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>>4965192
You are Ysanna Isard, Iceheart, or more formally, Director of Imperial Intelligence. With Pestage gathering his little council, and the Military fracturing through the rim, to defections or the creation of these so called Warlords, you've been left to a dirty galaxy to sweep up. Unfortunately, this isn't something so easily done without the compliance and safe lanes of before. Whereas just a few months prior you could have ordered aa fleet of Star Destroyers to whatever operation your bureau desires, you have only limited options of transport for your own operations. It is no matter of course, those willing to serve the Cause will be found and rallied to your own service, those who do not fall in line will pay their comeuppance when the time comes.

The plan is set, and you've gathered forces equivalent to an understrength fleet in the Rim, with cargo holds full of your latest toys. You intend to strike a blow at the forces of disorder by...

>Operation Cinder: Usage of Nightshade Satellites and Onager star Destroyers to obliterate symbolic worlds of the Rebellion, forcing other worlds to debate their seccession more carefully.

>Operation Ironclad: A mission to secure the Bellator Class, Repressor, whose Crew yas mutinied and set off towards Endor.

>>4965215
>Operation Ironclad: A mission to secure the Bellator Class, Repressor, whose Crew yas mutinied and set off towards Endor.
Cinder is when too many lean rebellion.

>>4965215
>>Operation Ironclad: A mission to secure the Bellator Class, Repressor, whose Crew yas mutinied and set off towards Endor.

>Operation Ironclad: A mission to secure the Bellator Class, Repressor, whose Crew yas mutinied and set off towards Endor.
Operation Cinder was retarded. They weren't even blowing up rebel worlds, but imperial-loyal ones.

>>4965232
Thus this one is centered on killing rebel worlds, goal is not to be full retard

>>4965215
>>Operation Ironclad: A mission to secure the Bellator Class, Repressor, whose Crew yas mutinied and set off towards Endor.
>>4965254
meh

>Operation Ironclad: A mission to secure the Bellator Class, Repressor, whose Crew yas mutinied and set off towards Endor.

Like we need to add more fuel to the fire, remember how well Alderaan went ?

>>4965215
>Operation Ironclad: A mission to secure the Bellator Class, Repressor, whose Crew yas mutinied and set off towards Endor.

>>4965215
>Operation Ironclad: A mission to secure the Bellator Class, Repressor, whose Crew yas mutinied and set off towards Endor.

>>4965276
Fair point

>Operation Ironclad:
Writing

Oh boy, here we go again!

I love how unanimously everyone decided that operation cinder, even in the "less" retarded version, is absolute shit.

>>4965324
Ngl was sorta hopin to see people obliteratin worlds lmao, but i think this combat will be just as fun.

Also apokogies for slower responses today, Im at work so will try to post in bout 1 to 2 hours,

>>4965329
No worries man. So long as we get a fun thread with only an argument or two, I'm fine with waiting a little while.

>>4965324
I mean Peace through power and all that as our good friend Kane would say but all we would accomplish would be putting ourselves (Isard) even higher up the rebels wanted war criminal list, kill hundreds of thousands possibly millions of imperial sympathisers even if we only targeted rebel hubs and waste resources and ships in a terror campaign when there are far better things we could be doing to consolidate our position.

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"We shall commence Operation Ironclad, the consequences of letting the Rebellion acquire a Star Dreadnought would be horrendous for our defenses, and if the Admiralty won't move, we will."

a Cacophony of "Yes Ma'ams" Fill the room, as your staff begin moving the preparations and sending out orders. You reread the plan, and hope the forces you're scraping together will be enough to face the ship and at least disable it before they're wiped out. At least it should keep the council sated that you're still moving.

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You are Slythas Caime, and you are in the middle of a set of Decisions. You are currently under the employ of the Figg Conglomerate, defending their integral lands. The issue at hand causing a flurry of activity, is a large New Republic Fleet advancing on your position to liberate this region of space form you. You and the force deciding to stay are currently a force of light carriers and picket vessels, standing to fight off Battleships and Carriers soon.

You have been given alternatives however. You've been offered a spot in an unknown faction of the Navy currently gathering at Anaxes, as well as a gig with Imperial Intelligence, offering you a Vindicator Heavy cruiser Command, in exchange for joining their upcoming operation, with no details given so far on what it'd be. You are tempted to stay and at least bloody the Reb's noses.

>We will stand and do what we can against those rebels.

>I want to return to the core, let's go see what those mystery men at Anaxes are

>The Spooks have bought my loyalty with that Cruiser, let's head out to the rendesvous.

for note, the Figgs are currently in a paralysis and have not responded to hails beyond a "wait for orders"

>>4965417
>The Spooks have bought my loyalty with that Cruiser, let's head out to the rendesvous.
Methinks we reached a decision in the old thread.

>>4965417
>"wait for orders"
>"Then we shall wait for those orders."
>In the meantime prepare for hit and run tactics and start planning retreat routes.
>"If we have to wait for too long excecute the plans."

>>4965428
People seemed rather split to me, so I wanted to double check

>>4965433
To reiterate my reasoning, we have nothing to gain and everything to lose by fighting here, and working for the ISB would also solve the (very small) problem of possibly losing face.

>>4965417
>The Spooks have bought my loyalty with that Cruiser, let's head out to the rendesvous.

>>4965417
>>The Spooks have bought my loyalty with that Cruiser, let's head out to the rendesvous.

Sounds like the figgs are going to give up. Can we at least replenish our fighters before we go?

And offer to let the general hitch a ride, contact the duchess etc

>>4965417
>The Spooks have bought my loyalty with that Cruiser, let's head out to the rendesvous.

BUT, You have to remember this, we're going to call the duchess. God knows when, and if we'll return. We should convince her to bail and come with us on a trip. Use all our good ol' charm, she can expand her connections over yonder and if the rebels decide they don't want her family in power she'll have a backup place all ready.
>Invite Duchess to come Along

>>4965449
Based and gentleman pilled, support.


>The Spooks have bought my loyalty with that Cruiser, let's head out to the rendesvous.

>>4965417
>>The Spooks have bought my loyalty with that Cruiser, let's head out to the rendesvous.

Seems to me that whats left of the ISB is more focused on Big Picture Operations then the others, probably a good idea to help them.

>>4965449
+1
But can we also throw in contacting the rebel fleet and ‘leaving’ in exchange for the assurance of safe and humane treatment of the civilians and peoples of the world we are leaving. This would be so we can have a video to release in case the Rebels go genocidy to bloody their reputation as for the people, raise our reputation as a good officer in the eyes of civis and Rebs while saving face with imperials too by being seen as not cowardly but caring for the civilians we protect more than our honor

>>4965482
Eh...no

I think we should use the duchess coming with us as the excuse. Contacting the rebel would just make us look like a weak willed traitor, but if we say "oh noo the duchess is going to be attacked, we have to leave, bye' then people won't question it.

>>4965485
>Contacting the rebel would just make us look like a weak willed traitor
I concur. No need need to tell them what they didn't ask, much less make them promise to do what they're probably gonna do anyway.

>>4965486
Convincing the duchess to come with us also allows us to portray it as an 'ooh nooo, we really wanted to fight but i really gotta protect my waif- i mean the duchess'

They won't think more of us for it, but they're not going to question it.

>>4965449
+1

>>4965449
+1 to this

Maybe we could be Errol Flynn in Imperial grey, maybe get a holovid or three made of us.

>>4965511
>Well look who's gonna become a pirate

>>4965417
>We will stand and do what we can against those rebels.

The Figgs will only fight if we stay and fight. I am however looking forward to the upcoming Imperial Intelligence mission.

Is our Headache Frigate depicted? I wanna make sure our fleet is accurately depicted.

>>4965433
If it possible to use our influence to contract what remains of the Imperial Intelligence fleet after this intelligence mission and fight the rebels at Figg space if reasonably feasible? I'd personally hate to give the rebellion free territory without a fight.

>>4965449
Not to be antagonistic, but I do hope the Duchess doesn't take us up on the offer. It seems like she's become a minor obsession with some of the anons here, and while I originally advocated banging her, I don't want waifu autism to ruin this quest lads.

>>4965690
Your plan is stupid and this is even stupider, 'obsession'? Do you even know what waifu autism is.

>>4965692
Yes, and it's clear that your sperging out over nothing yet again.

My plan is bloodthirsty, but it isn't stupid until the QM weighs in on it. Try to be less childish before the QM responds to my plan, as I don't really live in the SW Universe and thus would like some input from an in-universe perspective.

>>4965192
>The Spooks have bought my loyalty with that Cruiser, let's head out to the rendesvous.
Giga-brain play is to load up on as many soldiers as possible to capture the dreadnaught.

>>4965696
Thats not how it works anon, the QM doesnt just rate plans, he makes them. We are choosing for Caime, as if we were him.

>The Spooks have bought my loyalty with that Cruiser, let's head out to the rendesvous.

>Invite Duchess to come Along

Writing

>>4965703
I think you're the one that doesn't understand how this works, anon. I still prefer the QM's thoughts on the matter.

>>4965709
How doesnt it? Did you see the previous. thread? The QM doesnt say 'this post is good' he just writes it out

>>4965716
You're confusing opinion with feasibility. I want his input on the feasibility of such a plan, not whether we should commit to it or not.

