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The feeling that all possessed was something between a cruel tinge and a welcoming calm. Around the room were five men who all wore different color robes huddled themselves around a pair of candle like crystals that gave a soft hum of energy. Even the one who would describe themselves as super human stood near the light as a human would a source of heat.

Around them was the light consuming Blackstone. While the room played host to a variety of lights none of them were able to truly keep the place alit. The only real source of light was the table before the men as they stood before the table watching it animate.

They were of course not the only ones within the room. Around them were a series of guards from all walks of service. All present had some form of augmentation upon them whether it be mechnaical or organic. Those of the organic variety would easily be described as super-human but those who were mortal were still comparable to those who possess only metal.

They were however not working as of now. Instead each of them were watching for the doors at the far end of the room to open. None at the present really saw the need for small talk as they used these spare moments to organize their own people. One of them however did not have the capability of such communication but he simply kept his slince for it was bred into his being to keep it. Such a thing was common among his breed, unlike the great amount of his cousins.

As many of them were wrapping up their exchanges of information the door on the other end of the room opened with the sound of heavy mechanical pistons. While previously the door would have been effortlessly opened through psychic effects no longer did this vessel possess such luxuries and was hence replaced with a mechanical mechanism. The one who stepped out of the door quickly grabbed everyone’s attention.

They first thing the group assembled saw was the blackened steel robe that the person was wearing. A series of red highlights went all about the cloth declaring the one a member of the Crusade Force. If one were to look deeper they would notice the hard lined metal plates that covered the person’s arms.

Those who were aware of such legends would place it similar to that of a Knight whose cloth covered their armor. A divine state of thought that had been within the mind of humanity for entire epochs of their existence. To this person, four of the five men gave a bow while the remaining one gave the sign of the Aquila.

The person raised the cloth to expose a helm instead of a head. Each of those present would compare it not to the head of a normal human, but to that of the God Machines of the Mechanicum.

“Raise your heads. We shall begin.” Declared TalOS DAV1S as he looked upon his compatriots.

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“For the first order of business shall be our current state of affairs.” TalOS began the meeting as he activated the Tactical Display Table before them, “As you can see the Xenos have within recent months begun skirmish attempts against the Federation. None of these have numbered more than ten ships and none of them have gotten past our garrisons.”

TalOS had the terminal change to an animation of one of the previous battles, “These attacks were likely an attempt to probe our defenses and weigh them. While there is also the chance of them using it to mount a possible raiding force, none have gotten deep enough to reveal what their ultimate aim was.”

With those words TalOS moved the screen over to another point with a wave of the hand, “The Orks have not made any attempt to attack us since the initial incursion. Legion Master Matthias, you have had far more experience with Orks, what do you think of this?”

The Imperial Fist nodded his yellow helm as he reached over and drew a line through the holovid, “Orks will attempt to find the quickest fight they are able to, but they also want to win. Their Warboss has likely decided that they will eliminate their greater enemy first before turning their entire attention upon us. Only then will they gain the support of their ‘gods’ for the next war.”

“So you suspect it is a cultural thought process developed to not develop a war on two fronts?” Arch Magos Dominus Sicaran of Mars asked.

“That is what I have witnessed from the Xenos during strategy meetings and on the field.”

“That comes with the assumption that the Orks will fight us if we come towards them.”

“Yes. We are too far away at the current moment for the Orks to take interest in our activities. They will not care if the enemy is close enough to fight.”

“Thus before anything else we will need to consider whether or not we wish to bring the Orks in upon us.” TalOS pointed out as he looked upon the vid.

The group of Tech Priests stood silently as they processed the request. It would have unnerved any other human as their comrades went silent but the Legion Master simply allowed them the time to think. Sure he had not attended something like this with the Mechanicum but he could tell when people were thinking.

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“We must consider first and foremost the amount of resources that will be drawn into fighting the Orks.” Declared Prime Magos Dominus Pteraxii of Columnus as he looked upon everyone, “We have enough resources to fight both sides if that were to happen but it would dampen our ability.”

“We could prepare fortifications to take the brunt of the wave.” High Dominus Eretis of Xana suggested as he sent out a small package, “our objective is not to win against those Xenos right now but to stave them off.”

“What kind of fortification method will we be employing against them?” The Imperial Fist asked the Xanite, “From my experience we have had multiple ways to deal with Orks. I personally have employed site fortresses to increase the amount of manpower but I have had captains employing active defence methods so that the orks have a low chance of breakout.”

“Ultimately we will need to decide if we want to deal with them genuinely.” TalOS pointed out before things lost track, “Both methods will give us the ability to strike at the Orks to keep them out. Our benefits for risking either option would need to be less than the benefit.”

“Sanctus Dominus.” Arch Magos Dominus Sicarian began as he made a show of a hand, “I had reviewed data from your previous incursion. The Majority of the enemy fleet is there.”

“That is correct.” TalOS informed the Tech Priest with a certainess in his voice, “As of now, including the Blackstone Fortress, we are now on parity with the Mitu Collective when it comes to Naval resources.”

“A possible three way fight.” Dominus Pteraxii declared as he gave a certain nod, “But that also ignores that the Xenos have what was labeled as their Hive World in that area.”

“It is the closest form of internal components we can have access to.” TalOS told the group to confirm the words spoken, “The Xenos are based out of the far eastern side of their Empire, where Warp Currents make it nearly impossible to travel within a reasonable time frame.”

“Geographic defence.” Declared the Imperial Fist as he comprehended the ideas put forward.

>Take the chance with the Orks, we are going directly for the Mitu.
>Best to not antagonize the Orks more than we have, we don’t need a three way war.
>We could go right for the Orks instead…

Pic is not the best, but its what I can make with my little drawing talent.

>>5310888
>Go right for the orks

The Mitu aren't going to compound and mega-expand through warfare.
Orks will.

>>5310888
>Best to not antagonize the Orks more than we have, we don’t need a three way war.

>>5310888
>We could go right for the Orks instead…
while it will give the Mitu the chance to recover we need to remember that Orks grow quicker. how hard it is to eradicate them from any worlds they land, and how they only grow stronger/smarter the more of them there are.

>>5310888

>Take the chance with the Orks, we are going directly for the Mitu.

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Remember to give it a +1 to every thread you turboniggers. It better be 30 by the end of the day

qm, one critique.
You don't proofread before posting. You should. It is particulary notorious in this update

>>5310888
>>We could go right for the Orks instead…
The orks display an exponential growth. There is technology that acts as a force multiplier, but nothing that compare. It is reasonable to attack the orks as that will also throw the Mitu off. I bet they have poured their resources into defense and those will be a passive sink as long as we don't attack them.

The federation will need less resources preparing a defense against the mitu compared to a defense against the orks. In other words, attacking the orks is the cost effective option, which is logical. And what is logical is sacred.

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So from what I have in my mind, the capital is *here* and the warp "problems" are *there* ¿What other references you anon have in your mind? To put it on the ramshackle map.

Want I want to put is:
>Where we think the enemy fleets are
>Where we think solar systems are (ideally identifying them as well. Agri world, fortress, docks...)
>Where we think enemy clusters are (specially for orks)
>Our solar systems. Dutonis, Columbus, Lucius, that hive world, Mezoa...

>>5310935
I always vote on the archive, just not on the last three because I archived it and the sites blocks me.
I guess I could use mobile data to bypass that, but it would feel like samefagging.

>>5310973
This map is pretty much the field, thanks for making it!

>>5310885
For the ppurpose of adjusting my references, does that picture accurately describe us?
What are the major changes we have undergone?

>>5310888
>We could go right for the Orks instead…
The Orks are the superior logisticians to the Mitu. That is because they do not care for logistics, their mad gods provide them. They gain fuel, ammunition, manpower as they fight and win rather than expend them. Both we and the Mitu expand them. In a prolonged fight they are the better match, that is why we should avoid prolonging the fight with them.

If we fight the Mitu and have exhausted ourselves, only for the Orks to sweep in, their ability to snowball is significant.

We should deal with the power claw at our backs, we can fortify the border against the Mitu.

Ork Worlds also make ideal salvage worlds, as they leave behind much in the way of scrap metal and iron asteroids that can be melted down into more resources.

>>5310973
At work but when I get home I can attempt to make a rough estimate using the 30k map QM linked us once. But it shouldnt be too hard for any of us to just MS paint it.

>>5311043
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/7/77/Adeptus_Mechanicus_Forge_Worlds.png/revision/latest?cb=20150421231527
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/e/e5/Adeptus_Mechanicus_Forge_Worlds_2.png/revision/latest?cb=20170925013458

one of this two aha? hmmm

>>5311157
>>5311043
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/6/6e/Imperium_Dominatus_Ancient_Map3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131121093414
here¿? I won't clutter more posts without the right one...

>>5311157
>>5311169
It's this map, on the 30k mode
https://jambonium.co.uk/40kmap/

>>5311457
Somethings have moved around (like Mezoa), but its concept is the same.

>>5310888
>>Take the chance with the Orks, we are going directly for the Mitu.

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I like this ilustration

>>5310888
>>We could go right for the Orks instead…

>>5310888
>We could go right for the Orks instead…
Orks are pests, leave a sliver and they'll come back to bite us in the ass

>>5310888
>We could go right for the Orks instead…
Orks grow fast and infest planets.

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Really rough estimate but something like this?

>>5311994
Rough, but the North of Lucius is also Imperial. The Imperium essentially looped around both the Mitu and Ork Empires.

>>5310888
>>We could go right for the Orks instead…

Go right for the Orks
>>5310898
>>5310904
>>5310958
>>5311823
>>5311851
>>5311970
>>5312003

Avoid the Orks
>>5310899

Attack the Mitu Directly
>>5310905
>>5311656

You know, this choice was the one I did not think would go off. It makes complete sense however that it would be the most pressing target.

>>5312029
I also had the feeling that attacking the mitu made the most sense, since we are openly at war with them so there is justification and need to fight them. On the other hand, the orks are *there*, but they are way more ENEMY compared to the mitu, even if there is no reasoning for that war.

In fact, calling it "war against the orks" doesn't sound exact. Xenocide? Yes, we are 100% xenociding the mitu as well, but that fight is more WAR in comparison... I know it makes perfect sense to fight the orks first but I don't have the right words to describe it. Also, do you think diplomacy is avaible? "let's not invade eachother as long as the orks are there" of the sorts of course we are DEFINITELY breaking that arrangement.

A thing that bugs me since thread 4 or 5. The craftworld. It was damn strange!! And also the orks invading Lucius directly. I never knew why they went that way.

>>5312039
Orks will hit you hard when you aren't looking. As dictated by their god.

Don't like the mitu. They are vile and abominable. Orks. . .well, OOC I think blood axes are cool and maybe, had the circumstances been different, sanctoined xenos mercs would be very cool.

