"Obligation...? Reason...?" You look Tiamat in her huge pink eyes. The cross pattern within them as beautiful as they always are even when she dwarfs you like a human might dwarf an ant. "I don't need any of those to help somebody, Tiamat. Especially not a good person like you. You shouldn't have to be used as a stepping stone by others... you deserve better than, Tiamat. You are the Mother of all life, and it is the role of a mother to not just give birth to her children, but also to guide them. To protect them. To ensure they succeed in life." You inform Tiamat of the role of a mother, before you laugh a little. "But... if I was pressed to give you a reason, I'd say... it's because I wanted to protect your smile, Tiamat. I don't want to see somebody as good-hearted as yourself cry, or be torn apart by your own children. You... deserve better than that."

"I see..." Tiamat seems to be considering your words deeply, before she speaks once more. "But who are you, Outsider? You are not of this world, I can tell, but... from whence do you originate? Why have you taken an interest in this world?" Tiamat still sounds slightly suspicious of you, and though she seems to have accepted your reason for helping her she is still wary of you and your origins.

"I... am not originally of this planet, that is true. Though I do consider myself an inhabitant of it, one of the humans who in the future of this world will thrive upon this planet." You sigh as Tiamat continues to look at you with a huge scrutinizing eye. "My sister... my sister and I owe you a great deal, I cannot explain the cause for why, but... I owe you enough that I wouldn't simply allow you to be struck down." You then look at the giant woman with a smile on your face. "I may not have been born from you, Tiamat, but... I consider myself a human, and you are the mother of humanity. So that makes you my mother as well." Tiamat frowns at your non-answer, before you purposely allow yourself to fall backwards, taking a seat on her giant palm.

You somehow feel like revealing too much in this conceptual world could be... dangerous. Though the danger isn't of a malicious nature. "So, you saved me from my rebelling child for this reason? Because you consider me your mother and you owe me a debt?" Tiamat seems to wish to confirm your motives, and you shrug.

"Well, that's what children are meant to do, isn't it? Protect their parents? It's not supposed to be a vicious cycle of birth and betrayal. It is a mother's duty to give birth to her children, and then to raise them into the strongest beings they can be. When they reach adulthood, it is then the duty of the child to protect the mother. I suppose I was merely fulfilling my duty as your child, Tiamat." You smile at the giant woman, who looks stunned at your words.

"I... see..." Tiamat seems to take your words to heart. "But... you've continued to evade my questions, Outsider. You've told me that you are not of this world, but not your true name, or of where you originated from." Tiamat asks once again for your true identity, and you run a hand through your hair.

"I'll answer whatever questions you might have when we next meet, Tiamat, how does that sound?" You place a palm against the skin of the hand you're sitting on. "I won't call it destiny, or fate. But I know that we will meet each other once again, I assure you of that." You can't answer her questions here, you don't know why you feel that way, but... you just can't. However... there's one thing you can answer for her. "My True Name though? It's Shinji Makiri." You smile at Tiamat one last time as you infuse her with a concept. The concept of Progress flows through the body of the Mother Goddess, and her eyes widen in surprise before the world around you flashes white and you find yourself being dragged back to the place from whence you came.

You find yourself laying down face up, Tiamat staring down at you with a smile before you realize that your head was sitting atop her bare legs. From Tiamat's back, you notice two colossal feathered wings. Like that of an angelic being. You try to activate your Eye of Truth to observe the changes done to Tiamat, in addition to getting a proper read on her, but the nature of the world you currently stand in has made the activation of your Pure Eyes impossible, unbelievably. Seems that Sakura's mastery over Nullification wasn't truly complete yet.

Tiamat is looking down at you with a smile still, and you decide you may as well speak first.

>"So... do you feel different then?"
>"Do you want me to answer those questions now?"
>"Do you think you'll be able to come out of Sakura for extended periods now? Or maybe speak with her without suffering from the feedback loop?"
>Get up from the lap pillow and headpat her.
>Write-in...

>>4896615
>Get up from the lap pillow and ruffle Tiamat`s hair.
>Give Tiamat a hug
>"Do you think you'll be able to come out of Sakura for extended periods now? Or maybe speak with her without suffering from the feedback loop? I don`t want you to feel alone any longer or just observe the word through something like prison cell bars"
>"So... do you feel different then?"
>"And do you want me to answer those questions now?"
Might as well pick everything and add a hug.

>>4896615
>>"Do you want me to answer those questions now?"
>"and do you feel any different?"
Her lap is nice, lets stay here a little more.

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>>4896615
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Mommy still knows best. And what a nice conversation we had with her.

>>4896620
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>>4896622
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+1.

>>4896615
Supporting >>4896620

>>4896628
Well that's cute

>>4896628
If only that was what actually happened. I was angry at Gudako's talk with Tiamat, where he essentially answered her "Please don't leave me behind" with "Thanks for everything mom, we love you, back to your cage now, you'll never see us again, bye!"

God why is the first instinct to flirt? Already have so many obligations plus our own training. It's like people wish to be bigger down in SLs.

>>4896632
Well it's not like he could stay or so anything about her situation. He isn't god not did he have the tools to succeed in the situation.

>>4896632
While he could have said more things, he had no way of helping her there.

>>4896615
Calling in 30

>>4896632
This is still better than how they dealt with other people they crossed paths with.

>>4896615
>>4896628
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>>4896669
Wait LMAO. I just supported a support. I meant to support >>4896620

Tally?

>>4896673

>>4896615
>Get up from the lap pillow and ruffle Tiamat`s hair.
>Give Tiamat a hug
>"Do you think you'll be able to come out of Sakura for extended periods now? Or maybe speak with her without suffering from the feedback loop? I don`t want you to feel alone any longer or just observe the word through something like prison cell bars"
>"So... do you feel different then?"
>"And do you want me to answer those questions now?"
>>4896620
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>>4896624
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>>"Do you want me to answer those questions now?"
>"and do you feel any different?"
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the old thread is too laggy to open on mobile, can someone screencap what the jubilant catarina man is talking about?

When's Paradox Carnival happening?

>>4896743
2 days

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>>4896723
Don't worry, was just catching up with the usual shitposting. Nothing too important. I realised about halfway the thread was dead anyway.

Batman pretending to be retarded for 7 years was a really interesting plot twist, I must say.

>>4896772
Wasn't me you dumb nigger

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>>4896775
I guess the vergilmeds wore off again then?

Anyone else like the two simultaneous plots in the thread? The actual story and the schizoposting arguments of all of Shinji's headmates.

Very kino two in one

>>4896776
All the so called shitposting has been saiyan and some other anon.

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>>4896760
penis id

>>4896673
JEW5 id

RIP Marduk, the world's first meme

You get up from the lap pillow, Tiamat's soft hands resting upon your shoulders don't try to force you down, but there is a tiny amount of resistance, almost as if she doesn't want you to get up from her comforting embrace, however... you can't spend forever with her. So, with that in mind, you get up from the floor and pat her on the head, ruffling her hair slightly when you do. Yeah, it's much easier to give somebody a headpat when you aren't comparatively smaller than an ant compared to them.

"Shinji..." Tiamat says your name calmly as you pat her atop the head, before you suddenly retract your hand from the top of her head and envelop the woman in a hug, not even caring for that fact that she's completely nude aside from her gloves and leggings. Why would you care, anyway? The woman quickly responds to your hug and wraps her arms around you as well, and the two of you remain that way for some time. In silence, you hold the woman, who smiles at you with great joy in her eyes.

You don't let go of her, even when you decide to start speaking again. "Do you... think that you'll be able to come out of Sakura for extended periods now that I've granted you a concept? Or maybe speak with her without suffering too much from the feedback loop to actually be able to converse...?" You speak softly and with care to the woman. "I don't want you to feel alone any longer, or to be forced to just observe the world through something like prison cell bars."

"I... think that it might be possible for me to leave Sakura if she were to allow it now, though... we would still be linked, I believe it might be possible for me to suppress the feedback loop for long enough that the two of us could hold conversations with one another, as well... the only thing that's keeping me here now is Sakura's own power, and... the link we share with one another. We are bonded inseparably, after all. When I took root in this place, we became inextricably linked with one another. I, on my own, do not have the power to permanently leave Sakura." Tiamat explains the depth of the bond that she shares with Sakura.

