The year is 2021, and Civil War rages across America. Across major cities, communists rise under the banner of the Proletariat Revolution. In the Northwest, a fascist warlord state has emerged to provide order and security. The East Coast is consumed by fighting between US military remnants, local warlords, and U.N. Peacekeepers. Texas is once again its own republic, and the West Coast has turned into a Chinese puppet managed by mega-corporations. The world's going up in flames, and nobody knows what tomorrow will bring...You are the Messenger (former name: Walter White) and you lead the Sun Belt Crusaders. Your group is best described as a radical Catholic cult claiming the papal throne backed by meth, violence, and cunning. Having fled your native Southern California, you have established a presence in Arizona, just southwest of Phoenix, in the village of Mobile.Your has had some success settling down. Diplomatically, you've secured a patron in the nearby town of Maricopa, which provides significant material support in exchange for your services. Slowly, you are also gaining clout with its populace. Your faction also enjoys a close relation to Maricopa's autonomous Reservation after helping a local figure execute a coup and establish a new government. Militarily, your faction has won a number of small skirmishes and has taken over (at Maricopa's behest) a mountain base previously used for raids.The Crusaders are presently in a relatively calm period. The prison warden turned raider warlord who seized significant stores of wealth, once-freed slaves, and a gigantic amount of meth from your faction is currently busy elsewhere. The arrival of Phoenix's revolutionary army to Maricopa has been delayed, allowing you to help with internal matters there and grow your influence. Your crusaders, growing restless, enthusiastically take up mercenary work in Phoenix with a colorful crew of firearm enthusiasts. What kind of storm, if any, this calm precedes remains to be seen.Beyond your small territory of Arizona lie the many dangers of the Badlands. These range from yet other convicts turned raiders, cartel elements, hostile government actors (perhaps even in your own faction), and a myriad other groups you're slowly discovering. Looming over everything is the major urban center of Phoenix, which is consumed with a massive war raging between a revolutionary faction called the Phoenix Occupied Zone and a loose coalition opposing it. If either faction takes control of the city, it will become the regional hegemon and likely take over the Badlands. And, finally, an outside faction such as Chinese-controlled California could start making moves in the area at any time.Your short-term goal is to continue surviving and expanding. Your longer term goal is to somehow secure Phoenix and the Badlands. Your ultimate goal is to bring the Glory of Christ to the entire country, no matter the cost in blood, meth, or tears...
>>4992443Past Threads: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=sun+belt+crusadersStarter guide/refresher qm made: justpaste dot it/sbc-refresher
>>4992447Thank you for posting the OP. For anyone confused, I am the actual guy running the quest. I can't post my own ops for incomprehensible reasons.Anyway, onto the actual quest!>Current POV: Cardinal Yuri>...>Current Location: Goodyear Arizona - Mercenary Bar>...>Current Mission: The Peoria Raid Side-Op [Stage 1 - The Approach]The mercenary leader chugs the remaining beer, nearly the whole bottle, before slamming the empty glass on the table. "No time to fuck around!" he says as he leaves. You follow him out as various patrons, most of whom are also sporting their faction's signature aloha shirt and short-shorts combo, shout variations of "let's fucking go!" This is definitely shaping up to be one of the stranger you have seen in America, even with the Lubyanka assigning you to U.C. Berkeley of all places.Outside you see your crusaders and the nominal leaders of this mission, the 'Boogie Nights Boiz,' casually chatting as they load guns, ammo, and other equipment into pick-up beds. "Man, this is a lot of stuff. You sure we need to bring and wear all black long-sleeves and shit? Even with the sun about to set, it's pretty fucking hot, ain't it?" one of your men calls out."It's orders," one of the 'Boiz' responds. "Besides, just how many - kilos - of 'combat stims' did you guys pack, again?""That's the most important thing! What if we need to bayonet charge?!""Hey, Yuri right?" a man with a sniper rifle asks as he approaches you. You nod in response. "We noticed you guys packed a lot of gas masks. What's the idea here?""You requested we 'mask up' and hide our allegiance. What better than a full face respirators? Besides, the use of gas in combat can be quite effective. We have experience with this. Is it a problem, comrade?""Not at all! Just make you spare us a few pairs, since I'll need to have one of our guys on the front to pick out some specific stuff. Part of the job, though we'll be mostly staying back and doing the long range support thing. It's what we do.""As I expect, from your weapon." You give his sniper another look to confirm what you already recognized. "I first thought it was a Dragunov, but it doesn't quite look right. A Type 79?" You weren't trained as a designated marksman, but you know enough to recognize a real Dragunov when you see one.He cocks a grin. "That's right. I'm normally not a big fan of Chinese knock-offs, but it's a pretty good copy. Good range, power, ease of use, and it's semi-auto. This one's part of the last batch, the ones they chambered in .308. You born in Soviet Russia?""Oh no, of course not," you lie. "I was born to a family that fled during the Revolution. But I feel a strong connection to the land by my blood. I pride myself on knowing all about it and I feel I have such a connection to the Motherland you could not tell the difference.""Well, at least you're on our side and not one of the communists..."[1/4]
>>4993263[2/4]Your group soon heads west along the I-10. You are told that normally the fastest way would involve going east, but it would involve going into heavily contested territory. Your group of trucks merges onto Route 303 and continues from there. The area around the interchange is dominated by a large prison complex, one of Arizona's many. Continuing north the relatively small convoy passes through the large swaths of farmland surrounding an Airforce base that was, perhaps wisely, stripped of its military equipment before the Civil War began in earnest. After a good distance, the group turns eastwards and drives through vast swathes of suburban tracts."You know," the Boiz member in truck with you says unprompted. "If we took a wrong turn at the 60, we'd have reached the forward area the POZ managed to take. There's a lot of fighting in that area, the POZ got guys dug in around there a good distance out from the Agua Fria crossing." You believe that might be the area that 'Cardinal Musella' had his previous adventure with this faction, but you can't be certain. You choose not to press the subject of your enemy's successes.Along the way you have been stopped a number of times. There are checkpoints everywhere in PCR territory for obvious reasons. The convoy stops for what you are told is the last time until the return trip. The specific location of this one is at a post office in a small cluster of strip malls. The mercenary in your vehicle leaves and comes back a short time later."Is everything going as planned?" you ask him."Sure, it's fine." You notice subtle changes in how he spoke. You sense he is holding something back.>Special Dialogue from trait [Soviet Psychological Training]"If something is wrong, then let me speak to them myself," you say unbuckling your seat belt. You don't actually have any intention of leaving, but you know this is a way to make the person in front of you more likely to act or speak without thinking."No, no, stay," he says gesturing for you to stay seated. "Look, I may have stretched the truth slightly, telling him we were called to do a defensive op, and we might have to stretch the truth again on our way back, but it's normal for this line of work. Anyway, we're almost there."The implication here is that the PCR, or at least the PCR stationed here specifically, may not approve of this. This could be referring to the loose affiliation the Boogie Nights Boiz have with the overall coalition, the job coming from a non-affiliated faction, or just the proverbial left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing...
>>4993265[3/4]The group continues on and crosses the New River arroyo, which happens to be practically flat here. The area opens up to a vast array of parking lots circumscribed around a giant mall complex. There, you see a mix of armed persons with a variety of uniforms you can't make out at a distance, some in vehicles and others doing miscellaneous activities on foot. There is also a large amount of temporary housing and civilians all about. It doesn't take a mastermind to figure out these are most likely refugees displaced from the War.The small convoy splits up, with the Crusader forces (and the Boiz attached to it) continuing west and most of the Boiz going south. You pass by the sports complex where there is a stadium with other sports fields and businesses placed nearby. The situation here is much the same as the area around the mall complex. The group stops a short drive away from the canal entrance and quickly changes into this mission's 'battle dress' at the far end of the complex. Beyond this you surmise is a sort of a 'no man's land,' even if the POZ presence in the area would be relatively light. As the group finishes changing into the nondescript outer garbs reminiscent of what the radical faction of the left wears (even if the heavy armor underneath gives it away on closer inspection) the sun is slowly descending into the western horizon behind your back. The area is bathed in an oppressive, golden light sure to be a nightmare to anyone trying to fend off attackers from its direction, such as yourself. The stage is set...
>>4993267[4/4]"Alright," the mercenary attached to your group besides you says rubbing his hands for effect. "I got confirmation my guys are stationed where they got to be and ready to snipe down the first line of defenders at the overpass a little less than a mile out. Recommended course of action is for you guys to drive down the canal now and us Boiz will snipe them down while you're on the way once they expose themselves a little more. They'll follow after while you clear up any obstructions real quick. Focus on speed and surprise, you know?""Wouldn't it be safer to just have your guys just snipe them down. I saw some pretty big rifles, should be able to get them behind cover, even," one of your Crusaders chimes in."Arguably it's safer to rush down their defenses as fast as possible. It's ultimately up to you," he says pointing at you with his thumb.What course of action do you take?>Rush down the initial defenses through the canal and have the support shoot after getting their attention [Speed Focus] [Recommended Action]>Wait for the support to pick off defenders before you go down the canal [Safety Focus]>[Write-In] some other, totally different, course of action [Boiz may veto suggestions]The above choice is mostly to determine what kind of priority you guys have. The mission is sort of linear, in that it mostly takes place along the 'line' of the canal, so I understand it might feel like you guys don't get the kind of crazy choices I often put in prompts. You can vote in specifics the usual way by typing them up after a selection. For example, you could pick one choice and underneath write "take meth and drive closer to hit them with the bayonet" or "shoot smoke grenades at the defenders" or whatever is plausible. Just try to use common sense and you should be fine, assuming the dice don't screw you guys over...Speaking of dice:>Roll 2d20>Roll 1d100Pls don't roll a 1 like last time. Or do! It might be funny.
Rolled 6 (1d20)>>4993269>>Rush down the initial defenses through the canal and have the support shoot after getting their attention [Speed Focus] [Recommended Action]Deus Vult!
Rolled 41 (1d100)>>4993269>Rush down the initial defenses through the canal and have the support shoot after getting their attention [Speed Focus] [Recommended Action]The faster we can get on their position, the faster we can overrun them and secure the compound. I hope the Boiz are bringing their A-game here.
Rolled 18 (1d20)>Rush down the initial defenses through the canal and have the support shoot after getting their attention [Speed Focus] [Recommended Action]lets fucking goooo
Rolled 6 (1d100)>>4993269>Rush down the initial defenses through the canal and have the support shoot after getting their attention [Speed Focus] [Recommended Action]I say we save our gas for the initial breach/charge of the supply warehouse and to cover our escape.
Rolled 19, 14 = 33 (2d20)>>4993269>Wait for the support to pick off defenders before you go down the canal [Safety Focus]
>>4993555>>4993887>>4993917>>4993998OPTION SELECTED:>Rush down the initial defenses through the canal and have the support shoot after getting their attention [Speed Focus] [Recommended Action]"Continue as planned," you order.The truck engines rev into life as you give the command to engage. The curvature of the canal means your forces cannot see the enemy positions (unlike the support in their elevated positions further up) but you can still feel the bloodlust in the air. The Messenger promised an opportunity to crusade, and this counts as a promise fulfilled. As can be expected, morale is high and they are willing to die for the Crusade with full confidence that nothing will go wrong. In this kind of infiltration, a concentrated attack on an enemy's weak point, hesitation cannot be tolerated.Given their enthusiasm, you choose to let them head the assault. You believe you lead best from the back, surrounded by your loyal followers. Some may grumble about your style, but it really is the best way to do it.>+6 Morale/Miscellaneous Bonus (mitigated by aforementioned modifiers)Dust and dirt fill the air of the canal as the trucks accelerate to high speeds in the rush to the first defenses. The path on the right-hand side of the canal (oriented towards the water flow) is wide and easily accommodates a good few vehicles moving in parallel and has a long enough straight-away to pick up significant speed. The bend is fairly wide and since the group is staying on the northern side the only thing close to an obstacle is a small dip to allow for surface runoff barely even worth mentioning. Simply put, this early stretch of the mission has ideal terrain being simultaneously favorable to movement and disfavorable to any defenders stationed under the overpass beyond the bend.>+5 for ideal terrain"Alright, get ready, here we go," the mercenary beside you radios to the rear support. You are somewhat pushed into your seat as the truck turns. The units in front of you begin to fire. Your faction does not have much in the way of automatic small arms, but high capacity magazines and basic weapons modifications can make for a 'good-enough' substitute. Between the noise of several V8 engines and the flurry of small arms fire, you can't really hear else. With the movement, dust, and general chaos you can't really see anything, either. Even the sun's glare from the rear-view mirror is unpleasant, although you can only imagine how bad it must be for the enemy, being caught off guard. You don't have much control over the situation beyond your initial order, so all that's left is to hope all goes well...[1/3]
>>4996045[2/3]>Complication Roll Result:>41 - Middling roll... no complication>+3 for surprise and general enemy unpreparedness>+2 for adequate supportFinal Result:>18 + 16 = 34>Ideal VictoryAnd indeed it does go well. The convoy moves at lightning speed and closes the distance rapidly. You have little time to process what exactly is going on, but you feel like you hardly hear any shots being fired from the direction of the defenses. It might just be your position further back in the chaos, but there's really not much of a defense. Getting closer, you can see what are obviously quickly erected defenses under the overpass made of wood and corrugated metal that could have been bought cheaply at any hardware store. One of the defenders takes his position on the barricade and fires wildly but seems to hit nothing. You believe you see a defender pausing and taking aim before her head erupts into a scarlet mist, likely from a high powered round fired from afar. The fighting is brief and one sided, as you hoped it would be."Affirmative, get your asses over here," you hear in response to some radio message you didn't hear."You thought there would be more defenders," you tell him."Yes, actually." He quickly gets out of the vehicle and stands on the truck step in time to see someone, almost certainly one of your crusaders, hop over the barricade. You hear gunshots, ones slightly muted by a suppressor, and a 'thumbs-up' pokes out from the top. It looks like the enemy has been neutralized, be they dead, fleeing, or otherwise.>Area cleared with minimum time loss and no casualtiesImmediately the Crusaders drive over to the barricades and attach parts of the defenses to hitches. The large trucks easily pull apart the barriers enough to open them up. With a little bit of clean-up work, there will be enough room to comfortably fit a single vehicle through it. For your purposes, this is enough.You are not in the best of shape, so you leave the physical work to your underlings and continue the conversation."How long until your men arrive?""We were expecting a real fight, not this shit. They're close, but they have to loop around a bit to get to the right side of the canal. Not sure if we said this, but we can't do anything south of the canal, or on the left hand side of it," he says. You don't actually recall this condition. "I mean, we don't have any need to since the target is on the right side of it and you can only swap sides in specific places, like around the sports complex we came from."During the conversation you see your crusaders moving the rubble and debris out of the way fairly quickly. When not on missions of some sort, the Crusaders are generally doing construction of some kind. Building a settlement using what are often makeshift tools is great preparation for exactly this kind of activity, and they get through the work at a rapid pace...
>>4996047[3/3]"You wish for us to wait for your faction?""I mean, sure. Although if you really feel cocky we could always press on without them and do some scouting. Hell, you could even try to overrun whatever defenses they got at Thunderbird Park yourselves. If it's the same sort of shit as here then it's pretty good odds?""Thunderbird Park?" you ask with emphasis on the last word. "We are going through a canal, aren't we?""I don't know what to tell you, the city decided to put a park on the side of a canal, go figure. We obviously couldn't do a thorough scouting out of the place, but I'm pretty sure the park's still standing there.""Your recommendation?""My guys wouldn't complain about getting a good look at the area, seeing if the defenses are like this or if there's a good scouting place or if it's a hardened target sort of thing. And we sure as hell wouldn't complain if you guys just drove in like madmen and overcame them again, but only if it goes well again. I wouldn't blame you guys for just sitting back and waiting. In the end, it's your call."You see the crusaders (or medics, you can't really tell) finish clearing up the lane enough to use. You must choose how to approach the second stage of this area.>Rush full steam ahead, again. Make the most of the ability to strike first and strike hard [Speed Focus]>Slowly move up, sending individuals to check past corners and for enemy situation [Recommended Action??]>Wait around until the other force is reasonably caught up to yours [Safety Focus]>[Write-In] some other, totally different, course of action [Boiz may veto suggestions]And:>Roll 2d20>Roll 1d100As I said, just don't roll a 1! For [Stage 1] at least. I can't promise it'll get easier, especially if you guys start taking casualties or do something very dumb. What's the old saying, something like "success begets success, failure begets failure," or whatever...
Rolled 6, 6 = 12 (2d20)>>4996048>>Slowly move up, sending individuals to check past corners and for enemy situation [Recommended Action??]Better to make sure we eliminate all encountered enemies to maintain stealth.If we start running into alerted enemies, then we start pushing the pedal to the metal.
Rolled 9 (1d20)>>4996048>Slowly move up, sending individuals to check past corners and for enemy situation [Recommended Action??]I'm sort of stuck between making full use of Strike First, Strike Hard, and just following the recommended course of action, so I'll just default to the recommended action until the situation changes.
>>4996059I thought we were just rolling 1d20 each? Now I'm wondering if I should roll that 1d100 (I won't, just to give the other anons a chance to share, but what the hell man?).
Rolled 29 (1d100)>>4996066Idk, it says 2d20, when you type that in the box you get two rolls. If he wanted 2 seperate rolls of 2d20, QM should ask, 2 rolls of 2d20 or something.I assume more people can roll to get bo3?
>>4996068The QM doesn't use the Bo3 system, its first come first serve, and I'd prefer if one anon didn't hog all the rolls and let the other anons contribute. Btw, you probably fucked us in this operation.If the QM decides to take all your rolls (and I'm pretty sure he will), I'm not going to be a happy camper with ya anon, just going to give it to ya straight.
To clarify things, it doesn't matter who does the rolls in what order since we can assume they're totally random, independent events so it's statistically the same. I've sometimes written things like "2d20" or "two d20's" or variations of that, but it's all the same. If one person wants to just immediately roll all of the dice, then I can't really stop that. I can, though, see how people would get miffed at not being able to meaningfully roll. As a player, I think rolling is fun and I like doing it. It also makes you feel like you're participating more, even if it's something that could be handled completely 'behind the curtain,' as is already done with some things (as I'm sure people have noticed.)>>4993998>save our gasI meant to comment on this earlier, but forgot. Gas, as in petrol, is a non factor here. The thing with cities is that they're dense and a short amount of distance 'goes a long way.' Assuming a full tank (pretty basic preparation, why not), even if you guys got 1.0 miles per gallon (over an order of magnitude diminished), there'd still be gas left in the tank by the end by my estimations (well, unless you guys decide to do something crazy like try to leave the city and take a Vegas road-trip.) That's not to say that there isn't stuff going on in that distance, but just that a small distance goes a long way in cities. Fun fact regarding urban density: you could fit the entirety of Manhattan, New York in the space between Maricopa and Mobile. I guess you could use it as a unit of measure. It wouldn't be my favorite way to use the phrase "a Manhattan" but it'd work...
>>4996081Kay, I won't roll for the rest of the thread.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGx6K90TmCI
>>4996048>>Slowly move up, sending individuals to check past corners and for enemy situation [Recommended Action??]
>>4996116No worries friendo. Personally, depending on the tempo of the quest i tend to wait an hour or two before i make an additional roll.
>>4996048>Slowly move up, sending individuals to check past corners and for enemy situation [Recommended Action??]Moving forward but at a pace that won't put us too far away ahead of the Boiz is a good plan. That 29 probably means complications of some kind, but at least it's not a Tank this time.
>>4996116I didn't say that, just share the rolls next time. Even if it's statistically the same, I had one time where a QM took a lower number because the anon already rolled before. It's not just about sharing in the fun, but the responsibility of those rolls as well, as autistic as it may seem.
>>4996979I know it doesn't make rational sense, it's just ever since the previous faction wipe I've been quite antsy about silly shit like that. Can you care to humor me, if only during these combat rolls? We've risked a significant portion of our Crusader military force on this mission, and if this goes full tits up we're going to be militarily crippled in the short term, and with the Warden to the west and the POZ coming Maricopa, that scares me quite a bit, and that isn't considering the unknown factions just waiting to come out of the woodwork at an unlucky roll.
>>4997020Dude, I already said okay.
>>4996059>>4996061>>4996068>>4996299>>4996385 (this time)[Stage 2 ~ Thunderbird]OPTION SELECTED:>Slowly move up, sending individuals to check past corners and for enemy situation [Recommended Action??]You settle on what your de facto advisor tacitly recommended. With the advantage of being 'ahead of schedule' you see no reason not to press your advantage. You do, however, know better than to blindly rush in. You are officially in POZ territory.As your group readies itself to continue up the canal you hear a burst of gunfire.>Complication Roll Result:>29 - Mildly Negative Roll... [Runaways]"Shit, shit! She's getting away!" one of your men calls out before running up the canal slope to a tree along a dirt path. A few others follow him, rifles in hand. You watch from a distance. A small group of previously unnoticed defenders seem to be retreating up the sides and harrying your men along on way.The crusaders further away from the fighting take positions behind the trucks and contribute supporting fire. You see the POZ forces, who are few in number, doing their best to utilize basic squad tactics like covering for another member falling back. Your men do their best to put down the runaways, but they had a significant head start. The few who moved up to the trail do their best to lay down accurate fire. One of them lays down aimed fire from behind a bush and puts one of them down. Blood trickles down the slope just long enough to be visible before being absorbed into the dry Phoenix soil.The other POZ members manage to get to the top of the slope and head off towards the residential streets, away from view."C'mon let's chase them down," one of the guys up front shouts with his hand conspicuously close to his bayonet holster."Chase 'em where, into a fuckin' grave?!" the Boiz member responds. "The more time we waste the harder it'll get, boss-man already said we're heading out!"The skirmish, while resulting in a kill, ultimately just wastes time. The defenders further down the canal will have just that extra time to be alerted to your danger and even 'dig-in.'>Small time loss>Enemy alert increasedWith the brief interruption aside, the group continues down the canal as planned. This section has more bends and turns that block off vision and there's less information on any defenders here. There are two logical spaces for defenses, both under overpasses. With this, you send a group just ahead of the main force and move up slower.The area behind the first bend has little in the way of strategic value from what you are told, and which fits based on a map of the region. Unless they decided to randomly turn one of the suburban homes awkwardly overlooking the canal into a fortress, there would be no area of value to fortify. The truck at the front drives slowly into the area and gives the 'all-clear' soon after. The second one is much the same and events unfold identically. The third is different...[1/???]
>>4998639[2/???]The third bend is where the actual 'Thunderbird Park' area starts. This initial part is more so a section of somewhat grassy land with a few trees than a real park, but it forms an open area where defenders could get clear shots under the shade (and defensive position) of a highway overpass. Taking care, this forward scouts park near a patch of trees (engine still running) and send out one of their number on foot."I'm seeing they have a barricade set-up, like the last time. Yeah, definitely seeing more guys here," he says over radio. "Wait, what is - lemme up the magnification on these - there we go. Yeah, more guys here, but not by much. I think if the Boiz take up positions here they can get some good shots, like if you ever played that one -" He abruptly stops. "Uh, I'm seeing one of these guys talking on a radio and, shit, shit!" You hear a series of gunshots from the radio before he continues. "Shit, they're on to - FUCK!"The last thing you hear is what sounds like the radio tumbling around on the grass. Before you have a chance to issue orders or take action, the forward unit's vehicle begins to move forward. The other Crusader forces immediately surge forwards to support what has spontaneously developed into a charge.This is not the ideal way for a skirmish to develop, but it's what you have to deal with.>Combat Initiated:>Selected Tactic: ???Without you even being able to issue orders, the various 'squads' in their trucks take the initiative. The Crusaders have fought a number of battles or skirmishes via vehicles as 'mechanized' forces. They're growing quite adept at this mobile form of combat, which since the establishment of the Mobile Training Fields they've been training for. It's in many ways similar to the training with the minor exception that the targets are actually shooting back. Given the crusaders' collective bloodlust, this is not as much of an issue as it otherwise might be.>+3 for training and veterancyEven with the aptitude for combat, the way this combat developed has been chaotic and disorderly. You had essentially no involvement in its opening and once the first truck surged forwards you knew that trying to reel them back would not be an option. This mission is highly dependent on speed and momentum, which you can't afford to lose. The defenders, for their part, seemed to have figured out your presence. Whether or not this was due to the escaped defenders from the previous area or some other circumstance matters little, as their defense is not the haphazard, scattered affair of last time. This would be something of a real fight...
>>4998641[3/???]>-5 for disorganized opening shitshow>-2 for organized defenseThe mounted crusaders charge across the battlefield, their tires creating a visible path through the grasses. Unlike last time, where the focus was on shock and closing distance, this encounter is something approaching a proper firefight, as the Crusaders move in zig-zag patterns up the grassy area. Despite their vehicles' large profiles, the erratic movement makes actually hitting them difficult. The defenders, meanwhile, are fixed in relatively static positions. The oppressive desert sun is also directly facing the defenders, which further damages their marksmanship. It's not quite as ideal terrain as the previous stage of the attack, but it's nonetheless a major advantage.>+4 for ideal terrainOn the part of the defenders there's a noticeable lack of powerful weaponry, such as the machine-guns Mobile has mounted on its defenses. You have a feeling that if these POZ members had actual heavy weaponry such as high caliber machine-guns this would be a significantly more difficult encounter. If they did have such weapons here at some point they were certainly relocated elsewhere. As it stands, they only have small-arms that most American civilians would carry, which actually means they're noticeably out-gunned this encounter. In this open area and at these long ranges, the large caliber .308 rifles the Crusaders prefer perform quite well, having naturally greater range and penetration. While a standard rifle could fatally wound a crusader through his armor, doing so at a range of hundreds of yards and potentially going through a (thin) layer or two of metal on a truck makes it less likely. You're sure there's yet more going on here, but given the reality that you're being jerked around in a truck as bullets whiz every which way, you will have to wait to consider them.>+3 for better equipmentThe battle continues as the Crusaders settle on a rhythm of quickly moving forward, unleashing as much lead as possible, and then falling back while another one group of mounted infantry continues in kind. It's strangely reminiscent of the caracole formations cavalry of old (as you learned from your military education) would use, at least in its cycling of units forwards and around back, except here it's an emergent phenomenon of the chaos as opposed to a necessity borne of the reality of early gunpowder. And like many good generals, you choose to remain in the safety of the back and take a light handed approach to leadership. Some may call such a leadership style cowardly, but cowardice is not a term that fits the Crusaders at all, even if some among your number believe another commander would be better suited to this...
>>4998643[4/???]>+3 morale bonus (mitigated)The battle continues on for what feels like a long time. The POZ defenders adapt and find that if they stay behind cover they can force the Crusaders forwards enough to get them in a more favorable range. The alternative would be a sort of stalemate, which obviously benefits the defenders. The skirmish drags on, your side takes casualties, although how bad they are, with regards to both number and severity, you can't tell.Almost out of nowhere, a wooden section of the barricade disintegrates and is replaced by a burst of red.>+2 for Boiz support"What the hell's going on here?" you hear from the radio. The Boiz have not only caught up, but they have set up positions for themselves during the fighting, something that would normally take too much time for comfort. A few more high powered shots cut through some of the defenders, who at some point decide to cut their losses and fall back. Given the distance from the barricade, it's almost impossible to stop them, but with the defenders now either dead or gone, Thunderbird Park is now clear.Final Result: >6 + 8 = 14>Success...
>>4998644[5/5]>Stage 2: ClearedOf course, clear doesn't mean free. As everyone regroups to open a path through the defenses and take stock of things, you see the medic 'section,' or half of a platoon, brought along is already administering aid to the wounded. Due to factors such as the crusaders' heavy armor and ranges involved, nobody has died or been found to be so grievously wounded as to be beyond treatment. "Cardinal Yuri!" one of the medics says as he briefly salutes you. He's tending to the shot arm of one of your crusaders (the initial scout, if you're not mistaken.)"Status on the wounded?" you ask."Nobody's dead, although I think we should stop here and make sure everyone's as patched up as we can reasonably get them. I think we had some real close calls. Besides, I think some of us could use a breather after that.""With all due respect," your de facto advisor interjects with, "every minute we're not focused on the mission is another minute they get to prepare, is another minute we get closer to sundown, and is another minute we lose our momentum." He turns to look at you. "I don't think here is the right place to deal with this, especially after this situation knocked us back to 'just on schedule' when we were ahead before. They shouldn't have much defense past this, not for a while at least if we don't give them time.""Maybe we could split up, you know?" the wounded crusader says. "I think those who need some extra time could hang b- AH! Fuck!""Hold still, I'm trying to sanitize the area.""I don't know. It's got its merits, but it's risky. If the forward force gets screwed because we're slightly undermanned, then that'll just make everyone worse off.""As the leader of the Crusaders on this mission," you say, "we will...">"Continue down the canal the second they finish opening up the path to the trucks." [Speed Focus]>"Stay back for a short rest for the sake of the tired and the wounded before we continue." [Safety Focus]>"Let those who need to stay back and link up with us later while we continue forwards." [Greed Focus]>"Do something else, namely..." [Write-In]And, how do I phrase this to minimize issues, well, start with a discrete uniform distribution with m- nah, fuck it the fancy words, I have not sustained a 0.00 BAC this day. I just want two d20 dice rolls and a d100. I really don't care about the details.Also, you can write in minor additions to a vote as usual, although it's usually before a combat. Here, it didn't play much of a role because the way things went the battle just went out of control of leadership due to [redacted] (as sometimes happens, especially with bloodthirsty hothead zealots, a term of art) but for the record the initial plan was to have stage 2 be two parts instead of one large update.