But IC especially for a primarch there's an incredible amount of stigma for very little benefit not to mention our religion would forbid it and there's no good reason to do any diplomacy with the Orks. Nothing short of the night apocalypse could justify that.

Of course, a clever cogman might consider hiring a rogue trader who would have a lot less scruples on the sanctioned xenos they work with.

But truly, there is very little Orks have to offer us other than a threat.

>>5312052
I feel like the most diplomacy w would ever do with Orks is to pay them in raw materials (we ain't giving them a scrap of tech) to attack someone else to give us time to prepare to kill both the orks and the target we payed for them to hit.

>>5312071
Even that would be very hard to justify directly if not politically impossible.
But paying Rogue Traders to do it for us seems more feasible.

Don't think Talos would be too fond of it though.

>>5312078
Also you fellows voted to kill the Orks first.

>>5312079
Absolutely.
This is just WAY to big an ork empire to let live by any other means. It would be madness to try and do diplomacy with any orks of this size and such a threat.

At best, you work with small warbooter fleets or such.

>>5312078
I meant Orks in general. I agree these ones are too powerful to let live.

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The smell of incense crossed TalOS as those at the table began to think. Thoughts and algorithms continued to try and develop a cohesive process to learn what would prove optimal. It was a simple weight matrix comparing their objective’s value and if that was worth the risk from the Orks.

However as the men of steel thought one other spoke.

“My Lords.” The Imperial Fist started as he looked upon the battlefield, “May I recommend another course of action?”

“Present.” TalOS’s mechanical voice crackled as he waved his hand towards the board.

The Fist gave the Primarch a firm nod before moving the screen, “In my battle with the Orks we have found that as a race they are far more capable than any others. While the Mitu have caused terror upon the humans in the Southern Federation, if we allow the cancer that is the Grail System Orks to stay alive they will be the doom of us.”

TalOS’s eyes blinked, and then blinked again, “Your logic is sound Matthias. We have allowed ourselves to be narrowed into the wrong issue like an unguided Machine Spirit. My fellow Domini, I do not think we together can even compare to our compatriots in manners of fighting Orkoids.”

The first to speak was Arch Magos Sicaran, “You are correct Sanctus Dominus. I have read over a series of reports issued from all Legions but none of that information was processed directly from Mechanicum War Assets. It likely does not contain the raw understanding that Legion Master Matthias has.”

“We must take to the skies once again and examine the issue from abroad then.” Declared Prime Magos Pterraxi, “Legion Master, what do you make of the situation?”

TalOS noticed that for just a moment the Astartes stood stunned. It was an easy estimation to guess that the Astartes was assuming that they would have only paid passing heed to those words. As if he had seen it before…

TalOS could not help but take a moment to think back to his brothers. Surely as a Legion Master Matthias had interactions with Horus at some point. If he had, he would have gotten a full breath of his personality. Leading to TalOS’s realization that the persona matrix of Horus Lupercal was becoming more true.

“I am surprised that either side of this conflict has yet to overtop one another. Likely this was due to a series of innovations by their Collective but they will soon fail.”

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With a hint of understanding TalOS spoke, “So we will need to make sure the Greenskin are eliminated before they can reach a critical state. If you may confirm with me, the Orks grow based on their population and its interactions in combat.”

The Imperial Fist gave a certain nod to those words, “Their technological levels are derived directly from those factors. We have also noticed that there is a strong correlation between the strength of its Warboss and the Horde.”

The clicking of vox caster from Eretis sounded, “As it is correlation, is it possible to assume that the Orks are a direct inflection of their leader?”

“I cannot confirm that High Dominus, these are my observations from the battlefield. I have only faced one Warboss in combat so I do not have intimate knowledge to create rockcrete comparisons.”

“That is understandable.” Declared the necrotic Tech Priest as he gave something close to a cough, “I simply wanted to compare these Xenos to those we of Xana have on record.”

TalOS found those words interesting but knew now was not the time to bring up Xana’s past, “Then the elimination of the Orks inhabiting the Grail system shall be given prime priority. Legion Master Matthias, what is standard Imperial Doctrine when facing these Xenos”

“To kill the Warboss and as many other of its fellow High Commanders.” The Fist proclaimed as a tried and true method, “How this has been achieved differs from Legion to Legion. The First Legion employed a steady battle towards the center that led to the Warboss appearing upon the battlefield where he would be exterminated. Horus Lupercal leaves his supply lines behind to make an incision strike at the base world.”

“As for my Legion we take a position and have the orks come towards us. When the opportunity presents itself we will cut off the initial assault from the rest of its forces and crush them in a counter siege.” For the first time in the meeting the Imperial Fist expressed an emotion other than stoicism, “We have found that the Orks suffer heavily from siege warfare as they run out of materials faster than any other Xenos Race.”

“Records show that Orks are incredibly wasteful which in turn fuels their need for expansion.” TalOS pointed out with a phantom smile upon his cold steel face, “We could use that against them.”

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“My fellows, I do so believe we can employ the methods the Imperial Fists suggest we employ.” TalOS began as he flicked the screen to the lands of the Orks, “Orks, according to the records of Lucius, are a psychic species that use their thoughts to empower themselves. As they are a psychic species we can use that against them.”

With a flick of his hands the screen demonstrates the movement of the Fortress through the lands of the Xenos, “While it can be taken with several methods the delivery of the Blackstone Fortress will weaken whatever forces we encounter.”

Quickly the screen turned towards that of a spearhead formation surrounding the Fortress, “Firstly we can employ the method of my Brother. Horus’s scheme is quick and efficient in that it will leave the Orks unable to reform in the time we take the fight towards the Mitu Collective in full form. Thus we can spend more time dealing with the Mitu instead of them.”

“It means you will lose a supply line.” Matthias pointed out right away.

“And as such it becomes only one of many schemes we can employ. Secondly we can take what you have suggested and systematically kill the Ork Empire piece by piece. This will make sure the region can be settled almost immediately as well as make sure the Ork Exodus from the region is minimal.”

“Counter, it will be slow.” Eretis realized without a moment’s more thought.

“As would be expected of a prefered option. Time is however not our luxury for any day the Mitu can land a direct attack upon us.” TalOS pointed out before giving the last display, “The final attempt we can make is a two pronged attack. Using our current immense weight we can attack the Xenos from two sides and create a stable supply line for either side to crash into the middle. When one finds weakness, the other will quickly find strength. If the Warboss is not dead by one of these moments, upon reaching the middle, we will have them with their forces drained from fighting a three front war.”

>A direct spearhead, cut that head off as soon as one can
>Systematic erasure, siege siege siege
>Two prong, genuine attacks.

"the Orks suffer heavily from siege warfare as they run out of materials faster than any other Xenos Race"
“Records show that Orks are incredibly wasteful which in turn fuels their need for expansion.”
Uh oh looks like the Imperium hasn't yet encountered critical mass of orcs at Ullanor level where they simply just believe there's enough supplies so they don't run out.

>>5312125
>A direct spearhead, cut that head off as soon as one can
Clearing each world of all the spores would take way too long, and if we don't do that, than it's eternal feral orks.

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>>5312125
>Systematic erasure, siege siege siege
>Emphasize liberal use of Orbital Bombardments - Scour the biosphere so Ork Fungal supplies dwindle
>Fortify as we advance

#1 Unlike baseline humans, the Admech does not need a biosphere to begin settlement procedures. We are happily able to colonize barren and airless worlds, or molten lava planets, for mining operations. If we so need terraformation can happen later in peace time
#2 Orks have one major supply chain. They require Squigs for everything. Squigs for fuel, squigs for food, squigs to grind into powder for their bullets. These squigs and fresh orks grow from fungal jungles, as is known to the Xenarites and Xenologists of the Mechanicum of Mars.
#3 Heavy use of orbital bombardment and methods to burn or siphon away the atmosphere to fungal life will weaken the Orks, and speed up the rate of our advance against them. *This will also reduce the resurgence of spores

#4 The Ork offensive is superior to the Mitu one, or at least they are more geared toward it. Whether we attack one or the other first, the second will strike. We shall simply deal with it, and ideally fortify as we go along by using our vast industrial base to churn out more deployable space stations and locking down key Warp Lanes to slow down a Mitu offensive to our flanks, as well as further fortifying our border with the Mitu. We can use the Expertise of the Imperial Fists and our own to great effect

Time to put the Federation War Machine into action! Like the treads of a mighty Leviathan Mobile Fortress we shall crush the enemy beneath our industrial might!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJLLPpZIcgs

>>5312125
>A direct spearhead, cut that head off as soon as one can

>>5312125
>Systematic erasure, siege siege siege
those worlds must be cleansed.

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Like our brother Lion El'Johnson, we are well equipped to burn worlds and planets to ash. With Prometheum, With Plasma, with Magma Bombs and Warheads. Caring little for occupation or integration.

But unlike our brother Lion El'Johnson, and indeed perhaps unlike our brother Guilliman, we can still make great use and even prefer the barren lifeless worlds we create.

"And so it was in the sacred forge world of Metallica, they had scoured it of the biosphere so that naught even microbes survived on its clean, purified surface."

Also we have a lot of factories and can start churning out those huge planet stomping munitions and ordinance by the bushel!

>>5312125
>Systematic erasure, siege siege siege

>>5312144
Good strategy. Expend munitions over lives when we can. There are probably only a few Ork worlds we would want to take care to invade instead of bombard first and cleanup after. Occupied forge worlds, enslaved hive worlds, or planets with exotic resources that would be burnt away.

>>5312124
>rockcrete
kek, good one qm

>>5312125
>Systematic erasure, siege siege siege

>>5312125
>>Systematic erasure, siege siege siege
If the orks get too much punishment and be on the defensive, they will feel like attacking the mitu, because "fitin' the zoggin' cog'eads is no fun"

>>5312173
Doubt it. We're probably going to be a more exciting fight to charge against.
Except we'll be ready for them, because we have the Fists with us. I think. Or at least a Fist advisor/attache

It is also possible to have such overwhelming force that Orks will actually flee (Probably justifying it as a WAAAGH in the other direction) such as in Twice Dead Ruin when an Imperial Crusade was just so overwhelmingly powerful the small Ork empire ran away from them and attacked Necron worlds in their path. But we seem to have Parity with the Orks for now.

If we manage to beat the Warboss, and gain an upperhand, we can attempt to push the surviving orks into the Mitu in desperation.

>>5312179
Hm, who knows... ah, but I don't have clarity in matthias. He intends to make planetfall or orbital bombardment? Yes, the answer is both. But would three times the amount of bombs be more cost effective...

>>5312238
Think Ceaser in Gaul. Build a lot of fortresses, fight for the fortresses, then fight those using the fortresss as a anvil.

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>>5312238
>He intends to make planetfall or orbital bombardment?
Here's a chart based on a post from many threads back on how I think we could go about determining whether to invade or bombard a planet.