"I see... well, so long as it is possible for you to leave Sakura at all, I consider it a victory. Now you'll finally be able to look upon the world you are responsible for without fear of destroying it! Aren't you happy?" You smile, and she smiles back before nodding.

"I'm happy, of course I'm happy..." The woman suddenly starts to laugh, a deep seated joy finally having built up enough within her to allow her to laugh, possibly for the first time in millions of years. "You managed to grant my wish, Shinji. Just like you do for so many others." She smiled happily at that, and you decide that with your eye inactive, your best bet of finding out how Tiamat is changed would be to simply ask.

"So... do you feel any different then? I can't really tell if much has changed about you other than..." You point at the two wings on Tiamat's back, which she flaps experimentally.

"Oh... those things. Well... I'm not entirely sure exactly how I've changed, but... I feel that I'm no longer a Beast anymore... yet I retain all of the powers I had as a Beast, I've... been granted new powers... though I am not sure just how to wield them yet." Tiamat frowns, before she looks at you and begins smiling again. "Whatever happened though, I'm no longer a Beast, but I'm... something greater, it feels like. Something that exists beyond even a Beast. What you could call that, I... do not know." Tiamat ends the hug with you and flaps her newly formed angelic wings with a smile.

"Interesting..." Something beyond a Beast? Just... just what did you end up doing to Tiamat that has made her so powerful? What sort of existence could exist beyond a Beast? "So... those questions I offered to answer for you, would you like me to answer them now?" You remember what you promised in her internal world, and Tiamat just tilts her head at you in confusion.

"Questions...? What... what do you mean, Shinji? I don't recall having any questions for you. I already believe I know all that I need to about you." Tiamat says with a happy smile, and you freeze for a moment. Something... something doesn't add up. Why would the Tiamat in her conceptual world and the Tiamat outside of her conceptual world be different like this? It was special in Rhon's case, as she was a Goddess, so the conceptual core of her being was herself, so... was that not the case here too? How is it that Tiamat doesn't recall the offer?

Before you can try to get to the bottom of things, Sakura's voice suddenly calls out. "O-onii-chan? I can't keep the natural reaction of my internal world at bay for much longer! You have about a minute in there before I have to pull you out!" Sakura's voice booms around you and Tiamat, and you clench your fist. Damn it! You need more time to find out just what is going on here!

>Ask Sakura if she can't hold on for a little longer, you want to speak with Tiamat.
>Ask Sakura if she can take Tiamat out with you for some time.
>Ask Tiamat why she can't remember what happened in the conceptual world.
>Ask Tiamat if she still wants to know the truth about you.
>Kiss Tiamat before you leave.
>Write-in...

>>4896819
Oh fuck we really did time travel didn’t we.

Anyways
>Ask Sakura if she can't hold on for a little longer, you want to speak with Tiamat.
>Ask Tiamat why she can't remember what happened in the conceptual world

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>tiamat doesn't remember

oopsie doopsie, is that a new lostbelt in which a CONCEPTED Tiamat isn't killed by Marduk occurs at the start of history?

>>4896833
Why is every alternate reality worse than ours? I wish changing the past made things better rather than dooming the world for once.

>>4896826
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>>4896839
Are you sure that's worse?

Primordial mother goddess with the concept of Progress, countering her normal Beasthood Regression Sin.

It'll be a super society if anything.

Although the landmasses would be a lot different, Marduk isn't nearly as big as her, and he was split into 5? pieces in the last few updates, so the planet is gonna probably look very waterworldy

I will try to get a final update out tonight, so uh... votes would be enjoyed.

>>4896819
>Ask Sakura if she can't hold on for a little longer, you want to speak with Tiamat.
>Ask Tiamat why she can't remember what happened in the conceptual world

>>4896819
>Ask Sakura if she can't hold on for a little longer, you want to speak with Tiamat.
>Ask Tiamat why she can't remember what happened in the conceptual world

>>4896879
Uhh cummies

"Sakura! Can you try to hold on for a little longer? I need to speak with Tiamat for a just a few more minutes! It might be crucial!" You call up to the sky, not knowing just how Sakura observes things that occur in her world, but it seems that it did the trick.

"A-alright, Onii-chan! I'll do my best! B-but if I feel like I'm losing my grip, I'm pulling you out immediately, OK?!" Sakura calls back down to you, and you nod.

"That sounds fine, Sakura. I just need to figure out what has actually happened here." You haven't really asked many people about their conceptual worlds, as it's... a little awkward, but... you do have one person you can ask... 'Rhon. Can you tell me if you remember what happened when I saved you inside your conceptual world?' You call out to the spear within you, and you soon receive your response.

'What sort of a question is that, Master? Of course I remember that! How could I forget it? It was the most important moment in my entire existence!' Rhongomyniad sounds annoyed at the implication that she'd forget what you did for her, and you realize that... something is definitely up here.

'Then... can you tell me what you remember from Tiamat's Conceptual World then, Rhon? You were with me, I even used you against Marduk, right?' You want to confirm that Rhon remembers battling with Marduk, but there's a brief silence for some time, before the spear speaks.

'You... did? Wait... you used... me? In Tiamat's world...?' Rhon sounds confused, and you start to worry now. Why can nobody remember what happened within Tiamat's internal world?! First Tiamat herself, and now Rhongomyniad! 'N-now I feel silly! I can't remember you using me at all! Unless it was... Ack!; Rhon suddenly makes a noise of pain, and stops talking altogether.

'Rhon?! What happened?!' You shout through the mental link, panic in your projected voice as you try to ascertain what exactly had happened to make Rhon stop talking like that.

'She's... fine. She's just fainted. I... don't know what exactly is happening here, but... I don't think it would be wise to ask her about how you used her in Tiamat's world again. She seemed to be on the verge of something, before she just... fainted.' Kay suddenly speaks in Rhongomyniad's stead, informing you of just what had happened. This... definitely isn't good. Something has definitely happened, and you're determined to find out just what exactly occurred within Tiamat's conceptual world that has made it so different.

'Thank you, Kay. Make sure she's alright... I don't know what the interior of that spear looks like, but make sure she rests in bed.' You order the knight without caring what he might think or even what the interior of Rhongomyniad is actually like. You imagine it would look something like Rhongomyniad's Conceptual World, but... you can't really be sure of that.

"Tiamat. Do you know why you can't remember what happened in your conceptual world? This... has never happened before, and I feel something larger at play might be at work."

"..." Tiamat looks at you in silence for a moment, lost in deep thought as she tries to come up with an explanation for you, before she suddenly seems to have a flash of inspiration, and her eyes open wide! "I think I understand! I... when you opened your eyes again, it... didn't feel like I had changed! No... it felt like I was finally unlocking something that I've had for... a long time." Oh, then... "Like as if I had this power hidden within me all this time, and I'd just... never found it! Is this not... what it's like for everyone?" Tiamat asks you innocently, and your eyes widen.

"No... no Tiamat, it's not what normally happens. Something very strange has happened here. Something very strange indeed. You said that it felt like the power has almost always been within you and it only just activated? That you can remember nothing of what happened in your Conceptual World?" You really really don't like where this is headed, but... you don't know if there's any other explanation.

"I did. This power... I wasn't born with it, but... I certainly had it before my body was used to create the world." Oh. Oh no.

"Tiamat... you were... killed by Marduk, weren't you? Before all this." You want to confirm that history hasn't somehow changed, and Tiamat frowns, clearly not happy to be reminded of Marduk, not that you can blame her at all for it.

"I was... but... what does that have to do with anything?" Tiamat sounds upset at the reminder of her original death, and you realize that you can't have changed this timeline through time travel. So... why do you feel so strange?

>Theorize about what happened. (What's your guess?)
>Hug Tiamat one last time and have Sakura take you back out to the real world
>Have Sakura just return you to the real world.
>Take Tiamat's hand, and have her come to the real world with you.
>Write-in...

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>>4896922
sneed

>>4896926
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>>4896927
indeed

>>4896923
>Hug Tiamat one last time and have Sakura take you back out to the real world

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>>4896929
Got any thoughts about whats going on niggerman?

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>>4896932
the jews did it

Well, this is the first time we concepted someone with Independent Manifestation.

For her specifically..