>>4965724
It's the same thing.

>>4965726
It actually isn't.

>>4965726
>>4965734
the fuck are you two bumbling idiots talking about?

>>4965737
>calls us bumbling idiots
>doesn't understand what we were talking about

Can't get any more funny unless you an actual projector anon.

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>>4965738
I see what you're talking about but it's pretty dumb.

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You decide to get going while the going is good, and make a last call to the Duchess, trying to implore her to leave with you.

"I would love to go off galivanting with you, but as things are, I am the head of the House, and I need to tend to my family's needs here. If things were to change though, I will find you in the core, or when your dashing heroic fleet returns to liberate us."

>Accept she can't come

>Try to persuade her(If so, what do you say, or how?)

>write-ins?

>>4965775
For notes on her family business, you know she is the head of a large and profitable agricultural business, as well as a sizable Black market operation to bolster her family's pockets. She is saying she needs to stay here to help run it. You know she has other family members her age, but have remained rather inactive in the family business

>>4965775
>Accept she can't come

We'll meet her when we can. Now, back to our mission!

>>4965775
>>Accept she can't come
>Dramatically promise that we'll be back

>>4965775
>Accept she can't come

>>4965775
>>Accept she can't come
>"I'll be back"

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>>4965807

>>4965775
>Accept she can't come
>Declare that we will come back one day, when things are better.

>>4965775
>>Accept she can't come

>>4965775
>>Accept she can't come
>write-ins?
Tell her to stay safe. The rebels likely have no time to go rooting out every single imperial connection planetside in the middle of a civil war. Knowing this, I suggest leveraging the "I'm in the black market business do you really think I am colluding with the imperials who would probably arrest me?" angle if they start looking too closely. Best case scenario maybe get a couple of your black market buddies to set up a fake rebel cell and feed them bad info/act as spies for us. Their main forces are led by idealistic fools with too little understanding of the galaxy's nuances and they are more than likely willing to take any "help" they can get.

>>4965819
Finally, we get a pic of the MC

>>4965775
Kidnap her sister

>>4965775
>Accept she can't come

>>4965807
>>4965819
+1

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>>4965738
Fuck! how did you know?!

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You understand her plight, and exchange some final farewells before you close communications and go to make more calls. You call up your Friendly General from Cloud City, and he soon has his own units loading up to join you. They fill in the troop bays of your Acclamator and bring their Transports along with you.

Your fleet leaves within 40 Hours of planning your move, and begin your multi week Journey. You see the holonet light up as well with news reports of Task Force Palico which stayed behind, defecting and handing the world over to the Rebs, a moderate irritation, and you find yourself hoping your Duchess is ok.

After 1 month has passed you arrive to the Intelligence rendesvous, and see a fleet you didnt expect. A relatively sparse force, your fleet is signaled in to form the right wing picket of the fleet, consisting of an ISD I, an ISD II, and a vessel identified as an Onager-Class, with a wicked looking pair of Cannons running the length of the vessel down the center. Your Star destroyer you've been assigned to as Picket Lead, is the Exactor, a vessel with a service history just after the Empire's formation. One of the Oldest ISDs in the fleet, impressive to see the old machine still going.

You also see your new Vessel there adjacent to Exactor, the Vindicator curiously without a name, which you presume is yours. You are receiving several comms requests, one from Exactor, one from the Onager. Who do you take first?

>Leave em on hold, I'm going to my new ship!

>Take Onager's Call

>Answer to Exactor.

>>4966371
>Take Onager's Call
Big boss first.

>>4966378
+1 to this, gotta curry favor like we're an Indian restaurant.

>>4966371
>Take Onager's Call
Let's see what the chief wants.

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>>4966371
>Answer to Exactor.

Isn't this our boss?

>>4966339
Us old tech got to stick together, ya hear?

>>4966371
>>Take Onager's Call

>>4966371
>>Take Onager's Call

>>4966371
>Take the Onager's call

>>4966371
>>Answer to Exactor.

>>4966371
>Take Onager's Call

>>4966415
Centre of the fleet and the one with the biggest guns, probably the boss. Or maybe not, guess we'll find out soon.

>>4966371
>Answer to Exactor
Maybe we shouldn't always jump to the big fish first, and talk to the little ones and maybe they have some info that can help us out.

>>4966371
>Take Onager's Call

>>4966774
+1

It seems we always fuck ourselves by jumping to the biggest fish. It would've been handy knowing there was a sekret mission before promising to bloody the enemy, ya?

>>4966371
Actually, yeah, switching my vote to...
>Answer to Exactor.

>>4966820
My original vote.

>Answer to Exactor

>>4966774
Screw it, switching to this.
>Answer to Exactor

>Answer to Exactor

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You decide to answer hails from the Exactor, finding he likely will be in charge of you since you are his picket.

Upon picking up the Call, you receive the image of the Exactor's Captain. Just as his vessel is old, it's captain is old, and something about him is off.

"Good afternoon, Commander Caimes. It's a pleasure to meet you, I am Captain Cuner, of Imperial Intelligence, and baving read your file, I think you'll fit right in for this mission."

Ah, he's with Intelligence, that'd explain it. Looking him over, you can see his stance is different from a Navy officer at attention, as well as his much different uniform, and what seems to be a very nonstandard pistol in his holster. The man is obviously Republic vintage by the color of his hair, but he still seems like he's fit enough to brawl with the average stormtrooper.

You decide to stick it polite with your reply"It's an honor to be chosen Captain, but I must say, I haven't been informed of what the mission truly is, will you be able to brief me on it currently?"

You see him studying you, but its less inspecting you like a Captain normally would of new subordinates, more like he's probing you, looking for a sign of weakness. He seems to take what you ask in for a second before snapping out of his gaze and replying.

"Ah, the mission. The Fleet Commander will brief all involved captains later in the day, once all remaining ships have arrived, but until then, I can pass you the dossier on the mission. Save your Questions for the Commander, she'll give you more answers then me."

>yes sir, will do.(Cut the transmission)

>continue the conversation,(if so, what do u want to talk on?)

>>4967319
>yes sir, will do.(Cut the transmission)
Let's go talk with the onager now

>>4967345
+1

>>4967319
>>yes sir, will do.(Cut the transmission)

>>4967319
>>yes sir, will do

>>4967345
+1

>>4967345
+1 to this

>>4967319
>yes sir, will do.(Cut the transmission)
Funny thing about Intelligence Agencies, they usually only know the whole of something through the sum of it's parts.
With that out of the way AAAAAAAA I'M LATE!

>>4967345
+1

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After some quick customary greetings end the meeting, you close down the channel, and open up the message from the Onager. You are surprised to see a navy ensign, with a message to have you launch in a shuttle over and meet with him. Soon after, you have a shuttle readied for transport over. You embark in a full uniform, looking to impress, and when you get over. you are escorted by black coated stormtroopers, some special force that must be a flex of authority by the Commander to impress you.

It more intimidated you, since they didn't respond to anything after informing you to follow them.

Once you are waiting for them in the briefing room, you crack open the Dossier, and see 3 sections earmarked: "Target", "Operation", and "Contingencies"

You probably should begin reading one of those to go in informed on some of this, which would you want to start on?

>Target
>Operation
>Contingencies.

>>4967722
>Operation, then Target, then Contingencies

Hey, it can't hurt to get the whole picture. And if we can at least have an idea about the operation, we can get some ideas to include for the upcoming operation.

>>4967722
>>Contingencies.

>>4967732
Support

>>4967732
I like this order, so +1 just so we don't have to vote on it after we read though the first one.

>>4967732
+1
And for >>4967736 reasons

>>4967722
Supporting >>4967732

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The Operation is laid out as an ambush, with Exactor Group as Force A, the ISD II and it's escorts will be Force B, and the Onager is Force C. It appears the operation involves many more vessels arriving, and you are fighting a... rebel star Dreadnought? Your Forces A and B will be deploying to encircle this supposed rebel fleet, destroying the escort forces, while attempting to drop the shields of the Dreadnought. After the shields are down, Force C is to enter the fray and use it's REDACTED to break apart the vessel.

The target section reports that the enemy is the Bellator-Class, Repressor, which ahs had it's battlegroup defect, sinking any loyalist vessels and making best speed to Endor. The enem fleet consists of defector vessels and rebel forces snowballing with it along the way. The goal is to intercept and sink it before it can arrive to the Rebellion and give them a powerful tool.

The Contingencies section is mostly redacted, however sections in it suggest casualties within acceptable parameters are 70 to 80%, so long as the Onager can get a clear shot into the Bellator. It is noted that if the Onager sinks or is otherwise rendered inoperative, the objective is changed to... Destroy the Onager's remains, and evacuate the area? Unusual orders, but Intelligence must have their reasons.

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As you read through the Dossier, you see more Captains and commanders enter the room, seeing Captain Cuner and several other Intelligence men, as well as a smattering of other navy men, who mostly seat around you, while the Intel men gather amongst themselves.

Eventually, the Commander arrives, an Imperial Admiral in pristine uniform, who takes a position between the Navy officers and Intelligence spooks.

