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The bridge was silent as they all looked upon the Red Planet. It was a simple feeling that went through everyone in that they realized the significance of this moment. It did not matter from where in the galaxy that the current members of the Crew were from; they all held value in the existence of the planet.

Arch Dominus TalOS, Primarch of the Second Legion, felt the same thing as everyone else. While stepping on Terra was indeed a step in his spiritual journey TalOS was now reaching the end of his pilgrimage. Before TalOS might have questioned using that term for his journey across the Galaxy he did not. Not when he stood before such magnificence.

+We have reached it, my people.+ TalOS declared as he looked upon the planet with a firmness in his chest, +We stand before Mars.+

Within seconds of that declaration the Bridge began to erupt with cries and declarations. Many thanked the Machine God, Omnissiah, or Machine Spirit for giving them the chance to even exist within the Orbit of Mars. A religious elation of happiness gripped them upon the announcement.

For a moment, TalOS could even feel the Machine Spirit of Particep Semper join in the celebration. So far away but the Spirit still celebrated TalOS’s arrival to the home of the Machine Cult.

Finally TalOS broke the trance that was placed on him upon entering the planet’s orbit. His mind began to rationalize the process of the circumstances that they were in.

As the Flagship of the Reconquista TalOS easily gained the right to orbit in an optimal atmosphere. The Martians seemed ecstatic when they received his contact and placed him in this region but nothing else has yet reached their ship.

TalOS could touch down upon the planet without care. Have a situation completely under his control. But at the end of the day Mars was still a place that he needed to respect.

So for one hour TalOS waited as the Martians prepared what TalOS was assuming to be their welcome.

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+Arch Dominus.+ Declared the Communications Magos as an hour had been reached, +I have a communicae from Mars. It is the Fabricator General of Mars, Kelbor Hal.+

TalOS turned towards the Magos and began thinking. Indeed the amount of time they had wasted was indeed immense. The Fabricator General personally talking to TalOS was something the Primarch realized was the reason it took so long.

+Place him over to me.+ Declared the Primarch as he looked back towards Mars.

+Understood Arch Dominus.+ The Magos declared as TalOS heard a ting going through his mind.

+Arch Dominus TalOS DAV1S of Lucius, I welcome you to Mars.+ Were the first words of the Fabricator General spoke to TalOS, +The fleet you have brought with you is immense and from all parts of the Mechanicum. It is humbling to see the full might of the Machine God brought about to destroy his enemies.+

+It is a honor to hear from you directly, Fabricator General.+ TalOS declared while making a mock bow that the man would not see, +It is the providence of the Machine God that granted me even the ability to build a fleet that is before us today.+

+The Machine God truly does value you, Arch Dominus TalOS. I hereby invite you directly to my Manufactorum Arch Dominus so that we may discuss matters before your welcoming to the greater part of Mars.+

+Who will be in attendance?+ The Arch Dominus asked the most powerful person of the Mechanicum.

+It will be myself and the Fabricator Locum. If you wish to bring one other with you for our discussion than I am welcome to it. My plan is to grant the Son of the Omnissiah the welcome that he deserves.+

That was not the true purpose and TalOS knew it. He also was not ignorant that a great many high ranking Magos had been tapping the line from both sides of their fleet. The Fabricator General wished to talk to the Primarch directly, likely to solidify the message and settle down the troubles that Lucius taking in Xana would have caused.

>TalOS shall take the Fabricator General’s offer
>Visit the Fabricator General without the Pendant so TalOS can exercise all of his will.
>The Primarch will drop directly upon Mars.
>Go onto the planet, without the Blackstone pendant so that TalOS can use the aura of a Primarch.

>>5285624
Before anyone complains Kelbor Hal is not the Fabricator General at this point he is one. In Mechanicum he and the Emperor, during the Emperor's first arrival on the red planet, Kelbor Hal joined the Master of Mankind in finding the Vaults of Moravec. This was also the day the Fabricator General became disenfranchised to the Emperor.

>>5285624
>Visit the Fabricator General without the Pendant so TalOS can exercise all of his will.

>>5285624
>Visit the Fabricator General without the Pendant so TalOS can exercise all of his will.

>>5285624
>Visit the Fabricator General without the Pendant so TalOS can exercise all of his will.

>>5285624
>TalOS shall take the Fabricator General’s offer
Kelbor Hal in canon was not deceived by the Emperor's psychic tricks. I do not believe that he would be deceived by Talos doing the same.

And I think Talos would want to try and apply his actual wit and intellect to convincing a fellow Magos, especially the Fabricator General, without any psychic ability.

More the so, I think he will just have faith that in all things, he is the planet of his God. And He will intervene on his behalf.

>>5285624
>Go onto the planet, without the Blackstone pendant so that TalOS can use the aura of a Primarch
Passive psychic glamour seems pretty useful right now

>TalOS shall take the Fabricator General’s offer

>>5285624
>>TalOS shall take the Fabricator General’s offer
We need no warp-witchery to commune with fellow servants of the Omnissiah. We'll go parley with the magi, and bring Lil' Uzi with us.

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Field Trip!

>>5285624
>TalOS shall take the Fabricator General’s offer
Psyker fields are for bitches.

>>5285624
>>TalOS shall take the Fabricator General’s offer, with his pendant on
Take off the pendant and disrupt the Dragon's whispers!?
>>5285633
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>>5285684
All of you deserve rape correction!!! Taking off the pendant will mean the screams of the aether will deafen TalOS ears and won't be able to LISTEN. And for what? Politics!?

>>5285787
Now I'm just gladly keeping my vote for such a stupid statement.

>>5285624
>>TalOS shall take the Fabricator General’s offer

>>5285624
>Take up the offer
Anyone else remember TaL0S calling big E's psychic arrival on Mars trickery? Kinda hypocritical to do the same here. Plus we really don't need the screams.

>>5285927
we didn't call it trickery all we said was.
"“Creator.” TalOS barely got those words out, “May I ask that you weaken your psychic aura. It is blinding and will injure my work.”"

so we aren't hypocrites unless the fabricator general is working on blank tech and our power is threatening it which we won't because we aren't that strong.

>>5285624
>Accept the offer.

>>5285970
I refer you to the conversation we had with Malcador, TaL0S literally said that big E pretending to be the omnissiah was trickery, especially with him using his psychic might to do it.

>>5285624
>TalOS shall take the Fabricator General’s offer

>TalOS shall take the Fabricator General’s offer

Giving him psychic blockers might save him from Horus but turn him upon the emperor early. Perfect reason to eliminate him.

Win/win

>>5285624
>TalOS shall take the Fabricator General’s offer

>>5285624
>TalOS shall take the Fabricator General’s offer

My hope out of all of this is we can somehow steer Kelbor Hal away from the future of going to Chaos and, more importantly, not betraying the Imperium and us. He seemed to like Horus promise of STCs. Surely we can provide the STCs too. He is an ambitious and competent man, and we could use loyal ambitious competent men.

Failing that, plan B would be to work on the most efficient and least destructive way to remove him.

Him being smart, he knows we are gunning for his position one way or another, so he will probably attempt to both garner information and make his own proposition in private. Let us see what he is going to offer.

Hopefully we can somehow convince many elements that otherwise would have gone for Chaos to going for sweet juicy Necron research. Far more in tune with the teachings of our God. They would go a long way to fighting those elements we cannot steer away from the Dark Mechanicum.

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Something else to consider, Horus was Here first.

He's had at least some years, perhaps decades, to gain favorable relations with Kelbor, ensuring the supplies to the Luna Wolves in exchange for whatever his legion could provide.

Horus is, most likely, a better diplomat than we. Our advantage will therefore be reliant that we are a member of the Cult Mechanicus where Horus is not, and crucially the actual divine support of our Machine God. Even supposing we are somehow lucky to pull Kelbor to our side over anyone else's, Horus agents will know.

On the flip side, we should start scattering agents and spies of our own so that we can get out foot in the information door. I believe in the realm of cyber-espionage, information gathering and prying information, perhaps our ability to provide superior technology could give the advantage over Horus chosen spies. At least until Horus finds Alpharius. Especially if we work with Malcador and help him establish the Vanus assassins.

I wonder what it would take to get Alpharius on the loyalist side. . .we obviously will one of the few brothers who has no qualms against trickery and deceit and would consider it a valid tool, in contrast to Russ, Dorn and Guilliman.

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>>5286285
What if we punch through the fabricator's general chest right here and now...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvTVlOyC2LY
This but with his brain in that adamantium cube. Too grimdark to then use it as a processor core for our flagship, pic related?
I am joking, I am joking... unless

>>5286302
Even supposing somehow, and we would need NIGH short of the explicit intervention of our Machine God in the utmost level (i.e. either the Void Dragon deletes all records and camera feeds of such an act or makes every machine on Mars say "oh no the Fabricator General has suffered an accident, all hail Talos), somehow we did that the sheer reverberations across the entire Mechanicum would be potentially devastating.

Nothing short of an explicit revelation of him performing some evil wicked Tech Heresy of the highest order could justify that. And even if we did I'm not sure how trustful others would be of us.

It's a very extreme option with many potential cons and unknowns, which I'd put on the far end of our list alongside invading Mars herself. But it is an option

>>5285624
>>TalOS shall take the Fabricator General’s offer

>>5286285
Fair point, but afaik, Hal hasn't turned yet, nor has Horus even met Lorgar or Erebus. At this point Baldy's just a highly valued client of Mars who brings back STC data from his conquests in exchange for priority resupply and shiny mastercrafted wargear by the freighterload. Sorta like an outsourced explorator fleet but bigger and shootier. We're the vested representative of a major militant branch of Kelbor Hal's own church-guild-robofraternity with interplanetary holdings and our own divergent STC database who can speak binaric with him and offer far more resources and tech, as well as a backdoor to rapprochement with the Imperials without being seen to bend the knee and weaken his position among the magi. Let's cast our net of spies around Mars for sure, but I think we can gain a lot of traction here with diplomacy. (and the Void Dragon's continuing favor)

>>5286302
That would be metagaming, completely out of character, and also retarded.

>>5286374
It's more the notion of somehow steering him away such that if he is still present and fabricator general by the heresy, he will at least stay loyal.

That is, of course, if we want to keep Kelbor. I kind of want Talos to be the new Fabricator General, but I cannot envision many situations where Kelbor would be keen on giving up his lofty position without some serious convincing via directly appealing to his sense of faith via intervention of our God. Taking it by diplomatic, political or religious pressure would just leave the problem of an even angrier Kelbor against us.

