls of the living are left bare for our eyes to see.” The old man answered as he gave a solemn nod, “But you already know of this, my Lord, for you have already consumed the blood of our kind.” TalOS gave the man a sharp eye of study, “I take it Navigator Lawrence told you of it?” “Indeed. As he had told you he could not keep such a secret against his fellows.” TalOS could not expect any more from an entire organization of psykers, “Send to the men upon Xana knowledge that psykers can see the souls of everything. An innate characteristic that they have to both have sight and to scry into the warp. They must use this to study the souls of men and use them to their advantage.” “I shall endeavor to inform them of this.” Said the Astropath while giving a small bow. TalOS then took a moment to think as he then spoke again, “That is not the only thing I need of you. I know the amount of messages will be short but it must be sent for that project to be a success.” The Astropath stiffened as if terror had engulfed his person. Such an action was not one of anger against him but a simple fear of exhaustion. TalOS had already seen the reports of numerous Astropaths becoming unconscious or even the rare death. It was the cost of the Blackstone Fortress even with the Psi-Candles subsidizing it. “Send a message to my sons, those who are with Malcador. I have an understanding that Psykers cannot survive contact with Nulls but if my sons have a great willpower something might happen for them. Send this message to Malcador.” “The Regent of Terra shall be informed.” Answered the Astropath as he hesitantly took a bow before TalOS. “Then you are released. I thank you for such a service and pray that you survive.” TalOS said as he gave a short bow to the old Astropath.
Transition from the Grail System to Lucius was easy enough as the Blackstone Fortress carved a way through the Warp. The fleet, which was roughly six hundred ships came through with an air of accuracy that TalOS was quickly finding to be more enjoyable than any other time he had traveled the Warp. It did not mean they were fast though. The Warp was being forced to become something closer to reality and as such travel times were cut. But with slow speeds it also meant that absolutely none of the ships they flew would die within the dreadful realm of thirsty gods. In the time they traveled TalOS was given the chance to note that the messages were sent with minimal casualties. TalOS wondered if the Machine God had truly blessed the transmissions or if the concepts being shared were intimate enough to the Astropaths to have more ease. In the end TalOS’s interest was not of the Warp, and thus he did not care too much of it. It was when they finally arrived within Lucian airspace that things began to move once again. Thousands of blessed bytes of information was transferred into the minds of the Domini leading the Reconquista. As such their meeting was placed on hold until this moment, so that they would see eachother once again with the knowledge that they now hold. +I thank you all for coming to me today.+ TalOS first said as he sat in the highest chair of the bridge with numerous connectors still operating the Blackstone Fortress, +Each of you have done outstanding work and all shall acknowledge it now. Firstly, Prime Dominus Pterraxi you have succeeded in seventeen battles against the Orks and won them all through superior tactics.+ +I thank you Sanctus Dominus.+ Answered the Tech Priest as he gave a bow from his own throne. +As for both Magos Dominus Sicarian and High Dominus Eretis, both of you have proven your ability to exact a slaughter upon the battlefield. It is through your wisdoms that we drained the Ork Empire of their numbers advantage that gave us the final strike against them.” “It was an honor to have committed such a war, Sanctus Dominus.” declared the Magos Dominus as the High Dominus of Xana spoke, “It was my honor, oh Lord.” Lastly, Captain Leretos.” TalOS called out the Imperial Fist who was sitting at this table, “I have already given my thanks to the Legion Master, but I wish for all here to acknowledge the wealth of knowledge your Legion gave to us in this last year of campaign.” “As before, we thank you Arch Dominus.” The Imperial Fist declared while shining the Aquila in the Primarch’s direction.
With everyone’s achievements acknowledged TalOS began the process of animating the holovid before them. The display came to life with numerous systems around the system that were both taken from the memories TalOS consumed but also the information they had acquired. Because of said information, dozens of planets were lit red as well as numerous sets with numbers upon them were placed about the system. TalOS then began to grow a series of arrows originating from the markers dictating the possible directions of the Xenos fleets. Though the one thing that might have been a surprise to all present was that the Xenos were all given different colors. “Records have come in from the scouts that the Xenos have began attacking one another in open combat. The reasoning for this is unknown as we cannot risk the Astropaths in deciphering Xeno's communications.” TalOS said as he made a show of his hand, “Ultimately the Xenos have started to tear each other apart from the seams.” With a swift movement of his hand TalOS made a series of markers that pointed towards darkened spots upon the map, “As seen here we do not have all the information. While we can have scouts skirt along the lines the Mitu have formed against one another. Whatever is behind those we cannot see, but I assume at least one of these regions contains what must be the core worlds.” “The enemy is divided, an opportunity that will only happen once.” Declared Eretis as he caused the screen to generate a red dot, “Based on the estimated vectors the enemy shall take, I believe the Core Worlds of the Mitu to be there. As such, we should strike there.” “A strike directly at their core could cause the enemy to galvanized and set aside their differences.” Declared Magos Dominus Sicarian. The man took a few moments to think as he soon declared, “If we used the cover of the Blackstone Fortress, we can likely eliminate our enemies with precision strikes. If done correctly, we will force each of them to become distant before our advance.” “We are on a schedule though. Every ship we have sitting idle on this Reconquista is a drain on resources.” Pointed out Pterraxi, “If we gain ground in their region, while they might become one once again, it will not compare to what they once were. With that we will waste the minimal amount of material on upkeep and guarantee more Forge Worlds are made.” >Strike at the home worlds>Keep that Civil War going!>A proper war since our enemy is weakened.
>>5359612>A proper war since our enemy is weakened.
>>5359612>Keep that Civil War going!>Get Magos Sicarian on the Horn, his idea can now come to fruition>Develop our own version of Legion Seekers and Legion Recon Squads (and also countermeasures to infiltration. because we are paranoid "TRUST BUT VERIFY") to support Alpharius/show him we value his waysCODENAME: THE DRAGON AND THE HYDRANow is the time for Magos Sicarians ideas. Now is the time we extend a gesture of support and love for our brother Alpharius and his ways, as our sons chase after his footsteps and add to the hiddy carnage we unleash upon the xenos.If Talos developed the Magnificat early, could he develop the concept of infiltrators early? Or Legion Seeker Squads (those didn't come until Alpharius revealed himself as the last primarch, but who says we can't be inspired?)Let's get our boys to learn how to be sneaky and cunning, and how to countermeasure against sneakiness and cunning. Develop our own spies, saboteurs and agents. In support of our Brother.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAYhNHhxN0A
>>5359626Ugh, misread that Sicarian was in favor of the direct stirke. Not Eretis.nevermind then, I thought the proposal he had last time we chose vs the Thallax was that he was gonna propose those Rustalkers and Sicarian Infiltrators after the thing with the Kommando. My bad
No, you have it right SoN, Magos Dominus Sicarian is proposing to continue the civil war. He likely will want to push for his infiltrators. QM, has the Imperium rediscovered Stygies? Do we have any Stygians with us? We could use their stealth expertise.
>>5359612>A conventional war.>write in; but have two spear heads. A conventional fleet but also one headed by the Blackstone. The direct assault will draw most attention, but a silent line of dead worlds will likely not be noticed before it is too late
>>5359639This is the plan I support.As long as the enemy's attention is directed away from the Blackstone, we may burn this candle from both ends.
>>5359626Switch to >>5359639>SupportBest of both eh? I dig it.The big fist up front, the hidden transonic blade behind. Hopefully both Sicarian can make his designs happen too
>>5359612>>Strike at the home worldsStrike HARD the way we've always have! Don't you see, the hydra is giving us the perfect theatre to strike to.I do no care for separating our forces in this instance. As you can see, Alpharius legion is inserted in Mitu space and now comes the interesting part:>The 20th legion is in mitu territory, doing SO MUCH wetwork, intelligence, false flags, misdirection, assaulting supplies...>They are bidding their time, for they know the crusade will finish the Orks and then go for the Mitu>The day the Crusade begins the 20th will regroup>The Mitu will attempt to rejoin and stop the crusade>OUT OF NOWHERE A LEGION NO ONE EXPECTED SHOWS UP FROM DEEP SPACEOh man... come on, we gotta make one BIG FORCE to give space for the 20th to gather their strength
...can we call Alpharius and ask what he wants?"Yo bro, you want me to send in some dudes you can show how to stab or would you like me to drop the hammer on the planet"
>>5359707Nope, If Alpharius wants to talk he will talk.
>>5359708Hmm.Then he probably doesn't care what we do, he knows we're TalOS.So we can either roll up and start blasting the planet or do our spy thing and he'd expect it. Probably
>>5359611>Write-in: Operation starfall>Construct an array of kinetic kill weapons with servitor guiding system and enough augur arrays to navigate through obstacles. These kinetic kill vehicles are to be made of a tungsten core coated in a 1mm layer of adamantium, with the size being 10 meters tall, 12 meters wide and 60 meters long in an oblong shape. On these kinetic kill weapons, there should be several coatings of energy absorbing materials to absorb and hide the weapon from scans.>These kinetic kill weapons are then to be fired from our tartarus-class naval ships, beyond the borders of our enemies solar systems. Ensuring that they are hidden from their view by both distance and obfuscation. Whereupon the tartarus-class vessel is to fire all of its weapons upon a course to the nearest settled world in the system.>All of this should be prefaced by small servitor guided scout ships that have made rough, but as accurate as possible, readings of the system and scans of potential enemy settled planets.>When all of this is done, the time until the kinetic kill weapons hit should be used to reinforce and repair all naval assets, ensuring they are ready for combat. Then they are to march in force into the systems that the kinetic kill weapons were used and obliterate all resistance. After this they are then to disappear and remove any evidence that it was mechanicus forces that destroyed them.>Repeat this until the enemy is sufficiently weak that a Conventional warfare model has a greatly increased chance of exterminating all resistance.>Deus Machina blesses us, for we fight in the name of Truth.