"Gentlemen, I am Admiral Barrow Oicunn, and today, the Intelligence office has gathered you men here for this operation on the basis of your loyalty to the Empire, and your service records have shown your worth to our cause. As I am sure you all ahve received the Dossier and read them through by now..."

You see several more disheveled Navy officers glance at yours with a nervous look that tells you exactly how much they've read.

"You all know our current operation is to sink a defector Dreadnought. This mission will be hard and deadly, one I expect not all of us present will return from, but it is of the utmost importance to Galactic Security. The Empire wants, no... NEEDS this Blight on our loyalty removed from the Galaxy, to remind them we are the ones in control!"

Oh. This guy is a fanatic type, like the stiffs back in the academy. Not the ones you got along with best during your time, mostly because they tended to be either male or uninterested in your advances.

"Before we get to detailing the more minute portions of this operation, does anyone have any questions regarding it?"

>Ask away, any details or requests you may have can be answered now, maybe he will give away some of the Redacted intel.

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>>4967907
>suggest casualties within acceptable parameters are 70 to 80%
>fanatic commanding officer

mfw

>>4967907
>Ask if there are any more forces expected to join up with us in anticipation of this, and if there is some way to reduce casualties down

I mean, an acceptable casualties rate of 70 to 80% might be barely acceptable for the short term, but right now, things might very well go absolutely sideways, and the loss of Imperial manpower and materiel could prove disasterous.

>>4967907
>What do we know about the enemy? (As in, the people, the commander,etc)
>Are there any specific orders, other than in the operation dossier?
>How much freedom will be each task force given in relation to maneuver tactics?
I'm thinking that, being the ones to go by the side, we could, after giving some breathing room by destroying the escorts, or at least a fair portion of them, we could have our tie bombers, y-bombers and interdictors run a carpet operation on the bellator. The Interdictor, which we should have on our new ship, has not only torpedoes of the usual sort, but a dual-linked bay with a great amount of either proton or torpedo bombs.

A full clear bombing run from an interdictor/y-wings/tie bomber combo, most specifically with our proton or torpedo bombs, could tear the bellator apart. Well, tear it apart enough to let the onager give it a shot.

Then you add in our acclamator's torpedoes, and we have quite a good situation on our hands. IF, We play it good. We can't allow our forces to get decimated by their main guns.

Speaking of them, QM, which armament will you go for the bellator? Like, how much point defense?

>>4967924
>torpedo bombs
stupid, i meant ion

Quite powerful, those things.

>>4967907
For real now...
>'I noticed there are a lot of boarding shuttles on our flank. Are we intending on boarding the enemy Repressor? If so, I take it we ought to clear the enemy screens to make way for them, yes?'

>>4967924
...?

Our new Flagship isn't an interdictor, it is a Vindicator. It has a good balance of turbolasers and point defence and can carry 72 starfighters.

>>4967924
>>4967935
Oh nvm, I forgot about our new starfighters as part of the deal, nvm, I'm dumb.

Wait, nevermind, I'm stupid, those are army transports for the 10000 men we took from Bespin, and then Figg territory, ignore me.

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>>4967914
"I Trust my loyalty will not be an issue, Commander?

>>4967917
"Our current force is a small price to pay to remove the Repressor from the Board, I trust you all will agree in this"

>>4967924
"The Enemy commander is a traitorous worm, nothing more must be said of his character. He is noted as being distinguished in quelling several rebellions in the Core."

"Your orders are to mainly get the shields down, and use your fighters to screen enemy bombers. your Forces A and B are to intercept and prevent any attacks on Force C, using your vessels as a shield if you must!"

"Each Task force is subordinate to it's Star Destroyer captain, so I trust you will follow his initiatives. Freedom will be relative to him, to more basically answer your question."

>>4967934
>>4967951
"I'm glad you remembered your task force composition, thank you."

>>4967907
>>Ask away, any details or requests you may have can be answered now, maybe he will give away some of the Redacted intel.
What is the possibility of boarding it?

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>>4967975
"With the addition of the legion you've brought, plus our additional Star destroyer forces, there is theoretically a chance should the enemy vessel be disabled. To get the Bellator to the point of full disabling though, I believe our losses would be too high, as that would involve massed Fire from all ISDs to disable the vessel. Boarding while it is operation would mean we cannot sink it without harming our own forces, and would result in the enemy likely recognizing this and acting offensively with the ship to inflict maximum damage."

>>4967973
What's our intel on the enemy force? Does Repressor have any known weaknesses ?

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"I believe that should conclude our questions section, gentlemen. I request you return to your stations, and begin preparations for this great undertaking. We will be remembered as the men who saved the Empire for this, I promise you that!"

With that, your lot of officers, already sick of the theatrics, stand and get ready to leave, when one of the more sly looking officers leaves you a holopad to meet him aboard his vessel, the Victory Class, Insatiable. Part of force B.

>Ignore the request

>Go see what he could want

>Try to find someone to give the Rebel intel to. If so,who?h0twm

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>>4968036
"Missed this one. No weaknesses are known, and the Vessel is believed to have access to shipments of newer TIE/Ds and TIE/AGs for its usage before it abandoned us. We believe it's regular shipment of Pilots mostly aligned with the captain, and remain composed mainly of Interceptors and TIE/LNs, along withwhatever rebel craft he has gathered so far.

We do not believe he has Capitol ships with him beyond screening ships and pickets, which shoul leave it equal in power to our force.

>>4968043
>>Go see what he could want

If we give the intel to someone it should be to an intel officer we know personally who can carry us with him/her so to speak as they ascent the ranks due to our intel, plus it'll help for them to know we are useful and to want to keep us around at their side.

>>4968043
>Go see what he could want
Something tells me he's up to no good. Better check him out, and bring some bodyguards along.

>>4968043
>>Go see what he could want

>>4967907
>Ask away, any details or requests you may have can be answered now, maybe he will give away some of the Redacted intel.
Enemy fighter composition? Enemy escort details? Friendly fighter details? Also make a point of mentioning we're using rebel pattern fighters, check IFF systems

>>4968066
He already answered some of that.

>>4968075
I know I didn't update

>>4968066
I mean, the escort details are right in the pic above detailing the enemy fleet. 3 assault frigate mk 1's, 4 strike cruisers, a bunch of CR90's, nebulons, and lancers.

>>4967864
Interesting plan, though it looks like this is going to cost a lot. What are the odds on us disabling the engines I wonder? The escorts don't seem to much of an issue, it's the big ship itself that's out problem.

>>4968043
>Go see what he could want

>>4968043
>Go see what he could want

This is going to be another Bespin isn't it? Let's hope our entire force won't die in the attempt, and hope we don't fail in the eyes of Imperial Intelligence.

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>>4968081
thats the guesstimate of the operation so far at least, could be differenti n pracetice.

>>4968109
The Engines could be disabled once the shields are down, but given the Dreadnought's maneuverability and escorts, they may be able to properly defend the rear weakspot of the ship.

>>4967864
So realistically, we should expect just our flagship and Ton Flak to make it out of this, give or take an escort or two? Maybe we should have stayed to fight the rebels in Figg space.

>>4968190
Why can't the ships fire at each other at longer distances? Sure they can doge it but it would force them to mess up their formation and spend time maneuvering.

>>4968043
>Go see what he could want
>Discretely find a member of imperial intelligence who could make good use of the intelligence while ensuring we reasonably benefit. Perhaps Captain Cuner?
The longer we hold onto the rebel intel the less useful it will become, also the more likely we piss off our fellow imperials for sitting on it. Maybe we get lucky and can immediately hand it off to our benefit and it has critical information on the defecting SSD we are here to kill.

>>4968292
because the Dreadnought would win a range battle like that if you entered a long range gunfight.

>>4968325
Why isn't it shooting at us? Its throwing away its advantage over its biggest threat by letting us close in.

>>4968361
We ain't in the battle yet lad.

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After arriving back to your old Carrier, you begin orders to have key personnel,. like your CO and Chatterbox's squadron restationed to your Vindicator, then take another Shuttle out, to meet this other officer. Upon closer inspection, you notice his vessel is one of the Crimson Victories, built of Havod, resulting in a Crimson red hull. Rather striking, if you must say so.

Once your shuttle touches down, you are escorted to the man's briefing room, where to your surprise, every other Navy officer is here.

The current roster of Imperial officers you recollect after some time socializing, is :

Captain Nahrol of the ISD II Skulltaker, part of Force B

Captain Nidus, who called the meeting, captain of the Crimson Command Victory, 72X

Commander Brannoch of the Arquitens squadron in Force B

Captain Filph of the Dreadnought Pairing.

After some introductions, Nidus does call the meeting to attention.

"Officers of the Navy, you may have noticed there is a key group missing from this assembly I've gathered here. No spooks here to give us trouble for what we say, I promise that. Have any of you worked for the Intelligence Bureau like this before?"

a wave of collective noes bounds through the room, and soon he continues on his explanation.

"That's because they grab people like us for these high casualty missions, Officers with something bad in their File that can be seen as an embarrassment, and wouldn't be too missed in the schemes of the Higher-ups. I've been on another mission, to Hutt Space to clean out a growing Pirate fleet. They throw some gung ho Fanatic like our glorious admiral, and they lead the men into the Slaughter. My ship barely escaped the last mission intact enough to limp out of Hutt Space, and I expect them to try similar shit today. Now that you have this info, we need solutions, gentlemen. How the Hell do we get out of this alive?"

