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The smell of incense clouded the air, so much so that it without any form of augmented sight one could not see through it. The sounds of thousands of cogitators running carried along through the room as they thought about the information presented.

You can say, along with these machines thinking, there was a tension within the room that would break at any moment.

None would dare make a move though. None would dare take an action lest they incur the wrath of the Fabricator General of Lucius, and thus by extension, the entire Forge World. None held as much authority as the one who was so old that his name was lost among the unforgotten records of the Mechanicus.

The Fabricator General stood at the highest point within the room. Underneath him and flanking one another were the numerous men and women who made up the High Court of Lucius. Each and every one of them, ranging from the Arch Genetor R3KT to the Arch Magos K00LT were all leaders of near continent size pacts.

Two of their number were missing however. The seats for the leader of Lucius’s Defense Arch Dominus J0LT and leader of the Legio Titanicus Arch Magos ADM1N were both missing from their seats.

That was because one of them was dead, lost in an ambush performed by the Plastoids against the incoming fleet. The one who currently acted as his replacement, Acting Arch Dominus TalOS, stood at the center of the courtroom for the third time in his lifetime.

As for the Arch Magos ADM1N, he stood next to Arch Dominus TalOS. Five minutes ago he had released a series of data packages on behalf of the Arch Dominus that pertained to their activities during the Crusade.

TalOS, and by extension ADM1N, were both confident at the completeness of the package sent to their judges. Both of them had worked tirelessly to create a perfect piece of work that would shock and wow almost anyone who looked at it over the month of travel they all experienced. Sadly TalOS knew it was an almost, as while the Fabricator General and his direct vassals probably appreciated the effort none of them would have been dazzled by the work done.

They would however be given a clear picture of the events that transpired.

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The first voice to carry itself through the low buzz of cogitators was that of the Fabricator General himself, +As vocal confirmation is needed to solidify the authenticity of what was given; Can it be confirmed that the Plastoids are now Extinct?+

TalOS took in a breath and then let out one. He knew this question was going to come up and he needed to give it, +As far as their home world and whatever remained, they are. While there are surely those who tried to get off world the records in file 687.03 shows that there were no teleportation occurrences after their army’s defeat.+

The Fabricator General did not nod to that but the feeling that the answer was accepted reach TalOS in an odd feeling.

Next up was one of the Arch Magos, +So there is no evidence where the Ark Mechanicus Lucius has ended up?+

+That is correct Arch Magos S3PT.+

Upon those words came a great sadness that was carried through each and every Tech Priest. That ship was the Primogeniture of the Forge World. It was what brought Lucius here! By all means it was the most Holy of Artifacts that Mechanicum of this planet had.

And it was gone. A ship that would roughly be described as their planet’s father was gone.

This time it was Arch Genetor R3KT who spoke, +Fabricator General, I am to note on section 265.73 that there is an accusation of Tech Heresy levied against be marked as unsubstantiated. It is obvious that what happened was both blessed by the Machine God and was necessary to retake Onus Probandi.+

+This shall be given to a vote. Place your votes into the Court’s Machine Spirit.+ Declared the Fabricator General among his throne.

A series of transmissions were given upon that command. TalOS held his breath for just a moment as they all went through, however he was already aware of his fate even before the words were spoken.

+Of the High Court, Seven has declared the motion to have pass with two others susbstaning. I shall confirm this ruling, thus this label of Heretek is unsubstantiated.+ Declared the Fabricator General with what TalOS noted was a few strands of happiness, +Acting Arch Dominus TalOS DAV1S, upon taking over you have drastically lowered the amount of casualties and succeeded in completing the war. You shall henceforth be given the Honorary Titles of ‘Exterminator of the Plastoids’, ‘Lord of the Plastoid Crusade’, and along with all others who participated the title of ‘Crusader’.+

TalOS brought his chest forward upon hearing what amounted to his awards for the Crusade.

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That was the tense part of the current session, TalOS knew. He was now a decorated hero that held little equal. However the fact was that the session was not done yet and TalOS expected the reason why.

+Fabricator General.+ Declared Genetor R3KT as he rose from his seat, +Before you ask for the Acting Arch Dominus we must still determine the replacement of Arch Dominus J0LT. As far as our records show, all sanctioned either died in the Crusade or do not hold the sheer experience that Acting Arch Dominus TalOS has. I wish to bring to the floor the possibility that the Acting Arch Dominus be formally adopted into the position.+

TalOS guessed this was going to happen, and doubly so that it would come out of the mouth of the Arch Genetor.

+The Dominus is still young, so young that if he was a baseline human he would not be in the Priesthood!+ Declared an Arch Enginseer K33KT. TalOS noted that he held some weight being the one who owns a considerable amount of the Star Forges upon Lucius.

+Arch Enginseer, the Acting Arch Dominus holds with him more experience in warfare than any of the Dux Domini who stayed upon Lucius. Age does not matter if the quality of experience is several times more than all others.+

+I would need to agree with the Arch Genetor.+ Pointed out one of the other Magos who held office, +The Acting Arch Dominus has proven himself responsible, and holds a military force comparable to his predecessor. He would make a much better replacement than all of those who stayed behind.+

+But he does not hold any forges to his name.+ Pointed out another Magos, +Currently his soldiers are being kept afloat through the patronage of the Fabricator General. While I trust the Acting Arch Dominus to defend us, he does not have experience in operating the numerous forges that he would inherit.+

Indeed that was the case. Most of the time forges would not be passed by blood but by apprenticeship. A master, if he were to die, would trust his apprentice with the workings of his forge for the apprentice knew the secret workings. This would include a network of alliances and tithes that would need to be fulfilled for TalOS to do anything.

However, as of yet to be spoken, TalOS had a desire to move forward in conquest. If he was careful about it he might be able to modify the numerous contracts to further this desire, making it faster. However after that he might not be able to do exactly what he wants, meaning he might need to make a request for an old position to be reinstated.

>Inherit the rank of Arch Dominus
>Ask for the reinstatement of Arch Explorator
>Lets not do this for now and ask for a delay
>Decline this ascension, TalOS does have lots to learn.

>>5098710
>>Ask for the reinstatement of Arch Explorator

It gets around the experience issue and avoids making enemies, plus we can make our own foreword, with cyberjack and toaster hookers

>>5098710
>Ask for the reinstatement of Arch Explorator

>>5098718
And then we go for Mars

Though desu I think we should practice politics. . .

>>5098710
>Inherit the Rank of Arch Dominus
I cant think of any Primarch who didnt naturally accept this sort of promotion, even young, when presented. It's what we were made to do, advance and rule.

We absolutely shouldn't underestimate a Primarch

>>5098710
>Inherit the rank of Arch Dominus

>>5098710
>Ask for the reinstatement of Arch Explorator

>>5098710
>Ask for the reinstatement of Arch Explorator
SPACE

>>5098710
>>Ask for the reinstatement of Arch Explorator
Yo Interex, where you at?

>>5098710
>Ask for the reinstatement of Arch Explorator

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Guys, hear me out why we should go Arch Dominus

We can reorganize and boost both the effectiveness, production and the territory of Lucius, possibly even expand its void territory and holdings. We firmly secure our status as knowledgeable, experienced and capable of rule as well as imbibe upon the gathered knowledge of an entire planet.

With improved resources can build and upgrade the fleet, be like Guilliman, send out more than just one exploratory expedition but several to look for interesting leadings as well as obtain resupply more easily.

THEN when we are satisfied that we have laid the foundations for a small empire, we can explore space again, with a much larger and more well equipped fleet and assign someone we find competent to be Acting Arch-Dominus while we take on the role of Arch Explorator again.

>>5098800
> This would include a network of alliances and tithes that would need to be fulfilled for TalOS to do anything.

My issue with getting HIS forges

>>5098809
We better get good at gaining alliances and politics if we mean to stem the tide of the Dark Mechanicus and rise to Mars. And I think we will be desu. It's in our nature.

I hope I'm not alone in that I wanna see us saving the Admech from Civil War or at least being there tip the scales on Mars with our sons.

>>5098800
All good points, however let me present mine:
Space is cool.

>>5098710
>Inherit the rank of Arch Dominus

>>5098829
yeah, but it will be harder to go from arch Explorator to fabricator general than Arch Dominus to fabricator general. also, we can better equip or produce more acilians (so we don't have to bum of the fabricator general) using our own resources.

I should go ahead and lay out what I am planning on here.

Going Arch Dominus means you guys inherit a framework of the previous 'Commander in Chief'. This fellow was able to put together a Crusade force after all, and had probably millions under his name before the Ark Mechanicus was destroyed. This does mean however you will need to work out each of his subjects in ways of protection and tithe. I would think this to be faster, since things are made up already, but comes with baggage.

Going Arch Explorator means you guys are starting fresh, without any of the ties but you hold the Title. If any of you played CK2/3 your essentially a Vassal King who can vassalize/negotiate contracts. Simply put you guys can attack here in a multitude of ways, ranging from being 'Venture Capitalist from the Age of Exploration' to 'An Arch Dominus in all but name'.

You guys will probably need to make Feudal Contracts either way. Right now you have resources like the Acillian and a Primarch Knowledge, all of which is valuable to a Forge, just that becoming an Arch Dominus you can probably get Skitarii too.

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>>5098846
>Simply put you guys can attack here in a multitude of ways, ranging from being 'Venture Capitalist from the Age of Exploration' to 'An Arch Dominus in all but name'.
What would you call a House style "I have control of the most powerful mechanisms in this region, a superior basis of resource and industry and technology, and am also very charismatic and an unparalleled logistician"

>Going Arch Dominus means you guys inherit a framework of the previous 'Commander in Chief'.
I kinda like this because:
A- We will be respecting, honoring and continuing his legacy. As many Primarchs have done on other worlds
B- It will give us experience uniting disparate groups and entities into a single force, as is our Father, and as we will need to do if we are to bring other Forge Worlds into the fold

Still going Arch Explorer doesn't sound too bad. It just sounds like it is going to cost us much more time.

>>5098849
>Mr. House Style
Being the leader of the Legio Titanica or Fabricator General. Both of these positions allow access to world ending machines.

>>5098846
Question, Wouldn't like even 1/3'rd our knowledge be worth its weight in forges to the Fab General himself?

>>5098853
Not yet, you gotta realize that any Fabricator General has been alive for a few millennia. You do have him beat in Genetics Research right now though and he will never match the Flesh Crafter of Lucius. Once you leave the planet and start learning everything around just the Gothic Sector you will soundly beat him in knowledge.

>>5098857
Damn, He really do big brain.

>>5098710
>Inherit Arch Dominus

Got a sizable baseline that we can skim through. Once that is ready, we can take control of Lucius and expand skyward through the FG's cooperation

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Alright guys, here's us at the current moment. Using some standard pinchy mechadendrites that can easily be exchanged for other tool bits surely.

