https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVYeJyZCwzELast time on Saiyan Awakening Quest!After a long and tough battle, the dreaded monster Lavos was finally destroyed, and in its destruction, the universe would never be the same! Because of Rettace's actions during the fight, the Chrono Trigger hatched into an unexpected ally, the time bird Kachi-Kachi. The birth of this ally caused an entirely separate history to sprout, where anything could happen. Later, after the celebrations, Rettace found out that his and his Saiyan comrade's home planet, Planet Vegeta had been destroyed... each native Saiyan reacted to this revelation in a different way. What were these strange powers that they each had, power which surpassed even that of a Super Saiyan?Find out now, on the next exciting episode of Saiyan Awakening Quest!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdiDfmoKH8MRettace's Scouter: https://pastebin.com/ympPXafURettace's Technique Page: https://pastebin.com/3spguE8fRettace's Equipment: https://pastebin.com/wnPMV1gfOther Character's Technique Page: https://pastebin.com/iBLyvPVGArchive: https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=WukongLast Time: >>5046393Leaping up to the sky in order to catch Parzlee before she could hit the ground, you sighed in exhaustion. That was one hell of a chase, even if you had been faster than Parzlee, it was still a massive adrenaline rush. Not to mention that you now knew just how powerful that you and your allies truly were. Could Khive also be holding a secret power within herself that surpassed the power of this transformation that you had attained? The power of a Super Saiyan... that's what you were right now. You had achieved the legend, you had become the Legendary Super Saiyan who was spoken of in myths, but... some legends were inferior to other legends, it seemed... of course, that power you had rejected back in the cabin... there was no legend that you knew of that aligned with whatever that power was. But... would that form have been enough for you to have been able to defeat Parzlee in a straight fight without relying on calming her down with Khive?Parzlee landed in your arms as you floated in the air waiting for her to drop all the way, her eyes flickered open slowly a few seconds after you caught her, and she looked up at you. "Oh... Rettace... so... that really all happened...? Huh?" She sounded lucid as she stared at you, she must've remained at least somewhat aware of what happened during her rampaging state. "I was... sort of hoping it was just a nightmare... Guess... Planet Vegeta really is gone, huh...?" She was far calmer now, the proximity to Khive seemed to have sapped her of all her rampaging anger, and with that anger, that power she had accessed was gone too, leaving her almost entirely out of energy.
"Yeah..." You confirmed her question. "But... we're strong enough to avenge our people, Parzlee. I won't allow the person who destroyed the Saiyan race to get away with his crimes." With the power you now had available to you, there was simply no way that Freeza was going to survive an encounter with you. Right now, you were one of the most powerful beings in the entire universe, and you were only going to get stronger! Or at least, you would... but thanks to Kachi-Kachi's help, you wouldn't be growing your base level of strength for a while yet... a whole year of training taken forward in time meant that you'd need to catch up on training in order to right the difference."I... know." With that, Parzlee fell unconscious once again, and you descended back towards the ground leaving you in the now open topped cabin with the two sleeping sisters. "What a mess." You shook your head, and three Ki Signatures suddenly appeared out of nowhere, Magus, Mayonne and Euca appearing through some form of teleportation, it looked like. Good to know that your allies weren't too far behind.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB905mfFVHs"Well, considering what could have happened, I'd say that things went quite well here." Magus gave his assessment of the situation, and you couldn't argue with him. "I was planning on assisting you with Mayonne and Euca here, but it was far too difficult to keep up with the two of you even though I was teleporting ahead of where you were racing towards. Euca filled me in on what happened while we tried to catch up. Blonde hair... black and red aura... massive power spikes... you Saiyans are an interesting bunch." Magus looked around the destroyed cabin, noticing that the roof was entirely gone and raising an eyebrow. "Good thing you managed to calm her down, I was planning on putting her to sleep with one of my spells, but... there was a good chance it would've ended up failing." So that was his plan? Made sense, though he'd have had to hit her with the magic for anything to happen in the first place, and that's quite difficult when somebody is quite literally hundreds of times faster than you.
"Well, I'm glad you came anyway." You nodded. Now that Magus was here with Mayonne and Euca, getting Khive and Parzlee some place better to rest in than this now destroyed little cabin would be far easier. You didn't want to disturb either of them too much, and trying to lift both of them at once would be difficult... unless... you recalled lifting the ship last night when you prevented it from crashing. In order to properly distribute the weight of the ship on you so that you didn't just crash straight through the thing when you tried to catch it, you formed a solid disk of your own Ki in order to catch it! So... what if you did the same thing here, on a smaller scale? Two smaller disks of Ki to accommodate both Khive and Parzlee laying down comfortably instead of having to move them about physically yourself? You didn't need Magus or the others to help at all!Magus simply nodded in return to your appreciative gesture, but it was surprisingly Mayonne who came forwards now. "Uh... Magus... he might not be aware of this, considering he's not a real demon like I am... but I recognized that power... just a little." "You did, Mayonne?" Mayonne's face brightened up a little upon you referring to them by their true name instead of the derogatory nickname you had forced upon them because you considered them annoying at the time."That's right... it felt... similar to the power that seeps into every corner of the Demon Realm... the power of the imprisoned originator of demons.""The... originator of demons?"
"Right... old demon legends speak of a great war in the heavens that happened millions of years ago, a war between the gods over the fate of the multiverse. A split between those gods who wanted to remain a non-interventionist guiding force, and those who were tired of the mistakes of mortals, and wished to directly take positions of leadership over them." Mayonne began to explain. "The leader of the interventionist faction grew more and more desperate, and soon found himself with very few allies when the other gods began to realize that his true motive wasn't the betterment of the multiverse for the sake of mortals and that his only goal was to amass power for himself, instead. But by then it was too late... their leader had already cast a ritual to sacrifice all of his divine allies to create a new reality... a corrupted reality that exists below this layer of reality. Makai... the Demon Realm, a realm over which he had sole dominion as the Dark King. The Makai was filled with life drawn in from the true reality and corrupted by the dark power of the Makai." Mayonne shook his head before continuing. "The remaining gods were outraged by this, and they each called upon their God of Destruction to seal the Dark King... a twelve layered seal that was utterly impossible even for somebody of the Dark King's power to break... but... his power can still be felt seeping through the Demon Realm every now and then... that power... is what feels similar to the energy that Parzlee was giving off.. not entirely the same... but similar." The power of the Dark King...? But what does that have to with Parzlee? Magus looked slightly annoyed by something, and turned towards his ex-general "Mayonne... you never told me this story before, why?" It was a reasonable question for him to ask, why did Mayonne wait to only tell you this story?"Because I didn't really want you to do something stupid like try to unleash the Dark King to destroy Lavos. It was bad enough when you tried summoning Lavos without an actual definitive way to stop it." Mayonne's answer was quick and to the point, and Magus crossed his arms and turned away, speechless and unable to prove Mayonne wrong at all.
"Well... thanks for telling me what you know about Parzlee's energy, Mayonne." You thanked the demon, and got to thinking... was the Evil Saiyan of your race's ancient mythology somehow connected to this Dark King too? No... there was no telling for certain right now, you just needed more information. "But we should probably get these two to the others now." You stated with certainty as you started trying to track Glenn's Ki signature, as the strongest of your allies, his would be the easiest to find... of course, you found him in no time at all, and it appeared that they were all at the castle... for some reason. They must've hurried there in order to gather Crono and Marle in case things ended up going south... admittedly, Marle was an excellent healer, so you would've been able to rely on her healing you even if seeing Khive didn't snap Parzlee out of it and things turned into a proper battle... fortunately, it didn't come to that."No problem, Rettace!" Mayonne smiled at you and gave you a thumbs up while you got to work on trying to do what you did last night with your Ki and created two disks of energy to place both Khive and Parzlee on... and then you realized that there was really no point in making two individual disks, so you focused on creating a single large disk underneath everyone, projecting the Ki from the base of your feet and causing a giant disk to appear underneath everyone in the cabin. "W-woah!?" Mayonne nearly fell flat on his back as Euca and Magus were also caught off guard by the platform of energy you had created, it was about 5 meters in diameter, more than large enough to accommodate everyone as it took to the sky."Neat trick, boss." Euca was quick to regain her senses, and it didn't take long for her to decide to sit with her legs hanging off the side of the disk as you brought it towards the castle. You weren't moving even close to as fast as you'd be able to go if you flew, but it's not like you were really in that much of a hurry anymore, and you had more than enough energy to keep this technique up for hours thanks to Kachi-Kachi increasing your power. "So... that golden hair... what was that all about...? It reminded me of what happened back against Lavos, too." You had yet to explain your part of the story, so you crossed your arms and began an explanation as you flew everyone to the castle."I think it's something that our people, the Saiyans spoke of in legends. It's a state called a Super Saiyan... they're meant to be something like an unstoppable warrior that can defeat anything they come across... but it turns out that when you pit legends against legends... one legend is going to come out on top... and that was what Parzlee was... from a legend even more ancient than the Super Saiyan... but... thanks to Kachi-Kachi, I was strong enough to stop her with the power of a Super Saiyan."
"A Super Saiyan...? Do you think that I can reach that form...? Even though I'm only half-Saiyan?" Euca sounded hopeful that she too would be able to reach the state you had attained, and you didn't know if she could on account of her genetic make-up."I don't know. You might be able to, but... then again, you might not... I'll try my best to train you into being able to do it as well, but... even I'm not all that familiar with the transformation right now... at a push I'd be able to force myself to enter that state again, but... it's gonna be tough teaching somebody else to access that power." It was like a strange tingling that suffused your entire body, it couldn't be described as a single feeling, really."Thanks, Rettace." Euca sighed. "It's funny... before trying to fight Parzlee in that state... I was confident in my power. I thought I was strong enough to deal with anything... but... compared to you and Parzlee back then, even my best wasn't even close to good enough. I felt like an ant being swept away by a tsunami." It wasn't wrong for her to think that, during your battle against Parzlee, it was true that both of you were hundreds of times more powerful than she was, but you couldn't leave it at that."Power isn't everything, Euca." You were quick to reply. "In many cases, a more powerful opponent can be defeated through quick thinking or a greater technique. Even if you are more powerful than your opponent, you should always prioritize fighting with skill and strategy over just running in and trying to crush them." You took a moment to stop talking and pointed to your skull. "Your brain is your most dangerous weapon in a fight, you shouldn't forget that. You've got the makings of a talented warrior, Euca... so hone that talent. You managed to get a grip on your own power despite having both of your horns out, it's clear to me that your true worth as a fighter doesn't lie in going berserk and attacking indiscriminately." You reassured the girl, and she nodded with determination."Right! I'll endeavor to be more like you from now on, Rettace!" Wait... no that wasn't what you were...! you know what? Never mind, if she feels like emulating you will be good for her own strength, you aren't about to stop her. It'll be better than what she currently does in battles."Looks like we're here." Magus crossed his arms as you soared over the forest and approached the castle. Even from here you could see the obviously startled guards on the wall pointing at you as you approached, clearly it was like nothing they had ever seen in their life. Setting the disk down in the courtyard, you were quick to be approached by the guards, and their reaction was... less than helpful.
"My god! He's... he's defeated the Hero of Guardia... and... is that a demon!?" One of the guards drew his sword at you, and you sighed. "Men... defend the castle! Stop the intruder!" A group of six men charged you with blades... their Power Levels were... totally non-threatening.>>What will Rettace do?>Let them destroy their swords on your body, then knock them out. >Use a Kiai to knock out the guards and go find Schala and the others.>Knock out each of the guards with a chop to the neck and move on.>Ask Magus if he can use his magic to deal with the guards.>Ask Mayonne if he can use his magic to deal with the guards.>Other(Write-in)
>>5086626>Move faster than they can blink and take away their weapons, then tell them that you're Chrono and Marlee's friend, and the Demon is also an ally, "so calm down already, you damn weaklings."
>>5086626>Use a Kiai to knock out the guards and go find Schala and the others.Not worth our time to try reasoning with them.
>>5086626>Let them destroy their swords on your body, then knock them out.
>>5086626>Knock them out, find the others.>Mayonne, adopt a more settling guise if you can.We dont have time for these Weaklings.
>>5086626>>Knock out each of the guards with a chop to the neck and move on.I hope they charge single file.
>>5086679SupportAlso glad that Euca is getting an inkling of an idea that throwing wild punches and having a bigger number isn't the way to go. Hopefully she'll start to try and use her head more, now that we've reached the super saiyan event horizon so soon
Calling the vote in 10 minutes, and here's a little sprite of Rettace in Chrono Trigger's artstyle
>>5086626>>Ask Mayonne if he can use his magic to deal with the guards.
You took a long deep breath as you stared at the guards rushing forwards to meet you in battle, and you just shook your head as you used a tiny amount of of power to generate a Kiai in order to blow them away, causing all six of the guards to crash against the wall of the courtyard in a comically loud display. You could still sense their pitifully low Ki signatures though, so they weren't dead... it probably wasn't fair to talk like that about people with no knowledge of Ki though... it wasn't exactly fair on them, Crono's group, and Glenn especially, had shown you just how powerful that humans could become if they did have knowledge of such concepts... you'd be able to defeat Glenn now thanks to your newfound transformation and your boosted strength on Kachi-Kachi's part... but that didn't mean his level of strength wasn't extraordinary all the same."Was that really necessary?" Euca asked with a smirk, knowing the irony of the question, and taking some small pleasure at you being the one to just immediately solve a problem with violence. Of course, it was about the only way to resolve things there quickly, and you didn't want them possibly scratching the coloration of your armor with their swords. "Yes, completely." You looked at the pile of unconscious guards on the other side of the outside area, before you turned to Mayonne. "And can you please take on a normal form for the moment? I don't need any more repeats of that... I don't really intend to make a habit of this." Really, as convenient as it was to just blow anything that tried getting in your way away was, you'd still have preferred not having to do it in the first place. Oh well, violence might not be the only answer, but you didn't want to waste the time it would take to explain things out to the guards here. Marle would clear things up."Of course." Just like that, Mayonne's pointed ears rounded out and he immediately looked more human... "Don't expect Magus to be able to get rid of his own ears though, what was it he said... 'Shapeshifting-magic is far too weak for me, I'm looking for real power!' or something." Mayonne did a mock impression of Magus' deep voice, and you could see out of the corner of your eye that the ex-demon lord was getting quite irritated with his once general. "It's probably fine. They seemed more focused on you anyway." It's funny that they seemed to focus entirely on Mayonne instead of Magus... maybe Mayonne just appeared more demonic to them? You had no clue. "Well, I am beautiful after all, so it's only natural that they'd focus on me." Mayonne happily declared, confident in his appearance... though it was pretty easy to be confident in how you looked when you could quite literally take on any form you wanted with magic.
"I'm not changing my appearance." Magus stated calmly and precisely. "I'm not going to change my appearance for the sake of appeasing some weakling guards. That's just a waste of time." How very stubborn, and also entirely expected of Magus with what you knew about him."Well, just so you know that you're going to be the one dealing with the next group of guards if we run into trouble, that's fine." You immediately responded, he could just put everyone to sleep if he was going to be like that about it... could Mayonne have perhaps have slighted his pride by mentioning his failure to ever learn shapeshifting magic? It did sound like a useful form of magic to be able to use... but probably not something that Magus ever thought would really allow him to defeat something like Lavos, so it's obvious why he never bothered."Fine by me." Magus crossed his arms. "Can we just go and find Schala now?" Magus clearly didn't really care about the rest of your allies in the castle all that much, especially not compared to his sister, but again, entirely expected of him."Right. I can sense their energy anyway, they seem to be in the throne room." It wasn't far, so you created a disk for Khive and Parzlee and had it follow behind you as you started to walk through the castle. There was no need to hurry at this point, the situation had calmed down... so long as you didn't blunder into any more patrols... thankfully, you managed to avoid being seen by any more guards as you made your way into the throne room, where you found everyone standing around waiting for you."Oh! Rettace! Janus! You're both here! Are... Khive and Parzlee alright?" Schala didn't bother addressing either Euca or Mayonne... then again, it's not like she knew any of them to any degree, and she only knew Parzlee from association with Khive... you didn't think she'd actually even met Parzlee a single time in reality. "Is everyone safe?""Yeah, thankfully, nobody got hurt..." You intended to keep talking, but Euca started to talk over you."She broke your leg and my ribs still hurt." Euca stared at you, clearly annoyed at the fact that you were ignoring the fact that Parzlee actually did manage to do some pretty insane damage to you, if not for Kachi-Kachi reverting your wound, you'd probably be in agony right about now. There's only so long that adrenaline can dampen the pain from something like that after all."I got better! And... wait, didn't you buy any potions?" You were confused at her lack of initiative, the medicine on this planet was top grade, so not taking the opportunity to buy any potions was probably pretty foolish on her part.
"We didn't have any money! We had to beat up that dumb singing robot in the clearing like 30 god damn times in order for it to give us enough points to buy even two doses of Panacea!" She sounded even more annoyed now, as if being reminded of having to beat up a robot was so some sort of traumatic experience for her. "I was off trying to get some more silver points, and when I got back, Parzlee was kicking your ass!""Hey, let it be known that I won that fight." You gave Euca an irritated glance, but she was clearly enjoying being able to tease you over how you dealt with Parzlee. You knew that she was only playing around, so you decided to play along."Oh yeah sure. If you can call running away until your enemy falls asleep winning, that's true." She looked smug as she was acting as if your victory over Parzlee didn't count... though to be fair, it didn't really count at all. If not for Khive's presence, you would've had to come up with another strategy to defeat her, and... really, nothing truly came to mind."At least I wasn't the one who tried to negotiate with her when she was in a mindless rampage. Seriously, what were you expecting?" Euca looked stunned for a moment as she had no actual comeback for that one, she had a long way to go when it came to stuff like this, but you enjoyed the brief verbal spar with the girl. Unfortunately for her, you were almost never at a loss for words, and when it came to a taunts and comebacks, you were second to none... even if you didn't exactly have much to use against Euca for that battle in particular, she was... a very small part of things, in truth. "I'm glad you're in high-spirits at least." Marle took a step forwards. "I can always heal you if you'd like, Euca." The princess happily offered to heal the half-Saiyan, though from how things looked, it didn't appear to you that her injuries were severe enough to warrant becoming stronger from her Saiyan DNA though. She'd really only received one hit from that entire fight, and that was being thrown against the ground."Thanks Marle." She quickly approached the Princess of Guardia for healing, and finally decided to get out of your hair... in the figurative sense, of course. The only thing in your hair in the literal sense was Kachi-Kachi, who only infrequently left what it had seemingly deemed as a suitable nest for now. Well, it suited you to have Kachi-Kachi so close to you, if he hadn't been with you when Parzlee rampaged, this entire planet may well not have existed anymore!
"Uhm... right, anyway, I'm happy that all three of you are doing well." Schala tried to ignore the brief heated joking exchange that you had shared with Euca. "I was worried about Khive being left behind, as well as about you and Parzlee fighting... I wanted to help, but... Sycam said I wasn't strong enough, and with my current level of strength, I'd have only ended up distracting you." Schala sounded disappointed in herself for not being able to help, but Sycam shook his head."Hey, in my defense, I freely acknowledged that the same was true for both me and Glenn too. The level of power on display there was far too much for anybody to be able to deal with." Sycam didn't sound happy with what he was saying even if it was true. "If you're going to get that much more powerful without warning, I can't slouch any more on my training." "Yes, unfortunately, even if I had called upon the full power of the Grandleon to increase my strength, I would not have been able to have stood up to the levels of energy on display back there." Wait... does that mean he can get stronger than he already is thanks to that sword? You'd have called that unfair, had you not accessed the power of the Super Saiyan just a few minutes ago. "You Saiyans hide a terrifying level of power, don't you?" Glenn asked you, and you could only shrug in response."Honestly, until recently, I didn't even know that such power truly existed outside of myths and legends." You answered truthfully. You couldn't really say much about the transformation, outside of the general power of the form and the realization as to what it actually was, it was still mostly a mystery to you. "And Schala... I'm glad that you stayed safe... I don't want you thrusting yourself into dangerous situations for my sake, OK?" While a part of you seemed to like the idea that Schala was willing to put herself into danger for your sake, the pragmatic part of you rallied against, outside of her powerful magic, which she needed you to help her cast anyway, right now, she'd only serve as a liability on the battlefield. Somebody you'd need to focus on protecting instead of focusing on attacking the enemy."R-right... well, I guess... I'll just have to get stronger then." Schala nodded with a burning determination in her eyes, and you were caught off guard for a moment. "If I'm not strong enough to stand by your side... I'll have to remedy that." You really weren't expecting such a confident declaration from the girl. "So... what's up with those two anyway?" Crono suddenly pointed at your unconscious squadmates sleeping on the floating disk, finally making his presence in the conversation known. "Shouldn't they be in a bed resting?" It was an obvious suggestion, but you were glad that somebody made it.
"I'm not quite sure right now. I think Parzlee is just out of energy... and I hope the same is true for Khive also." Parzlee ran out of energy as a result of her transformation into that ludicrously powerful state, while Khive's condition was still an unknown."Oh! Good idea, Crono. Rettace, would you mind following me upstairs? I think it's only right to have Lady Parzlee and her sister sleep in a high quality bed, and... from what I hear from the soldiers, the ones in the barracks aren't exactly very high quality. I'll take a look at the two of them when they're properly resting. Doing as Marle asked, you took the two girls up to the top floor of one of the castle's tower, to Marle's room no less. After setting them down in her large four poster bed which was clearly fit for a princess, you left Marle to examine them in peace... as you headed back downstairs, you realized that you had gathered almost all of your allies with the exception of Robo and Lucca... as well as Ayla, who had apparently wandered off somewhere earlier. >>What will Rettace do?>Go and find where Ayla wandered off to.>Go check in on Robo and Lucca, see how they're getting on.>Go find Melchior, may as well ask about that weapon now.>Take one/multiple of your allies to go with you on your way to your location. (Who and to where?)>Other(Write-in)
>>5087180>>Go find Melchior, may as well ask about that weapon now.>>Take one/multiple of your allies to go with you on your way to your location. (Who and to where?)I wanna hang out with Mayonne for a bit.He just dropped big lore bombs so he may be able to tell us nice things in the meanwhile.
>>5087180>>5087189Eh, why not, supporting.
>>5087180>Go find Melchior, may as well ask about that weapon now.>Take one/multiple of your allies to go with you on your way to your location. (Who and to where?)Schala, Magus and Mayonne. It'll be nice to spend more time with Schala. Melchior didn't see Magus and didn't want to interrupt our date yesterday, all three would appreciate the chance to catch up properly. And Mayonne won't hesitate to tell them some more embarrassing stories that Magus would otherwise want to hide.Nice to see that Schala is so motivated to get /fit/ and stand by our side too. The next ten months will be fun.
>>5087180>>5087194>>5087319Changing my vote to this, Magus and Schala also being around as we talk weapons with Melchior seems good, Magus would probably have good suggestions, and Schala being around is just good, because having the Waifu around is never a bad thing, especially when she wants to become more badass to support us.
So, venture into a nightmare realm episode for Khive?
Now that things with Khive and Parzlee were pretty much sorted... or well, as sorted as much as it can be right now anyway, you decided it would be a good idea to move on with the rest of your day, you still had to find Ayla... wherever she'd gotten off to, and you also needed to go check in on Lucca and Robo to find out about their plans for the ship as well as actually send Ayla and Glenn back to their native time periods... seeing as both of them were from the past and were still needed there for the sake of time's stability... if neither of them ever returned... things could get a little hairy. Best not to let things get to that point.But even though you still needed to do that, you decided instead that for now, you'd go and check in with Melchior, he did offer you a weapon last night, and now that the festival was winding down, it was the perfect time to go ask him about what exactly he could make for you. You weren't really somebody who favored using weapons over any other form of fighting, but that didn't mean you wouldn't use an especially high quality weapon.Leaving Marle to tend to your two friends by herself, you returned downstairs and approached Schala... who was conveniently speaking with Magus. "Hey, Schala... do you want to go and see Melchior with me again? You can come too, Magus" Schala quickly nodded and walked towards you with Magus following close behind. "And also..." You turned towards the demon leaning against a wall, who looked surprised at the attention. "Mayonne, would you mind coming as well? You revealed a lot of... interesting stuff earlier, and I feel like you might have more to tell me about it... more about the Demon Realm." You were interested to know more about the place, and Mayonne seemed to be something of an expert."Sure, I only lived there for a few thousand years, so you can call me something of an expert when it comes to Demon Realm lore." Mayonne sounded proud of the knowledge he had of his own home, but that wasn't something you were expecting... How old was Mayonne?!"You're... thousands of years old?" You were stunned at the idea of Mayonne somehow being that old."More like twenty five thousand, actually, but... who's asking? Vinegar, Soiso and I were young for demons when we got into this realm. It was thanks to the efforts of a desperate magic user a few years after Zeal collapsed who attempted to open a portal to another dimension in order to escape the current state of the world... of course, it's not like he would've fared any better in the Makai." Mayonne shook his head as you started to leave the castle with Schala and Magus following along. "But I'm getting distracted, what do you want to know about the Makai?""Well... I suppose I want to know how powerful the average uh... demon is."
"Honestly... it depends... I know that the Demon King Dabura would've been able to crush both you and Parzlee with utmost ease even when you were using those transformations and that the other demons would also prove to be a challenge to your current state too... but... well, the demon realm also has legends about... demon gods... far beyond the power of any normal demon, with power that would make even the Demon King himself tremble with fear.""Demon Gods? And... wait, if you're saying that there are demons in the Makai that could be a match for me now, how come you're so weak?" It was a fair question, but Mayonne didn't seem to appreciate it."Hey! I wasn't weak! I... was just young when I left the Makai!" Ah, so it's a matter of age. Makes sense. Calming down a little, Mayonne went on to explain about the demon gods. "Anyway, Demon Gods... they were apparently created through the power of the Dark King of Makai... though with his sealing, they too vanished." Mayonne nodded. "A good thing too, with that level of strength being thrown about, the Makai would've been even more chaotic than it already is! At least Dabura manages to keep the place running in at least some sort of orderly fashion." The Demon King Dabura, huh... you started to wonder just how powerful this King of Demons really was..."So, why didn't you tell me about this King of Demons either, Mayonne?" Magus interrupted, and Mayonne looked mischievous."You would've done something like tried to open a portal to the Makai in order to summon him in an attempt to use his power to destroy Lavos, well, let me tell you that the King of Demons wouldn't kneel to any mortal magician! His power is unmatched among demons, and there's no way he'd listen to what you asked him to do! He'd have conquered this entire planet... and have made me go back to the Makai." Mayonne revealed that there was something of an ulterior motive towards his actions."I'm starting to feel as if my underlings weren't exactly as loyal as I hoped they were." Magus frowned, clearly annoyed by the fact that his so called generals were so quick to hide information from him that might've been vital to defeating Lavos. "I think they were just trying to protect you, Janus." Schala said with a concerned smile. "I'm glad that they managed to keep you from doing something like summoning the real demon king... Lavos was a threat that needed to be stopped, but trading the fate of the future for one just as terrible wouldn't have been worth it." Schala shook her head, and you couldn't really argue with that. If Mayonne was right, and this Dabura was powerful enough that even that incredible power you and Parzlee had used would be nothing compared to him, it was certainly for the best that he remained in the realm of the demons.
You ended up simply walking through the forest that linked the castle to the rest of the town without bothering to fly this time, it wasn't exactly a long walk, and at this point, the creatures of the forest knew better than to mess with you this time. Most of the stuff that Mayonne still knew about the Demon Realm was stuff like the environments of the place, it was no surprise that some of the demons were as powerful as Mayonne said they were though, with conditions as harsh as what he mentioned... acidic rain, twisting gravity wells, hostile wildlife the size of castles and flames that could incinerate anything with a single touch. It sounded like a place where you either got strong fast or you died faster.Eventually, you made it to the fair once again, and swiftly sought out Melchior, who was attending his stall apparently doing nothing, the man brightened up upon seeing your group approaching, and started trying to look busy, polishing some random sword he had with him. "Rettace! Schala and..." He hesitated as he stared at Magus for a long time, before he decided on his next words. "Janus too! I'm glad you came, Rettace. I saw some of your battle with your friend, and I must say that I'm impressed, never have I seen such speed or power from anybody in my life!" The swordsmith praised your power, before he set the sword down. "I suppose you're here to talk about the weapon I offered, well... I have a few ideas over what I can create you... I understand that... you might not wish for it to be a sword, so I have... prepared some alternates."
>>What will Rettace pick?>Second Dream: A Two-Handed Blade constructed with the highest grade of materials in order to increase cutting power to the point where it can slash through steel with only a light swing as well as be unbreakable. In addition, the sword has the ability to absorb energy through a fragment of the Sun Stone in the hilt, allowing for the absorption of enemy attacks up to the limit of the Sun Stone.>Sun's Grasp: A set of gauntlets constructed with the highest grade of materials in order to increase striking power and be unbreakable. There is a fragment of the Sun Stone set in each digit, allowing for the amplification of physical strikes as well as the absorption of enemy attacks up to the limit of the Sun Stone.>Cosmic Aegis: A shield the size of your torso constructed to be unbreakable, coated with powdered Prismatic Shell, this shield can reflect beam and wave based attacks back onto an opponent if it is used to block them.>Elemental Blades: A set of six throwing knives that are each imbued with a magical element. Flame, Ice, Electricity, Darkness, Earth and Wind. After being thrown, each blade will be destroyed but will magically return to its holster after an hour. The Flame Blade sets an opponent ablaze, the Ice Blade freezes an opponent, the Electricity Blade sends lightning coursing through the struck target, the Darkness Blade robs the target of their vision, the Earth Blade slowly begins to petrify the target as long as it isn't pulled out and the Wind Blade causes the atmosphere itself to turn on the target, robbing them of breathable air.>Other(Ask QM)
>>5087682>>Sun's Grasp: A set of gauntlets constructed with the highest grade of materials in order to increase striking power and be unbreakable. There is a fragment of the Sun Stone set in each digit, allowing for the amplification of physical strikes as well as the absorption of enemy attacks up to the limit of the Sun Stone.Harder to disarm, doesn't impede the hands and can absorb energy. Top tier artifact right here.
>>5087681>Elemental Blades: A set of six throwing knives that are each imbued with a magical element. Flame, Ice, Electricity, Darkness, Earth and Wind. After being thrown, each blade will be destroyed but will magically return to its holster after an hour. The Flame Blade sets an opponent ablaze, the Ice Blade freezes an opponent, the Electricity Blade sends lightning coursing through the struck target, the Darkness Blade robs the target of their vision, the Earth Blade slowly begins to petrify the target as long as it isn't pulled out and the Wind Blade causes the atmosphere itself to turn on the target, robbing them of breathable air.Coolest powers, best addition to our bag of tricks. Most fitting for our fighting style.
>>5087682I just want to check, can you use the absorbed energy for magic?Because if so>Suns grasp for SchalaIf not>Elemental knives.
>>5087719It'll be difficult for anybody to use the absorbed energy for anything at first.
>>5087719>>Suns grasp for SchalaWe can train schala later, let's not give her upgrades meant for Rettace.
>>5087736At first? So it can be done, even if not immediately. But maybe a staff with those qualities would suit her better?>Other(Ask QM)>>5087741Anon has a point. Schala needs the upgrade more than we do.
>>5087743I suppose Melchior could create Schala a staff in addition to whatever he makes you.
>>5087752In addition? That's awesome! I'm gonna change my vote >>5087702to>>5087682>Elemental Blades for Rettace>Ask Melchior to create Schala a staff, or something else that would suit her, in addition to whatever he makes you.
>>5087741She and Sycam and Mayyo need more upgrades than we do.But yeah, I'll toss my weight behind >>5087753
>>5087682>Something like Second Dream, but in Lance/Spear form instead.
>>5087682>Sun's Grasp: A set of gauntlets constructed with the highest grade of materials in order to increase striking power and be unbreakable. There is a fragment of the Sun Stone set in each digit, allowing for the amplification of physical strikes as well as the absorption of enemy attacks up to the limit of the Sun Stone.This is the best upgrade, IMO, the daggers are single use items with an hour cooldown, if it was maybe two of each, I'd be down, but only one use of each thing is no good when we can just learn that stuff as actual spells later, or have other items made that can do that stuff as Consumable Items.The only way I'd want the Daggers is if we could come back at a later date and get them upgraded with more, better magic shit so we have more uses, and so they're stronger.
>>5088020While I recognise that suns grasp is the superior option, as the other anon mentioned that a small bag of tricks, is more fun to strategic around.
>>5088020Agreed. The daggers feel way too gimmicky. Anyone strong enough would be able to simply resist or even outright ignore any of it's effects.I also support the Gauntlets. Though, instead of gauntlets I'd rather them be integrated into our Saiyan spandex or something of the sort. Prism Shadow Saiyan Armor.Also supporting a thingy for Schala. Honestly, I'd rather a full thing for Schala. We really don't need weapons and Schala is never gonna go full Ki unlike us so the harder she can magic the better.