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>>5312386
tfw Talos at any point of the Reconquista over an enemy planet of low industrial value

>>5312386
Should probably scheme up some bombardment options. Sorta like how Rad-Saturatuon is good if you want to keep an atmosphere but don't care about life on the planet.

>>5312452
Mmmm.... radium... delicious. It's useful too, I can read my favourite book during night hours without having to use a flashlight!!

This post was approved by my skitarii alpha

>>5312386
I would disagree with so much Exterminatus/biosphere destruction. while yes as admech we can survive a planet with an intact Biosphere can house a lot more humans (it is also eaiser unless it's a deathworld), after all the federation isn't all mining/Forgeworlds. we need Agri, Civilized, and Hive worlds (even if only to get more potenial sons or skitarri).

>>5312125
>Systematic erasure, siege siege siege


SSSIIIIEEEEEEEEGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

Quick question QM, do we have any orbital assets which we can drop down on the surface of a planet and use as a fortified position which we can expand from?

I.e. dropping a "keep" from orbit which we can then build walls, towers and other defenses around while still ensuring the safety of our forces if they are attacked.

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>>5312416
What's why we have a metal face now
>>5312452
Agreed. Plus the Admech has rad-scrubbers.
>>5312612
Such planets with rich intact biosphere ripe for conversion into Agriworlds or Civilized worlds would fall under the "Biosphere/Infrastructure worth invading"

It's sending men to die for the half-dead, shitty planets that make no sense when we can just kill them off entirely and inhabit them. Because the regular Imperium only knows one way to lock down a planet and that's by throwing unaugmented humans at it no matter how terrible the conditions.

I would like the Federation to be strategically built, with solar systems that have planets capable of providing for themselves and with defensive planets in mind. Rather than the all encompassing, logistical nightmare that is the Imperium where every single planet is invaded and no matter how shitty people are shoved into it. And the humans they do shove into it aren't even augmented properly to survive it.

Plus we can even convert a dead world into an agri-world, given enough time.

I'd simply like to avoid just creating more crappy Necromunda type planets and be more like Guilliman's empire. Where the worlds are more consistently decent places to live in and organized appropriately, where Metallica has no biosphere and is inhabited soley by techpriests and skitarii built for it.

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>>5312682
Likely if we ever have to micromanage a planetary siege or when there's a major battle, we can include such tactics. Maybe on the capital world of the Orks and Mitu. If they are worth invading.

Truth be told, and probably even Talos would be ashamed to admit it when he sees it, when there is a large enough critical mass of Orks and they and their Mekbosses build up a planet into one of their fancy attack-moons, the technology can sometimes get really good. Like, so good even the Admech wants to scavenge it for parts.

Take Ullanor, converted into an attack moon in the War of the Beast and built with a planetary teleportation drive. Not only did the Admech repair and activate it, moving it into the Armageddon system and claiming they had destroyed it, but they swiped every last bit of juicy tech on it, and then just designated the world as "Armageddon" a barren lifeless world that the Imperium could colonize.

These Orks we fight now probably aren't that. But you never know

>>5312682
Well since we have the two groups who were known to do that exact thing (Imperial Fists and Imperial Knights) I think we can do just that. I'll take design options now but I will be looking to make this happen.

>>5312386
Isn't proper exterminatus weaponry very expensive to make? Perhaps the threat level should be the first one to consider.
Or maybe add another tier, extreme bombardment, and then exterminatus.

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>>5312790
>Isn't proper exterminatus weaponry very expensive to make?
Only if you're poor. And the Federation is the opposite of poor. In fact the Admech may as well be synonymous to Imperial Wealth because we are literally the means of Imperial production.

Also it turns out exterminatus weapons are about the equivalent of a fresh coat of paint for a battleship or the operating cost of a few months. They arent prohibitively expensive at all.

>When our brothers ask Talos and Roboute how they can afford all these expensive equipment and munitions
>Talos and Roboute
https://youtu.be/zQrdKtPJxI0

>>5312789
Cool, then could we do something like this?
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Behemoth_(DropShip_class)

Just put some more armor and guns on it, just so that it has a higher chance of surviving the grace period where it lands and doesn't have any other defenses than what is has mounted on it.

>>5312812
I guess 40k's lore inconsistency strikes again.

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>>5312862
40k already has Mass Conveyors, carrying gigantic shuttles. Just one Mass Conveyor are able to ferry an entire Imperial Crusade force down onto a planet.

>With just one of the humans’ gigantic, boxlike mass conveyors in orbit, enough troops were being ferried to the ground to outpace reassembly efforts. And now, according to scout ships, a second was on the way in. The scales, at last, were beginning to tip in the favour of the Emperor of Man.
>But now, the first new transports were coming in from their atmospheric entry points outside the necron zone of control in orbit. They were coming in from over the mountains, becoming visible as gigantic, dark shapes in the ochre dust cast up by the falling Scythe. Switching spectra, Oltyx saw them settling on the plain and realised their full scale – ramps he had thought to be the width of single vehicles streamed instead with hundreds of foot troops marching abreast, and columns upon columns of ironclad tracked vehicles.

We could just try a far more armored up version of these.

>>5312790
Yeah as QM mentioned, we can include different types of bombardment for different needs.

>Bombardment
>Extreme Bombardment
>Exterminatus
>Extreme Exterminatus

>>5312881
we probably could do that, my thoughts simply lie on being able to land the thing and also have it able to take off again when there is no longer any need of it in the area it had landed (i know that the dropship i linked to couldn't operate in atmo, but i thought it might be a good starting template for what we could use). Another thing that concerns me about useing mass conveyors, is that the really big ones can get up to 20 km long and that is.... big and probably difficult to ensure has total defensive coverage/capability. A smaller, more centralized structure, such as a 2-300 meter high and 100 meter wide ship/keep, with defensive layers around it would be much more effective, since it wouldn't require as much manpower as a a 20 km long one (i know this is taking it to the extreme, but it is just to show that a smaller strucutre would be easier to defend than a VERY big one).

Add on to this that making a dedicated Orbital-Defensive-Deployment-Platform (ODDP), should be much more efficient than simply reconfiguring Mass conveyors, since we can ensure that a ODDP is purpose built to ensure its defensive capability and staying-/firepower.

>>5312894
To expand on this, my thought on this type of "ship", isn't that it is supposed to be a defensive structure that stays there for the entirety of its life. Rather, it is a way to quickly and efficiently fortify an area of interest and ensure that it won't be overrun by the enemy. Basically, it is like a mobile fort that can be deployed and act as a stronghold and logistical node for further defenses and ensure that the enemy can't simply overun any workers/soldiers which are building fortifications in the area.

>>5312894
>>5312905

TL:DR; new ship type that acts like a re-deployable turret(s)/bunker, while also able to hold units/pre-fab fortifications inside of it when it drops.

>>5312909
interesting idea, one way to improve such a design would be to have short and close range turrets on the top of the ship with a wide firering arc, to be able to protect the landing zone and the long range and torpedo weapons below the ship.
it would need protection while in space, but what else is new for landing crafts.

>>5312682
I mean, particep semper can walk...

>>5312812
I can't believe it.
When TalOS meteor-bombed the Plastoids, ¿¡We were being extremely unefficient!? That's not logical, thus, it's not sacred!!!!!

>>5312884
>Bombardment
>Extreme Bombardment
>Exterminatus
>Extreme Exterminatus
>DROPPING THE BLACKSTONE FORTRESS INTO CADIA

And concluding with my sameposting, I want to remember that Lucius in particular is adept at teleportation technology!! We fire teleportation rods-beacons into the enemy's fortress and spawn some PHAT titans accompanied of seven digits worth of secutarii

>>5312977
Because I see no point of creating a FOB if the ships ARE the FOB, being able to beam resources up and down.

>>5312967
All the ships that had Exterminatus Grade munitions were destroyed.

>>5312983
Well, i do agree that lucius is very good at teleportation, but just because you can teleport a lot of troops/tanks/titans/others into the field, doesn't mean that it is the most efficient use of their resources. Teleportation is an inherently dangerous way of transportation, even by the standards of the tech prists of Lucius, so it shouldn't be used as the mainway that we hold our ground, since e might risk losing troops, or even worse titans, while transporting them.

Besides, having a physical defensive structure as a FOB gives advantages that simply teleporting in units doesn't offer.
1. There is a defensive perimeter that would ensure the relative safety of the troops in the area
2. Teleporting in units is still possible and the FOB simply ensures they aren't ambushed when they do that
3. It can be used as a distraction for more simple types of xenos, like orks, which usually go and smash themselves against the first target they see.


All of this makes me think that having a type of ship/keep that we can drop wherever we want to fortify an area is a much safer and effective choice than trying to rely on warp tech, which teleportation is.

>>5313017
To further expand upon this, it also seems that it isn’t possible to really teleport a lot of material with teleporters. Some of the problems are:
“Imperial teleporters are large devices that have been built into the Imperium's voidcraft and ground facilities and require large amounts of power to utilise.”
Which seems to make it hard to have very small and mobile battlegroups, since they would all require both the space to be teleported from, the beacon to not be lost and the power to teleport them either at once or in rapid succession. To this “Objects more than twice the standard height of a man cannot be teleported using Imperial teleportation technology and any attempt to do so will cause the device to malfunction.” there seems to be a limit to how big the teleported units can be. Furthermore, there seems to be a limit to where you can teleport, since “All teleportation using Imperial teleporters can only be done in a straight line through the Warp from the teleporter to the destination point”, which is caused by “Imperial teleporters can also only "penetrate" solid matter (...)that is no more than 5 metres thick (...) the curvature of a world presents too much solid matter for the teleporter to penetrate”. Of course, all of these problems can be ignored and a teleportation attempted anyway, but “the risk of being exposed to dangerous Warp entities or of being fatally trapped by rematerialising within solid matter or far from the intended destination is then exponentially increased”. All in all, not the most efficient and safest way of transportation, but a valuable tool when needed in combat.

To counteract this though, there is the titans of Lucius.

The titan legion of Lucius does have the capability to teleport (Source: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Legio_Astorum#fn_8) but if that kind of teleportation is applicable to more than just the titans or is reserved only to them because of a quirk in their design, is something the QM will have to decide on. Still, the underlying problems of teleportation is still prevalent, so it still does not seem to be the most efficient way of transporting resources/troops/other.

Source: https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Teleportation

>>5313050

TLDR; Teleportation is unsafe and not that flexible. Having a physical FOB is then, a safer and more efficient use of resources than teleporting all willy nilly.

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>>5312909
>>5312912
I love the idea too.

Such large orbit to surface and surface to orbit vessels are possible, we saw one in the Magnus novel.

>>5312912
Perhaps it could have a directional that while in space protects the whole of the craft, but upon landing protects its surface from both ground artillery and orbital bombardment.

In canon 40k, typically cruisers and battleship classes are not designed with landing in mind. Well, not intentionally landing.

