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The Grail War is on hold, in fact, most everything is on hold, for now is the time for a Carnival Moment, where things like Grail Wars simply don't happen. Well, at least in not any serious capacity.

You are Shinji Makiri, Ten years ago you suddenly found yourself with the memories of a complete past life that saw this world as a fictional story due to some unprecedented form of inter-dimensional transportation. Since that day, your new composite being has been working to change the grim future laid out for you, but... that really isn't of much concern to you right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62c7_zKoSV8 [Embed]

It's starting.

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"Wait a second..." Neco-Arc Chaos is reading through the letter on the counter. His hand tremble as he reads the news "Already?! It's only been a month!" He simply can't believe that there is already going to be another Carnival so soon after the last. Also who is even sending these letters?

"Un-un-un!" Bubbles is just as excited as always.

"Well, seeing as I was so rudely ignyored. I felt like another Carnyaval would be the best way to improve things." Neco-Arc herself stands triumphantly on top of the counter, looming over Chaos with her arms crossed.

"You... You can't just create another Carnival! That's... That's not how it works!" The desperate sounding cat spirit tries to convince her to stop her foolish actions.

"It is now! Check this out, nya." The cat-like creatures flashes an autograph of somebody that she recently received. The sheet of paper is glowing with a golden power.

"Wait a minute, that's...!" Neco-Arc Chaos realizes just what the bizarre sheet of paper that Neco-Arc is holding is immediately, and leaps forwards to try to grab it off of her, only for him to suddenly be teleported back to the chair he was sitting on.

"That's right! The signyature of a true fan! With this, I control everything! A perfect carnyaval of my own creation!" Neco-Arc seems to have gone mad with the power of the wishes of a single fan.

"No, you... you fool! you don't know what you're doing with that! Are you trying to start the Forever Carnival?!" Neco-Arc Chaos tries his hardest to grab the piece of paper from the deluded cat spirit, only for him to find himself returning to his chair the moment he gets close to her.

"Un-un-un!"

"So what if I am? Are you really telling me you're happy with the amount of screenyatime we're getting in this story? He didn't even decide to follow an obvious plothook! Now! Begin the global rewrite! Begin the Forever Carnyaval!" The piece of paper floats into the air and glows brightly. "Yes! Yes! It's finnyaly time for-" The piece of paper suddenly stops glowing entirely and falls to the ground without any more fanfare. "Oh. Out of power. Guess it's just a normal Carnyaval."

...

A long and awkward silence passes between everyone in the cafe.

"It's starting." Neco-Arc Chaos sighs.
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I'll post the stories in... I don't know, 20 minute intervyals?
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>>4784053
Of the ones we've got complete so far, we have Can't Trace that. "Where did Tiamat go?" and Monica's Diary.
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Otome Shinji! GB him if you wish or not! 4rth wall breaking with shiki and shirou!
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>>4784053
Fine by me. How many have you planned to do this time?
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>>4784057
As many as I can.
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WILL NEKO ARC CONTEND TO JOIN THE SHINJI BOWL?
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>>4784049
>Oh. Out of power. Guess it's just a normal Carnyaval.
>Out of power
>Power
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Dear Diary - Date: XXXX - Entry: 22

I've been working this job for those Matou assholes for some time now, I wouldn't normally take a job from a family of such... poor reputation in the Clocktower and Mercenary Circles, but I figured it was just a simple babysitting job, y'know? Easy money. Nobody needs to get shot and nobody needs to die, I just need to make sure that their brat doesn't wander off somewhere and get himself kidnapped to be sold for ransom or dissected for parts or whatever.
God I hate magi.

Dear Diary - Date: XXXX - Entry: 23

Something seems to be different about Shinji, I'm not sure what changed, but... he seems to be a lot more motivated. I'm guessing that as the heir of his family, he started taking things a little bit more seriously, he's only eight years old, but most magi learn from a very young age how to use magecraft to continue the family legacy or goal. Sometimes, you're taught from birth, born and raised by your family for no reason other than to continue on their research. Or sometimes you're born as a tool to finish their research or to be used as a resource in their research. Sometimes children are born just to be raised and molded into living weapons.
God I hate magi.

Dear Diary - Date: XXXX - Entry: 27

I've grown accustomed to Shinji being around. I guess that my first appraisal of the kid was wrong. He's acting like a man on a mission for some reason. I have no idea what he might be attempting to accomplish, but I've seen those eyes of his before. Those aren't the eyes you'd ever expect to see on an eight year old. They are burning with a great amount of determination and energy. Could something have been a wake-up call to him about something his own family are doing? There wouldn't be much of a reason for him to have suddenly gotten this antsy, right? Maybe I'll go through a few of these books, see if I can't find out just what the Matou family are actually guilty of.
God I hate magi.
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Dear Diary - Date: XXXX - Entry: 28

No luck figuring out what the Matou family actually really do from the books kept at this place. Looks like they didn't want to leave an easily traceable record of just what it is that they're up to. There'a a few references to the Holy Grail War going on in Japan right now, sure, but nothing more concrete than that. I refuse to believe that their goal is only the Holy Grail though, that ritual has failed too many times in the past for anybody going into it to have pure motives about winning it. If a ritual has failed three times in the past, that's about the time anybody with any sense at all will be able to realize that they should either stop it or change it fundamentally. Hell, if you actually look at the fundamentals of the Grail War, it's practically doomed to fail eternally anyway. Seven Heroic Spirits bound to Seven Magus Masters by a contract with Command Spells that allow the Master to control the Servant with three commands they cannot disobey. In theory, simple, the last one standing should get the wish. In practice, doomed, because magi are all crybabies who will shit everything up in order to prevent somebody from getting their own way if they aren't getting theirs.
God I hate magi.

Dear Diary - Date: XXXX - Entry: 35

Parted way with Shinji. Now he's back off to his no doubt abusive magus family. I wish I could do more for all those children around the planet stuck in positions like him. It's not a life a child should be forced to live. I heard the Magus Killer was involved in the Fourth Holy Grail War, kind of impressive the kid even has a family home to go back to at all. Then again, it ended with failure once more, apparently a huge blazing conflagration poured out of the Holy Grail and killed about 300 people, men, women, children. Total indiscriminate death. Of course, the people running the war probably consider those to be an acceptable number of casualties for their ritual.
God I hate magi.
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Dear Diary - Date: XXXX - Entry 80

Met with Shinji again. For some reason he has business in an average sized Japanese town called... get this 'Misaki Town'. Yeah, that Misaki Town. The same one that Aozaki bitch lives in. I have a strict code, y'know? I don't go after the people who I don't think deserve it, so when she decides to not only protect a mark because she was nearby, but also get into an actual fight with me after she was unable to save him from being choked to death by his own stupid necklace? Leaves a real bad taste in the mouth. I tried to explain things to her, that the guy I killed was actually in charge of a people smuggling ring that provided raw human material to magi less opposed to illegal means, but she just wouldn't listen, would she? She means well, at least, but eugh, learn to read a situation before you storm in like the hero, 'Blue'.
I've still remember the bruises from that fight. I feel like I gave as good as I got, but she was obviously holding back.
God I hate magi.

Dear Diary - Date XXXX - Entry 82

Killed a Dead Apostle today. Didn't remember his name. Doubt I'll be seeing him or hearing mention of him again. Killing him also provided me with an unexpected cash sum, which was nice. He was after Shinji, and... well, I'm the kid's bodyguard, it was my duty to protect him from the Dead Apostle. Maybe next time they might learn their opponents before confronting somebody with the ability to manipulate electromagnetism while standing on a ferrous sewer grate. Dumbass.
God I hate dead apostles.

Dear Diary - Date XXXX - Entry 120

I miss Shinji.

Dear Diary - Date XXXX - Entry 300

Today I helped Shinji deal with his grandfather. Or at least that was the plan. The old worm seems to have fled deep into the sewers, and while we successfully raided Shinji's family home, there was no Zouken Matou in sight. I heard what was going on, and I knew it, I knew that there was something shady going on with that bastard family. Well, at least Shinji isn't a bastard like the rest of his family were, and his sister seems like a cute girl too. Though, that's not to say she looks harmless. There's a certain look in her eyes that hides a hidden layer of danger that Shinji is apparently completely oblivious to. Still, I wouldn't want to spoil his relationship with his younger sister. It's refreshing to see that there are at least some people in this world who would go to great lengths to save the people they care about.
Wait, shit, is this thing out of pages?
Damn it!
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>>4784069
So are we going to make a robot puppet for Tesla to migrate to or are we simply excising him?
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>>4784069
>There's a certain look in her eyes that hides a hidden layer of danger that Shinji is apparently completely oblivious to
Thats the raw incestuous energy emanating from her
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>>4784069
Tesla was really good match for her.
>>4784073
We can put him to work and he will be very useful during Clocktower purging arc.
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>>4784059
Hope you get to the transfer student one. I assume that's Shinji + Co's insanity in Waver's class?
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>>4784080
Well sure that would be nice but we’re not letting him use our bodyguard as meatpuppet.
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"This is... terrible" Mash looks out at the ruins of Uruk, the Chaos Tide having completely overwhelmed the city. There wasn't a single human survivor left in all of Uruk, barring their small group.

"Does... Mother really hate humanity this much?" Ishtar speaks softly as the city burns.

"Who knows? The voice of that Beast does not seem to reach us, does it even have a mind of its own? It's simply a mechanism that exists only to destroy the world. The Moment that Tiamat became an Evil of Humanity, I imagine it ceased to be the Tiamat that you knew." Gilgamesh states calmly, analytically observing the situation.

"Then... Then how are we going to stop Mother?" Ishtar frowns. She might have taken her anger out on Uruk in the past, but never ever to a level like this. This was nothing short of complete and total genocide.

"I imagine that when Uruk completely disappears, the evils she has spawned will cease." The king frowns too, still thinking of a means out of their terrible situation. "Still, the time for chatter is over, our Mother approaches." A great layer of clouds surrounding the ginormous goddess disappear. "Ishtar, take to the sky, there is no sense in you remaining grounded here, hover above and wait for my signal."

"Nnh, fine. But you're awfully overconfident for a human. Ritsuka, make sure he sticks with you, and make sure he doesn't do anything rash!" Ishtar, in what would normally be a rare moment of concern for her, demands the Master of Chaldea to ensure Gilgamesh's safety, or at least his inability to do something stupid. Since possessing her current vessel, Ishtar has managed to become quite a bit more tolerable.

"Fool! Ritsuka is sticking with me! Not the other way around! Now, behold the power of the King of Uruk!" Hundreds of projectiles slam into Tiamat, though they barely slow her down.

"But... The Dingir? How are they being fired without being operated?" Mash questions the King of Heroes.

"Ha! The Dingir were designed by ME, they function with MY magical energy, AND THEY ARE CONTROLLED BY ME!" The projectiles keep firing upon the Beast, her progress towards the ziggurat being slowed if ever so slightly.

"But... what about the Lapis Lazuli?" Mash asks a pointless and irritating question.

"Merely a substitute for magical energy, now watch as I show you what I am capable of! I with the blood of both a human, and as much as it irritates me, a god, shall-!

"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA LAAAAAAAAAAAAA" Tiamat's eye glows bright red like a small star before Gilgamesh stumbles backwards. In a fraction of an instant, a single red bolt of energy was fired, piercing through the heart of the King of Uruk without issue.
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"Ah, you would... try to snipe me? This is nothing! Simply a mortal wound! This shall not stop me from my duty to defend Uruk!" Half of Gilgamesh's words are bravado, and the other is genuinely his belief in himself that such a wound will not truly prove capable of being able to stop him. Though as he remains standing without issue despite the baseball sized hole in his chest where his heart should be. There's another flash of light, and the group brace themselves for an impact.

An impact which never comes.

"What's... What's going on?" Mash looks out at the City of Uruk, all traces of Tiamat had just completely disappeared.

>Tiamat is... Gone?
>Did something happen to Tiamat?

"There's... no readout at all! Tiamat's magical energy signature has disappeared entirely from this world!" The holographic projection of Romani sounds more panicked at the sudden disappearance of the Beast than he was by the presence of her in the first place.

"What do you mean she's gone?!" Gilgamesh, despite his mortal wound, is somewhat displeased by Tiamat's disappearance. "Did Beast II escape somehow? But... who could have done such a thing?"

"It appears... It appears as if time had undergone... revision! Revision before our very eyes! Tiamat is... gone from this age entirely!" Romani sounds completely befuddled as he reveals the readouts to the group.

"Then... is it over? Did we... Did we win?" Mash looks at the still burning city. The fires had yet to go out, but the Chaos Tide and the Lahmu, all of them have disappeared.

"No... There's... Something else at play here." Gilgamesh is still ignoring his fatal wound, even with the threat to Uruk disappeared. "Somebody was behind this. Somebody with the power to manipulate even a Beast freely. Such people should not exist, but..." King Gilgamesh trails off, trying his hardest to figure out just what on Earth has occurred.

"Could it have been Solomon?" Mash is still worried that things are about to take a turn for the worse.

"Ha! That fool? I doubt it, even his power to control Tiamat was limited to merely releasing her from her prison. No, this... This must've been the will of Tiamat herself somehow. But... why? She was moments away from achieving her goal of wiping out humanity, so... why would she have left?"
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I miss Monica.

>>4784073
I don't want to leave the angry autist in her head for a second more. We can resummon him later if we want.
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>So... we won then?
>So... mission complete?

"I... I guess so, Senpai. But... this is worrying, we didn't defeat Beast II at all, so... she's still out there somewhere. We're going to need to be on our guard for the person who did this." Mash is clearly very worried by the threat.

"I doubt that whoever did this is a foe. Or that it was even something done on purpose." Gilgamesh looks up to the sky. "I... noticed something the moment Tiamat disappeared and this Singularity began to repair itself, my eyes showed me... An opening to a void without time, a temple containing the means to summon an endless number of Gods, and..." King Gilgamesh suddenly smiles for some reason. "...Outsider." The king collapses to the floor, allowing himself to succumb to the wound he suffered at Tiamat's hands. With his death, the singularity will truly be restored, and proper history will flow in the place of the singularity.

>This kind of feels like an anti-climax.
>Wait a minute... The final boss was a Bel Lahmu?!
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We're not going to marry Monica are we?
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>>4784092
Monica the mega groomer. Touko needs to step up her game!
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>>4784092
I don't think she'll want that.

It's going to be fun when we meet that chaldea crew and tell them exactly why their singularities got fucked up mid-run.
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>>4784089
ur welcome based Gil
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>>4784089
Marauder shields!
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>>4784089
Based. Paradox Incarnated singularity when?
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>>4784083
Of course Monica`s wellbeing takes priority.
But if puppet body is possible and with our money and some really good ideas we could put him to work.
>>4784089
No wonder other Alayas are seething with jealousy.
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>>4784102
>Other Alayas seething with jealousy
Good. They can seethe even more when they see Alaya and Shinji having a one on one H scene in Alaya's world. Every single counter guardian and grand servant they send to us will be recruited to ourside, how reee inducing that must be for the other Alaya's.
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You'll... You'll take this malevolence into your own body! You begin to fully draw the dark energy into your body, and the world goes black as you finish doing so. You wake up on the cold hard floor of the prison. You can see Sakura, and you can even still see Stheno and Euryale, but... Medusa is... missing? No, that's... not quite right. You're Medusa. Wait a second. No that's not right either. You're not Medusa, and you're not Shinji Makiri. Or... Wait a minute...

"Oh fantastic. This is just... great." You get up from the floor. You can hear a voice in the back of your mind.

'Shinji, what... what happened? Why am I possessing you right now and... what are these memories.'

"Ah... Ahahaha... Memories... Medusa?" Your voice is incredibly awkward as you come to a certain realization of the fact that while you may have remained in charge of your body, which is now just as powerful as a Servants, the two of you are... of one mind, sort of. You have access to all of Medusa's thoughts and memories, and she has access to all of your thoughts and memories.

'I just want you to know that I'm very disappointed in you.'

"You... You don't have to look through all that, you know?" You plead with the voice of the woman in your head. Already wondering whether it's a possibility for Medusa to be extracted from you somehow. She can be given her body back, you're pretty sure.

'But I'm having such fun, Shinji! Oh my, is that Rin? What is she doing with all those old men?' Rider's voice is genuinely shocked as she goes through some of the things you would've rather been able to forget since you came to this world. 'Oh dear, is that me and Sakura... with... Shirou, of all people? Scandalous.'

"Please stop, Rider. This... This isn't funny anymore."

'No Shinji, this isn't funny, it's... hilarious. Why on earth do you have such memories locked away? I don't really know if I want the answer, but... there's a whole lot of stuff here... A lot of snakes and dragons too. If I didn't know any better, I'd say you had an... attraction to them...?

"Can we talk about something other than the doujins, Rider, please?! You've got access to my deepest innermost thoughts and memories, so can you please just... discover what I truly am before you go rummaging through my memories of stuff like that?!" You look at Sakura and the two sleeping girls on the floor, before you look down at your own outfit. What was once a dignified suit has been replaced by what can only be called a black and pink male stripper's outfit. This... This is just the worst. You want to disappear. You want another chance. Would killing yourself right here and now maybe let you go to the Taiga Dojo so you could have another choice? Well, if you did it, it would have to be something you didn't make as a conscious choice. A fun joke, but... Well, it's probably better that somebody find out just what's going on in your head half the time.
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How about every other manaka travels to our boi shinji's timeline?
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'Oh, I already realized that the moment you and I became one. It's not really something I want to bother focusing on right now. Right now, lets focus on a few of these delightful memories of yours.'

"You're going to make my life a living hell from now on, aren't you, Rider?" You mutter, this is truly the absolute worst outcome of events. Medusa is never ever going to let you live this down, even if she's given her body back, she's going to hold this over your head for the rest of your life. You've got a great deal of power available to you now, that's true, but the price that power came at is... well, a cost greater than any you would've ever thought possible. Your choices are now to allow yourself to be bullied by Rider from within your own mind for the rest of your life, or attempt release Rider and risk everyone else finding out what she now knows about you. You should've just let her fight her own battle at the end there. That's pretty clear now. Maybe you can bribe Medusa into pretending to forget what she now knows about you?

Probably not.
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we might the right decision not fusing with her
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>>4784120
It would have satisfied the fetishes of certain people.......
me....
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>>4784113
>pic related is how we look like
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>>4784125
Good.
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>>4784113
Damn, I underestimated how chill Medusa is.
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>>4784111
Oh no, not the doujins. Anything but the doujins. Those filthy, disgusting, dragon and snek and Sakura vore doujins. Even the memes are better.

>>4784120
Definitely the right decision.
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>>4784111
>>4784113
>Medusa went right for doujin memories and was specifically searching for dragon and snake monster girls
Intriguing.
>>4784120
Non-Carnival version would have been more serious I imagine.
Medusa doing some meta commentary would have spice things are a bit too.
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>>4784130
Medusa reaction to Femme Fetale doujin when?
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>>4784125
didn't canon!Shinji also get put in a deathloop?
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Solving harem issues would have been such a wild ride with rent free Medusa.
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>>4784134
i care so little for what happened to canon shinji that i couldnt tell you even if you put a gun against my head, anon
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That golden sword of truth that is being wielded by Shinji. I... I want to make a weapon like that too! Trace on. I activate my magic circuits. Shinji doesn't appreciate the beauty of the weapon he so casually created. The golden light that makes it up is of a greater level than any weapon I've ever seen before. No, it's a thousand orders of magnitude beyond them all, comparing the Noble Phantasms of Servants to a weapon like this is like comparing a child's hand painting to a masterpiece from the Renaissance. The two simply don't compare. This sword. I need to hold it for myself.

First step: Judging the Concept of Cre-

My mind freezes. My blood freezes. My body freezes. My brain works overtime just trying to figure out the concept of which the weapon was formed. Truth. What... What is Truth? Why can my mind not comprehend it? It's a sword, right? So... why is it that... Why is it that I can't figure out... It's a sword. I feel my body start to seize up, before it comes apart in a show of white light. In that moment, I am liberated from this world. I successfully manage to parse the concept of Truth, and as a result, I cease to be. I hear the last few words of Shinji before ascending.

"What the fuck?"

DEAD END.

"No Saber! Don't use Excalibur! I have a better idea!" A blade of prismatic light appears in my mind's eye. If absolute destruction is what we're looking for, than this weapon is something even greater than Saber's Excalibur. A blade taken from a God of War, repurposed into a weapon of mass destruction by its new wielder and used to bring civilizations to their knees. Yes, the sword of Attila the Hun... No, the Sword of Ares. While Excalibur could be called a blade of victory, the concept taking form in the light of the blade's swing, victory doesn't necessarily bring destruction. Not like War does.

I strain my body to its limits as I trace the Divine Construct, the supreme blueprints provided to me by Shinji allow me to trace even those weapons which are beyond my normal limits. Though my copy of the weapon is significantly downgraded from the original still, it's undoubtedly the Sword of Mars. The weapon of the War God appears in my hand, but... I hadn't taken into account one thing. The... connection to the God Ares. Before I can use the blade to generate the attack necessary to obliterate the growing ball of metal following after us, a circle of magic appears directly above us all, none of us even see the attack coming, as a beam of deadly heat and light purges all in its path. Shinji notices the beam at the same time he sees the sword I wield.

"Shirou you fucking idio-"

DEAD END.
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Of all the weapons that were shown to me by the supreme blueprints Shinji had access to, there is... there is one that stands out among all the others. A weapon... a blade, that would surely kill any God or even those beings beyond God. Not through imposing a concept of death upon them or forcing them to become mortal, but simply by completely and utterly obliterating every trace of their existence. Slash Emperor: The ultimate blade that represents a potential future of Humanity. I don't know how Shinji managed to see something like this, or attain blueprints for its creation superior to even what I can discern through structural analysis, but... It's a supreme blade. Even compared to Excalibur or the weapon wielded by Gilgamesh, Slash Emperor exists entirely on a separate level. A weapon of humanity from the far future, excelling at the function of slaying Ultimate Ones. Slash Emperor as a singular weapon is something that could overpower even the maximum strength of the planet. A weapon forged after the death of Gaia, not suffering from limitations that other weapons must face. If it were to be used against a planet, then that planet would surely be destroyed. If it were to be used against a God, then that God would surely meet their death. Slash Emperor is itself a Doomsday Weapon, a weapon that consumes planets. A weapon that destroys the world for the sake of humanity.

He wasn't sure how things had come to this, somehow, Shinji and the rest were incapable of stopping Orochi, and though they had managed to disrupt his plans, Orochi managed to escape from them and begin to cause havoc. The huge eight headed snake dragon was headed on a war path directly towards Fuyuki. There's no other option left. No other weapon is great enough to defeat such an enemy. I follow all the steps of creation, ignoring the withering pain as my body starts to undergo necrosis as a result of trying to form the weapon.

Finally, the seed in which Slash Emperor sprouts from is within my hand. The blade that destroys planets. Slash Emperor. Gods, being aspects of the planet, are of course extra susceptible to the power of the weapon. It's only natural for aspects of a planet to be weak to something that has the power to consume planets. The mere act of tracing the seed has given me the ability to float with it as it grows. To wield it as its original... or perhaps rather, its potential future owner, would wield it. The sword grows massively, until the blade itself towers over both Orochi and the tallest buildings in Fuyuki.
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I bring the blade down on the rampaging god.

The results are impossible, they cannot be put into words.

So for now, let me just give you the results.

The blade cuts downwards through the god, and splits them in twain. Instead of healing as it should have been able, the Beast simply dissolves into light and leaves nothing left without even a sound of surprise.

In other words.

A God cut, defeated.

Dead End.
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Pretty much exactly that I was expecting.
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>>4784158
Based
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>>4784158
Based death, full on GAR
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>>4784158
lmao is that based on the Musashi cutting Chaos path text?
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>>4784158
Awesome.

However, Artoria needs you bro. Stay with us.
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>>4784158
Based Chad Slash Emperor Shirou. I'm guessing Shinji died in this timeline.
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Enjoying the Carnival so far?
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>>4784176
yes
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>>4784176
ofc, now give us the Beast at Chaldea
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>>4784176
Yes! Are we going to see Shinji-chan or Ayaka soon?
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>>4784176
this is based yes
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>>4784180
its really low on the list so probably not this Paradox Carnival
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>>4784176
Yes.
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>>4784176
Yes.
Wish we could have seem the dojos from shirou's deaths
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>>4784069
She really like us, dont she?
We need to save her before something happens.
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>>4784089
its funny, SF ishtar stole ishtarin's bull and we stole her mother.
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>>4784158
Based shirou doing murder suicide to another being stronger than him.
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>>4784158
I admit, I expected him tracing Slash Emperor to have been more stupid. Was a badass dead end, bro.

>>4784176
Hell yeah.

>>4784190
Agreed. And not just from his tracing either, I bet he did stupid shit like jumping into Ibaraki's flames to protect Saber when they got attacked. Maybe next Carnival.
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>first death is shirou being zero summing because he realizes the truth
>second is him not realizing that Photon Ray is aimed at his current position and he has to redirect it
>third is the death of a hero

Cool shit.
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"So... let me get this straight, the Clocktower... has a blind date... sweepstakes?" Alan was intrigued by this whole sweepstakes thing, it turns out that every male magus is signed up to it, and once a year, one magus is randomly picked! While normally, he wouldn't have bothered indulging himself in such a silly sounding game, it's not like his other self really had anything better to do, and it's not like Shinji was around either.

"That's right, Alan." Waver groans. "Or well... it's more like a randomly assigned punishment." His teacher groans. While Alan was more powerful by a great deal than any of the idiot humans in this ridiculous building, he was still intrigued by just how they carried about their lives. The best humans to torment are the ones who think they have power. Their power as they considered it was naught but a fleeting gasp for air in a cold lifeless void. These humans... weren't important, but it was fun to indulge the ones who thought they were.

"In... what way is it a punishment, Sir?" If he really wanted to know, he could simply connect to his other self, and access all of the information this world has, but... again, what's the fun in that? Half the fun of playing around in this world was getting to experiment with it. This world wasn't much more than a toy box in the grand scheme of things. If he wished it, he could erase this world at it's origin point at the instant it was formed with his full power, but that's all kinds of boring. No, he was mostly here for that one boy, but there's nothing saying he can't have a little bit of fun with the rest of them.

"Well, it's uh... I'm sorry about this Alan, but... I'm pretty sure they'd organize me to be killed if I mentioned anything else, you're just going to have to... hope that you survive the next few hours." Waver Velvet, a pitiable man who thinks he is in any sort of position to pity somebody else. Lord El-Melloi II, a fancy title that roughly translates to 'Reines' Bitch' in Layman's terms.

"So what, I've... just got to go to this room listed on this letter?" It looks to be some sort of private room in the Aristocrat controlled part of the Clocktower, interesting... Who could the one behind this 'blind date' be then? Likely somebody in the Aristocrat faction with a great deal of trouble getting men to approach them. Well, whatever.
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"Well, it would be best if you made a will first, but... that's about it, yeah. I'm really sorry about this, Alan." Waver apologizes again, well for whatever reason, the man does seem to be at least concerned about his well-being, so it might not be the best to respond with active scorn for him. Most humans are deserving of contempt, but even among humans that aren't him, there are those... who perhaps deserve some degree of acknowledgment. Though magi in general are fools trying to reach beyond their station. The Root? There's multiple beings across this world's timelines who have direct access to such a thing, and if he were willing to wield his full power against them, they would be destroyed in an instant along with their planet. To somebody like him, the Root is, at the end of the day, simply another tool.

"I'll be fine, Sir. Trust me." Alan remains as professional and composed as he normally does. He does enjoy this persona a great deal. He could only imagine how he could drive the heads of this institute to madness simply by announcing his presence to them. The only one who could be a bother is that Zelretch, but... well, he's been blocked off from entering this world directly. Serves him right for being a known vector! "Now, the message indicated that I must meet her no later than 11:30am, so I'll speak with you later."

A date. It's strange, he'd never been on a blind date before, he'd interacted with humanity through a host of vessels and containers in the past, true, but he'd never taken as much of an active interest in them as he has thanks to Shinji's presence. The idea that something on a higher scale to him could happily live life as a human was... intriguing. What was so great about being a human anyway? They are weak, they die quickly, they are downright inferior to those Gods that they once worshiped even after 'out-growing' their worship. Quite ridiculous, those Gods may have served to protect them against the threats that could emerge from the stars beyond humanity. Well, some of them, at least.

He makes his way to the room, which he finds is locked. Knocking on the door earns him a response from the inhabitant. "What's the word on the bottom left of the letter?" The woman's voice sounds frustrated and annoyed. She's clearly been forced into this as well, which... well, it's a little bit strange that both people involved on a blind date seem to be somewhat unwilling participants to it.

"It's wind." It doesn't take long for Alan to relay the information to the woman behind the door, and a clicking sound from the door invites him to open it. He's not at all nervous, but even so, he takes a deep breath as he opens up the door. Prepared to be pleasantly surprised by whatever awaits him beyond the door. Honestly, no matter who it is, this is bound to be at least a mildly amusing way to spend the afternoon.
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"Good. I was waiting for you. Let's just get this out of the way." The woman sitting at the table is none other than Lorelei Barthomeloi, the intrigue of this situation thickens, whatever could the so called 'Queen of the Clocktower' be doing, going out on blind dates with random members of the Clocktower? "Look, before you ask me some stupid question about what this is all about, I'm just going to tell you. Every year, by agreement with my family, I agree to go on a single date. Congratulations on being chosen. Now, before we get started, what's your name, rank, and family status?" The woman is annoyingly all business, hell, even he knew more about how dates were supposed to work than this woman. No wonder her family have had to effectively resort to abusing their power in the clocktower.

"You're kind of demanding, aren't you? This is meant to be a date, not a survey. You need to-" The woman cuts him off. Unbelievably.

"I asked you a question." Her eyes narrow, but Alan narrows his own eyes to match her, cutting him off mid sentence is a guaranteed way to piss him off.

"Well, I told you that I don't really feel like answering it. You don't hold any power over me. If you want to actually date somebody, then how about you get off your high horse and start acting like a human being?" Honestly, nothing pissed him off more than humans acting like they were beyond humanity. You're not going to rise above your station, so don't act like you are! Is that really too much to ask?

"Well, you're not a coward. Or you're remarkably stupid." The woman at the table drums her metal gloved hand against the surface, probably in some doomed attempt to intimidate him. Ha! Queen of the Clocktower or not, she's no threat. "But... you're at least more entertaining than the rest of the 'dates' I've had in the past. So... take a seat, I assume you already know who I am, but for the sake of formalities, I am Barthomeloi Lorelei, and you are?"

"Alan Thorpe, first generation magus and conqueror of a billion planets." Lorelei raises an eyebrow at that, but apparently dismisses it as a joke. It wasn't a joke. "My rank is... well, I'm only a Cause right now." If he wanted to, he could've blown away the entire evaluation department to get the rank of Grand, but that's no fun. You become unapproachable and people become wary of you if they are of the belief that you are somebody a great deal above them.
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"A first generation magus...? What sort of magecraft are you studying?" Lorelei, despite herself, appears to be interested in him. Well, that's fine, he supposes.

"The alignment of the stars and the effect that the cosmos can have on humanity." He can barely suppress a smile. Too easy.

A few hours pass, and eventually, Alan leaves the room adjusting his creased suit alongside a disheveled looking Lorelei. The woman is a bright red shade of crimson as she scurries off down the corridor. So... was that what humans enjoy then? He'll have to tell Waver all about this.
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>>4784223
Tell me whatis, was there handholding involved?
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>>4784223
I was thinking you were going to set him up with Yang Guifei somehow.
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>>4784226
There may have been some excessively lewd consensual handholding going on.
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>>4784228
You were planning on doing that in the quest itself, no?
I wanted to make this a surprise.
It's also not really much of a blind date if you already know the other person.
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>>4784223
Based Alan
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>>4784223
Alan is a chad
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>>4784236
Wish we were
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>>4784223
Damn, Alan. Making Lorelei a tomato is no easy feat, great job.
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>>4784222
>Every year, by agreement with my family, I agree to go on a single date.
That's not gonna happen to us when we go right?
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>>4784223
Man, Alan has game.
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>>4784241
>That's not gonna happen to us when we go right?
Haha
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>>4784232
>You were planning on doing that in the quest itself, no?
I do hope we get a chance. Cthugha is pretty good at keeping Nyarly on his toes and behaving nicely.
>I wanted to make this a surprise.
It was superb, no complaints here.
He even has better moral compass than most of magi if we judge by internal monologue.
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And honestly after seeing this we better asking Alan for love advices.
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>>4784253
Or Shirou, they’re both more based than us
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>>4784214
>Lord El-Melloi II, a fancy title that roughly translates to 'Reines' Bitch'
Savage, based Nyarly.
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>>4784254
>"Shinji, you just need to put your sword inside her scabbard."
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>>4784260
Explain further.
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>>4784260
You lost me.
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>>4784260
Instructions unclear, Avalon caught in ceiling fan.
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"OK, Mash, have you got your shield? We've got enough resources to summon another Servant." Ritsuka was ready to summon another Servant, hopefully she'd be able to summon somebody strong enough to help them get through the Lostbelts. She only just managed to get through Russia, and the next one is looking like it's going to be even more of a challenge to get through. She needed to be strong though, the world... everyone was counting on her to be strong. If she gave up, then there would be no hope for the world she knew, everyone would disappear without a chance to bring it back.

"I have, Senpai! Preperations are ready, preparing Heroic Spirit Summoning Ceremony! Activating the..." The lights turn off as all power is lost to Novum Chaldea. Red lightning crackles around the center of the summoning chamber, a feeling of dread washes over all within the facility. The circle activates all by itself, having siphoned away the full power of the facility. The red lightning increases in intensity until finally, a tanned man with white hair is standing in the center of the circle.

"Wow, so, Beast X? A bit of an odd classification if you ask me, but I suppose it will have to do. Good day, Chaldea! I am the Beast of Alaya, and I'm here to solve this 'bleaching' problem you might be having."

"A... A beast?! Here!? Everyone! Get everyone to-!" The man snaps his fingers, and the lights all come back on, though more importantly the security doors are somehow hacked and locked in an instant. A small crystal is hovering around near the man.

"Yeah... that... that won't be a thing you'll be doing. You see, I'm here as a... I guess you could call me a temporary transfer student? Your Alaya keeps shitting the bed and allowing her world to end, so I'm here to put a stop to that." The man speaks cryptically. "I don't enjoy doing the work of those Counter Force Janitors, but sometimes you just need to step in to stop some stupid shit from happening." The man laughs. "Allow me to introduce myself, my name is (You), though I go by other names, Beast ought to suffice, God knows that DW isn't giving you poor saps a chance to summon another one."

"So... you're a Beast, but... you're on our side?"

"Yeah, funny about how that works, look at your stupid rabbit dog, or maybe Holmes. Did you know that Cu Chulainn in his Caster form is probably just Odin?"

"I... what? What about Holmes?" Mash is quick to jump to the defense of the detective against this mysterious Beast.

"Look... you guys don't even know that Olga Marie is Beast VII yet, do you?" He flippantly changes to topic to something else that is equally unbeleivable.

"WHAT?!" Mash is even more worked up now.
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"Well, I don't know the exact details here, but Beast VII has taken the form of Olga Marie. This was probably all part of Marisbury's doings, but I can't say for certain. Basically, Chaldea is a mistake, and the two gormless retards that won the Grail War in this world ruined everything for everyone else." The Beast shrugs. "But never fear, for I'm here to save the day! Your friendly neighborhood Beast-kun has arrived! Move over useless mascot characters! The real muscle has arrived!"

"I... I have no idea what's going on." Ritsuka is left completely bewildered.

"Aww, you're no fun, why couldn't I have been summoned to a Chaldea with a fun version of you?" The Beast is visibly disappointed by Ritsuka's reactions. "Come here, I'm going to apply the concept of Riyo to you." The man may have a warm smile on his face, yet his eyes are visibly deranged.

"W-wait! Get away from her!"

"You stay out of this, eggplant! I'm making this story less of a monotonous slog!" He starts speaking madness again.

"Aren't you supposed to be helping?!" Mash struggles to hold the man back from Ritsuka.

"I am helping! The audience will love a more entertaining main character!" Ritsuka is fairly certain that this Beast must have some form of Madness Enhancement, he's not making a lot of sense here.
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>>4784282
>>4784284
So our most CHAD form is Beast of Alaya? Good to know.
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>>4784282
I hope the other Alayas humbly apologized to our Alaya for coasting on her strength and then trying to murder her when she asserted her independence before we agreed to do some janny work for them.
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>>4784295
I hope our Alaya did Oh ho ho ho laugh at them.
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>>4784284
...i thought this was gonna be Tiamat!Sakura at Singularity arc Chaldea

still funny tho
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>>4784301
I might write that idea next.
I'm on a roll.
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>>4784306
Do it. And what the fuck fuels you, 7 was a conservative estimate after all.
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>>4784306
Do so. Sounds fun.
I also have high hopes for Foreigner Shinji and Wuxia Protagonist Shinji.
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>>4784309
Carnival fuels me.
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>>4784301
Some time-fuckery like Summer Hinako being summoned to a pre-lostbelt Chaldea?
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Sometimes it was tough to get by as a magus from a relatively newly established family, especially one with as many problems as his family, Roland Heydon was the newest student to sign onto the Modern Magecraft Theory class. Whereas most of the classes in the Clocktower were basically driven by wealth and nepotism, it was said that El-Melloi II's class was something that anybody could realize their potential within. Still, it wasn't easy being the newest student in the class, which is why Roland was especially happy with the news that a new group of Students were joining the class. "Everyone, I'd like to introduce you to a new batch of Transfer Students, as well as the woman who will be... helping me teach modern magecraft theory, Mrs. Colchis." The violet haired woman curtsies slightly at her introduction.

The woman starts her lecture. "Hello, I hear that you're all very well versed in modern magecraft theory, and I believe it will be a complete delight to teach all of you! Now, let's get started, where's the copper plate sacrifice bowl?" Mrs. Cholchis looks up at Lord El-Melloi II, who shakes his head. "The hydra blood?" Another shake. "The harpy feathers? Griffin Hearts? Siren Hair?" The new teacher is looking visibly frustrated now. "...What a poorly stocked institute of learning. Luckily enough, I brought my own. So..." Waver suddenly coughs into his hand to get her attention

"Mrs. Colchis. A word." El-Melloi calls the teacher out of the room, leaving the students to properly get acquainted with the new students. The bunch of them had all apparently come from Japan or somewhere, but it probably wasn't really that important where they came from, especially when it's somewhere as irrelevant as Japan. Nothing important to magic ever happens in that backwater! The apparent 'leader' of the group of new transfers was an overly confident looking kid, Shinji, he was flanked almost at all times by his sister, Sakura, who seemed way too clingy. Just like the other girl clinging to him. Chiyome. Finally, there was... the ginger kid, Shirou, who didn't look like he at all belonged, and finally, Rin. A lot of the younger boys in the class were very much interested in the three attractive girls that these new students brought with them, though the blue haired one, Shinji... He seemed to be way too popular with the ladies in the class, already he was attracting a few gazes from some of the more emotionally open girls. That bastard.

The blue haired boy walks directly up to him, and smiles as he looks him in the eye. "Excuse me, but... your family... Are you suffering from a bloodline curse?" He just... He just went up and asked! That's... That's supposed to be a great secret of the Heydon family! How the hell does he know?!

There's no point in denying it now, he thinks. "Well, yes, the Heydon Family were cursed two hundred years ago. But... why are you asking?"
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"I was wondering if you wanted me to remove it for you, it seems like a nasty curse too, a curse on the magic circuits? Yeesh, your ancestors must've pissed off the wrong person to get something like this laid upon them." How... How the hell does he know that!? It's one of the Heydon Family's biggest secrets! At the age of 35, the magic circuits in any given magus born from the blood of the Heydon would combust, killing them instantly. It was how he lost his father six years ago and of course, he didn't tell his wife until a week before his death. A real class act. But... remove it? Ha! Fat chance, this bloodline curse is of the type that can't be removed, Roland had long since given up on the idea of getting it removed, they'd need something equivalent to an Authority over Curses to do tha-

The black haired girl wearing a medical eye patch touches him once, and he feels a strange sensation in his body, he could feel the twisted embrace of the curse unravel in his body. To know that he was no longer guaranteed death at the age of 35, he could... hardly believe what happened. "What... What did you do?"

"I simply had Chiyome break your curse." The man shrugs. "It wasn't exactly a complicated curse, not for somebody who has taken care of divine exorcisms before." He smiles. "Now, Roland, let's get along, shall we? I'm Shinji Makiri, and you strike me as the sort of person who longs for a new world." There's a hidden layer of threat in his words. They aren't directed at him though, rather they are directed at the entire world. This guy... this guy wasn't just some random transfer student from Japan! This guy was genuinely dangerous, and what's more, he'd just effortlessly put him in a situation where he owed him a true debt! What the hell is up with this guy?! He offers a hand to shake, and his smile never falters the entire time. It feels like if he shook his hand, he'd be agreeing to a deal with the devil, yet even so he takes it.
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"R-right, Lets get along, Shinji." There was really nothing else he could say. Roland had no choice but to try to keep an eye on Shinji, a guy like that... he was really dangerous, and both El-Melloi II and Mrs. Colchis seemed all too happy to just completely ignore the threat that he represented to their way of life, to the Clocktower's existence!

Roland tried his hardest to keep and eye on Shinji and his subordinates over the next few weeks, but outside of Shinji effortlessly acing every single test given to him, he had no evidence of any suspicious activity. Shinji just... wasn't the sort of person to be found unless he wanted to be found. In fact, while he was thankful that he so effortlessly broke the curse that was on his bloodline, all that managed to do was spark his curiosity. He wanted to know more about Shinji and his allies, and consistently tried to amass evidence against what he perceived were a group of students with less than stellar intentions towards the Clocktower... He didn't even really want to stop them, he just wanted to join them. He didn't want to just be forced to stand to the side as these hugely influential people moved about. He didn't just want to be some footnote! He'd find evidence of their wrong-doings, by God he would!
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>>4784158
Based

>>4784223
Impressive
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>>4784325
Clocktower Harry Potter arc is going to be so much fun!

And nepotism rules!
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Evangelion Crossover?
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>>4784325
Nice.

Damn Chiyome... we really owe gramps for this supply of reliable friends.
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How about Shinji Makiri meeting with the rest of the Shinji's, Beast Shinji included.

It's like Shirou meeting redman and Muramasa.

Or better yet, Shinji and Zolgen being a family
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>>4784325
Finally caught up with the thread after bein busy for the past few hours. Having fun so far, hopefully you are also having fun writing these WhatIs :D

I mean they are fun ideas. Pic is unrelated of course
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>>4784332
>Eva crossover
Get in the robot Shinji. Or Sakura has to do it again.

(How would our Shinji do if he was thrust into the world of EVA anyways? I wonder how easy it’d be for our Shinji to make third impact just not happen)
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>>4784337
Shinji Saving Zolgen from madness could be fun
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>>4784344
Shit i dont even want to imagine what would happen. I just chuckle at the meeting between the two Shinjis.
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>>4784337
>Shinji giving Zouken a good end redemption arc

Was there any way this could have even been done in-quest? IIIRC even in thread 0 niggas were like 'wormfuck gotta go, non-negotiable'
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>>4784357
Not without Justeaze.
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>>4784337
Shinji, Zolgen and Byakuya trying to be a family would be pretty funny.
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>>4784360
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>>4784369
Shinji! You can't do that! You've changed the future! You've created a Time Paradox Reincarnator!
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>>4784360
hey QM, how would the carnival had worked if we refused to give our signature?
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>>4784321
>he was flanked almost at all times by his sister, Sakura, who seemed way too clingy
Based and cute, now I'm even more excited for our Clock Tower adventures
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I just remembered that maybe we should've had a skit where we kept arguing with all the ruler and conquerer servants about borders and strategy
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>>4784374
Kidnapping.
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So carnival over?
What now?
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>>4784399
food
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>>4784325
>Teacher Medea

I want it
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>>4784399
Well next one should be Wuxia and after that it's either harem date part 2 or highschool shenanigans
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>>4784399
Carnival not over.
QM is write.
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>>4784172
ye
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>>4784407
QM made it based instead of fucking retarded
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>>4784172
>>4784407
I was hoping somebody would pick up on it actually.
EMIYA has been promoted to being a better suicide bomber than Okita Alter
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>>4784407
The nips really can’t stop jerking off to musashi huh

Just fucking call her Grand Saber already, DW.
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>>4784411
I think its just Sakurai jerking off their waifu
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>>4784387
So am I, anon.

>>4784390
We'll probably be doing that in the main quest at some point.
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>>4784412
Wait isn’t sakurai the one who wrote that shitheap of a singularity, Septem?
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>>4784410
Hopefully not for long for either of them.
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>>4784417
Yes, notice a pattern?
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>>4784412
Doesnt Nasu write Musashi, since he also wrote the end of LB5 after Zeus, as a co-writer.
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>>4784410
We need to remember to also share our sword wiki info with EMIYA.
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>>4784403
Did you notice that it's Mrs. Colchis instead of Miss Colchis?

>>4784409
Sasuga WhatIs

>>4784410
>Archer disliked that
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>>4784422
He co wrote Olympus that I'm sure of
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>>4784421
Oh definitely, no wonder I felt like skipping all her dialogue. I guess musashi really IS just JP Nero like I thought she was.
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>>4784424
Sure did my man, and I hope we got Ceil to wed her and Shinji
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>>4784428
Seems pretty cruel unless we start dating Ciel too
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Curious that Satsuki wasn't with us at class though.
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>>4784431
Ig QM is just using people that are 100% going
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>>4784424
I like that Medea just straight up brings long lost monster materials to her classes like it’s chalk or some paper
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>>4784437
Waver is gonna have a stroke before the year is over
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>>4784437
Well, that's just what a diligent teacher has to do to help the poor students of a school that's low on essential supplies. How else can she teach them?
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>>4784410
Does that mean he gets better severance pay?

>>4784424
It is perfection.
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>>4784447
So, today is just carnival?
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>>4784455
Just Carnival today, yes.
It's a day of rest.
Sakura Beast in Chaldeas coming up
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>>4784442
With her bo——
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I missed the last thread due to work and there's too many posts to go through so i want to ask. Are we still following the proposed plan for the day or are we going to resolve all of the harem problems today?
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>With her bo
Ah yes, Medea has actually undergone Shaolin training in order to properly teach Self Defence, she was embarassed at jobbing to Rin in another Timeline.
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>>4784461
You're still following the plan for the day, I think next up was your plan to get castrated by Tamamo.
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>>4784465
it'll heal no biggie
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>>4784457
>Sakura Beast in Chaldeas coming up
Yes!

>>4784461
I don't see any reason to deviate from the plan. We don't have to resolve the entire Shinjibowl in a single day, just the most critical ones.
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"H-hello, I'm... I'm Sakura Makiri-Tohsaka, and I've been summoned as your... Beast-Class Servant? Is... Is my Onii-chan here?" The girl standing in the center of the summoning circle tilts her head and smiles at Ritsuka and Mash.

"W-wait a second... did you say... Beast-Class Servant?!" Da Vinci is actually doing their job for once, and ensuring that no Servants that are summoned to Chaldea are actually dangerous and potential threats to the whole operation. Which is a surprise, considering the sixty six Caster Gilles running about. Maybe she just got bored of running the scam shop. She slams an emergency button that was recently installed, allowing for an emergency physical sealing of any Servant summoned into Chaldea. The magically enchanted metal was as powerful as blessed divine metal, and would prove unbreakable for even the most powerful Servants. "Phew. Sorry, you two, but we can't take any risks when it comes to anybody who would introduce them as a Beast-Class Servant, that girl is an Evil of Humanity and..."

A pair of soft looking hands suddenly puncture through the thick layer of magical steel, and easily rend through the metal as easily as one might tear through aluminum foil. "That wasn't very nice! I was just asking a question!"

"Impossible! The magical enchantments were all... dissolved in an instant! What sort of a Monster is this girl?! That was designed to withstand somebody at Heracles' level of strength!

"Hold on, Da Vinci, I... I don't think Sakura is a bad person, In fact, she's... She's a Sakuraface!" Ritsuka tries to calm Da Vinci down from doing anything rash, this girl obviously isn't hostile despite her status as a Beast. In fact, she might be just like Fou, a Beast of Humanity that is actually an ally to Humanity, but... why would she have been summoned as a Beast? Is that even possible? Well, it may have been a result of her Independent Manifestation, if she truly is a Beast.

"Excuse me, but what did you just say? What's a Sakuraface?" The girl standing in the middle of the now broken to pieces metal containment box. That box was meant to be able to contain the strongest of Heroic Spirits, and yet she tore through it like it was paper. This truly is the level of strength only available to a Beast.

"W-well, it's... a term that a girl called BB coined, actually, she... looks just like you." Ritsuka tries to mollify the girl, who already doesn't sound pleased by the term even existing.

"Oh. I see." The expression on Sakura's face is unreadable. "I don't remember giving her permission to use my name to create a term like that." Her voice is cold. "Sakuraface... So... she's not the only one, is she?" The previously friendly voice of the girl is as cold as a blizzard of ice tearing through a forest in winter. There's no doubt about it, this girl is way more dangerous than any of the other Servants that have been summoned to Chaldea. In fact...
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>>4784465
The fox fans have been telling me it'll be fine. I choose to trust them on this.
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>>4784465
She still need biological children. We are fine.
She will just daterape us.
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"Mash..." Ritsuka leans over to the light purple haired girl to whisper in their ear. "You... should probably go and warn Kama, Parvati and the rest of the Sakurafaces to... stay out of the way for a while, this girl... I don't know how she'd respond to meeting one of the people who share her face..." Ritsuka would very much prefer not losing any of her Servants to infighting because of the new Beast throwing a tantrum over her face being copied so much, resummoning some of those Servants would be a total chore. Ritsuka turns back to Sakura. "Well, your Onii-chan isn't here... but... why don't I lead you to your room?" This girl was going to be handful to deal with, Ritsuka could already tell. Already she knew that she was going to have a bigger headache dealing with her than with even Kiara.

Ritsuka manages to eventually lead the girl out of the summoning chamber and down the halls of Chaldea. "This place is... so boring and sterile." The girl complains as she follows the Master of Chaldea through the plain and generic looking corridors. Ritsuka had to agree, the faux-sci-fi look of Chaldeas was a little grating sometimes, white plastic and white metal and white doors everywhere.

Everything quickly goes wrong, however, when a certain Mesopotamian Goddess comes strolling haplessly down the corridor. She stops right in front of Sakura, blocking the path of the girl who already seems to be displeased by her presence. "Hold on... I feel like I know you somehow...? Not the vessel, but... you've got a familiar feeling to you. Like we're close as... Divine Spirits, mayb- URK" The last thing that Ritsuka was expecting was for a tendril like ribbon of shadow to materialize from nothing and lash around Ishtar's neck.

"Sakura! Stop!" Ritsuka is powerless to do anything to actually stop the girl, she looks down at her command spells for a moment, one of them ought to be able to stop Sakura, but she doesn't want to use one of them on the newly summoned Servant unless it's truly hopeless and there's no other way.

"This... I recognize this goddess, she's the same goddess who tried to possess Illyasviel back when I was alive, she was more than happy to try to erase the entire personality of the girl she was trying to take control of, and yet here I find you again. In my sister. Ishtar." There's an angry look in the eyes of Sakura, and Ritsuka can only watch and hope the situation manages to resolve itself peacefully.

"It's... A... Mutual... Arrangement!" The girl chokes out.
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"...A mutual arrangement?" The Sakura's voice is even colder than it was when she heard about the whole idea of 'Sakurafaces' now. "You're the sort of person who would steal the body of an innocent girl and erase her personality for the sake of a petty grudge. Why would I ever believe you after what you did? When you're stealing the body of my sister for your own means!?" The eyes of Sakura flash purple, and unbelievably, she grows taller and a pair of very familiar looking horns start to grow out of her head. No...

"Rin... Rin is in here too!" That seems to be enough to get Sakura to release Ishtar. Thankfully, this didn't all have to get violent after all. "No way... You're... You've got... Mother inside of you?" Ishtar recognizes the traits of Tiamat within the girl. "No... That... That shouldn't be possible."

"I want you to understand this. The only reason that you're not dead right now, is that you're not my Rin. You're a Rin from another world, and somebody who my Rin would probably think of as 'expendable'. If you had tried to touch the people from my world, well..." Sakura gives Ishtar a fake friendly smile, and the Divine Spirit Pseudo-Servant takes that as her opportunity to scarper as quickly as her legs could carry her. "Sorry about that, Master, I just wanted to get some ground rules set!" She gives a happy smile at Ritsuka, and it sends a shiver down her spine. This girl... This girl not only has the full power of Tiamat at her disposal whenever she wants it, but... the ability to nullify any supernatural ability. This girl could slaughter everyone in Chaldea without breaking a sweat. She's more powerful even than the Beast II that was faced in Babylonia.

Ritsuka could only hope that this girl truly was on the side of humanity. Looks like they might have to look into summoning her Onii-chan after all, whoever that is.
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>>4784470
She does need a wrangler thats usually Nero. Maybe someone else can fill in or we can beg Nero to fulfill her class feature and Save us.
Our work with the fox may have been point raising and give us leeway if she was watching through its eyes.
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So that's eight, can we get to ten?
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>>4784480
absolute unit
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>>4784470
Nero makes it easier but you completely refused to talk to her

>>4784480
lets fucking do it, i wanna see super date part 2
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>>4784484
Nero must be really confused by the strange gathering she found herself in.
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>>4784474
That was beautiful.

>>4784477
Absolutely not. Nero will NOT be anyone's wrangler. We'll work it out by ourselves or not at all. It defeats the entire purpose otherwise. Wasn't that what we agreed with Sakura and Medea?

>>4784480
One can only hope, but with your usual schedule I see even a dozen or more as a possibility.
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If we do get to Date Part 2, do you want me to update it for the new girls?
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>>4784494
they're entertaining, umu
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>>4784494
yes
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>>4784494
Yes. Maybe only new girls and Altrouge with Manaka?
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>>4784494
Some last minute adjustments to the plan would only make it more FUN.
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>>4784494
Actually, wait, better idea.
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>>4784494
Yes please. I’d love to see Nero get involved :D
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>>4784497
there are only like 5 new girls so it wouldn't be as hectic as last time
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>>4784493
I do kinda view Medea as pseudo Sakura wrangler amongst other things, as a clear hierarchy was more clearly rejected because of her as clear example and as an anti-competition focus.
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>>4784495
>>4784496
>>4784497
>>4784498
Well, alright, time for SUDDENLY EVEN MORE LETTERS arrive.
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>>4784504
This is the only time romance isn't painful
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>>4784474
>You're a Rin from another world, and somebody who my Rin would probably think of as 'expendable'.
Us and Rin probably taught Sakura the wrong lessons about NPCs
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>>4784493
honestly even if we don't want a competition or a hierarchy there's clearly going to be an unspoken one
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>>4784503
I think you and I have a very different definition of the word "wrangler"

>>4784504
Didn't you say you have a better idea?

>>4784507
You mean the right lessons.

>>4784510
I believe that too. But running off to Nero to wrangle Tamamo is very much a spoken one.
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>>4784499
>>4784504
Last date plan was great but I am a bit sad we might not get to a part where we punch Servants to death ourselves.
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>>4784511
It would've been ripping the ending of the original Ba-dump date too much, I realized how I could easily include even more hell.
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>>4784513
Wuxia should be next, I'm sure WhatIs can pull it off.

>>4784514
Looking forward to it
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>>4784521
Normal Highscool Day is up next.
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>>4784526
Ah, it must have moved up the poll and I missed it.
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>>4784526
Too lazy to go back to the old thread, does Shimousa have a chance?
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>>4784526
what about Eva update?
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>>4784531
Which one's Shimousa?
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>>4784531
Silly clown man shitting and pissing himself when things don't go his way before he gets CURSEBOTTLED will unfortunately have to wait.
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>>4784537
Something about seven swordsman iirc

>>4784538
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>>4784538
Wait, her bottles are just another form of vore aren't they?

Touche' Voreman.
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>>4784545
No.
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>>4784540
>Something about seven swordsman iirc
It's #14. Maybe if WhatIs starts injecting caffeine?