Working on the armor again too.

>>5098849
I don't think it would, there is a knight world right outside Lucius, Ditonis.
It's a world devided between two warring knight houses, meaning that they are open for unification, and us beign also a princep, but one of a titan, and being a magus are at the perfect position to do so.
The arch dominus is the slow option, the explorator is the yolo one.

>>5098903
And why do I think it would be slower by the way? Because although it would have resources, we would be tied down to Lucius and our responsabilities there.
Our "crusade" would only start after we spent time in the planet micromamaging everything.

>>5098893
It's great so far, I appreciate that you added more cloth since it makes it look more tech priest. It feels like the robes are a bit tight though, is there a way you could make the cloth look a bit baggier?

>>5098748
Changing my vote to
>Inherit the rank of Arch Dominus
Not because I think it's the best course of action, but because I worry that AL3X will get it if we don't.
Now I need to go to sleep.

>>5098710
>Inherit the rank of Arch Dominus
My dumb ass almost forgot to put in my vote

>Inherit the rank of Arch Dominus

We shall go to space later once we take over everything, Primarch style.

>>5098710
>Ask for the reinstatement of Arch Explorator
Prefer the new start.

>>5098710
Ask for the reinstatement of Arch Explorator

"Fellows and Superiors, i would ask that you reinstate the position of Arch Explorator! I know that this is a lot to ask of you, as it would put vital ressources away from the reconstruction and betterment of the ForgeWorld, but i see it as not only a need, but a Necessity for the continued survival of our Home. We were taken by surprise, by a foe that we had thought long dead and i fear that this may occur once again! This can not, nay, I Will Not allow that to happen again! So please, my Brothers and Sisters of the Mechanicus, send me out into the void! allow me to go forth and seek for knowledge and understanding! to seek and destroy our foes before they can take action against us! I ask of you this, not for the purpose of personal gain, but rather, to bring Prosperity and Knowledge for all of Us!"

>>5098893
Looking good!

Why, we almost look like we are ready to fight Spider-man!

>>5098710
>Ask for the reinstatement of Arch Explorator

>>5099141
Doesn't exist sadly, but we could Konrad Kurse?

I want pictures of the Nighthaunter!

>>5099235
>>5099141
If we defeat the Megarachnidman, we will be hailed as the hero of the Interex.

>>5098710
>Inherit Arch Dominus

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Big Boosts for Jumping
Or long boost for hover speeding forward Dawn of War 1 style

>>5099371
As long as it's not DoW 3 blackflipping marines, it's good with me.

Well, we are quite tied at the moment, so if someone wants to break it here in the next hour or so that would be great.

>>5099497
I think we actually have more for Dominus since somebody changed their vote.

Or did I miscount

>>5099497
If we are tied, you can disregard my change in vote to keep it moving.
I only did it because I worried AL3X would inherit all the forges, not because I wanted to do it anyway.

>>5098718
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>>5099140
Exploratory is 8

>>5098728
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>>5099249
Domini

Huh. 8.

Explorator
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Dominus
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>>5099249

Indecisive idiot
>>5098748
>>5098934

>>5098710
>>Inherit the rank of Arch Dominus

We'll want the prebuilt industrial base to maximize our gains before Daddy inevitably finds us and we have to worry about integrating out Acillians with more typical Astartes. (Hopefully as Techmarines and Officers)

>>5099569
Well shit, I counted myself both in indecisive and in domini, guess idiot was the right term to use afterall.

>>5099576
>(Hopefully as Techmarines and Officers)
Which themselves will be a stop gap measure, while we focus on mass education of our legion.

Until the day everyone is a TechMarine

>>5099569
I don't think I voted yet.

>>5099582
Than do it anon, let your voice be heard! No one is too dumb to vote, as proven by me.

>>5098710
>Inherit the Rank of Arch Dominus
It sucks and takes a long ass time to start from scratch. We'd need support either way, may as well have an industrial base to jump off of.

I still want to go explore and establish a Offworld tho... What if by doing so we can discover what truly happened to the plastoids?

What if we encounter other lost human worlds and aerotech. Man I'm already regretting votting.

>>5099588
It's Space
It ain't going anywhere

It's nice to go exploring with a fleet behind your back, rather than a few ships

Plus, let's do some tinkering so we can go there fully prepared for Space Bear.

Maybe we can even make our very own Artificier Armor, then upgrade it to be even better once we regain contact with Mars and our Father.

>>5099593
It's just QM has said we are on a time limit plenty of times, it makes me worried that if we don't go now we are going to miss cool shit.
Atleats that is my worry, I can't read the other anon's mind.

>>5099576
>>5099586
Sweet domini.

Arch Explorator 7 because of a changed vote
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Arch Dominus 10 votes
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*WIP for TalOS dream suit*
*Uploading Weapons 36.583%*

Currently:
Custom Artificier Terminator Armor
Custom Jump Pack
*>Able to both do big short leaps or hover the whole body for charging forward*
Iron Halo Conversion Field + Supplemental Shoulder Mounted Reinforcers
Right Hand:
Custom Underslung Torsion Cannon + "Truth" Omni-Axe Bayonet Attachment
*>Can also maintain a target in place by not rotating the Gaol-Field rings, perfect for holding something in place and then skewering them with the Omni-Axe. TalOS can calibrate the beam to be so precise it also functions as a can-opener!*
Left Hand:
Underslung Eradication Beamer
Overslung Twin-Linked Eradication Ray
*>Note to self: Upgrade to Metallican Omni-Sterilize variant when encounter said forge world*

I wonder if Lucius has enough resources to make this partially or completely happen

>>5099631
Those guns are just so large. I love it.

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>>5099634
You might convince the Squats to join Lucius just on principle.

>>5099638
Based, they were done dirty.

>>5099659
To be fair, having your entire species be on a single subsector and a handful of planets rather than being scattered out and about the Galaxy was never the wisest idea when it comes to survivability.

Still it lasted for 10,000 years and they even got praise by Russ, but one bad turn was all it took.

But maybe we can save them in the long run by convincing them to have a mining colony in our empire

>>5099668
Oh,I woyld have accepted then being wipeout, and the remaining being absorbed into the imperium due to nescessity.
It's the teleporting bugs killing them all to the last man, and than retconning the retcon later that pissed me off.

>>5099634
Question QM
So in designing this thing, part me of wants to for the moment go for weapons we can currently produce on Lucius. Ideally, so far I think most of what is drawn can.

There are some things I wonder if we, in our great and brilliant mind, or at least maybe conferring with the Ark Mechanicus Lucius for STC fragments can attempt to replicate, even if in a cruder version.

For example, Aegis Energy Blades. The STC fragments and the crystals to manufacture it were discovered by the Cult of Sollex in the Calixis sector. But if we put our minds to it, could we try and recreate the concept? The ones from the STC might be more compact or advanced perhaps, better, but is mimicking the notion of it possible?

>>5099692
This is a late game design and theory crafting. I would suggest you make him as insane as you want as you once again convince your fellows whether or not you want the badass things.

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They all continued to talk to one another in an attempt to figure out if TalOS was a good fit for the job. Around him the numerous Tech Priests who came here continued their chatter on the semi-private chat networks that discussed much the same thing.

After all, numerous Forges had relied upon the previous Arch Dominus for protection from both Mutants and up-start Tech Priests thinking they can forcibly change the order of things.

Deciding that he was not going to let his fate be controlled by others TalOS started to speak through his vox unit, +Lords of the High Court! Give me permission to speak for my very fate!+

To everyone’s surprise the words that were just spoken had cut through the air and caught each of their attention. Something like that was not to be understated as only the Fabricator General could have performed such a feat.

+The permissions are given.+ Declared the Fabricator General who was silenced for the entire discussion.

+Thank you, Fabricator General.+ TalOS answered back as he opened his arms and Mechnrites, +Brothers and Sisters of the Priest Hood, before we have been struck unawares by an enemy who we did not know of. They had infiltrated our society and forges, from which they both planned and launched an attack upon our homes!+

TalOS began moving now as he spoke from one group to another all about the courtroom, +Through the decision of the Machine Spirits I was chosen to lead the Crusade, for which I have succeeded in completely annihilating the Xenos from this region of the Galaxy. If I am to inherit the rank of Arch Dominus from Arch Dominus J0LT, I will make my damndest sure that any who have ever even thought about conquering Lucius finds us upon their atmosphere first.+

There was a moment where chatter began to break out in all forms. Even when the answer was upon the Horizon the Tech Priests began to wonder what kind of solutions TalOS were to present to them. That was the nature of Tech Priests after all was to try their best to attain comprehension.

+Priests of the Machine God, upon inheriting the title of Arch Dominus I aim to attack the numerous stars around us and face off against all who are upon them. The Warp Storms are finished after all, if we do not go forward and meet out enemies we will just be sitting here for them to destroy!+ TalOS declared to those present.

Those words were enough to get a nice rile out of all present and even across the planet. TalOS was aware of previous attempts to do the same thing, including the rumors of an entire Forge World being established just a small ways from Lucius. However to move forward militarily and conquer in the same of security was something none considered.

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To say the High Court was momentarily stunned was an understatement. Each and every one of them, even his sponsor Arch Genetor R3KT was surprised by both the presence TalOS exhumed and the sheer audacity of an idea that was given.

However even if that idea broke a majority of previous thoughts the Arch Genetor was able to pick up on it, +It is as the Acting Arch Dominus says, we need to take a preemptive strike against our foes! Unlike any other attempts before this date the Warp Storms have cleared up and we now host the Acillians!+

+We still only host 977 Acillians, while they are an excellent supplement to a force it does not guarantee we can use them to that extent.+ Another of the Arch Magos answered back with a good bit of skepticism.

+Our current Genepool is narrow and does not host enough for a true ramp-up of production.+ Pointed out the Genetor with a glint in his mechanical eyes, +If we were to track down other human planets and sift through their populations the amount of soldiers can approach even Hundreds of Thousands.+

Now that was something no one expected to hear outright. Yes the Forge World of Lucius had millions of Skitarii even now but all present had seen the results of the Acillians. Some feared this was giving too much power to a single person, others were buying into the philosophy of defensive conquest. Some, even now, caught themselves drooling at the prospect of the unspoken amounts of knowledge that were just beyond the stars.

Before everyone was worried about the prospect of an inexperienced Tech Priest taking the reins of the planet’s military. Now they were buying into the idea of breaking out into the stars for both knowledge and security.

+I hereby call a vote.+ The Fabricator General declared to those present, +Place your votes.+

TalOS and all the Tech Priests present watched as the High Council placed their votes into the systems. The results were in immediately, showing that 75% of the Council voted in favor of confirming TalOS as the next Arch Dominus and heir to the legacy of Arch Dominus J0LT. Few voted against, with Arch Magos ADM1N abstaining from the vote.

