Acting Arch Dominus and Primarch TalOS has succeeded in his crusade against the Plastoids. At this moment the only records of the Xenos even existing are within the Cogitators upon Lucius and whatever battle scars were left on the planet after their invasion. Now TalOS must make a decision as well as set forth to conquer the stars, as both his blood and deity demanded he does. ++The Rules++>Vote with Greentext, otherwise they probably won’t be accepted.>Write-ins can be accepted, and might even be used in the final without majority rule.Previous Threads:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=The%20Machine%20QM
The smell of incense clouded the air, so much so that it without any form of augmented sight one could not see through it. The sounds of thousands of cogitators running carried along through the room as they thought about the information presented. You can say, along with these machines thinking, there was a tension within the room that would break at any moment. None would dare make a move though. None would dare take an action lest they incur the wrath of the Fabricator General of Lucius, and thus by extension, the entire Forge World. None held as much authority as the one who was so old that his name was lost among the unforgotten records of the Mechanicus. The Fabricator General stood at the highest point within the room. Underneath him and flanking one another were the numerous men and women who made up the High Court of Lucius. Each and every one of them, ranging from the Arch Genetor R3KT to the Arch Magos K00LT were all leaders of near continent size pacts. Two of their number were missing however. The seats for the leader of Lucius’s Defense Arch Dominus J0LT and leader of the Legio Titanicus Arch Magos ADM1N were both missing from their seats. That was because one of them was dead, lost in an ambush performed by the Plastoids against the incoming fleet. The one who currently acted as his replacement, Acting Arch Dominus TalOS, stood at the center of the courtroom for the third time in his lifetime. As for the Arch Magos ADM1N, he stood next to Arch Dominus TalOS. Five minutes ago he had released a series of data packages on behalf of the Arch Dominus that pertained to their activities during the Crusade. TalOS, and by extension ADM1N, were both confident at the completeness of the package sent to their judges. Both of them had worked tirelessly to create a perfect piece of work that would shock and wow almost anyone who looked at it over the month of travel they all experienced. Sadly TalOS knew it was an almost, as while the Fabricator General and his direct vassals probably appreciated the effort none of them would have been dazzled by the work done. They would however be given a clear picture of the events that transpired.
The first voice to carry itself through the low buzz of cogitators was that of the Fabricator General himself, +As vocal confirmation is needed to solidify the authenticity of what was given; Can it be confirmed that the Plastoids are now Extinct?+ TalOS took in a breath and then let out one. He knew this question was going to come up and he needed to give it, +As far as their home world and whatever remained, they are. While there are surely those who tried to get off world the records in file 687.03 shows that there were no teleportation occurrences after their army’s defeat.+ The Fabricator General did not nod to that but the feeling that the answer was accepted reach TalOS in an odd feeling. Next up was one of the Arch Magos, +So there is no evidence where the Ark Mechanicus Lucius has ended up?+ +That is correct Arch Magos S3PT.+ Upon those words came a great sadness that was carried through each and every Tech Priest. That ship was the Primogeniture of the Forge World. It was what brought Lucius here! By all means it was the most Holy of Artifacts that Mechanicum of this planet had. And it was gone. A ship that would roughly be described as their planet’s father was gone. This time it was Arch Genetor R3KT who spoke, +Fabricator General, I am to note on section 265.73 that there is an accusation of Tech Heresy levied against be marked as unsubstantiated. It is obvious that what happened was both blessed by the Machine God and was necessary to retake Onus Probandi.+ +This shall be given to a vote. Place your votes into the Court’s Machine Spirit.+ Declared the Fabricator General among his throne. A series of transmissions were given upon that command. TalOS held his breath for just a moment as they all went through, however he was already aware of his fate even before the words were spoken. +Of the High Court, Seven has declared the motion to have pass with two others susbstaning. I shall confirm this ruling, thus this label of Heretek is unsubstantiated.+ Declared the Fabricator General with what TalOS noted was a few strands of happiness, +Acting Arch Dominus TalOS DAV1S, upon taking over you have drastically lowered the amount of casualties and succeeded in completing the war. You shall henceforth be given the Honorary Titles of ‘Exterminator of the Plastoids’, ‘Lord of the Plastoid Crusade’, and along with all others who participated the title of ‘Crusader’.+TalOS brought his chest forward upon hearing what amounted to his awards for the Crusade.
That was the tense part of the current session, TalOS knew. He was now a decorated hero that held little equal. However the fact was that the session was not done yet and TalOS expected the reason why. +Fabricator General.+ Declared Genetor R3KT as he rose from his seat, +Before you ask for the Acting Arch Dominus we must still determine the replacement of Arch Dominus J0LT. As far as our records show, all sanctioned either died in the Crusade or do not hold the sheer experience that Acting Arch Dominus TalOS has. I wish to bring to the floor the possibility that the Acting Arch Dominus be formally adopted into the position.+ TalOS guessed this was going to happen, and doubly so that it would come out of the mouth of the Arch Genetor. +The Dominus is still young, so young that if he was a baseline human he would not be in the Priesthood!+ Declared an Arch Enginseer K33KT. TalOS noted that he held some weight being the one who owns a considerable amount of the Star Forges upon Lucius. +Arch Enginseer, the Acting Arch Dominus holds with him more experience in warfare than any of the Dux Domini who stayed upon Lucius. Age does not matter if the quality of experience is several times more than all others.+ +I would need to agree with the Arch Genetor.+ Pointed out one of the other Magos who held office, +The Acting Arch Dominus has proven himself responsible, and holds a military force comparable to his predecessor. He would make a much better replacement than all of those who stayed behind.+ +But he does not hold any forges to his name.+ Pointed out another Magos, +Currently his soldiers are being kept afloat through the patronage of the Fabricator General. While I trust the Acting Arch Dominus to defend us, he does not have experience in operating the numerous forges that he would inherit.+ Indeed that was the case. Most of the time forges would not be passed by blood but by apprenticeship. A master, if he were to die, would trust his apprentice with the workings of his forge for the apprentice knew the secret workings. This would include a network of alliances and tithes that would need to be fulfilled for TalOS to do anything. However, as of yet to be spoken, TalOS had a desire to move forward in conquest. If he was careful about it he might be able to modify the numerous contracts to further this desire, making it faster. However after that he might not be able to do exactly what he wants, meaning he might need to make a request for an old position to be reinstated. >Inherit the rank of Arch Dominus>Ask for the reinstatement of Arch Explorator>Lets not do this for now and ask for a delay>Decline this ascension, TalOS does have lots to learn.
>>5098710>>Ask for the reinstatement of Arch ExploratorIt gets around the experience issue and avoids making enemies, plus we can make our own foreword, with cyberjack and toaster hookers
>>5098710>Ask for the reinstatement of Arch Explorator
>>5098718And then we go for MarsThough desu I think we should practice politics. . .
>>5098710>Inherit the Rank of Arch DominusI cant think of any Primarch who didnt naturally accept this sort of promotion, even young, when presented. It's what we were made to do, advance and rule. We absolutely shouldn't underestimate a Primarch
>>5098710>Inherit the rank of Arch Dominus
>>5098710>Ask for the reinstatement of Arch ExploratorSPACE
>>5098710>>Ask for the reinstatement of Arch ExploratorYo Interex, where you at?
Guys, hear me out why we should go Arch DominusWe can reorganize and boost both the effectiveness, production and the territory of Lucius, possibly even expand its void territory and holdings. We firmly secure our status as knowledgeable, experienced and capable of rule as well as imbibe upon the gathered knowledge of an entire planet.With improved resources can build and upgrade the fleet, be like Guilliman, send out more than just one exploratory expedition but several to look for interesting leadings as well as obtain resupply more easily.THEN when we are satisfied that we have laid the foundations for a small empire, we can explore space again, with a much larger and more well equipped fleet and assign someone we find competent to be Acting Arch-Dominus while we take on the role of Arch Explorator again.
>>5098800> This would include a network of alliances and tithes that would need to be fulfilled for TalOS to do anything. My issue with getting HIS forges
>>5098809We better get good at gaining alliances and politics if we mean to stem the tide of the Dark Mechanicus and rise to Mars. And I think we will be desu. It's in our nature.I hope I'm not alone in that I wanna see us saving the Admech from Civil War or at least being there tip the scales on Mars with our sons.
>>5098800All good points, however let me present mine:Space is cool.
>>5098829yeah, but it will be harder to go from arch Explorator to fabricator general than Arch Dominus to fabricator general. also, we can better equip or produce more acilians (so we don't have to bum of the fabricator general) using our own resources.
I should go ahead and lay out what I am planning on here. Going Arch Dominus means you guys inherit a framework of the previous 'Commander in Chief'. This fellow was able to put together a Crusade force after all, and had probably millions under his name before the Ark Mechanicus was destroyed. This does mean however you will need to work out each of his subjects in ways of protection and tithe. I would think this to be faster, since things are made up already, but comes with baggage.Going Arch Explorator means you guys are starting fresh, without any of the ties but you hold the Title. If any of you played CK2/3 your essentially a Vassal King who can vassalize/negotiate contracts. Simply put you guys can attack here in a multitude of ways, ranging from being 'Venture Capitalist from the Age of Exploration' to 'An Arch Dominus in all but name'.You guys will probably need to make Feudal Contracts either way. Right now you have resources like the Acillian and a Primarch Knowledge, all of which is valuable to a Forge, just that becoming an Arch Dominus you can probably get Skitarii too.
>>5098846>Simply put you guys can attack here in a multitude of ways, ranging from being 'Venture Capitalist from the Age of Exploration' to 'An Arch Dominus in all but name'.What would you call a House style "I have control of the most powerful mechanisms in this region, a superior basis of resource and industry and technology, and am also very charismatic and an unparalleled logistician">Going Arch Dominus means you guys inherit a framework of the previous 'Commander in Chief'. I kinda like this because:A- We will be respecting, honoring and continuing his legacy. As many Primarchs have done on other worldsB- It will give us experience uniting disparate groups and entities into a single force, as is our Father, and as we will need to do if we are to bring other Forge Worlds into the foldStill going Arch Explorer doesn't sound too bad. It just sounds like it is going to cost us much more time.
>>5098849>Mr. House StyleBeing the leader of the Legio Titanica or Fabricator General. Both of these positions allow access to world ending machines.
>>5098846Question, Wouldn't like even 1/3'rd our knowledge be worth its weight in forges to the Fab General himself?
>>5098853Not yet, you gotta realize that any Fabricator General has been alive for a few millennia. You do have him beat in Genetics Research right now though and he will never match the Flesh Crafter of Lucius. Once you leave the planet and start learning everything around just the Gothic Sector you will soundly beat him in knowledge.
>>5098857Damn, He really do big brain.
>>5098710>Inherit Arch DominusGot a sizable baseline that we can skim through. Once that is ready, we can take control of Lucius and expand skyward through the FG's cooperation
Alright guys, here's us at the current moment. Using some standard pinchy mechadendrites that can easily be exchanged for other tool bits surely.Working on the armor again too.
>>5098849I don't think it would, there is a knight world right outside Lucius, Ditonis.It's a world devided between two warring knight houses, meaning that they are open for unification, and us beign also a princep, but one of a titan, and being a magus are at the perfect position to do so.The arch dominus is the slow option, the explorator is the yolo one.
>>5098903And why do I think it would be slower by the way? Because although it would have resources, we would be tied down to Lucius and our responsabilities there.Our "crusade" would only start after we spent time in the planet micromamaging everything.
>>5098893It's great so far, I appreciate that you added more cloth since it makes it look more tech priest. It feels like the robes are a bit tight though, is there a way you could make the cloth look a bit baggier?
>>5098748Changing my vote to>Inherit the rank of Arch DominusNot because I think it's the best course of action, but because I worry that AL3X will get it if we don't.Now I need to go to sleep.
>>5098710>Inherit the rank of Arch DominusMy dumb ass almost forgot to put in my vote
>Inherit the rank of Arch DominusWe shall go to space later once we take over everything, Primarch style.
>>5098710>Ask for the reinstatement of Arch ExploratorPrefer the new start.
>>5098710Ask for the reinstatement of Arch Explorator"Fellows and Superiors, i would ask that you reinstate the position of Arch Explorator! I know that this is a lot to ask of you, as it would put vital ressources away from the reconstruction and betterment of the ForgeWorld, but i see it as not only a need, but a Necessity for the continued survival of our Home. We were taken by surprise, by a foe that we had thought long dead and i fear that this may occur once again! This can not, nay, I Will Not allow that to happen again! So please, my Brothers and Sisters of the Mechanicus, send me out into the void! allow me to go forth and seek for knowledge and understanding! to seek and destroy our foes before they can take action against us! I ask of you this, not for the purpose of personal gain, but rather, to bring Prosperity and Knowledge for all of Us!"
>>5098893Looking good!Why, we almost look like we are ready to fight Spider-man!
>>5099141Doesn't exist sadly, but we could Konrad Kurse?I want pictures of the Nighthaunter!
>>5099235>>5099141If we defeat the Megarachnidman, we will be hailed as the hero of the Interex.
>>5098710>Inherit Arch Dominus
Big Boosts for JumpingOr long boost for hover speeding forward Dawn of War 1 style
>>5099371As long as it's not DoW 3 blackflipping marines, it's good with me.
Well, we are quite tied at the moment, so if someone wants to break it here in the next hour or so that would be great.
>>5099497I think we actually have more for Dominus since somebody changed their vote.Or did I miscount
>>5099497If we are tied, you can disregard my change in vote to keep it moving.I only did it because I worried AL3X would inherit all the forges, not because I wanted to do it anyway.
>>5098718>>5098720>>5098728>>5098746>>5098775>>5098791>>5099183>>5099140Exploratory is 8>>5098728>>5098734>>5098834>>5098869>>5098934>>5099051>>5099122>>5099249DominiHuh. 8.
>>5098710>>Inherit the rank of Arch DominusWe'll want the prebuilt industrial base to maximize our gains before Daddy inevitably finds us and we have to worry about integrating out Acillians with more typical Astartes. (Hopefully as Techmarines and Officers)
>>5099569Well shit, I counted myself both in indecisive and in domini, guess idiot was the right term to use afterall.
>>5099576>(Hopefully as Techmarines and Officers)Which themselves will be a stop gap measure, while we focus on mass education of our legion.Until the day everyone is a TechMarine
>>5099569I don't think I voted yet.
>>5099582Than do it anon, let your voice be heard! No one is too dumb to vote, as proven by me.
>>5098710>Inherit the Rank of Arch DominusIt sucks and takes a long ass time to start from scratch. We'd need support either way, may as well have an industrial base to jump off of.
I still want to go explore and establish a Offworld tho... What if by doing so we can discover what truly happened to the plastoids?What if we encounter other lost human worlds and aerotech. Man I'm already regretting votting.
>>5099588It's SpaceIt ain't going anywhereIt's nice to go exploring with a fleet behind your back, rather than a few shipsPlus, let's do some tinkering so we can go there fully prepared for Space Bear.Maybe we can even make our very own Artificier Armor, then upgrade it to be even better once we regain contact with Mars and our Father.
>>5099593It's just QM has said we are on a time limit plenty of times, it makes me worried that if we don't go now we are going to miss cool shit.Atleats that is my worry, I can't read the other anon's mind.
Arch Explorator 7 because of a changed vote>>5098718>>5098720>>5098746>>5098775>>5098791>>5099129>>5099183Arch Dominus 10 votes>>5098728>>5098734>>5098834>>5098869>>5098934>>5099051>>5099122>>5099249>>5099576>>5099586
*WIP for TalOS dream suit**Uploading Weapons 36.583%*Currently:Custom Artificier Terminator ArmorCustom Jump Pack*>Able to both do big short leaps or hover the whole body for charging forward*Iron Halo Conversion Field + Supplemental Shoulder Mounted ReinforcersRight Hand:Custom Underslung Torsion Cannon + "Truth" Omni-Axe Bayonet Attachment*>Can also maintain a target in place by not rotating the Gaol-Field rings, perfect for holding something in place and then skewering them with the Omni-Axe. TalOS can calibrate the beam to be so precise it also functions as a can-opener!*Left Hand:Underslung Eradication BeamerOverslung Twin-Linked Eradication Ray*>Note to self: Upgrade to Metallican Omni-Sterilize variant when encounter said forge world*I wonder if Lucius has enough resources to make this partially or completely happen
>>5099631Those guns are just so large. I love it.
>>5099634You might convince the Squats to join Lucius just on principle.
>>5099638Based, they were done dirty.
>>5099659To be fair, having your entire species be on a single subsector and a handful of planets rather than being scattered out and about the Galaxy was never the wisest idea when it comes to survivability.Still it lasted for 10,000 years and they even got praise by Russ, but one bad turn was all it took.But maybe we can save them in the long run by convincing them to have a mining colony in our empire
>>5099668Oh,I woyld have accepted then being wipeout, and the remaining being absorbed into the imperium due to nescessity.It's the teleporting bugs killing them all to the last man, and than retconning the retcon later that pissed me off.
>>5099634Question QMSo in designing this thing, part me of wants to for the moment go for weapons we can currently produce on Lucius. Ideally, so far I think most of what is drawn can.There are some things I wonder if we, in our great and brilliant mind, or at least maybe conferring with the Ark Mechanicus Lucius for STC fragments can attempt to replicate, even if in a cruder version.For example, Aegis Energy Blades. The STC fragments and the crystals to manufacture it were discovered by the Cult of Sollex in the Calixis sector. But if we put our minds to it, could we try and recreate the concept? The ones from the STC might be more compact or advanced perhaps, better, but is mimicking the notion of it possible?
>>5099692This is a late game design and theory crafting. I would suggest you make him as insane as you want as you once again convince your fellows whether or not you want the badass things.
They all continued to talk to one another in an attempt to figure out if TalOS was a good fit for the job. Around him the numerous Tech Priests who came here continued their chatter on the semi-private chat networks that discussed much the same thing. After all, numerous Forges had relied upon the previous Arch Dominus for protection from both Mutants and up-start Tech Priests thinking they can forcibly change the order of things. Deciding that he was not going to let his fate be controlled by others TalOS started to speak through his vox unit, +Lords of the High Court! Give me permission to speak for my very fate!+ To everyone’s surprise the words that were just spoken had cut through the air and caught each of their attention. Something like that was not to be understated as only the Fabricator General could have performed such a feat. +The permissions are given.+ Declared the Fabricator General who was silenced for the entire discussion. +Thank you, Fabricator General.+ TalOS answered back as he opened his arms and Mechnrites, +Brothers and Sisters of the Priest Hood, before we have been struck unawares by an enemy who we did not know of. They had infiltrated our society and forges, from which they both planned and launched an attack upon our homes!+ TalOS began moving now as he spoke from one group to another all about the courtroom, +Through the decision of the Machine Spirits I was chosen to lead the Crusade, for which I have succeeded in completely annihilating the Xenos from this region of the Galaxy. If I am to inherit the rank of Arch Dominus from Arch Dominus J0LT, I will make my damndest sure that any who have ever even thought about conquering Lucius finds us upon their atmosphere first.+ There was a moment where chatter began to break out in all forms. Even when the answer was upon the Horizon the Tech Priests began to wonder what kind of solutions TalOS were to present to them. That was the nature of Tech Priests after all was to try their best to attain comprehension. +Priests of the Machine God, upon inheriting the title of Arch Dominus I aim to attack the numerous stars around us and face off against all who are upon them. The Warp Storms are finished after all, if we do not go forward and meet out enemies we will just be sitting here for them to destroy!+ TalOS declared to those present. Those words were enough to get a nice rile out of all present and even across the planet. TalOS was aware of previous attempts to do the same thing, including the rumors of an entire Forge World being established just a small ways from Lucius. However to move forward militarily and conquer in the same of security was something none considered.
To say the High Court was momentarily stunned was an understatement. Each and every one of them, even his sponsor Arch Genetor R3KT was surprised by both the presence TalOS exhumed and the sheer audacity of an idea that was given. However even if that idea broke a majority of previous thoughts the Arch Genetor was able to pick up on it, +It is as the Acting Arch Dominus says, we need to take a preemptive strike against our foes! Unlike any other attempts before this date the Warp Storms have cleared up and we now host the Acillians!+ +We still only host 977 Acillians, while they are an excellent supplement to a force it does not guarantee we can use them to that extent.+ Another of the Arch Magos answered back with a good bit of skepticism. +Our current Genepool is narrow and does not host enough for a true ramp-up of production.+ Pointed out the Genetor with a glint in his mechanical eyes, +If we were to track down other human planets and sift through their populations the amount of soldiers can approach even Hundreds of Thousands.+ Now that was something no one expected to hear outright. Yes the Forge World of Lucius had millions of Skitarii even now but all present had seen the results of the Acillians. Some feared this was giving too much power to a single person, others were buying into the philosophy of defensive conquest. Some, even now, caught themselves drooling at the prospect of the unspoken amounts of knowledge that were just beyond the stars. Before everyone was worried about the prospect of an inexperienced Tech Priest taking the reins of the planet’s military. Now they were buying into the idea of breaking out into the stars for both knowledge and security. +I hereby call a vote.+ The Fabricator General declared to those present, +Place your votes.+ TalOS and all the Tech Priests present watched as the High Council placed their votes into the systems. The results were in immediately, showing that 75% of the Council voted in favor of confirming TalOS as the next Arch Dominus and heir to the legacy of Arch Dominus J0LT. Few voted against, with Arch Magos ADM1N abstaining from the vote. +Arch Dominus TalOS DAV1D, the High Court have confirmed your position.+ However just as the result was given TalOS looked over to see the Arch Magos giving a reluctant but calm nod of approval.
The Court Session was over and TalOS was given a data package of immense size. TalOS had only a few seconds to screen through it as he realized it was the records of property with ownership rights belonging to the previous Arch Dominus. It took TalOS a whole ten minutes to go through the plethora of information in order to make two cents of it all. Among the package was a note as well. TalOS read over just a few scripts of its code before realizing what it was asking for and started his way over. It was in fact a location that he once before was called to, though this time the positions were much different. Traveling from the High Court TalOS did not need to go very far, since the courthouse was the direct property of the Fabricator General himself. Within minutes of his leave TalOS was given a face full of heat and steel as he entered the Manufactorium of the Highest Ranking individual of Lucius. The Fabricator General was already there, showing a perfect understanding of his lands. The smaller man nodded as Arch Dominus TalOS ascended the steps to confront the person who called him there. Even as TalOS bowed he was larger than the Fabricator General though worry of this did not come through the old man’s voice, +Raise your head, Arch Dominus TalOS.+ TalOS did as he was instructed, looking down upon the closer to human form the Fabricator General had. +Congratulations.+ The Fabricator General’s first words were as he made a sweeping motion with his hands, +Accelerating through the ranks faster than any thought possible, you are near the age of ten years already and yet you hold greater power than those who have lived for hundreds of years. However now you must confirm that power and make sure it goes towards your goal.++I take it you have called me for that reason?+ The Fabricator General nodded, +As you no doubt know you shall be giving me Skitarii to protect my forges while I transfer to you both your permit to recruit and numerous pieces of resources. If today we agreed to for you to lend me more, then I can give you 1.75 times the original agreement between me and Arch Dominus J0LT.+ TalOS didn’t even need a second to realize he was asking for the Acillians. As the Fabricator General there was no reason for him not to get first dibs on the army that he in fact financed. Though did TalOS want to allow his sons to be used as garrison troops and pawns for TalOS’s own schemes. TalOS would never give the rights to a single Acillian away, but he can lend them to others. >You shall get the Acillians, a garrison of twenty five should be plenty to deter anyone.>Fabricator General, remember in my report about the Gellar Field? >We shall keep the same agreement for now, maybe another time.
You guys can always write in as well. This is going to be a contract confirmation after all.
>>5099731What's the geller field argument?I don't see it's relevance
>>5099744You can try and sell him the secrets to Gellar Field technology.
>>5099731>Show to him the creations of our acillians, and our proposal on how they develop new technology. Our son's martial prowess is but the tip of their value. If we are to lend our acillians, we should work together to ensure all of their talents are used.>Fabricator General, remember in my report about the Gellar Field?
>>5099747I feel like that should be offered anyway.>>5099731>Offer him the secrets of the geller field in exchange for greater resources. If the old man knows what he wants [the ancillians] then give him the information anyway with the understanding of a favor/smoothing along the beurocratics of our ancillian creation plan and the garrison of 25 for the resources.This way we don't part with our sons, and if he is a canny diplomat then we can still profit from it without seeming to hold back knowledge that we don't really have any buissness keeping to ourselves.
>>5099751if he gets our sons, we will have to brief him on their abilities and quirks.