>Voice ideas?

>Wait to see what anyone else says

>>4968470
>By ambushing the Star Dreadnought in an asteroid field.
>By voting the most senior and experienced officer of us as leader of this operation.
>"We need competence, not fanaticism"

>>4968470
>Wait to see what anyone else says

I’m not sure what would be a halfway decent idea that would avoid the Dreadnought’s fury and the Spooks getting on our ass, but maybe instead of attacking the flanks of the rebel fleet, we instead try and act ‘overzealous’, doing a drive by of the flanks and continuing to the rear, where the enemy firepower is weakest, and hammer their ass while the dreadnought tries to maneuver to take potshots at us (and we maneuver to remain on their ass) or they decide to take the bait and focus their fire on the center force where our glorious admiral is. Keeps us out of the worst of the fight if we can manage it while making it look like we’re completing our objectives.

>>4968488
I don’t think your ideas are going to work at all, but I like your hutzpah laddie.

>>4968470
Pilot a suicide ship into the enemy rebel flag ship packed with bombs and blow it up.

Give the rebels a taste of their own shit.

>>4968470
Do we have any interdiction assets? We could set an interdiction field in a nebula to take down their shields, spooks said they just needed one shot right? Alternatively we could cover the zone with warheads and set them off when they come out of hyperspace

>>4968470
Hyperspace Ram a ship into it

>>4968507
This seems like a good idea, supporting. I'd also suggest driving through their escorts, it'll hopefully nullify the dreadnoughts firepower from any friendly fire risks. There's not much we can do with our fighters until we get behind it, which is annoying, but it certainly beats 70-80% casualties.

>>4968509
While I’d love to do this, this whole meeting is about not wanting to suicidally charge the enemy force. Plus, we’d need something the size of a Star Destroyer to even make a dent in the Repressor, something we don’t have personally nor would anybody here would like to lose I imagine. If you can convince Admiral Fanatic to give up one of the Spook ships, then we’d be talking.

>>4968519
I assume that the Admiral won’t be committing to a nebula ambush, and instead intends us to bash the enemy forces with brute force, using Force A and B as sacrificial lambs to take down the Repressor‘s shields.

Assume we only have our half of Force A and the majority of Force B working with us to survive the battle. That gives us an ISD II, a Victory, a squadron of 4 Arquitens, and one Dreadnought, two if that Captain commands the pair of them, in addition to our own force. Also assume that the Spooks will be leading both pickets, so we’ll likely have to find a way to deal with them somehow without getting killed by their orders.

>>4968522
I’ll agree that keeping the rebel escorts between Repressor and our fleets will help us out somewhat, but I’m still expecting us to take one hell of a punch.

>>4968532
How does hyper space work in SW? What if we had a ship plot a Hyper space path through the big ship?

>>4968548
>What if we had a ship plot a Hyper space path through the big ship?

The Holdo maneuver? That Disney bullshit that fucks with combat mechanics and the Star Wars cannon as a whole? Won’t work here, otherwise big capital ships like the Repressor or the Death Star become obsolete, it undercuts the Rebel’s and Luke Skywalker’s Death Star run and all other battles involving hyperspace fighters, and any old terrorist with a droid and a hyperdrive fighter can effectively gut entire planets. That shit’s retarded as all hell, so no, we’re not using Disney Star Wars as the basis for our combat strategy.

>>4968470
>Our maneuverability is probably greater than the Repressor, maybe we could all pile on one flank, take down its shields and all target the turbolaser batteries on the flank facing us thus avoiding some of the damage we would otherwise take by essentially damage-racing the enemy. Any shield piercing ordinance like proton torpedoes or anything that a ray shielding won't affect would be helpful in this regard, we could start destroying their weapons before we even pierce their shields.

>Hypothetically we could tow asteroids into the ambush point if we have enough time, using our tractor beams we could use them as cover or send them on a preemptive collision course with where the enemy fleet and the Repressor are going to end up at.

>Perhaps via some advocacy to the Admiral or by deliberately not advancing we could have Force C advance first instead with the Admiral attempting to lead by example or have him attempt a last ditch effort to complete his mission, thusly sacrificing his force first by having him take the brunt of the fire while we complete the plan as normal. Though this seems uncertain to work and largely is to save us from the brunt of the dying.

>Maybe we can fake a mass defection in order to gain a positional advantage in a vulnerable spot out of the arcs of fire of the Repressor or to get close enough to attempt a mass boarding.

I dunno, these are just some random ideas I thought of.

>>4968507
To add to this, we could attempt a microjump with our forces to behind the Repressor, take both the spooks and the rebels by surprise. We’d avoid the worst of the punishment, at the cost of pissing off the spooks and the admiral, but if we succeed in this mission I bet all we’ll face are some background grumbling. We’ll at least force the rebels on the back foot and have them choose where they will send their fighters. With any luck, we can pick off their fighter craft with our concentrated fighter and escort force.

>>4968588
I like the hutzpah, but the only viable plan would be the flanking one, as I doubt the viability of moving fields of asteroids, the admiral moving Force C up with [REDACTED], and somehow faking mass defections then attempting a massive boarding action. I don’t think Admiral Fanatic here or the spooks will really sign off on any of this, including the concentrated flanking action.

>>4968598
Well, I like the micro-jump idea, we've used it to good effect before.

>>4968507
>>4968598
And maybe we can use our Rebel Intel as a bargaining chip with Imperial Intelligence afterwards, in some capacity. I sure we could get something from this.

>>4968603
Ye. After we’ve taken positions behind the Repressor, we’ll be a major pain to remove with our superior maneuverability.

>>4968560
Hey I never watched more than like 4 star wars movies here and there, Idk wtf the nu-cannon is.

I have a plan of what to do.

Give me some time, i'm going to draw it up. These plans aren't going to work. Asteroid field? What makes you think an bellator can fit in one? It's a stupid plan

>>4968604
Whatever we do I just want to make use of the intel soon, I kept trying to hand it off all of last thread but anons for some reason held on to it under the hope that we could decrypt it ourselves. Sure the QM said we could, but he also said it'd take a long time. Intel loses value the more time passes and the more outdated it gets. Not to mention us decrypting it ourselves doesn't change much, its intrinsic value as data aside, its primary value to us is a Influence and Rep cash-in.

>>4968606
I thought you were intentionally shitposting, my bad man. Ramming the Repressor with a hyperdive isn’t feasible, for the sake of our sanity.

>>4968608
Because Star Destroyers can literally just vaporize asteroids in their path to make room for them to move, they literally do this in The Empire Strikes Back.

>>4968610
While I agree with you, what use would the Navy have for the intel? I think the spooks would put more value in it, and thus a bigger reward for turning it in.

>>4968612
Yes, but Bellators are stupidly big, there is no meteor ring they could fit in, and furthermore, it's a stupid plan because it would be funneling us, with our large vessels, into a single lane. It would make killing us easy.

We need to get them in open space. And i know just how to. Just give me some time, i'm going to draw up the plan. I need to see which force is which and what they have. I mean, are we A or B?

>>4968618
We are A, and the rest of these Navy officers form the majority of Force B.

>>4968614
I'm not sure where you got that I wanted to hand it off to the Navy, I wanted to hand it to Imperial Intelligence.

>>4968618
I'm not advocating for the asteroid field ambush plan, it isn't like we can force them to path into an asteroid field anyways.

We are Force A, we are the picket lead, meant to defend our superiors in the ISDs.

>>4968625
You mean to that messenger spook? Nah, I want to make sure it’s someone high up, that way we can actually get a reward from this semi-quickly. Less bureaucratic bullshit to wade though now.

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>>4968611
I just really like how terrifyingly cool relativistic bombs are.

>>4968629
Not that guy, he was literally just a messenger, just someone high up enough that he/she will want to reward us and keep us around as we ride the coattails of their success/ascendancy from the intel we give them. If we can be the go-to guy to a decently competent intel person who is already sort-of someone of relative importance (like one of the intel guys captaining one of the ISDs) then we can get a personal contact and develop a mutually beneficial relationship.

Furthermore, handing the intel to a higher up doesn't necessarily speed up the processing of it. Remember, they don't know how important the intel is or isn't, it is encrypted, it will still have to be processed and analyzed by lower level analysts and go through the intelligence gathering/dissemination cycle, managers aren't doing the analyzing.

>>4968633
Terrifyingly cool, maybe. But it makes for a boring story if we can just wipe planets with a single missile strike.

>>4968636
Well, would you like to give Captain Cuner the rebel intel before or after the battle where one of us fucks the other over? While I would like to get in good with the spook, you heard what Captain Nidus said, the spooks think we’re expendable.

>>4968650
Taking your question literally, before we fuck each other over, maybe he'll be more incentivized to keep us around. But for real, if they consider us expendable, that isn't going to change with most of the other intel people we'll meet, high risk, high reward. We may as well demonstrate our value in the hopes they start to consider us a re-usable, valuable asset.

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My plan is almost raedy, but what are those big spheres? They're not shield generators, obviously, but i don't know what they are. They're space, right? You know, inside the ship, not something of utility.

