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>>4909816
Meanwhile in New Rome…..

You haven’t been in the capitol for nearly three years. Hell, you could argue that you haven’t been in civilization for three years. There’s not much time for leave when fighting tribals and you’d never classify their profligate communities as “civilized”. Were it not for the unspeakable loss at New Vegas, you’d be heading into the West, bringing Caesar’s will to the degenerates under the flag of the bear.

But you are not to question his actions, only obediently obey. You’re forever in-debt to the man that brought the torch of civilization to your tribe, erasing its culture, history and namesake. You wear the name Quintilius Publicis with honor, hoping to one day earn the privilege of being in the Legion.

You don’t like dwelling in the past however, you always push yourself forward. And in front of you seems to be Legion bureaucracy.

“Next.”

Stepping up in line, you approach one of the many newly constructed checkpoints. Even on the roads leading in, New Rome looks much different.

“Ave, name and business.”

[Quintilius Publicis, Centurion of the sixth cohort in the eighth legion. Ordered by Legate Pompeius to report to New Rome for special assignment.]

“Signaculum?”

You hand over your dog-tags to the man, surprised at the severity of the security.

“Alright, let me check over some information. Wait here.”

More paperwork, no doubt. You’re beginning to really miss the field.

Mars must favor you today as the Tribunus returns just moments later.

“I apologize for the formalities, Centurion. Here is your signaculum and pass with the seal of the commander of the Praetorian. Ave, true to Caesar.”

[Ave, true to Caesar.]

Commander of the praetorian, Lucius. You had no idea your mission had caught the eyes of the second most powerful man in the Legion. Legate Pompeius kept you relatively insulated to the situation. You are to report to the ninth legion’s headquarters to work on implementing tactics that you had created while fighting tribals out east. It seems that after the loss of Lanius and the dam, Caesar wants to transform the army.

You aren’t one to question, however. If you can serve the Legion, you’ll do whatever needs to be done because one day you will march into the West, killing the bear once and for all.

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Reposting from previous thread

This is the rough plan for deployment.

>Grey triangles are BoS firesquads
>Yellow triangles are our soldiers, groups of 15.
>Yellow squares are mercenary groups of 100

The plan is to deploy a light skirmishing across the dam to help set off explosives (will include map) and try to do as much damage before pulling back to the dam. This is where we predict a large amount of the horde will center.

Down south, we will deploy a large amount of the BoS and mercenaries. I'm having two groups of mercenaries hold for reserves, using the rest of the soldiers to corral and direct them.

I am leaving it up to you to choose where to deploy securitrons. Remember that there will be a lot of chaos in the region itself, looting, a lot of scared people. Think about a garrison force.

You also may have allies to call upon, perhaps the boomers and their artillery or even Westside and their militia. You also need to consider the possibility of a breakout into the region proper and how you might contain it.

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I want to use your dynamite and whatever other explosives you have laying around to create a field across the dam, hopefully killing and maiming a large portion with no damage to critical infrastructure. We will also dig wide kill pits with stakes at the bottom, at the very least trapping a few of the ghouls. The four-point stars are hardpoints. Sandbag bunkers and defensible points.

I only see this possible if you mobilize everyone you can. Buy and collect all the tools you can, pull the miners and farmers from their jobs, recruiting even more freesiders.

>>4909841
Question for Yes-Man: what's the velocity of the Securitron Missiles, and would they be able to hit a target from the other side of the Dam? I'm wondering if we could potentially make a Securitron bombardment. House said that these things can do ground to air attacks, so the distance must be far.

>>4909823
poggers
>>4909839
>>4909841
As other anons and myself said before in the other thread we should do this:
call any able body citizen to form militias in case any group escapes our defences
build any kind of fortification on our side
place as many kind of trap as posible to cause as mass damage posible

>>4909823
>literally garbage armor
Huh. I never noticed Centurion armor was made from that many different set of armor. They even got part from super mutant stuff. Pick a god damn set of armor and stick with it, fuck.

Cass is on the council and I will like to use this opportunity to ask her if the MCR still had Casinos. You said we could ask any council member questions whenever, and I'm cashing that in right now.
How does Cass feel about these:
>>4909235
>>4909261
>>4909313
>>4909453
>>4909456
>>4909460
>>4909477
>>4909508

>>4909861
Yes-Man: Yes absolutely, you should be able to have a well-targeted barrage across the river. The only issue I can think of is that the rockets aren't like others in the wasteland. I haven't been able to find them anywhere actually. A good use of the rockets but once they're gone, they might be gone.

>>4909883
Cass: I imagine New Reno has the same policies as New Vegas on winning. You'll probably get kicked out after enough caps won. Though the crime families aren't too forgiving for those on a winning streak. I'm not too sure on how many major casinos are in the NCR, there's a sort of unwritten policy about letting New Reno have the monopoly on casinos within the NCR.

I'll be honest, I'm not sure how it would work between governments but you're heavily aligned with NCR culture, so as long as you keep your laws and regulations similar to theirs, it won't be an issue. Though competing in the NCR is going to be impossible.

I've never dealt directly with the Shi but I've heard plenty about them. The Brotherhood and maybe even the NCR should know how to manufacture vertibirds, the issue is that not even the NCR has the facilities for something that advanced.

>>4910092
>not having infinite rockets
Lame

>>4910092
Does Yes Man have the schematics for making more rockets? Did House have notes on how he was going to mass-produce more rockets?

>winning too many caps
>not preparing twenty back up disguises

>criminal families aren't too forgiving
>not killing their hit squads then cashing in their chips for more caps

>>4909823
>Quintilius Publicis

Quite an interesting name.

>>4910092
>Yes-Man: Yes absolutely, you should be able to have a well-targeted barrage across the river. The only issue I can think of is that the rockets aren't like others in the wasteland. I haven't been able to find them anywhere actually. A good use of the rockets but once they're gone, they might be gone.
>waste good ground to air missiles on something we're going barrage and bomb in bulk

Can Securitrons fire other types of missiles then, in an attempt to save the good ones for future use? It'll be a shame to waste them on literal zombies.

>>4910126
House must have them somewhere. Either at Fortification Hill, or where the Golden chip lay. Hell, maybe they're in the databanks of REPCONN, considering House did buy the company. We'll have the Bright Brotherhood look into it.

>>4910147
House had databank full of digital goodies. I'm banking on him saving his notes in there.

>>4910155
House purged much of his data when he was killed. A sort of dead man's switch.

>>4910147
Not to your direct knowledge. The Securitron's chassis are smaller than could hold missiles. Rockets might be able to be used, though alterations would be necessary

>>4910184
>House purged much of his data when he was killed. A sort of dead man's switch.
Fake and gay. How come Yes Man was still able to pull up info off the Databanks?

>>4910194
Some data was hardcoded in and the purging wasn't completely successful.

I mean House definitely has missiles somewhere around here. Check behind the couch?

Rolled 80 + 8 (1d100 + 8)

>>4910216
Fine, there better be spare caps and bread crusts too

>>4910237
Hey look, I found some lose change! The Hellfire missile was also nice I guess...

>>4910248
Get that shit outta here. We all know pocket lint is where's the money at.

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New Vegas Region
-------------------------
Month 6, Week 3

Population (Rough Estimate) 65,000
Freeside/New Vegas: 50,000
Novac: 2,500
Primm: 2,000
Goodsprings: 500
Jacobstown: 1000
New Vegas Outskirts: 5,500
Sloan: 150
Remaining population dispersed throughout region
New Vegas: Rebuilt Pre-War buildings, defensive wall, electricity, plumbing.
Freeside: Sparse electricity. Pre-war ruins, pre-war buildings, shacks. Defensive wall, Freeside Administration
Primm: Electricity. Intact pre-war buildings, pre-war ruins
Goodsprings: Electricity, intact pre-war houses
Novac: Electricity, intact pre-war houses, Novac Scrap Center (In Progress)
Camp McCarran: Intact pre-war building, military tents, electricity, plumbing, defensive wall, watch towers, military tents, basic training course
Cottonwood Cove: Damaged pre-war housing, damaged pre-war buildings, direct access to clean water
Nipton: Intact pre-war buildings, Legion Embassy

Economy
Tariffs: Low 5%(+8,500 caps/turn)
Dam Output: (20,000 caps/turn, 10,000 caps/turn)
Sales tax: None (+0 caps/turn)
Entertainment: Intermediate (+44,000 caps/turn)
Upkeep: None (-58,460 caps/turn)
Treasury: 146,590 caps

Food
Average (Rising)
Simple diet
Your sharecropper farms have finally started producing at their projected rates and Freeside has a stable supply of food. Across the dam is still constructing the infrastructure necessary.

Water
Average(Stable)
Mostly clean water from Lake Mead supplies Freeside, New Vegas, North Vegas. Water consumption is maxed out between New Vegas and the NCR.

Healthcare
Abysmal (Rising)
Few scavenged industrial medicine, sparse home remedies. The Auto-Doc has started treating the most severely injured, freeing up Followers

Research
Available Facilities: None
Current Research: None
New Vegas is incapable of conducting meaningful experience due to lack of expertise, facilities and equipment

Industry
>Available Facilities: Michael Angelo’s Workshop
>Current Projects: Vault 19 Sulfur Mining (Producing 500 dynamite a month), Sloan(8 tons per month) Scavenger Training (30 every 2 weeks), Freeside cleanup (On hold), Freeside Aptitude (Ongoing), Freeside Sanitation (Four Weeks)

200 Scavengers (40 in Novac), 300 miners, 20 repairmen
>Material: Limited mining equipment, limited industrial equipment 1,850 dynamite, Assorted unknown holodisks, 23 energy core, 16 tons cement, Mobile small backhoe, 400 Brahmin, 5 medium boats, Numerous non-seaworthy boats

Military
>The Strip: Heavily Fortified, Laser PDW, 200 securitrons
>Freeside: 25 securitrons at Strip entrance, 100 patrolling Freeside, 490 mercenaries
>The Dam: 199 securitrons, 4 Anti-Air weapons
>Camp McCarran: 15 Securitrons as garrison
>24 deployed to Novac area
>25 deployed to Primm area
>25 deployed to Sloan area
>25 deployed to Jacobstown area
>42 deployed to Outer Vegas Ruins
>15 deployed to Nipton
>25 deployed to Nipton area
>10 deployed Searchlight
>5(total) deployed to H&H, Sunset, Repconn Test, Vault 34, Vault 3, Vault 22

>80 mercenaries deployed to Vault 19
>60(total) mercenaries deployed to H&H, Sunset, Repconn Test, Vault 34, Vault 3, Vault 22
>200 mercenaries protecting sharecroppers
>30 mercenaries training at McCarran (Six weeks left)
>50 Mercs to black mountain
>12(total) soldiers deployed to H&H, Sunset, Repconn Test, Vault 34, Vault 3, Vault 22


736 Mkll Securitrons, 1 damaged
The Courier
890 Mercenaries: Semi-professional-Service rifles, leather armor, fragmentation grenades
87 Soldiers: Professional-Service rifles, fragmentation grenades, 30 in riot armor
16 Shock Troopers
Boones Squad: 2 Members
25 Bright Brotherhood: Semi-professional-Energy weapons

Free Equipment: 5 Power Armor, Squad Vertibird, 2 supersonic missiles

Raul: +5 to Repair actions, +3 to combat (Training)
Boone: +4 to combat actions, +2 sneak actions (Currently unavailable)
Ed-E: +4 to combat, allows field repairs/ammo crafting
Lily: +4 to stealth actions, +3 to combat
Veronica: +3 to combat, +2 scavenging actions (Training)
Rex: +2 to combat, +3 to scavenging
Roxie: +2 to combat, +3 to scavenging
Knox: +5 to combat (Stationed at dam)
Doc Henry (Studying Vault 22 Data)
Moreno (Training at McCarran)
Whitman
Johnson (Training at McCarran)
Kreger
Yes Man (Decoding Holodisks)
Ulysses

Council
Treasury- Cass
Defense- Kreger
State- Francine Garret
Agriculture- Joseph Linden
Industry- Chomp Lewis
Health & Human Development-Julie Farkas
Science & Technology- Doctor Henry
Tourism- Cachino

Actions
>Courier Action
One direct action, one Meeting
>Military Action
Two engagements, infinite troop movement
>Industry
One action
>Scavenge
Two actions
>Repair
One action
>Tourism
One action related to tourism
>Other
One thing that falls into these categories or anything out of it

Alerts
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WARNING: FREESIDE HEALTH
The worst of the situation has passed and the Auto-Doc has been a godsend, but there is a need for industrial medicine to replenish the machine as well as to treat most injuries. Tribal remedies would also be acceptable if in high enough supply.

WARNING: GHOUL HORDE
The impending ghoul horde must be dealt with or risk the region being overrun. Yes Man has given an estimate of two weeks until the horde reaches Hoover Dam.

WARNING:VERTIBIRD DEPOT
The Vertibirds are waiting to be reached and transported. Pilots either need to be trained or trucks procured to help transport.

WARNING: AGRICULTURE PROJECT
It could be months before production from the far side of the dam. Perhaps either direct intervention or increased focus is needed.

WARNING: RISING CRIME
There has been a shallow but steady increase in petty crime. Unless you want capital punishment for these offenses, a police force needs to be created or a jail constructed so the Securitrons can do that role as well.

WARNING: CHOMP LEWIS MEETING
Chomp Lewis requests a meeting to discuss the current state of the industry as well as ways to increase all-around output.

WARNING: UNKNOWN FACTION
There is an unknown faction that has an unknown amount of spies within your territory.

Suggestions:
Train pilots for the vertibirds
Improve military equipment
Clean Freeside of rubble and trash
Repopulate Nipton
Invest in government transportation
Populate Cottonwood and Nipton
Destroy ghoul horde

>>4910270
>Courier Action
PR/recruitment drive around the region, to project strength and steel peoples nerves, and help in efforts to shore up the defenses against the horde. Have Ulysses help us out.

Meet with the Westsiders.

>Military Action
Meet with Kreger (Finished).

Begin mass mobilization and recruitment of civilians, militia and mercenaries across the Mojave, have them organize in Boulder City. Knox and Kreger spearhead these efforts.

Troop movements will be detailed in a different post, but the general theme is let Kreger handle the merc deployments, Knox the Securitron deployments, and a small QTS to contain and deal with any major ghoul breaches that may happen along the lines. I do want our Securitrons to be highly visible in populated civilian areas.

>Industry
Begin entrenchment and fortification of the Dam, it's outlying regions, and major population centers.

>Scavenge
Have Veronica, Rex and Roxie scavenge for useful assets (heavy weapons, artillery, etc.). Use every scavenger available, and anybody, vehicle, or equipment you want for this operation.

>Repair
Have Doc Henry switch to working on the pheromone dispersal mechanics (will pay for some engineers to assist him).

>Tourism
Begin mitigating the damage of Kimball's assassination attempt, and PR/propaganda for defending against the horde that came from Legion lands down south.

>Other
Get the Boomer artillery up here.

>>4910292
i would switch the westsiders with the super mutants at jacobstown

>>4910292
Same, Westsiders are pathetically weak when you compare them to super mutants.

Change your scaving action to sending Veronica +80 scavengers to vault 34 for weapons (+5 securitrons for protection), and Rex, Roxie, and the remaining 80 scavengers for weapons or pretty much what you're going for.

>>4910270
So in Fallout 1, the Overseers desk in the Cathedral and in Vault 13 or whatever has dual miniguns under the desk. Fallout New Vegas didn't have dual miniguns under the overseer's desk, but would you say it did?
Get fucked autocorrect

>>4910292
>>4910304
And changing my suggestion a bit.
Veronica +only 50 Scavengers since the Vault is an enclosed space so it would be easy to comb through each section, and 110 scavengers + our two cyber dogs for general search for heavy weapons and artillery

>>4910292
I want troop movements to be done in two stages.

Take 100 Securitrons from the Strip. We'll leave groups of 20 Securitrons to bolster the militia forces in our countryside, focusing on roads and population centers, freeing up 29 Securitrons from the countryside (Nipton will have only 10 stationed there). Take 21 from the Outer Vegas Ruins, that give us 50 to work with as a group. I want these to reinforce troubled areas and be a highly visible presence to project strength for the first week and a half, while the garrison militias are being organized and volunteers are being sent into Bolder City.

When the garrisons manned, I want a further withdrawal of 15 Securitrons from the Stripe entrance (which can be partially reinforced by the Strip Securitrons, 50 patroling Freeside, 5 from Camp McCarran, and 5 from each of the patrolled areas except for Searchlight because that's where we keep our planes. The 5 Securitrons and security forces guarding the loot can stay where they are. That should bring the total up 250 Securitrons pulled away. I want them all pulled away from trouble areas to aid in the defense, their deployments to be detailed by Knox.

Soldiers and mercenary troop movements and deployments are to be handled by Kreger, so long as there are sufficient forces to handle to handle bare bones garrison duties and to prevent total anarchy from erupting.

>>4910297
>>4910304
I would assume Jacobstown would heed Gondor's call for aid, but I can switch it up if they don't. I figure Westside would be a mixed bag, but if we get them to fight with the rest of the Mojave for our mutual defense, it'll aid in integration and eventually assimilation down the line. The Mojave are in this together after all.

Alternatively, if they choose not to help in defense the least they can do is to patrol and garrison Freeside in our stead, allowing further Securitrons, mercenaries, and militia to be freed for the battle.

>>4910304
>>4910317
>>4910319
I will agree to sending them out to Vault 34 if you want. We can have a Security detachment available for both groups just to prevent any trouble from brewing, and to aid in any heavy lifting. We can contract the independent transportation in Novac to assist in moving anything heavy.

>>4910317
Sure, all vaults have miniguns under the desks

Though radiation caused this one to malfunction, not being able to be shut down. Still active.

>>4910325
Which vaults did we personally visit?
Can we send Veronica there with her Power Armor and a could of Pulse Grenades? Out of all the Vaults, 34 is the one with the BIG G-G-G-G-GUNS!

