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As always, there was a sense of pressure whenever one stays upon the Blackstone Fortress. Let them be a standard human, an agent of the Mechaincum, or an Astartes all can feel the ever flowing presence of the Blackstone.

Many of the humans would spend most of their day near one of the few purple lights that kept their sanities intact. The Mechanicum, while they did indeed spend time away from these sources of life, would always come back to them no matter how much metal was upon their bodies. For the Astartes, they were no better than the Mechanicum Adepts.

All of this occurred under the watch of TalOS DAV1S, Vadar’s Father.

The Legion Master took a moment to rub his hand against the small machine that was settled upon his neck. The foreign object was a Vox Caster with a built in lexicon. He was informed by the Priests of the Mechanicum that it was a first step to understanding the real voice of his father.

For that is what Binary was and he was not a fool to deny it. Whenever he heard his father speak there was an ever so subtle inflection that told the Astartes that the Primarch barely ever used his real voice. That it was rare and only used for when he was in the presence of those who failed to understand the theological language of the Martians.

Theologic. In truth the Legion Master did not care for things such as Theocracy and the like. The Emperor at one point preached that there were no gods and that humanity was the sole heir to the galaxy. Maybe if Vadar grew up under such a mantel but the Jermanic Tribes were Katholic. He assumed that to be the reason why he accepted the Machine God before others, and there was a stark contrast between those raised by the Barbarians and those who were raised by the Emperor’s people.

In the end they were all theocrats in one shape or another, even the Emperor. Ultimately the Machine Spirits made sense to Vadar as he walked into the hanger bay. None kept him away as Vadar stood before the largest of the God Machines present.

Particep Semper, the God Machine that named his father Princep. Even now as he looked upon such a massive machine the Legionnaire could not help but feel the connection between them. An eternal hunger for battle that even now he kept in solace.

His Father made an agreement early in his lifetime. The Emperor, for all his glory, was lying when he said there were no other Gods. They existed, and the Second Legion was forever bound to the servants of the Machine God.

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Even as his attention was drawn to Particep Semper he did not stop paying attention to his surroundings. The Second Legion knowing full well that plans never come to forwishen, and thus death will follow to those who fail to notice the signs. Such an idea was driven into him by the Custodes and the Marine who led his very first mission.

It was this moment that he turned the moment footsteps of metal upon metal came to his ear. You cannot say though that metal upon metal was the exact point of realization as there was plenty of that happening around him as the Mechanicum performed maintenance on Particep Semper. No, it was a pair of stomping that was closer in relation to his own that caught his ears.

Thus the Legion Master turned and greeted his Equal, “Legion Master Matthias.” He announced while giving the Cog Mechanicum to his fellow.

“Legion Master Vadar.” Declared the Imperial Fist as he gave the sign of unification.

Vadar looked upon the symbol that he was served under for a long moment of contemplation.

It was his fellow Legion Master that broke the spell, “Is something troubling you?”

“Times change once again brother.” Declared Vadar as he relaxed his hands, “Once, we both presented the symbol of Unification, then the newest recruits presented the Aquila. Now, the 2nd presents the Cog.”

“As is expected.” Matthias answered as he looked dead eye upon Vadar, “It is a problem only you and those underneath you have currently as we both know. Just with the Aquila, the new will edge you out.”

“One hundred to one, that is the ratio of the second when referencing those born before and after the Treaty of Olympus.” Vadar declared as he supported the inference of his brother.

“Two hundred to one within the seventh.” The Fist responded only to confirm that the second were not the only ones to have changed so drastically.

“Then it shall be good to know that at least those in the future can serve my Father well in the future.” Vadar’s face had grown a shade of hopefulness as he knew he was in the presence of a friend. He was no fool though as he heard the heavy beats of Matthias’s hearts.

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The two of them stood between one another as they took in the other’s presence. It was the only thing they could do as Matthias weighed out what exactly he wanted to say, for there was obviously something to say. Such speechlessness only occured to Astartes who had received news from a specific source.

“What does the Emperor desire of -” For a moment Vadar was about to make a damning mistake, “you, the Imperial Fists for?”

“The Emperor wishes for us to prepare a series of defenses across Segmentum Pacificus to assist in the scouting of interior worlds. We will be securing regions to permit Imperial Expansion by minor exploratory forces.”

“Will there be hostiles in the area or not?”

“There will be. A majority of sectors I plan to reinforce are currently under control by both Xenos and Divergent Human elements.” The Imperial Fist answered straightly.

“Reasonable.” Vadar answered as he could only agree with the Master of Mankind’s objective.

“It is, as expected from the Emperor.” Matthias said as he looked upon his brother, “I will be seeing the expansion happen myself.”

“Then you will be leaving this Reconquista.” Declared Vadar as he realized the exact reason his fellow was here.

“That is correct.”

Vadar took in a breath as he looked back up towards the great Titan before them, “I thank you for alerting me of this fact. I am sure my Father is already aware of the fact even as you’ve not alerted him to it.”

“As is expected of a master like him.” And there for a moment Vadar noticed something there within his cousin. Matthias soon gave the words that Vadar knew he came to speak, “As the Orks have been wiped out I understand that the Reconquest turns towards the Mitu Collective. Will you require the services of the Imperial Fists, even if they are lesser than before?”

>No, Matthias, it was an honor serving with you for all these years.
>A small contingent is fine. We can always use your expertise.
>While you’ve awarded us, my Father will think otherwise. You will leave with an Auxilia.

>>5352211
>A small contingent is fine. We can always use your expertise.
no reason to deny help even if they are only in advisory roles.

>>5352211
>A small contingent is fine. We can always use your expertise.
>Other: But it would feel ill to deprive your legion of fine warriors. Would your Legion want to take some of the 2nd?
The 2nd Legion is a cooperative nature. We will one day be the model that teaches the Techmarines throughout our 19 brothers ranks. To obtain the welcome advice and example of our brothers sons is welcome, as is to return the favor in kind.

Also it would allow them to learn of the Imperial Fists legion methods up front and personal, and send reports to us, as data collectors, as well as to their enemies and the situation on the fronts. That's the other reason we're gonna spread our boys out. Eyes and ears.

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One servo-arm or two?
Vaylund Cal unit has two
https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/space-marines/Vaylund-Cal

>>5352204
>https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=The%20Machine%20QM
Upvoat the threads you basement niggers

>>5352211
>A small contingent is fine. We can always use your expertise.
Also I recognise that symbol from Age of Wonders 3, human theocrat with keeper of peace, creation and expander specializations was my go to combo.

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>>5352211
>“What does the Emperor desire of -” For a moment Vadar was about to make a damning mistake, “you, the Imperial Fists for?”
>What does the emperor desire of your legion
bruh

Guys, how can you NOT vote for the furthering of this bromance??? We have to pull an uno reverse card on the Imperial Fists
>While you’ve awarded us, my Father will think otherwise. You will leave with an Auxilia.

>No YOU get the services of the 2nd legion.

>>5352277
if he only has one arm, what would you balance it with?

>>5352211
>While you’ve awarded us, my Father will think otherwise. You will leave with an Auxilia

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>>5352211
>A small contingent is fine. We can always use your expertise.

>>5352204
God-Emperor I love this quest, I really hope we get to a Feudal World and get to really codify the Lay-Mechanis or even become the Mecha-Pope

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>>5352277
TalOS can follow the official model and have a gun on the other shoulder if QM let him. If not I believe he would want 2 because why wouldnt he?
>>5352337
You could ask the firstborn techmarines the same thing, their servo-arm was bigger than their leg. My guess is some gyroscope or anti grav harness.
>>5352376
A number of us are hoping to make some major reforms and reorganizations, once we've unified the sector after the war. As for becoming Fabricator General, it's a possible option but currently we've befriended the current Fabricator General and might instead stop him from going to Chaos.

>>5352211
>A small contingent is fine. We can always use your expertise.
>Insist they take some 2nd Legion with them
The contingent that stays could become the first Imperial Fist techmarines

Wait, rereading the update, isn't catholicism in 30k misspelled as catheric instead of katholic?
Or is it suposed to be like a different sect, a difference in a dialect between high and low gothic?

>>5352569
The thing was, I did not know how they mispelled it. I just knew they could so I took a shot in the dark.

>>5352579
Alright QM, that makes more sense than what I thought.

>>5352211
>While you’ve awarded us, my Father will think otherwise. You will leave with an Auxilia.
>A small contingent is fine. We can always use your expertise.
These are the options that let him return to his Legion with reinforcements from us, but still let us keep some fists for advisory correct
>>5352569
QM means Catheric, just a question if he is going for modern Catholicism as worshipped by technobarbarians, or more like early Germanic Christianity ala the Franks and Alamanni.

>>5352579
That makes me curious about something: Depending on your interpretation of the myth, Ollanius Pious is either a perpetual who kept his faith alive in Jermany, or could be a normal human who will be born at least 100 years from now to Jermanic descended parents and against all odds be the only guardsmen out of millions to board the Vengeful spirit and make it all the way to the bridge.

>>5352491
In that mini the arm is balanced by the macro stubber on the left!!!!!

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>>5352610
That model has a bolter not a macrostubber but yes, if QM permits TalOS to have a shoulder mount gun. One of our sons gave us a macrostubber. Also it's a lot more balance than some of the original techmarine models. Space marines are probably strong and techmarine stronger so they dont care

>>5352206
Hmm Katholic that makes me think dont we have a trinity here? It would be neat if the second legion started to understand our faith like : Father:Emperor Son:Tal0s Holy Spirit:Machine Spirits/Void Dragon
What do you guys think? Since we know from Vadar that Jermanic tribes were Catheric.

>>5352621
I'm keen on the idea of incorporating the tribes technobarbarian origins and culture into the legion. If Russ got to keep his Fenrisian culture, Khan his Chogoris culture, what prevents us from appreciating the Jermanic?

>>5352621
Thing is, the mechanicus faith already kind of is a trinity isn't it?
The Machine God is the father, the perfect logic, the Ominissiah is the son, the promised savior taken human form, and the Motive Force is the holy spirit, the divine will made manifest in all of the universe.

>>5352625
I was thinking along the lines that we integrate these elements for the space marines like this
>>5352624

>>5352627
Oh ok.
In that case it would be even easier to translate, since there is a very close equivalents already in place.
My new headcanon is that in canon, the imperial fists took a large portion of the 2nd, and they later joined the black templars in their eternal crusade, so that's why they have the teutonic knights motif

>>5352211
>A small contingent for you
>We could enjoy a small contingent.

Get the exchange going. Let our guys go and their guys come. Solidify ties.

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Nice thing about the Jermanics being Catheric is the Cult Mechanicus has some Catheric overtones even before Lorgar had spread the Imperial cult. Candles, Prayers, Rites, Priests and Monks, Robes, Incense and so on. Our faith is ideal for its similarities.

Most of all, I so want to push for Talos favored instrument to be the Organ. Think about it, the Organ is the only musical device that is also a machine. It must surely be divine. And he can play it with tiny mechadendrites Davy Jones style.

What is the Particeps Semper but a giant walking Cathedral? Lorgars out there and he's going to be building up his churches soon. One day we can make the Particeps Semper fit for grand oratory sermons even in the heat of battle. Then all we need to do is install an exorcist style missile battery organ on the back linked up a keyboard within, so in between the speeches he can blare out Mechanicus Hymns

>>5352695
I said it once and I will say it again, it must be an organ with a synth option and tubular bells installed.

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>>5352697
This is mandatory.
The missile launches will provide the audible sound, each missile set to a different key.
The Transonic cannon batteries will blare the synth

And in addition to the tubular bells made of blackened Solarium, a glorious Devotional Bell made of Blackstone, exactly like a Custodian Titan. Only instead of a peal of divine holy Emperor energy, it's waves of null energy blessed by the Void Dragon, to drive away heretical spirits and psychic xenos.

