Primarch of the 2nd Legion TalOS DAV1S has finally made contact with the Emperor of Mankind. The Emperor of Mankind, recognizing his spawn’s allegiance, severed whatever Imperial ties the Primarch could have developed. Now Arch Dominus TalOS of Lucius must work with his fellow Forge Worlds to fight the war against the Mitu Collective and the Orks of the Grail System. ++The Rules++>Vote with Greentext, otherwise they probably won’t be accepted.>Write-ins can be accepted, and might even be used in the final without majority rule.>If you are going to change your vote, make it so your post only links to the numbers of the previous vote. It's cleaner that way. Archives: https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=The%20Machine%20QM
Within the chamber incense came out of every vent available to the Priests of Lucius. Around them the clicking and clunking of metal rang throughout the place as the Tech Priests of Lucius came to assemble themselves for what was one of the greatest trials in history. Many would even say it was not the desire to see the event, but their obligation as Tech Priests that brought them to this stage. Many on the planet of Lucius would not be able to attend. Even with the full effort and might of the planet it has yet to create a stadium that could accompany all Tech Priests of any side to this post. Thus the entire event was broadcasted through both official hard data link channels and unofficially through the numerous Noospheric broadcasts created by those in attendance. The Noosphere was alit with activity and thought as all gossiped and wondered about the coming event. Many felt a support for the Arch Dominus while many others have lost their lands, manufactoriums, and bodies in the second incursion that struck the gleaming heart that was Lucius. As these souls came the High Court that was coming into attendance also came in. The first to appear was the Arch magos ADM1N. Said man could be called the third strongest Tech Priest in military power thanks to his dominion and administration of the Legio Titanicus Legio Astorum. A veteran of all the Plastoid Crusade and passive supporter of the Expansion Crusade the man has seen levels of fighting few who stayed upon the Forge World have. The man’s emotions about the coming topic is mixed and tense as he has mixes of annoyance, surprise, and respect for the person on the trial today. The next to come in was Arch Magos R3KT. Leader of the Genetors he had worked closely with the person on trial today for several years to the point that they could roughly be described as apprentice and master. Though if one were to ask the Arch Magos these days he would claim them as partners in advancing the human genome. Indeed, the subject of today proved himself even his superior in genecraft. After then several others began to tunnel into the room like the horde of Tech Priests below. One of these Tech Priests was Arch Magos K00LT. ‘Mother’ of the apprentice to the subject, this held the esteemed authority over everyday Naval Activities. She thought to herself about things, about how her power was hampered by the subject here today. The ebb of Tech Priests, due to their habits of organization, seemed to cut off in an instant as they found the most efficient means to arrange themselves in this sacred hall. With the Tech Priests, both of the High Court and of the lower masses, finally arriving in their positions the highest ranking of all stepped forward.
The Fabricator General was a small man whose flesh slowly withered throughout the years. It was not because he neglected bionics but instead it was the sheer age of the man. His body lacked the majority of his original limbs as instead the Genetors opted to graft upon the old one a series of organic augmetics. That however to the man was before the time of the current High Council, before the current cropping of Arch Magos Genetors came to propagate. At last, he kept his sanity for long enough by employing a method of steady replacement recommended by those of the past. He finally sat himself upon the Throne of Lucius, an item that he had commissioned around three thousand years ago. The name of the maker, Adept Artificer L0G4N, was a good fellow that earned such patronage by exhibiting a talent the Fabricator only saw in two others. One of those men was the subject of this Court Session today. To a normal human it would have been an hour ago but to the Fabricator General he recognized it as fifteen years ago. As an infant spawned from the Warp through a teleportation array by the esteemed Magos C4R and his assistant E11IE. He ordered the Genetors to scan the boy for any forms of teleportation induced taint or mutation but instead they found the next stage in human evolution. That day the Fabricator General realized the truth of the matter. How the boy, sung by the Machine Spirits, would become the greatest figure of the Galaxy. From both shadow and light the Fabricator General gave support to the boy in the form of securing rights to Particep Semper and building the next generation of humanity. Upon giving the boy his Omnissian Axe, the one who lost his own name decided to help the boy create his own. Abhuman Superior One proved himself to exceed any thoughts or expectations the nameless one gave him. Not only had he exact his revenge but thought effort reunited the remnants of the Federation into a cohesive whole that proved monstrously useful the day Mars finally came back. It gave them enough ability to threaten Mars into giving his old position back. The Fabricator General could not express his thanks to the Arch Dominus enough. That was something that could not possibly be mistaken. The Fabricator General looked upon the assembly of bowing Tech Priests for a moment, +Protocol 11544; you are all permitted to raise your heads in my presence.+The Trial would now begin.
+Today’s hearing is for that of the Arch Dominus TalOS DAV1S. The Arch Dominus, under his authority as the highest ranking Tech Priest within the system, declared Protocol One. In accordance with the Protocol the actions of that Tech Priest are to be reviewed and scrutinized from that moment forward. Before its declaration the Arch Dominus would be expected to submit grand strategy plans to his lessors for cursory review. Upon invoking that, he revoked one of the core tenants that Lucius and the Mechnicum was built upon.+ Upon giving that Speech the Fabricator General paused for a moment as TalOS guessed he was waiting for any slow cogitators to catch up. +This in itself is not a crime. I myself during times of great strife took direct command of Lucian forces to fend off unwanted invaders. What matters is the situation that caused the invocation to happen and were the actions taken reasonable during that time.+ +Arch Dominus TalOS, I call you to the floor.+ With orders given TalOS stepped forward onto the floor welding within his hands the Omnissian Axe. There were minor laws against carrying large scale weapons into the Court but the Omnissian Axe was a symbol of his achievement within the Mechanicum. It was a badge of office and declaration of what achievements he had done. TalOS specifically brought it just for these facts. +Arch Dominus, can you affirm that on 10.560.813.M30 that you declared Protocol 1.+ +I do affirm that declaration.+ The Fabricator General nodded as he heard that, +And what was the reason for this action?+ +It was to instruct our fleet to flee into the Orkoid held territories in what recently was declared the Grail System.+ +And your reasoning.+ +We had determined that the Mitu were capable of foresight through warp magics beyond anything we could have known.+ TalOS stated the circumstance, +As shaking them off would not succeed, and splitting off the fleet would have resulted in destruction of our ships, I determine that if we were to enter Orkoid Space that the Orks would attack the much larger Mitu Collective and give us a moment to flee to Lucius.+ +Did it work?+ +Better than I possibly could have calculated.+ TalOS told the Fabricator General.
With that done the Fabricator General turned his attention towards those directly underneath him, +At this moment the High Council is allowed to question the plaintiff. All questions must stay relevant to the matters presented by the Court.+ The first among those to stand up was Arch Magos ADM1N who spoke the words TalOS knew was coming, +As I understand it these actions led to the devastation of visiting Lucius. Do you believe this action led to destruction wrought?+ +I do not, Arch Magos.+ TalOS told the venerable Magos outright, +While we did infact lead the Mitu to Lucius through our actions, the Orkish Warband was already well on its way towards attacking this planet.+ +And why were there no defenses to protect Lucius from that event?+ +The plan was to keep fighting in the most recently conquered regions of space. The reason is unknown as to why the Orks had a single minded pursuit to attack Lucius.+ TalOS stated while sending a series of documents to the Arch Magos and the Court. +That is my thought matrix finished.+ Declared the Arch Magos as he sat down. TalOS admitted things could have been worse, but the Arch Magos said everything that needed to be said. TalOS couldn’t really hold it out against the Arch Magos as ultimately he was right in hindsight. It was hindsight though, and that was the reason he did not pressure TalOS on the issue. Though judging from the feeling in his voice ADM1N was no longer holding it against the Arch Dominus. After those words the rest of the High Court waited and processed the information. TalOS could tell a majority of them were not really able to come up with any subtle or powerful rebukes to TalOS’s plan. It was a plan that only the greatest of minds could make realize, and TalOS in fact did just that. +Your defence to that, Arch Dominus TalOS.+ The Fabricator General declared. >Point out what happened afterwards. >Put pressure on the facts of the time. How cornered they were>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.
>>5255413>Point out what happened afterwards.
>>5255413>Put pressure on the facts of the time. How cornered they wereI don't really know what this is trying to say. is the point that no matter what we did the Mitu would have followed us home?>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.
>>5255430Essentially, if you put defenses in the way of Lucius that Lucius would have been noticed.
>>5255409Upvote the archives you fagshttps://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=The%20Machine%20QM
>>5255413>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.The reason we went ont he raids was to distract the Mitu so they would take longer to attack, wasn't it? And it worked, the attack took long enought that the fortress was ready.
>>5255413>>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.Any concentration of force would certainly have drawn the attention of the Mitu psychic choirs. In fact we kept the xenos occupied with our own fleet actions and allowed Lucius time to build up critical infrastructure and production capacity, largely in part due to our optimization of manufactorum policess and consensus building among our vassal planets. (Displays spreadsheets proudly)
>>5255443I can't since I was the one that did it, Machine QM or whoever usually does the archiving will have to do it in my place
>>5255413>Present everything via a mathematical proof solution that all other options not taken by us would have resulted in inferior probabilities of successWords and arguments of speech are a human invention and an inferior defense. But the holy mathematics of the Machine God is writ into the fabric of the universe and predates mankind, and speaks in a voice older and with more authority than any other form of logic.There's a canon line that when every forgeworld goes to war, they have already factored in each probability and have only chosen to do so when they have ensured the best victory percentages among all available data. And so it is with Talos. Let the numbers be our defender in the court.
>>5255465Also if this fits an existing option I'm totally fine with folding it into the closest thing.
>>5255465>support
>>5255465>SupportingThis is very fitting for a techpriest
>>5255410>Thus the entire event was broadcasted through both official hard data link channels and unofficially through the numerous Noospheric broadcasts created by those in attendance.+++---+++ Reacting to Arch Dominus TalOS Trial LIVE +++---+++
>>5255433in that case my vote is.>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.
>>5255465This is not a write in that can replace the others, desu. It can reinforce the argument but I don't see it being an argument by itself.I wanted to put the Black Swan Theory as a write in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory but this is not enough as well. QM did mention it through ADM1N's thought matrix; everything is being reviewed in hindsight. And I am inclined to believe the Arch Magos of the Legio Astorum was supporting us by stating the obvious for TalOS to answer.>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.The main beef is that TalOS actions lead to Lucius' invasion by the Mitu. Even if the Orks were the ones that did the largest damage AND were 100% going there. Damn, the Arch Dominus risked EVEYRTHING to save Lucius"Even though I did lead the Mitu to our planet, it was to save it." Orks being the real threat, I took all the measures possible to take ADVANTAGE of having the two sworn enemies fight each other...
Known as the "Hollow Forge," a name earned by the artificial sun that sits within the hollowed-out centre of the planet, all born upon the Forge World take pride in achieving that which others deem impossible. The burning star held within the centre of Lucius is perhaps the greatest testament to its people's success beyond expectations, for the artificial sun provides near-boundless power to the Forge World while also sealing its fate, for all, including the Tech-priests of Lucius itself, know that a day must come when the artificial sun's containment will fail and the Forge World will be consumed by its fury. Where some might view such a construction as careless, those that hail from Lucius hold firm in their belief that death in pursuit of innovation is the greatest sacrifice one can offer the Omnissiah.Amongst the many ancient Mechanicum sects that called Lucius their home, all held the unchangeable belief that the eventual consumption of Lucius by solar event will ascend its people to walk alongside the Omnissiah and, with such a path laid out before them, failure before such a prescribed time is impossible. Until that moment, the servants of Lucius are bound to stride forth across the galaxy, bringing His glory to the ignorant and malcontent.based...
>>5255619>This is not a write in that can replace the others> It can reinforce the argumentI'm fine with that desu, I'm just not sure which argument it may align with specifically is all.If I were to hazard a wager it would be>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.As showing that any proposed alternatives were considered and deemed inferior. and we have the Machine God's proof to back it up.In this case, literal mathematical proofs.
>When Mars and Lucius were reconnected, the Titans of the Legio Astorum were moved to the forefront of the Great Crusade, where the Titan Legion's preference for swift spearhead assaults saw it become a valued part of many expeditionary fleets. Supplied as it was by a vast network of engine forges constructed across the surface of Lucius, the Titan Legion was readily split across the galaxy, offering aid to many who requested it. Unlike those Titan Legions that proved loath to separate its forces too greatly, the Warp Runners held no qualms towards forming dozens of smaller battlegroups, retaining only a singular demi-legio numbering 50 god-engines in close vicinity to Lucius at all times.Wait what? https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Legio_AstorumWell Horus personally requested the Knights not the Titans... I didn't take in account that we had such a powerful unit.>>5255634I agree, that is the option that is the closest to an... eeh... integer? yeah numbers
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>>5255647I think you missed the most awesome part. They teleport.
>>5255653I imagine that makes for some very useful opportunities when it comes to Capital ship warfare with big huge open spaces inside.Not to mention defense of the Blackstone Fortress, when you can teleport them around to critical locations.
>>5255635The Titans and Knights of Lucius are best known for their teleporting anon. When they fought off an entire Nid Fleet solo they mass teleported entire armies(titans included) into and out of the battlefield back into their safe fortresses to be repaired/rescued and scorched all the nid flesh before recycling all their own fallen to rebuild their fallen forces(see denying the nids their own biomass and using their own strategy's against them) is how they won that war. Well that and entrenching themselves. It's how Lucius did what was previously thought to be impossible and fought off an ENTIRE NID HIVE FLEET SOLO.Lucius fighting against the Nids was definitely one of the most badass Nid vs Admech Wars ever.Lucius combat doctrine as a result stresses mobility(see teleporting fucking everywhere ESPECIALLY their titans). Lucius really loves their mass and supersized teleporting.>>5255627Lucius admech was always the one with the biggest balls. There is a reason why they were the only ones who ever challenged the position of Mars.
>>5255413>Any solution would have revealed lucius, the enemy were heading there anyway. These attacks bought time for the fortress to be constructed.
>>5255465>supporting
>>5255465>+1 Support
>>5255413>>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.>if we can, back it up with numbers>>5255465
>>5255668>>5255653>>5255719but what I don't underatand is that the wiki says that they are known for stressing their titans to the limit and going FASTA. Of course! believing>the wiki saysis definitely a mistake from my part and I should be reading some books about it. What books feature Lucius awesome balls? Does Tal0S have balls? It doesn't matter if they work or not, we just gotta have some to Tea Bag Mars with
>>5256073Their teleportation is in the wiki too, just that it's in the Lucius page instead of the legion's.
>>5256073This is also why I go to extended length to look up the citations of the Wiki and then find the specific book/novel the information is from, even if they aren't there specifically.That being said, Teleportation is going to need to be one of Talos greatest assets one day.Not just teleporting himself (which is cool) but also teleporting reinforcements in when he's under risk of assassination. It's the next best thing to having tesseract pocket armies (something else he'd certainly be interested in if we ever happen upon it).The main issue is Imperial Warp Technology is still, being a warp adjacent tech, vulnerable to warp interference. That is, until we learn Necron Quantum teleportation tech, which is not.
>>5256107https://youtu.be/-6TR4PfVJGI?t=11TalOS vs The emperor of mankind, colorized
>>5256110Exactly.Only maybe more relevant to Angron or whoever Horus sends against us.
>>5256113but I wanna fight big daddy :(
>>5256114Maybe one day we can battle him in duels of wits and strength.Testing out new armor models and pitting them against hisDoing robot battlesDiscussing and uncovering ancient history togetherWe've bought him some time to breathe and have accelerated the Great Crusade. And it is evident he is capable of spending free time and having fun. (Just look at all the Sensei he left behind)
Point out what happened>>5255422Facts of the timeElect the point would have brought attention to Lucius>>5255589>>5255446>>5255451>>5255619>>5255634>>5255980>>5255765>>5255946-_- Yeah its admech but thats kinda lazy and the person who pointed it out was correct that it does not erase the previous ones. >>5255481>>5255559>>5255880>>5255950
>>5256570I mean, I could try to write more but you mention wanting write-ins to be short and sweet so finding the balance is difficult. It's also why I ask you if you ever want some clarification or additional elaboration for it to be a viable option, otherwise silence usually indicates its okay so it's kinda hard to make changes when its like, right for the time of the vote. So I'm caught in a predicament.I'm thinking maybe a good compromise is making a >Short-green text write inand then following it up with a much longer elaboration post? So what you see on your screen is an easy greentext but you'll have a more detailed post to refer to. I'm mostly irked that it's written as the lazy option rather than the fluff option because I am definitely willing to write more on it.Tbh I like to think Mathematics and Computive-Logic are likely a preferred form of speech for many techpriests, rather than the archaic human tongue. Maybe acts as a form of legal language too. What is law, after all, but a series of protocols. A program. In any case, I'm quite I'm fine with any of the three pre-set options. I just wanted to be able to disprove, with the addition of the blessed mathematics and the equations of war, those who insist on why other alternatives were not taken.
>>5256599Exactly what I want! It makes it easier to understand what you want for both myself and others. My only issue with your write in is that it did not have any meat in it. Yeah TalOS could present his stance in numbers, but that only gives limited understanding and TalOS was trying to justify coming up with those numbers. After all, without the Protocol, those numbers would have caused immediate mutiny.
>>5256600Alright! I'll do that from now on.Truth be told I think what i wrote still fits the "any solution would have revealed Lucius". The Orks were confirmed to have already been headed for lucius prior to our interaction with them, thus the visitation of the Orks upon Lucius was not our fault. We did in fact propose to the High Council an operation to attempt to buy further time by limiting Lucius void signature and creating a decoy, but time and resource constraints foiled this alternative.Given that, we chose the option which resulted in the most interference between the Mitu Fleet and the Orks while concordantly resulting in the highest number of ships survival to fight in the battle.It follows then that we could show via actual percentages and projections, how much more damage Lucius would have suffered if the fleet we arrived with was diminished in size or the Orks arrived here sooner due to other alternatives, as well as the increased probabilities of total annihilation if the Blackstone Fortress or ourselves were not available for the battle.The arrival of Horus and the Emperor was an incalculable variable that could not be predicted into the calculations at the time. Had we known their arrival immiment it is likely our calculations and actions would adjust to that, but it it is as the Magos says, hindsight.tl;dr "any solution would have revealed Lucius" is still correct. And we have the math to prove it.
We can probably even cook up actual holographic/mental projections of how much more damage Lucius would suffer had we chosen alternatives to Protocol 1."And here is what the planet would look like if I had been lost or delayed in space due to scattering the fleet. Likelihood of total subjugation by Ork/Mitu increases by 98%, with a 2% likelihood of them managing to detonate the core"
>>5256611Alright, thats kinda cool, but I already finished writing that part of the update. Sorry.
>>5256613Darn. I mean, you could just add a line or two right? It's not that hard to say "and Talos was even able to display via noosphere exactly the outcome of any alternatives"I'll be extra clear on asking if any clarification is needed next time, I shouldn't have taken silence for granted.
>>5256628I am aiming to get this all written before eight my time. So you don't feel too slighted, I am writting four pages worth of material tonight.
Have faith that our fellow techpriests are smart enough to see Talos' reasoning and do the numbers themselves.Woe to whomever is stupid enough to ask a techpriest Primarch "prove it". Talos could bury them in a mountain of calculations and shame.
TalOS took a moment to think to himself and planned out the defence. Though TalOS also wondered to himself if he was just doing it for show or genuinely trying to figure out what he should declare. TalOS had to place weight in the former category though as he was surely trying to verify that the defence that he was going to present to the Court and the Priests of Lucius was a good one. The last thing that TalOS wanted to do was cause his people to despair at his answer. Ultimately he kept himself calm during these moments. The smell of incense coming across his senses helped more than anything else the Primarch could have hoped for. +Ultimately, my plan was to keep Lucius hidden from the outsiders.+ TalOS declared as he finally solidified his argument, +Lords of Lucius, it had come to my understanding that the Plastoids were by proxy a protector of Lucius for they were corrupted xenos from what might have been an age ago for the Xenos. The Mitu were not yet aware of their ultimate demise at our hands.+ TalOS took in a breath and allowed the incense to cloud his mind for a moment, +The tactic that the Plastoids used against Lucius when we turned to attack them was something they used in the entire region. Attacking wayward ships in the warp through teleportation as if they were daemons themselves.+ To those words chatter began to erupt within the numerous chat rooms of the silent assembly. The Tech Priests did not speak a single word lest they ruin the defense of an ultimately respected member of their society. +The Mitu Collective feared this tactic. Such a fearsome way to attack your enemies at the moment they were most vulnerable and calm. The Mitu, aware of such a threat, had cordoned off our part of the system in an attempt to keep the dreadful Plastoids from reaching anything more than their desolate planet. The chance of them testing this case was at 1.3%.+ TalOS gave a wave to the room after those words, +We had destroyed the Plastoids. We had survived their attacks and brought armageddon to their world. The Mitu however did not know of this and continued their cordon of fear. If I were to act as the Arch Magos suggest, then they would have learned of the Plastoid defeat and Lucius’s ascendence. The chance was in our favor.+ TalOS allowed himself a moment to allow everyone to understand his words. It was a long moment that TalOS knew would decide his fate but he trusted his own words and the minds of Lucius. He was not some charlatan trying to hide his crimes but a direct touch into his thoughtprocess. +My actions that day revealed that the Orks were driven to Lucius for no reason other than their insanity. Maybe they felt their doom at the presence of the Blackstone Fortress or the prowess of Lucius. Either way, I delayed both sides from arriving at Lucius long enough for the Fortress to activate and the Machine God to bless us with the Imperium of Man.+
TalOS finished his words to a silent court. However the chats within the Noosphere demonstrated that TalOS had indeed awakened a congratulations and applause from his audience. +If that is your defence Arch Dominus TalOS we will move on to the vote by our Brothers and Sisters of the Mechanicus.+ Declared the Fabricator General, +Initiating Protocol 146.+ Upon those words the Noosphere created a polling system that instantly began recording the votes of the numerous Tech Priests that attended the session today. TalOS knew for a fact this was not just those here in the flesh but those who had watched it from afar in their Manufactoriums. After all, Lucius could not stop rebuilding for a single trial now could it. As data flew over TalOS’s head he could not help but take a moment to awe at what was happening. That an entire world in an instant discussed with one another the situation and determined it with their own logic matrixes. It went on for twelve minutes. While Noospheric transmission was instant across the planet it gave the Tech Priests to debate and confirm what it was they would vote for. TalOS knew for a fact that he was safe now. It was just a feeling he got listening to the singing of the Machine Spirits recording the thoughts of all upon Lucius. The twelve minutes finally ended and the Fabricator General began his speech. His tone was as always that of an old man but the hint of satisfaction laid within it, +Lucius has spoken, the majority declared that the Arch Dominus has done what was determined logical at the time and shall not be charged with any crimes for what happened upon Lucius. I had talked to him before his moment, and the Arch Dominus has informed me that he will remain at his position for the foreseeable future.+ Upon those words TalOS’s fate was saved though that was not the end of the Fabricator General’s speech, +We of the High Court have conversed and agree that it is time we start talking to our fellows throughout the Galaxy. As we prepare for war the Arch Dominus shall visit our sister planets among the stars and make allies of them. Upon his return, we will strike at both the Orks and the Mitu who have scarred our world so profoundly alongside our brothers and sisters of other stars.+ With those words the trial was over. Lucius has spoken of their desire to see TalOS stay his position.
+You suceeded.+ Declared UZ1 as TalOS slowly made his way into the halls where she awaited her Master. +That is correct. I have read some of the propaganda that was distributed by the Martians and I find it is deeply wrong. My kind can still feel the horror of chance, when all that you have worked for could be destroyed in the matter of twelve minutes.+ +If our understanding of Horus Lupercal is correct it is deeply evident why that is the case. He would try his best to make them think that.+ Declared the Apprentice as she joined the master in their walk. +Have the data engines determined our path yet?+ TalOS asked the Adept as they made a turn through the halls. +Indeed, we will be visiting what the Imperials declared to be Segmentums Pacificus and Solar. They currently hold the highest density of known Forge Worlds and due to the Astronomicon’s presence it is the fastest region to travel through.+ She admitted as she gave TalOS a data package, +My conversations with the Navigator Houses has been… odd.+ TalOS accepted the package and looked over it himself for a few moments, +Their rooms are… gaudy. Wouldn’t that be a subjective fact.+ UZ1 gave a small nod to that inference, +It was to the extent that it was an objective fact.+ +Can you share with me a data parcel for example?+ TalOS could not help but feel his curiosity start to overwhelm him. A second later the Arch Dominus saw something that shook him, +So much gold. Does it by chance have relation to their arts as ephetic links to the Astronomicon?+ +An act of emulating the one who operates it so that they tether closer to the ideas?+ UZ1 spoke out TalOS’s thoughts before giving a subtle confused nod, +I do not know. I have however been given a complaint from the Head of House London. He wishes that we develop a manner to which his household members could survive the presence of the Blackstone Fortress.+ +Are they issuing a Work Stoppage because of that fact?+ +Not yet.+ +Then it will not be of immediate concern.+ TalOS declared as they walked through the halls, +There are a variety of other matters that need our addressing. Someone who I have been needing to visit but did not have the time yet to.+ The two of them took another turn, this time towards the highest grade Medicae.
TalOS was given a smell of incense and sterilizer in the air. It was a mix that TalOS did not fully agree with but knew it was necessary. The destruction of the micro lifeforms that threatened all of human existence needed to be wiped out in such a vulnerable place after all. About the building were the numerous Skitarii, Adepts, and Serfs that had proven themselves noble in Lucius’s greatest hour. Under the care and repair of Arch Magos R3KT they were all given a new lease of life that would be impossible at any other place in the Empire. Such powerful wills was something Lucius could not lose. As he helped the Arch Magos occasionally TalOS was aware of each and every one of their fates. For their service each and every one of them would be fitted with mechanical limbs and given a raise in standing among their fellows. TalOS here today was to visit what might be the greatest of all present. The one who single handedly saved Lucius from disaster. The curtains embroidered with the sigil of House Borgius were moved away and TalOS looked at the once burnt form of Fredric Borgius. The Prince looked at TalOS with his one good eye with a moment of stunned fascination before making a wave at the Servitors working on him. TalOS gave a quick burst of binaric orders that forced the Servitors to abandon their current station and stand aside for the Arch Dominus. Giving the person a bow TalOS declared, “Prince Fredric Borgius, I cannot express to you in the words of flesh how much I can thank you. Through your actions Lucius stood victorious and will now usher an age of revenge against those that have scared our planet so.” The Prince gave a subtle laugh as he heard those words, “Thank you, Prophet of the Machine God. I did not think anyform of apostasy would result in this though.” “Flesh is weak, that is what we say. Though I know many that would resist such a sudden change knowing that it can harm the sanity of the soul.” “Its… something to get use to.” Admitted the Prince as he slowly began to move his newly forged bionic arm, “But those people never rode a Knight into battle. It feels just like that.” “I can agree, but just like a Knight or Titan it takes time to get use to the new limbs.” TalOS told the Prince with a small lamentation, “My Kind, the Priests of the Machine God, sometimes misunderstand the truth of some matters for they have few references for it.”“Well, at least one of you do.” The Prince Told TalOS with a subtle but pained smile, “But I really don’t want to hear the jests at court, Prophet. I have lost a certain limb and guaranteed the lost of my family’s line. My Father was never able to sire another son after all.” “Do not worry, the Cult Mechanicus have found ways to fully replace such pieces of flesh.” TalOS joked much to the Prince’s relief.