Rolled 4 (1d20)>>4998647>"Continue down the canal the second they finish opening up the path to the trucks." [Speed Focus]The more time we spend this deep in enemy territory is more time for the enemy to realize we're here and cut off our escape route. It's not ideal, but we must keep the momentum up, otherwise we're going to be dead in the water.
Rolled 3 (1d20)>>4998647
>>4998713>>4998723;_;Nothing we can do but take the hits and keepm moving forward.
Rolled 21 (1d100)>>4998647>>"Continue down the canal the second they finish opening up the path to the trucks." [Speed Focus]
Maybe the Bridge is out up ahead?
>>4999314>Crusaders at bridge crossing, 2021 colorizedhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Clz9ykXMkeM
>>4998647>"Continue down the canal the second they finish opening up the path to the trucks." [Speed Focus]>Keep those who are injured at the back of the formation to limit potential damage they takeWe can't afford to stop and treat wounded in the open, for all we know they can be organizing a counter attack at the moment. We have to push on and secure the objective before we can properly treat the wounded.Also holy fuck you people suck at rolling.
>>4999515+1 on>Keep those who are injured at the back of the formation to limit potential damage they takeIt’s a smart idea.And yea, this isn’t a good turn. I’m hoping RNGesus cuts us some slack next turn, God willing.
>>4998713>>4998723>>4998949>>4999515>>4999531OPTION SELECTED:>"Continue down the canal the second they finish opening up the path to the trucks." [Speed Focus]"The more we delay the more time they have to prepare," you say. "They may already be preparing a counter-attack of some kind, for all we know. The stronger our attack, the safer we will be.""I don't know about the 'counter-attack' part, but I agree.""Deus Vult!" the wounded crusader shouts, thumping his 'good' arm into his chest for emphasis. Sometimes you're glad that this faction's fighters are primarily religious zealots.[Stage 3 ~ Double Crossing]The trucks again make short work of the defenses and soon the convoy can move forwards again. It's clear these defenses weren't intended to stop any kind of real advance, which makes sense given that the canal is generally a bad vector for substantive offensives. Anyone staying in the area for too long (i.e. holding onto territory) could easily be cut off and slaughtered. Taking this to heart, the forces on this mission launch ahead.On the other side of the barricade lie sports fields, football posts, and various areas for recreation. Past Thunderbird Park the canal turns into wild, unkept fields of grass and weeds growing in a gradient out from a small section for drainage running parallel to the elevated canal proper. Without maintenance crews, nature is slowly reclaiming the area, although not enough to make any meaningful difference to any operations.As your group meanders along the canal bends, the path narrows and the wild grasses become sparser until they abruptly stop. The dirt ends and a section of sand and gravel begins. On your left-hand side, opposite of the canal, lies a very narrow path that runs parallel on the same elevation as the surface streets, although it is separated from them from at least here. A short distance past the dirt and gravel the path becomes one of concrete with more exaggerated slopes. There's the remains of what was once chain-link fencing, although it lies in a ruined state, presumably from previous fighting. This area narrows yet further until only a few trucks can practically move side-by-side."With any luck," your advisor starts, "we'll cross the bend and it'll be free and clear to the-""The hell is the smoke?" one of your Crusaders interrupts with. >Complication Roll Result:>21 - Moderately Negative Roll... [Deep Defense]You're pushed back into your seat as the truck comes to a sudden stop as the sounds of gunfire fill the air. The tip of the advance has presumably crossed the bend and is now under enemy fire."Can't catch a fuckin' break!" a crusader sat in the back of the truck you're in says as the combat starts. Whereas the first stage had the advantage of surprise on your side and the second one had parity, this time the enemy is the one that has the advantage of initiative. This time, in fact, nobody really has a good idea of what's going on...[1/???]
>>5001992[2/???]>-4 malus for lack of initiative and bad opening"Hey, move up the left slope so I can get a look!" The truck slowly turns to the left and gains some elevation going up the side of the canal. The terrain here is much worse for combat. While there's some advantage in handling on the smooth concrete as opposed to the dirt, it's more than negated by the narrowness of the area. It's hard for units in the back, such as yourself, to fight effectively. There's still the advantage of the setting sun and the relative openess compared to, say, dense urban development, but this time the advantage is mitigated.>+2 terrain bonus"Free and fuckin' clear," the Boiz member mutters as he heads out of the now slightly elevated truck and tries to get in position to lay down supporting fire. "God damn it, I can't see shit!" The reason why is obvious from here. The defenders have, apparently, made use of firebombs of some kind. The entire area under the overpass, one of the double crossings here, is blocked off by fire. Dark black smoke fills the air and makes any kind of aiming hell. While your partners are all here and ready to support to the best of their ability, the battlefield conditions limit them.>+2 Boiz modifier"C'mon you pussies, what the fuck are you waiting for?! Deus Vult!" a crusader from another truck screams as he hops out of the vehicle and moves forward towards the members closer up. He's one of the few in the back who's not either wounded or part of your personal circle. While most factions would have trouble sustaining an offensive after this much push-back due to an obvious valuing of self-preservation, this faction has no such instinct. Or of it does, it's suppressed by the religious fanaticism. That's not to say they're unthinking automatons, but that the standard deterioration of morale and fighting spirit over the course of fighting is lessened.>+1 for written-in suggestion [specifically keep wounded back]>+2 morale bonus (mitigated)>-1 for existing damage/woundsAs the fighting continues, you get a decent look at the enemies. They are, this time, not actually positioned under the crossing but are attacking from above. The railings along the street (or highway) above grant some benefit to the defenders. The bottom concrete is able to absorb shots from all but the highest caliber weapons (some of which your faction actually has support from) and the fencing acts as a convenient prop for weapons. More relevant, however, is the defenders' lack of proper equipment. The weapons they're using are obviously inferior, with most of them being poor quality rifles, shotguns, or handguns. There's no body armor, of course. This is compared to the well armed and armored Crusaders who are using equipment that would not be out of place for law enforcement's elites (obviously, since that's where they're sourced from...)
>>5001993[3/???]>+5 bonus from equipment superiority>-1 malus from enemy high groundSadly, the equipment does not include multispectral visors straight from science fiction that would negate the effects of the smoke choking up the battlefield. The entire area under the overpass is absolutely filled with the stuff and it's ascending in between view of both factions. Even assuming this would effect both factions equally it would have the effect of causing disorder and general delay. Delay means death, it's the entire reason you decided to forgo giving your men a rest and time to heal. Unfortunately, these opponents of yours seem to have some familiarity in fighting with these tactics. Even if they're random people drafted and given whatever arms were available, which may still be the case, they're not complete pushovers.>-2 malus for chaos and delay tacticsIn short, the situation is not great.Final Result:> 4 + 4 = 8>Salvageable Failure"Shit, shit!" you hear as one of the crusaders blindly fires into the shifting defensive positions. You hear a loud grunt from him followed by a thud, presumably from him falling down onto the concrete. You see on your side multiple crusaders totally pinned down behind makeshift cover as their vehicles become ridden with holes. At some point you hear the distinctive shattering of glass followed by a car horn blaring and not stopping.The enemy seems to take casualties as well, with one of them even falling forward past the railing, somehow, and ending up in the flames below. In general, they are holding up and making advance impossible. While their firebombs don't last forever, they effectively will as long as there are defenders that can keep throwing more. Time is not on your side, as the entire strength of this venture is in speed and doing a decisive breakthrough, one that up to now was effective. The situation is, to use a technical term of art among your faction, 'fucked.'Failure is not an option. You're deep enough in hostile territory to make a protracted engagement instant death. Surrender is also not on the table, as even if your enemies offered it on the brink of a total slaughter, your 'fellow crusaders' may not even accept it. The current position isn't irrecoverable, and you're even likely to take out these defenders due to sheer superiority in materiel and fighting spirit. Even so, a failure to get to the objective in due time will make securing it a suicidal affair...
>>5001994[4/4]As the leader here, it is up to you to decide how to reverse the situation. You have multiple strategies open to you, from the tried and tested faith the Crusaders will win out in conventional combat, as they have before, to more daring alternatives. The most obvious one is to send a single truck of men up to the surface streets through the narrow path from where the concrete began. Another, riskier possibility is to just command everyone to drive through the double crossings. Casualties, likely grievous ones, would be unavoidable with such a choice, due to the reality that at least one truck will be immolated by falling firebombs, the defenders would remain to dig-in for a return trip, and your men would consider you a coward who would suggest fleeing. Still, you are leader here, and it is up to you to decide how to reverse the situation.Orders?>Continue fighting as normal. We don't need fancy tricks, we need only good aim and an unshakeable, indefatigable faith.>Send a unit of infiltrators along the narrow road, lessening the fighting ability on the ground but potentially crushing the enemy with the pincer maneuver>Personally lead an infiltration along the narrow road, lessening the fighting ability on the ground and removing your ability to lead, but hopefully inspiring your troops and removing doubts as to your loyalty>Ride through the flames, accepting the terrible damage, and hope this doesn't prove to be a problem in a return trip. [Speed Focus] [Highly Discouraged]>[Write-In] some other creative strategyI would also like to take this opportunity to remind people that this is for the broad strategy. Specific details like "fire our own tear gas at the defenders above" or "get high on meth and try to bite their faces off" can be freely put in as details to a standard vote and may be included without being voted on by the majority. Oh, and let's not forget about the part where I inevitably feast upon the misery and tears of the players with my specially rigged dice (just a joke, but shit if it hasn't felt like that recently)...>Roll two virtual twenty sided dice>Roll one virtual one hundred sided dieRNGesus bless you and keep you;RNGesus make his face shine upon you, and be merciful to you;RNGesus lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace.
Rolled 13 (1d20)>>5001995>Personally lead an infiltration along the narrow road, lessening the fighting ability on the ground and removing your ability to lead, but hopefully inspiring your troops and removing doubts as to your loyaltyWe'll take our own personal guard with us to flank for the extra leadership bonus. Meanwhile the Boiz and the remaining Crusaders keep laying down the fire on the overpass to surpress enemy movements. No heroics, every faithful that fall here is a failure on our part. Lay down smoke to give cover to those who are too exposed and to aid in recovering the wounded.
Rolled 5 (1d20)>>5001995>>Personally lead an infiltration along the narrow road, lessening the fighting ability on the ground and removing your ability to lead, but hopefully inspiring your troops and removing doubts as to your loyalty
Rolled 15 (1d20)>>5001995>Send a unit of infiltrators along the narrow road, lessening the fighting ability on the ground but potentially crushing the enemy with the pincer maneuverHave the Boogie boys and a pair of crusaders spot for us from another angle to direct our fire to keep the enemy suppressed.
Rolled 35 (1d100)>>5001995
Rolled 68 (1d100)>>5001995>Personally lead an infiltration along the narrow road, lessening the fighting ability on the ground and removing your ability to lead, but hopefully inspiring your troops and removing doubts as to your loyaltyDeus Vult!
>>5002100>>5002399You know Greed is one of the Seven Deadly Sin, right anon?
>>5002002>>5002100>>5002399>>5002413OPTION SELECTED:>Personally lead an infiltration along the narrow road, lessening the fighting ability on the ground and removing your ability to lead, but hopefully inspiring your troops and removing doubts as to your loyaltyYou settle on the idea of leading an assault through the narrow road to the surface. It's definitely the most risky possible option. The road out is a vulnerable, exposed position, and the surface streets could turn into a death-trap if things go wrong. You personally won't be able to provide much in combat and would be a drag to the overall group. Furthermore, falling back during an active firefight may cause a drop in morale, even a rout. Even so, you need to break the developing stalemate and you need to win the confidence of those you're leading.You inform your men that you're leaving. Whether they hear your message over the incessant gunfire, shouts/screams, and that still blaring car horn is another matter. You (and by that you mean the driver) reverse the car, turn, and head back the way you came. Being at the back of the group already, the risk of being shot at from behind is low and you fall back without incident. You leave behind the smoke filled mess of gunfire which, with near absolute certainty, members of your group have already died to. The concrete under the truck tires gives way to gravel and then to dirt. A gentle slope leads to a blocked off area guarding suburban housing and to the side road you'll be taking.You are now completely separated from the main force. You considered issuing specific orders to them, but on second thought found nothing would really make sense. For instance, you could have ordered the use of smoke as cover, but the area is already covered in smoke. Repositioning to get a better angle to suppress the enemy from, or the idea of suppressing in general, doesn't really make sense given the current battle taking place on what amounts to a narrow line and suppressing generally means just shooting at them, like they were doing before. Really, how they fare between now and your linking up with them is completely out of your control:>Rolling for Main Force Performance...>Result: ???The path is just large enough to accommodate your vehicle, as it was clearly designed for either foot traffic or an odd service vehicle. With some of the turns, you have to travel slower and more carefully than in the comparatively broad canal itself. It's clear that this route would not be useable for any significant force, really anything greater than a single vehicle. It is, therefore, the perfect route for any kind of maneuver. You travel at decent speed, enough to reach the crossing before anyone can respond. From what you can see, the enemy is preoccupied with the battle below and you believe the element of surprise will b-"Oh, c'mon not this shit!" the driver says with obvious frustration. You soon see why...[1/???]
>>5004226[2/???]>Complication Roll Result:>35 - Mildly Negative Roll... [Prohibited Route]At the end of the route lies a single bollard fixed firmly into the ground with the intention of warding off any interlopers into the canal. Despite you coming from the opposite end, this humble road fixture forces the driver to slow down to a near stop. Getting onto the surface streets would require awkwardly climbing over the lip of a nearby parking lot and going around it. For a large truck meant for some amount of off-roading this isn't a big issue. What is, however, is the fact that this minor complication has heavily mitigated your element of surprise while enemies are in relatively close range.>+1 Surprise Bonus (mitigated)The POZ fighters can be heard cursing in a brief state of confusion. While you would have liked to unleash a decisive blow here and now, the position that single bollard put you in is just too awkward to deal with. The opportunity is used to power the truck over into the parking lot. Now, your group can maneuver themselves to somewhere that isn't filled with smoke and to a firing position that doesn't have concrete cover for the defenders. Their defensive position is highly dependent on orientation, which wouldn't be a problem for them in the canal, where flanking or getting better angles would be impossible, but here in the surface streets you have the advantage. >+5 terrain bonusThe truck moves to a different part of the parking lot behind a sign advertising the various stores present. It's not the best cover, but it'll do. You'll need every advantage you can get since you're outnumbered here. You yourself will be of limited use due to your age (the prime of your life, the eighties and nineties, was long ago.) Since you only have a single truck worth of people, this is a situation where every man counts."I'll keep the back clear, you crusaders focus on the bridge..."And with the token Boiz member warding off any reinforcements from the surface streets, a role you can't reasonably tell him not to do due to its importance, that leaves only a few men to turn the tide of the battle. >-6 for being outnumbered in hostile territory>-2 for trait [Frailty]You take up your rifle and begin shooting from the cover of the sign. It's not the most effective effort, but it's something. The crusaders you're leading, on the other hand, seem to be holding up well for themselves. While the mission has not gone as planned due to an unexpectedly stiff resistance, they're fighting as if they're on the verge of victory. Not only are these religious zealots who quite literally wish for a martyr's death, they are your personal guard. They are people you have personally inducted into the faith and are fiercely loyal to you, personally. While some would say this is a potentially dangerous loyalty to someone who is not the Messenger, few would argue with the results if they were to see it...
>>5004230[3/???]>+5 morale bonus In addition to exceptional morale, you benefit from superior equipment, especially the heavy crusader armor. It's not as much of a bonus as usual, though, as the weaponry the enemy has is best suited to closer ranged urban combat exactly like the one you're in. The situation at the canal involved longer ranges and more cover, which gave your side a greater comparative advantage. >+3 equipment bonusIt's not a perfectly executed maneuver, but it's still a good one. The question is if it will be good enough...Final Result:> 13 + 6 = 19>Good SuccessThe result is the defenders totally overreact. They commit a disproportionate amount of their efforts to your group, either thinking your forces are greater than they are or outright forgetting about the main battle. This, of course, is not pleasant for you or your comrades in arms. In the midst of the battle, you even think you heard some kind of grunt or yelp from your side, although in the chaos of battle it is always difficult to tell what's going on exactly.The question now is how the canal forces perform...>Canal Forces Result Revealed:>Great Success!You obviously can't see what's going on, but what you can see are bodies dropping and utter confusion among the ranks of the enemy. Whereas before they had the upper hand, now the tide seems to be turning. >Forcing morale check...>Result: FailureDespite still having a decent force remaining, you notice some of them moving back. You notice the tell-tale signs of a retreat about to break out as they seem to focus more on falling back behind their concrete cover or the road's median than properly fighting back. Strangely, they seem to hesitate around the far edge of the canal above the actual current of water. For a moment, you wonder if you're read the situation wrong. The doubt is just for a moment, however. One of the defenders, apparently panicking, botches a throw with his firebomb. His body is wreathed in flames as he begins to flail around like a man possessed. The area is covered in black smoke and the distinctive screams can be heard well over the rest of the chaos. At this moment, their forces lose their hesitation and bolt past the bridge, presumably abandoning their vehicles. The last you see of them is some of them carrying their wounded out through the smoke and, you believe, the man on fire hurling himself into the rushing waters of the canal below.Somehow, the third engagement is over. As these progress you're noticing a theme of stiffer and stiffer resistance. Whether this is bad luck, an expected escalating response, or something more nefarious you cannot tell...
>>5004234[4/4]Your group gets back in the truck, which now had significantly more damage in the form of bullet holes peppering the body. You're told that there's a similar road to the one you came here with that continues, quite conveniently, to the next site of interest. There's no time to double back, so the only way out is through. You message the rest of the group to continue, which they seemed to be ready to do anyway.The journey there is fairly long. You appreciate the rest. You're not used to exerting yourself like this. While you consider yourself to be in decent shape, urban combat is nonetheless an extremely draining activity. Most of the others are, also, not in great condition. One of your personal guard got shot during the engagement, although he's not dead yet. You're no medical doctor or anything, so you really can't do much about or comment on the situation.Eventually, you reach the first exit to the canal's open area, now quite narrow, even compared to the area around the double crossings. The vehicle descends to the area which is just in front of the crossing to the water treatment facility.[Stage 4 ~ Treatment Facility]You meet up with the rest of the forces. From above, you notice at least a few bodies placed on the beds of the pick-up trucks."The objective's less than a kilometer out if the map's right," one of the mercenaries tells you. "We're going to take our positions and cover you guys on the advance, except for the two. Make sure you guys get the 'thing' as soon as you can after getting rid of the guards.""The thing?" you ask."They'll know it when they see it. We're burnin' daylight here, and we don't have much-""C'mon Shinobi, we're about to cross!""Coming!" the man in front of you shouts in response. "If you got anything burning you got to say, make it quick."There are quite a few things you've picked up on. You've noticed the canal is a running theme. It's an important defensive feature and landmark, but is there something more going on? Also, there's the issue of the objective. You're not quite sure what it is, and you can't tell if they're being intentionally dodgy or if it's just their cavalier attitude. These are just a couple of examples.In addition, there's the matter of what to do with the dead and wounded. There's a non-trivial number of them, especially after that last protracted engagement. You actually have medics with you and this brief window of apparent calm provides an opportunity to use them. It would, of course, take time. Time is at an absolute premium, especially with the previous time loss and the looming threat of the having to engage in night-combat if you're too slow.What do you do?>Ask one thing of the Boiz support>Advance to the objective area>Take respite here to briefly heal and rest>Ask the Boiz to accept your severely wounded [Specify backup in case they refuse]>Something else [Write-In]
>>5004239>>Ask the Boiz to accept your severely wounded [Specify backup in case they refuse]Simply advance if they refuse.
>>5004239>Ask the Boiz to accept your severely wounded [Specify backup in case they refuse]>Something else [Write-In]Sabotage the treatment plant.
>>5004524+1I would take the abandoned enemy trucks, but time is on a premium here.I will mention that it better be worth the casualties the Crusaders are taking. I don't seen any of the Boiz bleeding as much as the Crusaders are.
>>5004854Yeah I'm feeling more than a little salty that we're the only ones that are really in the mix as well.
I knew I was forgetting something:>Roll 2d20>Roll 1d100>>5004854>I will mention that it better be worth the casualties the Crusaders are taking. I don't seen any of the Boiz bleeding as much as the Crusaders are.Yes, this is by design. The mission description said this was dangerous and that the Crusaders would be expected to bear the brunt of it ("you can expect that not everyone who ventures forth will make it back.") The other guys are playing more of a support role which really is focused on this last part, including holding off reinforcements and being able to get you guys out relatively safely in the dark. That, and those terrible rolls actually count for something. Mostly the second, actually. I'm surprised you guys haven't rolled a single positive event already, and that 4 cost you guys more than just momentum (the description I wrote of the fighting should have made it obvious that people were either dying or getting knocked out).tl;dr: Please don't roll like shit
Rolled 4 (1d20)>>5004958Honestly, I just want to get this mission over with. This has been an unmitigated disaster from beginning to end, and I just want to put this RNG bullshit behind us.
>>5004963I wouldn't put it in the "unmitigated disaster" category, unless your definition of that is literally just taking any losses at all. People got hurt, but you guys brought a lot of people too, so it may still within the realm of 'acceptable losses.' If you guys actually do believe even a few dead is a total disaster, then I would question why you guys signed up for a mission that explicitly said that some of your people would probably die.Unless you mean the disaster is the rng, in which case 100% yes. This recent encounter basically wouldn't have happened if you guys didn't roll a 21/100 but got a neutral to positive result.
>>5004976I'm talking about RNG. Unless somebody is gonna pick up my slack here (>>5004963), then I'm afraid that this is where this mission is heading. I'd probably feel better if the casualties were being shared equally, but as it stands currently? This is slowly snowballing into a disaster, I maybe I'm a glass half empty try of guy, but I don't think the reward will be worth the amount of time we'll have to waste replenishing our manpower to get out platoons back to full strength, assuming only a couple weeks of training to get the up to the Crusader standard.I'll be the first to say, I'd be more than happy for RNGesus to prove me wrong.
>>5004239>>Something else [Write-In]METH TIME
Rolled 3 (1d20)>>5005055
>>5005057Man whatever I'm tired of this shit
Rolled 62 (1d100)>>5004958Fine, lets see how shit this is
>>5004239>Something else [If we get into combat immediately, break out the tear gas and meth]I’m sick and tired of this bullshit RNG, and if the next stage is our target and loot, I want this shit dealt with.At this point, I just want this mission finished so I can complain about how shit the rewards are going to be in comparison to losses we’ve taken.
>>5005770Same.I've been with this quest a long time, and i know best of three is kind of shit but i like winning. I really doubt what we get out of this is worth the time and casualties
>>5005785Unless that thing is an Abrams, I’m afraid I’m forced to agree. Considering this recent spat of 4s RNGesus decided to punish us with, I think we’ll be lucky to escape with half a platoon in fighting condition after this mess. I think this will dampen the enthusiasm for other side ops in the future.
>>5005202im so sorry, i haven't rolled in like 3 threads. back 2 lurk mode.
>>5006191Roll next turn, maybe you can break the bad RNG and deliver us from evil.
So I didn't do the update because I couldn't wait longer for the d100 to come in, partially my fault for forgetting to prompt that in the update. In the meantime, I did some number crunching on the actual odds of that streak of rolls, and it turns out it's pretty low odds. As in well south of <1% counting the complication rolls (which in some cases are more important than performance.) Normally, I wouldn't do anything about it because you guys have benefitted from some bullshit luck before, but this is a bit much, even for a sadist like me who will (i.e. did) end a game for a bad decision or two. So I'll put on a tin-foil hat and become a crackpot for a bitIn light of the above, I'm thinking of adding some kind of mechanic that interacts with the RNG. The first one that came to mind is the "fate points" mechanism from the old 40k TTRPGs like Dark Heresy. There, you would have a limited number of points a session (in this case thread) that would let player re-roll or add a moderate flat bonus to the action in question. In the event of a player death, you could permanently remove ("burn") a fate point and just barely survive (emphasis on just barely.) It'd probably be renamed to "divine fervor" or something like thatSomething else that came to mind would be some kind of 'RNG stabilizer' mechanic, where rolling too poorly would result in getting a temporary buff of some kind (probably an extra die) and rolling too well would result in some kind of malus (probably roll 3, take the middle). I'm not sure how to do it in a way that doesn't just involve using discretion, but I'm all ears.There's also just having a re-do for just this, assuming this event to be an instance of broken RNG since it spat out the same garbage (4,3) twice. I kind of lean towards this one, if only because it's the easiest out.Of course, there's always the default of just going with things. Honestly, the position you guys are in isn't the end of the world. There were a lot of mistakes you guys made leading up to this, mostly in reading comprehension. It was explicitly said to be dangerous and you guys thought that, somehow, the 'min-max' thing to do would be to send an ex-GRU spy the faction somehow has to a bunch of gunfights (I still have no clue what the logic was there, other than some vague "they're both communist" thing.) I would respect a choice to take the bloody nose here (i.e. losing manpower until they can heal/reinforce) and keep moving forward. The dice - are - really bullshit though, so I'd only do it if there's decent support.One of the strengths of this medium is flexibility, so I'm going to lean into that. I'd like to hear any suggestions on new mechanics or ways to proceed.
>>5006215Speaking as a veteran from the first thread, when the original QM was still kicking (and probably will kick myself later from this), but I expected to take a beating from these rolls, and I don’t expect anything different now. While my heart screams at the unfortunate circumstances that this RNG has put ourselves in (and it is bullshit btw), I can only assume that this is God’s will, a suffering that must be borne in penitence for whatever sins we made in this quest. I wouldn’t want anyone to to deal with this bullshit if they have any objections to it, but as for me, I’ll go along with whatever you deem best QM, even if that means following RNGesus to it’s logical end, and damn the consequences. You never led us astray before, and since this quest was continues not upon one, but upon two miracles (you picking this up after OP abandoned us and you deciding to keep going in spite of our Bad End that we wrought), I’m willing to deal with the consequences of whatever happens next, good or ill.That said, I am more pessimistic about our luck this mission (and potentially beyond, really) because of recent RNG trends, and I do think that enthusiasm for any side ops will drop after this, which I have mixed feelings about. As it relates to frail GRU spy, I don’t know what the other anons were thinking. I wanted someone with combat experience or knowledge or the area, not Yuri, and I even voted for the Hail Mary with McCoy (clearly the superior choice, after all this RNG bullshit). I only hope that Yuri will be worth the suffering of the mission in other aspects, as I clearly would’ve hoped to have someone more qualified leading this mission.
>>5005902>I think this will dampen the enthusiasm for other side ops in the future.Sucks when you start not wanting to see content on account of not wanting to roll. Happened in Collapsing, anons preferred to vote for things with less encounters in the end so there would be less dice and less things going wrong, so it seemed.
>>5006215I think we just wanted a cool character with a back story over a more situationally convenient Cardinal, if we have more time to pick and choose or make up a few characters than could be put on ice, we would have probably chosen to make 3 or more characters to pick from.As for the bad rolls and bad situation, I think adding special boons or helping events into our choices or options that players can discover both by accident and player write in, dice roll, or choosing the "right" choice would by a nice curveball to throw in and add some (good) Chaos.
>>5006429I personally don't want that to happen, but if our guys get chewed up too badly we may not even have much of a choice until we can replace our casualties. Thank goodness we're in a relative quiet on the home front for the moment, but I do worry about the future. If we get a low local roll after this, I'll probably suffer a heart attack like Trkulja.
So, it looks like we'll be going with the "bloody nose" of no added mechanics or rerolls. I can respect that, since if I was a player I'd probably take every freebie I could get (or just gloat that things I said would go bad did go bad, probably the latter.) I do still like the idea of having a 'fate point' type of system, but I'll wait until we get to [REDACTED] before doing a test drive of it. Votes/suggestions/whatever are still accepted until the next update, but don't expect too long of a window for that.>>5006429>CollapsingDid that quest finish or is it on hiatus? I never read it, but I noticed I stopped seeing the threads on the board>>5006456What you are suggesting, that selections add certain events regardless of roll, that players can write in things that can help them regardless of roll, and that characters can have special options open to them are all part of the quest already. That last one won't matter much because the character in question does not have anything special he can do w/r/t combat (you just got some character observations hinting at [REDACTED]). Some choices were indeed the "right" ones and gave you guys bonuses you wouldn't have gotten, and others were obviously traps that if you selected them you'd have a real bad time, so that's already at play.Also, you guys had more than enough time to make/tweak any characters you wanted and there were multiple ideas floating around (in addition to opening the cardinal creation mystery box.) There were, in fact, more than enough choices floated to where not all of them can be included, even assuming a few of them would mere minor leaders.
>>5007245I'll have to inquire about how these 'fate points' would work in practice, as I've not had the pleasure of interacting with them as a mechanic, so I don't have a frame of reference for how it would work.As for the 'bloody nose', consider it karma for our previous hot streak we were on with our rolls. I may not like it, will probably kick myself for being a fool and not taking the freebie when I could, but we've been in this quest long enough that I trust you won't lead us astray, whatever consequences befall us. Just don't expect me not to bitch about the RNG when it fucks us over.By the way, did we get to the warehouse stage, or are there even more stages to this mission? I'm a bit tired of having our ass kicked with nothing to show for it. Also, will >>5005770 order help mitigate our casualties, or are these likely to not help out with our combat due to bullshit RNG?Also, a cardinal mystery box? I don't mind opening it if McCoy and that celebrity addict were also on the cardinal list. If you lads are in favor of nailing down some cardinals right now, even if they are put on ice, then I'm in favor for cementing these cardinals into stone right here, right now.>A Hollywood child actor turned addict with a penchant for blurring the line between reality and character identity>Maricopan surgeon who joined after meeting the Messenger and a tragic loss >Mystery box cardinalI left out the battle nun/chinese spy, since people seem to have strong feelings about this character, which reasons seems to change every thread, but I think having a Joan of Arc character would be pretty neat, and the spycraft/fentanyl angle meshes well with our origins, but I'm obviously the odd man out here.Regardless, any objections for these three becoming the current cardinal roster for the Sun Belt Crusaders?