There are a few exceptions such as in Anarch where the Sek, a "Fast Cruiser", was able to land. Being able to land and deploy those huge space worthy canons and rockets as enormous artillery with potentially intercontinental range is badass as fuck. I liken it unto the Star Wars doctrine where their star destroyers are built with planetary landing in mind.

The Necrons and their Necrodermis Ships are masters of this, even their capital ship Cairns are built with landing in mind able to hide beneath the sands for sixty million years and still fly. And the Tau too even their giant ships are built with planetary landing in mind given how often they must defend their small territory. So there is precedence for even large capital ships to be capable of landing operation, it's just not normally an Imperial thing.

But we can make it a Federation thing.

>>5312994
Have the Federations shipyards been able to rebuild them and then some? We've given them quite some time to amass and have rebuilt many forge worlds.

Plus, we also now have ships from so many allied forge worlds.

>>5312983
>>5312977
This is a valid point.

Maybe we can just Teleport Fortresses onto the surface, rather than necessarily having to drop them from space.

But that would be reserved for land that we have actually secured, so Orbit-to-Surface fortress ships would be necessary as part of just securing the ground in the first place.

>>5313055
Eugh no kidding. One day we gotta switch to the Necron Quantum Translation variety. Much more safe, consistent, and not warp based!

>>5313060
Of course, they've been at it for two years. They are not past their previous glory but with the influx of materials should about reach it.

>>5313056
*directional void shield

>>5312125
>Systematic erasure, siege siege siege

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I regret we may not get a chance to upgrade our sons prior to starting the war, but the thought occurs to me. Typically, as with the Iron Hands, bionics happen after one is wounded, to replace lost parts.

Given we have now integrated our Terran sons into the legion, I'd like to imagine they would see such battle wounds and replacements in a favorable light, and we could even further indoctrinate them into the cult with a bit of religious syncretism tying it into their heritage

>Follow the Prophet, Replace thy Flesh with Holy Steel, so that upon thy death wilt thou grasp the plasmic sun, and will thy soul ride into the Valhallan-Vaults of the Machine God's Databank, Shiny Immortal and Chrome

>>5313334
Whenever a 2nd Legionaire is about to die or heroic sacrifice, they shout at max vox caster volume: WITNESS ME

They know through the noosphere and through their own bionic eyes, the gene father Talos and all their brothers do indeed bear witness to their final deeds and ascension into the Valhalla Database.

>>5313334
The Litany of the divine communion:

Holy is the machine, pure in steel and strength, Unbowing and Divine
Holy is the flesh, progenitor to metal and servant to the Faith
Holy is the synthesis, the pact of union between Man and Machine

And so we most take care of the Flesh
And so we must care for the Machine
And so we must repair what is broken
To replace that which is Flawed with that which is Divine

In steel shall we find Strength
In flesh shall we find Will
In holy union shall we find Faith

For the machine is immortal and guide to the divine
And so shall we be saved

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>>5313351
>WITNESSED
oh man the noosphere must be full of GETs

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>>5313334
I love our Technobarbarian Terran sons. Who says Leman Russ is the only one allowed a ferocious warrior culture?

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Tal0S check 'em

>>5313334

Oh WAIT; WE CAN HAVE THE MOTTO: STEEL WITHIN, STEEL WITHOUT!!!

>>5313400
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The Numbers agree!!!

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https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/93409990
This heresy is... it... it feels good

>>5313400
Checked

SIEGE!!
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>>5312144

Spearhead
>>5312143
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>>5313496
mmm... ormbimtal bombardmemt

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“If it is prefered we should employ it.” Declared Prime Dominus Pteraxii as he lowered his head to look over the tactical vidfeed, “We will have the Orks within our hands. If done right the Mitu will also not experience a reprieve from their feral kind until they are completely eliminated if we employ the tactics correctly.”

The Martian stood as tall as he could as he took his chance to speak, “I support this motion. This will be the moment in a semi-controlled environment when we can increase what was learned during the Training Exercises. An impassable opportunity.”

“Supported.” Was all High Dominus Eretis answered to the group present, though TalOS could tell he did not have a true heart in it for some reason.

“We have a decision made. Legion Master Matthais, I take it that the Imperial Fists have not engaged themselves in an advisory role before?”

“You would be correct Primarch.” The Astartes barked with the sense of surprise within his voice, “That was the role of the First Legion before we left Terra. I however will not dishonor the Legion in rejecting this new role.”

“Then you are willing to work with Skitarii and my sons. To maximize the effectiveness of this strategy; you will be expected to do joint operations with mortals.”

“I do not think my Legion will perform adequately if we are employed in such a way due to our inexperience and need for cohesion. May I request that Auxilia containing at minimum a hundred Astartes be the option when operated jointly to maintain said unit cohesion.”

“Permission is given, Matthais.” TalOS told the Astartes with a human wave of the hand, “Know today that your participation has likely saved millions of lives in our exhibition through the Orkoid Empire. When I meet your Father I shall first and foremost sing my praises for your service today .”

“I thank you for that honor Primarch TalOS.” The Imperial Fist answered, giving the Tech Priest a willful bow.

“Let us start getting into the details. Here is the chart of stellar alignment based on Terran Federation charts that were adjusted for stellar movement of seven thousand years.”

And with those words the few of them began analyzing the records that were presented on the table. The Imperial Fist quickly took the stage as he had the table turn from previous extermination campaigns enacted by his chapter.

By the day’s end each and every Tech Priest within the fleet was given a comprehensive study on the coming battles. TalOS knew it would take them some time to fully process but the immediate consensus was the sad reality that indeed it made so much more sense to exterminate the Orks.

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Finally, once more, did the Primarch come about a moment of rest. Really though he was enjoying the scheming out of plans for the extermination of the Orks. Sadly though it came to an end.

Already TalOS had commissioned a series of fortifications to be built. Such unusual designs were necessary for their operations to work properly. Ten should be enough based on the words of Matthais but TalOS had commissioned fifteen of the air to surface fortresses to be administered. One could not be too careful.

TalOS walked through the halls of the Blackstone Fortress. There was one location where TalOS was wanting to visit for some time. TalOS knew he had made it when the blackened armored Astartes got up to give TalOS the sign of the Cog.

As if they were all waiting for the chance TalOS was soon surrounded on either side by Astartes. It was as if TalOS had called for a parade formation. TalOS only had a moment to realize that the few Acillians with them acting confused told the Primarch this was indeed impromptu.

“Go back to your duties and leisure.” TalOS told the assembled group of Astartes with the firmness his sons likely expected from him.

It was rather odd seeing the Astartes looking rather confused at TalOS as he said that. As if the concept of leisure did not register with their minds. TalOS would chock that up to a programming quirk of the Astartes judging as they were watching the Acillians demonstrations of weapon rituals.

The only one who seemed to get into his brother’s heads was ED1SON, who had placed a weapon part into an Astarte’s hands and subtly told him to put the weapon together.

It was in the middle of this place that TalOS found them, Legion Master Vadar and Prime Mitarii AL4N looking over an eradication ray. Before the Astartes stood in solute TalOS raised his hand to stop the motion, “How is everyone enjoying thei exercise?”

“We are making moderate progress, Father.” The Acillian told his Primarch with a subtle smile on his face, “Legion Master Vadar was able to finish the assembly of a Volkite Blaster so we have moved up to the Eradication Ray.”

“That is good, and what do you think of the task yourself Vadar.”

The Astartes held himself for a moment as he checked his words just like his father would, “I find it satisfactory Father.”

“Is that so, show me what you have learned.” TalOS told the Astartes as he sat down next to his Astartes.

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With a smile the Acillian got out his personal Volkite Blaster, which TalOS noticed was of the ED1SON pattern, and placed it out in front of the Astartes. The Legionnaire quickly gathered his equipment to work at the device with the efficiency of a machine.

It was a glorious display as TalOS would put it, watching the Astarte work. Likely thanks to whatever upgrades were placed into his brain the Legion Master was able to easily process the piece while reciting the words that were given to him by AL4N.

Though TalOS was no fool as he heard those words. They did not have the full faith like that of an initiate. The inflictions in his mouth and steel steadiness showed the Primarch someone who knew his craft well but was not taking in the overall beauty of the weapon given to him.

A lack of admiration. That was the issue.

Still with cold calculation the Astartes finished his allotted task and placed before TalOS a finished Volkite that looked to have been perfectly cared for.

“Admirable.” TalOS told the Astartes as he picked up the weapon and studied it, “You were taught only hours ago you perform maintenance, but you achieve it with the ethicacy of a Tech Priest.”

“Thank you, Father.” The Astartes simply said as he gave a curt bow.

TalOS paused for a moment as he began processing what was before him. He wished there was some sort of bite so that the two of them could start a conversation but there was not. It was then that he processed himself towards the words of his fellow Primarch, that the Astartes of the Second Legion were emotionless.

But that did not mean they were. After all TalOS had no illusions that there was a Friendship between the Fists and his Second Legion. Based on TalOS’s interactions with the Fists they were a more straightforward and humorless force so that only meant TalOS needed to find something.

>Speak to them about their Legion’s Tactics, maybe he will show pride there
>You know, based on where they are from, maybe they would like to just go out and work.
>TalOS does have some Proxy Mjorn that he was experimenting with. Maybe drinking is their game.

>>5313583
>You know, based on where they are from, maybe they would like to just go out and work

>>5313583

>You know, based on where they are from, maybe they would like to just go out and work.

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What an ironic circumstance.
Normally the goal of the Adeptus Mechanicus is to control emotions, to keep them in check.
Here we try to elicit it from our sons.

Strange times we live in.

>>5313583
>You know, based on where they are from, maybe they would like to just go out and work.
We do want our legions to have utility in peace as well as war. To be a Cog in the Machine God's creation is to work.