What was that other sacrifice vault where people sent their citizens into a room to get slaughtered by a bunch of robots and turrets? I don't remember if that was Vault was in Fallout 3 or Fallout new Vegas.

>>4910323
If anything we can contact Westside after we contact Jacobstown.
I regards to your troop movement suggestion, I think other anon was right. We have at least a grace period of two weeks until the horde arrives. We can talk should and prepare for this week, THEN on the next week we start moving our forces around the map.

>>4910325
right or wrong? we get 1 more week after this current update to fuck around before the horde comeths?

>>4910325
Vault 11. I was thinking of Vault 11. Sentry Bots be awesome. Hey! Maybe we should try finding and fixing up robots to help in the fight. Mr. Gutsy's, Sentry Bots, and.......yeah no that's about it.
And I now recall Mr. House mentioning that the BoS disable 5 of his securitrons. Too bad we can't ever get those back.

In terms of simple defensive arrangements we could prepare: if we've any broken robots with laser weapons built into them, mounting those to fixed mounts to provide a bit of a firepower boost wouldn't be too difficult and since we can plug them into mains supply (e,g the dam) we wouldn't even need MF cells or anything potentially. I'd also advise taking any dynamite we've got intended for Vault 22 / Sloan and using that against the horde.

One thing we could also look into doing that'd be extremely effective is getting them to concentrate on a single position so we can use the HELIOS laser to blast away as many of them as possible: frankly, it should've been deployed against the horde daily for the past month to chip away at their numbers.

>>4910325
Turrets in Fallout 3 and New Vegas tend to explode into a million pieces when they die. I dont know if there is a in game lore for that, or if Bethesda and Obsidian did that on purpose because turrets ragdoll like crazy. Do turrets explode, or stay mostly whole when defeated?

>>4910491
So like turn the upper half of a sentry bot into a turret, and possibly restore some Mr. Handy's and Mr. Gutsy's so they can hover in the air to provide ranged fire. I dont know if we have the time and man power for the task.

Did the BoS unlock the helios laser?

>>4910604
>So like turn the upper half of a sentry bot into a turret, and possibly restore some Mr. Handy's and Mr. Gutsy's so they can hover in the air to provide ranged fire. I dont know if we have the time and man power for the task.
Nah I mean the actual laser weapons in the robots; ripping them off and putting them onto pintle mounts or fixed into a firing arc (e,g covering a part of a kill-zone to protect our retreat).

>>4910608
Oh. I actually like that. Gatling lasers would be the idea weapon of choice since they're probably not destructive enough to destroy the dam, but strong enough to shoot down dozens of ghouls. We'd need to find some sentry bots and see if the BoS would be willing to letting us borrow some.

>>4910491
>>4910608
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/HELIOS_One
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Vault_11
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/REPCONN_headquarters
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Securitron_vault
These are all the locations where we can find Destroyed or yet to be destroyed Sentry Bots. We've already got a monopoly on most of these, and we'll just need to ask the Brotherhood is we can nap those robots.
Perhaps we could use some Scavenging actions next turn to retrieve those, then use a repair action to bribe the BoS Scribes to install those into the Dam.

>>4910292
Can we add that looting will be punished with 5 years forced labor, rape with death by hanging?

>>4910757
We can just say looting is illegal, and if it does happen and some looters miraculously don't get shot on site, the Courier will come for them personally. It's a promise.

I do wonder if some of the Rangers will come to try and protect the dam and the Mojave from this horde in an unofficial capacity, or have they already abandoned the principles of the Ranger Unification Treaty (granted no one expected the Courier Wildcard, but now they have a chance to make good on their word)? I'm not holding my breath, but it certainly would be a sight to see.

Also, given the rising crime it is time to found our law enforcement and I suggest the Desert Rangers be refounded to fulfil this purpose - that or some sort of community sheriffs system.

>>4910766
>I'm not holding my breath, but it certainly would be a sight to see.
I imagine we'll see depending on if Hanlon gets elected, since he is a Ranger and all; they might stick around in the NCR for him.

>>4910770
Aye, rising crime necessitates creating a branch of law enforcement.

Regarding the Rangers, I meant in an unofficial capacity against the horde specifically, not switching side politically just yet.

Regarding Hanlon, he has skeletons in his closet. I remember in one of the endings that the NCR Rangers faced Vietnam baby killer treatment when arriving back to the NCR homelands. We could sink his candidacy with a scandal, the real question is if whether it's in our interest to create such a scandal.

>>4910774
>I meant in an unofficial capacity against the horde specifically
Fair, but equally I don't think it's likely given the travel times to NV from their main postings are probably too long to respond - assuming the news has broken in the NCR rather than maintaining a wait-and-see attitude between Kimball and his allies (who presumably control any print / radio media that might make such a report with any serious notice).

>Regarding Hanlon, he has skeletons in his closet
If we're lucky - QM might bless us with the knowledge he was falsifying casualty reports back to California. It'd require we decided to end that quest in his favour too, which'd be a weird thing to then jump around and betray him but meh.

>>4910822
>(who presumably control any print / radio media that might make such a report with any serious notice).

But we control the our own radio from Black Mountain. Plus, when the tourists start leaving in droves the NCR can't put a gag order on all of them. There will be talk going around, especially this close to an election.

And like I said with Hanlon, I don't know why it would be in our best interests to sabotage the man and provide a political win to Kimball free of charge.

>>4910491
You never unlocked the weapon on Helios and you're unsure if the Brotherhood did
>>4910604
Turrets don't explode unless something makes them explode like...explosives. they'll just be destroyed and rendered inert.


Also, the ghoul horde isn't public knowledge. It's been kept in the upper echelons to mitigate panic. The Feeesiders thought they were creating defenses against the legion on the far side of the dam

>>4910774
I'm on the fence about Hanlon. Going for Kimball:
-Kimball is an idiot blowhard with more bark than bite
-We intimidated him into backing off
-He is the devil we know
-He keeps the NCR weak and less of a threat
-Hanlon may be butthurt about losing the Mojave

On the other hand, for Hanlon:
+Hanlon may be essential to maintaining the NCR-Legion power balance considering we buffed Caesar
+His schtick was that the NCR should stop trying to overextend by annexing Vegas
+We might have a favour or two to get from him
+He could try to bury the hatchet with us as to refocus on the "real enemy" of the Legion

And then there's the unknowns
?We don't know Hanlon's disposition or initial attitude towards us
?He could try harder to get us as an ally against the Legion
+?With a better deal?
??Carrot and stick?
-?With threats?

>>4910822
You guys didn't do the NCR mission to expose him because you guys didn't do the NCR missions at all.

As for Black Mountain, the range to send messages doesn't extent into the NCR or Legion heartland. Not yet of course

People of the Mojave, heed my words. I have come bearing a message.

Just recently, there was treachery. An assassination attempt took place on mine and President Kimball's lives. This plot, foiled by the courageous actions of my soldiers and NCR Rangers, was enacted by a lone gunman in New Vegas' honor guard. With his treachery rendered ineffective, the assassin took his own life rather than face justice. His motives for the attack remain a mystery, though one can imagine that foreign machinations played it's part.

A couple of hours after President Kimball left for Shady Sands, I received a report of large feral ghoul horde traveling though Legion territory down south. Though unspecified, it's strength is thought to be in the tens of thousands, and it's heading on a collision course towards New Vegas.

The Boomers, at my invitation, have already commenced bombing runs on the horde, dealing massive damage and taking a quarter of it's strength, but the feral ghouls remain undeterred from their shambling march on New Vegas.

There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our land, and our interests are in grave danger. We are surrounded by foreign interests who seek to take away our liberties, our land, our livelihoods. To this end, I have directed that all measures be taken for our collective defense.

I beseech you, the people, to look upon the faces of your community. Your family, your friends, acquaintances and companions alike. I want to ask you, are you willing to defend them? Are you willing to protect your community, your home, from this encroaching horde?

Folks, we face dark times in the month ahead, but I am confident that we, as a people, face this head on, and achieve a righteous victory against the dark forces arrayed against us. And as the darkness encroaches upon us, the lights of New Vegas shall never dim in response. Our people, our will, shall shine brighter in this absence of light, for this is not the end of night for us, but the darkness before the dawn of a new light. Our light. And we will fight to keep our people's light burning bright in this land, this nation, we call home.

God bless.

>>4910865
>Also, the ghoul horde isn't public knowledge. It's been kept in the upper echelons to mitigate panic. The Feeesiders thought they were creating defenses against the legion on the far side of the dam

Does Kreger think it wise to keep the horde a secret a while longer? Or do we give the people the truth?

>You never unlocked the weapon on Helios and you're unsure if the Brotherhood did

So we never did that mission?

>>4910887
Fun. What other missions haven't we done?

>>4910757
Jesus fucking christ what is wrong with you? No.

>>4910766
We told the NCR we had what it took to hold the Dam. They offered the first time, we declined.

>>4910869
We've already gone this far with Kimball. It'll take to much effort to try and switch sides to Hanlon.

>>4910887
Well shit. Can we change the courier action to upgrading and repairing Black Mountain so we can do damage control for the assassination attempt, while we send Ulyssess to help with the military action? If not, then can we dedicate a tourism action for damage control?
If we do not need to dedicate the tourism action, can we use it to instead help Goodsprings?

>>4910932
>was enacted by a lone gunman in New Vegas' honor guard.
That was a point we didnt want mentioned to the public.

>>4910935
>So we never did that mission?
Seems it's exactly as IP said.

>>4910973
>That was a point we didnt want mentioned to the public.

I thought the point of it was to get out a head of this? I'm sure Kimball will just spill the beans himself about our honor guard.

>Seems it's exactly as IP said.

That's a shame, it was a fun mission.

>Can we change the courier action to upgrading and repairing Black Mountain so we can do damage control for the assassination attempt, while we send Ulyssess to help with the military action?

We can switch our repair action with this if you want, but I would prefer we focus our Courier action on preventing panic and raising a militia.

>>4910992
That's true, but if we have Ulyesses head the military effort, he can provide a +4 and reduce the DC of whatever he does.
>>Ulysses has pledged himself to help create the nation the wasteland deserves. He adds +4 to any action he assists in and when working with The Courier, critical failures are negated and overall DT is lowered slightly.
Ah, I seem to had gotten my facts wrong.

>>4910887
>The NCR will begin an advertisement campaign for New Vegas and New Vegas will begin investing in alternative tourism attractions.
Did this mean Kimballs team wont twist the narrative, or do we still need to beat them to the punchline?
You forgot to include Ulyssess modifiers to the update

>>4910992
>but I would prefer we focus our Courier action on preventing panic and raising a militia.
True but we are double dipping by investing the courier and a military action for the recruitment drive.

>>4910992
>We can switch our repair action with this if you want, but I would prefer we focus our Courier action on preventing panic and raising a militia.
Tempted to direct all our Handimen and Raul to do it along with the BoS, but I'm not sure if it will be enough. Theres also the issue of the Courier needing to personally investigating Black Mountain's satellites.

>>4911011
>Did this mean Kimballs team wont twist the narrative, or do we still need to beat them to the punchline?

It seems like he might, he might not. I don't really know what Kimball gains from signing an agreement then saying that the people he just dealt with and signed off on tried to assassinate him, especially on the eve of the election.

Of course, I could be misinterpreting his intentions. I thought we completed all the quests after all.

>>4911018
>True but we are double dipping by investing the courier and a military action for the recruitment drive.

I don't see it as double dipping, I see it as hedging our bets and laying a foundation for national unity and spirit. Plus, this would include visiting Jacobstown and actively recruiting them to our cause.

>>4911029
>Tempted to direct all our Handimen and Raul to do it along with the BoS, but I'm not sure if it will be enough. Theres also the issue of the Courier needing to personally investigating Black Mountain's satellites.

I guess it depends on what you would consider a bigger priority for our Courier action really.

It raises an interesting point though- can BOS Scribes help get our bomber operational in time to be of use?

>>4911011
The implication was that he wouldn't try to twist it but he wouldn't stop the media from reporting.

As for the quests, if they weren't part of the Yes Man path or had minimal NCR impact, you guys did them. The Hanlon mission would have been classified as a NCR mission which you guys voted against.

You could always ask for some scribes to help. They don't have much experience with ethanol but they are trained high tech mechanics

>>4910992
>I thought the point of it was to get out a head of this? I'm sure Kimball will just spill the beans himself about our honor guard.
>Well, let’s kill the elephant in the room first. I think it’s advantageous to you if the NCR public doesn’t find out that there was an attempt on my life or that this assassination attempt was by a member of your elite security team. To that end, my team and I will keep ourself quiet if you cede the issue about the child that the NCR allegedly recruited during our pullout.
Found it. This was what I was mostly worried about. If my fears are unfounded, then i 100% support your write-in.

>>4911052
You do bring up a good point. We have two weeks until the horde arrives, but the BoS scribes are some smart cookies. Question is are they smart enough.

>>4911066
In theory would it be possible to convert the bomber to ethanol in time for the fight if we had Raul, all our Handimen, as many scribes we could convince, the courier, and Ulysses work together to get it air worthy within two weeks?

>>4911068
If you have you, Ulysses, Raul, his handymen and the scribes? I mean gameplay wise yeah the DT would be low as hell lmao

>>4911083
Cool. Not sure if other anons would be for it, but cool. If it's just Raul, his handimen, and the Scribes, what would be the DC?

>>4911068
Where would we get all the ethanol from on such short notice? Call up every bar in the Mojave and requisition all their whisky?

>>4911095
>Call up every bar in the Mojave and requisition all their whisky?
Something tells me this isn't a good idea.

>>4911101
>>4911095
The Boomers have a good enough supply themselves, creating it from agricultural surplus

>>4911106
Looks like that solves our fuel issue.

>>4911093
I assume lower than before, given that there more experienced skilled help, but not as crazy low as if both the Courier/Ulysses duo helping out.

Whether you think there are other priorities that need be handled is a different question entirely. For instance, we still need a solution to the rising crime problem, as medium priority as that is atm. Black Mountain was another action as well. And I'm still of the opinion that helping with recruitment/PR efforts would be a smart move long term.

>>4911136
It's hard to swallow going for that option when theres a horde of thousands of feral ghouls expected to arrive around two weeks from now.

>>4911141
Ok, let's assume that the Military, Industry, Scavange, and Tourism actions have been settled for the moment. What do we prioritize with our Courier Action, Meeting, Repair and Other actions? You want to repair the bomber and test out Black Mountain, yea? Should we leave the Boomer artillery alone? What of pheromone dispenser? Do we talk to Westside or Jacobstown? And do we want to leave it up to just one dice roll for each military/defense actions, or would we like to shore up those odds?

I'm just curious as to what you'd like to accomplish this turn before the battle starts.

>>4911163
For the courier action we would go to the black mountain radio station to further understand the goings ons up there, in addition to improving it's receiving and broadcasting rang so we can do some PR control.
For the Meeting we would meet between Westside or Jacobstown this turn or the next.
The military actions were already fine as they were, same as industry.
Scavenging is fine honestly, but other anon made an interesting point about converting destroyed robots into manned turrets. Maybe we could invest scavenging actions to throw scavengers at Repcon Headquarters and Vault 11 to acquire some sentry bots and convert the few that had gatling lasers into manned turrets.
For repair we'll try throwing Raul, his handimen, some BoS Scribes, maybe the Bright members if they think their knowledge in rocket propulsion can help, and bribing Chris to bring his ass from Repconn to the Boomers to convert Pearl to accept ethenol.
Old tourism action is boned since we dont have the range yet, so we could use it to buy shit for Goodsprings to process brahmins (anyone remember how many caps they're losing per week?)
Other action could be used to hire engineers to help Henry work on the cazidor pheromone stuff.

Next week, we use the courier action for PR and further preparing with Ulysses helping, and the meeting action to meet with westside or Jacobstown.
Military action is largely the same, as is industry. Actually maybe incorporate the AA guns into the fight. Survivalist mentioned we could angle them lower to hit ground targets.
Svavanging actions would be divided into two for Vault 34 and your general search for things that go boom and heavy weapons.
Repair action would be asking the BoS to install manned gatling turrets nests at the dam and down south if we can wire power there.
Tourism would depend on what happens during the update.
Other action would be moving the Boomers artillery so they can help in the defense. I recall they got more than one.

Sorry about the being everywhere. Everyone's got good ideas, and Survivalist throws in fact checks which makes some choices seem null.

>>4911218
I try to keep from retconning things and interjecting, but yeah sometimes I ruin plans because I hate my players

>>4911255
based as fuck QM

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>>4911255
>F

So what are we gonna change now. Tourism action is canceled.

>>4911373
I mean you guys can do things that aren't directly related to the horde. Such as important glass and wood to fix cottonwood or hiring out experts to fix the plumbing in Primm.

>>4911388
I'm still sold on the idea of putting fucking gatling lasers pulled off of defeated sentry bots being cool as fuck. We could turn something harrowing and scary into an awesome laser light show.

>>4911388
I just want to confirm with you right now. We can use a tourism action to hiring people to teach willing Freesiders how to work with glass and wood, in addition to hiring on some people from the NCR to take up some permanent Repair based teaching jobs so we get a passive influx of handymen?

>>4911534
We gonna do this after horde or everyone who learns a new trade gets eaten

>>4911587
Asking a hypothetical quest here. I personally think we should throw the Tourist action at Goodsprings. Would you by chance have a better idea for a Tourist action?

>>4911618
Hot springs and spas sound rad.

>>4911619
I already like you. Here have a (you) for your troubles.

>>4911534
Not to teach, I think it's fair to say your repairmen can do something as simple as putting in windows and replacing some of the wood. You can use the action to buy the materials, hire contractors to do a certain job related to tourism (or even to settle) or other things like this

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Meanwhile in Shady Sands….

