"Then if you're truly fine with it... then... then I'll become your wielder." You ask Rhongomyniad to once more return to the form of a weapon for you. While you do think that the goddess deserves a chance to have a body of her own at some point, you can't just allow her to take the body of somebody else, especially not somebody that you care about. While you didn't spend an altogether great amount of time with Gray, you do still consider her one of your dear friends, and a person that deserves to be protected. Even if Rhongomyniad has apparently kept Gray's soul safe, you don't think that Gray deserves to be kept as a prisoner in her own body for the sake of a double agent. Rhongomyniad might not be able to understand the meaning of it, being a weapon that was created with the purpose to be wielded, but for humans and living beings, getting taken over by a foreign body is almost certainly the most terrifying thing that could possibly happen to them. Ironic, considering your origin in this world, but... you're a gestalt being anyway. You've always considered yourself as such. The original Shinji as he existed in Fate/Stay Night was never allowed to come to fruition as a result of the soul fusion that occurred ten years ago, resulting in you. But... you're really just posturing at this point about things. At the end of the day, there's a big difference between what occurred to you and Shinji out of the blue one day and what most Pseudo-Servants do.

"If that is what you wish, as the victor of our duel, I shall abide by your request, and return to my original form as the Spear of the End." Rhongomyniad sounds somewhat sad as she accepts your request, almost as if she doesn't truly wish to surrender the body she inhabits, and... you can't really blame her. For an existence that is likely only a few hours old to be granted a body and then willingly remove themselves from it is... kind of sad. Even if it was never her body in the first place, it still must be crushing for the Goddess. For somebody who only just learned how to process emotions to give up their ability to function in the form of a human like this.

You try to steady your heart, and steel your emotions. Now isn't the time to get sappy over the Goddess Rhongomyniad of all people, so you try to keep your voice clear as you speak once more. "However... without the form of a goddess, and limited to my own output, which is nothing compared to your own as it is now, I fear for my ability to maintain a defense as mighty as the veil of light that you graciously put into place to protect us all, Rhon." You give the goddess a sad smile, and she smiles back at you, mirroring the emotion. "Because of that, I need to warn my allies to prepare for Manaka's counterattack." You can't just leave the defenses wide open once again, not without putting everyone at terrible risk, but...

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"Oh, I wouldn't worry about that." The cheerful voice of a girl suddenly sounds out from behind you, and you nearly manage to trip as you rapidly spin to meet the source of the voice. "A counterattack, I mean." Smiling despite the gaping hole in her chest, is Manaka Sajyou. The one who wasn't corrupted by Angra Mainyu, but... how is she here?!

"How... did you leave that temple!? What about your bounded fields!" You turn to Taiga... or Alaya, you should say, who herself looks pale and sick at the mere sight of Manaka. "How have you managed to avoid a response from the Counter Force?!"

"It's an illusion, obviously." The girl sounds disappointed as you ask her the question. "If you want to learn more about them, you can always ask that worthless half-demon cowering among your allies about them." Manaka doesn't allow the happy smile adorning her face to leave it a single time, but... Rhongomyniad is clearly terrified of the girl, the always stoic Lion King raising a now manifested lance apprehensively at the conjured image of the girl. "Oh... Rhon, you really did wish to betray me in the end, didn't you? I never expected you to be loyal to me, but it's still a shame to see a dog bite the hand of the master who feeds it. You wouldn't exist without me, you ungrateful worm." Unexpectedly, the girl suddenly leans down and... grabs something from the floor? Wait a second... that's the bisected blade of the knight who stabbed through your body with his blade! It... didn't dematerialize with the knight! The weapon still oozes with your fresh blood, and Manaka smirks as she looks at it.

"If... you're just a conjured image, how the hell are you picking that up?" You ask the girl, scorn in your voice, and you only get an annoying smug smirk in response.

"Don't look so surprised, I'm not merely projecting a visual image of myself, Shinji... how did it feel, by the way? To feel the pain of being impaled through the chest?" The girl smiles as the blood soaked blade she holds disappears, vanished to... somewhere else.

"What the hell do you want!?" You ignore her ridiculous question, and yell at the girl, who doesn't stop smiling as she answers.

"Oh, I've already got what I wanted... You see, after seeing just what your blood could accomplish, I got to thinking. To create a being potentially above anything else on this planet merely through a ritual to summon a dragon... I realized that I no longer needed you." Manaka doesn't stop smiling at you. "Not personally, at least." The girl beyond gods can barely hold her laughter back, but then... then she turns her attention back to the Goddess Rhongomyniad, who doesn't seem to know what she should do. "As thanks for giving me what I need, I'll give you until tomorrow night before I bring this world to an end. My plans... well, let's say that I don't like having them peered into and revealed to others." Wait a second, she's... she's aware of the deadline that Nyarlathotep gave you?! Was she watching even then?! "But..." A page suddenly appears in her hand, and Rhongomyniad's eyes widen.

"No..." The Goddess breathes out quietly as she looks at the page in the hand of the girl.

"...I really don't appreciate you thinking I wasn't aware of your disloyalty from the start after all I did for you, Rhon." The page in Manaka's hand suddenly burns into ashes as it is consumed by black flames, before Manaka seems to just cut out of reality as she simply disappears.

You hear a clatter to your side as Rhongomyniad topples to the floor, catching herself with a knee before coughing up blood. "Rhon!" You rush to the side of the woman, who seems to be fading fast. Did... Did Manaka really just...?!

"Haaa~ This looks like it's the end for me, I'm afraid." Rhongomyniad states plainly. "The girl... The girl and the spear will be fine, but... this personality. I've only got a few minutes left, at most..." The Goddess is having trouble breathing. "My entire... Saint Graph was erased... It's only thanks to the..." She breathes in, suffering from a great deal of pain. "Compatibility... of the body I was in, that I... am still able to hold on like this at all." The Goddess collapses to the floor, toppling onto her back. "It's funny... to die after being fulfilled... You'll... save the world for me, won't you...?"

>"Yes. I will."
>"I'm not going to let you die!" (Apply a concept)
>Hug Rhongomyniad.
>"Everyone! Help me save her damn it!"
>Write-in...

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God dammit QM, making me feel bad for fucking Goddess Rhongomyniad.
So what now? I guess the wield Rhongo plan is a bust, we have to incarnate her to save her. What concept would work?

Cursed Day of Rest status: Manaka`s total victory.
>Apply a concept
Unconquerable, Inviolable, Unassailable, Endless or Resolute?

>>4882955
Oh, shit. This is why she allowed the fight with the knights. And we thought she was too busy getting fucked by Arthur...

>>4882974
I don't know. And I'm not sure even a mere incarnation would save her when her saint graph got deleted.

>>4882976
Not TOTAL victory. We got Gray and Monica back, at least. I think Endless is gonna kill us as a concept, but the rest could work. Interesting that applying a concept is bluetexted now. This has never happened before, has it?

>>4882977
>The fifth verse "I shall guide the way." takes an incredible amount of energy to recite, but as a trade-off, makes it possible for Shinji to utilize Truth to a far less restricted degree than usual, and allows for the easier application of far more powerful concepts.
Just ask Alítheia to become big girl for a minute.

>>4882979
So THAT's why it's bluetexted. I didn't remember that part. We've never applied a concept after reciting the full Aria before.

So NOW can we kill Manaka when we beat her?
Any one still want her to be redeemed? I certainly hope not.

>>4882958
I’m not in mood for tragic parting so let’s find a suitable concept.
First ideas for me were “defiance” or “existence” to counter the deletion, but I’m sure we can come up with something better.
Autonomy? Independence?

I’m a bit wary of inherently permanent concepts to not condemn her to unnatural perpetual existence like Ciel’s who doesn’t seem happy with it, even if a goddess is naturally better suited to this kind of thing.

>>4882982
The dead one can be put back down, don't know about her living half from this timeline.

