The Reconquista has finally arrived at Lucius with the bearing of weapons and men from all over the Mechanicum. With Sanctus Dominus TalOS DAV1S at the head of the Crusade all will fall in their wake. ++The Rules++>Vote with Greentext, otherwise they probably won’t be accepted.>Write-ins can be accepted, and might even be used in the final without majority rule.>If you are going to change your vote, make it so your post only links to the numbers of the previous vote. It's cleaner that way.>If you mix votes together without modifying them in any way, I reserve the right to employ your top most pick as your vote. Claiming it as a write-in won’t work either unless you modify it to convince me otherwise. Archives:https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=The%20Machine%20QM
The feeling that all possessed was something between a cruel tinge and a welcoming calm. Around the room were five men who all wore different color robes huddled themselves around a pair of candle like crystals that gave a soft hum of energy. Even the one who would describe themselves as super human stood near the light as a human would a source of heat. Around them was the light consuming Blackstone. While the room played host to a variety of lights none of them were able to truly keep the place alit. The only real source of light was the table before the men as they stood before the table watching it animate. They were of course not the only ones within the room. Around them were a series of guards from all walks of service. All present had some form of augmentation upon them whether it be mechnaical or organic. Those of the organic variety would easily be described as super-human but those who were mortal were still comparable to those who possess only metal. They were however not working as of now. Instead each of them were watching for the doors at the far end of the room to open. None at the present really saw the need for small talk as they used these spare moments to organize their own people. One of them however did not have the capability of such communication but he simply kept his slince for it was bred into his being to keep it. Such a thing was common among his breed, unlike the great amount of his cousins. As many of them were wrapping up their exchanges of information the door on the other end of the room opened with the sound of heavy mechanical pistons. While previously the door would have been effortlessly opened through psychic effects no longer did this vessel possess such luxuries and was hence replaced with a mechanical mechanism. The one who stepped out of the door quickly grabbed everyone’s attention. They first thing the group assembled saw was the blackened steel robe that the person was wearing. A series of red highlights went all about the cloth declaring the one a member of the Crusade Force. If one were to look deeper they would notice the hard lined metal plates that covered the person’s arms. Those who were aware of such legends would place it similar to that of a Knight whose cloth covered their armor. A divine state of thought that had been within the mind of humanity for entire epochs of their existence. To this person, four of the five men gave a bow while the remaining one gave the sign of the Aquila. The person raised the cloth to expose a helm instead of a head. Each of those present would compare it not to the head of a normal human, but to that of the God Machines of the Mechanicum. “Raise your heads. We shall begin.” Declared TalOS DAV1S as he looked upon his compatriots.
“For the first order of business shall be our current state of affairs.” TalOS began the meeting as he activated the Tactical Display Table before them, “As you can see the Xenos have within recent months begun skirmish attempts against the Federation. None of these have numbered more than ten ships and none of them have gotten past our garrisons.” TalOS had the terminal change to an animation of one of the previous battles, “These attacks were likely an attempt to probe our defenses and weigh them. While there is also the chance of them using it to mount a possible raiding force, none have gotten deep enough to reveal what their ultimate aim was.” With those words TalOS moved the screen over to another point with a wave of the hand, “The Orks have not made any attempt to attack us since the initial incursion. Legion Master Matthias, you have had far more experience with Orks, what do you think of this?” The Imperial Fist nodded his yellow helm as he reached over and drew a line through the holovid, “Orks will attempt to find the quickest fight they are able to, but they also want to win. Their Warboss has likely decided that they will eliminate their greater enemy first before turning their entire attention upon us. Only then will they gain the support of their ‘gods’ for the next war.” “So you suspect it is a cultural thought process developed to not develop a war on two fronts?” Arch Magos Dominus Sicaran of Mars asked. “That is what I have witnessed from the Xenos during strategy meetings and on the field.” “That comes with the assumption that the Orks will fight us if we come towards them.” “Yes. We are too far away at the current moment for the Orks to take interest in our activities. They will not care if the enemy is close enough to fight.” “Thus before anything else we will need to consider whether or not we wish to bring the Orks in upon us.” TalOS pointed out as he looked upon the vid. The group of Tech Priests stood silently as they processed the request. It would have unnerved any other human as their comrades went silent but the Legion Master simply allowed them the time to think. Sure he had not attended something like this with the Mechanicum but he could tell when people were thinking.
“We must consider first and foremost the amount of resources that will be drawn into fighting the Orks.” Declared Prime Magos Dominus Pteraxii of Columnus as he looked upon everyone, “We have enough resources to fight both sides if that were to happen but it would dampen our ability.” “We could prepare fortifications to take the brunt of the wave.” High Dominus Eretis of Xana suggested as he sent out a small package, “our objective is not to win against those Xenos right now but to stave them off.” “What kind of fortification method will we be employing against them?” The Imperial Fist asked the Xanite, “From my experience we have had multiple ways to deal with Orks. I personally have employed site fortresses to increase the amount of manpower but I have had captains employing active defence methods so that the orks have a low chance of breakout.” “Ultimately we will need to decide if we want to deal with them genuinely.” TalOS pointed out before things lost track, “Both methods will give us the ability to strike at the Orks to keep them out. Our benefits for risking either option would need to be less than the benefit.” “Sanctus Dominus.” Arch Magos Dominus Sicarian began as he made a show of a hand, “I had reviewed data from your previous incursion. The Majority of the enemy fleet is there.” “That is correct.” TalOS informed the Tech Priest with a certainess in his voice, “As of now, including the Blackstone Fortress, we are now on parity with the Mitu Collective when it comes to Naval resources.” “A possible three way fight.” Dominus Pteraxii declared as he gave a certain nod, “But that also ignores that the Xenos have what was labeled as their Hive World in that area.” “It is the closest form of internal components we can have access to.” TalOS told the group to confirm the words spoken, “The Xenos are based out of the far eastern side of their Empire, where Warp Currents make it nearly impossible to travel within a reasonable time frame.” “Geographic defence.” Declared the Imperial Fist as he comprehended the ideas put forward. >Take the chance with the Orks, we are going directly for the Mitu. >Best to not antagonize the Orks more than we have, we don’t need a three way war. >We could go right for the Orks instead… Pic is not the best, but its what I can make with my little drawing talent.
>>5310888>Go right for the orksThe Mitu aren't going to compound and mega-expand through warfare.Orks will.
>>5310888>Best to not antagonize the Orks more than we have, we don’t need a three way war.
>>5310888>We could go right for the Orks instead…while it will give the Mitu the chance to recover we need to remember that Orks grow quicker. how hard it is to eradicate them from any worlds they land, and how they only grow stronger/smarter the more of them there are.
>>5310888>Take the chance with the Orks, we are going directly for the Mitu.
Remember to give it a +1 to every thread you turboniggers. It better be 30 by the end of the day
qm, one critique.You don't proofread before posting. You should. It is particulary notorious in this update
>>5310888>>We could go right for the Orks instead…The orks display an exponential growth. There is technology that acts as a force multiplier, but nothing that compare. It is reasonable to attack the orks as that will also throw the Mitu off. I bet they have poured their resources into defense and those will be a passive sink as long as we don't attack them.The federation will need less resources preparing a defense against the mitu compared to a defense against the orks. In other words, attacking the orks is the cost effective option, which is logical. And what is logical is sacred.
So from what I have in my mind, the capital is *here* and the warp "problems" are *there* ¿What other references you anon have in your mind? To put it on the ramshackle map.Want I want to put is:>Where we think the enemy fleets are>Where we think solar systems are (ideally identifying them as well. Agri world, fortress, docks...)>Where we think enemy clusters are (specially for orks)>Our solar systems. Dutonis, Columbus, Lucius, that hive world, Mezoa...
>>5310935I always vote on the archive, just not on the last three because I archived it and the sites blocks me.I guess I could use mobile data to bypass that, but it would feel like samefagging.
>>5310973This map is pretty much the field, thanks for making it!
>>5310885For the ppurpose of adjusting my references, does that picture accurately describe us?What are the major changes we have undergone?>>5310888>We could go right for the Orks instead…The Orks are the superior logisticians to the Mitu. That is because they do not care for logistics, their mad gods provide them. They gain fuel, ammunition, manpower as they fight and win rather than expend them. Both we and the Mitu expand them. In a prolonged fight they are the better match, that is why we should avoid prolonging the fight with them.If we fight the Mitu and have exhausted ourselves, only for the Orks to sweep in, their ability to snowball is significant.We should deal with the power claw at our backs, we can fortify the border against the Mitu.Ork Worlds also make ideal salvage worlds, as they leave behind much in the way of scrap metal and iron asteroids that can be melted down into more resources.
>>5310973At work but when I get home I can attempt to make a rough estimate using the 30k map QM linked us once. But it shouldnt be too hard for any of us to just MS paint it.
>>5311043https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/7/77/Adeptus_Mechanicus_Forge_Worlds.png/revision/latest?cb=20150421231527https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/e/e5/Adeptus_Mechanicus_Forge_Worlds_2.png/revision/latest?cb=20170925013458one of this two aha? hmmm
>>5311157>>5311043http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/6/6e/Imperium_Dominatus_Ancient_Map3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131121093414here¿? I won't clutter more posts without the right one...
>>5311157>>5311169It's this map, on the 30k modehttps://jambonium.co.uk/40kmap/
>>5311457Somethings have moved around (like Mezoa), but its concept is the same.
>>5310888>>Take the chance with the Orks, we are going directly for the Mitu.
I like this ilustration
>>5310888>>We could go right for the Orks instead…
>>5310888>We could go right for the Orks instead…Orks are pests, leave a sliver and they'll come back to bite us in the ass
>>5310888>We could go right for the Orks instead…Orks grow fast and infest planets.
Really rough estimate but something like this?
>>5311994Rough, but the North of Lucius is also Imperial. The Imperium essentially looped around both the Mitu and Ork Empires.
Go right for the Orks>>5310898>>5310904>>5310958>>5311823>>5311851>>5311970>>5312003Avoid the Orks>>5310899Attack the Mitu Directly>>5310905>>5311656You know, this choice was the one I did not think would go off. It makes complete sense however that it would be the most pressing target.
>>5312029I also had the feeling that attacking the mitu made the most sense, since we are openly at war with them so there is justification and need to fight them. On the other hand, the orks are *there*, but they are way more ENEMY compared to the mitu, even if there is no reasoning for that war.In fact, calling it "war against the orks" doesn't sound exact. Xenocide? Yes, we are 100% xenociding the mitu as well, but that fight is more WAR in comparison... I know it makes perfect sense to fight the orks first but I don't have the right words to describe it. Also, do you think diplomacy is avaible? "let's not invade eachother as long as the orks are there" of the sorts of course we are DEFINITELY breaking that arrangement.A thing that bugs me since thread 4 or 5. The craftworld. It was damn strange!! And also the orks invading Lucius directly. I never knew why they went that way.
>>5312039Orks will hit you hard when you aren't looking. As dictated by their god.Don't like the mitu. They are vile and abominable. Orks. . .well, OOC I think blood axes are cool and maybe, had the circumstances been different, sanctoined xenos mercs would be very cool. But IC especially for a primarch there's an incredible amount of stigma for very little benefit not to mention our religion would forbid it and there's no good reason to do any diplomacy with the Orks. Nothing short of the night apocalypse could justify that. Of course, a clever cogman might consider hiring a rogue trader who would have a lot less scruples on the sanctioned xenos they work with.But truly, there is very little Orks have to offer us other than a threat.
>>5312052I feel like the most diplomacy w would ever do with Orks is to pay them in raw materials (we ain't giving them a scrap of tech) to attack someone else to give us time to prepare to kill both the orks and the target we payed for them to hit.
>>5312071Even that would be very hard to justify directly if not politically impossible.But paying Rogue Traders to do it for us seems more feasible.Don't think Talos would be too fond of it though.
>>5312078Also you fellows voted to kill the Orks first.
>>5312079Absolutely.This is just WAY to big an ork empire to let live by any other means. It would be madness to try and do diplomacy with any orks of this size and such a threat.At best, you work with small warbooter fleets or such.
>>5312078I meant Orks in general. I agree these ones are too powerful to let live.
The smell of incense crossed TalOS as those at the table began to think. Thoughts and algorithms continued to try and develop a cohesive process to learn what would prove optimal. It was a simple weight matrix comparing their objective’s value and if that was worth the risk from the Orks. However as the men of steel thought one other spoke. “My Lords.” The Imperial Fist started as he looked upon the battlefield, “May I recommend another course of action?” “Present.” TalOS’s mechanical voice crackled as he waved his hand towards the board. The Fist gave the Primarch a firm nod before moving the screen, “In my battle with the Orks we have found that as a race they are far more capable than any others. While the Mitu have caused terror upon the humans in the Southern Federation, if we allow the cancer that is the Grail System Orks to stay alive they will be the doom of us.” TalOS’s eyes blinked, and then blinked again, “Your logic is sound Matthias. We have allowed ourselves to be narrowed into the wrong issue like an unguided Machine Spirit. My fellow Domini, I do not think we together can even compare to our compatriots in manners of fighting Orkoids.” The first to speak was Arch Magos Sicaran, “You are correct Sanctus Dominus. I have read over a series of reports issued from all Legions but none of that information was processed directly from Mechanicum War Assets. It likely does not contain the raw understanding that Legion Master Matthias has.”“We must take to the skies once again and examine the issue from abroad then.” Declared Prime Magos Pterraxi, “Legion Master, what do you make of the situation?” TalOS noticed that for just a moment the Astartes stood stunned. It was an easy estimation to guess that the Astartes was assuming that they would have only paid passing heed to those words. As if he had seen it before…TalOS could not help but take a moment to think back to his brothers. Surely as a Legion Master Matthias had interactions with Horus at some point. If he had, he would have gotten a full breath of his personality. Leading to TalOS’s realization that the persona matrix of Horus Lupercal was becoming more true. “I am surprised that either side of this conflict has yet to overtop one another. Likely this was due to a series of innovations by their Collective but they will soon fail.”
With a hint of understanding TalOS spoke, “So we will need to make sure the Greenskin are eliminated before they can reach a critical state. If you may confirm with me, the Orks grow based on their population and its interactions in combat.” The Imperial Fist gave a certain nod to those words, “Their technological levels are derived directly from those factors. We have also noticed that there is a strong correlation between the strength of its Warboss and the Horde.” The clicking of vox caster from Eretis sounded, “As it is correlation, is it possible to assume that the Orks are a direct inflection of their leader?” “I cannot confirm that High Dominus, these are my observations from the battlefield. I have only faced one Warboss in combat so I do not have intimate knowledge to create rockcrete comparisons.” “That is understandable.” Declared the necrotic Tech Priest as he gave something close to a cough, “I simply wanted to compare these Xenos to those we of Xana have on record.” TalOS found those words interesting but knew now was not the time to bring up Xana’s past, “Then the elimination of the Orks inhabiting the Grail system shall be given prime priority. Legion Master Matthias, what is standard Imperial Doctrine when facing these Xenos” “To kill the Warboss and as many other of its fellow High Commanders.” The Fist proclaimed as a tried and true method, “How this has been achieved differs from Legion to Legion. The First Legion employed a steady battle towards the center that led to the Warboss appearing upon the battlefield where he would be exterminated. Horus Lupercal leaves his supply lines behind to make an incision strike at the base world.” “As for my Legion we take a position and have the orks come towards us. When the opportunity presents itself we will cut off the initial assault from the rest of its forces and crush them in a counter siege.” For the first time in the meeting the Imperial Fist expressed an emotion other than stoicism, “We have found that the Orks suffer heavily from siege warfare as they run out of materials faster than any other Xenos Race.” “Records show that Orks are incredibly wasteful which in turn fuels their need for expansion.” TalOS pointed out with a phantom smile upon his cold steel face, “We could use that against them.”
“My fellows, I do so believe we can employ the methods the Imperial Fists suggest we employ.” TalOS began as he flicked the screen to the lands of the Orks, “Orks, according to the records of Lucius, are a psychic species that use their thoughts to empower themselves. As they are a psychic species we can use that against them.” With a flick of his hands the screen demonstrates the movement of the Fortress through the lands of the Xenos, “While it can be taken with several methods the delivery of the Blackstone Fortress will weaken whatever forces we encounter.” Quickly the screen turned towards that of a spearhead formation surrounding the Fortress, “Firstly we can employ the method of my Brother. Horus’s scheme is quick and efficient in that it will leave the Orks unable to reform in the time we take the fight towards the Mitu Collective in full form. Thus we can spend more time dealing with the Mitu instead of them.” “It means you will lose a supply line.” Matthias pointed out right away. “And as such it becomes only one of many schemes we can employ. Secondly we can take what you have suggested and systematically kill the Ork Empire piece by piece. This will make sure the region can be settled almost immediately as well as make sure the Ork Exodus from the region is minimal.” “Counter, it will be slow.” Eretis realized without a moment’s more thought. “As would be expected of a prefered option. Time is however not our luxury for any day the Mitu can land a direct attack upon us.” TalOS pointed out before giving the last display, “The final attempt we can make is a two pronged attack. Using our current immense weight we can attack the Xenos from two sides and create a stable supply line for either side to crash into the middle. When one finds weakness, the other will quickly find strength. If the Warboss is not dead by one of these moments, upon reaching the middle, we will have them with their forces drained from fighting a three front war.” >A direct spearhead, cut that head off as soon as one can>Systematic erasure, siege siege siege>Two prong, genuine attacks.
"the Orks suffer heavily from siege warfare as they run out of materials faster than any other Xenos Race"“Records show that Orks are incredibly wasteful which in turn fuels their need for expansion.”Uh oh looks like the Imperium hasn't yet encountered critical mass of orcs at Ullanor level where they simply just believe there's enough supplies so they don't run out.
>>5312125>A direct spearhead, cut that head off as soon as one canClearing each world of all the spores would take way too long, and if we don't do that, than it's eternal feral orks.
>>5312125>Systematic erasure, siege siege siege>Emphasize liberal use of Orbital Bombardments - Scour the biosphere so Ork Fungal supplies dwindle>Fortify as we advance#1 Unlike baseline humans, the Admech does not need a biosphere to begin settlement procedures. We are happily able to colonize barren and airless worlds, or molten lava planets, for mining operations. If we so need terraformation can happen later in peace time#2 Orks have one major supply chain. They require Squigs for everything. Squigs for fuel, squigs for food, squigs to grind into powder for their bullets. These squigs and fresh orks grow from fungal jungles, as is known to the Xenarites and Xenologists of the Mechanicum of Mars. #3 Heavy use of orbital bombardment and methods to burn or siphon away the atmosphere to fungal life will weaken the Orks, and speed up the rate of our advance against them. *This will also reduce the resurgence of spores#4 The Ork offensive is superior to the Mitu one, or at least they are more geared toward it. Whether we attack one or the other first, the second will strike. We shall simply deal with it, and ideally fortify as we go along by using our vast industrial base to churn out more deployable space stations and locking down key Warp Lanes to slow down a Mitu offensive to our flanks, as well as further fortifying our border with the Mitu. We can use the Expertise of the Imperial Fists and our own to great effect Time to put the Federation War Machine into action! Like the treads of a mighty Leviathan Mobile Fortress we shall crush the enemy beneath our industrial might!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJLLPpZIcgs
>>5312125>A direct spearhead, cut that head off as soon as one can
>>5312125>Systematic erasure, siege siege siegethose worlds must be cleansed.
Like our brother Lion El'Johnson, we are well equipped to burn worlds and planets to ash. With Prometheum, With Plasma, with Magma Bombs and Warheads. Caring little for occupation or integration.But unlike our brother Lion El'Johnson, and indeed perhaps unlike our brother Guilliman, we can still make great use and even prefer the barren lifeless worlds we create. "And so it was in the sacred forge world of Metallica, they had scoured it of the biosphere so that naught even microbes survived on its clean, purified surface."Also we have a lot of factories and can start churning out those huge planet stomping munitions and ordinance by the bushel!
>>5312125>Systematic erasure, siege siege siege>>5312144Good strategy. Expend munitions over lives when we can. There are probably only a few Ork worlds we would want to take care to invade instead of bombard first and cleanup after. Occupied forge worlds, enslaved hive worlds, or planets with exotic resources that would be burnt away.
>>5312124>rockcretekek, good one qm
>>5312125>Systematic erasure, siege siege siege
>>5312125>>Systematic erasure, siege siege siegeIf the orks get too much punishment and be on the defensive, they will feel like attacking the mitu, because "fitin' the zoggin' cog'eads is no fun"
>>5312173Doubt it. We're probably going to be a more exciting fight to charge against. Except we'll be ready for them, because we have the Fists with us. I think. Or at least a Fist advisor/attacheIt is also possible to have such overwhelming force that Orks will actually flee (Probably justifying it as a WAAAGH in the other direction) such as in Twice Dead Ruin when an Imperial Crusade was just so overwhelmingly powerful the small Ork empire ran away from them and attacked Necron worlds in their path. But we seem to have Parity with the Orks for now.If we manage to beat the Warboss, and gain an upperhand, we can attempt to push the surviving orks into the Mitu in desperation.
>>5312179Hm, who knows... ah, but I don't have clarity in matthias. He intends to make planetfall or orbital bombardment? Yes, the answer is both. But would three times the amount of bombs be more cost effective...
>>5312238Think Ceaser in Gaul. Build a lot of fortresses, fight for the fortresses, then fight those using the fortresss as a anvil.
>>5312238>He intends to make planetfall or orbital bombardment?Here's a chart based on a post from many threads back on how I think we could go about determining whether to invade or bombard a planet.
>>5312386tfw Talos at any point of the Reconquista over an enemy planet of low industrial value
>>5312386Should probably scheme up some bombardment options. Sorta like how Rad-Saturatuon is good if you want to keep an atmosphere but don't care about life on the planet.
>>5312452Mmmm.... radium... delicious. It's useful too, I can read my favourite book during night hours without having to use a flashlight!!This post was approved by my skitarii alpha
>>5312386I would disagree with so much Exterminatus/biosphere destruction. while yes as admech we can survive a planet with an intact Biosphere can house a lot more humans (it is also eaiser unless it's a deathworld), after all the federation isn't all mining/Forgeworlds. we need Agri, Civilized, and Hive worlds (even if only to get more potenial sons or skitarri).
>>5312125>Systematic erasure, siege siege siegeSSSIIIIEEEEEEEEGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
Quick question QM, do we have any orbital assets which we can drop down on the surface of a planet and use as a fortified position which we can expand from?I.e. dropping a "keep" from orbit which we can then build walls, towers and other defenses around while still ensuring the safety of our forces if they are attacked.
>>5312416What's why we have a metal face now>>5312452Agreed. Plus the Admech has rad-scrubbers.>>5312612Such planets with rich intact biosphere ripe for conversion into Agriworlds or Civilized worlds would fall under the "Biosphere/Infrastructure worth invading"It's sending men to die for the half-dead, shitty planets that make no sense when we can just kill them off entirely and inhabit them. Because the regular Imperium only knows one way to lock down a planet and that's by throwing unaugmented humans at it no matter how terrible the conditions.I would like the Federation to be strategically built, with solar systems that have planets capable of providing for themselves and with defensive planets in mind. Rather than the all encompassing, logistical nightmare that is the Imperium where every single planet is invaded and no matter how shitty people are shoved into it. And the humans they do shove into it aren't even augmented properly to survive it.Plus we can even convert a dead world into an agri-world, given enough time. I'd simply like to avoid just creating more crappy Necromunda type planets and be more like Guilliman's empire. Where the worlds are more consistently decent places to live in and organized appropriately, where Metallica has no biosphere and is inhabited soley by techpriests and skitarii built for it.
>>5312682Likely if we ever have to micromanage a planetary siege or when there's a major battle, we can include such tactics. Maybe on the capital world of the Orks and Mitu. If they are worth invading.Truth be told, and probably even Talos would be ashamed to admit it when he sees it, when there is a large enough critical mass of Orks and they and their Mekbosses build up a planet into one of their fancy attack-moons, the technology can sometimes get really good. Like, so good even the Admech wants to scavenge it for parts.Take Ullanor, converted into an attack moon in the War of the Beast and built with a planetary teleportation drive. Not only did the Admech repair and activate it, moving it into the Armageddon system and claiming they had destroyed it, but they swiped every last bit of juicy tech on it, and then just designated the world as "Armageddon" a barren lifeless world that the Imperium could colonize.These Orks we fight now probably aren't that. But you never know
>>5312682Well since we have the two groups who were known to do that exact thing (Imperial Fists and Imperial Knights) I think we can do just that. I'll take design options now but I will be looking to make this happen.