>>5359612>I liked this one:>>5359639
>>5359937I like the idea, seems a bit like a long range way of performing skirmishing actions. The enemy could intercept such devices and attempt to deflect or destroy them with energy weapons, but it means they are devoting ships on patrols to do such.
>>5359639>SupportI like that we entertain both the ones who want a direct war, and a chance for Sicarian to unleash his ideas (and also the Legion Scouts, we need them to exist). Thus must surely be inspired by the ancient Jermanyc Domini "Rom of El" who "assigning small numbers of men to approach enemy lines from the direction in which attack was expected. The men would yell, throw hand grenades and otherwise simulate the anticipated attack from concealment, while attack squads and larger bodies of men sneaked to the flanks and rears of the defenders to take them by surprise."
>>5360443I agree with this, the treatise of "Assault" is most illuminating >Inb4 discovering a planet of Desert inhabiting Ratling Abhumans that use it as a holy book
Pre-Pre-Pre-Emptive Bombardment>>5359937A proper war!>>5359616Conventional, but with two spear heads>>5359639>>5359647>>5359767>>5360110>>5360443>>5359687Keep the Fighting Going!Deep Strike>>5359695Honestly I would think the Blackstone Front would be the sneaky one. These guys are Psykers and predict enemy movement with psychic shenanigans. Then again one wonders if they can notice the giant psychic hole in the galaxy slowly moving towards them. If I was them, I'd be kinda terrified of that.
>>5360505uh, QM. The blackstone front IS the sneaky one.It's the conventional assault with the dominant half of our forces to distract the enemy from the quiet and undetectable front that the fortress presents.
>>5360519Ah, misread.Look, I'm pretty hopped up on painkillers at the moment. Please bear with me.
>>5360505I imagine the effect for a psychic race would be akin to the Pariah Nexus novel / Shadow in the Warp. More pronounced in the mitu than man.It starts slowly, the astropaths feel a weight upon their mind, a subtle headache that won't go away, but like a body in quick sand begins to press down as messages become harder and choir voices grow faint and visions dim. It isn't like the Shadow per say, there's no creeping crawling sound of bugs or the incessant hunger, but. . .nothing. A silence, a darkness, weighty and heavy and growing heavier, their bodies and minds growing weaken.And then the general populace feels it. A general malaise, fatigue, tiredness. Emotions grow dim, people don't feel good, or happy, or even angry without trying harder. Dreams begin to darken, and people wake up less refreshed, the vigor of life growing harder. Food tastes dull, and soon, the very colors begin to turn grey.By now the Psykers are either panicking or falling into a stuperous coma, their bodies and minds rebelling. Perhaps even something worse. In the wake of the field, ships with poor Gellar fields and lackluster engines are forced out of warp into realspace. If they are fortunate, its a normal or emergency translation, or at least perhaps they are destroyed immediately. If not, then as in the Pariah Nexus book, it's a botched translation, bodies melding into the hull as objects try to appear in the same place at the same time. In its wake, a horde of daemons and shades rush forward. But they do not attack. They do not have time or willpower to strike the mortal world. Their one goal in mind: flee. Flee the destruction of their very essence, and the risk of annihilation without return. To be utterly destroyed by the denial of the warp, just as man might by being thrust from the safety of reality into the warp itself.
>>5360529And then it hits. Hard. The Pariah effect. I do not know if our Blackstone has yet tried to achieve this as the Necron Pylons have, but the very act of living becomes a manual chore. People need to think hard to eat, to breathe, to not give into apathy and despair, the "soul death". It is a battle of willpower, not of will against will, but of struggling to maintain onto the very essence of willpower itself. At greater strength, in proximity to the pylons, even space marines struggle and must exert themselves. Of course, unaffected, are those to whom the soul is not an essential item. The Automaton (or the Necron), the Servitor who relies upon programmed orders into the brain. I would like to imagine that our Skitarii and Acillians would do well, as in the absence of personal willpower and initiative, mechanical orders can take over. Perhaps they are not as smart, quick witted, or passionate as they might have been, but to rely upon the blessed Noospheric orders implanted straight into their brain. "Do not think, do not feel, obey the Doctrina Imperative and fight". They follow their internal cogitators and weapons targeting systems, find strength and comfort in the cold purpose of the machine and Reliance upon the Machine Gods will rather than themselves.Or at least, it would be cool if that is feasible.And our nulls meanwhile, don't notice a thing at all. They had no soul connection to the warp, and simply carry on. If anything, like Aleya in 40k, they feel a kindred bond with the blackstone. Exactly like a psyker would feel when next to a psychic crystal, strength and envigorment.
That sounds badass SoN. It also means we'll never be able to fight alongside the XV Legion while the Blackstone Fortress is in orbit.
>The Emperor every time he tries to scry on TalOS while on the Blackstone FortressWe are the most annoying of his sons to keep psychic tabs on
“Prime Magos Dominus Pterraxi, you have made a fine point.” TalOS admitted as he waved his hand to change the display a little bit, “Now is not the time for us to stand back and let the Mitu kill themselves. Now is the time that we give a proper grind against their fronts.” “I thank you Sanctus Dominus.” Answered the Magos as he gave a small nod of the head. “That does not mean we will not take certain advantages with the situation. Indeed bringing out all of our forces into a single front would be a grand warfront but that is not what we need. We need to make sure that the enemy does not unite against us into a single front.” TalOS declared as he waved his hand. The display soon displayed what was a heat map of the immaterium. Information collected from the Navigators and psi scanners showing the areas of high turbulence within the Warp. Looking upon it one can see a scar that runs to the east of Lucius and around Mezoa creating a sort of reverse ‘L’. “The Blackstone Fortress, while it is slow, is capable of settling the warp wherever it goes. Because of this I believe it would be vital that we travel through the ward dividing the Federation in two.” TalOS said as an arrow with the Blackstone Fortress hovering upon it appeared, “As the Blackstone Fortress marches through here a fight shall begin at our shared border. If they unite to push off that attack, they will be exposed to our counter attack. Otherwise, the proper front will have enough forces to crunch through whatever coalition controls that part of space.” Each of the Tech Priests studied it for a moment as well as the Imperial Fist. Each of them were likely processing the information for themselves as TalOS allowed the assembled minds to recognize what was presented to them. It was Magos Dominus Sicarian who finally spoke his piece, “That is a mighty fine strategy Sanctus Dominus. I believe the ratios can be skewed in favor of the initial assaulting force. After that, it is a grand tactic.” And like that everyone around them gave a series of affirmations and call outs in agreement with it. “We shall prepare the forces then. Prime Magos Dominus Pterraxi and High Dominus Eretis shall be manning the primary front while myself and Magos Dominus Sicarian work our way towards the meat of their empire.” And with those words they were all dismissed. Already the fleet was being organized to better accommodate their naval commanders. War shall soon be won.
Time quickly went by as the forces became what were the First and Second Reconquista Fleet. Simple designations for sure but in time they shall surely be more standardized. It also made assigning the numerous groups within the Reconquista force easy enough. With such an assembly TalOS was happy to declare that the forces were made correctly. Taking in the capability of the Blackstone Fortress the enemy was likely to lose an immense amount of power, so a 65-35 ratio was employed when creating these forces. The reason so much weight was given to the ‘distraction’ was that a distraction can always become the flanking force. The same counted the other way around, with the flanker being forced to become a distraction. As for the forces within these fleets they were even handed. TalOS granted to the Second Fleet a healthy amount of both Acillians and Astartes. And with them TalOS had to grant them Legion Master Vadar as he by far had more experience in this kind of warfare over AL4N. After that, the Knights, Titans, and Skitarii were all allocated with ease as TalOS at the ratios given above. Thus the strategy was set and both forces entered the Warp. As always the Primarch went to his study. A massive room with an assortment of technology that TalOS was testing on behalf of the numerous Forge Worlds within the Mechanicum. Each of these being submissions that TalOS was to see about giving the light of day in recognizing. As such it ranged from simple Radium Pistols to the Thallax that was given to TalOS by the Ordo Reductor. TalOS could not help but take an interest in what they talked about, how the Motive Force was specifically generated by the destruction of things. In by destroying things you venerated the Machine God. TalOS could see how such a philosophy could be created when raw energy is created by splitting an atom. Thus, the source of the Motive Force is from that destruction. As for the creation itself the Thallax was a massive and dangerous artifact from the age of mankind’s ascendance. Their armor was not as tough as an Astartes but it made up in that for granting the Servitor immense strength and toughness against attacks. With it though came a powerful Machine Spirit. It was close enough that just a few changes could make a human within it no longer required. A dangerous prospect, but one that TalOS would quickly learn about.As he turned away from the servitor TalOS saw the figure of UZ1 working diligently at one of the workstations.