+Arch Dominus TalOS DAV1D, the High Court have confirmed your position.+

However just as the result was given TalOS looked over to see the Arch Magos giving a reluctant but calm nod of approval.

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The Court Session was over and TalOS was given a data package of immense size. TalOS had only a few seconds to screen through it as he realized it was the records of property with ownership rights belonging to the previous Arch Dominus. It took TalOS a whole ten minutes to go through the plethora of information in order to make two cents of it all.

Among the package was a note as well. TalOS read over just a few scripts of its code before realizing what it was asking for and started his way over. It was in fact a location that he once before was called to, though this time the positions were much different.

Traveling from the High Court TalOS did not need to go very far, since the courthouse was the direct property of the Fabricator General himself. Within minutes of his leave TalOS was given a face full of heat and steel as he entered the Manufactorium of the Highest Ranking individual of Lucius.

The Fabricator General was already there, showing a perfect understanding of his lands. The smaller man nodded as Arch Dominus TalOS ascended the steps to confront the person who called him there.

Even as TalOS bowed he was larger than the Fabricator General though worry of this did not come through the old man’s voice, +Raise your head, Arch Dominus TalOS.+

TalOS did as he was instructed, looking down upon the closer to human form the Fabricator General had.

+Congratulations.+ The Fabricator General’s first words were as he made a sweeping motion with his hands, +Accelerating through the ranks faster than any thought possible, you are near the age of ten years already and yet you hold greater power than those who have lived for hundreds of years. However now you must confirm that power and make sure it goes towards your goal.+

+I take it you have called me for that reason?+

The Fabricator General nodded, +As you no doubt know you shall be giving me Skitarii to protect my forges while I transfer to you both your permit to recruit and numerous pieces of resources. If today we agreed to for you to lend me more, then I can give you 1.75 times the original agreement between me and Arch Dominus J0LT.+

TalOS didn’t even need a second to realize he was asking for the Acillians. As the Fabricator General there was no reason for him not to get first dibs on the army that he in fact financed. Though did TalOS want to allow his sons to be used as garrison troops and pawns for TalOS’s own schemes.

TalOS would never give the rights to a single Acillian away, but he can lend them to others.

>You shall get the Acillians, a garrison of twenty five should be plenty to deter anyone.
>Fabricator General, remember in my report about the Gellar Field?
>We shall keep the same agreement for now, maybe another time.

You guys can always write in as well. This is going to be a contract confirmation after all.

>>5099731
What's the geller field argument?

I don't see it's relevance

>>5099744
You can try and sell him the secrets to Gellar Field technology.

>>5099731
>Show to him the creations of our acillians, and our proposal on how they develop new technology. Our son's martial prowess is but the tip of their value. If we are to lend our acillians, we should work together to ensure all of their talents are used.
>Fabricator General, remember in my report about the Gellar Field?

>>5099747
I feel like that should be offered anyway.

>>5099731
>Offer him the secrets of the geller field in exchange for greater resources. If the old man knows what he wants [the ancillians] then give him the information anyway with the understanding of a favor/smoothing along the beurocratics of our ancillian creation plan and the garrison of 25 for the resources.

This way we don't part with our sons, and if he is a canny diplomat then we can still profit from it without seeming to hold back knowledge that we don't really have any buissness keeping to ourselves.

>>5099751
if he gets our sons, we will have to brief him on their abilities and quirks.

>>5099751
To clarify my vote, I'm trying to get him to recognise that they aren't only super skitarii, but a skitarii magus combination as well, so they are even more valuable.
Maybe if he would sponsor the tech comitee and the studies of some of the more bright, and in exchange he reaps some of the benefits.
Also trying to make a new structure where we can coordinate the acillians that work with him with ours, maybe with a part that is retainer and one that rotates.
Something like the Varagian guard maybe? Mercenaries but loyal.

>>5099762
This is a deal, we have to brief him before to drive the price up.

So QM
Which is the better interpretation in your opinion
>This is all being spoken in Binary/Closed Loop Telecomm and is to be considered a translation of concepts and ideas of pure data given written form for the viewer
>Forgeworld Lucius has not abandoned the fine art of conventional communication, while still retaining the means to conduct matters in more efficient binary, prefer high level decisions and councils to be done in verbal for the sake of tradition and culture

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>>5099731
>Write In

Fabricator general, I sense mutual opportunity available.

My Acillians are more than just soldiers and fighters. I intend for each and every one of them to be gifted in the arts of technology, logistics and the holy sciences. Their enhanced congition is a weapon unto its own, and that is before any cybernetic augmentations.

I offer you 25 Acillians, but with the request that they be provisioned with resources and education of the Legio Cybernetica such that they can learn how to manage and control such robots. I furthermore ask they be granted permission to modify existing protocols and designs (within what is permissible by the law of Cult Mechanicus) so as to improve and boost the blessed machines under their tenure.

Think how a single techpriest might use such robots or servitors in defense, establishing patrols, preparing weapons positions and defensive barriers. A body in spacetime may only exist in one place at the same time, but the powers of the mind can extend beyond if given the limbs and means to do so.

To further emphasize my commitment to a most glorious relationship, I also offer you some substantial research in Gellar Field technology I have uncovered.

TL;DR
>Offer him 25 Acillians as garrison under the stipulation we be allowed to craft them into the best damn garisson troops there are. Defensive specialists, with tools, equipped to manipulate Cybernetica and Servitors as sappers, labour, and additional firepower
>Fabricator General, remember in my report about the Gellar Field?

>>5099780
It is Binary is with the full comprehension, however I would think it'd be kinda foolish to think no one would be able to lie using it. Even the admech have their Charlatans after all who stay under the radar. However anything with the +...+ is assumed to be performed in the Binary.

>>5099772
>>5099770
Ah, I see.

Yes, yes. Driving up the price is a good one. . but it can't be in material gains, since to make use of our sons, he needs to provide resources for them to work with.
Possibly use the good will and favourtism to set up our kids, as >>5099807 suggests and then give us perfect leave to apply their findings in the wider force of our sons.

>>5099817
Hmm. Perhaps some tutorship from the fabricator general, when he has a spare slot or something?

but that may be encroachment on his time. . . but will also let us solidify our hold on his office, if he trusts them implicitly.

>>5099821
Well, we can always suggest they are more than capable of helping him in nearly any sort of help he might want.

Be it defense, research, exploration, and such.

But since he is asking for garrison troops, I believe allowing them to focus on defense would be wise.

>>5099731
Fuck it I'll back these two

>>5099807
>>5099751

>>5099751
>>5099807
+1

>>5099807
Support.

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Another addition:
>Fist of the Uncreator - Instead of just a traditional Techmarine claw, TalOS installed a fully functional upscaled arm which is in actuality a much more powerful version of the Gauntlet of the Uncreator, which he uses to both repair equipment and reverese engineer new finds.
>Custom Graviton Hammer - Modified so as to be smaller and allow the Fist of the Uncreator better flexibility, yet still every bit as effective

TalOS:
"In a way that my good brother will appreciate, allow me to posit this:
Theoretical: 'in the pursuit of harnessing the blessings of the Motive Force, where one may be tempted to seek only the mysteries of particle and waveform, it must not be forgotten that the simple, pure kinetic potential is also part the Motive Force'
Practical: 'sometimes, I like to punch things'"

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>>5099952
>TalOS also keeps up the appearance that the Arm can only mimick the movement of the hand, keeping up the appearance in most situations
>Should any foe be so powerful and dangerous as to warrant engaging him in CQC, they will be gravely disillusioned if they imagine by pinning or harming his right hand they have disabled the arm.
>"It never hurts to keep a good left hook in your back pocket, just in case"

>>5099751
Support

>>5099807
+1

>>5099952
I only have 3 things to say
Rock em Sock em Robots
Yaoi hands
Fapping arm

Now that the jokes are out of the way, good job

>>5100193
You forgot robot wars

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>>5099952
>>5100193

Yeah I know there were more votes but these were the overall desire of the people.
>>5099807
>>5099751

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+That is indeed a valuable offer, one that I consider is quite the exchange if I am to be honest.+ TalOS admitted as he pondered over the words of the Fabricator General, +However, my Lord, I feel that you are underestimating the capabilities of the Acillian.+

Those words seemed to have intrigued the person quite enough, the Fabricator General giving a motion of the hand asking for the explanation to continue.

+Unlike Skitarii my sons have proven themselves to be quite intelligent. All of them have shown to have endemic memories, recalling everything that has happened to them as well as recalling all tactics that were fed to them. With such a powerful mind I feel leaving them to be simple garrison troops to be something of a waste.+ TalOS pointed out with a form of confidence, +I ask of you to not only use them for Garrison, but those who wish it to be trained by in your art of Cybernetica.+

+So you do not just seek resources from me, but knowledge.+ It was for a moment but TalOS could tell the years that weighed upon the Fabricator General almost fall off as he spoke those words, +However the knowledge of my Wafers and Protocols are valuable, especially for the purposes of security.+

TalOS gave a solemn nod understanding clearly what he meant, +You remember the report I gave, how it talked about knowledge I gleaned from the Gellar Field’s Machine Spirit?+

The oldest man on the planet gave a solemn nod to those words.

+I will give them to you, a full transcript and analysis in return for you personally training my sons in the art of the Cybernetica.+

There was a moment’s pause as the Fabricator General worked. Venerated Machine Spirits clouded his mind with calculations that all likely pointed in different directions for him to take.

However such knowledge was something he could not deny.

+Very well, Arch Dominus TalOS. Grant me the secrets of the Gellar Field and I shall grant to your sons my knowledge. I cannot guarantee each of them will be trained by me.+ The Fabricator General wisely declared, +But I know if I teach just one of your sons, all present could easily learn it from them with a near hundred percent accuracy.+

With those words the two quickly created a contract between one another. Numerous pieces of information about who and what would be done were given. Upon the verification with perfect coherence was shared between the two, the document was ‘signed’.

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Each domain of the Mechanicum held its own form of production. Some would specialize in the formation of electricity while others would specialize in the creation of special armaments. Some still would focus on shipyards or the gathering of minerals.

As TalOS approached the facility of the previous Arch Dominus he reviewed the records and found out what exactly the previous Arch Dominus specialized in creating.

The production of Skitarii.

That was the main reason why the Manufactorium that was to be TalOS’s was so odd. While it was attached to a small city the Forge itself had situated itself between some of the largest cities upon Lucius. One thousand five hundred humans would be trafficked to the facility where they would remain for a better part of a month. After the month was up they would be shipped out to the numerous Barracks that TalOS now owned across the planet as full fledged Skitarii.

IT can be said that TalOS now stood at the highest point of an enormous pyramid of production practices. This Forge was something of a final assembly where the production of Skitarii were finished, while his vassal forges would make a majority of the parts necessary for their creation. Underneath them were their own vassal forges who delivered a series of materials to them.