>>4968658
If you want to do it before, sure, I’ll support it. Lets just hope this doesn’t end too badly for us then.

>>4968661
I assume they are the reactors lad, at the bottom of the ship.

>>4968667
Alright, if so, then i believe i have a complete plan. Prepare for the image dump.

>>4968661
The Bellators sacrificed their ability to carry starfighters for the ability to lug around a xbox HUEG Power Core.

>>4968676
>>4968661
Wait no, I might have mistaken that for the Allegiance class. But still the point remains, they're probably much larger power cores.

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As always, feel free to point out any mistakes and problems or ideas.

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>>4968688
If i missed any shield generators, let me know. I think those are all of them.

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>>4968691
I do believe the other captains will have their own fighters. Our force should be used more for our strikes than anything else, since we have the bombers.

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>>4968694
I forgot to crop this one. Just ignore the emptiness.

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>>4968691
>>4968688
It's a good start. Without shields it'll consistently get damaged, Although if it does have fighter bays I do recommend taking them out after the shields are gone to strip the ship of it's own potential fighter/bomber support.

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>>4968696
I'm going to go ahead and say they aren't going to literally sacrifice us and will, in fact, shoot with the onager. It's said to have a stupidly high range, so it should be able to sit just outside the battle and fire the moment we report the shields are down.

In the end, i do believe this is a good way to target them. Destroy the shield generators, chatterbox will be good at escorting those interdictors. The Ion Bombs should also deal some heavy damage to the bridge, since qui gon jinn said that if you spread them accross an entire planet, an ion bomb could effectively destroy it.

>>4968699
It does, but it would be impossible to take them out with bombers, since it's in the bottom. It's also obviously going to be much better protected. The fighters will obviously scramble as soon as they're able and the battle starts, which is before we strike with our fighters.

Furthermore, the moment the shields are gone we GTFO. The Onager is going to blow it all up, did you forget? The one led by Ysanna. The Fanatic is just a messenger and an overall leader, not the big admiral who owns the onager itself.

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>>4968706
>It does, but it would be impossible to take them out with bombers, since it's in the bottom. It's also obviously going to be much better protected. The fighters will obviously scramble as soon as they're able and the battle starts, which is before we strike with our fighters.
That's fair, I was simply bringing it up as a potential target of opportunity. Damn shame we don't have in Indicator in our own fleet.

So I have to point some things out.

One, we are not in command of this task force, the admiral is, so our control of the battle is limited to our own forces, though we may be able to suggest this to the assembled naval officers in front of us or to the admiral.

Two, those globes are often said by fans to be shield generators because in A Return of the Jedi right after they are blown up there is a scene of either an imperial officer or Admiral Ackbar (I forgot which) saying "their shields are down" or "our shields are down" and then they do their kamikaze thing or something. However I think in one or more of the books (I can't remember which, it may be either the Imperial sourcebook or the essential guide to warfare or perhaps one of the incredible cross-section books) with diagrams of the star destroyers they are actually sensor towers and the shield generators are internal.

>>4968706
??? Why would it being at the bottom prevent it from being bombed. That isn't how space works, there is no up or down in space. The bombs may or may not be dumb fired (I forgot) but they MUST be launched, not merely dropped with the force of gravity, we aren't on a planet. So all they would have to do is turn "upside down" and shoot their bombs "upwards" to hit the bottom of the ship.

Also, a reminder of how shielding works in star wars. Ray shielding deflects lasers and blasters, Particle shielding deflects "physical" attacks like meteorites, missles, railgun fire, bullets, etc. Crucially, they CANNOT both be used at the same time, they for whatever reason must be alternated if you want to use them both, using one makes you vulnerable to the other. This may come in handy for us.

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>>4968713
Anon, those aren't shield generators. Shield generators are these. Those are the reactors, ye? It's literally called a deflector shield generator dome.

>>4968723
Anon I was referring to those, not the big round things on the image anon posted above, that was why I mentioned the movie shit. Second, they are auxiliary shield generators that only protect in a small local area, their primary purpose is to function as sensors. You can literally look this up on wookiepedia, not to mention numerous books with the details.

>>4968733
Anon, where the hell did you get the idea those are only auxiliary, secondary sensors? It literally says there that those replaced on-ship shield generators that were installed in earlier versions. I mean, are you trying to fuck us over? Don't try to fuck us over with a mistake.

>>4968741
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sensor_globe

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/ISD-72x_deflector_shield_generator_dome

Directly below the image to the top right it says auxiliary shield generator. Their primary purpose is sensors, if they were purpose built to be the primary and only shield generators then they wouldn't only have local effect.

>>4968741
Also, in the behind the scenes section of the sensor globe entry it mentions how there was controversy over whether they were shield generators or sensors, and the consensus eventually came to be that they were sensors with secondary local shielding aspects.

Originally fans assumed they were shield gens because of RotJ, but that was pure fanon, then there was that whole thing with the WEG SW roleplaying game that claimed they were shield gens but that was a pretty poorly researched book that is semi-contradicted by the aforementioned stuff.

The whole thing about there being a shit ton of planets that have only a few thousand people on them also partially originated from WEG, I'm pretty sure the roleplaying games were used as a guide for SW writers in the early days because it compiled a lot of info, but it also spread a lot of non-canon info among the writers which later became canon because it affected what those writers thought was true, when in fact a lot of it was just made up by WEG.

>>4968743
Sensor globes are sensor globes, those are shield generators. It says right there that they replaced the onboard shield generators from previous star destroyers.

You're just taking two shapes and saying they're the same. They replaced the on-thaim shield generators, so those must be the ship's shield generators.

>>4968750
>believing some behind the scenes bullshit
They LITERALLY call it a bridge shield generator on the movie. They blow up the dome on the super star destroyer, and the generator goes down. You call that a SENSOR?

>>4968753
Oh yeah, and furthermore, i think it was in rogue one, after they blow one up, leaving only another dome left, the Y-Wings do a bombing run and the shield is clearly failing, seeing as it only aprtially turns on and there are explosions that damage the ship.

>>4968751
Apparently you cannot read.

>The sensor globes also contained projector vanes for an auxiliary shielding system that had a local-area effect only.[2] The vanes were positioned in a crown-like formation around the sensor globes, forming the ISD-72x deflector shield generator dome system.[1][2]

That is from the sensor globe entry.

>he ISD-72x deflector shield generator/sensor dome was a local-area deflector shield generator and sensor array

This from the ISD-72x entry.

They ARE the same thing, they are both a sensor and a secondary shield generator that protects a local area, what is so hard for you to understand? This is consistent with what I said above, but by their nature as LOCAL shield generators, there must be a primary one which protects the rest of the ship.

>>4968753
anon this is a post hoc false cause logical fallacy, (if event A precedes event B, event A must have caused event B) the domes themselves are shielded. (you can see them take laser fire before the A-Wing fires either a final blast or a concussion missle which finishes it) Therefore, the shields must be taken down before you can destroy them. This means that event B actually preceded event A, so event A obviously did not cause event B. The shields were either taken down making the domes themselves vulnerable OR the final blast fired by the A-Wing was a concussion rocket which bypassed the shields.

On another note, right after the A-Wing suicides into the Executor bridge and you see a close up of the bridge tower, one of those sensor globe/shield gens is still intact, so either the shield capacity were entirely drained so it didn't matter if one was still up, or the SSD needs both of those globes up to maintain the shield, or the local shielding is short enough that disabling one allows half the bridge to be exposed while the other half is still protected.

>>4968781
It says right there that it replaced the previous generators. It makes no sense for it to be an array and yet to have replaced previous shiled generators.

It's literally in the fucking movie. No, i don't care about your retarded behind the scenes bullshit, not wikipedia stuff made up by random idiots. The MOVIE takes precedence, and IN THE MOVIE
>post hoc
Spare me you pilpul. What, do you think that the shield went out for no apparent reason in the milisecond it took the ships to fire? They blow it up, and then they immediately cut to the people saying the shields are down

You'd have to be completely disingenuous to not see the connection here. The missile got through the shield, blowing it up, which meant that the bridge was not able to maintain the SHIELD generator around it. Which means that it's a SHIELD GENERATOR. The bridge even shakes after it happens.

Do you have any actual scene where they magically make the inner shield generator that's not mentioned anywhere turn off in the moment before they send the missile? I mean, that's a very convenient coincidence.

So please, stop trying to claim bullshit about this stupid 'sensor globe' from some single line someone said god knows how much time after the movie which makes no sense whatsoevewr so we can lug meteors around instead of doing something actually useful.

>>4968470
>Recommend having a weak center and strong flanks, so that as the Rebels push forward, we can surge forward to their flanks and gut them from behind

>>4968781
>>4968790
Jesus Christ you two, just shut up, grab a room, and fuck each others brains out already. If you want to shit up the thread with another series of stupid fucking arguments, go to a thread on /b/ and do it there with a porn thread.

NOT. HERE.

>>4968860
>argument about tactics
>hurr durr go to /b/
are you mentally challenged

>>4968880
Because it fills up the thread with unnecessary autism between you and the other guy. So I'm sorry that I insulted you and him, but if you can resist the temptation to argue over this stuff, it'll make this thread just a bit better.

Besides, we want to have a fun thread, and while disagreements over actions are understandable, just don't take it too far, alright?

