>>5117686
Design_______________________________


Main Guns_________
normal accuracy against large ships (CV, BB, BC), moderate accuracy against medium ships (CA, CL), poor accuracy against small ships (DD)

x1 - +7 accuracy, +5 to weight each battery
x2 - +3 accuracy, +10 to weight each battery
x3 - +0 accuracy, +20 to weight each battery
x4 - -5 accuracy, +30 to weight each battery
Light Slots_________
Each battery acquired counts as a battery on both sides of the ship

Secondary Battery - Can only directly hit ships, normal accuracy against all ships
- +10 accuracy, +1 to weight each battery, 5 km range
Dual Purpose Battery - Can target either ships or aircraft, normal accuracy against all ships, +1 to weight each battery
- vs ships: +0 accuracy, 4 km range
- vs aircraft: +12 accuracy 3-4 km, +0 accuracy 1-2 km, -15 accuracy 0-1 km
Heavy Anti-Aircraft Battery - Can only directly hit aircraft
- +15 accuracy 3-5 km, +3 accuracy 1-3 km, -20 accuracy 0-1 km, +1 to weight each battery
Light Anti-Aircract Battery - Can only directly hit aircraft
- -20 accuracy 2-3 km, +0 accuracy 1-2 km, +35 accuracy 0-1 km, +0.5 to weight each battery


Superstructure Options____________
Optional additions to Superstructure, can be damaged/destroyed. Superstructure by default has 3 HP, you get -5 accuracy to Main Guns per HP lost.

Primitive RADAR - +2 accuracy against ships, unit detection up to 30 km of uninterrupted space, +12 to weight
Early RADAR - +3 accuracy against ships, unit detection up to 45 km of uninterrupted space, +18 to weight
Secondary Tower - +10 Light Slot Battery accuracy, 1/2 penalty from Main Tower damage/destruction, +10 to weight
Primitive SONAR - 1 km torpedo detection, +5 to weight
Early SONAR - 1.5 km torpedo detection, +8 to weight


Maneuverability______________

1 km turning circle - +0 to weight
800 m turning circle - +5 to weight
600 m turning circle - +12 to weight
400 m turning circle - +22 to weight

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>>5117688
Miscellaneous________________

Turtleback Armor Scheme - If a Citadel hit is rolled on the crit table, reroll up to one more time, +5 to weight
Preventative Maintenance - Enemies roll -5 on the crit table against you, +5 to weight
Superheavy Shells - your Penetration result of 19 is also now a crit, also roll +10 on the crit table, +7 to weight
Extra Bulkheads - +10 HP, take 25% less damage from torpedoes (rounded up), +3 to weight
Extra Torpedo Belt Plating - take 50% less damage from torpedoes (rounded up) that hit your torpedo belt (the area between the exterior Main Guns), +3 to weight
Extra Armor Plating +X - Enemies Gain -1 to Penetration rolls against you per X, +3 to weight per X
Float Plane - Recon plane launchable by catapult, 400 km range, up to 2 planes, +4 to weight per plane


Hull Options_______________
Gain +1 kn top speed for every 5 weight unused from weight budget (rounded down)

A Hull - 2 Main Gun slots, 8 Light slots, 100 weight budget, default top speed 33 kn, 50 HP
B Hull - 3 Main Gun slots, 20 Light slots, 135 weight budget, default top speed 29 kn, 60 HP
C Hull - 4 Main Gun slots, 25 Light slots, 160 weight budget, default top speed 25 kn, 70 HP


Escort Options_______________
Choose one

1 CA - 3x3 Main Guns, 4 Dual Purpose Batteries, 2 Light AA Batteries, Float Plane, Extra Armor Plating +2, 30 HP
1 CL - 3x2 Main Guns, 3 Heavy AA Batteries, 5 Light AA Batteries, Primitive RADAR, Secondary Tower, 27 HP
2 DD - Each ship: 2x2 Main Guns, 1 Dual Purpose Battery, 2 Light AA Batteries, 3x2 Torpedo Launchers, Primitive SONAR, 17 HP

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>>5117691
The first vote will be for the Hull of the ship.

Hull Options_______________
Gain +1 kn top speed for every 5 weight unused from weight budget (rounded down)

>A Hull - 2 Main Gun slots, 8 Light slots, 100 weight budget, default top speed 33 kn, 50 HP
>B Hull - 3 Main Gun slots, 20 Light slots, 135 weight budget, default top speed 29 kn, 60 HP
>C Hull - 4 Main Gun slots, 25 Light slots, 160 weight budget, default top speed 25 kn, 70 HP

>>5117693
>A Hull - 2 Main Gun slots, 8 Light slots, 100 weight budget, default top speed 33 kn, 50 HP

>>5117693
>B Hull
It is the most efficient option

>>5117693
>C Hull - 4 Main Gun slots, 25 Light slots, 160 weight budget, default top speed 25 kn, 70 HP

The Yamato shall rule the seas once more!

>>5117693
>>C Hull - 4 Main Gun slots, 25 Light slots, 160 weight budget, default top speed 25 kn, 70 HP
We'll need the extra firepower and HP when they inevitably start sending task forces after us...

>>5117693
>B Hull - 3 Main Gun slots, 20 Light slots, 135 weight budget, default top speed 29 kn, 60 HP
Anons you don’t want to get raped by planes

>>5117693
B Hull

>>5117691
>C Hull - 4 Main Gun slots, 25 Light slots, 160 weight budget, default top speed 25 kn, 70 HP

A tad slow, but considering we are the only one with real firepower that extra weight and guns might prove critical.

>>5117693
>B Hull - 3 Main Gun slots, 20 Light slots, 135 weight budget, default top speed 29 kn, 60 HP
A battlecruiser that only goes 25 knots in a World War 2 era setting isn't going to cut it. The C Hull won't let us bully Heavy/Light Cruisers and Destroyers like we're supposed to do.

>>5117693
>>A Hull - 2 Main Gun slots, 8 Light slots, 100 weight budget, default top speed 33 kn, 50 HP


Contemporary battleships could get up to 30Kts so ideally we want to be faster.

>>5117693
>B Hull - 3 Main Gun slots, 20 Light slots, 135 weight budget, default top speed 29 kn, 60 HP
I like big boom but we don't want to be too slow, we also don't want to get mega fucked by planes.

Why is the premise "one battlecruiser group vs their entire navy" instead "our navy vs their navy and we control this one battlecruiser group". It's just so unrealistic right now.

>>5118274
>Ostland High Command has ordered this new Battlecruiser and her escort to interdict Ouesterran convoys from Neutral Southern Nations to choke out their war economy, and perhaps turn the tide in this war
We are in fact not fighting the enemy navy, we are a surface convoy raider squadron. We're supposed to dodge enemy task forces and strike convoys and their escorts.

>>5117693
>B Hull - 3 Main Gun slots, 20 Light slots, 135 weight budget, default top speed 29 kn, 60 HP
Balance is best

>>5118276
This is important considering we are a battlecruiser, not a battleship - basically an upgunned and upsized heavy cruiser. BCs tend to come off poorly in fleet engagements against battleships as the Brits found out when they kept exploding at Jutland, and if we try and fight a BB one-on-one we're going to get murdered like HMS Hood did. We're a cruiser's nightmare though.

>>5118284
>Hood
That was because she was 20 years out of date when she sunk. She was designed with Jutland in mind and was theoretically capable of going toe to toe with a battleship of the same era.

>>5117693
>>A Hull - 2 Main Gun slots, 8 Light slots, 100 weight budget, default top speed 33 kn, 50 HP

>>5118289
That is true, but this made it closer to an undergunned fast BB than a nominal BC.

>>5118304
>undergunned

Hood mounted 8 15 inch guns, that's hardly undergunned. Never mind the fact that the kind of gun it mounted was useful throughout the Second World War.

>>5118310
My bad, I read that as four guns not four pairs. In any case, the point here is that its design was effectively a BC in name only and closer in spirit to a true fast BB before it was cool. WWII-era BC designs made the BC-BB distinction a lot clearer.

>>5117693
>B Hull - 3 Main Gun slots, 20 Light slots, 135 weight budget, default top speed 29 kn, 60 HP

>>5118276
The only plausible scenario I can think of is Ostland still having land-based guns and aircraft so Ouesterrans cannot bring their navy close to land.

But this still doesn't answer how a battlecruiser group would be allowed to operate since once they leave port it's game over. Even if they were to escape a blockade succesfully, they have to return sooner or later for maintenance and refueling breaks.

There's just no realistic way for this battlecruiser to keep existing.

>>5118340
>maintenance and refueling breaks

Once they're out past the blockade, they can refuel out of neutral ports and conduct their own maintenance as long as it isn't too intensive.

>>5118340
Our mission is akin to German interdiction operations early during WWII using the Scharhorsts and the Bismarck. Of course the Ouesterran Navy would send every available unit to sink us and our odds of survival isn’t great. In rl once Bismarck was lost the Germans realized that the cost of such operations was too great compared to its benefits and kept the remaining BBs as a fleet in being.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Berlin_(Atlantic)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rheinübung

>>5118340
The idea is that Ouesterra can't constantly have fleets out patrolling, especially not near Ostland, since fuel doesn't grow on trees. You should remain unopposed while near Ostland, but after that, who knows? My plan is for it to largely depend on how well you can manage detection, fuel usage, damage to your group, and avoiding ships capable enough to challenge you should you choose. The last part especially is how I'd like to make speed matter somewhat. Also, don't underestimate how difficult it can be to find 2-3 ships in an ocean, even only a part of it. It is also, of course, very possible that you don't survive this mission. Sorry I forgot to specify, but this was originally intended as a oneshot, unless maybe if things end up going very well.