>>4784545
And he still denies it.
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>>4784309
Looks like happy Sacchin = happy QM.
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Its funny that the only character from FGO that could understand us would be riyo's gudako and maybe riyo's olga.
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>>4784472
>Kama
Rereading makes this one even funnier.
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>>4784470
It's fine, we'll just convince all the haremfrens, all the fluffy tail enthusiasts (myself included) and tell the obsessive fox she's too short for the Makiri ride.

You know, we should tell hi to the people in Taiga Dojo, we haven't seen them in a while
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>>4784569
Shapeshifting says hello.
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>>4784573
inb4 vored by giant Golden White Face
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>>4784569
>too short for the Makiri ride.
You jinxed it, fool.
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>>4784561
Is this just Zolgen recognising a Sakuraface, or would I understand more if I'd played FGO?

>>4784579
She looks ready to eat that guy.
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>>4784579
>Amaterasu is pure sex.
>She's a goddess so also a bitch by default.
Any ways to take her power and give it to Tamamo?
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>>4784579
Amazing chest ahead!

>>4784573
W-Well, I wasn't talking in a literal way, but this works too, I suppose.
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>>4784585
>She's a goddess so also a bitch by default.
Eresh was okay (prob even without Rinface cage>akasha slurry), and Amaterasu didnt do anything objectionable yet? We can hope.
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>>4784585
we can give her a concept but your guess is as good as mine as to what concept to give her that won't make her destroy the world
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>>4784585
I don't think Ammy is... that bad as far as goddesses go?
Then again, I'm not exactly incredibly well versed as far as her myth goes.
Go ahead, touch Tamamo's Conceptual Core, see what happens.
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>>4784585
Don't you think Tamamo is good enough by herself?

>>4784592
Never forget, Alcides was right.
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>>4784595
Amaterasu is actually pretty benign, or even benevolent, in myth.

I am actually pretty sure Amaterasu by herself can be said to be, by conventional morality even, a better person than Tamamo. Both as a Vairocana Buddha (Thanks obscure Shingon Buddhism) and a just a person, who didn't do anything objectionable in myth? While Tamamo killed 80k soldiers who were sent after her when she was discovered and driven out from court, instead of just doing some magic and escaping.

Makes sense as Tama is the aramitama of Amaterasu in Nasu, which is one of the 2 (or 4 depending on sect) souls or faces of a deity in Shinto. Aramitama being the "assertive soul", which is the one that comes out when deities are not respected or prayed to properly, and cease fulfilling their proper function and act disruptively until they are pacified by a priest. Not fulfilling their function as a natural object, that is.

Just some info.
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>>4784595
>Go ahead, touch Tamamo's Conceptual Core, see what happens.
We drown in fluffiness?
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>>4784597
There isn't really a "Tamamo by herself", she is a soul of Amaterasu in and of herself.
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>>4784602
I'd rather put our dick between her tits. If you know what I mean.
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>>4784600
>Amaterasu is gleefully bloodthirsty when interacting with Hakuno. Amaterasu had originally intended to eat Hakuno, but their refusal to be intimidated and sheer audacity impresses her enough to spare them and send them back to the present.

>Amaterasu finds her one-tailed future self so utterly pathetic that she expresses the desire to reach through space-time and smite her after she's through eating Caster's beloved Master. The feeling is mutual, as Caster is disdainful towards her past self and went out of her way to avoid becoming her again even if she were to regain her full power.

>>4784602
>After Hakuno Kishinami touched Tamamo's origin, Amaterasu saw the future and decided to kidnap her future self's Master from the future spacetime to the past in the Age of Gods, during a dream-like state, ignoring any possible time paradoxes.
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>>4784602
ultimate fluffy bad end
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>>4784602
I'll just tell you that Hakuno doing something similar to Tamamo got him/her a visit to Amaterasu that dragged him/her hundred of thousands of years into the past.
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>>4784583
Nothing deep. Just a joke about host body recognising somebody from its life.
>>4784585
We talked about trying to give her Self-Control to overpower Amaterasu influence before.
>>4784588
Our very own sun...
>>4784595
Amaterasu is good deity. I think as far as gods in Nasuverse go she is among more benevolent ones.
But bar is pretty low here as we all know and Alcides told us before.
> Conceptual Core
We`ll rub it. Gently.
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>>4784609
Why is nasu's Amaterasu so dickish?
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>>4784611
So you telling me we adding gods to the Shinji Bowl?
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>>4784609
>>4784611
This is honestly such a fun way to get some extra preparation time.
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>>4784615
?
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>>4784615
Damn straight.
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>>4784615
What is Alaya? She definitely isn't just a System anymore.
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>>4784619
I am not counting her until we interact directly with her.
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>>4784618
Anon, I don't think a meeting with a goddess who hates our fox wife and wants to eat us both counts as extra preparation.
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>>4784615
what do you think Tiamat is?
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>>4784622
Eresh is cute and based its gonna be great when we give her a thousand acres of land full of flowers and sheep
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>>4784627
I am just joking about few thousand years training arc to prepare for a confrontation with Manaka.
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>>4784611
So thousand year cultivator Shinji is still on the cards?
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>>4784609
I mean, we kinda have a track record with potentially being vored by extremely powerful beings. . .
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>>4784622
All hail Eresh, the better sister.
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>>4784638
That's just WhatIs getting off
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>>4784633
Just trying to make sure it really was a joke and we never actually do it.

>>4784642
That and Satsuki.
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>>4784609
>>4784614

I also remembered something about Divinities potentially changing to suit the ideation of humans in a given Era. Where people value glory and stuff they are bloodthirsty, where people value peace and prosperity, they are benevolent and give prosperity.

Something something their prayers are equal in Heat either way something something I forget the entire quote.

I think it was the time travel scene itself, if you want to find an explanation outside of lolExtra
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>>4784648
I just realized this is lolExtra either way because how does this work if Amaterasu is above the time axis? Thanks.
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>>4784642
Maybe you shouldn't immediately start trying to befriend and bed the people who keep telling you they want to eat you.
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>>4784651
Amaterasu being above the time axis is very silly. Because if Gods of great enough power are above the time axis, how exactly does the Age of Gods ever end?
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>>4784652
Technically, we just try to befriend them. THEY want to bed US.
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>>4784652
"eat" is pref to eat as outcome
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>>4784652
It's just a figure of speech though? How could we know that the man eating monsters who have consumed hundreds of lives in the past actually intend to eat Shinji and that it's not just an innuendo?
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>>4784652
we're not fucking cowards QM
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>>4784652
You gave us a perfect regeneration effect. Is this really a surprise?

>>4784641
I remembered something about Ereshkigal and Ishtar both being basically halves or bits of a greater Inanna God in nasu, so we may have to be content with beating up and doing something other than killing the Ishtar in the Reverse(god maid?) if we don't want to accidentally poof her out of existence.
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>>4784660
I didn't give you the regeneration ability so you could turn yourself into an all-you-can-eat limb buffet.
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>>4784660
We'll just tell Morgan to split the souls in the bottle. Ishtar gets a depowered maid puppet, Eresh gets a fully powered puppet. We never intended to kill her anyway.

>>4784662
And what about our addictive taste?
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>>4784662
Sorry Dad, we do with it whatever we want.
Just joking, i don't want to be eaten by anyone without a good reason.
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>>4784662
And God didn't give humans an anus to stick a dick up it, your point is irrelevant.
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>>4784662
Are we paying a visit to Ars Paulina any time soon?
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>>4784665
That was because Truth is superior to everything else.
It was meant as a deterrent for you to hang around the literal man-eaters more than anything else.
It seems to have had the complete opposite effect.
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>>4784665
I thought that was our plan, we were gonna cut away her goddess powers too, Eresh is sweet so she is spared from this, Ishtar might get goddess privileges back if she behaves and Illya says its fine
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>>4784672
Did you really think that would work?
I also don't want to be eaten for real.

>>4784673
Yep, that's exactly the plan. Though I do not support ever giving Ishtar her goddess priviledges back, it'll be up to Illya, not us anyway. I imagine she won't easily get bored of bullying her new maid.
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Eresh at one point in myth stripped Ishtar of all of her authorities. Just go down to Kur and have Ishtar pass through all 7 Innana gates and you safely transfer all of her Authorities to Eresh. This also leaves Ishtar naked, coincidentally.
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>>4784672
it went down hill when we kept feeding Sacchin the blood equivalent of heroin everyday
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>>4784672
That's not scary, that's hot.
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"Good morning everybody!" Taiga strolls into class and surveys the students. There were... quite a few new arrivals in the class as of recent, but nothing too out of the ordinary. Something about the Heroic Throne highschool somewhere up north being over capacity? Taiga had never heard of the place, but it was apparently very prestigious and very selective about entry, so she was eager to prove herself more than capable of teaching even these private school kids. Though... there were something of a handful.

Suzuka... Suzuka was always using her mobile phone in class and being a general distraction. Shuten had been caught sneaking alcohol into the school 16 times already, yet somehow things always seemed to get smoothed over and she wasn't expelled, she was a bad influence on Miho and Ibaraki. Arturia was a model student, at least. As were her two twin sisters, Mordred and Obeithion. The three of them together seemed to bring order to a chaotic class. Nobunaga was a complete Chuunibyou who was under the belief that just because her parents called her Nobunaga, she was the rightful ruler of Japan. A total problem child. Satsuki seemed like a nice girl at least, though she seemed to have a phobia about not being given the window seat.

Most recently though was somehow Sakura managing to move up a year to be with everyone else in the class. Nobody seemed to question why this was done, but Taiga didn't really mind. Sakura must've just gotten really good grades, there was no mental charm in her head. She should stop thinking about the mental charm. STOP THINKING ABOUT IT.

"I hope you all remembered your homework! You've all got to make your presentations with your groups about the English Novel that you choose to read! First up is..." Taiga looks down her list "Nobunaga-chan, Chiyome-chan and Suzuka-chan!" The three girls slowly come up on stage. "Now girls, which book did you decide to review? Nobunaga-chan, you were team leader so it was up to you as to what you chose." It was a fair system, Taiga thought. The team leader was the one with the most on the line, so they got to pick a book of their choice.

"The US Constitution." Nobunaga looks smug. "Of course, Chiyome was too busy doing her own thing, and Suzuka was no help at all, so I did the entire presentation by myself!" Oh good lord this can't be good.

"...What." Taiga wasn't expecting that, at all. Who the hell reviews the US Constitution for a novel presentation!?

"For our presentation, I studied the US Constitution, and I have to say... 10/10, would implement a modified version into Japan when I take it over." Nobunaga confidently declares.

"Ah...hahaha, that... that was a joke, right, Nobunaga, you've... actually prepared a proper presentation, right?" This girl has way too much energy and time to devote to telling a silly joke.
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>>4784677
Ishtarin is completely harmless so she might not want to bully her

>>4784678
based
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>>4784679
>we kept feeding Sacchin the blood equivalent of heroin
Oh god, we really did.
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"Ah, right, yes, give me a moment, I prepared a speech." Nobunaga quickly heads back to her desk and retrieves a sheet of paper that has way too many lines of text on it.

"Nobunaga-chan..." Taiga says with a tired voice. This girl reminds her of a younger version of herself, if she had twice as much energy and a fondness for a hat that no teacher was able to convince her to take off.

"My fellow citizens of Japan, I, Oda Nobunaga, have returned to you to lead our country into a brand new golden age! It will be hard to start, but with your support, we shall turn Japan into the Global Superpower that it was always meant to be! I have planned for a ten step plan to not only unify every region of Japan under us and our cause, but it goes beyond that as well! My plans cover the entirety of East Asia! Support me, my fel-"

"AHEM. OK! I think that's enough from your presentation, Nobunaga-chan. That was... something. However, it was supposed to be about a novel... so I... you know what, it was great. The three of you can return to your seats now." Nobunaga has a overly pleased look on her face as she returns to her seat. "Next up is..." Oh no. "Next up is Shuten's group. What... novel did you three decide to review?"

Shuten, Miho and Ibaraki stroll to the front of the class. "Oh we did a lot of research for our book. Of course." Shuten reveals the book the three of them decided to review. "101 Mixers and other Alcoholic Recipes!" Nope. This isn't happening.

"Next!" The three girls look miffed as they walk back to their seats. "Did... Did anybody review a normal book? Arturia... please tell me you reviewed a normal book." Taiga basically pleads with the three twins.

"Actually, Miss Fujimura, we did. We reviewed..." Arturia's face suddenly scrunches up awkwardly, as if she doesn't want to say the next few words.

"Le Morte d'Arthur." Obeithion finishes Arturia's sentence for her. Oh. Finally, at least somebody decided to do something normal!

"This book sucked. We all hated it... That's all we could come up with." Mordred smiles happily as she declares the entire review of the book to the rest of the class. Taiga didn't know what she was thinking or even what she was hoping for.

Taiga feels her head hit the desk. This was going to be a long hour, she could already feel it.
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>>4784684
Maybe you could go into business as a blood dealer and get all the Dead Apostle Ancestors addicted to your heroin blood?
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>>4784670
Is this a pregnant edit?
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>>4784688
Or vore, take your pick.
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>>4784689
I prefer pregnant.
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>>4784685
>This book sucked. We all hated it... That's all we could come up with
shit taste Mordred

>>4784682
>Sakura must've just gotten really good grades, there was no mental charm in her head. She should stop thinking about the mental charm. STOP THINKING ABOUT IT.
Now i'm wondering who hypnotized Taiga and why
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>>4784687
Isnt one of the DAA a literal cursed forest
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>>4784695
Soon to be a Dryad simping to the BMC.

Ainnash-chan!
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>>4784693
It's hard to give a good opinion on a book when the ending is the two people reviewing it killing each other.
And Obeithion is there too.
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>>4784685
NOBUNAGA FOR PRESIDENT! VOTE NOBUNAGA! VOTE FOR SUPREMACY! VOTE FOR A GREATER JAPAN!

That was great! I want more normal high students for the next carnival.

>>4784687
Let's just kill them. They don't deserve a taste of this.

>>4784693
We did. To have Sakura in our classroom, obviously.
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>>4784695
we're gonna burn it down soon with Ciel and Shiki
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>>4784695
One of them is a ghost.
Wallachia is a living phenomenom
Pretty sure Gransurg is birds.
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Yknow what fuck it i could use a warmup sketch

Reply to this post with one (1) vorefag scenario idea
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>>4784698
Taiga didn't mention us being in the class

>>4784697
maybe Mordred shouldn't have killed Artoria
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>>4784705
She didn't.
Morgan put an enchantment on her so her corpse stabbed Arturia after she was killed.
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>>4784653
Do you mean how did they let themselves die off or how did they not go back in time and fix it?
First is probably Velber coming from Outside so it just enters the timeline and isn't part of it, and thus what kills them is basically fucking over their time shit.
Second is that Divine Spirits which are left after are not Gods, but basically their ghosts who are vastly weaker and subject to planetary control. They were told to go and couldn't resist. But probably actual Gods may be alive in the Age of Gods but not in the Age of Man, concurrently. As the way time works already includes shit like Universe of Record and the Reverse, where time doesn't flow towards a fixed point which Merlin used to time travel on foot to Babylonia Singulo.

The actual weirder part is how the fuck Goetia got defeated at all, as I don't think God blocked his clairvoyance. Introducing time shit was probably a mistake, but it was probably going to exist because faerie circles and fairies.
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>>4784703
are you gonna draw vore right now anon? Is that what you're telling us?
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>>4784702
He just really likes birds, ok.

>>4784703
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>>4784705
She only mentioned the new students, which obviously doesn't include us.

>>4784706
It's all Merlin's fault.
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>>4784702
Gransurg is some dude magus who followed Crimson Moon in life and was turned in return for his services as one of the first DA thats not a TA blood bag iirc. Has some kind of magecraft based on the concept of birds as carriers of souls ala sky burials that basically completely fucks other DAs and undead.
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>>4784706
wait what the fuck really? I must've missed that part

>>4784702
is Birdman the one that's really good at killing other Dead Apostles?
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>>4784712
We havent attended school since we put a puppet in charge of doing that.
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>>4784713
isn't Gransurg one of Arc's followers? Merem Solomon is another
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>>4784707
It's not even going back in time to fix it.
It's the fact that they exist ABOVE the time axis.
So even if they all got killed at some point, they should be able to just... jump past that.
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>>4784714
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Gransurg_Blackmore

An heroed when masutah sama disappeared.
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>>4784715
Puppet's still attending for us, we could go back there at any time and no one would ever tell the difference.
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>>4784709
Indeed, it wont be the first fate thing ive done

>>4784711
Tyler Durden and LIZ LOVE arent in this quest, sorry Lovecraftcatman
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>>4784716
Yeah. The weirder part is whats up with Gray's village now? Their anti ghost stuff was based on Gransurg and named themselves after him, but in that timeline he's dead.
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>>4784703
Drawfag, no!
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>>4784718
I assume we're going for the Tsuki timeline for DAs, or nothing makes sense.
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>>4784719
except for our lack of math skills
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>>4784728
We can metagame the math exam, don't worry.
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>>4784718
>He cooperates with the Mage's Association as Merem Solomon does with the Church, and he is currently imprisoned by the Church.
Based, we're gonna meet him
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>>4784728
You run a multi-billion dollar megacorp.
Your math skills are OK.
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>>4784729
sure, but when we enter chemistry we are gonna fuck up hard
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>>4784722
I guess if you want a recent option, the scene after Sakura from the carnival summoning finds the room they hid all the other Sakurafaces in?
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>>4784703
Can I order a Sakura-Tiamat eating Ishtarin?
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>>4784717
They don't know how to do timeshit or something is weird because Third Magic stuff says a Materialized Soul is also a higher-dimensional being so Arc and materialized fairies like Lugh should also be "higher-dimensional", which are true Heroic Spirit type higher-dimensional like Gods, I think?

Tiamat's Sea of Mud is explicitly named as 4 dimensional pocket because Imaginary Numbers and Avalon blocks assaults up to the sixth dimension, for specifics. So it's ????
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>>4784737
>>4784717
I just realized this also applies backwards. Age of Will humans have all the Magic shit, right? So why can't they time travel back or they don't want to?
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>>4784734
we can pretty easily pick it up Shinji is supposed to be a polymath that can get good at anything
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>>4784737
Oh, OK, so it's bad writing.
>"Help! I've fallen, and I can't get up!"
- Tiamat.
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>>4784740
quantum plot lock
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>>4784735
>>4784736
I'll mix these two

Please wait warmly, drawfags are now preparing
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>>4784740
That's how you get taken away by the Time Jannies.
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>>4784743
>The black mud is also included in Tiamat’s height. However, the mud is made of imaginary numbers, so her weight is unquantifiable.
Meanwhile, Tiamat’s volume is infinite. In other words, she is a four-dimensional pocket.

Yes.
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>>4784747
Yo just drop her down a 2km deep hole, that ought to work.
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>>4784735
>>4784736
>>4784745
I love you, bros. no homo
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>>4784746
Well then, it's a good thing we're on our way to own all of them.
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>>4784751
The time jannies are a fascinating allegory for the players that didn't want FF7 to be ruined by square's current faggotry, which is why they are shit on as the penultimate boss and then you fight Sephiroth at the end of Midgar.
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>>4784748
Time bullshit also happens in CCC (I think?) where BB repurposes the Moon Cell firewall to be infinite in scope so she has actual infinite amount of time to hack it and can also observe time from an overhead point of view like an actual higher-dimensional, but due to how time works she can't create new possibilities (branches) only select an arbitrary extant branch to pursue. Why this ends in her defeat is ??? I guess there was not one branch where she won originally so she played herself by not coming down into an observer position?

Supposedly this is part of the "only those who partake in an era can decide its fate" thing is why Gil without Incarnation was a dick but not trying to end the world, and Incarnated Gil in fsn was trying to fix what he saw as deficiencies.

As to how much sense this makes, I think I stopped trying to calculate that.
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Well, time for Wuxia next.
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>>4784754
Final Fantasy is temporary, Nomura is eternal.
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Also if were doing concept brainstorming later, ill toss this into the ring again

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arete

Thank You Based Medea
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>>4784767
Arete fits Alcides best. I still say Mystery for Medea.
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>>4784767
I would like to float Theurgy for HSDW and Divinity stuff, Goetia for non-God based magic if her stuff needs a Foundation after Incarnation, or mágos as a word itself, as choices.
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>>4784775
Ask her
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>>4784777
Obviously yes, but we could offer her some ideas.
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>>4784777
Genius
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>>4784770
Thank You Based Alcides also had a nice ring to it, tru
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>>4784777
>>4784778
We have to ask her, but at the same inform her that Greek concepts would work best on her, so she doesn't shyly pick something as basic as "Wisdom".
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>when the prompt says wuxia protagonist, but it's actually a xianxia protagonist.
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>>4784794
It’s all the same
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>>4784793
>Greek concepts would work best on her
Do they? Compatible concepts work best, but compatible doesn't necessarily mean something unique from the same culture. Liberation for Enkidu and Self-Determination for Suzuka were the best possible, for example. We only used a weird concept for Vritra and mostly due to her unique circumstances, why push it on everyone else?
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>>4784794
I'M GONNA CULTIVATE UHHHHHHHHHHGHHHH MASS HUMAN SACRIFICES FOR 0.0005% POWER INCREASE
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>>4784799
>Self-Determination for Suzuka were the best possible
I dunno man, turns out JK would've been OP.
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>>4784800
THE UNPARALLELED SECRET EMPERORS ILLEGITIMATE SON IS GONNA CULTIVATE FOR 100,000 THOUSAND YEARS AFTER OBTAINING THE POWER OF GOD AND HAVING A BABY DRAGON DAUGHTER!?!!!!?!

I actually had a stroke while typing this. Please send help
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>>4784805
Winnie the poo, hire this man.
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>>4784805
Xianxia is just OG chinese myths modernized.
It has shit like

"After 1,750 eons, each eon lasting for 129,600 years (3602 years), he attained Golden Immortality. After another one hundred million years of cultivation, he finally became the Jade Emperor (using the given figures, this period before his becoming the Jade Emperor lasted for a total of about 326,800,000 years.) "
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>>4784805
I had a stroke writing what you're about to read.
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>>4784810
The 3602 should be 360 squared but uh
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>>4784799
>Liberation for Enkidu
It wasn't btw. WhatIs confirmed that out of the ones proposed, my Sovereignity was the single most broken concept that could've been applied to them without changing their personality.
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So, what carnival story has been your favourite thus far?
The next one is just completely absurd.
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>>4784824
I wish you titled them at the start. I enjoyed sakura Tiamat, and shirou dying. I'll reread them all when you're done
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>>4784822
Not really, it was more a matter of what we would value more, Enkidu could break through any bindings as well as the bindings of others with Sovereignty, Liberation makes him unkillable, he can run away from death
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>>4784828
Titling them would've made sense, actually, but I didn't think of that at the time.
And now it would feel weird to change.
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>>4784822
>most broken
Perhaps. But would it have made him happier than completely freeing him from the Gods' power to be with his pal forever?

>>4784824
Beast Sakura, with Clocktower infiltration a very close second.
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>>4784830
I just don't remember what won so at first I was like what the fuck is going on lol
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>>4784829
First Hassan is going to be pissed off to no end by Enkidu existing.
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>>4784824
Shirou using Slash Emperor was kino, shouldn’t have had DEAD END though and just had END like Sparks Liner High, Clock Tower was a nice prelude to Clock Tower infiltration arc, I also enjoy seeing how other people are terrified of Sakura, nice contrast to see since she's a sweetheart around us
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>>4784824
The Medusa one. Just reminds me of how we need to spend more time with her during our down-time.
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>>4784837
Yeah, it would've probably made more sense as an END but it's still a bad end because Manaka is unopposed.
Then again, a Bad End isn't a Dead End.
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>>4784824
The Medusa and Clock Tower ones were the best I feel.
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I awaken from my meditation. Hmmph, I had better take my Six-Fold Truth Reinforcement Pills and my Elixir of Jade-like Skill in order to continue refining my chi levels. I had long since disregarded my worthless magic circuits, and had them all transformed into chi pathways in order to reinforce my natural cultivation meditation exercise. I have long since surpassed the need to eat and sleep. My body can withstand the crushing power of even a dozenfold mountains stacked upon one another, with a brief movement, I can overturn rivers and seas, and my fists exceed the speed of light to a degree where I am able to strike my enemies fifteen seconds before I punch them. My Martial Skill is unmatched. I have spent Two thousand eons honing my skills through looping my mind backwards.

I take a handful of the distilled Truth Strength Tablets and shove them into my mouth, granting me strength equal to an entire pantheon of gods, and I leave my small home. I had long since left behind the pursuit of money or happiness for myself. After hitting that parasite Zolgen with my Eighth Heaven Fist of True Death, I left Sakura to her own devices. She cannot follow me on my path of cultivation. Nobody can. The Grail War shall take place in four days, however, I feel I am prepared for such things now. My lifetime of pure training has prepared me more than anything else in the world could have. I activate my temporal relocation breathing, and reassert my existence into the timeline four days from now. I have already challenged each and every Martial Artist in the world, copying their skills. My ultimate technique, the Root Crushing Truth Fist, would see my victory in this war for certain. I did not need a Servant. I did not need to hold myself back. By disconnecting myself from the timeline for four days, I have successfully managed to distill 20 more spirit refining reinforcement tablets, which would have only had a quarter of an effect without the Six-Fold Truth Reinforcement Pills.

Finally. I am prepared for this war. I start by punching a rift into space, creating an opening to deposit me in the center of the town. All Servants should be summoned by now. I activate my Discerning Meditative Trance, granting myself a complete image of the entire planet and everything within it. Every molecule and every atom, I see them all. The Servants cannot escape from me, I shall end this war before it begins.

I teleport in front of the Lancer wearing blue, he does not even get a chance to react to my presence before he is hit with the Throne Returning Fist, immediately sending him back to the Throne of Heroes and bypassing the Grail entirely. I lightly tap his master, a woman whos name I have long since forgotten, and send her to sleep. She will wake up later with no knowledge of what happened. You move to your next target. Illyasviel von Einzbern's Berserker. A man who needs to be killed twelve times to die, each with a different method.
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Punching him twelve million times in an instant however seems to have worked wonders, as he is destroyed entirely by the last blow, the already mythical Throne Returning Fist. Berserker is gone. I headpat Illyasviel before I use my excessive speed to locate my next target. I find him. EMIYA. The battle is over before it begins. With the forbidden scripture of Janitor Returning, he is forced to clean it up somewhere else, and is forcibly recalled by Alaya. My next goal for tonight is to meet my friend, Shirou Emiya, he too has started on the path of cultivation, yet his powers are only perhaps ten percent of my own. I taught him the Servant Incarnation Fist, so that he may be with his love. He notices me staring at him from a building fifteen kilometers away, and gives me a thumbs up. I return it.

Next up are Medea and Medusa. I activate the Time Paradox Restoration fist, returning myself to a point in the past in which I can meet Medea. I give her the aid she requires and contract her as a Servant, before using the Servant Incarnation Fist on her. She is too weak and too slow to keep up with you. Medusa is also hit by the Servant Incarnation Fist. You'd use your jade-like charisma to seduce the two jade-like beauties, however, your time is limited, so for now, you must defeat your final opponent.

The King of Heroes is not prepared for the sudden assault you bring upon him. I fly across the rooftops towards him, and immediately defeat him in a mental game of chess, proving your superiority to him before I hit each pressure point in his body sixty three trillion times each, causing him to fade from reality.

I look up to the stars, and smile. It is time. I leap high, breaking away from the rules of the planet and texture. I find my target, the Machine God Chaos. Approximately four billion light years away from me. I appear before the Dyson-Sphere, before hitting it with my Three-Thousand-Million-Billion-Quadrillion-Googolplex-Fold-God-Slaying-God-Cutting-Void-Breaking-Universe-Sundering-Story-Breaking-Plot-Rewriting-Retcon-Fist.

Mortal minds cannot begin to comprehend even a single aspect of the effect of this punch, so let me just tell you what happened.

That punch did certainly destroy the Interstellar Navigation-Purpose Ultra-Massive Mothership Celestial Sphere Type Space-Time Fortress Chaos utterly, without a single sound.

In other words.

A God, Punched, Absolutely fucking wrecked.
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I feel like I have commited a sing by writing that.
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>>4784847
Based, do more. That gave me a Chubby.
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>>4784847
Absolutely based.
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>>4784848
> a sing
I have committed a sing
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>>4784847
>Constantly switching between first and second person
I can see you had a stroke writing this. I almost had one reading it.
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>>4784848
Yes. Sing us more songs of chinese weebs.
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>>4784848
I'm beginning to actually worry about you.
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>>4784855
I wanted to get the true poorly translated xianxia novel experience.
It's just a shame I couldn't turn everyone's name into some variation of Xi.
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>>4784855
It's just WhatIs' enlightenment leaking through.
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>>4784859
It's fine, the cultivation was just so powerful that I was phyisically attacked by it.
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I'm never reading xianxia
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Wait, I've got an idea for a bonus update.
This update, but fed through google translate.
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You still doing the super date?
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>>4784862
>phyisically
I'm not sure it's fine, no.

>>4784868
I'm really not.

Can you at least write one more before passing out from the shock of the crime you just committed?
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>>4784847
>With the forbidden scripture of Janitor Returning, he is forced to clean it up somewhere else, and is forcibly recalled by Alaya.
You're going to kill me QM.
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>>4784869
Yeah.
I hope you're ready for the TRULY AUTHENTIC experience for Xianxia.
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I woke up from meditation. Humph, I'd better take my six-fold truth-enhancing medicine and my emerald-like elixir to continue to improve my qigong level. For a long time, I have been ignoring my worthless magic circuits and turning them all into air channels to strengthen my natural practice meditation practice. I have already surpassed the needs of diet and sleep. Even after a short period of movement, my body can withstand the pressing force of even a dozen mountains stacked on top of each other. I can subvert rivers and oceans, and my fist surpasses the speed of light, reaching the point where I can hit the enemy in fifteen seconds. Before I hit them. My martial arts skills are unparalleled. I have spent two thousand centuries honing my skills by circulating my thoughts backwards.

I took a few bottles of distilled truth-strength pills and pushed them into my mouth, giving me power equivalent to the entire pantheon of gods, so I left my little house. For a long time, I have been pursuing money or happiness for myself. After hitting the parasite Zorgen with my eighth real death punch, I gave Sakura to her own device. She could not follow me on my path of spiritual practice. No one can. The Holy Grail War will happen within four days, but I am now ready for this kind of thing. The pure training of my life has provided me with more preparation than anywhere else in the world. I activated my temporal repositioning breath and reconfirmed my existence in the schedule four days from now. I have challenged every martial artist in the world and copied their skills. My ultimate skill is "Smashed Roots True Fist", which can definitely prove my victory in this war. I don't need a servant. I don't need to hold back myself. By disconnecting myself from the schedule for four days, I successfully distilled more than 20 refined enhancement pills. Without the six-fold truth enhancement pills, the effect was only a quarter.

At last. I am ready for this war. I first rushed into space from a rift, created an opening, and stored me in the center of the town. All servants should be called now. I activated my keen meditation Tra, so that I had a complete impression of the entire planet and everything in it. I have seen every molecule and every atom. The servant can't get rid of me, and I will end this war before it starts.

I was wearing blue and teleporting in front of the Lancer Lancer. Before he was hit by the throne, he didn't even have a chance to react to my presence and immediately sent him back to the throne of heroes, completely bypassing the Holy Grail. I gently stroked his master, a name that I had long forgotten, and then let her fall asleep. She will wake up later without knowing what happened. You move to the next goal. "Berger" by Illyasviel von Einzbern. A person who needs to be killed twelve times to die, each uses a different method.
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>>4784847
My Sides, Detached, Utterly Gone From This Plane of Existence
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I feel like I need a calculator reading this
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>>4784860
You missed repeatedly reiterating something obvious, jobbing to random higher realm old man from nowhere and the classics of "It took a long time to say, but it happened in the time it took a spark to fly/an incense stick of time/the time it takes to make a cup of tea", "Cannot see Mt.Tai" and "They were merely frogs in a well/Always a Heaven above the Heavens" for the authentic experience
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However, punching him 12 million times in an instant seemed to have produced a miracle, because his last blow-the fabulous Fist of the Return of the Throne, completely destroyed him. The Berserker was gone. Before I looked for the next target too quickly, I played Illyasviel first. I found him EMIYA. The battle ended before it started. The janitor was forbidden to return the Bible, he was forced to clear it elsewhere and was forcibly recalled by Alaya. My next goal tonight is to meet my friend Shirou Emiya, who has also started to practice, but his ability may be only 10% of mine. I taught his servant the incarnation of punches so that he can be with his love. He noticed that I was staring at him from a building 15 kilometers away and gave him a thumbs up. I refunded it.

Next is Medea and Medusa. I activated the "Time Paradox" reduction punch and returned to the point where I could meet Medea in the past. Before using the servant incarnation punch for her, I will give her the help she needs and make her a servant. She is too weak and too slow to keep up with you. Medusa was also punched by the servant incarnation. You will use your emerald-like charm to seduce these two emerald-like beauties, but your time is limited, so now, you must defeat the ultimate opponent.

The King of Heroes did not prepare for you to attack him suddenly. I flew towards him over the roof and immediately defeated him in a chess game, proving my superiority to him, and then hit every pressure point in his body sixty-three trillion times, making him from reality Fading in the middle.

I look up at the stars and smile. it's time. I was eager to try and got rid of the rules of planets and textures. I found the target, the robot god is chaotic. It's about 4 billion light years away from me. I appeared in front of the Dyson sphere, and then rewritten with my three quadrillion Gourde-Gugepole-Fold-God-Behead-God-Cut-Void-Broken-Universe-Breakthrough-Story-Broken-Plot -Retcon-Fist.

Moral thinking cannot even begin to understand one aspect of this shock, so let me tell you what happened.

That punch indeed completely destroyed the Interstellar navigation-objective super-large mothership celestial fortress chaos without any sound.

in other words.

God, a punch, absolutely fucking ruined.
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>>4784876
>Berger
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I feel like running it through a translator has only enhanced the experience.
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>>4784883
>God, a punch, absolutely fucking ruined.
Powerful
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>>4784885
>enhanced
Not exactly the word I would use, but it has certainly done something.
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>>4784888
It's the genuine Machine Translated Novel Experience now.
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>>4784883
>I was eager to try and got rid of the rules of planets and textures.
hmmm
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>>4784892
If only you could be as based as Xianxia Shinji
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>>4784894
I'm sorry but my Dao is divergent, Fellow Daoist.
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>>4784883
>The janitor was forbidden to return the Bible.
Ciel really is making the moves on him. Wont let him stop reading the bible.
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>>4784876
>I gently stroked his master
Nevermind this is my favorite
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>>4784897
I must slay your entire clan for this insult.
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>>4784876
A personal favourite of mine here is
>I took a few bottles of distilled truth-strength pills and pushed them into my mouth
Just eat the entire bottle.
Cultivator tactics.
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>>4784876
>reaching the point where I can hit the enemy in fifteen seconds. Before I hit them.
This one was really funny to me for some reason.
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>>4784682
>>4784685
I imagined vid related playing as the fucking background music whilst reading it. C’mon don’t lie its fitting music
https://youtu.be/Cm3ywh1lnz8
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>>4784847
ugh, based
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>>4784911
Everyone knows that shinji has learned the bottle eating mantra by now and added to his inner 5 level Chakra cultivation rhythm by now qm
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So... Badump is the last one... probably.
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>>4784929
I'm excited for how we fuck up this time
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>>4784929
You fucker im still waiting on the Eva crossover
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>>4784929
Hoo boy. So how sore do you think Shinji’s pelvis will be? My bet will be 50 times more sore than the last time
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Wait, do you want this to be Waterpark Redux or The original date plan?
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>>4784929
>probably
I believe in you, you can do one more!
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>>4784931
And I’m still waiting on Shinji getting transported into an otome game, though that is presuming this is truly the last one for today
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>>4784935
Origanal date plan
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>>4784883
>I refunded it.
harsh.
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>>4784935
I thought we'd be doing the original plan, as per Carnival Phantasm conventions, but whatever you think will be funnier.
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>>4784935
Original date plan
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>>4784935
original date plan
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>>4784935
OG
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>>4784935
I want waterpark but everyone else is voting for the OG plan
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>>4784842
Send help, my stroke is a full body-soul separation
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>>4784951
That's just the Third True Magic.
Just relax.
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>>4784950
don't really know what the difference would be with the waterpark except a few extra girls to play capture the flag using us
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>>4784754
Final Fantasy has the Sequel Police now?
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>>4784957
So I take it you know nothing about how the FF7 Remake turned out?
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>>4784957
No, you kill them.
FF7 ends with the early game party killing destiny and then fighting Sephiroth.
Also Zack Fair gets resurrected because he's a fan favourite character.
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>>4784957
do you not know about the time ghosts?
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So far, today I have written 11,196 words.
Which is enough to classify as a Novellas worth.
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>>4784953
NO
I don’t wanna join shiny pants and his magic children’s card game gay baby jail
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>>4784961
>>4784965
Nope, couldn't seem to get around it. Didn't they stretch it out so that each disc is a separate title?
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>>4784985
>Each disc
Nope.
Worse than that.
You don't even get out of Midgar before the game ends.
The INTRO is a game all by itself.
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>>4784962
Interesting. Deviations are bigger than I thought.
Anyway, thanks, sorry for off topic.

Awesome job, OP
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>>4784982
how the fuck did you even write this much
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>>4784991
>Deviations are bigger than I thought.
The entire game was all just justification for the next game to go completely balls to the wall.

>>4784992
Carnival
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>>4784982
Damn, hadn't realized kissing Satsuki would invigorate you so.

>>4784985
The released game ends as you leave Midgard. And they Remade the story, various things change, and there are a bunch of time ghost jannies who intervene to try and force the story back on track until you kill them and resurrect Jack at the end.
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>>4784995
>Jack
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>>4784997
Still reeling from Xianxia Shinji
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>>4784982
So I should shill Satsuki more then?
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>>4784997
Let us know if you're ever getting story burn out in case you want to bring a carnival forward. Or just take a day to yourself
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>>4784997
Is the Carnival over senpai?
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>>4785083
No.
One more.
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>>4785083
It's so over the thread has died

>>4785086
Nani?
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>>4784745
yoink
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>>4785092
HOLY SHIT BASED DRAW ANON
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>>4785092
And some wonder why God doesn't talk to people anymore.
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>>4785092
i see
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>>4785095
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>>4785101
it'll be back to normal once the carnival thread is over dw
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>>4785105
Worst Lancer
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>>4785110
Don't you have some jobbing to be doing, Cu?
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>>4785113
>wanks about Honor
>Uses two cursed, concealed spears in combat
>cucks Master in both lives

It was under Kirei's command spell! doesn't count
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I wanna see what Billy's up to.
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>>4785113
https://youtu.be/zpz5WgRlGLM
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>>4785118
I want to go the place listed on your ID.
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>>4785121
Cu loses to Diarmuid outside of Ireland by WoG.
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>>4785126
That's retarded.
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>>4785118
I want more Ayaka screen time! She's a protagonist as much as Shirou and Shiki is, poor girl...
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>>4785126
But is he kino?
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>>4785130
You see, Cu only brought one stabby boy to the fight, where Diarmuid brought two.
Gilgamesh brought all of them, so he's the strongest.
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>>4785126
fucking why
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>>4785126
Also

>WoG

mechachads
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>>4785136
The moment Cu uses Gae Bolg is the moment Diarmuid dies.
The both have E Rank Luck, so no bullshit diceroll is gonna save Mr Deermud.
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>>4785140
YAMEROOOOOOOO

No but it's mostly because Deermud is a fucking busted Servant when it comes to melee.
A+ Agility and B rank EotM (True)
The Cuckolder is decently strong in a straight up fight.
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>>4785117
Not his fault he doesn't have a big fuck off NP like a ton of characters. He has to fight like guerilla warfare in order to stand a chance.
Seriously, if we lost our chance to save him for good when we killed him again I'll be mad.
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apparently in universe they tried making a HGW in Greece but Magus kept killing each other over who gets Heracles, so they had to ban him as a summon, but then they killed each other over who got to summon Achilles
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>>4785146
Why not just fucking ban greekoid Servants like the Fuyuki Grail is supposed to ban Japanese Servants?
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>>4785145
We will save him and he will be our first and only male servant.
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>>4785142
Cu needs to actually get the chance to use Gae Bolg first.
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>>4785142
If he stabbed him in the arm with yellow spear like he did Saber he could win I suppose. Cú wouldn't NP at the start usually.
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>>4785122
sorry, I'm not renting.
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>>4785145
he's fine, we killed Lancelot already and he came back

>>4785147
honestly America makes sense as a setting for a HGW, very few if any certain would get a boost there since its a new country with few historical and mythological figures to take from
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>>4785153
George Washington (Berserker) or Thomas Jefferson (Caster) would be extremely overpowered I would imagine.
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>>4785159
Whoops I mean Ben Franklin (Caster) Had a bit of a mix up.
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>>4785143
He's gimped as a lancer too. F/Z rerun event through WoG states he can switch class at will given enough mana. I wonder if Manaka knows this?

He's forever gimped in a class container though. Needs to have access to Móralltach and Gáe Dearg simultaneously to not be in jobber mode.

>>4785145
He does as a Saber.
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>>4785151
I could say the same thing to Deermud since Gae Bolg has the same ability as Gae Buidhe.
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>>4785163
Yeah Diarmuid as a Double Summoned Saber/Lancer would be busted since Morantach is basically Gae Bolg in sword form.

Actually that begs the question, can you fuse servants if you have enough mana/command seals?

Like say for example in FGO you summoned Fionn Mac Cumhaill as a Lancer. Then you summoned him again as a Caster.
Can you, theoretically, use all three command seals to fuse them together to get a more complete version of a servant?
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>>4785169
I get around this in headcanon via either True Incarnation or an Alterego of the self
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>>4785169
>>4785163
Well, what concept will allow him to multiclass?
People already said they'd give him luck, for obvious reasons, but if he could use any of the 4 weapons at will would be ideal.
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>>4785178
Morphing Time.
Still reeling here.
Update shortly.
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>>4785178
Completeness.
That should be a concept that would allow him to become the Complete Diarmuid Ua Duibhne with access to all his Skills and Noble Phantasms.
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>>4785169
Saber Diarmuid also has his Love Spot sealed, not that we need a concept to give him a bit of plastic surgery with Chiyome around.

His Mana Burst Yeet is practically teleportation/flight too.

Omnibus? Adept? Protean?
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>>4785131
we'll both have to wait until next carnival it seems.

RIP Billy, your chance will come one day
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You feel like you've been standing in this exact same spot for just over a month, and you look Gilgamesh in the eyes before you give him your answer "No thanks, Gilgamesh, I... 'll handle this myself. I appreciate your offer, but... this is something I need to handle by myself."

"Very well." Gilgamesh goes to leave the room, before he turns back to face you slightly. "Outsider... That's hell you're walking into." With those parting words, he leaves you. You look over the plan, looking for any errors in it. No... This... This should work fine.

As you agonize over the plan, deciding on any last minute changes, Shirou comes in with a happy smile on his face. "Hey Shinji! Look! I found some more love letters addressed to you!"

"...Shit."

There's no use in just continuing to agonize over this extended method of suicide by overwork. You'll... You'll just have to get it done and hope for the best.

The day arrives, and you prepare yourself mentally. No matter what happens here, you're prepared. First off, Shuten. She's not exactly a morning person, but she perked right up at the idea of morning drinking. Little Drunkard indeed. "Come, on, Shuten. Let's go inside, you can have a few rounds, and then..."

"That's right, we'll share a few rounds! Right?" Oh. This... This isn't good. You gave yourself a small amount of leeway here, but...

"Sure! Right! We'll share a few rounds!" You don't want to make her suspicious, though you don't think downing 4 cups of sake was a good idea for your ability to function in the long run. You eventually sneak away using the excuse of needing to go to the bathroom, thank god you already paid for her potential tab before you came here with her. You sneak out of the bathroom window like a silent assassin, and you don't just break the window and then fix it with magecraft. That's definitely not what you did.

You're already 6 minutes behind schedule, but you can make it to the Zoo from here. Mordred won't have to be kept waiting. Everyone else should already be inside, you already got them their own tickets.

You bump into Mordred right outside the Zoo! Yes! Back on schedule! "Hey Mordred! Let's check out the petting zoo! There's bound to be a lot of cool animals in there!" You don't even give the king any time to respond before you take her by the hand and start to race through the zoo, all the way to the petting area. You're not out of breath yet, you've done way too much physical exercise for something like this to slow you down.

You feel horribly guilty as you watch Mordred slowly hesitantly reach down and pick up a bunny rabbit, before slipping out the door. You really wish you didn't have to do that.
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Immediately after disappearing from the Petting area, you meet Rider just outside the reptile house. You like Snakes, so it's kind of a disappointment that you won't be able to stick around for any real time to look at them with Rider, or indeed, to look at one of your favorite snakes of all, Rider. She seems too busy watching the animals to notice as you slip away and out of a side exit. As you leave the side exit, you manage to bump into Sakura. Ha! Perfect timing! Let it never be said that you aren't a genius of planning!

"Onii-chan? I was just looking for you." Sakura sounds a little bit concerned, however, your confident smile seems to dissuade her nerves a bit.

"It's fine, Sakura! Let's go to the gift shop, shall we? We might be able to find a few neat souvenirs of this place." Sakura nods and follows you to the gift shop, which is thankfully very close by. "Ah! wait here, Sakura, I just realized I need to get some money out at an ATM!" You're about to flee Sakura, until you feel her hand grab onto yours.

"That's OK, Onii-chan! I brought some of the allowance you give me along with me!" Sakura doesn't let go of your hand all throughout your visit to the gift shop, and the two of you look through all sorts of souvenirs, plush animals, snow globes, a toy tranquilizer gun... You wonder how much tranquilizer you would need to drink to put yourself in hospital for a day. Eventually, after buying her a ginormous plush penguin, Sakura lets your hand go.

"Ah! I think I must've dropped my wallet somewhere outside! Sorry I gotta go look for it immediately!" You sprint away from Sakura as quickly as you can. Of every woman on this date, it turns out that she was the most dangerous of all! You sprint all the way to the coffee shop and by the time you meet Medea, you might've started panting if it wasn't for Sakura forcing you to ruin the entire schedule by holding your hand.

"Master, are you OK? I've been waiting for you to show up for nearly half an hour! I'm already on my third cup here!

"Sorry, Medea... I just got... caught up in some things."

"You know I can scry on you whenever I feel like it, right, Master?" An awkward moment passes between the two of you as Medea looks you in the eyes and you stare back at her.
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You remain staring at her as you slowly get off the chair you're sitting on. "Aha! Well, you see... the thing is...!" You pretend like you're going to explain your actions to Medea, before you just sprint off as quickly as you can. You still need to meet Touko at the other coffee shop! It doesn't take long to reach the other coffee shop, and there chatting pleasantly with each other about something impossible to discern from this distance is Touko and... Medea. Damn it! She did that on purpose! Well, Touko's a bust, you'll just have to meet Arcueid, she should be at the primate enclosure. You begin to race towards Arcueid's most likely position, though just as you're about to finally reach the monkey enclosure, you feel a single hand lift you up into the air.

"My Sweet Rider! There you are! I've been looking for you all over the place! You promised you'd meet me outside the penguin enclosure!" Vritra looks annoyed, her open frown showing off her shark like teeth. "You were just playing weren't you? Seeing how long it would take me to track you down on scent alone!" Oh god. This is bad. If you don't manage to get out of Vritra's grasp and get back to the schedule then... "And all those other girls too! This was supposed to be our special day together, wasn't it, my Sweet Rider?" Shit.

"Well, you see I... I wanted to... Uh..." You fail to come up with a suitable excuse, and even though she puts you down on the floor, Vritra forces you to hold her hand as she basically drags you around the park. There's no escaping from her unless you cut your arm off, and considering that this is a man-eating dragon in the form of a human woman, that's... almost certainly not going to go well for you. And so, the plan absolutely entirely falls apart because of the whims of the dragon that personifies... obstacles. Oh. Well damn. Somehow you feel like you should've seen something like this coming, but at the same time, you didn't have any possible way to see something like this coming. The hours tick away. With each few minutes that go by, another obligation is fumbled. Another girl notices your absence. No! Damn it! Damn it! Damn it!

Eventually, Vritra feels it fine to let you walk around without any more hand-holding, but by that time, it's much too late. You'll just have to go home a failure, and face the music. You're dreading the return home, and Vritra is forced to sling you over her shoulder to get around your utter refusal to walk back home of your own accord. You won't walk in there of your own accord, only death awaits you there. Vritra walks into your home with you still slung over her shoulder, and you look up to see the disappointed faces of many women. Disappointed, but... not angry? What's going on here?

Surprisingly, it's Sakura who explains things. "Well, I was the one who proposed this, so I suppose I can't be too mad that I didn't end up winning it, even if I was certain that I would..." Sakura still sounds more disappointed than angry.
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"Wait... proposed what, Sakura?" You don't quite follow.

"It was a competition we were planning on Valentines day. We all know what sort of a person you are, so we decided to come up with a way to... make things a little more rewarding for us. So the person who spent the majority of Valentine's day with you... would... uhm... get to spend Valentine's night with you..." There's a blush behind Sakura's disappointment.

Everyone... Everyone agreed to this?! What the hell!? "Well... Sakura, seeing as you were in second place... I wouldn't mind sharing Shinji with you..." Vritra gives the girl a suggestive smirk. Wait! Wait what the hell?! No, seriously! You didn't sign up for this! Wait! Stop! Wait! Why are you being carried upstairs?! Did Sakura just nod?! Did she really just agree to Vritra's offer?! Well... all things considered... this probably could've gone much worse. In some ways, this is more like a reward than anything else!
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>>4785200
LOL based, thanks
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Turns out the conceptual obstacle really messes stuff like this up.
Whoever could've seen that one coming?
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We did worse than Shirou and Shiki did but still did better than them
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>>4785200
>Vritra, a dragon, is sharing with Sakura, host of a Mother Dragon.

gotta look out for each other.
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Well, that brings us to the end of the Carnival unless you just want me to continue the Carnival into tomorrow.
Also post ideas if you do.
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>>4785220
arguing with all the conquerors and kings about who gets what country
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>>4785219
it actually makes a lot of sense that Vritra is on team Sakura now
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>>4785220
>unless you just want me to continue the Carnival into tomorrow.
Godzilla vs Orochi
Izmaylov Interlude
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>>4785220
Please do continue.

Once again my idea is:
Shinji gets transported into an otome game.

Also >>4784931
This anons idea of the Evangelion crossover.
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>>4785227
Ha, you remembered that off-hand comment, did you?
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>>4785220
Billy's fun time at a carnival, shooting down targets for prizes.
Medea meets the other argonauts after Jason's ship is complete for real.
Sakuramat meets medusa and such.
Savior-Shinji in the lostbelts/finally summoned after sakuramat!
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>>4785233
Damn straight. I wonder what the russian bastard is up to.
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>>4785220
I'd rather we get back to the story, I'm curious what that building has inside. Also there's still a ton of stuff left to do in just one day.
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>>4785220
yeah story sounds better, we might run out of Paradox Carnival one shots at this rate
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>>4785242
There's always more oneshots.
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>>4785195
>Penguin

Meltchads rise up.

Are we feeding Leviathan-tan to Sakura?
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>>4785220
I want to go back to the story.
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>>4785220
Story pls.
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>>4785220
Story, save them for later or they might lose their novelty.

Story is a pseudo-carnival atm anyway
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>>4785257
>Story is a pseudo-carnival atm anyway
this.
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>>4785246
The sakura 5 aren't even snatching her body, they're just the AI fragments that are able to be summoned because LOL connections!

Out of all the sakura5 to survive, it's probably Violet and Kingprotea.

Kazuradrop is an instant death.
BB has a 10% chance, maybe. She would hope.
Melt is a difficult prediction.
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>>4785257
oh yeah that too we're in the middle of our break day
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>>4785259
Missed one.
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>>4785259
If you're thinking about which of the Sakura 5 Sakura would dislike, she'd probably not be happy with the fact that Violet is made out of Medusa.
Also you forgot Passionlip.
Damn that Presence Concealment A+.
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>>4785270
Since B.B is around, will we meet the Alter Ego's eventually?
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>>4785270
Violet might get to live just because she has the medusa composite.

>>4785269
Passionlip is too precious to be in the danger rating. I want her to be happy and safe and get a fucking SUMMER COSTUME
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>>4785280
Well... something something BB Catalyst to Imaginary Number Space something.
The answer is yes, if you try hard enough.

>>4785270
Oh, and as for the non Sakura 5, Parvati and Kama are totally screwed.
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>>4785286
kama is going to be obliterated, parvati might have a quicker end since she's at least respecting the body if at least in a miniscule way.
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>>4785286
>>4785282
I mean, maybe we could use concepts to grant her greatest wish.
Can you imagine not being to touch stuff without breaking it? What a nightmare.
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>>4785290
Just have Morgan give her BB or Sakura's Selfmod or Self Seal skills. She doesn't even need a concept, just a toggle option.
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>>4785290
Actually she probably wants both so she can also toggle off Masochistic Constitution.
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>>4785290
You probably wouldn't even need to use concepts, just get a few of the Servants on it.
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>>4785290
BB is a terrible mother.
It's no wonder most of her kids want to murder her.
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>>4785297
I mean, we're trying to get her to be a better person.
Maybe she'll eventually try to help them. Hopefully.
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>>4785297
Kazuradrop should have been aborted. Imagine making your hard counter and then mistreating it.
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Anyway, what is left to do on this day?
I think meeting with Tamamo was next?
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>>4785297
Solid 500 posts out of the carnival so far WhatIs. With no vote spam or autism planning either to pad it out. Good stuff, dab on /qtg/
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Update when?
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>>4785290
What's Passionlips favorite movie?
Edward Scissorhands
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>>4785335
could you not
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Its Ciel's birthday, kinda feel bad she hasn't gotten more stuff to do
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>>4785347
Happy Birthday, Ciel!

Wonder how she’ll get along with Nero.
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>>4784842
>>4784847
Absolutely beautiful.
>>4785200
Dragon solidarity.
>>4785220
Maybe special one for Ciel since it is her birthday and back to story?
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>>4785092
Not exactly what I was expecting, though I'm not really sure what exactly I was expecting.

>>4785200
That was nice. Perfect one to end the Carnival on.

>>4785207
>the conceptual obstacle really messes stuff like this up.
Sakura was where the plan went really wrong, Medea completely derailed it, and Vritra blocked our path. Somehow, this feels very appropriate.

>>4785220
Nah, let's go back on track. There's always next time. As for ideas, have you found the old ones?

And damn man, 11 updates in a single day.

>>4785310
Yes it was. After our mystery investigation date with Satsuki which will be fun and relaxing and totally not work at all.
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>>4785463
I wonder if he slept.

Seemed to clock off at a more normal time and no posts since. Carnival might function like a large meal for the writejannie
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>>4785474
Yeah, he must have done very little other than write at a regular pace yesterday. Satsuki sent his motivation through the roof, Canival must have been nourishing for the writefag's soul.
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>>4785463
¯\_ (ツ)_/¯

i thought i was pretty clear with the vorefag prompt request, dunno how people would misunderstand that
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>Master, Master! Hawawa, that, that person is no good! Not good at all, that Aloha Luluhawa BB-san! It's trivial whether if it's the real thing or something borrowed, if you can don't ask for the reason, or Master's SAN will Shine and it'll be a real pinch! B-b-but but, please don't worry. If it comes to worse, I'll burn her! I'll 『inci-nerate』 her in a burnable trash day. Please leave Chaldea to me!
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>>4785498
Why are all female chinese servants such semen demons?
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>>4785498
Nyatly-BB status: Patrolled
>>4785500
Jade-like beauties can`t resist jade-like charisma.
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>>4785515
Made for strangling

it's not a fetish I swear

>During the An Lushan Rebellion, as Emperor Xuanzong and his cortege were fleeing from the capital Chang'an to Chengdu, the emperor's guards demanded that he put Yang to death because they blamed the rebellion on her cousin Yang Guozhong and the rest of her family. The emperor capitulated and reluctantly ordered his attendant Gao Lishi to strangle Yang to death
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>>4784847
>>4784876
>>4784883
Holy fucking based
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>>4785527
Ahh that's right. He forgot the hawk. Gonna have to downgrade my rating of the wuxiaseaweed to 99/100
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>>4785524
>it's not a fetish I swear
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OK So uh... what was the winner of the last vote?

Also I guess I need to make the thread 34 OP image now, just to satiate my autism.
Anybody have any suggestions for background?
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>>4785540

Also, Camelot movie is on youtube for now.

