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”Ooohhh! Look at this warm fleshbelly! What a PERFECT host for larvals!”
”So much better then cold metal bellies! But alas, it's too small!”
”Much too small- not even close to the size of a calf. This is no delicious mother-whale belly.”
“W-what do you want from me? Please leave me alone.”
”And such a pure and untainted light- exactly why we like whales, isn't that right?”
”Mhmm. Such objective experience, untainted by thought- just being, what a wonderful place to feast! Agonized and living SO long to experience it-”
”Begone, vile worms! Leave my navigator alone. Else, we will burn your flesh as we did your forefathers.”
“K-Kimnan!?”
”Baaah! Not worth the effort. Big talk from an ape!”
”Cyte take you, Jaaxi! All of you! Heheheahaah~”

You are now Eoba Garastra II, the Supreme Ruler of the Hegemony and of the Jaxtian people. For the past fifty odd years, you have led your people. From the hardship of an uprising, caused in no small part by your own actions of slaying the previous Supreme Ruler in self defense, to dealing with an alien threat in the form of the Aannel- the vile space worms who seem to control the galaxy through shady backroom deals and social orchestration.

In response to your action of destroying a nesting colony of the parasite worms by exposing the innards of a space whale to sunlight, their one weakness- as well as killing your last chance to submit to the worms with your own hand- the worms have sworn revenge on you by something they call the Cyte. You ask your diplomatic contacts for any information.

”The Cyte? That's bad. It is as a watchdog for the Aannel; their muscle in this galaxy. Since the worms have no civilization of their own, and can only steal and infest the works of others; the Cyte acts as their insurance. It has been a very long time since anyone has had the Cyte called against them. We'll check our records and ask around for any more information.” Thankfully, your contact in the representative of the Seekers, an anti-worm spiritualist faction in the galaxy, is helping you to uncover more. Until the full details of this threat are revealed, you will have to put off dealing with it for now.

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“I greatly appreciate you meeting me here at this function, your grace.”

”Of course, Galyo. Anything for a friend... And I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with you shopping around for a successor to your position?”

“Oh but I wouldn't dream of it, your majesty. But seriously, there is so much good young talent here.”

”And how goes our special young talent?”

“Oh, erm. It- he is doing very well, your eminence. All behavioral analysis and projections show to your specifications exactly. No loss of innate skill with abstract thought and his talent with computers...”

Galyo Qint, your Science Overseer, wanted to speak with you after the most recent worm incident. During your vow to conquer all star systems in your local cluster, you came across a live space whale in the Drakas system. Both the whale, and the last surviving worm from its belly, ended up as genetic samples in your laboratories.

Of course, the samples will be better when fresh. You want to focus your science budget on studying the samples- but you have to give priority to one. From an alien specimen, you might be able to unlock new genetic codes or technologies from the foreign alien DNA. Which alien species do you want to prioritize?

>Worms
>Whales

oh shit this is back cool
>>5207045
>Worms
know thy enemy and all that, yada yada
whales are cool but I think this is more important right now

>>5207045
>Whales

I feel like the whales have more useful tech that could be assiocated with them.

>>5207045
>>Whales

>>5207045
>Whales

>>5207045
>Whales

We'll get more worm corpses to study soon enough.

>>5207045
>Worms
Knowledge on them and their behaviors and life cycle is crucial

>Wormy Worms

>>5207045
>Whales

>>5207045
>Whales
I don't like the way that girl looks at us.

>>5207045
>Whales
YOOOO IT BACK

>>5207045
>Whales

Potential anti-worm tech would be cool, but there is just so damn much to be gained by studying a planet-sized, fusion-fuelled lifeform.

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You allocate the research efforts towards the Whales. The space whales are gigantic, mind-boggling examples of Xenobiology that will need a lot of research to fully uncover. Already, prospects are good of what the genetic and chemical compositions of the whales could teach you. In short, large scale construction projects, such as bigger ships, are aided, as are longevity projects and fusion power may also be improved in the long term- your grade I fusion reactors are stuck with Tritium for now- though one day a more efficient and common fuel source in the form of Deuterium would be a nice improvement.

Based on early projections; studying the worms may have led you towards biological technologies and material sciences- especially in regards to genetic tampering and mutations. But you shudder to think of the possibilities. They'll still be kicking around in the science community, the samples that is, but for now the whales are the forefront of your advancement.

In fact- one very quick development comes in the form of life extension technology- specifically for Alpha phenotypes. The Alpha Phenontype Jaxtian men have always had a significantly shorter life expectancy for a mulititude of factors; and this included late term death from the GPCS- however this research into the whales and the requirements for life on the extreme large scale has allowed for more effecicent biology for Alpha males. Alpha male Jaxtians now have a life expectancy of one hundred years of age; equal to a normal Jaxtian.

It makes you think of Agori again. You wonder if, had the lower life expectancy of the Alpha not been a problem during his reign, would he have “rushed” to make you into a proper successor? Would the power vacuum never have happened? It's hard to say- but your thoughts are on a different powerful man of the previous generation- the traitorous Ingar. And now his clone, Ingar II.

https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2022/5120724/

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You have concocted a secret plan with your Overseer of Science, Galyo Qint, to create a clone of Ingar. The first Ingar has traits of sadism, arrogance, and anti-social behavior- but at the same time was a genius. His abilities with computers were second to none. If only he had been born one generation later- enough to help you with the Threemind project- your secret long-term empire plan to create a flawless and secure computer to serve the Hegemony. Combined from the sciences of three alien races; Jaxtian, Haazar, and Baalathi- this computer could overwhelm any virus and be incredibly intelligent and powerful. Then again, the only reason you set out on this goal to create a Threemind was because of Ingar seizing control of the Alavis network in the past...

Ingar II will help finish the Threemind project; and he will do it in secrecy. You already had Galyo adjust and modify his behavior- less sadistic and power hungry, but just as anti-social and avoidant. Much too far on the autism spectrum for a Supreme Ruler; but perfect for a recluse. You have just the place for him. Not as a Supreme Ruler successor, nor as a Overseer of Science- but assigned to a very special project.

Due to the unique nature of your quantum entanglement technology- which means computers that can communicate faster then light speed anywhere in the universe- you've decided to set up the perfect nerve center for the threemind- hiding in the clouds of Max, your home system's Argon-rich gas giant. This station is always in low orbit, hidden underneath layers of the gas giant's clouds; a perfect place of isolation. They call it the Crypt.

It's a small station, but has all the argon computers one would need to organize and work on the Threemind. Utterly isolated and closed off- totally secret and unable to communicate with anyone else. It's the perfect location for a dangerous genius to finish the work he should have done when he was alive- he will have everything he needs there for a lifetime. Biological recyclers, oxygen and water scrubbers, exercise equipment, entertainment.... but he'll be utterly and completely alone. For the rest of his natural life.

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It's time... finally time for your revenge. Your righteous revenge. Take that, you little shit!

After the pain he caused the Hegemony- and yourself. After all the setbacks, all the wasted time and resources. All the trouble of shattering the illusion of a secure computing network which once guided your whole society. Now it is time to pay it back. Your clone will do what you should have done, Ingar. He will be the missing piece- the Threemind will one day be complete, and it will all be thanks to the tireless effort of one little clone.

…Can you really do this?

Doubt creeps at you. You realize, of course, that this isn't Ingar you're talking to. It's a near perfect identical clone, sure, but it isn't really him. It's not the real Ingar you're getting back at. It's just a kid. You've built him for this purpose; to serve your interests, but as a punishment for something he never did. You realize that condemning a Jaxtian, an innately social animal, to such a life would be hellish. Even though Ingar II has had genetic modification to make him as socially and romantically avoidant as possible- it's still a very sterile and deprived environment.

Of course, the irony of what you're going to do to Ingar being very similar to what Agori did to you is not lost on you.

But things aren't quite as simple as you'd hope. You can't just... let him go. Putting him out into normal society, with the rest of the Jaxtians, won't end well. People are still scarred by Ingar's memory. The Hegemony has no tolerance for traitors and the vast majority of Jaxtians would have preferred for Ingar to be taken alive so he could be tortured to death for his crimes. Even with the full and complete understanding that his clone is not himself, people still hate Ingar. The other issue is the secrecy and necessity for the project- you need Ingar. You need his genius, you just never had the opportunity to steer it in the right direction. This is your second chance. And the importance of secrecy- this will be the backbone of the entire Threemind. The whole project would be at fault if regular citizens could do what Ingar has to do now. It's just unfair at who has the bear the responsibility for it all. Ingar II.

All that remains of Ingar, the real power hungry traitor, is his skull and his last few remaining items. Locked away all this time, all you can do is powerlessly stare at his lifeless remains. Perhaps he's getting the last laugh; rather then a punishment from beyond the grave. Would you be upset that we're doing this to your clone? Or would you not care in the slightest, Ingar?

I hate you Ingar. But I also need you. And to hate your clone would be wrong. What am I going to do?

>Assign Ingar II to the Crypt
>Put down Ingar II and find another way
>Try to reintroduce Ingar II under a new name and position (Chance of Severe Consequences)
>Other (Write In)

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>>5207581
>Assign Ingar II to the Crypt
the progress of science is ever fueled by the 'tism

>>5207581
>Assign Ingar II to the Crypt, give him some friends and visit him every now and again

I ain't killing the boy, and 'Chance of Severe Consequence' might as well be labeled 'shit idea' instead, because I know for a fact that it will come to pass. I can't condemn a boy to hell though, and if anyone has a better idea on how to ethically keep him working on Threemind, I'm all ears. God, I just hate this idea now. I knew we should've just switched samples with Agori or Talcent.

Why not just uhh...i dont know, NOT make the crypt an isolated hell?