>>5118274
>>5118276 is correct, your immediate goal is not the destruction of Ouesterra's navy, but raiding their convoys and escorts. You aren't a Super battleship, you are a Battlecruiser.

>>5118353
There might also be fuel tankers sent out from command to keep you out there depending on how things play out. The western Mainland continent is Ouesterra, but all the islands are neutral. Not all of them might have ports capable or willing to service your ship though.

>B Hull - 3 Main Gun slots, 20 Light slots, 135 weight budget, default top speed 29 kn, 60 HP

Now on to the Armament. Main Guns are powerful weapons with good range and large penetration, well suited for making short work of semi-armored ships, and even capable of delivering blows to large armored ships as well. However, they have a tendency to over-penetrate ships with little-to-no armor, especially with AP loaded, and don't have great accuracy against these small ships that tend to have that little armor as well.

That's where your Light Slots can help fill the gap. Secondary Batteries have less range and firepower, but are much lighter and much more accurate against smaller targets, though they might struggle to damage larger ships. Dual Purpose batteries function very similarly to Secondaries, but can also target aircraft. The drawback is that they have a little less range than either Secondaries or Heavy AA, and are slightly less accurate than both at most ranges. Heavy AA is a good tool for long range damage against incoming aircraft, which can often force them to take evasive maneuvers and slow their approach, giving more time for your ships to respond to them. However, it struggles to hit them once they have closed in. Light AA on the other hand excels when aircraft get close, and ways half as much, but has significantly reduced firing range, and is largely ineffective at range as well. Torpedo Bombers in particular prove problematic to it, since they drop torpedoes at 1.4-1.8 km, which is just as they start to get more accurate.

You do not need to use all of your slots. If you really wanted to, you can even use none of them, though it might be difficult for you to fulfill your mission that way. Keep in mind you might want to use weight for other things in design after this, perhaps even leaving some unused to gain a boost to top speed.

Ship:
3 Main Guns slots
20 Light Slots
135 weight budget

Main Guns:
Choose how many and in what configuration (e.g. "3x2" for 3 turrets of two guns each, or "2x4 1x1" for 2 turrets of 4 guns and one with 1)
>x1 - +7 accuracy, +5 to weight each battery
>x2 - +3 accuracy, +10 to weight each battery
>x3 - +0 accuracy, +20 to weight each battery
>x4 - -5 accuracy, +30 to weight each battery

Light Slots:
Choose how many of each (up to 20 total) to mount on your ship. Each battery acquired counts as a battery on both sides of the ship (e.g. Having 1 secondary means having 1 secondary on each side). Find more specifics for each here: >>5117688
>Secondary Battery - Can only directly hit ships, normal accuracy against all ships, +1 to weight each battery
>Dual Purpose Battery - Can target either ships or aircraft, normal accuracy against all ships, +1 to weight each battery
>Heavy Anti-Aircraft Battery - Can only directly hit aircraft, +1 to weight each battery
>Light Anti-Aircraft Battery - Can only directly hit aircraft, +0.5 to weight each battery

>>5118367
also a reminder that accuracy is based on d100

>>5118353
Okay, I think I got it. Third nation built this battlecruiser for Ostland but it hasn't been finished in time to participate in the decisive naval actions. But Ostland is not giving up. They carefully seeded the port with personnel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherbourg_Project) and now they are ready to sail.

Ousterrans think there's no way for Ostland to take delivery given the present strategic and political situation. All Ousterran carrier groups are busy but nevertheless, Ousterrans dispatch something to blockade the neutral port, just in case.

Destroying this force and sailing out of the neutral port is our very first mission.

>>5118367
Would it not be better to expidite the process and let us put together the whole build now that the Hull has been selected as opposed to voting on each part seperately? Just a thought.

>>5118378
I thought of doing that, but I thought it would be a bit much to throw at you all at once, and also this way, discussion could be focused around certain design decisions. I don't mind holding a vote all at once if you guys want to though.

>>5118373
This is a really cool idea and not how I initially planned on starting us off, but I think I'll use this to start us off if people don't mind.

>>5118367
>Main Guns
“3x3” classic, simple, effective

>Light Slots
4 x Secondaries
8 x DP
4 x HAA
4 x LAA

>>5118367
main guns
>3x2
light slots
>10x secondary battery
>10x heavy anti-aircraft battery

>>5118383
>I thought of doing that, but I thought it would be a bit much to throw at you all at once
Since we're working to a weight limit I feel that doing it all at once is the better, otherwise we could potentially lock ourselves out of later upgrades if we overstack weight early on. Since people are already voting though I guess it's best to stick to the normal voting format.

>>5118367
Main Battery
>3x2 - +3 accuracy, +10 to weight each battery
30

>Secondary Battery - Can only directly hit ships, normal accuracy against all ships - +10 accuracy, +1 to weight each battery, 5 km range x7
>Dual Purpose Battery - Can target either ships or aircraft, normal accuracy against all ships, +1 to weight each battery x3
>Heavy Anti-Aircraft Battery - Can only directly hit aircraft x6
>Light Anti-Aircract Battery - Can only directly hit aircraft x4
18

48 total weight

>>5118392
What about if after this vote, we do all the rest at the same time?

>>5118367
Main guns whatever works but for light slots equal mix of Light and Heavy AA.

Secondary battery is useless due to reduced range, dual purpose similar. Let our escorts handle this.

On the other hand carrier strikes rape us. Heavy AA coverage is the only thing which can protect us somewhat (assuming we have 0 air capacity).

If we there will be option to select training traits or something like that I want night battle doctrine and training.

>>5118394
Nah, this is good. 1-3 choices per junction is definitely better than 20 or however much is left.

>>5118367
>3x2
The classic BC/CA configuration

>6x DP Battery
>7x Heavy AA
>7x Light AA
Our escorts should handle the little bastards, but we still need some defence just in case. Our main threat will be aircraft, and we should turn our ship into a total AA porcupine. 46.5 total weight so far.
I'm curious as to how QM will reconcile the conflicting numbers here. Make some averaged kludge solution?

>>5118416
Each gun has its own roll when attacking, so more guns = more rolls. The accuracy mods are to its own firing.

>>5118419
I mean for the votes tally. It's not as simple as most popular option wins here.

>>5118427
That's a good question. I'm thinking Main Gun configuration is looking to be a simple "whichever has the most votes", but the Light Slots I'm thinking I'll choose which "idea" has the most support and average out the votes from those. Unless people start supporting specific Light Slot configurations, then I might pick the most popular.

>>5118367

x1 - 5 weight per gun
x2 - 5 weight per gun
x3 - 6.67 weight per gun
x4 - 7.5 weight per gun

2s are the most weight-efficient and we need to save as much as possible to be fast so

>3x2

For lights, our main problem is going to be planes so we want dual purposes. Historically heavy batteries were effectively useless against carrier planes but useful against any level bombers but this is a game so I suppose
>10 DP Batteries
>4 Heavy
>6 Light

>>5118416
>Our escorts should handle the little bastards
Honestly, looking at the Escort options I believe the Light Cruiser to be the best option for an escort with it's fantastic AA battery loadout, the Radar and the Secondary tower giving it insane AA accuracy. We can drop some light AA batteries and one or two Heavy ones for additional Secondaries to better protect our escort from seaborne threats, because lets face it, in the end we'll be the big brother who'll engage most enemy ships, not the Escort. Better to have the neccessary armament to deal with things like Destroyers then.

>>5118438

We'll both want to be capable of dealing with planes since they're the biggest threat to us (both in terms of spotting and crippling us for the fleet to catch up).

Our main guns are for dealing with surface targets.

>>5118438
If enemy ships are getting through our screen to knife-fighting range with us and potentially torpedo strike range as well, then something's gone quite wrong. While our escorts being floating AA batteries is nice, they have to be able to effectively engage enemy screens and keep them away from us as well, and AA guns are more effective when they're firing at aircraft attacking the ship they are on.

I will amend >>5118416 to
>4x Heavy AA
>10X Light AA
since the DP guns serve as heavy AA as well.

situational listening https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZqMqhUnVMU

>>5118383
>This is a really cool idea and not how I initially planned on starting us off, but I think I'll use this to start us off if people don't mind.

Sorry but no. It's just not plausible. A Battlecruiser isn't a missile boat. It takes months to train and familiarize the crew with the ship before it's considered seaworthy. This isn't even getting into the logistics issue of getting proper ammunition aboard. Something that can only take place on our own shores.

>>5118454
>If enemy ships are getting through our screen to knife-fighting range with us and potentially torpedo strike range as well, then something's gone quite wrong
Yes, my argument stems from the same reasoning. Planning only for ideal circumstances means you'll be shit out of luck when things do go wrong. With the Light Cruiser as our escort we can downgrade our AA armament from 'Good' to 'Below Adequate' and let it's 'Great' AA armament bring the task force up to an 'Alright' standard, while letting us equip more guns to handle a situation as you describe that has gone wrong. At least that's the thought process I'm having.

>>5118481
Kneecapping the ability of our escorts to shoot at surface targets by shifting the AA responsibility to them and anti-surface to us will dramatically increase the likelihood of us having to fight ships at close range in the first place, making it a self-fulfilling prophecy. Likewise, in the same way as us having to fight small ships is a bad situation that can happen, bombers getting through our escorts' AA screen and making a run at us that we can't effectively defend from is also possible under this plan, so we've just swapped one worst-case scenario for another.