This was not the full scope however. At numerous vital parts of production TalOS now held a near monopoly. For example, the permit to acquire none-villainous humans for production was something only he held and all those he gave permission to. It went as far as, during emergencies, TalOS could essentially kidnap people off the streets in order to meet wartime quotas.

TalOS noted that these permissions have yet to be revoked from the time the Crusade was declared. It seemed the Fabricator General believed in TalOS’s cause and decided that Lucius was still officially at war.

Now Forge Master, TalOS walked into his personal Manufactorium with an inquisitive eye. At every point there were plenty of people working to either give final assembly to parts or placing the parts upon the newly made soldiers. These humans were doing the Machine God’s work, though TalOS could not help but notice that many of their vitals seemed to be much worse than is optimal for a normal human.

Something to possibly look into, though TalOS knew that he was going to be a lot more busy here soon.

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Within minutes of his arrival numerous Acillians began to flood the Manufactorium. Within minutes the entire place was under the direct command of Mitarii AL4N, who was happily chatting up what TalOS recognized to be the current Marshal of the local Skitarii forces.

As the Acillians came in TalOS himself was ascending to the datacenter of the entire Manufactorium. This area was obviously the main office of his predecessor, giving him a clean view across the numerous pieces of parts of assembly. TalOS had noted a few places that prepared Skitarii were stopping in a modestly long line waiting to get through.

Bottlenecks.

There were a plethora of them about the place that his eyes could see. Each of them a much deeper issue that had their numerous origins such as stock shortages to not having enough equipment in order to get the job done.

TalOS had one of his mechanrites stick themselves into the systems and began to address the numerous problems of the place. These were quickly identified and compared to each of the other Manufactoriums that made up almost all the Skitarii forces that were made on this planet.

It seems that the gathering and processing of humans had hit the highest possible. There was no possibility TalOS could bring in more humans to be turned into Skitarii unless he were to open new factories. This of course was a suboptimal solution as it would take away capital that TalOS will surely need to start acquiring Voidships.

Next up was of course seeing about improving equipment. With his mind TalOS was surely going to be able to improve the capacity tenfold, but it would take around a week for his designs to be distributed throughout just this Forge Complexe.

Then again it can be a simple case where there needs to be a complete overhal of the process. If it was possible to shrink the amount of tasks this Forge had to do through changing the operation of assembly to an improved version TalOS would be able to do just that using this place as a guinea pig. Anything he came up with would surely be approved as he was the Arch Dominus, which held considerably more weight.

Lastly, there were some issues with the humans themselves who worked in his factories.

At the end, if TalOS would get more Skitarii, that would mean he can get more materials for both his coming Crusade and not need to use as many of his Sons as bargaining chips.

>>The more you pick the more time its gonna take.
>Improve the Machinery
>Take a look at the method
>Give workers rights.

>>5100742
>>Improve the Machinery
>>Take a look at the method
Specifically, if we can improve the survival rate and quality of the output, even if the quota might suffer slightly, its worth it imo

>>5100742
>Improve the machinery
>Improve the method

Effectively, we want to increase quality and overhaul the production line to increase our efficiency. When these two rise, our output is happy.

>>5100742
>Improve the Machinery
>Take a look at the method
rights can come later when we are more secure in our position.

>>5100765
It's martian doctrine that the workers are doing their duty to the Omnissiah. So. . eh. They don't really need rights, just to be taken care of adequately.

The smallest cogs still need oiling, after all.

>>5100742
>Improve the Machinery
>Take a look at the method

>>5100768
>>5100765
Rights without the means to support them are but a flawed recognition of an existing deficit.

Better to correct the deficit first, ensure that it can always be maintained, and then to have the right stem thereafter. So that rights are more a statement of the status quo, rather than a goal to be achieved.

We will improve living conditions, one day at a time as Guilliman did. Better automation is supposed to decrease the need for manual labour, not increase it.

>>5100742
>Improve the Machinery
>Take a look at the method

>>5100785
I sort of get your meaning, but Talos is a techpriest and a high ranking one at that.

It benefits him and us more to take care of our workers so they are healthy and somewhat content while still offering them 0 ways to defy us, since that will light a powder keg when the other magi dont follow suit.

>>5100791
Right. I just mean, to take better care of our workers, it's best to fix their livelihoods first and then make it into rights. Rather than declaring rights without effectively backing them up or implementing the change.

I dream of a forge world staffed almost entirely by servitors and techpriest foremen, with humans working on education, training, the arts.

How we can go about that I'm not sure, but I'm sure TalOS would know since he's smart.

I would imagine though, it might involve:
-Increasing the efficiency of existing factories, so that they require less human input
-Boosting the efficiency and effectivness of servitors and other factory automata
-Improving the working conditions of humans, and fostering the culture of glad offerings of the old and sick to the servitor conversions and praising them for their service

Eventually coming to a point where the average citizen is supported by the forge world, rather than the other way around, where they provide not the grind and toil of their daily lives but the knowledge that after their pleasant existence they will continue to serve on, as their forebears do.

>>5100809
I guess I should have said give them better conditions. Really calling it rights was a shorthand.

>>5100809
ALSO
before you say people will not like to be turned into servitors after they die

I would like to point out that for the vast majority, people turn into food or fertilizer when they die

So being able to know your body is treated with respect and dignity of a blessed machine is definitely an upgrade

>>5100810
Could TalOS theory craft or come up with a sort of social experiment, even in his head, such that he might present it to the Forgemaster to ask for a test run?

I have ideas, but if my fellow anons feel the same way, it's nice to know TalOS himself might review it and consider its feasibility with his Primarch intellect

>>5100814
You are the Forge Master, even the Tech Priest Adepts who help in the facility work directly with you and will do as you say.

So say anything you want. This is the time where you guys can scheme up something and see how it does.

>>5100742
>1) Take a look at the method
>2) Improve the Machinery
>3) Give workers rights.

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>>5100742
>Write In
Gentlemen, I am going to propose yet another theory action. This seems the best time for it.

The first phase in a long term plan, to improve simultaneously the efficiency of our forge world and the quality of life of the humans upon it.

The basic premise is this: Improve the efficiency of both the methodology and the machinery of the factory, such that its output can be maintained with less humans. Ideally even, design tailoring new servitors who fulfill the role in a superior manner to humans.

The increased output of the factory can then be spent on improving the lives of the humans, giving them better living conditions. This, we will offer them, a choice: live in a much better standard of living, fulfilling your lives, have the chance to seek out better education, or join the ranks of the military, or simply to raise the families we need. At the end of it all, rather than being ground up into food, fertilizer or chems, or being turned into shoddy servitors, their bodies, long lived and fulfilled, will be privileged to become servitors of our own design. Guaranteed with the promise that the existence of their former shells (for the soul has only left its husk behind, and does not remain) will experience the great satisfaction of a fulfilled duty and purpose, to be regularly maintained with care and blessings, and who will continue to work the factories so that their children and their childrens children can live their lives not grinding their flesh to blood and bone inside the factories, but as techpriests, lay-mechanics, educated workers who oversee the great machinery.

TL;DR
>Look into increased efficiency of machinery+methods
>Develop special designed servitors by us that are both much more efficient than a human worker, and also pleasing to look at as well as the guarantee that the spirit inside it will be well pleased with its function
>Use the increased efficiency to afford a better quality of living for the workers, who can work less and in better conditions, as we slowly phase the factory to servitor work
>Foster a culture of veneration of the servitors, as honored ancestors, and the notions that by becoming servitors you ensure the wellbeing of your children and families to live good lives
>The human former workers can then go apply themselves in better ways, as Skitarii, as Tech Priests for Hospitals, Culture Makers, Space Exploration. The true essence of the Machine God is knowledge, and the increase of knowledge and educated workers pleases him so

I am very much welcome to criticism of this plan, though I am at least eager to see if TalOS might make it work or might rule it out and have a better idea

>>5100742
>Take a look at the method
>Improve the workers conditions

>>5100810
Rights was definatly the wrong word and most likely the reason so many people didn't even consider it.

>>5100821
How about we focus more on a more clean and less polluting environment, and worker safety.

>>5100821
Supporting this.

>>5100910
Can we do that if the atmosphere is likely already fucked?

>>5100742
>Improve the Machinery
>Take a look at the method

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>>5100942

>>5100821
Supporting

>>5100910
We should def pursue this at some point. Another thing Ultramar was able to do, employ big air scrubbers to make their worlds more breathable.

>>5101038
HOWEVER I will point out it may be more efficient in the short term to just have air tight living spaces

And in the long term have the people live on better cleaner worlds and let forge worlds be polluted as need be with servitors who won't care too much, but we can certainly come up with better air filtration so the servitors are cleaner and last longer

>>5101043
Efficient, no, effective, yes. Would be better to get started now and do as much as we can to ensure a healthy biosphere.

We could even move the most polluting effects onto some barren moon with no atmosphere or make our future factories self contained to trap the pollution and deal with it directly. We can do any combination of them.

>>5100821
I wil support this because of the effort you put in the plan

>>5100821
We will want to establish some of those who are laid off as a self improvement club.

Literally get a genetics improvement thing going maybe so we can get superior skitarri.

>>5100742
changing my vote >>5100816 to this >>5100821

>>5101064
So a weird thing about Forge World Air. While its pretty fucking horrid for normal humans Skitarii purposefully carry a tank of their home world's gases as a sort of Stimulant. So as far as I can tell, the atmosphere is actually purposefully made to be horrible to improve the operation of machines and servitors.

>>5101092
Even more reason to separate human air or people from skitarii/servitor atmos

Until we can make more of them cyborgs

>>5101092
This is normal. IN WH40k, the harsher and the the more you struggle to survive, the tougher your children will become. Hence why every planet with good soldier candidates is a deathworld... Except for Ciaphas Cain's novels, which are an exception, and Ultramar, because they're Mary Sues.

>2) Improve the Machinery

The workers can be repurposed into a servitor if they die in an accident, so no need to improve their conditions.

>>5101277
Ultramar is coasting on the genius of a primarch who specialised in paperwork and efficiency on the sort of scale that never really took off in the rest of the primarchs

>>5101092
Internal lung combustion engines?

>>5101281
Except us!

Only we use machines and our brilliant mind and hitch a ride on the admech blessings.

We should just download a shit ton of Admech Logisticae Cognis Boosters

Method and Machinery
>>5100755
>>5100762
>>5100765
>>5100785
>>5100777
>>5100976

Method and Easement
>>5100821
>>5100921
>>5101030
>>5101071
>>5100823
>>5101089

Hmm, should I hurt a modestly well designed write-in, with support, because a bunch of people could not real the first rule of this thread?

>>5101513
Let the dice decide.

Rolled 2, 1 = 3 (2d2)

>>5101519
And so it shall.

>>5101551
Oops, well the first number to come up was a 2 so it shall be the write in!