Timestamped a very important part for everyone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nI-S8a9Sxk&t=2668s
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>>4785540
>OK So uh... what was the winner of the last vote?
I think it was checking the building with Nigger`s write-in.
>Anybody have any suggestions for background?
Something smug.
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>>4785547
>Humans cannot become Gods
Well that's a load of fucking bullshit right there.
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Waver using Zhuge Liang can force incarnate Saint Graphs to make people pseudos btw. Happened to not skipchad that part of Case Files event.

https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Chu_Shi_Biao

I'm curious as to who would get vored by Shinji as they try to enter his mind

>>4785555
You're not meant to listen, just watch the poorly drawn delicious brown
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>>4785549
Can somebody backlink it?
I'm kinda feeling too lazy to open up the last thread.
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>>4785568
>>4783227
Gochu senpai
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>>4785567
I'm voting Zuo Ci if its based on 3 Kingdoms dudes
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>>4785572
Interesting that I get the (you) even cross-thread.

>>4785574
Waver is in complete control of mr. overworked to death too. Cultivatormaxx Shinji will become reality soon enough.
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>>4785574
Shinji that accepted raping Sakura early on would have picked Chad Gong no question I imagine. No victory without sacrifice.
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>>4785567
POV: you just entered Shinji`s mind
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>>4785577
Good thing that you do it for the (you)s then.

>>4785578
Would have been a very different quest, no doubt.
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>>4785574
>Zuo Ci studied atop Mount Tianzhu, practiced medicinal alchemy and nourished his vital essence by controlled breathing and Taoist sexual practices. It is said that he could live for long periods without eating. He was also learned in the Confucian classics and in astrology.

>>4785579
I wonder how a guy who cultivates through sex would do with 15+ wives and a head full of metaverse doujin smut?
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>>4785574
I kinda wish we got more Three Kingdoms dudes and Lu Bu got to show up as a non-Berserker. FUCKING GIVE ME CAO CAO YOU FUCKS.
>>4785579
Entering Shinji's mind is a good way to be erased if he doesn't like you.
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>>4785584
WhatIs told us that Ciel has unlimited stamina.
>>4785586
Wasn`t Tamamo also counted as Daji?
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>>4785586
>FUCKING GIVE ME CAO CAO YOU FUCKS.
I see you are a man of taste as well.

Not that there was ever any doubt.
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>>4785593
So does SHIKI
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>>4785595
>We will never get to see based Cao Cao shit on Qin.
Fuck...
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>>4785602
Cultivator Shinji making SHIKI female with something out of Gil`s vault so he can cultivate through sex twice as fast.
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>>4785606
New carnival sequel already sorted
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>>4785593
A part of Tamamo was Daji, another part was the tomb guardian Yin Dragon of the leylines (dragon line protecting shen) of Huangdi's Tomb. She is. . . very syncretized.
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I just realized I should have written an outro with the Neco-Arcs.
I don't know if it's needed though, they'll be back fast enough.
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>>4785649
Ominous
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>>4785653
What can possibly be ominous about those adorable critters
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"Satsuki... Hold on, I've... spotted something unusual, we won't be heading back home just yet after all. There's something that... appears suspicious about that building over there. Almost like a bounded field... Whoever set it up... they don't appear to be the sort of person to really be all too bothered about being found. It's either a magus without much skill in bounded fields, a magus who wants to be found or... something else. Something worse.

"OK, Shinji-kun, I'm ready!" Satsuki sounds confident in herself as you turn off of the road and find a place to park, there's thankfully an open space not too far away from the building, and upon parking up, you quickly get out of the car. You hold Satsuki's parasol for her as the two of you briskly walk down towards the building, not wanting to be in the sunlight for longer than you have to be.

'Chiyome, where are you right now?' You mentally reach out to the ninja girl, who is rapidly becoming somebody able to contend with Medea for the spot for most reliable Servant.

'I am waiting patiently at home for your orders. I... did not wish to breach your privacy by eavesdropping on your affairs of love, not without your express permission to do so.' Chiyome's loyalty is once again admirable, that somebody shadowing you is also trying to respect your privacy is... a little odd, but you accept it. You can understand why she wouldn't want to do so, she's clearly doing her best not to upset you in any way.

'Well, I'm about a five minutes drive from the house right now, so I'm going to need you to keep an eye on my location at...' You inform the girl of your current location, just outside the suspicious looking building. 'I'm going into this building, so I'll keep in contact. If I really need you, I won't hesitate to use a command spell, keep the others informed, Medea especially, if things go wrong.' You explain your plans to the girl. You would've made contact with one of your other Servants, but this is actually supposed to be a day of rest for you, and they'd be less than pleased for you going off and doing something that could be considered work, which is why Chiyome's absolute loyalty is something you're counting on here.

'Understood.' Chiyome gives a simple response, and you shut off the mental link to the girl.

You take a look at the clearly magical building, before you take a deep breath and head inside, you have no idea just who or what is going to be inside this place, but... you feel the need to check it out for yourself. You push open the unlocked door, and begin to creep up a stairwell as quietly as you can. Satsuki is sticking close to your side, to an onlooker, it might look like she's clinging to you for safety, but that's not entirely true. She's actually clinging to you for your safety, so that she can move you out of the way if anything shows up that might be a possible threat.
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>>4785660
Do not let their appearance fool you. Neko-Arc is a cunning creature that seeks to take over the world
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Eventually the two of you reach the top of the stairwell, which leads to a single door left ajar. There's definitely something going on here, and... despite the feeling of magic in this place, you haven't really uncovered any bounded fields at all, could you have been mistaken?

Pushing onward, you enter the room beyond the door and look at the room before you, it's in... an unexpected high quality state. Where you would've expected the building to be a run-down mess from the outside, this small room looks like something far too opulent for the building. The walls are unblemished and decorated with engravings, the bed is a fancy looking four poster, the wooden floor is of maximum craftsmanship and covered with expensive looking rugs. The window is open, and you see a few crows sitting on the window sill of the house, apparently not having noticed your arrival into the room. There's definitely something weird going on here... You look at the crows with curiosity, before the noise of something heavy hitting the ground makes you turn your head away.

You turn to look at Satsuki, but then you realize that it couldn't have possibly been her. When you turn your head back towards the crows, they've all gone. They must've been startled by the loud noise. But... who could've made the noise, if it wasn't you or Satsuki? A coincidence, or is there somebody else in the house? Your questions are answered when the door to what appears to be the kitchen opens up, and unbelievably, out comes...

"Bazett?!" The woman looks startled by your presence in the house, and almost jumps back in fright.

"O-oh! It's... It's you! Finally! Lancer has lost his mind and has taken me prisoner! You need to help me get out of here before he gets back!" Bazett looks worried, but... something is definitely wrong with this situation. You can't quite place it though...

>"Come on, let's get out of here, Bazett."
>"I don't trust you."
>"How do I know I can trust you?"
>"Where's Lancer now?"
>Write-in...
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Oh, fuck. That's DEFINITELY work.

And that's definitely someone meatpuppeting Bazett, but I have no idea who it might be.
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>>4785672
Does the image have eyes more red for her than normal?
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Or maybe this is all an illusion by Caster CuOdin? Dammit, this was supposed to be a day of rest.
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>>4785683
Crows appear in CasCu's images, so probably something related to that.
Maybe someone was just knocked out and that fell to the floor, that was the sound? I guess it could be someone possessing Bazett, but not being able to operate two bodies at once.
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>>4785686
It could also be OdinCu leading us here to rescue Bazett from something, and isn't being antagonistic just manipulative, with the crows here being a kind of signal? Since he should know its super obvious.
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So much for the day of rest.
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Bazett is possessed by Morrígan?
Morrígan wanted Cu for herself and used this chance and Command Spells Bazzet had to get him?
Let Satsuki use her RM, we CS Chiyome to us and subdue Bazzet inside?
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>>4785690
Maybe? But I don't trust that Bazett. Ignoring everything else, she's living in luxury. This is not her typical behavior. Though I suppose Caster Cu really could have brought her here.

>>4785691
It's all your fault. Ignoring Neko-Arc made her upset, so of course we'd jump at the next plot hook thrown our way.
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>>4785692
That is pretty plausible, and I can't think of a better plan. We should be able to talk to her in Satsuki's garden before we have to subdue her.
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>>4785692
Ideally we don't need to CS as Chiyome is fast as fuck and the RM will give us time to wait for her. As Satsuki is strong right now.
That noise is a big clue though, I feel.
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>>4785695
>>4785696
Ideally we would bottlevore Morrígan inside RM and Medea would be able to use this time to get Scáthach here as well since Cu might show up soon.
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>>4785692
yeah, is there any downside to dragging her into Satsuki's RM so we can grab her and truth inspect her?

I'm a bit worried about the emotional soak aspect of Satsuki's RM though... if I'm imagining it correctly
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Are we even IN the building or did we get faery circle'd? Do we see whats outside the window?
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>>4785700
>I'm a bit worried about the emotional soak aspect of Satsuki's RM though... if I'm imagining it correctly
I don`t think Morrígan is portrayed super insane and evil.
Satsuki took us, Arc, Sakura, Mordred in her RM just fine. And Sakura is Sakura.
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>>4785696
If she's not here when Satsuki activates it, she can't get in.
We've been pretty stingy with seals already.
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>>4785706
I meant as in we tell her to hurry, lock Bazett in RM and when it ends Chiyome is waiting outside ready to swoop in. But I guess we can use some CS.
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>>4785701
You can see the buildings opposite.
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>>4785706
I'm sure we can CS her in if we need it. I don't think we need her yet.
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>>4785712
Can we CS Chiyome to inside satsuki's RM?
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>>4785716
You don't know.
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>>4785717
well thats nice
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If Morrígan put her own curses on Cu it is better to have her in bottle for a fight. Or maybe we would get a chance to avoid fighting Cu outright.
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>>4785672
>CS Chiyome in
>Ask Satsuki to pull you all in her Garden
>Have a nice fruendly chat with what I can only assume is Morrigan

Better safe than sorry. Will switch if someone comes up with something better.
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We are you calling QM?
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>>4785725
30 minutes.
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>>4785724
Should we try asking some questions first and catching her? We dont KNOW if shes puppeted or just mindfucked, or if its truly the Morrigan.
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>>4785729
Manaka said something about enhancing our friends to make the game more interesting. We couldn't scry her, but we could scry Cu. And even if she's not being meatpuppeted, I can think if no better place to hold this conversation.
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>>4785672
>Pretend to believe 'Bazett" and play along stalling it while telepathically contacting Chiyome and warning her about Command Spell summon and possible possession by divine spirit
>Telepathically contact Medea and tell her about this location and ask to bring Scáthach or anybody else who will be up to fight Cu potentially
>Command Spell Chiyome here
>Ask Satsuki to pull you all inside Salvation Gardens
I think this covers all possible angles. Unless we want Shuten or Suzuka here too right away or something like that.
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>>4785735
I don't think we should talk to Medea yet. We can do it from inside the RM if we need to. Otherwise looks solid.
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>>4785739
If Bazett is possessed like we think she is we might not get a window to do so or Gardens might cut off communication. Better safe than sorry.
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Seeing as the update came early today and not many people have voted yet... I'll give you an hours extension on voting time.
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>>4785749
Even if Bazett is possessed, she'll not start a fight in Satsuki's Garden. I don't see why it would cut off communications either. The reasons we didn't want to just call Medea and have her investigate it herself still apply, I think.

Not to mention that if Scathach gets here and starts fighting Cu in the morning, the city gets wrecked, the coverup gets that much harder, and the day is ruined.
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>>4785735
Supporting. However I also want to write in
>Apologize profusely to Medea when you get home seeing as this was meant to just be a day of relaxation and not a day to focus on the grail war
I mean we were just meant to relax today correct? Well regardless the result of this will either be getting Bazett, Lancer, or both back.

As for the concept that we apply to Lancer. Just for fun, how about we completely reverse his E-Rank Luck. Aka give him the concept of ‘Lucky’. Does it fit? Probably not. But again this suggestion is more for fun if anything. Something like Spear or Agility may be a little more fitting....fuck if I know I’m ass at coming up with concepts.
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'My dearest Shinji,

You didn't want to play by the rules I gave you and didn't want to even come to see me, so I've changed the game! Your friends are now free! Now your new challenge is to save them all before they manage to get themselves killed! Of course, it wouldn't be much of a game if they weren't playing to win, so they are going to target you too! It definitely wouldn't have been fair if the humans weren't given a little boost either, so I decided to help them out through using their bodies as hosts for two extraordinarily compatible spirits!

Have fun!

Love from,
Manaka Sajyou'

Unless Manaka lied, this is definitely not Bazett.
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>>4785758
Apologize to Medea AND Sakura. They both insisted. Sakura even more so. But I'm sure we won't be getting home in the next update, let's keep this for later.
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>>4785763
Shit knew I was forgetting something. Yeah
>Apologize profusely to Medea and Sakura when you get home seeing as this was meant to just be a day of relaxation and not a day to focus on the grail war
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>>4785755
If Cu gets here things will heat up regardless and it will be just as hard to cover up.
Whatever Bazett deal is right now it is save to assume that she likely has same Contract Shuten had. So she will try to resist with all she has.
>>4785758
I think apologizing time will come later. Most of our allies wanted us to take a break.
>>4785760
It could be Medb too? But she has no raven theme.
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Iirc Odin sees what his crows sees, so Cu already knows about us. So much for free day.
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>>4785763
Tbh I wouldn't apologize for checking out something that was nearly directly in our way and suspicious as fuck.
There is not seeking out trouble, and there is getting into trouble because we don't check out something super suspicious.
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>>4785767
We can ask Medea to teleport us out if it looks like it's getting into a fight with Cu. This is something we absolutely cannot afford, for many, many reasons.

Medb is possible, if the ravens were Cus. I'm still betting on Morrigan.

>>4785769
We don't know it's Odin for sure, but yes.

>>4785770
We could have ignored it, contacted Medea, and asked her to scry it for us. We most definitely need to apologise, and getting involved here was a mistake.
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>>4785672
Switch >>4785724 to
>Pretend to believe 'Bazett" and play along stalling it while telepathically contacting Chiyome and warning her about Command Spell summon and possible possession by divine spirit
>Command Spell Chiyome here
>Ask Satsuki to pull you all inside Salvation Gardens

Taking out what I disagree with from the write in in order to provide an alternative.
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>>4785672
>Pretend to believe 'Bazett" and play along stalling it while telepathically contacting Chiyome and warning her about Command Spell summon and possible possession by divine spirit
>Command Spell Chiyome here
>Ask Satsuki to pull you all inside Salvation Gardens
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>>4785778
>>4785672
Support

Linking correctly.
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Also, isn't Odin capable of changing his appearance to mask as other people? That might be lancer himself masking as Bazett.
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>>4785672
>>4785778
Supporting.
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>>4785787
Good point anon. It changes what we should talk to "Bazett" about, but not what we should do now, I think.
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Just imagine collecting all those goddesses inside bottles and than presenting them Ereshkigal and telling them that she is good goddess and all of them are trash.
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>>4785787
I'd like to imagine Odin would be better at deception and stuff than this Bazett us. Either via magic or just being more convincing at acting.
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>>4785794
Honestly, Ereshkigal seems the nicest goddess in the nasuverse from what I've seen. Though I admit I haven't read about every single one of them.
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>>4785794
This is how you get 99/100's anon.
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>>4785778
>>4785672
+1
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>>4785797
Quetz is also pretty okay, I think? But probably yes.
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>>4785758
>profusely
No. Shinji needs more spine, no need to lower himself so much.
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>>4785672
>>4785778
Support
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>>4785803
Do we know how Eresh originally looked like? It'll be extremely hard to explain why we made the puppet look like a blonde Rin for no reason.

>>4785810
I've heard good things about Quetz, yes. But I can't be bothered to look her up unless she becomes relevant.
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>>4785816
Nero already exists, we can just put it into "coincidence" or "the creator of this universe is not creative"
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>>4785816
Presumably she looks similar to Ishtar, and we could always ask the bottle since they're sisters.
Enkidu probably met her when he was dead.
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>>4785816
We don't. Its likely that the actual true form of Gods is just a mass of information that looks like light without an avatar/host so....They look like their host or what they want to look like/what is imagined of them, I guess?
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>>4785816
Just tell her the Blonde Rin isn't her, its the Extra Rin thats merely descended of Tokiomi and is a Spiritron Hacker. Not sure if thats addressed but thats the blonde Rin I know.
Problem...transformed? Solved?
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>>4785826
Just let she look like rin, its more cute this way and gives rin another sister like artoria did with fairy saber.
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>>4785797
It's a shame that so many of the goddesses I feel are worse by default due to being fine with meatpuppeting people.
Especially when we know from Rasputin and Zhuge Liang and sort of Sitonai that if they want to, they can just sit back and watch and not usurp control of the body of the person they are squatting in.
At least Quetz isn't specifically meatpuppeting somebody.
Jaguar Man was a joke that was taken too far.
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>>4785826
>The actual true form of Gods is just a mass of information
MECHACHADS
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>In Sumerian religion, Gugalanna (Sumerian: 𒄞𒃲𒀭𒈾) is the first husband of Ereshkigal, the queen of the underworld.[1]
>Some scholars consider Gugalanna to be the same figure as the Bull of Heaven, slain by Gilgamesh and Enkidu in the Epic of Gilgamesh.[4]
oh boy.
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>>4785842
Wait, Sumerian Text is ok by 4chan formatting but these stars aren't?
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>>4785839
Mechachads are their body, the "true" mechachad is the program ran by the robots, solved? I do know that that's how Divine Spirit Iskander manifested in Spirit Tomb, so its a pretty "true form". Maybe its Divine Spirits only and not Gods?

>>4785842
This isn't a thing in Nasu I think. Gugalanna is a Divine Beast weapon thing. I don't think even Nergal was the husband of Eresh in nasu version.

>>4785837
Jaguar Man is nothing. The real going too far would be Tezcatlipoca is both jaguar smoking mirror god and also the myth version of ORT as the spider god, so Jaguar Man is also ORT bunrei pseudo.
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>>4785837
>Jaguar Man was a joke that was taken too far.
I remember a quest of Taiga mc in the 5th war, and she started getting Jaguarman's powers and beat the shit out of the guy that summoned Medea, that had summoned Circe this time. Taiga became her master, and it was a lot of fun. And then it died.
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>>4785843
That's a very small star.
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>>4785822
I don't think coincidence will cut it here, but I suppose it's better than nothing. And I don't recommend talking about Takeuchi to anyone other than maybe Sasaki.

>>4785823
Yeah, we should do that.

>>4785826
We already know what Ishtar looked like though. Maybe Eresh looked like a dark-haired Ishtar, to go along with how she had a different hair color than Ishtarin?

>>4785837
>meatpuppeting
Yeah, true, this is abhorrent.

>>4785846
>I don't think even Nergal was the husband of Eresh in nasu version.
No, he wasn't. He merely tricked her and gave her authority over plagues instead of over the sun like she wanted to make the underworld a brighter place.
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>>4785846
It might be a case by case basis for different gods
you know
because muh textures.
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>>4785849
Are you talking about the anonkun quest?
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>>4785850
For (You)
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>>4785852
>We already know what Ishtar looked like though.
That's not an official design tho, its a PFALZ fan design like the Humbaba and ORT designs. Before SF we didn't have an official Humbaba and we still don't have an official ORT design.
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>>4785672
I'm outta here, it's my day off.
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>>4785850
can you triforce yet
>>4785852
We really dont need to give any explanation, if rin asks we can just tell her that we dont know why the the goddess looks like her but blonde.
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>>4785854
We know thats also how Arcueid's True Form looks like probably. Extra dude found her in the Himalayas and instantly thought her as a god above gods and became her worshipper.

Holmes and someone else found a being of light in the Himalayas that was so transcendent he swears by it rather than to God in internal thoughts iirc. So. Coincidence?

This is the source of the theory that it was Arc possessing or hiding inside Holmes not a Foreigner but I don't know if that theory is still extant
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>>4785855
Yeah.
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>>4785857
>Before SF we didn't have an official Humbaba
Why the fuck is it a robot.
WHY THE FUCK IS IT A ROBOT.
NOTHING ELSE IN BABYLONIA WAS A ROBOT.
THOMAS HUMBABA EDISON
Isn't PFALZ design what they went for for Gugalanna?
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>>4785852
You know. After Niggerman mentioned choking I am thinking Ishtar looks pretty chokable here.
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>>4785862
Arcueid in Extra was made non-canon IIRC.
So no.
Nothing in this setting is planned, you just make shit vague enough and then call back to it.
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>>4785864
i'm so tired of mecha-fication of the AoG. please retcon that shit if we ever go to like 10,000BC
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>>4785864
Because it devours the environment automatically and it was summoned in a reactor building and absorbed the city.
If it was summoned in a forest or somewhere else, it would be different.

It's true form is something like Enkidu's base form before Shamhat, which is like a giant mud thing with horns.
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>>4785864
Isnt Gugalanna more of a storm with armor? At least in FGO thats how it looks, kinda.
>>4785866
>made non-canon
hah, i dont get nasu sometimes, he makes that non-canon but not the other retarded shit
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>>4785864
PFALZ Gugalanna was like a giant skeleton cow, I think?
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>>4785854
Could you do an interlude where Sakura and Shinji encountered Rin possessed by Ishtar in Paradox Reincarnated? How would they react to "our" Rin suddenly possessed by Ishtar instead of Illya?
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>>4785857
Really? I thought it was official when it was posted in previous threads. Then it's the best we have, I suppose.

>>4785859
I guess? We know it's not how she originally looked though, and Eresh will want to know too. "I don't know" is becoming increasingly implausible when we know pretty much everything else.
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>>4785866
I thought there was a thing where Koyanskaya encounters a "wandering shitty monk" in the Indian LB or something that says the same line to her like the Extra dude asked Arc to be his goddess that she references.

So take that as you will as to what and how gets referenced. I just treat everything that appears as canon, even, or especially if its stupid. That is the surest way.
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>>4785873
We can ask eresh? If summoning her into a puppet or something.
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>>4785868
It's still really dumb.

>>4785872
Next Carnival, remind me.

>>4785871
Yeah, the official design.
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>>4785878
Yeah, allowing her to customize her body herself seems like the best option here. Gives us an easy way out if she does choose to look like a blonde Rin.
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>>4785882
Here's Gugulanna.
It's the same as the one we see.
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>>4785882
>Next Carnival, remind me.
Why don't you have a txt with all the suggestions saved?
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>>4785882
Isn't the design of Gugalanna a giant storm thing, with the four tornadoes in SF incoming being its four legs? With GO also having it be a giant storm thing, or is this brainrot?
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>>4785870
>hah, i dont get nasu sometimes, he makes that non-canon but not the other retarded shit
Because he arbitrarily decided that Tsuki and Fate worlds can't exist.
Even though Dead Apostles still exist.
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>>4785886
Less of a robot and more of a walking skeleton bull thing.
>>4785891
FGO uses the design from QM's pic if i remember correctly.
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>>4785891
>>4785886
I see, so it is a skeleton. It's just not shown like that, I guess?
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>>4785892
We know why, nasu is lazy and don't want to have to think of one while making shit for the other.
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>>4785892
inb4 Tsuki no Sango is more canon to Fate than Tsuki, as the perpetual motion generators look like Fantasy Trees/Rhongo.
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>>4785891
You're brainrotting
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>>4785882
>>4785888
Agreed, it might be a good idea to keep a word document with all suggestions for the next carnival senpai
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>>4785888
>>4785899
Because I lost the original in a sea of documents.
I'll just go through and amass them.

>>4785896
Honestly, I would've preferred that Fate and Tsukihime were just kept entirely seperate if they were going to be seperated instead of being in this wierd connective fuck around state like we've got today.
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So is the vote called?
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>>4785903
Probably, what won?
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>>4785902
>Because I lost the original in a sea of documents.
Pastebin, google docs, etc. After you've made the new one, backup it (and everything else) so you don't lose it again.

And I still don't see why Fate and Tsukihime should ever be separated at all. There's nothing contradictory between the two.
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>>4785905
>And I still don't see why Fate and Tsukihime should ever be separated at all.
Because Nasu needed a mascot character.
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>>4785902
Fate and Tsukihime only ever fit together somewhat well with the original visual novel and fighting game continuities anyway. Kara no Kyoukai, Zero, Strange/Fake and Mahou Tsukai no Yoru probably fits well in the same world thing too.
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>>4785906
Saberface and Arcface would be the mascot for every game or every story I guess?
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>>4785904
>Pretend to believe 'Bazett" and play along stalling it while telepathically contacting Chiyome and warning her about Command Spell summon and possible possession by divine spirit
>Command Spell Chiyome here
>Ask Satsuki to pull you all inside Salvation Gardens

This I believe.
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>>4785905
>not making all you texts in notepad and saving it as "1414234234.txt"
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>>4785911
That's not what a Mascot Character is.
Mascot Characters are basically pointless characters that don't really serve any purpose other than to look cute or to be a plot device.
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>>4785915
Fou is very cute and looks very fucking fluffy.
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>>4785915
So Illya is this quest's mascot character? :^)
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>>4785919
As much as she was the Mascot Character in F/SN.
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>>4785919
We are talking about our cute snake wife Medusa.
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>>4785906
FGO's in the future. He could have made it so someone turned Primal Murder into Fou in the meantime like we're planning to do if he wanted. True answer is that Nasu is lazy.

>>4785913
>Autistic screeching
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>>4785919
>>4785923
Rude.
We will make illya useful, girl fucking needs it.
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>>4785928
Maybe Illya inherited or stole some Ishtar power
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>>4785934
that would be hilarious if she stole some of her authority.
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>>4785934
>Maybe
She almost definitely did. We'll find out later today, if we don't blow up the city first.
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Rolled 2 (1d3)

N1
B2
M3
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>>4785961
OHNONONONONO
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>>4785961
Oh shit
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>>4785961
???
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Btw if we don't do lewd things to Medea and Sakura tonight I'm going to lose it.
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Great, here come the rolls.
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>The Morrígan is often described as a trio of individuals, all sisters, called "the three Morrígna".[4][8][9] Membership of the triad varies; sometimes it is given as Badb, Macha and Nemain[10
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>>4785967
So B is Badb probably. We didn't get Nemain at least. That's good.
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>>4785965
They will too.
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>>4785971
I'm not sure what it means though. Bazett was possessed just by Badb, or is she just the dominant personality right now. Or maybe something else?

>>4785973
After the work we're doing right now, we'll be lucky if they don't tie us down and lock us in our room for the rest of the day.
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>>4785967
I guess its like Morgan. She is supposed to have 3 souls/three faces as well. It gets mentioned in Nasu stuff too.
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>>4785976
Badb is either a very good or bad matchup against us. We may just RIP her prophecy stuff, and otherwise she has fear and confusion effects, I think? While Nemain has stuff like killing 100 men in a single battle cry.
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>>4785971
>>4785975
I think Nemain would have been hardcountered by Chiyome.
Badb looks like more of a direct fighter.
And Macha is likely more of a leader type.
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>>4785983
>Badb looks like more of a direct fighter.
Good think we're pulling her into the one place she can't start a fight.

I hope it works.
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>>4785983
Doesn't Badb seem to have more fear, confusion and prophecy stuff, rather than battle? She dooms people but doesn't seem to actually fight without just inciting confusion and chaos amongst the ranks.
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>>4785961
SERVANT SUMMONING INCOMING. WATCH OUT BROS. SHINJIBOWL MAY OR MAY NOT END UP BEING +1
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>>4785985
We really only need 10 second to do it. As long as we avoid getting fragarached.
>>4785992
I am quite certain they many versions of her in myths? But she is seems to more often portrayed as more of a war goddess than rest of them. They do share most of those qualities but I think make her the direct one is more sensible. Bad prophecies and all that is pretty universal in any version of three of them as far as I remember.
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>>4786001
Listen.

I aint saying no to a celtic multifaceted war goddess mommy.
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>>4786010
Would we even get hit with the anti-ultimate aspect of Fragarach? Our concept manip isn't an attack or an ultimate move per se, and Sacchin can just take a heart shot, as a DA.
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Yeah, you don't believe 'Bazett' her for an instant about whatever she's doing in this place. There's too much out of order here for you to believe this at all. For one, why on Earth would Bazett want to live in an opulent place? While she certainly wouldn't refuse something like that, she's not the sort of person to go out of her way for something like this, and there's no way that this place wasn't created recently. No tiny apartment would've looked like this, and Cu is definitely not the sort of person to ever bother with something like this either. Not to mention the strangeness of the whole situation with the magical oddness of the house, and, well, you'd have to be a fool to forget what Manaka told you in that letter. No, this woman might be using Bazett's body, but this is not Bazett.

"That's terrible, Bazett! Do you know where Lancer is now? Is he nearby, or is it safe to go immediately?" You need to draw as much information from this enemy as you can before you act, though of course, you'll need to take whatever she tells you with a pinch of salt, this woman is certainly an enemy, and you can't trust her at all. 'Chiyome, stand-by, I might be about to summon you if I get the chance, there's a possible divine spirit possession that I might need you to take care of' You don't exactly know Bazett especially well, but she's still somebody you considered an ally, and because of that, a friend. You aren't going to let some spirit puppet her body around like she's a toy!

"He said he was just going out to scout out the city again, and that he'd kill me if I tried to leave! He says he'd track me down the moment he felt me leave this place!" The woman is acting, you know that, the original Bazett probably wouldn't have allowed herself to appear so vulnerable in front of others unless she were truly terrified, and you just don't see Lancer as the type of person to be able to terrify her.

"Don't worry, Bazett. I'll summon my Servant to protect us from Lancer." You raise a hand, looking at your twelve command spells. "Chiyome, come to me immediately!" You activate the command spell, opting to use Chiyome's True Name instead of her class, both because you have two Assassins, and the fact that simply knowing who Chiyome is won't be any help to a Servant, her current existence is one quite dissimilar to the original Chiyome, at least in terms of her abilities. In fact, it might even be advantageous to allow her name to be known. One would think that Chiyome would have a conceptual weakness to curses thanks to the curse Orochi put on her, but in fact, she's now anathema to them thanks to your power.
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Chiyome appears at your side immediately as you speak the words to summon her, and after examining the room and the lack of a current combat, does a quick bow towards you before standing close to you, clearly distrusting of the woman in front of her. "Oh thank goodness, so can we go then?" She gives an awkward smile before she starts to walk towards you, but you hold out a hand to stop her and she indeed stops walking forwards.

"Just one more thing. Why wouldn't you just use those command spells on the back of your hand if you were so worried about Lancer?" The woman flinches backwards, if a Master were so terrified of their Servant, then they could just order them to kill themselves, those command spells on the back of her hand are very much still active too. Whatever Manaka did to Bazett, she didn't sever the contract of Servant and Master. "Satsuki! Use your Reality Marble, now!"

"R-right!" Satsuki sounds a little bit confused by the sudden shift in tone of the conversation, but... "Salvation Gardens!" She activates the Reality Marble anyway, did you mention how impressive incantationless casting of a Reality Marble is yet? It's something that shouldn't even really be possible,

"W-what are you doing? Why are you treating me like an enemy all of a sudden!?" Bazett whimpers, before her expression changes entirely, an overconfident smirk appearing on her face, her teeth appear to have sharpened all of a sudden as well. "I'll take it from here, Mortal, you should just rest now." Bazett's voice changes slightly too, the effect of tremendous confidence. She looks at you, Chiyome and Satsuki. "What a beautiful world you've brought me to."

"Who are you?!" You shout at the being inside of Bazett's body. You knew something like this was coming.

"Who am I? I am Badb. I am Nemain. I am Macha. Together We are the Morrigan. That woman, Bazett. I am Her too. So She is Us, despite being a mere mortal, She is somebody We... sympathize with." The goddess adjusts the pair of gloves she's wearing. "For the sake of Our Master, and for the resolution We seek, I, Badb, shall grant the three of you a swift painless death. There is no use resisting me."

"I beg to differ. Don't you get it?! You've already lost! Inside Satsuki's Reality Marble, nothing can harm her!" You gloat at the woman, now all that needs to be done is incapacitate her long enough for Chiyome to perform an exorcism.

"That's... where you're wrong. Reality Marble or not, I am Badb, I am Nemain, I am Macha, and where I stand is my own territory." Something seems to change about the goddess, and all of a sudden, an overwhelming amount of power is released! This is... unbelievable!
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"She's... She's overwriting Salvation Gardens!?" Satsuki seems visibly alarmed as the grassy hilltop that the Morrigan is standing atop begins to wither and die.

[Status Updated!]

>"Everyone! Attack her!"
>"Satsuki! Deactivate Salvation Gardens! Now!"
>"Satsuki, restrain her!"
>Use three of your command spells, summon everyone.
>Write-in...
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>>4786024
Okay, well.

Since we're in Salvation Garden as of yet, can we install a Concept into it, like we did Sakura's inner world? Unrelatedly to Satsuki's actual core.
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We can try to give Salvation Gardens cool concept?
>>4786013
Ah yes. Marrying schizo goddess with each multiface having its own split personalities as a solution to monogamy-harem conflict.
>>4786017
So should be Chiyome`s anti-curse and bottlevore.
I am not that certain about us and Fragarach. It is pure bullshit sometimes. I am only certain that you can`t kill us with prophecies since we are above Root.
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...fuck
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>>4786026
My guess is that we could put the concept of Utopia into Salvation Garden, to make a pseudo (or Truth?) version of Avalon but based on Satsuki.
Actively fuck over Morrigan's war and death aspects.
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>>4786029
A day of rest.
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>Territory Creation: EX
>As she contains a Goddess of Sovereignty, wherever Alter-Ego goes is automatically considered her territory, this ability can be used to overwrite the territory of even other gods or goddesses.
>Sovereignty of Macha: A+ (EX)
>????????????????????????????
This is from Macha.
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Calling when
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>>4786031
Serenity sounds like a better concept to me, but I don't think this is a fight we can win right now. I would recommend telling Satsuki to drop the Gardens and Command Sealing Medea to get all three of us out of here.

>>4786032
This is approximately 75% your fault.
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>>4786034
54 minutes.
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So, sending chiyome to try to seal her now would be a bad idea?
Cant we try to restrain her somehow?
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>>4786035
Installing Nullification into Sakura was very OP. I would say it would be at least as strong for Satsuki's RM, I feel. With the correct concept of course.
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Before I changed it due to popular demand, Lancer of Orochi was going to be Ferdiad.
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>>4786031
>>4786035
How about all those cheat ultimate concepts we were talking about in previous thread?
Ultimate, Limitless, Infinity, Boundlessness, Conceptuality ? Maybe Control to give her Omnipotence inside her Reality Marble?
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>>4786024
>"Satsuki, restrain her!"
>Write-in
>Imprint the concept of Resolute on Satsuki's Salvation Gardens
It will have several powerful effects due to the word's many meanings
>Strong-willed, meaning that it won't budge to reality tampering
>Resolute, as in conflict resolution, which will magnify the MP's pacifying effects.
>Purposeful, a jack of all trades that will possibly increase the extent to which Satsuki can manipulate her world.
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>>4786036
>"W-what are you doing? Why are you treating me like an enemy all of a sudden!?" Bazett whimpers, before her expression changes entirely, an overconfident smirk appearing on her face, her teeth appear to have sharpened all of a sudden as well. "I'll take it from here, Mortal, you should just rest now." Bazett's voice changes slightly too, the effect of tremendous confidence. She looks at you, Chiyome and Satsuki. "What a beautiful world you've brought me to."

Hm, interesting.
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>>4786024
>Send Chiyome and Satsuki to restrain her if she can
>Begin the process to install a concept onto Salvation Gardens itself (Paradise). Chant however many lines of our RM aria in the required 10 seconds we can.

My plan is to both make it a concept most compatible with Salvation Garden itself, and something to fuck over war goddess.

>>4786041
This would be a concept to the Inner World not Satsuki herself. Just like Sakura's inner world has a concept, but she doesn't have one per se, I think.
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Indomitability might also do the trick.
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>>4786041
Cheat Concepts will require way more magical energy than what you have available.
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>>4786024
>"Satsuki! Deactivate Salvation Gardens! Now!"
>Command Seal Medea to teleport all three of you out. Use as many as necessary.
>Apologize profusely to Medea, Sakura and everyone else around when you get home seeing as this was meant to just be a day of relaxation and not a day to focus on the grail war

We are up against a triple goddess, with almost no backup. Satsuki didn't work. We MIGHT be able to pull off a quick victory with the correct concept. We might not. It is still too much to risk it. Let's just bail. It was a mistake to get involved, but we don't have to double down.

>>4786040
Sometimes I hate you a little.
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>>4786041
>Infinity, Boundlessness
Save those for Okita.
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>>4786047
Can we use up a Command Seal to fuel the process?
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>>4786048
I won't vote for the "apologize profusely" part, just saying. And I think you are overreacting and panicking.
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>>4786051
If you wanted to use all of them.
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>>4786055
And I think you're way too overconfident about the goddess of Authority who started overwriting Satsuki's Reality Marble in an instant, and is only one third of what we're up against now.

I also don't see why you won't vote to apologise.
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>Salvation Gardens - The World will be my Shield: EX Ranked Anti-World Reality Marble
>The Reality Marble of Satsuki Yumizuka: A world that can be invoked by her simply expelling a great deal of magical energy. Unlike most Reality Marbles, that require a long aria to be able to be manifested, Satsuki has no need for this, and can manifest her Reality Marble simply by drawing on her vampiric powers. Inside the Marble, natural violent impulses are dulled, and feelings of hatred or rage are slowly sapped away and absorbed into the world. In addition to this, while inside her Reality Marble, Satsuki cannot be harmed, wounded, negatively affected or even scratched by anything that hasn't got power sufficient to destroy a Pocket Dimension. A form of complete invincibility while within the Marble.
>The drawback of this Reality Marble is that all of those feelings of hatred and rage, and all of those dulled violent impulses are instead given to Satsuki.
I am leaning towards Control/Indomitability/Authority. Something that prevents Salvation Gardens from being overcome by another force.
All three of them are not that insane as far as Concepts go.
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>>4786048
>Sometimes I hate you a little.
Oh well, Ferdiad might still show up at some point.
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>>4786056
Something like resolute wouldnt be a cheat concept? only the ones like infinity and shit?
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>>4786060
Resolute's a safe bet, which is why I suggested it. Versatile, but not broken. Might require a CS or two, tops.
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>I know! We'll use Salvation Gardens! That way she wont be able to attack us!
>HAHA! Little did you know I just so happen to have the perfect counter to that!
Every fucking time.
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>>4786058
I have two problems with that:
A) We'll be applying a Concept to the Gardens aiming to solve the current problem, not provide her with the most compatible Concept. This means the Concept will be weaker than it otherwise would have been.
B) What if it doesn't work? We're risking Morrigan permanently fucking Satsuki's RM. Why?
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>>4786056
Do CS have so little magical energy, or are those concepts just so big?
Is Paradise and Utopia also cheat concepts?
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>>4786063
It's funny that you ended up getting to this point with Satsuki of all people.
I've had the Morrigan's full character sheet done since you first found out about what Manaka did to your allies.
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>>4786067
I saw shit like this coming. The Morrigan is the sort of goddess that would be into guerrila warfare and unorthodox tactics. She isn't just a goddess of death but of warfare too, which most people tend to forget. And just because a deity is of something supposedly negative, or has something negative as their job, doesn't mean they themselves are an asshole.
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>>4786065
Absolutely, those are tied to existing mystical places, and the words themselves have a hundred allegorical and metaphorical meanings.
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>>4786067
We thought it would have been an Assassin with Presence Concealment, not a goddess. Though in retrospect, the goddess who wanted Cu and got rejected fits much better than anything else.
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>>4786064
>A) We'll be applying a Concept to the Gardens aiming to solve the current problem, not provide her with the most compatible Concept. This means the Concept will be weaker than it otherwise would have been.
All of those are match Salvation Gardens quite well. They are just not something insane like Asha was for example.
>B) What if it doesn't work? We're risking Morrigan permanently fucking Satsuki's RM. Why?
For all we know it could be already fucked up or partially consumed into creating new Superboss unless process is reversed right away.
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I prefer finishing her in this encounter.
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>>4786068
>She isn't just a goddess of death but of warfare too.
So are we planning on keeping her around? Would 2 gods of the same thing clash?
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>>4786024
Switch >>4786048 to
>"Satsuki! Deactivate Salvation Gardens! Now!"
>Form a bubble of Truth around all three of you to protect you from anything Morrigan might try to pull off.
>Command Seal Medea to teleport all three of you out. Use as many as necessary.
>Apologize profusely to Medea, Sakura and everyone else around when you get home seeing as this was meant to just be a day of relaxation and not a day to focus on the grail war

Improved version.
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>>4786063
She looks so much stronger than everything Grandpa summoned.
>>4786075
>keeping her around
In a bottle.
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>>4785965
Like handholding?
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>>4786064
A RM is the reflection of someone's being
Anything that works for it should work for satsuki.
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Would counterspell work on whatever it is she is doing? I'm guessing not if it's just her ability to create territory.
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An other idea would be to end the RM and summon Betty with a CS. Morrigan only has B End so Eyes may fuck her up, and Betty is both Authority wise opposed to death and not a god or goddess or a normal mortal.
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>>4786078
Support
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Yikes, already on the job and he does it for free too
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>>4786078
Meh, just running now give her time to scheme more and maybe create another problem like orochi
I prefer making a plan that would involve defeating her and ending this shit.
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>>4786086
What?
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>>4786086
>Beloved of Alaya
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>>4786072
>All of those are match Salvation Gardens quite well
Control/Indomitability/Authority
How does a Garden of Peace fits with those three concepts? How are these concepts better than something like Serenity?

>For all we know it could be already fucked up or partially consumed into creating new Superboss unless process is reversed right away.
I don't think that is the case here, but I concede it is a valid concern.

>>4786081
Not quite, but close. Even so, how do Control/Indomitability/Authority fit Satsuki?

>>4786088
She's already been scheming since yesterday. The only new thing she learned is that she can't trick us, and Satsuki's RM. Our original plan was to ignore her today. I don't see why that would change.
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>>4786024
>"Satsuki! Deactivate Salvation Gardens! Now!"
>"Chiyome protect us!
>If we get out of the RM, use Command Seals to summon Betty and Shuten.
>Telepathically communicate warn Shuten and Betty about the situation beforehand
>Also telepathically tell Medea to bring anti-Divines like Alcides and things that would be good against the Morrigan, like Scathach. Tell her our location of course.

A plan for those who don't want to try to fit 10 seconds before Morrigan overwrites shit, but also want to end it now instead of running away.
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>>4786024
>>4786078
Support
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>>4786091
Because it is a Garden of Enforced Peace, not a naturally peaceful place.
You get chucked in, you cannot do or conceive of being non peaceful, rather things being naturally peaceful.
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>>4786091
Giving her more time to make her plans is bad.
And i the concept i would vote for her would be Resolute.

Hey QM, do adding a concept to a RM stops us from adding one to satsuki later? You said we could do another for sakura because we only changed her internal world or something.
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>>4786093
Support.
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How do you feel about your current situation?
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>>4786091
>How does a Garden of Peace fits with those three concepts?
Salvation Gardens impose their will on everything inside of them. They affect physical and magical laws and minds of everyone inside of them.
Control over everything here is their main function. It is just focused on very specific thing right now.
Indomitability as something that can`t be overwhelmed or subdued like their effects on Satsuki or Gardens itself.
Authority is a representaion of Satsuki`s will over Salvation Gardens as they are her Reality Marble.
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>>4786024
>>4786093
Support
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>>4786097
Reality Marbles are a little different to Sakura's INS Internal World
In fact, seeing as Reality Marbles are effectively a manifestation of your 'self' allowing one to be corrupted by another might be very very bad.
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>>4786105
Can we add a concept to both or not? I want to know so we can see if we can add one now and another later to satsuki directly.
And yeah, letting her corrupt is obviously bad.
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>>4786024
>>4786093
Supporting.
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>>4786096
>>4786101
I see it as a calming place, not one that controls you into being peaceful. Control and Authority have a far bigger meaning than that. Satsuki does not Control those inside, and she has no Authority over them. They are merely affected in this one specific way. Indomitability does not really apply to the garden either I would say. They are not an unconquerable land, they are a land of peace that is in the process of being conquered.

>>4786097
She gets no more time than she would have gotten if we had not accidentaly run into her today. This was not a concern when we were making our plans for today. Why are you worried about it now?
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>>4786108
I gave you the answer right there.
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>>4786093
Are you sure you want Shuten and not Suzuka?
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>>4786098
Does this need a link to QM post or is this fine?
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>>4786093
>>4786024
Support
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>>4786110
>not one that controls you into being peaceful
>They are merely affected in this one specific way.

????

>>4786112
Shuten is a bigger beatstick imo, due to her huge stats and Oni-kind Demon stuff. She also has 2 NPs we don't know.
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>>4786114
There, linked.

>>4786098
>>4786024
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>>4786080
Hand holding with lights on while being naked next to each other.
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>>4786093
Guys, getting into a huge fight in the middle of the city this morning will fuck up our plans for today, end any attempt at a coverup, and possibly our plans to join the Clocktower later on. Even if we win, the cost will be too great.
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>>4786111
You said they where different, not if it made any difference for the question.
I guess the answer is no then.
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>>4786126
The answer is 'Maybe'
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>>4786117
>I command you to stop fighting
>Man, what a peaceful place. I don't want to fight anymore
Here's the difference as I see it.
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>>4786110
>I see it as a calming place, not one that controls you into being peaceful.
I genuinely believe you are trolling me here.
>>4786117
Shuten is more fight to kill type of person with little magic defenses and Suzuka is a big brain JK that can`t be controled by any fate or mind manipulations and effects now.
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>>4786125
Neko-Arc was upset we ignored her. So we were inclined to NOT ignore the next thing that came our way.
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>>4786124
You mean like letting the Morrígan extend her territory unimpeded will? Since her cover is over and she can just go out and let her Sovereignty stuff spill over.
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>>4786093
>>4786024
+1
Better than just running like a bitch and letting the girl plan more.
I really dont want another zouken/orochi shit happening.
>>4786128
Meh, be mysterious then.
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>>4786129
Its the same thing, its mind control so you dont want to even think of attacking.
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>>4786131
The problem imo, is that even if Suzuka is uncontrollable and immune to the fear and madness things of Morrigan, she...can't really do much? Except maybe with Trichiliocosm but even I am not that sure about because of the Sovereignty stuff of this goddess, and not sure she could be deleted.

She doesn't really have the stats and stuff for it, as I see it.
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>>4786133
And yet she hasn't done that yet. Why would she start now after we bail?
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>>4786131
Basically, if mindfuck is a danger due to not being Suzuka tier anti-mindfuck, then Satsuki is already a huge weak point.
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>>4786134
>I really dont want another zouken/orochi shit happening.
Zouken/Orochi happened precisely because we went in half-cocked against an opponent who proved more dangerous than we thought. I see us making the same mistake here.
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>>4786141
>Why wouldn't she continue pretending and not going all out after its obvious it isn't working.
>Why would she change her approach after this one failed

????
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YOU IDIOTS
WE NEED TO RUN
GOD'S WALKTHROUGH SAID TO IGNORE ALL DISTRACTIONS AND GO FOR MANAKA
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>>4786141
Because her cover is blown and she told us whos he is?
She tried to bait us for a easy kill, now that failed she will go things other ways.
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>>4786146
Wasn't that for Orochi tho?
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I swear to God, if we run from this and shit hits the fan later like orochi, i'm going to punch someone.
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>>4786063
Yeah, perfectly countered by QM.

>>4786048
>>4786024
Support this EXCEPT "profusely apologizing". Normal apology is sufficient.
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>>4786145
She had no approach. She wasn't doing anything at all until we got here.

>>4786149
Will she do it right now? I don't think so. There must be a reason she didn't spill over her Authority already, and I don't believe it's just because she was trying to lure us in. She did nothing to lure us in, in fact.

>>4786150
It was, yes. God's walkthrough now says we should find a way to cleans cursemud before confronting Manaka.

>>4786151
And I swear to God, if we go in half-cocked with no plan and little backup and shit hits the fan later like Orochi, I'm going to, well, not punch someone.
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>>4786140
>>4786142
The only real advantage Shuten has over Suzuka as I see it is Shuten`s ability to tank Fragarach in a direct fight. Suzuka has really good speed advantage. And Shuten might job to magic.
I would prefer Concepts but I suppose yours is fine here too.
>>4786024
Supporting >>4786093
Feels a bit stingy spending so many CSs on random encounters. But we still have Nero and Para to regain them.
>>4786150
It was.
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>>4786154
Dude, we cant let this type of people plan, it leads to shit happening.
Why do you want to run so much, fucking hell. Even more because we can CS summon people to us.
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>>4786153
>Yeah, perfectly countered by QM.
Entirely coincidental.
I actually thought you'd ignore the building or send somebody else to investigate considering it was meant to be your day off.
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>>4786160
You really dont know how we think, jesus christ.
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>>4786157
I want to run so much because if we fight in the city during the day, everything is ruined. Everything we planned for today, the supernatural coverup, our goal to enter the Clocktower. There's a reason the Grail War happens at night, and it's because it cannot be covered up during the day.

>>4786160
I am sure we would have done just that if ignoring Neko-Arc hadn't turned out to be a mistake right before. Just like we flexed with the jewelry store after it ended up being a mistake that we hadn't flexed with the candy store.
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>>4786160
Somehow I didn't notice her feet in this pic until just now
What the fuck
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>>4786156
Sadly we don't really have magical energy for the really good concepts, and it may leave Satsuki with a not so great concept, so thats a negative for me.

Shuten also has much higher stats, Natural Monster, Monstrous Strength, Mana Burst at high levels to fuck things in melee.

I also expect that if its possible to job to magic here, Satsuki and Chiyome are already in great danger, so our best is to try overwhelming her with Betty Eyes+Shuten and stall until Medea gets the Anti-God squad here.
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>>4786161
I was thinking you wouldn't want to let Medea and Sakura and everyone else down by immediately magnetizing yourself to DANGER.
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>>4786042

>>4786045

>>4786078
>>4786084
>>4786094

>>4786153


>>4786093
>>4786098
>>4786103
>>4786109
>>4786115
>>4786134
>>4786156


>"Satsuki! Deactivate Salvation Gardens! Now!"
>"Chiyome protect us!
>If we get out of the RM, use Command Seals to summon Betty and Shuten.
>Telepathically communicate warn Shuten and Betty about the situation beforehand
>Also telepathically tell Medea to bring anti-Divines like Alcides and things that would be good against the Morrigan, like Scathach. Tell her our location of course.

This wins.
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>>4786157
Also, what happened with Orochi

>We split up and go after Grandpa without our heavy hitters
>We try to fight him anyway
>Arcueid gets bitten
>Fight turns hopeless, we run

I see us as making the exact same mistake here.
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>>4786163
>because it cannot be covered up during the day.
It shouldn't be able to be covered up during the day if it made sense.
Excalibur is a giant golden sun thats as big as a district of the city, Mudslide already ate a forest, Tesla's metal storm nearly got us in the helicopter in town, Manaka is probably going to do something big too, etc.
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>>4786166
Imagine thinking we would miss a mystery box after disappointing Neco-Arc.
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>>4786163
Why do you care if some randoms die?
And shit like this happens all the time in wars by what we seem.
If they succeed in making the discount Cthulhu be covered up then exploding some buildings is nothing if it comes to it.
>>4786166
hah, you really dont, we are sluts for ADVENTURE!
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>>4786166
I voted for delegating this issue to our servants, majority of anons are drawn to distractions like moths are drawn to flames though.
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>>4786169
And the two people in charge of covering everything up have either died or defected.
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>>4786168
Even if we ran immediately orochi would sitll have been summoned, the error was the choice of combatants not the decision to combat.
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>>4786173
>Why do you care if some randoms die?
It would make him sad.
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I am also not confident that Medea could teleport us away even with a CS, if its from a territory of the Morrígan, as she seems to have fuckoff Territory Skills.
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>>4786165
We can only Wait and Hope now.
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>>4786175
Prison is still full of dead people and statues.
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>>4786169
Why does the war happen during the night?

>>4786173
I don't care if the randos die. I care that the randos dying will be breaking news. How many fights have you seen during the day? How many of those in the middle of the city involving as much firepower as we're currently planning to pull here?

>>4786176
Orochi was summoned, then we saw how dangerous he was, then we chose to fight even without our heavy hitters, then Arcueid got bitten.
We are at the "then we saw how dangerous the fight is" point, and choosing to fight anyway. What comes next?

Anyway, it's done. No reason continuing about this.
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>>4786178
Basically, if its possible for Medea to teleport here its better to surround and kill off the enemy now by TPing our bros here. If its not possible to teleport then its a moot point imo.
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>>4786181
>Why does the war happen during the night?
Because genre conventions and muh urban fantasy.
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>>4786181
>I care that the randos dying will be breaking news.
I also care that the breaking news will have our face plastered. Forgot that part.
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>>4786183
That is not exactly an answer I'd like to bet everything on. Because we ARE betting everything we wanted to do after the war.
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>>4786185
I am 99% sure releasing the Morrígan unfettered inside the city would be catastrophic in and of itself, if we escaped. Her very presence is a portent of doom and war.
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Beaky vs Cu.
Who would you bet on?
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>>4786191
Does Beaky have a heart?
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>>4786192
Not sure. But he tanked Diarmuid better than Cu did however. And we Truth enchanted him afterwards.
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>>4786195
And Beaky probably doesn`t even have concept of heart since he is unearthly creature and his form is just result of World being unable to comprehend creation of Azathoth.
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All Gods are bastards except Eresh
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>>4786099
must save Irish fren
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>>4786189
I believe we wouldn't have released anything and Morrigan would have waited patiently doing whatever it is she would have done if we had never poked her. But as I said, there's no point in continuing this now.
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>>4786209
If we never poked her, maybe. But the moment we tried to interfere with her it was too late.
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>>4786209
Maybe next time you won't ignore obvious plot hooks and let us have our fun instead of
autistically whining and ignoring them, causing anons to frantically bite onto the next one that shows up.
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>>4786219
>Maybe next time you won't ignore obvious plot hooks
you're expecting a lot from anons on /qst/
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>Medea thread on /a/
Which one of you anons did it?