>>5207581
>Other (Write In)
Make him a blonde AI waifu. Not a super-smart one, not one compatible with the Threemind. Just... An impossibly-patient monke Hatsune Miku to have a parasocial relationship with.

>>5207600
>>5207594
Secrecy, lads.

>>5207600
Because the more isolated people are from everyone else, the more control you have over them. Ask any narcissist. Nah, we can just make his life extremely briefly not be a hell whenever he actually produces results, and withdraw positive reinforcement when he starts slacking, in a covert enough way that it'll slip past that giant social retard brain of his.

And then if it works we do it again but with even more Ingar clones. Just dozens of them per generation, each bearing a new and improved set of genetic alterations to make them more productive and cooperative than their predecessor batches, from the labors of whom a smorgasbord of scientific breakthroughs will blossom.

>>5207600
Operational security. Being realpolitik here, sacrificing Ingar to complete Threeminds by his lonesome of a greater net benefit to the Hegemony and it's people, and will be invaluable in the future fights to come, both foreign and domestic. The classic individual/community good dilemma. Clearly the Crypt is the smart choice.

Still doesn't make it the right choice though.

>>5207605
Ooh, support. Seems like a good place to start.

>>5207581

>Assign Ingar II to the Crypt.

He was born for this. 1 Ingar at a time is enough Ingars though. If we make too many, someone might steal one and secrecy would be compromised. We don't need 50 Kriegers running around.

>>5207581
>Assign Ingar II to the Crypt
Care not for the dead, for they no longer matter. Let's get the computer done.

>>5207605

blond waifu is a distraction. Threemind will be his waifu, he needs no other.

>>5207581
>Assign Ingar II to the Crypt
We're almost certainly doing much worse to some innocent Jaxtians for a less good reason, obviously thinking of it as punishing Ingar is retarded but in a purely practical way I think that's fine.
Ingar II is a unique genius and letting contact the outside world is a bad idea.

>>5207612
We could have, like, a couple more. We can keep track of 3 Ingars. Probably.

>>5207616
Why'd you pull the AI vote?

>>5207614
The first blonde waifu would have stopped the first Ingar from going bananas. We're putting this clone in charge of deisgning a replacement for the system which the first Ingar, having lost his goddamn mind over loneliness, sabotaged to hell. If we don't give him SOMETHING, we'll repeat ALL of Agori's mistakes: the mistake she made in designing Eoba II to 'perfect' and punish his abuser, his mistake in not attending to Ingar's obsessive nature and need for romantic companionship, and his mistake in giving him unabated access to a cornerstone of Hegemony security.

>>5207581
>Assign Ingar II to the Crypt
I'm new around here, who is this Ingar and why did you monsters set to punish his innocent clone for what he did?

>>5207626
There are only four prior threads, anon. Read up. They're good, so it's worth it.
>tl;dr
Fine, fine. Ingar was an austic virgin with rage who, denied his waifu fantasy by the Supreme Leader prior to Eoba, reprogrammed our civilization's super AI into one, then attempted to stage a coup, then killed literal billions with a killswitch when we assassinated him.

>>5207626
Failed coup and attempted genocide of our race, if you want the short version of it. It really wasn't about punishing him, but making use of his genius-level abilities to complete an national security interest of the highest magnitude. Had I known we'd be sending to such a hell, I would've advocated to clone Maktana instead.

>>5207618
>We can keep track of 3 Ingars. Probably.

retard. one ingar was enough to cause so much damage, the hegemony was on its knees for a long while. god imagine what three could do

>>5207630
>read up
adhd, sorry
>tl;dr
Did he want a harem or did you just force the guy to be completely maidenless? And did you know about the killswitch, lmao

>>5207605
This could help

>>5207641
>Did he want a harem or did you just force the guy to be completely maidenless?
No, he had an gigantic oneitis with a specific woman he never even talked to who was already married and wanted us to force her to date him.

So instead agori yelled to the entire empire that he had a blonde fetish and he was drowned in several million 'date matches' from randomy blonde women.

>>5207641
>Did he want a harem?
No. People just went "Ingar what the fuck man?" and didn't give him some random girl, who was married or already in a relationship. The exact details are a bit blurry but the girl was already with another man.
>Did you know about the killswitch, lmao
Nope, we wanted to capture him but he said "FUCK YOU" and push the killswitch. We killed him but the killswitch went off and shit went fucky wucky.

>>5207605
also yeah we should probably give him some sort of companionship, as long as we keep an eye on it to make sure he doesn't try hacking it or something.

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>Autistic lonely synthetic person with an artificial intelligence woman
RECITE YOUR BASELINE

>>5207640
>kept under lock and key
>kept apart from each other
>under intense scrutiny
>psychologically manipulated by the greatest minds and algorithms from childhood
How inept do you think the Hegemony is? Have some faith in your country instead of sperging harder.

>>5207697
>How inept do you think the Hegemony is?
Inept enough to continue putting crazed, obsessive, and/or subversive monkes in positions of power.

Gaftar.

Eoba I.

Agori.

Ingar.

Duj Junior.

Eoba II, a little bit.

Yuan'tul.

Plus, in the process we've suffered TWO AI-based catastrophic dangers already.

>>5207705
Yeah but this isn't that though.

>>5207581
>Assign Ingar II to the Crypt
With or without waifubot is fine by me

>>5207724
We couldn't predict or control them. I am not confident we could do with three Ingars.

>>5207770
If we can't do it with 3 we can't do it with 1 because logistically there is no difference

>>5207605
>Support
An AI 'waifu' who can monitor him without him getting modification access to her sound beneficial.

And give him a pet as well. A Nut-thief or similar, something small.

Also, let's see if we can make it his own choice to go inside. He's an autist and probably dislikes socialising anyway; we might be able to get him to see this as a positive. A life of subsidised comfort without having to interact with annoying people, to concentrate on what he likes to do. If he must have a cage, let it be as gilded as we can make it.

>>5207697
Look, I rather just not burn resources in tard wrangling multiple clones of this dude when we can just stick with one and call it a day. I rather not take any more risks than absolutely necessary when it comes to playing with fire like this.

>>5207605
+1 to this, good idea.

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>>5207646
>>5207648
>Pussy
Couldn't you guys just like... clone her? Well, I suppose you didn't know the consequences that not letting the aspie smash would bring.
>We killed him but the killswitch went off and shit went fucky wucky.
Actually, are we talking about a dead man's switch or a killswitch? I got kinda confused myself here.

>>5207697
I get that indoctrination and brainwashing are both unbelievably powerful tools, but if he really is this super fucking genius, then it is very much within the realms of possibility that he will realize things he knows make no sense and attempt to break out of the containment at some point. And considering last time he killed billions just cause he couldn't make his stalker-dream come true, god knows what he'll do when he learns his entire life was a genetically-engineered lie.
What I'm saying is: multiplying that possibility by three is just big fucking stupid.

>>5207805
>Are we talking about a dead man's switch or a killswitch?
Dead man's switch, sorry. Once he activated it, the AI went into overdrive and tried to fuck up literally everything it could get its hands on. Which caused a whole host of issues?
>Couldn't you guys just like...clone her?
We have to deal with the fickle whims of the MC we play acting somewhat out of our control at times, so Agori probably would've gone to humiliate him either way. If that wasn't the case though, yeah, we didn't really have any reason to treat him as a ticking time bomb.

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>>5207791
The risk goes down with successive generations though, as we figure out more and more about how to get this one particular individual to feel and do anything we want, by having the best people on the planet psychologically dissect him over the course of a lifetime.

I think if this one goes well, not doing another batch of him is just plain a waste of potential, in the form of a whole bunch of really brilliant people driving the Hegemony forward, created from nothing but bit of biomass.

>>5207805
He's not Tony Stark left alone in a cave, it's a guy literally genetically modified to be less mentally capable of making trouble and understanding social interactions, under permanent world-class emotional manipulation and surveillance, with zero support and resources with which to get out of the situation he's in. With a killswitch implant if you vote for it. There's just no risk anymore if the situation is approached rationally and diligently, because all bases are coverable.

Anyway, I'm done arguing with brainlets who act based on knee-jerk neanderthalian fear instead of properly making decisions in logical accordance with any reasonable concerns. Congratulations on wearing me down you retards.

>>5207815
>I'm done arguing with brainlets who act based on knee-jerk neanderthalian fear instead of properly making decisions in logical accordance with any reasonable concerns. Congratulations on wearing me down you retards.
Kek. Big words coming from a 4chan poster.
Jokes aside, even if he's 100% safe I find the idea of copypasting the best unit we have available a rather boring fucking thing to do and would vote against it purely because of thatm

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>>5207815

>>5207581
Actually, just to check...

We're just putting this Ingar-clone in charge of the Baalathi-tech section of the Threemind, right? The whole point of the project was to avoid a single point of failure; and we already have the Jaxtian component and the Haazar have been working on their own.

What if we assign people to actually interact and form groups of belonging with Ingar while he works?

>>5207879
Secrecy will be compromised. He also might just... Not like that. We apparently engineered him to be RELATIVELY unsociable.

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So something I think we want to consider is giving the information we have on the Worms to the Esaal. They are a strict military authoritarian government that I feel would react poorly to the machinations of the Worms if they found out how vastly they were being manipulated. We could send them some sort of non-FTL communication and see if we can establish backdoor communications.

Hell it seems like the Esaal peons really crave a war to prove themselves, leaking this info about the Worms could force them to fight against the Cyte.

>>5207581
>>Assign Ingar II to the Crypt
Give him a waifu bot and its all sorted.