>>5007245>>CollapsingIt's on "hiatus" QM started a new quest and last mentioned in the /qtg/ that he was reworking the mechanics of it. I don't expect it to come back though.
>>5007267We need more fighters honestly, an ex narco or something like that and the killdozer guy are my votes.
>>5007328I think the opposite true. After we take this beating, we’re probably not going on any military excursions for a while until we can heal/train our manpower back up to full strength. Considering that we have two cardinal with military experience, as well as our other focus of converting/subverting Maricopa, I think having a deadicated PR guy like the Hollywood actor would be a boon to our convertion/subversion efforts, and having a trained doctor will help us maintain our manpower long-term, increased the effectiveness of our combat medics, and help our injured get back into the fight quicker. The Mystery Box Cardinal is just to throw the QM a bone and have him take part in the cardinal creation fun as well, but I think diversifying our cardinal specialties beyond just a combat skill set may help us more in the long term than a couple more fighter cardinals, at least in the short term.Plus, I think having the narco be the nun would be an interesting twist on it, but I understand if you have something different in mind.
>>5007346Killdozer in my opinion is an excellent choice on account of engineering and mechanical expertise. It gives us someone who would be decent for combat, and would double down on our mechanized focus. Having a killdozer vehicle is a meme, but having a guy that can work on churning out improvised armored cars and tanks would be quite useful I would think.I mean, we are crusaders, we need some fighters.
>>5007449Frankly, without the Machine Workshop, Killdozer cardinal would be of limited utility compared to all the other shit we’re trying to do, like becoming a legitimate religion in the eyes of the people. And while we are in agreement that we need more battle cardinals, we’re not going to need them until we have a bigger military force at our disposal, which considering current circumstances and casualties, we won’t be doing any more military excursions for a while unless they’re defensive in nature. We need more manpower in general, not more battle cardinals. It’s why the Hollywood PR guy and the Doctor would be more useful than a mechanic we can adequately use without 300(?) WP being spent on a Machine Workshop and another battle cardinal leading a smaller, wounded military force.Do you understand where I’m coming from, or am I failing to reach you?
>>5007474Frankly, the doctor is the only one of your ideas that I like, but really what tangible benefit does a doctor have as a POV character? All he can do is fix people, you won't have a doctor out in the field doing things, you'll have him in a med station or operating room to really make use of his abilities.The hollywood guy just sounds outlandish in a way that clashes with our theme in my opinion, not as bad as Yuri or a battle nun I guess though. You want a "face"? The idea is fine, but I don't agree with your presentation of it.And on killdozer, I feel confident that having a character specialized in such things would allow for plenty of tangible benefits without having a machine workshop up and running. I expect it would likely lower some costs on construction as well.Still, at the end of the day it's all about fun, we're not all going to agree on whats fun.
>>5007615I could say the same thing about Killldozer as I would about the doctor. You'll never want him as a POV character as he's better off tinkering in the background.Also, I don't think having a celebrity cardinal is against our theme, I think it's more of a throwback in our time as a Californian drug cult to be honest, and having a face everyone recognizes will make our faction more palatable to the general public.At the end of the day, I guess we just have different opinions on the matter. Thank you for giving me your input however.
Just thinking hereWhat about a cardinal in absentia? A former protégé of the messenger that was left behind for whatever reason when we came east? That still keeps the left behind members of the crusade together in hopes of reuniting with the rest of us? Maybe he even has his dopey loyal friendos badger and skinny pete spreading the word with him?Yo xbox!
>>5008712I thought that already happened? I don’t mind having another mystery box cardinal appear later on, I think that it’ll be a neat story beat, while also having the QM get in on a bit of the crusader cardinal fun.I do think the current cardinal roster is what’s immediately available to us though.
>>5004524>>5004735>>5004826>>5004854>>5004963>>5005057OPTION SELECTED:>Ask the Boiz to accept your severely wounded"Eh, I'm not sure that's a good idea," he responds."And why not? We have perhaps over a dozen men who are wounded, some severely or fatally. They will not be effective in the attack, and they will only take up space that could be used for valuables. We brought medical personnel for exactly this."He looks to the group on the other side of the canal and then back to you, seemingly nervous about something. "I don't know, it's supposed to be just us, this wasn't part of the plan." "And neither was this level of resistance," you retort. "But we adapted. We only ask of you what we ourselves did for you." It's a stretching of the truth. While not completely wrong, it was your faction's relatively poor performance (in part due to you being a poor fit for this mission) that resulted in this situation in the first place. Still, with the lack of time, you believe he will give in. Besides, there is seemingly no immediately obvious reason for his faction to deny your request.For a moment, he thinks silently with pursed lips until his faction calls to him. "You know what," he says, nodding his head. "I think you're right. Alright, let's see if we can do this."He runs off across the canal and to his men. What proceeds is a spirited discussion. You can't make out what they're saying as they presumably form sides in the argument, but they're clearly on the verge of shouting. As they continue, one of your crusaders approach you, but you signal him to wait.>Determining result...>Request Accepted The man you were speaking too runs back to you with another person who speaks to you. "You got a damn fuckin' good advocate here, I'll tell you that. I'll let some of you stay behind, the wounded and the medics." he says. "But they're going to stay where we tell them to stay, and not so much as walk out to take a piss. If I get even a hint that any one of them is going to fuck up the water infrastructure, I'll kill 'em myself.""I doubt they will even think of such things, but still, your command is my wish." He is remarkably insistent about this point that you have no reason to object to. "I'll see to it that they're left behind, and we will continue without any further delay.">Advance to the objective areaYou get a thumbs-up in response and waste no time in returning to the mission. The sun is inching ever closer to the horizon and readying to plunge the city into darkness. You make sure most of the medics and severely wounded/casualties are unloaded and have the rest of the force move on ahead. They can manage to get themselves on the other side of the canal without direct supervision. You briefly think of what's going on with your partners' hesitance towards your request, but the road to the end is short and you have little time for idle musings...[1/???]
>>5009488[2/???]"We're in position," you hear from the radio. "We got them in our sights and - the hell? Hey, you guys seeing what I'm seeing?" That last part is obviously directed at someone physically near him and not you."What is the matter? Another complication?""Actually yes...">Complication Roll Result:>62 - Mildly Positive Roll... [Awfully Scattered]"They don't actually seem to be guarding the canal," he explains."Then what are they doing?""They're forming defenses around, the hell, why are they facing themselves north along the avenue? Yeah, I think these guys are confused or got bad intel or something, you'll get a good first hit on their rear," he says. "Hey, Langley, the fuck you laughing at?!"Somehow, you'll get an opportunity to actually catch your opponents somewhat off guard and ambush them at the very end in their defended position. It's still attacking a defended position while you have partial strength, but you'll have to take every advantage you can get. A failure to drive out the defenders and take hold of this area means everything will be for nothing.The group gets to the final bend and ascends the ramp in the canal leading to the surface. From here, past an empty lot and the edge of a parking lot, you can see defenders coming from the east preparing themselves behind a roadblock made from vehicles and pre-prepared barricades. The opening through the buildings is small, however, and the defenders evidently don't notice your forces as they pass through this small gap and slip behind the building. The remaining crusaders soon pour out from the back of the parking lot, as if they had materialised from thin air. The battle begins.The defenders are caught off guard as their forces are split up between defending the road ahead and the actual objective, a small shopping plaza in front of a storage facility. They outnumber you, but split between two areas and scattered in their response, you have a good chance at forcing them to flee to a quick, decisive strike.>-6 for being outnumbered in hostile territory (amplified by previous losses)>+2 for use of infiltration tactics"Remember the training: Strike First, Strike Hard!" you hear on the comms. You recall that not too long ago there was a training exercise held in Stanfield, Maricopa that specifically revolved around ambushes and pre-emptive strikes. A snap decision is made to focus on the defenders along the road and concentrate forces there. By coordinating on a single point on both the individual and collective levels, this small advantage can be amplified into what will hopefully be an easy victory...
>>5009489[3/???]>+3 for "Strike First, Strike Hard" tactic trainingThe defenders at the road are caught totally off guard. While they're still ready to fight, their attempt at 'digging in' was misdirected and they receive benefit from it. The distance between them and the advancing crusaders is fairly wide and open, which gives your motorized troops an advantage in maneuver. It's not quite the advantage of a full speed charge through the open with the sun at your back, but it's something. While they do benefit from the relatively short ranges, which their urban-combat oriented equipment is oriented towards, it's small comfort when facing heavily armored fighters zipping around in vehicles.>+1 from terrain>+3 from superior equipmentMorale has become an issue as this offensive has been prosecuted. The Crusaders, normally fanatical in their zeal and unflinching in the face of death, began to question the reality of success and their leadership (i.e. you.) There are still doubts, but your choice to personally lead a maneuver to break the stalemate at the Double Crossings and the later choice to leave behind many of the wounded (i.e. the least confident in the mission) has resulted in a relative boost in fighting spirits. This is timely, too, as the enemy here seems to be a cut above the previous fighters in their own will to fight. Instead of shattering on the first charge, they remain steadfast and ready themselves to fight off your incursion with everything they have.>+2 relative morale bonus (maluses from [Cult of Personality] temporarily removed)The defenders on the road do their best to transition to the other side of their defenses and inflict casualties on the Crusaders. Despite the proverbial deck being stacked against them, they do better than one might expect. Profanity and frustration fill your comms as it's clear that your forces take casualties, although the extent can't be reliably known at this time. At the least, none of the trucks seem to be (immediately) disabled in the fighting.Despite their staunch resistance, a number of them fall back north along the avenue in more friendly terrain, presumably to regroup for some kind of counter-offensive. There's no time to see if you can pursue them just yet, as there's still the remaining defenders holed up in the plaza. As the attack on the street finishes, you notice one of the plaza defenders suicidally running out of a defensive structure (once a fast food restaurant) with a firebomb in his hand ready to strike your momentarily vulnerable group. Just as it looks like there will be a repeat of the setback at the Double Crossings, the man's side bursts as he tumbles to the ground. The firebomb bursts 'harmlessly' a few meters away from his presumed corpse. It turns out your support actually matters for something...
>>5009491[4/???]>+5 for long range support Most of the crusaders, the ones not suppressing those falling back, proceed towards the plaza to finish off the defenders there, largely acting on their own and not even waiting for orders. Either they're extremely caught up in the rush of battle, too eager to be done with it all, or a bit of both. The defenders at the plaza put up a staunch resistance. Not only are they in a better position with their defenses actually oriented towards the attacker, but the initial shock is starting to wear off. This fight is beginning to drag on, which is more of a disadvantage for your side than the relatively fresh defenders.>-2 malus for prolonged fightingWith help from the long range support from the Boiz, which is able to penetrate many of the defenses even at this long range, the Crusaders faction manages to drive out the defenders from the plaza. They fall back to the east under the cover of smoke, presumably to the storage facility area, but you really can't tell. A good number of them fall in the process, their corpses littering the battlefield. Likewise, they inflict damage to yours as well, although it's less easy to count wounded in vehicles than it is to see bodies on the ground.The prolonged chaos winds down, with the objective now almost clear.>Final Result: 4 + 8 = 12>Okay Success>Forcing Enemy Morale Check...>Result: Failure"Hey!" you hear a nearby crusader shout between gunshots. The only reason you can hear him, or even hear at all, is the fact that the guns are suppressed. "I think they're running away!""Yeah, I'm seeing the-" the other crusader pauses mid-response to shoot a few times. "I'm seeing them flee over here too."Yet a third crusader, seemingly wounded by the way he's clutching his arm, speaks up. "Is it done, Yuri?""No, crusader. It has only begun..."
>>5009493[5/???][Stage 6 ~ The Looting]With the enemy either dead or driven out, the objective lies before you. This plaza, once home to a number of stores and restaurants, is being used to store a variety of goods. Outside of a department store you can see a couple of ammunition boxes of unknown type. An electronics store has boxes of random items visible inside. The fast food restaurant on the corner, as was mentioned previously, was used to garrison troops. There are plenty of useful pieces of loot to take from here.Behind the plaza lies a large storage facility. It is likely undefended, as if there was anyone there they would have probably joined in on the fighting. You have absolutely no clue what's behind any of the doors. You or the Boiz might be able to make educated guesses to some degree, but a lot of it would be like opening so called 'mystery boxes' in terms of variability. You will get a decent portion of the wealth looted, whether it be in the form of some of the loot itself, equivalent WP, or special goods/services. For obvious reasons, the fine details will be determined later, but the more taken the better.As part of the mission, the Boiz are highly insistent on first searching for a specific box of loot for their patron this mission. They are highly certain on the box being either at the electronics store or the department store, with a low likelihood of it being at the storage facility. You have no idea what this is, but it must be fairly important to risk hiring mercenaries to take on this daring infiltration.Storage space is not a major concern. There are many vehicles, and they are mostly empty. You don't even have to devote much space to carrying passengers since the Boiz accepted your wounded. The main issue here is time. Spending time here this deep in hostile POZ territory means you will almost certainly face some kind of response. You have the Boiz able to warn you of and mitigate said response, but that only goes so far. More broadly, there is the issue of the night. Darkness is starting to descend upon Phoenix. Your Boiz companions are confident that they can safely navigate you all back with the use of night-vision, but still, if being behind enemy lines is bad, then being behind enemy lines at night is worse. Night-combat is generally avoided for a reason...
>>5009497[6/6]>Events influenced by the multiple [Speed Focus] selections:>Gain at least 1 free 'turn' of looting before a significant counter-attackYour crusaders can, for convenience, be divided into three groups that can act at the same time. You can order them in any arrangement, such as making them all focus on one thing (devoting all actions on one task) or spreading them out among a variety of tasks.>Time: Dusk>Number of Actions: ThreeSelect actions from the following:>Position crusaders to fend off counter-attacks [currently no counter-attack]>Search plaza for mission objective [roll 1d100]>Loot the plaza for valuables [roll 2d100]>Search storage facility for mission objective [roll 1d100]>Loot the storage facility for valuables [more varied loot] [roll 2d100]>Let the tired and wounded rest and heal>RetreatAnd, taken as the first die roll:>Roll 1d100 for response [Result has a floor]See, it's not totally bad! You guys did take casualties (the extent of which will be revealed when things calm down a bit), but hey, you're here at the last real stage, the loot casino! But if you guys rolled a twenty-something on the complication roll and not a positive result, things would be significantly worse. I did, by the way, actually roll their morale and they got a shit result. They would not have fled otherwise, and things might have went differently.And since you guys wanted to stick with the RNG, you'll no doubt love having to roll a shit-ton of d100's, right?!>>5007267As mentioned in the update, you guys were a small distance away from the last area, although the real 'final stage' is seeing how hard you guys want to push your luck for more l00t. And regarding Cardinal spots, four have been dedicated (""Musella"", Mueller, Trkulja, and now Yuri) so only one remains from the initial five. I've thought about it, and the best way to handle future ones is to make it so that you have to promote an existing character, whether it be ones in story or generated lower level guys, to make things more reasonable. I might have to clamp down on the latter at a certain point, but I think we're fine for now. As a reminder, six is currently the limit. To expand that limit, you need to unify greater amounts of territory.>>5008712As a rule, characters generated are POVs. You can't make a person that exists in a far off land unconnected from the main group. It has been established that all five cardinals are present in Mobile. Former members exist in unknown numbers elsewhere, but details are unknown, You may get details later (emphasis on may) depending on how [REDACTED] goes...
Rolled 21 (1d100)>>5009502>Search plaza for mission objective [roll 1d100]>Loot the plaza for valuables [roll 2d100]>Loot the storage facility for valuables [more varied loot] [roll 2d100]Let's go!
>>5009569This is the enemy's result, right? I'm wondering if I should whoop or cry at this roll...
>>5009574It's the roll for the enemy response. Due to previous selections, this time it has a floor that means that low rolls get "bumped up" to the worst option that doesn't involve you guys getting immediately attacked. It represents getting there fast enough that a counter attack won't immediately be organized.The rest of the rolls will go towards loot. Also, assuming there are multiple rolls for the mystery objective package, then it represents multiple chances at getting the item. If one of those multiple succeeds, then the other roll(s) goes towards looting from the place like it was a regular looting roll. This way, there is incentive to spend multiple dice if you really value getting the objective thing, but not to the point where it isn't worth using regular loot actions if you're feeling it
>>5009671So lower is worse for the enemy? Alright.Now that I'm thinking more clearly, should we instead try and double our objective, and position our crusaders to fend off counter-attacks? I think that may be the more sensible option lads.
Rolled 39 (1d100)>>5009569Sounds like the best blend
>>5009749I think we're being a bit to cavalier about this, especially with recent combat rolls, but I honestly just want a win at this point, which is why I chose the most dice option.I think the smarter play would involve>Position crusaders to fend off counter-attacks [currently no counter-attack]>Search plaza for mission objective [roll 1d100]>Let the tired and wounded rest and healbut I'm tired of the RNG bullshit, and the faster we get the looting done, the faster we can get the fuck out of here. I can't wait to get on with the rest of our week.
>>5009732No, that is nowhere near what I intended to get across. I was saying that the first roll is the response roll, as in it's not the result for drawing loot. Just because it regards others does not reverse the general rule that lower is worse. The reason why I said "bumped up" is that numbers below a certain point act like the floor value. If, for some reason, high was bad, then a buff would create a ceiling on the values and a floor would be nonsensical. This is not something like me rolling behind the scenes for things like morale checks, which I see me showing is causing confusion. To make it explicit and (hopefully) impossible to misunderstand: 1 is very bad, 100 is very not-bad. It's like most of the other rolls you guys do where lower is worse (think complication rolls).
>>5009764Oh. Thank you for clarifying.>>5009502Changing my vote here (>>5009569) to>Position crusaders to fend off counter-attacks [currently no counter-attack]>Search plaza for mission objective [roll 1d100]>Let the tired and wounded rest and healWe really don't get a break from the RNG bullshit do we?
Wasn't the clothing store and and electronics place the highly probably location of the "box"? Why isn't there a search electronics store option?Unless both stores are in the plaza?I hope we can use their own supplies to blow up and booby trap their own supply dump and rig it all to blow.
Rolled 22 (1d100)>>5009502>Search plaza for mission objective [roll 1d100]>Loot the plaza for valuables [roll 2d100]
Rolled 29 (1d100)>>5009767+1.Eventually, I would like to revisit the Crusader Paratrooper plan (10 W.P.) (http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/4935565/#p4940762). Having paratroopers pre-emptively land on the loot area would give us more time to loot.
Why are the rolls such hot dogshit
>>5009917RNGesus hates us. I just want the suffering to end st this point.>>5009899Totally. Will support after this mess of an operation is over with.
>>5009502>>Number of Actions: Three>Select actions from the following:>>5009845You can vote for 1 more action.>>4996497 >>4997020Do you still want us to roll individually for large quantities of rolls -- bulk rolls -- like these?
>>5009924I'd prefer it, but at this point I'm just think that this just pisses RNGesus off. Go ham if you'd like, but I'm not holding out any hope at the loot being worth the casualties.
>>5009924>>5009502>Position crusaders to fend off counter-attacks [currently no counter-attack]I would be for loot and scoot but given how terrible all of the rolls have been I'm going for paranoid mode.
>>5009937Don't we have a free round of looting tho?
>>5009981It depends on what propts we chose, but we probably ain't getting much with these dogshit rolls.
>>5009981I thought so too but I'm not too sure. I think it means of the 3 actions we have, 1 can be done without any consequences.
>>5009502>Loot the plaza for valuables [roll 2d100]>Loot the storage facility for valuables [more varied loot] [roll 2d100]>Let the tired and wounded rest and heal
Rolled 63, 71 = 134 (2d100)>>5010261
>>5010263>it was the one post autism that caused our bad run of RNGI'm... I'm just going to lay down now.
>>5009845>>5009899>>5009749will the suffering ever end?
>>5009842The stores you mentioned are parts of the plaza and the ones which seem to be the most obvious locations for the mystery objective "box." American plazas are generally home to multiple outlets that sell different goods/services. Spending an action on >Search plaza for mission objective [roll 1d100]refers to having a third of your present forces run around trying to find the proverbial 'glowing briefcase.' It's slower and more deliberate than just grabbing anything that looks somewhat valuable and throwing it into a truck, so that's why it's one roll instead of two (although you can get up to three rolls on it if you devote enough actions.)Also, on trying to see if you can blow the place up (I presume you mean the plaza), I would treat that as a [write-in] that would consume 1 action and just tell you if you can do it. In the event you can, it would open up an option requiring ??? actions/rolls to do it. Whether or not you guys want to burn actions to gamble with trying to blow shit up with these """"wonderful"""" dice, I'm not sure.>>5009981Yes, you have a free period of time, and are correct in your plain reading of the update, in that there is no use in reserving defenders for an attack you know with 100% certainty is not coming until a future round. Of course, you still have the right to select the option if you feel like burning an action for no particular reason. >>5010392>suffering>end>implying......On the topic of statistics, streaks are very much possible. In fact, over a long enough timeframe, they're pretty much guaranteed with dice rolls or coin flips or other such independent events. This is a pretty bad one, so much so that I offered to intervene, so I have washed my hands of the situation (much like Pilate)
>>5010444Okay so setting up for defense is not necessary right now and we can spend the first 3 actions just searching and looting right?So why don't we just pick the two looting options, this way we'd get everything including the special mystery box right? we've looted just about everything and destroyed what we can't take.
>>5010444Just don't let the dice order out Crucifixion, Pilate.>>5010598Frankly, my perception of what I should be voting for in this update keep fluctuating, between new information, the rolls, and demoralizing RNG. If it's a free round of looting, we should make the best of it. My fear is more bullshit RNG combat next round, which I assume manning the defenses early gives us some tangible benefits before combat commences.This is were the autism sets in. After five rolls (excluding the enemy roll), only the last two are worth a damn. Unfortunately, that does jack shit for us unless we devote all 3 actions to looting (in whatever order). Whether the last looting roll goes to general looting, or to our main mission is relevant, but unimportant to the discussion currently. My main worry is the next round of combat, which may receive a benefit to the defenses being fully manned in the previous round, will be marred by further bullshit RNG.That's my my dilemma, managing both greed and fear.
>>5010839Its clear that God is telling us to fight the infidels, not steal from them.....
>>5010839In that case, lets keep it smart and lean.There will be other safer opportunities. Lets point out the elephant in the room and leave no space for it to hide.This isn't so much a looting mission for supplies as it is to secure vitial or highly valuable and secret equipment for the Boyz, the rest of the loot I assume is a informal bribe that we get to keep as whatever else we take is probably ours. Let us focus on that, we search for the objective and then anything else we loot or rest, or get a early start on bailing on this place.Optimal choices would probably be:>Search plaza for mission objective [roll 1d100]>Search storage facility for mission objective [roll 1d100]Then either Rest or Retreat.Staying to dig in and fight on ENEMY turf seems counter productive to keeping things short and quick.
>>5010923This isn't a Bo3, it's first come first serve. From our rolls, I don't think we'll find anything useful until our 4th and 5th rolls, which requires at least one general looting action, preferably two to make the most use out of our 'luck' (if you can call it that), but all three actions must be for the looting to get that 73, which is the highest roll we got this thread. Unless you want to give that up for the lower 63 (which only needs four rolls taken up instead of five), or you give up on finding any loot to man the defenses and give our wounded and tired a chance to rest and heal.Frankly, I'm miffed that the good looting rolls (or any good RND) comes at the cost of preparing for the inevitable counter attack.
>>5010923Also, this mission was never going to be short or quick with this fuckin RNG bullshit.
>>5010923I will also add that the Boiz probably won't pay us for doing this side op with them, and given our losses, leaving without any reward is worst option, since we already sacrificed much getting here. I will probably sperg out myself at leaving without any reward for our casualties.
>>5009502Fuck it. Changing my vote (>>5009767) yet again to my original vote, which was.>Loot the plaza for valuables [roll 2d100]>Loot the storage facility for valuables [more varied loot] [roll 2d100]>Search plaza for mission objective [roll 1d100]While having the mission objectives secured by a high roll would be rad, I honestly figured that this will be pur only chance for a high loot roll. I'm not happy at being forced to choose this because of RNG, but I figure something is better than nothing in this shitshow. I do not have confidence in RNG to retain our position, and I do expect a wipe to happen any round now.The Boiz really had it good this mission, with the Crusaders soaking up casualties without being even paying them first. What an absolute clusterfuck.
>>5009502I see you people still suck at dice rolling.>Search plaza for mission objective [roll 1d100]>Loot the plaza for valuables [roll 2d100]>Let the tired and wounded rest and healKeep the whole crew in the same general area, there might be no counter attack this turn but it's best to keep the whole force fairly close so we can react quickly to what happens next turn. Letting people rest and recuperate so they're in better fighting shape for next turn is also probably better than doing an extra loot action.I'm also once again going to shill the fact that we need the explosive factory to take advantage of the military grade equipment we have available to us: The fucking Mortars. Imagine if we had two trucks with a mortar on the back with a well trained crew during this mission?"Mortar Crew, prepared enemy position, 125 meters, soft targets. Fire for effect" +12 from accurate mortar fire"Mortar Crew, enemy position, overpass, 200 meters. Fire for effect" +8 from Mortar Fire (accuracy penalty from smoke)Our mortars will come in clutch during this time when we're still growing as a faction as they'll let us punch way above our weight, especially against the commies (who's most likely the enemy we'll be fighting this whole early game, aside from the Warden?) who have nothing but small arms and maybe body armor.>>5009899>Eventually, I would like to revisit the Crusader ParatrooperNo, Paratroopers are stupid and a waste of our resources. When we reach the point where our faction is large enough where it might be a feasible idea to implement (I.E when we have the manpower and the aircraft) we can most likely just invest in AirCav which is far superior to paratroopers in both mobility and firepower.>>5010951>I will probably sperg outYou are already sperging and have been for this whole thread. Contain yourself.
>>5011045>You are already sperging and have been for this whole thread. Contain yourself.Sheiiit, is that was sperging is? I guess it's fair to say, I thought I was just dooming. The Paratroopers plan is definitely a go though, 10 WP won't make much of a difference either way wi our faction as it stands currently.As it relates to the Explosive Workshop plan, I agree, but we need a skilled crew to not blow our workshop up, so the plan is to save up WP for that Pharmaceutical Upgrade, then immediately recoup the costs to pay for the Explosive Workshop as half it's price. By the time we get that up and running, we may be able to find that skilled crew to work with us there.With any luck, the WP we gain here will pay for it, but I ain't feeling luck here.
>>5011071>The Paratroopers plan is definitely a go though, 10 WP won't make much of a difference either way wi our faction as it stands currently.It's not the WP that is the problem with the Paratrooper plan. The problem is that we have one Crop Duster Aircraft that can fit, at max, 10 people if we are being generous, which is an insignificant number to make a difference and we're already running understrength platoons as is so we have no manpower to spare for this new "initiative". We'll just be pissing away soldiers if we drop people to their death like this.
>>501108210 people can make a difference, especially with the element of surprise. We ain't planning an Operation Market Garden after all, just more tactical flexibility.
>>5011088There is no surprise. It's an aircraft. It makes noise. A lot of noise. Even worse, whereas most people wouldn't care about a passing aircraft normally, you do not have civilian fucking aircraft flying over an active combat zone without reason. People will immediately notice. They will notice we're dropping people and they will immediately scramble a response team to attack our Paratroopers. Paratroopers that will be spread out and disorganized and incredibly few in number, who will be hunted down and killed without much effort.Paradropping is entierly based around disrupting enemy communications, securing vital strategic objectives and holding them against enemy counter-attacks. 10 people can not do this. 10 people can not give us "tactical flexibility" as you put it. Every drop is 10 dead men that could've been put to better use doing literally anything else than being dead behind enemy lines. It is quite blatantly the most retarded thing we could do under our current circumstance as a faction and I do not for the life of me understand how anyone could think diluting our already depleted manpower pool further is a good idea.I thought you maybe learned a thing or two after you maimed Ford in the Enclave Quest on a fucking whim, but I guess you're just trying to knock out Homerun after Homerun of stupid ideas, don't you?
>>5010261I'll back this too. Ignore all other recent votes besides this one.
>>5011094There is surprise, as people rarely look up, and we ain't paradropping them so low to the ground that they can hear the plane. We ain't planning on using them for strategic strategies like Market Garden, despite your best attempts to turn it into some strategic strategy which is doomed to fail. The fact that your fear-mongering the idea without even allowing the test run is just you sperging out that your favorite Enclave Quest got post-birth aborted due to the anons autistic dedication to trying to turn it into a Civ quest instead of the action/adventure quest it really was.And yes, I was the anon that rolled that nat 100 that lost Ford his leg, but it was your dedication to Civ autism that ultimately killed that quest. Stew in your impotence, Seethanon.My Captcha is YXMAD. Oddly fitting.
>>5011094>>5011111Perhaps it could be use for more tactical insertions not over combat zones? Like drop a commando team hidden somewhere in support of a larger attack instead of dropping ontop of an enemy position.I think gliders might be more feasible. Quiet and we can bring them up to a high altitude, then let them go and let them glide quietly to a location.
>>5011121Ye. Have then be snipers as well.
>>5011125Problem is, we can't really support them and arm them with what they need to survive and be effective. At least for now.We also need a paratrooper cardinal.....