>>5312386Isn't proper exterminatus weaponry very expensive to make? Perhaps the threat level should be the first one to consider.Or maybe add another tier, extreme bombardment, and then exterminatus.
>>5312790>Isn't proper exterminatus weaponry very expensive to make?Only if you're poor. And the Federation is the opposite of poor. In fact the Admech may as well be synonymous to Imperial Wealth because we are literally the means of Imperial production.Also it turns out exterminatus weapons are about the equivalent of a fresh coat of paint for a battleship or the operating cost of a few months. They arent prohibitively expensive at all.
>When our brothers ask Talos and Roboute how they can afford all these expensive equipment and munitions>Talos and Roboutehttps://youtu.be/zQrdKtPJxI0
>>5312789Cool, then could we do something like this?https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Behemoth_(DropShip_class)Just put some more armor and guns on it, just so that it has a higher chance of surviving the grace period where it lands and doesn't have any other defenses than what is has mounted on it.
>>5312812I guess 40k's lore inconsistency strikes again.
>>531286240k already has Mass Conveyors, carrying gigantic shuttles. Just one Mass Conveyor are able to ferry an entire Imperial Crusade force down onto a planet.>With just one of the humans’ gigantic, boxlike mass conveyors in orbit, enough troops were being ferried to the ground to outpace reassembly efforts. And now, according to scout ships, a second was on the way in. The scales, at last, were beginning to tip in the favour of the Emperor of Man.>But now, the first new transports were coming in from their atmospheric entry points outside the necron zone of control in orbit. They were coming in from over the mountains, becoming visible as gigantic, dark shapes in the ochre dust cast up by the falling Scythe. Switching spectra, Oltyx saw them settling on the plain and realised their full scale – ramps he had thought to be the width of single vehicles streamed instead with hundreds of foot troops marching abreast, and columns upon columns of ironclad tracked vehicles.We could just try a far more armored up version of these.
>>5312790Yeah as QM mentioned, we can include different types of bombardment for different needs. >Bombardment>Extreme Bombardment>Exterminatus>Extreme Exterminatus
>>5312881we probably could do that, my thoughts simply lie on being able to land the thing and also have it able to take off again when there is no longer any need of it in the area it had landed (i know that the dropship i linked to couldn't operate in atmo, but i thought it might be a good starting template for what we could use). Another thing that concerns me about useing mass conveyors, is that the really big ones can get up to 20 km long and that is.... big and probably difficult to ensure has total defensive coverage/capability. A smaller, more centralized structure, such as a 2-300 meter high and 100 meter wide ship/keep, with defensive layers around it would be much more effective, since it wouldn't require as much manpower as a a 20 km long one (i know this is taking it to the extreme, but it is just to show that a smaller strucutre would be easier to defend than a VERY big one).Add on to this that making a dedicated Orbital-Defensive-Deployment-Platform (ODDP), should be much more efficient than simply reconfiguring Mass conveyors, since we can ensure that a ODDP is purpose built to ensure its defensive capability and staying-/firepower.
>>5312894To expand on this, my thought on this type of "ship", isn't that it is supposed to be a defensive structure that stays there for the entirety of its life. Rather, it is a way to quickly and efficiently fortify an area of interest and ensure that it won't be overrun by the enemy. Basically, it is like a mobile fort that can be deployed and act as a stronghold and logistical node for further defenses and ensure that the enemy can't simply overun any workers/soldiers which are building fortifications in the area.
>>5312894>>5312905TL:DR; new ship type that acts like a re-deployable turret(s)/bunker, while also able to hold units/pre-fab fortifications inside of it when it drops.
>>5312909interesting idea, one way to improve such a design would be to have short and close range turrets on the top of the ship with a wide firering arc, to be able to protect the landing zone and the long range and torpedo weapons below the ship. it would need protection while in space, but what else is new for landing crafts.
>>5312682I mean, particep semper can walk...
>>5312812I can't believe it.When TalOS meteor-bombed the Plastoids, ¿¡We were being extremely unefficient!? That's not logical, thus, it's not sacred!!!!!
>>5312884>Bombardment>Extreme Bombardment>Exterminatus>Extreme Exterminatus>DROPPING THE BLACKSTONE FORTRESS INTO CADIA
And concluding with my sameposting, I want to remember that Lucius in particular is adept at teleportation technology!! We fire teleportation rods-beacons into the enemy's fortress and spawn some PHAT titans accompanied of seven digits worth of secutarii
>>5312977Because I see no point of creating a FOB if the ships ARE the FOB, being able to beam resources up and down.
>>5312967All the ships that had Exterminatus Grade munitions were destroyed.
>>5312983Well, i do agree that lucius is very good at teleportation, but just because you can teleport a lot of troops/tanks/titans/others into the field, doesn't mean that it is the most efficient use of their resources. Teleportation is an inherently dangerous way of transportation, even by the standards of the tech prists of Lucius, so it shouldn't be used as the mainway that we hold our ground, since e might risk losing troops, or even worse titans, while transporting them.Besides, having a physical defensive structure as a FOB gives advantages that simply teleporting in units doesn't offer.1. There is a defensive perimeter that would ensure the relative safety of the troops in the area2. Teleporting in units is still possible and the FOB simply ensures they aren't ambushed when they do that3. It can be used as a distraction for more simple types of xenos, like orks, which usually go and smash themselves against the first target they see.All of this makes me think that having a type of ship/keep that we can drop wherever we want to fortify an area is a much safer and effective choice than trying to rely on warp tech, which teleportation is.
>>5313017To further expand upon this, it also seems that it isn’t possible to really teleport a lot of material with teleporters. Some of the problems are: “Imperial teleporters are large devices that have been built into the Imperium's voidcraft and ground facilities and require large amounts of power to utilise.” Which seems to make it hard to have very small and mobile battlegroups, since they would all require both the space to be teleported from, the beacon to not be lost and the power to teleport them either at once or in rapid succession. To this “Objects more than twice the standard height of a man cannot be teleported using Imperial teleportation technology and any attempt to do so will cause the device to malfunction.” there seems to be a limit to how big the teleported units can be. Furthermore, there seems to be a limit to where you can teleport, since “All teleportation using Imperial teleporters can only be done in a straight line through the Warp from the teleporter to the destination point”, which is caused by “Imperial teleporters can also only "penetrate" solid matter (...)that is no more than 5 metres thick (...) the curvature of a world presents too much solid matter for the teleporter to penetrate”. Of course, all of these problems can be ignored and a teleportation attempted anyway, but “the risk of being exposed to dangerous Warp entities or of being fatally trapped by rematerialising within solid matter or far from the intended destination is then exponentially increased”. All in all, not the most efficient and safest way of transportation, but a valuable tool when needed in combat.To counteract this though, there is the titans of Lucius.The titan legion of Lucius does have the capability to teleport (Source: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Legio_Astorum#fn_8) but if that kind of teleportation is applicable to more than just the titans or is reserved only to them because of a quirk in their design, is something the QM will have to decide on. Still, the underlying problems of teleportation is still prevalent, so it still does not seem to be the most efficient way of transporting resources/troops/other.Source: https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Teleportation
>>5313050TLDR; Teleportation is unsafe and not that flexible. Having a physical FOB is then, a safer and more efficient use of resources than teleporting all willy nilly.
>>5312909>>5312912I love the idea too.Such large orbit to surface and surface to orbit vessels are possible, we saw one in the Magnus novel.>>5312912Perhaps it could have a directional that while in space protects the whole of the craft, but upon landing protects its surface from both ground artillery and orbital bombardment.In canon 40k, typically cruisers and battleship classes are not designed with landing in mind. Well, not intentionally landing.There are a few exceptions such as in Anarch where the Sek, a "Fast Cruiser", was able to land. Being able to land and deploy those huge space worthy canons and rockets as enormous artillery with potentially intercontinental range is badass as fuck. I liken it unto the Star Wars doctrine where their star destroyers are built with planetary landing in mind. The Necrons and their Necrodermis Ships are masters of this, even their capital ship Cairns are built with landing in mind able to hide beneath the sands for sixty million years and still fly. And the Tau too even their giant ships are built with planetary landing in mind given how often they must defend their small territory. So there is precedence for even large capital ships to be capable of landing operation, it's just not normally an Imperial thing. But we can make it a Federation thing.
>>5312994Have the Federations shipyards been able to rebuild them and then some? We've given them quite some time to amass and have rebuilt many forge worlds.Plus, we also now have ships from so many allied forge worlds.
>>5312983>>5312977This is a valid point.Maybe we can just Teleport Fortresses onto the surface, rather than necessarily having to drop them from space. But that would be reserved for land that we have actually secured, so Orbit-to-Surface fortress ships would be necessary as part of just securing the ground in the first place.>>5313055Eugh no kidding. One day we gotta switch to the Necron Quantum Translation variety. Much more safe, consistent, and not warp based!
>>5313060Of course, they've been at it for two years. They are not past their previous glory but with the influx of materials should about reach it.
>>5313056*directional void shield
I regret we may not get a chance to upgrade our sons prior to starting the war, but the thought occurs to me. Typically, as with the Iron Hands, bionics happen after one is wounded, to replace lost parts.Given we have now integrated our Terran sons into the legion, I'd like to imagine they would see such battle wounds and replacements in a favorable light, and we could even further indoctrinate them into the cult with a bit of religious syncretism tying it into their heritage>Follow the Prophet, Replace thy Flesh with Holy Steel, so that upon thy death wilt thou grasp the plasmic sun, and will thy soul ride into the Valhallan-Vaults of the Machine God's Databank, Shiny Immortal and Chrome
>>5313334Whenever a 2nd Legionaire is about to die or heroic sacrifice, they shout at max vox caster volume: WITNESS METhey know through the noosphere and through their own bionic eyes, the gene father Talos and all their brothers do indeed bear witness to their final deeds and ascension into the Valhalla Database.
>>5313334The Litany of the divine communion:Holy is the machine, pure in steel and strength, Unbowing and DivineHoly is the flesh, progenitor to metal and servant to the FaithHoly is the synthesis, the pact of union between Man and MachineAnd so we most take care of the FleshAnd so we must care for the MachineAnd so we must repair what is brokenTo replace that which is Flawed with that which is DivineIn steel shall we find StrengthIn flesh shall we find WillIn holy union shall we find FaithFor the machine is immortal and guide to the divineAnd so shall we be saved
>>5313351>WITNESSEDoh man the noosphere must be full of GETs
>>5313334I love our Technobarbarian Terran sons. Who says Leman Russ is the only one allowed a ferocious warrior culture?
Tal0S check 'em
>>5313334Oh WAIT; WE CAN HAVE THE MOTTO: STEEL WITHIN, STEEL WITHOUT!!!
>>5313400>5313400>00The Numbers agree!!!
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/93409990This heresy is... it... it feels good
>>5313400Checked
SIEGE!!>>5312154>>5312148>>5312172>>5312173>>5312680>>5313104>>5312144Spearhead>>5312143>>5312147
>>5313496mmm... ormbimtal bombardmemt
“If it is prefered we should employ it.” Declared Prime Dominus Pteraxii as he lowered his head to look over the tactical vidfeed, “We will have the Orks within our hands. If done right the Mitu will also not experience a reprieve from their feral kind until they are completely eliminated if we employ the tactics correctly.” The Martian stood as tall as he could as he took his chance to speak, “I support this motion. This will be the moment in a semi-controlled environment when we can increase what was learned during the Training Exercises. An impassable opportunity.” “Supported.” Was all High Dominus Eretis answered to the group present, though TalOS could tell he did not have a true heart in it for some reason. “We have a decision made. Legion Master Matthais, I take it that the Imperial Fists have not engaged themselves in an advisory role before?” “You would be correct Primarch.” The Astartes barked with the sense of surprise within his voice, “That was the role of the First Legion before we left Terra. I however will not dishonor the Legion in rejecting this new role.” “Then you are willing to work with Skitarii and my sons. To maximize the effectiveness of this strategy; you will be expected to do joint operations with mortals.” “I do not think my Legion will perform adequately if we are employed in such a way due to our inexperience and need for cohesion. May I request that Auxilia containing at minimum a hundred Astartes be the option when operated jointly to maintain said unit cohesion.” “Permission is given, Matthais.” TalOS told the Astartes with a human wave of the hand, “Know today that your participation has likely saved millions of lives in our exhibition through the Orkoid Empire. When I meet your Father I shall first and foremost sing my praises for your service today .” “I thank you for that honor Primarch TalOS.” The Imperial Fist answered, giving the Tech Priest a willful bow. “Let us start getting into the details. Here is the chart of stellar alignment based on Terran Federation charts that were adjusted for stellar movement of seven thousand years.” And with those words the few of them began analyzing the records that were presented on the table. The Imperial Fist quickly took the stage as he had the table turn from previous extermination campaigns enacted by his chapter. By the day’s end each and every Tech Priest within the fleet was given a comprehensive study on the coming battles. TalOS knew it would take them some time to fully process but the immediate consensus was the sad reality that indeed it made so much more sense to exterminate the Orks.
Finally, once more, did the Primarch come about a moment of rest. Really though he was enjoying the scheming out of plans for the extermination of the Orks. Sadly though it came to an end. Already TalOS had commissioned a series of fortifications to be built. Such unusual designs were necessary for their operations to work properly. Ten should be enough based on the words of Matthais but TalOS had commissioned fifteen of the air to surface fortresses to be administered. One could not be too careful. TalOS walked through the halls of the Blackstone Fortress. There was one location where TalOS was wanting to visit for some time. TalOS knew he had made it when the blackened armored Astartes got up to give TalOS the sign of the Cog. As if they were all waiting for the chance TalOS was soon surrounded on either side by Astartes. It was as if TalOS had called for a parade formation. TalOS only had a moment to realize that the few Acillians with them acting confused told the Primarch this was indeed impromptu. “Go back to your duties and leisure.” TalOS told the assembled group of Astartes with the firmness his sons likely expected from him. It was rather odd seeing the Astartes looking rather confused at TalOS as he said that. As if the concept of leisure did not register with their minds. TalOS would chock that up to a programming quirk of the Astartes judging as they were watching the Acillians demonstrations of weapon rituals. The only one who seemed to get into his brother’s heads was ED1SON, who had placed a weapon part into an Astarte’s hands and subtly told him to put the weapon together. It was in the middle of this place that TalOS found them, Legion Master Vadar and Prime Mitarii AL4N looking over an eradication ray. Before the Astartes stood in solute TalOS raised his hand to stop the motion, “How is everyone enjoying thei exercise?” “We are making moderate progress, Father.” The Acillian told his Primarch with a subtle smile on his face, “Legion Master Vadar was able to finish the assembly of a Volkite Blaster so we have moved up to the Eradication Ray.” “That is good, and what do you think of the task yourself Vadar.” The Astartes held himself for a moment as he checked his words just like his father would, “I find it satisfactory Father.” “Is that so, show me what you have learned.” TalOS told the Astartes as he sat down next to his Astartes.
With a smile the Acillian got out his personal Volkite Blaster, which TalOS noticed was of the ED1SON pattern, and placed it out in front of the Astartes. The Legionnaire quickly gathered his equipment to work at the device with the efficiency of a machine. It was a glorious display as TalOS would put it, watching the Astarte work. Likely thanks to whatever upgrades were placed into his brain the Legion Master was able to easily process the piece while reciting the words that were given to him by AL4N. Though TalOS was no fool as he heard those words. They did not have the full faith like that of an initiate. The inflictions in his mouth and steel steadiness showed the Primarch someone who knew his craft well but was not taking in the overall beauty of the weapon given to him. A lack of admiration. That was the issue. Still with cold calculation the Astartes finished his allotted task and placed before TalOS a finished Volkite that looked to have been perfectly cared for. “Admirable.” TalOS told the Astartes as he picked up the weapon and studied it, “You were taught only hours ago you perform maintenance, but you achieve it with the ethicacy of a Tech Priest.” “Thank you, Father.” The Astartes simply said as he gave a curt bow. TalOS paused for a moment as he began processing what was before him. He wished there was some sort of bite so that the two of them could start a conversation but there was not. It was then that he processed himself towards the words of his fellow Primarch, that the Astartes of the Second Legion were emotionless. But that did not mean they were. After all TalOS had no illusions that there was a Friendship between the Fists and his Second Legion. Based on TalOS’s interactions with the Fists they were a more straightforward and humorless force so that only meant TalOS needed to find something. >Speak to them about their Legion’s Tactics, maybe he will show pride there>You know, based on where they are from, maybe they would like to just go out and work.>TalOS does have some Proxy Mjorn that he was experimenting with. Maybe drinking is their game.
>>5313583>You know, based on where they are from, maybe they would like to just go out and work
>>5313583>You know, based on where they are from, maybe they would like to just go out and work.
What an ironic circumstance.Normally the goal of the Adeptus Mechanicus is to control emotions, to keep them in check.Here we try to elicit it from our sons.Strange times we live in.>>5313583>You know, based on where they are from, maybe they would like to just go out and work.We do want our legions to have utility in peace as well as war. To be a Cog in the Machine God's creation is to work.
>>5313583>>Speak to them about their Legion’s Tactics, maybe he will show pride there
>>5313583>Speak to them about their Legion’s Tactics, maybe he will show pride there
>>5313595Switching to>Speak to them about their Legion’s Tactics, maybe he will show pride there>Talos reflects upon what the word "Father" , how the relationship of his Astartes paralells to that of C4R and the Emperor>Considers ways to use said pride to also influence them towards true beliefElaboration:#1 In many ways, our Astartes reflect many virtues of the Cult even better than our Lucian born. They have superb emotional control, allowing for logical thinking, even without the need for emotional vaults. They are cold, tactical, perhaps even calculating, with a devotion to duty, like unto the machine. That is virtuous and pious in the digital eyes of the Machine God. We can be proud of them for this#2 But yet all of that is without faith. It is written: "Though I speak with the tongues of binaric and code, but have not faith, I am become as loop recording, or a blaring klaxon. And though I have the gift of prediction, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all strength, so that I could remove mountains, and have not faith, I am nothing." They represent many of the ideals of a good techpriest, but lack the key element of faith#3 Faith cannot be bought or forced, it must be earned. Just as to be "Father" cannot be forced, lest it be an empty word. It must be earned.#4 The Emperor is our Creator, and we are his Genespawn, and we honor him as such as our astartes honor us. But C4R is our father, as he took care to devote to our desires, our aspirations, our person, and so we love him as father#5 If we wish for our sons to love us as Father, and truly mean the word, we must understand what they are proud of, what their dreams and aspirations are, and support them. Not just as Primarch. Not just as Commander or Leader. But truly as Father. Just as the Emperor could to us, if he so wished, yet has not. These men were born with fathers who raised them once, for us to be a Father to them we must be as the same#6 If we can reach them, we can also have a better chance to convince them to believe and have true faith. If we know what it is they are proud of, we can train our Acillians in their ways and methods, but also display to them how with faith even our Acillians can succeed and even surpass them through the blessings of our God and Machine SpiritsThey are proud of their ability to fight? Perhaps our Acillians can, either in duels or perhaps in the upcoming war, through the blessings of Machine Spirits surpass them (their armor moves swifter and hits harder, their battle cogitators think faster, their shields last longer and their power swords strike harder)As UZ1 once showed our son ED1SON through the use of true belief and ritual when they made the prosthetics, how the machine spirit responded to her and made her succeed. He was able to be bested by a mortal of all things, and UZ1 taught him the importance of ritual and faith. If we wish to truly convert our sons, they should learn the same
>>5313716*Correction that was T3SLA that UZ1 beat in the prosthetic contest, not ED1S0N
>>5313583>>You know, based on where they are from, maybe they would like to just go out and work.Give it time, emotions and feelings are something that takes us years to take in and even then it's hard to understand ourselves. They need experiences. To experience.Give it time, allow them reflection
>>5313716>+1 SupportI like that it ties in the lesson UZ1 gave to Tesla on the importance of ritual. It also shows Talos' intelligence isn't just limited to empirical but also emotional (he's a techpriest who is liberal with his emotions instead of vaulting them always, but also knows how to put them aside). He would know why he sees C4R as a father and not the Emperor, and use that approach to his sons.
>>5313716>support
>>5313716>Support
>>5313716I'll support it.
Litany for the day:We seek to follow the path you layWe seek to know the secrets you have shownWe seek to understand the meaning that you have givenWe seek to comprehend the great mysteries that lie before us nowWe beseech you, not to give us strengthWe beseech you, not to lighten our burdensWe beseech you, not to make our journey easyWe ask of you, to give us obstaclesWe ask of you, to make the path long and hardWe ask of you, to make the end of our journey far awaySo that we may knowSo that we may understandSo that we may comprehendWe pray to you, Deus MechanicusWe pray to follow the Path of Steel and Reason- Path of Mind and Spirit
>>5313716I gotta be honest man I don't fully get your logic and honestly its really hard if you even want it to happen. Also, do you really wanna risk fostering competition between the Acillians and the Astartes as that is exactly what making the Acillians show them up would do.
>>5313975More along the lines that I want to engineer situations where the Astartes start to see the benefits of faith and gain legitimate reasons to believe.Like in the Plague Trilogy, where even the Primaris Marines and Roboute were shocked by the power displayed by Mathieu and his followers, who were able to survive all the way to help them destroy Nurgle's Cauldron. Roboute thought the saints were just unknown psykers at first, but then after Mathieu brought an entire War Train of fanatical followers to the very Cauldron of Nurlge and defeated Kug'ath, and Mathieu became a saint himself, he starts to question his own beliefs and picks up the book of Lorgar for the first time.Maybe not in duels but perhaps in the upcoming war, if the Acillians can show that through faith they gain the blessings of our God and Machine Spirits to excell even where the Astartes should normally be better at. Just like UZ1 showed through her faith she was able to push her prosthetic to work better than TESLA's. Because the Machine Spirit responded to her.And there's machine spirits in everything. From armor, to blades, to even the black carapace on a soldiers body.Does that make sense?Lorgar was able to genuinely convince at least some of his terran sons to believe, I was thinking on ways Talos would do the same.If this still doesn't make sense lemme know or if there's questions for any other parts of that.
>>5313975Also, I just fucking remembered by this personality shift started 10 years ago, not five. Those who caught it were correct to catch the discrepancy but I forgot why that was such a big point since my notes were deleted. I remember now. For those who want to think early, what big event at TalOS's age of 5 would change someone's personality in canon.
>>5313981I think whatever you were thinking will not come from their half-brothers but instead the witnessing of Particep Semper Walking. That is more what you are telling me here.
>>5313984Probably Particep Semper.
>>5313987Ding
>>5313986Oh. Well by all means if the display of the Imperator Titan alone is enough to make them beileve then that's better and you can forget writing about the rest.I just would have thought they'd have been exposed to that sort of thing already as part of the Emperor's Great Crusade.Mostly, I just wanted to try to determine ways Talos could genuinely be their father and connect with them. Because he can see the difference between C4R and the Emperor. What makes a Father vs what makes a Gene-sire. C4R has no blood with us, we are not his creation nor his spawn. But we are his son, because he loved us. That's the sort of thing Talos could do to reach out to really connect with his sons: care and attention. What do they want, what do they believe in, and how can help them just as much as they serve to help him.
>>5313987Also damn that was fast. I guess there were only two events to guess but I'm surprised someone realized that once I point it out.
>>5313993To me every Primarch can be known by how much their sons truly believe their Primarch to be Father.Every space marine would die for his liege, but its the ones that do it out of love. Guilliman who made his sons believe they were truly fighting for something great by making Ultramar a better place, Magnus and Lorgar who gave his sons enlightenment and purpose and knowledge, the Blood Angels whose father guarded them against the curse and encouraged them to excell in matters outside of war, even Fulgrim who saw pride in his sons and pushed them to perfection.Vs Perturabo whose eternal disposition was dissapointment and irritationor Curze and Angron, who flat out hated their sons and they hated him backor Alpharius, whom nobody cared about when he died, because everyone was AlphariusTalos would definitely want to be in the first party and not the latter>>5313984Can you elaborate on this personality shift referred to precisely? I wager its related to something from the earliest of threads. But I don't recall how Talos personality has shifted exactly, what it was before and what it became after. He's always acted like Talos to me.
>>5313996There weren't many, but I think it would always win in relevancy unless another big one happened, since it was the moment that TaLOS first interacted with a machine spirit that answered back, stopped having nightmares about the warp and became driven to be both a princep and a tech-priest.