>>5208084
Whose to say they dont already know? The hegemony has little contact and are currently on a black list over worm territory, they may even just think it Jaxtian propaganda and will take it worse
They are part of the worm FTL network, an attack on them would destroy their entire infrastructure. Whose to even say they would be able to use blind navigation, it is a spiritually tuned form of FTL navigation as far as weve seen and with how authoritarian the Essal are it feels pretty unlikely theyd be able to "fall in tune", all speculative though I guess, hegemony members can use it despite our atheistic traits so I could be talking out my ass, just since you said something to think about

>CAPTCHA: HAAAM

>>5207581
>Assign Ingar II to the crypt
I support the AI blondie gf
Hope she stays on his platform station long after hes dead and the place is abandoned just for someone to find a crazy tism AI wife

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>>5208084
Second idea, with the threat of the Cyte and our continued absorption of non-Jaxtian races we need to improve our general infantry. With all our advances in genetic engineering, we can make larger more stable indigo Alphas and raise them in a strict environment to create a fanatic caste of impressive warriors. Combine that with some Azurium ally armor and we got some damn killing machines running around to stop any planetary rebellions, invasions or ship boarding actions.

>>5208149
As Agori was fond of noting, in a modern space-age military, Alphas are the LEAST scary kind of Jaxtian.

>>5208156
Agori was a sulky piece of shit who hated himself, a sledgehammer has its uses no matter what, and if we want to put down rebellions without just glassing planets from orbit or defend against invasions we need boots on the ground.

>>5208162
Small, stealthy boots, supporting small, stealthy troops, with big, accurate firearms.

>>5208156
He also helped storm the NFI headquarters and took care of a dissident who would have overpowered one of our 'diminutive Jaxtians with a gun' if he hadn't been there.

>>5208165
Azurium renders most firearms useless, having a big lug who can smash people to bits can be useful.

>>5208149
As awesome as it may sound, Monke Frank Horrigan caste is a bad idea. Why spend resources to make Thunder Warriors that will get upity and are hard to kill when we could make mechs with Azurium coathing?

>>5208192
Because Monke Frank Horrigan is such an awesome idea that the QM might actually help us justify us doing it instead of a bland robot with better materials.

I'd rather blow the military research budget on spaceships, but if a choice is given between which one of those should be our elite infantry? Steroiborg, hands down.

>>5208199
One Monke Frank Horrigan is fine, a squad is manageable enough with kill switches in them, but a whole caste of them is stupidly dangerous. We didn't want to make a caste of navigators, why would we make a caste of hard to kill, armed to the teeth gorillas with a plethora of mental issues?
Besides, Monke Metal Gears are better.

>>5208219
Mechs are cringe, big Monke fits much more with our eugenist theme and is cheaper to support. The Migrators are also directly a caste, a racial caste of navigators.

>>5208224
We just took advantage of the inborn abilities of another species. What we've repeatedly been hesitant to do is to take a subset of our own Jaxtian population unless you count Blue Hazaar and purpose-breed them for a specific, predetermined role.

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>>5208228
Fair enough, I just like bib monkey marines.

On an unrelated note, I would like to point out the third yellow fish-like corpse on the Esaal abduction craft that was operating in our sector of space. I think it implies that the last system we need to colonize will have this species as it's local residents

>>5208228
>disposable schizo xeno uncle tom who doesn't know he's xeno
PERFECT

>>5208224
How about we meet in the middle and make Cyborg Big Monkes with power armor? A squad of monke space marines for black ops and high priority missions. And don't make them a caste, make them infertile tube babies so they can't take over and when they die we could try to salvage their brains and use them for combat simulations while a new squad is being grown.

>>5208237
>Post yfw you realise Bluey is Hazaar Uncle Ruckus

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>>5208246
>pic related

>>5208242
>And don't make them a caste, make them infertile tube babies
Minus the sci-fi elements, Chinese emperors tried this with eunuchs. It didn't work, they just practiced nepotism with their nephews or friends' relatives, instead of their own sons.

>>5208265
https://youtu.be/GpW3qvf42Xs
>this whole exchange but with Bluey and Yuan.
>Instead of nigga he calls him a hussy.

Also, mechs are far less likely to pull a late-period-Han-court on our military.

Haven't we had like TWO AI Crisis already? Why are mechs any more trustworthy than mass-produced super soldiers?

We're all about genetics, right? Just make them loyal and remove their propensity to want more. As long as they're content with turning our enemies into gibs they won't rebel.

>>5208386
>monke spess muhreen
Or
>monke metal gear

I propose something in between: monke Solid Snek with exoskeleton suits. Genetically engineered to be resourceful, precise, and stealthy, and equipped with the best non-invasive augmentation to enhance their base strength. I'd even argue for a monke drop trooper, but surviving a fall from orbit without a STEEL REHN tier cybernetics is impossible, and our monkes don't like cybernetics.

> monkey spaz marine
> monkey solid snek

> why not both?

>>5208527
Actually drop pods should be pretty easy with our plasmatronic technologies.

>>5207867
If you look at the symbol here
>>5207579
It looks like the Haazar computing plus the Argon thing. I'm pretty sure there was a hint about this past thread too, or a similar drawing.

ah yes, autism
glad to see this quest back

>>5207605
+1

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You think about what to do. What to do...

You know you're going to send Ingar to the Crypt, no matter what. Wasting these years of effort and squandering his genius is not going to happen- and sending him out into society is not an option. However, you can't think of a good alternative. The idea of using a companion, in the from of an AI that can support him, is one concept- but ultimately too dangerous. Ingar's new position only works if he's only gained access to one of the three branches of the developing Threemind. To give him an AI of any intelligence and telling him not to modify it is pure naivety. It's like giving a weapon to a warrior and telling them not to use it, or a tool to a mechanic and telling him not to test it...

You have to send Ingar II to the Crypt without a serious companion. AI support and a pet will have to do. You destroy the last of Ingar's belongings and his skull, the last physical link the traitor had to this world. The new Ingar will cease to exist the moment he steps into the Crypt...

”Ingar II.”
“Yes?”

You can tell he's already trying to hurry this conversation along. Like you bother him just for existing around him. That's good.

”I'm here to take you to your new home-”
“The Crypt?”
”Wha- how did you know about that name!? You weren't supposed to hear that name.”
“It was the Enforcers. I overheard them joking about it.”
”Hrmm. Idiots. I need new Enforcers. These ones will be replaced, and have their tongues cut out for their incompetence!”
“Yeah... You need new Enforcers.”

Heh. Classic Ingar.

”Alright- it's time. And you agree to this all? After what was described to you?”
“Of course I do. As you were born for a purpose, so was I. This is my purpose. There is nothing else for me here in this society anyway.”
”Then... let us go. To the Crypt.”

This is the end of Ingar's story.

Though somewhere along the way- you feel as though you may have missed a certain opportunity. Given all you know about Ingar, you figure that there was nothing more you could have done for his clone...

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Over the next five years, you overseer Ingar II's appointment in the Crypt, and continue implementing your scientific findings. But there is something else very pressing you need to attend to during your reign- and something you have been preparing for for a long time. Your vow.

As of yet, you have conquered all but one star system in your local cluster. You promised to take them all- a Jaxtian presence in each system. To make your people a true interstellar empire. This final system is the final stepping stone for it- and even with faster then light travel, this star is far enough away to take some time to reach.

The exploration ship arrives and quickly scans over the system. It has an asteroid belt, three inner planets- and an outer gas giant with twin rings. Its planets are made up of a boiling hot, near-to-the-star lava world, a thick atmosphere planet, and finally a habitable zone planet covered in water. And indeed- it almost certainly contains life. It has many small to medium sized landmasses- a oceanic dominant planet while still being capable of sustaining a land-dwelling civilization.

Even moreso- quick scans show excessive radio waves and energy signals matching a description of not only living things; but of an intelligent, technologically advanced species. The mass of space debris in orbit around the planet only confirm this further- an early space-age civilization! You have to pull in to get a closer look!

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The aliens, who call themselves the Swall, are a species of aliens with amphibious traits. As you see them now; they are industrialized and modernized with cities and mechanical transport, factories, and weapons roughly equivalent to your own historical past. Their society seems to have a military-industrial basis for society, with a democratic selection method for their leadership and state.

Their technology level seems to have advanced to a late industrial age- though amazingly their atmosphere only hints at a tiny amount of greenhouse gas emissions- less then a hundred years worth. That is an incredible speed of development. They are dependent on fossil fuels. There is a mixture of natural and arbitrary borders, crumbing fortifications and lightly staffed military bases between these hint at a presence of nation states- have they already achieved a political unification?

You have the AI aboard the ship quickly gather data and being translation and transcription. The information flows to the captain of the ship at the same time as you.

And they're just.... so damn cute! You love them! Look at how the capitalist and scientist class intentionally they obfuscate the damage their transitional fuels are doing to their ecosystem! Look at how they gerrymander and use bureaucracy to enforce the supremacy of the dominant social-racial group! They're JUST like little Jaxtians. It's so cute! <3

“ATTENTION! ALIEN MENACES!”

Oh?

”This is the Nuclear Sub X-R-Two. We have clearance to use our spears to destroy any hostile, communist alien threats. You are warned to leave this planet and solar system immediately, or else you will be fired on for violating our species's space.”

Nuclear... weapons? Do they actually have nuclear weapon technology? According to Hegemonic doctrine- any species with nuclear weapons has crossed an invisible threshold. They can no longer be considered an intelligent animal species- but a rival empire. That is not good. Under no circumstances can a rival or state be allowed to nuke a Jaxtian ship, planet, or holding. The consequences from such a thing happening would be extremely severe.

However, we are also engaging in first contact. Now would be a good time for some advice on how to handle this, Supreme One.

>Inform the aliens that their Nuclear Weapons put them in danger; they must dismantle them immediately
>Ask to learn more about them and their culture, and introduce yourselves
>Leave as fast as you can and pretend you were never there before they gather evidence of your existence

>>5209148
>"Well, you can certainly try, X-R-Two, but I doubt you want your nation reduced to rubble for the intergalactic equivalent of a spitball."