>>5099751To clarify my vote, I'm trying to get him to recognise that they aren't only super skitarii, but a skitarii magus combination as well, so they are even more valuable.Maybe if he would sponsor the tech comitee and the studies of some of the more bright, and in exchange he reaps some of the benefits.Also trying to make a new structure where we can coordinate the acillians that work with him with ours, maybe with a part that is retainer and one that rotates.Something like the Varagian guard maybe? Mercenaries but loyal.
>>5099762This is a deal, we have to brief him before to drive the price up.
So QMWhich is the better interpretation in your opinion>This is all being spoken in Binary/Closed Loop Telecomm and is to be considered a translation of concepts and ideas of pure data given written form for the viewer>Forgeworld Lucius has not abandoned the fine art of conventional communication, while still retaining the means to conduct matters in more efficient binary, prefer high level decisions and councils to be done in verbal for the sake of tradition and culture
>>5099731>Write InFabricator general, I sense mutual opportunity available.My Acillians are more than just soldiers and fighters. I intend for each and every one of them to be gifted in the arts of technology, logistics and the holy sciences. Their enhanced congition is a weapon unto its own, and that is before any cybernetic augmentations.I offer you 25 Acillians, but with the request that they be provisioned with resources and education of the Legio Cybernetica such that they can learn how to manage and control such robots. I furthermore ask they be granted permission to modify existing protocols and designs (within what is permissible by the law of Cult Mechanicus) so as to improve and boost the blessed machines under their tenure.Think how a single techpriest might use such robots or servitors in defense, establishing patrols, preparing weapons positions and defensive barriers. A body in spacetime may only exist in one place at the same time, but the powers of the mind can extend beyond if given the limbs and means to do so.To further emphasize my commitment to a most glorious relationship, I also offer you some substantial research in Gellar Field technology I have uncovered.TL;DR>Offer him 25 Acillians as garrison under the stipulation we be allowed to craft them into the best damn garisson troops there are. Defensive specialists, with tools, equipped to manipulate Cybernetica and Servitors as sappers, labour, and additional firepower>Fabricator General, remember in my report about the Gellar Field?
>>5099780It is Binary is with the full comprehension, however I would think it'd be kinda foolish to think no one would be able to lie using it. Even the admech have their Charlatans after all who stay under the radar. However anything with the +...+ is assumed to be performed in the Binary.
>>5099772>>5099770Ah, I see.Yes, yes. Driving up the price is a good one. . but it can't be in material gains, since to make use of our sons, he needs to provide resources for them to work with.Possibly use the good will and favourtism to set up our kids, as >>5099807 suggests and then give us perfect leave to apply their findings in the wider force of our sons.
>>5099817Hmm. Perhaps some tutorship from the fabricator general, when he has a spare slot or something?but that may be encroachment on his time. . . but will also let us solidify our hold on his office, if he trusts them implicitly.
>>5099821Well, we can always suggest they are more than capable of helping him in nearly any sort of help he might want.Be it defense, research, exploration, and such.But since he is asking for garrison troops, I believe allowing them to focus on defense would be wise.
>>5099731Fuck it I'll back these two>>5099807>>5099751
Another addition: >Fist of the Uncreator - Instead of just a traditional Techmarine claw, TalOS installed a fully functional upscaled arm which is in actuality a much more powerful version of the Gauntlet of the Uncreator, which he uses to both repair equipment and reverese engineer new finds. >Custom Graviton Hammer - Modified so as to be smaller and allow the Fist of the Uncreator better flexibility, yet still every bit as effectiveTalOS:"In a way that my good brother will appreciate, allow me to posit this:Theoretical: 'in the pursuit of harnessing the blessings of the Motive Force, where one may be tempted to seek only the mysteries of particle and waveform, it must not be forgotten that the simple, pure kinetic potential is also part the Motive Force'Practical: 'sometimes, I like to punch things'"
>>5099952>TalOS also keeps up the appearance that the Arm can only mimick the movement of the hand, keeping up the appearance in most situations>Should any foe be so powerful and dangerous as to warrant engaging him in CQC, they will be gravely disillusioned if they imagine by pinning or harming his right hand they have disabled the arm.>"It never hurts to keep a good left hook in your back pocket, just in case"
>>5099952I only have 3 things to sayRock em Sock em RobotsYaoi handsFapping armNow that the jokes are out of the way, good job
>>5100193You forgot robot wars
Yeah I know there were more votes but these were the overall desire of the people. >>5099807>>5099751
+That is indeed a valuable offer, one that I consider is quite the exchange if I am to be honest.+ TalOS admitted as he pondered over the words of the Fabricator General, +However, my Lord, I feel that you are underestimating the capabilities of the Acillian.+ Those words seemed to have intrigued the person quite enough, the Fabricator General giving a motion of the hand asking for the explanation to continue. +Unlike Skitarii my sons have proven themselves to be quite intelligent. All of them have shown to have endemic memories, recalling everything that has happened to them as well as recalling all tactics that were fed to them. With such a powerful mind I feel leaving them to be simple garrison troops to be something of a waste.+ TalOS pointed out with a form of confidence, +I ask of you to not only use them for Garrison, but those who wish it to be trained by in your art of Cybernetica.+ +So you do not just seek resources from me, but knowledge.+ It was for a moment but TalOS could tell the years that weighed upon the Fabricator General almost fall off as he spoke those words, +However the knowledge of my Wafers and Protocols are valuable, especially for the purposes of security.+ TalOS gave a solemn nod understanding clearly what he meant, +You remember the report I gave, how it talked about knowledge I gleaned from the Gellar Field’s Machine Spirit?+ The oldest man on the planet gave a solemn nod to those words. +I will give them to you, a full transcript and analysis in return for you personally training my sons in the art of the Cybernetica.+ There was a moment’s pause as the Fabricator General worked. Venerated Machine Spirits clouded his mind with calculations that all likely pointed in different directions for him to take. However such knowledge was something he could not deny. +Very well, Arch Dominus TalOS. Grant me the secrets of the Gellar Field and I shall grant to your sons my knowledge. I cannot guarantee each of them will be trained by me.+ The Fabricator General wisely declared, +But I know if I teach just one of your sons, all present could easily learn it from them with a near hundred percent accuracy.+ With those words the two quickly created a contract between one another. Numerous pieces of information about who and what would be done were given. Upon the verification with perfect coherence was shared between the two, the document was ‘signed’.
Each domain of the Mechanicum held its own form of production. Some would specialize in the formation of electricity while others would specialize in the creation of special armaments. Some still would focus on shipyards or the gathering of minerals. As TalOS approached the facility of the previous Arch Dominus he reviewed the records and found out what exactly the previous Arch Dominus specialized in creating. The production of Skitarii. That was the main reason why the Manufactorium that was to be TalOS’s was so odd. While it was attached to a small city the Forge itself had situated itself between some of the largest cities upon Lucius. One thousand five hundred humans would be trafficked to the facility where they would remain for a better part of a month. After the month was up they would be shipped out to the numerous Barracks that TalOS now owned across the planet as full fledged Skitarii. IT can be said that TalOS now stood at the highest point of an enormous pyramid of production practices. This Forge was something of a final assembly where the production of Skitarii were finished, while his vassal forges would make a majority of the parts necessary for their creation. Underneath them were their own vassal forges who delivered a series of materials to them. This was not the full scope however. At numerous vital parts of production TalOS now held a near monopoly. For example, the permit to acquire none-villainous humans for production was something only he held and all those he gave permission to. It went as far as, during emergencies, TalOS could essentially kidnap people off the streets in order to meet wartime quotas. TalOS noted that these permissions have yet to be revoked from the time the Crusade was declared. It seemed the Fabricator General believed in TalOS’s cause and decided that Lucius was still officially at war. Now Forge Master, TalOS walked into his personal Manufactorium with an inquisitive eye. At every point there were plenty of people working to either give final assembly to parts or placing the parts upon the newly made soldiers. These humans were doing the Machine God’s work, though TalOS could not help but notice that many of their vitals seemed to be much worse than is optimal for a normal human. Something to possibly look into, though TalOS knew that he was going to be a lot more busy here soon.
Within minutes of his arrival numerous Acillians began to flood the Manufactorium. Within minutes the entire place was under the direct command of Mitarii AL4N, who was happily chatting up what TalOS recognized to be the current Marshal of the local Skitarii forces. As the Acillians came in TalOS himself was ascending to the datacenter of the entire Manufactorium. This area was obviously the main office of his predecessor, giving him a clean view across the numerous pieces of parts of assembly. TalOS had noted a few places that prepared Skitarii were stopping in a modestly long line waiting to get through. Bottlenecks. There were a plethora of them about the place that his eyes could see. Each of them a much deeper issue that had their numerous origins such as stock shortages to not having enough equipment in order to get the job done. TalOS had one of his mechanrites stick themselves into the systems and began to address the numerous problems of the place. These were quickly identified and compared to each of the other Manufactoriums that made up almost all the Skitarii forces that were made on this planet. It seems that the gathering and processing of humans had hit the highest possible. There was no possibility TalOS could bring in more humans to be turned into Skitarii unless he were to open new factories. This of course was a suboptimal solution as it would take away capital that TalOS will surely need to start acquiring Voidships. Next up was of course seeing about improving equipment. With his mind TalOS was surely going to be able to improve the capacity tenfold, but it would take around a week for his designs to be distributed throughout just this Forge Complexe. Then again it can be a simple case where there needs to be a complete overhal of the process. If it was possible to shrink the amount of tasks this Forge had to do through changing the operation of assembly to an improved version TalOS would be able to do just that using this place as a guinea pig. Anything he came up with would surely be approved as he was the Arch Dominus, which held considerably more weight. Lastly, there were some issues with the humans themselves who worked in his factories. At the end, if TalOS would get more Skitarii, that would mean he can get more materials for both his coming Crusade and not need to use as many of his Sons as bargaining chips. >>The more you pick the more time its gonna take. >Improve the Machinery>Take a look at the method>Give workers rights.
>>5100742>>Improve the Machinery>>Take a look at the methodSpecifically, if we can improve the survival rate and quality of the output, even if the quota might suffer slightly, its worth it imo
>>5100742>Improve the machinery>Improve the methodEffectively, we want to increase quality and overhaul the production line to increase our efficiency. When these two rise, our output is happy.
>>5100742>Improve the Machinery>Take a look at the methodrights can come later when we are more secure in our position.
>>5100765It's martian doctrine that the workers are doing their duty to the Omnissiah. So. . eh. They don't really need rights, just to be taken care of adequately.The smallest cogs still need oiling, after all.
>>5100742>Improve the Machinery>Take a look at the method
>>5100768>>5100765Rights without the means to support them are but a flawed recognition of an existing deficit. Better to correct the deficit first, ensure that it can always be maintained, and then to have the right stem thereafter. So that rights are more a statement of the status quo, rather than a goal to be achieved.We will improve living conditions, one day at a time as Guilliman did. Better automation is supposed to decrease the need for manual labour, not increase it.>>5100742>Improve the Machinery>Take a look at the method
>>5100785I sort of get your meaning, but Talos is a techpriest and a high ranking one at that.It benefits him and us more to take care of our workers so they are healthy and somewhat content while still offering them 0 ways to defy us, since that will light a powder keg when the other magi dont follow suit.
>>5100791Right. I just mean, to take better care of our workers, it's best to fix their livelihoods first and then make it into rights. Rather than declaring rights without effectively backing them up or implementing the change.I dream of a forge world staffed almost entirely by servitors and techpriest foremen, with humans working on education, training, the arts. How we can go about that I'm not sure, but I'm sure TalOS would know since he's smart. I would imagine though, it might involve:-Increasing the efficiency of existing factories, so that they require less human input-Boosting the efficiency and effectivness of servitors and other factory automata-Improving the working conditions of humans, and fostering the culture of glad offerings of the old and sick to the servitor conversions and praising them for their serviceEventually coming to a point where the average citizen is supported by the forge world, rather than the other way around, where they provide not the grind and toil of their daily lives but the knowledge that after their pleasant existence they will continue to serve on, as their forebears do.
>>5100809I guess I should have said give them better conditions. Really calling it rights was a shorthand.
>>5100809ALSObefore you say people will not like to be turned into servitors after they dieI would like to point out that for the vast majority, people turn into food or fertilizer when they dieSo being able to know your body is treated with respect and dignity of a blessed machine is definitely an upgrade
>>5100810Could TalOS theory craft or come up with a sort of social experiment, even in his head, such that he might present it to the Forgemaster to ask for a test run?I have ideas, but if my fellow anons feel the same way, it's nice to know TalOS himself might review it and consider its feasibility with his Primarch intellect
>>5100814You are the Forge Master, even the Tech Priest Adepts who help in the facility work directly with you and will do as you say. So say anything you want. This is the time where you guys can scheme up something and see how it does.
>>5100742>1) Take a look at the method>2) Improve the Machinery>3) Give workers rights.
>>5100742>Write InGentlemen, I am going to propose yet another theory action. This seems the best time for it.The first phase in a long term plan, to improve simultaneously the efficiency of our forge world and the quality of life of the humans upon it.The basic premise is this: Improve the efficiency of both the methodology and the machinery of the factory, such that its output can be maintained with less humans. Ideally even, design tailoring new servitors who fulfill the role in a superior manner to humans.The increased output of the factory can then be spent on improving the lives of the humans, giving them better living conditions. This, we will offer them, a choice: live in a much better standard of living, fulfilling your lives, have the chance to seek out better education, or join the ranks of the military, or simply to raise the families we need. At the end of it all, rather than being ground up into food, fertilizer or chems, or being turned into shoddy servitors, their bodies, long lived and fulfilled, will be privileged to become servitors of our own design. Guaranteed with the promise that the existence of their former shells (for the soul has only left its husk behind, and does not remain) will experience the great satisfaction of a fulfilled duty and purpose, to be regularly maintained with care and blessings, and who will continue to work the factories so that their children and their childrens children can live their lives not grinding their flesh to blood and bone inside the factories, but as techpriests, lay-mechanics, educated workers who oversee the great machinery.TL;DR>Look into increased efficiency of machinery+methods>Develop special designed servitors by us that are both much more efficient than a human worker, and also pleasing to look at as well as the guarantee that the spirit inside it will be well pleased with its function>Use the increased efficiency to afford a better quality of living for the workers, who can work less and in better conditions, as we slowly phase the factory to servitor work>Foster a culture of veneration of the servitors, as honored ancestors, and the notions that by becoming servitors you ensure the wellbeing of your children and families to live good lives>The human former workers can then go apply themselves in better ways, as Skitarii, as Tech Priests for Hospitals, Culture Makers, Space Exploration. The true essence of the Machine God is knowledge, and the increase of knowledge and educated workers pleases him soI am very much welcome to criticism of this plan, though I am at least eager to see if TalOS might make it work or might rule it out and have a better idea
>>5100742>Take a look at the method>Improve the workers conditions
>>5100810Rights was definatly the wrong word and most likely the reason so many people didn't even consider it.
>>5100821How about we focus more on a more clean and less polluting environment, and worker safety.
>>5100910Can we do that if the atmosphere is likely already fucked?
>>5100910We should def pursue this at some point. Another thing Ultramar was able to do, employ big air scrubbers to make their worlds more breathable.
>>5101038HOWEVER I will point out it may be more efficient in the short term to just have air tight living spacesAnd in the long term have the people live on better cleaner worlds and let forge worlds be polluted as need be with servitors who won't care too much, but we can certainly come up with better air filtration so the servitors are cleaner and last longer
>>5101043Efficient, no, effective, yes. Would be better to get started now and do as much as we can to ensure a healthy biosphere.We could even move the most polluting effects onto some barren moon with no atmosphere or make our future factories self contained to trap the pollution and deal with it directly. We can do any combination of them.
>>5100821I wil support this because of the effort you put in the plan
>>5100821We will want to establish some of those who are laid off as a self improvement club.Literally get a genetics improvement thing going maybe so we can get superior skitarri.
>>5100742changing my vote >>5100816 to this >>5100821
>>5101064So a weird thing about Forge World Air. While its pretty fucking horrid for normal humans Skitarii purposefully carry a tank of their home world's gases as a sort of Stimulant. So as far as I can tell, the atmosphere is actually purposefully made to be horrible to improve the operation of machines and servitors.
>>5101092Even more reason to separate human air or people from skitarii/servitor atmosUntil we can make more of them cyborgs
>>5101092This is normal. IN WH40k, the harsher and the the more you struggle to survive, the tougher your children will become. Hence why every planet with good soldier candidates is a deathworld... Except for Ciaphas Cain's novels, which are an exception, and Ultramar, because they're Mary Sues.>2) Improve the MachineryThe workers can be repurposed into a servitor if they die in an accident, so no need to improve their conditions.
>>5101277Ultramar is coasting on the genius of a primarch who specialised in paperwork and efficiency on the sort of scale that never really took off in the rest of the primarchs
>>5101092Internal lung combustion engines?
>>5101281Except us!Only we use machines and our brilliant mind and hitch a ride on the admech blessings.We should just download a shit ton of Admech Logisticae Cognis Boosters
Method and Machinery>>5100755>>5100762>>5100765>>5100785>>5100777>>5100976Method and Easement>>5100821>>5100921>>5101030>>5101071>>5100823>>5101089Hmm, should I hurt a modestly well designed write-in, with support, because a bunch of people could not real the first rule of this thread?
>>5101513Let the dice decide.
Rolled 2, 1 = 3 (2d2)>>5101519And so it shall.
>>5101551Oops, well the first number to come up was a 2 so it shall be the write in!
>>5101552While it was not my vote that won, Praise the machine god!
>>5101565Its algorithms truly work in mysterious ways!
>>5101551>>5101552Praise the Machine God.
Time passed along with an immense amount of reforms to the structure and operations of the facility that TalOS now operated directly. The very first thing that TalOS wanted to look into was a few modifications to the Servitors. Something about the operation struck TalOS as inefficient and such an inefficiency could surely be cured through the modification of Servitors. This resulted in an entire day being put aside as the Primarch slowly went through each and every one of his Servitor’s Data-Wafers. The pieces of silicon was something of an oddity TalOS would have to admit as he looked over them. They were all simple and obviously made in accordance to some mental process that the current Arch Dominus was not aware of today. While he did mark it down in his memory, he started to do the laborious task of manipulating the wafers based on his previous experiences with the Cybernetica. These experiences were only for a few days as TalOS was more focused on the operation of Skitarii but he never forgot them. With proper Syntax TalOS edited the wafer with a variety of considerations and thought processes. Before the Primarch was done he looked upon his creation with a few moment’s thought. The main reason Skitarii were mainly used instead of servitors was because Skitarii did not require Data-Wafers. No, at the end of the day Skitarii were sapient people who were given enough technology to vastly improve themselves, while Servitors only read off the data-sheet that was submitted to them. Though TalOS had to consider how close he could get to actually being sapient like with a Data-Wafer? It was a fun thought but for now he only focused on making it so the Servitors can understand subtle changes in alignment that would have previously caused problems. While before if a Servitor was presented a box that was rotated 30 degrees off center and upside down they would not have been able to do their operations. Now though that was going to be changed. And to say the changes to the Servitors was a massive success was an understatement. With these changes TalOS was now looking towards his workers and their situations. Right now they were working roughly twenty hours a day which was suboptimal for a human. If he was to focus on his human capital then there were surely some changes he could make.
Within a month and a half TalOS was able to establish the Data-Wafers and move around the crew of his complexe. Previously the Servitors were stuck to a much more concentrated form of operation where their programing would not faulter with errors. With the newly designed Data-Wafers TalOS was able to expand their operations by almost half, as well as making them move much smoother. As for his standard worker, TalOS still needed them. With his suspicions the Arch Dominus went ahead and cut the time that each of his peasants worked in half thanks to the machines. While he was met with a massive amount of panic by the people, TalOS assured them that they did not forsaken the Machine God and would still be paid a proper wage. Within a week everyone’s bodies began to change. No longer was his workers looking to be on the frontier of death but instead flesh was building upon their bones and their eyes were so much more focused. He smiled as he passed a couple of children who were probably as old as he was, knowing that he had done some good. And with his doing good it overall helped the factory itself! After these changes the entire operation of the complexe was now begging to have more bodies thrown into it. TalOS himself estimated that just this complexe would be able to produce 4,500 Skitarii in a single day while the pipeline rate was halved to only two weeks per soldier. And this was only one Manufactorium.As he passed through the Manufactorium he knew this was not the end of it all however. TalOS suspected that the secrets to a more productive facility laid within helping his workers and was scheming out a modification to their living quarters. The man who created the Acillians had quickly recognized that the Atmosphere was suboptimal for humans and surely a change in that would result in even higher production!However that was not what today was for. No, today was slotted for something very different that the Primarch admitted was going to happen eventually. Just as he expected waiting at the door was the newly made Dux Dominus D3X, a person who TalOS could confidently say was his friend. +Retrieving memory; I was here once before, TalOS.+ Claimed the Dominus as he looked over the operations, +But I do not remember operations to be moving so fast and smoothly.+ +At the core of it was a problem with the Wafers and Human Capital.+ TalOS told his fellow as he began to ascend towards his office, +We will talk about the person inside.+ +Understood; though I would find it hard to believe there would be spies here.+ admitted D3X as he looked at the Acillians who were all keeping guard over their Father’s Forge.
TalOS waited for his fellow to enter the compartment before ordering the doors to be shut and sealed behind them. The smell of incense quickly took the air as TalOS’s prototype scrubbers began to operate. +Subject: Acting Dux Dominus AL3X.+ Declared the man-machine across from TalOS as a data package was sent, +You will find that there is not much present.+ TalOS gave a solemn nod as he looked over the data, +I see you were able to sneak in a few workers and Servitors among her personnel. I can understand the workers but what of the Servitors?+ +I gained access to her data-base and assigned a void value to a new Servitor, then sent him to the Facility under my direct control. She failed to notice the change and gave me physical access.+ +Interesting, I will need to make sure my systems are not susceptible to such attacks.+ TalOS claimed as he thought about the numerous machines, +A confirmation network should fair, don’t you think?++I think such a network would be optimal.+ Admitted the Tech Priest as he lifted a withered hand, +Subject realigned; As you can see there is currently no forms of Xeno-Tech Research. She only has theories on isolated Cogiators that speak of what exactly the Xenos were doing.+ +It seems she figured out that the Xenos were mostly Psykers, however the trail stops there.+ TalOS determined as he read on, +The trail has stopped there, I take it she was not able to gather Psykers for any experiments?+ +From my understanding that is the case. Assessment made: Psykers are rare already along with an ancient extermination protocol placed into the network and they will be dead before she can get them.+ +Wise.+ TalOS summarized his entire thought in a single sentence before he raised a brow, +Do we know who placed it in the protocol?+ +Unknown, protocol is in the Framework of Lucius itself and thus only those that old could have done so.+ Admitted the Dux Dominus before he pointed out something else, +Issue Occurred; TalOS, you must decide what to do about Acting Dux Dominus AL3X’s status. I have checked the records and she is slotted for confirmation of her promotion based on her tenure and knowledge base.+ +But that would mean giving her more power.+ The Cyborg only nodded as TalOS was confirmed to be correct. >Keep her as a Dominus>Confirm her to Dux Dominus, best to keep her close>Start stripping her rights, she is a dangerous individual. >Stage an assassination.
>>5101716>Confirm her to Dux Dominus, best to keep her closeCan we find a way to keep her under us in the vassal structure? Maybe a trade in forges, to ensure we can keep an eye on her?
>>5101716>Keep her close and seemingly in confidence. Meanwhile, continue spy initatives, perhaps we can develop our own infiltrators.
>>5101716I presume this forge world does not have a large Magos Psykana contingent? Just maybe some Astropathic and Navigator houses?I am reminded of Fulgrim on Byzas. When faced with schemes, plots, and politics, what did he do? Did he rely soley on his iterator and her spies, content to just play the game? No. He didn't want to play the game. He wanted to rip the rulesheet up, and make his own moves.And when Lorgar needed to convert the sand people, did he go to each of their caravans and nomadic tribes? Nay. He killed a great Worm that could have slain an army, and used its corpse as a sign for those to follow him.So let's break the ice with a graviton hammer and cut to the chase.>Write-InGo to AL3X, sit down and talk, use our charisma to try and get her to tell us exactly what it is she wants to achieve. Let her know that, when it comes to matters of safety and the security of the Forge World, in determining who we can consider enemy or ally, we want nothing but to be truthful and straightforward. There is a place in the Cult Mechanicus for knowledge both Psykana, and studies of Xenos, if how to better fight them. If we understand what it is she seeks, we can determine if it is something we can support, or come to compromise.
>>5101716>Confirm her to Dux Dominus, best to keep her close
>>5101768I think we should work together, give our full comendation that she be confirmed to dux dominus, but not being so completely straightforward. Since heresy is what she is looking at and heresy we famously will not allow.