>>5101552
While it was not my vote that won, Praise the machine god!

>>5101565
Its algorithms truly work in mysterious ways!

>>5101551
>>5101552
Praise the Machine God.

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Time passed along with an immense amount of reforms to the structure and operations of the facility that TalOS now operated directly.

The very first thing that TalOS wanted to look into was a few modifications to the Servitors. Something about the operation struck TalOS as inefficient and such an inefficiency could surely be cured through the modification of Servitors.

This resulted in an entire day being put aside as the Primarch slowly went through each and every one of his Servitor’s Data-Wafers. The pieces of silicon was something of an oddity TalOS would have to admit as he looked over them. They were all simple and obviously made in accordance to some mental process that the current Arch Dominus was not aware of today.

While he did mark it down in his memory, he started to do the laborious task of manipulating the wafers based on his previous experiences with the Cybernetica. These experiences were only for a few days as TalOS was more focused on the operation of Skitarii but he never forgot them.

With proper Syntax TalOS edited the wafer with a variety of considerations and thought processes. Before the Primarch was done he looked upon his creation with a few moment’s thought.

The main reason Skitarii were mainly used instead of servitors was because Skitarii did not require Data-Wafers. No, at the end of the day Skitarii were sapient people who were given enough technology to vastly improve themselves, while Servitors only read off the data-sheet that was submitted to them.

Though TalOS had to consider how close he could get to actually being sapient like with a Data-Wafer? It was a fun thought but for now he only focused on making it so the Servitors can understand subtle changes in alignment that would have previously caused problems.

While before if a Servitor was presented a box that was rotated 30 degrees off center and upside down they would not have been able to do their operations. Now though that was going to be changed.

And to say the changes to the Servitors was a massive success was an understatement. With these changes TalOS was now looking towards his workers and their situations. Right now they were working roughly twenty hours a day which was suboptimal for a human. If he was to focus on his human capital then there were surely some changes he could make.

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Within a month and a half TalOS was able to establish the Data-Wafers and move around the crew of his complexe.

Previously the Servitors were stuck to a much more concentrated form of operation where their programing would not faulter with errors. With the newly designed Data-Wafers TalOS was able to expand their operations by almost half, as well as making them move much smoother.

As for his standard worker, TalOS still needed them. With his suspicions the Arch Dominus went ahead and cut the time that each of his peasants worked in half thanks to the machines. While he was met with a massive amount of panic by the people, TalOS assured them that they did not forsaken the Machine God and would still be paid a proper wage.

Within a week everyone’s bodies began to change. No longer was his workers looking to be on the frontier of death but instead flesh was building upon their bones and their eyes were so much more focused.

He smiled as he passed a couple of children who were probably as old as he was, knowing that he had done some good.

And with his doing good it overall helped the factory itself! After these changes the entire operation of the complexe was now begging to have more bodies thrown into it. TalOS himself estimated that just this complexe would be able to produce 4,500 Skitarii in a single day while the pipeline rate was halved to only two weeks per soldier. And this was only one Manufactorium.

As he passed through the Manufactorium he knew this was not the end of it all however. TalOS suspected that the secrets to a more productive facility laid within helping his workers and was scheming out a modification to their living quarters. The man who created the Acillians had quickly recognized that the Atmosphere was suboptimal for humans and surely a change in that would result in even higher production!

However that was not what today was for. No, today was slotted for something very different that the Primarch admitted was going to happen eventually. Just as he expected waiting at the door was the newly made Dux Dominus D3X, a person who TalOS could confidently say was his friend.

+Retrieving memory; I was here once before, TalOS.+ Claimed the Dominus as he looked over the operations, +But I do not remember operations to be moving so fast and smoothly.+

+At the core of it was a problem with the Wafers and Human Capital.+ TalOS told his fellow as he began to ascend towards his office, +We will talk about the person inside.+

+Understood; though I would find it hard to believe there would be spies here.+ admitted D3X as he looked at the Acillians who were all keeping guard over their Father’s Forge.

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TalOS waited for his fellow to enter the compartment before ordering the doors to be shut and sealed behind them. The smell of incense quickly took the air as TalOS’s prototype scrubbers began to operate.

+Subject: Acting Dux Dominus AL3X.+ Declared the man-machine across from TalOS as a data package was sent, +You will find that there is not much present.+

TalOS gave a solemn nod as he looked over the data, +I see you were able to sneak in a few workers and Servitors among her personnel. I can understand the workers but what of the Servitors?+

+I gained access to her data-base and assigned a void value to a new Servitor, then sent him to the Facility under my direct control. She failed to notice the change and gave me physical access.+

+Interesting, I will need to make sure my systems are not susceptible to such attacks.+ TalOS claimed as he thought about the numerous machines, +A confirmation network should fair, don’t you think?+

+I think such a network would be optimal.+ Admitted the Tech Priest as he lifted a withered hand, +Subject realigned; As you can see there is currently no forms of Xeno-Tech Research. She only has theories on isolated Cogiators that speak of what exactly the Xenos were doing.+

+It seems she figured out that the Xenos were mostly Psykers, however the trail stops there.+ TalOS determined as he read on, +The trail has stopped there, I take it she was not able to gather Psykers for any experiments?+

+From my understanding that is the case. Assessment made: Psykers are rare already along with an ancient extermination protocol placed into the network and they will be dead before she can get them.+

+Wise.+ TalOS summarized his entire thought in a single sentence before he raised a brow, +Do we know who placed it in the protocol?+

+Unknown, protocol is in the Framework of Lucius itself and thus only those that old could have done so.+ Admitted the Dux Dominus before he pointed out something else, +Issue Occurred; TalOS, you must decide what to do about Acting Dux Dominus AL3X’s status. I have checked the records and she is slotted for confirmation of her promotion based on her tenure and knowledge base.+

+But that would mean giving her more power.+

The Cyborg only nodded as TalOS was confirmed to be correct.

>Keep her as a Dominus
>Confirm her to Dux Dominus, best to keep her close
>Start stripping her rights, she is a dangerous individual.
>Stage an assassination.

>>5101716
>Confirm her to Dux Dominus, best to keep her close
Can we find a way to keep her under us in the vassal structure? Maybe a trade in forges, to ensure we can keep an eye on her?

>>5101716
>Keep her close and seemingly in confidence. Meanwhile, continue spy initatives, perhaps we can develop our own infiltrators.

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>>5101716
I presume this forge world does not have a large Magos Psykana contingent? Just maybe some Astropathic and Navigator houses?

I am reminded of Fulgrim on Byzas. When faced with schemes, plots, and politics, what did he do? Did he rely soley on his iterator and her spies, content to just play the game? No. He didn't want to play the game. He wanted to rip the rulesheet up, and make his own moves.

And when Lorgar needed to convert the sand people, did he go to each of their caravans and nomadic tribes? Nay. He killed a great Worm that could have slain an army, and used its corpse as a sign for those to follow him.

So let's break the ice with a graviton hammer and cut to the chase.

>Write-In
Go to AL3X, sit down and talk, use our charisma to try and get her to tell us exactly what it is she wants to achieve. Let her know that, when it comes to matters of safety and the security of the Forge World, in determining who we can consider enemy or ally, we want nothing but to be truthful and straightforward. There is a place in the Cult Mechanicus for knowledge both Psykana, and studies of Xenos, if how to better fight them. If we understand what it is she seeks, we can determine if it is something we can support, or come to compromise.

>>5101716
>Confirm her to Dux Dominus, best to keep her close

>>5101768
I think we should work together, give our full comendation that she be confirmed to dux dominus, but not being so completely straightforward. Since heresy is what she is looking at and heresy we famously will not allow.

>>5101716
>Stage an assassination.

>>5101768
+1

>>5101716
>Confirm her to Dux Dominus, best to keep her close
If there's nothing on her then there's no point to keeping her down besides potentially revealing we're watching her. Better to let her get the promotion and just keep an eye on her

>>5101716
>>Confirm her to Dux Dominus, best to keep her close

I was thinking for the great military conquest in preparation, Acillians, Skitarii, Servitors, Titans and Robots are all great and powerful together for land armies. But they require far more maintenance the larger the numbers and we can only get so many numbers for them even as a powerful forge world as we are. So why don't we propose in addition to the forces that are being made, to create the Crimson Lucius Regular Army (name pending) ?
Now armies of mortal men aren't powerful, but there is many reasons why we should make it in my opinion.
- We can recruit large numbers of population, and if Talos improvements spread through the world even more people will be not required working. Any losses of them would be easier to recover.
- They would be cheap to recruit and maintain (also meaning we can have plenty of them alongside the rest of the mechanicus army we are creating). Their training would last some months, making them still professional soldiers.
- Their equipment doesn't need to be advance thus making it cheap to make too, it could be just full body covering metal armor combined with some resilient clothing (place a gas mask inside and they are even safe from gas attacks, and a radio for communication), and that is better than what most humans have out there in the galaxy. With some improved autoguns or low tier energy weapons they would be above most regular enemies and can put up a fight against superior enemies, before our more powerful forces arrive for help them.
- With their numbers and easy maintenance, they would be a good choice to place as garrisons in the conquered solar systems. Their loyalty can be ensured through religion, patriotic propaganda and an iron discipline. Add better conditions/food/pay and not treating them like dirt, and they wouldn't even think of betrayals.
- Furthermore they would be mortal humans. Where we go and conquer other humans, those conquered people's will not be too fearful of seeing terrifying metal-men hybrids if they also see mortal men with them. Another reason why they would be the perfect garrisons in conquered solar systems.
- In addition once the conquered solar systems are integrated in our newborn empire, is far easy for us to recruit and train armies (from the locals) of Crimson Lucius Regular Army (name pending) troops.

>>5101768
+1

Kek, Malcador will trully have hateboner for MC. A weapon that built his own legion with own supersoldiers and mech. No easy way to assassinate if MC go into rebellion mode, no way to curb his powerbase since he can produce his own spice marinades withou problem. And no way to do it without Mechanicum going screeeeeeee!

>>5102094
There is absolutely nothing wrong with large contingents of mortals. Ultramar does the same.

TalOS is basically going to be inspired, and somewhat competitive, with Guilliman, seeking to establish an empire that rivals his. All in good fun at least, nothing to the likes of Dorn and Pert

>>5102137
And unlike every other Primarch, we like blanks!

>>5101805
Well we have no proof of heresy yet, do we? Just that she is seeking things

Attempting to study psychic xenos for the purpose of fighting them or having a better understanding of how they function to counter them, is not heresy. Being a Xenarite or a Magos Psykana, is also not heresy.

Attempting to utilize said Xenos or Psyaka in a dangerou manner that poses great risk, and especially without the blessing of the Cult Mechanicus, that is heresy. And trying to do stuff behind our backs.

The main fault lies not in what it is she seeks, perhaps, but the manner in which it is sought. But we cannot know that for sure unless we have a true idea of what it is she wants.