Between the time that TalOS had seen her to now UZ1’s body had finished maturity. Her dimensions did increase some between the first time they met but TalOS knew it was not enough to gain the beastial interest of men. Fats was something that Tech Priests tended to avoid as they only had a chance to corrode the machine. Between then and now she had a few augmentations done. Some are far more obvious than others in an effort to tame her own body. A simple example being that her eyes no longer needed glasses, with the ones she was now wearing meant to act as lenses to focus the regenerated eyes. TalOS could not help but feel proud at such a feat, taking a moment to study that she was able to vastly improve what was a failed genetic ailment. If one could say it they were a mastercrafted set of eyes. “Oh, TalOS.” UZ1 finally took notice of the Primarch after five minutes, “I am sorry, I should have paid more attention to my surroundings.” “You should. Even here one cannot be too careful.” TalOS told her as he walked towards the table, “A Power Sword?” The girl gave a nod as she tapped the hilt, “I have found that I do not have an adequate melee weapon. So, I will make one.” “To make one, you would need to have the knowledge base of a Magos.” TalOS said as he placed forward a simple ruling to her. “That… is correct.” UZ1 admitted as she brushed a hand upon the sword, “There is still more to learn, but I have adequate knowledge in both technology and served in more battles than those far older than me.” “Correct.” TalOS admitted as he patted her on the shoulder. >Advise that after the war, she leads an Auxiliary. >She can simply stay by TalOS’s side. She is a massive help after all as an attendant>UZ1 should learn from others who have even more knowledge than TalOS *Send her to Malcador/Mars*
>>5360590>She can simply stay by TalOS’s side. She is a massive help after all as an attendantThis is a hard choice, sending her off to adventure would give plenty of experience, but staying around while we reorganise the the federation means ahe can give more inputs and ideas.And TalOS does take those into consideration.
>>5360590>She can simply stay by TalOS’s side. She is a massive help after all as an attendantKeep our waifu secure.
>>5360590>She can simply stay by TalOS’s side. She is a massive help after all as an attendant
>>5360607You really think I'mma kill the Waifu 'off screen'.
>>5360590>She can simply stay by TalOS’s side. She is a massive help after all as an attendant>>5360616honestly a part of me hope's that this decision isn't based on efficiency or cold hard logic but instead Tal0S's humanity coming through wanting to spend more time with his companion.
>>5360590>She can simply stay by TalOS’s side. She is a massive help after all as an attendant. Dragons don't share their treasures with anyone.
>>5360590>She can simply stay by TalOS’s side. She is a massive help after all as an attendantFor a given value of "simply" when you're married to a Demigod Also, can we make a child with Uzi at some point? Oh, and are our Astartes going to make similar connections with Admech liaisons they serve with?
>>5360634Yeah but isn't letting go more human...
>>5360646But really though, I'm rather surprised you guys want her to stay close so unanimously. I'd make an controlling boyfriend joke here.
>>5360646>isn't letting go more human.are we talking about the same species here. there is a reason why so many long distant relationships don't work. most people don't want their significant other gone for months if not years.
>>5360590>OTHER:>Make UZI a lethal combat killer who can act as assassin/body guard>Send her to Sicarian first, but she will learn combat from others too>Down the line ideally, when we recover the Calixis sector, she can become an Acuitor Mech-Assassin>Gear her with the BEST Dark Age Federation tech our clout can pull upIf UZI is going to stay by our side most of the time, let's make her another of our trump cards. She looks cute, and many will try to target her as a way to reach us. But they won't realize we're going to make her the 2nd hardest thing to kill in the 2nd legion.This was the reason we didn't send her against the Warboss yet. We wanted to gear her up proper. Maybe we can send her against the Mitu Leader instead.
>>5360657Gonna try to make some UZI stats too!
>UZ1 should learn from others who have even more knowledge than TalOS *Send her to Malcador/Mars*She needs to stand as our equal. The Malcador to our Emperor. As bad as the mistakes the Emperor made, he would have made far more without him.
"who have even more knowledge than TalOS"This makes me hope in a future peace time action we can have TalOS correct that deficit, at least with Mars. Perturabo supposedly had nothing left to learn from Mars at some point iirc.
>>5360679personally I don't think Perturabo had nothing left to learn from mars. I think he ran out of things that they would willingly teach him.
>>5360697I imagine that's the case, Mars giving their secrets to someone without them being indoctrinated or a even a believer is a hard sell, even if it's a som of the Omnissiah.
>>5360697>>5360702If you really think about it Perty is an arrogant prick. He probably just skimmed a bunch of books and lessons so that he could claim he was faster then Dorn. Perty specifically hates Priests after all and does not like taking lessons from them. As for Dorn, I assume Dorn would take in as much knowledge as he was allowed, asked if he could learn more, and when he was denied went on his way.
>>5360711And TalOS simply did not have the time to allocate to it with his sector at war. TalOS will at least accelerate the Great Crusade by a good amount so maybe he can get some well deserved peace and vacation time to split between organizing Lucius, spelunking and learning. Vulkan spent entire years on Terra and Mars and became good friends with Malcador. TalOS should do the same.
>>5360716accelerating the crusade only means the emperor will leave early and thus the heresy will be earlier well.
>>5360716Seriously we left the gestation pod storming. >Accelerated growth via Techpriests, able to act as an adult despite being a child>Unified his planet>Leaping into space, starts conquering worlds and amassnig a fleet >Made his own damn SPACE MARINES that the Emperor approved>Already conquering half a sectorJust remember right now, out there, Guiliman is still trapped in his single solar system by warp storms and Ultramar is but a single world. He has to do all of his shit and we're a good half ways into the unifying ours part before we step into the organizing.I think as long as nothing horrific happens, The Federation will beat Ultramar in grandeur and industrial might.
>>5360722The Federation being the biggest mini-empire in the Imperium is secure. The only other primarch making a star spanning empire before being found is Dorn but we will beat him in the long run. He may have the Phalanx and is also out there uniting star systems. But Inwit never became an empire to rival Ultramar if we are beating Ultramar by a wide margin, then we will be greater than Inwit too.
>>5360590>UZ1 should learn from others who have even more knowledge than TalOS *Send her to Malcador*The value we will get from knowing even a fraction of knowledge a man of gold has by proxy is immense, plus I'd like for the sigilite sect to continue in the federation
>>5360657>SupportWe are planning to go back to Malcador/Mars and learn all we can anyway, so UZ1 can just tag along with us then.
I want the the sigilite sect to continue too, but why not have TalOS also do so by befriending Malcador some more and earning his trust? Same thing with learning from the Emperor.
>>5360590>Send UZI to Malcador/Mars to learn>Write-In: Personally ask Malcador if he can also make her a deadly assassin+bodyguard with very good gear from the era he lived in.Malcador created the Assassin project, he's an ancient himself, and has Dark Age technology on his body like a rosiarius strong enough to tank space marine blows. The Mech-Accuitor cult may have a sect on Mars
>>5360873>Switch to >>5360892That's an excellent point anon. She can learn knowledge and become lethal by the guy who creates the assassin orders. Maybe she can even earn some favors by working for Malcador too. Two birds with one stone.
>>5360590>>UZ1 should learn from others who have even more knowledge than TalOS *Send her to Malcador/Mars*something something only fed from one vine does no know other fruit.
>>5360657>ADDENDUM>Combine or Switch with >>5360892That's a legit damn good point. Malcador creates the assassin orders and does come from the era of ancient technology, so if anyone has the best and fanciest gear to ensure our lady's survival and lethality at our side, it's him. If she can learn from Sicarian and Him/Mars even better.
>>5360582All this convo was done with analog audio and not digital waves? Just becase Captain Leretos was here? Oh come on imperial fist, got and get a vox implant already
>>5360590>>She can simply stay by TalOS’s side. She is a massive help after all as an attendantNOOOOOOOOO DON'T BREAK UP WITH HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER
>UZ1 +Oh, so you want me to go away? As per your orders, Sanctus Dominus+OH MAN PLEASE DON'T DO THIS I BEG YOUUUUU SHE'S GONNA GET PASSIVE AGRESSIVE
>>5361029... sounds like some unresolved trauma anon ...
Letting go is not human is stupid
lol it's not like we're telling her to go away forever. This is just a learning trip.UZ1 will live for centuries now that she's mature enough and we can afford her the best rejuvenants science can buy, a few years even a decade away is hardly anything.Guililman's mom and Corax' adoptive sister/friend lived for centuries and were still kicking by the HH
I'm trying to cobble together some conceptual stats for UZ1.Anyone have suggestions on which unit would be sensible to model it from? Something that will make it harder to kill her than trying to use an irrad cleanser to kill a reactor spawned radroach.
>>5361029Be a bit logical why would staying at our side be better?
>>5361057Beause we can have as many killer robots as we want but we can only have one UZ1
>>5361036Not letting go is the beastial side of humans. Honestly I'm looking at this like a student who just graduated University. Normally at this point they go out, get some experience, and then attend a different college to get their Doctorate at.
>>5360590I'm down with teching out the mech Waifu.Supporting >>5360657
>>5361071Yeah. Truth be told TalOS is also stuck with this bloody war which is why he's trying to speedrun through it so he can achieve some spare time to also go and pursue his continuing education as well.Oh, and making the Federation Great Again.I'm sad we don't have a Magos Beastmaster in charge of tank and war machine divisions on our council. That and we also could use more specialized space marines so in addition to Sicarian we have an actual Legion Recon Captain to give some infiltration advise. There is so much to do, I pray we can clobber the Mitu and buy the time to do as much as we can. Sending out UZ1 to help cover some learning where we can't is also good. Also uh, making her extremely hard to kill because a paranoid Talos just KNOWS someone is going to try and target her to get to his heart so she's the 2nd biggest target in the legion next to him. Truly his binharic half.