>>5313998You're comparing how a Primarch would handle an Imperator's Presence, but it should really be the other way around in comparing humans. Symptoms of becoming a Princep include but are not limited to: >Massive personality shift based on the Chassis you pilot. Such as when a Warhound Titan pilot will become more lone-wolf while Warlords will act like royalty. >A tendency to feel unnatural amounts of satisfaction from massive acts of devastation
>>5314001And for an Imperator Titan:>"How like a God He is, that ancient Machine, primal of all His Kind, the Imperator! His mighty Fists, massive like two Towers of Destruction, laden with Doom of Mankind's bitter Foes. He watches over us now as Battle joins, and in his Shadow we shall advance upon our Enemies and defeat them."I think we fit the bill quite well:>Wants to be the biggest, the biggest of them all bigger than all the rest>Oodles upon oodles of armaments, systems, shields and then some>Prefers to command and bombard from afar, allowing the Warlords and Warhounds to surround and protect him as Wardens of Steel and our Auxilia>Glorious massive destructionAnyway>>5313716ADDENDUM>QM to adjust as to what fits logically as needed>Just wanted Talos to connect with his sons by knowing them and understanding them>Faith can come when it comes, perhaps when they all see the glorious display of the Particeps Semper
>>5313583>Have them go out and work>Show them partis septer, perhaps have him walk
>>5313975>>5313986I'm able to understand what SoN was going for. Its acts of faith and miracles. If the astartes see how their brothers faith made them strong, they would be inclined to believe. This would be better seen during the war against a powerful enemy, like the Orks. Where astartes die or their weapons and armor succumb to damage, the acillians are able to press on by the aid of their machine spirits and miracles of the machine god. Weapons that keep firing when they should have run dry, or shields that should have failed continue to hold. Maybe Talos isnt trying to create miracles but mentally puts his trust in his God to show them his power.>>5313986Seeing the Particeps Semper walking to make them believe is fine too. Maybe the Great Crusade doesnt yet have such God Machines like we do and it makes even their cold emotions stir.
>>5313583I will>Support>>5313716
>>5313993>Oh. Well by all means if the display of the Imperator Titan alone is enough to make them beileve then that's better and you can forget writing about the rest.>I just would have thought they'd have been exposed to that sort of thing already as part of the Emperor's Great CrusadeKeep in mind Lucian Titans can teleport, while others cannot. The sight of a skyscraper sized walking fortress-temple popping out of the Immaterium on command would have a resounding effect on even hardened troops such as our Astartes
>>5314461Calling them skyscrapers is underselling it.I think of them more as moving mountains.I do suppose that, possibly either because our Terrans are still getting out of the whole Technobarbarian phase and comprehending modern technology, the blinding flash of an Imperator appearing out of thin air could make them believe it the work of a God.
Germans like to work>>5313590>>5313591>>5313719>>5314007Honestly, this is not gonna work how ya want it too. >>5313716>>5313742>>5313809>>5313852>>5314199>>5313601>>5313614I was kinda hoping we would have a dumb series of german jokes, instead I gotta figure this out. Well, time to learn because we always wanna learn.
>>5314480>dumb series of german jokesWe ask them about their tactics so they hand us pic related...
>>5314480Wait, it would lead to dumb jokes? Is ot too late for me to switch to it?
>>5314489Wait, my ID changed>>5313614I'm this anon.But nevermind, my lone vote change wouldn't be enough.
>>5314480From what I understand I think I'mma just got with the original post idea of you fellows spending time just learning about your sons. I understand you guys are seeking them to 'realize' how much better the Acillians are than them and while that can still happen it will be further down the line its not now. Likely we can let the revelation happen and then decide what happens from there which was kinda the point of this post. >>5314489I don't think enough people would change to basically make the 'Germans relax by working' and such jokes happen. It will only happen later as we will have plenty more time with the Sons of TalOS.
>>5314493Shoulda added pic related.
>>5314493In seriousness, asking their officers and long-serving NCOs to tell us about their tactics and campaign history during the late Terran Reuinification and early Crusade periods would be a great way to start getting to know them both as individual soldiers and as a unit
>>5314480Damn, now I regret forgetting about the Germanic influence thing. There was plenty of potential with that. I hope it's not too late to include it in other actions!I'm sure you would have gotten those German jokes at least from me had you been a bit more on the nose and reminded us about it.I can already imagine perhaps our sons have their own war songs:>A song of the one time our sons Clan were able to repel the Imperials back, before the Emperor bore down on them and crushed them utterlyhttps://youtu.be/_-z2Nmu4okI>A saga-song about a Techno-Huntsman and his dillema to use Dark Age Djinn bullets to cheat a contest of marriage for the chieftans daughterhttps://youtu.be/pfrwOg0hqG4>Typical march musichttps://youtu.be/FPjUxkB4APwGive us more opportunities for votes like this QM. Also please don't punish us for just wanting to reflect on ways we can get our sons to believe.It's glad to know our sons will LOVE parades!On this topic, exactly what sort of German-esque are we aiming for here? There's so many options.Their technobarbarian heritage could have some old nordic/germanic influence.There's some HRE/Empire of Man vibes we could do.Prussian, WW1 (gotta try not to overlap too much with Krieg)And well, of course, the 3rd ReichAnd the modern German Federation I guessWhich Germans we aiming for here
>>5314499Yeah, there is nothing wrong with it actually. Just feels too... formal still.
>>5314502Do it over corpse-starch and wolf-beer in the mess hall then. Soldiers love a good BS session at the canteen.
>>5314493>>5314497Oh good, we still have the chance for it in the future.Has a rogue trader scammed the second legion by using an absurd amount of train simulator DLC?
>>5314502Honestly, that would just help make them feel right at home.
>>5314493That's fine be me OP.Truth be told, the Acillians are NOT better than the Astartes. Not as they are now. For all intents and purposes, the Astartes should suceed in all cases.It was just that their faith, and the blessings of the Machine Spirits, which aid them overcome. At least, I hope that's how it works like the same way UZ1 was able to best Tesla.Honestly though now that you've outright stated we can go for a Germanic esque legion that opens up a TON of awesome fluff and aesthetic options. Please go full ham on fluffing up our guys. I was a bit leery at first why we would offer them Mjorn or make drinking a part of our shtick when Cult Mechanicus are supposed to avoid the luxuries of the flesh. But the fact that they're Germanic? Well, we did engage in a drinking contest with Russ. Our sons can definitely aspire to continue to challenge the Space Wolves at any opportunity!
>>5314501Please forgive me for the watermark, couldn't find a good one.
>>5314509I mean, the german fluff was the point of this post. Some of you almost went with my joke without realizing the joke.
>>5314511Actually, you almost did until you went 'EURIKA!' and had your write in.
>>5314507... you're right...
>>5314511We should definitely issue them Mk.3 helmets with a stahlhelm style spike before we meet Morty and the Deathguard.
This also has implications if we want to adjust the culture of our Federation. The idea of the ancient Federation being analogous to the EU and the modern Lucius being more like Germany trying to restore it to glory.Btw if we ever get to the part where we try to plan out our sectors:Civilized and well designed hive worlds could be designated: "Rhinewelts"Industrial Forgeworlds, Factory-Agri Worlds, Mining worlds would be designated as: "Rhurhwelts"Fortress Worlds, Military Worlds, and Dockyard Planets would be: "Festungwelts">>5314511Forgive me QM, I have yet to install my subtext analysis module and it flew over my head. I would have leaned heavily into the German stuff if i had even seen the word once.
>>5314518Hey man, I made it obscure on purpose so I can start making jokes. On me for that.
>>5314518The worst part is that the "based where they are from" is part of the vote.How in the warp did we all miss it?
>>5314518Pleasure Planets would thus be named "Festwelten" and Feudal Worlds would be "Polenwelten".
>>5314522I mean you all missed the german beer joke too.
>>5314520If that's how you wanna go about it, by all means QM. I think you clearly had something cool in mind QM and if it looks like players are missing the point I say there's nothing wrong with giving overt hints. We're all in this for a fun story, not riddles or guesses to the fun story. I'm sure if you said "The 2nd Legion's culture is Germanic in influence, bear that in mind" we would have rolled with it and I don't think anyone would complain about 'spoilers'.
>>5314524Wait what?>TalOS does have some Proxy Mjorn that he was experimenting with.>Proxy Mjorn>Maybe drinking is their game.Ok, now this is just embarassing.
>>5314526Obviously people want it now that I meantion it, so I'm starting to make them. I should really focus on writing damn it!
>>5314516
I now have even more reason why I believe we should later, however possible, get Scintilia into the Federation. Because we need to mold them into Prussian MusketeersAlso we need to get our hands on Krieg for obvious reasons.
>>5314529Thanks QM. If you think something is cool, badass or awesome, we're going to think the same and roll with it. Just drop us a bone now and again.
>>5314533Krieg before they rebelled and nuked themselves would make for a good legion recruiting world.It's a shame it's so far away from the federation.
>>5314532For general armor/aesthetic both of Acillians and our Auxilia, how do you guys feel about drawing inspiration heavily from the Helghast?They are German inspired (the exact Reich being obvious) but they have many good parallels.Their planet is a Forge world, their culture based on that of an Industrial Mining company.Their helmets could easily molded to fit on our Astartes/Acillians.They have plenty of fantastic designs for mortal auxilia uniforms.They even have specialized gas troopers we can draw inspiration from.Their work hard, war effort, military-industrial society matches well with our Federation I feel.
>>5314537Fuck yeah Helghast>Talos giving motivational speeches over Noosphere and Vox to auxilia and space marineshttps://youtu.be/FoTwxckzErI
>>5314537I still like the Mk.3 Iron Armour for our Astartes, as it's thematically fitting and already canon. A slightly chunkier and more cogfoppish version of the Helghast stuff would be ok for Acillians as they wouldn't be wearing any of the standard Imperial patterns of power armour at this point.
>>5314537Bauhaus from Warzone are also a good reference point.
>>5314540Talos could blare these speeches straight out of the Particeps Semper, alongside the sermons. I bet even Lorgar would have a hard time matching that.As for thematics I was thinking:>Generalized 2nd Legion/Forge World Skitarii Regiments:>Themed after a mix of WW1/WW2 german vibes. Krieg/Helghast in appearance, with Stahlhelm-esque helmets. Essentially they are still Skitarii and Space Marines, with origins in the forge worlds, and fit well with the heavily augmented vibe.>Very heavy industrial themes>"Noble Regiments"/Knight World Auxilia:>Troops who aren't knights but from the upper crust of society, from civilized or hive worlds. Themed after Prussian Soldiers/Scintillia Fusiliers. Because they tend to be rich and support by family, they often buy custom specialized gear from the Admech>Feudal Worlds/Feral World regiments>H.R.E. / Empire of Man thematics. Sci-Fi landsknechts>>5314542They will still use canon armor I feel. It would mostly be embellishments and decour. Like Roboute when he sticks Roman Plumes on the helmets of his lads and golden decour.
>>5314545That's a good one.Pic related, a Federation Commissar.
>>5314537
Federation Fuedal World auxilia
>>5314547>They will still use canon armor I feel. It would mostly be embellishments and decour. Like Roboute when he sticks Roman Plumes on the helmets of his lads and golden decour.If that's the case I'm on board, or rather, an bord.
>>5314555Based landsknecht enjoyer.
>>Canon ArmorIt might have started as standard STC armor, but give a Son of Talos enough time and veterancy requisition allowance and he will tweak it into a custom artificer "Wunderrüstung"Our oldest and highest ranking space marines will probably approach terminator levels of protection and utility
>>5314560Ja genau, but the standard marks of armour still ought to be the starting point for modifications, even if they've been hotrodded extensively.
>>5314560The more they kill and survive, the more tech and metal they get to ask for, the bigger they get with bigger guns. You call denote rank by size, with Talos being the biggest of them all. . . Why do I feel this is something we're going to catch on after our big Ork War.>"Hans, are we the Greenies?"
>>5314518>modern Lucius being more like Germany trying to restore it to glory.Not again...
>>5314569>>"Hans, are we the Greenies?"No Fritz, we ate the Greenies. If you'll remember you had the most violent kopfschmerzen for 3 cycles afterwards and kept "Waaagh-ing" at the Hauptmann?Alles klar, danke Hans for reminding me. Anyway, about twin-linking this Volkite Carronade...
>>5314569All dem zoggin' 'umies is mad. Can't tell oo's in charge wot wiff their 'captain' dis and 'general' dat. Deyz all da same zoggin size! Not like proppa Orks. We knows oo's in charge.Cept' dem Klankerboyz dey gotz. Dey'z knows wots wot. Dey might be meks, but deyz get bigger n' meaner if ya don't kill em! You'z get zapped by one o' dem, won't be nuffin' left behind!
If it was a relationship with the Imperial Fists that gave his sons some form of enjoyment then that was what TalOS wanted to know. Taking his analysis of Matthais into account TalOS could easily tell the Fists were all about their work, and thus Vadar and the Second Legion would be about it too because surely they talk extensively about such work. “Vadar, as I have a moment now to talk to you, I wanted to learn about what my sons will be providing to the greater Crusade.” TalOS began with a soothing mechanical song that was honey in the ears of those who heard it, “Would you mind educating me on your current doctrines?” “I can give those to you father. How would you like them issued?” He asked with a sternness about his face that betrayed no emotion. “I would prefer that you tell them to me, but what other methods do you have available?” “We have developed tomes of text, psycho indoctrination, and blood vials for those who are able to learn from them. If you wish to employ any of these to save time I shall send for any.” “I do not need any of those Vadar.” TalOS told the Astartes with a small laugh in his heart, “It is easy enough for you to tell directly. I am currently on my break period and wish to spend that with you all.” The Astartes gave a nod to TalOS as he turned himself completely to his direction, “Our focus is upon heavy weapons and their numerous uses in war. While the Master of Mankind has declared that all Astartes are to migrate their weapons from Volkite to Bolters; we have found such a change debilitating. However as the decree is a decree we have adjusted to not lose all capabilities previously afforded to us by these weapons.” “So that would include things such as Lascannons and flamers?” “The use of Flamers is only for emergencies when the enemy gets too close.” The Astartes declared with what is a swiftness that hinted something within it, “I have within our possession a machine known as MLT4 that is becoming prefered.” TalOS only needed a moment to learn all he needed from the archives of the Mechanicum, “That is an STC that was discovered by Skitarii regiment MLT4 two years ago. It is currently in trials to be sanctified by Mars for mass production. A close range anti-material beam weapon. Interesting. What have you witnessed from the Machine?”“It is a better version of the flamer Father.” The Astartes answered quickly with a firmness of someone who had personally witnessed the weapon, “What it lacks in range capabilities are made up for in destruction. It is capable of turning several Orks into air with a single pull of the trigger.” TalOS could not help but feel something within those words, “I would agree. To have such a weapon in the palm of one’s hands would be exhilarating.”
“Based on my words you have already realized the matter of our employment. These weapons, which do not leave a piece of the enemy remaining are prefered.” The Astartes began to lay the basis of their tactics in full view, “However because such weapons are used we cannot employ the same measures of mobility as our brothers. Thus we have adjusted 1st Legion Fire Guard Doctrine to our weapons and their use.” “An understandable adjustment. Even ones as strong as yourselves cannot move around with such large pieces of equipment easily.” TalOS pointed out with the understanding of a field marshall. “As such we have prefered the enemy come towards us. As the Imperial Fists need heavy weapons operators for their fortresses I found our Doctrines more compatible than others.” “I see, as you destroy the enemy whose weapons would harm the Fortress the Imperial Fists will slaughter all the others.” “Indeed, but we have no issue turning our attention to those on the lower walls or clearing the Corpses. Upon my command my brothers will point their weapons down in such a way that it prevents structural damage. Upon my next declaration all that would do us harm no longer exists.” TalOS studied his son as he spoke those words. He watched as his son’s eyes seemed to unfocus themselves into a memory that was being played before him. Such an emotion he was likely feeling must have only intensified as the Astartes had perfect recollection similar to TalOS himself. There was a small moment where TalOS realized something was there. Something he needed to know, “How do you feel when you personally operate with such weapons?” “My apologies Father, but how does that relate to doctrine?” “Like I said I am here on a break; so I am not pressed for time. If you do not wish to give me such information I shall leave you to it.” The Astartes seemed stunned for a moment as he tried to figure out what was given to him. His face, for a moment, looked to begin contorting and moving itself from one side to another. It was when TalOS made a motion with his hand that the man finally spoke, “It is satisfying Father. To know that within your hands is a weapon that can erase the very earth itself is a feeling we cannot compare with other Legions. Only the seventh understand such sentiments and allow us such indulgence.” TalOS knew it was not only the Seventh that would agree with him, but every single Princep that dared operate a God Machine. That with the power of the Machine God one can lay down an entire continent was a feeling TalOS knew his brothers Horus and Leman never once felt.
“My apologies if that was forced out of you, however you are my son. You are among like minded people Legion Master Vadar.” TalOS told his son with a moment of sincerity. “Indeed, Father!” Declared AL4N as he showed off the Volkite that was before them, “The power of the Machine God is immense and is projected through each weapon we wield. Through his grace we send shards of energy at our enemy and watch them incinerate.” Vadar looked upon his brothers and TalOS with a moment’s surprise, or atleast what TalOS passed as surprise upon a face that held a permanent scow like a machine. It was gone though as he gave a nod, “Shall we return to the matters at hand.” “Indeed.” TalOS admitted while learning something of value already. “When we are to march out, whether from the Fortresses or among another Legion, we will take the endeavor to plan out our attack and mediate it. Wherever we march there will be destruction, thus it is best that we clear out both Mortal Auxilia and potentially hazardous Astartes as well.” “And how can our cousins be an issue?” Asked AL4N as he finally got a foothold into the conversation. “They get in the way.” Declared the Legion Master with an irk of annoyance, “It is the reason a great many of our Auxilia do not all carry their allotted ordinance into battle, they never have a chance to fire them so adjustments are made.” “Hence the flamers?” “A necessary evil so we have action and mobility upon the battlefield. There is glory in war but our Cousins think that it can only be earned by running head first into the fight as a horde of Orks.” TalOS could only help but feel a tinge of annoyance too from that. He imagined, just for a moment, that he had to hold off on firing Particep Semper because someone decided it was the better idea to charge headfirst into the enemy. He might just fire. TalOS shook his head as he realized that was Particep Semper thinking in its dormant sleep within his mind. >Best enjoy the rest of the night with a drink, Ja? >Try and prophelitize them with the firepower of the Mechanicum. >Hammer out the Legion’s integration *Essentially, do we keep them Astartes or not, and whether you wanna keep Vadar as Legion Master.
If we choose the "Hammer out the Legion integration" do we have time to upgrade this this time around? Or would it just be purely doctrinal.As in time to research exactly the most optimal implants and augments and all that?I wannaTechmarines, verdammt
>>5314600Not research, but integrate. If you wanna make them more like Acillians or possibly merge the two that would be the choice.
>>5314602Then now is our chance, before the war. It is the 2nd legions destiny.>Hammer out the Legion’s integration *Essentially, do we keep them Astartes or not, and whether you wanna keep Vadar as Legion Master.Let us know if you want us to throw in anything else, but I imagine if this vote goes through you'll just make options. Proselytizing through firepower can come in battle, and an even bigger drink will be owed later after victory. For now, we prepare for war.
>>5314596>Best enjoy the rest of the night with a drink, Ja?
>>5314596>>Best enjoy the rest of the night with a drink, Ja?I want to delay the integration until after the campaign so we can get a better operational idea of each half's strong and weak points in terms of doctrine, wargear, and overall performance. That way we end up with a gestalt that takes the best of each predecessor force.
>>5314596>Hammer out the Legion’s integration *Essentially, do we keep them Astartes or not, and whether you wanna keep Vadar as Legion Master.We're long overdue this, and we need absolute unity going into war
>>5314602hey, how many Marines does the 2nd legion have right now.
>>5314608That's a fair point. Perhaps the Ork War could be seen as a sort of prototyping or data gathering phase.
>>531461015,000. Being the second they were pretty high on the recruiting charts with those of the 7th.
>>5314613and how many Acillians? if I recall correctly between 2-3 thousand
>>5314611Please change vote then, we can eat the greenies either way and this lets us make a more informed choice on the methods of integrating our sons' units.
>>5314605I'll switch to >Best enjoy the rest of the night with a drink, Ja?
>>5314615we are looking at 4 thousand now. With the tools from the Imperium and an entire Empire their growth is growing pretty well for a non-optimized Geneseed. For those wondering, Gene-Cults of Luna.
>>53145964L4N be like for the glory of the Machine God of course
>>5314596>Best enjoy the rest of the night with a drink, Ja?Vadar wearing a lederhosen when?
>>5314596>>Try and prophelitize them with the firepower of the Mechanicum.
>>5314625
>>5314596>Hammer out the Legion’s integration *Essentially, do we keep them Astartes or not, and whether you wanna keep Vadar as Legion Master.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLJ8PhZlso8wtf is this how a meltagun kills? I thought it was just a HUGE red beam
>>5314642No, the game's horseshit. Meltas don't work against multiple targets like that in tabletop at all. Basically a short ranged single shot weapon that behaves much like a sawed-off lascannon, with slightly less overall strength and better armour penetration up close
>>5314655mmm... melmtas
>>5314636Kek
>>5314655Tbh I know that, but its cool too.
>>5314655Sawn off lascannon... What I am seeing is that meltas are carried by troops and BEEG las go in vehicles. But the lascannon can be wielded by elite squads
>>5314679Lascannons are traditionally given to Devastator squads and Tactical Squads expected to defend fixed positions, as well as being a common vehicle weapon, often in twin-linked or (rarely) even quad mounts.
>>5314596>Best enjoy the rest of the night with a drink, Ja?>scream Freibier für alle and watch the riot
>>5314673I agree. Rule of Cool.>>5314655>Short RangedOne of the things I want our Legion to use is Beamer Meltas.Imagine Melta Guns but with the same range as bolters, and add in some Helfrost Crystals for increased rate of fire without overheating.As for having to recalibrate the radiation beam, that's what advanced servo skulls are for.>>5314679>>5314683What I like in the game is that the Lascannon size isn't so big it has to be shoulder mounted, but can be fired from the shoulder like a rifle or even hip fired.In any case, energy weapons are the best. One day I'd like to see us get a fun turn where we can all contribute different weapon idea types and research.
Something else I see our Acillians and Skitarii doing is the use of their extra arms to easily manipulate and stabilize heavy weapons that normally require two arms.General Castor for example, has a special bionic arm that lets him easily manipulate his sniper rifle with pinpoint accuracy from one hand, connecting its optic to his mind.Perhaps our Mortal Auxilia can dispense with lasguns and use hellguns exclusively. At least until we can get them something even better.https://youtu.be/SfRMbq4-c3gThat's not even including the shoulder mounted weapons with or without automated servo-skull targeting.
>>5315184Extra arms does not help stabilize such things. If anything they need an extra leg.
>>5315185We can get them extra legs or stronger legs too. That's what Mechadendrites are for!Suppose we could also give them some grav-lock boots or backpack-inertial gyroscopes like solar auxilia. Or put recoil dampeners and gyros in the guns themselves. SCIENCE
It's quite common for most mechanicus to have 2+ legs anyway. I wonder if Talos would ever consider more than 2 legs, or simply using grav-lock boots or internal gryo-levitators to walk up walls and upside down ceilings ala the Necrons.
Our troops could look like this if we are so lucky to find and conquer the Olamic Quietude before the Space Wolves go in and wreck everything.
>>5315211Fuck yes. The Queitude is probably as close as humanity is gonna get to Necrons without actually going through Biotransferrence. We shouldn't let such technology be wasted, even if its current holders are a bunch of self-righteous assholes.
>>5315185I can imagine when it comes to augmention it starts off as another arm, then a leg, then some eyes, before long they're trying to determine where to find room for the new plasma battery
>>5315175>What I like in the game is that the Lascannon size isn't so big it has to be shoulder mounted, but can be fired from the shoulder like a rifle or even hip fired.Tabletop has those too.
>>5315472That's lovely.There's something just inherently beautiful about upscaled laser weapons. Showing solidarity with our guardsmen and skitarii.If we make our troops taller, just think what sort of weapons they could wield less like giant cannons and more like proper assault rifles.I'd like to wager unlike most other legions, the 2nd actually looks forward to becoming dreadnoughts. Where as other legions keep them asleep for long periods of time between battle, ours are wide awake and can conduct affairs like research by using mechadendrites for fine motor manipulation.
>>5314954>support
Enjoy some drinks!!!>>5314606>>5314625>>5314608>>5314638>>5315531Time to hammer out>>5314609>>5314638>>5314605Propheletize them>>5314627
>>5315880Sir you counted me twice. I demand a proper recount.