>>5352695
Speaking of Lorgar, should we try to convert him to the Omnissiah? Wouldn't that be a pretty fun way to say FUCK OFF to chaos?

I can just imagine Tzeentch raging in his basem-labyrinth about this upstart Machine God foiling his plans, before rubbing his hands in merchant-like manner and repeatedly stating to himself that everything was going according to the plan.

>>5352695
>>5352697
Don't forget upgrading the Particeps Semper to Apocalypse class. Maybe in the darkest hour of the Rangdan War, when hope is dire, it will be one of the keys to victory.

>>5352708
I'd eat my hat if there were even a 0.01% possibility of that. It's almost certainly far too late by now.
The Primarchs are adult men. That means Lorgar has already:
-Been found, raised and indoctrinated by Kor Phaeron
-Is currently receiving and misinterpreting visions of the Emperor and Magnus

By the time the Emperor finds him and we learn of it, (He was one of the later primarchs found, most of the Chaos ones were found really late with Fulgrim, Horus, and Magnus being exceptions) he will have already essentially conquered his planet in the name of the Church of the One God.

Colchis is a hot and barren desert world with minimal technology, I have a hard time seeing the merits of the Machine appealing to him. He may accept that the Machine God exists, being polytheistic (the Emperor is driving out the other gods, rather than that they didn't exist) but that might just make him hate him more. Because the Machine God is merely a god "too big to fail" that the Emperor refuses to challenge him. And thus, his faith is censured while we are free to practice ours openly.

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>>5352722
>The Emperor: Stop preaching your ridiculous faith and building temples and go and conquer worlds
>Lorgar: My brother literally rides around in a giant walking temple making sermons that can be heard across the planet
>The Emperor:

>>5352722
Then maybe we can use this fact to appeal to the Big-E in some manner. He allows us to worship Honda Civics, why can't he let Lorgar pray to him? I just kinda wanna see loyalists Word Bearers who rule over the Eclesiarch.

>>5352729
Lmao. Also to be fair, at least our faith actually does have us going out and conquering worlds. Turns out it's a lot more efficient when your temples are factorums and fortresses and worship is the business of war.

>>5352731
It's part of the 40k Grim Darkness shtick. That if Lorgar had just waited and stayed loyal somehow, in 100 years after the HH he'd have been vindicated and would be seen as one of the greatest Primarchs of all time and the first Ecclesiarch. Just like Magnus would have been if he had been there to sit on the Golden Throne so Malcador didn't have to die. He might have lived to see Imperial Saints of the Emperor, but also be incredibly depressed at having failed him and seeing his wounded form upon the Golden throne. Which now that I type it out seems kinda cool and fitting, a bit like the Lamentation of Christ.
https://youtu.be/k1-TrAvp_xs

If somehow that were to happen, I can see it being possible reconciliation point between Talos and Lorgar, as we both regret the Emperor's loss.

But I very much don't see how that could plausibly happen short of an act of actual divine luck and fortune.

>>5352735
We are basically the chosen of the Void Dragon aren't we? So we probably already have divine luck by our side.

Actually, now that I spoke of the Void Dragon, do you guys remember that we have the capability to learn Chronomancy? Like, just imagine, every Primach crying over the Emperor on the Golden Throne, then TalOS gets there, says "nope," and BAM! Turns back time of the Emperor's body, regenerating it!

I was thinking about the fact that we can learn Chronomancy

>>5352731
Thing is, we can worship only because we aren't directly under the Imperium, but a part of the Mechanicus.
>>5352735
Yeah, before we were found we were already crusading on our own, and now we are doing it with even more resources. If by the time we are done we have the entire ghotic sector plus a few neighboring ones, we would be rivaling the Ultramarimes. And that is without trying to pass some reforms to make the forge worlds even more efficient.
Meanwhile Lorgar was dragging his feet because he wanted to fully convert each planet before moving to the next one.

>>5352737
We actually did try to do that, but unfortunately our efforts ends up being a death trap because we're still too close to the warp so when we tried to make a time stasis field we faced the horrors of the immaterium and had to be pulled out. We need to severe our Warp Connection somehow, either by surrounding ourself with a powerful enough null field or, more likely, becoming a null ourselves.

There is evidence in canon this is possible, as there are canon Grey Knights who became nulls through constant exposure to null fields despite that their geneseed is that of the Emperor himself. And the nature of the Sensei and even some of the skin that flakes off him as dust from the Imperial throne is indication, the Sensei are like the opposite of him having a pariah while the stuff that sloughs off his body is used in psy-out grenades.

So perhaps, much like Blackstone, reversing/draining the polarity of someone is doable even for a Son of the Emperor. As a final resort, there is also biotransferrence, but that is such an incredibly extreme step.

>>5352738
The benefits of being a mystery cult and staying a mystery cult.

We do not proselythize or care for the masses. If the dregs wish to worship the Machine God, that is well and good, but if they do not we care little as long as they work.

Those who truly want to be proper seekers of the Machine Gods mysteries and hidden knowledge must prove themselves intellectually intelligent and worthy of unlocking his secrets. Even our Skitarii are not conscripts, they are faithful individuals who have the skill and knowledge to be fit for augmentation, induction into the cult, a higher abilities than the average Imperial Army man or even the Solar Auxilia

>>5352745
*I should say "care for the masses to become cult members". We care for them a great deal as a vital resource given unto us by the Machine God to be managed efficiently. But their beliefs, so long as they are not heretical or contrary to respecting the machine spirit, aren't of too great value to us. We encourage it perhaps, but we do not demand it, and we especially don't castigate them for not being believers. Unlike the Imperial Cult and Lorgar.

>>5352745
>>5352748
I stull think having some sort of low church/lay rituals to make sure the masses under us know the absolute bare basics to keep the machine spirits happy could be useful.
No need to proselyze, force conversiom or share secrets, just making sure that the menials don't botch the rituals. Doing things out of pure fear, tradition or supervision can only go so far.
And no matter how many servitors and techprieat you end up replacing things with, there is always going to need normal humans somewhere.

>>5352237
>>5352211
>supporting this
i feel that especially these two legions would gain from such an exchange

>>5352756
Isn't this already happening since Factory Serfs need to be trained to operate/build machines?

>>5352756
While true, I can't imagine that's not already what happens to some extent. Most Imperials when they have basic machine problems usually go to their local enginseer and say "what's made the machine spirit uncooperative?" and they explain "you have irritated the Machine Spirit by not changing the oil". or that most lay mechanics don't have some ideation on machine spirits. Still if we can improve upon it is definitely a worthy idea, I remember in the Pariah Nexus book one of the menials trying to repair a broken sentry by soldering some wires together did his best to mimic the chantings he had heard the techpriests doing and it worked adequately enoguh.

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>>5352729
>>5352722
>>5352731
>>5352735
Relevant once more

>>5352764
>>5352767
Yeah, I was thinking of just expanding it more. Like instead of the vast majority knowing jack shit and bothering the local engiseer everytime, people have a group of approved lay rites that are taught, so they would only need to be trained on the more specifics parts or ask for help for actual problems. Maybe with a few talented people that don't really make the cut learning a bit more.
It's not for the good of the unenlighted masses, the priest's works and the well being machine spirits. I know engiseers and acolytes kind of fill that niche, but having to depend on an influx of new blood or keep them from progressive feels like a weak link, like breeding internal resentment and the like.

>>5352777
Missed a "but for the" after masses.

Leave some men here
>>5352233
>>5352291
>>5352376
>>5352677

Auxilia - Sharing
>>5352237
>>5352763
>>5352494
>>5352595

Auxilia - Not
>>5352336
>>5352369

Alright, Auxilia with sharing wins.

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Vadar glanced at his fellow for a moment as he took in what he had learned, “My Father will not let you leave without repaying you. In our brothership you had helped merge with our new kin, you became a linchpin in his Reconquest.”

“And his reward shall be?”

“Men and materials, just as you gave us. I am sure my Father wished he could give you a present as well but without a Primarch it might ring empty or damage his relationship with a future brother.”

“We will be in a continued cycle of debt.” Pointed out the Imperial Fist as he took in a wise realization.

“Then it would be best that you keep assisting us.” declared the Astartes as he gave a bow, “Even if it is only a company of brothers or something as great as a Chapter, it would result in equilibrium at some point in either of our lifetimes.”

To those words the Imperial Fist finally shined to his cousin a smile, “That is an acceptable arrangement. We shall present it to your Father.”

“If he does not already know it happened.” Declared Vadar as he looked at a Tech Priest who was glancing in their direction.

The two of them began to move with swiftness as soldiers. Orderly in their movement that it almost rivaled that of machines. The two had placed their helmets on, so that they did not need to bother carrying it upon their belts. It also gave the added luxury of being able to talk to one another without having to break step when marching forward.

They had been like this quite a few times. Both of them had the desire to get right to the job when the chance came to them. It was a waste of everyone’s time after all if you did not come straight up to them to inform the person.

They had marched like this multiple times. First was the Emperor of Mankind when they were first assigned their positions as Legion Masters, followed by the first time they had to report to Horus Lupercal. Then there was the brief time they intercepted with the Wolf King, but that moment was so early in the Crusade and right before the Wolfen Vernika threw themselves into the stars.

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However, in moments where they did not waste any other’s time, they would spend each other's time.

“Your father carries with him something that I do not believe any of the three other Primarch have.” Declared Legion Master Matthias as they traveled through the halls, “The men of the Mechanicum follow him not for his presence but respect.”

“In what meaning do you say those words?” Asked Vadar as they kept moving at the same rate as before.

“You have felt it too. There is a presence that his brothers and father place upon us. We are lesser than them.” Matthias said outright as he spoke his true thoughts.

“As expected of men who were built by the Emperor.”

“As is expected.” Confirmed the Imperial Fist as he continued a moment’s thought, “Your father however has never used his own presence. And without it he had become integral to the humans to whom both serve and are served by him.”

“Should we compare this to Astarte?”

“Possibly. She was a fool who did not see the greater picture and did not believe in her own work. The Priests of Mars, do.” The Imperial Fist gave an analysis from years before even the Great Crusade.

“Each and every one of the Priests to some extent knows what is happening.” Admitted Vadar as he remembered his times of serving with his father, “He lends an ear to each and every one of them making them understand they are part of the Reconquista. He even lended an ear to you, an outsider.”

“More than what Horus had.” Declared the Imperial Fist from his first few moments being with the Emperor’s First Son.

And for that moment the two of them shared a thought of annoyance. Memories of a past event the two shared. It was enough to keep them silent as they both experienced a moment of humiliation at the hands of his attack dogs.

Space Marines had long memories.

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“I do wonder what the Father of the Imperial Fists shall be like.” Admitted the Legion Master as they closed ever closer to the bridge.

“He shall be strong and robust.” Declared Vadar with a certainty that was unshakable, “I cannot see him denying you for what you are. Your love for masonry surely came from his genes.”

“That is a hard thought to take Vadar.” Admitted the Legion Master as he took in the words of his fellow Legion master, “All change with their Father, even yourselves.”

“Fear that you will change to a person you cannot be proud of, or the ultimate trial of your work?” Question the Legion Master as he took a hint to a moment he had so long ago.

The Legion Master of the Imperial Fists fell silent as he thought about the question. With the hush falling between the two Vadar heard both their footsteps as well as many others. He glanced from one side to the other to take in the massive halls that they now walked.

It would be ten minutes now before they arrived at the bridge of the Blackstone Fortress.

“That is the truth.” Admitted Matthias as he finished heasuring his words, “Am I doing what my Father wants of the Legion?”

