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The Grail War continues, and you've reunited two friends.

You are Shinji Makiri, Ten years ago you suddenly found yourself with the memories of a complete past life that saw this world as a fictional story due to some unprecedented form of inter-dimensional transportation. Since that day, your new composite being has been working to change the grim future laid out for you.

To that end, you have done much, involving yourself with events and situations that have shifted the future away from the one that you once would have faced and instead onto one of uncertainty and chaos.

The Fifth Holy Grail War lies ahead of you, and the challenge and danger it represents to you, the people you care for and the world itself is far greater than you could have ever predicted. Though the grail might be corrupted and the war itself might be a sham, the stakes couldn't be higher.

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Perhaps a map would work? Enkidu's Presence Detection should be more than good enough to effectively discern the position of everyone in the forest. Perhaps their appearances! Though that might be a little too much of a stretch for him to create, at least in a short period of time... and with Merlin purposely obfuscating things, that might just be more than a little bit difficult. Still, you have faith in Enkidu's abilities, just as you're about to go over to the two heroes though, something soft grabs you from behind, you and feel yourself being pulled into a warm embrace by Sakura. "I... I love you too, Onii-chan." She hugs you tightly from behind for a few moments, before she reluctantly lets you go, understanding that things are still dire. While you wouldn't mind spending hours like that, with so much at stake, neither of you can spend the time it would need to figure out your apparently now romantic relationship. Also, for as much as you love Sakura, you... might not be able to let yourself be monopolized by her. After all, it's not just Sakura that your heart seems to yearn for anymore.

When Sakura lets you go, you walk over to the two heroes, who are seemingly chatting amicably with one another, though they stop speaking when you approach, and Enkidu greets you. "Ah! My savior, Gilgamesh was just telling me about you." Enkidu gives you a respectful bow, that you weren't really expecting. Gilgamesh doesn't follow along with Enkidu's gesture, of course, but he does smile at you, which unnerves you. "I need to thank you for the ability that you granted me too, now nothing shall be able to separate me from my dear friend again." Enkidu creeps a little closer to Gilgamesh.

"I'm glad that you're happy with the results, Enkidu." You smile at the beautiful green haired man. "Would you mind if I asked you for a favor?" You wonder just how Enkidu is planning to make use of the gift of Liberation that has been granted to him.

"A favor?" Enkidu tilts his head at you slightly, wondering just what it is that you could want from him.

"That's right, I understand that you've got a powerful ability to detect the presences of other people, correct?" You already know that he has the ability, you're more just asking to gauge whether or not he'd actually be willing to help you or not by using it, which considering the circumstances, would be tremendously irritating if he didn't.

"Yes, that's right, do you want me to discern the locations of your enemies for you?" Enkidu asks you really quite earnestly, it seems that he's eager to please you, and even Gilgamesh doesn't seem to mind all too much. Guess he's just that grateful for all that you've done for him, in fact, if you asked him, he'd probably actually agree to accepting you as a friend, especially if Enkidu didn't raise any complaints. Though now isn't really the time for that.
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"Not quite, I want to know if you will could use your abilities to make a map out of the surrounding area, like... of the forest? With clay figures representing the Servants that you could detect. You can detect their appearances to some degree too, right? That might help me figure out who we're up against here."

"I can do something like that, yes, Shinji." Enkidu quickly turns around and places a palm on the floor. As he closes his eyes. "Give me a few minutes to create it though, you're asking for quite a lot from me..." Enkidu quickly gets to work.

"So, Gilgamesh, what exactly happened with Enkidu? Do you know how he was summoned here? Also, shouldn't you bring Ayaka back as well? It might be an idea to form a proper contract with her, as a magus, her abilities aren't the greatest, but it would be better to have somebody providing you with magical energy, wouldn't it? It would also allow you to get better acquanited with her, I'm sure."

"Hmmph, you might be correct about that, Outsider. And as for Enkidu... I believe that he was summoned by the girl in the grail, as a trap to kill me with. She knew that I wouldn't flee from Enkidu, even if it ended up costing me my life." Gilgamesh is oddly taking a moment of self-reflection. "The girl would never have been as much of a threat if I simply destroyed the Holy Grail ten years ago. Even if she would have still attempted to invade this world, she wouldn't have had such free access to a near limitless reserve of Magical Energy, and she wouldn't have been able to enslave All the World's Evil to her own will either." Wow, guess that means that Gilgamesh really has seen the error of his ways then? Being around Enkidu really does chill him out, doesn't it? "Also, you're definitely correct about your other suggestion, I think it's about time that I took a Master again after Kirei was killed." Gilgamesh doesn't sound at all bothered by Kirei's death, then again, why would he? Enkidu is here now, and he obviously likes Enkidu and Ayaka far far more than he likes Kirei. You don't doubt that if they asked him, Gilgamesh would give Enkidu or Ayaka any treasure they wished from his treasury.

A portal suddenly opens in the air, and Ayaka falls out of it, into Gilgamesh's arms. "Eep!" She makes a surprised noise as she falls into the arms of the King of Heroes, but then another portal opens, and another figure falls through it. Namely, the hooded SHIKI.

"Outsider, while I appreciate that you were concerned for the safety of Ayaka, I don't appreciate being stalked and observed from a distance." Gilgamesh looks down at the fallen SHIKI. "Also, I suggest you ensure that you train your spies better in the future. Immortality is no excuse for a lack of skill." The King of Heroes frowns at SHIKI, who quickly gets up, and upon noticing the presence of Shiki, still sitting atop Alítheia, who has now landed, and looking very confused by everything that has been happening around him, stays silent.
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Gilgamesh then proceeds to put Ayaka down on the floor before he reaches a hand into the Gate of Babylon, grabbing what seems to be a small red sphere of energy, and handing it to Ayaka. "W-what's this?" The girl hesitates for a moment as she reaches out to take the orb. She still doesn't seem to know what to make of the overly forceful Gilgamesh, but she doesn't seem to dislike being in his presence. She's wearing her glasses at the moment, you wonder how she feels about Gilgamesh breaking her original set.

"A set of command spells condensed into a physical form." Gilgamesh explains just as the girl takes hold of the orb, which disappears in a flash of light the moment she grabs it. "There we go, now you're my Master, Ayaka." Gilgamesh has a smile on his face, he so easily just cheated the system by just... grabbing a set of Command Spells from the Gate of Babylon. What a damn cheater that he is, then again, considering that your capabilities with Truth are just as varied as Gilgamesh's with the Gate of Babylon, maybe you shouldn't judge.

[Status Updated!]

You look around to see Enkidu's progress, and are pretty amazed to see that already he had managed to create a perfect microcosm of the forest itself. The map is fairly large, and you watch as the finishing touches are done to the map, as the last of the clay figurines seems to form. You look at the map, soon finding the groups that are supposed to represent you and your allies, noticing the Mordred figurine. The detailing is just about enough to work out who she is, but that's mostly thanks to her armor being so distinct.

You look at the unfamiliar group of clay figures on the map of the forest first, looking at the larger group of that seems to slowly be making its way towards the Einzbern Castle's ruins. It's larger than you had first thought, consisting of 11 people. A man wearing a suit, a hooded girl, a girl with hair bunched in drills, a smaller boy without many distinguishing features, a gruff looking man wearing sunglasses, another small girl and... God damn it. This is Waver's group! What the hell is he doing in the forest? You look at the Servants instead. Of those, you can see a man wearing a mask and a tattered cloak, a somewhat tall woman with a long blade, a man with oriental looking armor and a bow, another man with armor, though this one has a blade. Another man with a cloak and... no shirt. Six Masters and five Servants. Looks like Enkidu wasn't capable of seeing through Assassin's Presence Concealment from this far away.
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Still, with the rough appearances of that faction in mind, you begin to look around the rest of the forest to find the other enemy Servants. Finding them isn't all that difficult, thanks to Enkidu pointing them out to you. First off he shows you two swordsmen, one of them is obviously Siegfried, as you had already guessed, while the other is wearing full armor, not much help. Next you are pointed to a somewhat short looking figurine, wearing what looks like a relatively modern looking military uniform. Then to the next clay figure, a tall woman with a spear and a dragons tail. You don't get much time to figure out who it might be before you're pointed to another figure wearing armor, but this one very much a woman, then one last set of a small girl with a staff and a girl following close to her.

"That's about all of them that I could find in the forest, I couldn't see into the temple though, or underneath the ruined castle, for that matter." Enkidu explains that even he has blind-spots. "And if they had any Assassin's I'd need to be close to detect them, or their presence concealment would need to be awfully low."

"Thank you, Enkidu. I want to ask both you and Gilgamesh a question now." You really would appreciate being able to get these two on side for dealing with Orochi. Working together, there is very little that they couldn't do. Even slaying the greatest of all Divine Beasts was possible for the two of them as a team. "Can I count on your assistance in dealing with Yamata-no-Orochi?"

"Of course, Outsider. My Clairvoyance may have been sealed from me by the machinations of the girl with the backing of the grail, but it can still function in occasional flashes if the events occurring are great enough. Events such as the creation of a Beast... or at least the creation of one on the edge of becoming a true Beast" Gilgamesh crosses his arms. "I had originally planned to come to this forest to destroy the Beast, actually, but I was... distracted by Enkidu's presence." Understandable. "It would be a pleasure to assist you in the destruction of this Snake God." Gilgamesh frowns. Seems he understands the direness of the situation. He's only giving Sakura a wide birth, it looks like the idea that there is a human being with the capability to control the power of Tiamat has really managed to... unnerve him.

>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
>"Actually, Enkidu can you give me some more information on one of the figures? You only did a quick glance at them for their appearances, right? Can you give me more information on... (Which figures?)
>"Actually, I want to go after somebody else before going after Orochi." (Who?)
>"Can I ask you two to delay the other Servants while I go and deal with Orochi?"
>Write-in...
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>>4747573
>>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
Lets go fucking kill Orochi already
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>>4747573
>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
Let's fucking kill Wormpa already, he has long since overstayed his welcome.
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>>4747573
>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
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Surprised you guys aren't guessing the figures.
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>>4747573
>He's only giving Sakura a wide birth
Lmao
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>>4747570
>neither of you can spend the time it would need to figure out your apparently now romantic relationship
it took 10 years to be in a relationship with Sakura and it took Shirou less than a week to lose his v card and get engaged with Saber. He's simply on another level

>After all, it's not just Sakura that your heart seems to yearn for anymore
manwhore Shinji
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Before anything else I have to share the good news

"That what until now we haven't yet awakened; the Great War Vessel —"
"Its name be as the Settsu-Shiki Oo-Gusoku Kumano."
"A fragment of a vast vessel from a shore far distant what here drifted."

Not even in Japan can you escape the Greek Mechachads
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>>4747573
>>>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
I hope Ayaka has more time to shine, and Shiki too.
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>>4747589
Blame Kintoki and the Douman Singularity/Lostbelt
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>>4747573
>woman with a spear and a dragons tail
LIZ?!

also
>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
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>>4747573
>a tall woman with a spear and a dragons tail.
Looks like we are adding Vritra to our team.

>Write-in...
>>Contact Medea and ask her how things went with Chiyome and Ishtar
>Inform Gilgamesh and Enkidu about it, they might be interested...
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>>4747572
>you can see a man wearing a mask and a tattered cloak
ITS FUCKING PERSEUS, or maybe not, considering the mask is supposed to hide him unless you see him directly

>somewhat tall woman with a long blade
Raikou?

>a man with oriental looking armor and a bow
Tawara?
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>>4747591
I have and will continue to hate Nasu's attempt to appeal to /m/
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>You must go on to defeat the forces of Yamata-no-Orochi, as well as those who oppose him.
We will fight them one way or the other.
It is either give Orochi an opening to eat some more Servants but have Gil and Enkidu for a fight or have Gil and Enkidu delay other group so we have more intimate fight.
You could argue for either idea. But having ability to chain Orochi for Shiki to do his job seems smarter.
>>4747573
>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
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>>4747573
>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
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>>4747582
>a man wearing a mask and a tattered cloak
Most likely Phantom of the Opera
>a somewhat tall woman with a long blade
This can be... Anyone. Raikou? Okita Alter? Altera? Suzuka?
>man with oriental looking armor and a bow
Tawara Touta?
>short looking figurine, wearing what looks like a relatively modern looking military uniform. Then to the next clay figure, a tall woman with a spear and a dragons tail.
Nobu and Liz
>small girl with a staff and a girl following close to her
Castoria and Gwyn? Medea Lily and Circe? Loli Vinci-chan and Mashu
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>>4747602
Gil's chains should absolutely hold Orochi, they aren't unbreakable but at the level of Godhood Orochi is at, they may as well be
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>>4747573
>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
Alright. Map did its job and we didn't waste any time.

