The Grail War continues, but you're finally taking a break, though of course, even your breaks can't be without stress, and you managed to find yourself in a death-match with a Goddess and her pet dog while you were supposed to be taking it easy.You are Shinji Makiri, Ten years ago you suddenly found yourself with the memories of a complete past life that saw this world as a fictional story due to some unprecedented form of inter-dimensional transportation. Since that day, your new composite being has been working to change the grim future laid out for you.To that end, you have done much, involving yourself with events and situations that have shifted the future away from the one that you once would have faced and instead onto one of uncertainty and chaos.The Fifth Holy Grail War lies ahead of you, and the challenge and danger it represents to you, the people you care for and the world itself is far greater than you could have ever predicted. Though the grail might be corrupted and the war itself might be a sham, the stakes couldn't be higher.Archive of Paradox Reincarnator: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Fate/Paradox%20ReincarnatorGeneral QM Archive: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=WhatIsAQMStatus Menu: https://pastebin.com/h152hbhVShinji Status Page: https://pastebin.com/a6fiNxrZMy Twitter: https://twitter.com/WhatIsAQMLast Thread: >>4784048
"Gilgamesh, Enkidu, what do you two know about Ereshkigal? I have reason to believe that she is trapped in that bottle alongside Ishtar, yet possibly unjustly, as she may have actually assisted Illyasviel in fending off the goddess long enough for her to be rescued." You feel like if this is the case, then Ereshkigal really does deserve some sort of reward. Well, you suppose that you'll just have to see what happens. Ereshkigal will definitely enjoy being granted the authority to run a new unified Underworld for the entire planet, especially if she were actually allowed to make the place pleasant for its occupants. Well, you don't know how difficult doing something like that will actually be, but for you and your faction, even changing natural laws like that shouldn't be out of the question."Ereshkigal? The Goddess of the Underworld?" Gilgamesh repeats your question, asking for you to clarify and receiving a nod from you in response. "I have no grievances against her in particular, my dislike is mostly reserved to her sister. Ereshkigal as far as goddesses go is one of the few who actually deserves some modicum of respect. Being the Queen of the Dead is not an enviable duty." Gilgamesh doesn't seem to have anything against Ereshkigal, thankfully. "If she provided that girl there assistance in resisting Ishtar's efforts to erase her, I would even go so far as to say she deserved praise." "I have no strong thoughts on her either way. Though I somehow doubt she'll be happy when she finds out about the nature of my abilities..." Enkidu muses. Yeah, they are probably right about that much, at least. Enkidu's ability to now escape from anything, including things like death and of course as a result of that, The Underworld, would definitely guarantee that Ereshkigal would at minimum feel uncomfortable around Enkidu as they exist now. "Well, that's good, so you wouldn't reject her potentially being given a physical form to act by herself freely?" You were already planning on giving Ishtar a body potentially so that she could act as a maid to Illya, at least if nobody else had any better ideas for dealing with her, that is."No, I wouldn't have an issue with her in particular manifesting as a Goddess, though she might end up being troublesome, so I would have to object to her not being given any sort of restraint on her, she... is quite the dangerous individual, my tolerance for her aside." Gilgamesh reminds you that Ereshkigal and Ereshkigal within Rin's body are... going to be quite different people. After all, Rin's presence within Ishtar can even turn Ishtar into somebody that isn't a massive bitch. Well, this is as good as an endorsement as you can get from somebody like Gilgamesh, you suppose.
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"Thank you, Gilgamesh, now, Casters... In this bottle, there are two divine souls, do any of you think it might be possible to separate the two souls individually?" You want to know if it will actually be possible to separate the two goddesses without causing either of them significant damage in doing so, and while you couldn't really care less about "Separating two entwined souls? Pass that bottle to me." Tamamo requests you pass the bottle to her, and you do so, whereupon she examines the bottle closely. "Yes... I might be able to do something about this, especially with how this bottle is set-up, It's somewhat compatible with my style of magecraft..." Tamamo takes a close examination of the bottle, her tails flicking as she does. "Now... let's see..." She suddenly inscribes another symbol upon the bottle, and it glows briefly before she returns it back to you. "It's a temporary solution, but I divided the essence of the spirit inside that bottle into two... in other words, I separated them for now, but eventually, the two of them will rejoin." Tamamo's remarkably rapid work there was pretty impressive! To be expected of a goddess like herself, you suppose. With four tails, Tamamo is truly a force to be reckoned with. Almost halfway to becoming a Goddess beyond almost any other through once again manifesting the powers of Amaterasu, though it's unlikely that Tamamo would allow herself to actually become Amaterasu properly even if she regained all of her tails. Tamamo offers you the bottle back and you take it, surprised at the speed of Tamamo's work. Then again, you suppose such things as preparation is something that she as a goddess doesn't really have to bother with. She has a tremendous amount of magical energy available to her, after all."Thank you, Tamamo, now, I want to go through everything I've thought of when it comes to dealing with Ishtar, and not Ereshkigal for a moment. My first idea is fully depowering her and placing her in a new body, allowing Illya to... uh, eat the rest of her divine powers, and then forcing her to take the role of a maid." You reveal your first idea to deal with Ishtar, but you've come up with quite a few ways to potentially deal with the goddess. "Now, my second idea is through 'injecting' her into the Kaleidosword in order to strengthen it further, Rin, could you confirm whether or not the blade can do that? I know it already contains Ruby's Pseudo-Personality."
"It should be able to take in the spirit of a goddess, though I'm not quite sure what sort of effect that trapping a goddess within the Kaleidosword would actually have, it would likely grow in power in some way, but I'm not quite sure how, exactly." Rin doesn't object to the idea of using Ishtar as a power source for the Kaleidosword. The magical capacity of a Goddess fused to the blade would likely allow it to charge up a tremendous amount of energy to put into attacks by effectively turning Ishtar into a battery to be filled with magical energy siphoned from other worlds. A harsh fate, but fitting for one such as Ishtar.""I see..." Well, now for the third option, and the one Rin is least likely to enjoy the idea of. "You mentioned that you could use the Kaleidosword to take things from other worlds if you had the suitable 'catalyst' right?" You don't like the idea of Pseudo-Servants, true, but this might be about the one way you could accept their existence."I did, why?""Well, I was wondering if you could perhaps see if it were possible to... perhaps summon a version of yourself from a timeline where you are doomed to die, just prior to death? Your observation is still somewhat limited when it comes to other worlds, so is such a thing even possible? Can you save another version of yourself through the Second True Magic?""Why? So we can turn that version of me into a host for a goddess? How is that any different from what Ishtar was trying to do to Illya?" Rin looks annoyed by your suggestion, but you decide to go into a little more detail for her."Well, it's quite simple, how Pseudo-Servants actually manifest is almost entirely through the will of the spirit possessing the host body, outside of the host body being specifically created to host and wield that power for themselves. I'm sure Ishtar will be more than happy to agree to properly share the body of this 'other' you instead of just trying to totally hijack it like she did with Illya, though of course, it's just a suggestion, to see how far you had come in the usage of the Second True Magic. After all, if you could even save another version of yourself from her death, wouldn't that make you the superior Rin?" You play to Rin's ego. There's really no point for her to feel bad about those other versions of herself anyway, she's better than those Rins because she's your Rin. "Besides, if it doesn't work out and the other Rin doesn't agree to it, we can always just send her back, right?" Though it's not really much of a choice. Anybody would go for being the host of a goddess over having to experience something like the Femme Fatale Dead End. "Besides, it's not like Ishtar would have any real power, we could very easily strip her of her artifacts and grant them to her sister. It's... just something to think about, for a test of the capabilities of the Kaleidosword. You'd be saving a version of yourself, right?"
"Well... I suppose... Maybe?" Rin doesn't sound fully convinced by your suggestion, but then again, she's the one who's been looting her own corpse, so she can't really complain that much about how you're suggesting she use the Second True Magic. Still, she didn't outright deny you."Good, I can also help anybody who wants it out through the application of a Concept if I need to, it will generally make you quite a bit powerful at minimum." Enkidu looks happy as you bring up your ability to manipulate concepts, they really do seem to appreciate the change that you made to their body. Gilgamesh appreciates what you did for Enkidu too, and you know that for a fact. He's been offering advice and being friendlier as of late. "Now! Does anybody else have any other plans? Or at there any objections to them?""Well, I suppose I could create a puppet body for the goddesses, but it would take some time to get it right. A week that we don't have..." Touko shrugs, clearly a little bit disappointed by the way things seem to be going, and Tamamo taking over when it came to separating the souls of the two goddesses. "I have the same issue here. While I could create suitable homunculus vessels, even for two goddesses, the growth process for such a thing would take quite a lot of time as the body adapted to grow around the soul of the goddess." Morgan also seemingly has no timely way to place the goddesses in bodies of their own. Nobody really rejects the plan outright, even Rin doesn't seem to be that bothered by the idea of using her parallel selves as a way to experiment with the Second True Magic. After all, it's something she would've definitely needed to have learned to do anyway, so why not do it in such a way that saves a version of herself from a gruesome death?"Now, one last thing... Casters, do you think you can give the spirits in the bottle the ability to communicate with us, I want to hear what they have to say." You ask the group of powerful magic wielding women, and this time, it's Medea who steps up. "In fact, I think I have just the spell!" She shouts something in ancient greek and the bottle begins to glow purple."Hey!? Who the hell do you think that you are?! Do you have any idea who the hell I am?! I'm Ishtar! You'll regret-" The bottle immediately begins shouting angrily."Give it a rest, idiot." Another voice from the bottle scolds the goddess. "I've had enough of being dragged along thanks to you, just because of our connection doesn't mean I enjoy being summoned whenever you are, and especially not into the same body. I'm just glad that the girl had the will to resist and accept my assistance." The other voice sounds quite a lot smugger than the first.
"You?! Ereshkigal?! You really were in here too?! I should've known that there was something going on with my body when I couldn't absorb that brat immediately! Why did you help her?!" Ishtar is completely ignoring the rest of the room in order to yell angrily at her sister, who is still impossibly smug."I simply didn't want you to keep getting your own way all the time, so I gave the girl a boost is all." The smugness in Ereshkigal's voice is pretty incredible, a voice that says 'I know I might be trapped in here with you, but I'm fine with that.' You're beginning to warm up to Ereshkigal immediately, this girl's dislike for her sister is pretty intense.However you don't want to watch a sealing bottle have a cat-fight, so... "Sakura, would you mind revealing the power of Tiamat for just a moment? Not in any real degree, I just want Ishtar to understand something very quickly..."OK, Onii-chan!" Sakura grows a little taller as a pair of horns spring from her head, slightly larger than they were last time, Sakura is probably getting a greater control over Tiamat's abilities without being at a risk of losing herself to the strength and... well, that's something you approve of. Sakura is constantly increasing in power, and eventually she'll become just as powerful as the original Beast II was, you're pretty sure, in fact, with her ability to wield magecraft as well as Nullification granting her all sorts of immunities, it wouldn't be incorrect to say that Sakura's current potential is greater than even the peak of Beast II's strength.Sakura moves towards the table that the bottle had been set upon, and picks it up, causing the two squabbling sisters to cease their petty argument with each other. The two are silent, and you're pretty sure that Ishtar lets out a whimper of fear as she recognizes the presence of Tiamat within Sakura. "Now, girls. Here's the thing, I really don't like being ignored." You speak now, and you know that you have their complete enraptured attention. "I'm glad that you helped Ereshkigal, and I'm sorry if Sakura is scaring you, but I just had to get Ishtar to shut her fat idiot mouth for a second." You cross your arms and look at the bottle."Y-you! You're the... You're the one behind all of this, aren't you! You... You lowlife... You... You damn..." Ishtar tries to think of a good insult to apply to you, and starts wracking her brain for one... or well, whatever she has in place of a brain as a soul kept inside a bottle."Silence!" Gilgamesh slams his foot against the floor in irritation. Angered by something. "Shinji has done me a great service, Ishtar, and I won't allow you of all people to besmirch the actions of a good man." Gilgamesh really isn't playing around, and he was... well, he was the last person you'd have expected to jump in to defend you from insults. "Now, Outsider, I believe you had something you wanted to tell the two goddesses..."
"Oh, uh... Thank you Gilgamesh. Right, I wanted to tell the two of you that Ereshkigal is to be given a body with as close to her full power as possible, while Ishtar...">"...Will be forced to become a powerless maid.">"...Will be transferred into the Kaleidosword to act as a divine battery.">"...Will be given to Illya to experiment with her new ability with.">"...Shall be left to rot.">"...Shall be sealed inside a plush toy.">How do you want to deal with getting the goddesses bodies?>>Go fetch Betty and get to create compatible vessels.>>Ask Rin if she would use the Second True Magic to grab some doomed Rins from parallel worlds (Will need 2d20)>>Ask Illya if it would be possible to somehow materialize the goddesses if you were to provide some assistance.>>Write-in...
>>4790786>>"...Will be forced to become a powerless maid.">>Ask Rin if she would use the Second True Magic to grab some doomed Rins from parallel worlds (Will need 2d20)
>>4790786>Will be transferred into the Kaleidosword to act as a divine battery.>Ask Rin if she would use the Second True Magic to grab some doomed Rins from parallel worlds (Will need 2d20)
"Silence!" Gilgamesh slams his foot against the floor in irritation. Angered by something. "Shinji has done me a great service, Ishtar, and I won't allow you of all people to besmirch the actions of a good man."I love our bestie Gilgamesh.
>>4790801we are officially bros, this is based
>>4790786Will be forced to become a powerless maid and >Go fetch Betty and get to create compatible vessels.
>>4790786>"...Will be forced to become a powerless maid.">Ask Rin if she would use the Second True Magic to grab some doomed Rins from parallel worlds (Will need 2d20)I hope its not too bad an ending.Femme fatale would be awful.
>>4790786>Ishtar>"...Will be forced to become a powerless maid.">"Her Authorities will be stripped off her and will be given to someone more deserving.">"Shishou will make a puppet body for her when the world is no longer in danger. There is no need to hurry.">"Thank Ereshkigal for helping Illya. Tell her you admire her efforts to make Kur a more pleasant place for the souls in her care">"She heard the conversation and the available options. She heard Gilgamesh saying she will need some sort of restraint. What does she think of them? Will she accept sharing with a Rin? And if not, what other restraints could we put upon a goddess?"Ishtar becomes a powerless puppet maid and her powers are put to a better use. Eresh is a good girl. She gets a choice.>>4790801So do I, and I never expected it.
>>4790786>>"...Will be forced to become a powerless maid.">>Go fetch Betty and get to create compatible vessels.>>Ask Rin if she would use the Second True Magic to grab some doomed Rins from parallel worlds (Will need 2d20)Let's grab some extra Rins anyways. We need more Rins.
would Rin be able to draw from Eresh and Ishtar's powers if we force them into one of Rin's bodies? Would be a pretty great power up and make her one of the strongest people we have with us
How much fun Gil is having, WhatIs?And should we bring idea about Materialization/Soul/Heaven to Illya right now?
>>4790786>"...Will be forced to become a powerless maid.">Go fetch Betty and get to create compatible vessels.
It's odd, the thing is, one Rin would get to have Eresh's powers, while the other would be forced to be a maid for Ilya.Can we do the oposite of what Ishtar was doing to Ilya? Give a Rin complete control of Ishtar's powers?
>>4790820There's no reason to give them both Rin bodies. We could have Ereshrin and a puppet Ishtar, if Eresh agrees to share.