So, how strong do we get with reinforcement from Medea? And how strong would Shuten get?
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>>4786206
Really wanna give her a Rin body, even though we It'd be really hard to explain in to Rin why we wanna shove the goddesses into clones that look like her.
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>>4786219
This
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>>4786230
We should ask her what body she wants.
If she says rin's then we have a pretty good excuse.
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>>4786230
Just ask Rin for a few spare Rins from doomed timelines or who are about to die or something. It's Second True Magic I don't have to explain shit.
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>>4786219
A shame we ignored the tail
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>>4786230
we can just stroke her ego and say that her will is strong enough to resist them and that she has perfect compatibility with them
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>>4786238
Rin is going to pick up our NPC mindset but based on adjacent worlds isnt she? Kinda based.
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>>4786246
I always assumed that's why Zelretch's apprentices ended up breaking, they couldn't handle the infinite timelines and how small they are in the grand scheme of things
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>>4786246
By the end all of our friends will be sociopaths!
Except Shirou I guess.
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>>4786249
Meanwhile, your timeline is effectively the prime timeline of your tree.
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>>4786238
If we pull a Rin corpse and heal it, would it serve as a proper container?
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>>4786254
We need to hang out with Shirou more. Also Alan.
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>>4786254
Shirou kills everyone if he becomes a sociopath so maybe lets not teach him all that
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>>4786254
Shirou is too broken mentally to be a sociopath.
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>>4786257
All our friends and loved ones are automatically their most important versions due to our association with them. Our bro Crawling Chaos can confirm
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>>4786219
Based
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>>4786263
It wouldn't have Rin's soul, but... maybe?
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>>4786238
Take a Rin from the Sword and Magic bad end or when she is about to be vored in Femme Fatale.
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Should I make Alan's carnival moment canon to the main continuity?
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>>4786281
You should make all carnival moments canon to main continuity
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>>4786281
Do it fag.
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>>4786281
seems kind of out of character for Lorelei so I would say no
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>>4786281
Sure. Sounds fun.
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>>4786281
Yes, Lorelei needs to loosen up anyway. Ex-lovers?
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>>4786285
He's got the equivelant of Charisma: EX
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>>4786281
Do it.
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>>4786289
Would Alan fall for glasses-less Ayaka?
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>>4786281
Yes.
I ship it.
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>>4786289
well if you want to then i would say do it
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>>4786291
This picture hurts me everytime I see it.
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>>4786281
Yes
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>>4786291
>no illya route
dammit.
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>>4786291
Also, i find it interesting that even with the amount of shit and fans fate has, nobody really tried making a legit route for other characters, i know there are fanfics for cu, medea, illya, akiha and that fan LN with medea but i mean a fan VN with the route.
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>>4786257
But there's only one tree though? What does "your tree" mean?
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>>4785092
Based Vorechad. Now do Vritra eating Sakura and Shinji at the end of the Carnival after getting them both alone in a room.
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>>4786309
There's multiple trees of time.
Prisma Illya takes place in a different Tree of Time.
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>>4786308
>that fan LN with medea
Excuse me? Sauce?
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>>4786315
Another thing i find retarded that nasu decided to do.
>>4786316
Er, i dont have it right now, some years ago there was a thread on /a/ about a guy that found a japanese LN quite big that had a medea route or something, i will try to see if i can find it.
Anyway, people was trying to find all of it online to maybe think of translating it, but nothing come from that.
Heck, i only remember it because i was in that thread.
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>>4786303
>no illya route
It's the inescapable IRL bad end.
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>>4786321
I remember finding a fan VN about Bazett doing enforcer stuff and I think she fought Ciel? Anyway it's untranslated
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>>4786326
RARE
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>>4786291
The sad thing is that any remake would mean only the tree first routes and maybe not even that.
Nasu seems to be allergic to adding extra shit to a already existing work.
Fucking just add more routes to the original FSN or the SFW version, people would love it.
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>>4786326
Hi Sweets.
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>>4786331
Interesting, if you have any source it would be cool.
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>>4786335
What's that, did you say complete rewrite where the plot is totally changed so it ties in with FGO more?
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>>4786341
its what we would get i suppose.
Wish they did add more routes when they released it on the PSP.
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>>4786326
Start Awakening Redux already.
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>>4786335
It always seemed super fucking weird to me that there were 3 Greek servants in FSN and two of them knew each other in life but there was no real interactions between them, it felt incomplete and that it was meant to be used for something

>>4786339
https://vndb.org/v12243
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>>4786303
Illya's route would be very simple to add.
Curse Nasu with all of your soul.
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>>4786336
Hey there! Hope you're having fun at the Carnival.
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>>4786350
i will never forgive him
>>4786349
thanks.
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>>4786349
Yeah, also the lack of any real interactions between Medusa and Medea despite both of them being tragic Greek figures is odd too.
Not that odd though, because F/SN was more focused on the Masters than the Servants.
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>>4786321
is this it? found it on the Medea thread on /a/
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>>4786355
I think? Its been years so i need to go catch the original thread, people did find a pdf of the first 3 books or something and where trying to contact the author if he had the rest
I may have the pdf in my dying notebook.
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>>4786348
Hey, I'm working on it! Just got over the hump with a big quarterly project at work, so I'm inching closer to having it ready now. Probably should get the first thread up sometime this month. June at the latest.
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>>4786350
Die Lorelei and "you could only save one" implies that Sakura would not only be the big bad of Illya route but we would actually have to kill her to "protect Illya". Dark Sakura would lose all control of herself in the Illya route since Shirou is not there for her. Illya route would truly be the darkest one of the four if there were four routes.
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>>4786351
The Carnival was fun.
I ended up writing a small novella's worth of updates for it.
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>>4786362
In other news, I think I figured out how to get over my lore troubles!
I'll just slap a big old banner on the OP reading
NOTHING IS CANON TO THIS QUEST BUT THE ORIGINAL FATE/STAY NIGHT 2004 RELEASE, LEAVE YOUR EXPECTATIONS AT THE DOOR
...and run with things from there! Sort of like the opposite of your all-nasuverse merge with this story you're running. Think it'll give me some breathing room?
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>>4786358
You are going to start with class select and provide only options you have solid idea where to take to, right?
Is Assassin still going to be Shadow Lite?
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>>4786366
>Only 2004 Fate is canon
Based gacha was a mistake.
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>>4786366
Probably, yeah.
Not including the serious moments of Hollow Ataraxia?
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>>4786281
Do it bro
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>>4786367
Yes and no. I'm reevaluating the Assassin-Rushorou concept right now because I'm concerned that the original design might run into problems similar to the issues with the Saber version's portal blade. The visual design will still share elements with the Heaven's Feel shadow, but it's certainly not going to have anything like Dark Sakura's level of destructive capacity.

>>4786369
I agree completely.

>>4786370
Not even that! No Hollow Ataraxia, no Fate/Extra, no Apocrypha, no Strange Fake, no Fate/Zero, no Case Files of El-Melloi II, no FGO, no Prototype. You can rely only on what was established in the very original basis of the franchise. Everything else, even if it looks like it has something to do with one of the outer texts, is unreliable and unknown!
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>>4786281
I thought it already was.
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>>4786366
I think some of materials will be useful to you if you are still thinking about Part 3 you wanted to make during original run.
>>4786377
Good to hear. Last one question then.
Is Servant vore still going to be on the table as power up option?
I really liked it but it contributed a lot to the problems you had.
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>>4786377
>No Hollow Ataraxia
Really?
It does explain things that the original F/SN didn't have the time to go into, like more on Avenger, but it's up to you.
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>>4786383
I'm guilty of not going through HA at all other than knowing the basics of what happened. Having a 2004 ONLY Fate quest would be refreshing, not including Fate Zero might be kind of a shame to be honest but Nasu himself said that its "not canon" as dumb as that is.
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>>4786355
Hah, found it, it wa son a /v/ thread.
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/475246393/#q475260952

Here is the PDFs of the first three books.
http://kifumido.sakura.ne.jp/kiduki/dojin/EternityLine.pdf
http://kifumido.sakura.ne.jp/kiduki/dojin/EternityLineII.pdf
http://kifumido.sakura.ne.jp/kiduki/dojin/EternityLineIII.pdf
I wish i spoke nip so i could translate this.
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>>4786382
I think the big problem emerged from the ability to copy Personal Skills and Noble Phantasms.
In my opinion, the best way to keep it would be to have it so upon defeating a Servant, the players could choose to put the point into their Parameters, Skills or Noble Phantasms, and have whatever changes be situational to whatever heroic or notable things Rushorou has done.
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>>4786391
Oh damn. Yeah, I wish I could speak moonrunes.
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>>4786393
Probably.
Having pastebin prepared with generic class skills might also help a lot.
And having it as Personal Skill might help avoiding players metagaming into killing Vaisset (I think that was his name).
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What did we buy at the jewelry store?
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>>4786400
I think if Rushorou had a built-in ability to grow stronger as a Skill, people would have seethed less about Wuxiabro having an ability that let him get stronger.
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>>4786402
Everything.
You bought everything.
Including about a hundred engagement rings.
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>>4786382
I do like the World Material a lot, and used it to good effect in writing Akeldama. It's just the external stories of the Fate setting I have a problem with.
As for becoming Servant Megaman, I thought about having this be a surprise, but sure; I might as well tell you folks now, it's out. Well and truly. I don't think there was anything that contributed as much to Alberich's decline as a character and the dropoff in player enjoyment of the quest as the idea that you could indefinitely grow more powerful by killing. That mechanic definitely didn't do what I wanted it to do for the story, so I'm throwing it out; at least in the form it had. Something like it may show up, but as it was, it's done for.

>>4786383
To be honest, I might work Hollow Ataraxia stuff in, but what I'm really trying to accomplish here is putting as much of a wall as possible between metaknowledge and players' choices and expectations in the quest. Rushorou has only had the barest introduction into magus society by the end of Akeldama, and I'd like to put players into his shoes as much as I can.
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>>4786406
>I do like the World Material a lot
Wasn't that the one Nasu decided was non-canon and sacrificed it on the Altar of Gacha?
Or was that another Mat book?
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>>4786405
Lol k
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>>4786409
Why does Seibah's armor look so chunky here?
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>>4786405
>Including about a hundred engagement rings.
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>>4786402
about 20 million USD worth of jewelry
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>>4786411
Dont know, probably is explained in the book.
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>>4786406
Well, if you take advices I think WhatIs got good idea here >>4786403 since you can make it something like Anti-Self EX-rank Noble Phantasm with very clear description about how it operates.
Kind of reflects that Judas wanted too.
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>>4786408
Yes. I think so, and I hate it.
As far as I know, the sections on the two main branches of the true Mages' Association outside of the Clocktower, i.e. Atlas Academy and the Wandering Sea are totally contradicted by the plot of FGO. One more reason to throw that mobile garbage out.

>>4786386
I may as well mention that I really dislike Fate Zero. Strictly speaking it's a better told story than, say, Extra or Apocrypha, but I still wouldn't like to have it anywhere near my quest. I'd like to forget it ever existed, to be honest. It removes a ton of mystique from the backstory of the original VN and doesn't really put anything worthwhile into its place.
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>>4786418
>Atlas Academy and the Wandering Sea are totally contradicted by the plot of FGO.

???
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>>4786422
As far as I understand, not having played the majority of the mobile game, the way it portrays the Wandering Sea and Atlas Academy contradicts the way they're described in World Material.
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>>4786418
>doesn't really put anything worthwhile into its place.
But what about the Kayneth memes?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXUoLil25b8

And yes, the Urobutcher fucked up in a few places.
He couldn't even color within the lines he was given and managed to mess up a few things established in F/SN.
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>>4786428
If its this
http://completematerial.pbworks.com/w/page/32479544/Index
I don't think so?
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>>4786417
Eh... I just don't know about that. I feel like that kind of thing encourages people to, when confronted by a problem they can't overcome head-on, conclude that they need to power up and try again. The fact that thinking that way didn't work in Akeldama was one of the reasons I think people ended up having more fun solving problems in that quest than in Awakening Mirror, and I'd really rather not bake an experience bar into the character as an NP. Rushorou's never going to be an unstoppable god, no matter how many people or Servants you kill.

>>4786429
Even outside of breaking strict canon in a few places, there's this creeping sense that it's not the same world. None of the characters brought over from F/SN really felt in-character to me. I just couldn't get into it. Frankly, it's the same kind of problem I have with Awakening Mirror reading back over it now, and that's another reason why I want to keep as many canon characters out of the quest this time as possible.

>>4786435
That's the one. Like I said, I haven't played the pertinent sections of FGO myself, so if you have and you say it all lines up, I'm not going to debate the point. Maybe I heard wrong.
Either way, the point as regards the Awakening Mirror reboot stands. You can't expect any metaknowledge from any work but Fate/Stay Night to be true going into it.
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>>4786445
Sweets, stop shilling your quest and just fucking run it. It's been almost a month since you started haunting us.
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>>4786445
The only (maybe?) questionable bit, if I read it right, is actually from Adventures of El Melloi.
The Six Sources (six head families) of Atlas are the ones who practice weird body based stuff to help turn their bodies to optimum calculation ability, such as the Eltnam's etherlite and nervous system stuff, not Sea of Estray. Thought Atlas does still specialize in calculation and phenomena transformation in general.

Wandering Sea seems to be desperately trying to preserve Age of Gods stuff by shutting themselves off completely and barely ever opening. This kind of fits with Nero Chaos' stuff I guess.

Just putting it here for completion's sake, since it was brought up.
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>>4786445
>conclude that they need to power up and try again
The biggest problem there as I seen it was power levels being all over the place.
All of Akeldama cast was almost equally matched with each other.
But in Awakening you made Saber with Solid Snake as a Master, unkillable Berserker and seemingly unbeatable Odin. All that lead to those "lets eat city block or two" or "lets organize train crash and eat everyone in it" discussion and appearance of Chad Thunderspear only made it all worse.
If you going to avoid progression growth of powers even within class containers picked you should really make sure more or less around around the same power and can be defeated in any order by players.
I do hope you succeed since it would be nice to see reactions from other QMs with two Fate quest dabbing on the rest of the board even harder.
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>>4786462
Chill out, bud. Sticking my head in to chat three times a month isn't exactly choking your quest with advertising, and I heartily doubt my presence is making your updates take any longer. I'll get the new quest up when it's ready.

>>4786463
Interesting notes. Thanks for the addition.

>>4786495
Well, we'll just have to see about that. Nothing's going to be just the way it was, anyway.
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Dead quest?
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>>4786463
With the addendum that it is possible, but I didn't think of it at the time, that "Sea of Estray" is a subdivision of the "Wandering Sea", and that Estray specializes in body stuff, but not the Wandering Sea in general, which would solve the discrepancy with such a reading.
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>>4786526
Don’t worry, QM is just sleeping....probably.
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>>4786550
WhatIs got isekaied as Shinji again.
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>>4786550
Sorry, was with family.
Back to writing.

> None of the characters brought over from F/SN really felt in-character to me
Fair complaint, Zero did seem to enjoy shitting on Saber a little too much.
Also the Urobutcher considers Rin the 'main' heroine of F/SN and come on.
I like Rin, but she's just sort of the third place to Saber and Sakura in terms of presence in her own route. Rin's route isn't even her Route, it's Archer's route.
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>>4785816
All proper Mesopotamian gods have red eyes and blonde hair, which is why Gil looks like this. Rin!ishtar in Babylon didn't have this as she was a well made pseudo with the host leaking through/nature of her summoning copout explanation.
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>>4786564
>Rin!ishtar in Babylon didn't have this as she was a well made pseudo with the host leaking through/nature of her summoning copout explanation.
This is a dumb excuse and I hate it.
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>>4786562
>Urobutcher considers Rin the 'main' heroine of F/SN
Whaaaaa....
How could you think that? How could anyone?
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>>4786315
Uhhhhhhh where did you get that idea from? The only thing that exists is the "Great Tree Called Time." There are no "Trees of Time" (plural). 90% of the Nasuverse takes place in the "trunk" of that tree (not sure if this applies to Tsukihime where Human Order is weakened, but it definitely does to Prisma Illya). The other 10% is Lostbelts that take place on "branches" of the tree that "grew" too far and need to get pruned. When the concept of trees is mentioned in Prillya, Darius (Ainsworth, not the Berserker) says "it's similar to A TREE" and the page right after (pic related) shows a single starting point. Darius wants to become a different starting point, similar to how Goetia wanted to burn down Human History and start everything "the right way." Goetia (and Darius) didn't burn down a "forest" but rather a "tree" to plant a new one.
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>>4786562
I kinda get it, Rin is almost like the Deuteragonist of the VN, but yeah Fate Zero kinda fails because he's inconsistent with Saber's preestablished character cause he can't be so easily edgy if she wasn't a retard
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>>4786579
Don't they mention something about another tree from the magical girls from Prillya?
Prillya is a very special case even among other Fate spinoffs because it goes balls to the wall and basically calls itself non-canon.
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>>4786579
Worlds in one Tree are localized as Adjacent Worlds and Worlds in different Trees are localized as Parallel Worlds. At least the japanese text makes it obvious, but I'll look for a more certain cite.
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>>4786578
Better than Sakura, not like thats saying much
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>>4786601
At least Sakura has presence in her own route.
Just compare the roles everyone takes in the final conflict of their route.
Saber battles against Gilgamesh while Shirou fights Kotomine in Fate
Sakura is the final villain of Heaven's Feel.
Rin walks across some mud to rescue Shinji while Shirou 1v1s Gilgamesh in Unlimited Blade Works.
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>>4786608
I say Final Villain, I meant to say "Main Villain."
Oops.
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>>4786608
I just now realized, but those things' eyes are the qliphoth, aren't they
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>>4786608
My personal list is Rin>Saber>Sakura, that shit is very personal, to be honest.
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>>4786610
Yes they are!
Well, Dark Sakura was an Evil of Humanity who qualified for being a Beast, so...
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>>4786599
Based on translation people:

Adjacent Realities (並行世界, heikou sekai, "worlds that advance in adjacence") as compared to

Parallel Realities (平行世界, heikou sekai, "worlds that advance in parallel").

The kanji are different. This is from the Heaven's Feel day 16-17.

Prisma Codes event in GO mentions Parallel Worlds as a distinct thing from normal Adjacent Worlds.

"It seems that it would be sound to presume that [you do indeed] come from a Parallel World (平行世界, heikou sekai) distinct from our Earth ..."

"Dr. Roman

There's something else that I'd like to query you about.
It would appear that you hold a fairly accurate apprehension with regard to Parallel Worlds, yes?

Helena

That's a matter of course.
Though my knowledge of Theosophy did likewise come of aid.
This would be as we Magical Girls were — to speak of our origins — beckoned to this place from an assortment of Parallel Worlds.
For we are as Magical Girls for a variety of reasons already become as existences unnecessary within our own Worlds.
We couldn't but come here. We have nowhere else to go.
However, within this World, the matter of the existence of Magical Girls does persist.
This place is [therefore] in a sense our paradise.
As well, it is as our terminus."
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>>4786608
Would you really call Sakura a villain if she was more of a plot device-damsel in distress?
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>>4786601
Not true. This isn't a matter of who's more attractive or anything like that, it's role in the story structure.
In a traditional romance, the main heroine is a highly important supporting character who facilitates and aids the protagonist's character arc while experiencing a relationship with him. This applies to a massively broad swathe of stories structured as romances, from Fate/Stay Night, to Lolita, to Gone With the Wind, although this last has the genders reversed, with a female protagonist and men jostling for the "main heroine" role. A deuteragonist is a completely different type of character, someone who has their own story within the same world as the protagonist's story, and only facilitates the protagonist's story coincidentally, if at all. This is what sort of character Rin is.
Saber, Sakura, and Illya all make better heroines within Shirou's story than Rin. I'd also throw in Medea and Rider as being ineligible for the role in the original Fate/Stay Night, whereas a Taiga route might have been possible, with some serious tweaking. In no universe does it make sense to consider Rin as the main heroine of Fate/Stay Night.
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>>4786608
Rin might have as much a presence in her route but she still had a presence in not only her route but every other route too, Sakura was a minor character until Heaven's Feel
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>>4786608
I sleep on Sakura so HF was the weakest for me even with all the lore being injected. Since this is 100% subjective I imagine, well, I can't really say anything.
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>>4786615
Since Illya route was mixed into Sakura route I feel like Sakura would have been a better villian if it was an Illya route. Giving Sakura a different villain so that she could be full on love interest who slowly develops her abilities to stand along side Shirou to face the big bad would have made her more popular.
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>>4786619
Yeah but having presence in every route doesn't make you the main heroine.
Unlimited Blade Works is Archer's route.
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>>4786615
even in her route she was literally just there to get Shirou to stop with his hero of justice shtick and even that fell flat for me because she was such a non entity until she wasn't. It would be like trying to do the whole Saber Alter thing without all that build up in the first two routes, it wouldn't work and it didn't work for me with Sakura
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>>4786614
Specifically, the Prisma Codes part also states that a Parallel World would not be effected by Goetia's Incineration of GO's Tree.
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>>4786618
And then some time after the end of Fate/Stay Night Rin goes and adopts an entire ship full of orphans and becomes a pirate.
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>>4786599
>>4786614
Isn't it "worlds in the same branch = Adjacent Worlds" and "world in different branches = Parallel Worlds"?
>>4786596
>Prillya is a very special case even among other Fate spinoffs because it goes balls to the wall and basically calls itself non-canon.
True true.
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>>4786633
Pretty sure Strange Fake is also a Parallel world too.
Somehow Ishtar can loot shit from Parallel worlds but Goetia can't touch them.
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>>4786615
>>4786632
I think FSN would have benefited from its own Near Side and Far Side routes like Tsukihime had.
You can make it split early with Shirou bumping into Medea if Saber and Rin routes are cleared.
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>>4786645
Meant for >>4786627 instead if my own post.
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>>4786645
it ALMOST went that route, when Sakura and Illya route would've been released in another disc called Fate/Other Night
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>>4786640
muh higher-dimensional Gods, muh timeless Reverse Side, muh Throne of Gods.

Wasn't also Extra another Tree, because Buddha could've culled the entire Tree by saving all living beings?
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>>4786640
I think SF is actually an Adjacent World. Because Case Files is mainline Tree, and SF is in the same Tree as Case Files.
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>>4786645
Yeah, what a shame.
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>>4786654
Aren't Fantasy Trees said to contain galaxies at one point?
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>>4786659
Ishtar straight up calls FGO a "parallel world that doesn't lead anywhere" iirc.
Something Rin and Ishtar have in common: stealing from parallel versions of themselves
Though they might've meant to use adjacent.
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>>4786663
The LB4 Tree is said to contain a miniature galaxy. It may have something to do with Prelati wanting to reveal the "truth of the world" using Caubac's miniature of the world and Marisbury's plan.

One speculation is that they want to peel off Textures completely, since its sometimes hinted, especially with Gilles and Imaginary Scramble stuff, that the solar system we see and maybe the entire supercluster (as per Greater Trichiliocosm buddhist cosmology) is a Human Order perception.

This does not mean there is no true galaxies and shit beneath them, or that the Texture planets and stars aren't existent (but they are probably not real, but they do exist).

This would mean that revealing the truth of the world would expose humanity to the true world, maybe for the first time ever, as TYPE stuff hints that the universe is nothing like what it looks like to us, but that true other planets certainly do exist.

>>4786667
Probably TLer mistake unless I am wrong, since they sound the same just the kanji differ.
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>>4786040
Anal
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>>4786678
NO CU-KUN, DON'T PENETRATE ME THERE WITH YOUR GAE BOLG YOU'RE TEARING MY BODY APPAAAAAAART!
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>>4786652
>>4786662
I remember scrapped route and ideas for Medea`s route but must have memory holed disc.
They could have went for something like we are doing right now or how we went in Carnival speedrun.
Shirou can either get Saber and have more tigthly knit Saber, Rin and Sakura routes as normal ones.
Or bump into Medea and have Medea, Medusa and Illya routes. You could even switch normal dynamic and make Saber, Rin and Sakura as temporal enemies if you play Medea route.
Sakura and Illya routes being open after clearing first two of each sides. Normal routes have Gil as final boss and Zouken as midboss but Other Night would have Gil as midboss and Zouken as final boss.
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>>4786673
Specifically before I forget to look for it.

1 galaxy = sanzensekai. 1000 of them = sanzendaisekai (galaxy cluster). 1000 sanzendaisekai = sanzendaisensekai (supercluster).

This is what is described as a Trichiliocosm iirc.

"A concept in cosmology of a "third-order" universe containing one thousand second-order clusters, which are made of one thousand first-order clusters, which are in turn made of a thousand worlds each. Billion-fold universe."

This cosmology is surprisingly on point to cosmological predictions regarding numbers of planets and star, as a fun note.
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>>4786686
Fuck, I looked at the Sanskrit word for this.

trisahasramahāsahasralokadhātu
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>>4786681
This is just making me depressed.
Fucking nasu.
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Update coming?
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>>4786681
I believe in the Medea route she turns into loli Medea for some reason and we have to fight Saber and Rin who oppose us for some reason? There was also an ACTUAL Shinji Quest that is suppose to diverge in the Fate route where we agree to ally with Shinji to go against Rin. Could we have seen a Shinji redemption in the route? Rider might have been the love interest in Shinji's route since Nasu don't do gay stuff unless its Lesbian at least to my knowledge.
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>>4786695
>loli Medea
I think it was something something low power mode for a shitty Master if she can't drain people/leylines.
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>>4786695
If Shinji route was a thing he wouldn't have been a rapist, there's no fucking way to square that man, also Shirou would've snapped his neck the moment he found out
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>>4786695
>loli Medea
I would have disliked that.
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>>4786695
>medea lily

disgusting and worthless
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>>4786692
Just imagine how it plays. I ruined my mood with just thinking about it.
Normal routes:
Saber - Shirou goes save-everyone mentality
Rin - Shirou goes save-some-people mentality
Sakura - Shirou goes save-Sakura-and-stop-being-a-retard mentality
Other Night:
Medea - Shirou goes overprotective about Cute Evil Witch
Medusa - Shirou keeps some ideas about helping people in need
Illya - Shirou get serious and decides to help and crush Einzberns together with Illya
In Other Night you would have only meet Saber as Saber Alter since Avalon would have been stolen at some point.
>>4786695
>>4786699
>Shinji redemption in the route
Maybe Wakame Paradise as Mind of Steel for Other Night?
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>>4786708
I want this now. Fucking Nasu.
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>>4786708
FUCK
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>>4786708
What's worse, if you'd said that a few months ago I would have held Hope for an eventual Rerelease.

No Hope left now. Only darkness.
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>>4786310
Wait until the next carnival

Also are we going off the YHVH guide plan now with this vote?
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>>4786744
Either the relaxation was already going off guide, or we are still on track.
The big hurry was for Orochi.
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>>4786744
>YHVH guide plan
The walkthrough almost ended after we killed grandpa. The only thing left in it is "find out a way to purify cursemud before confronting Manaka". We're on our own.
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>>4786749
We may have accidentally done that via Saver Nero, but we should definitely try to figure out how to do it ourself or a technique other Casters can also do.
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>>4786716
>>4786725
>>4786734
Final nail.
In Illya route you would have to fight Medea Alter who would have been twisted into Medea Lily because Zouken, mud and Aphrodite`s curse being part of her legend.
And Shirou would only win because even like that Medea would have outsmarted Zouken and let Shirou kill her finalising his hatred for magi and their greed.
Thats depressing to imagine.
>>4786749
>"find out a way to purify cursemud before confronting Manaka"
Pretty sure that was Nero.
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"Satsuki! Deactivate Salvation Gardens! Now! Chiyome! Protect us from any attacks she might make!" You shout out your orders as the Morrigan's presence begins to corrupt and twist the Reality Marble into her own territory. This isn't the sort of opponent that can be battled within a Reality Marble unless you want her to claim Satsuki's entire 'self' through taking control of the Reality Marble. This battle is not winnable within Satsuki's world, not to mention that the calming effects will work against you too!

Satsuki quickly dismisses the Reality Marble, which seems to shatter and disappear like glass around you, leaving you standing in your original locations in the room. Satsuki is forced to take a knee, panting in exertion as she recovers from the effect of having a piece of her 'self' taken by somebody else. 'Betty! Shuten!' You focus on the telepathic link you share with your Servants through your command spells. 'Both of you, I'm about to bring you to me with command spells, prepare yourselves.'

"Ah, what a disappointment, I was looking forward to turning that place into my own territory." The Morrigan shrugs, a smirk still on her face. "I suppose I'll just have to crush your spirit before I can claim it, vampire." The Morrigan takes a step closer to Satsuki, who struggles to get back on her feet in order to properly face the goddess in Bazett's body.

"You won't be doing anything of the sort!" You confidently declare, your arm raised once again. "Shuten! Betty! To me!" You happily use two more command spells to summon an additional two Servants to you, leaving you with a healthy nine command spells. Honestly, you don't know but what means your command spells replicate themselves through contracting Servants, but you aren't going to complain if it lets you pull stuff like this off.

Immediately, Shuten and Betty appear in the room, standing defensively between you and The Morrigan, both of them are unsure whether or not they should attack yet, as The Morrigan herself is merely standing in the room. 'Medea! If you're paying attention to what's going on right now, I... sort of got into a small amount of trouble here, so if you could work on getting everyone suited to fight against a rogue deity together to teleport to my current location, that would be much appreciated.' You don't wait for Medea's response, and instead focus entirely on the Morrigan, who is shaking her head in disappointment.
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"You know, it's not really very fair to try to win all your battles by simply outnumbering and overpowering your enemies." The Morrigan takes a stern voice. "Honestly, who do you think you are? Cowering behind all those women. Coward." The goddess taunts you, yet you don't rise to her taunt. "Still, you aren't the only one with that sort of power!" The Morrigan raises her own hand. "Come to me, my beloved Sétanta!" A flash of light blinds you, and when it clears, you can see Lancer standing there, an entirely different energy is coming from him, he's... way more powerful than he was before! He's... on a completely different level!

[Status Updated!]

Lancer remains silent as he stares at your group. Morrigan evened the odds in her favor and then some! What the hell is this busted level of strength!? "Now, Sétanta, be a dear and get rid of these insects, would you? Oh, but try to keep the blue-haired ones body at least partially intact. The Lady of Books has need of him." Suddenly, Lancer disappears in a blur of speed, barreling right past Shuten and knocking her through a wall with a movement with his spear so quick that your eyes couldn't even begin to track them!

>Dodge!
>Truth Barrier!
>Try to counter attack!
>Write-in...
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>>4786753
Yeah, I think that too. Either that, or purifying-via-Concept was enough. We should still make sure and/or find an alternative. In any case, walkthrough's pretty much over. It did its job.

>>4786758
>Thats depressing to imagine
It is.
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>>4786763
Truth barrier
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>>4786763
>>Truth Barrier!
unstoppable force vs immovable object
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Is Truth Barrier fast enough or should we try to counter attack because its such a weird move to make it may be unexpected?
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>>4786763
>Truth Barrier!
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>Riastrad
oh god oh fuck
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>>4786763
>>Truth Barrier!
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>>4786776
>Luck: E-
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>Personal Skills:
>Affection of the Three Goddesses: A
A skill showing that one is truly loved by a trio of goddesses, and as a result, all Parameters with the exception of Luck have been raised by one rank, and Agility has been raised by two ranks. Unfortunately, Lancer's already dismal Luck has ranked down and managed to fall into a truly terrible state.
>Luck: E-
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>>4786776
His Luck is pretty abysmal, does Scathach's Gae Bolg also require a Luck check?
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>>4786776
Hello doggo jobber.
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>>4786763

>Truth Barrier!
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>Riastrad

Oh boy, time for Cu to full The Thing mode.
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>>4786782
Scathach's Gae Bolg is the original and spammable, she's also amped up so she'll be a good match against Cu
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>>4786781
So we can expect him to trip over some random rock and die?
We really need to fix that when we fix him.
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>If he were to be summoned in Ireland, he would have had potential access to a castle Noble Phantasm, a rare fortress Noble Phantasm that can only be used in Ireland, a chariot, a Blessing of Wakefulness
Ah, i see
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Riastrad is not great news. Even Cu Alter was like "nah that shit is too much" when speaking of a potential Berserker Cu.

He does have Lakshmibai tier Luck.

Is our Truth Barrier fast enough to come up?
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>>4786806
we aren't fast enough to counter attack or dodge
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>>4786777
>>4786792
>>4786806
>Protection of the Ignorant: A
>A strange skill. Attacks against Foreigner are processed on their complexity rather than the power of the attack. Because of this, basic attacks like punches and kicks are almost completely ineffective against Foreigner regardless of mystery, however, this skill may be overcome by any sufficiently skilled fighting style, and has very little effect against Noble Phantasms due to their complex nature.
Betty`s Foreigner powers should also be really good against Morrigan since Morrigan is an earthly goddess.
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>>4786763
>>Truth Barrier!

>>4786774
I don't think we can possibly counter attack super Cu fast enough.

>>4786806
Maybe. I don't think we can do anything that could be faster though, so it's still our best option.

And can we please maybe think about leaving now instead of escalating right here? Morrigan+Super Cu in the middle of the day is a fight that ends with ten city blocks demolished, a few hundred normies dead, helicopter crews in the air broadcasting live and us Sealing Designated for disregarding secrecy entirely. Not even Waver will be able to help us spin this. I don't think Morrigan will start munching on normies, and if she pursues we'll be able to fight at a more secluded location and with some more time to prepare and gather allies.
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>>4786808
True.

>>4786763
>Truth Barrier!

Hopefully Gravity Eyes and Aroma can slow this guy down in a bit.
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>>4786763
>>Truth Barrier!
>contact medea and tell her to rush Scathach here as fast as possible because the dog she trained is here
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>>4786806
Riastrad will turn him rabid and rampage if he uses it to the point where even Morrigan likely can't control him, his weakness is a pretty girl flashing him so... we're gonna need to nab Ayaka and have her take off her glasses again if it comes down to it
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>>4786813
gas leak
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>>4786808
the best reasoning against dodging imo, this guy is super fast, but he's not tremendously powerful, especially against a barrier that's functionally a "no entry" wall in concept itself
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>>4786820
>Medusa's sisters hard counter
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>>4786813
If you think they can't cover this up, then they definitely won't be able to cover up our assault on Manaka or when she releases more Alters or when we go dunk on Tesla.

They can either cover this up, or it doesn't matter anyway.
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Who the fuck is the lady of books
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>>4786830
Also, who's covering shit up anyway, if Kirei and Zolgen are dead and Ciel is with us?
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>>4786837
Didn't QM hint that Merem Solomon was here?
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>>4786830
The Mage's association and Clocktower will certainly be able to spin this to the normies, yes. But we do we spin this to them? They will still won't allow the guy in the middle of this to get away scot-free. Every breach so far can be spinned as "not our fault". But I don't see how we can do this one.

>>4786836
Manaka, I assume. She wants us alive. It was in Shuten's contract. I don't why she's the Lady of Books.

>>4786837
Good question.
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>>4786837
Who indeed?
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>>4786836
Manaka. She reads dumb books about Arthur.
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>>4786843
Damn, I'm liking Nyarly more and more. God, you'd better do something about this.
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>>4786843
Based.
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>>4786856
Based on what?
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>>4786857
Your mom
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>>4786842
I was always very sceptical of going to the Clock Tower with our own name and face instead of disguising ourself as someone else, as I was always of the opinion that the clashes will only escalate.

At worst we'll ask Alan or Zelretch and Aoko to help a bro out.

I wonder if Zelretch will want to teach Rin even more due to her accomplishments.

What you should worry about instead is how we're convincing all the conquerors and kings to wait with their conquests and ruling things.
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Gonna be funny when Sakura scolds us over this
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>>4786861
Steve Jobs died of sugma.
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>>4786865
Sugin your dick
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>>4786763
>Truth Barrier!
>contact medea and tell her to rush Scathach here as fast as possible because the dog she trained is here
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>>4786763
Calling in 30
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>>4786869
Sugma balls
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>>4786763
Switch>>4786813 to support >>4786817
Better than just Truth Barrier, Scathach can hold Cu off without demolishing everything around.

>>4786862
>I was always very sceptical of going to the Clock Tower with our own name and face
This is completely our fault, it could have been completely avoidable, and I think it still is. You may have given up on secrecy and getting our Lord to pin the blame on someone else, but I haven't yet.

>What you should worry about instead is how we're convincing all the conquerors and kings to wait with their conquests and ruling things.
>Hello Kings and Conquerors that I saved from certain doom in the middle of saving the world twice. Please trust me when I tell you we need a few years to prepare taking over the world. Surely you aren't THAT impatient, are you?

>>4786864
People have been saying we need a harem wrangler, but the only one who really needs a wrangler is us.
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>>4786763
>Truth Barrier!

Agility: A++
Hopefully Betty spheres him.
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>>4786763

Switching >>4786778
to
>>4786817
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>>4786882
>Agility: A++
BASE Agility: A++.
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>>4786879
>This is completely our fault, it could have been completely avoidable
I guess we also asked Gorgon Medusa to stone people, or for Tesla to metal storm our helicopter during the day, making it so we have to escape via obvious magic?
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>>4786763
Switching from
>>4786814
To
>>4786817
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>>4786887
Gas leak.
Petrifying Gas.
Very Dangerous.
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>>4786763
>>4786817
Support.
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>>4786887
What are you on about, anon?
>I guess we also asked Gorgon Medusa to stone people
No? Manaka's fault, not ours. Situation resolved. Everything's fine.
>Tesla to metal storm our helicopter during the day, making it so we have to escape via obvious magic?
Also Manaka's fault. It was during the night. And Tesla did not pursue even after he engaged us. Running away then instead of standing and fighting him was the correct choice.
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>>4786886
That's not with Three Goddesses skill? Is his agility passively A++++? What does that even mean?
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>>4786886
Shuten also gets Agi from Mana Burst, right?

>>4786887
Basically, I feel like we have to carry out the war to the best of our abilities, and that if we attack people at night that still wouldn't keep secrecy up.

Our opponents are very good at escalating and we already did a lot of shit and have it happen around.

Shitton of people turned into Oni, a lot got stoned, the metal storm, the forest got mudded, etc.

>>4786892
The question is not ever whose fault is it. It is "was secrecy endangered and you didn't manage to contain it". There is no functional difference between Manaka and other's secrecy endangering and ours.

Especially as a member of one of the three Founding families of the Grail War.
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>>4786890
tell them it's chlorination gas.
something something inter-country pipeline carried minerals through the system, and it exploded and covered people in solid stone
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>>4786886
>>4786896
...but that means his luck is E-- heh.
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>>4786896
It means blue man is now blue hedgehog
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>>4786896
That is with Three Goddesses yes.
But is that all he has?
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>>4786897
>and that if we attack people at night that still wouldn't keep secrecy up.
And yet it does. It always does. They were able to cover up Cthulhu at the docks, and no one got up on Saber's ass for firing off Excalibur at it. You may find it unbelievable, you may not think that the time matters, but it doesn't matter what you think. What matters is that fights always happen during the night, they always get covered up, and NO ONE even thinks of fighting during the day in the middle of the city.

>The question is not ever whose fault is it. It is "was secrecy endangered and you didn't manage to contain it". There is no functional difference between Manaka and other's secrecy endangering and ours.
It very much is. When secrecy breaks and it's your fault, you get Enforcers sent after you. But not when secrecy breaks and you help contain it, even if you don't succeed entirely. What we absolutely need to happen is BOTH A) It's not our fault and B) We are not impressive enough to be Sealing Designated. Having this fight in the middle of the day fails at both.

And I also see a high chance that Morrigan won't pursue, just like Tesla didn't pursue yesterday.
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>>4786905
So how much agility did you stack on him?
Nice, this is going to be fun.
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A bit of a change of topic here, but how many of you actually do want to shift the Current Era to one revolving around something else?
Age of Truth, Age of Humanity, or Age of Gods?
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>>4786917
I want it to become the

Age of Strife
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>>4786917
Age of Possibility
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>>4786917
Age of reason
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>>4786917
>Age of Truth
Yes
>Age of Humanity
Isn't it already?
>Age of Gods?
Fuck the gods, Alcides was right.
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>>4786919
Sounds like something your son with Alaya will have to deal with.
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>>4786917
I am very much up for changing it either for something new or a combo of AoG-AoG. Probably by our personified Alaya overseeing it, as she's basically a God right now?
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>>4786917
The most impossible one of all

Age of WhatIs Going To Bed At A Reasonable Hour and Getting A Good Night's Sleep
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>>4786912
Oh no! They're gonna send enforcers after us!
I mean, we are literally fighting Beast level enemies that plan to gain omnipotence, but the enforcers are too much for us!
I'd love to see them try.
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>>4786929
>combo of AoG-AoG
Super Age of Gods
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>>4786929
Overseeing it so people don't end up destroying everything or each other, as we don't really have multiple timelines to work with here.
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>>4786928
So it shall
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>>4786935
Oops. But yeah, Age of Gods had cool shit, if its possibly both have that AND humanity as cool, that would be great.
Otherwise what would the Age of Truth be?
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>>4786933
The Enforcer you're fighting right now is pretty strong though.
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>>4786933
Yes anon. That's exactly the problem. You figured out what I object to. I'm scared of the Enforcers.

I want you to go up this thread, reread the Carnival about us studying in the Clocktower, and tell me that you'd rather slaughter Enforces by the truckload and purge the Clocktower by force instead of even trying to work towards us being taught by Mrs Colchis.

>>4786938
I envision it as Age of Gods without the Gods in charge, and with Heroic Spirits guiding humanity towards a brighter and very much not stagnant future.
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>>4786938
I'd suggested Possibility earlier, because it can mean all things are able to happen and be accomplishable, but also means that it's the Truth that you can do all of these things
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>>4786938
>Otherwise what would the Age of Truth be?
That would kind of be up to you.
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>>4786879
>but the only one who really needs a wrangler is us.
Yeah thats what a girlfriend is supposed to do

>>4786917
Age of Will

>>4786941
Oh yeah we probably should use a Noble Phantasm on her as she will just counter it
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>>4786944
So, a Perfect world of our own creation huh
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>>4786944
I don't know how viable it would be, but it would be cool to somehow integrate magic into the Human Order as a thing, or at least psychics as they are something purely human anyway.

Supposedly humans could do calculation so good only psychic precognitive can do anything comparable now, no Unified Language, etc.
Relying on Ether would probably be bad as that is a Planet thing, but I seem to remember Spiritrons are kind of a universal thing?

Time to make Academy City after we hash it out with Alaya.
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>>4786959
Considering how bad Academy City is for every resident there, and especially the student body, that doesn't seem like a good goal
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>>4786969
Well okay, the ideal of Academy City, not what actual was made.
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>>4786971
I feel like this upside down bastard is the one reason that FGO has yet to make an Aleister Crowley servant.
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Also what won?
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>>4786986
I think Empire of Dirt had the main villain be Crowley
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>>4786990
I believe this won >>4786817
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>>4786990

>Barrier
>>4786772
>>4786773
>>4786775
>>4786789
>>4786882

>Barrier + Tell Medea to send us Scathach
>>4786817
>>4786870
>>4786879
>>4786885
>>4786888
>>4786891

Scathach wins by a single vote, unless I'm miscounting something.
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>>4787013
US on the ground and our harem saying think Mark what the fuck did you think was gonna happen
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>>4787013
>>4787016
This with Monica.
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>>4787013
Us and Shirou considering kept killing himself like a retard and we kept getting mad at him, except when he used Slash Emperor which was kino
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>>4787013
Shinji and Merlin.
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>>4787013
Sakura and Medea
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>>4787039
But who's berating whom?
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>>4787045
Yes.
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>>4787045
Yes
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>>4787045
Yes
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>>4787013
Shinji and Merlin
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>>4786613
Wromg, there's two spheres missing. You gotta think before you headcanon m8
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>>4787045
yes
also make merlin as smug as possible but also in pain.
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>>4787078
Oh, for some reason I brain melted.
Just a coincidence then.
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Yeah, after some thinking about those stats, skills and unknown NPs, I think it's time for a tactical retreat.
This looks like the level of bullshit for which we will need at the very least Medusa in her Gorgon form.
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>>4787078
Actually, it is also correct to render those spheres as empty space.
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>>4787099
so we wasted two command seals for no reason
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>>4787156
What is Sunk Cost
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>>4787156
Yeah fuck you, we've wasted like 30 CS by not using them.
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There's no time to do anything other than...! As quickly as you possibly can, before the deadly spear being wielded by the Lancer in blue pierces you, you thrust out a hand and attempt to envision a shield of truth to block the charge in time!

CLANG

CRASH

The force of the spear impacting the unbreakable shield creates a shockwave that causes the entire building to tremble and knocks you backwards against a wall, you don't smash through the brick wall, but you do impact it pretty hard. You didn't have the time to make it so the shield would block physical force being carried through the strike. "Not bad, kid. I was sure that was going to kill you." Lancer shrugs, no friendliness in his voice, just a clear longing for battle. "You know, if you were properly trained, with reflexes like that, you might have really been something." Lancer takes it on himself to insult your combat skills. Properly trained? Screw you! No amount of training can prepare somebody for that ludicrous amount of power being thrown their way! You reinforce your body to your normal limit, while Lancer is still massively faster than you, it is no longer to an unbeatable level.

"How dare you harm my lord!" Chiyome suddenly springs from the shadows, somehow she managed to find the opportunity to hide in the commotion, and Lancer is nearly wounded by her assault, had he not stepped aside at the last minute and elbowed the Assassin hard in the stomach as a counter-attack, causing her to lose her grip on her tantō.

"Stick to assassinations, you're not cut out for the battlefield, Assassin." Lancer looks down on Chiyome with a frown on his face.

'Medea! And Scáthach! Send Scáthach too!' You can do little but watch and shout out a mental command to the Caster who you can only hope is in the process of following your commands and that back-up will be on the way soon enough. Already, in just a single exchange, Shuten has been blown away and Chiyome is at Lancer's mercy.

"Sorry about this, but... I gotta do what the woman wants." Lancer is still frowning as he readies his spear to impale Chiyome, but suddenly he stumbles. "W-what?! This... is...!" Space distorts around Lancer, and his skin begins to tear, his body threatening to collapse in on itself! Chiyome uses this as an opportunity to scamper back onto her feet and get away from Lancer. "Y-you!" He suddenly spots the source of the gravitational singularity attempting to compress him down into a ball, and traces a rune in the air with a trail of magical energy, from the rune a great torrent of flame is unleashed towards Betty, eye-contact with Lancer is lost, and the girl is forced to jump out of the way of the supernatural flames, which burn through the building nearly immediately. The place isn't even ignited by the flame, any surface the napalm-like substances touches is immediately flash vaporized. There's a huge hole in the floor now, and you're down one Servant.
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>>4787156
Command Seals are there to be used
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"Come on, Shinji-kun! You need to get up!" Suddenly you feel Satsuki's soft hand pulling you away from the dented wall you were resting on, you're pretty sure your legs were fractured from the impact, but they've... probably healed now? Lancer isn't pressing his assault though, despite his clear superiority. He's observing carefully.

"Eugh, you didn't even manage to kill one of them?" The Morrígan sounds disappointed in the Lancer, who was moments away from slaughtering Chiyome, had it not been for Betty's timely interference. "We're leaving. The Lady wants us to return to her, their reinforcements will arrive shortly, and I don't want you losing yourself to slay them for Us." A black portal opens up behind the Morrígan and she steps through it, and despite looking at you and then at his spear, Lancer follows. His decision on whether or not to slay you apparently having been made.

>Take off your bracelet and race through the portal after them.
>Just let them go and wait for your allies to arrive.
>Go make sure that Shuten is alright.
>Write-in...
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>>4787179
>>Go make sure that Shuten is alright.
well, could've been better
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>>4787156
And the reason was so battle-hungry anons wouldn't feel bad for retreating (actual arguments ITT).
Now, if you have a reasonable plan to win this fight without killing Bazett and Cu or getting skewered within 0.01s, I might support it.(supposing based Nyarly covers for us so we can demolish a few city blocks in broad daylight)
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>>4787179
>make a barrier around the portal
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>>4787179
>>Go make sure that Shuten is alright.
>>Write-in...
Make sure that Sacchin and Betty are alright too.
"Some date this turned out to be, eh?"

>>4787189
Honestly, we need to come back with Scathach and Aife, when we're better prepared.
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>>4787177
It was used badly then.

Also God damn that God has no right considering Shinji is just human. It wants him to go full Shirou and fight servants.

Also Madea and Sakura are going to be soon pissed and we got nothing out of this. Find a way to keep them here.
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You still want to keep on with your uh... day's plan after this is resolved, right?
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We should probably go to Satsuki's RB and use a concept to fix the damage. Make it more resilient as well.
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>>4787179
>Go make sure that Shuten is alright.
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>>4787203
Of course
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Why didn't you vote to check up on Illya first off anyway?
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>>4787213
Simple she's a loli that needs growing before she gets proper attention.

Before we continue the day we should check on Satsuki's Marble. It takes ten seconds.
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>>4787203
sure

>>4787213
idk ask Sakurautist, he came up with the plan
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>>4787213
Because people are dumb.
And i was not here to vote for it.
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>>4787213
I didnt vote for this plan so. . .dunno.
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>>4787213
I dont really care about her
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>>4787219
>Simple she's a loli that needs growing before she gets proper attention.
So... you chose to go on dates rather than ask her how she was doing?
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>>4787213
Because Sakurautist prioritized dealing with harem.
>>4787195
At least we got some info for the Nigger to autism about.
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>>4787213
Because you mentioned that it will take some time to extract the pieces of her memory/personality from bottle!Ishtar? And that she's currently indisposed/out cold.
You included that in a fucking update two threads ago, in an interlude iirc, I hope you remember. So to answer your question:
>Because of (You)
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>>4787226
Rude.
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>>4787232
Yes
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>>4787179
>Go make sure that Shuten is alright.
>Betty, Chiyome and Satsuki too
>Apologize to Satsuki for ruining the date. Apologize to your Servants for getting them hurt like this.

Alright folks. This could have gone much, much, MUCH worse. We've lost three command seals and a bit of our pride, but that's nothing important. Let's start apologizing, get back on track for our day of relaxation, and for god's sake remember that lesson and stop being overconfident.

>>4787196
>It was used badly then.
Yes, yes it was. Our mistakes have costs. This one was a very light one. We still have nine command seals left.

>We should probably go to Satsuki's RB and use a concept to fix the damage. Make it more resilient as well.
Agreed. First thing to do when we get back home.

>>4787213
I honestly don't remember why. I guess >>4787230 is right.
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>>4787231
Yeah but prioritizing dates over checking on her is still... eh.
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>>4787228
I'd like to check on other people too but it was declared to be too much work for the mentally unstable Shinji.
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>>4787235
Yeah, it was a bad call. No arguments there. We should have talked to her first.
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>>4787235
can we just vote to go check on her then instead of dealing with her? I never really liked the order of how we would spend the day anyway
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>>4787237
says the guy who made the list
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I second >>4787238. An overnight vote for the order of the other things we plan to do is a good idea.
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>>4787235
She's unconscious and retard anons decided to give Ishtar to Gilgamesh. I'm an Illyafag and I knew that trying to convince the anons to delay the Shinjibowl to let Ishtar out to fix Illya was a fool's errand. So until the touch-starved horny waifufag coomers are satisfied with their 10 girl (and one wolfboi) harem, it's not happening unless you yourself force the issue.
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>>4787239
I am not too proud to admit I have made mistakes, anon.
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>>4787238
If you want to amend your plan for the rest of the day, I suppose I could make it a vote.
Plotting out 10 things to do is a little much.
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>>4787179
Take off your bracelet and race through the portal after them.
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>>4787250
>amend your plan
Just the order of things, right?
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Did we ever get the new date carnival?
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>>4787253
Yeah, somebody post the current plan and you'll be allowed to uh... reshuffle them.
I would but I'm just about to go to sleep.
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>1.Confess to Sakura and Medea. Take them both on a date. Sightseeing around the city, end up somewhere where you can eat something sweet.
>2.Actually talk to Satsuki. You've barely held a conversation since she became a vampire. Hint about nonexclusivity.
>3.Talk to Tamamo about the fox pup. Hint about nonexclusivity.
We really should start working at resolving the harem before it goes nuclear. Those are the most critical, I think. We won't find a better opportunity than today.

>4.Go ask Illya if she's feeling alright.
>Make sure Kiritsugu gets put back in his actual body.
I'm counting these as a single activity. The conversation with Illya shouldn't last more than 5 minutes. But we gotta do these for Illya. And Shirou. Also, tell Kiritsugu that we didn't do it for him, we did it for his children. They don't need the Magus Killer, they need their father. He'd better shape up.

>5.Group activity (With who and what do you want to do?)
Hang out with Shirou, Shiki and SHIKI.
We've never gotten a chance to hang out with the bros.

>6.Take the kids out to play in a park.
>7.Take the kids to watch a movie.
Fun with the kids. Movie should blow Abby's mind. Something age appropriate

>8.Go watch a movie with everyone.
Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Too funny to pass up.

>9.Go shopping for clothes for everyone.
Nobu needs clothes. So does most everyone else.

>10.Find out where Merlin and Olga Marie went.
We should check up on the futamancer and our future daughter. This might take a while, so I'm counting it full.

Extra
>Call Waver. Tell him we have his dude and we'll give him back tomorrow. Tell him Gray is alive and we'll get her back.
It's just a phone call. How much time will it cost?
>Ask Paracelcus if he'd be willing to teach Rin. Also ask him if he'd be willing to teach you how to teach after the War
This really shouldn't take more than 5 minutes. Both him and Rin will be overjoyed.
>Check on Vritra, make sure she's not causing any trouble.
Let's make sure she doesn't eat anyone. But this really shouldn't take more than 5 minutes either

Here's the list
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>>4787254
You did.
All 11 Carnival Stories are up top.
Badump is the last one.
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>>4787258
>1. Illya and Kiritsugu
This should've been first but oh well
>2. Extra.
While we're at home and when Illya and Shirou are likely having a heart to heart with Kerry, may as well get these off the list, should also tell Rin and Para they can take some of the 2 billion yen worth of jewelry we got
>4. Merlin and Olga
If we're at home, may as well
>5. Take the kids out to play in a park
>6. Take the kids to watch a movie
>7. movie
>8. shopping
>9. group hangout
This absolutely should be last, Shirou would want to spend time with his newly resurrected father
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>>4787260
That was the last update for tonight? We're voting on the order of everything left including the extras, right? And can we add "Check up on Satsuki's Reality Marble" as a task, or will it be better as an added write-in when we get back home?
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After we go see Ilya, can we deal with the whole Ishtar/Ereskigal situation if we have time? I wanna ask her if she's ok with the Ishtar servant plan, and help get Eresh out of the bottle.
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>>4787267
You can add tasks so long as they aren't long activities.
Also put the extras in order so they aren't just listed as EXTRA.
Yeah that was the last update.
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>>4787271
I assume those will either be part of the "ask Illya if she's alright" conversation, or something to be done later. We can't ask Shishou to make puppets before saving the world anyway.
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>>4787213
We barely have enough time for what we choose anyways!

We can't just dilate time everywhere so we have all the time in the world, and we can't control all the big fights so they don't just come knocking at our door, and we have lots of obligations right now!
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>>4787294
It's a good thing you can give her her father back and you have the excuse that you were busy fighting a Goddess and her pet dog.
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So is Kiritsugu gonna be friends with Tamamo now?
Since she gave him a somewhat mobile body, even if only a teddy bear? That'd be fun.
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>>4787258
>1. Check up on Satsuki's Reality Marble.
This is important. We have to make sure nothing permanently bad happened to her, or try to fix it otherwise.
>2. Illya and Kiritsugu
This really should have been first. My bad. I'm sorry I've let you down, anons.
>3. Call Waver. Tell him we have his dude and we'll give him back tomorrow. Tell him Gray is alive and we'll get her back.
He must be worried sick about Gray. He'll be happy we got his dude. This should also have been done earlier.
>4. Find out where Merlin and Olga Marie went.
Might as well do it before we start going out again.
>5. Check on Vritra, make sure she's not causing any trouble.
Ditto.
>6. Talk to Tamamo about the fox pup. Hint about nonexclusivity.
Last stressful activity for today. The longer we wait, the worse it'll get. Let's get this over with.
>7.Take the kids out to play in a park.
>8.Take the kids to watch a movie.
Fun, relaxing times with the kids. We'll need it.
>9. Go shopping for clothes for everyone.
Not time critical, but clothes shopping at night is odd. We shouldn't leave it for last.
>10. Thank Arcueid for destroying Chaldea in this timeline.
That was also part of the plan. We'll probably get the chance to do it when clothes shopping or right after. It's not important to do it fast.
>11. Ask Paracelcus if he'd be willing to teach Rin. Also ask him if he'd be willing to teach you how to teach after the War
Also a good chance to do it during shopping or right after. Also not important to do it fast.
>12. Go watch a movie with everyone.
Shouldn't be done earlier, can't be done later. We'll have already gathered everyone for clothes shopping, it's a natural continuation.
>13. Hang out with Shirou, Shiki and SHIKI.
I agree this should be the last thing for today.
>14. Talk to Shirou about Taiga. It shouldn't take more than 5 minutes. Can even be done while we're hanging out.
This was also part of the plan.
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>>4787300
sounds like it's more than just 1 goddess desu
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You know, i really want to taunt Cu telling him that his master is coming, but oh well.
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>>4787301
>So is Kiritsugu gonna be friends with Tamamo now?
Depends on how exactly she treated him, but I would assume yes.

And I'm looking forward to giving Illya and Shirou their family back.
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>>4787300
I'm gonna vote for us to hug her really hard and nobody is going to stop me.
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>>4787309
I'll support you anon, and maybe even start raging at anybody who tries to stop you.
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>>4787179
>>4787234
Support
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>>4787309
She almost got bodyjacked. It's completely justified.
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>>4787309
I would also support truthbombing her. She is one of the few people who deserve to know. We also promised not to lie to her again, and while this is not lying, we've been hiding the Truth from her.

Not Kerry though. Kerry doesn't deserve shit.
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>>4787304
I don't think this is a vote but if it is I support this.
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>>4787325
WhatIs didn't make an official prompt for that vote, would have linked to that otherwise. I intended it to be a vote.
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>>4787329
>>4787325
It was a vote, yes.

Also, you might want to start discussing concepts for Satsuki's marble if you're looking into it first.
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>>4787332
Satsuki's Marble, or Satsuki herself?

I assume you'll remain evasive.
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>>4787337
Didn't Whatis say they were the same?
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>>4787337
You know what?
We'll make it a sub-vote.