>>4882982
I absolutely still want to save the unpierced currently angra’d Manaka.
As for the perforated one... maybe there is still a way to turn her to people.

>>4882982
Yeah, I see no reason at all to leave zombie Manaka alive. Or, well, undead.

>>4882985
We sever her connection to the Root and let her sister and father handle her now that she'll be a normal child. Letting her remain omnipotent is a recipe for disaster.

>>4882983
I think defiance fits well

>>4882991
Sounds like a plan, but how do we do that without accidentally {Delete} her too?

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Also, what could she do with our blood?
Are there any servants or magic that allows to control or kill someone with their blood?
I know she wants to use our truth blood to do SOMETHING. Whatis it?

>>4882996
We deleted Roa on purpose, and his connection to the Root was far flimsier. Severing the connection is far, far easier than unpersoning someone, and we'll have a better connection to work with now. It won't be hard at all

>>4882997
Storywise? A great way for the main villain to show up to fuck some shit up. Make our past mistakes costlier.

IC? Thanks, I hated it.

>>4883001
We knew we were necessary for her apotheosis somehow. She's either gonna make her own Alitheia to use as a substitute, or, less likely, use the blood directly.

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>>4882997
No

>>4882997
So our previous choice was an illusion.
What would have happened if we hadn't tried to betray Rhongo? We only got stabbed because of it.

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>>4883001
...

>Rhongomyniad: The Lance that Shines to the Ends of the World
Other interesting ideas:
Eternity to have Rhongomyniad: The Lance that Shines upon the World for Eternity. Just need to ask Mordred and Alítheia to help for this one.
Other concept that could work would be Perpetuity.
Any proper Immortality concept would triumph over Manaka`s powers.

>>4883004
I suppose, but our track record of unforeseen side effects is still, extreme in the results.

>>4883007
WE WILL SKIN THAT BITCH ALIVE WITH A POTATO PEELER CLIT FIRST! NO ONE TRIES TO POSSESSE OUR BABY GIRL!

>>4883004
If anything we should concept Manaka with empathy or something similar she hasn't really done thing wrong.

>>4883011
Time almost killed us, what the hell do you think applying that will do to us?

>>4883013
>>4883007
>>4883004
Yeah, like we're actually going to murder Alitheia's brother/sister.
That's another one we'll have to save then.

>>4883011
I don't see how Mordred would help, but yelling at Alitheia to become a dragon real quick seems worthwhile.

>>4883014
He's not possessing her anon. She's making her own. What made you think she would possess Alitheia?

>>4883016
>she hasn't really done thing wrong
What?

>>4883019
If we can, yeah. It'll be our child as much as Alitheia is.

>>4882997
No.

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! More deadlines! And free power up for the Manaka to boot.

Good delivery though. Respect.

>>4883001
Either she will use it to create her Beast or become Manaka Makiri by worming herself with something like Truth-worms to try to get Truth for herself. Risky but Zouken made it work for Sakura in canon so it should be on the table.

>>4882958
>>"I'm not going to let you die!" (Apply a concept)

Concept of Existence

>>4883021
This>>4883001
Read the post links. Although making her own is just as bad, because she is not having our kid.

>>4883021
> What?
Non zombie Manaka hasn’t done anything except stab Merlin and I don’t think that is bad.

>>4883018
We got a solid buff since >>4882979 is changed verse and we did full aria and we can get Alítheia to go dragon to give us all energy we need. Time-related concepts will get bonus from Mordred helping us.

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I wonder how you'll overcome her...
Also, what do you think her powers are, other than her general ability to do anything she wants through Root Interaction?

>>4883027
That's speculation by a random anon. Why would you think it's True?

And we can't stop her from making her own Alitheia. We should have thought of that before we failed at the ambush with Rhongomyniad and lost our blood to atone.

>>4883032
She went along with zombie Manaka. They're both crazy.

>>4883033
>Time-related concepts will get bonus from Mordred helping us.
No they won't. That's now how it works. Please don't make assumptions about how things work again, mommy Tiamat.

>>4883035
>What are her powers other than literal omnipotence
You're messing with us, right?

>>4882958
>apply concept

Perpetual - Give her the ability to exist without constraint, independent from her Saint Graph entierly.

As for an alternative, we can use Paradox - she was erased, but a paradox can lock her in a constant state of existence, as if her Saint exists even if it is erased.

>>4883036
>What are her powers other than literal omnipotence
>You're messing with us, right?
I meant more in how her powers were manifesting. The means of which she wields her abilities.

>>4883033
Will that really be enough? That is a big concept to apply.
>>4883035
Bootleg us. At least in practice.
>>4883041
She pulls the Wiki our her ass? But literally.

>>4883036
> She went along with zombie Manaka. They're both crazy.
But she is actively against zombie Manaka. That’s why we got to make her not crazy.

>>4883044
>>4883043

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>>4883036
I think you are underestimating Mordred.

>>4883046
Oh, yeah. We're getting the Angry Manjew out of her, and then we're severing her Root connection so she can have a normal childhood from now on. That should help to make her not crazy.

>>4883050
She has nothing at all to do with applying concepts. NOTHING! Please, let's not break another mirror today, mommy Tiamat.

>>4883052
She knows thing or two about Time now so she has my confidence in her if we are doing with Time-related questions and ideas.

>>4883043
Well she seemed to need the book to exert her influence over the servants. Medusa and Shuten had the contracts as well.
We can ask Merlin about bounded fields unless she’s trucking us into that because she’s convinced he gives us wrong answer.

>>4883052
We can't break Concepts we applied, you can't know for certain.

>>4883053
For the love of all that is holy, drop this. This is not a question to answer. No one else can help us with applying a concept. Not Mordred, not anyone else.

>>4883055
What?

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>>4883007
She has our blood, thus she can somehow wield her own version of Truth.

Our dragon girl demonstrated that, so... this is very, very, very bad if it's true.

>>4883058
Vritra and Alitheia already did by supplying power. I think Mordred could conceivably help replicate the looping that allowed us to concept her in the first place, though it is a gambit especially since she even didn’t have time to master her powers yet either.

>>4883058
>What?
Why are freaking out so much about having Mordred help us apply the Concept? She can absolutely help, put us in a time bubble and keep us from burning out applying to Rhongo.

>>4883066
I trust our king.

>>4883066
Yes, Alitheia can supply power. No, Mordred cannot replicate the loop. We're alone in the conceptual world, no one else can help us EXCEPT by providing mana.

>>4883067
She can't do that!

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Alright, first thing we gotta do after saving Rhongo is give everyone here some stimulant so they wont need to sleep, and then we need to form a plan.
I fear we'll have to have that chat with Amaterasu sooner rather than later. We can't afford for our allies to be cripled.
Any concepts we can give to our team?

>>4883072
That is expressly what her power can do.
>>4883073
Unfortunately your probably right.

>>4883073
Who have we not buffed with a Concept yet?

>>4883073
And how do you plan to avoid Amaterasu keeping us for 30,000 years?

>>4883078
>That is expressly what her power can do.
No it is not. Her powers cannot help us with applying concepts. That is a power unique to us. What makes you think otherwise?

>>4882997
I love manaka.

>>4883079
Medea Satsuki Shirou Tamamo are the ones that come to mind first.

>>4882958
>"I'm not going to let you die!"
>Ask Alitheia to become a dragon, but outside so she doesn't collapse the house on our head.
>Ask Sakura, Gil and Enkidu to go with her and make sure your daughter is safe.
>Ask Merlin to cover them.with an illusion.
>Apply the concept of "Endless" to Rhongomyniad
Full Aria, plus Dragon Daughter, plus Ares's sash, we should be able to do this.

>>4883058
I don`t consider Mordred to be strictly necessary but among our allies she is one of the best who can help us. If not by her Time powers than by her almost unlimited magical energy supply.
Although, Alítheia going big could make it redundant.
>>4883073
Should probably first give Nyarly a call after we are done saving the Spear.
We got his phone number now.