>>4968884
Well, i'm just trying to explain why an precision attack using our fighters would be able to take it down. If it worked with the goddamn executor, it's going to work with a bellator. Those domes are, every time they're shown in the movies, portrayed as shield generators. They explode, and the shields go down/weak exceedingly to the point that y-wings and kamikaze attacks are able to hit them. And of course, whatever is left is always from another generator, as shown in the scene in Rogue One.

You can look at the images i made, it all checks out. The plan, that is. Which is better than anyone else's done until now, considering the ideas seem to consist of "let's lug an entire meteor field in front of the bellator" or "let's act like a fly and hope the bellator doesn't just shoot us while we're moving"

>>4968470
>Let me ask you something, Captain. What was the outcome of your last mission? Did you win? Did you complete all your objectives?

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>>4968507
This one has most votes will use.
Writing.

>>4969001
"We decimated a Pirate fleet before they oculd become a threat to Sector security, with the casualties costing the majority of the other, "undesirables" involved. Not pretty fighting.

>>4969118
>Then I frankly see no problem. No man in our fleet is here because he values his life more than the Empire.

Fucking hell, you people really haver a thing for voting for bad plans dont you?

>>4969133
At the risk of jinxing it I think this time it's not so bad. There's no way we can outgun the Bellator, we'll have to outmaneuver it. Their screens will certainly try to chase us down but we'll have no trouble outgunning those.

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>>4969137
>it's not so bad
It's not so bad? IT'S NOT SO BAD? DO YOU EVEN THINK?? This 'PLAN' is so stupid that a two year old wouldn't reccomend it.

First - by all going behind him, we are making their defense a fucking breeze. If we flanked, they would have to split their shield's power accross their entire width. But now, all they need to do is concentrate their sheilds on the back, and then all our turbolasers are going to be fucking useless. So good job.
Second, what's your big plan for taking out their shields? You gonna keep shooting the engine uselessly, hoping a shot will magically go through a hit it? Great thinking! Good job.
Third, fighters have become useless, because now, the moment they go over that engine, they're going to be TORN APART by the UNDIVIDED ATTENTION of the ship's full guns.
Fourth, speaking of undivided attention, we have it. Instead of forcing them to divide their attention towards two, three if task force c attacked, three fronts, now there's only one. So much for 'outmaneuvering them'
Fifth, do you THINK the fucking ISDs can outmaneuver them? That ship is going to turn, and it's going to give a nice, warm broadside greeting of it's god knows how fucking many heaby turbolasers.

And we'll fucking deserve it, because you people just get HARD at the thought of failing, don't you?

>>4969178
>RRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE#_×÷//[;---

lmao 200% autism

>>4969178
Not to trigger anyone, but doesn't your fifth point contradict your first and third points, as we're trying to avoid the Repressor's fury, not take the full blunt of it in the same maneuver the admiral wants us to.

The plan is about avoiding a slaughter, not trying to one up the admiral in a conventional dogfight, because that dogfight will cripple us in the end.

And even if we don't take out the shield generators, we can at least aim for the bridge (with their stern shield generators) and their reactor lad.

>>4969218
See? It's because of people like this that votes like THAT win, people who are TRYING to ACTIVELY RUIN the quest.
>>4969223
It doesn't because ultimately, you've wasted our entire surprise on their rear. Furthermore, if they get a full broadside at us, that's even worse, because, you know, a fucking bellator.

>avoiding a slaugther
And we could have WON, if we just thought for a little. I made a map, for gods sake, it's in the image. We COULD survive, we could WIN.
> we can at least aim for the bridge (with their stern shield generators) and their reactor lad.
And just HOW do you plan on taking out their shields? Shooting at their back? It's not a target. And our fighters would be completely destroyed.

But now, we're going to get a horrible roll, just like every time you all vote for a stupid plan, we're going to get SLAUGHTERED, and i'm going to say 'I tooold you so', then you're going to ignore me, and it's going to happen again. And again. And again. And again. And again.

Why? I'm not sure. But it's already happened THRICE.

>>4969237
I haven't even voted on a plan you spaz

>>4969257
It's too late you fool, the choice's been made. Look there, the QM already choose that stupid plan because it had more votes.

>>4969258
Oh nooooo

>>4969237
The entire reason the rear was chosen was to avoid the worst of the anti-capital ship fire, as the engines cannot have guns on it. Also, I don't think we'll have the element of surprise, given that space is wide open and sensors ain't naturally jammed lad.

Second point, I'm more concerned about losing our bigger ships than us losing our fighters. Risking our capital ships to aid our fighters is both stupid and backwards, it's supposed to be the other way around. You have yet to make a meaningful divergence from the admiral's plan, you just ended up clarifying it.

Finally, my plan wasn't what I was voting for, I was coming up with alternate ideas. What I voted for was to wait and see what the other offficers had in mind for survival plans. Calm your tits anon.

>>4969283
>The entire reason the rear was chosen was to avoid the worst of the anti-capital ship fire,
It's not going to work. Just trying to avoid it is a stupid idea, it's a plan that was thought just once. Battles aren't that simple.
>Second point, I'm more concerned about losing our bigger ships than us losing our fighters
That's the problem anon, with this plan, we risk losing our capital ships AND our fighters. The difference from the admiral's plan is that instead of uselessly flinging ourselves at it, we have a real, step-by-step way to tie down, suppress and depower the enemy ship. If you read the images, you'd understand.

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>>4969178
>If we flanked, they would have to split their shield's power accross their entire width
Stopped reading right there. I've scarcely ever seen someone REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE so hard with so little clue what they're talking about, and I browse /news/.

>>4969178
As I said earlier dude. Relax, calm down, don't take this as seriously. Run a mile, shoot a man, eat a dog, whatever. Just don't get worked up so much like this.

>>4969287
How would we risk our capital ships if we just microjump to it's rear? You have yet to explain that bit of nonsense.

I should also note that splitting fire isn't avoiding it, which is the main contention of this meeting. While I do appreciate your plan and the work you put into it, this isn't that kind of meeting lad.

>>4969292
Did you actually read star wars? Or are you going to say 'reee' every time someone tries to not be fucking stupid? Maybe you want us to fail, but not everyone does.
>>4969302
>How would we risk our capital ships if we just microjump to it's rear?
Other than a chance of failure, i already explained why. It puts us all at one single easy to target group. We completely lose the ability to shoot at the places that matter - you people are going to literally just shoot at the rear, which will be easily defensible due to the fact they can throw the shield power at the rear to maximum.

And, what fucking well does 'avoiding fire' do if it'll just result in failure and death? Yeah good luck, you didn't get shot for a whole half an hour. Enjoy being blown up.

>>4969307
>read
I meant watch. Though i guess read also applies, due to the comics.

>>4969307
Anon, it's the spook's mission to blow up the Repressor, with 70-80% casualties being all of the Navy. It's the Navy's mission to survive, and we don't do that by keeping ourselves level with the Repressor's broadsides.

The rear was specifically chosen because the engines can't have guns on them, and thus is it's only blind spot. I don't get where you think they are going to group anti-capital fire on us if we're literally behind their blind spot, and that fact that you think that the biggest ship is more maneuverable that a load of smaller ships is laughable, especially if we focus all of our firepower to take out one of their engines. This doesn't include the fighters and bombers doing their thing either, this time from behind the vessel, and I'm sure that the admiral's big gun won't just be sitting pretty.

>>4969323
How in the fucking hell do you think they're going to blow it up without the shields going down? The fastest the shield goes down, the sooner the whole thing blows up, and there's nothing else to worry about.

Furthermore, the bellator, while big, is going to be able to turn much more than a big group of ISDs. All it takes it turning enough to get a full broadside and our space doritos will turn into swiss chese. The fighters and bombers CAN'T do their thing because this time there's nothing tying down the enemy's weapon. There's no suppression - they can turn all the unused weapons on us.

So they blow up all the fighters because of this stupid idea, turn to a broadside and annihilate us.

Also, if we're going in a suicide mission and wasting all our ships as sitting ducks, we shouldn't send our interdictors to die.

I mean, we're going to get blown up so it doesn't matter, but it's better to not send them out anyways. They'll do literally nothing and die because of the horrible, HORRIBLE, room temperature IQ positioning you all just voted for.

>>4969327
Overloading the shields from the rear? Taking out the reactors to depower them? There are a bunch of ways to still get rid of their shields without sacrificing our entire force lad.

Secondly, what's stopping us from moving with the Repressor and staying at it's rear. You're acting like we would remain in the same position in space instead of moving with the Repressor to stay on it's rear, and I don't know if your being obtuse or intentionally retarded regarding my point there.

>>4969330
Anon, the whole point of this meeting we're in currently is to AVOID the suicide mission and not have all of our ships blow up, and you keep advocating for Admiral Fanatic's plan! A head on attack is not how we avoid destruction!

>>4969307
>Did you actually read star wars?
Yes but if it clarifies anything, I do not acknowledge the existence of any Star Wars media made after 2007.