The thought occurs to me we came very close to Russ, perhaps closer than most, given our legions propensity for drink of our own.We may wish to further that skill, as it could potentially come in handy when we finally encounter. . .the squats
>>5315880wh- only me!?!?how come no one else wants to shoot shit up!? We are the Steel Dragons damn it!! Not the jolly bavarian fatsos
>>5315887>*de-canonizes the squats*
>>5315890Because they are all good options we want to do, but QM only has enough time to write one :C
>>5315880>>5315884Yup, you're correct. Does not change the outcome but its understandable. Enjoy some drinks!!!>>5314606>>5314625>>5314608>>5315531Time to hammer out>>5314609>>5314638>>5314605Propheletize them>>5314627
>>5315892I wonder if we are gonna use OldSquats or NewSquats
>>5315906I think the new lore makes it obvious that they were mixed. Just the Leagues that had AIs were able to survive against the Tyranids likely because the AIs just killed off the Squats and waited for the meat eating parasites to leave.
>>5315907The dangers of not having enough control over your machine spirits.Unless that's what the Squats ordered. . .
>>5315936My personal theory is that the Leagues who were in league with the Votann (lol) had hidden themselves among the Squats and used them as a meat shield. The Squats, who unknownly were working with civs that used Mechanical AI, joined together to fight against the Imperium during the Great Crusade and throughout the 30k epoch. Somewhere along that time period, the AI became so delusional that they accidently became the 'Gods' of the Kin by sheer accident. Thus there was no longer just AI and their creations, but the AI literally thinking they were Squats somehow.
>>5315940I just realized I have absolutely no idea on the lore of either Old Squats or the new League, and will take it upon myself to look it up. I can tell you've done your research on the new stuff
>>5315947This is just my personal theory. As I understand it GW made it clear that the Votann and the Squats were two separate entities to an extent. I also kinda like it since it makes the Votann that right blend of Grimdark for the setting.
“Well then I have learned quite a lot from that.” TalOS declared as he looked towards the far end of the room, “AL4N, I know you have not taken in Mjorn but what about you Vadar?” The Astartes looked confused for a moment, “I have not. My brothers who were with the Wolfen Venrika have not taken part in their drink.” “I take it they suffered from their barbarity problem?” The Astartes gave a solemn nod to those words to which TalOS could only chuckle. Indeed while TalOS and Russ were fine together it did not mean TalOS was going to work well with him during battle. “But what about before your time as an Astartes?” “I do not remember. Astartes Ascension Processing is built to wipe whatever was in the man before he became one of the Emperor’s Legionnaires.” Was the firm declaration that the Astartes gave to his Primarch. It was simple, and while it made sense to TalOS it was also saddening. “I do wonder how surefire that part of the process was.” TalOS told his son as a Servitor came into the room with a large barrel, “During my time with the Space Wolves I drank with my brother Mjorn. This is my personal Mjorn mix created from both samples and my own processes. It does not yet match the potency of my brother’s batch but I don’t think it needs to.” Upon those words the Servitor placed the barrel in front of TalOS. With a movement under his cloak a massive metal arm came out and clipped the metal band that was holding the barrel together with a simple twist of its fingers. As that hand did that another hand had grabbed the wooden top that TalOS had installed to move it to the side. TalOS then took from the Servitor three metal mugs, each of them showing a prominent cog upon them. The Primarch took a moment to examine the item that he had commissioned sometime ago. While simple the engraving was nonetheless recognizable to be made by the hands of a Master Artisan of the Machine Cult. “This drink is somewhat of a test that I wanted us to partake in. I have found that the amounts of alcohol are high enough to bring death upon a mortal man. That however is expected as the Mjorn will do the same. Instead I am testing if it induces nearly as great a drunkenness and has actual taste.” With those words TalOS dunked one of the mugs into the drink and lifted it. Such a simple act allowed the bubbling substance to drain off the side of the mug in a calm light of the nearby Psi-Candle. With firmness TalOS placed the drink in front of Vadar. “I’ll give you the first drink.” The Primarch announced as he leaned back into his chair.
The Astartes looked at the drink for a moment then back at TalOS, “Thank you Father.” “Do not thank me yet. You need to see if it is good first.” The Primarch told his son with a small chuckle in his voice. The Astartes looked at the drink with a moment’s hesitation. Something that TalOS could easily see related to how children acted when they were first transferred to Corpse Starch for their nutritional value. The man was a soldier though and soon that moment of waiting went away as he took a drink. TalOS watched as the Astarte's eyes widened with shock. While light like a string, he could feel the binding between him and his son vibrate with excitement. The feeling of another person, well, that was something that TalOS rarely ever felt since he partook in the Blackstone Amulet’s presence. He had only been processing their feelings analytically, but here he did not need to. Just as suddenly did he drink it that the Astartes put it down. Silence followed as the link between Primarch and Astartes waned in presence. But the face of his son was softened as he placed the drink upon the table. “I… seemed to have remembered this taste in my youth in the Jermany. I… it is odd that I can experience that.” “I had read in the records of Terra, during my short visit there, that your people were fond of such drinks. I take it that assessment was true.” “Correct, Father. What little water we could get was always dirty in some form. Thus it was standard to purify it using microbes to introduce alcohol. The amount of alcohol was small but it was enough to clean the taint.” The Astartes in a mix of both memory and what was learned after, “The Emperor granted us clean water but we found no reason to stop our drinks. It was what our people drank, for where the Franks had their Wine we had our Lard.” “Then I think a simple cheer is in order.” TalOS said as he presented AL4N his own mug to drink from, “For the safety of humanity, and may the Machine God bless us on that path.” The Astartes gave a solemn nod while moving his drink in motion along with AL4N, “For the safety of humanity, and may the Machine God bless us on that path.”With a clear clink of the mug all groups took drinks, but none of them gulped it down like a Space Wolf. Instead they took their fill and lowered the drinks so that discussion could continue.
“So what do you think of our training?” AL4N asked his brother as they were both halfway down their mugs, “I know you accepted it but do you find it worth your time?” “It was worth the lesson.” The Astarte first declared as he gave a solemn nod, “I find myself damned to ignorance for not knowing what I do know now about our own weapons.” “As for your enjoyment?” “It is clear that enjoyment in such things is not within my breeding.” Admitted Vadar as he took another drink, “Astartes are for the battlefield, while Father has built the Acillians to be those under the Mechanicum.” “That would be correct.” TalOS admitted as he hummed to himself about things, “I however do not see an issue in either at the moment. After the Reconquest there will be enough data to determine whether having both is viable.” The Astarte seemed to think to himself. He seemed to hesitate about what he was to ask before taking another drink of his mug, “What kind of changes could we expect?” “Likely a mass reconstruction of either side's bodies.” TalOS declared as he thought out loud, “Any other method would result in a waste of manpower. I will not do what my Creator decided for his previous creations. I take it you were there.” “I was. The Thunder Warriors exhibited gene instability that caused their minds to grow insane. It was evident from my limited experience with them that the Thunder Warriors would destroy their own Vessel before they arrived at a planet outside the solar system.” “One cannot expect their first iteration of recreating Dark Age technology to go well. It saddens me to their fate but…”“It needed to be done.” Answered Vadar as he gave a stern declaration, “Lord Malcador had tried other schemes but none of them could be done.” With that their drinks were over, but the night had yet to end. TalOS simply refilled the drink for his sons and they continued for a few more hours with other more uplifting subjects. While such calm times were needed, war had arrived. >The Strike Team of UZ1>Astartes in full formation>The Knight who walks once more.
>The Strike Team of UZ1She's going to be commanding Astartes as well correct?
>>5315967>>The Strike Team of UZ1"How deadly can we make non-Astartes?"That is the question.We could use her for Counter-Kommando operations.
>>5315971Possibly.I'd like to imagine Kill-Team UZ1 is an extreme elite of our most elite. Naught but THE best shields, armor, weapons technology known to the mechanicus. As deadly as a Dark Age cyborg hero can get.
>>5315951Hope we can save the little guys somehow. Rock and Stone.>>5315967>The Knight who walks once more.This is the navarus prince, right?
>>5315967>>The Knight who walks once more.BEEG GUNS AND EXPLOSIONSTHE GROUND QUAKING AT EVERY STEPTHRICE SANCTIFIED ION SHIELDS AND SOLAR BLESSED STEEL FROM LUCIUS
>>5315967>The Knight who walks once more.
>>5315967>The Strike Team of UZ1We'll see plenty of the Knights in battle, let's spend an UZ1 action.
>>5315967>The Strike Team of UZ1
>TalOS giving UZ1 "above average protection" as shown in pic related
>>5316014While I'm unsure he would give it to UZI, you better believe I want us to make our own Mechs.It's the missing link between ground infantry and scout knights, which obviously can't be filled by just dreadnoughts or cyberneticae. I would call them "Men at Arms" for they come from Noble Houses, yet fight to protect the Knights. Ground infantry would be therefore, the equivalent of serfs and miliita to them.We know that human piloted mechs are canon from the Lords of Gardinaal, and I'd be 100% sure in at least some part of the DAoT mankind had a thing for single pilot battlesuits type craft.
>>5316034*cough cough* Armiger *cough cough*
>>5316037Well fuck a duck, that's new to me QM. Guess the Imperium already did Tau style battlesuits after all.Wunderbar!
>>5316043Wrong image.
Comparing Armigers to Crisis battlesuits, it is somewhat larger so may not necessarily fit in spaceship hallways as easily as a Crisis, but it's got a lot of other perks. It's got more health, moves faster, and shoots better.Main drawback is its armament is limited, and the Tau Fusion blaster is straight up just better the meltagun. Also lack of jetpacks and of course a plethora of drone and shield supports.But all of these can be mitigated. Support drones substituted with advanced servo-skulls. And just cook up some jetpacks to strap on them if we wanted.The Tau don't exist yet and we will likely never encounter them short of some bizarre warp effect, but one of the things I wanted to see in this quest is Talos lay the groundwork to prove 10,000 years ahead of time that the Imperium of Man is superior to the Tau even at their own game. We can play the Battlesuit and Drone game just as them, and with Dark Age tech do it better than even they could have dreamed of.If the 2nd Legion survive to fight the blue xenos, they would just scoff and shake their heads as they deploy their own suits far in superior to theirs and of equal number and production, piloted by mortals.
>>5316076Just to tell ya there are two Armigers in plastic and others that are Forge World. The two main ones we should be concerned with is the Armiger Helverin (Range) and Warglaive (Range).
>>5316090mmm... finecast?Also, sons I think you are looking down on the Chimkem boys. Ironstrider Balistarii and Sydonian Dragoon. No clue why the names are so different if they are the same model
>>5316100Its weird. Forge World is essentially them giving you a finecast armor to put ontop of your Knight/Armiger's chassis.
>>5316100It's really just an unarmored Sentinel with fancy gubbins. Rather massed Leviathan and Contemptor dreads, or just more Kastillian bots.
>>5315967>>The Knight who walks once more.Let's see how he's getting on with his new motor. (Cue telephone pole suzed chainblade revving)
Check it out, our brother Perturabo had the same idea.>So theirs can fly? Big deal, I can make mine fly>They have hands? So what. I can give mine hands.
This is not a vote proposal. This is just me inspired by the recent Germanic revelation and wanting to write-fag a bit. I also believe that the Astartes option isn't likely to be picked at this rate, so I thought I'd at least give a chance for them to shine and maybe if what I right is good in the eyes of fellow anons and QM it might be something that happens.----Talos and Vadar walked away from the mess hall, the sun setting on the eve of the Ork War. Both of them paused, seeing large gathering far off. To a mortal, even a skitarii, it would be difficult to make out and so far as to be silent. But to an Astartes and Primarch, they could see clearly the Astartes gathering around a platform on an open field.“What are they doing?” Talos asked to Vadar.Even as Vadar made effort to seem without emotion, the Arch Dominus eye was able to see the faintest trace astonishment in the legion master’s bionic optics. “It is... a Jermanic War Ritual.”“Jeramnic?” inquired the Arch Dominus, “That is tribe my sons hail from Terra?”The Astartes nodded “Word spreads among my brothers. Where all others, even the Emperor, had shunned our ancient heritage, something to be buried and forgotten, yet you have praised our ancestors.” Talos thought of this. He had known his sons had once been called: ‘Technobarbarians’. The Arch Dominus was certain this was not the name they would have given themselves.The Legionmaster spoke up “There is reason we hide our passions, why we do not indulge in drink with Wolfen Venrika. It reminds us too much of what we have lost. Now, my brothers believe they may again remember the old ways.” Again, Vadar tried to speak without betraying emotion whatsoever, but beneath the words Talos could not ignore the faintest hint of loss. This thought was interrupted a soft thudding sound, barely a rhythmic whisper, that grew louder and louder, until the Arch Dominus recognized what it was: the beating of drums.
https://youtu.be/2wy-W-pYlds“Those chants. What do they mean?” asked Talos, listening to the way the astartes returned the loud martial verses on the platform with even louder refrains of their own.“None live now who can say for sure," said the Astartes "but it has been passed down generation to generation. It is a call upon ancient spirits of war to aid the Jeramni in battle.”The chanting began to grow, louder and louder, until they began to be true war cries. But beneath rage, the pride, the fury of those chants, Talos began to study the actual words, and came to a sudden realization. He understood some of it. He understood, because some of the words could be found in the prayerbooks of Techpriests. “I recognize some that. There are words of code, verbal syntax used by the ancients should they lack physical interface. Those ‘spirits’ they call upon, those names are like those of Machine Spirits; names of Data Djinn, Firewall Ifrits, Repair Wisps, Accuracy Fae.”At this, even Vadar seemed to be taken aback. “You describe the blessings the Jermani thought they would gain by invoking the old spirits. They believed it gave strength to their metal arms, made bullets hit their marks, shielded them from demons and angry spirits.”Talos looked closer at the writing on the astartes armor and banners. “Those runes too. Those are also of machine code.” Talos could sense an effect from them, and knew he had felt such a thing only twice before: the runes upon the blades of the Space Wolves, and the ancient symbols written in his holy books.
As the ritual rose in intensity, some of the ones on the platform moved in pantomime, raising their arms to the heavens as the shouts grew to a frenzy. There was not an Acillian or tech-priest among them, and yet the Arch Dominus was able to see Around them, the machines spirits responded. Vehicle Lumens turned on in self diagnostic checks, illuminating the war dance, servo-skulls moved to make repairs to armor, weapons, even vehicle engines seemed to rev in engine tests adding to the fury and passion of the war chant.It was then that Talos began to realize. For all the disdain the Martians had heaped upon these ancient tribes, calling them heathens or heretics. . .their prayers were true prayers to the Machine God. They lacked comprehension and understanding, but there was the basis of truth in them. “I was told once that these were worthless superstitions, baseless and without merit to them.” Said the Arch DominusWithout turning to face him, Vadar responded. “Is that what this is, Father?”Talos shook his head. “No.This is faith. It just lacks direction.”
>>5316435>>5316441>>5316444Of all the things you can do, please do not write what can easily be mistaken as an update. Some people are using machines that do not display usernames and doing this will cause many to think they've missed their chance at voting. Do not do it again. I appreciate the fanfic but don't do it again.
>>5316533Now that I think about it, didn't this happen before already?
It was a good effort and pretty neat but I read the first part and knew it wasnt you. I can see where not being confused for the QM is necessary. What devices dont show names? I'm on mobile and I can see who is who just fine.On work days I often miss the vote anyway cause I cant always tell when its gonna get called, I've seen them be called anywhere in an 6 hour time frame (some days as early as 5pm eastern, to as late as 11pm).
>>5316557Phone with the 'Read Chan' app. Best app I've had to read 4chan away from the computer with but the devs thought 'Since everyone is Anon, no one needs to ID themselves'.
>>5316533Sure thing QM. I'll not do it in post format at all again. I had no intention of making anyone think that was an update and not just some fanwriting.>>5316547I don't recall seeing any sort of war ritual from our astartes.
I'm using Read Chan. I usually look at the ID of the post even if there isn't a name attached to it. It will have (OP) next to it.
>>5316586Sound point on the OP thing. I've said my fear though and I still feel it has merit. I think from here onwards, if he just wants to post like a quick Good Doc or Paste Bin though that should be ok.
>>5316435I appreciate the efforts to writefag and flesh the Astartes, but given QM's response it's clear indication he has his own direction in mind for their Jermanyc origins. He will surely show it once we aren't compelled to pick something over the Astartes option.
Strike Force of UZ1>>5315973>>5315999>>5316005>>5316801>>5315971The Knight Walks Again>>5315990>>5315994>>5316232>>5316389>>5315985
>>5316994Um, we are even. Huh.
>>5315967>>The Strike Team of UZ1Your tie breaker
>>5315967>The Knight who walks once more.We need to be even
-_->>5316999>>5317005Well, someone else wanna break it?
>>5317010Could you make so we see the knights fighting from UZ1's PoV as a compromise?
>>5317016Honestly what I was thinking. I was gonna start writing here in about 15.
>>5317018Alright, locking it now with following UZ1 with a Cameo.
The ship shook with what could only be described as a beastial roar as they arrived into the system. Seconds after their arrival into this system the vessel they rode upon was shaking with a devilish vibration. None of these vibrations were munitions hitting the ship, but every time the Void Shields sent a bullet into the Warp the generators would erupt in their cries of power. The cruiser, Litany of Iron, shifted underneath their feet as it balked right to avoid the attack from an Orkish vessel. Those who rode it did not feel a thing, but that did not mean they were aware of it. None of them reacted to it though, staying in their shuttle awaiting the moment. It was trying for UZ1 however. The thoughts of a Machine Spirit’s failure being the fact that destroyed her at this moment. In the Noosphere she could detect a series of failures from the nearby ships with damage on all sides. Still even with these ships taking damage dozens more ships were arriving into the system with the fury of the Machine God. The Tech Priest took a breath and prayed. It was a simple thing to reach out to the Machine God and ask for Sanctuary. She was no fool though, knowing that it was trying its best to keep the rest of their fleet alive. Still, she was sure the Machine God would not mind her settling her mind with prayer. Studying what was happening on the Noosphere was too much, she had realized, so the girl started to look around and study her troops. Her ocular systems glazed upon the red armor of the Acillians and Astartes first and foremost. Following the declaration of their Father, TalOS’s sons had each striked their armor with highlights of red to declare their affiliation with the Crusade Force. Their armor differed in their make but both wore blackened armor making them look almost the same. Odd, but it came with its own piece of humor. From what she had seen the two sides are having a minor difficulty merging. It was not for a lack of trying but they were admittedly two different races of man. They did not think the same at a genetic level so difficulties would occur. They were still the Sons of TalOS however. They were all powerful individuals who will serve the Machine God and the Mechanicus with their lives. And in each of their cores they held the genetics of a wonderful man. That barrier will be breached at some point. That much she knew. It was simply a question on when they would breach it and truly recognize each other as brothers. The girl could not help but feel they were almost there, ever since both sides began socializing over a test drink that TalOS was developing.
Overall she had twenty of TalOS’s sons under her command. Two of them were the Decarii of their kin, and she learned to respect each of them with a good bit of will. Other than them she looked at the Skitarii that would be following them, numbering thirty total. That was one of the things about her force. One could not call it a surgical team for it was far too large for that. Instead you could more compare it to a Commander’s posse but UZ1 did not have those kinds of support elements expected of one. No, UZ1’s force was an Incursion force. She was expected to pick her battles, and at the right moment strike with the kind of force that would allow the rest of the army to march forward. As she wondered for a moment the rumblings of the cannons and Void Shields stopped in an instant. Picking up the Noosphere she was getting confirmations of the devastation that the fleet had experienced and inflicted. “We have won spacial void superiority.” UZ1 announced to her Incursion Force, “All casualties we have experienced will be repaired within the day while the Orks are fleeing in the numbers as proscribed by the War Council.”“When are we predicted to go down?” Asked Skitarii Alpha 985-RT as he did final examinations on his Galvanic Rifle. “The Fortress will be settled upon the planet within thirty minutes. We will be sent down before or after that depending on what the situation is on the planet. Bombardment will not commence as we need the atmosphere stable so the Orks throw themselves upon the planet in full force.”“Understood Adept.” The Skitarii declared as he turned and began talking to his fellows in Binary about their tactics. The Astartes and Acillians stayed silent as the Skitarii asked what they surely wanted to know. UZ1 took the moment to focus back on the network and await the orders she was soon to be given. >Help in clearing an LZ for the Fortress>An impromptu strike against one of the massive Fungal infestations to kill the food supply. >The retaking of what seems to be a capital city. Sorry for a short update, my brain is shot for some reason.
"Bombardment will not commence as we need the atmosphere stable so the Orks throw themselves upon the planet in full force"Ah, so the goal is to lure the Orks to the planet and cut their numbers down to size. Sensible>>5317162>The retaking of what seems to be a capital city.Infiltration and Sabotage is the modus operandi of special force teams. Clearing of landing zones and jungles can be handled by our mainstay forces.
>>5317162>Help in clearing an LZ for the Fortresswe don't have the forces to take the city (at least without heavy casualties. if we make the fortress the orks will abandon their fortifications sapping their numbers.
>>5317162>Help in clearing an LZ for the FortressNo more Waaagh! for the fungi.
I'm really glad we're seeing the Pre-Fabricated Fortresses btw.I'd like to imagine they function just as well as space stations in as much as they do landing craft. Perhaps even should they suddenly be forced out of orbit in the defense of a planet, they can attempt to land and still fight from the ground.Maybe the Federation has even had the time or can work on extremely large system defense fortresses, like Galatan. Can't expect Blackstone to be everywhere.>>5317190I'm under the impression its a separate drop zone attack of sorts, and UZ1's team would be there doing sabotage. I doubt with a conservative army like ours, we'd tackle the city without being absolutely prepared to take it. Still, any one of these places is a good place for UZ1 to shine.
>>5317162>>The retaking of what seems to be a capital city.I do not really know what does this means. Retaking a city? Does that means there are civilians in hiding that could form a milita? A city being Taken would imply the orks have some for of HQ in it, which of course wouldn't really be, but in 40k ork terms it means that there is a low to medium warboss there. Killing it now would be great, because after all forces make planetfall then the orks at the city will be a pain to deal with...So yes I am voting fr this one just because it picked my curiosity
>>5317233Even if UZ1 isn't equipped to kill their Warboss, lots of things she could do that really shine. Maybe tackle their head mek? Sabotage one of their reaktors? Maybe even manage to capture one of their Kommandoz.Or plant a beacon for the huge guns of the Orbit-to-Surface Fortress to lock onto once it lands.Or even a Beacon for Talos or the Particeps Semper if they were in a Horus mood of cutting off the head. What better chance to test out some of his cool new abilities than on a small warboss?
>>5317162>Help in clearing an LZ for the FortressI just realized something. Machine QM, By going full machine is UZ1 disqualified as a loving mother now to our mentally stunted sons?
>>5317274no
>>5317162>The retaking of what seems to be a capital city.
>>5317299Checked a worthy price to pay for the life of my laptop, as it died today. It gives and takes.
>>5317342Perform the rites, give it a blessed decommissioning.
With the time given to the Federation, where they able to retrofit the Blackstone Fortress or will that need to come later after we reclaim the whole sector?Given the Fortress is essentially a giant pointy moon made of blackstone, I'd imagine it'd be an effort equal to arming a moon like the Orks do.
>>5317162>Retake the capital city
Boss QM can you give us a fluffy description of TalOS current body? I know he has two "normal" arms (they are huge) and two other HUGE arms. He also has a completely metal head with no "face" but can SUCC at drinks. Maybe through a straw¿? "looks like a knight with crusading drapes over it"I can get an image of it and sadly the face/head I am picturing is pic related...
>>5317972Something like these for his head. As for the drink, well, thats a mighty fine point. Probably just has a part of it to be lifted. As for limbs he essentially has his two normal arms, then four Kastellan Arms hidden under the robes.
>>5317979https://youtu.be/TzhG2XNnQ2k?t=46Aigh, two "normal" arms and four fuck huge ones... he doesn't have little arms inside the castellan ones ye¿ And about the drinks, I'll imagine he has a retractable proboscis, like a (very) oversized moskito
>>5317979Lol I guess I wasnt so clear asking earlier in the thread I wanna know too. Gonna update the sketch of Talos.Is the previous list except anything relating to Metallica now valid?
>>5317983Theres many different things he could hide under his mask. From the simple like a proboscis or a solid fuel port with blades that is much like a garbage disposal, to even more techno arcanic things like a dark age android face replica with working mouth or a hologram of it ala the Omamic with a digital deconstruction beam to translate the food into his stomach for storage or synthesis into energy and biomass for healing.
Kastellan arms. Three bulky fingers great for balling into a fist to punch or grasp and crush with hydraulic force. If ever they need to grip anything more finely like a blade or a gun I imagine we either can unleash small mechadendrites like fine fingers, or use an advanced form of maglock.