>>4747582
Patience. It was only ten minutes.
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>a man wearing a mask and a tattered cloak

>a somewhat tall woman with a long blade

>a man with oriental looking armor and a bow

>another man with armor, though this one has a blade

>Another man with a cloak and... no shirt

>Siegfried

>the other is wearing full armor, not much help

> a somewhat short looking figurine, wearing what looks like a relatively modern looking military uniform

> tall woman with a spear and a dragons tail

>another figure wearing armor, but this one very much a woman

>one last set of a small girl with a staff and a girl following close to her.


Time to get to work.
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>>4747596
Man with mask and cloak could be Assassin Kerry
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>>4747609
>Another man with a cloak and... no shirt
LEONIDAS
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>>4747606
>>small girl with a staff and a girl following close to her
It's a fighting staff.
This one is a very easy guess, considering you already know who it is.
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>>4747616
WuKong?
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>>4747618
Very likely to be, yes.
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>>4747618
yeah its Wukong
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>>4747619
I forgot you made her a loli

based
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>>4747598
Just for you.
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>>4747619
Munky
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>>4747624
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
Hey how would you guys feel about Night of Wallachia just deciding to show up RIGHT NOW?
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>a somewhat tall woman with a long blade
QM I would be ever thankful.
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>>4747606
>NOBU
oh god YES please. Been wanting Nobu to show up. Hopefully we can get her to join our side. (Liz too if its actually her)
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wait does anyone remember Waver's team and their rolls? I remember they only had 2 bad rolls and the rest were in the 90s, I think its safe to assume that they have at least 3 top tier servants so a Perseus and a Raikou makes sense, i think the hidden one we could discern might be Li Shuwen since us and Enkidu guessed Assassin as the missing servant and Li Shuwen has some absolute bullshit with his invisibility

>>4747630
don't do this to us man
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>>4747623
Wukong is a shapeshifter, her true form is a stone monkey, who hatched from a stone egg, that was laid by a stone womb, from a stone.
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>>4747630
Hype. Let's recalibrate this phenomenon a bit. We need more allies
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>>4747637
You would seriously be so fucked if TATARI did show up in Fuyuki right now.
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Analysis time: Enkidu really was summoned by Manaka, but it wasn't retaliation for us nabbing her toy. This is good because it means she can't or won't respond to this. This is bad because it means she can summon more help.

We're having Chiyome train SHIKI at first opportunity, this was embarassing.

>Waver's group
>Of those, you can see a man wearing a mask and a tattered cloak
Has to be Perseus
>a somewhat tall woman with a long blade
Minamoto
>a man with oriental looking armor and a bow,
?
>another man with armor, though this one has a blade.
?
>Another man with a cloak and... no shirt.
?
Of note, none of the above should be a Saber, as Sasaki should be part of this group of 7. Unless they hacked the grail to allow overlapping classes, which is not that unlikely. I wonder where Merlin is.

>Orochi's group
>a somewhat short looking figurine, wearing what looks like a relatively modern looking military uniform
Nobunaga
>Then to the next clay figure, a tall woman with a spear and a dragons tail.
Vritra. The drawfag will be happy.
>another figure wearing armor, but this one very much a woman
?
>a small girl with a staff and a girl following close to her.
Goddamnit Sun, why are you dragging your Master to the middle of the battlefield?

Also, I am a very happy Sakurafag today.
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>>4747635
You think its Redline Nobu?
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>>4747643
Dunno if it is but it’d be fucking cool if it was Redline Nobu
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>>4747643
>>4747648
Nobu in Japan is fucking busted man we're in for a real fight
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>>4747642
>We're having Chiyome train SHIKI at first opportunity, this was embarassing.
You really thought paranoid Gilgamesh of all people wouldn't notice he was being tailed?
SHIKI may have confused "Not being noticed" with "Not being considered relevant enough to react to."
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>>4747589
Going by this, you aren't using Ibuki and Orochi from canon, right? Since Ibuki was fucking retardedly busted, even compared to this Orochi.
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>>4747653
i was surprised he didn't throw a sword at him for tailing him
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>>4747653
No, I certainly expected Gilgamesh to have noticed and not cared. It was still embarrassing.
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>man wearing a mask and a tattered cloak
Perseus
>a somewhat tall woman with a long blade
Raikou
>a man with oriental looking armor and a bow
Somebody who hates someone from our group, probably friend of Raikou
>another man with armor, though this one has a blade
Gawain
>Another man with a cloak and... no shirt
Leonidas
>the other is wearing full armor, not much help
Vortigern
>a somewhat short looking figurine, wearing what looks like a relatively modern looking military uniform
Nobu
>tall woman with a spear and a dragons tail
Vritra
>another figure wearing armor, but this one very much a woman
Nero
>one last set of a small girl with a staff and a girl following close to her.
Wukong

And hidden Assassin is Li Shuwen.
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>>4747657
You've not seen half of what Orochi can do yet, he's been toying with you.
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>>4747658
What's the point?
Gilgamesh realized he was an immortal, so he'd just be wasting his time and the time of the person trailing him.
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>>4747573
>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
It's likely Raikou, but I can dream dammit. Plus qm said he might add a gyaru.
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Are you people seriously not going to check over how the operation with Chiyome went? Wasn't Alcides key to taking down Orochi?
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>>4747661
Cu seems like the odd man out if none of the servants here are his rival or enemy but everyone else got theres, I'm kinda expecting one of them to be Fergus, if not, we gotta summon Scathach with Flat's bullshit for that grudge match
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>>4747666
We'll get Vritra, don't worry.

>>4747667
They'll contact us when it's over. The last thing they need is for us to be distractring them in the middle of the operation.
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>>4747573
>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"


>>4747635
Guess I know who will be the next ruler of Japan.
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>>4747662
That actually makes a lot of sense. Ibuki is called a Great Keshou and a God on the level of Lostbelt Zeus. Great Keshou Tamamo BTFOs 100 Heroic Spirits and Lostbelt Zeus is self-explanatory.

Regarding Ibuki's Kusanagi, it is said that a faint glimmer of its strength destroyed 8 Mountains and carved 8 Valleys and Rivers. Fucker mogged a Fantasy Tree casually.

I expected some bullshit from Orochi so its not a surprise in that direction. Just have to get ready to bust some mountains and landscapes.

Fucking RIP secrecy if we're doing mythology scale battles
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>>4747667
We're supposed to get an interlude plus we sent like 10 people to deal with it
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It's not Raikou y'all. Raikou is 5'10, a head taller than Shinji himself, and one of the tallest women in the Nasuverse, and the description said that it's a *somewhat* tall woman. That woman is most likely Okita Alter, who's usually really short but gains 3 inches due to her weird platform boots.
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>>4747642
Do we see what kind of armor it is? European plate? Japanese?
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>>4747675
Why is everyone a manlet
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>>4747675
>5'10
>one of the tallest women in the Nasuverse
just kill me now
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>>4747678
Tall women intimidate the Japanese.
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>>4747676
I assume European, it'd have been specified if it Japanese. As it was for the others.

>>4747678
Japan
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>>4747573
>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"

If it is Okita Alter then that means Alaya is entering Counter Guardians now
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>>4747679
Well, there's always Kingprotea.
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>>4747685
She's the tallest servant AND the fastest servant.
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>>4747662
I hope it will be fun at least.
>>4747667
>Wasn't Alcides key to taking down Orochi?
That was Shiki.
Alcides was extra help to hold him down. Now we have Gil and Enkidu.
>>4747675
Okita Alter would be really nice gift from Alaya to us so I am not counting on it.
>>4747670
Aife is here too, remember?
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>>4747685
And Bunyan (though her actual height and size are inconsistent due to them always changing)
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>>4747685
Being a giant doesn't count, she's not tall proportionally.
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>>4747688
I completely forgot about her, mostly cause she showed up once and then left
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>>4747688
Speaking of gifts from Alaya. When this is over, we should convince her to give us EMIYA and TOHSAKA.
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>Lancer Artoria towers over a lot of servants.
>She's 1.70m
Jesus Christ I'm a short and I'm taller than her.
How short are Shinji and Shirou?
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>>4747692
Well there's always Quetz, who is either 181cm tall or 188cm tall, depending on whether you're using the Game or the Materials Book.
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>>4747703
Shirou is 167cm and Shinji gained 2 cm here for some reason and is 169cm
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Japanese man with bow is probably Touta.

Japanese man with sword could be Yagyu Munenori?
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>>4747703
Shirou just hasn't finished growing.
He'll be 187cm tall when he's done.
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>>4747693
It must suck to be Aife, she's only here so Alan can count as a Master.
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>>4747709
Yo wait, what if it's fucking male Musashi
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>>4747685
The battle of the OSF and Orochi's forces is between us and the castle, right? I'm thinking we should strafe them and have Obeith use her Noble Phantasm to turn the tide of battle.

Also, guys, we didn't see Paracelsus anywhere. I BET Orochi has him helping with whatever it is he's doing. What would he need an Alchemist or the Philosopher's Stone for?

>>4747707
>for some reason
Better nutrition and exercise
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>>4747704
We're using the Materials Book and summoning Quetz or so help me I will samefag spam into all the dead ends if we don't get a tall mommy servant gf.
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Abby is taller than Nero
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>>4747710
Time to grind for that Self-Modification at very least.
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Fuck now I want Male Musashi so Sasaki can get his rival and he can beat the shit out of everyone with a boat oar
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>>4747713
It's all the nutrition bars you keep eating off panel.
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Oh shit, I just realised. Sun was with Orochi's group. Chiyome got her Master with the mind control poison.
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>>4747715
>if we don't get a tall mommy servant gf.
Gorgon and Raikou exist
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>>4747685
she is adorable
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>>4747713
Philosopher's Stones are fucking versatile. Even disregarding the cosmic assloads of magic based on it, its basically magic soul quantum computronium
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>>4747573
>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
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>>4747710
isnt EMIYA 190cm or something? Shirou gets tall as fuck.
>>4747722
ah, we should her about it after she finishes.
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Did the drawfag ever finish the fairy saber pic?
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>>4747728
I guess magecraft makes you keep growing, Kirei somehow got taller from FZ to FSN
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>>4747723
i just told you raikou is a 5'10 barely above average femoid and gorgon is an actual womanlet.
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>>4747731
Yeah, check the previous tread.
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>>4747734
And yet they're both taller than Shinji
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>>4747737
i blame 16th century jap manlet wormpa genes.
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>>4747738
isnt this just the rough draft?

its fine if he just does this, it looks good.
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Praying for Okitalter and her stupid shoes.
I love them.
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>>4747740
Well if history is any indication Shinji is gonna keep growing and become slightly taller than EMIYA when he reaches his 30s
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Also, should we just go kill orochi? I dont want to let him perform yet another magic bullshit to fuck us.
And we have motivated gilgamesh with us.
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At this point I just ignore canon sizes entirely because I cannot conceptualize a world where all the great conquerors of antiquity are shorter than me.
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>>4747745
Oh yeah thats a long ass sword. It's probably her.
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>>4747748
I say we strafe the battle real quick. A little bombing and Obeith's Noble Phantasm should turn it into a rout and it should be on our way.
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>>4747748
Yes, just fucking kill him, throw everything we can at him, he's most certainly gonna target Gil though so we should be careful
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>>4747749
Glorious nippon has short people, so for the japanese its hard to think someone that has 175cm as "normal" because of that they made everyone small because its the average for then.
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>>4747745
Love her shoes.
>>4747748
We need to hold him long enough for Shiki with shroud to slash his Death Points. Preferably killing Orochi`s soul.
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>Buffed beyond all belief Enkidu
>Motivated Gil who actually buffed himself for the fight
>Fairy Queen of Dragons Artoria who can buff everyone
>Tiamat-Sakura
>Shiki and SHIKI
>Alitheia
>Chad Second Magician Kaleido Rin

yeah no wormpa is as good as dead
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I think the moment Alcides comes roaring back, we get him to spam Hydra tipped arrows at Orochi, he's completely fucked at that point regardless of it does damage or not, he won't be able to think things clearly anymore and complete whatever dumb shit ritual he's going for
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>>4747748
>And we have motivated gilgamesh with us.
This vastly improves our odds. Especially with his boyfriend right next to him.
I do hope Chiyome gets Ishtar quick, so her and Alcides can help us. They're perfect against orochi.
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>>4747762
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yyAgk9der4
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Som next interlude before the next update?
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>>4747762
I think we're still in the early stages of the Orochi fight, given how stupidly HUEG his powerlevels should be.
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>>4747768
Yes.
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>>4747771
if gilgamesh decides to ea gg he is quite fucked.
we need to bind him to attack all of him.
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>>4747779
If he uses Ea on a high enough setting yea, otherwise I can see Orochi surviving or even blowing it away. It doesn't just have a "Ea does this much", otherwise every use would end the World basically.
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>>4747779
I'm sure it won't be nearly as easy. Remember, how many times we've already avoided something worse than a dead end with a write-in, and remember we're not even in the main battle yet. Overconfidence will get us worse than killed.
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>Class: Archer
>Master: Ayaka Sajyou
>True Name: Gilgamesh
>Height: 182cm
>Weight: 68kg
>Alignment: Chaotic Good

Gil finally has his page. I guess he trusts us now?
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>>4747772
Nice.
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>>4747783
Also it's a bad idea to ask Gil to use Ea, he has a good opinion of us, let's not ruin that
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>>4747784
I am somewhat disappointed it's not an ascii of him dabbing on us.
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>>4747787
That too, yes. We should remember that he is the only one we cannot order around and expect it to go well.
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>>4747787
We should ask him to unveil his strongest Noble Phantasm. The one that is sure to win any battle in which it is used.
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Gonna be extremely funny when Tamamo or Shuten call us husband in front of Sakura and she yells at them
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>>4747787
Just play chinese whispers and ask Enkidu to ask him to use Ea
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>>4747783
Also, yeah definitely don't get overconfident. Worst case scenario reading is that Orochi (specifically Ibuki who is basically Orochi, or at least has a Tamamo-Amaterasu like connection?) being Lostbelt Zeus level existence is that power levels somewhat parallel.