>>4883073
We should probably meet Amaterasu later since the world ends tomorrow.

Calling in 15?
Yeah.
15.

>>4883084
Our magic circuits can only handle so much power. It doesn't help to have an ocean of mana available when you still have to use a straw. Alitheia is enough.

>>4882997
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>>4883079
Shirou, Archer, Merlin, Rin, Shuten... a bunch of people.
I say give Merlin Sympathy, as we've already discussed a few threads back.
Also, he must be shitting himself after Manaka came here too.
>>4883080
We'll have to think of something. This is an awful situation, and we need Tamamo at her peak, maybe buffed with a concept too, and we can't do that without Amaterasu's permission.

>>4883079
Check Status Menu in the op.
Everyone without <of Something> is conceptless, not counting <of Orochi> and Eresh with Argo.

>>4883085
The fastest way to give Tamamo her NP back is a concept. And we can't do that because Amaterasu is there. We have to chat with her, unless someone has a faster and better idea to recover her NP.

>>4883026
This one is interesting.
Anyone has a good idea for concept? we have 13 minutes.

>>4883080
>No it is not. Her powers cannot help us with applying concepts. That is a power unique to us. What makes you think otherwise?
So your pretending to be retarded with what I said she would be helping with. Right, go be intentionally useless elsewhere.
>>4883082
We'll have to think on it then.
>>4883084
No reason to not have more redundancies
>"I'm not going to let you die!"
>Ask Alitheia to become a dragon, but outside so she doesn't collapse the house on our head.
>Ask Sakura, Gil and Enkidu to go with her and make sure your daughter is safe.
>Have Mordred get close and provide a rewind to Shinji's body so he can focus on applying the concept.
>Ask Merlin to cover them with an illusion.
>Apply the concept of "Eternity" to Rhongomyniad

>>4882958
>>"I'm not going to let you die!" (Apply a concept)
Space.
If the Goddess Rhongomyniad dies, then we'll replace her with SPACE HEROINE X!

>>4883090
If we hit Shirou with a Concept does it automatically apply to Emiya as well? Would they stack if we applied one to both?
Merlin getting Sympathy or Empathy is best, yeah.
Rin I am not sure, especially with her having the Golden Sword.
We'll need to get ready to black out in our prep phase.
>>4883094
Either that or>>4883095
or maybe Eternal?

So what do we have so far?


>Unconquerable, Inviolable, Unassailable
>Defiance
Concepts centered on defying loss I think could work if they have enough reach to include defiance about how things are supposed to work in-universe.

>Existence
This one might work or do nothing

>Autonomy, Independence

These ones might get us killed on account of their limitlessness; and they may not work because her end kind of already happened.
>Eternity
>Perpetuity, Perpetual
>Endless
>Resolute
>other immortality-related

This one may be on the best track since we're trying to invalidate something that already happened.
>Paradox

Maybe something that would allow her to continue existing although her original basis vanished?
>Transference, Transcendence, Reformation (although that last one we might want for Okita alter, or someone dogma or faith related)

Something about returning from the beyond
>Reincarnation, Rebirth, Reversal

I also think we should hug her while applying concept come to think of it.

>>4883072
Why are you making assumptions about how things work?

>>4883095
Support
>>4883087

>>4883095
You have no idea how Mordred's powers work, how us applying concepts work, and how these two things interact.

>>Sovereignty of Time: C [WisUp!]
A skill that represents Mordred's control over the concept of Time itself. As she is yet to become truly experienced with time, this skill is still ranked quite low, though Mordred has the potential to raise it to incredible heights through practice.
Currently, she is capable of stopping time for a fraction of a second, slowing down time for all but herself to one quarter of what it would normally be, or speeding up her own flow of time by a factor of five, in addition, she possesses immunity to all attacks that would wield causality or time against her and can rapidly restore damage done to her body through reversing time.
Because of this skill, it is also possible for Mordred to choose how old she appears, despite her immortality, though she appears to prefer her current form.
>At a higher rank, this skill will be capable of showing off a True Mastery of time. Time Reversal, Time Travel, Indefinite Time Stopping, Time Looping... nothing is potentially out of the reach of the Sovereign of Time.
Read it again, and tell me where exactly you see that Mordred can do what you say he can.

>>4883099
>Why are you making assumptions about how things work?
Why are YOU making assumptions?

>>4883095
This can backfire if mordred don't know how to do that.

>>4883098
Rin can get kaleidoscopic as a concept.
>rin can now use the power of every rin that exist in the multiverse

>>4882958
Supporting >>4883083 since we are running out of time.
>>4883095
>a rewind to Shinji's body
Sound outside of her abilities as of now. She can only provide energy and small passive help with Time-related stuff if we go by skill description. We asked Vritra for help to use her powers of conceptual Obstacles passively for Time concept due to it being Obstacle and her being supporter of Humanity.

>>4882958
>>4883083
Support

>>4883106
She can already do that with the Kaleidosword.

>>4882958
>>4883083
+1.

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>>4883083
>>4882958
+1
Unless someone has a better idea that don't involve asking someone to use their powers in ways they dont know how.

>>4883101
I trust our king you Autist.
>>4883103
Still better to have her try in the heat of the moment, her Instinct should kick in.
>>4883106
Sounds good, maybe something more multiconceptual like from Hindu religion or something, its on the tip of my tongue but I just can't think of it.
>>4883095
Add on to this.
>Have Medea and Tamamo help Mordred keep our body together with their healing magic.
Should cover most of our bases.

>>4883095
>"I'm not going to let you die!"
>Ask Alitheia to become a dragon, but outside so she doesn't collapse the house on our head.
>Ask Sakura, Gil and Enkidu to go with her and make sure your daughter is safe.
>Have Mordred get close and provide a rewind to Shinji's body so he can focus on applying the concept.
>Have Medea and Tamamo help Mordred keep our body together with their healing magic.
>Ask Merlin to cover them with an illusion.
>Apply the concept of "Eternity" to Rhongomyniad
Update autisim.

>>4883117
It's not a matter of trust, but ability. Did you even read her skill that I copied?

>>4883118
Tesla only demolished part of the roof, and we have squishy humans that could get hurt by the rest of it collapsing.

>>4883112
But that would give a absurd amount of mastery of it.
Infinity also would be cool but deadly to us.

>>4882958

>Hug her
>"Alitheia, go big."
>I'm not letting you die.
>[Transcendence]

>>4883121
Yes, and that doesn't change my statement.

>>4883121
We still have tesla to separate from monica and ask for his help.

>>4883129
I imagine they'll be back for him soon, yeah. Eresh can give him a new body, but we should ask Monica first. She's much, much harder to kill with the serb incel inside her, and she might not mind him if she has control of the body.

>>4883126

Hmm.. actually no.
I think I'll go back to my first instinct here.
>>4882958

Substitute concept for
>[Defiance]

We also should ask alaya for help
And maybe ask for her and alan for a truce so the world don't get sideways fucked in 24 hours because some loli wants some cock

>>4883126
>>4883132
This is really quite a pickle desu...
Transcendence should allow her to continue to exist in defiance of commonly accepted rules, but only if the way saint graphs work is not already considered transcendent enough in which case it would do nothing.
On the other hand defiance should represent both her continued existence despite being deleted while also what brought about her deletion as well, even if it is not all that close to her previous nature.

Callin.

>>4883139
The 15 minutes aleady passed.