>>5318014Use my simplified list that I presented earlier. Any of those relics and such you mentioned are probably not even invented yet.
>>5318118Gotcha. For list gonna refer to this post >>5310885And from the last thread>+Adamantine armor with integrated control systems similar to the Black Carapace of the Astartes. A shielding matrix of Magos C4R’s latest creation that I do believe has yet to be affirmed. And additional arms as well, interesting.+So:-Metal Face Plate that looks a like a knights head-Exposed skin has been plated over with adamantine armor akin to the black carapacte (feeling some Marvel Colossus vibes)-Shield Matrix-Two new Kastellan like arms on either side (going to place these above and below his normal now armored arms)-Still the same height for now, no change in scale-No major changes in armorGoing to guess that there's no need to arm the armored Kastellan arms and Talos just cut holes in his armor to fit his new arms through.I'm wondering if we still wear a helmet over all of this, or if our head is the helmet now
>>5317162>The retaking of what seems to be a capital city. not sure if it was a human or xenos city before but the longer orks controll it the worse our chances for finding good archotech or usefull xenotech get.The quest for knowledge does not end on a crusade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFvZwA_G2ioImagine when the first necrons show up and there is a huge battle and finally it's the BBEG v/s TalOS plus a lackey and our Primarch gets disabled only for the small dude to shock him back online? that'd be great... That and everyone screeching THE ABOMINABLE INTELLIGENCE... don't you think the admech should be more irrationally violent against the necrons? similar to how the drukhari SUPER hate anything related to slaneesh. They even have a stratagem that costs 1CP against them (the great enemy) which is pretty shit...
>>5318345nvm I rememberd incorrectly it's amazing>Use this Stratagem in the Fight phase. When a DRUKHARI unit from your army is selected to fight. Until the end of the phase, each time a model in that unit makes a melee attack against a SLAANESH unit, you can re-roll the hit roll and you can re-roll wound roll.You can reroll both PER MODEL, holy shit
>>5318345>don't you think the admech should be more irrationally violent against the necrons?I mean, whether 30k or 40k they typically are. If only because most of them want to steal their shit. The more puritanical prefer to burn it.The Admech, like the Inquisition, have a scale. The scale more or less tips towards puritanical, in general. More so when 40k rolls around.But now and again, you get radicals. Your Xenarites or for the Inquisition your Xanthites. Even Talos isn't precisely the picture perfect pure saint of the Admech, for his free use of emotions and even encouraging them among his acillians (he's gotten a lot more pure with covering his body in metal though) and he's innovationist rather than simply maintaining old designs he encourages tweaking hem to be better. His biggest anti-traditional sentiment seems to be overturning the old order of the Martian heirarchy in favor of a new balance of power. I wouldn't call him an extreme radical though, I'd call him a moderate that leans a bit towards the pure. He's definitely not on the level of Cawl or a Xenotech hungry Stygian. Until he gets that Necron Fever.Likewise among the necron, most would generally see the "Unclean" as barbarian things usually worth exterminating off the surface of their planets. But there are exceptions even then. Some desperate or dying dynasty's are purportedly open to diplomacy to save their skin, if only to treacherously backstab them later in the same fashion as Aeldari and Orks and even humans. Some are evidently genuinely bound to their contracts by honor. Some are like Trazyn who does both because he's a mad lad and wants to fill his museum with the galaxy itself.Then you have the Silent King, who forsaw the Tyranids and thought they were the absolute worst and has quietly but significantly tried diplomacy to prepare his people against them. Such as with Sangunineous. Later down the line Anrakyr the Traveller also aided the Blood Ravens too.If a Necron were to approach us with anything other than hostility, they will have a good reason for it. Or at least a good reason for themselves.
>>5318414Imo TaLoS understands that both innovation and tradition have their place and role, to adapt you have to give way to new ways and ideas. To stay pure and steadfast you need the comfort and stability only tradition and ritual can provide. Never abandon one or the other for good reason or you will betray your future or your past.An interesting idea would be TaLoS returning to the galaxy as the tentative ally of the silent king, ready to both wipe out the swarm and help the necrons back to biology, as part of a trade of course.When we have changed our soul there won't be many people could compete in the construction of artificial souls in the galaxy, something the silent king will probably need.
>>5318414>save their skinI mean... Jokes aside, yes you make a lot of sense. There better be good reasons to any diplomacy with the necrons. We (anons) think necrons are fucking awesome (they are) and I am worried that will get troublesome storytelling-wise because TalOS might end up with a lore unfriendly disposition towards them.Now, I am being way too stuck up for this is fanfiction... the psychatriast said I have autism traits, which are not clinically relevant so that explains it
>>5318452Anon you are on the world's premier tibetian throatsinging board, we all are.
>>5318452I am very invested in this too. Something I wanna do is maybe write the battle from different perspectives as it goes on. Just for the fun of it. Like one of our lowly skitarii.Machine God knows we all owe so much to QM as is for what they can write. That fun thing I wrote earlier took several hours alone.>>5318431On the flip side if diplomacy fails. . .well, let's just hope not. But having read some of the more recent Necron books there are a few things we could do against a hostile Necron dynasty. I mean, other than just the typical imperial way of overwhelm them with numbers at the cost of grievous losses.Which is certainly not a bad way to wage war either, as long as those losses are replacable.
Take the Capital!>>5317183>>5317233>>5317326>>5317813>>5317894>>5318264>>5318294Clear the LZ>>5317190>>5317211>>5317274
Oh hey, so UZ1's mission is described as an "Incursion Force"Apparently Incursion missions are an actual thing on TableTop. Given how QM tends to use Tabletop mechanics as a foundation for stuff in the quest, I'm going to guess it might be a bit similar.https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/the-rules/matched-play/#Incursion-Missions
>>5318573Yup.
>>5318575>>5318573https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/img/maps/ForwardPush.pngForward Push then?Based... is it forward push or another one from incursion? Well i's not like we can meta the thing just from that xd don't boter answering
>>5318593I was thinking shifting front, her team is peaking for weak points into the enemy capital. It's not a very small team, nor is it a very large team (it's dispensing with a lot of support elements for example, or heavy hitters like Kastellans or Thallaxes)Possibly the orks within are also seeking to break out too.
The feeling within UZ1’s chest had resolved itself far better since the battle outside had settled itself. It was moments like these that she could understand her Master, TalOS, in that the Arch Dominus feared the unknown of the Warp. The time though that she lacked complete control had left and instead settled with a sureness in her mind. With that sureness she rose from her seat and activated the mag locks to keep her attached to the shuttle’s floor. These moments were blessed with a series of commands entering within her mind that agency needed for these words. “We have our orders.” The Adept announced in standard Gothic as the Astartes still lacked the proper implants to switch to binary, “The Fortress will be dropping sixteen clicks from a nearby population center of Orks. As the drop fortress is not fully prepared for combat upon impact a force will be sent out to exterminate the Ork population.” She allowed her troops a moment to internalize the declarations and comprehend them. A simple tactic of speech so that none will lose themselves among her words. She knew this was not a problem with the Astartes and Acillians but as she was speaking in the common tongue the Skitarii would have issue. “The Population Center that we are being tasked with fighting for is surrounded by a crystalline wall that was from the previous inhabitants held together by Orkoid engineering. We will be tasked with breaching the walls with the assistance of the Knights of Dutonis. Questions?” UZ1 glanced about and saw no obvious motions of confusion. She was pretty sure the Astartes and Acillians, if they were confused, would never show such a side of themselves. As for the Skitarii they gave her digital affirmations confirming their objectives. “We have reached understanding.” She declared with certainty internalized within her chest. Taking the moment she bowed her head as she prayed, “Machine God, deliver us to the battlefield with your tender care. Give us the strength to strike down our foes so that we claim humanity’s future. To this I pray, Deus Mechanicus.” “Deus Mechanicus”With her duties as a Priest done the girl slowly made her way back to her seat and engaged the harness system. In a few more minutes she felt the shaking of the vessel underneath her and it along with hundreds of other vehicles began raining onto the planet below.
The shuttle rumbled and turned but not nearly as harsh as it would have been in a tactical airdrop. UZ1 linked up to the Skitarii pilot who was operating the vehicle and watched as the flak that was being thrown towards them missed with the accuracy of fools. As expected of Orks, UZ1 admitted. Taking another moment she began sending a broadcast to all within her force an estimation of arrival upon the battlefield. For a moment she saw a flier coming towards them, the ocular lenses of the operating Skitarii quickly identifying the Ork’s face and giving her an immense assessment in gross detail. UZ1 however did not have any fears as before the plane could fly anywhere close to them it imploded. The place of the one who rescued UZ1, one of the Knights of Dutonis employing the Icarus Autocannon system imported from Columnus. As they had no issues UZ1’s time estimates were exact. Even before the shuttle’s landing her troops were mobilizing themselves. Removing herself from the harness the girl stood in the middle between the heavily armored Acillians and the lightly armored Skitarii who were prepared to die at her orders. With a rumble on the ground they quickly began furrowling out of the vehicle and were welcomed with the sight of combat. The glossy shine that the walls shined was the first thing that UZ1 noticed as she made landfall. While the Orks had placed an obvious insane amount of effort into maintaining the fortification it was clear they were just fools standing on the shoulder of Xenos Gods. Even as the Mortars and Knights fired upon the fortification the crystalline structure only repulsed the attack with a green crackle of energy. It was some sort of witchcraft of the Mitu. Before this world was one of their fortresses against the Orks, that was clear, but even with the impenetrable walls they were likely breached by the Orks with sheer numbers to overwhelm them. Though that meant it could be penetrated. “Advance! Aggressor Imperative!” UZ1 declared over the Vox network as she snapped her bosom screamed, “We shall run over these Xenos Pagans who are an affront to the Machine God and stomp them under the thunder of our feet! May we have vengeance for all that have been destroyed!”With those words they began rushing at speeds that some of the Astartes found hard to follow up. Though they did not seem too bothered as they angled their flamers and prepared for the next few moments of attack.
After five minutes they had arrived at the battlefield. The Orks, being what they are, had turned a vast majority of the city’s outside into a shanty town. As this land was unprotected it had been shelled with as much ordinance as there could be delivered. Praise to their toughness though, still Orks were running about. Overall the battle over these ruins was already in progress as UZ1 noticed a Knight of Dutonis and two of its Armigers fighting among the Horde. The amount of gore flyed about the place as they chopped into the Hordes before them but the Orks coming out of the ruins were still numerous. The Orks were in numbers that were hard to calculate and their bodies were already piling. A swift attack by an Armiger brought ten of their kin down just for another three to run over and stab into it with knives. While the armor of the Machine seemed to not care, one of the strikes dug itself into a cable and ruptured. With a swift flicking of its body the Armiger sent these fools flying across the field to become splatters of blood upon the field. +Switch to Protector Imperative! Skitarii Rangers provide covering support to the Knights! Vanguard advances with the Astartes to find a strongpoint. Acillians are to stay here with the Rangers and provide covering fire for the advancing.+ UZ1 declared first and foremost as she raised a Volkite, “Astartes split between assault and heavy weapons. Assault are to advance with the Vanguard while heavy weapons flank out to provide coverage against higher Orkoid lifeforms!” Upon her words her soldiers began moving themselves into what was given. The Astartes without care started running forward while the Vanguard charged behind them. The Vanguard were the first to give the enemy Orks a barrage of Radium fire with Orks dropping left and right from the attack. As they did so it gave the Astartes enough time to arrive at their allotted destination and release the flamers. As flames danced before them UZ1 detected that the Skitarii that were with her had finally had the moment needed to steady their shots. With a raising of his arm they all brought their weapons to bear. She gave their aims a quick check, administering the subtle changes as needed. +FIRE!+ A rain of lightning light bullets came upon the Orks with accuracy that could only be repeated by an Astartes Warrior. Droves of Orks were slaughtered within seconds as the bullets crashed into heads and necks. It was the quick shots of the Volkites from the Acillians though that turned whatever remained of the Orks into a plasmatic mush. The Knights that they had saved quickly slaughtered the Orks that were upon them. Guts and pieces being sent everywhere as the Questorus Knight slammed a fist into the ground with a seismic slam.
+Lord Dominus it a pleasure for you to have come when you did!+ Declared the Knight over the Noosphere to UZ1, +Those creatures would have died but Lex Gavros would have been shamefully wounded.+ +Situation?+ UZ1 fired back as they all advanced with the Knight and his posse of Armigers. +I have been sent out to scout for a possible entrance into the enemy and I believe I have found it.+ The Knight raised its weaponized hand to point at a nearby piece of the wall, “I have seen the Greenskins throwing themselves out from over there. I believe it to be a wound in the wall that will allow us entrance into the wall and kill whatever foul sorcery defends this metropolis.” UZ1 took a moment to check the Noopsheric chatter, +We will not have artillery support. A force of Orks have begun throwing themselves out of the city and rushing our forward landing positions.++Is that so? Then we will not be able to clear out the rest of these shacks with glorious ordinance but depend upon you. That is, unless you wish to risk running in the open against these dangerous foes.+ >Take the nearby shanty town, clearing out housing so that the Knights can advance without worry of Anti-Tank weapons>Go to the inbetween, though less overall efficient, all will have their advantages. >The open field, we will just need to run for it.
>>5318614>Take the nearby shanty town, clearing out housing so that the Knights can advance without worry of Anti-Tank weaponsCombined Arms pleases the Machine GodDamn, never realized UZ1s preferred place was the very vanguard. Like not even stealth and assassination strike team stuff but diving headlong into the enemies lines. I wonder if she prefers this over research even. Our beloved apprentice, a thrill junkie of a dominus.We're really gonna have to up our game with her augments one day too if she wants to keep this up. Especially before the Rangdan.
>>5318614>Clear the shanty
>>5318614>Take the nearby shanty town, clearing out housing so that the Knights can advance without worry of Anti-Tank weaponsUrban fighting sucks, so better to get good at it.
>>5318701Better still to be better geared for it, but failing that battle data is the next best thing.
>>5318614>>Take the nearby shanty town, clearing out housing so that the Knights can advance without worry of Anti-Tank weaponsI don't want a nasty roggit to harm one of the knights! I wonder if the gash in the shield is large enough for the big units. QM?
>>5318614>Take the nearby shanty town, clearing out housing so that the Knights can advance without worry of Anti-Tank weapons
>>5318614>>Take the nearby shanty town, clearing out housing so that the Knights can advance without worry of Anti-Tank weaponsProtect both the artefacts and the heavy assault.>>5318667I don't think she prefers it, its just that there are no easy targets to break here and the assault has to be set up. At this point she should be comfortable with commanding most of these attacks, no matter the actual role. Although i think you are right about her enjoying the adrenaline rush of it. Agreed on those upgrades, we can easily use similar augments to the ones TaL0S has after he had some combat encounters, analyse the data and then apply what works and is applicable. A primarchs body is so much more durable than even a tech priests, so it makes sense for TaL0S to field test their effectiveness.
>>5318614>Take the nearby shanty town, clearing out housing so that the Knights can advance without worry of Anti-Tank weaponsThese are still bloodaxes right? so we need tp be wary of ambushes. damn kommandoz
>>5319463It could also be that very stealthy type espionage and assassination stuff isn't in the Federation's purview. We should have encountered Stygies by now, but that doesn't mean we've learned their ways. Surgical stealth strikes the likes of our brother Alpharius or Corax might be something we have yet to learn (and a good reason to befriend them). So we do the next best thing which is deep vanguard missions rather than sneaking about hidden passages to find vulnerable targets.Once we conquer the Lucius sector, Segmentum Obscurus also has the Calixis sector for us to visit. There if we are lucky, we may encounter the Admech's variant of the Assasinorum. Could be of use to UZ1 if she's determined to take the path of the warrior of the Machine Cult to its zenith.https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Acuitor_Mech-Assassin
>>5319499>380.M39 samadhi behan their sneaky stuffI don't the quest's current year... or how the h*ck do I use "380.M39" as a point of reference
>>5319590I think we are at 200 something M30So quite a bit away
Well, this was a vote. Honestly surprised but also not. >>5318667>>5319463>>5318684>>5318701>>5318758>>5318778>>5319474
+We will take the Shanty Town that the Orks have created. Stay with my forces and we will secure a clear pathway for you to move forward.+ +Then I place my steed in your hands, Sir Tech Priest! Simply give me targets and I will provide the supporting fire!+ Cheered the pilot as they began shifting their movement towards Xenos settlement. “We are escorting the Knights of Dutonis. Vanguard and Assault Astartes, I want you to take point into the nearby settlement. Heavy Weapons Astartes you will be taking up the rear for Overwatch.” UZ1 announced over the vox before her Machine Spirits clicked to the Noosphere, +Acillians and Rangers, to take up the rear immediately behind the Knights. We will need to watch for potential ambushes against the Knights.+Within seconds of her declaration the forces around her began to move as if a master chess player was upon a chessboard. The pieces of armor that protected the soft interior were placed in an arrow formation to pronounce the most amount of security that could be afforded to them. All while the front quickly advanced forward with their chainsword drawn. These assault forces were the first into the city with the sound of flames and radium being thrown about the place. Unlike what a standard commander would have UZ1 was given a full display of what was happening inside of there. The Skitarii Alpha taking several shots at a gretchin with the Astartes releasing a deathly red flame into the horde of Orks. +336, eighty six meters out.+ UZ1 declared over the Noospheric connection with the Knight. +Firing.+ He declared as he brought up the massive cannon and fired three shots into the building. The Knight drew over his cannon and aimed it into the building, giving it three total shots without care. The might of the Knight however was betrayed by the ease he just employed as several molten slugs of material were shown out the other side of the building. Seconds later the two story place collapsed as they began entering the shanty proper. With that strike made they all began to move at a steady pace forward into the Ork built town of scrap metal.
The landscape itself was a demonstration on the intelligence of Orks. Before the magnificent walls of the Mitu's likely genius engineering were the numerous one and two story metal shacks that could barely be described as residency. It was a shining example that Orks were the lowest form of intelligence and ultimate form of the scavenger. UZ1 knew all this and more to be true. Even now as she walked the settlement her Psi-Scanner was demonstrating that somewhere among that insanity there was true power behind it. Let it be the power of the Orks or whatever foul gods handcrafted them for war she did not know. +Whatever Gods lay out there in wait for us. The Plastoids, the Orks, and the Mitu, all of them worship some form of blasphemous god. Even the Emperor, the one who claims there is no divines, is clearly one of them.+ UZ1 spoke within her systems as they started walking down the streets. She could only take a moment and pray to the Machine God. Out of all the Gods in the Universe he was the one who chose humanity to champion. Through him humanity gained knowledge, wisdom, and power to fight against these horrors.With a snap of her mind she checked what was happening on all sides of the battlefield. Her mind’s eye witnessing what each and every augmented individual was made to witness. The first was the main spearhead, the fighting with the Astartes and the Skitarii found themselves measured up with the Orks. Out of her fifteen Vanguard she had lost three of them, but in return for their deaths they had killed thirty seven of the highest form of greenskin. This ratio, when compared to normal tactics, meant that the Skitarii were performing thirteen times more optimal than what could be previously expected in close quarters combat with the Orks. This was likely for two fold reasons which involved the Astartes. With the Astartes present the Orks would attack the much larger and melee oriented Legionnaires than both going for the weak scraps of the Skitarii. The second though was that the Skitarii, knowing themselves of lesser value than the Astartes, would occasionally throw themselves into the brawl to weaken the orks for their fellows. That was the ultimate cost of two of the deaths, Skitarii throwing themselves into the brawl when their Machine Spirits realized that the Space Marines were about to lose one of their own due to being flanked. As was mandated, UZ1 recorded their deaths and names for the records. It was in the knowledge of this, after all, that the Skitarii threw themselves with such fervor against the foes of the Machine God. It was then that her Psi Sensors quickly began to beep.
UZ1 quickly began to move in such a way but felt her body going just that little bit slower than her mind. It was a minor alarm but one that she was taught not to ignore. As her body could not angle itself she used the Machine. +168, Orks!+ Upon being told the Acillians were the first to move and point their Votes at the target. Eight shots rang out striking what UZ1 realized was a bunch of Orks who had hidden themselves in nearby barrels. As they did so UZ1 herself had a Ballistic Mechanrite bring her Plasma gun to give a deep scaring into the Xenos. “WAAAAGH!!” Yelled one of the orks as they realized they were found out and began their charge towards them. While one could blame the forward assault force for missing these Orks they were not to blame. As the Orks were psychic in nature it made sense that through witchcraft they were able to hide. That was the reason only UZ1 was really able to detect the Horde of Boyz as they came towards her in such a number. As UZ1 finally brought her body towards the Xenos they were already halfway across the street towards her. She welcomed them with a pair of Volkite rounds to their chests that turned one of their bodies into a fine bluish green mush on the ground. Though as the creatures came forward instead of falling down like the fools they were, these creatures quickly brought up what could only be described as a plump grot radiating with psychic energy. With a sick kick one of the Orks sent the creature towards the nearest building and through whatever witchery these creatures employed both Acillian and Ranger began to move their weapons towards the target. It seemed they were going to get within the melee, which for UZ1 meant that there were over a dozen Skitarii between her and them. However she wondered if for a moment it was wise to keep them in front of her instead of engaging the Orks herself. >Go forward and defend the Skitarii>Try to get the most out of the Skitarii while they are alive, staying close to buff them. >Get as much difference between one’s self and the Orks.
>>5319823>Try to get the most out of the Skitarii while they are alive, staying close to buff them.UZ1 Strategic Value Absolute. - Sanctus Dominus TalOS DAV1S
>>5319823>Try to get the most out of the Skitarii while they are alive, staying close to buff them. AdMech buffs let's go. Also Uzi isn't a combat powerhouse like Talos so I don't think her going headfirst into battle is a good idea.
"Even the Emperor, the one who claims there is no divines, is clearly one of them"Hmm, that's not going to be good once we get into arguments with Lorgar.>>5319823>Go forward and defend the SkitariiThis is the part where UZ1 shows off the super cool stuff that lets her stride forward amongst the OrksUZ1 would only ever fall back or focus on buffing if she herself weren't armed to the teeth.And Talos would absolutely not send out his precious Apprentice without arming her to her adamantine teeth.This could be the part in a Black Library novel narrated by Richard Reed where it goes like: "These Orks, equipped in mockery of what a specialist human team might look like, would be considered the elite amongst their primitive civilization when it came to tactical acumen, who rather than simply shouting loudly and swinging their blades as hard as they could, they fought with what could be crudely describe of as actual martial arts.But to UZ1 they might as well have been oversized armored children. In mere nanoseconds gene and cybernetic-enhanced mind, based on the Primarch's himself, had calculated the most likely movements of the Orks and, striding forward on servo-actuated legs that might very well have been the best given unto any techpriest in the Mechanicum short of the Fabricator General himself, cut the orks down with mechanicaul, contemptual ease. With her two arms and mechadendrites bristling with volkite and eradicator pistols, she sent volley after volley of energy blasts that sent blinding, cackling rays that turned Ork flesh into superheated mist. The Orks barely had time to react to their own demise, and those that did appeared to UZ1 as if they were wading through thick liquid fuel."
>>5319842Well, I'd like to think if Talos is sending her out on such dangerous missions, he wouldn't feel responsible unless he did modify her into a combat powerhouse. Or at least that UZ1's spent most of this time also trying to mod herself as possible. Why only lead and buff, when you can also lead and buff and fight!
>>5319823>Try to get the most out of the Skitarii while they are alive, staying close to buff them.It's a chance chance for UZ1 to show off her micro skills.
>>5319823>Stay close and buffLets keep her out of close range with these monsters
>>5319823>Try to get the most out of the Skitarii while they are alive, staying close to buff them.>>5319846>>5319849I like this idea, though the same energy could be made into buffing her allies to also be very good, with such combat skills being a last resort than a first resort.
>>5319823>Try to get the most out of the Skitarii while they are alive, staying close to buff them.
>>5319865True enough.Yeah, I think she would also have a ton of really good buff tech too.
>>5319823>>Go forward and defend the SkitariiThis is the part of the novel when the female sidekick goes overbounds and almost-dies for then the MC to get worried sick and confess their love!
>>5319890we've already declared our love/desire for long-term companionship.
>>5320043but this iswhen it's real real. They kiss and stuff.
>>5320043Not that nows the time for it, but we are still skitting around the concept of marriage since the Mechanicus doesn't have the literal equivalent.that being said, we do have the example of Mom and Dad. So perhaps, it's a matter of proposing parenthood/genetic recombination vats and house/workshop cohabitation. I am curious if we really do make sensiIf Russ finds out he will probably bluntly say that calling something by a different name but doing most of the same actions does not make it a different thing
>>5320198i had a thought about quantum entangled material matching rings!