Ideally we'd convince him we are the true conduit of the Machine God and appeal to his true belief, so that the transition of power comes willingly and with good faith. But if we can't get that we'll need to consider that keeping him around and opposed to us is a very big liability we could try to deal with. Ideally by something a lot more subtle than just killing and burying him. Talos might have the capability to arrange an accident perhaps, but even if he were that paranoid in character I can't imagine he'd be happy about it either. Kelbor has so far done no wrong. Even the sins of arrogant Mars can't entirely be to blame on him perhaps, if he had done all he could as a man where as we are a Primarch and can of course do better.

Lorgar had it easy
When he arrived at Varadesh, the locals just killed the ecclesiarch and made him the new one on the spot.

>>5286285
If Talos applies himself to spycraft he's already a step ahead. Primarchs are good, but they aren't that good. They can fooled and some just don't care for spies. Perturabo was shocked by the betrayal of the Olympians, he was emotionally stubborn to demand loyalty from planet he bled dry and did not care to put spies to keep tabs on them. Lion let Caliban and his most trusted lieutenant turn against him, because he kept ignoring them. Khan had basically no spies so was left in the dark once the heresy hit.

>>5286440
You forgot to add the fact that we have a backdoor into the other legions via the Mechanicus.
Who, outside of Apharius, would bat an eye at some new servitors and a techpriest or two who spend some extra time at the cogitators.

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>>5286377
yes

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also check out this meems I found!! I made a collage. There are even russian ones that I don't understand but I FEEL them

Without the Pendant
>>5285633
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Echoing the Emperor
>>5285684

General take up
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>>5286592
Aight anon.
Girl and Chadmech
>Honey you are sick! You cannot just cut off your healthy limbs! You need psychiatric help!
>Since the moment i realized the weakness of my flesh, these pathetic growths disgust me.
Admehlets and Chadmech
>The flesh i faulty! The flesh is weak! iRoN wiThIN!
>The human body is the ultimate mechanism of the Omnissiah.

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The vessel that carried them through the air was not one meant for the transport of diplomats. It did not have upon it things like windows to allow those riding to see the outside. For TalOS the best he could do was occasionally take glimpses out through the numerous ocular systems that were placed about the shuttle. In the end he did not feel anything nearly as close as he wished he could.

Instead he opted to pray and wait just as his apprentice was.

Planetfall took half an hour for the two in prayer. The two of them rose with UZ1 quickly placing herself behind TalOS just as they always do in instances like this. TalOS sent a simple signal through the Noospheric network that was responded with an affirmation by the Apprentice who was behind him.

With them both ready TalOS sent a message to the Adept who operated the machine and the tailgate slowly began to lower itself before them.

The first thing to hit TalOS was not the martian wind but the sheer amount of vox waves being transmitted through the air. So much information was being sent through the air that TalOS easily tapped into it and found the numerous blessed chatrooms. It reminded him of Lucius, as even with all this information being shared there was not a single audible sound as he stepped out.

The next thing the Primarch felt was the radiation and sand pelting itself against his skin. The Arch Dominus recognized it as exactly as the datafiles described it. It was somehow a soothing presence knowing that he had indeed arrived at the blessed planet of the Mechanicus.

Finally TalOS paid attention to those before him. Both were rather small figures compared to him with one of them sporting a three ocular system. Tapping into the datasphere being created the Primarch quickly realized who it was before him.

Just as tradition dictates the Primarch kneeled, +I am Arch Dominus TalOS DAV1S of Lucius. I hereby express my thanks for being given the honor of landing upon the Red Planet of Mars, Fabricator General Kelbor Hal.+

A single tick of thought went by, +I welcome you to the home of all Tech Priests, Arch Dominus TalOS of Lucius. If you will follow me we will talk about your arrival.+

As TalOS rose he could not help but feel something was off there. That single beat of misspoken surely would not have raised any concerns if it was normal conversation but surely the Fabricator General was expecting his arrival and planned it out. Whatever TalOS just did, it tripped up the Fabricator General.

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The quality of the Manufactorium was something that TalOS could not even come close to denying. The elegance and power that was placed into the construction of the place was evident as he noticed every piece of framework held some form of artisanship.

The four of them, without any others with them, stepped into an elevator that quickly began picking them up into one of the few spires that overlooked the planet. None spoke as TalOS steadily felt the Infosphere become less and less as they went up.

It seemed this was to be a secured meeting between them all.

Finally the elevator stopped and the four stepped out into a rather homey chamber. TalOS noticed the variety of chairs, sofas, and windows that looked down on the planet itself. The chamber was obviously meant to receive people from the Imperium.

The Priests did not bother with the furnishing, but they did approach the windows so that they could gaze out onto Mars.

+Arch Dominus, it is a pleasure to have you upon Mars. Not only have you, a child of the Omnissiah, come yourself but you bring a warfleet that equals few exhibitionary forces belonging to the Imperium.+ The Fabricator General dictated as he gave a show of his hand, +The one standing next to me if Fabricator Locum Louis Karbringer.+

+Even I myself have yet to speak to a child of the Omnissiah.+ Declared the Fabricator Locum while giving a courteous bow, +It is my honor to be within your precense.+

+And we both reflect that to yourselves.+ TalOS declared as he gave a show of a hand to his right, +This is Adept UZ1, my apprentice and fellow for this meeting.+

+Thank you both for allowing me to attend.+ Declared the Adept while she too gave a bow.

The Fabricator General sent a direct communication to his fellow through what TalOS realized to be a beam based data transfer. Very costly, but it limited the ability for someone like TalOS or UZ1 to tap into their communications for this meeting. TalOS could not fault them for using it though as he and UZ1 had the Noosphere to keep their discussions hidden from these two.

Such were tools for the art of diplomacy. The two seemed to be prepared for a battle as TalOS and UZ1. A simple fact that both sides needed to be careful, for no one wants something to go down with an over hundred ship fleet hanging in high orbit.

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+If you do not mind me asking, Arch Dominus.+ The Fabricator General of Mars began as his oculars narrowed upon TalOS, +You do not feel like your Father.+

The Primarch gave a simple nod to that question, +That is because I am employing a nullification metal known as Blackstone. I use it for my own safety and a side effect is that it reduces my psychic presence. I feel to remove it now would be a futile and charlatious act.+

+You deny yourself the use of your own tools?+

TalOS gave a simple nod to those words, +The Warp is our enemy Kelbor Hal. To use it, even passively, does not set right with my faith in the Machine God.+

The two Tech Priests quickly shared communications between one another. TalOS could only get spare traces of the conversation as they refracted off the sensory equipment towards him but the feelings of confusion and even agreement revirderated between them.

+That is an understandable assessment, Arch Dominus. From the records we hold respective to Lucius you have committed Xenocide against one race while fighting another. Both held powers in the Warp.+ The Fabricator Locum declared while giving a subtle mecahnrite to point towards where Terra was, +We have witness bits and pieces of such terror upon the cradle of man during our exhibtions.+

+And those are the reasons why I do not employ such methods, even if I was built for it by my Creator. We, the Priests of the Machine God, do not employ esoteric arts but the might of the Machine God through the Motive Force to crush our enemies.+

+Ah, I have heard such lines from the Electro-Priests.+ Pointed out the Fabricator Locum, +Have you been studying their arts?+

+I have as of recently.+ TalOS told the two as he gave an opening of the arms in welcome, +I have received… an inspiration from the Machine God itself. Though I have yet to fully understand what they mean, but their secrets into the Motive Force are insightful.+

+They are, they are.+ The Locum said as he gave a simple singal of understanding.

+If you may, Arch Dominus.+ The Fabricator General began as his voice began to narrow, +May you illuminate us of another piece of thought? Your meeting with the Omnissiah, what happened?+

>Tell them directly that the Emperor is not the Omnissiah by being a psyker.
>Try to draw out their beliefs first, then confirm their ideas no matter what they are.
>A mutual talk, both sides should announce their true beliefs.

>>5286696
>Tell them directly that the Emperor is not the Omnissiah by being a psyker

>>5286696
>A mutual talk, both sides should announce their true beliefs.
I would hear what Kelbor Hal has to say, and it would be good if Kelbor Hal hears what we have to say. It is likely, we both agree the Emperor is not the Omnissiah.

I would hope Talos would say "Not the Omnissiah through being a Psyker" rather than because he is a Psyker. OOC Talos can show he is the Omnissiah through his works of the true miracle of the Machine God, but he shouldn't invalidate himself simply because he was born a psyker.

It might be a moot point if we go full on Blank, or perhaps through becoming a Blank we shed our Psykerness and thus become truly qualified.

>>5286696
>A mutual talk, both sides should announce their true beliefs.

>>5286724
I definitely need tho read up more on Kelbor Hal, only thing I know is he went dark mechanicus

>>5286696
>A mutual talk, both sides should announce their true beliefs.
Kelbor Hal is going to be confused.

>>5286696
>A mutual talk, both sides should announce their true beliefs.

>>5286776
He didn't join the Dark Mechanicum, he eas the mastermind begind it. He believed that Emperor was trying to fuck over the mechanicus and that he was a false Ommissiah.

>>5286776
He helped build the Abyss class ships in secret.

I want Talos to be able to get an Abyss class ship as his flagship for travel.

I think it's okay for Talos to have it that way, because our 19 other brothers have to share the resources given unto them by the Imperium. Where as we are the representative of the Admech, and thus having a ship of similar scale to the Imperator Somnium is permissible. Or at least that's the excuse Talos will give

>>5286782
I suppose my question is chicken or the egg. Did Horus and Lorgar introduce the idea of Chaos to Kelbor and thus convince him to form the Dark Mechanicum to the ruinous powers, where otherwise they would have simply been separatists.

Or was the pull towards the dark powers present there even without the influence of Horus.

Being a separatist and being a chaos cultist are not the same thing. But I would so like Talos to be able to convince Kelbor away from that by having a true omnissiah rather than a fake one.

>>5286696
>>A mutual talk, both sides should announce their true beliefs.

What if Kelby has void dragon blessings too?

>>5286801
EVEN BETTER

Then we know he actually had the spark of faith in his heart for the true god, and can even more work on preventing such a soul from falling into the dark gods clutches

>>5286785
You already have the Blackstone Fortress, that is your Flagship.

>>5286440
Admech saying: Trust but Verify

>>5286696
>A mutual talk, both sides should announce their true beliefs.

>>5286696
>A mutual talk, both sides should announce their true beliefs.

>>5286898
I was under the impression that the blackstone fortress technically Lucius's and we are allowed to use it because we are the arch dominus and we are about to go on a crusade. I imagined if the fabricator general ask we would have to relinquish it.

by the way what is the progress on our legions gradual disengagement and migration to Lucuis.