>>4883141

>>4882958

>>"I'm not going to let you die!" (Apply a concept)
Concept of Existence
>>4883026

>apply concept
Perpetual
>>4883037

>"I'm not going to let you die!"
>Ask Alitheia to become a dragon, but outside so she doesn't collapse the house on our head.
>Ask Sakura, Gil and Enkidu to go with her and make sure your daughter is safe.
>Ask Merlin to cover them.with an illusion.
>Apply the concept of "Endless" to Rhongomyniad
>>4883083
>>4883107
>>4883111
>>4883113
>>4883114

>>"I'm not going to let you die!" (Apply a concept)
Space.
>>4883097

>Hug her
>"Alitheia, go big."
>I'm not letting you die.
>[Defiance]
>>4883132

>"I'm not going to let you die!"
>Ask Alitheia to become a dragon, but outside so she doesn't collapse the house on our head.
>Ask Sakura, Gil and Enkidu to go with her and make sure your daughter is safe.
>Have Mordred get close and provide a rewind to Shinji's body so he can focus on applying the concept.
>Have Medea and Tamamo help Mordred keep our body together with their healing magic.
>Ask Merlin to cover them with an illusion.
>Apply the concept of "Eternity" to Rhongomyniad
>>4883120 (not sure if it's a vote, he didn't link it to the prompt)

Can Eresh take a look at her regardless of whatever else? Even if her saint graph is gone, she's still talking to us somehow so it might be something for Eresh to work with.

>>4883127
That's because you're retarded, saiyanigger.

>>4883143
I hope your plan works.

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>>4883150
None of my plans have failed yet.

>>4883148
k
>>4883151
bet

>>4883151
>>4883152
Going to have a duel afterwards?

>>4883152
The sakurafag hasn't gotten us killed. Can you say the same?

>>4883158
Yeah

>>4883158
Don't know, can you be less obvious without your name on?

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>>4883155
Now why would I accept a duel when results speak for themselves? Both of what happens when we go with my plans, and what happens when people don't listen to me?

>>4883158
Heh. Thanks fren.

>>4883163
Autist...are you talking to yourself?

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Manaka still such a boring adversary.
I miss based Grandpa.

>>4883171
My only regret is killing him once.

>>4883155
You namefag is tiamat, isnt it? In chrome it shows as squares, fucking google.

>>4883171
I dunno. By the end Grampa was kinda based.
Manaka is a fucking irritation and I want to stomp her like a bug.

>>4883176
Yeah, gramps at least had to try and be clever to get that level, manaka is just lucky to be that op.

>>4883170
seethe

>>4883171
Grandpa was a nice personal adversary, but Manaka's OP haxx are far more interesting to fight against.

>>4883173
Yep, that's mommy Tiamat.

>>4883001
Medbee Shinji clones

>>4883171
Grandpa lives on in us, whether we deny it or not.
In the end he will prove to be the abyss that gazed back.

>>4883187
dilate

>>4883172
He was fun enemy though.
We knew his powers, could plan accordingly and he had much more interesting Servants than Manaka did.
He wasn`t just tyring to go grug with near omnipotency but was instead enemy who used his knowledge and wit. His endgoal was also really solid one.
One Manaka is just crazy yandere loli for Arthur who tries to act smug and the other is almost doing Heaven`s Feel Sakura impersonation.
>>4883173
Yeah.
>>4883176
>Manaka is a fucking irritation and I want to stomp her like a bug.
Well, I guess if by the end of it most of us share this sentiment WhatIs did his job perfectly.

>>4883195
I'm surprised she came even as an illusion.

>>4883197
How could she grab the sword with our blood if she hadn't come?

>>4883193
In the end Grandpa did wanted us to continue Makiri bloodline.
His legacy lives on with all those top tier girls he gave us.
>>4883197
Safe to assume each hour we wasted today gave her more and more powers.

>>4883199
I don't know, how many Jack's are around right now?

>>4883202
>Safe to assume each hour we wasted today gave her more and more powers.
She countered Mordred. Every hour we HADN'T wasted today would be one more preparation she'd know exactly how to counter.

>>4883203
Zero? Because Rhongomyniad's wall of holy flame kept them out?

>>4883202
She's going to be a headache, that's for sure, does our Anti divine team even function against whatever the hell she is right now? Sakura not withstanding.
>In the end Grandpa did wanted us to continue Makiri bloodline.
>His legacy lives on with all those top tier girls he gave us.
>Get in the robot Shinji intensifies Fortunate Son.exe

>>4883209
>Zero? Because Rhongomyniad's wall of holy flame kept them out?
Which would have gone down relatively soon after she turned back. Which means she was impatient to get the sample.

>>4883213
Why would she wait, risk us noticing the sword, and rely on the Jacks who failed on the ambush WITH surprise yanking it with no surprise instead of just heading here herself and grabbing it?

I wonder if we can still save the jacks, they don't deserve this.

>>4883218
I think we lost our chance, illyafren. Manaka got what she wanted, I bet she's retreating and fortifying right now.

>>4883216
Why would we worry about the sword with everything else going on? Them running like cockroaches would be a greater relief than us noticing them grabbing shit on the ground. We didn't even notice the blade until Manaka picked it up. Surprise would have nothing to do with it.
>>4883218
Maybe possible, she used Jacks as canon fodder, Manaka may just set them loose as a distraction.

We really need a way to prevent people from yoinking our DNA, If we don't I fear this won't be the last time someone tries to use our powers against us. (Yes, Morgan, that also includes you.).

>>4883210
If we assuume it will be more conceptual battle due to all the powers she stole from Outer Gods and us, our best bet is to concept people we want for a final fight since they likely will have better resistance to her powers because of empowerment from Truth.
Might want to ask Alan to give BB her powers back and concept her too for it.

>>4883171
Zouken was a much more personal enemy, he terrorized Sakura, the girl we love most in the world, for years and was going to use us and her affection for us to completely destroy her. We couldn't move on from the past until he died

Manaka is more godlike in comparison and her goals match it, she’s unhinged and alien, and there’s nothing really personal there, yeah she’s using our friends as meat puppets but we can actually fight back against her.

I wonder if our blood will even work as well as it did for our dragon daughter, considering that it may be already almost dry.
Also we didnt gave it willingly.
>>4883227
Morgan at this point is probably just taking the long way of having mordred get pregnant from us, its easier and it isnt a backstab.

>>4883179
It matches, Manaka was almost born godlike, she summoned one of the strongest servants, she controls Beast 666 and she had a connection to the root. Zouken, though a very gifted Magus, had to work for everything he accomplished, it didn't fall on his lap, he had to be smart about everything

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How annoying. I was hoping could get Jets, Jack and Diarmuid soon, but at this rate she'll just have everyone in her base defensing her. Unless she decides to have them cause mayhem somewhere to distract us.
Speaking of, we should go to Waver and ask him for Iskandar's concept. He's been in gay baby jail long enough.

>>4883227
That is probably gonna be pretty hard unless we know its coming, unless we start setting shit on fire so our DNA is unsalvagable.
>>4883228
Well Nobu, Aclidas, Sakura, Lugh, maybe Jason, Gil and Enkidu...we got a pretty damn good list of people for the Dungeon Dive, now that I recheck it. But how do we narrow it down, should we even try to narrow it down? Might be easier to make a list of who isn't going down and who will be on standby or crowd control for whatever Manaka sends out to distract us.
>Might want to ask Alan to give BB her powers back and concept her too for it.
I am hesitant to give her that, but the alternative isn't much better.

>>4883231
Maybe she won't fuck up being an Aunt.

>>4883235
First we hug Tamamo and apologize again, then we grab him and retag Diarmuid.

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>>4883231
>FUCK MY DAUGHTERSON SHINJI
>CONTINUE THE PENDRAGON DYNASTY
>YOUR SPAWN WILL RULE ENGLAND FOR 10000 YEARS

>>4883240
Can't we just create a mystic code which whole use would be to set it on fire on leaving our body?

>>4883246
But Morgan, Mordred is already going to rule England literally forever.

>>4883240
>we concept ourselves into incorporeality to ensure nobody can take a piece of us
>they begin going after our kids instead

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>>4883227
Acht already has our blood, probably. We should worry about Einzbern homunculi with Truth powers when we storm his castle in a few days, but not right now.