>>5320198"Does she dwell in your longhouse and warm your bed, Brother?""We cohabitate a workshop. It is efficient.""Does she fire the hearth and cook your meals?""She took it upon herself to replicate ELL1E's corpstarch to the molecular pattern, I appreciate the gesture""You have even used your techno sorcery to conceive a child with her!""That was an experiment on compatibility of primarch DNA with baseline humanity, grown in an external ges-""Do you love her as if she were your own heart?""...Yes. I value her company, her consult, and her intellect. She is my binaric half.""Then she is your wife!""No, such things are-">>Leman punches Talos for being obtuse
>>5319823>Go forward and defendI want to see how good we've made Uzi at fighting
>>5320423
>>5320198would they hold hands or mechadendrites? what do you think
>>5320500H-h-hand holding? l-lewd!>>5319823>Go forward and defend the Skitarii
>>5320500>>5320619Well we already did hand holding with UZ1
>>5320646>>5320619>inb4 UZ1 grafts Tal0S arm on herselfhot...
>>5320668No. Please delete this.>>5320646Yes, that scene was unforgettable.
>>5320423lol
>>5320043We have declared it more truly and efficiently than normal human speech. There is no mistaking meaning with direct transmission of thought in code
>>5320423I so want this to happen at some point.>>5319823>Go forward and defend the Skitarii
Buff the Skitarii>>5319839>>5319842>>5319852>>5319863>>5319866>>5320171>>5320346>>5319865Heroic Intervention>>5319846>>5319890>>5320429
>>5320873*facepalms* of course it was a heroic intervention... I must say, among all the HQ units I've seen, tech-priests are damn strong. 2+ and 5++ saving throw? wew lad... Anyway an equivalent group of kommandos is 16 attacks. 3+ to hit, 4+ to wound... aiiieeee UZ1
>>5320931You guys decided to just Overwatch them, so about what Admech does.
The moment that UZ1 had was a hard one. Her decision was one that she knew would be made and had already made a decision upon even before she touched the planet. It did not take away weight from the decision but it did allow her to process it with ease. +RAISE YOUR WEAPONS!+ The Tech Priest declared as she too raised a fist in the declaration of power, +Prepare Overwatch. Set to Defend. Initiate Volley Fire.+These binaric words, while as fast as light, could only be created as fast as the Tech Priest could think and processed as fast as the Skitarii could do so. These delays in time allowed the Orks to reach the five meter mark before them. While this moment was not optimal UZ1 was not going to let her soldiers die without retaliation. +FIRE!+ The hand of the adept came crashing down as bullets rang into the Orks with a brutal stabbing. She watched as so many of the shots went above or below the Orks as the Skitarii did not really have a chance to aim. However the sheer volume between the Skitarii and the Orks was filled with so much gun fire that the Orks were inevitably hit.. As always the orks were shown to be the toughest of their lot as the Greenskin came through the cloud of bullets. Some however had their skulls caved in or their necks pierced as the strikes went clean through their unarmored skin.There were ultimately three of the xenos who made it to the back line and began chopping into the flesh of mankind. UZ1 felt her anger surge as a butcher’s knife dug into the shoulder of one Skitarii while another slammed his combat knife into another’s stomach. UZ1’s death counter was growing as she gave the command for the Skitarii to stand slamming the butts of their rifles into the Xenos. The sound of wood hitting the bones and jaws of the surviving Orks as the three were quickly buried in an avalanche of Skitarii. For all she could do, UZ1 edited several of their strikes to make sure they dug their hands and rifles into the necks of the Orks. Three separate shots of a Galvanic Rifle went off as the Skitarii moved themselves away from the targets. UZ1 noting that the Skitarii had indeed done a double tap to make sure the foul Greenskin were dead. Out of her fifteen Skitarii Rangers she had lost six of them. Taking a moment she looked upon her others who were giving out some form of warriness and pain.
Knowing the issue was morale UZ1 spoke immediately, +Do not waiver, those who are lost are with the Machine God and will be remembered by us. We must attain our objective at all costs, am I understood!+ With those words she saw their postures quickly straightened and their blue liquid filled eyelids steady themselves. A moment of satisfaction went over UZ1 as she witnessed the men reprepare themselves for the further fight. +Skitarii move up with the Armiger, Acillians take the rear. We are at risk of being ambushed from hence onwards.+ UZ1 declared on the Noosphere before her systems clicked, “Heavy Weapons Astartes, come closer into the center and within line of sight. The Orks are aiming for ambushes.” Within seconds she was given a series of affirmations as they all started moving towards. Just as she planned the Acillians were more protecting the soft Skitarii at all sides from the dreadful Xenos attack. Would this matter, well, UZ1 could not really declare at the moment if she was honest. These creatures employed the secrets of the Warp. This sorcery, which she was sure many of the Orks were not aware they employed, was something that could not be fought with simple ordnance. For the moment she needed to keep up the scanning and make sure that they were as secured as she could by monitoring. If that meant placing herself between the Skitarii and Acilliand then that was a willing price to pay. They continued down the road. UZ1 watched as one of the Orks popped out of a doorway only to get their bodies destroyed by one of the Assault Astartes. Her scanners were picking up numerous kills from the forward spearhead as the Knights walked triumphantly through the streets. The only kill the Heavy Weapons Astartes could claim was the death of a large Squig that looked to have been charging right for the largest Knight. It had nearly a dozen holes left in it when the likely bored Astartes finished their barrage of lascannon fire. As for the Acillians, only one other time did the Orks try to jump the rear. UZ1 however was aware of their tricks and within milliseconds had Acillian, Rangers, and even the nearby Armiger destroy them with gunfire. She allowed herself a moment of satisfaction as she looked upon the dead corpses that laid upon the boxes and cans the fools used as cover.
“Adept UZ1, we have sighted the breach.” Declared an Astartes over the Vox network as the Knights were making their final turn. +Sir Tech Priest, I see our chance!+ Laughed the Knight of Dutonis as he began running forward, +Charge forth my fellows! The moment of slaughter is now upon us!” UZ1 watched as the Knights crashed into what was an Ork horde in the making. As they took the Xenos from the front she got readings of the Astartes and Vanguard taking the Xenos from another side with Chainsword and Radium fire. +Take up position!+ announced UZ1 as the remaining nine rangers formed up around her, +FIRE!+ Upon her command the Skitarii sent a series of well aimed and timed shots into the Orkish horde with her minor corrections included. The next moment she watched from above her head several bolts of Volkite were sent flying into the target with impunity. The Tech Priest allowed one of her mechanrites to rise over the battle and give her a direct ocular feed of what everyone was fighting for. While hard to see even here it was a dug in slant into it that went into a hole. UZ1 took notice that this hold looked to have been handmade, likely by the Orks when they were first assaulting this settlement. Hitting it from some many parts they had found this single location in the entire fortress to be vulnerable and created a hole large enough for one of their larger versions. It is large enough for the Armigers, but it would take some work to bring in the Knight with them all. As she thought that the war continued as the Knight Errant they had escorted finally reached the Ork lines. With a slam a great many of the Orks began a green past upon the nearest wall before the hand of the giant reached over and ensnared one of the vehicles of the great machine. With a powerful throw the Knight sent the wreckage hurling into the horde of Orks and sent a great many of them to their allotted grave. >Have the Knight, using its Thermal Cannon, carve out a large enough hole. >Go in with the Armigers>Just UZ1 and her team, give thanks to the Knights for their assistance.
I crunched some numbers and UZ1 MAY have survived with some comfort, plus the litany of the electromancer
>>5320982If you also note, that if she is not the declare target of the charge, she cannot be targeted by the Orks.
>>5320986hmm... but if UZ1 was somewhat close to the skitarii then the orks could have targeted both units and charge succesfully.
>>5320976>Go in with the Armigers
>>5320991I mean I was gonna run it as a heroic intervention, so no.
>>5320976>Have the Knight, using its Thermal Cannon, carve out a large enough hole.
>>5320976>>Have the Knight, using its Thermal Cannon, carve out a large enough hole.We make our own doors
>>5320991>>5320991tfw my favorite quest is used tabletopism as the primary basis for major battle scenesme here, stuck with novelism and loreism>>5320976>Go in with the Armigers
>>5320976>>Have the Knight, using its Thermal Cannon, carve out a large enough hole.BEEEEEEEEG
>>5321071>tfw my favorite quest is used tabletopism as the primary basis for major battle scenes>me here, stuck with novelism and loreismGW's fluff is so confused and self-contradictory that letting the crunch decide is really the fairest way of handling things, especially in the Heresy era with all the capeshit coming out of Black Library.
>>5321159Most of the stuff I've listened on Audible is the ongoing Primarch novel series and then Indomitus Books (Plague Wars trilogy, the Necron Novels). Gotta admit though some of the lore stuff is pretty cool, like that written scene of Guilliman dodging 12 alpha marine assassins in bullet time, or the necron battle scenes in Twice Dead King. Or say for example the Astartes videos. This quest to me feels less like a game requiring strict crunch balance and more as a way show storytelling, character exposition, and awesome fight scenes. It isn't like one of those strategy/tactical civ quests where we are given good or bad options that can cause terrible failures, a Primarch would be better than that. Just options on what to focus on for the plot. Rather than arguing and debating amongst ourselves on the correct strategic choice we think on the choice that fits his personality best, and he carries it out well.Still, I get that using tabletop crunch gives an easy frame of reference too. Especially if QM is very familiar with it. He certainly writes it well too.
>>5321183>Most of the stuff I've listened on Audible is the ongoing Primarch novel series and then Indomitus Books (Plague Wars trilogy, the Necron Novels).This pains me way more than it should. I always saw 40k fluff as being told through the rulebooks, codexes, and campaign books, with even most codex fluff being questionable as they tend hype the faction being described to an extent not justified by either their in game performance or overall status in the canon, largely as a ploy to sell more models. The novels are... divergent to say the least in how they depict the setting and should be read with extreme skepticism, if at all.
>>5320976>>Have the Knight, using its Thermal Cannon, carve out a large enough hole.Ominous hummmm
>>5312079These aren't Freebooter orks who are available for hire. Other kinds of orks don't accept nor honor merc contracts and only those Eldar think they can manipulate them or engage in diplomacy with them. I once played with a guy who did terrible TERRIBLE things with ork freebooters during a Rogue Trader game. Admittedly he was playing as a sanctioned Xenos Freebooter ork Kaptin later turned Warboss but still. Orks when properly utilized via rogue trader warrants(particularly those of the Great Crusades Era) can do great and terrible things. Orks are even more devastating when properly used and Freebooters can be trusted so long as you keep paying and the fights coming. The moment one of the two stop bad things happen.If we want freebooter ork mercs and other Xenos mercs in service. We will need to issue a Rogue Trader Warrant which we have the right to as a Primarch and assign it to some trusted humans. The problem is we mainly deal with Admech and aren't actually exposed enough to baseline humanity to really identify any worthy candidates. We can even utilize Rogue Traders to leverage additional military forces, explore/scouting, and support our logistics via their trade networks. They would actually be an amazing force multiplier to us... assuming we can find the time to even find anyone who is worthy issuing the warrant. One of those things I would very much like to do is have our own pet Rogue Traders on retainer.
>>5320976>Blast a hole
>>5321214Understandable. For me I find access to the tabletop scene difficult, not just because models can be expensive but even if you can afford them there might not always be gamestores you can play with. Nearest ones for me are 2 hours away by car.If GW sold rulebooks and codexes in digital format, I'd buy the heck out of it. If I wanted to buy and read Gathering Storm the fall of Cadia, I have to buy hardcover. But I kinda just feel bad having so many rulebooks and not a model to myself.These days there are mods for tabletop simulator that let you play 40k, but even then just personally haven't found anyone wanting to play with a new person and most of the ones I meet online seem more interested in playing with experienced players who are already good at optimization and meta builds.I get that there is a disconnect between Tabletop and Lore. I'm told the same is true in Fantasy, even between WFRP and the Tabletop iteslf. Does the 40k RPG hold up decently to tabletop?But yeah>Lore: describes SM being able to shrug off lasgun blows, moving too swiftly for the humans to accurately target by hand as lasguns shots singe the air where he was rather than where he is, pummeling dozens by dozens as those shots that do hit simply plink upon his armor like rain. He is a space marine blah blah>Tabletop example I was told: Get 1 Guardsman model. Give him the order to shoot twice. Hit Both. Wound Both. Space Marine fails 2 saves. A single space marine has just been killed by a single baseline human at range. Chances very rare? Yes. But not impossible. Definitely more possible than the way lore describes.
>>5321740Yeah, Wrath and Glory is pretty decent at that. I think the armor of an Astartes cannot even be pierced by lasfire based on damage reduction. I think, I'd need to get into the rules again.
>>5321588I imagine its that our sector, the Lucius sector, is currently wracked by huge wars and occupied by large xenos empires that threaten our existence that for now Rogue Traders aren't yet relevant for the Federation. Likely our Explorators themselves are shifting their efforts to the war too.Once we conquer the Sector, and instead of giant alien empires but open expanse are around us, rogue traders may be come more relevant as a means to expand outward into the rest of the Segmentum. Conquest first, expansion later.That will be a cool time. We used to be something like an Explorator in the early days too no? Maybe in between the big huge wars, we might take a hand in discovery and exploration once again.
>>5321782>>5321740I prefer the old FFG rulesets, especially Rogue Trader, as I love Call of Cthulhu/BRP so the d100 mechanics were really easy to get into.Wasn't trying to be a dick or gatekeep, I hate what the the new tournament meta as well as the profit driven power creep in codex and edition releases has done to 40k, and can't stand the timeskip either. AFAIK the setting's done at the end of 7th, and with my friends I usually play 7th, 2nd, or Inquisimunda depending on what scale we want. I own tabletop simulator and downloaded a bunch of models and tablesets but haven't played around with it much, If you'd like to kick around on one of the older editions sometime let me know. Also rulebook PDFs are super easy to come by, check over on /tg in the trove or the generals, they'll take good care of you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJCQ2cWitYg&ab_channel=Majorkill
>>5321740I can crunch numbers later but as you see here it's not easy to wound a marine. And your friend's example takes into account that all the planets aligned for those two shots to connect...
>>5322041Or you are really unlucky. Trust me, I was fighting a guy who fired a barrage of Meltas into my Armiger. None of them hit even though he was rolling a 3+.
>>532204150% chance to land the hit -> 30% chance to wound -> 30% chance for the marine to fail their save.0.5 * 0.3 * 0.3 = 0.045 or 4.5% chance of wounding a marine>>5322045based. Did you light incense
>>5321838I would actually greatly appreciate that. Thank you! Hmm, are you familiar with the TTS40k Discord (tabletop simulator 40k)https://discord.com/invite/ttswarhammer40kIf you were to post anything there saying you were from Talos Quest or Mechanicus Quest like in one of the off-topic channels, I'd know it's you
This just came out todayhttps://youtu.be/W-OvV1EBJYY
I am confident the idea of QM is to use the tabletop as a grounded scenario to put the fights in. Just as an aid to "set the pieces" when imaginig the fight. And if I think in the same terms, then it is easier to take in the narration!>>5322045Playing with an Armiger? Jesus, what is your job!? Nah, any damn hobby is cheaper than smoking and drinking, we just don't notice
>>5322149posted in off_topic_general, hit me up
Armigers>>5320992>>5321238>>5321252>>5322120>>5321071Blow a hole!>>5321000>>5321046>>5321082>>5321251>>5321728I do not know what I am feeling. Is this, happiness... or... confusion.
>>5322413I guess I'mma choose the Knight blowing a hole into the wall since thats the cooler option.
>>5322418The Armigers will atleast make a cameo, right?
>>5322421Of course, they are part of the defense.
>>5322265I mean you're right since alcohol will steal $50 a night, but I got a white collar job. For some reason after staring at a computer screen typing for 8 hours a day I come home to cool down by typing for 1.5 hours.
>>5322413>Blow a hole!Yesss!
The Orkish Horde that was before them, once a menacing horde that would call death to nations, was now turned into a torrent of red fire dancing within the alien winds. The Assault Astartes were the ones who threw the most real flame into the mix. All of them emptying their Flamer canisters as the Orks came towards them with a beastial roar. None of the greenskin could survive as they were turned into simple fuel for the dangerous food for the Sons of TalOS’s appetites. As they started the flames, the Knight of Dutonis allowed his Thermal Cannon to release a barrage into the horde without a moment’s care. The blasts came rocketing through and turning whatever touched the beam into a red hot ash pile. Whatever energy was not robbed from the flesh of the Xenos with melta incineration, the flames of the Astartes ate it up with eagerness. The Armigers, following the example of their Knight, fired their own weapons into the horde without care for what could have been on the other side. Four Thermal Spears sliced into the flesh of these creatures and just like the Thermal Cannon created an immense amount of kindling for the raging inferno. These were simply the direct attacks though. As their strikes created a blazing fire the Skitarii from two sides began firing Galvanic and Radium fire into the horde. The Radium fire, a radioactive source of power, began twisting and turning into a maelstrom that caused the entire place to glow a dangerous shade of green. UZ1 did not worry about it though as she watched the Rad Storm take form. It was a simple occurrence that was expected when the Skitarii employed their radium rounds into the horde. The Orks, which had previously held the position with the promise of a good fight, began to flee as many of their own kin melted into a burning sludge of death. The last of the creatures were killed off by the Heavy Weapons Marines who enjoyed shooting the Orks in a barrel. There was no moment to spare so the Knight and his Armigers began walking over the Corpses and turning whatever places the fire was lit into nothingness. This only made things near the center safe as the fire quickly reached the nearest Orkoid structure and set it alight. While most of the structures were made of metal whatever there must have been an oil somewhere within them. The red hot rad flames only had to brush the foundation before one of the buildings was turned into a raging inferno of death and destruction. UZ1 paid this some mind but made sure to lead her troops into the clearing.
+Lex Gavros.+ UZ1 called out the name of the Knight as they reached the hole, +Do you think you can widen this for yourself to use?+ +That will be easy Sir Tech Priest. With the power of Lex Gavros we will pierce the walls and emerge to wreak destruction upon the Greenskin’s soft insides.+ Upon that declaration the Knight angled his weapon and began firing what was a concentrated stream into the structure. The crystal around it seemed to shutter for a moment just like the many times it was attacked before. This time it could not maintain enough strength and dimmed to the concentrated fire of the Knight’s weapon. “Everyone shall form up! Take up firing positions around the Knight and prepare for the counter attack!” Declared UZ1 as she gave a cry while sending her coordinates to the Domini in the sky, “If we are successful here the entire assault shall be! Rally up!” After her cries the Tech Priest took a moment to let herself breath. An organic motion though it was, she could not help but feel the current fight. So much stimuli had entered her vision that while she could easily process it all she could not help but notice that a good chunk of her brain was not developed to handle it. With that in mind she took these breaths. She had handled herself well enough that she needed to make sure her humors were balanced. That was something that TalOS preached, the work-leisure balance was how he referred to it. These moments she could feel the need but there was no time for leisure. She simply needed to take these seconds to regenerate whatever mental constitution was lost. As she heard a massive chunk of the wall collapse behind her UZ1 saw the creatures from the Horizon begin their approach. Behind the rad flames was an entire horde of greenskins emerging from their hiding places. UZ1 knew that second that the fire had finally done what the Artillery could not. It forced the Orks out of their hiding spots and out into the open. As they did so she watched as a massive creature that had a mouth for a face came out before them. Upon the red creature’s mouth-head was an Ork that looked to be a few times larger than any of the Orks they had fought before. “WAAAAGH!!!”Upon the cry of what UZ1 identified as a Squig Riding Mega-Nob the Orks began raining themselves towards the line of Acillians, Astartes, and Skitarii. +Protector Imperitive.+ UZ1 said as she bit her lip, +Bless be those who follow the Machine God’s will. With his will our aim shall be forever true!+
The first ones to fire were the Rangers, Heavy Weapon Marines, and Armigers, as their weapons were at a far enough range to rip into the incoming horde. The amount of bullets that were going through the air was like before, but unlike the time the Kommandos had the drop of the Rangers fell in the sight of the Machine God. UZ1 could feel her Machine Spirits quake under the pressure as she corrected what seemed to be hundreds of bullets going through the air. So few failed to hit their mark that while many of the attacks were absorbed by the Greenskin many others tore throats, hearts, and even brains from the unarmored horde that was approaching them. None however shall ignore the Armigers and Astartes as they both ripped into the horde. While the giant Squig and its rider were among the horde of creatures they still found targets in the many mechanical contraptions UZ1 never once saw before now. All of them, abominations to the Machine God, were quickly cut down by red hot lances of purifying energy. The Vanguard, who were standing before their armored cohort, had finished loading their enriched rounds into their chambers as the Orks finally reached them. With twelve guns firing the Skitarii sent ripped a hole into the endless tide of green that was rushing towards them. A few unlucky ones began falling to the ground as mushappened gunfire from the Orks turned their mechanical lives short but UZ1 knew their sacrifice was not in vain. Soon though the Orks were close and the guard was changed. The Skitarii moved themselves back and allowed the Astartes to move forward with their flamers up high. With a single depression of their triggers the flames danced into the crowd as bullets clanged off their armor. They were not invincible however, as UZ1 watched one of the astartes take a bullet and bleed from an exposed part of their armor. “WAAAGH!!! CHARGE DAMN YOU CHARGE!”UZ1 watched as the Squig riding Ork reappeared over the horde and began his approach with a sinister grin in his mouth. The creature, whatever he was, somehow planned that the moment the Orks crashed into the Astartes he would be there to shatter the front line. An action needed to be made. >Order the Armigers to charge!>Begin the rotation of gunfire, just like the Red Coats in Zulu. >Dangerous, but let's call in an Orbital Bombardment.
>>5322536>Begin the rotation of gunfire, just like the Red Coats in ZuluIt is best to avoid melee with orks.
>>5322536>Dangerous, but let's call in an Orbital Bombardment.Wanna know the benefits of:-Preference for energy weapons over kinetic munitions, and cognis munitions if kinetic?-Strapping extra armor onto everyone and giving them as much shrapnel and burn resistant metal as possible. With a lot of them already being resistant Acillians/Astartes, Disposable Servitors or Shield equipped skitarii-Ship crews who are basically half computer. Ground troops who are half computer. Real time targeting data uplink and laser guidanceThe calibrations and definitions of "Danger Close" become more precise by several degrees.Iron Warriors became famed for how their definitions of Danger Close were a lot closer than most. Let's beat em
>>5322565Imperial macrocannons are not particularly accurate in a space to orbit role, but for area saturation they don't really need to be. Lances are much better for hitting point targets, and our better cogitators and noospheric comms should help that accuracy even further. That being said, I'm in favor of volley fire on an infantry scale in this case as there are no superheavies or even proper vehicles for us to bother our friends in orbit over.>>Begin the rotation of gunfire, just like the Red Coats in Zulu.
>>5322580...orbit to ground, not space to orbit, I'm retarded.
>>5322536>Begin the rotation of gunfire, just like the Red Coats in Zulu.and>Dangerous, but let's call in an Orbital Bombardment.Rotating volley fire to keep the xenos stuck and unable to move from their position while we call upon a minor, emphasis on *minor*, orbital bombardment to take out the most concentrated pockets of xenos, whereafter our forces shall swoop in and eliminate the dregs of the xenos that survived. Should ensure the highest cost-efficiency of resources and lowest chance of potential fatalities among our soldiers/allies.
>>5322580Yes well fuck macrocannons.All of our metal homies hate macrocannons.Energy batteries all the way. On all our ships.And you better not be substituting the Machine Gods blessed autoloaders with hundreds of thousands of musclepower.
>>5322536>Begin the rotation of gunfire, just like the Red Coats in Zulu. Quick become lobster back
Btw Rotation of Gunfire is clearly "Galvanic Volley Fire" strategem, which make Galvanic Rifles act as Rapid Fire weapons (at half range)I wonder since this is 30k and we are the very wealthy Federation, down the line we could tweak some strategems and rules to be a little bit better than our 40k counterparts. To represent Talos investments into improving the weapons and supplies of his men. Kinda Solar Auxilia are better and have special rules over an equal size 40k IG. Normally Skitarii can only use Galvanics as their primary squad weapon (no more than 3 special weapons for a squad of 9 skitarii or less, or 1 special weapon for a squad of 10 or more skitarii). Imagine if we could arm, at least our elite skitarii we assign to UZ1, with Transuranic Arquebuses instead of Galvanics! Or at least maybe our "Talosian Galvanic Volley" works at long range (exactly like Tau's "Relenteless Fusilade" strategem)Still if QM prefers to stay purely to 40k rules I'm cool with that too. As much as I would like our boys to be kitted out with as much drip and bling as possible, volley fire is cool.But reliance on our emphasis on Void Supremacy and Machine God blessed accuracy is better!