>>5286785
speaking of our legion flagship when we finally get our Gloriana(s) (I think most haven't been built yet) what do you guys think we should name it. maybe Adamantine Glory or Deus Mechanicus.

>>5286693
>Fabricator General was expecting his arrival and planned it out. Whatever TalOS just did, it tripped up the Fabricator General.
I have many thinks and thoughts about this!!!

>>5286696
>>A mutual talk, both sides should announce their true beliefs.
There is nothing but the truth, bare. The other two options are full off... emotions. I do not like the idea of basing our reply through passions instead of certain communication. Yes, the second primarch IS a passionate man, even more than his brothers, but this topic is not something that has to be discussed without the aid of numerous machie spirits

>>5286898
you didn't watched gurren lagann? The lasts episodes were capital-ship inside capital-ship inside capital-ship....

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>>5286898
Our secondary flagship then.

We don't seem to travel around in it all that much is the thing, just the Onus Probandi which is neither an Ark Mechanicus nor a Gloriana. Just like I don't imagine Dorn flew everywhere with the Phalanx even if it was his legions "flagship". He had his own gloriana too, the Eternal Crusader.

>>5287020
I have dreams of cobbling it together from or around an existing Ark Mechanicus. So in a perfect world, it's name would be Speranza

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Specifically I was a bit disappointed to hear that we didn't go about recruiting on Lucian crusade on our Blackstone Fortress but "a fleet of cruisers instead" which leads me to believe the Blackstone Fortress is more important as a defensive installation in the Mitu War where a Primarch still needs to be able to travel even during a conflict.

And cruisers are hardly the best we can do. They're not even battleships.

Dorn and Guilliman both had big giant fuckoff fortresses, the Phalanx and the Galatan respectively, but they also had secondary flagships for travel, the Eternal Crusader and the Macragge's Honour. I imagine on numerous occasions the Eternal Crusader might have been parked inside the Phalanx or the Macragge's Honour inside Galatan when the need arose or for repairs.

Could Talos follow a similar model? The Fortress for defense and big battle operations, a Gloriana for travel and diplomacy?

>>5286696
>A mutual talk, both sides should announce their true beliefs.

>>5286696
>A mutual talk

We wont lie about our beliefs.

>>5286696
>>A mutual talk, both sides should announce their true beliefs.

>>5287168
I am still holding out hope we are gonna call it something like 'N3wt0ns law' or the 'Ser Francis B4C0N'.

That ironic subverison of legitimate history feels in line with the general feel of 40k and its lore.

>>5286696
>A mutual talk, both sides should announce their true beliefs.
>>5287185
That should be fair if QM will permit it. We wouldn't be the only brother with both a massive fortress and a massive ship. Talos himself would want to feel safer in a much bigger ship when he has to be outside the Blackstone Fortress. When entering Xana last thread he felt unsafe without the null field of the Blackstone Fortress, but a large battleship could one day be able to hold its own null charge with technomancy applied.
It would also just be against tradition for Talos not to have a Gloriana-Battleship equivalent like the rest of his brothers. And that's one tradition we shouldn't break with.

After the Heresy, Magnus converted the pyramid of Tizca into a mobile fortress and kept the Photep. Alpharius even got 2 Glorianas, Alpha and Beta. Lorgar didnt commission one but three abyss class ships.

Probably the only primarch who wouldn't care to have both a fortress and a battleship would be Khan because a fortress would be too slow for him.

I'm 110% positive with Talos personality he'd want to have both, but he still has to get around to pimping out the Blackstone-Fortress to admech perfection first.

We also need to get around to naming it. Maybe we can christen it after the war.

>>5286696
>A mutual talk, both sides should announce their true beliefs.
yyry5

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>>5287185
Cruisers are Battleships. A basic medium size ship meant for ship to ship combat is the Cruiser.

>>5287287
>A large battleship could one day be able to hold its own null charge with technomancy applied.
Screw the geller field, this ship will have a null field so dense it will travel throught the warp RAVING at the demons, not the other way around.
Of course, the psyk candle would be a problem... and the navigator in two hells at once (null field and warp) sounds like a bad trip, poor sod.

>>5287305
>We also need to get around to naming it

I vote that we call our blackstone fortress, the "Invisible Hand", for it shall be the tool through which, the all encompassing and unseeable hand of the Mahine God shall affect the world.

Well, it is either that or "Deorum ex Machina", which translates to "machine of the gods" (a small nod to the Old Ones)

>>5287313
Ah! So when you say "A fleet of cruisers" you do mean to say they also have battleships.

Sorry, was a bit confused since 40k has a distinction between Battleships and Cruisers
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Battleship
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Cruiser

Battleship in this case are very large capital ships, like Emperor Class or Retribution Class etc. I think you mention you've played BFG2 so that game shows the distinction in 40k there too.

I still kinda want a Gloriana (or similar size) to fit in with the others. Combining it with an Ark Mechanicus like the unfinished Speranza would be the ultimate cherry on top. But as long as we have and can travel on the Blackstone fortress more when we return I think it should be fine.

Can we just say/imagine that the Onus Probandi is already about as big as a Gloriana? We were born on a Forge World.

IIRC both in 40k and IRL the general size classification goes from smaller to larger

-Fighter/Gunship
-Escort
-Frigate
-Destroyer
-Cruiser
-Battleship/Carrier

With more specialty classes like Glorianas, Abyss, Imperator Somnium being a step further but also often being classified as "Battleships"

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>>5287350
and I looked up at wiki-wand and it says

>Modern warships are generally divided into seven main categories, which are: aircraft carriers, cruisers,[a] destroyers, frigates, corvettes, submarines and amphibious assault ships. Battleships comprise an eighth category, but are not in current service with any navy in the world.

>The destroyer is generally regarded as the dominant surface-combat vessel of most modern blue-water navies. However, the once distinct roles and appearances of cruisers, destroyers, frigates, and corvettes have blurred. Most vessels have come to be armed with a mix of anti-surface, anti-submarine and anti-aircraft weapons. Class designations no longer reliably indicate a displacement hierarchy, and the size of all vessel types has grown beyond the definitions used earlier in the 20th century. Another key differentiation between older and modern vessels is that all modern warships are "soft", without the thick armor and bulging anti-torpedo protection of World War II and older designs

>Most navies also include many types of support and auxiliary vessels, such as minesweepers, patrol boats and offshore patrol vessels.


And with how loose the definitions and dimenions are, I have no clue now damn it!!! but I looked it up on the https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_Navy#Vessels_of_the_Imperial_Navy and there is this nice chart to compare... the ships you are talking about are larger than the Retribution Class battleship depicted?

>>5287305
And the lion got 3.

>>5287313
Does that mean you would consider Gloriana's and other Imperial classification "Battleships" to be medium ships while fortresses would be considered large ships?

>>5287348
Don't bellyache. Cruisers are the backbone of most navies.

>>5287432
Is that true of 40k navies too?

Eitherway, it's cool. As long as the Onus Probandi doesn't do us shame when parked next to the Invincible Reason or the Macragge's Honour I'm okay if you want to classify such ships as cruisers. It's just a different naming convention than what I'm used to but it works.

Onus Probandi is a great name by the way, it means "Burden of Proof".

>>5287439
it doesn't means "probing asses"? godamn it I have been cheated since thread one!

The same logic will likely apply to the other Primarch fleets so their mainstay ships are cruisers too.

We dont have to be concerned that we're using smaller or inferior ships to our brothers. Talos wouldn't abide that.

If he becomes Fabricator General or gains the loyalty of Kelbor Hal, Horus will have to approach him to commission the Abyss cruisers. We can just set it up so we steal it from the traitors rather than let Lorgar gain them. Because screw Lorgar

Is there any reason why we shouldn't have MORE AND BIGGER ships in comparison to our bothers or the nascent Navis Imperialis?

>>5287464
Armada Imperialis* part of the Astra Militarum in 30k

>>5287461
Makes sense

>>5287464
Maybe we already do. The Reconquista fleet is swollen with ships built by many forge worlds, and its forge worlds who build ships in the first place. If we don't, we just need to conquer more planets and funnel their resources into our ship production worlds.

>>5287474
>>5287464
Guys guys, its not about the size of the ship, its about the fire power!

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>>5287493
Technically, this is true.

The Spirit of Eternity was small, sleek, elegant. And absolutely demolished the larger clunkier admech ships it encountered. I imagine other such DAoT ships were of a similar quality.

Rediscovering even a fraction of lost Federation ship technology could be worth any number of large ships of modern Imperial design. Who cares if you're the smaller ship if your armor, shields and weaponry are of such ungodly potency of human design.

>>5286696
>Tell them directly that the Emperor is not the Omnissiah by being a psyker.

>>5287493
>>5287500
This is also the reason why modern navies have dispensed with battleships in favor of cruisers. Modern cruisers are faster, more fuel and manpower efficient, their missiles out-range battleship cannons and carry more payload while taking up less space and while firing faster, and they have superior guidance systems. If you added proper anti-ship missiles, a modern cruiser would demolish a battleship with impunity at range despite being much smaller. This isn't even factoring superior shield technology which is independent of size. I can see Talos wanting to follow a similar doctrine of technological superiority over just having bigger ships.

>>5287500
>>5287511
I just had a thought, we would need a name for our astartes/ascillian legion, so how about a name that combines our own expertise and the fact that we bring the two versions of our sons together under our banner: The Double Helix

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>>5287556
Not bad. Though that paints us as more a legion that emphasizes genetics when we're more into augmetics. It also doesn't roll off the tongue as well as the others. "The Double Helixes" like "Imperial Fists" or "Blood Angels" We need a name that encapsulates what our legion does and what we are.

And what is an Acillian? Well, in my own opinion, we are guardians. We watch over the Machine Spirits, and the Souls of Men from the perils of the warp. We safeguard the supply lines, the ammunition, the war machines, the factories. Our Techmarines will be prized among all others.

How about "The Watchmen" or some variation thereof?
Both a play on the fact that we are servants of the great cogs of the Machine God's device, and also emphasizing our role as protectors. Plus it will have more meaning when we invest heavily into Chronomancy and when we incorporate many different kinds of auxilia and cyberneticae. A fine machine is comprised of many cogs and gears working in tandem.