>>4883230
Yep, excellent analysis anon.

>>4883231
I bet Manaka's Alitheia won't be as strong as our Alitheia, but she'll still be enough for her purposes.

>>4883247
>Try to trace a rune
>Oh shit, I'm on fire

>>4883247
Well the term DNA is a wide ass net, for instance, our cum(Obvious problem), spit(fire spit would be fucking sick not gonna lie), our blood burning if it isn't fast enough makes us discount Alien, cool, but impractical as it might set stuff around us on fire.

>>4883252
>Acht already has our blood, probably. We should worry about Einzbern homunculi with Truth powers when we storm his castle in a few days, but not right now.
What? Acht has Kerry's crest not our blood.

>>4883256
He has both. We stayed in Einzbern mansion for days, way back then, and we made him suspicious. It might not be blood, but he certainly got a sample.

>>4883252
I doubt Acht could do anything with our blood on purpose on the same level as Manaka, unless he fucks up. That might lead to nonsense.

>>4883257
Do we know that or are you just assuming?

>>4883262
Assuming.

>>4883257
This is pure speculation and Acht doesn't even know we are a magus.

>>4883242
>retag Diarmuid.
retag?

>>4883258
Not on the same level certainly, but he could still do something.

>>4883262
Is it not a reasonable assumption to make?

>>4883268
Concept application, retag him, get him off of Manaka's crew.
>>4883269
So Mr. Don't Make Assumptions, is making assumptions.
When at the time we were allies and he had no reason to try anything until after it was too late, yes. Moot point though, old blood shouldn't have all the bullshit running through our bodies right now.

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What can they even do with our blood in like 24 hours anyways? Regardless, we need to prep and attack ASAP. The sooner we bring the fight to them, the less time they have to do whatever it is they're planning. We also need to go as hard as we possibly can.

>>4883269
>Is it not a reasonable assumption to make?
No. Last time we met Acht he didn't know we were a magus it would be reasonable to assume he now knows that but he would have no clue that our blood can create powerful being and would not have a sample of our blood.

>>4883275
>When at the time we were allies
Do you have any idea who Acht is and how he thinks? Alliance meant shit, both he and us knew it. We betrayed him the first chance we got, and so would he.

>>4883277
He knew something was weird about us. The Matou bloodline should not have produced something like Shinji. And he's specialized on alchemy and homunculi. Taking a sample is exactly what he'd do, even if he wasn't sure it would be worthwhile.

>>4883257
Acht wouldn't, be thinks Shinji has no circuits.

Ok after this we have to have Merlin through up illusions around the mansion. Give Wavers Rider concept, have Rin look for our kaladeostar, give Madea a concept, have Madea setup the dragon blood ritual, concept BB to unbind her from Alan.

I think Manaka is giving us a day because she isn't ready yet either.

Is there something in forgetting?

>>4883280
>He knew something was weird about us. The Matou bloodline should not have produced something like Shinji.
At the time the Einzbern did not know we were a magus.

>>4883280
So more assumptions. Neat when you do it huh? I'm sensing a pattern.

>>4883282
Where the fuck is our Kaladeostar anyways? I hope the kids didn't grab it by accident.

>>4883280
He just thought we were a skilled martial artist at best. He is very arrogant like Zouken was before we shanked him.

>>4883286
Your asking me? I've been on about searching for it since it's so fucking dangerous. People gave Madea the task then near instantly changed her task before she could look into it.

Gotta say, I would have nothing against getting some True Time Alter maids. I find the idea hilarious.

>>4883290
Shit is too wild, could Rin find it?

>>4883293
>Accident happens
>No it didn't
They must never read JoJo, Dio would make them to much.

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While Aleithia is big, have Betty make a set of horrors to concept into knight-like figures while we're juiced

>>4883283
We tried to fake it. Did we succeed? I really doubt it. A teenager cannot just appear out of nowhere and beat a homunculus in single combat without making Acht curious. He'd love a sample, and we gave him plenty of opportunity.

>>4883285
I base my speculation on characters and evidence. You understand nothing, and make assumptions based on nothing. I have been right about literally everything. You have not, and still don't understand why. Funny how that works.

>>4883290
Medea told us she couldn't find it.

>>4883293
We could ask Illya to lend us some. They'll be her maids soon.

>>4883297
How the fuck Acht have it? I can see Manaka nabbing it, but why Acht? He hasn't been relevant since we ditched him and reunited Illya with her family.
>>4883303
>I base my speculation on characters and evidence. You understand nothing, and make assumptions based on nothing. I have been right about literally everything. You have not, and still don't understand why. Funny how that works.
Ah, head up your own ass syndrome it is then. Duly noted.

>>4883307
>How the fuck Acht have it?
I just explained. Didn't you read? We stayed in his castle for days after we made him very curious. He had means, motive and opportunity. He'd be a retard NOT to have taken a sample. I mean, more of a retard than he already is.

He'll be relevant again in a few days, when we storm his castle to kill him and give it to Illya. And he's very relevant in a discussion about who else might have gotten access to our powers, even if it's a lesser form.

>>4883303
>We tried to fake it. Did we succeed? I really doubt it. A teenager cannot just appear out of nowhere and beat a homunculus in single combat without making Acht curious. He'd love a sample, and we gave him plenty of opportunity.
But we did beat the maid with our martial arts ability we didn't use any magecraft he shouldn't be suspicious and even if he is suspicious he would have no reason to take a sample of our blood instead of say dissect us. And even IF he had a sample of our blood he would have no way of knowing what it can do since Manaka only found out after we had Alithiea which happened on a mountain somewhere that Acht would have no way of surveilling. The only way Acht could possibly have truth powers is a series of absurd coincidences or he has meta knowledge.

Pretty damn weird that all of a sudden your freaking out over a character that had no chance to be relevant Autist. So ignoring your assumptions about Acht entirely until it comes up. And if it does, your either WhatIs pretending to be a player, or your an obsessive faggot in some DM with him and have meta knowledge pertaining to the quest, now sit down and shut the fuck up.
>>4883311
Much more likely.

>>4883316
Acht and Morgan were always people to be wary of due to their predisposition to use Truth materials in their magic.

This discussion has popped up time and time again for a reason, you know?

>>4883322
>This discussion has popped up time and time again for a reason, you know?
It has?

So, we may also need to save our stick, if manaka just dont use our blood to make a body and put the kaleido on it.

>>4882958
>>4883083
Bit late but, supportan

>>4883313
You are illiterate you tisim monkey,
>>How the fuck Acht have it?
Isn't talking about your asinine theory you recently pulled from your rectum and think it's gods gift.
>>4883315
Fair, she did see us use it, and demonstrated the ability to just grab shit on her own time.
>>4883322
The Difference is Acht couldn't act on it(pun intended) when he noticed us take our restraint off. Morgan is more likely to be able to do something, if not for the fact everyone watches her like a hawk, and her probably desire to let Mordred just get a kid from us naturally.
>>4883324
I don't remember either, but he must be humoring Autist.

>>4883324
Ye, every time Morgan was around, a few times regarding Acht after powers started getting stronger and especially when SHuten/Medea commented about FLUID EROTIC OUUHHHH it was a pretty fast mental leap to oh shit, Acht could have collected some and made Truth Homonculi.

And of course, Morgan doing to us what she did to Artoria, pretending to be Guin.

Lucky we have the Truth Eye now so we can see through her attempts if she ever gets bored of trying to use Mordred to acquire them through other ways.

>>4883326
...would that break our agreement with Rin if everyone sees a genderbent Shinji?