>Dominus Borgius shall be reforged as it was, such a noble machine. >As reward the *Insert Knight* shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology. >For such actions, you will become House Borgius’ first Princep and a Titan to match such an honor.
>>5256648>As reward the knight: "Pride of Borgius" shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.Can Talos reward him with a custom designed Acastus sized Knight? Maybe one that has arms so it can also hold melee weapons if the Prince still wants to be able to fight in melee?It's about the size of a Scout Titan, while not being an actual titan, so it cannot be said we are overly favoring Borgius too much if Navaros complains . At the same time, he doesn't have to believe he is no longer a knight by being a princeps which I can imagine isn't exactly what he or his fathered planned. He's earned an upgrade for slaying a Gargant.Lol I was thinking today how much the knights have been a very large and valuable asset to us, and ways we could reward or improve them.
>>5256648>>For such actions, you will become House Borgius’ first Princep and a Titan to match such an honor.He got his arm and his pecker shot off holding the line and remained cheerful throughout the process. In the Omnissiah's name if that's not worth a promotion to Princeps I don't know what is.
>>5256648>As reward the Archangel Borgius shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.The knights keep calling themselves angels, so it fits that their leader is an Archangel, right?
>>5256662Quit lowballing. Our guy deserves a geneforged replacement tallywhacker worthy of Ron Jeremy, a bridgeful of the sexiest Moderati we can find him, and a close combat specced Reaver to lead the line from.
>>5256648what kinda titan would he get. Personally, I think the Warhound would suit him best.
>>5256678Seeing what you guys were gonna suggest, but my default was gonna be Imperator.
>>5256681Shit on me that's OP as fu... I mean, Yes Mr. QM Sir, I'll happily rescind whatever I said before for a proper lancemate.
>>5256681in that case, I will support>As a reward the Archangel Borgius shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.My reason is that being a Princeps is a huge strain and the larger the machine the stronger the machine spirit. with a connection that strong he might be unable to continue his duties as a prince. also, we can't elevate his house that much above his rival.
"Ultimately he kept himself calm during these moments""TalOS took in a breath and allowed the incense to cloud his mind for a moment""My kind can still feel the horror of chance, when all that you have worked for could be destroyed in the matter of twelve minutes"I'll never not be impressed by Talos humanity, despite being both Primarch and a Techpriest. Most of his other brothers would deny knowing what fear is (except of Curze) and put on a face of utter self-confidence, while other techpriests would simply delete the sense of anxiety and not bother with lungs. But Talos is ready to admit when he is afraid and face it with faith.No matter how metal he becomes on the outside, he'll always have a humans heart. Two of them actually.>>5256670It's worthy, but is it what he would truly want? It takes years and a chance of death to become a Knight pilot, it would take just as much education to become a Princeps. He'd have to get entirely new implants, undergo extensive retraining at the Collegia Titanica, and at the end of it. . .he wouldn't be a Knight of House Borgius. He would be a son of his father, a noble of the House, and bring much honor being the first of their number to become a Titan pilot. But he would never be a Knight. No more gathering with your fellow Princes, Lords and Barons on and off the battlefield, part of the gallantry glory in the feasting halls. He might gain new friends and comrades in the Collegia Titanica school and his fellow magus crew, but the Collegia Titanica is not the Questor Imperialis.It's like changing from being a Tank Commander to a Helicopter Pilot. Its just as honorable, but you aren't really gonna be part of the same crew or unit.More importantly, he'd never be able to compete with Prince Alexander on equal standing and best him on the field. And that might be the worst thing of all!
It'd be like if a very young guardsman were somehow able to become a space marine or acillian. He'd surely bring honor, might even be lucky to come back and chat up with the men from his old squad and previous life. But he'd never be part of them again, know what I mean. We would gain an excellent Princeps, but lose the finest Knight Prince we have. And we only have two very good ones, so that's losing half! Plus, he's the main motivation to convince Alexander to match his feats
>>5256692It'll grant honor to his House and give the upstart Alexander something to catch up to. Eventually we'll have two feudal badasses leading Titan Maniples with their respective Knight Housed nipping at their heels. Think Bigger. If we want to keep expanding and take the war to the Mitu and Orks, we'll need capable subcommanders in durable chassis. Also I don't think your analogy for the jump from Knight to Titan works. It's not even tanker to Mech pilot, more like starfighter pilot to corvette captain, mostly the same shit you've been doing but now you have a bridge crew and a smarter Machine Spirit to interact with.
>>5256694A well driven Titan is worth a pack of Knights all day.
>>5256692>>5256694Make Alexander a princep too. But Frederick gets his first so he gets the title of first Princep of Dutonis, Alexander becomes Second Princep. Not like he was sitting around doing nothing in the battle either.
>>5256699>itlphfX8make him earn it in the field though
>>5256694Please don't tell me we can't promote him because he's too good at his job, this is why people shoot up their own offices.
>>5256699wouldn't that kinda cheapen the honour though? "I lost my dick and arm killing a Gargant what the fuck did this asshole do to get the same reward?" I'd sure as fuck be a little bitter about that.
>>5256702Agree 1000%. Princeps is a hell of a carrot. Let the other guy single handedly save a planet (which he likely will eventually) before raising his rank to match his rival.
>>5256700Did you put your own ID on the post? I seem anons accidently write the captcha there before, but that one is new.
>>5256707not a clue, hit reply and started typing
>>5256696I mean even in that analogy, a corvette captain isn't going to share the same sort of stories about the awesome sorties and dogfights with the old fighter crew. He'd be part of the bridge team and naval officers. Not to mention having to be taken away be trained for ship command.>>5256699>>5256699>Plan for both of them to become PrincepsThat's. . .a brilliant idea. Let Alexander know he can also earn the same title. Frederick will have someone to work forward too.>>5256701I don't know if you can call a Princep a promotion over becoming an entirely different thing. Knight Houses and the Collegia Titanica are entirely separate organizations with different cultures. But that is fair.I suppose the real question is if we can be sure Frederick is up for the task of mastering a Titan machine spirit. Titans are an order of magnitude more ferocious than knights, something like only one in a million survive. Perhaps Talos can accurately tell that Frederick will pass.
>>5256648>For such actions, you will become House Borgius’ first Princep and a Titan to match such an honor.>Geneprint him a fix for this line issue.
>>5256705what makes you think he will save a planet by himself. we are gathering an overwhelming force and going on the offensive. he will just be a peace of the war machine. he won't be given a chance like this. probably not until the rangdan xenocides or the heresy (assuming he lives that long).
>>5256713>I suppose the real question is if we can be sure Frederick is up for the task of mastering a Titan machine spirit. Titans are an order of magnitude more ferocious than knights, something like only one in a million survive. Perhaps Talos can accurately tell that Frederick will pass.Best counterpoint I've heard so far. Titan Machine Spirits are notoriously feisty. I think experience driving a multistory killing machine with a mind of it's own might prepare him a bit better for the experience (grant plusses) but we can't feel even a bit aggrieved if QM makes us roll for MIU compatibility or whatever and we end up losing him with a critfail. Doesn't mean we shouldn't let him try.
And honestly, if there is even a likely chance Talos can see Frederick surviving the trials to become a Princep the mere fact of saying this would likely guarantee he would become one.The Collegia have waged wars and sent fleets to scour planets on the slightest chance of a lost pilot having survived, so rare they are, and would probably pay ungodly amounts of resources to poach him from Borgias anyway. Not everyone, not even every knight, can just up and become a Princep.So ultimately, yeah, if he can become a Princep we probably should go ahead and make him one. Because if we don't, someone else is going to figure out he can be one and push for him to be one anyway.Perhaps Talos already knew Frederick was princep material, but kept it hidden from him until now knowing this.
>>5256717I wants to bleev. If he doesn't save one of ours he can exterminate one of theirs for equivalent course credit, OK?
>>5256648>>As reward the *Insert Knight* shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.>Borgius ImpalerAnd it will have a Tungsten pic related as a CQC weapon! And oh boy you will KNOW when that thing is punching through heavy armor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rftGYQ5y2bA
>>5256724le meme piledriver... I'd really rather a proper chainfist, as this is 40k and not Evangelion or whatever.
>>5256719>Talos "You know, I think you would make a good Princep.">The Collegia Titanica, 0.001 nanoseconds later:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzRaWy7NG4Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UPKAULKa_QThat's the stuff! "oh so you have a superb thick armour impervious to most ranged weaponry?" *CLUNK *>>5256725Come on, only the whole situation is a meme. And chainswords are cool and all but what is better "muh monomolecular teeth" or "CLUNK"
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PileBunkerOh so it's PILE BUNKER >>5256725Come ooon it's not like I am suggesting replacing a Chainsword with a Power Drill. Way meme-ier
>>5256724So a Knight Valiant?
>>5256728Tell you what, we can mount it under the Melta cannon on the ranged arm as a bayonet surprise, but we really do need the chainblade to fence and parry (also rip and tear) with.
>>5256730Isn't that more of a harpoon gun though?
>>5256734But it can be used in CQC since the Knights are so huge.
>>5256719Can we at least agree to let him test for Princeps?
>>5256739If we are including one let's make it a fuckhueg version of the taser lances the Sydonian Dragoons carry.
>>5256740Well, you see, this is a quest. If you vote for it, it will likely happen unless I was being an ass.
>>5256730Alright, this is a compromise accept! https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/imperial-knights/Knight-ValiantAlright so this is Dominus class... but could it be BIGGER?
>>5256743I did vote, I'm trying to persuade Nano to switch his.
Look at the STATS ON THAT THING
>>5256648>For such actions, you will become House Borgius’ first Princep and a Titan to match such an honor.Nano has a point. If we notice Frederic can become a Princep it's a matter of time until the collegia will too and try to make him one even if we dont. He would already be a Princep by now if Dutonis wasnt isolated.Were just fulfilling his true destiny now that we have the time and resources.
>>5256746Now that's some tasty 'poon. Change your vote to Titan and let's get a twin-linked version set in a carapace mount on a platform with actual void shields and a higher wound count.
>>5256743But now I wonder, if we don't pick it, does that mean he didn't have the potential, or he had it and it went to waste?Is this some kind of reverse quantum ogre situation?
>>5256757Only one way to really know for sure...(Vote to let him test)
>>5256757It would mean he does not. You don't have to worry about protocols reversing your decision.
>>5256753Oh damn you ARE convincing me... but a titan with one makes little sense...UNLESS IT'S MANY TIMES LARGER AND IT'S MADE TO SHOOT AT A TZEENTCH DEMON ENGINEChanging my vote from >>5256724 to:>For such actions, you will become House Borgius’ first Princep and a Titan to match such an honor.QM Please give us a apartment sized thundercoil harpoon, please please please QM please please pleaseplease
>>5256759Unless of course down the road a schismatic Dark Magos shows him what could have been and since we failed to promote him we end up having to fight one of our own (formerly) loyal mooks at the head of a Traitor Maniple backed up by a horde of Iron Warriors and corrupted Automata...
>>5256763I mean, it already kills them.
>>5256758
>>5256763dare we dream it... carapace mounted Gatling Electro-Poon with pintle mounted autostubbers?
>>5256767luddite
So I will say this now, think of choosing the Titan Option as starting of a Legio Titanica. Mars afterall has two Titan Legions, so why can't Lucius? One of legendary Princes/Nobles and the other made of those selected specifically by the Tech Priests from the common rabble.
>>5256773As for the other, it will be a start in adapting Teleportation Technology into the Knights of Dutonis. Also it will give Borgius what will become the strongest of their warmachines. If I had to default for the Knight, it would of course be the Magera.
>>5256771If you weren't so desperate to try to convince everyone, I would have, but it's funnier this way.>>5256773That sounds a way better than deal, I thought it was just his reward.However, since I'm sure that option will win, I can be stubborn for the meme.
>>5256773Let Them Walk
>>5256770come on, the whole COOL of the thing is that it is ONE shot! What next, an angry marine is cowboy riding the thing while shooting his bolter? cool>>5256766Hmm... yes it does... Damn it, I think I will stay with my vote change... Borgius will experience a religious awakening, I tell you.First, he proved for himself that the Machine God is watching over their battles and will now be made into an Avatar.>>5256777 Amen
>>5256774Well nevermind, having our knights be able to keep up with our teleporting legion is better than just having an extra one.
>>5256776I'm not sure why I got so invested in this, I just think that losing an arm and a wiener is a hell of a sacrifice, and Particep Semper should never lack for properly scaled battlefield companionship.
>>5256781That's completly understandable, and it's the good kind of quest autism on my books anyway.
>>5256648Switch to>For such actions, you will become House Borgius’ first Princep and a Titan to match such an honor.Thinking it over, Borgias can't really complain. We can justify it by saying that looking over the medicae files it struck us by display of his willpower that he is princeps worthy, a one in a million chance.Even if he hadn't been honorable and had been just a kid we found on the street that survived a fist fight, if a Primarch notices you can become a Princeps you are going to become a Princeps. Him being a knight and being able to bring honor to his house is a bonus. Like being a psyker or a null, you don't just leave that you find the black ships or the black ships are going to find you.It will mean more years of training, more surgeries, it will mean Frederick will be away from the war for a time and leave about his Knights from the high throne of a Titan chair but never truly stand at their side again, a chance to make new friends and new comrades in the college but not be a Knight no longer. It may even mean his son will need to be trained to be a knight by another man other than himself, as he will need to focus his efforts on his skill as a Princeps. But we can give him the consolation, hopefully, by secretly telling him we have notice that his rival Alexander is also Princeps worthy.And if he isn't going to become a Titan Pilot, is he going to let Alexander become one before him?>>5256773It may set a dangerous precedent in our case. We aren't just making two Titan legions from scratch, we are also showing that its perfectly okay to take members of a Knights house and induct them into the Collegia. In the best of case, it will encourage more collusion among the houses but in the worst case it might encourage the Collegia to start trying to recruit or even poach knights away from their houses.But, typically, knight houses are more than capable of defending themselves and truth be told I doubt there would be many knight houses who would reject the opportunity for at least one of their members to earn the honor of becoming a Princeps.>>5256774Is there no love for the Acastus? It's the biggest knight of all! Sure its standard format is for long range firepower, but who says Talos has to follow standard design when it comes to anything.We're already integrating teleportation technology into them. It also probably kills gargants better.
>>5256778>come on, the whole COOL of the thing is that it is ONE shot! Missing the point. The cool part is we can use the tether to electrocute/EMP targets and retract them into chainfist/melta range. A gatling electro-poon would still be single shot, like a revolver, but we can afford to take more shots and cut tethers as needed. High fire rate on something like that would just result in tangled tethers and lethal feedback.
>>5256786Omnissiah bless you for your consideration and the logical reassignment your sanction, kind Magos.
>>5256786The idea of a Titan Legion staffed with former Skitarii Alphas and battle hardened Domini is way too sexy to pass up, and will be a serious morale boost for the rank and file.
>>5256774WAITYou're also tying in some research options for the knights in this?If we pick that option, we will get teleporting knights faster? Holy hell that beats out getting a new Princeps by a longshot.
>>5256803If it were that easy the Collegia would keep recruitment to within techpriests.Its mentioned that they would prefer to but are compelled to search far and wide for suitable candidates because its just so hard to find even one person who could hopefully become a Princeps.The rates or survival might be lower than even space marine aspirants
>>5256806we do have quite a large recruiting pool though...
>>5256788okay I missed the point... So Gatling Arc Thundercoil Harpoon.
>>5256808Yes, this exactly. for all teh zapzaps
>>5256806Also, we're kind of a really good Genetor. If we can figure out the genes that determine compatibility we can start a breeding program like we have for Acillians and Navigators
>>5256815compatibility for what. Aspirants are all about MUH WILPOWER and the power of friendship
>>5256774Looking at the stats on Wahapedia the Magera is certainly a better all arounder than the Acastus, but that extra Toughness is juicy.And movement doesn't matter when you teleport, just like Terminators.Nothing stops Talos from designing a Knight that has the armor thickness of an Acastus, but the weapons and shield loudout of a Megara right QM?Really tempted to change votes again because holy damn teleporting knights and titans is a major breakthrough, where as we can always just recruit more Titan legions from other forge worlds or build them conventionally anyway
>>5256820I mean here is a really dumb idea. Take the Harpoon Gun from the Valiant and put it on the Magera to replace the Lightening cannon. Then when the Magera start reeling in the target it slaps the target with its massive siege claw.
>>5256820>And movement doesn't matter when you teleport, just like Terminators.Assault Termies or Melee Knights have an almost even money chance to 'port in, fail their charge, then get wiped the next turn. Titans can orbitally insert and have void shields to survive the next round until they get a guaranteed charge. Deep Strike is Deep Strike, I vote for survivability.
>>5256824True, but the Knights have the Machine God on their side. He gives them a 3d6 drop the lowest when attempting a charge (lol).
>>5256821I was thinking basically the same thing for the Reaver carapace mount, except multibarrel and we bake then shake with the melta and chainfist once in close quarters.
>>5256828Never again will I underestimate GW's willingness to cheese rules to sell a profitable new model line.-My buddy Dave,circa 1997 upon getting cornholed by massed Darklance fire for the first time
>>5256821Yes but QM the armor! The size!Ya gitz, BIGGA IZ BETTAI'm totally fine with say, uparmoring a Megara variant and the weapons aren't too important to me so much as just us being able to objectively say our stuff is bigger and fancier than anyone else's. What's the point of making Lucius rival mars in production if we're not using it to give our boys bigger toys than everyone else?Sure its heavier and a bit slower, but they really aren't going to need to be fast when they are teleporting. We can even give them good shields.The difference between 30 wounds and 24 wounds is somewhat significant in game isn't it? If it isn't, then it's least significant fluffwise to me.That's doable isn't it?
>>5256835When looking at rules think of them as like, 10 or 15 what is said to be the fluff version. So yeah 6 wound difference is significant.
>>5256835I'll just leave this here for reference.
>>5256837The Castus is evidently comparable to a "Scout Titan" which usually refers to the Warhound.The Maegara doesn't appear to be as big as that from what i'm reading.So yeah, if we're gonna upgrade Frederick's steed, let's at least give him the biggest damn chassis we can.
>>5256841>"Scout Titan"This phrase certainly gives "recon by fire" a new meaning.
>>5256845Well that's why Warhounds officially are.
>>5256774With this new information, I would like to switch to>As reward the *Archangel Borgius* shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.I dont much see the point in getting two titan legions when we can just double the size of our one, like Horus did with Legio Mortis. New technology is always more valuable.>>5256845How in depth do you want us players to go when it comes to specifications for the new knights?
>>5256853Question meant for >>5256847
>>5256853If you make Variants than they will simply be special cases rather than the rule.
>>5256847Not disagreeing, just commenting on how bad things have gotten if we need to send out small office buildings to have a quick nip around the perimeter to see what's what. "Moderatus 890724578, motion 11 o'clock, range 370 meters, declination 22 degrees, fire for effect." "Firing, my Princeps... Target neutralized, m'lord. 2 gretchin with a looted mortar and a ferret-shaped loader squig, out of the fight! Omnissiah be praised, we've made the difference today!" "Oh bugger off, 890724578, I didn't mean the spotters, I meant the bloody Mega-Gargant cresting the hill behind them!" "Recalibrating...."
>>5256862By Arg, do you mean the presidential palace of Afghanistan, or something else? Genuinely confused here. Might actually make a case for it to be still standing on Terra as some sort of Techno-barbarian or renegade Thunder Warrior stronghold though.
>>5256862
>>5256648>As a reward the Archangel Borgius shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
>>5256692>As a reward the Archangel Borgius shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.Sorry to switch a third time but I also think that teleporting knights is more useful than trying to start a second titan legion (when as was pointed out we can just make our existing one bigger instead)Archangel Borgius is actually a better name desu>>5256860Guess Lucius is still limited in R&D department. I imagine it will cost a lot of effort just to invent prototype a teleporting knight in the first place, let alone making one that can be produced in numbers to be called a variant rather than a rare prototype. We can work on a variant later.Talos will just have to gather the means to research and develop new things to use Lucius vast industrial potential. If Lucius is to challenge Mars, it's got to be more than just rich. Any industrial world or manufactorum planet can be rich or produce a lot of common designs. It's gotta get smart if truly intends to challenge the Martian pre-eminence in all fields.
>>5256901That's also why we are going to meet up with the other forges. No one planet, not even Mars can be good at everything. Lucius has its teleporters and solar ore.Ryza has superior plasma tech.Stygies has its stealth tech and xenos studies.Metallica has its infantry guns and tactics.Every forge world is a cog that forms the greater machine of the Admech.
>>5256907Agreed, just because Mars is the origin or axis in this metaphor, doesn't make it more important than any other forge world. We/TaL0S don't want to supplant Mars, even if they will likely take it that way, the forge worlds have to be reminded that the Mechanicum isn't a Monarchy ruled by Mars or Terra, but a symbiotic relationship.In that same line of thinking, i propose that we take a few Magos from the other forgeworld in the Federation with us to demonstrate this in praxis, better not be hypocritical from the very start. We could even take some representatives from the forgeworlds that agree with us to the next ones, an ever growing alliance.
>>5256648>As reward the Archangel Borgius shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology. Teleporting Knights Ahoy.>>5256773How many Titan and Knight Legions can we even support? We already made deals with the Knight Worlds to supply them with new Knights. Of the Knights we have newly started manufacturing we requisitioned many of them and their pilots for the war efforts. With the resources and manpower we are getting from the new worlds we could consider making more Titan Legions. Yet isn't the pilot standards easier to meet with the Knights vs Titans? Then again we do have a lot more worlds to filter for the needed talents.>>5256774Holy shit nevermind. Teleporting knights is far more useful and less resource demanding to be able to derive that upgrade.>>5256815Would the Navigators even trust us to do that? We kinda overpowered all opposition and the other Genetors also agreed with the family planning when they confirmed it was the only viable way to increase Astarte gene carriers population for recruitment purposes. As for Princips recruiting was it ever even mentioned to be gene related? I thought it was some special rare neurological conditioning which is why there is such an absolute pain in the ass to find. Navigators tend to be an extremely paranoid and possessive bunch despite Tal0S being a top tier Genetor. I don't even know if we can fix the recruitment issues with Princeps. Apparently Knights don't have that kind of problem but even they have side effects in how their pilots are conditioned and groomed over generations.
>>5256648>For such actions, you will become House Borgius’ first Princep and a Titan to match such an honor.
>>5256648>As a reward, the noble machine shall be remade with the latest in C4Rs technology.I'd like to upgrade Dominus Borgius rather than make a new thing wholesale.Just to maintain that sister link to fredericks knight.Preserve the spirits.
>>5257029No one says we can't use the old machine spirit from his previous knight (if it survived) in making the brand new one.>>5256968>>5256815Well we know that to become an acillian or a princeps is reliant on willpower. Theoretically, while I doubt Talos can make humans that perfectly succeed every time, with such advanced knowledge of human neurology he could attempt to create a breed of humans or at least modify a class of them to be more likely to succeed by having a genetic predisposition to willpower.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4175917/We know in canon that willpower can be increased genetically by 40k by merit of the genestealer cults. The offspring of downtrodden serfs become even more fanatical and utterly devoted to the cause than Chaos cultists, who only rely on the supposed promise of power or a better life. In almost all the books genestealers cultists are portrayed as being altered to be fanatical at the genetic level, never giving up even at the hand of torture, because their brains have been hardwired to be incapable of despair and have unshakable belief in the "cause"Talos could theoretically try to improve the chances of Princeps dynasties aspirants surviving through some neural adjustments, combined also with his own superior spiritual knowledge of how to tame machine spirits and become one with the machine. I'm sure he could write a book that actual Collegia students would find supremely useful as Guilliman's codexes of war.It would be yet another thing to add to our to-do list which by my reckoning for us players is already well into the hundred. In character I imagine Talos own To-Do list reaches into the thousands of items on a daily basis. We're probably like the Emperor in that same regard, we can just forsee SO much to do but are so limited in our capacity to do it
>>5256648#>As a reward, the noble machine shall be remade with the latest in C4Rs technology.
A man is comprised of three parts, a mind, a body, and a soul, each of which are reliant upon the other and all of which can be understood via the Machine Gods science and faith.We know a mans body is weak if deprived of food, sleep, rest, but even the fittest natural body pales to those augmented and provided the best environment to train it. Enhanced genetic sinews, Catalepsean/Cybernetic sleep replacers, artificial food dispensers, plus rigorous physical endurance training. Genetics can result in a far stronger breed of body such as Ogryns or Astartes.The same is proven true of the mind. Through education and determination a man becomes smart. But even normal human limits can be exceeded through science. Cybernetic augmentation, brain tissue enhancements, hypnomat and information uploads. These are the things that separates the smartest man from the smartest techpriest.Even the soul. Courage and bravery are a combination of hormones as adrenaline and cortisol, cultural upbringing and history, and the genetic neurological makeup of his mind that predisposes one to fight or flight, bravery or cravenry. As we have seen from Skitarii and Astartes, these too can be augmented, with either cybernetic fear suppressants or genetic ones as the Astartes who "know no fear". As the mind can be educated, the soul can be taught via faith, rites and the religion of the machine cult. Talos is a Techpriest. He is at once genetor of the body, neurologist of the mind, and psychologist and preacher to the soul. I'm sure he could come up with many ways to boost the chances of Princep aspirant survival from both science and faith. Perhaps he could offer the Princeps families to make their aspirants a little bit like psudo-acillians, so their bodies are less likely to reject the implants and minds enhanced and educated by knowledge and faith with direct insight to the nature of machine spirits by Talos to give them the best chance to not be overcome by the machine spirit. It would give them more material to work with higher chances of survival.We are the only Primarch to truly become one with a Titan's machine spirit and speak to it. Something not even Perturabo, Ferrus or Vulkan did! Imagine what knowledge or improvements to the training program Talos could impart as perhaps the greatest Princeps the universe has ever seen. I mean, unless the Emperor ever wanted to drive a Titan for fun in the Dark Age.
Hmm, how about instead of Archangel Borgius we can it Borgius Seraphim or Archangelus Borgius to avoid the English.