>>5011121>>5011125Look the problem here is, what you want we can't have.We don't gave the manpower, the equipment, or the expertise to even begin a paratrooper unit. You're talking about commandos and SF? Where do you intend on getting them from? How are you going to train a bunch of people with 0 experience to be paras? Using a fucking crop duster?And what, do you envision doing HALO jumps out of a crop duster for secret squirrel missions with a handful of highly motivated militiamen?Look man, personally I love paratroopers and would love to use them, but we ain't got anything to facilitate the creation, much less the use, of paratroopers. Hell we simply cannot afford any splats or cripples from training right now. We should be proselytizing instead of playing at being mercs, for dubious rewards at that.Any case though, fuck you for that autism in the Enclave quest.
>>5011289Agreed. Had we say, three military cargo planes and the spare manpower to train enough Crusaders to fill them with 50-70 each the plan would hold some merit. We'd be able to drop a large enough contingent for them to operate effectively behind enemy lines without support from our main units. As it stands right now, we have neither of those things,We'd be better off prioritizing Mobile Warfare or Urban Combat training, as for the foreseeable future our combat scenarios will revolve around either hunting raiders on behalf of Maricopa out in the badlands or getting involved in the street fighting in Phoenix proper.
>>5011330>street fighting in Phoenix proper.Just saying, an actual killdozer or 3 might come in useful in such a situation
>>5011289We can agree to disagree, but applying military standards when we are a cult fighting in a civil war is just autism at it's finest. We need flexibility, not a rigid adherence to ground warfare.Also, what the fuck do you think that stolen WP is going to, drugs and hookers? (Well, maybe the drugs actually...) Any WP we get now will help us achieve our subversion faster, as it will pay for critical infrastructure that our faction can leverage for more influence. That's the main reason why I wanted to go on the side op in the first place, bad RNG not withstanding.And it was your Civ autism that killed Enclave Quest, not my rolls or my votes. Get over it.>>5011330Again, not planing on using it for strategic reasons. Developing the capability and the capacity for paradropping 50-60 people takes time, and I never imagined using paratroopers for strategic reasons right of the bat.In agreement about prioritizing Mobile Warfare or Urban Combat training for our main forces though.>>5011484As the man who memed killdozer in this quest into existence, we'd need a Machine Workshop to get the killdozer plan off the ground, which will require 300 or so WP. Considering that we only make around 70 a half week by ourselves, and the other shit we have to buy (Explosives Workshop, Pharmaceutical Upgrade, Seminary, Radio Tower, Housing/Farms, etc.) , your either waiting a long time for these upgrades, or we're doing mercenary work while find a buyer for our drugs.
>>5011289>>5011515>Enclave questThe fuck went down over there between you two.....You know what, don't tell me, don't want to know.Also I know we aren't doing paras anytime soon, but it doesn't hurt to plan ahead and have fun discussing.
>>5011515>We can agree to disagreeNo you're simply wrong, delusional even.Point of fact if we get any serious amount of WP from this I will advocate for the machine shop, it would play into our mobile warfare focus in any case.Civ autism? You're the retard that voted for retarded things don't try and shift blame.
>>5011601>between you two>twoLol
>>5011709The only delusional one here is you, lad.If we fall into the WP, I'm advocating for the Pharamacutical Upgrade to get a bonus to Maricopa relations and getting a recoup on the investment, then immediately building our Explosive Workshop at half price. After that, we can build the Machine Workshop, but I'd prefer it if we get our claws into Maricopa first and getting some mortar shell replacements going so we can actually train with the damn things without worrying about the ammo situation.And it was Civ autism that killed the quest. I ain't trying to shift blame here, Warden admitted it in /qtg/. I'm sorry if you didn't know, I was hoping for a continuation as well.
Lets focus on economical growth and sufficiency.
>>5011776this. we need fucking money, and people we can sell meth too. not some unstable prison warlord who depending on the day might fuck us over or some nazi nobody that showed up never to be seen again, but actual reliable clients with a secure supply line.hell, im even starting to consider the idea of building more factories as a liability, considering we have a limited number of men and a very low manpower which id rather have them be made soldiers than work at factories.
>>5011776We need to focus on converting and subverting, but I don't mind increasing our economic growth and sufficiency as well.>>5013670Just so you know, we can't turn our civilian population into our fighting force (for multiple reasons that QM has explained previously), so not having more factories is just retarded, especially considering most of the factory upgrades are related to our war fighting capabilities (such as Explosives, Machine, and Chemical workshops). Really, we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot by not upgrading our factory to improve our military might.
>>5013750We can do more outreach and conversion if we have the logistics for it, think of all the soup kitchens and shelters we can build and missionary work we could do with the extra WP.
>>5009569>>5009749>>5009845>>5009899>>5010923>>5011045OPTIONS SELECTED:>Loot the plaza for valuables [roll 2d100]>Let the tired and wounded rest and heal>Search plaza for mission objective [roll 1d100]You order the looting of the plaza area. Its various stores are not only a good source of loot, but also the likely location of whatever it is the mercenaries are looking for. You order a third of the forces to seize valuables, another third to focus on finding the objective, and you order a remaining third to use the time to recover. You want to keep everyone concentrated around the plaza and give some of your men a break before a counter-attack.>Loot Rolls: 39, 22The crusaders rush into the department store and begin to haul things out the various supplies stored within. The effort is done in a largely slapdash manner, with each individual mostly just grabbing whatever is immediate and loading it in the frenzy of the situation. At one point, the crusaders even drop a box of supplies and litter the area with canned food, none of which was significantly damaged but which did symbolize the less than optimal result. Still, a decent amount of material, some of it even being useful materiel such as boxes of ammunition, gets loaded onto the trucks.>Mediocre loot gain>Search Roll: 29As the looting progresses the other half follows the Boiz members in trying to locate the mission objective. You're not quite sure what it is, and it doesn't really matter to you since as the leader you're obviously not actively searching with them. The group splits up and starts to search through the most obvious places, such as the electronics store. You don't hear anything from them for a while, until near the end of the current period. You are told that the result of the search is worse than negative, it's inconclusive. They haven't found it, but can't conclude that it isn't here and thus can't focus your search in just the other location.>Turn wastedThe remainder stays back. A number of these are wounded to various degrees and there's an attempt to heal them. Since you left most of the medics back at the water treatment plant and given the general conditions of the battlefield, not too much can be done. You, certainly, can't do much to personally help them. Still, some of your worse off underlings get a chance to rest up and quaff painkillers.>Moderate reduction to fatigue/damage penaltyAs the dusk gives way to late dusk, you get in touch with the group watching for counter-attacks from afar...[1/2]
>>5014078[2/2]"What are you seeing, are they organizing an attack against us?">Response Roll: 21...>Result bumped up to ??: Guaranteed attack next round [Positive response rolls will be bumped down]"Definitely," the voice on the other end says. "They're too far out to shoot right now, even for us, but they're definitely preparing for something, probably down 43. We've been suppressing the guys who fled, but they're gathering a real force.""Details?""Kind of hard to tell. They're definitely motorized, I can see a bunch of headlights even without the optics gear," he says before a noticeable pause. "Is that- I think they might have some drones or some other trick up their sleeves from what I'm seeing. Could be nothing, again, kind of hard to tell. Hopefully nothing too bad."Knowing your luck, you may want to prepare for the worst.>Time: Late Dusk>Number of Actions: ThreeSelect actions from the following:>Position crusaders to fend off counter-attacks [Recommended to devote at least 1 action to this]>Search plaza for mission objective [roll 1d100]>Loot the plaza for valuables [roll 2d100]>Search storage facility for mission objective [roll 1d100]>Loot the storage facility for valuables [more varied loot] [roll 2d100]>Let the tired and wounded rest and heal again>Retreat with all of your forces/actions>[Write-In]And, taken as the first die roll:>Roll 1d100 for response [Result has a ceiling]Also, I've noticed what can be described as open/thinly-veiled metagaming, in that people are openly discussing changing their votes based on what they believe will be 'optimal' based on dice rolls instead of using basic thinking and reading comprehension to make good decisions to do better. I'm pretty sure I said earlier (probably multiple times) that allowing for simultaneous votes/rolls is to let things progress with the understanding it won't be abused. It's baffling to me, since I openly offered to consider adding mechanics or other means of smoothing out streaks and you guys refused to do this kind of shit. Putting it mildly, it's bad and insulting.One of the reasons this update took so long (despite being short) is because I considered explicitly penalizing you guys for that as well as removing that mechanic. I decided against it (this update, might do it later) pretty recently. Again, you guys will get a lot more benefit out of thinking about your decisions (many of which, over the course of this quest, have been downright baffling) over trying to game the rng.
Rolled 90 (1d100)>>5014080>Position crusaders to fend off counter-attacks [Recommended to devote at least 1 action to this] x2>Search plaza for mission objective [roll 1d100]I'm tempted to devote all our actions this turn to counter the enemy attack, but if I recall the breifing correctly this is where the Boiz are supposed to be pulling their weight and giving us that good covering fire. We're also supposed to pull out during the night phase which I assume is either next turn or two turns away, meaning that if the Lord is willing and lets us actually decisively win a fucking combat round this mission we'll probably have routed the enemy and bought ourselves another round of free looting before we bug out.We haven't actually found the [SEKRIT LEWTBAWKS] that the Boiz pulled us out here to get though, but I assume it's a stacking loot check where we'll eventually find it if we devote enough actions to it. Better to then get in that extra search for it this round to get closer to the threshold rather than having to scramble for it as we pull out.Send the most wounded to take the loot action, and have those preparing the defenses do so with gusto. If there's time to do some last-minute fortifications, like say pulling out fridges, freezer counters and vending machines from the nearby stores to act as cover let us do so. Prepare to pop Pervitin and make liberal use of tear gas and flashbangs (we did bring both of those, right?) on the approaching Commies, we have the upper hand in a long-to-medium range with our heavier caliber weaponry so anyone getting in close enough should be suppressed and focused down.
Rolled 56 (1d100)>>5014080>Position crusaders to fend off counter-attacks [Recommended to devote at least 1 action to this]>Search plaza for mission objective [roll 1d100]>Search storage facility for mission objective [roll 1d100]I'm sorry about that. This rng is getting to me, I'll try to do better.Faster we get the mission objective, easier we can bug out if it turns bad.
>>5014103Yes, you are correct that they are providing covering fire with high caliber sniper rifles aimed at areas they know will be likely routes for responses. That's their role in addition to giving advance warning on when and where counter attacks will be coming from, so hopefully that clears it up. Oh, and the "night phase" means any time after the sun's completely down and the city gets dark. It's not something that happens in a single moment. Hell, if you guys are brave enough, you could theoretically stay around indefinitely. It's an extremely good idea, nothing can go wrong!!!It's assumed that people have basic preservation instincts and will use their environment to better defend themselves, even if they aren't explicitly on a defense action. Not sure how good of an idea it is to take a vending machine and topple it so you can try to drag it into the middle of the road when there's already defenses there, but hey, details.I want a confirmation that you want everyone to take meth. In hindsight, I should have added it as a "free" action since having everyone be high on meth would change things a decent amount. I'll include it as an option in the future, even if it's not selected here.>>5014111I'm glad you understand. I have a lot of tolerance for what some may call "autistic spergery" because, well, this is 4chan and I expect a level of banter and shitflinging. Metagaming, a thing I have little patience for, is something I'd like to put behind
>>5014132>I want a confirmation that you want everyone to take meth. In hindsight, I should have added it as a "free" action since having everyone be high on meth would change things a decent amount.It really depends on how long of a high we can maintain, as I don't want to be crashing from meth during the retreat. That, and how ingesting meth will affect our non-combat rolls.Feel free to ignore the meta-gaming votes, as punishing everyone for a minority's actions is just German autism. If you want, I can simply remove myself from the equation for the duration of the mission.
>>5014080>>Position crusaders to fend off counter-attacks>>Search plaza for mission objective [roll 1d100]>>Search storage facility for mission objective [roll 1d100]If we have any success in searching for the objective wouldn't that improve future looting of valuables? Or really attempting looting over and over would give us a bonus?I didn't meta anything, but you're simply inviting man. Honestly my thoughts were a bo3 system but that wasn't on the table
Rolled 75 (1d100)>>5014174O ya
Rolled 41, 48 = 89 (2d100)>>5014080>>Position crusaders to fend off counter-attacks [Recommended to devote at least 1 action to this]>Search plaza for mission objective [roll 1d100]>Loot the plaza for valuables [roll 2d100]
>>5014080>Position crusaders to fend off counter-attacks [Recommended to devote at least 1 action to this]>Search plaza for mission objective [roll 1d100]>Loot the storage facility for valuables [more varied loot] [roll 2d100]I'm hoping we ended up grabbing the objective in the looting frenzie without realizing it.
>>5014413I'm assuming that would only happen under a crit, or at least an high roll, if you meant that we gained our mission objective though a general loot roll.
>>5014509No, Like it was hidden in the loot we took and we probably won't know till like 2 threads later, baring anyone looking and we eventually open up all the crates.
>>5014550I think it's safe to say that it wouldn't be among the general loot that will somehow make itself known two threads later. Besides, we don't even know what the fuck it is we're looking for beyond 'you'll know when you see it'.
>>5014103>>5014111>>5014174>>5014176>>5014348>>5014413OPTIONS SELECTED:>Position crusaders to fend off counter-attacks [Recommended to devote at least 1 action]>Search plaza for mission objective [roll 1d100]>Search storage facility for mission objective [roll 1d100]With the counter-attack imminent you decide to reserve a third of your forces to fend it off and continue looting with the others. It's somewhat greedy, but you figure that with your long ranged support, just a third should suffice.You and those among your personal guard join the other Crusaders at the defenses left for you by the former occupants. You arrive there in time to see a few crusaders pushing an immobilized car into a better defensive position. Soon after you're joined by another small group of crusaders who apparently tried to move a vending machine to position before finding out that many of them (especially in urban areas) are quite literally bolted to the ground."What do their forces look like?" you ask over the radio."I'm seeing a lot of headlights gathering up their forces at the university base. The night-vision doesn't see that far but, you know, it's not too bad actually. Keep your heads and it'll be fine."You're skeptical about that last comment given the losses taken earlier in the operation, but it's better than being told you're about to face certain death.For a small period of time your underlings 'dig-in' and prepare themselves. As the light fades and the city is on the verge of night, the enemy vehicles speed towards your defenses. Earlier you had the advantage of being the attackers up to now, but now you have to deal with being the defenders in this situation. Unbeknownst to your foes, you have the advantage of advance warning. Combined with your faction's zeal, it's your side that has the likely advantage in fighting spirit despite what should be a natural disadvantage for fighting on enemy ground in what will soon become darkness. The situation isn't perfect, as the previous losses have eroded their fighting capacity (even with you having allotted some time for your men to recuperate), but perfection is not the enemy of the good. >??? decent bonus from morale (aided by over-watch)>??? minor malus from previous combat (mitigated by previous selection)Your faction fires on the advancing enemy from afar. As they move around, using basic mobile tactics such as zig-zagging to avoid fire, you feel like the effect is mostly ineffective. At the least, however, you prevent them from doing much in response as they advance. There's gunfire in your direction, to be sure, but between heavy Crusader armor, the defenses, and their reduced effectiveness due to suppression, the damage is limited...[1/???]
>>5016374[2/???]>??? bonus from equipment and digging-inAs this happens you hear a car horn blaring unceasingly followed by a loud crash. You can practically hear one of the mercenaries shouting "headshot!" from here as, no doubt, one of the drivers in the counter-attack group got shot along the way, leading to a crash. The mercenaries do seem to be having some effect, especially as the rest of the group seems to momentarily slow down and cease in their fire and avoidance. Whether they have figured out there are hostile snipers present or not, this is certainly a boon to your forces.>Significant bonus from over-watch As you believe you have the upper hand, your forces notice a second force attacking. Those previously scattered by the Crusader advance have now, apparently, regrouped and found the necessary gumption to try retaking their former positions. This splits up the attention of your limited forces, reducing their effectiveness.>Noticeable malus from two-pronged attackBefore you can consider the rest of the factors involve, the opposing forces close the distance and the battle begins in earnest.>Comparing Crusader result to first wave...>Factoring unspecified factors...>Decent resultThe enemy wave crashes into your defenders. A number of firebombs burst in front of your positions and immediately cause chaos. Smoke fills the air even before your forces can launch their own tear gas with any effectiveness. One of their vehicles (seemingly void of persons) crashes into the defenses, blowing a section of them open. The POZ forces open with a salvo of gunfire in a concentrated attack in an obvious attempt to break the defenses open and shatter your forces' will to fight.>Processing Crusader morale check...>Very positive resultTheir strategy doesn't work. Instead of shattering, the crusaders fall back to defenses of other kinds, from stray vehicles littering the area to random fixtures of the city. The breakthrough results in a moment of vulnerability as they attempt to overpower the crusaders. The fighting is brutal, and your side isn't unscathed. Still, the attack is repulsed at a higher cost to them than to you. The main force of the counter-attack has to, after taking losses, fall back themselves and wait for reinforcements before making another attempt...
>>5016375[3/???]>Comparing Crusader result to second prong of the attack...>Factoring unspecified factors...>Good resultThe second prong of the attack, consisting of the remnants of the previous defenders, largely fails. You don't get a good look at what's going on for the obvious reason that most of your focus is on the main assault, as with most of the crusaders. You're not sure why this attack fizzles out, but if you had to guess, it would have to do with a lack of coordination. You notice a fire spreading among their ranks which, you believe, was caused by a botched firebombing. Whether it was from the assailant being shot before he could throw or even plain incompetence, it's spreading chaos among their ranks. >Processing morale check...>Insufficient resultThese attackers, discouraged by their apparent lack of success, begin the process of retreating. This secondary group, at least, you won't have to deal with anymore. The same can't be said for the main group, which have either driven to safer positions to launch another attack from or have grouped up behind defensible positions of some kind for those dismounted. >Defenses remain: continuing as usual...The current defenders, still under a less level of attack, remain tied up and unable to act as usual (i.e. loot.) Still, they have through their blood lost and willingness to kill, they have allowed the rest of the group to continue as usual.>Checking for success at searching...>Success! [Storage Site]"The Boiz say they found it," you hear from the crusader leading the search efforts at the storage site. "They found it right here, basically, said something about maybe it being shifted around or something, I don't know. Anyway, we got it."The information is relayed to those searching at the plaza, who use the remaining time to simply grab whatever loot they can. It's not as effective as a proper attempt at looting in theory due to lost time, but in practice they get a decent result. For some reason, perhaps by dumb luck or the sheer failure of the last bout of looting, this nominally half-hearted effort bears decent fruit compared to what it ought to.>Plaza search turns into mediocre loot gain"What can you see?" you ask the Boiz over radio. "Is there another attack?""Actually..."
>>5016376[4/4]>Response result...>As positive as possible"Actually, we're not seeing them devote any more forces. I guess they're focused on the real offensive, you know, not here. They'll have another attack soon, no doubt with their defense doctrine, but I think you'll get a breather here. You'll still want to clear those guys left over from that attack unless you'll settle for whatever crap you looted. Actually, I'm going to move over to get a better angle on them...">Enemy reinforcements delayed to at least the turn after (previous attack's remnants remain)So, as you linger in what will be the very last bits of light in the city, you have a stark choice before you. You can either take advantage of this relative calm to keep looting, or cut your losses here and thereby accept whatever gains you have earned up to now. Given losses up to now, it might anger some of those back in Mobile if you don't acquire enough to earn enough of a reward to satisfy them. Still, taking the base level of success and cutting losses might be the right decision anyway.>Time: Dying of the Light>Number of Actions: TwoSelect actions from the following:>Position crusaders to fend off counter-attacks [one action already dedicated]>Loot the plaza for valuables [roll 2d100]>Loot the storage facility for valuables [more varied loot] [roll 2d100]>Let the tired and wounded rest and heal>Retreat [uses all remaining actions]>[Write-In]And, taken as the first die roll:>Roll 1d100 for response [Result has a floor]>>5014174>I didn't meta anything, but you're simply inviting manI completely reject this line of thinking. I have said from the start that I'm relying on individuals to not act on dice rolls and have tried to make it clear that doing so is not in the 'benefit' of the players. The idea that having an honor system is "inviting" abuse of said system is absolutely braindead and does not merit a response. I have no problems with destroying the whole quest if players are sufficiently retarded, which I would say includes blatant attempts at metagaming. Anyone who has played up to now or read through archives (or has any sense) should be aware of this. I'm obviously not saying you in particular are/will/were metagaming (your post ID is new and I'm way, way too drunk to try divining poster identities) but it's a point I think should be clear in any case.
Rolled 8 (1d100)>>5016379>Loot the storage facility for valuables [more varied loot] [roll 2d100] (2 Actions)I say we stick around for one more round to loot and then get outta Dodge.
>>5016387You know what, I'll just stop rolling this mission. RNGesus seems to have a hateboner whenever I roll.>>5016379Can you explain what the [Floor] or [Ceiling] means in the context of the enemy response? I remember you explained this previous, but I don't know how to interpret this beyond the usual low-bad/high-good dice system we've used previously.
>>5016379>Loot the storage facility for valuables [more varied loot] [roll 2d100]>>5016379dice rolls and the action after are intertwined no?Even ignoring the dice roll, the result in the story is we performed really badly, its mainly the dice that get all the blame and attention.
>>5016460I think he meant that the actions we take should be the best ones to take in the situation regardless of the roll.As it relates to our actions, while we can make some questionable (and downright retarded) decisions that then get punished according, the main determining factor for success/failure remain the dice we roll. It isn't so much that we've preformed badly, more so that Murphy's Law decided to make our mission hell from almost the start of it. I'm not saying that we haven't made poor decisions (especially with the cardinal leadership this mission), but even the QM recognized that the RNG kept fucking us this mission, not necessarily our decisions (mainly).
Rolled 93 (1d100)>>5016379>>Loot the plaza for valuables [roll 2d100]>>Loot the storage facility for valuables [more varied loot] [roll 2d100]Just saying man, anons are retarded half the time all the time
Rolled 69 (1d100)>>5016379>>Loot the plaza for valuables [roll 2d100]>>Loot the storage facility for valuables [more varied loot] [roll 2d100]Then we go
Rolled 15, 78 = 93 (2d100)>>5016379>Loot the storage facility for valuables [more varied loot] [roll 2d100]>Let the tired and wounded rest and healLet's not overwork the men I say. Have some heal up just in case things heat up again sooner than later, and having refreshed men also means that going back would be easier as well.
>>5016387>>5016460>>5016562>>5016565>>5016642OPTIONS SELECTED:>Position crusaders to fend off counter-attacks [Locked Action]>Loot the storage facility for valuables [more varied loot] [roll 2d100]>Loot the plaza for valuables [roll 2d100]With word that there are no reinforcements en-route you decide that instead of sending in anyone else to finish off the counter-attack, you'll try to collect as much loot as possible. It's definitely a gamble, as if those currently locked in combat (which technically includes yourself) get overwhelmed then the enemy could roll your scattered group up. as the last bits of light die out before your eyes. Still, given the losses incurred already, you feel like you need to squeeze as much as possible out of this, if only to quell concerns over your leadership. You order both the people present in both the plaza and the storage site to loot where they are. From your position behind the defenses you see lights turning on and people moving the trucks in better position to haphazardly toss things into the beds. You see them get to work and then turn your attention to the continuing fight. You are not very useful in a firefight and have to settle for doing your best to stay back and take potshots when you can. As Mueller would say, "no sweat, no sweat; just doing my ten percent."With reduced visibility, you can't get a good idea of what is going on. The enemy, apparently seeing their vehicle mounted comrades fall one by one, have dismounted and are striking from the dark. Many of the usual advantages defenders enjoy are negated or outright reversed. As the bulk of your force continues to loot, those here bear the difficult task of holding back the attack...[1/???]
>>5018230[2/???]>Processing enemy combat check...>Result: Good ResultThe attackers start off the combat by continuing to shoot at your positions. You're not sure how, but they seem to be coordinating, focusing their fire intensely on one area. Perhaps they think that just picking off individuals will lower your numbers enough to severely hamper your fighting capacity. They wouldn't be wrong to think this. The crusader they focus on is forced to slink out of his position behind a concrete road barrier. Your attention is diverted before you can see his fate."Shit, shit!" you hear a nearby crusader, one of your personal guard, shout before firing off somewhere. You look to where it is and see a lit up area. They're clearly looking to smoke you out with what you can only assume are yet more firebombs. If your men can't hold back this attack, then the worst case scenario, a break-through, roll-up, and annihilation could manifest...>Processing crusader combat check...Your men shoot at the position they know the attack will come from. The attackers are positioned behind a knee high barrier of some kind, perhaps with vegetation on top, although you can't make any such details out. Penetrating it is unlikely at best, but even so suppressing them is vital. Perhaps you'll even score a lucky hit, although you would settle for just holding out for longer. You knew this was a risky move, and you fear for a moment your fears may be realized. Suddenly, it all turns to red...
>>5018232[3/???]>Result: Excellent pic related btw, you guys actually got good rolls when I decided to deny you guys rolling..."AH, FUCK, FUCK FUCK!" you hear from the other side. The distinct smell of burning flesh, one you have become acquainted with today, fills the air. You're unsure of how this has happened until the answer comes to you unsolicited."Opa! I think that was a 'boom, headshot!' kinda moment!" What the voice on the other end of the radio is saying is Greek to you, but you're glad for it nonetheless.It was just one kill, but it marked a turning point. You're not sure of all of the factors going into this conflict, but you have a feeling a major one was a sort of predator-prey dynamic where your forces were out of position and to be hunted down. This seems to have flipped, and with it the course of this skirmish.Even though it's normally a terrible move, a number of your men (which given the small numbers, means something like half of them) hop over their defenses and begin advancing in the dark. Shooting wildly with zeal and abandon, they force their tired bodies forward and advance. You are sure there's cold steel involved, but you can't see it left behind in the dark.Before you can hear the distinctive, blood curdling scream of a man being gutted by means of bayonet, you hear the panicked cries of a rout. It's not immediate, but in the horrible night the terror sets in quickly and sends them fleeing.The enemy has been beaten back.It wasn't without cost, however. The enemy put up a good fight, and they have wounded those among your ranks, some notably worse than others. As the defenders here regroup, you turn your attention to the looters.>Storage Looting: Great loot gain>Plaza Looting: Good loot gainYou see a good amount of materials being loaded. In particular, you notice the group who was sent to the storage site return with a large haul of loot that's conspicuously covered in warning signs and symbols you can't quite make out. Before you can inquire for details you're interrupted."Hey, we've been keeping an eye on 43, and we've noticed something..."
>>5018233[4/4]>Response result...>As negative as possible [very negative result bumped up to floor value]"They seem to have a bunch of guys heading towards your position. A lot, actually.""More than this recent wave?""Definitely. It's, uh, consistent with their doctrine of escalating defensive response," he says. "If you guys took the objective and have gotten yourselves a piece, this might be a good time to pull out."While the voice on the other end may be right that heading back may be the conventionally smart choice, you still have the freedom to press your luck further. Perhaps this next attack will not be so bad and it is all an exaggeration. While your forces have been generally facing heavy losses this entire time, the last encounter was a success, which perhaps means the next one will be too. The more you can seize, the more your faction will benefit, and the more glory you will garner. This may be the tide in the affairs of men the old poet spoke of which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune (although that particular story may have had a tragic end.)>Time: Dark of the Night>Number of Actions: ThreeSelect actions from the following:>Position crusaders to fend off counter-attacks>Loot the plaza for valuables [roll 2d100]>Loot the storage facility for valuables [more varied loot] [roll 2d100]>Let the tired and wounded rest and heal>Retreat [uses all remaining/available actions]>[Write-In]>>5016394It refers to maximum and minimum values imposed, such that results are constrained from a particular dimension. As said before, things worse than a particular outcome get bumped up to that particular outcome, or the opposite if appropriate. If you look at the graph attached, think of the vertical axis as being the result and the horizontal axis as being the roll. The numbers in themselves are arbitrary (I could have chosen 58 and 11 instead of 100 and 40, or whatever) but the idea of results past a certain point not having any marginal effect is what's important. If you happen to be familiar with finance and stock options, you can kind of think of a floor as acting like a long call to rolls (and ceilings as acting as short puts). If none of the above still makes sense, who cares! Just sling dice and hope fortune favors you that day!
>>5018234>Retreat [uses all remaining/available actions]Time to beat feet, people! Any way we can set a booby trap here as well as retreating?
>>5018234>Retreat, leave our attakers with a surprise[uses all remaining/available actions]As much as I'd love to loot more, we took enough losses today and I frankly want this mission to be over with. Can we rig this bitch to explode when the enemy gets here, or would it be better to just set everything ablaze?Also, thanks for explaining the Floor/Ceiling thing mate.
>>5018234>Retreat [uses all remaining/available actions]Let's just leave. There's no need to gamble further.
>>5018234>Retreat [uses all remaining/available actions]Nope. Nothing left behind is worth the bribe your dangling!
>>5018234>Retreat [uses all remaining/available actions]We've pushed long enough.
>>5018234>>Retreat [uses all remaining/available actions]
>>5018234>Retreat [uses all remaining/available actions]time to leave. this mission almost became a battle of the Teutoburg Forest.