>>4790820You'd have to convince Ishtar that was a preferable fate to being a maid for eternity.>>4790815He's having a great deal of fun right now.Probably having some of the most fun he's ever had.
>>4790822>You'd have to convince Ishtar that was a preferable fate to being a maid for eternity.>You get to be a maid forever or get to have some modicum of control and freedom, choose
Could Betty create something that looks like human and can contain goddess within itself while using all of her powers? Gods should be weak to eldritch powers.We could make host of Ishtar be able to utilize Ishtar`s power and serve Illya as another maid-bodyguard. Extra humiliating.While Ereshkigal should receive a proper body for being a good girl.But Ringacha is really tempting.
>>4790786>"...Will be forced to become a powerless maid.">Ask Rin if she would use the Second True Magic to grab some doomed Rins from parallel worlds (Will need 2d20)
All this talk about pseudos and anons aren't even willing to discuss things before we rush into meatpuppeting some Rins...>>4790842She probably could, yes. But an Ishtar with powers is an Ishtar that is not fully humiliated. Why not give them to someone else?
>>4790847I was thinking that Host of Ishtar would also be in-charge of the body while using powers of contained goddess. A very personal jailer. And the one Ishtar would be repulsed with the most.
>>4790847Its better than eternally wiggling and squirming in the Femme Fatale vore chamber forever, that poor girl is probably too mind broken to ever be normal again. I'm assuming that's the bad end Rin we're pulling.
>>4790862I've constructed a list of 15 bad ends and 5 special options
>inb4 rolling 2 20 on the dice is leads rin to summon Astarte >>4790863interesting
I might just call it here, what's winning?
I'm really split on the ringacha or betty.Fuck my gacha fetish, when are you calling QM?
>>4790863>5 special options>Prisma Illya Rin?>Oath under snow Rin?>Extra Rin? >HA Rin (because all of the timeline mixups)>El Meloi Case Files Rin? At least those are my guesses.
>>4790863>5 special optionsOh.Will it be just 2d20 or something like bo5 for each and we get to be picky?
>>4790868>>Oath under snow Rin?Pretty sure she doesn't exist in that universe, only Sakura somehow.
Oh, the thread image is Kur with flowers. That's cute.
>>4790866I'm down for calling now, this isn't some crazy convoluted vote. I think Trapping Ishtar in a bad end Rin as a maid won out.
>>4790870Sure we'll make it bo5 for each.
>>4790873which is weird because Sakura is only a Matou because Rin exists and Rin is older
>>4790866Helpless Maid and summon 2 Rins.
>>4790868prisma rin would be hilarious.>>4790879Maybe rin died early?
>>4790879Just don't think about it too hard.Anyway, let's do this.Gimme 5 2d201: SPECIAL 02: Girl Rhapsody3: Walpurgis Night4: Witch's Mark5: Night Without Dawn6: Holy Grail Completed7: Texture8: Killer9: Sword and Magic10: Heavens Fall11: Superhero12: Stone Coffin13: Womb Realm Mandala14: World Purge, Meltdown15: Horror Show16: Femme Fatale17: SPECIAL Mt18: SPECIAL EX19: SPECIAL Edl20: SPECIAL Chch
Rolled 8, 3 = 11 (2d20)>>4790884lets roll the gacha
Rolled 2, 13 = 15 (2d20)>>4790884wouldn't the two Rins want us to go back and fix their timeline? Also kinda funny that Shinji ended up saving them
Rolled 11, 15 = 26 (2d20)>>4790786>"...Will be forced to become a powerless maid.">Ask Rin if she would use the Second True Magic to grab some doomed Rins from parallel worlds (Will need 2d20)Screw it. We can always extract them later.Fucking mystery box addiction.>>4790878Time to roll some [SPECIAL] Rins and fight over which one is to pick!>>4790884Here.
Rolled 20, 12 = 32 (2d20)>>4790884
Rolled 2, 14 = 16 (2d20)>>4790884
Rolled 9, 3 = 12 (2d20)>>4790884
>>4790887damn, Superhero ending would be kinda interesting, she's kinda mindbroken since she killed Sakura and Shirou is gonna kill her
Rolled 20 (1d20)Rerolling for the Repeat options...
>>4790884I don't even know about some of those bad ends.If fox wife could separate souls so easily, we could have seperated the divinity and give it to Rin while the personality went into a puppet.Also goddamn fox wife is good. No prep and did it in seconds. We gotta reward her one of these days.
Rolled 1, 18 = 19 (2d20)>>4790895Shit, that's also a repeat and I meant to roll two.
>>4790893Yeah, that rin will be very fucked up.
>>4790895>>4790888I'm scared bros...
what's Chch? Now i'm interested>>4790899would be a good second chance since Sakura is alive and Shirou didn't become a psychopath
>>4790895>1: SPECIAL 0Zero Rin?>17: SPECIAL MtMatou Rin?>18: SPECIAL EXExtraverse?>19: SPECIAL EdlEdelfelt Rin?>20: SPECIAL ChchNo idea.
Superhero ending might be a good idea to take.She'll want to stay if only because Sakura is here.
Screw it, vote for... 2 just in general>1: SPECIAL 0>2: Girl Rhapsody>3: Walpurgis Night>8: Killer>9: Sword and Magic>11: Superhero >13: Stone Coffin>14: World Purge>15: Horror Show>18: SPECIAL EX>20: SPECIAL Chch
>>4790908>11: Superhero>20: SPECIAL ChchSuperhero will want to stay at all costs. Her guilt will demand it.20 because I'm curious.
>>4790908i wish i could remember all the bad endings just by name.time to youtube.
>>4790896Well, I tried to have a write-in with us splitting Ishtar's powers. Oh well. Would have even changed to two Rins if that's what peopleWe're talking to fox wife later today, don't worry.>No Femme FataleThank fuck. Give me a minute, I need to remember what some of those are.
Rolled 5, 8 = 13 (2d11)>>4790908dont know what any of these are, so the dice gods will decide for me.
>>479090813 and 20
>>4790911>>4790908+1, Superhero Rin will be easy to convince, she literally has nothing left, Chch Rin is interesting
>>479090811 and 20.Come on guys, Superhero Run will want to stay at all costs. She'll accept anything to stay with a Sakura.
>>4790908>Superhero>Sparks Liner HighFuck you give me my SLH kino WhatIs
>>4790884I'll reveal that Mt was Rin Matou and Edl was Rin Edelfelt.
>>4790908>11.Superhero>8.World PurgeSuperhero Rin is mindbroken, and World Purge Rin was vored.
I want to save Zero Rin because she was probably captured by Gilles.But Superhero and Chch are very interesting too.EX has already hosted Servants before and was the one in control.
>>4790908>>11: Superhero>>20: SPECIAL Chch
>>4790908>1: SPECIAL 0Hope this is loli rin, better than let her die so young.>11: Superhero Because i feel very bad for her.People will vote for whatever 20 is anyway.>>4790926is SLH rin even a option? shame
>>4790926But that's not specifically a dead end...
>>4790927we knew that
>>4790908>11: Superhero>20: SPECIAL Chch
>>4790927>Rin MatouA sister we never saved.
>>4790908>1: SPECIAL 0>20: SPECIAL Chch
>>4790927feel like Matou Rin would be easy to deal with since she would've been broken
>>4790932There is the implication that rin or sakura will die, so by going of how this multiverse shit work there is a timeline where rin died to sakura or saber alter.
Is 0 loli Rin qm?Because I'll change my vote stat. I'm not letting her get killed by fucking Gilles.
>>4790908>1: SPECIAL 0>11: Superhero
>>4790908Actually assuming 0 is cunny rin it's probably better she's savedso Special 0 and Special ChCh
>>4790945I don't see how she could possibly be anything else
>>4790908>1: SPECIAL 0>11: SuperheroFuck it, I'll change to this.These 2 need saving the most.
Somebody mind doing a tally of where vote currently stands?
>>4790908>1: SPECIAL 0>11: SuperheroChanging.
>>4790957This vote seems like a mess
>>4790908>1: SPECIAL 0>11: SuperheroChanging. Save the loli.
>>4790964Yes, it does.I might just oopsie it and give you three.
>>4790908>>4790930I’ll change my vote from 20 to 1 since you guys are saying it loli Rin
Will you tell what each rin is after the vote is called?
>>4790967People aren't even linking their old vote when they change! How the fuck do you even count that mess?
>>4790967Kotomine Rin would be a tad angry at our Rin don't you think?
>>4790908>1: SPECIAL 0For Ereshkigal.Technically a daughter?>20: SPECIAL ChchFor Ishtar.Wild card but should be best one to handle Ishtar.>>4790957Can we get a another Rin?Little girl to save and Superhero and Chch for Servants.
>>4790967do itlets save all the rins
>>4790957I think Loli Rin and Mind of Steel Rin are winning.I still love that ending.
>>47909081, 18, 20. If you're letting us have 3. Otherwise, 1 and 18.
Shinji "More Rins than Chaldea" Makiri
>>4790967Please do.Superhero for Eresh.Chch for Ishtar.And another innocent child to save.
>>4790918Changing to >>4790908>SPECIAL 0>Superhero
>>4790982What? You mean 11 right? I don't think anyone voted 18.
>>4790985Instead of rin faces, sakura faces and shirou faces we collect the actual individuals of divergent timelines rather than types that look like that character.
>>4790980its a pretty kino ending
>>4790991No, fuck 11. I want Blonde Rin.
How many timelines does Rin have access to? Infinite?Cause part of me wants to advocate saving ALL the doomed Rins.>new phenomenon of the multiverse: Rin Tohsaka no disappears when killed>some multiverse-enabled mage associations take notice of this and begin to experiment on her>An angry Shinji appears after several parallel Rins are experimentally attempt-executed>"Stop it."
1, 11 and 20 are winning
Calling in 10You can pick three if you want now. Fuck it.It's Second True Magic I ain't gotta explain shit.
>>4790999Sorry, I thought you were telling the qm what votes were winning. My bad.
>>4790908>>4790928I'll go with the Rins that have it so bad she'll accept.
>>4790957Count so far1: 128: 111: 1113: 118: 120: 7>>4791006>you can pick three nowHah good luck counting that
>>4791006I think most people agree on 1, 11 and 20.
>>4790908>>4791006>>47909510, EX and ChCh mystery boxes
>>4791001Now that would be a strange place.A alternate dimension that consists only of thousands and thousands of different versions of previously doomed versions of your friends.
>>47910061, 11 and 20
>>47910061, 11 and 20 are winning by a mile, call it already
>>4790908Adding to >>4790947>8.World Purge
>>4791016This is a Beast flag if I ever saw one
>>4791006>>4791016Can we save Rin Matou later? I think Grandpa need some extra beatings for that one.
Why pick 0 Rin? We're giving a goddess a body and this Rin would have less experience. A small body also isn't really good for a fight. Plus shinjibdoesmt really care about any Rin not his own.
>>4791020Would be a pretty kino singularity though.
>>4791023Yeah, but we clearly do.
>>4791021I fail to see why not, its not like rin will just stop being able to do it, probably.
>>4791023We're summoning 11 and 20 for this, loli Rin is just another kid we're adopting.
>>4791023i guess 0 Rin can be our daughter or something? Would be kinda weird thing to do if we ever start a relationship with Rin so maybe not >>4791025you can explain it away saying he cares about children
Rinfags are always insufferable. Was a mistake to vote for this in a new thread.
>>4791025If we cared then saving every Time in the universe is impossible. Some of these aren't even dead ends for Rin. Do we even know if this Rin is dying to Gilles? Plus she isn't likely to want to stay. We could always put her back in a different location.
>>4790908>>4791006>>4790930>>4790968I guess my vote goes to 1, 11, and 20
>>4791028That would mean he's have to save every morning the multiverse if he cares for every Rin.
>>4791030>1 post by this IDfaggot AND a coward
This is why I wanted to just give the power to Rin and split off the personality. It would have avoided further character bloat. Know we're adding three characters. One that will pretty much be useless.Also why adopt zero Rin? We could always just drop her to safety afterwards. It avoids the dead end unless the world is ending.
>>4791031>>4791038Saving already doomed versions of your friends is fine by Shinji.He doesn't have to save them all, but if there is an opportunity to save them, he will.
>>4791045So since there is an opportunity shouldn't he summon everyone on the list then?
>>4791044Would have been nice to have had some discussion about the write in earlier, but it's too late for regrets now.I suppose we'll have to decide what to do with loli Rin later on. She certainly can't be made into a pseudo.
>>4791048No, because Rin is the one doing the summoning, not him.You're just rolling because the Gacha is fun.
>>4791050Sakura can raise her sisterdaughter
>>4790985You fucking nigger, you better have some references or nods to Sparks Liner High in this quest. I fucking wish it was a main bad end instead of one like the other bad/dead ends
>>4791053>canHot way too many kids already. Let the someone else adopt her.
So Kotomine for Ishtar, Mind of Steel for Ereshkigal?
>>4791055You want Shirou to pull off a Triple Linked Crane Wings?Because he can pull that off without nuking his brain now.
>>4791030Come on now, Rin has been pretty great in this quest.That said I'd rather keep her not romantically involved>implying it's not already too late
>>4791060he's been downloading Archer's skills right?>>4791058Seems fair
>>4791060That shit is made to work against saber, not sure if that would work against another fighter.
>>4791056i just think it would be funny
>>4791058Yes.>>4791060How interesting would have Rin Matou be?You posted that image before so you must have some solid plans for it.
>>4791069Rin Matou would've been fun.
>>4791051At least expand on what all the other mystery ones would have been, how each Rin would have been planned to be and how to interact with others here based on her canon bad end route and events
>>4791075I suppose saving her later would be possible?After the war, i mean.
>>4791060That would be great, thanks, especially if Archer sees it
So vote called?
>>4791075I accept the will of dice. But my spirit is shattered now.
>>4791075>Rin Matou is still bi as fuck>Shinji threesomes Sakura and Rin Matou>our Rin lezzes out with Rin Matou later
>>4791087hot as fuck. hope she doesnt go ballistic after learning we had Kotomine killed
>>4791087She looks great in that.
So who wants to bet if Rin summons an alternate timeline Rin, the summoned one is going to instantly know we aren’t the real Shinji
>>4791090Odds are she killed him herself.
>>4791089>Rin Matou is still bi as fuck>Shinji threesomes Sakura and Rin MatouI want our Rin though, the non NPC>our Rin lezzes out with Rin Matou laterwould this be incest or masturbation? It feels narcissistic
>in the end it turned out saving one world was not enough
>>4791087Fucking hot, holy crap. Is this what would happen if Rin was more willing to accept Kotomine as her guardian and became an executioner instead of a magus? Would Gil be her servant? Based as fuck!!!!
>>4791096The second they get here they'll stop being npc's though.
>>4791094Well considering that our Sakura almost always clings on to us when she can... I'd say this is likely
Can you imagine Mind of Steel Rin showing up here, confused at all these people, and then she sees Sakura there?You think she'll throw herself at her sobbing, and begging for forgiveness?
>>4791103I want superhero Rin to be happy anons...
>>4791094Thus the seeds of suspicion and doubt are planted, and the dynamics among all the characters slip ever closer to Shinji having to reveal the Truth of Nasuverse and Isekai and Fictional Reality and a certain porn VN
>>4791106Archer already theorized that this Shinji saw how things would end for him so he changed course, i mean, its a good guess but it still doesn't explain how he's capable of high level Magecraft>>4791103second chance to make things right
>>4791103Which Rin would be the most likely to, upon hugging our Rin, doing something openly like french kiss her or grope her, in full view of our other allies?