Alternative ideas (trying to come up with a simple name that someone who hasn't heard 40k might at least have a vague idea of what they do):
-Sons of Talos
-Marines Mechanicus
-Red Paladins / Crimson Paladins
-Lords of Technology / Lords of Steel / Techlords / Technomancers
-Omniscions
-Techseekers / Tech Guard / Tech "X"
-The Solar Atomisers / Atomantic Guard /
-Sons of the Dragon / Dragonborn / Dragonscaled / etc.
-Promethean Flames
-Adamantine Guard

>>5287651
- Crimson Guard
- Steel Legion (not sure if that one is already taken)
- Mechanicus Scions

>>5287662
Well technically Armageddon is still Ullanor and their tank regiment can name themselves something else later.

>>5287651
I like to idea to just keep calling them the second, it kinda of fits the mechanicus mentality.

>>5287681
The Second would take on a new meaning if we also incorporated Chronomancy into our legion somehow.

>>5287681
I do regret that Talos didn't say something along the lines of "The Second Unit has been recovered" to his Creator. But I can understand he truly sees himself as Talos Davis.

Even Corax thought his name was "Number 19" as a child prior to it being given by his mortal companion he rescued from slavery

I am unconvinced son.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/TempleOS
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Terry_A._Davis
There must be a powerful word among this articles that inspires the name of the legion

>>5287651
>>5287662
What about the "Iron Apostles" as our legion name?
It would fit both our personality as the chosen of the Machine God and our sons as the disciples of the (Omni)messiah.
Also, the Word Bearers Vs the Iron Apostles has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?

>>5287696
okay, it sounds amazing. And oxidized iron turns... red.

>>5287696
A third "Iron" named Legion?
I'm down.

Iron Apostles sounds great!

>>5287713
Red like blood...
I feel like Emps will have an aneurysm from all the religiosity and symbolism of our legion, I can already see him ranting to Malcador and him being all like "Boys will be boys" while experimenting with our psyker sons.

A direct declaration!
>>5286719
>>5287503

Mutual Talk
>>5286724
>>5286766
>>5286777
>>5286780
>>5286796
>>5287008
>>5287012
>>5287030
>>5287234
>>5287268
>>5287310
>>5287287

>>5287691
The Holy Elephants.

I like steel legon or crimson guard

>>5287762
Imagine we call our sons the Crimson Guard, send the psykers to Terra and take in blanks.
A year later they find Magnus, our crimson super psyker brother. Kek

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TalOS wondered to himself for a moment as he weighed his options. Surely the Fabricator General had heard of his assessment of what he said. So that can only mean he was looking for meaning within the words of TalOS. To comprehend his thinking.

But TalOS himself did not know if that was smart. While the planet of Mars believed in the Omnissiah this man that stood before TalOS did indeed attack the Emperor during the Unification Wars.

+On the Planet of Lucius, as we were so far away from Mars, we lost interest in the title of Omnissiah.+ TalOS began his thoughts with placing out a bit of history, +The Prophecy talking of the third member of a Holy Trinity became disenfranchised for Lucius did not have a stake in it. That a man would arrive on Mars and cause the first rain as well as repair machines. What did that mean for Lucius who was divorced from Mars for thousands of years.+

+It would mean little.+ The Fabricator said outright with an insight TalOS expected.

+That is how things began from my understanding. Though that does not mean the title of Omnissiah is powerless. It is evident that they are meant to be a unifier, a political title, to bestow upon the person who unified the Mechanicum. But that is how I see it.+ TalOS gave a mechanical shrug of the shoulders.

+It is indeed the truth that the Omnissiah has not unified the Mechanicum.+ The Fabricator General declared as he looked out the window, +He has… simply given us the ability to do so ourselves.+

+Does he care for our cult?+ TalOS asked outright, +Or does he not place value in the title given to him.+

+Not as much as we do.+ The Tech Priest admitted as he shook his head, +On Terra there was a great conqueror, one during the time that the Machine God’s presence only grazed its surface. He was named a Son of a God, but he wore it like a title of honor instead of the reverence it was worth.+

+Upon the name of the Machine God, I do not see the Emperor as the Omnissiah.+ TalOS declared outright as he gave the sign of the cog, +What of yourself.+

+While everything we have said is correct there are still things that place value in him holding the title. His mind is something we can hardly fathom and he did indeed bring rain to Mars.+ The Fabricator General shook his head as he thought about it more, +But he does not trust us and does not value tradition. Even our faith is something that I feel he will squeeze as the eras turn towards the next.+

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+You speak of the Imperial Truth?+


+Indeed.+ The Fabricator General sent TalOS a data package with a large amount of data within it, +The Imperial Truth does not reflect the truth of the universe. It is a completely different reality that it is trying to prove. I see this from the top and I cannot fathom how so many of our own people don’t even question his existence as the Omnissiah.+

+Yet he is still a symbol of what the Machine God desires of mankind.+

+You see the paradox we of Mars deal with. Having a Prophet who does not preach your faith yet is the living embodiment of it.+ Kelbor Hal gave with a good dose of annoyance.

+What of the wars we fought against him?+

+We miscalculated. We were not aware of his powers and ability until it was too late. Before then there was no agreement between us so we had to make sure Terra was still available for extraction.+

+Why did we attempt to forsake Terra?+ TalOS fired off as he felt they were coming to an issue.

+For it was not worth saving. The Terra you see today was not the one present fifty years ago.+ The Fabricator General sent TalOS a parcel of information that had coordinates within it, +You can judge the station yourself if you so wish. Fifty years ago Terra was filled with despots and psykers who committed atrocities of the greatest scale. It was far more economical to send out the Ark Mechanicus into space than it was to take over a planet that had rejected our kind for thousands of years. As for the Emperor, we were incorrect in our assessment in both his disposition towards us and his intent.+

+For he propagated the Imperial Truth and was a psyker.+

+War had a 99.9% chance of breaking out.+ Kelbor Hal placed a hand on his chest as if deep in thought, +When I felt the rain upon my Mechanrites and watched as Titans were healed, the Omnissiah arrived. War, a life or death struggle between Pegan Atheists and True Believers, was averted.+

+A Miracle worthy of the title Omnissiah.+

Thus the truth of the matter was ascertained. Indeed the Emperor stepped and grinded many traditions of the Mechanicus. He does indeed preach falsehoods. But neither side wished for war and the Emperor was able to see the value in a unified front.

Thus the title of Omnissiah was given. To make a miracle of peace between two empires.

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+Thank you, Arch Dominus.+ The Fabricator Locum declared as he gave a short bow, +We of Mars now fully understand your position, and that you understand ours.+

+I do apologize if I caused mishap with my declarations upon Lucius.+ TalOS declared as he gave an apologetic bow, +It is only due to our seperation of the time that it did not result in a war between our sides.+

+It does not matter as long as we maintain the peace.+ The Fabricator General looked up into the sky, +That we were even able to gather this many craft is extraordinary to not spark war. There have been no complaints from the Regent of Terra so we will move on.+

+The next matter, Arch Dominus, will be Xana.+ The Fabricator Locum pointed out as he sent a data package, +Magos Margin has accused you are fillandering with Hereteks.+

TalOS took a moment to review the document given to him. The details the Primarch would admit were truth in the majority of matters and where there were problems the Primarch noticed the Magos did not have all the information.

+You have claimed a planet of the Mechanicum for Lucius directly.+ The Fabricator General first pointed out as he fully faced TalOS, +While we can understand it if Lucius was trying to gain resources they are too far away for anything but spacecraft and other finished products. We have received numerous reports of trade now occurring among our other Forge Worlds but it does not compute with Xana becoming part of the Lucius Federation.+

+Those are reasonable assessments, Fabricator General.+ TalOS admitted as he narrowed his eyes upon the Tech Priest.

+Thus the reasoning for securing the planet is unavailable. It has also escaped my notice that Xana would not have become your unless you learned and acted upon something that Magos Margin was trying to learn.+ Thus the cruz of the issue was determined, +What was the true agreement that you came upon with Xana, the Paradox of the Mechanicum.+

The Primarch took a moment to think to himself to process the answer he was about to give. To tell the truth would place TalOS in the hands of the Fabricator General, but if he did so it would likely make him a potential ally to the Primarch. If he was an ally then he could legitimize the Reconquista and guarantee greater Mechanicum support for his war.

It does mean TalOS will be at his mercy. At the mercy of someone who he does not fully understand as of yet. If he is merciful though they can easily create a perfect lie.

>Tell him the truth
>Obfuscate and tell lies.
>Deny the answering of the question.

>>5287819
I know the Fabricator General is saying things different from canon, but ultimately this is right after the Emperor gains the title in all respects. How I think I'm flavoring it is that the Kelbor Hal awards him the title when the Mechanicus and Imperial interests align.

>>5287819
>Tell him the truth

>>5287819
>They did commit heresy, but out of desperation against even worse heretics. However, they have destroyed their heretek after winning, and spent the rest of their time in guilt living among the scar of their mistakes.
>The multiple layers of defense that the Magus was certain was hiding their sins, was actually a prison to hold back a powerful Data-Djinn, a remmant of their old enemies. Had he come with diplomacy and understanding instead of accusation and demand, perhaps it would have been him to banish the demon and be hailed as hero.
>I have integrated Xana to Lucius to offer them protection, companionship and the chance to for them to prove their faith. The alternative would be to put a vassal in all but name to Lucius on the parlament of Mars, and for them to live in an eternal farce. I find redemption much more fitting.
A little bit of truth, a little bit of lies.

>>5287819
>half truths
basically, i think we can fully admit they "fled from mars" some time ago under circumstances they themselves can't remember but felt shame over ever since.
Then they became under siege of beings of the warp, that they barely stopped from taking their planet which left their star compromised and themselves very wary of any outside contacts.
So once the mechanicus reconnected and declared dominion they had suspicions, suspicions they felt were confirmed once the mars liason only attempted to hack them.
An actual talk with Tal0S sorted that out, so they joined under Lucius as a buffer.

>>5287868
>>5287819
to clarify, i want to frame this as a 'mistakes on both parts' situation. One that Tal0S himself only partially solved, since he had suspicions himself, thus made for good allies in the face of Mars leadership that they feared did not have their best interests at heart.
From there we can pivot into the reason for our pilgramage and the problems we faced and witnessed, even if we also so very different opinions and view points on our jouney

>>5287852
>support

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>>5287819
>Half Truth (Lie)
They were infested with a memetic virus, one which they could not even warn about lest it spread. Had Magos Margin succeeded, he would have damned himself, his fleet or even possibly let it spread to Mars. By miracle of the Machine God, Xana has been cleansed.

We were lead their to cleanse the planet, by the will of the Motive Force.

This is not a complete lie, given that's basically what a daemon virus is, but we can leave out the name of it.

And it keeps their ultimate secret.