>>5018235>>5018268>>5018274>>5018387>>5018605>>5018641>>5018792OPTION SELECTED:>Retreat [uses all remaining/available actions]Actually, you won't gamble the fate of the crusaders here (and yourself) on what may end up being mere trinkets and baubles. You command everyone to finish whatever he's doing and get ready to leave immediately. There are some grumblings, with some being confident against the odds or unsatisfied with the current loot. Most readily go along with the command, especially given the promise of another wave of enemies about to arrive soon.You stay with those on defensive duty and help coordinate the retreat over radio while helping to keep an eye out for trouble (although given the darkness, it's a token effort.) In short time most of the group is gathered up and ready to go. You and the rest of the defenders are the last ones to get seated. In the distance you can make out the headlights of the next wave of attackers, or at least what you believe to be said headlights.All of the vehicles, yours included, turn off all lights. From headlights and tail-lights to dashboard lights, everything is turned off. You can barely make out that there is even vehicle in front of you. The drivers in front are equipped with night-vision that allows them to make out the road ahead. You, presumably, trace the same path back, which involves going behind a parking lot along a narrow maintenance road into the canal. The path is treacherous, and you are sure that your foes would have trouble pursuing you even if they knew where you were, which they evidently don't. As you all travel, now well and truly in the canal, you can take a moment to reflect.This mission has been, strictly speaking, successful. Whether it's a pyrrhic one or not is not up to you to decide. In total, you're not sure how many earned the 'black tags of death' the medics give to the deceased and forlorn, but you'd be surprised if it was below half a platoon's worth. As for those wounded to a lesser degree, it's likely a similar number. The decision to bring along medical personnel likely means a decent number of the latter would be saved. Not all, of course, as nearly all of those medics are inexperienced and of lesser quality with much less time to prepare them than would be befitting any real military. Such is the reality of civil war, you suppose.[1/3]
>>5020433[2/3]You reach the water treatment plant where the rest of the force, Boiz and Crusader both, link up. You are told by your men, most of whom are medics since the others are in poor condition, that they felt uncomfortable as they were kept on watch by the Boiz. Apparently they assumed your faction would be "impetuous" (i.e. incredibly brainless) enough to try and sabotage the place behind their backs. In any case, there was no incident and it seems like lives were saved at the cost of you being able to do less at the site of the objective. Whether or not it was worth being able to pick up less loot is, again, not up to you to decide.The united group moves forward slowly, especially around the bends that were previously home to defenders. It turns out that the pierced defenses have not been retaken, which is not surprising given that there's a major offensive reportedly going on elsewhere and that most of the response would be aimed at the place filled with supplies. You don't see any yourself, but you are told that there were people keeping an eye out and looking for you all. It's not like you can confirm this with the naked eye.You and the rest of the force remaining get back without incident. The (few) guards at the sports complex seem surprised to see your forces coming out from the canal, but they do nothing."We'll handle things from here," you're told. "We have to get, you know, 'the thing' to our patron and secure the payment and a bunch of other stuff. We'll leave you guys to deal with your own on the meantime instead of forcing you guys to stick around, or anything."And with that, you are lead back to Goodyear by a lone couple of members of theirs and head towards Mobile. The mission wasn't quite what you were expecting, although in hindsight it was essentially what was described. It wasn't as successful as hoped, although such is the nature of war. Things could have gone worse, and any fighting in the dense urban center of Phoenix is never going to be cheap in its cost in blood. This is at least the case you'll make if/when people begin to question your leadership.>END OF YURI POV
>>5020434[3/3]While the side-op in Phoenix progresses there is the matter of growing your presence in Maricopa in the form of "soup kitchens" that will be set up in Stanfield. While the idea of providing food to people in Stanfield (the breadbasket of the agricultural center that is Maricopa) is nonsensical on its face, it won't really be about handing out soup. The area, like many areas in rural America, is home to various freaks and junkies who are good potential recruits. Meth continues to pile up at Mobile (even with the Warden having taken an absolutely massive stockpile of the stuff) and this is the faction's closest thing to an earnest effort at finding a place to offload the stuff.Given the many duties you must attend to at Mobile, you send someone to manage the effort, namely:>Cardinal Musella>Cardinal Mueller [Unavailable]>Cardinal Trkulja>Cardinal Yuri [Unavailable]>One of your lower level leaders [e.x. Mahoney]>[Write-In]And so it is finished. A bloody, gunfight filled incursion that may have caused serious death or injuries from stress induced heart-attacks. If Fortuna does not favor you on the battlefield, then she will make you pay whatever price she deems fit. Such has been the case since time immemorial, and such is the case now. Although any kind of fighting in Phoenix will, almost without fail, be a bloody affair for everyone involved. At least this time you guys were facing light opposition with many advantages on your side! From here, it should be more light hearted meth-head antics, although who really knows.Btw, I forgot to put in the text that asked for a response roll, but it quickly became clear that you guys weren't going to stick around long enough to figure out what it would have been. I did, incidentally, roll a d100 on my end, which I would have used in case of a mass change in votes mid-way through writing the update or something. The result was hilariously bad and would have resulted in you guys maybe, potentially, perhaps-inevitably getting wiped. >>5018235>>5018259>rig this bitch to explodeWith what? You guys didn't exactly have loads of dynamite with you. Understand that blowing up the entire plaza and storage site would require a significant amount of explosives. It's not the kind of thing you can even magically wipe out with a single mortar shell blast (although you guys didn't bring any of those, so it's irrelevant anyway.) As I made explicit, if you guys wanted to find out if you could find some creative way of jury-rigging it to blow up (maybe getting downgraded to just shitty traps), you would need to devote an action to see if it's possible via [Write-In], which might have opened up some way to do it. As it stands, blowing up the better part of a city block was (thankfully) not part of the mission and not expected, so it's not a big deal.>>5018641Yuri, give me back my platoons!!!
>>5020436>One of your lower level leaders [Mahoney]>Have Musella on standbyFrankly, losing a platoon worth of manpower, most of which is unrecoverable, unacceptable, considering it represents an over 50% casualty rate with the majority of our veteran forces. Given that I'm betting that the loot was substantially underwhelming given the description of it, I'm gonna call this a tactical phyrric victory, and a strategic failure on the verge of becoming a disaster. I officially award this battle the Decisive Tang Victory Award, with a free buffet.Would the Boiz mind telling us what was in the golden briefcase? I would love to know what we sacrificed half our manpower for.
>>5020436>>Cardinal MusellaI still think that we should go about selling meth in a better way. We should set up health clinics and pharmacies instead of weaseling around with some soup kitchen scheme. We set up a medical mission call it the Mother Teresa Mission or something we have doctors write ADD medication prescriptions and no one bats an eye.
>>5020484It sounds like you want McCoy then, as he did run his own clinic before the bombing.
>>5020475Ehh, I don't think it was quite a whole platoon's worth of dead, from what QM said. Still, not arguing that it wasn't a shitty time. >Cardinal Musella
>>5020436>Cardinal TrkuljaLogistics and organizational skills put to use, also lets give him something nice and helpful to do to help him unwind.>rig this bitch to explodeI thought alot of what we looted or were looking through had a bunch of weapons and explosives in the boxes, no?
>>5020504Casualties means unavailable for duty, whether they be dead, missing, or wounded. We just lost a platoon in strength lad, and more than half ain’t coming back.>>5020530I would’ve settled for pouring some gas and started a fire over just leaving it for the enemy to retake, but I’m just gonna assume that it wasn’t in the cards and leave it at that.
>>5020475keep in mind, that we've been recruiting a lot of people since we migrated. They might take a few months to be fully trained, but I expect to expand our army up to 2 more platoons soon.by the way, how much loot did we get here exactly?>One of your lower level leaders [e.x. Mahoney]>inb4 "muh logistics"Let's just have a fun lighthearted POV for once. besides we've had dozens of Mueller & Trkulja POVs already
>>5020484also not a bad idea (+1)
>>5020436>>One of your lower level leaders [e.x. Mahoney]He's actually a perfect choice for building a soup kitchen in a breadbasket, what with his bonuses.Why are we even building one in Stanfield tho? I remember voting for building one in Maricopa, but whatever. Call it a test run before we expand into Maricopa I guess. Though, adding a "clinical" element to the soup kitchens wouldn't be a bad idea.
>>5020539That would work well enough too.Also those boyz are metagaming faggots worse than us.
Currently Mahoney seems to be in the lead, since I'm interpreting votes for lower level leaders to be for him unless someone else gets explicitly named.Btw, as mentioned in the update, there will be a scene later dealing with payment, specifics on losses, in character stuff, and that sort of thing.>>5020539>I would’ve settled for pouring some gas and started a fire over just leaving it for the enemy to retakeSure, that's a more reasonable than expecting to blow the thing up. There were ammo boxes and even some minor explosives, but it wasn't exactly a bomb factory. Settling for burning the place would have been very much possible. It would have likely gone something like: [1 action to figure out a plan to do it and siphon extra gas from the trucks (you guys having full tanks despite needing little gas was a detail I remember being explicit about)] -> [1 action to douse the plaza] & [1 action to douse the storage site] -> [bonus scene] -> [don't roll like shit and cause some terrible accident].Of course, this raises the question of why exactly you'd want to do it. It would take a significant amount of time (i.e. actions,) would have the potential to go badly if something unexpected happens (your enemies that mission did like their firebombs,) and wouldn't actually benefit you guys in any real way.>>5020504This is correct. The estimates from right after by the medics are about half are wounded to where they're dead or hopeless, and the rest are varying degrees of hurt ranging from Mueller levels to "eh, seen worse, take it easy for a few days and walk it off." Having medics, even if they're really new and are figuring things out by thrown into the thick of it, does make a difference. You guys did still take notable losses though. Real fighting in Phoenix that isn't just picking people off from afar (i.e. what your support were doing) is meant to be very dangerous.>>5020667So, Stanfield is part of Maricopa the same way Goodyear is part of Phoenix. Their significant agricultural production counts as Maricopa's, Preis has de facto rule over the area, there's no hard border/travel restrictions, and the M.M.P. is nominally in charge of keeping order there (hence why you guys had a mission there way back.) While Stanfield's a small part of Maricopa in terms of population and has some de jure basis for considering itself distinct, they're still a part of it.As a refresher, during an attempt at persuading the local marginal Catholic priest to declare you the true Pope, your guards noticed the area has a lot of vagrants/junkies there and decided to try pushing some product on their own. The general consensus was, unless I'm either misinterpreting something or radically misremembering things, to set up "soup kitchens" to lure in these types and send them to Mobile to get their meth and become full on cultists. If you guys have any questions are getting cold feet about details or setting it up at Stanfield, now's the time to voice them.
>>5021918>Of course, this raises the question of why exactly you'd want to do it.Spite. This mission was a clusterfuck, so I just wanted to ruin their day even more. Plus, sabotaging enemy supplies that they need to keep advancing on the PRC would've been neat. Whether it would've been a smart or stupid play, you'd have to tell us directly, as we ain't on the ground there and we don't have an ear for subtlety. I'd rather us not make decisions based upon a miscommunication or misconception between the QM and other players.Anyways, a 'Soup-kitchen' in Stanfield was what we decided upon originally. I don't like the idea of selling meth in Maricopa on any large scale, as that'll only ruin relationships with our Patron.
>>5021918I have cold feet on this. i really think that we shouldn't go sneaking around like this, honestly its below us. We should conduct ourselves in a respectable way, like the Crusaders that we are. By having doctors sell people our medication we still make money and don't need to sneak around. I think that my proposed ideas of health clinics a far more sustainable business plan then alternative. Additionally health clinics would provide us with far superior networking opportunities, opportunities not likely found if we make soup kitchens.they dont even need soup kitchens. the whole plan is greasy. its gunna make us look super bad when it inevitably come to light.
>>5021964If you really have cold feet on this, then I suggest you switch your vote to McCoy instead of Musella, considering McCoy is a legitimate doctor and had previous experience running health clinics. Otherwise, the Musella and Mahoney choices make more sense running a soup kitchen than a health clinic.
I went back and found the original doctor post, in case anons are interested in the health clinic idea.>The Messenger didn't come to Leonard McCoy, McCoy came to the Messenger. Raised in a religious household, McCoy became a Navy doctor, then joined Doctors Without Borders, eventually running one of their clinics. There he met a young nurse, and the rest was history. After they married, they moved back to her hometown, Maricopa, where McCoy opened up a personal practice. After the US went to shit, his wife decided she'd want to help as best she can, and returned to her profession by joining a local hospital. This turned out to be a fatal choice when she was caught up it the blast of the hospital bombing. McCoy, helping with the triage, witnessed it all, and she died in his arms. He fell apart after, then picked himself up and doggedly convinced the Messenger to join the Crusaders in their mission. He holds no illusions about what he's getting himself into, but being an old bleeding heart, he longs to be in the thick of it, saving lives and doing his part, even if some may think he has a death wish. Plus, it's not every day that one gets to join a crusade...
>>5021918Can we make DMT or other stuff like grow shroms and feed them MushShroom soup? After they are safe in our compound ofc.
>>5021918>If you guys have any questions are getting cold feet about details or setting it up at Stanfield, now's the time to voice them.Well I was the anon that brought up the soup kitchen idea, and I literally meant a soup kitchen for goodwill among the poor and destitute. All good cults, militias, and even some criminals do this sort of thing. Other anons twisted it into a front for drugs but whatever.I just don't understand why stanfield was voted on.
>>5022087I think the drugs can be done at a later stage, or done separately to the soup kitchen.-Soup Kitchen-Drugs-Soup kitchen for dedicated junkie members + Drugs.
>>5022088Could be best to keep it separate
>>5022090I don't think anyone would be opposed to that.
>>5022086That requires Hallucinogenic Manufacturing, which costs 150 WP. I think we should focus on getting the Advanced Pharmaceutical Upgrade first, then using our recouped WP to get our Explosives Workshop immediately after.>>5022087Actually, I was worried that selling drugs would cause diplomatic problems with Maricopa, and still am frankly. I'd hope that the QM would tell us if the Messenger believes we can't do it under the radar, because then I wouldn't be for it.>>5022092Actually, this would cut into our WP gain, and considering we need WP to rapidly expand, it wouldn't be wise to cut out what would be paying for the soup kitchen, which would be the meth that's burning a hole in our pocket. Also, considering that a soup kitchen wouldn't draw addicts (which would be our main source of recruits), our recruiting efforts won't be nearly as effective as we would be dealing meth to them.Frankly, the soup kitchen dealing meth under the table solves two of our major problems with one action.
id say id be best friends to replace the soup idea to a health clinic. We prescribe the junkies with pills that instead of having adderall they have meth (pretty similar desu) and that makes it more likely that we keep this behind close doors while still making a lot of W.P
>>5022207****i say id be best (dunno why i wrote friends)>>5022092our main concern is starting to make W.P which is why we built the meth lab in the first place.
I'll reiterate my point from the last thread, selling Meth under the guise of a Soup Kitchen is the absolutely most efficient way to destroy everything we've been working towards as a faction if we're discovered. If it comes to light that we're abusing the poor and downtrodden by getting them addicted to Meth while posing as a charity, all goodwill between us and the citizens of Maricopa goes out the window. The Christian Communities we're trying to sway to our side will shun us, Maricopa will cut their support for our faction and ban us from entry and the Indian Reservation that we managed some serious bullshit in to get it away from the Commies will throw us out posthaste.It's literally strangling our faction to death in the craddle as we'd risk destroying our only potential expansion route as a Faction, which is absorbing Maricopa and it's militarized Police Force and population, for a few dollars more. If that happens we either have to uproot our community completely and travel east to find greener pastures, hire ourselves out as Mercs to the PCR or become raiders to survive. All options that I'd rather not be forced to take because anons are too retarded to realize you shouldn't fling meth around indiscriminately just because you can.
>>5022215Agreed.We should sell meth to the warden, degenerates up in the POZ, and so on.
>>5021918QM, is >>5022215 point valid, or a gross misrepresentation of what might happen if we did sell meth as a soup kitchen? I'm not on the ground, so I obviously don't know if it's a poor idea on it's face or if anons are just getting cold feet from how much of a clusterfuck our recent actions have been, so I'd like clear up any misconceptions before we move on from here.
>>5022215>>5022242I'd like the use the meth to lure the junkies to our "healing spa" and convert them, not really for profit. Maybe we can set up a location for them to buy meth outside of town, and offer free meth if they relocate to somepalce we control, we can even propose it to the city council, we'll solve your homeless and junkie problem for a small totally reasonable price.
>>5021987acknowledged, thank you. i switch my vote to McCoy>>5022088the thing is they dont need soup kitchens, as has been stated multiple times by QM.>>5022215100% Agree. the soup plan makes very little sense from a roleplaying or strategic perspective. >>5021918please stop me if this is meta gaming, genuinely not trying to.
>>5022670Soup plan makes sense in Maricopa
>>5020436Well, with >>5022670 switching his vote to McCoy, I'll switch my vote (>>5020475) to McCoy as well, just to nail him down as a character. We need a doctor, and it seems anons are getting cold feet with soup kitchen/meth dealing idea (which is a decent idea if we keep the dealings to the vagrants and addicts).Reading back on the original discussion, it seemed it was scattered optionally, with some anons wanting soup kitchens and others wanting to deal meth. The QM decided to combine all the ideas into a hybrid option, which was then locked in.>Based on the current votes and discussion, it seems like you guys want to deal meth, but probably maybe not flood the place as to piss off your boss. Also, you guys kind of want to bring a bunch of vagrant meth enthusiasts with you to Mobile, but mostly run a soup kitchen for them. It's a bit scattered (probably a good thing.)>If I were to call it here, I'd combine it into>Inform them of your new plan to create a Christian charity group for the region, which will pay for itself by actually being a front for meth dealing [Lock in Diplomatic Action: Meth-Front Charity Envoy]Since the action locked in was a Charity Envoy, I see no reason not to set up a health clinic and a soup kitchen at the same time, one to receive 'donations' in exchange for 'medication', and the other to be a legitimate soup kitchen to help the poor. There need not be cold feet about the overall Charity Envoy aspect of this action, or fear overwhelming Maricopa with enough meth to piss off the boss.
>>5020436>>5022829Oh, I almost forgot>McCoyJust to make my vote switch official.
Can't we have a soup kitchen without the drugs?
>>5022865Yes, but I want to make WP this trip, so the health clinic is coming too.
Alright, so here's how I'll do it. The fact that you guys are going out here to set up a soup kitchen is set in stone. It was even discussed, approved, and funded as part of the 'bonus situation' with Preis. In the next update, I'll add an option at the end vote to, if selected, on the spot scrap the entire venture and instead scope out for a place to try and set up some kind of medical facility to use as some kind of outlet to sell meth.By the way, during this time votes changed and there's now a tie in the actual vote. Since it's a POV I can't combine or do creative things to work around it (I mean, actually, what if Mahoney took a absolute ton of psychedelics and- nvm) I cannot continue until a single result emerges (or maybe until I get bored of waiting and arbitrarily pick a single option)>>5022267>is [his] point valid, or a gross misrepresentation of what might happen if we did sell meth as a soup kitchen?Are you asking for me to just flat out tell you what would happen if you guys did a particular action before you voted/opted for the choice? Or are you asking, say, what would be the advice you would get in-character if you floated the idea to, for instance, the ever-honest Musella? Or something else... I certainly hope it's not the former...>>5022670Of course not. You're bringing up what you see as grounded concerns based on in-character reasoning instead of something only you, the real life human being (or sentient AI, not judging) would know like rng outcomes on the Internet. A person could be incorrect, misinterpreting something, being an asshole, whatever, but not doing anything wrong. It is fully expected that you guys do things that are in-character, including trying to accomplish your goals effectively.>>5022086>Can we make DMT"Hey man, I know you're here to score some speed, but have you ever tried DMT?" I can 100% see Mahoney trying to get people to meet his interdimensional clockwork elf bros. If you guys had the upgrade for it, I'd allow it just for the 'shits and giggles' factor alone. Wouldn't be the stupidest thing I've let you guys do, hell, maybe even the interdimensional intelligences can put in a good word to rngesus
>>5022912What about some of the lighter stuff like shrooms?Cream of Mushshroom soup!
>>5022912>Or are you asking, say, what would be the advice you would get in-character if you floated the idea to, for instance, the ever-honest That, please. We clearly need a second IC opinion
>>5022931Sure thing. I'll present info on this topic in character with the update, the next one that will have the aforementioned vote. It will probably be the usual sort of one character bringing up an idea and people discussing/arguing it
>>5020436>McCoyFuck it, we clearly need a medic.
>>5021987>>5022004>One of your lower level leaders [e.x. Mahoney]>[Write-In]McCoy.We're gonna get a doctor goddamit!
Hey guys, just posting real quick to say that I'm not dead, the update is partially done and will be coming soon. Just life stuff (i.e. spending much of time drinking with other people sort of thing). Of course you guys can still change votes or whatever else, did it once so w/e
>>5022670>>5022829>>5023824>>5023896POV SELECTED:>Leonard Horatio McCoyYou're Leonard McCoy, and you fashion yourself as one of the last frontier doctors. Born and raised Catholic (one of the few in rural Georgia), you were instilled with a strong sense of right and wrong balanced with enough Irish blood to make you headstrong and confident. After getting your medical license, you joined an international medical humanitarian organization. You toured various hellholes and did your best to make everyone regardless of his situation better off. It was hard work, as the reality of working in places like Kisangani meant you didn't have much to work with. It was still worth it. You don't regret a moment spent in Orientale.>Frontier Doctor: Bonus in medical treatment and organizing medical relief efforts, even in poor conditionsAfter some years touring the world, you felt you had to return home and start a family, as God intended, despite your desire to be on the frontier. You settled for moving out to Arizona and starting a private practice. It had the frontier spirit to it, and more importantly there weren't any of the damn bugs that were everywhere in Georgia. You found a nice place in Maricopa Arizona (which confusingly is not in the eponymous county) and a nice gal. More than one, actually, but you eventually settled for one.Everything seemed to be on the up and up until, for seemingly no reason, the world seemed to break apart in 2020. From Plague to War to God-knows what else, it was like something out of a Bible prophecy. All of the institutions you thought you could trust, from your profession to the Cathedral you followed, seemed to either be totally unequipped or outright collapsed. Worst of all, your wife was away when things started going south. Between the lockdowns, shutdowns, and communication restrictions you haven't so much as heard from her for months. The worst part is that nobody wants to do a damn thing about it. The mayor, that yellow-bellied coward, says Maricopa isn't in a position to do anything other than hunkering down, and the comfortable middle-class townsfolk (bless their hearts) can't muster up the necessary intestinal fortitude to do it themselves. If a damned bomb going off at the hospital can't wake these people up, nothing will. If you have to join some crazy crusader faction from out west, then by God that's what you're going to do.>Impetuous: You prefer your gut over cold logic and aren't afraid to act quickly and decisively based on emotions. [1/???]
>>5027434[2/???]Currently, you're driving through Maricopa. For reasons totally unknown, you have been put in charge of an attempt at setting up a charity in Maricopa (specifically in Stanfield). You're really not sure why exactly you were chosen, since on the face of it a more senior member of the clerical hierarchy would make a lot more sense. Additionally, this is happening during some kind of dangerous venture into Phoenix involving the entirety of the faction's 'medics.' You use the term loosely, since as a person with actual experience working in combat zones in Africa in somewhat similar conditions (hell, the only person with a real medical license), you know they're woefully unprepared. Since you are assigned to this task, you have no way of affecting the situation in the event that things do - God forbid - go badly. You know from experience that having a senior figure who can keep his cool and lead things can make all the difference and save lives.You're sure things are going just fine whatever they're up to in Phoenix.The Messenger has apparently gotten the mayor to cover any expenses and fast-track the process. It probably costs next to nothing since there's not much overhead here, maybe just quickly tidying some old building nobody's using and a negligible portion of Maricopa's food output. It's still a nice gesture, though. The main thing your faction is bringing, other than labor, is crystal meth. You've come to learn that a lot of the faction is either comprised of speedfreaks or are fanatical enough (in a good way, you think) to take meth and rush into machine-gun fire with knifes attached to their guns like they're fighting the Germans. You were given total freedom in how you want to actually run the charity, which is in a way flattering given how new you are to the faction. For all they would know, you could be some kind of federal infiltrator or spy, but surely the Messenger has been granted excellent discernment by Christ...
>>5027438[3/???]>Event influenced by player write-insYou get an idea as you're driven to Stanfield. What if instead of operating the charity like you were told, you totally scrap the idea and instead start up a crusader run clinic? Instead of giving medical services, you would mostly just service meth-heads and try go get normal people hooked on meth under the guise of psychiatric medicine. This could be more discreet and may, somehow, win more resources for the faction. It would totally throw away the original plan and cause complications, but there's a chance it might work!Still, there's something off with this. You want a second opinion. The second-in-command here is the local 'investigative journalist,' one Nick Mahoney, a man you vaguely remember for getting into trouble trying to sneak into restricted territory and loudly advocating for the existence of aliens. You've seen crazier."Look Jim, all I'm telling you is that the evidence for them being lizards is absolute! Rock solid, indubitable, a-""Pipe down, will you Mahoney. Hey," you call out to the driver, "Let's take a stop around here, I need a smoke."You all pull up by the side of the road. You beckon Mahoney to join you in smoking away from the others and he comes over. "Want a smoke?" you ask him with an open pack of cigarettes."Don't mind if I do," he says as he takes one. He lights it, and soon you light yours."Hey, if this is about the Royals, I know I might have been a bit loud, but look, I'm just saying, lizards have al-""Nick, this isn't about the Queen of Scotland or whatever. I have an idea, and I want your thoughts.""Sure?" "The Messenger said I could run the thing however I saw fit, right? How to sell the stuff, whether to bring people to Mobile, hell, whether to just throw away the product and just run a regular charity." He nods. "So, here's my idea: what if we completely get rid of the charity plan and instead run a medical clinic in Maricopa proper. We would sell meth as ADHD medication. This is much more discreet than running a soup kitchen in Stanfield and will result in us building many connections we can use to grow our power and influence. It is a much less greasy plan than what we originally had in mind. What do you think of it, Nick?"
>>5027442[4/???]>Event influenced by Mahoney trait [Consummate Contrarian]Mahoney takes a heavy drag of his cigarette before exhaling the smoke away. "Huh. Wow. Uh, don't take this the wrong way, but I think literally everything you said is wrong, and you're kind of nuts for even considering this. I know, I'm the guy who was talking about the need to enforce Jacobite succession to oust the lizards from Britain, but still, this is crazy. You want me to walk through this?"You're kind of stunned by getting totally rebuffed, but you're glad he's at least honest and not some groveling yes-man. "Alright Nick, why do you think that?""Well, let's take this point by point. You said that this would be more discreet. I don't see how that can remotely be the case. Just think about it. You set up some clinic in the middle of well off, middle-class Maricopa. Word gets around you're slinging speed. Every junkie, vagrant, and trailer denizen is going to start swarming around it, because that's the entire idea - to sell the product. Tell me, are you licensed to sell psychiatric medication?""I'm a doctor, not a psychiatrist!""Exactly. So people would get suspicious that the local ornery physician who decided to join some kind of strange - and I don't agree with this wording since I think we're the only way to stop the New World Order but it's what they'd say - some kind of strange cult would just come back one day and start doing psychiatric care. I mean, you or literally some random guy without a medical degree. You'd have people start asking some questions. And I guarantee you, the second there's any trouble, which there will be with what we're selling, someone will complain to Preis, there will be an investigation, and we're going to get caught. Immediately. There's no way around that.""Well, what if we're more selective with our clientele?""You mean not sell to meth-heads? Then let me tell you this, you're not going to make any sales. People who want ADHD meds probably have their own guy already, you're not the first person to think of this business model. The New World Order types have perfected this market for years, you'd be a little fish in a galactic sea. And, since I don't think I mentioned it, if you suddenly decided to make a health clinic out of the blue, don't you think that on its own would get some attention. If I was Preis, I'd be thinking 'what on God's green flat earth is going on here,' or something like that and start snooping around..."
>>5027445[5/???]"But don't you think it's suspicious that we're starting up a soup kitchen to feed a bunch of people who aren't even starving in a community with ample food? Won't people look into that?""What you're describing is literally just how pre-War charities worked," he says as he takes another drag, his cigarette now about half spent. "Most of these people have never been starving. Society produces more food than anyone can imagine, more people die of overeating than starvation, and that includes people at soup kitchens. You know, I've infiltrated these places before, a lot of their clientele know things, more than they should, spoken with the elves. As long as it isn't directly in their face, Maricopans won't care what's going on. It's the same as the prison-industrial complex, medical-industrial complex, educational-industrial complex, lunar-industrial complex, oh man, that last one, let me tell you, this one time I almost got my hands on-"Oh God, not this again. He is about to start up one of his endless rants about aliens. You have to interrupt him - now. "But, uh, if we sell meth to these people, they'll start causing trouble. Maricopa will notice that, so wouldn't the solution be to sell meth, but in pill form?""Would they? People will live literally five minutes out from places so dangerous you'll get shot on sight for wearing the wrong color shirt, and they'll do it without a second thought as long as it doesn't directly affect them. Keep it to Stanfield, where most of the clientele is, and nobody will care.""And how are these junkies going to get enough wealth to make it worth our while without going to Maricopa proper and looting places, or whatever they do?"Nick pauses and seems to think for a moment. "Not a bad point. Of course, I don't think we should even be selling to them.""Huh?""Just give them samples to show them the stuff's legit, and if they want a real supply, they have to go to Mobile and get baptized. What we need is manpower - fighting men. Hell, even just having more followers at Mobile will mean we can get more done. I think that was one of the ideas floating around before.""So you want us to invite a bunch of vagrants and deranged junkies to Mobile so we can feed them meth? You don't think anything could go wrong with that?""I don't think there's a better place for them to be. We'll get more use making them crusaders and workers than getting pocket-change selling speed, enough to justify some growing pains. Not perfect, but a hell of a lot better than some last second attempt to totally switch to some kind of bizarre business model almost guaranteed to backfire in an attempt at being discreet." By now, his cigarette has gone out and he flicks it to the ground. "And that's all I have to say. Hope it wasn't too harsh, but that's just my thoughts. How we go forward is up to you, though..."