>>4791103Probably.I can see her crying for hours.
>>4791006I still want 1, v18, 20
So Shirou was likely the one that would kill Superhero Rin I suppose?
>>4791118Yes, and illya, and anyone else that tries to stop him.
>>4791118Yes. And Church Rin probably killed everyone.
>>4791118Yes, he would have killed all of his friends to "save the world" but Fuyuki would have still burned. He's full blown Kerry.
>>4791118Shirou killed everyone somehow
Could Church Rin also be member of Burial Agency?
>>4791094There is no real Shinji to them. For all they know something changed the course of Shinji's character just like the Rins.
>>4791131>>4791126>>4791125>>4791123So we have a Rin that feels horrible guilt toward Sakura, and is probably scared shitless of Shirou.
>>4791139And think of Archer too.
>>4791139she's not gonna be in her right mind probably
>>4791139How in the hell would Shirou have won that with no servants. I call bullshit on that ending.
>>4791139More like she has a seething hatred towards him, she would have blamed everything on Shirou and hated him even more so for trying to stop her from using the grail to revive Sakura.
>>4791131>>4791145We can ask her now.
Rolled 20, 9 = 29 (2d20)>>4790884Might not count but ROLLIN
>>4791145Shirou has killed Gil in UBW and Herc in HF.
>>4791145Kirei almost certainly lent him Gilgamesh because it would be funny.
>>4791145Guerilla tactics. Dad's gun stash. Assassination.
>>4791145He just need to kill the masters that remained.
>>4791152He still needs a way to defeat Archer.Killing Rin alone would not have been enough.
>>4791151Yeah, I saw a fanfic like that. Then he gibs Gilgamesh right after he kills Heracles.
>>4791145according to Nasu, pure luck and literally no will to live
>>4791151>Gilgamesh>Rin Kotomine>Superhero>Child RinOh. He is in for something else.
>>4791145Some theorize that Kirei would have lent Gil to Shirou for the lolz like what he did with Shinji in UBW. Gil would have went along with it cause he was bored as hell cooped up in the church. Or Shirou would have used his Fujimura yakuza connections and sent a hit on the remaining Masters with modern technology. No matter what Shirou would have some how, some way ""won"".
>>4791158>Pure luck>E rank luckFuck you Nasu
>>4791159Oh yeah, Kotomine Rin might know Gilgamesh well.
>>4791151i like the fanart of Priest Shirou and fem!Gilgamesh, for some reason the duo really meshes well
>>4791155...that archer whose main goal it was for the Shirou that turned into him to die, to unmake his own being, and contract with Alaya? Seeing a Kerry!Shirou would just make him pop a half-chub, show Shirou all his best NPs and off himself
>>4791162Church Rin definitely is the master of Gil, and Gil would have liked it.
>>4791164Pretty sure that Mind of Steel Shirou is the complete opposite to what he wanted to see. He wants Shirou to give up his retarded ideals, not double down.Doubling down makes him into EMIYA Alter.
>>4791167I wonder what kills her
Hey, if we give Superhero Rin to Ereshkigal's body, wont the merge make Eresh into Sakura's best friend?Rin's guilt should make Eresh like Sakura a lot.
>>4791167Considering Ayaka, absolutely
>>4791169Basically Nasu has no fucking idea, huh?>"Luck I guess!"Hack.
>>4791172Probably, yeahI want to see how we're gonna convince Kotomine Rin to become part of a maid.
>>4791172Yeah that's the idea, Kotomine Rin having Ishtar seems kinda weird to turn into a maid though but lets see how that goes and if Illya still wants a maid
>Church Rin attacks us right away>Black Keys and all other holy magic>It does nothing to us because YHVH
>>4791179in this case we just punch her.
>>4791192>"Rejoice, Rin Kotomine!"
Do you think Kerry will want to keep doing his Hero of Justice shtick? I'm asking cause I want to know if we should give back Kerry his magic crest or have Touko and Morgan figure out how to transplant it to Shirou
>>4791198Kerry wasn't a Hero of Justice, but he gave up on even his retarded "kill the fewer people" approach after his meeting with Angra Mainyu. I imagine he pretty much lives for Illya and Shirou nowWe'll have a talk with him anyway. Tell him his kids need a father, not the Magus Killer. We can straighten him out.Crest going to Shirou will be difficult. He has no actual relation to Kerry, and even Shishou can't transplant crests. She just uses them as an outer scaffolding.
>>4791198I think after we give him Iri back he'll never lift a fucking finger again.Just accept the things he has, and let it rest.
>>4791207we have a bunch of Casters with us I think they can figure out what essentially amounts to an Organ Transplant
>>4791210If we give him Iri back we'll have to tell him that if he ever cheats on her again we'll feed him his balls.He wouldn't do it anyway, but it'll be satisfying.>>4791211I said difficult, not impossible. Time Alter Avalon Shirou will be pretty busted.
>>4791210If only he did like his version from prisma.
After our Rin lost the Shirou bowl, it's time to give her a harem of Rin maids.
>>4791226We will just adopt child Rin with our Rin.
>>4791224>>4791218>>4791197We should definitely open up with this. It's Shinji's off day, why not have some fun?
>>4791229>sleeping with an older version of your daughter >raising a younger version of your wifewhat the fuck dude
>>4791235Are you retarded? We arnt going after Rin.
>>4791233I was just going to post that.I find it funny thats the only version of kirei that dont end up dead and can work in society.
>>4791235Not even that outrageous. Just look at the rest of harem.>>4791242Summoning RIn out off Today`s Menu for Emiya Family would have been the most strange experience.
>>4791244>Summoning RIn out off Today`s Menu for Emiya Family would have been the most strange experience.Oh yeah, we dont need to touch that timeline, everyone is happy there.
>>4791244i mean, sure man why not>>4791240yes we are
>>4791246Truly the best timeline.
>>4791246>>4791248WhatIs already confirmed that every Medusa gets her sisters back and Three Faces skill at some point after getting summoned.
>>4791240Where was it confirmed that we aren't going after rin?
I wonder what would happen to the Zero timeline if they think Loli Rin is dead.Kariya would lose his shit even faster. Tokiomi would certainly get fucking mad. Would he try to get Sakura back, since Rin isn't the heir anymore?
>>4791256It wasnt confirmed that we are either
>>4791257i assume that would be the timeline where she gets fucking killed by Gilles before Rin steps in to save her
>>4791246>the Emiya Gohan Rin Dead End is just a cool baa-chan because she the only ded there is "passes away peacefully of old age"
"While Ishtar will be forced to become a powerless maid." You grin at the bottle, you don't actually know if Ishtar ccan actually see you or not, but it changes nothing, she should be able to tell what sort of expression you've got on your face, just from the tone of your voice. "You... You wouldn't dare, you... you little worm!" Ishtar seethes, and it only makes your grin grow wider and wider. Seeing her in such a powerless state after what she tried to do, despairing at the fate that awaits her is quite... cathartic. To know what she was plotting to do to Illya for the sake of vengeance upon Gilgamesh and Enkidu, two people who's lives were already ruined by her meddling and selfishness"You should be thankful for his mercy, if it were up to me, I would've ensured you received punishment from the harshest devices of torture contained within my vaults." There's a dangerous edge to Gilgamesh's voice as he threatens Ishtar, seems like he wasn't kidding about not wanting Ishtar to insult you anymore. Guess... Guess that answers the question as to whether or not Gilgamesh considers you a friend or not too, huh? Well, you suppose that that's probably the best outcome for all this, not that you'd have ever expected Gilgamesh to even consider having another friend after he turned down Iskandar... Then again, with Enkidu around again...Ishtar grits her teeth in seething rage, but chooses to hold her tongue. Gilgamesh is very much serious about his threats to her, he would very much like nothing more than for Ishtar to finally get what she deserves, and though they are more subdued than Gilgamesh, Enkidu is staring at the bottle with eyes of hatred. His dislike of Ishtar is actually almost certain to be even greater than even Gilgamesh's own hatred. It's one thing to hate the person who took your friend away from you, it's another thing entirely to hate the person who had you killed for no reason other than a petty desire for revenge. He's not showing it, but Enkidu is almost certainly fuming about the fact that Ishtar placed a curse upon the world itself just in an attempt to spoil any reunion that he and Gilgamesh might have managed through being summoned as Heroic Spirits."Now, Rin... I think the best option here would be for you to... experiment with bringing forth doomed versions of yourself, now... can you select them or...?" You're curious as to the limits of the Kaleidosword right now, and where Rin's power is currently at in regards to the Second True Magic.
"They'll be mostly... random, though I can at least apply a condition that it will only bring forth versions of myself seconds prior to them being lethally wounded or otherwise giving up the will to live." Rin reveals that her level of experience doesn't actually allow her to bring forth specifics Rins just yet, but the fact that she's confident in being able to do this at all is really quite impressive. "Now let's get this started, shall we...?" Rin takes what seems to be a small red dagger out from her jacket."Rin... What is that...?" The dagger looks quite a bit different to anything you were expecting her to wield."Oh, this is the Kaleidosword! I managed to create a new mode of operation for it, the weapon you're used to seeing is the Combat form of the blade, whereas I like to call this utility mode! What's more, I don't have to fully transform myself in order to use it!" Rin is very happy with her progress with the weapon. "Now! Kaleidosword: Utility Equip!" True to Rin's words, she doesn't end up in the uniform of a magical girl, and remains Rin Tohsaka instead of transforming into Kaleido Ruby, however, the 'partial transformation' she was talking of is very obvious. The two cat ears on top of her head in addition to the cat tail that she is trying her hardest to ignore, despite the tail moving excitedly. Looks like Rin is feeling a little more excited about being given the opportunity to show off her power than she really wants to let on.She plunges the small dagger into the floorboards of the room. "Establishing Connection. External Branches Locked. Searching for Targets. Two... Three Targets Found. Targets Locked. Beginning Miracle of Extradimensional Relocation in Five, Four, Three, Two... One!" Everyone watches in mute awe as they observe Rin wielding the Second True Magic like a pro. Even Gilgamesh seems to be impressed by the magic when he realizes just what it is that Rin is using it for, and that it wasn't simply hot air.There's a flash of bright light, and when the light clears, you can see... three Rin. Three Rin instead of two. The first of the Rin is the least remarkable, she's slumped down on the floor in a heap, staring straight downwards. She probably hasn't even noticed that she's been transported yet. The second of the Rins is visibly confused, and it's plain to see why. This Rin can't be any older than eight years old. So... was this one doomed during the events of Zero? That's... sad. You're glad that Rin seems to have made an exception to saving this particular version of herself instead of simply allowing her to be killed, most likely by Gilles.
The third Rin however is the most unexpected Rin of all, clad in a tattered looking executor's uniform, with three black keys in both hand, and kneeling with multiple bleeding injuries. She's the first to respond to her sudden change in location. "Where... Where is my Father?!" Her voice is full of anger, and clearly not concern or worry. But, her father...? "Where is Kirei Kotomine?!" Oh. Oh boy. She gets to her feet and scans the room for threats, before she is immediately stunned by the presence of one particular person, no, it's not herself. It's... "Gilgamesh?! How are you still alive?!" Rin is clearly scared of Gilgamesh for whatever reason."Ho? I died in the world you came from? How?" Gilgamesh sounds more amused by the fact that another version of himself managed to get himself killed than anything else. His pride not allowing him to even believe in his own defeat. Still as prideful as ever, it seems, even if his encounter with Enkidu humbled him slightly."...A Holy Scripture was used to defeat you. The Burial Agency was informed of your presence in Fuyuki, and they were sent to dispatch you." Rin tells Gilgamesh what happened, and Gilgamesh frowns slightly. Clearly not happy with the fact that another version of himself managed to allow himself to be defeated by the Church of all people. But that's as good a reminder as any that the Burial Agency is under no circumstances to be underestimated."A pity that a parallel version of myself was slain, but no matter. They were likely simply too careless." Gilgamesh doesn't seem to care that much about his dead parallel version."This... This is a parallel world...?" It finally seems to sink in for Rin Kotomine just what happened, and she locks eyes to the Rin with cat ears. Pointing her black keys at her. "And to think I would see a version of myself who remained a heretic moments after my father betrayed me. What a cruel joke, at the very least, I'll get rid of this mockery!" Rin Kotomine seems to prepare herself to attack her alternate self before she found herself unable to move at all, as if the space around her was frozen. You look over to a certain pointy-eared witch who was clearly responsible."I'd put those down if I were you, girl." Medea chimes in from the side. "You should probably take stock of your current surroundings. This isn't a fight that you can win under any circumstances, now, put the blades down, and we'll all be able to talk properly." Medea warns Rin Kotomine, who begrudgingly allows the black keys to fall from her hands to the floor.
"Uhm... Excuse me, where exactly am I?" The youngest Rin in the room sounds confused. "I went looking for one of my friends, but then it all went dark, and... I was suddenly here?" You make a conscious effort to resist attempting to pat the tiny Rin on the head. The other Rins certainly wouldn't approve of it. The third Rin however is still motionless, almost static, having seemingly already given up on the will to live at all. She isn't responding even to the noises around her. She must've assumed she's lost her mind, if you had to guess why she wasn't acting as if anybody else was in the room.>Talk to Rin Kotomine first. (Say what?)>Talk to Young Rin first. (Say what?)>Talk to Broken Rin first. (Say what?)>Write-in...>>Also, choose the two girls you want to serve as hosts for Ereshkigal and Ishtar.
Jesus, poor Broken Rin.Also, Kirei was gonna kill his own daughter Rin. How fucking precious.
>>4791288>Ask Enkidu to talk to the Young Rin, he seems like he'd be good with children>Talk to the Broken Rin>Church Rin for Ishtar>Broken Rin for Eresh
>>4791288Tell little rin, I'm your father now. Also we need to romance Enkidu
>>4791288>>Write-in...>Headpat all the Rins. >Have Sakura go over to Broken Rin and give her a hug and talk to her.>Pick up Young Rin and declare "This is mine now, I'm adopting her." >>>Also, choose the two girls you want to serve as hosts for Ereshkigal and Ishtar.Have Betty make two new bodies and just keep all the Rins.
>>4791288>>4791293Supporting this. Seems cute.
>>4791288>>Headpat all the Rins. >>Have Sakura go over to Broken Rin and give her a hug and talk to her.>>Pick up Young Rin and declare "This is mine now, I'm adopting her.">Church for Ishtar>Broken for Eresh
>>4791288>Talk to the Broken Rin with Sakura and our Rin.>After that ask Rin Kotomine to try to attacking you with Holy Energy to prove you are on the mission from God and she could be of help.>Let Medea and Tamamo handle Young Rin and take her to other children for now. You will speak with her after you are done here.>Church Rin for Ishtar>Broken Rin for Eresh
>>4791288>>4791293supporting but adding>headpat the broken rin
>>4791304adding >After that ask Rin Kotomine to try to attacking you with Holy Energy to prove you are on the mission from God and she could be of help.
>>4791305>>4791288+1, i kinda feel bad for Broken Rin now holy shit
>>4791293>>4791288Support with headpat.
Man, poor Church Rin.