>>5088027that's a point actually. Is there a garrentee that shit like the "rob vision" effect will always go off?Since that seems like a really shitty thing to have be denied by the latest super strong guy we face.
>>5088027Wukong said in addition, so I assume Melchior will make something equally strong for her anyway. Otherwise yes, I'd prefer that she gets a better one over us getting a weapon at all.
>>5087682>>5088027>Agreed. The daggers feel way too gimmicky. Anyone strong enough would be able to simply resist or even outright ignore any of it's effects.Precisely my point, yeah.And yeah, good point, adding: >Ask Melchior to create Schala a staff, or something else that would suit her, in addition to whatever he makes you.-to my vote here: >>5088020>>5088029Exactly, what guarantee do we have that ANY of that stuff will actually work later on as things go? Better to have Unbreakable Equipment that can absorb energy, as opposed to something that can be deflected away by a stray ki blast, and neutralized entirely.
>>5088035The gauntlets aren't completely limitless either. Up to the limit of the Sun Stone. The strongest attacks will go right through, just when we need them absorbed the most. Though honestly, my biggest concern is how they look. I'd much prefer it if the effect could be incorporated into our armor.
>>5087682I'll support >>5087753 as well.Even if enemies get a "saving throw" of sorts, I'd say having immediate access to every elemental damage type should come in handy, especially if we can find out which one might be "super effective" against a given enemy.I doubt we're going to meet anyone in the near future who's going to be fully immune to ALL of the effects.Also Wukong, do they explicitly have to be thrown to active their effect? Because I'd imagine if we're grappling an enemy and get a free hand, wouldn't slipping one out and stabbing the opponent also work to activate them?
>>5088043Oh, of course there's a Limit, but we can always have Melchior upgrade that limit later with more materials, hell, we could Wish for materials to upgrade our Gauntlets if we ever have a spare wish, or whatever. I mean, considering how wishes are tossed around like candy later on, why not?
>>5088064You can stab them into enemies to activate their effect, yes.They're just weighted to be thrown at an enemy.
>>5088065I wouldn't bet on the gauntlets being upgradeable anymore than the daggers. If we can fix the limitations of one, so will we be able to for the other.
>>5088074Yeah, everything can be upgraded, but I'd rather have the thing that STARTS Unbreakable, the Daggers can probably be upgraded to just activate then teleport to us and recharge faster while still being able to stab shit, and not break, but I'd rather Gauntlets that can block any Melee attack with no damage to us.
>>5088082You did say>>5088020>if it was maybe two of each, I'd be down, but only one use of each thing is no good when we can just learn that stuff as actual spells later, or have other items made that can do that stuff as Consumable Items.>The only way I'd want the Daggers is if we could come back at a later date and get them upgraded with more, better magic shit so we have more uses, and so they're stronger.If they can be upgraded, all your concerns will be addressed. I still think that having their various effects in our toolbox will be more useful than just more raw power, and more compatible with the way we've been fighting. And if you want something unbreakable to block attacks with, the shield would work better.
>>5088099>If they can be upgraded, all your concerns will be addressed. I still think that having their various effects in our toolbox will be more useful than just more raw power, and more compatible with the way we've been fighting. And if you want something unbreakable to block attacks with, the shield would work better.Maybe, maybe, but I generally prefer the Gauntlets, Daggers are winning anyway, so it's not really that big a deal, lol
I'm changing/expanding my vote on something for Schala.>I don't need a weapon, I'm probably one of the strongest beings in the universe right now and instead I should probably try to focus on mastering the power of the Super Saiyan and teaching Schala. >I should instead ask Melchior to create something for Schala to use alongside her Magic so she can take it to even greater levels
>>5087682>>5088170Support. Humans gift jewels. A Saiyan gifts weapons.
>>5088572A thoughtful saiyan gifts weights.
"I have a question... actually." You were actually wondering about the weapons that Melchior could create for you, you were going to be on the planet for a while, so the swordsmith should probably have enough time to take care of two requests for you, instead of just making a single weapon... it might've been pushing things a little, bit you didn't think that Melchior would really mind too much... especially with who your request concerned."Go ahead." Melchior was quick to give you the go-ahead, and you paused for a moment as you wondered just how best to phrase what you wanted to ask, you didn't exactly want to sound rude towards Melchior, but... you did have an idea over somebody who could use a weapon far more than you... Schala. With her current level of strength, something that could allow her to defend herself from enemy energy attacks without needing to rely on her magic would be tremendously useful for her."Do you think you could create something for Schala? I think that she needs a weapon more than I do, I'm strong enough to take care of myself as is, yet if Schala had something that could absorb Ki, she'd be much safer in the future." You told Melchior straight just what you wanted him to create. A weapon for Schala, you aren't always going to be around to make sure that she doesn't find herself in danger, and a weapon that could protect her from attacks would always be useful."Something for the princess...?" Melchior paused, losing himself in his thoughts as he looked at you and then at the princess standing behind you. "Princess Schala... do you really wish to battle on the front lines?" It seemed as if Melchior was trying to determine how much Schala truly wished to fight, rather than remain on the back-lines and use her powers to support, but... even if she did wish to remain on the back-lines, that was no excuse for allowing her to stay weak. A group is only as strong as its weakest link, just because Schala's magical abilities were tremendously powerful, it didn't mean that she could really fight against a tough enemy. It was pretty clear that Schala had never been in a single actual fight in her entire life, and that was one of the reasons it was so easy for Queen Zeal to manipulate Schala into following along with her nefarious plans."I do." Schala was quick to respond to Melchior's doubts, as determined as ever. "I don't want to be weak for my entire life, Melchior. I don't want to ever be in the position I was in while I lived in Zeal ever again, Melchior. I want to get strong enough to defend the people I care about, and not have to rely on being rescued anymore." Schala told Melchior herself, she still appeared to be determined, and Melchior paused for a moment after her declaration.
"Then... very well, I shall create you a staff imbued with such abilities... are you OK with such a thing?" Melchior stopped for a moment. "Though I am a swordsmith first and foremost, so... my skill at creating a staff like that may be... more lacking than if I were to create you a sword... but I cannot see you wielding a sword... you do not have the proper personality to become a wielder of a blade." Melchior shook his head, well... he was the expert when it came to stuff like sword form... you'd really only trust Glenn more when it came to analyzing whether somebody had talent with a sword or not. "I agree... a sword would not suit me either. While... any weapon will take some getting used to... a staff which I can use to focus my power through... as well as defend myself with from attacks... I think that would be the best weapon I could use." Schala confirmed that it was a staff that she wanted, and Melchior started looking at the materials he had on hand with him at the festival."Well... it'll take a few months before it is ready... I will get started the moment I return to my forge... that is where I left the majority of my equipment, after all." Melchior confirmed that he would make Schala's staff for her, but then he turned back towards you. "However... it was not the princess who I offered to create a weapon for, was it... I believe you should still choose just what sort of a weapon you wish for me to create as well, Rettace." The swordsmith still seem to be determined to create a weapon for you as well. "I do not consider creating a weapon for Schala to have fulfilled that condition, so... what will it be?" Melchior was doing you a favor here, so you started thinking just which of the weapons he had offered you would be the best, they all had merit as either offensive or defensive tools, but... there was one weapon that stood out to you. "Can you... make me a set of the Elemental Blades?" While each blade was a one-use attack in a fight, with a chance to miss, it gave you access to six new attacks that you otherwise wouldn't have. A way to surprise your enemy that couldn't possibly be predicted. After all, who expects to be frozen in ice from being hit with a thrown dagger? "But... a question, will they also work if I use them in close combat, or do they have to be thrown?" It was important to know this, because it would totally change how the weapons could be used in a fight. They would be far more situational if you could only use them as throwing weapons, rather than use them in close quarters if you felt the need to.
"So long as the edge of the blade touches the target, the effect will activate, though... their magic will be less potent unless they are stabbed into a target, and they will still disappear for the same time either way." Melchior elaborated on the abilities of the daggers, but that they still worked was enough information for you. They wouldn't be nearly as situational as you had perhaps feared, so you saw no issue in asking for the set. Of course, the other pieces of equipment that Melchior had offered you sounded incredibly useful as well, but you just thought that the set of daggers fit with your fighting style the best. After all, you always did like to keep an enemy guessing. Being predictable is a great way to get your moves read by an enemy and getting whatever you're throwing out dodged or otherwise overpowered by a counter-attack. "Interesting... so... between the staff and the daggers... how long should it take you to create both?" You may as well confirm the time that it'll take with Melchior now. After all, if it was going to take years, which you doubted, there was no point in even having this discussion. Of course, it was unlikely to take that long, but... it was a matter of the creation of magic weaponry, and you were far from an expert in the subject."Well... forging new weapons from scratch is... a time consuming process... especially weapons imbued with magic like this... so it should take... hmmph... for both? Let's say... six months?" Melchior did the calculations in his head and came up with a number. Six months? That was hardly any time at all in the grand scheme of things!"Six months? That's great! We'll be staying on this planet for the best part of a year anyway, so it's not like we're going anywhere." You more wanted the weapon for Schala's sake than you wanted the Elemental Blades for yourself, but that didn't mean you weren't going to use the Blades. They sounded like incredibly powerful weapons, and you'd be a fool not to use them to their fullest potential. All six of the daggers sounded like they could turn the tide of a battle by themselves, if they actually took effect. "Excellent then... did you perhaps have another request for me? Janus... perhaps you would like an actual weapon?" Melchior was eyeing the large scythe strapped to Magus' back, seemingly disapproving of the weapon... for obvious reasons. Though Magus could use it with some skill, it was clear to everyone that a scythe was a horribly balanced weapon when it came to the design. It was overly light on one end, and immensely heavy towards the blade."An... actual weapon?" Magus took an alarmed step back at suddenly being addressed, clearly he didn't appreciate being addressed like this at all. Magus was obviously used to being treated with more respect, but... now that he was with Schala once again, more and more people had taken to referring to him by his true name.
"Yes, my boy. While it may have some... intimidation factor, a scythe is not a weapon that you should be using in combat. It is a farming tool... for harvesting wheat." Melchior tried to explain to Magus why a scythe wasn't exactly a very good weapon to fight with, but you doubted he'd be able to change any minds.Magus frowned at being called out on his use of a farming tool instead of an actual weapon designed to fight with. "So what? It works for what I want it for. Besides, this scythe was constructed with demonic forging techniques, it can cut through metal as easily as it can cut through wheat." Magus defended his usage of a scythe, while you wouldn't ever use a scythe yourself unless you were desperate for a weapon for whatever reason, there was no denying that Magus did wield his scythe with a great deal of skill."Well, if that's what you prefer, I will not attempt to change your mind." Melchior shrugged. "If you ever wish for a spear or a sword of some sort though, you do know where to find me." The swordsmith reminded Magus. "Now... if you'll excuse me, I must return to my home. I have a weapon to get started on." Melchior quickly began to pack up his stall before racing off to his home. Magus looked miserable at having had his choice of a weapon talked poorly about, but you decided it would be best if you ignored his sulking.As you were about to return to the castle, you noticed a familiar feeling Ki nearby, and you soon spotted the reason for it approaching, Lucca and Robo had arrived. "Oh! Rettace! There you are, I've been looking for you, but... you're not an easy man to find." The purple haired genius quickly greeted you. "I actually need to ask you a few questions about the ship... if you're not busy can you come to my house?">>What will Rettace say?>"I'm not busy, let's go.">"I'm returning to the castle first, you're more than willing to come.">"Sure, I'm not busy, Schala, Magus and Mayonne... can you go back to the Castle without me? This might take a while.">Other(Write-in)
>>5089941>"I'm not busy, let's go."
>>5089941>"I'm not busy, let's go."Perfect timing!
>>5089941>"I'm not busy, let's go."I'm tempted to offer constructive criticism on Magus' scythe (see if he can rotate the blade outward a bit to have it function more like a glaive), but he seems a bit salty at the moment so maybe later.
>>5089941>I'm not. Do you guys want to go to the castle? or stick with me?
>>5089941>Cannot appreciate the wonderfulness of being chuuni>Muh realism>Muh utilityMelchior's a fag
>>5089941>"I'm not busy, let's go.">"I Will be looking for Ayla soon enough though, she seems to have completely wandered off, and no-one knows where she is."
>>5090499Supporting this one.
"Yeah sure, I'm not busy. Let's go." You weren't exactly planning on doing much today anyway, it's either you go see Lucca and Robo to discuss the ship now, or you'd just end up doing it later on anyway, so you may as well get it out of the way first. Besides, discussing just how the ship would be designed and constructed was fairly important to your future. This was the stage in which you'd get to have input in just how you wanted the ship to be designed, of course, you did have a few preferences, so hopefully Lucca could accommodate those requests... you had no doubt that she'd be able to do so though. The girl was a certifiable genius."I'll be heading back to the castle, I think." Magus didn't sound as if he had any interest whatsoever in hanging out with Lucca and Robo. "I need to take care of a few things around the world anyway." With that, the once lord of demons took to the skies and flew away. You didn't know why Magus didn't feel like sticking around, but you supposed that it didn't really matter much, you didn't really think that Magus would have many good suggestions to make for the creation of a ship anyway. "Huh. Wonder what got into him?" Lucca remarked on Magus' departure with a curious expression. Obviously she wasn't expecting Magus to fly off somewhere, but she didn't seem all that bothered by his decision not to come with you either."Oh, he just gets like that sometimes." Schala answered for the now absentee Magus. "He's never got along well with other people, really. So I imagine he just felt like being alone... or he actually did have something he needed to get on with. Not even I can tell with Janus, sometimes." Schala admitted that she wasn't entirely certain whether Magus actually was going just for the sake of leaving, or if he had something he needed to do... but what could he possibly have to get on with in this era anyway? Unless he was planning on taking a quick trip to the past for something, there shouldn't be anything around in this era that was important to him, right?"Anyway... I take it the rest of you are all fine to come along?" Lucca offered once again, and you nodded."Right. We also need to find Ayla at one point later today, but... that can wait. It's not like Ayla and Glenn have to go back immediately anyway, is it?" You confirmed with Lucca, she was sort of the expert when it came to time travel here. You also liked having Ayla and Glenn around, Glenn was also incredibly helpful for Sycam's progress as a fighter too, so it would be a shame to have him return to his home time.
"Not especially... they can stay around for basically as long as they want to, so long as they end up going back to their own time period and staying there in the end." Lucca answered you, confirming what you already thought. "Though there is a very very slim chance that them being in the future rather than their rightful place in time will end up causing problems if they aren't around for an important event in their own time... but it's probably fine. Even if the time gates all shut off, we still have the Epoch that we can use to travel through time." Lucca happily reminded you that there was still a functioning time machine just... usable... wasn't it terribly dangerous to just have it lying around? What if somebody else got their hands on it and tried to change time for their own nefarious ends? Deciding against thinking about potentials like somebody managing to steal the Epoch, you focused on the matter at hand, besides, Lucca was probably keeping the Epoch safe enough so that there was no risk that it would be stolen. You hoped. "Alright then, shall we get going? I might not be busy right now, but... I do still have some things I need to get done with today.""Alright then, follow me!" Lucca started to walk towards her house, you wondered why she didn't just choose to fly, but the fact that she had a bunch of delicate looking components in her arms may have colored her decision to not rush things. After all, it was only about a twenty minute walk to get back to her house from the center of the fair, and before long, you found yourself sitting around a table with Schala, Mayonne, and Lucca. Robo was apparently too heavy to sit down on one of the wooden chairs, so he remained standing... though being a robotic lifeform, it's not like he could ever really suffer from fatigue, so he was perfectly fine with standing."So... you've made a few designs then?" You asked Lucca, who nodded before she started to reveal blueprint after blueprint she had worked on, each showing a system or addition to the ship that was more advanced than the last. You didn't even know what half of the blueprints were attempting to suggest adding to the ship."Well... after a brief analysis of the ship, and through combing over the data that Robo collected, the basic shell of the ship will be far better than the ship that you used to get here on. I'm thinking of using Sun Stones to power the ship, allowing for an inexhaustible supply of fuel which-" Lucca got cut off from her explanation."Sun Stones? But... there's only one Sun Stone!" Schala was alarmed by Lucca's flippant attitude towards the Sun Stone. "It's... a legendary artifact that at the peak of its power was enough to power the entire City of Zeal for generations!" Schala's confusion was entirely expected, from what little you knew of the Sun Stone, it was a tremendously powerful magical artifact, and Lucca was talking about using multiple to power the ship.
"Yeah, well... I may have... used Time Travel to create a few spares as I needed." Lucca reached into her pocket and pulled out two identical glowing yellow rocks, and Schala was stunned into silence by Lucca's blatant abuse of time in order to copy the Sun Stone. Just... how many of the damn things did she end up creating, anyway? "Regardless, with Sun Stones as the power source instead of a conventional fuel source, I predict that the ship will be able to travel at least ten times faster than the ship you used to get here with! Not to mention that the excess power of the Sun Stones can be used in order to further reinforce the ship's durability through the creation of an energy shield that by my calculations should be able to theoretically shrug off blows from something like Lavos itself! Or I could even make on-board weaponry with enough power that it could destroy Lavos... if it still existed!" Lucca finished her brief but excited explanation of the power of the Sun Stone powered ship, and you started to realize that the ship that she wanted to create would be like no other ship ever designed in the universe. The speed alone would put your ship on a level far beyond anything else that was around in space, and the energy shields would practically render the ship invincible to basically everything in existence."That's.... very impressive, Lucca." You praised the girl, who looked smug about her scientific prowess."Well... I can't take all the credit, Robo did do a lot of the helping when it came to creating the design. But... the Sun-Stone powered engine aside... I do still need your input. I've got a lot of systems here... but I won't be able to finish working on all of them in the time-frame I've got... so I want you to decide on what you want me to focus on... I should be able to get three finished by the deadline." Lucca then pushed the blueprints over to you, and you started to scan through them.
>>Pick Three>Variable Gravity Chamber - A Gravity Chamber room that goes up to 1000x the Gravity of Planet Temperus... that is to say, 100x the Gravity of Planet Vegeta.>Advanced Medical Facilities - Medical facilities including healing chambers and Enertrons, allowing for rapid recovery from even the worst of wounds as well as ability to go without food, sleep or other basic needs thanks to the Enertrons.>Teleportation Control Center - A main control center for Lucca's teleportation project. The Control Center will be able to manufacture and store the details of new teleporters, in addition, the Control Center can be used for short-range teleportation from orbit to surface.>On-Board AI Control - An advanced Artificial Intelligence designed to pilot the ship when no organic pilot is available, also takes care of all on-board automation.>Tablet Creation Facilities - Extremely advanced magic and science combine to create a semi-automated creation facility for Tablets. Creating a tablet at a rate of one a day, Lucca seems to believe that the efficiency of the Tablets can be enhanced further.>Cloaking Device - A powerful addition to the ship that not only cloaks the physical image of the ship, but also hides the Ki Energy of those within the ship. May be possible to shrink down to use on a personal level with enough time.>Time Travel Capabilities - By stripping out all the parts of the Epoch and recreating them as a sort of time-engine, it is possible for the ship to have the capability to travel back and forth in time. Of course, this is an extremely powerful ability and abusing it could spell disaster for the entire universe.>Extreme Range Scanners - Scanners that have a maximum range of an entire galaxy. While they are usually used for analyzing and recording planets, thanks to Lucca's study of the Scouter, they can also detect Ki Energy from a great distance.>Other(Write-in)
>>5091186>Variable Gravity Chamber - A Gravity Chamber room that goes up to 1000x the Gravity of Planet Temperus... that is to say, 100x the Gravity of Planet Vegeta.>Tablet Creation Facilities - Extremely advanced magic and science combine to create a semi-automated creation facility for Tablets. Creating a tablet at a rate of one a day, Lucca seems to believe that the efficiency of the Tablets can be enhanced further.Time Travel Capabilities - By stripping out all the parts of the Epoch and recreating them as a sort of time-engine, it is possible for the ship to have the capability to travel back and forth in time. Of course, this is an extremely powerful ability and abusing it could spell disaster for the entire universe.
>>5091186>Variable Gravity Chamber - A Gravity Chamber room that goes up to 1000x the Gravity of Planet Temperus... that is to say, 100x the Gravity of Planet Vegeta.Jesus fucking christ, getting that will probably MASSIVELY reduce the amount of time we need to spend training to catch up to what Kachi Kachi gave us, so that's more than likely getting in.>Advanced Medical Facilities - Medical facilities including healing chambers and Enertrons, allowing for rapid recovery from even the worst of wounds as well as ability to go without food, sleep or other basic needs thanks to the Enertrons.Damn, that's a good upgrade, and helps a ton with any food shortages that may occur depending on Crew size, and makes Emergency Zenkai much more attainable.>Teleportation Control Center - A main control center for Lucca's teleportation project. The Control Center will be able to manufacture and store the details of new teleporters, in addition, the Control Center can be used for short-range teleportation from orbit to surface.Shit, getting Lucca's actual invention on here early is probably a good idea, but as it's her own invention it's probably the easiest to apply, so it can probably be left for later safely.>On-Board AI Control - An advanced Artificial Intelligence designed to pilot the ship when no organic pilot is available, also takes care of all on-board automation.This one is great, especially for if the pilots pass out, but it can also be manipulated by hackers using special bullshit that can twist it's functions, best left for later, IMO.>Tablet Creation Facilities - Extremely advanced magic and science combine to create a semi-automated creation facility for Tablets. Creating a tablet at a rate of one a day, Lucca seems to believe that the efficiency of the Tablets can be enhanced further.Getting Tablets production started now is only going to make EVERYONE stronger REALLY goddamn fast, especially as production scales up, so that *100% NEEDS* to get in.>Cloaking Device - A powerful addition to the ship that not only cloaks the physical image of the ship, but also hides the Ki Energy of those within the ship. May be possible to shrink down to use on a personal level with enough time.This is great, but can be covered simply by having the crew learn energy suppression, and start suppressing a ways away from whatever planet we land on.>Time Travel Capabilities - By stripping out all the parts of the Epoch and recreating them as a sort of time-engine, it is possible for the ship to have the capability to travel back and forth in time. Of course, this is an extremely powerful ability and abusing it could spell disaster for the entire universe.HELL. NO. The Epoch is already dangerous enough to have around, giving the GODDAMN REMADE BLACK OMEN Time Travel is just ASKING for some asshole to end the world.(I shall finish my observations/opinions in my next post, and put my actual vote there)
>>5091200>>Cloaking Device - A powerful addition to the ship that not only cloaks the physical image of the ship, but also hides the Ki Energy of those within the ship. May be possible to shrink down to use on a personal level with enough time.>This is great, but can be covered simply by having the crew learn energy suppression, and start suppressing a ways away from whatever planet we land on.ah, wait, it also cloaks the massive, multi-kilometer spaceship from normal vision, glossed over that part, nice, but still, not super needed.>Extreme Range Scanners - Scanners that have a maximum range of an entire galaxy. While they are usually used for analyzing and recording planets, thanks to Lucca's study of the Scouter, they can also detect Ki Energy from a great distance.This is a great addition for finding specific planets and suspiciously large energy signatures, but, eh, med ranged scanners that can 'Only' scan a few solar systems away (as that's what I assume she'll satisfy herself with, no way she doesn't add scanners at all) is still more than good, even if it doesn't scan ki, or just isn't as accurate.And as for what I'm picking....>Variable Gravity ChamberIt's just too damn good, One Thousand times Earth's gravity is fucking nuts for future training, that's more than is EVER used ANYWHERE else, so we'll barely need to ever use weights for training.Of course, I now remember we'll have 10 months before it can even be used, but it should hopefully reduce those last two months to just one Month of Training needed to start growing again.>Tablet Creation Facilities Having tablets made for the crew is too damn good, one Magic tab, and BAM, we have a new Crewmate that can start learning to use Magic and increase their reserves through training, and it can increase Speed for anyone who's lacking it, Strength, and hell, she'll probably figure out MORE Tab types, like maybe a Defense Tab, with Schala's assistance, as she MADE The Tabs in the first place!>Advanced Medical FacilitiesYeah, I think Healing All Wounds near instantly, as well as removing the need for Sleep, (Ignoring not needing food and Water, maybe for most races, but no way it fully supplements for a Saiyan, maybe it'd just reduce that need somewhat) is just too damn good when we need to train for a year to start getting any gains again, and having Healing chambers that work faster than the ones Frieza's ship had, that also do MORE is just plain worth it.
>>5091186>Variable Gravity Chamber>Tablet Creation Facilities>Teleportation Control Center
>>5091211I support that.Going without sleep is super amazing for our time management.We can organise a training rota and those hours spent sleeping can be put elsewhere
>>5091186>Advanced Medical Facilities>Teleportation Control Center>Cloaking DeviceStronger upgrades that I'm intentionally NOT picking and reasoning behind it:>Variable Gravity ChamberToo lazy of a way to get more powerful. Goku came up with this method after training with King Kai, so good on him for doing that. It was a logical progression of his training methods. Aping it (like Vegeta did) just because of the "meta" seems cheap to me.>Tablet Creation FacilityNarratively speaking, I'm not a big fan of Lucca being able to fabricate buff Tablets just like that. I was hoping there would be some kind of scare material (related to divine or magical energy) that would need to be collected through some kind of trial of character in order to make them, which would explain why Spekkio needed to spar with Rettace before he could fork over the items. Getting a steady stream of them with no effort on our part cheapens the payoff of Rettace's fight with Spekkio. If we needed to collect materials in some kind of character-driven sideplot before Lucca could get the tablet-printer fired up then I'd be totally on board and would swap this in place of the Cloaking device.
I'm not sure what to vote for. I generally agree with the points brought up, especially those here >>5091366, but there's also a glaring flaw with the Enertrons: They give you a full night's sleep but leave you hungry. And we all know that hunger is a terrible thing for a Saiyan. I'm not sure the trade-off is worth it.https://mp4.mega64.net/ct/07/024.mp4
>>5091372Oh dear. That's going to doom several stockpiles.>>5091366And perhaps you've a point. But I've a different contention for you, that the spar with Spekkio isn't actually cheapened because Spekkio was bound by rules of fair play. We found other tablets than the one's given by him, they are produced by someone else in the past of the planet.Though it's fair to say that a sideplot to print this shit out may be nice, with Luuca it's unlikely to be needed. On the counter point hwoever, refining it can probably need a sideplot of some manner.
>>5091379>they are produced by someone else in the past of the planetOk, but for the purposes of characterization I had hoped Lucca would figure out the structure and then say something like "Alright guys I know how to make them the only problem is [ingredient X] which I actually can't conjure into existence via superscience/alchemy. I've checked around on where it comes from and found that legend says it was generated via [process Y], which you might be able to try by going to [location Z] and undergoing [ritual A]." Or something to that effect.
>>5091397Which is fair.Not too late for it to shift to that one, but I hold that if we request it of the QM we can probably hit something off of it with refining them rather than replicating.I don't think it's worth the hill dying on for trying to get Lucca to stop being bullshit for her time period. Reproduction of none really rare materials is basically a given for her.
>>5091366Dude, i can understand not taking the Gravity chamber and leaving it for later, when we visit Earth maybe and Lucca can work with Bulma, but not taking the Tabs is simple insanity.Not only is Lucca herself a genius who damn well knows how powerful those tabs are, even if they drop off later on, but we also have SCHALA who is the one to create the tabs in the first place, and I'm fairly certain she wanted Tabs to become commonplace, mostly to assist people with Degenerative Muscle diseases, or general illness shit that having a stronger body would help with fighting off. Schala would 100% support making it, and what the Waifu would want, she GETS. :VAlso, Spekkio could only give us the items if we beat him because that's just how things are for most Gods, they can't interfere without VERY explicit reasons, like needing to be beaten in order to reward us for our progress, in his case, and again, we have the Original Creator of the Tabs, Schala, in this very room.>>5091397>>5091412I say this one final time, just so you don't miss it in my wall of text because you don't care about it, The Creator Of The Tabs Is Schala.
>>5091438Oh shit, really?Yeah, that clears up the several concerns about production but doesn't address the nature/desire of the anons proposal.He'd like some manner of effort excerted and characterisation met before such a reward.
>>5091186>Tablet Creation Facility>Teleportation Control Center>Extreme Range Scanners As anon said, the Gravity Chamber is too cheap, though it'll probably win anyway. I'm voting for the Tablets in the hope that we'll have to go through a sidequest to make it work and I'll be disappointed if we don't. At the very least we should see Schala and Lucca working together for this, Schala did dream of making them mass-producible for the normies. The Teleportation network is Lucca's dream, and it seems cruel to deny it to her after all she's done and when she's making everything practically by herself. It will also be extremely useful to have an instant way back to Temperus and any other planet we visit and leave a teleporter on. For supplies, if nothing else, since we'll be going through them at an alarming rate. Especially if we also decide to use Enertrons. Leaving the Saiyans ravenously hungry and also being unable to easily resupply sounds like a recipe for famine and disaster. Scanners to make sure we don't miss Freeza.
>>5091460Fair enough.>>5091350I will change my vote from this one to >Tablet creation facilities>Teleportation control>Grav chamber
>>5091460.....That is a very fair point, I will also change my vote from what's here: >>5091211To >Tablet Creation Facility>Teleportation Control Center>Extreme Range Scanners Having teleporters to go back to a planet to resupply instantly from anywhere in he universe is INSANELY good, and I suppose we can just take Frieza's Healing pods and upgrade those with Enertron stuff so it both heals, AND doesn't leave you starving.And we can get the Grav Chamber from Bulma, and upgrade both our own, AND Earth's Grav Chambers to above what we'd get here, thanks to the two greatest natural geniuses in the Universe working together.So, yeah, leaving those for later isn't really putting them back all that far, especially if Lucca apes some of Gero's Infinite Ki generators and uses a shitton of them to power the Black Omen 2.0 she creates even further, so everything is ever better a few years down the line.
>>5091186>Tablet Creation Facilities - Extremely advanced magic and science combine to create a semi-automated creation facility for Tablets. Creating a tablet at a rate of one a day, Lucca seems to believe that the efficiency of the Tablets can be enhanced further.>Teleportation Control Center - A main control center for Lucca's teleportation project. The Control Center will be able to manufacture and store the details of new teleporters, in addition, the Control Center can be used for short-range teleportation from orbit to surface.>Time Travel Capabilities - By stripping out all the parts of the Epoch and recreating them as a sort of time-engine, it is possible for the ship to have the capability to travel back and forth in time. Of course, this is an extremely powerful ability and abusing it could spell disaster for the entire universe.
>>5091476>and I suppose we can just take Frieza's Healing podsGood point. We just have to make sure neither his ship nor Namek blow up and we'll be able to cannibalize it for parts and upgrades as well. It's not like his minions will be able to prevent us from commandeering it. Getting a Gravity Chamber of our own after seeing Bulma's is also a more natural progression.>Black Omen 2.0 We really need to come up for a better name for the ship. Or ask Lucca to name it, it's her baby after all.
>>5091480>New nameThe rising star? Ascending wanderer? The intrepid chronicler?Something that is really connecting with her mission of setting teleportation pads on each world we encounter.
>>5091478>Time Travel Capabilities - By stripping out all the parts of the Epoch and recreating them as a sort of time-engine, it is possible for the ship to have the capability to travel back and forth in time. Of course, this is an extremely powerful ability and abusing it could spell disaster for the entire universe.Dude, NO! That shit is a BAD IDEA, better to stick to the Epoch for small groups only, instead of letting anyone who steals the Black Omen 2. do whatever the fuck they want, WHENEVER the fuck they want, with as many minions as they want to bring! Holy SHIT is that nothing but a BAD IDEA!>>5091480I have no idea what to name it for now, so Black Omen 2.0 it shall be, for now, in my mind.
>>5091186>>Teleportation Control Center - A main control center for Lucca's teleportation project. The Control Center will be able to manufacture and store the details of new teleporters, in addition, the Control Center can be used for short-range teleportation from orbit to surface.>>Tablet Creation Facilities - Extremely advanced magic and science combine to create a semi-automated creation facility for Tablets. Creating a tablet at a rate of one a day, Lucca seems to believe that the efficiency of the Tablets can be enhanced further.>>Time Travel Capabilities - By stripping out all the parts of the Epoch and recreating them as a sort of time-engine, it is possible for the ship to have the capability to travel back and forth in time. Of course, this is an extremely powerful ability and abusing it could spell disaster for the entire universe.
>>5091774WHY ARE YOU RETARDS VOTING FOR TIME TRAVEL?! It's the SINGULAR most USELESS upgrade it could possible fucking get, because then we lose the Epoch, and if ANY ENEMY, EVER, boards the Black Omen 2.0 while it has that, literally EVERYTHING IS FUCKED, UNIVERSE WIDE
>>5091783Should really not let that happen anyway.I hope lucca makes a room for it with gene seals.