>At Rank B, this Skill is a declaration of the holder’s presence across all of space-time, and thereby grants immunity against existential threats by way of time paradox or the instantaneous imposition of death.[22]

We probably just made a new time tree or branch with an offshoot concept, because Shinji's chad tree trunk can't be altered. We might have made a sister branch with a Truth concepted foundation?

>>4896938
Also means we should be really careful about what we give Morgan and Merlin.

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>>4896939
Wat would making Merlin understand humans and overall nicer change?

>>4896946
Well.. he might just give up on Britain in despair, knowing what awaited them. Which would create other lostbelts like lb6 where mystery never ended.

>>4896923
Oh yeah we absolutely fucking time traveled.
>Theorize about what happened. (You somehow time traveled back to when Marduk was about to kill Tiamat and may have accidentally created an alternative timeline within your own timeline)
>Hug Tiamat one last time and have Sakura take you back out to the real world

Called it! Created a new branch and it was recorded somehow to affect all Tiamats.

>>4896932
Support on sucking them titties

The Tiamat we changed will never get answer.

>>4896983
Well Babylonia just got fucked.

>>4896989
We will just have to go to that timeline.

so if there's only one timeline or something, then are BAD ENDS just not canon to us?

So, maybe its because tiamat's death is a quantum time lock? Thats why rhongo fucking blacked out trying to remember, we maybe made something like a dragon break from TES, where 2 or more different events happen at the same time in the same timeline, so tiamat died, but also didnt.
Well, at least thats my theory.

>>4896923
>prevent tiamat from being killed in the conceptual world

guys did we just invalidate the entire world's creation?

>>4896778
Me and Autist. Then Autist screaming at other Anon's. Thinking they were me or Batman.

>>4897005
Did we accidentally pull a plan like Wormpa?

>>4896923
Huh, well is this going to happen again when we go into Tamamo to Concept her?

>>4896989
We just Trunks'ed the timeline.
>>4896991
How?

>>4897005
Rhongo might have just blacked out because she tried to recall watching us work and was close to zero summing.
Or she recalled having the texture rolled out from under her and rewritten.

>>4896923
this>>4896948

>>4896938
Yeah that is probably exactly what happened. Our Tree is the main, but near the base of the timeline where Tiamat is relatively, we just made a whole new Trunk. But I'm not sure if it counts as a Truth Concepted Foundation because Tiamat was never killed to make the world.

>>4897105
Maybe not zero summing, but more like an error overflow.

Wait, what happens to Alaya in a Truth Tiamat world?

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>>4897106
Well, rather than her un-concepted corpse rended apart to make the heavens and earth, instead Marduk's 5 pieces would be used to construct the new world. Also, Tiamat with her new conceptual Progress upgrade, on top of her old abilities now likely leads her children towards a hyper advanced age.

>"I did. This power... I wasn't born with it, but... I certainly had it before my body was used to create the world."

>"I was... but... what does that have to do with anything?" Tiamat sounds upset at the reminder of her original death, and you realize that you can't have changed this timeline through time travel. So... why do you feel so strange?

We cannot alter this time tree because Truth meme makes it absolute, but we most likely made a divergence point right at the beginning of Genesis where Tiamat was supposed to be killed. So, in reference to the original myth I'd imagine Marduk's corpse was instead used to create the heavens and earth, and Tiamat is now recounting our speech to her in the "conceptual world" about a mother guiding her children. She probably vored or jannied all the old gods which didn't serve her, and became something like a TYPE which would have then dabbed on all the extra-terrestrial gods who would later land. There was a split in the Sumerian pantheon surrounding those who summoned Tiamat and those who didn't during the original conflict. I imagine those loyal stayed elevated while those who rebelled were put down or made to serve.

I wonder what happened when Sefar arrives in this timeline?

And for If new reality was made...

Sumer is now a steampunk kingdom. Gil has blue hair and steam powered mecha. Enkidu is his nanomachine companion. The world is now a discworld carried on back of a titty dragon.

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>>4897114
The land mass would be a lot smaller due to Marduk being a little manlet compared to Tiamat in size, and Tiamat as is the embodiment of saltwater so I imagine a planet with a lot less land, lots of seawater and a gigachad magitek style civilisation aesthetic.

Maybe like Zanarkand?

ENTER,
NEO GILGAMESH

>>4897114
Also since the god of law is dead and loving mother goddess was infused with progress, everyone is a tolerant liberal progressivist now!

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>>4897117
bro you're ruining the kino

>>4897113
>We accidentally made human Kryptonians.
Cool, but I am worried about what will happen with their progress. If we somehow pull this off like we think...when are they going to try and contact us?
>>4897114
That sounds awesome as hell. The big titty mecha better be able to combine with other flying cities for super dragon robots.
>>4897116
What about giant Island Ships in the seas?
>>4897117
What have we done...

>>4897117
Wait no, that doesn't make sense, that is the definition of Anti Progress. The society couldn't function.

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>>4897120
Using Independent Manifestation magitek, and assuming they defeated the Olympian MECHACHAD mining crew, as well as Sefar, I imagine they'd just go harvest other timelines or Lostbelts for resources as outer space can't really exist in a pseudo lostbelt/texture specific AU.

But I imagine if Tiamum ever met Shinji again she'd immediately simp. We'll see I guess

>>4897116
>>4897120
Kek
we will have to check out and see with our own eyes. We can ask our Alaya if she feels any different (inb4 she is craving food suddenly and inexplicably), and if it was really all adjacent reality thing I guess we can try asking Rin if she has a new derivative around. Or we may get approached by a friendly(?) grand servant from there.

>>4897123
>Invasion of the Mecha Arc when
>The only way to achieve lasting peace is breeding Mama Tiamat
Well, I for one welcome our soon to be alternate universe brethren.
>>4897124
Can Rin even do that? Is she just Ratatosker for us, and going to be our messenger to the other tree? Could the other tree track her signature if they see her?
>We can ask our Alaya if she feels any different (inb4 she is craving food suddenly and inexplicably),
HEY, None of that here, we did not knock her up, yet, hopefully never to be on the safe side. Maybe she has a actual Twin now? But with glasses and a toga?
>Or we may get approached by a friendly(?) grand servant from there.
Who would they even send? Alternate Gilgamesh and his best Bro and or Waifu because Nanomachines Enkidu?

>>4897128
Well she can peek at other versions of herself and single them out according to their circumstance, she did that before. If there’s a new timeline with wildly different history, if a Rin was born there she’d likely stand out a good bit I imagine.

desu we just inadvertently created actual organic plot threads to follow post Manaka, always good to have something to chase

>>4897132
That is the question, is there even alternate versions of us in that universe? Hell, since the old continents and gods never happened, do they even have close facsimiles of our Servants?

>>4897135
God I hope we just finish her off and she doesn't escape. Her being incompetent will only last so long, and her having our Truth plus her bullshit is asking for trouble.

>>4897135
we have several plot threads we can chase though, we keep talking about Clock Tower

>>4897117
In fact, Matriarchy is virtually guaranteed as dominant form of social order, too. Maybe Gil is a woman now as well.

>>4897145
That would be weird, should we try and prevent them from meeting each other in that event?
>>4897144
Not Harry Potter arc will be fun.

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>>4897144
I originally proposed that

However with our new powers, clocktower is going to look more and more like Maou Gakuin as Shinji tries his best to hide his powerlevel while seeing who is worth not sending to the maze. I guess, being in England, Aylesbury can happen simultaneously for narrative's sake. Along with some Pendragon family SoL stuff.

TECHNICALLY, as the clocktower existed during the time of Artoria it's uhh, all her property. As is Albion, a great dragon of Britain :^)))

>>4897135
Visiting the Lostbelt lead by the Beast of Progress will be very interesting, yeah. Mommy Tiamat will guide her children much, much better than the other shithead gods did.

>>4897144
Yeah, but those were canon plot threads we just haven't gotten around to dealing with yet. This Lostbelt is something completely new.

>>4897145
Humanity in that world would be created in our image. I doubt LB Gil would be a woman, but he'd probably have wakame hair.

>>4897153
Clocktower arc gets more and more fun, yeah.

>>4897153
Doesn't Mordred technically own it now?

>>4897157
Concepted Artoria owns everything that belongs to Britain.

>>4897159
Mordred is the rightful ruler though, unless Artoria is just being the keeper.