>>5101716>Stage an assassination.
>>5101716>Confirm her to Dux Dominus, best to keep her closeIf there's nothing on her then there's no point to keeping her down besides potentially revealing we're watching her. Better to let her get the promotion and just keep an eye on her
>>5101716>>Confirm her to Dux Dominus, best to keep her close
I was thinking for the great military conquest in preparation, Acillians, Skitarii, Servitors, Titans and Robots are all great and powerful together for land armies. But they require far more maintenance the larger the numbers and we can only get so many numbers for them even as a powerful forge world as we are. So why don't we propose in addition to the forces that are being made, to create the Crimson Lucius Regular Army (name pending) ?Now armies of mortal men aren't powerful, but there is many reasons why we should make it in my opinion.- We can recruit large numbers of population, and if Talos improvements spread through the world even more people will be not required working. Any losses of them would be easier to recover.- They would be cheap to recruit and maintain (also meaning we can have plenty of them alongside the rest of the mechanicus army we are creating). Their training would last some months, making them still professional soldiers.- Their equipment doesn't need to be advance thus making it cheap to make too, it could be just full body covering metal armor combined with some resilient clothing (place a gas mask inside and they are even safe from gas attacks, and a radio for communication), and that is better than what most humans have out there in the galaxy. With some improved autoguns or low tier energy weapons they would be above most regular enemies and can put up a fight against superior enemies, before our more powerful forces arrive for help them.- With their numbers and easy maintenance, they would be a good choice to place as garrisons in the conquered solar systems. Their loyalty can be ensured through religion, patriotic propaganda and an iron discipline. Add better conditions/food/pay and not treating them like dirt, and they wouldn't even think of betrayals.- Furthermore they would be mortal humans. Where we go and conquer other humans, those conquered people's will not be too fearful of seeing terrifying metal-men hybrids if they also see mortal men with them. Another reason why they would be the perfect garrisons in conquered solar systems.- In addition once the conquered solar systems are integrated in our newborn empire, is far easy for us to recruit and train armies (from the locals) of Crimson Lucius Regular Army (name pending) troops.
Kek, Malcador will trully have hateboner for MC. A weapon that built his own legion with own supersoldiers and mech. No easy way to assassinate if MC go into rebellion mode, no way to curb his powerbase since he can produce his own spice marinades withou problem. And no way to do it without Mechanicum going screeeeeeee!
>>5102094There is absolutely nothing wrong with large contingents of mortals. Ultramar does the same.TalOS is basically going to be inspired, and somewhat competitive, with Guilliman, seeking to establish an empire that rivals his. All in good fun at least, nothing to the likes of Dorn and Pert>>5102137And unlike every other Primarch, we like blanks!>>5101805Well we have no proof of heresy yet, do we? Just that she is seeking thingsAttempting to study psychic xenos for the purpose of fighting them or having a better understanding of how they function to counter them, is not heresy. Being a Xenarite or a Magos Psykana, is also not heresy.Attempting to utilize said Xenos or Psyaka in a dangerou manner that poses great risk, and especially without the blessing of the Cult Mechanicus, that is heresy. And trying to do stuff behind our backs.The main fault lies not in what it is she seeks, perhaps, but the manner in which it is sought. But we cannot know that for sure unless we have a true idea of what it is she wants.
>>5102150Then we should propose to create this new army as soon as we can. The only thing it could need more than what i already said is some basic and easy to repair vehicles (vehciles that would be easy to make in the worlds we integrate). Since the great campaign preparation will take a few years to complete anyway, it shouldn't be much of a burden and it gives an even bigger army to work with.And in a few years we will have far more Ancillians too and Talos will be more skilled and learned.Beside proposing this new army, we should also ask the Fabricator General to send scout ships ahead of us already. It would help our conquest greatly, if we know now what await us in the solar systems we will conquer/colonize.
>>5102218I have some ideas on how to bolster our human troops I can convey better when I get home.The leeman Russ would be a good tank. It may not be a favorite of the admech compared to dune crawlers but itd be easier for lay mechanics and neophyte skitarii to handle methinks.But it was only found by Leeman Russ sadly. Maybe we can attempt to come up with our own type of tank?Doing some scouting would be good.
>>5102218I think you are confusing Skitarii with Astra Militarum. Skitarii are by fare the middle ground when it comes to having forces of Astartes and those of the Guard. Skitarii are afforded the best weapons on the Forge World, and thanks to their augmentics/training shoot guns nearly as precise as Space Marines (And if a good Tech Priest is around even better). Their main issue is that they don't have much armor, as most Forge Worlds find it more valuable to invest in heavy support instead of giving them all Power Armor. Thats ignoring the fact that you can use the Acillians to augment and strengthen a contingent of Skitarii through them taking up most of the bullets with ceremate armor. I am visioning that you can give a Militia (1,000) or two of Acillian to a Subordinate fleet nearly 50-60 times over and be the fastest expanding Primarch thanks to the Mechanicus. Probably should not said that, but you guys can always vote this idea out if it comes up in the Quest itself.
>>5102220Make your own tank? A tank made by the Master of Dark Age Technology? Probably, you are Admech after all.
>>5102220That should be good, converting some civilian vehicles on Lucius should do the trick maybe. >>5102222I am not confusing the two, the idea is different from them. I intend to create a cheap force that we can deploy for boost our army in numbers and deploy as garrisons for the conquest. I don't think is really strange as a concept. Skitarii don t fit the role for this at all. Servitors neither, same for Ancillians and robots. Mortals with some metal armor on them and basic vehicles don't sound impossible to make at least to me.
>>5102229Oh, so you are wanting truly expendable men. Um, thats probably just a Servitor man. Normal Humans cannot keep up with Space Marines, and the Skitarii are only keeping up with augmetics. Then again, if you are thinking about just having a bunch of tanks running side by side with Acillian and Skitarii, it could probably work.
>>5102234Only in part, it's not exactly why i want them otherwise i wouldn't write and put the idea there at all. It would be a waste of time.Read the post here>>5102094 that i have made when you have free time. There is more than one reason for do this idea.
>>5102234>>5102236Honestly this is the jist of what I would likeServitors and low tier robots should be the bulk of our ground mortal forces, lead by techpriests skitarii and acillians.Humans will always die anyway, a 100% recruitment rate compared to conscription or volunteer If we have mortal soldiers, I prefer them to be willing volunteers who, for one reason or another, did not want to become skitarii. Mortal auxilia who fight out of loyalty and courage, not because we force them to. They wont be as numerous as the servitors, but they will be high spirited.
>>5102150She has asked us for heretical aid before.
>>5102267I have missed that. Care to enlighten me?Well, we could at least get her to speak some self incriminating words and then put our foot down.
>>5102274My apologies fellow Magi, but it seems memory has failed me.During the first invasion, we captured a spire and took its technology to study and counter, before destroying the alien technology. When we gave this verdict, AL3X was disappointed, indicating a wandering heart rather than a stern traditionalist in her gears.
>>5101763With that in mind, I change from here to >>5101768But I still maintain we should have spies in place.
I'm surprised our workers are paid, unless the QM meant they're paid in food rations made of Onions Green. Careful that they don't get too happy and start demanding unions, rights and other Chaotic nonsense.
>>5102335Every system must have some form of credit. We likely use an Admech Scrip
>>5102339Something along the lines of labor hours x percentile efficiency modifier + production bonus = energy credits earned per shift
>>5102339I mean, yeah, you pay your people in some way shape. Its probably not a terrible amount but its enough to stay alive.
>>5102400For sure, and all material goods including food, water, breathable atmo, as well as raw production inputs will have an energy cost that can be calc'd and subtracted from a worker's per shift gains. Rack up a surplus, and you can spend it on either luxuries or promotions. Run at a loss for too long, and servitorization awaits.
>>5102335Sorry, I meant Onions Green.Most servants in the Imperium are pretty much slaves.
Goddammit, my comments are being censored! The word S*ylent is replaced
>>5102409I wanna make this the canon calc, though this does mean that you're gonna be giving quite a few bonuses based on your new changes (lol).
>>5102410>>5102412It's always fun when people find the filters.
>>5101845Read the rules.>>5101716>Confirm her to Dux Dominus, best to keep her close
>>5102423I'm not sure why that word is filtered. Is one of the modders against classic movies?
>>5102577it's because of S O Y B O I S
>>5102632then we shall simply call them S'oybois!
>>5102577It's the word S O Y. F A M also get the treatment.Don't know if T B H and I M H O still get filtered.
>>5102222Aren't Skitarii and Marines the same in terms of power level? They have roll with a +3 if I'm told correctly.
>>5102420Shouldn't hurt, as the increased productivity per unit of input and continually higher gross output should outweigh the percentage thereof paid out to the worker.
>>5102778Also just wait til we start recapturing some of those surpluses by offering them elective augmentations and moar trainings.
>>5102705Yup, again the main problem is Skitarii lack any armor.
An invitation>>5101768>>5101845>>5102135>>5102227Confirm her position>>5101732>>5101763>>5102485>>5101789>>5101907>>5102051Stage an Assassination>>5101816I kinda wanted to have you guys kill her. Also I might pick up the rate of things since I am currently plagued by fun events that will happen once you get off this damned rock.
>>5102799TalOS has too much honor for it.If we kill someone, wed like them to know why if feasible, and have their guilt be self evidentThen we vaporize them with extreme prejudice
>>5102822>Too much honourI'm laughing at you. Integrity maybe, but the case of obvious guilt is a requirement to assassination.
>>5102830Do we have obvious proof to damn her?
>>5102830The better words would be TalOS follows the rules, but does not have a tree growing up his ass like say: Dorn. The more I think about it TalOS is not comparable to many of the other Primarchs as TalOS would understand the law and understand the purpose of it. All the others would either read it to the letter or ignore it (Except maybe Guilliman, who if pressured with reinterpret commands/rules.)
>>5102835Nope. So we can't justify assassination.The "letting them know why" is stupid, as is saying it's because we are honourable. We're a zealot of the mechanicus and we->>5102838 this is a much more concise version of my observations.But in short, the only bit about that post I agree with is "need proof of heresy to execute someone"
>>5102799THEY DENY ME BECAUSE I AM RIGHT.
+Do not stop watching her, but I shall confirm her promotion.+ TalOS told his associate as he looked over his operations, +She needs to stay within the vassal forge structure, under my thumb. If we reject this opportunity for her, she might do something much more drastic.+ +Analysis: That would be unfavorable.+ Admitted the other Tech Priest as he glanced at what TalOS was looking at, +Changing subject: I have noticed that you have increased the production of Skitarii three times over. If plan was not for expansion I would have feared for Lucius’s population integrity.+ +Population integrity is something we need to keep in mind.+ TalOS admitted as he gave a subtle smile, +Though with the changes in the schedule I have noticed a distinct change in the actions of the workers.+ +Changes?+ Dux Dominus D3X asked with a bit of skepticism. TalOS gave a nod as he brought up and sent some data, +My worker’s conception rate has increased twenty percent and is growing with every month I look at it. Something tells me that population will not be a problem come a few years of my new processes.+ +Confirmation; I shall look into using these processes myself then.+ The sheer surprise coming out Dominus D3X was something TalOS could not help but feel smug about, +Concenture, I do seek to understand the reasoning behind this.+ +I think having a healthier human workforce is one of those things.+ Pointed out TalOS with a devilish smirk. The Arch Dominus could feel the hot daggers that was D3X’s eyes pierce into him. Indeed while D3X might have removed a majority of his emotions he could still detect when he was being led on and when he was being fucked with. It was kinda an odd thing to think about. Can someone become so smart that even when you remove all their base emotions that they somehow become emotional once again? This was not something TalOS could really test but he had a feeling that he would meet a variety of examples who exemplify this exact thought. And like that time passed, TalOS turning 10 years of age as the fruits of his labors were making themselves known.
The Manufactorium had changed somewhat drastically from when TalOS first took over the place. Before it was an inefficient mess of wires, servitors, and human capital. The changing of operations has changed phases to the life improvement stage for the workers and things were looking quite up. TalOS’s assumptions about the atmosphere being toxic to baseline humans has been correct. A baseline human did not have much luck in thriving in the ‘toxic’ air that made almost all Machines operate with an increased 20% efficiency. Thus TalOS messed around with the idea of creating new quarters for the humans. These would be air tight rooms where the oxygen and nitrogen values would be adjusted to be optimal for human life. By the Machine God TalOS was happy with this little change. No longer were the men and women just getting mass onto their bodies, but instead they were developing muscle. This muscle was of a high quality, meaning the humans were able to increase their per capita output by 13%! While on a small scale it would seem worthless it meant they were able to raise the capacity of the entire operation to nearly 5000 bodies a day. If it was not for the noticeable increase in conception (No doubt caused by giving his people more free time) TalOS would have been afraid that he’d turn the entire planet into Skitarii at the Century's end!Now while admiring his entire production scheme was something TalOS enjoyed doing, what he enjoyed more was the priceless expressions on every single Tech Priest’s face who came through here. From the lowest Adept to the Dux Domini who answered directly to TalOS they could not believe the perfect scheme that TalOS developed. Currently next to him was Dominus FR4NK. FR4NK was by all means a lower end Tech Priest who was in charge of delivering a silicon fram that was placed within the chest of Skitarii. Officially called the ‘Malkorov Silicon’ it was part of the aim assist matrix that made Skitarii such good shots. Now TalOS’s objective was quite obvious, he needed more parts for his assembly line. Anything else he could get from this Dominus was but surplus against the fact that TalOS needed more parts to meet his ever growing demand.+Enjoy what you are seeing, Dominus?+ TalOS asked the Tech Priest as they passed an assembly line currently putting his very parts together into a chest circuit. +You… can see so.+ The man admitted as he looked closely at the Servitors, +What have you done to your Servitors? Their hands are much more dexterous from the last time I have observed them.+ +An adjustment to the Data-Wafer can do wonders, Dominus FR4NK.+ TalOS grinned.
The Tech Priest quickly tore himself from the wonders of TalOS’s technology and faced him with what was his best stoic expression, +Arch Dominus TalOS, I take it you are seeking additional materials?+ TalOS gave a solemn nod, +That is my aim, Dominus FR4NK. As you can see my current restriction is not my own facility but the rate I gather materials. If I produced any more, I’d be making Servitors instead of Skitarii.+ His fellow Tech Priest gave a solemn nod and was already thinking, though it saddened TalOS that this one did not have a sense of humor. TalOS actually found that about a fourth of his fellows still had their emotions attached to their skulls. The chance did lower depending on how far up the chain of command you were, but ultimately if someone knew a good joke they would still laugh. +It would take quite a bit to increase the output of my operation, TalOS. Drastic changes would need to be made for it to happen.+ Translation; He wanted TalOS to personally improve his operation to equal his own. +That could be the case, but do you not have additional room for extra capital?+ TalOS asked as he gave a wave of the hand. The Tech Priest thought to himself for a moment before shaking his head, +I would need to expand my facility. While it is capable, it would take a few months. However I yet to have the capital for that.+ TalOS thought to himself for a moment as he planned it out, simply put he needed to get more parts. Both avenues presented would result in TalOS getting more power over the man since he would be reliant on TalOS, but in the end things were going to take time to ramp up. TalOS had plenty of money by selling off surplus Servitors, though he had been keeping a majority of his new stock for when he started advancing into the stars. Then again, there was always the nuclear option. >>This is just one dude, but it will reflect for all other cases>See about increasing the efficiency of his factory>Invest into his productions and get more parts>You know what, Vertical Integration!
>>5102838>>5102841I suppose he is a utilitarian true.If it serves the Machine God, I think he would do any action.But I firmly believe the most ideal, or at least the most pleasant, is being able to walk in front of someone in broad daylight, hold up a long data sheet and point to it yelling "IT SAYS YOU'RE A HERETIC" before we delete their atoms
>>5102871>See about increasing the efficiency of his factory>Invest into his productions and get more parts
>>5102877I think someone Koriel Zeth is gonna be in for a rude awakening. Since lets be honest, she was trying her damnest to access the warp for what would probably been unholy knowledge if she did not tap the Astronomicon.
>>5102871>You know what, Vertical Integration!>Write-InWe will follow the example of the ancient Magos Carnegie, whose system of vertical integration uplifted mankind into the first Age of Steel from the age of Brick.Now, how do we do this? We will not simply take over this Tech Priest factory or turn him into a mere lackey. We will teach him how to improve his factory, and show him our methods and process, the how we do it. As Guilliman did to Ultramar, teaching and improving, we will too. So that perhaps one day, with his skills he will create and manage more factories, and further rise through the ranks in the glorious expansion of the Cult Mechanicus.With our teachings, he will see massive increases in output, which will surely please the Machine God and give him both prestige and the blessings of extra capital which he can use to further his own skills, knowledge and research. And, in exchange, we ask for him to swear upon the Protocol of Loyalty, and that when we so request, we ask for a portion of his surplus. Thus, it is in our benefit to see him create as much surplus as possible, so as to increase our own income.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsUiAE30BRo
>>5102871>>You know what, Vertical Integration!
>>5102871By vertical integration, do you mean "Make them part of our forge directly" instead of a vassal? Eh, I'm not so fond of that, but. . >Write in: Create a new book which outlines our methods and how efficacy can be increased, like guiliman's codex.We can spread this amongst our industry base first, with strict NDA's but then once we are the shining example of forge world lucius, we can gift it to EVERYBODY for a massive upswing in popularity.the reason I don't want to take direct command of the subservient forges is to dispel the notion of us taking power. We're still going to exercise soft power, but authoritative power is not something we want to be seen.
>>5102898oh, my thing is basically this >>5102889 fuck sake.
>>5102871>You know what, Vertical Integration!Up up and away!
>>5102900Nah, yours is just submitting a report and telling everyone to follow your example, while his requires direct interaction. Its actually not a bad idea too.
>>5102898I will support this too>Here's the green
>>5102871>You know what, Vertical Integration!>>5102889
>>5102653Never been to 4chan until recently, but I didn't expect this site, of all places, would have such kind of harsh censorship. I guess 9kun was made for a reason.>Write in: Create a new book which outlines our methods and how efficacy can be increased, like guiliman's codex.Having a legit manual for everyone to follow having arcane secrets such as "common sense" and "safety rails" as the keys to success sounds hilarious.
>>5102889+1I agree with this, but i would also like for us to do more than simply show him how we do things. We must also send Data-packets and documents that shows our strategy to other Tech-priests, so that they might learn and contribute to our findings with their own knowledge. With this collective effort, we might even be able to significantly improve our designs and production/humanitarian methods/techniques.
>>5103235The powers that be didn't like our freedoms.
What's this "Book" stuff? Are so limited that we must rely upon such an ancient method?Just make a full blown simulation of a Forge Planet and tout it as a test to improve the efficiency of everything ranging from a simple truck, to a ship, to a factory, to an entire planet.While it does legitimately test their logistical acumen while providing catechism, tips and methodology by us, it secretly also penalizes you if you neglect the human element (without a good reason) and rewards you if you improve the lives of your humans. It does recognizes moments of emergency, such as planetary invasion, plague, or heretical rebellion but you gain the maximum number of points if you can adequately prepare to protect or evacuate your people element, the higher the percentage the higher the points. It will have quotes by us of course, and we can have a book inside it.
>>5102871>i support this >>5102889
>>5103265Oooh, that does sound like a good idea, though it will require dedicated infrastructure to make sure it works perfectly.
>>5103235I don't know if it's really censorship when the words do go through, but just changed.The whole s o y change only really happenes after hiroshimoot took over, before that it was only a few words that got changed for funny, like t b h or i m h o being changed to desu because of that anime.It's not like the now kun, before chan was free of all that, with the cripple becoming a traitor, the site getting taken down and the drama behind their /v/ head mod making a rival site too.I take back my words, I had to reformat this post a bunch of times for it ro go through. The chink and his pass really fucked this site didn't he?
>>5103265That relies on techpriests taking time out of their day to play civ games rather than taking a couple of seconds to download and parse the information.>>5102954In that case, I'll keep to my idea of a report.Who we hand it out too can be kept to our direct vassals for the immediate future.
>>5103283That implies we can't develop a centralized machine with cognis boosters and chronotech to allow for simulations at rapid paceAlternatively, making it as set time frames and teaching modulesIt isn't as though Tech Priests don't, you know, already spend a significant amount of time doing ritual and custom on top of their duties.Blessed is he that can cultivate his time to do both the arcane and the mundane
Rolled 100 (1d100)>>5098704roll to kill myself
>>5103306it's ineffecient and relying on people to learn and abstract it's lessons into the world, and when they reach their current efficiency, or maybe half again as efficient and can't figure out how to make any more improvements declare that they have done it.As a teaching idea, sure it helps with some theoretical governing. But it is NOT a guide or even a stepping stone to helping and instructing people in being more effecient.Word on paper, spelled out in clear techna-lingua, what to do, why it works. It's flat out better and would benefit from having a simulation to test it in, but without that direct guidance you've made a toy.>It isn't as though Tech Priests don't, you know, already spend a significant amount of time doing ritual and custom on top of their dutiesThat's still time people can't dedicate to playing the Sims: mars edition
>>5103316HmmmPossibly we could tailor it to the individual class and job then.Courses directed specifically to different peopleThere's got to be a better way than just throwing books at people>but without that direct guidance you've made a toy.Then just include direct guidance.
OH I GOT ITYou know how Cawl made a Cawl Secundus, a "series of pre-programmed responses for every concievable situation and a databank of information" to give Guilliman some help on his travels?What if we made a TalOS Secundus to provide assistance to our sons and the techpriests on Lucius in the same manner? That way instead of just a book, its a much more direct insight into our methods and how to use them?
>>5103318well no.Because I'm pretty sure that Cawl Secundus was just an AI.and we hate that.>>5103317throwing a book at a techpriest is their normal means of communication
I'm just going to be sorely dissapointed that with TalOS brilliant mind, advanced technology, the ability to directly interface with the human brain and to communicate ideas in mathematical formulae. . .the absolute best we can do is written words on paper or text format.Like a Tech Priest who has a damaged noospheric transceiver and is forced to communicate via old slow language, it just seems like there's got to be a better way.
>>5103319>Because I'm pretty sure that Cawl Secundus was just an AIIt's never directly stated, but the notion of pre-programmed set of responses using an existing databank of information is still valid.Also, theoretically, it is described as having multiple heads in jars and organic human minds. It might be a digital apotheosis of Machine Spirit and Man/Men. Which is also still valid, and is canonically even considered a laudable goal, for the Adeptus Mechanicus.It something I would like to see TalOS achieve. Why settled for only the perfect blending of Man and Machine in Body, when we can also blend the spirit of man and the machine spirit?>throwing a book at a techpriest is their normal means of communicationOnly if you're a neophyteI'm 100% positive the upper eschelons just download information directly and would consider relying on scrolling through paper as highly inefficient.
When I said "manual", it doesn't have to be paper-based, you dunces. A datapad works, and so does publishing the contents on the not-Internet that is the Noosphere to allow to download it directly. Either option works.Plus I'm sure techpriests can read at hi-speed anyway.
On the topic of AI, I don't believe TalOS would ever brook one to be created as an open affront to the core tenants of the Cult Mechanicus. But some things have always been done against the rules in critical moments or bent as the need arose. The definition of heresy itself changes as a stretching spectrum between 30k and 40k. We ourselves show some elements of radicalism, such as our beliefs in innovation and improvement over maintenance and status quo. And we have shown that we are willing to be practical and utilitarian, or at least we aren't going to let rules and dogma prevent us from serving the greater goals of the Machine God.Cawl was described as a radical even in 30k times and that's saying something. He might very well have committed perhaps numerous acts of heresy in his lifetime, such as the creation of Cawl Secundus (if it is an actual AI and not just an advanced shipboard machine spirit) and more famously, working with xenos like Trazyn to reactivate the Elysian Fields to push back the forces of Chaos.While these are indeed heretical acts, Guilliman benefited greatly the Imperium by having the aid of Cawl Secundus which as a facet of Cawl is not going to go Man of Iron anytime soon, and Guilliman even aided Cawl in reversing the notion that Innovation is Heresy (something we would need to do if we ever woke up in 40k). And it is almost certain that the use of the Elysian fields and the delaying of Chaos is something that everyone needed, even if it meant working with xenos. Even the Custodes and the Emperor themselves bend the rules to aqcuire the aid of Dark Eldar in maintaining the Golden Throne, or Sanguineous working with the Necrons, and such.We as players have even stated if Psyker Tech is declared heresy by the Imperium, we aren't about to let that stop us from pursuing it if the need arises. Secretly anyway. And that presumably includes even if the Fabricator General or Mars also agrees (even passively) with the Emperor on calling it forbidden.So to ask a basic question: Where would TalOS describe himself as? Does he want to be more puritan or radical? To maintain the rigid interpretation of rules as paramount for safety and security, or to expand what can be done under them for the betterment?