Another day, another fucking hearing. At this point, it would have been better for the NCR to have won in the Mojave just to not have to put up with the bitching from above and below.

It especially doesn't help that these hearings are public and transmitted over the radio to any mouth breather that cares enough to listen.

You pull out the agenda your assistant gave you. Let's see here…"Hearing over NCR Ranger effectiveness in the NCR campaign". Jesus this is gonna be a long one.

When you decided to run for Senate, you figured you'd meet with a few people a week, rub some elbows, take some bribes. Now ever since the whole Crimson Caravan-Van Graff scandal and the loss in the Mojave, the public is out for blood.

"Senator Armstrong, do you have a moment?"

You turn around on instinct and wish you hadn't.

"Senator Armstrong, you voted no on the recent impeachment of President Kimball. Care to share your reasoning?"

Journalists truly are the scourge of society.

[I don't believe that what President Kimball did in the Mojave is an impeachable offense. The loss of New Vegas was due to a great many factors and we shouldn't start looking for scapegoats.]

"And can you comment on the recent assassination attempt by one of New Vegas's elite soldiers?"

[We should be thankful that he wasn't successful but this is just another example that the independent state of New Vegas is not a legitimate nation. It's a war-torn country supported by a robot army not even capable of getting its own soldiers. Now I'm very busy so that'll be all for now.]

You hurry down the hall to the hearing room before the reporter can utter any other drivel.

Entering, you find fellow senator's from Shady Sands and The Boneyard. Sitting in front of them is General Oliver, former Ranger Chief Hanlon and General Salter.

It's going to be a long day.

>>4911624
What action is required, to use our network of contacts in the NCR to hire teachers then?

>>4911650
>Entering, you find fellow senator's from Shady Sands and The Boneyard. Sitting in front of them is General Oliver, former Ranger Chief Hanlon and General Salter.
i have a bad feeling about this

>>4911650
>We should be thankful that he wasn't successful but this is just another example that the independent state of New Vegas is not a legitimate nation. It's a war-torn country supported by a robot army not even capable of getting its own soldiers. Now I'm very busy so that'll be all for now.

Yea, it's shit like this that makes my blood boil. I'm suddenly very glad we don't have a military deal with the NCR.

>Entering, you find fellow senator's from Shady Sands and The Boneyard. Sitting in front of them is General Oliver, former Ranger Chief Hanlon and General Salter.

>start dusting off the Great Khans

>>4911218
Yea, I fully support mitigating the PR damage with Black Mountain now. We're going to need to get a handle and get ahead of the NCR situation before we lose total control over it.

The military conspiracy is making me uneasy, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's against us.

Should we keep the horde a secret, and use rising crime as a justification to set up a militia and bolster our numbers? Or do we go full on Stalin and declare this is a Great Patriotic War against the legion of ghouls at our doorstep?

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Searchlight_East_gold_mine
Goooooollllldddd

>>4911866
>one of two

We really did strike gold, didn't we? You are are glorious anon, and you have by gratitude.

>>4910325
You know, we could probably still use the malfunctioning minigun against the horde. It probably ran out of ammunition now, and it's still active nature means we can just set it up on a tripod and point it in the general direction of the horde while we retreat. Make a pillbox around it and it'll probably do some outsized damage to the horde on its own while it passes though.

>>4910869
Keep in mind, the NCR is the real danger here. With their population, level of technology, and industrial output, they could feasibly take on a clear headed Ceaser even at his best, and that's without the military reforms Harlon plans on enacting. We really need to encourage the NCR to become even more bloated bureaucratically, and corrupt and incompetent on every level we feasibly can.

That said, even though I imagine that we never met Harlon in this timeline, I'd imagine he'll give us a fair shake, and wouldn't try to fuck with us. He may try and give us a decent deal for fighting the Legion, but he isn't an expansionist and wouldn't want to get involved in another war over the damn dam.

>>4911665
Thinking more on this, I think it's more of a dressing down of the military by the politicians. We know General Oliver will try to throw Hanlon under the bus if he can.

>>4911897
>We know General Oliver will try to throw Hanlon under the bus if he can.
And when he does, we'll be there to pick him up from the ashes. Oliver may have his heavy shock troopers, but we'll be the ones with the NCR Veteran Rangers > Desert Rangers. We just need to bid our time.

>>4911866
>>4911897
I'd researched all the mines (and caves) in the region and discussed them privately with QM but since it's been brought up here's the key points: Lucky Jim Mines should be viable since it seems to be post-war; Bootjack cavern is another source of sulphur (and potassium, like Vault 22); other mines are a bit harder to say as there are less signs of post-war activity.

I've my doubts that the gold mines are particularly rich anymore, as I presume any easy deposits would've been exploited either pre-war or pre-house (or even pre-us, since the NCR did have Searchlight under their control). If they've got gold, great: we can use that to back our currency and thusly gain a more stable variant on the NCR dollar (as their gold reserves were irradiated / damaged by the BOS War). If they've not got gold, we can still salvage the minecart tracks and such, as well as any mining equipment.

>Keep in mind, the NCR is the real danger here. With their population, level of technology, and industrial output, they could feasibly take on a clear headed Ceaser even at his best, and that's without the military reforms Harlon plans on enacting. We really need to encourage the NCR to become even more bloated bureaucratically, and corrupt and incompetent on every level we feasibly can.
Yep. The NCR has a population for in excess of ours with a more developed economy and society. We've made amazing progress in the last six odd months but it's important to realise the NCR has almost a hundred year head start on the whole "being a nation" thing; even if we make 10 times the progress every year they make, it'll take a decade just to catch up to where they are and who knows how much further ahead they will be by then?

"We are fifty or a hundred years behind the advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they will crush us" - To quote Joseph Stalin, as unwise as some find him, in this we find a deep and worrying comparison. We are bordered by a fanatic and somewhat primitive empire to our east that has been undergoing rapid expansionism and modernisations; we are bordered to our west by industrially and economically more advanced nations which seek to exploit us. Comparisons to Japan and the Western world respectively can be drawn fairly easily. We must advance, vigorously and effectively. We must expand, concisely and vastly. We must develop, quickly and directly.

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>>4911650
>Courier Action
Unfucking NCR bureaucracy bullshit with PR announcements, check out Black Mountain and maybe upgrade it. We're taking Ulysses. Oh, and fuck Kimball. >>4910932 this motherfucker made a good write in.
Meeting with Jacobstown or Westside. I don't care which one comes first.

>Military Action
>>4910292 this I'm lazy
Move a pair of Securitrons to Repconn HQ. They got robots and shit there.

>Industry
>>4910292 this I'm lazy

>Scavenge
Veronica+ 50 scavangers to Repconn HQ. Bring power armor.
Cyberdogs+ 110 scavangers to Vault 11. There be sacrificial robots.

>Repair
Doc Henry, Raul, and his Handimen work on the pheromone dispersal mechanics. Let the bug and zombies kill each other. We better fix Pearl next week.

>Tourism
Fucking I don't know. Goodsprings: Brahmin processing, hot springs, and spas. We can do a play on names. "Welcome to the Goodsprings Hotsprings hotel!"

>Other
Move the Boomers howitzers. We better ask the BoS to install all the miniguns and gatling laser to the Dam.

With any hope we'll get an update soonish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvjOG5gboFU

>>4911934
This reminds me that we'll need to talk to Chomp sometime after the horde, preferably after our Brain. If we talk to the Big MT folks to get them focused on projects first, the sooner they'll get them done.

>>4911934
Bring on the Courier Restoration then. We need to develop Imperial Japan's level of intensity for hard work and civic duty, and it's going to be adapt or die. We can send observers to the other faction, see what cultural, economic, martial, and politics ideas benefit us and what doesn't. We should also develop a 'Service Guarantees Citizenship' mentality as well.

>>4911942
We need a police force, prison, and Intelligence agency quickly, with a proper education system soon after, and the military reorganized.

>>4911954
On top of our big list yes. We could probably dedicate some military actions towards those. A police force and prison will be easier to accomplish. A meeting action and some convince of the Kings to become the urban police force of the Mojave will be a bit tricky but I think we could pull it off. We could then use another military action to buy whatever we need to get the prison ready for prisoners.

Here's an idea: invest heavily into psycho-indoctrinstion and simulation training for willing agents. Once we make that brain scanner device safer to screen candidates for new agents, we could work our way up from there. What do you think?

>>4911961
>Here's an idea: invest heavily into psycho-indoctrinstion and simulation training for willing agents. Once we make that brain scanner device safer to screen candidates for new agents, we could work our way up from there. What do you think?

That could work. You're going to need to make sure the brain scanner doesn't use up the brain, and make sure that the brain stays in the person as well. Long term goals I guess.

>>4911942
>This reminds me that we'll need to talk to Chomp sometime after the horde, preferably after our Brain. If we talk to the Big MT folks to get them focused on projects first, the sooner they'll get them done.
We need to talk to Chomp ASAP, simple fact is he'll direct us to good economic actions (outside of expanding tourism). As to Big Mt science? I'm doubtful as to the productivity of senile geniuses but if nothing else, what they've already developed should prove useful - if erratic in focus and effectiveness.

If nothing else I want to get some scientific development up by the 18th month of our rule. Although my focus is on agricultural studies, medical research, programming and so on rather than high-tech invisibility or plasma weapons; a small increase in productivity from our farms or a new better / cheaper formula for producing stimpaks or radaway arguably does more on a national scale over time than alternative research while also being easier to start and to implement.

>>4911954
Potentially, personally my solution is the Voltron method: we need to acquire as many tribal allies to our north as possible to expand our territory, population and access to pre-war facilities / technology for use / study. Conquest will be needed in the case of at least a few tribes but I'm hopeful that we can avoid direct declarations of war (since our tribal allies will likely request we assist them in eliminating X or Y groups for us). After that we can attempt to absorb them via Courier bullshit.

Throw on the fact that such expansion brings us closer to the Mormons (a pre-war tech-capable group - if admittedly severely damaged by Legion action) with whom we can trade and hopefully either absorb or secure some immigrants from.

>>4911961
Psycho-indoctrination might be possible but knowing Fallout will either result in psychosis, brain damage or kill 90% of subjects. As for our police force, community sheriffs for local enforcement backed by rangers for regional / national enforcement seems perfectly suitable and keeps the administrative load for us low.

>>4911618
Good spring: the sanitarium for
respiratory illnesses and Health problems.

Hear me out: against respiratory illnesses clean air is the best cure. Good dry desert air, salt air inhaltion and some tribal herbs will cure any patient that comes from the city, with their smoke and industriell polution.
Also some sport for the fat people will work wonders, maybe we find a shaman who is interessiert.
Maybe we find a hot spring

>>4911989
>doubt
Their senility I think was brought on when Dr. Moebius messee with their memories to make them mostly forget about who they are. They all seem to be recovering nicely if you noticed our interaction with Dr. Borous last time. There's five Think Tanks at Big MT, Six if you count Dr. Moebius but I think hes the one with actual Alzheimers or slight senility. If we go to Big MT at least once then we can have our brain direct all the scientists on specific projects, such as a Securitron/robotics production and upgrade facility, improved research in regards to mutants, potentially recreating unmutated pre-war animals, better alloys and compound formulas for armor, uh... better music. Maybe a restored a Robot Scorpion army. (A little something each of the scientists can work on). No matter how you want to play it, these people are probably smarter than almost everyone in the West coast with the mad scientist tier science they developed.
Chomp Lewis is just a miner. Albeit an experienced one but still only a miner nonetheless. His expertise only reaches so far, and if we wanted our think tank friends could develop some tech that could improve our industry or mining effort to great effect.

>If nothing else I want to get some scientific development up by the 18th month of our rule.
Everything you mentioned could be achieved with a few Industry, Repair, and Other actions where as it only requires a meeting action to get the scientists focused on some projects. The way I see it, the Think Tank is still worth seeing before Chomp.

You just need to refine the technology before it can be used safely. Sherrifs sure but can you think of a more secure intelligence agency than indoctrination?

>>4912140
Okay but how should we implement that exactly? Do we construct a bath house around the hot springs? If there was a hot springs around Goodsprings, would they not have found it by now? How do you want to implement the health and wellness exactly? Say there's a customer. How will you sell them on the idea, and how will you provide the service? I'm curious.

>>4912242
>Their senility I think was brought on when Dr. Moebius messed with their memories to make them mostly forget about who they are. They all seem to be recovering nicely if you noticed our interaction with Dr. Borous last time. There's five Think Tanks at Big MT, Six if you count Dr. Moebius but I think hes the one with actual Alzheimers or slight senility.
It doesn't matter the cause, only it's presence although I grant you they might be somewhat more sane than they used to be, we shall see.

>If we go to Big MT at least once then we can have our brain direct all the scientists on specific projects, such as a Securitron/robotics production and upgrade facility, improved research in regards to mutants, potentially recreating unmutated pre-war animals, better alloys and compound formulas for armor, uh... better music. Maybe a restored a Robot Scorpion army. (A little something each of the scientists can work on).
We shall see.

>No matter how you want to play it, these people are probably smarter than almost everyone in the West coast with the mad scientist tier science they developed.
Possibly, on the other hand Big Mt had a vast staff using the resources of the entirety of the US, Canada and Mexico pre-war to achieve it's goals, it's entirely possible that for all their genius, we shall find them lacking.

>Chomp Lewis is just a miner. Albeit an experienced one but still only a miner nonetheless. His expertise only reaches so far, and if we wanted our think tank friends could develop some tech that could improve our industry or mining effort to great effect.
They can develop the tech but can we produce it? Can we train wastelanders to use it? Unlikely given their sporadic and often ultra-specialised inventions. It's no different than if we got Power Armour designs or knew how to produce mini-nukes: knowing how to do something doesn't change the need for resources OR lacking a capacity to do it; doesn't matter if you know how to knit if you have no knitting-needles; doesn't matter if you know how to make a invisibility suit if you have no polymer-printers.

Chomp Lewis meanwhile is a guy with practical applications for the post-war world as a speciality who I think you are underestimating. He knows our situation on the ground, he knows what the NCR has and he knows what is reasonably possible.

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>>4912315
>using the resources of the entirety of the US, Canada and Mexico pre-war to achieve it's goals
I'm gonna lay out some really fuckledly weird news that might be concerning: in the post credits of the Old World Blue's dlc it's mentioned that one facility some how transported itself into the Repconn facility to murder Fiends for better Sneaki Breeki test results, one is spamming cyberdogs to protect communities, and another is simping for our stealth suit wife and sent something out to search for it. I think most things in Big MT is self automated, so resources and personnel shouldn't be a problem until detailed by Survivalist.

>They can develop the tech but can we produce it?
Probably. It's a wonder how they were able to make all those Cazidors, Nightstalkers, and other mutant nasties they let loose into the wasteland. I also suspect they have some advanced future tech bullshit recycler.

>Can we train wastelanders to use it?
yes

>Unlikely given their sporadic and often ultra-specialised inventions.
Not necessarily that. It's why we left our brain in the Big MT, so our brain can facilitate research efforts and make sure the scientist don't get distracted.

>I think you are underestimating
To be fair I know he's a capable man, but when you stack him up against a Think Tank's worth of literal super scientists? It's hardly a fair comparison. In regards to QM posts to player actions, we could get 5x more actions out of assigning tasks to the Think Tank first, where as Chomp is one man.

>>4911650
This is absolutely unrealted and definitely will not die into murdering people in the future, but do the families that run New Reno have any unique armor, weapons, and clothing?

>>4912315
Yes this reasoning is mirrored by many. Finding schematics and plans is the easy part, the highly-specialized manufacturing processes and the material needed

>>4912432
did we kill house, or disconnect him from accessing anything remotely while leaving him to die a slow death?

>>4911934
Another issue with the mines its only nearby settlement is radiated to hell. The mines while present are a pain to exploit with no nearby easy expansions without relying upon ghouls. So far we don't seem to have a lot of those given how New Vegas only lightly got nuked. We would have to import them like the super mutants whose numbers will only swell thanks to actually helping to resolve their medical issues. The issue is we actually have more attraction to super mutants than ghouls. The super mutants are under Marcus not us.

NCR is similar to legion in that it is toast in a few decades. Harlon is dangerous precisely because he is painfully aware of how overstretched and bloated the NCR is. Which is why he fucking hated the entire New Vegas campaign from the beginning. Getting dragged into the Mojave is the LAST thing he wants is yet another battlefront to open. That stuff gives him nightmares. The issue is that he only can try to help reform their military but isn't able to resolve the bureaucracy and corruption. Which will fuck them in terms of logistical support and waste. IF he wins NCR army gets a tune up but isn't able to fix the ungodly logistical clusterfuck due to its heavy reliance on NCR's bureaucratic hellscape and rampant corruption to allow people like SGT Contreras to thrive. Who by the way was so damn successful to have access to unique weaponry and ungodly amounts of munitions. I'm sad we never poached that guy for a quartermaster. The guy was brilliant albeit greedy vicious fucker but he played it straight with us and Gun Runners.

In truth, we don't have to so much as beat the NCR or Legion as simply as outlasting the fuckers who are doomed in a few decades. This means so far making sure the fighting in the south stays hot. Luckily Caesar has a personal bone to pick with the NCR. So he isn't about to backdown from the fighting.

>>4912441
>Hanlon
Make me believe that Kimball was blowing some hot air when he gave us hat warning about Hanlon.

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/New_California_Republic
>(even as far as 2281, one can find super mutants tortured by NCR citizens with impunity or politicians who make a career out of anti-mutant bigotry).
>The Courier: "Do you know anything about that Super mutant walking around town?"
>Klamath Bob: "Oh, heh. Yeah, that's Mean Sonofabitch. I know the name sounds bad, but he likes it. He's one nasty old coot. Far as I can tell, he's one of them original Super Mutants, what came from the Boneyard. Wandered about after that "Master" fellow died. Eventually got caught somewhere around the Hub, back in NCR. Boy, they sure treated him mean down there. Cut him up so bad he can't talk no more. I tried to buy him, just so they'd stop hurting him, but they didn't want any of it."
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Mercenary_note
Due to or during Kimballs presidency there has been a rise to discrimination against mutants in the NCR as tolerant has been on the decline. Once we get Black Mountain capable of broadcasting into NCR territory, we can pilfer all their mutant citizens. Super mutants can travel to Jacobstown, ghouls and head to Searchlight but honestly they could also go the Nelson or Nipton too if they so wished.