>>5287852
>Support

>>5287882
>>5287852
I can absolutely agree with both of these takes, i just find it important that Kelbor Hal understands that the way Mars has behaved in the face of possible reunification of Forge Worlds is a problem when viewed by these previously isolated and self sufficient worlds.

>>5287819
Changing my vote here >>5287833 too

>>5287852
>>5287882

>>5287852
>>5287868
>>5287876
>>5287882
I think we can mix these three together into one
They are ashamed because they know they were founded by people who fled Mars, but lost the specifics of what heresy it would be.
They were invaded by beings from the warp, which ruined their word and left the Data Djinn.
Margin, a martian, comes knocking, trying to undue the prison while acusing them. They are too ashamed and afraid to help him because he is a dick, and if he suceeds he would get possessed.
We show up, actually talk to them, banish the demon, and give them asylum. We even helped Mars, since if they joined Mars proper them it would just mean that Lucius would be getting an extra vote. Also they would to keep living in shame.

>>5287819
>Obfuscate and tell lies.
we would be throwing Xana to the wolves telling them that they are heretechs and have been corrupted by chaos. plus we just move our blank project their.

>>5287898
We made a promise to keep their secrets as secret as possible. So we shouldn't reveal too much. I think they don't have to know about the whole exile thing, and besides Xana themselves doesn't know what they did.

We should keep our promises, lest it bite us in the butt down the line.

Keep it simple, they had a very good reason to stay secretive, and what Magos Margin would have done would have if succeeded resulted in a bad outcome. It was unfortunate there was no other proper way to convey this without bearing risk to Magos Marin himself.

>>5287915
Hmm, yes that might be a problem.

>>5287760
The Metal Pachydermata

>>5287852
I'll. . Support that, yeah.
Though I feel like we may need to emphasise that they ARE under our protection. And not even Big E is getting a pass on that.

>Support.

>>5287923
Ok, after thinking about, we can cur that part.
Still, I think we should go for the truth of the data demon being the result of an invasion to explain the warp shit, aince that one isn't even a secret. And could explain why they didn't warn about it other than just the memes Jack, so they were wary of outsiders, and worried that they might be deemed tainted, because Margin quicly jumped to accusations.
Also I really like the justification on why we think they being under Lucius is good even for Mars, even if it might be wrong (I don't really know how the Martian Parliment works)

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>>5287819
>>Obfuscate and tell lies.
I wonder how much does Kelbor Hal knows. Do they at least know that the Ark that founded Xana fled from Mars? At least that is how I understood QM's story.
>>5287868
I support proposing the events as this. Xana had reasons to be wary of ANY outsider and Magos Margin's hacking cut any chances of propper diplomacy. In fact, we better shift all the blame to that hacker because *drumroll*:
>Magos Margin's actions strained Xana's relationship with the Mechanicum so much that TalOS had to maniobrate and negotiate so much that Xana becoming vassal of Lucius was literally the best solution, on risk of the planet going rogue.
Yes, I want Margin to be the scapegoat. He brought this on themselves.

>>5287940
I used "so much" too much and I messes up an article... english is hard

>>5287852
I'm concerned this reveals too much and might betray the trust Xana gave to us to keep their secret. We don't have to implicate them as having commited heresy so much as that they had a good reason to stay secretive and were trying to prevent the spread of something foul that had befallen them yes?

>>5287961
I already rewrote it multiple times, so no need to call me out like that my dude.
Unless it's to bring attention to other anons of course.

>>5287819
>>5287852
>Changing my vote, keeping it like this, but cutting off the first part.
I'm on the fence about mentioning they fled Mars, but legitimally don't remember why, because while it's a breach of trust, it's very light, and the whole reason why it's the paradox of the mechanicus, which is what Margin was trying to learn.
>>5287973
Just realized I never officially changed my vote.

>>5287819
>Obfuscate and tell lies.
Get them off our back when it comes to Xana, it's ours and we've got too much going on there.. infact I think maybe let's keep where we're doing this blank research secret as we can

>Tell him the truth

Because we're going to win his trust and support. Lying to the person with ALL OF MARS ACCESS CODES is just begging to fail.

So I will point this out, the main things that will get Xana in trouble is them committing Tech Heresy in the form of AIs and the mass cloning of humans.

>>5288089
I will also point out that you guys can always say 'According to my agreement with Xana, I cannot furnish certain details. I will tell you the most I can though.'

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Bit conflicted here.

What if the boot were on the other foot. If we were Fabricator General, wouldn't we value honesty? Wouldn't we want to be told?

Truth be told, as long as the matter was dealt with satisfactorily (the daemon was purged, the AIs are no longer produced and any that remain to be killed, the cloning was an act of desperation) its not so big an issue. Talos did resolve it to the utmost of his ability, and feels that the risks of resurgence being null.

But others. Could they do the same.

At the same time, honour comes into play. We did promise their secrecy.

Not many perfectly clean options here. We smear some small part of honour, truth or trust whatever we choose.

>>5288098
>According to my agreement with Xana, I cannot furnish certain details. I will tell you the most I can though
I will just throw my greentext here if it needs to be. I think its the least dishonorable choice. We keep Xana's secret and honour, and we have directly ensured what their previous crimes have done are a non-issue. We are not letting it fester.

Xana is no longer pursuing AI research. They are no longer mass cloning. I think, so long as our followers have ensured that the evil has been vanquished, we could permit them to keep it a secret. Its if they haven't ensured all possibilities of prevention of its return to the utmost that it becomes a problem.

If we become Fabricator General, maybe we can also make it a point to be less punitive and more constructive. To be equally scrutinizing just as forgiving. Approach us with mistakes and sins not in fear of reprisal, but in desperate and honest need to fix it.

>>5287868
>>5287819
>>5288112
i just remembered that we can't reveal their flight to mars, we agreed with the Xanarites that they were instead passengers on a time dispalced warp craft, so to keep it from being an even worse paradox the specifics will have to remain a secret.

>>5288328
*from mars
my bad

>According to my agreement with Xana, I cannot furnish certain details. I will tell you the most I can though

This sounds like a good compromise.

>>5287931
I will change to

>I will tell you what I can, but my agreement prevents specifics.

>>5287819
>Obfuscate and tell lies.

>According to my agreement with Xana, I cannot furnish certain details. I will tell you the most I can though
>They were infected with a demon virus, they could not warn of this lest it spread. Magos Margin attack would have spread the corruption if succeeded
>We have exorcised them. They valued our efforts, and sought to connect with Lucius as a result
>Do not mention the AIs or the Mass Cloning
This sums up my feelings. There is no heresy in being possessed against one's will, and we did exorcise them. Mars is familiar with demon viruses and expunging them is our job.

>>5288098
Sounds good QM.
So my vote would be
>According to my agreement with Xana, I cannot furnish certain details. I will tell you the most I can though
>The multiple layers of defense that the Magus was certain was hiding their sins, was actually a prison to hold back a powerful Data-Djinn. Had he come with diplomacy and understanding instead of accusation and demand, perhaps it would have been him to banish the demon and be hailed as hero.
>I have integrated Xana to Lucius to offer them protection and companionship. The alternative would be to put a vassal in all but name to Lucius on the parlament of Mars.

>>5288424
>support

>>5287819
>Obfuscate and tell lies.

>>5288424
>+1 Support

>>5288424
"and of course, i killed it" Based

>>5288424
>Supporting

Yay, I gotta count what I realized became a mess.

Since i'm part of the reason of this clusterfuck, let me try to help out

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Ce/EvO01 said it was based, but I'm unsure if it means he supports the vote or just agrees with the idea

LSZjLqmV reminded that we already lied about their origin, which mean it would conflict with his own write-in, but didn't officially change it

>>5288905
Fuck, forgot to count myself in the >Under NDA one

>>5288905
I think the anon who said based was just joking since he already voted.

>>5288905
So, judging by this assessment and the general attitude I think the NDA agreement holds the most power, but we are gonna throw other ideas around like the Data-Djinn to make them look noble. Also fuck Magos Margin and his entire career.

>>5288905
you missed >>5288035
for >Obfuscate and tell lies.

>>5288914
Even with this I think everyone is willing to tell most of the truth. Essentially those who go NDA after all wish to keep hidden few things that they are bound to never speak of.

>>5288917
Here I am kicking myself in the ass by virtue of not realizing I should put a middle of the middle option in the middle.

>>5288914
Thank you
I guess it makes it just behind telling them we can't talk about everything and mentioning the demon as data-djinn/virus/memetic hazard, but ahead of shitting on shitting on Martin.

>>5288912
Poor Margin. I'd almost feel bad for him. Though zealos and condescending, he was only following orders and might have been a very competent datasmith. Mars best perhaps.

Still, not the first scapegoat in Imperial history nor will he be the last. Tis' the will of the Random Number God aspect of our Machine Lord. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't and besides:
CAN'T FRET OVER EVERY EGG

>>5288922
Well, while my write-in did say he was a failure of a diplomat, which is absolutly true since he not only he snubbed Xana, he also insulted us, it did say he could have been the one to do exorcise the demon, which is kind of a indirect compliment by comparing his capability with a primarch.
Basically, just let him be a code monkey and keep him away from embassies.

>>5288929
agreed, if they have to send him somewhere, at least put a few diplo magos in his retinue

>>5288929
Reputation and prestige are everything in the upper eschelons of the Mechanicus. Especially Mars. Specifically Mars. Just as in the Imperium and everywhere else. A fall from such heights can be truly the brutal landing. No one likes a fall from grace and few like one who fell from grace either.

Code monkey if he's lucky. Quietly deleted, if we are lucky to be honest.

If he lives, oh you better believe we can expect him to remember this and likely one day be part of the Dark Mechanicum without some incredible faith the likes of which would impress even Talos. Our Brother Guilliman would surely be able to point out the dangers of people spurned if we ever bring up the topic of those we've stepped on to get to the top, since he had to rise to the top of Ultramar to be its dictator and surely had his fair share.

Actually I'm sure our Creator might even comment on such. Or Kelbor Hal.

>>5288947
>Acts like an asshole to forge-world because Mars is the top of the Hierarchy
>Accuses one of them of being heretic because they don't immediatly fold and have secrets.
>The FG demotes you and you seethe, even though he is allowed since you failed and it's his right as the top of hiererchy
>Ends up becoming a heretic yourself
Now that's a top tier ironic fate. Fits right in with the other traitors

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>>5288947
When speaking to Creed, Cawl calculated the likelihood the general would wise up to the pylons being xeno-tech and debated the percentage chances of assassinating him (they were low). Maybe Talos and Kelbor are doing the very same to each other or to Margin. Purely for theoretical analysis of course.