>Bluff them a bit, ask to learn more about them and their culture, and introduce yourselves- peaceably.

We could warn them that doing it would do literally nothing. Threatening them would be stupid, they'd just get even more angry, but it would be extremely easy to make them think that nuking us would be completely useless.

>>5209154
+1

>>5209148
>"Frankly, using a nuke will probably cause more damage to you than it would for us. Let's take it easy now."
>Bluff them a bit, ask to learn more about them and their culture, and introduce yourselves- peaceably.

>>5209148
>Ask to learn more about them and their culture, and introduce yourselves
But only for nefarious purposes. Fuck these guys.

>>5209167
>Fuck these guys
Please don't, Eoba already got space aids once

>>5209170
I didn't mean it that way but it's probably going to happen anyway; the quest is literally tagged netorare

>>5209146
>To give him an AI of any intelligence and telling him not to modify it is pure naivety.

What if he only has access to the output--a screen with a virtual nanny or waifu, or a hologram, but NOT the console which produces that output?

>>5209148
Jaxtians would find Western Bloc humans cute? Not sure how to feel about this.

>"Frankly, using a nuke will probably cause more damage to you than it would for us. Let's take it easy now."
>Bluff them a bit, ask to learn more about them and their culture, and introduce yourselves- peaceably.
>Flirt, because you're a confirmed xenophile

>>5209204
>Flirt
Eoba's an alienfucker, not gay.

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post yfw Eoba sends them a dick pic regardless of your vote

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>>5209216

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>>5209216
pls not

being silly is a thing, this is too much

>>5209148
>"Frankly, using a nuke will probably cause more damage to you than it would for us. Let's take it easy now."
>Bluff them a bit, ask to learn more about them and their culture, and introduce yourselves- peaceably.

>>5209148
>"Frankly, using a nuke will probably cause more damage to you than it would for us. Let's take it easy now."
>Bluff them a bit, ask to learn more about them and their culture, and introduce yourselves peacefully.
>>5209174
...what.

>>5209228
>what
Last thread, bananas had eoba fuck the wife of the chief native after beating him in a fight. We didn't even vote for it, he just did it.

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>>5209238
did she protest?

>>5209238
Some people did vote for it, didn't they?

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Gonna break character here for a second- I was really hoping taking a month long break would put a simmer on the NTR meme from last thread. I'd appreciate not having another 50+ reply derail about it again. Thank you.

>>5209257
Fine, I'll stop shitposting about it. Even though it's fun.

>>5209257
You dug your own grave with that mate. Don't fuel the fire and it will fade out.

>>5209213
You think they have no women?

>>5209238
There was no majority for cucking the chieftain, but there was a majority on a prior vote in favour of having sex with SOME green woman, and a slim (but enthusiastic) plurality who wanted it to be the chieftain's wife or daughter.

>>5209257
I'll drop the subject, but it'll probably remain a simmering undercurrent until we switch to the next Supreme Ruler. That said, I don't believe you did anything wrong or undemocratic there. You just editorialized the vote a little bit in a funny, character-establishing way.

>>5209257
Well, that's kind of what happens when you touch that subject. It'll fade out when eoba dies, i'm guessing, since no one seemed to talk about vul's business after he bit the bullet.

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>>5209257
>another 50+ reply derail
>>another
what the fucking hell

>>5209146
so no more ingar clones? could have been useful

>>5209248
It was her idea

>>5209146
Waaaaiiit... darnit. Did we just miss a chance to have this new Ingar get any Alvais 'rogue' elements still in the star system to stand down?

>>5209148
Third option's a non-starter, they contacted us so they know we're here.

And 'disarm yourself to make yourselves vulnerable to us' isn't going to play well.

So i'll support
>>5209164

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>>5209257
>>5209332
goddamn BQM

>>5209226
+1

>Let's show interest in their goverment and culture, and after a while, warm them of how extremely dangerous it is to threaten other civilizations with nuclear weapons at the first sign of their presence.

>>5209148
>Inform the aliens that their Nuclear Weapons put them in danger; they must dismantle them immediately

This is gonna be our first planetary invasion! TIME FOR WAR!

>>5209164
+1

>>5209146
>This is the end of Ingar's story.
Well that's a bit of a shame, I was honestly hoping for more of a redemption arc for him, maybe with a real waifu this time.

>Though somewhere along the way- you feel as though you may have missed a certain opportunity.
Yea, I can't really let that slide. The moment you put 'Chance of Severe Consequences' in that option, you essentially soft-nuked it from consideration. Please don't say that we missed an opportunity when you yourself poisoned that well, I would've voted for the option that broke the cycle of clone child abuse simply because I would've thought it IC to do.

>>5209148
>Inform the aliens that their Nuclear Weapons put them in danger; they must dismantle them immediately
>Ask to learn more about them and their culture, and introduce yourselves

>>5209170
>>5209174
Keep seething. And that'll be my last shitpost on this subject, outta respect for the QM's wish to move on from that bit of autism.

>>5209537
Good Monke Jesus, the irony of accusing people with the seethe in that very post baffles me.

>>5209537
In cases like this, the "best" option is rarely one of the ones actually presented and requires creativity from the players. There are likely clues we missed on finding the "best" ending for Ingar II here.

>>5209551
Monke Moses disagrees!

Dat M&M thou...

>>5209561
How do you figure that?

>>5209600
The best example is with the last thread and our choice of how to make Navigators. The choices presented to use were:
>Recruit willing volunteers to be blinded and trained to be able to "See" in Hyperspace
>Create a new genetic caste of blind-from-birth indigos specifically raised for Starsight
>Do nothing and hope the Threemind computer can handle it in the future
>Other (Write In)

We ended up choosing to use Migrators as our Navigators which BananasQM directly stated in response:

"You feel very strongly that for your ingenuity and knowledge of the Hegemony's assets, you have made the correct and most efficient choice."

Which you can compare to

"Though somewhere along the way- you feel as though you may have missed a certain opportunity."

We as players missed information that could have been utilized to get a better outcome without the need to gamble on the chance of severe consequences action. I'm sure at the end of the thread BananasQM will give us an idea what hint we missed.

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>>5209618
Now that I look back over everything I believe >>5207805 this anon was righting with suggesting we could clone the female that OG Ingar was obsessed with. As you can see in the picture of personal items that survived the OG Ingar there is a piece of fur from that female that we could have used to clone. I think that would have given us a better ending for him and a potential supreme candidate in the future. However, after our choice, we burned all the items so there is no going back to fix this.

>>5209625
The problem with that idea is that it would have taken too long, no? That Ingar was already grown up.

Last time i checked, we don't have ultra-fast clones. We still have to raise our people from birth, and unless we wanted to wait nearly two decades to give him his blonde waifu, it wouldn't have worked.

>>5209632
He is a child now he wouldn't need her right away anyways. I sincerely believe based on the information given and the hint within the artwork that it would have been the best result. Once she was a reasonable age we could send her in as a companion. Alas we missed the oppurtuntiy.

>>5209625
>However, after our choice, we burned all the items so there is no going back to fix this.

Can't we attempt it? I know we only missed the clue by an update, but there something deeply unsettling about leaving Ingar forever alone that I just want to rectify. It doesn't have to be a sad ending.

>>5209637
>he's a child
He's not a child, as he's being sent to the crypt, which means he's old enough to work. Think of it in terms of ages, we'd have to wait until she developed to maturity, that's anywhere from 16-20 years, depending on how monke biology works.

>>5209647
Well, that's the thing, we voted to give him some fake AI waifu, but apparently that wasn't allowed.

>>5209649
It's starting to make me a bit depressed now

>>5209661
It doesn't even make sense, honestly. Why would giving him access to an basic personality waifu somehow break his secrecy? What does having his own Joi have to do with his project?

Artificial Intelligences are not created equally. Giving him a front-end only artificial companion would give him the support he needs. Fuck, we could even have made it an copy of the Blonde Woman without needing to raise an waifu clone.

>>5209667
He is an artificial intelligence genius, any form of AI in his hands is a weapon of mass destruction.

>>5209679
How is a waifu any worse than giving him access to developing the fucking Threemind?

That's like if you refused to give a person who was working on a fucking nuclear bomb access to a bang snap

>>5209679
Do you not understand the concept of a monitor? We're not giving him access to the source code dude, they just speak to each other. Do you think programming works through fucking telepathy?

>>5209685 >>5209692

The Threemind is based on three different types of computer systems Jaxtian, Hazaari and Balathi. Ingar II has only ever been given access to Hazaari computers which are based on Argon. Any type of AI companion would be based on Jaxtian computers and with his extreme genius IQ when it comes to computers he will without a doubt hack and control the AI eventually giving him access to two of the types of computers needed for the threemind. We all saw what Ingar was able to do with our old AI system and how he almost destroyed the Hegemony, we want to avoid that at all costs so giving him access to a Jaxtian AI is a no-go.

>>5209667
I'm just getting sadder that we missed it. I thought it was a badge, not a lock of hair. Had I figured it, I would've been all over cloning golden waifu.

>>5209701
How do you think he is physically going to gain access to a computer the glowies who have him under 24/7 surveillance don't want him to gain access to? Turn invincible by programming the nonelectronic fiber of his clothing? Use his sultry C++ powers to make wires levitate and establish connections like a sci-fi snake charmer? He's so good at code so systems he can't touch automatically warp to accommodate his needs? How the fuck do you think he's actually doing the programming in this scenario in which we don't want him to program that one thing and have literally all the power in the world to prevent him from doing it?

Christ, you're as autistic as he is. Too bad it didn't come with any of the genius though, goddamn.