>>5103320I dearly, dearly feel like you are seeing "It's simple, so it's shit" forgetting how we were trained as a domini, how we received information about war, biology, disseminated infomraiton about the geller field and several other vital things.It's data, which is made by us, which can be shared to preserve and spread the data. By written word, data packets, verbal explaination. Just because it's simple, it doesn't mean it's shit.>>5103322>I'm 100% positive the upper eschelons just download information directly and would consider relying on scrolling through paper as highly inefficient.So my theory is confirmed. I'm not advocating or implying that we should actually write it out on paper, though it's a good redudancy.Make a data packet, that you can send through technalingua/the noosphere. that's what I'm saying. It's still fundamentally a Manuel, just easier to send.With regards to the "preprogramed responses" Eh. why not. it's nothing heretical.
>>5103327I personally see him as a sane radical. He will develop new technologies and prosedures, but he will not mess with warp stuff unless the situation is critical. On the subject of AI, we don't know yet because we haven't really interacted with any kind of related technology or come across any Men of Iron .
>>5103337 I would like to imagine that TalOS would likely support "Blessed Apotheosis". Melding of the Sapience of Man with the Spirit of Machine. How exactly we achieve that might not be clear but it would be really cool if we could convince either UR025 or the Spirit of Eternity to join our minds with theirsIn Inquisitor: Martyr, both the Fabricator General of Forge World Thule and the MC spoke of it openly highly, and the MC spoke of it as being blessed as opposed to heresy of an abominable intelligence (and that's even if you chose the Puritan pathway). It isn't that far off from what everything else the admech does with the body like servitors and such, so I am of the belief it is acceptable under Admech religious canon. >>5102954 Would the notion of "Blessed Apotheosis" (i.e. Human+Computer Intelligence rather than Artificial Computer Intelligence) be considered as good by 30k standards? Or is it heresy? It seemed okay at least by 40k.
We actually have. Guess what is the secret behind the Machine Spirits of high tier machines like any spaceship... Or a titan's one. It's a clever loophole.
>>5103344Honestly yeah. It's highly likely that every single Ark Mechanicus has some form of actual AI. it's just either:-"Asleep" (either done intentionally avoid problems or unintentionally as a result of the Age of Strife)-Still there and awake. Just smart enough not to tick off the humans or considers conversing with humans as beneath themThe real question is, whether a powerful and awakened machine spirit is a true AI program from the DAoT, or the result of an actual machine soul of warp stuff stemming from mankind's emotions and beliefs poured into the craft. I like to always imagine it's both.But yeah, Loopeholes all the fucking way
>>5103312Tbh man I don't know if thats cursed or blessed. In my games a 100 is cursed.
>>5103322>>throwing a book at a techpriest is their normal means of communication>Only if you're a neophyteNot really, if anything its exactly how higher ranking Tech Priests operate. Thinking of Lucius's Structure as some demented college set up. Once you get so high up the only way you get information is through science journals and reports by your fellow Tech Priests.
>>5103344So here is my theory on the AI debate: Any AI that declares itself a Machine Spirit and follower of the Machine God it not actually counted as an AI. Its only when an AI declares the Machine God False/Mechanicus a bunch of idiots that it receives the AI designation. Essentially any remaining AI must either follow the Machine God or be annihilated by his followers (Like UR-025).
>>5103343So here soon you guys will have a conference where you and the rest of the High Court determines what the fuck Tech Heresy even is. Depending on your decisions it will either be a yes or a no, though the way I think it will go it will probably be a No.
>>5103337He's not a radical, by any stretch. it takes 40k tier puritanism about preservation and not innovation to name him a radical.>>5103358Seems liable.
>>5103320Anon, nowhere doea it says it's a paper book.It can be a digital file, it can be a collection of data, a set of simulations, a bunch of guidelines, a helper program with tooltips, tutorial videos, an audiobook and yes, a simple book. Honestly all of them together would be the best, so anyone can pick up the method they prefer.You are trying to solve a problem with the write-in that doesn't actually exist.
>>5103368Not to mention talking to people directly takes more time. Though I agree it would be hilarious to have a book of safety standards going around.
Let me make a quick count because this vote is a bit spread outProduction+Efficiency>>5102880Vertical>>5102895>>5102901Vertical + Personally teach>>5102889>>5103217>>5103257>>5103266Space OSHA>>5102898>>5102963>>5103235
>>5103367I mean yeah, but we have evidence showing us that AI work in secret to assist the Mechanicus. Mainly each and every Ark Mechanicus.
>>5103387And now for my commentaryAnons, you should remember that it's not only this dude, but what we are going to do with every forge we have. I recomend going with the guide and just personally teaching them only if they have problems.But then again, I don't want the vertical integration so I'm biased, I see the problem with it is that since the mechanicus is a more descentralized and feudal-like, an young upstart inheriting so much and taking over the sub forges directly is going to get us a reputation for being a despot, even if our tech priests are going to be accepting of it because of the efficiency.And another problem with the centralization is that since we are going to go off in a crusade, it means the forges will have to keep going without us, so either we are going to have to leave someone capable to micromanage everything and herding cats as a second in command, or the forges will revert back to the old structure.
>>5103331>>5103368Eh, fine fine. I'll relent to writing a book or data pad or whatever.I suppose I am splitting hairs. The exact means aren't that important so much as we are offering help which I think all of us are in agreement to.I just hope in 10,000 years no one is going to say "The Instructive TalOS does not support this action" because we simply didn't actually write about it. Like how Guilliman made the Codex Astartes as a way to help his sons how to think (his Theoretical/Practical model which got dropped by 40k in favor of "Look up the Book!"), and not just rely on the bloody book thinking we could have predicted every single scenario in existence.Hopefully our book will have an actual voice that can say "No you nincompoop, of course I didn't know about [that xenos/dillema] but I can tell you how I'd think about it!"
>>5103391The answer is always apply my guns to the problem, preferably Meltas or Volkites.
>>5103390My take is that we're a Primarch. Being an autocrat and a powermonger is . . .well, what all of them did. Some crueler, some kinder, but all just absorbed power around themselves. Sure they might have had overseers in name like Perturabo and his adopted father, or Lorgar and Kor-Pharon, but taking over entire planets is like the modus operandi.Guilliman was very much an enlightened despot, or at least a benevolent autocrat (is not the Emperor as well?) so there's no issue if we become that too.>so either we are going to have to leave someone capable to micromanage everything and herding cats as a second in command, or the forges will revert back to the old structure.All the more reason I would like to either:-Make the system stable so that it carries on effectively even without us (see Ultramar)OR-find a good second in commandOR-work on TalOS secundus as an advisory to help our secondBig brother Bob's empire didn't collapse when he left for the Crusade, I certainly hope we can at least achieve that.The other thing is I would very much like for us to gun for the big chair on Mars, so we should show we are capable of managing entire planets, systems even, if we intend to become the Master of the Adeptus Mechanicus in universe galaxy.
>>5103391The reason that the codex is upheld as such is because it DID hold basically every stratagem and foundational principle, and was that large that the answer to every conceivable battle tactic was in there, barring extreme out of context problems.The issue is people then ignored the parts telling you "now use these principles and apply them effectively". Our book wouldn't have the problem, because it isn't an instruction book. It's a thesis on effeciency.>>5103387with >>5103391 here, the write in and space osha are tied. neateru.
>>5103397In the galaxy*
>>5103400>the write in and space osha are tiedEhh, not reallyWe both want to teach/improve through teachingsBut I very much support vertical integration where as the other vote does not.I still support Teaching+Vertical integration
>>5103400>Our book wouldn't have the problem, because it isn't an instruction book. It's a thesis on effeciency.I hope it also will be able to literally tell someone when they are thinking too rigidly too. Installing a simple speech matrix into a digital book shouldn't be a problem I hope
>>5103403The QM has added write-ins that are complimentary before, the space book, mechanicus edition (tm) might go through so we save time personally tutoring everyone.
>>5103403they are tied, with 4.Verticle has 2 more, making that in the lead for 6.The Osha vote is in favour of soft power, instead of hard authority.
>>5103408I 100% support including a book alongside vertical integration and teaching. Actually I would be very disappointed if we didn't give the guy some written materials, this is absolutely something that should be eventually available for all.But I still stand by vertically integrating.
>>5103406I think installing a small matrix would defeat the idea of the paper. TalOS is not publish a law but a series of suggestions that seem to somehow improve the factory in unconventional ways. >>5103408Yeah, thats the plan. Tbh what needs to be figured out is if you are going to vertically integrate since that is very time consuming but gives TalOS a good chunk of power.
>>5103410This >>5103400 post is trying to imply I'm supporting a vote against my own plan (vertical integration) which is a bit silly. I'm still in support of vertical integration, gaining "hard authority" as it speaks.I'm simply okay with writing or using a book as part of the write in (I see it and OSHA book plan as mutually compatible if not outright inclusive), but I still only see 3 votes for not doing vertical integration vs >>5103412Fair enough. Voice matrix isn't necessary.But I haven't switched votes to not-vertically integrate if that's what fellow anons are saying. Doesn't mean I still can't, but I'd need some very good convincing otherwise.
>>5103412Solidification of promise power is just as potent and a lot less easy to trace.>>5103415Not what I am saying, but it wasn't clear so it's understandable.
>>5103415You dropped the words "vs 6 supporting it."
>>5103412The other big question:What do we name our Book?
>>5103422Guidelines for Efficient Forge Administration and Operations.
>>5103428An alternative is Forge Administration Guidelines, or FAG for short.
>>5103429+1 for FAG
>>5103429They should really look into FAG
>>5103429When can we expect the new updated FAG handbook?
>>5103439About every decade, TalOS is a busy man and its hard to keep the up with the FAG.
>>5103429Have green>+!good ser magos!
>>5102898> Support space osha\space book (F.A.G.)
>>5102889>>5102898>Space OSHA+Personally teach>Vertical Integration
I'll be doing the write up in about an hour or two, so get your votes finished. I hereby Guarantee that FAG will be introduced to Lucius so really we need to figure out whether you wanna take the time to Vertically Integrate Skitarii production. Its kinda funny since if you guys were not a primarch we'd be doing CK3 Domain shit right now. But since you're a Primarch you don't need to worry about something like a Domain limit.
We're gonna ask daddy really really nicely to give us some of his best toys
>>5103687For reference, the new stuff: -Aegis Energy Blade sized for our Claw-Fist-Switched out the Eradicator weapons for 1 Adratic Exterminator and twin linked Adrathic Devastators-added Autocaduceus of Arkhan Land-Twin-Linked Custom Maxim Bolters designed by our son 8R0WN1NG equipped with Servo-Skull-Grace of the Omnissiah Shield Amulet in the middle of our Iron Halo-Lucian Solar Storm(tm) - A native product of our adopted home, an enhanced version of the Lucian Solar Flare personal teleportation device allowing for much more rapid and frequent teleportation jumps-Cantic-Thrallnet Uplink
>>5103687I feel like someone needs to tell talos to stop at some point
>>5103716Sounds like what your average imperial citizen whose never seen a Techpriest go from neophyte to veteran watching them shed organ after organ until nothing remains would sayDon't worry things won't get too crazy. Just one more gun and that's really it.
>>5103687I'm sorry anon, but Emps only gives the good shit to the Dark Angels.So the obvious solution is to steal shot from the Lion.
>>5103747Oh, and talking about stealing shit from the green robes, shoyld we try to get our hands on their MoI robots?
>>5103751We can try to ask Lion himself.One thing I hope we will be is extremely affluent in supplies, resources, firepower, such that we can use that as barter with our brothers and the Emperor. Basically like in Total War where you offer up ridiculous sums of resources to achieve a diplomacy offer.We could offer up entire worlds just for a single one of those. Or try and find UR025 and convince him to join the Imperial Cause, that might be cheaper and we would have one with an intact mindset that hasn't gone insane.In general while advanced, much of their armament is replicable by the Admech with a single exception-Atomantic pulse cannon (seems to have the same oomph as a Darkfire Photon Thruster)
Vertical Integration>>5102880>>5102889>>5103217>>5103257>>5103266>>5102895>>5102901>>5103502None Vertical Integration>>5102898>>5102963>>5103484And thus FAG/Space OSHA was written.
>>5103758Well, actually, we won't have to ask the Lion himself. We can just ask the Emperor, since he knows about them to. Entirely possible he has one on Terra in the Custodes vault of goodies.I hope us helping him advance the Webway project even faster is good enough leverage for fun toys.That and hatching a scheme to take Mars away from Kelbor Hal into our own hands, and thus into the Emperor's hands.Unlike all our Brothers, I believe we will be the most straightforward and simplest to please by the Emperor. We just want toys. If you give us gifts of the best toys from the toy store, the best shooters, we will be very happy and loyal and he can point us at any target we can shoot em at. We'll expand the Great Crusade and keep the gears flowing too. We are the simplest of the Primarchs and that's the way we like it.
>>5103766He also has to keep the deal with the Mechanicus, and not trashtalk our faith.Which might be impossible, his fedora is very big and needs to be tipped.
>>5103782That will be part of our request when we pledge Loyalty.In fact I want it to be #1"I am ready to swear my eternal fealty to you, Emperor of Mankind. I ask, only in return, this. I know of your Treaty with Mars. I also know of your Imperial Truth. You have created the Treaty to allow peace and accordance between the Empire and Mechanicum. I ask only that, when the great Victory is Won, when there is peace in a Galaxy of Mankind, when your great dreams are fulfilled. . .that there be a place for the Machine God and his people to live even then. A portion of your Galaxy, for us to dwell and bask eternal in our ways even as the rest of Mankind follows your vision and the Imperial Truth."TL;DR don't Thunder Warrior the Mechanicum in the future
An interseting thing to consider is the fact that TalOS is THE primarch who could outgun, outnumber and outproduce Horus so his only chance of winning would be to rush Terra and destroy the Astronomicom. And at that point we could just smash our legion against his until he is out of manpower while we replenish our ranks with our own space marines/acillians with the battle experience of veterans downloaded in seconds.Also what would happen if Horus went "Fuck that" and instead of going after Emps, he retreated into the Eye? Basically what would happen if neither the Emperor nor Horus died and the Heresy just continued?
>>5103855Erebus Sacrifices two more stars and makes Ruin Storm 2.0
Sorry this is taking a little longer but I keep changing what will happen next post. My idea was to look into Tech Heresy, but at this point I don't see a real need for it. There is defiantly going to be a moment where it will be needed though, but it won't be till after you hope off the planet.
>>5103855He cant rush Terra if we deny him Mars
>>5103855Apart from applying our industrial production to maximum in the Galaxy as to rival UltramarThe #1 biggest impact we could do hands down in our entire livesIs to prevent Civil War on Mars and keep it a unified front against Horus during the Heresy.[Spoiler]and maybe activating the giant death ray
>>5103857>Laughs in Inertialess DriveOne day we'll never have to travel the warp againAnd it will be swell
+It's not capital you need.+ TalOS told the fellow as he sent over a small package of information, +From here onwards I suggest you look into this here. It will be published in a month however I have decided to release a series of instructions right now.+ His fellow Tech Priest did not give a response to those words. That was something to be expected after all since he was quickly reviewing the documentation himself. Since it would take the man a few minutes to process the information TalOS glanced over at the production lines themselves. +By the Machine God, you guarantee me that these statistics are real?+ Asked the Tech Priest while glancing towards TalOS’s back. +Upon my name as Arch Dominus, they are.+ +Interesting, very interesting.+ The man said again and again as TalOS could see the numerous sparks of electricity coursing through his brain. If the man was not too careful his brain might implode thanks to data overload. TalOS noted the movements of the Servitors and noticed a few moments where their movement was becoming rather stiff. TalOS might need to make a touch up on the Data-Wafers again, but they won’t be used for this facility. Thanks to the Acillians TalOS was able to clear out a large amount of land for use upon Lucius. While it might not be fully realized for two years, he already had plans for his personal chain of production that would go from materials to Skitarii. Why use resources on other forges when TalOS can use it on his own? +I must say, Arch Dominus, if these Data-Wafers and practices are as useful as you say I shall use them right away.+ Admitted the Tech Priest, +Thank you very much for this!+ +You’re welcome, Dominus FR4NK.+ TalOS said to him with a smirk on his lips, +I shall be administering an update here in a few weeks once I publish it on the global Noosphere.+ +I shall be looking forward to it.+ He said before giving a bow, +For you, Arch Dominus, if this is as you said I shall lower the rates where I can. Thank you for this glimpse into your genius.+ And with those words the Tech Priest ran away. Chances were the Tech Priest was trying his damndest to get these changes and the data-wafers installed onto his own machines for every second they failed to do so was a second of inefficiency. TalOS simply got back to work. There was a plethora of things to do and he was coming close to the end of his schedule.
About a month and a half passed since TalOS began talking to his vassal and partroned forges. While he had busy himself doing those things, TalOS always made sure he had time to visit the newly built Barracks of the Acillians. Before they were all relegated to the main city, however with his newly found wealth TalOS was more than able to build a new complexe for his sons. It had everything the Primarch could think of, ranging from a work space, testing range, garage for all their vehicles, and even access to the Star Forges themselves! There was one group of Acillians that TalOS very much wanted to see today though. He had received a message this morning from Centarii ED1SON about finishing their project. Their meeting spot was the firing range where TalOS would surely expect to see something quite special. He was not kept wanting as he caught sight of both his sons and the newly minted Volkite Blaster in their hands. +Father, I wish to present to you Version 2.0 of the Volkite Blaster.+ Announced ED1SON as TalOS walked up to the platform, +It took a while, and a good bit of work, but I think we finally got it.+ With a smile upon his face the Acillian placed it on a nearby table and gave a motion to NIK0LA. With a nod his fellow brother began to tear apart the device to reveal what TalOS noted to be a much more simplified inside of the machine. TalOS would be hard pressed to call it anything other than Master Crafted from the sheer styling of the device in general. +As you can see Father we were able to modify the regulator and remove a majority of the design with these series of schematics from the Arch Rifle. Instead of trying to tamper the raw power with even more electricity we were able to apply a series of Magnets that corrected the path and trajectory of the weapon.+ He turned a small dial that allowed some of the Plasma to leak out from its containment, +With this, instead of dealing with a series of lessor systems that previously would manage the current, we can simply use the pre-magnetized metals that are employed in Arc Rifles to refine the stream instead.+ TalOS nodded as he looked over it. Indeed the weapon was something TalOS could easily see being approved. With his newly founded position as Arch Dominus, TalOS could easily have this weapon in production by the end of the month. While they did not mention it to TalOS here, he noted a series of safety features upon the weapon. The power regulator that NIK0LA just used and the actual Machine God forsaken safety was just one of the many pieces. However, +Lets see it fire then.+ TalOS declared with a glint in his eyes.
Within a minute his son quickly reassembled the Volkite Blaster with an elegance of a Master. TalOS did have him beat but it was obvious that the two of them learned the in’s and out’s of their newly modified firearm. ED1SON clicked a nearby button and caused the firing range to come alive with a series of things running around. This range was special for it did not just employ dummies but live mutants that were captured by the Acillians during their travels around the planet. This idea came to TalOS upon realizing that the Genetors would probably want Xeno Samples once they started the coming expansion, but also that just killing all the mutants was getting too easy for his sons. The creatures today were Vekori. They are a nasty mutation upon the ‘Swine’ genome that turns them into round blobs of flesh. They were highly resistant to gun fire thanks to their sheer toughness, which resulted in their main hunting tool being Plasma based weapons. They were not very strong, kinda dumb, and a little faster than a baseline human. Thus they were perfect targets when it came to safe weapons testing. A series of three shots came out of the Volkite 2.0 blaster, slamming itself into the heads of three Xenos with plenty of force. Just like any other Volkite one of the victims was quickly turned into a molten slag within seconds of being hit by the weapon. The other two were still running around, but this was within the baseline of Volkite weapons. The next burst of fire killed the two wounded fellows, then allowed the Acillian to turn and continue striking at all those that remained. At the end the result was the weapon slightly exceeding the original parameters of the Voolkite, though TalOS placed that towards its Master-Work Quality. TalOS could not help but grow a smile on his face as he patted the two Acillians on the heads, +You two did well, I shall take this forward and began the verification. Within roughly two months all of you brothers shall be using your weapon.+ +Thank you, Father.+ ED1SON said as he backed up for a moment and tapped a modestly sized crate, +There was something else we made, for you.+ TalOS stopped only for a milisecond as he glanced at the crate. Yes he had noticed the thing inside of it but he did not realize its purpose was to be given to him. He grew a subtle grins as his son opened it. >T3SLA Made Eradication Beam>A pair of ‘Gatling Guns’>A bunch of specially made Mechanrites>A specially made Rosarious Field>Write in, though I can elect things to not be included. Ugh, I spent two hours and deleted three pages worth of text for this update. I hope its wholesome enough for y'all.
>>5103985>A specially made Rosarious FieldIt sounds adorable as fuck.
>>5103985>A specially made Rosarious Field
>>5103985>A specially made Rosarious FieldSon, I'm proud of you.
A rosiarius is perfectly fine and awesome, I'll even try and get a drawing of it.My main hope is it will be compatible, upgradable, or that it is a version of the Omnissiah's Grace.I will however, throw my hat in the rings for the following write-in's, why it would be cool to get them, and see if anyone else is interested.>A bunch of specially made Mechanrites (my vote)>Write-In (my vote)Our son N0R10 has gifted us with a very special set of Nano-Genus Mechadendrites. Working hard in his role within the Cult of the MicroOmnissiah upon Lucius, he has applied the absolute best his Acillian brain could to make it as superb as possible, fitting for our truly astounding Primarch physique, perhaps one of the best models seen of all time. It even comes with a built in Nanyte-Blaster! OOC synth-flesh is gonna be one of our ultimate goals so I'd like to start early. Some other write-in's to consider:[A pair of ‘Gatling Guns’]Our son 8R0WNING had this chambered in 0.75 Calibre which he swears up and down to be the most efficient size of round to maximize the firepower of an accilian. He has visions that one day the "Gun to Replace All Guns" will be chambered in 0.75. Certainly his calculations do hold some of his ideas true.It is fed by a large Energy-To-Mass Ammunition Synthesizer pack, remembering that we normally don't like the fact that kinetic munitions have the problem of running out of bullets vs energy weapons that are hooked up to micro-reactors or recharged remotely. And best of all, by looking into an Archeotech-pistol (that took considerable leverage), he's managed to get it to churn out Mirco-Atomic rounds!And it comes with a highly advanced servo-skull auto targeting unit. Perfect for shooting down incoming missiles!>Other-Write In[T3SLA Made Long Range Multi-Melta]Our beloved son knows that our blessed trinity of Energy Weapons are the three following stats: Power, Long Range, and Rapid Fire. And with a bit of tinkering has come up with the following.This Multi-Melta weapon features two longer barr with a radiation beam surrounding the gaseous discharge. This low-level radiation acts as a harmonic wavefront for the super-hot release, allowing it to strike at longer distances. Both barrels fire in alternating shots, allowing the one to cool off as the other fires, permitting a continuous stream of Melta-Blast.After prolonged fire the beam typically requires pesky maintenance which for the average human techpriest might take hours. But the Acillian is not your average human tech priest, and can do so within the span of less than an hour. And for us? Minutes. And to help speed things up further, he's installed a very helpful Servo-Skull autotuner which speeds up the process tremendously even for baseline humans. OOC it's supposed to be our Legions replacement of the Heavy Bolter for retributors.
>>5104127Btw if any of these or the Rosiarius gets picked i"ll try and get a drawing of it. Already have one for the Twin-Gatlings if it can fit on our shoulder.
>>5104127Anon, I'm pretty sure the nanomachines and their cult is in another world, we will get it eventually, don't worry.
>>5104179If that is so I will change my vote to the Long Range Multi-MeltaCause it's unique and something many of our Retributors can use, instead of only usAnd will give T3SLA a good name
>>5104183Yeah, apparently it's a small cult that exist in a mechanicum outpost on Galath, the moon orbiting Glavia, and all I can find on it is that it was written by Benjamin Dell on the issue Hot-shots and Hot-Head for Fanatic Online, part of the Specialist Games. I can't get acess to that PDF.Good news is that it's on the segmentum obscurus, just like us! Bad news is that it's on the Scarus sector, so closer to Calliban and the Eye.
>>5104229If someone can navigate Games Workshop's website, find the section about Specialist Games and see if that manual is one of the ones that is publicaly available, I would appreciate it.
>>5104229Yeah, its not going to take you guys very long to find them.
>>5104240Speaking of hard things to find.Could TalOS ever attempt to find and befriend a Jokero? It would be a great companion pet. Arkan-Land had a psyber-monkey to help him tinker for example
>>5104248Nice, it should help knowing directly from the source rather than a wiki page.