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>>4897164
at this stage Mordred's only put her name on the ballot in gold letters, she doesn't own anything yet.

Artoria however..

>King's Treasury - Arsenal of Camelot: E~EX Rank Noble Phantasms
>A Noble Phantasm gained through the application of the concept of Arthuriana. Thanks to this Noble Phantasm, Arturia not only has the ability to summon every single mount and treasure that was ever possessed by Camelot or a member of Britain under her rule, but she can also exert a certain degree of authority over them. Allowing for the negation of any Noble Phantasm that is in her vault, as well as the removal of said treasure from another wielder, even if Arturia herself never actually owned that particular treasure in life.

Against modern humans she can literally just claim immediate ownership of anything in the clocktower as the organisation used to run under her rule.

>>4897175
>Artoria is just Captain Britain
>Mordred is technically her boss
Wait, does this technically make Artoria a local guardian land spirit? But as the actual Landlord with Mordred ostensibly being preped to run the shop?

>>4897178
Artoria is retired but still has the keys to the kingdom.

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>>4897178
You might think of her as a treasurer of sorts now. Everything is in her vault, but she has abdicated and will probably be spending her days with her husband in her sister-in-law's cool castle in Germany.

>>4897179
She is the Kingdom, but with really nice legs. Just ask her husband Shirou.

>>4897180
Best ending for them. So long as we properly kill Basement Dweller Manaka. She'll just be a non degenerate version of the current Queen of England. Hehehe, its gonna be real fun hearing how she outs that bed of degeneracy.

>>4897182
Hearing? We'll be seeing it first-hand when we land on dragonback in front of Buckingham Palace with Mordred and watch as she tells the squatters to get out.

>>4897183
Poor guards, they're just toy soldiers for what is about to go down.

>>4897186
They're supposed to never leave their position while guarding the palace. We'll see how true that is when Alitheia roars.

>>4897190
If you think they're gonna move, your sorely mistaken. Attack dogs have a better chance of running. Those poor bastards are there because it is their life. They will shit their pants, but that is just another day in the Palace Guards.

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>>4897186
>>4897190
>>4897194
https://youtu.be/KfEqxp6tC-w

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>>4897194
>A castle-sized dragon lands in front of them and roars
>picrel tells them to vacate the premises, it's her palace now
>just another day in the Palace Guards.
Really?

>>4897195
I wonder if Artoria and Mordred would be impressed with the indoctrinated dedication they have, or disgusted.

>>4897199
You really don't know them. In fact.
>>4897195
Give me a moment, I need to find something.

>>4897190
Riding our dragon loli daughter to terrorize innocent soldiers [Pride]

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>>4897202
Would you prefer to have timechad Mordred murder them all?

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We need Mordred to send a d-mail back and rename Makiri Enterprises the Make a Wish foundation for all the stupid shit we're going to pull and have already done.

>>4897203
No, I would prefer to use the power of money and charisma to make the takeover smooth, bloodless, consensual and perfectly boring.

After making sure none of the supernatural or semi-supernatural agencies are going to stir shit up where it could have been avoided.

Idk why people seem to favour casual violence so much.

>>4897207
Not retarded, seeing as magical glowies only need to land one solid hit on someone we care about for it to be a problem for us.

Until Kur is up and running

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL4WL4h_I1A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoKi_ZTxJNA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfjIJ5jmWlQ

>>4897207
>consensual
Do you really think the queen, those in power in general, and their most loyal supporters can be convinced to give up their power and privileges just like that? No matter what we do, we cannot convince 100% of the people. Some amount of coercion will have to be involved to oust the last hold-outs.

>After making sure none of the supernatural or semi-supernatural agencies are going to stir shit up where it could have been avoided.
The magical glowies will not take this lying down. We are everything they oppose, and they don't play around. As the nigger said, one solid hit is all it'll take to make this painful. We'll have to wage a war in the shadows to defang them, and that can't be bloodless.

>Idk why people seem to favour casual violence so much.
Violence is, and has always been, our last resort. But it is necessary sometimes.

>>4897216
The Queen herself, probably pretty simple. The rest of her family of degenerates? That is where the issues are.

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Because Lizzie = Drake, and Drake dabbed on pissimpdon, there is a non zero chance the crown jewels of England contain his mechachad core, among other powerful mystic codes.

Might make for a decent boss fight if Artoria doesn't just toggle it off.

>>4897221
Are you implying we let them get all riled up as final bosses entering their ultimate form, starting a monologue on how they will not lose, then shut them off mid sentence? Because I am right now.

>>4897224
Several of the mystic codes could have been acquired abroad and after the fall of Camelot, so she probably can't toggle everything off. Still a pretty big kneecapping though.

>>4897225
Between us, Artoria, Shirou, Morgan, and Mordred. Anything they have left will be borderline useless.

>>4897216
We don’t need to convince 100%, and it would amount to mindrape if we did.

Financial power should be not an issue if it wasn’t until now.
Political power doesn’t require absolute majority, and we have enough tools and appealing enough vision at our disposal to be easily able to secure that even if Mordred herself doesn’t reveal herself until final act.

Magical world needs to be navigated first regardless and their preference for secrecy will help to keep it from spilling out.

>Violence is, and has always been, our last resort.
Arrogant posturing that invites it is not how you avoid resorting to it.

Anyway all this is premature at this point. Need to resolve this cataclysm before we set another into motion.

>>4897225
I guess a good justification to bring the Indian gods as opposing force? Along with Egyptians.

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>>4897239
>Political power doesn’t require absolute majority
It would be pretty easy to get a Prime Minister of our choice elected, yeah. Charisma would be enough to clown any modern politician. Mordred doesn't want to be Prime Minister. She is the rightful King of Britain, and the germoid usurper will not willingly relinquish the throne.

>Arrogant posturing
It's only arrogant posturing if you don't have the force to back it up. They WILL get killed if they decide to fight, so we need to make sure they don't. For their own good, not ours. And fear is a useful tool to get those who aren't willing to switch allegiance to run.

Random example, but remember the thugs in the alley during our date with Sakura and Medea. We didn't give a nice speech on man's inherent goodness to try and convince them. We put the fear of Raiga in them. We can't convince everyone, and we can't just ignore all those we can't convince. Some of them will get in the way.

>>4897246
It’s going to be much easier to get the queen to abdicate, or smoother to remove her by force, if the political power is in our hands, or in hands of someone loyal to us.


And arrogance is still arrogance no matter if you have power to back it with.
Although I guess it is rather close to “true Shinji” so there is the roleplaying aspect to consider.

>>4897256
I think I understand now where the misunderstanding is. Landing on dragonback and ousting the pretender won't be our first move. That would be stupid. It's how you get a bloody civil war in your hands. It will be our LAST move, the capstone of our efforts to neutralize the glowies and win as much support as we can through other means.

>>4896923
>Theorize about what happened. (Time travel happened because of Tiamat`s position at time of granting concept as Beast. You time traveled to the moment of her fight with Marduk and upon defeating him either new Timeline or Lostbelt was created but it is first time something like that happened so you are not sure)
>Promise Tiamat to solve this mystery together with her after you are done with world ending situations and post-war clean up
>Tell Tiamat she won`t be left behind anymore
>Take Tiamat`s hand, and have her come to the real world with you.
Interesting.

>>4897239
With knowledge of the future we can collapse the global economy during the GFC to our own benefit, bankrupt companies and collapse currencies.

Then swoop in and save the people with helicopter money.

Niggercattle love gibs.

>>4896923

sounds good >>4897266

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>>4896923
Support >>4897266
Time for mommy Tiamat to see her children's world for the first time.

>>4896923
switching>>4897106
to this>>4897266

>>4897286
I'd prefer to avoid actively exacerbating issue since doing so would mean deliberately making life worse for billions and pushing people into hands and lives of criminals out of desperation.
Even if we wouldn't care if some nameless mobs die for the greater good, our allies would once they found out, their reaction no doubt even worse if we kept such a plan secret from them.

Regarding GFC it would be quite enough to make a name for ourselves as one of the doomsayers who prophesize untenability of the system, hedge our positions accordingly and then gobble up what hopeful assets will be up for grabs in the fallout while at the same time providing an outreach with magnanimous "told you so" undertones and promise of a less dishonest and corrupt alternative for the future.

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>>4897123
This artist is pretty good.

