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The Grail War continues, but you're finally taking a break, you've got a few relationship issues that you need to sort out before you can truly relax though.

You are Shinji Makiri, Ten years ago you suddenly found yourself with the memories of a complete past life that saw this world as a fictional story due to some unprecedented form of inter-dimensional transportation. Since that day, your new composite being has been working to change the grim future laid out for you.

To that end, you have done much, involving yourself with events and situations that have shifted the future away from the one that you once would have faced and instead onto one of uncertainty and chaos.

The Fifth Holy Grail War lies ahead of you, and the challenge and danger it represents to you, the people you care for and the world itself is far greater than you could have ever predicted. Though the grail might be corrupted and the war itself might be a sham, the stakes couldn't be higher.

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Last Thread: >>4798364
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You put on a serious face. There's no point in keeping the kid gloves on when you're dealing with somebody as emotionally unstable as Tamamo-no-Mae is. The woman is obviously going to be difficult to deal with here no matter what approach you might end up using against her so... "Tamamo-no-Mae. No relationship that has a basis in trickery has ever had any hope whatsoever of being a happy one." You say calmly, and the woman looks at you in confusion. "I know that deep down, you are a caring, loyal and resourceful person, and everyone that looks upon you sees you for the beautiful woman that you are, inside and out..." You look the woman in the eyes, and don't flinch away. "I also know that you're not stupid, and that you must've noticed that I've already given my heart to multiple women." You state coolly, not letting any sort of emotion creep into your voice. "So, please consider carefully, Tamamo. About what it is that you truly desire. Because I... I do desire your happiness too, but not so much that I'm willing to compromise on the happiness of those other people whom I care about." You finish speaking, before you decide to add something else. "Now... I can understand if you hate me for this, or if you want to kill me or never want to see me again for going against the sanctimony of marriage or... whatever it is that you have in mind, but..."

"Stop." Tamamo raises a hand to stop you from speaking any further. "I... I know that your heart belonged to those other women, but I was... I was maybe hoping... I was maybe hoping that it wasn't too late for me..." Caster frowns she adjusts her clothing, which magically transforms back into her normal kimono. "I know what you're offering. And I... I just don't know if I can accept that sort of relationship... But at the same time, I... I don't know. Before we battled against Orochi, it was more like... It was more like I was just clinging onto you, the first human male I had met who I could tell wouldn't shun me for my appearance, and... I was right. But... that's not a good reason to fall in love with somebody, is it?" Tamamo asks a question that she obviously doesn't expect you to answer. "No, It's... it was just something like a childish crush... I loved you at that time, but... I could've moved on quite easily, you didn't occupy my mind at all times." Tamamo sighs as she sits up on her bed to look at you, before she frowns. "But then we fought alongside each other, against an enemy that every fiber of my being feared. Yamata-no-Orochi." Tamamo frowns again. "That Snake God is... something that terrified me... Even with all the power I held, against him... Against him when he managed to begin to return to the power he originally held I was powerless, and... you saved me then."
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"But... Is that really all the reason you have for falling in love with me? That I saved your life?" That's just ridiculous, and you know that Tamamo isn't some damsel in distress that would fall hopelessly in love with anybody just for saving her life. While she might attach herself to the first available person that she considers to be a decent person, she's not really the sort of person to truly fall in love over something so small. As emotionally unhinged as she might be, there's a sort of logic to her actions. Or at least you think that there is. Merely saving her life when she's been summoned as a Servant shouldn't be enough to get her to fall completely head over heels in love with you though.

"No. It's... It's a little bit deeper than that... I think it has to do with my... past self. When you... When I realized that you slew Yamata-no-Orochi, there was something deep inside of me that seemed to become... deeply interested in you." Oh... OH. That's... That's really really not good. "I know that those feelings are something I... Probably shouldn't have, but even so, I'm finding them difficult to ignore..." Tamamo actually looks embarrassed when she reveals her reason for apparently truly falling for you is because you were the one who ended up slaying Yamata-no-Orochi in the end. Even if she wasn't present for it herself, the effect it seems to have had on the woman is completely profound.

"I see..."

>"...Then I'll leave you to make your decision."
>"...Then why don't we go on a date or something to try to get to know each other better? It hardly makes sense to fall for somebody you barely know."
>"...Then let go of those feelings for me, you'll never be satisfied if you can't monopolize my love."
>"...I won't presume to tell you what you should do or however you want to go about this, but... I do want you to be happy, whether it be with me or with somebody else."
>"...If your inner love for me stems from a connection you've made to the brother of Amaterasu to me, then... Wouldn't it be simpler to consider me as something like a younger brother instead?"
>Stroke the fluffy tails.
>Write-in...
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>>4806972
"...Then why don't we go on a date or something to try to get to know each other better? It hardly makes sense to fall for somebody you barely know."


I will kill everyone if we don't get her
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>"No. It's... It's a little bit deeper than that... I think it has to do with my... past self. When you... When I realized that you slew Yamata-no-Orochi, there was something deep inside of me that seemed to become... deeply interested in you."

Oh oh.
OH OH.
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>>4806972
>"...Then why don't we go on a date or something to try to get to know each other better? It hardly makes sense to fall for somebody you barely know."
>Stroke the fluffy tails.
>Stroke the fluffy tails.
>Stroke the fluffy tails.
>Stroke the fluffy tails.
>headpat
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>>4806972
>>Stroke the fluffy tails.
>>"...Then why don't we go on a date or something to try to get to know each other better? It hardly makes sense to fall for somebody you barely know."


>>4806980
I'm very excited to meet her now, gotta wait till tomorrow though sadly
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>>4806981
+1

One stroke for each tail.
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>>4806972
>"...Then why don't we go on a date or something to try to get to know each other better? It hardly makes sense to fall for somebody you barely know."
>Stroke the fluffy tails.
>And the fluffy ears.

>>4806980
Oh shit. Can we please agree to wait for a few years before we go meet Amaterasu, if we ever do meet her? We need Mordred, King of Time with us, maybe Sakura with Independent Manifestation, and neither of them is ready yet. And guys, don't forget Tamamo HATES her past self, and her past self HATES her. We shouldn't do anything that will upset our fox wife.
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I want to use her tails instead of panties to masturbate. Anyone else?
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>>4806972
"...Then why don't we go on a date or something to try to get to know each other better? It hardly makes sense to fall for somebody you barely know."
>Stroke the fluffy tails.
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>>4806991
Support
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>>4806990
Goddamn it! I think your right, we had no choice from the beginning.
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>>4806990
Yeah, no. Amaterasu is interested in us, and people have been considering concepts that could either put Tamamo ahead of Amaterasu, or to reconcile them both.
We'll wait until tommorow, I'd rather have Tamamo at her strongest to deal with Manaka.
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>>4806990
>>4807015
A nice concept could be reconciliation. Maybe that will get her past and present in speaking terms.
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>>4807020
We should use concepts like these more often. They don't cause us horrible pain like the more broken ones do.
I still think we should give Merlin Empathy. He'll thank us. And actually mean it this time.
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Not quite sure why nobody connected that Amaterasu herself would be interested in the person who defeated Yamata-no-Orochi without trickery.
Also, I did give you an out for you to have Tamamo otouto-zone you.
>>4807032
Motherfucker I was just about to post that image.
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>>4807015
We meet Amaterasu the moment we touch Tamamo's core before we can apply a concept. Why are you so insistent on us doing the obviously foolish thing with no preparation, no planning and no bacup again? Do you really want to see us imprisoned in the past that badly? Fox wife overwritten by Amaterasu? Or any other bad thing that might happen when we go meet a crazy goddess in her realm by ourselves? Four tailed Tamamo is plenty strong already, she won't need a concept to stay competitive.
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>>4806972
>"...Then why don't we go on a date or something to try to get to know each other better? It hardly makes sense to fall for somebody you barely know."
>Stroke the fluffy tails.
>And the fluffy ears.
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You might want to discuss where you can take her, honestly.
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>>4807038
Because this is a hell of a lot more interesting than doing nothing for literal years ouf of panic?
And we can prepare for having a chat with her, its not like we have to go in empty handed.
I don't know why you're throwing a fit now, we discussed talking with Amaterasu in the last threads, the only reason I'm not voting to do it now is because we promised not to use magic today.
I'm hoping for them to reconcile, or at least achieve some mutual acceptance of sorts.
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>>4806972
>>"...Then why don't we go on a date or something to try to get to know each other better? It hardly makes sense to fall for somebody you barely know."
>>Stroke the fluffy tails and ears.
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>>4806972
>Stroke the fluffy tails.
>"...Then why don't we go on a date or something to try to get to know each other better? It hardly makes sense to fall for somebody you barely know."
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>>4806990
No, we're applying concept after the date.
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>>4807062
QM has stated multiple times that there are worse outcomes than just getting Dead End-ed.

Getting yoinked out of time and stuck in Ammy's Gay Baby Sun Jail seems like one of those. Let's not go in there without contingencies.
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>>4806991
That’s for after marriage
>>4807056
Maybe dinner and her choice of curiosity on the modern world?
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>>4807069
Stuck in the past? Lot of time until the present comes again? Sunds like time to cultivate in seclusion

But more seriously.
>>4807056
Any idea by anyone? All that I could find that may be pertinent is that she likes cooking, the process itself, not the food necessarily. Otherwise its a mystery to me.
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>>4807056
...why don't we just hit the fucking spa with her?
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>>4807083
Sure? I've seen it said she likes hot spring resorts but not the hot spring itself (no source or cite but eh), close enough. Time wise, is it viable or maybe later?
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>>4806972
>>4806981
Support
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>>4806980
Errytime I see that pic I feel like she's gonna bust out with an Oh chosen undead.
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>>4806972
>"...If your inner love for me stems from a connection you've made to the brother of Amaterasu to me, then... Wouldn't it be simpler to consider me as something like a younger brother instead?"
>Write-in
>Would you like me to introduce you to a more suitable romantic partner instead? I happen to know a fun guy named Merlin.
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Soon?
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Tfw caught up and posted in the dead thread.

Phoneposting pls understand
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>Amaterasu is the one who is truly interested because mythology
Well, damn. That`s interesting.
Have to rethink approach about concepts for Tamamo.
>>4806972
>"...Then why don't we go on a date or something to try to get to know each other better? It hardly makes sense to fall for somebody you barely know."
>Stroke the fluffy tails.
Unless somebody end up having better idea and I will be around to change my vote this looks like correct approach.
>>4806974
Based.
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>>4806972
Amaterasu's a brocon
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>>4807344
Shinto in general isn't big on blood-marriage separation amongst gods. Izanami-Izanagi and the seven generations of gods as the earliest examples iirc.
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>>4807349
I love how the second sentence on Izanagi's wiki page opens with verbatim

>He and his sister-wife Izanami

I love how WhatIs thinks brotherzoning is a way out. It just leads to fetish RP
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>>4807344
And all that incest around is encouraging her.
>>4807056
She will likely enjoy something romantic more than anything else.
Somewhat secluded restaurant and some personal gift would do fine.
Key move should be to make her feel that we are invested in it emotionally.
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>She is typically depicted as a virgin goddess and never engages in sexual relationships; however, there are several myths where she has a consort. There is a possibility she may have been a consort to a sun god. Some telling stories place Tsukuyomi as her husband.

Amaterasu ONLY fucks her brothers actually. Brotherzoning is a requirement for a relationship.

Family tesseract is coming together swimmingly.

Cheeky sleight of hand you tried there with the brotherzoning being an out WhatIs
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If you want to make Amaterasu even more yandere gift her something similar to the imperial regalia too.

Mirrors, swords and jewels will go over best, tofu for Tamamo

My niggerman suggestion of the day is to take Tamamo out to the mapo tofu shop. She'll genuinely enjoy it and it'll be funny to Shinji as well.

He can finally eat some real food that's not sugary breakfasts or neetbars
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>>4807363
Isn't plain or fried tofu for kitsune specifically? If she still plays at being one that is, not that she actually is one.

Wiki (still not cited but I am not trawling through the games) states also that
"It doesn't matter if they are male or female, child or adult, or even a saint or sinner, only their intentions matter."
For Tamamo herself as well, so I don't think being brotherzoned is a thing for her either.
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Tamamo+Ammy speedrun:

Call Shirou, have him trace us a powerful Japanese blade, ideally a degraded Tsumikari Murasama that won't kill him.

Truth it into something akin to the real thing with a decent but not busted concept that breaks Shinji

Do the same with a mirror/jewel, aquire these through yakuza and loadsamonnie, Truth them too

Take Tamamo out for Tofu and have these preprepared gifts all arrive at conclusion of the meal, after she thinks the humble outing is all it is for a big surprise.
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>>4807372
Don't you fucking start now

it's a good idea yes but NOT FOR TODAY'S DATE
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>>4807380
I didn't make it a vote, I'm giving out a guide for future ref. Note it requires prep time, we're unable to do anything right now.

I will probably word something about taking her out to the tofu restaurant for today though when I have a chance to read more on her tastes based on a few stories.

Did you know Nero's favourite snack was honey and pepper on bread? If you ever felt inclined to give her something simple and nostalgic when chatting with her.
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>>4807372
You could probably Truth them the concepts they are usually associated with. Benevolence, Valor and Wisdom
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>Ammy route had Sakura incest route prerequirement
lmao
>>4807372
Just slap divinity to blank katana for more Susanoo vibes
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>>4807393
Ok that's good we should keep that in mind
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>>4807037
>spoiler
Too late for that. Far too late for that. You couldn't have possibly expected anything else. You are not blameless in this. And besides, she can still decide to brotherzone us instead of accepting to share.

>>4807062
We went after Morrigan with no preparation. We applied Time with no preparation. You saw what happened. What more do you need to see to accept that we need to start preparing for shit again instead of impatiently rushing along? Do we need to lose something important? Or will you still be saying we shouldn't pussy out of rushing headlong into danger with no preparation and no backup? I'm repeating myself, but we weren't this reckless once. Why have we become this reckless now, and why are you still calling for recklessness after it bit us twice in a single day? Why do you think I'm throwing a fit just because I'm disagreeing with you? And why have you forgotten I said the exact same thing when we discussed this in previous threads? Going off to meet Amaterasu by ourselves is a terrible idea that might get us worse than dead ended, and I'll say the same thing the next time it comes up as well.

>>4807056
I would recommend somewhere secluded so we don't have to hypnotize everyone we meet or get mobbed by people impressed with her ultra realistic cosplay. Perhaps a walk in the beach? It's winter and it's been snowing, no one will be there. I think she'll still enjoy it.

>>4807372
No. Bad nigger. We're not truthing anything else today. We fucking promised. And we're not wasting our one use of concepts on fucking objects. This is a bad idea both for today and in general.
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>>4807488
>brotherzone
>Shinto goddess
>yakan-kitsune
>Tachikawa-ryu Goddess (Kiara Cult)
Lmao.
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>>4807488
>You are not blameless in this.
But he is? If the players didn't want to say yes than they would have voted for that option the qm didn't push people to vote for what they did.
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>>4807501
Did I say her brotherzoning us would cause her to drop out? Because I don't think I did.

I do wonder how she'll deal with the Kiara cult when we get there.
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>>4807512
>brotherzone us instead of accepting to share.
This part implied it to me,
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Can Sakura host Ammy?
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>>4807502
Tamamo has been acting crazy head-over--heels for us for a while now. People were against her initially, and even WhatIs was surprised we kissed her for the stickers. It's far too late to offer a course reversal now and it doesn't absolve him of the blame.

>>4807515
Fuck, I didn't even noticed how wrong I phrased that. I wanted to say two separate things, possible brotherzoning and possible her not accepting to share. Both are in the cards.

In my defense, I am not a morning person.
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If we retain our virginity how can we use that as bait to draw out kiara herself? I know you guys want to do it but hold off a bit.
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Lads we should give Tamamo Unity concept since she is in sync with Ammy atm
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>>4807488
I don't know what you want fren, none of this is for today.

You critiqued me just jumping into things, so instead of vooting I laid out my autistic plans to be refined, and specifically included prep time and a prerequisite. I honestly think today's time with Tamamo should just be spent grinding bond and not concept autism, which is why everything there cannot be done today.

The ONLY character I can think of who would actually want Divinity is Castor. He could even have Deity, have exactly what he wants the most still and leaves the usually tainted Divinity up for grabs.

Can't win.
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>>4807525
Did you read my earlier posts? Brotherzone is actually a worse trap designed to have Amaterasu herself yandere for Shinji.
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>>4807551
And thats a good thing
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>>4807462
She never actually liked Susanoo because he tore up her palace and literally shat all over the floor after killing her favourite servants.

You want to emulate Tsukuyomi, her actual husbandbrother
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>>4807521
Ilya can eat her
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>>4807561
Well, Tsukiyomi is actually not great as well, as in some versions he killed her friend, the food goddess out of disgust for no good reason, and is the sourcmyth of "no sun and moon out at the same time" as they dont get along, while Susanoo gets forgiven after bringing back Kusanagi.
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>>4807545
You didn't say none of it was for today my nigger. You just laid out yet another autistic plan that would cause us to break our promise and make Sakura and Medea upset again.

And I did say it's a bad idea in general, didn't I? We haven't mapped out concepts for everyone, and we'll be meeting new people later on. It'd be a terrible shame to realize we wasted the perfect concept for someone on a fucking mirror. And I doubt WhatIs would let us cheat on the only restriction with synonyms like Deity and Divinity.

Speaking of objects, does anyone remember what we ended up putting in Shuten's wine? Was it just the concept of Alcohol, or did we use something we might have wanted in the future?
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>>4807571
SHe only fucked one of them though, even after he killed food-vomitchan
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>>4807561
Susanoo's thing was throwing a disemboweled horse at her or something, which is why he was banished and had to slay Orochi for cool points.
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>>4807567
Yakan Illya? Cool
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>>4807573
Poison iirc
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>>4807551
I did yes. I phrased that part terribly.
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>>4807578
Oh right. It melted her insides. Good, we wouldn't have used it on anything else.
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>>4807574
Reading stuff and
>There is so little known about Tsukuyomi that even their sex is unknown.

Okay.
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>>4807573

>>4807372
>>4807380
>>4807393

Read not Sneed

>>4807575
Yeah he's fucking hilarious, what a madcunt.

>proceeded to wreak havoc by destroying his sister's rice fields, defecating in her palace and flaying the 'heavenly piebald horse' (天斑駒, ame-no-fuchikoma), which he then hurled at Amaterasu's loom, killing one of her weaving maidens.[20][21][22]

POO POOO PEEE PEE NEE SAN YOU TRICKED ME IN THE CONTEST CLEAN IT UP JANNIES
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>>4807583
Wish we'd summoned the lad back at Orochis
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>>4807583
>wrecked his sister's rice fields
>shits in her palace
>killed her horse and threw it to one of her servants which also killed her
What the fuck was his problem?
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>>4807582
Use sailor moon stick, Shinji
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>>4807583
I remember one story where he was getting mad or was holding back his crazy so much, it turned it curse gods he vomited up and they escape to wreack havoc or something.
So hes kinda fucked in that he cant even hold his shittery in.
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>>4807583
Prep time and being unable to do it right now doesn't rule out you or someone else proposing it for real later today. Buy anyway, you clarified, the only remaining point of contention is wasting concepts on fucking objects. Concepts are very much not a renewable resource, we should think carefully before we use them up.

And what the fuck was wrong with Susano?
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>>4807589
He's a Storm God whose name is His-Impetuous-Male-Augustness.
He is basically born crazy and unpredictable like a storm. Which fuck shit up randomly.
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>>4807573
>Deity refers to who God is; divinity refers to having the attributes of God - what God does

they're different things too

Who is going to want the concept of Beatification? for example for the mirror.

>>4807589
He was much too based to remain in Takamagahara. He was going to go say bye to his sister before he went to go shit on some plebs, Ammy challenged him to a rigged contest AND broke broke his favourite sword in doing so just to judge his intentions. He got pissed and mogged her good.

>>4807591
>>4807594
kindred soul
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>>4807592
Oh and Ammy bequeathed the regalia back to others when needed btw. They're not "wasted", we'd be making a new TRUTH approved set of regalia for Japan
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>>4807596
Our eldest of the litter with Tamamo will probably get the family heirlooms actually, if history repeats itself and we assume Ammy doesn't wait a few generations to have the offspring interact on the mortal plane considering they would be conceived there this time
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>>4807595
In nasuterms the noun Divinity, as in "The Divinity Amaterasu" is a Divine Spirit which clads itself in human ideation, an imagined or worshipped form, as opposed to just the phenomena itself.

Most are like this, but its a term even so, if it makes a difference.
Gods dont give a shit about others, Divine Spirits are shitty weak ghosts of Gods and may have to give a shit. Divinity is the answer.
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>>4807595
>they're different things too
How would a Castor concepted with Deity be different from a Castor concepted with divinity? Because practically speaking, I don't see the difference.

I don't even want to speculate on who might want Beatification. It's a positive concept so someone might, 10 years down the line, and that's enough of a reason not to use it now on an object.
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>>4807595
You want to use difference concepts for theoretical new Regalia? Use them as ways to influence Ammy/japan prob. Some stuff says that the Valor, Wisdom, Benevolence thing represents like primary virtue type stuff, so concept you put on new stuff might influence the cultural sphere.
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>>4807600
Wrong one
>Beatification (from Latin beatus, "blessed" and facere, "to make”) is a recognition accorded by the Catholic Church of a deceased person's entrance into Heaven and capacity to intercede on behalf of individuals who pray in his or her name.
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>>4807602
Valor and Wisdom are definitely things we might want to use in the future, possibly Benevolence too. And why would we want to give Japan's new regalia to Amaterasu and influence the country like that? Nobu wouldn't approve for sure.

>>4807604
Fucking english
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>Outside of being worshiped as a sun goddess, some have argued that Amaterasu was once related to snakes.[101] There was a legend circulating among the Ise Priests that essentially described an encounter of Amaterasu sleeping with the Saiō every night in the form of a snake or lizard, evidenced by fallen scales in the priestess' bed.[101] This was recorded by a medieval monk in his diary, which stated that "in ancient times Amaterasu was regarded as a snake deity or as a sun deity."[108] In the Ise kanjō, the god's snake form is considered an embodiment of the "three poisons", namely greed, anger, and ignorance.[109] Amaterasu is also linked to a snake cult, which is also tied to the theory that the initial gender of the goddess was male.

Snakechads AAAAA it keeps happening

>In general, some of these Amaterasu-dragon associations have been in reference to Japanese plays. One example has been within the Chikubushima tradition in which the dragon goddess Benzaiten was the emanation of Amaterasu.[110] Following that, in the Japanese epic, Taiheki, one of the characters, Nitta Yoshisada (新田義貞), made comparisons with Amaterasu and a dragon with the quote: “I have heard that the Sun Goddess of Ise … conceals her true being in the august image of Vairocana, and that she has appeared in this world in the guise of a dragon god of the blue ocean.”[110]

>Another tradition of the Heavenly Cave story depicts Amaterasu as a "dragon-fox" (shinko or tatsugitsune) during her descent to the famed cave because it is a type of animal/kami that emits light from its entire body.[111]

Blessing should help the conversations, or may be part of the already existing yan

>>4807600
Almost everyone agrees with character bloat, yes? We don't want a cast so big we need super niche not fitting for anyone concepts though? Is my thoughts on it

The mirror itself would reflect back the concept too remember, it is a functional item that serves a purpose.

>>4807602
Consulting Nobu first then, Nobu actually respects Gods so a little chat between her and Tamamo about the future of their country would be good for diplo autism

>>4807604
I thought it would make a cool artefact to guide the dead if Ammy sets up a Japanese themed afterlife or something.

How about cogitate?

>think deeply about something; meditate or reflect

Gaze into the mirror for proper introspection, self analysis, consideration

Who would want such a niche thing?

Also making a god actually consider and reflect upon their actions might help tone her down a bit
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>>4807610
>Almost everyone agrees with character bloat, yes
And yet people always vote for more bloat. I don't see that changing, and we'll be meeting new people anyway.

>I thought it would make a cool artefact to guide the dead if Ammy sets up a Japanese themed afterlife or something.
Did we not JUST tell Eresh she'd be queen of the unified underworld? Didn't we all agree she was the best possible choice for the job? Can we stick to a plan for more than five minutes at least once, please?
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>>4807610
>“I have heard that the Sun Goddess of Ise … conceals her true being in the august image of Vairocana, and that she has appeared in this world in the guise of a dragon god of the blue ocean.”

Amaterasu/Golden White Face is confirmed Vairocana here, so this might actually be in play.
Tamamo also referred to herself as the guardian of Huangdi's tomb once upon a time, which were Yin dragons guarding the dragonlines. And a guardian of Kunlun specifically.
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>>4807600
Deity would make him a full god, probably with a fitting Authority. It might actually put him an order above his sister as a full deity, reversing their current standing a bit. Not that Pollux seems to care about being a God. He might end up stronger than before he lost his Divinity honestly.

Divinity itself would probably just replace what was lost, and make the two together the original would give him back his complete skill, and making him a full child of Zeus so Pollux wouldn't need to share her Immortality with him anymore.

>their twin sisters were Helen of Troy and Clytemnestra

No wonder Pollux is so qt. If she wasn't an adventurous tomboy people would have been simping enough to start wars over her
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>>4806972
>"...I won't presume to tell you what you should do or however you want to go about this, but... I do want you to be happy, whether it be with me or with somebody else."
>”I know about your inner struggle, Tamamo. Maybe we can find a way to reconcile or protect your self. But that will have to wait for tomorrow.” (Commit to finding a conceptual modification for Tamamo, but not today)
>smile at her “Thank you for being forthright. I knew I was right about you. You do deserve to have your wish, the proper way.”
>hug her

>>4807037
Thank you, OP, you’re the best!
time to waste the chance by local man’s inability to stop saving
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>>4807617
Nasu Pollux and Castor only have that as retroactive origins after greekchads assimilated them, does that matter?
They were nameless gods of St.Elmo's fire personified iirc.
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>>4807614
If there is no niche concept for the bloat to be fed on, it will be a hi, nice to meet you ok go back to your home planet now.

Then your preferred longterm characters keep their screentime anyway. Idk why you'd try catering to something you don't even like?

>>4807619
End it with, lets go get some Tofu, I know a great place and I'll support it.

>>4807620
Thanks I hate it
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>>4807617
What I'm reading is that divinity would be better for Castor then, powergaming aside. He would want to restore what was lost, not gain more.
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>>4807619
Don't really like it desu, so I'll stick to what I voted.
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>>4807619
>>4806972
>>4807622
Oh yes, good idea. tofu is good. Add tofu for the fox.
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>>4807623
I always intended that ye. Deity is to just make something a god, which is also an entity.

If you gave Deity to the scuffed muramasa sword you'd actually make it a God that is also a sword.

Shirou would get erect just looking at it
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>>4807628
>If you gave Deity to the scuffed muramasa sword you'd actually make it a God that is also a sword.
Dope
Lets do that
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>>4807610
>Amaterasu's afterlife

So

Hol up

You tellin me

You sayin

We

We wuz

We wuz Dead End Rins

We Ereshrins 99/100

And we

You followin me here nigga

We lead her on and promise her Kur for the Age of Truth as THE Afterlife for all of a niggas souls n shiieet

And then

Nigga

We jus

We jus

SIKE NIGGA FOX BITCH GOT SOME TOO ISSA PRANK BROOOOOO

nice
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>>4807633
Yandere goddesses fight
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>>4807633
kek

nah I wouldn't actually vote to hurt Eresh like that, she's not worth upsetting.

Just autistic ramblings/theories.

Even if Eresh is in charge, Ammy could rent a domain with her consent though
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>>4807641
Eresh would effectively be the landlord of the underworld, she can charge rent in the form of Authorities from other Gods, as well as the ability for her to actually leave and have holidays to enjoy the surface so she's not a jannie forever like she was in myth.
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>>4806972
>>4807638
+1
You better follow up on godsword saber Shinji idea later
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>>4807619
For the love of god, don't commit to meeting Amaterasu tomorrow. It's still a terrible idea that might get us worse than dead ended. And simple is best sometimes, we don't always have to try for an autistc write in.

>>4807622
>Idk why you'd try catering to something you don't even like?
I'm already catering to the harem, aren't I?

Anyway, let's talk to Nobu about your latest retard autism. She'll shoot it down and that will be that. Or she'll think it's an excellent idea to lean on Amaterasu to influence the culture of her beloved country, and I'll have to begrudgingly accept it. Though I'm betting on a "why the fuck did you think it would be a good idea you Amaterasu simp?" reaction.

And we'll probably get the chance to vote on where to go after the next update when WhatIs collates the suggestions and maybe adds his own, be patient.

>>4807628
>>4807545
Divinity up for grabs means it didn't go to Pollux, no?

And let's not make a sword god. Alcides will seethe, and Alcides is right about the gods.

>>4807641
>Just autistic ramblings/theories.
FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY STOP THAT. Just stop that. People actually take you seriously. Post ONLY the autistic ramblings you ACTUALLY think are good ideas. Filter your autism, please!
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>>4807638
I’d rather not explicitly call it a date desu, even if it’s effectively what it will end up being.
Give at least illusion of opening for this to end in friend zone.
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>>4807646
What the fuck makes you think Eresh would want other shitty gods shitting up her kingdom? And what the fuck makes you think Amaterasu would be remotely as good at that job as Eresh?
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>>4807650
I think we do owe Tamamo a shot at helping her with her personality issues, and it doesn’t specify tomorrow, although there probably is little cause to tarry past honoring our mandated vacation day.
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>>4807659
Morgan
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>>4807662
Ah nevermind, I did. actually use a tomorrow. But still.

Changing to Niggerman’s improved variant

>>4806972
>>4807656
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>>4807650
Divinity goes to Castor, Pollux still has hers, she shares it with her nii-san

If I stopped being able to just shit out theories I wouldn't find this fun anymore and I'd probably leave. I get flashes of inspiration, i jot them down and then clean them up later. I agree with your sentiment on not immediately making them a vote, I started doing that as I had limited time to deliberate on it with people. But I can't just stop, it's part of why I even enjoy being here.

It'll be put through deliberation and critique before I vote on it though, which is actually going to cost my own vote on it a fair bit because I won't be around to support the final draft but enough people gave feedback so I'll make that concession.
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>>4807654
Eresh has ALWAYS wanted a sun authority.

To warm the underworld specifically, it's why she got to close to Nergal, the SUN god only to get dabbed on.. Even with Regeneration nothing is making it any less cold, it's just a refreshing ice bath at the moment full of flowers.
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>>4806972
>"...I won't presume to tell you what you should do or however you want to go about this, but... I do want you to be happy, whether it be with me or with somebody else."
>”I know about your inner struggle, Tamamo. Maybe we can find a way to reconcile or protect your self. But that will have to wait for when I think I can manage a dialogue with Amaterasu.” (Commit to finding a conceptual modification for Tamamo, but not today)
>smile at her “Thank you for being forthright. I knew I was right about you. You do deserve to have your wish, the proper way.”
>hug her
>Let's go out for some food together, I've eaten nothing but sugar and refined garbage for the past few days. I hear Koshuensaikan Taizan does great Tofu

I left the tomorrow in ree
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>>4807659
Date + fluffy tails wins for now, but you might have an autistic write in in your hands if you don't call it right away.

>>4807656
You're still including tomorrow. Why?

>>4807662
It literally says "that will have to wait for tomorrow". Tomorrow is specifically mentioned. And the reason to wait is that we need Mordred and maybe Sakura with us to avoid Amaterasu doing something extremely, extremely bad that we will be unable to recover from. Like deciding to keep us for ten thousand years, or try and overwrite Tamamo to be with us.

>>4807666
I'm not saying you should stop posting theories. All I'm saying is you should follow a very simple process:
A) Come up with theory.
B) Think if it's actually a good idea. You said making Amaterasu a god of the underworld wouldn't be something you'd vote for, so it's not
C) Post it if it is. Come up with a different one if it's not.

>>4807671
She wanted a sun authority. She did not want a crazy yandere with a sun authority to share her garden with. Or are you saying we should strip Amaterasu of her authority and give it to Eresh? Because that's a very different discussion to having her squat in part of the underworld
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>>4807665
Ii left in "tomorrow"
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>>4807671
Rejuvenation, not Regeneration.
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>>4807679
I'm allergic to proofreading ok, you see how many posts I delete a thread

>>4807681
So is it warm yet? Would she still want a rent-a sun?
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This time, I think I'll stay with the simple vote, rather, my main "ehhh" opinion is from the first line.
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>>4807681
Are you calling now? Or should we start switching to autism?

>>4807683
You fixed it, it's all good fren.
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>>4807687
You can have idk, 10 minutes?
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>>4807681
Also seeing as I left like 10 posts in the old thread after you posted the thread change over phoneposting and not scrolling to the bottom

If I made a twitter and messaged you via yours would you be open for a chat about some stuff?

>>4807685
If Tamamo finds another we don't have to deal with this again, I'm fine with it. Less people to have to accommodate for
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>>4806972
Switch >>4806990 to >>4807676
Probably too little time, but what the hell. Let's try.
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bruh my id is MOD

I'm a fucking janitor
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>>4807693
I'm not fine with it if possible otherwise, so alright.
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>>4807699
Theorycraft for Alaya, jannie
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>>4807701
You wanted the fox?

Can't remember which anon was which with the new thread ID shuffle
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>>4807693
>If I made a twitter and messaged you via yours would you be open for a chat about some stuff?
Ehhh...
Sure.
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>>4807703
I actually had some funny horrifying ideas that would help Manaka that I'd written for my own quest :^)
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>>4807704
I did, and do.
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>>4806972
Switching to Niggerman’s fixed&improved variant >>4807676
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>>4807708
I've never used the platform before as I got autobanned when I tried making an NPC numbers type name to shitpost, please hold.

>>4807710
There is still the Ammy speedrun plan that can be undertaken to get her back onside, especially if the concept synchs her properly with Ammy
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>>4807708
Do you take bribes in stolen CS knifes in steam?
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>>4807714
Why would I vote for that, if its a get her back onside? I don't get why I would do that.
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>>4807717
I don't.
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>>4807719
I'm not saying you should, vote for what you like.

I don't mind either way with her so I'm leaving the door open, she can stay if she wants
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>>4807689
10 mins later, the write-in doesn't have nearly enough support. Date+Fluffly tails still wins in a landslide.
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>>4807724
Well you can always talk to her on the date.
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>>4807727
wow slow down aren't you supposed to be autistic
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>>4807730
I'm an autismshifter.
Half of the time I have autism, the other time I slip into the skin of a normalfag.
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>>4807732
Apparently I'm not allowed to message you. @CHowardphillips
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>>4807727
Yeah, I'm not complaining.

>>4807732
>the other time I slip into the skin of a normalfag
Can you maybe do that more than half the time? I like it.
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>>4807735
Russian hackerman black cat
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>>4807737
>Russian hackerman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Phillips_(activist)
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>>4807735
I messaged you.
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>>4807732
Multiple personality disorder
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>>4807732
>WhatIsAQM
>the other time I slip into the skin of a normalfag.
A skinwalker, what is who a QM is
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"...Then why don't we go on a date or something to try to get to know each other better? It hardly makes sense to fall for somebody you barely know." You smile at Tamamo, there's really no point in her just falling in love with you because you weren't repulsed by her, or because you saved her life, or because you slew a monstrous god and it spoke to a part of her that she herself would rather pretend doesn't actually exist. So you want to actually give a reason for the woman to feel the way she does about these emotions of hers, or at least give her a chance to change her mind about you instead of just falling hopelessly in love with a person that she hardly even knows. You'd just feel bad if you kept her in love with you without actually giving her a reason to love you herself. If it's all just Amaterasu's influence conflating your existence to that of her brother's own existence, then it's not fair at all on her.

"A... date?" Tamamo's ears perk up a little bit at that, and you can't help but smile at the sight. You've always found animal ears cute, honestly. Especially on somebody as cute as Tamamo herself is.

"That's right, a date, you don't have any problems with that? At least this way you'll get to be able to properly know me before I force you into making a decision about however you want our relationship to progress at this point, if you ask me, it's the best solution we can go for at the moment." Even though it's less of a solution, and honestly more of a... well, it's a delay to answer, but it does give Tamamo a chance to properly give you an answer that's of her own creation instead of... well, instead of just allowing herself to be emotionally manipulated by her past self, which seems to be occurring to at least some degree here.

"I'm... I'm fine with going on a date with you, of course, but where exactly would we go? I'm... Not exactly the best at picking out things like this, even though it's a wife's duty, I'd much prefer to just cook for you, but... I feel like in a house this busy, that wouldn't be advisable..." Tamamo makes a very accurate guess, and she's really not wrong. An attempt to cook for you could very quickly turn to disaster as attention would be quickly attracted from the other women in the house that are interested in you, and then God only knows what might end up happening.

"Well, if you want me to choose, then I'd have to suggest that we..."

>"...Go to a Mapo Tofu restaurant."
>"...Go shopping, just the two of us."
>"...Just took a walk around town."
>"...Why don't you just cook for me? I can just lock the doors to a kitchen and dining room."
>Write-in

>>Also, if you have anything in particular you want to talk about on the date, please post it.
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>>4807828
>>"...Go to a Mapo Tofu restaurant."
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>>4807837
A mapo tofu restaurant specifically, eh?
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>>4807828
>God only knows what might end up happening.
>"...Why don't you just cook for me? I can just lock the doors to a kitchen and dining room."
God will guide us
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>>4807837
Did somebody say Kykeon restaurant?
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>>4807841
https://youtu.be/6FYT73ROrI0
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>>4807828
>"...Go to a Mapo Tofu restaurant."

>maybe start with smalltalk and the nicer points of what the present year's Japan has to offer.

>As the talk gets more serious make a commitment to help her with her inner struggle, and ask for her input on the possibilities.

Personally I think a way to mend her whole by bringing her personalities to conciliation and fusion would be preferable to obliteration of either or trying to sequester them physically, but I'm thinking this will be for a lengthy and possibly agitated discussion when we are fondling her fluffy core.
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>>4807828
>Write-in

"why dont we just eat in at the local Burger joint?"
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>>4807842
>I can just lock the doors to a kitchen and dining room."
>Medea grinning.png
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>>4807844
Are you sure Tamamo will like Kotomine's extra spicy favorite place?

As for topics for discussion:
Ask her about the fox pup
Ask her how she likes the modern world
Is she getting along with anyone from your faction?
"...I won't presume to tell you what you should do or however you want to go about this, but... I do want you to be happy, whether it be with me or with somebody else."
”I know about your inner struggle, Tamamo. Maybe we can find a way to reconcile or protect your self. But that will have to wait for when I think I can manage a dialogue with Amaterasu.” (Commit to finding a conceptual modification for Tamamo, but not today)

Anything else?
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>>4807849
they serve other dishes
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>>4807849
>"...I won't presume to tell you what you should do or however you want to go about this, but... I do want you to be happy, whether it be with me or with somebody else."

So we're revoting the last vote, essentially?
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>>4807851
I thought everything was extra spicy in there. Do I remember wrong?
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>>4807849
Oh yes, talking about the fox is good idea, as is about her possible friends. Though I guess her insistence on calling us husband probably didn't win her (m)any.
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>>4807854
I didn't say they weren't spicy
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>>4807853
No? She's still not sure, she's still influenced by the past self she hates, we're just reinforcing that we'll support her choice whatever it is.

I didn't remember wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxSgw3XbFS0
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Anyway, time for me to enter the Wendy's Wagecage for a while.
See you in a few hours, I guess.
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>>4807858
I repeat then: Are you ABSOLUTELY sure she'll like the spiciness?
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>>4807863
...like?
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>>4807865
Why do you want to take her there, again?
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>>4807859
I just feel like the wording specifically leads her onto the idea. You could just end it with "But whats important is your happiness", to be truly neutral.
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>>4807867
I honestly don't know. Memes? Kitsune are said to like tofu and fried tofu, mythologically, but I don't think it extends to this.
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>>4807868
I'm not married to the wording as long as we convey the idea. What would you suggest to replace it?
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>>4807869
She's not a Kitsune though, and this is not a normal Tofu place. I'm inclined to take her shopping now.
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>>4807867
Because it's funny and I was more distracted by my chat with WhatIs, he's going to go an hero now though.

Shinji can suffer together, and then they can get Ice Cream to cure the pain
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>>4807870
>"...I won't presume to tell you what you should do or however you want to go about this in any way, the thing that matters most is your happiness"

Or something to that effect? I would've added "the only thing matters" but I am also unsure about that, but you may like that wording more? This would be the most neutral, I feel, and would convey your wish to say that it completely depends on her,
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>>4807865
>>4807867
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>>4807878
I think it's too vague now, since we are talking about her maybe deciding she'd be happier with someone else.

Also, from the wiki
>She likes to cook but not the actual food itself, she enjoys providing meals for her partner and watching them eat it. She also likes to receive presents from her partner but frowns upon cheap gifts.
Shopping for sure. Finally time to flex to someone who will appreciate it.
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>>4807861
Imagine not collecting chinavirus bucks
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>>4807880
I specifically don't want that wording, as I instead think its leading, instead of neutral at that point. Especially after suggesting the date, it would be a weird direction, even if it was for conversation mainly.
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>>4807846
What Burger Joint would that be?
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>>4807885
Wc Dolans
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>>4807886
MgRonalds.
I'm STILL MAD.
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>>4807887
If I ever visit your undisclosed country I can shit on the floor of your wagecage's bathroom 10mins before the end of your shift, ok?
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>>4807885
McAlters, part of Makiri enterprise
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>>4807887
Oh btw I expect Makiri to have that CBT article up asap, it took less for them to make leddit
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>>4807885
Praums (Braums)
Burger Queen (Burger King)
Whataburger (Whataburger)
DairyKing (DairyQueen)
OUT-&-IN (IN-&-OUT)
Jack In the Crate (Jack In the Box)
Williams (Wendy's)

Thats what I was thinking.
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>>4807884
>"...I won't presume to tell you what you should do about what you feel or however you want to go about a relationship in any way, but I want you to be happy no matter what. You deserve to have your wish, the proper way.”
Not sure I like it, but is it better?

>>4807889
>undisclosed country
We know he's a britbong, no need to pretend.
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>>4807897
this is a rp board, ok?
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>>4807828
>"...Why don't you just cook for me? I can just lock the doors to a kitchen and dining room."
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>>4807897
I think "the proper way" is also superfluous, are you attached to that? Her wish is her wish either way.
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>>4807897
I thought he was South African.
He also uses American English, from what I can see
>>4807828
>Shopping
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>>4807902
Not at all. If you're fine with the rest I'll make it official.
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>>4807903
>Dike
COME FACE ME >>4807899 MOD
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>>4807905
Sure. I'd rather not have that line at all, but I'll compromise that part.
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I can't wait for Amaterasu to start calling us Little Brother.
Get dabbed on Hakuno you useless KEKOLD.
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>>4807828
>"...Go shopping, just the two of us."
Tamamo likes expensive gifts. She's the one girl we're taking on a date today who'll appreciate the flex.

>Also, if you have anything in particular you want to talk about on the date, please post it.
>Ask her about the fox pup
>Ask her how she likes the modern world
>Is she getting along with anyone from your faction?
>"...I won't presume to tell you what you should do about what you feel or however you want to go about a relationship in any way, but I want you to be happy no matter what. You deserve to have your wish."
>”I know about your inner struggle, Tamamo. Maybe we can find a way to reconcile or protect your self. But that will have to wait for when I think I can manage a dialogue with Amaterasu.” (Commit to finding a conceptual modification for Tamamo, but not today)


>>4807903
South African is the only other possibility, but I think it's much less likely. Spellcheck/assimilation with internet norms for the spelling?
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>>4807919
>Spellcheck/assimilation with internet norms for the spelling?
Have you ever met one of those perfidious anglos?
They don't compromise.
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>>4807919
>>4807828
+1
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>>4807921
I have, yes. but uncompromising britbongs are much rarer online.
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Tamamo doesn't mention much about her food preferences, but Cat does and is a part of her.

Also, based NP activation dialogue line:

>Yin aura fills the harem. Everyone loses their sanity.

Cat mentions Namasu, which is thinly sliced (typically) root veges with sashimi or other meats. Nothing much else otherwise
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>>4807925
>Yin aura
Reference to being a Yin dragon potentially, or due all the women?
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>>4807925
>She likes to cook but not the actual food itself, she enjoys providing meals for her partner and watching them eat it. She also likes to receive presents from her partner but frowns upon cheap gifts.

>>4807926
Why not both?
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>>4807907
>dike
>female

ENTER
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>>4807926
This yin-yang stuff just reminded me that there are a lot of obscure puns or references.

The interactions of yin(female) and yang(male) birth forth Liangyi, as the interplay of and also as both yin and yang themselves. Another rendering in japanese instead of chinese of Liangyi is Ryougi.
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>>4807828
>>"...Go shopping, just the two of us."
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>>4807925
But unless she vored her offscreen, Tamamo isn't Tamamo Cat
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>>4807927
>>4807936
Cat is the pure, honest side of Tamamo, so I was hoping there would be something leaked through. Cat's Origin is from the OG herself, so she is just going to contain aspects of the original.

See, letting her cook is a good idea if you want to maximise affection, but locking up the kitchen is a probably going to cause problems.

Here's a neat article I found about traditional gift giving in Japan. Nobu would also do well with some points from this as they're namedropped.

https://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1005&context=ealc

Also the links to the Ooku are quite uhh, relevant to Fate considering the cast atm
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>>4807828
>>4807919
Support
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What if Tamamo already summoned and ate three other members of the Tamamo 9 haha?
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>>4807936
Can't Tamamo summon her other facets when she wants?
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>>4807941
They'd try and kill her given the chance
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>>4807939
Cool. Each tail contains an extra spiritual core, worth it.
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>>4807941
>>4807943
Tamamo Vore may actually have happened.
One of those fluffy tails may be Vitch.
Speaking of tails.
Petting WHEN.
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It's kinda funny that this is a very "normal" interaction with a female, and an actual date. Whereas the Medea/Sakura episode was peak autistic retard buying the store then CARRYING it home so he couldn't even hold their hands rather than just paying wagie to deliver. Fucking Spaghetti Pockets Makiri
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>>4807947
We definitely have the schizo part of Susanoo too not just the Orochi slayer. Lets hope we aint getting the rest of him.
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>>4807946
Do you think the tails have their own sense of awareness?
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>>4807948
Are we going to shit on Manaka's floor?

Or will that be the next response to Sakura trying to tell us to rest?
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>>4807948
I am the Storm that is Approaching
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Silk clothing seems like a decent and country-appropriate gift?

Maybe a really good Kimono or something idk what ricemen wear. She's not a big fan of food herself, so the usual Fruit/Meats gifts in Asian culture aren't as good for her.
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>>4807952
Would something modern be better as not to remind her of her court days ala CCC outfit, or would the quality+style outweigh the concern? Maybe just both.
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Pseudo-Servant Susanoo pls
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>>4807952
Gotta hunt for deers on the forest to show ability to provide meat to yakan mother
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>>4807956
Sus.
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>>4807957
Forest gone.
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>>4807955
She needs modern attire anyway, good idea

>>4807957
Cat and Vitchi would appreciate that more
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>>4807960
I'm sure her tails would enjoy it.
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Maybe buy her entire antique store?
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>>4807963
This is autistic.
Do not.
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>>4807947
Yeah, that barely even counted as a date. And don't forget, anons would have cut the date short with almost no interaction with the girls just because they got bored two updates in. Thank fuck WhatIs stepped in to avoid that train crash.

We definitely need a do-over with Medea and Sakura, ideally not with them both at the same time. And hopefully the ADHD voters won't take the wheel and try to crash the ship next time.

>>4807955
Yeah, something modern for sure. And why not both, as you said?
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>>4807960
This is a pretty weird idea and probably for later, but wouldnt Tamamo be one of the few who may appreciate and approve of our idea to gain control of the global economy by taking advantage of it?
Based on her behaviour in Extella and some stuff
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>>4807966
It's something to talk to her about if she ever questions our wealth
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Tamamo is strong enough to summon and vore the rest of her tails right?
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>>4807968
With a 4 tailed base in her pre-established territory of Japan, yeah.

But each one she consumes has Ammy banging at the door in her mind louder and louder
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>>4807966
Are you that anon with excel spreadsheet suggestion from last thread? You want to show Tamamo our finacial assets as a date?
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>>4807970
We'll go chat to Onee-san Ammy so she doesn't vore her own mind.
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>>4807974
There's so much auto-cannibalism/autofellatio in myth
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>>4807971
I'm not, but I was reminded of her empire building tendency from Extella, and I meant more the "take over the world" aspect of it, not the minutae.
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>>4807974
We'll need Time King Mordred with us to prevent Amaterasu from deciding to keep us for ten millennia. Maybe Independent Manifestation Sakura too to threaten her if things go sour.

>>4807977
We have many people in our faction who'd very much like our take over the world plans. The ones who'll be taking over countries, especially.
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>>4807975
Maybe we can offer to create her a body to inhabit ourselves that's not Tamamo?
Least there isn't any chance she won't be up to swallow up her other versions.
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>>4807980
I know being kept by Amaterasu is probably a danger, but I can only hear "opportunity to learn cultivation memes" due to stupid timescale and being kept by a deity that was active in china as a shen and in india.
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>>4807977
Thats good idea
>>4807980
>deciding to keep us for ten millennia
More Manaka preptime?
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>>4807982
Nothing I've read about Nasu Amaterasu makes me want to actually keep her around. I'd rather have Illya eat her and/or give her Sun authority to Eresh if it comes to this.

>>4807983
>probably a danger
That's an understatement. What do you think actually being kept by her means?
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>>4807986
>he doesn't want an Ara Ara older sister type goddess.
Gay
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>>4807987
>he wants the crazy goddess INSTEAD of all the other girls we have
And here I thought monogamyfags were gone.
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>>4807989
I am monogamyfag for ManakaR
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>>4807986
>I'd rather have Illya eat her and/or give her Sun authority to Eresh if it comes to this.
You can't really separate Tamamo from her, is the problem. They are faces of the same being. If you really want to kill Amaterasu, your best bet is an internal takeover by Tamamo supported by Truth+Caster bullshit somehow, otherwise she also dies.
We do have a chance of tempering Amaterasu a bit, though. She changes according to the era she is in, and we are planning on an entire new Age.
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>>4807989
If she refuses to let us go all we need to do is shit on the floor.
If we're lucky we'll be able to use Truth after convincing her to turn into a Super Mode for Tamamo.
I'm sure we can reconcile them with each other.
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>>4807991
Yo that's based.
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>>4807987
Quetzkeks need their bone
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>>4807994
why is POOPOOPEEPEE just so funny?
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>>4807993
That's why I said if it comes to that. Since we can't ignore her anymore, having Tamamo take over would be my ideal solution now.
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>>4807997
I just want to dab on Lostbelt Vitch by having Amaterasu show up.
>>4807999
Ammy hates Tammy for being weak.
Current Tamamo isn't that weak at all.
She also found her a brother to try to sex.
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>According to myth, Astraea will one day come back to Earth, bringing with her the return of the utopian Golden Age of which she was the ambassador.