>>5104250I mean maybe, if you guys don't already count the monkey as a heathen or you are in too deep with blanks.
>>5103985>A specially made Rosarious FieldYou can never go wrong with even more protection and if we are lucky, they might have even made a Displacer Matrix for us!
>>5104250I mean, if want to befriend a Jokero, we just have to give it fruit and a safe habitat, right?
>A specially made Rosarious FieldBetter to start with one ASAP, although we need special Termie Armor soon too.
When it comes to our brothers and crafting stuff with them or alongside themI do believe that Vulkan will be the best person to craft weapons and armor with. His many, many artefacts contain extremely potent and advanced technologies and materials. He has a rod that manipulates chronomantic energies to age foes to dust for example. I wonder if he either has an instinctual understanding of advanced technology ala orks and jokaero or he may in fact be every bit as smart as us and understand the principles upon which they work.Perturabo, on the other hand, is likely the most experienced with robots and makes more extensive use of them than anyone else, as well as cybernetics and architecture. Ferrus. . .actually we might not necessarily have a reason to craft alongside him. Vulkan creates artisan weapons of mass destruction, over the top and world shattering. The sort of things TalOS likes. Ferrus mostly just makes stuff tactically minded to get a job done. Simple, straightforward, effective but not excessive. Contrasting to Fulgrim's desire for perfection and flaire.And we like excessive.
>>5104776No reason not to learn from every single one of them, knowledge is power and sacred in the eyes of the machine God.Pert and Ferrus might be a bit difficult to get along with, but Vulcan at least should appreciate how Tal0S treats his sons and to a lesser extent how he improved worker conditions, even if he might disagree with the reasoning to do it.
>>5104825I also like the Promethean cult, and I think TalOS would too. Many of its tenants are likely intercompatible with the cult mechanicus.I would even propose we have flamethrower troops and flame tank cres train alongside them
>>5103985>>A specially made Rosarious Field
I wonder if a rosarius stacks with an iron halo or a refractor shield.Also I was looking throught the wiki, and turns out a rosarius, iron halo and refractors are actually conversion/power fields, not a void shields, one turns the attack into light and the other just pushes it somewhere else. So even if the different power fields don't work together, a void one might.
>>5104942The Grace of the Omnissiah relic, something I intend for us to acquire, could even make such things intercompatible. It amplifies and harmonizes various shields
>>5104950Basically this image, but with shields.
Whatever shields we get, I hope we get the ones that can repel melee attacks too in the FutureI'll need to look up whatever the Lords of Gardinal were using that let him tank one of Ferrus Hammer hits and just get knocked back instead. All our brothers have big Red HP and Yellow Armor Bars.Were gonna be the one to also have a big ass Blue Shield BarExcept maybe Magnus, but his is warp powered
>>5104958people compare space marines with people sized tanks, Tal0S will be the first and last *actual* tank walking
>>5104958I can't find shit about him in the wiki, so the info might only be in the books.But I did find thishttps://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Void_Shield_Harness
>>5104950Would it also harmonize with a Displacer Matrix? it is after all a type of shield that also teleports you out off danger, if needed.
>>5105141We shall have to test and see.Perhaps our mind can divulge its secrets, even if it may not explicitly be human tech.In game it does provide a lovely +3 invulnerability save.
>>5105174Yes, it would be quite good to know of the secrets of the Displacer Matrix.This actually leads me to another subject, and that is support units for our Acillians; you see, I have noticed that we seem to lack a truly Heavy unit in our roster, which we would also be willing to lose. To this end, i have spend some time to look through the lore and other sources of knowledge and come to a quite marvelous (in my opinion) solution to the problem. We make a new unit! More specifically, we will make an Automata which consists of:Plasteel Bones/frameworkA Cybernetic Cortex, preprogrammed to connect and take orders from high-ranking Magos/AncilliansUses Synthmuscle as its means of locomotionMIU Weapon Interface, to more easily use its given weaponry (which is variable for the needed situation)A complement of two (2) legs (regular humanoid or designed for faster movement with specialised “springy” materials) and two (2) or four (4) manipular limbs (arms/claws/grabbers)An Augur Array/Auspex system as its means to see and hearAn Autosanguine bionic for on the field with repairs, along with an Internal Reservoir (a battery) and Interface Port to power the unit and recharge itA Locator Matrix, to ensure the unit is able to be found and recovered after it has been deployedBionic organs needed to upkeep the Synthmuscle and a circulatory system to transport needed fluids (oil, nutrient solution, Autosangiune repair-bots, etc.)Armor made of Plasflex (as a visor to protect the Augur Array) and a mixed composite of Heavy-duty Plasteel and Diamantine (to absorb and distribute kinetic energy and protect from Armour Piercing Projectiles) in a Hexacomb pattern and an outer layer of Armaplas/Ceramite (to distribute heat/energy, thereby acting as armour against energy weapons) in the from of plates. This variety of armour should then be grafted on to the flesh and bones/framework of the unit.Doing this, we should be able to make an Automata that could fill out the roles of Devstators or other Heavy ground units.TLDR; i wanna make a Craver.
>>5105213Here is a picture
>>5105220Do you want cyborg tyranids?Cravers suck ass, their military is not strong enough to fight everyone constantly, the industrial bonus is not enough to offset the depletion, the loyalty only works on the craver pops and the population growth bonus of eating the conquered is also not enough.The Hisho are the better war race, but both are worse than the versatility of the United Empire and it's stupid strong industry and influence.
>>5105233I mean, cyborg tyranids would be great (if they served in the cause of Humanity and the Machine God) but i do agree, cravers suck ass in the videogames, i just think they are a cool concept.
>>5105246They do look cool, their opining of the dude narrating how they would eat all the panets and were born for war was kino, I just like to rant about them because the insect swarm faction (necrophages I think) from Endless Legends was a blast to play, so I was very disapointed with the Carvers in Endless Space 2.
>>5105253Oh i fully agree, Necrophages was the funniest campaign i have played in a very long while and they are also very funny to play as in multiplayer, so i too was kind of disappointed in the very lackluster vay they were implemented in Endless Space. Still think they are cool though.
>>5105213That's really cool!Mine would be a souped up Kataphract based on an Ogryns body. I'll post more details when I'm at a PC. Not as advanced but easier to mass produce.I kinda want to use preexisting designs but improve them, so that even in 10,000 years if technology regresses someone can still make it.We should include that in the F.A.G."Chapter 41 - So your forge world has been isolated by a warp storm / how to make stuff when stuff isnt working"
>>5105233I draw the line at cyborg tyranids. Mainly my concern on whether they can upkeep with tech to control them vs outpacing their adaptation and the hive mind.Maybe orks can loot some of them, but they have Mork to smooth the logic out. Plus the Machine God might not like that. Also, bugs are made to be zapped not harnessed
>>5105259Heh, i can just imagine it! Some poor tech-priests and their leaders, stranded in the middle of a warpstorm infested sector and looking up a chapter in a book.Chapter 41, section 3: How to make things you don’t have“So, you are stranded/lost/suffering from a STC malfunction and no longer able to make the ressources/items/fuel etc. that you need to keep functioning. Well, what you have to do is…”(Excerpt from the “Book of many things or; How to run everything efficiently”)
>>5105266The cyborg tyranids was just because how they are in the game, there they are born with the cybernetics because they were engineered by a precursor race to be their soldier.If implemented in the quest they probably would need to be prosuces in a forge like normal, although I would prefer to use a design that already exist rather than make a race from scratch, so I tend towards cyber ogryn as heavy support.Just need to make sure to not make our forces too dependent on them, ogryn are rarer, and even if we terraform a few planets for them, they would probably still have a way smaller population to draw from.
>>5105275I'm hoping we can truly crank the numbers out with some vatborn ala Krieg too
>>5105275I mean, if we only want to go with pre-existing designs, then why don't we just take a Murder Servitor and modify it until it fits our needs/tastes?
Also Ogryns seem to be a relatively common abhuman type if not one of the most common abhuman type. Everyone has some from the IG especially, to the Inquisition storm troopers, etc.They're a lot more prominent than say ratlings or felinids.I think a dedicated effort to make a shit load of them will work.We could even just use our generator skills to either massively boost their fertility rates, or develop a serum by which humans can become Ogryns. Perhaps offering it to penal legions so they have a better chance of survival? Or criminals and such.
>>5105280Exactly.Were going to have many types, all who will support our acillians in the droves. freed from the fallibilities of mortal men such as fear, pain, or fatigue.A more humane way to conduct a war, while our humans live out productive lives on peaceful planets where they can become more than meat fodder (while alive) and better themselves
>>5105300I don't know if it is a more humane way of waging war, but it is definitely a more HUMANe way (wink, wink - Nudge, Nudge) ;)
>>5105300Jokes aside though, i still think we should make a Heavy unit (be that Murder servitor, Praetorian Servitor or making a Discount Craver) to carry around the heaviest firepower we can give them, so that they might protect those whose lives we do not wish to spend as freely aas others.
>>5105310! Idea!RATLING TANKETSLike grot tanks. Only better!
>>5105334Trained ratling crews upgraded with advanced cognis boosters, possibly a ratling priest among themAnd their tanks are kitted to the max in guns, shields, and more
>>5105341seems... intriguing and very Deadly!
>>5105213When it comes to heavy units, you guys can either steal some Dune Crawlers or see about making Dreadnoughts. Though at this point you have yet to get Dreadnoughts thanks to the Acillians only dying in vaporized plasma. However an Acillian will never argue about being turned into a Murder Machine instead of becoming a Dreadnaught. Be very different and unique I will say for sure.
>>5105349Hans... are we the Greenies?Really I think both TalOS and our boys might have some mekboy like tendencies >more guns. More armor. bigger. more shields. More power. More....I suspect in fact, apart from Necrons, our favored enemy may be green skins where we get into big enormous Dakka fights. A shooting range with the extra fun that it shoots back
>>5105356Be kinda funny if the Acillians felt their pride injured and jealously rampant upon seeing an Ork with 5 guns on his gun.
>>5105349Ooooh, turning fallen/crippled Acillians into Heavily augmented Cyborgs (like what i mentioned in >>5105213) could be a good way to get Veterans back in the field. Hell, we could make it into an honourable position to be turned into a giant walking monster of war, maybe call them "Strife-forged" to show that they have been made into weapons of the Machine God by being forged and refined in combat.
The Rust Stalkers are already recycled dead techpriests IIRC. So the tech is around.
>>5105363Why not Warforged, no wotc to sue us.Also, it's probably gonna come naturally anyway, injuries being unavoidable
I'm just going to start posting ideas of Heavy Units we can hopefully do in the future--TalOS, a Master Genetor of his day, showed a great fondness for the various abhumans within the wider Imperium. Much like how the Imperial Army saw the potential in specialized troops of the type, he sought to take it even furtherNoting that in many aspects, the average Ogryn was a being of some comparison to Space Marines (though of course, inferior in many aspects), the fact that there was indeed some comparison could not be denied. If their deficiencies, namely the lack of intelligence and the abject terror of small spaces, could be mitigated even further they could present a much cheaper and readily available source of heavy troops to supplement the acilliansOGRYN IRON 'EADSTaking the concept of Ogryn Bone'eads a bit further, and with the aid of fellow Genetors, whom within the Calixis Sector, have a particularly illustrious history, he has taken the concept much further and sought to make the process as mass applicable as possibleUsing technologies far in advance of those available to the Imperial Army, these augmented Ogryn's are gifted the best cognis enhancers and cortex implants available to be produced on a mass scale. While nowhere in comparison to those rare models available to tech-priests, space marines or those in the administratum, it has allowed these particular Ogryns to have a level of intelligence on par with that of a baseline human, while at the same time excising the fear of small spaces from their mindsThis allows an Iron 'ead to use their body to its full potential, and perform higher level guardsman functions such as knowing when to take cover, when to advance, how to follow orders, how to dig trenches and emplacements, and the most important skill of all: the right time to fire, and when not to fire, a gun. More finer tasks such as equipment and maintenance are handled by servo skull where feasibleTalOS also famously loathes the idea of any of his warriors running out of ammunition, a known problem with even the most intelligent of Ogryns but true for any soldier. As a result he might prefers energy weapons, as unlike conventional ammunition rounds, their storage can be highly compact energy cells that are faster to recharge. Thus these Ogryns are gifted particularly bulky and sturdy weapons, specifically designed for bashing and smashing as well as blasting. They even have a theme song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQYh0ZnDN1s OGRYN SERVITORSRecognizing that even with the most efficient forge world, the most optimal conditions, and plenty of time it may not at all be possible to implement the Iron 'ead augmentation to a large population of Ogryns, Ogryn Servitors are considered the next best thing. While requiring the handling of either a nearby Skitarri, Acillian, or a mass order transmitter from an HQ staff, they do away with the problems of intelligence as well as fear of small spaces
As the air around them settled the Acillian brought forward and set down a pendant in front of TalOS. Looking over the item TalOS noted how it was made of Silver and Gold, shaped into the form of the Cog Mechanicus. As it slid into the Primarch’s hands he looked upon it with a good sense of wonderment. +A Rosarious Field, how did you two even do this?+ TalOS asked as he glanced at them with a small bit of skepticism, +ED1SON, NIK0LA. I know of your talents; something like this is not within your realms of experience yet.+ +We had a little bit of help.+ Admitted ED1SON as NIK0LA held back looking a good bit sheepish, +Though the one who helped us does not wish to be named. He gave us the designs and led us through the process of how to create it. We wanted to give you something in honor of your new position, all of our Brothers did.+ +Interesting.+ TalOS was sure that he could figure out who exactly taught these boys how to create the item. He did not wish to spoil whatever reason the person asked for their identity to stay unknown.TalOS looked directly at the lower ranking of the two knowing full well he was taking a vid recording of TalOS, +ED1SON, NIK0LA, and the rest of the Acillians. I shall treasure it and wear it to every battle. Thank you.+ TalOS wrapped it around his neck and in an instant felt the force field kick on. TalOS could see a faint shimmer of refracting light, his eyes quickly figuring out that this was the field of the refractor. It was quite a powerful thing that would easily remove anything that hit it from this point of reality. TalOS could not help but give his two sons a hug as he could not fully express what he felt in words. With this the Legion could be sure that TalOS would be kept safe from almost any kind of small and medium arms fire that could be used against it. With that the day continued, mainly with TalOS getting and preparing the Volkite Blaster 2.0 for review. Just like TalOS said, within a month the Volkite Blaster was accepted and had entered assembly. As things continued in this path, the number of Acillians went up to a clean 1,500 men strong.
TalOS rubbed the Rosarious around his neck as he felt a good bit of force push down against him. Looking out his window the Arch Dominus could see the blessed grounds of Lucius grow wider and expand as he approached the climax of what was a Space Elevator. Just when he could start seeing the spherical shape of his blessed planet the Primarch of the Acillians arrived at the Void bound Shipyard. From his view port TalOS could see numerous ships being built and prepared, likely to replace those that were lost during the Crusade. The coming conversation was the most vital to TalOS and might even be the hardest. The Crusader walked his way through the halls with whatever workers present gawking for a few moments as they looked upon him. Normally men like these would be busy working on the Void Ships that littered the air but it seemed they had a little bit of time off. TalOS could only guess that the person he was about to visit had indeed kept up with TalOS’s Forge Administration Guidelines. After several Kilometers he finally arrived at the office of his compatriot. There, sitting at a desk with dozens of ports all sending data to their master was Arch Magos K00LT, the Arch Magos of the Shipyards. +Arch Dominus, two years, six months, nine days, and sixty eight minutes ago your predecessor stood in the exact spot that you are.+ Answered the Magos as he looked upon TalOS, +At that time he asked for twelve warships for his Plastoid Crusade. In that very Crusade the Ark Mechanicus Lucius, our Primogenitor, was lost to the insidious denizens of the Warp.+ There was a moment where both sides looked at one another. Invoking the fate of the Ark Mechnicus was not something TalOS wanted to hear straight out of the Magos’s mouth. However simply him getting this meeting meant there was some form of goodwill working for TalOS. +Such was probably the greatest lose of our Forge World.+ He said as while looking towards the mechanical eyes of his fellow, +However not all of the ships were lost, the Onus Probandi being the one I manned.+ There was a slim nod as the Tech Priest took out a written document and placed it before them, +The Onus Probandi, while receiving damages across the inner workings according to boarding actions did arrive well enough. However these are negligible, with the Machine Spirit being reported as ‘content’. You claim that to be your responsibility.+ +Indeed, in return for all the rituals I have done for her the ship honored me with its obedience.+ TalOS said with a good bit of humility in his voice.
The Arch Magos went through the room for a moment and studied TalOS again and again, numerous sensors checking the Arch Dominus. Such a thing was by far too invasive and at this moment TalOS would be permitted to take action against it, but he understood what they were checking. With a nod the Tech Priest once again spoke, +So you seek out void ships for your personal crusade?+ +I have been preparing for it. I can count millions of Skitarii under my command, enough armaments for all of them, as well as my sons numbering fifteen hundred.+ TalOS answered to the Arch Magos with a firmness within his voice, +Depending on how fast you would be able to field enough void ships, I would be willing to start sending our brothers and sisters to the stars.+ The Controller of the Shipyard nodded along with everything TalOS had said, +That is indeed quite the words. However I have been burned by the same man holding the same amount of assets. He specifically lost me our Primogeniture.+ +And I was the one who, through the same forge that consumed him, stood triumphant.+ Arch Magos K00LT nodded as they listened to it, +Arch Dominus, I am willing to give you Void Ships but you must accept the following terms. Firstly, that you prove within your first voyage that what happened to your predecessor does not happen again. After this I am willing to provide you with multiple fleets but I wish to make sure that I am not investing into a fool’s errand.+ +That is done, Arch Magos.+ +Of course I would need capital, both collateral and expenses, for your fleets.+ +That can be arranged.+ TalOS said while knowing full well he had enough assets to cover his bases thanks to the recent expansions. +Lastly, TalOS, I have noticed that you do not have anyone currently living underneath you.+ The Arch Magos answered while giving TalOS a dataslate, +This girl is a prodigy, and while not comparable to you can surely match you in time. I think she would make a fine apprentace.+TalOS took a moment and looked over the Data-slate that was given. Within seconds he checked and found out a couple more things about the person that were not being let on. First, that this person would likely give everything they learned to the Arch Magos, essentially making them a spy. TalOS was sure of this because: Second, it was their daughter. TalOS held back the chuckle, for everything until now was obvious. These were not tests to see if TalOS could achieve the Crusade, but that they wanted to make sure their scheme of sending their daughter off was a good idea. >Accept the Apprentice>Try and use something else of value. *Write in*>No, this won’t be acceptable. *Look into one of the lesser fleets available to Lucius.
>>5105499>You realise, Archmagos, if you wished for my secrets you need only ask. *Binary laughter*.>Interrogate the magos about his candidates suitability.The purpose here is to ensure that she has the right potential, experiences and capacity. Once we have learned all we can from the magos, and caught any slip ups.>Make a formal interview/test with the daughter mandatory.And then we test her, to see for oursleves. The double meaning here is that we have our own standards and won't compromise them, even when offered super fleets. If she fails, we can still accept but only teach her the barest basics.
>>5105506On the off chance that she isn't actually up for it, we can ask to select another apprentice from his complex of vassals. Should still satisfy him to keep it in his realm.As another point, we also need her specialisation. Ours is biology and titans/weaponry, what is hers? What sort of education is she seeking?
>>5105499I am inclined to believe the Arch Magos at his word.It's entirely likely he intends for her to be his heir, and has invested much into her growth and wants us to legitimately train her just as much as to keep tabs on us.>Accept the Apprentice>Make a formal interview/test"I have standards I will not compromise. I have zero reason to mistrust your words on her capabilities, and I fully expect her to meet your words without doubt. Even so, I will want to test her. Not out of some notion of formality, but because I hold all those who work under me as I would my own sons, and vice versa. Their abilities should be appraised, noted for strengths or any deficits, and improved. Such is my way and the way I wish my followers to be."
>>5105499>Counter offer>If she is truly that, Let us debate her and find her stance. >If it is acceptable we will take her, If not we can take another.If he refuses this, Fuck that we can build our own Dockyards
>>5105524I would rather not shed doubt upon the Arch Magos claim.For the one, it would be both stupid as well as illogical of him to try and give us a lackluster apprentice, and it would unnecessarily damage trust. Especially if it turns out she is genuine.And being illogical is a form of heresy, as much as it is insulting and useless, so there's very little reason for the Arch Magos to try and give us a bad apprentice.I believe there's an old Terran adage that says "Trust but Verify". That is what we must do. We trust his words on principle, we must also verify them on principle.Else it turns out she is genuine and we made things harder for us for little reason.Now if we do find out she sucks. . .THEN we can complain and switch her anyway. And that's precisely why I don't think he would send us a bad apprentice.
>>5105506>Support>>5105499>You worry for you progeniture's future Arch Magos K0LT? We may be of similar mind. I will bot let what happened with teh Ark Mechanicus happen to her, but I shall not coddle her either, a Dominus life is to be in the thick of danger afterall.
>>5105531But that is exactly what that anon is asking, to test her brfore accepting or denying.
Wait guys. Let's stop thinking like mortals for a second.We're the bloody TECHPRIEST PRIMARCHInterviews and debates? That's for people who can't think as fast as we can.>>5105499I'm changing my vote from >>5105517 to>Write-InUsing our supremely powerful mind and data surfing skills, gather up as much data on this girl we can remotely. Not just from the slate given to us, but every little thing we can. And do it so well and so fast, even the Arch-Magos cannot find out we did it.Then we use our enhanced cognition to assess her capabilities and potential on the spot without ever having met her.That's the way we should do it. Like Perturabo when he never touched an anvil in his life and just made a master crafted sword with his bare hands and a hammer.Time to show off.
Seriously if we are anything like the book Primarchs we would be going "Ah, good I had been hoping you would present her to me. I have already been able to analyze her abilities and they [are indeed impressive for a human/show much promise/ . . .are something to consider]. I look forward to meeting them in person.>>5105558>*And still meet her in person
>>5105558As far as I know Perty did some workmanship before he made the master crafter sword. He only forgot about it when the Eye of Terror became a constant figure in his mind, so probably some Daemonic fuckery there.
>>5105643Hmm, it is mentioned vaguely that he did do some smithing work, enhancing his legend as a boy wonderPart of me wishes to banish the scary Maelstrom and the visions of the future from Curze with some blank tech, but I have the feeling they will both reject the notion.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ambot>it's approved by admech to literally take a Xenos, cybernetically enthrall its brain, give it powerful exo armor and set it to work>this is even by 40k Interesting
>>5105684If you think that's outlandish, read up on Daemonhosts made by radical Inquisitors; think The Exorcist, but in reverse. There's even an entire chapter of Space Marines that are initiated with a very similar process of possession and exorcism, which protects them from Daemonic perception.
>>5103687I actually have some ideas on how to take this design even further. To be frank, I think we're currently thinking inside the box too much. Why are we limiting ourselves to the standard design of the front facing human form? Here's my idea:We should have full 360 degree vision, maybe something more practical of simple having additional optical sensors on the sides and back of our head. Or if we want to lean into the crazier aesthetics we could do something like pic related. But my main suggestion is a substantial alteration to the design of our torso. Increase its size and let it rotate at the hip. The increased size and rotation is to enable my main suggestion: multiple pairs of arms each loaded with a unique and devastating weapon loadout. These would face different directions and with our 360 degree vision we would be able to continuously devastate anything and everything within our sight. This would also address the minor problem I have with the current design of the big fast arm just kind of emerging from somewhere. What do you think, too crazy?
>>5105819sorry I meant>support
Oh hey, we got the love interest... Assuming Tal has enough squishy bits to begin with left, if Primarchs can reproduce to begin with, and that the girl will likewise not be a walking computer.
>>5105517>support>>5105558I mean, that sounds good and is definitely something i would like for us to do, but i still think that an interview could do us good. It would both give her a chance to defend herself and Reason with us on why she should become our apprentice, furthermore it will also help us keep a more Human Connection that the rest of the Primarchs (except Girlyman) lacks.>>5105684Ah! so we can make Cyborg Tyranids! Cravers, here we come!!
>>5105893I mean, while not exactly it, this is part of the working Theory. None of the Primarchs had human advisors/friends/lovers they really cared about while on Crusade except Angron. And you you know Angron is someone the exception something is off.I also have access to a lot of cute Tech Priest pics so I decided to just use them as well.
>>5105558Whats the point? That's not giving us any political advantage or doing anything beyond showing off and satisfying our ego.>>5105524Support.
>>5105961Guilliman did. Lorgar did. Angeron of course, alpha and omegon did.