>>4969337
>Overloading the shields from the rear?
Overloading a SUPER STAR DESTROYER'S SHIELDS? Good luck.
>Taking out the reactors to depower them?
How? The entire armament of theirs will be free to aim for us. All of it. Furthermore, the fighters won't be forced to split across two sides and the length of the ship, meaning they'll easily take out anyone who approaches.
>There are a bunch of ways to still get rid of their shields without sacrificing our entire force lad.
Dividing and flanking would be a way to have a near casualty free mission. All it required was PRECISE Attacks. We HAVE the equipment, we HAVE the people, we COULD HAVE WON.
>Secondly, what's stopping us from moving with the Repressor and staying at it's rear.
Because we're a big damn grou with slow-as-fuck ISDs, moving together with it would result in a clunky mess.
>and you keep advocating for Admiral Fanatic's plan!
Why do you think that attacking head on is the problem with his plan? His problem is that he has no tactical thought. Instead of being fanatic, you're being a goddamned coward. You went from Admiral Fanatic to Moff Weakling.

If we timed it right, the ISDs would have easily lived and the mission would have been a grade-a success. Now, we'll be lucky if WE get out of this.

>>4969346
oh yeah, and i forgot to ask
>There are a bunch of ways to still get rid of their shields without sacrificing our entire force lad.
Okay, so tell me one. Tell me a single way to do it that isn't retarded - with this maneuver, our positioning is garbage, our firing arcs are trash and there is literally nowhere to shoot but the stupid engine. How the fuck do you plan on doing anything but failing?

This plan is a coward's plan, it is a plan made with the intent to try to survive and fail, instead of a plan made to win. It's the kind of simplistic, poorly thought plan a toddler would make. There's no second thought to it.

But it got the most votes. Isn't that just wonderful?

>>4969348
>But it got the most votes. Isn't that just wonderful?

Haha yep

>>4969346
>How? The entire armament of theirs will be free to aim for us.
>at the ass end of the ship filled with engines

Now I know your bullshitting me. You can't be so retarded as to say that somehow our firing arcs will be shit all the while saying that the SSD's firing arcs can somehow hit us from it's behind with it's full armament, and if you are that retarded, your plan wouldn't reasonably improve our chances for survival, let alone a 'causality free' battle, which in of itself is retarded considering your plan has us running the gauntlet with the SSD's firing arcs, not avoiding the only real threat to our capital ships, which are the SSD's guns.

You expecting us the run headlong into the SSD's broadsides and not take casualties is one of the most retarded things I read this quest, and that's saying something.

>>4969348
Anon, this meeting- right here, with the other Navy officers- isn't about winning, it's about surviving. The fact that you call us cowards for not going with your retarded plan and ranting about 'winning' proves that you have more similarities with the retarded Admiral Fanatic than you do with the spooks actually running this mission.

So quit your whining and whinging, and try not to let your autism cause you to sperg the thread out again.

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>>4969346
>Shoot the ship from the rear
>Avoid the Dreadnoughts fire (Until they turn and we don't bother to move)
>Can't pierce the shields because they're too strong
>(According to you) die

vs

>Attack the ship from 3 sides
>Get continually pummeled by the dreadnoughts guns, because they will have us in full view at all times
>Somehow manage to pierce the shields and destroy the ship
>(According to you) Survive the predicted 70-80% casualties and win

>>4969408
> You can't be so retarded as to say that somehow our firing arcs will be shit
I CAN, Because we're aiming at the goddamn engines. Unless we go up, which negates the whole point of going down.

And the SSD can hit us if it turns to a full face, upon which point it won't matter how well our firing arcs are, because we'll be shredded to slag. If we split our forces, they can't focus their fire on a single point.
>
You expecting us the run headlong into the SSD's broadsides and not take casualties is one of the most retarded things I read this quest, and that's saying something.
My plan isn't to run along, and you'd know that if you read it. My plan is to suppress them for enough time to hit them with the fighters. It's called a precision attack - the ISDs would have more than enough shielding to last that time.
>isn't about winning, it's about surviving
It is exactly because you think liek this that we're going to lose - that we won't survive. You think not in terms of the battle, but whatever's most quick and convenient. You're thinking like a goddamn rat that jumps into a trap.

You're acting like a Bannon. You try to be 'cautious', fuck up and everyone dies. If you want to survive, you go head IN, not head out.

How many more times will you people vote for the worst goddamn plan because it's the first thing that appeared?

>>4969421
If we shoot the ship from the rear, we won't be able to pierce them because they can localize the power in a single region. They do this in like, every star wars movie. It's not that we won't move, it's that we can't - a force with so many ISDs is far more clumsy than a single bellator.

If we attack from three sides, their fire is divided, which means the ISDs would be able to hold enough to carry out what i actuallly planned - which is to lead a starfighter strike. We can penetrate the shield because we have BOMBERS that have the CAPABILITY to penetrate shields with bombs and missiles.

Did ANY of you read what i proposed? Are you just following whatever other people are saying and taking that as truth? You just keep saying 'going head on', completely missing the point of the flanking maneuver.

>>4969432
But they won't concentrate all their shields in the rear, because there'll still be the central force and everybody who didn't join us shooting them from the front. If they concentrate all shields in the rear then the Onager will gut them and we can all go home happy. That's the whole point. The entire fleet isn't heading to the rear, it's just us and a few other captains who don't like the idea of +70% casualties.

>>4969435
If Task Force C is left alone, the onager is going to be gutted. You'd be literally allowing a full salvo against the ship we're supposed to protect. Furthermore, if we split ourselves so thin, the forces that stay will be slaughtered, the onager will get slaughtered, and then we'll be left alone.

Flanking does not mean 'Divide yourself and get conquered'. This plan either results in passing all of the jelly on the sides of the bread, or spreading it across a whole damn loaf.

>>4969429
You still haven't explained your rationale as to why you think our rear force would allow itself to stay still while the SSD moves to fire on us, or the fact that damaging the engines will turn the SSD into a sitting duck.

I don't know what you'd think you'll be suppressing with our capital ships on his flank, but I know that our capitals will take hits for a couple of measly fighters.

Also, I'm think in terms of not being retarded, which involves not being apart of the 80% casualty statistic this battle is projected to have. The fact that you think we can win this without casualties means your more delusional than the admiral.

>>4969432
>>4969441
And what's stopping the Repressor from picking it's targets and concentrating their fire? I don't know why you think more ships to aim at somehow results in less casualties.

>>4969432
>If we shoot the ship from the rear, we won't be able to pierce them because they can localize the power in a single region. They do this in like, every star wars movie.
Not the real ones.

>>4969462
>You still haven't explained your rationale as to why you think our rear force would allow itself to stay still while
Holy shit i already told you like FIVE FUCKING TIMES. Do you even read what i said? Our force is way too clunky to just follow their rear - ISDs are not fast enough. Its much easier for them to turn than for us to follow their rear.

>measly fighters
These "measly fighters" can take out star destroyers like the executor ISDs taking a few harmless hits > priceless interdictor squadron destroyed

It stops them because it would allow the enemy to fire freely without danger. In the end, my plan is not a long, pitched battle but a precision strike.

We need to take out those fucking shields. This "plan" can not do that.

>>4969468
You didnt watch star wars at all, did you?

>>4969472
It's been a while, maybe my memory's fading. In what part does it come up in The Phantom Menace?

>>4969118
QM, we need another official ruling. Is this assessment correct?
>Our force is way too clunky to just follow their(SSD) rear - ISDs are not fast enough. Its much easier for them to turn than for us to follow their rear.

Because I'm frankly tired of arguing the some point repeatedly.

>>4969479
It's a fucking ISD mate. Trying to go back and forth while the ship turns is not an maneuver for a big sluggish ship

Honestly I'm tired of you retards throwing tantrums why don't you just stop or fuck off if it bothers you so much

>>4969486
Not everyone likes failure. Fucking up by choosing something stupid and saying "hurr durr if you dont like it leave" is plain asinine

I do not WANT to fail otherwise i wouldnt be argueing. But you all just keep voting for the worst plans, every damn time.

>>4969497
And your temper tantrums accomplish what, exactly? It is annoying, worse than people making bad plans is you spazzing out and crying doom and gloom every 5 minutes. Go sit in your room til you calm down or something shit.

>>4969501
Every time this happens, i say, it wont end well. Every time i'm ignored, it does not end well. But you cant admit when a plan is stupid, so you just say i should stop doing it

>>4969521
Didn't we obliterate the pirate fleet with only two escorts and some fighter losses? And wasn't the only flank that was successful at Bespin ours? I'm sorry to say lad, but if that's your bar of not going well, you have delusional standards for our Task Force.

>>4968790
>It says right there that it replaced the previous generators.

This doesn't contradict anything I said, they are shield generators and sensors that just protect the bridge.

>Movie rant

You don't decide what takes precedence, end of story. The stuff in wiki is sourced from canon books describing the equipment.

The shields did not fail for no reason, Admiral Ackbar literally says 'concentrate all firepower on that Super-Stardestroyer. You are also arguing over nothing, I've acknowledged that it is a shield array that protects the bridge and is also a sensor, I was saying that just because the bridge has its shields disabled it does not mean the rest of the ship will.

You are also arguing against a strawman, I'm not the asteroid field anon, this guy is >>4968488

I mentioned as one out of 4 random ideas that I wasn't attached to the potential of using towed asteroids as either cover or dumb projectiles imparted with acceleration towards where the enemy fleet will come in as distractions.