OHOHOHO

Also, 5 ages of greekoids, 4 of poojeets. How many ages of Truth are we aiming for? Just the 1?
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>Ensure Luvia is wielding Sapphire
>Concept of Star

Now Luvia wears the pants Astraea
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I'm fine with summoning and having the OG voring Vitch, but not Tamamo Cat.
Tamamo Cat is a good girl and did nothing wrong. She doesn't deserve voring.
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>>4808003
Why the fuck would we aim for our age of Truth to ever end?
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>>4808006
All other cycles declined, ours could grow with each progressive age as more fundamental concepts are overwritten by Truth?
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>>4808004
Based god dabbing sticks.
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>>4808005
Tamamo Cat should be given a massive kitchen for a gameshow where those who fuck up the cooking get eaten by her and or other guests. It'll be right up WhatIs' alley
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>>4808008
How would a virgin goddess tolerate the anal bead tail?

Doesn't count because it's anal or?
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>>4808007
I don't see why we shouldn't just have an everlasting Age of Truth that's constantly growing.
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>>4808012
He does love his vore.
>>4808005
We can feed all of the Tamamos but Cat to her.
All but Cat are cunty.
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>>4808014
If all things operate in cycles it might be just easier to hijack them rather than put the effort into undoing such a powerful fundamental rule
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>>4808015
Cat would approve, she hates the rest because she's the only Good alignment of the bunch.
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>>4808016
Cycles gay.
We are Truth.
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>>4808016
Age of Man hasn't operated in cycles though. And even if cycles are fundamental, I say we put in the effort to undo them instead of going for the easier hack solution.
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>>4808019
Stone, Bronze, Iron, Dark, Renaissance, Exploration etc.
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>>4808004
Astra would probably not mind that much. Her and Luvia's personalities are supposedly really similar.
She'd get salty at first, but she'd be fine with it after a while.
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>>4808023
Not cycles fucko.
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>>4808025
https://youtu.be/JELLSqLduAc

>>4808026
Ages are man's equivalent. Go look at any major civilisation rise and fall and tell me that's not a microcycle?
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>>4808023
When did the Age of Man begin in Nasu, nigga? Half of those don't apply and none of them are cyclical ages like the ancient mythologies meant them.
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>>4808029
History revision pls understand it all happened retroactively because people believe it did
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>>4808032
No.
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>>4808032
*groan*

Still not cyclical ages like the ancients meant them. The historians just used the same word to describe periods of time with similarities.
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Another tangent but who gets Xenia?

Greekoid specialised concept of hospitality

>sometimes translated as 'guest-friendship' or 'ritualized friendship'. It is an institutionalized relationship rooted in generosity, gift exchange, and reciprocity.
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>>4808028
Elaborate pls.
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>>4808036
We don't have to use every single greek word, you know. There are a lot of them.
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>>4808035
>>4808028


And Xenia might help neutralise an antagonist me thinks. Force Zeus to offer hospitality
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>>4808036
Would giving this to Jason make him Illya's butler?
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>>4808038
Yeah but it was a fundamental part of old greek society. The word has a lot of power behind it. You were also saying we'll run out of words before. gottem
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>>4808041
It's to show respect and provide for guests mostly

>>4808042
To add, if we need to double up on a concept we can just use another language derivative of it by having a chat with any of the languages currently residing under Shinji's roof
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>>4808039
Why not just force Zeus to be vored by Snek or Illya?
Much simpler.
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>>4808023
Age of Gods relied on the Law of Cycles. Afaik it meant doing magic shit didnt require as much power as it was "do msgic shit>phenomenon appears->mana goes iinto world->mana is available from World again" and that people didnt seek the Root because they were...closer to truth or something.
Authorities needing fuckoff magical energy to use is a new AoM thing.
Age of Man is Law of Consumption. Shit requires energy and using energy has an inefficiency, and people are further from truth, but can seek truth by reducing mystery and making more stuff part of the World.
I imagine a new Age would require at least such a fundamental change.
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>>4808039
>The Greek god Zeus is sometimes called Zeus Xenios in his role as a protector of strangers. He thus embodied the moral obligation to be hospitable to foreigners and guests
Wouldn't work. He already has it, he's still a shitter.

>>4808042
That doesn't mean we have to go digging. None of the Greekoids would be remotely compatible with Xenia.

>>4808044
I don't think WhatIs would let us cheat like this. We had a similar discussion about Dragon vs the greek male "Drakon" vs the greek female "Drakaina" in a previous thread. Words are just labels, foreign concepts only work when they don't label the exact same thing.
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>>4808041
Let's just give Jason something to let him Hero good.
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>>4808045
Butler ZETE in Ilya's mansion is better. She can drain most of him but leave enough that he's still corporeal and Alcides can dab on his cunt of a father
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Would the concept of Hero turn a Servant into their full Heroic Spirit version?
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>>4808048
Yeah, it was a joke idea on my part. He gets some slack for helping defy Ishtar.
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>>4808050
It's a greekoid word already so I imagine it'd have best compatibility with greeks
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>>4808046
The closest thing to this "free energy" stuff in this Age are psychics, who may be some kind of Counter Force reserve force as a just in case its needed thing, and work with distorted Common Sense/physics shit instead of Mystery which is outside it.
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>>4808054
Not a problem.
We are Truth.
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If the problem is limitations with AoM, and Alaya is mankind, can we just imbue Perpetuality or something more fitting to fix it?
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>>4808059
on her specifically, I mean.
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>>4808049
No more Gods.
Illya.
Turn him into a powerup.
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>>4808068
It might cuck Alcides' NP though if ZETE is deleted.

Unless he now just channels swole thundercock Ilya?
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Can Illya vore Chaos?
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>>4808073
A God. Vored. Digested.
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>>4808073
Nrvnqsr? He's not a god, and she's a bit too late for that.
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>>4808082
Based Sakura vorefriend.
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Fact: Vorechads are the only group powerful enough to stomp Haremfags by turning 3/4 of the cast into food.
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>>4808084
bogdanoffs kneel to the vorechads
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>>4808086
snakechads are a close second in hierarchy
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Quick rundown on the Vorechads?
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Harem Grail Vore
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>>4807828
>"...Go to a Kykeon restaurant."
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>>4808097
Circe, is that you?
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>>4808101
Nah, I'm not a pig sort of person.
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>>4808105
Vorechad Circe when?
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What won...?
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>>4808142
Morgan, Mordred and Vritra
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>>4808142
This did >>4807919
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Dead quest
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>>4808203
No you.
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>>4808109
She was one of the Servants we could have summoned instead of Morgan.
>>4808144
>all three got that they wanted and immediately fucked off
Probably will remain highlight of the "relaxation" day for me.
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"...should go shopping, just the two of us." Tamamo is the sort of girl who actually likes being given expensive things, hell it's even one of her skills that she likes being gifted items, she's probably the one girl who your extravagant wealth is actually useful for impressing, the rest of the girls who have an interest in you don't really have much of an interest in materialistic things like that, you think. Well, Suzuka will almost certainly appreciate being given a cellphone, but you don't even know how interested that the other fox girl you know even is with you yet. Whatever though, she's not exactly as much of a potential danger as Tamamo could turn out to be, especially now that she's revealed that a good deal of her interest in you stems from Amaterasu's feelings, killing Orochi must've impressed that damn goddess. Well, at least this means that if you ever do end up meeting Amaterasu, you won't have to worry about her deciding you're a bug to be squashed. Then again, you doubt that even the might of a goddess with the full power of a sun would be able to physically crush a barrier made of Truth. Only those who wield Truth themselves can damage Truth. At least in your experiences so far. It might be possible for certain esoteric abilities to break or bypass the shield, of course, but physical power alone can never hope to destroy Truth, you know that for a fact. Then again, considering just what sort of abilities that Amaterasu has access to, it might be foolish to think she'd only rely on superior physical power.

"A shopping trip, with... just you, Husband?" Despite her apparent inner turmoil over how she feels about you, it doesn't look like Tamamo is about to let up when she refers to you that way. Oh well, you suppose you can't really complain too much. So long as she can keep herself under control, you don't mind. You just want her to know that she's the one who sought out a relationship with you if things go that way, despite already knowing that your heart is shared by others. So long as you keep things completely transparent to the girls that love yo, then there's a chance that this will all be able to work out.
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"That's right, Tamamo." You take a seat on the bed next to the woman, slowly reaching a hand out towards her flickering and excited looking tails, it's almost as if those tails have a life of their own! "I'll buy you whatever it is that you could possibly want, I don't know if you're aware, but I'm actually one of the world's most wealthy people. Self-made, of course. While the Matou fortune would've certainly made my ascent to the top of the financial world quite a bit smoother, I didn't need it in the end." You started out with a relatively minor amount of capital, and using that you've managed to become a multi-billionaire with multiple projects in the works that could increase your already great wealth by a factor of ten, or perhaps a hundred! "It's what a good date is supposed to do, isn't it?" As you say that, you finally touch one of Tamamo's tails, which rubs affectionately against you almost of its own accord and begins to wrap around your arm, the incredibly fluffy tail is soft and warm. It's a bit difficult to continue petting the tail when its wrapped around your arm, but you manage.

"Enjoying yourself... Husband?" Tamamo looks at you with a wry smirk before another of her tails seizes your other arm. "Do you enjoy my tails, then?" The two tails wrapped around your limbs pull you in closer to the rest of the tails, and it almost feels like one of the tails is softly caressing your face. You... really weren't expecting Tamamo to have sch great control over her tails like this. It's actually impressive the fact that she is seemingly able to use her four tails as a prehensile limb with ease. Of course, hardly useful in most scenarios for her, at least when she isn't ensnaring somebody in them.

"Of course I do, you'd have to be a lunatic to not consider fox tails and ears to be some of the most adorable traits somebody could have." You tell the honest truth to the fox woman, even though she's technically not actually a fox at all, she still obviously prefers to be referred to as a fox. You seem to be quite partial to inhumane traits and features on women, you've always been this way, you suppose. It would probably be better to keep these preferences to yourself though.

"You... you do?" Tamamo clearly wasn't expecting you to have such kind words to say about her physical traits, and you can sort of understand why. While she was alive, those traits of hers led her to her death, when she was exposed as what she was, she was driven out and slain. Your happy acceptance of her tails along with calling them adorable cause her to seize up just long enough for you to extract yourself from the stunned tails.
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"Do you really need to ask a second time, Tamamo? Your tails and your ears, they only enhance your beauty." You punctuate your point by reaching up to the top of her head and gently stroking her right ear, which wiggles in excitement at your touch. Cute. "Anyway, shall we be off? I'll drive us, I've become something of an expert driver as of recent." Thanks to Pegasus kindly accepting you as a rider, you were given the authority and skills needed to ride upon his back, as well as the backs of any other magical beasts that you might attempt to ride.

"Yes. I'm... I'm looking forward to this. Our first time doing something together... with just the two of us." Tamamo is very much the sort of woman who would prefer to monopolize your love, but... well, things have just developed in such a way that being with a single girl is simply not something that is possible for you anymore, and while attempting to make everyone who wishes to enter a romantic relationship with you is happy is effectively guaranteed to be far less satisfying for you personally than merely having to love a single girl or perhaps even two or three, you just want everyone to be happy. If that happiness involves having their love accepted by somebody, then you'll be that person.

After a short trip to your garage with Tamamo following happily behind, you soon find a vehicle to drive, a luxurious Mercedes. Politely opening the door for Tamamo to get in before taking the drivers seat, you set off towards the city. It's a shame that the premier shopping center is going to be shut for the next few weeks thanks to Shuten's actions, but you still have options. As you drive, you decide to make some conversation with Tamamo. "That... Fox pup you had me adopt, it's... clearly not a normal fox pup, is it? Does it have a name?" You decide to ask Tamamo about the fox that is also her Master.

"Ah! She does have a name yes, it's Tetsuka. So... you decided to adopt her, then?" Tetsuka? That's a pretty name.

"Of course, I know what I promised to you back then, and while I have no intention of allowing you to die or disappear, I just... well, I just felt like adopting her, OK?" You don't have to explain yourself to anybody. Certainly not the woman who pulled off a shotgun adoption on you. Though she hopefully feels bad about doing that to you now. She'd probably feel even worse if she realizes that her actions managed to get you hurt through having to use the Kaleidostar to escape from her... You still need to find Amethyst, where the hell is she?

"That's great! But... I hadn't even told you what she really was, or... well, how she summoned me." Tamamo is clearly offering to talk to you about her summoning, and you're glad. You have been interested in how Tamamo ended up getting summoned in the first place.

"Well, we have some time before we arrive, so why not recount the tale now?" You encourage her to tell the story of her summoning, so Tamamo takes a breath.
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"When I was summoned, I realized my Master had clearly summoned me by accident, without a circle, even, purely by instinct. She was trapped in a workshop of a magus underneath a small cabin a few dozen miles outside of the city. She's... not a normal fox, as you might've guessed. Somehow, this magus had managed to get his hands on what may well have been the last living Kitsune on the entire planet, a pregnant mother." Tamamo's face scrunches up in disgust. "He was using Tetsuka's siblings in some sort of experiment, and by the time I was summoned, that Kitsune and all of her children except one had been killed. Tetsuka was the only one of her siblings left alive." Her faces turns deathly cold. "I avenged my Masters family, I cursed the magus in question with magic that would ensure that he would be engulfed in inextinguishable flames that would cause him a day of immense immobilizing agony before the curse would allow him to die." Tamamo reveals a dangerous side to her personality, and you really can't blame her. You would've probably done something similar. God, you hate magi. "After I avenged her family, I decided to travel towards the city of the Grail War itself, and... well, you're mostly familiar with the rest, though because of my... well, compatibility with my Master, I was summoned with a great deal more of my power than I would usually find myself with, I believe it might have something to do with her potential, too." Tamamo's story is actually quite quick, seeing as you didn't interrupt the tale. Even if she herself isn't a Kitsune, it must've tripped some sort of emotion inside Tamamo to see a heartless human bastard torturing an experimenting on a newly born batch of Kitsune. You don't know how such an animal managed to survive up until the modern era though... Perhaps there's a place somewhere out there in the forests or mountains of Japan that still clings onto the mysteries of the past...?

"That's... I'm sorry that you had to see the cruelty of humanity at its worst once again, Tamamo." You're glad that she dealt with the man, but you're still sorry that she had to deal with such scum in the first place. If you were in charge, that man would've certainly been hunted down for excessive cruelty against life.

"It's alright, Husband. I know that not every human is like that. After all, I've met you, haven't I?" She has a melancholic smile on her face now. Just as the two of you finish up talking about the story, you pull up in a car park and get out of the car quickly, before helping Tamamo out of the car. It's really not needed at all. Tamamo is a Servant, so she could probably flatten the car with nothing but physical strength if she wanted, but it's the thought that counts, you think.
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"W-well, we've arrived in town now, Tamamo, so let's... let's go shopping, shall we?" You smile at the girl as you start to lead her into town proper. "So... other than your experience with that terrible magus, how exactly do you feel about the modern world?"

"I believe it's far superior to the age I came from. Honestly! I can walk around freely without even bothering to disguise me, and people just call me a 'cosplayer'! I don't even know what that word means!" Tamamo has a happy smile on her face. You were kind of expecting her to hide her tails and her ears, but... well you suppose that it doesn't matter, it's true that most people will see her and automatically assume she's dressed up as some sort of anime character or something. "I only visited the city properly before I met you, and I enjoyed the experience! People didn't shun me or fear me!" Well, they won't unless you start openly wielding magic, not in Japan at least. She probably still would've received more than a few concerned stares from the populace, but nothing like she might've received elsewhere, and especially not like anything she would've received in her era, where an army was sent after her just for her appearance. Still, Fuyuki City isn't exactly Akihabara... Maybe you should take your Servants to Akihabara sometime after you resolve the war. It's a place that they can freely wear their Servant clothing without worry of standing out too much. Though somebody like Vritra would definitely still stand out massively.

"Well, I'm glad that you like it, at least." Really, there's a lot to like about the modern world if you aren't obsessed with battle, and Tamamo really isn't the sort of person to have such an obsession at all. For her, the modern world is about the best world she could've been summoned into, even if it was for the purpose of fighting in a war. "Is there anybody at home that you're getting along with?"

"Not... really... Not yet. I haven't really spoken to many people there yet, though I suppose I had a somewhat nice chat with that Archer... Karna, that's what his name was. He's really not the sort of person who enjoys talking though it seems, so I felt like I had to lead him every step of the way while I was trying to talk to him. I guess I just felt a sort of connection to him, I suppose it must have something to do with his own connection to the sun." Tamamo smiles weakly. "Still, it was a real chore getting him to focus on the conversation at hand, and then his Master called him off to go and do something!" Tamamo sounds kind of annoyed, but honestly, you kind of feel bad for poor Karna. He's really not the sort of person who 'gets' small talk.
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You start to wander around a clothing shop with Tamamo, who starts looking at a collection of cute looking dresses. You take a deep breath as you approach her as she looks through the dresses "...I won't presume to tell you what you should do about what you feel or however you want to go about a relationship in any way, but I want you to be happy no matter what. You deserve to have your wish." You remind Tamamo that you're after her happiness, and if she doesn't think that she'll be able to achieve that happiness through this relationship then there's no reason for her to continue with this date. You just want her to be happy, after all, and if that happiness requires her to be in a singular relationship with a husband entirely devoted to her, then you simply can't grant that wish.

"I'm grateful that you seem to prioritize my happiness so much. It's no wonder that you've managed to make so many women fall for you..." Tamamo frowns before she speaks again. "You know, I never expected to ever meet somebody who would enter a relationship with multiple women for their sake instead of his own, but... I can't help but feel like you're telling the truth to me when you say that's what you're after. You're just... the sort of person who can't be happy unless you make everyone happy, aren't you?"

"Well, not everyone... Only the people that I care about, but... essentially, yes." You could've sought out to achieve ultimate power for the sake of it. You could've sought to recreate the world itself in your image to be worshiped as a god, but at the end of the day, you only wanted the people you cared about to be happy. You're a little bit like Shirou in that way. You doubt you'll be able to find true happiness unless the people that you care about are also happy, and while you don't want to save 'everyone' you want to save 'everyone' relative to you.

"And you care about me too, then...?" Tamamo is just confirming, and you nod, no use lying about something like that. It's pretty obvious to anybody involved that Tamamo is somebody that you consider important to you just as much as the rest of your allies. Her relative newness to the faction and her original antagonistic approach to you haven't diminished your care for the fox woman.
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"Of course I do, in fact... I wanted to say something else..." Tamamo cocks an eyebrow. "It's about... well, your other self. Who you once were. Amaterasu. I understand the amount of power that goddess has, and how much of a danger she is to you even now. A sort of inner struggle. Maybe... Maybe together we can find a way to reconcile you with Amaterasu, or maybe protect you from her... I think that I'll be able to manage a dialogue with that woman at some point in the future." Tamamo smiles at you for making what would normally be an incredibly foolish commitment. Amaterasu is really not the sort of being that it's a good to just... go to meet, like you're suggesting. Even with Truth on your side, for as comfortable as you might be with its defensive power, you might still end up being crushed underfoot by the goddess before a reaction is even possible.

"I'm... glad that you knew about that..." Tamamo sounds awkward. "But... you're right, we should do that in the future, for now, which of these outfits do you prefer...?" Tamamo hands you a selection of outfits to assess, and you look over the five ensembles of clothing. "Which is your favorite?"

>"This blue ballgown, I think you'd look lovely wearing it."
>"This business suit, for some reason, I think it would suit you."
>"This casual outfit is the best, jeans and a t-shirt with a fox on it. The cuteness is matched by the simplicity."
>"I'd like to see you wearing this bikini, who cares if it's winter? I have an indoor pool."
>"Wait a second... where did you even find a bunny suit?!"
>Write-in...
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>>4808237
>>"This blue ballgown, I think you'd look lovely wearing it."

classy!
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There we go, an update that is 3250 words long
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>>4808237
"Wait a second... where did you even find a bunny suit?!"
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>>4808237
>>"Wait a second... where did you even find a bunny suit?!"
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>>4808237
>"Wait a second... where did you even find a bunny suit?!"
>"And don't foxes hunt rabbits? Wouldn't this count as a disguise for you?"
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I think the only ones that are bait are the bikini due to not being the right environment, and I am leery of the business suit solely due to the existence of Vitch. Otherwise it would be good.
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>>4808237
>This business suit, for some reason, I think it would suit you."
Let's outfit fucking everyone in all manner of expensive, colorful suits. Dark blue or purple would fit Tamamo best. Servant Yakuza is a fucking GO.
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>>4808247
This IS a good argument though. And all the tails were part of Tamamo to begin with.
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>>4808247
No
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>>4808237
>"Wait a second... where did you even find a bunny suit?!"
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>>4808247
>Everyone else wearing a suit
>Nobu shows up
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>>4808252
>bunny suit coomer voter is against good, sharp fashion that fits our illegal oranization motif
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>>4808237
>"Wait a second... where did you even find a bunny suit?!"

Bunny suit is immortal. Maybe Mordred or Aroria will see it and decide to use it.
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>>4808237
>This business suit, for some reason, I think it would suit you."
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can anyone see my vote or did this retarded site eat my post again
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>>4808237
>>"Wait a second... where did you even find a bunny suit?!"
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>>4808237
>This business suit, for some reason, I think it would suit you."
i assume my vote was eaten so i'll post again, disregard if the lost one comes up
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>Medusa lost another card she could have played
Sad.
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You just can't resist, can you?
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So Ruler Tamamo?
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>>4808276
Absolutely not no

>>4808275
She can still play that card
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>>4808272
>business suit
>s u i t you.
Hmmmm.
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>>4808280
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>>4808283
What seems to be the problem here?
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Do you think she turns into Vitch if we give her a suit?
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Hard choice between enabling Tamamo playing OL Secretary or just letting her do bunny suit tease.
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>>4808297
Not really
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>>4808237
calling in ten.
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Can we ask Tamamo how she feels about the Nine?
I'd rather avoid accidental voring if possible.
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>>4808306
t. seething coomer
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>>4808296
if she does, we choke her.

suffer not the vitch to live
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>>4808237
>"This business suit, for some reason, I think it would suit you."
I couldn`t resist going for a pun.
>>4808282
She can also pretend to be MECHACHAD.
>>4808306
But think about Tamamo trying to measure our finance empire.
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>>4808275
>>4808317

Medusa activates something wild.
How can she be so good!
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Remind me why we were guilted into maining Sakura again? So many better waifus, even Medea is better.

>>4808275
Nice.
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>>4808321
What does it matter? We got Sakura AND Medea, so we win completely.
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>>4808323
Notice how he's been super quiet since the Tamamo date started? You're probably right.
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>>4808320
>>4808323
I don't think that it was samefagged into oblivion.
Sakura is a good girl.
Don't bully her.
She's just learning to deal with your self-destructive autism.
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Bunny suit is winning.
Gonna call?
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>>4808320
>"Don't make me samefag this into oblivion"
>deletes the post
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>>4808320
Don't even think about it.
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>>4808319
It is shame that after rescuing her she got nothing to do and now she busy with babysitting her sisters in the attic all day.
Maybe Sakura will follow up on her idea and bring Medusa for faction building.
>>4808321
>Remind me why we were guilted into maining Sakura again?
It was hard to resist not going after Tiamat`s powers and judgment was that Sakura need some encouragement for it.
At least Gil got his Clae back.
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>>4808333
I deleted the wrong post... I'm sorry
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>>4808237
>This business suit, for some reason, I think it would suit you."
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>>4808336
>It is shame that after rescuing her she got nothing to do and now she busy with babysitting her sisters in the attic all day.
Honestly, you really should've voted to do something nice for Medusa.
She loves you so much that it's represented in her skills.
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>>4808336
Sakura is a solid meh from me at most, but Tiamat kinda boosts her standing a lot.
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>>4808335
Like three posts in a row voting for bunny suit are 2 post ids anyway so like, this vote's skewed either way. Coomers gonna use four different devices just to get their coomvotes in anyway. Just call it, any semblance of fashion has been abandoned for obvious, pointless lewd interactions that lead nowhere, this is the level of the average voter for this quest during the actual downtime.
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>>4808342
We still have to go racing.
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>>4808342
We will when it's time for her date
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>>4808343
Agreed, the only person I even see shilling for Sakura these days is that one guy. A lot of anons seem kind of turned off by how pushy she is.

>>4808342
We need to see Medusa.
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>>4808346
Anti coomer seething. Also it's a new thread you fag
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>>4808350
>400 posts
>new thread
So you admit to only have any relevant input when it comes to coomvoting? Good to know, samefag.
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>>4808352
Rentfree
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>>4808354
Tranny
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>>4808349
There's a way to get her to chill out just a bit, I think you know what it is.
She just wants what is best for you and really doesn't like seeing you get hurt. This whole grail war has got her kind of on edge because she fears you dying more than she fears dying herself.
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>>4808342
I think I only caught up schedule vote by the end of it and the only other popular option other than Sakurautist`s one was interacting with Jason.
Schedule adjustment failed like two times already? I would love some time with Medusa and check how her sister are doing right now since I am still curious how our power end up affecting them in the long run.
>>4808343
Pretty much this.
WhatIs did improve my opinion on her though if only a bit.
>>4808347
Yeah, we promised her that.
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>>4808355
No u
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>>4808356
We should tell Sakura about our dealings with Alaya, Nyarly and God. Or at least the Abridged versions, just to calm her down and show her just how stacked our deck is, for now. We're in no danger of dying, metagaming aside.
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>>4808349
Yeah I really wanna see Medusa maybe when we go shopping we can focus on her

>>4808356
I always assumed she'd relax after the HGW, it is in character for her to act this way as HF shows us

>>4808321
She's cute and deserves to be happy
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>>4808359
Or do Eresh's underworld plan as soon as we can. That way all our allies have a safety net.
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>>4808362
Speaking of underworld, maybe we should meet with Asclepius since he can resurrect people
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We have to create a kitsune reservation now.
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>>4808365
Dude still needs the soul around, so being very quick or an underworld is around.
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>>4808237
>"This business suit, for some reason, I think it would suit you."
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>>4808372
Samefag
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>>4808370
For all 1 of the Kitsune left alive on the planet?
Or are you just going to try to snag some from the Reverse Side/INS connections?
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>>4808373
retard esl
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>>4808376
Writting?
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>>4808376
Yes
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>>4808321
>>4808323
>>4808328
You bitch when I'm here and talk, you bitch when I'm too busy to participate. Today's schedule was my proposal, resolving the Shinjibowl peacefully now was my proposal, the dates were my proposal, even the topics for this conversation were my proposal. You don't see me bitching that Satsuki and Tamamo got much nicer dates that Sakura (and Medea) did, she was the only girl whose heart we broke today and you fuckers are STILL bitching about her? You haremfags should be fucking thanking me for all I've done to make this work. What THE FUCK do you want from me?

>>4808335
Funny that the guy threatening to samefag (and almost certainly already doing it) is accusing me of the same. Oh, wait, that's batman. Nevermind.

>>4808361
>She's cute and deserves to be happy
She is and she does, anon.
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>>4808376
We'll find a way to raise more of them.
We must secure the existence of kitsune race.
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>>4808385
>You haremfags should be fucking thanking me
No, we just really want you gone. You're the antithesis of what people on this site are, and would find many better connections on Spacebattles.
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>>4808386
It's called "having grandkids". Just a matter of Time now.
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>>4808376
For our adoptive daughter so she has a realm to be a matriarch of.
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>>4808389
You're not getting rid of me that easily anon. You'll have to cope.
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>>4808237
>"This business suit, for some reason, I think it would suit you."

Better late than dead
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>>4808385
This is why people don't like you in this quest. As soon as someone doesn't like your girl you flip out and autistically screech against people who have criticisms or don't like Sakura. It was actually refreshing without you posting like 3 posts every 10 or 20 minutes in a thread.

>>4808389
Based.
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>>4808396
Shoo
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Why would be put someone with tails in a suit. That's stupid as fuck.
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>>4808356
I hope she does have an attitude adjustment after the war then, she's becoming more Sakurautist's waifu instead of a waifu that is appealing to all anons following the story.
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How would Medea feel about concept of Family?
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>>4808385
This >>4808398
I would have no problem with you if you didn't start whining like an autist everytime someone did something you didn't like or disliked something you do.
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>>4808406
Yeah, she should just fall in line and accept everything we say with no argument, like a proper waifu should.
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>>4808407
She wants many kids and a loving husband.
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>>4808398
It's actually worse because Sakura is very clearly the main girl but he still fucking bitches
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>>4808406
Let's kill her off, there's enough of us to make it happen.
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>>4808412
Sakurautist wants this to be his self insert quest so bad and it shows. Even the other name anons aren't this bad.
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>>4808413
laying it kind of thick there, Batman
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>>4808415
Yeah, batman and nigger are based and redpilled
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>>4808417
Batman wanted her to be amputated and a breeding sow
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>>4808420
Based.
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Date with Medusa.
Trip to bookstore and coffee shop.
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>>4808426
Trip to the doctor's after we knock her up.
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>>4808426
>>4808431
Unbelievably based and both has to happen. Medusa is underrated.
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>>4808408
Curious that it's always just a few low-post ids bitching.
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>>4808435
Not everyone is on bong time
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>>4808435
Its a new thread, not everyone has the time to no-life post 100 gorillion posts about autistic meta gaming that usually doesn't happen. Deal with it.
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>>4808426
>>4808431
Fucking based, now I wanna take an extra day off just for this
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>>4808440
Based
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>>4808435
Half of your posts are bitching, blogging and attention whoring. I value any of the 3 to 6-post anons who only vote over your presence in this quest. You are a detriment and a shackle to the character and plot progression to Shinji, Sakura and several others, and you suck all the fun out of voting when you throw your childish temper fucking trantrums. Take your Risperdal and fuck off.
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Stop fighting.
It's distracting me.
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>>4808453
Sorry WhatIs, should've just let them seethe and bask in happiness at another date going well and the Shinjibowl getting resolved peacefully.
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>>4808447
Based
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>>4808453
Unbased. Back to writing, slave.
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>>4808453
This picture makes me want to go to the clock tower in the form of a child, maybe ask gilgamesh for the same elixir he used to go child.
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>>4808447
Turbobased, we need more people like you in /qst/.

>>4808460
Smol Shinji was when we ran away with Monica right? I wish we got to spend more time with her...
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>>4808460
I don't think our wives would approve.
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>>4808462
/ss/
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>>4808460
We're gonna get passed around and molested if we do that
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>>4808462
our dick will probably still work.
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>>4808462
Are you a betting man?
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>>4808463
Good.

>>4808464
Anon, half of the girls in our harem are older women. Toukou would especially appreciate having a chance to ara-ara young Shinji-kun again.
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>>4808465
That boy doesn't look old enough for that, illyafren.

>>4808466
I am willing to bet on this, yes.
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>>4808468
Heck, even sakura would like to ara ara us and tiamat too.
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>>4808462
They will take advantage of it just as they would with Magical Girl Shinji-chan. You are clearly forgetting who you are dealing with here.
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"Wait a second... Where did you even find a bunny suit?!" You look at the skimpy looking outfit that you'd more likely see being worn by women on the front of an adult magazine than anywhere else. Is she really offering to wear this here?!

"Oh... you think it's too much? I got it from that section over there..." Tamamo points out a section of the shop full of lingerie and other bedroom clothes. "If you think it's too much, I'll put it back, but..." Tamamo looks a little bit disappointed with your reaction to the outfit she picked out for herself.

"Actually..." You stop Tamamo from returning the bunny suit. "I was... maybe wondering if I could see you wearing it?" There's a faint blush on your face as you request to see Tamamo wearing the bunny suit, and the previously anxious expression of the fox woman turns into one of total smugness.

"Mikon~! I absolutely can, Husband!" Tamamo quickly takes the bunny suit back out of your hands and scampers off to a changing room in order to get dressed into it. In the meantime, you pay the cashier for the four outfits you're currently holding and have him bag them up for you, in addition to paying the extra for the bunny suit. You're pretty certain that Tamamo would look great in any of the outfits she showed you, but the bunny suit was simply one that you wanted to see her wearing the most... Can you really be blamed? How many men would turn down the opportunity to see a beauty in a bunny suit without having to question their own masculinity?

You wait for some time often taking glances towards the changing room, yet not seeing Tamamo around them. Hasn't it been just a little bit too long now? Is she maybe having trouble putting on her outfit? You briefly consider maybe checking to see if anything has gone wrong, but you resist for another minute before you start to worry. Could something have happened? Could an enemy Servant have attacked her while she was alone? No. No, you're just being paranoid.

Another minute passes, still no sign from Caster. Your worry is building by the moment, could she really have been attacked? It shouldn't have taken more than a minute or two to put on that bunny suit, and it's already been closer to about seven! Something must've gone wrong! You need to make sure she's alright, don't you? You can't just stand by when she's in danger! But... What if she's not in any sort of danger, and she's just struggling to put the bunny suit on for whatever reason...? Gah!

>Just wait for her to come out, you're just being paranoid.
>Use the Tamamo Sticker to talk to her.
>Rush into the changing rooms!
>Write-in...
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>>4808477
Prostate stimulation is based
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>>4808473
>That boy doesn't look old enough for that, illyafren.
there is no need for worry, gilgamesh probably has as potion for that.
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Carnival Phantasm where we accidentally drink Gil's shota potion
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>>4808479
Rush into the changing rooms
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>>4808479
>Rush into the changing rooms!
She's probably baiting us. We should bite.
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>>4808479
>Use the Tamamo Sticker to talk to her.
We promised not to jump into danger.
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>>4808482
Ah.
The Groomers strike back.
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>>4808484
Based, for once.
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>>4808482
No no no. Carnival Phantasm where Touko accidentally drinks Gil's youth potion.
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>>4808479
>>Rush into the changing rooms!
We cannot let this opportunity go to waste.
She probably is only having problems with the tails, i guess.
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>>4808479
>Rush into the changing rooms!

Its either an actual ambush or shes baiting us to go inside. Win-win?
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>>4808488
She'd just kill herself and get a new adult body.
Unless it was on purpose.
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>>4808479
What's with these extreme options? write-in time
>Approach the changing rooms
>"Tamamo, is everything okay?"
>If there's no response, rush in, and if she's not there reach out to everyone via stickers
>If there's a response simply wait outside, horny fucker.
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>>4808485
Tamamo sticker broadcasts to everyone anon. Are you sure you want to tell them Tamamo is having trouble when putting a bunny outfit in the changing room?
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>>4808479
Do we have free stones with us to check with Rune Magecraft?
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>>4808492
Not after getting headpatted by Shinji
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>>4808479
>>Rush into the changing rooms!
Take the bait
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>>4808479
Switch >>4808484 to >>4808493
The sensible option
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>>4808495
>"Tamamo are you alright in there?"
Boy that was fucking hard.
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>>4808496
You didn't bring any components for magic with you.
You'll have to bail from the store to go looking for the right types of pebbles like the world's most autistic man.
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>>4808493
Here we see "ignoring the hint 2.0:Fluffy tail var.", a continuation of "ignoring Neco-Arc".
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>>4808507
We can break one of the walls in store to get some stones.
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>>4808492
>resigned to having been kept from the ranks of wakame kun’s wives by her facade and wakame’s respect for their relationship, Touko decides to instead join ranks of his daughters instead

>>4808479

>Just wait for her to come out, you're just being paranoid

>>Just wait for her to come out, you're just being paranoid
Everything is daijobu. She’s just taking her time. Medea is surely providing overwatch. This is fine.
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You ever had sex in a public place? It's great.
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>>4808508
If she wants to bait us, she just won't answer or tell us she's having trouble and we rush in, anon. The only thing changing is that we ask before we do it.
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>>4808511
>resigned to having been kept from the ranks of wakame kun’s wives by her facade and wakame’s respect for their relationship, Touko decides to instead join ranks of his daughters instead
Copycat.
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>>4808520
Orochi was three steps ahead of grandpa all along.
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>>4808479
>Rush into the changing rooms!
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>>4808513
Meh, I’d rather not reward Tamamo’s antics by making her our first. Would be cruel to the other girls, especially Sacchin.
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>>4808479
>>Rush into the changing rooms!
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>>4808520
Grandfather-compound-sama, I kneel.
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>>4808479
>Rush into the changing rooms!
Might as well.
>>4808521
>>4808529
Yes. Now feed your new daughter all those gods. You hate them and she is hungry. Win-win.
>>4808531
Eresh scene 2.0. Two goddesses in a single day.
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>>4808531
Shhh don't try to away anons one way or another, if we get a special surprise out of this from Tamamo we'll see a certain portion of the readers seething and saying "coomer, coomer" because the girl that they want didn't get first dibs on Shinji's virginity. Remember they are okay with harems as long as their girls get favoritism and preferable treatment!
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>>4808526
Could simply say "I don't wanna do it like this" or "I want it to be special"
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>>4808537
Based
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Wow jannies are doing a lot of damage control huh, unless batman is a jannie himself or something? What stakes do Jannies even have in Shinji's quest, we aren't even in the serious raid against Manaka yet.
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>>4808546
He's just deleting his own posts for some reason.
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>>4808546
Jannies are anti coomers
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>>4808479
>Just wait for her to come out, you're just being paranoid
Fuck coomers
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>>4808551
Fuck samefags
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>>4808554
Fuck you batman
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>>4808558
>everyone I don't like is batman
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>>4808479
>Rush into the changing rooms!
You know what? I'm through with fighting against the coomers. I love Tamamo so I'll bite her bait.
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>>4808563
Based
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>>4808479
changing >>4808493
to >>4808563
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>>4808559
Just you. Go neck yourself
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>>4808567
Jesus loves me and you so I'm fine with that
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>>4808569
I ll be happy when you go to heaven today
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>>4808563
Its not even a coom vote, its a give Tamamo a chance vote. I'm also tired or pretending that there isn't an obvious issue with certain people in this quest putting down others who dislike or criticism Sakura or people who would "dare" go through with more than kissing or a date with another girl in the harem because there is apparently an unwritten rule that Sakura or Medea has to get first dibs on our virginity because they are "main wives or broken girls who deserve it". Its illogical and defeats the point of the harem in the first place.
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>>4808573
Based
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>>4808573
Inb4 sakurautist uses the "poll" argument on why they should be head wives again.
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>>4808479
>>Rush into the changing rooms!
I have awakened to bite the fluffy bait
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>>4808573
based as FUCK
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>>4808573
>Date with Shuten
>She just drags Shinjo to love hotel
>The only options are stop relaxing and use Tamamophone or get fucked
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>>4808590
Can't wait
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>>4808573
Drop the act anon, you've already said you don't like Sakura. Just accept that she's in, stop seething about her and stop inventing illusionary enemies to justify your mental issues.

>>4808582
You must still be seething that you're in the minority of haters, huh? And funny that you bring up a vote that I lost when I haven't said anything about it at all.
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>>4808479
Calling in ten.
You hopeless coomers.
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>>4808590
Hot
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I wanna check just in case but she might also be messing with us. Damn she really shouldn't do this in the middle of a war when it could be serious.
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>>4808596
Rent free
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>>4808596
You are part of the problem Sakurautist, and let's be honest you don't have many friends who agree with you bullying others who's #1 waifu isn't Sakura.

>>4808590
Hot.
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>>4808573
Fucking based. Also it's a weird standard to have since uh, Sakura and Medea aren't virgins.
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>>4808597
As if you didn't expect this.
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>>4808597
This is what relaxing looks like. They literally asked for this.
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Coomers rise up!
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>>4808573
Mega based
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>>4808596
Not a hater SA in fact i find you less annoying as of recent threads i just want you to respond to harem arguments properly without resorting to the polls argument that's really lazy.
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I was indiferent to harems before this, but holy shit half of this quest is people bitching about their waifu, and the other are the ones that want to add everything with a vagina to the harem.
I'm legit fucking surprised that you let Shirou have Saber. Doesn't that make you cucks somehow?
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>>4808597
On the serious note.
We already got one date derailed because Morrígan and Cu.
And right now we have few Assassins unaccounted for. It is more than enough reasons to do quick check.
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>>4808611
Coomers are better than people who bully others in a Fate fanfiction quest on 4chan because their waifu preferences don't align with their own honestly.
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>>4808618
No
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>>4808605
>with you bullying others
Your sense of reality is really warped anon. I'm beginning to worry about you.

>>4808615
>i just want you to respond to harem arguments properly without resorting to the polls argument that's really lazy.
Find the last post where I did that. I dare you. It was when I was arguing for making Sakura and Medea head wives, and never again.

>>4808620
I am LITERALLY the reason we are on this date anon. The haremfags would have been content to keep pretending everything was fine. Take your meds.
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>>4808626
>Accusing others of being a schizo
>I'm not bullying anyone!
This is why no one likes you Sakurautist. Tamamo vote will win unless you samefag.
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>>4808627
...I am voting for it too
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>>4808479
>>Rush into the changing rooms!
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>>4808628
>>4808504
?
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>>4808618
To be fair Saber is so fucking boring. Her Alt Lancer version is more interesting because of Boobs. Now Mordred has those so all versions of her aren't needed.
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>>4808630
>voting to ask before rushing in is somehow not voting for Tamamo
This is why I'm saying you should take your meds.
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I love Touko
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>>4808635
>>4808627
Read my > again.
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>>4808618
But most of girls who are interested in us are mostly so because we went out our way to help them in some way major way.
For all coom talks in the threads most of action which lead to getting so many girls were dictated by pragmatism of the moment or desire to help them in some major way because sad backstory or bad fate.
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>>4808634
>Her Alt Lancer version is more interesting because of Boobs.
Boobs make her more interesting? Really?
Like we have a shortage of stacked women.
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>>4808618
Saber is for Shirou anon shut up
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>>4808640
Yeah, pretty much this.
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>>4808642
Hey that's why most people want her. Stacked Saber face for president.
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>>4808635
Those two votes are the same to you. . .?
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Besides reading the quest, people tried to pair Sakura with Shirou. Didn't work out because Shinji flexed.

If this was monogamous I'd go for either Monica or Touko.
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>>4808651
What's the real difference, anon?
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>>4808479
>>4808493
Support
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>>4808640
Alaya having the hots for us is too OP, we could beat Ayaka at her own game.
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>>4808597
I honestly don’t think majority voted this to as much coom as they did out of spite, which is Sad.
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>>4808645
I agree with you. I'm surprised the coomers let that happen. They call anyone that wants to set characters with others cucks.
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>>4808653
>Besides reading the quest, people tried to pair Sakura with Shirou
that was literally never going to happen
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>>4808655
Wait fuck actually scratch that. Changing fucking instantly to >>4808563
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>>4808479
>Rush into the changing rooms!

Screw it if it's a trick then Shinji can always walk. Besides I don't think she has the balls to do anything in public.
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>>4808653
Based taste, Monica misses us and we just abandoned her with Manaka I feel bad Big Mac.
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>>4808654
One takes the bait and the other doesnt. Asking is not that.
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>>4808660
Reread the quest then, you must have missed it. They introduced her to him and had her become friends with him in an effort to pair them. Shinji in story comments on how nothing was coming of it.
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>>4808653
No, it didn't work out because she fell for us day 1 with the crane game, and we were the only light in her miserable light. Pushing Sakura on Shirou was never going to work.

>>4808664
We ask, she doesn't answer or she says she needs help, we still take the bait. What's the practical difference?
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Vote called
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>>4808668
Exactly my point Sakura wasn't a choice she was mostly a guilt trip. With her there no one else could win. Probably why people became haremfags. Their choices had zero chance.
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>>4808653
>>4808663
I miss Monica, can’t wait to get that punk Tesla out of her
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>>4808231
>the tails scene
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>>4808667
yeah that's why i said it was literally never going to happen, Sakura has total tunnel vision for us. Also I think we only really made her hangout with Shirou because we didn't want her to just have us, that was extremely unhealthy
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By the way.
WIth current unlimited time it was always an option to fuck Sakura and Medea after we woke up from being fucked by concept of Time. I don`t think they would refuse.
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>>4808672
>Exactly my point Sakura wasn't a choice she was mostly a guilt trip. With her there no one else could win.
Hauntingly true, and the gatekeeping us moving past simple dates and kissing with other girls doesn't help.
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>>4808232
>Tetsuka
>天星- Tetsuka -. 天 means "heaven". 星 means "star"
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>>4808676
What did you think the option to stay with them in private instead of rushing off was for?
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Monica was fun early in the quest. It isn't even her looks it was the interaction with her. Same with Touko and her Gap Moe.

So far only Mordred has done that for me. Sakura is rarely fun and that's when she gets ultra violent like the BB scene.
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>>4808673
Should we keep Tesla in a puppet body?
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>>4808672
I’m not sure about that... what really locked Sakura in as victor was a power up kiss and a battlefield confession, and I don’t think either were really driven by guilt.
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>>4808685
Keep Monica with that power and put Tesla or whomever asleep. She needs the buff to power or she will be early game Illya.
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>>4808672
You were talking about pairing Sakura with Shirou, weren't you? And what are you talking about now, Sakura didn't have that much support early on or she'd have won before the war even began. Where did you see the guilt trip?

Hell, I've said it before, numerous times, that I'd prefer a monogamy route lock with someone else instead of what we currently have.

>>4808675
Yeah, but after we saw this was hopeless there were proposals to try and get her more independent and they always lost to having us interact more with Rin, iirc.

>>4808679
Where the fuck do you see that gatekeeping anon?

>>4808681
Cute name for our cute fox daughter.

>>4808682
Should've made it more clear. No one picked up on it.
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>>4808687
She wouldn't be able to walk away from Shinji even before that point. Most of the arguments for her was her fragile mental state. The kiss only solidified it on her end.
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>>4808690
>Should've made it more clear. No one picked up on it.
You do know you can just vote for it again after we return from this date?
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>>4808690
I wasn't around that early in the quest to even ask to that.
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>>4808235
Ciel is up to something, thinky thinky

>>4808239
Fluffy tail energy
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>>4808682
>they didn't notice
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>>4808694
People will accuse me of derailing the day for my waifu, thread will turn to shit again, the vote will probably get defeated. I'll support it if someone else proposes it, but otherwise I say we stick to the schedule, lament the lost chance, and wait for the night.

>>4808695
I don't understand what you're trying to say.

>>4808698
No one did, nigger. And you didn't say anything if you did.
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>>4808696
We should really hangout with Ciel, she’s based and we kinda need talk to her about the vampires we're friends with.
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>>4808702
Didn't you say I was trying to ship Sakura with Shirou? I was saying I want in the thread that early to do that.

Sakura was unpopular because she was unstable. Then the harem option came and she became part of the pokemon trainer collection.
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>>4808683
Yeah I agree, I especially liked it when she slapped Shinji out of half losing it when he started to monolog like a crazy person after she got attacked early on. When we save her we need to spend more time with her, she’s the first person this Shinji ever met and has somewhat acted like his somewhat distant older sister
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>>4808702
why would I have said anything in that situation
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>>4808682
And frankly, I knew it.
And I voted to continue with the schedule because I hate it. I hate the schedule.
>>4808702
>but otherwise I say we stick to the schedule
And this is where it gets you.
>>4808703
This.
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>>4808703
Yes we should clear the air about that with her and church Rin. Plus introduce them both. They need friends and to be brought up to date.

Introduce her to SHIKI as well. For a victims anonymous group.
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>>4808712
Devilish.
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>>4808712
Ha ha.
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Lets please just fuck medea and/or sakura later today
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>>4808712
lol amazing, sasuga guy that did meguca vote.
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>>4808720
Just do it at night, make it special. Cook a candle light dinner instead of rushing.
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>>4808720
no. satsuki
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>>4808709
No? You said "people tried to pair Sakura with Shirou. Didn't work out because Shinji flexed.", and I was responding on that. I never said you tried to ship them.

And no one brought up Sakura's instability early on. You're only imagining this, or projecting your own reason for disliking her. Illya is not exactly stable as well, and she was extremely popular back then. The reason no girl won was that no girl had absolute majority and many anons didn't want an early route lock before meeting everyone. The haremfags just took advantage of that division.

>>4808712
Fucking hell nigger, why wouldn't you?

>>4808713
You know it would have instantly won if only you'd said something, right?

>>4808720
You're right, illyafren
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>>4808720
No, buddy, we are sitting through that meeting with Shirou, Shiki and SHIKI.
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>>4808712
How based can one man be?
>>4808713
Who even came up with this schedule?
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>>4808718
We should probably solve Madea's sister's issues later. They suck but shouldn't be stuck in isolation because of their faces.
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>>4808714
Stop trying to get Ciel to fuck SHIKI, she’s for (You)
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>>4808482
outing with the kids and then dealing with GROOM
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One thing that slightly annoys me in the quest so far is that for how many people we have in our group, they don't seem to even try to hang out if we don't prod them to. They just stick to their groups.
Shirou and Saber, Sakura and Medusa, Gil and Enkidu, Ilya and her maids... I wish they'd try to befriend other people.
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>>4808727
Reas through the comments early on. Hell people are agreeing early in this thread. So no projection and I never did I dislike her. Just said if purely based on this quest then she isn't number 1 Waifu.
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>>4808727
>You know it would have instantly won if only you'd said something, right?
Yes.
>>4808729
Sakurautist. And he refused to renegotiate on it.
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>>4808734
>skillet
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>>4808730
Medusa sisters mistype
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>>4808720
We’re gonna fuck everyone except for Medea and make Medea watch it all.

because you leave the best for last

haha just kidding we’re going to end day passing out from exhaustion from guiding everyone separately on trips to town and then in dream sequence pick the Nyarly option
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>>4808728
Asking Shirou for last minute advice for tonight
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>>4808729
Me. There were no objections or proposals for major revisions at the time. The only other proposal was the nigger saying we should visit the Argo. Aren't you enjoying the dates?

>>4808734
It's only natural when in a large group that you stick with the people you already know. You have to be very sociable to meet new people in a setting like that, and most of the people with us aren't really.

>>4808737
>And he refused to renegotiate on it.
Did I?
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>>4808732
Character bloat is the enemy.

Little Ninja goes to create a ninja village after this.

Illya her servants and her family takes over and kills Achy.

Bazett and CU go back to Ireland.

Shirou goes on a honey moon with Saber.

Gil and Enkidu fucks off somewhere.

Find ways to get rid of some of these peple after the war damn it.
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>>4808750
We'll only be bringing a few people with us to the clocktower, the problem will be somewhat fixed.
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>>4808750
SHIKI can have Chiyome and Ibaraki, Ciel is for us
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>>4808746
I had very long discussion about the schedule with you right before that update.
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>>4808750
No. Don’t you know we have to collect them all?
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>>4808754
And do you remember what specific part of the schedule that discussion was about?
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>>4808752
Honestly why don't we bring Ciel with us? There's an easy cover story for it, say she defected from The Church to Clock Tower, Waver can vouch and she can be an Enforcer, we might need some muscle if things get tough, plus I remember Nasu saying something about some spooky ghost in Clock Tower that Ciel can use
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>>4808757
We were talking about semantics.
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We should take a gap year to rest, train and strengthen relationships.

Make a HTC and train like hell until Shinji can beat up Cu. Have Scaryach teach and have Shinji equal to high tier servants.

Church Rin helps negotiate with the church. Then goes off on DA hunts using Rogue god power.
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>>4808762
That reminds me, did anyone from our group get in touch with Miyako? Sun should have kept her safe during the Orochi clusterfuck but it'd be nice to have confirmation.
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>>4808760
We haven't decided on who exactly we should bring with us. But why bring Ciel? The more characters there, the more the bloat gets worse.