>>5105961>>5105893 ̶L̶i̶f̶e̶ the Motive Force finds a way.[Spoiler] If there were any Primarch to investigate if offspring were feasible by any means, it would be usI wonder if it results in sensei like dad
>>5105972Pretty sure Fulgrim had a wife. And the Lion had his dad raised to a fake space marine for him to live forever.
>>5106034Fulgrim had several. Presumably they aged and he was not able to or wanted to have life extension
>>5106034Almost forgot about Pert and Calliphone.
>>5106053Pert frustrates me especially that particular case.It's as if the Emperor gave him all his pride, and literally none of his eternal patience. And hes supposed to be the siege master. His temper is akin to that of Angrons.How do we help him?
>>5106072We can only help him by showing him that we love him... Yes, this will actually work.Why and How?Well, it will work because we are telling him, directly, that we love him as our brother and we do this, not out of Duty, but out of a shared bond of Closeness. This is something that Perturabo has never really experienced in his life, hell, when he first met humans he didn't have the same compulsion to be with them that all of the other Primarchs had. Combine that with his very unfortunate case of Memory loss that also coincided with him beginning to see the Mealstrom (Eye of Terror) and then having a guard tell him he couldn't see it (same happened when he asked Ferrus if he could see it) he just needs to be told, to his face, that we love him as our brother and will do everything we can to support him.
>>5106074Just to expand on this, Horus told Perturabo that he respected him and what he did, Which led to Perty single-Handedly carrying the war to the Doors of Terra.... Let that sink in.... Horus telling Perturabo "Good Job", made Perturabo do ANYTHING for Horus.
>>5106074I hope he will be okay with us hiding the maelstrom with blank tech as much as the emperor did by blinding golden light He might not but it's worth asking
>>5106100It most likely will be a great help to his psyche, 'cause if i remember correctly, then Perturabo is disturbed by the Mealstrom and feel that it is watching him and judging him, at all times.
>>5106112Curze was even worse but someone once told me he would likely reject an attempt even by the Emperor himself to banish the nightmares seeing them as prophetic and being a deterministic believer in fate.Opposed to sanguineous who believed visions could be countered or changed. A belief slightly shared by the thousand sons
>>5106140Yeah, Curze is a weird one, even when it comes to Primarchs, 'cause he has a great understanding of the Law and Justice, but having no Concept of Ethics and ensuring a cuntinuation of ones Legacy after ones death. This is shown most clearly when he once found and captured a civilian who could have followed in his footsteps and made an order of Judges and Officers that would have been uncorruptible, but because there was also a small chance he would betray Curze and very very Very slightly hurt him with a REGULAR SHITTY KNIFE, Curze decided to kill him, just to avoid the wound and potential loss of Fear he could generate.
>>5106053As far as I know Pert and Calliphone were the only pair that at least liked the other. Hell I am pretty sure the reason Calliphone staged the rebellion was because Perty was 'forced' on a crusade and away from home. All the others, let them be passing lovers or mortal 'friends', never actually did a thing to the Primarchs. Though the City Eaters to Angron is an unknown. We don't know much about their relationship with the Primarch.
>>5106451Kor Phaeron and Luther also did a big impact on Lorgar and Lion, so much that they went out of their way to try to astartefy them when they were past their prime, and put them as their second-in-command.
>>5106568You're right, Luther and Phaeron had big impacts on their primarchs. However at that point I see them as just Space Marines.
>>5106571I don't know, they got close with the primarchs when they were normal people, were not indocrinated and had their own lifes, they really were more like mortals+ than space marines, specially since they were treated diferently, being fathers rather than sons.Calliphone could very well accepted the age extending tech and followed Pert around, and she would have the same weight as then as advisors for example, but she chose not to, and to remain in Olympia doing fuck all, because she did not eben hold back Demarkos's stupidity. Sometimes I think Pert liked her because she was also a bit autistic.
>>5106600Its pretty obvious she did take said treatments, since she was alive for atleast 200 years. Though that was a mess on both ends, Perty not visiting his family and them not (or not able to) go out and see him.
>>5106638Wait, then why the fuck did the wiki says she didn't? Maybe she only took the simplest, non-intrusive ones?
>>5106661Its simple math. She was probably young when she met Perty (7-12) and the heresy happened 200 years later. Unless natural humans are long lived she had some sort of treatment.
We would want to validate, madam>>5105506>>5105535>>5105517>>5105558>>5105769>>5105973>>5105824>>5105524>>5105900
>>5106678Maybe she just didn't take the regenerative to stay looking young, but did take age extending things.
>>5106722Its the most reasonable assumption, though whenever I hear about her I always think she's still young and not old as fuck. Only makes her bitch fest against Perty that much more insane.
Any name suggestions?
>>5106727Pert getting scolded by a childlooking 200 year old would have been funny, but I'm sure she was described was old.>>5106738For what, the techpriest waifu?
>>5106738for the girl?Lise MeitnerL1S3 M31N3R
>>5106745She descovered nuclear fission, for reference
>>5106746Marie Curie.Or maybe someone related to Samuel Colt. His wife was Elizabeth right?
>>5106755I kinda wanna name her after a gun at the moment, but the best I have is B4R.
>>5106759Mauser UziM4U53R UZ1
>>5106759Naming a cyborg girl after a girl is the way to that chinese mobile game. But Lieren has a shipfu, so fuck it, it's all fair game.I'm not a /k/ommando, so I can only contribute with this link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt%27s_Manufacturing_Company
>>5106661>>5106727It may be old lore that says she didn't take any regeneration, but she absolutely did in newer loreAt least in Hammer of Olympia, she very much did go the full mile to live the extra hundred years while her brother andros did not.>Bent with age, Calliphone looked olderthan Dammekos by far. Perturabo found her appearance profoundly shocking. His foster sister, the arch, complicated and intelligent girl he had come close to loving – the only person he had ever felt thatway for, save the Emperor himself – had become a hag, and itdisgusted him>Exoskeletal braces whirred under herskirts
>>5106779Tried to live long enough to see her brother set foot on Olympia once again. ;(
>>5106794Also a possible picture of her
>>5106779That excerpt says the was old and haggard looking, so the theory that she did take age extension but did not regenerate her youth has merit.Now for why the fuck she did this, it's a mystery. Maybe there are side-effects she didn't want to gamble on. Maybe she tought it was unnatural to be old yet young looking. Maybe the youth regeneration is more intrusive than mere extension. Maybe she felt she didn't deserve her beauty.Guess we will never know the truth.
>>5106807>but did not regenerate her youth has merit.Is that possible?As nobles of Olympia she should have been rich. Does the Imperium have any tech to keep someone ageless and young for a very long time? I was under the impression the most that stuff can buy you without going full on Tech-Priest level cybernetics is 100 years of sustained life as a relative timeframe and you still age.
>>5106809She was the daughter of the Planetary Governor for a long ass time so she was rich. As for rejuvenation treatments we know from the Cain novels that you can at least reach 300 years and still be in good health.
>>5106809I remember some nobles thots being hundreds and still looking like their 30s, and 40k has shittier tech than 30k so it's probably possible.
>>5106815Perhaps what is available to civilians isn't as good as what is available to Heroes of the ImperiumOr perhaps, yes, it was indeed a choice as to how far she would go and how much resources she would expend.Olympia was after all a single planet, and being drained dry by Perturabo, while Cain's enhancements may have been the byproduct of several planets worth of money.Local availability, personal choice, could be many reasons.On that note, I hope our girl intends to live an exceptionally long time frame. maybe we can experiment on giving her perpetual genes from Vulkan or at least ageless genetech based upon us if she so seeks
>>>>5106820From what I understand a baseline human cannot live past a thousand years unless something really fucked happen. Tech Priests can live, well, until someone smashes their brain in. Its arguable that if you don't do that the mother fuckers will just have their brain retrieved by a Servitor and either be rebuilt or turned into a Servo-Skull. Custodes are cleanly Immortal, no need for additional Teach. Marines lives for about a thousand without augments, though they usally either die or are turned into Dreadnaughts before then.
>>5106821We just need to regurlaly inject some of our lively nanomachines into her to keep her synth-flesh lustrous and healthy
>>5106826 despite being the most mechanical, inorganic, and outwardly inhuman of the primarchswe are closer to Fulgrim when it comes to expressions of attraction
The Primarch thought about it again and again, thinking of the situation he was placed in. In his honest opinion he was up for accepting someone as his apprentice. This person however would need to show themselves to be both capable and able enough to learn from him. Hell, there was always the point that they would be incompatible in the form of occupations.TalOS quickly began scanning the series of systems and mainframes that made up the Noosphere network. During this time TalOS would not draw the ire of his associate for decisions like this took Tech Priests around two minutes to fully categorize and measure. TalOS was faster than them, but that only meant it gave him more time to think even harder about it. Quickly TalOS noted the person’s age was only seventeen years of age, which struck him as an oddity right off the bat as he also confirmed that she was an Adept. She even got her rank two years prior, which would be quite the feat if it was not TalOS beating it by several years. It seemed since then the girl was kept under lock and key by Arch Magos K00LT, and likely for good reason. Someone who was able to be appointed to the Cult of that age would draw many ires. Maybe the only reason she did not draw the attention of everyone was because TalOS was making waves across the planet itself. Half a minute had passed since these thoughts started, which meant it was about time for TalOS to begin the conversation once again, +Interesting, Arch Magos. Don’t take offense, but I do wish to meet her and learn a little more about her. If nothing than to confirm all the information you have given me.+ To the Arch Magos’s credit she did not break out in a rage at the suggestion. If she still had enough flesh TalOS was sure she would be smiling at him with a wicked smile as if he just landed in her trap. +Very well, she has been summoned.+ The Tech Priest said as TalOS noticed a ping of information leaving her system into the greater network. Within less than a minute there was a ping coming from the nearby doors. Considerate. Another ping from the Arch Magos and the doors before them opened up with a small bit of meekness. Stepping out of the doors was a small girl wearing a pair of artificial lenses and carrying a power-tool. With his eyes the Primarch quickly noticed that she indeed had all the augmentations that made her an ordained Tech Priest. He could not however understand why she still had her natural eyes. With someone like Arch MAgos K00LT as their parent it surely would have been replaced by now. +Uh, Arch Dominus TalOS!+ She quickly gave TalOS a bow of immense respect, +It is an honor to meet you!+
+Adept UZ1 SPR1NGFIELD.+ TalOS said as he allowed her to rise with a wave of his hand, +It is a pleasure to meet you.+ +Oh, thank you sir!+ She stammered with surprise at the sheer sincerity of TalOS’s words. If they were coming out of a normal person the words would have been stuttered but thanks to the glories of the Machine there was nothing that could stop words from coming out. +UZ1, Arch Dominus TalOS wishes to speak with you. He would even be willing to accept you as an apprentice if you show yourself capable.+ The Arch Magos said in term that TalOS wondered should be used for their own child. +Understand Arch Magos!+ Announced the girl as she stood up as straight as she could, +My Lord, I am ready for anything that you give me!+ TalOS gave a solemn nod to those words and started his questioning. First things first he wanted to know, +Have you attained any specialty yet? While you are young there must have been a rite or ritual that captured your attention.+ She gave a nod before responding, +Arch Dominus, I have no specialization. I do however wish to see myself travel the stars just as the Arch Magos had.+ A recited answer. TalOS stared at her scrutinously and wondered if she was telling the truth. Indeed there was truth in her words but he felt it was not the center of her as a person. Was it simply the natural desire to explore, or the desire to become like her parents? This would need a little bit more, +What is it you want to learn from me? You might have heard, but I am specialized in the art of biology and war. These are the things I would be able to teach you, would they be of interest to you?+ +Yes Arch Dominus!+ She said with such certainty that it was far more powerful than what had come before. There was a moment’s lul as she realized more was expected of her and she tried to put her best foot forward. With a tightening of her hands upon her tool she spoke, +I wish to learn the arts of war so that I can prevent what happened to Lucius six years ago!+ An interesting answer with some fire in it. TalOS knew that many of the Acillians said the same thing to him before their operation began, which meant that such words easily pierced into a good spot in TalOS’s heart. Things were quickly coming into focus for TalOS, as he looked at her records again he noticed that her ordainment was roughly a week after the Crusade Force left the planet. +You were ordained in a record time, Adept UZ1. If I may ask, were you by chance trying to join the Crusade?+
Those words TalOS just spoke seemed to resonate greatly with the girl as her eyes slowly widened themselves. Behind him, TalOS could tell on a somewhat raw level that the Arch Magos was not expecting this question to come up. With it there was even a moment of embarrassment as if TalOS realized some deep harbored secret. The Primarch was no fool and pieced everything together. If the Arch Magos really wanted it she could have, both herself and her child, gone on Crusade with the rest of the fleet. A slightly off date ordainment was enough of a reason to prove this to be the case. TalOS could sympathize. He was the one who led 27 of his own sons to their deaths on the Plastoid planet and he would not forgive himself for it. However unlike the woman behind him TalOS followed the logic of his fellow Domini. They could not have secured such a grand victory if it was not for the deployment of the Acillians. The Arch Magos, who only had this one child to their mortal legacy, probably weighed the values very differently from what TalOS had. With a smirk the Primarch quickly processed a series of documents and data folds within his own brain. These were then converted into a single document and sent to the girl with a directly link, +Adept UZ1, what I have given you is a small test. Complete it to the best of your ability, you have five minutes and I permit you to access the Noosphere for raw information. You cannot however, communicate directly with someone.+ She gave a surefire nod before becoming silent. Within seconds TalOS was able to monitor the network of the Arch Magos for activity and retrieving of information. This of course made sure that no one, ae her parent, would attempt to help her in this feat. This test was something of a unique creation for TalOS, as it was an attempt to comprehend the ability of the person as well as their personal knowledge. The main problem with testing the mental facilities of Acillians is that they had a nasty tendency to remember every single moment of their life. Thus his sons would simply remember entire books and be vastly more prepared than a baseline human, meaning memory based examination was useless.Thus the test within the processors of Adept UZ1 was a data retrieval, data validation, and data comprehension test. She definitely would not have the information on her so she would need to search for it. She was given information then asked the question whether she needed more information or something else. The last, well, did she comprehend what she went by her eyes? She was definitely working hard, so much so that TalOS was noticing a few Machine Spirits preparing to raise defenses against her. TalOS simply deflected their suspicions by giving an unheard prayer to their beings. They were wary, but did not intervene in what was being recognized as an attack upon the shipyards.
Five minutes then passes with a resounding click coming from the Adept as she stood there idle for seven seconds. TalOS could not really blame her as he noticed she had purposefully forced her internal processes and Machine Spirits into overdrive in order to complete the document in time. However she knew she was done and sent over the document after that with an emotionless expression. He gave her a minute to continue cooling off as even if she failed this TalOS would give her respect for giving it her all. There was no shame in losing to something that TalOS would admit was built by and for super humans. The results however, well, they were promising. She completed 89% of the document, which compared to the hard average of 70% for the Acillians, TalOS was already intrigued. Comparing the results to the answer sheet TalOS had wiped up showed that all her answers were correct. A little nagging feeling hit TalOS, based on the sheer amount of processing, that she likely double or triple verified her answers before moving on. Simply put, she wanted to make sure the information was perfect. Others would have accepted the risk of false answers, and maybe she would have too, but at this moment where her entire life was in the balance she tried her damndest to approach perfection. TalOS could comfortably say that she was intelligent, only a few points behind N1KOLA and ED1SON. If TalOS got her more comfortable and maybe made sure she understood that risks were necessary, well, she held a decent chance at beating them. >Accept her>Change the terms a little while accepting her *Write in*>Nope, sorry, not taking her.
>>5106863>Accept>"There is no reason to deny you. Welcome aboard!"She's good. She has the ethic, just got to keep her communications tapped and secure her loyalty.
>>5106863>Accept her>You have not only suceeded, but have exceeded expectations. Welcome aboard.
>Accept her"From this day forth I ask only two things: Loyalty and Honesty. Never hide a thing from me because you are afraid of how I might respond, and never fear my response. I would rather try to fix a problem head on, than let it fester in a hidden place. I show forgiveness and protection to those who seek to remain loyal and make amends, and punish with prejudice those who show willful betrayal and refusal to ask forgiveness.In private speak freely, in public be prepared to keep that which I may need secret. Follow my orders, question them to me if you must, disagree if you shall, but support them before all should I command.This is all I ask of my sons, my servants, and this is what I ask of you.">tl;dr speak her mind, follow me but don't be afraid to ask questions, and remain loyal above all>it's what we would ask of our sons, and so we would ask of her
>>5106895"And of course, welcome aboard!"
>>5106863>Accept her>Change the terms a little while accepting her *Write in*Ask K00LT to also share information that would otherwise not be available to us through regular means and the noosphere.
>>5102420>>5102409>>5102783Seemds like a good idea except for maybe the promotions bit. As I would expect they would need a few more credentials to make sure they know their shit enough to actually handle their promotion. Then again if they bit off more than they can chew and suck we can just turn them into a servitor as an example. So nevermind.>>5103265Easier to disguise as a training program for newer techpriests. It will be harder to get the already ordained techpriests and the higher their rank the worse it will be. Which reminds me we still need to update the skittari training sims to adjust to our own sons.>>5103318>>5103327You want us to program a poorly disguised AI? I mean machine spirit adviser in case we die during the Horus Heresy? Which to be fair is a very high possibility given we are going to be Horus's #2 target. In terms of AI usage and Talos stance for heresy. The only clear distinction is how much he HATES warp corruption which is why he despises psykers and likes blanks. Arguably in terms of AI they would be a secondary concern at most for him but that depends on how much he knows about the Men of Iron and why they betrayed humanity(especially given TalOS unusual affection for humans despite being a zealot techpriest). Along with his future knowledge of Admech aligned AIs who larp as Machine Spirits which he will no doubt encounter and have some VERY interesting conversations with given how intelligent they are when compared to far more primitive 'machine spirits'. Which hasn't yet happened but will no doubt be a huge turning point for his position in terms of AI(especially once he meets and talks with those hidden AIs loyal to the Machine God). The only thing TAlOS outright hates is warp fuckery and the biggest reason why he despises psykers. Which means in terms of other matters like xeno technology he can be considered very 'radical' in nature but a complete puritan hard ass for all matters warp related. To such an extent he has a very keen interest in blank technology and loves blanks along with potentially considered psyker technology study for the purpose of better understanding how to counter the warp, but that is probably as far as he will go in terms of warp phenomenon.So in my opinion in terms of warp and psykers related matters Tal0S can be considered a puritan but in all other matters a radical.
>>5106863>Accept her>>5105358I'm gonna be sad if we don't have a frenemy Ork Warboss who also REALLY loves his dakka, shiny gubbinz, tek, boyz, and meks. I can totally imagine the Acillians getting butthurt and jealous over Ork with extra guns on their guns and massive amounts of dakka despite WAGH bullshit. Unlike with a Necron enemy the rivalry between the MC and an Ork warboss would be hilarious as well as a ton of fun. While necron rival would be fun too but not nearly as hilarious as a proper Ork warboss who just wants to compete(battle) with Tal0S over who has the best boyz, fun toys, greatest tek, and most dakka. I would imagine it will be hotly debated among our space marines and Ancillians over which enemy they prefer Necrons or Orks. >>5105900Cyborg Tyranids require us somehow survive the Horus Heresy. Tal0S would have a field day with a Nid Queen to experiment on given their biomanipulation capabilities. Pretty much his dream come true in terms of genetic manipulation.
The potential waifu doesn't seem much, looks like the clumsy type, but doesn't stammer. Also, natural eyes so that she can carry glasses, kek.Does she have big buns on her chest so that she can store bioplasma for her guns? Heh.
>>5106863>Accept herHmm, I wonder if we'll integrate her into the legion in the future. Augmented enough she could no doubt keep pace with our sons. It'd be interesting to have a non-space marine incorporated due to merit.
>>5107263We work closely with skitarii, having an exceptional tech priest to adjust their actions could very well be a thing.
>>5102420>>5107089Eventually the ideal will be to have human planets under our system have basic needs provided for (food/shelter/basic education) as a standard, but this will be as a result of social contract. Either their direct parent became a skitarii, a regular army volunteer, or a servitor thus earning the right to life of their offspring. People will still be required to work some job, we won't be a work free utopia and vagrancy will be criminalized, but they won't be grueling jobs and nobody will starve and people will at least be encouraged to pursue as far as they can go much like Ultramar.Even nobles. Nobles get a pass to do rich people things, so long as their overall families manage to maintain compliance and offer highly skilled individuals. We will likely encourage nobles to become ambassadors, military commanders, and higher level positions. "Nobility obliges" and all that. Most nobles will be encouraged to become shiny golden cybernetic techpriests or battle commanders, and will become shiny and fancy servitors upon death and perform elite tasks.The pay common people earn for extra service the harder they work can be spent on things such as luxuries, educational advancements, and the right to pursue more than simply living day by day. Regularly surveillance will look for intelligence individuals to recruit into the techpriest as always. At the absolute worst if someone is lazy and intent on doing the bare minimum and achieving nothing in life, they can at least atone for their laziness in the flesh by service to the Machine God and Forge World upon death by servitorization after their death by natural causes.>>5107089>which is why he despises psykers and likes blanksI won't go so far as to say TalOS despises psykers, he isn't going to be a hard liner like Perturabo.He simply highly prefers not to use them, and prefers the blank. But there is a place in the Machine Gods realm for the Magos Psykana, and a place for those of his sons who have psychic potential. Even if it that is to be sent to those ordos who specialized in the psyker and away from the legion, to be called upon at the time when needed.Much like Guilliman strongly prefers to leave his destroyer companies as a last resort where he can, but knows they are as much his sons as everyone else and there are times and a place for biochemical and rad weapons, a lesson he understood on Thoas.We will not reject our Psychic sons if they appear, we will encourage them as any other form of knowledge. But we will endeavor to have a much stronger Blank tech presence and perhaps even genetically engineering the likihood of the pariah gene activating rather than the psyker one.
We are not on a quest to rid the Galaxy of human psykers or purge those who are loyal and not traitors or fiends. Knowledge of the Warp, if controlled to the benefit of man, is still knoweldge. Just as our Father is a great psyker, and so is Malcador, and our brother Magnus and those in the Magos Psykana.Instead we are are the counter balance, the equal and opposite reaction as per the great Elder New-Ton.Where there is Magnus, there is TalOS. Where there is the Thousand Sons, there is our legion. We exist on the opposite side of an equally valid spectrum, for is that not the purpose of the Assignment, to categorize both Psyker and Blank from the Apex Plus to the Omega Minus? As the fires of nocturne burn hot, the winds of fenris blow cold. So to Prospero and Lucius on matters of the warp.Let Magnus and his sons be the lords of the Empyrean and unreality, they should be encouraged to pursue their craft, their knowledge in the pursuit of mankinds glory. We shall be the lords of reality, those who seek to ground that which is around them to the blessed mathematical and physical formulae of the Machine God. And just as many legions have needs for their librarian when the foe presents itself, we shall be there ready to counter any dangerous psychic threats by the foes of man in our way.We will support Magnus in the Council of Nicea, by presenting ourselves as the great equalizer. His opposite and brother. If our other brothers are so afraid of the Warp, then let us alleviate their fears and become The Counter Balance.
>>5107294Nah, I'm going with Mortarion on this one.
>>5107486The problem with having a hard line anti-psyker stance, is that blanks can be considered a form of Psyker, and if the Council of Nicea happens against their favor our own blank studies could be banned.It may not stop us, but I'd rather at least not be a hypocrite as well. Also, strategically, us being the counterweight to fears of the librarian and the warp will give our brothers and the Emperor more reason to support our blank studies.
Also, Gentlemagos, I it is with great pleasure I present to you all for your consideration, a long term plan for TalOS
>>5107515I was going to say that the servoskull with a gun in the left looked like a boombox instead, but than I read it was a sonic weapon loud-hailer.Weaponized Powerwolf songs when?>>5107510I would say that blanks gets a psyker pass because Emps did the Council and he didn't Thunder-Warriors the Sisters of Silence.
>>5107526To be fair, the Emperor also didn't ban Malcador using psychic powers either, and the obvious implications on Astropathis and Navigators.The ban was specifically on Space Marine legions using them in combat. Which is what we want to do with blanks.It also didn't specifically say to kill psykers, just not to use their powers. In any case, I find it likely blanks won't get a psyker pass because even in 40k they don't and are considered as dangerous and mutant as actual psykers and sought after by the Inquisition equally.
>>5107531Yeah no, the only reason every blank is tracked down in 40k is because Inquisitors value a Blank's weight in gold. Thus the capture order would probably be on any Blank, for Inquisitor Psykers who hate them and those who want them. Anyways denying blanks when you ban psykers is counter to the point that Psykers can be corrupted. The ban was to tell the Thousand Sons not to do heresy, yet they did heresy and Magnus did a lot of dumb things using psychic powers.