>>5257106That's good for me, but if we are trying to avoid english than we got to go for Archangelus instead of Seraphim.
>>5256648Whatever the vote is >Preserve the machinespirit of Dominus Borgius if possible.
but what hierarchy would Borgius be. Just the third? Well it fits if TalOS is "just" a Dominus...No need to worry about english, just call it Angelus! and Archangelus of course
>>5256648>Proposal as to the design of the Archangel BorgiusInformation in next post
>>5257185The Acastus Frame is the largest knight frame there is, but we'll call it a Magera Version to note that it's still capable of melee combat up close rather than being a long range hitter.It would be armed with:Volkite chieorovile - For a knight this appears to be the hardest hitten AP weapon among the various variants, it's a heavy 5 weapon with AP -3. If someone else knows a better Gargant killer lemme knowTwin rad-cleanser - Shoulder Mounted, where the Heavy Stubber and Rondel would normally be. Perfect for getting rid of the ground chaff and auto-hitsHelios Defense Missile - Has more AP compared to ronstorm missile pod, and if he's teleporting forward to enemies he isn't gonna need indirect fire much.Hekaton siege or Reaper Chainsword - If he wants to sword he can sword, but the Hekaton Siege Claw seems really good for cracking open other titans and knights because Crush has -4 APIonic Flare Shield - Better than Ion Shields because it protects against both ranged and meleeEmpyreal Preysight - The enemy cannot hideOccular Augmetics (31st Millennium Only) - Well, it is the 31st Millenium. never know if you're going to need a night battle or a battle in fog!And of course, it will have an installed Teleportarium beacon protoype.Trying to come up with a quick Blender display of what it would look like but no one has released the Asterius Arms stl file unfortunately.
>>5256774>As reward the Archangel Borgius shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.I'm gonna join the others and vote this, this is much better than another Titan legion.>>5257145>>5257185>SupportingWe should recover and preserve the machine spirit of the Original Borgius. Also if this is the best kit we can give Frederic to make him extra tanky so he can hunt more enemy titans, I'll back it
>>5257145>Agreed
>>5257106Oh I like the seraphim name, that's quite poetic
>>5257106>Supporting this name too
>>5256648>As reward the Archangelus Borgius shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.>>5257145>>5257185>Backing these
>>5256774>As reward the *Borgius Seraphim* shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.>a start in adapting Teleportation Technology into the Knights of DutonisWe shouldn't pass up this opportunity>>5257106>+1 SupportIt is a good name>>5257145>+1 SupportThe Machine Spirit of the Dominus Borgius absolutely deserves the honor too>>5257185>+1 SupportLove the stats and the weapons. It's should be able to fight in melee and ranged.
>>5257187>Volkite chieorovile - For a knight this appears to be the hardest hitten AP weapon among the various variants, it's a heavy 5 weapon with AP -3. If someone else knows a better Gargant killer lemme knowBut my harpoon... AP -6... bonus to hit against large stuff.... absurd strength.... AND BADASS>>5256746
>>5257185>>Volkite chieorovile - For a knight this appears to be the hardest hitten AP weapon among the various variants, it's a heavy 5 weapon with AP -3. If someone else knows a better Gargant killer lemme knowBut what about the HARPOOON >>5256746way better
>>5257334>>5257331TADA!Because even Talos and Frederick can appreciate the value of glorious variety!
Some concept art.I unfortunately could not find the actual arms for the Castus Asterius on google, so I jurry rigged it a bit.
>>5257353mmm... Avatars of God... excellent>>>/gif/22596330 very heretic
>>5257353No no, you didn't jury rig anything, it's just a unique design of the Lucius pattern Castus Asterius
>>5257353Frederic's steed reborn looks awesome my man. I bet he'd like the harpoon, if a knight is gonna teleport right up to an enemy might as well hit them hard. Plus he can pull them close and crush them with the siege claw.
>>5257106I like Seraphim.
>>5257106Borgius Seraphim>>5257145>>5257341>>support write-ins
>>5257353The harpoon and siege claw is likely to be the prince's preferred loadout. The Volkite has more range and fires more, but trying to gun down an enemy titan from range isn't his way. He has balls.Well, had balls. We'll get him some new ones.
Knight>>5256662>>5256675>>5256691>>5256724>>5256891>>5257029>>5257061>>5257145>>5257547Titan>>5256670>>5256716>>5256747>>5256969Maybe just Arch Angelus for the name. Adding Borgius seems a little weird and I would point out this Knight is not for his Household, but Fredric himself.
>>5257557Oh come on, at least go with Arch Seraphim then
>>5257561Let the Seraph be the gigaknight for Navarros if they ever get one.Turns out Seraphim is the plural form.
>>5257557sorry QM, things got messy with all the mindstorming but I ended up changing my vote to this other one right here desu, them titans>>5256763
>>5257573This is the reason I need you all to link your previous vote and only that vote when changing them. Its in the rules.
>>5257557Arch Angelus is good.But ideally, Alexander also gets his own Arch Angelus, so there would be some identifier.Calling them both Arch Angelus would make it seem more like a variant pattern than the name of their personal ridesArch Angelus Patronus Fredericus Regulus, "The Arch Angel Patron of Prince Frederick"
“The talks of the flesh however is not the reason I am here today, Fredric.+ TalOS spoke the name as perfectly as any other man of the flesh would, “What I am here today is to present to you a great honor. One that I hope is remembered through Generations.” The Prince looked at TalOS with a quizzical look about him. He took his one good flesh hand and rubbed the numerous pieces of metal that now inhabited his flesh, “What would that honor be?” “Your engine kill, the destruction of an Ork Gargant, saved Lucius from what would surely have been many more years of brutal war waged by whatever Warboss was in the system.” TalOS gave the preface in a style befitting of a preacher talking to the anointed, “As I cannot exclaim my thanks in words alone it is through action. We, the Priests of Lucius, will present to you a new steed.” “A… new Knight?” The wonder within the boy’s eyes gave TalOS a moment’s smile. “Indeed. After talking we have agreed to give you the strongest possible steed that we can muster from our forges. Our goal was to create a Steed that would extinguish the virtues of the Mechanicum for all that see it. A mighty creation that would be able to face against lesser God Machines if the circumstance was right.+ TalOS declared all outright and without any need for subtlety, “Our aim was to create an Arch Angel. A Knight that could rightfully stand side by side with the God Machines and call itself among their kin.” TalOS reached into his cloak and brought out a dataslate that had a design upon it, “This was the result of our creations, Angelus Dominus. Using the data of STCs found on Dutonis we have been able to decode a new pattern of Knight previously unavailable to your people. It shall have a chassis twice the side of a Dominus Chassis and have the tools of the Knight Valiant and Magera upon it.” The boy looked upon the display with clear wonder on his face. TalOS could not help but feel his sheer desire in the fact that he was about to ride the future. “With its Chassis being so large, we were able to integrate the Teleportation Matrixes of the Warhound God Machines into it.” TalOS declared as he pointed out an integral piece of the engine, “While the Chassis will be slow, it will be able to fly through the battlefield like the God Machines.” “Th-thank you… Prophet.” The Prince said as he looked upon the display, “I, Prince Fredric of House Borgius, accept this award.” “Good, and as an additional note we had recovered as many pieces of Borgius Dominus as we could. Your new warmachine should feel similar to the one you previously had.+
TalOS could not describe the sheer wonder and thankfulness upon the face of Fredric at that moment. +That went well.+ UZ1 told TalOS with a good sum of happiness within her speech, +I documented the event and prepared pictures in case you wish to distribute it.+ +Give those to D3X for later.+ TalOS told his assistant as they exited the building belonging to R3KT, +I don’t wish the Prince to be bothered by many folk until he recovers.+ +Then it shall be.+ The Adept answered before giving a solemn sigh, +A pity he could not join the ranks of the Legio Titanica.+ +Indeed, but even among the Nobles there were only three who seemed capable. A higher ratio than many other populations but simply having a line of Knights does not mean they can operation Titans.+ TalOS too lamented as he gave a small hum, +When will the Navigators be ready for us to depart?+ +As our fleet will be so small the Navigators will be ready to venture out in a week.+ UZ1 told TalOS while giving him the roster of who will be piloting their ship. +What do you think of these people?+ TalOS pointed out as he looked over the roster himself, +They are as young as us from the demographics given. Do you think Mars is slighting us or helping us with such inexperienced Navigators.++IT can be seen as either.+ UZ1 admitted as she looked over the roster too, +From my experience with them I would think the latter. Though I also wonder if that is simply how these mutants expect to be treated in general.+ +I cannot say.+ TalOS admitted as he shook his head, +They want a way to stave off nullification technology… its possible.+ +Surely we could employ the crystals in some way.+ UZ admitted as she thought to herself, +Do you think the current could be changed to go against nullification?+ +Its possible, but I don’t like it.+ +Making a bubble within our defenses is indeed an unwise tactic.+ UZ1 admitted, +Doubly so if someone were to take our research to the other end of the scale.+ +Could be an easy way to detect heresy.+ TalOS pondered as they walked down the halls, +Those tempering with my design cannot be using it for good reasons.+
The two of them were walking in the open streets now with dozens of people walking past and by them. Seeing so many Priests, Servitors, and Serfs walking around helped the Tech Priests recognize that there was at least some normancy within the world. Even the spewing factories were but music to the ears of the one who spent so many lives protecting them from devistation. +So I was kinda curious.+ UZ1 began the next leg of their conversation, +Have you been considering new augmentations?+ +It is something that is always within my mind.+ TalOS told the Adept with as must truth as he could place in a sentence, +I take it you have been looking at them yourself.+ She gave a nod upon hearing those words, +I am considering replacing my eyes. Its a minor dream, but I was hoping to rebuild my ocular organs with my own two hands to the point where I would not need glasses. They are after all an impediment in times of crisis.+ TalOS nodded to those words as he heard them, +Whether it be flesh or mechanical, I would be willing to help you with both.+ +Thanks.+ The girl said to the Primarch before giving him a once over, +I mentioned our travels because I was thinking you might be some more augmentations to make yourself more presentable. And I think you can do better than what you have.+ TalOS gave a nod to those words before testing out his flesh, +There are indeed vulnerabilities that need to be cleared. No matter how impressive my flesh is I cannot remain operational in the vacuum of space. While I contain a series of armaments upon my person as I know I am not near the limit of personal firepower.+ +You have just realized something.+ UZ1 pointed out with TalOS barely giving the hint. +My blood is shared among my children, both Astartes of Acillian.+ TalOS admitted as he opened his still flesh hand, +During our travels it might be time to start research into figuring out the secrets of my creator and that can be used to better my own creations.+ +Oh, that would be cool.+ UZ1 admitted with an ever growing grin, +As I understand it they have improved eyesight too. Maybe I could see about grafting a pair for myself.+ >Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators>Work on personal augmentations>Prepare the genuine research into Acillian and Astartes.
Hmm, young Navigators very interesting. Probably some penny pinching from Mars, but also opportunity to win them over to our side. It would be very useful to have a loyal young branch of navigators.Oh look, another "Man I really love all these options but we only have time for one!" Damn it. This is definitely not something I'm going to vote immediately, because wow these are all really important.We definitely will benefit in our immediate travels and long term relations with our new psykers, which is also important given our investiture in Null tech so making them compatible is something we cannot ignore.I feel like we should explore more of the Galaxy to find the most cool and nifty stuff to augment ourselves, but everything in small steps too. If we're going to explore a dungeon that has no air or toxic emissions that would make even a Primarch's skin itch, it would help to get tankier. Plus we can help make Uzi some awesome eyes!Researching the Acillians and Astartes, that one I think we can sort of put off for a little while longer. The 2nd isn't yet with us, we haven't met their techpriests who would be closer to our ideal of what can be done. But we obvioulsy can't and should not ignore that forever.
>>5257599>Develop the Psy-Candles for the NavigatorsIf it's going to be so nescessary, than might as well be us the ones making it.
>>5257609I'm lersonally, I withholding the TalOS overhaul project until we get our hands on some of that sweet necrodermis and/or nanotech.
>>5257599>Prepare the genuine research into Acillian and Astartes.Geneator go. I'm waiting until we can find or make better tech for our arguments. Nanomachines will make all other augments irrelevant I prefer long term investments over short term ones.
>>5257613Nothing says you can't redo it later. TalOS can just reproduce old limbs.
In these situations, I like to use a trinity of Faith, Logic and Heart to help decide. Faith: None of these actions are more or less heretical. In such cases, to be faithful is to be devoted, to be devoted is to be logical. Defer to logic.Logic: Logic dictates of the choices with limited time, it would be wise to help our young Navigators. Not only because we plan to travel at haste and meet up with forge worlds (thus by accelerating our travels we buy more time for us to do more things) but to ignore them is not only to be less likely to endear them to us, it also risks them becoming less effective with long term exposure to our Null fields. More importantly, by showing aid to our Navigators, we also proof we are not so fanatical to be an enemy of the Navigator Guilds, although we invest in Anti-Psyker tech we acknowledge there are some psykers given value by the Machine God. For now anyway, privately we likely share the Emperors ideal of weaning mankind away from the need for psykers but that's neither here nor nowAnd as anon mentions, if we do that oursevles now, we will be more easily in control of preventing its tampering and turning against us.The only slight drawback of this is we aren't actually in connection with the Telepathica or Psykana ordos on Mars, but eh, Talos is smart so he can probably make do. Heart: Upgrading isn't just a Talos action, it's also an UZI action. We get to give her some beautiful eyes. Maybe we can even chide her by giving them big beautiful lenses so she can easily do both microscopic circuitry and biology as easily as seeing the wings on a fly 10 miles away through the rain, as well as every ocular spectrum we can give her.And its not every day we get to do UZI actions. Gotta grind those UZI points2/3 indicators lean towards helping our psykers. But damn, I don't wanna miss an UZI moment.
>>5257599>Prepare genuine research into ancillians and astartes
>>5257615To build on this, you guys do realize you can make future improvements on yourselves. Hell, since you have the mind of a Primarch, you can reverse most changes without issue. Even amputation can be reversed.
>>5257599>>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators
>>5257634Indeed.The only thing we can't really replace is our Brain, or the critical parts anyway, but all other things are interchangeable. A long term goal could be after all, figuring out the best way to safeguard brain from harm while simultaneously allowing our body (or a body/surrogate form) to go out into the world and do the most dangerous explorations.Maybe one day we should try and install a teleporter in our chest, so that just before our body might die our brain can be ported back to safety. That would truly fool the first Primarch that thinks they've killed us.
>>5257615>>5257634The way I see it, is that doing a pitstop upgrade on ourselves taht we would just throw away later measn that we miss researching another thing in that moment, so I prefer to invest time in other more permanent upgrades until we get the resources to start the big project.But then again I always go for long term upgrades in video games or tabletops, and sometimes it bites me in the ass.
>>5257599>Develop the Psy-Candles for the NavigatorsThis looks most important.
>>5257599OH! I just realized something QM.If Talos could spend some time upgrading himself, does he currently have the Technology and resources on Lucius to develop secondary brains and subconsciousness's?This could be a game changer if Talos can get some extra lesser brain power to work on side projects, that he can delegate thought experiments to. Exactly like Cawl and very many other Techpriests do. We can multitask, and let some of these projects be done in the background while the story can focus on Talos immediate actions!Hell he could even try to gather up some Acillians and try to establish his first personal R&D team.
>>5257652Wrong image lol. I was about to post for the Navigator option but then it struck me Talos could begin the first steps of a means by which he can delegate small projects or do them in the back of his head, multitasking. That would be supremely useful even on a small scale.
That is a good question, can Talos try to do something to delegate some of this? Upgrading his brainpower is good, and we also have some smart Acillians. Even the Emperor didn't try to do everything by himself.Maybe we can train UZI to be be something like our Malcador.
If we start fucking with our brain to make it more efficient could we possibly be in a position to try and fix Angron when we come across him?
>>5257577I... I did :(
>>5257675I'll try to look up the exact moment it's in the book. The Emperor did realize that the Archaeotech had gotten in so deep into Angrons head that there was more machine than brain, and thus to remove it would kill him.Theoretically i've heard it said by fans that if he and Magnus got together, maybe they could have magic'd it out. Gotta also check if they mention just, you know, not making it hurt and keeping the pain off.BL really never reconciliated exactly what the Emperor's plan for Angron was. He shat on him, harder than any other Primarch, and didn't even acknowledge the fact that Angron was in all but essence a prisoner soldier in his army. Even Lorgar asked "why" and Angron had no answer. I wonder if Talos being one of the more empathetic would try and ask the Emperor. Even if the Emperor tells Talos it's a secret, it'd be a cool bit of personality for him.Suppose then it would be at least a good opportunity to see if Talos can take a whack at the nails. It's not clear if the Emperor surpasses all his sons in their specialty trait, or they embody his traits to a higher degree and thus are better at their specialty than him. For example if Roboute is a better or worse logistician than the Emperor.We didn't quite yet get a chance to see how smart the Emperor is or ask him deeper questions, something we should do when we get to Sol.
>>5257686Lorgar only asked about Angron's meeting with the emperor by the heresy on Nuceria, and he was as close to a friend as Angron could call anyone a friend. It's probable none of the primarchs knew much of Angron during the Crusade other than his brutality, the Emperor wasn't going to let others know.
>>5257686I wonder in what side of the civil war did Malcador the Bro and the Emperor put us in, in their calculations...
>>5257652If that is what you guys wanna work towards.
>>5257691That does actually make a lot of sense. Not every brother was so open to telling their backstory or the full truth of it. >>5257692Well if we we go by canon, we're on the side that doesn't exist. Along with our other brother in the 11th.
>>5257599>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators
>>5257632And I agree, this is a decision we definitely cannot take lightly. This text is long so check out the bottom of the post *wink*Upgrading the boys? to work on getting them closer and into the ultimate goal of fusing the two! So attractive. We also have the personal improvement project which wins us UZ1 points as you presented. This is also so attractive.The last one are the navigator bros. Having them working at a 100% is a must if we want to go as fast as possible with the Ad campaing, but I wonder, do the navigators NEED the anti-anti-warp tech right now?I understand that the source of the null right now are the Kids and the crystal-prototypes. Can't we leave both in Lucius? TalOS won't like that, but we should make the compromise if we want the navigators to feel OK about it. Move the research to a nearby moon along the nursery that holds the children, instead of keeping it in Lucius so the guild doesn't feel like AAAAAAAAAAA DEATH AAAAAAAAAAAAA WE ARE BUT LAMBS TO THE COSMIC SLAUGHTER all the time.Do consider that QM has the good touch to minimize the feelings of people, beacause the story is narrated by the Admech. It is smart if we don't take the navigators so lightly and we adress their concerns, but as I mentioned above, we can simply move the null-fortress away from the planet and put all the null-related research in it! "Some menials lost their legs. How can we fix that becuase they HAVE to be back to work by monday" or "The navigators are midly inconvenienced because of the nulls. Something about feeling dread and empty and wanting to die all the time" "The not-augmented humans work a 20% better if they are not choking on fumes? why we didn't think about that!"As a summary, I think we can solve the navigator problems in a non-time consuming manner by moving the null-tech away from them (or the other way around) and use this week of downtime to research the GOOOD SHIT. I have the impression TalOS is weaker than his primarch bros, thus...>Work on personal augmentations
>>5257599>Work on personal augmentationsOperation Bicameral Mind - See Next Post
>>5257711Okay, so we are literally not going to be able to focus on everything we want to do either OOC narratively or IC. As much as a Primarch is superior to men, even Roboute realizes he really can only shift his attention so many times at once.But what if we could?This is a problem that is known and dealt with by many many techpriests. We've moved our brain to our chest cavity yes? That means our head is right now, free real estate. The perfect spot for a second lesser brain, the first of many to come. Or if not a brain then at least maybe some sort of cogitator subroutine. In this way, Talos can do what many fine techpriests do and run low level thought experiments and research in the back of his thoughts, while his primary conscious mind can focus on the most important task at hand. It would allow Talos to devote some spare brainpower to small tasks in the background while he focuses on the bigger picture.If we invest in it enough, maybe QM will permit us to assign some projects or R&D to the extra thinking power on the background while we vote on more closer and important matters to Talos, and just get a status update on progress now and again. When there's a problem that would require a lot more brainpower to solve, then we can determine if its a good time for Talos to focus on it.Lastly, in case of emergency it can act as a neat failsafe. If suddenly our chest brain is shot, we can try to shift our consciousness into it. We'll also give it some emergency failsafe's to ensure it isn't tampered with by psykers like null shields or self destruct if somehow we get decapitated and lose our head so nobody steals our precious data or tries to use magic to steal our knowledge.EFFICIENCY HO!
>>5257714I don't think QM will allow an upgrade to meta justify picking multiple options at once.
>>5257724Fuck, I meant in character not meta.
>>5257708The problem is we're going to be traveling in our Null Fortress, since it acts as a fleet carrier (in the literal sense) and helps offset our low number of inexperienced psykers. So they're going to be in its presence.
>>5257724I mean, it's still not picking multiple options at once. Our secondary Brain will just be able to work on side projects in the background, stuff that wouldn't constitute a full option. Minor R&D and the likes.The options will be stuff that Talos mind has to focus his primary mind on fully. It'd be no different than assigning a task to an R&D department. Later on we could have our secondary brain maintain a continuous communique with a true R&D department while we focus on matters at hand like politics and the like.
>>5257684You didn't.
>>5257714This is an excellent idea and we should probably do it as one of our first augments.But delaying helping the navigators might result in more long term damage that will slow down our travels in the galaxy. We save time both ways by either speeding up our fleet travel or enhancing our brain, but the second can wait just a bit longer.>>5257826Can Talos predict which option would save more time? Speeding up the fleet for our travels first and brain upgrades later, or vice versa?
>>5257725How I see an extra brain is that it will be used like a multithreaded processor. The only real use for it is background work and things that TalOS directly does not need to manipulate. Research likely won't be capable ironically it might be mission command that the second brain take over while the primary does research lol. Still, it won't justify picking multiple options later on. Even with multiple brains TalOS will still need to be in person to do actual research. The question does become, how you guys wanna get/make these brains?
>>5257831I mean, probably a no? Honestly two of the options can become massive time sinks while the other has a definite end to take that as you will.
>>5257834I should say this, the Psi Candles are only because of the Blackstone Fortress. That way you can have sane navigators operate on it.
>>5257834I see. Well honestly with all the work weve done for the Imperium, Talos really will deserve some time to himself in the future. But heavy research can wait until after weve become fabricator general of the admech.I wonder how our brothers managed to find the free time to do all their side quests and lead a crusade. Vulkan made thousands of priceless artifacts, while still managing to lead the Salamanders into battle and use them. Roboute wrote a library's worth of books and organized his realm. Magnus looked for psyker artifacts.>>5257832Being able to focus on research and not having to pick mission command still sounds like itd be useful. In fact were going to need to keep our Legion fighting even while we do research anyway.I imagine we can just use our own DNA and grow some empty brains in jars, we are a genetor after all. >>5257599>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators
>>5257599>Develop the Psy-Candles for the NavigatorsAs much as I want to work on BRAINS we kinda need sane navigators.
Switching >>5257711 to>Develop the Psy-Candles for the NavigatorsDamn, was hoping more brains would be a bit like Multiprogramming/Multithreading than Multiprocessors. At least that's how it seemed for Cawl in The Great Work. Ah well, I mostly saw it to pursue side items not necessarily on the list of the three that would be too small to make a complete decision (like designing a new gun or a fighter plane) not pick multiple options. We really do just need our own Malcador/R&D group one day to delegate projects. Probably invest in UZI or ED1SON&T3SLA. Anyway, let's at least keep our fleet movement up to speed by helping our Navigators. The faster we travel, the faster we can win over the forge worlds and maybe pick up some good researchers along the way. We'll be able to revisit UZ1s eyes another time I'm sure, she and the Great Crusade are still quite young.We'll just have to work hard to earn that Talos vacation arc.
>>5257731just went back into the archives and found out TaL0S's head is not empty. it's basically a cogitator boosting our "processing power">TalOS had changed, that much was for certain. Before even opening his eyes he realized the numerous changes that were placed about him. The most immediate of them was that his brain was removed, replaced with a processor chip that was several times more efficient in processing sensory data than even his brain.>The next thing he noticed was the numerous circuits and connections made about his body. Each of these were meant for different kinds of components ranging from attaching extra limbs to hooking himself up to a Titan.>Out of all of them, however, the biggest change was where his brain was now located. Removed from the cranium, it was entombed within an Adamantine box at the center of his chest. Impenetrable from even the most heaviest of ordinances, equipped with numerous life support systems, and even of Master Work quality. Well, if TalOS lost his entire body he would still be alive thanks to this box.
I do wonder. Cawl made Cawl-Inferior using psyker and xenos tech from dubious sources.If Talos were to ever make a Talos-Inferior one day, would he be able to substitute it with cron technology instead. Given he would be especially keen on a helper totally-!not-an-AI not being warp susceptible.Yet another mystery to investigate one day, but not today.>>5257879Well that's useful info. Could always move some of those cogitators into a big backpack type set up, like most techpriests do until they are either hunched over or plant their torso's on some spider legs or alternate locomotion setup. Talos seems quite minimalist for a Techpriest right now. Even Ferrus probably carries more kit on his back.
>>5257878The Acillians already work as a think tank coming up with new technological variants, tinkering, making their own gear, and research. It's just not a task they are solely devoted to. Currently, Tal0S doesn't actually really have any techpriests working under him except for a military capacity besides exceptions like UZ1 who are his apprentices. It's only a matter of time before the Acillians descend in mass upon the Second Legion and completely replace their entire arsenal with masterwork variants of their own handiworks. I mean it's literally their #1 hobby. While Tal0S also granted them the rights and encourages them to pursue actual Tech Priests ranks as well so they DO have the right and capability to research into more specialized fields if they so desire.The truth is Tal0S already HAS an entire Legion's worth of master craftsmen and researchers under his banner(his Sons). He just hasn't convinced the Second Legion to join the club yet nor has he convinced the baseline humans to either. As the research club is very much highly exclusive to the Acillians. Even UZ1 had to go through a challenge before they acknowledged her. Admittedly Tal0S only really has himself to blame for lack of influence outside of military matters when it comes to research. Hence the lack of non Astarte derived research manpower under him. It's just due to war matters those Acillian researchers all focus on wargear and their kits. Where do you think all those new variants and masterworks came from? We also know the Acillians are heavily involved in the Genetors and will likely replace the Second Legions Apothecaries. As its how they create and recruit more Acillians which Acillians themselves take part in the process of creating more brothers unlike other Astartes they have a very hands on approach.So the Think Tank and R&D are already there. We just haven't done anything with them besides letting them dick around with equipment, variants, tinkering, and Acillian recruiting. If we want to all we would need to do is just encourage them to take on more Tech Priest training and specialize. We are already converting them all into de facto Tech Marines and they already have a shit ton of honorary Apothecaries from all the Acillian conversions. What we don't have is the normal human ones. Tal0S influence is limited to warfare, Null Tech, and Genetor. The Genetors already listen to whatever Tal0S says and Null Tech is something he is pioneering. Everyone acknowledges the fact that he is made for Warfare.