>>5027447[6/6]Well, you weren't expecting him to totally disagree with and counter every single point you made, but you appreciate getting a second thought nonetheless. He's probably too crazy to be too duplicitous or sycophantic.You have to decide on a single policy for how to conduct this operation going forward. As the person selected for this diplomatic action, you will be in charge of this and spending most of your time on seeing this through for at least the next few days, likely longer. You decide to:>Set up a charity in Stanfield to try and sell meth for W.P.>Set up a charity in Stanfield to try and offer meth to draw manpower for Mobile [Mahoney Suggested]>Set up a charity in Stanfield and do nothing involving meth>Set up a charity in the heart of Maricopa to try and sell meth for W.P.>Set up a charity in the heart of Maricopa to try and offer meth to draw manpower for Mobile [Mahoney Suggested]>Set up a charity in the heart of Maricopa and do nothing involving meth>Set up a clinic in the heart of Maricopa and try and sell meth as ADHD pills>Scrap the entire scheme and just go home, this is too much>[Write-In]Since Mahoney was in second-place, he gets to be present as a non-POV who isn't actually leading anything. I originally had a random crusader as the role of advisor, but decided the second-place would make the logical foil. I'll blame that for the greater-than-desired time to write. Although I really just did it because he's way too much fun to write. I also obviously adjusted some details on Bones' backstory, notably not having his wife work at a hospital since he would have his own private practice that would logically not be at a hospital. If she was going to be a nurse, I think Bones would want to keep her at his own practice.
>>5027451>Set up a charity in Stanfield to try and offer meth to draw manpower for Mobile >Set up a charity in the heart of Maricopa to try and offer meth to draw manpower for Mobile He makes a lot of really fucking compelling points. We need men. Meth can make us money whenever.
>>5027458+1Start with Stanfield.
>>5027451>Set up a charity in Stanfield to try and offer meth to draw manpower for Mobile [Mahoney Suggested]>>Set up a charity in the heart of Maricopa to try and offer meth to draw manpower for Mobile [Mahoney Suggested] at a later date.>[Write-In] Set up a homeless person informant network that we reward with larger 'servings' of our soup stock.If there are those that are 'hungry' for our soups - but can't make the journey to Mobile for one reason or another - they can at least make themselves useful as our rumormill that we can trade juicy gossip with for our 'stews'.What do you guys think?
>>5027635Seems neat. I’ll support this as well, though the informant thing seems like a Yuri job to be.You know, I find it amusing that we chose frail spy Yuri to go on the high causality mission, and doctor McCoy to set up our recruitment effort. Simple coincidence, or recurring theme?God, I would’ve loved to have Mahoney investigate the cow abductions from Stanfield.
>>5027451>>Set up a charity in Stanfield to try and offer meth to draw manpower for Mobile [Mahoney Suggested]
>>5027635+1, informant network sounds like a fun time. We can use it as an alternative for the homeless people who aren't well enough to be baptized, McCoy is a doctor so he could give them a physical to see if they're fit enough to be recruited as men (sickly, too old, too frail, etc). Recruiting too many of those sorts would put too much of a burden on us. We should be careful about the vagrants conspiring to make up stories between them and falsely verifying each other's words to get better rations, though.>>5027655You know, soup kitchens aren't exactly a one and done thing, are they? There shouldn't be too much of a problem for some restructuring later on.I really want a cooking scene with Mahoney ripping on McCoy's wife's soup recipe for using tumeric or something now.
>>5027635I think we should do a bit more legit practice, like actual pharmacies in both places, and a doctors clinic to help people and gain medical experience, but for homeless and junkies set up a soup kitchen a little outside of town and set up a rehab and Supervised drug injection site at mobile to draw them there and avoid any investigation or upsetting the locals or our allies.Once at mobile we have another soup kitchen and have clean beds for the homeless and junkies with some recreational activities and bible study, etc.The clinics operate more as charities and on donation while the pharmacies make a bit of money and earn good will doing legit business, while doubling as information gathering places or places for dead drops. We try to steer the junkies and homeless to mobile after letting them know there are "free food & drugs" there in the form of Supervised injection sites and once there we give them the full "treatment".Safer than slinging drugs at either cities and we make good from the real clinics and a small profit from the pharmacies.>[Write-In]I guess this post is a write in?>>5027451
>>5027458>>5027474>>5027635>>5027833OPTION SELECTED:>Set up a charity in Stanfield to try and offer meth to draw manpower for Mobile [Mahoney Suggested]On second thought, you realize that your new plan is hilariously likely to backfire and a terrible idea. You scrap it and decide to continue with the original plan the Messenger formulated. You'll also incorporate Mahoney's suggestion (and the view of certain others at Mobile) to forgo direct sales and instead use the Blue as a hook to bring people to Mobile. You really aren't too comfortable with the idea of getting people hooked to dangerous substances, but if it's a means to get people to the faith, then maybe it's what's best for them in the long term. God did allow meth to exist for some reason, after all.You toss your cigarette butt out and return. "Alright, smoke break's over, let's head out.""To Stanfield?" the driver asks."Of course! Where else?"You're driven to the long abandoned agricultural supply store that has been given over to your faction for charity use. Normally, even starting up such a thing would take a long time but, given Preis accepting his role as a de facto autocrat with the collapse of society, this sort of thing can be done pretty much immediately. With the massive agricultural output of Maricopa going unused due to a collapse in trade (the specifics of which are details your faction seems utterly uninterested in) supplies are eager to get rid of excess product. Staples, seasonal fruits, and significant quantities of dairy should be available in ample supply. Your faction will also provide an ample supply of alternative goods.And it seems that the ample supply will be necessary.LOCAL EVENT 80:>Sniffs' OutfitYou were told that there were already people waiting for your 'grand opening,' but you weren't quite expecting this. There are a huge number of people here, most of them seem either disheveled, deranged, or downright dangerous junkies of some sort. That is to say, they're the target demographic. The crowd parts as a single individual makes his way forward towards your group just as you've all gotten out of the vehicle. They've obviously been expecting you.Your group looks to you, obviously unsure of what to expect. "What're you looking at me for?" you say quietly to your men. "I'm a doctor, not the lea-" you stop yourself, realizing that you are, indeed, the leader. You shake your head and walk towards the strange figure to meet him in the middle.[1/4]
>>5032227[2/4]"Hey, hey!" he says with a large fish-eating grin. "I was informed by your Messenger that we could, uh, procure some of the - you know - dispensations of the more stimulating medicinal variety?""Medicinal dispensations?" you mutter to yourself before realizing what's going on. "Look, if you're looking to get your fix, I suggest you guys clear up and let us open the damn thing!" You pull out the keys to the place and begin walking towards the crowd. The crusaders behind you are visibly nervous, but you're not scared of a bunch of junkies who need you more than you need them. "Get in a line everyone, there more than enough for all of you, but until the entrance is clear and you're all sorted out we're not opening!"'Sniffs' nods and begins to order the crowd around, clearing up the entrance for you and your group. Apparently, these types are very good at following orders when the object of their desire is dangled in front of them. When you enter the former agricultural supply store, you find it's in pretty rough shape. It clearly hasn't been taken care of very well and has had only the slightest bit of care put in before your arrival. Still, the foodstuffs are there and the fridges are filled with milk. You and Mahoney do much of the work in moving around the food while the more 'experienced' crusaders work on getting the product into appropriate 'samples' to be distributed.Once things are in a 'presentable' state, a term that means little given the lack of regulators and surplus of junkies, you open the doors and begin service. The first person in line, a familiar face, is let in. He scribbles his name on a clipboard, is given a bag, takes a few pieces of foodstuffs, and takes his complimentary meth. Almost immediately, before the second person can even come up, he crushes up the blue contents of the bag and snorts them in plain view.As a doctor, you are taught that the nasal mucosa is one of the fastest ways to get anything into the bloodstream. This is proven correct as, almost immediately, the junkie begins to move and jerk around erratically. Nearby crusaders train their loaded rifles on him as he continues enjoying his free sample."Ah! Yeah! Tight, tight, this shit is tight!" he calls out. "Man, this really is the good shit, the Blue! That Heisenstein guy knows how to cook; way better shit than the dollar-store special crap!" You have no clue what he's talking about, but you assume it's positive."Hey, make way for the others," one of the gun wielding crusaders orders...
>>5032228[3/4]"Remember," you say loudly, making sure that the people waiting hear you. "We only have enough for samples over here. If you're wanting a real supply, you'll have to follow us to Mobile once we're done with our - charity - work."The rest of the day is busy, as there really is a lot of people to go through. You had stray thoughts of trying to get some general information about the goings on in Maricopa from these people, but there's really no time for it. Besides, it would run totally counter to your personality and something you would be very poorly suited to. It's not just distributing free food and 'samples' that occupies you, but organizing the move to Mobile as well. As it turns out, most of the people here really don't care where they are as long as they can "score some damn Blue" and will happily settle for dropping everything they have (i.e. nothing) to move to some random place in the desert. You figure the only reason they're even still here is because moving elsewhere is dangerous (although your faction has no real idea on what's going on outside of Maricopa and has never made a real effort to figure it out.) In any case, a large of people are moving, and it's up to you to try and organize this.You are not a cardinal. In fact, you are not a clergyman at all and therefore rank fairly low in the organization, so the process of bringing the group to the religious community is a little complicated. For instance, you are unable to properly explain the nature of and teachings of the faction in the depth it deserves, and nobody else present can (despite Mahoney's insistence otherwise, you're fairly certain the Messenger has never confirmed the existence of moon people.) It will unavoidably end up taking the better part of a few days and it leaves you totally unable to commit to anything else. Hopefully there's nothing that would need your attention back at Mobile.>END OF BONES POV??????????? ???>?????? ?? ??????????On the night of the venture into Phoenix, your forces return to Mobile. What you heard before they arrived was grim, with reports of significant casualties including both wounded and dead men. You were told that, apparently, the mercenaries who tipped you off to this still had work to do on their end and couldn't secure a safe place to treat the numbers of wounded. You believe you heard something about it coinciding with a series of battles elsewhere that took up a large number of resources and manpower for the factions involved. In any case, when they return, you find that you weren't being lied to...
>>5032229[4/4]Of the group you sent, two platoons, you find that a quarter of them are dead, whether it was on the spot, as a result of succumbing to wounds, or being declared untreatable by the medical staff sent. Another quarter are wounded to various degrees, some of whom might recover shortly and others for whom returning to combat will not happen any time soon. Here at Mobile, you really can't offer them much that they don't already have. You can't even benefit from that one doctor who recently joined (the only real one your faction has) since he is 'locked up' engaging in a diplomatic action you decided to send him off to. In short, the situation isn't ideal.The returning fighters range from being irritable to irate. Some seem to be angry at their leader for the mission, calling him out as having been useless, uninspiring, and insinuating that he might even be a subversive character. Others, mostly from those close to Cardinal Yuri, pointing the finger in the other direction, saying that their overall performance was subpar and that if they were actually competent then the "pyrrhic victory" could have been avoided. A few, even, are angry at the supporting mercenaries, not for any specific reason it seems, but just out of spite that the forces expected to bear the brunt of casualties in dangerous fighting did indeed bear the brunt of casualties in dangerous fighting. Thankfully, nobody is blaming you and your leadership, specifically.As the Messenger, all authority and legitimacy in the Sun Belt Crusaders ultimately comes from you, so you are the ideal person to handle the fallout from such an event, should you choose to. How will you deal with this division?>Defend Yuri and blame the grunts for their exceptionally poor performance when it counted>Defend the grunts and blame Yuri for being totally ill-equipped to handle the duty of leading the platoons>Throw the mercenaries under the bus and promise that your faction will cut off contact with them>Segregate Yuri into his own force with his own people, with a measure of autonomy, separate from the others to satisfy both sides>Take the blame yourself, for it was your poor decision making and lack of understand of the situation caused this>Watch, observe, monitor, and ultimately do nothing. They are just frustrated and will get over this in due time>[Write-In]Well, damn, that was a lot more of a slow-down than anticipated. Ah, whatever, best not dwell on such things...>>5027655>I find it amusing that we chose frail spy Yuri to go on the high causality mission, and doctor McCoy to set up our recruitment effort. Simple coincidence, or recurring theme?Given you guys knew of both of these and what they would entail ahead of time, it's certainly not a coincidence>>5030361I would not consider this as a vote but as discussion for the future, as what's proposed is way too broad in scope and presuming a situation the Crusaders are not in at the present to be immediately acted on
>>5032232Every choice sounds like a path straight to a discontent mass and a civil war of our own, so...>[Write-in]Praise everyone for taking their part in the mission, and blame God for the shortfalls experienced during it. You are nothing but merely the Messenger, and the people should realise that this setback is but a trial for everyone involved, so that we may grow stronger and more resilient. Rest assured, those who did not make it would be granted absolution, commended as martyrs of the cause, and their names shall be immortalised... somewhere. Maybe some kind of rock memorial to keep spirits up, otherwise pick some random crusader to be a scribe and write down our exploits.As for further steps in our Crusade, we will first convene with God (along with our other advisors) to establish a better understanding of His plans for us (actually plan our next steps carefully). We have suffered a lot in recent times — hopefully, with enough prayer, may we see our sacrifices bear fruit as we are granted our dues.
>>5032232>>Take the blame yourself, for it was your poor decision making and lack of understand of the situation caused thisBad decisions were made.
>>5032232>Given you guys knew of both of these and what they would entail ahead of time, it's certainly not a coincidenceI'm not so certain it just anons being retarded mostly, I'm starting to think there may be a series of miscommunications going on between us all, and I think it's throwing everybody off a bit. That's my gut feeling at least.>>5032279+1If that doesn't calm everybody down, we send Yuri off to on a 'job', whether it be taking care of the prisoners or helping run the soup kitchen. Some time to cool off may relieve some of the pressure.
>>5032279>>5032232>Segregate Yuri into his own force with his own people, with a measure of autonomy, separate from the others to satisfy both sidesprobably more ideal option since he will move into a more support, training, and background security and information gathering role.>blame GodBad idea, rather try and frame it as a test of tribulations to come, if we cannot handle such a test of faith in more optimal times such as this, then we surely will fail the greater tests to come in the near future. Reassure the people that improvements will be made to eliminate repeat mistakes and inefficiencies, and give the men rest and additional training.
>>5032870I think its a good mix of both, miscommunication is there if only because we aren't engaging in lengthy and interactive discussion between other players and the QM.
>>5033103>try and frame it as a test of tribulations to comeThat works, I meant something in the lines of this failure being a test from God anyways. We can't pull the same card too many times though, we need to manage a good win soon to boost morale and bolster the faith.
>>5033105I think we should focus on growing fora few months rather than doing fancy fun interesting missions and stamping out fresh from the press another NPC or secondary support character.
>>5033138I would like that too, actually. What's the situation on all of our NPCs and what are the missions assigned to them? What's the situation with our food supplies and current trade partners?Now that Yuri's back, I think there's a few of low-key missions he could take on, like previously setting up an informant company at the soup kitchen, detecting subversive elements inside our faction, or even establishing ties with Maricopa figures to give us more power on the breadbasket. Nothing too bombastic, just some cleaning up to establish our foothold.
>>5033103I didn't interpret the choice as blaming God, I interpreted it as framing it as one of God's trials for his chosen people, just to make it clear. Blaming God will put us out of business.>>5033104Maybe we can all be a bit more clear as to what we mean when we communicate ideas.>>5033105Only problem is being at the mercy of RNG. Otherwise, I agree with your assessment.>>5033138While I agree, we may not have much of a choice next time, or something juicy may be brought up as a reward. Just something to think about.>>5033194Mueller's still healing and preaching, Yuri just lost a platoon in strength, McCoy and Mahoneyhave been successful with their recruitment efforts, and everybody else is back at Mobile.Yuri does open up some more options. Splitting him from the others may be a hidden boon, as it'll free him up for the Black Site, which may help us in passively converting the prisoners when he isn't on a mission (like intelligence operations and converting/subverting local communities).
Also, I don't know if this is relevant or not, but often jihadi organizations draft their non-combatants (such as critical roles like bombmakers or other personnel that don't fight in their normal day-to-day operations) to fight on the front lines in combat, to prove their faith in Islam and their cause. While sending Yuri into combat was a meta-mistake on our part, I think the same logic applies IC to Crusaders as it does for the jihadis.
>>5033198I think Yuri can help ease things over by helping replenish the numbers with new fanatical recruits and converts. Ideally he would double or triple our numbers. We need a more traditional infantry force that can fight dismounted with its own regular bonuses rather than the highly mobile and mechanized/motorized force we are using in the open area of the deserts.
>>5033209I think focusing on general infantry is going to be a waste of time and effort, since the MMP already act in that capacity for us and we're already planning on subsuming them into our religion. Captcha is MMPM4, God is giving us a sign of approval!
>>5033203If we didn't have to worry about making new characters under time constraints and be allowed to make characters than can be inserted or appear along the story after we make them things would have been differently, but at the time it felt like a competition for cardinal limited slots.I do have an idea for more of a brawler type of deacon or bishop. Background as a %1er biker methhead who found god or something.
The second guy is more of a infantry and squad combat priest who is like a mix between Gerald Butler in Machinegun Preacher and The rapper, MachineGun Kelly, soz a Gerald butler looking fighter guy who can rape and his wife looks like a more conservative Megan Fox?
>>5033214The issue isn't so much the the MMP filling the role as much as we need more fighting manpower and garrisoning troops who have parity fighting quality as our mechanized crusaders.Forgot to spoiler my pictures.
>>5033198How is Trkulja doing?I'm not big on letting Yuri converting and recruiting people, much less ex-convicts. Subverting an established community to be more open to our preachers would be fine, though, and I still think it would be best to put him on a mission to establish an informants operation with McCoy's kitchen.Are we supposed to be aware of all his traits, or would that be metagaming? >>5033214>planning on subsuming them into our religionHow long is that expected to take?
>>5033220But we don't need more garrison troops unless we're planning on taking more territory. I think we should be focusing more on firepower and maneuverability until we got the MMP in our corner.>>5033235I assume Trkulja is handling logistics at Mobile. As for how he's doing, I imagine he's healthier than when Season 2 began, but still has that obsessive rageboner against the Warden.I think having Yuri help convert our PoWs will be better for us long term, as it'll mean that the Black Site won't be as much of a risk for revolt than it would normally be. I do agree with him helping to set up an low key informant network though.I'd imagine it may take awhile, but not as much as you might think. Uniting all of Maricopa's churches under our banner may take some time and effort, but after it should be easier to subvert the general population to our way of thinking, and all we really need is to reach critical mass before most of the people just follows along. We can probably begin some elite capture now though, given our influence with the Mayor, MMP, and the Reservation. All we technically need are the leaders and major influencers under our sway to start exercising our influence over Maricopa proper.
>>5033235Being aware of our IC traits isn't metagaming, and we usually pick the IC options if it isn't pants on retarded, like Trkulja planning an immediate surprise attack on the Warden while most of our forces are training with the MMP.
>>5033643>I think having Yuri help convert our PoWs will be better for us long termIsn't that more of Mueller's job? Otherwise, I can see your point.>>5033650But how much are we aware of somebody else's traits? Most of me not wanting Yuri to take on a recruitment job is to limit his Cult of Personality effect just in case he defects. Would this be something the Messenger have qualms about?
>>5033688Mueller's job is preaching at the Reservation. I think having him there is more beneficial than having him preach at PoWs, if only for his ear and influence with the local strongman, the Sheriff.While I can see your point of view, I don't think he'll defect (and not because we are technically him). If he leaves, where would he go? The Solviet Union is gone, and most of his life was spent in America, practicing his craft. We're as close to a family as he has left, and so long as he recognizes the True Papal Authority in this organization, I don't mind him becoming a living Saint in the eyes of his followers.
>>5033717The way his trait was written seems to me that there's the possibility of Yuri loyalists wanting a change in the structure if they get too powerful, regardless of Yuri's own intent. The question is, how much does the Messenger know about this trait potentially being a problem?
>>5033721You forget about the other trait, [Grand Ambitions], which will keep him tied to the fate of the Crusaders. Plus, he found true meaning and purpose working with the Crusaders and the Messenger before the Civil War. I think it's safe to say that he'll remain loyal til the end.
>>5033756The Crusaders isn't necessarily the Messenger, so I think it's still a possibility for him to start something and take the reins if he finds that our choices end up moving away from his grand plans. If not him, his loyalists might question our authority and propose a change to his name, working on his behalf regardless of if he approves or not. If we could keep him satisfied this wouldn't happen, but if we manage to fuck up to the point where he's annoyed enough to stay quiet when such a matter happens it could be a problem if his loyalists are too strong. Still, you bring up a good point on his loyalty.I still want a clarification on traits being known to us when playing as another character, though.
>>5033756>>5033809Actually, after rereading it again, it's possible that his true meaning and purpose isn't necessarily the Crusaders and the Crusade itself, rather only the espionage and subterfuge work with them is. I still think he could be a sketchy figure, but how much are we supposed to trust him when we're playing as the Messenger?
>>5033809>>5033816I think the Messenger is aware of Yuri's [Cult of Personality]. Also, having a cardinal we created and play as try and upsurp the Messenger without anon's consent would be a deal breaker for me personally. I don't want to have to deal with this extra level of shenanigans, especially since we're technically playing as both characters. I'd rather we play Yuri as loyal to the Crusaders and the Messenger personally rather than trying to unsurp power from a character we're already in control of.
>>5033194>What's the situation on all of our NPCs and what are the missions assigned to them? What's the situation with our food supplies and current trade partners?As a general rule, you guys aren't micromanaging NPCs. That would be way, way too much stuff to do for no reason. In general, micromanaging and really specific details isn't the focus (or at least, it's not what you guys should be focusing on.) You can assume they're doing things in the background if it's not already specified, which it sometimes is (for instance, Mueller is for the foreseeable future locked up at the Reservation doing things like evangelizing, consulting for the local strongman, deciding on wood flooring vs tiles for the cathedral narthex, etc.) There's obviously a limit to how much your faction can organize in terms of projects (missions, constructions, that sort of thing) which is why the action system exists.As for food, you guys have farms and are getting free food from Maricopa. The farms are fairly productive and you guys aren't currently dealing with droughts or supply-chain catastrophes as of yet, so there's not much to say. And regarding trade partners, you guys have only really made formal contact with the greater Maricopa area. Previous updates have gone into that situation in detail, so I don't have much else I can say without being too repetitive.>>5033235Common sense should dictate what characters know about other characters. For instance, it should be pretty obvious that Yuri has his own loyalists who he brought into the cult or personally converted. It's also pretty obvious the guy is a shady figure who's really good at psychological manipulation/warfare. Him being a literal Soviet secret agent is probably not known by people (it's the sort of thing which, if it became public, would - complicate things -to say the least) but since the Soviet and American governments are pretty much gone, it's not the biggest issue in the world.This sort of thing has been around since the first thread, where the first character to have a different POV was made as a literal federal agent who would have zero qualms with destroying the entire faction (would have without the War) and actively wants to get out of it all.>>5033816>how much are we supposed to trust him when we're playing as the Messenger?Don't look at me, I'm not the one voting on this stuff! If you want to play the Messenger as being paranoid, cool. You guys could also, how do I word this, send Yuri on a long-term solo mission to the middle of the desert in a hole. You could also have Walt be totally trusting of everyone. From what I remember of the TV series, he was definitely on the paranoid side, but you guys can decide this.You guys have a freedom of interpretation and choice, in general. That does include the freedom to make completely inaccurate and self-destructive decisions if you all have totally wrong ideas you just go with for no reason... something about eternal vigilance...
>>5033836>Yuri wouldn't usurp because he's an anon generated characterWouldn't basing our choices around that be metagaming? I'm still a holdout on letting Yuri have more men under his control. He wouldn't necessarily start anything, but his loyalists can become a problem if he kicks the bucket or any other scenario he can't control and defuse immediately. It's better we avoid the chances.>>5033898Does the Messenger know about his Soviet ties? Communist influence still exists in China, so it's definitely best to keep it under wraps.we're still voting for >>5032232, right?
>>5033914When I char Gen'd Yuri, I never had the idea of him backstabbing the crusaders in mind or being power hunger, but rather he threw his own in with the lot and used it to see what he could do including refining his craft further, and what he and other humans are capable of. Rather, he'd be helping refine the Messengers "totally peaceful conversions" and religious/factional appeal akin to how some cults are formed and keep and maintain power.
>>5033914From a meta-perspective, I’d rather not deal with a playable subordinate trying to upsurp the Messenger and us (as the Messenger) trying to prevent that, as it’s just too self-sabotaging for my tastes. I’d rather Yuri feel like he’s finally apart of a community he can believe in, and I think it would be a nice twist if former Solviet spy started to believe in the religion he’s peddling.
>>5033925That's fair. We probably know that Yuri isn't going to go power hungry, but does the Messenger trust him enough to think the same?And I STILL think that giving his loyalists more power can be dangerous. Like, for example, we sent Yuri on another mission like last time and it ends up doing worse. Depending on their loyalty, his men can start demanding us to overextend to save him from the mission, or incite a rebellion in his name, claiming that "it's what Yuri would've wanted". He doesn't have to start something directly, just that having loyalists that could potentially be more loyal to him than the overall cause might be a problem.Not to mention the communist connection might lead into him being more susceptible to Chinese meddling from the west, regardless of previous USSR and CCP relations. As great a spy as he is, I'm wary for any counter-subterfuge like Chinese agents infiltrating his loyalists to fuck with us. It's an unlikely scenario, though.>>5033941I like that point. I agree.
>>5033914>Does the Messenger know about his Soviet ties?As I alluded to previously, no. It would be insane for him to make it known he's a deep-cover foreign spy before the War. It would be a problem (i.e. there would be no cult, everyone would just be in prison.) And after the War is not a good time to admit "hey guys, I'm actually a literal Soviet spy" either. This is why earlier in the thread he said he was "born to a family that fled during the Revolution" when asked where he was born.I find this all strange since the first character made (Musella) was hostile to the faction in his introduction and up to the present would not hesitate to abandon/backstab the faction if he thought he could go back to being under the federal government and to his family (which happens in the ending). I'm not saying the paranoia is founded or unfounded, but if you guys are just now thinking "wait a second, maybe the cardinals aren't a hivemind and don't align 100% with the Messenger," then I'm not sure what to say.And of course you guys can still vote. Just because you guys are going on about something only tangentially related doesn't mean voting/etc isn't open.
>>5033985If that's the case, I have less qualms on the Messenger trusting Yuri on converting prisoners. We should still be wary on his loyalists potentially not being as devoted to the cause as they are to him, though.
>>5033985Frankly, the whole point of Musella’s arc was to get lost in his new life, not to necessarily backstab the Crusaders the first chance that he gets (I get the IC motivation). Having a playable character go off the Reservation randomly will turn the rest of our created cardinals into boring Yes-men, because anons will become overly paranoid about playable characters self-sabotaging our faction for ‘personal’ gain, which would just turn the autism up to eleven. I’m not saying to not play the character straight, I just don’t want to keep sabotaging our efforts to move the quest forward from small meth cult in the boonies.As it come to this anon’s concerns with Yuri, I think it’s less with the man himself and more his influence via his followers. Anon doesn’t want our faction to split up or Yuri’s followers to go off the Reservation and defy our direct orders. Doesn’t mean the characters we play as become a hivemind, as this isn’t Starcraft, but I don’t want characters we operate through actively fucking over the faction, especially since it’s actually the faction we play as via the Messenger and his subordinates.
>>5033946Could just not let in people from China.... We can also write a "last testament" for our loyal Yuri followers which should help cover that possibility.I think he's actually be more resilient to CCP influence due to knowing all the tradecraft and techniques that they can use and he'd be better than any amateur agent half his age they could send.
>>5033998>I get the IC motivationWhich is what I'm talking about. I understand what you mean by "arc" but let me go into that for a bit. I'll do it with spoilers, because apparently spoilers are the cool thing to do...If you paid attention to some of Musella's update, and my memory isn't deceiving me, and I wasn't too too drunk when writing, he keeps justifying his cover in ways that might be questionable. I remember one guy saying he was so undercover, he's turned into the mattress. If by "arc" you mean a progression towards actualizing the potential story he might go through, that's happening. If by "arc" you mean he is immediately the end-state Musella that's verily the loyal, devout follower, then I would say that's not genuinely an arc and cheap story-telling. In terms of ship analogies (because, you know, arks are a type of ship), Musella is not the captain who will go down with the ship. He is the rat who will scurry off at the first sign of trouble. His character is not set in stone, and the rat may yet become a captain. But he is not a captain yet, and having him act as a captain cheapens any story of him becoming one. And if he's tested, he's probably going to scurry off before going down with the ship. That's why in the ending, he kept his distance and, the second he got wind that the Crusaders were going to be wiped out, fled the region with "Ondrejko" instead of grabbing a rifle and bayonet. In a sense, he already did backstab the Crusaders during that 'eschaton' of sorts, because his story (and everyone else's) got short-circuited by Trkulja believing in a false dichotomy and destroying the faction for it (but that's neither here nor there.) Musella may yet change as a person, but that's something that will happen with time as he makes smaller choices over time. That's how I understand arcs in story-telling, at least.Anyway, that's enough thinly-veiled rambling about story-telling and philosophy. I just felt like clarifying what I meant with Musella's character, since he was already a sort of potential Judas that's been around from the start. I'll slink off into the proverbial corner and just give a little more time for votes
>>5034039I think most of us are more or less leaning towards this write in>>5032279With a little of the more popular selected options added in. What can we do to make our decision more clear because even when we pick something we tend to add our own opinion in it like splitting hairs.
>>5034038I like the last testament idea, but it's probably not something urgent to do right now. Just something to keep in mind.>>5034039>>5034043Yeah, >>5032279 looks like the general agreement so far. All the Yuri talk is just a step over that, we need to see what happens after we commit to our choice first
>>5032279A +1 to this, seems well thought out and the Crusaders should eat this shit up.