>>5288958
Oh, and the fact he was actually right about his suspsions and being higher on the totem pole, but losing only because he took it too far and crossed paths with a super special super human (tm).
Get one of those GW hacks on the phone.

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>>5288960
I wonder if we had gone with Psychomancy, we could have applied it in a more utilitarian way to accurately estimate the loyalties of people. Especially if paired up with Guilliman's strategeois. Kinda like in Matrix or Westworld where you simulate every possible action a person or faction can do and determine which one is the most likely outcome.

Imagine the horror Talos would feel if one fine day, his calculations inexplicably but undeniably start pointing to one particular person going traitor, one that should be impossible: Horus.

>>5288962
What did psychomancy do again? I'll be honest, in that one I just voted the one that sounded the coolest.

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>>5288963
On tabletop its primarily geared at being scary. Lot of moral debuffs and such. I'd imagine they draw inspiration from the Nightbringer.

>>5288965
Thanks. I don't know if going Curze would mesh that well with the way TalOS has been, but we couls probably justify it by understanding how important morale is or how the Motive Force affects the mind.

>>5288966
Depending on if Talos could do it/QM would have allowed it, I think he'd just try and steer it away purely from fear but more towards just understanding the human psyche.

It would be a fine display of faith, to prove to the universe that you need not be a psyker to have comprehension of the human brain.

>Lie.

>>5288987
to late man.

>>5288960
What number do you think Kelbor Hal saw when he ran probability checks on assassinating Talos

>>5288999

Possibly the numbers and values turning into litanies and canticles proclaiming the return of the machine god.

>>5288999
I imagine anytime a Primarch shows up the number starts dropping to where you're just comparing how many 0s trail after a decimal point before you reach an actual number. Or Binary that results as >>5289012

It'd be interesting if Talos could also sense any of Kelbor's security systems or traps in this tower room. Hidden disintegrator turrets and cybernetica in the floors and ceiling, force field barriers, teleportation devices, or even distant planetary defense lasers that could theoretically be aimed right here while Kelbor ports away.

But we're Lucians. We know teleportation.

>>5288999
Without plot armor probably not too bad of odds of killing us somehow. He's the fg of Mars afterall, this guy has access to alot of resources and capable people. He could have teams of people researching the best ways to assassinate us. Getting away with it though would be difficult, with our allies in a fleet just above us and terra right next door.

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There were few things that TalOS could really consider in this instance. Outright lying to the Fabricator General was something that he could consider but that also meant no bridges could be built. There was also to consider the trust that Xana has given to TalOS as their Confessor. To betray such a duty now would stain the robes that TalOS wore for ages to come.

Such a dishonor was something that TalOS could not betray even if the Fabricator General was the ‘head’ of their faith. Ultimately while they acknowledged the physical authority of Mars it did not really hold truly Divine power. The one who held Divine Precedent was the Emperor of Mankind, who TalOS realized might never have wanted such a title in the first place.

At the end TalOS needed friends in the Mechanicum. He did not possess ultimately the unquestionable authority of a Primarch but instead the powers allotted to him as an Arch Dominus. After all, TalOS chose to approach him not as his birthright but instead as the Arch Dominus of Lucius.

In the end TalOS gave his word and such a word carried all the weight of Lucius behind it. He made a vow and he will keep it.

+When Mars first came upon the planet of Xana the Priests of the planet did not know what they could do with them. Such fears grew exponentially when the Martians, headed by Magos Margin, pointed at them the finger of Heresy. They were fearful, fearful of the Magos’s wrath if he found even an ounce of heresy upon the planet.+

+You accuse the good Magos? His reports had sound logic.+ The Fabricator Locum declared as he was surely looking over the Magi’s record, +You decry that his assumptions were false?+

+Does it matter if they are true or false when the blessed scanners find a single data file?+ TalOS pointed out as he began to widen his own view, +That if the Magos found something that abhorrent that he would sentence an entire planet to destruction.+

TalOS waited a moment to see if they would reject his words, but they were not so. It was as if he had caught a serf stepping out of line. If Xana was found with Heresy they would have been allotted for destruction by the greater Mechanicum.

+Such things are understandable.+ TalOS gave a helping hand towards the Martians, +But the Xanites were in complete fear in those moments. Doubly so when their systems were infected with something not of our world.+

Kelbor Hal’s eyes gave a flicker of light as if a massive amount of power was diverted throughout the machine. The Priest began to tighten his bionics as he did not know what TalOS could have referred to.

+A data-djinn of the Warp infected their systems.+

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+The Warp infected their infosphere?+ Kelbor Hal looked upon TalOS with a hint of surprise and wariness.

+I tell you the truth, even if I cannot give you evidence of its existance.+ Declared the Primarch as he made the sign of the cog, +Upon the Machine God I swear upon its existence. It was the primary reason for the Xanites fearing Magos Margin, for if he accessed this item incorrectly I fear he would have been corrupted beyond measure.+

+What you are claiming is a Heresy of the greatest order. Something that cannot exist.+ The Fabricator General of Mars declared outright as if gripped by a moment of fear, +Indeed we have had the flesh of man controlled by foul powers, but a Djinn made of it.+

TalOS gave a solemn nod, +If Magos Margin would have found it he would have brought the entire planet of Xana to the torch, maybe even infecting himself in the processes. You must understand the Xanites acted as its Warden for so long yet could not fathom what could become of it if it got out.+

+How did it infect them.+ The Fabricator General began studying each and every word that TalOS now spoke. Before the man was obviously paying attention but now he was inraptured by whatever TalOS spoke.

+They had fought beings of the Warp there, during Old Night. To spite the Xanites for defeating them their leader whose name I shall never speak cursed them.+ TalOS allowed those words a moment to sink in before he finished, +It was its scheme to divide Xana from the rest of the Mechanicum. Only thanks to my destroying of it with Nullification tools and prayer that it was killed.+

The two before TalOS stood silent and began sending messages between one another. It was quite heated as they discussed what was surely a revelation to them. TalOS would not hold back the truth though, not to those that stood at the highest echelons of the Cult Mechanicus.

+Is there anything else you shall share with us?+ The Fabricator General asked as he took a moment’s attention back to TalOS.

+What else I know I shall keep in secrecy. I have made an agreement with the Xanites that I will not break.+

The Fabricator General stared at TalOS for another moment in thought. Obviously he was processing the information given and seeing if he needed anything else. Though he gave a signal of affirmation to TalOS.

+I believe I understand the situation now. We wondered how the terrors of Old Night affected our Forge Worlds.+

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There was a sense of satisfaction with how the Fabricator General received the details. He must have finally finished the Matrix upon TalOS and how he acted, though TalOS truly lacked a complete Matrix on the Fabricator General. The only thing that TalOS knew for certain was that the Tech Priest was not afraid to do things behind closed doors.

+I shall personally make sure that Magos Margin realizes his error.+ The Fabricator General announced first and foremost, +He has shown you Mars in a bad light and I wish to apologize for his incompetence. He was my subordinate.+

+The Federation of Lucius recognizes your words.+ TalOS declared with a firmness in his voice befitting of a Primarch.

+With that we must move towards the matter of your Reconquest.+ The Fabricator General pointed out as he sent a declaration to TalOS, +You take after your Father in his own Great Crusade, but you see yours as divine.+

+My Creator I believe sees value in those words. As a Psyker he knows how perception affects the Immaterium. Calling it a Crusade gives his declaration a sense of righteousness and power that calling it anything else would lack.+ TalOS said in an admitive defense, +I do not say he should have the right to declare it as much but that is how a Psyker’s mind would view it.+

+Interesting.+ The Fabricator General seemed to have taken a moment of deep thought as he began to walk, +Yours however I see the truth of the matter. A Reconquista, a Crusade to retake the lands humanity was robbed of.+

TalOS took in the concepts that the Fabricator General was speaking and realized the truth of the matter, +What is it that you desire of me to gain your blessing and vocal support.+

The Fabricator General gave his first smile as if he was talking to an equal, +There are a great many things you can give Mars TalOS, both personally and of Lucius. You surely have recognized the power the words of a Primarch holds over the people of Mars.+

So the man was expecting a Tithe, a bribe. TalOS recognized quickly that the man was either looking for a personal bribe or something that would ultimately benefit Mars proper. It could be the start of a relationship where TalOS and Kelbor Hal begin to scratch each other's backs. It seems the Fabricator General recognized that TalOS would keep his words in certain matters.

>If Technology if found, Mars will receive a generous portion of physical STCs themselves found.
>The Primarch will publicly declare his support for the Fabricator General
>A favor of action, as long as it's non-heretical, TalOS will pledge. (Essentially do a job for him)
>No, TalOS will not pay off Mars in such a fashion.

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>>5289162
If it's okay with you QM in this case, I would like to vote two things cause I think they are doable and won't amount to extra writing. If that's not possible, do the first thing.
>If Technology if found, Mars will receive a generous portion of physical STCs themselves found.
>A favor of action, as long as it's non-heretical, TalOS will pledge. (Essentially do a job for him* right now before we leave to focus on the Mitu Reconquista)

Okay, so here's my reasonings.
I think rather than usurping Kelbor Hal, we could in due time create a new position specific to us. One which effectively gives us great power, while simultaneously allowing Kelbor Hal not to need to abdicate. Consider that Rogal Dorn established the title of Lord Commander of the Imperium, which was held in simultaneous to Malcador as Lord Regent. Kelbor Hal has experience in dealing with the politics of Mars, while we have military expertise being a Primarch and conducting overarching affairs. Such a thing we could try to model here.

More the so, I want to give loyalist Kelbor Hal a chance. If we can influence him to retain his true belief in the Machine God, and resist the wiles and temptations no matter where they come, that would be one good deed Talos did. Having him on our side can change the outcome of the Heresy by far.

STC's are legitimately safer on Mars. That's where they came from in the first place, Mars has the best temples and security for their protection, and they are away from the front. Even Lucius was unfortunately attacked and suffered some losses. We can upload the data from them to our forges, and then return the copies to Mars. This is a very pious act, akin to returning holy relics to the Vatican.

Doing a job for Kelbor (right now, not a big fan of favors for later at an inopportune time) sounds like a cool quest which I think we can do. Pledging them STCs would only be a few lines of dialogue at most anyway. And maybe we can show Kelbor we are worthy of trust.

In due time, I'd like him to become something akin to our own Malcador to our Emperor, a Kor Phaeron to Lorgar or Luther to Lion (except not going traitor). We can pull out the stops and try to keep him loyal here and now. Even if Horus promises him more STCs in the future, we have shown we are able to deliver. We are of the same faith and cloth, and if we add trust and history, we could tip the scales to have Kelbor on our side than the traitors.