>>5257893"Where do you think all those new variants and masterworks came from?"Is our legion using Masterwork pew pew guns as the rule not exception? That we can logistically sustain it and shun the need for bolters? If true and I so want to believe it one of my goals are already achieved. If we can reasonably sustain 100% of our legion using them, with readily available interchangable parts and proper logistical supply for mass production then we're squared away weapons wise. Tbh I was mostly looking into R&D of weapons so that we can streamline production and make it so its easier to mass produce, rather than every acillian having the equivalent of what is a rare custom artificer piece that is tricky to maintain. But if we can reasonably call on our Acillians and ask them "Hey we need some boys with Beamer Meltas, we're going to need to crack something at range" and they say "sure thing we've got plenty of acillians ready to gear up for that", then by the Machine God that is great!The only other thing then would be our Taghmata/Auxiliary forces if we can sustain it for them too, would love to equipped not just our Skitarii but mortals just as good as the Solar Aux."If we want to all we would need to do is just encourage them to take on more Tech Priest training and specialize. We are already converting them all into de facto Tech Marines"That's the big question. When can we do that.We've always talked about trying to train and convert our Acillians into Techmarines en masse, a stepping stone to becoming true Tech Adepts and maybe even Techpriests. Lucius is supposedly rich so we can afford it, and we now have connections with Mars who has already trained some Techmarines. Now the question is when can we start the Great Re-Training?" What we don't have is the normal human ones.""Tal0S influence is limited to warfare, Null Tech, and Genetor"Yeah, what we lack is diversification and inclusion for the forces under our command. Which, hopefully by traveling to various forge worlds, we will improve. Win over more mortal techpriests with lots of experience, and gather more bright minds to train our boys. In time, we'll have our own very potent R&D team and more connections to other intelligent groups and resources.Also for being focused on war, I'm not entirely sure how diverse or well supplied our Non-Acillian contingents are. We have seen plenty about our Knights, Titans, and Acillians. But how about big our Cyberneticae forces are, and what models are available or how large our Aux is. We've yet to receive any penal legions.And our navy. We have got to start doing better than Frigates and Cruiser too.But for now we are building up defense on Lucius and focusing on forge world politics so that's not a priority for now until we need commence the Great Mitu counter-offensive and reconquista.
Actually, I should probably just ask how does a common Skitarii or a Lucian skitarii compare to a Solar Auxilary. They are closer to baseline humans than our cybernetic populace, but the Solar Aux has the creme of the crop of human gear that terra will provide for soldiers nigh short of things reserved for heroes and officers like artificier armor. Imagine Aux void armor is at least on par with Sororitas armor.It stands to reason that if the Solar Aux troopers aren't as augmented as Skitarii/Taghamta but just equipped with good gear, then our very augmented troops could probably benefit from having said good gear. Or at least giving our skitarii better augmetic equivalents to match, like superior exoarmor onto their bodies.
Ill go on a limb and say skitarii are absolutely superior to solar Auxilia or even the finest kitted Imperial Army regiment. Especially Lucius' skitarii because how rich we are.Think of what they use and why. Void armor so they have protection from space and give them more strength. Well our Skitarii have bodies steel and have bionic limbs. They give themselves cybernetic brains to be better soldiers when our people are modified like that from birth. Who do you think provides and maintains that equipment? The personal teleporters and robot artillery. It is the mechanicum We're the suppliers.The Solar Auxilia is compensating for the fact that they arent Skitarii. We dont have to catch up to them, they have to catch up to us. And they will fail, because the flesh is weak.
>>5257922Except Skitarii is a fuck ton more expensive than solar Auxilia anon. Much easier to replace a meatbag and throw him the same kit as the last guy who died using the exact same kit than it is to replace a Skitarii. You also have to keep in mind its unfair to compare with Lucius Skitarii when they have just been retrofitted by Tal0S who tinkered with their manufacturing and training. Lucius Skatarii are also a lot more mobile and rapid deploying. Not including the vast new amounts of wealth, resources, and manpower being poured into development that will even approach Mars.Ultimately Skitarii is just too damned expensive and hard to replace compared to Solar Auxilia. I mean Lucius Skitarii conversion centers were literally too efficient after Tal0S upgrades that they were endangering of completely depleting the planet of population. We did the same thing with servitors but that doesn't solve the expenses problem just how quickly we can replace losses and repair the wounded. The Auxillia meanwhile are easier to train, heal, and replace in mass. Its a disadvantage that Tal0S is keenly aware of and hence is fondness for logistics and attrition based warfare.>>5257901Acillians are. We haven't gotten our hands on replacing all the Second Legion's gear yet. Their arsenal is still standard. Its what happens when ALL your Astartes are knock off Tech Marines. They have a LOT of free time to tinker and replace their arsenals. I honestly wouldn't even be surprised if they had even replaced all their vehicles yet and larger pieces of equipment with mastercrafted replacements that they assembled by hand together.Trying to streamline their process is the tricky part. Acillian gear is practically all custom artificier masterworks they made themselves, but they DID offer their designs to the Admech with Tal0S permission. The issue is...well how complex their revisions and modifications are. The Acillians are no doubt already planning to replace the Second Legion's entire arsenal with their own stocks. Extending that privilege to others may be tricky as the gear their modifying and making is designed for Astartes since they had none until they made it for themselves. Considering UZ1's interaction with them I do not think they have yet to expand their manufacturing and modifications to service non Astartes. As we haven't instructed them to and they haven't seen the need given how much more baseline humans had at their disposal.I'm not sure we can get our Acillians to make that much kickass gear for everyone. I mean yeah it's their biggest hobby and who knows how much they have stockpiled already but none of their stuff is specifically meant to be mass produced or easily handed out to anyone else who isn't Astarte. The only reason the Second Legion gets dibs on all their fancy toys is that they are brothers. Although its only a matter of time before the other Legions find out about the all their fancy toys and gear thus want some.
>>5257922That does make a lot of sense honestly. Maybe I am underestimating our Skitarii.>>5257942IIRC unless I am wrong Skitarii are more like specialists, rather than the Admech's guardsman equivalent. More like Karskins or Stormtroopers. Forge Worlds have their own style of PDF/Guardsmen that have a name I've forgotten and can't remember."Except Skitarii is a fuck ton more expensive than solar Auxilia"Well, my plan was to offset that by merit of having more resources and in that regard Lucius is doing spectacular. But also even if we can't mass produce Skitarii in the same numbers of guardsmen, there are other ways to bulk up our legion. Techthralls, Cyberneticae, Servitors and Cyborg Abhumans (Servitor Ogryns are very close to Astartes statewise). To put it bluntly, for the 2nd legion it won't matter if we don't have as many Astartes as another legion, or even as many baseline human aux like the Ultramarines. If each Acillian is like a knock off techmarine, and we make ourselves capable of supplying them even with 1 squad of servitors, cyberneticae robot, or a group of guardsmen, we exponentially increase the size of our army. That's what I'm hoping to be the 2nd's big legacy, to be a legion known to be unmatched in the sheer weight of its mass and numbers, and to have perfect integration of Techmarine Astartes with vast quantities of auxilia and cybernetica forces. The truly industrial legion that Perturabo could only dream of. . .and we'll probably have to bankroll Perturabo a lot. Add to this Lucius is only rich now because we've connected it to so many resource planets, but its not fully optimized. But we haven't even so much as touched increasing its efficiency. If Lucius is already more resource productive than Mars now, just imagine how much more it could be if Talos applies himself to it. We'd have more wealth than we know to do with and w can easily both use it to increase our army, fuel the great crusade, and fund our biggest research projects and the Emperors too.QM has graciously gifted us with the vast quantities of resource for Step 1, now we just need to figure out the steps to turning those resources into our Legions benefit."Trying to streamline their process is the tricky part."Yeah that's the main thing i'm hoping to achieve if it isn't already. "Can we ensure our Legion can do this for all knew recruits." If we can just produce high quality standardized parts in large number, and then rely upon our troops being able to customize them and upgrade into superior gear, that might be the way to achieve it.Truly it all boils down to a simple question: "Is Lucius rich enough yet to afford making the 2nd Legion into a legion of Techmarines and what would it take"
It would be one thing to fight a company or even a platoon of Techmarines, each armed with the deadliest of guns, the finest of self artificed armors, and augmented to be 90% machine.It's another if you give each one of those techmarines a contingent of combat servitors, whom are sophisticated enough to be useful tools rather than a hindrance.And then, what if you could make those combat servitors stronger than baseline humans by replacing them with Ogryns. The amount of force amplification we could theoretically provide to our legion with the amount of resources Lucius is producing is staggering, where the Astartes is not simply our sole primary force but a component and a leader of a diverse and expansive army. It's just turning all this raw material Lucius is making into a refined product, that's the tricky part.IIRC Emperor actually does this with his Custodes, where some of them are tasked to act as generals who are given command of a sector and an army of Solar Auxilia to defend that front. I'll try to find the specific line.
>>5257960You are severely underestimating the sheer recruiting prowess of Astarte genome carriers in the population controlled by Lucius. Unlike other Astartes Legions we don't try to kill our Aspirants off because a dead Aspirant cannot have a family even if they're a failure. One of the first things Tal0S did when he got together with the other Genetors was maximize the recruitment vectors and procedures for Astartes Aspirants. The issue of course is the...drop in quality since we don't want dead Aspirants but retired/failed ones who have families instead. Tal0S has already optimized the recruiting for his Legion. Its just only the Acillians are benefiting from this and why we have so damned many of them and we haven't even got the entire Second Legion back yet. Quite a few Lucius Genetors are more than a little obsessed with family building thanks to the failures to come up with other means to acquire Astartes Aspirants. It wasn't just fodder for servitors, serfs, and Skitarii recruits were pillaged from those human worlds. Aspirants were also carefully filtered and if they failed given resources for family planning instead. Tal0S Legion is the ONLY Astartes that actually does have optimized recruitment its just their standards are also the lowest of all Legions as well as a direct result.Yeah optimizing our worlds is definitely on our to do list but I am not sure how much we can accomplish without Rowboat Girlyman to pick his brain about it. We know how to optimize industries and logistics but the administration is a very different problem. Especially for worlds, we wish to be more...pristine.Except only the Tech Priests and Acillians have the technological knowhow to customize, modify, and make stuff on fly and in the field. So just making a ton of parts and dumping it on them won't really work. The Acillians work because they have massive custom workshops they built for themselves and utilize to make everything they need. The parts they need and make themselves are all Artificer tier which is why 'standard issue' for Acillians is customized masterworks they made for themselves. That's not really something you can easily shove onto others. The ONLY reason the Acillians getaway with it because 1 special treatment and 2 Lucius is rich enough to afford it. Keep in mind we already lending out our Steel Wardens as VIP guards for other Tech Priests. So the Techpriests and Admech already see Acillians as an upgrade to their previous skitarii guards. So after we burnt our favor with the Fabricator General and proved how valuable they are. The Admech don't mind covering just how expense Acillians are with their hobbies. It's one of those 'suck it up at least you don't have to build all that shit yourself now' kind of problems.
Can't seem to find the specific quote I'm looking for but here's some excerpts from Watchers in the Throne.Thee Emperor made the Custodes to be the best of the best, but he didn't rely on them to fight. He designed them to be part of a greater whole, to command and fight alongside mortal troops just as they had when unifying Terra.That's a model I hope we can follow with the 2nd.
>>5257987We may not be Roboute, but even Roboute mentions he's only a specialist but every one of the Primarchs had overlapping skillsets. He and Dorn are both logisticians and he could plan a defense, but Dorn is specialized for defense. I'm sure Talos looking at a bunch of planets could do it better than any mortal Mechanicum overseer. Hell I'm sure even Angron could look at a map and if he could get past the butchers nails point out something and say "why the fuck aren't you doing it like this" and it would be actually very good advice.Plus Talos also has the benefit of being able to draw from the admech's vast libraries.For that matter, I mean more like implementing some of the plans discussed previously like improving the standard of living by separating human populated worlds from forge worlds, encouraging the forge worlds to be populated primarily by techpriests and servitor factory workers while the human planets focus on producing said humans who will become servitors. This way unaugmented humans can live healthier lives away from the pollution of the forge worlds, and forge worlds can dispense with the need to maintain an biosphere entirely.
>>5257987However the odds of them and the sheer difficulty/expense in providing that luxurious service to other troops is...astronomical. Even for Tal0S it would be a bitch. Acillians get away with it because of special treatment and they literally make all that shit themselves. So the simple fact is that the Acillians literally make everything in house, repair, servicing, maintenance, modifications, tinkering, etcetera. This means the only actual upkeep for the Admech to house Acillians is simply providing them with the materials, housing, and odd consultation. That's it.So for the Admech Acillian upkeep is actually uniquely VERY low in everything BUT resources. Unfortunately, the wonders of Acillian manufacturing and logistics really don't translate over well to other forces. You would need an ungodly amount of Tech Priests, servitors, and Skitarii to handle all the tasks the Acillians handle among themselves for FREE. Acillians are honestly hax in that regard because unlike Astartes they are allowed to branch out into other areas and fields of expertise. Besides the rare Tech, Apothecary, or Psyker. Which ALL Acillians do. Even the most martial Acillians the Steel Wardens are a bunch of paranoid duelists to obsess over everything security related. Bastards are probably already masters of Electronic Warfare and can troll the Alpha legion when it comes to hacking.The downside to that though is also obvious. Tal0S's Astartes are the...well weakest in a fight compared to other Legions. Good luck trying to beat them in terms of numbers, equipment, or logistics. His entire doctrine is about beating the shit out of you with attrition, better toys, and superior logistics. >>5257967Acillians already deploy with Servitors, Techpriests, and Skitarii is standard doctrine. I don't think we can afford to send them out with Cybernetica or abhuman servitors/skitarii yet. I wouldn't be surprised if they were drooling over getting their own robots to tinker with though. So Acillian Force Projection is already immense. Unlike other Astartes they actually like having company along. Its what makes fighting Acillians very annoying compared to other Astartes is their love for mixed units.>>5257992The issue is they won't be as fully optimized compared to what Rowboat accomplished. He was the best primarch at that. While we could definitely get things headed in the right direction we still gotta get rid of those atrocious Hive Worlds and convert them into literally anything else. While we need to consider how to treat, process, organize and manage those worlds beyond the poor showing of Frontier, Knight and Forge. Mainly due to yeah how inefficient it is. I mean sure we squeeze out more peformance out of them than the Imperium but that is only because we are willing to throw enough tech at it. We could really use a FAG for Planetary Management or something wait I think it was called TITS or something right?
Lowering the quality of our aspirants in favor of increasing the quantity of survivors fits well for us because we acknowledge the weakness of flesh and try to use bionics and technology to make each individual stronger.failed aspirants are still superior to the regular human populace. some chapters let them return home with honor and pension even if they are mutilated. in our case fix the mutilations with bionics and they can just go on to become techpriests or even skitarii leaders
>>5258002Failed aspirants are how we make moar future aspirants. Plus good luck convincing the Genetors to go along with it. I'm pretty sure that would literally cause a riot among the genetors while they REEE from sheer rage. Genetors already harvest sperm from Aspirants before Acillian conversion as standard protocol for their experiments, family building, and eugenics practices. Tal0S Astartes are noteworthy in that dead Aspirant is a useless one to them. So good luck trying to convince them to let failed aspirants transition into risky professions. The Genetors want large families from them.We haven't noticed it yet since not enough time has passed yet but Tal0S Astartes are likely to turn into a multigenerational familial recruiting somewhat akin to how the Custodes work with Terran nobility. Except they would be families who are carefully groomed and tailored by Genetors from birth to maximize their potential aspirant numbers and quality. So the whole thing about Family...should be taken literally once enough time actually has passed. You will likely indeed see uncles, fathers, sons, grandfathers, grandsons, granduncles, ect all having Astartes members and serving together. Really depending on just how many offspring the Genetors can arrange from Aspirants, Astartes(before conversion) sperm banks, and Astarte Gene carriers.It is something the genetors are already working on. Yet oh man would it piss them off if you tried to touch those failed aspirants. To the Genetors they are precious genetic resources whose genes need to be optimized, studied, and proliferated into the genepool as much as possible. Especially the failures since clearly they are...lacking but still breedable(of course that is what the sperm banks are for).
All this talk of logistics lol. Always about the logistics he is going to spend weeks of conversation with Guilliman or Perturabo when we meet themHow about since it seems like we might go for psy candles, do you think QM would make a navigator characters we would meet? Wonder if Talos might see in their genetics or their third eye. As captain of both the Blackstone Fortres and the Onis Probandi he should have a good working relationship with his navigator and astropath.We also didn't get a chance to ask the Emperor about our sight. Is he or Horus still in the system or did they depart abruptly? He didnt leave us much time to talk with him...
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>>5258013I mean, that was the plan. Depending on what you choose I will write a session getting more and more into it. I think a conversation between TalOS and what will (Likely) become his personal Navigator would be VERY interesting.
>2nd legion exists>Suddenly this trailer comes outhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0X1W5p_LaECoincidence? I think not!>>5258120I think Talos will like Navigators and Astropaths when they tell him that unlike other conventional psykers, they are the "safe" version and have no risk of corruption or opening up a tear in reality (they have no "Psychic Phenomena", and no "Perils of the Warp").They don't summon the warp or open up rifts, they just look at it. Sure they might. . .or probably will go mad eventually. But that's the end of it. No possession.Talos will be more enthusiastic to back them than most other psykers.
>>5258140>They don't summon the warp or open up rifts, they just look at it.So when are we making three eyed sunglasses out of those crystals for them?
>>5258144I think it's likely. In fact, looking at the abilities of Navigators they may be his one exception to designing warp tech. Because they are the PERFECT example of what his ideal a "psyker" should be. A safe, low powered being that is relatively less risky and can be used to even fight or detect more dangerous warp phenomena.Here's some of a Navigators Abilities:>Inward View - There are many myths about the Navigators' "third eye", its origins supposedly harking from the ancient past of Old Earth itself. The Navis Nobilite knows that such stories are not wholly mythical, though, and that it is entirely possible to discover hidden knowledge and a degree of inner calm using the Navigators' own unique brand of introspective meditation. Many of the older, more cloistered members of the Navigator dynasties spend prolonged periods in their Reclusiam Chapels, meditating upon philosophical issues and esoteric lore.>Mind Shielding - By using a rare, ancient relic known as a Cerebrum Cowl, Navigators can tap into their innate mental resistance to the Immaterium and use it to shield others from psychic mental influences. While the archeotech is normally used to amplify the powers of the mutants for warp navigation, it can also be used to disrupt and protect from psychic-based mental attacks and traps and other such insidious threats.>Obliterating the Immaterial Wake - Using arcane knowledge of Warp physics and even special techno-arcane devices (such as a ship's Warp Vanes), the Navigator can influence tides in the Warp and attempt to obliterate any trail left from his voidship's passing through the Immaterium and even realspace, making it difficult, if not impossible, to track. Using this ability is distracting and physically taxing, however, as the Navigator risks unconsciousness and physical damage.>Ætheric Disruption - Navigators understand, as few others can, that to perceive a thing is to alter it. By casting their gaze into the churning depths of theAbyss, they disrupt it for any who would draw upon its power. Use at the start of the controlling player’s turn. Until the beginning of their next player turn, all Psykers, friend or foe, roll three dice and discard the lowest result for the purposes of Perils of the Warp results.A large part of their abilities specifically reduce the threat of enemy psykers and demons!If we had a Navigator who could help obliterate the Immeterial Wake we leave behind, perhaps the Mitu would have been less likely to follow us. And mind shielding sounds exactly like the sort of thing Talos would want access to for his legions. The best part? Given that we are currently balling ourselves into one giant fleet, we only really need a few to guide the blackstone fortress. The rest could be used to investigate and even hone in their skills of aiding our legion on the battlefield to detect and repel warp entities.
Perhaps if we find any psychic astartes or start having psychic acillians, we can send them to aid the navigator guilds as psyker-techpriests instead of librarians, so that we can still invest in pariah tech without devaluing our psychic sons.It would give us better ground to stand on when the council of Nicea happens, and still have a defense against the warp.
>>5257599>Develop the Psy-Candles for the NavigatorsInvestigating those "Cerebrum Cowls" and how they can be used to repel Mitu psykers and Ork Wyrdboyz is something I would think Talos would be interested too if he's going to do Navigator research right now.
>>5258199Huh, thats actually a really good idea. I like how one person described earlier that the Acillians are not Warriors but Guardians when they were being made and this would only push that. They would be the Guardians of the Navigators and help them incase something like a Daemon Incursion was to happen on the ship.
>>5258203It's even fitting for their name, since the Ancilia is the shield of Mars, not his spear.
>>5257599>Develop the Psy-Candles for the NavigatorsTalos still distrust the warp, but navigator and astropath are noblest of psykers. They protect the Machine God's ships and his children, bearing to peer behind the iron curtain where not even he would dare. The ancients were wise to create them. They talk to the ship machine spirit, guide them safely through the realm of thoughts and monsters.
Putting navigators in this light really does make them seem good servants of the Machine God. Talos can realize he's safer having these psykers onboard the ship in the warp than without.
>>5258307Yeah, i just hope its gonna be a somewhat bumpy transition, TaL0S is both a priest and a scientist, so he should change his mind or rather adjust his dispositions according to reality, but they won't be fast or especially pretty.
>>5257599>Work on personal augmentations
Psi Candles>>5257611>>5257635>>5257650>>5257700>>5257878>>5257869>>5258201>>5258262>>5257842Research into the Astartes and Acillians>>5257614>>5257633Augmentations>>5258417
The idea of traveling two weeks within the Warp to travel to their destination was… terrifying to TalOS. Now a Primarch like him did not expreince terror in the sense that a normal human did. For a human paranoia would develop in the irrational and take over the mind to the point where the false became true to it. For a Primarch and the current Ship Captain at that, TalOS knew exactly what could happen. It was the reason that he checked the Gellar Field several times. Through his knowledge he was 97.8% certain that there would not be a form of warp incursion upon the ship that he was carried upon. Add into that the Blackstone Amulet that hanged within his room and the chances of TalOS actually experiencing death upon this vessel was low. He also knew though the power of the Gods, those that would see him dead if they could help it. Thus TalOS’s paranoia was not false in that it was grounded in the reality that there were indeed Gods out there that would seek his death. This only mounted the reasons as to TalOS’s annoyance at the issue before him. It was not that he could do it but instead the Primarch had to willingly create a device that went against the nullification technology that he was making. Something that caused the area around it to become a positive Psi-rating rather than a negative one like he prefered. At first the Primarch knew an immediate solution. Using the designs and internals of a Warp Engine TalOS could quickly energize and create something that would turn the crystal positive to whatever he set it to. Then he realized how dangerous something like that was. A Warp Drive was something that even TalOS barely understood and could be a great risk every single time it was operated. Mainly that was because of a rule TalOS was starting to realize about the Universe. Electricity, chemistry, and steel. These were the things that were of this universe and were anathema to the warp. TalOS, cursed with the knowledge of a two psyker civilizations, recognized that neither of them developed these things. The Plastoids, while being able to travel insane distances instantly, were still using hoes and beast-driven carts. The Mitu Collective, while seemingly advanced, used the very crystal within his hand instead of try and true electrons. Instead the Warp and its users ran off of symbolism and drew their power from that. The dreadful Plastoids had their belief in a foul god while the Mitu used the symbols of catalysts to draw on their power. Such unclean arts that did not bow to reality. The Warp Engine ultimately was an enigma but it made sense. With perfect control it gripped both reality and the warp, tearing a hole in both to allow transition. Same for at a minor extent teleporters and Noospheric communication. The issue was if TalOS created essentially a miniature stable Warp Hole Maker that would lead directly into the Warp. It was one thing his hands will never willingly make.
As TalOS reflected upon all this he began to hear footsteps. Those steps did not belong to UZ1 for TalOS did not want his apprentice to be tainted by such dangerous knowledge. It was not the Acillians for only the Steel Wardens were allowed to be present thanks to the sheer danger this project might cause. The fewer bodies there were, the weaker the Warp was, so TalOS went for his best guardians to limit that danger. No, it was the feet of the person who he contacted. “Primarch TalOS, it is an honor for both myself and House Lancaster to be within your presence today.” Declared the Navigator known as Lawrence Lancaster as he looked at the Primarch’s back. TalOS made a show of his hand in instruction to the Psyker to take a seat. To say TalOS was wary of this person was an understatement beyond measure. The simple fact that TalOS needed to employ two of their kind was simply a contingency in case there was some matter of corruption or death caused by the Warp. TalOS had seen the records and while they did not have nearly as high of a mortality rate as the Astropaths their risk of death was still very much present. Finally getting the last of his latest test prepared TalOS turned to see the small and somewhat famish man. Being a Tech Priest and Primarch TalOS towered over the rather meek person. This fact, and likely others, were the reason the psyker looked upon TalOS with several tinges of fear upon him. TalOS noticed that while he felt it the man did not say it. He was not trying to hide it from what TalOS could tell, but attempting to overcome such feelings. It was then, for a moment, TalOS realized something. “My… apologies.” The Primarch said in a somewhat anguished tone as he reached over and picked several sticks of incense, “Do your kind mind?”“If that is incense, my Lord Primarch, then it is acceptable. We use it many times in our own rituals.” TalOS felt a bitter comment coming up before smashing it and banishing it to his Machine Spirits. His creator not only trusted these beings, but likely created a large amount of their families. Such a person, TalOS would lastly admit, was blessed by the Machine God with knowledge and thus his sponsorship should not be taken lightly. That thought along with the present smell of incense started to calm him. He could feel the Machine Spirits agitation lapse and even the spirit of Particep Semper began to sleep once again. An ounce of trust was needed here for him to gain theirs.