>>5034039I was paying attention to Musella’s arc, and I was quite enjoying it. The thing that caught my attention wasn’t so much the IC reason to distrust anybody, but the meta behind it. I think anons are worried about Yuri going rouge on his own, without player input, and not that the Messenger would become (or should be) paranoid that one of his cardinals would go rouge at a drop of the hat out of the blue.As it relates to paranoia, I’d rather not start out distrusting our inner circle, especially considering faith is our bread and butter. Freaking out that Yuri will go rouge or usurp the Messenger when he’s apart of our inner circle is self-destructive and counter-productive, and more than a little autistic considering we created this guy to help, not to hinder.I do hope my point is coming across clearly.>>5034038>>5034049I think planning Yuri’s Last Testament is planning to self-sabotage, as it’s clear that Yuri isn’t planning on usurping the Messenger anytime soon, and I’d rather avoid such a possibility though controlling both character’s actions and feelings towards one another rather than planning for a betrayal and an amputation of an significant portion of our faction. Like, seriously, we don’t need to work ourselves into a knot of worry and paranoia since we control both character’s significant actions as it relates to our faction.
>>5034065I don't mean for it to be instructions on what they have to do once we die, but more like guidelines they can follow and adhere to, similar to the bible is for some people as a guiding principle in life.
>>5034065We're not plotting a path to get to a Yuri defection scenario, just taking measures just in case things go in such a way. Again, the Messenger might not care about that currently so it's not a step to take right now, rather something to keep in mind if things turn sour in the future between us and Yuri loyalists if Yuri can't keep them down.
>>5034071Eh. Just turn him into a Saint if it comes to keeping Yuri's people satisfied. I'm positive that if Yuri croaks his men will return to the fold.>>5034293I honestly don't see why it would come to that, considering we do technically play as both characters, but if it makes you feel better, I won't oppose. I just don't think we should let it get to such a point though.
>>5032279>>5032870>>5034055OPTION SELECTED:>[Write-in]: "Praise everyone... and blame God for the shortfalls"You decide that you don't want to actually blame anyone. Instead of taking a firm position or simply putting yourself above what may be frustrated venting that will be forgotten by the time some other major event happens, you decide to make an impromptu speech.You start off the speech by praising everyone involved. You were not personally there, and so you can only speak in generalities referring to their bravery in combat and the like. You take pains to avoid saying anything that could offend anyone or otherwise cause discontentment. Instead, you stress that the situation unfolded as it did because God did it. All of this is, you claim, some sort of test from above and that nobody should be blamed for any of their actual choices in combat, leadership, or otherwise. While you try to not explicitly say it, and indeed you would certainly deny it if pressed on the issue, you are essentially just blaming God. You linger on the topic of the dead and float plans of immortalizing these martyrs, including creating a memorial/monument of some kind (while your faction is struggling to house its rapidly growing population) or starting a dedicated effort to journal the faction's adventures. While the promises of absolution may light a fire in the eyes of your audience, many of whom have decidedly dark backgrounds, the reception is overall quite mixed, at least in so much as it is more muted than you would expect. Perhaps it is general weariness.For a moment, your thoughts linger towards Yuri, and as to whether or not he is who he says he is. That is to ask: can you really expect a person such as himself to be a loyal follower - a person with his own loyal following? You feel overcome with a sense of unease, perhaps even paranoia, if only just for a moment.Once everything's said and done, you can't help but shake off the feeling that you adamant refusal to take a firm position and instead offload everything on the ultimate source of your faction's legitimacy may not be a generally good idea. Still, one of the benefits of operating a faction of zealous defenders of the faith is that you can actually get away with such arguments, at least to a certain extent. While you feel you have gained little in the way of real benefit (and have perhaps made things worse), you have nonetheless gotten everyone to at least quiet down and get on with things. You make a note to yourself to use this method of resolving frustrations sparingly, for one ruling by divine right must be careful when invoking His holy name.With that out of the way, you now turn your attention to the miscellaneous issues of the half-week...[1/3]
>>5038492[2/3]Issue 1:>Spoils of WarA short time after completing the side-op, you are contacted by the flamboyant mercenary faction. They report that their client was apparently quite pleased at the outcome of the mission, having received their "precious thing" without incident. When pressed on what exactly it was you took, they refused to elaborate and cited the principle of client confidentiality. The closest thing to a description was from some of the crusaders who described it as a large wooden box that rattled around when moved as if there were many smaller items inside. You find the secrecy strange, since your faction is not the usual kind of third party, but you continue to the issue of payment and spoils.Base Payment: >350 W.P.Looting Result: >135 W.P. >Rare Electrical Gear: Must be expended for certain advanced upgrades/constructionsIn addition to the various valuables and what you identified as specialized electrical equipment you would need for certain manufacturing and catalytic processes, the Boiz mercenaries offer up an extra of your choice. They're not obliged to grant anything to you beyond the base payment and whatever loot was taken (after they took their portion,) which makes you just a little paranoid. While they say that this is a sort of token of goodwill, part of you believes this is out of some kind of pity. Still, in any case, you can choose a reward of your choice:>Ask for extra resources of value [Extra W.P. Reward]>Ask for the discounted night vision gear [Purchase over a dozen units of NVG for 135 W.P.]>Ask for a favor. [Can call in their support in an emergency]>Ask if they can organize some kind of deal for you [Specify for what] [With whom?]>Ask for nothing. You don't need their pity. [???]>[Write-In a request within reason]
>>5038493[3/3]Issue 2:>The Familiar Face of Meth-headsThe medical doctor you sent to Maricopa has returned with quite a number of potential converts. While putting your best (only) doctor on drug dealing duties instead of with the medics was a decision many questions, none can question the efficacy of the strategy he thought up. Yes, perhaps most of them came willingly on the orders of some local junkie, and perhaps McCoy didn't actually think of the plan himself if Mahoney is to be believed (in between his rambling about the connection between European noble houses and shapeshifting lizards), but the results speak for themselves. You have received a large batch of enthusiastic followers with an eagerness to learn about the faith (and monkeys on their backs).You have a large supply of meth and are producing an industrial supply of the stuff. Production is not a problem (even producing for all of Maricopa would be trivial) and distribution is about as much of an issue as escaping law enforcement. The problem, however, is whether or not you want to actually give them access to an unlimited supply of meth. You know from experience that these types may become overly enthusiastic, perhaps to the point where they get distracted from their duties, or begin committing petty crimes, or begin randomly stabbing bystanders for no reason (the usual). Your Church has incorporated these substances in a way that ritualizes them, using the power of faith to control doses and damage done. These newcomers are definitely not in communion with the Church and would therefore be barred from participating (as non-Catholics may not partake of the Eucharist) under ordinary circumstances.Given the above situation, how do you choose to deal with these new residents?>Deny them any meth until they have taken the time to become fully enmeshed in the community, regardless of how long it takes or incidental damage>Deny them sacramental meth until they convert, but allow them to freely get high as desired otherwise>Only grant them meth in exchange for long hours of hard work under an incentive system (with punishments for being too high on the job or slacking off)>Grant a special Papal dispensation allowing them to partake in the sacrament of Eucharist before baptism/conversion in an attempt at immediately adapting them to the system>Use this as an opportunity to change the entire town's meth policy [Specify]>[Write-In]I feel like I let things linger on a bit too long with intentionally waiting on posting this update (which I had essentially finished for a good time.) It's not good for the quest to slow things down. Although it is strange that as updates slow, so too does the board, it seems. Not long ago most threads would only last about thirty days at the most, but I'm seeing the oldest threads have been up for over fifty. Not that it's an excuse to further delay things (just for that, I'll try to complete this one quicker than usual)
>>5038492>and blame God for the shortfallsI thought we explicitly agreed not to do this?
>>5038492>you feel you have gained little in the way of real benefit (and have perhaps made things worse)Glad to know our fuckups keep growing QM. Had I known this would do jack shit to resolve things and actively put our legitimacy into doubt, I would have opted to split Yuri's faction from the rest of the Crusaders and just be done with it, as my gut was want to do. I'll assume the waiting for votes to come in (at the end of >>5033985 and >>5034065) was supposed to be a hint that we totally fucked up, right?Next time we come up with something so pants-on retarded as to throw our faction's legitimacy in doubt as the Messenger, please comment on it. I ain't a fucking religious fanatic in real life, so shit like this doesn't come up in my thought process (though I do appreciate your attention to detail and the fact that you fully thought this through), so it does feel like you sprung on us out of left field (even if in hindsight this was the logical outcome).>>5038493>Ask for extra resources of value [Extra W.P. Reward]or>Ask for the discounted night vision gear [Purchase over a dozen units of NVG for 135 W.P.]More WP is always useful, but night vision goggles could be the edge we need in terms of night combat. I'm almost certain that we can build the Advanced Pharmaceutical Upgrade this turn, or at least the next one.>>5038494>Only grant them meth in exchange for long hours of hard work under an incentive system (with punishments for being too high on the job or slacking off)I'm not really satisfied with this choice, as it doesn't really incentivize them to dedicate themselves to God and our church as I would like (among other things), but this would avoid most of the trouble that going completely cold-turkey would bring us while keeping them in line and occupied from causing too much trouble while high (such as overly enthusiastic crime and violence). Even so, I'm still worried about properly converting them to our faith by using our main attraction (to them) to ensure compliance and productivity.On a personal note I was starting to worry that you left us QM. I'm glad that you didn't, as I really enjoy this quest, despite recent events for our faction that I'll chalk up to growing pains for us and just leave it at that.
>>5038553I thought so too, but I'll charitably assume that it was on us to change our vote to not blame God (or that blaming God was inherent to calling it a trial of God, and the nuance applied was meaningless), and leave it at that. It doesn't get rid of the bad taste in my mouth from this action, but shit happens, and all of our actions this thread felt like a clusterfuck already, so I'm willing to write this off as apart of that train wreck called this turn and just move on.
>>5038493Genuine question, why the paranoia? Afraid of being seen as weak and with pity?A part of me thinks that we should ask for the favor as an emergency source of manpower, but another part tells me that it's going to give them a lot of leverage over us and make us overreliant on them. Probably should go with WP or NVGs like >>5038566 said. A harebrained idea I have is to ask for them to take in Yuri for a while to train his strategic skills, while we ask Yuri to undergo covert operations to undermine their own power, steal their secrets, and establish a manpower siphon by getting their ranks to become loyal to Yuri. It's way too ambitious and fantastic to be taken seriously though, and after the last write-in I'm not confident in making up scenarios.>>5038494>Only grant them meth in exchange for long hours of hard work under an incentive systemNot a pure vote, but there must be a way to combine this with a way to proselytize them to our cause so as to not make the meth their only source of loyalty. Handing out meth freely might also add to our legitimacy problems seeing how it's used until now.>>5038553I thought the same, but I guess there isn't much difference between blaming God and saying it's a trial from Him.
>>5038493>>Ask for extra resources of value [Extra W.P. Reward]Lets get to building.>>Deny them any meth until they have taken the time to become fully enmeshed in the community, regardless of how long it takes or incidental damageLets do it proper, perhaps we can put them to work in the meantime? Food and board if we can manage.
>>5038493>Ask if they can organize some kind of deal for you [Specify for what] [With whom?]Proper meeting with the mayor or whoever that we tried last time but got cockblocked by the Big Bad evil Sassy black gurl.>>5038494>Only grant them meth in exchange for long hours of hard work under an incentive system (with punishments for being too high on the job or slacking off)>>5038570>>5038580Lets just avoid write ins from now on.
>>5038553That was a direct quote from the prompt, so while I mitigated it a bit by implying the Messenger sort of danced around the topic, you can't really avoid it. As >>5038580 alluded to, the content of the write-in was to avoid making it anyone's fault by saying God planned for it (i.e. blaming Him, but saying He had a good reason to do it.) Since you're speaking to literal crusaders, you can get away with it (you actually did, in a sense, any problems were quashed for a temporary morale dip... I'm really not sure why you guys thought there would be a god-damned Crusader Civil War over that, lol), but it's probably not something you want to repeatedly rely on.>>5038566If I were going to leave, I would have said it. One of the reasons why things have been taking a little longer than usual is because of a changing professional situation, which while not negative, did/does take some adjustment (including why my ID is different)>>5038580>Afraid of being seen as weak and with pity?That's definitely possible. If I'm remembering the show right, he definitely did think in terms of pride and ego. The show is even based off of it, since if he had just accepted the offer from his old friend to pay for the cancer treatment early on, then he wouldn't have had to go into the drug/empire business in the first place. It's also possible that there really are snakes around every corner, just waiting to do bad things!!I liked the idea of reflecting player paranoia over a possible Civil War: Yuri arc with a little peek into some of Walt's darker thoughts, with that carrying over into the extra reward prompt>>5038646>perhaps we can put them to work in the meantime?Don't worry, they're obviously going to be working (i.e. contributing W.P.) with all options, just as any follower would. Nobody's getting a free lunch around here! Or as it would be justified in character: "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat." - Second Thessalonians, chapter three verse ten. This is more to determine how they are integrated, what kind of things you'll deal with when that happens, etc. Since the faction is currently going through a rapid growth phase, expect to resolve issues of integration, resource constraints, arbitrating for/favoring groups, and other things like this a little more than before.
We should also give them "lower grade" meth. the good stuff the premium stuff is for sacrament.
>>5038566>>5038580>>5038646>>5038668OPTION SELECTED:>Ask for extra resources of value [Extra W.P. Reward]While you would like sets of high quality night vision equipment (seemingly a rarity in the Badlands after the military left) or perhaps getting into real contact with the PCR (which is odd since you think it'd be the other way around) but you really just want more wealth. There are many projects you need to get to from housing to factory upgrades, and wealth has been a major constraint. You push any stray, dark thoughts aside and ask for extra resources to be added to the amount already being transferred.>Gain 175 W.P.The transfer is done without issue, and you're told that they'll inform your faction of any future ventures they think would be a good fit "if you're up for it," as they said. The total reward for this venture, then, is a little shy of seven hundred W.P. in the form of various valuable materials and raw resources. Phoenix, as any major urban center, is a significant source of wealth for anyone with the will and power to take it. Given your losses to what was one of the easier encounters possible, you figure your faction may benefit from growing in territory and martial might before considering any incursions into the area (certainly ones without any form of aid and organization)...[1/???]
>>5040106[2/???]OPTION SELECTED:>Only grant them meth in exchange for long hours of hard work under an incentive system (with punishments for being too high on the job or slacking off)As the Apostle Paul said, "we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat." With the backing of scripture, you put these men and women to work in various tasks. There are always things to do, and by your decree you make these people pay for their meth with sweat. Given the collapse in supply chains causing shortages in key goods like 'cold medicine,' small scale meth production has seemed to collapse, making your offer incredibly enticing. This is doubly the case, given that even the lowest quality of your product would be like the fine-wine of the ice-field world (not that said group is particularly picky about their fix.)Some would say this is a moral transgression. Some would choose to interpret this as taking advantage of the profoundly disadvantaged or even as little more than chemical slavery. These people would be wrong. What you are doing is taking the refuse of society, those shunned and failed by the old order and living under the bondage of their personal demons, and allowing them the opportunity to be reborn. Indeed, you are setting them free, for a man submitting himself utterly to the Good has one master whereas the so called 'free man' has as many masters as he has vices. Under the hot sun of the Arizonan desert, the old selves will be broken down that a better, more true self shall emerge. That you stand to benefit from this system is no issue, for you serve the Good, as these souls have now been granted the opportunity to.>Gain 1 Construction ActionAnd with that, the week comes to a close.[END OF WEEK 7, HALF 2]
>>5040107[3/???][END OF WEEK 8, HALF 1]CONSTRUCTOIN COMPLETED:>Improved Housing: Continue improving housing to support a larger population - 45 W.P.Over the past week work has been done on building more housing. Conditions are (still) poor and are getting distressingly crowded with the flood of arrivals between Mueller's Natives and the Maricopan meth-enthusiasts becoming aware of Mobile's riches (word spreads fast.) The recent constructions help make the situation less intolerable, but as always there is room to build.>Manpower:1 half strength Mechanized Infantry Platoon [Reinforcing]1 half strength Mechanized Infantry Platoon1 full strength Mechanized Infantry Platoons [LOCKED WITH THE RESERVATION]1 half strength Support Platoon [Priority: Artillery Section]Full Platoon Garrisoned Mobile Light Infantry [Mountain Base]Full Platoon Garrisoned Mobile Light Infantry [Mobile]~540 followers (non-combatants)~90 prisoners>Wealth:835 Wealth Points+110WP per half-week from followers+30 WP per half-week from Maricopan patronage146 Food Units-54 Food from consumption per half week+40 Food from 6 farms+15 Food from Maricopan patronage22 Meth Units+7 M.U. per half-week>ACTIONS AVAILABLE:2 Construction Actions0 Diplomatic Actions [Envoy: 'Casino' Already Locked In]1 Flexible Action>Construction Actions Possible: Unless stated otherwise, assuming 1 week to complete:Farm: Restore some abandoned farmland. Makes more food. - 40 W.P. [Takes only half a week]Chemical Weapons Lab Level 1: Allows for the production of basic chemical weapons. - 400 W.P.Machine Workshop Level 1: Allows for the production of basic weapons and ammunition. - 300 W.P.Explosives Workshop Level 1: Allows for the production of basic explosives. - 500 W.P. [Requires Skilled Crew for Optimal Function]Broadcast Tower: Sends messages far and wide to anyone with a car or receiver. Massive boost to propaganda. - 150 W.P.Oubliette: Dungeon like room for basic interrogation/conversion. Unlocks conversion (brainwashing) oriented construction options. - 100 W.P.Improved Housing: Continue improving housing to support a larger population - 50 W.P.Hallucinogen Manufacturing: Create a variety of mind altering substances. - 150 W.P. [Synergy: Oubliette]Advanced Pharmaceutical Workshop: Allows for the production of advanced drugs. - 550 W.P. [Skilled Crew Reserved] [Partial Reimbursement On Construction]Basic Seminary: Decreases penalties for multiple simultaneous [Missionary Outreach] actions and slightly boosts effectiveness. - 300 W.P. [Requires Skilled Crew]Nothing: Save the W.P. and forgo construction[Write-in]>Special: Can use a one time 50% discount on a factory upgrade if desired>Have access to rare electrical gear for currently unknown projects or other uses...
>>5040110[4/4]>TogglesPurchase advertising for Maricopa's radio to help with recruitment/outreach - 5 W.P. per full week [CURRENTLY ON]Send Cardinal Mueller out to the Reservation to preach. - Free [CURRENTLY ON]Crudely "preach to" prisoners at the Sierra Estrella location (i.e. brainwash) - 5 W.P. per half week [CURRENTLY ON]>Diplomatic Actions Possible:Envoy: Send a diplomatic envoy to a location to engage in trade, propagandize, or make agreements. Better at getting deals than scouts, but has no stealth and is worse if a fight breaks out. Select from a location such as Gila Bend, Maricopa, Goodyear, or a [Write-in] and note what you specifically want them to do.Scouting: Have the group organize a scouting party and explore a location. Stealthy and decent at a fight, but not very good if diplomacy is needed. Select from the Lewis Prison, Gila Bend, Maricopa, or a highly-encouraged/recommended [Write-in] and specify what you want them to do.Raiding Party: Send forces out to a location and attack them for loot and dominance. [Where?]Missionary Outreach: Send missionaries to a location to recruit people into the totally legitimate religion. Could anger the locals if you don't have permission! Select from a location such as Gila Bend, Lewis Prison, Goodyear, or a [Write-in].Side Ops: Do mercenary work [CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE]Nothing: Forgo a diplomatic action.[Write-in]>Select two construction actions, zero diplomatic actions, and one extra of either category for this half-week (and optionally, toggle changes)Also:>Roll three d100s for events>>5038580>there must be a way to combine this with a way to proselytize them to our cause so as to not make the meth their only source of loyaltyIt's implied that they're being inducted into the cause with all options. It's just that with the chemically-incentivized labor program they'll have to work for their meth. Hell, even just being in Mobile for long enough will probably start to move people towards the Faith, especially if they're already in a vulnerable mental state. The choice was more for what will be done regarding meth specifically (as opposed to every aspect of their integration.)>>5038566>Next time we come up with something so pants-on retarded as to throw our faction's legitimacy in doubt as the Messenger, please comment on itLong block of text incoming. Ignoring post-update miscellany is always fine, but here it is extra fine. It really is just off the cuff rambling...
>>5040118[Rambling 1/2]I'm not sold on having the person qming just outright tell the players they're making bad decisions. I've already said plenty on why I think such choices ought to be part of the game, so I won't repeat that whole thing. What I will say is that you guys have a habit of wildly misjudging things (and focusing on near irrelevant details while ignoring the 800-pound gorillas in the room, but that's another story.) It might clear things up if I just go over my thought process.For starters, you guys are talking about a civil war breaking out because sub-factions seem to be forming and people are frustrated/discontented over recent events. This is like seeing the Italian Mafia is forming a parallel network of authority, enforcing its own laws in area, and even attacking government officials and then jumping straight to "the mafia is going to storm city hall, take over New York, and declare itself an independent country!" There's a line of logic to it, and it has sort of happened in history even (the Loyalists would have said this is exactly what the Sons of Liberty did) but, man, it's skipping a lot of intermediate steps. The idea that everyone's collective first thought is of a "civil war" comes off as being really paranoid. There will be discontentment no matter what as it's a basic reality of leadership you will have to deal with continuously. And sub-factions are a reality of any organization (regardless of type) once it gets big enough, whether from individuals rallying around common interest or as a reality of the top level guy having to delegate efficiently. These elements can cause civil war (that's the setting) but going from "I'm mad we suffered losses; I blame my lieutenant" to "alright boys, time to start a civil war!" is a massive leap.And on the topic of misjudging, the main factor in that choice was blame. People weren't sure who to blame since views were mixed, so they went to the leader (you) to arbitrate. It's a classic scenario with no 'right' answer. For some reason, you guys saw this as some giant thing and then tried to make a kind of perfect solution by thinking outside of the given options. Normally, this is good and quite encouraged, but when your option includes the text "blame God," "praise everyone," building a rock memorial when the faction is suffering a housing crisis, and describes a situation where all negative consequences are put on God, I think you can see why it'd be a bit counter-productive...
>>5040120[Rambling 2/2]Hearkening to the supernatural isn't a bad idea, but there were probably better ways of doing it. Something like "blame Satan, the Great Enemy, who we fight against for God!" followed by a little spiel about this being one of God's tests, would have achieved the goal of blaming an invisible supernatural being and trying to unite everyone without implying God is at fault. That might have even been the desired intention, but if you guys don't vote it, then I can't write it.As I said, it's not a huge deal, just be more mindful about invoking the divine for the near future and try to think about implementation in addition to intent. It's great you guys intend to avoid an obvious pitfall of the plan, but if you don't actually write out/change the implementation to reflect that, then I can't help you out there. Remembering you have to think about implementing those longer-term plans as opposed to just saying you want a certain result is something I'll say would help out a lot (based on what I recall from discussions.)Oh, and since you asked for a comment on that choice, I might as well put it here before I forget. It's not the end of the world. Bad idea? Sure. Instant 'all legitimacy is lost, down with the Messenger!!' situation, it is not. Just don't make it a habit and it'll be fine. The Church isn't so fragile that one ill-thought out speech will destroy the reputation of the Papacy to those who believe in it. The "worse" in the update, by the way, regarded opportunity cost. You guys might do something in the near future that might make you guys want to invoke God to just handwave away issues, and this might affect that if it happens too soon. The comment that doing nothing may have been better wasn't an insult or something. It was a genuine comment that sometimes the best way to deal with grievances and frustrations is to just listen and let time heal things as people turn their attention to other, more pressing concerns. Obviously it's not the right idea every time, but it is a valid strategy and there's a reason why real world leaders often employ it. Anyway, this has gone on for way too long. I'll just end that by saying that I've played in difficult quests before, ones you could describe with the infamous 'CBT Wikipedia copypasta,' so I know what being put in hopeless situations and forced to constantly suffer looks like. This isn't it, not yet at least. All things considered, you guys aren't in a bad position, just making some bad choices. As the famous saying goes: Take it easy!
Rolled 54 (1d100)>>5040110Construction Actions>Advanced Pharmaceutical Workshop: Allows for the production of advanced drugs. - 550 W.P. [Skilled Crew Reserved] [Partial Reimbursement On Construction]>Improved Housing: Continue improving housing to support a larger population - 50 W.P.Get the Advanced Pharmaceutical Workshop up and running, and we become more valuable in Maricopa's eyes, and we may be able to sell off any excess to other factions, assuming they're interested in our goods.>>5040118For our Flexable Action, either we Envoy with Goodyear/Maricopa to establish/improve relations and try to secure a skilled crew for our Explosives Workshop, or we commit to another Missionary Action to Maricopa to secure one church and begin working on the others.>>5040120>>5040128I do agree that anons jumping the gun into civil war paranoia was definitely a leap in logic and unwarranted. Anons being more afraid of Yuri trying to take control of our faction from the Messenger independent from whatever choices we make with Yuri's relationship with the Messenger (or some sort of leaderless action taken on the part of Yuri's supporters without Yuri controlling them, which is absolutely bizarre to my mind) is a bit nuts. I don't agree with that line of logic at all, since we technically control both parties though their leaders, which would prevent a schism from appearing early on, and quite frankly I don't want to play to that level of paranoid shenanigans with what should be our trusted inner circle, as it seems entirely new level of self-sabotaging in this case.As it relates to blaming God, I thought it was quite clear in our sentiment to not blame Him in spite of supporting the overall prompt. We may have technically voted to blame Him for our troubles, but that clearly wasn't our intention from the other posts discussing the issue, and I don't the the Messenger would've made that mistake IC considering he's the Pope (i.e. Cult Leader), clearly aware that his legitimacy comes from God. While I'm willing to bury the hatchet and move on, it did feel like an emotional betrayal, as blaming God clearly wasn't the intention even if it was technically the vote, and you should've brought awareness to that fact before the dye was cast.Frankly, it feels like we keep fucking ourselves over through miscommunication or misconceptions, and I fear that this'll become a larger problem when we aren't in such a good position and things are more dire than we realize.I said my peace. Maybe we just need another beach episode to get our heads screwed on straight.
Rolled 53 (1d100)>>50401102 Construction Actions + 1 Flexible Action>Farm: Restore some abandoned farmland. Makes more food. - 40 W.P. [Takes only half a week]>Improved Housing: Continue improving housing to support a larger population - 50 W.P.>Advanced Pharmaceutical Workshop: Allows for the production of advanced drugs. - 550 W.P.>Total: 640 WPAutarky is essential in these tough times, we can't rely on others to make up our food deficit. As our cult grows, so too the need to sustain it.>>5040120>>5040128I never thought that our own civil war would immediately break out, but blaming anyone for the shitshow after sacrificing so much really sounded like putting too much undue stress towards either side. When the choice was either blaming the men or a lieutenant who has a lot of loyalists, especially after all the sacrifices made, I think blaming either leads to too much hurt morale and feelings.I actually don't think the choice we made was that bad, all things considered. The quiet interest for absolution could definitely be something we can improvise on. Personally I thought >>5033103, >>5033105, and >>5033198 were votes for the less direct God blaming, but that's water under the bridge now. In retrospect, the morale hit would've probably been the same had we blamed an actual entity.
Rolled 21 (1d100)>>5040110>Machine Workshop Level 1: Allows for the production of basic weapons and ammunition. - 300 W.P.>Improved Housing: Continue improving housing to support a larger population - 50 W.P.>Advanced Pharmaceutical Workshop: Allows for the production of advanced drugs. - 550 W.P. [Skilled Crew Reserved] [Partial Reimbursement On Construction]Can we use the discount on the pharmaceutical workshop? If not, then use it on the machine workshop. Lets get our industry up and rolling, then next round we can do some diplomatic work and or scouting along with continuing to improve housing, then food.
>>5040344We're reserving the discount for the Explosive Workshops Upgrade. Using it on anything below 500 WP would be a subpar play, and I don't know if the discount disrupts the reimbursement we get from the Advanced Pharmaceutical Workshop, so I'll avoid fucking with it.
>>5040420It is an idea thats been put forward, and I'm putting forward a different one.We've been holding onto it forever now, its well past time to use it. In my opinion these two industry choices are the best ones to build currently. Explosives would be very useful as well don't get me wrong, but getting a machine shop up and going first is more useful I would say, some armored cars and the like would do nicely at keeping our limited manpower safe.Of course, if we would just go sell our meth to someone we could start building any of our big projects fast.Perhaps sending an envoy to the warden offering to sell some? Or sending someone with some samples to phoenix. Or for that matter sending scouts in every direction with samples to both gather information on our surroundings further out and pick up some potential clients. Say 5 man teams
>>5040520We've been holding on to it forever because we lacked the necessary funds to use it properly. Fact s that an Explosives Workshop would turn our mortar systems into a viable combat counter to any incursion rather than the one-trick pony it was before, and we can actually start training our mortars crews to turn them into skilled, effective killers. With the Warden to our West and the POZ coming into town, I think it's better to get our artillery semi-operational than to machine more guns that we already have, and this is discounting the fact that using the discount would knock off 50% of the WP for it, turning a 500 WP project into a 250 WP project, and saving more WP for other projects, such as the Machine Workshop.I'm not opposed to selling our meth, the real question really is where? I see the Warden buying our meth as a coin flip, considering he gets two MU every time we enter his territory, and I'm still smarting over his previous visit, which puts me between wanting some payback or turning the other cheek for pragmatic reasons, and that isn't to say that the Warden wouldn't try to press his luck getting a cheaper price because of a perceived weakness, or the fact that I want to charge a higher price because I'm still mad over the previous affair. We can try an envoy to Lewis Prison, I'm just uncertain of the viability of it bearing fruit.Phoenix is an entirely different matter. I'm sure it's our biggest market, but it being an active war zone make it difficult to travel and conduct business. It's probably worth a shot at attempting to deal with some of the many factions that are tearing Phoenix apart, but I'm expecting any envoy to get shot up in the process of meeting other factions simply over the fog of war. Maybe we can network through the POZ-Maricopa food deal if it ever materializes.I'm tempted to give Goodyear another proverbial crack, but that's mainly to clear up preaching rights more than peddling meth.As for exploring and dealing with other factions, I don't mind, but I think Maricopa was planning on doing that after dealing with the POZ situation, so I think it'll be easier to tag along rather than go it alone, though we can certainly attempt to do some exploring now.