>>5091783Agreed holy shit. The thought of some backwater Who or that bitch Towa getting their disgusting, filthy PAWS on our ship fills me with rage. They could just snap in and out of our plane of reality, or wipe out Rettace from existence (and Kachi-Kachi along with the universe by proxy).>>5091822Security like that sounds nice, but I'm afraid of someone getting our genetic DNA fuckin Gero... and being able to use the time travel engine.>>5091186>Advanced Medical Facilities>Tablet Creation FacilitiesTwo that we need immediately. We're definitely going to need the medical facilities if we're going to be training nonstop to kick Frieza's ass. And as for the tablets, those are an excellent pick-me-up for anyone falling behind or needs a head start to train with the crew. Plus, waifu wants it. >Teleportation Control CenterVery powerful utility tool, teleporting to home base on the flip of a switch is underrated. Plus, Lucca deserves something nice for making us a brand new ship FOR FREE. Letting her install her invention is the least we can do to repay her genius.I'm skipping out on most of the other upgrades because we can either do it ourselves (scanners, cloaking, etc.) or a massive security hazard (AI control). As for my argument against the gravity chamber, that massive 1000x multiplier sounds nice, but it takes TIME to use that kind of gravity and not instantly die. we have only 2 months, lets not waste it just yet on gravity mastery (And if we're going meta, Prince Vegeta, who was born and raised on Planet Vegeta, was turning his bones into toothpaste at 400x Earth gravity / 40x Planet Vegeta's gravity during the 3 year timeskip into the beginning of the android saga.)
>>5091783Because I'd rather consolidate it into one ship to keep track of instead of having to keep track of the Epoch AND lucca's ship.And lucca's ship will be able to defend itself infinitely better than the Epoch.
>>5091887...Dude, we can just have the Epoch docked on the New ship, and when we do need it, we can just put it in a capsule, once we reach Bulma and Lucca copies them.
>>5091186>Variable Gravity Chamber - A Gravity Chamber room that goes up to 1000x the Gravity of Planet Temperus... that is to say, 100x the Gravity of Planet Vegeta.>Advanced Medical Facilities - Medical facilities including healing chambers and Enertrons, allowing for rapid recovery from even the worst of wounds as well as ability to go without food, sleep or other basic needs thanks to the Enertrons.>Tablet Creation Facilities - Extremely advanced magic and science combine to create a semi-automated creation facility for Tablets. Creating a tablet at a rate of one a day, Lucca seems to believe that the efficiency of the Tablets can be enhanced further.Everything else is a "would be nice to have but not 100% needed right now" thing.
>>5092017The Grav chamber and Enertrons are something we can get by meeting Bulma on Namek, when we arrive there, and stealing Frieza's Healing pods and upgrading them, the Radar makes missing him on Namek impossible, and the Teleporters are better for constant resupplies because we have so many damn saiyans that Food WILL be an issue unless we get a Farming section eventually.
>>5091366 and >>5091476 have some good points. Changing my vote >>5091198 to>Advanced Medical Facilities>Teleportation Control Center>Cloaking Device
>>5091186>Tablet Creation Facilities - Extremely advanced magic and science combine to create a semi-automated creation facility for Tablets. Creating a tablet at a rate of one a day, Lucca seems to believe that the efficiency of the Tablets can be enhanced further.Something for Schala>Teleportation Control Center - A main control center for Lucca's teleportation project. The Control Center will be able to manufacture and store the details of new teleporters, in addition, the Control Center can be used for short-range teleportation from orbit to surface.Something for Lucca>Variable Gravity Chamber - A Gravity Chamber room that goes up to 1000x the Gravity of Planet Temperus... that is to say, 100x the Gravity of Planet Vegeta.And something for us
>>5092206You double-posted dude.The Cloaking is kinda useless, it's only real use is to avoid accidentally intimidating the planets we land on, Tablets are MUCH more usful, and it's Schala's dream to have them become commonplace, so not having them made is a dick move against Schala.And if you're saying we have good points, *WHY ARE YOU GETTING THE MEDICAL FACILITIES?!* Those are something we DON'T want because we can just take Frieza's and Upgrade them post-Namek!
I believe there's a tie between the grav chamber and the medical facilities.
>>5092668Then I'm gonna switch my third vote in >>5091460 from scanners to grav. Of the two, I prefer this one.
>>5092668What are the other two winning options?
>>5092683By my count, Tablet Creation and Teleporters.
>>5092688OK, good, those two are more important than anything else.
>>5092668If it's a choice between those two, I'd honestly go for the medical facilities over the grav chamber.Hey, quick question Wukong, would the enertrons restore Magical Energy?
>>5092698>would the enertrons restore Magical Energy?They would, yes.
>>5092701In that case, swapping my Scanner vote here:>>5091476To the Medical Facilities
>>5092631>And if you're saying we have good points, *WHY ARE YOU GETTING THE MEDICAL FACILITIES?!* Those are something we DON'T want because we can just take Frieza's and Upgrade them post-Namek!>>5092713>In that case, swapping my Scanner vote here:>>5091476>To the Medical FacilitiesI'm sorry, what?
>>5092715If we can only pick between Grav Chamber and Medical Facilities as our third option, the Medical Facilities are better, because it lets us train for longer.There's really nothing that confusing there, dude.I was against your thing because you replaced both the Tablet Creation and Scanners.
>>5092701Holy shit how could we NOT choose it, then>Heal faster>Don't have to sleep>Instantly restore magical energy, meaning magical training doesn't have to wait for natural rechargingALL IN ON MEDICAL FACILITY LADS
>>5092718>I was against your thingI think you're mixing me up, dude.
>>5092722Ah, my bad, lol, but still, my point stands.
>>5092733We can just upgrade the Enertrons with Frieza's shit once we get there and Lucca sees them, and it'll take less time to upgrade them because we'll already have the base Enertrons set up.
>>5092738I really doubt Freeza's tech will be advanced enough to offer an upgrade over what Lucca makes herself.
>>5092741Frieza's pods don't leave the person healed in it hungry, that's all we really care about upgrading.
>>5092744They also don't do any of the other things that the Enertrons do, like replace the need to sleep. They just accelerate healing. I don't see why you'd expect this property to be transferable.
>>5092755It's LUCCA, she'll be able to make it work. She can probably combine the Healing Fluid with the Enertrons for a somewhat slower healing process, but also not being stuck with the Hunger, making it overall more effective.
>>5092741Also, just because they're not as good as Enertrons at healing and restoring energy, doesn't mean it's useless, examples of different technology will enhance what she has, simply because she now knows of another way she can Upgrade things, it doesn't need to be as good, because Lucca will make literally anything she touches better, she's like fucking King Midas, but with Technology.
I'm not entirely sure, but I think it's still a tie between Grav and Med.
>>5093036Honestly, at this point, either break the tie yourself, or roll a D2 to see which wins. They're both great, so whichever wins doesn't really matter, though I'd hope for the Med, of course.
Rolled 2 (1d2)See what we got then...Grav 1 Med 2
>>5093088Fuck yeah medbaySo thats the medical facility, teleporters, and tablets, right?
>>5093114That is correct.
>>5093115>>5093114Yesssssss~! Would have preferred Scanners so we made sure we don't miss Namek, but I suppose we should be fine with the ship being as fast as it is, and asking for directions along the way, and the Med-bay will be good for extending training as long as our stomachs can allow
>>5093119Cant we just ask the average space joe where the empire's main HQ is? Frieza doesnt seem to be the type of person to hide, so all we have to do is fly to his house and have lizard for dinner
>>5093137Wait, continuing on from this, once we kill frieza, what's next? Do we wipe out his empire and any remaining loyalists from existence, or are we just going to seize control? Or maybe we can take what we want from his empire and leave it to collapse. Can Rettace even run an empire?
>>5093137Nah, he's already gonna be on his way to Namek I'm pretty sure. If we ask for directions to Frieza, we'd probably be told he's "on a trip of some sort."
>>5093138.....That... Is something to decide later, but we'd probably do something, at least.
I can't stop thinking about how god damn good the medical facility is as an option, for the SINGULAR fact that it restores MP. The physical healing just makes it even better.We're going to have a real easy time expanding our magical repitoir and creating Dual Techs, Triple Techs, and maybe more with our allies.And hunger? Hunger just counts as mental fortitude training. Conquer your most base of instincts.
>>5093137>ask the average space joe where the empire's main HQ is?You want to run into King Cold first? Unlike Freeza he's stable at close to his full power. I'd estimate at least 100M, probably closer to 110M.
>>5093139Wait, maybe Kami would know where Frieza is. When our ship is ready to fly, we should take a pit stop to Onisthena II and ask him where the emperor could be. And also tell him that we killed the ugly space barnacle.>>5093170Shit, Cold's gonna be PISSED when we kill his son. Hopefully if we ever meet him, we could take him out too.
>>5093154Good points, and we can always use the Teleporters to go to Ayla's time and kill the same dinosaur multiple times with the Epoch for food, like Lucca did for Sun Stones.
>>5093137iirc, the location of Freeza's homeworld is not widely known. Turles has been looking for it for a long time. Freeza is constantly on the move with his spaceship.>>5093138Why would we want an Empire? It's just boring busywork if you're not a villain. We'll be much better off spending our time with our waifu, our friends, and training to beat the next threat that's gonna threaten what we want to protect.We should just let the Empire collapse after Cooler and King Cold come to avenge Freeza and die. The universe doesn't need an Emperor.>>5093183Yeah, we should visit Onisthena and leave a teleporter there too. It's only an 18 day trip with Lucca's new ship. Kami would also be able to help Schala with her powers, probably even more than he helped us. And the Queen will be happy to see the progress of her children, even if Sycam still doesn't have a girlfriend.>>5093188Or we could just buy our food like normal people. The kingdom of Guardia is prospering, we won't cause a famine or anything.Wait, we don't actually have any money. And I don't think there's anything left on the planet we can beat up for spare cash like proper murderhobo adventurers. Maybe we should ask Schala if Zeal had a treasury in the Ocean Palace that we can loot. We'll be visiting it anyway for spare parts.
>>5093224>>5093188Step 1: Learn Magic Materialization.Step 2: Materialize food by converting Magical Energy into physical food.Step 3: Recover mana with the Enertron.Step 4: Eat.
>>5093486.....I assume that having an affinity for Creation Magic makes that easier, so Khive is probably gonna become a Food Dispenser/Vending Machine. :V
Scanning through the blueprints for a while before you finally come to a decision, you weigh your options carefully... the two things you absolutely know you need to get were the facilities that would allow you to manufacture more of the tablets that originated from the Kingdom of Zeal... while your own power level wouldn't really see much of an impact from the Strength Tablets at this point, that didn't mean that the Speed or Magic Tablets were any less useful to you... and it might just be possible to improve the efficiency of the Strength Tablets so that you'd see more of an effect from ingesting the damn things... though even as they were, the ability to immediately raise somebody's power by an entire four thousand points was incredible. While you had grown strong enough that such a raise wasn't the massive increase in power to you anymore that it would have once been, just taking a few of them would put even the weakest of people on the same level as what you once believed to be an elite Saiyan! Of course, it wasn't just the facilities to create tablets that intrigued you, no, you were also interested in Lucca's design for a central control area for her teleporters. Not only would that contain the tools that Lucca would need to effectively automate the creation of new teleporters, but it would also contain the ability to have the ship use short-range teleporters to move people to and from the ship without requiring two-way teleportation. Something like that would completely remove the ship's requirement for something like shuttles or otherwise small craft in order to land on planets without... well, needing to land the entire ship on the planet... and when you saw just how large that Lucca's designs for the ship were making it out to be, it was obvious that landing was going to be incredibly impractical in most situations... unless you find a sufficiently advanced planet with good enough facilities to land a colossal ship at.
Of course, that just led you to the last of the optional additions... and you found yourself at something of an impasse. You could choose either the variable gravity chamber, and see just how much of an effect that training at a higher gravity than normal would have on the growth of you and your allies' strength... or you could have Lucca focus her efforts on the creation and installation of a higher grade of medical facilities for the ship, notably, the inclusion of Enertrons, which... according to the plans, enabled for the body to recover from fatigue as well as most injuries rapidly by exciting cellular activity in the body of the person within the Enertron through exterior electrical currents... unfortunately, even if this would theoretically allow somebody to last an indefinite amount of time without food, the body would still suffer from the illusion that it did all the work on itself that the Enertron did. This of course had the terrible effect of tricking the body into thinking that it was actually starving, and while it was only a psychological effect, it was still apparently horrible to experience... you hoped that Lucca will be able to remove that particular side-effect from the device, for a normal person, going hungry was bad... but for a Saiyan? A Saiyan lost a tremendous amount of their battle power if they were hungry. Of course, this could probably be offset by having a large supply of food for the people using the Enertrons to eat, but... you'd definitely need a massive amount of food if the resting and medical facilities were enough to drive anybody using them to a false sense of starvation!"Alright Lucca, I've made up my mind, I'd like for you to include the Medical Facilities, as well as the Teleportation Control Center and the Tablet Creation Facilities." You pushed the blueprints back towards the engineer girl, and she scanned over them in silence for a moment."Oh? You want to make more Tablets?" Schala was the one to speak now. "But... do you have the right ingredients for that? I know that as a base, Tablets need the blossom of a special flower that I only remember growing in high magic environments... like back on Zeal." That... could be a problem, but surely Lucca's already got a solution to that?"That's not a worry, I've already got an ingredient list for the tablets... though we might need a few seeds for those flowers... I've been looking around for them in the current era... but I've not been having much luck." The girl shrugged. "I was planning on using an artificially created substitute for the base though." Lucca sounded as if she had something of an alternative, but Schala shook her head.
"An alternate base wouldn't work... nobody was ever able to substitute out the Zeal Blossoms... and the Queen had something of a monopoly on them... You've not been able to find them because the magic density of this era... well, it's not high enough for the seeds to flourish, and they probably all died out... you can make Panacea from what's around in this era with the available plant-life, but without Zeal Blossoms, you're not going to be able to make Tablets... and the only place I can think that might have the Blossoms is... well, it fell into the ocean already... or... well..." Schala seemed to lose herself in her own thoughts."Well...?" Lucca asked with a raised eyebrow."The Black Omen should still have a botany area... and with any luck, we'd be able to find the seeds there... though after thousands of years without being unattended... I dread to think of just what sort of things would've ended up growing within that area." Schala suddenly clenched her fist. "But... I'm sure that together, no matter what's lurking inside the Black Omen, we'll be able to defeat it!" "Well, that's basically a guarantee. Unless there's a plant stronger than Lavos lurking in Zeal's greenhouse, I'm pretty confident in my ability to handle anything that could be in the Black Omen." Honestly, what's the worst that could be down there anyway? A few mutants? Maybe a few robotic defense systems that are still active? "I know that you're strong, Rettace... but... it's best not to get complacent. For as strong as you are, there are some magical traps that'll ignore just how strong you are if you get hit by them... so it's still dangerous." Well, even if they were theoretically dangerous to you if you got hit, you were hundreds of times faster than you'd need to be in order to dodge whatever the automated defenses might have in store for you."I'll keep that in mind, of course... but I think you're just worrying too much." You decided it might be an idea to keep up something like a small barrier of energy around yourself... just in case. Better to be safe than sorry, after all."Well... if you're really certain about the fact that we're going to need to get this plant from the Black Omen... should I start making preparations for us to go there now? Robo and I need to get back there in order to salvage some parts anyway... though we can always do it later in the year, the construction of the ship is gonna take quite some time, after all." Lucca asked you, and you quickly decided.>>What will Rettace decide?>To go now, better to get it out of the way.>To go later in the year (Timeskip Choices)>Other(Write-in)
>>5093738>To go now, better to get it out of the way
Wukong, if we vote for the timeskip now, do we start skipping time immediately? We still have to track down Ayla, say goodbye to her and Glenn, see how Parzlee and Khive are doing when they wake up and maybe more things that I can't think of right now. Also, will we be seeing scenes from those ten months in Temperus, other than the dungeon crawl, or will it be just a straight skip to the end like the previous ones?
>>5093776This'll just be the choices for the time skip, then I'll write a longer update to tie up the current loose ends.
>>5093738>>To go now, better to get it out of the way.
>>5093738>>Other(Write-in)>>To go later in the year (No Timeskip yet)As Lucca said, there's no reason to rush to the sunken Black Omen, and we don't know where it is anyway. But I don't want to start timeskipping yet. We still have some things to do today, and I don't think one long update will be enough.
>>5093738>Get it out of the way
>>5093738>Other(Write-in)>We still need to go find Ayla, let's get her, then tell the others, so we can all go together, no point risking getting caught in a trap with so few of us. >To go later in the year (Timeskip Choices)
>>5093738>To go later in the year (Timeskip Choices)
"You know what? Why don't we just go there now? It could be fun!" You weren't exactly doing much else right now, and now that Lucca's plans for the spaceship had been discussed and you'd decided on which of her plans you wanted to go for, you were in truth... kind of bored. After the earlier adrenaline pumping action of the fight against Parzlee and the thrill of unlocking a power greater than you would've once thought possible... you found yourself craving an opportunity to test your abilities against an opponent not so monstrously strong that your newfound power was barely enough to even the odds. It was a little petty, you supposed, to want to fight against enemies far weaker than you were in order to truly put your new power to the test, but... what good was having incredible strength if it didn't feel like you were strong? "W-what? Right now? But... do you even have a good way to get into the Black Omen? Surely you're not just planning on... holding your breath, I hope? I haven't even made any respirators yet!" Lucca shook her head, seems like she was against the idea. "You're going to have to wait a few weeks before we go through with any expeditions to the sunken Omen, OK? That'll give me enough time to formulate an entrance plan, as well as create the equipment you'll need to actually succeed on going down there. I doubt that there's going to be much in the way of breathable oxygen...""Actually..." Schala joined the conversation, and Lucca gave her a look that could only be summed up as 'Oh no, not again' though Schala was unperturbed by Lucca's reaction to her intrusion to the conversation. "The Black Omen should actually still have a breathable atmosphere, it was created with the idea of traveling the stars for thousands of years... and the atmospheric composition was taken care of by automated magic systems... crystals that produce breathable air passively, if I remember correctly." Schala's knowledge of the magical technology of Zeal was coming in incredibly helpful at this point... you imagined that Magus would only have a small amount of knowledge when it came to the functioning of Zeal's technology, he was only a boy when Zeal fell, after all. Of course, Melchior, Gaspar and... whoever the third Guru was would have a massive amount of knowledge too, but it's clear that Schala has been privy to a good deal of secrets that are beyond even the Gurus."Oh...? That's... very useful..." Lucca looked at her plans, and began scrawling something down and muttering to herself as she did. "Life Support Systems... may be supplemented with... magical crystals..." She was more interested in the existence of such magic crystals than she was with the topic at hand, but Schala coughed in order to regain the genius girl's attention, which was swiftly being drained into the dozens of plans she had laid out in front of her. "Oh... you weren't finished?"
"As a matter of fact, I wasn't. Getting into the Black Omen... it might be just a little bit easier than you think." Schala seemed pleased with herself about something, but the genius sitting opposite her seemed kind of stumped."Huh? What are you talking about, Schala? Do you know of a remaining way within the Black Omen that has lasted into this era?" It quickly dawned on you just what Schala was getting at, if her abilities could only be used to visit a place that she had seen before, then... didn't that mean...?"Yes. Me." The girl answered with a certain amount of restrained smugness, and Lucca tilted her head for a moment before Schala held out one of her hands and started to gather her magic energy. "I pray you don't forget the power of Time-Space Magic in the future, Miss Lucca." The energy gathered into the palm of her hand started to take form, before she threw it forwards and shouted the name of the spell. "Portal!" On her command, a circular disk of energy opened up in space, creating an opaque passageway between Lucca's house and what you presumed to be the Black Omen, deep underneath the ocean, and Lucca was startled for a moment before regaining her cool."Ah. I had forgotten you had the ability to create openings between points in space... but are you sure that this portal is safe? It has been thousands of years since anybody has set foot in the Black Omen." The girl was quick to ponder on the safety of such a portal, and Schala sighed. There was of course no harm in being cautious... and it was quite clear that Lucca was the sort of person who wasn't entirely trusting of concepts that she couldn't both understand and replicate, and leaping straight into a many thousands of years old super weapon was of course dangerous."All diagnostics indicate that the portal is safe." Robo answered Lucca instead. "For one, we haven't suddenly been flooded, and I can also detect that the flow of air from this opening is... similar to the atmospheric composition of the room we currently occupy... even if the air from beyond the portal is a little... stale." Robo gave the all clear before he stepped towards the portal himself. "However, in order to make sure that my analysis is correct, I will enter the portal first. I do not believe anybody will argue with my superior survival capabilities." Of course, arguing that would be ridiculous, Robo didn't need oxygen at all, and was immune to a good deal of things that could easily incapacitate a living being, gas, poison, extreme temperatures, drowning... being a mechanical lifeform clearly had its advantages. Robo didn't hesitate or wait for Lucca's go-ahead, and simply stepped through the portal without waiting a moment more.
"Well... I suppose that this does give me a chance to get some good information on the Black Omen. Proper schematics and plans will only serve to make the ship I'm designing better." Lucca admitted that going to the Black Omen this early was beneficial after all. "That's not even mentioning the fact that with any luck, we'll be able to get these Zeal Blossoms." She was really coming round to the idea now. "I just hope... that we don't run into anything that we can't deal with.""I'm hundreds of times more powerful than the last time you saw what I was capable of, Lucca. As I am right now, I doubt that even Lavos himself would've been able to defeat me in single battle." You wouldn't even need to rely on Kachi-Kachi's power to destroy Lavos, you'd likely be able to wipe out the monster in a single blast now! Well... perhaps not thanks to that indestructible shell... It was kind of a shame that you didn't get any samples of Lavos' shell, you were certain that the wondrous material would be perfect for the construction of a ship... but considering just how dangerous Lavos was when it came to the manipulation of DNA, it was perhaps a good thing that the beast was entirely obliterated. You didn't doubt that Lavos would be capable of something like keeping its own sense of self contained within a small fragment of its body."Still... strength alone... it's not everything. As strong as you are, you'd still end up succumbing to a powerful poison, or a disease." Lucca warned you, but you just shrugged. You were already well aware that just because you had gained a large amount of physical power, it didn't make you invincible. You weren't going to start fighting carelessly now that you were capable of overpowering the majority of your foes. Such a style of fighting completely disregarded the philosophy with which you approached battle. Power was something to control, to use as a tool, it was not something to be controlled by. You were the master of your own power! Which was why that power of hatred you had felt was such a terrifying one, it took your own control away, subverting it with... something else. While you had sworn off that power... if you were truly desperate... and it was the difference between you and all that you cared for disappearing... you could see yourself being forced to rely on using it. Though you hoped that the power of a Super Saiyan would be enough that it wasn't necessary to rely on that power hidden within you."I know that. Complacency in battle is a good way to be defeated." Even if you do overpower an enemy, you knew that if you let power go to your head, you'd end up getting sloppy, and that would lead to mistakes, and mistakes... well, they could lead to losing battles that you should win.
Before you could say any more on the matter, Robo returned from the portal. "It is... clear. In fact, the lighting even still functions!" Unexpected, but... a boon, to be sure. If the ship still managed to maintain at least some semblance of functionality after all this time, it meant that Lucca's analysis of the vessel would only serve to make the one she is designing even better!"Excellent. Then let's not waste any time." But... as you looked at the portal, you wondered just how you ought to go about exploring the Black Omen. Between you, Schala, Mayonne, Lucca and Robo... you weren't exactly at full power right now, but... at the same time, you believed that with the exception of Schala, everyone was more than powerful enough to look after themselves. So... you got to thinking whether it might be a good idea to split up and look individually...>>What will Rettace do?>Split up into 4 groups, but stay with Schala.>Don't split up, it's not like this is time sensitive or anything.>Other(Write-in)
>>5095585>Don't split up, it's not like this is time sensitive or anything.Don't split the party
>>5095597Support.Together we are at our most powerful
>>5095585>Don't split up, it's not like this is time sensitive or anything.Kind of a shame we got here immediately, it would be a good opportunity for Schala to get some experience and show off her new moves after she gets /fit/. Maybe we should have a date on an easier dungeon in a few months?
>>5095585>Don't split up, it's not like this is time sensitive or anything.>While you're here, take the time to ask Mayonne about the details of their shapeshifting. Do they gain all of the physical abilities of what they shapeshift to? A bat's echolocation, a snake's venom, or maybe even a Saiyan's innate abilities? Or is it merely a shell that changes appearance?
>>5095585>Don't split up, it's not like this is time sensitive or anything
>>5095585>Don't split up, it's not like this is time sensitive or anything.>>5095655And this is why the party is NEVER split unless it's solid, pre-planned groups.
Sorry about not updating that much over the past few days, the run-up to Christmas is very busy for me.Also, did you know that Goku defeats Freeza on Christmas Eve, so the spacefaring people of the Dragonball Universe likely celebrate the 24th/25th?
>>5096757I understand completely. Spend as much time as you need with your folks for Christmas.>Goku defeats Frieza on Christmas EveHuh. The more you know.
>>5096757No worries, no worries! Perfectly reasonable!>Also, did you know that Goku defeats Freeza on Christmas Eve...I did not. I was probably told that before, and promptly forgot it, as it didn't register then. Neat.
>>5096757>Goku defeats Freeza on Christmas EveOh. That's neat. Merry Christmas, and happy Death to Tyrants Day!Your fortune: Your heart is two sizes too small.
May as well find out what my Christmas Fortune is.Your fortune: You're getting a lump of coal in your stocking!
>>5096980I demand you reconsider, Santa.Your fortune: Blessed Yule!
>>5096980You better not runYou better not hideSanta's coming for you tonight>>5096981Huh, that was easy. Now, let's try rerolling mine.Your fortune: It's going to be a white Christmas!
>>5096980Oh my. Fortunes?
>>5096996Christmas thing, Type "fortune" in the options box.Your fortune: Happy Kwanzaa!
>>5097041Looks like it needs some text.Your fortune: Bah! Humbug.
>>5097042. . . Yeah. Sounds about right.
"There's not much point in us splitting up, we don't exactly know what could be in stock for us in this place, but we do have a great deal of time to explore the ship. Besides, I'm sure that Schala has a good enough idea as to the layout of the ship." It made sense that Schala would know about the general floor plan of Zeal's greatest invention, but judging from her relatively uncertain expression... it looked like the opposite might be true.Schala sighed, clearly disappointed in herself for not knowing more. "Well... I didn't exactly explore the Ocean Palace a great deal... my mother did try to keep me out, in case I attempted to meddle in it to some degree. I'm aware of... some of the ship from the time I was here... but I was purposely kept unaware of anything like a blueprint of the ship, as well as anything more than the more basic security measures... while I doubt there's anything here on this ship that could prove to be a threat to Rettace if he's on his guard... I don't actually know what my mother has in store for us." It wasn't too much of a loss that Schala wasn't a true authority on the Black Omen, but... it could prove troublesome if you were blindsided by some unexpected trap. The fact that the Black Omen was still apparently powered after so long was a bad omen... you could even call it a black omen, if you were feeling whimsical. Wiping the idiotic grin from your face at your private joke, you refocused. "It's not a problem, if we just stick together, I'm sure that we won't have too much difficulty, I'm not exactly expecting much competition when it comes to a direct contest of power, and I'll just dodge any traps. Speed is sort of my specialty at this point." Well, speed and fighting with trickery, but... there wasn't much use for fighting with trickery against an inanimate foe like an automated defense system, perhaps if a true artificial intelligence ran the place, but... as far as you could tell, things in the Black Omen were all taken care of by the traps on an autonomous individual basis. You briefly wondered how the security measures were supposed to differentiate friend from foe, but it was likely through some sort of magical attunement to the vessel. You imagined that people like Queen Zeal or Dalton would be fine if they were wandering through the halls of the Omen, but it was a very different story for unknowns and people who the queen clearly considered a potential threat like Schala... though there was a chance that Robo's lack of any true life sign would allow him not to actually register to the security at all! It depended on whether or not it determined threat based on motion or through life-detection... but again, it probably didn't matter.
"You're probably right. Splitting up is always a bad idea, sticking together always worked out well enough for us when we were trying to save the future, so I'm not exactly sure why we'd start now." Lucca shrugged, happy to stick together as you explored the Omen. It was definitely for the best that you stuck together, even if you were powerful enough to deal with whatever might be in the Omen all by yourself, it was possible, but unlikely, that Robo, Lucca or Mayonne alone could find themselves overpowered by some wayward Zeal science project that had been left in the Omen for thousands of years. There was really no telling just what might be found down here in the remnants of what was meant to be Queen Zeal's ultimate masterpiece."Then it's settled. Let's go." Not wanting to spend any more time just standing around and discussing things, you took a step through Schala's portal, swiftly finding yourself standing in a somewhat dimly lit room, the floor seemed to be made out of some reflective dark substance. If it was metal, it was truly remarkable that it had not only not decayed at all in so long, but it had also retained a luster as if it had only just been polished a few hours ago. The ship was quite cold, oddly enough, a bitter wind was blowing through the ship's large corridors... how was that possible? Was the ship exposed to the wind somehow? But... weren't you deep under the ocean? Odd, to be sure.As you ignored the chill of the wind, you saw Mayonne come through the portal, followed by Lucca, then Robo, and finally Schala. The portal snapped shut behind the girl when she came through, apparently no longer seeing a need to keep it open now that everyone had come through... or maybe she was unable to keep a portal open after she had traveled through it? It... probably didn't matter, really. You could always ask her later. "Alright, Robo. Don't forget to scan as much as you're able. This could get us some pretty great data to look through later!" Lucca reminded her robotic ally, who nodded."Of course. The data from this construct will be vital to the creation of our own ship, that much is clear. Even the material composition of the floor is incredible! It's as if it has been woven out of magic itself..." The Black Omen was seemingly amazing enough to even give a robotic being like Robo a true sense of wonder. To you though, the floor was just a floor. Shiny it might be, you didn't think that it was strong enough to withstand a full strength blow from your maximum power... though you might need to rely on becoming a Super Saiyan if you truly wanted to do a lot of damage... at least that's what you thought based on testing the floor by trying to exert your power downwards upon the metallic floor.
"Come on, you can get all the data you need later, right now, we're looking for... the botany department, right?" You looked at Schala for confirmation, and she nodded. May as well get looking, seeing as Schala wasn't aware of the ship's actual design... but wait... "Hold on, this ship definitely has a botany department, right?" You just wanted to make sure that Schala wasn't just leading you on a wild chase looking for something that didn't exist."That I know for certain. I'm not entirely clueless of this place, I know some of what's within it, and my mother didn't exactly feel the need to hide something so basic from me." Made sense, though it was quite worrying that Schala didn't know about the true secrets the ship might have in stock for you."Alright, then let's keep moving." You had already managed to cover some ground, and though you hadn't encountered anything yet... you were sensing something... strange. As if there was a huge Ki Signature ahead that... also felt small. You held out your hand, stopping anybody from going any further. "I... feel something strange.""You do?" Lucca tilted her head, before she raised a hand up to her helmet, pressed a button on the side of it, and... it made a characteristic beeping noise as the half visor she had attached to her helmet lit up... her own scouter design, you were sure. "Huh... that is strange... I'm getting... what feels like tens of thousands... or maybe hundreds of thousands of readings of power levels!" You activated your own scouter, and found what she was saying to be accurate. "Ranging from... 50-500 each... but why are they so small? It's almost like..." Lucca didn't get to finish speaking as Robo suddenly clanked forwards."Warning! Unknown Lifeform approaching!" Robo suddenly alerted you to the approach of something, and you prepared for a fight as... a strange slime substance crawled towards you."What the hell...?" You were shocked to see the odd goo crawling forwards, but nowhere near as shocked as Lucca, who gasped in almost gleeful surprise."Oh! It's... it's some sort of hive-mind based lifeform! I don't know what could've formed it, but... it's like a colony of lifeforms, each counting as an individual... but at the same time part of a single whole!" She sounded very happy to see something like this, even if it looked kind of disgusting."So you're saying that... that slime is alive!?" Well, you already knew that based on your own ability to sense energy, as well as your Scouter's readout, but... it was still a bizarre creature... and... could such a comparatively tiny being really have such power?"Well... sort of. I can't really tell. It might not even be hostile! Maybe... we should try talking to it?" Lucca sounded as if she was allowing herself to get carried away with her own scientific curiosity.
"Can't we just get rid of it? I've never met anything that crawled towards me ominously that ended up just wanting a chat." Mayonne shook his head, clearly prepared to attack the odd slime-like creature.>>What will Rettace say?>"Yeah, screw it. I'm not gonna try talking to some magic slime.">"I'll give it a warning, if it doesn't stop approaching, I'm gonna blast it.">"You know what? Let's try talking I'll let you take care of uh... trying to talk to it, Lucca..">Other (Write-in)
>>5097101>>"You know what? Let's try talking I'll let you take care of uh... trying to talk to it, Lucca..">Make sure it understands that we won't accept any hostile actions, I guess? You'll need to translate whatever it speaks before anything.
>>5097101>Use your future vision to determine its intentions. Blast it first if it plans to attack. Let Lucca do the talking if it's not hostile.
Oh yeah, what's my fortune?Your fortune: Happy Festivus!
>>5097124Sure. We have 5 seconds future sight, so when Lucca talks to it, we can determine its intentions before leaping to her aid.