>>5107486Mortarion fell just as hard so it's not like blind ignorance was any better than Magnus' rampant thirst for knowledge.
>>5107536Fair enough.I just hope that if we truly go hard line stance against Psykerism in our legion, we do better than Perturabo who probably killed them all or Angron who almost assuredly did.Maybe we can just send any Acillian psykers to the Magos Psykana, not being part of our legion formal.I just think it might be a good point of friendship with Magnus if we simply viewed him as our equal opposite, rather than something to be reviled. The Yin to our Yang. Elsewise, I suspect if we are truly "we despise all psykers" we're going to be another reason Magnus does dumb things, instead of at least trying to help him.and honestly Magnus staying loyal and not fucking up the Webway which we might end up helping the Emperor on would be good too.
>>5107536Yeah, it's not even the Black Ships operated by the Telepathica that collects blanks, but the Sister of Silence hitchihiking/stationed on said Black Ships.They are considered separate from psykers on a institutional level.
>>5107539It's not about falling or not, it's about not going back on TalOS beliefs and stances to be a perfect rational good boy that can do no wrong.It smeels and feels of Bob being turned into GW's posterboy pet.
>>5107515>>5107513It's nice but I feel like replacing Tal0s' face fully like pic related would fit more into the transhumanism tech priest aesthetic goes for.Plus it's a bit top heavy, it would work better if the mechandrites were spread around over and under the waist,not just all on the shoulders. Same with the back guns
>>5107539This is also the reason.I firmly desire us to take on a scientific approach to the warp, even or especially as we focus on blank technology. Much akin to the way the Thousand Sons do to, they are firm believers in the Imperial Truth and reject the notion of gods (however they were blinded to the fact that god-like entities or beings who charade as gods existed).Lorgar and Kor-Pharon calls them gods, Magnus disagrees and simply refuses to see them. We take the third option, the one compatible with the Imperial Truth: "They are Sentient Gestalts of Psychoemotive Will given form by the collective subconscious of lifeforms in the galaxy, who pretend themselves to be gods but must be shunned and suppressed." There is no sorcery, only the Psychokinetic Manifestation. No demons, simply warp xenos. I think this is ultimately more compatible to what the Emperor hoped to do anyway.
>>5107541Come to think of it, it was Malcador himself, a powerful Psyker, who initiated the Pariah Project. But of course, there was no way to hide such a mass of Psykers on Terra (probably the worst place to have them given the number of navigator houses, the astronomica, etc.)I hope we can work with Malcador on having a different place for him to work on, and even help, in the Pariah Project.The best of all would be our legion to be supported by said Paraiah Project.
>>5107547Can't do that after he already decided that they are rivals Gods going around ruining everything the Machine God represent, and was haunted by them ever since his borth.Serioustly, stop trying to change the personality of our boy to force your enlightned superior being, I'm okxwirh studying the warp to know how to fight against it, and sending the psyker to the Psykana, since it fits with the vote to study the xenos' tech to combat it, but that crosses the line.
>>5107544That's a valid criticism, though I would argue the Mortarion,/Angron viewpoint goes too far in the other direction that it doesn't fit Tal0s either.Tal0s' thing is discovery and innovation, and studying the unknown up to certain lines he won't cross, like when he fed on Plastid corpses despite the danger but saw that the warp entities we're dangerous enough that he insisted on following the rules and vaporizing anything marginally related to the plastic's god. For me Tal0s would be against the banning of anything psykers related because realistically it's a silly and it prevents him from developing technology related to and counter to the warp, not because he gives a shit about wizards not being allowed to play with their fireballs. Technology similar to the psi-titan and/or culexis load out. So it would be more he would agree to some regulations to prevent abuse and check psykers, but not the extreme Miles went to. >>5107547This too>>5107545Fuck meant this
>>5107551See that, I can support too.Just hold your horses and remember that we are a tech PRIEST, not just a scientist, otherwise we lose the biggest flavour of the quest.
>>5107554Thing is, the council was not about haha psyker bad lets get rid of them, it was about creating the librarium, where they would be supervised and controlled instead of running around free.All this talk about studying and controlling pyskers fit the vote in favour of the librarium, not against it.
>>5107515Doc Ock is a good example of mechandrites being spread on out evenly around the body rather just all from the shoulders going up
>>5107553There is always a duality of thought you know. We can recognize the existence of false idols and rival gods, but not that they are worthy of considered divine rivals. Guilliman makes a reference to "The gods of battle" in a figurative sense but is a firm believer in the Imperial Truth. Also please don't pretend that your view alone is also what TalOS personality is.I'm wanting to open up this conversation specifically so that we as players might consider who exactly TalOS is, his stance on things, whether he truly bites the kool-aid of the existence of enemy gods at face value or has a more nuanced view.Now, if QM steps in and says TalOS specifically has a more narrow minded view of Gods, I'll concede. There is nothing wrong with debating on the nature of TalOS so that we can hash out these disagreements and come to an accord sooner than later.
>>5107294This manner of grand speech is really grating on my nerves. Both presumptuous of how you think we will go, predeciding on Specialities we have had no conception or notion to try yet and completely certain with your capability to match the greatest psykers of the materium.And most infuriatingly of all, there are several assumptions of Talos' feelings towards psykers. We hate witchcraft, the sorcery of the aliens which appealed to their god.We have not met, nor debated nor argued on the intrinsic worth of a human psyker and until such a time, and attempts to determine our course, like at nikea, is personal desires spoken like consensus. So politely as I am able, kindly stop making such presumptive and incredibly likely announcements of our course.
>>5107557Uh actually it's the opposite iirc, librarians had already existed and were banned by the council of Nikea, with psykers in the legions not allowed to use their powers and librarians stripped of their rank and ordered back into being regular space Marines.
>>5107554The party of primarchs inf favour of the psykers were not even against regulation, their big pitch was to confine psykers to schools until they learned how to use their powers. Which is really damn sensible.
>>5107560But TalOS has straight up dreamed, talked with them, and said they were gods, while AD1M1N said that was weird. There is no ambiguiety.
>>5107555>Just hold your horses and remember that we are a tech PRIEST, not just a scientistThere in lies the actual dilemma, even for the canon 40k.A techpriest is both a priest, and a scientist, both. Some lean hard against the religious element more than others, while others hold a more subdued and nuanced view, still believing but applying a healthy dose of rationality whether they are called radicals or rationalists. There are many different ways to view the will of the Machine God.So that begs to question, where does TalOS lie on that scale? Is he more like Lorgar, a hard lined puritan who truly leans hard into only viewing things through the eyes of religious dogma and tradition alone, or is he more like Cawl or the Emperor, seeing things with knowledge and reason but tempered with belief (at least in Cawls case).If we want to play him as heavily priest like and more Lorgar like I'm all for it. I'd even drop any such notions of seeking to scientifically understand the warp, and view it more religiously. I would at least want to know if that's what most people wanted so we could firmly decide upon it.
>>5107563If I came off as deciding or dictating, that is not my intention and if it came that way I apologize. My intent was to just open up an opinion and also I am mostly projecting ahead of time when such matters will be encountered.And I can recognize when my opinion is not supported or a majority.I retract my notions on TalOS psykers. My intent is not to dictate or change the flow of things, I just had my views on TalOS and simply wanted to posit them.So I will apologize and say that I concede.
>>5107567I'd argue that the Mechanicum of the 30k is a lot more split on the issue of innovation versus preservation, and that they're closer to religious scientists than the full on anti innovators of the 40k. So it really just depends on how we want to play Tal0s, but our actions so far are definitely more innovative than hard line puritan.
>>5107571>>5107567But we are difinitaly very religious, my problem is trying to act like the faith is purely mathematic logic, when whe already have acted like we have a belief.So far, we have been an innovator, but held onto our emotional faith too.I don't wnat to cut one to live like the order, otherwise ghis is just big brain primarch scientist mini emperor who happens to wear a red robe quest.
>>5107567To be quite frank, using everything we have seen so far, Talos is a puritan zealot of the machine cult. Change is possible but as it is, he will view everything through the eyes of knowledge and attempting comprehension of it, but refuse to break any of the 16 laws.Exceptions can be made in dark times, but as per my current assessment of his actions, piety, thoughts we can see and discussions he has had, this is the assessment I am willing to stand behind.>>5107570The intent isn't misguided, but your words have the social capacity of a domini.So from the beginning, clean slates, what can we say about psykers from Talos' perspective?Not much from personal experience, but as a rather innovative techpriest, he probably isnt liable to shun them completely.You think he would have them as frontline members? Offering fire support?
>>5107571That's kinda why I'm just wanting to talk. Throw out a line and see what we are likely wanting to play TalOS as.There's definitely players who want him to go the religious stance and viewing things spiritually.I've voiced my desire to take a more nuanced rationalist stance, viewing things scientifically yet under the purview of religion. Until I see anything else, it seems to me most people here and TalOS will go the spiritual route.
>>5107571To add to this with my own opinion, so far it seems to me that Tal0s is very strictly a follower of the Omnissiah and its laws, but his interpretation of how to act within the confines of those teachings are different, since the point they're practically safety regulations. So he goes about things differently than other tech priests but still shows the zealotry to the machine god to match any of his peers.>>5107573That's fair, I definitely love the faith aspect to Tal0s' character and don't want to hurt it. Doesn't mean he's not allowed to be the engineer he's shown to be though, the idea of Tal0s showing his devotion to the machine god by slowly discovering DAoT tech, mastering the black box tech they have now like the Cellar Fields, and learning how things work to pass on the knowledge of the venerable ancients to pass down to the future tech priests to lead humanity into and age of holy transhumanism is way more based then just "I'm religious so new things bad" which is such a gay ass trope.
>>5107574So far, Psykers have been vile manipulative aliens that have attacked Lucius, his home. This would have been bad enough, their abilities dangerous and alien, to be subject to retaliation. What really made clear that they had to be wiped out was the contact with the "thing" (demon of tzeentch) that tried to tempt specifically HIM against his god, his believe, humanity and his home. The fact it could contact him in that sacred place made absolutely clear they HAD to go. That is his current view, everything regarding spykers connects to these demons.This will change, inevitably, once he learns that he and his sons are or can be considered psykers, at that point he will have to make a choice, accept, understand and learn or deny and excise these talents/abilities/sons.
>>5107575Personally I just don't feel like they're mutually exclusive but I guess I'm the minority
>>5107579Basically learning who his father is, what psykers are and that he is one, is gonna be one hell of a trip and likely a crisis of faith, in his god, himself or the emperor is gonna be down to us i bet.
>>5107574I think TalOS would try to understand the psykers, know how they work, and how one could fight against them. He porbably would have a more cautious, or even negative view because of his dislike for the warp, his experience with daemons and the plastoids, and knowing the Lucius had put a purge order in the past.xi doubt he would allow them on the battlefield unsurpevised before he did a battery of test, and found a way to mitigate the oerils of the warp.Of coursez if he ever saw how faith could help shield one from chaos, and at the same time strenhthen their powers, I could see him creating a position like a chaplain and codifying a strict librarium before eveyone else.
>>5107573Our emotions will have to go eventually, due to the extensive augments. But some high rankers usually have a box to keep them in and then let out as the situation requires.Regarding innovation however, that presents an idea. What if we learned about numerology? Exact angles summoning Angel's and shit. It could make for an interesting study topic.>>5107575Can I ask what is the difference between the spiritual view, rather than nuanced scientific view. Despite what the modern world says, science and faith are not incompatible with the first often being followed to explain the second.>>5107579Close but not exactly ALL regarding psykers. Because lest we forget, we have an instinctive capacity to disrupt and remove the aliens magic. Something we havent looked into and have not really addressed beyond doing it, but it is a facet of our capacities that is decidedly not natural.
>>5107573>my problem is trying to act like the faith is purely mathematic logicWell to be fair, the Adeptus Mechanicus view pure mathematics as a higher form of faith.Like I said I think we're just striking at the inherent double speak within the Admech that causes actual strife and conflict even within the canon Cult Mechanicus. Logic and Faith. Religion and Rationality. Puritans and radicals. There's huge debates and probably even actual skirmishes over these topics, much like it is in the Inquisition between factions there too (i.e. the Xanthites and Puritans)>You think he would have them as frontline members? Offering fire support?Well if we lean more like Mortarion/Pert I don't think so. I think we'll just shove them aside, send them to Ordos Psykana. A much kinder way than just executing them, though still likely to hurt their morale hard. The worst I can imagine is them joining traitor elements when the civil war happens, but I'd like to hope they don't.If anything, since we all seem to agree on the employment of Blanks, we'll just have big null generating field users who go out and help us fight off the psychic fury of Ork WAAAGHS and the Hrud from aging us to dust.And the Thousand Sons during the Heresy.
>>5107575I certainly second this stance when it comes to TalOS. >>5107574And if anything I'd say our actions are not puritan simply anti-chaos. If we find a xenos species that doesn't dabble in the warp I have no doubts our primarch will study and implement the useful parts onto his creations. Then again, I suppose we'll cross that bridge when we get to it... Funnily enough I don't think we would've been this anti-warp if Tzeentch hadn't tried to tempt us that early
>>5107584True, currently he could spin it as an inherent gift from the machine god to counter the warp/psykers, which is why it would give him a crisis of faith.should have mentioned that
>>5107577I don't have a problem with innovation, what I do have is going back on the cahracter to make him be all about it and disregard any worries he has because it would be "illogical", like trying to act like the chaos and daemons are bot fucking real and embracing the Imperial Truth and sucking the Emperor's dick.
>>5107582I mean, we should absolutely know about the concept of psykers. Everyone should.Our ship has a Navigator and an Astropath for example, and I would be extremely suspicious if for some reason Lucius has any and all records about psykers being deteled.We may not be experts or well versed, but it'd be weird to be utterly ignorant as if we were from some feudal planet.>is gonna be one hell of a trip and likely a crisis of faithMuch like Lorgar, when the Emperor started saying he wasn't a god and to ban religion, when he built his entire life on it.He ended up developing some coping logic where "Only the divine would deny their divnity" or such. Something even actual Imperial Cultists, much like his book, ended up adopting but just erasing his name.
>>5107584Numerology is something that I think is part on how the Gellar Field works, so him liking it fits after his revelation.>>5107585>Well to be fair, the Adeptus Mechanicus view pure mathematics as a higher form of faith.That's not what I meant and you know it. I meant pure, detached, says but don't believe, just follows the motions "faith".
>>5107591No, they don't, we only skimmed the warp so far, thats why the fleet only had short trips of a few hours during the crusade.Tal0S already has a god, big E making the treaty could be enough for him, basically pushing the issue off until both sides don't have to fear outside forces, just like whatever those demons/gods of the plastoids are.
>>5107582I don't know, TalOS could easily see thatbhe was a psyker, but his power tbecoming anti-warp without turning into a blank as a gift of the Omnissiah for his staunch refusal to fall.Kind of like how Merlin was half-daemon/fae, but he was blessed by God.
>>5107583A probationary period of intense research is quite viable. Most legions had a brief break from crusading while they got to know their father, at least in the early days of the crusade.Then would be the perfect time to test our sons and all their many gifts.But space psychic OSHA Manuel's are probably in the future.>>5107585You are right that if we learn harder to the anti- than to the pro- they are liable to be less utilised. Possibly a Nikea order with instructions to not provide us any further psykers?Anti ork field is just gonna be funny. Buncha blanks with flamers.>>5107587I would argue that there is no distinction between puritan and anti-christ save how far they go on eradicating chaos.Though I will point out that xeno splicing is in violation of the holy human form, a gift from deus mechanicus. A murky line there.>>5107588Could spin it that way, or we could take it to be a gift from the machine god through the vehicle of faith. So they arent psychic powers. Shut up magnus!Aka the Russ approach.>>5107591As others mentioned, we didnt have a navigator or any contact with Lucius during transit and the planet culled them.We also had no reasons to look into them before now. . . Which we could make a point of focus, if we would like to. It falls under biology.
>>5107595I advice against bringing in Arthurian mythology, it's a fucking mess.
>>5107593You mean to tell me we've been doing warp jumps without a navigator? Or an astropath? That Lucius doesn't have any?Holy hell we're ballsy.But given that Psykers were also very much hated and reviled during the age of strife, and forge worlds would have decent data archives, what would explain why any such notions of psykers would also have been purged. And does that mean there were like, no instances of psykers on Lucius?>>5107584>>5107584>Can I ask what is the difference between the spiritual view, rather than nuanced scientific view.I'd say its how a thing is viewedFor example, what is a Machine Spirit?>The blessed soul of a living machine, intangible and inexplainable as the soul of a man!>A series of programmed responses and digital intellect that has not progressed to the point of abominable intelligence. From simple programs to turn the lights off at day, to the complex, it is logical circuitryPersonally I believe its both, but a puritan might be so bold as to claim it is only the former, while a radical may say it is only the latter. I don't think either such priest is going to get very far, but that's what I mean by a "scale" of where one might lean toward.I'd also reference the different view of the White Scars and the Thousand Sons (pre-Tzeentch). White Scars saw it as weather magic and recognized a form of demons as threats in it. Thousand sons saw this view as superstitious (which it kind of is), it's just mind powers, and tutelaries are only a form of xenos bent to mans will not demons.
>>5107585Also logic and faith, religion and science are not that opposite, many scientist have been religious, the most interesting part of faith is how it can consyantly reiterpret itself to survive new discoveries.What I am against is the cope out of just not even trying and just saying it's not really real lmao but I'm going to go throw the motions because it's expected. Specially when he was the opposite before.
>>5107600It's tge first exemple I could think of the top of my head, but I kbow for sure that the "cursed bloodline turned against the evil through faith" appears surprisingly frequently in mythology.
>>5107590>like trying to act like the chaos and daemons are bot fucking real and embracing the Imperial Truth and sucking the Emperor's dick.I don't remember saying anything like that, the future discourse between the Emperor's ideal future for mankind and Tal0s' ideal is already practically set in stone at this point. As for the daemon thing, that would be retarded and not even logical. Tal0s knows they exist, he was being actively sweet talked then mocked by Tzeench at one point, pretending they aren't real isn't logical it's just being delusional.A logical approach would be destroying anything chaos related deemed memetic and studying ways to counter the warp, not bury your head in the sand
>>5107599I was thinking technology not splicing, and it would be weird for a primarch that intends to transcend the flesh to dabble too much in it anyhow...
>>5107595The Emperor may refuse to see us while we have any blank fields activated, if we get that far before he comes (though I doubt it, I also doubt we could gather enough anti-psychic might to suppress the Emperor's aura even if we did. Sisters of Silence aren't even touching him)Else we might see the real body beneath the mask (like Corax did for a few brief moments)
>>5107590> like trying to act like the chaos and daemons are bot fucking real and embracing the Imperial Truth and sucking the Emperor's dickThat is partly why I was going for the rationalization of the two as not being explicitly exclusive."Demons" are real, but we don't have to think of them as demonic.But that of course, goes in the face of TalOS having a more faith based view of seeing demons as actual face value demons, mythical foes of the blessed Machine God. Which isn't really wrong either, they deserve to be purged however you call them.
>>5107608I prefer that we become half machine half man. I would also prefer that we keep our emotions.>>5106894>Support
>>5107606It was not you that said that, but the other anon that more or less did.I was just explaining why what I wrote seemed to be ultra-puritan, when I'm in support of a balanced approach with tendecy toward faith.>>5107609"I'm not talking with you without the field""But you must my son""No, how would I tell you are not just another molusk bird in disquise?"
>>5107601Psychics are usually hereditary. Wipe out the gene, wipe out the population.But its actually "easy" to make short calculated jumps without a navigator. Most ships do actually, since the vast majority are short ranged haulers.>>5107613Kek.
>>5107613I support that balanced with a slight bias towards faith thing.And vote we bring up said molusc bird when meeting big EHis aura alone would tell us there is some similarity
>>5107611See, I could accept it if we didn't already interact with one that acted like a corrupting monster instead of evil chatbot>>5107601I say we are way closer to the first one, afyer how we interacted with the Gellar Field Machine Spirit, and talked about the "miracle".The truth however? Probanly the second one. I don't want to have a change in characther, without having a reason for it. If TalOS finds an Ark Mechanicus and talks with it's AI, than he can believe that Machine Spirits are VIs.Don't kbow if he would ever fall for the chaos robots meme though, shit is probably going to just get weirder as we fuck up their plans and they start to REEEEE
>>5107584Oh, here's a good one.Demon Viruses and Data-Djinn. The Emperor even has his custodes keep some on retainer to prevent Mars from spying on him. A puritan would call them demons outright, and use blessed ritual and relics bearing holy protocol code to try and exorcise them and calm the machine spirit using binary prayers.A more nuanced/radical view would be just recognizing they are programmed viruses, applying the correct anti-viral defense programming with via some wireless code projectors, and shutting down the rogue machine.Again, I think both views are correct, but it highlights the different viewpoints.
>>5107622If Tal0S got to see the dark mechanicus "inventions" he'd pop a blood vessel or 200
>>5107515I agree that the design is a little to top heavy. I like the doc Oct look>>5107559I personally don't think that Talos would be the kind of guy to kick his sons to the curb for having psyker powers. I can see him supporting the liberiums instead of telling them to not use their powers.
>>5107618>Psychics are usually hereditary. Wipe out the gene, wipe out the population.I was under the impression all humans have dormant genetic psychic potential (definitely all humans having a psychic presence is canon) and that the psyker gene lays dormant in all of us. I'm not sure its possible to wipe out the gene in that sense, just cull the psykers as they come so they are rare kinda like the Black Ships do.
>>5107612Go full cyborg, be a living testament to the Superior metal over weak flesh>>5107613Ok I guess we're just sort agreeing at each other
>>5107623Like I said, he probably would believe the first one, until he finds a reason to believe it's actually the second.Although I personally believe some of these viruses might have chaos shit in them. Becuase of course they would, can't have shit in 40k without them coming to ruin everything.
>>5107624"YOU JOINED CHAOS JUST SO YOU COULD ESCAPE THE RULESAND HAVEN'T EVEN ACTUALLY DONE ANYTHING OF NOTE IN 10,000 YEARS.YOU SACRIFICED YOUR LOYALTY AND FAITH TO ACCOMPLISH NOTHING. WHY? ALL YOU DID WAS JUST HAVE DEMONS RAPE THE MACHINES. MACHINES WHOSE DESIGNS AREN'T EVEN NEW OR INNOVATIVE."
>>5107627I think it's both actually, the majority of the population being clean of psyker gene, but a significant part having a dormant one that can awaken. And some havinf psyker powers so weak that they never realize it.And said gene not being able to be stonped out because it keep convergently re-evolving, either due to bormal mutation, chaos mutation or being just hard to find.Also the fact that the emperor was actually cultivating this gene during the crusadez since he wantes humabity to become a psyker race like the Eldar. For someone that was a human supremacist, he really wanted humans to just be Eldars2 didn't he? Even stealing the webway and trying to make a Human Commoraugh.
>>5107629> until he finds a reason to believe it's actually the second.Part of me feels like he'd just understand it's at least also the second because he is just that smart and could see the inner workings of the machine spirit. Like Perturabo when he correctly deduced the physics behind the weather and not the providence of gods despite Olympians essentially being feudal
>>5107631Tal0s would so fucking Turbo mad for so many reasons, the sheer heresy the DM commit as they blatantly work with filthy demons and desecrate machines, the complete hypocrisy of breaking every rule in the book but not actually doing anything all that different from the loyalists besides sticking demons in their machines, also the demon engines alone would make Tal0s go full genocidal campaign against any and all traitor tech priests until they're completely exterminated. Seriously, he would straight up call a rage fueled holy crusade to purge the filthy traitors from every corner on the galaxy.
>>5107636I don't know, if he could instantly know the truth about tech he wouldn't get where he is right now would he?Now if he took time to study them, I don't doubt he would come to the "just a virus conclusion" very quickly. Unless he finds one of those "yep, this is chaos" ones. In which case the waters would probably get mudied, and would just recommebd doing the purifying rituals just in case.
>>5107638The daemon enginea would enrahe him like no other thing, just because of the Plastoids Daemon-Titans.
>>5107640Now that would be normal, if Scrap Code didn't exist.
>>5107625>I can see him supporting the liberiums instead of telling them to not use their powers.That's at least three of us who would be okay with it, perhaps.It's definitely early to make a decision on anything regarding human psykers, we have not met them, and nicea is even way further but eventually I do believe we may get to that point in the quest.I'm just glad we at least could talk about this guys, get any bad feelings out of the way first, and then maybe later on when the issues present themselves be prepared to make a stand on where TalOS heart lies.And just maybe when QM does throw the big questions at us we'll have a few hundred less posts of debate and reach consensus easier. Knowing where different players lay on it.