Nor was I disagreeing with your plan, you just started arguing with me about the sensor/shield globes thinking I was saying the big round things in the picture some anon posted of a big Star-destroyer were shield generators which you insisted were reactors, when in fact I wasn't even talking about said picture.

>>4968860
>cringe get a room rant

We barely insulted each other even if things got a little heated. If you don't want to read our debate then just skip over it like a regular person instead of whining about it.

Wait, I take back what I said, I didn't realise that this dude was the sperging anon from last thread.

I deeply apologize to all the anons for taking his bait and arguing over pointless details and setting him off.

>>4969601
You are forgiven.

So, how many are hyped for the next update?

>>4969788
Barely at all, we are just proposing a plan to be used to a bunch of navy dudes who could vote against us.

Also, aren't we technically a Captain, not a Commander now? Admiral Harnock promoted us in the previous thread so we would have a rank commiserate with our duties as the leader of a task force.

>>4969795
>we got jipped with our promotion

>>4969794
I'm honestly waiting for somebody to promote the idea of bombing the admiral and having the chain of command fall to one of us. It'll be a retarded plan, but also funny as fuck to out spook the spooks on this one.

>>4969829
Maybe try telling the Admiral that ramming is a good tactic, if it works for 40K captains I'm sure it'll work for fanatics in an entirely different universe!

For real though, I wouldn't put it past some of voters to do it "for the memes".

It would be funny though.

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>>4969521
On the contrary, I was vocally against the asteroid field fight plan, even though it went well.

As I said, your bitching and moaning accomplishes nothing and everyone is sick of it.

>>4969534
>fighter losses
Well, not quite, there were quite a few lost fighters and and some escorts got straight up blown up. Not sure what you're talking about bespin, though.

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As you lay out the plan, the Captains of the Capital Ships, the dreadnoughts and ISDs, voice up their own concerns.

"If i may interject, it's likely that the picket forces could pull this maneuver off, but our heavier ships would be easy targets for the Repressor's broadsides."

"If we do go in for this plan, we'll stay back for the meantime, as at least staying with the other Spook ships would give us some more longevity."

>agree with their assessment

>convince em to come anyway?

>>4970067
>convince em to come anyway?
Hug the enemy escort force. The Bellator won't engage through fear of hitting their own ships, and our heavier ships should be then able to handle the escorts while the faster ships wreak havoc in their rear. If they hang back with the spooks, they'll still be eating the Bellators broadsides anyway won't they?

>>4970067
>>agree with their assessment

>>4970067
>Then us pickets would be out exposed to the enemy escorts and the Repressors fire without a corresponding offensive threat on our side to draw their fire and clear out the escorts. Obviously I don't expect you all to follow through with the deep drive into the rear of the enemy close in, but we'll need you to at least engage the enemy as laid out in the default plan until we begin our maneuver into the enemy's rear.

I'm not sure I'm understanding what this guy is saying. Is he saying he wants to hang back entirely and not engage the enemy at all? Or is he saying he doesn't think he can push close into the enemy's rear area and out maneuver the SSD so as to avoid their broadside? The former makes this plan entirely worthless, the latter is acceptable and if that is what he means then forget my lazy write-in.

>>4970087
I think what he's saying is that the picket forces can turn the flank of the enemy fleet, getting them from the sides and squeezing the Repressor into a nasty little position.

>>4970067
And if we take out the SSD's engines, could you pull the maneuver off?

Anyway, what's your ideas lads? Something different must have come to you.

>>4970120
Well, there's a bunch of ideas made by different anons before this post, go check them.

>>4970120
It would be extremely painful.

For them.

>>4970130
Don't know, they have a lot of guns in their back. Some pretty huge ion cannons.

>>4970123
I meant the Navy officers.

>>4970130
This missions was always going to be painful. Real question is, can you survive it?

>>4970067
>agree with their assessment
>What if we take out the engines, would the maneuver be possible for our heavier ships?
>What other plans to you lads got then?

>>4970134
So we blow them up as well, it's better than facing a full broadside lad.

>>4970138
Good luck on that, our firepower is not enough and our main force, our fighters, will get destroyed if we send them to attack.

Unless you've got a plan to draw their fighters and fire away, it won't work.

>>4970148
Then what makes you think a conventional attack, where we face the full broadsides of the SSD, would fair any better for us? It sounds like no matter what we try anons think it won't work and we'll be destroyed, so the plan is to default to the admiral's plan?

Plus, our fighters were created with the intention of them taking casualties and being replaced in a fight. I don't understand why you think they'd get wiped instantly with less guns on them than they would with more guns aimed at them if we go with the other plan proposed, which is the admiral's 'though the escorts and onto the turrets of the SSD!' Plan.

>>4970158
I think we need to find a way to give the fighters a clean run.
>Plus, our fighters were created with the intention of them taking casualties and being replaced in a fight.
That's a pretty wasteful way of thinking, we're post-empire here, we can't afford to lose fighters. Definitely not the Interdictors, though.

>>4970162
Fact is, you can't without having them either engage enemy fighters and escorts, then the SSD's AA fire. Getting to the SSD's rear, which is taken up with their massive engines instead of their weapons systems, would get rid of the fighters trying to run through the escorts and the majority of the SSD's AA fire.

And while I don't want to waste our fighters, sacrificing our larger ships for them is more wasteful and counter-intuitive to the fighter's main role, which is to close the distance and deliver their payload though massed AA fire. The plan always involved them taking some casualties from Anti-fighter fire.

Plus, this mission was an 80% casualty acceptable mission. If anything is wasteful, it's the way the admiral and spooks are going about this whole thing.

>>4970169
If I was running this mission, I would take out the SSD's engines, cripple their mobility, and bug out to replace our fighter/bomber losses. Then, as they become a sitting duck, we repeatedly wear down their escort and fighter force with fresh fighters/bombers, then we go in for the kill.

I don't know if that would've worked, but it's certainly less wasteful to the fleet than trying to engage the SSD in a conventional dogfight with our understrength fleet.

>>4970169
OUR Fighters are valuable. We need those Interceptors and interdictors. I don't give a hell about some loser captain's TIE Squad, their use is to make sure the enemy's TIEs dont come after our Fighters.

An Interdictor is more valuable than an ISD to us, because we don't own any of the ISDs

>>4970178
While I agree, I'm not in charge of this operation. Now, I'm not saying we waste them, if anything we need our conventional fighter/bombers to clear the way for our Interdictors to safely operate, but expecting to get out of this suicide mission unscathed is ludicrous, we're going to take causalities, especially among our fighter force which will do 80% of the work here. Expecting us to throw an IDS under the bus for an Interdictor is insanely wasteful, but expecting us to somehow protect and clear the way for our fighters while the SSD is ripping chunks out of our fleet is simply delusional.

>>4970184
If we get rid of the bellator's capabilities, we won't need to protect them. We can bomb the bridge. I mean, it worked against the executor. The Interdictor has some havy-duty bombs.

>>4970206
Please clarify what you mean, because what I'm getting is that you unintentionally like the rear plan as it's the closest we can come to the bridge without dealing with the escorts or heavy AA fire and you don't want to admit it, or you think we can somehow bomb their bridge without our fighters taking heavy losses from going though enemy escorts and AA fire, and I honestly can't tell which.

>>4970067
>agree with their assessment
>I stand corrected, some of us do in fact value our lives more than the Empire. It makes no difference if your assessment is right or wrong, if your priority is to save yourself it is pointless to argue. If I were in charge I'd have you demoted, but since I am your colleague and not your superior I will simply follow my orders.

>>4970223
The problem with sending our ships out the rear is that it results in our forces spreading too thin, they said it themselves they can't maneuver that fast. We should be sending only our bombsrthere, and escorted.

>>4970225
I'm gonna -1 that second prompt, as this meeting is clearly about saving our skins from the spook's machinations, and not about completing this suicide mission.

You get not points for being delusional about why this meeting is happening lad.

>>4970229
Clarify 'ours'.

Also, we are not in control of the overall direction of the fight, so sending only our bombers out of SSD range is probably not an option here.

>>4970235
>You get no* points

I need to invest in a spellchecker...

>>4970235
I know why we're having it fagtron, I'm saying we shouldn't.

>>4970235
>out of SSD range is probably not an option here.
No, no. I think we should send our fighters through the back, but only the fighters. The other ones can't maneuver. If the fighters go through the back, they can bomb the hell out of the bridge while being away from their main guns.

>>4970241
Than you're fucking moron if you think 80% casualties are acceptable, let alone criticizing and threatening to demote the other Navy officers in this fleet. We ain't a fucking spook or a fanatic ya know.

>>4970243
So our capital ships get smashed by the SSD in the meantime? It'll take longer for the fighters to circle around to the rear than to just push though the AA fire, and every second wasted is another capital ship destroyed (including ours). We'd waste our capital ships and our carriers to save a fraction more of our fighters, it just isn't worth it.

>>4970253
You're severely underestimating the shielding power of the ISDs and the speed of the TIEs. This is the quickest way to get rid of it. I mean, waht other idea you have? Throw our fighters uselessly and let them all die without doing anything? Flee? They can't stay behind the ship, they told you that THEMSELVES