>>5097101>"I'll give it a warning, if it doesn't stop approaching, I'm gonna blast it."Your fortune: You're getting a lump of coal in your stocking!
You had an... idea. You still had the ability to peer about 5 seconds into the future at will, so... if you just used that... it'll be fine to at least let Lucca experiment with this strange being, right? There's no harm in letting her at least attempt to communicate with the creature, and... as unlikely as it might feel, there was a slim chance that whatever this thing was, it wasn't hostile! But... considering where exactly it was right now, you highly doubted that this odd being wasn't an enemy, so you prepared yourself to blast it away the moment you foresaw it making any sort of move against Lucca."Alright Lucca, go ahead... I think it's safe... just don't be careless, alright?" You didn't want to alert anybody to the fact that you were planning to use your foresight abilities to observe the future before it happened, it might be a bit of a pain to explain things if you suddenly blew the creature away without warning, but... it was better than potentially allowing Lucca to get hurt by the odd hivemind-like being. After all, even if it was weak individually, together, it was theoretically even more powerful than you! But... for that to be true it would need to know about Ki, and considering that the people of this world seemed to have no knowledge of Ki, you really doubted that it would use anything more than its natural power."You can't be serious." Mayonne was less than pleased with your choice, but he just shrugged. "Well, whatever. You do what you think is best... but I'm telling you, this thing gives me the creeps, and I used to hang around with a bunch of guys who thought that skeletons and flaking paint were the peak of decor." Mayonne decided to hang back, clearly just as ready to blast the slime creature as you were... of course, seeing as you planned on observing its response to Lucca, you'd have an advantage in reaction time... by a massive amount.
"Ah... alright then. Here goes nothing..." Lucca took a step forwards, moving closer to the slime creature while trying not to appear as a threat. "Good uh... morning." She addressed the slime-like substance, which turned from a colorless translucent texture to a deep crimson red, before it started to wobble. "You... you might not be able to understand me, but... my name is Lucca, my friends and I haven't come here to be your enemy." You kept peering into the future, five seconds at a time, but... over and over again, nothing was happening, the slime seemed content to just... wobble and change color, though it did seem to be gathering together, so, at the expense of your own health, you kept peering into the future. By the 6th time you peered five seconds into the future, you were really starting to get a migraine. It was alright for one or two uses, or even three at a push, but... continually forcing your ability to see into the future over and over again was... really not good for you. "Can you understand me?" Lucca asked the creature again, and... unexpectedly... she received a response."Can you understand me?" Her own voice echoed around the room, though it clearly wasn't her voice's echo, it was... louder, for one, wait was that the slime? This thing is... really damn strange. You were still guarded, but... you were really starting to get a headache from abusing your ability to view the future now."Incredible... it's... mimicking me!" Lucca was very much impressed by the apparently not entirely mindless creature. "It must've been down here for all this time... devoid of a way of learning..." Spending thousands of years as a barely aware blob of matter sounded pretty damn nightmarish to you, but... was it really so bad if you weren't aware of anything else? At least this confirmed that there weren't exactly any more denizens still living aboard the Black Omen... or at least that there wasn't anything living in an area that this slime substance could access."Pfft, so what? Shapeshifting isn't hard, and..." Mayonne coughed, clearing his throat. "Impersonating a voice is even easier." Mayonne for some reason chose your voice to impersonate, and... you had to admit, it was a pretty spot on imitation... even if you found yourself kind of annoyed at being impersonated."Shut up for a second..." Lucca spoke quickly to Mayonne, before she refocused on the slime, which was now moving to form a singular lump, slowly shifting away from the walls to form a singular blob of mass. You really didn't like whatever it was doing, but... after the tenth attempt at looking into the future, it still hadn't made any outright hostile moves, so... you stopped peering into what has yet to come, you had hit your limit when it came to that particular ability... so your limit was about ten uses before it started becoming too much for you to cope with.
The slime started to rise up, taking a new form as it seemingly faced Lucca, until after a few seconds, it... changed entirely. Becoming a red figure that was oddly enough in Lucca's shape... had it taken umbrage towards Mayonne's comment about shapeshifting? Or was it entirely coincidental? "You... Royal?" It looked at Lucca, taking a step towards the girl, who you could tell was just a little scared now. Clearly, not even Lucca had been expecting the situation to develop in a matter like this, the creature had perfectly mimicked her shape, but... the texture of its body was uniform, shining translucent red. You were strongly considering attacking, but... you left things up to Lucca."Uh..." Lucca didn't seem to understand what she was meant to do now, her previous theories about the creature had likely been proven wrong by its sudden change of form... was this thing a part of the defenses after all? Or just some science experiment that had gone wrong over thousands of years of captivity? It was... seemingly intelligent enough to understand speech though."Then... if not royal... destroy?" The creature suddenly took another step forwards, and Lucca took a few steps back now. Looks like this was going to turn into a fight after all, and despite the creature's individual lack of strength per glob that made it up, together, its physical strength was likely even greater than yours! Good thing it doesn't seem to be able to use Ki.>>What will Rettace do?>Cut it in half with a Ki Blade.>Blast it away with a Mirror Wave.>Tear it to pieces with a Spacial Warp Punch.>Go Super Saiyan and pulverize it in close quarters.>See if it has a different reaction to Schala, but remain on your guard. >Other (Write-in)
>>5097964>"We are with royalty. Schala.">Power up mirror waveBeing a hivemind, you need to destroy the constituent parts rather than cut it in half.
>>5097964>See if it has a different reaction to Schala, but remain on your guard.Be prepared to Mirror Wave it if it even looks at Schala wrong.
>>5097964>See if it has a different reaction to Schala, but remain on your guard.
>>5097964>>See if it has a different reaction to Schala, but remain on your guard.
"Schala... if it's interested in royalty... could it perhaps be referring to you?" It was a long shot when you thought about it, but considering that Schala, Magus and Queen Zeal herself were likely the only royals that could possibly be recognized by this creature, it was at least a possibility. Of course, that would imply that this creature was somehow thousands of years old, and had managed to survive down here in the inactive Black Omen for all that time! Perhaps it was sustained by the ambient magic of the surrounding area? It's not as if there was likely to be all too much in the way of food to eat... not unless the botanical part of the Omen was far larger and more advanced than you were imagining right now."Mmmm... maybe. But... what exactly should I say to it?" Schala sounded a little unsure about confronting the slime-like creature. It was obviously dangerous, that much was clear to even people who couldn't sense Ki like Schala, and it seemed like the sort of being that could turn violent in an instant. Even if it did have some semblance of higher intelligence to it, right now, it had shown itself to be terribly primitive regardless... though if you were correct in your theory, that was likely a result of the thousands of years of isolation."I don't know, tell it that you're the princess? It might recognize you?" You didn't really know yourself, in fact, you didn't even really think that this was going to work in the first place, but you may as well attempt to go for a solution other than basic violence. For one thing, acting rashly and fighting with your full power in the interior of the vessel could endanger the structural integrity of the entire Black Omen, and that would completely ruin any future attempts at salvage. You also didn't want to race into every challenge by attempting to just attempt to overpower an enemy and force it into submission. While you were still a Saiyan, and you did enjoy a good fight, you also understood that sometimes, a simple fight was not the best solution for a problem... this strange being is likely quite familiar with the layout of the ship, and it might be beneficial to ally yourself with it."Why would it recognize me? I've never seen this thing in my life!" Schala argued, the red silhouette of Lucca was tilting its head in you and Schala's direction as you spoke about it, and Schala was clearly getting just as creeped out by the creature as Lucca was. There was just something... terribly off-putting about the appearance of the slime, the fact that it had taken Lucca's form but in an imperfect manner was something that unnerved even you.
"Just... try, alright? It must've been made by somebody from Zeal, right? It might recognize you from some... imprinted memory?" You just made that up, but if it was looking for royalty, Schala was really your best bet. Unless you had missed something seriously important about Robo and he was actually the prince of robots or something... but you doubted that."Alright, fine..." Schala didn't sound convinced at all as she stepped forwards to approach the strange creature, and she stared at the Lucca silhouette where its eyes would be... if it actually had any. "Hello... odd creature... I am Princess Schala, first Princess of Zeal and first in line to the Throne of the Floating Kingdom. You wish to see a Royal? Then your request has been granted." She put on a regal sounding voice as she addressed the slime. Clearly the result of a good deal of etiquette training being put to use. "What is it you wish of me?""Princess... Schala?" The slime started to shift again, before it took her form, and it startled her enough to make her take a step backwards. The shape it had taken was far more accurate than the shape it had taken when it copied Lucca, though it was still colorless and without proper form, the replication of her body even had her hair appear to be correct, strands of pure red hair instead of the goopy simulacrum that made up its 'hair' when it was transformed into Lucca."You know, if this thing wasn't so intriguing, I'd probably be insulted." Lucca shook her head as she compared the quality of her duplicate to Schala's own. You didn't blame her, compared to what the creature had done for Schala, the copy of Lucca's form it had taken was simplistic and fake-looking... like some sort of figurine that had been left near a flame for too long."That's right. I am Princess Schala... are you familiar with me?" Schala had a weak smile on her face as she attempted to project confidence at the bizarre creature, though if it really cared about the emotions she was attempting to project, it wasn't showing it."Familiar... Familiar..." The creature's vocabulary was still simplistic, but it was seemingly growing more and more coherent by the moment. Perhaps the interaction with actual stimulating surroundings was responsible for this apparent rapid growth in its intelligence? You couldn't exactly feel any other life signature on the ruins of the vessel besides this being, so... maybe it was simply dormant? It could be that it is waking up slowly. "Have heard... Zeal... Schala... Zeal..." It almost appeared that it was trying to remember something. "You... follow. Princess!" The slime creature demanded, and it began to move rapidly down the corridor with a slithering sound, it wasn't actually even bothering to move its legs to walk, instead simply sliding down the halls.
"Well... looks like we have a lead at least." You sighed as you took a step forwards, patting Schala on the shoulder reassuringly before taking off after the slime creature. It was moving fast, but not fast enough that it was difficult for even Schala to keep up with it. A few minutes of running after the slime later, and you started to truly appreciate just how large the Black Omen was, you hadn't turned a single corridor in all the time that you were racing after the slime, yet you still couldn't really see an end to the hall. Queen Zeal clearly had something of a taste for needless grandeur... though that much was obvious simply from the layout of the Kingdom she once ruled. The kingdom was incredibly impractical... which now that you thought about things, was probably true of the Omen itself. Queen Zeal was clearly no spaceship designer, and while there was no doubt that the ship was of the highest quality despite that, it would be less thanks to a good design, and more through just being huge and powered by a source of limitless energy, like Lavos. Of course, if you did end up having Lucca renovate the ship, you can't help but imagine that she'd have done her best to remove the design flaws in the ship.You took a quick look at Schala, who was running behind you, in order to determine that she was still doing alright. She might have a naturally high power level, but there was unfortunately no real way to deny the fact the she wasn't exactly in shape... at all. Her potential level of strength may have been immense as a result of her natural level of power, but natural power alone didn't specifically mean that you'd have the stamina to go with it... which Schala clearly didn't... though at least right now she didn't seem all too bothered by the run. Lucca and Robo meanwhile were performing perfectly, as was Mayonne. All three of them were more than powerful enough that such a comparatively slow pace wasn't exactly enough to even begin to fatigue any of them... of course Robo couldn't feel fatigue in the first place, but you already knew that.Soon enough, you came to a stop in front of a large set of doors, the technology of the Black Omen was... strangely advanced, you'd noticed. While the Kingdom of Zeal itself had clearly invested fully into magic, there were some clear technological influences scattered about the Black Omen... perhaps Lavos lent some of his tremendous knowledge to the construction of the vessel? A fusion of magic and technology... though the technology that you were used to from space was far more advanced than what made up the Black Omen, the Black Omen bridged the gap and then some through the applications of magic throughout the ship. Magic was something that even the technology you were aware of was seemingly completely incapable of competing with... well... usually at least. Robo was fully technological and he was more than capable of facing off against all sorts of magic without much difficulty.
The slime creature was waiting for you at the large door, and... you still didn't know what to make of it. As you approached the door, it waited for Schala before it addressed anybody once again. "You... princess..." It repeated what Schala had told it, before it turned to the door's control panel and just... slammed into it at high speed. losing form for just a moment as it splashed against the wall before the control panel suddenly lit-up with a green color and the door begun to open. It quickly retook Schala's normal form as it headed into the room, which... unlike the rest of the dimly lit ship, was illuminated in a shining blue light, almost blindingly bright, in fact!The red slime quickly moved inside the room, and both you and Schala hesitated for a moment before following, Robo, Lucca and Mayonne still following close behind. Mayonne just seemed uncomfortable in general, and Lucca and Robo were clearly both taking notes of the ship's interior design. "I... this was supposed to be the place the Mammon Machine was meant to be used in..." Schala observed, seemingly familiar with the room... and you realized that the room was indeed familiar to you as well! The current appearance of the room had thrown you off though, as it had thrown off Schala. "But..." she gestured all around her, and there was only one thing she could be referring to.The room itself had been overgrown with odd crystals that jutted out of the walls at every angel, large crystalline structures that glowed with a fierce blue light, there was clearly a tremendous amount of power within the crystal... but... where had it all come from? "Schala... what is this?" She was sort of your expert when it came to magical subjects... and though Mayonne might also have a good deal of knowledge about magic, it was obvious that Schala would be better suited for the job here."It's... magic energy... but it's been crystallized!" She looked at the blue glowing substance. "But this much... there's far too much!" She was observing the crystals with great awe. "This much power... this amount should've taken even the Mammon Machine over a hundred years to create this much!" That was the machine that drew power from Lavos, if you remembered correctly... but that was destroyed! So where did all of this power come from?"Uhmmm... guys? I think... you might want to take a look at this." Lucca pointed to the brightest part of the crystal structure and drew your attention away, as you looked through the shining light of the crystal, you could barely make out the silhouette of a figure within it. The source of all this magic power?The slime took a step forwards now, staring at Schala, even copying her face now, her voice echoing from the creature with perfect clarity. "You... break crystal. Free... creator... too much magic. Made me... not break." The creature was clearly making some sort of request now, and Schala sighed.
"Break it...? This... there's only one person this could be. Only one person I know who could even create this much power in the first place!" Schala placed her palm against the crystal, sending a pulse of energy though it that caused the glow to cease momentarily, and gave you a clear view of the person within the Crystal. Queen Zeal!? She... didn't die during your attack on Lavos?! But why would she have seemingly sealed herself away like this?>>What will Rettace do?>Tell Schala to wait for a moment before making a choice, look around for clues as to what might have lead to this.>Tell Schala that with Lavos gone, her mother's sanity may have been restored to some degree.>Tell Schala that she shouldn't free Zeal from this crystal prison. She was a possible threat to everything.>Say nothing, let Schala decide alone.>Other(Write-in)
>>5102131>Assess the situation, what caused this. Does she seem to still be alive? What happens when we break open a crystal? What use do said Crystal's have?
>>5102131>Tell Schala to wait for a moment before making a choice, look around for clues as to what might have lead to this.
>>5102131>Say nothing, let Schala decide alone.
>>5102131>Tell Schala to wait for a moment before making a choice, look around for clues as to what might have lead to this.What to do with her mother has to be Schala's choice. We should tell her to take a moment to think about this.But seriously, didn't we kill her when we first fought Lavos?
>Tell Schala to wait for a moment before making a choice, look around for clues as to what might have lead to this.Great quest wukong. shame it died
>>5102131>Tell Schala to wait for a moment before making a choice, look around for clues as to what might have lead to this.Fuck i am retarded and forgot to mark the post
>>5102318>didn't we kill her when we first fought Lavos?Rettace stomped on her as an Oozaru then Lavos shielded her broken body with a cage of spikes from his own body.After that I had assumed her cast her aside in favor of her daughter and that would be the last we’d see of her. Glad the loose end got picked up again though.
>>5103553Oh, cool. I remembered the stomp but not Lavos shielding her. I agree, seeing Schala confront her mother now, after she was saved, is far better than if the Queen had died back then.And happy new year everyone!
>>5102131>Both you and schala have powers over time, and visions of what could be or what has been. Maybe by working together you can try to induce a vision intentionally that would tell you more about how Zeal ended up like this, and/or what she might do if released right now.
"Schala... before we do anything, I think we ought to look around for clues as to how this could have happened. I could've sworn that she died during the battle against Lavos..." Though now that you think clearly on the matter, you only stomped on her and assumed she was dead... but Lavos did put some sort of protective cocoon around her... you had been caught up in the moment, so you had simply assumed that her survival was an impossibility. Looking now though, that was probably a little too naive, especially after what Dalton pulled off already. Wait... this doesn't mean that Dalton was still alive and lurking somewhere too, right? Because you were totally certain that you turned that asshole to dust... or at least that's what you hoped. You hit him with enough power to turn him to dust, you were sure of that much."That's probably for the best... I don't know how my mother might've survived this, but... we'd be foolish if we were to just act without knowing the whole story right now. It's been... thousands of years... but I can feel that she's somehow still alive.""Lavos' doing, perhaps?" You crossed your arms as you suggested that Zeal's current state may have been thanks to Lavos in some manner, despite having been erased from time, that annoying space bug was still finding a way to be a pain in your ass. "No... this sort of process... it's one that requires the person casting it to willingly undergo it. It... depends on the amount of magic crystal that you can generate, the spell becomes more costly as it goes on, and even my mother shouldn't have enough power to have kept this spell active for more than half a century..." Even according to the expert, this didn't make any sense at all."Interesting... according to my sensors, this woman... her time isn't flowing properly. It's as if she's... trapped herself in a loop of time, constantly refreshing herself to the point she was at a minute ago. I have witnessed three such loops, and though the crystal is obscuring my vision somewhat, this pattern could only mean she has caused some sort of temporal distortion upon herself."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi1AAOjRxVcSchala's eyes widened as she heard what Robo said, and she placed a palm against the surface of the large crystal structure, before shaking her head sadly."A form of immortality, but... not a true form. This is a curse, through and through." Schala shook her head as she looked at her mother, trapped in the crystal. "Lavos must've cursed her with this false form of immortality as some sort of punishment for failing it. Her memories... her body... I think she must've realized what had happened to her, and... being unable to even take her own life... she chose to end her suffering in the only way that she had left... an active ritual that used her own body as the continuing focus. One that would keep her unthinking, unfeeling... unliving." Schala sounded truly upset for the fate that had befallen her mother. It was clear that despite everything that Zeal had done, Schala did not blame her mother."Better to sleep forever than suffer a living nightmare." Mayonne crossed his arms as he looked at the queen in the crystal. "Any progress that she might've made towards ending her suffering through breaking the spell would have been pointless too. A spell like this would take far too long to think of a counter for, and if you were limited to a single minute of thinking, you'd not even be able to properly comprehend the situation you were in... much less break the spell." "So... unable to break her spell, she trapped herself like this?" Lucca frowned. "What a terrible thing to happen, I wouldn't wish something like this on even my worst enemy..." The genius girl observed the situation, keeping mostly calm about things. "But... is the spell reversible?""You'd free her?" Mayonne turned to Lucca in surprise. Obviously, despite clearly having something of a better nature than you'd expect of... well, a demon, Mayonne was still somewhat unforgiving towards his own enemies. "I just said I wouldn't even wish something like this on my worst enemy, didn't I? Queen Zeal... she might've done terrible things when she was being controlled by Lavos, but..." Lucca didn't seem to know what to say about the woman, but it was Schala who spoke in the defense of her mother."What she did... her actions... they weren't her own. Not truly. To be controlled by Lavos... to be his herald... or whatever role it had given my mother... it is to allow Lavos' influence into your own mind. All of your negative traits are amplified and brought to the surface, Lavos uses your own mind against you, plays on your insecurities while promising power... immortality. My mother became obsessed with immortality after my father died. She grew to become terrified of death herself... that... I think that must've been Lavos' doing." The same thing happened to Schala... or at least had until Lavos' attempt to control her was undone thanks to the Chrono Trigger.
You sighed, you didn't really know if you could truly blame Zeal if she was just being manipulated by Lavos as her daughter was... "If that's the case... I don't think she can truly be blamed... I've... felt what a power like that can do to you..." It was only a brief experience with such power, but... to let yourself be fully controlled by your negative emotions, it was unlike the rage of a Super Saiyan that you had unlocked... that strange feeling you first felt upon discovering the fate of your people... in a way, it might've even been similar to the chaotic feeling power that had caused Parzlee to rampage out of control... and you wouldn't dare have blamed Parzlee for the rampage she went on either... it was clear that it wasn't something she wanted to do."So we're just... going to let her go free?" Mayonne asked, questioning you."It's... not that simple, I'm afraid. This magic crystal... it is... a dangerous resource. Usually, as a result of undergoing a crystal stasis spell, you would eventually run out of magic energy when enough time passed, and the built-up crystal would naturally be used up as a source of magic energy until you thawed out, so to speak." Schala gave an explanation. "But... the crystal itself is power solidified. Breaking my mother out of this much... could be dangerous, especially if it is still linked to her spell of stasis." "Then... just unlink her from the spell then? It shouldn't be difficult for somebody like you, right?" The genius girl asked Schala as she looked at the princess and then to the queen. "Besides, if this stuff really is crystallized magic energy... then shouldn't that mean that all we need to do is learn how to manipulate it? We can all already use magic... except you, Robo." Lucca corrected herself as she turned to the robotic lifeform, who didn't seem to mind. "So... what's to stop us from just manipulating this crystal?" Lucca's question was a good one, but Schala just shook her head."It's extremely dangerous to handle. Even a single fragment of these crystals contains more magic power than a normal magic user would be able to produce in a lifetime! If we're careless, the entire planet could be destroyed from the crystal's destabilization!" Schala informed Lucca of the risks of just acting reckless around the crystals. "Stasis magic was a form of magic that was forbidden to learn about by order of my mother. The only person who is truly proficient in how it works... is her." Schala leaned against a pillar. "Not to mention that bringing her out of her self-made crystal prison is only one half of the problem, we'll also need to find a way to break the lingering curse of Lavos too... and I might not be able to manage that alone." Schala admitted.
"You... free queen?" The red slime creature asked Schala, who didn't seem to know how to respond to the question. You were wondering just what this thing was... had Zeal managed to create this during the time she spent looping upon herself temporally... or was it some other science project that she had unleashed upon the world as an act of desperation? If it has acted for thousands of years, then there is clearly no doubting the loyalty of the creature."I want to... but..." Schala shook her head. "It's going to take time. I can't free her immediately. But... I want to." The slime creature seemed to be mollified by that answer, and didn't seem to want to press the issue. "So... how long is it going to take to get her out of the crystal?" You asked now, you did still have another goal in mind in coming to the Black Omen, but if anybody knew where to find the flower you were after, it would be Queen Zeal herself... that is, if she was willing to help at all... though if Schala was right, and with Lavos' influence gone, she had come to her senses, that shouldn't be an issue."The crystal... so long as we're careful... we should be able to manipulate it around my mother in... a few hours? But the spell itself... resetting her in time over and over again..." Schala shook her head. "The counter would need to be one that could take complete effect in the minute or so of time we would have before the curse reset her again. I have no idea if such a thing is even possible... for a curse as advanced as this one, a simple dispel won't work. You'd need a ritual." Schala sounded like she was losing hope, but you stepped forwards now, reaching into your hair and extracting the sleeping bird chick that had taken a liking to nesting in your hair. "Why not just see if Kachi-Kachi will free her from the spell?" You suggested, and Schala's eyes widened once again, she had seemingly forgotten about the time bird that had taken a liking to nesting in your hair. "As far as I can tell, any sort of time manipulation is kind of second-rate to what he can manage." Kachi-Kachi's power was absolutely incredible when you thought about it, it was through his power that you were able to become powerful enough to stop Parzlee, and through his power that Lavos was defeated once and for all. It's just unfortunate that Lavos' actions weren't erased from history along with it. Though no matter what schemes the beast's machinations may have included, nothing could've prepared it for such a complete and total erasure as it had undergone."You're right! We could do that!" Schala, now remembering the existence of the Bird of Time and the tremendous power that it held regained her hope nigh-instantly. "But... even so, getting her out of the crystal will... take quite a long time."
"Hours, right? That's not too long, is it?" Lucca shrugged. "It's not like we're actually doing anything right now. Besides, I was planning on staying here for some time anyway. I can just go around the ship with Robo and analyze more of it while you uh... do your thing." Lucca didn't seem to mind the delay. "So long as slimy here doesn't try and attack us or something." It wasn't exactly a very flattering name, and the red silhouette of Schala vibrated a bit at the name, as if it was displeased by the choice of name."Hours... at best. Days is more likely." Schala corrected her previous assessment. "It all depends on how unstable the power in the crystal is. That alone determines how fast this is going to be. So... it might make more sense if we were to get Janus here to help me... he's grown into a fine magic user himself... perhaps even my superior." Perhaps in quantity of spells that he knows, but it was clear to you that Schala's magical abilities were superior to her brother's spells in power. All you need to remember to confirm that is the battle against Lavos. "I will be able to free my mother from this crystal by myself, but... with Janus here, things will be far quicker, I'm sure of that.">>What will Rettace do?>Agree with Schala, go and get Magus to help before returning.>Disagree, have Schala just free Zeal herself.>Other(Write-in)
>>5104783>You realise your brother may not like that. Perhaps even oppose it completely.>If she won't be dissuaded, then get him.
>>5104783>Agree with Schala, go and get Magus to help before returning.He won't like it very much, but he can't say no to his big sister.
>>5104783>Agree with Schala, go and get Magus to help before returning.
>>5103892happy new year to you too anon>>5104783>Agree with Schala, go and get Magus to help before returning.btw, wukong great quest, but are you going to follow the thing with dragon ball super transformations or will you allow us to become a ssj4? i always like the design for the 4 form, it seemed more primal and stronger than the new stuff that is ssb
>>5105465For transformations... Really it will be up to what route you players want to go down. 4 isn't impossible though.
"Alright, getting Magus would probably be for the best... though he might raise some objections in getting Zeal out of this prison in the first place." Magus... was far less of a forgiving person than Schala was, as somebody who had been raised by demons for the majority of his life, it was difficult not to see him sharing the same viewpoint that Mayonne did when it comes to people he considers his enemies. Would he be able to look past his hatred for his mother if he understood that her actions were not her own, and that she was nothing but another pawn of Lavos, to be used and discarded at the monster's whim? That... remained to be seen."OK... then... I'll create a portal that'll lead back to Lucca's house." Schala started to gather the magic that she needed in order to cast the spell, a blue glow appearing around her right hand as she started casting. "Alright... I shouldn't need more than a few minutes to find him, so long as he's..." You were about to keep talking, but out of nowhere, you felt a fairly large Ki presence appear!"There's no need for that." A familiar voice sounded out behind you, and an image of Magus flickered into existence. "What a coincidence that you'd also choose to investigate the Black Omen right now. I hadn't expected you'd come here." Did he use his magic to turn himself invisible? No... he'd done more than that, he'd used that power in combination with his Ki in order to completely suppress his presence! "Janus? What are you doing here?" Schala turned to face her brother."I said I had something to take care of, didn't I? I was intending to investigate the Black Omen, but it looks like you had the same idea, Schala." Not quite, Magus... more importantly, what the hell was he planning on doing down here anyway?"Oh... no, we're actually here looking for some seeds for Zeal Blossoms... it was only through coincidence that we ended up finding Queen Zeal trapped here, she's..." Schala was about to continue talking, but she was cut off."You don't need to tell me the story. I heard everything." Magus revealed that he hadn't just been hiding his presence, he had been hiding his presence for a fair amount of time."Wait a second... Magus, how long have you been following us for?" You asked with a frown. Had he just been stalking you since the moment you stepped foot on the omen? "Long enough. I must admit, I was surprised with how you dealt with the Crimson Shade." Magus sounded intrigued by the red creature, which was staring at him now."Crimson... Shade?" You repeated in confusion, the name wasn't familiar to you, but Magus must've been referring to the creature you had... partially befriended? It was seemingly acting on commands from Zeal though.
"I did some research while I was here, entered an old alchemy lab and found some records. That thing there is the culmination of an alchemist's life's work. He wished to create an artificial lifeform that combined the resilience and durability of a Nu with a self-replicating hive-intelligence... in addition to giving it the ability to survive through nothing but raw magic alone... the thing basically eats magic. "But... the crystal surrounding our mother was... somehow too much for it?" Schala asked Magus, and the man shrugged. "Doubtful, I imagine the thing didn't attempt to consume the crystal for much the same reason that you were hesitant about attempting to manipulate it. It's incredibly unstable, and the Crimson Shade understands that.The red-tinged doppelganger of Schala turned to Magus, before crossing its arms. "Zi... Name is Crimson Shade... Zi." You didn't know if that was a name that the creature had been given by its creator, or if it was a name that it had picked for itself... and you didn't really care all too much either."Oh, you have a name beyond your race?" Magus turned to the slime-like creature. "I'm surprised at your continuing loyalty to my mother. Over ten thousand years, and here you are, still loyally trying to serve her." Magus didn't sound all too pleased about this whole situation. You were still annoyed that he had disguised his presence in order to follow you though."Queen... set me free. Queen told me free her... couldn't free her. You free her?" Zi looked at Magus, then at Schala and you."Unlike my sister, I'm not nearly so forgiving. Controlled by Lavos or not, my mother's crimes can't be ignored. If she is to be freed, she ought to face a punishment for her crimes." Magus clearly hadn't forgiven Zeal as his sister did, but just as Schala was about to retaliate to her brother's words, Lucca took the initiative instead."Coming from you, Mr. Demon King." Lucca looked at Magus with annoyance. "At least Zeal had the excuse that she was being manipulated by Lavos as a puppet. You just tried to use everyone to fulfill your mad gambit for revenge against Lavos!" Lucca raised her voice now, clearly irritated at Magus' resistance to freeing his mother from the crystal. "You heard what Lavos did to her, you were watching!" "That might be the case, but... consider that she may have already lost her mind from the constant fear of being reset. My mother... even at her best, when I was very young... she was always a somewhat unstable person. Though she was kind and loving back then, looking back on those memories now, I can see that she was truthfully a very mentally fragile person. This sort of suffering would have shattered my mother." Magus gave his reasoning, but Robo simply slammed his foot against the floor loudly as he decided to get all eyes on him.
"Doubtful." Robo crossed his arms now, leveling a glance at the spellcaster. "Though the circumstantial dread of the situation would be enough to drive any living being psychotically insane, this would not be the case for Queen Zeal. Her mind was reset along with her body, after all. Without the ability to form memories of her situation, she would not have the ability to truly comprehend the awfulness of her situation. Only a minute would have passed for her, no matter how many years she suffered the effects of the curse.""Robo is right. While Queen Zeal's punishment might've been cruel and full of suffering, the suffering would come mostly from the fear of knowing that she would be unable to stop herself from being brought back to how she was a minute in the past. It's a curse that is truly only awful when you realize that you've been cursed in the first place. A delay long enough to realize just what was happening to you, but never enough time to find a solution to it." Lucca sighed, clearly not knowing just how to deal with the situation herself. "Hasn't she suffered enough?""Well..." Magus started, realizing that he was quickly losing ground."She's our mother, Janus. Once, she was being controlled by Lavos, and had been twisted to evil. Her actions back then weren't her own fault... but as I keep hearing, what you got up to when you were attempting to claim revenge on Lavos was entirely down to you." Schala scolded her brother and he shrunk back at her words."You're sorta being a massive hypocrite here, ex-boss." Mayonne warned Magus, who glared at the demon for a moment. Looks like even the demon had a more favorable opinion of Zeal than Magus did... though Magus was the sort of person who had based his entire identity around both getting revenge and his hatred for both Lavos and his mother... so this reaction wasn't exactly unexpected."You should at least reserve your judgment of the woman until she's out of her prison." You offered Magus a way out now. "That way you'll be able to determine if what she did was her fault, or if she can be forgiven."Magus made a frustrated noise, before he looked at Queen Zeal for a few seconds, finally making his mind up as he turned to look at Schala "...Fine." He finally conceded to Schala's argument, agreeing to her plan. "You knew our mother better than I did anyway, Schala. I just hope that you're not wrong in your assessment here..."Trust me... I'm really not." Schala said with a sad voice. "Now... should we get started?" Schala didn't sound like she wanted to hang around the Ocean Palace for any longer than she had to. "Very well." Magus and Schala both stepped towards the crystal, and the two of them started to chant some sort of magic language that you weren't familiar with. Was it somehow unique to these crystals? Whatever it was, it was obvious that you weren't going to be much help here.