Given that Zeus at 35% with most of his Anti-Concept, Anti-Spacetime, Anti-Planet shit sealed was equalling Killsat Artemis who is by herself Anti-Planet, even tho usually she just deleted islands.

This is not that absurd for Orochi if we take the stated power of Kusanagi at face value, where a fraction (or glimmer) carves 8 mountains into valleys and rivers.

Basically, if we expect the worst case scenario we are definitely going to be doing some hardcore landscaping, even if we stack Anti-Divine shit from Gil's vault and Enkidu+Alcides+Shiki 4

This is the most pessimistic reading, but it should be kept in mind that if its easier than this, we should definitely give thanks. Based on canon, so unknown amount of changes are expected of course etc. Just here for a reminder.
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>>4747787
Not ask him, just him using it, remember that he came here to kill orochi.
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>>4747795
>"Gil, I need you to make Orochi a girl. I know you have NP for this. Trust me, it will work!"
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>>4747798
Yk, I forgot that Enkidu is Gil without the baggage and that he'd be more than willing to listen
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>>4747803
I mean, there's a way to do that.
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>>4747662
This activated my paranoia.
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>>4747797
One problem at a time. First we save the world from Orochi, then we save it from the Shinjibowl going nuclear.

>>4747801
I don't think Orochi will be THAT strong, but we should definitely be at the top of our game at all times or we'll get half our allies killed without dead-ending.
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>>4747803
>>4747809
This could work. If we turn Orochi into a female then Wormpa wouldnt be able to stop himself from stuffing her cunt full of worms.
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>>4747809
Have Shuten vore her Saint Graph and assimilate it? They are like the same thing in different stages.
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Fall of a Goddess
Interlude Start


"Jason! Complete your Noble Phantasm!"

The girl calls out, and Chiyome braces herself for an attack... Only for nothing to happen. The Noble Phantasm does indeed activate, and the vessel fully turns into a whole new boat, however... No Servants are summoned, and Chiyome completes her descent, landing atop the tiny girl and placing her hand on her forehead without encountering any resistance from the two Servants. While the tattooed man looks very much aware of her attack, she doesn't have a weapon drawn, so could it be that he's realized she has no hostile intent towards the girl?

She can feel the curse of the goddess upon the girl begin to break apart just from a single touch, but before she can properly exorcise the entire divine curse from the girl, she is thrown off with superhuman strength. "Guh... I don't know who the hell you think you are, Assassin, but if you think you can break my control over th-" The girl's face suddenly contorts in pain. "Avenger! Help her! Restrain me!" Red patterns of light erupt in a flash all over the girl's body twice in a row as the unwilling host of the goddess orders her Servant to assist her.

The tattooed man needs no command spells to assist Chiyome, and rapidly moves towards the goddess, grabbing her firmy with his two arms and preventing her from moving a muscle. "-Nnnh! You dare defy me, you little worm?! I'll make the people you care about suffe-" Chiyome, having heard enough from the goddess, clasps her hand over her mouth, preventing her from sullying the tongue of her lord's friend any further, and at the same time, she draws forth the sealing bottle.

The goddess inhabiting the girl begins to struggle madly to escape the grip of Alcides, trying her hardest to utter a command spell, but with Chiyome's hand preventing her from uttering a word, is quite unable to accomplish such a thing. The curse of the goddess is exceptionally strong, but merely the first touch shook her control of the girl enough that she was capable of taking back control of her body temporarily

With her power over curses, finally fully breaking the curse the goddess has over the girl is somewhat simple when she maintains contact with her for ten seconds, but instead of forcing the curse to dissolve entirely, Chiyome draws the now mostly inert curse from the body of the girl, raising the bottle and allowing the sentient energy that made up the goddess to flow inside of it. The process is done in only 10 seconds, and the girl's head slumps to the side, the tattooed man immediately loosens his grip on the girl when the goddess is gone. The girl is asleep, it seems. The effort of having a goddess purged from her system was too much.

"Is she... going to be OK?" The tattooed man asks her, at this point he's definitely realized that they are allies.
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>>4747812
I mean...That is how strong Ibuki/Orochi was in canon, so that's what I'm going off of. Explicitly a Lostbelt (5th Apocryphal Belt) Zeus level existence, the Kusanagi is described but it cut a Fantasy Tree which pins a Texture, and she was called the greatest Dragon of Calamity. It could be weaker...I guess? for some reason.
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"I cannot say, the curse was exceptionally powerful, after all. She wasn't lying when she said she was almost finished absorbing the girl. I did what I could to reverse the absorption process, but until the girl awakens, the long term effects of this possession on the girl's mind shall be unclear." She raises the bottle to look at it. She really hopes that her lord appreciates the gift, it was unrequested of her to do something like this, but somehow she feels like her lord will appreciate it. Especially seeing as even if the girl is missing some aspects of her personality, it should theoretically be possible to magically dissect this curse to retrieve them. "Now, we should return to his base of operations." She had originally had a signal she was supposed to give to the rest of her allies to begin the attack if she was to run into trouble, but it wasn't needed after all. She hoped that her lord would be proud of her.

Interlude Out.
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>>4747797
The Beauty of Trouble with Women
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hm, should have voted for the castle
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>>4747824
Orochi has unknown Noble Phantasms, and if he wants, he can have every single one of his physical attacks made from each of his eight heads and eight tails be equal to A+++ Anti-Country Attacks
There may however be a reason that he hasn't just destroyed Asia yet.
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>>4747826
>She hoped that her lord would be proud of her.
BEST NINJA
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>>4747826
We're putting Ishtar into a human puppet of Rin and removing any magic or divinity she has. Now BB has a clone friend.
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>>4747823
>>4747826
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>>4747826
Based Chiyome
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>>4747826
>She really hopes that her lord appreciates the gift
This is gonna be extremely fucking fun


>She hoped that her lord would be proud of her.
We should do something nice for her
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>>4747835
Human puppet of her original form, I'd say. After we dissect her for whatever she took from Illya. I hope her soul can feel pain.
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>>4747835
Nah I don't wanna put her into a Rin puppet body, gonna feel extremely bad having someone that looks like Rin get killed a few hundred times by Alcides, Gil and Enkidu
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>>4747826
>There were people that wanted to kill her when Tamamo restrained her.
BEST NINJA
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>>4747833
Counter Guardian's would get BTFO by him, so I guess he wants to do something like eat all the leylines in Asia or something.
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>>4747842
>>4747843
Yikes you guys are really out to torture the useless goddess huh? I guess she kind of deserves it based on her Strage/Fake personality.
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>>4747839
>We should do something nice for her
From previous Interlude.
>Her lord had given her his orders, and she would see to their completion, no matter what. While she would've liked the opportunity to get to know the man who broke her curse a little better, she also understood the dire circumstances that her lord faced right now. To face the Gods with such confidence, he was truly a special person. Still, it was not the place of a ninja like her to wish for more of her lord's time than was necessary, she would assist him from the shadows, as all ninja should.
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>>4747843
Rinshtar is based. Sadly this one seems to be SF-ish Ishtar.
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>>4747830
The true final boss was the harem we made along the way.
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would being put inside a reality marble cancel any bonus he gets from being in japan?
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>>4747826
Chiyome will definitely be quite high on the list in the next best girl poll.
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>>4747846
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>>4747849
Its true
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>>4747832
>Gareth
A reminder that in his retard rage UNRIVALLED punched her so hard it broke her skull and probably just straight up exploded her head.
What an asshole.
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>>4747846
I don't really want to torture her. I think her serving Illya under some kind of obedience curse would be best. Both for Illya's satisfaction and Ishtar's suffering, as she has to serve the lowly mortal homunculus she sought to overtake instead.

Tbh I don't hate her that much even so to torture her. My hate is weak.
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>>4747846
>>4747848
Ishtarin is based, regular Ishtar deserves it. Don't know if we want to punish her and put her in a different puppet body or just leave her to be Illya's maid and put her in a Rin puppet body
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>>4747848
Rinshtar got more mellow from the Rin influence. Einzbern homunculus Ishtar seems to be her original turbocunt self.
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>>4747860
Eh, you’re probably right, we'll put her in a Rin puppet body and threaten to give her to Gil and Enkidu if she dares act out
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Did she make you proud?

Anyway, going to face Orochi won, right?
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I thought about doing some omega brain scheme and trying to steal Ishtar's Authority of Venus and somehow using it and God's Blessing to try stealing power from the idea of Lucifer as Morning Star(Venus), but that may be too much ambition.

It's better to scheme after the War
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>>4747869
Yes to both.
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>>4747869
Getting on the dragon won. I guess Alitheia is the go to Orochi directly route?
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>>4747869
>spoiler
Oh, yes.

Flying off won, yes. I still say we strafe the battle real quick on the way.
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>>4747869
Yes. I think she in top 5 in terms of strength in our faction right now?
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I think we should also give props to Jason, he did some big brain moves here and pushed Chiyome to victory. We should convince Medea to spare him
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>>4747878
Yeah, definitely. He's a slimy cockroach, but we owe him one.
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>>4747877
She's not really strong, she's mid tier at best, she's just absurdly great in this one avenue, that being curses
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>>4747878
I think Jason did good. I am also of the mind to sacrifice him for the greater good. As an offering for confessing to Sakura first and not Medea. RIP
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>>4747881
Also at being a Ninja, and we don't have anyone else that could possibly fill that role. She's not strong in direct combat, but she's strong in exactly what we were missing.
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>>4747846
Alcides is right. FUCK the gods.
I've yet to see one who wasn't a complete dick.
But fuck Ishtar in particular.
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>>4747882
She'll forgive us, we gutpunched her ex for badmouthing her. But she needs to be next or there will be blood.
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>>4747885
The order ideally should be Medea next, then Tamamo, then probably Satsuki? If we go by order of...safety. Ideally.
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>>4747881
Curses, poisons and everything anti-evil
If her Noble Phantasm is still bunrei she can match just about anyone by using it smart.
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You think we can impose a concept on Jason's ship and make it so it brings in people that are simply related to the Argonauts too? Would love to see Chiron and Achilles

>>4747885
Satsuki crying in the corner
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>>4747884
Quetzalcoatl?
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>>4747885
It was actually a kidney punch, not a gut punch. Far more damaging and painful.
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>>4747891
I mean WE haven't personally seen any.
Isn't she also taking someone else's body like Ishtarin tho?
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We should tell everyone around us to watch out for surprise Li Shuwen just in case. Sphere Boundary is retarded.
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>>4747887
I think we can buy time with Satsuki she already thinks we're a couple
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>>4747896
She is manifesting in the body of someone who has in the past hosted her bacteria godbody. Technically its Ghost Liner like ether-body like a Servant as we see her.
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Ishtar Rin! Ishtar Rin!

Now to give it to Rin and have the kaladeosword buff her base form. I wonder how much she would love a goddess divine core.
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>>4747887
If Sakura and Medea start working together, they'll definitely be able to handle Tamamo. One is immune to magecraft, the other is a better mage than the fox.

We just need to work things out with the two mothers of our daughter, and the Shinjibowl will pretty much resolve itself.

>>4747889
Satsuki route never, ever.
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>>4747903
Kinda don't wanna do that, it might effect her personality and those are some weird implications
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We need to deal with the romance issue right after dealing with Orochi. We should have free time then.
Can't delay it anymore. Sakura, Medea, Tamamo and Shuten have all kissed Shinji already. It'll go real bad if we do nothing.
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>>4747894
Won't make the same mistake again, boss.