>>4912425
>I'm gonna lay out some really fuckledly weird news that might be concerning: in the post credits of the Old World Blue's dlc it's mentioned that one facility some how transported itself into the Repconn facility to murder Fiends for better Sneaki Breeki test results, one is spamming cyberdogs to protect communities, and another is simping for our stealth suit wife and sent something out to search for it. I think most things in Big MT is self automated, so resources and personnel shouldn't be a problem until detailed by Survivalist.
Old World Blues is a silly DLC, so I'm generally trying to temper expectations of what QM will give us from it (especially as, in private, he's referred to the fact producing - not developing - advanced tech in any quantity is a real limit, see >>4912432). It might well be the case that Big Mt solves all of our problems through sufficient science but I doubt it.

>yes
I doubt we can train people to use a lot of it man, like shit; we haven't even got a system of education let alone something capable of producing people that won't accidentally lose a leg to a atomically-assisted-isotope-decoupling-module or some shit.

>It's why we left our brain in the Big MT, so our brain can facilitate research efforts and make sure the scientist don't get distracted.
I suppose, although that doesn't at all address my point. They are great scientists, I guess, but considering their eccentricities and post-war senility I doubt their productivity, their focus and their actual ability to produce field-applicable technology. These the scientists who, on the one hand, clearly had something going for them pre-war yet at the same time, one of them fed their dog a diet of psycho and buffout as if that was a totally normal thing to do. Not even a experiment.

>To be fair I know he's a capable man, but when you stack him up against a Think Tank's worth of literal super scientists? It's hardly a fair comparison. In regards to QM posts to player actions, we could get 5x more actions out of assigning tasks to the Think Tank first, where as Chomp is one man.
I disagree they're "super scientists" to be frank. Geniuses maybe - I think the word savant might be closer to reality frankly. Yet that still doesn't change my point nor the issues with them; what good is 5 times as many ideas we can't feasibly implement because they require a 2060s economy when we can't even manage to create a 1960s economy full stop?

Chomp meanwhile has practical, practiced and effective ideas which we know will improve our situation, not strain our capabilities and reliably improve our situation while building towards more miraculous goals. Super science exists and will be used, sure but the honest truth is it matters more how productive our farmers are or how many tons of concrete we can make than if we have invisible spies and laser guns.

>>4912453
Black Mountain already had radio that even with its shit range attracted a lot of super mutants over. Given how many of them you could find in game and how quickly they bounced back. Not to mention the Nightkin can get treatment now so their numbers especially will swell and they will drag other super mutants along. They no doubt have a shit ton of stealth boys too. We also have the radioactive vault for ghouls with valuable skills. Over time we will end up with a shitload of super mutants. Including eventual troublemakers searching for FEV. For now, that is Markus's problem but he isn't very good at handling problem cases in the long term. The super mutants will eventually start to get ornery as their numbers swell and other troublesome elements show up among them. That is a later problem though but something to keep in mind. As I highly doubt the BOS will appreciate super mutants hunting for FEV basing themselves in the Mojave. On the plus side though super mutant troops and workers will be extremely helpful. Especially in the Divide.

Kimball is full of shit about Hanlon but the Courier In Game doesn't know that since he never did enough quests for the NCR to get familiar with him. He is just someone who can potentially delay NCRs downfall but won't be very hostile to us because fuck having yet another battlefront. Hanlon was shitting bricks about them all even before the Mojave campaign which finally made him snap. Hanlon desperately wants to drawback NCR expansionism but can't. So the next best thing is reducing the number of active battlefronts they're engaged in. Which he cannot do with Caesar but can with other areas. Hence he will play nice about the Mojave because he desperately doesn't want more battlefronts to worry about.

It's worth noting Caesar also knows about NCR crippling issues his problem is he wants to be alive still to see them go down personally. So he is very impatient about it.

>>4912441
Marcus is a good ally, he will be happy that the mutants have purpose and security - that they won't be abused but will be kept safe / comfortable / happy. Especially if we make a token gesture of funding the research into reversing their loss of memory / inteligence / making them smarter. Which we'd want to do anyway, since it'll probably apply to regular humans too to some degree.

NCR is fucked yes, they're less than a decade out from famine (2291 it's predicted to start) and if we decided to cut our water to them when it hit - their situation would go from bad to worse. Especially if we can secure the north and generally contain the NCR: if they can't expand, they'll have to look internally to some degree sure - but if we can prod Caesar into keeping the pressure up they ought to be distracted. Throw on some careful spy action to eliminate key infrastructure and they ought to crumble. Arranging with the BOS to clean up the NCR and we've a decent setup - if admittedly at risk of letting the BOS become a major player in the west again.

In regards to keeping Caesar fighting, we want to secure the north for this purpose too: the less directions he has to think about the more he'll focus on the NCR and the more we can lightly coordinate with him by trade and exchanges to ensure we get anything of value from him while keeping him focused on our goals in a grander scheme of things.

>>4912453
Appealing to mutants would also be popular to the Followers of the Apocalypse since we can lean into the whole "all equal under the courier" shtick.

>>4912484
>Black Mountain already had radio that even with its shit range attracted a lot of super mutants over. Given how many of them you could find in game and how quickly they bounced back
Yep, plus we've Marcus: a guy who was a lieutenant of the Master. If he sends out a call, lots of mutants will respond just out of a want for the old days.

I disagree that the courier wouldn't be aware of the NCR's issues given he's wandered through there - he might not know quite as many particulars but still.

>>4912495
He would know of the general issues but not the specifics like what Hanlon is like and knows about is what I meant. Even if they keep expanding they will die because simply cannot manage all the clay they take and getting dragged down too badly by paperwork/corruption. Expansion merely delays it by a few decades at best. Even Caesar is smarter about land management. That is assuming everything goes right for the NCR which we all know Caesar isn't about to ever let happen. Caesar may not like us but he hates the NCR a lot more. He won't actively turn hostile unless we outright team up with the NCR against him. Once he dies it's another story though.

Unleashing the BOS on the weakened NCR is a very risky venture. These are the traditionalists we are talking about. They aren't nearly as reasonable as Maxson's reformist faction. The BOS are just waiting for weakness to show up in the NCR before they spring. They may not be able to sustain prolonged engagements but they can still unleash a terrible amount of punishment before quickly withdrawing and there is no way the NCR can mobilize fast enough with enough manpower to really stop them. The last time the NCR seriously fought BOS they nuked their gold supply and that was back when the NCR was still full of vitality. I'm still not sure what the hell anons are up to with the BOS exactly. As much as I fear Maxson he is at least surprisingly reasonable.

In terms of Caesar, I wanna approach Dead Sea about granting Legion Caravan access to Novac. This will allow them to trade without being exposed to the degeneracy of New Vegas itself and serve as a neutral ground between NCR and Legion traders. I highly doubt Caesar will be able to resist the temptation of that much trade to boost his own war efforts against the NCR while giving a way to turn a blind eye should anyone 'happen' to wander over to New Vegas for some fun on the down low. The tricky part is convincing him we plan to advance northward so he doesn't have to invest too heavily in manpower there to counter the NCR northward allowing him to concentrate on the south. Which would be terrible for the overstretched NCR if the Legion is able to focus down on a single battlefield while they cannot. Its an offer I agree that Caesar won't be able to resist but we have to prove we intend to expand North so he is willing to truly divert his efforts away from the north.

Breaking news from Republican Radio

We interrupt the regularly scheduled broadcast with a breaking news bulletin. General Lee Oliver, supreme commander of the NCR Army, has resigned from his post citing health reasons. This comes at the time of a series of defects along the northernmost battlelines in Nevada. President Kimball has nominated General Cassandra Moore, veteran of the Mojave campaign, to the position. Congress will vote on the nomination next week.

Fore some happier news, recent breakthroughs from the Office of Science and Industry. Combining increased water supply from the Mojave and newly created computer simulations, agricultural output across the country is expected to increase 15% just in the next year. You know what that means folks, get ready for some cheaper grub. This will conclude the special news bulletin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-aK6JnyFmk

>>4912478
A good work around QM is developing and improving the software of the Securitrons to be more energy efficiency, better in combat, and more capable of interpreting orders.

>>4912484
I think we could offer to manufacture and give intelligence boosting implants to trust worthy super mutants that can keep the peace.

>>4912495
>making super mutants smarts
>hmmmmm's in Think Tank researchers

>>4912573
He fucking staged it himself.

>>4912573
Oh god that's defeats not defects. The NCR soldiers are not leaving to join the legion

>>4912582
How much you wanna bet that the NCR will be over run with killer spores and man eating plants? I got 100 caps on it happening with next year.

Did we all agree on what to do for all our actions yet?

>>4912567
>He would know of the general issues but not the specifics like what Hanlon is like and knows about is what I meant. Even if they keep expanding they will die because simply cannot manage all the clay they take and getting dragged down too badly by paperwork/corruption. Expansion merely delays it by a few decades at best. Even Caesar is smarter about land management. That is assuming everything goes right for the NCR which we all know Caesar isn't about to ever let happen. Caesar may not like us but he hates the NCR a lot more. He won't actively turn hostile unless we outright team up with the NCR against him. Once he dies it's another story though.
True. I would note however >>4912573 changes the calculus a bit in terms of their need to expand and their ability to do so...assuming it isn't propoganda.

>Unleashing the BOS on the weakened NCR is a very risky venture. These are the traditionalists we are talking about. They aren't nearly as reasonable as Maxson's reformist faction. The BOS are just waiting for weakness to show up in the NCR before they spring. They may not be able to sustain prolonged engagements but they can still unleash a terrible amount of punishment before quickly withdrawing and there is no way the NCR can mobilize fast enough with enough manpower to really stop them. The last time the NCR seriously fought BOS they nuked their gold supply and that was back when the NCR was still full of vitality. I'm still not sure what the hell anons are up to with the BOS exactly. As much as I fear Maxson he is at least surprisingly reasonable.
Fair but also somewhat my point: the BOS would wreck the NCR but probably be destroyed / ruined in the process as a major force, leaving us to sweep them aside or cajole compliance afterwards - especially if the Legion are still a threat.

>In terms of Caesar, I wanna approach Dead Sea about granting Legion Caravan access to Novac. This will allow them to trade without being exposed to the degeneracy of New Vegas itself and serve as a neutral ground between NCR and Legion traders. I highly doubt Caesar will be able to resist the temptation of that much trade to boost his own war efforts against the NCR while giving a way to turn a blind eye should anyone 'happen' to wander over to New Vegas for some fun on the down low.
Seems a decent idea although I see no reason they have to come so deep into our territory for trade, given we control land on the far side of the dam we can trade there.

>The tricky part is convincing him we plan to advance northward so he doesn't have to invest too heavily in manpower there to counter the NCR northward allowing him to concentrate on the south. Its an offer I agree that Caesar won't be able to resist but we have to prove we intend to expand North so he is willing to truly divert his efforts away from the north.
I mean, that ain't hard; he knows we can't expand south or west and we're not so insane as to attack him so that leaves north.

>>4912578
>A good work around QM is developing and improving the software of the Securitrons to be more energy efficiency, better in combat, and more capable of interpreting orders.
To a degree yes but there is only so far you can optimise and improve before hardware limits you - memory sizes, CPU speeds, in the end everything comes back to manufacturing.

>making super mutants smarts
Not really making them smart so much as reversing the damage FEV did to them. It's a thing that was more so focused on the Nightkin in-game given they suffer severe schizophrenia over time and in theory - removal of their amnesia / brain damage / retardation from the FEV might resolve it or at least reduce its effects / delay its development.

>>4912586
>How much you wanna bet that the NCR will be over run with killer spores and man eating plants?
Tunnellers are meant to hit them some time this decade, potentially fairly soon; would be all too poetic for them to develop better farming, stabilise their borders against the legion and then all get eaten by the Subterranean-Super-Species.

>>4912264
Well the idea of vacation from the city to the country side is nothing new, i would sell it as a combination of "charge your batteries in a true down to earth western town", "talk and learn from real braham ranchers" , enjoy true frontier culinaric and get back in shape with the training programm of the one and only courier.
The hot spring was just a suggestions, we would need to drill for it, but we dont have to

>>4912652
>...assuming it isn't propoganda.
Could very well be propaganda. Yep.

>>4912658
Don't forget that we can also give them cosmetic fixes since the FEV gave them saggy lips. It's why they have to pull them up to expose their teeth. We could also ask for people to donate their hair to give our super mutant friends so hair implants, in addition to fixing any skin boils they have. Fallout 1 and 2 Super Mutants are really ugly.

>>4912573
Question to Farkas: How advanced are the AutoDocs in the NCR?

>>4912586
We are also going to get fucked by that stuff anon. Especially the tunnelers. On the plus side, the NCR will be forced to help us exterminate them.

>>4912652
We know from our interactions with NCR in the Mojave alone how badly overstretched and bloated they are. Even Ulysses noted that it will doom the NCR in a matter of decades at most. Caesar is simply too impatient.

Legion collapses into a bunch of warlords without Caesar so depending on how quickly they collapse and how long Caesar lives. BOS need an opening before they are willing to wreck NCR because they are not willing to get caught in prolonged and costly engagements. Unlike the NCR and Legion, they cannot afford any serious casualties. So they won't move until there is a blatant weakness to exploit hard before the NCR can react and bail.

I more meant Novac because it's gearing to be a major trade hub due to accessibility that just happens to rest neatly between NCR and Legion. That is close enough range of New Vegas we can keep a close eye on it and they can easily visit if they so choose. Doing the trade on the other side of the Dam is easier for Legion but makes it harder to tap into both NCR and Legion mutual trading at the same time. Which is what I want is to be that intermediary and neutral ground for trade between them.

I agree it's not hard but we have to devote actions proving it to set Caesar at ease and give him an excuse to pull out and invest more heavily in the southern battlefronts. It's more about making sure the NCR doesn't get any ideas by advancing in that direction to expand/push Caesar to divide his forces against them. When he knows for a fact we're expanding that way he will quickly pull back his forces there as he will be at ease that the NCR won't be able to use it against him.

>>4912702
>We know from our interactions with NCR in the Mojave alone how badly overstretched and bloated they are. Even Ulysses noted that it will doom the NCR in a matter of decades at most. Caesar is simply too impatient.
Fair but equally just because something seems to be on the course for disaster doesn't mean it will reach that destination.

>Legion collapses into a bunch of warlords without Caesar so depending on how quickly they collapse and how long Caesar lives. BOS need an opening before they are willing to wreck NCR because they are not willing to get caught in prolonged and costly engagements. Unlike the NCR and Legion, they cannot afford any serious casualties. So they won't move until there is a blatant weakness to exploit hard before the NCR can react and bail.
Eh, Legion might hold together depending on who ends up on top of the pile and what reforms Caesar makes before his death (e,g actually creating a civil government with a system for selecting rulers after his passing).

>I more meant Novac because it's gearing to be a major trade hub due to accessibility that just happens to rest neatly between NCR and Legion. That is close enough range of New Vegas we can keep a close eye on it and they can easily visit if they so choose. Doing the trade on the other side of the Dam is easier for Legion but makes it harder to tap into both NCR and Legion mutual trading at the same time. Which is what I want is to be that intermediary and neutral ground for trade between them.
Fair enough in terms of location but equally, I'd advise keeping the NCR-Legion contact to a minimum if we want to avoid bloodshed and general disorder. Neutral ground only works when neither party has a literal blood-feud.

>I agree it's not hard but we have to devote actions proving it to set Caesar at ease and give him an excuse to pull out and invest more heavily in the southern battlefronts. It's more about making sure the NCR doesn't get any ideas by advancing in that direction to expand/push Caesar to divide his forces against them. When he knows for a fact we're expanding that way he will quickly pull back his forces there as he will be at ease that the NCR won't be able to use it against him.
Nah not really, my point is it's obvious we're expanding that direction and that we're not a threat to Caesar in any real terms - so if we make good offers to ensure his compliance he has little reason to refuse since he "can" destroy us "later".

>>4912724
>>4912702
Trading with the legion with NCR caravans in close proximity seems too risky imo.

>>4912750
Close proximity is a relative term, if we treat The Dam as a checkpoint which we keep people from crossing without permission / citizenship, we could keep the two groups basically separate with ease.

It also helps Legion caravans should from a distance look just like ordinary tribals for the most part. Especially since many are just ordinary traders who trade in and outside of the Legion's lands.

>>4912702
Several big planning questions regarding that we need to come up with. How are we going to deal with the Tunnellers? How would we respond to the collapse of either the NCR or Legion, should it happen? Hell, what about when we come to an untimely end or retire (how old are we again)? The latter two we don't need to worry about for a long time, but the earlier we can put plans in place the better.

>Tunnellers
Struggling to see how to effectively combat them, especially with our current capabilities
-Geophones for monitoring?
-Flamethrower-equipped vehicles?
-Bunker buster weaponry?

>NCR/Legion collapse
The question is how actively we want to get stuck in, and how we might maintain the power balance or at least ensure a friendly successor neighbour faction/s.
-Annex bits?
-Watch it play out?
-Support a successor faction?

>Our legacy
We are all that is holding the NVS together right now, we need to build a proper state that doesn't revolve around us before we can even consider this.
-Designate a chosen successor?
-Have a child and start a dynasty?
-A council to choose a new leader?
-Establish a full democratic system?

Am I being too hyperopic like this? Probably but hey, I like to spitball and plan shit.