"Oh! Demon language!" Mayonne seemed to know what they were talking about, so you looked at the demon general, and he shrugged. "It's a form of language that allows magic to flow better for ritual casting. I guess that the Kingdom of Zeal knew about it too... It's not exactly useful for a fighter like you though, it's specifically only really useful for ritual magic... not the sort of stuff you'd be able to pull off in a fight unless you had a whole lot of time." Mayonne revealed, you were interested in the language nonetheless though... it might be an idea to try learning it in the year of time in which you couldn't raise your strength through training alone. Of course... you'd still need to actually train, even if you wouldn't get stronger... that was going to be an annoyance you could do without."Well... those two look pretty busy right now... so how about the four of us go exploring?" Lucca suggested."Five." Suddenly, Zi stepped forwards, switching back to Lucca's appearance, though it was of higher quality than the last time it had taken her form. "Zi go with." It was clearly growing in intelligence the more it interacted with other people.."Why?" You asked the red slime-like being, and it just tilted its head in your direction."I want to." Zi quickly responded ...Fair enough.>>What will Rettace do?>Have Mayonne, Lucca, Robo and Zi go but remain here with Schala and Magus.>Go with the four of them and continue to explore.>Other(Write-in)
>>5105557>Have Mayonne, Lucca, Robo and Zi go but remain here with Schala and Magus.>I'd rather not leave them alone, just in case something goes wrong, or some defense mechanism tries to sneak it's way in here and attack them from behind. And it's not like we all need to search around, you have Zi with you to guide you, and it's not like any of you are in any danger with how strong we've all become.
>>5105557>Have Mayonne, Lucca, Robo and Zi go but remain here with Schala and Magus.>Offer to feed Zi a mana unit before it goes, just in case it's hungry. A bit of generosity might go a long way towards endearing it to you and your group and garnering at least a little bit more loyalty.
>>5105557>>5105690Support. Schala's safety is paramount and offering to feed Zi is a good idea.
>>5105628Support.Let's not feed Zi until we are sure of his loyalty
>>5105628>>5105557Supporting.Also, what are our inmediata plans after chrono trigger and namek? there is still buu out there and the time stuff. also funny though but we skipped 11 years to the future, so the demon sibling´s homeworld must have changed a lot since then.
>>5105951I think Mechikabura, Towa and all the other time niggers will probably be the endgame bosses. The Androids and Cell come before Buu, but in any case we have a few years were nothing really important happens. I see two basic options on what we could do in those years:>A) Settle down on a planet, keep training, marry Schala, have kids.>B) Travel the universe, expand Lucca's teleportation network, look for Shin to learn how exactly Schala will become this history's Supreme Kai of Time, marry Schala, have kids.>demon sibling´s homeworld>"a decade and you're still not married? What am I going to do with you?"I can practically hear the Queen scolding Sycam and Euca when we next visit.
>>5105994i would prefer the B option, if mostly so lucca can travel and use the tech of gero to create more powerfull stuff, also so we can have schala and magus learn some techni with godly ki. After that i dont know what to do, maybe another planet will need our help, but unless the demon king of dragon quest is upped to dabura lvls, it would be really hard to find any challenge
>>5106015I'm leaning towards that as well, though Lucca might want to spend some time upgrading the ship after Namek. Especially if we end up capturing Freeza's flagship to loot for tech. I know nothing about Dragon Quest, but I wouldn't worry that much. Onisthena was an OC planet, and Chrono Trigger was handled with great care. I trust Wukong to make it interesting.
>>5106048yeah, also sorry but i wasn't in past threads, but do we plan to learn kaioken and teach it to the other characters like crono and marlet? while not as powerful as a saiyan they still have magic and other abilities
>>5106070Oh, a newfag? Welcome! How do you like the quest now that you, I assume, read the archives and caught up? The kaioken has been mentioned exactly as you said as a way to help other characters catch up. Crono and Marle specifically won't be following us in our travels and so probably won't get much use out of it but they're not the only ones it would be useful to. I don't think there were any firm plans of it, but that doesn't mean much. It's a quest, long-term plans are extremely easy to get derailed as the situation changes, new things and ideas come up and anons just vote for whatever. I mean, if you'd asked on thread 1 who's gonna end up being Rettace's waifu, absolutely no one would have said Schala.
>>5106101its great, i am kinda sad crono and marlet won't be coming with us, because while they didn't have as much screen time as others, i thought maybe they would still come with us too some adventures, but its understable since they will be kings of their world, aside from that, thanks to lucca´s array of teleportation we could still stay in contact.Also i thought the chrono trigger´s world would be our earth base, like we could set a teleportation array between dragon ball earth, chrono´s world and the demon sibling for ease of transportation so we could be a teleport away from help. wich we will need for later endgame or when timeniggers come after us.Also wukong quick question, but does this saiyan look like rettace?
>>5106119A little, but Rettace has metal bracers around his wrists instead of fingerless gloves, he doesn't have a headband or scars, and his eyes are black.
>>5106133well, i am bad at editing, but i can always try to, if you want me?
>>5106119Yeah, if and when we decide to settle somewhere I'll definitely be voting for planet Temperus. It's very comfy. In the meantime the teleportation network will come in handy in keeping contact with the friends who stay behind. And who knows? It's very possibly Crono and Marle will get bored with their princely duties and sneak out to join us in an adventure or two.btw, what did you mean by this?>>5103399>Great quest wukong. shame it died
>>5105994Option B, no question. Training is our biological imperative.Teleportation network is the concession we make to Lucca for her works, as well as provide materials and contact between our allies.
>>5106144I'd like that.
>>5106149well, don't laugh but at first i thought qm stopped posting, since qst is a dead board since the 2019, less people are playing in the quest and less qm are staying. so now they either go for shittier forums or to akun, wich while there are some good quest, and there is a higher player base, if you don't put your foot down you will get flooded with degeneratesFunnily enough, i even tried to run a quest in there, it died soon after, so i can appreciate qms who stick around to finnish their quest more
>>5106183No, you're absolutely right. /qst/ is a dying board, good quests are few and far between and akun is full of coomers. I don't blame you for briefly thinking the qm left either, since qms just ghosting is the norm around here and there was a slowdown around Christmas.
>>5106204yeah but the problem is that i confused the month and the day from the last post, kinda retarded now that i think about it
well, i managed to change eye colour and take out the scar, but i can't see how to remove the gloves, i will need to experiment a little more with edition.For starters, tell me if you like how it is going wukong.
>>5106605and i think i managed, kinda shitty, but it was my first time doing anything creative for a quest.
>>5106676Wow that's pretty great!
>>5106676The forehead is kinda wonky, but the Bracers look pretty good! Nice going
>>5106676Great work with the face and with removing the gloves, but I edited the forehead and the bracers a bit more. I hope you don't mind.
>>5106741No, i would even thank you, i was going to fix it tomorrow. But thanks anon, what did you use to edit it?Also, wukong if you want i can try and also make the other saiyans
>>5106766Having the other saiyans with actual images would be nice too.You have the sprite references, right?
>>5106741Wow, that's even better!
>>5106766>>5106780Thanks! I use GIMP 2.
>>5106797uh, i used paint so that is why is so shit, i think gimp might be a better option
"You four go off and explore, I'll stay here, just in case something ends up going wrong and my strength is needed." Last time you saw her, Queen Zeal was technically more powerful than Magus was, and you couldn't really rely on him having a greater knowledge of the magical arts than his mother either. Even if he had devoted his life to learning more about magic in his quest to defeat Lavos, it was still quite unlikely that he managed to learn more in an era millennia after the downfall of magic than the woman who ruled when the Kingdom of Zeal was at its peak of strength. Now... knowing what you did, it wasn't entirely likely that the queen would attack her two children upon being freed from the crystal, but... you didn't exactly feel like discounting the possibility was a good idea either. While it was unlikely as a result of her curse's parameters... there was a chance that the queen would be hostile upon awakening... and what's worse, she'd be almost impossible to stop, if not completely impossible. If she was reset in time roughly every minute, then no damage would be enough to put her down for very long, a form of true temporal immortality that made her genuinely impossible to kill. In fact, she likely already attempted to take her own life in the past before coming up with this crystal prison..."Alright, Rettace. Do you really think there's a chance that Queen Zeal might attack?" Lucca asked, concern in her voice, she was clearly already reconsidering her decision to go exploring if you thought that there was a tangible threat that Queen Zeal might be hostile upon waking up, but you just shook your head."I'm not sure, but I want to be here to stop her in case she does." You were now a hilarious deal more powerful than she was, and even her magic wouldn't serve as any sort of protection against you, you were simply too strong and too fast for her. You'd be able to defeat her with a single blow before she could even utter a word of whatever spell she might attempt to use to defeat you with. It would simply be impossible for her to overcome your power when the difference was as great as it was... so long as you didn't get careless and allow her to actually cast her magic, as there was always a chance that whatever she ended up casting would be able to ignore the difference in power... not that you'd give her such an opportunity. You might be more powerful than you were before, and some of that strength might've started going to your head, but you weren't an idiot. Underestimating opponents who were weaker than you even though they had esoteric and nearly impossible to explain abilities like the magic users of this planet was absolutely idiotic. You really hoped that you never got so powerful that you started feeling confident enough to feel no danger around such foes.
"Then... are you sure that you don't want us to hang back as well?" Lucca was still apparently worried about the idea of Zeal's return being one with negative intentions behind it, but... it's doubtful that she'd feel that way... or at least that was what you and Schala were hoping anyway. Magus seemed far more pessimistic, but he was also the sort of person who was arrogant enough about his own skills to believe that he could probably defeat Zeal by himself at this point... even though he'd probably still lose. Magus really needed to get stronger himself... perhaps there was something in his blood that would allow him to attain greater strength than what he has right now? Both he and Schala had some measure of divine blood, and... well, if gods weren't powerful, why would they be gods? Though come to think of it, Magus had never really seemed all too interested in training himself, he was always more focused on his magic, even when he was learning Ki, it was clear that he was always intending to use it as a secondary tool to his mastery over magic... meaning that his actual physical potential when it came to his Ki might still be untapped!
"Lucca... use your scouter on me if you want, but I assure you, I'm far more powerful than I was, if Zeal attacks, she won't be any more difficult for me to deal with than you'd have difficulty in defeating a Reptite. Believe me, I don't need your assistance right now..." You held off on telling the girl that she might not even be powerful enough right now to be much help. Even though you massively overpowered Queen Zeal, she still had more power herself than Lucca did, and despite Lucca's genius, she had clearly not put her genius to all that much work when it came to the realm of magic... though that was understandable, Magic seemed to operate on being able to ignore laws and rules that were otherwise set in stone, while Lucca's preferred form of knowledge was of the laws and rules that were broken by magic. What Lucca did was more like bending the laws that existed to her own whims, forcing reality to do as she pleased through playing by the rules of reality itself... to her, magic might just feel kind of a little bit like cheating. A form of knowledge that defied knowledge, a form of power that followed no true rules, where the limit of the power seemed to be simply how much experience the user of magic had with it. While it was possible to learn and teach spells, the fundamentals behind almost every different spell were so different from the rest that it was almost impossible to create any sort of unified system. It was as you found out during your training, most people never manage to stray outside of the element or elements that they were born with simply due to the relative incompatibility of the knowledge. A fire magic user should be totally incompatible with water spells, behind repulsed by the concepts behind them, though... judging from what you had seen, it wasn't impossible for a person to change their natural element through extreme circumstances, or... in Magus and Mayonne's case, knowing how to cheat the system and cast a multitude of spells regardless of their element.
"Alright, alright. No need to brag about how strong you've gotten." Lucca didn't bother to use her scouter to measure your power, apparently already having a fair indication of just how much more powerful you had become now, and she didn't press the issue either. "Just... if you do run into trouble, don't expect the three of us to hang back, alright?" She warned you that if there was trouble, she'd try to help... and you appreciated that. You had no doubt in your mind that Lucca and the rest of the humans of Temperus could grow powerful... perhaps just as powerful as a Saiyan... well, perhaps if not for your ability to transform into a Super Saiyan now... with an ability like that, the gap would only ever grow wider and wider, even if the humans managed to maintain a level of power equal to you in your base form... perhaps there was some way for humans to transform as well? It was highly unlikely, but... there might've been something hidden deep within them that could come out... well, maybe. It's not impossible that there might be, but you weren't an expert or anything. In fact, your theory mostly came from the idea that humans were physiologically similar to Saiyans... at least through their appearance. Though now that you thought about it, Tuffles were also similar looking to Saiyans... though the difference in size between a Saiyan and the majority of Tuffles was fairly large. The vast majority of Tuffles were at least a head shorter than the average Saiyan, but... their bodies were also built to be lighter, in order to better deal with the naturally high gravity of the planet you once called home. If you were remembering correctly about the history of the planet, usually, a planet with such high gravity would not have had any life at all on it, but the Tuffles found refuge in large craters caused by the fall of odd meteorites that contained some mineral that lightened the effects of gravity. Without those craters, the Tuffles likely would've died out and Planet Plant would've remained a barren planet forever!"Four." Zi once again showed off the incredible ability to count... though for something that seemed to be nothing more than thousands of globs of magical goo a few minutes ago, it was really becoming more intelligent by the moment... and it hadn't showed itself to be hostile or violent at all... it was at the moment that you got an idea... an idea in your head to somehow ingratiate yourself to the creature. Magus mentioned that it ate magic, didn't he? It sustained itself on the ambient magic power of the Black Omen, and had apparently done so for thousands of years... so with that in mind, you turned to face the creature, and while Lucca looked as if she was about to say something to the creature herself, you spoke up first... the wonders of literally being dozens of times faster than somebody couldn't really be overstated, it kind of felt like cheating to be this strong.
"Ah, right. Zi. You're really loyal, huh? Is there any real reason that you're acting like this?" Magus and Schala were kind of too busy to be questioned about what they knew of Zi's species, and really, it seemed like only Magus had had the opportunity to research what exactly the slime-like creature was."Made be loyal to queen. Queen made loyal to princess... prince too." Zi then looked directly at you, and you felt like you were being judged by the blank faced silhouette in the shape of Lucca in that moment. "You... are prince, right?" For some reason, the slime creature had managed to mistake you for the Prince of Zeal... you really had no idea how it made such an error though, but Mayonne suddenly took a dramatic step forwards, turning to you for just a moment and smiling before speaking."Maybe... give him a year or two, I'm sure he'll have Princess Schala's hand in marriage." Mayonne smirked while he looked at you, and you gave the demon an irritated look... you really didn't need to be dealing with jokes at your expense right now, though the death glare you were giving Mayonne right now wasn't actually doing anything but making them smugger."Huh... I kinda figured that there was something going on between those two." Lucca admitted, and unbelievably, Robo nodded his head, supporting Lucca's assessment, and you felt your blood pressure begin to rise at the unwanted attention."Indeed, I'd say that judging from both of their body languages, even Crono and Marle's attraction to one another was less obvious." Oh, come on! He'd managed to somehow detect that you had some... feeling for the princess? With his scanners?! How the hell did that even work!?"S-shut up, alright? My relationships aren't up for discussion, damn it!" You yelled at your allies, who all seemed to be satisfied with themselves, you were just glad that Schala and Magus were seemingly too busy casting the spell to pay attention to your conversation with your allies. "The four of you go... just go and explore or something. I don't want you four possibly distracting Schala, remember, the planet blows up if you distract her too much, and I don't really plan on being vaporized or suffocating in space today." Really, you should be able to survive something like the explosion of a planet at point blank range with your current level of power, but the problem came in surviving in space, the ultimate inhospitable environment. Without at least some sort of suit to protect you from the vacuum, even you'd only last for a few seconds before losing consciousness."Alright, alright. It'll be more fun to tease you, Crono, Schala and Marle when you're all together anyway." Lucca happily chuckled to herself as she turned on her heel and left the room, with the rest of her exploration entourage following her... but before they could leave, you held out a hand.
"Hey... Zi... stop for just a moment." The red silhouette stopped, turning to you in apparent confusion, but without skipping a beat, you generated a magic unit in your hand and tossed it towards the being. You didn't really know if you could continue calling Zi a creature at this rate, it was clearly growing in intelligence very rapidly, and wasn't some simple animal to be looked down upon. Zi grabbed the magic unit you had tossed out of the air, and the ball of glowing magic energy disappeared as it did, apparently absorbed into its body simply through contact... you knew that Zi survived off of magic, but you didn't actually know what sort of limits it had... did its ability to consume magic mean that it was immune to magic that was being used for offensive purposes? Whatever the answer to the question though, upon absorbing the magic, Zi suddenly grew facial features, no longer having a blank face, and it looked at you. "Thank you... prince?" Looks like Zi didn't quite get what Lucca and the others were talking about, and you heard Mayonne stifle a laugh as Zi turned back to walk off with the rest. Finally, you were left alone in the room with Schala and Magus, who were still too busy to interact with you at all... so that just left you standing here... waiting for them to finish, with who knows how much time on your hands to kill... you might as well use this time of relative peace and quiet to your advantage somehow...>>What will Rettace do?>Observe the ritual closely, you might be able to learn something!>Might as well do some physical training, even if you won't gain strength from it, you have a deficit.>Practice your magic, see if you can't come up with a new spell.>Play with Kachi-Kachi... it was a newborn chick, so it probably craved some sort of attention.>Meditate and attempt to come up with a new Ki technique.>Other(Write-in)
>>5107260>Practice your magic, see if you can't come up with a new spell.Damn it Rettace, you shouldn't let them bully you.
>>5107260>Play with Kachi-Kachi... it was a newborn chick, so it probably craved some sort of attention.i know there are other things more useful to do, but in a few hours/days i don't think we will get to do anything especial. so might as well pay attention to best birb and see if we can get some goodies out of him
>>5107272it comes with being the leader, i wonder what would be the saiyan twins reaction for rettace´s crush on schala?since the beginning i had this nagging suspicion they liked the mc because of how close they are to him, with parz being his rival and khive being protected by him since childhood.the other demon children are no a worry, because the chick didn't even want to marry rettace and the boy is still too weak for a wife.
>>5107260>Observe the ritual closely, you might be able to learn something!>Play with Kachi-Kachi... it was a newborn chick, so it probably craved some sort of attention.Unique opportunity to watch Schala and play with best birb. We'll be here for hours, we can do both.
>>5107278I think it's probably for the best that Rettace doesn't go for either sister.The relationship between the main squad is almost certainly better if it's kept as a sibling like relationship. Marriage has a tendency to ruin characters in general, especially in scenarios like this one where it would pulverise an established structure.
>>5107260>Play with Katchi Katchi>Physical trainingAs another anon mentioned, we have hours to days. And unlike actually paying full attention to the ritual, which requires our focus, we can play with Katchi and train our body
>>5107260>>5107281Supporting this, we can pay attention to the ritual a while, and when it starts hurting our head trying to keep up, we can stop and play with Katchi Katchi.
Should we try to become a Golden Oozaru?
>>5107282oh no anon, i am not against them or for them, i usually ignore waifu and waifu wars, i just want to see the drama if there is
>>5107326nah, that would expel doom for the planet and our companions, i say we first reach ssj2 and then we skip 3 for either ssj4 or whatever super has.Reminder that ssj4 has another form which is even stronger, called limit breaker
>>5107330Personally I'm hoping for less drama.I don't read DBZ quests for relationship drama.
>>5107331I think that problem is only for people without the Oozaru training.But we probably need to at least master ssj1 or 2 to get to 4, just for the sake of power balance.4 has two additional forms.Super Full Power and Limit Breaker.
>>5107338true, i dont know if its canon or what, but isnt ssj4 in base form like, 4000x base or something?
>>5107336Very very few saiyans have the emotional development required to even understand romantic love.Bardock and Vegeta are basically the only two canon Saiyans shown to understand it.I don't see Saiyans as the sort of race that squabbles over stuff like relationships.
>>5107342there was also gine, but i dont think she is canon. is the broly movie canon?
>>5107347Gine is canon, I just forgot her.>>5107339Super Saiyan 4's multiplier is weird.Lowballed it should be at least 4000x because golden Great Ape should be a 10x multi on the Saiyans strongest form previously.(The idea that it's only 500x is silly because it's way stronger than 3's 400x)If it goes off of controlled forms, learning it early could actually cripple our future development. It's probably an additional multiplier on top of Golden Great Ape though.
When we go back to Onisthena, we can always see if Kami has any suggestions for training.Going to train with King Kai for the Spirit Bomb and Kaioken would be nice.In fact, if we learn how to create portals we might even be able to portal over to Kami/Otherworld directly.
>>5107371i think we can ask goku to teach us kaioken and spirit bomb, though i mostly want spirit bomb, since kaioken would only be useful for endgame ssj4 or ssb
>>5107382Goku pushes Kaioken up to 100x in the Slug movie iirc.Kaioken isn't to be underestimated.
>>5107387i am not underestimating it, in any case i am going for canon, the only way to use kaioken is with the super saiyan 4 or the godly version, wich goku can do. But using the kaioken and saiyan transformation is a good way to kill oneself.
>>5107392Xeno Vegito can pull off a Super Kaioken.Mastered Super Saiyan should be able to handle it, but 2 and 3 are likely way more stable.Super Kaioken is just a flex.
>>5107395Presumably Goku never used it against Cell because he didn't want to give bugboy any ideas.
>>5107395okey, i didnt know that. if we can i am all in for it, just imagine using kaiokenx20 and ssj? fucking powerfull
>>5107399The stress of Kaioken Super Saiyan x 20 would be immense, so it's probably best kept as 2x in bursts.mastering Super Saiyan 2 and 3 is important too.Mastered 2 is as powerful as unmastered 3 going off of Trunks' usage of it against Goku.
>>5107402i also want to master 2, since is a good stepping stone but 3 is kinda of a dead end, its powerful, but not as powerful as ss4 or the godly versions.It's more to manage our time better for training.
>>5107411I don't think the true potential of 3 has ever been tapped into.With 2 we've seen Vegeta's quake of fury against Beerus and Trunks' Super Saiyan Rage against Black.3 should have something like that too.It shouldn't just be a dead end, Goku just lost all incentive towards using it when he got God/Blue.
>>5107416true, well it's for later in game so there is no point arguing about it
>>5107260>>Play with Kachi-Kachi... it was a newborn chick, so it probably craved some sort of attention.
>>5107260>>5107281Support. Best girl and best birb, what's not to like?>>5107116Paint? Impressive job, if so. Gimp has a bad reputation as beginner-unfriendly, but it's a very powerful tool. You should give it a try.>>5107272Dunno, I liked the bullying. I'm looking forward to them doing their worst when we are next gathered all together.>>5107278I imagine Parzlee would gleefully join in on the bullying and Khive would be genuinely happy for us both. She's Schala's only friend, after all. I wouldn't be surprised if Schala asks Khive to be her bridesmaid, after explaining what that is. I don't think crush is the right word either, it seems too... light?>>5107330>dramaOh god, please not. That's a quest killer. We managed to dodge the waifu war when Schala won so early and so decisively, let's not invite disaster on ourselves.Also, you guys talking about the transformations are forgetting the silver hate-fueled energy that would have consumed us if Schala wasn't there to snap us out. There's probably a way to tap into that without being lost to hatred.
>>5107475you mean kinda like berserk form? i honestly prefer to just center in the normal saiyan stuff, it's already powerful enough and it's easier to advance than parz´s evil saiyan stuff or khive´s godly one
>>5107475>I imagine Parzlee would gleefully join in on the bullying and Khive would be genuinely happy for us both. She's Schala's only friend, after all. I wouldn't be surprised if Schala asks Khive to be her bridesmaid, after explaining what that is. I don't think crush is the right word either, it seems too... light?anon, i think its light, because we have only meet schala for a day, even if her and the mc are destined to be in love, i still think it's too early for both of them. specially because both are teens, in the mc´s case almost an adult but still a teen
>>5107487It might be similar to Broly's stuff, but I don't think it's the same. Broly doesn't hate, he just gets angry and uncontrollable. What Rettace does is something new, and I think it'll be worth it to explore it eventually.>>5107489It's far from a schoolboy crushing on the popular girl while not even having the nerves to ask her out. It's been only a day from Schala's perspective and a month from ours, but what a day that was. And the feelings are definitely reciprocated.I don't remember if Rettace's age was ever clearly stated, but Schala is supposed to be 19 according to the Chrono wiki, and we've spent a year and some change already after being thawed. I'm guessing Rettace was sent out on his first mission when he turned 18 and he's now the same age as Schala.
Ok.Give me 4d100DC 85 High DC 95
Rolled 75 (1d100)>>5107569
Rolled 42 (1d100)>>5107569
Rolled 56 (1d100)>>5107569Bretty high DC
Rolled 52 (1d100)>>5107569sorry if i dont know how to roll
>>5107596>>5107586>>5107581>>5107572Fuck, please don't tell me we killed time birb while watching the mages do magic?
>>5107598Nah, we'd probably just get some kind of magic upgrade early if we rolled high
Since we've hit a bit of a lull I'm dropping an effortpost regarding the use of powerlevels past a certain point.IIRC it's generally agreed that the last "confirmed" powerlevels are Freeza's full power at 120M and Goku's first transformation into Super Saiyan at 150M, and after that it devolves into fan speculations multiplicatively inflating the numbers (sometimes beyond comprehensibility). I'd like to suggest a reasonably grounded hypothesis that should cut back on the inflation, using characters in the Mecha-Freeza/Android arcs as demonstrable examples later on.Main short-term change: without specialized training to improve the Super Saiyan form itself (Grades 2/3/4), the highest amount of additional ki it can add to a character's base power is 150M. In other words, the 50X multiplier stops being in effect once base power goes a bit past 3M and simply hovers at +150M to whatever the base is. In addition, training the base higher than 30-40M gives diminishing returns until specialized training to access the higher grades is achieved. I suggest this change for 3 reasons: the powercreep is slowed down, the SS form getting a concrete limit better explains why Goku et al wanted to evolve SS in the first place rather than just pump up the gravity more, and the effective multiplier being much lower than 50 makes scenes where Goku or whoever fights an enemy in base, gets slapped around for a bit, then transforms and makes it an even fight much more reasonable (seriously, if the guy is nearly 50X stronger he should just cleave through whoever he's fighting like tissue paper).Example saga: Mecha-FreezaMecha-Freeza: 135M (stable)King Cold: 115MFuture Trunks: 10M base - 160M SSGoku (returning from Yardrat): 15M base - 165M SSSince Freeza didn't really know how strong Goku was, he'd likely feel confident in a rematch with a stable power boost ~10% above his previous max and Cold backing him up (who himself is a bit weaker than Freeza's previous maximum).For Goku, he'd make a good amount of progress training his base, while Trunks would be a bit behind since his living conditions weren't forgiving and after Future Gohan died he had no training partner.Example saga: AndroidsGoku: 40M base - 190M SSVegeta: 35M base - 185M SSCyborg Gero: 100M (can temporarily absorb more)Android 19: 90M (can temporarily absorb more)18: 210M (+ infinite stamina)17: 215M (+ infinite stamina)Gero and 19 were NOT outright stronger than Freeza, and didn't need to be. I also put 17 and 18 about 10% ahead of the strongest unupgraded SS to further explain why Goku and Vegeta would put serious effort into evolving SS the way they did (rather than keeping increasing base as a constant 50X multiplier would suggest is the most reasonable course).Anyway, I think this model would be a good first step toward avoiding trivializing earlier conflicts, blowing up numbers to crazy levels, and leaving non Super Saiyans in the dust.
>>5108099That doesn't make any sense.Even if this system was used the humans would still get fucked over by later transformations.And your idea falls apart completely because we know Kaioken exists as a straight multiplier. >Goku 40M base>Super Saiyan 190M>Kaioken x 20 800MAll your theory does is make SS shit and Kaioken overpowered. What's more, we know directly from Beerus that base BoG Goku couldn't beat Freeza.
>>5108099Also your hypothesis fails even more spectacularly in the case of fusions, where the entire point is that they are massively stupid broken OP because of having ridiculously huge base PLs that are then further broken by multipliers. Or do you believe the difference between Vegito and Super Vegito is basically a grain of sand worth of power?This system really fails to hold up.
Well, you had a lot of time apparently, so... while you could spend your time training your techniques, or attempting to gain a greater mastery over your magic, that might be wasteful. After all, you had a massively complex magical ritual going on right in front of you right now! Not spending your time watching the ritual would just be a complete and total waste, really. Even if the mechanics of magic were chaotic and almost impossible to properly understand, you were still intrigued by them, regardless. You doubted that it would be possible for anybody alive to properly be able to master magic in its entirety. You'd need to be able to think in the same chaotic manner in which magic operates to be able to accomplish such a thing, which as far as you knew, should be completely impossible. Even the greatest magic users alive would not be able to reach a level like that.With a lot of time to burn through, you took a few steps closer to the ritual that Schala and Magus were using, and though you couldn't understand the demon's language at all, you at least attempted to understand the principle behind what the two of them were doing... namely the manipulation of the magic crystal that was surrounding Queen Zeal, if you could learn how to use that same sort of magic somehow... it might turn out to be quite useful in the future. It was unlikely you'd ever end up battling somebody who was actually immortal, but having a spell that you could use to deal with them like a prison of crystal that they couldn't escape from would be incredibly useful. Of course, there was still Kachi-Kachi's power to rely upon if you ever found yourself up against an enemy that could not be defeated in a normal way... but the restrictions on using that power were too great to truly be able to rely on. After all, if you found yourself up against an immortal enemy who wasn't explicitly a threat to time itself, you'd have no way of stopping them. Just because Queen Zeal's immortality was a terrible curse didn't mean that every instance of immortality would manifest in the same way.Unfortunately for you though, the ritual was far too complex for you to understand anything about it. While you were hoping to at least be able to get the basics of learning how to manipulate the crystallized magic down, you couldn't even manage that much. The different language that the two were speaking also made it very hard to ascertain what exactly they were actually doing through the ritual, even though the crystal was slowly shifting away from the two of them as they placed their palm on the surface of the prison.
Still, even if you couldn't gain any further insight onto magic by watching the two of them use their magic to start the process of freeing their mother, it was still fascinating to watch Schala and Magus work together with their magic. It was clear just how skilled the two of them both were from watching them, on a technical standpoint, when it came to how they were going about the ritual, it appeared as if the two of them were almost perfectly equally matched. While Schala might've had more powerful spells at her disposal thanks to her seemingly greater natural talent, and Magus had a larger variety of magic that he could use, it looked like from a purely technical standpoint, a comparison of their skills would lead you to the conclusion that the two were somehow perfectly equal, even after all the time Magus had spent training himself in magic... though the difference was that Magus was stuck with second-rate teachers in the form of demons after his trip through time, whereas Schala had been taught by the greatest minds that the kingdom of Zeal had to offer for almost her entire life.You kept watching the ritual with interest as you reached into your hair and felt Kachi-Kachi jump onto your palm, looks like he must've been bored of just sitting in your hair all of the time... you didn't really know how to look after a bird, if you were honest. Birds were meant to eat seeds, but Kachi-Kachi hadn't even shown any sign of needing to eat at all! You really weren't an expert on the feeding habits of Time Birds, so you filed that particular question away as something you could ask the Supreme Kai of Time during your next meeting with her. If there was anybody who you could ask about properly taking care of a Time Bird, it was her... after all, she must've raised her own, right? You found yourself getting distracted away from the ritual itself now, both by a combination of playing with the bird in your hand, which was playfully trying to peck at your hands, and it had become something of a competition between you and the bird as you kept your exposed hands from Kachi-Kachi, who was capable of only a clumsy flight with his little wings. Of course, the time bird pecking at your hands wasn't the only thing that was distracting you, your vision also kept drifting to Schala throughout the ritual, and you kept finding yourself thinking of what everyone was teasing you about earlier... were you really attracted to Schala like that? You honestly couldn't really tell... though the Tuffles emphasized romance in their society, it was a totally foreign concept to Saiyans, and until recently you didn't even really think it was possible for Saiyans to feel the same kind of emotions. You really supposed that there was a first time for everything though.
Between playing all sorts of simple games with the bird and taking the occasional look at the ritual itself, it appeared as if the process was finally nearing an end. There was only a thin layer of crystal still coating Queen Zeal's body from the front, and from your understanding, when that layer of crystal shattered, Zeal would regain consciousness... it was at the time that you were hoping that Kachi-Kachi would be receptive to a request to break the curse that still lingered upon Queen Zeal. The bird should clearly have at least some level of dislike for Lavos, the nature of which as a meddler of time itself meaning that the two ought to have some level of baseline hatred for one another. Kachi-Kachi was something like a representation of History itself, so it was only natural that the being fulfilling such a role would have a deep seated hatred for any who would attempt to change history for their own selfish ends. You could only assume that changes to the past had a detrimental effect on Kachi-Kachi's health... even those changes that seem harmless or well intentioned on the surface may in truth be a danger to time itself!"Alright... I think that about does it, Janus." Schala took a step back from the frozen form of her mother, they had made their way through a fair amount of the magical stasis crystal, and were likely now only a single spell away from freeing the queen once and for all. It was actually incredible how the stasis crystal had managed to prevent the curse from activating... though seeing the queen like this, frozen in crystal... it made you feel for her. Despite what she had done... as somebody who had lost almost everything thanks to being frozen in a manner not entirely unlike her own, you couldn't truly find it in your heart to believe that freeing her from this nightmare would be a bad thing to do."Right..." Magus kept his words short as he finally took a step back into the room proper, and he kept turning towards you and Schala at a fairly rapid pace, and... Schala had a faint blush on her face too... the two of them must've heard your conversation with Lucca and the others as well... brilliant. This was just what you needed... though thankfully, the two of them seemed content to ignore what they had heard for now, and Magus turned towards you. "While I couldn't care less about it, if you want to actually break the curse that's keeping my mother trapped in time, you might want to ask that bird." Magus spoke coldly, apparently not caring about his estranged mother one single bit."I really wish you wouldn't talk like that so much, Janus. You don't exactly make a very convincing demon king... and I know that there's a part of you deep down that cares about our mother, and that you realize that she's really not responsible for what happened." Schala reminded Magus of the truth beind Queen Zeal's actions.