>>4791313seems like it would make for a pretty interesting Interlude
>>4791288>Headpat all the Rins. >Tell young Rin she's among friends and she shouldn't worry. We'll make sure she'll be alright.>Ask our Rin if she can send young Rin back, but return at her home instead of the place where she took her from.>Have Sakura go over to Broken Rin and give her a hug and talk to her.>Ask Rin Kotomine why her father was going to kill her.
>>4791313We should have Rin stay here and take Young Rin with us to go find Archer. Then be like "Oh no, Archer! Something happened to Rin!" and show him Young Rin.
>>4791313There's a Broken Rin that gave up on life literally a meter away from her.
Rinfags are fucking insufferable. Quest turns shit every time they get their chance.
>>4791319>>4791311>>4791288FUCK, now we absolutely have to do that, adding to my vote>>4791322so is it just one samefag or is Rin actually that unpopular? I've always loved her
>>4791288Actually, switch >>4791317 to support >>4791305It's better and I didn't notice it
>>4791323You rinfags always samefaging to get your way. Fuck off.
>>4791288>>Talk to the Broken Rin with Sakura and our Rin.>>After that ask Rin Kotomine to try to attacking you with Holy Energy to prove you are on the mission from God and she could be of help.>>Let Medea and Tamamo handle Young Rin and take her to other children for now. You will speak with her after you are done here.>>Church Rin for Ishtar>ask her about it>>Broken Rin for Eresh>ask her about itthe same as >>4791305 but with some shit for asking then first if it isnt implied.
>>4791323Pretty sure its the same shitposter, just ignore him.
>>4791288And switching again from >>4791317 and >>4791325 to support >>4791331
>>4791323you do know that's batman right?
>>4791288>>Headpat all the Rins.>>Talk to the Broken Rin with Sakura and our Rin.>>After that ask Rin Kotomine to try to attacking you with Holy Energy to prove you are on the mission from God and she could be of help.>>Ask Enkidu to talk to the Young Rin, he seems like he'd be good with childrenI feel super tempted to add this anon’s >>4791319 prank on Archer but maybe it can wait for later after loli Rin’s more settled >>Church Rin for Ishtar>>Broken Rin for Eresh
>>4791288>>4791331add>headpat all rinsto my vote.
>>4791336No I'm batman
Did you enjoy rolling on the Rin Gacha?
>>4791342>>4791288support illyafag headpat edition
>>4791344kinda wanted to save femme fatale Rin but Church Rin is kinda based so eh
>>4791344I've always hated the gacha. This quest has only made me hate it more.At least it wasn't Femme Fatale
>>4791348But you got the 5 Star Limited SSR Church Rin and Zero Rin!
>>4791344need more rins
It's not character bloat if they are all the same character.
>>4791350But we didn't get 5* Limited SSR Blonde Rin
>>4791344>>4791350Also, illya gacha when?
>>4791350And what will we even do with them? How the fuck do we convince church Rin to become a maid like the anons wanted?And I hope we don't end up adopting Zero Rin if we can send her back at a safe location. I wonder what we could tell her about the future to completely derail the 5th without encouraging her to do something suicidal.
>>4791350And all we're doing with that one is turning her into a worthless maid
>>4791356We'll get her in a few updates though.
>>4791361Please for the love of god don't. The last thing we need is five copies of every character running around. That's how you get an eternal carnival.
>>4791360>And what will we even do with them? How the fuck do we convince church Rin to become a maid like the anons wanted?Well the good news about Church Rin is that your Rin kind of doesn't give a shit about her for trying to immediately attack her.
>>4791372So we're just meatpuppeting her by force? That makes us just as bad as Ishtar.
>>4791368Eternal Carnival you say...
>>4791376Well you haven't actually talked to Church Rin yet.It's just that Rin would've been more uncomfortable if you tried to make a non asshole Rin into Ishtar Rin.
>>4791368if i have the chance to save illyas obviously i will>>4791376I am all for just letting her back if she dont want it, but we need to talk to her first before deciding anything.
>>4791372fucking based, now we can get away with anything with her now, Sakura can convince Broken Rin to install Eresh, would probably be for the better too
>>4791378You wanna tell how each Rin in >>4790884 would have been? The ones we didn't get? Spill your plans for them, give us the content
>>4791360This is why I'm saying, fuck it. Have Betty make bodies, and just keep the Rins.
>>4791384That's a lot of Rins, anon...
>>4791376actually it doesn't at all>>4791386I want Ishtarin and Ereshrin you see
So what is winning?
>>4791389Betty has Azathoth's Authority of Creation. I'm pretty sure she can make perfect empty Rin bodies for them.
>>4791392My plans for each Rin were only protoplasmic in origin, to only come to reality should they have been chosen.Then I would've properly developed on the ideas I had for them.
>>4791394why'd we even bothering teleporting in Rins then?
>>4791395Why no Sparks Liner High Rin?
>>4791387Dont do it.
>>4791380That at least is true. I still don't see how we can convince her though.>>4791382>if i have the chance to save illyas obviously i willWe can't save everyone in the multiverse. We should prioritize the people in our own world.>I am all for just letting her back if she dont want it>Become a meatpuppet or we send you back to be killed by your father.Sounds like intimidation, doesn't it? But anyway, let's talk to her first, yes.>>4791386And then you'll say we keep the bodies too and have Touko make puppets. Or maybe try the Rin gacha again. You just want more Rins, don't you?
>>4791397Not specifically a Dead End.It's also not really that much different from Femme Fatale if Rin fails.
>>4791396Well, I voted for it because I wanted more Rins and a shot at Blonde Rin.
What's winning anyway?
>>4791403>and a shot at Blonde Rinso Eresh
>>4791409He meant Extra RinThe one Rin in the multiverse who can use a Blu-ray Recorder.Because she's not actually even really Rin.
>>4791401>And then you'll say we keep the bodies too and have Touko make puppets.Why? If we guide Betty into making blank Rins, they won't be people, they'll just be bodies that look like Rin. >>4791409Nah, I wanted Extra Rin.
>>4791305>>4791288Support.>>4791408I think above is what is winning, I think you can call the vote now if you want.
>>4791411would those meatpuppets even effect Ishtar and Eresh's personality? If they do, then this felt like kind of a waste
>>4791414Not sure. Betty can recreate souls though, so it's possible we could set them up to effect personality with Touko, Rin and the Casters helping.
>>4791408I think it's this >>4791305, with a few anons voting to ask them first and/or headpat all rins>>4791414Who knows? We didn't explore the option. That's why we should discuss things before we do them. Too late now. We're stuck with the extra Rins.
>>4791418>We're stuck with the extra Rins.We can always keep the extra Rins and do it anyways. Especially if they don't want to become Psuedo-Servants. Church Rin would be cool to have around.
>>4791418Ok then... Subvote.Ask First?Y/NHeadpat All?Y/N
>>4791423>Ask First?>Y>Headpat All?>Y
>>4791423Yes to both
>>4791418its not a waste because its better than letting then die.>>4791423Yes Yes
And which one of you was this?>>>/a/221629317
>>4791422I'll admit I'm warming up to the idea, but I'm worried this'll open the Rin floodgates and we'll end up with more than a dozen of them.Or if not Betty, ask Touko and Morgan if they can do something similar.>>4791423>Ask First?Y. Of course>>4791423N. I don't think they'd appreciate it right away.
>>4791428Shinji Makiri did that.
>>4791427>its not a waste because its better than letting then die.And when do we stop if we start thinking that way? A hundred saved Rins? A thousand? A million? Do we just fill the planet with copies of our friends?>>4791428Heh. Been a while since I saw one of these. But one year? That's too little.
>>4791428you did it
>>4791434Do we just fill the planet with copies of our friends?Yes.
>>4791423Yeah on both
>>4791434>Heh. Been a while since I saw one of these. But one year? That's too little.I stopped making them after I started running the quest.
>>4791434No, i mean in this situation, it isnt a waste that we summoned the rins because its better than letting then die, not that we will try to save all.
>>47914281 year is a little too late, the best you can do is try to fix you shit with sakura and not die.
>>4791440the thread honestly isn't as fun if its only a year before the 5th HGW, there's very little you can do
>>4791444It would be like the speed run of vanilla Fate like we did probably.
>>4791442While I'm not entirely against keeping the inferior Rins, I'm worried this'll just open the floodgates. Especially after the haste of the decision to summon them. Anons can't possibly resist the lure to summon more.
>>4791423yy>>4791428Here we go again
You writting qm?
>>4791445it would still be interesting trying to repair shit with sakura and maybe help shirou.>>4791448It depends of the QM, he can just say no.
>>4791448I want to summon Wand!Shirou and Teddy Bear!Shirou.
>>4791423NNChurch Rin will say no then we send her back to die. Of course we won't tell her we're sending her to die but tell her we're sending her back.Broken Rin will probably be unresponsive unless it's Sakura.Headlats will only be good for little Rin. The others don't know you and your getting in their personal space. Church Rin is going to cut that hand off.
>>4791453>he can just say no.WhatIs has literally never said no. We'll have to start policing ourselves at some point, we're acting like a kid at a candy store all the time.
>>4791457>SakuraIsTheQMI knew it. I bet QM would vore us all if we upset her.
Good thing about that thread is that its an excuse to shill this quest, now i'm starting to suspect that QM did make that thread>>4791453yeah but that's not really as fun, you're just warning people and getting them to do stuff, having a decade to prep is probably the most entertaining aspect in a normal isekai'd as Shinji scenario
>>4791455>Church Rin is going to cut that hand off.not like it would be any hard for us to fix our own hand.She isnt that dumb to try anything and medea is holding her.
>>4791463Yeah, but it would be something different, it would be also quite harder if we dont go with any extra power.
>>4791448Too late for it now, once you headpat the lost puppy, you can't just throw it back on the streets.
>>4791460>Upseting SakuraWhy would we ever do such a thing?!
>>4791466I don't think she'd cut our hand off, or that we'd care if she did. But I don't believe she'll appreciate it if we headpat her right now. And catatonic Rin will either not respond, or recoil
>>4791471We literally upset her this morning when we used her deepest fears in rapid succession to get her to accept equality in the harem. She almost cried, anon. We still haven't made it up to her.
>>4791476Look, if we headpat Young Rin, all the other Rin will want headpats too. We have to be fair.
>>4791479>We still haven't made it up to her.we're making it up to her tonight
>>4791482Objection: That... That's not how this works. At all.
Where the fuck is BB
>>4791487are you actually autistic? it was a joke
>>4791479She's gonna get her Heaven's Feel soon, and you know it. We've been long, long overdue for an H scene.
>>4791487>headpat church Rin>"Yorokobe, shoujo! You have been granted a second chance at life!"
>>4791487We dont really run on logic here.Let us headpat the girls, it aint going to cause the end of the world.>>4791489good question.
>>4791495>tfw she is kidnapping our children
>>4791466So you wish to force a catatonic Rin and a Rim that considers magus heretics to accept headpats?Just why? God this is just reminding people how retarded Shinji is.
>>4791499I thought it would be funny to taunt Catholic Rin and the headpat for Broken Rin would be more of a "its ok I swear" sorta thing
>>4791499its headpats i aint gotta explain shit
>>4791499>God this is just reminding people how retarded Shinji is.He's not retarded.He's special.
>>4791502Catatonic Rin likely dislike Shinji if she wasn't under all the depression. Taunting catholic Rin just to do it is just unnecessary. Especially when we're asking her to do something.
>>4791506i cant wait for us to get to discount Hogwarts
Headpats with Charisma B are our most effective weapon.Possible tsun from church Rin will be a welcome change too.
>>4791491It is literally the name I chose to samefag under. But why do you think I was any more serious?>>4791492I hope for that too, but I'll believe it when I see it. There's always time for a meme vote to stop her like yesterday.>>4791493We're not telling her to rejoice? What the fuck?>>4791495>Let us headpat the girlsIt's not like I'm stopping anyone, Illyafren. That's exactly what we'll be doing. Can't I just disagree in peace?>>4791506Oh, god. And people trust us to lead them.>>4791513So say we all.
I say at least speak with Church Rin for a while, find out how she was raised, and what's her deal.Of course, Broken Rin is the more important right now. Don't want her to have another mental breakdown.
>>4791506Interlude on what Shinji thinks about all those voices in his head?
>>4791524Yeah, it's in the Carnival, you keep not voting for it.
Dropped my tripcode.
>>4791525Hey man I just want my Eva crossover
>>4791519>following a bunch of schizos on taiwanese dance lessons forumPoor bastards.
>>4791519Eh, we've just kidnapped a bunch of girls to blackmail them into becoming our servants or die, Kirei would be happy desu.Also I really want to say the phrase in front of everyone, sorry.
So are we going to get married to our wives after the war?
>>4791533I would suggest waiting for after we save the world, yes. We can't rush the wedding(s?).
>>4791533well polygamy and incest are illegal so maybe not
>>4791537>illegal>richest man in the worldDo you think lobbying doesn't exist in Japan, anon?
>>4791537>illegalWe will make it legal. Have our King marry us if we must.
>>4791539That would still take years to do>>4791540At that point Mordred would throw in her legitimacy as rightful King of England which kinda ruins Clock Tower arc
>>4791543I think I understand now where the disconnect is. Why do you assume our wedding will be public to the normies? Why do you assume we care what Japan's paperwork says? We can have our King marry us in our garden, have everyone we care about attend the wedding, and not give a fuck about making it more official until we've taken over the world.
>>4791543If we were a regular run of the mill millionaire, maybe, but we have more money than the Japanese government spends in a year, AND the underworld wrapped around our finger. We say jump, the Diet jumps.
>>4791549> fund SAO
>>4791548sounds good yeah
>>4791551That's just EXTRA.
>>4791556I'll make you dead.
>>4791559Pls no, I luv u
>>4791559By my command seal, I command thee. WRITER finish the update!
>>4791572actually you bring up a good point. What happened to his command seals after he died. We didn't just leave it there for Manaka to pickup right?
>>4791580The QM told us it was wasted because rin just killed him or something.
>>4791580>>4791584Don't worry, Gil has an infinite supply of them in his Gate of Babylon.
Looking at the Broken Rin is enough to make your heart hurt just a little bit, and while you want to explain things to the confused younger Rin, you understand that right now it's important that you see the broken Rin first. "Tamamo, Medea, could you... handle the young Rin for me? Just... go and take her to the other children. I'll speak to her when I'm done here." You command the two Casters to take the young Rin out of the room, and the two Casters comply to your orders, the small Rin is simply too confused by the whole situation to even struggle or protest much at all, you even pat her on the head to receive no response from the girl herself, but Rin does give you an annoyed glance for doing such a thing, oh well. "Rin, Sakura... I think we need to talk to the other Rin." Seriously, this girl pretty clearly needs some help."Sakura..." You hear the Broken Rin mumble Sakura's name after you speak it, though she doesn't look up. Still too lost in her own sorrow. You... don't know what timeline that Rin dragged this Rin out from, but this is just... heartbreaking to see. Your Rin is pretty shaken as she looks at the Broken Rin as well, no matter what her thoughts might've been on things before, she's probably already considering the decision to try to help other versions of herself to be the right one.Sakura has thankfully reverted back to her normal form now, and follows you over to the Broken Rin sitting on the floor with her hair obscuring her face. "Rin. Look at me, It's Shinji." Rin doesn't move for some time, before eventually she moves her head upwards to stare at you. "But... Didn't Shirou... kill you?" Ouch, that's really not a good start to things, and it gives you all the information you need to know just where this Rin comes from, the Mind of Steel ending, the one where Shirou turned his heart to stone and walked the path of a 'superhero'. "In your timeline, perhaps, but not in this one. In fact, I doubt that I'm anything like the Shinji you knew, on account of the differences in timelines. But... more importantly. Sakura... Give your sister a hug." Sakura hesitates and looks a little bit awkward about things, before she kneels down and slowly hugs Rin."Sakura..." Rin says the name of her sister again. you feel dreadful for this Rin. She must've been so utterly consumed by regret by what she did that in the end, Shirou killing her was probably more something done out of pity for the girl than it was to actually win the war. This Rin... This Rin is of no threat to anybody. Consumed by regret and fear. Hesitantly, you reach out a hand and gently pat the Broken Rin on the head. Rin would normally have protested, but it seems that she's so caught up in the moment of being hugged by Sakura, that she doesn't.