“Navigator Lawrence.” TalOS spoke the name of the Navigator without care, “I have been looking into your request. To develop an inhibitor so that your kind are not troubled by the presence of the Blackstone Fortress.” The Navigator blinked a moment in surprise with his two normal eyes. At the moment TalOS noticed that the psyker was keeping his third eye close in what was likely an attempt to stave off the insanity of the Warp. It was… wise.“We did not want to trouble you so much Lord Primarch.” “It is Arch Dominus TalOS.” TalOS announced without subtlety. The look upon the man’s face was that of clear fear. Like he was stuck within the room with a mutant that would eat his face off. It was human, “I had heard your pleas and realized they were rational. I have heard similar among serfs and seen readings from the Skitarii. The Presence is not pleasant or healthy for a Psi-Positive species like humanity.” The Psyker opened his mouth for a moment and then closed it. He then looked at TalOS in fear and then became confused. The Psyker seemed to finally find the word he was looking for, “That is a fine understanding you have. I had heard that your kind was intelligent in matters beyond many’s comprehension and you only proved it.” TalOS looked at the psyker and thought to himself. The wonder if those were buttering words or a compliment swam within his head for several seconds as he weighed the options against several matrices. They arrived that it was a simple compliment addressed by a menial to their better. As he thought this TalOS noticed subtle changes in the man’s form. Shifting and wavering from to the left until he reached the edge of his seat. As if to realize the studying of TalOS the man blurted out, “My apologies A-Arch Dominus TalOS. It's just your magnificence has no equal.” A white lie, that is how the Machine Spirits answered TalOS upon analyzing the statement. It was an attempt to disway the Arch Dominus from taking his movements as anything other than that of a fearful man. He did not seem cornered anymore though and that meant something for TalOS. “Understanding is the True Path to Comprehension.” TalOS spoke as he allowed his mind to work like electricity through a cord, “Comprehension is the Key to all Things. The Machine God knows All, comprehends all.” TalOS allowed those words to sink and go through his body. He felt an ease of reality crawl through him as the Primarch allowed himself to be taken in by the divinity of dogma.
“W-wise words. Are they the Universal Laws?” The Navigator said as if the same calm that washed over TalOS washed over him. “Yes, they are.” The Primarch declared as he felt as much as peace as he was going to be next to a person who can shower him in lightning, “As I understand it you came from Mars. Then you have an understanding of our goal?” “It's the Quest for Knowledge.” Lawrence pointed out. “That can be a term for it. We seek to comprehend the universe. Only then can we be one with the Machine God.” TalOS told the psyker, “To work with us further that is what you must understand. Knowing that we are a Psi-Positive species does not mean anything unless you comprehend it.” “I… understand Arch Dominus TalOS.” The Navigator declared with an emotion that TalOS only saw at this moment. A hint of respect. TalOS gave an approving nod before presenting the device, “To those complaints I have made this, a Psi-Suppression Regulator. Once the crystal is set to Psi-Positive it will become able to regulate the local area to its specific Psi level. The reason I brought you here is that I need you to raise its presence to that of a standard human.” The Navigator looked at TalOS with a sense of genuine confusion, “You cannot?” TalOS narrowed his eyes and made the next few words as clear as he could with the voice of normal men, “I will not.”The Navigator placed a hand on his chest and took in a breath as a wave of emotions hit him, “ Would you give me a moment?” “Take your time, but I will not allow manifestations.” TalOS ordered the Navigator with the authority of a king. “I-I understand.” And with those words the man before TalOS took in a deep breath, just like when a Tech Priest would begin a ritual, opening his third eye. >Examine what he does deeply, question it after he finishes. >Speak with him to understand the Navis Nobility. See how they can work better between one another. >Increase his understanding of the Mechanicum. He needs to comprehend what he serves!>Send him back once the job is done.
>>5258977Dunno if anyone minds the longer updates. I mostly do it to set the scene and try to convey moments like this. A normal human will be flooded with the emotions of a Primarch. Know how nasty it can be to a Psyker especially when the Primarchs rarely interact with human psykers.
>>5258977>Examine what he does deeply, and question it after he finishes.this will be fundamental to both understanding their powers, how they interact with the crystals, and trying to figure out how to counter someone trying to turn our blank tech into psy-tech (or allow us to do the opposite).
>>5258977>Speak with him to understand the Navis Nobility. See how they can work better between one another.Understanding is indeed the path to comprehension.Also the long updates are legitimately wonderful QM. They give a great background scene and I think this is perhaps one of the most Primarch like you've made Talos seem thus far. His change from his usual relaxed attitude shows to a more guarded one is clear. I could really imagine reading this from Lawrence perspective as the introduction to Talos' BL novel.Decent lad this lawrence so far. Most unagmented humans have little control over their emotions. It's a testament to his character for not crying or soiling himself in fear before a not so friendly primarch.
>>5258977>Examine what he does deeply, question it after he finishes.
>>5257832>The question does become, how you guys wanna get/make these brains?Ask UZ1's mom about it
QM took great care to describe the emotions of a human this update ehehe. But in such an *external* way, almost if they were being observed from a being that had none
>>5258977>>Increase his understanding of the Mechanicum. He needs to comprehend what he serves!We must proselytize at any oportunity! And and want to nurture TalOS fear of the warp as much as possible... sorry, personal choice.>>5258982I enjoy it very much, desu. Your writing is good and I find myself re-reading paragraphs to get the most out of them.
>>5259009BL as in... boys love? Oh, black library... okay, okay. I got mixed signals there.
>>5259079I thought the same thing lol.
>>5259079Lmao yes I mean black library!This is one of the first times we truly see Talos serious face. All the primarchs had serious face moments, some more than others.
>>5258977>>Examine what he does deeply, question it after he finishes. >>Speak with him to understand the Navis Nobility. See how they can work better between one another.Observation is obvious, TaL0S couldn't even stop himself trying to understand, especially if he was weary of the person, so understanding that something is different to other "normal" psykers is inevitable.Asking questions then makes the most sense, probably about their abilities, their training and what dangers the typically face in their line of work.I kind of hope that that would lead to an actual understanding and a change of mind in TaL0S, so that he becomes a bit softer torwards Lawrence but has to think about it for a while and the asks him to another meeting to actually apologize about his previous hostility, it would really show his growth and humility.
>>5258977>Examine and question him
>>5259305>support
In the future we know that it wasn't just half the Mechanicum that Horus turned on his side. It was also half the Auxilia, half the Navigator and half the Astropathic families. Regardless of whether we want to play loyal or traitor, gaining influence among the navigators will be useful, particularly when there are the terrible warp storms. Or even against regular warp storms. Potentially we could use the Blackstone Fortress as a defense against the Warp Storms to clear a path, but we will still need good navigators.The idea of offering pysker Acillians as navigator guardians and keeping them close could be very useful. Or in the least, having armed gunmen to convince Navigators not to turn on us could also be useful. And saboteurs in case we happen to have them on the ships of a side we don't like.
>>5259523Since psyker sons wouldn't mesh well with what we are working towards we could also train them in medical treatment, give them a cowl and form protective squads for Astropath choirs.They are prime targets for possession, assassination and even normal medical support would be valuable.What is important is that we give our sons options and make it clear this is not a demotion or way to get rid of them, rotation of assignments would also help with that.
>>5259523The blackstone fortress can act like a mobile Cadian gate. Come the heresy, we might be forced to choose between opening a path from Terra to Lucius Federation or to the loyalist imperials trapped on Ultramar realm. That is if we don't discover necron drives for our ships.
Have them understand the Mechanicum>>5259075Examination>>5258989>>5259031>>5259305>>5259501>>5259367>>5259507>>5259569>>5259576Learn of the Psykers>>5259009I knew this was going to be the choice. At this point I need to look into how I ask things.
>>5260013Don't be discouraged, its typical behaviour for quest voters to align along common interests and this quest still has quite a lot of discussion, planning and appropriate shitposting.also, fuck you captcha, 5 different variants that you don't accept after carefully aligning it, go roast in hell
>>5260027True, and while the topic is still an interesting one I felt we could have had more. I knew you guys wanted information but instead of learning about the Navis Nobility they chose the more material matter. Again, not surprised, but I feel more could be done. Also, yes the Captcha is a nasty one ever since they updated it two months ago.
>>5260027Captcha has been a bitch all day, either failing to fetch or not going through
>>5260072The Entire Internet has been fucky these last few days. Dunno why but it is.
The room bore a subtle but powerful weight as all present watched the third eye open. At their posts the Steel Wardens tightened their hands upon their weapons as they prepared for a fight. TalOS, the one next to the psyker, felt an itch in his hand to reach forward and deny such sorceries from happening before him. He did not though. He held just enough restraint to keep the psyker before him alive as TalOS now saw what could be mistaken as a real eye. The eye was a simple one with a pupil in the middle and white sclera around it. The thing that made it odd was the eye did not possess an iris like it would with a normal human. Out of all the things that there TalOS felt was a crux of the mutation. It is a membrane that controls the pupil’s diameter to allow either more or less lighting into the organ. If this was a basic mutation then surely there would be an iris, no matter how useless it would be to the psyker. But there was not one and with it came a variety of things. TalOS had looked into the records from Mars talking about the long history of the psykers and how they existed even before the Long Night. That could be true as TalOS saw records of Mars enslaving a few of them but it did not explain the explosion of Navigators that came from Terra. Why did Terra have them specifically? It's because they were manufactured. Likely by TalOS’s own creator. If this was a natural evolution of the human genome there would have been useless organs like the Iris upon the eye. Such things were seen upon numerous mutants of the Human Genome where they had dozens of different pieces that were useless but present. TalOS could also feel it helped the subject matter of their creation. They were psychic and that means everything has a meaning. The lack of an iris meant that the mutants had abnormal eyes. Abnormality to the Warp means hundreds of things, primarily that they do not work as they are supposed to. A good example of this would be seeing into the Warp itself. As TalOS saw things he saw a thin strand of power leak from the organ. It could only be perceived through his own eyes and nothing else. Pure unadulterated Warp Energy that lacked any proper form. It can have forms of harm but none at the levels the Psyker was manifesting them. Still it was psychic power and indeed the crystal began to radiate a variant red flow. The Navigator stretched his hands forward to hand the item to TalOS like it was a relic. The Arch Dominus reached forward and ensnared the device with a firmness that one would expect.
With the crystal now in his possession TalOS flicked a series of controls and plugged in the power source. What once was pulsing now became stricken and latched down with unerring accuracy. TalOS gave a nod to himself before looking over and sending a nearby Steel Warden an order through the Noosphere. “Is it up to your satisfaction, Arch Dominus?” Lawrence asked as he raised his head to face the Primarch. “You have done what I asked.” TalOS answered the Navigator with a straight forward taste in the words, “Now we will test it.” As TalOS finished those words the Blackstone Amulet that he asked for arrived in the hands of the Acillian. The Navigator visibly flinched as he got just a few feet away from the item. A terror unlike the one earlier started to creep upon his face. Previously it was a fear for his life, now it was a fear of existence. “You shall hold it.” TalOS told the Navigator before handing him the regulation device. In an instant the Psyker looked relieved as if a lifeline was sent out to him from afar. TalOD nodded to the Acillian and soon the Amulet was within the Primarch’s hand. The calming energies that radiated from it helped to calm the Primarch down immensely. A relief that could barely be described went over his form as TalOS felt all those wishing his death look elsewhere for the moment. As he turned towards the Navigator he could see the massive amount of relief upon him. As if a great weight was taken off of him. He held the Regulator tight though and seemingly did not wish to let it go like one would a final lifeline. “The device works.” TalOS declared with a sense of satisfaction within his voice, “The Machine God blessed me with this knowledge, tools, and material. Through these I finished what I have started.” “It's… amazing.” The Navigator admitted as he held the device tight. “Do you think you will be able to use that as a catalyst to employ psychic powers against me?” TalOS outright asked the psyker as he moved to place the amulet once more upon his chest. “No, the amulet protects you just as much as it prevents you. I simply hold… a candle in the darkness that your amulet of blackened reality creates. A severed piece of reality that few can manifest anything with.” TalOS did not detect any lie there. He had succeeded.
“Then I did what I set out to do. I shall have my designs approved and they shall be issued to the Blackstone Fortress for employment within Barracks and the like.” The Primarch declared as he took a moment to enjoy safety. “That is… fantastic Arch Dominus.” The weight that previously held the Navigator down seemingly ebbed away as TalOS’s own safety assured itself, “I thank you for this.” “Then you will educate me on what you did.” TalOS told the Psyker as he nodded towards the candle, “I will need to prove that your method can be repeated without incident. The Psyker looked at TalOS with wide eyes as if the weight came back to him. TalOS wondered if now that he was not being bombarded by the psychic presence of TalOS, that he was now rationalizing his existence as a human being. “As a-a Navigator, our eyes are a gate to the Warp.” The Psyker declared as he tapped the now close organ, “Any moral human were to look into it they would see the Warp. We are trained to control it and bury it. The Nobility never lets any initiates outside into the world until they learn to control this power. I allowed a piece of such power to leak out and strike the Candle.” “So a controlled burst of warp presence.” TalOS told himself as he pondered to himself, “This allows your kind to unleash psychic manifestations like lightning or plasma?” The look upon the Navigator’s face went horrified as he heard those words, “My Lord Arch Dominus, we cannot do such a thing! Is, is-!” The Navigator was about to say something before catching his tongue in fear. “Speak it.” TalOS ordered with force within his voice. The Navigator gave a fearful nod as he heard those words, “We cannot do such manifestations. I can only see and control the tides of the Warp. Direct manifestations of harm is not something I am capable of.” That rang true, but TalOS wondered if he should believe it. Maybe this child was not trained in such arts. There were ways to learn more but…>Try and get some demonstrations of their power.>A few drops of his blood, so that TalOS can process firsthand experience. >Leave it. There is little reason to dig deeper and possibly become corrupt with such knowledge
>>5260078Uhm QM, it is said in the law that meeting the gaze of the third eye has those agonizingly killed, shouldn't that be an issue here?
>>5260093I noted that later on if you read. TalOS is looking at it from the side and hes a Primarch.
>>5260094Yeah saw that later on, still seems questionable to me, but as long as he doesn't directly look into it there shouldn't be a problem.yojrm
>>5260083>Try and get some demonstration of their power.Its a controlled environment and both TaL0S and the wardens are fast and strong enough to overwhelm Lawrence the second something is off.Putting the wardens behind him in a state of readiness is of course required.Ooc, this should convince TaL0S that Lawrence and Navigators as a whole are far more controlled and useful than his bias has allowed him to consider.If he realizes that bias yet or not is another question.
>>5260083I'm assuming that the blood is for us to eat and experience it via Ossmodula.
>>5260120If so then I'll vote>A few drops of his blood, so that TalOS can process firsthand experience.It wouldn't be the first time we done something like this. Also it means we might be able to some what recreate their power so we can calm the warp with our own powers.
>>5260083>Leave it. There is little reason to dig deeper and possibly become corrupt with such knowledgeOthers can be Psykers, Talos has little interest in that sort of thing. Lawrence can be one of our experts for us.We will probably want to be delving into surviving deeper and deeper realms of nullification field tech. So this is counter to that.
>>5260083I don't want our boys ancilliae leaving with a bad taste in their mouth you know? Daddy TalOS has always been very very very weary of the warp. Why the change of mind?If anything I would be interested in TalOS remembering to how to Deny the Witch. He used to be able to when he fought the plastoids. I am uncertain if he can do so effectively, a decade after.If possible, a write in would be in order:>Attempt to close his eye with your own psychic might.
>>5260083>Get a demonstration
>>5260153We havent even yet spoken with the Emperor.Perhaps he's focused on finding the other primarchs before having the usual sit down and answer questions session. Or his focus is on the Mitu war.I dont know if QM wrote why he left in such a hurry, but closing the eye before we've properly learned from the highest authority is a bad idea.
>>5260083>Leave it. There is little reason to dig deeper and possibly become corrupt with such knowledgeInformation from the Emperor or Malcador will be required when we arrive to Terra before we access our psychic powers
>>5260083>Leave it. There is little reason to dig deeper and possibly become corrupt with such knowledge
>>5260083>A few drops of his blood, so that TalOS can process firsthand experience.
>>5260083>Try and get some demonstrations of their power.
>>5260192on what mushrooms are you on. What I want is the navigator to attempt to manifest a psyk power during his psyk phase and for TalOS to roll for Deny the Witch. I don't want our Cog boy to launch a crusade against the Eye of Terror.>>5260153My write in may not amount to much and I expressed myself terribly, but this is precisely my intention. I want TalOS to train his psyk defense. I picture him in a Dojo of sorts and having six psykers cast SMITE and he has to either dispell their stuff or learn to take it like a champ
>>5260153TalOS can still do it, you guys did not kill his psychic abilities. As for those thinking he can't, I think I made it obvious in the earlier post but TalOS won't commit a psychic power. TalOS has eaten two Psychic species worth of knowledge and he knows exactly what he needs to do to to use psychic powers. Thats why I have been writing him as very knowledgable in psychic arts. Hell, he might be on par with Magnus at this point with the sheer amount of knowledge he gained. Not power wise, but knowledge wise.
>>5260353maybe you should change your vote to "A few drops of his blood, so that TalOS can process firsthand experience." it's us using our Ossmodula to experience it. if we know what they're doing we can more easily counter it. We did the same thing with the Plastoids. we ate one and not even an hour later we are de-manifesting their warp conjured plasma before it left their hands.
>>5260374I feel like using his power to undo or stop someone else from using their Psyker powers should be an exception. after all, that and our eyesight are the only powers of ours we've already used.
>>5260390Thats how I have been running it. How I see it, through his sheer understanding TalOS rips into the psychic attack and causes it to dissipate with the smallest of changes. If I was to write that ability, he would essentially get 3-2 Deny the Witch attacks with a +2 in their attempt but have no psychic power of his own.
>>5260394Meant 3-4 deny attempts with a +2 to his Deny attempt.
>>5260397Now that I think about it would probably be a 3. He did get jumped by Plastoids and failed to deny the full dozen of them that attempted the assassination.
>>5260374How much would you say Talos stand out among Primarchs with a vested knowledge of learning? Is he one of the most knowledgeable?The ones I can think who come close are Guilliman, but he had no fondness for excessive cybernetic augmentation of his mind nor is he endeared enough with the Admech to access their archives. He might prefer tactical reading to downloading info. He mentions specifically not being tech savvy like his brothers and couldnt comprehend fully the Cawl Inferior where he thought his brothers would know right away.Those brothers being Vulkan, Ferrus and Perturabo come to mind, but their talents were innate. Ferrus rather did not like his reliance on metal arms and neither he nor Vulkan were admech either or augmented their heads.Perturabo did augmented his brain with intense cybernetics. He might be the one to come close to Talos, but as with the others he loathed the religion of the Admech and priests in general so he may have been denied their archives too. Plus his augments were as an adult.Talos brain was augmented from birth and he basically has a free subscription to the sum total of Mechanicus Knowledge and soon he will have access to the digital libraries of Mars and the Ordo Psykana. He might even be able to read the brain bionics of Lawrence and other navigators and infer their purpose. He even saw the hexagrammic molecular structures in the Emperors suit.
>>5260404He's a rival to Magnus for sure. TalOS knows the mysteries of the material while Magnus practices that of the Warp. The only wild card is Perty, but I got a little theory on him. Perterabo will never make something unless he is prompted to do it. He lacks that creative spark that the Emperor had to create something that has yet to exist (Like the Primarch and Space Marines). As I see things, TalOS is the Emperor's creativity and ambition. TalOS will create what is needed and aims for heights greater than any of the Primarchs, just like the Emperor's Great Crusade.
>>5260408I like the idea that Talos and Mangus are two sides of the Emperor Coin.Magnus being the Emperors psychic knowledge, Talos being the Emperors scientific acumen as a tech genius. Kinda wish the Emperor would have long range noospheric communique with Talos like he does Psychic communication with Mangus. I hope we can achieve the same level of connection with him in time. That also leads me to believe just as Magnus earned the eye of the warp gods, perhaps Talos may soon gain the attention of the materium gods. . .or at least the one trapped in Mars
>>5260410Well, at the current moment, the Emperor does not feel it is the time to talk to TalOS. He needs to put some things to bed before that truly happens.
>>5260408Perturabo maybe embodies the Emperors unyielding determination to complete unpleasant tasks to achieve a greater good. Theres so many other things hed rather be doing but that particular shit needs to get done.In that regard Talos may empathize with Pert. There just simply isnt enough time or resource to do all the nice things. But the difference is Talos still tries.And we got luckier, desu. Theres no shame in landing on a poor planet, and no honor in landing on a rich one.
>>5260414Perty had the time, he just never used it. I believe the scene where his father comes up and admires his works only to be told off places that to the forefront.
>>5260417Yeah.Wonder if Talos will call him out for it.>Brother, come, let us build some of your wonderful designs. I have planets who could use them>[sperges about how wasteful/frivolos it is]Perturabo says he wants to be a helper and make lives better. But then just doesnt. Olympians ended up barely any better than any other planet integrated into the Imperium and the peasants still lived like peasants. And none of that can be blamed on Horus.Talos will also likely view the decimation as wasteful. It's one thing to throw men into the meat grinder if that is the most efficient action, give them courage and reduce the sense of pain.But decimation aids nobody and does not produce efficiency. I dont think anyone actually liked that.Talos may still hopefully pity his brother and deal with him in patience. Like that one friend you care about but you know he's kinda fucked.
>>5260083>Leave it. There is little reason to dig deeper and possibly become corrupt with such knowledgeNow is not the time, later with better information. Navigators do have offensive abilities but of a different sort, like making people go mad by letting them view the warp as they do. But that comes later.Why bother with psychic lightning and plasma anyway, that's what tesla guns and plasma guns are for.
>>5260394>>5260397>>5260403Sounds good to me>>5260153Changing my vote to support this anon
>>5260445>And here's the green and the link to my old vote>>5260231
Oh hang on we can get psychic denial actions?>>5260427Switch to>that write in where we learn how to Deny the Witch
>>5260083>A few drops of his blood, so that TalOS can process firsthand experience.This is probably the limit for now. A simple DNA sample to test while we improve ourselves would be best.
>>5260420after the decimation, some of the other Primarch lobbied the emperor to strip Pert of his legion and the emperor basically said the legion was his to do whatever he wanted with it (dick move Big E.)>>5260479>>5260445>>5260153Guys, we already have Deny the Witch. It doesn't make sense in this context. we are asking him what else can you do. it would be pretty dickish to ask that and then just shut him down anyway. a counterproductive exercise.
>>5260479 well QM told us here >>5260394 that TalOS hasn't forgotten to how to screw 'em psyks, so there isn't much profit in there... HOWEVER I am confident he can learn through actions and experimentation! So there IS value in tampering with the Navigator's manifestations, because these are directed to the Warp itself, rather than attempting to harm TalOS with plasma.How I see it is that the navigator would look at the warp and TalOS would attempt to impede it, thus when I said "closing the eye". My goal is for the Priest to be able to cut people's connection to the warp doing TOTALL NOT psyk stuff. Only the Adeptus Custodes have nulls in their ranks and they only have a couple of stratagems that are directly oposed against warp powers besides the sisters aura. I was hoping to see a more specialized skill that silenced enemies for example. https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/adeptus-custodes/>>5260507Yes, but there is room for improvement
>>52605101.) you need to be a Psyker or a blank (or have blank tech) to deny the witch so it won't help the average tech-priest.2.) Deny the witch has a limited range so you would have to get on an enemy ship to find their navigator and cut off their connection in which case you might as well kill them anyways. 3.) I'm not saying we can't practice Deny the witch but we can do it later when we aren't testing what they can do.
*cough* found this one somewhere. >>5260527The way I see it is just another weapon for TalOS. Volkite blaster is just as effective, but another tool against psykers!? He will like that.I will change the vote tomorrow
>>5260527Has Dorns ability to instill order into his surroundings by sheer ordered mind and mental will have any similarity to deny the witch?Wondering what book or lore its from
Truth be told we are no null, so it might better to enhance Vera and Trigs skill. And for that, we need to get to Terra in time to help Malcador with his Pariah Program and convince him to not do it on Terra.I seriously wonder how in canon such a smart man as him could make that sort of mistake. If Talos can realize that his navigators being suppress by the Blackstone Fortress is bad I ponder how Uncle Malc didnt see how the astronomical being right there wouldnt be an issue.
>A few drops of his blood, so that TalOS can process firsthand experience.
>Leave it. There is little reason to dig deeper and possibly become corrupt with such knowledge
>>5260153>Support
>>5260083>Leave it. There is little reason to dig deeper and possibly become corrupt with such knowledgeThe damn mollusk may be watching and want to show us something foul, or tempting.
>>5260564it apparently comes Solar War and it's kinda vague about it. it's possible that his power is to calm the warp, or project his will on the warp creating order, or just project his will on the world around him.if it's the 1st or 2nd one then it would weaken chaos but might actually accidentally strengthen psykers or make it safer to use their powers. because I imagine it's easier to use spells without trying to wrangle the warp to do what you want.if it's the 3rd option that it would weaken all psyker except Dorn (if he practised at all).
Some power demostrations>>5260110>>5260161>>5260231A few drops of blood>>5260127>>5260224>>5260505>>5260553>>5260725>>5260606Leave the magics be>>5260131>>5260196>>5260213>>5260744>>5260719Test against the Psyker>>5260153>>5260730>>5260479>>5260446 - You didn't do it right but you got lucky I saw thisVery interesting. That is a spread if I ever saw one. We will go with blood unless someone demostrates I counted wrong. Also early update today because I got off work early, lucky me and you all.
>>5261095Nah, it looks like you have counted right
>>5261095Yeah I am fine with this, might have chosen different If I had remembered the memory consumption feature.
>>5261095this is fine, desu
>>5261095yeah just double-checked it and your fine.
TalOS pondered to himself for a long moment upon hearing those words. The declaration that it was an impossibility was something that the realized truly could not be true. The one before him was simply untrained in the ways that they could truly bring harm upon people. TalOS sent a thought to a Steel Warden which caused the Acillian to move with perfect accuracy. The Navigator looked upon such actions with a sense of wonder before a sudden piece of understanding came upon him. What was that understanding he did not say. Was it something the Psyker saw or maybe a thought that had finally finished. None of that matter though as the Acillian walked to their father and handed him a small glass cup and a knife. “Navigator Lawrence.” TalOS began as he presented the hilt of the knife and the glass cup to the psyker, “I ask you, upon my authority, for twelve drops of blood from your veins.” “Blood?” The Psyker looked confused before his human eyes began to widen, “You… I had only heard it in rumors…” TalOS already figured out what the Navigator wished to say, “It is true. My breed of man, Astartes, and my Acillians are all able to process biomatter into memory and data. At this moment I desire yours.” “Arch Dominus.” The Navigator said flatly with several tinges of anxiety within those words, “We the Navis Nobility are not allowed to give such information even to one like yourself. There are many things that we see that even yourself would find harrowing! I…” “It will not kill me. And you are not the first.” TalOS told the Psyker as he waved his hand, “In my lifetime I have consumed two races of Psykers. One terrible beyond understanding that was learned from a most foul god and the other fools who think they understood the Warp.” “God…” The psyker almost sounded terrified as he heard that word, “You… you do not speak of fiction.”“So you do know.” TalOS told the Navigator outright as he inched closer to the person, “So you also know that I cannot trust your kind readily and without heavy reason.” TalOS watched as the Psyker’s eyes widened and his being began to shake. It was like a thousand ideas and thoughts began to rush behind the psyker’s human eyes that were held back. Lawrence looked at TalOS with fear within his gaze, “Did you hear their whispers?” TalOS felt a moment unlike any other upon those words, “Once. Once I did.”