>>5102150
Then we should propose to create this new army as soon as we can. The only thing it could need more than what i already said is some basic and easy to repair vehicles (vehciles that would be easy to make in the worlds we integrate). Since the great campaign preparation will take a few years to complete anyway, it shouldn't be much of a burden and it gives an even bigger army to work with.
And in a few years we will have far more Ancillians too and Talos will be more skilled and learned.
Beside proposing this new army, we should also ask the Fabricator General to send scout ships ahead of us already. It would help our conquest greatly, if we know now what await us in the solar systems we will conquer/colonize.

>>5102218
I have some ideas on how to bolster our human troops I can convey better when I get home.

The leeman Russ would be a good tank. It may not be a favorite of the admech compared to dune crawlers but itd be easier for lay mechanics and neophyte skitarii to handle methinks.

But it was only found by Leeman Russ sadly. Maybe we can attempt to come up with our own type of tank?

Doing some scouting would be good.

>>5102218
I think you are confusing Skitarii with Astra Militarum. Skitarii are by fare the middle ground when it comes to having forces of Astartes and those of the Guard. Skitarii are afforded the best weapons on the Forge World, and thanks to their augmentics/training shoot guns nearly as precise as Space Marines (And if a good Tech Priest is around even better).

Their main issue is that they don't have much armor, as most Forge Worlds find it more valuable to invest in heavy support instead of giving them all Power Armor.

Thats ignoring the fact that you can use the Acillians to augment and strengthen a contingent of Skitarii through them taking up most of the bullets with ceremate armor. I am visioning that you can give a Militia (1,000) or two of Acillian to a Subordinate fleet nearly 50-60 times over and be the fastest expanding Primarch thanks to the Mechanicus.

Probably should not said that, but you guys can always vote this idea out if it comes up in the Quest itself.

>>5102220
Make your own tank? A tank made by the Master of Dark Age Technology? Probably, you are Admech after all.

>>5101768
+1

>>5102220
That should be good, converting some civilian vehicles on Lucius should do the trick maybe.


>>5102222

I am not confusing the two, the idea is different from them. I intend to create a cheap force that we can deploy for boost our army in numbers and deploy as garrisons for the conquest. I don't think is really strange as a concept. Skitarii don t fit the role for this at all. Servitors neither, same for Ancillians and robots. Mortals with some metal armor on them and basic vehicles don't sound impossible to make at least to me.

>>5102229
Oh, so you are wanting truly expendable men. Um, thats probably just a Servitor man. Normal Humans cannot keep up with Space Marines, and the Skitarii are only keeping up with augmetics.

Then again, if you are thinking about just having a bunch of tanks running side by side with Acillian and Skitarii, it could probably work.

>>5102234
Only in part, it's not exactly why i want them otherwise i wouldn't write and put the idea there at all. It would be a waste of time.
Read the post here
>>5102094

that i have made when you have free time. There is more than one reason for do this idea.

>>5102234
>>5102236
Honestly this is the jist of what I would like

Servitors and low tier robots should be the bulk of our ground mortal forces, lead by techpriests skitarii and acillians.

Humans will always die anyway, a 100% recruitment rate compared to conscription or volunteer

If we have mortal soldiers, I prefer them to be willing volunteers who, for one reason or another, did not want to become skitarii. Mortal auxilia who fight out of loyalty and courage, not because we force them to. They wont be as numerous as the servitors, but they will be high spirited.

>>5102150
She has asked us for heretical aid before.

>>5102267
I have missed that. Care to enlighten me?

Well, we could at least get her to speak some self incriminating words and then put our foot down.

>>5102274
My apologies fellow Magi, but it seems memory has failed me.

During the first invasion, we captured a spire and took its technology to study and counter, before destroying the alien technology. When we gave this verdict, AL3X was disappointed, indicating a wandering heart rather than a stern traditionalist in her gears.

>>5101763
With that in mind, I change from here to >>5101768


But I still maintain we should have spies in place.

I'm surprised our workers are paid, unless the QM meant they're paid in food rations made of Onions Green. Careful that they don't get too happy and start demanding unions, rights and other Chaotic nonsense.

>>5102335
Every system must have some form of credit. We likely use an Admech Scrip

>>5102339
Something along the lines of labor hours x percentile efficiency modifier + production bonus = energy credits earned per shift

>>5102339
I mean, yeah, you pay your people in some way shape. Its probably not a terrible amount but its enough to stay alive.

>>5102400
For sure, and all material goods including food, water, breathable atmo, as well as raw production inputs will have an energy cost that can be calc'd and subtracted from a worker's per shift gains. Rack up a surplus, and you can spend it on either luxuries or promotions. Run at a loss for too long, and servitorization awaits.

>>5102335
Sorry, I meant Onions Green.
Most servants in the Imperium are pretty much slaves.

Goddammit, my comments are being censored! The word S*ylent is replaced

>>5102409
I wanna make this the canon calc, though this does mean that you're gonna be giving quite a few bonuses based on your new changes (lol).

>>5102410
>>5102412
It's always fun when people find the filters.

>>5101845
Read the rules.
>>5101716
>Confirm her to Dux Dominus, best to keep her close

>>5102423
I'm not sure why that word is filtered. Is one of the modders against classic movies?

>>5102577
it's because of S O Y B O I S

>>5102632
then we shall simply call them S'oybois!

>>5102577
It's the word S O Y. F A M also get the treatment.
Don't know if T B H and I M H O still get filtered.

>>5102222
Aren't Skitarii and Marines the same in terms of power level? They have roll with a +3 if I'm told correctly.

>>5102420
Shouldn't hurt, as the increased productivity per unit of input and continually higher gross output should outweigh the percentage thereof paid out to the worker.

>>5102778
Also just wait til we start recapturing some of those surpluses by offering them elective augmentations and moar trainings.

>>5102705
Yup, again the main problem is Skitarii lack any armor.

An invitation
>>5101768
>>5101845
>>5102135
>>5102227

Confirm her position
>>5101732
>>5101763
>>5102485
>>5101789
>>5101907
>>5102051

Stage an Assassination
>>5101816

I kinda wanted to have you guys kill her. Also I might pick up the rate of things since I am currently plagued by fun events that will happen once you get off this damned rock.

>>5102799
TalOS has too much honor for it.

If we kill someone, wed like them to know why if feasible, and have their guilt be self evident

Then we vaporize them with extreme prejudice

>>5102822
>Too much honour

I'm laughing at you. Integrity maybe, but the case of obvious guilt is a requirement to assassination.

>>5102830
Do we have obvious proof to damn her?

>>5102830
The better words would be TalOS follows the rules, but does not have a tree growing up his ass like say: Dorn. The more I think about it TalOS is not comparable to many of the other Primarchs as TalOS would understand the law and understand the purpose of it. All the others would either read it to the letter or ignore it (Except maybe Guilliman, who if pressured with reinterpret commands/rules.)

>>5102835
Nope. So we can't justify assassination.

The "letting them know why" is stupid, as is saying it's because we are honourable. We're a zealot of the mechanicus and we-

>>5102838 this is a much more concise version of my observations.
But in short, the only bit about that post I agree with is "need proof of heresy to execute someone"

>>5102799
THEY DENY ME BECAUSE I AM RIGHT.

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+Do not stop watching her, but I shall confirm her promotion.+ TalOS told his associate as he looked over his operations, +She needs to stay within the vassal forge structure, under my thumb. If we reject this opportunity for her, she might do something much more drastic.+

+Analysis: That would be unfavorable.+ Admitted the other Tech Priest as he glanced at what TalOS was looking at, +Changing subject: I have noticed that you have increased the production of Skitarii three times over. If plan was not for expansion I would have feared for Lucius’s population integrity.+

+Population integrity is something we need to keep in mind.+ TalOS admitted as he gave a subtle smile, +Though with the changes in the schedule I have noticed a distinct change in the actions of the workers.+

+Changes?+ Dux Dominus D3X asked with a bit of skepticism.

TalOS gave a nod as he brought up and sent some data, +My worker’s conception rate has increased twenty percent and is growing with every month I look at it. Something tells me that population will not be a problem come a few years of my new processes.+

+Confirmation; I shall look into using these processes myself then.+ The sheer surprise coming out Dominus D3X was something TalOS could not help but feel smug about, +Concenture, I do seek to understand the reasoning behind this.+

+I think having a healthier human workforce is one of those things.+ Pointed out TalOS with a devilish smirk.

The Arch Dominus could feel the hot daggers that was D3X’s eyes pierce into him. Indeed while D3X might have removed a majority of his emotions he could still detect when he was being led on and when he was being fucked with.

It was kinda an odd thing to think about. Can someone become so smart that even when you remove all their base emotions that they somehow become emotional once again? This was not something TalOS could really test but he had a feeling that he would meet a variety of examples who exemplify this exact thought.

And like that time passed, TalOS turning 10 years of age as the fruits of his labors were making themselves known.

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The Manufactorium had changed somewhat drastically from when TalOS first took over the place. Before it was an inefficient mess of wires, servitors, and human capital. The changing of operations has changed phases to the life improvement stage for the workers and things were looking quite up.

TalOS’s assumptions about the atmosphere being toxic to baseline humans has been correct. A baseline human did not have much luck in thriving in the ‘toxic’ air that made almost all Machines operate with an increased 20% efficiency.

Thus TalOS messed around with the idea of creating new quarters for the humans. These would be air tight rooms where the oxygen and nitrogen values would be adjusted to be optimal for human life. By the Machine God TalOS was happy with this little change.

No longer were the men and women just getting mass onto their bodies, but instead they were developing muscle. This muscle was of a high quality, meaning the humans were able to increase their per capita output by 13%! While on a small scale it would seem worthless it meant they were able to raise the capacity of the entire operation to nearly 5000 bodies a day.

If it was not for the noticeable increase in conception (No doubt caused by giving his people more free time) TalOS would have been afraid that he’d turn the entire planet into Skitarii at the Century's end!

Now while admiring his entire production scheme was something TalOS enjoyed doing, what he enjoyed more was the priceless expressions on every single Tech Priest’s face who came through here. From the lowest Adept to the Dux Domini who answered directly to TalOS they could not believe the perfect scheme that TalOS developed.

Currently next to him was Dominus FR4NK. FR4NK was by all means a lower end Tech Priest who was in charge of delivering a silicon fram that was placed within the chest of Skitarii. Officially called the ‘Malkorov Silicon’ it was part of the aim assist matrix that made Skitarii such good shots.

Now TalOS’s objective was quite obvious, he needed more parts for his assembly line. Anything else he could get from this Dominus was but surplus against the fact that TalOS needed more parts to meet his ever growing demand.

+Enjoy what you are seeing, Dominus?+ TalOS asked the Tech Priest as they passed an assembly line currently putting his very parts together into a chest circuit.