There was a moment of silence the two shared as they continued their way through the halls. It was an obvious one that bled subtle hints within its emptiness. It was also a request of assurance from one who wondered himself.

Vadar finally spoke “It is hard to even know yourself. There are obvious things that he shall change but those are things that you cannot know in advance of meeting him. If you had told me the tenth who belonged to my Father I would have believed you. But… he only asked us to confirm our allegiances and has instead forged themselves to fit us.”

“Then do you think your Father approves of the direction you have taken the Second Legion?” Questioned Matthias as he stopped in his tracks to look straight at Vadar.

>He does, for some reason.
>We need to grow with him.
>Massive changes will be needed.

>>5353113
>We need to grow with him.
I like this one because it implies both TalOS and the legion are on a road to improve themselves.

>>5353113
>We need to grow with him.

“If he does not already know it happened.” Declared Vadar as he looked at a Tech Priest who was glancing in their direction.

Lol, as if Talos would only limit his vision, or the reach of his Djinn, to the mortal auxilia alone.

"He lends an ear to each and every one of them"
I like that, it really reflects on Talos character. He understands he may be a very shiny gear, but he is still at the end of the day, only one cog in the greater machine. All must be oiled and tended to.

“More than what Horus had.”
In all fairness, its hard to lend ears when you only have two, or maybe what your suit provides. Sure there's Alpharius, but with him as your ears you're never quite sure if what you heard was the truth.

Talos has ten thousand upon ten thousand ears, each wirelessly transmitting to him. Implanted cogitators, extra slave minds and nearby priests to delegate information processing helps with multitasking too!

>>5353158
Well, they are legion masters, Horus would have to listen to only twenty of them. So if he ignored their inputs, it probably wasn't because he physically couldn't.

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>>5353113
>We need to grow with him.
>"Our Father was pleased with what he found, but he isn't even satisfied with his own. He wishes for more, for all of us to grow, as is his nature. He is open about his feelings"
My two bits:
#1 Talos is quite pleased with what the 2nd's space marines had been when we found them:
-Born with inherent rage, yet so disciplined that they controlled it without data-vaults
-Aggressive warriors. We need that.
-Incendiary gas weapons
-Even some vestiges of Technobarbarianism
-Most of all they willingly bent the knee and are learning to embrace the Cult Mechanicus, and they are working with the Acillians
#2 Talos readily gives Q/A with his sons, constructive feedback, and always the saying "if you have a problem bring it to me, please don't hide it". If we're displeased with our sons they would know, if we are happy with our sons, they would know.

With the tools they were given prior to our arrival, they have performed as well as they could, and we do not shy away from commending them for it.

But Talos can be summarized by this simple phrase: "I have a gigantic to-do list, and only so much time" There is boundless opportunity for growth on all fronts, reorganization, development, improvement. Such are the ways of technology and the machine, to continually advance and improve.

We embrace Vadaar as a son regained, who had done his duty well. Now we welcome him into the great race into the glorious future that will be the Mechanicum at its full glory.

>>5353113
>>We need to grow with him.

>>5353165
Maybe. But I also believe that there is only so much poor Horus can keep track of. That's why he went mad as Warmaster, 19 other brothers all clamoring for his ear. I bet even Guilliman would have been driven to insanity (just look how much work he has to do in Indomitus)

Horus is also not indoctrinated to the cult, so he lacks some tools that can help mitigate the stresses. If he is angry, or sad, or irritated he cannot shove some of those emotions into a vault for later processing. He cannot access slave minds or data-jinn assistance or powerful machine spirits to aid his thinking, as well as justify all his decisions thorugh not only logical arguments but also actual hard data and numbers "the algorithm predicts this plan has a 87% degree of success, more than any other option"

Still, true enough. Of all the Primarchs, Talos is probably the one who respects "lesser" men the most. Because they aren't actually lesser men, he's lived his life with some of the smartest beings amongst the stars, ancient techpriests of such knowledge and skill they dwarf even space marines and rivaled himself as a youth. They are living proof that even though the Emperor designed the astartes and primarchs to be superior, intelligence and intellect are still possible outside the scope of his geneforging.

He'd be the most open to the idea of shifting power from the space marines to the humans because. . .that's already what the Mechanicus is! I don't see any Acillians becoming Fabricator Generals anytime soon. He works with mortals and immortals alike.

>>5353113
>We need to grow with him

Like a tree cutting. Or a clone arm.

>>5353172
>Support
Ya there's not really anything TalOS can complain about them. They did what they could and do it well. Their emotion discipline is praiseworthy. But dudes got a vision and he's gonna need everyone's help to realize it.
>>5353189
Being under the shadow of an Imperator Titan also puts things into perspective. TalOS didn't skip his serving of humble corpstarch pie, but isn't also poisoned into being a slave like Lorgar was.

It probably helps that he also had as close to a normal upbringing by good parents as it gets. Only Roboute had something like that. If he did something good, C4R would say "attaboy" and if he did something bad, C4R would say why he's disappointed and how he should improve. And E11IE was there as the motherly figure.
>>5353113
>We need to grow with him.
>Vadar did a good job with what was available to him

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Actually, how could I forget. The reason Talos is not full of his own shit like some of his other brothers?

He's got the one thing that not even Guilliman has:

A wife!

>>5353248
Don't forget an actual set of parents, although I'm partial to the idea that he knows what it's like to be an (admittedly extremely powerful) mortal and an invincible War-God and knows how he needs to act in both circumstances
Also, I love the idea of The Tenth being the perfect picture of WW1 era combined arms doctrine (and/or the occasional Blitzkrieg)

>>5353113
>He approved what he saw. He told us.
>We need to grow with him.
To "forge ourselves to fit around them", that's what a father who loves their son does. As C4R did to us, we welcomed theim, accepted them, now we want to see them improve at our side. Just as our example, we changed our entire body and still have plans to do more. They'll appreciate it when they see the welcome Perturabo gives to his sons...

>>5353165
Just to spike the conversation, you are correct that he could listen to them. Horus simply choose not to and used the mournival against the Legion Masters.

>>5353658
Well, that explains the grudge.
Ignoring because it's too many suggestions or they are contradictory, because of a belief they are his lessers, or to prefer to listen to his own trusted and chosen advisors is understandable.
But to activally oppose them? That's how you get a schism.

>>5353697
if he was smart, he would have invited them to eat and make some form of amends after.
Still not a good idea, but does smooth over those edges.
So far i just assume he wanted to keep his own council, since he expected them to go their own ways anyway.

>>5353701
Horus is a top down style of leader. This is one of the reasons the Emperor wanted him as warmaster to herd the Primarchs, but also became a stressful point for him when the Emperor simultaneously wanted him to concede some powers to and involve the human council. Whom the Emperor probably ignored as he pleased when he was in command of the crusade anyway. Ever the wise Emperor eh

>>5353113
>We need to grow with him.

>>5353113
>>He does, for some reason.
Of course Talos accepts the WAR that brews within each of the 2nd legion's chest

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>>5353605
>They'll appreciate it when they see the welcome Perturabo gives to his sons...

>>5353113
>We need to grow with him.
As is the Mechanicums way.

We continue to Grow
>>5353150
>>5353156
>>5353172
>>5353176
>>5353196
>>5353236
>>5353861
>>5353937

He approves
>>5353605
>>5353899

I hope the "We continue to grow" option doesn't discredit the general sentiment that Vadar did well with what he had right? He should know we aren't disappointed in him, we are proud of him. But unless he was already a mechanicum kitted warrior loaded with all kinds of gear and upgrades it was unlikely he'd match our intended visions of the future. And that's not his fault because how would they have earned the great degree of Mechanicum's favor without us?

>>5354107
"Don't rest on ones laurels" as the ancients said. And you know the ancients had good advice. The road to improvement has no end.

>>5354107
Even if he was, he still wouldn't be perfect, because the quest for Knowledge hasn't ended yet. Chances are one day there would be even more tech to upgrade the kit.

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>>5354127
Hell for me the "End Goal" of our closest Steel Wardens are small squad of contemptors equipped with a modified multi-use Incaendius jetpack and a plethora of STC Dark Age arms.
We ourselves being based more on the Telemon or Arlatax. Flying and shooting like a riptide while punching like a proper dreadnought.

And even then, give Talos enough centuries, he'll start to ponder if there's not still more to add on.

Anyway, at least with Jetpacks, if we ever try Vulkan's teleportation trick we aren't going to burn up in the atmosphere.

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Vadar had to think to himself as he heard those words. He went through almost every situation that was given to him by the Primarch and those that were set up by his more immediate sons. In the end the Legion Master answered, “He supports what I have done, but wishes for growth and evolution above all others now.”

The Imperial Fist looked hard upon his brother as he analyzed the Legion Master’s helmet. The man obviously tried to decode those words for all that they were worth. He seemed to satisfy himself as he spoke, “That is really all that we can ask for.”

“Indeed, we cannot divine from the universe what it is our Fathers would want of us. Their will is so many leagues away and hidden from our sight. I would be troubled by those who are certain in their fate.”

“The Third.”

Vadar gave a grievous nod, “What they have given to the Emperor himself is something that no other Legion could. Even as fortunes obviously turned around them they still kept their heads high and the Aquila bored upon their chests.”

“It will be a freight whichever way their Primarch chooses to take them. Whether he chooses to take them down a notch or join them in their pride.”

The two of them turned through the last hallway as a memory came upon the mind of Vadar, “I cannot imagine their experience with Mortals is as fine a take as ours.”

“Your Father has made us Cogs in his Machine of War.” Admitted the Legion Master of the Imperial Fists as they finally approached the final doors, “Only a great Master of War could realize the full potential of all their forces.You are correct in that they will not be any better than they have been before.”

“Then there is nothing that can be done except move forward.” Admitted the Legion master of the Second Legion as he pushed open the doors. As he made his way the Legion Master of the 7th followed his way into the bridge.

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The Bridge of the Blackstone Fortress was a place where one could reasonably expect an entire war to have been waged from. All about the floor and several levels about the place where the Lords of the Mechaincum all worked upon the computer screens.

It was a wondrous place where the Mechanicum worked to operate and plan out their future. Not even the Emperor, blessed by his magnificent vessel, carried nearly as much manpower and intelligence within a single room.

Within the room was a modest table and throne at the center. The table was one that the Legion Masters knew was a recent addition to the floor in addition to the numerous thrones that were about it. Of the thrones, two of them were occupied with people.

The first one was a rust colored throne upon which looked like a Tech Priest who might simply float away. The Legion Masters knew this person to be Prime Magos Dominus Pterraxi of Columnus. A brilliant naval strategist and the one who brought in the flying troops that were modestly successful on the warfront.

The one next to him was the reason the two Astartes gave their respective symbols.

The one who they paid respect towards was a massive mass of steel that underneath held the greatest of all minds. Any bits of flesh that would have shown underneath the thick cloth was covered in the darkened steel of the Star Forge. The man had four arms visible each either typing or jacked into an outlet.

Red eyes looked upon them as the helm turned to face them. The face was not that of a human, but of a Machine God.

“Legion Master Vadar, Legion Master Matthias.” He said with a voice both smooth but clearly synthesized, “I welcome you once more to my bridge. What is the matter that you wish to bring to my attention?”

Without missing a beat Matthias raised his head to address the Primarch directly, “The Imperial Fists, upon orders of the Emperor, are to transfer to the rim of Pacificus to begin the solidifying of our gains and conquer the inner segmentum.”


To those words the Primarch did not speak. Such an event was not rare for the Primarch as one who interacted with the Tech Priests knew for long enough. He was likely processing several pieces of information within his mind that none of the Astartes could fathom.