>>4883314
>he shouldn't be suspicious
Teenager appears out of nowhere, beats maid in single combat instead of getting flattened. Acht is curious.
>even if he is suspicious he would have no reason to take a sample of our blood instead of say dissect us
Sample lets him study the mysterious stranger further without breaking the alliance. He could be planning to dissect us post war, we don't know that.
>And even IF he had a sample of our blood he would have no way of knowing what it can do
Not before he studied it, no. He'd just be curious and he'd want to study if it ended up being nothing. But after studying? I bet he'd be able to give his maids some truth powers. Probably halbers of Truth instead of something more serious, but still something to watch out for.
>The only way Acht could possibly have truth powers is a series of absurd coincidences or he has meta knowledge.
No, it would only take him NOT being a retard and taking his new, untrustworthy ally completely at his word.

>>4883316
>Anon asks who else might have access to our bloood
>I answer
>Pretty damn weird
I know you're retarded saiyanigger

>>4883324
Based skipchad

>>4883322
Wait a damn second I just reread what you said, Truth material specifically? That has never been a damn thing, until we got here. Morgan would literally be the only one able to try it.

>>4883340
>Truth material specifically? That has never been a damn thing
He's talking about biological material. Both of them specialize in growing homunculi in vats.

>>4883336
>WAAAH, MY ASSUMPTIONS ARE RIGHT YOU NAMELESS PEONS, SUCK MY COOOOOCK
You right now.

>>4883340
A sweeping term for any of Shinji's body parts that contain his unique Origin. Be it hair, fluids, flesh, bone etc.

>>4883342
Based

>>4883342
lol, retard

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>>4883342
https://youtu.be/DGAPTWbdGws

>>4883341
Your dumbass has already been thoroughly debunked. And if you are right, then you know information that players shouldn't have. Sit down you worthless attention whore. And shut up.
>>4883343
Again, only Morgan would have any chance, fucking hell, Manaka has a better chance of just grabbing bits of us during our battle with what she pulled right now than either Acht twiddling his thumbs in his castle or Morgan either being a good repenting mom or two face Morgan as she is known for.

>>4883350
>Your dumbass has already been thoroughly debunked
DEBOONKED

>And if you are right, then you know information that players shouldn't have
What of the things I have explained is information that players shouldn't have? Do you think I came up with all of it on my own? As the nigger said, this has been discussed in the past, with people who could actually read. Unlike (you).

>>4883336
>Teenager appears out of nowhere, beats maid in single combat instead of getting flattened. Acht is curious.
Sure I concede this point
>Sample lets him study the mysterious stranger further without breaking the alliance. He could be planning to dissect us post war, we don't know that.
Why should he care about the alliance we are as you admit a random teenager and if he was suspicious even more so that he shouldn't trust the alliance and should just dissect us. How would he take a sample of our blood without being caught? Why don't you think that counts as breaking the alliance.
>Not before he studied it, no. He'd just be curious and he'd want to study if it ended up being nothing. But after studying? I bet he'd be able to give his maids some truth powers. Probably halbers of Truth instead of something more serious, but still something to watch out for.
Let's say he took out blood when we visited he shouldn't be able to give the maids truth powers back then. We weren't nearly as powerful back then and even Touko and us someone who doesn't just have a blood sample but us couldn't give people truth powers.
>No, it would only take him NOT being a retard and taking his new, untrustworthy ally completely at his word.
There are many things he could do to since he didn't trust us he could send someone tail us before the war he could spy on us through the teddy bear taking a blood sample doesn't aid him in anyway unless he had meta knowledge.

>>4883350
You weren't here for the Einzbern castle arc. We spent more time IC at that place chronologically than we have spent in the entire Grail War to date.

>>4883350
I don't know why you're so hung up on it when all this is is simple possibility that can't hurt to be considered for our future confrontation with Einzbern.
Besides WhatIs might like the idea and use it even if he didn't plan it to begin with.

Although personally I think it would be at most demonstration of Einzbern paranoia rather than any real suspicion on his part.

>>4883358
We still did not reveal any capacity for magic that would strike Acht's interest, only martial skill which is why he let us there to begin with. He would have no need for Makiri genes for testing.

>>4883360
>Besides WhatIs might like the idea and use it even if he didn't plan it to begin with.
This is my problem if it does happen which at this rate it might since it does sound like a cool idea it will feel like a massive retcon.

>>4883362
I think he'd be at least somewhat interested in how Zolgen suddenly produced a competent heir who came to usurp his grandfather as head of the Makiri line asking for a 3 families meeting.

Even more fishy when he knows Zolgen adopted the Tohsaka's second child to turn into his new heir.

>>4883357
>Why should he care about the alliance we are as you admit a random teenager and if he was suspicious even more so that he shouldn't trust the alliance and should just dissect us.
Because the alliance would still be useful for him wining the 5th, the thing he actually cares about. Studying the curious teenager would be nothing but a side project at first, before he realized what exactly he got his hands on.

>How would he take a sample of our blood without being caught?
Drugs in our dinner, sample during the night. Or, as the nigger said, it could have been saliva, hair, etc. Those would be extremely easy.

>Why don't you think that counts as breaking the alliance.
Because we didn't realize it? We always planned to betray him, the alliance was never genuine on either end.

>Let's say he took out blood when we visited he shouldn't be able to give the maids truth powers back then.
Not back then, no. But it's been years since then. His research would have certainly bore fruit.

>We weren't nearly as powerful back then and even Touko and us someone who doesn't just have a blood sample but us couldn't give people truth powers.
I am expecting Truth halberds, not concepting and deleting like Alitheia can do..

>There are many things he could do to since he didn't trust us he could send someone tail us before the war he could spy on us
He did. He send a maid. Who can say he didn't send anything else?

>he could spy on us through the teddy bear
The teddy bear that was on Illya's possession all the time?

>doesn't aid him in anyway
It aids him in understanding the curious teenager. He's lost nothing but time if it ends up being nothing, and he has plenty of time.

>>4883360
He's hung up on it only because I was the one to talk about it. He would have agreed if it'd been the nigger bringing it up instead of me. He has a grudge, if you couldn't tell.

>>4883363
>it will feel like a massive retcon.
Why? It's pretty well justified.

>>4883374
Tldr

>>4883371
>I think he'd be at least somewhat interested in how Zolgen suddenly produced a competent heir who came to usurp his grandfather as head of the Makiri line asking for a 3 families meeting.
We didn't introduce ourselves as a competent heir at least not when it came to magecraft. There is nothing against Zolgen's descendent having martial arts skills.

>>4883360
First off its the random smug assumption that some Autist is right by default would have happened when there would have been no reason for it. Then trippling down on his word being good as the GMs and his sheer denial of being wrong.
At most if it is retconed to being right, the old blood does jack shit for him, as our Truth bullshit needs to be given, just the blood, not even as charged as we are now, would amount to nothing.
>>4883371
Our competency aside he would have no more interest in that than say what the weather for tomorrow would be, so long as we fulfilled out bargain. And we came to him on the condition we would get his help to get us a Servant to finish our old man, because until the War started, he didn't think we had any talent with magic, and only had martial prowess. No more suspicious than he'd be any other day, and would have no reason to grab a sample.
>Even more fishy when he knows Zolgen adopted the Tohsaka's second child to turn into his new heir.
It's clear as night and day that we went to school with the other child, why would he think we wouldn't know that?
>>4883374
Blow smoke up your ass on your own time you colossal autistic faggot. Your theory is retarded.

"I'm not going to let you die!" You roar your declaration out to the world. The Goddess Rhongomyniad, in just the span of a few minutes, has gone from a clear enemy who wished to battle you, to somebody you needed to save. You refused to allow this woman to die. To be sacrificed for no reason other than the megalomaniacal spite of an insane girl with delusions of taking over existence! No. You can't call them delusions, not anymore. Not after seeing just how powerful that Manaka has truly become. To be able to kill even the Goddess Rhongomyniad with such ease. You don't know if it was because she was linked to her power, or if she's developed the ability to obliterate whatever she wants through forming one of those pages... You really really hope that it's not the latter, and that Manaka hasn't gained the ability to instantly kill even beings on the level of Rhongomyniad. You have absolutely no idea just what level of power that the girl might have already reached, and that... that scares you. You knew that she was powerful even before, but... this is ridiculous. Unreal, even.