>>4912767
We wont have to worry about the tunnelers for a few years. We could create some kind of virus that can be spread among them.
>see tunneler
>shoot with virus dark
>scare away with lights
>it infects other tunnelers
>repeat until all dead

>>4912767
Our legacy is an important issue.

We shouldn’t go democratic - the populace isn’t educated enough to make informed choices.

A return to monarchy but with the flavour of a corporation should be the go.

We’ll be the ‘Chairman’ of the New Vegas State - with the ‘Vice-Chair’ our son / daughter.

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>>4912813
To go further, I’d suggest we model our society along the lines of a corporate republic - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_republic

We should be like Andrew Ryan, with our own company controlling all of the most important assets and utilities; while allowing smaller companies to arise to provide public services (hospitals, goods, etc)

Possible flag attached

>>4912804
so like tunneller myxmatosis? I'm quite leery of bioweapons given they're playing with fire at the best of times (that reminds me, isn't the New Plague still canonically kicking around somewhere?) and can easily backfire or have unintended consequences. God knows what the radiation could mutate it into.

>>4912813
Sounds okay, but we should build in some means of doing away or otherwise compensating for with an incompetent or tyrannical ruler just in case our descendants turn out to be.....less than ideal monarchs, with many a dynasty having been seriously damaged or even brought down by a bad apple. Also, we don't currently have an official consort to have a child with. Exactly how corporate the state should be is a matter for ideological debate, since we have no examples of corporate republics (which this sounds closest to, except the lines between republic and monarchy are blurred) to judge how well they work and a full everything-is-private society would be most peoples' idea of a dystopia.

>>4912830
>>4912822
>>4912813
This is the kind of things that Ulysses wants done, a legitimate state with a legitimate claim. Because right now, he thinks that the nation is you and you apart. If you would disappear for two months....

>>4912833
It should be a priority for us to work on after the current crisis is over and we can breathe again with the situation defused. Start building the trappings of a proper state and proving to the people that the NVS isn't just a name, but a real entity that is working to improve their lot and doing more for them than the NCR ever did in order to build legitimacy and lay the foundations for the future as an independent state. A potential wave of unity from the crisis and starting a police force to address the rising crime is a good a start as any for that. We've basically got a blank-slate society here, so some huge decisions are going to have to be made soon about the direction of our future and what sort of society we want to build.

>>4912833
Should we add an additional Council Seat to our council? I was thinking a Head of Mutant/Metahuman affairs. Someone in charge of seeing to the needs of the aforementioned. Maybe Marcus could be up for it.

>>4912767
Tunnelers require lots of fire related energy weapons and sweeping their tunnels. So a lot of close up brutal fighting. Will need oxygen tanks to not suffocate as the flames burn out all the air. There just isn't enough vehicles that have survived or the industry to build more for anything better. The most optimal weapons would bunker buster missiles and incendiary air burst bombs. Without it, we are stuck doing it the hard way.

Depends on if Caesar can remove his head from his ass. As is legion is a personality cult that will collapse once he's dead as the commanders turn warlords fight over it. NCR requires massive reforms on a grand scale and a hardcore corruption purge to survive. Best off to let them fight over the remains and take advantage to swoop in for goodies.

Legacy is the tricky part. Personally I really REALLY want to take one of the advance AIs out of Big MT and repurpose it for paperwork and bureaucracy. Wasteland justice is the best justice. Courts are best used for squabbles that don't make you wanna duel or kill them. So better resolving more petty problems. We already have proven we don't mind 'reforming' criminals instead of locking them up or executing them that involves life threatening situations but also offers training and glory should you survive or offering labor to make up for your crimes as well as learn how to make a living without resorting to crime. Which is a system I actually like. We even have bomb collars in case anyone gets any funny ideas.

Ultimately due to a lesser cult of personality and certain women dropping waterfalls our family will ultimately be VERY influential no matter what. So the main goal is to prevent bad apples from them to fuck things up. We can avoid a bureaucratic hellscape by relying upon advanced AIs to handle bookkeeping, paperwork, and so on. With human support to prevent bloating and provide/distribute data.

Democracy won't work due to wastelander stupidity which will require ages to fix and puppet politicians who don't need to know statecraft. The issue with the dynasty method is bad apple descendants. Another issue is internal turmoil from having humans, super mutants, ghouls, and eventually cyborgs intermingling with each other. So far we cheat by distance and lack of numbers. In the future that won't be the case. Anons lean heavily towards centralized authority and control. Which is problematic given the state of the wasteland and communities. We just aren't powerful enough to pull it off properly in the long term thanks to the frontier spirit and brutal wasteland everywhere without OP characters to glue it together. I mean it works in the short term but it's gonna be hell in the long term. There is a reason why BOS and Legion both resorted to cultish methodology. As the plebs need something to believe in you and gotta have something to glue them together. This is something we don't have besides caps. At the moment we are glorified warlord with a mercenary army.

>>4912891
>Personally I really REALLY want to take one of the advance AIs out of Big MT and repurpose it for paperwork and bureaucracy.
Bookchute is your man for the job. Alternatively we could try to make our own AI.

Wasteland Justice is only good in an actual wasteland environment, not so much in civilized lands.

>>4912688
Farkas: Courtesy of Vault-City, there are numerous MK lX Auto-Docs, as well as lesser Mk.lll Auto-Docs. There are also hundreds of skilled surgeons and thousands of doctors throughout the country. The healthcare in the NCR is actually surprisingly robust, it usually comes with a pricetag the poor can't afford.

>>4912891
Which I'll admit is very wastelandish. As at this moment, we own a city state and run a merc army. The only thing glueing people together is greed not creed. We make it profitable for them. Nothing more nothing less. This is something any wastelander can appreciate but makes other factions leery as it's blatant we will go for whatever is the most profitable and easy to use except their leery of the current leader. The issues cannot agree on what to transition into and frankly what is actually realistic in a goddamn wasteland full of things that wanna kill you and scarce in resources. Tech and plans are easy to acquire the machinery and resources to make it far less so. The war started due to scarcity after all. Now we don't even have the logistics and global routes to even move those scarce materials that are required.

So the real question is what will work when you're dealing with a frontier spirit, stupid wastelanders, and things wanting to kill you everywhere? In that regard high level militancy is a fact of life if you simply don't wanna die. Frontier spirit cannot be broken because your independence is how you survive in such hellish conditions with no one else to rely upon. Wastelanders meanwhile are ignorant and dumb due to living conditions. That isn't including other intelligent life like ghouls and super mutants or whatever else that exists out there. Civilizing can fix the frontier problem but make them into even bigger plebs than before who can no longer take care of themselves. While everyone has a weapon and knows how to use it otherwise you die out there.

Ergo we have to play nice with people's independence and need for strong martiality to survive. So what do we have to offer to band them together besides caps? That is what building industry and sharing knowledge are for. We have the think tanks from Big MT so if we really wanted to it we could easily create a top tier university. In which case we would finally need a creed to share to make it so it's not just caps or us keeping it together. The creed is something no anons can really seem to agree on or really consider very much which is the biggest problem since it doesn't have a clear solution to it.

>>4912908
Personally why I'm leaning towards two kinds of justice. The wasteland variety and communal justice. As I don't think it's time yet to introduce national justice for similar reasons that we limit taxes so much. Wasteland justice is going to be our bread and butter for a very long time. While communal justice is how we can prepare people and settlements for something more refined in preparation for a much later national version.

>>4910267
How does Cass feel about having the deeds to her company back?

>>4912921
Ulysses: There's wisdom in this. New Vegas is stuck between the two largest powers in the wasteland, that would grow a sense of independence in anyone.

An old pre-war nation, Poland, mastered this. A highly invigorated, militant population that could stand up to it's neighbors. This isn't compatible with an imperialistic nation, you're seeing the consequences in the NCR currently.

It sounds cliche, but New Vegas could be cowboy country.

>>4912927
Well I'll be molerat in a jungle gym, why not. Yeah lets be a cowboy country.

>>4912927
Exactly. New Vegas is the default independent Free spirit option but that requires giving concessions and taking a step back. In exchange people who don't want to get ass raped by NCR or Legion will flock to us. So long as we leave them the fuck alone so long as they don't do anything particularly fucked up. Otherwise, why not keep House around? He also wanted to centralize it.

cowboy country is honestly the default option and my preferred choice in the wastes but what about the more civilized and urban areas that are moving away from that? Like the city of New Vegas itself for example? It works great when your out on your in the wastes but far less so in such urban and populated areas. This is why I like the Think Tanks. We can abuse their knowledge to establish proper centers of education that will be renowned throughout the wastelands due to its overwhelming quality. As for what those who learn do with it? Why that is the genius of human ingenuity and independent spirit. I'm sure the students of that place will come up with some great solutions. I mean look at the kind of chems you can cook up from local plants alone. People just need the knowledge to give them an idea of what they can feasibly do and they will figure out how to make it happen. Industry is much harder but we can at least slowly piece something together if we can teach people how to do it. That is why education is a greater priority. So far we can already cook up explosives but we don't have the ability to make it standardized yet or work on anything else.

The cowboy country independence gimmick is how we draw the tribes and other independent communities we find out there in. Let them do their own thing but hey we will ALSO offer superior military training, help provide equipment, entertainment, and you can send your people here to get properly educated/connected with others who are doing the same thing. Right there why the fuck would anyone ever consider Legion or NCR when your offered something like that instead? When their here we also teach them about our creed and slowly work on transitioning them. Preparing them for later proper assimilation at which point they won't resist because they won't want to.

You want the Desert Rangers back for example? Give them back their autonomy and offer them support. Those who are sick of the paperwork, slow reactions, corruption, freedom, and mismanagement want to do their own thing again will flock back if they know they can trust a private army and independent city to supply them and give them a refuge between their missions. Otherwise why not stay with the NCR?

>>4912949
What I'm trying to say is imperialism or centralized authority just doesn't work when we have literally no creed to agree upon base it and when both nearby major factions are power hungry assholes. Cowboy country is the default option without a creed. It works but doesn't expect to be a big boss every time all the time without a Creed to excuse it once the courier is gone. I personally prefer it for more isolated and distant areas. In our more urban and central areas I personally would like some kind of creed of some kind to keep things together without always relying upon mercenaries and caps to force it together. Education and connections are a good temporary fix. As learning from each other, connecting with others, and trade is good. Don't underestimate the value of New Vegas entertainment venues for attracting powerful and rich people together for fun and potentially business. That is a priceless commodity if we use those connections properly.

If we wanna stick with the cowboy and mercenary currently stick currently for example. Then the basics of THEE CODE are one of privacy, impartiality, and professionalism for our clients/guests. We may be mercs yes but we will be the best most proffesional goddamn mercs you will find the wasteland. You can't bribe one of our robots and our men are of the utmost professionals. Currently our guys are already mercs that we can't really trust...so why not use it to our advantage? Finish forging them into a proper mercenary army for hire but teach them a proper merc/killer code to live and abide by or else. While our next military force we develop obviously won't be a bunch of greedy mercs and hopefully far more trustworthy.

>>4912921
>The only thing glueing people together is greed not creed. We make it profitable for them. Nothing more nothing less.
Exactly.

Which is why I like the idea of making the people in NV ‘shareholders’ in our company - not just citizens.

This:
- provides a shared financial stake in our success
- broadens the state beyond our cult of personality to a corporate structure
- provides a means by which ‘shareholders’ can receive free or heavily subsidised healthcare / education
- utilises the self-interest principal at the heart of capitalism and human nature

This avoids some of the dystopia elements anons were talking about before associated with a fully private society.

In terms of succession, the board of directors can act as a pseudo legislature - balancing out the executive power of the CEO

>>4912999
Make every 'citizen' a shareholder of the company that can be inherited by their own descendants and offers special privileges/discounts? Combine that with an advanced AI salvaged from Big MT for paperwork, bureaucracy, and administration. You have yourself a pretty decent post apoc megacorp. Who due to owning shares directly profit when the company does well and directly benefit from their own hard work.

Personally if we stick with the current merc army and privatized city state schtick I would go for it. Hell I would go for it if we switch to something else so we can avoid the dynasty problem. Turn our future family and cult of personality into a proper business to minimize potential long term problems. It would even fit in with the wild west cowboy country independent motif which is the default option for urban and population dense areas. The main problem would be how to control the greed so we don't turn into Fallout's Andrew Ryan from bioshock.

>>4912767
>Tunnelers

Anything we can.

>NCR/Legion collapse

Annex useful bits and near bits, support a protectorate and intergrate them into the state long term.

>Our legacy

Go full on Courier Restoration and turn our government into an Americanized version of Imperial Japan, where our dynasty is the head of state and the spiritual soul of the nation, while the constitutional government runs the day-to-day operations and deals with the material politics of running a nation.

>>4912999
>>The only thing glueing people together is greed not creed. We make it profitable for them. Nothing more nothing less.
>Exactly.
>>4913051
>The main problem would be how to control the greed so we don't turn into Fallout's Andrew Ryan from bioshock.
We already saw that this isn't going to happen because we can't control greed. House tried to do it with the 3 families who were just tribals and look what happened:
The Tops had Benny
Gomorrah: The plot to help Caesar invade the strip
Ultra-Luxe: Mortimer's plot to embrace cannibalism AGAIN
Now imagine what would happen now that we have to deal with the NCR, the Legion, probably the Enclave,the BoS and other minor groups and now instead of just 1 city we have to deal with an almost an entire state
OH WAIT WE ALREADY SAW FIRST HAND THE SOUL OF IT
And besides what garante us we are not going to be the ones that are at the receiving end of golf club when we are old/ can't defend ourselves

What im trying to say here is that greed should NOT be the base of our national spirit because it generates the problems of having to deal with greed mainly betrayal, If economic prosperity is a goal / pillar out of many different ideas / goals / pillars, that's fine, but making it the main / sole pillar of the base of our national identity will only poisons our nation in the long run.

>>4912891
>want to institutionalize Skynet Big Brother

I don't think that will lead us to where we want to be after we're dead mate, but AI will make bookkeeping and paperwork significantly less bloated and more streamlined.

Have a 'Service Grantees Citizenship' model of a Heinlein republic, where only citizens who work to maintain this system have a say in it. It should keep things efficient and effective, especially if we make it intentionally hard to become a citizen, making civic duty a lot more meaningful. We can even style a federalized system under it, where each regions have control of their own affairs to a certain extent.

The glue will be our spiritual dynasty, have it become a symbol for this new nation after we're dead, though with later spiritual heads of state practicing a cutlure of restraint when it comes to meddling to day-to-day operations of the state.

>>4912999
>>4913051
Make each citizen a shareholder will not make them care or force them to maintain such a system, at best it'll eventually develop into a welfare state where shareholders demand more profits. It's not a smart idea.

>>4912833
>legitimate state with a legitimate claim
Which is why we need to start working on that Cultural Victory. Stories of not only the Courier and Companions but ordinary people on the farms, in the mines and at the casinos.

>>4912872
>Should we add an additional Council Seat to our council? I was thinking a Head of Mutant/Metahuman affairs. Someone in charge of seeing to the needs of the aforementioned. Maybe Marcus could be up for it.
What seems reasonable to me is we should get some system of public complaint / official plea / public response and request system underway so everyone can have say in government and the issues of their lives.

>>4912891
>I really REALLY want to take one of the advance AIs out of Big MT and repurpose it for paperwork and bureaucracy.
Robo-brain(s) in control of conventional computers for raw power will suffice with enough conditioning if we leave decision making to humans.

>Wasteland justice is the best justice. Courts are best used for squabbles that don't make you wanna duel or kill them. So better resolving more petty problems. We already have proven we don't mind 'reforming' criminals instead of locking them up or executing them that involves life threatening situations but also offers training and glory should you survive or offering labor to make up for your crimes as well as learn how to make a living without resorting to crime. Which is a system I actually like. We even have bomb collars in case anyone gets any funny ideas.
Personally I advocate a system of locally elected law enforcement backed by regional and national enforcement authorities intended to track and capture runaways as well as dealing with more serious and organised crime.

>Another issue is internal turmoil from having humans, super mutants, ghouls, and eventually cyborgs intermingling with each other.
Not as much of an issue as you think so long as we're creating jobs and improving quality of life or can point to external issues.

>Anons lean heavily towards centralized authority and control. Which is problematic given the state of the wasteland and communities. We just aren't powerful enough to pull it off properly in the long term thanks to the frontier spirit and brutal wasteland everywhere without OP characters to glue it together.
I think you severely underestimate our power if properly martialled.

>I mean it works in the short term but it's gonna be hell in the long term. There is a reason why BOS and Legion both resorted to cultish methodology. As the plebs need something to believe in you and gotta have something to glue them together. This is something we don't have besides caps. At the moment we are glorified warlord with a mercenary army.
The BOS were always like this and the Legion do it because they're literally led by a insane megalomaniac.

>>4912908
>Bookchute is your man for the job. Alternatively we could try to make our own AI.
Making our own would be best if we decide to do this given it's less risky.

>>4912921
>Ergo we have to play nice with people's independence and need for strong martiality to survive. So what do we have to offer to band them together besides caps? That is what building industry and sharing knowledge are for. We have the think tanks from Big MT so if we really wanted to it we could easily create a top tier university. In which case we would finally need a creed to share to make it so it's not just caps or us keeping it together. The creed is something no anons can really seem to agree on or really consider very much which is the biggest problem since it doesn't have a clear solution to it.
Tovarisch I've been pushing for cultural activity prior to now because it generates profit from Tourism and helps to resolve our lack of a centralising cultural concept.

>>4912949
>The cowboy country independence gimmick is how we draw the tribes and other independent communities we find out there in. Let them do their own thing but hey we will ALSO offer superior military training, help provide equipment, entertainment, and you can send your people here to get properly educated/connected with others who are doing the same thing. Right there why the fuck would anyone ever consider Legion or NCR when your offered something like that instead? When their here we also teach them about our creed and slowly work on transitioning them. Preparing them for later proper assimilation at which point they won't resist because they won't want to.
Agreed.