>>5313583
>>Speak to them about their Legion’s Tactics, maybe he will show pride there

>>5313583
>Speak to them about their Legion’s Tactics, maybe he will show pride there

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>>5313595
Switching to
>Speak to them about their Legion’s Tactics, maybe he will show pride there
>Talos reflects upon what the word "Father" , how the relationship of his Astartes paralells to that of C4R and the Emperor
>Considers ways to use said pride to also influence them towards true belief

Elaboration:
#1 In many ways, our Astartes reflect many virtues of the Cult even better than our Lucian born. They have superb emotional control, allowing for logical thinking, even without the need for emotional vaults. They are cold, tactical, perhaps even calculating, with a devotion to duty, like unto the machine. That is virtuous and pious in the digital eyes of the Machine God. We can be proud of them for this
#2 But yet all of that is without faith. It is written: "Though I speak with the tongues of binaric and code, but have not faith, I am become as loop recording, or a blaring klaxon. And though I have the gift of prediction, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all strength, so that I could remove mountains, and have not faith, I am nothing." They represent many of the ideals of a good techpriest, but lack the key element of faith
#3 Faith cannot be bought or forced, it must be earned. Just as to be "Father" cannot be forced, lest it be an empty word. It must be earned.
#4 The Emperor is our Creator, and we are his Genespawn, and we honor him as such as our astartes honor us. But C4R is our father, as he took care to devote to our desires, our aspirations, our person, and so we love him as father
#5 If we wish for our sons to love us as Father, and truly mean the word, we must understand what they are proud of, what their dreams and aspirations are, and support them. Not just as Primarch. Not just as Commander or Leader. But truly as Father. Just as the Emperor could to us, if he so wished, yet has not. These men were born with fathers who raised them once, for us to be a Father to them we must be as the same
#6 If we can reach them, we can also have a better chance to convince them to believe and have true faith. If we know what it is they are proud of, we can train our Acillians in their ways and methods, but also display to them how with faith even our Acillians can succeed and even surpass them through the blessings of our God and Machine Spirits

They are proud of their ability to fight? Perhaps our Acillians can, either in duels or perhaps in the upcoming war, through the blessings of Machine Spirits surpass them (their armor moves swifter and hits harder, their battle cogitators think faster, their shields last longer and their power swords strike harder)

As UZ1 once showed our son ED1SON through the use of true belief and ritual when they made the prosthetics, how the machine spirit responded to her and made her succeed. He was able to be bested by a mortal of all things, and UZ1 taught him the importance of ritual and faith. If we wish to truly convert our sons, they should learn the same

>>5313716
*Correction that was T3SLA that UZ1 beat in the prosthetic contest, not ED1S0N

>>5313583
>>You know, based on where they are from, maybe they would like to just go out and work.

Give it time, emotions and feelings are something that takes us years to take in and even then it's hard to understand ourselves. They need experiences. To experience.
Give it time, allow them reflection

>>5313716
>+1 Support
I like that it ties in the lesson UZ1 gave to Tesla on the importance of ritual. It also shows Talos' intelligence isn't just limited to empirical but also emotional (he's a techpriest who is liberal with his emotions instead of vaulting them always, but also knows how to put them aside). He would know why he sees C4R as a father and not the Emperor, and use that approach to his sons.

>>5313716
>support

>>5313716
>Support

>>5313716
I'll support it.

Litany for the day:

We seek to follow the path you lay
We seek to know the secrets you have shown
We seek to understand the meaning that you have given
We seek to comprehend the great mysteries that lie before us now

We beseech you, not to give us strength
We beseech you, not to lighten our burdens
We beseech you, not to make our journey easy

We ask of you, to give us obstacles
We ask of you, to make the path long and hard
We ask of you, to make the end of our journey far away

So that we may know
So that we may understand
So that we may comprehend

We pray to you, Deus Mechanicus
We pray to follow the Path of Steel and Reason

- Path of Mind and Spirit

>>5313716
I gotta be honest man I don't fully get your logic and honestly its really hard if you even want it to happen. Also, do you really wanna risk fostering competition between the Acillians and the Astartes as that is exactly what making the Acillians show them up would do.

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>>5313975
More along the lines that I want to engineer situations where the Astartes start to see the benefits of faith and gain legitimate reasons to believe.

Like in the Plague Trilogy, where even the Primaris Marines and Roboute were shocked by the power displayed by Mathieu and his followers, who were able to survive all the way to help them destroy Nurgle's Cauldron. Roboute thought the saints were just unknown psykers at first, but then after Mathieu brought an entire War Train of fanatical followers to the very Cauldron of Nurlge and defeated Kug'ath, and Mathieu became a saint himself, he starts to question his own beliefs and picks up the book of Lorgar for the first time.

Maybe not in duels but perhaps in the upcoming war, if the Acillians can show that through faith they gain the blessings of our God and Machine Spirits to excell even where the Astartes should normally be better at. Just like UZ1 showed through her faith she was able to push her prosthetic to work better than TESLA's. Because the Machine Spirit responded to her.

And there's machine spirits in everything. From armor, to blades, to even the black carapace on a soldiers body.

Does that make sense?

Lorgar was able to genuinely convince at least some of his terran sons to believe, I was thinking on ways Talos would do the same.

If this still doesn't make sense lemme know or if there's questions for any other parts of that.

>>5313975
Also, I just fucking remembered by this personality shift started 10 years ago, not five. Those who caught it were correct to catch the discrepancy but I forgot why that was such a big point since my notes were deleted. I remember now. For those who want to think early, what big event at TalOS's age of 5 would change someone's personality in canon.

>>5313981
I think whatever you were thinking will not come from their half-brothers but instead the witnessing of Particep Semper Walking. That is more what you are telling me here.

>>5313984
Probably Particep Semper.

>>5313987
Ding

>>5313986
Oh. Well by all means if the display of the Imperator Titan alone is enough to make them beileve then that's better and you can forget writing about the rest.

I just would have thought they'd have been exposed to that sort of thing already as part of the Emperor's Great Crusade.

Mostly, I just wanted to try to determine ways Talos could genuinely be their father and connect with them. Because he can see the difference between C4R and the Emperor. What makes a Father vs what makes a Gene-sire.

C4R has no blood with us, we are not his creation nor his spawn. But we are his son, because he loved us. That's the sort of thing Talos could do to reach out to really connect with his sons: care and attention. What do they want, what do they believe in, and how can help them just as much as they serve to help him.

>>5313987
Also damn that was fast. I guess there were only two events to guess but I'm surprised someone realized that once I point it out.

>>5313993
To me every Primarch can be known by how much their sons truly believe their Primarch to be Father.

Every space marine would die for his liege, but its the ones that do it out of love. Guilliman who made his sons believe they were truly fighting for something great by making Ultramar a better place, Magnus and Lorgar who gave his sons enlightenment and purpose and knowledge, the Blood Angels whose father guarded them against the curse and encouraged them to excell in matters outside of war, even Fulgrim who saw pride in his sons and pushed them to perfection.

Vs Perturabo whose eternal disposition was dissapointment and irritation
or Curze and Angron, who flat out hated their sons and they hated him back
or Alpharius, whom nobody cared about when he died, because everyone was Alpharius

Talos would definitely want to be in the first party and not the latter

>>5313984
Can you elaborate on this personality shift referred to precisely? I wager its related to something from the earliest of threads. But I don't recall how Talos personality has shifted exactly, what it was before and what it became after. He's always acted like Talos to me.

>>5313996
There weren't many, but I think it would always win in relevancy unless another big one happened, since it was the moment that TaLOS first interacted with a machine spirit that answered back, stopped having nightmares about the warp and became driven to be both a princep and a tech-priest.

>>5313998
You're comparing how a Primarch would handle an Imperator's Presence, but it should really be the other way around in comparing humans. Symptoms of becoming a Princep include but are not limited to:
>Massive personality shift based on the Chassis you pilot. Such as when a Warhound Titan pilot will become more lone-wolf while Warlords will act like royalty.
>A tendency to feel unnatural amounts of satisfaction from massive acts of devastation

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>>5314001
And for an Imperator Titan:
>"How like a God He is, that ancient Machine, primal of all His Kind, the Imperator! His mighty Fists, massive like two Towers of Destruction, laden with Doom of Mankind's bitter Foes. He watches over us now as Battle joins, and in his Shadow we shall advance upon our Enemies and defeat them."

I think we fit the bill quite well:
>Wants to be the biggest, the biggest of them all bigger than all the rest
>Oodles upon oodles of armaments, systems, shields and then some
>Prefers to command and bombard from afar, allowing the Warlords and Warhounds to surround and protect him as Wardens of Steel and our Auxilia
>Glorious massive destruction

Anyway
>>5313716
ADDENDUM
>QM to adjust as to what fits logically as needed
>Just wanted Talos to connect with his sons by knowing them and understanding them
>Faith can come when it comes, perhaps when they all see the glorious display of the Particeps Semper

>>5313583
>Have them go out and work

>Show them partis septer, perhaps have him walk

>>5313975
>>5313986
I'm able to understand what SoN was going for. Its acts of faith and miracles. If the astartes see how their brothers faith made them strong, they would be inclined to believe. This would be better seen during the war against a powerful enemy, like the Orks. Where astartes die or their weapons and armor succumb to damage, the acillians are able to press on by the aid of their machine spirits and miracles of the machine god. Weapons that keep firing when they should have run dry, or shields that should have failed continue to hold. Maybe Talos isnt trying to create miracles but mentally puts his trust in his God to show them his power.
>>5313986
Seeing the Particeps Semper walking to make them believe is fine too. Maybe the Great Crusade doesnt yet have such God Machines like we do and it makes even their cold emotions stir.

>>5313583
I will
>Support
>>5313716

>>5313993
>Oh. Well by all means if the display of the Imperator Titan alone is enough to make them beileve then that's better and you can forget writing about the rest.
>I just would have thought they'd have been exposed to that sort of thing already as part of the Emperor's Great Crusade

Keep in mind Lucian Titans can teleport, while others cannot. The sight of a skyscraper sized walking fortress-temple popping out of the Immaterium on command would have a resounding effect on even hardened troops such as our Astartes

>>5314461
Calling them skyscrapers is underselling it.

I think of them more as moving mountains.

I do suppose that, possibly either because our Terrans are still getting out of the whole Technobarbarian phase and comprehending modern technology, the blinding flash of an Imperator appearing out of thin air could make them believe it the work of a God.

Germans like to work
>>5313590
>>5313591
>>5313719
>>5314007

Honestly, this is not gonna work how ya want it too.
>>5313716
>>5313742
>>5313809
>>5313852
>>5314199
>>5313601
>>5313614

I was kinda hoping we would have a dumb series of german jokes, instead I gotta figure this out. Well, time to learn because we always wanna learn.

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>>5314480
>dumb series of german jokes
We ask them about their tactics so they hand us pic related...

>>5314480
Wait, it would lead to dumb jokes? Is ot too late for me to switch to it?

>>5314489
Wait, my ID changed
>>5313614
I'm this anon.

But nevermind, my lone vote change wouldn't be enough.

>>5314480
From what I understand I think I'mma just got with the original post idea of you fellows spending time just learning about your sons. I understand you guys are seeking them to 'realize' how much better the Acillians are than them and while that can still happen it will be further down the line its not now. Likely we can let the revelation happen and then decide what happens from there which was kinda the point of this post.

>>5314489
I don't think enough people would change to basically make the 'Germans relax by working' and such jokes happen. It will only happen later as we will have plenty more time with the Sons of TalOS.

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>>5314493
Shoulda added pic related.

>>5314493
In seriousness, asking their officers and long-serving NCOs to tell us about their tactics and campaign history during the late Terran Reuinification and early Crusade periods would be a great way to start getting to know them both as individual soldiers and as a unit

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>>5314480
Damn, now I regret forgetting about the Germanic influence thing.
There was plenty of potential with that. I hope it's not too late to include it in other actions!

I'm sure you would have gotten those German jokes at least from me had you been a bit more on the nose and reminded us about it.