>>5118416
>+1

>>5118367
>2x2 - +3 accuracy, +10 to weight each battery
>1x4 - -5 accuracy, +30 to weight each battery
Let's get a balance between accuracy and power. Putting all our eggs in the average basket doesn't allow for much flexibility.

For light batteries this anon >>5118436 has it on the nose. DPs can essentially be made into secondary batteries with a secondary tower.

>>5118416
>>5118454
+1 to this, good mix of AA and also 3 main guns.

>>5118367
>3x3

>10 DP Batteries
>4 Heavy
>6 Light

I'm going to keep the Main Gun vote open until later tonight (probably 6-7 hours from now), and consolidate the current votes for Light Slots into a runoff vote. The two most popular "archetypes" I'm seeing are "DP Focus with AA" and "AA Focus with DP". This vote will also last until the Main Gun vote expires.

>10 Dual Purpose, 4 Heavy AA, 6 Light AA
>6 Dual Purpose, 4 Heavy AA, 10 Light AA

>>5118762
>>10 Dual Purpose, 4 Heavy AA, 6 Light AA

>>5118762
>10 Dual Purpose, 4 Heavy AA, 6 Light AA
With a stonking radar the DP guns are as good as they get.

>>5118762
>>10 Dual Purpose, 4 Heavy AA, 6 Light AA

>>5118762
>10 Dual Purpose, 4 Heavy AA, 6 Light AA

>>5118762
>>10 Dual Purpose, 4 Heavy AA, 6 Light AA

>>5118762
>10 Dual Purpose, 4 Heavy AA, 6 Light AA

Since I don't know if I'll be around for the next vote I'm going to put my thoughts here on the other options to hopefully convince some of you.

Superstructure
>Early RADAR
>Secondary Tower - +10 Light Slot Battery accuracy, 1/2 penalty from Main Tower damage/destruction, +10 to weight
>Early SONAR

The best radar we can have is a must have. Ignoring its historical usefulness, we want to kill anything we're forced to fight ASAP which this helps with and the further we can see, the better we can avoid anything hunting us. Weight isn't really a concern when it comes to this. Honestly, if the buffs stacked I would consider Primitive as well. Hell, even though they don't I'm half tempted due to the redundancy - the Littorio class battleships had 7 rangefinders for a reason and were accurate right up until they got their shit kicked in.

Secondary tower is also a must have, anything that adds redundancy to our most important asset (the guns) by reducing the penalty of losing the main tower is a must have. The bonus to the light batteries is just the icing on the cake IMO

Also a must have. Early is 5.33 weight per km and Primitive is 5, so it's not that big a loss. Torpedoes can slow us enough for a fleet to finish us and speed is our greatest weapon

Maneuverability
>800 m turning circle

We have to save on weight somewhere, and as long as we're able to see torpedoes coming due to radar this might as well be it, that being said, if we can stay above 30kts and go any further down, then we should.

Misc
>Turtleback Armor Scheme - If a Citadel hit is rolled on the crit table, reroll up to one more time, +5 to weight
>Extra Bulkheads - +10 HP, take 25% less damage from torpedoes (rounded up), +3 to weight
>Float Plane - Recon plane launchable by catapult, 400 km range, up to 2 planes, +4 to weight per plane x2

All pure survivability. The armour should help us if we get hit, and the float planes will be able to scout for us and ensure there's nothing around to hit us. Float plane will help on the offense too.

Escort
>1 CL - 3x2 Main Guns, 3 Heavy AA Batteries, 5 Light AA Batteries, Primitive RADAR, Secondary Tower, 27 HP

It'll help protect us from planes, which is great and probably the priority, and as many radars as possible is a must have. it also doesn't look to bad for a gunfight. Mind you, historically when a raid like this takes place historically you send out your heaviest cruiser to support them on the battleline but we know with hindsight it's not guns that are the biggest threat.

QM, these are my votes if I'm not around. Idk if you'll accept them this early. Anons, feel free to challenge me on anything, but i think this is solid.

>>5118942
As an addition to the Misc, we could add +6 Extra Armor Plating for additional protection from small guns which will likely be the most prevalent on convoy escorts. If the current leading vote loadout for Main and Secondary Guns win (3x2 and 10 DP/4HH/6L) with your suggestions we'll be sitting at a Weight of 104; with 6 additional armor plates we'd be going up to 122 and rounding that down to the lowest 5 interval we'd end up with 15 spare weight giving us a +3 knots to top speed.

That'd put us at 32 knots which is a respectable top speed and 4 knots faster than the King George V-class of fast Battleships whose contemporaries we'd most likely be trying to outrun. In fact the only class of Battleships that would be able to outrun us at that speed would be the Iowa-class contemporaries, whose top speed is 33 knots, but if we assume this world follows a similar timeline to our own those do not come in to service until the fourth year of the war so we should be relatively safe from their threat.

Alternatively we could exchange the Early RADAR for a Primitive RADAR (that 6 extra weight for +1 Accuracy and 15km detection radius I feel isn't worth it if we bring the Floatplanes for scouting) and drop two Extra Armor Plates, which would put us at 110 Weight and give us a Top Sped of 34 Knots while stilling giving us Accuracy bonuses and extra protection. We could then also be sneaky and slap in Superheavy Shells here which would put us at 117 weight and a top speed of 33 Knots.

>>5117693
>C Hull - 4 Main Gun slots, 25 Light slots, 160 weight budget, default top speed 25 kn, 70 HP
Pocket Battleship go!

>>5119012
well, I was late
>>5118762
>10 Dual Purpose, 4 Heavy AA, 6 Light AA
>>5118367
>x2 - +3 accuracy, +10 to weight each battery

We need the space for extra stuff

>>5118980
I like those ideas. In an ideal world we wouldn't be trading fire with escorts at all and would just sit out of their range and pick them off, but since we'll be mostly unescorted we'll have to deal with that. I didn't realise our escort would be so thin before now.

>>5119012
You're a bit late for that vote anon.

>>5118980

I agree with your first suggestion, 32 kts is imo enough that we don't need to worry too much.

>Alternatively we could exchange the Early RADAR for a Primitive RADAR (that 6 extra weight for +1 Accuracy and 15km detection radius I feel isn't worth it if we bring the Floatplanes for scouting)

Have to disagree with this. There's weather, especially in the (not-)Atlantic that can easily ground (Sea?) aircraft while a radar can still operate, even if diminished. That 15km is an extra safety net I'm hesitant to drop even if it could theoretically be covered by aircraft.

>>5119039
>I didn't realise our escort would be so thin before now.
Yes, it is pain to be an Ostlandian Naval Commander. It was why I suggested earlier that we invest in more Secondary Batteries, with the Secondary Tower the Surface-Only batteries would have a +20 to Accuracy which would let them shred any lightly armored target that would attempt to close in on us.

Still, 10 Dual Purpose Batteries with +10 accuracy will hopefully suffice. We'll just have to prioritize the right targets in combat to minimize the chances of anything too scary closing the distance.

>>5119046
Fair point, but the more I look at Superheavy Shells the more inclined I am to suggest we take it. We can keep the Radar if we drop down Extra Armor Plates to 5 and take only a single Floatplane, it'd be a weight drop of exactly 7 so we can replace that with Superheavy Shells instead.

>>5119083

Yeah that suggestion looks fine to me. I’m willing to compromise on the armour and a plane for those shells since they’re pretty good anyway.

Ya know I wonder if we can eventually hook our radar up to our fire control for our guns like the Americans did during ww2, seeing as the RADAR and SONAR are listed as early and primitive I assume there will be higher tiers eventually that'll allow that.

Well the vote is rather conclusive, so I'm going to be calling it here.

>3x2 Main Guns
>10 Dual Purpose Batteries, 4 Heavy AA Batteries, 6 Light AA Batteries

This vote we will vote on Superstructure Options, Miscellaneous Options, And Escort Options. Maneuverability will come after this and will be the final physical design vote. All of these options (minus Maneuverability) are optional. Voting will be tallied for each section separately, so you might agree with someone on say, Miscellaneous, but disagree on Escort.

I will note that unlike most things in this game, Penetration rolls are d20 based, which you might have gleaned from the Superheavy Shells description.

The vote will last approximately 12 hours.

Ship:
3x2 Main Guns
10 Dual Purpose Batteries, 4 Heavy AA Batteries, 6 Light AA Batteries

Remaining Weight: 88/135


Superstructure Options____________
Optional additions to Superstructure, can be damaged/destroyed. Superstructure by default has 3 HP, you get -5 accuracy to Main Guns per HP lost.