“It was an honor to have worked with you Matthias.” Was the ultimate declaration the Primarch could give.

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“I thank you Primarch TalOS.” Declared the Astartes as he took in such a comment. It was a quick reply, one that would have surely made few wonder if he did not carry any weight in the other’s words.

Vadar knew better though. Matthias would remember such a day.

The Legion Master of the Second soon stepped forward as he made his words known, “My Father, I know you would wish to reward the Seventh Legion for their service with us. They have been a valuable asset as their schemes have proven a perfect basis for our war. I wish to recommend a policy for that.”

“You have the permission to speak your mind my Son.” The Primarch said as his metal face somehow grew a phantom smile upon its form.

“I ask that for the Auxilia to begin with the Imperial Fists. That they are the first to receive my brothers, the Royal Knights of Dutonis, and the Legion of Titans. To make sure that neither side falls into debt with the other, the Imperial Fists have agreed to leave a cohort with us to advise and assist.”

For another long pause the Primarch thought to himself again. Though Vadar knew that there was a tinge of approval already within the heart of the Primarch as he heard those very words.

“I shall both give and accept said assistance. As you will be departing within the week, Legion Master Matthias, I shall grant you the first of our Auxilia.” TalOS declared as he waved a new hand produced from underneath his robes.

“I thank you Primarch TalOS. You have surely realized all that you have given to the Imperial Fists. It is painful that I must ask for more of you.” Legion Master Matthias placed an immense amount of weight within his words as he pressed forward, “May I ask one question for you to answer?”

“A question that has been weighing on your mind?” Asserted the Primarch as he leaned in with a moment’s interest, “What is it you desire?”

“What shall be the fate of Legion Master Vadar?”

For a moment Vadar looked upon his cousin with a moment’s horror, but he then realized this was the only moment for him to ask. Vadar could not know how much weight was placed upon his friend’s shoulders in the thoughts of what might happen.

>He shall remain Legion Master, for while the Astartes might be modified the Emperor’s vision was well founded. While I am their Father, I cannot be their direct leader due to obligation.
>We will see as I plan to integrate the Astartes and Acillian into a cohesive whole.
>He shall lead my combined Transhuman Legion. AL4N shall be his second in command.

>>5354214
Took me like, an hour to realize what to write. But then I remembered that Imperial Fists would ask whatever was on their mind.

>>5354214
>We will see as I plan to integrate the Astartes and Acillian into a cohesive whole.

>>5354214
>We will see as I plan to integrate the Astartes and Acillian into a cohesive whole.

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>>5354214
>Write-In: Unique will be the 2nd Legion. "Two" is its number, and so not one but two will be its Legion Praetors. AL4N of the Acillians, VADAR of the Astartes.
>We will retain both Acillians and Astartes, Brothers among Brothers. I have twins, a son and a daughter. I have a binary partner who I hold as my equal. The holy language of the Machine God is binharic itself.
>Two means of creating super soldiers will ensure our greatness in number and ability uniquely among the 20 Legions

We should honestly keep the Astartes and the Acillians production lines. The ability to supplement with two methods of creation really is something no one else can match, even if we upgrade both. The Astartes can have the more war minded of our sons, the Acillians can have the scientists and engineers. We will upgrade both of them greatly, and encourage unison among them.

Each working towards their strengths, and covering each others weakness. Astartes to assault squads, Acillians to support squads, and so on.

Let's say we were inspired by Alpharius and Omegon who basically did the same thing by making two separate halves of the Alpha Legion compete with each other. The dude even got two glorianas.

>>5354222
Well, we haven't met Omegon yet, but there is lore precedence for it anyway. Those guys had two of everything. Why can't we have two of everything?

>>5354215
And 2nd Legion would say whatever is on theirs. There is no mistaking meaning when talking in techna lingua.

>>5354214
>We will see as I plan to integrate the Astartes and Acillian into a cohesive whole.
>It depends on how compatible the astartes geneseed and the acillia modifications might interact. There are simply too many variables, from remaining as they are while a new mixed breed of mixed acillian and astartes becomes the new standard pattern, a new office above mitarii equivalent to legion master where his experience leading such large forces would be valuable, a dual leadership between him and ALAN with their different talents covering any shortcomings or even some fusion of these previous options.
>What is certain is that under no circunstances a son of mine will be throw at the wayside and marked as obsolete. That I will personally ensure.

>>5354214
>Supporting dual leadership
Two is indeed better than one. And more is better than less.

>>5354232
>Support

>>5354209
>“The Third.”
THIS SILENCE OFFE- Ah, a couple centuries too early, nevermind.
>Children of the Emperor! Death to His foes!

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>>5354214
>>He shall lead my combined Transhuman Legion. AL4N shall be his second in command.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA robboooots

>>5354222
>support

I see that we are going to do this the roman way, a commander on the field and a commander in the war room, each holding equal power and serving the greater good of their nation.

>>5354308
That sounds very based, and with the noosphere even more effective as they can update each other in real time with their own shared eyes.
>>5354222
>>support

>>5354214
>>5354222
>supporting the Roman way

>>5354214
He has already demonstrated that he is competent in leading these vast numbers and has experience in large conflicts to draw on. But he is lacking experience with the ascillians creation and process, so I hope that my two sons will actively learn from each and support each other to make a stronger legion.

>>5354214
>>He shall lead my combined Transhuman Legion. AL4N shall be his second in command.

Fuck me, i made small speech >>5354470, but forgot the actual vote

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I'm not so sure Vadar's lacking in experience with the acillians in creation or abilties, the whole purpose of this ork war was to teach our brothers cohesion. but if that were the case you make a good point.

Rather than Vadar being soley the caretaker of Astartes and Al4N that of acillians, they should both lead at least some degree of mixed units and learn the methods of creating both. There will be times, in fact we should encourage, the leadership of mixed units.

The reason I'm in favor of also promoting AL4N to the status of Co-Praetor rather than 2nd in command is simple: anticipation of exponential growth. We could get so large as to reasonably sustain two fronts, or at least become the great Juggernaut Ferrocreteroller we are destined to be.

"We who are the largest Legion, who include both Astarte's, men, and all that is between, supported by our machines and vast auxilia, cannot afford to waste even a single abled body or mind."

Our twin methods of creation, astartes and acillians, in addition to our lack of disdain for failed aspirants but use of them, will reward us well. Astartes are likely the hardest trial to overcome, they have more geneseeds, their duty and sole purpose is war. Acillians have a relatively greater chance of success perhaps, being mostly machine which our Forgeworlders are used to. And of course, both will have failed aspirants. But rathe than giving them the "Machine God's peace", they have so many options. Return home as heroes and sire more generations? Join the Skitarii as marshals and elites? Stay with us as armed chapter serfs.

To be an aspirant in the first place puts you a cut above the rest, even skitarii or armymen. To have even partial geneseeds or augments will make them into ideal special forces. Euthanising them is a waste. Even if their bodies become mangled, we can spare the brains, make them into techpriests or Ruststalkers.

>>5354549
If we want to stay the largest of legions, after taking Lucius sector we must direct our attentions west prior to the Rangdan invasion. It might look like we're the perfect legion to throw into the meat grinder, but we could market ourselves more as the best garrison forces to hold the western Galaxy alongside Horus and Roboute while Lion and Russ deal with the Rangdan. If we avoid the war, we'll profit in the same way Luna Wolves and Ultramarines did.

>>5354564
>not wanting to partake in the greatest, most challenging front of the Great Crusade and meet our god.
By the Void Dragon, the Rangdan will be our Cannae and like the romans we will rise from it stronger than ever! With the Mechanicus and a whole sector worth of resources our legion and auxilia will regain their strenght in no time, and just imagine the WMDs that we will develope during the conflict.
We better make backups of our memory once Emps uses the Void Dragon so that even if he erases that memory from us we can load it up again.

>>5354222
I dont want them to be separate orders, but duel leadership in the roman style could be cool

>>5354592
Agreed.
>>5354222
>>ADDENDUM:
>It isn't that we will strictly limit one to leadership of a particular group, we will encourage mixed/combined arms groups. However, there being an Acillian Praetor and an Astartes Praetor will ensure we have two leaders at both times with familiarity from both groups we will be producing.

>>5354621
>>support addendum

>>5354621
>supporting this addendum to the original support

By the way what's your guys opinions about other forge worlds having their own Acillians. Would you want them to have free reign to do what they want. Or would you guys only give them the secrets to make them with stipulations. Like a max number a forge world can have at a time (maybe 1000) or a deal where they have to give us 1 in 10 aspirants.

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>>5354692
I've been thinking about this. For me its likely the difference between having all the Acillians/Astartes of the 2nd legion be (mostly) made in Lucius ala the Ultramarine style where most of them are made in Ultramar, vs being spread out.

My theory is that the in game practical effect will be whether or not the 2nd Legion will benefit from different Forge World Dogmas or just purely be benefitting from Lucian dogma, vs having everything in the Lucian realm and more centralized could reap benefits when we try to make our home more defended and more organized, so that its very well capable of defending itself, much like Ultramar.

>>5354692
Well, in my opinion we shouldn’t give away the secrets for how to make ancillians, rather we should give the Forge worlds the ability to scan their own population for viable civilians who are willing and able to become ancillians and then give them a choice. Send us these people and we will turn them into the finest ancillians we can make, train them in all the arts we have and then send them back to you, but first, some conditions.

After their creation and training, they will serve the legion for a minimum of 20 years, where after they can choose to be given transport back to their original Forge world or to continue serving as a part of the legion.
All ancillians are to be prepared to be drafted if the situation requires it, this covers, but is not limited to: Massive ork WAAAGH’s, Xenos invasions, Massive civil war threatening the cohesion of allied/owned systems and other devastating scenarios.

As a bonus to the Forge worlds that sends recruits to us, we will allow the ancillians to bring back their knowledge and gear and give them the right to use/spread it as they please. Furthermore, Ancillians who have shown great prowess and have done great deeds are given certain rights with the legion, such as the ability to call for help unrelated to the legions own aims (ie. you could call for 10 ancillians if you needed help teaching some heretics not to fuck with the machine spirits or something of the like) and also the right to buy and trade information/STC’s/knowledge/other with the legion’s.


Does this sound reasonable?

>>5354723
I can definitely get behind this, we might even consider expanding the program to other Legions as a way of increasing our own recruiting pool and spreading the Techmarine meme. Eventually they'll become dependent on these guys for tech support and that's when we can start calling in some real favors.

>>5354723
A more streamlined solution could be to just have the different various Taghmata realms offer up worlds as recruitment planets. Then we offer them chapters or even companies on hire, developing a relationship where bodies are sent our way in exchange for troops and services. This also has the added effect of ensuring that those forge worlds will have a vested interest in sending us as many resources as possible for continued and ever increasing support. While there, the 2nd Legion can either be Acillians and thus provide research and engineering expertise, or Astartes and do pure military exercises or both.

In time we will have dedicated Chapters with specialized experience operating in different sectors, and against different threats, as well as the ability to rotate them as necessary where as keeping them locked to their forge world means they're stuck to said forge world.

>>5354741
Yes! Having this flexibility would mean that the structure of the Taghmata would be able to more easily respond to any threat that it has to handle with. Also, making our legion act more like a great academy of learning and training which offer a valuable service to the forge worlds, ensures that our legions(future chapters) will never be seen as a threat or enemy to the independence or hierarchy of the Mechanicum.

>>5354741
Excellent idea. Then those chapters or companies can benefit from the forge world dogma's of worlds they are mostly assigned to. Come the Heresy, it has the added bonus of hopefully delaying some forge worlds falling to Chaos by having loyalist presences. Just as long as we also have a large number of dedicated Legion troops too.