I can already imagine perhaps our sons have their own war songs:
>A song of the one time our sons Clan were able to repel the Imperials back, before the Emperor bore down on them and crushed them utterly
https://youtu.be/_-z2Nmu4okI
>A saga-song about a Techno-Huntsman and his dillema to use Dark Age Djinn bullets to cheat a contest of marriage for the chieftans daughter
https://youtu.be/pfrwOg0hqG4
>Typical march music
https://youtu.be/FPjUxkB4APw

Give us more opportunities for votes like this QM. Also please don't punish us for just wanting to reflect on ways we can get our sons to believe.

It's glad to know our sons will LOVE parades!

On this topic, exactly what sort of German-esque are we aiming for here? There's so many options.
Their technobarbarian heritage could have some old nordic/germanic influence.
There's some HRE/Empire of Man vibes we could do.
Prussian, WW1 (gotta try not to overlap too much with Krieg)
And well, of course, the 3rd Reich
And the modern German Federation I guess

Which Germans we aiming for here

>>5314499
Yeah, there is nothing wrong with it actually. Just feels too... formal still.

>>5314502
Do it over corpse-starch and wolf-beer in the mess hall then. Soldiers love a good BS session at the canteen.

>>5314493
>>5314497
Oh good, we still have the chance for it in the future.
Has a rogue trader scammed the second legion by using an absurd amount of train simulator DLC?

>>5314502
Honestly, that would just help make them feel right at home.

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>>5314493
That's fine be me OP.

Truth be told, the Acillians are NOT better than the Astartes. Not as they are now. For all intents and purposes, the Astartes should suceed in all cases.

It was just that their faith, and the blessings of the Machine Spirits, which aid them overcome. At least, I hope that's how it works like the same way UZ1 was able to best Tesla.

Honestly though now that you've outright stated we can go for a Germanic esque legion that opens up a TON of awesome fluff and aesthetic options. Please go full ham on fluffing up our guys.

I was a bit leery at first why we would offer them Mjorn or make drinking a part of our shtick when Cult Mechanicus are supposed to avoid the luxuries of the flesh. But the fact that they're Germanic? Well, we did engage in a drinking contest with Russ. Our sons can definitely aspire to continue to challenge the Space Wolves at any opportunity!

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>>5314501
Please forgive me for the watermark, couldn't find a good one.

>>5314509
I mean, the german fluff was the point of this post. Some of you almost went with my joke without realizing the joke.

>>5314511
Actually, you almost did until you went 'EURIKA!' and had your write in.

>>5314507
... you're right...

>>5314511
We should definitely issue them Mk.3 helmets with a stahlhelm style spike before we meet Morty and the Deathguard.

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This also has implications if we want to adjust the culture of our Federation. The idea of the ancient Federation being analogous to the EU and the modern Lucius being more like Germany trying to restore it to glory.

Btw if we ever get to the part where we try to plan out our sectors:
Civilized and well designed hive worlds could be designated: "Rhinewelts"
Industrial Forgeworlds, Factory-Agri Worlds, Mining worlds would be designated as: "Rhurhwelts"
Fortress Worlds, Military Worlds, and Dockyard Planets would be: "Festungwelts"

>>5314511
Forgive me QM, I have yet to install my subtext analysis module and it flew over my head. I would have leaned heavily into the German stuff if i had even seen the word once.

>>5314518
Hey man, I made it obscure on purpose so I can start making jokes. On me for that.

>>5314518
The worst part is that the "based where they are from" is part of the vote.
How in the warp did we all miss it?

>>5314518
Pleasure Planets would thus be named "Festwelten" and Feudal Worlds would be "Polenwelten".

>>5314522
I mean you all missed the german beer joke too.

>>5314520
If that's how you wanna go about it, by all means QM. I think you clearly had something cool in mind QM and if it looks like players are missing the point I say there's nothing wrong with giving overt hints. We're all in this for a fun story, not riddles or guesses to the fun story. I'm sure if you said "The 2nd Legion's culture is Germanic in influence, bear that in mind" we would have rolled with it and I don't think anyone would complain about 'spoilers'.

>>5314524
Wait what?
>TalOS does have some Proxy Mjorn that he was experimenting with.
>Proxy Mjorn
>Maybe drinking is their game.
Ok, now this is just embarassing.

>>5314526
Obviously people want it now that I meantion it, so I'm starting to make them.

I should really focus on writing damn it!

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I now have even more reason why I believe we should later, however possible, get Scintilia into the Federation. Because we need to mold them into Prussian Musketeers

Also we need to get our hands on Krieg for obvious reasons.

>>5314529
Thanks QM. If you think something is cool, badass or awesome, we're going to think the same and roll with it. Just drop us a bone now and again.

>>5314533
Krieg before they rebelled and nuked themselves would make for a good legion recruiting world.
It's a shame it's so far away from the federation.

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>>5314532
For general armor/aesthetic both of Acillians and our Auxilia, how do you guys feel about drawing inspiration heavily from the Helghast?

They are German inspired (the exact Reich being obvious) but they have many good parallels.

Their planet is a Forge world, their culture based on that of an Industrial Mining company.
Their helmets could easily molded to fit on our Astartes/Acillians.
They have plenty of fantastic designs for mortal auxilia uniforms.
They even have specialized gas troopers we can draw inspiration from.

Their work hard, war effort, military-industrial society matches well with our Federation I feel.

>>5314537
Fuck yeah Helghast
>Talos giving motivational speeches over Noosphere and Vox to auxilia and space marines
https://youtu.be/FoTwxckzErI

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>>5314537
I still like the Mk.3 Iron Armour for our Astartes, as it's thematically fitting and already canon. A slightly chunkier and more cogfoppish version of the Helghast stuff would be ok for Acillians as they wouldn't be wearing any of the standard Imperial patterns of power armour at this point.

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>>5314537
Bauhaus from Warzone are also a good reference point.

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>>5314540
Talos could blare these speeches straight out of the Particeps Semper, alongside the sermons. I bet even Lorgar would have a hard time matching that.

As for thematics I was thinking:
>Generalized 2nd Legion/Forge World Skitarii Regiments:
>Themed after a mix of WW1/WW2 german vibes. Krieg/Helghast in appearance, with Stahlhelm-esque helmets. Essentially they are still Skitarii and Space Marines, with origins in the forge worlds, and fit well with the heavily augmented vibe.
>Very heavy industrial themes

>"Noble Regiments"/Knight World Auxilia:
>Troops who aren't knights but from the upper crust of society, from civilized or hive worlds. Themed after Prussian Soldiers/Scintillia Fusiliers. Because they tend to be rich and support by family, they often buy custom specialized gear from the Admech

>Feudal Worlds/Feral World regiments
>H.R.E. / Empire of Man thematics. Sci-Fi landsknechts

>>5314542
They will still use canon armor I feel. It would mostly be embellishments and decour. Like Roboute when he sticks Roman Plumes on the helmets of his lads and golden decour.

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>>5314545
That's a good one.

Pic related, a Federation Commissar.

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Federation Fuedal World auxilia

>>5314547
>They will still use canon armor I feel. It would mostly be embellishments and decour. Like Roboute when he sticks Roman Plumes on the helmets of his lads and golden decour.

If that's the case I'm on board, or rather, an bord.

>>5314555
Based landsknecht enjoyer.

>>Canon Armor
It might have started as standard STC armor, but give a Son of Talos enough time and veterancy requisition allowance and he will tweak it into a custom artificer "Wunderrüstung"
Our oldest and highest ranking space marines will probably approach terminator levels of protection and utility

>>5314560
Ja genau, but the standard marks of armour still ought to be the starting point for modifications, even if they've been hotrodded extensively.

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>>5314560
The more they kill and survive, the more tech and metal they get to ask for, the bigger they get with bigger guns. You call denote rank by size, with Talos being the biggest of them all

. . . Why do I feel this is something we're going to catch on after our big Ork War.

>"Hans, are we the Greenies?"

>>5314518
>modern Lucius being more like Germany trying to restore it to glory.
Not again...

>>5314569
>>"Hans, are we the Greenies?"
No Fritz, we ate the Greenies. If you'll remember you had the most violent kopfschmerzen for 3 cycles afterwards and kept "Waaagh-ing" at the Hauptmann?
Alles klar, danke Hans for reminding me. Anyway, about twin-linking this Volkite Carronade...

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>>5314569
All dem zoggin' 'umies is mad. Can't tell oo's in charge wot wiff their 'captain' dis and 'general' dat. Deyz all da same zoggin size! Not like proppa Orks. We knows oo's in charge.

Cept' dem Klankerboyz dey gotz. Dey'z knows wots wot. Dey might be meks, but deyz get bigger n' meaner if ya don't kill em! You'z get zapped by one o' dem, won't be nuffin' left behind!

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If it was a relationship with the Imperial Fists that gave his sons some form of enjoyment then that was what TalOS wanted to know. Taking his analysis of Matthais into account TalOS could easily tell the Fists were all about their work, and thus Vadar and the Second Legion would be about it too because surely they talk extensively about such work.

“Vadar, as I have a moment now to talk to you, I wanted to learn about what my sons will be providing to the greater Crusade.” TalOS began with a soothing mechanical song that was honey in the ears of those who heard it, “Would you mind educating me on your current doctrines?”


“I can give those to you father. How would you like them issued?” He asked with a sternness about his face that betrayed no emotion.

“I would prefer that you tell them to me, but what other methods do you have available?”

“We have developed tomes of text, psycho indoctrination, and blood vials for those who are able to learn from them. If you wish to employ any of these to save time I shall send for any.”

“I do not need any of those Vadar.” TalOS told the Astartes with a small laugh in his heart, “It is easy enough for you to tell directly. I am currently on my break period and wish to spend that with you all.”

The Astartes gave a nod to TalOS as he turned himself completely to his direction, “Our focus is upon heavy weapons and their numerous uses in war. While the Master of Mankind has declared that all Astartes are to migrate their weapons from Volkite to Bolters; we have found such a change debilitating. However as the decree is a decree we have adjusted to not lose all capabilities previously afforded to us by these weapons.”

“So that would include things such as Lascannons and flamers?”

“The use of Flamers is only for emergencies when the enemy gets too close.” The Astartes declared with what is a swiftness that hinted something within it, “I have within our possession a machine known as MLT4 that is becoming prefered.”

TalOS only needed a moment to learn all he needed from the archives of the Mechanicum, “That is an STC that was discovered by Skitarii regiment MLT4 two years ago. It is currently in trials to be sanctified by Mars for mass production. A close range anti-material beam weapon. Interesting. What have you witnessed from the Machine?”

“It is a better version of the flamer Father.” The Astartes answered quickly with a firmness of someone who had personally witnessed the weapon, “What it lacks in range capabilities are made up for in destruction. It is capable of turning several Orks into air with a single pull of the trigger.”