>Primitive RADAR - +2 accuracy against ships, unit detection up to 30 km of uninterrupted space, +12 to weight
>Early RADAR - +3 accuracy against ships, unit detection up to 45 km of uninterrupted space, +18 to weight
>Secondary Tower - +10 Light Slot Battery accuracy, 1/2 penalty from Main Tower damage/destruction, +10 to weight
>Primitive SONAR - 1 km torpedo detection, +5 to weight
>Early SONAR - 1.5 km torpedo detection, +8 to weight

Miscellaneous Options________________

>Turtleback Armor Scheme - If a Citadel hit is rolled on the crit table, reroll up to one more time, +5 to weight
>Preventative Maintenance - Enemies roll -5 on the crit table against you, +5 to weight
>Superheavy Shells - your Penetration result of 19 is also now a crit, also roll +10 on the crit table, +7 to weight
>Extra Bulkheads - +10 HP, take 25% less damage from torpedoes (rounded up), +3 to weight
>Extra Torpedo Belt Plating - take 50% less damage from torpedoes (rounded up) that hit your torpedo belt (the area between the exterior Main Guns), +3 to weight
>Extra Armor Plating +X - Enemies Gain -1 to Penetration rolls against you per X, +3 to weight per X
>Float Plane - Recon plane launchable by catapult, 400 km range, up to 2 planes, +4 to weight per plane

Escort Options_______________
Choose one

>1 CA - 3x3 Main Guns, 4 Dual Purpose Batteries, 2 Light AA Batteries, Float Plane, Extra Armor Plating +2, 30 HP
>1 CL - 3x2 Main Guns, 3 Heavy AA Batteries, 5 Light AA Batteries, Primitive RADAR, Secondary Tower, 27 HP
>2 DD - Each ship: 2x2 Main Guns, 1 Dual Purpose Battery, 2 Light AA Batteries, 3x2 Torpedo Launchers, Primitive SONAR, 17 HP
>Hard Mode: No escort

I think I've been too generous with the weight budget this game. Oh well, let's have fun with it. Maybe I can compensate elsewhere >:)

>>5118942
I don't mind counting this, but I'd like to prevent voting for future votes unless absolutely necessary.

>>5119250
>>5118942
>>5119156
+1 to this guys stuff, RADAR and SONAR are both very important, wouldn't want to get fucked by torpedos and such ya know.

>>5119250
>>5119252

No worries boss

Just to clarify I think the final tally of what we agreed is:

>Early RADAR
>Secondary Tower - +10 Light Slot Battery accuracy, 1/2 penalty from Main Tower damage/destruction, +10 to weight
>Early SONAR

>800 m turning circle

>Turtleback Armor Scheme - If a Citadel hit is rolled on the crit table, reroll up to one more time, +5 to weight
>Extra Bulkheads - +10 HP, take 25% less damage from torpedoes (rounded up), +3 to weight
>Float Plane - Recon plane launchable by catapult, 400 km range, up to 2 planes, +4 to weight per plane x1
>Extra Armor Plating +X - Enemies Gain -1 to Penetration rolls against you per X, +3 to weight per X x5
>Superheavy shells

>1 CL - 3x2 Main Guns, 3 Heavy AA Batteries, 5 Light AA Batteries, Primitive RADAR, Secondary Tower, 27 HP

>>5119416
+1

>>5119416
>+1, but with the DD escort instead

>>5119250
>>5119416
Drop the floatplanes completely. 2 planes won't scout shit and besides, the failure rate due to ditching and combat losses is so high we will likely lose them soon. Moreover, fueled planes are fire hazard.

I also vote for utilizing only 80% of our weight limit for more interesting game.

>>5119250
Just caught up. This looks interesting though a bit complicated to me, though that may just be because of the relatively large ship gen.

I guess I'll support >>5119416

>>5119574
>2 planes won't scout shit and besides

An average WW2 spotter plane could see about 100nm away combined with being hundreds of km away anyway, that’s a ridiculously large area. Why do you think so many battleships had them?

>failure rate due to ditching and combat losses is so high we will likely lose them soon

Our floats are scout planes. Obviously we there’s a chance of fighters to knock it out, but at least we’ll know they’re there. As for ditching, the are float planes so as long as they don’t land upside down there’s the potential of repair.

> fueled planes are fire hazard.

True, but it’s a hazard on the deck outside the ship without any bombs or ammunition to make it worse. In the grand scheme of things it’s a tiny one.

>>5119416
Can we switch out the superheavy shells and extra bulkheads for preventative maintenance and extra torpedo belt plating?

>>5119678

Dude, read up on the Battles off Savo Island and around Guadalcanal and what happened to the cruisers with float planes when a shell ignited the av gas.

Float planes are an extreme liability and it became standard practice to ditch them before going into battle because of what happened in the early war engagements.

>>5119711
Do you have some reading about that? I have read about Savo Island and Guadalcanal before and again just now and not found one mention of floatplanes exploding, only their use by either side.
Little hard to believe it's a threat to the ship given there shouldn't be more the volume of avgas carried should be small.

>>5119711

I'll admit that my knowledge is mainly based on the RN so I didn't know about that.

That being said, Bismarck carried 4 float planes on her mission to raid convoys and we're doing that same mission with a quarter of the same planes. Ultimately, if we're in fleet actions where we're under threat then we've made a mistake.

>>5119250
>>5119265
>>5119416
Just to make sure my vote is counted +1 to this.

>>5119716
>>5119721

Neptune’s Inferno is a good starting point. There’s also Morrison’s naval history that makes mention of it if you don’t like Hornfischer.

It seems people have a consensus on Maneuverability as well, so if you don't mind I'm going to go ahead and just throw that in as well.

Next vote will be for Perks for your captain. In here you will notice something called "Morale Points". This is a type of currency you gain by doing well in your mission and by performing heroic/bold actions (in the eyes of your crew). Be careful though, the line between bold/heroic and reckless is pretty thin and blurry. Details are below:

Morale Points_________

You get +2 Morale Points for sinking Medium size ships (CA, CL), +5 for Large (BC, BB, CV), +1 per 3 Convoy ships, and also through heroic/bold action. After this we should be done with setup, and we can get started on our heroic voyage to sink as much merchant shipping as humanly possible.

Morale Points can be spent:

1 to reroll a set of guns (Mains, Secondaries/DPs, or DPs/HAA/LAA)
3 to repair either 2d4 of HP up to a maximum of 80% of missing HP (takes one day)
3 to repair one piece of large equipment (Main Guns, Superstructure) from destroyed to damaged or damaged to undamaged (takes one day)
3 to repair 1d6 of Light equipment (Secondaries, DPs, HAA, LAA) from destroyed to damaged or damaged to undamaged (takes one day)
10 to gain an additional perk (not while in combat)

This vote will last approximately 12 hours. The two individual Perks with the most support will be chosen.

Choose 2:

Perks__________

>Secondary Gunner - Secondary and Dual Purpose Batteries gain 2km of range vs ships, and +5 accuracy vs ships
>Inspiring Leader - Whenever you would gain any morale points, gain one additional morale point
>Logistician - Whenever you refuel, gain 25% more fuel
>Camouflage Expert - Enemies roll -5/10/15 to spot your ship (at close/medium/long range)
>Air Traffic Disruptor - Enemy aircraft suffer an additional -2 (on a d10) when rolling to attack while under your AA fire
>Squadron Leader - Your immediate escort ship(s) gain any perks your ship has with half effectiveness
>Night Fighter - Suffer half as much penalty from fighting at night
>Stubborn to the End - Once per day, if your ship would be reduced below 1 HP, it is instead reduced to 1 HP
>Flak Gunner - When heavy AA exceeds the DC to shoot down an aircraft in a squadron by 20 or more, it destroys an additional aircraft
>Patchwork Improvisor - Damaged Large equipment or 1d6 Light equipment can be repaired to a "patched" state, halving the damaged penalty over a day; can still be destroyed by being damaged again
>Keen Spotter - Float Planes gain +10 to spotting and identifying enemies
>Decisive Gunner - Ships your ship destroys don't get to fire back or take any action the round they are destroyed
>Damage Control Expert - Fires need 2 successful rolls to spread instead of 1

Also:
>Name the ship (Write in)
>Imagine naming things (Leave it to QM)

>Name the captain (Write in)
>Imagine naming things (Leave it to QM)

>>5119745
Ship:
Top Speed: 33 kn (29 + 4 from excess unspent weight)

3x2 Main Guns
10 Dual Purpose Batteries, 4 Heavy AA Batteries, 6 Light AA Batteries

Early RADAR
Secondary Tower - +10 Light Slot Battery accuracy, 1/2 penalty from Main Tower damage/destruction, +10 to weight
Early SONAR

Turtleback Armor Scheme - If a Citadel hit is rolled on the crit table, reroll up to one more time, +5 to weight
Extra Bulkheads - +10 HP, take 25% less damage from torpedoes (rounded up), +3 to weight
Float Plane - Recon plane launchable by catapult, 400 km range, up to 2 planes, +4 to weight per plane x1
Extra Armor Plating +X - Enemies Gain -1 to Penetration rolls against you per X, +3 to weight per X x5
Superheavy shells

800m turning circle

Escort:
1 CL - 3x2 Main Guns, 3 Heavy AA Batteries, 5 Light AA Batteries, Primitive RADAR, Secondary Tower, 27 HP

>>5119745
Goddamn that Secondary Gunner, 7km Secondary Batteries with +25 to accuracy against ships. Such a shame we didn't pick up any normal ones.

>Air Traffic Disruptor - Enemy aircraft suffer an additional -2 (on a d10) when rolling to attack while under your AA fire
>Night Fighter - Suffer half as much penalty from fighting at night

>>5119745
>Inspiring Leader - Whenever you would gain any morale points, gain one additional morale point
This for racking up those morale points, we can quickly get more perks with this.
>Stubborn to the End - Once per day, if your ship would be reduced below 1 HP, it is instead reduced to 1 HP
And this for just pure survival, wouldn't want to get fucked over by a enemy getting a lucky roll on us ya know.