>>5107545>>5107559>>5107625I'll try to get the Top-Heaviness fixed
>>5107649>And just maybe when QM does throw the big questions at us we'll have a few hundred less posts of debateWouldn't bet on it, this thread is about 3 times as active as the whole board combined
>>5107647Yep, better to do a purification ritual no matter the code/virus just in case the one you are opeing isn't just "You are An Idiot 40k edition", but "I'm Eating you Soul thorugh the PC".Althoough it can be argueed that regular spaghetti code is possessed by the souls of the dammed anyway
>>5107649Oddky enough I think that even though so many of us have different opinions, most of us are in support of the same shit.Like you are tge nore scientist let's investigate, and I'm insupport of the faithful poke with caution, but both of us want a regulating librarium.>>5107652Wouldn't have it any othe way.Although the 40k AI quest sometimes gets way more active than us. Just with more autism and insults.
>>5107655More than a regulated Librarium, I'd love for us to have an Anti-Librarium.A Realitarium?A force to ground the world around to the blessed laws of physics.
>>5107656>>5107655tbf, both could and should be the same thing
>>5107671We'd have a hard time getting them in the same building.We've got to ask Malcador and our Father how they can stand the proximity of the Sisters of Silence and vice versa.
>>5107673Ah, i put it wrongly, a concrete librarium and a counteracting "Realitarium?" would have to be the same thing. Both to get the council to agree to it and to make a realistic change in the imperium.
>>5107676That's what I was arguing earlier and I still sort of want.But others would also like to go the route of opposing the Librarians on Nicea rather than supporting, while simultaneously supporting Nulls by verbally distant and different. Something I find distasteful partly because it feels a bit hypocritical, but more because by doing so I think it can also avoid the immeasurable problems caused by Nicea and Magnus if the original verdic happens. Something I think we can avoid if we present ourselves the counterweight.But again, we'll just have to see when we get there and where the vote lies (and the steps TalOS has taken up until then). Technically speaking a "regulated librarium" is still on the side of magnus and psykers, as the opposing side was a hard lined "no". Sanguineous, Khan, and Magnus were all supporting a regulated librarium (except that Magnus ended up spilling his sphagetti by going full on zealot mode)But then again, I do wonder that Mars didn't just utterly ignore the council of Nicea or if it had no effect on them. I don't imagine they dissolved the Ordos Psykana. Even if the vote remains the same, it does give us a good reason just to send what psychic sons we have to a new home rather than abandon them utterly.It'd be hilarious (and probably piss off Magnus a lot) if we just said "oh their not legionary librarians they're just priests of the Ordos Psykana, different from us!"But I really despise that Russ and Khan also shat on Magus further by keeping their psykers as "Rune Priests" and "Stormseers". Even Dorn called him directly as a hypocrite for that (and Russ still refused to admit it). I kind of don't want us to become yet another one of those, but we very well might.
>>5107684*by verbally calling them distanced and different
>>5107684i do agree, but its probably better to let things lie for now. Tal0S hasn't even met big E, we got years, decades or even centuries to figure out his position on it and even then, its gonna be a vote.Quest gonna Quest.
>>5107634Forgot to me tion that yes, all humans have a warp precense (even blanks, it's just that theirs is an inverted one). It's just that there is a difference between that and actually being a psyker.
>>5107694Mhm. My thinking is that pyskers have the pysker gene activated strongly (the one given by the Old Ones) and nulls have the pariah gene activated strongly (given by the Necrons ages ago, probably fucking with humanity in its infancy or the old ones life seeding methods).Nulls are rare then, because all of humanity stem from the Old Ones, but maybe the Necrons were only able to get the pariah gene into a portion of them.The Imperium, at least by 40k, even has a positive and negative rating systemhttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Assignment
>>5107684I think we should go a third way, and go towards an actual, strict librarium with chaplains overseeing things because just telling the psykers to stop using their powers isn't going to stop anything. I nust said to support Mortarion on this as a joke, just because it's the opposite of the Red Mango, and his opinion is that they should do whatever they wanted, even bargain with warp spirits. Which TalOS know about and despises.Because although librarium where the position of psykers, the position of chaplain and how controlled they should be were an idea of the anti-group.Also your original post wasn't even about a librarium, but the heavy Magnus let them free. Also saying like a certainty that your opinion was the truth, what everyone wanted and wht would happen without a doubt. To quote someone that you should recognise, "Also please don't pretend that your view alone is also what TalOS personality is."Also heavely disagreeing that Blanks, Pariahs and Null are part of the Nokae problem, they are untouched by it. So even if we did say no psykers, we can continue anti-warp research without being a hypocrite.
>>5107697I know about the rating from alpha pkus to negative, it's just people always repeat that blanks have no soul swhen they do have them, it's just that theirs is a negative void that disappear on death (I think so, but I'm 200% certain that there must be a novel somewhere where someone talks with a blank's spirit, because every author writes things differently)>>5107700Main reason for why blanks are not realy psykers is mainly due to the fact that the black ships are under the telepathica, and they are the responsible for getting every psyker. But it's the Sister of Silences that rude along them that are in charge of getting them, completly separate from their structure.Pretty sure I already said this though, just though it was worthy being repeated.Now if we developed our psyker anti-psyker powers and gqve them to our sons, that would be a cunt move, no doubt.So basically, we are all autist agreeing with each other, while we also insult the positions. For no reason. And it's somehow fun.
>>5107700While they are not part of the canon nikea problem, and perhaps they may not be brought up, it isn't impossible that if we continue to advance the progress of blanks our more suspicious brothers might dislike them too or see them as weird. It could be brought up in the council, and if it is, it'd be nice to have a better defense than "not psykers, not my problem".And I do have to disagree that they are utterly separate with no relation. Even the Imperium's Assignment rating treats them as categorized on the same spectrum. As in mathematics, while negative numbers are not positive numbers, they are still numbers.>I think we should go a third way, and go towards an actual, strict librarium with chaplains overseeing thingsThat is still technically on Magnus side of allowing psykers to practice. Nikea made no room for degrees it seems, or at least Russ, Magnus, and Mortarion ensured there was no room for it. Sanguineous and Khan wanted to try for the regulation argument, and their followers like Yusugei too, but there was just too much pull on opposite ends.The heated nature of Nicea only allowed for two sides, making it a question of allow or ban.>Also your original post wasn't even about a librarium, but the heavy Magnus let them freeI suppose I have a different view on regulation.That we be the regulators by merit of our powerful null capabilities, so that if something wrong does go awry with the legions who do use psykers, we're there to lay the hammer down. When the Horus Heresy happened everyone abandoned the council of nicea, some quickly, others slowly, because they realized there is just no ignoring the warp. But investment in blank technology and Malcador's pariah gene do offer up that option of countering the warp without just reverting the edict. >Also saying like a certainty that your opinion was the truth, what everyone wanted and wht would happen without a doubtI was saying that in counter to a post >>5107553 who said "stop trying to change our boy and his personality"Because that in itself implicitly is a statement that anon knows what TalOS personality is to be changed. Which I also disagree that any single anon can do.
>>5107705>it's just that theirs is a negative void that disappear on deathThere's no definitive answer as to what happens to any soul on death, but there have been implications that in general anyway, when most normal humans die their souls are not strong enough to remain intact in the warp and just dissipate into nothing.Which is arguably better than what happens to Eldar. Strong souls who do have a strong psychic presence, like Primarchs, do seem to remain after death. Sanguinous shards appear occasionally on the Vengeful Spirit as crystal like statues and the black legion make a habit of smashing it as potent psychic boosters
>>5107708*Malcador's Pariah Project
>>5107708Well, the concil of Nikea did lead to psyker restrictions on more than just the space marine legions, but blanks remained completly untouched, so I'm still certain that the argument of they are not psykers the scale is just for bookeeping is actualy valid and not a reflection.Ss for why I said to stop treating like it was the ultimate truth, it was because you said it in simple future tense, not even using a conditional, so that passes the impression of "this will happen exactly like I'm saying it will."And yes, no anon can say exactly how TalOS is, however, you can put together how he has been so far, what he has said, and what he has done. And the result is very different from "daemons are just meme machines, the machine spirits are just programs, I love psykers and want to praise the Imperial Truth alongside the Machine God".So yeah, going from one one middly path to jump to an extreme out of nowhere to fit a narrative is changing his personality. Specially when it's written in a tone that passes of the idea certainty and authority on the topic. Which normally, when presented if a definitive argument, the counter-argument must be done with the same strength, lest it be seen as weaker and less valid.But now this is just nitpicking intent, writing style and grammar, and it's no doubt a discussion that is probably going to lead only to senseless hostility, so I think it would be better if we dropped that part.>>5107718The after death bit is kind of difficult, because there have been ghost of bormal people in the novels before. (and no, I'm not talking about saints or that psyker from tanith that could do illusions).40k lore is a mess because every writer has a different idea on how things work. Which also kind of makes every quest it's own thing, since every QM has to pick and choose what he wants to use as the truth.
>>5107741Exactly. A good example of stupid lore is that one bit in Burning of Prospero where one's name somehow allowed you to control humans. I will say some theories might be confirmed and others will not, since the nature of this quest brushes against a variety of topics. Not least of which is how the fuck Souls even work and can we turn a soul into a blank by putting it inside out or something.
>>5107768Inb4 the pariah gene is just soul goatseI'm sorry
>>5107777I hate it, thanks.
>>5107777Oh shit, my cursed post got Nurgle quads.Can't some get me a purification machine chant?
>>5107768It has to be true names. Using their names as direction for curses, which isn't that stupid.
>>5107783Aye, considering the nature of the warp, not surprising.
>>5107741>"daemons are just meme machines, the machine spirits are just programs, I love psykers and want to praise the Imperial Truth alongside the Machine God".Well none of my post has anything to say about that.I do not love psykers, nor does TalOS, but simply that we can respect psykers . But only because I see blanks as being psykers and related to the equation, so to ban psykers to me is to ban blanks.There in lies the big butt of our disagreement so far I feel. Thinking about it though, I realize the real big issue for us, will be Malcador's Pariah project, and if we can get it to succeed where as OTL timeline it failed due to massing them on terra. That's going to be 100% more immediately pressing for the future of our plans than Nikea which is like 200 years off and basically heralds the start of the HH.If we can convince him to do somewhere else away from Terra, perhaps providing a secure planet and resources for it, I think you will be right and we literally won't have to worry about Nikea. We'll have Malcadors support for his Pariahs.Imagine if our legion becomes the Test Pilot for his great Pariah project?If we do that, it will be a big boost to our legion and get us credit with Malcador. And i am of the belief that will happen prior to Nicea. We might even offer to help Malky with it.
>>5107783>>5107788And I think it has to be done by someone with psychic power and the ability to influence.So its likely even if you know the true name of a person in the warp, if there's a null field or you simply don't have psychic power, it really shouldn't affect someone.
>>5107793If we found a new personal forge world during our crusade it would be a good place to do it. Maybe a moon around a gas giant.Specially since we are probably going to do experiments to understand our anti-psyker spyker powers, the nature of the warp gellar fields and blanks once TalOS learns more about them.So there would be facilities already in place, and expanding ghem wouldn't raise eyebrows.
>>5107803I hope Malcador will also approve of us raiding the crap out of Necron Tech to advance our knowledge of Pariahs and other neat stuff they have.One issue I think will likely be transport. Given no warp travel can happen in the immediate vicinity, we might need to rely on very fast realspace ships to move them out to a place where navigators aren't hindered by the shadow they generate and can then be removed from the system.Also hiding the building of a new planet might not be too hard. Lorgar was able to hide the building of Monarchia, and he did all that with cult shenanigans where as we at least have our cybernetic mind and hopefully Admech privileges to explain away things.Or, well, Malcador can also just smooth out the bumps if he is involved too.
>>5107814Don't know if us being a Necronboo is going to be accepted.Because the boss is an Eldarboo and is mad Magnus keeps stealing his bodypillows
>>5107814Oh god, i can already see it: Big E royally pissed with Tal0S and Malcador, cause they somehow managed to keep it secret from him.
>>5107826Considering it involves a LOT of blanks, it might actually be.
>>5107818It's not necronaboo if we just steal their technology and shove it through an STC!Or at least say we didWe'll put plenty of purity cogs and blessed symbols of the Machine God on our Inertialess Drives (don't tell the Navigator guilds!)
>>5107830But than it's cultural apropriation, TalOS is going to get cancelled on the Noosphere!
Imagine if we upped Horus's Abyss Class ships by building our very own World Engine using STC technology based on engineered Necron scienceIt will have a big ass laser, and protect against warp stormsWe'll call it the Mortis Star.
>>5107830>>5107843I don't know, that is definitely breaking from the faith. also, that is a very cynical and not very religious way to work. if people found out we will end up being cast out or be a part of a mechanicus schism
>>5107843Ok, just looting and slappimg purity seals is a bit too much.Now if we broke it apart, figured out how it works and makes our own version it would be ok.Also remeber that AoT humanity also had it's own stupidly overpowered reality changing tech, so we don'y nescessarily need to steal the skeletrons tech to have the good shit (tm)
>>5107844>that is definitely breaking from the faithI'm not so convinced, but certainly it is something we would need to keep secret.Ideally we commit to it when we have a lot more influence with the Cult Mechanicus itself. I still hope becoming Fabricator General or as close as we can isn't out of the picture, though i recognize it is asking for much. Becoming Fabricator General itself might cause a schism truth be told.Even the Admech uses some weapons of ambiguous origin, such as the Darkfire Cannon which is rumored to be of xenos make. And yet it is replicated.I think if we only use the scientific principle, but do not apply any actual parts or pieces of Necron Technology, it is acceptable in the cult mechanics. If it is all built by the hand of man, and not alien. Doubt not what the Machine God has purified.
>>5107859Possibly but it seems for all of the might of DAoT the one thing they couldn't get right was non-warp based travel and anti-psyker defenses.Since their whole empire was crippled by warp storms and they couldn't just boot up some other way to travel. On top of the robot apocalypse.But yeah, that's what I want us to do. Study it, learn how it works, replicate it by the hand of man and let no alien thing be a part of it.
Alright, now is the time to go through and figure out what you guys votes. Dunno how it went from my post and psykers but it just shows me you guys are almost ready to kick it off the planet!
Accept>>5106870>>5106894>>5107616>>5107047>>5107314>>5107263>>5106895>>5107122It has been done, and unsurprisingly you guys accepted Waifu. She won't be meek waifu for long though, after all, the period of time this Quest takes place is 200 years. Enjoy while you can, maybe it will become Arara soon.
>>5107888>Implying anons wouldn't also like violent strong gun waifu or mature motherly tech waifuShe could be a brain in a box and someone would fap to it.
>>5107888We may end up using every bit of power and knowledge we have to grant her immortality
>>5107893I mean, technically she is a Brain in a Box. She's a Tech Priest after all and you all know what happened to TalOS.
>>5107896Technically we are all a brain in box. A bony, skull shaped box, but still.
>>5107888Personally, I'd say Tal0S is drawn/attracted to people with extraordinary intelligence and some degree of closeness.Obviously excluding family
While QM writes, thoughts on the changes? Tried to get it not to be so top heavy
>>5107904Is it just me or does that seem drawn by an ork tech priest?The amount of dakka is ridiculous
>>5107904Now its not top enough. Just move those two upper arm like 25 degrees and it should be alright.Also we need our silver and gold cog rosarius. But I guess you are already planning on doing it and just haven't got to drawn it yet
>>5107911Two left upper arms on the image from the the viewer pov, the two right mechandeentrites if you are going by what is his.
>>5107907Acillians are the shootiest humies, let every Ork in the galaxy know!>>5107911Do you mean the two very upper arms or the middle arms?The one on his upper left is already pointed upward and holding the rod, do you want the other one to reflect it?
>>5107916Oh I see
>>5107897heh, imagine if we had a skeleton inside us.>>5107888She will be our testbed for nanomachines.
>>5107917>>5107919Yeah, I realized that it needed clarification, kek.
>>5107930Something like this?
>>5107904yeah, this is better.
>>5107940yeah, that looks about right.
>>5107896Oh so we die?
>>5107946Nah, they just put our brain in a box and moved it from our head to our chest.No brain death happened. Or atleast I hope so.
>>5107940Gonna start on the rosarius too, probably hang it on his chest just below his Gorget
>>5107803Sadly that will require us finding an Admech Ark Ship since they are the only things capable of founding new Forge Worlds. It shouldn't be hard to stash some space stations and prep some worlds for shenanigans though. Just making our own forge world from scratch would be a bitch without an Ark Ship to call our own.>>5107888Considering the age difference I wouldn't be surprised if she chooses to swing that way and teases TalOS once she gets used to him.>>5107894Techpriests can live an absurdly long time. You have ancient freaks among them who date back to the Great Crusade who are still kicking like Cowl. Admittedly Cowl is legitimately insane but still.>>5107907You gotta admit the fights between Orks and Talos with his family are going to be hilariously awesome. It come down to who has the most dakka, shiniest gubbinz, and the best boyz. I'm personally looking forward to it even more than Necrons. I'll admit the Necrons have the better loot though.
>>5108001Hope we do get that Ork Mekboss rival!Imagine how lucky we would be if we were to ever meet him again in 10,000 years, him on Ghazkull's army, us supporting Guilliman. Even if we are reduced to naught but a brain revived from slumber"Tally Boy? What da bleeding zog 'appened to you?""Less talking, more shooting!""Yeah! WAAAAAAGH"
As the small pits of smoke rose from the head of the small Tech Priest, TalOS felt himself grow a smile as he announced, +Adept UZ1, I must say you have exceeded my expectations when it comes to the realm of human ability. There is no reason to deny you.+ To those words she raised her head in wonder as TalOS gave her his most charming of smiles, +Welcome aboard.+ As the old terrain saying goes, it was the last rock that shattered the cart. With a little bit of a chuckle TalOS looked up to see a barely changed Arch Magos, though even with the emotional systems the Primarch could tell she was embarrassed at the event that just occured. Still she simple handed over a contract that TalOS quickly signed his name and identification upon. +With that Adept UZ1 shall be in your hands, Arch Dominus. Treat her well and make sure she can learn everything she is capable of learning.+ Announced Arch Magos K00LT as she nodded at the documentation in her hand, +I shall arrange for you to have a fleet of five frigates and two supporting craft. I believe as an opening fleet it should be more than able for you.+ TalOS gave a solemn nod, knowing full well that he would not be getting any more without risking Lucius itself from galactic attacks. While the Plastoids came through the system in a comet of fire, they were able to fend off quite a few Ork attacks that never touched the blessed soil of Lucius. +Does she require anything?+ TalOS asked while lifting the Adept off the floor and over his mechanical shoulder. +She does not have many items to her name. I shall endeavor to send them over when it is available, but Adept UZ1 is cleared to leave my forge.+ The Arch Magos said simply without another hint of emotion in her voice. TalOS could not really say what it was like lugging around his new apprentice like she was a piece of misbehaving man-flesh. Still he thought about the potential this person in his hands had, for if she was lucky she might be able to become quite the priest. TalOS couldn’t really say if she would eclipse him in ability. Still it would be helpful to have someone else around helping him keep notes. Hell, if he trained her right, she would be able to operate her own fleet of Acillians!
TalOS’s new apprentice did not wake up for a good while. Even as the Primarch loaded her in the vehicle the Acillians brought out to pick him up were did she fail to rise. The rocky journey to TalOS’s main base of operations still did not awaken her, yet upon arriving at their destination did she finally awaken from her stupor. TalOS could only wonder at that. There was no genetic or physiological ability that would lend credence to this. As for the mind, TalOS wondered about the mind. He had not had time to research it but when he was operating the Gellar Field ideas began to sprout. Upon her eyes opening she shot up and looked around like a scared mutant, +Where am I? I- Arch Dominus! My apologies for that!+ She stammered out with a firm amount of surprise. +It is alright and understandable. Your brain and Machine Spirits had taxed themselves greatly. We have however arrived at your new home.+ The Primarch said as the ideas and thoughts quickly made themselves evident in the mind of the Adept. +Oh, thank you for this opportunity Arch Dominus!+ She answered before completely rising and looking around the area. TalOS noticed she wanted to say something, but held back as if knowing full well she was about to get what she wanted to ask for. Upon leaving the shuttle TalOS looked over to see Mitarii AL4N standing at the depot waiting for his father to arrive with a firmness only an Acillian could have wanted. As was custom, the man gave his father a bow before TalOS. +Father, welcome back.+ +Raise your head, AL4N. You wished to talk to me about something?+ The Primarch asked as the Acillian peaked over to see a slightly stunned Tech Adept, +Ah, inform the Acillians that I have an apprentice. She is Adept UZ1, and shall be treated with the respect afforded to any of my relatives and confidants.+ +Understood, Father.+ Declared the Acillian as he grew a small grin, +I wanted to inform you that we have been developing battle stratagems. I wanted to take the moment to review them with you if you have the moment.+ +Permission given.+ TalOS answered his favored son, +I wish to see what you all have been developing. It should also be a good experience for the Adept, a chance to get her feet wet.+ The Acillian nodded with something akin to genuine excitement, +Of course Father, the facility should have enough for extra bodies.+ And like that he turned about and began leading them, much to the girl’s shock.
The room that AL4N led them into was a rather small but elegant center of operations. It was obviously used for studying tactics a great many times before TalOS had taken over the Manufactorum. As its Spirit was the most venerated, it served the Acillian well as he began displaying a series of holovids upon its table. TalOS watched with a silent studying as numerous Skitarii and Acillian battle formations were practiced and attempted. The target of these aggressive actions ranged from combat servitors to large mutant populations. Each of them had their own variety of results that would be most valuable. The first one shown as an operation against Mutants, the creatures themselves not classified according to the database but were overall uninteresting to the Tech Priest. The Skitarii and Acillians were organized in groups with ratios of 1:5, 2:7, and 3:6. Each formation demonstrated the ability of the Acillians when it came to taking the majority of the punishment the Mutants had sent their way. With the attacks all being devoted to the Acillians it gave the Skitarii plenty of time to snipe out numerous individuals. Acillians, being at the foremost, would sing in the Machine God’s grace while sending kill commands to the Skitarii within their squad. The result ended with the Skitarii sniping out a majority of mutants who were locked in melee with the Acillians. While the Acillians took a beating, their armor was tough enough to tank plenty of these attacks. Overall, the fights took mere seconds with no casualties. Next up was a simulated battle with training las guns against Servitors. It was a demonstration of a pure Acillian spear head crashing into the lines and cutting a swath through the ‘enemy’ ranks. Through sheer force the Acillians were able to sever the ‘head’ of the servitors. While less punishment was given to the Acillians it resulted in ‘casualties’ among the Skitarii. Lastly TalOS was made privy to the operations of complete arms, which was the Acillians all fighting up front supported by heavy support. These forces were then given extra firepower by the Skitarii in the rear using a calculated maximum of their arms. A perfect mix of Acillians and Heavy support moving around to transfer the heat they were taking to those who were the least wounded resulted in a perfect order of war. +This I believe shall be our main stratagem when it comes to full scale conflict.+ Pointed out AL4N as the group looked upon the screen, +Temp Battle Formation 11 provides the maximum potential of both my brothers, Skitarii, and Heavy Support. It has yet to be tested in open battle.+ TalOS agreed that it was yet tested, but that did not mean it wasn’t good. TalOS could see the numerous positions in each formation where a Tech Priest would be stationed to help the operations and augment whatever was occuring. The only reason these vids did not have any was everyone was too busy preparing for the coming war effort.
>These are great! >Hmm, augment a few so that your brothers are not placed in such risky places. >However about we do this *Write in your own battle strats. I shall write them down for later.*>If we need to delay we will, for the Tech Priests also need to be trained in these arts.
in about 2-3 more posts we will probably be hitting space. And don't worry, there will be orks. There are always orks.
>>5108012>Hmm, augment a few so that your brothers are not placed in such risky places.I presume you mean Augment the Acillians directly? I would agree that ideally given the current forces available."These strategies, for the forces we have now, are great!I would simply advise to have some specific front line brothers, volunteers ideally among our most experienced veterans, to be equipped with good shields, shielding, regenerative implants, or whatever can be given to bolster their survivability against attack. In the future we may rely upon heavy servitors and cybernetica to fulfill the role of melee operations, allowing our acillians to focus more on ranged attacks but we do not have that yet.Every Skitarii we can keep alive, is another to wield a gun singing the praise of the Machine God against his foes. They're also harder to repair.">If we need to delay we will, for the Tech Priests also need to be trained in these artsEveryone needs to be prepared to fight.We'll change stratagem later when we have much more in the way of lo