>>5209708
> The idea of using a companion, in the form of an AI that can support him, is one concept- but ultimately too dangerous. Ingar's new position only works if he's only gained access to one of the three branches of the developing Threemind. To give him an AI of any intelligence and telling him not to modify it is pure naivety. It's like giving a weapon to a warrior and telling them not to use it, or a tool to a mechanic and telling him not to test it..

This is directly addressed in the post by BananasQm

>>5209725
I would have preferred the cloned waifu anyway. ;_;

>>5209725
Well, that doesn't make sense, though, does it? We're not giving him an AI. How is he going to modify a front end? It isn't any more dangerous than letting him develop the threemind at all.

>>5209739
I think I kinda get it if it's meant to be about fucking with his mentality. It would agitate his brain too much and he'd have a buncha tismfits that get in the way of his work, making it counterproductive in the end.

In other words, it's an argument I was too retarded not to skim over but one this other guy was also too retarded to make. We're all a buncha tards over here, apparently.

>>5209725
see
>>5209204
>What if he only has access to the output--a screen with a virtual nanny or waifu, or a hologram, but NOT the console which produces that output?

I am a little sad that my (I think fairly clever) write-in got vetoed, yeah

>>5209749
How would it agitate him? I see no reason why a solely frontend AI Waifu would be worse than complete isolation.

>>5209754
Because he's been trained from birth to modify AI. It's literally all he exists to do. Then we dangle an AI in front of him and don't let him modify it. Wouldn't it be just a giant "fuck you"? The guy knows how AIs work so well that he'd mentally dissect that thing and every single interaction it attempts with him anyway.

It would have been a great idea if it were anyone on the planet other than Ingar specifically.

>>5209760
It aint exactly the same thing, is it? Again, giving him a front-end companion is no more dangerous than this entire endeavour.

>>5209764
I'm not saying it's dangerous, I'm saying it's less helpful than giving him nothing at all.

Do you just not want to get it?

>>5209257
kek this is 4chan. and this is a slow board. What did you expect?

Also I love your quest

>>5209148
>>Ask to learn more about them and their culture, and introduce yourselves

>>5209765
I'd say complete isolation is worse.

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The Swall commander sends you a (very likely whitewashed) version of their history and biological information; excluding any genetic information, of course. In return, you send them a Hegemonic introductory video; one that is intended for new species about to become a subjugate species.

They are a sexually reproductive race of bipeds; and are indeed amphibious. It seemed at some point in their evolution, being able to remain in both land and water was incredibly beneficial, and they have retained that ability even now, being able to breathe air as well as filter water through their gills. On a planet with such a wide tropical band and so many island habitats, it makes sense to be able to move between both. The Swall developed on their home planet of Swallia, which is a very comfortable and nice planet for most life forms. Not as fecund as Vetuck II, but a huge degree of biodiversity and the climate makes this place teeming with highly evolved and niched life forms.

Their sexes lack the dimorphism of Jaxtians and Vetuck aliens; their females lack secondary sexual characteristics such as breasts- as they are not mammals. However, they still have a very strong k-selection strategy; as their females put almost all of their bodily resources into an egg, which is watched after by both parents in a strong bonding ritual before the child is born. This, in combination with their constant need to adapt to two totally different habitats, lead to an incredible development of the brain and their intelligence.

In fact; even cursory tests of their intelligence between your races indicates that the Swall can be significantly more intelligent then a Jaxtian. Due to your species eugenic progress, the average Jaxtian is still a bit ahead of the average Swall- but their geniuses are more then a match for your own. This information is not told to you by the Swall themselves- so it is not a bluff. It is apparent from studying the data; their people developed the combustion engine something like five times in total isolation from each other. The past one hundred years of industrial progress from early industrial revolution to the early computer age is more then proof enough.

Their most modern history also shows signs of their strenght- it seems the few remaining nation states on the planet after many years of war and conquest were able to break the MAD stalemate by putting aside their differences and combining forces; possibly to deal with the threat of aliens. Who they also correctly predicted to be common, due to where they are located in your galaxy- and they are currently forming their polity and experimenting with a moon mission to one of their homeworld's two moons. There are living members of this species who grew up in houses which did not have electricity or running water.

It is, perhaps, very fortunate you ran into them while you had a head start.

“...See, I picked ya right! You're space commies!”

”The Hegemony isn't communist. Perhaps you could call us a non-militarized fascist state, though perhaps a Syncretic Command-Economy might be a more apt descriptor, since you focus so much on economic planning instead of ideology to describe governments-”

“Enough! That right there is a BUNCH of commie mumbo jumbo! You're a pinko FUZZBALL! You won't enslave us with your colonialist honeyed lies. Our nuclear weapons remain armed, as promised!”

”"Frankly, using a nuke will probably cause more damage to you than it would for..."

You can't force the words out. There's something here you can't overcome. You were sharing culture and histories- and they retained their stance. The cultural and ingrained trauma of nuclear war... it's too deep. It's peeling at the scab. You can't joke or bluff nuclear weaponry.

You are a Jaxtian and you absolutely cannot tolerate the threat of nuclear war.

The Essal almost certainly have nuclear weapons. They're a geopolitical equal. The Seekers are allied. The Swall are weaker then you. At some point, you will absolutely need to disarm their nuclear arsenal. You can't simply allow them to exist in Swall control while they are a neighboring power. The Jaxtian-primate is too risk averse. They must be disarmed, or destroyed. It doesn't have to happen now, but you can't just... let them exist like this. If they nuke you, even just one ship or colony, even just as a gesture, the consequences would be extremely severe. Maybe not for your people, but for someone, there would be hell to pay.

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Further complication comes in the form of their society- this isn't just a backwater. This is an intelligent alien species, unified, self-interested, and belligerent. The Migrators were barely animals. The Vetuck are a few millennia behind yourself in technology. The Haazar came to you, and the Baalathi asked for it. But this is an independent alien species-state. To force them to your will is conquest- intentional and bloody. Of course, the Hegemony has no issue with that. Using ones power to acquire more power is both righteous and morally good- all of the power you can gather for the Hegemony means it isn't in the hands of someone worse then you.

The truth is that the Swall are smart. They know that if they decide to start a war with you, they will lose. The question is, how much are they going to destroy in the process? They can make themselves a mad dog- too costly and dangerous to bring down. In an ultimate show of defiance, they could nuke their own planet to deny you the conquest of a rich habitable world. They would understand game theory- they're in the losing sign of the conflict. Collectively, they could decide to make you pay up the difference.

Your decision now is very important. You have to push them hard, but not too hard. They don't know your trauma with nuclear weapons, and you have that small advantage over them.

It is very unfortunate that this is the final system in your local cluster. You cannot simply build an embassy with the Swall with a few dozen Jaxtians and claim the job done. You need an intentional, independent Hegemony controlled colony or planet here to complete your vow. To do so means encroaching on the Swall's “gods given” territory, if one could even consider them as having such a thing.

So now it comes down to your gut. You will either become an imperialist, or break your vow. And if you do become an imperialist, you will have the threat of a nuclear attack. What are you going to do?

>Convince the Swall that they need to disarm and peacefully submit to Hegemonic rule (Leads to another choice)
>Prepare secret full scale invasion force and come back for a full conquest
>Create a stealthy remote colony in the system that the Swall won't be able to reach or detect
>Respect their autonomy and leave the system alone- failing to complete your vow.

>>5209807
It would be foolish to allow them to advance. They'll catch up too quickly...but conquering them directly? They'd just nuke their own planet.

Maybe we could find a way to neutralize their nukes?

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>>5209807
>Prepare secret full scale invasion force and come back for a full conquest


FORGED BY HOLOCAUST,
TAKE BACK WHAT WE LOST,
WHITE KNIFE TO KILL A WAYWARD FRIEND
BLACK KNIFE, HONORED FOE TO END
MASK OF DEATH, INVINCIBLE!
AKULE- THE UNSPEAKABLE!

A nuclear threat to the Hegemony cannot be allowed to exist

>>5209814
I mean they're pre-space nukes, right? Just find a way to locate their silos and throw some bunker busters. Or take'em over, who knows.

>>5209807
>Create a stealthy remote colony
>Convince the Swall (focus on the no nukes part, show them the horrors of nuclear apocalypse, acknowledge that they're smart, perhaps also hint at other nations that would rather nuke them to oblivion (wink wink Esaal wink))

>>5209807
>Prepare secret full scale invasion force and come back for a full conquest
In preparation for this initial assault...
>Find a way to locate their silos and throw some bunker busters

>>5209807
>Convince the Swall that they need to disarm and peacefully submit to Hegemonic rule (Leads to another choice)
Boots on the ground is *not* going to end well. Even with a decisive technological advantage, they are too smart to not inflict devastating casualties, and they can use tactical nukes besides. Creating a stealth colony only gives them time to tech up and make the problem worse; they need to be dealt with. I don't know how you can read "You have to push them hard, but not too hard" and then think a full scale invasion is the correct choice here.

Personally I would like to put some ships in orbit, aim at cities and critical infrastructure, and say "Submit or you don't get to have society anymore." If they say no, we destroy power generation, data servers, important looking buildings, and of course any nuclear silos we can see, and cripple their society back to the stone age, and we don't have to worry about them catching up any time soon. Then we could set up an outpost somewhere in the system that can monitor them. Of course, if they say yes, that works too.

>>5209823
>Support

>>5209823
Hm, not bad. I can support this specific approach.
Changing my vote from>>5209821 to
>Find a way to locate their silos and throw some bunker busters
Then:
>put some ships in orbit, aim at cities and critical infrastructure, and say "Submit or you don't get to have society anymore." If they say no, we destroy power generation, data servers, important looking buildings, and of course any nuclear silos we can see, and cripple their society back to the stone age, and we don't have to worry about them catching up any time soon.