>You want the Desert Rangers back for example? Give them back their autonomy and offer them support. Otherwise why not stay with the NCR?
DRs will return or not based solely on if they believe in their pledge over the NCRs comforts and depending on Hanlon's election. Autonomy might make more of them return but it depends on what you mean by autonomy - do you mean them being independent in our territory but still recognised as law enforcement? Perhaps that'd work but it severely weakens our position and leaves us at risk of them doing shit we don't appreciate.

>>4912999
Shareholders is a complicated system and probably wouldn't work and would seriously hamper our finances. We've more of a population than we have a cash surplus so even if only 1/5 of them get 5 caps per month we'd still be going broke. Don't get me wrong it could work but even assuming we could pay the caps, the admin could be hell.

>>4912872
we should add the pillars of the communities that can help us hear what the people need

>>4913092
The main problems stopping the implementation of a state as we know it funded by taxation through a central government authority are 1: there is no such thing as a formal economy and 2: nobody is used to it. You cannot properly tax, regulate and guide an economy where nobody keeps records or knows who does what and has no consistency, and the economy has been operating entirely under the table and freewheeling for generations, so introducing things like regulations, taxes and economic policy will be extremely difficult and a massive shock to the system. It should nonetheless be done in the name of necessary progress, but we need to tread carefully and introduce it gradually over the course of years or maybe even decades and we may need to compromise on what we do to avoid making a complete pig's ear of it and pissing everyone off.

>>4913132
We should focus more on cultural aspects before we start imposing regulations and even more taxes.

Let's not forget about fashion. We're gonna be rolling out the brahmin leather boots and ten gallon hats once we get the leather harvesting business off the ground.

>>4912891
>>4912921
The only thing gluing our people together is the Courier, not greed. Greed wouldn't break the Boomers out of their isolation, or give the BOS a fair shake. Who's the one who fed and healed Freeside when they needed it? Brought tourism back into the Strip and Primm? Let Westside be? Cleared the route to Jacobstown? Created demand for Sloan's concrete? Made Novac into a boon town? Hell, we know Goodsprings is losing caps because of our fuckery, and they're still our most zealous supports. It ain't greed holding this nation together, it us.

What we need to do is tap into that cult of personality, develop it, and use it to create a functioning nation that will have more than just us holding it together. Frontier or cowboy spirit may the default easy option, but it ain't going to get us to where we want to be in 5 years, let alone 10. We need to develop a culture that highly intense about being productive, resourceful, innovative, martial, self-sufficient, and patriotic, at it's core foundation.

The solution is clear. We're going to have to be a symbol this nation rallies behind and molds itself into, otherwise in ten years we're going to be just another puppet to one of the great powers in this region.

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>>4913153
>focus more on cultural aspects

Right now, there are only three common cultural elements in our nation.

1. A common desire to live a life of independence (as if they wanted an easier life, they would’ve moved to the NCR)
2. A common desire of self-interest (either money from our casinos, available farming land or business ventures which aren’t legal elsewhere)
3. Respect / fear / awe of the Courier as a leader and fighter

Our best way to create a united cultural identity would be a propaganda campaign which focused on the external threats to New Vegas’s freedom and independence & the importance of a united front.

The ‘frontiersman spirit’ which an anon talked about earlier encapsulates this well

>>4913223
nobody fucks with the mail man gets away with it

>>4913223
>We need to develop a culture that highly intense about being productive, resourceful, innovative, martial, self-sufficient, and patriotic, at it's core foundation.
>The solution is clear. We're going to have to be a symbol this nation rallies behind and molds itself into, otherwise in ten years we're going to be just another puppet to one of the great powers in this region.
>excited yee-haw noises
Now all we need to do is find and breed some horses.

>>4913279
What do we do when Vegas Expands its territory? Will the frontier spirit remain in the center of Vegas if it gets too big?

>>4912927
Could we give our giant legion dogs geckoback tier dog armor?

>>4913279
I can admire rugged individualism like any other man, but we'll need to change common self-interest into something more patriotic if we want to get this nation to preform well in the coming years, and we'll need to dial said patriotism up to eleven if we want to survive, let alone thrive against the powers that be. I respect the rights of the individual and their property and prosperity, but that doesn't hold a nation together, especially if the people's self-interest conflicts with the state when foreign interests come to town.

Like it or hate it, it's going to take more than frontier spirit to survive, let alone rapidly industrialize and grow our population, resources, and military might within the decade.

>>4913295
>What do we do when Vegas Expands its territory? Will the frontier spirit remain in the center of Vegas if it gets too big?

Frontier spirit only flourishes when one civilization is expanding in the absence of another to properly combat it. We're stuck between two more powerful civilizations. We need to be more prosperous and focused than the Bear, and more driven and fanatic than the Bull, if we have any chance at avoiding getting swallowed up by either powers. Frontier spirit just won't sustain us in the long term.

>>4913324
https://youtu.be/921z4LAHvak
Patriotism? My it sounds like we should bring our Enclave friends into the fold. Those guys really know how to throw a patriots party.

Okay here's what the turns look like

Courier
>Go on a PR tour around the region, recruiting more soldiers?
>Meet with Marcus to get his help

Military
>Meet with Kreger (Done)
>Begin mass mobilization, asking for a citizens militia to fight a ghoul horde bearing down on New Vegas
>>4910323 for troop movement

Industry
>Continue fortification with minimal work on population centers (price for supplies and payroll will be 15,000 caps)

Scavenge
>Send Veronica (power armor) to vault 34 for weapons and ammo, due to radiation, Rex and Roxie cannot assist, nor can other scavengers unless Rad suits and rad-x are purchased.

Repair
>Send Raul and his repairmen to assist Henry in the pheromone dispersal machine to put on the vertibird

Tourism
>Meet and greet NCR citizens that come into the region and the Strip, giving them that Courier charm

Other
>Ask Pearl to move howitzers to positions along the river

>>4913594
Yea, this seems good.

>>4913594
This looks great and we should purchase the radsuits and rad-x

>>4913594
Dont forget about Ulysses.
Can we buy glass, wood for the other scavenging action, in addition to additional rad-suits and Rad-X?
Didnt we already Buy Rad Suit in a previous turn? Are you trying to cheat us?
>>4913633
>>4913639
We not going to do the PR fix at Black Mountain?
What about Goodsprings?

>>4913677
I don't remember you guys buying rad suits because the Brotherhood was the ones that went to camp searchlight and took the nuclear waste from cottonwood. As for the wood and glass, I suppose you guys could include that. I don't see how that would constitute an action

>>4913819
>>4872021 here
If we don't need an action to pay for glass and wood for Cottonwood Cove, then why not lets buy it.
How much Rad-X do we need to buy?

Do we have enough Scavangers to auto succeed Vault 34?

>>4913821
To outfit 100 scavs with advanced radiation suits, Geiger counters and the necessary medicine.....25,000. That gives a permanent upgrade to 100 scavengers to allow them to scout most irradiated locations.

And no, it'll just be a very low DT.

>>4913823
Would the advanced radiation suits, Geiger counters and the necessary medicine make scavenging in general easier for our scavengers (lower DT)?

Can we split Veronica, our cyberdogs, and 160 scavengers between Vault 11 and Vault 34 if the threshold is going to be so low?

>>4913594

Courier
>1d100 (No DT, higher the better)
>1d100 (DT 45) Marcus

1d100 (DT40) Mobilization

1d100 (DT25) Scavenge

1d100 (DT35) Repair

1d100 (DT15) Tourism

1d100 (DT55) Pearl

Ulysses is heading to the Boomers

Rolled 34 (1d100)

>>4913925

Rolled 48 + 8 (1d100 + 8)

>>4913925
Marcus

>>4913925
>>4913982
Can we send a pair of Securitrons with Veronica in case we get a repeat of what happened to Cass?

>>4914009
Veronica has a bunch of scavengers with her and they know basic self defense. The small group of ghouls left by the courier shouldn't be an issue

Rolled 87 (1d100)

>>4913925

>>4913823
Gib suits

>>4914028
What did we do with Old Lady Gibson and our two breeding legion dogs? Is she training them, or overall babying them?
Can she an any other wastelands we hire breed and train the dogs? Would that require an action? Could a Military action be used?

>>4914064
Old Lady Gibson is overseeing the Novac Scrap Facility. As for the dogs, they were given to a wastelander who breeds dogs. Because no specific focus or aim has been applied, he's just breeded them the way he breeds the rest of the wasteland mongrels

Rolled 8 (1d100)

>>4913925

>>4914070
Does that wastelander need any tools or facilities to breed more dogs and to endure their quality remains the same or better? How many puppies do we have so far?

>>4914228
Puppies, probably ,12 or so. They're only really going to be a step up from a wasteland dog unless you construct a special facility, create training regiments and all that stuff. You don't have access to legion dog trainers so you'll need to invest more resources into a proper breeding program

Rolled 47 (1d100)

>>4913925

>>4914237
How much?

>>4914237
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Sink_Central_Intelligence_Unit
>The Sink Central Intelligence Unit is one of the five non-player characters who can repair to 100. The others include Raul Tejada, Paladin Sato, Major Knight and Joshua Graham. Additionally, The Sink Central Intelligence Unit offers the highest caps reserve for its vendor services, second only to Sergeant Daniel Contreras, which makes the SCIU one of the most versatile non-player characters in the game.
If we bring him back, could we use him as a merchant, and repairman?

>>4913633
You mentioned something about a book keeping A.I. what about the Central Sink Intelligence Unit?

Rolled 83 (1d100)

>>4913925

>>4913677
Honestly, I think focusing on the horde may be more prudent here. Plus, I think the tourism will be sufficient PR for now. We'll focus a tourism and industrial action on Goodsprings after we deal with the horde, and a Courier action after if that isn't enough to fix their situation.

>>4913925
Should I roll or let one of the lurkers to it Survivalist?

>>4914529
Roll and finish us out buddy

Rolled 75 (1d100)

>>4913925
>>4914533
Yes sir!

>>4914533
I thank you for the privilege of serving again sir.

>>4914529
Sure sure, but we can still kill two birds with one stone by getting those glasses and wood imported.

>>4914566
I'm sure that doesn't require an action, but I do agree that we should import it now.

>>4913925
Does giving Cass a Valence radii-accentuator cost an action? I do want to make sure that we don't forget about her in all the chaos and being busy like we did last time.

>>4914463
Not out of the realm of possibility to use the SCIU to set up a sort of central bazaar of what have you. It would work with either robot or human vendors

>>4914589
In theory, how would him working as part repairman and vendor work? Would he be able to charge a premium for perfect condition goods?

>>4914613
>Would he be able to charge a premium for perfect condition goods?

Why wouldn't he? He'd charge a premium just to repair anyway right?

>>4913925
Courier
>1d100 (No DT, higher the better) 42
>1d100 (DT 45) Marcus 56
1d100 (DT40) Mobilization 87
1d100 (DT25) Scavenge 16
1d100 (DT35) Repair 52
1d100 (DT15) Tourism 83 (91 if we're personally giving them the Courier charm)
1d100 (DT55) Pearl 79
We missed the Scavenging operation, but everything else was largely successful. Nice going.

>>4914589
https://fallout-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Sink_Central_Intelligence_Unit
>Caps: 14000-16000
>Sells: Ammunition
>Add-on: Weapon mods, Energy weapons, Stimpaks
>Repair cap: 100
>restockins inventory and caps every four days
>Non-player characters who repair charge caps equal to 2 * the % damage repaired * the value of the item repaired. This cost is not affected by Barter skill or discounts from reputation.
Where the fuck is he getting all the weapons and stimpaks from? Does he have some kind of advanced recycler converter? Materials go in, other things go out? I'm not mad I just want to know how we can profit off this.

>>4914678
>Tourism 83
>good old Lucky 38

God damn!

>I'm not mad I just want to know how we can profit off this.

Any profit will be small potatoes, and I'd rather not game the CSAU in that way. At best, Mobius has the schematics for the Sink's AI personality units.

That reminds me, we should get into contact with Mobius and have him rebuilt his robo-scorpion army. We may not be able to use it, considering we don't know where the damn Big MT is, but it'll at least act as a self-defense force for the Sink and it's facilities.

>>4914691
Especially the Giant Robo Scorpion. Get a load of this beefy boy. that sounded less gay in my head
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Robo-scorpion#Robo-scorpion_bomber_Mk6
Look at this nice find.
>The legs of a giant robo-scorpion, much larger than the X-42, can be seen poking out of the ground next to the Waste disintegration platform. Later, the player character learns through terminals and Mobius' declarations that once a bigger version of the X-42 giant robo-scorpion became frenzied and left the Forbidden Zone and started consuming a lot of energy, so Mobius had to disable and dispose of it.
Something to check out once we have a more well armed and trained army.

>At best, Mobius has the schematics for the Sink's AI personality units.
Do you mean the A.I. itself, or it's housing? I think we're able to duplicate or transfer the A.I., but recreating it's housing a whole 'nother barrel of monkeys.

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>>4914707
fuck

>>4914707
>One terminal, in particular, located on the highest catwalks in the room, indicates that it can be used to shut down the giant robo-scorpion remotely, but actually resets the giant robo-scorpion to no longer be hostile.

Yooooo!

>Do you mean the A.I. itself, or it's housing? I think we're able to duplicate or transfer the A.I., but recreating it's housing a whole 'nother barrel of monkeys.

Both. I agree though, recreating their housing is going to be a bitch, but well worthwhile when we get the ability to manufacture it. I doubt we'll ever be able to mass produce them, but having a spare housing available should be well within our reach.

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>>4914713
>One terminal, in particular, located on the highest catwalks in the room, indicates that it can be used to shut down the giant robo-scorpion remotely, but actually resets the giant robo-scorpion to no longer be hostile.
>Yooooo!
YOOOOOOOOO WE CAN OWN A GIANT SCORPION NOW YOOOOOOOO! Power will never be an issue if we feed it Alien Power Cells!
If the Central A.I.'s housing is as good as I want to believe it can be, we might be able to earn maybe earn five digits a week, or six a month. That's at it's very best assuming he gets a lot of sales traffic. Repair work for bare minimum caps income, selling meds for New Vegas citizens, trading energy weapons to the BoS in exchange for favors and tutoring opportunities. We could even outfit our whole army with Energy weapons, eventually. Please let me dream before Survivalist nerfs my idea into a smoldering crater.

>>4914717
I think it's a brilliant idea anon. It'll be great when we can built another one 10 years down the line!

But I do like the idea of it assigning favors and missions to those willing to take them. It'll make organizing and bookkeeping a lot simpler, and it would delegate less important/critical missions/objectives to freelancers. Maybe we should strive for that central bazaar/mission control a lot sooner, within the next two years or so after we solidified our rule a bit.

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>>4914722
Disassembling the A.I's housing in the sink is supposed to be hard task, even with us. With Ulysses help the DT should be reduced slightly, in addition to avoiding crit failures all together when working for the Courier. We might be able to get him within this year is we play smartly.

>>4914725
We really need that second fucking transponder don't we?

Frankly I dislike the idea of using Robo-Scorpions - mostly because they're a seemingly inefficient design (you've a nice long motor-drive tail that with some reinforcement could be a amazing weapon in melee - yet give them snapping claws?) even if they're nice to look at.

What would be nice is getting production of Duraframe Eyebots up-and-running so we can have an army of Ed-Es. Police, Medical, Construction, Fire-Fighting; the little floaty bois will do it all. Heck if we can improve on them then they'll become truly terrifying (already Ed-E level eyebots are basically a match for a lot of threats - given even moderate increases in armour (or self-repair systems like the Securitrons!) or a greater fire rate and they become mortifying)

>>4914733
You know what the US military says? Two weapons are better than one (and three is a bargain!). Plus, the tail is meant to be a long range weapon, so you do need a dedicated melee weapon. Plus, those claws look strong enough to have some tear and pulling utility as a tool as well as a weapon. Paint some camouflage on the shiny armor and you got a fighter that's good on rough terrain and potential combatants will regard it as wildlife from far away, allowing for some sneaking utility.

I do agree, we should get some Eyebot production going as soon as we reasonably can. We can certainly get a lot of utility out of them!

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>>4914533
Treasury- Cass: What happened to the towns of Gecko and Broken Hills in the NCR? How's mutant relations last you were in the NCR?
Defense- Kreger: Does you think recruiting Manny will make the 1st recon training go better? What's his opinion on armored giant wasteland breed dogs?
State- Francine Garret: what should we do with the Silver Rush Casino?
Agriculture- Joseph Linden: what do you need to improve agriculture further. Farming makes me mad every time we throw money at this problem. Please Linden who do we need to hire, what do we need to buy.
Industry- Chomp Lewis: How does he feel about his daughter heading north with the rest of the great khans?
Health & Human Development-Julie Farkas: Does she know how to get into contact with other Followers of the Apocolypse? Any idea if any somehow manage to travel through or beyond Ceasar's territories?
Science & Technology- Doctor Henry: If we theoretically had a scientific facility capable of technological wonders that could and would outpace the brotherhood, do you think that advanced enough for you to be able to work with some of it's facilities. In theory of course.
Tourism- Cachino: what should we do with the Silver Rush Casino?

>>4913098
Found your first Desert Ranger
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Jules_(Fallout:_New_Vegas)
>survivalist
>gunslinger
>wasteland warrior
>He once roamed the deserts of the wasteland before deciding to find a place to settle down
>has 10 for Charisma
>knows how to make a .44 SWC hand load ammunition
After we're done with the horde, he might be worth recruiting into Camp McCarran to train people in the ways of the YEE-HAW!

>>4914744
A lot of utility would be a vast understatement. Considering the fact Eyebots fly they automantically count as being able to kill half the things in the wasteland. Get twenty of these things and they could do just about anything combat wise. That Vertibird? Dead. The squad of power armored troopers? More gapping holes than a whore in a fraternity party. That reinforced two story building? A crumbling pile of rubble.