>>5322536>Begin the rotation of gunfire, just like the Red Coats in Zulu.Time to channel the british. Just remind the marines that they can't complain because the dynasty is german.
>>5322536>Dangerous, but let's call in an Orbital Bombardment.
>>5322629well if we go that road we should consider crusade rules and how units get better as they gain experience (showcased as shinier guns)about my vote, I didn't knew the fight was taking place outside the dome... >Dangerous, but let's call in an Orbital Bombardment.THE MORE DESTRUCTION THE BETTER
>>5322629Don't the Questor Imperialis also get special rules and buffs from that book?Could be useful for Frederick and Alexander.
>>5322536>beginning rotation of gunfire
>>5322629Funny enough, thats how the strat worked originally before GW nerfed it to be Heavy 3 (Meaning full range), then reversed their nerf back to RF 2. Also, I use the 40k tabletop since there is a few units there that no one who reads just lore would know about. Like those who read just lore never hear about the Ironstrider Ballistarii unless they read one specific Admech book.
>>5323070I always headcanon those and sydonian dragoons as being based on the same STC as Sentinel walkers
>>5323108Yes and no. I actually think someone found one of Perty's perpetual motion machines and stuck it to a sentinel.
>>5323070>>5323108>>5323119Are those the goofy machine horses things the skitarii use? Because I really like how they look.
>>5323158Not the horse ones, those are the Sulphur Hounds. We are talking about the chicken walkers.
>>5323174I put them into the same category, funny looking robot mounts for skitarri dragoons.The salt in /tg/ when it launched was amazing, with a bunch of threads on how it wasn't grimdark enough and the admech was ruined.
>>5323188It literally has a Skitarii surgically attached to the damn thing! Idiots.
>>5323070Fair enough. Though to be fair, there is stuff in the lore that doesnt show in tabletop that is really cool even if it wont provide mechanical quest benefit so much as fluff, like the Cult of the Microomnissiah and that nanotech we want so badly as a stopgap for real necrodermis. If you're actually rolling tabletop dice behind the scenes and Necrodermis doesnt add a point of wound or toughness but just let's us say cool stuff like "Talos metallic flesh heals at an astonishing rate but-" I'd be happy with that too But yeah, lore cant show it all and only might show snippets . Having just finished Twice Dead King: Reign, I have learned of a wonderous unit called the Hexmark Destroyer who has fantastic rules like "Inescapable Death" which provides amazing ranged accuracy and overwatch bonuses and "Multithreat Targeting" which allows you to fire at another model if you kill one. Talos Six arms arent just for punching but also for gun slinging! And his shoulders. And mechadendrites.If he fights in battle as a character again, do you think he could benefit from such rules? Or would you just have him copy Guillimans statblock and rules.
>>5323216it's a servitor that is used as a computer for the legs to stay upright. I think they don't live long and have to be replaced soon
>>5323225Stat wise I would assume he has more attacks than their brothers and more guns to fire at once. Guilliman only shoots with this hand-gun thing and that's it but talOS will shoot with this volkite and his stubber and his melta and his plasma...I really don't know how to not to make talos be just better at everything lmao. On that regard, I do not know to how to diferentiate toughness from wound saves. Which one is the armor? Armor Penetration worsens the wound save roll so I guess that's it, but then what is thoughness...
>>5323420Turns out that being the Primar/k/h on top of being the Machine /g/od's chosen has its benefits.
>>5323216>>5323414No matter how grimdark the fluff is, their appearence is somewhat foofy, so it means they have no SOVL or whatever other dumb argument. Which is something that I never understood considering staple 40k models, like orks or even some over the top imperial ones.But I guess it's just that you can't please everyone, so there will always be someone making outrage threads on every release.
>>5323704Yeah, some people don't really realize that everything can't have spikes. Those are reserved for specifically certain Chaos Factions and those who use 3d printers with 10x the detail.
Rotating Fire>>5322545>>5322588>>5322630>>5322960Orbital Bombardment>>5322580>>5322643'I was two for one'>>5322582
>>5323707my only proplem with it is the lack of protection for the skitarii (both of them). at least give the man a canopy.
>>5323723My 55322580 was actually a vote for rotating fire, check the greentext. I was just discussing the pros and cons of different types of orbital bombardment while pointing out there were no vehicle targets here worth wasting skyfire on.
>>5323773Oops, I even saw that and noted it. Sorry bout that.
>>5323723.... man, i am the only one that wanted to combine options.Sad
Supplementary audio material for reading (optional)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRtnWVvDX6k
>>5322648you break my heart QM, what about my vote>>5323723>>5323723
>>5323805Look man, I fucked up. I really could not care less since the result was obvious and seem to be suffering from that.
The rampaging Orks were quickly crossing the field as the Vanguard fired as many bullets as their Carbines were able. The sound of metal clangs from drained batteries and munitions rang in UZ1’s ear as she had to think fast. +Rangers, go into Volley Formation and wait for my call.+ She told them over the Noosphere as she clicked her systems, “Astartes and Vanguard begin falling back. Avoid contact unless it is absolutely necessary.” Upon her words the groups called upon began going in reverse. The Astartes in good order began backing away while preparing their chainswords for what they clearly thought to be an intimate fight. The Vanguard, knowing what was about to happen, quickly moved behind the Rangers to their effective range so that they did not disrupt what was about to occur. As all the pieces were in place UZ1 raised her hand to which half of the Rangers did so with their guns. She watched as the Orks came crashing towards her in such a way that a great many of them were accidently their own allies under their feet. Brutal it was, she watched and waited for the moment to come. +FIRE!+ She blared out in an eruption of gunfire. The Rangers quickly emptying their weapons to the greatest extent they could possibly do before the entire group had their weapons click at the same moment. +ROTATE!+ She declared as the firing Skitarii fell back and allowed the ones who were standing behind them to bear their weapons, +FIRE!+ Like the many times before the Rangers were dumping most of their munitions into the Horde. This time though UZ1 realized she was going to be running out of munitions to commit this tactic making it likely the last moment. The firing was just enough though. The encroachment of Orks slowed to a stop as their bodied began piling up on top of one another. The Astartes who were preparing themselves to fight in melee were now taking out their flamers and setting the corpse pile aflame. “YOU GITS!” Yelled the head of the mob as he came rocketing through the horde, “GET AT EM!”The Squig gave a mighty roar as it came running at full speed and destroying the piles of flaming corpses. The laughter of the Ork rocketed across the field as they came towards them. He did not make it much further as the air was quickly lit up as a divine act by the Machine God.
The Orkish Warlord, no longer covered by his horde, was now out in the clear open to those who had been waiting for this moment vehemently. The Heavy Weapon Marines allowed their weapons to bark. Several beams of red light making clear holes into the Squig’s hide that left the great creature seemingly stunned at the sheer damage it was inflicted with. Moments later four lances crossed the field and sliced into the creature at various bits with a brutal efficiency that one could only grant to cold calculcated murder. The Armigers, who gave the supporting fire, blared their horns in triumph as they quickly began rushing towards their heavily wounded prey. They did not have the chance though as a barrage of Volkite and radium fire came crashing into the flesh of both rider and steed. The Volkite dug deep and caused many parts of the creature to become something more resembling a stain on the ground than a living Ork. Somehow though UZ1 could tell it was still alive even after all that punishment. So she raised her Plasma gun and sent a ball of plasma through the Ork’s head. With their warlord dead, just as the doctrine of the Imperium states, the Orks quickly began their route with cries of their boss’s death. UZ1 watched a few stray shots from the Astartes fire off but none moved from their position. Within a moment she scanned the area and noted that even though they won and kept the enemy away there were still casualties. While among the Rangers were few the Astartes and Acillians both lost a battle brother each to stray gunfire. Such was the cost of using them as walls against the incoming gunfire. Both had begun moving themselves next to the bodies of their fallen as they tried to figure out what they needed to do. UZ1 was already finely aware of what was needed when one of the Astartes moved up to her, “Adept UZ1, we need assistance recovering the geneseed of our brother. Permission to carry his corpse with us until an apothecary can be retrieved.”UZ1 only gave a shaking of the head as she began approaching the body, “I have learned quite a few things from TalOS. I have already reviewed your anatomy and will retrieve it myself.” The Astartes seemed stunned for a moment as she spoke those words. Instead of bawking or demanding that only an Astartes could do so he went to the side, “Do what needs to be done, Adept UZ1”UZ1 simply gave a nod as she looked over to see the Acillians already digging into their brother to retrieve the genecore that TalOS had installed in each of them.
It was a semi-bloody affair as she used her mechanrites to tear into the body of the Astartes. So many pieces of his anatomy were trying to keep what was a dead body alive for no reason than because it was their making. The armor had already been discarded as she took out a combat knife and began digging deeply into the flesh. Quickly she found the black carapace, an item that she understood covered the entire chest. She took a brief moment to consider her method of attack in noting that the Astartes had their entire torso covered in the material. She should have assumed a moment like this would happen and take the tools necessary for its retrieval, but that was foolish. With her knowledge she took out her Plasma and began sending a series of shots into specific places of the Torso. The Astartes did not even flinch as they watched their dead brother systematically butchered by priests of the Machine Cult. Though she noticed many of them turning away to take stock of the battlefield and watch if the Orks were to return. With several points made it was easy for UZ1 to tear off the Black Carapace from the body. Like some demented skinning of a beast she was given a first hand experince in a still working body of an Astartes that even now would not stop operating. It was sad though since none of this wondercraft could prevent a cut through the neck into the nerves in the spine. +Decarii, I need a container.+ UZ1 called out to the highest ranking Acillian while examining the geneseed that was now before her. Within seconds of being called out he was next to her carrying the genecore of his brother in his hands with another capsule ready to take the item. She slipped it into the jar and heard the Machine Spirit give an affirmation of containment. The Task was over, and for a moment she realized that she enjoyed the moment of battlefield surgery to take her mind off the previous fight. +Sir Tech Priest.+ The Knight called out as he noticed her finishing the embalming of the Astartes, +I have finished our entry.+ UZ1 stood up as he said those words, her clothes barely stained by the dark crimson blood of superhuman and Ork, +We move forward!+ >Find whatever is maintaining this force field. >Break open whatever is holding back the other forces>Find and kill the highest ranking Ork in the area.
>>5323817>Break open whatever is holding back the other forces
>>5323814>Yelled the head of the mob as he came rocketing through the hordeAh, a figure of speech. Since this are orks we are talking about, I thought the ork was riding a rocket... funny image in my head I tell you
>>5323817>>Find and kill the highest ranking Ork in the area.Strike Team 1 let's gooooo
>>5323817>Break open whatever is holding back the other forcesWe are out of ammo in our skitarii forces and have lost a sizeable amount of our compliment of troops, reconvening and resupllying in both material and manpower is the most optimal path.
>>5323833But can we do it with no bullets in our weapons?............ WAIT! this is the orks!.... We might actually be able to shoot at them if we make them believe we still have bullets to spare. Can't have a proper scrap' if you'z don't 'ave no bulletz, zee? Soe's of course the other gits are gonna' 'ave bulletz! Perfect Logic!
>>5323838
>>5323817>>Break open whatever is holding back the other forces
>>5323817>Find and kill the highest ranking Ork in the area.Assassin training please. UZ1 may be less likely to be assassinated if she herself becomes one.
"This time though UZ1 realized she was going to be running out of munitions">>>>running out of munitionsHERESY. Running out of ammunition amidst the blessed plenty of Machine God's bounty and the Lucian Federation is a grievous logistical sin we have yet to solve.This is why energy weapons are so much better.>>5323838If we could only call down a flock of Vulterax or Drop Pods to bring ammunition. Or maybe invent archaotech magazines that use lucian teleportation to reload ammo from ship vaults.Behold! A Dark Age Federation Energy-to-Mass Ammunition Synthesizer.
>>5323817>Break open whatever is holding back the other forces>>5324369Maybe seeing how Orks never have ammo problems despite being an inferior race will be such an insult, it will inspire Talos to action.
>>5322629There is an actual Taghmata Omnissiah redbook that is exactly what you are asking for dude. I suggest you read it. There's PDF's out there. I barely even seen the word "Taghmata" used in this quest at all, so I'm under the assumption QM wants to primarily use modern Adeptus Mechanicus + Space Marines 40k armylists even if this takes place in 30k. Unless he lets him invent the idea of a unified Taghmata.Not to mention Liber Mechanicum may drop sometime in August. Whether or not QM even intends to touch it remains to be seen.
>>5323817>Find and kill the highest ranking Ork in the areaYou know, I wonder how lorgar would take to our very obvious and borderline heretical zeal. We can get along with Russ well enough but lorgar is overly emotional and irrational, so he might not gel well despite sharing the common trait of going to sunday school
>>5324713Any semblance of decency even if Talos tries to be nice and reasonable to Lorgar, will be shattered by the Emperor's hypocrisy of forbidding the Imperial Cult but endorsing the Cult Mechanicus. Lorgar will seethe about how this is only true because the Mechanicus is too big to suppress with the Imperial Truth.And he would be right.
>>5324731Yupp, i kinda get the feeling that he will have a massive personal grudge to pick with TaL0S after he converts to hell worship. Maybe that will even overwrite his hate boner for Guilliman, so that he tours the Lucian federation genociding everything instead of Ultramar.
>>5324731 but would he still do that is talOS also turned traitor?[/apoiler]
QM wouldn't give us those options if we didn't had the resources to perform them.
>>5324749I mean at this point its obvious most want to go loyalist. It was actually really early on when the chance was given and was rejected.
Open the gates!>>5323823>>5324432>>5323835>>5323855>>5324349Kill the highest ranking Ork>>5323833>>5324367>>5324713
>>5324978yeah at this point the only way TaL0S would ever turn traitor is if the emperor threatened the mechanicum itself and even then we would go renegade instead of chaos traitor.
Renegade stuff sucks... all you want is to be left alone and everyone loses their shit because of it
The engines of the Knights and Armigers roared as they were now within the city itself. The sound of Thermal Cannons and Lances breaking through the air was the preamble to the destruction of several buildings that were around them. Unlike the Shanty that they had traveled before the buildings were all different sizes and shapes. It was evident that the Greenskin, upon taking the settlement, had begun turning the entire place into their own twisted masterpieces of insanity. Thus to UZ1 it was a simple thing. The complete destruction of the city with all the ordinance that could be afforded to such a task. Buildings that must have been thirty stories in height were brought down with the fury of the Machine God. The Orks who were running under them to get to the rampaging Knights were buried under a mountain of rubble that could only be scaled with an hour’s work. That however made no mention of the amount of dust and debris that was kicked out from the collapse of such massive pieces of infrastructure. UZ1 had depended on all of this as she made sure her mask was secured upon her face. In the moments when the Orks were to catch wind of the Knights instead of a fight they were buried under feet of concrete. With the massive clouds and the continued falling of buildings across the entire city the Orks were deprived of almost all sense. They continued their way through the smoke clouds that now covered the landscape. UZ1 having the Skitarii employ Omnispex readers to guide them through the debris. The Knights did not need to worry about such things, arcane technology giving them senses closer to that of an Omnispex than that of a mortal man. Through the cover UZ1 noticed their distance to the main force and called out over the Vox, “We are closing in on our Target! Lex Gavros I ask that you hold your fire so that we can regain sight!” +I understand!+ Cheered the Knight in a joyful tone that could only come from someone who finally got to do what they’ve always wanted to do. So they traveled forward, UZ1 keeping her cloak tight as the dust slowly began to settle upon the ground.
They left the dust with the fury of gunshots, as there was no other way for them to welcome the Greenskin. Orks were barreling with and by their sides, UZ1 making sure they were the first to die so that retaliation would be delayed by just that little bit more. It was then that she registered the structure that was before them. She could not help but blink for a moment as she started at the stupidity of the structure. The original design of the city had a massive crystalline drop gate that was maintained with some sort of weird sorcery that kept it up. What she was looking upon was no longer a massive masterpiece but instead a haphazard creation that could only have been made from the mind of an Ork. First, the drop down gate was no longer held upright but was instead jagged at an angle. Likely when the Orks first attacked this place the gate had fallen, but through mishap became jammed into the surrounding walls. This caused it to be still lifted but also the top was high enough to allow Orks to safely drop down into the battle below. How the Orks got up there, well, a giant ramp of course!“All heavy weapons target that ramp!” UZ1 declared as she gestured towards the construct. With their objective made, the Astartes and Knights began pouring their gunfire into the target. While it was still some distance away it was made in such a ramshackle way that it did not take much damage to start bringing it down. The sounds of metal cracking under the pressure of a thousand Orks still running across it being shot was the first sign that they were having some effect. Of course by declaring their existence via Heavy Weapons fire the Orks had begun changing direction to charge them but it was not enough to save their lives. The ramp, massive in its creation, buckled. Just like the destruction that was caused before the falling of the platform caused an immense amount of smoke to run across the city. All around them instinctively covered their eyes as the massive cloud of dust covered them. But the job was done, and within a minute of the Orkish tide drying up the broken gate that was keeping out the Mechanicum had several pieces of itself shatter and crumble. As UZ1 regained her sight she watched as millions of Skitarii began spilling from the recently opened wound and the true slaughter of the Orks began. The city and thus the planet were won. >Astartes hanging out while building a fortress. >Cleaning up the wretched >Time passing on the Blackstone Fortress.
>>5325038>Astartes hanging out while building a fortress.
Victory! We drove the Orks out of Space and down upon the planet, where by we hemmed them by the droves into their capital and, perhaps because of its shielding or perhaps because after the damage done to Lucius we wanted more personal revenge, rather than simply bombard them to dust we went in and killed them all.A fine first battle. But this was not the Capital of the Orkish Sector, nor was this their main Warboss, and so there will be more battles to be fought. Let us save the celebrations for then.>>5325038>Time passing on the Blackstone Fortress.More UZ1 and Talos moments perhaps, or some important breakthrough's
>>5325038>Astartes hanging out while building a fortress. (Imperial Fists and 2nd Legion) >Cleaning up the wretched (Prince Fredrick) >Time passing on the Blackstone Fortress. (TalOS)
>>5325046Did Prince Alexander get a chance to earn some major glory or is he still chasing after Fredrick's tail?
>>5325048Well, when I write about them you will find out.
Well that's convinced me.>>5325045Switch to>Cleaning up the wretched (Prince Fredrick)
>>5325038>Time passing on the Blackstone Fortress.
>>5325038>Astartes hanging out while building a fortress.Time for german engineering jokes.
>>5325046>Astartes hanging out while building a fortress. (Imperial Fists and 2nd Legion)The wall builders and the gunners, a natural combination. They should start with extracting all of those psychic crystals on the Blackstone Fortress to be neutralized.
>>5324978Oh no, I'm not delusion. Chaos is for losers and nobody actually knows what chaos wants other than to dab on big E. It's only natural for quests to steer towards the imperials, and often times more funBut what if though >>5325046>>Astartes hanging out while building a fortress (Imperial Fists and 2nd Legion)
>>5325038>>Astartes hanging out while building a fortress.
Does the QM play Horus Heresy or will we see 30k stuff in the game?
>>5325038Astartes hanging out while building a fortress
>>5325359I need to do research since I don't play Horus Heresy stuff. Though from my understanding they do not have Stratagems and the like but keywords.
>>5325364Keywords that tie back to universal special rules, as it was in 7th.
>>5325385Yup, if you ever wanted to know where Feel No Pain came from thats where.
>>5325364I'm very excited for that QM. To me the 30k Taghmata is like Mechanicus +1. They get all the coolest toys and gear.I think it makes sense if we aren't using that stuff right now and resemble more 40k Admech, because it is the early days. Maybe it comes later on as we unite the galaxy. Myrmidion Secutarii of the Myrmidion Auxilia for example, come from the Calixis Sector. Imagine Techpriests who enjoy melee combat and make it their speciality. Maybe one day Talos could be seen as the Father of the Taghmata, with the Federation as its shining example. 30k also has some cool stuff like:-A much expanded Legio Cybernetica with all kinds of robots beyond Kasetellans-Total integration of Civilian and Mechanicus, rather than separation of Machine Church and State. I.e. Archmagos Intendant's instead of Planetary Governors-The Ordo Reductor-Just the Mechanicum generally being seen as being of a higher calibre than the Mechanicus. Kind of like how Legions are thought to be more advanced than Chapters even if you put them all together, not simply being bigger but having more functional dark age equipment and the oversight of their Primarch
Hanging out with Astartes>>5325043>>5325068>>5325153The Prince>>5325053Time Passes>>5325056>>5325058>>5325237Lets hang out with Astartes. We've had plenty of time with TalOS already.
>>5326104Did you count it wrong QM? You put mine and another that said to hang out as time passes
>>5326161You see, what happened was I was looking at the last word 'Fortress' and assigning them as is. You are correct but that does not change what we view.
>>5326164No problem QM, I just got confused when I noticed it.
The Imperial Fist looked up at the fortress that was sent down from the ships above. The amount of work that still needed to be done was daunting but it was something that he could not help. The Mechanicum had of course done most of the hard work already. With those thoughts he looked down at the massive amount of battlements that were being built around the fortress. Around five percent of them were made by the work crew that he was operating with and the rest by his brothers in other groups. With a simple stroke of the shovel he gave another tug and sent the dirt flying into the Servitor driven wheelbarrow that he had been given. It was good work. Something that he hoped if their gene-father were to ever see, he would be proud of them. A simple desire. Something that he knew crept in the bone of all Astartes who have yet to meet their Primarchs. With another strike of the shovel he felt the soft clang of a stone. “I need a stone excavated.” Declared the Fist as he looked over at the black armored 2nd Legionnaire. The blackened armor gave a nod which drew the attention of the Fist towards the red splotch that was upon the top of his head. That was something that all 2nd Legionnaires that attended this campaign have placed upon themselves. A mark of honor that they shared with their new half-brothers. The red mark of the Mechanicus Crusader. The Fist stepped out of the way as the other Astartes kneeled upon the ground and lifted a Lascannon on his shoulder. He could hear the acute sounds of a power-up as the weapon was held perfectly still towards the stone that was against them. Soon the laser came out with a forceful striking that dug through both dirt and stone. The weapon did not act like it would have in combat, instead giving a continuous ray of power that dug into the stone at three and a half metrics a second. The Fist was cleanly aware of las weapons being dialable like that of the Lasgun. But he had never used such weapons in his life. He had to admire what was occuring before him though. Yes he was a novice in special weapons but the ease and skill that the 2nd Legionnaires presented was always admirable. He himself preferred a trowel in the hand but seeing such works like this…
The laser soon calmed down with a faint shimmer as the Astartes bent down to the weapon and began doing something to it. The Fist was already walking towards the now faintly shimmering pile of sludge as he noticed the other Astartes place his hands together. “A prayer?” He asked as he stopped dead in his own tracks. “As was instructed to me by Brother Kemler.” The Astartes said as he did a few swift actions to the machine’s mechanisms. The Fist could have pondered to himself. To make assumptions about the situation that would surely have been correct. To a more social adept this would have been a more clear option that provided less issue. He was not one of them however, “Prayer is against the Imperial Truth.” “Our Primarch has ordered us to do so.” Such a steadfast answer and straight to the point. Something the fist gave a small frown to, “And your thoughts?” “In what respect?” “Professional. When we start our work we will move onto personal.” The black armored astartes gave a subtle nod as he continued his work, “The Cult Mechanicus has been helpful in our efforts and our access to new gene pools have proved promising. It was the Emperor’s verdict to grant us to our Sire and I understand it to be the right decision.” “Will we continue to see you over the Crusade?” “We were given information about Auxilia. Our Father does not contain more ambitions outside of destroying the Mitu and Orks after which he will likely support the Imperial Effort with this newly conquered land as a base of operations.” “So ultimately this will endeavor to support the Imperium of Mankind.” “As in accordance with the Treaty of Olympus it will. The Emperor was correct in his assessment that by giving our Primarch and his faith a Legion, he will get many times the value in needed firepower.” The Astartes began to rise as a distinct click came from the Lascannon. With a subtle smile the Fist presented to his cousin a shovel. Said shovel was accepted with purpose as the two of them moved over to the hot sludge left behind by the Lascannon.