Do you want to apply a concept to Satsuki, Satsuki's marble, or neither?
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>>4787344
He was evasive

>>4786105
>>4786108
>>4786111
>>4786126
>>4786128

>>4787346
You implied we wouldn't really have a choice, and we just weren't sure how it really worked.
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>>4787346
>Satsuki's Marble
Let's leave both Sakura and Satsuki themselves with an empty Concept slot, just to be safe.

And I'm still shilling my concept of Resolute.
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>>4787179
>>4787234
Support
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>>4787179
>>4787234
Support
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>>4787304
Support. Did I do this right?
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>>4787346
Neither.

>>4787304
>>4787256
+1 shuffle

>>4787234
>>4787179
+1 this

and final vote for
>QM goes to sleep
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>>4787346
You know what, unless you 100% confirm that we can give separate concepts to Satsuki and her RM, I'm going to go for neither. Satsuki's potential is limitless and she's perfect exactly the way she is right now. I don't want to even risk giving her a concept by accident.

>>4787370
You did, anon.
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>>4787346
I don't know wether to apply a concept to Satsuki or her RM but I think we should go with Boundlessness it goes with her unlimited growth.
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>>4787384
>unless you 100% confirm that we can give separate concepts to Satsuki and her RM
It'll lead to so hilariously broken consequences, but you know what?
Sure, why not.
Both Satsuki and Salvation Gardens can have a concept, I'm feeling generous.
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>>4787398
Bro, sleep, you need it
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>>4787398
nice
Anyway, any more updates today or not?
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>>4787398
Good writefag. In that case, I will suggest Serenity for Salvation Gardens. I think it is the best Concept to describe what the RM does, and will supercharge its effect without changing it at all.

Nothing for Satsuki, because she's perfect exactly the way she is right now.
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>>4787402
>>4787274
>Yeah that was the last update.
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>>4787404
I didnt read all posts, sorry
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>>4787403
so, the satsuki concept for satsuki and serenity for her RM, seems fine.
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>>4787403
>Serenity
This... does nothing against people with the mental fortitude to resist its effect and who can change its landscape. The gardens already ARE serene, you're supercharging thembwhile ignoring their glaring weakness, while giving them a new effect would give us more strategy options. For example:
>Revitalization: the RM gains a powerful healing effect, reversing both wounds and mental fatigue, also giving Satsuki herself a passive healing ability
>Regrowth: The Gardens heal themselves, preventing them from being taken over and shattered. Possible Nature powers for Satsuki
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>>4787428
>The gardens already ARE serene, you're supercharging thembwhile ignoring their glaring weakness, while giving them a new effect would give us more strategy options
Yes, that's exactly what I'm aiming for. I don't give a damn about expanding our strategy options. I want the most compatible concept. This is the approach that works best, not powergaming.

And we should also ask Satsuki, but that probably goes without saying.
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I am still thinking Control/Indomitability/Authority is much better for Salvation Gardens. Unless they need something specific to fix them because of Morrígan`s actions.
>>4787179
>Go make sure that Shuten is alright.
>Betty, Chiyome and Satsuki too
>Apologize to Satsuki for ruining the date. Apologize to your Servants for getting them hurt like this.
Total humiliation.
For us and three Servants.
>>4787304
I feel like not including Nero and Scáthach is a mistake.
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>>4787756
Oh, and I suppose for Satsuki too. And partially for Arcueid as well.

Reaction from everyone is going to be something else. This is nothing like they got used too.
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>>4786905
Achilles still faster gg
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>>4787756
>I feel like not including Nero and Scáthach is a mistake.
Had that discussion when we were voting with the plan. We got it from ten to fifteen things done in the day, I didn't want to impose on WhatIs's generosity and those two seemed the least important to me.

>>4787765
>This is nothing like they got used too.
It will certainly not help convince them we're ok.
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>>4787774
Cool guy. I hope we see him some day.
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>>4787774
Do you have any ideas for concepts here? We have about same amout of time we needed for Asha.
>>4787779
I voted for your plan too so I am also to blame.
But if we are doing a partial reshuffle might as well switch some activities if WhatIs is cool with it.
>It will certainly not help convince them we're ok.
I hope. And I also hope that WhatIs will have right mood to write big segment where everyone properly voice concerns and worries about it.
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>>4787788
>But if we are doing a partial reshuffle might as well switch some activities if WhatIs is cool with it.
I still believe Nero and Scathach are the least important and I wouldn't want to drop anything to talk to them

>I hope. And I also hope that WhatIs will have right mood to write big segment where everyone properly voice concerns and worries about it.
Me too. It would genuinely make my day. We missed out on the "everyone worries about us" interlude, but this will be even better.
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>>4787788
My internet is fucked, will try fixing it but phoneposting and phone research is cringe.

Cu has some very important exploitable geases. I would suggest having a female present calling out to him and demanding a date with her preparing him food, him alone, at time and place of our choosing. He can't decline.

Have him meet the girl who asked and poopchute when we're ready to engage. Probably want this sorted pre Manaka.

Maybe mention how him being the dog of a woman would make Medbee so happy to see and that you're surprised he'd simp to Morrigan of all people?

Riastrad cam be turned off by having a pretty girl flash him her breasts, and then dunk him in water so the heat disappates. Maybe the docks are a good spot for this?
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>>4787794
I would drop
>13. Hang out with Shirou, Shiki and SHIKI.
And put them into broad category of
>5. Check on your new allies, make sure they are not causing any trouble.
Nothing against "hanging with bros" event but it is even weirder to ignore new allies.
Frankly we could spend rest of the day prepping but it would be really unfun. Even if it would make sense after current situation.
>but this will be even better.
They probably feel even shittier than us.
>Shuten
Super strong oni got her crown moment with strong opponent. Jobbed to one strike.
>Chiyome
Ninja honour is totally shattered.
>Betty
Finally wanted to be useful after getting all her memories and having slept through Orochi. And got this.
>Satsuki
Limitless potential and training from True Ancestor for nothing.

Bad matchups all around but only we really think in terms of matchups here.
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>>4787831
>Probably want this sorted pre Manaka.
Morrigan bailed. I'm not sure we'll be able to find her again. We're not even sure she's in the city anymore.

Exploiting Cu's geases is a good idea.

>>4787834
>I would drop hanging out with the bros
Nope. I definitely fon't want us to drop this. We've consistently been neglecting our old friends and allies in favor of the new hotness. Why do you think Nero and Scathach are more important than our bros?

>They probably feel even shittier than us.
Yeah. Cu and Morrigan dabbed on them all with almost no effort. They'll be feeling guilty, even if it's our fault.
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So, for that fight. Morrigan knew she would die, or Cu or Shinji would. That's why she left. You can probably assume her Clairvoyance acts like Shinigami eyes considering her whole

>foretelling doom, death or victory in battle

Shtick. We know she loves Cu, yandere. We know she loves herself, and we know she has orders not to kill Shinji from Manaka, she even confirmed as much.
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>>4787851
>their reinforcements will arrive shortly, and I don't want you losing yourself to slay them for Us.

She was worried about Cu. I assume Scathach would have killed him if this went on. Probably after Cu killed Chiyome and maybe Betty.

Clairvoyance is a nice catch. We can work around it next time.
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>Wail of Badb: A+ (EX)
????????????????????????????

She's a Banshee, slayer helmets on lads. Item Construction for ear plugs/ear muffs of sorts that also act as an earpiece to talk to allies while filtering out sounds and curses.

But otherwise don't bring anyone without Mental Protection of sorts. Alcides dabs on this with Valor ofc. He only has one reroll through Gae Bolg though with Chiron's immortality, so rather not waste it.

Talking to Scat is an obvious one. Maybe even give Nyarly a call and ask him to put Aife on. Let the sisters talk on loudspeaker after mentioning the Morrigan has Cu on a leash.

Also, consult Morgan. They were often conflated in myth and she would 100% know more about her.
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Exploiting Cu's low luck and geasses is the way through. Don't bother with an honorable fight. Obeithion will be good for this, Hope pushes through the banshee screams, she has retard stronk luck and can't be dabbed on by Cu and he'll trip over his own cock trying to hurt her.

she can also flash him to knock him out of Riastrad and leave him in a dazed stupor Poor girl.
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>>4787864
>spoiler
>First plan involving her includes a kiss
>Second includes her flashing a rapist
Fucking hell, we'll get SPHERED.
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>>4787859
makes sense, Cu would probably ignore Morrigan's commands completely when he saw Scathach and go off to fight her, which ends in his death because his luck is horrendous and Scathach can spam Gae Bolg
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>>4787864
>>4787868
or we can use Ayaka again and make her take off her glasses, it'll be enough to daze him
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>>4787869
And now we need to figure out how to disable him without letting Scathach Bolg him and without having the little confused fairy saberface flash him.

>>4787872
Yes, Ayaka's otome protag powers will be super effective against him.

Can we do something else though? I don't want to encourage him to cuck Bazett even before she's free.
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>>4787876
>I don't want to encourage him to cuck Bazett even before she's free.
Do you just not know who Cu is anon?
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If you ever see her washing someone's clothing, be it in a dream or otherwise that person will die too. It's basically the omen of their end.

I wouldn't bring many people to fight either. Madness of Nemain drives allies to fight one another. You NEED mental protections for this woman.

We can assume her fleeing means she knows Scat handles Cu fairly well, so she's coming for the confrontation without question.

Cu does not think it right to kill women, so him sparing the ladies made sense. If we had any male allies there they'd all be dead.

His geases are:

>Cannot refuse any meal offered by a woman
>Greatly weakened if he consumes dog meat

I do think we should have Satsuki call out here and have her set up a time/place of our choosing for Cu, of her offering him a meal. He cannot refuse. Morrigan has Clairvoyance anyway, her knowing what will happen means nothing. We have a bigger toolbox than her and I daresay Shinji does not read properly under her Clairvoyance by the nature of Truth, as we just make a new Fate
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Fully supporting using those tactics against Cu. But I am afraid we missed window to free him and Bazett and we only get to fight them in a group fight against Manaka next.
>>4787848
>Why do you think Nero and Scathach are more important than our bros?
Mostly because just getting Nero and Scathach on our side and never properly speaking with them is even weirder.
I hope WhatIs will just put it as extra activity since it is strange otherwise.
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We can also parlay by geasing ourselves and having Chiyome just instantly break them if that ever comes up too. So it's a cost free bargaining chip. Potatoniggers love their geases in negotiations
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>>4787878
Oh, I know. This is Bazett's problem. I just don't want us to encourage him.
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>>4787887
She's aware of his womanising ways and still loves him. It's not something to worry about.
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>>4787888
damn Cu is like us, maybe we should listen to him more often
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And speaking of bad matchups.
Do you guys think Suzuka would have done better here?
Or Hopeman or Altera if we got either of them instead?
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>>4787884
>never properly speaking with them
It has been less than a day. We can talk to them tomorrow, or if a chance comes up on its own. It's not like we have anything important or time critical to talk to them about. When was the last time we even spoke to our best friend Shirou, let alone hanged out with him and the bros.

>>4787885
I don't see what we would gain by this.

>>4787888
My concerned is blame. When he cuckqueens Bazett on his own, our hands are clean. But we share the blame if he goes after Ayaka.

Also, this brings him into conflict with Gil.

Also, it's pimping out Ayaka again, and it's less benign than just setting her up on a date with king jobber.

>>4787891
We should listen and then do the opposite of what he tells us.

>>4787892
Hopeman would probably be the only one who could deal with Cu speedblitzing. The others would have been about as humiliated. Unless Altera was fast enough to nuke the city block?
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>>4787892
Hopeman gets no mercy and might even die before he can regenerate himself.

Suzuka is very frail.

Altera has the best shot as she's another big stick and female so Cu jobs
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>>4787896
>My concerned is blame
Guilt is a better word.
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>>4787896
I'm just firing off stuff to consider. I'm not gonna have time to plan or react much here as I've got classes to make and I also need to actually sleep soon too.

If you want Cu at a time and place now is the only chance you have that we know to have a female offer him a meal somewhere some when if you want to guarantee an encounter.

He can't refuse due to his geas or Morrigan burns another CS blocking it and Cu suffers a heavy statdown for breaking the Geas.
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>>4787911
And we can feed him organdog meat infused with Pacification or something.
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>>4787896
>My concerned is blame.
We're not sticking his dick into Ayaka we're just using her looks as a distraction, whatever he does by then is all on him
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>>4787896
>>4787898
I think Hopeman would have been perfect to stall him if he goes all out? Luck ? vs Luck E-.
Suzuka is very fast and can probably be even faster if she wants to. But frailty is a big concern, yeah.
Altera can fight Servants like Gil and Iskandar with ease so I am thinking she would have fared better here. And that`s not counting theoretical Concept we would have given her.

But I think if we end up with a direct fight only Medusa can match Cu among our current allies in head to head combat.
Unless we overwhelm him or abuse his Luck and curses.
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>>4787911
>If you want Cu at a time and place now is the only chance you have that we know to
Honestly, I'd prefer if we just let him go instead of doubling down on this, again. It's over, we lost the pot, let's get this over with instead of risking, say Morrigan getting pissed and leaving us with a parting gift.

We'll talk about feeding him tentacle dog meat if we come across him in the city.

>>4787914
>We're not sticking his dick into Ayaka
We're dangling her in front of mr battle rapist as bait. Am I really wrong to be concerned he'll bite harder than we might want?

>>4787933
>abuse his Luck and curses.
This is the way. Giving him a straight fight is the last thing we want to do. And don't forget Morrigan will be with him, and Medusa is one if the best anti divine people we have.
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Before engaging the potatoniggers again go have a long talk with Morgan and Scat and maybe even call Alan and ask to speak to Aife while the other two on the phone on speaker.

The more of Morrigans stat sheet we can unveil the less chance we have of getting fucked when it comes to a head.

Taking out Manakas slaves individually pre encounter is your safest bet at freeing them without loss.
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>>4787968
>Taking out Manakas slaves individually pre encounter is your safest bet at freeing them without loss.
We might have lost our chance with those two by rushing headlong here.

I 100% agree about the rest.
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Maybe we should call our Alaya?
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>>4787978
For what purpose?
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>>4787993
Call in favors?
>"You know, if you were properly trained, with reflexes like that, you might have really been something." Lancer takes it on himself to insult your combat skills. Properly trained? Screw you!
Beast of Alaya him for this.
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>>4788000
Seems like kind of an overreaction, doesnn't it?
You've got a multitude of people who either can't die or can come back immediately after dying.
Lancer is monstrously strong now, but there's a way to defeat him without turning yourself into Alaya's pet dog.

Are you still thinking Manaka is a non-threat?
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What even are the votes right now?
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>>4788010
I was half-joking. But honestly it is really tempting to wipe smirks of their faces like that.
We are still doing all of it for free anyway.
>Are you still thinking Manaka is a non-threat?
But I only said before that she is very bleak threat in comparison to Zolgen. Who had cooler plan and was much more fun to interact with.
Sure, she can kill a lot of friends and future wives if we fuck up but she will still be bitter loser and boring vain psychopath.
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>>4788016
We are rubbing salt in with
>Go make sure that Shuten is alright.
>Betty, Chiyome and Satsuki too
>Apologize to Satsuki for ruining the date. Apologize to your Servants for getting them hurt like this.
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>>4788018
Zolgen probably got on the Throne for the shit he pulled.
The man who dabbed on Orochi.
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>>4787179
>Go make sure that Shuten is alright.
>Betty, Chiyome and Satsuki too

I'll just vote this I guess. Apologizing to Shuten and ninja for getting them hurt is probably not actually going to have a good effect, as pride as oni and ninja
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>>4788022
Unless Cu gibbed Shuten she'll be alright.
Battle Con A+ is fucked.
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>>4788023
Its more something to do while our allies arrive. Not much else to do, I think.
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>>4788021
>"Servant Caster. At your service. Wait, back here so fast? Looks like I was right, "grandson"."
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I think convincing Morrigan to become an ally isn't impossible.
She's not meatpuppeting Baz's body entirely and hasn't vored her mind.
It seems to be a sharing thing.
In fact they probably have the best compatibility with her because they are all CuFags.
They just want their husbando
All four of them.
Cu solving his harem problem by turning them all into one woman.
Based.
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>>4788030
>turned harem into 1 girl
I'm sure Sakura would help us get that for ourselves if we gave her permission.
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>>4788030
>be Morrigan
>Possess Bazet
>She's hopelessly in love with Cu despite his manwhorish ways
>Ah I see you are a woman of culture as well
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>>4788026
Our Zolgen in Chaldea would be based.
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>>4788044
Good Carnival material too.
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>>4788042
In a way, between The Omniwaifu, Scathach and Aife, Cu is really facing his own harem problem.
He's only really missing Medb, and he wouldn't stick his dick in her anyway.

I wonder if SuperCu beats Cu Alter.
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>>4788049
He probably does. Cu Alter said that a hypothetical Berserker Cu is even worse than him, and this one has riastrad and also other bullshit.
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>>4788049
>>4788051
Lets summon Medb just for our buddy Cu, lads.
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>>4788051
He might also have Primordial Runes.
Because that's just what a mega-beatstick needs.
I guess Morrigan might be trying to prove to Cu that he's a retard for not taking the help she offered before he got wrecked by an army.
Cu here is basically Odin despite being Cu.
Something something Dagda being Morrigan's husband.
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>>4788053
She'd gush so much on seeing him that she'd probably create a flood type Noble Phantasm then and there.
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>>4788054
>He might also have Primordial Runes.
We should just assume he has them.
>?????????????: -
>???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
With the way WhatIs format sheets this can only be runes.
>>4788055
Her skillset is also really good at abusing all of Cu`s weaknesses.
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>>4788056
Wouldn't Shteno and Euryale also be really good at exploiting Cu's geasa?
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>>4788056
I imagine Morrigan would pulverize her if we tried summoning her for that.
Did we ever decide what class we were going to take in the Clocktower?
Modern Magecraft Theory right?

Also fuck, Super Cu is busted as fuck.
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I had typed this and apparently not posted this earlier but yeah. I'm assuming people are gonna simp out on the chase here as we're already on the back foot with more than half of the available pieces damaged including ourselves and we only have a moment to continue what will likely become an unwinnable fight.

But just start piecing this together if new information comes to light and I'm not available.

Madness of Nemain: A+ (EX)
????????????????????????????
Drives allies to infight and kill one another, potentially on the level of a CS kill urself order

Wail of Badb: A+ (EX)
????????????????????????????
Banshee scream. Omen of death, causes suicidal tendencies/outbursts without high enough magic/mental resistance. Badb often takes the form of a crow.

Sovereignty of Macha: A+ (EX)
????????????????????????????
Your place is my place. Macha is a very powerful cursemaster, Chiyome is at our side at all times for this reason. Macha died to a sun/light element cyclops, who was in turn killed by Lugh if you were looking to counterpick. Might be conceptually weak to bright lights of sorts.

Clairvoyance (Death): B+++
????????????????????????????
Shinigami eyes

Gotta remember she's A++ luck, is a fae.elemental type being herself. Even if Cu is a lucklet she isn't.

Also, at least two of the personalities, Badb and Nemain was married to a God of War, Neit. So Ares' Sash could have some sway in having her view the wearer as her old husband if you through in a bit of Merlin/Morgan/Scat etc. illusions and celt juices so she mixes up the identity.
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>>4788063
was should be were* fuck it not deleted and reposting a third time
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>>4788064
imagine proofreading.

Have fun with barbed potatodog dick and 1st century schizoid woman anyway guys, this'll be entertaining when I get around to it at least.
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>>4788062
Modern Magecraft probably, but we can take another for a dual one. I suggest Folklore because its the eldritch/weird shit one, or archeology for dunking on runers with better runes.
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>>4788063
The Morrigan is the wife of the Dagda who is often compared to Odin.
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>>4788057
We can use them or Ayaka but the problem is that they are far less expendable than Medb would be.
If we go that route. Weird concepts or something else might derail the plans again.
>Did we ever decide what class we were going to take in the Clocktower?
I was under impression we only doing to fuck up Clocktower from within. With so many Casters and Touko around we have no need in Clocktower teachings.
>>4788063
>Ahhhh Grandpda heeeelp! Use your Nega-Deity!
Solid chances we would have to put Cu and Bazett down or risk losing people we care about.
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>>4788067
We saw that each personality is independent though, so we can try things that cause internal strife. WhatIs rolled for what personality would rise out, so we can use the fact that she's effectively schizophrenic in personality even if she uses all of her skills simultaneously.

2/3 odds if we go in with the war god aesthetic disguise is good as a first layer protection. It puts us on even physical footing with her too worst case scenario, means Shinji doesn't get his head exploded if Cu is busy.
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>>4788066
I wanna fuck around in Astromancy with Alan.
>>4788065
Liz Love when?
Shinji's Snake-Dragongirl fetish is my favourite meme.
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>>4788070
They probably have a NP that turns them into the singular Morrigan.
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>>4788074
That probably seals all 3 of the specific subset skills in exchange for raw power and a War/Omen of Death style Authority
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>>4788074
based FAG id fren
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>>4788071
>meme
It is not a meme but a reality.
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Lets summon Carmilla and apply the concept of Dragon to her.
I want to see what happens.
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>>4788077
How would this dumb snake feel about being part of a harem?
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>Shirou banging Saber on an hourly basis
>Alan chadded his way into Lorelei's panties
>Carnival Shinji got gangbanged by 13 women or a night of passion with Sakura and Vritra
>we're still a virgin
Fuck!
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>>4788080
On the one hand she is insane and possessive.
On the other hand she is dragon and pretty low in dragon pecking order.
As of >>4785200 we know that dragon bias is very real. I can see her just starting simping for us with dragon core, Alítheia, Sakura-Tiamat and Vritra.
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>>4788088
Just realized Alan probably would've been involved in Case Files.
Now I'm sad.
>>4788088
Shinji is the best DragonsLayer in existence.
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>>4788083
I meant to reply to this >>4788091
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I kinda want to take Alan to the Lostbelts.
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>>4788091
>Just realized Alan probably would've been involved in Case Files.
That felt like a gut punch.
>Shinji is the best DragonsLayer in existence.
>"Hmmm. How do I help my lovely Beast? I know. I will send him all dragon-related and snake-related Servants I have! He loves dragons and snakes!"
>>4788095
Are you going to ask him to crawl inside BB?
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>>4788098
Alaya is the best waifu of all.
We should apply the concept of Universe or Multiverse to her.
>That felt like a gut punch.
I can't imagine how fucked the plot was. Heartless gets rekt.
>Are you going to ask him to crawl inside BB?
Travelling to parallel worlds should be easy for him.
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>>4788105
>We should apply the concept of Universe or Multiverse to her.
She is going to vore all other Alayas. Vorechads stay winning.
>Travelling to parallel worlds should be easy for him.
I was under the impression the biggest hurdle for him is to make sure his presence don`t crush whole reality. But if our Alaya would want to get back at others for trying to kill her then Alan might get some breath room as long as we are overseeing him.
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>>4788108
>Vorechads stay winning.
Vorechads are this quest's biggest winner.
We know they are lurking ever since they let Sakura swallow us into her vore dimension.
>I was under the impression the biggest hurdle for him is to make sure his presence don`t crush whole reality
He ruined Summer by kidnapping BB through time.
I assume he can do the reverse.
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>>4788112
Speaking of the vore dimension we should let Sakura eat us again.
Her control over Nullification has improved and I want to meet the Mommy within.
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So other than QM, how many fellow vorechads do I actually have here?
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>>4788112
>>4788114
AaaaaAAaaAAaaAAaaaaAAAAAaAaAAaaaaA/100
>He ruined Summer by kidnapping BB through time.
>I assume he can do the reverse.
Do you want Alan pretending to be our "Summer BB-chan" or pretending to be independent Servant on those adventures?
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>>4788121
It's scary that Tiamat is probably 100/100 already.
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>>4788129
I just want us to put our head on her lap and take a little nap while she gently stroke our hair.
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>>4788133
This but also impregnation.
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>>4788134
If weimpregnate Tiamat, will Sakura also be pregnant? Also, can she watche us while we have sex inside her?
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>>4788062
Modern Magecraft will be the funniest. Also has the most interesting classmates and teachers. We can take other courses on the side if we really want, but we don't really care about what the Clocktower teaches.

>>4788063
Nice analysis, we'll need it. Have a (you)

>>4788070
Yep. As good a plan as any.

>>4788077
Funny that we memed the dragon/snek thing into reality.

>>4788083
We missed our chance yesterday. We'd better not miss it today too.

>>4788105
>I can't imagine how fucked the plot was. Heartless gets rekt.
We should ask Waver what the fuck happened there.

>>4788114
Let's wait until she gets perfect control. Why hurry?
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>>4788135
I think we'll have to impregnate both seperately.
Maybe Sakura figures out a way to enter into her inner world too.
Somebody post the tiamat daughter edits.
Tiamat will probably give us like Octuplets
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>>4788119
Most of thread at this point since we always aim for very specific girls.
And Sweets too. His Fate quest had vore power up mechanic and started with vore battle royale.
>>4788135
>Also, can she watche us while we have sex inside her?
I think she can freely enter her inner world.
>>4788136
>Funny that we memed the dragon/snek thing into reality.
Good on Arcueid for pointing this out earlier.
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>>4788145
>Good on Arcueid for pointing this out earlier.
She did? Actually drawing a blank here. Or did you mean Medusa?
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>>4788136
>but we don't really care about what the Clocktower teaches.
I want to see Lorelei simping for Alan.
>Funny that we memed the dragon/snek thing into reality.
Shinji has the best taste in waifus.
He even made Sakura into the strongest Dragon so she applies as well.
>We missed our chance yesterday. We'd better not miss it today too.
But who will make the first move?
>We should ask Waver what the fuck happened there.
The important takeaway is that Heartless is fucking dead.
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>>4788063
>Clairvoyance (Death): B+++
>????????????????????????????
>Shinigami eyes
Why not bring Shiki into this? Match death with death?
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>>4788167
His speed is inconsistent and hes weak to mind stuff.
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>>4788145
>Sweets was LoliVorechad the entire time.
Megabased.
Explains why his FGO waifus were Meltlilith and Circe.
Circe being an extra based Animal Transformation + Vore waifu.
Peak Vorewaifus.
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All good Fate Quests need Vorefus.
Sweets had Circe and Korakuhime.
This has all sorts of them.
Overgrowth had Red Riding Hood.
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>>4788147
Thread 20
>"A Dragon God? Good grief, what is it with you and dragons, Shinji?" Arcueid's voice is playful, but she does sound a little bit concerned about things regardless. Of course, a dragon god like Orochi is really nothing to laugh at, even for somebody as powerful as she is. When it comes to beings at this level of power, fights tend to stop being about being capable of overpowering your enemies through power alone, and more about having a reliable way to kill your opponent.
But I would love to have teasing Medusa in our head too.
>>4788152
>He even made Sakura into the strongest Dragon so she applies as well.
I am still thinking about giving Medea Dragon concept too.
Hell. If Suzuka gave herself Demon for Orochi fight she might be able to Dragon/Snake herself up too.
>>4788175
>>4788181
Sweets might still throw in some extra vore in Redux.
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>The Greek and Latin term referred to any great serpent, not necessarily mythological.[6] The Greek word δράκων is most likely derived from the Greek verb δέρκομαι (dérkomai) meaning "I see", the aorist form of which is ἔδρακον (édrakon).[5] This is thought to have referred to something with a "deadly glance,"[7] or unusually bright[8] or "sharp"[9] eyes.
>Insight
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>>4788137
You mean these?

Anyway, what won?
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>>4788152
>I want to see Lorelei simping for Alan.
It's going to be fun seeing her all tsundere about him, yes.
>He even made Sakura into the strongest Dragon so she applies as well.
Nothing but the best for our sisterwife!
>But who will make the first move?
See the answer immediately above.
>The important takeaway is that Heartless is fucking dead.
The important takeaway is that we shouldn't be making assumptions about how things played out. The timeline is all sorts of fucked up.

>>4788167
>Why not bring Shiki into this? Match death with death?
Shinigami eyes means seeing someone's appointed time of death. What Shiki does is kinda different.

I thought you meant Ryougi for a second. Poor Shiki, he's been completely sidelined.

>>4788194
I had completely forgotten about her saying that.

>>4788202
Not just "I see", but "I see well" or "I see clearly". Different words for each.

>>4788207
>>4787234 and >>4787304
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I fear the answer to this may be a little predictable, but just how many children are you planning to have?
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>>4788212
Something along what Abraham was offered, I'd venture a guess
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>>4788212
Huh, fun fact.
Ozymandias had 162+ children.
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On top of it.
>The Great Goddess often had snakes as her familiars—sometimes twining around her sacred staff, as in ancient Crete—and they were worshipped as guardians of her mysteries of birth and regeneration.
More Mother Goddess connection. With Medea having her own connection with Colchian dragon as part of her heroic legend and Noble Phantasm. And said dragon also pulls her chariot in myths. Plus drakainas are humanoid female dragons/serpents and enemies of the gods. With their myths involving creating various other monsters and dragon. Notably Colchian dragon. And us with Medea outdid that legend tenfold by creating Alítheia. With Blessing already granting Medea power over Dragons.
And Medusa can also have Authority to wield Potnia Theron too.
>>4788210
It is all coming together.
>>4788212
A lot.
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>>4788212
>And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it
One of God's better commandments.
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>>4788212
At least 22
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>>4788212
Imagine planning things in advance and sticking to a plan.
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>>4788212
Yes.
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While I write the update, if you had a choice, which Servant would you like to see show up in the quest?
This has no real bearing on the story other than maybe giving me some ideas for the future.
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>>4788237
Canon or OC Servants from mythology?
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>>4788237
Hopeman, Achilles, Chiron, in that order.
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>>4788240
You can choose anything you'd like to see.
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>>4788241
Oh yeah, you still have that Achilles Catalyst, don't you?
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>>4788245
Should be around the house somewhere. We didn't lose it, did we?
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Mmm, pretty windy outside today, might get crushed by a tree, I'll endeavor to survive.
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>>4788249
You left it on your desk, next to your Chekov's Meteorite Fragment.
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>>4788237
If its in general I'd say someone like Hermes Trismegistus or Aleister Crowley could be interesting.
If canon Servants then Altera or Helena for modern magecraft memes I guess.
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>>4788253
Now that I thought about it for a second, Waver exposited a lot about how angels are big in modern magecraft in Case Files, so John Dee could also be interesting with a Clock Tower arc.
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>>4788253
>Aleister Crowley could be interesting.
Hmmmmm....
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>>4788237
Okita and Ereshkigal might already show up, so it has to be her.
She's forever my fav. Even though her low powerlevel means she has no reason to ever show.
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>>4788250
Just take a chainsaw to all the trees around your house already.

>>4788252
Oh right. We have that thing too.
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>>4788260
Aeon NP we can use for helping the new Age start or ToAru memes?
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>>4788263
I wish I could.

>>4788261
You could always try to think of a concept for her, just in case.
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>>4788237
>>4788244
Hopeman, Altera, Kiyohime, Liz, more friendly Foreigners, Okita Alter, Li Shuwen, Martha, Ryoma.
More dragon/snake-related Servants in general for our theme.
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>>4788267
>just in case.
You're a good man QM.
I'll certainly give it some thought.
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>>4788270
>Hopeman
>Altera
>Okita Alter
Man that summoning you did that got suzuka must've been additionally cruel on you, huh?

>Ryoma
I see you wish to meet a fellow man of culture.
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>>4788294
Yes and yes.
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>>4788294
>Ryoma
Now I want him too
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>>4788295
Well if you do end up meeting Ryoma, then Oryou would probably do well with the Dragon Concept.
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>>4788304
And Medea or Sakura can get Drakaina.
And Ryoma would benefit a lot from Progress.
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>>4788313
>Drakaina
>literally means female dragon
Alright, I can see why, but are you sure?
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>>4788313
Medea gets Best Wife and Sakura gets Semen Demon.
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>>4788331
Look at >>4788221 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drakaina_(mythology)
They fit the bill.
>>4788340
>Semen Demon
Shuten.
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>>4788237
Aside from HOPEMAN.

I’m tied between Raikou and Kintoki. I want both to show up honestly since I like both characters....oh and Astolfo.....because fuck it why not. It’d be funny.
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>>4788344
>In Greek mythology, a drakaina (Ancient Greek: δράκαινα) is a female serpent or dragon, sometimes with humanlike features.
>although the word "drakaina" is literally the feminine form of drakon (Ancient Greek for dragon or serpent), most drakainas had some features of a human woman
I still fail to see it. They are the mothers of a drakaina, but not drakainas themselves.
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>>4788237
Altera, loli book, serenity, ushi.
and others.
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>>4788237
Helena, but the proto design with the green slutty military uniform NOT the current horrible purple-haired design. Kerry Assassin. Semiramis. Hopeman. Vlad the Impaler and his distant relative, Vlad the Implier
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>>4788345
I shudder thinking what people would do to him if he showed up.
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>>4788350
>loli book
Nursery Rhyme looks like the summoner.
FGO just wanted to reuse the design.
I'm afraid that if you want Nursery Rhyme, you'll have to try to find and save Alice.
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>>4788351
>green slutty miliatry uniform
You weren't joking.
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>>4788349
Connection to creation of Dragons and being a mother. Sakura was able to freely control Tiamat`s powers and show her feature in her looks as well.
Either way we should bring it up with them.
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>>4788356
>miliatry
Cripes.
>>4788353
If you somehow managed to summon Nursery Rhyme, they would be one of the most powerful Servants to exist. Beast tier, I imagine.
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>>4788353
>you'll have to try to find and save Alice.
...Save her from what?
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>>4788357
But there is nothing special about this word. It does not even qualify as a separate foreign concept. Greek's a gendered language, this is just how you translate "female dragon" in it. It is literally the same thing as the Dragon Concept WhatIs recommended for Oryou.

There shouldn't even be a separate wiki page for them, just like there isn't one for the male "drakon". They're all just dragons, nothing more.
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>>4788237
Vritra and Suzuka are great but my actual Servantfus are Carmilla, Jannu Horta, and Charlotte Corday
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>>4788358
Sure, lets summon the book.
>>4788356
lewd, nice
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>>4788356
That`s really nice.
>>4788358
I want the Book too because we already played with Book in our dream and have to take responsibility.
>>4788360
Well, if it does not represent very specific subset on creatures than it would be a waste to use it and we are better off with something more special for them. We had a lot of other ideas for Medea at very least.
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>>4788366
ideas for Medea were Goetia, Theurgy, Mágos, Mystery and just ask her.
Is that right? Outside of Dragon or trying something with her sun ancestry.
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>>4788373
And Arete, Philotimo, Poiesis, Sophrosyne and Hyperuranion.
We should voice all of them to her and let her pick. Nobu did good job with Supremacy.
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>>4788373
>>4788376
Yep, agreed. List a few Concepts to her just in case, let her pick. Supremacy wasn't even one of the things we discussed for Nobu.
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>>4788376
The last one is probably a so called cheat concept we'd need Ares Sash and Aletheia environment for at least, or even shuffling some Servants around. Energy intensive.
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>>4788237
Bedivere, Robinhood, Vlad zerker, or Eresh
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>>4788380
Most of the other greek concepts don't fit her that well either, imho, but there's not much of a point in discussing it if we're letting her pick.
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>>4788381
I thought we wanted God Eresh somehow, which is why I didnt say her.
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>>4788380
Or Dragon Core.
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>>4788385
You're right. We really kinda need it at this point.
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>>4788383
In a best case scenario we can get her in like 3 updates.
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>>4788237
Don Quixote, I require madness.
>>4788294
>Ryoma
I approve.
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>Ryoma
All three of his Personal skills are related to him progressing Japan forward and it was his life goal.
And since he is employed by Counter Force a lot human progress is also beneficial concept to him. From personal standpoint and from his employer perspective.
So Progress is perfect concept for him.
>Oryou
Never got to be a proper dragon and Ryoma`s Noble Phantasm. Dies upon it`s being used since she is imperfect.
Have almost all prerequisite skills for Dragonkind too.
So Dragon is perfect concept for her.

And since they are connected applying concept to one of them might give minor benefits to the other as well.
Riding skill Ryoma has will definitely allow him to ride proper dragons if Oryou were to become one.

And both of them resonate with us and our goals.
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Guys, we need to see if we can pass our sword knowledge to EMIYA and have EMIYA pass his knowledge to shirou, i dont think we did that yet.
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>>4788383
>>4788388
I want the superior rinface
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>>4788212
Servants and Vampires can't have kids so we're ok, we'll only have like 7 probably
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>>4788237
Hopeman and Altera since she's your waifu, if any servant works too than Ravana alongside Archer Rama
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if any more servants show up, I’m expecting to see at least 3-4 more grails popping up as well for how hectic things are gonna get.

Some poor Ruler is gonna show up, and be completely unable to get a handle on the bullshit going down.
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Dead quest
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>>4788573
What a shame, it showed so much promise in the few threads it had.
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>>4788572
There's two more Grail wars in our future
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>>4788593
Snowfield and what else?
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>>4788237
Vlad the Impaler, Semiramis and Frankenstein for me.
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>>4788573
WhatIS got isekaied again, or he ran away because the waifu wars ruined everything.
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>>4788596
Labyrinth
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Why are all of the QMs hiding in the QTG again?
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Sorry, powercut took me out for a while, but I've been writing the update on my laptop while I waited for power to return.
It's currently 4200 words long.
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>>4788605
I thought you finally got sleep
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>>4788612
Don't tell WhatIS but I suspect he is a Dead Apostle since he seems to not need sleep at all
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>>4788612
>>4788615
He removed Concept of Sleep from himself.
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Test
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>>4788624
Oh sweet, kept my formatting power.
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>>4788359
Being a dead internet ghost.

Nursery Rhyme looks like how you want it to look in general, which is why it looks like this when Raikou summons her in Heian-kyo.
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This update is going to take about 10 minutes to post.
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>>4788633
So she would like like how she normally is, the alice one, because thats probably what shinji reminds her more as?
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>>4788651
Nursery Rhyme is just...
OK, so it's Alice's thoughts on Nursery Rhymes/Picture Books manifested as a living Reality Marble to create a weird sort of Servant.
Now please think about how that might relate to your mindset.
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No, there's no point in following them, you know a blatant trap when you see it, and following after them through that portal is nothing but a guarantee of death or worse. You'll have to let them go for now. "Everyone... stand down. They've gone." You look at the black portal in front of you, did Morrígan create this? Or was it created by the power of one of their allies? Well, whatever is going on there, you know now that Lancer and Bazett have become a true force to be reckoned with. In fact, as she exists now, you wouldn't really doubt that Bazett would have a solid chance of wiping out the Clocktower by herself, especially with an absence of Zelretch. You don't really want to think about how big a threat just Morrígan by herself is. With the power of Three Goddesses at her disposal as well as an empowered beyond belief Cú Chulainn who could surely kill even gods by himself, the Morrígan is one of your most formidable foes yet.

You head over to the wall that Shuten was blasted through, just in time for Shuten to leap back through it and collide with you. She lands on top of you, knocking you to the floor. She doesn't pay attention to that, and her eyes dart and flicker about the room, still in full combat mode. Seems that she didn't take very kindly to being knocked through a window with ease. Her eyes lock onto the portal, but before she can do anything about it, the portal snaps shut and disappears into thin air.

"Shuten, the battle is over. This... can only be called our loss. I went into a dangerous situation unprepared, and this was the result. You're... not hurt are you?" You quickly grab Shuten's hand to try to get her to calm down a little bit, she's obviously going to be very upset by the result of the fight, but nowhere near as upset as you are right now.

"That Lancer's spear stung a fair bit, actually. It seemed to have an Anti-Monster attribute. That bastard caught me off guard!" Shuten seethes angrily about having been dealt with with complete ease by Lancer, one of the Three Great Monsters of Japan taken out of the fight immediately with nothing but the blunt shaft of a spear. She must be plenty upset. "It didn't leave any lasting damage, I was just... too careless." Shuten sounds disappointed in herself. Still, you can't just have the girl sit atop you while you have things to be getting on with, so you cough awkwardly. "What's the matter, Master? You don't appreciate being on the-"
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"My Lord clearly wishes for you to... remove yourself from on top of him, Shuten." Chiyome doesn't seem especially pleased to see Shuten, then again, the two of them are pretty clearly not the sort of people who will ever be able to get along. Chiyome has an obvious hatred of Orochi, even now, and Shuten Dōji, being a degraded incarnation of Yamata no Orochi, is a recipient of at least a smaller degree of that dislike for the now deceased Snake God. You... hope that her dislike of Orochi doesn't transfer over to the harmless snake creature that he seemed to reincarnate into upon being vaporized by the Flames of Truth. You did have intention to adopt the creature, after all, considering that it should at least have some form of higher intelligence, though its development is clearly much slower than that of say, Alítheia's development. You suppose it might have something to do with the origins of their existence? Honestly, you don't really know, what you do know however is that it's probably not worth trying to compare Alítheia to the reincarnated form of Orochi.

"You don't need to be such a prude, Chiyome. You should learn to live a little." Shuten sighs as she follows along with Chiyome's request, getting off your chest and standing around the hole in the floor of the room. "They... really did a number on us, huh?" She seems to have calmed down a little bit now, and you allow your attention to fall on the rest of the girls with you. Clearly Chiyome is fine, and you quickly confirm the same for Betty, who managed to avoid the runic fire that was launched at her by Lancer. That level of firepower is... beyond normal runecraft, at least of what Lancer should normally have been capable of. That level of destructive output with magic alone is something that should normally be limited to the Caster class alone. So... could his ability to wield runes have also been improved? It's likely, when you think about it, perhaps it has something to do with the Morrígan's influence on him? If she's empowered Cú to as great a degree as she possibly could, it's not entirely impossible that she taught him how to wield Primordial Runes as once used by Odin, but... could the Morrígan really have such knowledge? The ability to grant others the authority to wield Primordial Runes? You suppose it's a possibility, and with the events that occurred moments prior to this, it's likely to be more than just a possibility. You peer down the hole for a moment and make note of the level of destruction brought about through the use of a single rune. The entire center of the house has been burned through, underneath appeared to be some form of garage, yet all that is left of the car is a carbonized metal slag in a deep pit, even the very concrete was burned away. The power in a single one of those Runes must've been at least equal to a Noble Phantasm.
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Still, with all the Servants accounted for and safe, there's... one last person that you need to make sure is fine, she's putting on a brave face right now, and acting as if she's fine, but you know for a fact that Satsuki fared the worst out of anyone in this battle. While Chiyome might've almost been killed by Lancer, and Betty and Shuten were effectively taken out of the battle with singular attacks each. Everyone seemed to underestimate Lancer going by his previous performances as the threat he presented, but this Lancer is many times stronger than he was before. In fact, Lancer when he was first summoned against Lancer as he is now likely wouldn't even last more than a few seconds in battle against himself, Satsuki however wasn't defeated by Lancer at all, and it was in fact none other than the Morrígan who was responsible for defeating her, the attempt to wield a Reality Marble against a being that could automatically usurp control or create a territory instantly without preparation was something that was doomed from the start. Salvation Gardens is incredibly powerful, yes, but the Morrígan has access to one of the few things that could be called a true counter to it. While Salvation Gardens provides an ultimate protection to its owner while they are within it, that same protection does not apply to the world itself, and seeing as the world can in a way be called 'the owner' as it reflects a part of them, allowing somebody to usurp it like the Morrígan attempted to do would be like allowing somebody to consume your entire soul.

"Satsuki, how are you holding up?" You ask the vampire girl, concern in your voice. She's shying away from the sunlit parts of the room, and though she's put on a brave face, she's clearly not doing all that hot right now.

"I'm... I'm fine, that... Goddess, she did something to my Reality Marble, but... I'm undoing the damage and removing her influence from it, I won't allow somebody like her to leave their mark on my Garden." Satsuki says, her voice showing true determination and grit. "I don't need your help with fixing it though, I... I can handle this all by myself." Satsuki sounds like she wants to stand on her own two feet when it comes to repairing her Reality Marble, and you suppose you can't blame her for wanting to take care of such things herself. After all, she does want to be somebody who can stand at your side, so it wouldn't make much sense if you simply helped her through everything all the time.
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"OK, I understand, but if you find anything out of place that you can't fix yourself, or anything at all that you don't understand, please please don't even hesitate to ask me about it." You really don't want this to have any sort of lasting effect, especially because it might even lead to the Morrígan somehow managing to claim Satsuki's soul, as far-fetched as it sounds. She did mention that when she was stopped from corrupting Salvation Gardens into something of her own possession. Honestly, what the Morrígan was trying to do may well have ended up creating something like Depletion Gardens... Which when you think about it, would've probably done much better defending Satsuki against the Goddess, ability to usurp territory or not, the original Depletion Gardens is something that would be anathema to a Goddess. You don't know if the Morrígan would've still attempted to or even have been able to have usurped control of something so contrary to her existence of a Goddess, but you suppose that there's no use being upset about things now, Salvation Gardens is far more useful in general than the corrupted dying counterpart is. It's just that it would've had a greater level of compatibility against the Morrígan, you think.

You would've liked to have been able to have granted Satsuki's Reality Marble a concept to prevent something like this from happening again, but suppose you can always save that for later anyway. You don't want to completely derail what was supposed to be a day of relaxation with more and more work. It's bad enough that you stumbled into Bazett and Lancer here, and though you did manage to get some information about the two of them that will prove to be useful in dealing with them in the future through getting at least some knowledge of their capabilities when you plan to take them out for good, you... also managed to suffer a somewhat humiliating defeat. It's annoying that they were the ones who retreated, yet you are the one who feels like the loser.

Finally, in a flash of purple light, Medea arrives with more than a few people in tow, Scáthach, Alcides, Vritra, Gilgamesh, Enkidu and Nobunaga are all standing around the burned hole in the center of the room. "Apologies, Master, but it took some time to get everyone together, I... see that I was too late." Medea sounds irritated, both with herself, and no doubt with you as well. You were supposed to be relaxing, after all.

"A pity that we were too late to be of assistance." Enkidu frowns, looking at the flame in the center of the room. "Nobody was harmed, were they?" The green haired androgynous... man... woman... Ken doll? You don't really know how to refer to Enkidu, if you're being honest. You guess man will have to do for now, even though they don't exactly really even have a biological sex.
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"No, we were all roughed up a little, but they failed to do any lasting damage before retreating, probably because they wanted to avoid being confronted with the full might of our faction." No matter how strong that the Morrígan and Lancer together might be, against this coalition of immensely powerful Servants, even a Beast is defeatable, as Zolgen found out the hard way. It's no wonder that the two of them fled before you could arrive. Though this does raise a very annoying problem. How exactly are you supposed to defeat the two of them if they'll simply run away the moment that they can't win a battle? Well, you suppose that Gilgamesh may have a solution in his vault to stop them from portalling away. He did after all give you the anti-teleportation bracelet that should be able to block things like that from working as a valid means of escape in its activated state.

"That's good." Enkidu has a smile on his face, happy that nobody was hurt. Clearly, Enkidu is just... happy to be alive right now, in fact, he's pretty happy about everything. He's together with Gilgamesh once again and not even death could keep the two of them apart, he's not actually having to participate in the Grail War outside of saving the world and thanks to you, he's completely and utterly free. You should probably spend a little bit more time with Enkidu at some point, though Gilgamesh might end up getting jealous if Enkidu spends time with somebody other than him. Honestly, Gilgamesh and Enkidu's relationship is a pretty strange one, though when it comes to strange relationships, you suppose that you can't exactly be the judge of... well, anybody.

"So, you mentioned that a dog I trained was here?" Noticing a lull in the conversation. Scáthach takes a step forwards, looking at the hole in the floor, clearly impressed. "This was done by... rune magecraft, wasn't it?" Scáthach quickly discerns the cause of the incinerated floor, she's sharp! Of course, you knew that already, but whatever. Scáthach has a smile on her face. "If Sétanta really did do this, then he's gotten quite a bit better with his Runes since I taught him how to use them. But... who was the Goddess? Did you find out?

"The Morrígan." Scáthach's jaw clenches tight. Oh, yeah, she clearly wasn't expecting that. You don't know if the two of them ever had any interactions in the past, but Scáthach should definitely be aware of just who the Morrígan is, and probably her obsession with her greatest student as well.

"I see. Well, I must thank you for giving me the opportunity to put my foolish disciple in his place, if he's truly decided to side with her of all people, then somebody is going to need to give him a good thrashing. He clearly needs to be given a strict reminder as to why accepting the love of a goddess is a self-destructive act and is guaranteed to end in disaster." Scáthach clearly isn't very happy at all about what Cu has done.
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"Well, there's no sense in just standing around in this ruined building, is there?" Medea enters the conversation to suggest a relocation for everyone. "In fact, a certain somebody is not meant to be doing anything stressful today at all, yet here I find him, having managed to find and start a battle with a Goddess and her Servant." She's clearly disappointed. "However, I can't be too upset with him, even if what he did was... foolish."

"Yes, Outsider, there's no need to pressure yourself when you have others that you can rely on. You don't have to take care of everything by yourself, nor in some cases, is it possible to do so." Gilgamesh says some wise words, it appears that the presence of Enkidu has made him recall their greatest battles together, against foes like Humbaba and Gugulanna, both incredible foes that neither of the two of them alone would've been powerful enough to defeat, they had no choice but to work together. In fact, even recently, Gilgamesh found himself outmatched facing Enkidu as the Host for all the Evils of Humanity. He would've never have been able to win that fight without your assistance. Still, it's kind of odd to hear Gilgamesh giving well-intentioned advice.
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Alcides hasn't got much to say, he just looks angry about something. Probably annoyed at this whole goddess possession stuff going on. While he's never actually met either Bazett or Lancer before, there's no doubt in your mind that he's thinking about his own failure when it comes to protecting Illya from another Goddess, speaking of which, you'll need to figure out what you want to do with Ishtar at a later point. Not today, considering this is meant to be a day of rest, but you'll still need to get around to it. It's not like you can allow her to just languish unpunished in the Gate of Babylon forever, not to mention that it's a possibility that she may actually have a second face within her in the form of Ereshkigal. If the two of them were summoned together as a result of the curse Ishtar placed upon the world, then it would mean that she had currently been imprisoned despite not actually having done anything wrong, and Ishtar, unlike her bitch sister, doesn't actually deserve anything other than to be happy. While Ishtar effectively led a completely blessed life for a goddess where she trampled over mortals as she wished, Ereshkigal led a miserable life, where all she wanted was to make the lives of her subjects better and was consistently screwed over by other gods. If she was indeed summoned alongside her sister, then you kind of feel like she deserves at least some sort of happiness... Well, if you do find out that she's here, maybe you could offer her the chance to run a unified underworld for humanity? You don't exactly think much of the current 'recycling' system for souls that the Root has, it's pretty messed up, actually. The fact that there's no after-life unless you're arbitrarily decided to be special by the Throne of Heroes and instead you're basically broken down and turned into resources on every single level is just... kind of dumb. The Root isn't actually something that requires such things, the Root is something that shouldn't have any sort of limit on it, it is both boundless and infinite.

Yeah, if you get the chance, you'll definitely make an afterlife, and Ereshkigal is about the one person you'd trust with running it and being kind and compassionate to those within it. With enough support she could make a truly happy afterlife for everyone within it, you don't doubt that. She's one of the few goddesses who actually care about their subjects, how fitting for the callousness and lack of understanding of the gods is it that the one who has true compassion towards those who she rules over is the Goddess of the Underworld.
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"Alright, then... let's head back, shall we? I don't really want to spend any more time here than is needed anyway." You'll get somebody to pick your car up and return it to your garage later for you, you've got plenty of spares, and it's not like that one in particular could really be considered at all special in the grand scheme of things. "Medea, would you do the honors?" You give the woman the go-ahead slipping off your bracelet quickly. You'll put it back on after the teleport is done.

"As you wish, Master. Tροψα!" The woman uses her spell of teleportation, and sends the group of you headed back home. You find yourself standing in one of the living rooms of your house, an empty one. Medea really is incredible when it comes to magic, you don't even feel at all dizzy when she transports a great deal of people across large distances, whereas for magi in the modern era to even come close to replicating such things they would need to be able to wield True Magic, or be willing to do something like cause themselves to suffer a miniature heart attack in order to transport themselves. You'd have to be a real idiot to think that doing something like that was a good idea, which is why most magi would probably cut their hand off for any sort of magecraft that enabled instantaneous movement from one location to another. The Clocktower in general would love to have even a fraction of the knowledge of magic that Medea has.

"Right, well, I'm going to go check up on Illyasviel now, so... Medea, could you tell Sakura that I'm sorry I broke my promise to remain out of trouble today?" You do feel bad about going against their request and getting yourself in trouble, as they only made it out of concern for your own safety, and you... you did get your bones broken because you ignored their request when Lancer smashed you into a wall, though those have healed by now, otherwise you'd have just collapsed immediately.

"There's no need to ask Medea to tell me, Onii-chan, I'm right here." Sakura has a sad look on her face as she stands in the doorway to the previously uninhabited living room. "You really need to stop troubling yourself today, it's not good for you, and I want to trust you to do the right thing by yourself, just as much as you'll do it by anyone else." Sakura lightly scolds you, and you frown. You do of course feel bad about breaking your promise to spend this day relaxing, but you can't help but feel like it was in some ways worth it. You now have knowledge that you were previously incapable of getting, and can start plotting to defeat both Lancer and the Morrígan properly with information about their capabilities. At least this way you won't have to go in against them blind when you finally decide to deal with the two of them. Hopefully non-lethally, but Lancer is powerful enough at this point that even Scáthach probably can't handle him alone.
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"I... I'm sorry, Sakura, but..." You make a move to defend your actions to the caring girl. She loves you, and you love her, so disappointing her feels... bad. You want her to at least understand why you did what you did.

"I know, you want to see everyone happy, right? But... I want to see you happy, and it makes me unhappy when you aren't." Sakura gives a weak smile. "So today, you need to stop focusing on everyone else and and just on... trying to make yourself happy, OK?" She's not as angry as you might've thought she would've been, but you still feel bad about having broken the promise in the first place. "But if you really want to make this up to me, I can think of a few ways." She has a mischievous smirk on her face as she says that. "Anyway, you wanted to go and see Illyasviel, right? I think she's resting in her room right now, so I won't keep you from her. I'm worried about her as well." Sakura shares some form of affinity with Illyasviel, of course. Both of them being Lesser Grails, such mutual understanding between the two of them is only natural. While Sakura of course suffered more than Illya did, it's not like Illya didn't have to go through multiple painful procedures in order to be properly made into the White Grail of the Einzbern. You aren't going to let the Einzbern ever do something like what they did to Illya again. You will put a stop to their ambition.

"Thanks, Sakura." You smile at the girl, happy that she's so understanding. Honestly, is it really any wonder how you managed to fall for her like you have? Not only did you spend all those years singlemindedly trying to save her, but... well, Sakura was one of the people who properly managed to anchor you to reality, you think. Without Sakura, you would've likely wandered the world aimless, with no true goals. Would you have just attempted to amass power? Would you have simply fled Fuyuki to allow the war to reach its normal conclusion? What would you have done without Sakura's presence to guide you down the path of... well, the path of good.

You leave the room, walking past Sakura and giving her a brief hug as you do. Not one meant to be romantic, though you certainly have those feelings towards her, but a hug meant to show your appreciation for her presence in your life. You don't know if she quite understood the purpose of the hug though, but that doesn't really matter. All that matters is her happiness, and the happiness of everyone you care about.
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You don't take long to reach Illya's room, and you think back to Breakfast, could you see her there? You didn't really notice her lack of a presence, but then again, you weren't specifically trying to do a headcount this morning on account of just how many people there were eating in Rin's cramped dining room. The only ones who you specifically made note of being missing were Stheno and Euryale, as their presence would've caused Chaos, and Chiyome, who was likely shadowing you the entire time. Still, it's not much of a surprise that Illya is still resting, recovering from being possessed by a goddess is trying to absorb your mind sounds... yeah it sounds pretty hellish, actually. Damn it, you're going to make sure Ishtar gets her just desserts for this.

You notice Giselle just outside the door, and she doesn't stop you from entering, bowing slightly as you pass her. Upon entering the room, you can see an awake Illya, lying in bed but half sat up, she turns her head to face you and smiles happily. "Shinji! You were the one who had your Servant save me, weren't you?" Immediately upon looking at Illya, you notice something... different about her, physically she's identical to how she was before, but... she's far more powerful now, you can tell that with just a glance. Sella is leaned against the wall, looking astute as always.