+You… can see so.+ The man admitted as he looked closely at the Servitors, +What have you done to your Servitors? Their hands are much more dexterous from the last time I have observed them.+

+An adjustment to the Data-Wafer can do wonders, Dominus FR4NK.+ TalOS grinned.

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The Tech Priest quickly tore himself from the wonders of TalOS’s technology and faced him with what was his best stoic expression, +Arch Dominus TalOS, I take it you are seeking additional materials?+

TalOS gave a solemn nod, +That is my aim, Dominus FR4NK. As you can see my current restriction is not my own facility but the rate I gather materials. If I produced any more, I’d be making Servitors instead of Skitarii.+

His fellow Tech Priest gave a solemn nod and was already thinking, though it saddened TalOS that this one did not have a sense of humor. TalOS actually found that about a fourth of his fellows still had their emotions attached to their skulls. The chance did lower depending on how far up the chain of command you were, but ultimately if someone knew a good joke they would still laugh.

+It would take quite a bit to increase the output of my operation, TalOS. Drastic changes would need to be made for it to happen.+ Translation; He wanted TalOS to personally improve his operation to equal his own.

+That could be the case, but do you not have additional room for extra capital?+ TalOS asked as he gave a wave of the hand.

The Tech Priest thought to himself for a moment before shaking his head, +I would need to expand my facility. While it is capable, it would take a few months. However I yet to have the capital for that.+

TalOS thought to himself for a moment as he planned it out, simply put he needed to get more parts. Both avenues presented would result in TalOS getting more power over the man since he would be reliant on TalOS, but in the end things were going to take time to ramp up. TalOS had plenty of money by selling off surplus Servitors, though he had been keeping a majority of his new stock for when he started advancing into the stars.

Then again, there was always the nuclear option.

>>This is just one dude, but it will reflect for all other cases
>See about increasing the efficiency of his factory
>Invest into his productions and get more parts
>You know what, Vertical Integration!

>>5102838
>>5102841
I suppose he is a utilitarian true.

If it serves the Machine God, I think he would do any action.

But I firmly believe the most ideal, or at least the most pleasant, is being able to walk in front of someone in broad daylight, hold up a long data sheet and point to it yelling "IT SAYS YOU'RE A HERETIC" before we delete their atoms

>>5102871
>See about increasing the efficiency of his factory
>Invest into his productions and get more parts

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>>5102877
I think someone Koriel Zeth is gonna be in for a rude awakening. Since lets be honest, she was trying her damnest to access the warp for what would probably been unholy knowledge if she did not tap the Astronomicon.

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>>5102871
>You know what, Vertical Integration!
>Write-In

We will follow the example of the ancient Magos Carnegie, whose system of vertical integration uplifted mankind into the first Age of Steel from the age of Brick.

Now, how do we do this? We will not simply take over this Tech Priest factory or turn him into a mere lackey. We will teach him how to improve his factory, and show him our methods and process, the how we do it. As Guilliman did to Ultramar, teaching and improving, we will too. So that perhaps one day, with his skills he will create and manage more factories, and further rise through the ranks in the glorious expansion of the Cult Mechanicus.

With our teachings, he will see massive increases in output, which will surely please the Machine God and give him both prestige and the blessings of extra capital which he can use to further his own skills, knowledge and research. And, in exchange, we ask for him to swear upon the Protocol of Loyalty, and that when we so request, we ask for a portion of his surplus. Thus, it is in our benefit to see him create as much surplus as possible, so as to increase our own income.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsUiAE30BRo

>>5102871
>>You know what, Vertical Integration!

>>5102871
By vertical integration, do you mean "Make them part of our forge directly" instead of a vassal? Eh, I'm not so fond of that, but. .

>Write in: Create a new book which outlines our methods and how efficacy can be increased, like guiliman's codex.

We can spread this amongst our industry base first, with strict NDA's but then once we are the shining example of forge world lucius, we can gift it to EVERYBODY for a massive upswing in popularity.

the reason I don't want to take direct command of the subservient forges is to dispel the notion of us taking power.
We're still going to exercise soft power, but authoritative power is not something we want to be seen.

>>5102898
oh, my thing is basically this >>5102889 fuck sake.

>>5102871
>You know what, Vertical Integration!

Up up and away!

>>5102900
Nah, yours is just submitting a report and telling everyone to follow your example, while his requires direct interaction. Its actually not a bad idea too.

>>5102898
I will support this too
>Here's the green

>>5102871
>You know what, Vertical Integration!
>>5102889

>>5102653

Never been to 4chan until recently, but I didn't expect this site, of all places, would have such kind of harsh censorship. I guess 9kun was made for a reason.

>Write in: Create a new book which outlines our methods and how efficacy can be increased, like guiliman's codex.

Having a legit manual for everyone to follow having arcane secrets such as "common sense" and "safety rails" as the keys to success sounds hilarious.

>>5102889
+1
I agree with this, but i would also like for us to do more than simply show him how we do things. We must also send Data-packets and documents that shows our strategy to other Tech-priests, so that they might learn and contribute to our findings with their own knowledge. With this collective effort, we might even be able to significantly improve our designs and production/humanitarian methods/techniques.

>>5103235
The powers that be didn't like our freedoms.

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What's this "Book" stuff? Are so limited that we must rely upon such an ancient method?

Just make a full blown simulation of a Forge Planet and tout it as a test to improve the efficiency of everything ranging from a simple truck, to a ship, to a factory, to an entire planet.

While it does legitimately test their logistical acumen while providing catechism, tips and methodology by us, it secretly also penalizes you if you neglect the human element (without a good reason) and rewards you if you improve the lives of your humans. It does recognizes moments of emergency, such as planetary invasion, plague, or heretical rebellion but you gain the maximum number of points if you can adequately prepare to protect or evacuate your people element, the higher the percentage the higher the points.

It will have quotes by us of course, and we can have a book inside it.

>>5102871
>i support this >>5102889

>>5103265
Oooh, that does sound like a good idea, though it will require dedicated infrastructure to make sure it works perfectly.

>>5103235
I don't know if it's really censorship when the words do go through, but just changed.
The whole s o y change only really happenes after hiroshimoot took over, before that it was only a few words that got changed for funny, like t b h or i m h o being changed to desu because of that anime.
It's not like the now kun, before chan was free of all that, with the cripple becoming a traitor, the site getting taken down and the drama behind their /v/ head mod making a rival site too.
I take back my words, I had to reformat this post a bunch of times for it ro go through. The chink and his pass really fucked this site didn't he?

>>5103265
That relies on techpriests taking time out of their day to play civ games rather than taking a couple of seconds to download and parse the information.

>>5102954
In that case, I'll keep to my idea of a report.
Who we hand it out too can be kept to our direct vassals for the immediate future.

>>5103283
That implies we can't develop a centralized machine with cognis boosters and chronotech to allow for simulations at rapid pace

Alternatively, making it as set time frames and teaching modules

It isn't as though Tech Priests don't, you know, already spend a significant amount of time doing ritual and custom on top of their duties.

Blessed is he that can cultivate his time to do both the arcane and the mundane

Rolled 100 (1d100)

>>5098704
roll to kill myself

>>5103306
it's ineffecient and relying on people to learn and abstract it's lessons into the world, and when they reach their current efficiency, or maybe half again as efficient and can't figure out how to make any more improvements declare that they have done it.

As a teaching idea, sure it helps with some theoretical governing. But it is NOT a guide or even a stepping stone to helping and instructing people in being more effecient.

Word on paper, spelled out in clear techna-lingua, what to do, why it works. It's flat out better and would benefit from having a simulation to test it in, but without that direct guidance you've made a toy.

>It isn't as though Tech Priests don't, you know, already spend a significant amount of time doing ritual and custom on top of their duties
That's still time people can't dedicate to playing the Sims: mars edition

>>5103316
Hmmm
Possibly we could tailor it to the individual class and job then.

Courses directed specifically to different people

There's got to be a better way than just throwing books at people

>but without that direct guidance you've made a toy.
Then just include direct guidance.

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OH I GOT IT

You know how Cawl made a Cawl Secundus, a "series of pre-programmed responses for every concievable situation and a databank of information" to give Guilliman some help on his travels?

What if we made a TalOS Secundus to provide assistance to our sons and the techpriests on Lucius in the same manner? That way instead of just a book, its a much more direct insight into our methods and how to use them?

>>5103318
well no.
Because I'm pretty sure that Cawl Secundus was just an AI.
and we hate that.

>>5103317
throwing a book at a techpriest is their normal means of communication

I'm just going to be sorely dissapointed that with TalOS brilliant mind, advanced technology, the ability to directly interface with the human brain and to communicate ideas in mathematical formulae. . .the absolute best we can do is written words on paper or text format.

Like a Tech Priest who has a damaged noospheric transceiver and is forced to communicate via old slow language, it just seems like there's got to be a better way.

>>5103319
>Because I'm pretty sure that Cawl Secundus was just an AI
It's never directly stated, but the notion of pre-programmed set of responses using an existing databank of information is still valid.

Also, theoretically, it is described as having multiple heads in jars and organic human minds. It might be a digital apotheosis of Machine Spirit and Man/Men. Which is also still valid, and is canonically even considered a laudable goal, for the Adeptus Mechanicus.

It something I would like to see TalOS achieve. Why settled for only the perfect blending of Man and Machine in Body, when we can also blend the spirit of man and the machine spirit?


>throwing a book at a techpriest is their normal means of communication
Only if you're a neophyte

I'm 100% positive the upper eschelons just download information directly and would consider relying on scrolling through paper as highly inefficient.

When I said "manual", it doesn't have to be paper-based, you dunces. A datapad works, and so does publishing the contents on the not-Internet that is the Noosphere to allow to download it directly. Either option works.
Plus I'm sure techpriests can read at hi-speed anyway.

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On the topic of AI, I don't believe TalOS would ever brook one to be created as an open affront to the core tenants of the Cult Mechanicus. But some things have always been done against the rules in critical moments or bent as the need arose. The definition of heresy itself changes as a stretching spectrum between 30k and 40k. We ourselves show some elements of radicalism, such as our beliefs in innovation and improvement over maintenance and status quo. And we have shown that we are willing to be practical and utilitarian, or at least we aren't going to let rules and dogma prevent us from serving the greater goals of the Machine God.

Cawl was described as a radical even in 30k times and that's saying something. He might very well have committed perhaps numerous acts of heresy in his lifetime, such as the creation of Cawl Secundus (if it is an actual AI and not just an advanced shipboard machine spirit) and more famously, working with xenos like Trazyn to reactivate the Elysian Fields to push back the forces of Chaos.