TalOS could not help but feel something within those words, “I would agree. To have such a weapon in the palm of one’s hands would be exhilarating.”

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“Based on my words you have already realized the matter of our employment. These weapons, which do not leave a piece of the enemy remaining are prefered.” The Astartes began to lay the basis of their tactics in full view, “However because such weapons are used we cannot employ the same measures of mobility as our brothers. Thus we have adjusted 1st Legion Fire Guard Doctrine to our weapons and their use.”

“An understandable adjustment. Even ones as strong as yourselves cannot move around with such large pieces of equipment easily.” TalOS pointed out with the understanding of a field marshall.

“As such we have prefered the enemy come towards us. As the Imperial Fists need heavy weapons operators for their fortresses I found our Doctrines more compatible than others.”

“I see, as you destroy the enemy whose weapons would harm the Fortress the Imperial Fists will slaughter all the others.”

“Indeed, but we have no issue turning our attention to those on the lower walls or clearing the Corpses. Upon my command my brothers will point their weapons down in such a way that it prevents structural damage. Upon my next declaration all that would do us harm no longer exists.”

TalOS studied his son as he spoke those words. He watched as his son’s eyes seemed to unfocus themselves into a memory that was being played before him. Such an emotion he was likely feeling must have only intensified as the Astartes had perfect recollection similar to TalOS himself.

There was a small moment where TalOS realized something was there. Something he needed to know, “How do you feel when you personally operate with such weapons?”

“My apologies Father, but how does that relate to doctrine?”

“Like I said I am here on a break; so I am not pressed for time. If you do not wish to give me such information I shall leave you to it.”

The Astartes seemed stunned for a moment as he tried to figure out what was given to him. His face, for a moment, looked to begin contorting and moving itself from one side to another. It was when TalOS made a motion with his hand that the man finally spoke, “It is satisfying Father. To know that within your hands is a weapon that can erase the very earth itself is a feeling we cannot compare with other Legions. Only the seventh understand such sentiments and allow us such indulgence.”

TalOS knew it was not only the Seventh that would agree with him, but every single Princep that dared operate a God Machine. That with the power of the Machine God one can lay down an entire continent was a feeling TalOS knew his brothers Horus and Leman never once felt.

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“My apologies if that was forced out of you, however you are my son. You are among like minded people Legion Master Vadar.” TalOS told his son with a moment of sincerity.

“Indeed, Father!” Declared AL4N as he showed off the Volkite that was before them, “The power of the Machine God is immense and is projected through each weapon we wield. Through his grace we send shards of energy at our enemy and watch them incinerate.”

Vadar looked upon his brothers and TalOS with a moment’s surprise, or atleast what TalOS passed as surprise upon a face that held a permanent scow like a machine. It was gone though as he gave a nod, “Shall we return to the matters at hand.”

“Indeed.” TalOS admitted while learning something of value already.

“When we are to march out, whether from the Fortresses or among another Legion, we will take the endeavor to plan out our attack and mediate it. Wherever we march there will be destruction, thus it is best that we clear out both Mortal Auxilia and potentially hazardous Astartes as well.”

“And how can our cousins be an issue?” Asked AL4N as he finally got a foothold into the conversation.

“They get in the way.” Declared the Legion Master with an irk of annoyance, “It is the reason a great many of our Auxilia do not all carry their allotted ordinance into battle, they never have a chance to fire them so adjustments are made.”

“Hence the flamers?”

“A necessary evil so we have action and mobility upon the battlefield. There is glory in war but our Cousins think that it can only be earned by running head first into the fight as a horde of Orks.”

TalOS could only help but feel a tinge of annoyance too from that. He imagined, just for a moment, that he had to hold off on firing Particep Semper because someone decided it was the better idea to charge headfirst into the enemy.

He might just fire. TalOS shook his head as he realized that was Particep Semper thinking in its dormant sleep within his mind.

>Best enjoy the rest of the night with a drink, Ja?
>Try and prophelitize them with the firepower of the Mechanicum.
>Hammer out the Legion’s integration *Essentially, do we keep them Astartes or not, and whether you wanna keep Vadar as Legion Master.

If we choose the "Hammer out the Legion integration" do we have time to upgrade this this time around? Or would it just be purely doctrinal.

As in time to research exactly the most optimal implants and augments and all that?

I wannaTechmarines, verdammt

>>5314600
Not research, but integrate. If you wanna make them more like Acillians or possibly merge the two that would be the choice.

>>5314602
Then now is our chance, before the war. It is the 2nd legions destiny.
>Hammer out the Legion’s integration *Essentially, do we keep them Astartes or not, and whether you wanna keep Vadar as Legion Master.
Let us know if you want us to throw in anything else, but I imagine if this vote goes through you'll just make options.

Proselytizing through firepower can come in battle, and an even bigger drink will be owed later after victory. For now, we prepare for war.

>>5314596
>Best enjoy the rest of the night with a drink, Ja?

>>5314596
>>Best enjoy the rest of the night with a drink, Ja?
I want to delay the integration until after the campaign so we can get a better operational idea of each half's strong and weak points in terms of doctrine, wargear, and overall performance. That way we end up with a gestalt that takes the best of each predecessor force.

>>5314596
>Hammer out the Legion’s integration *Essentially, do we keep them Astartes or not, and whether you wanna keep Vadar as Legion Master.
We're long overdue this, and we need absolute unity going into war

>>5314602
hey, how many Marines does the 2nd legion have right now.

>>5314608
That's a fair point.

Perhaps the Ork War could be seen as a sort of prototyping or data gathering phase.

>>5314610
15,000. Being the second they were pretty high on the recruiting charts with those of the 7th.

>>5314613
and how many Acillians? if I recall correctly between 2-3 thousand

>>5314611
Please change vote then, we can eat the greenies either way and this lets us make a more informed choice on the methods of integrating our sons' units.

>>5314605
I'll switch to
>Best enjoy the rest of the night with a drink, Ja?

>>5314615
we are looking at 4 thousand now. With the tools from the Imperium and an entire Empire their growth is growing pretty well for a non-optimized Geneseed. For those wondering, Gene-Cults of Luna.

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>>5314596
4L4N be like
for the glory of the Machine God of course

>>5314596
>Best enjoy the rest of the night with a drink, Ja?
Vadar wearing a lederhosen when?

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>>5314596
>>Try and prophelitize them with the firepower of the Mechanicum.

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>>5314625

>>5314596
>Hammer out the Legion’s integration *Essentially, do we keep them Astartes or not, and whether you wanna keep Vadar as Legion Master.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLJ8PhZlso8
wtf is this how a meltagun kills? I thought it was just a HUGE red beam

>>5314642
No, the game's horseshit. Meltas don't work against multiple targets like that in tabletop at all. Basically a short ranged single shot weapon that behaves much like a sawed-off lascannon, with slightly less overall strength and better armour penetration up close

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>>5314655
mmm... melmtas

>>5314636
Kek

>>5314655
Tbh I know that, but its cool too.

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>>5314655
Sawn off lascannon...
What I am seeing is that meltas are carried by troops and BEEG las go in vehicles. But the lascannon can be wielded by elite squads

>>5314679
Lascannons are traditionally given to Devastator squads and Tactical Squads expected to defend fixed positions, as well as being a common vehicle weapon, often in twin-linked or (rarely) even quad mounts.

>>5314596
>Best enjoy the rest of the night with a drink, Ja?
>scream Freibier für alle and watch the riot

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>>5314673
I agree. Rule of Cool.

>>5314655
>Short Ranged
One of the things I want our Legion to use is Beamer Meltas.

Imagine Melta Guns but with the same range as bolters, and add in some Helfrost Crystals for increased rate of fire without overheating.

As for having to recalibrate the radiation beam, that's what advanced servo skulls are for.

>>5314679
>>5314683
What I like in the game is that the Lascannon size isn't so big it has to be shoulder mounted, but can be fired from the shoulder like a rifle or even hip fired.

In any case, energy weapons are the best. One day I'd like to see us get a fun turn where we can all contribute different weapon idea types and research.

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Something else I see our Acillians and Skitarii doing is the use of their extra arms to easily manipulate and stabilize heavy weapons that normally require two arms.

General Castor for example, has a special bionic arm that lets him easily manipulate his sniper rifle with pinpoint accuracy from one hand, connecting its optic to his mind.

Perhaps our Mortal Auxilia can dispense with lasguns and use hellguns exclusively. At least until we can get them something even better.

https://youtu.be/SfRMbq4-c3g

That's not even including the shoulder mounted weapons with or without automated servo-skull targeting.

>>5315184
Extra arms does not help stabilize such things. If anything they need an extra leg.

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>>5315185
We can get them extra legs or stronger legs too. That's what Mechadendrites are for!

Suppose we could also give them some grav-lock boots or backpack-inertial gyroscopes like solar auxilia. Or put recoil dampeners and gyros in the guns themselves.

SCIENCE

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It's quite common for most mechanicus to have 2+ legs anyway.

I wonder if Talos would ever consider more than 2 legs, or simply using grav-lock boots or internal gryo-levitators to walk up walls and upside down ceilings ala the Necrons.

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Our troops could look like this if we are so lucky to find and conquer the Olamic Quietude before the Space Wolves go in and wreck everything.

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>>5315211
Fuck yes. The Queitude is probably as close as humanity is gonna get to Necrons without actually going through Biotransferrence. We shouldn't let such technology be wasted, even if its current holders are a bunch of self-righteous assholes.

>>5315185
I can imagine when it comes to augmention it starts off as another arm, then a leg, then some eyes, before long they're trying to determine where to find room for the new plasma battery

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>>5315175
>What I like in the game is that the Lascannon size isn't so big it has to be shoulder mounted, but can be fired from the shoulder like a rifle or even hip fired.

Tabletop has those too.

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>>5315472
That's lovely.

There's something just inherently beautiful about upscaled laser weapons. Showing solidarity with our guardsmen and skitarii.

If we make our troops taller, just think what sort of weapons they could wield less like giant cannons and more like proper assault rifles.

I'd like to wager unlike most other legions, the 2nd actually looks forward to becoming dreadnoughts. Where as other legions keep them asleep for long periods of time between battle, ours are wide awake and can conduct affairs like research by using mechadendrites for fine motor manipulation.

>>5314954
>support

Enjoy some drinks!!!
>>5314606
>>5314625
>>5314608
>>5314638
>>5315531

Time to hammer out
>>5314609
>>5314638
>>5314605

Propheletize them
>>5314627

>>5315880
Sir you counted me twice. I demand a proper recount.

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The thought occurs to me we came very close to Russ, perhaps closer than most, given our legions propensity for drink of our own.