>>4897266
>>4896923
+1

Also, someone said something about gilgamesh with blue hair, so i did this, its shit.

>>4897323
Nah, that's pretty good.

I just realized we're going to have two Tiamats when the alternate timeline comes over for Shinji's dick.

>>4897323
looks like a magi character

>>4897266
>>4896923
Supporting this.

Giv a moment I got 2 stories ready to deploy.

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>>4897359
ENTER

>>4897362
Yumigawa becomes a drink:
https://0bin.net
/paste/r3Fn21Hc#jLgv9M5QL0UulyziWoe2BBldofh00XPUeUcmDR+jBlm
ID series: 001 Mashu
https://0bin.net
/paste/N2QPcHt+#dEq04jIqQlr1XaUHzVwGbT5wkbd-cZrisei60MR9sGI
There we go.
Got the Mash story done.
Saberfaces should be easy in comparison.

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>>4897365
Mashu could have always been emulating her new husband I guess?

>>4897366
Still can't believe Nasu did this.
Madlad.

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>>4897371
Best part of LB6 desu senpai

>>4897373
What is it with Japan and loving getting cucked?
No wonder they will dissappear.

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>>4897388
soulless broken bugmen whose spirit died when emperor cuck surrendered in ww2

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>>4897365
Circe`s story was really sweet.
And for the second one
>Saber got down on his knees
Classical. Alberich kneeling moments never get old.
>>4897388
Sign of heavily decaying society.

>>4897390
A cool twist.
I'm just lucky I never once cared about Mash.
Felt too much like yet another Sakura retread to me. It feels like Nasu is desperate to make people like Sakura so he's written her over and over as separate characters and then fucks up with the stuff like this.

>>4897391
I think the next one will be set during Alberich and Sabers first fight and have Saber finish the fight by disobeying her braindead Master.

>>4897388
>>4897390
They need therapy badly.

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>>4897406
they need more nukes

>>4897407
The first two got them to this point, and until this woke plague is purged, I'd rather they not die. Also Japanese girls are hot.

>>4897408
Nah.
Japan always was super fucked up.

>>4897407
At least this LB gave us Barghest and Oberon.

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>>4897415
dog girls are always best

>>4897410
I mean, true, but they are the right kind of crazy that keeps the woke parasites out. And that is the best thing we can hope for. Get more no s(0)y white American men over there, and it should even out if they keep feminism from getting out of hand.

>>4897416
If I spray him with window cleaner, would he get off the window?

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>>4897419
could you not disrespect his highness?

>>4897399
I feel that at this point they are just capitalizing on FGO`s decline. They are just doing that in very japanese way.
>>4897405
You can make it into rather good ending.
Have Sweet`s Solid Snake order Saber to eat Alberich after Saber defeats him in a few seconds due to difference between her Instinct and his Mind's Eye (True). Snake burns two command spells to force Saber to do it as she thinks Alberich in Angra 2.0 but after eating him she uses her new power to sever contract, kills Snake and runs into Emiyas soon after.
Together they roll over everyones else in that war or something like that.

>>4897421
Could he not smudge my fucking windows when I have the lights on?

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>>4897426
pls learn canon

>>4897417
You are right kind of stupid if you believe that.
Degeneracy serves as no barrier to encroached upon freedoms.
Just distractions for the masses as freedom is taken.

>>4897428
Maybe, but workplace self destruction and brutal work schedules plus isolation of those that don't partake in it do keep them out.

>>4897427
I am going to insult butterfly fairy man if I damn well please. I don't get to make bug jokes that often. And the Wiki sucks ass.

>>4897431
Japan is a dying society.
The carcass of America's bitch will be picked over by the vultures.

>>4897434
Long as the hold out long enough, red white and blue vultures get there first.

>>4897433
The Wiki is bad source.
Oberon is based.
The girl he's telling to shut the fuck up is one of the biggest cunts in Fate.
Very pathetic villain.

>>4897436
Funny way to say blue and white vulture.

>>4897437
So he's based?
>>4897438
Hey, we're repainting the streets red, don't leave out the biggest color.

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>>4897365
Based vorefren.

>>4897388
Not a nip-only problem, sadly. Just take a look at the similar US degeneracy. They are a broken people, but they're not alone in that.

>>4897399
>Felt too much like yet another Sakura retread to me
It's weird how many of Sakura's traits Mashu has, yeah. Especially calling Gudako Senpai for no real reason. But having her cuck Gudako with a lion? WTF was Nasu thinking? I feel sorry for the Mashufags.

>>4897437
It will be even better if it turns out he's a Zepia larp as the evidence suggest.

>>4897440
Yes.
I just told you.
Based Fairy man.

>>4897444
I praise the Fairy King's Trips.

>>4897442
>It's weird how many of Sakura's traits Mashu has, yeah.
He won't stop rewriting Sakura as different characters.
AI Sakura
BB
Sakura 5
Mash
Parvati
Kama

That's 10.

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>>4897446
I'm glad Ufotable's Heaven's Feel exists now. But

>Parvati
>Kama
That's not rewriting Sakura as different characters. That's a malevolent demon possessing and breaking the real Sakura, and a second victim, a god, being caught up in the aftermath.

>>4897449
Who thought this was a good idea?

>>4897451
At a guess, the same guy who thought MashuxLion was a good idea.

>>4897453
I write vore fanfic and even I'm confused by why Nasu is like this.
Fucking japs.

>>4897453
to be fair, the lion dude has more character than ritsuka

Can we destroy Chaldea in at least one timeline?

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>>4897455
At least we'll always have what he wrote before he completely lost his marbles, and what Takeuchi drew before gacha money made him too lazy to bother.

>>4897461
We HAVE to save that Sakura from Parvati. And then free all the other pseudos. We will become Chaldea's worst nightmare.

>>4897461
lostbelt safari soon

>>4897461
Yeah, we should deal with them.

>>4897461
Is it hunting season after Not Harry Potter?

>>4896923
>>4897266
Support

>>4897462
That's true. He can't change the past.
>>4897463
I'm down for saving everyone.
>>4897464
Anyone worthwhile to take from the LBs other than Barghest and Oberon?

>>4897473
We'll be taking their trees.

Depending on the quality of the words as zoos or something we can hang them like baubles on Chadryssl

>>4897473
LB Morgan has an Albion as a pet too. Albion is a retard, but Alitheia could use another subject.

Fairyland is one Lostbelt we won't be hanging from our tree though.

>>4897473
>>4897475
>>4897477
We can also loot some mechachads.

>>4897478
Can we Concept them with Gatai? I want magic Gurren Lagan.

>>4897479
tendency to job increases exponentially with size

>>4897480
Shit, its that inverse of awesome rule? We can just break that with a Concept. But then we might need them to be Mega Zords.

Amaterasu is next right?

>>4897473
>Anyone worthwhile to take from the LBs other than Barghest and Oberon?
Asha

>>4897486
No, we need to leave her for last. Just in case something goes wrong back in time again. Or we accidentally a third branch.

>>4897491
Either she lets us concept Tamamo in peace or she eats us.
Either way it's a win-win for me.

>>4897501
Yeah we actually die when eaten, we aren't Alberich running on Kenny rules.....kinda.

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>>4897486
First we'll have Touko make us a doll, which, with her A+ item con and immaculate concept should be an incredible base material.

Then, we'll concept it with "yojimbo" and offer it as a gift for Tamamo, saying we'll make her a mirror of equal or better quality when we have a suitable base material. After seeing just how fucking stronk a simple shieldbearer concept was for Medea's new Adamas Volumen it'll be worth trying to use a higher quality base material.

From there, she can either reciprocate the gift and item con up a no ability but high quality mirror which we can then concept, or we'll simply wait until we can source one.

Then, we'll offer to concept her. We'll be forced to deal with Ammy then. She should already have a pretty good opinion of us, so as long as we don't go full retard we should be fine.

When the chance arrives, I'd probably suggest Eclipse for Tamamo, to ensure she is never swallowed by her future self, and to enable her to scale in power proportionately to Ammy.

Then, because giving Ammy a truth condom would help protect against Manaka summoning another tail and using it against us with some of Ammy's authority in future. I'd probably suggest something like Temperance for Ammy, to draw upon her Bodhisattva nature/aspect and help elevate her to high cosmic tier, without fucking up her mind or using an overly powerful concept. This should then further feedback loop and scale Tamamo up as well with Eclipse.