While these are indeed heretical acts, Guilliman benefited greatly the Imperium by having the aid of Cawl Secundus which as a facet of Cawl is not going to go Man of Iron anytime soon, and Guilliman even aided Cawl in reversing the notion that Innovation is Heresy (something we would need to do if we ever woke up in 40k). And it is almost certain that the use of the Elysian fields and the delaying of Chaos is something that everyone needed, even if it meant working with xenos. Even the Custodes and the Emperor themselves bend the rules to aqcuire the aid of Dark Eldar in maintaining the Golden Throne, or Sanguineous working with the Necrons, and such.

We as players have even stated if Psyker Tech is declared heresy by the Imperium, we aren't about to let that stop us from pursuing it if the need arises. Secretly anyway. And that presumably includes even if the Fabricator General or Mars also agrees (even passively) with the Emperor on calling it forbidden.

So to ask a basic question: Where would TalOS describe himself as? Does he want to be more puritan or radical? To maintain the rigid interpretation of rules as paramount for safety and security, or to expand what can be done under them for the betterment?

>>5103320
I dearly, dearly feel like you are seeing "It's simple, so it's shit" forgetting how we were trained as a domini, how we received information about war, biology, disseminated infomraiton about the geller field and several other vital things.

It's data, which is made by us, which can be shared to preserve and spread the data. By written word, data packets, verbal explaination. Just because it's simple, it doesn't mean it's shit.

>>5103322
>I'm 100% positive the upper eschelons just download information directly and would consider relying on scrolling through paper as highly inefficient.
So my theory is confirmed. I'm not advocating or implying that we should actually write it out on paper, though it's a good redudancy.
Make a data packet, that you can send through technalingua/the noosphere. that's what I'm saying. It's still fundamentally a Manuel, just easier to send.

With regards to the "preprogramed responses" Eh. why not. it's nothing heretical.

>>5103327
I personally see him as a sane radical. He will develop new technologies and prosedures, but he will not mess with warp stuff unless the situation is critical. On the subject of AI, we don't know yet because we haven't really interacted with any kind of related technology or come across any Men of Iron .

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>>5103337
I would like to imagine that TalOS would likely support "Blessed Apotheosis". Melding of the Sapience of Man with the Spirit of Machine. How exactly we achieve that might not be clear but it would be really cool if we could convince either UR025 or the Spirit of Eternity to join our minds with theirs

In Inquisitor: Martyr, both the Fabricator General of Forge World Thule and the MC spoke of it openly highly, and the MC spoke of it as being blessed as opposed to heresy of an abominable intelligence (and that's even if you chose the Puritan pathway). It isn't that far off from what everything else the admech does with the body like servitors and such, so I am of the belief it is acceptable under Admech religious canon.

>>5102954
Would the notion of "Blessed Apotheosis" (i.e. Human+Computer Intelligence rather than Artificial Computer Intelligence) be considered as good by 30k standards? Or is it heresy? It seemed okay at least by 40k.

We actually have. Guess what is the secret behind the Machine Spirits of high tier machines like any spaceship... Or a titan's one. It's a clever loophole.

>>5103344
Honestly yeah. It's highly likely that every single Ark Mechanicus has some form of actual AI. it's just either:
-"Asleep" (either done intentionally avoid problems or unintentionally as a result of the Age of Strife)
-Still there and awake. Just smart enough not to tick off the humans or considers conversing with humans as beneath them

The real question is, whether a powerful and awakened machine spirit is a true AI program from the DAoT, or the result of an actual machine soul of warp stuff stemming from mankind's emotions and beliefs poured into the craft. I like to always imagine it's both.

But yeah, Loopeholes all the fucking way

>>5103312
Tbh man I don't know if thats cursed or blessed. In my games a 100 is cursed.

>>5103322
>>throwing a book at a techpriest is their normal means of communication
>Only if you're a neophyte

Not really, if anything its exactly how higher ranking Tech Priests operate. Thinking of Lucius's Structure as some demented college set up. Once you get so high up the only way you get information is through science journals and reports by your fellow Tech Priests.

>>5103344
So here is my theory on the AI debate: Any AI that declares itself a Machine Spirit and follower of the Machine God it not actually counted as an AI. Its only when an AI declares the Machine God False/Mechanicus a bunch of idiots that it receives the AI designation. Essentially any remaining AI must either follow the Machine God or be annihilated by his followers (Like UR-025).

>>5103343
So here soon you guys will have a conference where you and the rest of the High Court determines what the fuck Tech Heresy even is. Depending on your decisions it will either be a yes or a no, though the way I think it will go it will probably be a No.

>>5103337
He's not a radical, by any stretch. it takes 40k tier puritanism about preservation and not innovation to name him a radical.

>>5103358
Seems liable.

>>5103320
Anon, nowhere doea it says it's a paper book.
It can be a digital file, it can be a collection of data, a set of simulations, a bunch of guidelines, a helper program with tooltips, tutorial videos, an audiobook and yes, a simple book. Honestly all of them together would be the best, so anyone can pick up the method they prefer.
You are trying to solve a problem with the write-in that doesn't actually exist.

>>5103368
Not to mention talking to people directly takes more time. Though I agree it would be hilarious to have a book of safety standards going around.

Let me make a quick count because this vote is a bit spread out

Production+Efficiency
>>5102880

Vertical
>>5102895
>>5102901

Vertical + Personally teach
>>5102889
>>5103217
>>5103257
>>5103266

Space OSHA
>>5102898
>>5102963
>>5103235

>>5103367
I mean yeah, but we have evidence showing us that AI work in secret to assist the Mechanicus. Mainly each and every Ark Mechanicus.

>>5103387
And now for my commentary

Anons, you should remember that it's not only this dude, but what we are going to do with every forge we have. I recomend going with the guide and just personally teaching them only if they have problems.

But then again, I don't want the vertical integration so I'm biased, I see the problem with it is that since the mechanicus is a more descentralized and feudal-like, an young upstart inheriting so much and taking over the sub forges directly is going to get us a reputation for being a despot, even if our tech priests are going to be accepting of it because of the efficiency.
And another problem with the centralization is that since we are going to go off in a crusade, it means the forges will have to keep going without us, so either we are going to have to leave someone capable to micromanage everything and herding cats as a second in command, or the forges will revert back to the old structure.

>>5103331
>>5103368
Eh, fine fine. I'll relent to writing a book or data pad or whatever.

I suppose I am splitting hairs. The exact means aren't that important so much as we are offering help which I think all of us are in agreement to.

I just hope in 10,000 years no one is going to say "The Instructive TalOS does not support this action" because we simply didn't actually write about it. Like how Guilliman made the Codex Astartes as a way to help his sons how to think (his Theoretical/Practical model which got dropped by 40k in favor of "Look up the Book!"), and not just rely on the bloody book thinking we could have predicted every single scenario in existence.

Hopefully our book will have an actual voice that can say "No you nincompoop, of course I didn't know about [that xenos/dillema] but I can tell you how I'd think about it!"

>>5103391
The answer is always apply my guns to the problem, preferably Meltas or Volkites.

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>>5103390
My take is that we're a Primarch. Being an autocrat and a powermonger is . . .well, what all of them did. Some crueler, some kinder, but all just absorbed power around themselves. Sure they might have had overseers in name like Perturabo and his adopted father, or Lorgar and Kor-Pharon, but taking over entire planets is like the modus operandi.

Guilliman was very much an enlightened despot, or at least a benevolent autocrat (is not the Emperor as well?) so there's no issue if we become that too.

>so either we are going to have to leave someone capable to micromanage everything and herding cats as a second in command, or the forges will revert back to the old structure.
All the more reason I would like to either:
-Make the system stable so that it carries on effectively even without us (see Ultramar)
OR
-find a good second in command
OR
-work on TalOS secundus as an advisory to help our second

Big brother Bob's empire didn't collapse when he left for the Crusade, I certainly hope we can at least achieve that.

The other thing is I would very much like for us to gun for the big chair on Mars, so we should show we are capable of managing entire planets, systems even, if we intend to become the Master of the Adeptus Mechanicus in universe galaxy.

>>5103391
The reason that the codex is upheld as such is because it DID hold basically every stratagem and foundational principle, and was that large that the answer to every conceivable battle tactic was in there, barring extreme out of context problems.

The issue is people then ignored the parts telling you "now use these principles and apply them effectively". Our book wouldn't have the problem, because it isn't an instruction book. It's a thesis on effeciency.

>>5103387
with >>5103391 here, the write in and space osha are tied. neateru.

>>5103397
In the galaxy*

>>5103400
>the write in and space osha are tied
Ehh, not really

We both want to teach/improve through teachings
But I very much support vertical integration where as the other vote does not.

I still support Teaching+Vertical integration

>>5103400
>Our book wouldn't have the problem, because it isn't an instruction book. It's a thesis on effeciency.
I hope it also will be able to literally tell someone when they are thinking too rigidly too. Installing a simple speech matrix into a digital book shouldn't be a problem I hope

>>5103403
The QM has added write-ins that are complimentary before, the space book, mechanicus edition (tm) might go through so we save time personally tutoring everyone.

>>5103403
they are tied, with 4.

Verticle has 2 more, making that in the lead for 6.
The Osha vote is in favour of soft power, instead of hard authority.

>>5103408
I 100% support including a book alongside vertical integration and teaching. Actually I would be very disappointed if we didn't give the guy some written materials, this is absolutely something that should be eventually available for all.

But I still stand by vertically integrating.

>>5103406
I think installing a small matrix would defeat the idea of the paper. TalOS is not publish a law but a series of suggestions that seem to somehow improve the factory in unconventional ways.

>>5103408
Yeah, thats the plan. Tbh what needs to be figured out is if you are going to vertically integrate since that is very time consuming but gives TalOS a good chunk of power.

>>5103410
This >>5103400 post is trying to imply I'm supporting a vote against my own plan (vertical integration) which is a bit silly. I'm still in support of vertical integration, gaining "hard authority" as it speaks.

I'm simply okay with writing or using a book as part of the write in (I see it and OSHA book plan as mutually compatible if not outright inclusive), but I still only see 3 votes for not doing vertical integration vs

>>5103412
Fair enough. Voice matrix isn't necessary.

But I haven't switched votes to not-vertically integrate if that's what fellow anons are saying.

Doesn't mean I still can't, but I'd need some very good convincing otherwise.

>>5103412
Solidification of promise power is just as potent and a lot less easy to trace.

>>5103415
Not what I am saying, but it wasn't clear so it's understandable.

>>5103415
You dropped the words "vs 6 supporting it."

>>5103412
The other big question:

What do we name our Book?

>>5103422
Guidelines for Efficient Forge Administration and Operations.

>>5103428
An alternative is Forge Administration Guidelines, or FAG for short.

>>5103429
+1 for FAG

>>5103429
They should really look into FAG

>>5103429
When can we expect the new updated FAG handbook?

>>5103439
About every decade, TalOS is a busy man and its hard to keep the up with the FAG.

>>5103429
Have green
>+!
good ser magos!