"Hrrr." Magus just made an annoyed sound at Schala's caring words, and it was clear that he was at least somewhat conflicted about the situation. He'd grown up for almost his entire life wanting to get revenge on his mother and on Lavos, so accepting that it wasn't actually Zeal's fault at all wasn't going to be an easy thing for him... not after all he'd been through... though the fact that he was going through with what Schala wanted him to do anyway really did show just how secretly devoted he was to making her happy."But... regardless of all that, Janus is right... if we're going to do this, now's the time. I can break the last layer of my mother's prison on your word, so just tell me when." You hadn't actually given all too much thought on how you were going to break the curse on the once-queen... perhaps you'd just have to... ask Kachi-Kachi directly? You had no idea if that would work, but... it might? Kachi-Kachi was obviously intelligent enough to understand speech.>>What will Rettace do?>Ask Kachi-Kachi to break the curse.>Bring Kachi-Kachi near to Zeal and hope that it somehow breaks the curse on its own.>Ask Kachi-Kachi if you can temporarily borrow his power to break the curse.>See if Kachi-Kachi and Schala can work together to break the curse.>Other(Write-in)
>>5108666>Ask Katchi Katchi what he thinks the best thing to do here is. He's shown us visions before, he can show us what he wants to do, or just go and do it. He's smart enough to understand.
>>5108666>See if Kachi-Kachi and Schala can work together to break the curse.They should be able to do it together. If Schala is to be the Supreme Kai of Time, she'll have to be close to Kachi-Kachi, like Chronoa with Toki-Toki.
>>5108666>>See if Kachi-Kachi and Schala can work together to break the curse.This mostly for schala to start having a resonance with time bird, mostly to prepare her when she becomes the Skot
>>5108666I shall support >>5108668
quick question, but can the demon god position be inhereted? if so, can we kill both of those fags sealed and in makai and give their place to magus/janus?or is it a bad idea? cause i only trust magus/janus to not fuck with time and other bullshit if his sister is the Skot
>>5108666>See if Kachi-Kachi and Schala can work together to break the curse.Two competent hands (or wings) should be better than one. >>5108550>>5108584I would have addressed those points but the post was about 3k characters already and I didn't want to spam so I waited until someone brought it up.One fix: Nerf Kaioken too (sort of). Let's say King Kai wasn't being retarded when he said going past level 2 was bad news. On Namek, Goku (through fight-prodigy autism) found a sweet spot where he could take the technique near its maximum potential early, but if a mortal is only using it as a means to the end of increasing ki (as Goku was), Kaioken will cap out at a total power around 100M, or twice your power if you're at 50M or more. Going past that even a little starts immediately rupturing your blood vessels, you start bleeding out of every orifice, and if you try to go far past that you just explode (like Kikoho but worse). You would also explode if you try to mix exotic ki like the golden Super Saiyan ki into it, which would explain why Cell never used Kaioken; he'd have to power down and flush all of the golden ki out before he could use a less effective ability for a worse power boost.[Goku may have used Super Kaioken for a split second in filler against Pikkon, but it was filler and Otherworld bodies are more forgiving anyway]If you have stable god ki though, that restriction gets lifted and you can start buffing your god ki with Kaioken to high levels as Goku did in Super.I'd also speculate that someone who has a spiritual understanding of ki like Roshi or Tenshinhan could probably push Kaioken to 150M and a stable level 3 if they learned it and trained enough.Fusions are far off, can worry about the finer details some other time, but what I'll say now is first of all, grades 2/3/4 and SS2 all increase the amount of power gained by transforming (I'd have to run numbers to see what would be reasonable for the narrative) so that instead of adding 150M it could be 300M, or 600M, or whatever ends up making the most sense. And increasing the SS bonus breaks the limit on how far base power can train, so it would start growing higher as well, probably capping out around 1/5 - 1/4 of the amount gained by transforming into SS1 (Beerus can shove it, as if he actually keeps track of weaklings' power levels).For fusion, I remember it saying it's greater than the sum of its parts, so it should work something like:Vegito's base power: (Goku + Vegeta base powers)*(Arbitrary bonus)SS2 Vegito: (Goku SS2 + Vegeta SS2)*(Arbitrary bonus)Anyway, I'd say in general that putting concrete limitations on these transformations could make for a better story, because once the number just stops going up, you need proper technique, cunning, innovation in training, etc.Wukong's well-constructed magic system is also handy for diversifying things, but exponentially-increasing PL's could subvert that.
>>5108772Unless I'm mistaken, that is exactly what Towa's plan for Fu is, so it is possible. Magus as the actual Demon King instead of a chuuni edgelord larping as one is an interesting idea, but would he even want the position? His larp was a means to an end, and that end has been achieved now that Schala is safe and happy. And we're decades before this becomes relevant, if I remember the timeline correctly. Who knows what he'll want to do with his life by then?>>5108790>Anyway, I'd say in general that putting concrete limitations on these transformations could make for a better story, because once the number just stops going up, you need proper technique, cunning, innovation in training, etc.>Wukong's well-constructed magic system is also handy for diversifying things, but exponentially-increasing PL's could subvert that.Everything important that we've defeated so far was more powerful than we were in terms of raw numbers. And with us unable to gain strength until Namek, that's not going to change anytime soon. Raw power still won't be how we win fights. Besides, PL is just a number. It doesn't really matter how high that number is if the other guy's is going to be comparable or higher. It seems to me like you have a solution in search of a problem.
>>5108924>a solution in search of a problemIt hasn't been a problem yet, but I worry it will be in the future (although I did find Lavos getting a humanoid form with several million power and not instantly dishing out a TPK speedblitz a bit off, but then headcanoned his speed nerfed to the true-form floaty guy's 500K).I personally liked how Super let some of the "weak" characters be relevant again but it did it by being the final nail in the coffin of the DBZ power system. If a power-tracking system is kept up I'd like to autistically brainstorm a way to make it work and not be inconsistent and/or nonsensical, and would rather do so sooner than later.
>>5109076>weak character>relevant>in superlmao
>>5109198i didn't see super and past dragon ball namek saga is worthless, you could argue the cell saga is a good finale if buu saga didn't exist.
>>5109220>i didn't see super Then your thoughts and opinions on it mean nothing.
>>5109292just as the whole series. not saying its good or bad, but caring about power levels past friezar is just stupid.
>>5108666>See if Kachi-Kachi and Schala can work together to break the curse.
>>5108666>See if Kachi-Kachi and Schala can work together to break the curse.Well if we want her becoming the SKoT...>>5108772>Unseal Mechikabura.>just to steal his title and power.Based. Mechikabura is a prick.>>5108790>Nerf nerf nerf nerf nerfThis is a Shonen property, the entire point is later enemies show up and make enemies before look like nothing.Your frankly retarded system doesn't fix anything and just makes problems to the point you have to ignore most of the series.
Rolled 65, 57, 90, 79, 21, 24, 54, 25 = 415 (8d100)Lemme just... see something...
>>5110254Uh oh? I am scared
"Alright, Schala... let me uh... try to convince Kachi-Kachi." It felt strange, knowing that you were about to attempt to convince a bird to help break a spell that had been left behind as a curse on Queen Zeal by Lavos... part of your sensibilities just hadn't yet allowed you to properly come to terms with the fact that Kachi-Kachi, the most important being in your entire history... was a bird chick. While you had experienced his power first-hand and knew just how powerful he was, it still felt strange that his current form was so... defenseless looking. Well, regardless of if Kachi-Kachi could speak or not, you knew that he could understand what he was told, and that's really all you needed."Are you sure that he'll listen to you?" Schala asked, curious about Kachi-Kachi's willingness to lend his assistance to you in regards to something that was slightly more selfish than what he had helped you with before. While Schala already seemed to have some sort of link with Kachi-Kachi going from the past, it was clear that it didn't extend to something like telepathic communication right now."Uh... not really? But he's not shown himself to be unwilling to listen to requests, so I'd imagine that he'll be receptive to undoing the curse... or at least I hope so, it's a remaining trace of Lavos so it shouldn't remain a thing, right?" You smiled at Schala, but the smile wasn't really a convincing one, in truth, it was entirely possible for Kachi-Kachi to just refuse to help outright and choose to leave Zeal in her prison. However... you had something of an idea. "Schala... instead of just relying on Kachi-Kachi's power alone to free your mother... wouldn't it make sense if you were to use you power together with his own?" While Kachi-Kachi could potentially break the curse by himself without needing Schala's assistance, your history definitely would end up needing a Supreme Kai of Time, and Schala's assistance would definitely raise the rate of success regardless of Kachi-Kachi's power. With no actual system in place to decide on one, it was realistically down to Kachi-Kachi himself to decide... and seeing as Schala actually seemed to have the genetic make-up required for such a role as a result of Lavos' meddling in her and Magus' births, there was no more suitable candidate than her. You'd definitely need to make contact with the Supreme Kai of Time of the other history at one point in the future to actually determine what role and duties that the Supreme Kai of Time actually carries out.
"Well? Hurry up and find out if the bird will actually break the curse, otherwise all this time we spent down here would've just been a complete waste." Magus was clearly not all too happy at having spent all that time on almost getting Zeal entirely out of her prison, and you couldn't really blame him for being annoyed. If you had to concentrate on something like that for as long as he just did, you'd probably be just as irritated at the idea that it might've all been for nothing as he was right now."Alright, alright. Calm down, Magus. Kachi-Kachi... can you break the queen's curse?" You asked the bird."Kachi." The bird looked you in the eye as it responded with a single sound. But... what did that mean? Was that a yes? A no? Damn it, if only you could speak bird... hey wait, maybe you could get Lucca to create a translation software for your scouter that translated what birds were really saying...? Would that even work? Probably not, and it was really wishful thinking anyway. Kachi-Kachi was clearly intelligent enough to speak with, yet didn't have the body it needed in order to actually vocalize what it was trying to say. The average bird was clearly not capable of that level of comprehension... not to mention that as far as you knew, animals like birds didn't actually have a unified language... though it might be possible for Lucca to create some sort of device that interprets animal speech through analysis, such analysis would be only very simplistic thoughts vocalized... really kind of pointless.As you were left pondering the potential benefits of learning how to speak bird, Kachi-Kachi took off from your hand and flew towards Schala, who held a hand out to receive the bird as it came to her, before looking at you. This snapped you out of your thoughts, and you looked at Schala for a moment before you started speaking "I think that means that he's OK with it, Schala, so... just do your thing, and then be prepared to help with... well with whatever Kachi-Kachi does.""Alright. I'll... I'll try." Schala didn't sound all that confident about... well, anything. She might've been tremendously talented when it came to magic, but what she was about to do was an unknown even to her. A curse laid by Lavos itself was seriously not something that anybody should want to mess with, but... thanks to Kachi-Kachi, you had the perfect way to do so."Mmm, very vague." Magus was still clearly very unhappy about the idea of freeing Zeal in the first place, and had seemingly settled on being passive aggressive about it compared to actually attempting to refuse the request. Just because he seemed to be practically incapable of refusing any of Schala's requests, it didn't mean he had to be happy about them... and he was pretty clearly not happy about this particular request.
"Just shut up and help Schala break the final layer of crystal." You crossed your arms, tired of Magus' continuing whining. You didn't care how much of a grudge he held against his mother, it was really kind of petty that he was still unable to let go of the grudge even after finding out that the woman trapped isn't actually the woman he had grown to hate. Magus made an annoyed noise, but did as you asked him anyway, and quickly, with a jolt of light, the crystal around Queen Zeal shattered, and she slumped forwards... onto Magus, of all people. The man froze up as the partially conscious queen collapsed onto him, and Kachi-Kachi started to flap his wings, cawing as he did. As the Time Bird flapped, a strange red energy started to emerge from Queen Zeal in particles of shining light, gathering into a small orb but rapidly growing orb of energy atop Kachi-Kachi's head that continued to get larger. Schala seemed to quickly understand the situation and started to help condense the magic energy of the curse that was seemingly being extracted from the queen, gathering it into a far smaller ball. There was a surprising amount of the cursed red power, and the ball ended up being around the same size as your own head as it floated above Kachi-Kachi's head, and by extension, Schala's hand.A few seconds after the curse was seemingly finished being extracted, the partially conscious Queen Zeal opened her eyes fully, seeing Magus, Schala and you standing there looking at her. "Where... am I... who are you three...? S-Schala? Is that you? And... you... with the spiky hair... why do I remember you?">>What will Rettace do?>Let Schala handle things here. >Ignore Zeal for a second, ask about the red orb of energy.>Introduce yourself to Queen Zeal.>Suggest Magus say something... he's the one holding her still, after all.>Other(Write-in)
>>5110662>Introduce yourself to Queen Zeal.>Let Schala handle things here. A quick introduction to our future mother-in-law who we literally stomped last time we saw her, and then let Schala do the talking with her mother.
>>5110662>Introduce ourselfJust our name. "Rettice". She doesnt need anything more.>Let schala handle it.
>>5110662>Introduce yourself to Queen Zeal.>Let Schala handle things here.
>>5110668SupportAlso, for chrono trigger lorefags, a quick question, but does schala have insecurity problems? i know the difference in power between lavos and schala is big, but i think she might have some problems from the mental torture done to her. was it ever explored in the game or sequel?
>>5110755If the sequel wasn't bad it would've focused on that instead of focusing on Schala's magical clone who looks nothing like her and is Australian.
>>5110755>does schala have insecurity problemsIn a word, yes.In more than one words, her being mindraped by Lavos did not help at all, but Schala's life wasn't a very happy one in general:Schala's father, the King of Zeal, died when she and Janus were kids. Queen Zeal threw herself into work after that. She did not go completely insane until later, when the three Gurus, Gaspar, Melchior and Balthazar, discovered an infinite source of energy deep under the ocean. It was Lavos, and they thought it was a god of magic. They created the Mammon Machine and later the Ocean Palace to harvest Lavos's power. When the Mammon Machine was activated Queen Zeal changed overnight, becoming a much colder person, completely dedicated to Lavos. The Machine needed Schala's unique powers to be operated, as well as her pendant, the same pendant that was later passed down to Marle. The process of operating it was grueling and painful for her but she still went along with it, even after her premonitions grew and she realized it all could only end in disaster. She never stopped loving her mother, even as Lavos's influence changed the Queen, causing even Janus to reject her because of what she was doing to his sister. And Zeal would punish the people around Schala if she wasn't obeyed promptly. So Schala kept obeying her out of love of who she was and in order to protect those she knew, from random palace servants to her little brother, from the Queen's wrath. She also spent time trying to help the Earthbound ones, who I don't think we met in the quest, the people born without magic who were stuck living in caves on the frozen surface instead of a floating island paradise with the Enlightened Ones, as the arrogant people of Zeal called themselves.This all was from before we entered the picture and events began diverging from the game. Here, Khive ended up living in Zeal and being Schala's only friend. Rettace killed Dalton, destroyed the Mammon Machine, prevented Crono from sacrificing himself in the first battle with Lavos and used the Chrono Trigger for what I assume, though it was never actually stated in the game, to have been its intended purpose: Saving Schala from a fate worse than death.>sequelThe sequel was fucking awful. About on the same level of shitting on the original as The Last Jedi shitting on the previous Star Wars movies and characters. I could tell you more if you really want, but I warn you: Schala is barely there as a character and it's worse than you can possibly imagine.
>>5110805>no schalano thanks, the sequel already lost me there, funny enough this quest made me want to play chrono trigger for the first time.
>>5110854You should seriously play Trigger. It's one of the best jRPGs ever made. And then you can join me in pretending that Awakening is its canon sequel.
>>5110964What's the name of this quest anon?
>>5110968sorry, i might have a severe case of retardation.
>>5110982Don't sweat it. We're all friends here.
quick question wukong, i have finally found another pic for one of the twins, so i can maybe start with parz and suffer hell trying to find a good one for khive, but tell me, what do you think of this one?
>>5111020That's pretty good for Parzlee, yeah.
>>5111020Anon, did you accidentally post the thumbnail or is this the best size of this pic you've been able to find?
>>5111031best size, it's hard to find better ones, but i will try to find the original and edit it so its bigger
>>5111034Use either https://saucenao.comorhttps://iqdb.org/or add 4chanX so you can have them embedded.
>>5111035thanks, it shows too much how newfag i am.
>>5111036We were all newfags once. Your heart's in the right place, that's all that counts.
"Uh... I'm Rettace... we might have... fought each other before, don't you remember?" It was odd that the queen seemed to recognize you, but not completely... it was really quite strange. You kind of hoped that you would've left more of an impact on her... maybe there was a reason for this apparent difficulty to remember? It wouldn't surprise you if Lavos had also messed with Zeal's memories somehow as well. Lavos had been an odd creature, at its core, it had only seemed to be following its nature, yet that nature was clearly and undeniably malevolent, harmful to the universe itself. While it did seem to have some level of intelligence, it was not a sort of intelligence that you could properly comprehend... a completely different lifeform to potentially anything else in the universe."Right... I... I remember. Lavos... he decided that he no longer had use for me as his puppet, and he sent me back here... stripping me of the power he had given me. But... after that, I can't remember anything... at all. I'm sorry, my mind is... something of a fog right now." Understandable, it's a wonder that her mind is even capable of functioning at all, after millennia trapped as she had been... though you supposed that was kind of the point of her spell... and even if she hadn't cast such a spell, the curse placed upon her would've prevented her from attempting to use insanity as her escape... no matter what she would've ended up doing in the time she had before being reset, it would've been reverted anyway... it was a good indication of how fast a thinker that the woman truly was that she was capable of creating a spell that would prevent her from having to continue that cycle of suffering that Lavos had intended for her."That... fog." Schala looked her mother in the eye, and you noticed that she was still clinging to Magus' clothing, much to the once demon king's great displeasure. "That fog is the result of Lavos' influence leaving your body, mother... after abandoning you, Lavos... it granted you a form of immortality, trapping you down here in the depths of the Ocean Palace for thousands of years." Schala quickly informed Zeal as to what had happened to her, but judging from how Zeal looked right now, convincing her as to what happened might be difficult."T-thousands of years? That can't be right... How could it have been thousands of years?" Zeal was understandably confused about the current situation, which you'd somewhat expected of her. There was no way she wouldn't be confused about what was going on. From her perspective, it probably only felt like moments ago that she had found herself betrayed and abandoned by the creature that had previously decided to use her as a servant.
"Lavos granted you a form of immortality that reset your body and mind at a very frequent interval, you've been down here trapped for thousands of years." Magus addressed his mother as if he didn't even really know her at all, choosing to treat the woman as a stranger instead of a relative. At least he was speaking to her and wasn't seemingly outright hostile to his mother. Though he had quickly gotten her back on her own two feet and backed away from her... this entire situation for Magus must feel very awkward. Unlike Schala, he had spent who knows how much time of his life dedicated to accomplishing his vengeance against Lavos, and by extension, his mother. You didn't exactly know how old that Magus was right now, but it was obvious that he was older than Schala was thanks to his time spent displaced from time."Oh... I see..." Queen Zeal slumped to the floor without Magus to support her. "So... it was all for nothing then. All that I did while under Lavos' control... it was all for nothing..." She sighed, remorse in her tone as she looked at the floor. "But... for thousands of years? Then... what happened, to you, to Janus... to the Gurus?" The queen sounded uncharacteristically concerned about... well, everything! Or maybe this was entirely characteristic, and she had simply been corrupted a great deal by the power of Lavos?"The Gurus... were sent through time... stranded in unfamiliar worlds..." Schala answered her mother. "Eventually though, I ended up... meeting with Melchior, he seems to be doing well, at least." She was clearly hesitant to answer about Janus though, but Zeal wasn't satisfied with her answer."And... what of Janus... Schala? Did your brother survive what happened?" Almost immediately, the queen's concern switched towards her youngest son, namely Magus. It was very obvious that now she had been freed of the control of Lavos, Zeal was clearly a far better person than the woman you had faced previously. As if the darkness in her heart had been somehow purified by the absence of Lavos in her mind. "Janus... I can't really tell you much about Janus. He ended up in some sort of portal to another time, but it shut before I could grab him and drag him back from it." Schala shook her head sadly, pretending not to actually know what happened in order to spare both Magus and Zeal a great deal of awkwardness from interacting with each other. To Zeal right now, Magus was basically just some pointy eared stranger she'd never met before, not her son with a grudge against her, the two... well, they didn't exactly look very much alike, and you'd seen both Magus and Janus.
Magus grit his teeth, but remained silent, it appeared as if even now, he had yet to fully agree with the decision to free Zeal, and the fact that she was clearly far more innocent of the crimes she had committed than he believed she had been was also very clearly making it hard for him to continue hating his mother to the same degree he used to. Of course, even keeping that in mind, it would still be a long time before he'd truly be able to forgive Zeal, that was obvious. Though the fact that his mother was immediately concerned for his well-being after having regained her senses somewhat must have at least done something to change Magus' perception of the woman, you hoped."Oh... and... are you unable to find him...?" Now that she was no longer being controlled by Lavos, it wasn't entirely impossible to find the similarities between Zeal and Schala... well, at least when it came to their personalities, at least. The two women from their appearance alone were clearly related, she was almost as beautiful as her daughter was, now that her expression hadn't been twisted by hatred and... huh? Where did that thought come from? Schala was certainly beautiful, but... Saiyans weren't supposed to care about things like appearance, right? Right?"Sadly, yes... though I think that he must be doing alright, wherever he is... Janus was... always a resourceful young boy, and he's intelligent enough to get himself out of trouble when he finds himself in it." Schala gave Magus a wry glance, and her brother frowned deeply. "That's..." Queen Zeal shook her head. "No, I'm sure that I'll be able to find him if I look. I... I can't remember what I did while I was being manipulated by Lavos too well, but... I know that I was cold towards him. I can remember that much. While Lavos was using me, he only had an interest in... your magic, Schala. That was... the reason I treated you so..." Queen Zeal's voice trailed off, as a great amount of guilt seemed to start crushing her."Mother... do not burden yourself with such thoughts. I know just how terrible Lavos' control is, you weren't able to truly control yourself back then, so I cannot blame you for what happened. Lavos magnified the despair in your heart and used it to turn you into nothing more than a puppet to accomplish its goals." Schala reassured her mother that what had happened was not her fault. "Lavos... was using everyone as nothing more than a tool, until it got the opportunity to make contact with me, it's the sort of creature that manipulates everything... it even attempted to manipulate the fate of this planet in order to break free of the prison it had found itself. For Lavos... everything was nothing more than a tool, it only cared about itself."
"I know that now... and deep down, I think that a part of me even knew that during the time that Lavos was controlling me... a tiny part of me, unable to resist Lavos' control all the same... but..." Queen Zeal was clearly deeply regretful over what had occurred, and for good reason too. She had doomed her country, and as far as she knew right now, her son as well, not to mention all the suffering she had caused Schala to go through."You don't need to try to defend your actions, mother. There was nothing that any of us could've done to change our fates... they were set in stone... or they would have been, until..." Schala looked at you and smiled. "Until somebody heard my call for help." Her smile somehow made you feel better just by looking at it. "Now... we're free. And... Lavos is dead." Queen Zeal's eyes widened a great deal upon hearing the good news, but you decided to clarify."Erased, actually. Removed from physical existence over every moment in time... when I think about it, it's about the only way you can truly be sure that a creature capable of warping time to its favor was actually dead." You spoke, clarifying a little for Schala... well, she already knew what had happened, but had seemingly decided it would be simpler to give a less complicated response. It was funny how it turned out the way it did, with Kachi-Kachi's power during the fight against Lavos, when the monster was defeated, it had been truly defeated, with no recourse or way to return. After all, if a creature was able to manipulate both the past and future, and it was aware of its own death... would it not attempt to avert it somehow?"Impossible... Lavos is gone, truly?" Queen Zeal's eyes were still wide, and her mouth had curved into a smile, as if she had felt a great relief upon her, and some of the weight of her guilt that had been crushing her had been lifted away. "Then... what of my kingdom... what of Zeal? Did it... survive?" There was hope in her voice, but Magus answered her with the bad news."Zeal collapsed when Lavos awoke for the first time, that damn monster made sure of that. The casualties were innumerable, but humanity survived and persisted onward." Magus crossed his arms, eyeing Zeal with a great deal of suspicion even now, as if he were judging her every move, trying to make sure that the woman truly had changed. There was a brief pause in the conversation, and you begun to wonder if it might be a good idea to say something to the queen now.>>What will Rettace do?>Ask Queen Zeal about her thoughts on her son, Janus.>Ask Queen Zeal how Lavos managed to manipulate her.>Ask Queen Zeal what she's going to do now.>Tell Queen Zeal that Magus is actually Janus.>Other(Write-in)
>>5112625>Ask Queen Zeal how Lavos managed to manipulate her, then ask her what she's going to do now. >If she is unsure, tell her about our plans to take apart the Black Omen and build a new Spaceship, offer her a place with us, so she can stay with her Daughter.>Then separate and give Magus a knowing look, and tell him to tell her the truth. She's clearly nothing like what he learned about her while under Lavos' control, even if he doesn't forgive her, she still deserves to know her son is safe, and doesn't need to waste her time uselessly looking for him, or actually FINDING him in the past, and throwing everything into whack, AGAIN.How's this seem? I'm confident about none of it but the first part, because, why would we only ask Zeal a single question?
>>5112625>>5112718Support. I assume we're gonna tell her the full truth about who we are, why we're here and what we're planning to do as part of the sales pitch. And no, I don't mean just marrying her daughter.It's funny, in a way. She'll still get to travel the stars, except not as the immortal herald of a space parasite.Also>Schala was certainly beautiful, but... Saiyans weren't supposed to care about things like appearance, right? Right?Wrong.>Her smile somehow made you feel better just by looking at it. Now, that is right.
>>5112718i support everything but the last, i don't know if forcing magus to speak to hear right now is a good idea, she has been freed and they have the time to reconcile, but i get this suspicion if we force him right now he might get angry?Maybe we should at a later day talk to him alone so that we can confront him about it?
>>5112779i am pretty sure their warrior culture made it so that they only looked up to the strong, like if planet vegeta wasn't destroyed, the mc and the half demon breed would drown in pussy because of their power, meanwhile the females in our group would have Ordes of simps
>>5112897I don't see it as forcing him. Just telling him in private to do the right thing, sooner rather than later. But you could copy everything else and submit your own version of the write in if you agree with everything else.>>5112899Sounds about right for the typical Saiyan, but Bardock and his waifu prove it wasn't a universal trait. And everyone in our squad is a highly atypical Saiyan.
>>5112625>Your plan now, Queen of zeal?I dont want to take her with us, but if time-girl decides she wants her mother along then fine.
>>5112625>Ask Queen Zeal how Lavos managed to manipulate her, then ask her what she's going to do now.>If she is unsure, tell her about our plans to take apart the Black Omen and build a new Spaceship, offer her a place with us, so she can stay with her Daughter.
>>5112718Support.>>5112943I wouldn't mind having another powerful magic user along with us.Teaching the human Z-fighters some magic to keep them able to compete will be good.
>>5112718While I was scrolling through the catalog, I found this thread's thumbnail to be weirdly appealing so I decided to gice this quest a shot and Im glad that I did. I've never played Chronotrigger and I haven't watched Dragonball past the introduction of the Cell saga but it was all still fun to read. Schala is best girl.>>5112718I'll support this, It hits upon all of the relevant issues appropriately.
>>5112897>i don't know if forcing magus to speak to hear right now is a good ideaWhat this guy said. >>5112917And glad to see I'm continually having the occasional good idea around here.
>>5112989My concern is that we are taking on far too many former enemies. It's a bad precedent to have, though having her as a teacher in some capacity would be undeniably useful.My only qualm is that none of these cunts deserve to walk free, which they are doing now because we are too powerful to be denied when we say "let them walk free".the message is disturbing to me.>>5112988Your point anon?
>>5113203Presenting Cell saga if no ex-villains were spared. No Vegeta, no Trunks either. And Gohan's outfit is different without Piccolo there to train him.
>>5113203I could point out you're playing a Dragonball quest but it's too easy. Low hanging fruit.>My concern is that we are taking on far too many former enemies. It's a bad precedent to have I don't know what evil deeds Mayonne, Janus and Zeal have commited so I can't speak on that but none of our former enemies have acted against the innocent whilst we were with them nor do they intend to do so in the future. If we encounter a malevolent enemy, one who desires the suffering and enslavement of others out of their own free will, we kill them. Does that sound reasonable? >My only qualm is that none of these cunts deserve to walk free, which they are doing now because we are too powerful to be denied when we say "let them walk free". The message is disturbing to me.So your desire is retribution? Alright then, what punishment do you want? From community service to death sentence and what method you use to establish it.
>>5113233Mayonne was general of demons under Janus, which makes them complicit in all charges leveled against Janus. Death again is ideal, but they turned traitor before his defeat so. . really given the magical bindings, his punishment should be more akin to stark abstinence and used unceasingly in pursuits of good causes or repairing and advancing the people he tried genociding.Janus, Joined the demons and became their king with the express promise to lead them to taking over the world murdering and killing as his station demands with reasonable evidence to conclude a war of genocide.The wiki and all the shit I can search up is really light on this shit, mostly skipping over to mention how he killed a great hero of the humans and turned his squire [glen] into a frog.And from thereafter it's mostly him trying and failing to enact his goals, though he does destroy the world a few times in aborted timelines. For him, death is really the minimum.And Zeal, fucking Zeal, is the only one with any mediating circumstances but still enacted the troubles which caused all this.House arrest in a nice house, with understanding of furthering the collective good with her knowledge or at the minimum being banished if the circumstances cannot be cleared up with an understanding of penitence for threatening history multiple times..The primary issue is that none of these people are going to face any sort of punishment due to being enthralled or related to Schala, who we don't wish to upset. The only alternative therefore, is to refuse the new appearing lot to be banished from our company, which we can't even do to super-criminals 1 and 2 because we already tolerated them so far.>They've not acted against the innocent whilst we were with themThat doesn't mean the psychopath and the empathy lacking demon aren't evil and deserve to escape burning in hellfire just because we didn't see them do it in our time with them [ignoring us witnessing Magnus summon Lavos, a world ending event].We could ask Chrono and his possie if you prefer for a character reference.The crux of my argument, I suppose is that while we are merceneries who apparently only care for power, we are entering the company of the more morally pure influence. And this consistent recruitment of the most heinous criminals in history with barely a bat of an eye or any rebuke for their immorality cannot be reconciled if we continue to lose our pragmatic "they strong, listen to me, they fine" outlook.>>5113222A better world then.
>>5113233>If we encounter a malevolent enemy, one who desires the suffering and enslavement of others out of their own free will, we kill themLike Frieza? please tell me wukong will make frieza an actual villain and nobody here wants to befriend him. i like frieza but i hate when people butcher his character because they want to simp for him
>>5113285this is why i want janus to become the demon god, let his suffer trying to control makai for eternity. also since he is a chuuny.Zeal should past the eternity helping her daughter protect the timeline for her past trangesions.Honestly, the only one i agree he deserves the death are mayonne and magus, but i like them as characters to kill them, so i suggest they use eternity trying to protect the universe.
>>5113285A better world? Do you know nothing at all about Dragon Ball? Without redeemed villains, it would be a world where Raditz kills Goku, kidnaps Gohan to train him to be a murderer and Earth is destroyed. No villain in DBZ would have been defeated without the help of redeemed villains. And here's another pic of what DBZ would have looked like if you got your wish. Are you sure you're in the right quest?Mayonne's biggest crime is being a general in an opposing army and following Magus's orders. Magus himself did not want to take over the world, he just wanted to stop Lavos and avenge his sister any way he could. And Zeal was literally mind-controlled. Btw, Parzlee almost destroyed the world just a few hours ago. She would have done it if Kachi-Kachi hadn't cheated to give us the strength we needed to beat her. Does she deserve death too in your mind?>he does destroy the world a few times in aborted timelinesLiterally never. In At worst he just fails to kill Lavos, which was his actual goal.>mediating circumstances I think you meant mitigating here.>The primary issue is that none of these people are going to face any sort of punishment due to being enthralled or related to SchalaWhat?>[ignoring us witnessing Magnus summon Lavos, a world ending event].Summon it to KILL it anon. You haven't played Trigger, you haven't watched Dragon Ball, did you speedread the quest too?>The crux of my argument, I suppose is that while we are merceneries who apparently only care for power, we are entering the company of the more morally pure influence. And this consistent recruitment of the most heinous criminals in history with barely a bat of an eye or any rebuke for their immorality cannot be reconciled if we continue to lose our pragmatic "they strong, listen to me, they fine" outlook.Again, what? Literally none of that is true.>>5113291Last time Freeza came up we were discussing how best to desecrate his remains after killing him, so I think we're safe from simping to Freeza in this quest.>>5113296I don't think any of them deserve death. Freeza is a petty irredeemable asshole who kills people just for the heck of it. That's not the case for either Mayonne or Magus.