[Status Updated!]

>"I was, Illya, how are you feeling? Are your memories alright?"
>"You're not still suffering from the after-effects of the possession, right?"
>"You... seem different."
>"I'm so glad that you're alright. I would've gone to save you personally, but I couldn't risk giving Zolgen more time."
>Hug her.
>Write-in...
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>>4788687
Hug her and give her a kiss on the forehead
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Enjoy the Novella
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I am fully energized, time to write Interludes.
Make requests now, I am doing the Sakura Helicopter one first.
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>>4788687
>>Hug her very hard
>kiss her forehead
>>"I was, Illya, how are you feeling? Are your memories alright?"
>"I'm so glad that you're alright. I would've gone to save you personally, but I couldn't risk giving Zolgen more time."
>"Also, you... seem different."
>all of this while hugging her if possible
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Oh damn. Ilya is an Anti-God trump card now.
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>>4788713
New allies acquainting themselves with the older ones would be nice. Meeting of the saberfaces, Vritra introducing herself, Nobunaga meeting the onis and Ibaraki's master. Ciel meeting Nero.
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>Cage of Divinity: EX
>A skill that seems to have originated from something other than the Goddess Ishtar, this skill allows for the perfect sealing of divinity within her body, which was already created to store the deceased spirits of heroes. The changes wrought on Illyasviel's body by the exorcism of the Mesopotamian Goddesses has granted her the ability to steal divinity from those she touches, the longer she touches them, the more their divinity fades and the more Magical Energy Illyasviel has at her disposal. A Demigod brought down to the level of a human would see their parameters drop, for certain, whereas a Divine Spirit or even a God touched by Illyasviel for long enough would simply cease to exist entirely and their divine core would be incorporated as part of Illyasviel's own.

This confirms it. Ereshkigal is inside Ishtar. And Ilya got some of her power.
Now they can bond over being bodyjacked by Ishtar!
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>>4788713
Taiga interlude on how she summoned her servant.
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>>4788732
>Ciel meeting Nero.
Bit of a specific one, why?
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>>4788713
How illya felt after being saved, how she reacted to it, talked to the maids, her servants, etc.
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>>4788738
I guess Saver Nero having essentially the Grail, us having made her like that, Ciel being af ormer churche person and not believing our meeting with God?
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>>4788713
I'm kinda interested what Shirou said to Saber when he ran after her in Misaki Town
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>>4788738
Ciel is a priest/nun and Nero is the Whore of Babylon
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>>4788714
>>4788687
I'll support your endeavors Illyabro
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>>4788713
Saber meeting the Saberfaces.
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>>4788695
It was pretty great.

>>4788713
Mordred's Battle

>>4788733
Yeah. Maid Ishtar will be terrified every second she works for Illya. And I guess we'll be having Illya vore Morrigan?
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>>4788748
>Ciel is a priest/nun
Ciel is a fucking faker priest than Kirei was.
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>>4788687
Support >>4788714
With emphasis on the "if possible" because hugging her while holding a conversation will be awkward.
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>>4788714
Support
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>>4788748
Said whore is now the closest thing on the world of a messiah/saint.
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>>4788757
You think Ilya and Eresh could talk while Ishtar was in control? If Ilya was still fighting back, maybe Eresh was awake too.
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>>4788733
So.
What would happen if illya rouched alan
Would alan go "no way fag" or what
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>>4788759
be that as it may, she was a Church agent and might have an interesting take on the emperor turned saver.

Or she might not and instead think of curry, idk.

anyways

>>4788687

>hug
>sorry for not checking with you sooner
>"I was, Illya, how are you feeling? Are your memories alright?"
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Excellent update, WhatIs.
>>4788687
Supporting >>4788714
>>4788713
Something for Ciel would be really nice.
Mordred`s Battle is the one I am also really waiting for.
Perhaps more scenes after we passed out from different characters? Scáthach, Vritra and Nero would benefit a lot from having something from their perspective.
I am also interested in the talk Medea had with Alítheia.
Or perhaps something from Medusa`s perspective? For all her new powers she never did anything of note so far and it would be interesting to see how she feels about it.
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>>4788788
I don't think Alan and co are divine by that definition. Even if we disregard their fuckoff level power.
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>>4788783
I think Eresh would be fully suppressed and unable to interact with anyone while Ishtar was in control. Perhaps Illya fighting back would allow her to gain some flashes of lucidity. I still don't think they talked, because Illya would be busy fighting for her existence, but Eresh was probably aware of what Illya was doing and so will have a pretty positive attitude already when they meet for real.

>>4788788
Illya vores Divine Cores. I doubt Alan has one. He'd probably even like Illya touching him.

>>4788792
>talk Medea had with Alítheia.
Oh, yeah, good one. I'd like that too.
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>>4788633
I see. This explains why she looks like Kaguya....because she probably IS Kaguya (in the lostbelt I mean)
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Alcides was already well disposed towards Illya after we got him out from the temple, but she's almost certainly his favorite person ever now.
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>>4788804
Ah, cool.
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>>4788809
Some things never change.
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>>4788813
I wish we get more of that food anime for more cute shit.
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>>4788687
>>4788714
Support
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I suppose it is possible to give Illya concept too.
Could she emulate something like Card Install with some tuning and memories we could share?
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>>4788668
call Enkidu clae IC
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>>4788822
Something to synergize with her Cage, so whatever divinity is taken in can also serve as a Skill or Authority install, not just energy? If we're really lucky.
Or expanding what she can cage.
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>>4788687
Supporting >>4788714
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>>4788813
Yeah. They're even the perfect godslaying team now. Alcides beats them down and chains them, Illya provides ranged support and eats them.
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I wonder if Acht will be happy to see what has happened to the Lesser Grail.
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>>4788677
Also unlike a lot of other pantheons most of Mesopotatian Authorities are actually just artefacts.

Every single one of Ishtar's Authorities are pieces of jewellery and clothing, even in the original myth. It's easy to swap them around and happens a ot, like Nergal passing over Authorities to Eresh, and later Dumzid doing the same.
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>>4788683
>"But if you really want to make this up to me, I can think of a few ways." She has a mischievous smirk on her face as she says that.
Sakura is the sneakiest love interest, never lets go of a good opportunity
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>>4788833
That sounds heavily exploitable.
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>>4788831
Authority of Wishes or whatever Ilya has looks like scuffed version of Manaka's Connection to the Root, in that she can do anything but inefficiently, prob weaker but in practice.... or am I hyping up Wishcraft too hard?
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>>4788832
His greatest creation has surpassed all expectations. He'll certainly feel something when they meet. Not sure if it'll be happiness though. Might be pain.

>>4788835
She just wants us to be happy.

But yes
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>>4788687
It's been an hour, but I'll call in 20
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>Ilya can steal divinity by touch.
>Maid Ishtar in constant fear of Ilya giving her a hug.
I almost feel bad for her. Can it be turned on and off, or is it always on?
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>>4788841
Can Acht even feel pain?
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>>4788841
Illya wants to kill him personally.
Also, we relaly should ask how the maids are, we kinda forgot about then with all that shit happening.
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>>4788748
reformed* forgibneds ok :DDD
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So Ilya doesn't need a new body anymore then?
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>>4788845
Pretty sure we can make him feel pain if we try hard enough.
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>>4788794
A lot of Foreigners come with Divinity as a skill.
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>>4788837
Why do you think Gil is such a chad?

Collection is the way to CULTIVATORMAXX in Sumeria
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I only just now thought about it, but if we can just force incarnations for servants, we are basically ANY servant’s golden ticket for a life again.

Fuck the clock tower, we can basically get all the servants on our side when they learn they can stick around without a grail war.
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Does Ilya's Cage also stomp Grail Mud because its Angra Evil God stuff/degraded Tiamat stuff, or does her having to touch it make that not so great? Meaning that she herself resists it, not that she could control it.
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>>4788848
Good question.
QM, does illya still have a expiration date or not?
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>>4788851
I'm basing it on the fact that Lovecraft stuff here doesn't(?) seem to work like canon, as they are more like their actual mythos tier selves.
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>>4788858
That's something that will need experimentation, I'm afraid.
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>>4788840
Much weaker probably, but only until Illya eats enough gods to become omnipotent.

>>4788845
We'll find out next week. I hope the answer is yes.

>>4788846
Yep

>>4788848
I assume not. She's literally a goddess now.
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>>4788851
>>4788861
Yeah the Lovecraft stuff here is based more on their Mythos level of power.
Meaning that they are just fuckoff stronger than all the Earth Deities and are not even "true" deities for the sake of Illya's skill.

>>4788860
Check her height.
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>>4788865
She got a cm taller
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>>4788865
So she expires when she becomes tiny
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>>4788873
Yes, she can now age, but she's also a goddess, so she'll live for tens of thousands of years.
Say thank you to Ishtar.
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>>4788880
>Say thank you to Ishtar.
We'll tell Illya to give her a hug as thanks.
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>>4788880
>tens of thousands of years.
Those are rookie numbers, but we'll have time to fix it.
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So we just turning all our friends immortal with limitless potential?
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So I am looking at Vorechad Illya Servant-like stats and skills
>Divine Core of the Goddess (Grail): EX
>Thanks to the presence of the Goddess Ishtar within her and the subsequent exorcism, Illyasviel's body has undergone a somewhat extreme change, her body adapting perfectly to the form of a deity among the removal of the rogue goddess from her being. Whereas before she was designed to contain Heroic Spirits, Illyasviel's nature has changed somewhat into being a Divine Grail that was made to contain divinities.
>Whereas before, Illyasviel's existence could be called a miracle born of humanity, now she could only be called a miracle of divine creation, every aspect of her being has been enhanced, whereas before she was a frail and weak girl in all regards asides from her magecraft, now she is powerful in her own right, and her aptitude for magic has only increased thanks to her vastly improved magical energy.

>Wishcraft: EX
>A trait that Illyasviel was born with, allowing for the bypassing of magical theory in order to achieve any sort of effect she desires. However, this skill is incredibly cost inefficient, and requires a tremendous deal of magical energy to be used to any major degree, however, thanks to her status as a Pseudo-Goddess, she is capable of drawing upon a vast amount of energy, both from within herself and from the world around her, to emulate a form of Authority over Wishes.

>Cage of Divinity: EX
>A skill that seems to have originated from something other than the Goddess Ishtar, this skill allows for the perfect sealing of divinity within her body, which was already created to store the deceased spirits of heroes. The changes wrought on Illyasviel's body by the exorcism of the Mesopotamian Goddesses has granted her the ability to steal divinity from those she touches, the longer she touches them, the more their divinity fades and the more Magical Energy Illyasviel has at her disposal. A Demigod brought down to the level of a human would see their parameters drop, for certain, whereas a Divine Spirit or even a God touched by Illyasviel for long enough would simply cease to exist entirely and their divine core would be incorporated as part of Illyasviel's own.

And I am thinking about Emulation or Replication. With Einzbern connection to Third and her new Authority it does seems plasuable for her to be able to grant herself those powers.
Maybe Materialization or Manifestation? Free Third Magic?
>>4788829
If we go for Cage upgrade she could end up with her own Reality Marble.
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>>4788891
Do you even have to ask?
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>>4788880
Very nice.
Now ishtar deserves a punch and a hug from illya.
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>>4788880
Illya is now stuck at her current age apparance for an entirely different reason, though seeing as she's a goddess now, she'll likely learn how to change aspects of her body to choose her appearance.
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>>4788891
Obviously.
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>>4788880
>she can now age
>>4788899
>Illya is now stuck at her current age appearance
What?
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>>4788895
Oh gods i wonder how OP would she be if we gave her the class cards somehow.
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>>4788895
What about something like Soul? Absorb souls, take things from souls, convert souls, materialize souls etc.
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>>4788888
Why were the mechachads so angry that Stheno and Euryale didn't need to eat magic apples to stay young if they were robots?
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>>4788904
Well let me put it to you this way.
She can age, but her natural lifespan is now in the 100000 year+ range.
But seeing as she's a goddess with wish powers, she'll just be able to change her body as she wishes anyway.
So whatever.
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>>4788907
ask nasu
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>>4788899
i might have to become an Illyafag now
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>>4788813
I just love seeing Herk protecting Illya.
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>>4788912
so the same as our dragon daughter.
A loli for the next 20 lifetimes.
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>>4788916
Meh, i prefer loli illya, its more cute.
Adult illya is essentially just iri.
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>>4788907
Well, we know that Chaos coming here took 3 generations of Gods to cycle and Black Barrel can calculate their lifespan/rank of life, so...they probably have something.
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>>4788917
What, did the pack of wild wolves that Herc protected Illya from bring a fucking armory with them? What's going on here?
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>>4788923
Isn't that gil killing herc?
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>>4788920
Also, was this in LB or normal history? I don't remember, but they diverge as to what they are.
If its normal history, they probably got Revision'd into needing them, like how Hindu Devas needed Amrita from the Sea of Milk after they got super cursed.

As to why those two don't need it, its a mystery.
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>>4788919
well considering the women Shinji surrounds himself with... he seems to have a thing for older women
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>>4788923
something something artistic image that juxtaposes the initial meeting of Herc successfully protecting Ilya to one where he essentially failed to do so I guess?
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>>4788927
In a snowy forest and that outfit on Illya?
It's clearly meant to be when Illya summoned Heracles.

Also what won?
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>>4788930
Well, its good to have different things.
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>Zouken turned himself into a bunch of worms to stay alive.
>We stumble into immortality by accident.
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Mother-Daughter Bonding
Interlude Start


Sakura had been in the helicopter for some time with her new daughter now, and was doing a splendid job at teaching her, if she said so herslf. "You see, Alítheia, what we're in is called a helicopter! It's something humans use to fly!" Sakura was enjoying getting to spend some time with this girl... no, she shouldn't call her that. Alítheia wasn't just some girl. She was her daughter, or at least Alítheia recognized herself as such. Of course, Sakura wasn't about to deny it either, a part of her knew that this girl could only be her daughter, likely a result of the personality of the beast inside of her slipping through. Tiamat was the mother of all life, but more than that, she was a dragon. So it's only natural that Alítheia consider her, and as a result, Sakura, a parent. Not how Sakura would've wanted to have had her first child with Shinji, and she didn't really know how she felt like having to share the status of motherhood with Medea, but she liked Medea, as strange as it might sound. She considered her a rival for Shinji's heart, but the woman felt like somebody she could rely on... which when she thought about it, wasn't exactly the sort of feeling you'd want for a romantic rival.

"Helli...Koptur." Sakura had never seen anything like Alítheia's mental progress before, she started barely even capable of speaking Japanese and understanding words, yet now she was already grasping more complicated words and concepts. It made Sakura feel a little bit worried, it was selfish, but Sakura enjoyed the idea of having a daughter, and she didn't want Alítheia to grow up so quickly. She wonders if that makes her a bad person, to not want her children to grow up and to remain with her forever. Still, despite Alítheia's amazing mental development speeds, somehow Sakura knew that she wouldn't truly grow into an adult for perhaps centuries... She wasn't sure how exactly she knew that, but somehow she did.

"That's right!" Sakura smiled at her daughter. It odd to think of her as such, but she had already mentally recognized Alítheia as such. She wondered how she'd feel about having a true daughter with Shinji... Or at least one born the normal way... She blushed a deep crimson as she thought such lurid things. No, she couldn't think about such things in front of Alítheia!

Of course, the fact that she was now the mother of Shinji's daughter and he completely accepted that without question made her feel more confident in her own chances at his heart. If he were truly opposed to loving her that way, then he wouldn't have let Alítheia think that she was her mother too, right? Right?
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"Tell me more about Papa!" Sakura had managed to convince Alítheia to start referring to Shinji as Papa instead, she... didn't really have any reason for doing so other than she thought it sounded cuter and less formal than 'father'. It didn't sound like something a small girl like Alítheia should've been calling her father, honestly.

"Alright, Alítheia. Your papa is... well, he's my hero. I know that he'll never abandon somebody he cares about, even if he has to go through hell to save them." Sakura truly believed that. She knew that no matter how bad things got, she would always be able to rely on Shinji. He'd always be there. He'd make sure she had a happy life, she knew that. So... she wanted to make sure he had a happy life too. It wouldn't do him any good if he never stopped to focus on himself, she... she needed to teach him how to act properly selfish at some point.

"Wow! Papa sounds amazing!" Sakura smiled at the girl sitting on her lap. She hadn't even told Alítheia the half of it.

"That's right, he's...!" A searing pain on Sakura's left hand caused her to stop speaking and stifle a scream in her throat before she could make it. Her... Her command spells are burning?! Rider!

Interlude Out.
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>>4788932
>>4788714 won

And maybe Acht wanted it to be extra challenging in that timeline?
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>>4788938
>She wonders if that makes her a bad person, to not want her children to grow up and to remain with her forever.
That's some Tiamat Regression influence right there.
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>>4788940
Acht summoned Gilgamesh and sent him to hunt her down just for the extra challenge for Illya
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>>4788942
its honestly not uncommon with parents either
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>>4788938
>Right?
Right

>>4788942
I think it's pretty in character for her, actually. Minor Tiamat influence at worst.
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>>4788945
That's very true, but my first thought was Tiamat because Sakura already seems to have some bleed-through of knowledge etc, and Tiamat's entire Evil is based on it. Could be mundane, could be a reason for their compatibility in thinking and hosting naturally.
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>>4788949
If you say so, I'll believe it.
Would make sense if their thinking is compatible naturally as to be the reason they can have such a partnership even above the Nullification.
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>>4788905
>>4788906
Illya has Sorcery Trait of Wish-granting.
>It enable its user to recreate miracles by only emitting Magical Energy and without knowing how to perform them. Still bound to the limitations of the Magic Circuits. Illya has this Attribute because she was born as a Lesser Grail.
Now supplemented with Authority over Wishes from a contact with goddess.
She should also has her Mystic Eyes of Binding still. And those are very synergizing with her new powers of Caging.
Third Magic is also something she had in incomplete form. And with Grail of Heaven/Heaven`s Feel being
>Heaven's Feel is a magic that allows for the materialization of the soul (魂の物質化?), which stops the inevitable dispersion of the soul once it no longer has an anchor to the world, and essentially makes it transcend to a higher form of existence. It is a magic that realizes true immortality by making the soul into a high-dimensional planar being capable of interacting with the material world as a mental body without having to return to Akasha. The practitioner will acquire an unlimited source of magical energy due to the soul becoming analogous to a perpetual motion machine.
She has all the needed things to have Third and solve our problem of Servant Incarnation should we give her Materialization and by it restore Third Magic, making her true heir of Einzbern.
And her new ability to chain things and our understanding of inner works of Grail War and Servant summoning leaves me with solid confidence in some degree of something akin to Class Card if Illya can master enough understanding or get some help with rituals and souls.
We know Medea managed to get Sasaki in FSN with almost nothing at hand.

Acht is going to have a magical seizure.
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>>4788958
Yep, their thinking is certainly compatible, and it is certainly a reason this is such a great partnership for both parties.
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>>4788960
Should we try slapping the concept of Soul onto her when we are doing that later, if she wants it?
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>>4788968
How does it fit with Illya herself? Her personality and history, not her powers and what Acht wished her to be.
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So, out of all the characters you've made more powerful, which power-up has been your favourite?
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>>4788971
I, myself would say your powers and environment are a part of you but.

How would Soul fit Ilya without those considerations? I would say that it is relatively good for her, as the soul deals memory and is the source of life basically for beings with souls, and through magical circuits should be a way to influence the world, making your way of shaping the world, your power and what you use it for a part of it, along with your volition itself.

As far as I know, she definitely would've liked to live longer if she could, so her survival instinct and desire for life, and enjoying life should be good for it.
The memory aspect also comes in, in that she definitely keeps her grudge against Acht, and in other timelines against Kerry and co, she carries within her the Juzteaze series memories which is a kind of continuation of memory.

I would definitely say that your powers and being do influence on what would be a good concept though.

Does that make sense?
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>>4788986
Enkidu, just because its funny his power up is running away
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>>4788713
An interlude about Gilgamesh and Ayaka’s date (before it got rudely interrupted) would be nice I suppose. That and what this anon suggested >>4788734
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>>4788986
Chiyome, breaking an eternal curse and helping her free others that also suffer from curses is very cathartic.
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>Existences like Lugh Beowulf are similar to what the Third can accomplish, but he is a naturally occurring being.
A lot of powers.
>>4788968
>>4788971
>>4788993
Think about it this way.
We know her canon powers across timelines and her new powers.
We know her canon feelings across timelines and partially how she feel about us and how she wanted to have some power to feel adequate to other girls.
We know that now she has determination to deal with Acht and save other homunculi.
And we know quite a lot about Third and her connection to it
The way I see it the only true concept for her is Materialization. Of her own powers. Of Alcides/Heracles to protect her. Of her own limited magecraft creations she can make. Of Class Cards if she has memories of them because their nature should still be rooted in Third.
And a real power to materialize her own wish to be with her family and put an end to Acht.
Not unlike us with Matou magecraft and Zouken.
>>4788986
Vritra and Medusa both feel as much more intimate powers ups than the rest.
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>>4788986
Predictable, but I'll have to go with Sakura the host of Tiamat and her Nullification.
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>>4789005
Both soul and materialization will probably give her full control over the third i guess.
Unless someone find some german word with a better meaning.
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>>4788986
chiyome, she's a good girl who really deserved to have that curse destroyed
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>>4788986
chiyome
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>>4789005
I can accept Materialization as valid.

>>4789010
My only other wild idea, thats probably not good but it exists, is "Heaven".
This is based on the fact that the Third Magic, which is translated as Heaven's Feel usually, is originally Ten-no-Sakazuki, which would translate as "The Cup of Heaven" or "Reverse Moon of the Heavens" if rendered not as Heaven's Feel, so it...maybe, has some connection. And the Winter Saint epithet Juzteaze had. It also has connotations of saving her family, etc in my opinion.

But I am onboard with Materialization instead of chasing high concepts, so sure. Just throwing it out there.
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>>4789010
>>4789025
I feel like Materialization is more pro-active aspect of Third and use of it.
While Soul/Heaven would results in more passive powers of Third. Perhaps making her Incarnated Elemental like being but of Third?
>>4788986
Oh, and yeah Chiyome was most satisfying on personal level because of that we did.
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>>4789025
>>4789029
Yeah, unless we want to try "cup of heaven" or something.
Heaven seems very fucking wild to work, but i'm not sure.
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>>4788993
>I would definitely say that your powers and being do influence on what would be a good concept though.
I certainly agree. But I think our recent Concept discussions have been too focused on power and not enough on compatibility. We didn't give Liberation to Enkidu because it had anything to do with his powers, but because it was what he needed the most. That was our reasoning behind Hope for Obeithion too. We suggested Progress for Nobunaga and she chose Supremacy not because they had anything to do with her powers, but because that's what she strived for in life. We gave Suzuka Self-Determination not because it had anything to do with her powers, but because it best characterized her life and her choices on how to live it. We gave Asha to Vritra because it was an extremely compatible Concept with her and her mythology and more than filled the void in her soul. We gave Salvation to Nero because that was what she sought, and to nullify her potential as the whore of babylon. The last two were the only ones where power played a part, but it was a minor part .

As for justifying Soul for Illya, the only connection I see with her, specifically, is her keeping grudges and the continuation of Justeaze. I see these as weak connections. Everything else you said is true about everyone, so it cannot be a reason why this Concept is compatible with Illya.

>>4789005
I see Materialization as very much a stretch as well. Illya did not materialize anything, and she did not seek to materialize anything. Not her powers, not Alcides, ok kinda her Magecraft wireframes, and not her wish. Or rather, those things are not specific to her. Everyone seeks to "Materialize his own wish".

>>4789010
>Unless someone find some german word with a better meaning.
We only did that with Vritra. Why do we always have to go digging?

>>4789025
>Heaven
>This is based on the fact that the Third Magic
It is not based on Illya then. Illya is not the third magic. This is Acht's wish, not hers.

Illyafag, your thoughts?
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>>4789035
>>4789029
My only other reason to choose Heaven is that it may transform the Cage into an afterlife in and of itself or something, into a Heaven as an internal world, or at least its theoretically possible. Along with elevating her standing/power as a goddess.
The shitty demigods/Gods would, of course, be moved to a purgatory equivalent or be broken down.

Complete speculation of course, but it would be pretty good. Materialization would probably provide us with Servant Incarnation, but I can see Heaven itself having it, if for no other reason (granting a Miracle instead of a Wish?), than that a high enough standing may just let her lolAuthority it.

Does that make sense and go for the big one or stick to what is probably more certain?
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>>4789046
So you want to turn Illya into the Afterlife?
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>>4789048
I would be fine with turning her internal world into Heaven, so an exclusive club/subset of the Afterlife.
Would that be a bad idea? I could see some potential problems, but I am not sure they apply.
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>>4789046
Seems way too wild and unclear to try.
"heaven" is something with way too many meanings.
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>>4789051
Okay then, I wasn't planning on heavily arguing for it, just asking if it made sense.
Do you think Materialization should be fine then, or?
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>>4789050
>I would be fine with turning her internal world into Heaven
I would not. We'll give Eresh something else to rule, not Illya's inner world.
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>>4788986
I couldn't pick a one favourite if I tried.

I agree with fellow Anons about Chiyome, and we need to tell her we'd prefer her to live over dying in our service so she doesn't take too risky actions out of some misplaced desire to pay off her life debt.

But, Vritra's upgrade scene and the result was very nice as well, as was of both Saberfaces.
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>>4789053
Its the more safe option, or maybe the original wording of heaven's feel or cup of heaven.
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>>4789053
Now that I think about, Materialization may also improve her alchemy, if it has some roots in the type of alchemy that uses reification as a step.
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>>4789055
>>4789048
baka, no one wants cultivator Ilya with an entire internal world full of people?
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I want a update on queen ibaraki.
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>>4789073
Iba's comfy village and the endless festival of onis
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>>4789066
jade like beauty illya wuxia carnival monent
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>>4789073
Isn't Enhance with her?
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>>4789086
Dante is getting material for the Dead Apostle May Cry game he's going to be featuring in.
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>>4789087
Aylesbury?
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>>4789074
Yes
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>>4789074
Going to be a fun day for whatever poor sap Enforcer finds that while you're busy playing Hogwarts.
Especially considering that there are basically 300 Servant level beings just hanging around.
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>>4789100
One way or another, they are GOING to be the delivery boy for all the candy Ibaraki wants.
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>>4789100
Now this is an interlude I'd like to see eventually.
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>>4789100
now i feel bad
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>>4789100
We also need to find in-character that one of rin's friends also became a oni.
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>>4789115
well we're gonna go back and ask which ones wanna be turned back, I think Rin will notice if her normie friend is missing
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I'm very excited for Clock Tower shenanigans, feels like a nice mix of seriousness and slice of life, plus a good opportunity to only focus on a select few characters
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>>4789123
I definitely agree anon. Feels like a great reward for dealing with Manaka.
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>>4789126
>When you save the world twice in a week just so you can pretend to be Harry Potter in evil Hogwarts.
Honestly, I'm all for the Clocktower arc, it looks like it'll be a blast to write.
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>>4789132
You didn't think we were doing it for the normies, did you?
Glad to hear it. I really can't wait.
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You take a step close to Illya and swing your arms around her before you kiss her on the forehead. This earns you a murderous glare from a certain teddy bear that you only just noticed sitting on the end of the bed, but you don't give a shit what Kiritsugu thinks. You haven't forgiven him from going off to attempt to do some stupid act of heroism against the Einzbern and save Illya without any real plan. Had he just waited for some time, then rescuing Illya early would've been totally possible, and he wouldn't have been turned into a bear. Dumbass. While he might glare at you as you kiss Illya on the forehead, he doesn't make a move to stop you, apparently he's decided that taking action against the guy who just saved his daughter from complete ego obliteration might not be the best idea. A good thing too, because Tamamo would probably tear his arms and legs off if he did.

Illya is a little stunned by your sudden actions, so you take the opportunity to talk first. "I was Illya, how are you feeling? Are your... memories alright?" You're worried that Ishtar might've taken something of Illya's when she was forcibly evicted from her body, but judging from how things appear, it looks like the opposite might have ended up happening, it looks like Illya has taken more than she has given, she's... turned into an actual Goddess! You wonder how Alcides feels about this development...

"My memories...? A... few days in the Einzbern Castle are kind of fuzzy in some places, but... I didn't let that whore goddess take any more than a few of my most meaningless memories. She might've thought she had me on the ropes, but I knew that I had to prioritize my more important memories and only give her the most boring and useless days I possibly could, but I was feigning weakness whenever I let her take one of those days away from me, of course, the command spells allowed me to siphon some of the energy into myself too as an extra boost." A fiendish smirk appears on Illya's face. "Oh, but she can keep those memories of the magical procedures I was put through! I don't want those back!" She's clearly very happy that she managed to basically trick Ishtar into taking her suffering into herself, what a sly little devil this girl is! Well, she's in high spirits, at least. Still, you think there's at least a little bit of bravado behind her words. You don't just... resist possession from a Goddess like that, and while she certainly appears to be normal and fine, there's no real guarantee that she actually is.
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Still, seeing as she managed to basically steal a great deal of Ishtar's power upon the exorcism taking place, you suppose it's not impossible to assume that she took the memories she wanted back as well. "I'm so glad that you're alright. I would've gone to save you myself, but I couldn't take the risk of giving Zolgen any more time... this turned out to be the right choice too." You look Illya in the eyes. "If I went to save you myself, the chances are that Zolgen might've completed his ritual and destroyed everything in existence before we reached him and stopped him. So, I just want you to know that... if I could have, I would've have gone myself." You still feel kind of bad that you didn't show up yourself, even if it was impossible.

"It's fine, Shinji. Your new Servant was perfect for the job!" Illya says happily. "I didn't need you to show up personally, you know... just the thought that you went out of your way to have me saved when... reality was at stake is enough." Her voice becomes soft, and you break off from the tight hug to look at her, to examine her, she doesn't appear to have changed much, but there's... definitely quite a lot different about her. The power of a goddess radiates off of her body, and she appears to be... far stronger than she has any right to be.

"You... seem different, Illya. Are you... certain that there weren't any lasting effects of Ishtar's possession?" You're still just a little bit worried.

"Not to my mind, there wasn't." Illya looks very smug now. "Of course, I managed to take quite a lot of the power she had intended to use for herself, she changed my body to suit her own goals, yet when she was... removed and put into a bottle by your Servant, that power was... something I was able to use for myself." Illya sounds especially pleased with herself for having managed to totally get one over on Ishtar, and you can't really blame her for her smugness. "Actually, speaking of that bottle, where is it now? Have you decided what you're going to do with it?" Illya seems to want to know Ishtar's current whereabouts.

>"I gave it to Gilgamesh for safekeeping, but I'll go find him and ask if he can return Ishtar to me."
>"I don't have it on me right now, it's in Gilgamesh's vault. I was actually thinking of giving her a body so she could serve as a maid."
>"I'll go fetch her, I want to see if I can't determine if there are two goddesses in there after all."
>"I actually wanted to ask you if you'd like me to grant you a concept, which ought to strengthen you even further than you already are. (What concept?)
>Write-in...
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>>4789132
>hanging out with our best bro and sisterwife
>dabbing on inbred Magus
>giving Waver a stroke
Based
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>>4789132
Plus you won't have to micromanage like a gorillion characters with sheets
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>>4789138
>>"I'll go fetch her, I want to see if I can't determine if there are two goddesses in there after all."
>>Get Morgan and Rin
Time to chop chop chop and grab some Rins from dead timelines
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I say tell her about Ereshkigal being inside the bottle too, and ask about Maid Ishtar and possibly restoring Eresh.
I know she probably doesn't like Gods after that, but she's a victim of Ishtar too. I bet she'd thank Ilya for getting one over her sister.
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>>4789149
I am excited to hear how you plan to convince Rin to do this for you.
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>>4789138
>"I gave it to Gilgamesh for safekeeping, but I'll go find him and ask if he can return Ishtar to me."
>"I was actually thinking of giving her a body so she could serve you as a maid."
>"And I want to see if I can't determine if there are two goddesses in there after all."
>"I also wanted to ask you if you'd like me to grant you a concept, which ought to strengthen you even further than you already are.
>"You've been through a lot recently and this is not an easy decision to make, so think about it and tell me your answer if you ever decide you want me to grant you one."
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Gil and Enkidu shouldn't have any beef with Eresh, right? They seemed fine when I was playin thru Babylonia but that was a while ago
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>>4789152
>>4789149
Can't we just give Ilya Materialization and...materialize Eresh, if she is in there?
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>>4789152
Bribing her with Paracelsus and 1 billion yen worth of jewelry
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>>4789156
They shouldn't, yeah.
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>>4789157
Materialized Eresh and EreshRin are two different beings anon
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>>4789158
Well, yeah that'll probably go a long way.
>>4789157
You might be able to, but Eresh without the influence of a human body/mind/soul will be... Well, not quite as affable.
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>>4789157
Eresh without Rin reining her in may bit a bit too Yabai, as the kids say nowadays
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>>4789162
>Well, yeah that'll probably go a long way.
It'll still be pretty hard to explain why, especially if we haven't talked to Eresh or even confirmed she exists yes.
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>>4789162
Well if it's not we'll promise to do whatever she wants or get her the hope diamond or whatever
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Can we talk to Eresh through the bottle?
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We need to speak to eresh before doing anything.
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>>4789166
Then how about just saying that we know this can happen, and what effect it has? They can continue assuming clairvoyance or oracular visions.
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>>4789169
yup
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>>4789168
Ishtar understood us when we talked to her. I think we can make it work somehow.
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>>4789166
We can also stroke her ego and say that she has the willpower to reign in literal goddesses, and that we aren’t really worried that we're using alternate universe Rins since she's the only Rin that matters to us
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>>4789170
>"Rin! If I give you 1 billion yen's worth of jewelry and this alchemist from 500 years ago, can I have a few doomed timeline copies of you?"
You have a strange relationship with Rin.
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>>4789154
>>4789138
+1
but add
>hug her again before leaving to get the ishtar-in-a-bottle
>"i'm very glad you're alright, i dont think i would ever forgive myself if anything bad happened to you."
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>>4789170
>Hey Rin. This Sumerian goddess can possess you and obliterate most of your personality while keeping some of your better traits for herself. I want this to happen to an alternate version of you. You in?

>>4789170
Talk to Eresh first. We can maybe discuss about how we'll get Rin to go along with it without looking like a sociopath later.
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>>4789175
Well you're the one who floated the idea, most people just wanted to use puppet bodies
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>>4789175
>"Oh my god, they will die regardless, its better than just let then be erased by this retarded pruned timeline bullshit."
And yes, we do.
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>>4789138
Switching >>4789154 to
>"I gave it to Gilgamesh for safekeeping, but I'll go find him and ask if he can return Ishtar to me."
>"I was actually thinking of giving her a body so she could serve you as a maid."
>"And I want to see if I can't determine if there are two goddesses in there after all."
>"I also wanted to ask you if you'd like me to grant you a concept, which ought to strengthen you even further than you already are.
>"You've been through a lot recently and this is not an easy decision to make, so think about it and tell me your answer if you ever decide you want me to grant you one."
>hug her again before leaving to get the ishtar-in-a-bottle
>"i'm very glad you're alright, i dont think i would ever forgive myself if anything bad happened to you."

Will be easier for people to vote for a single write in with the addons
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>>4789178
Alright you have a good point, we can figure this out with the next vote, we can speech check it and not have to bribe her
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>>4789184
yeah, i guess so.

>>4789138
change >>4789177
to >>4789184
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>>4789184
Support this.
I also wanna ask Gil and Enkidu what they think of her.
Did Enkidu meet her when he died? Or did he not count as a person because Clay?
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Technically we could steal Logos React from Atlas or have Morgan+Para+Touko make a custom puppet with an optimal soul and mind as a host.
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>>4789189
>Did Enkidu meet her when he died? Or did he not count as a person because Clay?
Pretty sure it was less death and more 'unmaking'.
Besides, if Enkidu was in Kur, Gilgamesh would've probably invaded to get him back.
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>>4789186
Either we figure out how to speech check it somehow, or we don't even try. Bribing people so they can give you alternate versions of themselves to be egodeathed is definitely sociopath behavior.

>>4789192
>steal Logos React from Atlas
No. We want Atlas on our side. We can't be making enemies for no reason, and we need to start thinking about the long-term costs of our actions.
>Morgan+Para+Touko make a custom puppet
That was the plan until kidnapping other Rins to serve as meatpuppets was brought up as a possibility.
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>>4789192
Why do you need to steal a Logos React?
Morgan made it, as far as I know.
Hell, you could probably accomplish some crazy stuff if you had Paracelcus work towards rebuilding ELIXIR too.
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>>4789199
Morgan was just lent Logos React and she used it to recreate Saber's mind, as far as I know?
Thats why that part is called Atlas Contract. She was contracted its use.
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Atlas would be seething so hard right now if they knew about ELIXIR
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>>4789203
Add is replica of it, like how Sion had a Black Barrel replica.

Atlas is older than Morgan, and probably was extant in the fading AoG. Clock Tower is the new kid compared to the other two.

ELIXIR works though..
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>>4789203
Didn't she created the Logos React Replica too though?
Whatever, in this quest she created Logos React.
>>4789209
>Atlas is older than Morgan.
Yeah, but I can't see them having always had all seven of the Superweapons, that's silly.
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>>4789138
>>4789184
Support
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Calling in 10 minutes.
What's currently winning?
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>>4789184
Support.
What do we know about her personality, to convince her to join us?
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>>4789184
>>4789138
+1
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>"I gave it to Gilgamesh for safekeeping, but I'll go find him and ask if he can return Ishtar to me."
>"I was actually thinking of giving her a body so she could serve you as a maid."
>"And I want to see if I can't determine if there are two goddesses in there after all."
>"I also wanted to ask you if you'd like me to grant you a concept, which ought to strengthen you even further than you already are.
>"You've been through a lot recently and this is not an easy decision to make, so think about it and tell me your answer if you ever decide you want me to grant you one."
>hug her again before leaving to get the ishtar-in-a-bottle
>"i'm very glad you're alright, i dont think i would ever forgive myself if anything bad happened to you."

Is winning.
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>>4789226
Takes rules and her duties 100% seriously iirc. Benevolent to her subjects(the dead), gets fucked over a lot.
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Oh, and here's a new Carnival concept, sort of like the Grail War Speedrun, but it's one of the other characters that get replaced at the start of the war.
So Sakura, Rin, Illya or Shirou.
Maybe Medusa too.
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>>4789226
She's Rin but only the deredere part
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>>4789233
would that work as good? None of them know Shinji is supposed to be a scumbag and a failure
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>>4789236
They'd assume they were in some bizarro timeline.
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>>4789226
>Goddess of a bleak underworld
>Did not judge the souls under her care, she cared for them all equally
>Wanted to make them more comfortable
>Tried to grow flowers in the underworld to make it more difficult, failed
>Tried to get Nergal's authority over the Sun to make the underworld a brighter place, got tricked by Nergal and was given authority over plagues instead
>Tried to get Dumuzid's authority over sheep so she could give wool to the souls and make them warmer, got the ability to transform into something useless I can't remember instead
In short, she was a goddess who wanted to make the underworld a better place and got fucked repeatedly by other gods in her attempts to do it. She is literally the perfect choice for the underworld we were planning to make anyway, and what we can offer her will make us her favorite person ever.
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>>4789184
More hugging and more importantly, talking about radically changing Illya's being.
You're trying to get punched by a teddy bear, aren't you?
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>>4789233
I want to see mahou shoujo rin 1v1 gilgamesh
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>>4789234
So basically she's just Rin a few years into a relationship.
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>>4789240
Fuck the bear. We saved his life once, we saved his son, we saved his daughter, we're saving his life again. Kerry's lucky he's Shirou's and Illya's father, or he'd have gotten nothing from us.
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>>4789239
>Tried to grow flowers in the underworld to make it more difficult, failed
I meant more beautiful, how the fuck do you even make that mistake?
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>>4789242
in our future relationship yes
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>>4789239
>what we can offer her will make us her favorite person ever.
Just talking with Ritsuka a little made her fall in love with him.
After this, the 99/100 will be inevitable.
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>You're trying to get punched by a teddy bear, aren't you?
Good thing you have a loyal ninja hiding in your shadow.

Rest in Peace Shadow Bugs, left somwhere kilometers underground.
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>>4789244
We're also saving his wife, right?
I want pic related for once.
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>>4789255
we should talk to Archer more often honestly
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>>4789254
F
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>>4789253
Also, she dislikes her pampered sister who got everything without working, and she wants some appreciation for the dutiful work she did. We are her dream come true, and I don't even care this will be an instant 99/100. Poor girl deserves it.

>>4789255
We'll certainly try. I don't know if we'll be able to do it after whatever Manaka did to the grail.
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>>4789254
Are those shadow bugs drifting in Imaginary Number Space now or are they RIP?
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>>4789255
>Kerry with wine
God I can't imagine he's at all a happy drunk.
I can just imagine it now. "Shirley" this, "Natalia" that.
Keep him away from the liqour cabinet.

>>4789245
She was clearly trying to grow the bushes that kicked Alberich's ass.

>>4789253
Any Servant that falls in love with Ritsuka is possible to be charmed by anybody in existence. It's like talking with a cardboard cut-out that only says 2-5 word long responses to anything that is said to them.
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Huh. so Illya is physically stronger than Archer, huh? Pathetic.
Is he the weakest servant around now? Poor guy needs some power ups.
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>>4789262
Lets leave them in Imaginary Number Space.
Nothing could go wrong with that.
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>>4789268
>catgirl Rin is stronger than Archer
Oh no no no no no
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>>4789268
Archer can also reinforce himself, he just never does ever.
Then again, he mostly just boosts himself off of his own Noble Phantasms.
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>tfw you realize that Shirley was basically just Satsuki for Kiritsugu.
Oh boy, that'll be a fun meeting!
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>>4789268
If we go by the original counter guardian lore he's supposed to be six gorrilion times stronger than he appears as a servant, which invalidates the entire plot of fgo.
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>>4789327
Remember when Touko speculated it was Counter Guardians that destroyed Atlantis?
NOPE IT WAS SPACE ROBOT DEATH MACHINE!
Velber is the dumbest shit.
Why would you give your civilization purging machine a built-in level up system so it can be stopped before getting strong enough?

FGO can really only function if you pretend that Alaya is just completely braindead and that Counter Guardians simply no longer exist.
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>>4789332
>>4789327
Something something TLers thought Force of Deterrence=CGs, apparently not something something I'm too tired to remember.
I'll see how things turned out here after I wake up. Good luck with Rin.
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>>4789332
>FGO can really only function if you pretend that Alaya is just completely braindead and that Counter Guardians simply no longer exist.
There wouldn't be a story if Alaya just fixed the problem herself. So they have to ignore her.
At least you can summon counter guardians I guess.
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>>4789338
So why didn't Alaya just nuke the fuck out of Area 51 when it started to experiment of Space Aliens in such a way that the alien sent out a distress beacon?
Why didn't Alaya immediately purge the very obvious and very blatant threat to humanity?

Why do Counter Guardians even exist?
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>>4789343
Why didnt Alaya delete Angra Grail? Why did Gil, who knows the CF think his human culling plan will work or kill off humanity? Why did Araya nearly win? Why didnt 3rd Grail War get nuked et al? Why did it let the Aylesbury go off in Extra where it leads to humanity prob being culled?

CF was always wack and weak.
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>>4789343
we getting an update?
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>>4789370
Basically, it's just bad writing.
At least in the Tsukihime worlds it can just use Arc as a Beatstick on anything by making her go Archetype.
I don't know why Archer is so hung up about being a Counter Guardian, considering they apparently never do anything when it counts.
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>>4789372
Yes.
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>>4789374
Maybe Alaya just really likes murdering innocent people. More than doing her job.
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>>4789374
Even in Melty its like...This potentially could awaken CM Arc/Archetype. Why didnt it move Arc away or just nuke that TATARI instance?
Dust of Osiris?
Sending Arc there would be a danger by itself.
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"I actually gave it to Gilgamesh for safekeeping, I didn't want the bottle somehow breaking and her essence getting loose from it, but I'll go and ask him if he can return Ishtar to me, something tells me that he won't say no." Well, for starters, it's yours, and Gilgamesh isn't really the sort of person to steal from other people, especially not if he actually seems to like them somewhat. You reflect on how strange it is that of all things, you ended up becoming sort of friends with Gilgamesh, though you hesitate to say 'friend'. Gilgamesh is kind of hung up on Enkidu to call anybody else his friend, then again, you did save Enkidu for him, so that probably went a very long way to getting him to change his mind on acknowledging somebody else as a friend. You suppose you won't know Gilgamesh's actual thoughts on you until you actually manage to get a private conversation with him in at some point. Enkidu seems to like you a lot though, so that's something, at least.

"Oh, well, I suppose that's probably a good idea. I would hate to let that goddess escape from facing a suitable punishment." Illya's happy smile is disguising a true hatred and loathing for the goddess that tried to steal her body and absorb her mind. You can't blame Illya for wanting to get her revenge on Ishtar for what she did. "I might decide to see how long it will take before touching her unravels her existence!" OK that's a little more extreme than you were planning, but still a perfectly justifiable level of dislike, however...

"I was actually thinking of finding a way to give her a powerless body in order for her to serve you as a maid." You explain what your current idea for the goddess trapped within the bottle is. "Wouldn't you enjoy that? You could force her to take care of the horrible jobs that Sella and Leysritt dislike doing! A prideful goddess serving as a maid... on the lowest rung of authority, isn't it a suitable fate for her? Ishtar, the goddess who lived a blessed life where she was given all that she could ever ask for without effort, reduced to a housekeeper!" Honestly, you dislike the finality of death as a punishment, as there's not really any finality to it at all. Even if Ishtar is killed her or Illya uses her ability to absorb divinity to erase her, it wouldn't do anything to the true Ishtar on the Throne of Gods or on the Reverse Side or wherever the hell she's hiding out. No, it's far more satisfying to turn this Ishtar into a maid.
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"A maid, hmm? Well, I suppose that could be interesting... Yes, that would be very interesting!" Illya quickly warms up to the idea of turning the prideful goddess into a maid on the very bottom of the pecking order. Imagining being inferior to even Leysritt when it comes to authority is... pretty humiliating. Though Ishtar honestly deserves even worse than that. It's strange how Gilgamesh turned out in this timeline, and stranger still when you realize that his opinion on Illyasviel now is almost certainly going to be orders of magnitude greater than it was before. Considering that Illya as she is now is effectively an ultimate anti-god weapon. Sure, the Chains of Heaven can bind the Gods, and there are weapons that were created to kill Gods, but Illya's ability of caging the divinity of gods and erasing the individual deity is a supreme anti-god weapon. Something almost on the level of Orochi's Nega-Deity, if a little bit weaker due to the lack of range. Though unlike Nega-Deity, it seems that Illya's abilities are very much a permanent thing. You don't know if she can reverse the process or if she can choose to activate or deactivate it at will though, which means you might have to tell the divine Servants to be careful near her. You don't want her killing Tamamo accidentally or something.

"Well, there's one more thing I want to do with the bottle as well..." You begin to think back on the origin of Illya's ability that allows her to consume the divinity of gods...

"What's that, Shinji...?" Illya tilts her head, question you, clearly interested in just what you're getting at.

"Well, there's this thing with Ishtar see? Wherever she's summoned, her sister, Ereshkigal should also be summoned in the same body, though as a... recessive personality that is only allowed to come out when Ishtar herself is dormant. I believe that she was the one who granted you some of your current strength." Really, while you... don't like Pseudo-Servants in general, especially considering your recent experiences with them, Ereshkigal is one of the few you can tolerate, considering that unlike Ishtar, she's not a spoiled brat, and she simply only ever wanted what was best for her subjects. Of course, without the influence of Rin, there's a good chance that Ereshkigal will be quite a bit less friendly than you know her for being. Or at least more dangerous. Still, you're hardly about to go ask Rin if you can use her body for a Goddess to take for a joyride for as long as she wants. Well, maybe if you could get Ereshkigal to agree to some sort of 50/50 control over the body. Where half of the time, Ereshkigal would be dominant where Rin would be dominant the other half of the time... maybe.
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"Interesting..." Illya does sound genuinely interested by the fact that she might've been receiving assistance from somebody else the entire time. If it were truly the case that Ishtar were unable to completely subsume Illya into her own being thanks to Ereshkigal's interference, then you'd basically have no choice but to be eternally grateful to the Goddess of the Underworld for her work in saving Illyasviel. If you did end up losing Illyasviel, your spirit probably would've been crushed. You consider Illya to be one of the people that you absolutely must save, and seeing her die or be mentally erased would probably have an irreversibly poor effect on your psyche. You'd have probably endeavored at that point to give Ishtar the Roa treatment, instead of simply doing something like turning her into a maid.

"Oh, and one more thing... I need to ask you about whether you'd like me to apply a concept upon you by imposing a concept on the conceptual core of your being, it's a new ability that I've found myself capable, in which I can impose a concept onto something, and either grant them control over that concept, or empower them based on that concept. My abilities are why Chiyome was able to save you from Ishtar by exorcising her." It's lucky that you ended up doing what you did to Chiyome, otherwise there would've been simply no way for you to have both defeated Zolgen and saved Illya's mind from being taken by Ishtar. "I know that you've been through a lot recently, and this isn't an easy decision to make, so I want you to think about it before asking me if you truly want me to do it to you." You wonder what sort of concept would suit Illya the best, but you aren't just about to force one upon her, she deserves to make her own choice.

"I'll... think about it, it sounds like a big decision to make, and... I'm still getting used to these new powers I have already..." Illya loses a little bit of her confidence as you make a suggestion to alter her conceptual core, you don't blame her for being a little bit hesitant too, you don't know if it will even have the same sort of effect on a living person as it would on a Servant, then again, Illya has become something like a divine spirit now, so you simply don't know what sort of effect it will have.

You hug Illyasviel one last time, and the teddy bear has its arms crossed as it glares at you now. Eat shit Kerry, you'll do whatever you feel like doing, and if that includes hugging Illyasviel after saving her life where you failed again, you will.
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"I'm very glad that you're alright, Illyasviel. I don't think I would ever be able to forgive myself if anything bad happened to you." You consider yourself quite close to Illya, after all, even if you haven't spent all that much time together, you always adored whenever you did get to spend time together with the girl before the war started. She deserves to be made happy, and the side-effects of this possession seem to have gone at least some of the way towards allowing such a thing to happen. You break away from the hug and leave the room. "I'll see you in just a moment, I'm just off to find Gilgamesh." He shouldn't have gone that far, he's not exactly a difficult person to find.

However, only a few seconds after you leave Illya's room, you bump directly into Rin. "Watch where you're going, Shinji!" She shouts, annoyed at the collision.

>"Rin, do you think it would be possible to bring forth versions of yourself from doomed timelines with the Second True Magic?"
>"Oh, Rin! I've been meaning to talk with you, I wanted to ask you about your progress with the Second True Magic."
>"Have you met Paracelcus yet? I'm quite certain he's the perfect teacher for you."
>"How would you feel about becoming a host to a goddess? Or at least, how would you feel about a parallel version of yourself becoming a host?"
>"Sorry, Rin, I was just on my way looking for Gilgamesh, have you seen him?"
>Write-in...
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>>4789459
>>"Oh, Rin! I've been meaning to talk with you, I wanted to ask you about your progress with the Second True Magic."
>>"Have you met Paracelcus yet? I'm quite certain he's the perfect teacher for you."
We should probably ease into things so she's more receptive to what we want to do
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I mean, If they're still alive I wouldn't want to submit them to ego death.
If it works on Rin corpses then I guess I'd be fine with it.
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>>4789469
i keep thinking about that one Paradox Carnival skit where Sakura said that Rin views her alternate selves as expendable
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>Prelati apparently tries to mindbreak Richard by forcing him to watch Fate/Zero
Well, now I'm glad you're planning on permakilling her.
Forcing somebody to watch Zero is way worse than simply dooming the world.
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we could also say something like
>I wanted to float an idea by you about two goddesses I have kept in a bottle and this will only really work if you're fine with it
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Alright, good night everyone.
Try to think of some good concepts for everyone. See if you can't think of ways to make some of your already too strong allies even stronger.

I kind of feel bad for how outclassed Luvia is compared to Rin now.
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>>4789485
can we give Arc a concept?
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>>4789490
Is there any reason you wouldn't be able to?
At this point, I've just decided that you can concept up whoever you want, it's more interesting this way.
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>>4789493
seems pretty easy to make her busted and just steam roll everything for us
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Can't we take the power and item from Ishtar and give it to Rim without a personality change? Then shove the ego into Illya's maid.
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>>4789499
we can probably just talk it through with Rin, does she want to chance it and get goddess powers? It might effect her personality we have no way of knowing
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I mean, if we shove Ishtar into a Rin body she eventually will mellow out and could become an ally. Gilgamesh would eventually forgive her that way if Babylonia is anything to go by.
But I do find the idea of pulling an alive Rin and killing her really fucked up.
QM said this>>4786278 , so I kinda wanna know if Ishtar would still chill out if it was just the body without killing a Rin's ego.
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>>4789510
it doesn't really kill her ego, its just two souls sharing a body, you kinda need that to make Ishtar chill the fuck out
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>>4789510
I mean, if its a rin from a doomed timeline its the same thing, they will die regardless.
>>4789518
In ishtar's case its one melting into another to create something else.
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>>4789519
it does feel like its something we should let Rin decide, she's the one who kinda makes this thing work out, maybe she goes our way if we help her out first. Plus she might like the idea that she can something that we can't and that she can contain two Goddesses
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>>4789510
I'm thinking we can just do something similar to Illya. Take the divinity, skills and maybe items and pass it to Rin. Then take the personality and pass it to a doll. So we get out maid and Ishtar Rin.

Or we could do a Sakura and use a concept that allows her to take command.

It was also an option that using the kaladeosword to kill Ishtars ego while Rin gets the power.

>>4789459
>"Rin, do you think it would be possible to bring forth versions of yourself from doomed timelines with the Second True Magic?"
>"Oh, Rin! I've been meaning to talk with you, I wanted to ask you about your progress with the Second True Magic."
>"Have you met Paracelcus yet? I'm quite certain he's the perfect teacher for you."
>"How would you feel about becoming a host to a goddess? Or at least, how would you feel about a parallel version of yourself becoming a host?"

In the omake Sakura comments that Rin probably wouldn't care as much about alternative versions of herself. Of that's canon then we could use a doomed timeline version. She is going to die anyways might as well use her.

This also let's Rin make the choice if she wishes to become a pseudo goddess of she doesn't wish to pass it on.
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>>4789528
i think you should take out the first part but we should make it so the choice is entirely on her after we do her a favor
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>>4789459

>"Rin, do you think it would be possible to bring forth versions of yourself from doomed timelines with the Second True Magic?"
>"Oh, Rin! I've been meaning to talk with you, I wanted to ask you about your progress with the Second True Magic."
>"Have you met Paracelcus yet? I'm quite certain he's the perfect teacher for you."
>"How would you feel about becoming a host to a goddess? Or at least, how would you feel about a parallel version of yourself becoming a host?"
>"Sorry, Rin, I was just on my way looking for Gilgamesh, have you seen him?"
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>>4789528
>She is going to die anyways might as well use her.
That depends on what "doomed timeline" entails. Pulling out a aware Rin, and then putting in Ishtar or Eresh while she screams in agony would be the same thing that happened to Ilya. I don't wanna do that to ANY Rin.
Were it a braindead Rin or something of the sort I would be fine with it I guess.
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>>4789525
Of course, i dont mean doing it without rin because we need her to get more rins and i care about what she thinks about this plan.
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>>4789537
I was using the doom timeline thing as another option.

>>4789539
Doomed timeline is probably FSN badends or about to be pruned timelines. She is gonna die anyway. Putting Ishtar into one is atleast allowing her to survive. Especially if we have them share 50/50 in exchange.
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>>4789340
>Bro's the counterforce isn't Alaya's taskforce it's her personal friendship squad She's lonely bros
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>>4789563
I mean, if they shared 50/50 then it would make the Maid thing kinda weird, since Rin didn't to anything to Ilya.
If it were on Eresh then it might not be as weird, but we'd have to ask both the Rin and Eresh herself if they'd be fine with it...
Fuck it, just ask our Rin what she thinks first.
Also, it's near impossible to find images of just Rin and Eresh without Ishtar.
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>>4789577
We can also just have ishtar inside a bod without rin, we just need her for punishment anyway.
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>>4788895
Wow WhatIs where did this additional vorechad character come from?