>>5360657>>5360892>>Support the comboI'm 99% sure SoN's idea and anon's idea are compatible and the same. While she is learning from Malcador and Mars why can't she also be teched up by them too?
my robot waifu...
>>5361090Look at it this way, if she really wants to be with TaL0S, she'll be happy when they reunite.Just imagine that moment, its gonna be awesome.
>>5361090She will need to be even more robotic and kitted out with survivalist gear from the dark age that she makes other techpriests feel like a cheap swiss army knife compared to Inspector Gadget.We're gonna wanna see Atomantic Rosarii, Dark Age era Disintegration guns, Digital weapons built into every finger, Displacer Matrixes and Teleportation Beacons, Ancient Camoflague Fields, Xenos Phase Blades.BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE
Sending her closer to Malcador she can also let us know things we can do for him to gain favors and special requisition
>>5360718If the Horus Heresy kicks off early it means Guilliman's Ultramar won't be as big as it would have been in OTL. The Federation will truly be the new Ultramar.
Not the official count. Everyone is taking this very seriously it seems. Keep her>>5360601>>5360607>>5360634>>5360611>>5360642>>5360643>>5361029Let her go>>5360657 - Switch and then returned>>5360873 - Switch and then returned.>>5360953>>5361075 - Didn't Greentext>>5360817>>5360892>>5360973>>5360661>>5361084Wow, close.
>>5361164Does the Malcador/Mars option let her get deadly as well as smart? He does invent the assassin order. Mars could have a conclave of those Mechanicum assassins.
>UZ1 should learn from others who have even more knowledge than TalOS *Send her to Malcador/Mars*Imagine not acquiring more knowledge from multiple sources
>>5361075Fuck sake.>Greentexting the support option
>>She can simply stay by TalOS’s side. She is a massive help after all as an attendant
>>5360590>>>She can simply stay by TalOS’s side. She is a massive help after all as an attendant
>>5360657>>5360892>Support the combination
sorry my bad didnt register post
>>5360585>>UZ1 should learn from others who have even more knowledge than TalOS *Send her to Malcador/Mars*
Let her go>>5361204>>5361329>>5361298Keep Her>>5361276>>5361329Alright, there is no tie. UZ1 will head to Terra/Mars for further Education (And Maybe Xana to watch over the Blank Project)
>>5361365As wife and secretary and emergency bodyguard, this is the correct choice.
Wonder if UZ1 will develop a recaff addiction from being our secretary/assassin/bodyguard/domini/child mother
>>5361422>child motherThe hells that? Do you mean mother of a child?
i dont know how to react to that
>>5361439He means that TalOS will find a way to reproduce. And if you don't know what that means... well, when a mother and a father love each other very much, they spend a lot of time together, and then a space stork opens a hole though reality, coming out of the warp with a beautiful child just as the Omnissiah intended.The end.
>>5361436yadda yadda Daughter-wife>>5361422 This anon watches vtubers, I can tell you that much
>>5361460And you, CK.
>>5361279>>5361365What about my vote desu
>>5361463I counted it in the earlier count. #5361029 which is the last number under the 'Keep Her' category in the initial count.
As TalOS looked upon UZ1 he saw her growing a wide smile, +I’ve done it!+ TalOS stepped back to let the girl move around and jump. For some reason he felt a sudden weight set upon him as he saw the girl so willingly move without care. It was not age, but the knowledge that he could not celebrate in such a bombastic fashion. +Thank you TalOS!+ She cried before rushing over and giving the Primarch a hard hug, +It's thanks to you that I got this far!+ +That may have been true.+ TalOS had his binaric voice display a sense of happiness, +But it was through your own effort that this came to forwishen.+ +Oh, thanks.+ She said while letting go with a blush. The Primarch watched as she gave a cute spin across the room while looking over the weapon she was building once again, +I did not even realize how far I had gotten. It's… odd.+ +Could it be that you were simply around so many minds that your sense of personnel value is offset?+ +Maybe… I have seen a lot of great men.+ Answered the girl as she placed her hand on her chin, +I cannot calculate a situation where this might have happened any other way.++Being an Apprentice of an Arch Dominus has plenty of perks, in addition to the knowledge of said Arch Dominus.+ TalOS admitted as he gave a small chuckle, +In the end you have the great basis of knowledge that I possess. While I could teach you more it would be semantic as it focuses on my research.+ +But that research has been stalled because of the war.+ +It has. Most of it is in Xana and while I could use practical research to study the Motive Force the value is offset by the risk of stepping upon the battlefield.+ TalOS explained as he shook his head, +It is… a travisty.+ +Then, I can learn more!+ UZ1 announced as she gave a small smile towards TalOS.
TalOS took a moment to look upon UZ1’s face with a moment’s thought, +Learn more? In what respects do you wish to learn more?+ The girl gave TalOS a charming smile, +You are going to be really busy working on things even after the war. Yeah you will have time to work on minor projects but you can’t devote entire years to learning more.+ The Primarch stopped for a moment as he thought about it, +You… are right. I’ve been rather focused on the warfront after all.+ +Due to your creation.+ Pointed out UZ1. +That is very much correct. My Creator was not aiming to create scholars or priests but generals and warriors. I am a deviant from the primary mold but that does not mean I am not of it.+ TalOS admitted as he took a moment to think. +Do you… think you will ever break from that programming?+ UZ1 asked as she showed her friend a frown that TalOS now wished he could make himself. +There will be an end to expansion, both of ours and that of the Imperiums. Once the Mitu are slaughtered, the Federation has structure, and the Imperium have a calm moment I shall be able to take up real research.+ TalOS raised his fist and began to tighten it, +But while I am here, that does not mean both of us should have our knowledge stunted.+ UZ1 gave a nod as she heard those words, +The Sol System has both latent knowledge and wondrous men. That would be the place to continue my learning.+ TalOS gave a nod as he heard those words, +A wise decision. That is where two great minds, Kelbor Hal and Malcador the Sigillite make their seats of power. And must we forget that it is Mars and Terra!+ UZ1’s eyes were wide as she gave a small cheer, +So much to learn. So much to discover. Its…+ +The future.+ TalOS declared as he felt himself looking forward, +These are the nascent years of both Empires, there you will likely witness the next strung of humanity’s future.+
+We will need to see how H3VST’s situation is and if he can accept me on Mars.+ UZ1 said as she began pondering the needs of her future, +We should not have much of an issue with Malcador, or am I wrong?+ +There is a simple irony that I have a better relationship with the Sigillite.+ TalOS had to admit as he gave a solemn nod, +But that is what happens when he is ultimately one of my creators. I do not think you will have trouble getting both an audience as well as a room within the Imperial Palace.+ +Then the next thing we must realize is security.+ Declared UZ1 as she gave a stern focus, +With your permission, I wish to bring my cohort to Terra and Mars so that I can have autonomy and not need to rely on local defenses.+ +And it is granted.+ TalOS said outright, +Once the Mitu are defeated we will be able to do a proper auxilia scheme. As a Research Partner, none will complain if I equip you wish one of these Auxilia.+ After TalOS said those words his eyes glanced upon the device that was settled on the counter next to them, +Then we need to settle on both your personal defence and kit.+ +Indeed. Records showed that there is a plethora of Technology deep within Terra from the time of the Federation. As we have the relationship with its Regent, there will be little obstacles in traversing said tombs.+ At that moment TalOS could not help but laugh, +I wish I had the chance to go now. Only the Machine God knows what you will discover within the depths of Terra. It will likely revolutionize both Mechanicum and Imperial Militaries.+ TalOS watched as UZ1, who was a girl of modest age, only got more and more excited at the prospects before her. But it was definitely time to build her a kit. >Spelunking kit, she will likely spend months under the crust of Terra. >Sheer defence, Terra is not fully tamed. >Standard research, because one can never have too many cogitators>Other
>>5361471>Spelunking kit, she will likely spend months under the crust of Terra.
>>5361436Yes, obviously what else could it mean lmao>>5361450They get together around a gestational tank and start cooking up bioscience!
>>5361471>Sheer defence, Terra is not fully tamed.>Other: Try and scour the old pict feeds and reels from ancient Lucius about the "Heroes of the (Old) Federation" and the Dark Age, what sort of gear they were kitted out with, and what UZ1 might find on Terra. Her mission is to recover these lost archaotechs that can turn mere men or woman into something far more powerful even than a space marine"Between the times when the Warp drank Alpha Centauri, and the Rise of the Sons of the Emperor, there was an age undreamed of. And onto this, came the Heroes of the Federation. They bore the power of the Machine God in their hands more than any techpriest of this age. Shields that could take the strongest blows, anti-grav thrusters far beyond what any Pteraxii could do, true era disintegrators. Their bodies were of steel, yet not the bulky works of modern man, but of smooth, androids forms indistinguishable to men"As the Leeman Russ is but a converted tractor, so too perhaps our Volkiites are but merely farmers tools, anti pest devices meant to burn out vermin rather than the truest weapons of war gifted to the heroes of the Age of Technology. The Emperor himself hoards all the Adrathics for his Custodes, but perhaps there were other competitors to the Adrathic Brand.As advanced as the Spirit of Eternity is to any Cruiser in our fleet, indeed likely it could hold its own against our fleet without the blackstone fortress, so too would these ancient heroes have been gifted with arms and means to make them perhaps even stand up to a Primarch.On the tabletop Anachis-Scoria in HH was evidently able to stand up to Primarchs with his statsBasically maybe TalOS can either try to replicate some of these ancient legendary artefacts, or if they are beyond his means, send UZ1 on a quest to find them. To become the first of a new resurgent Hero of the Federation, a model for the best and brightest of our most elite soldiers.https://youtu.be/dybc0rQTHsQ
>>5361471>>Spelunking kit, she will likely spend months under the crust of Terra.She will have sensors so strong the earth's curvature won't mean SHIT.