>>5354222
>>5354621
>Support

>>5354753
How about this, instead of just giving the Forge World the secrets there can just be a Cabal of Priests loyal to just the Legion for creation rituals. They are vetted and can even have loyalty forced upon them. This way it confirms TalOS still owns the Acillians/Astartes, but each Forge World can have the specialized form.

>>5354775
imo thats a good compromise, it also avoids any 'Lucius keeps knowledge and hoards power' complaints

>>5354775
For a canon example the Ordo Reductor, while having a reach across many Forge Worlds, is ultimately loyal to their order.

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>>5354775
I'd like that. Especially the enforced loyalty part for those gifted with knowledge of their creation.
One day, all tech priests will know, "The Eye of the Dragon is upon them."

Big Brother Talos watches and cares for all.

Hmm, perhaps one day when we need to ramp up security we might create the Lemegeton Clavicula Davis - "The Lesser Keys of Davis", 72 powerful Data-Djinn built under the shadow of slumbering dragon, raised to fight off the vile influence of warp infested scrap code and daemon viruses.

>>5354746
>>5354741
I have actually had a further idea of how we can ensure that our legion, when it splits up after the heresy (which it most likely will, unfortunately) will still be able to act like a legion should. We simply do as the roman successor state did and institute a theme system that they used (and which the tahgmata takes some inspiration from) by having institutionalised our legion into area defined companies/chapters, while still following the orders of the main legion (the 2 praetors).

Ensuring that this theme system becomes a reality would then make us able to split our legion relatively safely after the heresy, while ensuring that everyone has a safe base of operation and that the legion is still (by technicality), disbanded. Also, if we cross our fingers and hope to the Machine God, the successor chapters of our legion might still be willing to follow our system of following the 2 elected/appointed preators, making us able to sidestep the legal issue of legions in a similar manner as the Black Templars did (“No sir, we aren’t a legion, we are just a gathering of chapters that have chosen to follow the commands of a fellow astartes on our crusade/campaign to fulfill our mission/purge. Nope, no legion here! Only several, near identical, chapters!”).

What do you guys think?

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>>5354775
>>5354779
Agreed. This is the way to do it.
>>5354782
>One day mothers will tell their children on All Machine Souls eve: "He sees you when you sleep, he knows when you wake. Be faithful, and he will bring presents. If you're wicked, he'll turn you into a lump of smoldering coal with his Volkite!"

>>5354785
we could institute a council of chapter masters, that votes in the praetors and also has the right to take the position from them.
Also, as long as there is no crisis the Praetors are symbolic positions with the right to call together the legion again, if unnecessary the chapter masters can combined veto and remove them, not fool proof, but balanced.

>>5354791
That is a sound idea and i fully support that

>>5354791
I'd be somewhat weary of this. Is it necessary? Are there any precedence for this in another legion/chapter in 40k? It seems a bit too ripe for shenanigans.

Besides we picked the Praetors, their position is tantamount to us vetting them. To call them unfit is to say our decision making is unfit or that we were mistaken.

>>5354798
That is mainly for after we fuck off to whereever, to give the chapters a working structure without completely disbanding the legion.

>>5354798
Space Wolves.

>>5354798
Hmmm, maybe instead of only having a council of chapter masters voting for the praetor, what if we instead reserve that as the option for if the preator is unable to choose a successor (ie. they are dead, MIA or something else) and the primarch (ie, us/TalOS) is unreachable (again, either dead, MIA or something worse)?

That way we have a backup for if it is not possible for a preator to choose and train their own successor or that their primarch is not available. This would ensure the future chapters to come have atleast some way of showing that they have a united heritage/goal, even if they are in different chapters, while also limiting any chance for political/deamonic/other type of shenanigans?

Sound like a good compromise?

>>5354808
That implies we're ever going to fuck off, given how much effort we put on staying alive and how the work of the Mechanicum never ends. Unlike even Vulkan, we'll have things to do long after the Horus Heresy.

>>5354813
That could work.

Alternatively, we host a meeting of the entire legion via Noosphere Senate meeting of the chapter/company masters and we personally nominate Vadar and AL4N as Co-Praetors (it's a pity that Consul is ranked below Praetor otherwise that would be perfect). Then we can say they were voted in at behest of their brothers. Then those Praetors can nominate successors in the event of their demise.

I just hope such a precedence doesn't get fucked with in the future by internal political schemes. Hopefully such a system will be smiled upon by Roboute. He's our sounding board for good political sense.

>>5354817
Hmmm, that could also work. If i might come with a crazy idea, why don't we let them (our legion) choose the voting process? ie. we ask them if they want the entire legion/chapters to vote for their praetors or if they want their chapter masters/30k-equivalent to represent them and vote in their stead. Could be fun to read our legions reaction to both being able to choose their leaders (after our appointees die) AND having to choose the way that they will vote for new preators.

>>5354817
I mean, TalOS being the paranoid sort would probably be ok just writing his will early just in case. Just have it known that if he dies, the twin consols who are the Legion Masters/Praetorians are to be elected.

>>5354820
His will better include a: "I am totally developing like 12 different ways to preserve my consciousness GET OUT THERE AND HELP ME PUT MYSELF BACK TOGETHER" clause.

Like the Artefacts of Vulkan, only instead of weapons its the different means Talos has attempted to cheat death. If it ever comes to that. Which I hope it doesn't.

>>5354820
TalOS, writing his will

TalOS: "Hmmm, i believe it would be prudent to make sure succession after i die go smoothly, so.."

*writes down his favourite candidates*

TalOS: "now then, unto the most important matter... who will raise the children? maybe..."

*Thinks about Perturabo/Dorn*

TalOS: "no, better not... maybe Malcador?... no, not faithful enough and a psyker... but he is my uncle, Hahhh, so many options..."

>>5354775
I like the sound of that.
Now they just need a funny acronym.

>>5354836
Let us call them Priestly Order of the Omnissiah's Protectors; P.O.O.P

>>5354836
Judges of Innitate Selection
JIS

>>5354840
>>5354839

What about we combine both of these options and have them be called:

POOP&JIS

>>5354842
This could be their code/name among the mechanicus:

121/120/120/121/-101/100/201/

this is trinary code, which spells our poop-jis

>>5354846
sorry, ternary code, not trinary

>>5354785
Guilliman can fuck off with his space book, he has no authority over the legion that the Emperor gave to the Mechanicum. So we have no need to give excuses like the Black Templars or lie like the Dark Angels.
So if we split into the council with votes for the Praetors, it's because we want to, not because he asked. We do it the way we want to, and he better be glad for it.
>>5354791
Sounds good for me. But having a council as well might be good. It would let each chapter become more specialized while still maintaining contact if (when) the Imperium becomes less connected.
>>5354817
Got to prepare for the worst. Someone that is paranoid like TalOS would definatly add a clause on how to organize the legion if he dies and the backups fails.

>>5354849
Guilliman's space book was written after post heresy depression anyway.
Pre-Heresy Guilliman is cool and all into the whole Legion thing.

>>5354849
A thought I had was to passively encourage the chapters to try new stuff so that others can adopt or discard according to the results.

>>5354214
Support>>5354222
>>5354791
I'd like to see blueberry boy try to force the second to shatter, especially when the mechanicus backs them

>>5354901
On the contrary, we'll gladly split up into chapters. Surely that's what we'll already have been doing by then.

But what Guilliman doesn't realize is, how effective is splitting up into chapters if all the chapter masters still maintain noospheric communique with the Praetors and Lucius Sector High Command?

Different name, Status Quo.

>>5354785
I don't think that our legion will splinter after the heresy after all the space marines fall under imperial jurisdiction while we fall and the 2nd under the mechanicus jurisdiction. unless the order come from the fabricator general (assuming were not it) the imperium can't do shit.

in short no ones is splitting up our legion without our say so (unless we get ganked in the heresy)

>>5354927
And Talos is going to do everything in his absolute damn power not to get ganked. or if he gets ganked, have an escape route for his brain. A body can be rebuilt.

>>5354779
Like the incubi from the drukhari

>>5354564
>Not wanting to wave out girthy mechadendrites against the Rangdan xenos and help our loyal brothers where we are needed the most
>Wanting to do what the smurfs did for the eastern frontnothing

Fuse them all together
>>5354219
>>5354221

Dual Leadership (With some mixing)
>>5354222
>>5354308
>>5354357
>>5354440
>>5354754
>>5354254
>>5354254
>>5354236

The other
>>5354269
>>5354523

I think this is it. most wanna do the dual mix (And likely the Chapter idea for each Forge World which honestly I was planning on for some time.)

>>5354981
Do we wanna keep the title as Legion Master or go for Praetor, or something else entirely. Personally I prefer Legion Master,

>>5355071
Praetor is the official rank
We can call it something more personal like the 20 legions had.
Something greco like the Acillians or something Jermanic. Or perhaps one for both?

Legion Master Acillian = Exarch
Legion Master Astartes = Legionsmeister

>>5355076
Acillians and Astartes will be mixed by the vote. They will at least share the same title.

>>5355081
Heh, we could go with Legio Dominus.

>>5355076
Strategos is always an option aswell.

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Unlike the silence that was held before, when the Primarch was thinking of how to weigh a more simple matter, now the two were held in the grip of the man. You would think that asking how one diverts their resources would have been more of an issue, but that is where one is the most wrong when it comes to military matters.

It is the structure that matters the most. A realm can have the greatest amount of resources available but if it failed to innovate in the realm of delegation it would fail. While it might not be thought to be innovation, the scheme of authority that a military had was indeed one. That your scheme of military matters must follow the needs of the society they are to serve.

A more centralized military would mean a united and strong force. One that if tactics, resources, and aptitude were on par would destroy a decentralized foe. The other way around, a decentralized structure might not be as strong as the united it makes up for that in reactiveness.

That is to ignore the idea of corruption with this organizational structure.

As such the weight of the decision was something that could not be asked for quickly and without extreme thought. This thought was something that would require an entire room of barons and kings along with the centuries of already established practices to really realize the endevor.

Such things were now within the mind of a single man. Primarch he may be, even his own kin equal to him will shatter under such immense weight.

Thus the two watched the Primarch, his hands no longer moving as if all inputs were removed from them. Any beeps or sounds of Machine Spirits silent as he removed himself from their workings.

To the Astartes, the only things they could hear from the Primarch was the ever clicking sound of cogitators writing numerous lines of code. All in an endeavor to assist their master in this moment of thought.

And somehow, within this Fortress that forever placed pressure upon the souls who dared enter it, the Astartes felt the pressure of thought. Not one of presence, of an immense charisma that beings like Horus and Leman had in their stark times of working with the respective warlords. No, this was the pressure that came not from the outside but from the inside.

Their minds, which should have been robbed of a Primarch’s presence, organically created it through the rationalization of human thought. Rationalized fear and awe.

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For what must have been an agonizing moment of silence to which even the Tech Priests around him fell silent, the head of the Primarch turned towards his fellow throne bearer. In an instant communication was held between the two that could not be heard by everyone. Vadar realized that it was the Noosphere that granted them such perfect privacy.

As if confirming what he had decided the arms of the Primarch retracted and he spoke, “I have been wondering about such a thing for a long time now. I had wondered when I should make such a declaration. You have given onto me a great demand that I can only see myself obligated to fulfill. Not even my brothers, blessed may they be, cannot carry such good will as you do today.”

Vadar could hear the skipping of Matthias’s heart. For a Legion Master to be so easily compared to a Primarch was something they could rarely ever expect. While they still wished to be respected they are still lesser than their Father’s kin ultimately.