>>5113330>I don't think any of them deserve death. Freeza is a petty irredeemable asshole who kills people just for the heck of it. That's not the case for either Mayonne or Magus.i know, that is why i prefer if we can make them janitors for the universe than simply killing them.
Both >>5112994 and >>5113233 are me btw. Im on my phone now so if there are a bunch of 1 post ids they're probably me.>>5113285I was going to write a long response but >>5113330 made most of the points I would make. The only thing I have to add is that> Honestly, the only one i agree he deserves the death are mayonne and magus, but i like them as characters to kill them, so i suggest they use eternity trying to protect the universeIs pretty much what we're gonna do anyway. We will protect the universe and they'll be helping
>>5113338and my ip keeps changing and i don't know why. btw i am the one newfag who tried to edit recceta and is trying for the saiyan sisters
>>5113330I do know basically nothing about dragonball or chronotrigger, yes.But now onto the rest of it.Magnus had a goal, and that goal was kill Lavos. Acceptable.In service of this, he attempted to commit genocide in the war between fiends and humans. Unaccpetable.He then summoned lavos, which PER THIS QUEST, when we first got here the planet was an utterly barren ball of rock because lavos had been freed. Which if I remember correctly through all this shit, was done by Magnus and undone by us using further timefuckery. He isn't a good guy, nor is he at all aware he did anything wrong because it was all for A GREATER GOOD of his own free will. This isn't justifiable and in case you hadn't noticed, he still hasn't fucking apologized for any of it. Not a scrap of remorse or second thought for anything he's done save a bit of embarrassment that his sister rebuked him.>Flea's biggest crime is following ordersOf continued and protracted attempted genocide. Unacceptable.>MitigatingForgive my hands, they write too fast for my brain. But yeah, she was mind controlled and nearly completely innocent, so that's why her punishment is focused largely on keeping her safe from the people who think she did it without duress.>Summon to kill itAnd he FAILED to kill it, I read the quest and I've just had a look around his wiki on his actions and he fails to kill him in each instance when he summons lavos. Granted in the game he didn't wipe out all life on the planet, but not the same in the qst. His intentions don't matter if their result is catastrophic.And that's the issue. Unlike Parlzee who went insane [out of her sane mind, thus out of accountability] and started a rampage but ultimately didn't hurt anyone save us that Magnus and Flea acted in their sane minds, to do this reprehensible crap and they DID IT. Not going to, whereby they can be stopped. Not meant to, whereby they cannot be punished. Did it. Harm done, people dead, villages razed and fuck all can be done about it beyond punishment.And regarding my statement about a better world, fine, I'll rephrase myself."A more moral world where the unjust are punished rightly." I'm not sure if death is the right punishment given I haven't seen dragonball, but if anyone just blew up a planet of innocent people because they felt like it, they can probably be killed as a rule of thumb.>None of that is true.We are mercenaries in action and dealings with people, we do things for payment or out of necessity. We came here because we owed Kami a favour for his training and for busting us out. We saved this world because we had to to reclaim our team mates and get home.It's an accurate descriptionWe are or were rather pragmatic when we got here, with concepts of morality largely not rearing their head about shit we did and took people onto our team as and when they related to furthering our goals of saving the world, for the aforementioned reason of getting our team back and then keeping them.
"A question, if you would...Queen Zeal." You spoke up, you wanted to ask the queen a few things, and now is an excellent opportunity to find out a few things from the woman herself, while Schala's assessment of the situation wasn't something you doubted, you just wanted to get some answers from the woman herself. There was one big question that you needed to confirm about the woman before you could be certain that it was a good idea to trust her."You needn't refer to me by the title of Queen anymore... if my kingdom has truly fallen as you said... I am no longer the Queen... Though I suppose I shall keep my name as Zeal... I haven't gone by my birth name since I was a child." The queen shook her head. So... Zeal was a second name of some sort then? You pondered about the woman's true name for a while before she kept talking. "Yes... it would prevent confusion if I kept this name... and... a question? I'm more than willing to answer any questions you might have for me.""Then... can you tell me just how exactly Lavos managed to manipulate you? I've been pondering that for a while. The woman you were when you were under the control of the monster and the woman you are now are clearly very different people." Queen Zeal winced a little at that, clearly, that question was one that was going to hurt her to answer, but it was one that you needed the answer to nonetheless. You wanted to be absolutely sure you could trust her.Zeal took a deep breath before she answered. "Lavos... had been a recently new discovery among the people of the kingdom, an expedition led by my husband and myself and a large group of magicians set out to uncover a solution to the kingdom's... energy problem. The Sun Stone that had powered the kingdom for countless years had started to fail, and the Gurus predicted that we had less than ten years to find an alternate solution, or else the floating kingdom would collapse to the ground... During our time attempting to find solutions, we eventually ended up finding an odd cave system, a massive hole, as if an arrow had been fired through the planet directly into the core... and deep in that cave, a source of magic far greater than the Sun Stone could be felt." Queen Zeal stopped for a moment, the memories of what had happened still weighed on her."Lavos." You named the creature for her, and she nodded.
"Yes, that was the name of the being within the hole. Tens of thousands of ancient markings from millions of years ago were carved into the walls of the hole, and the archaeologists of the kingdom ended up discerning the meaning of them all. The most common was the carving for 'La' and 'Vos'. 'Large' and 'Fire', respectively." You felt like interrupting Zeal's story to tell her that not only did you already know that, but you had actually met the woman who ended up naming Lavos in the first place, but you held off. "The other most common words were 'Rep' and 'Tite' which together roughly translate from the ancient Iokan language as 'Lizard Enemy', as well as... dozens of different variations on the Iokan word for 'power' and 'death'.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O8jxKv8rvQ"So... there was an expedition formed to reach the bottom of this hole then?" Schala asked, clearly not even she had been informed of this much, the events here must've taken place before her birth, and Zeal when she was possessed by Lavos clearly wasn't the sort of person to want to share such personal information with anybody."Yes... but it was not an easy task... during the descent, even our greatest battle-mages fell to the monsters that had come to call the cavernous hole their home. They were able to easily exist off of the great level of magic power being exuded by Lavos, and their powers were great indeed." She shook her head, recalling what must've been a terrible journey. "Eventually, we had reached the end of the hole, and... my husband and I... we came face to face with it... with Lavos." She stopped talking for a moment. "We were hoping that the source of power that could be felt from the bottom of the hole was some sort of meteorite that had been infused with energy... nobody was expecting 'Lavos' to mean anything more than a large meteor striking the planet in ancient times." In hindsight, the name Big Fire probably wasn't the best name to give something that you wanted future generations to remain wary of. Damn it, Ayla."So... what happened next?" Even Magus had been intrigued by Zeal's story, and she nodded before continuing with her story.
>>5113379>ContinuedWith the introduction of Schala and her much more empathetic and "Good" leaning sensibilities, this is going to change I suspect. And if we keep taking in people who are utterly reprehensible then that's not going to go well, but denying them the treatment we are offering our prior cases is just hypocricy or even worse we will become apologists for bad actors because they seem mildly short of mustache twirling evil.TL;DR Magnus having a goal doesn't make him not evil, Just following orders isn't a valid excuse for doing evil and yes Zeal needs to be put somewhere safe unless everyone forgot she was lavos' puppet.>Is this the right quest for you?I've my issues with it but it's fun enough, I am simply starting to get tired of ignoring the terrible things people have done when the MC isn't evil and beginning to exhibit some capacity of moral thought.
"We were both shocked to see Lavos was actually some variety of... alien creature. True alien life from other worlds... it was not something that we had even considered could exist! But... I took a step forwards, I made contact with Lavos... I attempted to communicate the kingdom's need for power to it. I reached my mind out and attempted a form of... telepathic communication." She shook her head once again. "And that was the biggest mistake of my entire life." She sighed before continuing. "While... I could communicate with Lavos, and it amazingly agreed to allow the kingdom to siphon some of its power... even granting me the knowledge to create a machine that would allow such a thing, a machine that could siphon great quantities of energy more than what we had at the time..." She clenched her fists now. "But... Lavos never left my mind. Even when I had traveled far far away from it, the presence of the monster was still there. I couldn't feel it at first, it laid low, slowly growing in power... waiting for an opportunity to strike, acting in secret." She looked at Schala with sad eyes. "Eventually... my husband... and your father... died of an illness. It was a terrible illness that nothing even the full resources of the kingdom created was able to heal..." Losing somebody or something dear to you and being able to do nothing about it... it was truly a horrible feeling, and one you had experienced yourself in the knowledge of the destruction of the planet you grew up on... though you couldn't even imagine how much worse it would've been to actually see it happening while being physically present and unable to stop it."Yes... nothing worked, and he died no matter what was done to prevent his death, I remember, mother. That was why you had the kingdom work day and night to produce Panacea, is it not?" Schala seemed familiar with at least this part of the story, anyway.
Zeal nodded. "But by the time the first batch was ready, a miracle cure-all that could fix anything affecting a body, be it magical in nature or purely physical, he... died." Even reliving the memory was bringing her pain, and her eyes started to get damp. "That was... that was when Lavos struck, the influence that had once been kept hidden in the back of my mind rose to the surface, using the agony of my failure to save him... it kept that agony in my mind, unable to be forgotten, and it used that fear of failure... and the fear of death... to control me... that led me to demand the construction of the Mammon Machine to be finished... and when it was finally done, Lavos' control over me only grew exponentially more powerful." The more you found out about Lavos, and how it actually acted, the more you were disappointed that the death of the monster was likely relatively painless thanks to the erasure. Lavos was the sort of monster that shouldn't have been allowed to get off so lightly... though you did take some satisfaction in the knowledge that the creature was aware it had come so close to its goal before having it denied completely. You looked over towards Magus, and he was clearly shaken upon having heard the true reason for how things happened as they did. That his hatred towards his mother had been completely misdirected, and that she had simply tried to do the best that she could, always."Well..." You knew that you could trust her after that story... it would be impossible not to trust her after knowing just what she had gone through... it seemed as if Schala didn't in truth fall that far from the tree... but the fact that Lavos had the power to corrupt a good person to that degree was... well, it was terrifying. "What are you planning to do now that you're free of Lavos, anyway?" You needed to find out just what she planned to do now that she was no longer under the control of Lavos... considering that it had been thousands of years since her kingdom fell, there wasn't really much she could do at this point. "I... do not know. I can only surmise that my thoughts before freezing myself in that stasis crystal were of hope that I would be discovered soon after I encased myself. But... if the damage done to Zeal was as extreme as you say it was, that would explain why nobody ever came... but... how are you here, Schala? Has it not been thousands of years? You... do not look as if you have aged a single day since the last time I saw you!" You were wondering when she was going to bring that up."Well, maybe a day or two..." Schala awkwardly laughed. "It's... time travel. While you physically traveled to this era thanks to being encased in that stasis crystal, I came here thanks to Rettace and his friends." Schala revealed to Zeal that you had all actually been time traveling, and the woman tilted her head in surprise.
>>5113379>He then summoned lavos, which PER THIS QUEST, when we first got here the planet was an utterly barren ball of rock because lavos had been freed. Which if I remember correctly through all this shit, was done by Magnus and undone by us using further timefuckery.In the original timeline, Magus summons Lavos, fails to defeat him, and Lavos goes back to sleep. It then awakens during the 'present' time period and causes a cataclysmic event which Magus had nothing to do with.
"Wait... do you mean to say that controlled time travel is possible?" Zeal had once again been surprised by what actually ended up happening. Clearly, even to the most powerful magician in the Kingdom of Zeal, the idea of being able to control time itself to that level was beyond them."Yes." You answered the question. "While originally, time gates were used alongside a stabilization key in order to fix the point of travel and ensure safety, since then, a true time machine has been constructed that allows for the relatively unrestricted travel through time... though as far as I'm aware, it's attuned to the areas in which the time gates had opened up." You explained. "That's right, the time gates are the cause of some sort of odd natural phenomena that allowed for time to flow at an equal rate in each connected time period. Useful for not causing massive changes in the future... but that's not really the point here." Schala realized that she was getting a little too technical for the situation, so she stopped. You didn't need to discuss the mechanics of time travel right now."Right... so... if you don't know what you want to do... why not come with us?" You offered the woman, and she looked confused. "We're planning on heading into space, to take apart the Black Omen in order to use the material in order to construct a new vessel."But... why could you want to head into space?" Queen Zeal sounded surprised at your intentions, and you shrugged as you unfurled your tail from around yourself, uncovering it from the strip of fabric that you used to conceal it around your waist."Well, I'm not exactly from this planet. In fact, I'm as much of an alien on this planet as Lavos was." You smirked. "Though I'm not malevolent like Lavos was, I promise you that." You made sure to clarify that you weren't on the planet to siphon power from it like Lavos was doing. "In fact, I actually came here to stop Lavos! But... that's a complicated story." "Another alien... and... similar humanoid biology... shared language...?" Zeal seemed stunned to find you weren't a human, and started muttering to herself in surprise. It wouldn't surprise you if the woman had the belief that all alien life was simply creatures like Lavos... thankfully though, Lavos seemed to be quite the unique monster when it came to the cosmos. You didn't imagine you'd be bumping into another creature like him in the entire universe!"Mother?" Schala's smile became strained as she looked at her mother, who continued to speak softly to herself as she processed all the new information that had been revealed.
"Sorry, Schala... I'm just... thinking, is all." She then paused for a moment. "It was the wish of the woman I was when I was controlled by Lavos to travel the stars as his herald, but in truth, it's a wish that I have always held, even as a girl. I believe that was one of the things Lavos must have corrupted about me." She smiled at you. "If you are truly planning such a thing, then I will happily go with you... I would be a fool not to remain with my daughter... though... I cannot stop thinking about the fate of Janus... are you certain that you cannot find him in the past?" Zeal asked Schala to confirm, and you decided to take the moment to abscond from the conversation, giving Magus a look as you started to leave the room."Hold on, you two, me and Magus just need to discuss something important that has just come up, we'll be back in just a moment." You interrupted for just a moment as Magus reluctantly followed you, and Schala nodded quickly at you as you left the room with Magus."I know what you want me to do." Magus had his arms crossed, immediately on the defensive. "Controlled or not, I can't forgive her for what she did so easily." He said exactly what you knew he must've been thinking. "I... never knew my mother too well anyway, I've almost always known her as the woman who caused my sister to suffer. How do you expect me to just... get over that?" Magus actually sounded more like he was attempting to argue with himself than to you, but you shook your head, and opened your mouth to speak...>>What will Rettace say?>"You can't let her think that you're in trouble still, Magus.">"Stop acting like a child Janus. Grow up a little.">"Can't you see how much she cares? How much regret she has for what happened?">"Can you really hate your mother for being a victim of Lavos?">"Your relationship with your mother isn't of my concern, but I won't allow her to spend her life pointlessly searching for you.">Other(Write-in)
>>5113402>Can you really hate her for being a near mindless puppet of Lavos, who you evidently hate more?>The actual relationship isn't my concern, but the issues it causes will be. So if you intend to make peace with your family do it quickly or tell her you died.>>5113396I'll retract world destroying arrogance from the charges, but not the genocide.
>>5113402>"Can you really hate your mother for being a victim of Lavos?">"Can't you see how much she cares? How much regret she has for what happened?">"You can't let her think that you're in trouble still, Magus.">"I'm not asking you to forgive her. Just give her a chance."
>>5113402>>5113425Supporting this, any ONE option is useless on it's own, we need a bit more substance, to walk through the conversation a bit more slowly, to get him to open up.
>>5113418It was an attempt at making the ends justify the means. What's a little genocide if it prevents omnicide? It didn't, but he thought it would.
>>5113430Anon t-that. . . that doesn't make it moral or good.So he still deserves the death penalty.
>>5113430He didn't even genocide anything. He could have single-handedly won the war at any time after Cyrus failed to kill him and before Glenn met Crono and picked up the repaired Grandleon, if that's what he wanted.The reason Magus is the way he is, is because when he was still Janus, he found himself lost and alone in mystic territory. The only reason he wasn't killed was because of his incredible magic (Which humans of the era can't do), so he used that to make himself king. >>5113436Does Parzlee deserve the death penalty? You didn't answer that question before anon.
>>5113436Dude, you're fucking nuts, Magus, Mayonne, and the rest are 100% NOT deserving of the death penalty, this ain't IRL Earth law BS, this is Anime BS, where befriending enemies is ALWAYS the better option if they aren't a happily genocidal cunt like Frieza, which neither Mayonne or Janus is, Mayonne actually kept shit from Janus about the Demon Realm, because HE DIDN'T WANT TO FUCK THE WORLD UP MORE. And Janus wanted to Kill Lavos with a Ritual, he didn't want to Genocide ANYONE.What do you not get about this?
>>5113438I did reply to that by the way, look at the paragraph under the "summoned to kill it" part.If that's too long for your tastes, the short of it is that she broke our leg in a fit of madness before snapping out of it and no other harm was done.Magnus engaged in a war of genocide of his own mind and free will, because he thought it brought him closer to killing Lavos.>He didnt even genocide anythingHis war was explicitly one to wipe out humanity, regardless of if he actually wanted to do so. He commanded it, he permitted it and he had it carried out.His wants and his ends are immaterial, since they used immoral means to TRY and achieve them, and didnt even manage that.I'm going to cut this to the wick now. Are you of the position that what he did is completely justifiable under a moral pretense and deserves no punishment for his actions.If you answer yes, then that's an interesting position but one which is incompatible with my own.If you answer no, I'm very confused about why you are arguing this then or what your position even is.>>5113446I'll ask the same question to you. Are the actions of the demon king Magnus justifiable in a moral pretext and undeserving of punishment?>He didnt genocide anyoneHis armies killed the people of Guardia or whatever it is with the intent of wiping them out. The war was to wipe humanity from the face of the earth as far as everyone but him was concerned. Flea is compliant with this.Ends do not justify means unless those means are a last fucking resort and they ACTUALLY WORK
>>5113436Are you saying that if you could stop universal omnicide by sacrificing a single planet's population, you wouldn't?Are you some kind of beta?
>>5113425>>"Can you really hate your mother for being a victim of Lavos?">>"Can't you see how much she cares? How much regret she has for what happened?">>"You can't let her think that you're in trouble still, Magus.">>"I'm not asking you to forgive her. Just give her a chance."this, specially the last part, we must not force magus/janus into this desicion, we are at best a third party who wants to marry/hire his sister to fix time. i am not saying to grovel to him, but he can be usefull thanks to god ki and hax magic he can unlock later in quest.
>>5113436anon quick question, what would a death penalthy accomplish in here? we lose a powefull resource who can be used to better the universe, either as a guardian/gatekeeper in makai or as a timeline protector? if he dies, he will only get sent to hell and reincarnated, if we make him work for us for eternity he will have to do it.
>>5113474I would, then render myself onto the proper authority, be it god or some other equivalent.>>5113490Retribution. But since it will never occur, I am quite happy to settle for not adopting more psychopaths and evil warlords into our little band.
>>5113492what kind of retribution then, because i already told you, death penalty would just make them reincarnate and that would kind of stupid, we would lose magus, wich while he is cuntish and brocon, we would still lose an important talent, besides, we won't recruit frieza if that is what you are worried about.
>>5113459Curious to see your different approach to Parzlee vs Queen Zeal. But anyway.>He commanded it, he permitted it and he had it carried out.The war was going on before Magus entered the picture. Did you skip when I said that the Mystics would have killed him, a mere child, on sight if Ozzie didn't think his magic would be useful? Magus only commanded the Mystics to build him a cool castle with a cool ritual chamber and did approximately jack shit to help them with their war. Magus did not kill, or order killed, a single person who wasn't an enemy soldier trying to kill him.>Are you of the position that what he did is completely justifiable under a moral pretense and deserves no punishment for his actions.Anon, our disagreement lies in what he did. Yes, I view it as justifiable and deserving of no punishment, and I thought that was obvious from the argument.>Ends do not justify means unless those means are a last fucking resort and they ACTUALLY WORKNow, let me ask YOU a question anon. Do the ends justify the means if they actually work? Would you consider Magus completely justified in his actions if he had succeeded in killing Lavos in the middle ages?>>5113490>if he dies, he will only get sent to hell and reincarnatedThere is absolutely no way Yemma would send him to hell. He didn't stop the Mystics from the war they would wage regardless, and didn't help them out, like, at all. He mostly just stayed in his castle like a neet except when some fucker tried to kill him.>>5113492And who is the appropriate authority here anon? Retribution for who? And psychopaths and evil warlords? lmao anon, what are you smoking?>>5113495>broconErr, you mean to say siscon, anon. He'd be a brocon only if Schala was a man.
>>5113506>He'd be a brocon only if Schala was a man.:)Yeah sorry, my weebism isn't so high, and english isn't my first language so i get it confused but now i wonder, is schala a brocon?
>>5113495Not worried. Just determined to not do what apparently is the DBZ norm and start tossing every other vile villain into our ship as a haphazard second chance tour with none fo the "this is a second chance to do right" understanding.Maybe, telling them to fuck off instead after the monster of the week is dead.>>5113506That Parlzee hurt us via 1 limb while Zeal facilitated Lavos, abused Schala emotionally, abused everyone around schala physically, ruined Zeal with the mammon mahcine, then intended to feed Schala to Lavos so he could get her powers. . . Which means she should be kept away from the people she ruined, in the event of revenge? It's notthat interesting a difference anon.>He did jack shit.If he is their king and rules them, and he didnt stop it, he is complicit. Not lifting a finger to pull your armies back is still guilty.I dont see the point that he would have been killed if he couldnt do magic. What does that contribute? Okay? He would have been. So what?An argument for adopting their culture and cultural values?>If he killed Lavos, would you consider it worth it/completely justified.Hmm. No, it is not completely justified but at the same time he did stop Lavos in this situation, rendering every requisite step in that process essential. So yes, I wouldn't be giving him this hard of a time.>Who's the appropriate authority here.If dragonball is as closely aligned with journey to the west as it seems, judge Yu or his expy.If not, we do have the people he was complicit in helping kill, so give him to Marle and Chrono to sentence. Shit that reminds me, the war is still ongoing right? Or did Lavos' summoning end that?And they (magnus) are completely psychopaths or at the very least, devoid of empathy for anyone who isnt their family.
>>5113528wtf, anon you meant super, cause in dragon ball the major evil villians got perma killed, super is non canon for me, too retarded.Frieza only survived thanks to his species, goku though he killed him after he betrayed him, cell got gohan`ed, and majin boo was also destroyed, he even got reincarnated into a small indonesian boy
>>5113402>I don’t. But, with burden of all we know and have gone through, we all ever only have one mother. And second chances are luxuries that not many can claim… without resorting to violating the time itself anyway.>We both know keeping emotion in check can be taxing. But we also both know it’s worth the price of regret.
>>5113522Errr, I would say no. Brocon/siscon has an unhealthy connotation. Schala loves her brother, but not quite to this extent. Magus himself is only jokingly a siscon too.>>5113528>which means she should be kept away from the people she ruined, in the event of revenge?You mean... Schala who never stopped loving her mother and Magus who we are about to try convincing to give her a chance?>I dont see the point that he would have been killed if he couldnt do magic. What does that contribute? Okay? He would have been. So what?>An argument for adopting their culture and cultural values?So he should have just died? Is that what you're saying?>rendering every requisite step in that process essential. So yes, I wouldn't be giving him this hard of a time.Great news then! Lavos could have never been defeated without what Magus did. Every requisite step in the process was essential. So you'll stop giving him this hard of a time now?>judge Yu Who?>the war is still ongoing right? Or did Lavos' summoning end that?In the game, Ozzie keeps the war going for a while after Magus disappears but the Mystics are eventually defeated. Ozzie and his descendants remain the leader to this day, harboring the Mystics' hatred for mankind to this day. Or at least this is what initially happened. Crono and his party did all the games sidequests while we trained to beat Lavos, so they beat Ozzie and showed the Mystics that he was really a pathetic coward. Without Ozzie prodding them on the Mystics now live in peace and harmony with the humans. The war has been over for about four centuries now. And if you really want to blame someone for that war, blame Ozzie.
>>5113554I take it from your terms, nobody else remembers the kingdom of zeal? Except maybe Chrono and co.Died, killed Ozzie at some point, either first meeting him or after a year when he utterly surpasses him, or anything really.What I am actually saying is that being held at gunpoint when he was a kid doesnt matter when in the following 2 decades, that stops being the case and you still do nothing.>Will you stop giving him this hard of a time nowNo, because nearly everything he did only worked because WE DID IT and even without us, only worked because CHRONO did it. He can fuck right off with that shit, and so can you.Judge Yu was a judge in heaven in journey to the west, dont worry about it.I dont care to keep arguing, my opening stance and statement and feelings are unchanged save on the matter of taking Zeal and yours seem likewise unyielding in the matter. So why bother.
>>5113577>I take it from your terms, nobody else remembers the kingdom of zeal? Except maybe Chrono and co.No, one remembers the kingdom of Zeal. It was thirteen thousand years ago. Its existence and its downfall were lost to time. Its worse than the lost city of Atlantis, the party had never even heard the name before actually getting there. And we, and they, only got there because of Magus.>Died, killed Ozzie at some point, either first meeting him or after a year when he utterly surpasses him, or anything really.>What I am actually saying is that being held at gunpoint when he was a kid doesnt matter when in the following 2 decades, that stops being the case and you still do nothing.And if he does that he probably makes the war worse because a human betrayed and killed their leader AND he loses any hope of achieving his goal of stopping Lavos and avenging his sister. Congratulations?>No, because nearly everything he did only worked because WE DID IT and even without us, only worked because CHRONO did it. He can fuck right off with that shit, and so can you.Magus's ritual failed because WE messed it up. In the game the ritual fails because CRONO messes it up. And in the unaltered timeline the ritual fails because GLENN messes it up. Magus may have succeeded and saved the world if left by himself.>Judge Yu was a judge in heaven in journey to the west, dont worry about it.Give me a link. I've been trying to google him and getting nothing.>So why bother.Because it's fun?
you know, one of the things i await the most in this quest, is to show up to vegeta,radditz and nappa and casually transform into super saiyan. The shock and disbelief in vegeta's face would be great, specially because we cucked him from the legend.btw, if we plan to ally with goku's earth and the super saiyan, i propose we also train the earth's saiyan and teach them how to become one, and they teach us their special attacks, since we don't have anything like that.
>>5114126Vegeta's reaction when he turns his scouter on us is gonna be great>"HIS POWER LEVEL IS WHAAAAAAAAT?"I wonder if his grandfather told him about us, as a lesson of how ruthless and underhanded you have to be to get rid of a potential threat to your rule.I don't see any other way than allying with the z fighters. I don't want to live on Earth, but with a teleporter there Earth will be just next door. wdym we don't have anything like that though?
>>5114134nah, his grandpa was dead by the time he was born. Also his scouter only goes up to 500k right? i don't remember it well, but past that point they explode right?
>>5114142I got the impression they exploded when people fluctuated their power really quickly. At the very least a model had to exist that could reach 1 million, because Freeza said his power in his 2nd form got measured at that amount.
>>5114318Most Face-mounted Scouters have a hard cap of power detection, there are also Ship-mounted Scouters that have far more processing power. Frieza was probably talking about a Ship-Mounted Scouter that measured his PL.
"Can you... really hate your mother for just being another victim of Lavos, Magus?" You knew that this was the best chance you'd have at getting Magus to reconcile with his mother, and while you didn't truly care all too much either way, it was clear that it was what Schala wanted. You didn't have any doubts that if it were Schala trying to convince Magus, she'd probably not have much trouble... or maybe she would? After all, Magus might be a little less receptive towards Schala in a situation like this, because Schala's thoughts on the matter and about Zeal were easily read. "You heard her story, you heard what happened to her. Can you truly bring yourself to hate her for what happened?" Magus grit his teeth, he wasn't enjoying this conversation at all."I know that how I feel is both petty and foolish, but... after all I've been through... to suddenly believe that I can ever face that woman as my mother again... after all the time I've spent dreaming of enacting revenge on her for what she did... do you really expect me to be able to welcome somebody like that back with open arms?" Magus' concern was valid. The amount of time he must've spent hating the woman who Zeal was turned into by Lavos' control was immense, but that wasn't an excuse to not attempt to reconcile with her... even you knew that much. "Magus... can you really not see how much she cares? How much she regrets all that had happened because of what she did?" In truth, it wasn't even her fault that anything happened at all. Zeal really only truly made one mistake, and that was making contact with Lavos in the first place, but at the same time, it was her duty as the Queen that led her to finding Lavos. It wasn't simply like she was being careless or foolish and that led to what happened. "Of course I can see!" Magus raised his voice. "Do you think I'm a fool? I know that my mother can't truly be blamed for her actions, and clinging onto my current feelings about her is idiotic... but how do you expect me to just let them go so easily? I don't want her to keep worrying about what happened to me as Janus either! It's too late for her to do anything about that!" You narrowed your gaze, was that the reason behind Magus' resentment then? "But... even so, you can't let her keep thinking that Janus... that you're in trouble. Can you not see how worried she is about you?" Really, it was strange, the idea of being worried about things that happened hundreds of years ago, but you supposed that was a natural result of so much time travel being involved in things here on Temperus. Time travel naturally complicated everything, and you kind of hoped that you'd never have to use it so heavily ever again. Though considering the existence of Kachi-Kachi, and the potentiality of Schala becoming the Supreme Kai of Time of this history, you didn't know if you'd truly be able to avoid getting involved in things like time travel again... much to your displeasure.
"I... fine. I'll tell her of what happened... in a few days. Allow me some time to adjust to her... being herself. I need to know for myself. It's all good taking her at face value that she's telling the truth about what happened, but... I would prefer to err on the side of caution about my mother. To ensure that she really is the good person that she's now making herself out to be." You didn't know just why Magus was so negative in his opinion about his mother, but then it dawned on you... could it be that he couldn't remember the sort of person that Zeal was before she was corrupted by Lavos? That would explain just why he was so reluctant to trust her... he'd never known her from before she became Lavos' puppet! "Look, I'm not telling you that you need to forgive her, that's not my place, but... I'm just asking for you to give her a chance. I trust Schala's judgment on this one, and I genuinely believe that Zeal is no longer the woman you or I remember." Honestly, you didn't think anybody could truly blame the queen for what happened to her any longer, not after hearing her full story. "Very well, I shall tell her of my identity... and... give her the chance you want me to, in a few days. I must first be certain of her intentions." Magus was still not entirely open to the idea of reconnecting with his mother, but... that was a start at least."Fair enough." You shrugged. It was about as best as you thought you were going to get from Magus at all, he was pretty damn stubborn. It was pretty impressive that you actually even managed to get him to agree to this much... you could've forced the issue by just revealing that he was Janus yourself, but that would almost certainly cause more problems than it was worth,As you were about to return to Schala and Zeal, you felt the returning presence of your allies, you hadn't been paying too much attention to their Ki signatures, but it was impossible not to feel them when they were this close. Lucca was the first of the group to spot you, and waved. "Hey! We uh... we found the flower! Did you manage to free the queen?""We did." You confirmed as Lucca got a little closer."Uhhh... that's... maybe good?" Lucca didn't sound like she knew how to feel about the queen being free either, though it's not like she really had any reason to dislike Zeal, she also didn't have any reason at all to trust her... it was more a neutral response. "Anyway, now that we've got the flower, we're pretty much all set to leave... though..." Lucca looked around for a moment, clearly thinking of something."What is it?" You knew that whatever she wanted, it was probably going to add a considerable amount of time to how long you intended to spend in the Omen."Well, I'd like to set up a teleporter here, but I'll need to spend a while going back and forth building one before it'll be ready..." She shook her head. "But really, it's not important." Looks like she changed her mind.
"Would it not be simpler to simply take the entire ship back to land? I'm sure I can devise a magical ritual to lift the ship from the ocean." Magus offered to actually take the ship itself to land, which would of course make the salvage attempt far easier, of course... you could also directly attempt to lift the entire ship from the bottom of the ocean yourself... while in your current state, it wouldn't be possible to lift such a colossal vessel... the power of a Super Saiyan surpassed an Oozaru greatly... you might just be able to do it!>>What will Rettace do?>Tell Lucca that her teleporter plan is fine, Schala probably won't mind.>Tell Lucca that Magus' plan to lift the ship will work well for salvage.>Tell Lucca that you'll lift the ship by yourself.>Ask Lucca if it wouldn't be wiser to attempt to see if she can't get the ship working long enough to get it to surface.>Other(Write-in)
>>5114648>Other(Write-in) "How long would this ritual take Magus?"If it takes more than a day I would prefer to just lift the ship ourselves.
>>5114661I'll support.If his magic shit takes 12 to 24 hours, just push that shit ourselves.
>>5114648>Tell Lucca that Magus' plan to lift the ship will work well for salvage.Just let him have this, why would we care about how he uses his time?