>>5119745
>>Inspiring Leader - Whenever you would gain any morale points, gain one additional morale point
>>Logistician - Whenever you refuel, gain 25% more fuel

>>5119745
>Inspiring Leader - Whenever you would gain any morale points, gain one additional morale point
>Camouflage Expert - Enemies roll -5/10/15 to spot your ship (at close/medium/long range)

The obligatory "gain XP faster" perk and the stealthy perk.

I think not being spotted will be pretty important. We want to choose our engagements well, and Keen Spotter would be good for that, but not been spotted is more important given our mission, both for attacking and maneuvering.

>>5119745
Damn so many good perks and only two to choose from

>Night Fighter - Suffer half as much penalty from fighting at night
>Decisive Gunner - Ships your ship destroys don't get to fire back or take any action the round they are destroyed

alternatively instead of Night Fighter
>Camouflage Expert - Enemies roll -5/10/15 to spot your ship (at close/medium/long range)

>>5119745
>>5119760
>Imagine naming things (Leave it to QM)
>Imagine naming things (Leave it to QM)
Just remembered should probably vote for this as well, gonna leave it as leaving it to the QM until someone figures out a good name for both the ship and captain.

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>>5119745

All of these options are really good, well done on the compelling choice QM

While I'm very tempted by the damage control skill and a couple others, ultimately I think it comes down to the onion and avoiding being seen in the first place.

>Camouflage Expert - Enemies roll -5/10/15 to spot your ship (at close/medium/long range)

So we're not seen is a pretty obvious one. For the second one it's a bit harder since it'd be nice to have the Disruptor perk to disrupt aircraft but depending on the length of the mission I think

>Inspiring Leader - Whenever you would gain any morale points, gain one additional morale point

Is better, both to use on perks and on rolls/repairs.

For names I have a list in order of my own preference

Personal favourite
>Kreigärgern - Warspite

Honourable mentions.
>König von Preußen - King of Prussia (if that exists in not-Europe)
>Rache - Revenge
>Zenturio - Centurion
>Tapfer - Valiant
>Eroberer - Conqueror
>Lowe - Lion

> Admiral Fritz Lutjens
Since this is based on the bismarck I thought it best to pay homage to her captain.

>>5119745
Ship names
Insufferable for notBrittish
Götenland for notGermans

>>5119745
>Inspiring Leader - Whenever you would gain any morale points, gain one additional morale point
>Logistician - Whenever you refuel, gain 25% more fuel

>Ship names
Vengeance
Retribution
Revenant
Unyielding
Lord Fritz

>Captain name
Vice Admiral [First name] Janssens

>>5119745
>Night Fighter - Suffer half as much penalty from fighting at night

>Damage Control Expert - Fires need 2 successful rolls to spread instead of 1

>Ship Names
Der Edle Ritter, The Noble Knight
Prinzessin Erika, Princess Erica
Unvermeidlich, Inevitable
Admiral Graf Orlok, Admiral-Count Orlok

>Captain Name, Heinrich Raeder

>>5119745
>Night Fighter - Suffer half as much penalty from fighting at night
>Air Traffic Disruptor - Enemy aircraft suffer an additional -2 (on a d10) when rolling to attack while under your AA fire

>>5119745
>>5119849
>Imagine naming things (Leave it to QM)
>Imagine naming things (Leave it to QM)

>Inspiring Leader - Whenever you would gain any morale points, gain one additional morale point
>Night Fighter - Suffer half as much penalty from fighting at night
>Imagine naming things (Leave it to QM)


You are Captain Heinrich Lutjens. The truck you're in arrives at your new ship, the Kreigärgern. Upon stepping out, you're greeted by the sight of sailors and dockhands loading cargo onto the ship. An enlisted man, a Warrant Officer by his rank flash, spots you, approaches and salutes.

"Captain Lutjens! Good to meet you, I'm Warrant Officer Fritz Maier, your senior NCO."

"Good to meet you Fritz. Kreigärgern sure looks pretty, but for the newest ship in the fleet, it doesn't look all the extraordinary."

"Not at first glance, no, but I'd be surprised if there's anything she can't do. If you'll follow me sir, I'll give you a tour of the ship," Fritz says before leading you towards the gangplank.

"She's just got a standard compliment of 3x2 guns, dual purpose secondaries, and AA, but under the hood, she's got all the newest innovations. Our best RADAR and SONAR detection, Turtleback citadel armor, Superheavy shells, enough armor to shrug off even the biggest cruisers' guns, and she runs a smooth 33 knots on a good day. She's the fastest capital ship in the fleet. Now I'm not military intelligence, but I doubt the Ouesterrans have anything remotely this big that can catch her. And if that wasn't enough, our escort, the Prinzessin Erika, backs us up with a stellar AA compliment and a redundant RADAR array, though its RADAR isn't as powerful as ours. Don't let Kreigärgern's might get to your head though, the Prinzessin Erika isn't nearly as well armored."

"I understand, thank you Warrant Officer. When are we due to set off?"

"Admiral Vogel wants us out by the end of the week, but we should be ready to cast off by tonight, and the Prinzessin Erika is ready whenever we are. Personally, I think we should invite the sailors' families and the townsfolk here in Heilbronn to celebrate the start of Kreigärgern's maiden voyage. Frankly sir, I'm positive this ship will be instrumental to Ostland's victory in the war, and the fanfare will put us in the right mood to do so. We would also get a much needed boost to morale after all these nasty defeats the navy's had lately."

>>5120306

"Absolutely not!" An officer marches up to the two of you. "I'm Commander Ernst Janssens, sorry to make your acquaintance in so brash a manner sir, but what Warrant Officer Maier is suggesting is rank foolishness. He would have us announce to the Ouesterrans our departure. They would surely detect us, and have a head start on forcing us back to port before we've even started. We should instead seize the initiative and head out this very night under the cover of darkness. We're soldiers, not performers. By the time they notice we're gone, we'll be halfway there."

"I don't see any Ouesterrans around here, sir," Maier replies. "Any of their ships who would dare get this close would incur the wrath of the airforce. We've got nothing to worry about. Imagine what the crew would think, departing in a battlecruiser without any ceremony whatsoever, and like a thief at night at that! The gallant men at Dachau Academy wouldn't even consider such a thing, sir."

It's becoming clear that the two of them aren't very fond of each other. The two of them continue to argue, but ultimately, the decision lies with you.

>Set out tonight under the cover of darkness [Cautious]
>Send out invitations to the townsfolk and sailors' families and hold fanfare for departure at the end of the week [Bold]
>Compromise, Set out tomorrow morning, but without any fanfare [Pragmatic]
>Write in

Vote will last for approximately 12 hours

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>>5120308

I forgot two Heavy AA on each side, and by the time I realized, I didn't have the dock file anymore. You'll see the correct version of the ship later.

>>5120308
Cover of Darkness. Get a head start, delay any news that the new interdictor is out for a couple hours. Informants are everywhere, always.

>>5120311
We've got a pretty wide ship huh : )

>>5120308
>Set out tonight under the cover of darkness [Cautious]

Morale will increase once we've got some victories under our belts and we can always order a hot meal whenever to brighten the mood. Take on board some more palatable food if it pleases the Warrant Officer, but our mission demands the utmost secrecy, there could be spies anywhere!

>>5120308
>Set out tonight under the cover of darkness [Cautious]
Honestly fine with any of these options but gonna go with this since we got the Night Fighter perk.

>>5120308
>Set out tonight under the cover of darkness [Cautious]

>>5120308
>Set out tonight under the cover of darkness [Cautious]
The enemy might not have ships in striking range but they surely will have spies. A celebration practically gives the game away before it begins. We can celebrate after we strike a few blows.

>>5120308
>Set out tonight under the cover of darkness [Cautious]

>>5120308
>Set out tonight under the cover of darkness [Cautious]
Best to move fast, don't want spies to catch wind.

>>5120308
>Send out invitations to the townsfolk and sailors' families and hold fanfare for departure at the end of the week [Bold]
It’s likely our last time seeing them, why not?

>>5120308

>Send out invitations to the townsfolk and sailors' families and hold fanfare for departure at the end of the week [Bold]

>>5120427
+1

>>5120308
>Compromise, Set out tomorrow morning, but without any fanfare [Pragmatic]

>>5120308
>Set out tonight under the cover of darkness [Cautious]
We're a night fighter for a reason.

>>5120320
Good thing there's no canals in the area.

>>5120308
>>Set out tonight under the cover of darkness [Cautious]

>>5120308
>>Send out invitations to the townsfolk and sailors' families and hold fanfare for departure at the end of the week [Bold]

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>Set out tonight under the cover of darkness [Cautious]

You've made your decision.

"We shall set out tonight under cover of darkness. It's better to be on the safe side in case of any informants in our midst, and we can celebrate after we've put half the Ouesterran Merchant Marine at the bottom. If you're concerned about the mood Warrant Officer Maier, perhaps we can take on board some better food?"

Maier looks slightly embarrassed at this. "Er, no thank you sir. We are soldiers after all. I just thought it fitting to have a send-off for Ostland's latest and greatest."

"Very well then. With that out of the way, please show me around the rest of Kreigärgern."

=======================================================

Monday, April 24 1254, 9:32 pm

The sun is well below the horizon by now, and the town of Heilbronn is asleep. Commander Janssens meets you on the bridge.

"Preparations are complete Captain, we're ready to head out on your command."

"Very good commander, take us out. Steady on a course to the south west, ahead standard."

"Yes, sir."