“What you call me, Primarch, is in reference to being the leader of just a Legion. From the reports I have seen there are indeed numerous auxilia of humans that they might host, largely they are a host of Astartes.” The Primarch laid out as they looked at what could easily be mistaken as a giant human who wore the most perfect armor.

The Primarch made a wave of his hand as he took over the display and showed a series of soldiers with Horus Lupercal at the front of them all, “That is the definition of a Primarch ultimately, a Demi-God who was crafted through the wisdom of my creature to lead his Astartes armies. But as you have learned I do not fulfill this definition, I am only a Primarch by title instead of action.”

That was a declaration was something none would expect a being of his caliber to make. It was paradoxical to the Astartes to register such words within their engineered minds.

A Primarch who was not a Primarch. That is like saying water isn’t water. It went against their reality.”

“I am Arch Dominus and Princep TalOS DAV1S of Lucius, or if referred to by brethren Sanctus Dominus. I am a general over men, not just Astartes.” He said before his eyes glazed upon Vadar, “As such, I need those who can step into the role of Primarch.”

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To those words the two Astartes were speechless. Not only did the Primarch reject his duties but he was giving it to another. The two of them have seen what happens to Legions, how the previous Legion Master is placed as First Company Captain that serves their father faithfully. That was an honor that all Legion Masters would wish to have.

But this was even greater than that.

“For the moment you shall continue to be Legion Master of the 2nd, but as we both know such a role might be too much for one soul to fill. Especially when it was meant for a being superhuman like myself and the Legion will grow ten fold.”

“O-Of course Father!” Vadar said gladly as he bowed his head, “Who shall become my brother in arms.”

“Mitarii AL4N. He is one of the first Acillians I have created and served me faithfully for all these years. The two of you will serve dual posts, under which will be both Acillian and Astartes in equal measure.” Declared TalOS as he looked upon his son, “AL4N has immense talent and knowledge of his brothers, while you have the experience of a dozen campaigns already. Rely upon one another and grow together.”

“Of course father!” Declared the Legion Master of the 2nd as he bowed his head.

The eyes TalOS looked upon his son were favorable ones, even if they could not be seen. They had easily searched the soul of the man before him, and did not find him wanting.

“Does that answer your question, Matthias?” TalOS asked as he turned back towards the Imperial Fist.

“It does, Arch Dominus TalOS.” The Imperial Fist called out as he gave a courteous bow, “I shall make sure all of the Imperial Fists and Imperium know of your true title.”

“Do not worry yourself with the rest of the Imperium, they will learn in time.” TalOS placated as he waved his hand, “For now, make my brother proud.”

“I shall.” Legion Master Matthias said as he turned around and left the Bridge.

>The War Council
>Examining the one who killed the Overlord
>Check on the interspace communication and what others have been up to.

>>5355117
>Examining the one who killed the Overlord
Alexander deserves an upgrade after that last stunt no?

>>5355117
>Check on the interspace communication and what others have been up to.

>>5355117
>Examining the one who killed the Overlord

>>5355117
>Examine the ork killer

>>5355117
>Examining the one who killed the Overlord
Seraph time.

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I'm unsure if its common for legions to have more than one Praetor, or if there were just a lot of deaths among some of the other legion Praetors, but like jeeze the EC had a whole bunch of different praetors.
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Praetor_(Space_Marine)

The correct terminology for the Legions true 2nd in command should be "Praetorate of the Ancients of the Legion" so perhaps the "Seniormost Praetor" or even a first among equals type deal.

Calling them Legionmaster is more succinct though. I like Legio Dominus cause its more Mechanicus oriented.

>>5355117
>Check on the interspace communication and what others have been up to.

"Legio" typically means in organization in warhammer. i.e. Legio Cybernetica or Legio Titanica. "Legatus Dominus" would be better.

>>5355117
>Examining the one who killed the Overlord

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Gotta say its nice that Talos is able to take something of an off hands approach to war, or rather, that he can rely upon an intelligent and generally competent team of mortals and astartes to achieve victory. Talos may not be the only Primarch who leads a host of mortals per say, Perturabo and Roboute both made regular use of mortal auxilia, but they were certainly hands on generals (especially Pert).

Talos will intervene where necessary. But unlike Perturabo whose focus was the efficiency of the troops and supplies he has, and Guilliman whose focus was the tactical efficiency and initiative of his soldiers, Talos values the the efficiency of the means of war and materiel production. What you have at the front is in direct relation to what you have being built in the rear. He'll provide the war machines, the technology, the troops, now use that to achieve victory.

And unlike the Imperial Army, it isn't just brilliant generals and commanders he forces can rely upon, but the wisdom of machine, algorithim, and the noosphere. For as brilliant as any Imperial Army General can be, as fast as his messengers and vox beads are, as old as his rejuvenates have let him live, how could they possibly compare to a brilliant Domini backed up by the collective knowledge of so many priests and blessed by assurance pf a strategy approved as the greatest possibility of success via calculation?

What we've lost in abandoning Primarch presence, we've gained through the respect and competence of a myriad of subordinates. In that regard, we might have achieved what Guililman was hoping to encourage among his own sons. The ability to analayze, adapt, and compute a solution to the problems of war.

>>5355117
>Examining the one who killed the Overlord

>>5355117
>The War Council
gather the boys (and UZI)

>>5355117
>>5355114
>>5355111
This update gave me chills
>>Examining the one who killed the Overlord.
>>5355127 No no, his name now is... ISKANDAR

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>>5355157
>mfw

I have already have ajob.
Good thing I have you two as stand ins. Congratulations on getting promoted!

>>5354828
>mfw there are three Tal0s cogitating around
>mfw they feel the need to destroy eachother because THEY are the real Tal0s

>>5355157
I support naming our Praetors "Legatus Dominus"

>>5355676
"I am the commander of this army. The Son of Lucius has granted me the title 'Dominus'. And the time to serve him has come once more."

>>5355686
>Not fusing to create Super TalOS

>>5355737
It's what TalOS would do. What Techpriest wouldn't have multiple slave minds?

Even the Necrons do this! Just look at Oltyx and his subordinate minds.

We should focus more on Genetor stuff, let's steal the title of Clone Lord from that cuck Fabius Bile.

>>5355780
Partially agree, I think genetor work is important but given the issues with clones and souls in the 40K verse that could lead us toward some bad shit down the road

>>5355775
But someone has to be the slave and someone has to be the master :^)

>>5355117
>>Examining the one who killed the Overlord

>>5355860
keep it in your pants anon

>>5355900
As in kill eachother until one remains you dummy, not BDSM. You are the one that needs their head and soul cleansed by the ordo

>>5355947
after that wink emoji, nah mate
also cringe

>>5355947
Gachimuchi is an art form of the ancients, it must be given the proper respects.

>>5355977
I think my meme post didn't got through.
It should appear now.

>>5355978
Yup, there it is.
Good ol 4chan sometimes not showing a post if another one is sent at the same time.

>>5355978
https://web.archive.org/web/20090327212637/http://ggymeta.wordpress.com/popular-gay-manga-posts/that-bara-article/
>gachigachi muchimuchi

>>5356026
I was talking about the memes editing songs with Aniki and Van Darkholme, but I guess that works too.

>>5356043
Actually, reading that article I don't think it's the same thing, that one seems to be sincere instead of high quality shitposting.

Question. We're so rich, would Talos likely do what the Dark Angels did and arm the entire 1st Company with Termie/Artificer armor and make it an elite company?

Feels like he would do that.

>>5356076
I thought he had already done that.

>>5356082
The Steel Wardens perhaps, but I treat the Steel Wardens as being more akin to the Inner Circle than Deathwing, unless it is an entire Company.

Which I can see him doing. Surely a man interested in his own safety would be so inspired by the Emperor's creation of an entire Lifesguard division that he would mimic it on his own.

>>5356094
Look, I don't see this as a bad idea, but wouldn't it be more productive to invest these resources in increasing the production of sibling lines?

Having the most numerous legion would be more productive in the future, to be honest I'm even putting together in my head a new systematic model to spread throughout the cult, focusing all forge worlds on producing as much material as possible, at any cost. With the aim of increasing the military strength of Mars on a par with the Empire.

A five-step program called:
>F.E.C.E.S.
But some of the details still need further refinement.

>>5356104
I see no reason why we cannot ramp up production to a massive scale such that we can afford your idea and giving our 1st Company "Dragonguards" the best gear we can possibly afford them.

Surely the Dark Angels don't have to be the only Legion that can afford being the biggest as well as having a whole company outfitted with Terminators.

>>5356106
Well I don't know how officially in lore they got so much material to flaunt like that. But if my plan is possible we will have Knight regiments to complement our forces, in this possible scenario a company of terminators would be purely to flex on the other legions.

>>5356113
>Well I don't know how officially in lore they got so much material to flaunt like that.
Daddy's other favorite legion. The Luna Wolves were his pride and joy, but the Dark Angels were the one's that did whatever shit he asked and did it quietly no matter what it was.

The Son you bring to award ceremonies vs the Son you know you can always call on to get shit done.

Visit Alexander
>>5355127
>>5355136
>>5355139
>>5355141
>>5355180
>>5355378
>>5355675
>>5355900

Communication with the Imperium
>>5355131
>>5355154

War Council
>>5355502

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The pain was there, that pain when one experiences a machine’s death. It was a devastating one for no human should be able to experience death. Though the power of the Machines though one can experience the absolute pain of being lost to oblivion. It was something that few could still stand when they had experienced it.

Alexander however did not regret what he had done for a second.

He looked upon his right arm with the limb aching with power and might. The subtle flashes of strength and power flowing through his veins. In the moment where Navaros Dominus died he also felt the greatest exaltation of his lifetime.

“Did you feel the Machine God in those moments?” Fredric Borgius asked as he looked over at his fellow from a nearby chair.

“...” The Prince stayed silent as he strained his arm again, “How did you describe it?”

“As if the Steed was in full repair, a moment of absolute strength that could not be rivaled.”

“Then I did.” Admitted the Prince as he formed a fist, “Is that what you wanted to ask me about?”

There was a sudden shuffle among some of the guards in the room upon those words. Though those who could be described as more than human did not move an inch upon such a fiery spoken word. As expected of the Steel Wardens, those who were tasked to secure the highest level of Tech Priests and now the one who killed the Overlord. Those guards who had sworn themselves to Navaros though had moved.

Fredric leaned back as he spoke, “It was not the only thing, but it was something I wanted to know. It is evident that the Machine God looks fondly upon the Knights of Dutonis and have granted upon us miracles.”

“Miracles…” There was a moment of ponderment within those words, “It could have been the last moment of Atlas’s divine will.”

“As a gift from the Machine God to him, I am sure.” Answered Fredric as he took out a small apple and began cutting, “What of those last moments, what did you feel?”

Alexander looked upon Fredric with a dirty stare, “I cannot let you talk to me like I am some sort of child. That is a grave disrespect to House Navaros Fredric.”

“Then banish me.” The other Prince said as the two locked eyes.

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The two stared at one another, a burning hatred from one to the other. The idea of being treated so lowly was something that a Prince should never experience from his equal. He should not be putting up with such a reprimand!

But then he focused upon his fellow. There was no malice, no desire to bring him down. Fredric simply asked him that question because he could.

“In those moments I had completed what our forefathers could only have dreamed of. In the moment of Navaros Dominus’s death I had completed the greatest feat known to our Knights yet.” He answered as a fist was raised into the sky in remembrance, “I avenged Atlas.”

“I… wonder how the greater galaxy will hear of that deed.” Answered Prince Alexander as he spoke once again. “There has only been three times that has happened yet. One killed by Horus Lupercal, and the other two by the Master of Mankind.”

“So… I’ve done something only demi-gods have done before.”