>>4791524BLINDING MY SIGHT IN A CURTAIN OF RED
"Hey, other me." You stop patting the Broken Rin on the head as the other Rin approaches to kneel down and stare at the sobbing Rin. "I don't really know what sort of hardship you went through in the world I took you from, but... It's OK now, alright? Everything here is... OK." Well, other than the potential end of reality coming up, but sure. In fact you'd even go so far as to say that it's better than OK, and is nearly perfect. A perfect world that you have created. You decide to let the two sisters deal with the Broken Rin, and turn your attention to the last Rin, no longer bound by any sort of magic, and instead prevented from action simply by Gilgamesh's presence."Rin... Kotomine, I take it?" You already basically know the basic idea behind this girl. It's clearly a Rin who was adopted by Kotomine fully after the end of the Fourth War, possibly as a result of the Fourth War leaving the Tohsaka penniless, and Rin having nowhere else to go. Regardless, it seems like this Rin learned to consider Kirei Kotomine as her father, which would've only sharpened the pain at his inevitable betrayal of her."That's right, Shinji Matou, in my world, you were the Master of Archer. You were quite close to her until she was crushed by Berserker while trying to keep you safe." Rin states matter of factly, not exactly bothered by your presence. Clearly she doesn't consider you to be even close to the most important person in the room to be paying attention to. Ah well, that's her mistake."Wrong." You correct the Executor. Looks like she definitely met a version of you in her previous life. "I'm Shinji Makiri. I gave up the Matou name after I banished Zouken." Now, that visibly impresses the Church Executor, though she doesn't say anything about it. "I was given a mission from God, and I'm... a different sort of individual from the one you may have known. If you don't believe me though, try striking me with a Black Key." Black Keys are quite simply just solidified holy energy, so with any luck, you'll directly absorb the attack."I dislike being asked to attack somebody on request, but if you're telling the truth, I suppose I have no choice but to listen to you." Rick flicks another hilt of a Black Key into her hands and quickly forces the blade to manifest by pumping her magical energy into it. "I hope for your sake that you're not lying about this though." Rin suddenly thrusts forwards with her Black Key, and you're impressed by her martial skill, she's pretty good! That's what a life of combat training as an Executor will do for you, you suppose, and Rin has even more potential as an Executor than even Kotomine himself did. This Rin is a very dangerous person.
The black key strikes you just on your left forearm. A strike that wasn't meant to be at all lethal, yet it fails all the same. Instead of piercing your flesh and cutting through bone, the black key simply dissolves the moment it touches your body. Rin pulls away in alarm before inspecting the now sundered black key. "Do you believe me now? God... he chose me to save this world." You whisper so that only Rin can hear you. Rin Kotomine looks at you with enraptured attention, good, you've managed to properly get her engaged. Now... Now comes the difficult part. You consider patting her on the head too, but... probably not a good move right now.>"How would you like the power of a goddess on your side?">"How would you like to help rehabilitate a rogue goddess?">"Rejoice young girl! For your wish shall finally be granted! I uh... I mean I want to know how you'd feel about being a host of a Goddess.">"Tell me about yourself, Rin. Tell me about your life.">Write-in...
>>4791607>>"Tell me about yourself, Rin. Tell me about your life.">>"How would you like to help rehabilitate a rogue goddess?"I feel like this eases into things and doesn't make us come off as a psychopath
>>4791607>>"Rejoice young girl! For your wish shall finally be granted! I uh... I mean I want to know how you'd feel about being a host of a Goddess.">"But before that, tell me about yourself, Rin. Tell me about your life."We just cant pass this opportunity up.
>>4791607>"How would you like to help rehabilitate a rogue goddess?"
>>4791607>"Rejoice young girl! For your wish shall finally be granted! I uh... I mean I want to know how you'd feel about being a host of a Goddess."
>>4791607>>"Tell me about yourself, Rin. Tell me about your life.">"How would you like to help rehabilitate a rogue goddess?".>"Can I head pat you?"
>>4791605>in my world, you were the Master of Archer. You were quite close to her until she was crushed by Berserker while trying to keep you safewonder who that was now
I wanna ask who archer was. Must be quite someone to deal with OG Shinji.
>>4791624maybe it was Tomoe
>>4791607Last update for tonight QM or one more?
>>4791627>>4791629Last yes gnightI don't think you ever figured out all the clay figure servants.You could also maybe think of a Concept for Eresh.
I'm very excited to see the whiplash Broken Rin will have when she sees the differences between her Shinji and this Shinji, also excited to see Kotomine Rin, Rin and Ciel hangout
>>4791645Would Life fuck her up?
>>4791645Would the concept be implanted on Eresh, or on Eresh+Rin?
>>4791607>>4791608Support. Best way to go about this.
>>4791661also could Rin draw from Kotomine Rin's abilities? She's pretty strong
>>4791661Maybe Heaven could be good here instead of for Ilya? For fixing up her Underworld to be better, her being the dual opposite/complementer of Ishtar's Queen of Heaven thing, maybe letting her be more complete herself. She already has afterlife stuff.
>>4791645>You could also maybe think of a Concept for Eresh.Rin
>>4791621I'm very curious too. Nobu, maybe?>>4791645No we didn't. Not enough info for some. We'll have to ask Merlin.And I say we wait for the concept. I can't really think of anything, really.>>4791651Nothing compared to the whiplash of seeing Sakura alive. Or the PTSD of coming across Shirou.>>4791671I can see how Heaven would fit Eresh, yeah.
Hm.Would having betty make empty rin bodies, putting then inside and then putting the concept of "rin" on it work the same as putting then in rin?
>>4791607>>4791608Support. >>4791601As I was reading this. The only thing I thought fitting to play. The only thing I listened to and the only thing that I felt was worth playing. Was Grief from Fate/Zero. I suppose you could say its a bit fitting.
>>4791681we really should've come up with this before we brought in more Rins
Eresh should get something that helps with creating the paradise she wanted.
>>4791681Might be worth trying.
>>4791685This is why I suggested Heaven, Paradise by itself can also work, I guess? Since she should be one with her underworld due to authority.
>>4791684Yes. Yes we should have. I really wish we start thinking about the consequences of our actions beyond a single update.
So.....what will we do with the Young Rin?If we are going to send her back then......it feels almost wrong to do so. Are we perhaps going to Adopt her. 4th times the charm right ;) though....should we do this. Will we still call her Rin. Or will we give her another name.
>>4791681I don't think the "Rin" concept would have any soul to attach itself to, so it would probably only create a more "Rin-like" body. Similarly how we probably can't clone people by attaching a "Shirou" concept to a rock for example. It probably wouldn't sprout a Shirou soul, if there is even such a thing without our guidance and mind to select for it.
>>4791688Well, enjoy your Rin Menagerie.The plural term for Rins is still Rin.At least your Zero Rin will probably have a better childhood if you don't just send her back.
>>4791681We can only do it for one of them. No repeat concepts. And the concept of Rin sounds like it would obliterate the original goddess and replace her with another rin.And can we maybe talk about what we want to do with Ishtar? Because I don't think having Ishtarin Kotomine as a maid is a viable option. This Rin doesn't deserve it, and Ishtarin will be a different person that even Gilthinkd tolerate.
>>4791703I'm still up for having Betty make Rin bodies and seeing how that works. If anything, we just put a bunch of seals or something on Ishtar to keep her out of trouble. >>4791701>At least your Zero Rin will probably have a better childhood if you don't just send her back.We are keeping all the Rin, especially the Tiny Rin and the Sad Rin and the Church Rin.
>>4791703Technically, she could work part-time as a maid if Ishtar agreed to share the body in timeslots.
>>4791607>>4791611>>"Rejoice young girl! For your wish shall finally be granted! I uh... I mean I want to know how you'd feel about being a host of a Goddess.">"But before that, tell me about yourself, Rin. Tell me about your life."Well, I have to go with this after the shitposting.
>>4791707That may work.
I don't really enjoy the idea of Rin Kotomine being bullied by others because of Ishtar.
>>4791701>enjoy your Rin Menagerie.Don't encourage them, or we'll really need a menagerie in the end.I think we should ask our Rin what to do with her younger self. She remembers what it was like. We can give zero Rin a happier childhood, but is it really for the best to essentialy kidnap her away from her Shirou and her Sakura? Perhaps we should give her some glimpses at the walkthrough and trust her to do what we did with a normal 5th war?Would be a kino interlude for sure>>4791707Not a bad idea.
>>4791719That's exactly what I've been saying about maid Ishtarin all along. No Rin would have deserved that.
>>4791720>but is it really for the best to essentialy kidnap her away from her Shirou and her Sakura?You're right. We should kidnap her Shirou and her Sakura.
>>4791720>but is it really for the best to essentialy kidnap her away from her Shirou and her Sakurashe was going to die
>>4791727And then Kirei and Gil win. We doom that world. That Taiga and that Waver and that Illya and everyone else. Think things through, please. That way lies only madness.
>>4791720I like the idea of making her Alitheia's personal maid (read childhood friend).
>>4791730And it was right to save her. But it is not right to keep her when we can send her home safely.
If this timeline wasn't locked off to him, he'd have shown up personally at this point.
>>4791736>>4791732First its why bother saving worlds, now its please think not to doom the other world? meh.
>>4791735If we keep her we have to adopt her. Making her Alitheia's maid instead of her sister would be too cruel..
>>4791736Too late. We've already given her headpats. Her original timeline won't take her back. >>4791742Why?
>>4791742Why is he locked out again? Shouldn't our timeline basically be always confirmed, so his non-interference thing doesn't matter? Or did someone force him out and I forgot?
>>4791747Rin keeps fucking with the Second Magic and reality is about to get destroyed, he'd need to get involved
Also, I just realized. Do the two Rins also have extra Tohsaka Crests?
>>4791748Someone is keeping him out.
>>4791742Naturally. I our Rin is his greatest pupil thanks to us. No one else has pulled off what she just did.>>4791743What do you want us to do then? Why? And why will the cost be acceptable?>>4791748Reread Nyarly's carnival moment. He's keeping Zelretch out.
>>4791751Technically, all three of them have the Tohsaka Crest, even Rin Kotomine, who doesn't use it at all.
>>4791736To be serious for a moment, they are Rin's doubles, she should have the final say in what to do with them.>>4791732What's another doomed world in a myriad of possibilities? You've invited madness the moment you've started to care about them at all.
>>4791762All you need to do is ask, and Nyarla would take this form.
>>4791758>What do you want us to do then? Why? And why will the cost be acceptable?I want to keep the Rins, they are already here I couldn't care less about the other Worlds that may or may not be doomed by it, as there are already uncountable fucktons only in this Tree of Time, not even looking at others.Maybe Zero Rin will try the original Nagato method of Martial Artsing to the Root instead.
>>4791762Is this anime good? I only know of it because of that catchy OP.
>>4791762>she should have the final sayThis anon is probably right though, I guess.
>>4791767Tempting, but we already have too many women around us, no need to ruin based character like Alan
>>4791762>she should have the final sayI agree.>You've invited madness the moment you've started to care about them at all.I did not invite anything. I tried to argue against us pulling doomed Rins. If we care about doomed Rins, is it not right that we care about doomed others as well? Doomed due to our own actions no less?Not that there's much of a point in discussing this when anons are so eager to rush with no thought on the consequences. All the discussion yesterday about what to do with the goddesses was pointless. Even the nigger's idea to give Ishtar's authorities to someone else AND keep her as a maid wasn't enough for anyone.
>>4791767Lorelei would be very mad though.
>>4791770>I couldn't care lessI care about this Rin's Sakura just as much (ok, more, not gonna lie) as I care about this Rin. I don't think we should prioritize this Rin just because she's in front of us right now.
>>4791777We didn't pull Rins because we feel bad about the World though. It was essentially because we wanted to. That is a much better mindset when dealing with all this timeline shit. It may not be healthy in a normal singular World, but the reverse is true when dealing with infinities or at least vast numbers of Worlds.
>>4791783You can't both say that we shouldn't start caring about others because when will we stop and then say you care about alternates of our friends imo.Either we can be as arbitrary as we like and who cares about other Worlds, only what we care about, or we super-jannie ourself for the multiverse.
>>4791786>It was essentially because we wanted toI don't think it's much better than wanting to save all parallel worlds, but at least it is better, I concede.>>4791789My view: Caring about every world is madness. But we did decide we care about those Rins, and this young Rin in particular. How then can we decide we don't care about her Sakura and her Shirou? What makes this Rin more important than them?I'm not saying we should care about every world, every Sakura. Just this specific one, since we already started caring.
>>4791773It's your usual rom-com, so maybe if that's your thing? Personally, I dropped it after 3 episodes.The OP is great though.>>4791777You can only care about finite amount of people.Trying to care about all the timelines leads you to bad places, Zolgen being one example.
Should we pick up some gun training just because we can? I feel we should be able to dual wield PKPs after about a week.
>>4791795Until they arrive in our timeline, I don't care about them. Be selfish about it, don't become Archer.
>>4791796>You can only care about finite amount of peopleI agree. I've been saying this all along. But we expanded this finite number to expand a few parallel Rins. Why draw the line there? What makes Rin so special? Why can't we expand it again a little to care about one, single Sakura?
>>4791795>What makes this Rin more important than them?Merely our attention. That is all, and even disregarding our potential end point as Truth bullshit, that is all that matters in these matters.Observation, confirmation through observation and decisions.If you feel like you care enough about that particular Sakura, you just have to convince everyone to do so. I don't care at all, for example, about anyone else from her World. There is no overarching great reason or principle outside of the decision. My bro Crawling Chaos and Alaya will back me up.
>>4791802>Be selfish about itReread my name anon. My wish to give this Rin a walkthrough and have her save her world is very much a selfish one.
>>4791807Then don't talk about principles/lines or specialness or expanding our caring or whatever. Just try to convince anons based not on reason, as that makes no sense.
>>4791796Good to know will probably try it then.
>>4791742HEYYOU KEEP BITCHING ABOUT RIN ADOPTING YOUNG CHILDREN AND BECOMING A PIRATENOW SHE CAN ADOPT ALTERNATE VERSIONS OF HERSELF
>>4791806>Merely our attentionShe is here because we cared. Not the other way around. And we cared before we laid our eyes on her. I see your argument as somewhat of a post-fact rationalization.>>4791812But I thought that's what I'd been doing?
>>4791804Opportunism. Anons wanted Rins to chain Ishtar and Eresh. Other Sakuras won't become real until they react with Shinji. They don't exist, our Sakura does. New Sakura would create many more problems in a way new Rin doesn't.If anons do bring other Sakura here, I will acknowledge her as real.Our Sakura won't like that imo.Basically, only this timeline matters and I'm too tired and should go to sleep.Do you like our alien view of reality, WhatIs?