The Psyker looked upon TalOS with solemn eyes and a slightly gaped mouth. His eyes bore directly into TalOS like never before. Before the man was held captive, languished in terror, and even felt a moment of solace. Now was a time that was different from them all. “M-my lord.” The Navigator said in a hushed voice and he placed the Psychic regulator upon his lap, “I… understand. It seems through your wisdom you have taken far more actions than any of us have before against those denizens.” “The day they act I shall not be found wanting.” TalOS informed the Navigator as he gave a solemn sigh, “What do they do to you?” “I would answer you, Arch Dominus T-TalOS.” The Navigator said as he poked himself with the blade, “But what I will give you cannot match words alone. I… hope it will also help you understand better what they are. They are not ‘Gods’ like how your people think of them.” One drop, two drops. The two of them stayed silent as they counted each and every one a piece of priceless information that the Primarch would receive upon their totality. The twelfth finally fell and TalOS accepted the cup with hands many times larger than it. TalOS took in a breath and felt the incense he lit moments ago flood his system, +The Mysteries of the Cult Mechanicus, First Law, Life is Directed Motion.+And with those words he drank. TalOS saw a realm unlike anything he had ever seen before. He stood before the turning and twisting of colorless color that bent in all manners of ways. These twists and turns were the thoughts and souls of all the living beings that inhabited the universe. Any kind of extreme emotion, let it be immense anger, depression, ecstasy, and even happiness caused these tides of the warp to shutter and fall into amazing new forms. Then he heard it. Screaming. So much screaming that it would overwhelm the senses. From the moment TalOS landed upon Lucius he always heard the screaming but his mind was built to ignore it. Only when he first felt the blessing of Blackstone that there was true silence. Though the senses of another TalOS heard it all. Unfiltered by his making, TalOS heard it all. Then he started to hear it. Aimless and immense words that seemed to badger him where ever he looked. They badgered him with promises of power and glory but in the end they were aimless. Claims that they were devils and gods that can give him power. These were the whispers Lawrence spoke of. But TalOS’s will pushed forward and he gained an even greater understanding than the Navigator. They were not it. That singular blue eye of… of…
+... To Break with Ritual is to Break with Faith.+ TalOS finished as he placed the glass upon the table to his right. TalOS looked up to see his workshop once more. No longer was he swimming through the tides of memory but the safety of his own place. The Navigator looked upon TalOS with a look of pure Terror but the Acillians kept to their posts. In the next second TalOS realized the Navigator got up and was trying to pull one of the Acillians but the guardian simply shook his head and gave a binaric answer to his verbal plea. “You do not need to worry about me.” TalOS told the panicking navigator, “I find myself even more ignorant than when I started.” “A-Arch Dominus!” The Navigator almost screamed as he flew to the Primarch’s side, “Your eyes, your voice, it was…” “Ritual.” TalOS told the Navigator without a second’s more prompting, “And it was successful. I have learned much from your donation.” “W-what did you learn?” The Navigator could barely calm down as fear held its grip upon him. “Experience. How you observe the Warp and how you control it. Those things are intrinsic to you so I felt those first from your being.” TalOS mulled the details as he felt through the information, “I can easily see it weaponized. Those powers of yours. But doing so will bring great harm to yourself as well and I have already developed counter measures.” “Nullification Technology?” The Navigator answered correctly. “I will ask you though. What do you see upon me? It was short and otherworldly that you could barely understand it. I want to help you understand it so that I can understand myself.” The Navigator looked upon TalOS for a moment’s hesitation with his human eyes. Knowing he already had permission he slowly opened them while TalOS glanced away for safety. “Something that was always there, Arch Dominus. It was always there but I can only see it upon you because it is so strong. I cannot believe I was blind to such an existence.” “You are dismissed.” TalOS told the Navigator, “I need a few hours to think.” >>Choose your Forge World. >Planet of the Faithful>Secrets compounded by ever more secrets. >The Ostracized. >Forges within the clouds.
>>5261203I'm an idiot this was the perfect picture.
>>5261203>Forges within the cloudsThat was great to read QM, well done.Ho boy, this is gonna be ... interesting going forward.
Presuming the Imperium has mostly rediscovered forge worlds in the Sol/Pacificus Sector and those are the ones we will be visiting:>"Planet of the Faithful"No idea. Mars maybe? But I presume we're visiting other places besides Mars atm. Voss perhaps?>"Secrets compounded by ever more secrets."I'm betting this is Stygies 8>"The Ostracized."Xana II I bet, they were always viewed with suspicion more openly even than Stygies. The Emperor himself was vested in discovering this mysterious mythical world on the edge of Pacificus. >"Forges within the clouds."If by "clouds" figuratively mean void, I want to guess that might be Graia and its crown.A bit 10,000 years too early to meet Captain Titus sadly.Theoretically could also mean Jupiter, but why visit Jupiter before Mars and I bet we aren't going to jump tot Terra right away.
>>5261203>The OstracizedVery interesting, I wonder if we can make something that shields the navigators, like a mini directed Gellar field
>>5261203>The Ostracized.Kek, The picture u used is cool too: Navigator saw tentacle tendrils coming from Talos's eyes, holy shit, that's Lovecraftian. And also we now know that Talos eyes is upgraded mutation of navigators eye? That's why Navigator was astonished?
>>5261225No, I think it first a manifestation of the psychic might of a primarch, the terrible thing they could be if taken wholly by their warp powers and second their legion, the connection they have to their sons, rows and rows of more than human men marching in his wake.
>>5261231I think you guys are mistaken. The Navigator is talking about the universe in general.
>>5261221Presuming I am somewhat mostly correct, then strategically:"Planet of the Faithful" - Going here, whether it be Voss or some other Mechanicus religous world, would allow us to have a greater voice among the conservatives I feel. Particularly if it is Voss who is "Right Hand of Mars". We could try and push for us to become the Omnissiah perhaps.(btw I have a plan for how we can become the actual Omnissiah without psyker powers, I'll detail that in a next post)If the "Secrets" world is Stygies, in addition to a plethora of xenos genetic samples that could potentially prove of use as well as their stealth technology, getting in touch with Xenarites and winning them over could prove useful. We could finally give AL3X a good role, and even set her and ourselves on the long journey to uncover the secrets of the necrons!"Xana II", well, while we know of its dark fate in the Heresy, we also know that there would be quite many mysteries to uncover. A single forge world surrounding a lonely star with no other constellations in the on the far flung of the Galaxy? Being so older that it is definitely not an Ark Mechanicus colonized world, perhaps being a DAoT construct? It was simply too powerful to exist so far away from Mars, and yet they were there. In canon, Xana was too powerful to fully subjugate due to the Rangdan war happening and the Imperium couldn't spare resourecs. But we can spare resources, and theoretically if we wanted to play with an iron fist we could attempt to lock control over it and maybe mitigate the Heresy as well as unlock some of its mysteries. It might also make a GREAT place for the Pariah Project, being far away, closer to the Halo Stars, and by making it a Null World we could cripple the influence of Chaos to boot.During the Heresy they were able to move the planet to the eye of Terror. Likely this was a planetary warp drive, but given how such a strong forge world was found in the middle of fucking nowhere maybe its some DAoT drive still buried, that we could apply to Lucius or use to uncover its secrets. Who knows maybe its a sister planet of a sorts!Speaking of, Graia's Crown is more definitely confirmed to have mass scale space orbital warp drives of very large calibre. Such technology would prove useful to our fleet and the Federation, as they use it for mobile means of resource extraction and construction. Imagine if not only the fleets of lucius went out to travel and construct worlds, but entire manufactorusm in space ready to completely redevop a planet in the blink of an eye? We could even start work on our own crown for Lucius.
Also, future planning on how we can become the actual, literal Omnissiah without resorting to the Emperors psychic tricks.So we know the Blackstone Fortress is basically the size of a small moon, or a moon. Its unbelievably vast. We could probably turn it into a manfuactorum on the inside and still have room to spare.In Infinite and the Divine, an Ork Fleet was observed draining an ocean world dry using giant space elevator hoses to replenish the coolant for their reactor.We could theoretically find an ocean world and siphon a portion of it into the Blackstone Fortress, then when we arrive on Mars, we literally make it rain and we even fill up some of the old dried ocean beds so that there will be continuous rain instead of the Emperors one shot trick. Start turning small parts of Mars green back like the good old days. Then we 100% have the right to claim the title of Omnissiah.
>>5261203>The ostrascised
>>5261203>Planet of the FaithfulDeus Mechanicus
>>5261203>The Ostracized / Write In (Xana II)I could be wrong and the Ostracized is not Xana II, but if it is my reasonings why this would be a good first stop:-If we can gain its true allegiance, we can gain some legitimacy and credit. Xana II was notoriously defiant of Mars but was seen as a wonder and a mystery enough to attract the eye of the Emperor. It could even gain us credit with the Emperor by bringing it into proper compliance instead of a more autonomous ally as in OTL-It's perhaps one of the farthest flung forges in the Galaxy, bordering the Halo Stars. If we do gain its allegiance, this is the perfect place to set up our Pariah Project. It will be out of the way of the astronomican, so a Shadow in the Warp will be no problem. In fact, we could easily hide it because its lonely star has no other places for habitation, making it an ideal hidey hole for our own secrets-Making it a Null Planet will potentially neutralize its risk of joining Chaos later in the Heresy and also ward away some of the Halo Star madness, maybe.-What the fuck is a giant forge world that rivals mars doing in the middle of nowhere? Could have some sort of giant drive engine! They did supposedly move it into the eye of terror in the HeresyImportantly we cannot expect every forge world to fall to Talos Persuasion either, not even Lorgar or the Emperor were that charismatic. If every human world just smiled and agreed to compliance, they wouldn't need the Legion. We may want to actually practice militarily subjugating or coercing a forge world, because there will and have been in canon forge worlds that did not simply bow before the Mechanicum. So at some point we should practice bringing a forge world into compliance. Xana II being far away with few diplomatic ties and being seen as a prize is ideal for thisWe may, or in fact, will at some point have to fight fellow Mechanicum and learn how as well as how to reconcile after compliance is obntained. We will earn credit for bringing Xana into compliance where no other couldit's far away in a dark corner of space, the perfect spot to claim and make our hidden box no one else is allowed in. If we can win over the locals. By charisma or force. And we have the force.
>What the fuck is a giant forge world that rivals mars doing in the middle of nowhereThey bio-engineered a species of pink canine to be sensitive to the creepy stuff from the Halo Stars, but are cowardly and make loud noises when monsters are nearby.
>>5261203>Forges within the clouds.Can you translate too me, I'm retarded what any of that meant.
>>5261246I would rather bombard mars with icy-coments. Water is abundant in space. Even better, https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/oceanworlds_infographic_full.jpg let's haul the moons to Mars, ork style and dump their water into the red planet. I am confident there is so much avaible water out there... hmm, well yes big chance Terra and Mars have depleted the solar system already...https://www.nasa.gov/jpl/the-solar-system-and-beyond-is-awash-in-water This is a good read
>>5261203Voting for:>The Ostracized.What was the world with the mastery over nanomachines?
>>5261412Glavia, but its in the Scarus sector in Segmentum Obscurus which is west of us in the Lucius (Gothic) sector. IIRC the Imperium has only been able to reach out Segmentum Pacificus and of course Segmentum Sol. Presumably we're the new frontline of discovery so we could play a part in heading west to find it.But right now i think we are choosing to visit those forge worlds which have been rediscovered specifically
>>5261203>"Secrets compounded by ever more secrets."I'm assuming that this is asking which we go to first.
>>5261423Yup
>>5261412>>5261420Technically it's not Glavia that's mechanicus, but it's moon Galath. And even then it's not even a full forge-world, just an outpost.Fitting for their sub-cult. So small, yet so much potential.
>>5261274>supportDunno if QM will permit this write in or will default to what he has originally planned for ostracized planet, but this is a good plan for Xana
>>5261274>+1 supportTalos doesn't really own Lucius or have a planet to call his own in a direct sense. We should change that.
>>5261203>The Ostracized.They sound like they need a friend
>>5261203>>The Ostracized.
>>5261274>Support
>>5261274>support
>>5261274>+1Bringing a forge world into compliance where no one else could will be a great flex for our boy
>>5261409Yeah but if we store water on the fortress we can make it rain when we arrive by dropping it from the sky rather than just crashing comets into the ground. Plus if the oceans were drained dry on earth and mars probably the solar systems frozen water in space has already been exploited too by now.>>5261274>SupportingI hope it won't come to having to fight them, maybe some threats and show of force with our fortress and fleet of acillians will be enough if diplomacy can't achieve their fealty. Also they play a big role in the rangdan xenocide, so having them in our fold will give us plenty of leverage with the Imperium when the war happens.
>>5262070Eh, if they are smart they will realize that they can gain a lot by throwing in with a fucking primarch that is challengening the superiority of Mars. It would be illogical to attack or antagonize him and there is a lot to gain by even being only tentative allies. Their smartest move might even be to withhold direct support until they can be sure that we have enough forgeworlds behind us to give Mars pause and if that doesn't happen they lost nothing.
I have a theory that Xana was built by the ancients to explore and colonize the Halo Stars which were dangerous unknown frontier even in those days, and why there are many dead alien worlds.Maybe the region is rich in ancient archaeotech like deactivated men of iron or lost dark age colonies. >>5262070>>5262076Just hope they arent hoarding or using any Halo devices. Those are said to be worse than warp corruption when in the hands of the elite and make them consume their subjects. That level of tech heresy Talos could not abide by.
>>5262070I understand... I guess RAIN is quite an impact.Filling up an ocean overnight has a good punch too tho
>>5262070>I hope it won't come to having to fight them,Well Dutonis fell in love with the God Machines. There is gotta be something amazing we can show 'em>>5262099>deactivated men of ironNow friend, come with me for a second to this backroom *BLAM*
>>5262168Good look executing the Lion or the Emperor.
Forge in the Clouds>>5261219>>5261397Ostracized>>5261223>>5261225>>5261254>>5261274>>5261465>>5261570>>5261883>>5261943>>5261983>>5261412>>5261577>>5261716>>5262070The Planet of the Faithful>>5261261
>>5262356Back to the usual extreme support I see. I wonder if there is any *trick* to make voting more dispersese like previous voting
>>5262372Honestly I saw this going any ways and didn't really mind. Its when its predictable is when it matters (Like asking someone quesitons. No duh you wanna ask all of them).
>>5262372I think the vote becomes dispersed when there is no clear logical indicator of what the correct choice will be. Talos personality allows him to reject knowledge of the warp as much as try to embrace it to know how to fight it or even test his powers on how to suppress it. They were all equally valid and provided potential benefit.Also that option choice didn't have to make us pick between three different goals either. All of those options fit in the goal of "psyker interaction", rather than "should we pursue augmentation or investigate psyker". Because then it matters a lot more to pick the best option out of the three goals to get the most bang out of our buck.Basically if you have to pick between apples, oranges and pears people will shift towards which fruit seems best. But if you're asking which side of an apple to bite out of first, then it becomes a lot more muddier.
>>5262376hmm... so if the choices are granular the voting will spread. It makes sense!
It was thanks to the amulet that hung upon TalOS’s neck that he barely felt the transition from the warp into the reality of the Machine God. During his time within the warp TalOS had learned so much more than he ever wanted to know. The only thing that kept him separated from that realm of thoughts and feelings was the amulet that hung on his neck. For sure TalOS would have wished to have ridden here from the Blackstone Fortress. To have meters of nullifying metals between himself and the denizens that plagued that realm. For his tour of the Machine God’s realm though TalOS instead was forced to take a fleet of cruisers instead. +Scanning area.+ Declared the Sensory Magos as they began sending TalOS a plethora of information, +Several locations active. Fleet Uncovered. Fleet providing codes of Mars and Imperium allegiance. Several other ships and planet declaring themselves to be of the Sovereign Forge Domain of Xana.+ +So we have arrived.+ TalOS declared with a wariness within his voice. As they finished the Iron Curtains that once held out the Warp began to raise themselves and expose the planet. Before them was a blackened planet that looked to have been baked by a star. TalOS could easily describe it as burnt dust that was fried by the heat radiation of cogitator arrays. It was a pitiful planet that indeed was covered in forges and assemblies. But TalOS could not help but feel it was the complete opposite to the prosperity that Lucius was afforded. A planet that was forever bathed in darkness and could only feel misery. +We are being hailed by the Priests of Mars.+ Declared the Vox Adept as they sent TalOS a link, +They do not have our arrival scheduled.+ +Share with them the credentials of our service to Mars, Lucius, and my own. I was given word from the Astropath that this region of the galaxy is turbulent in the Warp and that our arrival might have even superseded our declarations of approach.+ TalOS told the comms operator. +Understood.+ The Vox operator sent out a direct message beam to the other vessels. TalOS could feel the next message come in and the Vox Operator spoke, +Arch Dominus, they request that we meet them before any other action upon the Authority of Mars.+ +They invoke Mars…+ TalOS allowed that to sink in as he processed the information, +Very well. As we are their vassals we are obliged to follow their authority at this moment.+ +Message sent. They will be approaching us.+
It was around half an hour before the two ships were close enough to be in shuttle range of one another. Of course there were plenty of other ways such as teleportation that would have landed TalOS directly upon their ship but he could tell things were off. Data reports about the planet said that it was resisting compliance with the Martians and that the Imperium was getting involved in negotiations. The most telling of this report was that Xana II’s file was given the preface “Paradox”. Thus any matters of convenience were rejected to instead resolve it in proper form. Such a thing meant that the lesser would board the major’s ship. That was the reason TalOS was now riding in a shuttle that carried him and a series of Tech Priests and Steel Wardens across the void towards the other Cruiser. Sure there was the chance they could be shot out in the middle of space but TalOS knew things were too tense to even discharge weapons fire. +Landing.+ The Piloting Servitor declared as they slowly went into the bowls of the cruiser. TalOS soon felt the gravity of the Martian Cruiser set itself upon him and then the bump signifying the arrival upon the deck. The sound of pistons and decompression filled the air so that any issues caused flying in the void were resolved before the hatch even opened. The Arch Dominus stood before a small cohort of lesser Magos and the Steel Wardens who guarded the Priests. As the tailgate lowered TalOS was presented with several red robed figures looking upon him with hidden sensory organs. While their faces might have been hidden the Priests all moved as if they were shocked with several volts of electricity. Such a state robbed them of their ability to speak and TalOS shook his head to that. +Lords of Mars.+ TalOS spoke through his Vox Caster due to the Martian’s lack of a Noosphere, +You have asked for my presence and I have come. Make your peace so that I can visit the planet of Xana II myself.+ Those words seemed to jog something among the Priests and the tallest of them all spoke, +Arch Dominus TalOS DAV1S of Lucius I, Adept Clicker, have pleasure to welcome you to my vessel. If I may ask, are you a Primarch?+ +I have yet to fully understand the terms of that title.+ TalOS told them as he walked upon the deck of their Lord’s vessel, +But I am by its definition. I take it that both communications from your planet and my own approach have been stifled due to interference?+ +That is correct, Lord Primarch.+ The Priest of Mars declared as he gave a bow, +There is a stellar anomaly in the area recognized as the Holo-Star. It is the reason it took several years to discover the rumored realm of Xana.+
+Adept.+ TalOS declared as he looked upon the Priest with steel, +You are to address me as Arch Dominus. As far as I understand Primarch is an Imperial title. As we are both of the Cult, you will refer to me as my Orgained Title.+ +I am sorry Arch Dominus. Our apologize but we did not realize someone of your caliber was to arrive here.+ The Adept lowered his head as low as he could, +If you can pardon this transgression I shall retrieve the Magos.+ +You are pardoned. Send for him.+And with those words the Adept raised his head a little but it was obvious to TalOS he was not with them. The relaxing of the muscles and sudden growth in comms chatter were plenty of indicators that the Adept was trying his best to reach his better. Magos L4M: Arch Dominus TalOS…Magos B4ST: They looked down upon us.Magos U1T: Should we take this as confirmation of the Hough Court’s interactions? TalOS listened to their conversation and thought to himself for a moment. Though for TalOS he could not really state if he was here or elsewhere when it came to his mind. As a Magos of ages past said if one were to look into the abyss it would look back. TalOS had done just that. He needed to steady himself. Now is not the time to dream of the ether but instead act at this very second! TalOS began to morph his thoughts back to something that the Arch Dominus declared to himself hours after that event. He will try, from this point onwards, that no more humans join that Chorus of pain and suffering. Arch Dominus TalOS: It is indeed a slight. My Matrix is still processing how I wish to perceive such an act.Magos L4M: That is understood Arch Dominus.+Arch Dominus TalOS.+ The Adept finally snapped out of his lucid state to stare directly at TalOS, +If you would follow me I will deliver you upon the Magos.+ >Keep face for the moment, no reason to rustle feathers right now>Use their knowledge, that TalOS is a Primarch, to pressure them into doing what he wants. >Make sure they know an insult was taken badly.
>>5262384>>Make sure they know an insult was taken badly.On a more simetric diplomatic relations I would take the insult like a champ, but the assimetry here is too much. This is ARCH DOMINUS TALOS FROM LUCIUS, A PRIMARCH OF THE EMPIRE OF MEN
>>5262388to expand on what i said, ESL and all, we should bully the Mars retinue to get past them ASAP and reach the naturals of the planet. Harsh diplomacy against Mars is needed, because they know what's up.Of course, technically we are on a diplomatic tour requesting Aid against the Mitu campaing
>>5262384>Keep face for the moment, no reason to rustle feathers right nowI didn't see any insult, am I retarded?
>>5262384>Make sure they know an insult was taken badly.
>>5262384>Use their knowledge, that TalOS is a Primarch, to pressure them into doing what he wants.If we're going to play this game with Mars, they need to know we aren't going to be second fiddle. We're here to perform a task and we expect to have every card and asset available to us>>5262415The Martians didnt' even send their magos in person to greet us, as if we were some lowly emissary and not the Arch Dominos of a Forge World, in particular a very rich forge world with another forge world as ally, AND a primarch. They just sent some lowly priests to greet us. Hence we have summoned for the actual magos.At least that's what I'm reading.We seem to be right on time for the ongoing negotiations between Xana and Mars. So we had better hijack it for our purposes rather than what occured in OTL. Which means we'll have to sway Xana to Lucius or to us personally as far as we can, rather than leaving them autonomous.This is the good time because the Rangdan War isn't putting time pressure as it did, so we're ahead of the timetable.
>>5262384>>Keep face for the moment, no reason to rustle feathers right nowRemain impassive, give no indication of hurt feelings, offended pride or other emotive responses, We show our strength by being more Martian than the Martians.
>>5262384>Use their knowledge, that TalOS is a Primarch, to pressure them into doing what he wants.Pragmatic option please. Being passive will not help us not be easily dismissed, but being salty isnt beneficial either. Let's learn to use our standing as both son of the Emperor and an Arch Dominus to our gain.
>>5262384>Use their knowledge, that TalOS is a Primarch, to pressure them into doing what he wants.this is the most optimal path.
>>5262384>Pressure them with his primarch status.Never forget an insult. We can forgive, but never forget.
The thing about TalOS being pissed is that no amount of emotional vault is saving Mars' envoy from a Primach being pissed
>Use their knowledge, that TalOS is a Primarch, to pressure them into doing what he wants.They have given insult. Whether unintentional or not. We shall take advantage of this. We play the same cult politics after all.
>Pressure them with his primarch status.I agree. We might as well leverage the insult and our primarch status to force negotiations in our favor. Turning Xana to our realm of influence could be a very big change from canon. I wonder if we can get access to some of the weapons and toys that are available to the Mechanicum Taghmata during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy such as, personal retinue of Legio Cybernetica robots outfitted with teleporters to act as a suprise bodyguard force.
Side Question to QM: Are we familiar with the Ordo Reductor? Do we have a Thallax STC on Lucius? If not, can we obtain one from the Mechanicum? If yes to any of of those, can we eventually consider using Thallax Cohorts of mortally wounded Acillians and Astartes as sort of a dreadnaught-lite option that will let them keep pace with their former comrades? The process is said to be a bit rough on the implantee but emotional vaults and Marine phisiology ought to help with that.
>>5262804Kinda fits with both our doctrine and aesthetic.
>>5262804I imagine we will only use Thallax if we can't use dreadnaughts (from time or resource restraints). Thallax are better used on normal humans or Skitarii.Thallax: 135 (45 each) points for a squad of 3 then it's 40 additional points for each up to 9 (375 total)WS: 3, BS: 4, S: 5, T: 5, Wounds: 3, A: 2, LD: 8 SV: 4+Dreadnought: 120 point cost. can get 3 for 360WS: 3+, BS: 3+, S: 6, T: 7, Wounds: 8, A: 4, LD: 8 SV: 3+
>>5262384>Use their knowledge, that TalOS is a Primarch, to pressure them into doing what he wants.The priests of Mars may have slighted us in having an adept meet us, but this is not the time for us to seek justice from their actions. Today, we have come to seek an alliance and cooperation with another fellow Forge World, so small matters such as face is irrelevant when compared to our mission. Rather, we can use this to our benefit and press the Priests to follow our will, after all we are a.... creation of their "Omnissiah", and we can use that in our favor.
>>5262804>>5262807I imagine this will be one of the many things we will attempt to pursue as part of the "Great Research/Reorganization Vacation" arc where we're no longer flitting about the Galaxy trying to establish Lucius and ourselves and can sit in our nice comfy Fabricator General chair and spend some years on Sol, talking with Emperor, Uncle Malcador, and maybe even getting to spend some quality time with our wife.Possibly we can try to make a big list that QM can factor into a timeskip event, so he can just say "congratulations you did all of what could be achieved with the resources on Mars/Terra except these things which are for now beyond even Talos ability, now to head back out into the Galaxy as there's even more science to rediscover and great crusading to be done. At least, that's how I can sort of envision a way to feasibly achieve most of the inevitably gigantic list of things us players would try to do.In regards to the Thallax specifically, I suppose it depends how versatile they are.My big dream is for Talos to cook up Primaris-Scale Bionics. Arms, legs, torso, basically the Iron-Father Primaris Body of Malkaan Feirros, and just shoving the brain and any relevant organs into the chest cavity. While it might not benefit from the same geneseeds and enhanced organ survivability of a Primaris, being able to tout bigger and meaner space marines is great. They dont' even have to be wounded, we can just ask for volunteers or even veterans who want to become one with the machine. a Primaris-Height cyborg would have the same versatility as a space marine where as I don't know if the same is true or not as the Thallax. But if the Thallax is better than a Primaris Cyborg, then that's even more perfect it saves us less trouble and we can just ask Volunteers from the get go. Why wait for wounding, when it is an ideal to become one with a machine? Just add some mechadendrites and blam, research versaility and fine motor skills. Guilliman moaned that his hands were too big to pick up pieces of paper. Talos would never have a problem like that because he'd just use tiny metal tentacels to pick them up and write on them. For those Astartes who don't share the Iron Hands/Techmarine mentality of abandoning flesh, Talos could use his Genetor Skills to try and cook up the same genetic formulae that make the Sons of Antaus really large and have even greater healing factor than normal. But if we go through with the Mass Techmarine program, I'm wondering how many astartes will be left who cling to their flesh.>>5262927Iirc those rules are rather old and not updated for 8e/9e, so the Thallax updated today might even be better. Unless I'm mistaken.