The Kreigärgern's engines start up, and the ship pulls out of port, with Prinzessin Erika shortly behind her.

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>>5120764

Tuesday, April 25 1254, 4:05 am

It's the early morning hours when you're roused from your quarters and ushered to the bridge.

Commander Janssens reports, "RADAR contact sir! Two signatures to our North West bearing South. Who would've thought the Ouesterrans would have a presence so close to our shores?"

Officer Maier interjects, "It's probably a couple of fishing boats, nothing to get worked up about. And if they are Ouesterrans, they're almost certainly not a threat to this task force. What would you have us do, delay our mission and wait for a couple of civilian vessels to pass a battlecruiser?"

"If they are Ouesterrans, would they not be able to radio back to Ouesterran command if they spotted us?" you reply.

"Not if we blow them out of the water before they can! It's still plenty dark, we can easily get the jump on them."

"And what if it's say, a battleship or two, instead of a patrol boat? We would be putting the entire mission in jeopardy." Janssens warns.

"A battleship or two, all by themselves near Ostland's waters? Unlikely." Maier replies.

"Like us?"

>Steady as she goes, we'll pass by them [Unrelenting]
>Either stop and wait for them to pass, or divert course to avoid them (which? and if the latter, which direction?) [Pensive]
>Move to intercept the RADAR contacts [Deliberate]
>Write in

Voting will last approximately 12 hours

>>5120765
Is the moon out tonight? If it is, we might be able to catch them between the moon and us and get a look at their silhouettes for ID while remaining hidden ourselves.

>>5120765
>Move to intercept the RADAR contacts [Deliberate]
Get the float plane up there to check it out ahead of us, this is what it's for.

>>5120774
Yes, the moon is out, but it's too high in the sky to be useful for the purpose of putting yourself between them and it.

>>5120765
>>Move to intercept the RADAR contacts [Deliberate]

>>5120765
>>Move to intercept the RADAR contacts [Deliberate]
>Send the floatplane up too

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>>5120779
It doesn't have to be right on the horizon since the moon does have a habit of shining off the water, but I'll take your word for it.

>Move to intercept the RADAR contacts [Deliberate]
In that case, let's pull what the Brits did at Cape Matapan. We can close to well within gun range unseen, prepare to open fire and then shoot off a star shell and switch on the searchlights. If it's not an enemy, better luck next time. If it is, we've caught them with their pants down. A floatplane won't be able to see much in the dark.

>>5120765
>Move to intercept the RADAR contacts [Deliberate]

>>5120765
>>5120776
Ignore the sending up of the float plane, didn't realize it was still dark out and we'll likely just alert the enemy with it.

>>5120765
>Move to intercept the RADAR contacts [Deliberate]
Do not send the floatplane.

>>5120765
>Move to intercept the RADAR contacts [Deliberate]

>>5120765
>Move to intercept the RADAR contacts [Deliberate]
Minor and pedantic nitpick but it should be Kriegärgern

>>5120765
>>Move to intercept the RADAR contacts [Deliberate]

>>5120765
>Move to intercept the RADAR contacts [Deliberate]

>>5120765
>Divert course south [Pensive]

Would fishing boats be this far out away from green water?

I'd rather not give away any information that the enemy could convey to their command. There is also no point risking damage or wasting ammunition on foes not directly related to our mission.

>>5120765
>>Move to intercept the RADAR contacts [Deliberate]
HMS Hood 2.0?

>>5120765
Actually...you know what? If they have radar they'll probably decide to check us out anyways if we divert and either way their course takes them close to our path. Better to take the initiative in conditions that favour us.

Switching to...
>Move to intercept the RADAR contacts [Deliberate]

>>5120765
>>Move to intercept the RADAR contacts [Deliberate]
Let's prosecute those contacts.

>>5120765
>Move to intercept the RADAR contacts [Deliberate]

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>Move to intercept the RADAR contacts [Deliberate]

"We move to intercept the contacts. We can't afford to delay our mission, nor can we risk them finding us and sending word to Ouesterra should they be hostile ships. If they're just civilians, then we can just move on."

"Yes, sir!" both respond.

About a half hour later and you are nearing firing range. You are now able to make out the vague forms of their ships, though due to the obscurity of night, if it weren't for your RADAR, you probably wouldn't even know how many there were. The ships continue their course, whether that's due to them not noticing you, not caring, or something else is anyone's guess.

There are a few ways you can approach intercepting them. In any case, provided you aren't spotted first, you can reveal the contacts by popping up a star shell and showering them with spotlights. This should startle and blind them, and provide you with the initiative to neutralize them if necessary before they can respond. Or, it could scare the daylights out of a few civilians. First, you can charge ahead and "cross the T" on them, cutting them off with all your guns brought to bear, and if they're armed, would leave them only with their forward facing guns towards you. A powerful advantage in a fight, but also the most likely way to get you spotted, it is indeed a bold maneuver. Second, you can turn and present broadside inside your Main Guns' range, and then try to get the drop on them. This is the least likely way to get spotted, but also the least tactically advantageous, though with a good initiation, should still give you a good edge. Lastly, you can present broadside within your Dual Purpose guns' range, allowing you the maximum amount of firepower you can bring to bear. This also brings the benefit of a higher accuracy from close range.

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>>5121459
Aside from that, you won't have time to switch rounds when the ambush starts, so you'll need to preemptively load either HE or AP into your guns. AP, as the name implies, does well in penetrating armor and causing damage or destroying components of enemy ships on critical hits. However, against sufficiently lightly armored targets, it has a tendency to over-penetrate due to the fuse failing to arm, and deal significantly less damage. HE has substantially less penetration, which lends itself to solving the previously mentioned issue. HE, however, does not damage or destroy components directly on critical hits, and instead causes fires, which if gone unchecked, can easily overwhelm a ship.

(All of these options involve the "star shell and floodlight" method unless you specify otherwise)
>Ahead Full and attempt to Cross-the-T (yellow)
>Enter into Main Gun range and present broadside (blue)
>Enter into Dual Purpose range and present broadside (green)
>Write in

Main Guns
>Load AP
>Load HE
>A mix? (Write in)

Dual Purpose batteries
>Load AP
>Load HE
>A mix? (Write in)

Voting will last for approximately 14 hours or so. I would normally like to get faster updates for encounters like this, but I'm busy tonight and also might not be able to get an update out tomorrow morning in a timely manner, but hopefully we can even get some faster updates tomorrow.

Let me know if you like the version with the grid or without the grid more. Also, I couldn't find a way to rotate the ship symbols with this tool, so if this is too inconvenient or off-putting, I can try my hand at something else.

>>5121461
>>Ahead Full and attempt to Cross-the-T (yellow)

Load HE on all guns. I don't think these ships are heavily armoured.

>>5121461
>Enter into Dual Purpose range and present broadside (green)
>Write in

Maingun
>A mix?
AP, HE, HE repeat

DP
>Load HE

>>5121461
>>>Ahead Full and attempt to Cross-the-T (yellow)
>Load AP, HE, AP in all main turrets. 2 AP and 1 HE per turret
>Dual purpose, Even split on HE and AP

>>5121461
>Enter into Dual Purpose range and present broadside (green)
Main Guns
>HE
Fires will also illuminate them better, allowing us to fire more accurately at them.
Dual Purpose
>Load HE

>>5121484
better to be prepared to face a battleship and to instead only fire 3 HE and Dual purpose guns than be caught with only 3 AP loaded to deal with 2 heavy cruisers or some other big boy targets.

>>5121461
>Enter into Dual Purpose range and present broadside (green)
>Ap on two main turrets, He on all others
I prefer the grid, and the symbol direction isn’t terrible.

>>5121459
>>5121461

Do not use spotlights. The use of spotlights is what got ships targeted and blown to hell during night actions throughout WWII.

Spotlights only provided a target for enemy ships.

Use star shells to illuminate. HE to set fires. Fires will illuminate enemy ships better than spotlights will, without giving targets to the enemy.

This isn't "theory" or "talking out the ass". This is actual practice. Go read up on the Guadalcanal Campaigns and the night actions. Ships that used spotlights, both Japanese and Americans, got lit the fuck up immediately.

>Cross the T
>Load AP for main guns
>Load HE for secondaries

Lightly armored or not, an AP round from a 14-15" gun will absolutely still wreck a destroyer and render it combat ineffective depending on where it hits.

Effective torpedo range is typically less than 5000 yards, which was the maximum launch range for the Japanese destroyers, who were the experts at destroyer torpedo attacks. American and British navies typically waited until 3000-4000 yards before launching. We want to stay, for safety, outside of 7000 yards. Because at point-blank range, even a cruiser's 8" guns can absolutely fuck up a battleship's armor, as was shown when the Hiei, which is probably comparable to our ship, got wrecked by the 8" guns of American heavy cruisers.

>>5121461
>Ahead Full and attempt to Cross-the-T (yellow)
>Load HE
>Load HE

I like the grid version.

I'm a bit paranoid that the enemy could be using civilian vessels to spy on us, even captured vessels of our nations. So perhaps it would be wise to also try and avoid being spotted or trying to board them if we are spotted and the vessels appear to be civilian ships, or perhaps not and I'm simply being paranoid.

>>5121461
>Ahead Full and attempt to Cross-the-T (yellow)
Main: AP, AP, HE
DP: 5 AP, 5 HE

If we're firing perpendicular to the enemy our shots should be able to pierce a lot more of the enemy's interior systems before they exit right?.