>>4747903
Sorry man, Illya gets a new maid. Ideally in Ishtar's form, so we don't feel guilty for bullying her.
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>>4747903
no
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>>4747904
I mean. I am kinda hoping for Tamamo, you see.
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>>4747906
It was said before that Rin wins hands down because she has the kaladeosword.
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>>4747914
I prefer to punish ishtar by putting her powerless inside some container so she can live like a normal human while we, gilgamesh and enkidu bully her for eternity.
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>>4747911
Including the fact that Shinji inner narration said he'd have kissed Tamamo on the mouth himself except it was basically suicide while being surrounded.
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>>4747917
yeah, the fox has to come too.
We need to make our other wifes see the uses a fluffy tail has
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>>4747907
We can't, Manaka is still a problem and she’s likely gonna summon Beast of 666 after we curbstomped Enkidu and brought him over. It's not so bad, Rin and Medusa aren't gonna do anything cause it's Sakura and they want her happiness over their own and Shuten understands the pecking order
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>>4747918
I see you're interested in getting Sakura to want to unseal Self-Modification EX.
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>>4747911
>>4747918
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>>4747916
Or you could put her in the kaladeosword to be trolled and it gives a power up to Rin for the Manaka fight.
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>>4747920
Unbelievably Based.
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>>4747920
touch fluffy tail, it can calm everyone.
>>4747923
i prefer to make her a meido, but thats for later.
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>>4747911
Manwhore Shinji is about to get himself killed
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Ya you guys really messed up by declaring love just because. Should have taken time to introducee them to eachother and get used to eachother before he told her that.

We should introduce Ciel to SHIKI. Both went through the Roa problem so they can be eachother's emotional support.
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>>4747920
Sakura is perfect just the way she is.
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>>4747928
I have made my creed clear to the thread. Total Victory or Total Failure. Only accept 100% Obeitheion certified Hope for Harem Utopia.
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>>4747930
Sakura already thought we were already hers and she constantly seethed when she just thought we were with another woman, may as well go all in
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>>4747920
Yes.
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>>4747932
Autist, I...
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>>4747925
Rather use her for something useful instead of having that power waste just for another useless character. Illya isn't going to want a maid she's going to want murder.
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>>4747930
>We should introduce Ciel to SHIKI
I want Ciel too ya see
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>>4747932
You wouldn't even want her to test her self-modification with a bunch of fluffy tails?
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>>4747938
We'll just have Shishou set her up with respawning puppet bodies. Illya will enjoy tormenting her.

>>4747940
...maybe
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>>4747940
Fluffy tails and a Beastly crown of horns is based.
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>>4747934
No she didn't she was pulling a FSN. She silently rages while watching her love interest hook up with others. Now it's different she has confirmation Shinji is hers.

>>4747939
We don't have the time to prop her up. SHIKI has been through the same situation. They are good for eachother and requires minimal time from Shinji to help.

We don't have time for 13 plus women better to ween off a few.
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>>4747930
Yes lets pawn off the girl who we told that we will fight the entire church in order for her to be free. I'm sure she will accept it easily and nothing bad will happen.
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>>4747950
Would you rather ignore her? Like I said 13 women require a lot of time Shinji doesn't have. Plus we said we'd fight the church for her not marry her. We can still protect her while SHIKI spends time with her. Those options aren't mutually exclusive.
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>>4747940
Experimenting is fun for sure
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>>4747938
illya would love a maid she can get little revenges everyday for eternity, imagine the things she can come with to make suffer, little by little.
>>4747940
it would be fine, i guess, but i prefer sakura with horns.
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>>4747949
It's absolutely different with us, she was able to let go of Shirou when he went with Saber or Rin, she straight up expected us to stay in Fuyuki with her and actually got angry and berated Sacchin when she said we were a couple

>We don't have time for 13 plus women better to ween off a few.
Coward talk
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>>4747955
we will have time for then, if solomon could maintain a lot more i fail to see why cant we.
Of course, this after this current clusterfuck ends.
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>>4747949
>No she didn't she was pulling a FSN
We were in the middle of Heaven's Feel with her after being her anchor for 10 years and getting her out of the rapeworm basement. There was no way she would have been satisfied with silently raging.
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>>4747962
We're a lot like Merlin and Solomon when you think about it
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>>4747964
Thank God we arent as autistic as solomon was.
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>>4747963
She straight up flung BB
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>>4747964
Now we just need to be like Seimei and greentext at our enemies while their plans burn around them.
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>>4747962
If we look at the time skip options I don't think we have enough slots. Maybe we cut down on training and magecraft to keep up.
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>>4747969
>Thank God
Ironic.
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>>4747969
We're still autistic
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>700 wives of royal birth and 300 concubines[1][2]
What the actual fuck, i didnt expect it to be a fucking harem with one thousand people.
Dude really needed God's help.
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>>4747973
Yeah, exactly. Would have done even worse if we hadn't stepped in. She was going to a Dark place while we kept manwhoring.

>>4747978
I imagine some of the girls would rather drop out of the Shinjibowl than accept being #8 or #13 of a harem. It'll be fine.

>>4747981
We're the good kind of autistic though.
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>>4747973
She did that mostly because BB has her face and was being forward with Shinji. Both of those things probably flipped her switch.

If that's Raikou in the forest we gotta give her up. Shuten gonna be pissed if we do somehow get her.
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>>4747969
>we aren’t autistic
Hahaha
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>>4747978
After the War we don't really have a timetable anymore. We can afford to spend years and not speedrunning power for a war.

Ideally we'd become Immortal first and then we can just spend whatever time we want. Asclepius from Jason's boat can make an elixir, can't he?
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>>4747958
Imagine getting to polish and lacquer those horns everyday.
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>>4747984
Y'all really trying suicide by Sakura aren't you.
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>>4747652
Redman stomps Nobu he has no Mystery
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>>4747992
>the horns

Good taste anon
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>>4747989
Assclaps needs gorgons blood to make the elixir luckily we have it.
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>>4747987
We are not the same autism as solomon.
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>>4747995
>"hey archer, go stab the demon king a little, try to not get shoot."
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>>4747994
Alitheia made bigamy inevitable. And if you already have two wives, what's a few more? Sakura and Medea will always be the first two in our heart, but there's plenty of room in there.
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>>4747997
I wonder if one time we're going to blurt out our mind and call someone Assclaps or Redman or Raicow.
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>>4747992
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>>4748003
This, but unironically.

>>4748006
We need to call Merlin futamancer when we berate him.
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>>4747985
Never
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>>4748005
>Sakura and Medea will always be the first two in our heart
That's a bad attitude to have. Ideal is equality in the inner hierarchy, even if the ideal is unrealistic and unachievable.
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>>4748006
Redman wouldnt be that bad, the rest would be hilarious.
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>>4747974
This wasn't just a joke by the way. Seimei in the Douman Singularity doesn't appear, but his speech appears as floating green text as he speaks to and taunts people.
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>>4747869
What a wonderful gift she proved to be. We should thank grandfather for her.

Or maybe not, killing him as cleanly as possible takes priority over petty satisfaction.

In any case, awesome job.
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>>4748006
>call someone Raicow
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>>4748012
As you said, true equality is unattainable. Shuten already accepts Medea's supremacy. The same for Medusa and Sakura. And the harem hasn't even began sorting itself out yet.
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>>4748030
Something something ideals are worth striving for with all your might something something Ever-Distant Harem Utopia.
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>>4748027
If Shiki kills Orochi, grandpa will be all but powerless. We'll have all the time in the world to gloat with a proper Shinji rant.

>>4748034
Live your dream or die trying anon. I'm cheering for you.
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>>4748030
We can at least try to love then all as equally as we can, it don't need to be us giving then the exact same time with us or something.
The best scenario would be they liking each other too so we could do shit like dates with more than one at once.
For a harem to work the girls have to like each other, even if only a little.
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Has qm called already?
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>>4747856
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"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alítheia's back right?" You ask the two heroes, who turn to look at the dragon. Enkidu has curiosity in his eyes as he walks up to Alítheia.

"I can arrange my own transport, Outsider, I understand that flight on the back of a Dragon is quite unpleasant for the untrained. I wouldn't want Ayaka to suffer from such things. I shall meet you there with Enkidu at my side." A portal opens up in front of Gilgamesh and he walks through it after grabbing Ayaka's hand and pulling her through.

Enkidu has a perplexed expression as he looks at Ayaka disappear through the portal, before he takes one last look at Alítheia and disappears through it. Enkidu may actually have some competition for Gilgamesh's attention from now on, how very quaint.

"Well, that's about our sign to go ourselves. Gilgamesh won't take very long at all to reach the ruins if he's using the Gate of Babylon as a means of transportation." Really, Gate of Babylon is basically just a cheat Noble Phantasm, even if you disregard the almost unlimited amount of different powers it contains. If Gil felt like it, he could probably even use the portals to Gate of Babylon to steal the Noble Phantasms of his opponents if they are launched as projectiles. Then again, Gilgamesh stealing is pretty much unthinkable.

Everyone clambers atop Alítheia once more. Obeithion keeps stealing glances at Rin as the magical girl takes to the air after you, before she begins to fly upwards herself. You've picked up SHIKI as an extra passenger now. You're about half of the way to the ruins of the Einzbern Castle, until you get the feeling that something is wrong. Every one of your allies still with you is perfectly fine, but... Something just feels off.

As the ruins of the Einzbern Castle come into view, you can see that your allies have seemingly made it to the ruins, and from this distance, appear wary of Gilgamesh. Though nobody is fighting just yet. Gilgamesh probably could've just offered you to use the Gate of Babylon as a means of transportation but for some reason didn't. Maybe he just assumed that Alítheia was incapable of taking a form small enough to fit through a portal and didn't want to expend the magical energy to create a mansion sized opening?
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>>4748045
Oh, yes. Them not liking each other is definitely unworkable. We shouldn't add anyone in the harem that is not already accepted by everyone else. But a hierarchy is inevitable, and Sakura and Medea rising at the top of it is equally inevitable.
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Just as you're about to command Alítheia to descend to meet up with the rest of your allies, laughter from behind you draws your attention. "So, you're the ones who Orochi wishes to see dead so badly, then?" You turn about to see a girl in a military uniform, with almost a hundred guns surrounding her all pointed at you. "I really must say that I was expecting more. After I leapt atop the back of your dragon, I was expecting to be faced with immediate opposition! Is this really the limit of your tactical ability?" Oda Nobunaga, the Demon King of the Sixth Heaven, has somehow managed to avoid detection from your allies and land on top of Alítheia herself. "Do you have any last words before I carry out your execution?" Nobunaga has a smirk on her face as she threatens you. For some reason you can't get a proper read on her abilities!

>Make a Barrier of Truth, now!
>Command Alítheia to dive using your mental link to her.
>Nudge Sakura.
>Attempt Diplomacy. (Say what?)
>Write-in...
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>>4748045
Well considering that half of them are raging bisexuals I think that'll work out on its own. Fun fact, in a supposed Caster route, she would seduce Rider in order to trap her
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>>4748051
Oh yeah, Rin did kiss fairy saber.
QM, i demand at least a little interlude of that part from rin's perspective.
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>>4748055
That sounds hilarious.
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>>4748053
Aren't you forgetting someone?
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>>4748054
great, more shit throw at us.
why is nobu even following a god even.
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What the fuck? Is this an illusion? How did Nobunaga do it?

>>4748061
I stand by my words.
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>>4748061
arc is old enough to not cause shit without reason.
i hope.
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>>4748063
>why is nobu even following a god even.
Why don't you ask if you want to know that badly?
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>>4748061
Absolutely based implications.
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>>4748054
>write in

Ask her if she’s really going to take orders from a man who shoved worms inside of little girls

Also ask if she’s bored. Of all things, nobu HATES boredom
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>>4748051
>Obeithion keeps stealing glances at Rin as the magical girl takes to the air after you.
Well, I guess we don-t have to worry about Rin being in the harem anymore.

Also, good for the anon that wanted Nobu. Here's your chance.
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>>4748064
I could tell you, but that would be spoiling it.
So I'll just tell you that when summoned in their own country, those famous enough tend to get more abilities and Noble Phantasms. Some of which might represent things they did in life.
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>>4748066
My best guess is that she thinks Zouken is in control of Orochi, and that it's like Nobu herself using the legend of Mara/Demon King of the Sixth Heaven as a source of power merely. Meaning she may not realize the God is actually real and in control?

Otherwise it could be not actually Nobu. An NP summoned by a Nobukatsu?
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>>4748051
>Obeithion keeps stealing glances at Rin
Medea and Rin are gonna fight over their new waifu

>>4748069
>>4748054
But also ask why she's following a God
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>>4748076
Fucking hell, why do I keep forgetting about the fame bonus?
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>>4748072
That just means she can have a girlfriend while she's with us
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>>4748080
>Medea and Rin are gonna fight over their new waifu
Sisters can share.