Ultimately, I do believe mass bionics will be the way to go when it comes to merging the legions as long as we can maintain Lucius vast wealth to afford it. Through bionics, the physical differences between Acillians and Astartes won't matter we can just upgrade both of them with limbs and forms that are superior even to them. Astartes bionics have been stated to be better than actual astartes limbs in the Iron Hands novel and that's the entire Iron Hands shtick, which our legion will take to an even greater extreme as Techmarines. (we might even ending up selling superior bionics to the Iron Hands legion and the Iron Warriors because obvioulsy both of them would be interested for different reasons)Then any doctrinal or tactical differences can be handled through training and hypnomat. It would be the simplest way to mesh our two legions together, rather than trying to tweak more into the genetics. Not to mention since our legion loves their oxygen burning gas, we can make their bodies resistant to the flame gas so they can wade through the stuff without harm. We might not be the Death Guard when it comes to resilience, but damn will we get close with bodies mostly of steel and those few organs not replacable protected behind armorgass.
>>5263048The vacation arc sounds so comfy I hope it happens. Upgrading our entire legion into Techmarines and giving them metal bodies will take some time after all. Plus gives QM opportunities to flesh out Talos character outside of just war and politics.
>>5262384>Keep face for the moment, no reason to rustle feathers right now
>>5262384>Keep face for the moment, no reason to rustle feathers right nowDoing the hissyfit right now I think is not as well as bringing up our experience with Xana. Because I do not think there is a more accomplished Arch Dominus in theatre, and as customary admirals have to greet admirals, not captains bringing an admiral to another admiral.That shit breaks a lot of ancient traditions. So the question of what has the leader of the fleet so enraptured becomes very pertinent and it better be something big. Else we are very much justified in swiping Xana from under their asses.
>>5262384>Keep face for the moment, no reason to rustle feathers right nowMars was incompetent when it came to negotiations with Xana. "When your enemy is making a mistake don't interrupt them". If we lay low and pretend not to care, they won't try to stop us when we swindle Xana out from under their noses. If we make a scene now, they'll throw everything they can to slow us down.
Also, terribly annoyed I did not look at this primarch quest earlier. Aside from the spelling errors and occasional missing word it is quite nice. Would have wanted to be at the start of the Achillan project and make a bit for them calling us gene sire instead of father. A more comprehensive word usage that we could have turned on Emps, if he bothered to go beyond the few exchanges we had with him.
>>5263137Yeah being in thread 1 woulda been nice.I think calling our legion sons is fine. We want our legion to be our sons, so we will be as a Father to them. Because we choose to be and have said so and will try to earn it.To our sons in the 2nd, they are for now our Genestock, but when we meet them in full we will tell them we will try to be as a father to them all.The Emperor could be another father to us, as C4R, but he would too have to choose that. When we speak to him again, maybe we can let him know. We will be very happy, and pleased to be a faithful tool and weapon, he does not need to mask his intent in the guise of faux paternity. We know what he wanted in his psychic message. Someone to follow him, to fight in his wars. We intend to be that. . .from within the Mechanicum. To bend it to the will of the great cause of Mankind.But does he want sons? Does *he* want to be a father? If he feels the loneliness as we do, for we too have embraced children and companionship, we can welcome him with arms and get to know him better. Maybe even a name we can call him. Doesn't have to be his true name (for the Mechanicus Rites warns about giving ones true credentials to a Daemon Virus), but a name he permits himself to be called. We are Talos as much as 2nd Primarch.He probably knows our True Name too desu.
Imo what separates a Son and Father, from Creator and Created? Is it merely genetic lineage? The galaxy is full of bastards and orphans, they were sired by their parents but never once had felt the touch of their love and care. Likewise, there are many who adopt, both common and noble, taking them to be part of their family, their legacy, to show them affection and care. That is the difference.Trig and Vera are our children, because we choose them to be and show them our love. They may not be of our geneline or stock, but they will one day bear the name Davis, and will be nobles of both the Lucian House of Davis and of the Imperial Household. We call T3L5A, ED150N and our other Acillians sons too. We are glad when they succeed and prosper, and saddened if any of our sons are lost. We let them know they have a father in us as much as a commander or a genemaker. To be a father is to love your children as sons, whoever and whomever they are, as C4R did to us. If the Emperor wants a son, all he need do is be honest and ask. And if he just wants tools, there is no problem in that. We would even praise and be pleased at his honesty of heart. We do not need to be deceived to obtain our loyalty. There are very many who serve under us as tools and servants of the Machine God in his great work, whom we would fight for and consider ally and partner all the same. We may even create many servitors and constructs of our own, whom we do not call son, but expect reliability from. But to be a son and a father, that requires honesty and care. I feel kinda bad for Perturabo's adopted father. He would have loved having a son like us. Our view is likely the exact opposite of Pert, he couldn't abide any lesser beings to be his kin or to grow close to his heart. Not even his own "sons". Also I'm unsure how much the Emperor really wants sons either, given how many sensei and lovers he abandoned. I'm not sure the TTS joke explanation of him leaving women in a bloody mess is any better.
>>5263196Not all the Emperors children were sensei, only some of them. Perhaps most of them aged and died normally and the Emperor thought this was the case for all of them. I don't think its fair to assume the Emperor abandoned them all, he might have made the mothers and their families very rich and well off and left them be. The sensei were an immortal anomaly he didn't recognize because they were pariahs and so invisible to psykers. I think if we end up making children with UZ1 in a biotank, it would be sweet if Vera and Trig have siblings who are just like them, nulls. Then they would have no doubt for sure we are their father.
>>5263137But then we wouldn't be dad TalOS
>>5262384>Keep face for the moment, no reason to rustle feathers right nowLet the Martians think we are easy to dismiss, easy to manipulate. We'll do our own secret deals with Xana.
I honestly feel that TaL0S doesn't like diplomacy.He isn't bad at it, probably even pretty good, since he has Primarch charisma, can ready people easily and still considers their positions in the deal, but he would rather be doing somethng else, like inventing, tinkering or simply talking to his extended family and friends.
>>5263371Likely correct.At the same time, diplomacy can lead to resources, knowledge, and technology. And diplomacy and psychology themselves are sciences. So Talos is more than willing to go through with learning it. And there's always the satisfaction of a good deal being struck.But it's not as big a hobby to him as say, Fulgrim or Guilliman. At least while Fulgrim still does diplomacy.
>>5262384>Use their knowledge, that TalOS is a Primarch, to pressure them into doing what he wants.
>>5263393We're going to be impressed as hell when Fulgrim goes to Byzas and wins over the whole planet with only seven space marines and himself in less than a month.
>>5263393Psychology is more of a pseudoscience or soft science depending on how you want to play it. And diplomacy is an art. They have rules, patterns and guidelines but are way to subjective to be a mechanics main fare. Not that admech is incapable of it, but very few see the point of it when they can negotiate deals from the position of local monopoly.That being said we are going to be going on a applied diplomacy course and the creation of the federation was a nice apetizer. Especially the Knight recruitment scenes.Speaking of. Knights I hope we have some Knight statues on lucius and go for more Knights.
What is bad about psicology is that while the processes and research may not be flawed, there are lines of thought. In one of them fucking your mother is a fulfilling experience and in another it's horryfing and taboo.The judge didn't like my argument>t. sonichu
>>5263048>and just shoving the brain and any relevant organs into the chest cavity.This made me remember many shows where this trope is used.One being Shapes from texhnolyze. Essentially your head is whole but the rest is compated into a cocoon. See pic related, the brown thing at the center is what I am talking about.Another boring mention is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFuxiZFwDPs robocop 2014. I call it boring because the housing of the organs is built around them, without attempting to reduce them in size and shove them in a compact canister? I would get rid of the left ventricle and atrium because there is no body to pump blood into. The right side could easly circulate blood into the lungs for gas exhange and the remaining cardiac output would go into the brain and hand. Since the head is a metal case I would easly regulate the intracranial pressure so it's very very easy to get blood going and bypassing the siphons too... ah! honorary menton to Prushka Soup
>>5263122>>5263103>>5263073>>5262415>>5262423I want to mention that showing Xana that we got pissed off with Mars may work on our favour, if they are resisting being put under Mars' influence. This also shows that Mars is not on the best terms with TalOS so Xana would say "oh so he is not another Mars lackey" and be interested in what we have to say.This is the main reason why I want TalOS to be so pissed off >>5262388 about this discrete slight. And because angry primarch is best primarch
>>5263541The thing is, we aren't yet meeting with the Xana envoy's, just with the Magos in charge of the whole diplomatic endeavor. A Mars envoy, pissing him off isn't gonna help. Not that saying nothing will do much either aside from biding our time.
>>5263533I mean at that point, why have traditional lungs and a heart anyway. Just have compact blood oxygen cleanse and dispensers and two mechanical heart pumps.
>>5263554>The thing is, we aren't yet meeting with the Xana envoy's, just with the Magos in charge of the whole diplomatic endeavor. A Mars envoy, pissing him off isn't gonna help.Oh but brother, words travel fast, noosphere or not. It's all about that sweet, sweet first impression>>5263570Well yeah, having a permanent flow pump would do just fine, and no need to have two! Of course current pump grafts are two. Here have a read https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Most-commonly-used-mechanical-circulatory-support-devices-a-The-HeartMate-II-LVAD_fig1_303482700About lungs, I haven't found any convincing materials that can replace the alveolii. Nanometer thin, microscopical bubbles that have a mesh of blood on the "ouside" of them and gas on the "inside" of the baloon, grouped in clusters to use space as efficiently as possible...
>>5263585You doubt the master genetor and techpriest Talos could not come up with either a compact genetic lung or a biomechanical one that takes up a tenth of the space? Let alone some STC future sci fi biology?
>>5262384>Keep face for the moment, no reason to rustle feathers right nowI think Talos is the calculating type. He'll wait to see the situation, gather all data, then make his move. They likely already deal with more openly boisterous primarchs like Horus and Russ, so just trying to brute force our way is something they could be used, even preparing for. When the time is right, then he strikes with the full fury of a cruiser ram. For now we can let their guard down.
>>5263614Oh come on, this IS the time to strike with fury! By calling their manager>>5263595Yeah, that's how most fiction works... :( did you save a .gif and it became a .jpeg?
Here's the current score.>Keep face for the moment, no reason to rustle feathers right now 7 >Use their knowledge, that TalOS is a Primarch, to pressure them into doing what he wants. 8>Make sure they know an insult was taken badly. 3
>>5262384>>Use their knowledge, that TalOS is a Primarch, to pressure them into doing what he wants. Just because I think QM could write a cooler scene this way.
Take the Insult Badly>>5262388>>5262419>>5263043Rustle no feathers>>5262415>>5262423>>5263073>>5263103>>5263122>>5263275>>5263614Pressure>>5262422>>5262429>>5262456>>5262613>>5262974>>5263425>>5263669>>5262687>>5262774Put pressure upon him!
>>5263699One of our closer votes in a while
The Adept brought the group of Lucians through their hull with the accuracy that one should expect from a Tech Priest. TalOS noted that they even went around and occasionally took maintenance passages as they tried to get to their destination as fast as they could. Finally they arrived in what TalOS quickly identified as the bridge of the ship. Even with several thousand years apart TalOS could tell how little changed between Lucius and the red Martians when it came to overall ship design. The only real difference here was that the Martian vessel carried about it a series of red banners that were strung across the ceiling just like how Lucius would their own. Looking forward TalOS saw an immense form of a man swathed in mechanrites and machinery that could only belong to a Tech Priest of high caliber. As the Adept placed TalOS and his possy at a small distance the Tech Priest that was a little shorter than TalOS turned around and gave a bow to him. +I am Magos Margin. /Situation Analysis/ I did not expect a son of the Omnissiah to have graced my presence today.+ The Man Machine declared as he gave TalOS an ever deepening bow. +Magos Margin, I come here understanding that you are the head diplomat to the world of Xana II?+ +[Agreement] You are correct my Lord.+ The Magos declared while raising his head, +It is the duty the Fabricator General himself placed upon him. To investigate, analyze, and prepare Xana for its entrance into the greater fold of the Omnissiah and the Mechanicum.+ TalOS pondered to himself for a moment, but not without noticing the fear on the Adept’s face as his Magos spoke. TalOS was sure the lesser Tech Priest was expecting TalOS to reprimand his master for not calling him by his full title. But TalOS was realizing quickly what the situation was and knew now was not the time for reprimand. The Tech Priest before him was overestimating TalOS’s worth and already gave the Primarch immense amounts of information. TalOS only needed to work forward from there and squeeze them dry before employing his greater scheme. +Information gathering? Provide me a conjecture.+ The Tech Priest before TalOS gave a bow before sending him a package of information.
+Xana II is an anomaly in relation to the records of Mars.+ Declared the Tech Priest as TalOS began reviewing the data parcel he was given, +We have records of all the Forge World and maintained contact with a vast majority that were within Segmentum Pacificus and Solar. Xana II however does not share this trait with its other worlds.+ +So the records of Mars are incomplete? Are we sure this is not a Forge World spawned from another nearby?+ +/Processing Suggestion/ [Denial] There was no Ark Mechanicus that have approached this region that has not reported back to Mars.+ +Is that the reason why this planet was declared a Paradox?+ TalOS asked as he narrowed his eyes, +And why they sent an investigator instead of a diplomat?+ +/Joy/ You are correct Primarch TalOS. As expected of your kind.+ The Tech Priest did a mocking cheer as he took a moment to shuffle what was likely a rod of data within his mind, +I am here to determine the origin of this Forge World. Currently I have numerous theories but do not have any.+ +Speak your mind.+ +/Organizing by probability/+ The Tech Priest declared as his body began emitting data rhythms, +First, Xana was birthed from a time distorted craft. Second, they generated from a small group of Adepts and thus records have become scarce. Third, they are a congregation of Exiled Tech Priests.+ +You believe the warp is more likely than others?+ TalOS asked as he noticed the Tech Priests priorities.+ +I do. /Conjecture/ The Warp has caused numerous phenomena across the universe due to time distorment. Such events can cause massive deviation. They wish to keep this secret to prevent attempt to correct timeline cohesion.+ TalOS heard those words and processed it for himself. Still the other two make more sense than whatever nonsense. Soon though TalOS realized the truth of the matter. TalOS spoke his realization, +I take it the others are less likely because Mars does not forget?+ +Correct.+
TalOS took a moment to look around the room and noticed the setting of several of the cogitators that were spread about the place, +What were you doing as I came in?+ +Collecting information on Xana. Their defenses are strong however and I have failed to penetrate their secondary Aegis Systems.+ TalOS nodded as he heard those words but inside he was starting to gain a dislike for this man, +You are attempting to crack their Datalinks. What drove you to such an extreme measure.+ +They are a Paradox Primarch TalOS. Whatever happened, let it be temporal anomalies or exile, are all crimes that must be realized.+ TalOS processed such a declaration before saying his own, +So that is the hold up here. You and Xana are waging a data war against one another?+ +/Insert Defense/ They did not give Mars what was expected of us. We asked them to provide light to illuminate us. To make us understand why they are not a paradox. /Anger Quarantined/ They failed to comply at all stages and declare their independence from Mars. That cannot be for Mars is the head of the Cult Mechanicus.+ TalOS began to think about the situation and process what was there. The fact Xana hated Mars was something TalOS was starting to understand since the Fabricator General didn’t sent a diplomat but a datasmith to their planet. Constantly bombarded by digital attacks from the Mechanicum, TalOS wondered why there has yet to be a hot war between them. Then again those on Xana were not stupid. If they sparked a hot war the Legions would come to take them down. +/Inquiry/+ The Tech Priest before TalOS got his attention back again with a beam of data, +Would you be able to breach their Aegis Protocols? Your assistace in this matter would honor me. I understand it that you are an Arch Dominus and as such would have access to higher capacity infiltration tools.+ That was a card TalOS expected to be drawn but it still gave him a little surprise. IT would be an easy way to get the information and TalOS was sure he could do it. Though him against thousands of active Tech Priests would mean his presence might be marked. Then again if he denies this Tech Priest the Magos might finally check on TalOS’s circumstances. After all, TalOS was sure this fool is under a bunch of assumptions made by his Adept. >TalOS can help Mars. >The Primarch will, on his own terms. Because Mars be fucked>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.
>>5263813>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.Machine goddammit Mars, stop being a bunch of dumbasses
Hot damn a data war, this is actually cool. Kinda a shame I don't think joining the Martians attempts are the best route for us personally, but this would have been an excellent testing opportunity. >>5263813>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.Let Mars pour on the vinegar, we bring the honey. Or at least, the other alternative.The other alternative being under our direct patronage instead of Mars.If our plan fails, then we will resort to the Martians brute force attack.
>>5263813>>The Primarch will, on his own terms. Because Mars be fucked
>>5263813>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.Repeating the same mistakes ain't gonna be cracking that egg chief.
I do believe Talos could crack that egg, but it isn't going to win over Xana to us. Asides, when we win over Xana to us we want to strengthen that egg shell, in case we ant to make it our secret vault of secret things for Talos and Malcador's eyes only.NO ALPHARIUS' ALLOWED. ESPECIALLY YOU ALPHARIUS.
>>5263843Fine, I'll switch. I do really want to have a sneakytoes look around their datavaults to see what Tech-heresy they were up to before we took their side over the Martians though.
>>5263813>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.Cooperation first. any secrets can be uncovered later.
>>5263851Remember to use geen text and link when you switch
>>5263813>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.
>>5263813>Chad Arch Dominus does war by other means, engages in diplomacy and nerdy hobby technobabbble as gifts.>It is super effective>Xana give summary sloppy seconds of data to virgin data smith>Virgin Datasmith remains in his cope cage and goes away, coping his theories are wrong and irrelevant.
>>5263813#>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.
>>5263813>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.Mars can continue their efforts. But nothing is gonna stop us from making Xana our personal fiefdom
>>5263813>We are here to fix the problem, not make it worse. Data war comes later.
>>5264176Voting for this. Compliance on OUR terms.
>>5264182Gotta greentext for votes to count! That's how QM tallies then easily
Things are looking how I expected, but this post was to confirm that you guys are not being friends with Mars at all.
>>5264266Not until they get of their High horse!Or High Court in this case.It also doesn't help they seem to be paranoid Know-It-All's with a superiority complex.
>>5264266Talos is going on a long journey to essentially become the Machine Pope. The Fabricator General is not merely the leader of his planet, but a position whose influence is dependent upon the entire admech as a whole. If the majority of forge worlds want someone else as Fabricator General of the Admech, you aren't going to be Fabricator General for long.Talos is going to use the vast resources of Lucius and start buying up the electoral votes, starting with Xana. It is inevitable we will not make everyone our friend on our drive to be at the top, some will be enemies. But then, imagine it wasn't as if Kelbor-Hal didn't make enemies on his rise to the top either.
This is also pretty much the same path that Lorgar and Kor-Phaeron took on the route to become the Ecclesiarch of Colchis. Gather up all the surrounding territories and minor churches, and then being the path towards the top.We may end up hating Lorgar one day, but the parallels on the path to becoming the leaders of our congregations will be palpable. Only, where Lorgar united cities, we are uniting forge worlds.
>>5264266It's because they are acting like Rome and the Pope, and TalOS sees things as Patriachs with Pentarchy.It's time for the Great Schism.
>>5264324It would be even better if it ends up like that, even if TaL0S himself never wanted it that way. It was just how things inevitably developed, the Irony would be so sweet Tzeentch would be proud.I mean we already know he has his eye on us, quite literally now it seems.
>>5264266WE'RE MAKING THE MOTHER OF ALL OMELETTES HERE QMCAN'T FRET OVER EVERY EGG>>5264324Does that mean we're also going to end up killing Kelbor-hal? Perhaps he might have a very "unfortunate accident"
>>5264329God no, he is a faithful, knowledgable and old Tech priest, that would be wasting valuable resources.
>>5264329Depends on if you can meet and convince a certain brother.
>>5263813>The Primarch will, on his own terms. Because Mars be fuckedAh my post got swallowed. Right let's rewrite. Polite request to xana IMHO is better approach, and not to completely antagonize the martians.No need to go hackerman when you can just ask and barter like sane people.They get some kind of data and can not bitch that we did not get it. We just did not do it how they would have done it.
>>5264331"he is a faithful, knowledgable and old Tech priest"From what we are currently seeing of Mars, the evidence is not yet compelling.Even if he is so, it is clear his position is not currently sufficient to prevent the rampant corruption and decay of Mars that we are clearly seeing at every interaction with them.More data will need to be collected on Kelbor to ascertain his competency and determine the most efficient course of action. As in any machine, if a cog is faulty or there are inefficiencies, it must be corrected. The Machine God wills it.>>5264334Wondering if money and resources as well as the potential for a more effective Admech are enough to convince Horus. Since he's not yet corrupted by Erebor and likely what he wants is simply to propel his legion and the great crusade. Unless even before Chaos he had ulterior motives than to shine brightest in the eyes of the Emperor.
>>5264269>>5264266They are from sol. Have you ever met many people from a capital who are not mostly annoying to the vast majority of said country?I
>>5264343Oh you're mistaken, but that would make sense for the Primarch I speak of.
>>5263813>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.Fuck no! Hell no! Bitch, get the fuck out of here! There ain't no way in hell that helping Mars fuck over another Forge world is going to help anyone.
>>5264325Partiarchs with a Pentarchy is good, and establishing it may please more forgeworlds. Roboute also did a Tetrarchy for Ultramar.Now just add the fact that Talos is a family man and has a fondness for adoption, and you some interesting opportunities if we decided to go a certain route.Talos seems perfectly willing to subvert the spirit of the Codex, who says he's not also willing to bend some other things to ensure his influence over the admech. I can't say I fully agree with the anon who says Talos couldn't find politics fun. Maybe he hasn't tried it, but when he has a taste, it's like biting into a hot piece of corpsestarch for the first time. You get a good flavor once, and you learn to enjoy it and want more.Then again, that would probably piss off Guilliman if we lean too far into the mustache twirling. There's a fine balance to achieve effective autocracy and encourage competency among subordinates. Perhaps in the end, the best thing to do is get his advice on the way to achieve harmony and control of the admech at large and coordinate with him. He helps us transform the Admech into something to resist a great schism, and we provide him with more resources than even Ultramar could ever dream of.
>>5264372I mean their isn't a codex to subvert yet.Although because we're admec instead of imperial Robert can't enforce the codex on us.
>>5264372I meant it in the sense that it tends to be a lot of hot air and posturing and not enough actual progress. I feel like TaL0S would prefer to optimise things rather than outright rule it, he is like the emperor in that sense.If to assure the mechanicus works to its full or close to full potential he has to first rule it, then that is what he will do.
>>5263813>No, that's how this all started in the first place. TalOS is here to fix it.The datasmith first gives TalOS a scant welcoming and now asks for his help? Just how much are they looking down on the Arch Dominus of Lucius!Once we are on Xana II we should>Counterhack Magos Margin for shit and giggles. Perform a hard reset and routine maintenance of the OS of the gravity generator of their shipBut we WON'T do that next update, riiiiight? wink wink nudge nudge
>>5264433>>5264266Hmm... but this is weird. I indeed enjoy dabbing on Mars, specially because they are trying to bring Lucius and the rest to compliance and subjugation. But they are following their Doctrine by doing so, for Mars is the seat of their temple and every Forge world was colonized by a Mechanicum Ark after all.I do enjoy how things are playing out, mainly because this is great characterization for TalOS to be so inclined to maintain his authority, up to a fault. He is subordinate of Lucius High court but because he LOVES LUCIUS and the relations with other planets such as Dutonis and that hive world have been purely gentle subjugation. We are yet to invade a planet we don't have to EXTERMINATUSSo of course we will enjoy Lucius clashing with Mars and us being a relevant character in the middle of it all, but are we taking it to far? It feels as if TalOS has no love for Mars and that worries me, for the implications but also because it might break the character a little...
>>5264433Only if we deploy one of the ancient data djinn of Terrahttps://youtube.com/watch?v=hiRacdl02w4
>>5264379>we survive the heresy>Robert does his Codex>The Destroyer second legion has 380.094 active brothers and gets aspirants from every forge world there is.
>>5264453I'll admit, same. Things will get weird once we start visting more local Forge Worlds.
>>5263813>>5263988>support
>>5264472Meant loyal. Loyal forge worlds.
>>5264453Ever hear of Martin Luther? I mean religions undergo schisms over disagreements about basic doctrine from time to time even if they agree with the practices, rituals and beliefs as a whole. Maybe not something that happens often in 40k but our world has quite a few examples. I'm just interested in the bigger implications here, were a lynchpin that can change big parts of this whole setting potentially
>>5264502Triggering the schism early could root out some of them and make the big schism less bad.Or worse.Kelbor Hall saw the signs of the impending split, I hope Talos will IC see it and talk to Roboute on how to mitigate it. Maybe not even a Primarch can stop it, or predict when it will happen, but at least to prepare against it.Horus was simply the spark, but the gas was building up there even without him.
>>5264453At the end of the day I think it's simpler than that.Talos might be ready to confess he's also seeking power and control. Sure he believes said power and control is for the greater good of the Mechanicum and the Machine Gods will, but little separates him from Kelbor other than he is a primarch. . .and better than him. . .and later on, not a heretic.But even Guilliman was like that too, he understood that power is best kept in the hands of those who can wield it properly and for the greater good. He did take a bit of a backstep after the heresy, he was in shock. But come 40k he realized that ultimately was a mistake he had it right the first time.Talos is only opposed to Mars imo, because Mars is going to resist his climb to the top. Once we are at the top of the heirarchy, our methods might not necessarily be so different. I do wonder on the nature of Kelbor, was he truly an ambitious schemer from the beginning out for his own ambition or at one point did he truly believe he was doing service to the Machine God. We are both going to agree the Emperor is not the Omnissiah, but unlike Kelbor Talos might not feel that rebellion and civil war is the way to solve the dilemma.
>>5264340Mate, that means that we say fuck mars and engage in info wars ourself.It's the most alienating option of both.>>5264266It's not that we are no friend of mars. It's that Mars is being retarded and we aren't going to be friends with retards.