>>5361471 >Spelunking kit, she will likely spend months under the crust of Terra.
>>5361471>Spelunking kit, she will likely spend months under the crust of Terra.>Other: Make her a gun personally. Try to see if there are any designs for weapons that use EMP's as an offensive measure and then combine it with a volkite rifle. She shall be protected from both hostile xenos and heretical machines.
>>5361471>Spelunking kit, she will likely spend months under the crust of Terra.Indiana UZ1 and the Ark of Mars
>>5361471>Spelunking kitThe Hero of the Federation idea is very based and something we should do but we can always implement it later. Especially if we can give her a better chance to find said items beneath Terra while we are busy with the war. We will need someone to find those legendary gears!
>>5361755Weird thing about EMP, it's quite rare. Is that because they are just a lost age relic, or that they have become useless because EMP shielding has become extremely advance? Then again it could just be GDubs does not want to write rules for an EMP device.
>>5361971Well anything "emp" is "if vehicle score an additional wound on a 6" or "+1 to hit" so... mehAh, I am thinking on Arc and haywire weapons, not the same
Or maybe "after being hit (not necesarily wounded) by this weapon the Vehicle unit has a -1 to hit untill your next firing/fighting phase" It would be something like that... how about "If it wounds and the target unit has the vehicle keyword then it recieves d3 mortal wound additional to the damage. If it hits and the target unit has the vehicle keyword then it has a -1 to hit"So it does both... busted? maybe
>>5361971If GW being lazy/dumb is an acceptable answer to a question, then it is always the correct one.
>>5361971Hawywire Attacks = EMP IIRCCawl in the stories has a Haywire Mine strong enough to knock out a swarm of Necron Scarabs unconscious for a time and disable Space Marine Armor for a few seconds.https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Haywire_Weapon
DAMN THOSE ELDARTHEY OFFEND THE MACHINE GOD BY APPLYING HIS SACRED SYMBOLS OF THE ELECTRO-MOTIVE FORCE UPON THEIR FOUL XENOS WEAPONEven the Tau have EMP Grenades and Ionic Discharge cannonsWhy do all these Xenos have so many weapons we don't!This is precisely why I want sometime in the future TalOS to salvage the STC human battlesuits from Dulaath and Gardinaal so 10,000 years from now people can't say "look how advanced the Tau are, they have flying battlesuits! Your armigers can't fly."Bitch, the Old Federation was using Battlesuits and everything the Tau did in the glory days. I am offended that the Aeldari Fusion Gun is a better Melta Pistol than anything in the human arsenal.
>>5361471>Spelunking kit, she will likely spend months under the crust of Terra.Let's hope she does not bring back a sapient cogitator virus.Also these Captcha are getting out of hand Arch Dominus, surely there are no Abominable Intelligences left?
>>5362019Agreed. No Xenos should ever be allowed to have claim to any conventional tech beyond our reach. Especially the Tau. The Necrons are the only exception because we haven't stolen their technology yet.
Here's a question. When Lucius starts producing Titans, should we stick to the Lucius Pattern of Warlord or adopt the Mars Pattern?I personally prefer the Lucius. It's big, bulky, industrially oppressive, and looks far more like the giant slow and terrifying earthshaking artillery platform a Titan is supposed to be. The Mars pattern shares too much resemblance with Imperial Knights (especially the Castellan) such to the point that in some GW animations a lot of fans confuse them for Knights themselves. Plus, it's far more patriotic to Lucius if we stick to our home planets pattern.
>>5362153I want the slowest and box-ier looking sunnovabitch avaible
>>5362156Seriously, who thought it was a good idea to make Titans resemble knights at all. They aren't paragons of chivalry, they are machines of pure industrial wroth. an expression of the Machine God's inexorable force given form. Princeps don't form noble blood lines and dynasties whom their sons grow up to be. Maybe one in ten million even qualify for the trials, and then out of those scarcely any of them survive.They aren't agile, they don't need to be sleek and smooth. Yes, decorate them as you would an Imperator with all the gold trim and cathedralisms you wish, but for Machine God's sake don't make them pretend to be knights!
>>5362164>The Chad Imperial Titan. The Virgin Knight CosplayerFuck Mars lol
The work began without delay with two Tech Priests gathering the materials needed for the future. Taking in the numerous pieces of knowledge that were within the Blackstone Fortress’s archives and putting them to work. The two were of the same understanding that spelunking was going to be the objective when she was upon Terra. Thus as they traveled through the Warp they slowly created the machines. Within the hands of UZ1 she clicked a switch upon the sword. A moment later the weapon lit with a clean blue glow which gave understanding to a satisfied Machine Spirit. It was a simple thing but only demonstrated the knowledge that UZ1 had attained through her apprenticeship. As for TalOS he focused on the creation of a gun whose knowledge was locked with the archives of the Blackstone Fortress. A Haywire weapon, a dangerous and blasphemous weapon that one should always be wary of when it is handled. As UZ1 was going to be going deep into the crust of Terra she will most likely be encountering a series of equally blasphemous Machines that are to be put down. After those, it was simply a matter of the body. The flesh was ultimately weak and thus advancement must be made in transformation into metal. The advancement does not need to be extreme, but ease of travel and the ability to survive environmental problems took priority above all else. When wandering the earth below one’s feet the chances of falling into a ravine or something much more deadly increases so much more. Thus emergency grav chutes were standard along with wall scaling capabilities. Overall TalOS was satisfied with the results. Changes could be made such as the replacement of one’s legs with four mechanical ones, but those would simply be circumstantial. Simply put this was a project that would need to continue through the traveling of Mitu Space, as now TalOS sat upon the Command Throne monitoring their arrival into Mitu Space. Already the main fleet has begun their engagement with the Xenos in the other system. Though what they were arriving at was not a simple battle. TalOS before even stepping into the region they were arriving at a massacre.
Reality was torn asunder as the Machine God blessed his children with reentry into real space. In an instant the sensors of the fleet quickly scryed the system with the ever watchful eye of the Machine God. The Xenos who had been inhabiting the region were quickly terrified with such a massive fleet coming from nowhere. Those seers who were blessed by the Divine Many could not understand how they got under the presence of their multi eye god. Fools they were. Fools thinking that they were something other than mere pawns within the great game of the cosmos. Even when one is at their greatest heights time will make a fool of them in the inevitable arrival of an equal. It happened with the Old Ones, the Eldari, and Humanity. One should of course expect this to happen when it is an eternal battle between gods. When the Mechanicum’s sensors detected the numerous stations within the system they reached out for an attack. Like talons of a great eagle the ray originating from the Blackstone Fortress reached forth towards one of the few defense structures the Xenos have come into the possession of. With a crunch the talons snared a space doc and in the next second crushed it. It was after this attack did the Xenos finally get enough time to mobilize. But it was for a worthless cause as many of them found their systems nearly catatonic and barely able to fire off a revenge barrage against the encroaching enemy. Those attacks only told the Mechanicum where to fire the next shot. With the realization that revenge was impossible the ships began to move away from the system. Quickly abandoning the modest world that they had occupied with the fear of annihilation within their hearts. But the fools only realized so late that their attempts to reach into the realm of their god was severed the moment the enemy fleet came into the system. They were cut off from their god. They could not call out for help as all the choirs were silenced. Many, realizing they could not survive or fight, decided to sacrifice one last life to their god in seeking ascension. Said god, no matter how much he wished for the souls, were all destroyed the moment they entered the warp near the Blackstone Fortress.
+Sanctus Dominus, the last of the enemy fleet have destroyed themselves.+ Announced a Magos as she TalOS a replay on the events, +We have complete naval supiriority.+ +As it should be.+ TalOS declared as he looked through the catalog, +Give me stats on the planet. If my eyes are correct, that is liquid water upon its surface.+ +Scanning.+ Another Magos declared as TalOS was quickly fed an immense amount of information. The Oxygen levels were at 10% with the atmosphere having a decent amount of nitrogen already there. The flora situation was moderate but with it mostly being foreign it would likely cause problems when mankind would attempt to inhabit it. Next to those the material factor was fifty five percent iron with a greater than average nickel deposits. With the system detecting some Lithium within the rock as well the planet was of moderate mineral value. Lastly, for location, the planet was in an okay position for a Forge World. TalOS simply gave a nod to this as he spoke, +What is the estimate turn around for conversion into a Forge World?+ +Fifty Eight Years Sanctus Dominus.+ Declared another Magos as TalOS was fed his thesis. The paper TalOS quickly looked over showed that the planet would be capable of becoming an active Forge World within the allotted time of conquest. It was a simple fact that bombardment was a big factor here, as with cracking a planet it will take six hundred years for the planet to stabilize and become suitable for landing once again. This planet was within the second percentile of planets underneath that mark. It could prove very profitable in the future to take the planet now but there was an immense investment in time, manpower, and upkeep before the planet became self-sustaining. This was a planet that TalOS needed to ponder for a moment. They could not ignore it as the sensors picked up a series of the Xenos Ships upon the planet’s surface. It cannot be left unscathed. >Blow it up, we do not have the time. >Assault it so it can be claimed now>Split the fleet, for the risk is worth both the time and resources.
>>5362302Damn, we dont have Mustafar molten world mining capability? Could we invent it later?