If we leave this room we risk the plot side tracking us so it's better to just resolve what we can in this one sitting.

>>4897489
imagine the smell

>>4897489
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Indian_Lostbelt
>Mash decides to see Asha a final time before the Lostbelt disappears.[21] Asclepius disappears after giving medicine to a boy for his mother. Meanwhile, Ritsuka and Mash tell Asha about the distorted Yuga cycles, including what she had forgotten. They leave unable to tell her the Lostbelt will soon disappear. Asha cries in her sleep, thinking about the family she can no longer remember.[22]
dw anon, we won't let her world get erased. And we'll be fast enough to save her family too.

Holy shit, Chaldea is a supervillain organization

>>4897505
We get tiger dojos.
We're fine.
We've been eaten by Gorgon's hairsnakes before in a dead end.
>>4897489
I wonder if Vritra would be extra protective of Asha because her name is Vritra's concept.
Either way her fight with God Arjuna will be legendary.

>>4897512
Yeah, I know, I made a joke that was more Ironic than I intended, and then couldn't be bothered to rewrite for a joke. I had to commit to the bit.

>>4897510
wdym sakurafren

stabilizing her area means having a subcontinent of india existing alone in a BLEACHED world, which would then subsume it (or not, idk what happens if we take the tree). You'd choose the Lostbelts over Panhuman History?

>>4897510
Why am I getting that evil organization from Kingdom Hearts vibes from this?

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>>4897518
Xehanort did absolutely nothing wrong and is in fact (you)

>>4897519
Blast, HOW DID YOU REALIZE MY DECEPTION?!

>>4897516
No, as the nigger said in >>4897475 the plan has always been to grab the lostbelts and hang them from Chadgrassil like baubles. They'll be like mini-worlds, stabilized and connected to our own through our tree.

Those that we decide to keep and fix, of course.

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>>4897510
And this is one of the completion rewards for LB4.
>https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Family_Portrait
>>4897516
Actually, Lostbelts are all as large as the entire world.
They are just fighting for supremacy over who gets to keep their texture.

>>4897521
We can probably fix most of what's wrong with them too.

>>4897525
A trophy of the people erased. Exactly what an evil genius would hang over his office.

>>4897526
We certainly can, but we won't want to fix what's wrong with all of them. Fairyland gets purged, for example.

>>4897521
Well yes, but that's not an option that Eggplant and Co. have, is it?

Either they delete the lost belts and have a little boohoo woe is me cry about it, or give up and let one of the LBs take over as the primary history and texture of the world.

>>4897534
Yes, Chaldea has no means to not erase the Lostbelts. But reread what they do and what they tell the little girl right there at the end. They KNOW they'll have to erase her, they don't tell her that, and they even do what they can to make her cry too!

>>4896923
>>4896948
Switching to/supporting >>4897266

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>>4896923
>"My concept has chanced both you and possibly the world somehow. I will come back later after i stop Manaka and solve this mystery together - try to understand your new abilities while I am gone."
>Have Sakura just return you to the real world.

Tiamat can't come to the real world yet, she needs to experiment her abilities first.
This timeline cannot be altered, but history changed. Therefore, spacetime fixed itself as hard as it could, making this reality as similar as the last one - a butterfly effect.

Also, the fact that Rhon cannot remember the events inside the conceptual world is probably due to the Nature of Truth - only Shinji can comprehend it (for now). Anyone else who tries to do this gets forcefully ejected (depending on the level of comprehension, the punishment differs).

The butterfly effect may have happened, but those connected to Tiamat still have lingering memories. This is just like that one time we erased Roa, but a whole lot bigger (instead of erasing something from the root, we added/changed it).

That's my theory at least.

>>4897534
You'd think they'd stop making friends they know they will have to erase from existence after the first two COSMOS DENIALs.

Tally?

>>4897601

>>4896923

>Hug Tiamat one last time and have Sakura take you back out to the real world
>>4896931

>Theorize about what happened. (Time travel happened because of Tiamat`s position at time of granting concept as Beast. You time traveled to the moment of her fight with Marduk and upon defeating him either new Timeline or Lostbelt was created but it is first time something like that happened so you are not sure)
>Promise Tiamat to solve this mystery together with her after you are done with world ending situations and post-war clean up
>Tell Tiamat she won`t be left behind anymore
>Take Tiamat`s hand, and have her come to the real world with you.
>>4897266
>>4897287
>>4897294
>>4897300
>>4897323
>>4897359
>>4897471
>>4897537

>"My concept has chanced both you and possibly the world somehow. I will come back later after i stop Manaka and solve this mystery together - try to understand your new abilities while I am gone."
>Have Sakura just return you to the real world.
>>4897539

While I write this update, if anybody has Carnival suggestions, please post them.

>>4897711
Oni shenanigans

>>4897711
Shinji makes everyone cosplay as video game characters to laugh at them, but everything goes wrong (or right)

>>4897711
Speedrunning Camelot with Shirou

>>4897711
Shinji becomes a vtuber
Oni Cure (Magical Girl Shuten and Ibaraki) vs Phantasmoon [aka Magical Girl Arcueid]
Shinj gets revealed for smash

>>4897711
Shinji is on a trip to the Clocktower alone, so everyone hangs out at his house. Someone busts into his room and tries one of his fancy clothes and pretends to be Shinji, leading to the entire cast doing the same in their own impressions of Shinji.

Then Shinji arrives early and catches the army of Shinjis.

Source - That episode in Teen Titans where everyone dresses like Robin.

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>>4897711
Parvati tries to kidnap and possess Sakura Prime.

>>4897711
What is Enhance doing with Shuten's sister up in the Oni village? And is it spoilers to ask for what happened after we left past Tiamat?
>>4897740
Funny way of saying commit suicide.

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>>4897743
>Funny way of saying commit suicide.
That's exactly what makes it a good Carnival idea.

>>4897711
Seconding these>>4897725
>>4897728
>>4897731
>>4897734
>>4897740

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>>4897711
Our Sakura wakes up in the Regular 5th grail war. Hijinks Ensue.
>>4897740
Neat.

Why do you guys insist on playing a game where you think protagonists and good characters are actually evil monsters?
Is this the same reason why you were playing Sweet's quest?

>>4897711
Second parts of those already done but still have some material for continuation and rest of the list that didn`t make the cut last time.
Godbusters with Shinji, Chiyome, Illya and Alcides.
Shinji as a villain in Bond-like story. Criminal mastermind with financial empire.
Tiamat finally gets to take care of the children.
Medusa and few other Servants got a bit drunk and started night street race it got a bit too flashy and made it into world news.
After grabbing power of Truth Manaka gets dragged into her own Carnival story and have to endure the silliness.
Day off of Manaka`s Servants as they look at how we are having fun and they can`t.
Spaghetti western story with Shinji and Billy.
Sakura`s adventure as she follows Shinji without him knowing about it to watch and cheer for him during all those Bajiquan tournaments.

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>>4897758
Elaborate, SCHUM.

>>4897711
Jinako and Okki team up to design a game for Makiri Enterprises
Beaky, Abby, and Betty play in the woods with a cardboard box i have the image ready if this wins
Oura tries to swallow a can of konbini sake. It goes about as well as you'd expect.
Ichiban Kasuga vs Taiga Fujimura (no Alaya buffs)
A day in the life of Alaya (anons in control of the ultimate schizo hivemind)
The necoarcs have fun with the kids
Shinji shoots the shit with Takeuchi and Nasu

>>4897761
>>4897764

can't be arsed to list all the whining about FGO in this thread or the previous ones, or mischaracterisation of the characters in it but it really goes beyond fucked up to keep wanting to see those villains, or caricatures of characters, drawn out just to make them suffer.

I can sort of understand it with the pedo QM/protag but bullying characters from gacha over fanon is taking it too far.

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>>4897758
>protagonists and good characters are actually evil monsters?
First off, nobody thinks that Ritsuka is anything other than a camera to gawk at things that occur around them.
"Good" as an alignment means very little, because it's just how you see yourself. F/SN Gilgamesh sees himself as Chaotic Good, and he blinds Illya and then tears her heart out while she's still alive to go ahead with his plan of near-genocide.
Chaldea is no stranger to employing self-admitted evil monsters to help them either though.
Case in point, Gilles de Rais or Kiara.