>>4808761
Semantics isn't really me refusing to renegotiate, is it? Not to mention that I didn't exactly mind control the anons who voted for it.

>>4808762
Clocktower is next, we can't afford to spend a year cultivating. We might have a few months before we get there. And we don't really need to cultivate all that much either, every other danger we face pales in comparison to Manaka.

We should rest and spend the time with our wives and daughters.
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>>4808764
With Merlin being less of a dick this is always an option since we only need to ask Medea.
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>>4808764
We don't know. Even if they did, they probably think it's something work-related that they shouldn't bother us with today.

>>4808767
Or we could call her?
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>>4808766
Why the rush? There isn't anything pressing to do and Mordred should learn what modern day Britain is like before she rules. This gives us time to make peace with the church.

If we don't do that they may interfere with any war we attempt. It's also very overconfident that any threat well face is better then Manaka. I'm theory Kerry could kill Shinji and he's mortal. Shinji may be good at planning and straight fights but war can happen in the shadows as well.
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>>4808767
>>4808769
fair, although I think Medea wouldn't object to just checking herself if we ask her just to make sure the girl and the monkey king are okay, just for peace of mind. Anyway they should be fine.
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>>4808766
Well we only have like 5 guarantees, wouldn't hurt to add 2 or 3 more, plus I like Ciel
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>>4808769
We can call Waver and not call it work but Miyako is a step too far? Ask Shiki to do it their related anyway.
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If we're to cultivate on anything it should be learning Item Construction with Truth

Scales or something to judge someone's intentions, NO U mirror, something for ranged combat, being able to create solid runes without having a pocket full of pebbles like some giga autist etc.
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Clocktower Arc should really only have Rin, Mordred, Morgan, Shuten and Vitra. The last two as guards and to check them. Rin as a magus that want to go there, Mordred to check out modernization of her country.

Maybe Scratach, Touko and Madea for training. Monica because she lives close by anyway.
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>>4808773
We have four years before the market crash we plan to use to take over the world. The earlier we neutralize the clocktower as a threat the better. Mordred won't be coming with us for sure, she can spend that time traveling England and learning the country.

>If we don't do that they may interfere with any war we attempt
If we don't do what? Who may interfere? The church? Then yes, I agree we should try and patch things up with them, but I don't see how cultivation helps.

>I'm theory Kerry could kill Shinji and he's mortal
What?

>war can happen in the shadows as well.
War will definitely happen in the shadows, but we're terrible at shadow stuff. We should let Chiyome make our espionage agency, she's the expert here.

>>4808775
I think 8 is really pushing it. Clocktower will have native characters as well, we're trying to avoid bloat not add to it.

>>4808776
I literally just said we could call her, what are you on about?

>>4808778
I would absolutely support Truth item construction. We'll definitely be able to make busted stuff.
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In JETSchad's new animations, his extra card has him summon up a second copy of what looks like Arondight created completely out of his own Mana, glowing bright blue for a cross cut.

So jets can make magical constructs apparently?
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>>4808778
Get our relationships in order before we move to the next arc. Have someone make the time Dilation chamber so we can train those and whatever Scatach can teach.

Right now we're the ultimate support but our combat sucks.
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Clock tower arc is gonna be a hellhole of scheming magus
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>>4808789
Refining the Truth bubble to a suit of armour would help
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>>4808778
We should also test the limits of what we can manifest aside from blade and wall. During fight with gramps we did some ranged icicle attack so seeing what variety of True Stuff we can call up, and how complex it can get.
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>>4808766
With Nyarly giving us unlimited time to do things we always have an option to come up with better activities.
Have you considered that we still have an option to have many more group activities today? And not autistic trip in and out of the town between each of them. Videogames segment for example was the first true scene to have proper interactions between our faction and it had teambuilding and allowed for people we gathered to start having chemistry with each other and be at ease among themselves.
>>4808769
>Or we could call her?
Why are you so insisting on working behind our wives back?
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>>4808789
Why would we want to become a combat monster? We are the ultimate support, we should focus on our strengths.

>>4808791
And it will be glorious.

>>4808792
Suit of armour, weapons other than swords, even ranged weapons, and we'll be able to give our busted items to others too. Truth item construction is the best possible force multiplication we could cultivate for.
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>>4808788
That's a stick.
You know. Because of the legend that he fought with only a stick and won?
He can reinforce the stick with magic though.
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>>4808786
I meant Shinji has no way to detect a bullet before it takes his head off for example. Even if Manaka is the biggest threat we can face, underestimating anything can get Shinji killed.

Chiyome can't be everywhere, eventually she'll slip. Numbers can overwhelm even the most powerful.
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>>4808791
not if we bring our own ELIXIR with us
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>>4808799
Truth can be used offensively as used by dragon daughter. It's also the ultimate armor as seen by her too. The only reason Shinji is support is Sakura. We no longer have a reason to stick to that.
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>>4808795
>With Nyarly giving us unlimited time to do things
?????

>Have you considered that we still have an option to have many more group activities today?
And have you considered that we don't?

What exactly do you disagree with on the schedule, because iirc the objection was whether we should bring Shiki and SHIKI on the hangout or Gilgamesh and Alcides?

>Why are you so insisting on working behind our wives back?
You're just trolling me, aren't you?

>>4808801
>Chiyome can't be everywhere
And that's why we'll have her train people. We can't win a war of shadows by ourselves, and we're terrible at doing sneaky things.
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>>4808800
Oh it's actually just the oak branch? Couldn't see it under the mana burst effect. oopsie
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>>4808800
His knight of owner and eternal arms mastery means he can pick up anything he recognizes as a weapon, instantly master it as a weapon, and then rank it to at least a D-class NP
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>>4808811
EMIYA actually started teaching everyone how to Traceu On
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>>4808801
Just maintain a constantly active layer thin layer of Truth that requires only our natural regen rate at maximum active with the concept of Redirection like Accelerator's AIM field
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>>4808806
>The only reason Shinji is support is Sakura
How the fuck is this Sakura's fault now?
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>>4808807
That's why we take a gap year to create the logistics for the things your suggesting. You said we'd have to wait five until the market crash. Take one year to set things up.

Ninja village, paramilitary, relationships, training, magecraft etc. A year to sort things out beforehand. Instead of doing everything during the clocktower Arc.
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>>4808817
Or just train to upgrade eye of the mind. I'm sure Scatach would be willing. Or if we can get Li to finish our martial arts training.
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>>4808817
>Redirection
Wasn't it a passive Reflection field? Redirection wouldn't be as useful because it could still be redirected into you.
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>>4808818
We needed all those healing skills for the worms remember. Never said it was her fault but how the story shakes out.
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The issue with Lancelot is, since we wanna help him, restoring his sanity is ideal.
The problem is that Berserker Lancelot is fucking sick, and Saber is nowhere near as cool.
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>>4808820
We have thirty people in our faction. What do you plan to have them do during the clocktower if not prepare? Why do we have to do everything ourselves instead of actually using them to do many things in parallel?
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>>4808807
>?????
Directly told to us by WhatIs. Two times.
>And have you considered that we don't?
Alright.
After we are done with our Fox Wife we:
Pick up children and go to cinema with them and return home.
Pick up everyone again and go shopping and return home.
Pick up children again and go to park with them and return home.
Of whatever that schedule still has in it.
>You're just trolling me, aren't you?
No, that was a joke about previous thread and discussion in it about work and relaxation.
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>>4808826
Making the assumption they don't have their own plans or will agree to it. We barely know some of them like Nobu. Pretty sure she's scheming the take over of Japan.
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>>4808822
Reflection risks it bouncing into someone else. Redirecting might give us a little say in where we send it
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>>4808827
>Directly told to us by WhatIs. Two times.
It's mostly just because I can't really be assed to pay attention to the time, so you're getting an extra couple of free hours.
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Group trips don't make good activities. They wouldn't be able to grow SL. Look at Virtra, she wants one on one time.
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>>4808833
Thanks, Nyarly.
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>>4808824
>We needed all those healing skills for the worms
Healing is just one of our many abilities. We pushed truth and the reality marble as far as we could, we trained in martial arts as much as we could. What more would you want us to do instead of healing? It's come EXTREMELY handy in the war too!

>>4808827
>Directly told to us by WhatIs. Two times.
I'm pretty sure he was joking. Weren't you, WhatIs?

And I guess you want us to pick up literally everyone and spend the day doing various things that not everyone will enjoy in a huge group? Why would you think that's a good idea?

>>4808830
>Making the assumption they don't have their own plans or will agree to it
Assume they disagree. How will us being there instead of the clocktower will help?

>Pretty sure she's scheming the take over of Japan.
And that's exactly what we want her to do. This is what preparing looks like. We WANT her to take over Japan.
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>>4808833
>extra couple of free hours.
So, we can do more things than there are in the schedule? I thought it'd be pretty packed already.
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>>4808839
It's mostly so I don't have to autistically pay attention to the time, that's all.
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>>4808841
Yeah, that's what I figured, and why I've been telling people we shouldn't impose on your (or Nyarly's) generosity. We're already doing more, you'd said pick 10 and the schedule had 15 things in it.
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>>4808838
Staying lets us reinforce relationships and gives us time to convince them. Or if they aren't willing do it ourselves.

We may want Nobu to take over but we don't want a Kerry situation. Her doing in such a way that screws us.

As for healing it came in handy because we were weak in the first place. We may have trained in martial arts but if we had the offensive applications of truth a lot of situations could have been avoided.
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>>4808838
One more time.
Look how effective we were with mixing having fun with children and showing them new things while also working on social lings with little Rin and Olga, getting Arc to do some fun and relaxing thing to make her feel welcomed, getting Vritra and Mordred into productive mindset and putting their attention on better tasks and having small talk with Morgan and proving her that she can be part of group activities.
All those activities would have been separated and lead to less satisfying results otherwise.
Having small number of people who can interact positively with each other and in need of screen time mixes well together. You can set up it that way and make it less of everyone autisticly orbit Shinji. At least from a perspective of a reader.
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>>4808844
So, let's say war ends, we tell everyone our plans, they agree and split up to prepare. Is there any reason we should stay with them?

Nobu doesn't want to burn Japan either. She loves our motherland. Her plan is probably a political takeover of a democratic country, like our plan for most everyone. We'll talk to her post war, and we can definitely steer her. She'll listen to us.

We pushed truth as much as we possibly could. There was literally nothing more we could do for more offensive applications of it. We could have learned different things instead of healing, but we could not have done anything more for Truth.

Besides, having more offense won't stop people from getting hurt. For numerous reasons. Healing has been way too useful to lament us learning it.

If anything, you should be talking about puppetcraft. It was pretty much useless for us, and we spent as much time learning it as we did healing.
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>>4808653
Based Toukobro
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>>4808851
>Having small number of people who can interact positively with each other and in need of screen time mixes well together
But that's exactly what the schedule calls for. Small numbers of people, and a group outing with everyone for shopping and a movie. I can't understand what you'd want to see done differently.
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Qm writing?
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Damn it! You don't care if this is just you being paranoid, this is a grail war, and Tamamo has been absent for way too long for you be comfortable just standing around and doing nothing. Doing this is the sort of thing that ends up with you eventually waiting for another ten minutes before eventually checking anyway and meeting with either a missing Tamamo, or a situation that would've been helped by you just checking up on her earlier instead. What if she's hurt?! Knocked out somehow? Being kept hostage? For as powerful as Tamamo is in his current form, you can't help but worry about her.

You take off in the direction of the the changing rooms, sprinting as quickly as you are capable of doing without raising suspicion among the mundane, even at your current speed you're getting glances from concerned looking NPCs, what's the matter, you never seen anybody run inside before? Plebes. This is why so many magi think that it's acceptable to use you as batteries and resources. You quickly reach the women's changing rooms.

"Excuse me sir, but this is the women's changing rooms, the men's changing rooms are-" The man doesn't get to finish his sentence as you whip out a hand towards his neck at an almost imperceptibly fast speed, striking a point on the back of his neck causing his body to fall limp and unconscious. Oh good, that worked after all. It was actually a little bit of a risk that you might've ended up bruising the flesh or crushing his throat with his spine, but it looks like you managed to get that strike down perfectly after all. Good.

Ignoring the unconscious changing room attendant, you walk into the rooms, thankfully, there's nobody else in the changing rooms, and only one of the booths has the curtain divider drawn. You quickly head towards that divider and without any sort of delay, reveal the person inside the booth to the world.

"Mikon?!" A startled Tamamo jumps backwards in surprise, and covers herself with the outfit she's wearing, which she is clearly having difficulties with actually getting to properly fit.

"Tamamo, you're... OK, right?" You ask the embarrassed looking woman who is wearing the majority of the bunny girl outfit, including the ears over her fox ears, for a... well a kind of strange looking effect. "You were... taking a long time, and I got a little worried about you." The wind is totally gone from your sails now that you've realized that Tamamo is very much completely fine, but the woman doesn't get upset with you, instead she smiles awkwardly.
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>>4808857
Presumably yes
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"I'm fine, husband... I'm just... having a little bit of trouble with this ridiculous suit!" Tamamo is forced to use an arm to keep the bunny suit from falling and revealing her naked form to you, but the problem quickly becomes clear. The bunny suit is done up with a zip at the back, which her tails are spilling through. "Normally, I'd just pierce a hole though whatever garment I wanted to wear, but..." She sighs. "If I did that for this, then the integrity of the entire outfit would fall apart..." Tamamo slumps a little. "I really wanted to impress you with this, but I guess I just look a little bit ridiculous, don't I?"

"No, not at all, Tamamo!" You try to reassure the fox woman, who is embarrassed that the seductive outfit has managed to backfire on her like this. It's a real shame too, because she looks fantastic even with the outfit only half-worn.

>"Why don't you use your magecraft to alter the outfit?"
>"Why don't I take a look to see what I can do to fix the problem?"
>"Let's just call it quits, I'll see about getting it changed to accommodate your tails later."
>"...Can't you shapeshift?"
>Pet the fluffy tails.
>Write-in...
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>>4808853
If you've paid attention Shinji is the one getting hurt. We have had to heal others very few times.

Yes we picked truth but that isn't what I was referring to. Truth healing is a combination. Meaning anything else would also be a combination. Truth sword is an offensive use that we just got. If we spent time maybe we could have gotten something we could use skillfully.

Never said Nubu wanted to burn Japan. Just said she'd do it in a way that could make it harder for us. Your deflecting it just missing the point.

As for handing out things to do why would some of them even do it. Shirou and Archer probably wouldn't do anything when it comes to unnecessary violence like a country take over. Saber should just retire and relax or there is no point in Mordred taking the crown. Do you trust Merlin? We don't know enough about Church Rin etc.
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>>4808864
Why don't I take a look to see what I can do to fix the problem?"

Give her a wink
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>>4808864
>"Why don't you use your magecraft to alter the outfit?"
>Pet the fluffy tails.
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>>4808864
>"Why don't you use your magecraft to alter the outfit?"
>"Let's just call it quits, I'll see about getting it changed to accommodate your tails later."
>Pet the fluffy tails.

We can't do anything to fix it ourselves. If she can't do it with magecraft, we'll have to get a tailor to do it later. Also, fluffy tales.
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>>4808864
>"Why don't you use your magecraft to alter the outfit?"

Asking her to shape shift would likely be insensitive.
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>>4808874
>Fluffy tales
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>>4808868
>>4808864
Support
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>>4808865
We heal automatically because we are Truth. Truth healing has ONLY been used to heal others, and we have used it many, many times. Off the top of my head, we healed Merlin, we healed Para, we healed Suzuka and we healed Medea when SAlter almost killed her and that was only yesterday. We could have done none of these things without healing.

>Truth healing is a combination
Yes, because we pushed truth and studied healing. What did you want us to study instead? And why do you keep insisting on us dropping healing instead of puppetcraft?

>Your deflecting it just missing the point.
No it isn't. We'll talk to her, and if her plans make things harder for us then the plans will change

>As for handing out things to do why would some of them even do it
Some of them won't help for various reasons. We still have more than enough people to do everything at the same time. What would getting involved ourselves change?

>>4808878
ESL, homophones are hard, pls understand.
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>"Why don't you use your magecraft to alter the outfit?"
>Pet the fluffy tails.
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>>4808860
>The man doesn't get to finish his sentence as you whip out a hand towards his neck at an almost imperceptibly fast speed, striking a point on the back of his neck causing his body to fall limp and unconscious. Oh good, that worked after all
Kinda wonder why we didn't do hypnotism
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>>4808864
>"Why don't I take a look to see what I can do to fix the problem?"
>Pet the fluffy tails.
The Doujin option.
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>>4808884
>>4808864
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Told you guys the problem was the tails.
>>4808864
>>4808874
+1
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>>4808886
Hypnotism isn't instant, pressure points are.
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>>4808886
Would've taken too long.
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>>4808886
Doing this is cooler than the jedi mind trick.
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>>4808864
>>4808884
+1
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>>4808884
+1
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>>4808883
Merlin hasn't been fully healed and he could have handled it himself. Medea also has healing, we'd only have to buy time or move her.

I can't remember Suzuki's situation. Plus most of those situations came from poor planning or lacking the ability in offense that could have prevented those situations.

Talking to those who disagree woild either convince them over a long period of time or we could whatever part of the plan others don't want to do. I'm not sure how I can make that any clearer to you.
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>>4808886
Support
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>>4808864
>>4808868
Support
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>>4808883
You don't have a good reason to rush into the clocktower Arc. You've states five years as the limit. There is no reason one year can't be spent catching up on things and strengthening relationships.

Right now Nobu is a stranger, she has no reason to tell Shinji she's going to rule Japan or her plans for it. Other people like Ciels servant also doesn't know him. Maybe becoming friends should be the intervening step to some of these characters before asking them for help.
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>>4808905
Good point
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>>4808901
Merlin didn't heal himself. Medea didn't either. Suzuka got hurt when she soloed grandpa for a while after we kicked his ass in Vritra's reality marble. How would truth ranged offense help prevent those situations? And why are you still insisting we should have dropped healing instead of puppetcraft? Oh, and I just remembered: We healed Arcueid. Things would have been very, very different if we hadn't.

So, we talk to a person. He disagrees. What makes you think we can change his mind 180 degrees if we spend months convincing him? And why is this the best use of our time? Why not just leave our allies to do their thing without micromanagement and go do the only thing where we are necessary, ie take over the clocktower from the inside?

It'll be more fun than cultivating too!

>>4808905
4 years. We're in 2004, the crisis hits in 2008. Nobu isn't a stranger, did you forget the speech that convinced her to switch sides, or that we applied a concept to her, or that we literally saved the world and defeated what she thought was an unbeatable opponent? She has every reason to listen to us, and no reason not to.

Clocktower is one of the greatest threats remaining. The longer we leave them to their own devices, the more likely it becomes that they'll figure out something is wrong and start trying to interfere. The sooner we neutralize them the better.

There is no good reason we should delay and cultivate. We know what needs to be done, we know we can do it, and we know we can trust their allies to do their part on their own.
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>>4808908
Namefag samefagging to flatter himself. Sad
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>>4808864
>>"Why don't I take a look to see what I can do to fix the problem?"
>>Pet the fluffy tails.
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>>4808912
Become a closer friend and they may decide to help it isn't that hard. They may have an SL 2 but one year of interaction might make them SL 5.

Nobu was convinced we could win. That's what the speech was for. If you remember correctly Shinji doesn't want to call her Nobu because they are only acquaintances. Does that sound like there close. Not to mention others we barely know like Aoko, Shiki etc. A lot of normal friends and some of our spirits wouldn't go along with this.

We probably have six definitely and a lot of maybes.
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I WANNA COOOOOOOOMMMM
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>>4808916
What? Literally don't waste time same gagging or meme votes wouldn't get past.
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>>4808924
holy batman
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>>4808927
He is holy
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Fuck Clocktower arc
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>>4808932
Muh groping teacher Medea
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Gonna call?

>"Why don't you use your magecraft to alter the outfit?"
>Pet the fluffy tails.

This is winning.
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>>4808864
>>4808920
+1
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>>4808912
Your also talking like the clocktower is a united front. They know everything including our force composition and that we are taking over Britain. No reason to rush this and show our hands for no reason.

We could easily use our connections to get out of any aftershocks caused by this grail war. If they were such a danger then why not kill them all instead of wasting time. They are more likely to come up with fail-safes after seeing our faction close up.

Your also saying it would be less boring then "cultivation". Your ignoring us dealing with our legistics and relationships. Unless you want to end up in this situation of having dates in the middle of conflicts to deal with relationship issues.

Training makes sure we can deal withkre issues because we have more tools. Things can be avoided if we had such tools. One good example is dying to that shapeshifer due to our little mis-step.
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>>4808934
And fuck Medea too
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>>4808926
Sorry. Youre a good guy if your against memers. That samefag was someone else.
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>>4808932
I just want to conquer the UK with our king not go to fucking Hogwarts
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Calling in 5
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>>4808923
Either they're ok with the plan, or they aren't. Either we can convince them or we can't. If someone is not ok with us taking over the world, working on the social link won't suddenly make him ok with it. Spending months grinding links won't fix that. Our time is better spend elsewhere.

It doesn't matter if we're the best of friends with Nobu or not. What matters is that we can leave the "take over Japan" part of the plan to her, and trust that she'll do a good job without our micromanagement. What would grinding her social link actually change?

And I imagine we'll have much, much more support than you might think. Which one of the people around us wouldn't want to help us make the world a better place? Or stay out of our way otherwise? I can't imagine even a single one opposing us.

>>4808938
>Your also talking like the clocktower is a united front
What? Clocktower arc will be literally us infiltrating and exploiting the divisions to take it over from the inside. Where did this misunderstanding come from?

>They know everything including our force composition and that we are taking over Britain
They don't know shit, but the longer we delay dealing with them the higher the chance they find something out.

>We could easily use our connections to get out of any aftershocks caused by this grail war
That's the whole point. Waver and Reines smooth things over, we convince them all servants got unsummoned and the war ended without a victor, we join as a student. Wasn't this clear?

>If they were such a danger then why not kill them all instead of wasting time
It would be easier to kill them all, yes. But it's not the best solution, and it will be less fun.

>They are more likely to come up with fail-safes after seeing our faction close up.
Who said anything about them seeing our faction up close? We're be going undercover with a few select allies.

>Your ignoring us dealing with our legistics and relationships
Our allies will handle our logistics. We can handle our relationships from the clocktower. We don't have to be best buds with everyone, you know, and we don't have to deal with everything ourselves.

>Things can be avoided if we had such tools. One good example is dying to that shapeshifer due to our little mis-step.
What tool could we possibly have that would avoid our hand exploding from a surprise multi-ton baton from an apparently normal policewoman? What should we have trained differently pre-war?
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OK what won?
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>>4808953
Sex
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>>4808953

>"Why don't I take a look to see what I can do to fix the problem?"
>Give her a wink
>>4808867

>"Why don't I take a look to see what I can do to fix the problem?"
>Pet the fluffy tails.
>>4808887
>>4808920
>>4808937

>"Why don't you use your magecraft to alter the outfit?"
>Pet the fluffy tails.
>>4808868
>>4808879
>>4808884
>>4808897
>>4808899
>>4808903

>"Why don't you use your magecraft to alter the outfit?"
>>4808875

>"Why don't you use your magecraft to alter the outfit?"
>"Let's just call it quits, I'll see about getting it changed to accommodate your tails later."
>Pet the fluffy tails.
>>4808874
>>4808889

>?????
>>4808902

Tamamo's magecraft wins. There's one vote I cannot understand at all.
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2 more updates?
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>>4808950
Sarcasm was the first three sentences you quoted. You just essentially agreed with my reasons why they aren't an immediate threat.

The time isn't just to convince them but to actually spend time with people and know them better. Instead of waiting for the next crisis.
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>>4808950
If your position is we should hand off things to other people then we could easily hand off the take over of the clocktower to Waver. Support him with money, goods and fighting abilities and Shinji don't have to do anything.

Or you could have him setup to make it easier for Shinji to come later. Or keep them divided enough they aren't a threat. Every point you've made can be turned around as a reason why the arc doesn't have to exist at all.
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Good to see that i'm not the only anon that doesn't want a hogwarts arc.
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>>4808864
>"Why don't I take a look to see what I can do to fix the problem?"
>Pet the fluffy tails.
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>>4808987
Two of you retards. Most of us want mrs colcis.
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>>4808974
>then we could easily hand off the take over of the clocktower to Waver
Waver is barely a lord, he's already being watched, and he can't scheme for shit. What makes you thin he's remotely suited for the job, or the he'd want to do it himself?

>why the arc doesn't have to exist at all.
And I think we've arrived at the crux of the issue. You don't want the clocktower arc. I do. There's not much of a point in discussing this further.

>>4809011
Right on, anon.
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>>4809025
Look at you putting words in my mouth. Just like you do in any conversation you don't have reason to oppose. You turn it into a completely different discussion.

I was pointing out the reasons you have invalidate the arc.

Also Waver is in a better situation to subvert the clocktower. Or more accurately the family he's under.
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>>4809030
I really don't understand what your problem is man. What do you want to do? Why would you be arguing to leave the Clocktower to Waver and Reines while we cultivate and farm social links if you do want us to go there?
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>>4809011
Then have her do it in the bedroom you'll get off better.

We prep for Zouken, we prep for the war but we don't prep for the clocktower. Just why?
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>>4809033
Reread what I said, most of the arguments your saying is we can hand off everything instead of peeling for a year. I'm saying your argument can easily be used for the opposite. It isn't very valid.
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>>4809011
We'll see when the time for voting comes i hope you don't resort to samefagging just so you can get clocktower.
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>>4809035
We'll prep for taking over the world. What prep do you think we need to go to magical school?

>>4809037
There are valid reasons to leave our allies to do their thing without us. Nobu is perfectly suited to prepare taking over Japan without supervision, for instance. Waver is probably the most unsuited possible person to have in charge of a conspiracy, and Reines is neither trustworthy nor competent enough to take over the Clocktower by herself.

I can't do this anymore. This is the last I'll say on this discussion.
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>>4809038
t. samefag

QM, you need to do something. Samefagging been getting worse since the meme vote. Its very bad today.
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"Why don't you just use your magecraft to... you know...? Change the outfit?"

"I... I was hoping that I wouldn't have needed to resort to such a thing to simply wear an outfit. I consider it bad enough I so often need to use my tails to puncture holes in the outfits I choose to wear." Tamamo crosses her arms, keeping the outfit from just completely falling off of her. "Besides, I'm merely trying this outfit on, and I wouldn't feel right to just use my magecraft to change something that I'm simply borrowing." Tamamo's thought process is all messed up here, it seems. If you were going to buy it anyway, what's the problem with changing around the composition of the outfit slightly? If you aren't willing to use your magecraft for something like that, then why bother at all? Then again, it might have something to do with her current nature as a goddess making her less keen on doing something like that.

You smile at the woman. "If the only problem is that you don't want to change the outfit without buying it first, that's not a problem. I already took care of that." You raise the bag containing all four of the other outfits that Tamamo ended up picking out for herself. "You know, I thought they'd all look good on you, so I took the liberty of buying all of them while you went to get changed. I also had the clerk put that bunny suit that you're currently wearing on the bill as well, so... consider it a present, if you like." You give Tamamo a wide smile, and Tamamo returns the smile.

"A gift, hmm?" A devilish smile appears on Tamamo's face, and she's suddenly engulfed by a bright white light, or no... she's not engulfed in white light, but... the bunny suit is!?

You cover your eyes to avoid being harmed by the harsh light emanating from Tamamo, and when you open your eyes again, you can see the bunny suit is now a perfect fit for the girl, although more strange is the fact that the fake bunny ears she was wearing before seem to have... become real? You don't know just what to make of it, but her fox ears seem to have shifted in form quite a bit, becoming longer than they were before, while the bunny ears themselves have vanished entirely. "Tamamo... what did you do?" You nearly choke on your surprise when you realize the bunny suit was now very much a literal bunny suit.
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"Well... It's a bunny suit, isn't it?" The cheerful woman gives a merry chuckle. "Now it gives the wearer the traits and powers of a bunny! I can already feel that I can run faster, jump higher and kick harder!" She looks at the mirror in the room to inspect the changes to her body as well as the bunny suit itself, and she marvels in surprise at the fact that her fox ears have transformed into bunny ears. "It's only temporary, of course, when I take this off, I'll go back to normal, but right now, I feel like I could leap across the entire city!" You have no idea just what to make of this situation. Did she really just magically enchant a bunny suit to be a high class Mystic Code... on a whim?! "So.. Husband, what do you think of the outfit?" She looks at you with expectant eyes as she seductively squeezes her breasts together as she walks towards you.

"W-well... I... I think it's really nice, Tamamo, b-but..." You start to panic a little as the girl is suddenly way too close to you, and you're backed up against a wall as she presses herself up against you.

"But what, husband?" She basically purrs at you. Rabbits aren't supposed to purr, Tamamo. Wait... are foxes supposed to purr either?

"But nothing, you look lovely, Tamamo." You force yourself to regain your usual cool. You can't allow yourself to fall to such attempts at seduction. It's very obvious what Tamamo is trying to do here, and you manage to regain your calm in a way you hadn't counted on. You reach out and grab one of Tamamo's tails and begin to pet her, stroking the tail and marveling once again at the incredibly soft fur. This girl must need to go through an absolute fortune on shampoo and conditioner to keep her tails this smooth and pleasant to the touch.

"Good, I'm glad you like it, now... this is... well, basically the end of the date, right? Aren't dates supposed to end in a..." Tamamo is clearly waiting for you to add two and two together, and it looks like you probably don't really have much of a choice. At least you seem to have gotten an answer as to whether or not Tamamo is willing to share... Well actually, you haven't received that answer at all, and all you've managed to confirm is that she's very much interested in you, which you already knew.

>Kiss Tamamo, full tongues.
>Make up an excuse as to why you can't kiss her.
>Ask Tamamo if she's made up her mind before you kiss her.
>Ask Tamamo if she's really going to walk around town wearing that outfit.
>Write-in...
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>>4809045
>Kiss Tamamo, full tongues.
No reason not to.
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>>4809045
>Ask Tamamo if she's made up her mind before you kiss her.
>Kiss Tamamo, full tongues.
>Tell her you prefer her fox ears after the kiss
I assume she'll say yes.
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>>4809045
>Ask Tamamo if she's made up her mind before you kiss her.

Get an answer before we do so, no assumptions.

Also if she can do that to a bunny suit have her enhance our buisness suit. Why haven we created or enchanted something to work as armor I don't know.
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>>4809045
>>Ask Tamamo if she's made up her mind before you kiss her.
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>>4809045
>>Kiss Tamamo, full tongues.
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>>4809045
>>Kiss Tamamo, full tongues.
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>>4809048
+1
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>>4809045
>Ask Tamamo if she's made up her mind before you kiss her.
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>>4809045
>Kiss Tamamo, full tongues.
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>>4809045
Switch >>4809048 to
>Ask Tamamo if she's made up her mind before you kiss her.

Big Mac is right, no assumptions. We'll kiss her anyway if she says yes.
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>>4809045
>Kiss Tamamo, full tongues.
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Do you think Manaka is scrying on us?
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>>4809045
Calling in 17.
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>>4809076
silently seething as she gets cucked by a dozen different women
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>>4809045
>>Ask Tamamo if she's made up her mind before you kiss her.
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>>4809045
>>Kiss Tamamo, full tongues.
you don't need to ask, she's literally asking for it right now
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>>4809045
>>Ask Tamamo if she's made up her mind before you kiss her.
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All these 1 post id in this thread.
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>>4809105
no
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Yk we kind haven't talked to Nero at all she was the one we kind had a mental breakdown in front of maybe we should go say something to her
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>>4809109
Yeah, we should go sing and dance with her some more!
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Aight what won?
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>>4809117

>Kiss Tamamo, full tongues.
>>4809046
>>4809052
>>4809054
>>4809060
>>4809070
>>4809097

>>Ask Tamamo if she's made up her mind before you kiss her.
>>Kiss Tamamo, full tongues.
>>Tell her you prefer her fox ears after the kiss
>>4809055

>Ask Tamamo if she's made up her mind before you kiss her.
>>4809049
>>4809051
>>4809057
>>4809064
>>4809095
>>4809103

It's a tie
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>>4809117
Kiss Tamamo
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>>4809045
Kiss Tamamo, full tongues
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Tie breaker
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>>4809121
Thanks batman
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>>4809119
>>4809121
Based Tamamo-Kiss chads
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>>4809045
>Ask Tamamo if she's made up her mind before you kiss her.
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>>4809045
>>4809129
Never mind cancelling the vote.
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Nevermind it's a tie again because apparently anons don't understand what subtext is
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>>4809121
>>4809129
Still a tie then.
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>>4809136
Cope
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>>4809134
He canceled it
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>>4809118
Changing to Kiss Tamamo with ass grab
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>>4809140
Superior
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>>4809045

>Kiss Tamamo, full tongues.
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>>4809045
>Ask Tamamo if she's made up her mind before you kiss her.
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>>4809140
>>4809045
I support this
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>>4809149
Nice
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>>4809149
DAYUM
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Playing the long game so more girls dress up as bunny girls
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Speaking of, are we concepting Saber?
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>>4809164
Yeah we'll give her Utopia or something
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Writing?
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>>4809177
Yes.
Post Tamamo, I guess.
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>>4809188
Are you MOTIVATED?
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>>4809188
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>>4809045
>>4809140
Supporting this
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>>4809188
based
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>>4809188
Will the ass grab be included?
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>>4809204
Not enough votes and also occured after vote call.
If you want something like that in the future, you'll need to be more proactive with timing.
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>>4809207
How can you betray us like this?
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Anybody else a bit unnerved by Shinji growing callous behavior towards non-Magic’s?
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>>4809213
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>>4809215
>growing
?
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>>4809215
He's always been a sociopath.
Hell, I'd say he's better now, at least he actively tries to stop them from dying.
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>>4809216
are you gonna tell us who your waifu was or is that a secret
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What win?
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>>4809216
Please
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>>4809216
Oppai dekai-su senpai.
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>>4809045
>kick harder
The move that BTFO the Moon Cell was already a kick, so was the Castration "Fist" and the Amaterasu leg strength memes...
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i think QM fucking died
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>>4809332
Yes.
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>>4809334
Quest ga shinda. Time to send WhatIs to the taiga dojo of real life
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>>4809332
He's working night shift at Wendy's, its a FATE worse than death.
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Well, screw it, it's pretty clear that Tamamo has made up her mind about just how she wants to go about this relationship with you. You've made things entirely clear from the very start, so there's really no possible way that she doesn't understand just what it is that she's getting herself into. You know that she's the sort of girl that would've much preferred a monogamous relationship with a man, but... well, you can hopefully make her happy despite knowing what her original wish was. You have no doubt in yourself as a person. You've managed to bring about so much happiness already, and you won't allow Tamamo to be unhappy either. Well, you aren't going to force her, by any means, but you are going to do everything in your power to ensure that she's not dissatisfied by the decision that she ended up making.

So with that in mind... You lean in and plant your lips on Tamamo's own, and the woman isn't at all surprised, nor does she even flinch back as you begin to entwine your tongues around one another as you share a deep kiss, and an exchange of saliva. Something that could only ever be considered a kiss between lovers takes place in the changing room of the shopping center, and it really does seem that the only reasons that things don't go any further is the current location. Tamamo would clearly much prefer that if you are to actually make love for the first time, that you'd do it in... well, a bed, and not some random changing room. That's just the sort of woman that Tamamo is... Not to mention that actually sleeping with somebody on the first date is... well, it's also probably something that Tamamo wants to avoid doing. She's just that sort of person, which is entirely understandable. Honestly, the idea of her even agreeing to something like sex without actually officially being recognized as a wife properly is also pretty difficult to think of. Though you suppose you do have to take her current tails into consideration when you think about that. For every tail that Tamamo has, not only is she more powerful, but she's also potentially more unstable too, and while you've managed to temper that instability into something mostly harmless for now, you should never allow yourself to forget that this seductive fox bunny-girl is very much still a goddess linked to an even more unstable entity in the past that has apparently taken a personal interest in you. Which is something you worry about having to deal with, but... well, that's something for you future self to worry about.

Eventually, the kiss comes to an end, and Tamamo looks into your eyes with her own loving eyes, and you need to hold yourself back from kissing her again.
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"Well, I've come to a decision. I won't mind... sharing you, I suppose, but... I'm still going to have to judge you on whether you're genuine about the nature of your love for all these women, or if you're simply taking advantage of the people surrounding you loving you... Of course, from what I've learned of you, I highly doubt that it's the latter." Tamamo states calmly, apparently begrudgingly accepting that if she wants to be with you, then she is going to have to accept the idea of sharing you.

"I promise you, this is... This is all because I want every one to be happy, you have my word. I would gladly trade my own happiness for the ability to make the people I care about happy instead." You state without a shred of doubt. While you couldn't give a rat's ass about normal humans, you do very much care about the people who you've deemed close to you. Losing even one of them would feel like a part of you being torn away and lost forever. There's a reason that you've been looking into the creation of the Underworld, and a generally hatred of the Root recycling system is only a single factor in why you want to change things. An underworld grants you a safety net to bring any of those people you care for back to life should you fail them. The very idea of creating an entire afterlife just for the sake of those you care about is a little insane in its own way, but... whatever. Who's going to stop you?!

"I suppose only time will tell if you're intentions are truly pure." Tamamo crosses her arms again, and gives you the moment you need to move from being practically pinned against the wall by the more... pronounced parts of her body. "I'm hesitantly accepting this, but only if you really are doing this for the sake of others." Tamamo's decision is an entire reasonable one, and it's not one that you're going to have any sort of problem with complying with.

"I won't let you down, and I won't betray the trust you've put in me already, Tamamo, now..."

>"...Let's go home."
>"...Let's go somewhere else" (where?)
>"...Can I spend some time petting your tails?"
>Write-in...
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>>4809373
>"...Let's go home."
This day will never end.
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>It is said that Tamamo would get along with Arcueid Brunestud because they share the same basic origins.
I know what we should do now
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>>4809373
>>"...Let's go home."
Shiji's ready to get his ships shattered.
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>>4809373
>"...Let's go home."
>write in
>"...Can I spend some time petting your tails on the way home?"
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>>4809373
"...Can I spend some time petting your tails?"
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>>4809373
>"...Let's go home."
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>>4809373
>>"...Can I spend some time petting your tails?"
need
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>>4809373
>>>"...Can I spend some time petting your tails?"
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>>4809373
>"...Can I spend some time petting your tails?"
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>>4809373
>"...Can I spend some time petting your tails?"
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>>4809373
>"...Can I spend some time petting your tails?"
>>4808987
I think Harry Potter is fairly unpopular. So much so that people who don`t like it never bother to comment on it.
Personally I think it will incredibly boring and just about everything else will be better use of time.
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>>4809470
ok so what do you wanna do after the war then
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>>4809475
We amassed quite a big number of teachers we could learn a lot from and we have Melty Blood and Dark Six to go through.
Broadening our skills should be really important and idea to ditch everything right after war is done and "go to Hogwarts" is pretty autistic.
I am not denying that we will have to find a way to deal with Clocktower.
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>>4809373
>>"...Can I spend some time petting your tails?"
>Pet tail
>Pet tail
>Pet tail
>Pet tail
>Headpat and touch ears
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>>4809373
>>"...Let's go home."
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>>4809470
Or people don't talk because they like it more than killing them all
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>>4809495
Ignore this vote i thought my previous vote got eaten
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>>4809407
Adding
>"...Can I spend some time petting your tails?"
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>>4809373
>>"...Can I spend some time petting your tails?"
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>>4809502
Samefag
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>>4809373
>>"...Let's go home."
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>>4809215
The Killing Joke soon.
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>>4809373
>"...Let's go home."
Well, that was fun and it went as well as it could be expected. Mission accomplished. World War Shinjibowl has been averted. The nukes have been defused. We can FINALLY hug and kiss and molest our beautiful wives in public without being afraid of our own shadow.

Now let's go celebrate with the kids. They need to see their papa is alright. Park and a movie, it'll be great!
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>>4809188
You guess? You're not sure you want to see more fox wife?
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>>4809620
I got too used to your pink ID
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>>4809626
Who knows? Maybe it'll turn pink again when my router next craps out.
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>>4809626
>>4809628
Sounds homoerotic.
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>>4809632
But pink's the color of our fox wife's hair.
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>>4809635
And Sakura's panties.
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I haven't finished reading through the archives yet, but I just wanted to drop in and say that Tamamo is best girl. Please post more fluffy tail.
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>>4809639
What parts have you liked so far fren?
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>>4809638
Some of them, yes.
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>>4809639
As you wish Tamamofren.
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>>4809373
>"...Can I spend some time petting your tails?"
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>>4809639
And some anons wanted to kill her.
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>>4809646
Some anons have wanted to kill just about everyone we've met.
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so what's the current status of the Collection?
Where will be the cutoff, and what will be the hangout budget for each?

>confirmed and confessed
Sakura
Medea
Satsuki
>confirmed and almost confessed
Tamamo-no-Mae
>virtually confirmed
Medusa
Mordred
Vritra
Ereshkigal
Arcueid
Shuten Douji
>interested but not yet confirmed
Alaya
Aozaki Touko
Monika Eisenmann
Ciel
Suzuka
Chiyome
>it's not like she likes you or anything
Tohsaka Rin (Prime)
>potentially interested
Lugh
Illyasviel von Einzbern
>barely interacted with
Obeithion
Nero
Scathach
Miyako Arima
Sun Wukong
Ibaraki Douji
Miho Amamiya
Aife
Morrigan
Bazett Fraga McRemitz
Fujimura Taiga
>Mommy
Tiamat
>Slated for redemption
Manaka Sajyou (left)
>wild card
Manaka Sajyou (right)
>not yet actually encountered but mentioned
Atalanta
Pollux
Caren Hortensia
>trap card
Ayaka Sajyou
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>>4809650
Nyarly doesn't like being forgotten
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>>4809650
Alaya is ??? due to also being every human and the World itself, including physics, time, history, etc.

Lugh fell in love with the guy who punched his heart and out and taught him what it is to fear for his existence so its ???

I don't get the "almost confessed" part, this was not that?

Otherwise makes sense?
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>>4809653
He already has the teacher lady though. And/or Aife.
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>>4809650
Sounds about right, though I don't think Mordred and especially Arcueid are virtually confirmed, and Chiyome is definitely too loyal to be interested.

The cutoff is up to the girls. We said we won't reject anyone who thinks they'll be happier with sharing us instead of moving on and finding someone else.

Hangout budget will be a thorny issue. I'd very much like to hear the pokemon collectors' answer to that.
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>>4809654
She's saying she's still passing judgment but I suppose you're right, she's as good as confirmed waifu, by her own words.
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>>4809657
I took that as "she's confirmed, but will continue to observe how pure our intentions are" from the "inside" so to speak.
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>>4809650
Illyasviel von Einzbern is interested but not yet confirmed.
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>>4809656
We fulfilled Mordred's and Arcueid's innermost desires. They may not be pushy about it but I don't think they're moving on away from us unless we shoot them down deliberately.
And Chiyome being loyal doesn't mean she's not interested. It means she'll be actively and painstakingly suppressing her feelings.
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>>4809671
Mordred obviously wants us but is confused about her feeling and doesn't understand what is happening. Morgan however knows exactly what she is doing and is pushing Mordred to be more proactive with Shinji.
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>>4809674
I think Mordred's royal Instinct is actively wrangling her from going full primae noctis on us, which is kind of ironic.
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It would serve Mordred's development well if Shinji advised her to use her Time to age herself down to her physical age now and then and just live as a child with the girls, actually experience the joys of a proper childhood.

She's missing a lot and she needs to understand people as complete beings to not emulate Artoria's failings
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>>4809671
Arcueid is one of the most stable and well-adjusted individuals around. She's definitely interested, but she has not made a single move that showed romantic affection, and we haven't either. She also helped Satsuki and Sakura work out their differences when they fought over us, so she's naturally putting herself in more of a mentor role with the girls who are more dependent than her. I don't know if she'll decide she wants us romantically to be happy or if she'll be happy to stay as a big sister/mentor figure for the others, but I'd definitely not put her in the same category as, say, Medusa, Shuten and Vritra who are pretty much already in.

>>4809674 covered me about Mordred. We saw that at her core she is a confused 8-year old, lost in the shadow of her father. She doesn't know what she wants, and her mother is a bad influence. Pulling her in right now, before she's figured out who she is and what she wants will essentially be us grooming and taking advantage of her. What she ultimately decides is also up in the air.

We've seen Chiyome's inner thoughts. We know her character. Loyalty does not leave any room in her heart for romantic love for us. She would fuck us if we commanded her, but she will never seek a relationship with us.
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>>4809683
You are correct one more time my friend. Mordred was robbed of her childhood, and she now has a chance to get it back. We should advise her accordingly.
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>>4809684
>most stable and well-adjusted individuals around.
You keep saying this, but this only illustrates how low the standard is, not the other way around.
She was in Robot mode before Roa and "fuck Roa+robot mode" before she got MeoDP'd.
Then we BTFO Roa out of existence, healed her from MeoDP, showed her a sinless DA.
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>>4809683
It would probably have been a good and valuable experience to be cherished for her, but I can't see it being healthy if she did so while already harboring romantic feelings. The opportunity is probably lost for her.
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Should also remind her we're her appointed Advisor, not her mum. So she should be careful about her advice, Morgan is a fairy, her sensibilities are always going to be unforgiving and twisted towards her daughterson's human emotions
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>>4809691
That's why I'm not saying to do it for tonight, but more do it in the background as prep for Kingship. She needs to learn what a life really is before she starts governing millions of them
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>>4809684
>mentor role
As for this, I'd guess this is her OG function coming to the fore. True Ancestors were made to rule over humans by the planet.
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>>4809692
Just charm a fairy, bro.
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>>4809690
Do you disagree that she's one of the most stable and well-adjusted individuals around?

>>4809691
I don't agree at all anon. The opportunity is not lost for her. It will be healthier for her in the long run to get a childhood, even delayed, than to not get one at all.

>>4809692
Yes, Mordred is defaulting to bad old habits and taking mommy dearest's advice too much. We should have a talk to her about it.

>>4809694
It doesn't really matter though, does it?
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>>4809693
Does she really have the time and inclination? Even setting aside how conquest is coming, and I don't think Nobu is waiting 10 years, she is a homunculus and a dragon as a humanform.

Homunculi are NOT just artifical humans, as we see them refered to as artifical Nature Spirits more and something humanish, without taking into account the dragon stuff, and that she can never ever live a "normal" childhood as a human, because she has superstrength, time bullshit, instinct, etc.
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So how many of our daughters are planning to NBR us when they get older?
Because Mordred would be.
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>>4809700
She'll never get it all back, but some experience is better than none. She's still her old battle-maniac self atm
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>>4809698
>Yes, Mordred is defaulting to bad old habits and taking mommy dearest's advice too much. We should have a talk to her about it.
Rather just spend some time in her to take off some of the pressure.
And I'm interested in learning what dynamic there is between Morgan and Obeithion
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>>4809703
What she's missing most is just SoL childhood experiences, she's still lived through more than most in the late teens. Just needs to be rounded out with some happy early child memories.

I wonder if her personality will shift at all if she takes different forms for different regular actions, sort of pavloving her to associate the form with the feeling
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>>4809698
>It doesn't really matter though, does it?
I'd say it matters if its a decision to mentor, or an instinct to rule well.
One is more "benevolent and temporary" while the other is more an ingrained, and earned, superiority as a planet spirit/super TA.
It changes the tenor, and whether she is not moving or is helping for such a reason, or she has shittons of time and planet/fairy timescale or she doesnt instictively notice competition, or that she doesnt even recognize emotions properly, as in Tsukihime timeframe.
Its simplifying the problem too much, and ignoring the magic/alien moon and earth spirit stuff factors.
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Counterpoint to lolidred.
>"UUUUOOOOOOUUUUUGGGGHHHHHH CUNNY EROTIC"
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>>4809703
And? I seem to remember from Apoc that shes pretty good at paperwork, and even so. A king doesnt need to do minutae anymore, thats what minions are for. She can dictate direction and keep them in line if they get shady.
We dont want to do ruling shit either, and we're planning world domination.
Now Enkidu is 100% dangerous battle maniac based on SF.
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>>4809706
Would it be a good idea to tell her to grow herself down to a child and take her with our daughters today? I'm not sure at all myself.

>>4809709
Well, I don't think it matters at all. She defaults to being a mentor, she is really good at this, and she has and will help a lot while doing it. Why she does it seems irrelevant, as long as she enjoys doing it. And it appears that she does, very much.
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>>4809714
Probably not as it'll give her a daddy fetish with her current brain issues

>>4809711
based OUUUUUUUHHHH poster

>>4809712
Artoria's biggest fuckup was not understanding the hearts of her subjects. Even Gil did part this personally
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WhatIs lives btw, he's just gone to complete his mandated servitude period
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>>4809718
What's the plan then? How do we give her happy childhood SoL memories if we're afraid that giving her those memories will give her a daddy complex? Because I think it might help her clarify her feelings and realise there's more than one way of caring about someone else.
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>>4809718
>Even Gil did part this personally
What do you mean by this?
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When Shinji departs for the next outing, sending a "could someone sort out dinner for when we get back" message through the Tamamophone will have some pretty funny results, and give him a real meal for once, if the kitchen survives.

Why do you anons deprive the poor man some real food constantly?

>>4809721
Serious talk about her mother that also includes suggesting the option to her. Could even pull the "I don't want to take advantage of your limited life experience, I advise you to gain some more perspective first"

She'll just get dabbed on by the much more cunning manipulators, even with Instinct when it comes to monopolosing Shinji's affections otherwise.

>>4809722
Gil knew every single citizen of Uruk, he'd walk the streets often, he's personally attend to all inquires at his throne. SNI definitely helped him scan people but his instantaneous appraisal and evaluation of people skills were earned through his lifetime of examining and interacting with his subjects
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>>4809718
Also, Arturia's greatest fuckup was getting conned by Merlin. Camelot relied on Mystery shit for food and everything->AoM incoming, alien Picts, etc. RIP, she literally couldnt do anything.
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>>4809729
Merlin told her it was doomed from the start, but she took up Caliburn anyway. To cope she killed her emotions and the people suffered for it for the time they did have with her in charge
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>>4809728
>SNI definitely helped him scan people but his instantaneous appraisal and evaluation of people skills were earned through his lifetime of examining and interacting with his subjects

The weird part is that SNI is described as the sublimation of his mentality, isnt it? I think there is no distinction.
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>>4809728
>dinner
Pretty sure it's still not even noon. I imagine Sakura and Medea are handling lunch, though it definitely wouldn't hurt to ask.

And I guess I can't disagree about Mordred. Serious talk and putting the option on the table seems best.
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>>4809731
Merlin is a shit dad.
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>>4809732
Might even be how it developed to where it is.

It's epithet is "He who saw the deep" or something isn't it?