The Fist could feel his muscles work as they lifted amounts many times more than a man should have been able to. Such a thing was necessary as for every second they waited the material that was stone once before would become solid and would require another round of lasfire to clear. The two of them made good time as they rushed the work as fast as they could. By the shovel full they were picking up more and more solid stone but the Fist estimated they would be five minutes over from when the stone would require another carving. With the material being as hot as it was they could not employ the use of the Servitor and instead threw it over the side. They needed to be careful to clear the other workers that were around them but the two Astartes were not too worried. With experience within their muscles they had no trouble disposing of the material. Knowing that he was clear, the Fist began to speak once again, “What is your personal assessment?” He was welcomed with silence as the 2nd Legionnaire continued his work. It was obvious the Astartes were thinking about what exactly those thoughts even were for the most part. The Fist could not blame them. His mind was focused on other things. Like many of the other Legions the 2nd Legion held a sense of aggression within their genes. In other Legions this was much more pronounced, such as the twelfth that would be called butchers by the 1st when they were back on Terra being trained. Unlike the Twelfth that allowed their anger to flow freely the 2nd did not dare to do so. It was not Anger, to say, but what was a clear sign of battlelust that each of their Legionnaire’s had within themselves. He could feel it whenever the Astartes pulled the trigger on their firearm and turned whatever was before them into molten material. It did not matter if it was human or xenos to them. Their skill however was appreciated and how they managed to keep their desires down was something the Fist could admire. Such a thing simply meant that if you ask a 2nd Legionnaire something that was not about war they needed to ponder it for the need for such thoughts never crossed their minds.“For my personal assessment we have come out ahead as a Legion.” Declared the Astartes finally after the two came close to finishing their work. >So the benefits of leaving the Imperial Truth were worth such poison? >Is that because you have your Primarch? >Would that likely be the increase in numbers thanks to your new brothers?>Elaborate Further.
>>5326287Sorry no real jokes yet. This is a conversation between two Legions that have the mightiest stick up their asses.
>>5326287>So the benefits of leaving the Imperial Truth were worth such poison? Local Ad-mech Primarch sparks HH by being good machine god follower.
>>5326287>So the benefits of leaving the Imperial Truth were worth such poison?I'm a bit on the fence; but either this causes a legion rivalry or nips a potential problem in the bud. So it's a win win
>>5326287>Elaborate Further.
>>5326281Glorious mining lasers!But to think, 10,000 years from now some half-tyranid fools are going to think these things give them any chance against Custodes. . .>>5326284" The Emperor was correct in his assessment that by giving our Primarch and his faith a Legion, he will get many times the value in needed firepower."Yes YES. That is EXACTLY what we were hoping to accomplish. Congrats guys, we've just avoided having ourselves get Lorgar'd! At least for now. Poor Lorgar will only be able to seethe that building cathedrals is not as productive as building factories to worship in through work. I think using work as a form of worship also fits our Germanic nature well.
>>5326287>Would that likely be the increase in numbers thanks to your new brothers?So we're choosing what question the fist has for the 2nd Legionaire and likely what response he will give.I want to say our numbers are the biggest thing going for us. Every legion will eventually find their Primarch, and many will not entirely agree with the Imperial Truth.But we're the only legion to have a Primarch who invented and brought his own space marines before the Emperor even met him. Who gave him the green light to continue to make his Acillians.NO other Legion will ever be able to match us in this.That is why we are the II Legion. We make TWO types of super-soldiers instead of one.
>>5326287>>Elaborate Further.
>>5326467Speaking of the Ancillians, that's probably going to be a big contention point with a lot of our brothers if they ever find out the truth of it.Like Fulgrim for example, who has a big complex over his fucked up geneseed, would be desperate for an imporved marine formula. Or Sanguinius, who's marines are plagued by mutation. Or Magnus, who would probably like to up the number of psykers among his sons. Or Lorgar, who would hate that TalOS is getting special treatment once again.On second thought, maybe we should actually consider spreading knowledge of the Ancillians
>>5326753If anyone has the knowledge to tackle those besides the Emperor himself, it's Talos. But Talos also tries to be efficient by minimizing the number of geneseeds in favor of technology. Which might not appeal to all.I ponder the anger of our sons and if that's our flaw. Does Talos know about it, or are they still hiding it from him. Why? Wonder what's the source. Talos isn't normally an indiscriminately angry person, just against his enemies but knows his friends. I've always thought Talos as the type to say "come to me with your problems, a techpriest is not here to judge but to repair". We are not Perturabo or Curze. If anything, it is potentially worthy of praise.Both anger, and control of anger, are things the Admech looks favorable upon at times. How many servitors or mortal auxilia are we tasked by the Imperium with installing aggression boosters, chemo implants, rage hypnotics, in the hopes of making them more effective killing machines? How many Techpriests and skitarii do we encourage to take upon emotional cores and limbic vaults to contain their emotions when it interferes with their duty? I imagine even our Acillians are not forbidden these things, though we don't encourage it as we don't think they need it and value initiative. But if it becomes a genuine problem that interfers with their work I don't think 2nd Legionaires are forbidden from taking the implants they want.Even Krieg will one day requests implanting emotional dullers onto their mass produced soldiers.We could very well attempt to develop astartes scale emotional vaults, so that when fighting xenos they may righteously unleash their anger, and when the fighting is over or when delicacy is needed as with humans, they may turn it on.. If they so wish. But if anything, they already follow the sacred method of vaulting their emotions without even the use of technology. A pious trait. .If we are able to develop that, we might have at least something like a solution to Sanguineous problems too if we ever learn about it. Probably not, but still. We just need to see what this anger is all about. Comprehend what the problem is. Sooner than later I hope Talos will earn the trust of his sons to tell him.
>>5326287>Would that likely be the increase in numbers thanks to your new brothers?
>>5326753Magnus also has to deal with the whole curse thing that Tzeentch was doing to get him to fall.Unfortunaly he is to proud to ask for help.
>>5326753I think you are misunderstanding what the other Primarch would think. Fulgrim, who you claim is trying to fix his corrupt Geneseed, thought the exact opposite. When Fabious Bile asked his Primarch if he could improve the Legion's Geneseed Fulgrim replied, "Why would you attempt to fix it when it was made by the Emperor. If it was made by the Emperor, it was perfect." This is how most of the Primarchs think. Even Horus, when Warmaster corrupted by Chaos, rationalized that the Emperor's plan was going according to plan up until his betrayal. He just thought that the Emperor was going to kill him and 9 of his brothers in a culling that would be wiped from Imperial records. Thus his glory would never be remembered. After all, the Emperor did this twice before already.
>>5326937Likely if TalOS messes with the Geneseed there will be issues. Many of the more Dogmatic Legions will look at it as a sign that he has gone fundamentally mad. Other more pragmatic Primarchs will look at it with curiosity but never employ it on their own sons.
>>5326941It's a good thing with the we have our own Acillian© Geneseed's we homebrewed we can tweak as much as we please. They can't blame us for messing with the Emperor's formula if it's our formula!DISCLAIMER: Any resemblances to the Astartes Formula are purely coincidental. All 2nd Legion products as the propriety of Talos Incorporated™Also for Talos' face, do you want it to look like a classic Knight's head? There's a variety of Questor Mechanicus heads out there. I'm fond of the one that looks a little bit like a Cron Skull
>>5326941I am quite sure TaL0S would have realized that at this point as well, so coupled with the fact that he is and will be quite busy with fully combining his legion and the cursade its just not the time to actually improve it even if he was capable of it. Although writing down issues with it and possible solutions would be in character i think.
>>5326960Titan. Its a TITAN's headpiece. Technically this would be the one since this is the Lucian Pattern Titan Mask.
>>5326968Its not the best looking one though. I prefer Mar's.
>>5326937He does seem to change his mind somewhat on Byzas later in the war at least>Fabius hesitated. 'My progress has been limited. It is not an outside agent but an... an internal flaw.' He fell silent. Fulgrim studied him.>'A flaw in the candidates?' he asked finally.>Fabius said nothing. Fulgrim turned away. The Apothecary's silence had been answer enough. The viral blight that afflicted their gene-seed was still a danger. A time bomb, ticking away within the cells of each of his sons. Even those born of Chemos were not immune to the malignant imperfection. The gene-seed was drawn from him; did that mean that the flaw was also his?>Once, such a thought would have been inconceivable. But now, it seemed all too possible. Fulgrim's hand clenched about Fireblade's hilt. He longed to draw his sword, to chop apart the apothecarium and all that it contained. To deny it, and in his denial, obliterate any hint of the danger to his sons.Turns out as much as you want to pretend everything's perfect, it still sucks ass when your sons keep dying to a blight when they are supposed to "know no sickness" and you're reduced to a husk of a legion. Especially when its sort of unspoken this definitely was not the Emperor's design.Treating it like a "Virus" rather than a flaw seems to be how he got around it. The Emperor's design wasn't flawed, they're just being afflicted by a virus.But I have 0 belief that Fulgrim will openly admit such weakness to his brothers and not keep it secret to Bile, which is pretty much what he says in Palatine Phoenix>Chemos had taught him that it was best to have the right man for the right Job
>>5326969>>5326969Ye got it!>>5326963As I said earlier, Talos is an efficient man. Why bother with the messy tweaking of Genes that as a Genetor he knows is a pain in the ass, when you can accomplish a lot more with technology.Stronger muscles? Faster limbs? Bah! Just get bigger robot arms and legs.
>>5326970What book was this in? I know there is no outright genetic flaw with the only real thing to harm their Astartes was the geneseed contamination that hit a large amount of their Legion.
>>5326973This was the first of the series I listened to. Great book, there's lots of awesome moments in it. Actually this whole series has been fun to read.If you'd like I'd gift it to you I have a couple of audible/kindle credits.From the Wiki:>It was discovered that a fast acting viral blight had suddenly infected several of the gene-seed vaults on Terra, its cause and origin unknown. The Bio-Magi of the Mechanicum tasked with overseeing the gene-stocks feverishly sought to hold it in check as its progress threatened to wipe out in a matter of solar hours what had taken a century to build, but the doubtlessly artificial, and many surmised xenos, infection defied treatment, and it was only the intervention of the Emperor's own peerless bioengineering genius that was to purge the taint.>While many Legions suffered losses from this attack from an unknown quarter, the blight was found to have destroyed the remaining gene-seed stock of the IIIrd Legion in its entirety. From that moment the IIIrd Legion began to die.>While other Legions grew in size and glory as the Great Crusade gathered pace, the IIIrd Legion withered. The only way it could replace losses was from the Progenoid Glands of the dead. Without the Legion's Primarch, the Emperor and His gene-wrights could only rebuild the IIIrd Legion's gene-seed reserves with painful slowness.
>>5326990Thats not what you were referring to before, and if it is then you are incorrect. The Virus attack was before Fulgrim came back and he brought back the legion with his personal genetic code.
>>5326972 Frankly if the second legion's space marines aren't going to use anything but a few torso organs and the brain, why stick to the image of the other legions? Wouldn't it be more practical to create a uniform body for each member of the legion based on one of the older models of Terminator armor? It would just need some mobility modifications but, I don't think it would be a problem for the Primarch.
>>5326994From reading the aforementioned book I believe the implication was that the 3rd legion was still being affected Blight and this was deemed to be the 'flaw' because none of the other legions suffered so thoroughly and so mercilessly from it. Even when other legions were already well and truly over it or had purged it, it was still a danger to them.The "ticking time bomb" as it were when they should have been over it.The book Chiurgion supposedly has more info, I'll see if I can find it.Also evidently, even worse, before the blight itself a large shipment of 3rd Legion was lost in transit in one of the Fabius Bile novels. This ended up being the work of Trazyn.
>>53270103rd Legion Geneseed*
>>5327003We will most likely get some sort of Legion unification action, but probably not until at least after the war. We are using this war for data collection on the strengths and weaknesses of our acillians and astartes.
>>5327010I think you're missing the point.If Fulgrim is found and is able to make new "perfect" geneseed, then why is it still showing up even on his men from Chemos who have the new geneseed coming from him.The implication then is that the virus is tied to Fulgrim himself somehow. And Fulgrim refuses to see that because it defies his idea that the Emperor's design for him was perfect.
>>5327017 This I understand, what I'm saying is that, if the objective of this campaign is to create the perfect form of combat for a legionnaire under Talos. The answer already exists, a "lighter" form of Terminator armor with the biological characteristics of a Dreadnought. In terms of protection and destructive capacity, this form would be invincible. Not to mention there would be little equipment in the galaxy that these warriors couldn't use.
>>5327039Oh I agree in that regard.And those aren't even as far as we can go. Imagine if we are able to figure out how the Olamic Quietude are able to make their robot bodies.Their Robusts were as large as Space Marines, and their Super Robusts were twice that size.
>>5327047 Unfortunately they can't be that big because otherwise they won't be able to fight in hallways. They are still, in theory, infantry.
>>5327039In terms of aesthetics let's base it on the saturnine pattern. It was developed during the Terran Unification War so it's been around for ages and let's face it, in warhammer one can never have too much pauldron armor
>>5326968But can we still eat and drink.
>>5327080Yes, the mouth piece can flip inwards like standard knight helm.
>>5327082Then I am happy.
>>5327070 Pauldrons? I'm seeing at least four modelable platforms, because you'll never have too many Las Cannons.
>>5327084Not a bad idea, maybe put some quick disconnects on there so you can swap out the lascannons for assault cannons, multi-meltas, volkite culverins, whatever the mission profile calls for
>>5327082Just put a straw through the gaps.
Poison upon the Imperial Truth>>5326343>>5326375Elaborate Further>>5326385>>5326614Increase in the number of brothers? >>5326467>>5326824>>5326912
>>5327101 With each passing sentence this conversation seems more about BattleTech than Warhammer... Although treating this new form as something made to be modular, or that each individual could modify their own "shell" would transform the second legion into a threat to the emperor himself, after all it would be an army without any weaknesses.
>>5327133Not a bad idea, standardization of some sort of interchangeable universal weapon mount like omnimechs use would do wonders for our force's logistics and versatility.
>>5327060You say that and yet in a lot of novels spaceships are conveniently large enough for dreadnoughts.That and half the time the hallways are too small for space marines, they just make their own "hallways" via their boarding actions with melta and cutters anywhoThankfully it seems, other than Eldar, every race seems to have an appreciation for scale. I don't think humans build em tiny anymore.
>>5327060Also we are twice the size of space marines and we haven't yet had a problem
>>5327198 You're right, but it's also very convenient that the size of the average space marine was never a serious issue in any media.
>>5327204Or the size of the average Ork for that matter."Stupid 'umie git. If da hallway iz too small fer yez, ya just make a bigga one! GET DA DRILL TRUKK UP 'ERE"
>>5326994I can vouch that the quotes from >>5326970 are from the Palatine Pheonix novel. He brought back the legion, but it was still being afflicted by the blight just not as intensely. Which part was incorrect?
“Is that because the population of brothers increased dramatically? As your Primarch has included several thousand more the Second Legion now stands third in total population numbers comparable only to the thirteenth and the sixteenth.” The Second Legionnaire shoveled more of the sludge out with a mighty lift. The liquid, which by now was closer to a solid than a liquid, splashed into a sheet of glass as it smacked the once soft ground. “Indeed that is a benefit to our Legion. Their numbers as well as our Father’s insistence in employing mortals has benefited our combat effectiveness beyond previous calculations were to suggest.” “Do you work well with them?” The Astartes gave a small chuckle as he heard those words, “We are two different breeds of man. The Acillians were built as the primary soldier of our Father and they embrace it. Ask any of them and they will tell you that their ultimate goal is to learn as much as they can about the material world.” “And yourselves?” “We are a different weapon, a different breed of superhuman that was built not to defend but dominate. We are given stimuli that accelerate our desires for fighting and have dozens of tools to augment our ability to fight.” The Astartes pointed out as he continued his work on the sludge, “Thus our base desire, what was bred into us, is the ultimate desire to make a good war.” “War is our duty but that does not keep us from building.” Declared the Fist as he waved a hand across the rows upon rows of battlements built for the coming conflict. “You are correct. We will need to learn to cope with it.” Answered the 2nd Legionnaire as he turned towards his fellow, “There is something else that was given to us when we met our Father. Mjorn Proxy 532. We have been drinking it as of late and it's settled many nerves.”
“Mjorn? Is that not the stuff the Wolfen Venrika consumes?” The Imperial Fist pointed out as his idyllic memory picked up the previous reference of the noun used. “It is.” The Legionnaire declared outright without much worry himself. “Our Father has modified the drink and proposed a new tradition between both breeds of his sons. The communal consumption of soft spirits.” “I have heard mortal auxilia doing that.” The Fist remembered as scenes of Imperial Army Soldiers philandering around talking around a series of bottles, “I do not see how that can be productive.” “My Father has decided that we need a time of rest. That even super-human bodies will start to lose their effectiveness as they work themselves to tire. By taking those moments of rest we will increase our hours of work several fold.” “And this can be accomplished by taking part in social exercises similar to an Itorator. That sounds like work in and of itself.”“It does not feel like it.” The Astartes claimed as he began finishing the last of the cleaning, “It is one of the few times where both Acillian and Astartes get together to converse. We do not feel companionship or brotherhood in the tasks we complete, but when we are together elaborating and contemplating our days I feel that brotherhood.” “So you equate that experience to that when we are both working on our fortifications?” “I believe that to be an adept analysis. I have extended the invitation if you so wish to test it out yourself.” The 2nd Legionnaire declared as he placed his shovel with the 7th Legionnaires. With those words the Astartes both gave one last heave. With a mighty toss the last of the sludge was sent flying to welcome their finished floor. They looked out into the line upon lines of battlements that had been constructed since the landing of the shuttle and the sheer volume of defenses. Above them the sky began to light as a massive Void Shield was placed over the entire battlefield. “I shall consider it and thank you for it.” The Fist replied as they continued working the ditch.
The Machine Spirit of Arch Angelus gave a soft simmer as the Prince looked out into the battlefield. The first thing he saw was the numerous pieces of debris falling out from the sky. Hundreds of different ship parts that were obviously of Greenskin making landed against the Void Shield that protected them. This was the moment that demonstrated the need for the Void Shields. Fredric had witnessed these machines of war protecting his own home but never did he see them in action as they were now. After all it was only Xenos that dropped from the sky and Dutonis had not seen an Alien invasion for the twenty years that he was alive. +Lord Magos Sicaran.+ He opened up a link to the Magos Dominus though the Noosphere link that was recently granted to him, +How goes the battle above.+ +High Magos Pteraxii is managing to keep the Orks managed and has reported drop points on the other side of the planet three hours and two minutes ago. We will expecting the Xenos to come towards the battlefield within thirty minutes.+ +Thank you, Lord Magos Dominus.+ With those words the Prince had cut the line from the network. He took one last glance over the battlefield. The Fortress stood upon one the highest mountains of the region and was backed up with a massive cliff to one of its sides. On the other side were the numerous battlements that were crafted into the soft ground and turned into study locations to face retaliation in. This here was the battlefield of the Knights. A clear slope that went down into a massive hill from which they were to face the Xenos. With their knowledge he turned back to his Household. The Knights belonging to house Borgius looked at him with a moment’s attrition as they awaited for the declarations from their Lord. Battleplans for the upcoming fight and a rousing speech that would help them face the coming horrors. He was bred and trained for it, but today Fredric felt as if he had truly found his calling. >Prepare as quick response units to Xenos Aggression. >Be on the front lines so they can be some of the first to fight. >Hang back and not allow his Knights to tire from what really is the preamble.
>>5327360>Hang back and not allow his Knights to tire from what really is the preamble.
>>5327360>Prepare as quick response units to Xenos Aggression.
>>5327360>>Be on the front lines so they can be some of the first to fight.THE GLORY IS ONLY AT THE THICK OF BATTLE, BROTHERS
>>5327360>Be on the front lines so they can be some of the first to fight.If this is the archangel, then it's house we have been making more agressive, while the other is becoming more tactical.
>>5327360>Be on the front lines so they can be some of the first to fight.
I was about to complay why there are so few votes but then I remembered gringos celebrate this day, so happy july 4th.
>>5327360>Be on the front lines so they can be some of the first to fight.>>5328192Whenever Talos actually goes spelunking on Terra, be neat if he'd learn about the ancient 'Merican empire. Also the origins of the Jermani.
Hang Back and wait for the coming>>5327362Quick Response Units>>5327367On the front lines>>5327412>>5327446>>5328236>>5327424While I do not mind it, I do wonder why votes went down in number. Probably because we have been away from TalOS for a week or everyone is on vacation.
>>5328332So I know it looked like a while back that you fellows were picking the Acatus Chassis for Fredric's Knight, but its the slowest and worst melee knight there is which defeats the original purpose of the other weapons. To still be fancy, I'll be making it the Cerastus Chassis.
>>5328333Hey QM, as long as it looks worthy of the Machine God and can fight well in melee for our boy Fedric, it's good for me.
>>5328332>While I do not mind it, I do wonder why votes went down in number. Probably because we have been away from TalOS for a week or everyone is on vacationJuly 4th, desu
>>5328332ITS FREEDOM DAY, AIN'T NOBODY GOT TIME TO QUEST.Theres british people to harass instead
>>5328380canada day was on the 1st.
His mind made the Prince open up the manifold between himself and his men, +My Knights, today we face down the first in a long war against the dreadful Greenskin. IT is from my understanding that these Greenskin were from where the Hordes of Gaskicka and Ketter Helmtaker were birthed. It is because of this horde that we have suffered so greatly!+ The Knight raised his siege claw into the air and gave it a dangerous spin that would slaughter any it had come close to, +This vengeance shall be the fuel for our war, but know that we are here to fight for the Machine God and the Fallen God Atlas! It is their will that we were found by the Prophet and by his will we are here!+ +Onwards!+ He shouted as he blared his warhorn into the air, +We march towards glory!+ The Prince was welcomed with a cacophony of horns and engines riveting as the Knight began advancing down the hill. He could feel with every step the power of his Knight quake through his body. The speeds he was reaching too were as fast as an Armiger, a pack of them forming around him as they charged. As he did so he heard a small click, +Prince Fredric, it has been a while.+ +Vice-Count Lestos, how has your new wife been fairing?+ +Mighty fine, Prince Fredric.+ The Armiger’s Pilot said as he allowed his chain-glaive to rev up, +To see Arch Angelus march operate is a wonder I must say. The Mechanicum truly rewards those who earn it.+ +Depending on your feats today you might earn one yourself.+ The Prince joked as he began to focus the oculars to their longest range. +I will endeavor to do so, if nothing else than catch up with you.+ The Vice-Count declared as they all went into the greatest of their strides. Running through the sky became lit with a shower of red flames all across the place. A sign of the Ork ships all being destroyed by the fleet that was meant to attract the Ork’s attention to the Fortress itself.
Upon arriving at the battlefield they could already see the Orks starting to come towards the frontlines of the Mechanicum. Skitarii lifted up their weapons and firing a barrage of radiation filled bullets was welcomed by the other side shooting them with haphazardly aimed bullets that barely hit a mark. This is what Prince Fredric watched as he raised his claw and sent a torrent of radiation into the horde that was emerging. The Orks melted into green sludge as they were bathed in the powers of the Machine God. +Secure the frontline and protect it from these Orks. We follow the battle plan of the Mechanicum and will hold this mountain against all forms of aggression from the Orks!+ Announced the Prince as he took the momen to overlook the battlefield. As he did so he noticed another group that were coming down the mountain, but from a different location than himself. There was only one other who could hold such a large cohort of Knights and who would also willingly come up towards him at full speed. Arch Angelus stood tall against the arriving Navaros Dominus who came within thirty units of his location. Even from here though Fredric looked over his rival with the size granted to him by his new chassis. It gave him, in all respects, a new viewpoint of Prince Alexander Navaros. +Is there something you need of me, Alexander.+ Prince Fredric spoke outright as he stared down his rival. Naravos Dominus looked over the Chassis of his new fellow with hesitation, +So it is true, you have scrapped Borgius Dominus.+ +Not through my own will. The Orks of rid me of my previous steed. The Mechanicum however has awarded me for my Service.+ +To think you would finally get one over me.+ Growled the other Prince as he revved his Gatling Cannon. >I have not, for I am ready to bury this hatchet. >Then how about this, let's see if you can get more kills than me today. >Prove to the Mechanicum your honor, and maybe you will join me.
>>5328434>Then how about this, let's see if you can get more kills than me today.
>>5328434>I have not, for I am ready to bury this hatchet. >>5328427Welcome to fuck Britain month.
>>5328434>I have not, for I am ready to bury this hatchet.
>>5328433>I have not, for I am ready to bury this hatchet.It's a new era. They arent fighting over a planet anymore, but entire worlds of does. The age of knight against knight is no longer efficient when there are endless enemies and worlds with other knight houses, some who may have united their whole planet. They can keep squabbling ad infinitum, or join forces and gain an edge even against the other houses not yet known or seen.