>>4791742This is nothing. Wait until adopt a younger Zelretch.
Dead quest Dead quest
>>4791825Actually, that makes me think of something. Something is keeping Zelretch out and we know the Neco-Arcs aren't allowed to interact with us officially. Would whatever is keeping things out of our timeline allow these Rin to go back now that they've interacted with us or would it purge them or something as soon as we tried?
>>4791835Are the other Alayas quarantining us and not Alan or Manakas?
>>4791836Probably a combination of both.
>>4791767When can we visit Alaya again?
>>4791843I assume when we go to sleep, if we choose her again.Reminder to ask her to free Saber, Emiya and Okita from their contracts when we get there.Nobu might be happy. They're sort of friends I think?
>>4791851>Reminder to ask her to free Saber, Emiya and Okita from their contracts when we get there.A-hem. You forgot Emiya and Tohsaka.
>>4791864Which Emiya?Also, isn't TOHSAKA a joke?
>>4791720Sequel quest, Rin with metaknowledge groomed into her by this story's Shinji put back in her timeline, maybe with a few extra items like catalysts and some Item Construction things to help. Plans for another Kaliedosword?
>>4791874Jokes are the deepest lore tho. Earth Mother Goddess stuff in Saber Wars, Rhinegold in HA hanafuda, Bersercar greekbot, Cat Spirits in Back Alley Alliance, etc....Probably not 1 to 1, but the principle makes sense? Of a CG RIN.
>>4791878She kills Zolgen early but neglects Prelati who basically triggers a FSF fuyuki hybrid scenario
>>4791889I think Prelati would be scared shitless of a groomed Rin. If Prelati had the balls to still go through with her creepy stalking of grail wars at least Richard and A-san get to shine. I wonder how our Ayaka would react to seeing A-san.
>>4791843When this happens.
>>4791836It would be in the best interests of both Manakas and Alan to not have uncle Zelretch interfere in their pissing contest over Shinji.
>>4791908I wonder if Sakura would get jealous if she knew what we were doing with Alaya in our dreams...
I wonder what the other Alayas from the timelines the taken Rins were from are doing right now. Probably in a panic because now those rins are in the closed off timeline
>>4791917Other Alayas can seethe in jealousy all they want, they should have joined with the Stacey Thunderclit version of our!Alaya.
>>4791902Zeltrech gets personally involved to adopt the best Rin he can physically access
Also where is our Fan and that Chinese monkey at?
You know, just saying, if we do decide to send Child Rin back, her dad hasn't died yet. Or Kariya.It wouldn't be that hard to for her to save Sakura. In the fgo Zero event, DUDE basically walked into the Matou house, grabbed Sakura, burned it to the ground, and chopped off Kariya's arm with the comand seals. All the worms left his body and DUDE burned them. Then Kariya and Sakura just left. If we tell Rin to ask Waver, Iskandar would do it no problem, he'd even make Kariya choose Sakura over revenge.Hell, she could also just tell her dad about Kotomine, and save him easily. Although her father being dead technically leads to her being a better person, so I dunno.
>>4791607Going with >>4791608I wanted to do Rejoice speech but she looks like less of an asshole than we thought initially.And I hope she says who that Archer was.>>4791645>Concept for EreshRejuvenation.Helps her underworld, herself and Broken Rin at the same time.>>4791767That would be interesting but Nyarly would crush the competition like nothing if it happened.But I am expecting him to do it at least once to get a rise out of the girls.>>4791344And yeah. Very much so.I am still waiting for Rin Matou. You can`t just red text word "fun" and expect us not to be invested.
>>4791645Peace, Sanctuary, Fulfillment
>>4792033>Rejuvenation.Could it actually make a not retarded reincarnation cycle with her Underworld? A time of rest between lives?
>>4792052> a rest stop between cyclesthat sounds comfy, I support it
>>4791967>Hell, she could also just tell her dad about Kotomine, and save him easily. Although her father being dead technically leads to her being a better person, so I dunno.If she warns Tokiomi and he believes her, then the final fight becomes Tokiomi+Gil vs Kerry and Saber. I don't see Tokiomi walking out of this against an Avalon Kerry, which means the 4th war ends with the sisters reunited and living with their mother since Kariya will have been taken out of the war before he goes completely crazy. This should be the best possible outcome for them.
>>4792107Avalon Kerry nearly lost to Kotomine in the very first exchange. I'm betting on Tokiomi who was the guys teacher and superior in magecraft and combat. Especially if he gets assmad and picks up his close combat mystic code
>>4792109Kotomine exploded his heart in the first exchange. What more can Tokiomi do to him? And Tokiomi won't have command seals to tank Kerry's bullets for him. I really don't see how he can win.
>>4792111>what more can Tokiomi doLike maybe use his Fire element magecraft to incinerate his entire body? Its the Element which encompasses the concept of destruction. Kerry with Avalon heals, but he both doesnt heal as good as Artoria, and cant activate the actual OP function.Kerry's bullet also needs to hit, and depends on how many circuits you are actively using at the moment, which is why he baited Kayneth. Either Tokiomi goes all out and vaporizes him, as without traps and tricks Kerry is weak, or he doesnt and gets a few circuits fried then kills him while he reloads imo.
>>4792116Kayneth's auto-defense physical mercury code was basically super bad compatibility against Kerry, compared to MA and Fire+gembombs Tokiomi
Going purely by Nasuverse version of Ereshkigal>In original Mesopotamian texts, she presided over the growth and decay of crops, bent the dragons and snakes to her will, and freely controlled the Garula familiars of the underworld. The 'Heavenly Mistress' Ishtar, and the Queen of the Great Below Ereshkigal held a rival relationship. Mythologically speaking, the goddess of the harvest Ishtar (Inanna) was the Great Earth Mother that represented human life while Ereshkigal, who represented human death, was the Terrible Earth Mother.>Ereshkigal can only make use of her Authority within the Underworld. Inside her domain, she is absolute law, and every Heroic Spirit and deity will be left powerless if she so desires it. With her authority, Ereshkigal has a number of attacks and security features that can be performed. One of them was even stated by Dr. Roman to have heat comparable to Ishtar's Noble Phantasm and was shown restraining Tiamat's "Titan" form, weakened by the wounds she sustained in her fall to the underworld.>After allowing Dumuzid to leave the Underworld, she gained a portion of his Authority, similar to what happened with Nergal. She was hoping to gain his Authority over sheep, so she could use their wool to warm the souls in Kur, but instead Dumuzid left her with his ability to transform into serpents and antelope. Ereshkigal was not happy gaining a second Authority that doesn't help her improve the Underworld. With her Personal Skills as Pseudo-Servant being related to her Authority as we already know>Hidden Great Crown (A Rank): The crown of a goddess said to have been created from what she took from Ishtar. Of the heaven and earth, it allows her to make the various graces bestowed unto Ishtar her own, but those effects are made slightly darker (more gloomy).>Mana Burst (Cage) (A+ Rank): Ereshkigal is a diligent, earnest, and somewhat pessimistic goddess. On a regular basis, as long as she has the free time, she'll store up her mana in her spear cages to release in battle.>Protection of the Underworld (EX Rank): Offered as a pillar of the underworld she came to rule, Ereshkigal's authority. Until her rule comes to an end, she who controls the underworld is the underworld itself, as well as the queen protected by its bounds. Provides support to all allies as well as changing the effect of her Noble Phantasm.With FGO portraying them as massive buffs to everyone with things likes>Grants self Invincibility for 1 turn.>Chance to grant self Debuff Immunity for 1 turn. >Chance to grant self Instant-Kill Immunity for 1 turn.>Chance to increase own buff removal resistance by 100% for 1 turn.>Increases party's defense for 3 turns.>Increases party's NP generation rate for 3 turns.>Increases party's Max HP for 3 turns.
>>4792122Plus>Increases the attack of allies with Blessing of Kur buff by 20% for 3 turns. Fro, her Noble Phantasm and her Noble Phantasm has this side effect as far as lore goes>An earth impact that crumbles Mt. Ebih through earthquakes and alterations to the very terrain. While its firepower falls short of Ishtar's venus buster, the true meaning of this Noble Phantasm lies in 'changing the field to the underworld'. Within the underworld where she boasts the highest authority, Ereshkigal and all those who fight alongside her are granted a powerful grace.With that in mind we should also recall that she is diligent worker and only wanted to help souls in her Underworld. In both Nasuverse and in real life mythology. With Ishtar getting all the nice things and Ereshkigal getting fucked over and receiving scorn for her grim duties which rest of the gods only made harder for her and souls in Underworld by denying her nice things and giving her bad powers which prevented her from improving Underworld.Rejuvenation here would play big role for many reasons:1. It is nice concept like Ereshkigal always wanted. It will help and heal souls in Underworld and those inside her domain as well.2. Powers coming with concept of Rejuvenation are also those that heavily overlap with Pseudo-Servant Ereshkigal powers. 3. This makes Ereshkigal perfect counter to Morrígan and her powers. As well as allowing good combination with powers of Obeithion. Rejuvenation as a concept is a promise of hope and things getting better.4. We also be helping Broken Rin with it too. She is mentally broken and Rejuvenation powers from Ereshkigal will be perfect way to help her from within.5. And with Ereshkigal having SNAKE THEME Rejuvenation would also empower that aspect as well. For snakes it is no other than skin shedding. More common mythological associated with Rebirth and Reincarnation.Rejuvenation is also much more natural process for Underworld itself and our plan to create better system of afterlife than that is currently in place. And we also avoid going for manahungry cheat concepts.
>>4792116You forget another important thing about Avalon Kerry: not only does he not die when he is killed, but he can push time alter way more than usual. He can dodge. Tokiomi will be the hardest fight of his life, but in the end he's just another powerful magus. Kerry has experience dealing with them, unlike with Kotomine.Though you've made me wonder what happens if Tokiomi really wins. Gil dies, so all loose ends are eliminated. But how does he deal with the corrupted grail? Does he let Fuyuki burn, including his family, so he can still try to reach the root? Or does he finally find a cost he's not willing to pay and becomes a better person, like Kerry did?
>>4792125I like Rejuvenation for Eresh, yes. It suits her.
>>4792122>bent the dragons and snakes to her willdohohoho>>4791645Maybe if we intend to make her into this timeline's caretaker of the deceased we should consider giving her some sort of reinforcement. It wouldn't do if a particularly powerful soul did something like Morrigan tried to Satsuki.Maybe something like Sovereignty, or Inviolability? How would that change her disposition?
>>4792135Eresh is absolute in Kur and she holds both older and greater Mystery. Hers is an actual Authority. Eresh shouldn't have problems overpowering Morrigan
>>4792128Kerry with even Square Accel doesn't really measure up to good Reinforcement users, and Kotomine was specialized, by his innate attribute, towards spiritual surgery. I still say Tokiomi, from a family who 2 generations before tried to reach the Root via Martial Arts, and prides himself on doing magus things 200% can go faster.Kerry is extremely good at ambush, traps, tricks and out of the box thinking to kill those stronger than himself. He is absolutely not good at whiteroom battles against even mid-tier magi who arent pure researchers. His achievements are already quite good for someone with no outstanding talent, cuircuits, a teacher or a complete Crest. Natalia taught him how to kill, and he does it well, but thats a specialized training.As for the second, who knows. The best version of Tokiomi was the Space Tokiomi iirc, and he was more adventure archeologist like Indiana Jones than research magus and managed to raise the explicitly evil half of Astarte into essentially SN Rin, so its a big who knows.
>>4792136Inb4 syncretized with Cailleach and super OP Authority hidden on the sheet.
>>4792140>Cailleachceltoids are just scuffed nords mixed with forestniggersSumeria is way older, celts are like ~600BC starting
>>4792139Maybe that's an angle we should also pursue for a happy ending to the 4th? Have our Rin write Tokiomi a letter from the future, tell him the grail is corrupted and cannot grant his wish, the Matou and the Einzbern are completely insane, and he should return the family to trying to reach enlightenment via martial arts instead of trying to cheat with a method that won't work? And ask the Edelfedts to adopt Sakura after she's saved from the worms because he wants her to become a magus and that's not what Zouken is doing with her?That way we won't care what the outcome will be. If Kerry wins, Aoi raises both sisters. If Tokiomi wins, Sakura gets a happy childhood with Luvia like in Apocrypha and Rin pursues martial arts with her father.
From FGO Bond Lvl 5 (Reach 4th Ascension) for Ereshkigal>Ah... My powers over the sun, transformation, and the underworld have combined, and reached their limit...Ah... My powers over the sun, transformation, and the underworld have combined, and reached their limit...Rejuvenation would also help her other powers.Sun and Transformation are those things that align with Rejuvenation quite well.And with Snake powers also starting to be desirable for Ereshkigal.>>4791607>>4791608And can we all agree to add healing Church Rin with Truth? It cost us almost nothing, she is beat up right now and it would be really nice gesture after that we showed her right now.Also, she likely know Ciel.
>>4792150This scenario does assume we are willing to, or capable, or sending the Rin back without alerting whatever is quarantining the timeline from Zelretch (Alayas? Alan? Something else?). If yes, then its a viable path, but I am not convinced of the starting point.
>>4792154>willingThat remains to be seen. We won't know for sure until we vote, and we need a viable plan to potentially vote for. But I think our Rin would prefer this over keeping her younger self here, and I think we all agree we should let our Rin have the final say.>capableI don't see why not. Zelretch is almost certainly being blocked by either Manaka or Nyarly to stop him from interfering with their plans. Rin was able to use the 2nd Magic freely and pull the other Rins here. She should be able to put them back no problem. That's what we were planning to do anyway if they refuse, right?But if she can't do it, then obviously we have no choice.
If you want to take an unorthodox and hilariously powerful approach to Eresh's concept, try Rome.All roads lead there, just like the afterlife. Her Authority might then extend out into the surface world too, in areas of Civilisation.comes with the premade Colosseum we wanted tooMight be a bit much to implement with current mana reserves though.
>>4792159If it comes down to it, can't we just ask Gil for some kind of magical steroid so we can do it? Or go for a Sash/Alitheia boost again, or even the meme approach of having Arturia fire low power Excaliburs at us and eating them.
>>4792159Wouldn`t this just link her to Human Order?And>Graeco-Roman syncretic folk religion>In later times, the Greeks and Romans appear to have syncretized Ereshkigal with their own goddess Hecate. In the heading of a spell in the Michigan Magical Papyrus, which has been dated to the late third or early fourth century A.D., Hecate is referred to as "Hecate Ereschkigal" and is invoked using magical words and gestures to alleviate the caster's fear of punishment in the afterlife.And we also have this distortion>In a few cases, Hecate was said to have shared these powers with her most devoted followers. The most famous witch in Greek mythology received her knowledge of magic from Hecate.>Medea’s magic was often described as having to do with necromancy, sleep, and the night. It was said that she learned herbalism and spells from Hecate herself.>Several times, authors make a connection between Medea’s use of magic, both harmful and protective, and her worship of Hecate. They were so closely linked that Hecate was referred to as Medea’s mother in some later texts, although earlier ones had said she was the child of an Oceanid.>Even in descriptions of Medea’s witchcraft, it is difficult to distinguish magical rituals from more standard worship and rites.>Many of the rituals described in ancient texts, for example the elaborate sacrifice of a ewe in Argonautica, are in keeping with what is known about the worship of other deities of the underworld.>Hecate, however, is routinely described as the goddess of witchcraft and associated with characters like Medea and Circe, the witch of Homer’s Odyssey. As a cthonic goddess of the underworld, her rituals and rites were often associated with death and secrecy.And Hecate is also considered to be part of Triple deity. Like Morrígan.I have no idea how this will translates to Nasuverse.