Also, if you're talking about the fact that Chaldea go about destroying Lostbelts, the problem is that the story still requires them to speak with supporting (non-servant) characters, which ends with them befriending people who they have every intention of killing (effectively). This is typical psychopathy on the part of Chaldea.
In FGO, the good characters are evil and most of the evil characters are usually just trying to get revenge for an injustice commited against them.

>>4897767
So are you playing it because you roleplay a psychopath?
I hope you're not at least paying for it then.

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>>4897766
So, we just shouldn't talk about all the objectively evil shit that the Chaldeans do?

>>4897773
...What?
How did you possibly get that from what I just said?
I'm saying that the CANON BEHAVIOUR of Chaldea when it comes to the inhabitants of Lostbelts is bordering on psychopathy.
They are befriending people while knowing that they will have to erase them.
They go out of their way to save people, even though they will only end up erasing those people in the end anyway.

>>4897767
>First off, nobody thinks that Ritsuka is anything other than a camera to gawk at things that occur around them.
People got very mad at me when I called them a self insert

>>4897775
Like what? Destroying branches of universe to sustain theirs? You're already planning to do the same, except with less justification because they apparently do it for survival while you want to do it for powerups.

Obviously you can talk about whatever you want to believe but when you ask for fanfic that takes a story warped away from its intention to satisfy your indignance it comes across as petty.

>>4897775
Honestly, discount the lostbelts and shit, its implied that ritsuka don't really summon every servant, only a small amount of then, so a chaldea can easily never have summoned the fucked up servants.
The lostbelts are just suffering bait, also i'm sure there will be some bullshit to save who died on the end of arc 2.
>>4897783
I wish canon ritsuka had the personality of riyo's or at least one of the mangas, fuck nasu and his idea of having a blank slate character.

test

>>4897781
I'm not talking about the quest. Here you can obviously write them as however you feel. But if you see their behaviour as so monstrous, why are you still playing their game? (assuming you haven't dropped it in the meantime).

That said, it doesn't feel psychopathic at all to actually go and help people when they see them suffering before them, even if rationally they should discard anything they see as wholly irrelevant.
At least such is my understanding. I don't actually play the gacha.

>>4897789
>they apparently do it for survival while you want to do it for powerups.
...apparently?
You mean... you don't know how lostbelts work?
Chaldea's world has been destroyed already.
Everyone on the planet has been killed by the Alien God.
Their world is gone.
The entire surface reduced to a white desert of sand.
The Alien God affixed the Fantasy Trees to the planet which contain alternate worlds, and Chaldea infiltrates and destroys those worlds to prevent them from taking over their husk of a world on the off-chance that they can still bring their world back.

>>4897794
Cool, signal works again.
>>4897711
seconding these as well
>>4897759
And these
>>4897765

>>4897797
WhatIs I am betting that's Sweets.

>>4897792
Chaldea summons Kiara, which is confirmed in Ooku, so that's at least one Evil Servant, who has tried to destroy the planet TWICE.

>>4897796
I'm not talking about the quest either, anon.
This is just what Chaldea do.
Also
>implying I still play FGO.
I just read the translations at this point for the lore.

>>4897803
Isnt Kiara one of nasu's favorite servants?
Also, Arc 2 would be a lot better if it was like post apocalypse FF6, where the main characters want to fuck up the main villain more for revenge than anything, a angry ritsuka that got fucked hard even after saving the world would be interesting.

>>4897797
Well that does sound rather fucked up when you put it that way.

>>4897803
>I just read the translations at this point for the lore.
But why, if the lore is so fucked up that you can't even take it at face value? Why not disregard it entirely then?

>>4897806
Nasu just loves his slut whore servants, and Kiara is the pinnacle of that.
Medb is also one of his favourites, iirc.
>angry ritsuka
Sorry, s/he's not allowed to show any emotion.

>>4897808
>Well that does sound rather fucked up when you put it that way.
It's VERY fucked up, yes.
You know you're in a tight spot when the leader of the villain group has a better plan to save the world than you do, and it's partly because of your idiocy that his plan gets ruined.
>Why not disregard it entirely then?
Because some of the stuff is still interesting.

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>>4897789
>You're already planning to do the same, except with less justification because they apparently do it for survival while you want to do it for powerups.
What?

>its intention
Here's the thing: Intention doesn't mean shit in a story. Only what is actually written. Sweets did not intend to write his protagonist as a retarded jobber, (though he did intend him to be a psychopath pedo), but that's what he wrote. And the Chaldeans may not have been intended as villainous, but it is. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the writers who wrote a shitty story and didn't think the implications through.

>>4897792
Yeah, the whole conversation in previous threads was about the evil servants they summon and trust, the pseudoservants being horrific, and Parvati who is even worse than the others. Their behavior on the Lostbelts is something we didn't talk about much before this thread.

>>4897796
>That said, it doesn't feel psychopathic at all to actually go and help people when they see them suffering before them
All these people have to die. The Chaldeans know that. A real human would avoid getting attached after the first couple worlds they had to wipe out. And a real human, when faced with a little girl who's about to die would never, ever tell them "oh, btw, your family got erased and you've forgotten about them." That's psychopathic behavior.

>>4897808
Well, these are our only two options. Either we try to make sense of the lore, or we discard it entirely. Personally, I used to go for the latter before this quest. Nothing after Extra existed for me. But you can't say that people who try to make sense of it are wrong. Or that we should stop thinking and accept that shit at face value.

>>4897816
>Nothing after Extra existed for me
After? You mean that Extra was actually enjoyable to you, Mike ?

>>4897816
Intentions do matter and if you reinvent incompetence as malice you are being the one spreading actual malice around.

>Sweets did not intend to write his protagonist as a retarded jobber, (though he did intend him to be a psychopath pedo)
Which of these do you think are worse for his story? I'd say the intent is much more damning.

>A real human
A real human can't turn off emotions as easily or choose to not get attached. That would be psychopathic behaviour. Just as lying coldly is more psychopathic than a misguided attempt at honesty.

>>4897836
>A real human can't turn off emotions as easily or choose to not get attached. That would be psychopathic behaviour. Just as lying coldly is more psychopathic than a misguided attempt at honesty.
They literally told a little girl that the reason she feels so lonely is because all of her family has already been erased from existence, so she breaks down in tears.
And then they erase her from exixstence too.

>>4897840
that sounds more like autism than psychopathy desu

>>4897843
I would cry like a bitch and hug her.

>>4897834
"After and including" didn't flow as well

>Mike
What?

>>4897836
Feel free to disagree with my interpretation. Ideally, provide some evidence as I have. But saying they are incompetent is just as much of a headcanon as saying they are evil when the writer didn't intend for them to be neither.

>>4897843
>that sounds more like autism than psychopathy desu
This is the fourth world they erased.
They keep getting attached to people, and then erasing them. It's messed up.
Imagine if you met somebody and befriended them, and they turned out to be an alien sent to Earth to destroy the planet.
They always knew they would have to destroy the planet, and just decided to befriend you anyway.
No, your friendship with them won't make them reconsider destroying the planet for an instant.
How do you feel?

>>4897845
fair

>>4897848
I can't imagine that scenario, honestly.
Except maybe if I was convinced I'd be able to eventually undo everything that led to this series of events, like restoring the world to state where nothing of this happened.

What in getting from the conversation is FGO ethics are questionable. I'd that what the argument is about?

As for Autist wasn't your argument before on what's good or evil is torturing one person is worst then wiping a bunch of people. That's what was said during the HF Sakura vs Shinji evil argument.

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Chaldea is in a horrible situation, and its not like they can afford to deny assistance, even from evil servants.
Also, servants negative traits are heavily downplayed in fgo. Something like Atalanta's seething hate for Jeanne over what happened to Jack would get resolved in a fight and a chat after quickly, or example.
The Lostbelt stuff got weird after the first 2. I get befriending the locals in them and feeling guilty afterwards, but you'd think they'd try to stop that from then on.

>>4897888
Yeah, and some Servants just get completely retconned like my boy Avicebron.
>Doesn't feel bad at all about what he did to his Master in Apocrypha
>In FGO, he suddenly feels so bad about what he did that he can remember it even in other summons.