>>4809733
Yeah, they have like half a day to source the most try hard ingredients possible to one up one another, just watch all the overly complex rituals used to summon in dragon steak etc. as ingredients given the half day prep window
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Let's summon Liz and use her tail as an ingredient.
Or summon a Demon Pillar.
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>>4809735
>dragon steak
I really doubt they'd do that to Alitheia, but yes, their plans will be fun to see.
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>>4809737
Dark Souls?
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>>4809738
When Shinji's away the Vorechads will play.
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>>4809731
I honestly don't think it could've gone better without the autistic full wartime footing.
Dragon level boars roaming the countryside, actual dragons, faries, Vortigern wanting to make hell on earth, aforementioned alien Picts, Lucius from Rome, food being BTFO no matter what due to changing Ages.
That level of bullshit is basically "die or suffer for a bit longer" on a general scale.
Though that whole Lancelot thing was a pretty big fuckup, all the knights had mega autism. Mordred herself says to herself in internal narration she wouldnt have been satisfied anyway so thats not changing.
Best case scenario was disbanding and just fleeing to the mainland en masse or something. The worst of "shittier humans+AoG monsters"
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>>4809741
Vore is the Dark Souls of fetishes.
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>>4809742
>You're finally back, Onii-chan. Dinner is ready. Everyone is already in. Mommy's waiting.
>*cross pupils*
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>>4809734
He's a groomer not a dad, he doesn't need his groomies to enjoy life, only to experience strong emotions during their existence to sustain himself.

>>4809737
the latter is potentially on the cards soon

Dragons in myth are often cannibalistic, especially to weaker kinds like Wyverns.

I wonder what kind of weird shit from INS is going to end up on the table.

Gotta satisfy the vorechad QM

>>4809743
If she understood people she'd have picked a less autistic KOTR. Should have listened to Kay more I guess.
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Even if Mordred is under developed as a person I don't think us pursuing her is grooming. Mordred is a woman and she can decide if our advances are appreciated. When you saw her juvinile self in her soul that doesn't mean she's a child in physically. To me she's a developmentally stunted person, same would go for illiya if the pain and pressures of her short lifespan didn't mature her very quickly. Illiya has the opposite problem of being mature yet her stature is that of a juvenile. Sure she's older than shirou however she looks like a kid.

Mordred being a tomboy means that she's developmentally stunted because in reality tomboys are either children who haven't grown into their sexually dymophic appearances because they lack them, lack those appearances because of bad genes thus are insecure as being femanine post puberty OR are women whom have problems that manifest in such a way that I cannot accurately describe how their dysfunction also makes them into tomboys. It's a personal gripe of mine however tomboys as people have desired doesn't exist. That's like women wanting men who are 10s due to hypergamy, I have no skin in that game but I wanted to illustrate a social phenomenon by women to relate to men wanting tomboys. It's looking for the unicorn. Perhaps thatsthe point, the ideal is much more important than reality.
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>>4809748
Poblem is that the less autistic knight candidates didnt have shit like Numeral of the Saint, being raised by the Lady of the Lake etc. All the OP knights you need to fight big scary monsters are retards.
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>>4809750
Tomboy enthusiasts are actually pedos, based

>>4809751
When will Bors get screentime?

Also I kind of want to ask Morgan what the deal with with the Green Knight, was he a busted homonculus?
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>>4809750
Also opening a dialogue between Mordred and Ilya would probably be good, from what we've seen no one seems to want to cross their OG group boundaries. Might need some cringe icebreakers over dinner and force seating plans or something
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>>4809752
When Sir Balin does.
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>>4809743
If Artoria had punished Lancelot, if she had acknowledged Mordred instead of rejecting her, if she was more human in general instead of striving to be the unattainable perfect king then Camelot might not have fallen. She did great at fighting the external threats, but she didn't understand and couldn't manage her people properly, and that's what lead to her downfall..

>>4809750
>that doesn't mean she's a child in physically
Exactly right anon. She's not a child physically, but she's closer to a child mentally than a full, independent adult. Taking advantage of that is pretty close to grooming.

>>4809754
Also a good idea, yes. They have much in common. It's natural for people in a large group to default to interacting with those they already know, it falls on us to bridge those gaps.
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>>4809756
>If Artoria had punished Lancelot
True
>she had acknowledged Mordred instead of rejecting her
Not true, internal narration in either Apo or GO has Mordred acknowledging that she wouldn't be satisfied with merely that.
>Camelot might not have fallen
Not true, Camelot falling was inevitable as per the Human Order forcing it. It was essentially getting fucked by the Counter Force 24/7 and QTL'd, Vortigern nothwithstanding. Age of Man is coming, and no stinking Mystery based agriculture and kingdom is surviving.

>she didn't understand and couldn't manage her people properly
Catch 22. Hire on retard but strong knights or hire reasonable but weaker knights. One ends in them imploding, other gets demolished. These circumstances are unmanageable with all the external threats also. When Merlin said its inevitable, that part wasn't a lie. People were satisfied with her rule until they weren't, and they were never going to be when starving for no discernible reason and someone is rallying them to rebellion.

The reason people followed Mordred was because people were starving. Why were they starving? Plants and shit stopped working because they were Mystery based and those were getting excluded. 80% of Camelot's physical walls were faerie make. Basically all the shit they used to not die was Mystery based.
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>>4809750
says
>I don't think us pursuing her is grooming
>>4809756
Agrees and says
>Taking advantage of that is pretty close to grooming.


????
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>>4809752
I'm not calling anyone a pedo however sakuaist himself inadvertently illuminated that us seducing mordred would be grooming, us taking advantage of her developmentally stunted self. I think it reveals that tomboys exist in immature females and as females mature they grow into their femaninity. Females who are broken in some way stay in their indifferent state, acting manly. Wither that's because they lack femanine features, whither it's pressures that have broken them and in reaction they don't develop into a well balanced adult it's the same. When men naturally look at tomboys they've got this feeling of wanting something sorta taboo, they want a women without the hypergamy. If a man wanted a women who acts like a man that's like a woman who wants a man who acts like a woman. In your mind it sounds desirable but in reality it's engaging in self destructive behaviour whether it's from your pursuit for these sort of people whatever AGE they may be. Or the female herself being neurotic.

Look, I like the fictonal description of tomboys in escapism because it's a fantasy but if your going to engage the fantasy with realism the fantasy breaks.
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>>4809748
>weird shit from INS is going to end up on the table.
Useless bunny goddess.
Or a Nekomata with 9 legs and 5 eyes for some fucking reason.
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>refusing to acknowledge Mordred
Uh.
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>>4809760
>Not true
You've activated my trap card.
LB6
Don't even need a Fantasy Tree because Rhongo would've worked.
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>>4809767
Does that actually work? It would oppose the Human Order to such a degree it either gets Culled, gets Counter Guardian'd, or stops the Age of Man in its tracks and ushers in some kind of faerie age. LB6 is described as pretty fucking dangerous.
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>>4809763
I completely agree with you, I've just never seen someone articulate it like your last post. That was an unironic based nod fren

Also all tomboys get fat and ugly really fast irl as they lack the cattiness and constant one upmanship towards other women which usually keeps them from overindulging in the readily available food of modern day
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>>4809767
Also, they have Morgan helping them or something, as seen with that weird bendy Rhongo reproduction that got shot into LB5.
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>>4809767
>>4809770
It's supposed to drop in June too, SOON tm
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>>4809760
>Not true, internal narration in either Apo or GO has Mordred acknowledging that she wouldn't be satisfied with merely that.
I'm pretty much disregarding Mordred's characterization in GO entirely, but iirc in Apocrypha all she wanted was to relieve her father of her burden and be recognized as a worthy successor. If Artoria had recognised her as her heir and allowed her to help govern, I'm pretty sure Mordred would have been satisfied.

>Age of Man is coming, and no stinking Mystery based agriculture and kingdom is surviving.
Artoria's failings directly lead to Camelot falling. The kingdom was probably fucked regardless, as you say, but Artoria hastened that end and made herself the cause instead of agriculture failing or something.

Retard knights were difficult to manage, yes, but Artoria failed at it utterly. Someone else at the helm would have done a better job, even with the same retards.

>The reason people followed Mordred was because people were starving
And if Mordred hadn't rebelled, but helped her father quell her people's unease? What then? Kingdom would probably have fallen still, but it would not have been Artoria's fault.

>>4809762
I agreed that Mordred is PHYSICALLY an adult, anon. I disagreed about the rest. One has to be both physically and mentally an adult for it to not count as grooming.

>>4809763
I've always instinctively disliked tomboys (as romance targets, not as people), but I think you've made me realize exactly why that is. Thank you fren.
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>>4809762
She may be immature in her soul space which means personality wise she's immature however she's still a women. To me her heritage of being born from a fairy, and as a product of incest makes sense why she's a tomboy if we were to approach something fantastival as that with realism. Considering the context to Mordred's orgins is arthur being a woman getting a magical penis and was raped by her own sister to make Mordred. It's interesting that through the orgins of dysfunction it created mordred, an emotionally developmentally stunted woman. The souce material lore inadvertently shows where tomboys come from, that's why you should engage in escapism without reality because the fantasy breaks down to realism scrutiny. If you try being objective with a crappy setting like nasuverse lot's of things break because of inconsistencies to make compelling stories. Even the QM pokes fun at how many plot holes there are, I just think when you approach this setting approach it with measured whimsy and have fun.

I don't agree that us pursing her would be grooming, that's grooming in practically. It may seem skeevy to some however it's not grooming because she's a woman.
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>>4809776
Camelot was destined to fall, regardless of what anyone did. BUT the people might have been slightly better off if the retards of the round didn't get into so many shitfights.

ProtoArthur is actually worse for this, he was on chad beasthunts constantly and ignored the people while doing so.
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How many times have we blocked our own cock now?
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>>4809776
>And if Mordred hadn't rebelled, but helped her father quell her people's unease
If you ignore GO stuff at all, then you'll never know because it was already said she wouldn't.

>The kingdom was probably fucked regardless
There is nothing probably about it. It was actually inevitable. You keep ignoring the agriculture literally failing because physics changing for some reason in a society where farming is still super fucking important which is stupid.

>Artoria hastened that end
How did she hasten the end? In the end Camelot fell because of the actions of Morgan, who by producing Mordred caused it, I'd say thats an outside aggressor, not an internal matter. Not like Arturia can revitalize the crops. You'd need someone who has inherited the magic of Britain and control it...some sort of...Morgan le Fay.

I don't think you can manage that band of autists unless you have either Curse level Charisma or Clairvoyance or something.

>>4809779
I think the best for Camelot's people would've been actually just going for an exodus to mainland Europe where Mystery was already gutted and super monsters weren't roaming the countryside. You basically literally cannot hold it, as Counter Force will fuck you anyway, as it did Souren Araya, even without expressly sending deathsquad CGs.
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>>4809782
Nasu is a retard anyway, King Artorius was requested to aide Rome against barbarian shitters, if he hadn't randomly made Tiberius some rival character the Britons could have sought temporary asylum while new laws of man and plants that functioned under them took root in the British isles.

They'd have to at worst just reconquer from some mud hut forestniggers in maybe a decade or two's time
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>>4809782
FGO butchers characterization.
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>>4809781
>>4808712
>>4808713
Those two are volcels.
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Also, I found the Mordred quote. It was in Apocrypha, volume 4, chapter 2, page 186

"She didn’t even think of asking to be loved. If at least… if at least some
interest had been shown towards her, if she had been at least looked at,
that alone would have been enough.
What a foolish thing to say. You would never have been satisfied. You would
have endlessly sought love, sought compassion and finally sought the right to the throne, until you spoiled that peaceful rule in the end—
A whisper came from deep inside her. Though she felt irritated at it,
she also agreed with it. "
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>>4809790
Morgan's curse or her own groomed by Morgan self me thinks
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>>4809778
>it's not grooming because she's a woman.
Thought experiment: Let's assume a child has an accident and falls into a coma. She wakes up a decade later or more. Physically she's a grown woman. Mentally, she's still a child with a lot of development missing. Is it ok to fuck her?

I don't think this is identical to Mordred's situation, but it's pretty similar imho. Mordred grew up too fast and she's missing crucial experiences too.

>>4809782
>If you ignore GO stuff at all, then you'll never know because it was already said she wouldn't.
GO directly contradicts Mordred's characterization in Apocrypha with this. I choose to trust Apocrypha.

>There is nothing probably about it. It was actually inevitable
Kingdoms have survived famines and bad harvests even if they caused periods of turmoil. There were ways to cope. Exodus was one, as you said, importing food and plant species was another. And even if Camelot's fall was inevitable, it could have been a gentler fall that left the people better off if only Artoria could understand how people worked.

Morgan played a part in producing Mordred, but Mordred wanted to help her father above all. She would not have rebelled if her father was less of an autist herself, and Morgan's scheme would have failed.

>>4809790
Now I need to check, give me some time. Is my memory that unreliable?
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>>4809790
I'm pretty sure that's just Mordred's self loathing again.
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>>4809792
>Exodus was one, as you said, importing food and plant species was another
I think this is actually brought up in Garden of Avalon.

Garden of Avalon Sound Drama - Twilight said:
"Saber: So… The reasons behind the drought and poverty were not only the invaders, you say?

Merlin: Unfortunately.
It is also because this island is far away from the continent.
But even with the continued disappearance of magic in this star,
This island is still layered with the air of antiquity.
It is because of that the Picts, dragons and succubus still exist.
Lastly, Britain inhabitants are also included in that category.

Saber: You say the population is also included?

Merlin: Not only the foreigners are the invaders.
The earth itself is being changed.
The bad harvest will probably continue until you guys perish.

Saber: So we should obtain and develop new means of living?
Plant imported seeds, accept different bloods, change our ways of existing in this island?

Merlin: What I’m saying is that that is one way from two options.

Saber: Either way…more time is necessary.
If we do maintenance or if we make changes,
All must be done after stopping the foreigner’s invasions.

Merlin: You think that you have a chance of victory, King Arthur?"

Supposedly this is why the Grail Quest was at thing, as a stopgap measure that could do a miracle and keep them going.
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>>4809790
You cut off some important context imho

But, if she hadn’t rebelled, the soul of the knight known as Mordred would have died.
Not acknowledged by anyone, gaining no interest from anyone, not loved by anyone or loving anyone. A peaceful world was a wonderful thing. The people who wagered their lives for its sake were also wonderful.
But why had the one who had given up everything for the sake of that wonderful dream not received even a little bit of affection?
She didn’t even think of asking to be loved. If at least... if at least some interest had been shown towards her, if she had been at least looked at, that alone would have been enough.
What a foolish thing to say. You would never have been satisfied. You would have endlessly sought love, sought compassion and finally sought the right to the throne, until you spoiled that peaceful rule in the end—
A whisper came from deep inside her. Though she felt irritated at it, she also agreed with it
That might be true,Saber of Red thought, reflecting on herself. After all, she didn’t even know what affection was. Was it sweet, bitter, sour or bland?
...But all people in this world sought it. It was surely a habitual thing, like a narcotic.
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And from the same volume, regarding Mordred's feelings about her childhood:

Heroic Spirits were summoned to win in the Holy Grail War. Even if they were given a second life, what was asked of them was only battle—so it couldn’t be helped.
Though Saber thus reasoned in her mind, her thoughts couldn’t ignore the truth that she was alone from the start even when she was alive.
Her mother Morgan had only seen her as a tool of revenge against her father. Because her growth had been quickened, there was no one who knew her from childhood either.
Even after she rose up to be a knight in Camelot, she had never interacted with the other knights.
The only thing she had was battle. Exchanging sword blows, cursing and trying to kill one another. That seemed to be the only form of communication that Saber knew.
There was only one person—who had been aware of her as ‘Mordred’ and with whom she had talked with her face unhidden.
Her father Arthur, who didn’t hold any interest in her.
Every time she remembered her father, she felt her guts boil. It was impossible to reach an understanding and be on equal ground withthat. To be able to converse with that mechanical doll that was extolled as the ideal king, she had to, at the very least, become king herself—
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>>4809796
>far away from the continent
Nasu confirmed not to know what a map is.
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>>4809796
Another interesting thing is that Prelati lumped the King of the Picts into the same category as "The big spider from the Cave of the Crystals" and the "cursed cat of Britain". So ORT and Primate Murder even if disregard. Nasu Picts are serious business.
Even if we disregard GO where Mordred says that people of today would think of Picts as extraterrestrials if they saw them. Somewhere in America.

>>4809797
I don't see it but okay? The question was whether Mordred would rebel, not why or what would happen if she didn't.

Though I do agree that Arturia shouldn't have been king, though its because nobody should've been king.

Best course of action was just escape.
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>>4809800
Texture shit spreads via cultural spheres, so its ???
Also, we know that he lumped South American and Mexican stuff into one pantheon.
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>>4809802
I hate Nasu's worldbuilding.
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>>4809796
Without the rebellion then, they would have had the time to implement those measures.

>>4809801
>I don't see it but okay?
I was more referring to
>That might be true,Saber of Red thought, reflecting on herself. After all, she didn’t even know what affection was. Was it sweet, bitter, sour or bland?
>...But all people in this world sought it. It was surely a habitual thing, like a narcotic.
As anon said, the voice telling her she wouldn't be satisfied anyway was her self-loathing, and she doesn't even fully agree with it herself.

Escape without a leader is a recipe for disaster as the panicked fleeing peasants trample and murder each other to get ahead.
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>>4809801
Now that I think about, Time is pretty good for Mordred if for no other reason than that it might let her evade being QTL'd into a shit timeline like Camelot was, though I don't know how that works with an unbranching timeline like this. Timeline mechanics are kinda weird with that.
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>>4809804
I meant in the sense that a leader for an exodus doesn't count as a King, otherwise we'd have Moses, King of Journeys or something.

I didn't read it as self-loathing but I may be blind.
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>>4809772
I have a thought expirament I want to explore about the /fit/ tomboy. Do they stay fit because they share the same mentality of a man who wants to be fit just because (Which ill illuminate with my own experiences) or is it rooted in vanity. Some guys stay fit for vanity too, personally I do it because I'm a bit of a hypochondriac and my hobbies associated was athletic(Track, running marathons) so that's why I'm fit. Is it rooted in narcissistic envy or is it because their hobbies as a side effect require athletic ability?

Here is my take; I think the modern-day tomboy usually is a fat slob because playing video games is so prominent to our society. It's the consumeristic approach to entertainment rather than playing stck ball or running. It's manly playing video games because your engaging with your hobby in it's purest form, at the root of a gamer they care about the game not everything tangentially associated with the game. As culture shifts it's become acceptable to be a gamer, a nerd yet not be socially ostracized lowering the bar for peple to game without worring about the social stigma associated with gaming. This of course doesn't apply to people who didn't care about socially acceptability in the first place thus the gamer is usually a term that is mired in stigma even to this day. For example when someone says sonething offensive in a game whither it's racist, sexist, ist-E.T.C. In it's purest form it's a reaction without any of the social standard applied to curb our language. That's why back in the day in halo 2 or COD lobbies gamer words was more akin to gamer language of derogatory. Gaming has always being counter culture and that's why puritains attack gaming constantly. Because gamers don't conform to the social standard when they engage with escapism to weigh down their experience thier hobby. That also manifests as uncleanliness, because some social standards are rooted in practicalities like being clean. The puritans infiltrate, influance companies and do what they can to curb our experiences. That's why the TOS has changed so now gaming platforms must police gamer conduct. I think gamers as how they treated each other in competition was primal. You said the worst shit possible because the other guy was competition and you hated their guts. Any quality they had you attacked to demoralize them and win not because you hated their features but to gain an edge. Throw them off their game as you will. Puritans eother understand this or they are ignorant of why we say these thing, simply becaise it's foul language. The puritian exists to destroy obscenity, even when the obscenity can be reasoned to be harmless. That in the concept of gamer words as obscenity doesn't mean it's rooted in the held belief of the individual saying it.

Part;1
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That's why you get over lap between people who are anti-racist, anti sexist, anti-IstE.T.C. and the puritian because because the liberal doesn't mind obscenity the puritian takes advantage of their intolerance to intolerance for "oppressed" groups which paradoxically the gamer words used aren't pointed at those groups but between gamers as a facet of competitive tactics of demoralization so basically they are protecting groups of people that doesn't exist in that exchange of Gamer words.

I digress, at some point I myself lost the plot and engaged in other thought expiraments but take away the initual thought expirament in modern tomboy physicality and arrive to your own conclusions.

Explore it in the thread, post it in it's comple form not to kill the bump limit.
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>>4809801
Just wall them off lmao, Based Hadrian
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Do you think the Argonauts are looking forward to meeting us?
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I guess my take away from gamer tomboys is that if their games aren't the WII or dance dance revolution then physically doesn't present observable advantages to win. If physically is associate with that hobby they'd be more fit, or maybe freakish genes gives them a fit disposition regardless of their health habits. If playing physically active games as a gamer, games that require you to move your body through a game mechsnic facilitated by a perpritary technology than yes that would make a demographic of tomboys fit. It just depends what experiences you want from gaming. Also depends on other factors that affect physicality and athleticism.
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>>4809813
Caenis probably heard our subordinate dabbed on a goddess.
Atalanta probably heard about Illya being saved.
Medea lily ????????
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>>4809813
Atalante is definitely looking forward to seeing Medea again. They were friends. And she's definitely looking forward to meeting our daughters, even if she doesn't know it yet.

Dunno about the rest. I imagine they'd be curious at the very least.

>>4809817
Medea saw too few dots for Medea Lily to have been summoned. I'm not discounting it entirely, but I wouldn't count on it either.
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>>4809820
Do Castor and Pollux count as one dot somehow? They share a Saint Graph iirc.
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>>4809820
Is it weird to adopt a younger version of your wife?
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>>4809826
I don't remember for sure, but I think they did count as one dot and that still left too few for Lily. Can't be bothered to go track it down now though.
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>>4809792
Morally it's ok because she's an adult. Just because she does reach those thresholds in emotional maturity and development maturity is fine. Let's get this straight, she's this way because of her orgins and because her short guilded life of being the most privileged person in the kingdom to be the daughter of the king. She didn't develop because she didn't have to and because she had a short life without life milestones like having a family.

What your equivilating this hypothetical person to is an animal because they are less of a person due to their lack of experiences not considering their cognition. What you are really arguing for is bestiality bad because you've dehumanized that person because as aforementioned they are less of a human because they lack those hunan milestones. As akin to a baby who doesn't reach those developmental thresholds to function but expanded to a comatose person with potential brain damage because why else were you inferring as to how they got in that coma? Brain damage.

I do not agree that it's grooming and you dehumanizing that individual in that though expirament can make it into a thought expirament for bestality as well. That is my unconventional though processes, take it as you will.
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Do you think we can unfuck Broken Rin by getting her Zero Rin's Sakura to take care of?
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>>4809829
Extremely

>>4809834
Are you talking about Mordred having a guilded life? If so, you couldn't be more wrong. Her life was anything but guilded. See >>4809799

And do you see a child as equivalent to an animal? Because your unconventional thought process is a little hard to follow.
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>>4809841
>And do you see a child as equivalent to an animal?
Yes.
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>>4809841
>Extremely
Is that going to stop us?
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>>4809850
Not at all.
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>>4809852
We've already got loli Rin.
Loli Sakura is next.
Loli Medea is only natural.
In a way snekdaughter is loli Shuten.
Advanced Loli Shuten but still.
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The daughter harem will be more dangerous than the actual harem.
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>>4809845
I do not think that people under a certain age haven't had their brain develop completely. I think that females have fragile minds and adding brain damage on top of that may reduce the humanity of that individual to that of less than human through personality and thought processes. I reach this conclusion because my own mother had her brain mushed up as a child in a car accident. Extreme brain damage that left her in a coma for months, after her miraculous recovery she never developed from that age. I'd argue that in fact the reason why she's bipolar and has memory issues is because the physical shape of her brain was altered. My mother of course had me, so it strikes close to home when you say someone who is immature in mind is being groomed pursuing a romantic relationship. She's obviously being take advantage of and I'm surprised I don't have more siblings because I was planned with my father however I must reconcile with a woman being groomed in your thought expirament to my mother. And yes through my own biases I consider her an animal, I do not love her because recently I've come to understand the full implications of her situation. I feel apathy towards her and that apathy is applied to women in comas. Sorry for the /rk9/ post.
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Well, I don't love her because of her behavior. Not because of her disability, though her disability is the cause of her behaviour of being a very chaotic destructive facet of my life but I digress.
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It's fine.
Kerry fugged a two year old.
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How long do we have till Ourobora tries to vore Tetsuka or Alitheia?
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>>4809868
If you reduce the statement to it's purest form it's valid however you remove all nuance and context. Kerry didn't even have relations with a human being, but an artificial person. She didn't need to experience those developmental thresholds because the effects of reaching them i.e. maturity was hard coded into her being when she was designed. The same could be said to illiya at any age however to a lesser effect because she's half human so her being of being a biological construct was tainted with human genetics which throws a wild card into the mix as to what exactly illiya is other than now being just another person. I don't think homunculus are comparable to humanity in mindset at all, perhaps in rampancy like in fictionalnsettings where AI lose control of themselves due to memory corruption but to a much larger and drastic degree applied to an organism with an inefficient meaty brain design with hormones and such.
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>>4809883
Alli keeping the rapidly growing voresnake coiled round her horn does have a cautionary tale vibe to it desu.
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I suppose personality development in homunculus is rampency, it's deviation from the original purpose of thar specification of that homunculus. That is why they are different from humans, it's a wild card to their origin of being an ottoman. A slave. A robot. It all makes sense if you look up the definitions.

I suppose personality development is the purest form of rebellion.
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>>4809887
Homunculi in general don't work like humans.
They are "magic circuits" that essentially have a host body grown around them, not the other way around.

Einzbern Homus are based on the Maidens of the Rhine as per the Rhinegold stuff. They are artifical Nature Spirits, and can even draw power directly from the land as per HA.
Homus also don't have souls as a human would recognize, same as is said of Arc.
They have something analogous, but its not a human kind of soul, to the degree that the Third Magician physically couldnt pass his Magic to them, because different soul(or no soul if you want to be pedantic).

Thats not a bad thing, but its a fact.
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>>4809899
Also, all Juzteaze models like Iri and Ilya inherit all of Juzteaze's memories and knowledge, including parts of past models iirc. So thats also an ???
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Mordred is for headpats, praising, conquering Britain and executing globohomo in original and entertaining ways
not for romance
you sick fucks.

That's what her mother is for.
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>>4809899
Illya got the 3rd though
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>>4809907
I think those parts are buried deep subconsciously.
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>>4809907
Zouken's Einzbern harem of daughterwifes?
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>>4809899
Thanks for informing me about this. The only things about nasuverse I know of is from this quest because the stories are so bad. Little details like how homunculuses are just ephemeral spirits given physical form through a construct built to facilitate the spirit is illuminating. I know believe with 100% certaintity it's possible to revive illiyas mother because if she were to "die" the spirit would simply pop in a mystery less world but luckily she is in the grail itself. There is some issues with corruption however our faithful ninja can purify her, thats how we will purify left manaka from her corruption as well. Really, everything is going according to plan in the document.
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>>4809912
Oyakodon.
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>>4809913
She was possessed by a Divine Spirit, aided by another and now shes turned from pseudo-Nature Spirit(shitty Elemental) into an actual Goddess. I think thats a bit out of specs, and weird even for a Magician.
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>>4809921
She did it in hf
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>>4809924
And died.
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>>4809919
To get that path you must gnome merlin. It should be fine though, have him consider it penitence for his shit personality which he didn't have control over because;fuch him. Unironically.
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>>4809926
But she did it. Anon's wrong about her and the 3rd
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>>4809917
I think Juzteaze is probably spread into two parts most likely. Her Magic Circuit integrates with the Grail system and leylines to do shit, and I think her actual self was dissolved into the Greater Grail to give it "Directionality" that might let it do large scale 3rd Magic or Root punching.

Directionality has a few meanings, one is the "coloring" of a spell like how Fire reinforcement is different from Water or whatever.
The Origin imparts Directionality onto a human, as one function, with the other being determining magic affinity. This directionality is shorthanded usually to ones Origin.
And I think Curses also have this stuff.
Shes prob saveable but we'll have to reconstruct her from scattered bits.
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>>4809924
Wasn't that just Dress of Heaven? Using that she could move Shirou soul anyway for a few moments. Thats not really the 3rd more than Kojirou swording is the 2nd.
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Eresh is the grail war mvp
Third Magic is back.
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>>4809932
Heavens Feel Movie 3 Booklet Q&A

"
Q11: This might be the last chance, so I'm asking, the Original/Former True Magician of the 3rd Magic of the Einzbern, can you tell us about him?


Ans- Nasu: The Original 3rd Magician disappeared from the World before the "Anno Domino/Common Era". The Homunculus who were left behind to leave behind his technique became the Einzbern. They had knowledge and wisdom beyond that of man, and had purity unlike that of man, so he tried hard to make them succeed his technique, but Homunculus who lacked a real soul couldn't achieve "Materialization of the Soul"."
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>>4809933
We could have used betty and grandpa to make a perfect replication of her. Alas grandpa was not agreeable at all.
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>>4809936
I dont know. You're the expert. I just saw her do it

>>4809942
How did she do it then?
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>>4809949
2 ways. Either as a half human she had a human enough soul, or . . . It was the Dress of Heaven which we already know can do this. She didnt ascend or immortalize his soul, she moved it.
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>>4809949
Half human.
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Goddess Illya totally dabs on Miyu lmao.
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>>4809959
We. Must. Save. Miyu. The living macguffin plot device loli.
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>>4809950
>>4809951
Makes sense now. Illyas the first homunculus with a soul thanks to kerry
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As for the Dress of Heaven, it can def do that.

"Fate/side material - Encyclopedia: Dress of Heaven [Armament], p.067
Dress of Heaven [Armament]
A magical artifact passed down by the Einzberns.
As the heart that governs the Great Holy Grail, it is imbued with sorcery that can materialize the soul for just a few seconds.
Though the dress is pure white, it is actually made of gold. It is inlaid with seven "rings" said to control creation, and the souls of others.
The seven holes in the dress are the seven transformed rings, and they are designed to light up one by one every time a Servant's soul is harvested.
Since any human who touches the dress will be turned to gold, its management must be handled by elementals, demi-humans, or homunculi."

If Einzbern stuff is based on Rhinegold Mystery, this is the magic ring made from it.
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>>4809963
Bro she probably doesn't even exist in this world.
Unless you want to show up in Oath under snow.
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>>4809965
I still think it was the Dress not her, since we see her wearing it. Also, the Dress turns anyone not an elemental, homunculus or somesuch into gold physically, so she probably was not human enough, or she wouldve died.
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>>4809969
Yea but my frame of refrence of illiya also has miyu in it. Illiya should now understsnd miyu more because she ascended into a divine being.
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>>4809973
Since demi-human is the same category as Elemental(Arc) and Homus, both of which have this "not a human soul" thing, even if Arc is technically a Materialized Soul, its different.
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>>4809973
Dress says a few seconds.
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>>4809974
But Miyu isn't even a real character.
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>>4809977
But thats what happened. She moved Shirou's soul in the few second. You know, like she does earlier in the Route when se mmoves his consciousness into a tree?
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What happens if we go to Apo and do nothing except give Mordred Caliburn?
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>>4809978
Yea but we'll get to see her character development in this quest.
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>>4809982
Shirous soul was in a cage. Illya didnt have a cage. She moved his soul for more than a few seconds. When did she put him in a tree?
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>>4809982
Specifically, more QnA

"...As to the state that Shirou was in, I will leave it up to your imagination. Since Shirou was reconstructed from a portion of Illya's body, in terms of size, you would not expect him to be the same as the original."

So she moved him into a body hastily constructed from her own flesh, it seems like.
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>>4809993
The VN itself says

"No, that's not right either.
Anyway, Shirou's body died.
That Holy Grail can't revive a dead body.
The Holy Grail Illya can only use the divine mystery called the Third Sorcery.
Illya managed to revive Shirou's soul with that.
She revived his soul and gave him a body free of wounds.

You might not believe me, but this is the Third Sorcery we're talking about.
It's not just putting your spirit into someone else's brain and controlling them.
Once you give it a container or a body, the soul manifested by the Third Sorcery will take perfect form.
It's the genes of the soul, not those of the body.
Preserving Shirou's soul, Ilya revived him by inserting it into a container.

…But it wasn't perfect. Maybe Illya's Third Sorcery didn't match the original.
A few days after the cavern collapsed, the Shirou Rider found was just a bit different from the Shirou we knew.
…No, she didn't find him, she picked him up… no, it was more like she plucked him out. "

So its ??? She used something, but it both wasn't the 3rd and kinda was?

I'll look into it more and try finding that tree part.
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The Einzbern really are megaretards huh?
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Looking forward to dabbing on Acht desu.
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>>4809373
>"...Let's go home."
>"...Can I spend some time petting your tails?"
No reason not to do both
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>>4809996
There is also the bad end when Shirou gets put into a doll.
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>>4810016
Though that may have more to do with the Einzbern Alchemy based on the "shifting of things/transfer of power", so who knows at this point.
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>>4810016
Being turned into a doll by Illya sounds fun.
Lets ask her to turn us into a cursed bean plush.
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Is Illya strong enough to be relevant yet?
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>>4810032
https://pastebin.com/S3Me8c9d
Read, nigger, read!
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>>4810037
What does that mean in people language?
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>>4809985
>>4810032
>>4810041
Why so much samefagging this thread?
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>>4810032
>>4810041
Open the link and read Illya's stats, 1 ID newfags.
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>>4809501
>killing them all
NPC magi are not people, anon.
The most efficient way to address Clocktower is to have a proper meeting with Waver and Reines.
Reines get her crest and eyes fixed, Waver gets Iskandar, we show them our most prominent allies and have them be introduced to King Mordred. We strike a deal with them in exchange for supporting King Mordred they get to be in control of Clocktower and keep things cleaner. We provide money, resources and mystic codes and they use it to subdue rest of factions and group within it. After they achieved dominance, we organize meeting for them with Mordred and make Clocktower swore allegiance to Mordred with Karna overseeing it. We arrive incognito a day or two prior to grand meeting as "friends of Lord El-Melloi II" to mess with normies and check situation on the ground.
Whole scheme will take just enough time for us to deal with much more important things.
>>4809650
>and what will be the hangout budget for each?
You make them have good relationship with each other to make it much easier to manage.
Illya already going to be friend with Eresh and Vritra and Mordred have their competitive urge sated with each other.
We just keep it up and we are good for the most part.
You also forgot to include Altrouge as she is super obsessed with Shinji.
I would differently rank Alaya and Illya higher too. And add Morgan to the mix since I am quite certain we left quite an impression on her after Time.
Also, poor Giselle.
>>4809850
No.
>>4810002
Always were.
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>>4810037
>>4810044
Does this mean she can rebuild her castle with a wish?
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>>4809829
We're doing it with Rin so...
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For me it's Reines.
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>>4810055
Taiga.
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>>4810045
Damn, I knew I forgot someone. Poor Giselle.
And I suppose Altrouge and Morgan too.
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>>4810055
Iskandar
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>>4810066
Disgusting.
Give me femGil and I'll support you.
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>>4810074
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One of Waver's groups servants was Mommy Raicow right?
Or probably her.
Will seducing her be difficult if we show her our daughter collection?
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>>4810085
Raikou is extremely easy, might be even easier when she sees us with Shuten
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>>4810085
We just show her our collection of 303 pure blood onis.
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>>4810080
>King of Heroes
I kneel.
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>>4810045
We re going to the clocktower. More fun than killing everyone. Or will you samefag to vote against?
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Did Wendyman die already?
Time to summon him.

Questo ga shinda!
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>>4810105
No you.
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>>4810099
You have harem with 14 or more girls who barely interacted with each other and right after the war you want to take third of them and ditch everyone else to go on incognito to study a semester in Hogwarts without any real goal or preparations.
Maybe Sakura was right to worry about Shinji`s mental health.
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>>4810112
seethe
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>>4810108
QM why do you tolerate samefagging? This threads full of it.
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>>4810112
Goal is to take over the clocktower. What preparations you want, you dont want to go.
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Does Reinnes already have Trimmau with her?
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>>4810117
>What preparations you want
>>4810045
>The most efficient way to address Clocktower is to have a proper meeting with Waver and Reines.
>Reines get her crest and eyes fixed, Waver gets Iskandar, we show them our most prominent allies and have them be introduced to King Mordred. We strike a deal with them in exchange for supporting King Mordred they get to be in control of Clocktower and keep things cleaner. We provide money, resources and mystic codes and they use it to subdue rest of factions and group within it. After they achieved dominance, we organize meeting for them with Mordred and make Clocktower swore allegiance to Mordred with Karna overseeing it. We arrive incognito a day or two prior to grand meeting as "friends of Lord El-Melloi II" to mess with normies and check situation on the ground.
I think this is very effective way to address both interest in clocktower adventures as well as doing all other post war activities.
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>>4810121
Thats not preparation to go to clocktower. That's leaving it to someone else
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>>4810124
How exactly are you planning take over the clocktower?
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All women are mentally children
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>>4810131
By flexing and using speechcraft
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>>4810045
A) I said it before and you ignored me, but Waver and Reines are patently unsuited to taking over the Cocktower by themselves. Waver is barely a lord, he is not a schemer, he is being watched, and he'll have a heart attack if you tell him you want him to lead a conspiracy. Reines IS a schemer, but she has far less power and intelligence than what you assume. The monsters of the Clocktower will eat her alive if she tries scheming to take over, even if we remotely help with some trinkets. They will fail and we'll have to purge the Clocktower with fire and blood. Is this what you want?
B) Instead of going to the Clocktower and dealing with the one thing that can't be done without us you want us to do what, timeskip cultivate and fight endless battle after battle? Were you that bored with today's relaxations?

>Altrouge
So I guess you're one of the pokemon collectors as well, huh?

>>4810055
Waver belongs to Reines.

>>4810087
Have you forgotten what Raikou's history with Shuten is?

>>4810121
What other post war activities cannot be done without us?

>>4810131
Have you missed every single discussion about this? We go incognito, we explore, we discover the secrets, we meet the people, we figure out who we want to bring in, and we convince them with our unique approach and all the bullshit we can offer them.

Go reread the Clocktower Carnival for a minor taste.
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>>4810137
well we're not gonna fucking let them kill each other so they'll just have to silently seethe and take jabs at each other whenever they can
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>>4810141
Raikou and Shuten? Yes, we're not letting them kill each other, just like we're not letting Medea kill Jason. But that doesn't mean getting Raikou in the harem.
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>>4810144
Cute that you think that'll stop coomers.
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>>4810155
I will keep fighting against the gotta catch em all insanity until the bitter end. The coomers may still win and they may finish their pokemon collection so they can feel a momentary satisfaction about putting two dozen girls in a box, but it will not be for lack of trying on my part.
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>>4810160

>"...Let's go home."
>>4809389
>>4809430
>>4809493
>>4809569
>>4809620

>"...Let's go home."
>"...Can I spend some time petting your tails?"
>>4809415
>>4809517
>>4810005

>"...Can I spend some time petting your tails?"
>>4809417
>>4809433
>>4809446
>>4809458
>>4809466
>>4809470
>>4809536
>>4809645

>>"...Can I spend some time petting your tails?"
>Pet tail
>Pet tail
>Pet tail
>Pet tail
>Headpat and touch ears
>>4809488

Tail petting wins, unsurprisingly.
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>>4810163
you barely try
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>>4810160
touching fluffy tails
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>>4810167
Great, we can spend an update doing nothing and than we have to wait another 2 hours to actually move the story forward.
Why couldn't they have voted to do both. It's not like tail petting is very time consuming.
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Do you want to pet tails and also go home?
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>>4810172
ye
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>>4810172
Yes
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>>4810163
the only way for this clustefuck to unfold in a way that would leave everyone at least partially satisfied would be if the Casters somehow found a way to rip Shinji's head open and incarnate every individual voice from in it so they can dedicate themselves to their waifu, or be passed around by the waifu gang.
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>>4810168
Haven't you been around? What more could I possibly do?

>>4810170
>we can spend an update doing nothing and than we have to wait another 2 hours to actually move the story forward
Do you not understand the concept of relaxation anon? Why are you that impatient?

>>4810172
Petting tails won, not both. Let's not invalidate the vote. You had something in mind when you offered that option, I assume we'll go home right after anyway.
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>>4810172
works for me
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>>4810177
>if the Casters somehow found a way to rip Shinji's head open and incarnate every individual voice from in it so they can dedicate themselves to their waifu
WhatIs has confirmed. No puppets, no clones, no time dilation, no easy solutions. Only hard work to make the girls actually happy. This is what the haremfags wanted, and by god they'll be getting it.
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>>4810179
We have pet her tails like 3 times already.
What's the point of another update doing that? It gets boring after a while.
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>>4810172
Yessu, good Tamamo date QM.
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>>4810183
>they
nope, all of us will be getting that.
Although I suppose it's preferable to most of the alternatives imaginable, like femme fatale.
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>>4810184
That's what the people voted for. I didn't, but I see no reason not to let them have another tail petting update. I am not impatient at all.
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>>4810134
Hardly helped Flat. Most of magi will only respect you if you put a boot on their neck.
>>4810137
>I said it before and you ignored me
I am quite certain this is first time I talked about Clocktower arc and my opinion on it.
>Waver and Reines are patently unsuited to taking over the Cocktower by themselves. Waver is barely a lord, he is not a schemer, he is being watched, and he'll have a heart attack if you tell him you want him to lead a conspiracy. Reines IS a schemer, but she has far less power and intelligence than what you assume. The monsters of the Clocktower will eat her alive if she tries scheming to take over, even if we remotely help with some trinkets. They will fail and we'll have to purge the Clocktower with fire and blood. Is this what you want?
Now this is a good argument for it for once. They are fucking useless and need our help to do damage control after the war.
>Were you that bored with today's relaxations?
And did you already ditched your idea about doing right by the girls and spending time with them and make sure they feel good?
>So I guess you're one of the pokemon collectors as well, huh?
>as she is super obsessed with Shinji.
Here is a key part. I don`t care about her personally but she will show up eventually. So you need to keep her in mind if you think about girl problem.
>What other post war activities cannot be done without us?
Girl management, preventing Strange Fake, Aylesbury ritual, saving Kiara. And I am sure all those adopted children would love to spend time with their parents in a normal way.
>We go incognito, we explore, we discover the secrets, we meet the people, we figure out who we want to bring in, and we convince them with our unique approach and all the bullshit we can offer them.
Poison gas approach seems more efficient. Or mindrape teleportaion deathsquads.
Well, maybe WhatIs has a lot of prepared for it because that one joke that happened in that Carnival will become stale really fast.
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>>4810172
Yes please.
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>>4810172
Sure.
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>>4810172
No
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>>4810190
Flat is a retard
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>>4810186
You're right about that, anon. We'll all be living with the consequences of this. And it could certainly have been worse, and it would have been worse if we hadn't actually put in the work to resolve it now and do it with the minimum of tears other than Sakura's, almost. That's what I've been trying and will keep trying to do, minimize the damage.
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>>4810197
we're all gonna make it
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>>4810172
Yes.
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>>4810190
>I am quite certain this is first time I talked about Clocktower arc and my opinion on it.
I apologize, I had the exact same conversation with another anon last night in this thread, and this thread is the first time any objections to us going to the Clocktower have cropped up. I assumed you were him coming for a second go.

>I don`t care about her personally but she will show up eventually
Then we beat her up, turn her dog back into Fou and reverse her contract so she becomes Satsuki's slave. Problem solved. We don't want her in the harem, do we?

>Girl management
With Medea with us, distances mean nothing to us. We'll be able to do it from halfway across the world. We'd be busy doing something anyway, right?
>preventing Strange Fake
We tell Medea to scry Prelatti, we pay her a visit, we feed her to Sakura. Problem solved, less than an afternoon's work.
>saving Kiara
We tell Medea to scry her, we pay her crazy cult a visit with Tamamo and Atalante, we save her. Problem solved, less than an afternoon's work
>saving Mashu
You forgot about that, but it's also something we'll be doing next week in less than an afternoon's work.
>Aylesbury ritual
That's something long term that's also in England. We don't need to do it right away, we actually need to prepare for it, and it'll become much easier if we deal with the Clocktower and England first.
>I am sure all those adopted children would love to spend time with their parents in a normal way.
They'll be with us in London. We'd be busy doing something anyway, why not the Clocktower?
>Poison gas approach seems more efficient. Or mindrape teleportaion deathsquads.
Killing them all would be more efficient, yes. But not all of them deserve to die, and we'll be left with a corpse-filled ruin instead of a functional institution. Why go for the easy solution instead of the best solution?

And you seem to be assuming we'll be rushing off to the Clocktower the very day the war ends. Why? If it's like a normal school, classes begin in September. It's currently January. We have a few months to settle our other affairs first and spend time relaxing with our wives and daughters.

>>4810198
I am somewhat optimistic after today, yes.
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>>4810190
>maybe WhatIs has a lot of prepared for it
WhatIs has actually said he's incredibly excited for the Clocktower arc. I trust him completely.

Missed a bit, not deleting my other post for this.
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>>4810172
Yes
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>>4810195
His savant syndrome is a bitch.
>>4810203
>You forgot about that
Oh yeah, we have to lynch Marisbury.
>They'll be with us in London.
>Taking your children to London
You are an awful parent.
>But not all of them deserve to die
They are all heretics.
>Why?
Didn`t you argument with that other guy was about how there is no need for a year or a half of preptime? You were in favour of immediate action or something but I skipped most of it though.
>If it's like a normal school, classes begin in September. It's currently January.
Tight clock for TATARI. And if that is going to be the case that entire argument is null because most of other shit will be done before Clocktower arc so clash of priorities will be avoided for the most part. And good luck to Waver for those months.
>>4810204
And I trust in Niggerman and our Conceptual autism to derail it.
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>>4810203
Wait until we find out Shinji's Coom of Truth (tm) makes women addicted and unhinged.
I'm surprised QM totally skipped describing mana drain when kissing Tamamo.
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>>4810172
Yuh
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>>4810236
>I'm surprised QM totally skipped describing mana drain when kissing Tamamo.
She didn't feel like draining you dry.
Yet.
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>>4810240
A shame.
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>>4810234
>They are all heretics.
So are we.
>Didn`t you argument with that other guy was about how there is no need for a year or a half of preptime?
At some point I stopped understanding what he was arguing for, but he began by arguing for us spending a year or more to cultivate, become a combat monster and personally oversee our allies' preparations for taking over the world instead of heading to the Clocktower. He also said we should let Waver and Reines take care of the Clocktower for us. I never said we should rush off immediately, I've been arguing for killing Prelatti and saving Mashu and Kiara asap for ages.
>Tight clock for TATARI
I admit I'd forgotten about him. We should have enough time though, and I don't imagine spending more than a day kicking his ass. At worst we'll skip some classes to do it.
>clash of priorities will be avoided for the most part. And good luck to Waver for those months.
That's one of the reasons I've been arguing for the Clocktower so much. There is nothing more important we could be doing instead, and we can deal with the most critical things in the time we have before we get there. Waver has managed for years, he'll manage for a few months. We'll not be asking him to start the conspiracy without us.

>And I trust in Niggerman and our Conceptual autism to derail it.
What makes you think those aren't also part of the plan?

>>4810236
Well, we'll have to see how Sakura will be tomorrow. I do hope the coom of Truth is not actually an addictive mind-altering substance.
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>>4810267
>I don't imagine spending more than a day kicking his ass
That's... That is how TATARI works, yes.
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>>4810240
I honestly curious how many girls that sentence doesn’t apply to
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>>4810275
See? Problem solved, we'll only miss a day of classes.

I don't actually remember TATARI all that well, and I couldn't be bothered to check the wiki.
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>>4810240
She continues to impress. She is much better girl than the initial encounter would seem to indicate.
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>>4810267
>So are we.

>become a combat monster
Good idea.
>personally oversee our allies' preparations
Mostly pointless since social links are more important. And our allies are incompetent anyway.
Not even few thousand word long character sheet and cheat Concept going to save a jobber.
>>4810278
>I don't actually remember TATARI all that well
TATARI is going to be sooooo fun.
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>>4810282
>Good idea.
Why? We're a support class and we don't have the trainer necessary to improve our martial arts. We have other people for being in the frontline. The Nigger said we should focus on Truth Item Creation when we can, and I completely agree with him.

>our allies are incompetent anyway.
Why do you say that?
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>>4810298
>We're a support class
don't we have insane potential for damage that bypasses literally any defenses that may exist in the setting
>and we don't have the trainer necessary to improve our martial arts
We has Scathach, Miyako for plot synergy and her Servant, then there's Kouma and I'm sure any of our martial allies would be happy to spar. Especially Lugh.
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>>4810300
Karna for Indian martial arts memes and Ciel and Kotomine Rin so we can rip through vampires
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>>4810298
>Why?
Because it is good to have those skills. You never know which magecraft field will end up as next Truth Healing.
>Mystic Code Creation
>Manipulation of Magic Crests
>Projection
However, he is not wrong that those are good time investments.
And I fully agree with >>4810300 anon here. We have many options for martial arts now.
>Why do you say that?
They are welcome to impress me in the next battles if they can.
>>4810306
Real meme is to force Rin to return to her gem martial arts roots.
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>>4810300
>don't we have insane potential for damage that bypasses literally any defenses that may exist in the setting
Have you forgotten already what happened when Cu briefly fought us seriously? We are completely outclassed in pure combat potential by the people around us, and we should focus on improving our strengths so we can enhance them even more instead spending precious time trying to obsolete them so we can do everything ourselves but worse. We have a lot of people around, we don't need to do everything ourselves.

>Scathach
I don't want to learn how to chuck spears from her. Rune magic would be nifty, but Shishou would have a problem with us learning her area of specialty from someone else. It'd be like us admitting we are unsatisfied with her as a teacher.

>Miyako
She came for us to train her, remember?

>Kouma and I'm sure any of our martial allies would be happy to spar
The problem is that none of them know Bajiquan, and we are a Bajiquan master. Why spar to train yet another martial arts we're not going to use instead of improving our strengths?

>>4810309
>Because it is good to have those skills. You never know which magecraft field will end up as next Truth Healing.
But you're saying we should spar and learn some new martial arts. We KNOW none of that will be the next truth healing.

If we find a way to improve Bajiquan, I won't oppose that. But we used Snake Style only to kidney punch Jason, and any other martial art we learn will be similarly useless.
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>>4810309
>Real meme is to force Rin to return to her gem martial arts roots.
We could just get really good at martial arts and her ego would force her to start getting good at it too
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>>4810317
Scathach isn't just spear throwing, it's all manner of weaponry, take a look at Saber Cu's skill. Also Li Shuwen is likely summoned so we should learn from him, he's famously brutal though
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>>4810317
>Have you forgotten already what happened when Cu briefly fought us seriously?
That's... not really argument to neglect our own melee ability at all, because there's limits to who and how fast we can bring to our side, the ass whooping by Cu being an example of that.

As for Bajiquan, bringing Miyako in as partner is the point that should get us past our present plateau. And it's implied in the char sheet itself that one way to advance in melee is to integrate what we already know with other styles, like Snake one.
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>>4810317
>We KNOW none of that will be the next truth healing.
Wait and Hope.
>>4810318
>"Rin, can you summon me that one Rin from fighting game who can punch Servant to death with no effort?"
Kino.
>>4810322
I hope he is here too and we are fine after Touko`s training.
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>>4810322
>all manner of weaponry
And we're an expert at fighting without weapons. How does that help us?