You crouch down to look at Rhongomyniad more closely, taking note of her heavy breaths as you lay a hand on her head. You close your eyes to focus once again, before you begin to speak. "Alítheia. I need you to go outside right now, and take on your draconic form, Gilgamesh. Enkidu. Sakura. Go out there with her to defend her. Please, and Merlin?" You open your eyes to look at the Magus of Flowers, who has a serious expression on his face for once. He clearly recognizes just how dire this situation is. The fact that Manaka just instantly defeated an entity that was at least on the level of strength as a Grand Servant should have woken him up, especially seeing as he lost his own qualifications to act as a Grand. Alaya... you don't know how much power she's capable of exerting through Taiga's body without destroying it utterly, and you don't want to risk that either. "Go and create an illusion to hide everyone, just in case."

Your brain is running at a thousand miles an hour as you start the countdown in your head. "Right away, papa!" Alítheia starts to rush outside, and is rapidly followed by Gilgamesh, Enkidu, Sakura and Merlin. The four of them knowing better than to do anything other than what you ask in a situation as dire as this one. Even Gilgamesh silently following your request.

The walls made out of Rhongomyniad's energy dropped the moment that Manaka destroyed her page, but the attack from Manaka really didn't come, meaning it's mostly safe for Alítheia to go outside. Especially with an escort of some of the most powerful people on the planet... which... when you think about it, she's also included as one of the most powerful people... ah well.

You can feel time slowly ticking away. Rhongomyniad is looking up at you with those normally lifeless eyes of hers, now, only in her dying moments, do they display a true range of emotions. While she was excited by the concept of battle, now there's a great array of emotions. Sorrow, Hope, Acceptance, Despair, Regret. All of these thoughts must be running through her mind as the last vestiges of her existence fade away.

But you aren't going to allow that to happen. No. You aren't going to let this goddess disappear after all that has happened. You never thought you'd be so desperate for the sake of saving the Goddess Rhongomyniad, but... after what she said to you, as she began to disappear... how on Earth could you let a woman like that disappear from the world? While the Goddess in your memories was a villain who sought to destroy the planet to save humanity, this goddess... this Goddess is an innocent soul, who simply wished to save both humanity and the planet with your help. So... you'll grant her that wish!

Outside, you can feel that Alítheia had completed her transformation, as a wave of her energy floods over you, the tremendous amount of energy allowing you to rapidly recharge yourself, almost as if you had been touching one of Rhongomyniad's barriers. While Rhongomyniad and Alítheia are likely to be somewhat similar in terms of the amount of magical energy they are capable of generating, Alítheia is far more unrestrained and wild with the generation of her magical energy, and far less selective for that matter. And this is when she's only the dragon equivalent of an infant, already with magical energy comparable to a true goddess...

As the magical energy from Alítheia's transformation washes over you, you prepare to enter Rhongomyniad's conceptual world, only for the Goddess to reach a gauntlet up to your face and caress it softly, her moist eyes, which have shown so many emotions in the moments preceding her death, only show melancholy now, she really thinks that you aren't going to be able to save her? You'll prove her wrong!

You take a hold of the last vestiges of the Goddess Rhongomyniad's existence, and allow your being to drift into the remnants of her conceptual world, hoping beyond hope that it's not too late for you to save the Goddess.

You open your eyes, and find yourself standing on a grassy plain, facing a huge blue and white city that seems to be ... crumbling away. As you look at the castle standing proudly in the center of the city, you see one of the towers collapse in on itself, as you turn around, you almost fall to your death. Behind you is a bottomless void, and you nearly fall once again when the patch of ground you're on collapses into the void beneath you, only being saved by your newly developed instincts. This... This whole world! It's falling apart! You need to find Rhongomyniad's conceptual core before it's too late!

It's clear that her conceptual core will be in the castle, but... where? You doubt you'll have more than one chance to find it!

>On a balcony overlooking the crumbling city she never ruled.
>In the fading throne room, a seat of power she never held.
>In the crypts of the castle that she will never be buried in.
>At the very peak of the castle that she never owned.
>Write-in...

>>4883399
On a balcony overlooking the crumbling city she never ruled.

>>4883398
Delete and repost this please.
You cut off the update.

>>4883374
>He has a grudge, if you couldn't tell.
Maybe you could stop feeding it and the thread would be a more pleasant place.
>>4883386
Just because someone is smug does not always mean they are wrong, Anon.
The fact is Einzbern did have opportunity to take samples, and some arguably dubious justification. These are enough to entertain the possibility when we decide who to take with us when dealing with him.

Lion King returned to the throne room after her loss on the roof of the castle in Camelot.

Agravain met her there and she let him die in her arms before she world hopped away from the crumbling castle and singularity.

But now she's dying, so she'll just fade out on that throne.

>>4883399
>In the fading throne room, a seat of power she never held.

>>4883399
I think all of these are the correct answer, and will simply influence the power of the concept. Which is why we should go with write-in autism. How about the grassy plains themselves? Ultimately, she is the goddess who protects humanity, and for all the marble walls to protect them, humanity first and foremost needs the fertile ground beneath them to thrive.
>Write-in: The ground itself. All of it.

how much time until call.

>>4883412
Are you sure about that? Every single time we have been faced with this choice, the true answer was hidden. None of the defaults were right. I'd be inclined to look for her in the armory, as she is at her core a Spear. Not a ruler, not any of those things. Even the prompts say the X she never had!

>>4883374
>Why? It's pretty well justified.
Is it? Sure Acht would be suspicious of us but he should have no reason to suspect us out magecraft and even if he did suspect our magecraft why would he take our blood? Most magecraft isn't linked to blood. But lets say he was suspicious of our magecraft even though Zouken who we had been living with for ages never knew and he did take a sample of our fluids on first glance our fluids should be pretty normal. At first our fluids didn't have magical properties and could create truth dragons that only happened recently. So it is far more likely if he did take our fluids for him to just leave it on a shelf somewhere and forget about it instead of spending years researching he has better things to do.
The main reason it feels like a retcon is that Acht's actions don't make sense if he knew we were a magus he should have cancelled the alliance since it is founded on the idea that we were to help Illya as a martial artist.

>>4883421
Can't be sure desu, her bond ce is the horse and has nothing to do with Rhon, just Artoria as a lancer.

>>4883421
The only things she has had in her short life under Manaka's command was battle. So either Armory or the Barracks/Battlegrounds, going by this line of thinking

So, what is her conceptual core going to be?
Naively it could be the lance itself.
The lance that shines to the end of the world. Maybe following the light would help? The peak of the castle would be a good spot to shine fromm wouldn't it?

>>4883427
Well, do you have a better idea? All of the default options have been traps in the past.

>>4883431
Barracks would be reasonable, yeah. But she's a weapon, not a soldier. And weapons are found in the armory.