>>5289162
>A favor of action, as long as it's non-heretical, TalOS will pledge. (Essentially do a job for him)

Fuck giving Mars STC's of any large amount, They'll get those over time anyway. Fuck publically supporting the Fab general, We're not giving him weight behind his bulling of the other forge worlds.

A simple job, Is just that a job and one we can do.

>>5289162
>>A favor of action, as long as it's non-heretical, TalOS will pledge. (Essentially do a job for him)
I vote for this one because it is the most entertaining one. In quest terms, the other three options won't do much besides some dialog or references. With the option I am voting on, we are going on a side-quest!!!

Hmm... maybe the option of giving Mars a portion of the STCs would make Horus have a harder time seducing the fabricato general...

>>5289162
>The Primarch will publicly declare his support for the Fabricator General
We honestly don't really care too much about Mars. We want to lead our slice of the Mechanicum and go adventuring later for STCs. If we a talented fabricator general is in power, and we have some measure of influence, we can have a better opportunity cost.

>>5289162
>A favor of action, as long as it's non-heretical, TalOS will pledge. (Essentially do a job for him)

Well favor is a favor, FG already have a matrix of TalOS that shows that he value a honor. He don't know how quick he can discard such believe. After all words are wind and action what's matter. If in the future we discard the secret job the fg have given MC - then we will be hostile only to fg not entire Mars - which we can win over. If the job is alright then we will have ++ opinion with fg. So with favor we lose nothing and gain everything.

>>5289162
>A favor of action, as long as it's non-heretical, TalOS will pledge. (Essentially do a job for him)

>>5289162
>The Primarch will publicly declare his support for the Fabricator General
>A favor of action, as long as it's non-heretical, TalOS will pledge. (Essentially do a job for him)

These two are ok, but fuck giving Mars STCs

>>5289162
>>If Technology if found, Mars will receive a generous portion of physical STCs themselves found.
>>A favor of action, as long as it's non-heretical, TalOS will pledge. (Essentially do a job for him* right now before we leave to focus on the Mitu Reconquista)

>If Technology if found, Mars will receive a generous portion of physical STCs themselves found.
>The Primarch will publicly declare his support for the Fabricator General
>A favor of action, as long as it's non-heretical, TalOS will pledge. (Essentially do a job for him)

Get him on board now. And we shall become the 2nd in command of the Mechanicus. We'll keep our designation as Domnius but as Primarch we'll be that anyway.

No way can Horus or anyone else take him from our grasp. Coopt Mars and the rest shall follow.

Dad will also have to give our word more weight especially when it comes to the matters of the Warp.

Also. I kinda like the idea that ALL future Tech Priests have the option of becoming an Ancillian or Astarte.

That would really screw with the way things are run in the Imperium.

>>5289162
regardless of what wins, we can't froget that the reason of our pilgrimage was the ... 'aggressive' diplomacy of Mars in regards to their fellow forge worlds. Lets make clear that this will have to stop, or at least be dialed back, otherwise it WILL lead to problems.

>>5289162
>If Technology if found, Mars will receive a generous portion of physical STCs themselves found.
>The Primarch will publicly declare his support for the Fabricator General

>>5289162
>A job, so long as it isnt heretical.

>>5289187
>+1 Support
We may disagree with the current Martian leaders on diplomacy, but none can deny Mars is still the Holy World. We can download the STC patterns to our forgeworlds and allies, and send the physical relics to be preserve forever in the temples of sacred Mars. This is also Talos chance to endear the Martian leaders to himself, and change their way of thinking. Also Talos should just use his technomancy to study how to make physical copies of STCs anyway. That will be a clear sign of his divine patronage. The Admech is thousands of years overdue on the great backup and has been clicking "do it later" for too long.

>>5289162
>A favor of action, as long as it's non-heretical, TalOS will pledge. (Essentially do a job for him)
TalOS has only just met Kel, the support can come after they have built trust.

>>5289162
>>5289545
agreed, we can go slow on this
Plus, i don't want to look like we are crawling up his ass after we had a whole pilgrimage to tell the forge worlds to be more independent.

Fair points, trust has to be built slowly.
We would just need to remember to offer the STCs later, before Horus does himself. And have more than him.

>>5289578
We should eventually push to make sharing knowledge from STCs a common thing between forge worlds.
How is the Mechanicus suposed to complete the Quest for Knowledge if fellow priests hide it from eachother?
Also one day work with the parlament to built a new massive archive/vault, now that we told them that the warp can affect steel as well as flesh, the data needs to be properly protected with null tech and blackstone.

>>5289162
>A favor of action, as long as it's non-heretical, TalOS will pledge. (Essentially do a job for him)

>>5289606
HERESY *BLAM*

>>5289606
I'm pretty sure Mars specifically has such facilities in spades

If you mean a secondary storage in Xana or Lucius, yeah that's not a bad idea. Xana would be even better because it will be more resistant to warp corruption.

Let's be cooperative as we can, but we gotta leave things to keep track of things here.. techpriests or some sort of spy program in the servitors under kelbor hals employ. Servitors must barely be noticed in a place like this, going around doing all sorts of duties.

>>5289606
Gigabrain option is just to actually copy the STCs and have numerous smaller vaults. If you have the same STC on 10 forge worlds, it does not matter if half of them are destroyed, since you have copies. A central STC bank sounds like a disaster that is waiting to happen, and actually probably did happen considering the tech decay.

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>>5289799
We are going to meet up with Horst for an update I imagine, if Kelbor himself isn't going to speak of Horst. Horst has hopefully done some good work while we were crusading in establishing our presence here.

I'd be weary yet about doing such methods, as Talos does not have the time to oversee it as he is going to be off soon, and bugging servitors seems like paltry things the level of admech game Talos and Kelbor are at. More likely an effective espionage duel would require the employment of Data-Jinn and Infiltration Code by Talos against the best of Kelbors defenses. And Kelbor Hal is no mere techpriest, for he has grown upon Mars and rose to its top. He likely has the very best of Martian firewalls surrounding him as we speak.

But it is something I hope to see. The equivalent is Magnus encountering an alpha level psyker wizard on another planet of powerful psykers, one who is allied with the Imperium and thus not an enemy, and testing to see who is the superior magician.

I hope to see Talos become the technomantic equivalent of Magnus. Not just blasting lightning or plasma from his fingers, anyone with a gun or even a Jokaero can achieve a similar effect. Flashy lights and grav levitation are but fireworks, the true supreme of the Technomancer is mastery over the Machine and Machine Spirit. As warp spirits and wisps tremble before Magnus, one day wherever we tread may every machine spirit, from the humble lighting or door opening programs to the very spirits of ships or the servos of power armor, defer to us, true prophet of the Machine God.

I think that will give us the best footing and allow us to establish a fine spy program. One even Alpharius would find a challenge. I can imagine the Alpha Legion would find it difficult to penetrate the Thousand Sons given they can only send so many of their own sorcerers sleepers and you cannot clone psykers, and even those must beware the more powerful wizards and their tutelaries and who knows what other esoteric defenses, and above it all the third eye of Magnus himself. The same I hope will be true of our Acillians one day. Flesh and form may be mimicked, the human brain fooled, but the great Machine Spirits know all and see all. Great Firewalls, Verification Djinn, Enigma Codes, all stemming from us as the source will be our shield against the infiltrator.

>>5289947
I'd be genuinely surprised if that isn't what Mars is already doing. Mars is the capital of the Federations Tech, plus all the ancient century or even millenia old temples built by the Admech.

If Mars had the capability I am certain they would try to make redundant copies across different vaults of their planet, and then also sending out copies to forge worlds so they can start producing things.

Rather, I more expect it may not currently possible to do such, at least by current admech technology, and is something Talos might need to make a breakthrough.

In the very least we know that the data of an STC can be copied onto other mediums, as we saw the techpriest downloading a portion of the Spirit of Eternities STC databank into his ship. Maybe we might consider libraries of STC data on key Federation planets like Xana or Lucius, even if much bigger and less compact, until we can properly copy them. Or find the STC that makes STC computers.

>>5289949
ohfuckshitfrikheck! Hort!! We gotta see 'em!!! Maybe he has two or three ships and wants to come with us to the crusade, which would be amazing

Share Tech and Action
>>5289187
>>5289475
>>5289336

Just action
>>5289241
>>5289270
>>5289292
>>5289331
>>5289426
>>5289545
>>5289607

Declare Support
>>5289282

Support and Action
>>5289334
>>5289421

Big Bribe
>>5289398

Cleanly just action from the looks of things.

>>5289949
>>5290154
Who the hell is this Horst you guys speak of?

>>5290274
I think they somehow mixed the hame of Hevest and Fost

>>5290274
maybe inquisitor Thadus Valconet Horst (also seen as Phaedus Falconet Horst)? but he probably won't be born for thousands of years.

>>5290298
I think so, that or the Inquisitor.

>>5290301
>>5290300
Only way to find out.
>>5289949
>>5290154
Are you two talking about Hevest, tye diplomat we sent to Mars, but fused his name with Fost, the other canditate, to created Horst/Hort?

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+I shall grant to you a boon, a favor of action.+ TalOS declared as he realized the matters of thought within his mind, +You can surely use someone outside of Mar’s own framework.+

The Fabricator General looked upon TalOS with a widening grin of realization, +That is quite the boon and is worth my sponsorship.+

+You will have to make whatever action you wish for me to take immediate. I do not wish to have a favor hang over my head for hundreds of years not knowing when it can be invoked.+ TalOS announced as he laid down the restrictions.

+That is an understandable term. I would not wish to have such a curse settled upon my shoulders for what might be eternity.+ Kelbor Hal gave a solemn nod as he heard those words, +What I wish of you is to root out a Heretek that I know of.+

+To root out heresy.+ TalOS felt a moment of suspicion work over him as he heard the demand, +You are Fabricator General. Nothing will stop you from doing so.+

+You are correct in that I cannot be stopped, but it's the optics that I worry about.+ The Tech Priest sent TalOS a small data package, +This is Arch Magos Elyssium Korn, one who speaks ill of my tenure and a leader of incorporators. He himself has commited Tech Heresy by building an AI.+

+So you wish for me to eliminate him so that you cannot be pressured for attacking a rival.+

+The Researchers think themselves beyond the rules set by the Machine God. Few, and I believe the Arch Magos himself, have had a drink of the Imperial Truth and were found wanting in faith.+

+Apostasy?+

+That is what I have reasoned. What I do know is that he disregarded the twelfth law ever since the Emperor’s words have touched Mars. I wish to make sure that it does not spread further, in the open at least.+

+He will be dealt with.+ Declared the Primarch as he confirmed the materials that were given to him to be authentic, +The method to which I shall determine after the announcement.+

The Fabricator General nodded as he seemed to accept the terms, +We have a night ahead of ourselves to plan and announce times. All shall be waiting for our words.+

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The sun, red from the clouds of dust that had been brushed into the air, rose into the sky as everyone watched from afar. Millions of souls began to gather in the city as everyone waited for their chance to see the leader of the Reconquista. The one who went around and gathered support from all sides of the manufactorium.