>>4748054
>Ask why she's following Orochi the God.
>Prepare for sudden combat though, just in case. Sakura should be the best against Nobu with her low personal Mystery, where Tiamat's power surpasses Nobu's too much for Tenka Fubu.
>Prepare to dismount if Riding Alitheia counts as being cavalry against Nobu.
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>>4748054
>"why are you of all people, following a god like orochi?"
>"did you of all people fall that far, that you would follow a snake like him?"
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>>4748086
>>4748080
I had a genius idea. Encourage Sakura to have her own harem as well as us. Subtly.
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It transforms oneself into a true Demon King, "Demon King of a Billionfold Heavens", who deceives all gods and Buddhas.
From Avenger Nobu's Papiyas Metamorphosis NP.

It could be that this Nobu also has some sort of Mara based illusion bullshit that's fucking with us.
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You know, when Medea learns about 3D printers and Silicone molds, we might be in for some trouble.
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>>4748054
>Attempt Diplomacy
>"You are slaving for some old worm dead dream, gluttony of oversized snake and vanity of so called "Demon God" Barbatos. Hardly fitting for a person who was called Demon King of the Sixth Heaven in life. In ten seconds, I can show you true meaning of pursuing brighter tomorrow, unchained by whims of long obsolete ghost of the age past."

Just one up Nobu, guys.
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I don't think its in Fate (?) but Nobunaga supposedly had:

"One of the Five Swords under Heaven made by Hōki Yasutsuna, this was the legendary sword with which Minamoto no Yorimitsu killed the boy-faced oni Shuten-dōji living near Mount Oe."

So don't send Shuten against her.
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I wonder what Kairi is thinking about all this shit.
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The NP is probably based on his feat of building a castle overnight I believe.

I don't think Nobu is actually there or Dragon daughter or Sakura would notice. The reason why Sakura isn't effected is her magic nulification.

Can we use truth on our eyes or as a lens to see through illusion?
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>>4748107
>I'm not getting paid enough for this job.
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>>4748108
The NP can also be based on the Battle of Okehazama.

"Nobunaga ordered his men to set up an array of flags and dummy troops made of straw and spare helmets around the Zensho-ji, giving the impression of a large host, while the real Oda army hurried round in a rapid march to get behind Yoshimoto's camp. "
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>>4748107
We can fix his curse cant we? we should.
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>>4748054
>>4748102
This one sounds great +1

also i was right, now the tall-ish swordswoman is DEFINITELY Okitalter
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>>4748114
It's probably this if its based on fame.

"With his victory in this battle, Oda Nobunaga gained greatly in prestige, and many samurai and warlords pledged fealty to him. "

She's using an illusion to bait us and then will attack from another angle.
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>>4748116
Won't bring back his step-daughter though.
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>>4748116
Yeah we can, and yeah we should.

Probably can't give him his daughter back though.
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>>4748092
Probably only gonna be Medusa then

>>4748116
Very easily
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>>4748123
>>4748124
Betty can
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>>4748102
I'll support this.
>>4748104
Anything with high Mystery is a bad match up against Nobu, so Shuten, Medea or Tamamo are right out.
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>>4748054
Changing
>>4748087
To
>Ask why she's following Orochi the God.
>Prepare for illusions and misdirection in addition to her muskets and Demon King based abilities. Both from deception based actions in life and identifying with the Demon Mara who deceives all things.
>If someone reacts strangely or doesn't react to this Nobu, pay attention and react accordingly to that.
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>>4748126
She can give him a copy, not the original.
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>>4748119
>also i was right, now the tall-ish swordswoman is DEFINITELY Okitalter
How so? Don't get me wrong, I really want that to be the case, but how do you know?
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I think the point of the illusion is to distract us while he does something. We should probably warn the crew. Especially those who may fall for it
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>>4748054
>>Attempt Diplomacy. (Say what?)
Why would we feel the need to oppose someone who isn't even a 5* limited servant? Might as well just send Sumanai up here, you're in the same tier.
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>>4748127
All of them aren't with you right now anyway.
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>>4748130
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I am 99% sure its based on the Battle of Okehazama as I posted here
>>4748114
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>>4748054
>>4748102
+1
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>>4748136
Yeah but now that Ishtar has been dealt with I expect Medea to teleport them back soon.
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>>4748142
You sent them away specifically because you're going up against the ultimate anti-divine opponent.
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>>4748134
I'd be careful with that option
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>>4748139
Pictured here; Perfect Harem End.
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>>4748140
Yeah, it makes sense. This Nobunaga is an illusion and the true attack will come from another direction. She should still be able to hear us for diplomacy to work though, right?

>>4748142
Hell no, we sent them away so Orochi wouldn't eat them.
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>>4748153
We should diplo but we also should be explicitly looking for deception and another surprise attack from under illusions.
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Given that Okehazama was

"The Battle of Okehazama is regarded as one of the most significant turning points in Japanese history. ... Oda Nobunaga gained greatly in prestige, ...

Its probably her Fame Bonus if its where a lot of her Fame comes from.
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>>4748054
Support >>4748129
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>>4748054
change>>4748090
to >>4748102

>>4748107
We also need to make him and mordred meet, its funny how well they click with each other if this goes as in apocrypha
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can we have >>4748129 with >>4748102 ?
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Also, that "obsolete old ghost" part is weirding me the fuck out, given many of our allies and friends are literally ghosts of history or ancient fairies.
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>>4748054
Support>>4748102
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>>4748165
Well, for one I don't want to namedrop Barbatos in case Goetia doesn't know we know he exists and wants to burn down the timeline if he feels threatened.

I also don't like the "long obsolete ghost of the age past" when most of our friends and waifus could be described as such, not to mention Nobu herself. If you change the Ghost part itself I may be fine
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>>4748165
Yeah, I don't like that prompt all that much. Barbatos has no influence in there, and it's funny to talk about long obsolete ghosts of the past when we're literally riding a dragon and half our friends and waifus are ghosts of the past. Simple is best sometimes, asking why she's following a god should be enough without the rest.
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>>4748166
Sure would suck if your allies heard you say that, wouldn't it?
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>>4748170
we already namedropped barbatos when orochi was summoned in our face.
>>4748172
i guess, let me write something that includes both
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>>4748054
>>4748129
Support
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I find it funny that situations like this feel more dangerous than All the World's Evil Enkidu because it's harder to read the room.

We're mounted, surrounded by mystery. One false step we're fucked.

Complete analysis paralysis gj WhatIs
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>Ask why she's following Orochi the God.
>Tell her that following Orochi will just lead to the ruin of her so loved country
>tell her that you can give japan and the world a better future and that there is no need for then them fight
>Prepare for illusions and misdirection in addition to her muskets and Demon King based abilities. Both from deception based actions in life and identifying with the Demon Mara who deceives all things.
>If someone reacts strangely or doesn't react to this Nobu, pay attention and react accordingly to that.

Is this better?
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>>4748054
Switching >>4748162 to support >>4748180

Much better.
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>>4748179
Jesus Christ, that cat is enormous!
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>>4748054
>NOBU
FUCK YEAAHHH.

>>4748102
Support. Also seriously hoping we get Nobu on our side as an ally.
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>>4748180
Fine with me.
Changing from
>>4748129 (You)
to
>>4748180

A consolidated vote, everyone fine as is? But do keep in mind. When in Redline Nobu finds out that Japan became so "weak" she spazzes the fuck out and gets super mad. So "peace" may not be what she wishes to hear.
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>>4748180
Supporting
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>>4748054
also change my vote again for >>4748180 this
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>>4748166
I think it perfectly captures Nobu`s attention and plays on all of her character traits. Both historical and Nasuverse one. If we get a chance to Truth her it is huge win.
Or Orochi was smart enough to prepare for second round and diplomacy was a mistake to begin with.
>>4748172
I am pretty sure Nobu hates them so I see no reason not to rub it in Nobu`s face.
>>4748173
I have some trust in our allies to read the room properly.
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>>4748167
Changing to this. >>4748180
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>>4748190
Prompt says better future, not peace. In fact, we can pretty much promise her war against the current world powers.
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>>4748188
I would advise voting for something else if you wish to have Nobu as an ally.
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>>4748190
Its less "peace" and more "orochi will rape the country very hard in the ass without lube and i have a better option"
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>>4748054
Changing from >>4748178 to >>4748180
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>>4748197
>I am pretty sure Nobu hates them so I see no reason not to rub it in Nobu`s face.
She hates them, yes. Our faction is also full of them. Let's draw her attention to what separates us from the God, not in the ways we are similar to him.
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>>4748201
>>4748199
Got it.

>>4748197
>read the room
Its not about reading the room, its their impression of us. Even if they knew its a lie, then we'd be someone who completely lies to someone's face for a seemingly momentary advantage without regard for our allies' potential feelings or heroic pasts.

Also, its not a guarantee they'd know its a lie. or if it IS a lie, Nobu could see through it. And if its not its even worse.
Please.
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Sure would suck if this WASN'T an illusion, huh?
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If this is Nobu we need a being with no Mystery.

Shiki, pull your rapetrigger and kill the target
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>>4748209
We're mostly counting on diplomacy here. Doesn't make THAT much of a difference if it's an illusion or not.
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>>4748209
Already included in the plan.
>in addition to her muskets and Demon King based abilities
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>>4748209
I doubt wormpa would be stupid enough to send his real servant alone against us considering we stole two of his already.
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>>4748213
Would hypnotizing Shiki to go apeshit be super effective? We DO know some mental shit.
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>>4748054
>>4748180

+1

Funny how I always wait for the autists to come up with the final write in to vote for.
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>>4748220
If it's an illusion he still kills it and we demand a proper audience?
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>>4748214
There's also the fact that Enkidu would have noticed her unless her fame boost gave her Presence Concealment A++ for some reason.
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>>4748054
>>4748180
this

>>4748209
That's a lot of consecutive merlin images hmmmmmmmmmmmm
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>>4748209
we would choose diplomacy regardless.
Nobu for all her insanity fucking loves japan, so we have a good bait.
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>>4748054
>>4748188
Changing to >>4748180
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>>4748222
Makes sense, he can kill immaterial stuff. Ask Shiki to look at it with MeoDP
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>>4748213
Yeah, Shiki is the only one on the dragon who can deal with her. We're double fucked as the rider. Even Alitheia, a being of high mystery is fucked.

>>4748222
Unless she has real muskets surrounding us and killing the illusion triggers a volley.

>>4748226
And we were wondering who we'd live in charge of Japan in the future. Tamamo was a bad fit, and Nobunaga had been namedropped back then.
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>>4748233
Too sleep deprived to articulate how Shiki would go about doing something without fucking this up.

Just wanted to throw the option out there as diplomacy is kind of a default option which I now just outright assume are all traps forever. WhatIs will probably start not doing that soon just the continue fucking with us though
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>>4748233
Nobu for Japanese conquest of Asia, Mordred for British conquest of Europe. I'm down for it.
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>>4748217
It's not inconceivable. I'm sure Orochi is busy doing his ritual with Paracelsus and can't micromanage his minions while they're stalling for time.
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>>4748207
Alright. But I hope it will have just enough over the top dialog to make her come to us into Truth range so wan fondle her.
And not tirgger her desire to fight us to see who can make better future by doing warring states dialog.
>>4748054
Changing from >>4748102 to >>4748180
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>>4748192
I read a doujin about this.
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>>4748236
>>4748233
The world is so fucked after this war.
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We cant forget that iskandar is still inside rin, can't forget about him
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>>4748234
Diplomacy is a default option, but the way to do it was a write-in. And we're upping our guard against everything. It should work. Our ideal outcome here is recruiting her anyway, not having Shiki kill her.

>>4748236
Iskandar will conquer Asia from the west, Nobunaga from the east. They'll race to the middle. Karna will keep India neutral.
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>>4748241
It's gonna need some uhh...unconventional warlords due to all the gods and dragons and incarnated heroic spirits we're littering all over the world. It's gonna be great.
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>>4748241
still better than requiem
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>>4748241
>fucked
You mean improved, right?

>>4748242
He'll be fine until we can talk to Waver about how best to purify him. Don't worry about him.
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>>4748242
He's in a pocket space that is just outside of the timeline.
It's not like with Sakura.
He's not actually inside of her.
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>>4748243
>Karna will keep India neutral.
Ah yes, the curry must be protected at all costs.
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>>4748242
We'll drop him with Waver and ask him what concept he thinks is best.
I trust him with this.
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>>4748245
Requiem is a goddamn hellhole. 30 Grails in leylines around the world leading to WW3 fought openly with Drone-Robot armies and with "innumerable" Holy Grails being created and used for war.

I am 99% sure Requiem is a post Strange Fake world.