We may wish to further that skill, as it could potentially come in handy when we finally encounter. . .the squats

>>5315880
wh- only me!?!?
how come no one else wants to shoot shit up!? We are the Steel Dragons damn it!! Not the jolly bavarian fatsos

>>5315887
>*de-canonizes the squats*

>>5315890
Because they are all good options we want to do, but QM only has enough time to write one :C

>>5315880
>>5315884
Yup, you're correct. Does not change the outcome but its understandable.

Enjoy some drinks!!!
>>5314606
>>5314625
>>5314608
>>5315531

Time to hammer out
>>5314609
>>5314638
>>5314605

Propheletize them
>>5314627

>>5315892
I wonder if we are gonna use OldSquats or NewSquats

>>5315906
I think the new lore makes it obvious that they were mixed. Just the Leagues that had AIs were able to survive against the Tyranids likely because the AIs just killed off the Squats and waited for the meat eating parasites to leave.

>>5315907
The dangers of not having enough control over your machine spirits.

Unless that's what the Squats ordered. . .

>>5315936
My personal theory is that the Leagues who were in league with the Votann (lol) had hidden themselves among the Squats and used them as a meat shield. The Squats, who unknownly were working with civs that used Mechanical AI, joined together to fight against the Imperium during the Great Crusade and throughout the 30k epoch.

Somewhere along that time period, the AI became so delusional that they accidently became the 'Gods' of the Kin by sheer accident. Thus there was no longer just AI and their creations, but the AI literally thinking they were Squats somehow.

>>5315940
I just realized I have absolutely no idea on the lore of either Old Squats or the new League, and will take it upon myself to look it up. I can tell you've done your research on the new stuff

>>5315947
This is just my personal theory. As I understand it GW made it clear that the Votann and the Squats were two separate entities to an extent. I also kinda like it since it makes the Votann that right blend of Grimdark for the setting.

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“Well then I have learned quite a lot from that.” TalOS declared as he looked towards the far end of the room, “AL4N, I know you have not taken in Mjorn but what about you Vadar?”

The Astartes looked confused for a moment, “I have not. My brothers who were with the Wolfen Venrika have not taken part in their drink.”

“I take it they suffered from their barbarity problem?”


The Astartes gave a solemn nod to those words to which TalOS could only chuckle. Indeed while TalOS and Russ were fine together it did not mean TalOS was going to work well with him during battle.

“But what about before your time as an Astartes?”

“I do not remember. Astartes Ascension Processing is built to wipe whatever was in the man before he became one of the Emperor’s Legionnaires.” Was the firm declaration that the Astartes gave to his Primarch. It was simple, and while it made sense to TalOS it was also saddening.

“I do wonder how surefire that part of the process was.” TalOS told his son as a Servitor came into the room with a large barrel, “During my time with the Space Wolves I drank with my brother Mjorn. This is my personal Mjorn mix created from both samples and my own processes. It does not yet match the potency of my brother’s batch but I don’t think it needs to.”

Upon those words the Servitor placed the barrel in front of TalOS. With a movement under his cloak a massive metal arm came out and clipped the metal band that was holding the barrel together with a simple twist of its fingers. As that hand did that another hand had grabbed the wooden top that TalOS had installed to move it to the side.

TalOS then took from the Servitor three metal mugs, each of them showing a prominent cog upon them. The Primarch took a moment to examine the item that he had commissioned sometime ago. While simple the engraving was nonetheless recognizable to be made by the hands of a Master Artisan of the Machine Cult.

“This drink is somewhat of a test that I wanted us to partake in. I have found that the amounts of alcohol are high enough to bring death upon a mortal man. That however is expected as the Mjorn will do the same. Instead I am testing if it induces nearly as great a drunkenness and has actual taste.”

With those words TalOS dunked one of the mugs into the drink and lifted it. Such a simple act allowed the bubbling substance to drain off the side of the mug in a calm light of the nearby Psi-Candle. With firmness TalOS placed the drink in front of Vadar.

“I’ll give you the first drink.” The Primarch announced as he leaned back into his chair.

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The Astartes looked at the drink for a moment then back at TalOS, “Thank you Father.”

“Do not thank me yet. You need to see if it is good first.” The Primarch told his son with a small chuckle in his voice.

The Astartes looked at the drink with a moment’s hesitation. Something that TalOS could easily see related to how children acted when they were first transferred to Corpse Starch for their nutritional value. The man was a soldier though and soon that moment of waiting went away as he took a drink.

TalOS watched as the Astarte's eyes widened with shock. While light like a string, he could feel the binding between him and his son vibrate with excitement. The feeling of another person, well, that was something that TalOS rarely ever felt since he partook in the Blackstone Amulet’s presence. He had only been processing their feelings analytically, but here he did not need to.

Just as suddenly did he drink it that the Astartes put it down. Silence followed as the link between Primarch and Astartes waned in presence. But the face of his son was softened as he placed the drink upon the table.

“I… seemed to have remembered this taste in my youth in the Jermany. I… it is odd that I can experience that.”

“I had read in the records of Terra, during my short visit there, that your people were fond of such drinks. I take it that assessment was true.”


“Correct, Father. What little water we could get was always dirty in some form. Thus it was standard to purify it using microbes to introduce alcohol. The amount of alcohol was small but it was enough to clean the taint.” The Astartes in a mix of both memory and what was learned after, “The Emperor granted us clean water but we found no reason to stop our drinks. It was what our people drank, for where the Franks had their Wine we had our Lard.”

“Then I think a simple cheer is in order.” TalOS said as he presented AL4N his own mug to drink from, “For the safety of humanity, and may the Machine God bless us on that path.”

The Astartes gave a solemn nod while moving his drink in motion along with AL4N, “For the safety of humanity, and may the Machine God bless us on that path.”

With a clear clink of the mug all groups took drinks, but none of them gulped it down like a Space Wolf. Instead they took their fill and lowered the drinks so that discussion could continue.

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“So what do you think of our training?” AL4N asked his brother as they were both halfway down their mugs, “I know you accepted it but do you find it worth your time?”

“It was worth the lesson.” The Astarte first declared as he gave a solemn nod, “I find myself damned to ignorance for not knowing what I do know now about our own weapons.”

“As for your enjoyment?”


“It is clear that enjoyment in such things is not within my breeding.” Admitted Vadar as he took another drink, “Astartes are for the battlefield, while Father has built the Acillians to be those under the Mechanicum.”

“That would be correct.” TalOS admitted as he hummed to himself about things, “I however do not see an issue in either at the moment. After the Reconquest there will be enough data to determine whether having both is viable.”

The Astarte seemed to think to himself. He seemed to hesitate about what he was to ask before taking another drink of his mug, “What kind of changes could we expect?”


“Likely a mass reconstruction of either side's bodies.” TalOS declared as he thought out loud, “Any other method would result in a waste of manpower. I will not do what my Creator decided for his previous creations. I take it you were there.”

“I was. The Thunder Warriors exhibited gene instability that caused their minds to grow insane. It was evident from my limited experience with them that the Thunder Warriors would destroy their own Vessel before they arrived at a planet outside the solar system.”

“One cannot expect their first iteration of recreating Dark Age technology to go well. It saddens me to their fate but…”

“It needed to be done.” Answered Vadar as he gave a stern declaration, “Lord Malcador had tried other schemes but none of them could be done.”

With that their drinks were over, but the night had yet to end. TalOS simply refilled the drink for his sons and they continued for a few more hours with other more uplifting subjects.

While such calm times were needed, war had arrived.

>The Strike Team of UZ1
>Astartes in full formation
>The Knight who walks once more.

>The Strike Team of UZ1

She's going to be commanding Astartes as well correct?

>>5315967
>>The Strike Team of UZ1
"How deadly can we make non-Astartes?"
That is the question.

We could use her for Counter-Kommando operations.

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>>5315971
Possibly.

I'd like to imagine Kill-Team UZ1 is an extreme elite of our most elite. Naught but THE best shields, armor, weapons technology known to the mechanicus. As deadly as a Dark Age cyborg hero can get.

>>5315951
Hope we can save the little guys somehow. Rock and Stone.
>>5315967
>The Knight who walks once more.
This is the navarus prince, right?

>>5315967
>>The Knight who walks once more.
BEEG GUNS AND EXPLOSIONS
THE GROUND QUAKING AT EVERY STEP
THRICE SANCTIFIED ION SHIELDS AND SOLAR BLESSED STEEL FROM LUCIUS

>>5315967
>The Knight who walks once more.

>>5315967
>The Strike Team of UZ1
We'll see plenty of the Knights in battle, let's spend an UZ1 action.

>>5315967
>The Strike Team of UZ1

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>TalOS giving UZ1 "above average protection" as shown in pic related

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>>5316014
While I'm unsure he would give it to UZI, you better believe I want us to make our own Mechs.

It's the missing link between ground infantry and scout knights, which obviously can't be filled by just dreadnoughts or cyberneticae.

I would call them "Men at Arms" for they come from Noble Houses, yet fight to protect the Knights. Ground infantry would be therefore, the equivalent of serfs and miliita to them.

We know that human piloted mechs are canon from the Lords of Gardinaal, and I'd be 100% sure in at least some part of the DAoT mankind had a thing for single pilot battlesuits type craft.

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>>5316034
*cough cough* Armiger *cough cough*

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>>5316037
Well fuck a duck, that's new to me QM. Guess the Imperium already did Tau style battlesuits after all.

Wunderbar!

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>>5316043
Wrong image.

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Comparing Armigers to Crisis battlesuits, it is somewhat larger so may not necessarily fit in spaceship hallways as easily as a Crisis, but it's got a lot of other perks. It's got more health, moves faster, and shoots better.
Main drawback is its armament is limited, and the Tau Fusion blaster is straight up just better the meltagun. Also lack of jetpacks and of course a plethora of drone and shield supports.

But all of these can be mitigated. Support drones substituted with advanced servo-skulls. And just cook up some jetpacks to strap on them if we wanted.

The Tau don't exist yet and we will likely never encounter them short of some bizarre warp effect, but one of the things I wanted to see in this quest is Talos lay the groundwork to prove 10,000 years ahead of time that the Imperium of Man is superior to the Tau even at their own game. We can play the Battlesuit and Drone game just as them, and with Dark Age tech do it better than even they could have dreamed of.

If the 2nd Legion survive to fight the blue xenos, they would just scoff and shake their heads as they deploy their own suits far in superior to theirs and of equal number and production, piloted by mortals.

>>5316076
Just to tell ya there are two Armigers in plastic and others that are Forge World. The two main ones we should be concerned with is the Armiger Helverin (Range) and Warglaive (Range).

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>>5316090
mmm... finecast?

Also, sons I think you are looking down on the Chimkem boys. Ironstrider Balistarii and Sydonian Dragoon. No clue why the names are so different if they are the same model

>>5316100
Its weird. Forge World is essentially them giving you a finecast armor to put ontop of your Knight/Armiger's chassis.

>>5316100
It's really just an unarmored Sentinel with fancy gubbins. Rather massed Leviathan and Contemptor dreads, or just more Kastillian bots.