>>5362302>Assault it so it can be claimed now
>>5362302>Other: Talos will display a new style of 2nd Legion Precision>"Bombard these coordinates. I have made a new calculation you have not accounted for"Ferrus Manus was able to display incredible precision of Orbital Strikes on the Planet Gardinaal, obliterating all resistance even while some of his troops were on the ground, and rendering the planet still fit for inhabitation. He even kept some of the civilians alive and specifically kept the capital intact to invade as a show of force.Let us predate him by a few decades eh? Time to try something new than simple exterminatus. Show our fleet why TalOS is truly the Sanctus Dominus!
>>5362302>Assault it so it can be claimed nowHey TMQ, can we do another holy pilgrimage to Mars/Terra to drop off UZ1? I'd love to propose to her a more formal working relationship after she finishes with Malc
>>5362302>Assault it so it can be claimed now>support targeted orbital bombardment >>5362329
From Ferrus Manus: Gorgon of Medusa
>>5362302The difference is between exterminatus or assault the planet. I get what you are asking but that does not matter here and is standard.
>>5362358Was that reply meant for SoN>>5362329>>5362351Or this anon?>>5362307
>>5362302This planet is of mediocre qualities and we are on a schedule. If this were a ocupattion force things would be different but sadly we are conquering right now.>Blow it up, we do not have the time.
>>5362380Becuse of how slow the fortress is. We cannot delay because the other speartip is advancing. They can ( and will ) take some time on each planet but because their warp speed is greater than the fortress
>>5362380>>5362386Qm tends to make these kind of decisions be more than one time deals, so I'm thinking that if we raze this one, it's likely going to be the war strategy for this campaign.
>>5362381Thanks for clarifying.
>>5362302>Blow it up, we do not have the time.
I'm conflicted here.Keeping to time is important.But so is accruing every last planet we can. Gotta keep our edge up against Guilliman. 600 years is waaaaay too longIf we but only had more ships and more if everything. One day we will crank up the Federation to Max. I hope TalOS has a plan B for terraforming in the back of his head.Let us consult the holy Algorithim!>Planet Worth capturing?Maybe(?)>Orbital Bombardment Dangerous?No. We have orbital superiority?>Threat Level Justify Bombardment?...yes. the delay to our strike force could prove costly and splitting our fleet could too.As the Algorithim Demands!>>5362329>Switch to Crack That Planet!
>>5362302>Split the fleet, for the risk is worth both the time and resources.Some degree of risk is acceptable.
I think TalOS has the tactical acumen to make the split plan work guys. Remember we are not playing with a human general but a Primarch. Especially a voidmaster. If we vote it, I'm 110% sure TalOS will make it work.
>>5362302>Split the FleetTalOS will make it work. We did it before too when we were chased by the Mitu and it worked well enough.
>Split the Fleet
>>5362565It would be good but our terraforming tech is shit right now and it's another thing TalOS needs to correct. We need something faster than 600 years.
>>5362465I know the concept wasn't widespread when 40k was created, but it shouldn't be necessary for most empires to colonize planets. The concept of a artificial habitat would be better in every way, and we already have the technology today to build it today. Terraforming worlds is stupid when we can build these stations efficiently.
>Split the fleet, for the risk is worth both the time and resources.Greed is good.
>>5362302>Split the fleet, for the risk is worth both the time and resources.Have faith in the machine god
>>536261940k does have plenty of giant habitable space stations and void factories. Garcia's crown comes to mind.
>>5362791>GarciaLmao, that should be Graia
>>5362302>>Split the fleet, for the risk is worth both the time and resources.Profitsss...
Who do you thinks more frustrated right now?Talos with his large, expansive, voracious empire on the verge of conquering a sector but is wholly and grossly inefficient, backwards and completely reliant on gross human wave attacks and some token wunderwaffe (and likely benefitting from the fact that our rival xenos seem to be inept at combined arms and vehicular production) despite self proclaiming itself to be the grand supplier of war machines to the Imperium with never any time to improve only expandor Roboute. Trapped in his singular system, fine tuning it all to absolute and utter perfection but locked in his tiny little solar system trapped by warp storms seemingly bereft the rest of the universe.
>>5362938Meanwhile in Ultramarine's Primarch Quest 9>REEEEE Macragge QM when does this fucking warp storm end and we can get OUT of here!
>>5362938Roboute is happy folding his shirts and storing them by color so I am voting for TalOS
>>5362938Bob is playing a planetsized version of a Caesar III, and he likes doing that.Meanwhile TalOS is seething from his eternal greed, from being both the tech primarch and a tech priest.
>>5362938I'm still trying to wrap my head around how we have spaceships but not tanks. Rhino chassis stc's date back to the Dark Age, and we have clear references for the baneblade chassis predating the crusade as well. Give panzers nao plz.
>>5363024At best we got italian tankettesTake it or leave it
>>5363024The speed runners curse.It better pay off with AMPLE free time to do all the things. Vulkan style befriending. Arkhan Land Style Spelunking. Having a bigger fancier empire than guillimaning. We've put in the elbow grease almost literally from birth to accelerate the great crusade and our progress massively to buy time and use it.>>5363119If only. I haven't seen any indication we're even fielding our Forge World arbites APCs. It's space marines and skitarii and Knights all the way down.
What if it's a conspiracy by the Knight Houses to encourage all vehicle production plants to devote output to them. So the reason the 2nd and the rest of the Imperium seem to rely solely on infantry blobs and when anything remotely large shows up they're called upon to deal with it. That would explain the disproportionate reliance on knights. Have you noticed anytime theres a problem we just throw the knights at it? We just skip armored assaults or Dreadnoughts entirely. They haven't become a key supplement to our armored forces, they are our only armored forces...
>>5362791 Wait, are you telling me that we can create artificial moons, hand-drawn to extract the maximum resources from any given solar system, and yet we are colonizing planets that are more vulnerable than these structures? Isn't it much easier and safer to split the planets of a random solar system, and then mine the ores in the void?>What the fuck is this?
>>5363211It would be nice if QM could let us know that mining molten worlds is possible without waiting 600 years. Why do we need more forge worlds whewe can just extract and send minerals to our existing ones? We dont even have enough resources for our existing forge worlds as is as seen by how shitty our overall tactics are were basically funneling what we got into the navy and the knights and infantry arms.
>>5363218it's diversifying and increasing the means of production. you can give Lucius unlimited resources but that doesn't mean that can pump out stuff at the same rate as 5 poorer forge worlds. their is a cap to how much any world can produce.
>>5363211>that we can create artificial moonsHonestly I have doubts we can even do that right now. Our most prominent custom ship type is a frigate/escort and some mobile starforts but we haven't even been able to try and make better destroyers or cruisers. We can't afford building a Gloriana alongside the Blackstone Fortress (although we should try to down the line, Dorn had the Phalanx and the Eternal Crusader so he had both his super fortress and his super ship). QM hasn't been clear if the Onus Probandi is Gloriana size or not so I'm inclined to believe it isn't cause he keeps referring to it as a Cruiser when Glorianas in setting are called battleships - to note I think QM also mentioned previously he doesn't like the term battleship and will refer to all capital ships as cruisers which might get confusing when 40k has cruisers and they are smaller than battleships. We do have those mobile space forts I suppose, maybe we would use them now to blockade and assault this planet while our mobile ships move on.If we wanted an artificial moon, we'd likely have had to steal and attempt to purify one from the Orks like during the war of the beast or when Vulkan fought to the core of a Space Moon. I mean, we did purify a blackstone fortress. Also we've yet to fully upgrade the superstructure of the Blackstone Fortress with all the extra guns and an armored superstructure so it truly rivals the Phalanx and becomes a living temple of the Machine God, that could be our battle moon operation. We do have those nice new superweapons at least.Or do what the Orks did and strap some rockets onto an asteroid platform. For now, this is very much a case of Talos shouting to the void for a crusade and whatever forge worlds can spare, them throwing whatever amounts of skitarii they can (no Tech Thralls either because they are still reeling from the Age of Strife or perhaps are still a bit skeptical of Talos, no vehicles probably for a similar reason even though forge worlds would nominally be tank producers) and then just relying on the knights or ships to carry the day when throwing masses of infantry can't break through the enemy. Which honestly isn't so bad, except using skitarii as meat shields is a waste.Lucius may be rich and have fleets to rival the Emperors, but it's clearly doing so at great cost to the quality of its forces.>>5363227Tbh until Lucius starts making baneblades and tanks along with its other duties as it did in 40k, I don't believe it or any other forge world so far has reached maximum capacity. Just struggling to maintain what we have now.
>>5363236>I don't believe it or any other forge world so far has reached maximum capacitydoesn't mean we can't plan for the future.
>>5363218 Don't worry about resources, as soon as the government reforms are voted on I will introduce the refined version of my economic plan. If it is approved, there will be no material or weapon that we will miss, I guarantee that.>>5363236 Nano, artificial habitats are not ships. they are space stations capable of expanding without relying on external resources. Think of them as void hive's, structures capable of expanding over time refining the materials present in the system where the initial smaller model was left. When the resources of this possible system were exhausted this station would be the largest and slowest warship in our arsenal. In short, we didn't need to build the entire station first, it would build itself.
>>5363266So yeah basically Graia's crown, mobile extraction space stations. The question is could they be made to operate on cracked or molten worlds
>>5363236When I was told we had an Admech Cruiser, I assumed it was broadly similar to the ones you would see in battlefleet gothic, which is to say a heavily modified lunar, tyrant, dictator, etc. It would be nice to get a look at our dockyard capacity to see what it's actually possible to build, as everything we're doing right now is basically within the armed merchant/heavy escort classes.