Prelati talks about how "It's on my list, but it's just one stop on the way. I think we'll be able to reproduce it once the pioneers of the stars advance a few more levels. Same for the Holy Grail War itself. So, I'm going to be starting as many Grail Wars as I can. I'd like you guys to show some enthusiasm analyzing its pattern."
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>>4748251
The curry must flow.
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>>4748248
>He's in a pocket space that is just outside of the timeline.
If we are being honest here. Just moving to a place outside of the timeline to train for a year or two to train and doing so with Alítheia would make a lot of difference.
As long as time here would have stand still.
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>>4748253
The "It" being reproduced is the 3rd Magic. Touko is doing work it seems.
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>>4748253
>Prelati
You guys were thinking of dealing with her at some point, weren't you?
Any new ideas?
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literally fucking HOW are we at 400 responses already
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>>4748256
I don't like this warning. Are we fucking up somewhere? Anything we missed?
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>>4748256
Being very specific with the time limit this time qm. Usually you only call like half an hour after the time you initially said.
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>>4748248
God I wish Rin could vore like her sister.

>>4748054
>>4748180
Support.
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>>4748262
Feed her to Sakura.

>>4748263
Best Quest. Best QM. Autism.
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>>4748262
>Prelati
Anons insisted on Sakura Vore so that she constantly dies inside of her belly while Tiamat watches on amusement.
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>>4748256
Are we about to get Marble Phantasm'd by Nobu somehow...?
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>>4748266
>>4748264
I just wanna get started writing.
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>>4748256
Wait. Could Orochi have made some kind of bunrei/avatar from Arc's power?
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I can't bring myself to voot because this whole situation makes me too uncomfortable. I guess WhatIs did well this update.

>>4748271
We should ask Touko where/how Prelati respawns so we can ensure it works how we'd want it to
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>>4748272
Why would Nobu have Marble Phantasm?
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>>4748273
Hype
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>>4748278
Marble Phantasm is nature interference by means of requesting allocated resources from the Planet by authorized parties.

Faeries and elementals (and Youkai and Gods?) request shit and it happens.
Does Nobu count as enough of Mara to utilize it...? Who is cosplaying Nobu right now?
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>>4748273
Not sure I believe you. You're hiding something, aren't you?

>>4748277
I legit can't think of anything better than what we're currently doing. Diplomacy using metaknowledge of her character + preparation using metaknowledge of her abilities.

>>4748278
I assume he meant Reality Marble.
blessed image
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>>4748274
Oh, NOW you remember that Orochi has 25 percent of Arc's power.
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>>4748273
God, Sakura/Tiamat was the best mistake we could have asked for.
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>>4748284
So we should have Shiki rape is what you're saying?
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>>4748284
Orochi isn't here though.

>>4748285
But it wasn't a mistake. It was an accidental blessing.
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>>4748286
Genius plan.
Everyone knows that everyone in an H-scene is brought down to the level of a baseline human!
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>>4748288
Shiki is a John Smith Pseudo?
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>>4748289
John Smith is a Shiki Pseudo.
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>>4748288
Do you want a servant to rip her masters dick off when they're fucking? It's necessary.
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The best I got is that based on

"The warlord was also keen on having people worship himself as a divinity and built a temple for that purpose."

Orochi somehow fused Arc's power into Nobu and created some kind of hybrid empowered Spirit. Get ready for Great Keshou Nobunaga
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>>4748290
We've been sleeping on our greatest ally.

Rape-sama I kneel
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>>4748286
Shinji feels something feels off and he has EotM. We can't get a reading on her. I think getting Shiki to attack the illusion is a bad idea when she apparently wants to talk. She could have opened up from stealth and we'd have been fucked already.
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>>4748288
Except for that one time Saber clamped down so hard that Shirou couldn't pull out for fear of cock mutilation.
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>>4748294
Why would Orochi give up his powerup?
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>>4748294
Why would Orochi grant authority to a rebellious Godkiller on home turf? Isn't that playing with fire
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>>4748297
Eh, like 95 percent of the time.
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>>4748294
Except I don't think we can do anything to Marble Phantasm Nobu? Unless its speedblitz+instakill, Arc for example can just vacuum cutter your molecules apart.
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>>4748180
This won right?
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>>4748301
>rebellious Godkiller
Man, Nobunaga and Alcides will hit it right off.
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>>4748301
>>4748300
It may have some kind of bad interaction with his own Authority or spiritual existence. Speculation all in all, not sure at all.
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>>4748308
yep
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>>4748310
It's what specifically gave him this whole powerup.

I'm still seething a bit I woke up to late to get my writein counted of just having everyone teleported into the air at the time, and standing on a platform of truth.

But I guess snekquest is it's own plotline that we would have missed, and no cute purification onahole
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>>4748308
Seems that way.

>>4748310
It's what got him from God to Beast Candidate. I doubt it.
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>>4748304
I'd just chalk it up to the same reason Servants are able to hold things without destroying them or move around without creating lethal blasts of compressed air
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>>4748308
no uhhh whatever plan that included predicting that nobu is orochi's avatar won instead :^)
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>>4748317
I guess it could be something like

"Orochi has 8 Heads, this means he can have 8 Avatars who are him in totality"

And Nobu is both Nobu and Orochi himself?
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Now I wish we'd gotten an interlude next so we'd have more time to think about Nobunaga.
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Could it be Li Shuwen waiting in ambush?
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>>4748351
No bunga these balls
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>>4748351
Chiyome interlude was endearing but the castle one would have probably helped a lot here
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>>4748358
Yeah, it definitely would have. Curse my wanting to go for something heartwarming instead of powergaming! One vote would have changed the outcome.
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>>4748360
...Do you really regret it?
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>>4748363
We're finding out next update if we really regret it, aren't we?
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>>4748363
Probably not. Best ninja. I'm just worried Nobunaga will open up from behind, and our sisterwife and daughter are both here to take the volley.
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>>4748360
now i feel bad because i dont think i voted.
i was sleeping, i think
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>>4748367
There's no way we're getting omae wa'd, not by Nobu of all people.
This is clearly Orochi fucking with us.
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>>4748371
I haven't seen her in any game, so I don't really know her personality all that well. But from what I've been reading, it would be very in character for her to attack the enemy commander like that.
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Since I have nothing to do while waiting here is some foreshadowing about Greek Mechachads in Herc's CMats

"Takeuchi: Even Nasu suggested making half of his body out of stone or metal because he's supposed to be a superhuman existence, ..."
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>>4748374
She's more of a screaming challenge to the sky kind of girl than an invisible assassin.
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>>4748380
Update delayed by 5 minutes, just because of this post.
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>>4748380
*shakes fist*

>>4748382
Well, she'll fit right in then. But decapitating the enemy leadership to win a battle is not really being an invisible assassin.
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>>4748383
Trigger, off
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>>4748383
Okay, okay. How about a more interesting bit? Original design of Godhand was even more OP and this version is nerfed.

"With Berserker's God Hand promising victory for 11 battles in old "Fate", and only six other Servants participating in the Holy Grail Wars, it seemed as if Berserker's Noble Phantasm all but guaranteed his victory. "
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>>4748374
No time like the present
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jSIba2LnBU
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>>4748389
It was like that in proto.

>While it is unknown if he still retains it in Fate/Prototype, he had a Noble Phantasm in the planning stages of the original novel, old Fate, that imparted the ability "Absolutely Survive" (絶対に生き残る, Zettai ni Ikinokoru?), which as the name suggests guaranteed that Gilgamesh would survive any conflict. It would have clashed with Berserker's Noble Phantasm at the time, which was to "promise victory for eleven battles." The concepts of the two abilities clashed and the paradoxical situation had to be resolved. Berserker did not technically lose but he did lose his life.[1]
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>>4748383
I hadn't heard anything about mechas in Fate before, and after these threads I think that's for the best.
Don't know why something like this would ever need them.
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>>4748389
Yeah I knew that already.
It's why he dominates APEX.
He loses to Gil though.
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>>4748392
>>4748386
https://youtu.be/wabWjhN7z3E

Don't forget
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"Last words? Well, I've got a question for you, actually." You look Nobunaga in the eyes confidently.

"A question? You're asking the person about to kill you a question?" Nobunaga raises an eyebrow at you. Clearly, she wasn't expecting that.

"That's right." You stand to face Nobunaga, Alítheia is thankfully large enough to allow you to do something like this. Honestly, at some point you might need to see if you can't get her to agree on having some sort of saddle for people to sit on. The ride quality isn't exactly great, after all. "What use would pleading for my life do here?"

"Well, I can't say that I don't admire your bravery, at least! Let's have it then!" The girl seems confident in her position in this battle, and you can't really say you blame her. Even with so many of your allies nearby, with an Anti-Mystery Servant like Nobunaga here, you have no idea just how much help they'll actually be! Still, you take a breath and begin to speak.

"What is a person like you doing serving a God like Orochi, Nobunaga?" The girl flinches backwards in surprise as you casually reveal her True Name. "I think we both know that following that snake can only lead to ruin, both for you and for Japan as a whole. Your beloved country will be reduced to rubble by the whim of a God. You can't honestly believe that this will end in any way other than him destroying Japan, Humanity, and perhaps the entire world."

The girl freezes in her tracks, unsure how to respond after having her identity so easily discerned. She doesn't look like she's about to attack you though, so you take a step forwards towards the girl, walking past Sakura as you do. The girl is clearly worried about you, but there's no need for her to be scared.

"Is it a curse? Has Orochi cursed you into helping him? Perhaps it's the threat of command spells? Or were you planning on betraying him yourself? I can promise you that if you assist me instead of that decrepit relic of an era passed, the world and all of Japan will have a brighter future! There's no need for us to fight, Nobunaga." Still, despite your words, you're prepared for any attempt of illusion or misdirection Nobunaga might use. Japan is her home turf, after all, so you need to be prepared for absolutely anything. Seeing as how a sneak attack based upon deception is one of her greatest feats, and her link to the Demon King who deceives even Gods and Buddhas. The rest of your allies are paying attention to her presence though, so it's either an illusion that they are all capable of seeing, or she's physically here.
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>>4748386
I'm more talking about the fact that Enkidu is right here and didn't sense anything, and Nobu's appearing as an Archer so mega fameboost presence concealment is unlikely.
She also taunted us about not noticing her, which makes me think she's just fucking with us.
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"He... Has not cursed me into his service, I was wise enough to willingly agree to aid him... For the sake of my country." The girl frowns. "Tell me, tell me how you were planning on defeating Orochi, and then I'll decide whether or not it's worth me continuing to try to guide his wrath away from Japan, or whether killing him is truly a possibility." Nobunaga asks you a question, and it's one you don't know if you should answer.

>"I'm planning on having him bound, and then using Shiki to strike his Death Point, ending his existence."
>"I was actually just hoping that it all worked out and that I came out on top. That's how things normally go, at least."
>"I'm not going to tell you my plan! You're still an enemy!"
>Make up another plan (What?)
>Lie about your plan.
>Write-in...
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>>4748386
Also, we can't sense her abilities, so that's another point for her not actually being here.
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>>4748383
Like I said.
5 minutes.
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>>4748404
was actually just hoping that it all worked out and that I came out on top. That's how things normally go, at least."
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We should say something true but useless if Orochi is eavesdropping.

Something like restraining him and striking him with an absolutely death dealing attack. Or just using one of our many other death dealing attacks. Erosion is still around, even if its less than ideal. Or stalling for Alcides. Or Rin could try chucking him out of the World.
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>>4748404
Yikes, either we lie about the method and she''ll might notice or we tell her the truth and risk it being known to Orochi if this is a scam
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>>4748411
Orochi is DEFINITEYL eavesdropping. We should not reveal the absolute truth, but not lie to her either. Time for another write-in, naturally.
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Telling an enemy your plan is kind of retarded.

Orochi is holding Japan hostage to keep nobu in line right now though.

If we break Nobu's contract she still has Independent Action and Tenka Fubu just seems like a freebie from the world when it comes to scaling against gods. So she isn''t forced into our service.

Technically we don't even have a single plan anymore, why not say the most innocuous one and mention there are several other contingencies?
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>>4748404
>write in

We won’t tell her our plans until she turns traitor
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So what are the odds this is just some sort of ilusion of Orochi's, to let our guard down?
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We could go for a gigabrain play and outright tell her we don't know if Orochi is listening, so she can stay on the dragon and shoot us in the back if shes not satisfied with our performance and tell Orochi she deceived us, but we do have a plan we would not reveal.
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Probably don't reveal the Tartarus gaybaby jail one, or Rin's Second Magic.

They're very good trumpcards.