>>5121504
+1 to this because this dude clearly knows more about naval history and tactics than I ever will, also just plainly looks good to me.

>>5121504
support, for the reasons
>>5121641
outlined

>>5121504
+1

>>5121461
>Ahead Full and attempt to Cross-the-T (yellow)

>Load AP

>Load HE

>>5121504
To be fair it worked at Cape Matapan. Though that’s probably because it was against the Italians and several battleships bulling some cruisers.

>>5121504
+1. Anon is also right about spotlights, no lights at least at first.
Huge AP shells will overpenetrate a DD, and they can take a lot of penetrating shots so long as they don't hit something vital e.g. at Samar. A hole straight through the hull is pretty easy to deal with compared to an explosion.
>>5121790
At Matapan the Italians were caught so off guard and blasted apart so quickly they didn't even have time to get most of their crew to action stations, let alone proper return fire.

>>5121461
>Enter into Main Gun range and present broadside (blue)
>mix of AP and HE into all guns

Woke up earlier than I expected, new update soonish, and faster updates following

>>5121921
Good fucking show, keep it up. One good quest on this damned board.

>>5121924
Thanks anon, you flatter me

>>5121461
I'll switch to support >>5121504

>>5121504
+1
>>5121924
May I recommend the Antipaladin quest?

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>Ahead Full and attempt to Cross-the-T (yellow)
>Load AP for main guns
>Load HE for secondaries

>You have performed a *bold* action! Gained 1(+1) Morale Points.
>Morale Points: 2


"Ahead Full, we'll pull right in front of them. Main Guns to load Armor Piercing, Dual Purpose to load High Explosive. All hands to Action Stations."

A grin appears on Warrant Officer Maier's face, "With pleasure, sir!"

The Kriegärgern lurches forwards as it races to cutoff the two unknown ships. Her crew races around to their posts - manning the guns, forming damage control teams, heading to the boilers, and officers scrambling to reach the bridge.

As you close in, clouds pass over the moon, and you still aren't able to get any better of a direct visual. Hopefully the same applies to the two unfortunate ships you're pulling in front of. You arrive near the ambush point with enough time that you need to slow to Ahead Half to not overshoot.

Finally, the moment arrives. You can just barely make out two ships perpendicular to yours, well within firing range.

"Launch the star shell."

Illuminated, you now make out the forms of two Ouesterran destroyers!

Firing
>Concentrate all fire on nearest DD
>Concentrate all fire on furthest DD
>Spread fire evenly
>Write in

The Prinzessin Erika will fire on the nearest DD

Maneuvering
>Turn in (red)
>Maintain course (green)
>Turn away (yellow)

Current speed: Ahead Half (14 kn)
>Change speed?

>Roll 6d100, 10d100 (Accuracy), 6d20, 10d20 (Penetration)

Voting will last 1-2 hours

>>5121962
Ideally I'd like multiple people to be able to roll, so please only roll one set of dice (e.g. the 6d100). Also, like previously stated, I'll try to make combat rounds shorter updates.

Accuracy (Main Guns):
Base - 80
Large targeting small ship - +20
Night (reduced) - +5
Illuminated - -5
Range 3-4km Main Guns - -5

DC: 95


Accuracy (Dual Purpose):
Base - 80
Small/secondary targeting small ship - +0
Night (reduced) - +5
Illuminated - -5

DC: 80


Penetration (Main Guns):
Base - 11
Large vs small - -18

DC: -7, 3+ overpenetrates


Penetration (Dual Purpose):
Base - 11
Small/secondary vs small - -5
Firing HE - +8

DC: 13

>>5121963
Penetration DC should be 14 for Dual Purpose, not 13. Basic arithmetic strikes again!

Rolled 11, 97, 74, 53, 98, 8 = 341 (6d100)

>>5121956
I bet he's salty over Antipaladin for some reason

>>5121962
I'll just roll one set of dice

Rolled 100, 83, 16, 28, 38, 48, 76, 10, 62, 63 = 524 (10d100)

>>5121962

>Spread fire evenly
>Maintain course (green)

Rolled 39, 21, 59, 91, 57, 49 = 316 (6d100)

>>5121963
Prinzessin Erika Accuracy

Rolled 11, 7, 2, 18, 8, 2 = 48 (6d20)

>>5121971
Prinzessin Erika Penetration

Rolled 2, 16, 14, 14, 5, 7 = 58 (6d20)

>>5121962
>Spread fire evenly
>Maintain course (green)

Rolled 6 (1d6)

>>5121972
damage

Rolled 13, 14, 9, 18, 12, 5, 14, 15, 16, 4 = 120 (10d20)

>>5121962
>>Concentrate all fire on furthest DD
>Turn in (red)

>>5121963
Oops again, completely forgot your RADAR and Secondary Tower bonuses.

Actual actual DCs are:
Main (acc): 92

DP (acc): 67

2 Main Gun hits, 3 Dual Purpose hits
>Roll 2d10 and 3d4 for damage

Rolled 13, 4, 8, 15, 5, 3, 9, 3, 3, 7 = 70 (10d20)

>>5121990
>>5121963
Do we roll Penetration for the main guns even if our DC is negative, and do we roll penetration for all shells, even those we miss?

Rolling for the secondary batteries since at least those have a DC.

>>5122004
Yes, you roll pen for negative DC because what you roll for penetration determines if it's a normal pen, over pen, or crit

Rolled 7, 9 = 16 (2d10)

>>5122003

Rolled 2, 1, 1 = 4 (3d4)

>>5121962
>Concentrate all fire on furthest DD
The furthest one is more likely to escape, we need to make sure they both sink.
>Maintain course (green)
>Change speed?
No
>>5122003
Rolling damage

Rolled 2 (1d2)

>Spread fire evenly = 1
>Concentrate on furthest DD = 2

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Rolled 22, 64, 14, 38, 76, 7 = 221 (6d100)

>Concentrate all fire on furthest DD
>Maintain course (green)

"All guns on that far Destroyer! Open fire!"

The heavy guns of Kriegärgern sing, and seconds later, explosions rock the unfortunate hull of the rear Destroyer, followed by a peppering of smaller ones. The poor ship blows apart, scrap raining down into the water around it. Prinzessin Erika follows suit and also opens fire, raining shots all around the other Destroyer, with one seemingly over-penetrating. A few seconds later and the sole enemy ship begins turning to Port and gaining speed, and you can see crew start rushing around on her deck. You surmise you don't have much time before they start sending some kind of message out, if they haven't already.

>Load HE
>Load AP
>A mix? (Write in)

Maneuvering
>Turn in (red)
>Maintain course (green)
>Turn away (yellow)

Current speed: Ahead Half (14 kn)
>Change speed?


>Roll 1x6d100, 1x10d100 (Accuracy), 1x6d20, 1x10d20 (Penetration)

Voting will last 1-2 hours

Rolled 15, 12, 19, 18, 1, 2 = 67 (6d20)

>>5122072
Accuracy (Main Guns):
Base - 80
Large targeting small ship - +20
Night (reduced) - +5
Illuminated - -5
Range 3-4km Main Guns - -5
Early RADAR - -3

DC: 92


Accuracy (Dual Purpose):
Base - 80
Small/secondary targeting small ship - +0
Night (reduced) - +5
Illuminated - -5
Early RADAR - -3
Secondary Tower - -10

DC: 67


Penetration (Main Guns):
Base - 11
Large vs small - -18

DC: -7, 3+ overpenetrates


Penetration (Dual Purpose):
Base - 11
Small/secondary vs small - -5
Firing HE - +8

DC: 14

Rolled 89, 23, 59, 13, 9, 90 = 283 (6d100)

>>5122072
>>Load HE
>Turn in (red)

>>5122080
DCs may change depending on ammo type loaded

Rolled 30, 11, 52, 14, 82, 87, 17, 13, 86, 49 = 441 (10d100)

>>5122072
>Load HE
>Turn in (red)
Don't let it get away! Lets go Secondaries!

Rolled 96, 12, 58, 49, 42, 36, 31, 57, 33, 68 = 482 (10d100)

>>5122072

Rolled 9, 3, 4, 5, 13, 12, 18, 2, 2, 3 = 71 (10d20)

>>5122072
Load full HE and turn in. We will burn them to the ground.

>>5122080
I also forgot the bonuses from x2 guns and the range from dual purposes, baka. Good news is that it doesn't change *that* much (only 2 extra DP shots would have hit if not for my error), since you blew the shit outta that DD anyways.

ACTUAL Actual actual DCs:

Mains (acc): 89
DPs (acc): 55

>>5122072
>Load HE
>Turn in (red)

Rolled 15, 11, 4, 2, 7, 15 = 54 (6d20)

>>5122080

>>5122100
It changes things for this round though, we go from zero main guns hitting to two main guns hitting. These boats ain't got squat on us.

>>5122100
And now I applied the AA range for the DPs instead of their vs. ships bonus, which is +0. One of these days I might present you guys with a correct DC.

>>5122104
Yes it does, good thing I caught it in time

2 Main Gun hits, 3 DP hits but the DPs don't pen
>roll 1x2d10 for damage

Rolled 10, 6 = 16 (2d10)

>>5122119

>>5122120
Praise the Lord, this Destoryer patrol is no more. Glory to Ostland and her Kaiser!

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>>5122136
Tennōheika Banzai!

>>5122136
...glugluglug, splash.

What do you think lads, should we send out lifeboats for the survivors?