>>5264613It means we'll have to corral them ourselves
>>5264626Honestly, If Mars ever accuses us of sedition or unwarranted hostility, we can open a book and lay out every slight or grievance that pushed us to our current course.
>>5264635Talos 95 thesis?Hmm, nah. I'd rather we avoid Luther motifs because Luther split the church, not united it.I think what will ideally happen is if any of the native martians accuse us of sedition/hostility, eventually we will just have so many other voices from the various forge worlds Mars is at risk of cutting itself off from the Admech at large and losing everything, so they'll eventually concede.What is Rome and the Papacy, without the rest of the Church? Just a glorified exile camp.
>>5264656Not a Lutherian doctrine, just a catalog of Mars demonstrating their lack of attention and care for their vassal worlds.Give them a long list of issues and force them to justify each and every single one. Then make them justify their position of innocence.If they can do that to our satisfaction, great.If not, we have a shield against their just cause for offence.It isn't a tool of political divide, it is a tool of political defence.
>>5264732Oh i like this and i bet big E is gonna get a weird kick out of the fact that history repeats itself.
>>5264656I don't think you all want to be Luther for there might be Protestant Tech Priests. Better to be an Anti-Pope.
I'm still going to shill the orthodox approach. Merely first among many and all that.
>>5264757Its probably the best and kinda how it was set up during 40k. 30k Mars was top dog and had much more pull.
>>5264757Voice of the masses is certainly a useful position.It's also a demanding one.
>>5264732We can definitely do that.But it should be the frosting on the cake of lining the pockets of all the Admech electors of the Fabricator General Electors of the Holy See of Mars.>>5264757i'm cool with the Orthodox approach as long as we can still include Borgia memes. Talos could strive to be the best binharic orator in the world, but money is what makes the galaxy go round.I mean, we can be the Byzantine/Constantinople Patriarch at its height right?We can be both legitimately a good candidate for Fabricator General with the means to improve the whole structure. . .AND one that readily uses vast resources of Lucius to ensure a secure election. for a safe and secure society.
>>5264772Talos is the type to hedge his bets and account for all probabilities. Of course he wouldnt just rely solely on his own charismatic skill great as it is. Bribes, promises, concessions...all valid cards to be played. We did give the princes entire planets for STCs.Even the gears of the Machine Gods church require a greasing from time to time. Efficiency is the greatest of virtues and supercedes other concerns.
>>5264790>>The Primarch will, on his own terms. Because Mars be fuckedIsn't this one the fuck mars option?>The Primarch will, on his own terms. Because Mars be fucked
>>5263813>The Primarch will, on his own terms. Because Mars be fucked
No, not at all>>5263824>>5263830>>5263835>>5263869>>5263874>>5263988>>5264475>>5264151>>5264160>>5264161>>5264176>>5264220>>5264355>>5264433 - Spicy>>5264690Hack them, independently>>5263832>>5264340>>5264796>>5264807Gotta be honest, thats a lot of people.
>>5264813Your a good writer for this setting and you take us into account as much as you can, that gets engagement up. There's always more lurkers than posters, but sometimes you can draw them out.
>>5264813it occurs to me I probably should have done a write in to explain to the other magos that this course of action is stupidly detrimental to diplomatic efforts.Oh well. Fuck you Mars. Stop being retards.
>>5264867people keep saying we are anti-mars and that's just not true... we are anti-retarded
>>5264894We're also anti-people-who-get-in-our-way.If we were Fabricator General of Mars right now, and Xana was playing dense to us, cracking their defenses is, if it were the most efficient option, something we would have done months ago.Might or might not be the very first option we pick, but an option that if chosen we would do in a mechanical heartbeat. Which is more efficient than a regular heartbeat.
+I will not. I do not plan to worsen the situation any more than you have.+ TalOS declared as he turned about, +If that is all you have then I will be going to the planet.+ TalOS could feel the grins that were hidden behind the mechanical faces of his cohort. They were all waiting for a moment like this and they had witnessed it. As for TalOS himself he was able to make it ten steps towards the doors of the bridge before a declaration was made. +/Recalibrating/.+ The Tech Priest announced in a voice so loud that it caught the attention of TalOS’s group, +/Synopsis Made/ You are not here to assist?+ +That is correct.+ TalOS declared as he turned about and faced the Priest, +I had gotten word that negotiations with Xana and Mars were vulgar so I came to see for myself. You have only proved my hypothesis.+ The sounds of data being transferred roared in the room as the Tech Priest gathered all he could, +Your records state that you did not come from Mars but ‘Lucius’. Datepathy declares that I would have heard from you if you traveled from Mars to Lucius to Xana with the effects of interference. You are not here on the authority of Mars. You have not even stepped upon the blessed red soil!+ +I am here on the authority of the Fabricator General of Lucius. Mars cannot prevent us from traveling to visit fellow Forge Worlds.+ TalOS told the Priest outright as the Acillians began to grow agitated. +You… you seek to subvert my authority! I was given this task by the Fabricator General of Mars! Even if you are a Child of the Omnissiah you must understand that you are subverting a greater authority.+ TalOS turned towards the Magos so that the Priest would see every word that TalOS spoke, +You do not have authority over the military matters of Lucius and a Fabricator General. If you attempt to restrain us from entering Xana II’s sphere with force… I am the Primarch of the Second Legion. You will not have the support of your Fabricator General.+ +You.+ TalOS could hear the systems in the Magos screeching, +You wish to speak to these Hereteks!?+ +Yes, for you have not.+ TalOS said before turning about and walking through the door. The Magos did not do anything as TalOS left. TalOS was sure he was running the chances of war within his head. When TalOS spoke the name of his Legion he was pretty sure the Priest would already realize how futile it would be to fight him on this. TalOS also recognized that this essentially cemented the relationship between Mars and Lucius as a rocky one.
The world of Xana was a desolate planet, TalOS realized. The surface truly was burnt by the punishing radiations that pelted it continuously. TalOS could feel it upon his own skin but data from his Acillians told the Primarch it was much worse for them. Add that with the numerous readings he was getting from the cruiser that approached and TalOS realized that it was a psychic phenomena too. Whatever was upon this planet cursed it to a state of death and decay the likes of which TalOS had yet to see. It was not any better as the shuttle’s doors opened and TalOS was presented with his welcoming party. What he looked upon was not the gene-bred offspring of some insane genetor or the old limbs of mostly mechanical people but instead decay. The procession that came to welcome the Primarch had robes that looked to have been noth days and centuries old. Black cloaks that somehow looked burnt the more TalOS looked upon them. The few pieces of flesh these Priests looked to have been closer to a rotting corpse than anything even the Artisans and Magi of Lucius would have allowed for their own corpus. The metal, which should have shined with fleshly polished oil, was instead darkened to a near blackened steel like no light has touched it. TalOS only had to look at his fellows who were clothed in the Beige and Steel of Lucius. How their more muted colors and prime mechanrites looked like so colorful compared to the Priests that stood before him. TalOS wondered for a moment if these people truly could support Lucius, for it looked like they could barely support themselves. TalOS wondered a moment after about the psychic energies that continued to batter this world. He could only remember the screams and terror that such a place held. It was a bane upon the universe and even the servants of the Machine God were not spared its wrath. Only TalOS, who bore the Blackstone Amulet, was protected. +Welcome, Arch Dominus TalOS of Lucius, to the Sovereign Forge Domain of Xana. I am High Magos Mortear of the Magi and will be your guide to the Fabricator Lord.+ +Lead.+ TalOS told the servant of the Machine God with a firmness in his voice, +I will want to speak to him as soon as I am able.++Understood.+ The High Magos said though to TalOS it sounded like a dead dronning. It wasn’t that he wasn’t alive but that whatever soul was within the man was surely damaged by the bombardment.
The planet’s surface was lit by what TalOS could only describe to be a blackened star. The light was not that like the heart of Lucius or its sun in which both presented the planet with warmth. This one only provided planet damnation of the greatest kind. Looking around the quality of Tech Priests was not even comparable to that of the people. TalOS watched as the workers who farmed the forges all had hunched backs while the Servitors all had their flesh barely hanging on by a thread. The landscape was barely any better for TalOS could easily describe the planet as twisted and mutated. Grand works of Machinery and building were all over the place half finished like the creator of them died in the middle of its creation. There were even the corpses of fleshly slain mutants on the ground, all being cleaned up by the tired out Skitarii that had taken them all out. +We have arrived.+ The Priest said as they entered one of the smaller buildings in the land. It was not any better than the outside. Crooked works of masonry and it lacked the grand stands that were present upon the highest court of Lucius. In the room were five chairs all where all but one was occupied. It was soon filled as the one who guided TalOS assumed his position among them. A Court. That was what TalOS realized they were. But if he was honest they looked to be anything but a court.+Arch Dominus… TalOS… of Lucius.+ The center figure declared as his dimmed mechanical eyes looked upon TalOS, +I, Fabricator Lord Wilmar… welcome you to our system. I… did not… expect your kind to ever grace our soil.+ TalOS pondered to himself for a moment before asking, +Is there a problem with a fellow Forge World landing upon this planet?+ +You… are one who bent the knee… to Mars.+ The Fabricator General declared, +We know… you visited their vessel before… us.+ +I have out of respect for my Overlord.+ TalOS informed them as he gave a small smile, +I did disobey his command coming here though. I will not apologize for these slights in recent times for I am not a part of them today. I am of Lucius, just as you said.+ The Fabricator Lord seemed to take in a heavy breath, +Then you… are Lucius.. today.+ +Thank you for understanding the neuance.+ TalOS told Wilmar as he gave a courteous bow. >Present a gift from Lucius, a personal Project of TalOS. >Talk about the pains of dealing with Mars to raise that companionship. >Right to the point, what's a heretical secret they are trying to hide. TalOS could possibly get them Clemency.
>>5264914Btw, write in are very much welcome here. I've racked my brain for these and I think you guys can generate far better.
>>5264906>>5264894Mars is still the Holy Planet, the Cradle of our Faith, the Mother of the Mechanicum.But it is infested with parasites and malicious users right now and badly needs Talos to get in there and start cleanup.exe. With Administrator privileges.
>>5264914>Present a gift from Lucius, a personal Project of TalOS.> tell them we have detected a psychic phenomena on the planet that causes death and decay. offer them blank tech to nullify or suppress it.
>>5264921> also offer them F.A.G
"+You.+ TalOS could hear the systems in the Magos screeching, +You wish to speak to these Hereteks!?+""+Yes, for you have not.+ "This should be a quote in a book about Talos at somepoint."For he did not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
>>5264914>Offer an observation on their planet, that the warp is harming them terribly.>Then offer a gift of null tech.Establish ourselves as worldly and acute. The gift then, is our offering to alleviate the issues the priests are suffering.From there, we can go down to buissness.I'd suggest starting off with something like>Mars, though it is my overlord, has made many claims of its authority that force me to raise questions. Though anscestoral claims are true, and it Is the progenitor of many of us, they have done little to earn the respect the expect.Or something like that. Build on the basis that they arent living up to their duties as rulers.
>>5264923Fag can wait until they have recognised us.>>5264919But this quite encompasses our feelings. Mars is the holy planet, but the current government isnt living up to its obligations.They are in a word. Retarded.
This is a very delicate matter and one of the more interesting choices, I do believe it warrants at least some of us coming together with an appropriate plan.First and foremost we should conjecture what it is Xana wants, and what we can deduce. It looks bleak and desolate, dreary and dying. . .however we musn't forget that Xana was also rich. Stupendously so, maybe not like Lucius but enough to challenge Mars. It may be that this austere decoration is by their design or intent. Still, if it is not, maybe offferings of resources could be of us.Most of all, we also know they do not want Mars to pry at them. They want their secrets. Talos wants to know their secret too, but we said we were going to do it in a better way than brute forcing them. So what should that better way be? Obviously providing them some incentive but what precisely would the mysterious Magi of Xana want most of all? If Mars is the stick and Lucius is to be the carrot, what should that carrot be?I think part of it should be to offer to keep Xana's secret a secret, even from Mars. Perhaps even to help negotiate a deal where they don't have to reveal themsevles to Mars and get Mars to back off by citing them as compliant to Lucius, and therefore, a matter between Mars and Lucius. We might be overstepping a little bit with Lucius Fabricator General here, but hey, Lucius is so rich and with now two forge worlds Mars will surely have an even harder time trying ot assert its right to Xanas secret.
>>5264933Keeping it a secret from mars is not an option in the capacity of "no".But we can fabricate a lie to then pass with our law and character.I still say keep the offer of null tech as a gift.Spreading this gift benefits us anyway
>>5264936So essentially have a Primarch scrub their systems of anything that could lead to the secret?
>>5264914>Mars has been the stick. Now Lucius can be the carrot>In addition to giving a gift of our project, tell Fabricator General we personally want to invest in a planet that can keep secrets from Mars, we want Xana to be that planet. Not even Stygies will do. It's something we would only trust Xana.>Supplant Horus before he can go in and try to push for the autonomy deal himself, but do it under our terms and try to gain the favor of Xana through incentives(Extrapolation incoming ; if QM wants to fold this into the “heretical secrets” choice so be it, but I’ll elaborate just in case)
>>5264938No, never.Back up the secret, then scrub the trail to the secret. We MUST know what we are covering up, because heresy isnt permissible and likewise, the mechanicum never forgets.But if it isnt that bad, then we can help them devise a lie and help them sell it. Aka "we went in and got these files, because we asked nicely"
>>5264941I mean, you'll defiantly learn it in the process. Question is how do you guys get their trust?
>>5264939#1 We predict that with Xana's military assets, they will successfully hold off Mars. The Imperium can ill afford to wage a civil war on this scale, and soon there will likely be a threat that will achieve thei autonomy they seek.#2 They may ask then, why not just wait it out. That's what we're here for. To help them get an even better deal, sooner, with the voice of not just another forge world but a Primarch. We offer to help them achieve even more favorable terms and faster#3 If they submit themselves to Us/Lucius, we will be able to help keep their secrets. This can come either in the form of saying that by submitting to Lucius Xana has achieved compliance, and letting Lucian diplomats handle it from there (and with two forge worlds sticking together Mars will be even more hard pressed to argue) OR by Talos specifically confuscating/scrubbing the data to prevent Mars from obtaining anything they want. This we can offer, because we know we are better than the datasmith in orbit#4 We also offer ourselves a gift that we intend to practice on Xana, our latest Anti-Warp protection thingamajig (this will be delicate. We can't know if they are already too deep into the warp or perhaps can be pulled back from the brink). #5 However, trust for trust. If we're going to help them keep that secret, they should let us know what it is. We are here to help them. Mars would just demand it and judge them for it, but we are asking it without condoning or condemning. Simply to know so we can be of aid to Xana. Furthermore, we intend to let them help us on our secret projects. #6 Xana is mighty and rich, but perhaps there are still things they could desire from Lucius? This is a desolate system, with few other habitable stars. We have many, many hive worlds which could provide people IF they are willing to also agree to let us make the standards of living here kinda better man. . .Trust cuts both ways, as does keeping secrets. Let us see if we can achieve trust between Xana and Lucius.
>>5264948Offer of aid, a gift of null tech and an understanding of how we intend to conduct buissnes.>>5264950Yeah, trust is a two way street.
>>5264948Would appreciate some feedback on this >>5264950 if there's anything Talos might immediately realize as wrong/deny the action. Or maybe Talos has some insight.I believe Xana will win the data war with or without us. But we can offer to help them win even more, and have the aid of a friendly forge world not a judgmental one. The will of Mars is one of demanded compliance. That is Mars way. We are the way of a Federation united.
>>5264954It could work, I do what to see others.
I see them accepting or rejecting the null tech as what makes or breaks relations with Xana.The worst thing that could be is if the Fabricator General is using a psychic Halo-Device to obtain immortality, which would be anathema to nulltech. We can try to promise him a way to achieve immortality besides heretical alien tech, or a cure (because those things cause some really gnarly hungers and thirsts), but it might not work and his mind is already corrupted.So I really, really, really, really, really, hope they aren't doing that. That they are just secretive because of something else like proscribed time travel technology or captive hrud. Worse comes to worse we may end up go back up to the Maritan and say "yeah I succesfully scouted out the planet to make sure when you breach the defenses they wouldn't try to hide this very heretical thing." But man, that would suck ass. I hope whatever Xana is doing, it's not beyond redemption or purification to the ways of null.
>>5264928maybe we can give them the first chapter of F.A.G as a sort of incentive/trial.
>>5264972No. Stop trying to make other priests accept the Fag.It is a welcome gift AFTER diplomatic ties have been formed.
>>5264914>Present a gift from Lucius, a personal Project of TalOS.The good envoy will always deliver a gift to the host.
>>5264914>Present a gift from Lucius, a personal Project of TalOS.
>>5264933>It looks bleak and desolate, dreary and dying. . .however we musn't forget that Xana was also rich. Stupendously so, maybe not like Lucius but enough to challenge Mars. It may be that this austere decoration is by their design or intent. Still, if it is not, maybe offferings of resources could be of us.This bit is important, as Xana has canonically exhausted it's local resources and is dependent on externally supplied resources to maintain productivity. By integrating them into our supply chain we can increase their throughput and thus their manufacturing capacity, even without implementing the procedural reforms we pushed though on Lucius.
I too hope Xana isn't doing anything beyond redemption. As players we know we cant stop the entire civil war, but if Talos can redeem just one planet from heresy and let their story end in loyalty, that would be worth it. What kind of prophet would he be otherwise?
>>5264974okay but why though? it was created to boost productivity of forge worlds not sharing it is a sin. beside have you never heard of a free trail.
>>5264914>>Present a gift from Lucius, a personal Project of TalOS.Null-tech and raw materials, cleanse the taint and help them rebuild better. (while building rapport and loyalty)
>>5264914>Present a gift from Lucius, a personal Project of TalOS.THE NULL TECH
>>5264984Because we don't yet know if the conditions are right to implement our system here and as a result we can't trust that our methodology wouldn't either fail here or be turned against us, especially until the warp-gloom that turned this planet into such a Dickensian shithole has been firmly dealt with.
>>5264939>>5264950>supportI like this plan, though I think it falls under the gift giving option. If we're going to help them keep their secret, there isnt a need to offer clemency.Maybe something we can say to convince the Xanatites is that while they can wait, they of all people should know the preciousness of time. They dont have to be alone in the galaxy or without allies.
How should we present our gift? Send the black stone fortress here to counter the warp gloom and build pockets free of its influence?
>>5264914>Present a gift from Lucius, a personal Project of TalOSNull tech. Maybe this will inspire them to join us in this new area as well.
>>5264921>>5264923>support
>>5264921>>5264923>Supporting
>>5264939>+1 support
>>5264921>>5264950>SupportingI consider these write-ins mutually inclusive. We're giving a gift of null tech and making a very generous offer.When Horus approached Xana, he offered them power, a chance to flourish rather than be bled dry, freedom of experimentation and freedom from the clutches of Martian dogma. That can be exactly the same sort of deal Talos offers to Xana if they come under our command.Except we will try to bend Xana away from warp tech and towards anti-warp tech.
>>5265057>>5265654I guess it does fit better falling under the gift giving option yeah. Offering clemency would mean submission to Mars, where as we're offering them a way to not have to submit to mars by submitting to us. Nor are we outright accusing them of heresy. And we can be much more generous and offer them more than Mars ever would be willing to.Mars only takes. Lucius gives!
>>5264914>Present a gift from Lucius, a personal Project of TalOS.>write-in: A Null-tech device that protects persons (1-100) from the dangers of Aethyric radiation.These fellows of ours NEED HELP. They are being bombarded by the foulness of the warp, yet stille they continue on. We must do all that we can to rectify this unjust situation, for no one that stubborn and resilient should ever suffer the malign touch and ignoble death that Aethyric radiations brings.
>>5265667Well, forgiveness is something that can still be given. It is something that Lucius/TalOS gives instead of Mars. It's like talking to a Priest, the Priest normally gives absolution while hiding the crime from the rest of the convent. TalOS gives it and cleanses their systems of the crime so that none shall know.
>>5265700Is Talos a good judge of character to know if they want forgiveness and absolution vs material power? It does occur to me we have yet to discuss or try the religion angle instead of the power angle. Maybe this is a good opportunity for Talos to try?But the thing is we don't even know if they have commited a crime or not.
>>5264939>ADDENDUMShall we throw in some religious aspect guys?Maybe appeal to them not merely form a temporal standpoint, but one of our genuine belief in the Machine God. Everyone needs to confess their machine sins. Even the Fabricator General himself. We could offer this fabricator general a chance to confess and obtain absolution by another priest, and swear to him the oath of the protocol of secrecy. Forgiveness without judgement, repentance without reprimand.Maybe we should look past the darkness, and into the light of the Fabricator Generals soul. That could be the spark that ultimately turns this planet away from the path of heresy.
>>5265726Would QM allow that to be added on or would he want us to pick between faith or power?It does seem fitting for Talos as a true prophet to win Xana over by faith where even the holy planet of Mars failed and gave only suspicion. It'd also give us points against Mars to show how where Mars should have been the one to offer spiritual absolution, they failed and would have made an enemy instead.
>>5265734We can do both. To the Mechanicus faith and power are very similar. Why do think the Avatars are Titans?
>>5265738In that case>>5265726>SupportI support the addendum of Talos applying faith and forgiveness to Xana
>>5265726>supportIt would be wrong not to use faith to appeal to them. Offering a confessional might better done in private after the high court meeting.4chan seems to have swallowed up my old post in case this duplicates
>>5265726Sure, I'm willing to >Supportan appeal to faith, but depending on how personal/institutional that is, it may be better to do individually.
>>5265726>+1 support additionWhat sort of tech-priest would we be if we could not offer the machine gods light to even the darkest corner of the galaxy?>>5265797Agreed. Maybe Talos has the force of personality and primarch aura to make a public offer look good, but if he's wise and knows it will be better to do so in private so be it.
>>5265726>support
>>5265734the more faithful you are the larger guns you have to wield for battle!!!
>>5265825A great Dominus of ancient Terra once said, "The Machine God fights on the side with the best artillery".
>>5265835YES BROTHERNO PRISONERSFOR THE MACHINE GOD. DEUS MECHANICUM!!!
Wonder if we're missing anything, anything obvious or something that we'll say "why didn't we think of that"
>>5266229I keep thinking that as well and scratching my head. Is there some hook or thread that's right in front of us and we aren't grabbing.
>>5266242I don't think there's anything besides you guys literally picking them before anyone else. I'm not trying to be sneaky about things unless it's stuff you guys cannot know what's happening.
>>5266242Well, they have a mutant problem going on that might indicate they have a big problem with a mutagenic source. Be that radiation, genetic abnormalities or something fouler, there is something on Xana that is turning the people into mutants.So, you know, that might be something we could help with, since we are a genetor.
>>5266256True, one of the many, many things our mind can help offer to them. Part of the general, "Join me and I will open the floodgates of aid to Xana".
>>5266254>it's stuff you guys cannot know what's happening.Oh yeah, then why do I don't know when is UZ1's period????????????????????????
+As I arrived upon this ship our Machine Spirits detected a disheartening amount of Eatheric Radiation attacking your world.+ TalOS began as he produced a small rod from his robes, +That is the reason I wanted to give you this technology first and foremost. It is disheartening to see a fellow Forge World suffer from what Lucius has began to defeat.+ The ocullars of the Magi around TalOS narrowed as they heard such an explanation. There was a subtle spark of light that went from the Fabricator Lord to a nearby Skitarii. As TalOS would guess, the sickly soldier came forward and took from him the item to bring it to the Council. +The crystal upon the device is something that originated from Lucius’s wars. I have engineered it to be anathema to the presence of the Warp. Activate it and you will feel that I speak truth.+ The Fabricator Lord did not say a thing but instead sent another command to the Skitarii that was holding the item. The Soldier activated the device and suddenly began to stand straighter. TalOS began to hear the movement of information throughout the place and realized it was the hardline communication that the Council shared between one another. The Primarch could get a sense, from that, how impressed they were. +You grant us this… in return for what…?+ The Fabricator Lord asked as his vox caster seemingly gained more life. +It is a gift from Lucius. We can organize several thousands to be shipped here, but we cannot give you all the secrets to their creation unless there is trust.+ TalOS declared as he placed a hand over his heart, +Some of our designs are sensitive, you understand.++Such things… are… understandable.+ The Fabricator Lord declared as he gave a solemn nod, +You wish… to become allies?++Maybe even more than that.+ TalOS declared as he made a wave of his hand, +I will admit at this time Lucius is at war. We are fighting the Mitu Collective for dominance in our sector. While I for sure have the support of my Legion I do not think it is enough. But I know that the era of War is only just that, a finite time. After this era we will have peace and from what I learned this Forge World does indeed have potential. You have feigned Mars off for this long after all.+ +You wish… for us to… join you under Mars… or become vassals to you?+ The Lord Fabricator announced as he gave a solemn sigh, +We… cannot do such a thing. We… have seen… too much.+ Those final words spoken somehow struck a chord with TalOS. It was a cord that allowed him to realize something was there that they shared.
+You fear that what you have seen will bring destruction upon yourselves?+ TalOS asked the group before him, +Horrors that would bring damnation upon all who hear its name?+ The Priests began to look at one another in what TalOS felt was concern. Their internal communications seemed to give TalOS that very feeling though what they were actually saying he had yet to understand. TalOS felt the situation was not going to improve unless he spoke more, +I understand that fighting such a group will change a people. Doubly so if they seem to curse the land in which they failed to claim. I will tell you next though that the Machine God has not abandoned you.+ A cord was struck at that moment as the Fabricator Lord faced TalOS with more attention than ever, +You speak… of an impossibility.+ +The Machine God is the loving God of humanity. Unlike those creatures that possess the ether he truly does protect humanity. Even I myself, I have experienced his care on more than one occasion.+ TalOS stated as he felt out his left bionic arm, +He has yet to abandon you.+ +Can you prove it?+ The High Magi declared as he spoke out.+I stand before you. I, TalOS DAV1S, am a being made by the will of the Machine God through the power of the Emperor of Mankind. I know for a moment’s fact that none of my known brothers could have come to venture to the far eastern part of the galaxy to present their case to you. Before I have yet to set foot upon Mars and any other planet of the Mechanicum, I did upon yours.+ There were surely questions begining for form but TalOS did not allow the Priests a moment to speak them, +I know that the Machine God is willing to grant absolution. They will not however grant it to you through the hands of Mars for they have become warmongers, parasites, and fools upon the Holy Red Planet. Instead we, Lucius, shall give you that chance.+ TalOS stood tall among the Priests as he declared, +Join Lucius and be forgiven for both the crime of cursed knowledge and sins you have commited. Join us, and I shall bring you absolution on behalf of the Machine God.+ The Pries