Fredric gave a small nod as he heard the hope within the man’s voice, “While I have killed a Gargant that is of the God-Machines, yours is of one who might be equal to a Primarch. Your name will be sung by the greatest of bards for all years to come.”

Alexander felt himself go silent again as he thought about those words. The honor of being known as a Demi-God slayer placed upon him. But in the end he held himself up with honor, and as he looked upon his fellow he had only one word to say.

“Thanks.”

“You are welcome.” Answered the Prince as he handed the peeled apple, “We both serve the Machine God, there should no longer be animosity between us.”

There was a small chuckle from the Prince as he took the apple, “We shall see. I believe my legend is becoming greater than yours.”


“Then I shall endeavor to beat it.” The Prince answered back as the door opened.

And in that moment the two looked upon the metal mask of a giant. While they were not gripped by his presence, their knowledge of him did.

“May I come in?” Asked the man as he stood at the door.

“You are allowed, Sanctus Dominus.” Answered Prince Alexander as he tried his best to give a bow.

>>Same as before lol
>Rebuild Navaros Dominus
>Custom Job time!
>Similar to Arch Angelus, but replacing that seige claw with The Fist of Atlas.

>>5356261
Plan is for an early post tomorrow.

>>5356261
>Similar to Arch Angelus, but replacing that seige claw with The Fist of Atlas.

>>5356261
>Custom Job time!
>But add the Fist of Atlas
I'll let SoN come up with the details, but I suggest something that can complement the Arch Angelus, either by enhancing their strengths or covering up their weaknesses.

>>5356276
Oh, and it'a not like I'm trying to order him around.
It's just that he has suggested very detailed custom plans everytime, so I'm just expecting he will do it again.

>>5356076
I thought the first company was going to be tanks with brains but alright

>>5356258
Oh God I thought I saw angel beats for a moment. Aargh remember when the characters started dissapearing at the end of the show? maaaaaaaaaaaaan the feels

>>5356261
>>Similar to Arch Angelus, but replacing that seige claw with The Fist of Atlas.
NICE This one will also have a KICKASS harpoon?

Actually I appreciate the vote of confidence. I've had the fortune to play a 40k style game with a fellow anon here and it's truly help make the stats on wahapedia make sense.
My dillema is that both houses of Dutonis appear to be melee knight houses. Which is of course the more common. Tbh I kinda wish we had access to House Vulker, not only a Mechanicum Questoris house but one that specifically values "slaying foes from afar before they reach enemy lines". That would fit our ranged firepower loving legion well too. They are in Segmentum Pacificus so perhaps for a future war we can hire their services and offer them some planets.

House Vulker would allow us a number of ranged based strategies and relics such as an Oathbreaker Guidance System to allow our knights to target enemy commanders regardless of their bodyguards, or access to the "Unremitting" martial tradition that makes their blast weapons blow up twice the number of foes. We would make more use of weapons like Gravity Singularity Cannons. But the ways of Dutonis are Choppa, not Dakka.

QM was right in that going by default stats the Cerastus is the melee superior choice over Acastus. Although the acastus has 30 wound points to the Cerastus 26, the Cerastus has a base Weapons Skill of 3+ or higher vs the Acastus 4+ or higher to hit. And the Cerastus is faster at 12" movement vs the Acastus 8".

That being said I'd want to believe that Talos has the technical know how to tweak an acastus to be able to do the tango with better servo motors and such. If the Arlatax is a Domitar but fast and made for melee, and the Telemon is a dreadnought for a custodes nimble enough to sprint and do interpretive dance, what stops Talos from pimping out an acastus to have 12" movement and the agility for 3+ Weaponskill? (Or armoring up a Cerastus to give it 30 wounds. But bigger is always better imo)

If Talos cant deviate from given rules and stats we may wish to instead upgrade Alexander with appropriate melee buffs. Perhaps recommending he take up Knight of Swords battle trait which would give him +1 Weapon Skill.


Oooooor. . .because we already have Frederick as our Melee knight, if you guys want to "cover weaknesses" we could push for Aleksander to become our ranged knight. The Acillian to Frederics Astartes. He did after all go forth to reach out and slay the enemy commander.

The way I'd see it is we would swear House Navaros as a Mechanicum Questoris house, not an Imperial Questoris house. Then we ask if he would like to pay a visit and learn from House Vulker, perhaps to gain their good relations (I forget if hes married if he isnt he could even marry into them). This could allow House Navaros to count as benefitting from the House Vulker rules, allowing us to mold them into our ranged knight arm.

>>5356422
Well actually I would love to have an all dreadnought company.

I'm actually studying very hard on rules of space marine codex and combined with learning to play the game attempting to adapt them for the 2nd legion. Mostly by cobbling together and reflecting some rules from other chapters where appropriate like the iron hands "Reject Flesh embrace the Machine" strategem and thus.

So yeah, if we can one up Lions all termi company with an all dread company. . .fuck yeah. I'd vote the shit out of that.

>>5356474
When I get home I'll try and post a decent cerastus build but yeah if you guys wanted to have a ranged and a melee knight house that's a way we could do it.

It would basically be applying the "Fealty to the Cog" Household rule.

It's funny but to Dutonis credit, they have kept such fantastic care for their STCs theres virtually no knight pattern or weapon seemingly beyond our reach. We actually dont have to devote any research to knights cause. . .we got it all. Armigers, Cerastus, Acastus, Dominus. Only thing I havent seen available maybe are Moriax.

This in comparison to the sad state of our vehicular and infantry forces. We are throwing Skitarii into the meat grinder when we should be throwing Tech Thralls into the meat grinder. Not even sure on our vehicles I havent seen eye nor ear of even a Malcador so I'm inclined to believe we are still even working on mass implementing those. We at least have gained access to the Thalaxii so that's going to take some time.

Can only imagine how much more frustrating it would be if all Dutonis had to offer was Armigers from the age of strife and we had to tack on "rediscover the Knight patterns" to our long list of things to restore. No wonder they seem to be our true main arm.

>>5356474
>>5356479
Well, whatever build you settle upon I'll support.
I still think both the Dutonis houses won't even need convincing to serve mechanicum at this point, at most just need it to make it official. If being part of tge Lucian federation doesn't already garantee it.

>>5356492
n-no dunecrawlers?

>>5356512
Arkhand Land invented those.
He hasnt done his famous expedition yet as far as I'm aware. We havent even met the man yet, and hes one of the big techpriest names I hope to see.

>>5356261
>Similar to Arch Angelus.

Tbh.
If Arkhan Land can invent an entirely new Tank pattern, what does stop Talos from inventing a tank pattern of his own
Or even a Knight Pattern, a brand new one with his name on it.

The Knight Talosian?

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>>5356261
>>Custom Job!
>>Prince Aleksander, Lancer of Navaro
(I'd like to imagine hes good. not Canis Rex good, but pretty darn good with the upgrades we'll give him. Fluff incoming in next post)
Also DID SOMEBODY SAY MAGRAIL HARPOONS AND PILEBUNKER?
>-Name: Prince Aleksander
>-40 Power
>-Base (Use Acastus Model)
>-No 1 M12" (10", 8") WS3+ BS2+ S8 T8 W 30 (16-30, 8-15, 1-7)
>-Prince Aleksander is equipped with 1 Talosian Prototype Mag-Acellerator Harpoon; 1 (Shoulder Mounted) Cyclonic Melta Lance; 6 Oathbreaker Cognis Missiles; Titanic Feet

Talosian Prototype Mag-Acellerator Harpoon
(Shooting) 42" Heavy 1 S16 AP-6 D10
"Each time an attack is made with this ) weapon against anMONSTERorVEHICLEunit (excludingAIRCRAFT), add 1 to that attack’shitroll. Each time an attack made with this weapon is allocated to a model, that model’s unit suffers 3mortalwoundsin addition to the normal damage."
(Melee) Standard S+6 AP-4 D8
(Melee) Charge Sx2 AP-4 D10

Oathbreaker Cognis Missile = Shieldbreaker Missile + Ignores "Look Out Sir!"
Ion Gauntlet Shield (Same as baseline)

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>>5356653
FAQ
What is this?: Its an Acastus sized Knight that Talos pimped the Servo motors so its fast and can fight in melee. Just because it's big doesnt meant it has to be slow! (Just like Big E's golden boys and Big E himself)
What's the Prototype Mag Acellerator Harpoon?: Exactly what it sounds like. Talos delving into Federation Era Tech to create a weapon that launches its Adamantium tipped harpoon with even greater electromagnetic force than the original variety for longer range. At short range it can unleash this incredible pent up potential energy at point blank like a Pilebunker.
Oathbreaker Missiles?: Missiles designed to kill enemy leaders

Why?
"Prince Federeick slew monsters. You Alexander slew the enemy commander. I need a Knight willing to get as close to the enemy leader as possible and dispatch them with contempt"

>>5356261
>>Similar to Arch Angelus, but replacing that seige claw with The Fist of Atlas.
i just go with this, cause him kiling the overlord with that claw was fucking awesome, so give him more of that

Atlas was an Imperator no? Unless I'm mistaken and it was something else.
Kinda wondering how we would put the fist of Atlas on any knight when its fist is likely as big as any knight. An acastus would be able to ride on an Imperators shoulders. Unless were reforging it down into a reaver power fist or other weapon.

>>5356814
Don't take it literally, it would be a specifically made weapon, named after atlas

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>>5356261
>Custom Job time!

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>>5356658
Shield Breaker Missile is a weapon on the Castellan Knight. You can see it on this ones top here for example.

>>5356814
Atlas was an AI. I think that would be pretty obvious since he is responsible for making most of the Knight STCs.

The Fist is just named after him. Said fist, which is essentially a sacred artefact now, might be given a few upgrades as well as unnatural things happening to it.

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>>5356653
>>ADENDUM
>A much better picture of the Arch Seraphim (Modified Fast Acastus) datasheet

Now with 100% more Fist of Atlas, because fuck shield gauntlets just PUNCH more

>>5356865
Does anything stop Talos from just swapping out the Helios Defense Missile pod for some shield breakers?

If we absolutely have to limit its number the original number of 4 so be it. I was hoping Talos could just use his Technowizardry to shrink the size of the shield breakers so they fit in the six slots of the Helios Defense Missile battery (or just modify the Helios Defense Missiles to act like Shieldbreakers under a different name)

Alternatively, if you are just flat out against Kitbashing for the quest, I'd understand that too. Declaring that no kitbashing is allowed would actually make coming up with designs a lot more clear if we must follow given GW models.

But it will leave Talos with a big hole in his heart when he sees how others like Land get to invent, lorewise, completely new things by jamming stuff together lol

>>5356867
By all means. For the stats in >>5356869 I just copied the Freedom's Hand buuut if you have an even better more awesomer fist in mind use it!

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>>5356869
That's pretty nice of us to give Alexander a handgun. A dismounted knight should still be prepared to fight!
>>5356874
>No kitbash
>Greenskins laughing at us because its pre-indomitus so they can still make looted vehicles from everything that moves
Arkhan Land was able to build a never before seen tank in a cave! With a box of scraps!

>>5356869
Why not make his special ability:
Slayer of the Overlord: When determining the honor level of this model, it is always Virtuous.

No need to deal with Mentor stuff.

IIRC several baneblade variants were created by taking Titan weapons and strapping them onto baneblade tank chassis. Even the Imperium gets Orkish tendencies sometimes

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>>5356893
Good idea. I only copied that from Canis Rex, but your suggestion is better.

From what I gather, Honor points are related to oaths. The higher the honor rank based on points (Honored, Virtuous) you get good bonuses.

If Alexansder were to take the oath "Lay Low The Tyrants" (which I think he should, given he slew the Overlord), he can make one roll into a natural 6 and reap the benefits. Extremely useful in the right time and place especially if anons are okay with making him our enemy leader slayer.