Gil and Enkidu are at Orochi's door, no? So that's already known. Maybe just mention those two?
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>>4748388
Kek
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>>4748420
60-70% imo.
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>>4748423
It's not even giving anything away at this point, and combine that with

>>4748421
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>>4748420
Pretty high.
She hasn't physically interacted with anything, and even had to tell us that she jumped here rather than demonstrating it.
She also immediately asked us to start revealing details of our plan the moment she had an opportunity to.
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Now, the real question is do you want me to call in 30 minutes and try to get one more update out tonight, or do you want more time to think about things?
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>>4748404
>Make up another plan
>"I have in my entourage Gilgamesh himself, and he possesses a Noble Phantasm that can wipe out entire planets. All my party has to do is hold the crafty snake god in place."
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>>4748434
Call, we've had enough autism for a bit
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>>4748421
This could work
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It could even be a body-puppet made by Marble Phantasm. If it can do stuff like recreate the Millenium Castle, it can create light and sound illusions imo.
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>>4748434
Call it. We're aware that this might be an illusion, but there's hardly anything anyone of us on Alitheia can do about it. If we let loose a fake plan to a simple projection? Then so be it, we have five ways of dealing with Orochi.
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>>4748434
one more please, this isn't something that needs us to go through a seven hour deliberation to arrive at a vital conclusion
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>>4748434
I think 30 min is enough, we just have to agree ona variation of "Be vague, but offer enough to convince her we can win"
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>>4748404
>You may have already noticed the two guests I bought along down below, two close friends very much skilled in destroying beasts of calamity.

>That is all I can reveal for now, I have no idea of knowing if you aren't the earpiece for the God that is holding your country, and my place of birth hostage to keep you subservient.

>If you would like you can stay on the dragon and shoot us in the back if you're unsatisfied with our performance and tell Orochi she deceived us.

>>4748434
gotta go fast
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>>4748435
Well, Anti-World and Anti-Planet are different things but close enough. Its for killing Textures, RM and shit.
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Maybe say something like "well, look around you, we have quite the firepower, also, i will bring death for him one way or the other, for i am Truth."
or not,maybe it has too much ego
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>>4748404
>>4748447
This

Let's go
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>>4748447
>>4748404
+1
Good enough I guess.
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>>4748454
The Chiyome flex is a good addition. The compliment handjob under the table may also help
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>>4748454
>I'm sure you understand I cannot reveal my full plan to you while you still serve the evil God.
>But I can tell you this.
>Many of my assembled allies based their entire legend on opposing and defeating gods.
>Over there, for example, you can see Gilgamesh, the King of Heroes, along with his friend Enkidu. I am sure I do not need to tell you their accomplishments. They will help us in this fight. And they are far from the only ones opposing Orochi.
>My own powers are not to underestimated either. I have already freed Mochizuki Chiyome from his control and purified her curse entirely. Orochi's power over her was nothing compared to mine.
>With our plan, our power, and your tactical genius there can be no doubt for the outcome
>We will triumph, save the world from Orochi and give our homeland the glorious future she deserves
How's this guys?

Shit, typo
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>>4748454
I want to offer her the guarantee of staying near us ready to kill, to be sure.
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>>4748454
I would like to also headpat her, but maybe not a good idea now.
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>>4748461
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>>4748459
I think it goes without saying

>>4748463
We should headpat Taiga when next we visit the Dojo.
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>>4748404
>>4748458
+1
this is fine
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It's a slight shame bait-no-jutsu never panned out
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>>4748458
Also maybe add for you to keep a hard look at her eyes while saying this, so she can believe you.
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>>4748465
Ah, you wish to enter the Secret Zone?
The Taiga Dojo Taiga Dojo?
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>>4748465
Uh, how does it go without saying if its not in the vote? Just outright say it to her I meant.
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>>4748469
It's also a slight shame we didn't get Achilles.
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>>4748475
You got this totally not treacherous fairy instead.
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>>4748474
It goes without saying that she'll kill us if she's not satisfied. That's the basis of our current negotiation. And are you sure we should outright tell her to deceive her Master when we're assuming he's listening in and not revealing our plan?
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>>4748475
Orochi would eat him.

Where would he be useful actually? Other than speedmogging everything before they draw a weapon
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>>4748434
Get the update out. Thats my vote
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>>4748477
Would she have a reason to betray us though?
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>>4748434
Call in 30
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>>4748483
Maybe if you don't bully Merlin hard enough.
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>>4748477
Regrets were made
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>>4748477
That's why it's only a SLIGHT shame

Our precious bodily fluids!

>>4748480
Speedmogging, duel an enemy servant maybe, be based, be nice to Atalante who'll be arriving shortly.

Power-wise, Morgan beats him hands-down, yeah.
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>>4748477
It's funny how hard you're trying to convince us she's a traitor when we all know it's EMIYA
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>>4748488
Him and Cu would be a good fight
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>>4748489
It's probably sakura
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>>4748488
Duel Field is a huge dab to anyone juiced up by Divine Protections too. We should probably tell him to lose the scarf though
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>>4748485
We just need her there when we ask merlin why and what he is doing.
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>>4748404
Changing
>>4748455
To
>>4748458
Then. I'll accept it.
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>>4748404
>>4748458
>>4748472
Support
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>>4748404
Making >>4748458 official
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I think he's already writing
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>>4748404
change >>4748447
to

>>4748458


Send it WhatIs
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I for one support headpatting Taiga
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>>4748500
6 minutes till I start.
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>>4748500
I noticed dumping complex autistic writeins on him constantly was hurting his update speed.

Probably had an idea of how the scenario was to play out, wrote one or two paragraphs and then checked the vote and had to start again from scratch.
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>>4748504
if we die, lets headpat both her ilya and faggot shinji
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>>4748501
I love that they took the effort of giving him a reflection in the glass
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>>4748506
Thanks for being a good qm
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>>4748506
hot incestuous witch
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>>4748504
Maybe we should vote for her to be the next interlude, if there's nothing more important at the time.
I wanna know who's her servant.
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>>4748507
Shouldn't make it so we get curseaids without writeins then.
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>>4748404
>>4748458
+1 since it's most bragging about things Orochi already knows about.
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>>4748509
I steal all this stuff from AronHeadbutt's twitter. He also makes Fate stuff on Youtube
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>>4748507
Yeah, but complex autistic writeins is how we've avoided disaster so far.
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>>4748507
We kinda need to do this.
Too much paranoia at this point.
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>>4748458
+1
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>>4748519
>Too much paranoia at this point.
You can never be too paranoid. Never. That's how Orochi gets your friends.
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>>4748507
It's only natural for the pace to become more methodical as the situation becomes harder to navigate.
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>>4748519
>>4748518
He could offer a very valid but normal end style prompt at all times if he wanted to avoid 550 posts of plan synthesis while he's sleeping. Meaning we could keep in line with his general direction of ends more regularly and just add slight extras to polish it
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>>4748523
He could, but he doesn't. I assume he's enjoying the paranoid autistic write-ins.
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>>4748524
You assume correctly, your paranoia sustains me.
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>>4748524
this quest is more of a puzzle at this point.
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>>4748526
But I'm paranoid we're not being paranoid enough.
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>>4748524
It's like he has a whole quest of content reflected back on him I guess. Keeps the writefag motivated to continue anyway.

On a side note, what were the 3 options presented again when Shinji wrote in the book?

At this stage it's all but confirmed that one very important moment is when Shinji had his powerset aligned to literally rewriting characters if given a chance.

>>4748526
Merlin is your self insert, we get it. That's the only reason why he's making things difficult for us.
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>>4748529
I see.
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>>4748529
>On a side note, what were the 3 options presented again when Shinji wrote in the book?
Delete, rewrite, create iirc.
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>>4748532
Narratively we chose the best then. There are ways to delete problems with force, creation of OC defeats the purpose of happy end for existing characters
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>>4748529
One was turning back the pages in the book,
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>>4748535
I think that's pretty much our thought process back then too.
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>>4748537
i wonder what would have happened if we ate the book
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>>4748540
Punch out God, Eat the book, what stupidity could we have done to the three doors?
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>>4748541
knock on all the doors
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>>4748542
Mediate a triumvirate between Manaka, YHWH and Azathoth/Nyarly
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>>4748541
Which three doors?

And how's this as a first draft of our future world map?
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>>4748475
I'm still hoping we can bullshit our way into getting him, his father was an Argonaut and don't we still have his catalyst?
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>>4748544
we were presented a fleshy blood leaking door, a hollow void? door and something else
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>>4748543
yeah, that would be funny
maybe a carnival moment.
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>>4748544
Mordred is gonna take over North America too?
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>>4748544
We had a choice in a dream to enter one of three door corresponding to the three greater scope factions.
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>>4748544
I hope Mordred comes to visit my colony and removes all the chinks.

Will Karna finally make India a superpower?

Will India finally use toilets?
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>>4748544
Where is the independant state of Babylonia.
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>>4748544
not bad, but why mordred would want america?
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>>4748554
Moon
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>>4748554
Gil probably won't want to rule or rather, he feels like he owns the world already
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>>4748557
Hamborgah
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>>4748545
We do. I suppose we could get him if we start summoning more people at some point.

>>4748549
They are former British territories, still speaking the same language.

>>4748546
>>4748550
I don't remember that at all. Last dream I remember was when Manaka was waving and we headed straight for Nyarly to get our evil witch back.

>>4748554
I can just color countries, can't do it for a single city.

And I'm kinda hoping he'll want to chill with his clay and his girl.
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>>4748560
He even has a magic tablet that says he owns the world and all the gods.
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>>4748544
Aren't you going to give any land to the Queen of Dragons or the Fairy Queen?
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>>4748567
Yeah, in my pants
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>>4748544
Nobu has her work cut out for her trying to conquer China AND Korea

>>4748564
May as well go with South America too since most countries down south are or were US puppet states, may as well make it officially apart of the New British Empire
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>>4748571
Cucking Rin

>>4748572
South America is for Ort chan
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>>4748572
Argentina's gonna freak!
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>>4748564
It was before that.
If I remember correctly we walked through a tentacle door and had a dream about Azatoth.
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>>4748567
our dragon loli will stay with us, headpats until she gets bigger.
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>>4748567
Queen of the Dragons gets the skies + whatever patches of land she wants. Our mansion will also be considered part of her sovereign territory.

Queen of the Fairies gets the Reverse Side.
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>>4748575
>Cucking Rin
>Getting cucked by Seibah
>Getting cucked by imouto
>Getting cucked by witch
Being Rin is suffering
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>>4748581
The Reverse Side is kind of boring if it's a New Age of Gods though.
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>>4748584
She'll cope with a parallel version of herself who was also cucked out of their romantic interests
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>>4748575
ORT is a neet that never leaves her cave.
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>>4748585
Ah, well. We'll figure something out. It's just the first draft.

If anyone else wants to give it a try, here's what I used:

https://mapchart.net/world.html
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>>4748589
She's just having a nap ok. Daybit will wake her up
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>>4748585
I don't know why people are still calling it the new age of gods when there are no gods involved in it and all the people that are involved are at most fairies or demigods.
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>>4748572
I, for one, welcome our new cute Mo-san overlord.
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>Fairy Seibah actually likes Rin
>People wanna cuck her
Let her have this one thing. We've already taken her sister, and other Saber took her crush, what more do you want?!
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>>4748587
Who well end up being stolen from her somehow by Redman

>>4748544
The more I look at this map, the funnier it gets, Mordred somehow guns for North America but not the rest of Europe lmao
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And any settlement in south america also risks someone getting hijacked by some residual god bacteria. Tezcatlipoca is a bit of a cunt
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>>4748599
her anal virginity
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>>4748594
If it's a new Age of Gods, the Gods still alive on the Reverse Side will slowly begin to migrate over to the Surface of the Planet, and new Gods will begin to come into existence too.
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>>4748599
I want her
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>>4748599
More Rin NTR material

>>4748600
She must prefer a goblin civilisation to a muslim one?
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>>4748600
Hey, my country has the longest alliance in the world with Britain, I expect her to honor it.
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>>4748599
I want Rin too, also Medea wants Seibah Fairy too, I don't want Seibah Fairy though as it seems extremely fucking weird to go out with your best friend's wife's clone while we're already nailing her daughterson. They can flip a coin to decide who gets her on the weekends
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>>4748603
Hmm. We'll need to figure out a way to stop this. Gods are cunts.
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>>4748606
Hello Portugal Friend.
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>>4748606
Portugal is based for a commie state
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>>4748608
Tartarus is always open for business!
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>>4748610
Wow. 1 minute. I'm impressed.
Actually, scratch that. Let her conquer us. Can't be any worse than the state we're in now.
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>>4748608
maybe use wodime's plan of making humanity god-tier without causing the timeline to die.
Someone would have to sacrifice themselves though.
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>>4748612
>Alcides gets to spend eternity hammering down any god that pops up
Brilliant! He will be so happy!
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>>4748608
New Age of Man. Where man equals the magic of myth and legend, heightening himself further.
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I don't even think Mordred is gonna actually rule, she’s gonna conquer half the world and we're gonna institute a constitutional monarch, basically whatever she wants will bypass parliament or whatever local governments in place but that's rarely if ever gonna happen since it's fucking Mordred and she’s just gonna listen to whatever we want to happen
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>>4748610
>>4748611
I see, you're faster now.
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>>4748617
Maybe we could do an Age of Wonders, after the Age of Gods and the Age of Man?
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>>4748611
>>4748610
Also, Is it so hard to ask that we get even ONE portuguese servant?! Just one!
I'd take anyone at this point man. Viriato, Afonso Henriques, Nuno Alvares Pereira,
Vasco da Gama...
It's really annoying.
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>>4748624
Portugal is like the most modern Greece or Egypt. Once great, now a tourist destination for pasty britbongs and a based tax haven if your income is only from capital gains
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>>4748624
Ok say what you want about FGO, it's pretty good at avoiding nipwank, none of the Japanese servants are considered the best of the best and its good at giving different country's heroes a chance to shine
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>>4748624
Sorry, best I can do you is...
Let's see...
an El Cid with no art who gets killed by Zombie Hannibal.
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>>4748630
>Insert Musashi BTFOing Chaos here.
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>>4748631
Bull fucking shit, where?
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>>4748624
How about a fucking brazilian servant for once.
fuck
Nasu is autistic, he seems to forget some countries.
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>>4748630
Touta is pathetic compared to his myth.