I would not oppose learning from Li Shuwen, if he is indeed Second Assasin, he's the only one who can actually improve what we can already do instead of helping us learn yet another thing we'll never use and Touko was similarly brutal. But learning spear chucking or pankration or indian martial arts or whatever is just a waste of time, and time is precious.

>>4810329
>because there's limits to who and how fast we can bring to our side
Only because we were impatient and rushed in with no preparation, no planning and no backup. If we hadn't been foolhardy, none of that would have happened. That's an argument for us thinking ahead and planning more, not for learning useless things that would not have helped anyway.

>bringing Miyako in as partner is the point that should get us past our present plateau
Is it? She is a novice, we are the best practitioner on the planet. We won't learn anything from her.
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>>4810338
How is weapon training useless for a guy that can make ultimate conceptual weapons at will?
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>>4810338
>She is a novice
Up until TATARI rolls around, then she's explicitly Li Shuwen level
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>>4810341
Based, we don't have to be pure heal-brawler. We could also get better with our truth sword.
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>>4810338
>Only because we were impatient and rushed in with no preparation,
That's true, you're right. But we can't expect the circumstances to allow us to make our choice of who to bring into any given situation. All our allies will not always be available for a number of reasons.

>Is it? She is a novice, we are the best practitioner on the planet. We won't learn anything from her.
You don't give her enough credit, and you underestimate the factor that teacher learns from their student as well.
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>>4810350
We should also concept our free Gáe Bolg from Scáthach`s training with something really strong.
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>>4810341
We are completely unskilled with them, and our Truth projection lightsabers tear through anything anyway. Our time would be better spent learning Truth Item Creation so we can kit ourselves in gear that will let us bridge the gap AND enhance our allies even more.

>>4810346
We're talking about what do before Tatari though. Or at least I assumed so. But yes, that makes Li Shuwen unnecessary. We'll just wait for Miyako to git gud.

>>4810351
>But we can't expect the circumstances to allow us to make our choice of who to bring into any given situation
We cannot prepare for everything. Combat training helps us ONLY in very specific cases that has literally never happened before in this entire Grail War except when it was our own damn fault. AND it helps only if it allows us to fight on Cu's level after only a brief amount of training, which I do not believe will be the case at all. There are a lot of things we could do instead to better spend our precious, precious time.

>You don't give her enough credit, and you underestimate the factor that teacher learns from their student as well.
She really is a novice, for now. We have trained and spared with the best practitioners of the planet. No human alive can teach us how to be better at Bajiquan. Training Miyako will not help us become better and we shouldn't expect it. We're doing it for her, not us.

>>4810354
Stronger than just Truth deleting something? We don't need more weapons, we need to improve what we already have.
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>>4810362
We're not going to be truth deleting anything if we can't hit it, or if it hits us before we do.
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>>4810367
We're going against his narrative of Shinji, no fun allowed.
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>It can be used when Billy is in the process of being attacked by an enemy, and so long as the attack is one that can be evaded, he will shoot three times at the opponent before the attack reaches him, canceling out the attack and usually fatally wounding the enemy with three unavoidable shots to their vitals. One to the heart, one to the spine, and one to the brain.
>It warps causality to always strike the opponent in the heart with a needle thin concentrated blast right before they unleash their ultimate attack. The condition for its use is that the opponent must use their strongest attack, and Fragarach must be used directly after the enemy's strike. It would normally be that Fragarach would kill the enemy, and the opponent's attack would also simultaneously destroy Bazett.
We add Preemption to add effects of Billy`s Noble Phantasm and Fragarach to it.
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>>4810369
So, anon, only what you want is fun and no one is allowed to disagree, huh? An interesting take for sure. How fun has puppetcraft been, for example? How many times have we used Snake Style?
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>>4810382
Yeah
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How long did Cu train with Scatach?
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>>4810382
>So, anon, only what you want is fun and no one is allowed to disagree, huh?
That's how you act, yes.
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>>4810369
Actually I agree that we could make some tremendously useful items, too, although these will likely be very situational as well. One thing we’re gonna be needing is a bottomless bag that will always produce item we want to take out of it.

Also ammo for Billy.
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>>4810383
>>4810386
You retards hating on the namefag have become more annoying than him
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>>4810382
Well we used puppet craft in school and running our Corp so I’d say it was pretty useful.
And we used snake style to please Medea, that alone makes it worth it.
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>>4810382
>puppetcraft
Was super useful for our normie things.
We never properly invested into it
And we never tried to create puppets with Truth or make conceptual puppets.
>Snake Style
Killing Arts are cool. And it is like you are trying to have bad opinion here.
>>4810385
Year or so in the myths I think.
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>>4810387
>these will likely be very situational as well
What makes you think that? Truth is incredibly powerful, our Truth items should be incredibly powerful as well.
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>>4810390
Year is too much. Wasnt he a warrior before too?
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>Scáthach was the daughter of Árd-Greimne of Lethra. She lived on an island (thought to be the Isle of Skye) in an impregnable castle, the gate of which was guarded by her daughter Uathach. At this fortress Scáthach trained numerous Celtic heroes in the arts of pole vaulting (useful in the assault of forts), underwater fighting, and combat with a barbed harpoon of her own invention, the gáe bolg. Her best-known student was Cú Chulainn, who stayed with her for a year in order to learn the skills that helped him win many battles. A number of other heroes of Celtic mythology also owed their prowess to the training of the Amazon Scáthach.
From Encyclopedia Britannica.
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>>4810382
The problem is you suggest nothing, only denigrate ideas others put forward.
We've used puppetcraft in the background this entire time, and we literally just used Snake Style.
You act as if people are foolish for suggesting we train with weapons, when Truth weaponry has proven much more reliable than the Truth based energy attacks you seem to see as the default.
Attempting to attack with a manifested beam of truth has consistently been shown as unreliable and unwieldy even with an unlimited supply of magical energy.
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>>4810388
Yeah
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"I think we ought to go home now, Tamamo, but... well, I might have developed an addiction." You slightly smile, trying to cover a small blush forming on your face. Your eyes follow the movement of the four tails of Tamamo as they gently sway about, you didn't actually ever expect to be able to indulge yourself like this. You can't deny it, you definitely have an attraction to inhuman traits. Whereas some others might be afraid or on edge by obvious inhumanity like tails or horns, you only find them... intriguing. You're sure that you're not alone when you think this, either.

"An addiction...? Whatever to?" Tamamo raises an eyebrow at you again, you can tell that she's already much more comfortable around you now that the two of you have shared such a truly passionate kiss, and you'll gladly accept all the love that she has for you. You're a little confused by the fact that when you kissed Tamamo, you couldn't actually feel her draining your magical energy at all. Was she holding herself back? She must've been, if she wanted to, she could've basically taken all of the magical energy in your body with a chance like that, she's a Caster, after all, and while saliva isn't the most efficient medium of transfer, for somebody like a Caster, draining the energy of somebody entirely with just a kiss would be very simple.

You decide that instead of giving her an answer, you'll just walk behind her, reach out, and then start stroking her tails again, enjoying the way they coil around your arm like well... like incredibly fluffy snakes, if you had to compare them to anything. You know for a fact that if Tamamo wanted to, she could easily pull the average man apart with those four tails of hers. Even if she's not especially physically strong for a Servant, she is very much still a Servant, and is also capable of increasing her physical strength by a great deal with her magecraft, if she felt like it. Though the fact that the fluffy cute tails coiling around you could reduce you to a pile of bloody limbs in a moment if Tamamo wanted to, you couldn't feel more at ease as the four tails embrace your body, and it feels less like you're the one petting the tails and more like the tails are showing their affections to you.
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"You're quite the strange person, aren't you, Husband...?" Tamamo turns her head to look at you again, losing yourself in her fluffy tails. "Honestly, those... those aren't the only part of my body that I'd be happy with letting you play with you know?!" Tamamo raises her voice seemingly accidentally, and immediately flushes red. At the same time, the tails involuntarily tighten around your arms and one wraps around your waist before hoisting you up into the air. It's not at all uncomfortable, even after the grip tightens though. Tamamo is still being incredibly gentle with you, and it's almost as if the tails have a mind of their own as they act sometimes. Is Tamamo actually getting jealous about the fact that you're paying so much attention to her tails? How strange. Then again, considering that those same tails are very much likely to take on their own identities if Tamamo were to separate them from her body, you suppose that it's not really all that strange. The full Tamamo Nine should exist, right? Because of the whole fact they were thrown into Imaginary Number Space. Honestly, when you want to get rid of something, throwing them into a timeless void that connects to practically any point in history is only a good idea on paper. All the power of Amaterasu and that was the best she could come up with? Oh well, at least Cat exists to offset how horrible the rest of Tamamo's tails are when they gained their own awareness.

"I'll... I'll keep that in mind." Your response is kind of sheepish as you actually realize what it is that Tamamo is implying. Wow, that's... really not what you were expecting her to respond with. Then again, to Tamamo, you suppose that constantly showing affection to her tails might be its own form of teasing. "Would you mind letting me down now?" While you could happily spend the entire day suspended in the comforting grasp of Tamamo's fluffy tails, you do very much need to actually get on with the rest of the day. You need to spend some time with everyone else, and while it would be easy to just allow Tamamo or any singular beautiful girl to fill the entire day by themselves, you've got something of a schedule that you want to keep following, and you don't want to let everyone else down... A sad reality of your life, you suppose. Having to make everyone else happy, even at the expense of your own happiness. It is starting to dawn on you just what that truly means.
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Tamamo's tails carefully bring you back down to Earth, and you feel a little bit relieved to be standing on your own two feet once again. While you had no worries that the tails would harm you at all, there's a basic human preference for being able to control your own body, and being suspended in the air is something that instinctively, the body will rebel against the idea of. Of course, you were very much comfortable in the fluffy grasp, but still, it is nice to be on your own two feet. "Thank you, Tamamo." You thank the woman for letting you down, and then you look at her bunny suit... Screw it, she can keep wearing it, if anybody starts trouble over it, you'll let Tamamo deal with them. "Now, let's go home, shall we? Did you enjoy yourself?"

"More than I thought I would, actually." Tamamo smiles at you. "I must admit, I was... looking for an excuse to bury my emotions throughout this date. If I thought for a moment that you weren't sincere..." Tamamo shrugs. "You're really not like other men, are you?" The girl sighs, apparently annoyed. "I thought that if we went on a date, I'd be able to pass an unfavorable judgment on my emotions to you to give me an excuse to try to forget this love I feel for you, but... instead, those feelings... they've only gotten stronger." The fox woman makes a complicated expression. Seems like she went on this date with a hidden motive, yet doesn't actually want to keep that hidden motive a secret any longer.

"That's fine, Tamamo. There's no reason to be so ashamed about having those feelings. After all, wasn't that why we went on this date in the first place? To see if you were still interested in me after finding more about me? The fact that you were actively looking for reasons to dislike me doesn't change things at all from my perspective... in fact, I'm actually glad to have somebody observing me so critically." You weren't expecting this from Tamamo, of course, but you're glad she revealed her true motive to you. It seems that even with that in mind though, you managed to do nothing but impress her on this brief date. Honestly, despite your brief experience with the Kaleidostar, you don't feel like you'll ever be able to understand women. Speaking of Amethyst, you really need to start looking for her at some point. Still, there's one thing you can say that will get Tamamo to lighten up a little, you think... "I love you."

"I... I love you too, Husband." She's quick to respond to your declaration of love with one of her own, and you smile happily at her.

"Let's head back, alright?" Tamamo nods, and you head out of the shop with her still wearing her bunny suit. She does indeed catch quite a few gazes as the two of you walk back to your car, but then you realize that the area you're walking into is... strangely devoid of people. Not that uncommon, you suppose, maybe it's just a slow day?
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"Husband... Stay behind me." Tamamo's eyes dart around the empty street. She must've felt something wrong as well. Whatever is going on here, it looks like an enemy may very well be about to attack you during the daytime. The streetlights around you all explode despite there not being any reason for them to even be active at all, the heat of the explosions being great enough to melt even metal! You hear footsteps approaching from an alleyway, with the street so deathly quiet, you could even hear a pin drop.

>'Medea! A teleport for me and Tamamo back home, immediately if you would!'
>"Tamamo, blow them away."
>Wait for whoever this is to show themselves, you might be able to have a dialogue.
>Grab Tamamo by the arm and start running.
>Write-in...
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>>4810395
Speaking of training with weapons and shit we need to learn. We really need to pick up Spiritron Hacking.
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>>4810408
>>Wait for whoever this is to show themselves, you might be able to have a dialogue.
>>Tell Medea to be on standby in case a fight breaks out
Tamamo is pretty fucking strong she should be able to handle herself, in case she can't, well, Plan B
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>>4810390
>We never properly invested into it
I'm pretty sure we did as much as we could with it. Truth is incompatible with puppets, WhatIs has confirmed it.

>Killing Arts are cool
We should be spending our time on useful shit instead of cool shit or we'll fill our charsheet with a dozen different cool things that we never use.

>>4810395
>The problem is you suggest nothing, only denigrate ideas others put forward.
What the actual fuck, have you been reading nothing at all? I suggested truth item creation, I suggested Bajiquan, I suggested spending time with our wives and daughters, I suggested going to the clocktower instead of spending too much time cultivating. Do you just skim over my posts before you attack?

>Truth weaponry has proven much more reliable
I don't agree with that at all, but there's not much of a point with arguing when you won't even read what I say, is there?

>>4810401
>incredibly fluffy snakes
Big hmmm

>>4810409
Why?
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>>4810392
He was and so are we.
If it is at least half a year before any major arc as >>4810203 our Sakura is telling me here letting Scáthach do her training is no-brainer.
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>>4810408
>>4810412
Support.
I hope its someone we can convince.
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>>4810408
>'Medea! A teleport for me and Tamamo back home, immediately if you would!'
That's Tesla, he eats magecraft, Tamamo is useless against him, we need to gtfo now!

Also, we promised we wouldn't get into trouble.
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>>4810408
>Medea! A teleport for me and Tamamo back home, immediately if you would!'
We promised
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>>4810417
>Witchcraft
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>>4810415
But we wont become good enough with half the training
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>>4810408
>Grab Tamamo and start running
In case the aura already interferes with teleport
>Medea! A teleport for me and Tamamo back home, immediately if you would!'
Much as I’d like to meet
Monica, now’s really not the time.
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>>4810415
Cu trained full time under Scathach, anon. We have other things to do. And he was a much better warrior before he started training than we are right now.

>>4810420
>Galvanism (A Rank): By instantly converting attacks without form such as magic light, magic wind, and magic bullets into electricity and charging it, Tesla can recharge his own mana.
Doesn't matter, he can fucking eat light. Tamamo can do nothing against him
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>>4810408
Supporting >>4810412

>>4810414
>Why would we want cheap magecraft that runs on OD, can be sent through technology and can be used to make insane super tech?
Gee, I don't know?
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>>4810408
>>4810419
>>4810424
Switch
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>>4810408
Switch >>4810417 to >>4810424
Yeah, that's better.
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>>4810408
>>4810424
Support.

Also I’m fairly certain when Touch Fluffy Tail is an option. Everyone will vote for it. Pic related.
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I would like to remind those who want to meet Tesla now that he was able to eat Medea's scrying from our home. It's very possible she won't be able to teleport us away if we're close enough, and then we're fucked.

And does our promise not to get into trouble mean so little to you?
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>>4810422
We are very good at training and start at much higher point than he was. We can also use a lot of tricks to speed up progress if we want to do so. Focus on specific aspects more, mystic codes and so on. It would definitely result in major boost.
Reinforcement and years of Bajiquan and Killing Arts make it a lot easier too.
If it is one of those big votes like before war Scáthach`s training should be on it.
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>>4810442
You said scathach trains weapons not mystic codes or bajiquan or killing arts. I wont vote for it.
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>>4810408
>Grab Tamamo by the arm and start running
>>4810446
Previous sentence implies that we can be smart about how we approach martial training with her to get extra effect out of it but suit yourself.
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>>4810454
Can I please ask you to switch to running + contacting Medea in order not to split the vote? Or are you against contacting her at all?
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>>4810458
Tesla is a black void on the map and can detect and eat any magical energy.
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>>4810460
Where's the harm in contacting her? We'll still be running even if she can't teleport us immediately, and she'll be ready for the moment we get out of his range.
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>>4810462
On foot running from the guy who eats magic, can shoot railguns and fly.
Good plan.
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>>4810408
>>4810412
+1
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>>4810464
I’m kinda hoping there’s enough of Monica left she won’t just railgun 360 no scope us as we run, because otherwise we’re kinda fucked.
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>>4810464
So we should just walk right up to the guy who eats magic, can shoot railguns and fly. I'm sure that will go well, and it won't upset our wives at all that we broke our promise again the first chance we got.

>>4810472
I'm sorry, but I don't understand how this is relevant to us contacting Medea as we run.
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>>4810471
We needed excalibur to run away last time, if I remember right.
Honestly, might as well see what he wants, because if he really wants to talk to us, he'll railgun our legs or something anyways.
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>>4810473
You run very fast and try not to ping on his radar and keep low profile until you are far enough and then you call for an evacuation.
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>>4810478
Last time he attacked even before we saw him. We'll dodge or we'll heal if he railguns our legs. There's no reason to rush into danger again. Have we learned nothing from Morrigan?

>>4810481
He already knows we're here, and I don't think mentally contacting Medea will make our situation worse in any way. But anyway, if you're not convinced we should consolidate the vote I won't keep pushing you.
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Calling QM?
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>>4810434
We can pet fox ears too, touching fluffy tails 3 times in a row is a bit repetitive.

>>4810408
>Wait for whoever this is to show themselves, you might be able to have a dialogue.
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Calling in 15
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>>4810485
>He already knows we're here
It is a gamble on if he knows our exact location or not.
If contacting Medea and asking her to teleport us while we inside his field show him our position he will be able to mark us and track with no effort.
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>>4810408
Medea! A teleport for me and Tamamo back home, immediately if you would!'
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>>4810485
>Dodge
>Railgun
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>>4810408
>>4810424
+1
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>>4810495
Well, I disagree, but I won't push you anymore.

>>4810500
It's not an actual railgun anon. We've seen it in use before, it takes time.
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Big Brain vote is CS Teleport anyway because it would have enough to punch through his manaeating field.
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Groceries.
You have more time.
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>>4810509
I wish I'd have thought of that, or you'd have thought of that earlier. I might have gotten burned out on write ins. It is big brain indeed, but it's too late.
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>face Monica
>"I will destroy that illusion of yours!"
>cast Fist of Truth
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>>4810408
Switch >>4810429 to
>Command Seal Medea to teleport you and Tamamo back home immediately.
>Start running if it somehow doesn't work.

>>4810510
Thank fuck
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We're going to fucking die.
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>>4810508
It required more charging the bigger it is and even then, the normal sized one Monica used before the tesla bullshit only took a moment to charge and was so fast it vanished from sight as soon as it was fired.
I have no doubts Tesla could charge and fire a bullet sized piece of metal much much faster.
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>>4810518
Or worse
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>>4810234
I actually originally proposed the clocktower hogwarts meme
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>>4810520
Tesla is anti-magic.
This might be Manaka's attempt to capture us.
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>>4810523
Sure ya did
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>>4810523
Right on time for combat autism, my nigger. Is there a better way to run from Tesla than CSing Medea or just running on foot?

>>4810526
Yes, and that might be worse than a dead end.
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>>4810511
Eh. I only brought it up because I thought time runned out. But I might change as well now.
>>4810408
From >>4810454 to >>4810517
>>4810523
And you can still save whole idea for me.
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Wait.
Is Mordred fast enough to run to us from home?
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>>4810531
Why didn't you bring it up immediately? I would have supported you without a second thought.
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>>4810370
Clint Eastwood returns
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>>4810534
No. She just got her powers, she can run fast but not instantly. And Tesla will probably be able to eat the Sticker's magic if we try to use it.
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>>4810408
>>4810424

Alright then, let's do it. >>4810517

probably overkill but better safe than sorry.

Also what if we do get away, do we barricade ourselves in home? And I guess Medea and co are respecting our privacy since we got no warning about this. We may have to set up some rotating shifts of watching the map.
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>>4810402
I wonder which of her tails are currently present inside her

https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Tamamo_Nine
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>>4810408
>>4810506
Switch to >>4810517
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>>4810542
We'll have to talk to at least Medea about it. Either we set up something (map, Karna, something) to watch over us, or day of relaxation is canceled.
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>>4810539
Sweets better bring him back for Redux or we are killing another cityblock.
>>4810535
Extremely unmotivated. Would not think of another Asha even with Ea aimed at Medea`s head.
>>4810534
>>4810541 is correct on interaction between Tamamophone and field. You are better off asking for Medea to drop Arc somewhere close.
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>>4810434
A fun fact is that in that game that option leads to a bad end.
I still choose it before the right one

Also interesting discussion you guys had about mordred, very autistic.
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So I assume no clothes shopping after this?
Since Manaka isn't fucking around anymore?
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By the way.
Concept for Monica is electromagnetism.
She also will dab on Tesla with it.
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>>4810408
>>4810427
>>4810517
Switch again
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>>4810549
How do we know Tesla wasn't shopping?
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>>4810549
We'll talk to our people first, try to find a way, but outside activities might be canceled, yes.

>>4810550
We'll have to free her from Tesla before we concept her, but yes it sounds good.
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Tamamo just made herself a Mystic Code that lets her leap city blocks

>>4810408
Tell Tamamo to grab you and go full speed towards the house, warn her of potential incoming teleport from Medea to help us escape when we're out of Galvanism's range
>also warn of projectiles, we can shield with Truth
>request a teleport from Medea for you and Tamamo, you're fleeing the magic black hole, request someone on map duty so you don't get ambushed again while trying to have a day off
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>>4810556
He melted the lamps
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>>4810550
HAHAHAH! MANAKA WELCOME TO DIE!
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>>4810560
No command seal teleport then?
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>>4810566
It might not work, if we're within earshot of footsteps we're in Galvanism's range
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>>4810560
I completely forgot about that, but going ballistic is probably not a good idea with someone using railguns. Unless the orders to keep us alive still stand.
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>>4810568
Won't the CS boost be enough to punch through Galvanism?
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>>4810514
based
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>>4810573
If we go by ranks, A rank Magic Resist can tank CS
Galvanism is A, and was recently buffed to Tesla Coil A+ so it should be even stronger
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Maybe Tamamo could simply pick us up into princess carry and run.
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>>4810588
kind what i'm proposing with a few extra failsafes
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>>4810576
A reasonable argument, but I'm very worried about splitting the vote and having walk up to Tesla win. Too many people support a repeat of Morrigan as it is.

Also, map probably won't be enough. It shows Servants but not us. We need someone on the map and Karna watching over us both, I think.

Otherwise, we could cancel outside activities. The dates are done, and that was the important part. All that's left on the schedule that's outside the house is playing in the park with the kids and clothes shopping. We could kick Merlin out and play in our yard instead, and we could do something else in the house with everyone. Clothes shopping will have to wait for after the war.
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>>4810557
His IRL adventures will make him job to natural concept users in a mind fight and Gaia/Alaya will outright force him out of somebody connected to their domain.
You can also poison him with eldritch shit super easy.
>>4810560
Big problem with using magic and mystic codes near him is that he might be able to outright shut it down with his shit. Pro-active anti-magic passive counterspell.
Just look at Shuten before and after Manaka got her.
>>4810576
Truth CS vs power of inceldom.
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>>4810589
Right, got too caught up on the leap part. Third's time the charm.

>>4810408


Switching to >>4810560
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>>4810408
Switch from >>4810417
to >>4810517
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>>4810594
We need to find Monica's core to apply a concept to her, and I can't imagine us doing it while Tesla's still there.
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>>4810594
If he can cancel a Goddess' purely movement based MC he can probably dab on a command spell too.

If we try and run while shielding we're at least not instigating a fight through a failed dialogue roll
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>>4810591
>we could do something else in the house
How about you go and actually ask Touko to turn off simp aura for Medusa`s sisters like she did with Betty`s hate aura and let Medusa and her sisters out of the attic. Three of them have been inside of attic for better part of day.
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>>4810600
Also Tesla actively attacks before dialogue from past encounters, normally I'd talk no jutsu but we're hard counterclassed and even CS summons are an iffy option here, Disengage time.

If I was to add anything I'd add a sticker tap sos call while leaving if the teleport from Medea doesn't work
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How are we even sure that Tesla can negate Tamamo's Witchcraft?
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>>4810601
>you
Me? Just me?

>>4810604
If teleport won't work, there's no way the sticker will. Tesla will eat it.

>>4810605
>1-post id
He eats fucking everything that isn't a direct physical attack, anon.
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>>4810608
If Karna doesn't yeet a barrage of arrows down to help us escape he's jobbing again like he jobbed to Shuten
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>>4810611
Karna allowed Tesla to get within a couple blocks of us without warning us, he's definitely jobbing.
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>>4810608
It says he converts attacks without form, fire or ice made from magic has form
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OK now calling in 10
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>>4810608
Write-in starts with somebody.
>>4810611
Actually I am convinced. I want to see Karna jobbing again.
>>4810408
From >>4810531 to >>4810560
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>>4810619
>By instantly converting attacks without form such as magic light, magic wind, and magic bullets into electricity and charging it, Tesla can recharge his own mana.
Do magic light or bullets have less of a form than fire or ice?
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>>4810619
He ate scrying spell and black void on magical sonar map.
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>>4810623
>Write-in starts with somebody
Why not be that somebody yourself, anon?
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>>4810408
Switch >>4810517 to >>4810560
I think it has enough support now.
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>>4810628
We call it a Shapeless Attic. An isolated place filled with statues of petrified rats.
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>>4810560
>>4810408
Support
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>>4810633
It must feel just like home for Medusa.
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Votes a mess what won?
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Also it likely won't happen, but I do just want to avoid it entirely

Tesla's Pioneer of the Stars means Vrita is a bad conceptual matchup. Pioneer overcomes anything, it's a concept of limitless possibility
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>>4810649

>Wait for whoever this is to show themselves, you might be able to have a dialogue.
>Tell Medea to be on standby in case a fight breaks out
>>4810412
>>4810426
>>4810468

>Wait for whoever this is to show themselves, you might be able to have a dialogue.
>>4810491

>Grab Tamamo and start running
>Medea! A teleport for me and Tamamo back home, immediately if you would!'
>>4810434

>Medea! A teleport for me and Tamamo back home, immediately if you would!'
>>4810498

>Command Seal Medea to teleport you and Tamamo back home immediately.
>Start running if it somehow doesn't work.
>>4810545
>>4810551

>Tell Tamamo to grab you and go full speed towards the house, warn her of potential incoming teleport from Medea to help us escape when we're out of Galvanism's range
>also warn of projectiles, we can shield with Truth
>request a teleport from Medea for you and Tamamo, you're fleeing the magic black hole, request someone on map duty so you don't get ambushed again while trying to have a day off
>>4810560
>>4810595
>>4810623
>>4810631
>>4810640

Vote switches got confusing towards the end, but I think the nigger's write in wins. It would be helpful if people linked to their previous vote when switching.

It came too close to a repeat of Morrigan for comfort. The best decisions always need time. (and often the nigger)
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>>4810650
Alright, let's start planning the fight. Arcueid should be able to hard-counter his electromagnetism. Who else do we bring? I was initially thinking Satsuki to give us the 10 secs we need after Arcueid disarms him, but I'm not sure she should use her Reality Marble now.
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It sure is.
>>4810650
An Obstacle, overcomed, utterly passed.
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>>4810657
Arc and Mo, Arc disables zappy, Mordred grugs her with Time

Two Blondes dominate Serbian Brunette in her first time
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>>4810663
Sounds like a plan. King Mordred needs to test her powers.

We should probably start preparing for Morrigan at some point too.
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>>4810663
You are missing out on Suzuka autism for that fight.
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>>4810667
Suzuka is really squishy, I worry about her
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>>4810667
What could she even offer in the fight against Tesla?
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>>4810671
>Endurance: C+++
>>4810675
>Magic Resistance: A (EX)
>Cancel spells of A-Rank or below, no matter what High-Thaumaturgy it is. In practice, Saber is untouchable to modern magi. Ranks up to EX when Suzuka is targeted by any sort of mental magic, magecraft or ability that would attempt to 'restrict her choices'. For example, a compulsion that could control even Gods would fail on her.
She is immune to him trying to mess with her magic or herself in anyway. And all modern shit he might have build is useless versus Big Brain JK Fox hacks.
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When we go home we should introduce Tamamo to Arc, apparently they'd be good friends according to lore and Tamamo kinda isn't friends with anyone other than us
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>>4810680
Going by Monika being a raildex character she should be able to hack her AIM field too :^)
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>>4810682
Don`t tell people just how strong and useful Suzuka is right now.
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>>4810680
But Suzuka is incarnated right now too, so she's a bit less durable and at risk of even stray shrapnel blasts
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>>4810689
It is irrelevant since she can switch back and we are getting Dragon Core tomorrow.
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>>4810680
What Tesla does isn't a mental magic, and eating her magic isn't restricting her choices.. She just has Magic Resistance A against him,, just like Saber. And I doubt it would help against a hyper-accelerated ball of steel

>>4810682
*groan*
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>>4810688
We should probably tell her how to just calculate herself an Esper ability
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>>4810693
He is kind of fuck you up by playing on conceptual weaknesses and restricting magic with it. He directs it at you personally so all those attacks are conceptual violation based on who you are.
>>4810695
Now imagine if you suggest giving her selected memories about how we use Truth and Concepts and few skills like Instinct, Clairvoyance and Philosopher`s Stone. And just ask her to use Noble Phantasm for a second,
Good thing we are to dumb to figure this one out.
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>>4810703
She's only Solar System level brain under tricholo, would she require a padded room from Truth exposure?

Maybe it'll be easier after Space, Gravity and other major concepts of this world are overlaid with Truth?
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>>4810703
He didn't direct it to Medea personally when he ate her scrying,

And grandpa's pc imploded when it tried to understand Truth. Are you sure you want to do that to Suzuka?
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>>4810709
Speaking of, who gets Void as a concept?
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>>4810709
>>4810713
Finesse and not brute force.
You don`t actually need her to understand Truth for it.
You have Concepts, Results, Theory (as we and Touko understand it) and big library of funny long words. Cross connect it with stats sheet and attirbutes of people we are searching Concept for and she did some heavy super computer lifting in the blink of an eye. ELIXIR fucked up because he was looking to understand disease and not comprehending just symptoms instead.
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>>4810720
Source code versus reverse engineering essentially.
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>>4810714
Shuten
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>>4810728
we're giving Shuten Divinity so she gets a cool sword
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>>4810729
Didn't we already try that?
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>>4810729
Second time the charm.
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>>4810720
It'll be very hard to give Suzuka all the dots and just have her not connect them.

>>4810731
Yes. She ate us and the city. Shirou was in the dojo with us.
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>>4810731
yeah but we're stronger and she actually likes us now
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>>4810720
If any of us were actually fluent in nip like Shinji is IG there would be plenty of big brain ways to apply concepts, with how pronunciations and characters work.e.g.

>Accelerator (一方通行アクセラレータ Ippō Tsūkō (Akuserarēta)?, lit. "One-Way Road")
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>>4810729
That goes to Castor, probably one of the only ways to use it without some horrible end
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>>4810736
Shuten the Oni likes us back then too. Shuten the goddess isn't the same person.
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Unless someone can autism a way to turn her into Ibuki without making her a crazed monster, its not really a good idea.
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>>4810741
>>4810745
we can always figure out how to do what Manaka did to Medusa so Shuten can go from Oni to snek
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>>4810739
>without some horrible end
Actually. Dragon form Alítheia, Illya and Sakura can make short work out of Ibuki and give her everything to our vorechad Illya, making her snake goddess too.
>>4810735
She is smart girl. She got Tenma`s spring training.
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>>4810745
>>4810748
Her main problem first time was starvation because modern day low power mode and World hating her.
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>>4810749
I thought we liked Shuten. Why turn her to Ibuki only to feed her to Illya?

And isn't Ibuki after the cut-off date? Shinji shouldn't know about her.
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>>4810751
also we didn't technically give her Divinity, she just drank a potion of Divinity
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>>4810755
Throwing idea darts at the wall.
>And isn't Ibuki after the cut-off date? Shinji shouldn't know about her.
Yes, we are double meta speaking about this idea.
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>>4810755
I really like Shuten, I just want her to get a power up similar to Medusa's Three Faces, also cool sword and another big tiddy snek gf
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>>4810756
To an oni who would become semen demon succ after drinking Merlin without borrowing his form of immortality which is a key point to his existence, yes.
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>>4810762
I like Shuten as she is, I don't want to turn her into something else.
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>>4810761
This is why we should try for Mystic Eyes so we can bullshit past the cut off point and comment on the new meta knowledge
>Wait what the fuck TsukiR is gonna release now?
>Wait why the fuck is it only Arc and Ciel route that's horseshit
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>>4810767
Medusa didn't become a different person when she got Three Faces
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>>4810771
Anon said "another big tiddy snek gf", I thought that implied changing her.
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>>4810768
Good luck convincing people to vote to search for Amethyst after three updates of "maybe I should search for it" in Shinji inner thoughts, few WhatIs meta posts about her and zero reaction from players.
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>>4810781
we're vooting to do so back at the house, Rin with the Second + Medea's help. They can do it in the background so it's not work
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>>4810781
That's probably just WhatIs reflecting that we do actually keep Amethyst in our minds and keep wondering where she (already mentioned twice with female pronoun) is
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>>4810781
Searching for Amethyst sounds like work.
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>>4810781
I'll vote for it next update
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>>4810790
>she (already mentioned twice with female pronoun)
Here is a fun one for you.
Give her Concept of Girl and she will be Magical Girl Amethyst (a person), another Second Magic User with an access to all other Amethysts out there.
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>search for Amethyst
Who?
No one with that name appeared in the quest, are you ok anon?
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>>4810845
where is purple sapphire?

Where is Sapphire even? does Luvia have her?

we could make our own Miyu
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>>4810891
this is nice
we should, even if once
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>>4810891
Puffy cute and funny
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>>4810891
One day we need to tell Chiyome the following after a solid heart-to-heart talk:
"You can consider what I'm about to say as an order: bear my children, please."
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>no update
[adjective] [noun]
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>>4810916
I'm really very tired right now, so today is going to be a two update only day.
I'm really suffering for missing out on sleep here.
I can barely concentrate
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>>4810922
Have we had 2?
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>>4810922
We're always telling you to go get some sleep, so just go. We need you to not collapse from overwork too.
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>>4810922
Its fine, go sleep.
I know how it is to try to do thinks after being awake for more than 24 hours.
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I just got here. I guess you didn't want to potentially melee Tesla without Arc to shut her stuff off?
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"Tamamo, you said you've got the speed and agility of a bunny now, right...?" You ask the woman who is standing protectively in front of you, clearly prepared for a fight, though if this truly is who you think it is, this isn't the sort of fight that she can win. While her witchcraft shouldn't specifically class as magecraft or magic that can be resisted in the typical sense by Magic Resistance, Tesla doesn't exactly rely on typical Magic Resistance. Considering that they managed to somehow cancel out and absorb the magical energy from an attempted scry.

"I do. You aren't suggesting...?" Tamamo doesn't sound entirely convinced by the strategy that you've formulated, but you're certain that it's your best chance of being able to win this... Or, well, not win, but at least escape from this without anybody sustaining any sort of injury. You shouldn't be getting involved in fights at all today, you promised Medea and Sakura, and you aren't about to break your promise to them so soon after making it to them. Not this time.

"We can't win this. Grab me and start running and jumping towards the house as quickly as you can, and be prepared for a potential teleport to help us escape when we're out of the range." You command Tamamo to be ready to run. You can't afford for this to become a battle against Tesla, you don't even know if teleportation is possible in the proximity of somebody who naturally absorbs the magic from any and all magecraft that is used near them. "When we've got some distance, I'll try to contact Medea for a teleport, OK?" You inform Tamamo that you'll be relying on the magic of the woman who is about the only person who can get you out of this mess, you slip the anti-teleportation bracelet off in preparation for this.

"Let's go then, Husband!" Tamamo suddenly turns before scooping you into a princess carry and leaping high into the sky. Easily crossing the distance from the ground to a relatively distant building in the span of about five seconds. A kilometer being crossed in less than a twelfth of a minute. But even this level of speed isn't quite enough, it seems, as Tamamo leaps in time to avoid a metal projectile crashing into the roof of the building she was standing on and completely obliterating the top floor of the house. Good lord! They aren't joking about with the level of strength they're putting into their attacks! Are they actually trying to kill you here?!

"Watch out for more projectiles like that, Tamamo! I'll make a shield for us!" You struggle a little to bring your hand out to start forming a half bubble around you and Tamamo, While you could make a full bubble, you feel like you might end up running into problems with something like a full bubble, it could completely ruin Tamamo's escape attempt, after all.
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"There's no point! Evasion is our only hope! Look!" The projectile that crushed the house has actually changed course and is now heading towards you and Tamamo again. "The integrity of the projectile doesn't matter, and neither does the velocity! The one manipulating it can control both!" Tamamo seems to be aware of the capabilities of the one using this projectile against you, and you realize something else. If you were to block the projectile with your shield and it could match your velocity, could... Tesla maybe use their abilities to make all the metal in the city magnetize to it? No, Tamamo is right, if she's confident in her ability to evade the attacks, you don't need to worry about a shield, especially when it could actually backfire.

You must be at least a few kilometers away from Tesla by now, and while you don't what their range is on this magnetic missile is, you imagine that you must at least be out of the way of their ability to absorb magical energy from magecraft used around them, so... 'Medea! Bit of a problem here! I need a teleport for me and Tamamo ASAP!'

'Understood!' Medea responds through the link in record time, and Tamamo hits the floor again before leaping high into the sky again. You wanted her to head back towards your house, but it's pretty clear that she's more focused on just trying to avoid the deadly projectile. It's much too fast for her to even try to use her magecraft against it, and it's got enough energy within it to completely pulverize the bodies of the two of you should it actually strike true.

Just as Tamamo reaches the peak of her jump into the air, you suddenly come to a terrible realization. There's not just one of those metal spear like projectiles heading towards you and Tamamo anymore. No, there are easily twenty steel javelins heading directly for the two of you. Time seems to slow down as the weapons speed towards the two of you. You feel Tamamo's hold on your body tighten. You start the process of actually making the shield like you originally intended, but...

The world around you fades out and is replaced by another room entirely. You're standing in front of Medea in one of your spare rooms. Well, you would be standing, if you weren't in Tamamo's arms right now, like a damsel that needed saving. You let out a deep breath as you realize that Medea managed to get the two of you out of your predicament.

Tamamo lets you to the floor, and Medea looks visibly worried for you. "Are you OK, Master? I didn't expect that the enemy would actually go out of their way to seek you out and attack you in the daytime!" She sounds angry, not at you, but at herself for not thinking of something that was in hindsight kind of obvious. After all, Manaka has shown to have absolutely zero regard for the concealment of magic and mystery from the rest of the world. It's honestly a miracle that the street Tesla attacked you in was as empty as it was.
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>>4810960
Pretty good? Tamamo's melee is also really good, give she can fight Violet in Foxtail and in Extella does a lot of melee. She just doesnt like to show off that it doesnt fit her image iirc.
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"I'm fine, Medea." You respond calmly. No use in letting her worry about you, you didn't actually get hurt, after all. The only thing that took any damage was your pride at having to be princess carried to safety by a girl wearing a bunnysuit. Speaking of the bunnysuit, Medea does seem to be especially curious as to Tamamo's new choice of outfit. You also come to the realization that you're going to need to get your cars picked up and returned for you instead of going out to pick them up yourself. "I'm safe now, at least. But before anything else..."

>"Can you have somebody to remain on map duty at all time?"
>"We're going to need to have the Archers provide over watch in the future whenever somebody goes out."
>"Can you set it up so that I get an automatic update from the map whenever it detects a large magical energy signature within a kilometer of me?"
>"I want you to scry on me whenever I'm out of the house from now on. So that you can respond properly to threats and warn me."
>Write-in...
Oh god I feel like I'm about to pass out.
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>>4810964
Kiss bunny fox and "Can you set it up so that I get an automatic update from the map whenever it detects a large magical energy signature within a kilometer of me?"
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>>4810965
Chose this instead of scry bc we don't want medea constantly masturbating when we're with other people and she sees what a stud we are
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>>4810965
might wanna include or lack thereof to account for blackhole serb
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>>4810970
I'll let you deal with that autism. I don't know any details of fate
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I deleted my message after I saw it broke the update, I was asking >>4810958 how he imagined the fight would go.

>>4810963
Both us and Tamamo can't use anything magical while we're near Tesla. But Tesla can still railgun us with no problems, or entomb us in metal or whatever. We'd get SLAUGHTERED anon. We wouldn't even come anywhere near him to melee him. Dead End was the best possible outcome if we stood fought him.

And we promised, for the second time. Does that promise mean so little to you?
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>>4810963
Not saying running was wrong. Why fight when you can team gank someone?
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>>4810970
Map couldn't detect Morrigan. It can't detected presence concealment. We can't rely on it to keep us safe. Map + Archers overwatch is the only safe option I can see, unless you think of something better.
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>>4810972
We promised not to do magic or do anything ourself. Not like we could personally do shit to him?
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>>4810975
Then we don't disagree at all. Tesla will be trivial when we come back with Arcueid and Mordred.
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>>4810978
I've lost you. Didn't you ask why we ran? Standing and fighting definitely breaks that promise, even if it's ineffective. Especially if it's ineffective.
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>>4810972
just engage where there is no metal lmao unless you want half the street being used like GoB electric bugaloo.

Every building has steel framing, although outside Japan would be worse, there i a lot of bamboo used in construction there.

Maybe go to the older parts of town if forests aren't an option? RM may get eaten
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So now that we have time, what's the plan? Going outside again for today is right out.
Do we need someone to keep watch at all times?
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>>4810985
Karna can tail us without getting jealous + map observer.

Don't cuck on outings, just play the cards available
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>kiss them both
>"Can you set it up so that I get an automatic update from the map whenever it detects a large magical energy signature within a kilometer of me?"
>"Can you try to find Amethyst for me?"
Thoughts?
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>>4810982
I didn't think it would break the promise in my interpretation, but I was also saying it wasnt wrong to run.

>>4810983
Have Sacchin RM Tesla so no metal?

Also, just have Chiyome shadow us 24/7+Karna overwatch if we go out.
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>>4810989
Add archers and I'll support
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>>4810990
ye we need actual babysitters.

All the coom is out of the way in regards to outings anyway right? it's just something with the kids
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>>4810988
We'd have to ask Ciel then, Karna isn't our servant, though its a good excuse to go talk to her about a lot of stuff
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>>4810983
Ehh RM getting eaten is iffy, but you're right.
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Also can we get a female pov of love meter for those that we know are guaranteed?
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>>4810993
Yeah and fox mentioned Karna got called away by Ciel for something, so it'd be worth a quick checkup before they go do some retarded NPC ai shit
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>>4810983
Good luck finding a place without metal in a city. And we were talking about us running from him right now, not picking the battlefield for later.

>>4810985
Map + archer overwatch might be enough. Or we could cancel for real

>>4810989
We should leave someone on map duty, it'll be better than setting up automatic updates. Tesla is a magical void, not an energy signature, and Morrigan doesn't appear at all.

>>4810990
How is standing and fighting not breaking that promise? Fucking how?

Satsuki's RM is magical, Tesla might be able to eat it.

>>4810992
Yeah, the dates are over, the shinjibowl has been resolved. All that's left on the shedule for outings is playing at the park with the kids and clothes shopping for everyone. We could play at the yard instead, and do something else with everyone inside the mansion. Clothes shopping can wait.
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>>4810991
just Karna or Karna and EMIYA?

>>4810995
Who do you think is a guarantee?
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>>4810997
who should be on map duty? Merlin?
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>>4811000
Chiyome. Absolutely loyal, will never slack off or miss anything, can mentally contact us without relying on the sticker.
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>>4811002
Agreed
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We don't have to deal with Monika ourselves, all of her actions suggest she is allowed to kill us in her contract.

Why not have Arc/Mordred and maybe.. Karna go engage her today, try to bait her out of the city limits and flatten her, and have her bought to us restrained with Chekov's meteor cuckchoker. The Shinji can fix her up.

Maybe throw one or two more in who are suitable. SHIKI as a meat tank and maybe even Ciel? No risk to them, you want to stomp to ensure no losses and Monika is captured alive.

Mordred can practice leading a capture mission too.
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>>4811004
And it gets some people working together without us involved, so maybe they stop being autistic.

Reasoning for why, well Shinji just got attacked while trying to relax, so rather than cuck out on plans just send a sixth of our available resources to secure her or at least keep her occupied so we can do what we wanted.
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>>4810997
I will never stop planning for every future potential battlefield

You wanted prep right?
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>>4810989
>>kiss them both
>>"Can you have Chiyome remain on map duty at all time?"
>>"Can you try to find Amethyst for me?"
>>"We're going to need to have the Archers provide over watch in the future whenever somebody goes out."
>>Talk to Rin and Ciel about using their Archers
Thoughts? Unless you want me to be less specific about map duty like the prompt is
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>>4811012
Support
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>>4811004
I don't see what Karna adds when Tesla eats his energy, I don't see SHIKI would contribute to the fight, Ciel's magic would get eaten even if Arcueid shuts down his EM and I really, really want to avoid fighting Tesla during the day, the city will get flattened and Waver's job in covering up for us will get much tougher. Why not wait for the night? We could also send Saber and Shirou along with Arc and Mordred, without his EM they'll be easily be able to subdue him.

>>4811010
Yes, you're doing good. It just wasn't clear.
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>>4811012
I'd support this but I also kinda want to hit the Monica iron while it's hot and we know where she is. We can also wager she's alone as if there was any help from Morrigan there we'd be fucked.

Quick conference with mo/arc/ciel/karna/EMIYA about taking her in with the cuckchoker.

We should also slip the anti teleport bracelet back on just for funsies, as I'll never forget that again

>>4811020
SHIKI can start tailing him

SHIKI and Ciel can't die, Karna can facetank the metal, he's just there for long range scouting and kiting from afar with pewpew, and he can bap away projectiles and also tank them with KnK
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>>4811020
You have two infinitely regenerating immortals, one with PC A+ from the shroud, all that needs to happen is a brief distract for the cuckchoker to be put on her and it's done. SHIKI also doesn't need magic, it's just bio-manipulation iirc
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>>4811023
Send Saber, Shirou, Mordred and Morgan after her, maybe throw in Arc just in case
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>>4811025
Arc has to go, she might be able to shut down electromagnetism with MP as it's a force of nature
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>>4811024
He has this thing, as to what it is, it seems to be a demon hybrid thing like Akiha's Origami/Plundering.

"One of his abilities as a demon hybrid is a "death-resistant body". Just as it sounds, it means he has a body that will not die. However, this is not the ability to heal wounds, but the ability to reconfigure his body in order to survive despite his wounds. It is this ability to freely manipulate his flesh that allows him to use his own spilled blood as a sword by coagulating it."
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I'd also give whoever goes, if they go a qrd on Tesla's base kit before Manaka.

System Keranous is an AoE Burst or a raygun deathbeam of anti-mystery

https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Attributes#Sky

https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Attributes#Earth

If you're on this list, don't go unless you have a way to filter damage conceptually (Karna), can't die or have precog and SPEEEED to avoid it
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>>kiss them both
>>Send Saber, Shirou, Mordred, Morgan and Arc after Monica to take her down non lethally
>>"Can you have Chiyome remain on map duty at all time?"
>>"Can you try to find Amethyst for me?"
>>"We're going to need to have the Archers provide over watch in the future whenever somebody goes out."
>>Talk to Rin and Ciel about using their Archers
Ok what about now?
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>>4811023
We always know where Monica is, that void in the map is extremely visible. Why do you want to flatten the city? And what makes you think that Morrigan won't show up in the middle of the fight, she left through a gate.

We don't need SHIKI to tail him. They can't die yes, but I don't see them doing all that well.

>>4811024
I think Tesla will be able to eat that too.

>>4811035
Please, let's not send anyone. Why do we have to do this? It's a really, really bad idea, the nigger is getting carried away. We don't need a victory right now.
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>>4811038
Ok vote for my previous one unless you have a problem with it
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>>4811039
I have zero problems with it, but we have all night and something better might come along later. There's no need to hurry and have to switch later.
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>>4811038
cuckchoker ate TRUTH

it is the most broken thing in this quest.

cagesimps I kneel

Nobu/Nero/EMIYA all have good trait affinity against Tesla. They're all Man, they take no extra damage from System Keranous and have conceptual advantage against Tesla's Star attribute, as he's just an embodiment of mankind moving forward.

Also Nobu might be a really good overwatch tail honestly, she can actually observe Japan in the modern day and see how the people are.

>>4811038
They can go out tonight after dinner, we can use dinner as a round table time to plan stuff with everyone after the kids go to bed.
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>>4811040
I feel like everyone is just gonna forget my vote and just pick a shitty one though
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>>4811043
Completely forgot about Nobu. She's strong now in general, not just anti-Mystery.
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Solomon is going to be main helpers only, intredasting
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>>4811050
Odin/CasCu didn't feel like coming along
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>>4811046
I just realized you haven't linked your vote to the prompt. And I swear I'll pester people to support it if nothing better in the same lines comes along.

>>4811043
>They can go out tonight after dinner, we can use dinner as a round table time to plan stuff with everyone after the kids go to bed.
Yes, that's a great idea. It has my full support. Let's do that. Nobu for overwatch too.

Still, I'm beginning to think we should cancel the outings anyway. I don't feel safe taking the kids to the park, even with overwatch, when we can play in the yard instead. And clothes shopping with everyone isn't irreplaceable either. Any ideas on what we can do instead? Or do you guys want to keep at it?

>>4811050
What?
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>>4811054
They're making a movie of a camera man punching out an autistic kike magic ai
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>>4811054
don't simp, just actually bring people now that all the private things are ogre. Some actual prep we'll be fine. We had absolutely no tools to work with against Monika just then, even getting away was difficult
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>>4811050
Well, we wouldn't want character bloat now would we?
:D
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>>4811056
Ah, is that the sequel to Babylonia? I'll finally be able to see what happens. Hopefully it'll be better than Camelot.

>>4811058
I still don't want to fight in the middle of the day. Those two outings aren't worth risking Clocktower for.
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>>4811060
No danganronpa man yet again
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>>4811062
then we should have a short nap, knock on the manaka door in the interlude and tell her to fuck off for 12 hours
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>>4811065
We kicked the hornet's nest when we poked Morrigan. The gloves are off. I doubt she'll listen. Where's the harm in canceling the outings? We haven't told anyone our plans, it's only a very minor loss of pride.
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>>4811067
Why not go to the boat then as the kids outing, see if Manaka wants to send a pawn to fuck with the full crew of the Argo and risk losing the few she has left?

+ Overwatch should offer enough of a filter. Maybe get Olga to ask Merlin to come along for some Illusions to settle the normies
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>>4811072
Actually, that's not a bad idea at all. Argo visit with the kids would work. They're already outside our walls. We should see if the Argo can be moved to safety too.

We'll watch a movie with the kids after we get back.

Now, how about shopping? Do we need that?
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>>4811079
if its on the way, we can also just invent online shopping and have a wagie rock up with a store of product for people to try on at the house
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>>4811081
We have a phone and we're paying wagies. It doesn't have to be on the way, we can have them bring a store of clothes to our home. But you're right.