>>4792159>All roads lead there, just like the afterlifeBad nigger. This is hilarious yes, but too retarded.
>>4792153>And can we all agree to add healing Church Rin with Truth? It cost us almost nothing, she is beat up right now and it would be really nice gesture after that we showed her right now.yup we have to do this
>>4792166Being conceptually linked to the human order means she'll never be alone again.>>4792167Has it ever actually been too retarded though?
>>4792153>can we all agree to add healing Church Rin with TruthSupport>>4792173Just a bit ago we got ourselves into our first unwinnable fight that we should have retreated from. There's always a first time for everything. Asha was the most similar concept to what you're proposing, and it wasn't based on a pun.
>>4792166Outside of the Twelve Olympians and their direct ancestors like titans and protogenoi, they weren't robochads iirc, and even seems like Dionysus is not a robo.They did incorporate, forcefully or otherwise, native Divine Spirits into their pantheon and distorted their legends/worship and through that their actual existence like Castor and Pollux being originally completely unrelated Gods and being demoted to specific demigods.It is possible thus, that Hecate was an incorporated bunrei or aspect of Ereshkigal, into the Olympians after they became the Greek Gods instead of Atlantians? Since Ishtar and Ereshkigal are already split aspects of Inanna/Astarte, it is possible Eresh also had a split aspect or spun off part later?Divine Spirits can probably sustain such splitting and multiple identities based on what we know, and since the textures themselves were bounded by a given cultural sphere itself, it may be used to explain such things?Would this make sense if one chooses to try incorporating Hecate-Eresh into Nasu?
>>4792175Take note that in Nasu the "Twelve Olympians" are weird, in that Hades is included, so it may not be the usual roster amongst Titans etc as well.
https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Towards_the_CosmosThink about big picture goals for the quest.>>4792174Puns are very serious in nasuversecase in point:https://youtu.be/VWsthlp8wpA?t=789
>>4792178>Love>Romance (Roma)>Human dreams given form.
>>4792166Make our own Morrigan.With ROMA, roses blooming throughout the underworld and no smelly celtniggers.Also, ROMA civilised read: removed the celtoid scum when they bought forth civilisation.
>>4792182>>4792173If we actually link Eresh to Human Order, we could maybe integrate Gods with personalities and the Afterlife into the Laws of Physics. This would also mean they would be regulated and integrated like the OP mountain hobos becoming civilized (weaker), instead of just rejected which can be fought off with energy.
>>4792175Even if we do this and it does work, Hecate-Ereshkigal will be very different from the Ereshkigal we know. Do we really want to do this? We're always so talking about whether or not we can, but we never stop to think if we should>>4792178God, why is FGO so fucking retarded?>>4792182Do we really want to turn Eresh into a schizo? I thought we liked her.
>>4792186I didn't mean to make Hecate-Ereshkigal, I meant how Hecate-Eresh can naturally exist in the setting if the syncretism is true, and after Amaterasu and Scathach-Skadi things I wouldn't be surprised.
>>4792186She's already a melded schizo by being shoved into Rin. We'd already purposely decided to make her a partial schizo to tone down her unfiltered state into deredere Eresh.This shouldn't change much personality?>>4792185Ancient underworld Goddess with one of if not the oldest Authorities for the other side of the coin is the way to start setting the foundations for all the grandiose autistic plans people have been throwing around. It might add an extra one though.
I have no clue what half of this means what the hell is Hecate-Ereshkigal am is everyone schizophrenic or is it me.
>>4792186>I thought we liked her.Are we as Shinji ourselves not the ultimate schizo? Our every action is based on majority vote.
>>4792191You must be this autistic to ride the powergaming conceptual autism ride, sorry anon.
>>4792189The nigger does want to make her this though. Sorry, I thought you agreed.>>4792190So, since we're making her into a partial schizo out of necessity we might as well make her into a full schizo for power? What's wrong with you my nigga? You've never disregarded the cost of your plans before.>>4792191You know who Eresh is. Hecate was a Roman goddess that the Romans tied to Ereshkigal in her mythology. The nigger is talking about us doing the same and merging Hecate with Eresh, like how Morrigan is three goddesses merged together.
>>4792193We are, yes. This is NOT a good thing. We shouldn't want to spread madness around.
>>4792196I do want to potentially integrate her into the Human Order, but that has nothing to do with syncretizing her with other beings.That is inevitable if we want an Afterlife though, otherwise Alaya is just going to keep rejecting it and trying to shove her out of the World and human souls won't go there.If you want a universal afterlife you either need to completely end the Primacy of Man and instate a new Age where its permissible, or wire the concept of life after death (Authority of an Underworld God or Goddess) into the Human Order/Physics.
>>4792175>>4792182I can see a point. But my problem here is that Ereshkigal was helpful and nice to us so experimenting on her is uncalled for. After all we trying to set up good example and mostly went for radical things if we needed them to win and not for our amusment.Now, if you have some really good ideas for Ishtar like SPACE or something similar I am all ears.
>>4792196It's a maybe, Hecate is just how future people interpreted her. There's no guarantee she'll even get an extra personality.Rome is about advancement of Civilisation, moving forward. These are the sub concepts within Rom:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mos_maiorumHave a flick, let me know if any will actively damage her psyche in your opinion. We don't have to give her a concept right away either, if this is something people want but it's too costly to implement now it can be down the road, giving more time to think on options.
>>4792205We're planning to end the Age of Man and replace it with a New Age of Gods/Age of Truth anyway, aren't we? I'm not against what you're proposing, but tying Eresh to Rome is not the right way to do it.>>4792207Why tie her to Rome at all? This is all based on a pun, like that fucking Muramasa clip. Or we base this on the Hecate connection, but Hecate is sufficiently different that Eresh will either also become something completely different or gain a second personality. Why? Why don't we just give her a nice, simple concept like the Rejuvenation that anon proposed? You didn't go digging for weird stuff for clae, you just went for Liberation because that's what he wanted the most.
>>4792207Speaking of, maybe something likehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dii_involutiwhich in Rome are probably related to the Novensiles gods be a good idea for Human Order based gods?Have some kind of internal policy enforcing Gods who get "faith/heat" from the very Foundation of Man instead of worship, making them unreliant on caving to people.Or just have every God be like that? Something between a faceless system and an old-school God, where they have wills and personalities and can act, but not in an official capacity as their Systems/Authority, with avatars to have a check on not having the potential of old abuses of power?
>>4792216Its not based on a pun. We found out from Grand Lancer Roma that Rome is the very base foundational concept of the Human Order and human civilization (for some reason? I guess spreading far?).Thus it would be "rome" but actuality it would be "Humanity". Grand Roma is also the Human God, due to being the founder of Rome iirc, and seeks to send people to Age of Will essentially.
>>4792207For the lazy>Fides>The Latin word fides encompasses several English words, such as trust/trustworthiness, good faith/faithfulness, confidence, reliability and credibility.>Pietas>Pietas was the Roman attitude of dutiful respect towards the gods, homeland, parents and family, which required the maintenance of relationships in a moral and dutiful manner. Cicero defined pietas as "justice towards the gods.”>Religio and cultus>Related to the Latin verb religare, "to bind", religio was the bond between gods and mortals, as carried out in traditional religious practices for preserving the pax deorum (“peace of the gods”). >Disciplina>The military character of Roman society suggests the importance of disciplina, as related to education, training, discipline and self-control.>Gravitas and constantiaGravitas was dignified self-control. Constantia was steadiness or perseverance.>Virtus>Derived from the Latin word vir ("man"), virtus constituted the ideal of the true Roman male. Gaius Lucilius discusses virtus in some of his work and says that it is virtus for a man to know what is good, evil, useless, shameful or dishonorable.>Dignitas and auctoritas>Dignitas and auctoritas were the end result of displaying the values of the ideal Roman and the service of the state, in the forms of priesthoods, military positions and magistracies. Dignitas was reputation for worth, honour and esteem. Thus, a Roman who displayed their gravitas, constantia, fides, pietas and other values of a Roman would possess dignitas among their peers. Similarly, by that path, a Roman could earn auctoritas ("prestige and respect").>>4792216Tying her to Hecate directly is bad because it guarantees schizo.Tying her to Rome links her to the above values and the Human Order, the concept is compatible because of her acceptance as a Greco-Roman Goddess under the pseudonym Hecate, but we're not putting Hecate there, that's just the link/bridge for it to work.
>>4792210Conceptual Sexual Love Holy Nun Ishtarin BDSM Ryona.Here is some of those super schizo rumblings about Ishtar = Virgin Mary I talked few threads earlier abouthttps://www.catholicbridge.com/catholic/mary-a-pagan-goddess.phpOr WHY WE SHOULD GIVE ISHTAR CONCEPT OF VIRGINITY.
>>4792224Nero can baptise her with something from the sippy cup and wash all the cum away.Whorishness forgiven ok :DDDEternal chastity awaits
>>4792224You might as well try syncretizing her with all the Venus things like Lucifer and Báidi (West Metal Venus Autumn God) at that point.
Also Sakurafren, tell me Eresh would not like the ability to paint over the gloominess of Kur in this manner?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalia_(festival)Bright colourful Roman Arcitecture for the dead to live in rather than literal cages. They're not mexican children, the dead deserve a nice place to live and Eresh deserves a territory that is vibrant and alive.
>>4792226>>4792231That thing has some dedicated followers.
>>4792219>Its not based on a pun.>All roads lead there, just like the afterlifeEven if we can mental gymnastics to justify it, the nigger still based it on a pun.>>4792222>Tying her to Hecate directly is bad>we're not putting Hecate there, that's just the link/bridge for it to workI see a legitimate reason to worry here. You're trying to fit a square Roman peg into a round Babylonian hole and using Hecate as lubricant. I can easily see this going very, very wrong and giving us an Eresh very different from the one we want.I'll repeat my question:>Why? Why don't we just give her a nice, simple concept like the Rejuvenation that anon proposed? You didn't go digging for weird stuff for clae, you just went for Liberation because that's what he wanted the most.>>4792233She would, definitely. But is this the really the best way to do this? Won't Rejuvenation work just as well to fill the underworld with flowers and other bright things? Or something similar, if you don't like Rejuvenation for some reason.
>>4792236I disagree that its "mental gymnastics" given that the entire Amaterasu syncretism chain is based on an extremely obscure Shingon Buddhism sect, and the entire Hecate-Eresh connection is both older and more established than that.
>>4792236I feel anything other than some insane concept for Eresh is a waste.She's one of the few ways to begin actualising the autism people have started wanting for the conclusion/future setting of the quest.If we waste her concept slot on a passive heal it'll really limit how we'd be able to go about things without becoming some unironic CULTIVATORMAXX sped.Remember Sumer is the birthplace of Civilisation, Rome was the continuation and full actualisation. The civilisation where writing and other integral concepts for Civilisation was seeded being accelerated to a logical conclusion is a bit better as lube it'd imagine?Also, go look at what GoB is on a conceptual level. It's almost like a human made Authority of all things made by mankind, under the ownership of Gil. If not for the domineering presence of the Gods Sumer is basically just proto Rome.Gil's vision for humanity in CCC is the same as Romulus' wishes listed directly from his bond ce. and he is, on all levels, ROME.
Oh and by exact quest dialogue, Eresh was happy to have herself be destroyed to simply prevent Ishtar getting a foothold in Ilya.We're offering her almost Ishtar's megawanked Goddess of Everything position and not really asking anything of her, other than to maybe have to spend a bit of time dormant personality wise which she has always done with Ishtar anyway. It's nothing but an improvement for her.
>>4792247Plus Pietas/Religio/Cultus subconcepts to ensure she stays respected and well linked to the very humans she has worked for near eternity to try and preserve from rootblender
>>4792249If Eresh is linked to the Human Order, she basically gets the best possible end for any God that's not Roma (or maybe even him?). She can go with the rest of humans/post-humans into the Age of Will and expand into space instead of being left behind and dying with the planet.
>>4792252She's probably the only God most would offer that privilege
All that powergaming but I am more enthralled to the idea about telling Gil that we will link Ishtar to the concept of Virginity across all realities.
>>4792216>Age of TruthAs to creating something like this, first we'd have to convince Alaya to go along with it, so human primacy or at least guaranteeing a higher goal than the Age of Will should be minimum.After that, we'd have to influence people on the global scale to precisely align mentally with what we want, in order for the Order to be restructured. Then we have to add in features we want to regulate and control stuff, but still let cool stuff that was based in Mystery before exist without it.Maybe Truth replacing Mystery and Science both, as they are from the same source and end the same? Especially from our perspective.
>>4792241>Amaterasu syncretismAnd I will argue against giving Indian concepts to Tamamo just as hard as I'm arguing against giving Roman ones to Eresh.>>4792242>I feel anything other than some insane concept for Eresh is a waste.I don't feel the same way. Eresh as the supreme queen of the underworld is plenty strong already. She doesn't need an insane concept, she needs a simple one to make her realm nicer. And we didn't choose her for her power, but for her personality. We need to be very careful not to change that in our quest for power.Eresh is key, yes. But we don't have to solve every single problem with a quick application of a concept. There are other ways. Aylesbury is the key to returning the world to the Age of Gods. We have some of the best Casters of history by our side. I am CERTAIN that we can devise a modified ritual to do exactly what we want to do after we kick the vamps out. And it will be a fun adventure to get what we need the right way instead of the easy way. We have no need to hurry either. We literally have eternity ahead of us.>>4792247We are offering her a lot, yes. But we are offering her a lot even without tying her to Rome. I am not convinced Rome has a strong enough connection to her to offer her just an empowerment without fundamentally changing her. Remember, tying Vritra to Zoroastrianism fundamentally changed her. It was necessary because she was empty inside, but that's not the case for Eresh. This isn't something we should do to her.
>>4792255Ishtar is a good target for a meme concept, virginity is solid though.Unironically though>"reddit" is the Latin word for render, which among other things means "to submit for consideration or approval"Make ishtar reddit, sub concept freebie of virgin, while also forcing her to ask for permission before doing anything. And she's a literal meme.
>>4792260Autist, you don't have to oppose Amaterasu Syncretism, its already canon. Dakini=Vairocana=Amaterasu is in Extra mats, Tama uses the same Dakini magic Kiara uses and Ama is the God Kiara's cult worships.Amaterasu is also a Buddha/Deva like being.There is nothing to give her re:syncretism, its already done.