>>4914586
>Does giving Cass a Valence radii-accentuator cost an action?
No and if it pleases the players, I'll have her equipped with one this turn. Though setting up a system for these to be used by the public will cost a turn

>>4914613
>part repairman
Probably going to disable this aspect of the SCIU because it doesn't really make sense. The reasoning behind his vast stores of goods and caps is the same as the commissary in the divide. A huge stockpile of goods and caps but that's it, unless it is restocked by you.

>>4914717
The Scorpions aren't going to be an issue as long as you can get them to the Mojave, but having them as a defense force for Big Mt might not be a bad idea....

>>4914747
Cass: Gecko has been progressively improved with the increased settling of skilled ghouls to fix the nuclear power plant there, supplying the region with increased electricity. To that end, ghouls are steadily being accepted within most locations in the NCR especially after their service in the Rangers, but super mutants are becoming almost state-targeted. Broken Hills is the exception to this, as the NCR government found prudent to treat the super mutants here with respect and care due to the strategic importance of the town.

Kreger: Well, adding another First Recon guy would make things go a little faster, but Moreno barely tolerates Boone, so I don't know how it would go with another NCR man there. As for a good stock of dogs, it makes units more flexible, much better in urban areas and increases morale to an extent. Though I don't think Moreno has experience with mongrels in his units.

Garret: Condemn it. Between the damage done by the fighting and its lack of any legitimate attractions, it would probably be best to be left alone as a testament to the Van Graff family, who has a personal vendetta against you, I assume.

Linden: Farming takes time, but tools and supplies. The greenhouses we have are made of scrap, the pipes for irrigation are old and leaky and most of the tools we have are rusted or ineffective. There is a shortage of beasts of burden as well, most of the Brahmin being used for ranching or transportation. Not enough to help around the farms. If you wanted to go the extra mile, the NCR used computer projections to increase yields, that could be a possibility.

Lewis: My daughter made her choice, there's only so much I could do for her. I just hope the Khans get their heads out of their asses and can find their roots.

Farkas: I have a few contacts back in the NCR, though our ranks here have steadily swelled since you declaring independence. So far, most really like what you're doing. Anyone still in the NCR has their own reasons or aren't completely convinced by you. I don't know of any beyond Caesar's territory.

Henry: That's a very odd way to phrase that, but yet. The Enclave had very advanced facilities so I would be familiar up to an extent. What I really need is a proper facility and underlings to do all of the leg work.

>>4914747
>Found your first Desert Ranger
Perfect. I'd also like to extend the DRs north and beyond our own population (kinda like some sort of interpol / Foreign Legion thing) to the tribes to our north. Goal being to create a unifying narrative about "Law, Justice, Peace, Prosperity and Cooperation" in the minds of northerners in relation to us. Also lets us provision individuals who will be ideologically minded to be similar to us that they'll trust as natives of their community potentially into leadership / respected positions - since they'll receive training, equipment and augments that'd make them near-superhuman.

The goal being that over time - if done correctly - they'd bring the culture and beliefs of their tribes into alignment with our own without us directly infringing on their soverignty.

>>4915134
>Probably going to disable this aspect of the SCIU because it doesn't really make sense. The reasoning behind his vast stores of goods and caps is the same as the commissary in the divide. A huge stockpile of goods and caps but that's it, unless it is restocked by you.
Fair enough but by that same explanation both of those locations must physically exist - meaning if we can find the SCIU or Commissary's stores we're rich as fuck.

>Cass: Gecko has been progressively improved with the increased settling of skilled ghouls to fix the nuclear power plant there, supplying the region with increased electricity. To that end, ghouls are steadily being accepted within most locations in the NCR especially after their service in the Rangers, but super mutants are becoming almost state-targeted. Broken Hills is the exception to this, as the NCR government found prudent to treat the super mutants here with respect and care due to the strategic importance of the town.
Interesting; we ought to be able to secure plenty of ghouls if our plastic surgery / regeneration ideas work out; if nothing else there's probably a load Caesar has enslaved we can buy for radiation-work. Same for Supers potentially.

>As for a good stock of dogs, it makes units more flexible, much better in urban areas and increases morale to an extent.
Yep: also helps counter stealth boys.

>Garret: Condemn it.
Great news everyone: we can repurpose all the material from the demolition for new concrete! Plus there's light bulbs, electrical wiring, insulation...

>>4915175
>Linden: Farming takes time, but tools and supplies. The greenhouses we have are made of scrap, the pipes for irrigation are old and leaky and most of the tools we have are rusted or ineffective. There is a shortage of beasts of burden as well, most of the Brahmin being used for ranching or transportation. Not enough to help around the farms. If you wanted to go the extra mile, the NCR used computer projections to increase yields, that could be a possibility.
Calculation can be done using the REPCONN computers - Brahmin we can easily buy more of given our monthly earnings are still very much in the green and their utility - tools and pipes we can improve with the purchase and upgrading of the scrapsmith as that'll secure high quality metalwork and most of those issues can be fixed with that over time. Greenhouses might be a bit more difficult but we can probably make progress on them fairly soon.

>Farkas: I have a few contacts back in the NCR, though our ranks here have steadily swelled since you declaring independence. So far, most really like what you're doing. Anyone still in the NCR has their own reasons or aren't completely convinced by you. I don't know of any beyond Caesar's territory.
Ranks have swelled? Why and by how much? Any noteworthy skills?

>Henry: That's a very odd way to phrase that, but yet. The Enclave had very advanced facilities so I would be familiar up to an extent. What I really need is a proper facility and underlings to do all of the leg work.
If we can find the location of Big Mt within a mile or so - we could just take a vertibird over there potentially with Doctor Henry and co. In terms of giving him underlings - maybe we can find a way to make use of the lobotomites to that end?

>>4915177
>maybe we can find a way to make use of the lobotomites to that end?
id be happy to help :D

>>4915134
>Cass
Yay! Give her the Atomic-valence tri-radii-oscillator. That thing has has 33% more DT than the valence radii-accentuator and restores 24 hit points every in-game hour.

>Broken Hills
>strategic importance
>Then the uranium ran out. The city, having lost its sole reason for existing, slowly dispersed. The residents carried their riches with them, leaving the place a wind-swept, desolate ghost town. A few holdouts remained, but eventually, they too disappeared.
Wut now?

>and most of the tools we have are rusted or ineffective.
I thought most of the tools we purchased were decent. Eh, guess we'll need to hurry up and buy the scrap facility. And more tools. Do we need an action to buy more brahmin, and how many more does he need?

What happened to Ignacio Rivas at Helios One? The one that didn't like Fantastic? Is he still alive? I'll be mad if the Brotherhood did anything to him.
Did April Martimer find any interesting discoveries with the Posideon Energy data? Do we still have the hard copies on Ed-E?
Did Veronica stay or leave for the I Could Make You Care guest? Her decision might determine if Doctor Alvarez gets murked by the rogue Paladins or not.

>who sought assistance in stealing Henry's blueprints for building cybernetic canine guard units.[9] As payment for assisting him with serum field work, Henry gives the Chosen One a cyberdog known as a Cyber-Hound Mk. II
Wow. WOW. Hes really invested in cyber dogs. Does he still have the designs? I think he might take an interest in the X-8 research center. How goes his development of a mutagenic serum to cure Super Mutants? What happen to the Doctor's assistant Calamity?
Do we've seen Nightstalkers with a group of lobotomies back in Big MT. Would Henry be able to make cybernetically augmented Night Stalkers?
Dr. Dala once said she'd seen Lobotomites fuck. Do we see any indication od lobotimite born babies in the Big MT?

>>4915175
Follower Chalk could be a potential Desert Ranger, but I'm not 100% sure if he'd like it. He was more interested in exploring civilization. Now, imagine if we convinced Joshua to becoming a Desert Ranger. The irony would be palpable, and it helps that hes a pretty good translator. On a more serious note I think we should try recruiting him to train some of our mercenaries into proper soldiers. He may be the Warleader of the Dead Horses, but he isnt their tribal leader.

>plastic surgery / regeneration ideas
I totally forgot about that. From what I can tell Vault City is still pretty racist against mutants, so I doubt they would be able to enter the city to pay for cosmetic surgery.

>>4915177
>>4915247
>>4915177
First we'd need to get the Securitrons facility up for the extra defense on top of the robo-scorpion army, and running so we can make them clear
all the rubble, maybe round up all the lobotomies, but theres not much hope for them unless we can get them new brains.
>Lobotomites are only capable of simple tasks such as using doors, walking, and fighting hand-to-hand or with firearms. They seem to have a proclivity for collecting random objects, as evidenced by their base, the Cuckoo's Nest. They are actively hostile. Although they wear almost no armor, the modifications made to their bodies make them significantly tougher and more resistant to damage than the average human. Unable to talk normally, they mainly grunt but some can at times be heard saying "die," "stop you," and "never."
Perhaps we could put a ghouls brain inside of a lobotomite so they can do some actual work.

>If we can find the location of Big Mt within a mile or so
Big MT is signifally further than just a mile or so, but their drones are close enough to the Mojave to steal away our residence. If we asked around the Big MT and did some research, we could eventually figure it out, but I'm more inclined to securing it's defenses first.

>>4915329
That paragraph in the 'pedia about the uranium running out doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the information in the article and isn't sourced. Can anyone verify that it's actually true?

>>4915134
>No and if it pleases the players, I'll have her equipped with one this turn.

Thank you, I do appreciate it.

>>4915329
>Now, imagine if we convinced Joshua to becoming a Desert Ranger.

That would be amusing as all hell if we managed to pull that off.

Maybe we can even convert the White Legs to our cause, what with their might makes right mentality, their leader being beaten by us, them actually looking forward to Legion assimilation (because they certainly can't sustain themselves), and their respect for Ulysses should be enough to sway them to our side if we want.

>>4915534
I'm 100% for it. We'll need some preparations first:
>vastly improve our caravan routes and food supply to feed the White Legs
>meeting action to tell them to join us, and to cut the raising shit out before we finished what we started
>use our clout from beating the NCR and Legion to get then to join
>get these savages educated in anything beyond raiding
>motherfuckers quit salting the earth wtf

I had a showerthought, in the actual shower no less. Thinking about the plans anons have been swirling around for the future for what essentially amounts to the Mojave Empire, they seem to have a lot of familiar concepts from Caesar's grand plan for the future of the Legion. Hereditary, despotic leadership? Check. Cult of personality? Check. Militaristic state with the military for protection of its citizens? Check. Merging the best of both worlds? Check. Obviously it's not quite the same and there are some significant differences or stances we have yet to take, but maybe the crazy old coot was on to something after all. It's be hilarious if we end up managing to out-Caesar Caesar in the future.

>>4915755
Given that democracy will lead to the absorption by one of the great powers down the road, let alone a bloated bureaucracy under a nation wasn't created by the people (though the people did join up with us after with great fanfair), we wouldn't be able to get anything done in the short term, and we need to get everything done as soon as possible if we want to remain independent in future.

>>4913096
You know I forgot we could totally pull a Japan with their imperial family. Would hopefully keep our descendants from fucking shit up buying being separate from official state power. Hopefully they can maintain the spiritual pillar aspect after we're dead.

>>4915755
Democracy gets us fucked by NCR and advanced democracy requires intelligent constituents who are proven worthy/know their shit for voting. In truth is closer to a technocracy. None are applicable choices when dealing with wastelanders. Caesar though really isn't hard to outdo. All you have to do is not be a technophobe and you have him beat. Admittedly he had the excuse of retarded tribals but still.

>>4913098
Autonomy is the only thing we can offer to lure the desert rangers from the NCR. Otherwise why not stay and enjoy the luxuries of the NCR if you don't mind how restrictive it is?

>>4915755
Eh, I actually want something fairly different since I actually believe in democracy unlike a lot of Anons seemingly. Doesn't mean I want to start votes right now but once we've positions like mayors, sheriffs and so on - I want at least some public accountability and control.

>>4915813
>Autonomy is the only thing we can offer to lure the desert rangers from the NCR. Otherwise why not stay and enjoy the luxuries of the NCR if you don't mind how restrictive it is?
If they are the sorts willing to remain in the NCR because the job is cushy they aren't the sort we want. Fact is working for us will be more dangerous, less profitable, less certain and possibly worst of all less likely to have a generous pension or a shot at a senate seat so even if we declared them a independent state within our nation with funding and no strings - I've my doubts many if any would come for it.

We are looking for the morally convicted and oath-bound men and woman that fought against the Legion before joining the NCR by treaty - to save Nevada and protect those from even further east that otherwise they'd be unable to help. The NCR can keep its rangers - we will have our Rangers. Even if all we get is half-dead veterans, they provide legitimacy and will be decent enough for training / passing on the torch which is what matters. We could found a half-dozen other institutions by other names but we are reestablishing the Desert Rangers of Nevada. Not the Police of New Vegas or the Manhunters or anything else - the Desert Rangers.

>>4915858
I'd be with you on that front. Leaders with no popular accountability whatsoever are undesirable and dangerous and a democracy is the least worst form of government, but right now the Mojave is far from ready for it (low levels of development, uneducated populace, disconnected settlements, lack of national identity, poor dissemination of news and no political opposition. All of these will change in time - a long time)and we risk falling into the same traps the NCR did. Aradesh and Tandi definitely had the popular mandate to be boss, but the NCR became rudderless after the latter's death left them without a strong and popular central leader and suggests that even the NCR did not have an adequate system in place or was just not societally ready to handle it. The road to a functioning democracy is going to be a very long one, and it's unlikely to be properly workable until long after our death which means authoritarianism is simply our best bet in the meantime. Elected officials is fine, but ultimate authority must still reside with us or our successor/s for the foreseeable future.

>>4915858
I believe in a constitutional republic, and especially in accountability. I just don't believe it will save us from assimilation in the coming decades by becoming NCR-lite. With the amount of foreigners that we'll be importing, democracy will just make New Vegas into the same bureaucratic hellhole as the NCR, but with none of the benefits being a large, industrious nation, and direct democracy will just make us Athens on steroids (not a good thing if you know what fuckery and bullshit they got up to with it). A Heinleinic Republic would be our best shot really at an attempt of democracy that won't fall into the same NCR pitfalls and will be distinctly different, which is good for cultural independence. We're still going have to model it like Imperial Japan if we want to remain in charge of the damn government.

>We are looking for the morally convicted and oath-bound men and woman that fought against the Legion before joining the NCR by treaty - to save Nevada and protect those from even further east that otherwise they'd be unable to help.

Wouldn't mind recreating the Underground Railroad, and I'm sure that would appeal more to the Ranger's sensibilities than other anything else morality wise.

>>4915877
That's why our dynasty will have to become the spiritual soul of the nation, if not the men running it. It'll keep the population focused and be able to rein in popular tyrants that may be elected.

>no political opposition

No organized political opposition. I don't mind grass roots protests and all that, but I don't want organized opposition conflicting with the interests of the people.

>>4915877
>low levels of development
And? Development doesn't correlate with good democracy. If it did then historical democracies would surely perform "worse" than modern ones (beyond the limitations of technology).

>uneducated populace
1 in 5 American men couldn't read in the year 1776 yet they still managed to have representational democracy in each of the 13 prior to that point when rates were worse and make it work thereafter as rates improved.

>disconnected settlements
They're within a days walk for the most part.

>lack of national identity
The only possible issue and even then not really one - arguably having politics might help forming a national identity by giving parties for the nation and population to crystallise around.

>poor dissemination of news
We have radio broadcasts man and almost every town in game had at least one radio - if we've got to have a national guarantee of radio access for voting age citizens it ain't impossible.

>no political opposition
We've the followers if you are looking for a oppositional organisation if we went democratic right now. Alternatively we could think of politics as a matter of opposition and instead a moderation of desires and responsibilities across a population by discussion and voting - leading to parties tied to demographics in terms of their desires like farming, urbanites, traders, etc.

Point is if people think they can speak or vote - they'll find lines to unify on either side of.

>>4915886
>I just don't believe it will save us from assimilation in the coming decades by becoming NCR-lite
If that is your worry then oppose me as much as you want - I disagree that that would be anywhere near our fate.

>Railroad
Pisses off Caesar publicly - I'd rather not.

>>4915877
>>4915886
>>4915896
we should follow the examples of the old world but improve upon them
we could create a parliament/duma that will give the people representation but we are still king and if a problem its to big we intervine this also will help us so we dont have to deal with stupid bullshit

>>4915906
also being a good king will help us on the long run

>>4915896
>And? Development doesn't correlate with good democracy. If it did then historical democracies would surely perform "worse" than modern ones (beyond the limitations of technology).

Atheans and the Romans disagree. Funnily enough, the American constitutional republic is the most modern democracy, with a balance of power institutionalized to prevent one party tyranny. It may be failing in modern times, but it can be argued that the federal government isn't adhering to the Constitution, and thus dysfunction forms.

>1 in 5 American men couldn't read in the year 1776 yet they still managed to have representational democracy in each of the 13 prior to that point when rates were worse and make it work thereafter as rates improved.

It was also only the rich landowner who could vote then, but the moral foundations laid down by our forefathers did lead to the expansion of voting rights, yes.

>The only possible issue and even then not really one - arguably having politics might help forming a national identity by giving parties for the nation and population to crystallise around.

You mean opposition parties so that can battle it out in government and prevent it from responding to foreign developments- or wore, actively subvert the government for foreign interests. No organized political parties, it'll just incentivize government opposition and create even further divisions within our disunited nation.

>We've the followers if you are looking for a oppositional organisation if we went democratic right now. Alternatively we could think of politics as a matter of opposition and instead a moderation of desires and responsibilities across a population by discussion and voting - leading to parties tied to demographics in terms of their desires like farming, urbanites, traders, etc.

The worse thing we can do right now is to make our healthcare professionals into our political opposition, that's just plain foolish.