This is the current remaining schedule:

>Take the kids out to play in a park.
>Take the kids to watch a movie.
>Go shopping for clothes for everyone.
>Ask Paracelsus if he'd be willing to teach Rin. Also ask him if he'd be willing to teach you how to teach after the War
>Go watch a movie with everyone. Monty Python
>Hang out with Shirou, Shiki and SHIKI.

I propose changing it to:

>Take the kids out to visit the Argo.
>Take the kids to watch a movie.
>Contact your employes, have them bring a store worth of clothes for people to try on the house
>Ask Paracelsus if he'd be willing to teach Rin. Also ask him if he'd be willing to teach you how to teach after the War
>Go watch a movie with everyone. Monty Python
>Hang out with Shirou, Shiki and SHIKI.

What do you think?
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>>4811092
add have Chiyome tail us, have nobu or emiya or karna as overwatch, they can choose.

also mention wanting a big feast together with everyone tonight, those who want to contribute can do so. after dinner we'll want to plan for the days of unrest ahead too so everyone in attendance, send invites to monke and mastah as well, and even Merlin. kinda want everyone available to sit at the table for this.

we'll probably send off the first one tonight, and give everyone the qrd on the new enemies we encountered today
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>>4811092
Wasnt Waver better for teaching us to teach? As we dont teach what we know per se.
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>>4811096
and ofc invite the argo's crew to dinner too. say for whoever is prepping it to consider them too.

call waver and co to come over as well, may as well have everyone under one roof. we have a big enough place for it
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>>4811092
>>Ask Paracelsus if he'd be willing to teach Rin. Also ask him if he'd be willing to teach you how to teach after the War
we don't need to do this we already told her about him, unless you want to go directly to him and hype Rin up which i would agree to
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>>4811100
She's naturally wielding the Second, I think he'll be sufficiently impressed as is. Dinner one liner anyway
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>>4811096
Weren't we going to put Chiyome on map duty? I don't disagree otherwise. And damn WhatIs for passing out, I'd be asking him if it's close to lunch time.

>>4811097
We'll meet Waver tomorrow, we'll ask him then. Para and him are the best teachers we know, why not learn from both?

>>4811100
That is exactly what I want to do, yes. We talked to Rin, but we didn't talk to Para. It won't take much time at all.
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>>4811106
>Para and him are the best teachers we know, why not learn from both?
Time constraints and redundancy. I'd rather learn magic shit and combat.
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>>4811106
Maybe Suzuka would be better for the map? See if she can Tricholo it to be a bit better or tap into it and get a better read on some stuff? We still have the mental connection, right?
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>>4811099
Shit, missed that. Yeah, I said we should look into moving the Argo too, the crew goes without saying. And after that attack, Sakura won't begrudge us bringing Waver to safety, you're right.

New schedule:

>Mention that you'd like a big feast together with everyone tonight, those who want to contribute can do so. after dinner we'll want to plan for the days of unrest ahead too so everyone in attendance, send invites to monke and mastah as well, and even Merlin. kinda want everyone available to sit at the table for this. Invite Waver too, it's not safe outside anymore.
>Take the kids out to visit the Argo. Have the kids play with the cat and dab on Castor, see if the Argo can be moved, invite the Argonauts for dinner.
>Take the kids to watch a movie.
>Contact your employees, have them bring a store worth of clothes for people to try on the house
>Dinner time
>Ask Paracelsus if he'd be willing to teach Rin. Also ask him and Waver if they'd be willing to teach you how to teach after the War
>Go watch a movie with everyone. Monty Python
>Hang out with Shirou, Shiki and SHIKI.

How's this, along with that anon's safety propsal?

>>4811110
We've already promised to teach people. You're not saying we should break that promise, are you?

>>4811111
I don't really trust Suzuka to stay focused. What would bringing Chiyome with us help with, exactly?
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>>4811114
>Don't want to learn two different teaching styles redundantly
>But muh promises, you dont wanna break it, right??

?????
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>>4811121
Are you retarded or just pretending? Teaching styles aren't martial arts, you can easily combine the best aspects from both's approach.
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Saw people don't think we have the time to train. Especially with Scatach which to me is easily solvable.

Not sure if we can make use of the land of Shadows since it's outside of time but even if we can't there is another option. Have the casters build a time chamber like Zouken's. Make it a 365:1 ratio just to mimic DBZ. Have it be a training room and a magecraft study for the team. So we'd only have to dedicate one of ten actions a day to training.

Maybe expand it later to create an orginization that protects humanity.
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>>4811125
If you want to waste time learning both, then yeah I don't want to do it.
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>>4811125
To be clear. I have zero interest in teaching, and I think its a waste of time, but since it was promised for some reason, Waver style is enough.
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>>4811125
Teaching styles carry based on who teaches and who's being reached. Shinji can figure that out without learning it from someone else. Plus learning that would take time that simply teaching it and figuring out Shinji's own style would be better.
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>>4811135

We already promised to teach Satsuki and Miyako. So too late to back out of it for ateast Satsuki. Miyako could be taught if we ever get Li but Satsuki is just to spend time with her.
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>>4811114
Alcides could literally just pick up the boat and walk it over. In fact most servants could considering str scaling. Wonder if it flies?

I guess keeping Chiyome busy tactically is healthier, Suzuka can pick out some clothes.

Which safety protocol? Overwatch? It would do Nobu good to come with us to experience some more modern day Japan
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>>4811135
>since it was promised for some reason
You've made it clear that you want us to focus on cultivating instead of helping other people get better. I guess we're diametrically opposed in this.

>>4811136
Teaching is a skill like anything else. We looked for teachers when we learned, say, bajiquan, and we had more than one teacher. I see no reason to fumble with that on our own.
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>>4811137
Then we shouldn't rely on an acquired teaching style at all, seeing as its a personal thing.
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>>4811137
We also promised to train Abby, all our kids, present and future, would benefit from our tutelage, and even Sakura could become a very powerful magus with some proper training. It would still be a good idea to learn how to do it even if we hadn't promised.

>>4811138
Talking about this: >>4811012

>>4811140
Do you have any idea how teaching works anon? Learning from someone else and adapting is much better than fumbling on your own and reinventing the wheel. Nigger, tell him, I know you know.
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>>4811143
So your going to learn how to teach while teaching at the same time? That doesn't make much sense. Plus Shinji already has a lot of experience teaching from Shirou. It's never made a difference mechanically, so why should it now?

We promised to teach a these people, date a majority of people, and advance out magecraft yet you don't want to take a gap year?

Besides we should hire tutors to bring the girls up to at least the equivalent of a highschool diploma. Same with Mordred and a few other spirits that need to play catch up.
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>>4811145
You prefer us to start teaching without even knowing how? We helped Shirou, but most of what we did for him was pointers over the phone since we were hiding our friendship from the Einzbern. It's not really applicable, and it doesn't make us a good teacher. How do you know it didn't make a difference mechanically when we've only somewhat taught the one guy?

Gap year is too much, a few months are inevitable, and it also really depends on what we use that time for.

We can hire tutors yes, but they can't help them learn how to use their powers. The Spirits get a download about the modern world when summoned, they shouldn't really need a tutor either..
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>>4811143
It takes sometimes decades to develop a technique, it can take minutes to teach it. There's a lot of wasted time in trying to just grug through the development of something rather than translating a skill over to someone else and speed running them through all the time sink hurdles.

But I wouldn't focus much on teaching unless it's a timeskip style activity for a purpose. Silver Key practice with Abby has a lot of potential for Dreamlands and other fun things though. We could go meet Carter and my namesake gets a cameo

Also Truth can likely only be taught to biological children and maybe Chiyome as our miko I'd wager

That anon's suggestions are solid, yeah throw them in the mix.
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>>4810964
>kiss them both
>"Can you have Chiyome remain on map duty at all time?"
>"Can you try to find Amethyst for me?"
>"We're going to need to have the Archers provide over watch in the future whenever somebody goes out."
>Talk to Rin and Ciel about using their Archers
>Rearrange the schedule in light of the increased danger to:
>Mention that you'd like a big feast together with everyone tonight, those who want to contribute can do so. after dinner we'll want to plan for the days of unrest ahead too so everyone in attendance, send invites to monke and mastah as well, and even Merlin. kinda want everyone available to sit at the table for this. Invite Waver too, it's not safe outside anymore.
>Take the kids out to visit the Argo. Have the kids play with the cat and dab on Castor, see if the Argo can be moved, invite the Argonauts for dinner.
>Take the kids to watch a movie.
>Contact your employees, have them bring a store worth of clothes for people to try on the house
>Dinner time
>Ask Paracelsus if he'd be willing to teach Rin. Also ask him and Waver if they'd be willing to teach you how to teach after the War
>Go watch a movie with everyone. Monty Python
>Hang out with Shirou, Shiki and SHIKI.
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>>4811154
I still vouch for Dongfu + Vrita as tutors for Alítheia, Dongfu for generalist stuff and Vrita for yuge form techniques which the dong can refine too.

He has an innate empathy with even high end Chinese deified dragons, he'd probably help them both somewhat.

We can just go teleport over to chyna and acquire a catalyst or have the yakuza track something down. He's pretty niche as you'd first need a dragon to get any good out of him.
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>>4811165
>But I wouldn't focus much on teaching unless it's a timeskip style activity for a purpose
Thanks for chiming in. And yes, of course it'll be a timeskip activity. This'll just be a short conversation to unlock the option.

We already have Alitheia to teach Truth to, and we don't have to share magic to teach someone. Touko taught us Truth even though she can't wield it, and I'm not sure how good she is with counterspelling and healing.

>>4811175
I'm not against them, but we should have a hand in her education too.
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>>4811178
We'd work with her on Truth, those two teach her how2dragon
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>>4811154
The spirits don't get everything about an era. Also we literally have casters better then us to teach the kids. Shinji is highly specialized, it would be like Rin's dad teaching Sakura.

Secondly even before we did it over the phone we taught Shirou. Even if what you said is true Rin taught Sakura, Tokou taught Shinji etc. There isn't any difference unless there was a mechanical change when I wasn't looking.

Build the HTC and we'd be able to teach and learn more effectively. Especially with more time. Dragon kid learned English in hrs I'm not going to be surprised if she learns everything in a few days.
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>>4811180
We are agreed then, yes. We can't really help with dragonhood all that much. Karna will have to take a look a Dongfu first, of course.

Aren't you voting?
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>>4811180
I feel like we ourself need a lot more to know on Truth magic if we are to teach it. Lots and lots of potential uses we cant do.
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Do we get our dragons learning speed or instinct if we do the dragon ritual?
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Item Construction is my next direction of learning choice. We have some incredibly busted casters around with ranks well above A.

Shouldn't take long and we can mmo farm INS for ingredients. Then use more weird shit that we find at hogwarts, and blend it with what we already know about crests and mystic codes, using to Truth blend things together.

Make some kind of construct with the concept of Polymerisation so we have an on demand item combiner or something
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>>4811186
Which Caster is better than us to teach the kids? Para is the only one with actual teaching experience, he'll be tutoring the Rins, and we'll want him to take over our Hogwarts later on. His time will be limited. Specialization doesn't matter all that much, Touko was able to teach us Truth without a problem. And we've already agreed to train Satsuki and Abby without regard to their specialization. Why start caring now.

How do you know there's not any difference? Why do you assume that? A good teacher can teach better than a bad teacher, it seems extremely obvious to me. We sought out masters when learning bajiquan, when self-taught plebs.

HTC is a discussion for another time. Alitheia learned how to speak very quickly, but her development has to slow down.

>>4811189
We are the best practitioner of Truth on the planet right now, and we'll keep improving. There will never be anyone more qualified than us.

>>4811195
Yep, I've been telling people that all day today.
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>>4811195
That could be good, but I think we should wait until dragon stuff to see if it changes our priorities. Don't expect it it, but maybe?
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>>4811195
We'd likely have more then one study topic. So item creation, Scatach training and Li if we get him.
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>>4811200
>when self-taught plebs
NOT self-taught plebs. I should be going to bed now.
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>>4811200
If we're looking at Touko then Shinji was her first wasn't he? So Madea and any other caster should be able to. Merlin is sitting right there.
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>>4811207
Bajiquan and Scath both use spears, so thats also something, maybe?
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Too bad Musashi ain't around to teach. Would see if Taiga knows about the supernatural and have her teach.

Also was it ever revealed where third Saber is at? Did he just leave?
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>>4811213
Thinking Runes but good point. We'd likely finish snake style just to complete it. Have no idea why people even started that.
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>>4811217
if we're learning item creation, why not use a weapon?
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>>4811207
We don't need Li, Miyako will reach his level post-TATARI. The student will become the master.

>>4811213
Bajiquan does? I'm pretty sure we've never held a spear in our hand.

>>4811217
Direct quote: "Because it's cool". It's one of the reasons I keep opposing us learning yet more combat styles we'll never actually use. Pick one and stick to it.
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>>4811212
Missed that. Touko trained Kokutou's sister in Kara no Kyoukai. I don't remember if she had other apprentices, but we weren't the first she taught.
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>>4811224
Li uses a spear so the art does. I want ground shrinker and the dragon thing from him.
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>>4811225
Point is she doesn't have much experience. Plus it didn't change anything when you compare it to Shinji learning how to drive or fight.

A teacher seems to only give caps on the knowledge gain. Their experience doesn't mean much.
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>>4811224
"He [Li Shuwen] is of course famous as a master of baji quan, but the exquisiteness of his spear-wielding is to the point of being extolled as "Divine Spear".
"While summoned as a Lancer, he has mastered the baji quan - including spearmanship."

And wikipedia

"The forms of baji are divided into armed and unarmed routines. There are twenty fist forms, which include twelve Baji Small Structure Fists, Baji Black Tiger Fist, Baji Dan Zhai, Baji Dan Da/Dui Da, Baji Luohan Gong, and Baji Si Lang Kuan. There are eight weapons forms, including Liu He Da Qiang (spear), Chun Yang Jian (sword), San Yin Dao (sabre), Xing Zhe Bang (staff), Pudao, and Chun Qiu Da Dao (a long two-handed heavy blade, used by Generals sitting on their horses)."

It is the Eight Extemities Fist, so eight...
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>>4811230
Ground shrinker is prob based on stepping techs based on shukuchi. Tengu woman or Wukong is our best bet for that.
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>>4811244
Kalaripayattu also has Spear forms, so maybe ask Karna to help us with that.
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>>4811244
The name being Eight Extremities Fist is misleading, as a lot of martial arts schools.
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We first met Alan in the Clock Tower, yeah?

Maybe YHVH feelin bored sends down """""""Josh"""""" for when Hogwarts starts to keep tabs on us
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>>4810964
>>4811173
Support
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>>4811012
>>4810964
not interested in rewriting the schedule so supporting this
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>>4811244
Why didnt we use a truth spear all this time?
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>>4811320
People forgot Bajiquan actually uses spears I guess? Bajiquan also has sword forms technically, but Li Shuwen was also a spear autist. He assassins more in Extra because his master wishes an assassin playstyle of ambushing people.
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>>4811320
It's illegal to own a spear in Japan.
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>>4811333
I think he meant more "why weren't we making Truth spears with magic" like when we made the Sword of Truth.
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>>4811334
Honestly I don't get why learning weapon based martial arts is controversial.
It's not like we can make truth fists of ultimate punching, so why wouldn't we want to be proficient with the greatest weapons in existence?
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>>4811344
I don't know either. Also, we've already learned weapon based martial arts if we're really said to have mastered conventional Bajiquan, with verging into the real good shit.

Learning just punching isn't bajiquan in its entirety, or even most of it.
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>>4811334
Yeah, that
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>>4810922
Consider taking a day or two off from actively running the quest to get your sleeping schedule in order since effect of sleep deprivation is cumulative.
All writing impulses can be rewired into more isolated and easier to do Interludes which would not harm your sleeping schedule as much.
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>>4810964
>kiss them both
>ask if the map can be updated with an automatic proximity alert

Rest up, OP
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>>4811432
Oh and also
>ask her if she has an idea how to find the missing Amethyst
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>>4811295
Will ya boy gabby show up after Shinji finally cooms in a woman?
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>>4811436
who?
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>>4811442
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>>4811445
That's who I thought you meant but I was holding out hope that you meant somone that had anything to do with that situation.
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>>4811333
So is laundering money through yakuza. Hardly stopping us and Raiga.
>>4811436
No, you will get Salome and you will love it.
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Also, Gabriel is the angelic counterpart to the 5th slot of the Qliphort, which holds the Beast slot for Vitchi and the base description of..

>This Qliphoth represents the misguided and imbalanced love which exhausts and ultimately suffocates its object with its borderless benevolence and tenderness.

Represented by
>Gha Agsheblah or "the Devourers"

Vorechads and fluffy tail enthusiasts, if God disapproves he has a messenger to warn us of the voresnuffing before it happens.

Maybe he doesn't care though

I hope Eresh gets a less gloomy dress when wagies bring a whole shopfront to the house
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>>4811448
A living woman moment, pls no
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>>4811453
>if God disapproves
That will put him in the bad spot.
>>4811455
Sorry, you should have went for one of his nuns first.
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>>4811458
I didn't know Akaza was into bdsm
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>>4811445
Why Gabriel anyway? Due to him foretelling other significant births?
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>>4811467
and being the primary messenger
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>>4811469
I wonder if we're going with the Kabbalistic angel interpretation, where angels aren't quite individuals, but the way humans interpret God's interference or presence.
Otherwise it would erase them, ala Moses' thing iirc.
Would fit more with the Angels talk in Case Files, but Jacob's Limbs says Archangels are a thing.

Maybe big named ones are individuals and others are vessels?
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>>4811453
God is just happy we didn't go on an egomaniacal rampage with our messiah powers.
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>>4811467
he's God's mailman
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>>4811453
>I hope Eresh gets a less gloomy dress when wagies bring a whole shopfront to the house
hell yeah

>>4811472
we kinda are and are gonna ramp it up soon
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>>4811453
i thought you liked Pollux, didn't think you liked Eresh
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>>4811471
The question is where is the cut off exactly?
And why are they even more useless than Counter Force?
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>>4811453
>when wagies bring a whole shopfront to the house
Why have you not voted for the new schedule?

>>4811475
>hell yeah
Anon, aren't you voting against the new schedule that includes this?

>>4811476
Eresh wouldn't have been here if not for the nigger. He's the one who figured out the whole 2-girls-1-bottle thing and then started digging up all the reasons we want her as Queen if the Underworld.
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>>4811471
>>4811482
which one was the observing whale angel thing from fake?
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>>4811482
As to the uselessness in canon or here? Because I think this God's a bit higher level here.
Though. . . We'll see if the First Magician has some kind of connection to Jesus and co.
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>>4811503
That one's most likely either the White Whale, representing the unknowable power of nature, an Apkallu based on the spear in its mouth, or some kind of Divine Beast that serves as the basis of all those stories.
This is based on which silhouettes it uses to communicate.
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>>4811507
When saying White Whale, I meant Moby Dick.
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>>4811505
He can always send one of his wagie slaves to Pseudo-Servant us with his powers and take a nap inside to bypass the system entirely.
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>>4811503
>>4811507
>>4811508
https://youtu.be/v-Su1YXQYek
Song was so important to Narita in made it into Fate canon.
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>>4811505
The Magician bit is because of three things.
A win quote from Archetype Earth against Aoko in Melty.

"To think the Fifth Magician would actually appear. Up until this point, we are following the future that 'that man' detailed. However―it looks like there's a slight margin to the ending. I wonder who it shall be to add the final sentence?"

The fact that the night before AD 1 is when the First Magician is born

And the bit in Mahoyo where Aoko exposits about True Magic and speculates why do people even know about the Root if people disappear if they touch it, how they got there, etc.

"Aoko: ... I'm not interested in the Root, and firstly, there hasn't been a single person that's returned alive. There's no guarantee that it even is the seat of gods.
Soujuurou: Aozaki. What do you mean no one has returned alive?
Aoko: I mean that no one touching the Root has ever come back. On a global scale. You touch it, you cease to exist on the spot. The very moment the likes of a human soul touches it, it’ll go back to “where it came from" or be absorbed into the Root, or something.
Aoko: So, even the mages who have left their name in history have refrained from touching just that. At the best, they get close to it to stabilize their own magecraft in a hurry.
Soujuurou: Then how do we know it's that kind of place?
Aoko: Well, because there was probably someone who went inside and told us.
Soujuurou: But you said no one's returned alive.
Aoko: Those people probably ended up becoming God inside, right?"
Aoko: If that's it, then there's no reason for them to come back, right? And it could be that they simply can't come back. ...Well, I can’t really swallow that being "God" is really what we think it is, so I can’t believe it’s going to be very happy.

Those who succeeded and those who failed touched it couldn't return to this world. Why they told people about the "Whirl of the Root" may have been the result of the very first person to have become God wanting companions out of loneliness.....Or maybe because their work on the other side was so massive they needed other companions."
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>>4811516
You can call it "maw of the void" too.
It goes well with Buddhist and Taoism connotations. Vorechad 「 」.
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>>4811520
Touko called it "Ymir's Gate" (Ginnungagap?), so it probably varies a lot, but its usually either the very first thing in a system of thought, or represents nonduality.
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>>4811507
>>4811508
>>4811513

That's kinda sick. I can dig it
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>>4811528
Most of those interpretations are just basic enlightenment stuff from koans and its amalgamation with few other elements. Plenty of koans, which I couldn`t be bothered to find exact wording off, can be read close to how Nasuverse treats getting something out of Root. But in a bad way. Instead of leap of faith/acceptance-with-insight-about-oneself to enlightenment by letting go but just getting right state of mind and achieving understanding and being ripped out of cycles you get ROOTed by defensive mechanisms of World-system. Fun part is that people who uses Root are mostly bound to World by their carnality? And Beasts have whole Love of Humanity thing going on for them. I recall Tamamo having bunch of dialog lines about exactly that and how she views humans and inhumans. Manaka having access to Root and all Beast shit she has going on makes this even more hilarious on grand scheme of cosmic order. Gap of the void threatening to consume (you) representing mindstruggle for deeper understanding and balance between flesh and primordial nature of body and maind, Truth above truth and lies as concepts and Warrior Zen mindset from Japs in WW2 with whole "we all get enlightened from this world of suffering at some point so I might as well kamikaze this shit up".
Douman is really too smart to get it. Nagato Tohsaka was really the closest one to properly understand had he not met Zolgen and Justeaze.
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>>4811471
That's what I always expected, if you aren't an archangel you're just a living concept. Remember Azrael has been sublimated as a sword, and king reddit hears allah's voice as a bell tolling directly without a messenger
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>>4810964
>>4811173
time to dog pile on the wall of text writein
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>>4811577
Do we really have to ask both Waver and Para to teach us to teach? I'd rather not.
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>>4810964
>kiss them both
>"Can you have Chiyome remain on map duty at all time?"
>"Can you try to find Amethyst for me?"
>"We're going to need to have the Archers provide over watch in the future whenever somebody goes out."
>Talk to Rin and Ciel about using their Archers
>Rearrange the schedule in light of the increased danger to:
>Mention that you'd like a big feast together with everyone tonight, those who want to contribute can do so. after dinner we'll want to plan for the days of unrest ahead too so everyone in attendance, send invites to monke and mastah as well, and even Merlin. kinda want everyone available to sit at the table for this. Invite Waver too, it's not safe outside anymore.
>Take the kids out to visit the Argo. Have the kids play with the cat and dab on Castor, see if the Argo can be moved, invite the Argonauts for dinner.
>Take the kids to watch a movie.
>Contact your employees, have them bring a store worth of clothes for people to try on the house
>Dinner time
>Ask Paracelsus if he'd be willing to teach Rin. Also ask Waver if he'd be willing to teach you how to teach after the War
>Go watch a movie with everyone. Monty Python
>Hang out with Shirou, Shiki and SHIKI.

Made a version where I modified that one line. I had to do it.
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>>4811580
We'll ask WhatIs when he wakes up if we'll become a better teacher if we learn from both as opposed to one of them. If he says we won't, I'll support learning only from Waver, but otherwise I'd like us to be the best teacher possible. What do you think?
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What the fuck, 2 page autistic write-ins?
No
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Mmm, I probably don't have enough time to write an update rn.
It'll probably have to be later.
What is winning anyway?
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>>4810964

honestly I feel a bit bad about making Servants work non stop while we're taking the time off, irrational as it is given their nature. But yeah, switching to support >>4811173
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>>4811589
Humanity.
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>>4811587
I maintain my position that I don't think becoming the "Best teacher" should be a priority, as we have too little time to ration as is. For me, this is already a compromise.
If we go straight to CT, I think we shouldnt learn teaching from either yet, as we wont be teaching then anyhow.
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>>4811589
>>4811173 is winning

Have you thought about that anon's suggestion to take the day off, fix your sleeping schedule and write some interludes if you want? Sakura worries about you.
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>>4811593
And break my streak?
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>>4811592
Well, I guess we can't agree then. We'll have a few months before we head to the Clocktower, we promised to teach people, there are other people that could use our teaching even if we haven't promised them specifically, and being the best teacher possible is something I'd like us to do in the timeskip.

>>4811596
Your wellbeing is more important than your streak.
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>>4811580
I don't really care about those two points but I don't outright disagree. Just avoiding vote splitting
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>>4811597
>Your wellbeing is more important than your streak.
Maybe.
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Also, Bajiquan definitely includes spear stuff, and Li Shuwen was specifically great it, did we just forget to make Truth spear instead of sword, or did we specifically need a sword not spear?

since we should be good with that as with fists.
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>>4811602
too much time spent with Shirou
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>>4811602
Swords are cooler and look more impressive to onlookers.
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>>4811602
Good question. Why have we been Truth swording people instead of Truth spearing them, WhatIs? Did we accidentally become sword autist #2?
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What's the difference between the two write-in? They look similar to me.
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>>4811602
>>4811603
Grandpa could not protect his grandson from bad influence. Many such cases.
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We should pivot to spear since Scathach is also here to boost our skills, along with Najiquan memes.
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>>4811607
Learning how to teach from Para and Waver vs learning from Waver only.
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>>4811606
Because Saber is the strongest class filled with main characters.
and Lancers are the jobber class.
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>>4811609
If we've already put points on the spear talent tree, I have no reason to oppose this. Time to qualify for Lancer too.

>>4811611
Oh god, we really did become sword autist #2
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>>4811611
>Lancer Tamamo
RIP
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Poor Medea.
Not even going to ask Mrs. Colchis if she wants to teach you how to teach?
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>>4811610
>Discerning Eye: A
Personal Skill.
>An ability that finds its cause not on Zhuge Liang, but on El-Melloi II.
>A variant of Human Observation, this skill allows the user to tell the observed target how to maximize their full potential.

Waver is better at appraising and targeting niche things, Para is better at walking through the content due to his superior content knowledge so he can give you a comprehensive start to finish guide on a subject I imagine
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>>4811614
She's gonna teach us Item Construction, we can ask during the timeskip
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>>4811611
>Saber is the strongest class filled with main characters
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>>4811614
I don't think shes particularly good at teaching, or even did any?
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>>4811614
CAN she teach us how to teach?

>>4811615
Yes, that's why I want us to learn from both. They have different approaches that we can combine for a better result.
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>>4811615
Chiron also wants Waver Zhuge to teach him which is....
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>>4811617
He was the main character.
But he also jobbed a lot.
Duwang.
People let the Kira/DIO/JJBA memes go too far.
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>>4811614
Time spent with Medea is better used on different activities.
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What sorts of magic items would you even create if you had the ability to make Mystic Codes?
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>>4811643
Hand mirror of attack reflection
Portable hole (bottomless container)
Magical pencil (materializes any object drawn on surface or traced in air)
Reaction less drive in backpack form
Hearthstone
Truth modified ammo for archers
Necklace of displacement
Whatever of presence concealment
Magic carpet
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>>4811643
A spear.
Uncurse the Rhinegold with Chiyome and make a magic ring out of it.
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>>4811650
Specifically, I am hoping uncursing it will get rid of the "have to get rid of love to acquire world ruling ring".
Otherwise dunno, I think its more useful if we create Truth items as needed? So if we know how to make stuff, that might help us make better items out of truth. Does that work?
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>>4811643
Random thoughts:
Cloak of True Invisibility, not like Hades's stupid hat
Bag of holding
Protection from arrows is a high priority, we'll be getting into conflict with spooks
Attribute enhancing items
Magic Resistance, Poison Resistance, Curse Resistance, Defense enhancing items
Teleportation items
Something that lets us fly
Mental communication items, like Tamamo's stickers only better
Some sort of ranged weapon, ideally more than one
Copies of the above for our allies, and items specific for them like bullets for Billy
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>>4811643
Truth weapons including guns, Bronze-Link Manipulators, Authority-emulating items similary to those of Ishtar, all other potentially broken conceptual items that would supplement our fighting style and bunch of utility items.
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>>4811651
>So if we know how to make stuff, that might help us make better items out of truth. Does that work?
I don't see why it wouldn't, yes.

Oh, and one more: An amulet or something that would auto-activate on death and administer Asclepius's perfected potion for an instant resurrection before the soul gets eaten by the Root. A safety net for everyone until we've set up New Kur.
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When can we go to the Mooncell?
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>>4811643
I want to try making Truth infused Photonic Crystal that wont melt from our stuff, and maybe make the staff part of the spear out of it. Para's thing is cool, but imagine an enlightened supercomputer to assist casting and shit, and also a spearhead fro something else.
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>>4811658
If we meet Buddha we can uno reverse card his enlightenment shtick right?
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>>4811660
If Morgan made the Logos React here, her and Para can do the heavy lifting and we'll add Truth, since we arent an alchemist, and Morgan can do stupid spiritron computer mini Moon Cell stuff.
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>>4811658
A couple decades, if it didn't melt already trying to understand Truth. It sees everything that happens in Earth, and we used our full Aria when healing our arm yesterday.
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>>4811663
I think we'd have noticed the moon evaporating. The entire under surface area is the Moon Cell.
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>>4811665
>This great mineral vein is located within an extremely large hole comparable to a several-kilometer-wide crack boring through the moon itself. The diameter of the crystals themselves reaches up to thirty kilometers.
>The diameter of the Moon is 3,474 km
It's less than 1/100th of the diameter of the moon, its volume is less than 1/10,000th of the moon. It's large, but not that large. NASA probably recorded a moonquake, but nothing more.
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>>4811669
That individual crystal is that large. Extra, Extella, etc all have it as the entire Moon. Thats an in universe finding of the first time.
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>>4811669
The very next line says
"It seems that, apart from its surface portions, the moon itself is made up of these photonic crystals."
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>>4811673
Are you sure about that? How does it fit with Crimson Moon's existence?

>>4811677
I chalked it up to Nasu not realizing how big the moon is and/or hyperbole.
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>>4811678
"TYPE-MOON Fes. Official Pamphlet 10th Anniversary Q & A Booklet:

Q: Is there any relationship between the Moon Cell and the Crimson Moon? Does the Moon Cell exist in universes outside of EXTRA?

A: Moon cell is something that is only in EXTRA, and it does not have anything to do with the Crimson Moon. However, in the world of EXTRA, the "Brain of the Planet" (Archetype Earth's title) who is equivalent to the Crimson Moon should still be living somewhere."

Crimson Moon probably existed, but didnt come to Earth, so TAs are probably not templated on him, and he isn't Type-Moon, even if he exists.

>I chalked it up to Nasu not realizing how big the moon is and/or hyperbole.
Bruh. There is a difference between being wrong and thinking the Moon is 30 kms. Also reminder that it was made by the same aliens as the Velber probably, so the scale is not at all strange.

Hyperbole is also ???, such as when Berserker in fsn is described as mountain shaking strikes or something like that, everyone goes hyperbole, GO Heracles tanks 2 shots of Artemis Anti-Island/Reduced anti-planet beam. Same with all the big shit.
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>>4811683
If we go by Nasu hyperbole Shirou can stop time.
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>>4811684
?
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>>4811683
>Crimson Moon probably existed, but didnt come to Earth, so TAs are probably not templated on him, and he isn't Type-Moon, even if he exists.
We know he did those things in our Earth, so the Moon Cell would be a thorn. I guess WhatIs has the opening to have it be there if he wants. I don't know why he'd want to though. And I still think it melted, if it ever was there.

>There is a difference between being wrong and thinking the Moon is 30 kms.
I really wouldn't be surprised at all if Nasu picked a random number and just didn't think about it at all. I've come to expect as much of him.

Hyperbole is something extremely usual for Nasu. "Fills up the insides of the moon" is something I'd expect him to say even if the reality is that it fills up just a fuckhuge cavern that is still tiny compared to planetary scales.
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>>4811686
Shirou at one point in F/SN thinks "I stop time".
He's unreliable as fuck.
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>>4811687
I think that's stupid, and I don't believe it. Also since neither of those claims are cited anyway.
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>>4811684
>>4811686
>>4811688
Yeah, we missed the mark with concept of Time.
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>>4811688
I can believe that he subjectively experienced stopped time, I guess. Atlas stuff talks about how Circuits can be used for calculations and making more memory partitions not just your brain, and Case Files talks about how magi can avoid sleep by using their circuits.

Otherwise its either accept nothing or accept everything.
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>>4811689
You still have Hope that Nasu won't do something stupid? I admire your optimism, fren.

As for citations, I can't say you're wrong, so let's just go with "I don't know" for the Moon Cell's real size. Could be a millionth of the size of the moon I fucked up the previous number, could be the whole moon. We'll send some astronauts there in a decade and find out what WhatIs thought about it.
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>>4811691
Shirou is a shitter magus though.
He shouldn't be able to do that.
Nothing is consistent in Fate.
Servant wank has made grail wars silly.
Good luck fighting alongside your Servant when the wank makes everything around them implode.
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>>4811643
Scales to judge a target's intentions, mystic eyes emulation contacts that can be projected as need be, chain's imbued with Betty's Gravity bind forged of Truth, that we can activate the intensified gravity of at will to immediately ground and bind something, a suit of thin Truth around the body like Kavacha and Kundala or with redirection or on contact debuffs?

So much variety and a good way to use lesser concepts for niche trinkets
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>>4811693
>You still have Hope that Nasu won't do something stupid? I admire your optimism, fren.
Okay, a more complete wording would be "I don't want to believe it, so I won't."

Technically, the Moon Cell could be 30km, but then that means that it is capable of creating stuff like the 404 light years barrier, the 8-dimensional spiritron wall, and the Far Side which contains infinities that are required to break through the 404 light years barrier.

So it would be even more absurd that such a small thing can hold a Dimension (sanzensekai, galaxy worth of solar systems etc) worth of data, and observe (all?) adjacent realities, and do all the crazy shit as extra, such as keep Sefar locked down in Zero Dark and serve as a new universe for humanity AND civilizations from other planets as per the CCC Tamamo ending.
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>>4811697
where did the apostrophe in chains even come from?
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Will Tamamo get jealous when we play with Atalante's ears?
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Who gets the concept of Antimatter

And would it be treated like plain old Imaginary Numbers in nasuverse?
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>>4811701
Anti-cell Servants.
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>>4811703
So MATHMAN or Liz?
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>>4811701
Okita Alter
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>>4811705
That won't stop her exploding, it'll actually help her explode faster
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>>4811701
Antimatter explodes you due to interacting with surrounding, or gets read as the reverse of the situation with that pokemon translation, where something like "that which is the opposite of real" got translated as "antimatter" because "thats just anti(reverse) matter (real), right?"
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>>4811698
Grandpa's supercomputer was castle-sized, not even 1-kilometer wide, and it could do all sorts of crazy stuff. I have no trouble believing that a 30-km Moon Cell would be capable of what you're describing. Volume, and so the capabilities, scale with the cube of the radius. Such a Moon Cell would be more than 27,000 times stronger than grandpa's.

>>4811701
Someone we want to instantly die and take out a planet with him from the Matter-Antimatter annihilation?

>>4811705
Double suicide bomber?
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>>4811708
Basically "opposite of real" without being nothing or fake, somehow.
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>>4811704
You can have Altera eat Velber and give anti-cell powers to anyone and after that give antimatter to Servants who will have connection to Imaginary Numbers to avoid annihilating solar system by accident
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>>4811708
ye I was shilling Time Dragon heart mo to whatis just then and figured I'd throw the Giratina option out to the thread.

Who gets to be the space benis :DDD
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Let's truth up a Master Ball to catch Yahweh.
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>>4811709
I honestly think most of ELIXIR was nothing much compared to the Moon Cell, the real big danger was actually using the resources it had intelligently with the whole god eating plan.

The Moon Cell can administrate so much shit, but it basically doesn't do anything, as it has no mind, so it definitely wouldn't try to cleverly leverage itself.

If someone used its resources cleverly and completely, it would be like being the World.
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>>4811715
Item Construction :^)

people seethed about servant pokemon ain't seen nothing yet
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>>4811701
Actually, on the second thought, just give it to Sakura.
She has output of Tiamat to support it, Imaginary Numbers magecraft, she knows how to seal, can do nullification things and she can use it with her ribbons.
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>>4811718
so she can basically use C.C.C if she traps something in ribbons then
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>>4811718
Why don't we give her Space, if we want the broken concept? Why the suicide bomber option?
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>>4811719
She already can. The CCC works via "Cursed Boundary Layer", which is exactly how Sakura's Black Grail/Angra/Imaginary Numbers ribbons and Shadow shit is described, which is her own power supercharged.

Tiamat Sakura should already be able to do it.
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>>4811719
She already can though.
CCC is just Potnia Theron + Imaginary Numbers.
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>>4811720
Because she can actually toggle it off, pretty much anyone else isn't allowed to live on this plane of existence anymore and has to live in gbj forever like Giratina does if it doesn't alter it's body to not cause reality to explode from it's presence
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>>4811722
>>4811723
We should probably tell her this, it's not exactly instinctive. Have her practice in front of B.B so she realises we know of her attack somehow.

Hell, B.B. might have good pointers
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>>4811719
Free Asha Vahishta too and perpetual magic output from loop interaction between Tiamat, IN, antimatter and her Vorechad attribute. Mana burst passive reactive armour as bonus too.
Sea of Live and Sakura-Tiamat creations will all be Noise from Symphogear from that too.
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I am also going to randomly add another idea as to why Marisbilly's plan is probably related to both TATARI, the 6th Law/Magic and the Fantasy Trees, before I forget it.

TATARI came into existence as the rumour phenomena when Zepia died to the 6th Law. It is a phenomena based on rumours, false info, fears, etc.

Lostbelts are also false histories, not real being made real via the trees instead of Zepia's chad calculations and CM's power. EoR also did this theme.

Since Maris wants a path to the Root, this guess would be that he wants/is reaching for the same sixth Zepia was, since it may have something to do with falsity/reality and stuff like that.
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Why don't we give Abby Space?
Our most neglected daughter deserves something.
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>>4811729
she's a solid candidate, fuck shittar
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>>4811724
I'm not sure it won't have any adverse effects on Sakura or Tiamat either. Nullification nullfies magic, and antimatter is not magic. It has no connection to INS either, antimatter is matter with an opposite charge, imaginary numbers are something entirely different.

Seriously, why antimatter? Why give it to anyone at all? And who else is a better candidate for Space?

>>4811726
True that
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>>4811726
Tamamo exposits about it, and says she can also use Cursed Boundary Layer.
It's described as "world turned inside out with hatred only to kill a target and [one] could not get out of it unless removing the cause."
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>>4811727
swarms of antimatter lahmu
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>>4811732
Because this antimatter =/= antimatter in physics. Its basically "reverse real" in anti - matter, or that which exists but not in this world. Sounds familiar? Imaginary Numbers. Hollow/Void.
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>>4811728
WhatIs keeps shilling TATARI, Olga was shoved into story. Probably a thing.

Any rumours worth seeding via media connections money pre-emptively, Shinji is aware of TATARI
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>>4811735
This is like how Imaginary Numbers explicitly has a disclaimer that Magecraft Imaginary Numbers =/= Mathematical Imaginary Numbers in Theory of Magic mats.
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>>4811732
Just toying with Time tier retarded concepts while the writeslave is larping as a wageslave
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>>4811736
Since its based on fear, uh. Anything scary that it existing would be good for us? Maybe something we could make True and get a copy of that we normally cant summon or make? Or some kind of hypothetical.
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>>4811732
Out of curiosity, what would you give to Sakura and or Tiamat if you had free reign?

Or just a ballpark idea.

Drawing on the evidence that Time didn't scuff Mordred's personality
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>>4811734
She can reverse engineer exact mechanic behind Manjew Altershit and give everyone antimatter dragon child of Tiamat attribute with antimagic characteristics too.
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>>4811742
She could rewrite all living beings with an antimatter amino geass

Is this how we Truth meme the planet?
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>>4811728
Interesting connection, yes.

>>4811735
I would very much like a citation for that.

>>4811737
Why don't we give her control over Imaginary Numbers then?

>>4811738
I'm always afraid of the possible consequences.

>>4811741
Before Time King Mordred, I would have gone for Will for Sakura and a solid dunno for Tiamat. After that? I don't know. I'd have gone for Space, but Abby might legitimately be a better choice. Void, maybe? I haven't thought about it that much.

>>4811742
>antimatter dragon child
What does that even mean if antimatter is not physics antimatter?

>>4811743
Sounds like how we destroy the planet and get scolded by Taiga in the dojo, if not worse.
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>>4811743
Don`t forget that Tiamat can also get a Concept herself.
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>>4811745
>>4811741
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>>4811743
Sounds like a good way to feed Sakura's controlling side by having her vore all life so she can be with us forever.
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Also seeing as Abby is still a Silver Key and we're talking fundamental retardation tier stuff, what would we want.

Also need a way to stop Yog using her or she could be used against us
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>>4811744
>I would very much like a citation for that.
It's...it's a pokemon thing. Giratina being the "god of anti-matter", but what hes actually the god of is "anything not under time or space".

Rules the Distortion World, which is also localized as "The Reverse World".

The anti-matter is the flipping of matter, so TLers thought that flipping of spacetime into "not!spacetime" was close enough for antimatter.

its not a nasu thing, just a different interpretation of words.
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>>4811746
Void for Tiamat.
Antimatter for Sakura.
>>4811749
Gate.
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>>4811744
Is Imaginary Numbers one word?

I don't think Abby and Space is good enough, as Yog is time-space or archetype stuff, but I guess it works...
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>>4811744
Yes, WhatIs working is always a terrifying concept.

Imagine actually being financially compensated for time.

Also, who would a Rhongobongo umbrella?
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>>4811749
I wonder if Abby could get "Archetype". As in the archetype stuff Yog-Sothoth has.

Yog also doesn't give a shit, doesn't even notice Salem. I think he's too big brain ascended as the Supreme Archetype, all wizards, wisemen, artists etc and beyond duality and shit.
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>>4811750
>s...it's a pokemon thing
For the love of all that is holy, you guys are suggesting giving Antimatter to Sakura based on a fucking pokemon thing? Not even a Nasu thing? What the actual fuck? What the actual fuck? Why would you ever expect that to go well?

>>4811751
What does Tiamat have to do with Void? No antimatter for Tiamat based on a pokemon thing.

>>4811752
We gave Suzuka self-determination, I don't think two words matter as long as it's a single concept.

Space would still work for Sakura if we don't want to give it to Abby.
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>>4811746
Life for Tiamat.

Buff both her Authority and her mana generation. Why the magical energy generation? Life force is magical energy, mana is the "breath/vitality of the planet". Ergo Truth buffing her "life" of a life authority mother goddess/space ark....
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>>4811754
So you're saying she's just a bad girl then?
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>>4811749
Betty or Nyarla can throw Yog into a cuck cage.
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>>4811755
Because Tiamat is also a dragon that has to stay in gbj because her existence causes death and destruction in the real world

It's not something we'd vote for, it's different canon autism discussion
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>>4811755
>What the actual fuck?
Do you have the capacity to enjoy speculation for its own sake?
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>>4811756
Love for Tiamat.
Some Beast 3 with my Beast 2 thanks.
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>>4811759
Honestly, maybe something like "Harmony" might even let Tiamat go out into the world and live along humans? We can't really touch her without being Chaos Tide'd though.
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>>4811761
She already loves her children. That's part of the problem
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>>4811762
We're not her child, we are Truth.
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>>4811765
Technically nothing outside the Babylonian Texture is her child, as other textures had other origins for humans.

That's why her Beast power is Nega-Genesis, she rewrites you so she retroactively was, even if she in history wasn't. Since its an Authority+Beast stuff, I don't expect that to protect us from being retconned into her custom Phylogenetic Tree
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>>4811762
We've facetanked conversations from True Nyarla and God.
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>>4811768
>rewriting Truth
Good luck trying.
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>>4811769
They weren't trying to hurt us, and I would even say may have explicitly been trying to not hurt us. Tiamat doesn't really have enough control.
You could make a bet with an RM Aria, but I think its pretty risky. Maybe with Merlin nearby to swallow the output of the Chaos Tide? Or Morgan or Arc
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Betty could get Cosmos, leaving Space free?

Just pulling apart the Animusphere mantra

Who gets Anima (soul) and Animus (heart)

Maybe Abby for Animus for the full Nomura experience?
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>>4811770
The problem is that our soul and mind is Truth. Our meatsuit is still just a human. If it was a soul thing I wouldn't be as worried, but its pretty much a body thing, and we are a meatperson not a truthperson.
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>>4811773
I'd think Animus would be better for Betty, as Azathoth is the "heart" or center, along with being its animus, or life/existence giving presence, of the universe? Does that work?
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>>4811760
Within limits. Pokemon is way, way beyond them. Can we talk about Void, Space, Imaginary Numbers or something like that?

>>4811774
I agree anon.
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>>4811775
So give the two Anim*s to the eldritch lolis then?
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>>4811774
We facetanked authority several billions of times stronger from Betty.
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>>4811777
or is there a better use for Anima elsewhere?
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>>4811777
Ideally we'd give Animus to a Nyarly Foreigner, as he's the "soul of the Outer Gods" and also of those pipers.
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>>4811779
Anima is also a feminine concept, so keep that in mind.

Animus is masculine so Betty might end up a tomboy
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>>4811773
Ourobora gets Cosmos.
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>>4811778
And yet, Zorochi, Morrígan or Cu could cut us in half even if we recite our Aria.
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>>4811782
Nyarly doesn't need a Foreigner host though.
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>>4811778
We facetanked Azathoth's authority as wielded by a fragment of Betty that didn't really want to hurt us, while inside her mind, in a very emotionally critical moment. It does not mean we are invincible.

>>4811783
No animus for Betty then.
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>>4811782
Meant Anima, close enough.
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>>4811787
So we're giving the thin Truth skinsuit we Item Construction up the concept of Invincibility then, correct?
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>>4811786
BBhotep is right there
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>>4811785
Yeah but they aren't attempting to rewrite us.
We're basically the opposite of Betty.
Weak to grug, no sell complex shit.
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>>4811789
>thin Truth skinsuit
Can we make it a skintight forcefield or something instead? I would normally say we should leave Invincibility for someone else, but I can't bring myself to object.
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>>4811789
Probably add Armor or something that makes up both. Otherwise it may be Invincible, but not very good at being armor, probably by not blocking force going through, just being perfectly non-destroyable. Otherwise if its perfectly "invincible", it'll stop particle movement and that would be stupid.
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>>4811792
The true big brain move is to try adding Truth to the Dragonblood ritual. Get the dragon factor and also the dragonblood skin armor.
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>>4811793
probably better for a shield then.

Maybe Decimation for the armour, so it just perfectly mirrors Kavacha and Kundala? Only letting 1/10th through
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>>4811790
As a powerless janny.
Literal janny maid now.
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>>4811791
We're human scale Sefar. BTFO "Civilized" complex stuff and loses to retard unga bunga.
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>>4811795
Make a "Preservation" magic ring or item? Keep us whole, either as super regen like actual retard tier regenerators or super armor.
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>>4811795
oops i'm retarded, it'd let 90% through. nvm
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>>4811794
It's already a dragonblood ritual with Truth dragon blood. I don't see what adding Truth would do. And since we'll be doing a ritual instead of bathing the dragon armor won't make us look like Siegfried, will it?

>>4811795
Decimation sounds more like an offensive concept than a defensive one. Why not just go simple and give our item Defense?
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>>4811798
an autolife style construct that could enable an instant res might be good, but then I worry about that creating a worse than dead end, as dying would have been better
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>>4811802
I suggested Asclepius's potion auto trigger for that. It's an item we should give to the others until we make New Kur, not hold for ourselves.
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>>4811801
decimation was the process of punishing a legion by randomly culling 1/10
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>>4811806
I am aware, yes. It's always being used as something you've done as an offense now though.
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>>4811802
Same danger exists in general with life preservation stuff. You can just be kidnapped.
The other side is that if we have life preserving shit we won't have allies potentially throwing themselves in the way of shit to save us maybe, if they know we'd be fine.
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>>4811805
Ik, it's always a good idea. But ironically terrible for Shinji, great for allies.

Usually if Shinji is so overwhelmed he dies it's better to have that as a dead end fuckup and retry. Narratively it allows WhatIs to drop a magic nuke on us, everyone dies and we get back up again, alone
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>>4811801
Difference between having Truth as a material and having a Truth Concept as a directionality for what the truth in the material should adhere to. Truth Dragon Blood+Truth Dragon Concept.
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>>4811809
>terrible for Shinji, great for allies
Not unusual. We're a support class, a leader. And many of the items we make would be just as useful for our allies if not even more.

Mass producing auto-res items is the first thing we should do with item creation, I think. And then work on other items.
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>>4811812
We aren't a support class though. Not managing to meaningfully battle the opposition does not make one a support class.
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The based Chuuni thing about Truth concept weapons is you literally just call them the concept name IC
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Why not just "Percentage" for armor?
1 percent of damage goes through.
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>>4811813
Look at what we've done for our allies and with our allies. The time when we did everything alone is long past. Our contributions to combat is always speak-no-jutsu, outlandish plans that use our allies strengths to bring us victory, and very rarely something offensive. As much as you don't like it, we are very much a support class.

>>4811815
Anything from 0% to 100% is a percentage though. Probably just turns incoming damage into a gamble.
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Shinji would be THE meta support servant in FGO.
Imagine his buffs.
Imagine how much whaling would be done for funny meta man.
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>>4811816
That's still not a support class, thats a leader. Support class would be someone that actively buffs and supports the combatants.
We'll see after dragon stuff and some training.
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>>4811816
Fraction is better then.
Anything from 1/2 to 1/100000000+
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>>4811819
Our Servant iteration WOULD probably be a support. Though that Rider class....
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>>4811823
All our Servant versions are 5* except probably welfare 4* Saber.
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>>4811820
We are the leader, the face of the party, AND the support. Why try to turn us into something we are not? We'll be better at combat for sure than we currently are, but we'll never be the best in our faction at this and it'll never be our first resort.

>>4811822
Fraction also includes 99/100

>>4811826
I loled
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In a completely unrelated topic, I just started reading Strange Fake. Is that Police Chief a potential ally? From his first appearance he's an ally of Justice, not a patriot and he hates Prelatti. We might be able to convince him.
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Since SHIKI's Death-resistive body thing was mentioned, I noticed he also has something else according to Tsukihime Dokuhon Plus Period.