Assault it now>>5362310>>5362340>>5362335>>5362464Orbital Bombardment>>5362465>>5362380>>5362416Split the fleet>>5362512>>5362535>>5362647>>5362909>>5362570>>5362620Alright, we will see what we can make here. Its gonna be a tick for this to be finished as I can only write half now and half later. Likely going to be mostly action. Also, this planet is one of the ones that can potentially become a Forge World. For mining you have planets more similar to Venus or an Astroid belt to feed you materials (And thats ignoring Agri-Worlds that will be filled with peasants and Knights)
>>5363291I have a feeling that by the time we have a ultramar-sized section of space we are going to have a shit ton of knight worlds
>>5363295Knight and Forge Worlds. You are the ones who broker a deal with the Knights of Dutonis to give them land in exchange for Knowledge.
>>5362302>Assault it so it can be claimed nowcan't remember if i voted.
>>5363286Iirc QM wants to classify all capital ships, even those termed "battleship" as cruiser so there in lies the confusion when differentiating 40k cruisers from 40k battleships if they all fall under cruiser. Gloriana, Emperor, etc. Would be termed as cruisers in this game
>>5363296If only our forge worlds did so well as our Knight Worlds. It's incredible how inept they were during the long night. The Knight Worlds preserved every knight STC, every pattern, every tactic there is nothing left for us to research. Meanwhile the forge worlds offer us only some ships and mere infantry units and have no war vehicles and leave us with 90% of rediscovery left to do. They couldnt produce a division of goliath trucks to save their metal hides.
>>5363352Well you say that but the have massive forges and everything else. And for the most part they salvaged those.
>>5363352Hey, shut your trap. A forge world preserved some kickass davinci-tier bat people. That alone is enough
Not to mention the fact that legio astorum was preserved as in no one in existence has titans that has their own internally built teleporter not even the xenos. Either way we just need to find an ark mechanicum and there most of our technology issues are solved.
>>5363352Just look at this goofy fella. The wings make no sense!! They have a skill named "thermal riders" which allows them to be reinforcements and deepstrike for free
The entire fast attack battlefield role of the admech is so flamboyant. They have chickens that don't fly, chickens that do fly and husars. So cool...
>>5363444They have Massive Forges but can only manage to use them to arm skitarii. Like, seriously, not even building sentinels or some light vehicle they're just focused on skitarii gear, ship materials, and spare knight parts it seems. And were supposed to be better armed. How the Imperium hasnt crumbled from the sheer vehicle shortage is beyond me.>>5363453Pteraxii are just 40k Mechanicus cope because they cant achieve 30k Mechanicum better equivalents for flying scouts or anti grav options. Its noteworthy they at least had them, but I'm surprised they havent even helped us develop jet bikes for our marines. But it ignores the wider issue at large when the most noteworthy ground force contribution of the forge worlds of two sectors is makeshift infantry and none of them are able to send war machines (and none of our worlds are able to build them) something is terribly wrong. It's being pleased at Catachans being slightly stronger guardsmen when the entire Astra Militarum is unable to build Leeman Russ tanks or Basilisks. I have a bad feeling Russ is going to discover the damn STC for the Russ Tank at this rate before a single forge even figures out how to get the Malcadors tank on an assembly line and those were supposed to be worse than the Russ.>>5363463It's just that if this is 30k are they really going to be the exact same type of unit as the 40k variant? Nothing more noteworthy or better? Like at least some better guns or more advanced propulsion. It's being impressed by a forge world preserving Assault Bikes when they are just poor substitutes for Jet Bikes. Or a forge world being proud of shielding the STC for low caliber autoguns but werent able to protect the ones for basic lasguns.
TalOS had to run through the methods, the simple fact being that the planet did indeed have value. Judging from the local system there was a plethora of places that extract materials from and a liquid water atmosphere to build upon. The only real issue with this planet is that it is not near an agri-world, which meant its population growth would be stunted. But just as Forge Worlds could be made, Agri-Worlds could be made the same. For this planet, if processed correctly, it could become either. As such its value was evident and needed to be used. +I declare that we shall administer a splinter force of ten ships upon this planet to clear it out. Bombardment shall be kept to rad-saturation as the aim will be to terraform the planet after.+ TalOS declared as he looked upon his bridge, +There is no shame if when the enemy attempts to escape that we strike out against them in force with kinetic bombardment.+ Upon his words the mechanicum moved. One could easily describe TalOS as a god with the simple declaration of assault that was given upon the planet. Though much weight was given to it as he processed the values of it, to those below it was simply the decleration of someone who might as well be a god. But he was not a god, only the conduit of one. For the Mechaincum served the Machine God. All of their actions were done in service of the Machine God to gather knowledge within his name. Upon their deaths they shall join his mass of knowledge, growing the ever knowing mass of human knowledge. According to the words of the Sanctus Dominus, ten ships were shedded for the express desire of domination. Even before the Blackstone Fortress left the system the ships were opening up with a rad bombardment in an effort to kill both the native peoples and whatever plantlife there might have been upon the planet. Of those who assaulted it about half of them will return to the fleet, many of them taking stakes of the land in which they conquered under their adamantine feet. The beginnings of a new Forge World, soon to be followed by the Agri Worlds that would be used to support its immense output in resources. All in the name of the Machine God. Glory be to his name.
To the Scions of the All Seeing they could not realize the sudden darkness that one of their planets became. The planet which should have been vastly more secure than it was previously was silent. The confusion only continued as the second and third planets went silent. What could have been a freak accident quickly showed a pattern to the follower of sight. With little knowledge they sent forward a small scouting force to help realize what was approaching them.In mid communication between Scorches they fell silent, the scout force falling silent as they were but ten systems away from the Nexus World they inhabited. It was then that the Xenos learned to fear. Quickly information was gathered from all reaches, from either spies of other groups. Small parcels of information from the fourth most outposts coming in crying out how they were forsaken by the All Seeing one. That being made not of crystal but metal rained down upon them for an eradication of their civilizations. Quickly another of the Seers gathered information from their spies in the infidels. The spies answered that the metal foe of the All Seeing One had emerged again from their dreadful planet of iron. The true name of their foe was given by the few prisoners that could be gathered.The Mechanicum. It was a simple realization that whatever was coming towards them was some sort of Mechanicum super weapon. There was no reason to deny that it was such a super weapon as the entire fleet was hidden from the scrying eyes of the Seers. The eyes of the Many-Eyed one were seemingly blotted by those infidels. Thus the ships were raised on high alert, preparations made to fight. >We could just go around them and fuck with them. >Spook with them, hang out on the edge and just let the Blackstone Fortress’s Aura fuck them>A straight up fight, no reason to play with our food.
>Spook with them, hang out on the edge and just let the Blackstone Fortress’s Aura fuck themI’m gonna be honest I know we are in war but come on we haven’t gotten any other chances to fuck with them at all not to mention the damage of its presence should be fun. Plus I doubt we will get a chance to have such fun on a massive scale.
>>5363529>Spook with them, hang out on the edge and just let the Blackstone Fortress’s Aura fuck them
>>5363529>A straight up fight, no reason to play with our food
>>5363529>Spook with them, hang out on the edge and just let the Blackstone Fortress’s Aura fuck themLet the enemy fear our Silence, and dread our Sound
>>5363529>A straight up fight, no reason to play with our food.
>Spook with them, hang out on the edge and just let the Blackstone Fortress’s Aura fuck themFOR SCIENCE! I WANNA SEE WHAT THIS DOES!
>>5363529>Spook with them, hang out on the edge and just let the Blackstone Fortress’s Aura fuck themI wonder if Talos already has an idea how to increase or decrease the strength of the Blackstone Fortress Aura at will
>>5363529>>A straight up fight, no reason to play with our food.I an unhappy this option doesn't have FUCK in it compared to the other two, but it is the one I choose nonetheless
After we deal with Mitu how many worlds there will be in Federation?Also I wonder why is TalOS okay with Noosphere/Lucian teleporters when it was noted they use Warp to work and he hates/depise it? Hell how those techs can even work in shadow of Blackstone Fortress?And another question. Just what is mechanism that canticles use? Are they Faith powred? Basic Motive Force manipulation from C'tan? Or do Mechanicum forces have more systems in their bodies than they can power at the same time with canticles being redirection of power to such for turning them on?