A message was sent out three hours ago as an announcement. Any who were able and some who foolishly thought otherwise left their posts and approached stood there. There were Skitarii, Servitors, Servo-Skulls, and of course the Tech Priests themselves. All who were able had turned on their occulars so that they may record the event while others were taking in the many views being generated by the Servitors around them.

While all this happened the only sounds that could be heard was the buzzing of machines and stomping of limbs. None dared speak lest they rob others of their moment of respite and reality.

Such were the circumstances outside the manufactorium.

There was movement as the last of those who could visually see the terrace arrived. A door to a balcony that stood as tall as a Titan opened and out stepped two individuals followed by another pair. The ones leading the front was that of a normal human, and a Primarch.

Excitement began to fill the air as each Priest began broadcasting their thoughts and emotions through the air and into the blessed chats of others. Such a dreadful amount of noise attacked all that could sense such frequencies but those who could not was welcomed with a silence.

They watched as the two of them shared words and the Fabricator General stepped forward. In an instant all discussion that was happening in the data-sphere was silenced as they waited for the words.

+Childen of the Machine God and his Omnissiah, for a time we have stayed back and watched as the children of the Omnissiah walked throughout the galaxy to claim what the Imperium declares to be theirs. We have stayed back, exercising our right to rule over each and every forge world and no others. That ends now, for one of the Omnissiah’s Sons walks the umbrial code of the Machine God and wishes to retake what was lost to humanity so long ago!+

And with those words the Fabricator General stepped back and allowed the Primarch to step forward.

>Go right for the religious fervor!
>Invoke ages past and the future to come
>Unity in all things.
>Write ins, of course

>>5290320
>Go right for the religious fervor!
Because this is what separate us from the Emperor, we are actually part of the priesthood and believe in it.
Deus Mechanicus.

>>5290320
>Invoke ages past and the future to come

>>5290320
>Invoke ages past and the future to come

>>5290305
Yes. . .mybad, that was a typo. I meant the conservative guy we sent. Hevest.

>>5290320
>Invoke ages past and the future to come
>Go right for the religious fervor!

>Unity in all things.

The thing we need the Mechanicum to be at the moment is unified, to present a united front against all of the other factions of 40k, be in the Imperium (primarchs,emperor,admininstratum,etc.) or outside of it (eldar,chaos,necrons etc.). A house divided upon itself cannot stand.

>>5290320
>Invoke unity in all things.
>Lead into Religious fervour.

>>5290320
>>Go right for the religious fervor!
Whip'em into a toaster humping frenzy then ask for donations for the crusade.

>>5289947
hopefully we find the most holy UDB or UDD (universal Data-Bank or Data-Bank Drive) STC.

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>>5290369
There are two such holy grails in the galaxy.
One is hidden, so well no one found it in 40,000 years save those lucky few who guard it.

The other treasure is guarded by the figurative equivalent of an ancient ferocious dragon able to slay knights with fire and blast at ease. . .and it is not the Dragon of Mars. That one was built by the hand of man.

>>5290387
wait is that an actual thing I was just shit posting hoping we find an STC for Dark Age era USB drives so we can copy any other STCs we find..

>>5290410
Actually not two but several confirmed cases and a potential golden ticket.

One is hidden on the planet Hito, but a local order have specifically hidden it away from the eyes of the Mechanicum.
There's one on the Spirit of Eternity, which may or may not still be lost in time or lost in a spacehulk. Somehow, some way, Cawl was able to summon it even after it left the galaxy.
There's one on the Speranza, the unfinished Ark Mechanicus buried on the planet Halomar in the Halo Stars. This one is particularly unique because it appears to still be "updating" which could imply its designing new technologies to deal with the current situation and also has info on the men of gold.

And, if Magos Lexell Kotov is correct, supposedly ALL Ark Mechanicus have intact databases but the Mechanicus has not been able to access them. Perhaps purposefully by the ships themselves (it was the ship who wiped his memory of this knowledge upon disconnecting).

>unity. And religious fervor.

>>5290320
>Go right for the religious fervor!

>>5290320
>Go right for the religious fervor!
Faith and steel!

>>5290350
y-yea... I am usually confident that you remember those details and names... But you almost got it right!!

>>5290320
>Go right for the religious fervor!

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>>5290320
>>Go right for the religious fervor!
Rawr I am a dragon. Delete sys32

>>5290320
>Invoke ages past and the future to come
The ancients conquered the galaxy once! And we'll do it again!

>>5290320
>Unity in all things.
>Go right for the religious fervor!
We need to weave these two together. If we can get the Mechanicus to think that their faith in the machine god and unity are one and the same, it will make things easier in the long run.

>>5290320
>>Go right for the religious fervor!
>Unity in all things.
We are Humans and the chosen children of the Machine God, we have the right to the galaxy and by that same divine right we will take it to hold it against the forces that want to pervert His magnificent reality!

>Lead into Religious fervour.

We want Mars. And we'll lessen the divide down the line with our own influence.

>>5290320
>Unity in all things
Faith and zeal about, and will flow abundantly throughout the crusade. When the Machine God calls, when his voice roars, there is no doubt that his people answer. It is not faith our people lack, but unity of purpose.

>Attempt at write-fag and blatant stealing
"When I embarked upon this pilgrimage, to offer myself, my faith, my very being to the Machine God, I had dreamed of this moment. To place my own feet upon the blessed red soil of Holy Mars, to step where the Ancients themselves once tread. I had thought that I would be greeted by Martians. But I look upon you this day, and I say, 'where are the Martians'. Surely you are a great crowd. Did I also not come here with Lucians and Mezoans? With Xanites and Stygians? Had I not been joined by Stygians, Ryzans, Metallians, Vossans, and a hundred other worlds. Where are they now?

That is not what I see this day. For what greets is something far greater blessing from our Digital Lord. I came here as an acolyte who gathered the harvest of minerals, ores and fuels, but at the forge gazes meekly at the blinding glare of a white hot alloy. You have blessed me with the greatest welcome I could have envisioned. I look upon you and I can see only the Cult Mechanicus. I see the Children of the Machine God.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J0ohV3rlDg
Sons and Daughters of the Machine God... For many years, our congregation had been broken: shunned, oppressed, and conquered by our foes at every turn. Our forge worlds beset upon all sides by the mutant, the alien, and the heretic.

Years ago, our Lord asked for time, and that time was granted by you. You: the strength in His steely arms, the holders of His digital dreams...

Our forefathers embarked on the greatest exodus in the history of all mankind. An exodus of faith. Our forge worlds were born of the fires of that faith. Our enemies believed they could defeat that faith. Through the horrors of Long Night, through the rebellion of our own foolish thinking machines, through an entire Age of Strife they thought they had weakened us unto death. But through the heat of those fires, through the hammer blows of their hatre, as soft ores become hard steel we became stronger.

In the time you have given, we have rebuilt our church, we have rebuilt our strength, and we have rebuilt our pride!

Our allies in Terra stand with us, we shall show them the dedication we have to our cause. On this day, we stand united once more. On this day, foes driven to divide us will hear our voice! On this day, we shall act as one, and we shall be divided NO MORE!

Defenders of the Mechanicus dream, NOW IS OUR TIME!"

>>5291078
>>5290320
>support
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLNALmt6KFs

Deus Machina!
Glory be to the Machine God!
Glory be to the Arch Dominus!

>>5291078
Great reference. It's just missing one thing at the end.

"MACHINA DEUS VULT"

I sure hope we'll be able to top our performance the second time we come around to Mars in victory.

Today we speak to them through words.

Next time, through thunder, lightning, and the true rain upon Mars

>>5291113
>>5291106
Of course, it wouldn't be proper to end any war speech without those words!

>>5291078
I support this write-in!

Brothers! Now is the time to change the vote!

>>5291078
>Supporting

>>5291078

>Supporting

>>5291078
>>supporting
Good on you for giving effort to make a write-in speech nano.

>>5291106
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUH5tSm_kfk
>Not a distorted horrific machine screeching that shakes the earth
hey, we lost you on the last thread, welcome back

>>5291106
Where's my Mass Effect underwater thread bro?

>>5291078
>Support

Religious Fervor
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>>5290368
>>5290481
>>5290527
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>>5290782
>>5290797
>>5291078
>>5291239
>>5291249
>>5291278
>>5291380
>>5291106

Invoke Ages of the Past
>>5290328
>>5290336
>>5290353
>>5290632

Unity
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>>5291078

>>Supporting

Hits all the right buttons

>>5291078
Where is this being stolen from so I can track down the original?

>>5291413
I would say the write in is more unity than straight fervor.

>>5291424
Nah, the only thing about unity is it talking about everyone present. It does not go anything deeper like how humanity should be reunited under the Machine God and stuff like that. It is a call to action using faith as a primer.

>>5291427
Ah, so long as its Mechanicum unity, that's fine.

Do you guys care if we start incorporating red into everyone's garments now? I think now would be the perfect time.

>>5291439
It's the best time really

>>5291439
We got to Mars after a pilgramage and became allies to the FG, there is no better time

>>5291419
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zFSsmWNph7A
I just typed Killzone speech

>>5291462
Shit, I accidently deleted the rest of my post. It was meant to say
I just type Killzone speech on Google, so I don't know if this is the right one, but it looks like it is.

>>5291439
as long as we keep some of the original colours (what ever it was). maybe make red the secondary colour.

>>5291439
Based, desu

I’m all for going with a nice mechanicus red, along with the token black and white. Best to display our allegiance to the mechanicus in the easiest way possible.

>>5291427
Lol yeah I didnt have the wit or energy today for a multi page speech. I care little which vote it fits as long as it fits the one that passes I hope. Religious fervor is fine.
>>5291419
Right here >>5291462

>>5291439
just looked it up and our colour before mars was black. I'm okay with a black primary and red secondary.

>>5291527
Why did no one correct me half a dozen threads ago that the colors of Lucius were Steel and Black. This entire time I thought it was Beige and Steel!!