You start to think about what could've happened in Tiamat's Conceptual World, yet the more you think about things, the less likely it seems to be the case that the world you visited was a Conceptual World at all, no... but... it can't have been that you really did go back in time, can it? Tiamat is unaware of any sort of change in the past, and if you did change the past like that, wouldn't you have ended up creating some sort of time paradox? Well Tiamat does have Independent Manifestation, so... could it be that in attempting to enter her Conceptual World, you instead traveled into the past? To the moment of her battle with Marduk? In that case, then... what exactly could you defeating Marduk with Tiamat have done? If you truly did travel back to the moment of the fight, then why hasn't the world changed? Or... could it be that only this world hasn't changed? That somewhere out there, there's a world where Tiamat reigned supreme over the planet instead of the gods that would have replaced her? You wonder just what would become of such a world, but... it's clearly not the world you're currently in. No, this world is one that cannot be changed by interventions into the past, and as it would appear, even your own interventions are no different to that rule. This timeline is still set, unchanging and unyielding to that which would attempt to alter it.

But... could this really have happened? Tiamat has still been changed, hasn't she? Could you just be overthinking things? To believe all conceptual worlds to function the same would be a terribly ignorant assumption after all. In some conceptual worlds, there is absolutely nothing that could represent a danger to you. In Rhon's case, the world was being erased as you attempted to reach the center. In Obeithion's and Mordred's cases, you were at risk from the Dragon held within the two of them and in some cases, there was simply nothing other than the conceptual core of the person that you were modifying. Conceptual Worlds are clearly things that don't align to any sense of classification, being vastly different for each person with one, but... you can't help but believe that there was more to what happened with Tiamat than a simple Conceptual World being altered. No, there is definitely something more at play here, and while you theorize that time travel was involved in some manner, you simply can't know for a fact just what exactly occurred. Whatever happened, you can't be sure. You doubt that any such attempt at changing the past has been made on such a scale, after all. Sure, some people with the ability to travel in time may have attempted such a thing, but the changes they sought to bring forth would've been smaller in comparison to what you may have done. If you truly traveled to a time before the genesis of the world as you know it and changed it, then the only possible person you can think of to compare what you just did to would be... Goetia himself? Goetia needed the combined total of all the magical energy that would ever exist in the era of humanity to achieve such a thing though, so could you really have managed to reach that state entirely by accident?

Tiamat continues to look at you as you think deeply on the matter of what may have occurred within her internal world, and she looks just a little bit concerned for you as you strain your mind trying to take into account the possibilities that lay before you. If such a timeline exists... does that mean that somewhere out there, there exists a Tiamat who you made a promise to answer the questions of? If she exists, that does mean that you are... obligated to find her, and to answer her questions as to what you truly are... doesn't it?

"Tiamat... I don't know what it might have been yet, but... I believe that something may have happened when I gave you your concept that has... ended up creating another timeline entirely separate from this one, though... whether it exists or not right now, I can't say." A timeline in which Tiamat was the supreme deity of the world would diverge to such a great deal from the norm that it may have already been pruned, kept as a potentiality that cannot exist and banished from the tree of time.

"I understand. Finding out just what may have happened is my responsibility as well, Shinji. All I can tell is that something... important occurred a very long time ago, but... my memory is too foggy to remember anything else." There's no doubt about it, you'll definitely need to uncover the true meaning of what you did within Tiamat's world at some point, you know that.

"Well, I don't imagine that whatever ended up happening is going to be an immediate threat to us or our world, not like Manaka is... so whatever the application of Progress may have done in the past, it's just going to have to be something left until after we've resolved this war with Manaka, OK?" You would really love to find out the truth behind all of this, but... what with Manaka threatening reality itself on every single level, you... can't really say it's something you can focus on at all right now. You take Tiamat's hand as you look her in the eye and explain your thoughts to her, and the woman nods.

She clutches your hand tightly as she begins to speak. "Well, I am... curious as to what may have been wrought by your actions. I will... endeavor to attempt to remember what happened in the past that I can't recall right now, but... I do not know if I will meet with success." Tiamat says apologetically, very obviously upset with her inability to remember something that in her own words she believes is important.

"It's... not a worry, Tiamat. If you can't remember what happened, there's nothing to be done about it. It's just..." You sigh. "Well, things ended up working out alright here, didn't they? There's nothing to worry about right now, is there?" You smile at the woman, before you take a deep breathe. "But... there is just one more thing. I'm... not going to leave you here alone, Tiamat. You're coming with me!" The woman looks stunned as you look to the sky. "Sakura! Get us out of here" You yell at the girl who owns the world you are within.

"OK! Hold on then, Onii-chan!" Sakura's cheerful voices echoes about you, before a large white portal opens up to the side of you. You can't see through the white portal, but you know that it can't lead either you or Tiamat anywhere dangerous, so... you take a step through it, Tiamat's fingers still entwined with your own, and you leave Sakura's inner world with the woman who is bound to her following you at your side.

Light quickly returns to you as you take a look at Sakura, who is looking at Tiamat and you with happy eyes. Almost immediately after the two of you leave Sakura's inner world, the girl runs up to the two of you and swings her arms around the both of you. "I've wanted to see you and talk with you for the longest time, Tiamat!" Sakura happily speaks with the mother goddess who is responsible for granting her so much of her power, and Tiamat quickly returns Sakura's hug, as do you. Being so close to Sakura, you realize something different about her powers, but... whether that is the extent of the changes brought about through the application of Progress, you can't tell.

[Status Updated!]

"Yes, I've wanted to speak to you in... a setting in which it was possible for a while as well, Sakura." Tiamat's voice is quiet as she looks upon the girl who hosts her for what is likely the first time. Or at least the first time she has seen Sakura properly with her own eyes.

The three of you continue the hug for a few minutes, until it reaches a natural stopping point, and you all break off from the hug, Sakura looks at you with concern in her eyes after she does, and gives you a small smile. "Onii-chan... there are bags under your eyes." She has a gentle look on her face as she reminds you of just how tired you are. Your body might be superhuman, but... even you aren't immune to the rigor of fatigue. "You should think about getting some rest soon."

"Yes, Sakura is right..." Medea joins in now. "While I could use my magic to duplicate the effects of a night's sleep for you in an instant, even that would be an inferior alternative to an actual time to rest your body and mind." She also sounds concerned, and then Tiamat grabs your arm too, looking you in the eyes as she does.

"Yes, your two lovers are correct, Shinji. As your mother... I..." She pauses for a moment for some reason, before she shakes her head. "I... just think that you shouldn't push yourself too hard. You won't be doing the world any favors tomorrow if you collapse out of fatigue when you're trying to save it!" She takes on the tone of a mother warning her child about staying up all night. With all these women telling you that you should go to bed, it's hard to resist doing what they want, but...

>They're right, you should go to bed.
>No, you need to go and see somebody else. (Who?)
>No, you still need to grant Tamamo a concept before you can sleep.
>No, you need to do something else before allowing yourself to sleep. (What?)
>Write-in...

>>4897903
>No, you still need to grant Tamamo a concept before you can sleep

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>Independent Manifestation: A [WisUp!]
>This skill grants Sakura the ability to manifest wherever she wishes within temporal reality. Though changing the past of the unbranching timeline is impossible, this skill can easily facilitate travel to adjacent worlds. Many of the original aspects of this skill have been nullified, and Sakura is capable of freely making use of it without the destruction of humanity occurring as a result. In addition, at this rank, this skill is a declaration of Tiamat and Sakura's presence across Space-Time, and grants immunity to both erasure through Time Paradoxes as well as the imposition of instantaneous death.

>>4897908
I feel like we need to create 3 new treasures before talking to amaterasu

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>>4897903
>No, you still need to grant Tamamo a concept before you can sleep.

>>4897903
>No, you still need to grant Tamamo a concept before you can sleep.
And here we go.

>>4897912
Now sakura can follow her sister to other worlds to do shit.
>sakura and rin wander the multiverse to save sakuras and rins

>>4897912
Oops, tricked you, anon.
That's not what got changed this time!
Just forgot to change the WisUp!

It's kinda hard to argue if these three agree on something. But I get the feeling Shinji will be burning a lot of juice on plans tomorrow.

Does Satsuki need to be fed or is she good?
What about Flat, he didn't seem in immediate danger right?