Not a fetish or anything just a coincidence for the 10th? Time
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>>4788907
They rust. Please understand
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>>4788960
Of course Ilya is SOUL
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>>4789591
I already suggested we just take the Divinity and power leaving the personality to go in a puppet.

Besides Illya wanted something else it was Shiji who suggested the maid thing. It wouldn't be the first time he's changed his mind mid decision. Especially with something pragmatic.

We also could just put Rin in the driver's seat instead.
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>>4789478
Hey. Zero's not bad.
Still better than Extraverse shit.
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>>4789648
Zero's utter shit. So is Extra, aside from Extella, which, while mediocre, had some neat themes in it.
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>>4789648
Zero fails because Uro couldn't color within the lines
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>>4789674
>Uro couldn't color within the lines
Care to elaborate?
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>>4789675
He turned Saber into a fucking retard thats obsessed with honor which isn't at all in line with the kind of person she was in life who raided her own towns and villages to supply her army or in FSN when she slit Archer's throat before he could even properly defend himself. She also isn't the type of person that would "lose" to Iskandar, the same guy who's empire immediately fell the moment he died because his dumbass couldn't do the most important thing a monarch is supposed to do and leave an heir. Absolutely no one was able to get through to her actually, not her knights, not her family, not even Shirou, she herself had to come to terms with everything but for some reason another complete failure was able to lecture her about her flaws as a king
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>>4789465
>>4789459
Changing my vote
>>"Oh, Rin! I've been meaning to talk with you, I wanted to ask you about your progress with the Second True Magic."
>>"Have you met Paracelcus yet? I'm quite certain he's the perfect teacher for you. I can put in a good word for you if you'd like"
>>"I have some jewelry coming in soon, if you can keep this a secret, you can grab as much as you want for your research"
>>"I actually wanted to float an idea to you, I want to try something with a certain goddess Gilgamesh has stored somewhere and you're really the only person who could make this happen."
I think this works best, kinda sweetens the pot, strokes her ego and we don't really come off as a sociopath
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>>4789343
>Why do Counter Guardians even exist?
To job.

>>4789478
This is hilarious.

I like Zero.

>>4789528
>She is going to die anyways might as well use her.
This is fucked up. We're talking about condemning a Rin to a fate almost as bad as what happened to Illya. It might not be OUR Rin, but it is still A Rin. Even if she would die anyway, pseudoing her is essentially torture. It'll be the most sociopathic thing we've ever proposed. Our Rin will not like it. Just as she won't like sharing her body. Who would? I see no reason at all to bring this up, not before we talk to Touko and Morgan about less horrifying alternatives.
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>>4789459
>"Oh, Rin! I've been meaning to talk with you, I wanted to ask you about your progress with the Second True Magic."
>"Have you met Paracelcus yet? I'm quite certain he's the perfect teacher for you."
>"Sorry, Rin, I was just on my way looking for Gilgamesh, have you seen him?"

Don't bring the goddess possession thing up at all. We haven't talked to Ereshkigal yet, or even confirmed she exists. And I'm pretty sure Shishou will be able to cook up what we want without condemning a Rin to being a meatpuppet, or having our Rin be a meatpuppet half the time. We can talk to Rin again later if Shishou can't do it.
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>>4789714
wouldn't we just be asking Shishou to make us a meatpuppet of Rin instead? That actually sounds worse, maybe ask her her opinion of this instead of finding out after we do that
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>>4789719
We'd be asking Shishou to make the goddesses new bodies and talking to her about what exactly we can do with those bodies and these souls. Shishou won't begrudge us the idea. If it turns out meatpuppeting a Rin or making a Rin meatpuppet is the only way, we can bring Rin in on the loop then. No reason at all to make a rushed decision about this. It's not like we'll be having Shishou make puppets while the world is in danger.
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Back just in time.

>Hero Creation (Copy): EX
>Methods to create a hero learned from Merlin, though Morgan isn't quite naturally as talented as Merlin was, she is capable of using this skill to temporarily copy and grant a Class Skill or the majority of Personal Skills from one Servant to another. This however does not include any of her own skills.
>In addition, this skill can be used to make artificial homunculus copies of heroes, should Morgan gain a reproductive sample of her target.

Morgan can make good body for Ereshkigal.
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>>4789726
Rin homunculus as a meatpuppet is only marginally better than a Rin as a meatpuppet. And
>should Morgan gain a reproductive sample of her target.
>The target is Rin
ewww

But we can talk to Shishou AND Morgan about what we want to do before we talk to Rin, they have far more experience in dealing with this kind of shit than us. Good thing you brought her up.
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>>4789726
>In addition, this skill can be used to make artificial homunculus copies of heroes
It does just say hero and Rin isn't a hero

>>4789722
Its required that we use Rin, Eresh chills the fuck out if and Ishtar stops being a massive bitch if they use Rin's body, either we ask Shishou to make a puppet body of Rin or we ask Rin to use the Second Magic, either way, Rin has to be brought into the loop now, may as well sweeten the pot so she's receptive to the idea
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>>4789735
>Its required that we use Rin
Is it? I don't see why. We want Ishtar punished, not becoming more affable. And making Eresh more affable is nice for sure, but everything she did that makes her a good choice for Queen of the Underworld she did it without Rin's influence. Even if Shishou and Morgan can't do it and we do end up needing a Rin to change their personality, we can talk to her then, telling her that we exhausted all alternatives and she is the only way.

Though I will then be arguing we shouldn't do it at all.

>Rin has to be brought into the loop now
No she hasn't. We should confirm our options first before sounding her out on the most sociopathic one. Sweetening the pot doesn't make it less sociopathic, we're just attempting to bribe her to go along.
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>>4789739
>We want Ishtar punished, not becoming more affable
ok then we want two different things then nevermind
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Are we putting Kerry back into his body after this?
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>>4789747
yeah why not, as long as we're doing body swapping stuff
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>>4789743
I really don't see it as a good idea to have Illya bully a rinface when from the point of view of everyone else in the world there is absolutely no reason to make her a rinface other than the fact that we wanted it.

Even so, do you have anything against talking to the people who can pull this off before talking to Rin about meatpuppetting?

>>4789747
Probably, yeah.
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>>4789750
I'm not even asking her to do it, I'm just saying we float the idea to her, its not even a request, its more just seeing if she's okay with it, if she isn't we can just go with plan B
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>>4789752
>I'm just saying we float the idea to her
And I'm saying we shouldn't even float the idea right now, because it's a sociopathic idea (I hope no one disagrees about that, at least), and there's no good reason to have it be our first resort just because we bumped into Rin before we bumped into Shishou.

Let's talk to Eresh, then talk to Shishou and Morgan, and then MAYBE talk to Rin. She is the last person who should be brought in on this.
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>>4789754
you're also putting way too much stock into her thinking less of us since she's a Magus and the user of the Second Magic, its par for the course. I have no interest in just randomly torturing Ishtar either, its retarded, putting her into Rin's body actually makes it more likely that she'll want to help out one day
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How about going like this:
1. Rin here is shitload of gems so you don`t have to steal from your less lucky selfs and cool teacher for your magecraft
2. I have an idea about your connection to other Rins through Second and their collective pool of knowledge. How about we consult Touko and Morgan about creating method of immortality for you with use of spare bodies?
3. I also happens to come across a perfect test driver for one of them who will also add up to your pool of knowledge and useful items all of which well belong to you because of Second Magic Supremacy you have other inferior copies
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>>4789756
that's actually a great idea, maybe she could be able to draw power from Eresh and Ishtar without having to cut out their divinity holy shit, this would be a great powerup for her
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After all this talk about moral objectionability of pseudo servants let's not make it a plan of any order to turn our friends into one.

We can discuss puppets with Touko or in fact ask Betty to create a suitable vessel, can we not? And we'll need one for Tesla, too, anyway.
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>>4789755
>she's a Magus and the user of the Second Magic, its par for the course
I'm not just putting stock into what she will think about the sociopathic idea. We were talking about having the vore inquisition visit mages who sacrifice people to do what they want. How is this any different? And stealing jewels and copying knowledge from other Rins is an order of magnitude less sociopathic than having them meatpuppeted.

>I have no interest in just randomly torturing Ishtar, its retarded
So you think making her a maid is torture and retarded? I have to say I disagree on both.

>>4789756
>consult Touko and Morgan about creating method of immortality for you
Is this a lie? Don't we just want her to steal doomed other Rins to be meatupuppeted? And if it's not isn't talking to Rin about 2nd magic immortality a little premature when she's had it for so little time?

>>4789763
Agreed, yes.
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>>4789763
like vessels as in copies of Rin or just vessels, because what's the point then? Rin makes Eresh and Ishtar nicer and easy allies, rando vessels would make them crazy and antagonistic
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>>4789763
>ask Betty
Actually having Betty with Azathoth`s powers and Sakura with Tiamat`s powers for a talk with Ishtar should be enough to crush any will to resist from here.
>>4789765
>Is this a lie?
No? It is interesting idea to propouse which helps Rin, us and make anons who want Ishtar/Ereshkigal happy.
We don`t know if it is possible or not. And personally have no experience with this kind of magecraft. Touko was able to do it in her own way but it was specificaly mentioned that we can`t do that kind of thing oursevles.
Rin`s connection to other Rins and combination of pretty big range of magic might be able to brew solution we want so it is correct way to address the issue without going out our way for "dump me a body of dumber version of you from some dead end timeline please".
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>>4789768
I'm afraid I'm with Sakurautist on this one, summoning or creating a Rin just to use her as resource to mix up with a goddess is plain wrong, in fact it's wrong to everyone involved. And besides, resulting Tuvix would be a different person so any treatment they'd get would be undeserved, one way or another.

Blank slates is all they should get. For Ishtar so she can make up her invasion by serving Illya, for Eresh so she can have good things happen to her for a change.
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>>4789777
I can't disagree then. 2nd magic immortality is not a bad idea if it's not just a ploy to bring up the meatpuppetry thing. But I still disagree about bringing up the meatpuppetry thing, even as a testbed for immortality.
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>>4789778
you're expecting a lot from Eresh anon, she's only so nice because of Rin's influence
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>>4789781
>she's only so nice
We're not making her Queen of the Underworld because she's nice. We're making her because of >>4789239 and she did literally all those things without Rin's influence.

We didn't care if Shuten or our other evil allies would be nice. Certainly not enough to change their personality to make them nicer. Why do we want to do this to Ereshkigal and Ishtar, and especially why do we want to sacrifice Rins to do it?
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>>4789048
The cunnychads win again
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>>4789459
>>4789714
Support. Gonna have to agree with the autist on this one. Lets not grab a parallel Rin also I just want to interact with Touko.
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>>4789710
Rin doesn't care about parallel Rin's why should Shinji. Even if we don't take her she's dead or worse then dead. Plus we've seen with Illya and Sakura that the god doesn't have to be in the driver's seat.

If you look at the omake with Sakura in FGO she makes the point Rin would see it as expendable. Of that's opinion is canon or not is why we ask. It doesn't hurt to ask especially when your rebuttal is based on our Rin's feelings. She can always reject the it since we need her to pull it off.
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>>4789459
>>4789714
Support
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>>4789459
>"Oh, Rin, excellent timing! I wanted to thank you for amazing job you did yesterday and that favor I owe you as I said back then."
>"I would like to properly introduce you to Paracelsus today. Have you met him yet? I'm quite certain he's the perfect teacher for you because of nature of his magecraft. He is also less of an asshole comparing to Clocktower magi."
>"I would also like to gift you any number of gems you want because I don`t want to coerce you into “borrowing” from your other selves."
>"And I was speaking with Illya just now about that useless goddess who tried to steal her body. You remember that I told you about having some prophetic visions about other timelines? Well, you see in some very weird ones Ishtar and her sister Ereshkigal are on good terms with other Rins and those other Rins are hosting them."
>"I have three interesting proposals for you because of it. First, I want to ask you if you are aware of method Shishou uses to give herself limited immortality with spare bodies? I think with your newfound control over Second you might be able to achieve something like this too. Morgan might be able to make some compatible bodies for it if you are interested. Second, I am under the impression that your control over Second allows you to dominate any other Rin, right? Perhaps even those unfortunate ones hosting those goddesses I told you earlier about? If you are fine with first idea maybe we could use test body to host Ishtar allowing you to siphon her powers too? I wanted to punish Ishtar by making her serve Illya as a maid but if we can get something more out of it is even better. Third, I have Plan B if Ishtar won`t cooperate in any way we want. You can use any good compatible catalyst to strengthen Kaleidosword, right? How would you feel about jamming it in? Ishtar inside Kaleidosword, I mean."

Here is my autistic write-in going over all possible solutions and making it up to Rin.
Third idea was mentioned by WhatIs himself as valuable option few threads ago.
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>>4789795
yeah i agree, its not like we're asking her to do it, we're asking her if she'd be ok with it, which is completely different, plus, she's the only one that could make that sort of thing happen
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>>4789800
>>4789707
>>4789459
yeah this one is great, support, this works out nicely
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>>4789800
I don't think the puppet idea works, it would have to have Rin's soul to make FGO Ishtar.

Even if she can siphon power from Ishtar Rin it won't make a difference. She already has unlimited power just not the output.

We have a bunch of casters that can design an empowerment ritual. We could just as easily ask them to sperate the divine power from Ishtar and add it to Rin.

The original options are to see if she wants to take a risk or shove it into a Rin that will die anyway.
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>>4789459
>>4789800
Support
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>>4789795
>especially when your rebuttal is based on our Rin's feelings
Then you haven't been reading my rebuttal at all. Rin's feelings are only part of it. Pseudoservants are inherently horrifying, there have been numerous discussions about this in the past. We JUST saved Illya from this. Even WhatIs agrees about this. And we are looking into ways to make our own pseudoservant the first chance we got. Why? Just because people like Ishtarin and Ereshrin?
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>>4789763
Are we telling her to do it or asking her? Your acting like she can't say no and there aren't ways to put her in the driver's seat.

We already have two people that are basically stealing the power of servants without losing there personalities.

Give her the option instead of making the decision for her. Considering the many casters we have that can make it possible.
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>>4789813
>Pseudoservants are inherently horrifying
nah

>>4789809
anons have already made up their mind, we just gotta hope that its Rin who's body we use as a base otherwise there's no point in giving Eresh a body, she's a psycho unless she uses Rin but certain anons just don't wanna hear it
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>>4789800
>You remember that I told you about having some prophetic visions about other timelines
Have we really ever talked to her about that? I don't remember it.
>are on good terms with other Rins
That's not exactly how pseudos work, is it?
>Morgan might be able to make some compatible bodies for it if you are interested
2nd magic is interacting with parallel worlds. How does Morgan making more bodies fit? This is just Shishou's method, soul switching and all, except with Morgan's homunculi instead of puppets.
>I wanted to punish Ishtar by making her serve Illya as a maid but if we can get something more out of it is even better
I disagree. I completely disagree. We JUST told Illya we'll be giving her a maid, let's not immediately go back on our word just because of powergaming.
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>>4789815
that too, we're not twisting her arm, we're asking her if she's willing, if she isn't then we can come up with another way, there's no crime in asking
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>>4789813

You obviously have been nitpicking my argument as well. Sakura and Illya two different ways they have been able to use the power of gods.

Shinji also.mentikned being able to create an empowerment Ritual using Casters. Why do you think it would be like FGO Ishtar Rin instead of a new one with Rin taking all the power?

Illya was able to absorb a portion of that with the only side effects being from what was deliberately done.
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>>4789189
Enkidus corpse was in Kur.

Kingu woke up in it and left, it's then missing in the Babylonia singularity
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>>4789193
He accepted it and moved on, the soulless husk still has all of Enkidus memories which causes Kingu ptsd when they start bleeding in around Gil.
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>>4789239
Deer and snakes from Dumzid
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>>4789809
We are not that well versed in those kind of magecraft so I think bringing in up to people who can make something out of it is fine way to approach it. If Touko, Morgan and Rin can`t think of anything it is dead end for now.
Outright mentioning using dead bodies of other Rins is a bit more callous than how we approach things normally.
And maybe using Ishtar in Kaleidosword will just switch Magical Girl form to Ishtarin form? Who knows. Either way powers of Ishtar and/or Ereshkigal will definitely widen Rin`s options in a fight regardless of how she gets them.
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>>4789820
>nah
In this entire discussion today, it's the first time you brought up that you don't find them horrifying. Why do you think it's ok for a god to meatpuppet a body after munching on a soul? And do the other anons really agree with you about this?

>anons have already made up their mind
Have they?

>she's a psycho unless she uses Rin
Is she? Why? Literally everything she did to make the underworld a better place she did it without Rin.

>>4789824
>Sakura and Illya two different ways they have been able to use the power of gods.
Yeah, but we're not talking about doing this at all. The discussion is about having Ishtar and Ereshkigal pilot Rin meatpuppets, just like Ishtar tried to do with Illya.

Empowerment ritual is a different idea, not really as horrifying. But we already had discussed this, you've brought this up before. We already told Illya we'll give her the goddess as a maid and no one objected. Do you really want us to disappoint her and immediately go back on our word to give Rin a powerup she doesn't need?

>>4789831
Fucking gods.
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>>4789821
We may have just told Illya something but that wasn't what she wanted but what Shinji wanted. She only agreed because it was Shinji asking.

Shinji has changed his mind about things before and this isn't an unbreakable promise made. Illya would likely be happy if Ishtar is punished either way.

If we separate the power of Ishtar and her personality before sealing her in a doll it's the same. If Rin agrees and gets the power while destroying or eating the ego that is likely fine. If shes trapped in a dead or dying version of Rin it's a useful underling.
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>>4789834
>If we separate the power of Ishtar and her personality before sealing her in a doll it's the same
I certainly won't disagree about that. But in that case, it should be Illya who gets the power, right? Why give it to Rin?
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>>4789459
>>4789800
Support
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>>4789833
Do you really think this is the meat puppet option based on what's been discribed of Shinji's personality? He's likely to find a way to make sure Rin is piloting.

When he was leaving didn't he think about a 50/50 control for the blonde and that's the one he liked.

If you think it isn't clear enough you can alwaysake a write in that will clearify it instead of just saying no to even mentioning anything.
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>>4789833
>In this entire discussion today, it's the first time you brought up that you don't find them horrifying. Why do you think it's ok for a god to meatpuppet a body after munching on a soul? And do the other anons really agree with you about this?
Because pseudoservant are literally never described as such in canon, whatever thoughts you have about it aren't supported in the actual story

>Is she? Why? Literally everything she did to make the underworld a better place she did it without Rin.
Rin makes Eresh chill the fuck out, without her, she becomes full on yandere and never wants her love interest to leave the underworld, she's still a goddess and thus psychotic, Rin's body makes her easier to placate and to get on our side

>>4789821
stop being so autistic holy shit, Illya just wants Ishtar to be punished, your acting like she'll hate us forever if we change our minds on this one thing
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>>4789840
Simple Illya is already sitting on enough power at base.

One of the big reasons why we don't give Rin anymore servants is without the stock she can't support it. This fixes the problem and empowers her at base.
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>>4789370
Was Void manifesting there in part Alaya working as intended?

They flip flop between just enough strength to quell a problem and just nuking everything from orbit too often.

What's the point in having multiple jannies with varied skills if all they do is nuke a place though? I imagine they're ment to be a tool kit
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>>4789821
>Have we really ever talked to her about that? I don't remember it.
Was brought up by our allies pre-Temple assault. We never went into full details about it.
You wanted to tell Truth slowly? Here is a small step.
>That's not exactly how pseudos work, is it?
It is how it works for FGO sometimes and WhatIs made it so look at >>4784472 and >>4784474 parts.
The exact agreement is irrelevant to our situation regardless.
>2nd magic is interacting with parallel worlds. How does Morgan making more bodies fit? This is just Shishou's method, soul switching and all, except with Morgan's homunculi instead of puppets.
Parallel Rins made with bits of Second. As I said we have no idea if it works or not. I believe we have solid ground and you don`t. This is why we are asking specialists and not using Truth right away to do it ourselves.
>I disagree. I completely disagree. We JUST told Illya we'll be giving her a maid, let's not immediately go back on our word just because of powergaming.
We are throwing in ideas. Illya want Ishtar to suffer and be humiliated. If Ishtar end up being vored or used as battery alongside being a maid it is even the better of Illya.
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>>4789842
>Do you really think this is the meat puppet option based on what's been discribed of Shinji's personality
I'm thinking it's the meatpuppet option based on what anons have been saying. They are the ones apparently disregarding Shinji's personality on this.

>>4789843
>Because pseudoservant are literally never described as such in canon
There have been many, many talks about pseudoservants. Even WhatIs finds them horrifying. Your headcanon is not relevant here. They possess a body, displace the soul, and take on a few traits.

>Rin's body makes her easier to placate and to get on our side
Perhaps. But sacrificing a Rin is too great a cost.

>stop being so autistic holy shit, Illya just wants Ishtar to be punished, your acting like she'll hate us forever if we change our minds on this one thing
Stop being so autistically fixated on getting Ishtarin. Illya wants to punish Ishtar herself. Having Rin eat her will be like having Illya kill Kotomine. And giving her a Rin meatpuppet to pilot is extremely sociopathic. And can it with the hyperbole, Illya won't hate us forever certainly, but you're delusional if you think she won't be disappointed if we give her revenge to Rin.

>>4789844
Rin already has the second magic. There are other ways to empower her if we really want, but I don't think it's necessary. I especially don't think it's necessary to do it using a goddess that Illya has a personal grudge against for very good reasons.
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>>4789848
>Was brought up by our allies pre-Temple assault. We never went into full details about it.
>You remember that I told you about having some prophetic visions about other timelines
Then this is a lie. We never told her anything about having prophetic visions. Our allies brought it up among themselves while we were eavesdropping.

>If Ishtar end up being vored or used as battery alongside being a maid it is even the better of Illya.
Illya will certainly want to do it herself. That's what she proposed. Do you not think she will be disappointed if we give it to Rin?
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Posted half the post by accident. Fuck it, I won't delete the other one.
>>4789848
>The exact agreement is irrelevant to our situation regardless.
It's very relevant when we're talking about having other Rins meatpuppeted by godesses. The original personality being in there doesn't mean all that much. There have been numerous discussions about this in the past.

>I believe we have solid ground and you don`t
I believe even proposing the idea shows a fundamental lack of understanding on what the 2nd magic does, a lack of understanding that Shinji hasn't shown before. Rin will correct us immediately, but why even propose it like that? Just leave it vague, without Morgan's involvement at all. That's the part I object to.
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>>4789849
Rin may have the second magic but she isn't always in it and hasn't studied it extensively.

Plus she's limited by her magic circuits on how much she can draw. Just like how Sakura can maintain so many servants because she has Tiamat pumping all the time. Rin cant do what Sakura is doing and can't draw more power then her circuits output. With a divine core and unlimited Mana from second magic she has a lot more breathing room.
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>>4789841
Samefag
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I find it hilarious how we distrusted god despite him being the most reasonable diety we talked to so far. Yet some anons here want eresh without rins influence. Why? Are we trusting gods all of a sudden? Is it because she's a girl? A goddess affection if left unchecked is very dangerous just ask orion and look at our tamamo.
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>>4789863
>Rin may have the second magic but she isn't always in it and hasn't studied it extensively.
Then the solution is to help her study it more extensively. Para will already be teaching her. She will become more powerful with a divine core, no doubt about it. But why go for an unrelated power up for her when she's already pretty damn strong and will only grow stronger? Why not just enhance what she already has? And especially why give her THIS divine core, the only one that Illya will really want for herself?
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>>4789500
The risk of a human trying to channel a divine authority is they explode like when Muramasa swings scuffed Kusanagi, Bryn invokes a Primordial Rune etc.

Shinji can wear her pretty crown and water dress as he handled Ares Sash fine.

Shinji chan will rise again
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>>4789866
its because she's a girl wtih a sad story and apparently they don't understand that Eresh only becomes reasonable when she uses Rin's body
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>>4789864
Samefag
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>>4789867
Illya doesn't want the divine core for herself. She wants Ishtar to suffer, otherwise she would have pushed more against Shinji's suggestions.

Second we don't have time for extensive study when we have four days until the final fight.

Third by giving Rin this power up she will be able to channel more power at once plus Ishtars multiple blessings in a fight. She'll also be able to handle more servant contracts even when she leaves second magic mode.
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>wanting to dilute Ereshkigal with Rin's personality
Boring, give me the full autistic goddess of underworld experience.
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>>4789853
>Then this is a lie.
By this definition we lied to Satsuki too because we never mentioned her being from VN.
We can: Tell Truth and mindbreak people as you said yourself before, rub it in slowly in small bits with small bits of Truth or lie through our teeth and keep making secrets pile up.
Our allies are not retards and can put 2 and 2 together.
>Illya will certainly want to do it herself. That's what she proposed. Do you not think she will be disappointed if we give it to Rin?
We have no idea which variation can work or which one our allies will agree on. It is their call.
I am personally fine with that ever they go for.
>It's very relevant when we're talking about having other Rins meatpuppeted by godesses.
We are specificaly not going for "Yo, Ishtar, go vore that extra Rin we just teleported here" or applying concept of Rin to Ishtar-in-bottle. We are just telling our Rin that it was a thing.
>That's the part I object to.
I am 100% certain that we lack full understanding of any of True Magics and can try to bring up using them and other magecraft to achieve desirable results.
Kaleidosword was not something we expected and Rin using it harness powers and knowledge from other Rins.
>>4789866
YHVH and Nyarly are the most sane and benevolent gods in the setting. For us at least.
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>>4789867
It's like how Shinji couldn't use the unlimited Mana of magical boy mode because his circuits and body limited him.

Rin will have the same issue and given decades could probably develop the skill to overcome that restriction like Touko but short term nope.

This would be Rin's version of the divine circuits power up that allowed Shinji to do more.
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>>4789866
And I find it hilarious that anons are suddenly fine with us sacrificing people as meatpuppets when any other magus doing that would get a visit from the vore inquisition. Why? Is it because Ereshrin and Ishtarin are hot?

Literally everything Eresh did to make the underworld better she did it without Rin's influence. Why do you think she's crazy?

Let's just talk to Touko and Morgan first before we talk to Rin about the sociopathic option. We'll at least be able to tell her then that we've already exhausted all options.

>>4789874
>Illya doesn't want the divine core for herself
>"Oh, well, I suppose that's probably a good idea. I would hate to let that goddess escape from facing a suitable punishment." Illya's happy smile is disguising a true hatred and loathing for the goddess that tried to steal her body and absorb her mind. You can't blame Illya for wanting to get her revenge on Ishtar for what she did. "I might decide to see how long it will take before touching her unravels her existence!
>"A maid, hmm? Well, I suppose that could be interesting... Yes, that would be very interesting!" Illya quickly warms up to the idea of turning the prideful goddess into a maid on the very bottom of the pecking order
This is what Illya wanted to do before we proposed the maid, and she really liked the maid. Do you REALLY think she won't be disappointed that we're giving her justified revenge to someone else as a powerup?

I don't doubt Rin will become more powerful if we do this, though the nigger has raised some very valuable objections. But she's plenty powerful already. And she did that with only a day of studying the second magic. She doesn't need Ishtar's core, and I'm sure it wouldn't be a proposal if not for Ishtarin. No one's proposing giving Morrigan's core to Rin, for example.
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>>4789878
>By this definition we lied to Satsuki too
What the fuck? It's a lie because of the "remember that I told you" part, because we've never told her anything. Revealing prophetic visions is a different discussions but it will be the first time we talk to her about this.

>>4789878
>It is their call
>their
It is Illya's call. Rin should have no say in this. If we pressure her, she'll probably agree to give it to Rin. She'll still be disappointed, and I still think it'll be better Ishtar to Illya as a maid instead of Rin as a powerup. Even if we do decide to reverse course and use Ishtar as a powerup instead, it should go to Illya.

>I am 100% certain that we lack full understanding of any of True Magics
We know enough. We know it works with parallel Rins. Morgan's homunculi are not parallel Rins. (And did you read how she makes them? I want you to try talking Rin into that).
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>>4789883
Rin is relying on the kaladeosword to do the heavy lifting not her own knowledge. That takes decades not days to work out.

The paragraph you just printed has nothing to do with her wanting the core. She wanted to destroy Ishtar Rin until the maid suggestion. So no she doesn't care as long as Ishtar suffers. Plus it's a pragmatic option which Illya has been shown to take. It's not going to be the end of the world if we change maid to being bored by Rin.

The whole humans can't channel divine argument won't matter once Rin is strengthened. Of that's the argument your referring to.

Lastly we are giving Rin the option. Last time we gave Rin an option she took it further and created the kaladeosword. She'll likely innovate with this to once she knows it exists.
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>>4789887
If your going by people who are wronged being the ones who should end things then that's what got us in to Zouken trouble. We eventually ended that with very little Sakura.

Besides your making an assumption that can be easily cleared up if we bring this up to Illya as a better idea. It punishes Ishtar and empowers an ally. Likely she'll take the pragmatic option.
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>>4789714
>>4789459
+1
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>>4789459
I like it, I’ve been procrastinating too long on what to vote for, I want to sleep and I’m pretty sure my previous post just got eaten so supporting >>4789800
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>>4789889
>That takes decades not days to work out.
Did you see what she can do with only a day's study?

>The paragraph you just printed has nothing to do with her wanting the core
It has everything to do with it. Illya absorbs the core of those she unravels. She wanted to kill Ishtar herself, and absorb the core herself. We talked her into a lesser punishment for Ishtar that will be more fun for Illya.

>>4789889
>The whole humans can't channel divine argument won't matter once Rin is strengthened
Yes, that is the argument I'm refering too. That strengthening IS Rin channeling divine. Why do you think the nigger is wrong on this?

>that's what got us in to Zouken trouble
No. It is not. We've talked about this before, man. What got us into trouble was splitting up and sending Alcides to babysit Rin while she broke Kirei's bones. We DID NOT wait for Sakura then.

>Likely she'll take the pragmatic option.
I am sure we can convince her to. But it will STILL disappoint her, and it is STILL the boring option compared to having Ishtar as a maid.

Now, if you want Rin to have a divine core, can we talk about giving her Morrigan's core? Or does it have to be Ishtar's specifically to satisfy you?
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>>4789832
Either way she'll have to dress like a whore for power, kek.
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>>4789887
So I partially remembered that scene wrong?
Nigger also had it in Satsuki`s confession write-in I recall. So I will also support correct wording by WhatIs or other anons like he did.
>It is Illya's call. Rin should have no say in this.
>We have no idea which variation can work or which one our allies will agree on.
If we go with vore plan, part-time Illya`s maid and part-time battery Ishtar or any other vesrions it is call of all people involved in it. Illya has priority since it concerns her more but it is for whole faction benefit.
>We know enough. We know it works with parallel Rins. Morgan's homunculi are not parallel Rins. (And did you read how she makes them? I want you to try talking Rin into that).
>"Rin, I need you to teleport me some genetic materials from other world to create very specific clones..."
We are talking about magi here. Even more restrained ones will sell their shit to Mage`s Association if it can help them.
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>>4789876
So you want this?

kawaii
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>>4789904
We don't even know what Morrigan would give or if we can capture her, Bazett would likely keep it.

As for the human issue that isn't really an issue since we know Ishtar Rin exists.

GM already started that leaving Zouken alone to get Gil's Wifu is what fucked us not the number of people.

For what she has done in a few days it's the kalt not her own abilities. Without the sword she can't weld the magic yet. That will take decades. She isn't likely to get more powerful in four days. Otherwise she's have no need to grumble about getting a teacher to match Shinji's skill.
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>>4789883
What do you think happens when you show affection to a goddess who doesn't know it and didn't recieve it in life? I'm not saying eresh is crazy without rin's influence I'm saying that without rin's influence she turns into a yandere and we have enough of those. If you want to see how crazy 100% goddesses are when it comes to love in fate look at amaterasu and artemis.
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Anyway. I mostly want to avoid outright meappuppetery with body snatching from other timelines and still have good list of possible variations of how to use Ishtar to get most benefits out of her. Provided all concerned allies are fine with it.
>>4789912
We are headpatting it hard.
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>>4789909
>So I partially remembered that scene wrong?
Yes. We stepped out, I don't remember what for. We eavesdropped when we got back. They talked about it by themselves, Medusa proposed the Oracle theory, Archer said something about how knowing one's future would change anyone but the most stubborn individual, Rin said she didn't believe it (though I imagine she'll probably not be so sure now). Archer and Medusa then hoisted us in to scold us for eavesdropping. We didn't tell them shit.

>part-time Illya`s maid and part-time battery Ishtar
Pretty sure it doesn't work that way. It'll be either maid or battery, not both. Do you really want the boring powergaming option instead of the fun "have Illya bully maid Ishtar" one?

And even if it's battery, it should be battery for Illya, not Rin.

>Illya has priority since it concerns her more but it is for whole faction benefit.
I think it should be Illya's call only, with faction benefit or anyone else having no say in it whatsoever. And I think that because we can convince anyone of anything, so we'll essentially be taking the decision off Illya's hands if we go down this route. I don't want to do that.

>We are talking about magi here. Even more restrained ones will sell their shit to Mage`s Association if it can help them.
Rin is not like that, but I will concede she'll be fine stealing genetic material from other Rins, if a bit disgusted we proposed it. I still don't think it'll work with the second magic. Having different bodies in the same reality and switching is third magic shit, and a reason that Touko is the closest to understanding it.
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>>4789904
As for the core for Illya she wanted vengeance not power. She isn't thinking about the core.
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>>4789918
The genetic material won't work it needs Rin's soul. Whick we can get from a recently dead Rin.

As for Rin not being like the rest. Just because she's soft doesn't mean she won sack things for power. She kills Shirou in a few bad ends. Sakura in the omake comments on how she'd see an alternate version of herself as expendable. She steals Gems from other Rin's that can save their lives etc. Just because she's soft doesn't mean she isn't a magus.
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If you want Ishtar's powers you can make her pathetic and useless with Ereshgikal's help or just take off all 7 of her authorities. This exact thing happened in the descent to Kur in Babylon, and it's based on an event in myth too. All of Ishtar's authorities are gifts from daddy dearest and other gods who simped to her. Alone she's absolutely pathetic and weak enough she's practically mortal.

>Following Ereshkigal's instructions, Neti tells Inanna she may enter the first gate of the underworld, but she must hand over her lapis lazuli measuring rod. She asks why, and is told, "It is just the ways of the underworld." She obliges and passes through. Inanna passes through a total of seven gates, at each one removing a piece of clothing or jewellery she had been wearing at the start of her journey,[186] thus stripping her of her power.[187][175] When she arrives in front of her sister, she is naked:[187][175]

She has the Boat/Bow Maana, a rod which is her bond CE, her crown, and a few other things including necklaces and bracelets that I've forgotten the name of that all act as wearable authorities.

She should be naked in this photo but tv audience pls think of the advertisers
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The only thing you need to worry about with stripped naked Ishtar is her natural charisma manipulation from Manifestation of Beauty. But just get her a sunwukong style sign that also makes her repulsive enough so that no one simps to her even.

Have it function like naked apron like one of those jannie signs wagies wear when shilling pizza or something
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>>4789925
Problem is humans can't use those without their body goes through renovations. If Rin can get a of that without voring Ishtar then we wouldn't need this debate.
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>>4789931
She can grind them up and put them in the Kaleidosword though?

Shinji could wear them.

Ilya could succ the Divinity out of them, dull them a bit but make them wearable by a human
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>>4789914
>since we know Ishtar Rin exists.
Ishtar is in charge there. I thought we didn't want to have Rin meatpuppeted?

>GM already started that leaving Zouken alone to get Gil's Wifu is what fucked us not the number of people.
This is still not us waiting for Sakura. It is also false, because if Alcides was with us we could have killed Orochi right there and then. Delaying to give Gil his date changed nothing.

>For what she has done in a few days it's the kalt not her own abilities. Without the sword she can't weld the magic yet
She won't suddenly lose access to the sword. She'll only get better with it. And Para will be tutoring her. She WILL get even better.

>>4789921
Yes, exactly. She wanted vengeance. And you're giving her vengeance to Rin. How will se feel about that?

>>4789915
So then you just want Eresh to meatpuppet Rin just because you don't like her personality. Before we even talk to her. Well, I think I've already said all the reasons that I disagree.

>>4789916
I really don't see any reason we should be discussing going back on our word to Illya right after we gave our word to Illya. Especiall since we're having this conversation only because we bumped into Rin.

>>4789924
>She steals Gems from other Rin's that can save their lives etc. Just because she's soft doesn't mean she isn't a magus.
Do you really see no difference between stealing jewels and stealing Rins to be meatpuppeted? You keep repeating Sakura's comment, but you seem to have forgotten how Sakura first reacted. THIS is how just about everyone will react when they first learn of this. And I don't imagine, say, Shirou will be ok with it, even if Rin does see other Rins as completely expendable meatpuppets

>>4789932
I would not object to giving Ishtar' jewels to Rin while we give Ishtar herself to Illya as a maid. But do the jewels get manifested automatically? And won't we have to beat her down again if she manifests with her full authorities?
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>>4789934
Her artefacts aren't her gem magic jewels. Ishtar's problem is she needs plebs to give her jewels as offering as she lacks golden rule, so she's permanently pleasing old men just like Rin for her expensive magic.
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>>4789935
Alright. Pretend I said artifacts when I asked about how we get them. So, how do we get them?
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>>4789912
This in a human vessel, yes.
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>>4789934
let her out in the underworld bound by Enkidu and Tartarus if you really must, she won't be able to do much.

Gil + Clae double Enkidu would be plenty if you want to force it, or just trick the idiot into giving up a few so she's weak enough to manage. She falls for it constantly.
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>>4789918
Found that scene. We used Sakura to get out of sticky situation by shrugging of the issues and derailing the talk.
I was certain that we voted to tell at least something that time. Oh well. I did incorrect wording in write-in.
But given how yesterday we told people how we worked with Nyarly to get Medea back I am thinking she though about that talk quite a lot.
I will wait for WhatIs`s judgment on it.
>Do you really want the boring powergaming option instead of the fun "have Illya bully maid Ishtar" one?
We will see how it goes but I would love to get as many advantages as we can to counter Manaka.
Right power in the right place saved Sakura from getting overwritten.
>Touko
And this is why I had her in write-in as well.
Let people who specialize in it put their mind into finding a solution. Not a lot of people in Nasuverse can bolster about having so many super smart magical users on theri side at the same time.
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>>4789939
Ishtar is currently in a bottle. How do you propose we go bottle -> underworld -> Strip Ishtar of her authorities? Because I thought we'd want to manifest her without those entirely, so she'd have nothing for us to take.
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>>4789937
Alcides would enjoy removing them, shame he doesn't have Reincarnation Pandora, but he'd manage without I imagine.

He'd love to rapechad and strip bear a goddess who possessed Ilya, liberate her of all her Authorities and leave her useless. It's his thing, he did it to Hippolyta and never regretted it as she deserved it for being a woman divine
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>>4789944
She's still a curse. Chiyome ofuda ring gg
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>>4789940
>Let people who specialize in it put their mind into finding a solution
I would support a new write in where we grab Touko, Morgan and the bottle and discuss things in Illya's room. I imagine we'll need them for Kerry's soul transfer anyway.

>>4789946
>>4789948
Yes, I get how we can strip her of her artifacts that represent her authorites. But how do we get an embodied Ishtar that still has those artifacts to be stripped of? That's my question to you.
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>>4789846
There was some weird things in the KnK GO event about the void ghosts/preta things being extremely scuffed version of a potential Monster of Alaya, with similar death stuff as a Shiki might have, which Shiki herself kills. So its even more confusing than just R.Shiki potentially being CF intervention as a human
I guess this may tie psychics into the CF more explicitly later down the line.

Whats even winning in votes/being debated between?
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>>4789950
Open the bottle in an ofuda ring with a temporary empty shell for her to use for the conversation. "Bargain" with her and her reactions and compliance will result in her having a better outcome this won't actually change, just trick her she's an idiot

Alcides, Gil and Enkidu at the ready.

She can't do anything and her temp host body will be designed to be so weak it can only manage to materialise her Authorities, not allow them to be used without disintegrating.

Between Touko and Morgan I'm sure they could whip something up that is fit for purpose.

Also give it a time limit lifespan as a failsafe, and or a killswitch.
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>>4789955
nfi I'm just throwing out options for abusing ishtar effectively
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>>4789935
Imagine lacking Golden Rule (Self)

>>4789946
>Reincarnation Pandora
He would've gotten it if you left him in Manaka's funtime dungeon for long enough.

Also, you can probably have Rin target Rins moments away from bad stuff like in Sword and Magic, or Femme Fatale, or when Kuzuki punches her head off...
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>>4789955
>>4789714 (You) and >>4789800 are our current options, though I think we'll be having a new write in shortly.

>>4789956
Alright, I can't disagree. It's a good idea that gives us a maid AND powerup. Will you write something about us grabbing Touko and Morgan and proposing this?
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>>4789959
You may as well, I'm trying to track down what each of her 7 Authorities do as they're either only mentioned in passing or are abstract things from the mythos. I want n idea of the full set
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>>4789950
Do another write-in proposal then. With all those things included.
We have plenty of Casters and Touko. And Rin since it concerns her too even if she is not aware of it yet.
Tamamo is also really good at those things.
We can bring all those options to them together and menthion using Kaleidosword.
I also consider first parts of my write-in just as crucial as torrent of ideas since I want to be nice to Rin after she did a lot of heavy lifting for us and we promised her good things.
And she is still holding Iskandar for us too.
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>>4789961
There's a reason we took him first.
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>>4789961
That's still kidnapping Rins to be meatpuppeted. The fact they were doomed anyway makes it only marginally better.

>>4789963
>>4789966
Will do. Give me a few minutes.
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Could Morgan be good at stealing shit? She did steal Avalon and thats usually inside Artoria, isnt it?
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You can divvy up the 7 authorities too. Split them between Ilya and Rin, save a few as presents for the wives, who knows.

Unga Bunga beat stick warhammer:
https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Seven-Headed_Warhammer_Sita

>"Boat of Heaven Maanna" which is both an airship and an enormous bow. Maana is the boat of the gods that soars across the Mesopotamian World, and it is also an interstellar teleportation stargate (gate) that connects between Earth and Venus, but because she is a Pseudo-Servant, except during the occasion of using her Noble Phantasm, its warp function is normally sealed.[1][2] Maana was regarded as the fastest object in Mesopotamia, even by Gilgamesh the first time he saw it.[12]

Enki is a big fag
>Inana possessed the gifts of Me, the powers of music, wisdom and art. Enki was originally in charge of these gifts. The gifts were stored in his "worship center" at Eridu. Inanna complained that she, the female principle, did not receive enough power. She used the old wineskin trick and got Enki drunk and got him to give her the powers. She took them to her worship center at Erech. When Enki sobered up he tried to recover them but did not succeed.

So she has an authority item related to these. It might actually be the Crown that she uses, or a composite part thereof.

I'd assume she has some form of bracelet? Or footwear? That grants her EX Riding and gives her command of all beasts which allowed her to control Gugalanna who is technically Eresh's first husband, I guess after he became the constellation Tauros then Ishtar begged daddy dearest to bring him back to earth so she could have a tantrum about Gil saying thot begone
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>>4789972
Space Ishtar has some hints to her nasu Authorities iirc.
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>>4789966
>Tamamo is also really good at those things.
So, we want Touko, Morgan, Rin and Tamamo? I also think we shouldn't mention any specific options to Rin before we've gathered everyone, what do you think?

Don't want to change it again later if we can help it.
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>>4789976
That's probably after she became the queen of the universe and took An, Enki and Enlil's everything

I'm trying to find her lower tier stuff as this is not just curse!ishtar so all authorities will be degraded, but it's Ishtar pre universal ascension
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>>4789968
>That's still kidnapping Rins to be meatpuppeted. The fact they were doomed anyway makes it only marginally better.
Pseudo-Servants are mostly a case-by-case basis. Most Heroic Spirits and Divine Spirits are assholes who basically suppress or devour the soul of their host, but they can live in unity if the Spirit doesn't do that.

>>4789971
Morgan is a fairy so I guess she just used that to her advantage when stealing Avalon.
She also managed to sneak into Camelot to stea Arturia's semen so stealing Avalon would kind of be easy.
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>>4789977
Medea is also good at it.
Sakura has Tiamat so Ishtar will listen to her better.
And Betty can create bodies to host something with ease.
Karna can confirm Ishtar intentions, I guess? That about all I can think of right now.
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>>4789978
Its mostly about the Crown thing, don't take Ishtar to Space Ishtar 1 to 1. I think that version is (or got revision'd) to be from actual Venusian civ instead of Earth. The divergence for that world was like 15 billion years ago.
>>4789972
Neither Gugulanna nor Nergal are Eresh's husbands in Nasu so those parts of myth are ????
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>>4789982
pure virgin goddess please insert SQ
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>>4789977
>I also think we shouldn't mention any specific options to Rin before we've gathered everyone, what do you think?
And yeah. Lets just collect everyone and tell them all together whole list of options.
Since WhatIs might make doomed Rins useful without extra grimshit here if Ishtar is properly put under our boot?
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>>4789968
Would giving them an offer they can refuse be ok with you?
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Eresh is the older sister btw. Even more resentment watching daddy's little whore get everything she asked for and more
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>>4789459
Switch >>4789714 to
>"Oh, Rin, excellent timing! I wanted to thank you for amazing job you did yesterday and that favor I owe you as I said back then."
>"I wanted to ask you about your progress with the Second True Magic."
>"I would like to properly introduce you to Paracelsus today. Have you met him yet? I'm quite certain he's the perfect teacher for you because of nature of his magecraft. He is also less of an asshole comparing to Clocktower magi."
>"I would also like to gift you any number of gems you want because I don`t want to coerce you into “borrowing” from your other selves."
>"And I was speaking with Illya just now about that useless goddess who tried to steal her body. I was just on my way looking for Gilgamesh, Sakura, Medea, Touko, Morgan and Tamamo, have you seen them? And would you mind coming along, your input and perhaps your Second Magic will be valuable here."
>"How's Iskandar, by the way?"

>>4789981
Illya's room is going to get pretty crowded, but I can't disagree. I don't think Karna is necessary yet, we can have him confirm later if we want. Ishtar will be intimidated enough.

>>4789986
I suppose, yes. I can't really object if it's of their own free will. But will we really tell them "be a meatpuppet or get sent back to hell"?

>>4789990
While she dutifully wageslaved for eternity, no less.
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>>4789986
Man, when you think about it, it's still pretty fucked up.
Three options are
>Become host of a goddess.
>Live in new world as an inferior copy to the other you.
>Go back and die.
Yeah, if you go the Pseudo-Servant approach, you're definitely going to need to hash out an agreement with both Eresh and the other Rin.
As Shinji.
Good luck!

This is just for Eresh right, not Ishtar too?
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Finally, found something concrete.

>Inanna dresses elaborately for the visit; she wears a turban, wig, lapis lazuli necklace, beads upon her breast, the 'pala dress' (the ladyship garment), mascara, a pectoral, and golden ring, and holds a lapis lazuli measuring rod.[176][177] Each garment is a representation of a powerful me she possesses.[178]

So I'll leave authorities up to WhatIs. They'll be degraded due to being curses but she should have a full kit considering.

That actually means she has more than 7 to steal, plus Maana.

FSF Ishtar has yet to reveal Maana though, so she may not have it.

The portal to Venus it contains could be funny if used well.
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>>4789995
Some people really want Ishtarin too.
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>>4789459
From >>4789800 to >>4789992
Althoug maybe it would be better to gather in workshop right away.
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>>4789995
It's just an isekai offer to various Rins.
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>>4789995
That's what you get for being otherRin and not ourRin, basically a middle link between an NPC and a person.

Everything is fucked up once you start meddling with parallel worlds.
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I want to slap Enki for being such a fag holy shit.

What a worthless creator God. Tell Gil the original user of his segmented dildo is a massive simp IC please Jesus Christ.

Dumuzid is fucking based however, he married this whore but he treats her like one too.

>Three days and three nights pass, and Ninshubur, following instructions, goes to the temples of Enlil, Nanna, An, and Enki, and pleads with each of them to rescue Inanna.[189][190][191] The first three deities refuse, saying Inanna's fate is her own fault,[189][192][193] but Enki is deeply troubled and agrees to help.[194][195][193] He creates two sexless figures named gala-tura and the kur-jara from the dirt under the fingernails of two of his fingers.[194][196][193] He instructs them to appease Ereshkigal[194][196] and, when she asks them what they want, ask for the corpse of Inanna, which they must sprinkle with the food and water of life.[194][196]

>When they come before Ereshkigal, she is in agony like a woman giving birth.[197] She offers them whatever they want, including life-giving rivers of water and fields of grain, if they can relieve her,[198] but they refuse all of her offers and ask only for Inanna's corpse.[197] The gala-tura and the kur-jara sprinkle Inanna's corpse with the food and water of life and revive her.[199][200][193] Galla demons sent by Ereshkigal follow Inanna out of the underworld, insisting that someone else must be taken to the underworld as Inanna's replacement.[201][202][193]

>They first come upon Ninshubur and attempt to take her,[201][202][193] but Inanna stops them, insisting that Ninshubur is her loyal servant and that she had rightfully mourned for her while she was in the underworld.[201][202][193] They next come upon Shara, Inanna's beautician, who is still in mourning.[203][204][193] The demons attempt to take him, but Inanna insists that they may not, because he had also mourned for her.[205][206][193] The third person they come upon is Lulal, who is also in mourning.[205][207][193] The demons try to take him, but Inanna stops them once again.[205][207][193]

>Finally, they come upon Dumuzid, Inanna's husband.[208][193] Despite Inanna's fate, and in contrast to the other individuals who were properly mourning her, Dumuzid is lavishly clothed and resting beneath a tree, or upon her throne, entertained by slave-girls. Inanna, displeased, decrees that the galla shall take him.[208][193][209] The galla then drag Dumuzid down to the underworld.[208][193] Another text known as Dumuzid's Dream (ETCSL 1.4.3) describes Dumuzid's repeated attempts to evade capture by the galla demons, an effort in which he is aided by the sun-god Utu.[210][211][e]
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>>4789995
>Eresh
Definitely.
>Ishtar
Depends on how it goes and how many other options our Caster can think of.
You proposed putting her inside Kaleidosword yourself. So I am thinking you want us to do so and have ideas about it already drafted.
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>>4790004
and Dumuzid did nothing wrong, can't blame him for giving Eresh a shit authority it was ishtar's fault he was even dragged down there in her place.

Why is everything ishtar's fault? Why does she keep getting with away with it?
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>>4790003
>>4789995
You may as well start thinking about how Rin using Gem Sword in the cavern was potentially killing other Rins who needed the mana there, or how draining power from worlds has to come from living worlds you're stealing from, as dead Worlds have no mana.

You can't avoid doing that if you're planning on using the Second well. Even Zelretch in SF seems to custom make an Ayaka (or take one), who is pretty traumatized by the red ghost thing, participate in a Grail War thats probably not going go well for her wellbeing.
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>>4789995
Isekai event except truck-kun is just Kuzuki's hihg speed fist coming at her head about to pop it
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>>4790001
Illya has to be part of this conversation and we left her in her room. We'll ask Medea to teleport us if we must move to the workshop.

>>4790004
Ancient myths are fucked up. And the sheep guy is surprisingly based.
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So are we going for specific dead end Rins or you guys want to meme and get some doujin Rins for Ishtar?
>>4790011
I meant taking her to there too. But yeah we can just teleport with no issues.
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>>4790004
Since you're looking into myths, can you tell me what Ereshkigal's personality was like without Rin's influence? Because from what you've previously said, I really don't see her nearly as crazy as what some anons have said.
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>>4790004
>What a worthless creator God.
Anu is the Supreme God, Enki is his little boy.

>>4790006
>Why does she keep getting with away with it?
She doesn't.
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>>4790004
Wasn't Enlil the one who separated Heaven and Earth in myth, and Enki was Gil's surge of utnapishtim satellite and bow?
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>>4790015
Without a human acting as a sort of emotional anchor, a lot of gods are EXTREMELY bipolar.
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>>4790017
>Anu gets his dick bitten off and all his shit usurped by Ishtar as well
HOLY SHIT FUCKING ISHTAR GOD DAMN IT.
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>>4790024
To clarify, one of his sons bites his dick off, not Ishtar.
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>>4790014
Man, having Medea at our side feels like we were crippled while she was gone and we can now walk again. She's such a cheat.

>>4790017
>She doesn't.
We really should think of a way to reward her. Yes, she's satisfied with serving us loyally, but she definitely deserves it.

>>4790021
Yeah, but what about Eresh, specifically? How bipolar are we talking about? Because if it's "Put you in a cage in the underworld to be with me forever", I'll have to change to agreeing with anons about Ereshrin.

Still not Ishtarin though. Never Ishtarin.

>>4790024
What the actual fuck? How is literally everything in that mythology Ishtar's fault?
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>>4790015
At a minimum, extremely yandere. She's so used to loss she won't let anyone out of her grasp unless it's a 1:1 trade at best.

>The seven judges of the Underworld judge Inanna and declare her to be guilty. Inanna is struck dead and her dead corpse is hung on a hook in the Underworld for everyone to see.

>The other myth is the story of Nergal, the plague god. Once, the gods held a banquet that Ereshkigal, as queen of the Underworld, could not come up to attend. They invited her to send a messenger, and she sent her vizier Namtar in her place. He was treated well by all, but for the exception of being disrespected by Nergal, who did not rise to him. As a result of this, Ereshkigal demanded Nergal to be sent to the underworld to atone.

Wrathful towards those she hates. Big fan of getting even when wronged or disrespected.

>In a version, Nergal travels to the underworld along with 14 demons. When he arrives, the gatekeeper Neti gets orders from Ereshkigal to allow him through the seven gates, stripping him of everything until the throne room, where he would be killed. But at each gate, Nergal posts two demons. When he gets to the throne he knocks over Namtar and drags Ereshkigal to the floor. He is about to kill her with his ax when she pleads for her life; she promises to be his wife and to share her power with him. He consents. However, Nergal must still leave the underworld for six months, so Ereshkigal gives him back his demons and allows him to traverse the upper world for that time, after which he returns to her. This myth shows how war is fought in season.[8]

>In later tradition, Nergal travels under the advice of Enki, who warns him not to sit, eat, drink or wash while in the underworld, as well as not to have sex with Ereshkigal. However, although respecting all the other warnings, Nergal succumbs to the temptation and lies with the goddess for six days. At the seventh, he escapes back to the upperworld, which makes Ereshkigal upset. Namtar is then sent to bring Nergal back, but Enki disguises Nergal as a lesser god and Namtar is fooled. Ereshkigal ultimately realizes the deception and demands Nergal to return again. This time Nergal returns by himself, dethroning her violently. They then lie together again for another six days. Afterwards, Nergal is made Ereshkigal's husband.[9]

Lonely, easy because of her loneliness. Inexperienced, regularly manipulated.

Genuine dindu
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>>4790027
>"Put you in a cage in the underworld to be with me forever"
I don't think Ereshrin does that, but even if she did that I'd still say thats for the best.
Root recycling is just that ass, and theres not any way around it for humans that aren't retard good at magic, that any kind of afterlife is better thats not actually actively suffering, even a complete gray like Kur or a cage.
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>>4790019
Enki = Ea

>>4790017
>Enki (Sumerian: 𒀭𒂗𒆠) is the Sumerian god of water, knowledge (gestú), mischief, crafts (gašam), and creation (nudimmud), and one of the Anunnaki. He was later known as Ea in Akkadian (Assyrian and Babylonian) mythology.

The whole pantheon simps to this whore. Thanks I Hate it.
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>>4790030
Well at least Tiamat doesn't simp to her.
Or anybody.
Except Sakura and you I guess.
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>>4790030
>Enlil plays a vital role in the Sumerian creation myth; he separates An (heaven) from Ki (earth), thus making the world habitable for humans.

??
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>>4790034
Enki is just a god of creation by title, he's not the og splitter of heaven and earth CREATOR. Not arguing with you there.
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>>4790028
She doesn't really look that bad, even without Rin. If that's it, I don't think we should make her Ereshrin.

>>4790029
Yeah, definitely. But I should probably rephrase to "put Shinji in a cage in the underworld to be with me forever", because I'm definitely not up for that.