"Corrosive Separation. One of Tohno SHIKI’s abilities as a demon hybrid. A curse of fusion by contact.
SHIKI is naturally capable of continuing to use his own body no matter what condition it’s in, but his ultimate ability is actually restoring his own flesh by assimilating the flesh of others. In other words, it’s the no holds barred version of an organ transplant.
Though SHIKI became a vampire due to being invaded by Roa’s consciousness, this innate ability as a demon hybrid was already pretty vampire-ish."

Wonder how that interacts with his super immortality.

>>4811828
>Why try to turn us into something we are not?
Well, we also aren't a teacher but for some reason we promised to teach important things to a lot people, so that ships passed imo.
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>>4811832
He's too patriotic. Not going to up for the our new rule and Age, and also with instating someone else as a ruler+all the other shit.
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>>4811834
we can lop off some limbs for him to vore
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Caster is probably our most Meta Class
Truth Healing
Complete Heal plus total debuff removal.
Truth Manipulation
Target Servant has all skill effects and chances increased by 250 percent for three turns.
Blessed Circuits
Self NP gain

NP would probably be our incomplete marble.
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>>4811837
his president at the time is a monke lmao
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>>4811834
We make other people stronger. Being a teacher is part of that. I know you don't like it, but it's not completely unrelated.

>>4811837
I just read him saying he's not a patriot and he dislikes working with the spook. Is it really impossible to convince him that our world would be more Just than the current one?

>>4811838
Shuten might get jealous.
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>>4811839
you forgot the targetable choose your cardtype buff

>>4811842
We could make SHIKI like Merem, give him a Truth limb with a unique concept each
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>>4811843
Four concepts for SHIKI? I suppose it won't be too much of a waste if we use weak ones.
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Also, with Lancer Artoria's recent buff her Mana Burst now gives her strong anti-evil and anti-chaotic damage. We'd assume this is Rhongobongo's doing, as this Artoria isn't full goddess, she's still Artoria just booba.

So Rhongobongo wields get Holy affinity mana burst? and Holy actively deals bonus damage to Chaotic and Evil targets.

Yet the beams don't do so?

>>4811845
We could always just emulate Merem and use the concept of an animal for each so he has the 4 demon-like things.

Or we could have him vore some demon pillars after giving him Domination or something to control them.

Budget Goetia batman.

Buzzcola is able to keep grailmud in his body for years using his own personal Domination magecraft
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>>4811846
>Domination
Dracula SHIKI with the Power of Domination taking over Goetia's Pillars?
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>>4811847
Based. It's already a really strong concept without Truth, judging by Buzzcola's use of it too
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>>4811847
I hope Ciel likes it rough
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Ciel is an AoG level magus.
We need to stop her autism holding her back.
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One more thing between Marisbilly and TATARI.

"Night on the Blood Liar

The Night of Wallachia’s Arc Drive.
The part that looks like a black tornado is actually compressed malignant information. It is a swirling mass of information dense enough to have a physical effect, but even if it were merely imaginary, its operation and management would still be proof of the Night of Wallachia’s qualification as one of the 27 Dead Apostle Ancestors."

>information dense enough to have a physical effect.
>information dense enough to have mass.
CHALDEAS?
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>>4811854
Next week's conversation with Moneybills will be very interesting.
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>>4811860
Tell me about Daybit, why does he wear the coat?
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Out of the cage.
What won?
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>>4811871
Still >>4811173
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Speaking of dragons and dongfu. I noticed that there is one single mention of a "language of dragons" in one of Gil's GO interludes or whatever theyre called.

"Gilgamesh: Interesting, golems constructed using the language of dragons is quite a rare sight. It seems there is a knowledgeable one amongst the dragons fallen here. "
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When we hang out with Shirou, Shiki, and SHIKI, will there be alcohol involved? Share a cold one with the bros and all?
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>>4811852
Let's go on a date with her and convince her to do that

>>4811851
She's a nun of course she does
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>>4811847
>Drcaula SHIKI
>Power of Domination
Power of Dominance.
SHIKI does look a little bit like Soma, actually.
Or well, he would, if he didn't have his natural hair color when he's not pushing his Oni-blood powers to the limit.
Soma also being the current reincarnation of a super powerful undying vampire who is at risk of being taken over by them.
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>>4811913
Wtf dude, Soma is a rip off of SHIKI
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You walk closer to Medea, looking her in the eyes for just a moment before you suddenly kiss her on the lips, the woman doesn't have much of a reaction to the kiss, at least initially, though she quickly reciprocates the kiss, unlike with Tamamo, she does actually end up draining some of your magical energy through the kiss. Hmm, is she less capable of restraining herself than Tamamo is when it comes to draining you of your magical energy? Or is Tamamo's naturally larger reserve of magical energy great enough that she doesn't feel the need to take in your magical energy. You remain kissing for some time, before you break it off. "Thank you for saving the two of us, Medea. I don't think that was an opponent that Tamamo and myself alone would have been capable of defeating, not that I'm not confident in Tamamo's strength, of course. But it's quite clear that an actual strategy is going to be required to beat that particular enemy." Seriously, with the level of electromagnetic manipulation that Monica is capable of now, she's more than a match for multiple Servants all at once. Not to mention her practical immunity to magical attacks and her ability to absorb energy and magic in general.

"I don't think it would've been completely hopeless, Husband." Tamamo is clearly a little jealous of the fact that you just kissed Medea in front of you. "I believe that with an intelligent approach, defeating this opponent shouldn't be impossible. They clearly rely on electromagnetism for almost all of their attacks, a powerful opponent, to be sure, but a specialist at the same time. I wouldn't go so far as to call them a one-trick pony, but... Well, their strength would be diminished quite a bit if they didn't have so much power to draw on from their surroundings." Tamamo brings up a good point. If Monica is drawing strength from her surroundings, then she effectively has an unlimited supply of energy to wield against you. A city connected to a national grid should be able to provide her with whatever power she could possibly end up needing, after all. So... perhaps it might make some sense to purposely cause a city-wide blackout? Something to think about. It's not like it would be that difficult, either.
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"You've given me an idea that I might follow up on, Tamamo." You walk back to the side of the fox eared spellcaster and kiss her on the lips as well, there's no resistance at all, and she actually does drain your magical energy just a tiny amount this time. Not to the degree that Medea greedily took, but she's taking a small amount slowly, almost as if apprehensive about taking too much. Though you can't blame her for her cautiousness. As she's more like a goddess in her current state, if she took too much at once, there's very much a chance that she could accidentally devour your soul as well as your magical energy. So it's obvious that she's trying to avoid doing that. You eventually break away from this kiss as well, before you go back to business. "If you're confident in a strategy to defeat them, then the next time we encounter that enemy, I won't have us run, but... Well, I'm supposed to be taking a break from stress for today, yet it seems that despite my best efforts, conflict will try to seek me out. Therefore, Medea... Could you have it so that Chiyome remains on map duty at all time? I'm sure she'll appreciate being able to watch over me in a way that doesn't violate my privacy in any way."

Medea nods. "Of course. I'll re-calibrate it so that it picks up on your energy signature too. I'm glad that you're alright." Medea smiles at you. "I didn't expect that our enemies would be so callous and desperate to launch an attack on us during the day, but I'm glad that you kept your promise, even if I feel bad about having you choose between keeping it and defending yourself properly." The smile warms your heart just a little, and you're glad that you didn't actually try to get involved in a fight with Monica or try to convince her or something. Words would've likely been pointless, and you didn't have the firepower to defeat her with you at the time. No matter how powerful that Tamamo might be, it doesn't change that she'd be hard countered by an enemy that eats magic for free energy, even if her witchcraft works on somewhat different principles.
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"There's no need to feel bad about it, Medea." You sigh. "If I were more careful in the first place and had the map utilized in a more effective manner before this happened, I wouldn't have ended up in this situation. But with somebody keeping a careful eye on the map at all times, it shouldn't be all that likely that we will be ambushed by an opponent again... Well, other than perhaps by an Assassin." You're still wary of the Assassins of the war. After all, there are three that are very much unaccounted for. Hassan of the Hundred Faces, who you know that Manaka should have access to, the currently unknown Assassin of Waver's faction, who Manaka should also have available to her, and finally, the ever elusive and mysterious Second Assassin, who has yet to make any moves. "Speaking of being more careful, while I go off to speak with Rin and Ciel about having their archers provide overwatch for whenever somebody leaves the house, I want you to see if you can't find Amethyst for me. The... Mystic Code that I wielded against Orochi in the first battle. It seems to have gone missing, and it's too powerful a weapon for me to ignore it being absent for so long." Seriously, you really want to know where the hell it might've managed to get off to. While you certainly don't appreciate the risk of transforming into a woman, it's a risk you'll be willing to take to defuse a desperate situation.

"If you're looking for that weapon again, maybe I ought to help..." Tamamo raises a hand to her chin. "It was a tremendously powerful Mystic Code, and may very well turn the tide in our favor in the future..." Tamamo seems to be thinking deeply about things, before she suddenly comes to a decision, slapping her fist into an open palm. "Alright, that's what I'll do. I'll see if Medea here needs any assistance when it comes to finding it!" Medea frowns slightly, but doesn't refuse the help from her peer.

"That's great! Thanks again, you two!" You see this as an opportunity to leave the room, hopefully working together will help the two women bond with each other more. After all, they've got a lot in common with one another. A connection to the sun, a Neutral Evil alignment, the fact that both of them were victims of unfortunate circumstances in their tales, and of course, a wish to be a perfect wife for the man they love. With that in mind, the two of them will either become great friends with one another, or the worst of enemies. Personally, you're hoping that the two of them will be able to get along, having the women who love you hate one another would be a whole different level of upsetting. "I'll see the two of you later! I love you!" With one last parting declaration of love, you head into the corridors of your large home, and begin to wander about, looking for Ciel. It takes some time of wandering about and checking rooms until you manage to bump into her into the corridor and stop her. "Ciel! I need to talk."
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"What's up, Shinji?" Ciel doesn't use an honorific for addressing you, but that's fine. You don't know Ciel all too well personally, but you do know that she's effectively hinged everything on you being true to your word. She's technically a subordinate of yours, you suppose, but you don't expect her to start treating you as such. She hardly knows you, after all.

"I want to talk to you about a few things, do you have a minute?" While you'll also get Rin to have Archer help, Karna is by far the superior Archer. At least when it comes to actual skill. EMIYA does of course have his trump cards that might be able to give him an edge, but in terms of pure skill, you'd be hard pressed to find a true Archer better with a bow than Karna is.

"I do, what did you want to say?"

>"Can you have Karna provide overwatch on people whenever they leave the house, instead of just on potential threats to the house?"
>"Can you summon Karna first? I want to talk with him personally."
>"Have you tried getting Karna to come out of his shell?"
>"Do you think we can expect a response from the Church any time soon? I don't expect they'll take the theft of the Lance lightly."
>Write-in...
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>>4811961
>>"Do you think we can expect a response from the Church any time soon? I don't expect they'll take the theft of the Lance lightly."
>>"Have you tried getting him to come out of his shell?"
>>"Can you summon him first? I want to talk with him personally."
These are all good and are good relationship building
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>>4811967
>>4811964
Guess QM made a spelling mistake
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>>4811961
All of the above, I'd say, until some interruption happens.

>Thanks for your help with grandfather.
>How are you settling in with others? Need anything?
>Can you have Karna provide overwatch for people when they leave the house? The streets are proving to be dangerous even in daytime now.
>How is he settling in by the way? Have you tried getting him out of his shell?
>Do you think we can expect response from the Church soon? Any suggestions who to approach to get them off our backs without excessive use of violence? I'd rather avoid keeping them as bitter enemies.
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>>4811964
Support >>4811979
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>>4811964
>>4811979
+1
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>>4811964
>>4811979
relinking to fixed prompt
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>>4811964
>>4811979
Supporting
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>>4811964
Calling in ten.
Poor Ciel is unpopular.
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>>4811979
+1, Ciel is cool fuck you
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>>4812029
She is in my top5
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>>4812038
What's your top five, anon?
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>>4811050
So will MHX show up still?
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>>4812040
Change Mysterious Heroine X into Mysterious Heroine XXX with the concept of "Hentai"
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>>4812042
Lol (by the way apologies for the 1 post ID shit. Out of the house currently. When I get back my ID should change back)

>>4811964
>>4811979
Support
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>>4812029
Is she? I feel like she's decently popular
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>>4812060
I was mostly just talking about how there weren't many votes.
Then again, update was earlier than usual.
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>>4812061
Actually nvm I was wrong, she’s the least popular heroine in Tsukihime
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>>4812078
Poor Ciel.
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>>4812053
Aight I’m home now.

>>4812085
Yeah....she’s cool but at the cost of being overshadowed by Arcueid.
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"Well, first I wanted to thank you for your help with dealing with my Grandfather." While Orochi was powerful enough that what would've been a lethal strike upon practically anybody else in existence was merely a terribly damaging strike, it's not like Ciel's help wasn't useful. The fact that she was so willing to help is a great show of her character, then again, the fact is that reality itself was very much at stake, so her options weren't exactly various. Honestly, all but the most deranged of people would fight tooth and claw against the destruction of reality, so you don't really know if it really is praiseworthy that she chose to help. Then again, it's not like you knew the true scope of Zolgen's plan up until you confronted him, so it still is admirable that Ciel chose to help.

"It's no problem, besides, with Kotomine dead, I'm technically the sole overseer of the war... Even if I've turned my back on the Church." Ciel chuckles a little. "Honestly, I've been thinking about whether or not I made the right choice to throw in with you and your faction, but... well... It's quite obvious that the Church are going to come into conflict with you at some point in the future, and I'd honestly rather be on your side than against you... Not to mention that I've not even come close to paying off the debt I owe you for doing what you did to Roa." Ciel crosses her arms, remembering the vampire that is almost impossible for anybody else in existence to remember. She is one of the few people capable of remembering Roa as more than just an unknown vampire related phenomena. The mysterious case of the missing extra ranked Dead Apostle Ancestor will likely baffle generations of the Church and the Clocktower to come.

"I'm glad that you're not regretting your choice to join me." You state calmly. Honestly, you've been worried about Ciel as of recent, she's clearly not going to be happy with being surrounded by vampires, after all. Then again, it's not like she wasn't forced to work alongside a Dead Apostle Ancestor when she was still a part of the Burial Agency, so she'll just have to get over her hang-ups on Arcueid and Satsuki. "How are you settling in, anyway? I imagine you've already picked out a room for yourself." God knows you have enough in your house for everyone to have their own room without needing to share... thankfully. "Are you getting on with the others?"
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"The others, huh? I suppose I've been making some small talk to a few of the Servants while I've been here, but I've been..." Ciel sighs. "I've been keeping my distance from Arcueid and Satsuki. You're probably already aware of this, but... Well, the training I got from the Burial Agency isn't something easily forgotten, and a lot of it could've been called indoctrination..." Ciel frowns at her own feelings towards the two relatively innocent vampires. "I know that the two of them mean me no harm, and that Satsuki hasn't killed a single person... but... it's not something you can get over easily. I might try to make an effort to be kinder to her in the future. So long as she can keep her bloodlust as a vampire under control."

"Oh, I wouldn't worry about her bloodlust, honestly." You say with humor in your voice. "I may have... gotten her addicted to my blood." Ciel looks at you with a stunned expression, clearly unsure what to say. "It's a special trait I have to my blood that seems to make it irrestible to vampires." Yeah, and apparently just about any other being that feeds on humans, but Ciel doesn't need to know that. "That combined with my high speed regeneration means that I can safely keep Satsuki provided with enough blood that she'll never ever decide to go out hunting humans. If her thirst becomes too great, I'll look into the creation of magical items to reduce her need and lust for my own blood."

"Well, if you're really that confident that the girl will never become a threat to normal humans, I suppose that it wouldn't be too bad if I were to get to know her. I must admit I was curious as to why Arcueid had taken such an interest in her." Ciel looks satisfied now, and might actually make an effort to befriend Satsuki. That would be quite interesting to see, actually, it's nice to think of everybody getting along. "As for Arcueid herself... Well, I guess I'll have to see about her." Unfortunately, looks like that ingrained dislike of the True Ancestor is still very much present in Ciel. Well, she'll have no choice but to learn to like Arcueid, because the two of them are going to be spending a lot of time together from this point onward. "I suppose it wouldn't hurt to try to form a few bonds with everyone. The Burial Agency as a group... well, they were all very cold to one another. There was very little camaraderie in the group... You either proved your worth by completing what were effectively suicide missions, or a new space in the Burial Agency opened up as a result of your failure." Wow, sounds like an absolutely terrible group for anybody to want to be a part of.
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"Well, you don't have to worry about that sort of thing with me. I care deeply about everyone who is assisting me." This is something that will never change. If somebody is willing to put their life on the line for you, then it's really only fair if you repay them the same kindness. A leader who leads from the front is one whom inspires the most confidence from his subordinates. You aren't about to cower behind your allies no matter how powerful they might be, or how powerful your enemies might end up being. You are he who controls Truth, and you will not allow yourself to cower away from anything. "I'm really glad that you decided to turn your back on the Church for me, I can't properly put that into words."

"It's fine, really. Besides, I wasn't all that religious anyway." Ciel shrugs, to her, the Church was really only ever a means to an end, and that end was destroying Roa. With Roa dead, and a new opening providing her a chance at a better life, she'd obviously end up picking the the latter.

"Well, now that's out of the way, onto business... Can I ask you to have Karna provide overwatch on anybody who leaves the house in the future? I was attacked again during the daytime, and I want him to keep an eye on things so that such things are less likely to be able to occur." Seriously, you just want to keep your promise to Medea and Sakura, and constantly running into enemy Servants is making that much more difficult than it has to be.

"Of course, that won't be a problem. It's not like he's got much of a hobby." Ciel sighs. "Honestly, I've been trying to get him to open up a little bit, but he's... Well, he acts cold and unfeeling to other people, yet I know that he's a good person at heart. Though whenever I try to get him to speak with somebody, he just goes through the motions, not truly connecting with them." Ciel sounds like she's reached her wits end when it comes to dealing with Karna. Of course, Karna as a Servant is immensely powerful, and an excellent combatant, but... outside of combat? He's something of a failed person. His personality has caused him to become the sort of person who is easy for others to hate, despite not holding any resentment himself.

>"I could try granting him a concept at some point? Not today, but... It should work."
>"How about trying to encourage his competitive spirit? We could organize an Archery competition for the Archer Servants!"
>"Why don't you try to do something like teach him how to cook? Life skills might be good for him."
>"You should just keep getting him to interact with more people, eventually he'll click with somebody."
>Write-in...
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>>4812133
>"Why don't you try to do something like teach him how to cook? Life skills might be good for him."
>"I could try granting him a concept at some point? Not today, but... It should work."
I think it’d be interesting to see Karna cook. Anyways, what kind of concept would we give Karna anyways?
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Damn it Ciel, you've killed the players.
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>>4812133
>"Why don't you try to do something like teach him how to cook? Life skills might be good for him."
>"I could try granting him a concept at some point? Not today, but... It should work."
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>>4812162
>everyone is dead
Femme fatale.
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>>4812162
Chill QM some of us got stuff to do

>>4812133
>>"I could try granting him a concept at some point? Not today, but... It should work."
>>"How about trying to encourage his competitive spirit? We could organize an Archery competition for the Archer Servants!"
Competitions between heroes are always dick measuring contests so we should definitely do this. Also wasn’t Karna being kinda friendly with Tamamo?
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>>4812133
Calling in 30.
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>>4812133
>>"I could try granting him a concept at some point? Not today, but... It should work."
>>"How about trying to encourage his competitive spirit? We could organize an Archery competition for the Archer Servants!"
>>"Why don't you try to do something like teach him how to cook? Life skills might be good for him."
>>"You should just keep getting him to interact with more people, eventually he'll click with somebody
Why not all?
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>>4812133
Concept should probably be discussed with him present.

>"Why don't you try to do something like teach him how to cook? Life skills might be good for him."
>"You should just keep getting him to interact with more people, eventually he'll click with somebody."

Gotta prepare some curry if we’re going through with the feast idea.

Did Karna meet Vritra yet? What would their interaction be anyway, they have a link in Indra no?
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>>4812162
Ciel did literally nothing wrong. Please don’t bully the cute executor. Executrix.
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>>4812184
Support
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>>4812162
Tired, gonna take a nap, sorry QM.
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>>4812169
>>4812133
>>4812184
Switching
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>>4812133
>>4812184
Support.
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>>4812133
>>4812184
+1
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>>4812184
>>4812133
+1
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Screw it calling now.
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"Well, if you're that worried about him, I could try to see about applying a concept to him, I'm not entirely certain if you're aware of the full extent of my abilities, but I have the ability to bestow concepts onto people, granting them either increased strength, or something that they previously lacked... You've met Vritra, right?"

"The... tall woman, with the tail? In passing. Karna seemed to be kind of worried about me interacting with her and actually shied away from her himself. Which was kind of odd." Huh, is Karna afraid of Vritra? It seems pretty bizarre to think of Karna being afraid of anybody, but... well, you suppose that it would be quite worrying, even for somebody like Karna, to have an empowered Vritra around, especially if he doesn't know the changes that she's undergone. Though he was probably more worried for the sake of everyone else than he was about his own safety. After all, it is still Karna. Him having any sort of self-doubt about his abilities is pretty unrealistic. The two of them might actually be able to get along, based on the fact that Indra screwed both of them over, but while Karna bears no grudge against Indra, Vritra very much does... In fact, now that she actually has a proper capacity for emotions, you can only expect that grudge to strengthen. You'll have to properly make sure that Vritra and Karna are getting along with each other, and that Karna knows that Vritra as she exists now is a different existence to the monster that she was before. She's a true supporter of humanity now,

"Yes, that woman, before she was incapable of feeling emotions, before I granted her a new concept that allowed her to complete her being, she was... well you could call her incomplete. She sought to fill the emotional hole in her existence through watching the suffering of others as they attempted to overcome obstacles, in addition to... well, basic hedonism." You're happy that you could help Vritra so much. "But now that I used my abilities on her, she's a much happier person, I think." She even promised not to eat people! Kind of. "I've also done other things, like granted Mordred the power to manipulate time, or like how I granted a Goddess of the Underworld the concept of rejuvenation, which has granted her the ability to perfectly resurrect people from souls!"
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"I see... that's... a terrifying ability, actually. To grant such things to people like that. Are you aware what the Church or the Mage's Association would do to you if they found out that a human had such an ability? To grant people such power?" Ciel sounds deeply concerned for you, and you're glad for her concern, but you are very much aware what the magi of this world would do if they knew even a fraction of what you were capable of doing, and the Church aren't that much different, honestly. They are only interested in the material world, and while that might stop them from interfering with an attempt to reach the Root, the power that you wield is something that could be tremendously useful for both reaching the Root, or controlling the world itself. Of course, you're not worried about either.

"I know, Ciel. But with the amount of power surrounding me now, I highly doubt even the entire Burial Agency working together would be capable of defeating me." It's a boast, but a boast with a basis in reality. With the amount of immensely powerful Servants that would be willing to fight for you, the Church would truly struggle against you even if they pulled out all the stops and entirely mobilized everything they had.

"I hope you're right..." Ciel doesn't sound as convinced, but you think that she's just worried. She has good reason to worry, she of all people knows the power of the Burial Agency.

"Anyway, back onto Karna, why don't you do something like organize an archery competition among his fellow Archers? His competitive spirit might shine through and he might develop a few relationships with his peers through a friendly rivalry! Or maybe you could try teaching him how to cook? I can't imagine that he has many life skills, and it might help him to learn how to do mundane tasks." You give Ciel a few suggestions as to what to do to help Karna out. "Of course, the best advice that I can give you is to just keep getting him to interact with other people. The more people he interacts with, the higher that his chances of actually making a friend are... Though if I had to suggest somebody, I'd say that he might end up getting on fairly well with Shirou..." Well, there's no doubt that Shirou would get along with Ciel's white haired Archer class Servant than he gets along with Rin's white haired Archer class Servant.

"Shirou...? The boy who's always around that Saber with the blue dress?" Ciel has obviously seen Shirou about, but seriously? Are Shirou and Arturia just attached at the hip now?

"That's the one." You shrug. "Anyway, Ciel, it was nice talking to you, but I've still got a busy day ahead of me, so would you mind if I just talked to you more later about Karna? I'll think about a concept to apply to him that might work to help him out in the meantime."
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"Alright, thanks for the advice with Karna, I'll bring those suggestions up to him." Well, he's the sort of person who wouldn't reject the suggestions from Ciel even if he personally hated them, but... well you decide not to say that. Wouldn't want to take the wind out of the sails of the blue haired girl.

You part ways with Ciel, and you start to think on just what you ought to do next...

>Go find Rin, you need to ask her about getting Archer on lookout duty as well.
>Go find Sakura, start talking to her about preparing a grand feast.
>Go find the kids, take them out on a trip to see the Argo, you need to make sure Jason isn't doing something stupid.
>Make a few phonecalls and have a few of your employees bring a stores worth of clothing to your house.
>Write-in...
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>>4812270
Go find the kids, take them out on a trip to see the Argo, you need to make sure Jason isn't doing something stupid.
>Make a few phonecalls and have a few of your employees bring a stores worth of clothing to your house
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>>4812270
>>Make a few phonecalls and have a few of your employees bring a stores worth of clothing to your house.
>>Go find Rin, you need to ask her about getting Archer on lookout duty as well.
>>Go find Sakura, start talking to her about preparing a grand feast.
>>Go find the kids, take them out on a trip to see the Argo, you need to make sure Jason isn't doing something stupid.
In that order
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>>4812270
>>4812280
+1
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>>4812267
>"Shirou...? The boy who's always around that Saber with the blue dress?" Ciel has obviously seen Shirou about, but seriously? Are Shirou and Arturia just attached at the hip now?
Based and cute

>Are you aware what the Church or the Mage's Association would do to you if they found out that a human had such an ability? To grant people such power?
Kinda forgot that we didn't tell anyone what we plan to do with those two places
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>>4812270
>>4812280
+1
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>>4812270
>>4812280
Support
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>>4812270
>>4812280
Support
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>>4812040
events might not show up at all. Retconned back out of existence
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>>4812270
>>4812280
Support
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Mana Burst cooking here we go
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Did the wall of text preplanning just delete everyone's capacity for conversation today or is it so concise people aren't worried about changing it? This is the least amount of posts in the thread I've woken up to in ever despite 3 thicc updates.

And not to jinx it, but no shitflinging either, what happened?
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We need to talk with Nobu. We haven't interacted with her at all since we met her. Maybe introduce her to Mordred too as they will both probably rule a country.
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>>4812363
its kind of annoying to change the plan for the 3rd fucking time
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No updates for some time.
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>>4812380
we broke QM again, i fucking knew he liked us arguing with each other, where's Sakurautist, everyone usually likes bullying him
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>>4812363
Dunno, I've been away.

>>4812367
It was necessary, and the changes were minor.

>>4812388
I don't.
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>>4812366
Nobu is one of the Archers, idk if WhatIs mentally included that in the most recent blogpost write-in + the discussion we had about her yesterday

Ideally, we bring her as overwatch when we go out with the girls so she can see the city.
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>>4812270
Supporting >>4812280
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>>4812363
People are just probably burned out by the SOL there's no planning to do either since we didn't go after monika. Also no one's arguing with sakurautist which is most of the posts in this thread.
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>>4812363
>>4812402
>Dunno, I've been away.
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>>4812270
changing >>4812360

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>>Make a few phonecalls and have a few of your employees bring a stores worth of clothing to your house.
>>Go find Rin, you need to ask her about getting Archer on lookout duty as well.
>>Go find Sakura, start talking to her about preparing a grand feast.
>>Go find Nobu, ask if she'd like to come see the city, and have a look at modern day shipping tech (Nobu has always been a big new-tech fan)
>>Go find the kids, take them out on a trip to see the Argo, you need to make sure Jason isn't doing something stupid.
In that order
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>>4812270
Changing from>>4812296 to>>4812416
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If DUDE got erect from watching modern military tech on tv I imagine Nobu would too.

Didn't Shinji's support of the yakuza leave the Fujimura clan on par with the JSDF or something from way back in the timeskips?

We could probably set Raiga and Nobu up for a meeting, he's aware of magic already. Nobu is best as a commander, and we have a ready made force already. Yakuza are basically samurai who refused to put down the blade, I imagine Raiga might find the opportunity to be a direct retainer of Nobu pretty neat.
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>>4812270

Supporting addition of Nobu, so she gets a chance to make appearance >>4812416

Also I can tell I’m gonna regret asking but what are those things supposed to be?
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>>4812433
Post it on /a/ and ask
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>>4812427
Raiga and Nobu would get along well, yes. JSDF without the military hardware iirc. And Nobu is Rin Prime's servant, we can ask her about both her archers.
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>>4812435
I kinda wanna push the shared homeland thing with Nobu as that was a big part of how we initially sold ourselves. She has no idea we full intend to support her reclamation of Japan.

Speaking of, Reclamation might be good for Karna, or even Castor.

Something for someone who has lost a lot in life.
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>>4812442
No, I agree about Nobu, I just think we should ask Rin about her and where she is instead of going looking for her.
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>>4812270
changing again from
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>>Make a few phonecalls and have a few of your employees bring a stores worth of clothing to your house.
>>Go find Rin, you need to ask her about getting Archers on lookout duty as well.
>>When chatting with Nobu, ask if she'd like to come see the city, and have a look at modern day shipping tech (Nobu has always been a big new-tech fan)
>>Go find Sakura, start talking to her about preparing a grand feast with help from whoever wants to assist, as you'll be inviting everyone under the one roof tonight for safety.
>>Go find the kids, take them out on a trip to see the Argo, you need to make sure Jason isn't doing something stupid.

In that order
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Also, I imagine we should tamaphone to request some support to get waver and co to Shinji's place safely, or should we detour on the way home to come pick them up and have them come back with us?

They should probably make the journey over before the sun sets to reduce their odds of being shanked. And a body guard or two couldn't hurt as they're without servants. Gray probably doesn't have a phone, otherwise Waver would have met back up with her. I wonder if Merlin has any idea how to message APEX, or if Morgan, with her links to Gray can send something she'd understand.

Monke's master has a phone that we have the number for, right?

I hope we get a knock on the door from Alan in the middle of dinner

That'd be finny. I'm not against offering him a seat along with Aife. Basic hospitality doesn't mean we're outright bargaining
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>>4812456
We'll ask Medea to teleport them.
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>>4812456
>Morgan, with her links to Gray can send something she'd understand.
She probably can, or if nothing else maybe a backdoor into Add, or one of the Cursecraft Casters can follow their karmic bond to find Gray?
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>>4812492
She'd also be a pretty prominent light on the map.

I notice we're also giving Medea reigns over Chiyome of late, which is fine I guess.

Actually, we have Alan's number, so I guess we could always send him a text about dinner while we walk home?
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>>4812270
>>4812451
Support
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>>4812500
I don't think it's prudent to invite the Crawling Chaos. And we told Scathach we needed her help to save her sister from him, I don't imagine they'll be on friendly terms.
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>>4812343
Ah crap forgot I’d already posted. Anyways, switching. >>4812507 (not to myself of course, this is just to prevent confusion I suppose....you get the point [I hope])
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>>4812508
Well we shouldn't even be on friendly terms with Alan, it's in his nature to use and screw over humans, he’s our enemy, we're just unlikely allies for now
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>>4812513
So what do if he shows up asking where was my invite?
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>>4812513
He's been nothing but friendly so far, and he did give us our witch wife back. We also saw his thought process during the carnival. He wants to understand why a being of an order higher than him wants so much to play human. Saying he's our enemy is a bit too much at the moment, but we definitely shouldn't get too close.

>>4812515
We apologize, we thought he wouldn't be interested and we invite him in?
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Look how they massacred my boy.
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>>4812519
What the FUCK am I looking at here?
Is that... Agravain?
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>>4812525
I'm sure it's Cursed Arm Hassan without the mask.
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>>4812525
Buy the merch goyim
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>>4812526
Cursed Arm doesn't have a face
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Gantz Mystic Code
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>>4812529
It was a joke...
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>>4812526
He's wearing armor, its from the camelot movie.
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>>4812532
Demon pillars are better animated than Tiamat kek
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Ha, that one anon thought they were trying to trim Character bloat when I posted the movie poster earlier
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>>4812542
Disgusting
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>>4812518
>He's been nothing but friendly so far, and he did give us our witch wife back.
Yeah no shit, you're not gonna make a deal with the devil if he's a fucking asshole
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Looking at other fundamental concepts after last night's autism.

Creation, Destruction - whomst?
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>>4812542
hell
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>>4812551
Yeah, I'm definitely against making any deals with him. But we should try not to push him into open hostilities either.

>>4812553
That's tough, no one comes to mind.
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>Mo-san got so angry and mad she gathered a bunch of mana into her body and basically got mana overload that blew herself up

Camelot movie redeemed as a comedy
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>>4812553
Creation: Betty, though it's probably leaning too close to Azathoth's authority. Very tenuous connection to Tamamo for her item creation, same for Medea, Para and Morgan. Touko maybe?
Destruction: Nothing comes to mind still.
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>>4812594
Destruction might be a good trump card Item Con weapon for Shinji himself.

Or even for a defensive armament to invert expectations
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Oh and suggesting Karna take up boxing might help him be less autistic.

He has actual expressions
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>>4812597
Destruction armor sounds suicidal.

But yes, as it can't fit anyone, a weapon infused with Destruction would be pretty destructive

>>4812601
So an unarmed combat tournament in addition to the archery contest?
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>>4812602
Offer Pollux as an opponent
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>>4812605
That wouldn't really be much of a tournament.
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>>4812609
You worry about revealing things to normies and then you want a punchtourney arc. A one off fight might help crack the shell, other stuff later
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>>4812609
Karna and Alcides have some pretty fucking good unarmed skills
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>>4812614
Lugh would enjoy it I reckon
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>>4812612
I didn't say we should hold the tournament tomorrow.
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Update when?
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>>4812363
Was doing other things and had to leave to the jungle to buy food.
>>4812451
>>4812270
+1
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>>4812451
>>4812270
+1
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OK no longer busy what won?
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>>4812280
>>4812797
this but this other vote also adds talking to Nobu
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>>4812765
Life in monkeland must be tough, Brazilfren

>>4812801
Technically Nobu is also Rin's Archer but just wanted to include her on the outing because it's passive bond grinding
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>>4812824
We should've at least said hi to Nero, she just knows us as the guy who gave her Salvation then passed out after dancing with her
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Ask fox wife to enchant one of our suits for battle. It wouldn't even take very long.
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>>4812886
people rejected my initial attempts to do so
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>>4812893
ripped clothes are kino, wasting expensive clothes is funny
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>>4812894
I'll vote for it if you put it up to vote next time
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>>4812893
>>4812898
Yk how Bazett puts Runes in her clothing to amplify her powers? Why don't we do that
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>>4812898
We just wouldn't be a /qst/ protagonist if we didn't ruin an expensive suit everytime we fight someone.
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>>4812894
I don't remember that, so I'd vote for it.
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>>4812910
It's a mystery. Same as why we weren't using a Truth spear when we are good at bajiquan.
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>>4812910
Tattoos too? Item Construction shilling goes here too
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I reckon with Item Con you could make a large batch of ink or dye with the concept of Permanency, then use it to inscribe all manner of geas, runes, contracts etc to make them last forever
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Gonna be honest, i think it's extremely autistic that we wear suits most of the time, have any of you actually worn a suit? They're extremely fucking uncomfortable, and we're fighting in suits
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>>4812919
If we want magic tattoos, its not norse runes we should be looking at, but Scathach knows ogham runes and probably magic woad stuff, otherwise Gilgamesh and Ishtar have those weird red tattoos that come out when they flex their power.
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>>4812926
They are restrictive, but they're actually pretty comfy and you get used to them when you wear them enough. Especially if they're high end material. I almost wanna chalk it up to smug, but they are retarded for combat though, that I'll agree. Also takes way longer to get ready to leave than when you're just putting on a shirt and pants.

Also, if we were trying not to stand out they don't help
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>>4812926
You're not wearing a suit today, actually.
Also, you do have custom tailored suits to be comfortable and easier to move in anyway.
You're a billionaire, after all.
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>>4812927
A lot of nasuverse tattoos are indicative of Divine blood, Gil, Herc/Alcides, Cu etc.
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>>4812939
There is also Siegfried's dragon based glowing tattoos. Only Sigurd has Odin blood so it's not related to that.
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>>4812935
Yeah that's why I said most of the time, I remember reading that we're wearing plain clothing right now. Though I think it's funny that we're wearing comfortable fitting suits but didn't have the foresight to make them bullet proof or place runes in them
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Funny fact about Gilgamesh is that he should have the ability to use the Unified Language if he feels like it.
Meaning all of his jobbing is absolutely inexcusable because he can literally just tell his enemies to kill themselves.
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>Make batch of "permeance" ink
>Make batch of "submission" or "control" ink
>blend in pot with concept of Polymerisation to bypass single concept meme

>brand commands into things

git gud manaka
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>>4812951
Everyone pre tower of babel should be able to, you'd think?
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>>4812951
There's probably some willpower check with it, though power scaling is so fucking weird in Nasuverse. Lancer Karna is stated to be Gilgamesh's equal
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>>4812956
You'd think, wouldn't you?
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>>4812959
>he thinks
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>>4812958
>willpower check
>"a human rejecting the words of the Unified Language would be the same as rejecting their own existence. "
You need to be connected to the Root just to be able to resist the effects.
As for Lancer Karna being Gil's equal, I don't really see any Servant with divinity as high as Karna's ever beating Gil.
Enkidu gg.
Karna has a shot at winning with Vasavi Shakti, but that's about it.
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>>4812958
Actually it seems there is no check. The only weakness is that commands don't seem to last forever and wear off, but if you are present you're kind of fucked. It speaks directly to the soul and the origin/Root part or some shit.

You can't resist it, because it would be like denying our own soul/record/origin.

If I recall and understand it correctly based on what little we know.

I vaguely recall it can also do memory shit, but I don't remember a citation or source for that.
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>>4812964
Oh, and Dust of Osiris can also use them, so why her pre-fight Dialogue isn't.
>"Kill yourself and become a philosopher's stone kthx."
Is an unknown.
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Now I wonder if we could do some kind of Truth Speech ourself along with trying to do rune/writing shit with it.
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>>4812964
>Enkidu gg.
Right? But Extella states that a fight between them would be a coin toss
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>>4812974
It's a coin toss if Gilgamesh doesn't take Karna seriously from the start, which he totally would.
So honestly, who really knows what sort of drugs are being taken in the writing offices these days.
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Update when? >>4812547
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>>4812979
Gil would never find himself in a situation where he doesn't take Karna seriously which makes the statement even more absurd
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>>4812979
If Gil ever took someone 100% seriously he would just SNI them and instant perfect counter them.
Does he even do full SNI against Enkidu who he fight seriously?
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>>4812986
SNI is his cheat code actual true ultimate NP, and I don't think he wanted to use that to cheapshot his best friend.
They just wanted to unga each other.
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>>4812991
Like, I imagine that if Gilgamesh used SNI against Enkidu it would've resulted in him just grabbing some form of materialized Death Curse from the GoB and using it against Enkidu for the easy win.
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Isn't SNI just PtV?
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>>4813000
Pretty much.
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>>4812991
Well, he could also just take out his FTL spaceship and strafe someone from the stratosphere or something. If he didn't have jobbing and pride inbuilt into his base personality, he'd be actually completely invincible, as he has absolutely retarded stuff in there.
Just grab the Original Grail from his vault, incarnate himself in full power and go to town.
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>>4813001
Path to Victory + the ability to observe parallel worlds.
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>>4813000
The ability to view adjacent worlds, past present and future at will, peer into the thoughts of others (seen when he talks about stuff Shirou only thought about and noticed but didn't voice), AND also a walktrough on "how do you arrive at the result you want".

Some stuff can seemingly confuse it, like the Grail mud+Hollow Ataraxia singularity fuckup combo seems to?
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>>4813002
Doesn't he just have the prototype of the Grail? The one that isn't filled with the blood of Christ?

>>4813005
I kinda forget how bullshit a servant Gil is
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>>4813002
Because of the way GoB and Christianity works too, with Jesus being 100% man and 100% Divine simultaneously, all Saints being Man attribute and GoB being a conceptual collection of all things made by mankind even retroactively, he technically should have the complete set of the Lance, Cup, Shroud, Crown, Cross, Nails and even niche things from Saints like James' scallop shells, the Shield of St. Joseph, Martha's staff etc.

Probably doesn't have Moses' Leviathan staff though, as that was given by God directly and was also rescinded. And he explicitly doesn't have Divine constructs like VS, Excalibur etc.
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>>4813010
He probably has a prototype "grail" in the sense of "wishgranting device". The Church seems to have recorded 276 instances of wishgranting "grails" being extant.

Enkidu in GO also says he could just turn himself into a Grail if he wanted to fulfil that function, probably without turning into a cup or vegetable like Einzberns do, so he's also something.

>>4813017
It's said that he has everything that's not a "Divine Construct", where Divine Construct is distinct from a weapon with or from divinity. Has some weirdly specific wording of being made from human wishes but not tainted human ideation?

Photon Ray, Excalibur, Avalon, stuff like that, while Ig-Alima and co are something he has.
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>>4813017
I can't see the Jesus Related artifact prototypes that Gil has in the vault being anywhere near as powerful as the actual artifacts.
Sometimes Gil's prototypes are way shittier than the real thing.
Look at his Gram vs Sigurd's Gram.
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>>4813017
He would only have the prototype of those things, Gil has Gae Bolg in stock but it doesn't have the curse, he has Gram but before it was reforged. He likely has those Christian weapon sets but they aren't dyed with the blood of Christ
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>>4813017
Since the "Has the prototype of all NPs" and "Has everything sourced of human wisdom" are two separate things that combo in his vault, so if either is true it works, doesn't have to be true for both clauses.
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>>4813022
Honestly I feel like Sigurd was kinda shafted, Gram is supposed to be Excalibur's demonic counterpart but the Sword and its user feels lacking compared to Artoria
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>>4813028
Isn't Gram supposed to be Caliburn's equal, not Excalibur's?
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>>4813028
He also has Wisdom that he can just pass around as a set of glasses. Use of Runes etc. I find it odd he used runes of Death directly on Sherlock and he was just fine, albeit a bit worse for wear.

But that's probably Sherlock just being sus and not having a concept of death or something

>>4813030
It's the prototype "sword in the thing" blade, probably closer to Caliburn. But in myth Caliburn and Excalibur are interchangeable most of the time so idklol
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>>4813030
No it's Excalibur's counterpart, Gram is called the strongest demonic sword and a dragonslayer sword
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>>4813030
It's Caliburn's origin, but Excalibur's equal as the "Strongest Demonic Sword" to the "Strongest Holy Sword."
Gram gets shafted with a default A rank Anti-Unit but Balmung gets EX Anti-Army.
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>>4813036
That's. . . something.

>>4813033
Maybe Independent Manifestation stuff? He travels between singulos and that protects against Instant Death. Though I do remember him being pretty fucked, but I may be blotting it out of my mind.
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>>4813033
Wait sorry, in Fate Nasu gave Merodach that title to wank Gil being older.

As a sword, Merodach never even existed, it's just another name for Marduk who slew plenty of dragons including Tiamum. But he used a wind based weapon called Imhullu so again, idklol. Nasuisms
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>>4813046
Don't forget that Gram is Balmung's origin, so somehow... Gil's prototype of Gram is just way fucking worse than what Gram turns into.
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>>4813046
He was pretty fucked, but as a non combatant he got his arm torn off and he was struck by Sigurd going full force.

Also, for whatever reason Sigurd saw him as a threat, or maybe even Surtr did, and made sure to cripple him. Sigurd specifically said in dialogue that runecurse was meant to kill him and it couldn't be healed though.
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>Imhullu is a divine wind weapon used by the sky god Marduk to savage the water goddess Tiamat in the Mesopotamian story of creation Enuma Elish.

Maybe this is what Ea is actually based on, and Nasu being unable to English mixed things up in his wikipedia research?
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>>4813051
Wasn't there a thing where Gae Bolg is somehow better than Gungnir at killing shit or being a weapon, but Merodach RIPs Caliburn easily?

>>4813056
Gil says that Ea itself has no real name, he just named it after Ea because he felt like it. So, who knows.
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>>4813061
I feel Gae Bolg>Gungnir is just early Fate wanking of characters to make feats sound impressive. Most people know of Odin/Gungnir, pre Fate Cu wasn't all that well known outside of Ireland
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>>4813061
Gae Bolg has that curse that makes it stronger and Gungnir is Gae Bolg's prototype
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>>4813061
I can only imagine that Archer was mistaken and was referring to the false copy of Gungnir as wielded by Valkyrie which he may have come across.
Not Odin's actual spear.
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>>4813066
Gae Bolg is pseudo-Authority level or something. With the statement that if the Explosion+Reverse Causality could be combined or you could just do every stab as reverse causality, that's basically how Lugh fights. Irish spear got wanked.
CM2

"Takeuchi: Would Archer be hit?
Nasu: He'd absolutely be hit.
It was because he was aware of that that he didn't approach.
If before his eyes, Lancer came into an inclination to take things seriously and assumed the stance as to [deploy] the Gae Bolg, he would already be frantically on the withdraw.
Takeuchi: I see.
That sort of strategy exists as well, huh?
What about the thrown [version]?
Nasu: Well, the Striking Spear of Death Flight is purely destructive power.
Takeuchi: As expected, because, if on top of [being launched at] long range, the Concept of piercing the heart could be appended ...
Nasu: If it got to that point, it would become the capability of Lancer's father's muscles. It [would be as] a higher-order version of Fragarach."

With Extra mats saying

"Though it's a Noble Phantasm a step short of an Authority, this is likewise merely a matter of course, as Cu Chulainn — the wielder of this spear — is a child of a God."
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>>4813066
>>4813070
I feel like you’re downplaying Cu, he’s supposed to be one of the best servants and one of Ireland's most well known figure
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>>4813085
Yes, but Odin is a Chief God of a Pantheon.
We saw exactly how well one of the best Servants and Greece's most well known heroic figure did against Goddess Artemis.
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>>4813085
One of the best servants pre power creep.
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>>4813096
Really doesn't help Cu that Scathach combat-wise is straight up Cu but better in all regards.
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>>4813096
Honestly, I think he's still the best because he's got scaling shit from CasterCu and relatively easily beating up Scathach in Extella Link when serious. He's stupid busted still.
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>>4813102
>CasterCu
Isn't that Odin?
>relatively easily beating up Scathach in Extella Link when serious. He's stupid busted still.
That's stupid retarded.
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>>4813096
Apparently he's still viewed as a "Top Servant", Nasu still refuses to show what his Ireland buffs are though
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>>4813101
It's really annoying that every mentor figure HS is utterly busted through transitive property.
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>>4813116
Chiron isn't, Herc and Achilles are stronger
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>>4813109
The best theory is that it's Odin hiding in Cu's Saint Graph due to syncretism memes imo. If its actual Odin he's jobbing like crazy, and would maybe(?) be recognized by all these clairvoyance fuckers and gigabrains.
He 100% has some weirdness along with Angra and Singularity F in general, but what it is not for certain known.

His art has bits drawn differently than every other Cu, he has a lot more Odin imagery with ravens and wolves, he has retarded rune stuff even for Scathach's student etc and I think some lines regarding him are weird.
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>>4813123
I'm just peeved that their idea for Scathach was an immortal lady with infinite better gae bolgs.
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>>4813127
For example, Setanta Lily (or whatever hes called) has this line

"(In other words, a situation where the materialized hero Cú Chulainn does not possess either this Skill or the Noble Phantasm Gáe Bolg should be essentially impossible.)"

And Caster Cu doesn't have either Gae Bolg or Shadow Locale Arms Mastery so its extra suspicious.

His sword is busted as fuck as Setanta too.
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>>4813129
I don't think Scathach's Gae Bolg has the causality reversal, since its a technique Cu made? She has a space-sewing Gae Bolg and a killing Gae Bolg.
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>>4813088
Yeah but it's the actual weapon, Excalibur is the greatest sword but it's wielded by a normie king
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>>4813151
>King Arthur
>Normie King
Not really.

>Excalibur
>Greatest Sword
Also not really.
That title belongs to Gil's fidget spinner.
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>>4813151
>King Arthur is a normie king
what are you actually saying? The most famous king of brittain is a "normie king"? Explain what that even means.

>>4813156
I'll be honest, Ea is a literal what in comparison to Excalibur. I'd literally never heard of gilgamesh outside of final fantasy and fate.
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>>4813151
Artoria is a magically created clone of Merlin's waifu.
>>4813163
Ea is a representation of primordial chaos and is a progenitor to the concept of weapons.
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>>4813151
Excalibur is a sword of amplification, doesn't have an innate effect to render as a beam, but it does give agelessness(+immortality? its unclear) and the ability to perform "divine level thaumaturgy" (which is never shown but stated in both GO and Zero mats?).
Put in big dick dragon energy and its super broken beam. Put in normie human energy and its not that great beam.

Also may be implied to have its own will in Garden of Avalon? Its also unclear.
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>>4813173
Do you mean progenitor as in "before weapons as a concept existed"? Because otherwise I don't think its a weapon at all, its some kind of nation-building authority thing again that Gil uses to unga you to death.
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>>4813179
It's a wand that brings about the hellscape before life that all living beings hold in their memory.
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>>4813191
It can also be used to Unga Bunga three entire galaxies at Kiara in CCC.
I used to think those were just like funny graphics, but with current wank, I wouldn't be surprised.
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>>4813191
Yeah, that's what the Nation-building Authority stuff refers to, because Nasu. Like how the Amenonuhoku can be used to churn shit back into primordial chaos while it originally fished Japan out of the waters/chaos.

Potnia Theron also counts, and all these world creating/reducing things.
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So, as I expected, gilgamesh is some wanker that gets his chubby sucked whenever he asks. The more I hear about what he does, the more convinced I am that he's someone's shitty self insert
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Wait are we getting an update?
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>>4813215
Aieeeee
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>>4813216
It's late for u QM, just needed to ask
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I wonder...
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>>4813233
Late night update?
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Well first things first, what you're going to need to do to avoid everyone being at risk is to make a few phonecalls, just to a few... well, to put it in the kindest possible way, it's to a few lackeys who you can barely even remember the names of, but that suits both you and them just fine. While today you're having them take care of something completely legal for you, it's not always the case. It's better for the both of you that they go by aliases. Sure, you may have seen their real names at some point when you actually got them on your payroll to start with, but... well, you can hardly be expected to remember their names, can you?

The phonecalls are brief, but the general message is that you'll be wiring them enough money to bring at least the contents of two full clothing stores to your house, as well as enough money to hire transit too. Being rich is great, you have to admit. While you could've spent the time you spent getting all this money to your name on growing more powerful with your magecraft or training other skills, you don't regret becoming financial powerful. After all, you can hardly expect to be able to care for the people you want to be happy if you don't have the resources to do so, and while there are plenty of ways you could've made a great fortune, it was honestly that much simpler to just abuse your knowledge of how humanity should develop from a world that exists beyond this one than it would've been to cheat the world through magecraft. Even if you could feasibly just have Shirou create a limitless amount of crash the market with. His ability to trace is completely ridiculous when it comes to mundane items. Almost as if he can simply create matter from nothing with no true regard for the laws of physics. Well, you suppose that's probably why Reality Marbles are existences called close to True Magic, considering that Unlimited Blade Works has the capability to turn Shirou into a walking financial disaster.