>>5363444>"the have massive forges and everything else. And for the most part they salvaged those."What does "everything else" mean exactly. What other assets are forge worlds giving us. "They have massive forges" but what are those massive forges making for us?Hard to shake off the impression all we have is just infantry, knights&Titans, and ships because that's we see so far. Every time we ask if there's anything else we have, what our assets are, there's just dead silence. Throwing skitarii&marines like sacks of potatoes and then knights as hammers as our ground "strategy"There's a huge disconnect between Knights starting off with everything (from one world nonetheless), and the excruciating grind of gathering even the most basic low tier Mechanicus units of 40k, let alone 30k. All we had to do at Dutonis was show up and bam: "Want to build a cerastus or acastus? Sure. Want to invent Cawls Plasma Canon? Done. Want to shrink a Volcano Cannon for Alpharius spear? No problem. Create entirely brand new steeds for two cool Knight characters done" all the potential of the Knights opened in one swoopMeanwhile we've reconnected with Mars, forge worlds of Segmentum Solar, Pacificus, and half of Lucius, and supposedly made the Federation "great" and all we have to show for it is just post heresy jet glider skitarii and only starting Thalaxii production, and the implication that we've had to delay the Sicarian rustalkers to do so. We have to pick between whichj very basic Mechanicus unit we want to have, where as we never had to pick between what Knight patterns to discover. We haven't met a single vehicle ace pilot marine or to do an upgrade for so much as a sentinel the entire quest. We fought through the once dreaded Mitu and Grail Orks with nothing but foot soldiers. Even the sophistication of our Legion comes to question like do we have dreadnoughts, jetbikes, rhino, etcThe only upshot is it seems Orks and Mitu are also into "Infantry-Gargants-Ships only, we don't need no vehicles"Knights start off at full potential and can now innovate, we are creating new things for them and can enjoy the 2nd Primarch invention kino. But Taghmata are a very long road to even get to 41st millenium sophistication before we even scratch Great Crusade. It's fine that Dunecrawlers and Ironstridres aren't around yet those were invented in this era, maybe even no baneblades, but there's also no Skorpius Disintegrators, no Aerocopters, no Seberys mounts, no rhinos and those are only 40kGiven that, the only explanation is the Knights were better caretakers of technology than techpriestsA lot of the pressure to rush and clamor for these basic, non-exotic, and desu in most 41st millenium cases, crude techs is also you saying you don't want to run for too long, you want to reach the HH sooner, so there's anxiety if by the time of the HH we weren't able to achieve the best of what the 30k Mechanicum can do>>5363466If we only had those things. They are cool
>>5364058QM already said he writes about skitarri, knights and titans because it's what he read on the mechanicus books and is what inspired him to start the quest.So just inagine that the tanks and artillery are there, but he is placing focus on those tabletop units instead of writing about combined warfare.Probably because he would have started an imperium guard quest if that was his interest. Maybe one day he will write one and we will finally get a planetary governor quest that doesn't die.
>>5364112>So just inagine that the tanks and artillery are thereThat's really the question we'd like answered then. Is that true? All he has to say is we have the good shit in the background and that would settle everything. But there's not been a definitive answer so it feels more like player cope. He does not have to write about them just let us know we definitively have them for our imagination and sanity. Also the Mechanicum and Legionnes Astartes did use tanks like the Admech Krios or the Legion Malcador and Legion Basilisk and they did practice combined warfare so at least knowing it occurs in the background would be satisfying enough.
>>5364129we at the very least know that the legion came with dreadnaughts because we mentally compared them to the Thalaxii
>>5364184a non /QST/ quest REEEEE
>>5364201sir leave the goalpost where it was
I still want for us to make some primaris mechanicus marines
>>5364284We did make the Magnificat and TalOS is the best Genetor of the Legion, unfortunately I doubt he'll get the same level of trust to gain access to the direct pure Primarch genes like Corax did only after his legion was slaughtered near to a man after Istvaan. What I'm thinking is possible is Precursor Primaris (Protomaris? Premaris?) who more resemble the Sons of Anteus or Storm Giants where they stand several inches taller than most and have fantastic regen. At the same time however, why invest in tedious, tempermental flesh when we can just make our space marines all 3/4s robot like the Iron Hands. Instead of spending years growing them tall, just build them larger bodies in a fraction of the time. No one says their body has to be the same height as the original.The best mix I feel is this:-Robot Outer Body that can be scaled up or down at will (veteran marines get bigger and stronger toooootally not mimicking the Orks but surely just because they deserve the upgrades)-Extremely stabilized vital organs and geneseed. Hearts, Brains, etc. capable of dealing with greater stress and injury, with mechanical backups.We already replace much of the Geneseed of the Acillians with technology, so those few that are irreplacable we can focus our Genetor Genius there. The best of both worlds and possibly better scaled to mass production.
>>5364305Think of it like this. If a Marine gets his arms or legs blown off, that's a serious injury, with loads of bleeding that could prove fatal. Or if he gets shot through the torso with a bullet or beam.But if an Iron Hands style Robot marine gets an arm blown off, that's hardly a problem. If anything it makes battlefield prostethic replacement even faster. They don't suffer from pain or fatigue. Hell if you shoot them through the torso and miss the vital organ tanks they won't even feel it.A marine has to train his life to build strong muscles that will always have some upper limit. A Mech Marine can just get grafted on a bionic arm twice as strong in a day. And an extra one.Machinery is the way to go.
Also less pesky flesh means more room for armor underneath the armor! And not being reliant on flesh legs means we can give them better servos able to hold up heavier armor as a standard.
>>5363529>Spook with them, hang out on the edge and just let the Blackstone Fortress’s Aura fuck themHey Vsauce Michael here.Did you know that psykers are scary and spooky?But what could spook the soopky ones?Well … a rock. A Big Black Rock to be exact.
>>5364323 This image is magnificent Nano, where do you find it?
>>5364335Ye olde Google Images and if I want to findAnd if that don't work, add "pinterest"This is the artist it seems https://40k.gallery/gabriel-santar/
>The Big Black Rock is comingI am pissed off for some reason>The all seeing god's priests do their damnest to divine what is going on>They gather a thousand of their strongest to divine in unison>After ten hours of psykic orgy the last slug standing says>The big black rock>Passes out
I am excited when we meet the Iron Hands. Where as we shared a love of defensive strategem with the fists, I feel it is with the IH our love of augmentation and bionics will truly shine.We build forts for fun with the IFWe go to weapon ranges and goggle at fine crafts with the SalamandersBut it's only with the Iron Hands that we can truly, and quite literally, test our mettle to mettle.Eventually it will come to a point where our legion are so mechanical they can't 'fairly' duel with other legions, not without removing parts of their body that would give too much advantage. But with the Iron Hands that won't matter. We can attach every last augment and basically become mini-dreadnoughts and so can they and we can unleash it big cyborg fights. More the so, we will create constant competition for who can make the best and deadliest cyborg builds.We will clasp the Iron Hand with the Dragons Claw as we plunge into the cold metal depths of the Machine God's dreams together.
>>5364376Got to remember that while the IH liked augmentations, FM hated it.So there is going to be some major disagreements there.
>>5364382Yes, but like the Emperor and the Mechanicus, he couldn't openly voice against it. Not even to his brothers. He wanted to rip off his arms but knew he could only do that come peace after the war, lest his legion lose their effectiveness while the war raged on. But of course, in the grim darkness of the future...
>>5364376Think how much noospheric bandwidth will be taken up by never ending bodycraft debates and arguing over the build meta, with huge spikes whenever our legions are in proximity for the duels. The techpriests are going to rip their dendrites out trying to keep the data cogitator banks from exploding.
>>5364184>Complains about 30k Thread>Posts 40k thread as a goal post. lol ok.
He's standing there, menacingly. >>5363540>>5363560>>5363668>>5363783>>5363537>>5363594>>5364326Fight a Straight up fight>>5363545>>5363563>>5363901
>>5363903> Probably 1,000 being decentralized in the end. These words are being shared with thousands of both Admech and Knights, so with the Federation being a 'Democracy' it will reflect. >Good question, honestly I think its because he understands the tech completely. Unlike say, traveling through the warp, Noosphere is very reliable and dependable with no track record of someone being possessed through it. Same with Teleportation as most of the time its re-entry that causes problems. But I would call this my own head canon, which is ironic. >Now now we are not at that part of the story yet. I have also taken notice of that.
>>5364537>OKSo I guess we don't have any other stuff in the background? Okay then. I mean, would have been cool to imagine though but you're the QM. WW1 tactics HO!>>5364542We're more like 2k at this rate lol>90% infantry. 10% ship based artillery. No tanks, no transports, all armies move on foot. Gas weapons and even Jermanic soldiers. Focuses on forts and fortification building
>>5364587 QM sorry for the inopportune time question but, what is the name that the emperor gave to Tal0S legion? So far I've only seen mentioned with the second legion.
>>5364542I think that was about what I said in spoiler, which was that every planetary governor/imperial guard quest died, so that would be why he linked to one that didn't, and not that he wanted this quest to become like that one.Or atleast I hope that is the case.
>>5364597Just that, the Second Legion. Some Legions got names, some didn't. I might be wrong, but all Legions either had their names given by their Primarch or by Heresay. Well, maybe except for the Emperor's Children and the Sons of Horus later on.
*shrughs* I was just posting proof that not all quests crash and burn. And yesas even reading an abriged summary of the quest in 1d4chan took me two afternoons... but it is one of those quests where no one knows to how to end it besides going radio silent.Something that attracts me to this quest is that we are seemingly okay with the idea that TalOS may end up obliterated or into bits Bits as in pieces but also as in data ehe, word play you see?
>>5364601 I see, from this point forward we will be known as the Metamarines! Meta coming from metallic, not for breaking the lore.
>>5364610Ah, I see. Yeah its a sad thing but thats how Quests work. I'm lucky this Quest has an end point. If you saw earlier I did lay out my plans and they have yet to change (but this war might be going faster than I thought. If thats the case we might be meeting more Primarchs!)
>>5364610>we are seemingly okay with the idea that TalOS may end up obliterated or into bitsSpeak for yourself.Obliterated to bits isn't so bad if we can get his brain to escape mad scientist style. Think Trazyn or Cawl and their backup plans. But hell no am I not going to fight tooth and nail to avoid him getting Ferrus Manus'd or Sanguineous'd.
TalOS is the type of paranoid man who would try to find ways to cheat death at any cost (except going to Chaos or corruption). Perhaps the Dragon of Mars may one day implant the idea of bio-transference into his head.