>>5356821
Pimp my knight

>>Similar to Arch Angelus, but replacing that seige claw with The Fist of Atlas.

>>5356261
>Supporting
>>5356653

>>5356653
>>5356902
>>Support
If a possible goals is to make TalOS into a dreadnought but agile like custodes telemon, then testing it out on a Knight is a good first step.

>>5356261
>Support:
>>5356653

It's really cool to see a Mmster working..

>>5356902
>Support
Prince Navarro does deserve a personal weapon the next time someone tries to drop in uninvited into his cockpit.

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>>5356902
Forgot to adjust the movement stat for those pimped out Servo-motors.

I don't' recall if Talos saw any of the Emperor's Custodes when he last met, or on Terra when visiting Malcador, but I 100% believe he would fanboy over every inch of their gear. The sublime technological perfection, the orderliness of the auramite/adamantium alloy down to the molecular level. He'd definitely want to mimic it.

>>5357123
Don't forget the gene editing, each one a custom job.

>>5357123
Nano do you remember that I said before about that idea I had for a new system like F.A.G.? So I finished writing it, it was almost 1000 words. Since you are the most active person on this thread I ask you.

>Do I pass this to an online document for anyone who wants to read it or do I post the text as it is?

>>5357177
not another essay damn it. I keep thinking QM wrote an update just to realize what was up later

>>5357177
Drop it on a pastebin and link it here.

>>5357177
Duuude I want to see it. Make a google doc and link it! Maybe allow comments and such.

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WIP
WARNING:
-Made by someone whose only played 2e Necromunda but watched a bunch of 9e vids and tried to get the jist of it
-Balance? What's that? Does it taste like rule of cool?
-Everything in here is basically a refluffed equivalent version of something else from the codex+supplements, but some are more equal than others
-I like ranged firepower and big armor
-Half (or more) of this stuff we obviously have not done its more idea posting/brainstorming/dreaming of what could be
-1st Company Dreadguard = Dreadnought Company Lifeguard for Talos
-2nd Company Dragonguard = Armored Terminator Fist that we send out on assault missions

-Fuck you Lion how come you get three different unique Detachment abilities, why can't we have three different unique Detachment abilities

Would LOVE someone to help make this more viable/balanced/not bad

>>5357226
So I says to myself: "If Perturabo is the Siege and Ruin tech guys, Salamanders are the Fire and Artisan tech Guys, and Iron Hands are the Repair and Hard-ass tech guys, what kinda tech guys could the 2nd legion be?

The DAKKA tech Guys!"

>>5357187
I have finally finished my proposal for a guidebook for forged worlds. A set of technologies, advice and suggestions with the objective of increasing the individual productivity of each one of them. This five-step program in its final form will be known as F.E.C.E.S. Something similar to the IMF recommendations, in our world.

Here goes:
https://pastebin.com/iTQZms9i


>All I ask is that you give me your suggestion or your vote to spread F.E.C.E.S throughout the galaxy.

>>5356653
So those who voted custom jobs and those who voted for Similar to Angelus voted for the same thing. So with that in mind and a chance to apply some variety I'mma switch out the Harpoon with the Plasma Annihilator (Cawl's Wrath Edition) since Alexander is more of an infantry muncher than a big monster killer like Fredric.

>>5357327
Even better! Guess we are being a bit of Cawl ahead of Cawl after all. Warbosses count as infantry right?

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¡¡Brothers and Sisters!! Blessed be all that is bathed in the gaze of the Machine God.

I have a question. Is this the sign of the cog?

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also damn this is cute and STC compliant.

>>5357360
That's Felicia Tayber iirc. Another reason for me to get around to reading the Ciaphas Cain books
>>5357359
The nice thing about the sign of the cog is you can make it with two people

>>5357359
personally I imagine the fingers are angled diagonally (upwards) interlocking at near the knuckles with thumbs almost touching.

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“I thank you.” Answered the being as he took a step into the room with a small smile.

The being that was TalOS was something many would argue was not a man. Walking into the room he could easily be described as the size of a Titan compared to a Knight. In the moments Alexander looked upon the man that was the feeling he got.

But he was not really afraid besides the size.

The Sanctus Dominus was wearing the standard gard of the Mechanicum, a black steel robe that many would claim to have been a simple black. The eyes of Alexander had been trained though as he recognized the color to be much closer to adamantium than anything else.

As he came to the side of Prince’s bed he gave a courteous bow in acknowledgement. A simple gesture that one would give to an equal or lesser. It was likely the Blackstone Fortress or his injuries, but Alexander could not really tell which was which.

Though would he complain about being the lesser of the Sanctus Dominus? The one who many of his own vassals claim to be a prophet? The answer is simply no. How infact can he complain about being lesser to a man who he took orders from.

Maybe it was a moment of dishonor, but his Father wished for Alexander to learn from him. So he would.

“I must apologize, Prince Alexander, but the warboss has permanently claimed the life of Navaros Dominus. While we could attempt to return your steed to operation, it will be debilitated.”

The prince looked upon his arm as he strained it, “Was there at least a miracle?”

“The Thunderstrike Gauntlet has been recovered from the Questorus Knight.” Answered the Priest as he gave a subtle wave of his hand, “It was a magnificent weapon to have stayed operable for as long as it had.”

“So his hand has stayed operable?” Asked the Prince with a sense of wonder.

“I understand you are referring to Atlas?” The Tech Priest correctly hypothesized as he gave a sure nod, “You are correct.”

With those words the Prince relaxed, “In the name of House Navaros, I thank you.”

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“You do not need to thank me for you are the one to achieve a great feat. With the death of the Ork Overlord our foe has since disbanded from the region. We will need to continue our conquest through the region but that is for a lesser force.”

“The Mitu shall be next?” Asked Prince Fredric a good sense of foreboding within his voice.

“They shall be.” Answered the commander of their united forces.

“Shall I have a new steed when we enter their system?” Asked the Prince as he looked upon TalOS with a determination and fire that he held within.

“You will. I have already requisitioned the parts and adamantium needed to start its construction. It shall be a mighty machine capable of wiping out entire hordes as well as wielding the gauntlet that we recovered.”

“Such mighty power…”

TalOS slipped out from his sleeve a dataslate that was hidden from within, “It shall all be contained in the Cerastus pattern that has been devised from Mars, just as Arch Angelus. The mystics of which was comprehended with the application of Dutonation STCs and first used to create Arch Angelus. Now you will have your own.”

“As long as I can confirm my legacy, grant me whatever steed you can. As long as it carries with it the Hand of Atlas.”

“And it shall.” TalOS said as he placed the data slate on the Prince’s lap, “Your recovery shall be done within four days, two of which will have to be taken within the warp. I am sorry I cannot grant you better recovery conditions but the war continues.”

“Then I shall stay strong in such a time.” Cried out the Prince as his fist tightened with a beastial grip, “I shall rise again.”

“That is good. That is good.” Answered TalOS as he rose from his seat, “My apologies if my attendance today is short, Princes of Dutonis, but communications from the wider Mechanicum have arrived. I shall take my leave.”

“I thank you for this chance to fight once again!” Shouted Prince Alexander as he gave a mighty laugh, “This is only one step towards my glory.”

Underneath the metal shell formed a grin, “Indeed you shall. There are multiple fronts of war, and only so many Domini.”

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TalOS exited the room with the grin slowly ebbing away from him. The Primarch looked both ways before entering the hallway in case some neglected Servitor or Skull was making their way through the way. He found none though and began walking.

The conquest of the Grail system had been a victory, short of the lives lost one can say a complete victory. There have been some human words discovered to have been under the enslavement of the Orks. These were a minority though as the Orks were wiped out.

With numerous systems of Orks wiped and resources available the colonization of these planets is a given. Numerous Priests from the Reconquista had already devoted themselves to the task and swore themselves to be a part of the Federation. Many of them came with small cohorts of humans however, thus manpower was being drained from planets like Helmnut.

The last time TalOS had examined the Hive Cities their populations had drastically dropped from before Lucius found them. Large swaths of the cities were reportedly drained of manpower as with the arrival of the Reconquista the only reason the planet was not tapped was removed. In the greater scheme of this, this was for the best as leaving so many people there would only be a waste of manpower.

As TalOS thought this he had made his way to the upper parts of the Blackstone Fortress. The number of Tech Priests and Servitors decreased drastically as he approached the Choirs.

The place itself can be said to be the most normal feeling of the Blackstone Fortress, simply by purview of being the one with the most Candles. In the end though the Choir was still heavily hampered by the presence of the Fortress, thus the need for hundreds of psykers was necessary for the main fleet to receive them. And since hundreds of psykers was hard to defend in a standard corvette or destroyer, they were all forced upon the Blackstone Fortress.

TalOS did not get too far into the sanctuary as the sound of a Servo Skull buzzing came into his ears, the Primarch turned to see the Astropath Transcendent walking towards him. As TalOS previously understood these blind men would have normally used their psychic abilities to see, but being upon the Blackstone Fortress has robbed them of such an ability.

“My Lord.” The old man said as he spoke in TalOS’s general direction, “Thank you for responding to my summons.”

>The Status on TalOS’s sons with Malcador
>Blank Project
>Correspondence from his brothers.

>>5357476
>Blank Project
and since I'm imagining the message is from Malcador we can kill two bird's with one stone.
>The Status on TalOS’s sons with Malcador

Aww no fast Acastus? Oh well. I hope it's at least snazzier than the average cerastus! Also I wonder how much both princes have chosen to heal vs the parts replaced with bionics. At some point perhaps they may consider embracing the merits of the machine. Why heal a broken leg, when you can simply solder or even replace it?

Hmmmm our hive planet abundance is running out faster than I wished. We havent even conquered a sector or remotely tapped into full recruitment potential. Concerning, all the more reason to reorganize after the war. And get more hive worlds. Gotta plan for the conquest of other sectors too.

"Small Cohorts of Humans"
I hope those are the first seeds of the Tech Thralls! One day the backbone of our mortal auxilia.

>>5357476
>>Blank Project
The most important of all those three options, critical to our plans. We can learn what our brothers are up to later and our sons are being treated well under Malcador surely.

>>5357476
>Blank Project
Null, pariahs, blanks no matter what ypu call them, they are blessed by the Machine God, not cursed.

>>5357504
It seems it's tapping out way more due to colonizing xenos and deatroyed worlds tha battlefield casualties, so it's less losing manpower and more investing it.
After the war and some reforms, the gothic sector is going to be a very populous and rich one.

>Blank Project
>Correspondence from his brothers.

Malcador will have done good work with our sons. More pressing matters are upon us.

>>5357476
>Blank Project

>>5357515
Hear hear. And maybe after the war Talos can take a vacation from Domini and take up the role of Archmagos Civilis/Logistica and do some Sim Planet games to make them extra nice.

Were a bit ways off from Guilliman. If Manus is found (we as second would have been 4th in canon?) Next up should be Fulgrim iirc.

I hope the project will go well. It got shafted so hard in canon, even in 30k all the sisters did was fight with swords and flamers (and they only kept sisters, the male blanks didnt even get so lucky). Seriously, such wasted potential for an extremely rare group in the galaxy and worse even got scattered until indomitus.

I hope those "new technologies" that were being worked on but abandon in canon come to fruition here. And we can put our hand in it too at some point.

Give em proper guns not knives.

In the very least, I hope xana becomes the first (but hopefully not only) planet for their people.

>>5357476
>>Blank Project
Blanks Blanks Blanks!!! We musta! We gotta! We haveta!

>>5357476
>Blank Project
Let's get going with this.

>>5357476
>Blank Project