>>5122156
Depends if these are Shark infsted waters. But honestly I think we shouldn't.

>>5122156
We must, and we are close to shore anyway so they may be offloaded quickly

>>5122161
If this is a not-Nordsee operational environment those sailors will go hypothermic and drown well before the sharks get involved. Also it's a warcrime to leave them, and we're not a U-boat.

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>Load HE
>Turn in (red)

"Right Standard Rudder, load HE in all batteries. Don't let that thing get away!"

As your Main Guns traverse over to the other Destroyer desperately trying to turn away, the Prinzessin Erika fires off another volley, splashing rounds all around the helpless Destroyer, one landing perilously close, but none connecting. Then your secondaries begin opening up again, raining fire all around it with some bouncing HE shells off the thin armor. Finally, the big guns of Kriegärgern unleash another devastating salvo, ripping apart the final Destroyer and putting an end to this decisive encounter. Cheers are raised around the bridge.

"Praise the Lord!"

"Glory to Ostland!"

"Für den Kaiser!"

>You have had a successful first encounter! You have gained 2(+1) Morale Points
>Morale Points: 5

After the celebration died down some, Warrant Officer Maier gets your attention.

"Sir, I hate to cut short relishing our first win, but what Ouesterrans didn't get blown to smithereens out there didn't have much time to get to lifeboats before those ships rapidly sunk, and are now out there in the water. We're about 500 kilometers from the nearest shore, there's no way they'll survive if we just leave them. We should send out lifeboats to pick up who we can."

Commander Jenssens chimes in, "We would be spending even more time dallying around here than we need to. Also, who knows how long before another Ouesterran patrol comes by, or comes to check on them once they fail to report in? I hate to leave good sailors at sea, but they are our bitter enemy."

>Rescue everyone you can [Compassionate]
>Rescue the easiest to get to, then move on [Calculating]
>Waste no more time here, move on [Indifferent]
>Write in

>>5122194
Voting will last approximately 7 hours

>>5122194
>Rescue everyone you can [Compassionate]

>>5122194
>Rescue everyone you can [Compassionate]
They may be our adversaries, but every sailor's true enemy is the sea.

>>5122194
>Rescue everyone you can [Compassionate]
We may want to leave 1 ship alive if we face a large group. That way they can get their stragglers and then we won't waste time.

>>5122194
>>Rescue everyone you can [Compassionate]
Far better to be thought a gentleman corsair than a bloody minded pirate.

>>5122255
On that note, take a bunch of archive photos of the sinking ships and the lifeboats to send back with our dispatches. It'll be useful for propaganda purposes if nothing else.

>>5122194
Question to QM: How does the rest of the world see the Ouesterra-Ostland war? Are there heavily armed neutrals waiting to jump in, or are we two world spanning powers fighting for overall hegemony? Inquiring minds wanna know...

>>5122194
>>Rescue everyone you can [Compassionate]
There's rules out at sea. It's every man against the sea, no matter the nation nor the flag.

>>5122265
There are indeed heavily armed neutrals, but Ostland and Ouesterra are easily the most powerful of the bunch.

>>5122194
>>Rescue everyone you can [Compassionate]

>>5122194
>>Waste no more time here, move on [Indifferent]
sucks to suck

>>5122194
>Rescue the easiest to get to, then move on [Calculating]
If Oesterrans are this close to our territory there's gotta be something more to it. Rescuing the enemy is not our top priority here.

>>5122194
>>Rescue everyone you can [Compassionate]

>>5122194
>Waste no more time here, move on [Indifferent]

>>5122194
>Rescue everyone you can [Compassionate]
Gotta get a good record in case the war is lost so we don't get hung, also make sure to take pics for propaganda good shit.

>>5122194
>Rescue everyone you can [Compassionate]

>>5122194
>>Rescue everyone you can [Compassionate]

>>5122194
>Rescue the easiest to get to, then move on [Calculating]

>>5122194
>Rescue the easiest to get to, then move on [Calculating]
>>5122293
Very suspicious indeed.

>>5122194
>>Rescue everyone you can [Compassionate]

>>5122194
Write in
>Fire the AA guns on the survivors (War Criminal)

>>5122386
Absolut Nuremberg

>>5122386
+1
Based

>>5122194
>>Rescue the easiest to get to, then move on [Calculating]

>>5122386
+1
Sam “Butcher of Ouesterra” Hyde must be stopped.

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>>5122194
>Rescue the easiest to get to, then move on [Calculating]

>>5122386

>>5122194
>>Rescue everyone you can [Compassionate]

>>5122386
changing to this based option

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>Rescue everyone you can [Compassionate]

"They may be our adversaries, but every sailor's true enemy is the sea. We rescue everyone we can."

Janssens' face takes on a look of worry.

"Yes sir."

=======================================================

Tuesday, April 25 1254, 6:36 pm

Rescuing a couple hundred survivors from the wrecks took around two hours. The sun was rising by the time you finished, and no other ships disturbed you for the duration. You are now nearing the island nation of Cypria, and are most of the way to the shipping lanes of the Surtierra-controlled Savantes island chain.

Maiers addresses you, "If we wanted to, we could dock in a Cyprian port to refuel, or perhaps even drop off our PoWs."

"Wouldn't that expose us to being sighted by Ouesterran infiltrators?"

"If there are indeed Ouesterran infiltrators in a neutral country, I suppose. But it could very well be worth it; we're already almost a third of the way through our fuel."

"What are our alternatives?"

"We can continue sailing by, and be less likely to be detected by any 'infiltrators', or if you're that worried, we can take a route that avoids Cypria, but that would take slightly longer."

Jansses advises, "We could also hold onto these until we pick up more enemy sailors, then dump them all off at once, perhaps in the Savantes. Or we could just hold onto them until we make it back to Ostland, but that might eat into our supplies some. Maybe if things go well enough, we could convince command to send out a supply ship to keep us out here and take back these prisoners with them."

Fuel: 1174/1500

>Dock in Cypria to refuel
>Dock in Cypria to refuel and unload your prisoners
>Pass by Cypria
>Chart a course around Cypria
>Write in


Tomorrow is a busy day for me, so I might not be able to get out an update until this time tomorrow, maybe around 3-5pm EST if things work out. Voting open until then.

I keep getting signed out and forced to redo maps from scratch since the map tool doesn't recognize me as the one who made it, and I'm starting to get tired of the spaghetti code. I might be changing map tools soon, and that may reduce the visual quality of these maps going forward, but I really do not feel like remaking these from almost scratch every time I update.

>>5122784
>Dock in Cypria to refuel and unload your prisoners
Might as well.

>>5122784
>>Dock in Cypria to refuel

We can probably get more food to feed our extra mouths as well. If we leave them in a neutral port I don't think the authorities will be too happy.

>>5122784
>>Pass by Cypria

>>5122784
>Dock in Cypria to refuel and unload your prisoners
Considering how close we are to Questerra the discovery of our mission is a matter of sooner rather than later. There shouldn't be much lost by dropping the prisoners off.

>>5122909
+1

>>5122784
>>Dock in Cypria to refuel and unload your prisoners

>>5122784
>Chart a course around Cypria

>>5122784
>Dock in Cypria to refuel and unload your prisoners

Less of a pain to drop them off. Hell, the less time they have to go over the internal layout and mechanisms the better.

>>5123043
>the less time they have to go over the internal layout and mechanisms the better.

They're all probably imprisoned in a specific location on the ship.

>>5122784
>Dock in Cypria to refuel

>>5122784
>Dock in Cypria to refuel and unload your prisoners

>>5122784
>Dock in Cypria to refuel and unload your prisoners

>>5122784
>>Dock in Cypria to refuel

>>5122784
>Dock in Cypria to refuel and unload your prisoners

>>5122784
>Dock in Cypria to refuel and unload your prisoners

>>5122784
>Chart a course around Cypria
We can return later once we sunk a few more ships

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>Dock in Cypria to refuel and unload your prisoners

"We will dock in Cypria for refueling and to unload our prisoners. We won't need to worry about any problems they might cause while aboard, and they're going to know of our mission shortly anyways."

=======================================================

Wednesday, April 26 1254, 4:45 pm

You're just about topped off on fuel, and you just loosed the prisoners onto the island. The native Cyprians didn't look very pleased about it, but the prisoners are their problem now.

You're making preparations to set off again when you're approached by Warrant Officer Maier.

"Captain Lutjens, big news from command! The Ouesterrans have launched an invasion of Kreta!"

Distressed murmurs echo around the bridge.

This was not good news. Firstly, should they succeed in capturing the island, it gave Ouesterrans a forward operating base disturbingly close to Ostland. Second, it meant there was already likely a sizable fleet deployed somewhere in the ocean, which might divert some or all of its forces to you sometime in the future. It might also make it more difficult to return to Ostland by going north, especially if they installed an airbase on there.

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>>5124012
"How far out are the shipping lanes from here?"

"At standard speeds, we should be there around midnight sir."

>Wait until dark to set off for the shipping lanes
>Set off immediately
>Something else? (Write in)

Vote will last approximately 12 hours

>>5124014
>>Set off immediately

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>>5124014
>>Set off immediately.
Perfect time to raid the sea-lanes. Let's just hope we don't get caught by a larger force in the dark....

>>5124012
>Set off immediately

Hope we can catch some of the invasion supplies, give the boys on the island a better shot.

>>5124014
>>Set off immediately

>>5124014
>Set off immediately
Well we do have the night fighter perk and also radar so this is perfect.