Having opposition parties means that partisan politics will start polarizing the nation, and certain demographic interests will be ignored by the ruling party. Instead of fixing a majority of the political problems, there will only be enough political interest to solve the most pressing problems of certain demographics and ignoring others, and would indirectly lead to a tyranny of the majority over the minority. Freeside's interests will be exclusively focused on, to the detriment of the countryside, because Freeside has the most population out of all our nation combined. All we'd really be doing is fueling division in our fragile nation.

>If that is your worry then oppose me as much as you want - I disagree that that would be anywhere near our fate.

Your proposing a form of government that won't be able to navigate international politics enough to survive, and one that does fall into the same pitfalls and culture of the NCR. We'll be drowning in a bloated bureaucracy within ten years if we go that route.

>>4915906
Heinleinic Republic, because the random wastelander won't know the intricacies of political issues (on account of focusing on his immediate survival and prosperity), but would be incentivized to vote for his immediate benefit regardless of the strain it outs on the nation. The only people who should vote are those who work and serve to uphold this system of government. If ya ain't gonna work hard and fight for your vote, you don't deserve it.

>>4915886
Some level of political opposition is ultimately healthy for a nation. It keeps leaders and governments on their toes, remind us of things and people we forgot or haven't considered and means they have to stop and think things through before they try and ram through a decree, and sometimes they even make good points. Without a competent opposition it's very easy to become complacent or tyrannical without the sanity check they provide. No mercy for obstructionists however, we retain supreme authority and can bang our shoe on the table and say that you are going to shut up and this is how we are going to do things because we didn't come here to play Suzerain.

>>4915896
Low development is poison for the effectiveness and engagement of a democracy. If people are more concerned about their food stores, the viability of the local economy dependent on one thing and not being murdered by raiders or wildlife, they won't care as much about the issues of some other person half a world away or a thousand caps going missing from the casino maintenance budget. When there's low engagement, other forces that do not have the interests of the people in mind will creep in.
In the early US, voting rights were tightly restricted to the landowning elite (varied by state, most common requirement was 50 acres of land) so the fact that the plebs were uneducated didn't matter because they weren't allowed to vote anyway. Until the liberalisation of male voting rights in 1828, presidential elections had a popular vote turnout in the low single digit percents and even then it didn't rise above 15-20% until the early 20th century. If people don't understand how a state functions, how are they supposed to effectively decide how it should be run? This is still a persistent problem today, with many people still blindly voting for ideologies or ethnic groups instead of how good the leader is.
I assume space compression is still in effect, but the settlements are still highly insular. Most people will be born, live and die without ever setting foot far from their settlement and I doubt they feel much kinship with a random settlement on the other side of the state, which is I suppose part of the national identity problem.
Eh, points somewhat taken. I'm not sure what Mr. NV actually broadcasts much of the time and what news is selected to be disseminated, but ideally they would be able to chatter amongst themselves or refer to a variety of sources rather than relying on a single news source. And as for parties, making the Followers into an opposition movement or allowing them to become one is folly think that right now people still primarily identify with a localist agenda rather than collective groups of people which doesn't make for productive politics when you stick them all in a room - again, this all leads back to national identity. Maybe when we get that going and can re-evaluate and take stock of our unified society we can get a better idea of the state of things.

>>4915944
I'm currently living in such political dysfunction, and none of what you say of a heathy political opposition is happening, one party is openly tyrannical and promotes said dysfunction for political gain, while the people's livelihood burns to the ground. And this was with a heathy tradition as a functional constitutional republic going back to our nations founding. It ain't going to work in the wasteland with despotic tribals, a lack of civic tradition, and two great powers breathing down our necks waiting for us to make a mistake to capitalize on.

>If people don't understand how a state functions, how are they supposed to effectively decide how it should be run? This is still a persistent problem today, with many people still blindly voting for ideologies or ethnic groups instead of how good the leader is.

Exactly my point. A Heinleinic Republic where 'Service Guarantees Citizenship' would be best, as they would understand the issues and the effort it take to keep the system running. Civic duty will prevent them from fucking around with the issues and will incentivize them to actually solve the problem rather than profit from it.

>>4915969
That was the idealised way an opposition *should* function, at least. In practice it rarely does and tends to be more concerned with taking power and playing dirty to stop the ruling government from doing what they ideologically disagree with. However, being surrounded by yes-men is of no use so currently our various lieutenants and friends operate as a kind of de facto opposition to provide the sanity checks. It concerns me for a potential future leader who doesn't have that same network of contacts and relationships.

>>4915973
Sycophant are defiantly a problem, but I'd take them over clashing ideologies and political tribalism of democracy any day. At least the sycophant can be dealt with without consequences.

>>4916000
Which is why that if we do end up passing the mantle of leadership onto our hypothetical kid, we need to ensure they grow up around the people who will one day become their advisor council and drill into them a respect for the opinions and knowledge of their subordinates and get them on the ground with their subjects. Having them take the throne and then turn around going "I don't give a fuck what you think" would be a disaster.

>>4916042
Agreed.

We need to educate the Forecaster when we get him btw, and really treated the kid right.

>>4915930
>Atheans and the Romans disagree.
The Athenians and Romans thought there was a direct link between economic prosperity and democratic thought / activity?

>Funnily enough, the American constitutional republic is the most modern democracy, with a balance of power institutionalized to prevent one party tyranny.
Inaccurate given many constitutional republics and democracies have been founded since the US - Japan, modern Germany, Spain, Turkey. Dozens.

>It was also only the rich landowner who could vote then, but the moral foundations laid down by our forefathers did lead to the expansion of voting rights, yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_voting_rights_in_the_United_States

Before the year 1800, Georgia, Vermont, Kentucky, Delaware and New Hampshire got rid of the property requirement Georgia even got rid of the need to pay taxes in order to be a voter. It was not "just" rich landowners - 13 states (and growing over time) each made their own laws and decisions regarding this, changing away from the baseline you refer to and in some cases with great speed.

>You mean opposition parties so that can battle it out in government and prevent it from responding to foreign developments- or wore, actively subvert the government for foreign interests. No organized political parties, it'll just incentivize government opposition and create even further divisions within our disunited nation.
You can't stop parties, they're endemic to humans.

>The worse thing we can do right now is to make our healthcare professionals into our political opposition, that's just plain foolish.
They're not our healthcare professionals - they're a charitable organisation that just so happens to be the only source of medical aid beyond Auto-Docs and the Courier's own hands but you know what? They already HAVE demands and will make further ones known as the need presses them.

>Having opposition parties means that partisan politics will start polarizing the nation, and certain demographic interests will be ignored by the ruling party.
Exactly so the solution is to have MORE than TWO PARTIES - you know like Europe does rather than the US political straight line: "Communist Leftist Baby-Killers" and "Fascist Right-Wing Terrorists".

>Freeside's interests will be exclusively focused on, to the detriment of the countryside, because Freeside has the most population out of all our nation combined.
Do you think I want direct democracy or something?

>Your proposing a form of government that won't be able to navigate international politics enough to survive, and one that does fall into the same pitfalls and culture of the NCR.
Hilarious that you think there is international politics to navigate whenever there's a total of 3 nations worth talking about, two of them being in a eternal death war.

>>4915944
>Low development is poison for the effectiveness and engagement of a democracy. If people are more concerned about their food stores, the viability of the local economy dependent on one thing and not being murdered by raiders or wildlife, they won't care as much about the issues of some other person half a world away or a thousand caps going missing from the casino maintenance budget. When there's low engagement, other forces that do not have the interests of the people in mind will creep in.
Yet in our case we have none of the issues you mentioned? We supply food to most of freeside with the rest buying, our economy is booming, wildlife and raiders have been exterminated - We are in a good position by the measures of the wastes and comparable to the NCR in terms of safety for the most part for travel.

>In the early US, voting rights were tightly restricted to the landowning elite (varied by state, most common requirement was 50 acres of land) so the fact that the plebs were uneducated didn't matter because they weren't allowed to vote anyway. Until the liberalisation of male voting rights in 1828, presidential elections had a popular vote turnout in the low single digit percents and even then it didn't rise above 15-20% until the early 20th century. If people don't understand how a state functions, how are they supposed to effectively decide how it should be run? This is still a persistent problem today, with many people still blindly voting for ideologies or ethnic groups instead of how good the leader is.
See prior post, discussed this.

>I assume space compression is still in effect, but the settlements are still highly insular. Most people will be born, live and die without ever setting foot far from their settlement and I doubt they feel much kinship with a random settlement on the other side of the state, which is I suppose part of the national identity problem.

>Eh, points somewhat taken. I'm not sure what Mr. NV actually broadcasts much of the time and what news is selected to be disseminated, but ideally they would be able to chatter amongst themselves or refer to a variety of sources rather than relying on a single news source. And as for parties, making the Followers into an opposition movement or allowing them to become one is folly think that right now people still primarily identify with a localist agenda rather than collective groups of people which doesn't make for productive politics when you stick them all in a room - again, this all leads back to national identity. Maybe when we get that going and can re-evaluate and take stock of our unified society we can get a better idea of the state of things.

>>4916125
Fuck, forgot two:

>I assume space compression is still in effect, but the settlements are still highly insular. Most people will be born, live and die without ever setting foot far from their settlement and I doubt they feel much kinship with a random settlement on the other side of the state, which is I suppose part of the national identity problem.
I mean that's true of any nation. So yeah.

>Eh, points somewhat taken. I'm not sure what Mr. NV actually broadcasts much of the time and what news is selected to be disseminated, but ideally they would be able to chatter amongst themselves or refer to a variety of sources rather than relying on a single news source.
To be fair, it ain't like Mr NV is the only broadcaster - we could certainly have others with time.

>And as for parties, making the Followers into an opposition movement or allowing them to become one is folly think that right now people still primarily identify with a localist agenda rather than collective groups of people which doesn't make for productive politics when you stick them all in a room - again, this all leads back to national identity. Maybe when we get that going and can re-evaluate and take stock of our unified society we can get a better idea of the state of things.
Fine - I disagree - but fine.

>>4916099
>The Athenians and Romans thought there was a direct link between economic prosperity and democratic thought / activity

I think Imperial Japan would have an issue with that, considering they went from a medieval society into an industrial one in about 30 years, where it took Europe a couple hundred years. Innovation is linked to freedom of expression generally, yes.

>Inaccurate given many constitutional republics and democracies have been founded since the US - Japan, modern Germany, Spain, Turkey. Dozens.

All of them former dictatorships during the World Wars. All now American allies. Makes you think, doesn't it?

>It was not "just" rich landowners - 13 states (and growing over time) each made their own laws and decisions regarding this, changing away from the baseline you refer to and in some cases with great speed.

Thank you for supporting my proposition with evidence, I'm much obliged.

>You can't stop parties, they're endemic to humans.

Factions, you mean. Parties live at the leisure of the state, Take Nazi Germany, the Soviets, and China as examples.

>they're a charitable organisation that just so happens to be the only source of medical aid beyond Auto-Docs and the Courier's own hands

Again, our only source of healthcare. Hence the phrase 'our healthcare professionals'. They may ideas, not demands. Politicizing them will turn it into demands, and it'll be foolish to turn them into an opposition party against us, because it risks them leveraging their 'charity work' against us.

>Exactly so the solution is to have MORE than TWO PARTIES

Yes, have multiple parties tarring at the fabric of our fragile society. Much more enlightened than US politics (except it's really just the establishment vs populism in Europe than it is about true political diversity among their parties). And the fascists came from left-wing ideology, a real right-wing state would be modern Saudi Arabia.

>Do you think I want direct democracy or something?

You keep using democracy. If you meant a republic, it would make more sense, but still run into the same problems like the NCR.

>Hilarious that you think there is international politics to navigate whenever there's a total of 3 nations worth talking about, two of them being in a eternal death war.

You say that now, but what if Kimball really was assassinated by our honor guard? The NCR public would demand blood. Would we join the Legion then? And if the NCR is defeated, who would keep the Legion occupied from us?

Looks like there are international politics to navigate.

>>4916125
>We supply food to most of freeside with the rest buying, our economy is booming, wildlife and raiders have been exterminated - We are in a good position by the measures of the wastes and comparable to the NCR in terms of safety for the most part for travel.

Crime is rising, and if we are militarily and economically weak as a nation still. Tourism economy can't stand in hard times, and there will be hard time eventually.

>>4916174
>They have* ideas, not demands.

>>4916099
>The Athenians and Romans thought there was a direct link between economic prosperity and democratic thought / activity?

And I brought up the Athenians and Romans as failed democracies. I thought you meant political developments, not economic developments.

>>4916174
If I understand correctly, while we might have the bandits and wildlife under control, the majority of our population still lives a subsistence or hand-to-mouth existence in poverty with short life expectancies. At a grassroots level our economy is built on eggshells and our state income is almost completely dependent on the NCR, either in the form of utility rates or tourism. If the NCR sneezes, we're going to catch goddamn Ebola.

Wtf what did I miss. Can I get a tl;dr?

>>4916270
my head hurts after sifting through all the discussion looking for the update

>>4916270
Just a debate about what our system of government should be.

Just to be clear, I love the US Constitutional Republic, despite it's many faults, both federal and local. I think, in spite of the corrupt tyrants running it, that the forefathers that created the US system of government were very forward thinking. But it isn't a system we can easily replicate and expect to survive here, in between two great power fighting for control of the region. The reason I bring up Imperial Japan a lot is that they faced the very same dilemma for it's birth- a resource starved nation that's backwards industrially, militarily, technologically, and politically (culturally and government), and realizing that it need to adapt fast or it will die within a generation, to be absorbed by the other great powers in their sphere's of influence. We simply don't have the time to play domestic politics as a politician of a republic, we got shit to do and a nation to build.

>>4916277
There isn't an update atm, I was waiting for one as well.

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>>4915877
I always thought we would just keep creating clones bodies, or convert our mind into an A.I. Who needs successors when you'll never die?

>>4915906
+1. Unlike other monarchs or kings, we GET SHIT DONE. We're not afraid to do things personally. We're the kind of guy that'll wade through neck deep in shit if we need to strangle a Mirelurk queen to death....provided it has good EXP and legendary loot.

>>4916064
First and foremost I think we should set him up with appointments with the Followers to talk about his parents so he doesn't grow up to be fucked in the head, then after we've built an institute of education we can enroll him in a grade appropriate level. I wanna see our boy grow up to be healthy and successful.

>>4916281
Fuck I'm not going to read all that. Way too late for me.
Shogun, Emperor, King, the big cheese, so long as we're in charge for as long as possible I'm cool with most things.

Let's talk about things that's less head splitting, like trading and resource. For one, in the theoretical scenario where we manage to sway the White Legs to our corner, what should we do with them? Could we teach them how to more effectively harvest their salt for trade? How to hunt animals and salt the meats to preserve them longer? Make and sell jerky?

>>4916323
>I always thought we would just keep creating clones bodies, or convert our mind into an A.I. Who needs successors when you'll never die?

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Shi_Emperor

>For one, in the theoretical scenario where we manage to sway the White Legs to our corner, what should we do with them? Could we teach them how to more effectively harvest their salt for trade? How to hunt animals and salt the meats to preserve them longer? Make and sell jerky?

All of the above? It's honestly to offset the influence of the Legion aligned 86 tribe, as a proxy force to prevent the Legion from taking Zion in another push. We don't want the Legion to start expanding up north in our (trademark pending) turf.

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>>4916333
The Shi Emperor isn't a true A.I., but super prediction terminal. Am I missing something here?

After we call Dips on Dry Wells, we should send some soldiers up north to message Graham, the new chief of the White Legs, and the various other tribes about how much better we are that the Legion, or getting but fucked by the 88. Seriously, join us. We're not perfect but we're far from the worst alternative.

>>4882864
>The soldiers you sent with the caravan heading north returned in one piece, though a little worse for wear. They reported a successful mission in trading with a handful of smaller northern tribes. Your soldiers also took the liberty to do a little advanced recon while the caravan was camped out at numerous locations. From talking to natives and the occasional run-ins with hostiles, they created a rudimentary map for reference.
>Many of the independent tribes are peaceful as long as their territory isn’t intruded upon. Zio and the Dead Horses you are deeply familiar with and what remains of the White Legs have retreated to a desolate piece of land in between the 80’s and the Dead Horses.
>The 80’s are probably the largest threat in the area. While not extreme expansionists, they have a fierce warrior culture and a surprisingly sophisticated hierarchy. If travelers don’t pay exorbitant fees through their territory, they are either kidnapped and sold to The Legion or massacred.
>The only other thing of note would be rumors of a high-tech group up near the old Canadian-US border. No one your soldiers talked to could get any concrete evidence, just anecdotes and tribal stories. Metal birds from the sky spitting fire and thunder, metal gods who are impervious to anything the tribals could attack with, weapons that turned men into piles of ash and goo. To your knowledge, the Brotherhood do not have a chapter way up north but there seems to be plenty you don’t know now.

>>4906538
>Okay tribe information. The 80's are great metallurgists, creating impressive armor and weapons from common scrap. They are aligned with the legion, supplying then with many blacksmiths and slaves captured from the old interstate and other tribes.
>The sorrows and dead horses you're familiar with. Not much of an industry, though friendly to the Courier and could be beneficial to creating a medicinal industry or gecko husbandry
>The loose grouping of independent tribes don't have much to export nor are they based in any large salvage areas. This means they are pretty weak, though not a target as they just supply manpower mainly. Think of them as the tribes you see in Zion, just worse
Considering Zion's close proximity to Legion territory, they would benifit from an alliance with us, in additon to most of the other friendly tribes. Plus, once we establish a literal wall of territory (absorbing various tribes, white legs, and zion) we can charge both empires out the asses just to cross our borders so they can slaughter each other.

>>4916333
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9NPePCvnWY
Lets not forget about the Khans. They might be worth integrating as well, depending on how far north they went.

>>4916356
Technically, never dead (even if it was never alive in the first place).

We should send them north after we deal with the horde, I agree.