>>5209823
They have surface to orbit nukes, that is not gonna work

>>5209807
>Convince the Swall that they need to disarm and peacefully submit to Hegemonic rule (Leads to another choice)
Without trying to nuke them from orbit, if they try to use nuclear weapons on us then I'm 70% sure that we will be forced to xenocide them.

>>5209831
We don't know that they do, and even if they did, just them launching does not mean they are guaranteed to hit, and they might not have many of them or they might not be very fast. However, they definitely will have capability to nuke ground troops, and finding *all* of their nukes is going to be difficult without either securing some degree of cooperation or otherwise eliminating their ability to resist.

>>5209807
>Create a stealthy remote colony in the system that the Swall won't be able to reach or detect
To fulfill the letter of the vow for now

If we prioritize Threeminds we can probably hack the everliving shit out of them before they catch up to our level of AI sophistication

I like how not even one person has a problem with enslaving and conquering an alien species just minding their business lol

>>5209807
>Convince the Swall that they need to disarm and peacefully submit to Hegemonic rule (Leads to another choice)

>>5209807
>>Prepare secret full scale invasion force and come back for a full conquest

>>5209618
>>5209600
BQM's style is to seed clues throughout updates that lead to optimal choices. Now you may argue that this clue was too vague, but BQM doesn't "cheat"

There was a space battle where we had to remember what certain enemy ships looked like and what they did, yeah it was a deep dive but it was still an open book test.

>>5209625
Wouldnt cloning someone with the specific purpose of being someone's companion be abusive as fuck? I actually agree and think this was the "right" answer, but I disagree with the idea that clone child abuse would be made better with more clone child abuse.

>>5209920
By our human morals yes, by the morals of the Hegemony no. By the "right" answer I merely mean that it would have given the Hegemony the most benifit in the future.

>>5209807
They are capitalist. Can't we just buy some territory from them? A moon or colony perhaps?

>>5209807
Also if they are a democracy there are proven methods of undermining those. Rigged elections, digital propaganda, funding dissident groups. We could probably just fish google whoever in their society has the most power than is conductive to our philosophy and then secretly give them money, technology and/or resources until they begin to dominate the Swall planet.

Think of how imperialism works in modern-day nations. Outright force is seldom used, and when it does it is usually costly and often backfires (Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Afghanistan again, Ukraine)

But with the power of money, technology and promising military force against the enemies of those in power, pretty much every "third world" country in the world is in someway subservient to one or more major powers.

I don't care how "anti-commie" they are. There is someone on that planet we can buy the cooperation of. We just do that until our regime change takes root.

Let us do a Monke Operation Ajax.

>>5209929
Would Cold War America let the Soviets, or SCARY SPACE SOVIETS, just buy up some of the western seaboard?

>>5209936
This is better, but also remember: we need to have a permanent colony here in our current Supreme's lifetime or doom his memory to shame.

>>5209807
>Prepare secret full scale invasion force and come back for a full conquest

Operation Monkey Nuts is a go

>>5209807
>Convince the Swall that they need to disarm and peacefully submit to Hegemonic rule (Leads to another choice)
>Create a stealthy remote colony in the system that the Swall won't be able to reach or detect

>>5209919
I don't know, the majority vote was for a waifu of some form, of which we were soft-locked out without any time to process and try to think of another option. I don't think that's necessarily 'fair', even if I think he didn't necessarily cheat us intentionally.

>>5209920
Probably not, but it may have led to a somewhat happier ending.

>>5209942
We could probably set up a secret colony and have it manipulate Swalli politics from behind the scenes until enough regimes have been changed and laws have been passed for the Swall to agree to let us have some territory.

They're not even fully politically unified so it should be a bit easier

>>5209945
How long would that take?

How much might they advance in that time, being superintelligent relative to us? They went from early industrial revolution to a semi-unified society entering the space age in about 100 years.

Perhaps most importantly to Eoba, will he live to see Jaxtian settlement in this solar system if we take this slow and subversive path?

>>5209961
We don't have the data but I think it is doable within a decade or so.

Especially if we can make that hyper-advanced fish brains work FOR us.


If anything we may be able to accelerate the same political forces that led to the Hegemony forming, maybe without the nuclear holocaust.

>>5209807
>Convince the Swall that they need to disarm and peacefully submit to Hegemonic rule (Leads to another choice)

>>5209936
While an interesting perspective, you forget that our resources, manpower, and technology vastly superior to these fishmen, as well as a certain lack of morality on our part and lack of near peer rival to support, train, and arm them. It can be argued that recent imperialist wars were far more restrained in their use of force, and often these wars were unique and complex themselves. I think the more appropriate example would be the British and Zulu wars, or the American and Indians wars.

This isn't a vote to support such a conflict, only that it may be inevitable. I'd much rather assimilate them peaceably, partially because Eoba likes the IC. Maybe something like >>5209945 would be nice.

>>5209936
We legitimately do not have time to spend generations undermining the Swall, we need to complete our vows or be branded a failure forever. Not to mention how smart these creatures are, they are a threat that we need to eliminate.

>>5209968
>>5209976

We have the resources manpower and technology to take over the planet, but not in a way that isn't massively phyric. We go in guns blazing we "win" a nuclear wasteland.

>>5209976
They are a multi-nation planet with similar lifetimes as us. Statistically, within 5 years, we will have opportunities to take control of several of their governments.

Within ten years I strongly feel like we will be in a place that when we "ask" again, we can get a much more favorable deal on our end.

>>5209978
They have a single planetary government and winning a nuclear wasteland is better than having a neighbor who is a nuclear power that is ideologically opposed to us. As a culture, we cannot tolerate a nuclear power near us and if they threaten us again we are mandated by this to likely perform a complete xenocide. The cost of resources needed to conquer them militarily right now will be far less than it will be in the future if we let them build up. We will not be able to subvert an antagonistic civilization within five to ten years.

>>5209978
Hey, I don't want conflict. But just because I don't want conflict doesn't make it inevitable.

>>5209980
Not complete genocide. Their genetics is valuable to us, I'd like to avoid complete extermination. Just commit a Bronze-era or Dark Age collapse, it will take time for them to recover.

>>5209980
I just reread and I see a key bit I think we both missed.

>They are currently forming their polity
The unification is recent , the ink isn't just wet it's not out the pen yet.

The negotiations are always the most fragile and volitile parts of any social upheaval. Look at Gran Colombia, the Articles of Confederation, the 2004 Afghanistan constitution, or all the stops and starts that led to the modern EU.

We have several different powerful nations that were enemies until relatively recently, all banding together just to hate out Xenos.

The unified Swalli government probably doesn't even exist or if it is, it is a loose alignment that exists for numerous political and wealth classes to reconcile all their interests.

I highly suggest we embed Hegemon assess as deeply as is practical in the nation building process and have it turn towards our goals.

We plant the seed and then harvest the fruit.

Eoba my my count should have at least ten years left in him.

The moment he starts feeling he may die or retire soon, he pops the cork and requests the new Hegemonied regime to deal with us.

Alternatively we can deliberately sabotage the state building process to keep the Swalli divided and week.

Or we can do a mix of them.

Either way I firmly believe going full CIA here is our best chance at claiming a world in this system.

>>5209807
>>Convince the Swall that they need to disarm and peacefully submit to Hegemonic rule (Leads to another choice)

>Start preparing a full scale invasion force for if we are unable to convince them of the peaceful method.

Also, what if their 'alien' fears are not just assumed paranoia but a result of the Esaal abduction-visit? If even one of their living people saw even one of the Esaal during their mission we might be able to turn the generic fear of 'aliens' into a specific fear of the Esaal - and then convince the Swall that only we are local and strong enough to prevent the Esaal from launching whatever plans they have.

>>5210041
+1, seems like the best choice for now.

>>5209920
>cloning someone with the specific purpose of being someone's companion abusive as fuck
and what we're doing to Ingar isn't? This whole quest is a goddamn warcrimefest.
Besides, if you raised her together with him, they would naturally become interested in each other. It is intentionally limiting their potential through manipulation, but it's not necessarily going to impact either of them in a negative way if you do things right. Quite the opposite really, as they would have a much stronger bond with each other than most couples do.

>>5209807
>>Prepare secret full scale invasion force and come back for a full conquest

>You have to push them hard, but not too hard
Hello? Guys? Full Scale Invasion is the "obviously wrong" multiple choice answer here, how is it this popular?

>>5210146
They're correctly roleplaying as a non-chad cum-for-brains alpha.

Or the quest is really popular now and therefore attracts low-effort players more than when it had a smaller audience. It's just a trick of perspective how you want to see it, really.

>>5210159
well if that's the case, then I really hate to say it, but I hope these prompts get a bit easier to compensate

>>5210146
Tallying the votes, it looks like convincing disarming and submission is currently winning as the first-choice option

>>5210163
Ehh. Losing is !fun!

>>5209807
>>Prepare secret full scale invasion force and come back for a full conquest

Come on folks, playing as the aliens from XCOM is fun

>>5210041
This. We can buy their favor with outdated weapons that while no threat to us, will be super advanced to them.

This is a late stage capitalist society and we have six planets worth of reasources.

Some campaign donations here, some patentable tech there, we can have the fish eating out of our hands.

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Once we ply them with cash and tech we can offer something like this

>You receive
Promised defence from any hostile aliens
Training in modern space warfare
Advanced (from their pov) technology

>We receive
Nuclear disarmament(as the more advanced Hegemony military is a better deterrent)
A planet in their system to establish a base

Basically I want to Portugal these folks.

Hell we could even promise to help them clamp down on dissidents to their New World Government.