Rolled 40 (1d100)>>5040174I agree with your assessment.>>5040420>>5040520Wouldn't it be better saved for an upgrade that could cost 1000 WP?>>5040110Advanced Pharmaceutical Workshop: Allows for the production of advanced drugs. - 550 W.P. [Skilled Crew Reserved] [Partial Reimbursement On Construction]Improved Housing: Continue improving housing to support a larger population - 50 W.P.Scouting: Have the group organize a scouting party and explore a location. Stealthy and decent at a fight, but not very good if diplomacy is needed. Select from the Lewis Prison, Gila Bend, Maricopa, or a highly-encouraged/recommended [Write-in] and specify what you want them to do.Send scouts around the state to get an idea of the state of things, populations, religions, number of destitute people, armed and unarmed people, population number estimates, factions and level of hostility.
So, we have two choices, continuing with housing and second tier pharmaceuticals, locked in. The third one seems pretty split. I was hoping we'd get another vote to break the tie, but now it's just four way. I encourage people to vote if they haven't or switch if they feel a change of heart, but if not I think I'll just select something at random to get things moving (if it ends up being the scouting vote, I'd go with a random direction).>>5040194Sure, I can see where you're coming from. From my perspective, I had just seen many posts going into a civil war scenario with the leading vote's first sentence including "path straight to... a civil war" so to me that was the obvious conclusion.And just to reiterate, hopefully for the last time, I need you guys to actually change your votes to reflect your intentions in these kind of scenarios. If you want to not blame God, you have to vote for the option that doesn't literally say "blame God." Again, that post explicitly said it was blaming God in no uncertain terms, so this seems pretty clear cut to me.Discussion and saying you intend for P is generally fine, but when the votes are for Q (mutually exclusive with P) and nobody actually changes votes for a long time, then I have to go with Q.Going forward, I'll try to more actively tell you guys when it seems like what you're voting for is in contradiction with your stated aims, and maybe even just jump in when you guys make a 'questionable' choice to tell you guys it's a bad idea. Even though I think most of the time it should be sorted out by players and discussion, I also accept that there may be a need to intervene so I'll keep that in mind to smooth things out.>>5040344>Can we use the discount on the pharmaceutical workshop?That's a good question. Looking back, I can see how this was unclear. If I remember right, the deal was that you guys would get reimbursed once the thing is done. This means you would absolutely be able to use the discount, since one happens the instant of construction and the other happens after. You would still need to put in the 275 WP, but you'd get it back in a week when it's done, "God willing." You'd also lose the ability to use the discount in the future, but that's just opportunity cost>>5041208>Send scouts around the state to get an idea of the state of thingsThat's a good idea, but you'd have to be a little more specific. Arizona's a pretty big state (it's larger than the entire U.K.), so getting a better idea of the "state of things" (pun intended) will take multiple actions/trips. Just give me a direction you want to send people, even something as basic as a cardinal direction would work.Just as a reminder, Arizona is a real place, and your best IC assumption is that real world maps (it's obviously presumed you can access a state map) will tell you where most settlements are. If you're feeling unsure, maybe check a map for inspiration. Google Maps might be a good resource too (esp satellite view imo)
>>5041208>Wouldn't it be better saved for an upgrade that could cost 1000 WP?Treating things like potions in an rpg game is a mistake
>>5041318If you see discussions regarding a certain write-in that was meant to refine it, just remind us that we need to vote for the actual refined option. We might've jumped to the conclusion that the revised option is what the votes were for when we're actually voting for the original version, if that makes sense
>>5040174>>5040118Backing this, Pharmaceutical and housing this turn so we can get the Currency Refund, next week we use the Cupon for the Explosive Factory.As for a Flexible action, >>5041208 backing Scouting the state here. Sugggestion is to head along the 238 through Maricopa, then down the Casa Grande Highway to scout out the situation in Casa Grande, then continue down Interstate 10 to Tuscon and see how the minor settlements along the road are fairing. Tuscon is a fairly large and should be a good recruitment center if they aren't full blown commies or violent isolationists. I expect this outing to take 3-5 days if we give the men orders to keep it on the down low and not enter any settlements if they're not certain if they're hostile or not.
>>5041429Alright. I'll interpret this as [Scout: Casa Grande] since the place is actually fairly big. Casa Grande is, in fact, larger than Maricopa (by population; Maricopa's probably larger in size due to it's massive farmland), so it's possible you guys might not finish with that area, even. It depends on the choices you make along the way, most likely. It's also assumed that you'll be asking Maricopa what they know about the area, since there's no reason you guys wouldn't or why they'd refuse to say anything.Assuming no more votes (still allowed), we'll be going with [2nd tier pharma] , [housing] , [scout: Casa Grande] , and [Locked-in Envoy: Casino]Tucson, by the way, is a fairly large city. It's not quite at the level of Phoenix, but its metro area is around a million people depending on how you count it. Similar American cities would be Albuquerque (New Mexico) or Atlanta (Georgia)>>5041408>If you see discussions regarding a certain write-in that was meant to refine it, just remind us that we need to vote for the actual refined optionWill do
>>5041208>Wouldn't it be better saved for an upgrade that could cost 1000 WP?Potentially, but I'm also worried about the opportunity-cost associated with not using it to get an expensive workshop up and running now. WP are a secondary concern to build up our faction's military capabilities, which includes explosives. IEDs could be incredibly useful, we can start producing more mortar shells for training, and we can offload any excess supply to our allies. I'm also wondering if we can create some grenade launchers or RPGs when we get the Machine Workshop online.>>5041318From my perspective (hopefully for the last time), I thought the discussion would've been taken into consideration, like it was when you created the hybrid soup-kitchen/meth-dealing option. It's why I was shocked that it wasn't considered. Don't worry, I doubt I'll forget to change my vote to a proper write-in next time.Also, we can make the chemicals that the Electric Union needs, right? I'm wondering about the profitability of trading with them. I would totally do it pro bono if it wasn't for the fact that we'd be spending 2 MU per trip, and still really thinking of doing it for free anyway. As much as I loathe to give the Warden free meth, getting in good with the Electric Union may just be worth it. I'm still a bit bearish on the idea, but we should definitely look into it.>>5041429I'm fine with your Flexible Action. Have Bob lead it, he was the one advocating for exploration and looking for new markets after all.I would like to finish getting Father Malvolion on our side soon, and continue hardening Mobile and the Black Site when we ain't building housing/farms in our spare Construction slots. I hoping for those to be our actions next turn.
>>5041318>>5041429not American so I don't know what's in Arizona and what we should look at or for. I was thinking just shotgun them out in the 4 cardinal directions or send them around to the nearest population centers, or maybe just hope the travel along every interstate and major road up and down the state to see what's what. Maybe have them report back in after every stop.
>>5041641But we know where two directions lead- Phoenix is a mess of a shitshow, and I'm not enthusiastic about paying the Warden 2 MU just to explore his territory and beyond. I wouldn't have minded meeting with the Gila Bend militia, but apparently they've been dealt with (supposedly), and I'm not really sure what our policy should be regarding the Warden. Considering Casa Grande is next door to Maricopa, it's not that bad a play.I'm also wondering if we should our air force policy back to training, and keep them patrolling around Mobile and Gila Bend to avoid nasty surprises. Maybe they can also help with our scouting efforts, at least so we're not going in blind?Think more on this, would it be possible to jury-rig some of the surveillance equipment from the broken drones from the Reservation Raid to help with our aerial reconnaissance? I know the drones where busted, but maybe some of the camera equipment wasn't? I honestly don't know if this is a stupid idea or not.
>>5042548I floated getting proper camera equipment mounted on the Crop Duster before, but it didn't get any traction from anyone for some reason. Recon is absolutely the best job we can have the Duster do, taking High Fidelity images of things like Phoenix so we can figure out what the commies are up to and then relay that to the PCR would help give them an edge in the intel game and keep them in the fight longer so reds don't come and knock us down now before we've grown properly.
>>5042550I would support it
>>5042550I like that idea.In unrelated news, what's the consensus on trips? My IP and therefore ID keeps changing and I don't want to make people think there's a rig
>>5042550I think it was because we couldn't get any access to any high quality surveillance equipment before, but now we may have some access to it via the busted drones. It still may not work, but the option should at least be investigated.
>>5042684Don't let your trip be your entire identity and just act like a normal poster as if you didn't have it. Maybe change it between threads if you have to....
>>5041208>>5041429GLOBAL EVENT: 53>UNKNOWNWhen the world superpower imploded, so too did the various apparatuses that kept the smaller nations of the world from settling their scores the old fashioned way. In addition to expected areas of tension such as the Levant and Eastern Europe, regions most people hardly even think about faced escalating internal conflicts or outright states of war. When news was available (before the shutdown of global telecommunications) you recall hearing about the emergence of a massive war breaking out in the Horn of Africa region. With the major power fueled by revanchism, numerous ethnic conflicts, breakaway states, and even foreign powers looking to forcefully secure interests they feel were unjustly denied to them by the international community, you are sure it is an event that will define the region's history to come. No doubt there will be songs written about the events happening over there, be they joyful celebrations of glories earned accompanied by drink, or sorrowful dirges of the comrades lost drowned in tears.And yet here, in the collapsing badlands of Arizona, much of this is irrelevant to you. That world is ten thousand miles away, and whatever form it ends up taking is equally irrelevant to you. You wonder if this is how others see the Badlands and if it's right to feel such indifference. It certain is how man saw the world for time immemorial. Recalling this, you briefly feel like some kind of major event has happened there before focusing on more important matters (perhaps how many angels can dance on a needle's point.)>EFFECT: Unknown.LOCAL EVENT: 54>The Usual ProblemsMobile is going through a period of heavy activity. The population is growing rapidly between the Natives cardinal Mueller has been able to win over and the small horde of vagrants and other undesirables you're trying to fit into the faction. Crusaders are occupied with licking their wounds, helping train eligible newcomers (be they Native or Maricopan,) and with an extremely long overdue attempt at scouting the region beyond just Maricopa. Construction is constant as your faction builds housing for the new arrivals (who are easily outpacing the speed at which new room is being established) and attempts to augment the formerly abandoned factory. In a sense, Mobile is being stretched to the edge of its capacity.It is good, then, that there seems to be no unexpected interference from outside or spanners being tossed into the works. Externally, there seems to be a brief calm. Internally, people are currently too occupied and too tired to want to cause trouble (or if they are, they're at least keeping it to themselves). This half of the week passes without any random occurrences locally.>EFFECT: None...[1/4]
>>5044928[2/4]CONSTRUCTION SELECTED>Improved Housing: Continue improving housing to support a larger population - 50 W.P.As the influx of arrivals continues, building suitable living facilities for them is still a necessity. Space is becoming yet more limited, with the living situation being only somewhat tolerable as the vagrants have set up their own ramshackle encampments that some say will no doubt become dens of knavery if left undisturbed. Your ability to accept new followers is still limited and people are still discontented with the situation. With the focus on new constructions you are able to fairly address these concerns, even if some wish yet more was done.CONSTRUCTION SELECTED>Advanced Pharmaceutical Workshop: Allows for the production of advanced drugs. - 550 W.P. [Skilled Crew Reserved] [Partial Reimbursement On Construction]One of the casualties of the War was the collapse of the intricate, highly internationalized supply chains that brought most advanced goods or their constituent materials to the country. While the full effects of this have not yet been felt due to massive hoarding caused by Wuhan Viral Pneumonia (especially after the opposition candidate succumbed to it), many such goods are still scarce. Among these are specialized pharmaceuticals that were primarily produced overseas and which require extensive knowledge of chemistry and sufficient infrastructure to manufacture. The only areas you believe would have both the requisite human and physical capital would be the large, war-consumed population centers that have likely oriented much of their industry towards war. Despite the focus on "guns," people still need the "butter," and the need for life-saving medication is an all-consuming one people have been willing to pay handsome sums for. In short, this could be a great business opportunity.With the previous deal made with Preis, you are assured that you will be compensated upon completion and provided with skilled crew to do most of the delicate chemistry for you (as you are quite busy.) He has no reason to lie that you are aware of, so it really is just a matter of giving the project the green-light and waiting for the construction to complete. You are glad for the support and guaranteed market. Finding decent help can be quite difficult, and producing all of the goods in the world won't help one iota if you do not have a market to offload them to. That last point is especially salient given you operate a meth super-lab that churns out a massive supply of meth on an industrial scale (an easy task when you have a former chemical plant and no D.E.A. agents watching your every move) with so few regular consumers that it hardly puts a dent in production.And on the point of finding new markets...
>>5044930[3/4]OPTION SELECTED:>[Scout: Casa Grande]You decide that you really need a better idea of where exactly you are. You have woefully neglected to scout, which has contributed to the problem of the Warden to the west and which may cause yet more problems. That, and you really need to find markets for all of the drugs you're making. You will send scouts to explore the Sun Corridor south of Maricopa towards the direction of Tucson. Before doing anything concrete, you ask the Maricopans about what they know. They tell you that Casa Grande has not seemed to respond positively to previous attempts at diplomacy and have taken some kind of isolationist stance. If this is still true, standard diplomacy may not be successful, although it has been a while since any attempts were made. There is a buffer of farmland between the regions, although Casa Grande's farmland is not at the level of Maricopa's, especially along the highway connecting the regions. In any case, they tell you that Casa Grande is a sizeable community with a larger population than Maricopa, although with less farmland and perhaps a little more industrial capacity.Size:>A squad of half a dozen or so for best stealth>Half a platoon worth>An entire platoon or more for best fighting capacityApproach:>Motorized Transport over highway (zero stealth, very fast, can stow away wounded/materials, more direct/diplomatic)>Motorized Transport over desert (not so stealthy, easy to get there and get away, can stow away wounded/materials)>March on foot over desert (maximum stealth, can cover less ground, more difficult to fight/escape)Timing:>Daytime (easier to see and be seen, easier to fight at a range, almost required for real diplomacy)>Nighttime (hard to see, very hard to be seen, ranged fighting very difficult, may get lost if radios get lost/damaged)>Dusk/Dawn (daytime effect on either arrival/departure, nighttime effect on the departure/arrival)Air Support:>None (standard)>Get aerial recon (bonus to recon, major penalty to stealth, will alert people of some kind of presence)
>>5044933[4/4]General Goal:>Establish diplomatic contact with Casa Grande>Focus on getting a good look at Casa Grande from afar>Skim the southern deserts for small communities >Keep close to the Sun Corridor and detail its specific goings-on>Push as far south as possible, sacrificing detail for broad awareness>[Write-In] [Encouraged]Note that having too many or conflicting goals may result in a scattered, ineffective actionSend a Cardinal?>Yes. Will switch to his PoV and control things like the battle or diplomatic envoy [Who?]>No. No PoV switch, get this over with quickly. Less variability in how things go.Mainly, this prompt is to help you guys get an organized sort of plan as to how you're actually going to conduct this, like before. Also, since we're on page 10, the update after this will probably close out the thread.>>5041336Wait, what? Are you telling me that I shouldn't hoard my phoenix down and elixirs, even though the party's about to wipe?>>5041641It's all fine. Before doing this, I didn't actually know much of anything about Arizona other than it was a bunch of desert you had Cowboy movies set in>>5041630>we can make the chemicals that the Electric Union needs, right?Absolutely not, you guys are not at the point yet. See, they don't really want chemicals per se. What they are asking for are rare electrical materials (made of chemicals) that are difficult to manufacture. Even with upgrades to the chemical industry, there are still issues like raw material access. The raw materials that are necessary factor inputs are, in some cases, impossible to get currently. As an example, to make rubber you would either need rubber trees (which obviously don't grow in Arizona's deserts) or petrochemicals you would then have to chemically treat in a number of processes. Until you could get either a rubber tree plantation or an oil well (and necessary industry) you couldn't make that one factor input. The idea is that making certain things when supply chains have totally collapsed is very difficult, and creative chemical genius can only go so far.Finding, looting, or stealing these materials is a different thing, but just manufacturing them from trivial goods (like you can with things like rubbing alcohol) isn't feasible.>>5042684I haven't once thought you(?) have been rigging the votes. Don't sweat it.>>5042765>now we may have some access to it via the busted dronesHuh? I'm not sure what you're referring to. If you mean the loot from the Raid, well, it's not exactly yours...
>>5044933>>Half a platoon worth>>Motorized Transport over highway (zero stealth, very fast, can stow away wounded/materials, more direct/diplomatic)>>Daytime (easier to see and be seen, easier to fight at a range, almost required for real diplomacy)>>Get aerial recon (bonus to recon, major penalty to stealth, will alert people of some kind of presence)>>Establish diplomatic contact with Casa Grande>>Skim the southern deserts for small communitiesI would like to make an attempt at both.>>Yes. Will switch to his PoV and control things like the battle or diplomatic envoy [Who?]Mussela!
>>5045031Basically, with Casa Grande I'm thinking we can attempt to establish diplomatic ties and trade. Perhaps later we might can attempt to whisk away some of their dregs too? Alternatively, something I've been thinking about is establishing "missions" basically like an embassy for us, it would give us a local stronghold in areas we are dealing in that could preach, distribute food, sell medicine, and discretely sell meth as well as gather information. Perhaps a joint effort between McCoy and Yuri? We currently have an excess of followers and I expect they will continue to grow, I don't expect all of them will have good potential as front line fighting men so perhaps we can use some of them in this way? Of course we'll also need to improve our food production, or at least aquire more food producing land. Maybe we could look into large scale hydroponics? Hydroponic grows can also be tied in with fish farms, a halfway self contained system.For the small communities, maybe we can find some potential trading partners, or perhaps we can find some easy ground to diplomatically annex.
>>5044933Size:>Half a platoon worthApproach:>Motorized Transport over highway (zero stealth, very fast, can stow away wounded/materials, more direct/diplomatic)Timing:>Daytime (easier to see and be seen, easier to fight at a range, almost required for real diplomacy)Air Support:>Aerial recon (bonus to recon, major penalty to stealth, will alert people of some kind of presence)General Goal:>Skim the southern deserts for small communities (PRIORITY)>Establish diplomatic contact with Casa Grande (SECONDARY)With Casa Grande having taken an Isolationist stance I highly doubt we'll be able to make much headway in any diplomatic endeavor. We should still pop by and see if we can glean anything from them, but do it less like Commodore Perry opening up Japan for trade and more like a concerned neighbour who hasn't seen you at the last three neighbourhood BBQ's and wants to check on you to see if you're doing alright. We can even pull the "We're from Maricopa" card if it would benefit us, since that's technically not wrong.>>5045039>Alternatively, something I've been thinking about is establishing "missions"I was having thoughts in that general direction as well. We specifically should look for communities of similar size to Mobile and ask permission to establish a Church or to preach, and we send an Apostle with a small group of followers to do charity work around the community and slowly assimilate them like we did with Mobile. This will give us a larger manpower pool to draw on as we absorb more small communities and help shift the burden of our housing problem as we can shuffle followers around to where there are more housing available.Naturally before we can actually send these missions we need to establish the Seminary so the Messenger may train willing followers in the glorious art of T H E O L O G I C A L C O M B A T. If I did the calculs correctly, and if partial reimbursement means we get 50% of our resources back, we should have enough W.P next week to build both the Seminary and the Explosive Factory if we use the Cupon.>preach, distribute food, sell medicine, and discretely sell methSelling meth in small communities, no. I will admit that using meth as an incentive to draw followers from the bottom of society and turn them into productive members of our community was an excellent idea, but we should only do it in medium/large cities where it's easy to keep it on the down low. In smaller, tight-knit communities it'll be harder to keep suspicion away if we attempt to deal or tempt people with meth, and while there's a chance people might just not care at all about it, there's an equal chance that they absolutely care and I'd rather not risk us rolling the below 50 that gets us thrown out for dealing meth.
>>5045031>>5045039>>5045640Since we're close to the dreaded "Page 11", I'll take these as supporting votes and run with them to pick up the pace. By the way, the highway runs completely through Casa Grande, so that will be the first stop you guys make before anything else. It's also reasonable to assume they would be able to prevent you guys from using the highway, so you'd have to double back and drive through deserts and smaller places without a major highway if that happens.>>5045640>Commodore Perry opening up Japan for tradeI'm surprised you didn't go with the Opium Wars... Also, if you guys want to plant missionaries spread out all over the place, you probably want some actual priests and the like. Starting up a Seminary is almost required to do that kind of thing, since the faction's "cardinals" are borderline theologically illiterate.
Do we even have a trained pilot for the aerial missions?
>>5046166>It's also reasonable to assume they would be able to prevent you guys from using the highway, so you'd have to double back and drive through deserts and smaller places without a major highway if that happens.Reasonable. Best course of action would then be to head back to Maricopa and south through Stanfield and get on the I-8, which bypasses Casa Grande completely. There's a lot of smaller settlements between Casa Grande and Arizona City that could be good grounds to settle in and build a powerbase around.>>5046177We've had people train to fly the crop duster passively for a while now, to the point where we have people that can reliably use it for it's main purpose. They're not Aces, but they can keep the aircraft steady and land it safely. That's all we need here, really.
>>5046181Would this be their first real scouting mission, then? I'm not so sure about the idea of letting green recruits to scout a possibly hostile area, especially without prior scouting training which puts their reliability and capability in question. Unless you guys think that they wouldn't mind a harmless crop duster flying past, that is.To elaborate, I don't think there's much to gain from aerial scouting the place unless you were to fly low, and flying low might lead to unwanted situations if the Casa Grande folks are more hostile than perceived. If our air force isn't trained in scouting too, well, then it's going to be really tough to expect a lot of useful information, if any. Managing to fly a plane is one thing, but doing things with it is another
>>5046190I was thinking it'd be uneccessary to scout Casa Grande itself with the duster, since you know, it's a fairly large urban area. It's not like it's going to sprout legs and walk away.My assumption is it'd be used primarly to find and direct our actual scouts on the ground via radio towards smaller settlements out in the desert or along the Highway/connecting roads, since if there's anyone who'd uproot and move around during turbulent times it'd be those kinds of communities. A low fly-by at like what, 25 meters would give them a good look to see if there's actual people in a settlement or if it's just empty houses.
>>5044933>An entire platoon or more for best fighting capacity>Motorized Transport over highway (zero stealth, very fast, can stow away wounded/materials, more direct/diplomatic)>Daytime (easier to see and be seen, easier to fight at a range, almost required for real diplomacy)>Get aerial recon (bonus to recon, major penalty to stealth, will alert people of some kind of presence)>Push as far south as possible, sacrificing detail for broad awareness (Priority)>Keep close to the Sun Corridor and detail its specific goings-on (Secondary)Conflicting, I know. The way I figure it, we're not going get far enough to get somewhere big, but if we can learn the general players first, we can develop a game plan.If general scouting,>No. No PoV switch, get this over with quickly. Less variability in how things go.If we're diplomacy, POV Bob, as he developed into our diplomatic arm for our faction.I generally agree with >>5045640, though I differ in the details a bit. I think establishing missions and selling meth in bulk are of counter aims, as in communities won't appreciate how the WP are generated (i.e. though crime) for addicts to feed their addiction, which will really just turn this into a scouting mission rather than the 'exploring new markets' expedition we envision. It's probably better if we try to sell to Phoenix or Tucson, or directly to warlords/bandits under the table, not to communities per se.>>5046190If we don't use the planes, what purpose was training the pilots then? At least it'll give us forewarning of any potential ambush along the way, or of other battles which I don't involve us. I don't want to go in blind like the Phoenix raid.
>>5046181The I-8 goes though the very southern edge of Casa Grande in a similar situation to Maricopa where it goes though the sparse farmlands. It could go either way. Obviously, if the scouts see defenders on that stretch of highway or something they'll just detour through smaller routes going south, but I thought I'd just make that small clarification.>>5046190>Would this be their first real scouting mission, then?That kind of depends. Pilots were used to give a basic idea of what was going in Maricopa just after the Sierra Estrella Raid. That does count as scouting, but it was over area known to be friendly. If you mean scouting over random, unknown territory, then yes this would be their first one. Casa Grande is (until you guys scout there) unknown and possibly hostile to random planes going over their city.And yes, it's assumed they would be flying low enough to get a decent look, if the option is selected. It's also assumed that if they get shot at they'll flee back, even if they don't get any real info. 25 meters may be a little too low for comfort, but it's assumed they know what they're doing enough to not be micromanaged.
>>5046190The way i was thinking with the planes would be for general scouting of the area, not doing flybys of urban centers
>>5045031>>5045640OPTIONS SELECTED:>Half a platoon worth>Motorized Transport over highway (zero stealth, very fast, can stow away wounded/materials, more direct/diplomatic)>Daytime (easier to see and be seen, easier to fight at a range, almost required for real diplomacy)>Get aerial recon (bonus to recon, major penalty to stealth, will alert people of some kind of presence)>Establish diplomatic contact with Casa Grande>Skim the southern deserts for small communities>Yes. Will switch to his PoV and control things like the battle or diplomatic envoy [Musella]You decide that the first course of action will be to send the group directly to Casa Grande via highway. While the odds don't sound good based off of what Maricopa says, there's no reason not to take the opportunity to establish contact. The nature of this kind of approach means they will have no stealth, so you might as well have your air force (i.e. crop dusters) fly around and see if they can help gain some information. You also don't plan to use any kind of tricks such as sending the group out at night or anything like that. It should be a simple visit to Maricopa's southern neighbor followed by a general scouting of the area.For this mission, you can think of nobody better than the trustworthy Cardinal, Bob Musella.>POV SWITCH TO [D.E.A. Agent Robert "Bob Musella" Mazur]The 'Messenger' seems to have remembered your advice on exploration and has sent you to lead this scouting company. While you personally don't like being out and about in the dangerous Badlands, you do like the idea of being the first one to find other factions. One of them might even be loyal and have some way of getting you out of this situation, although you doubt you'll find anything like that with what you can only presume will be small-town hicks playing warlord in the deserts. Tucson might be a better bet, although with what you remember about the Cartel situation over there, the only D.E.A. officials you'll find might be swinging from a highway overpass. Vegas would be the gold standard if what "Ondrejko" says is true, but getting there sounds damn near impossible, and that guy is almost as untrustworthy as that "Yuri" guy. In any case, you turn your thoughts to the task at hand.You have a little over a dozen people with you. They're mostly a mix of crusaders and some Mobile Infantry with knowledge of the local area. In addition, a couple of the recently arrived Natives forming their own fighting force have asked to join. Given they probably know the area and have potentially useful language skills, you see no reason to deny their request and let them come. You're mostly armed with basic weapons and recon gear like binoculars and radios, and the hope is that you can either avoid a fight or show a decent amount of force if something happens...[1/2]
>>5046681[2/2]Your group leaves Mobile and heads to Maricopa via the 238 without incident. From there, you make your way south-east through the urban center into the slightly less nice working class areas a little way from the center to the more rural periphery. There, around the regional airport, your group pauses and goes over the plan one last time and does some final checks. You look out past some of the roadside shrubbery to the open deserts of Arizona. Somewhere out here, you'll find a way home...>NEXT TIME!And so we have concluded the venture into Phoenix (the mission on super easy mode that still got a bunch of dudes killed), the acquisition of a bunch of loyal followers (it's totally slavery guys, we pay them in meth!), and a minor disagreement between parties that was blown way out of proportion (because sometimes, the 'perfect' choice is the worst one.) Coming up should be a venturing into the desert wilderness (Mazur hoping beyond hope for a way out), a clashing of heads at a casino (because there's more going on than just what the Crusaders have sussed out), and the long awaited arrival of the POZ into Maricopa (?????????). Stay tuned for the tenth thread in this Second U.S. Civil War story!>END OF THREAD NINE [S02E03]>THANKS FOR PARTICIPATINGUsually I'd end the thread as something finishes. Recently, however, it's been at the start of something. Maybe it'll become a habit. What hopefully will not become a habit is the consistent delay between updates. I would like to think it's allowing for more votes and discussion, but that would be insincere. Really, it's on me. Besides, the quest is slow enough as is. Ah, whatever. In any case, I'll post a link to the usual Just Paste It with the OP. For reasons lost to time and liquor, I do not posts the OPs to these threads. While it is preparing, please wait warmly. Post-thread comments, discussion, shitposting, soliciting, inquisiting, clarifications, conspiring, and consubstantiating are all welcome. In any case: This Second U.S. Civil War is made possible by votes to this thread from participants like you.
>>5046684Thanks for running man, til the next thread
>>5046684Thanks for running QM!
>>5046684Damn it, I just realized that a paragraph and a bunch of formatting got eaten up by either 4chan or sloppy copy-pasta jobs on my part. Probably the latter. For instance, the jokes in parentheses were supposed to be spoilered. Oh, woe is me! Such is the price I pay for abstaining from liquor, a cross I shall have to bearAlso, the link to the next OP is the same format as usual (the usual just paste it site, slash, SunBeltCrusaders10 ) and it should probably be posted at some point, ideally when this thread has either been archived or is about to be. No rush.