>>4790030
No wonder the Babylonians disappeared. Fucking simps.
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>>4790034
But oddly Ea the NP is the "Star of Creation that Split Heaven and Earth" in nasuverse.

Sumerians really like splitting things to create a new. Like when Marduk tore Tiamat in two
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>>4790030
Every time I see what Sumerian text looks like I get a little happier that they collapsed.
It's like moonrunes but even more retarded.
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>>4790039
>Enki (Sumerian: 𒀭𒂗𒆠)
>𒂗
They use loss as a letter
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>>4790038
Tiamat really is a dindu.
Fuck the Mesopotamian pantheon.
>In the Enûma Elish, the Babylonian epic of creation, she gives birth to the first generation of deities; her husband, Apsu, correctly assuming they are planning to kill him and usurp his throne, later makes war upon them and is killed. Enraged, she also wars upon her husband's murderers, taking on the form of a massive sea dragon. She is then slain by Enki's son, the storm-god Marduk, but not before she had brought forth the monsters of the Mesopotamian pantheon, including the first dragons, whose bodies she filled with "poison instead of blood". Marduk then forms the heavens and the Earth from her divided body.
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>>4790042
greekoids stole this scenario through and through.

Why do polytheistic pantheons like killing their parents so much just to gain power?
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>"Hey, Ishtar, your new host body just arrived. Get inside."
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>>4790044
bobble head anatomy
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>>4790044
>"It's old men or Ishtar, your choice."
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>>4790047
There is no difference though?

Ultimately there will be old men involved
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>>4790043
At least the greekoids had the parents be genuine assholes to justify the usurpation. Even Zeus was better than those who came before.
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>>4790043
>Why do polytheistic pantheons like killing their parents so much just to gain power?
BECAUSE MY GODS ARE BETTER THAN YOUR GODS AND KILLED YOUR GOD.
FUCK YOU!
YEAH NOBODY WORSHIPS YOUR GOD ANYMORE!
WHERE DID MY GOD COME FROM?
uh
he was your god's uh, son.
yeah.
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>>4790043
It's representative of the cyclical nature of civilization wherein humans will repeatedly destroy their progenitor societies and create new ones.
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>>4790049
gr**k propaganda titans were dindus

>>4790051
I didn't want an intelligent answer ok?
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>>4790049
Yeah, Mesopotamian myth meanwhile is
>Tiamat and Abzu create the universe
>Are seemingly happy with each other
>Tiamat has some children
>Children immediately scheme to murder them both to take over reality.
Poor Tiamat.
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>>4790052
>>4790051
It creates justification for kings for why they usurped power from their own parents, because even the gods do it, so it must be righteous, etc.
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>>4790053
I do like how they're rightfully terrified of her at least.

>>4790054
sneed
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>>4790049
Wasn't Cronus' (sp?) age called a Golden Age because it was that good? Not even seasons were, just always perfect.
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>>4790052
>gr**k propaganda titans were dindus
t. baby-eater Cronus's lingering seethe and cope

>>4790056
Golden age for the normies, but he literally ate his own children because he was afraid they'd usurp him like he usurped Uranus. Even his wife helped Zeus kill him.
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>>4790056
>>4790049
Okay, I realized the problem was fro the gods themselves who got eaten. Though its a bit weird because of Fates/Ananke.
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>>4790056
I fucking hate how the greekoids have both Chronos and Cronus.
Chronos being the actual supreme creator god of the Greeks, who doesn't job to his children.
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>>4790056
>Even his wife helped Zeus kill him.
And it was his own sisterwife, just like Hera was Zeus's sisterwife. Because the greekoids were based, unlike those Babylonian simps.
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>>4790059
Not like Zeus is better. He also ate Metis for the same reason, it just didnt come back to bite him yet.
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>>4790061
Chronos being supreme reminds me of Zurvan. Also, the version in which Ananke is the supreme god(dess) as a super Fate is also unjobbable.
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>>4790061
>The semen of Chronos was placed in the recesses of the Earth and produced the first generation of gods.
The most powerful and ancient God of the greeks, everybody.
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>>4790062
If the gr**ks punished aphrodite for cheating on poor ugly fuck Hephaestus I'd dislike them less.
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>>4790067
If only we had Aphrodite Areia texts from Sparta if they wrote stuff down. Athen's version of Aphro and Ares were ass.
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Calling and writing in 20.
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>>4790066
aphrodite is literally just cum sprayed into the ocean given form.
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>>4790071
isn't she Ouranos' testicles that were cut off
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>>4790063
>Metis gives Cronus a potion to make him vomit out Zeus' siblings
>Zeus has sex with Metis
>Actually, one of her children will be more powerful than him
>Zeus eats Metis.
Zeus is a cunt
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>>4789459
>>4789798
Switch to
>>4789992
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>>4790061
Blame English for not having the proper letters. Chronos in Greek is "Χρόνος" and pronounced more like "Hronos", while Cronus is "Κρονος" and pronounced like in english.

>>4790063
At least he didn't eat Athena. He was fine with her.

>>4790069
>Though married to Hephaestus, Aphrodite had an affair with Ares, the god of war. Eventually, Hephaestus discovered Aphrodite's affair through Helios, the all-seeing Sun, and planned a trap during one of their trysts. While Aphrodite and Ares lay together in bed, Hephaestus ensnared them in an unbreakable chain-link net so small as to be invisible and dragged them to Mount Olympus to shame them in front of the other gods for retribution.

>The gods laughed at the sight of these naked lovers, and Poseidon persuaded Hephaestus to free them in return for a guarantee that Ares would pay the adulterer's fine or that he would pay it himself. Hephaestus states in The Odyssey that he would return Aphrodite to her father and demand back his bride price

>>4790070
I think the older write ins are still winning. Why did no one but the two people who wrote them switch?
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>>4789992
>>4789459
+1
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>>4790072
Nope, she really came from the cum that was sprayed into the ocean after the testicles were cut off.

>>4790073
No arguments there, he really is.
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>>4790069
>writing

Orbital nuke headed your way C*nfucian
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>>4790071
Chaos is literally just Chronos' cum too.
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>>4790075
Meant to answer to >>4790067 here with Aphrodite's punishment.
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>>4790075
By the way now I remembered something. That net, that captured Ares and Aphro? It's in Nasu as an NP. Its Saber Astolfo's Vulcano Caligorante
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I haven't contributed to the quest meaningfully in days someone link me something to vote for all I do is shitpost please help
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>>4790045
>>4790047
>>4790048
Probably the most hilarious twist possible here.
Unless our Rin created new dead ends for canon FSN with gem stealing.
>>4790054
Other way around actually.
Priest class was the one who was responsible for maintaining and propagating culture and knowledge. Ancient civilizations having a lot of inner strife played part in how their creation myth being told. All those wars for good soil, Bronze Age collapse and so on fucked up their perception. We had that talk during Asha and how Zoroastrianism interacted with Hindu gods.
This is why chinks or various steppe nomads have very different themes in their mythology to somebody like greeks.
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>>4790081
so they promised the poor cuck back his dowry?

didn't even pay it because Velber smushed them all anyway
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>>4790080
In some versions. I still think the Ananke supreme version of the myth is kinda interesting. Necessity as the supreme goddess who is like Fate on steroids.
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>>4790082
I hate this

>>4790083
>I haven't contributed to the quest meaningfully
You are deluded if you think your autistic posts aren't meaningful enough. We do miss you though.

Vote for >>4789992, it's the final write in.
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>>4790071
We can fix them both with good beatings. They will behave.
>>4790083
Look here >>4789992
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>>4790075
>pronounced more like "Hronos"
So I was saying the name of this game wrong the enitre time?
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>>4789992
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>>4790085
Something to note: Hephaestus paid the dowry to Zeus. He first asked Zeus for the price. Zeus refused. Poseidon intervened to pay for his shithead brother. Hephaestus remained eternally seething for the snub.

>>4790089
If you want to go by the greek pronunciation then yes. I wouldn't really recommend it.
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>>4790071
Why is that AI Terminal smoking a cigarette.
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>>4790088
>>4790071
She was...not absolutely terrible in Nasu Galatea's backstory, thats all I got.
Will Nasu try whitewashing her? After Medea I'd say good fucking luck but I am also not holding out hope.
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>>4790093
it's Wada's symbol of being a whore.
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>>4790093
That's not an AI terminal anymore. Afaik before their robo selves got nuked they didn't (couldn't?) make avatars at all.
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>>4789459
>>4789992
Support.
I'm not voting to do the same to another Rin that was done to Ilya. It has to be consensual with another Rin at the very least.
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>>4790095
She's extremely fickle.

She was good to Paris too. She's a whore who genuinely appreciates romance, dedication by men to their women and being worshiped herself.
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>>4790095
Everyone will eventually get white washed and become the ultimate good boy who dindu nuffin.
Villains aren't allowed to stay actual villains, it's the nature of Gachashit.
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>>4789459
Switching from>>4789841 to>>4789992
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>Velber
Some update she will show up and beat all the gods again.
Maybe she will even pillage all of Ishtar magical Authority artifacts.
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>>4790101
I wish they made more characters like Douman who never cuck, just become obsessive and lie about being good until you hit bond 4+ and you're stuck with them
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>>4790100
Nasu Galatea is actually just Aphrodite who split off a tiny bit of herself to bring the statue to life so its actually ???
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>>4789992
>>4789459
Support.
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>>4790104
Don't worry, in a year or so Douman will get some interlude or something that makes him a goodcuck.
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>>4790105
Isn't that just the way most authorities work though? She had to give up part of herself to grant pants-chan life?
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>>4790110
Gilgamesh would see nothing wrong with that outfit.
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>>4790111

the APEX of fashion
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>>4790110
An Authority=the God itself, but usually the authority is just used, not granted to something.

It's the difference between using your hand to move something and having a bit of your skin from your hand taken off to graft to someone to heal them.
Both fulfil a goal using the same "resource", but the use of the object itself is not fit for the goal, but a different use can bring about a different result, but the cost is also greater.
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>>4790111
Are we going to roll for which bad timeline inferior Rin will get summoned?
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>>4790115
She got Chadmalion's affections directly for it I guess, wasn't entirely for free but it's very generous considering her usual modus operandi.

She got to be an onahole for a very devoted king
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>>4790082
You know, speaking of stupid NP choices, why the fuck is Avenger Nobu's Pāpīyas Metamorphosis only an A- rank Anti-Divine Noble Phantasm?
That's some pretty stupid shit if you ask me.
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>>4790117
I'll amass a list of dead ends where Rin dies to roll from if you end up deciding to do that.
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>>4790119
Like even if you consider the A- thing to be because it's imperfect and incomplete, even Like a Soaring Dragon is EX rank and that's similarly imperfect.

Fucking ranks don't make any sense.
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>>4790119
Because Kama/Mara is the True Demon King of the Sixth Heaven and has it at EX maybe?

In other news, Gray can fly using Add like a boomerang hang glider
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>>4790119
The minus is supposedly because its unstable. Why is it unstable? Avenger Nobu herself is unstable as the amalgam of all the beliefs about Nobu, with nothing/barely any true fact about her.

Supposedly, the rank of the NP is also the Mystery rank itself, not the actual effect rank.
It was said somewhere(I think?) that for example Herc's Godhand is rank based, not anything else.

If there was a C rank mountain buster and an A rank rapier, the C rank does nothing and A rank can penetrate it.

As for whether its stupid, I can't comment because I'm used to it, and I think the writers forgot.
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>>4790122
>Because Kama/Mara is the True Demon King of the Sixth Heaven and has it at EX maybe?
Something something copy surpassing the original something.
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>>4790120
Only canon ones? Or you are going to make something special for very low or very high rolls?
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>>4790120
Please don't be Femme Fatale. It will be bad for everyone involved.
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>"Oh, Rin, excellent timing! I wanted to thank you for amazing job you did yesterday and that favor I owe you as I said back then."
>"I wanted to ask you about your progress with the Second True Magic."
>"I would like to properly introduce you to Paracelsus today. Have you met him yet? I'm quite certain he's the perfect teacher for you because of nature of his magecraft. He is also less of an asshole comparing to Clocktower magi."
>"I would also like to gift you any number of gems you want because I don`t want to coerce you into “borrowing” from your other selves."
>"And I was speaking with Illya just now about that useless goddess who tried to steal her body. I was just on my way looking for Gilgamesh, Sakura, Medea, Touko, Morgan and Tamamo, have you seen them? And would you mind coming along, your input and perhaps your Second Magic will be valuable here."
>"How's Iskandar, by the way?"

This wins.
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I'll detour the conversation for a second.
I already talked about Olga being suspicious and probably connected to Origa Marine in DDD, right?
Another thing I just noticed is that she is the only "E-level" patient, and that the alien in Area 51 was Specimen E. And that she is already dead somehow? But still in her hospital room.
Also, the Doctor overseeing the Origa Marine Memorial Hospital is nicknamed Dr. Roman.
It's a hospital that deals with demon possession cases/A-disorder cases.
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>>4790127
He can just open up sadpanda for options.

This would also make Johnu Smithu-san canon to the quest.
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>>4790134
And also that Kanata Ishizue's ability is very similar to the Specimen E's ability to adapt to anything that killed it.
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>>4790135
We can have Haremchad Shinji as Master of Chaldea for Carnival.
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>>4790134
Just wait till LB 7.9 in 2026 for a true answer, but the connections are pretty clear from what you've mentioned both here and in earlier discussions.

The ayylum likely can shiftself backwards and forwards through time over a small range, maybe a few years, might have bodyjacked Olga who is essentially just a terminal for moneybills. Probably made intentionally after he mapped out or detected the ayy life on its way to intersect with earth and built it a body to inhabit. It may have crashed, been chucked in A51, anal probed and while seething and coping jumped back in time across a bit of distance to the only suitable anchor on the planet at the time, Olga.

More likely if you can place her around Nevada around the anal probing
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>>4790144
There's also the Daybit was working for moneybills idea and smuggled it out for him so he could put it in Olga, or at least a sample of it which then manifested as a being still connected to the original.

A seed if you will if it's got proper tree like biology. But trees can also communicate even irl, which is used by pseudointellectuals and hippies for lots of greenie mental gymnastics so maybe nasu is borrowing that logic about it being a collective consciousness and the part within Olga is receiving the pain feedback, and then vice versa when she fell into CHALDEAS?

Falling into CHALDEAS might have been pottery.

But honestly it's all vague shit that will be invisibly retconned to act as if it was meant to be this way the whole time like most nasuverse
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So many possibilities.
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>>4789485
I just remembered reading this on the phone earlier and not having my image.

She can always become a reddit pseudoservant :^)
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>>4790134
>>4790146
Olga Marie, the ayy lmao and Moneybills are definitely connected. I can't see how it can possibly be anything else after what you two have said on the subject.

Hopefully we'll have confronted Moneybills here by then, and WhatIs will have given us his answer, even if it's not the official nasu answer.

Also, what about that ayy? When does it crash? Will we have to rush to stop the fucking yanks from probing it and killing themselves along with the planet?
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>>4790144
A-disorder is confined geographically to the west side of Japan, but we also see Olga and Lev travelling universes in Back Alley Alliance Nightmare manga so ???.
Also, I think good enough simulation like Logos React/Moon Cell etc can create things with Lostbelt grade reality, as thats what the Atlas alchemists used their superweapon calculator for and what Se.Ra.Ph was doing.

This makes time/location continuity way less important I feel. It could also be that the Origa in DDD is dead because her soul was moved to become U-Olga and the actual GO timeline Olga is the Priestess, as she acts a lot more like what was in the prologue.

Origa we don't know her personality, but A-disorder very much fucks you mentally.

The first scene in DDD chronologically is the protag waking up to his sister (not related to Origa but illustrating the setting and A-disorder stuff) eating his arm after she killed their parents, but he calls it "the beautiful sound of life", because she also ate his ability to feel threatened or something, its that kind of story.

We also know the name of her (Origa's) A-disorder "ability", but not what it does.

For some reason (nasu???) its called Fuck-slut Dreamy Siesta.

For example of what abilities exist, low end is igniting your blood like a super accelerant.

High tier is having your surroundings work the way it is perceived, including becoming Outside the Universe and planets and shit appearing wholly etc.

Top tier is Kanata who has some kind of adaptation where whatever kills her she she becomes immunes to, constantly revives, and gets strength/ability to counter what killed her. She can even destroy planets and celestial bodies once she recognized them as alive in the dudes observation universe, so something like astral projection from Origa across timelines is feasible.
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>>4790151
Considering when used properly, the Second can kill Types, I don't think becoming Reddit will help Luvia.
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>>4790153
>to stop the fucking yanks from probing it
Too late, it was probably done in Project Bluebook, an actual UFO project thing that happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Book
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>>4790153
Doesn't it crash sometime after Human Incineration?
So like 2018-ish?
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>>4790156
She can use her new power to reduce the melanin count on servants and remain a virgin
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>>4790158
Well, thats actually true, somehow? It says it landed in 2016. Singularity time was not added to the timeline, I guess.

But what the fucks with Bluebook and project Blue Book then?
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>>4790156
It's her fault she didn't move to Japan immediately, we can't improve people halfway across the planet. She shouldn't have thought training on her own would be enough.

>>4790157
Well, fuck. We'll have to deal with this too.

>>4790158
No idea, that's why I'm asking.
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>>4790161
Daybit's pseudonym
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>>4790161
>But what the fucks with Bluebook and project Blue Book then?
You want boring IRL explanation?
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>>4790163
nah we can just truth enforce rhognobongo, shove it into the ground really hard and keep our new Texture pinned in place so it can't be wiped off.

Then punch the ayy in the face for not living it's life correctly, heal it's seethe, kill who it wanted revenge on and move on
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>>4790161
Well, at least we have more than a decade to figure out how we deal with it

>>4790165
I want the "nasu on drugs" explanation.
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>>4790168
Not like the OG Texture is gone in lostbelts. Most likely its frozen when, yknow, Anastasia froze Chaldeas or something. Or thats a red herring.
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>>4790170
the powerscaling on that whole thing didn't make sense at all.

Where was Billy? GUN solved that right away

It was probably localised to just the base
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>>4790168
Well, that's still "dealing with this".
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>>4790170
But go read the David Bluebook journal entries, OG texture got almost entirely wiped. bleak building fragments remain, oceans are all gone as David was able to just bike/walk as the crow flies across continents to reach A51 where he too lost to the power of GUN
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>>4790173
Billy is a great Servant for saving the world, shoot first, morally posture about stupid shit never.
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>>4790173
Yes, but Chaldeas is basically the soul of the planet. I could see some voodoo, sympathetic connection As above so Below stuff freezing the World too.
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>>4790175
>lost to the power of GUN
It is inevitable.
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>>4790175
I have seen speculation that since Kirsch account differs, Bluebook may be a fabricated history. Various evidence I may dig up that OG Alien God prob had nothing to do with revenge and may be an obfuscation false history. There are weird hints, not even going into the super suspicious Holmes stuff about whats even real etc.
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>>4790179
it's just BLEACHED, not frozen. iirc there's no mention of it that I can find. But I do remember some of the dialogue mentioning people were burning books for warmth in some of the decrepit houses David squatted in en route.

Going to bed soon and cba looking though as his wiki page doesn't have full transcripts of the interludes containing him.

>>4790181
Nobu, a GUNchad had very similar final words.
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>>4790182
>Bad inconsistent writing such as Amakusa calling the Alien God Satan and shit
>It's an obfuscation on purpose!
For what purpose?
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>>4790183
I think it was in or after LB5, that History still exists.
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>>4790178
Billy did great in LB1.
Of course I don't like he had to shoot Atalanta, but even she understood it was basically inevitable at that point.
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>>4790185
merely pretending?

But then when the Shadow Border is going through the northern oceans to find the Wandering Sea its in an ocean even though the whole world when zoomed out is completely bleached white?

Was this within a lostbelt? There's mention of them driving across continents and ignoring what would have been oceans and other large obstacles because everything is uniform and white?

nasu pls just pick one
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>>4790185
History falsification or literally obfuscation so by the time they realize the real plan its over. Like Kirsch setting Atlas ON and lettng it do its thing even if he died.
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Illya cute
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>>4790189
She deserved it.
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because of history revisionism becoming facts in this setting nothing really mattress in the end anyway
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>>4790190
Like, did the Human Order get BTFO and thus no humans or were alien trees descending and manually killing humans? Cant be both.
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>>4790195
yes.

i distinctly remember reading in game descriptions of trees doing what the Qliphoth does to meatbags in DMC5 to the vanilla now BLEACHED earth in Bluebook's diaries.
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I wish Nasu wasn`t such a fucking hack.
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>>4790194
Even in the beginning there was historical Servants and then demigods like Herc and Gil not being history.
Prob related to moving from AoG to AoM and what doesnt fit conceptions gets "falsified"
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>>4790193
She did nothing wrong other than care.
Sure, you can say it doesn't matter, but I'd be more surprised if she lived with them for weeks and didn't want to protect them, even if she knew it was doomed to fail.
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>>4790198
But if things weren't history, how do catalysts exist?
How does Tokiomi's fucking meme snakeskin exist?
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>>4790200
This is actually brought up in Holmes Trial Quest. Let me get some lines,
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>>4790200
How do Cu Chulainn's earrings exist?
It's just inconsistent.
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>>4790197
>caster
avenger
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>>4790199
>protect them
They lived in a doomed cannibal hellscape and she had no way to save them from their eventual fate.
It would've been kinder to have just wiped them all out without suffering instead of let them persist in the doomed world they had created.
Seriously, why was the only way they could think to survive the cold "Become cannibal furries?"
Why not live underground or create magic barriers?
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>>4790201
>>4790200
>>4790202

"Gudako
But there doesn't seem to be any evidence that you were legitimately extant ... ?
Holmes
Evidence, hm? I see.
Ergo, material evidence that positively demonstrates the legitimacy of my existence is historically nonextant.
Indeed, documentation in official record to indicate that my flat once existed at 221B Baker Street is nonextant.
... the matter of its nonexistence has come to be.
....


Per cultural anthropology
and archaeology, the number of instances wherein a hero of mythology is proven to be legitimately extant approximates to none.
Neither skeletal remains nor DNA have manifested.
Even as of those locations that would appear to be the burial sites of the heroes of mythology and legend,
decisive testimony to the existence of such and so forth is nonextant.
One amongst the few exceptions to the rule is the Trojan War;
and though Schliemann did well in unearthing evidence so as to establish the Trojan War as a reality of the past,
prior to his grand discovery,
accounts of the Ilias were thought to be a fabrications of legend.
Other heroes are of the same circumstance.
Many of them are as characters within legends of fabrication, no?
...
That's indeed the case.
It would be an arrival upon the wrong conclusion to believe that I alone would be a fabricated existence.


But it ends with the following lines that between Moriarty and Holmes, and not heard by MC

Moriarty
... pulled the wool over their eyes, you did.
The infant of a hydra; the skin and teeth of a dragon; the claws of the Tsuchigumo of the Orient;
those Holy Relics and Noble Phantasms that have since the Age of Divinities been preserved as of material existence ...
Proceed onward beyond the shadows of society,
and within the domain of thaumaturgy, the matter of producing any quantity of evidence and so forth becomes a possibility.
Legitimately extant? A fabrication? What are you even talking about, so late into the game?

Holmes

It can't be helped.
If we were to venture any further into the topic, and it would've become a discussion of Adjacent Realities and Items Designated for Removal;
and thereon advance unto an explanation of the Age of Divinities.
As of that ever-distant past, of which entirely no vestige remains within the domain of the legitimately extant,
the fact that we're able to subsist upon such an ambiguous existence —
is of course
consequent the reality that is to us so observable and tangible; which is in the end no more than a single thin layer of phenomena.
Even if it's secured by the use of the Holy Lance,
it's an existence of such a level that it could be stripped away merely by way of exhaustive trial and error.
The necessity of such knowledge is for humans nonextant.
Knowing is impermissible.

There is more but its long and ...T stuff.
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>>4790204
It's in character for her to act this way.
I agree with you, their existence was awful, and they themselves admitted it. But if anything, it would be out of character for her to not try to help them. Didn't she also get mad at Jeanne over the exorcism thing?
Anyway, update coming?
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>>4790204
small russian brain bylat
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>>4790203
Caster as wizard king.
Saber as deathless warrior
Rider as historically distorted khan.
>>4790204
Atalanta is not smart. Never been.
She is as bad as Jeanne.
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>>4790206
Ah, I see, so it's just bad writing that is being poorly excused.
I fucking hate Holmes so much.

>>4790207
Yeah but she had no plan to save them other than screech and rage autistically at everyone else. It might've been different if she had some sort of tangible plan to make their lives less hellish, but she did not.
She's just retarded.

Yes update on the way soon.
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>>4790214
Could've just told her that by continuing her current course of actions she'd be condemning billions of children to oblivion. Then watch as she bluescreens.
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>>4790217
could just show her a shiny gold apple and grab her tail
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>>4790217
You can make that scene happen, you know?
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>>4790214
>>4790217
>She's just retarded.
She is a berserker after all.
Still like her though, even with her faults.
She just had to show up in one of the worst possible scenarios for her.
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>>4790221
At least she gets better treatment than the OG Berserker, who is basically treated as a shield to show up to job and die instantly.
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>>4790225
Our of curiosity, are you opposed to writing characters you dislike?
Like Atalanta Alter, or Jeanne. Would your biases show in your writting? Or would you try to remain faithful, even if you don't agree with the character?
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>>4790218
Give her the catnip
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>>4789800
Support
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>>4790230
I try to remain faithful to characters I don't like, I don't like Merlin, but I didn't turn him into a massive asshole.
Not anymore than he already is, at least.
Also, I don't truly dislike Atalanta Alter or Jeanne, I just think they are sort of retarded.
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>>4790236
Can you give list of characters you don`t like? I am curious now.
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>>4790236
I'd like to see Jeanne eventually. If only to tell her we spoke with God and see her bluescreen.
I still think she deserved better, retarded she may be.
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>>4790239
I'd rather keep it a secret, wouldn't want to influence you.
However, I will say that I hate this faggot
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Reminder in the original myths, Ishtar was one of the only people that was dead set against the Great Flood happening. For all their flaws, they're still on the side of humanity.
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>>4790244
Akkadian, Sumerian, etc accounts of various gods and myths also vastly differ.
Some say the Epic of Gilgamesh shows signs of bring rewritten by another city-state as compared to Uruk, which due to the portrayal of the protector goddess Ishtar and Gilgamesh' lack of respect or such attitude. Incosistency in portrayals, like between Spartan and Athenian myths etc.
Also the shittons of Greek variants, chinese variants, japanese variants etc etc.

Anthropology hard.
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>>4790236
I like Atalante and even I can agree she's sort of retarted when it comes to this specific issue.

>>4790242
If that fucker ever shows up we're immediately feeding him to Sakura.
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"Oh, Rin! Excellent timing! I wanted to thank you for the amazing job that you did yesterday, and also pay you back for the favor I said I owed you." You weren't expecting to bump into Rin, but well, better to make hay while the sun shines, you were planning on talking to her at some point about what you were plotting anyway. You don't exactly know how she'd feel about the usage of parallel versions of herself as vessels for deities, but... well, it's better than just letting them die, isn't it? Well, you think so, at least? It's not like there's any sort of an afterlife for those deceased Rins, and they all basically get dragged into the cosmic recycle bin. Which is just a horrible fate.

"Uh-huh." Rin doesn't sound entirely convinced by your offer to repay the favor that you owe her, but whatever, that's not important right now. She can be as aloof as she wants, but you get the feeling by the end of this conversation, she'll have changed her tune quite a bit.

"Well, besides that favor, I wanted to ask you about your progress with the Kaleidosword and the Second True Magic, it's going well, I take it?" You want to make sure that she's still progressing along the path of True Magic. It's funny, Rin as she is right now would probably be able to crush the entire default Fifth Grail War by herself. Especially with EMIYA on her side. an EMIYA provided with an unlimited amount of Magical Energy would be one of the best possible counters to Gilgamesh, and the Second True Magic could be used to evade even Enuma Elish.

"Of course it's going well!" Rin sounds quite prideful of her own progress, not that you can blame her for it, through her own actions, she's managed to create a Mystic Code that is superior to even Zelretch's own design through the fusion of two existing Mystic Codes. The Kaleidosword is undoubtedly an immensely powerful weapon, and even Rin is incapable of using it to its fullest power right now. If it is capable of drawing on the entirety of the Second True Magic, then that would make this Rin the true inheritor of the Second True Magic, and Zelretch's greatest disciple. You wonder if he's still observing things and is happy with her development, you're pretty certain that no other Rin would've ended up being able to develop like your Rin has. You seem to have functioned as some sort of encouragement for her development. While Rin worked hard before of course, it's not like she ever really had any rival to attempt to surpass, even Luvia was her equal at best, and she didn't even meet her until after the Grail War anyway.

"Well, what progress have you made with it?" You press her for more information, wanting to know just where her current capabilities with the Second True Magic lie.
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"I've been working on using the space outside of timelines as a form of personal space, not unlike what I did to that Servant or how Zelretch's Treasure Chest Functions, but on a larger level, It's sort of like a space located in Imaginary Number Space, but not even bound to the fickle and ever-changing rules of that place, the space I am attempting to utilize exists 'outside' of space. Right now, I can only carve out a small space to use as my own, but as I practice with the Kaleidosword, my ability to both create and manipulate that space improves. Oh! I've also been figuring out how to 'take' things from other parallel worlds too, originally, I was limited to things that I already had." Rin reaches into her jacket, pulling out six of the Tohsaka family heirloom necklaces. "See, I grabbed these from some timelines where I wouldn't end up needing them, where I was killed before getting the chance to use them or the Grail War was stopped during an earlier period of time." Rin sounds just a little too nonchalant about stealing from her own parallel corpses, but then again, you can't see why she'd really care all that much. Sure, it's morbid, but at least this way she's preventing somebody else from using them? You feel like this is mostly for the sake of a flex or something, to show how powerful she is with the the Second True Magic now that she can just grab as many jewels containing ten years worth of her magical energy without any difficulty as she wants. "Well, I was only able to do that much through utilizing my own pendant as a sort of... catalyst, which is why I'm trying to figure out how to take things through my imagination alone."

"How so...?"

"Well, you see, I can observe and view things from other worlds through the power of the Kaleidosword, but I can't actually take anything from those worlds without the corresponding item from this world, at least not right now. It's inconvenient, but I guess it just shows that I need more practice." Rin explains her power to you, and you have to admit, it's impressive just how much she has grown in strength since you first met her. This level of power is pretty ridiculous for anybody to wield, let alone Rin. Zelretch will definitely want to meet his wayward future apprentice at some point, even if his entrance to this world is currently sealed.
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"Well, I have to say that your progress with the Second is incredible, Rin!" You praise Rin for managing such an incredible feat of power almost entirely by herself. All she needed was for Shirou to trace her a copy of the Jeweled Sword and that was about it. She managed everything else all on her own. It's actually kind of inspiring that she's managed it all. "About the favor I wanted to pay you back for, one of Zolgen's Servants was Paracelsus, the legendary alchemist." Rin raises an eyebrow at that. "Oh good, then you haven't met him yet, I'll have to properly introduce the two of you. Paracelsus is somebody who as a teacher, would excel for teaching you specifically. First off, he's an Average One, just like you. Then there's the fact that he also makes use of Jewel Magecraft too. In fact, working together, you might be able to further upgrade the Kaleidosword to include a Photonic Crystal for the sake of taking care of the calculations required by the Second True Magic!" Honestly, further upgrades to the Kaleidosword would just be ridiculous. Just thinking about how busted a potential Kaleidosword-ELIXIR would be is honestly kind of terrifying. "Oh, and compared to most of the magi of the Clocktower, Paracelcus isn't a terrible person." You feel like that's enough advertising for Paracelcus, now it's up to Rin whether she wants to accept a teacher. "Oh! And you might not need them now, but I'd like to gift you any number of gems you might need so you don't feel a need to keep having to 'borrow' them from your other selves." Even if Rin has shown a willingness to use the possessions of Dead and Non-Combatant Rins, she's probably not really the sort of person who actually enjoys doing such a thing, outside of perhaps testing her abilities. Though the fact that she's just carrying the equivalent of around seventy years of her magical output in her pockets through those other versions of her Heirloom Pendants is pretty terrifying. Even with her normal gems, she was capable of killing Berserker once. With that amount magical energy on her side, she might be able to wipe out Berserker's entire stock, or half of Fuyuki! You've really been underestimating Rin!

"Hmm, I'll think about that offer, though I'll have to properly meet Paracelcus before deciding whether or not I want him to teach me or not, as for your offer of gems, I'm always happy to take them out of your hands." Rin seems to have far more confidence than before now that she's gotten a better handle on the Second True Magic. Of course, you aren't going to put her down for her developments, what she's done is truly amazing, and it's honestly amazing just what her inspiration has led her to achieving. Of course, the fact that you are her inspiration should probably be ignored, at least for now.
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"OK, that's... good. I was also just speaking to Illya about this useless goddess who tried to steal her body, and I'm on my way to Gilgamesh, and a few other people to get them together to discuss what we ought to do about her. Would you mind coming along? I consider your input and your knowledge of the Second True Magic to be quite valuable for a discussion like this." You ask Rin to follow you, whatever she was doing before is probably quite a bit less important than deciding upon the fate of a goddess.

"Alright, lead the way then, Shinji." She seems to agree with you on that much, at least, and starts following after you.

"Oh, and one more thing, how is Iskandar right now?"

"Oh, you mean the Servant you had me store in my 'space'? He's fine, why, do you want to do your thing to him now?"

>"Yes." (What concept?)
>"No, I want to get Ishtar dealt with first."
>Write-in...
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>>4790246
>If that fucker ever shows up we're immediately feeding him to Sakura.
Why do you dislike him?
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>>4790260
>"No, I want to get Ishtar dealt with first."

Wait for Waver, he knows him better then anyone.
He should decide the concept.
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>>4790260
>"No, I want to get Ishtar dealt with first."
Definitely wait for Waver. He's his dude.
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Also, see guys, even Rin only steals from Rins that wouldn't need the jewels. She would NOT be ok with killing other Rins.
If we do grab another Rin, I don't think it would be that hard to get a 50/50 split with Eresh, she seems reasonable enough.
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>>4790260
>"No, I want to get Ishtar dealt with first."
We should wait for Waver.
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>>4790261
In short, the Shirou Kotomine bait and switch was an instant dislike after it was revealed, and it was made worse by him being Mr Perfect, chosen of God etc, etc. He fools everyone other than Mordred's instincts. Even Karna, mostly. He loves everyone, including his enemies. He loves them so much he wants to use the third magic to give immortality to everyone in a hare-brained scheme that will inevitably destroy mankind. His scheme works perfectly and with pretty much no major setbacks until the very end when a rando homunculus derails everything. He was a terrible main villain and a terrible character in a terrible story and I hate him.

At least Apocrypha had some good characters in it, or I would have regretted the time I spent on it entirely

>>4790272
At least this conversation gives us a good excuse to bring up the "doomed Rins as meatpuppets" plans without looking like too much of a psychopath. I hope Touko and Morgan will give us a better alternative.
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>>4790260
>"No, I want to get Ishtar dealt with first."
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>>4790283
>use the third magic to give immortality to everyone
Thats not the (main?) application of the Third he seeks. He wants to eliminate evil. Specifically by reformatting everyones souls so they cant think of "evil". Evil according to his apprehensions of course.
This would, of course, instantly get that line pruned, and cause stagnationx100000
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>>4790289
Yeah, that too. Immortality full of fluffy feelings and "happiness" and a world full of things that are no longer human.
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If you ever go to an Apocrypha Branch, I want you to wheel out a diagram explaining Timeline Pruning to Amakusa.
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>>4790289
>>4790294
>>4790296
You should probably also take Vritra, I'm sure she'd have a few choice words to say to him regarding conflict and obstacles.
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>>4790296
While holding and petting Atalanta like Dr. Evil?
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>>4790296
Maybe we can get Altera to explain it if she appears. She says something in Extella to the effect of "you humans can't even see the walls between worlds/dimensions/time, so let me put it this way..." and then we get exposition. Must be Velber stuff, if Void Cells exist.
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>>4790299
Vritra is now sort of cosmically aware so she can also explain it.
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>>4790299
Now that I actually typed it, why does Sion in GO have void cell/void cell derived stuff? Thats pretty suspicious.
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>>4790302
Atlas has always had suspicious Moon Cell stuff.
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>>4790260
>"No, I want to get Ishtar dealt with first."
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>>4790304
I am calling the Purging team.
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>>4790296
If we must. At least it won't take long, and it will serve as a nice appetizer.

>>4790297
I don't even care if Vritra eats him instead of Sakura.
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>>4790304
There is a difference between Photonic Crystal that Para also makes, and Void Cells that fucked Archimedes and co in the head, I feel like. But true.
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Calling in... ah fuck it, you said no anyway.
>>4790306
Just hire Dante to steal all of their shit.
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If we are going to Apocrypha.
Should we play it up like another Faction to let our friends have some fun or wait for the right moment just to dab?
What color? White? Yellow? Colorless?
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>>4790315
Summon Nito or Ozzy and take them over. Supposedly they are descendant as an association of the magi of Egypt, and of the line of Isis? I mean, if they operated at least part of AoG, I guess they had to be...?
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>>4790317
If we go post-war, with the amount of firepower we have on hand? We can land in the middle of the opening fight, challenge everyone at the same time and still win. Without even bringing half of the people we have with us.

I mean even Vlad, the Black's big gun can be soloed by Satsuki and her Reality Marble. Bringing just seven incarnated Servants with us and seven "Masters" will be gross overkill.
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>>4790319
Black Pharaoh.
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>>4790260
>"No, I want to get Ishtar dealt with first."
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>>4790317
If you go for a faction, then you will have to pick a roster of one Servants for each class.
Though I guess you can go for a non-standard for Berserker if you don't want to take Ibaraki.
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>>4790328
Will Jeanne punish us for cheating if we bring Alcides for the Berserker slot?
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>>4790338
She can certainly try.
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>>4790338
Tell her God said its ok and she'll be fine.
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>>4790325
>>4790328
Maybe three "Masters" and three "Servants"?
It is not like we have a lot of people who can planeswalk.
Or it could be us, Vritra and maybe Altera is she shows up and rest of slots are local jannies whom we oversee. With Dragon Core it won`t be that taxing.
Target is to drill them into being at least barely competent. And each jannie dying would just make us more dangerous since we have more energy to play around with.
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>>4790299
altera holding amakusa at swordpoint and explaining it to him would be so fucking funny.
Even more because of the way she speaks.
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>>4790260
>"No, I want to get Ishtar dealt with first."
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>>4790343
What is even our goal if we get involved in this? Apocrypha is not really a tragedy. That War reaches a more-or-less satisfying conclusion for most participants. The only things I can think of that I'd like to change are:
A) Explain to Amakusa exactly why he's a massive retard before feeding him to someone
B) Kill Avicebron before he feeds his master to his golem
C) Find Jack and her whore, give a suitable Concept to Jack so she's happy and doesn't have to murder anymore, leave them with a billion dollars and help them disappear.

Shit, we're doing this, aren't we?
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I dont know why you simply didn't go to betty to make a rin body from memory. That would have been more ideal than ego deathing another rin. Hindsight 20/20.
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>>4790365
Maybe situation where Apocrypha Alaya asking our Alaya for help? It could be that Apocrypha we are going to would never get to good conclusion but our example inspired this particular Alaya to be more proactive.
She wants normal jannies and she need us to drill them in that war. We want to flex on Amakusa, deal with Avicebron and fix Jack.
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>>4790365
isnt the whore that helped jack insane or something?
Also fix kairi's curse and make his mordred not die.
We also need to fix our timeline kairi when we meet waver.
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>>4790370
Because people want to change Eresh's personality (and Ishtar's?) and this requires a body with a soul. If Betty makes us a Rin copy with a soul there's no functional difference with egodeathing an other Rin, and if she doesn't there's no functional difference with Touko making us a puppet.

Besides, we haven't decided anything yet. We know Betty can do it, and we can bring her in later if she's needed.
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>>4790373
Maybe, I guess

>>4790374
Nope. That whore is the only good thing to have happened in Jack's first or second life. The only person to have loved her and treated her as a daughter. Jack's an amalgamation of the souls of aborted babies, murdered kids, child prostitutes and the like. It is not a happy existence.

Agreed about fixing Kairi. Mordred dies because of Semiramis, which won't be a problem if we dab on Amakusa before. But do we give her Caliburn too? This will fuck up the world entirely, and we won't even be there to help with the aftermath.
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>>4790373
And kill Darnic too. Forgot about it.
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>>4790386
I suppose, but he dies anyway, and in a pretty humiliating way. Our intervention isn't needed.

We'll have killed our Darnic by then anyway
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>>4790390
Our Darnic is on the Maze list.
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>>4790394
Doesn't Darnic literally eat babies to remain young or something like that?
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>>4790403
He can and does eat souls but its dangerous because it could dilute his own and is what happens in non-Apo timelines.
The baby bit is just a turn of phrase in the text that "he wouldn't even balk at crushing the head of a baby" iirc, looking at it?
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"No, I want to get Ishtar dealt with first. I wouldn't want to keep her waiting after what she tried to do. Iskandar isn't in any danger of disappearing or breaking out, is he?" You are of course just a little bit worried for Iskandar's well-being, though the fact that Rin doesn't seem concerned at all is enough to relieve your nerves about it already.

"Well, of course not, where he currently is, the only thing that could possibly reach him is the Second True Magic. This world could end and he'd still be secure in his current location." Hm, good to know that if things ever get to that level, Rin might be able to organize an evacuation for people to another world. Though with the level of multiversal destruction that your current foes are gunning for, even that wouldn't really do much good. Still, good to know anyway.

"Good, then there's no reason to hurry things along, I want to get Iskandar's previous Master's opinion on things before we do anything with the King of Conquerors himself." If Rin is certain that she can keep Iskandar secure in his current accommodations, then there's no real point to hurrying the process along, is there? Waver might be disappointed if Iskandar is 'saved' without him being present. He'd be much more appreciative if he got the chance to be of assistance when it came to saving Iskandar from the corruption of the grail mud. Though you could likely have Nero as a Saver purify him, or you could try to break the curses yourself or with Chiyome's assistance, Iskandar will just have to hang tight for now. You'll just have to rely on Rin's word that he won't actually be going anywhere after all, though by all rights, it's probably more effort to try to retrieve Iskandar for Manaka at this point than it would be to just summon another Servant entirely. "Anyway, follow me, I need to go and gather a few people together."

It doesn't take very long to get everyone together in the end. Gilgamesh is talking with Enkidu and Ayaka in the lounge, though upon you bringing up Ishtar, he immediately decides to come with you, Enkidu follows too, leaving Ayaka alone. Ayaka just looks sort of relieved, if you're being honest. Poor girl. You hope her parents are holding up alright, has she even called them? Hell, they are magi, do they even have a phone? On the topic of parents, there's also Satsuki's to worry about, you might just have to brainwash them or have Satsuki send them a letter at some point in the future.
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>>4790403
>>4790407
Hmmm, Darnic? We only have this bottle of Țuică here.
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After finding Gilgamesh, you next look for Medea, Tamamo and Morgan, and you manage to find them together in one of the lounges with Touko and Sakura with them, they change the topic when you walk in, but just as quick as Gilgamesh was when you mentioned being able to experiment on Ishtar, Touko more than the rest of them. Seems like the idea of getting to potentially dissect a goddess and rearrange their form is something quite exciting for her. Well, of course it would be, considering Touko's topic of study, getting the opportunity to examine the form of somebody like Ishtar, who's true beauty is said to be on the level of the Princess' of Gold and Silver, is something she's not about to pass up. Not to mention that it will also give her some pretty precious insight onto the form of a goddess which she might be able to apply to her puppetry.

The group makes its way to Illya's room, entering to look upon the newly formed goddess sitting on her bed. Gilgamesh can barely hold back what sounds like laughter of glee when he actually gets a proper look at Illyasviel. He's probably managed to discern just how dangerous the girl is to Gods and Demigods. Ironically enough, Gilgamesh wouldn't really lose any power at all if he were to lose his Divinity, so it's not like he really sees Illya as a threat to himself personally. Tamamo however looks quite... scared by Illyasviel as she exists now, though she's doing her best to hide it. Of course, as an actual Goddess, Tamamo is very much at risk of falling victim to Illya's new power. Nobody else really has that great a reaction to the changes that have occurred to Illya's body

"Well, Outsider. It was nice being able to show Ishtar the interior of my vaults with her as an exhibit, but..." A small golden portal opens up and out appears the sealed bottle containing the goddess. "...I believe it is about time we deal with her properly." You take the small bottle offered to you by Gilgamesh and he crosses his arms. Looks like it's up to you to decide what you want to do with Ishtar.

>"Do you think it would be possible to allow the spirit in this bottle to speak with us properly, Casters?"
>"Now, lets talk puppet bodies and potential vessels for this spirit shall we?"
>"Casters, do you think you will be able to divide the two divine souls that are entwined in this bottle? I have reason to believe Ereshkigal got caught up in Ishtar's summoning."
>Write-in...
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I wanna ask Gil and Enkidu how they feel about Ereshkigal first, and then ask if we can speak with Ishtar and Eresh at the same time.
Then we find out if she really helped Ilya while she was trapped.
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Next update will be in a new thredd.
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>>4790412
>Ask Sakura to lightly scare Ishtar with Tiamat for a second
>"Casters, do you think you will be able to divide the two divine souls that are entwined in this bottle? I have reason to believe Ereshkigal got caught up in Ishtar's summoning."
>Go through all options we can think on how to deal with Ishtar: depowered maid in new body and letting Illya eat rest of Ishtar`s divine powers, injection in Kaleidosword, Second Magic and it`s ability to get some "extra" doomed Rins to host divine spirits and if our Rin would be able to get anything out of it since connection through Second, mention depowering Ishtar by striping her of her artifacts or giving everything to Ereshkigal and putting her to work since she is the "nice one"
>Tell that you can help with Concepts if needs be
>Ask everyone`s opinion on those plans and if they have any ideas of their own
>Let Ishtar have a word to see if she has anything to add or beg for forgiveness

I think thats all we talked about?
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>"Gilgamesh, Enkidu, what do you know about Ereshkigal? I have reason to believe she is trapped alongside Ishtar, and may have assisted Ilya in fighting her."
>"Casters, do you think you will be able to divide the two divine souls that are entwined in this bottle?"
>"Do you think it would be possible to allow the spirit in this bottle to speak with us properly, Casters?"

Anything missing?
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>>4790437
I think this seems fine, we should see what we're working with before we start suggesting things. Are there two of them inside? How is easy are they to separate, their attitudes etc.
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>>4790437
>>4790439
I prefer scaring her first.
Ishtar wanted to consume Illya and does not deserve to be treated gently. She should see that exactly awaits her for doing that she did.
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>>4790444
I'll vote for yours if you add the asking Gil and Enkidu.
They're the ones that know her, and I wanna know their opinion.
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>>4790444
I don't want to frivolously use the Tiamat mode unless we really need it, and I think Ilya and Gilgamesh can scare her well enough.
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>>4790412
From >>4790432 to
>"Gilgamesh, Enkidu, what do you know about Ereshkigal? I have reason to believe she is trapped alongside Ishtar, and may have assisted Ilya in fighting her."
>"Casters, do you think you will be able to divide the two divine souls that are entwined in this bottle? I have reason to believe Ereshkigal got caught up in Ishtar's summoning."
>Go through all options we can think on how to deal with Ishtar: depowered maid in new body and letting Illya eat rest of Ishtar`s divine powers, injection in Kaleidosword, Second Magic and it`s ability to get some "extra" doomed Rins to host divine spirits and if our Rin would be able to get anything out of it since connection through Second, mention depowering Ishtar by striping her of her artifacts or giving everything to Ereshkigal and putting her to work since she is the "nice one"
>Tell that you can help with Concepts if needs be
>Ask everyone`s opinion on those plans and if they have any ideas of their own
>"Do you think it would be possible to allow the spirit in this bottle to speak with us properly, Casters?"

>>4790450
Mixed it together.
>>4790453
It would be really nice for terror but sure, I don`t think it is crucial.
And I think Sakura had enough control to maybe just show a bit of power? No way it is not recognizable right away.
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>>4790412
Support >>4790437
This seems fine.
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>>4790461
>>4790412
+1
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>>4790412
Changing to this then. >>4790461

But I didn't link the first one, so does it even count?
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>>4790412
>>4790461
Support.
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>>4790412
>>4790461
+1
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>>4790412
>>4790461
+1
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>>4790412
>>4790461
Support
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>>4790461
I have issues with the order. We should have the goddesses be able to talk first so they can participate in the conversation, even if only for Ishtar's fear. I would also like to ask the casters first to think of options and have us list only what they don't come up with by themselves so we don't monopolize the conversation, but this is secondary. And it seems a waste to have Sakura here and not have her show off a little to set the tone of the conversation.
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Vote called?
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I still can't get over how inconsistently shitty Babylonia is.
2km deep pit.
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>>4790508
Huh.
I though people like Babylonia.
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>>4790508
They hyped up an uber turbo giga nigga Beast who no-selled attacks from entities who were MUCH stronger than past Singularity bosses, there was no coherent writing themselves out of that hole
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>>4790511
They do.
Compared to a lot of the rest of FGO, it's great.
But Tiamat jobs hard at the end just so they can beat her in a really unbelievable fashion.
Why does it take somebody who is about a kilometer tall "Minutes" to climb up a 2km wall?
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>>4790498
>We should have the goddesses be able to talk first so they can participate in the conversation, even if only for Ishtar's fear
Purely depends if you want Ishtar to yell insults for banter or have her realize how powerless she is. She is not here as a friend or friend-enemy.
She is either submits and makes herself useful or she gets used as a tool. She shoul know her place.
>I would also like to ask the casters first to think of options and have us list only what they don't come up with by themselves so we don't monopolize the conversation, but this is secondary.
We have a lot of specialists here but only we aware about everyone else`s powers. Opening word going to us is more natural here.
>And it seems a waste to have Sakura here and not have her show off a little to set the tone of the conversation.
While I would love to see that scene myself I am not that interested in it to go against anons wanting to play it safe with Tiamat`s powers.
And if Ishtar will go apeshit upon being able to talk I am quite certain that Sakura will have her word.
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>>4790515
>Entities who were MUCH stronger than past Singularity bosses
Well, except Rhongo, who is majorly hyped up despite being a retard.
They beat her in an equally unsatisfying way too.
>there was no coherent writing themselves out of that hole
A literal hole in this case.
Why didn't Merlin reveal he could turn the Sea of Life into flowers earlier? Would've probably solved a lot of problems.
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>>4790524
>he could turn the Sea of Life into flowers
That stopped being effective after 5 minutes, too. Retard incompetent coomer wizard. I'm glad you let us teach him humility. Would be nice if he stayed due to betraying his own Alaya.
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>>4790524
>They beat her in an equally unsatisfying way too.
They just let her there.
I wanted to kill her dammit, or at least exorcise her.
If we do Camelot I wanna bring Saber Mordered and Jets (If we get him back) and style on them.
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>>4790529
He should Knight of Owner those mechachads.
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>>4790535
Knight of Owner that cuck Poseidon at least.
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>>4790412
Support >>4790461 plus
>Ask Sakura to lightly scare Ishtar with Tiamat for a second
I've been convinced about everything else, I still want to see this.

Phoneposting is such a fucking pain
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>>4790461
>>4790412
This +
>mock, bully and terrify Ishtar as much as possible
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>>4790427
don't tease me with avenger boudica.
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>>4790488
>>4790543
>>4790412
>Ask Sakura to lightly scare Ishtar with Tiamat for a second
Yeah, add that to my vote too, scaring ishtar is fun.
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>>4790412
>>4790543
supporting. let's terrorize her a bit.
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>>4790507
Did I not call it yet?
What's winning?
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>>4790561

>>4790461 is winning i guess.
People are now voting if we should add a "scare ishtar" to that.
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>>4790561
>"Gilgamesh, Enkidu, what do you know about Ereshkigal? I have reason to believe she is trapped alongside Ishtar, and may have assisted Ilya in fighting her."
>"Casters, do you think you will be able to divide the two divine souls that are entwined in this bottle? I have reason to believe Ereshkigal got caught up in Ishtar's summoning."
>Go through all options we can think on how to deal with Ishtar: depowered maid in new body and letting Illya eat rest of Ishtar`s divine powers, injection in Kaleidosword, Second Magic and it`s ability to get some "extra" doomed Rins to host divine spirits and if our Rin would be able to get anything out of it since connection through Second, mention depowering Ishtar by striping her of her artifacts or giving everything to Ereshkigal and putting her to work since she is the "nice one"
>Tell that you can help with Concepts if needs be
>Ask everyone`s opinion on those plans and if they have any ideas of their own
>"Do you think it would be possible to allow the spirit in this bottle to speak with us properly, Casters?"

With some votes to scare Ishtar with Tiamat Sakura.
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>>4790561
give it 15 more minutes, >>4790461 is winning but with addition of >>4790543
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Use Tiamat Sakura to spook Ishtar y/n?

I'll write the update now, and add it on if you want it.
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>>4790574
yes
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>>4790574
Yes.
I'm fine with it.
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>>4790574
Sure, if it is not a big deal to use it for dramatic effect.
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>>4790574
y
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>>4790574
yes
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>>4790574
Yes
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>>4790574
No.
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>>4790516
Tiamat is incredibly heavy, to the point she can't walk without her mud or fly without 2 giant rockets on her head as big as her body, the fact that she can climb a vertical wall at all without mud assistance or rockets on her back is what is surprising.
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>>4790610
Oh god I hope that's not the excuse that they actually used.
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>>4790610
Wait, no she's actually called weightless.
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>>4790625
>>4790627
Ishtar comments that tiamat cant even fly normally and was fucking scared when she began to.
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>>4790630
Yes, but it's still dumb.
I could understand if the hole was 20km deep, 200km deep.
But... 2km? That's just silly.
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>>4790627
Her mud is what is weightless not her Titan/Draconic body/shell that protects her saint graph
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>>4790634
Self-Modification (EX Rank): Beast II can remold her Saint Graph through her Sea of Life. She can expand the scale of her standard Saint Graph (Femme Fatale), to a "Draconic Body" over 60 meters in height. In that form, Beast II is able to cancel any attacks ranked A++ or lower.

Her draconic body is also 60M tall not a kilometer
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>>4790640
I know that, but she shouldn't be THAT slow, she does still have Agility C.
And she has Seven Grails worth of magical energy.
Saber with a single command spell jumped 4km in an instant in HA.
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>>4789995
nah i want Ishtarin too, and those Rins should've thought about that before they decided to be the inferior Rins
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>>4790645
I guess. its more obvious in the anime if you want to consider that.
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>>4790645
I feel like somebody should've told the artists that.
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>>4790651
That is her Titan form not her Draconic form. She takes draconic form after she falls into Kur.
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>>4790651
dragon form the one she transforms in kur
This one is something else, pretty sure.
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>>4790657
Her dragon form is just the world's least impressive thing, huh?
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>>4790647
OBVIOUSLY tiamat doesnt own a mana burst :^)
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>>4790661
I don't remember if she transformed into the Draconic form before or after Merlin shows up to turn her mud into flowers.

If it's after then she did it so she wasn't locked in one spot unable to move. If it's before I have no fucking idea why she changed besides the Nasu rule of "Older=better and Older=Dragon" to Tiamat I guess.
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>>4790661
she was weaken a lot by eresh and later by kind hassan, who knows how much of a difference that made.
So its not a plot hole, its just stupid.
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>>4790663
It's before, she transforms when she's hit with Eresh's Authority iirc.
But she immediately started corrupting the underworld with the Sea of Life anyway so ?????????????????????
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>>4790664
No, they literally defeat Tiamat by causing her to fall into a plot hole that was a Deus ex Machina to boot.
In fact, a whole lot of shit in FGO is solved via Deus ex Machina.
Almost everything.
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>>4790662
Doesn't her merely flexing her magical energy create something like a Hydrogen Bomb level explosion?
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>>4790672
>authorities lol
Also, just let it go, its silly and thats what it is.
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Update imminent, fairly large one too, let me get ready for a new thread...
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>>4790747
Nice. Updates have been meatier in general lately.

Not to self: Satsuki + Carnival = WhatIs on fire.
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>>4790747
If Ishtar is not broken yet I have another really good idea to finish the job.
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>>4790753
I always knew he was a Satsukibro
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>>4790770
>>4790770
>>4790770
Please relocate.



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