>>5209807
>>Prepare secret full scale invasion force and come back for a full conquest
VICTORY TO THE HEGEMONY

The main reason I want an invasion is to provide Jaxtians valuable lessons in conquering and subjugating planets. Our army has not seen this kind of heavy combat and it's time we put it to the test.

>>5210412
Support, we need friendly subjects, not thorns in our side like the Red Hazzar and Yuan.

>>5210461
Considering these are semi-aquatics, I'd rather incorporate them. Fighting them on their home turf is going to be a drain on our resources and a bitch to deal with, along with a hyper-intelligent insurgency? War is a folly, we're already dealing with with two extreme crisis already with the Clyde and Yuan, we don't need a determined intelligent insurgency on top of all this.

>>5210412
>+1
>>5210480
To be fair, we only need to make their world unlivable while we make an outpost on another body and wait for them to die after which we can mine their world for resources. Disrupt their ability to reach beyond their surface with repetead orbital bombardment and set up mirrors in the orbit to focus and reflect the sunlight back to their planet, you know what they say about frogs, you have to cook them slowly. We are pressed by time however with Yuan and the Worms and everything else so its better to just integrate them quickly and subvert them.

>>5210494
We could completely genocide them, I agree. I want their genetics though, higher natural intelligence and the ability to breath and exist under water would be extremely useful to us.

>>5210505
That's even easier. EMP their energy grid so that their communications go down, gass their population centers, land with armored forces to kill the folks that survived, collect the corpses and preferably whoever survived, clone them and profit. we can do this for both big cities and small villiges.
We either go diplomatic or do a xenocide, no inbetween.

>>5210521
You forgot that they have nukes, mate.

If we want to take them out, we should scan their planet to find their nuke locations and them bunker buster them, or find a way to shut them down.

>>5210533
This is why, in this scenario, we would use electromagnetic pulses, likely originating from our own nuke detonating high above them, to knock out their communications, after which we gass and kidnap isolated villages.
Considering the actual course we will take, I think we should minimise our impact in their economy as much as possible so that a growing discontent population will rise up against their ultra-capitalist system after which we could help them and use them as our puppets.

>>5210538
>originating from our own nuke

Found the critical flaw in your plan.

>Considering the actual course we will take, I think we should minimise our impact in their economy as much as possible so that a growing discontent population will rise up against their ultra-capitalist system after which we could help them and use them as our puppets.

I don't think you exactly understand what you're really getting into with war, I think you'd prefer more subversive methods if you want to retain anything of value and not create an insurgency against us.

>>5210546
>Found the critical flaw in your plan.
NEMPs are a real thing
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse
>I think you'd prefer more subversive methods
Which is why I voted for the Monke Portugal option. If anything, I think a top priority after/if we don't xenocide them is to put as much bureaucracy in their space industry and programs as to neuter them until we properly puppet them. I was merely thinking about the ways we could circumnavigate the whole amphibian Viet Cong with nukes thing in the best manner for the Hegemony. Had we not be pressed by time and enemies, I would have voted to kill them and take their DNA from their corpses. Alas, we have bigger worms to extinguish.

>>5210567
>NEMPs are a real thing

I was referencing the fact that we have none, and have a cultural aversion to them.

>>5210505
Hey now, no one said we couldnt use their genetics, if anything I think weve seen how capable our cloning technology has taken us so far, the future has much in store
clone saga has been fun though i wont lie

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>>5210574
One hundred BILLION Ingars!

>>5210573
Instead of EMPs we could bombard their infrastructure from orbit and then deploy chemical weapons on a wider area as to make immediat response impossible while we take their corpses. Now that I think about it, our army is pretty bad.

>trying to go to war normally
You people do remember the entire problem is their nukes, right? We need to GET RID OF THEM.

I mean, surely we should be able to locate their silos with our advanced sensors, right? And if they're in the early space age, we could also hack them to acquire information.

Fuck, we could just use the balaathi virus to take control of their stuff.

>>5210623
>balaathi virus

Actually, that might be a good false flag to get them into our corner politically. The Balaathi must be due in this system sometime soon, if not already here. We should use them as our stick to the Hegemony's carrot.

>>5210638
True - but like i said, we're extremely more advanced, computer-wise. They're not mechanic anymore, so they have digital computers - which can be hacked.

Mostly, we need to take out their nukes. If we can take out their nukes, they have nothing they can even do.

>>5210638
Hell we could basically offer them a similar deal that the worms offered us. We have decent rep with the Spiritualists we could even be a middle man . Buying their reasources and selling them off for a profit to the galactic community.

Honestly them being late stage capitalists are a major boon for us. They have basically the most manipulateable society possible

>>5210640
See, they would, but the problem is that they also seem to be full on red-scare and think we're communists.

>>5210647
>think we're communists.
Let's face it, they're not really wrong.

>>5210647

I think tens of billions of dollars will help with that "misconception."
>>5210652

>>5210652
Ehhh, we're more of an mix of ANGSOC and China

>>5210652
Communists (at least in theory) disavow class structures and inborn hierarchies. We idealize such structures.

>>5210761
Yeah. We're about as communist as the Tau. We literally have castes.

>>5209831
What are they gonna do? Lob them at us?
>Tractor beam + shield that shit

>>5210412
This, I like this idea. Make them an offer they can't refuse.

>>5209807
>Convince the Swall that they need to disarm and peacefully submit to Hegemonic rule (Leads to another choice)
>Create a stealthy remote colony in the system that the Swall won't be able to reach or detect

>>5210412
I like this idea, will support if this doesn't get ganked like the Ingar waifu idea.

If they have the conception of communist, it must mean that there is an undercurrent of communism sympathy and sympathizes with this world. If we can engage with those elements, it may be easier subverting them.

>tell them about the horrors of our own nuclear war and ask them to disarm.

>Prepare for invasion

>Bring significant missile defense forces to defeat any airborne nukes.

>When we invade, say that we're doing it to liberate the Swall from their megalomaniac nuclear weapon wielding overlords.

Working on the update now.

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”General, as I am sure you are aware, you stand no chance against the Hegemony in an open military conflict...”

“Ahh- that proves you're scared! Our spears can blow you out of the sky.”

”Two hundred and twenty five.”

“Hmm?”

”That's how many water purification plants are within a five minute strike distance of our current craft. Eighty communications towers; crippling your submarine's ability to communicate with the rest of your society. Oh, and the silos-”

“You think you scare me, you damn dirty monkey!?”

”Your species controls forty five hundred and six nuclear warheads. Judging by the radiation reading- about four hundred are plutonium based, the rest uranium based. Low orbital strike missile platforms could strike anywhere on the planet's surface. Experimental high orbit or space flight rockets are being considered, but less then three could actually be deployed.”

“...”

”This information can be easily made public. As with the Hegemony's message. Don't ignore your voting bloc, General. Perhaps it is best if you arrange a meeting with your public leadership...”

Convincing through the threat of force is much gentler then actually having to employ that force. Of course, you don't mention the fact that this exploration vessel is alone and about two years away from reinforcements- having to wait that long would give the Swall a great head start at their own space program.

You ensure that the Swall general population has a version of your message to the Swall leadership- broadcast on their archaic television and radio networks- they themselves will understand exactly what is at stake here. If this arrogant general or any leader of the Swall wants to launch a cheeky nuclear bomb- they would be held accountable by their own people... at least before you can get to them.

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Soon, a meeting of some of the highest individuals in the Swallish state commences. The leaders are clearly coming to the table with a desire to bargain, and try to avoid losing as much as they can in the inevitable takeover.

“Our history is bloody with communist revolts- always ending in failure and a terrible result for the working class and nationhood. We cannot allow these communist aliens to force their ways against us.”

“Please, Chairman. This is a matter of species survival; it goes beyond mere living standards and worker's rights.”

“You fools are going to roll over for them?!”

“General, you didn't see it necessary to invoke your emergency right of first strike- so clearly, the benefit didn't outweigh the risk for you either.”

“...”

Since you have decided to convince the Swall to disarm themselves, which is your primary goal, you've got their ear now. This could also be an opportunity to incorporate them into your empire fully as second class citizens.

However, you need a good “in” in how to convince them. Supreme Rulers are naturally skilled and highly trained orators, as being the most powerful leader of a space empire aught to be. But through what concept should you convince this group of men to submit themselves to the Hegemony?

>Ideology
>Quality of Life
>Survival of their Species

>Technological ascendance and monetary acumen.

>>5211078
>Quality of Life
They are very ideologically opposed to us. Survival of the species is all stick and no carrot. They alrwady know we have a big stick. Time to offer them a carrot.

Also maybe clarify that we are not commies and that the fact we are a star faring empire means that unlike communism, our system works.

Quality of life is not a good choice because it'll feel like a bribe. Instead, we should convince them that joining us would give them the best scenario for their species in relation to all the other powers

If they go independent, not only will they have to deal with the likes of the Esaal, they'll also be vulnerable to threats like the Balaathi and the space worms

As long as we can convince them their species won't be our slaves, it'll work out well.
>Convince them of the benefits of joining the Hegemony

>>5211078
>Quality of Life
Just give the elites superdrugs and exotic alien hookers.

>>5211078
>"Look, we're going to be honest here. We're not the only alien race out here. Entities like the Balaathi, Esaal, and space worms will be threats that you will have to deal with if you go independent. They will not be as pleasant as we're being right now."
>"On a galactic scale, you're outnumbered. This isn't a threat, this is just the facts of the situation. Instead of butting heads with us, perhaps you can work with us for a mutual benefit."
>Convince them of the benefits of joining the Hegemony

>>5211078
>Survival of their Species
As in, we'll protect them from other alien threats, and provide them with a great deal of autonomy (though no true independence). Way better than some of the other options, which we should gleefully list out. Also imply that if this doesn't work, we'll have glass the planet to prevent the Swall from becoming a resource for our competitors instead.