>>5114668>Just let him have this, why would we care about how he uses his time?Because he has a more important goal than lifting a ship we can lift ourselves."Allow me some time to adjust to her... being herself. I need to know for myself. It's all good taking her at face value that she's telling the truth about what happened, but... I would prefer to err on the side of caution about my mother. To ensure that she really is the good person that she's now making herself out to be."
>>5114677We could encourage her to work with him on the ritual. Give them something productive to work with together so Magus can come to turns with who she is now compared to how he remembers her from where he was a kid.
>>5114680That may be a good idea but I wonder if it's better to do that or allow her some time to get adjusted to having her whole life getting turned upside down. If we do do it we should talk to her first before telling Magus to start working on the ritual.
>>5114684hmmm, you're right. I'd support a write-in telling Magus that and then asking Zeal and Schala their opinion.
>>5114661>>Tell Lucca that you'll lift the ship by yourself.supporting this, also would be good to practice our super saiyan transformation, also to flex muscle on waifu is always good.
>>5114648>Tell Lucca about Magus and our own ideas, along with the option to just turn it on for a bit with Queen Zeal's assistance to just land it normally, then let her decide.
>>5114648>Tell Lucca that you'll lift the ship by yourself.
>>5114648>Tell Lucca that you'll lift the ship by yourself.Sometimes you forget how strong DBZ characters are when it comes to lifting shit.Mostly because DBZ is inconsistent.
>>5115619>gets killed by laser>survives a planet destroying supernovaToriyama is one of the greatest hacks because of the ass pull he does.
>>5115622I don't mind people like Freeza tanking planet explosions, destroying planets isn't impressive anyway, you can put it down to more condensed attacks hurting stronger enemies.Stuff like Freeza on namek lifting mountains with his mind compared to Super Vegeta being unable to lift 1000 tons is retarded though.
>>5115630>super vegeta being unable to lift 1000 tonswait wat? when did this happen? in what timeline?
>>5115637In Super.Vegeta fights a metal man and can't lift him before saying he must weigh 1000 tons.Super is bad.
>>5115639super nerfed dragon ball because toriyama is a cuck hack. fuck that shit of laser pistol killing goku
>>5115651It's mostly Toyotaro, Toriyama is long past giving a shit.
>>5115669isnt he that one fanfiction writer who made af?
>>5115681Yeah.That's why Goku Black shares so many story beats with Xicor.
>>5115622Toriyama does not deserve to be called a hack at all. He's far from perfect but he was able to keep a story fun for more than a decade. And Super was not his fault.There are other japanese writers who deserve this far more. Like Masato Kato, the fucking faggot who wrote Chrono Cross.
>>5115803yeah you are right, at worst he let his work be destroyed more for more money, but who can blame him for wanting more
>>5115830>he let his work be destroyed more for more moneyThe actual reason is that he saw the hollywood movie and hated it so much that he wanted to make it so that it wasn't the last thing from Dragonball people remember. So he did Battle of Gods, which led to, well, where we are now.
>>5115830At least his Dragon Quest designs are still max kino.
"Actually... rather than bother with something like creating a teleporter or... a magic ritual..." You smirked. "Why don't I just lift the entire Omen from the ocean floor?" You knew for a fact that the Super Saiyan transformation had to be powerful enough to accomplish such a thing. The Black Omen's construction should also be durable enough for you to lift without crashing through the exterior of the ship... though you weren't foolish enough not to attempt to brace the ship as you did the last time you attempted such a thing."Are you... out of your mind?" Magus tilted his head in confusion. "I know you might be proud of your power, but... the Omen is about the size of a mountain range!" Magus tried to warn you off of what he saw as a foolish endeavor, but you just kept smiling."So what?" It wouldn't be easy to lift the entire ship from the bottom of the ocean, you knew that much, but at the same time, you knew that it wouldn't be impossible either. You had become the legendary Super Saiyan, and while your battle against Parzlee while she was undergoing that strange transformation of hers had established that your power wasn't unlimited, your strength as it was couldn't compare to the power you had now. "It might not be easy, but you'd do well not to underestimate the power of a Super Saiyan, Magus." "Super Saiyan..." You heard Mayonne repeat the term, as if lost in his own thoughts, but you didn't bring attention to it, you wondered if the demon may have somehow heard of the transformation himself, though it was extraordinarily unlikely."Even so... how exactly are you planning on surviving the incredibly dense pressure that would come from being at the bottom of the ocean without any sort of protection...? Or... what about breathing?!" Lucca seemed startled by the idea that you were just planning on brute-forcing everything. "Even if you had the strength to lift the ship, I'm asking you to reconsider, you don't have nearly the right amount of protection to survive at the bottom of the ocean!" She was really trying her hardest to get you not to go through with your plan, but she almost certainly didn't really understand just how powerful that you were either. Pressure crushing down on you wouldn't feel like anything."Lucca... my planet... the planet that I grew up on... it had gravity equal to ten times that of this planet's gravity." She narrowed her eyes at that, as if she was using that to determine something in her head. Likely she was trying to recalculate your survival odds at the bottom of the ocean with that in mind. "I can survive the pressure of a little bit of water." You stretched your arms a little bit, before putting them to your side, raising your power to its limit, and... "Hyah!" You vocalized a short shout as you focused on bringing out that golden power once again. "So long as I can do this, I'm more than strong enough to survive."
"Well... even if you can become blonde at will, and..." The scouter that Lucca had made for herself started to beep wildly as you could see an error message pop up. "Wow... you really are strong using that power, huh? Incredible... you Saiyans don't cease to amaze." She proceeded to take off the malfunctioning scouter before putting it in one of her pockets. "Power aside though, you're going to need a supply of oxygen, even if your body is as powerful as it is. I highly doubt that your lungs are similarly trained.""Huh? What... are you getting at?" It sounded like Lucca knew something that you didn't, and the girl just shook her head."How many breathing exercises have you done before, to attempt to... train your lungs, so to speak? Your body and your muscles might be extraordinarily powerful, but... your internal organs are a weak point, and that includes your lungs. The pressure at the bottom of the ocean is so great that for as strong as your body is, it still wouldn't protect the massive crushing power from removing all of the air from your body extremely rapidly, and... well, you'd die from asphyxiation in no time at all." Lucca said grimly, and you frowned. She was obviously right, but then you had another idea."Well... obviously, going outside of the ship will be dangerous, but..." Your smile grew wider as you raised a hand above your head and started to levitate upwards slowly. "What if I don't need to lift the ship from the outside?" You formed a disk of light green energy above your head, expanding it further and further in order to brace your attempt to lift the ship. You'd lift the ship... from the inside!>Roll 1d100 Best of 5>DC 40
Rolled 76 (1d100)>>5116103>Lift the 20km ship>From the inside>DC 40AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. LET'S GOOOOOO
Rolled 50 (1d100)>>5116103please work
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Cant we use our ki to form a bubble around us to breath in space and underwater?
Rolled 84 (1d100)>>5116103Also forgot to roll
>>5116181You can do that... theoretically, but it's not super reliable, requires constant effort to keep active in a way that prevents you from really doing anything else with your Ki in something like a fight, and limits you to however much air is in the bubble in the first place.To get an ability like that to a more usable level, you'd need to spend time focusing on training it.
>>5116181>>5116203so, like anon said, it's possible but hard. got it
"Wait... stop! What are you doing?!" Lucca tried to call out to stop you, but you simply started to laugh wildly. "There's... no way... you can't just lift the ship up from the inside, that... this doesn't even make any sense! Everything I know about the laws of physics... it's disintegrating before my very eyes!" Lucca for some reason started to lament what was happening. You reached the ceiling of the room and you spread out the disk of energy to cover pretty much everything it could before you started to push upwards, causing the entire vessel to begin creaking and groaning loudly. "Really? You can accept the existence of magic freely, but somebody lifting something up while still inside it is too much for you?" Mayonne sounded annoyed at Lucca's apparently frustration at what you were doing right now, and it caused the science prodigy to snap at the demon."Just because I've accepted the existence of magic, that doesn't mean I've given up on figuring out exactly what mechanics are behind it!" Lucca declared with a hint of pride. "But... this isn't even impossible going by the laws of physics I'm aware of... I just... I just don't like how the practical application of abilities like self-powered flight and... well, incredible strength allow for stuff like this... I mean... I'm fine with it, but..." Lucca was having difficulty with articulating her trouble."What Miss Lucca is trying to say is that she isn't appreciative of her prior knowledge of physical interactions of two objects being completely obliterated by the unexpected usage of the powers Rettace is displaying right now... well, her prior practical knowledge, at least." Robo corrected himself, and Lucca adjusted her glasses, it looked like she'd already gotten over her weird tantrum already... you weren't even applying that much force to the ship right now, you were mostly attempting to test if the Omen could take the strain of being lifted in this fashion before using your full power to uplift the massive ship from the bottom of the ocean."Of course, something like an object being lifted from the inside is... theoretically possible, but that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it!" Lucca harrumphed, looks like she hadn't managed to completely get over the... unconventional way to lift something up. "From all the laws that I was aware of before... well, before people started to just fly using their own natural abilities, lifting something you were actually inside was considered to be a total impossibility." She sighed. "After all, what was to stop you from just getting strong enough to lift yourself and then standing in something and lifting that up along with yourself? At least... that was the logic before people started seemingly doing exactly that." The girl shrugged. "I'm definitely going to need to write a few books on the mechanical interactions of Ki on the physical universe, just to get all the questions it raises out of my head."
"Hey! Robo!" Seeing that there was something of a pause in their conversation about the feasibility of your decision to lift the ship from within, you called out to your robotic ally, and he looked up at you. "Can you use your... uh... scanners to ensure that the ship isn't gonna be torn apart when I use more of my strength?""I shall. Right now, the interior of the Omen is showing itself to be at 99.9999 percent structural integrity. Incredible..." Even Robo seemed impressed by the massive strength of the ship, and oddly enough, it was Magus who explained just how such impressive structural strength is possible."Of course it's still going to be fine against something like this. This vessel was quite literally designed to last for millions of years, not to mention house who knows how many of Lavos' spawn. It's practically indestructible." Magus crossed his arms, his explanation was fairly satisfactory, so you used a little bit more of your power to lift the ship, and the creaking and groaning turned into a sound of crashing as the ship broke loose of the millennia of sediment that had been deposited on it since it was first created. The ship seemed to be loose now, and you couldn't feel nearly as much resistance as you continued to push upwards. "Robo, what's our current depth compared to sea level?" Lucca asked, it was a good idea, and it would actually let you know when you could stop pushing the ship upwards. There was no point going any further than to sea level. "Negative 3800 meters... and rising... 3780... 3750..." Robo answered quickly, though the ship wasn't moving up incredibly fast, you'd still be clear of the ocean in a few minutes."W-what is going on here?" Schala came out to the corridor alarmed and asking questions, Zeal at her side, both looked fairly alarmed by the sudden movement of the ship, though that was understandable."Nothing to worry about, Schala!" You called down to the floor. "I'm just lifting the Omen!" There was a hint of boastfulness in your voice as you revealed that you were lifting the entire ship from within the ship itself. "You're... doing what?!" Schala sounded even more alarmed when you revealed what you were up to. "But... how?! The ship is... huge!" Zeal seemed to be even more shocked than her daughter, stunned into silence by your actions."I'm pretty strong, huh?" You then turned to Robo. "How are we looking on depth, Robo?" You didn't want to take the ship up too far, though it wouldn't really make much of a difference if you did. You'd end up needing to get outside of the ship in order to get in on land anyway. "Currently at 1500m till surfacing and rising rapidly!" Robo's mechanical sounding voice was quick to answer you, and you nodded before you powered up a little more in order to push even harder, your aura flaring brightly for a moment as you increased the speed of the ship's ascent upwards.
"This is..." Schala didn't seem to have the words to express herself as she watched you do something that she must've thought should have been impossible. Hell, everyone must've thought doing something like this was impossible, but the power of a Super Saiyan was proving that for you, nothing was impossible! You shouted as you powered up even more, and you could suddenly feel almost all resistance disappear a few seconds after you properly put some effort into it, and there was no need to ask Robo if the ship had finished surfacing, you could feel just from the lack of resistance that you had succeeded. "Uh... Zeal... is this ship buoyant, by the way?" You wanted to know if you could let it go without risking it sinking to the bottom of the ocean."It... should be, so long as the ship is still in good shape... I remember that much." The queen got out of her state of shocked silence and answered you quickly, and so you stopped putting any effort into lifting the ship. "I cannot believe that you just did that." Lucca sighed. "If you could've gone golden like that against Lavos in the first place, we wouldn't have had any trouble at all!" Well... technically, you almost reached this state against Lavos, but it seemed like you simply didn't have the prerequisite level of strength at the time in order to truly access the form, leading to an nearly impossible to control form that suffered from an out of control rage... a sort of 'false' Super Saiyan. "I only learned how to become a Super Saiyan recently, Lucca." You shook your head. "Besides, in our first encounter with Lavos, I doubt even that going Super Saiyan would've been enough alone with my level of power back then... it's not just that I've gotten access to this form, I've gotten far more powerful outside of using it too." You corrected Lucca. "In terms of strength, I'm not comparable to the person I was yesterday." Though it had come at the cost of not being able to grow your strength any further for a fairly great amount of time... it was worth it.You descended from the ceiling, now secure in the belief that the Black Omen wasn't going to just drop into the ocean again the moment you stopped supporting it. "So... are you all Schala's friends then?" The once queen addressed everyone in the room, but she didn't seem to be able to remember whatever relationship she had with Zi. Of course, when you thought about it, it was unlikely she'd have been able to remember Zi seeing as any of her memories she might've made about the shapeshifting slime would've been taken from her. It was a wonder that Zeal managed to accomplish so much back when she was still cursed with that horrible magic.
While Zeal introduced herself to everyone, you walked over to Schala, making sure that she was alright. You feared that she might've tripped and hurt herself somehow during your attempt to lift the ship, but... you quickly put that fear out of your mind. Schala might not be nearly as powerful as you were in physical ability, but her natural abilities meant that it shouldn't really be easy for her to hurt herself like that at all. You and Schala locked eyes for a moment, and she smiled at you, before you turned away quickly, you didn't understand why though...As everyone spoke and Queen Zeal told her story to the rest of your allies, you started to think about where exactly you should put the Omen... you couldn't just leave it in the ocean...>>What will Rettace do?>Place the ship down close to Lucca's house... or as close as you can.>Try to find a good place in Guardia to hide the ship... the 20km long... mountain range sized ship...>Just leave the ship on one of Guardia's beaches.>Ask Lucca where she wants the ship left.>Other(Write-in)
>>5116521>>Ask Lucca where she wants the ship left.
>>5116521>Ask Lucca where she wants the ship left.>"Oh yeah, we should probably tell the others that we're he ones moving this massive thing before they panic. Schala, mind opening a Portal to the others? Robo, mind going through and telling them what's up?" (Tell her where they are using Ki Sensing.)
>>5116521>Ask Robo for an optimal location to land the ship. He seems like he might be the best bet for something like that, and he could probably direct you fairly accurately with his various sensory implements.
also, guys after we deal with the ship, can we check on the twins if they are up? i want to ask them if they want to train to unlock the false super saiyan stuff or what in their training, besides we need to start making a plan to take revenge on frieza.We know by meta he is in namek or going there, but in character we know jack shit, so i vote to discuss with them if we can go back to the demon twins´s word for a quick check and ask the kami the whereabouts of frieza or going to the nearest space port to ask for him.Though the second option is more suspicious, we can mask as mercenary looking to be hired by him. Well, this is well in the future because we still need to find ayla and say goodbye to her and glen.
>>5116992We have 10 months
>>5117038>>5117036well yeah, but i still want to check on the twins to know how they are dealing with it. i don't want parze to go full evil the moment she sees frieza or she might blow up namek with us in it
>>5116992>>5117044We should definitely teach them all how 2 Super Saiyan, Sycam and Euca too, and we should definitely check up on them and talk about to them if they want. But I think we should let them rest and process what happened first. There's no reason to hurry. As anon said, we have ten months before the ship's ready.As for how to find Freeza, I suggest we plot a course to Onisthena and make stops on space stations and planets that aren't too far out of the way. That should maximize our chances of finding the information we want.
>>5117153anon, that is why i wanted to check on them, they are the oldest members of recceta´s squad. They deserve a little of our attention if only to avoid mental problems or worse. for all they know the three of them are the last pure saiyans, and the demon twins are the last half saiyans.
>>5117163We know there are other pure saiyans. We met Goku while we were dead.
>>5117186ah that is true, and i think he told us of the other 3 right? but still, i said they know we are the last saiyan, i don't think we told them of goku while dead
>>5117203Did we mention seeing a Broly and his dad in a vision to them or just to Schala?
>>5117248nope, we only said it to schala, since we sleep together in the grass and all that.
"So uh... Lucca... you're the one who's going to be using this ship the most for salvage, so... do you have any preferences as to where you'd like me to leave the Black Omen?" While the ship wasn't really all that difficult to lift while you were transformed into a Super Saiyan as you were right now, you didn't exactly know how long you could truly keep the form active. While it didn't seem to be altogether that draining, you could tell that it was having a toll. Of course, just keeping the form active without actually fighting within it wasn't taking nearly as much energy as it would otherwise take, but that didn't mean that you could keep the form active forever either. "Well... I did want it left in the ocean in order to prevent having to answer too many questions, but... hmm... I suppose it might be an idea to have you land the ship on the Sun Shrine's island..." Lucca seemed to quickly make up her mind as to where she wanted the ship to be placed. Schala and Zeal seemed momentarily surprised by her decision, but quickly recovered their calm. You didn't doubt that where she had decided for the ship to be landed would be good, but... there was a problem."I... I'm gonna admit that I don't know where that is." Sun Shrine, huh? You'd... need instructions for that one, especially if you weren't just going to be able to eye it or use Ki signatures to guide you to the direction you needed to be taking the ship... you'd basically be going entirely by eye, and that probably wasn't for the best when you didn't know how long you could keep the Super Saiyan transformation up for, you simply didn't have the strength to even consider lifting the entire Black Omen in your base state."It's a relatively small island far in the north-east from Guardia... about 40 kilometers across if I had to guess... large enough to place the omen, and the island itself is uninhabited. The only real feature of the island is the mountain that houses the Sun Shrine, nobody ever visits the island though, so it'll be easy for us to keep the Omen there without raising any questions from anybody!" Though really, it was more a matter of convenience that you were keeping the ship hidden from the rest of the world. It's not like they could do anything about it, but you just didn't want to be bombarded with questions, and you were betting Lucca didn't either."Alright... great. Schala?" You turned towards the blue haired girl, who looked at you quickly. "I need you to do me a few favors... the first is getting me on the outside of the ship... you can make a short range portal, right?" You didn't even know if the Black Omen had any physical entrances or exits... or if it did, you'd never found any. You had to make sure that the Omen kept floating, so you couldn't afford to go looking for a way to exit the ship, it was fine for now, but... it could easily start to sink again if something went wrong.
"I can, do you want me to do it now?" Schala sounded ready to open up a portal immediately, but you held out your hand to stop her, preventing her from getting ahead of herself and opening a portal right away. "Just a second... first I want you to open a portal to everyone else, then I want you to go through, Robo." You turned to face the large robot, who nodded. "We can't just let everyone else think that something might be happening that they need to stop right now." It was a valid concern, most people if they realized that a giant ship was rising out of the ocean would naturally assume that whatever force was behind it was antagonistic... it just wasn't the sort of thing that happened."Alright... I believe that they're at Guardia Castle right now, so..." Schala muttered a few incantations under her breath in order to finalize the spell, and then she launched it forwards, opening a gateway directly to the interior of Guardia Castle, which Robo quickly hurried through and Schala closed the gateway."Right... now I need you to get me out of the ship, Schala. You can do that, right?" Her abilities with the magic that you also wielded far surpassed what you were capable of, to the point where your control over the form of magic looked weak and amateur compared to what she was able to pull off... if she had the natural supply of magic energy, she may well have been able to stop Lavos by herself!"I can... but you're going to need to be quick..." Schala confirmed what you already knew. "If you hesitate too long..." She shook her head, apparently changing her mind about saying any more, though also clearly still wanting to say more... though you supposed whatever she wanted to say must not have been important if she had decided against it."That's not a problem. Schala!" You smiled at the girl. "I promise that I'm not going to take that long to ferry this city sized ship across the world." You were being honest too, the only thing limiting your speed right now was the fact that you had to keep the ship traveling with you by either dragging it, lifting it, or pushing it along somehow."Alright then, but be careful, OK?" Schala warned you to be careful, but you had no idea why. Careful? Careful of what? There wasn't exactly anything you knew that could pose a threat to you. Uncertain of why Schala was warning you, you nodded at her, and the girl quickly opened another portal, only for water to start rushing through. You and Lucca nodded at each other and both raced forwards exiting through the portal and finding yourself mostly underwater just underneath the ship. Looks like the portal was about as accurate as you could possibly have hoped, and you soon found yourself bracing the ship once again, preventing it from falling, only from the outside now.
Lucca was flying alongside you in order to give you the directions to the Sun Shrine's island, and you...>>What will Rettace do?>Tried to get yourself and the ship there as quickly as possible.>Travel at a normal pace.>Keep a slow pace, try to focus on control over the new form over anything else.Other(Write-in)
>>5118193>>>Travel at a normal pace.it's great to wake up to an update, but wukong i think you have a little pacing problem.We have been dealing with this ship problem for over a week. which is no problem but i don't think we needed a vote for us to decide at which velocity we wanted to go? anyways, besides the pacing update, your quest is great
>>5118193>Keep a slow paceUse it as training time., power control
>>5118193>Keep a slow pace>>5118224We've done more on the omen than just pick it up for salvage anon.
>>5118193>Tried to get yourself and the ship there as quickly as possible.Gotta go fast
>>5118193>Keep a slow pace, try to focus on control over the new form over anything else.No need to rush, and slow for us is still DAMN fast.
While we wait for the ship to be ready during our training to catch up to our current level, we should probably focus on trying to master super saiyan or at least reach Grade 2... maybe create some new techniques too?
>>5118248we still need our special beam attack, i vote to try and create final flash. it it's my favourtie
>>5118266We have mirror wave, and Final Flash is cringe and employed only by jobbers to job.We don't need to ape such a dogshit attack.
>>5118193>Keep a slow pace, try to focus on control over the new form over anything else.Slow and steady wins the race. Let's try not to jostle the people inside Schala too much.>>5118224I don't see any problem with the pacing. Look at what we did recently: Freed Zeal, reunited Schala with her mother, convinced Magus to give her a chance, lifted a fucking mountain range sized ship, and that's only the most recent things we did in that ship.>for over a weekI think the issue here is your impatience with the real-life time things take instead of the story's pacing itself, but you gotta keep in mind than an update a day or so is pretty decent by /qst/'s standards.>>5118248We have to keep training to pay off the strength loan that Kachi-Kachi gave us and we have to train Schala and teach the others how to go Super. If we can do more than that, I agree we should focus on mastering Super Saiyan.>>5118266>final flashAbsolutely not
>>5118439>I think the issue here is your impatience with the real-life time things take instead of the story's pacing itself, but you gotta keep in mind than an update a day or so is pretty decent by /qst/'s standards.Yeah, you are right, sorry if i came out as an asshole for it.
>>5118193>Keep a slow pace, try to focus on control over the new form over anything else.
Roll me 1d100Best of 4DC 45Crit 100
Rolled 25 (1d100)>>5118519>spoilerfascinating
Rolled 72 (1d100)>>5118519Interesting
Rolled 23 (1d100)>>5118519
>>5118540>>5118543>Trying to delete a critfailFOR SHAME
>>5118544Dammit, I've been found out! Forgive my sins master Wukong. But seriously, my apologies. I really shouldn't have done that
>>5118549Unless the situation makes sense or nobody rolls a pass, critfails don't even overwrite.
>>5118550I know, crit fails just make cringe in internal pain regardless. Still, it's not good to act on it even if nothing comes of it.
>>5118549this proves you are a lesser anon, but thou has asked forgiveness so you have a chance for redemption.Next time you roll, you must roll a nat 100 or perish
Rolled 59 (1d100)>>5118549Also forgot to roll
>>5118565Btw, i am retarded but i wanted to link my roll to this post>>5118519but i hope you dont mind my mistake wukong
"Alright, Lucca, give me the directions to the Sun Shrine, I'm gonna take things a little slowly, so you can keep up." You also wanted to use this as an opportunity to attempt to gain greater control over the power of the Super Saiyan, you didn't yet know whether the form would expire quicker from being used in restraint or if the rapid use of its power would cause a failure instead. You didn't want to take any risks, choosing instead to restrain your full power. You used the same logic behind the difference between sprinting and walking. While sprinting would get you where you wanted to go faster, walking would use far less energy, even taking into account the greater distance that you would need to travel. Hopefully, the same sort of logic applied here, otherwise you were going to have a very bad time indeed.Lucca pressed a few buttons on the side of her custom-made scouter, before she looked around for a moment and pointed in a direction. "That way! It's quite a distance away though, so don't be afraid to take breaks if you need to!" The girl advised you that you didn't actually have to make the trip all at once, clearly, she must think that lifting the Omen was far more difficult for you to accomplish than it actually was. Honestly, even as an Oozaru, you'd probably be able to lift the Omen... the golden power of the Super Saiyan was really just overkill... though it was overkill that made your life that much easier... and it also allowed you to experiment with the form a little more than just using it in combat would."Alright then Lucca, try to keep up." You smiled at the girl as you started to gather a little bit of power in order to move quickly."Ha, don't be ridiculous, you might be strong, but-" You took off, moving the ship at a fairly quick pace for Lucca, even if it was agonizingly slow for you. "Wait up! Wait up!" Lucca was in a fluster as she struggled to fly alongside you, even though you were carrying the entire Black Omen above your head. "Ok, Ok, sorry for underestimating you and... this form this uh..." Lucca was obviously fishing for information about the Super Saiyan state."Super Saiyan." You spoke the name of the form once again, and Lucca adjusted her glasses."Right, I'll make a note to remember that... is that the scientific name or...?" Scientific name...? As far as you were aware, such things didn't exist... at least not in Saiyan society. The Tuffles may have had something like that, but you weren't exactly an expert on Tuffle Sciences, and it wasn't likely that they'd have a scientific name for something everyone thought was a myth anyway."It's a legend that's been passed down by the Saiyan people for thousands of years, Lucca." You informed the girl. "It's not something that I think can qualify as scientific... at all." Honestly, if Lucca could come up with some sort of scientific explanation for why the Super Saiyan transformation exists, you'd be stunned.
"Nonsense! It's all just... cells and genetics mixing..." The girl seemed to be trying to convince herself. "It's not like with the magic stuff... this is something that I can understand, but... it must be... some vestigial reaction to something... perhaps a natural reaction to predators? But what could be a predator to such a naturally powerful race...?" She stopped just short of poking and prodding at you, and you were honestly starting to get annoyed at what she was doing now."Lucca... please stop examining me and the form my people spoke of in myths like I'm some sort of captive animal. I don't enjoy it." You gave her a warning to stop being accidentally irritating, one that was compounded in seriousness by the fact that you were carrying the size equivalent of a vast metal mountain range above your head with only one hand."Oh... sorry, sorry. I'm just wondering whether it would be possible to understand just what... allows you to undergo this transformation, what secrets lies hidden within your genetic code... after all, if I found out that, I might be able to replicate some sort of serum that allows anybody to access the power! Or... well, that's the dream, at least. It's probably impossible, considering how incompatible the DNA of an alien must be to a human." Lucca shook her head, shooting down her own hypothesis without even giving it that much thought. "Ah well, as nice as it is to think that humanity might one day be able to replicate the power you now have, it's probably for the best that they don't." Lucca shrugged, shaking her head. "Too much power in the hands of too many people... it could only lead to disaster, I'm certain of that much." A fair assessment, you imagined how terrible a clash between two Super Saiyans who had no care for the world around them could become. The world would certainly be obliterated in their clashes. "If I had to guess though... it was likely some form of genetic mutation that occurred long long ago as a dominant trait that eventually carried on through every single Saiyan." So... that was her theory, was it? A genetic mutation had caused the first Super Saiyan? But... that didn't explain the legend of the Super Saiyan God and the Evil Saiyans, and you highly doubted that divine power could simply be some sort of genetic mutation."Don't worry about it, just try not to distract me while I'm doing this, alright? Super Saiyan or not, I'm quite busy making sure that this ship gets where it's meant to be going." You gave Lucca a reminder of what she's supposed to be doing, and raised a hand to her scouter in order to gauge the current distance you had flown.
"Oh! Right, sorry... we're about... huh, halfway there already? Guess we really have been traveling quickly." Of course, you had flown almost a quarter of the way across the planet in a few minutes with a ginormous spaceship weighing you down... while taking in slowly. If you were to truly go as quickly as you were able to, you'd have taken seconds to reach the other side of the planet... and if you weren't weighed down by the ship, it wouldn't have even taken a single second... though at such speeds, you might just end up running into something. Of course, practically anything you ran or flew into would be destroyed without a trace at such speeds. "Anyway... the biology of the Saiyan race... I hope you don't mind me saying that I find it fascinating... perhaps even more so than I found Lavos fascinating!" You didn't enjoy how Lucca kept thinking of you as some sort of scientific curiosity... but in truth, it wasn't you she was treating in such a manner, but the transformation of the Super Saiyan. It was only natural for a girl like her to be drawn to such a transformation, though you didn't think it was possible at all that a non-Saiyan could access the power of a Super Saiyan through some sort of serum, it was an interesting thought. What exactly was it that allowed for a Saiyan to transform? There was certainly Tuffle research done on this back in the day, looking into the Oozaru form, but any progress that they made would've been wiped from existence thanks to Freeza."Halfway there already?" You smirked, you were glad that you ended up taking things slowly, even if slowly was still immensely quickly. If you'd gone any faster than this, the people inside the Omen might start to experience the effects of the ship traveling so quickly... which wouldn't be great. The discussion about the origin of the form with Lucca aside, the power of the form... it really was incredible. Going from what you've felt of the form, it increased you strength by around 50 times, but what's more, it seemed to somehow be able to fluctuate even higher than that... though the fluctuations weren't exactly common... deciding that it might be a good idea to let the science loving girl ask her questions after all, you turned back to her. "If you have any more questions, Lucca... now would probably be the time to ask them." "Right... uh... how exactly do you transform, anyway?" Lucca's question on the surface seemed meaningless, but you had no doubt that she was trying to discern something else from what she was asking. You didn't quite know what she might be trying to figure out from finding out how Super Saiyans transform... but to you, the situation was honestly quite mundane after the first transformation.
"For me right now, I simply need to recall a memory that creates a strong emotion within me..." Namely, right now, you used the emotion of finding out what had truly happened to your planet in order to access the form. A brief flash of remembrance was all that you needed to access the form now."Interesting, an emotion based physiological transformation...?" Lucca uttered under her breath. "So... is it just your Ki power level that is increased by the transformation, or...?" She was clearly trying to find out as much as she could about the legendary form you had achieved, and you actually started worrying about what she might be intending to put this information into work for. There was no reason for you to lie to her though."As far as I can tell, my strength, my speed and my ability to manipulate Ki have all been increased by the same factor." Lucca seemed fascinated by your explanation. "That enhanced power disappears the moment I deactivate the form." As do the increased emotions, but... they were honestly easy to control compared to the strange feeling you felt when you were wreathed in that silver power.Lucca nodded. "I uh... well, any more questions I have would require me to be at my workshop to take samples and... well, all sorts of stuff." The girl obviously hadn't given up on the idea of uncovering the secret behind the Super Saiyan... what if she was right though? What if it was possible to create a serum that could enhance the power of anybody who took it by the same amount as your transformation did? It was honestly a terrifying thought. "And... well, we're actually here." Lucca pointed at the rapidly approaching island, and you accelerated slightly, soon reaching the island and placing the ship down on the ground. With that monumental weight off your shoulders, you stretched your arms a little, making sure that you hadn't pulled any muscles or anything by messing with the Black Omen as you had. Thankfully, you seemed to be perfectly fine. "Well... that was... fun." "Yeah... fun." Lucca was taking quick labored breaths as she stood next to you. Looks like the speed of the flight was actually catching up to her now, it was really far too fast for a relative beginner like her to have attempted to go. "But... can't spend the whole day having fun... we don't have long before the Time Gates as they exist are closed... and if that happens, getting Glenn and Ayla back to their rightful times will be a real pain." She reminded you that you did actually have more to be getting on with than just dealing with the Black Omen. "But... well, first, I'd like to ask you if you can come to my lab so I can get a few uh... samples of your DNA to analyze." Lucca obviously really wanted you to say yes here.>>What will Rettace say?>"Yeah, sure, why not?">"I'd rather not, Lucca.">"Absolutely not, no.">Other(Write-in)
>>5119537>Yeah sure.Take my DNA science girl!
>>5119537>"Absolutely not, no."No way
>>5119604But think of the Super Serum!
>>5119614No. Winners don't use drugs.