This looks interesting, and something we could work with... although perhaps better suited to Gilgamesh if he wanted to get upgraded:>Every man also had duties to his fellow man which had some religious character, particularly the king's duties to his subjects. It was thought that one of the reasons the gods gave power to the king was to exercise justice and righteousness, described as mēšaru and kettu, literally "straightness, rightness, firmness, truth". Examples of this include not alienating and causing dissension between friends and relatives, setting innocent prisoners free, being truthful, being honest in trade, respecting boundary lines and property rights, and not putting on airs with subordinates. Some of these guidelines are found in the second tablet of the Šurpu incantation series.How is Eresh's afterlife supposed to work anyway? In original myth it's just repository of ghosts, would that be compatible with how we understand setting's cosmology or would it create an imbalance that will kick us in the nuts down the line?Further, the next of kin were supposed to provide succour for the deceased, which means there would be a path to interact from mortal world to her afterlife. Could it be hijacked?If the dead are meant to return into the cycle, how are they going to do so? Scrubbed of their memories and personalities? What if they don't want to go? Will the afterlife's ambience impose onto them idea of coming to terms with their end of self so they can be recycled? In that case she might benefit from idea like>Pacificationalthough Satsuki might make good use of that as well I suppose.One thing I'm worried about with Rome is that even if this Hecate thing won't alter or impose onto her a new personality is that the link might be too weak to facilitate such a wide concept and we're not in grandfather's wild ride with ambient magic everywhere anymore.
>>4792265Always leave a door open for those who want to be soulblended. One of the defining things about mankind is Free Will., even if most choose to be niggercattle with it.>>4792267Are you enjoying what happens when I get a night off again?
>>4792265Kur seems to be basically Hades, Sheol or Yomi. Gray, shadow wraith people, dust, not much going on.Can it be hijacked? Probably, but Eresh should have Gates that protect it. Still possible.By imbalance do you mean too many dead people compared to living or...?Reincarnation should probably be scrubbed of memories but something like colouring their soul/directionality by their actions in life that they remember and the judgement in the afterlife, if we can swing it. Not that evil deeds=bad reincarnation, but trying to change their behaviour by changing their directionality slowly during many lives, so as to preserve continuity of Origin while changing it.
>>4792268>Are you enjoying what happens when I get a night off again?It's pretty neat.The Prime timeline sure is a mess.It's no wonder the other Alaya are annoyed at your timeline.Also I highly doubt anybody will want to walk into the Kur Soulblender.
>>4792265Also, probably have the afterlife reset the soul rot timer, so reincarnation doesn't end retardedly.
>>4792274>Also I highly doubt anybody will want to walk into the Kur Soulblender.Never underestimate human stupidity, it will always overcome expectations.
>>4792259Do you REALLY think we'll have any difficulty at all to convince our Alaya? Hint: Check our charsheet again. And this will come after we've saved her numerous times, even from the other Alayas. She might want us to modify some aspects of the plan, but I don't see her saying no.Age of Gods didn't end because people started mentally aligning with a different order, did it? Why would this be necessary now?I'm not sure how you imagine the Age of Truth to be, but we want more cool stuff in it, not less.>>4792264I don't oppose Amaterasu syncretism. You're right. But I will oppose leaning on that syncretism to give Tamamo a concept if it ever comes up.>>4792265>would that be compatible with how we understand setting's cosmologyThe root currently munches on all souls upon death, but it doesn't need to. It is infinite. Nothing at all will change for it if it stops munching on souls. I see no reason to assume having Eresh make a nice holding pen for souls will kick us in the nuts down the line.>Scrubbed of their memories and personalities? I would assume so, yeah. Memories scrubbed, some lingering effects of their previous personality and actions remain, perhaps. Or both scrubbed entirely.>What if they don't want to go? Then Eresh lets them stay until they get bored and decide they want another go at life's wild ride?>>4792274>It's no wonder the other Alaya are annoyed at your timeline.They should have done a better job managing their timelines if they didn't want us to interfere. They'll cope.>Also I highly doubt anybody will want to walk into the Kur Soulblender.You'd be surprised. I can imagine a few choosing it of their own free will. Why not have the option available? It'll even make the rest feel better about not choosing it.
>>4792274Practicality of "Rome" as a concept after reading all this retardation?
>>4792272By imbalance I mean something like unrestricted growth of the afterlife. If nasuverse operates on limited resources that make it eradicate branching timelines, an open ended afterlife is going to eventually cause similar problems. Although I suppose this is not really comparable with splitting of timelines unless we take absurd time periods.As for judgment, that would be new I believe since I don't think Eresh's afterlife had any of that.
>>4792281>They should have done a better job managing their timelines if they didn't want us to interfere. They'll cope.They'll cope by sending another entity like Merlin but less nice.
>>4792286Sorry this is the trunk of time, those sound like branchcuck problems
>>4792281>Age of Gods didn't end because people started mentally aligning with a different order, did it?Specifically, Humans became the Primates, or Prime Ones, and thus their Order was supreme not the Gods who got BTFO 14,000 BCE.Their mentality DID matter, in that the Planet itself specifically and explicitly conforms to the Order of the present Prime Ones. This is why the Planet excluded Gods etc to the Reverse. They still exist, they are just locked out from this layer.Based on this, if the Humans did not require or want this, it would not have happened, even if its subconscious. >But I will oppose leaning on that syncretism to give Tamamo a concept if it ever comes up.This one I think just makes 0% sense and may be in fact weirding me out. You accept that she is syncretized. But reject that syncretization the very next sentence. Are you sure you wrote that right? Its not that Amaterasu was turned into these other gods by belief or anything. She was from the START, by her own merit and will, these things, just different cultures interpreted her directly.Tamamo herself is not even a kitsune, she is a chinese Yakan jackal, which was a kind of spirit "imported" from India by way of rumours and tales.
>>4792278>>4792281>it is time to choose>You can choose to live forever in afterlife with family and friends >or you can step into soul blender to be reincarnated/used as power-up juice for Ereshyuo must choose>>4792283All roads lead to Rome = Everything dies?But what about the people you know who don't die? Like Asha, SHIKI, Enkidu and Ciel?Then there are the links to a maybe MECHACHAD
>>4792286We can just cannibalize other Timelines for resources. Solved.Or just try for some gigabrain move by using Lostbelt/Logos React tech to simulate realities and bring the simulation to reality, achieving greater than 100% resource efficiency. The perpetual energy generators in Tsuki no Sango, a timeline where magecraft survived into the far future, openly and with tech somehow, look like Trees of Fantasy or opened Rhongos.
>Giving Tamamo a ConceptYou guys... you really want to meet Ammy, don't you?
>>4792267Great, you see?And check >>4792153Can you call healing subvote for Church Rin or outright include it in the update?
>>4792153Since Sun Divinities in Nasu are more connected to the greater Universe than just the Planet, does Eresh also have that, then? It came up when Velber was optimized against the Planet's way of using Divinities.
>>4792295OkDo you want to heal Church Rin from her injuries before talking with her or not?
>>4792292Hecate has never been a mechachad unfortunately.I can't find a good youtube clip of Faker using Hecatic Wheel to have a look at the design of the only thing directly linked to her design wise for traces of NANOMACHINES. Those that don't die don't need an underworld, this is for the cattle anyway.
>>4792294Is Tamamo aware we've gone on a date with three girlfriends today?Does she expect she's going to be next?>Asha, SHIKI, Enkidu and Ciel?At least they have each other to keep themselves warm during heat death of the universe.
>>4792294We can also offer her a deal. She has to have at least some idea we're not bluffing, even if she is bloodthirsty, she shouldn't be retarded or autistic enough to be dangerous then.
>>4792294>touch fluffy sun
>>4792262Chastity also works great for her.>>4792299She should? Sol Invictus is also a thing too.Tamamo and Karna were few Servants who were good match for Velber 2 in Extella on their own.>>4792300Yes.
>>4792301Hecate was prob a normal Divine Spirit assimilated into the Greek pantheon like Castor and Pollux, just not as downgraded. I did float the idea it was Eresh aspect/bunrei like how Eresh and Ishtar themselves are Inanna splits.
>>4792286Yes, Eresh didn't judge. That's one of her good points. It's a big plus for us, since we don't particularly care what the normies did in life.>>4792289Then we either convince that one to defect too when he sees how much better our Perfect World is, or we kill them. And make our displeasure known. Our Alaya is as strong as all of them, as long as we deal with Manaka we'll be able to swing the balance of power her way and come to an accommodation. Or else.>>4792291>This one I think just makes 0% sense and may be in fact weirding me outI'm probably not explaining it properly. I don't oppose Tamamo syncretism, that would be stupid, I oppose leaning on her Amaterasu connection at all, which I think includes syncretism. I also wouldn't oppose Eresh syncretism nearly that much if it didn't lean on the Hecate connection, which I think is dangerous for her personality.>>4792292>yuo must choose>I'm sick of my wife nagging on me. Not even death did us apart. Soulblender here I come!>>4792294Absolutely not!>>4792300Yes
>>4792303Just try not to get her personally invested in you, because that's when things get dangerous.>>4792304Oh no.>>4792302Technically those four are just the True Immortals that don't die even if you kill them.You can also include Scathach in that ranking too, if you don't let her die.Medusa, Stheno, Euryale, Arturia, Mordred, Shirou... There are quite a few people who are biologically immortal.
>>4792303If she wants to ruin people, have some bloodsports etc, we can have her be our timeline invader commander/primary.Above (nearly?) the time axisStrongBloodthirsty so doesnt care about normies or collateralSun, so, universe based.Potential Beast so may love (in some manner? Still counts for metaphysics) humanity. Compatible with Human Order.If the other Alayas keeps sending us shit, we'll just take them over for extra resources.
>>4792309>Absolutely not!It is inevitable.
Also. Maybe save ROME/Human Order for Gil if he ever wants an upgrade?He cares for Humanity in his own way, likes human civilization and fight threats to humans. His approach is also close to how Human Order operates. He was there at the start of Civilizations. And he hates gods and monsters.
>>4792309Ah, so you want to separate Tamamo from Amaterasu, somehow? I don't think that works, as she is not a completely independent lifeform, but a bunrei.Unless you do something like install "Usurpation" on her and make her go cancer cell on Amaterasu to become the prime soul. Which uhh wouldn't recommend. Maybe something like "Volition" or something like it to have a connection that the other side can't manipulate or close as the best I can imagine.
>>4792314>fox wife disliked that
>>4792316I think separating them would be ideal, yes. I don't see how it can be done though, so I just want to keep things as they are right now instead of risking egodeathing fox wife and replacing her with a yandere Amaterasu.Volition might work, yes. Independence perhaps to help her become independent. I've been thinking about this though, and I really can't come up with something I'd be confident in working.
>>4792317Well on the bright side you aren't a complete weakling like Hakuno and Tamamo is still pretty powerful with four of her tails, so she at least won't threaten to eat you and smite her. Probably.>>4792323Tamamo isn't at risk of becoming Amaterasu unless she decides to, even if she regrows all of her tails.
>>4792323The problem is that Shinto definitely won't have something like this, as Tamamo being a mitama is a natural thing there.Chinese myth is also big on hierarchy so at most it can have rebellion and opposing heaven stuff but that usually makes you a devil or demon.Indian same, dharma and adharma etc. Normal concepts also don't really have anything. Maybe Symbiosis? So it would be a strictly mutually beneficial relationship, and slap anything negative down.
>>4792327>even if she regrows all of her tails.And what if we apply an Amaterasu-related concept to her? Isn't there a risk there?>>4792328And that's why I advocate for leaving things as they are. It's not like she needs the power of a concept anyway.
>>4792330But don't you want to fondle that fluffy conceptual core?
>>4792335The tail is fluffier. Not to mention the fluffy ears.
>>4792335I kinda do. . .
>>4792335But don't you want to write out a vorechad bad end inside Tamamo's internal world from an incorrect dialogue choice?
>>4792340But the conceptual core is a mystery box.It could even be fluffy tails!
>>4792342Why do you keep trying to get me to write vore?
Also, Shingon syncretism let Nasu REALLY wank Amaterasu.Vairocana says: "Now, I, Vairocana Buddha am sitting atop a lotus pedestal; On a thousand flowers surrounding me are a thousand Sakyamuni Buddhas. Each flower supports a hundred million worlds; in each world a Sakyamuni Buddha appears. All are seated beneath a Bodhi-tree, all simultaneously attain Buddhahood. All these innumerable Buddhas have Vairocana as their original body."and it is said"he is 'the omnivalent wisdom-body, that he is the unborn, unmanifest, unchanging reality that rests quietly at the core of all phenomena."
>>4792345Why do you keep almost writing vore?
>>4792343Why are you doing this? WHYYYYYYY?>>4792345You're doing everything you can to encourage people to meet Amaterasu, who almost ate Hakuno. At some point, you're gonna stop pretending.
>>4792347Because you keep putting yourself in those situations? You were the one who walked down a spooky alleyway alone to meet Shuten. You decided to talk with Vritra rather than fight her...
>>4792343>conceptual core is a mystery box.Ohhh.
>>4792348>WHYYYYYYYY?Because it's funny.>You're doing everything you can to encourage people to meet Amaterasu, who almost ate Hakuno. At some point, you're gonna stop pretending.REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>4792350I was lurking for the Shuten vote I swear.Vrita was always going to require talk no jutsu, unless you expected her to just allow a bit of a struggle before letting us slip past. Mathematically we had no chance
Your poor witch wife is going to fall behind in the Power Level scale again, even if she can use the Gate of Wyverns and summon Dragons.
>>4792351Anons are like magi. They love mystery.
>>4792355We have some concepts ready for her.
I still want you to turn on a TV and see if the normies have noticed that shit isn't right.
>>4792355I don`t mind talking with her after we are done with Rins and asking about Concepts.
>>4792350The only reason I was for recruiting Shuten is because I was worried about her soul flowing into the lesser grails if we killed her. You're the one who made her such a good girl later on.And you literally rerolled Orochi's Servants to put Vritra there. People wanted to recruit her from before we even knew she was there. You couldn't have possibly expected our meeting with her to go any other way.>>4792355She's one of the few people around who actually needs a concept now.
>>4792350>You were the one who walked down a spooky alleyway alone to meet Shuten.pretty sure you actively encouraged us back then.Something along the lines "fortune favours the bold".
>>4792355>putting soon to be pregnant wife on the front lines
>>4792364>pretty sure you actively encouraged us back then.I'd forgotten about that, but you're right. Come on WhatIs. We didn't judge you when you admitted you were a Satsukifag. We won't judge when you admit you're a vorefag as well.
>>4792364Well, fortune did favor the bold.But you might've gotten a little too bold now.
>>4792360That was a walt disney dragon animatronic, early advertisement of opening of the amusement park in Misaki.And that prison thing, that was a happening by a rogue group of radical sculptor activists.
>>4792369pretty sure we just cucked to Morrigan
>>4792369This is all your fault.
>>4792368but being a Satsuki fag is not a deviancy, that's perfectly normal state of affairs. There's nothing to judge except for criminally good taste.
>>4792369Nothing is truly their own. It is ours, whether they know it or not.
>>4792373And that's why we're now TOO bold. It was an unwinnable fight without unacceptable collateral. We should have left sooner.>>4792376I don't disagree. I like Satsuki too. But I find WhatIs's denials really funny after everything he's done to encourage vorefaggotry int he quest.
>>4792369More like fortune favores the bold, QM.>>4792345I will grind you down and you will write me Vritra samesize vore.
>>4792360It's a day of relaxation. That doesn't sound very relaxing.
>>4792381I missed the vote concerning what we should actually do once we got there, there was always a chance. Satsuki could have stalemated her in pure melee combat, bested her if we gave her a Truth kiss infusion of magical power and re-enforcement before hand. She would have also underestimated her at first
>>4792385Could have even had Satsuki go straight ahead and lop off her arm before Morrigan's personality flooded back in, we can always heal her after the fact.
>>4792385>>4792388Flame of Truth (anti-Divinity).