We can throw in some QoL stuff as well but they're smart enough to figure out the tech eventually and they know it. Our ideology isn't appealing to them either, leaving only survival as the valid option.

>>5211078
>Quality of Life
The carrot
>Survival of their Species
The stick. Keep in mind, it’s not only the Monkes out here. Undoubtedly you’ll face other hostile aliens, probably even in a couple of years (the Balaathi specifically come to mind, given the presence of a gas giant and the Balaathi‘s attempts to colonize other systems). Be thankful that this isn’t as rude of an awakening to galactic politics as our first contact was.

>>5211078
>Quality of Life
Getting life extension technology is a pretty convincing thing.
>Survival of their Species
If we can pick more than two then this too, talk about all the other hostile alien life out there like the worms, in fact make sure to tell them to equip all their crap with UV lights in case of sudden worm infestations.

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>>5211103
This was me phone posting, changing my vote to:

>All of the above!

We shall embrace the Swall and turn them into new patriots!

>"To re-iterate, the Hegemony is not communist. A history of communist revolts is indicative of a system that creates dissatisfaction by promising equality and freedom in a universe where no one is equal or free. And when the lower classes realise that some people are more equal and free than others chaos ensues. The Hegemony does not sugar-coat the truth. It acknowledges the reality that individuals are not and can never be equal, and instead of the pursuit of empty freedom it offers it's subjects something greater: Purpose!"

>"If you think me a tyrant then you need only consider the fact that the Hegemony is an interstellar empire. Our citizens may not be equal but even the lowliest worker enjoys a high standard of living; our system WORKS. And our races are not so different. I have encountered many races during my reign, many where either threats to be eliminated or inferiors to be subjugated, but you know what I see when I look at the Swall? Potential! We both value order, progress, and knowledge!"

>"Also, we're going to be honest here. We're not the only alien race out here. Entities like the Balaathi, Esaal, and space worms will be threats that you will have to deal with if you go independent. They will not be as pleasant as we're being right now. On a galactic scale, you're outnumbered. This isn't a threat, this is just the facts of the situation. Instead of butting heads with us, perhaps you can work with us for a mutual benefit."

>>5211078
>Quality of Life
Their main worries here seem to be reduced living standards from living under "communism" and workers rights. Demonstrating that we have high quality of life should assuage these worries. Ideology is unlikely to work against these dogmatic people, and Survival of the Species is something they are already well aware of. Quality of Life is a new angle that they aren't aware of yet.

>>5211116
It is a bribe. Bribe them. Bribes work. Their entire political culture is basically bribe based if it's at all similar to current Irl Earth

>Quality of life

>>5211078
>Quality of life

Lets show them all the crazy ass tech we have, they're failing to understand just how advanced our species is

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>contact alien species
>they hate your ideology
>they're smart enough to catch up to your tech shortly
>they are keenly aware you can destroy them and respond positively
>QM offers choice for persuasion strategy between literally those 3
>vote anything other than survival

I take it back, losing isn't that fun. Not like this.

>>5211198
If we integrate them into our society they'll easily surpass us given enough time and familiarity with our tech.

Unless we do some genetic fuckery like we did with the Hazaar. "Intelligence dampener" type shit

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>>5211200
I will never cease to be surprised by the depths of /qst/'s retardation.

>>5211198
It's been like this since the first thread. People are fucking stupid and will vote for the dumbest stuff because they just read the first vote and followed It like a dumb lemming

>>5211200
Eh, they're smarter, but they're also extremely heavily K-Type. Bananas said a female spends ALL her resources on a egg. Their birth rate is probably way lower than a Jaxtian's.

If they stay as a minority, they can be used.

>>5211200
>>5211201
>>5211202
So what then? Costly invasion followed by genocide?

Well that ship has sailed, enjoy the ride or get off...

Or stay mad and continue to shit post, it's your time to waste.

I'm counting six QoL, two "Convince them of the benefits" (which is a mix of Survival of the Species + QoL), three for Survival of the Fittest, and one for all three, and one "technological ascendance and monetary acumen" (probably just QoL)

It really is just the best move to go "hey look, there's a shit ton of threats, we're being nice here. Disarm your nukes, join us, and you'll survive and get some cool benefits".

I think solely appealing to QoL isn't the best move. And anything about ideology is dead weight, we need to work with them via realpolitik if anything else.

>>5211078
>Quality of Life
Living standards are a big thing for them and they fear 'communism' will decrease that - but we've been trying our best throughout the quest to give the average Jaxtian as good a quality of life as we can get for them, and genetically advantaged Jaxtians even more so.

>Survival of their Species
They've recently banded their various nations together to stand against alien threats? Terrific, terrific... now let's tell them and show them footage/evidence of some of the alien threats we've already faced and barely scraped through. Baalathi cylinder (if one were to roll in now, they'd probably loose everything above the water line), Hyperdimensional carnivorous worms (want to see the footage where I got this scar?), etc. If we stand together with them, we can all face extra-terrestrial threats to our star cluster with significantly higher capacity.

Additionally, let's not make these guys as 'second class' as the Haazar are and feel. They're intelligent, didn't try to con us, and hopefully will be bought in peacefully - they will deserve a significant status within the Hegemony if we join together. If their gene-scores are high enough, perhaps we could even plug one of this council's current members into a Hegemony overseer position?

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>>5211211
IT LITERALLY SAYS IT IN THE POST

IT'S THE ONE THING THE ENTIRE POST IS DEPICTING YOU FUCKHEAD

>>5211213
>deleted post
Oh joy, what did I miss?

>>5211216
I misread his post and thought it said "they are keenly aware they can catch up to your tech shortly" and posted something to the effect of "no they aren't", reread his post realized he doesn't say that, and deleted it. Nice side effect of getting him to show just how autistic he is though. Also, very nice of him to completely avoid the arguments in favor of QoL and against Survival while simultaneously calling others retarded.

>>5211216
I think it’s better without any context. Reminds me of Hostile Anon, though I think he was more eloquent in Royal Rumble.

>>5211221
My counterargument would be "I can actually read"

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>>5211216
>>5211221

>>5211167
Very sensible. Supporting. But...

>>5211078
>Quality of Life
If we much prioritize one, it's this.

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>>5211205
Like Asians

>>5211322
Except they probably have mighty prehensile dolphin dicks vs our tiny monkey peashooters, so not really like asians. In hindsight I'm glad Eoba didn't send that dick pic after all, the humiliation would have taken place on a pan-galactic scale

>>5211322
Asians have way too many children.
>>5211330
t.Hazaar

>>5211330
You really think we have mastered genetic engineering as a species and our leadership HASN'T given themselves Magnum Dongs?

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>>5211339
>you weren't born into the age of genetically-engineered magnum dongs
why even live

>>5211339
Everybody knows it isn't the size that counts... rather, how well one can use it.

>>5211167
Seconding this as the prototype speech

>>5211210
And this too for their eventual treatment, and the footage of the threats.

>>5211078
>Quality of Life

>>5211078
>Survival of their Species
The Chairman cares about workers and living standards
The General seems concerned about survival but didn't use his emergency right.
On the image, the General and Military Administrator seems to be the most hostile.
The other guy tried to pacify the others is probably the Science Lead and cares about survival.
The Military Administrator just probably hate our guts at this point but looks like the Science Lead and General are receptive to arguments about survival while onky the Chairman cares about living standards.

>>5211078
>Ideology
" Centuries ago, on a planet not unlike your own, from the pyre lit by the same kind of weapons you hold so dearly, beliving them to protect you, we arose, The Hegemony. Through the ashes left behind by the nuclear holocaust, we brought peace, stability, a world worth living in. Unlike you however, we chose to see the world as it is, a world where the individual can not survive on freedom, on the idea that freedom is the end rather than the means. In truth, those revolts you have faced are just the symptoms of a larger sickness, a deadly one, one that can't be cured by sugary sirups, but by one of the bitterest truths of the universe, that there is no equality and there can be none. Neither equality of wealth nor of chances can be trully achived since the individual is a specialised being, one whom does not thrive in freedom, but in purpose! Purpose which is what freedom should led to and what freedom actualy means, to be free to do your purpose. "
>Quality of Life
" The Hegemony understood this, and thus we have prospered. Currently we rule over many worlds, each with enough resources that, had we only need to maintain a population equal to yours, we would have eliminated scarcity for millenias on end. Our people live far beyond the age that their ancestors did and even our lowliest workers live what one may see the life of a king. And it is in this prosperity that we invite you to join, because you, the Swall have the potential to rise above the facade of your self-destructing philosophies and rise like us into greatness. It is for this reason we invite you to join The Hegemony and mold that wasted potential into real growth."
>Survival of their Species
"Or don't do that. Afterall, if the alien says that we have the potential to do great, it means that we will do great won't it general? You will surely find yourselves into a bountiful sea, where there are no dangers and you could go frolic all you want unimpeded, won't you? There surely are no Balathi out there, slaughtering billions due to petty whims and changes in the air, there surely are no Hazaars out there, ploting in their ivory towers how to profit of mass genocides, there surely are no Esaals out there, forever marching to war, devoid of individuality and common sense, and there surely are no worms[I forgot their name] out there whom leach all civilizations that met them, through a death by a thousand cuts, while telling their gospel of nihilism and defeatism to all who chose to fight back. Surely, gentleman, the one and greates threat out there are the aliens whom have come to speak to us and invite us to join in their prosperity. But I ask, how do you think I got this scar?"(show them the clip of us killing the worm.)
How does this speech sound? I tried to expand on his >>5211167 ideas.

>>5211715
>How does this speech sound
It sounds like you need to take your meds and allow the QM to actually write the quest himself, goddamn.

>>5211715
sounds too dramatic, desu