>>4883374
>The teddy bear that was on Illya's possession all the time?
In the castle that she eventually lost the bear in, and where we didn't reveal anything, not to mention the fact the bear form was just to torture him, not as a recording device.
>Drugs in our dinner, sample during the night. Or, as the nigger said, it could have been saliva, hair, etc. Those would be extremely easy.
So you jump straight to the most obvious breaks in an alliance possible just to twist your idea into working out of spite.
>Studying the curious teenager would be nothing but a side project at first, before he realized what exactly he got his hands on.
Except he is a third rate magician compared to Manaka and he still would have no reason for it, since he know's we Zouken's brat, and would not care.
>Because we didn't realize it? We always planned to betray him, the alliance was never genuine on either end.
Again you have to make a baseless assumptions based on your unbeatable knowledge on the franchise, just so you can say your right when it makes no sense.
>Not back then, no. But it's been years since then. His research would have certainly bore fruit.
No he wouldn't, he wouldn't waste the effort anyways, but even if he wanted too, he'd still need to divert resources to his grand plan of Tunnel vision to the Root. You autistic fuck.
>I am expecting Truth halberds, not concepting and deleting like Alitheia can do..
That is the 10th most retarded sentence you made yet.
>He did. He send a maid. Who can say he didn't send anything else?
Because he values propriety above all else, and if he was paranoid to do anything else, he wouldn't bother and would just jump right to the cutting.
>It aids him in understanding the curious teenager. He's lost nothing but time if it ends up being nothing, and he has plenty of time.
Again you keep saying that, but only because you ignore he lost interest in us being anything but a useful meatshield for Illya.
>>4883410
>Just because someone is smug does not always mean they are wrong, Anon.
It is when he would have to bitch hard enough to retroactively make himself right when there is no reason for it.
>The fact is Einzbern did have opportunity to take samples, and some arguably dubious justification. These are enough to entertain the possibility when we decide who to take with us when dealing with him.
The dubious reasons are as aired out as swiss cheese, to say he would go through that much trouble when he had his Grand Plan going on is the most asinine thing today to come out of Autist.

>>4883433
What does Rhongo want most?

>>4883439
Us

>>4883439
To save the world, i suppose.

>>4883434
However, she summoned those 100 soldiers to fight against us, who were incredibly loyal to her despite her detrimental charisma

>>4883441
Shit. But I meant in general. Before us.

>>4883439
To save the world I'd say. To protect humanity.
How does that translate into a part of the castle?

>>4883434
We have instinct now so maybe not? I'm rereading atm.

>>4883443
She summoned the soldiers yes, but she is not one of them.

>>4883442
So...what would that look like?

>>4883395
What does the sky look like, Whatis. Any pillars of light?

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>>4883442
Uh

>>4883446
Instinct is combat only. This is not combat, nigger.

>>4883445
She was a weapon Arturia used, but she wants to protect the world, how would Rhongo go about it?

>>4883448
I think she's simply too prideful to see herself as "just" a weapon. Savior of humanity or not, she's still a capital G Goddess.

>>4883453
Instinct literally saved us from falling into the expanding chasm. Don't speedread, namefag-kun.

>>4883450
Like the color is fading away to a miserable dark gray.
No pillars of light.

>>4883445
Well throne room is the place from which authority would be exercised, seat of power.

Armory could be a place where you'd look for a weapon.

The edge would also be a place to look for if it wasn't expanding, it could conceivably be that the core is already in the void. Maybe the correct answer is to dive into the void and look for the core there, but then the instincts would probably not save us form it... or would they?

>>4883465
Any light at all?

>>4883465
>a miserable dark gray.
That's a rude way to speak of our friend desu

>>4883465
I REALLY want to save her but theres just so many options. Throw us one more bone here, dude.

>>4883463
If we fall into the chasm we die. We don't know what happens if we pick the wrong thing as the core, but it's probably not our death, and so instinct wouldn't apply.

>>4883472
Not that you'd think was anything notable.
There's no shining beacon of light in this dying world.

>>4883479
So we have to save this world's entire foundation because it's FADING. We need to either imbue the ground or castle walls with the concept.

>>4883469
The damn core might be down there too. Shit.
>>4883465
>>4883479
Shiiiit, why do all goddesses need to be giant headaches? Did the core fall in the void? Can we see, ANYTHING, out there?

case could also be made for the crypt. She spent most of her existence sealed, no? Additionally it would be a place from which she would not be able to shine from. And it does represent a boundary between this world and the next.

Following pattern of previous concept explorations we indeed always picked write in rather than any of the initially given options but we never learned if any of the given ones might have been valid. Still it's probably safe to assume the answer is not one of the offered options.

>>4883489
Is there some kind of Church or sepulcher in the castle? Maybe near the crypts? She was a Holy object.

>>4883493
>>4883479
missed the post link

I feel like >On a balcony overlooking the crumbling city she never ruled. may be it, she would be looking at something she desires but never got.

We need to list important features in Castle-Cities that might be useful for brainstorming here:
>Gates
>Walls
>Ballistae
>Moat
>Gardens
>Townsmen Living Areas
>Barracks
>Arena?
>Training Ground/Archery range
>Spires
>Throne room
>Royalty private quarters?
>Balcony
>Crypts
>Dungeons
>Stable
>Infirmary
>Library
>Watchtower
>Beacons?

The balcony is likely because she loves humans and where would she view them.

Hope we get to use this as a spear. Maybe she can transform back and forth.

>>4883500
I guess, wait, how did Arturia treat her?

>>4883399
>In the armory. Rhongomyniad is a Lance meant to protect humanity, and this is where weapons can be found.

Seems the most likely so far. This Rhongomyniad has never had any of those things, and so none of them can be her core. She has been a weapon for her entire existence up until the last half hour or so, and then immediately felt the thrill of battle. Her core is a weapon, and weapons can be found in the armory.

>>4883399
>On a balcony overlooking the crumbling city she never ruled.

I'm hoping this is overlooking humans since loves them.

>>4883502
Beacons sound like somewhere a goddess that wants to help Humanity would want to be at, maybe a watchtower?

>>4883505
Like a lance that she didn't like using very much, because the lance ate at her mind.

>>4883505
Rarely used it.

>>4883505
Sealed harder than EXCALIBAAAAAA, used only in bloody emergencies, slew her only child with it.

ah fuck it, need to go to sleep so I'll just throw it here. Maybe someone more autistic will come with a better idea.

>>4883399
>Rhongomyniad was meant to be the light that shines at the end of the world. The void is it, in more ways than one for her now - as both integral part of her conceptual world, and now as sign of the end overcoming her.
Take the leap of Faith and dive into the Void. Her core must still be there somewhere.

>>4883399
>>4883517
Supporting. This and the meadows are the only mentioned non-options.

>>4883514
>>4883513
Did she half somewhere special to keep Rhongo then?
>>4883516
Where was that...was it underground?
>>4883517
I...fuck. If its underground it may be falling in the void.

>>4883479
Can we see anything in the void under us?
>>4883399
supporting this>>4883517

>>4883399
>>4883517
support

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>>4883399
『Rhongomyniad』
Rank: A++
NP Type: Anti-Fortress
>The Lance that Shines to the End of the World.
>A sacred lance that is said to be a storm anchor that holds down the planet itself.

Specifically:
>Its true form is a tower that fastens the surface of the world. Releasing its True Name will change its Rank and Type.

>Even with its thirteen seals, it still remains a pillar shining to the end of the world, glimmering with the radiance of the planet.
>Rhongomyniad is the "pillar of light" that fastens together the surface layer of the world.

It's the tower.

Changing
>>4883412
to
>Ascend the tallest tower

>>4883399
Switch >>4883506 to >>4883532

>>4883532
now i'm split between this or the void.

>>4883535
here is no canon evidence or purpose for it being the void, and SHinji specifically says, with his Instincts, in the update it was bad news.

>>4883399
Switch >>4883524
to this>>4883532

>>4883532
>>4883399
Fine.
+1

>>4883399
fine, switching >>4883520 to >>4883532
but only because Negro is literally friends with Whatis and is sexting with him as we speak

>>4883541
I'm just helping him come up with ideas for his own Fate quest.

>>4883399
>>4883532
+1

>>4883399
>>4883509
Switch to >>4883532


She better be able to change back between spear and human. Manaka will not railroad us. We voted for a spear with a spirit attached by god we will get our Zanpakuto.

15 minutes.

>>4883543
i was joking, no need to get so defensive :^)

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>>4883399
>>4883532
+1.
I can't believe I actually want to save Rhongomyniad of all people.
What a quest man.

>>4883543
Show pics, how big is Niggers tits?

>>4883550
I was actually trying to stealth shill his quest.