With the phonecalls out of the way, you quickly set off to try to find Rin. You want to get her to get her two Archers on lookout duty too, maybe give Karna some friends to keep watch with. At least that way the man might be able to make some friends. Though you honestly have no idea what Nobunaga might end up thinking about him. Well, she'll likely respect his loyalty as a soldier before anything else. You get the feeling that after being backstabbed and killed through betrayal, Nobunaga will likely have a newfound approval of loyalty. Well, she does have a dislike for the divine, so she'll probably just spend most of her time trying to get Karna to hate the Gods after what they did to him.
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It doesn't take long for you to find Rin, you check her room, and find that she's inside it, tinkering away on the Kaleidosword, as usual. It's in the utility form, and her ears twitch a little as you walk into the room. You have no idea what to make of those cat-ears and that cat tail. Ostensibly, they look as if they are simple worn cat-ears, but during your brief time as the female Kaleido Amethyst, you can almost remember them actually serving some purpose, and feeling like extensions of your body, at least somewhat. It's probably not really worth putting too much thought into it.

"What do you need, Shinji?" Rin doesn't look up from her... well from what you could only assume to be her calibrations on the Kaleidosword. She looks like she's not really all that shaken about her encounter with her parallel selves anymore, she must've managed to get over the meetings, or she's just burying her true feelings, which is quite a bit more likely.

"Not much, actually. I was attacked by an enemy Servant when I went into town, so I'm wondering if I can ask you to have Nobunaga and Archer keep their eye on anybody who goes into town from now on. They're both Archers, after all." You pause for a moment before something comes to mind. "Rin... How exactly are you keeping two Servants supported at once?" You hadn't really thought of it before, but something like that should be impossible for Rin without relying on the Kaleidosword.

"I was wondering when you were going to ask that, actually." Rin sounds smug. "I've managed to establish something like a... passive link to the Kaleidosword, even when I'm not using it. My magical energy is more rapidly recovered from drawing in from the ambient energy of multiple worlds at once. While it's nowhere near as quick and effective as it would be if I were to directly use the Kaleidosword, but it does mean that I don't have to worry about Nobunaga or Archer disappearing from a lack of magical energy." Rin sounds especially pleased with herself, and you're glad that she's still making progress with the Kaleidosword. Honestly, the damn thing is so horribly busted, Rin could probably use it to go toe-to-toe with the majority of the Clocktower and potentially win, even when she's as inexperienced as she is with it.

"I see... Well, I'm happy that you're progressing your skills so well." You truly are happy for Rin, that your presence has seemingly inspired her to reach greater heights than she might've ever reached in her natural life. Who knew that all she needed was a rival who she considered a better from a young age? "Now, about the Archers...?"

"Oh don't worry, I'll have the two of them remain on watch. Nobunaga will definitely enjoy the opportunity to pester Archer some more." Rin looks up a you. "You didn't get hurt or anything, did you?" There's just a hint of concern in her voice for you.
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"I managed to get away without a scratch." Rin looks a little bit relieved as you reveal that you weren't hurt, before her face goes back to an impassive frown.

"Good, now... would you mind if I got back to my research? I might be close to another breakthrough here!" You decide to heed Rin's words. You don't want to distract her too much when she's working with the Second, after all, a mistake with the Second True Magic could end up killing everyone through opening up some rift in reality to destroy everything.

"See you later, Rin." You say your farewell to the girl as you leave the room, and you start heading towards Sakura's room next. You can't really think of anywhere else that she might be, after all. You suppose that you could've checked the kitchens to see if she was doing any cooking, but it's unlikely. She's probably not cooking lunch yet. You wonder if she'll be happy to help cook a feast for everyone. Of course, you'll help, but there's a lot of food that needs to be prepared. It should be a good test of her abilities as a housewife though. Despite everything, Medea is very much a novice in quite a few aspects of being a housewife, whereas Sakura is practically a master.

You open up the door to Sakura's room, and notice that she's not sitting on the bed or in the room or anything, but instead, you can hear that she's taking a shower in her en suite bathroom.

>Wait for her to come out of the shower.
>Call out to her, you wouldn't want her to come out without being decent.
>Come back later, she's busy right now.
>Surprise her.
>Write-in...
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>>4813243
>you can hear that she's taking a shower in her en suite bathroom.
It's not gonna be Sakura is it?
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>>4813243
Surprise her >>4813101
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>>4813243
>Surprise her
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>>4813241
>"You didn't get hurt or anything, did you?" There's just a hint of concern in her voice for you.
The tsuntsun is washing away, 99/100 is a possibility, we’re all gonna make it bros
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>>4813243
>>Surprise her.
Either something funny happens or something based happens, I swear, it's probably Medusa or someone else
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>>4813243
>Surprise her
;)
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>>4813082
>>4813085
It's more, because Cu was an early franchise Servant they wanted ways to make him impressive, if anything, being early powerscaled the fuck out of him, as they implied feats that would later require others to kneel for nasu not to be a hypocrite. So a few one liners start started as ways for the audience to go WOW SUGOI BLUEMAN ended up being a minimum power floor for him to get absurdly high level as the franchise moved on and more stuff was introduced.
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>>4813274
forever a silverman, escept when he's a zerker
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Would Karna also know the Unified Language, given that chronologically he should be older than Gilgamesh?
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>just have Shirou create a limitless amount of crash the market with.

sneed
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ahh the COOM bait
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>>4813243
>>Surprise her.
It’s gonna be BB isn’t it?
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>>4813323
>Not only during the Mahabharata and period of lord Krishna but also in ramayanam, and some other ancient legends spoken the language called tamil

If you wanna trust quora
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>>4813341
ok now we HAVE to fucking surprise her holy fuck, Sakura is gonna fucking murder her
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>>4813323
Although, the based classism in poojeet land means maybe the upper castes had their own language of power, while the nigger cattle spoke pooineese

>One of the reasons for Sanskrit being limited to a small circle of people was the narrow outlook of pandits. They never allowed the language to reach the common people. So, India today does not have Sanskrit as its first language, like French in Francophone countries and Arabic in West Asia.
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>>4813350
Mostly based on that the Unified Language is basically "pre-Babel " stuff, but in every land or myth instead of just where Babel was a thing iirc. It wasn't special at the time, everyone spoke it. Its only super special now because nobody speaks it, so they are weak to it by not being equipped.

I want to see if we can learn Unified Language+Divine Words and try making some kind of True Speech out of Truth steroids. Maybe our soul is strong enough.
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>>4813355
Just gotta be careful of figures of speech causing really bad consequences in the realm of a kill all the japanese moment
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>>4813350
it's all shit tongue to me
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>>4813357
Unified Language has more juice and is closer to the Root and souls, but only Divine Words can do nature interference by borrowing Authorities. What kind of language would borrow Truth to do nature interference and be side by side or above the Root, potentially?

Also, Unified Language cant accidentaly mindfuck. It perfectly conveys intended meaning on Root/soul level and its impossible to misunderstand or even misrepresent it.
It was true communication, which is why new languages instead of it suck.

I imagine a "Truth" ver would be even less susceptible to powerfuckery like that, as it conveys True meaning I imagine.
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>>4813243
>call out, you want to confirm it’s her

I mean if it were Medusa it would rather not be bad, but it could be Obeithion which I’d rather not make poor impression with, or worse, Medusa’s sisters...
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>>4813363
I've always interpreted OG runes as effectively "world code" language, if you could find a way to speak that. We already have a rune base, we have Touko and Scat around too.

I wonder if we can go punch Mimir

Also, after bringing up the Christ artefact set.

It might not have His blood on it, but you could possibly recreate the ascension by performing a ritual on Shinji with them.

"Dying" for knowledge/power etc. happens through plenty of myths. Odin did it, Baldr, Izanami, Quetz etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying-and-rising_deity

We have Truth form, Blessed Circuits and God himself bought us here.

Is this worth looking into for our own version of Apotheosis?

We're already going the Saver route.
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>>4813366
It also ties into our snake/Ouroboros motif
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>>4813366
Oh and Nero's magecraft is capable of True Resurrection using Undying Magus, and there's assclap. Alcides and Gil have also travelled to the underworld for pointers, and Enkidu can always break us out + Eresh is now a thing.
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>>4813366
If we're doing it, we should probably follow Odin's method the most. He did it to himself purely, and we are also already versed in Runes and have someone with Primordial Runes here. We have the Longinus here as a stand in for Odin's spear maybe. Do we have a Tree?
Someone has to have something. We could try finding a Fusang Tree in china since they are super OP in nasuverse, with being supercomputer maybe moon cell terminals and Sun association.
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>a number of figures in ancient Greek religion, actually died as ordinary mortals, only to become gods of various stature after they were resurrected from the dead

>>4813375
If we tame every single Beast we could construct the complete Qliphoth tree and make Aylsebury look like a joke of a ritual, then hang ourselves from it.

Also, we have Cu with more divinity. We can go dive into his Saint Graph and go find the Odin remnants.

Morgan might be able to grow something, Yggdrasil seeds are a very basic material in FGO. I'm sure Gil has something in his vault, or the Fairies are aware OR it's something we can find during Hogwarts.

We could cultivate plant some seeds from the apples of Hesperides from King's Order, Mordred can use Time to accelerate grow cycles if Time is an issue.

Alethia can provide ambient mana by sleeping next to it in Dragon form as it grows to replicate a pseudo AoG environment. Maybe throw Vrita in too. She'd find a human overcoming mortality fascinating. Also, being a being of Eternity we could maybe water it with a bit of her blood?
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>>4813372
A full, most optimal version prob would have us actually die, travel from the underworld to the Inner Sea of the Planet for wisdom instead of just getting smoothied, then to the Sea of Dawn beneath Kur, then Outside near the Root/where the Land of Shadows got pushed and doing something there. Maybe the Root can be used to heal our higher order soul a bit, or get some cool shit.

Then have us be resurrected by someone.
Put snake daughter on the tree so symbolize Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil even if its not the true one for extra?
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>>4813243
>Surprise her.
I wish our first time was with both her and medea, but whatever.
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>>4813379
Golden Apple motif + snek means we might be able to recreate Eden, Also, I know this sounds retarded considering how RM work but we could plant it in Salvation Garden and maybe try turning it into literally Eden as a side project.

Go above and beyond just concepting Satsuki and instead cultivate Eden inside her mind
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>>4813379
Arc can guide us in the Inner Sea/Reverse and below it, Tiamat can navigate the Sea of Dawn and Scathach was already Outside a lot in Land of Shadows.
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>>4813243
>>Surprise her.

But ask if we can come in First
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>>4813243
>Use the Tamamo sticker.
>"Sakura, where are you?"
>Go there if she answers. Surprise her if she doesn't.
You don't always get the chance to surprise your sisterwife in her bathroom, but we have to make sure it really is her. She shoved BB to a wall for flirting with us, she'll tear her limb from limb for this. Let's not risk it. She won't be wearing the sticker while showering, we'll still surprise her if it really is her.
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It's on her nipples so she can always keep tabs on her nisan
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>>4813383
Avicebron's Adam can recreate Eden so we can probably do it.
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>>4813383
Also, even after we "used" the Tree, it can serve as our Age of Truth anchor/Texture pinning thing.
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>>4813243

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>>4813274
Well, that's the problem with power creep. Kind of the same with Gilgamesh, he was absurd in Stay Night and has only gotten more absurd since then.

>>4813388
Then she'll tell us she's not ready yet and we'll still surprise her. She won't expect us to be in her room.
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>>4813384
Also considering Medusa's connections, Rhea restored her grandson Dionysius from just his heart after he was burned to ash, if you want a greekoid form of resurrection

>She is the older sister of Cronus, who was also her consort. In early traditions, she is known as "the mother of gods" and therefore is strongly associated with Gaia and Cybele

>Dionysus' grandmother Rhea managed to put some of his pieces back together (principally from his heart that was spared) and brought him back to life.

Medusa is still without a concept. We could connect her to her mother goddess roots
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>>4813378
Even bigger brain idea. Photonic Crystal ELIXIR 2.0: Glasshouse edition.

Create a sealed Photonic Crystal Glasshouse and use it to create an absolute top tier environment for growing this Tree. We can have Vritra and Alitheia put some stuff in it, and then use the Photonic Crystal to also cultivate the environment along with the plant itself. Maybe the calculations can be used to hybridize different super trees into one.
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>>4813378
I'm still kinda groggy so perhaps I'm missing something, but I fail to see the appeal of hanging or crucifying ourselves for an apotheosis.
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>>4813386
doesn't Tamamo sticker broadcast to everyone? Why not just call out to her and confirm
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>>4813397
She has gigafucktons of Earth Mother Goddess implications in later lore. Even to the Goddess of Catalhoyuk who is super important for some reason, through the Cybele/Anatolia connections, as the source of Potnia Theron, whose dream it is said to be for mankind to reach the stars and escape their origin.
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>>4813390
So do we claim Avalon as the base, make Salvation Garden into Eden or make Kur into Elysium/Eden sort of thing?

Or just do it all.

Obeithion should effectively be the Queen of Avalon
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>>4813400
Two questions, do you know how Odin did his stuff, and have you read about Papillion Magecraft from Case Files?
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>>4813400
Just grow a big tree, kill urself and come back better my man.

All the cool characters do it
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>>4813401
Because it'll ruin the surprise if it really is her in there. It's not like we're asking something compromising, we're just looking for our sisterwife.
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>>4813404
I know how Odin did his stuff, yes. I've read the Case Files but Papillion Magecraft doesn't ring a bell at the moment.

>>4813405
Dunno, my nigger. I'm sure we can find a better way.
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>>4813406
This is why we need the shroud back
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>>4813408
We'd attempt this post Manaka

Probably post hogwarts

We'd have about 12 different ways to resurrect and an established underworld to catch us.

The worst part would be putting the Dojo out of business
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>>4813409
True, but this is also why we should make a cloak of True Invisibility soon.
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>>4813403
Probably do it all and make some kind of super-Yggdrasil, in that it should hold or run through every part of the World. Connecting the Inner Sea, the Reverse, the top Texture, and running outside?

Show these shitty trees how its done.

Lance of Longinus as Odin's Spear
Reincarnated Orochi as Snake in the Garden
Hybrid Super Tree
Photonic Crystal Glasshouse
Permission from Eresh to grow into Kur and from Arc to grow into the Reverse and from Scath to grow into Land of Shadows.
Arc as Reverse Side guide, Tiamat as Sea of Dawn guide, Eresh as Underworld guide, Scathach as Outside guide. (Nyarly taking us on a tour to the Supreme Archetype?)
something cool to water it with. Chaos Tide?


>>4813408
Papillion Magecraft is "butterfly magecraft", its based on the transition between states and using the uncertainty of being between two states and being neither to do stuff.
The guy who uses it in Case Files managed to escape being killed by transferring himself into a pre-prepared Homunculus made with his semen and blood, and it can do Crest repair and exploiting gaps.

Butterfly because cocoon as the symbol of transitions.
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>>4813402
If we need some Titan essence to borrow we can always go for a trip to Tartarus with clae as well.
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>>4813414
Chaos Tide, Truth blood, maze leftovers

ALSO

The Creation concept we didn't have an idea for.
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>>4813414
We could also go the reverse side and Tartarus and grab every single cunt of a deity and blend them into fertilizer for the tree.

Grandpa would be so proud.
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>>4813419
Tamamo's Mirror also has some kind of super water, throw that in as well? with Tamamo, Karna, bringing the roided up sunlight for this tree.
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>>4813421
I'M GARDENING OOOOOOOOOUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>4813422
No, we are C U L T I V A T I N G

Also, if you want to go all out, what kind of rope are we hanging ourselves with? Gleipnir? Tartarus chains? Some kind of goddess hair?
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>>4813414
Oh, right. The old guy from Adra castle. He didn't become stronger though, he just transferred himself to a younger body iirc. I don't see how he's relevant.
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>>4813421
Water it with water deities

>>4813424
Eresh's hair?

Maybe find some strings of Fate

clap
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>>4813425
Because the magecraft is "exploiting the gaps between certainties". Transferring to a different body is one possible use.
Its based on butterflies. When a butterfly exits a cocoon its different, its not the same. Its about transformation in uncertainty.

Which is also how rayshifting works now that I think about it.
Get it? rayshifting. rei-shifting rei as in spirit. reishi as in spiritron
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>>4813426
Then the soil should be Chaos Tide, the water the Yata no Kagami or water god water, the sunlight from Tamamo and Karna authority sunlight?
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>>4813430
If it's in Kur I want to track down Nergal in INS, put him in a cage and hang him like a Christmas ornament on the branches as another sun. He can stay there forever shitting and cumming for bullying Eresh
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>>4813430
Galatine contains a Sun too.

If you want different flavours of sunlight summon Yang Guifei, her star form is Formalhaut
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>>4813428
But the guy just used it to transfer himself to a new body. It wasn't even stronger, just younger. I still fail to see how it's relevant, or why we'd want to do it when we can use some method that doesn't involve us hanging ourselves.

Hell, even Grandpa's method sounds more appealing.

Another of my half-formed objections to this plan is that we're basing this on Norse mythology. I'm worried it'll stain either ourselves or our Age of Truth with some stupid Norse shitstains, tilt the balance towards their texture instead of where we want it.

I hate puns

>>4813433
I fully support Nergal as Eresh's personal night light.
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>>4813426
String...string...rope...

Find the dwarves who made Gleipnir in the Reverse and have them make a rope from something.

Truth and maybe a Moon Cell Regalia + something else?
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>>4813243
>Surprise her.
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>>4813440
Norse mythos ends in the garden of Eden, it'll be fine
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>>4813446
I don't really want to go through a Ragnarok. Do you?
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>>4813440
So just because that one guy didn't get stronger from Papillion Magecraft you think thats all of it?
That's also what Heartless used to turn Faker into Divine Spirit Iskander. The place closest to the Reverse, inside the Dragon's heart where Heartless was born, he exploited the uncertainty along with the time magic. The time magic itself wasn't enough.

Also, that's like saying Rin uses gemcraft so that's the pinnacle of gemcraft, even though Zelretch also uses it.
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>>4813440
That's why we're using all these other shits not just Norse stuff. The only Norse bit is the "hanging from tree".

Shinto water, Sumer chaos water, Hindu and Shinto/Chinese sunlight, the Tree probably contains Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, Fuseng Tree, Hesperides stuff as well, etc
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>>4813449
We need a way to avoid cycles, mashing every myth together with Truth glue should fill up the shortcomings and prevent the need to cuck with a cyclical existence

Seeing as we'll have pseudo suns hanging from the tree there can be crops underneath it.

Elysian fields of huwheat and rice, Ammy would like that.

Depends how many chinks we get by that point for immortal peaches and of course basic golden apples. These all offer lifeforms immortality or atleast extended life to make Kirsh's plan go one better.

hell, we could have Shuten craft booze out of them as alcohol is a much more refined/condensed version of just the fruit.

She kind needs a job anyway.
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>>4813454
Should we actually.. go to Lostbelts just to steal the trees?

just to graft them onto Chadryssil. We'd want the one in gigachink's LB as a minimum for the fusang component
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>>4813457
We should also summon Blavatsky. Her thing is combining magical foundations that aren't supposed to go together, and making them work anyway.
She'd like the whole Truth thing and maybe we can do something with the Root to show her?
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>>4813458
I am up for it. Would give us a better reason to do it than "Safari, ho!", even if thats a very big reason.

Steal the Grails from Singularities, steal the Fantasy Trees from Lostbelts?
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>>4813450
I don't remember Heartless using that specific kind of magecraft for his masterplan at all.

>>4813454
>>4813457
We're not really mashing all myths together though. We're using a Norse blueprint with materials from other myths. The blueprint is more important by default, so we're placing Norse mythology above the others by default.
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>>4813459
Lemuria is actually just lost under the sea. Along with Atlantis etc. Helena is based but we can also just go find stuff underwater. By my headcanon ocean depths should have preserved mystery
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>>4813458
One more tree! The Core of the Moon Cell has the Phenomenon Selection Tree which is kinda like a materialized/cyberized version of timeline proliferation and selection phenomena.

You can use codecasts in the real World and spiritrons exist everywhere, so just have Morgan and BB take it out.

If we want to keep this Moon Cell, take one from a Parallel/Adjacent variant.
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WhatIs is gonna freak.

Is this the most based autism yet?
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>>4813465
Even if we don't hang ourselves constructing this thing will be hilarious.

Unironic cultivation
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>>4813243
>>4813386
Support
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>>4813243
switching from >>4813365 to >>4813386
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>>4813472
I'm not against making a super Yggdrasil with all that bullshit. Won't be that much different than making Eresh Queen of the Unified Underworld, and more than one mythologies have a tree in the foundations of the world. I'm specifically against using it and Odin's myth as basis for our apotheosis as head of the new pantheon.
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>>4813465
If you REALLY don't want to hang ourself, we can grow a Fruit that concentrates all the Inner Sea of the Planet, Reverse World, Underworld, Outside and Root facing things into one.
Then have Shuten, and our entire Caster team distil and drink it.

Does an alchemy base suit it more, you think?
That usually deals with benign spiritual ascendance and becoming god-like or closer to God in nature, with spiritual chrysopoeia and shit.
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>>4813477
I would be in favor of that as well. As long as we don't crib one specific mythology, I don't really have anything against the plan.
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>>4813477
We'll show Gramps what a REAL ELIXIR looks like!
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>>4813477
The bigger meme would be that if we have our dudes distill the fruit into an elixir, we can also add other ingredients and process at the elixir making stage, not just the tree growing stage.

We can also drink it out of Nero's True Grail.
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>>4813481
Now that's a plan that combines things from different mythologies without placing one above the others.
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True Boomerjuice
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>>4813484
If we really wanted, we could put some real monster parts in the drink as well.
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>shinji explodes in a burst of light
>his new form
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>>4813485
We're definitely adding water from Nero's Grail, the Yata no Kagami water that can revive the dead iirc, ambrosia from Greek stuff, if Wukong can get us some Peaches of Immortality or God food thats good,

I am also interested if Paracelsus can refine Chaos Tide into some kind of better Photonic Crystal. Supposedly you need to start with prima materia. Well, here it is?
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>>4813485
Assclap's Gorgon based Immortality elixir + whatever Xu Fu is cooking?
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Also I think this makes us a giant target for ET stuff.

Gigachink's wall and probably the man/Xian himself might be worth besting in combat so he simps to us. He actually respects Guda somehow..? because of the STAND HERE moment they had

I think the LBs will be fucking hilarious, we go to each with Guda a randomised % through the canon story, dab on the big bad and yoink the tree.

They're constantly trying to figure out what happened. Eventually we'd cross paths
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>>4813489
>>4813490
50/50 chance of either becoming a god, or exploding and Taiga scolding us.
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>>4813492
If we explode our soul still goes to Kur and Eresh can scold us then put us back and our soul still gets elevated to fuck. GG
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Shuten will probably take a sip, she'll need some concept that won't ruin her but will actually bestow loyalty.

She's a hedonist, she can't help it
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>>4813492
If we make enough Elixir we can also skip drinking it and literally soak in it until it gets absorbed into us slowly, if thats safer.
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So, we're enrolling in the Botany department I take it?
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>>4813497
Recreate some water of the womb symbology and be nurtured by the distilled essence of all creation and what bits of the Root we can snatch for this thing. Complete rebirth into a higher form of life.

Now we're approaching true cultivation

>>4813498
Maybe. Probably. Botany department is also the department that deals with Curses.
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>>4813493
And what if our soul explodes?

>>4813494
I don't think this can be done without fundamentally changing her

>>4813498
Modern Magecraft. We can take botany courses without it being our main department.
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>>4813492
We can also have our allies and loved ones elevated by the same elixir, or if they are incompatible simply distil out the bad parts.

It's not like this would be unreproducible, especially with Mordred's time memes.
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>>4813501
Even just to pinch Yggdrasil seeds. They're probably considered useless in modern day because they need AoG environment to germinate
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>>4813502
Our soul is like the one part I'm not worried about, given how much higher even our teeny tiny bit of higher-dimensional soul does + Truth. Also, as I just said we can soak in it and recreate a rebirth ritual instead of drinking it if you wish.
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>>4813503
I don't think they'll be able to take it, and they don't have the dojo as a failsafe.

>>4813504
We still don't have to actually enroll at Botany to do that.

>>4813505
Maybe, why not. We'll ask the casters for ideas and refine the plan as we go anyway.
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>>4813509
We're gonna need to get a lot of IC horticulture experience. So it'll be a pretty big focus, if not the main deparment.

For gods that might be useful..

Abu/Ninsar from Sumerian mythos? Maybe Hegemone might be worth tracking down in INS. Hegemone especially when it's getting mature and we need it to fruit successfully.

Also Item Creation up some Truth gardening tools.
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The real question is if we can God Tree 2.0: The Sequel, by having the Tree be able to absorb information because its partially made out of Fantasy Trees and the Moon Cell Phenomena Selection Tree, and making it continually absorb information from the Root as if it were sunlight, by having it slowly grow out into the Outside while anchoring it to our World.
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>>4813516
I think some Chinese Immortals are good at this growing shit. Have Arc track them down and flex her authority?
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>>4813516
Our main focus will be taking over the Clocktower, we kinda have a time limit for that. Our studies will be secondary, or maybe even tertiary. We have all the time in the world to learn botany later. Modern Magecraft is both more suitable for our real goal, and more entertaining. Let's not get carried away.
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>>4813520
If we have to glass the clocktower I do want to make sure we at least stole a bunch of mythical seeds first.

This autism is all post-post game stuff, but it's worth setting it up as we go where we can.

>>4813517
It's called the Root, we can just make it the taproot for Chadryssil through some grafting magic :^)
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>>4813520
What would we actually learn in Modern though?

Basically there to socialise, make connections, and molest Medea while she tries to teach.

Botany might be the only class we actually need to take seriously.
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>>4813520
If we want to learn modern magecraft to the level we'll need, we should summon some kodern or foundational Casrers. Though most dont have canon sheets.
Hermes Trismegistos for being foundational, Blavatsky, Aleister Crowley and MacGregor Mathers would be modern big names? With John Dee a maybe for angel summoning.

In an ideal setting, of course.
>>4813522
I think its because modern magecraft is good at combining stuff. Clocktower is way too low level though.
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>>4813524
Just summon Helena, she actually likes teaching and is also not a complete shitter like what I imagine the current clocktower has for her field of expertise.

She's also pre statted and Good alignment so we don't have to worry about getting Crowley'd
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>>4813521
Nigger, we'll have Chiyome and either the Shroud or a Cloak of True Invisibility. We can steal anything from anywhere, we don't actually have to enroll at any specific department. And we'll have to glass the clocktower only if we fail in taking it over from the inside by, say, focusing on growing vegetables instead of making the conspiracy work.

>>4813522
Socialize, make connections, have fun with Mrs. Colchis, learn from Waver who's really good at analyzing different kinds of Magecraft.. THAT'S why we're going to the Clocktower. We can neutralize them first and then learn botany. We can't do it the other way around.
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>>4813526
The thing about Botany is that the teachers might actually have some really good info that they'd freely give. The problem with a lot of their work is the modern day setting just can't cope with growing these old world plants. So the knowledge is "useless" and actually something worth teaching in their minds.

It's lost all mystery atm because it doesn't matter anymore, it's effectively a dead art until we flip the planet's biosphere on its head and make it all work again.
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>>4813525
We'd 100% fit for a Mahatma even higher than the Root too.
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>>4813528
I'm all for taking some Botany courses. I'm against making it our primary department or wasting too much time on it when we have so many more important things to do while there. Just about everyone takes some courses from outside their main department anyway.
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>>4813528
Zolgen also was in Botany, so I wonder if our family name can open some hidden doors. We can do two faculties equally, thats what Luvia does.
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>>4813531
There IS no primary department...you can take more if you can take the workload. All departments are separate. They dont care as long as you do your part.
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>>4813532
Grandpa I'm sorry.

I had to finish the manifesto on the answer to snake question. Pls understand
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Man who would have thought we would take the plant growing class. At least it's not law.
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So what do we do when TYPEs come for the fruit? Or Velber?
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>>4813537
Botany Department is also where Curse shit is. Thats why Zolgen was there. Command Seals are Cursecraft.
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>>4813533
I'm pretty sure you don't have to spend equal effort and time on all departments you follow. You can have a primary one and just dabble on something else. And we shouldn't do more than dabble in Botany right now, we have more important things to do.

>>4813538
Why would the TYPEs do it? And I guess we have to prepare to kick Velber's ass. Another reason not to hurry.

>>4813540
Now that's just wrong. Curses are their own department. Grandpa just followed both.
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>>4813538
Hopefully we'll have beefed up Shirou or Redman so they can Slash Emperor. We can also have Longinus and Black barrel. Help Arc have full Crimson Moon power without his mind?
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>>4813541
>Botany (植物, Shokubutsu?) is designated as (VII) and the faculty of Yumina (ユミナ?). It is known as the department for witchcraft,[35] and pharmaceuticals
Wittchcraft is Western Cursecraft.
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>>4813543
7th department for the 7th Beast which uses fantasy trees. Pottery
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>>4813541
Curses, funnily as far as we know, deals with Necromancy. We dont know anything else.
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>>4813543
>Botany
>Botany (植物, Shokubutsu?) is designated as (VII) and the faculty of Yumina (ユミナ?). It is known as the department for witchcraft,[35] and pharmaceuticals.[40] Anti-aging medicine is in high demand and so is a significant source of income for Botany.[41] Makiri Zolgen was affiliated with this faculty,[42] as was Hinako Akuta.[35]

>Curses
>Curses (呪詛, Juso?) is designated as (X) and the faculty of Jigmarie (ジグマリエ, Jigumarie?). One of its fields of study is Necromancy.[43] Mick Grazilier is a member of this Faculty,[44] and Makiri Zolgen was also affiliated with the department.[42]

anon...
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>>4813545
Necromancy is only one field of study. Curses also deals with, well, curses.
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>>4813546
Yes, Autist?
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>>4813548
You still insist that Botany and Curses aren't different departments?
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>>4813546
>Hinako

Paisen show me how to grow a Fusang pls.

I'll summon your husband as a reward
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>>4813547
Botany also deals with Curses and Curse dept. also deals with Necromancy, which is not curses.

Like the Archeology dept. also being the "general" studies at high level not Modern, which is syncretistic. Like Touko. Departmental cross pollination is high, and not all Curses are same kind. Like how "making creatures" can be zoology or Creation depending on context.

Or Astromancy being Divinity shit.
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>>4813551
I feel Cryptozoology is a really underutilised field in Nasuverse.

I've done a lot of autism regarding it personally
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>>4813550
She dont know shit. Maris just edited her in as an alibi. For Fusang she used some origin/authority thing but Arc is better.
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>>4813551
Maybe the difference is one is "Black Magic" other is "Witchcraft", even though Black magic includes witchcraft and Curses but are also different.

This is Ether fiasco again.
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>>4813554
Although I guess the problem is most things are on the reverse side, so you need to find areas untouched by man such as deep ocean, untouched islands, Agartha, and large deserts/deep forests without human presence
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>>4813555
I still want to ask her about the horsecock thing
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>>4813551
Witchcraft is not curses. It's the magic of witches. It does contain some curses, but it's so much more than that. Ayaka uses witchcraft, for example, and curses aren't really her thing.

Curses is curses. I feel like I'm explaining "people die when they are killed" right now. It contains Necromancy, for some reason, but it's not the primary focus of the department. Curses are.

I assume the division was due to Clocktower politics at some point, with Lords vying to bring vaguely related topics in their sphere of influence so they can gather more students and influence.
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>Though not using any Rune letter, it is of Rune Magecraft
Do we know Gandr or is it worthless for us?
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>>4813562
We probably do, it's really basic shit. But it's also worthless for us.
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>>4813559
Except Tamamo's Jujutsu or Cursecraft is also lcalized/TLed as Witchcraft.
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>>4813564
Witchcraft (呪術, Jujutsu?, lit. "Curse Techniques", localized as "Maleficium"EX and "Curse"GO) is a Skill that signifies one as a practitioner of Witchcraft. This magecraft has roots in both the eastern and western worlds.
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>>4813540
Did Gramps make any enemies in the CT before he bailed? Let's hope we don't activate some centuries-old grudge match by showing up
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>>4813567
Did I hear maze volunteer?
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>>4813565
There is no other "Cursing" skill, so Witchcraft it is? Jujutsu cant be clearer.
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>>4813565
>Witchcraft
Witchcraft (ウィッチクラフト, Wicchikurafuto?) is a term for Magecrafts used by Beryl Gut and Haruri Borzak. In Fate/Apocrypha, it is regarded as a Thaumaturgical System different from Black Magic.

>All Magecrafts in the prototype of Fate have the aspect of Black Magic and Witchcrafts' one is especially negative.[2] In Fate/Prototype, the refined version of the prototype mentioned above, Ayaka Sajyou shoots magical bullets using ravens' feathers that is a basic Witchcraft. Misaya Reiroukan, Hiroki Sajyou, and Master Reiroukan also use Black Magic.

Wrong translation for Tamamo. There's more than one Witchcraft. You can explain it as if she's using a different form of witchcraft than what the Clocktower teaches if you want.

>>4813567
They might congratulate us for killing him and taking over, actually.
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>>4813569
Which reminds me, Tamamo should definitely be part of the Inquisition.
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>>4813572
Jujutsu Witchcraft includes the provision already for being both eastern and western tyles.
Mephisto and Tamamo's Dakini stuff are both Jujutsu.
One is Succubi dream shit and europe evil shit, other is using her own body, divination etc.

It would be easier if we knew what the jap text says for Botany and Curses. Is it the same Jujutsu or a diff term?
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>>4813550
Paisen should still be...around, right? Since she didn't scooped up by Moneybills is she just innawoods in chinkland?
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>>4813576
Jujutsu does, yes. Witchikurafuto doesn't. I'm 100% sure the second is what Botany teaches, it makes absolutely no sense otherwise. It's only a minor stretch anyway botany -> herbs -> witch's cauldron -> witches.
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>>4813577
She should be yeah. She really fucking hates humans though, so probably want Arc or something inhuman, like Clae to find her and put in a word for us.

Enkidu can also track down anyone or anything we want too with PD. We can actually use that as a way to divvy up people, send some out searching for characters we need to find
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>>4813588
Lugh too actually. He has great PD due to his connection to the planet and he's fast and an elemental like her.
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>>4813588
>find her with Shinji's Contacts EX
>summon doomhorse and incarnate him
>give them some remote plot of land to do whatevs in

Consort Yu Happy End Any% (WR)
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>>4813594
Is that thing about her and horsecock a joke, or...

Do I even want to know?
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This is her husband
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>>4813598
Panhuman Doomhorse was a normal-ish dude iirc

QSH modded the fuck outta him in the lostbelt
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>>4813598
Now from behind
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>>4813604
She still loves him as horsecock and is willing to throw a whole world away for his sake. She wants the biomechanical horse dong
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>>4813603
>>4813604
>>4813606
We'll be giving her the normal human version, right?

Right?
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>>4813594
Then she can teach us how2immortal peaches if Yukong is still being a faggot.

We only need one, then we can grow it from seed.

>>4813611
We'll see what the summoning circle throws out
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>>4813582
I went to the jp wiki and Search'd the kanji. Neither jujutsu nor Witchu appears in any text in the Clocktower page. Copypasting the symbols from the english wiki.

I'll try feeding it to a machine TLer because at this point I want to know.
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>>4813613
It'll be funny if the clocktower uses a third term that isn't explained anywhere.
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>>4813614
They probably teach what Mephisto does if I were to just randomly guess.

That's European Witchcraft
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>>4813615
What does Curses teach then? And who teaches witch-style Witchcraft? This is the only division of topics that doesn't seem retarded to me.
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>>4813618
I think they are separated by result rather than method. Both use "Curses" the 6th imaginary element, ideation distorting the World, magical energy can increase or wash away a forming curse but not an active one etc, but the methodology is different

Like how both Runes, Modern magecraft, and puppetry use Ether as magical energy, magic circuits, etc.
That doesnt mean they are one or are not one.

Jap wiki according to MTL doesn't even have descriptions of the departments, just who is from which one.
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>>4813611
shes a big girl she can take it
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>>4813628
She can reform her body after she gets exploded
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>>4813622
>Both use "Curses" the 6th imaginary element
The what now? Curses aren't an element, real or imaginary.

>they are separated by result rather than method
>the methodology is different
That seems contradictory

I'm surprised that the nip wiki is less informed than the english one. No authoritative answer to settle this then.

But anyway, I am still adamant that Botany teaches the magic of the witches aka Witchcraft (Witchikurafuto), and Curses teaches curses aka Witchcraft (jujutsu).
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>>4813622
I managed to finagle into making google translate prove to me that all of Tamamo's curse stuff is "juso" (or at least sounds like it?) so its the same kind of "Curse" as actual Cursecraft, as in ju(something). This is what was translated as Witchcraft.

So at minimum the Dakini and Mephisto style Witchcraft is = Cursecraft.
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>>4813635
Uh.

"Demon (Terminology)
The 6th Imaginary Aspect. Existences born of the wishes of humans, passively (受動的な, shuudou-teki-na?, lit. "as acted upon") called forth by human desire. Manifest phantasms (実像幻想, jitsuzou gensou?) that take form via the aggregation of ideation (想念, sounen?, lit. "thoughts"). For materialization (実体化, kittaika?, lit. "manifestation to material") to occur, "a form fabricated by humans" is necessary. Not True Demons, but existences that obtain being by the imposition of a Designation (個体名, kotai-mei?, lit. "unit designation").
As Demons attain true freedom upon receiving a Designation, it is a general rule that the naming of Demons is not an act to lightly engage within.
Temporarily setting aside the outcomes of engaging with such, Demons may be assessed as allies of humanity, who exist so as to empathize with and resolve the sufferings of humanity. "

"Demons" is the 6th Imaginary Aspect, just as "Ether" in the modern era is "5th Imaginary Aspect".
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>>4813640
Its also on the Elements page itself, if you wish to look at it, except for some reason the wiki renders all instances of Demon as "Daemon", even if it means something completely different than whats actually written.
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>>4813637
Going off the skill name translations this would also include awawawa's Poem style curses and Chiyome's cursecraft as well, as its all ju(suffix)
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>>4813637
So we are agreed that Botany doesn't teach curses and Curses does?

>>4813645
No, that's alright. You just said "curses" as an element and I didn't immediately make the connection.
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>>4813646
That seems reasonable, yes.
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>>4813647
>So we are agreed that Botany doesn't teach curses and Curses does?
No we aren't. I said the opposite.

Tamamo's Dakini and Mephisto's stuff seem like Witchcraft and is localized as witchcraft. In japanese its written with Ju, for curse, which is the same thing Cursecraft is, and the curse department is.

Cursecraft teaches Curses, and Botany teaches a specific sub-branch of Curses also.
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>>4813652
There is also Ma, which may have something to do with it, as its localized as "demon" or "monster" a lot. Ma is also Mahou, majutsushi etc.

Ma seems to be "something born of nature that exercises unnecesery powers that distort the flow of nature".
This includes Oni, who are not 6th Aspect Demons but Phantasmal Demons, though some Oni work like heroic spirits and spontaneously arise.
This includes demonic beasts like mobs in GO.
This includes humans.
This includes Magi.

Terminology is fucked in Nasuland.
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>>4813652
But Botany's Witchcraft isn't Ju, it's Withikurafuto. Curses department is Jum and anything under ju should belong to that. Tamamo's Witchcraft should have just been translated as Cursecraft, and then there'd be no doubt that it belongs under curses.
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>>4813655
The king is still the Ether/True Ether/Grain terminology confusion or retcon that happened due to the Black Barrel description.
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>>4813657
>Curses department is Jum
Ju. I have no idea how that can even happen.
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>>4813657
Yes, but the description of Withikurafuto accords to stuff like what Mephisto does and thats also under Curse.
There is also the fact that Black Magic lumps in the same witchcraft into itself, and Black Magic is "Witchcrafts, Metamorphism and western Cursing Techniques"

Gandr is also a curse, but its under runecraft. Cursed Boundary Layer and Celenike's internet cursing are the only "pure" curses we know of.
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>>4813662
Looking it one practicioner, Haruri Borzak.

It says "Haruri is a practitioner of Witchcraft. She describes it as an art that always require sacrifice, although she has only ever offered her own flesh and blood as tribute"

Does this not sound similar to Tamamo's stuff of "Cursecraft that uses the caster's own body"? Except separated by a gulf of power and skill, along with divine nature.
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Another pertinent terminology fuckery is what the Black Barrel is made out of and what it destroys, and how safe it is to handle, if we maybe have to handle it.

Notes has it as Grain stuff and it fucks up Grain stuff.
Character mats has it has True Ether/Grain that destroy True Ether/Grain and also Imaginary Ether

GO has Greater Source/Mana itself as Imaginary Aspect, which means that Black Barrel destroys mana with its presence/shots. Mana is the same as od just from a different source, meaning anything with life that holds would get poisoned.
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>>4813676
I've sort of treated it as, too much lifeforce/Divinity you can't even hold it as it just conceptually fucks you and is so toxic to your existence
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Also to dab on ETs that come after our Tree, we could go use the second + TIME to grab Godo right before he dies, heal him up and give him a good life in the planet's anti-ET overwatch
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>>4813678
Except as per Character Mats it works like "It would perhaps be comparable to cancer cells directly injected into the flesh." And seems completely divorced from the standing of a given entity, and it gets stronger the more Grain/True Ether something has. Essentially its something that does more damage the more True Ether (or Imaginary Ether now) something has.

If it should be all rights be superior in density/purity it still gets fucked even harder, ala mechachads.
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>>4813679 (You)
Should we grab Venus-tan too?

Dab on shittar.

You can't use shared authorities if they're in use btw. If Venus is doing anything ishtar can't utilise any authority based on her.
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>His fate was left unknown until it was stated within the glossary that he died during the intercept mission against Type Saturn

Doesn't even break canon, he's only presumed dead
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>>4813682
I don't think thats how it works? Since Venus would be using "Venus of the Roman Texture". An Authority comes from Earth in this case, for Ishtar its specifically "The Venus of the Mesopotamian Texture", so she could use it simultaneously to someone like chinese Venus star general.

Or if you mean Type-Venus, Types don't even interact with Authorities or jurisdiction Earth side.
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>>4813687
There was a big Authorities discussion on fgog earlier today, and there was talk + evidence of shared Authorities not being able to activate simultaneously. If Quetz is using Venus, ishtar can't until she's done.

It seems to ignore textures.

I should have saved the posts
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>>4813684
I think Types have no interaction with and are completely orthogonal to Authorities, even disregarding that Ishtar is a specific Texture's Venus.

Venus would do things by Venusian concepts, which are not Earth concepts so they don't interact. Even if she is naturalized, that's not an Authority because at that point the Earth was dead, so Authorities wouldn't exist, and if she gets one now it would be something made specifically for her probably.
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>>4813688
Does that mean when they are next to each other, ie, in the same Texture?
That has to be either a new Age of Man thing or based on locality somehow. Otherwise Age of Gods wouldn't work.
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>>4813691
I found part of it actually, was looking up stuff to infodump to WhatIs

>It is stated in Summer 2017 similar divinities cancel out the Authorities of similar deities. For instance, Quetz and Ishtar cannot use their Authorities on one another. Because they share the concept of "god's of Venus".
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>>4813693
Maybe it's just the target and not the use of said Authority judging from that though
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>>4813693
That just means you can't use an Authority on something that has the same Authority. So you can't MeoDP Death gods for example.
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>>4813696
In the Balor's Eye sense, not thr psychic Pure Eyes sense.
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What won?
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>>4813704
COOM
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>>4813704
Surprise. Tamamophone write in was too late
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>>4813704
Why are you here so early? We told you to fix your sleeping schedule and you made it worse!
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>>4813716
Yes.
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>>4813716
He's just so excited to write coom
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>>4813718
I admit I am very mildly disappointed that it's not even the intelligent COOM option that won.
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>>4813720
I didn't even vote

sneed
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>>4813721
Did you think I hadn't noticed?
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>>4813722
thingken bout tree
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>>4813723
A likely excuse.

Wouldn't have made a difference anyway though, it was 7-4 or something like that.
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>>4813724
I can't autismplan peaking on someone in the shower without the shroud so I just leave the audience to their own devices
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>>4813725
Wasn't the sticker the best available option then?
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>>4813662
>>4813665
The way I see it, Witchcraft and Cursecraft are two different but not unrelated things.

Witchcraft (Witchikurafuto) is the magic of witches. It has stuff like brews, cauldrons, ravens and yes, some curses. It is the magic practiced by Ayaka and the other guys described in that section. It is not the magic practiced by Tamamo.

Cursecraft (Jujutsu, erroneously translated as Witchcraft) is the magic of curses. It deals exclusively in curses. This is what Tamamo practices. I admit I don't know much about Mephisto, but I'd put him here as well.

There is some overlap between the two, as there is some overlap between Witchcraft and Botany due to the witch brew connection. I assume that Witchcraft was added to the Clocktower after the departments were established and it could have gone to either Botany or Curses, but Botany won the internal power struggle and acquired it. Similarly, I assume Necromancy could have gone to either Spiritual Invocation or Curses, and Curses won THAT power struggle. Perhaps they even occurred at the same time, and Curses conceded Witchcraft in order to acquire the more valuable Necromancy.
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>>4813726
it doesn't really achieve anything

there's more entertainment in it for me if Shinji stumbles into something he shouldn't anyway.

It could be BB, it could be someone else borrowing her shower
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>>4813729
Ah, so you want to see Sakura tear BB limb from limb if she's in there. Gochu senpai
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>>4813730
if it happens it happens
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>>4813727
Mephisto's own wiki Character page gives

"Witchcraft (Rank A): He uses classical western Witchcraft as his specialty.

And his GO mats translation is "
Curse Techniques: A

Mephistopheles uses classical western Curse Techniques as his specialty."
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>>4813734
Witchcraft is just a label. Mephisto's Witchcraft is Jujutsu, not Witchikurafuto. So for me that passage would be:

"Cursecraft (Rank A): He uses classical western Cursecraft as his specialty.

And his GO mats translation is "
Curse Techniques: A

Mephistopheles uses classical western Curse Techniques as his specialty."

Which seems more consistent between the two sources, and would put him solidly under Curses instead of Witchcraft and Botany.
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>>4813723
About that tree. Add in going to Tokoyo-no-kuni with Tamamo and some japanese and searching for some more immortality fruits/trees there.
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>>4813736
I still think you're differentiating nothing.

Atlas mind stuff, body mods, spiritron calculation is alchemy.
Sieg's FMA style shit is Alchemy.
Para's Archei are alchemy.
Einzbern Transfer of Power is alchemy.


Same with different types of Curses.
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>>4813742
I'm differentiating Witchcraft and Curses because the Clocktower is differentiating Witchcraft and Curses. The division is completely retarded otherwise. I'm not discounting entirely the possibility that they really are that retarded, but the explanation makes sense to me if only you assume there was a mistranslation for one specific word in one specific skill.
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>>4813738
log all the tree autism so it can be used later anon.

We fleshed out a fair bit of it, this thread will be pruned soon as we're in the 2k+ zone
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>>4813747
It'll always be in the archives for future reference, though it would indeed be better if someone doesn't have to go digging every time it's mentioned again.
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>>4813747
Its basically get all the super trees to combine, chaos tide as soil+gods as fertilizer, yata no kagami water and holy grail water to water it, tamamo and karna sun authorities to fuel it, photonic crystal glasshouse with maybe made from Chaos Tide refined photonic crystal, grow it through all the layers of the World, Alitheia and co to make super mana.
Then Shuten, Caster Team refine an Elixir from it that we can use as drink or to soak in.

Specific ingredients like Yggdrasil seeds, Fusang Tree, Tokoyo Tree, Immortal Peach stuff from Wukong, Phenomena Selection Tree, Fantasy Trees, Golden Apples ?
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>>4813750
and seething nergal in a cage.

but ye basically.
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>>4813753
Maybe some Amrita and ambrosia to mix with the elixir
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>>4813750
So, do we expect this tree to do anything special to the world, other than provide some kick-ass fruits?
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>>4813767
It'll link all realms together, Kur, Avalon, LoS etc.
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>>4813767
Link realms as a highway, I hope it can slowly filter in magical energy so people can adapt instead of dying but does raise their powerlevel and maybe serve as the anchor for the Age of Truth. Age of Man needs some, I expect us to need one too.
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>>4813769
Yeah, yeah. You said it'd pass through all of them. I probably should've said planet or Earth instead of world. I mean, will it change reality, regress the environment to one more like the age of gods? Will we plant it on Aylesbury to be the anchor to our Age of Truth? Stuff like that.
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>>4813767
Maybe also work as the final searchengine if it can do enough info stuff and siphon info/calculate and look at stuff or even the Root.
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>>4813774
What would we use a Root Google for though?
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>>4813775
Anything? "Help! All the Alayas/Aliens/Harvest Star/Random superbeing is attacking" or "I want X, how do I do it" or anything.
I imagine we could use it sometime, or even our allies.

I do wonder if Left Manaka could contribute to this somehow, since it will be later.
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>>4813778
That's pretty much what our metaknowledge gives us already, isn't it?

And I think we should sever Left Manaka from the Root when we get the chance, she is too unstable for that kind of power. It'll be easier than what we did to Roa, and then her sister will be able to take care of her.
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>>4813781
>Tell her we will save her.
>Sever her from her power
I dont think thats a good thing. Just show her there are things higher than Akasha. We can also make the Age of Truth learn from and grow towards Truth instead of just the Root.
Should encourage her that there will come a time when everything wil be unpredictable for her.

Make her jannie herself for our new Age voluntarily, since she cant cheat on this with merely that level of existence.
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>>4813782
We will still save her from the Angry Manjew and from her alternate self. We'll even save her from her boredom. We'll just do it in a way that doesn't leave a 12-year old yandere obsessed with us access to unlimited power.
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>>4813785
Ehhhh, not feeling it.
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>>4813386
+1, but strip all clothes before you walk in there for maximum surprise :^)
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>>4813806
You're too late anon, WhatIs is writing, the default "Surprise her" won.
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>>4813808
Damnit. Ah well, Shinji can still strip himself down if the moment is right
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so which wife will be first to take advantage of our regeneration by kicking us in the nuts with excessive force for doing something to displease her?
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>>4813844
If you'd asked a couple threads ago I would have said Tamamo, no contest. Now I don't know. She's still the most likely, but probably none of them.
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>>4813844
None, Shinji can do anything, no one will talk back to him anymore.
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>>4813857
I wonder what Rin is up to. Planeswalking for herself? Or perhaps bringing in of the Sakuras?
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>>4813874
Wonder how Superhero Rin and Sparks Liner High Sakura would react to one another. Since Sakura killed Rin in that one, and Sakura realized what she had done, without Shirou coming to save them.
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>>4813891
>>4813891
>>4813891
>>4813891
I would've written a pastebin but the thread is too fat so I wanted to get us started with an actual update post instead of a ghostbin link or something.
Go vote.
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>>4813894
So you spent all this time getting drunk, huh?



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