Raicow is queen jobber.

However..

A GOD CUT, DEFEATED
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>>4748634
Requiem.
Unfortunately.
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>>4748633
Sakurai jerking off the ever living shit out of their waifu is an outlier
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>>4748630
do you even musashi
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>>4748634
requiem. hannibal gets mogged by nzambi and made into a zombie slave
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>>4748630
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>>4748636
Brazil, Mexico (quetz only barely counts), and a non-Arthurian-legend English servant. Holmes doesn’t cut it but at least we have bad grandpa
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>>4748644
I wish holmes was a actual detective, in fgo he is just "i know this because reasons" for everything
Dude is very boring
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>>4748633
>>4748638
bruh he's fast today.

>>4748644
Babbage, Jekyl, Frankenstein, Drake, Robin, Teach, Boudicca, Billy Shakes, Jack, Anne and Mary, Nightingale, Nursery Rhyme kinda, Moriarty, Sherlock
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>>4748644
>non-Arthurian-legend English servant
Robin Hood would like a word.
So would Astolfo
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>>4748646
You forgot Shakespeare. Cool guy.
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>>4748646
thats only for europe though
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>>4748648
look again.

>>4748650
they're all british, I forgot Astolfo who is also a british prince
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>>4748647
>So would Astolfo
Not a fan?
I like him. Even with all the memes, he's a stand up guy. Hope he shows up.
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>>4748653
Fuck me, I should go to bed.
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>>4748653
yeah, british.
To be fair, as someone outside of europe almost all of western europe kinda blends into one thing.
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>>4748658
well Boudicca is pre-briton. Prince Nennius would be neat, he dabbed on Caesar. Shield that steals NPs when it blocks and access to Crocea Mors + strange celt runic skills
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>>4748662
If you want to be this accurate about Boudicca, then we should acknowledge that the post-Norman-conquest Britons are pretty much a different people as well.
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>>4748662
>Boudica
God do I hate her design.
Her entire design just looks like the sort of thing you'd see in a generic light novel.
Why couldn't they at least try to go for the barbarian warrior woman look a little?
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>>4748662
>Nennius faced Caesar in single combat. Caesar struck Nennius a blow to the head, but his sword got stuck in Nennius's shield. After they separated in the melée, Nennius threw away his own sword and attacked the Romans with Caesar's sword, killing many, including the tribune Labienus. Fifteen days after the battle Nennius died of his head wound, and was buried at London, near the North Gate. Caesar's sword, named Crocea Mors ("Yellow Death"), is buried with him.

High rank Battle Continuation and he even killed le benis :DDD
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>>4748666
Goblin onahole!

NERO SAMA I KNEEL
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>>4748666
Coomerbait. Nips like her so I guess it was the right choice, plus they hint towards an Avenger version of her that would actually hate the Romans
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so the next update is the last for today? i need to sleep
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>>4748681
He's ironing out the daily cliffhanger to ensure he has autism to browse when he returns
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>>4748671
The Japanese are basically the perfect consoomer, they like whatever they are given, and then will wageslave until they die.
>>4748681
Yeah it will be.
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>>4748685
ok, then i will be back later.
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"I'm sure that you understand that I cannot in good faith reveal the full extent of my plans to you while you still act as Yamata-no-Orochi's Servant. You must understand that." Nobunaga simply looks at you and doesn't say a word, clearly she's not satisfied with this much. "But... I can tell you this..." You wave your arm in the direction of your gathered allies. "Many of my assembled allies have practically based their entire legends on opposing and defeating Gods. Down there is Gilgamesh, the King of Heroes, and his friend and equal, Enkidu. I imagine you are well aware of both their power and their accomplishments."

"So, you are going to attempt to attain victory through overwhelming force? Is that it? I was hoping for something with a little more thought put into it than that. Especially considering just what sort of adversary that you're up against here." Nobunaga crosses her arms, apparently unimpressed by the power of your gathered allies. Of course, it's not about how much power you have, it's really about how you use that power.

"Oh please, don't think that my plans are so simple that I would be planning on using nothing but power to achieve my victory here. I already told you that I can't tell you the specifics, but you should've already been able to figure out at least that victory isn't impossible for a faction with as much power as mine. I merely pointed out Gilgamesh and Enkidu to you, and those two are far from the only two Servants with a great amount of power I have assisting me. Of course, I haven't even brought up my own abilities either."

"Oh, you think that you're somebody capable of making a difference against a God like Yamata-no-Orochi? A living human magus, saying his power can make a difference against a Beast such as him? I'd laugh at your hubris, if the situation wasn't so dire."

You actually laugh at Nobunaga's own threat to laugh at you. "Oh, that is funny. Nobunaga... You're familiar with what happened to Chiyome, I take it? The Assassin of your faction, the one who was sent to kill me." You draw Nobunaga's attention to Chiyome's failed assassination attempt, you want to gauge how much this enemy of yours knows.

"She failed to kill you, that much is obvious. I take it you disposed of her after her failure." Nobunaga still doesn't sound all that impressed, not seeing the relevance in Chiyome's failure. The fact that an assassination attempt failed isn't really that big a surprise to Nobunaga as somebody who used to rule a country.
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"Well, it's true that she failed..." Of course, it was only a failure because you realized the potency of the poison she had struck you with, had you not, you may very have died. "...but I also recruited her to my side after using my own power to purify her curse and break her contract with Orochi. A curse that plagued her bloodline for years, purified in an effect that I believe reached even the Chiyome in the throne. When it comes to the machinations of Evil Gods such as Orochi, I am very much their anathema, the power I wield cannot be defied, even by the Gods." You start to get a little too into describing your own abilities, so you get back on track. "So, with my plan, with all our power and with your tactical genius, there will be no doubt for the outcome."

"My tactical genius?" Nobunaga looks at you like you've lost your mind. "Do you really think that I'm going to aid you after that speech?" She's taunting you, but you know that she has at least been partially convinced by your words.

"Of course, together we shall triumph! Together we will save the entire planet from those who would see it brought to a complete barren ruin, and together... together we can give our homeland the glorious future that she deserves! So join me, Demon King of the Sixth Heaven! Aid me in my act of defiance to this so called God!" You roar at Nobunaga, your voice promising glory and success.

"Well... that was a better pitch than I was expecting, I'm going to be honest." Another voice, it's behind you again, and it's... also Nobunaga!? You stare at the image of the woman in front of you, which fades out and loses focus. "You've got some persuasive ability there, you know. If you were alive in my time, I definitely would've made you one of my generals, Makiri." The voice behind you continues talking as you turn to face her, and you see Nobunaga standing there, almost as if she just teleported directly behind you. "Oh, don't worry about how I got behind you, it was just an illusion, that's one of my Noble Phantasms, it allows me to deceive an opponent by creating an illusory image of myself, while also rendering myself invisible for as long as they are fooled." Nobunaga claps her hands together. "Now, you said you could break my contract, yes? I'd rather that you do so sooner rather than later, I don't know just how long I have until Orochi decides to check in on me, he's already suspicious of me."
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"Ah right, well just give me a moment." You begin to walk towards Nobunaga, preparing yourself to use the magecraft unique to you once again. You're really thankful that the speed at which you regenerated magical energy was improved so much, otherwise you never would've been capable of these rapid successive uses of Truth.

>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to only break her contract with Orochi.
>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to apply a concept to her instead (What Concept?)
>Have Sakura bind Nobunaga with ribbons before approaching her... just in case.
>Remove her hat and headpat Nobunaga.
>Write-in...
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>>4748544
You know, it's surprising that you didn't give give Illya Austria and Germany. Or Luvia Finland.
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>>4748738
>>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to apply a concept to her instead (What Concept?)
>Avenger
Demon King Nobunaga let's fucking go
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It really was an illusion, but she had us fooled to the end. Nobunaga OP.

>>4748744
Fuck, I forgot. We'd even talked about this. The second draft will be ready by the time you wake up.
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>Orochi right now
THAT IS THE 3RD ONE WE'VE STOLEN FROM HIM
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>>4748733

Just noticed your id is Sherlock's martial art technique, weird.

Nobu concept?

How about Unification?

Of her many selves, of her country. recreates her legend of Uniting Japan.

We were giving her Japan anyway right?
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>>4748756
actually this works, her Avenger self is a aggregation of all her selves past present and future from all possibilities, she can have Japan yeah, not like we're gonna want a country
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>>4748754
Whoever would have guessed that the Japanese Servants don't want to serve Yamata-no-Orochi?
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I'd suggest against headpat for this one. Nobu headpats you
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>>4748763
apparently Orochi has a bigger ego than Gil, you'd think after losing the 3rd servant that he'd maybe stop or at least force a command seal or two
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>>4748738
>>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to apply a concept to her instead
>Unification
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>>4748764
Yeah... she'd probably kill us if we touched the hat.
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>>4748751
Not really, we brought up the possibility before the update that this was an illusion.
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>>4748738
>>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to only break her contract with Orochi.
She asked us to break her contract, let's break her contract. She said she wasn't sure how long we had before Orochi checked in on her.
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>>4748738

>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to only break her contract with Orochi
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>>4748766
He's not micromanaging, and he doesn't really care about how you deal with the distractions.
They don't matter in the end.
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>>4748738
>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to first break her contract with Orochi
>If there is still time, once she has been freed from Orochi apply the concept of Unification

I don't even care if The Demon King is her own autonomous faction. She may very well be a walking Spirit Bomb of the Japanese and need no master, and act as the country itself fighting back against this threat.
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>>4748770
whenever we apply a concept it breaks the contract set in place
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>>4748733
>illusory image of myself,
called it
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>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to apply a concept to her instead
>Unification
Let's fucking go
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>>4748754
Grandpa eternally butthurt.

>>4748756
Unification's decent, but I'm not sure we should mess with her yet, especially if Unification causes her to unite with all possible selves. Won't she see this as a violation.

>>4748763
I'm actually wondering why Siegfried hasn't defected yet.

>>4748769
We did, but Shinji couldn't see through the illusion even with the possibility in his mind.
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>>4748738
>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to apply a concept to her instead (What Concept?): progress

Isn't the whole reason why she can fight gods because she is the personification of Japan's progress? So I'd lean into that instead of straight using Avenger. Especially when this is the concept of avenger and not the class. If it was that easy all we'd have to do with Saber Alt is put lancer on her.
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>>4748775
>They don't matter in the end.
Someone I think that line of reasoning might bite him in the ass later on.
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Also qm, can you say what the other choices would have done to Enkidu?
I did tally all the votes like you asked.
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>>4748775
>be Orochi
>lose all your servants
>all your lost servants are converted to the enemy's side
>I-I didn't even want any of them
no wonder he's about to die
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>>4748779
>>4748776
>>4748756
>>4748749
I just want to point out, Nobu's Avenger version literally causes her to fade from existence, because it's something that can't exist due to being every possible incarnation of Nobunaga to ever exist ever at the same time.
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>>4748780
Complimentary power up for giving us her ear. Maybe have Shinji ask if she would like a chance to overcome her class container limitations and tap into her true potential?

We can't attack her, she's already weary of us. There is always the chance she gets CS'd but then >>4748775

Everything is bait, kill the snake.
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>>4748780
>I'm actually wondering why Siegfried hasn't defected yet.
...
sumenai.
Also he's been given a handler to contain his autism.
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>>4748791
That's if she goes full auto. If she sacrifices herself for her country taking down snake I don't see that as a bad end for her. Nippon Banzai the land of the rising sun and suicide rates.
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>>4748794
Vortigern has him on a leash, poor guy.

King of Dragons Charisma
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>>4748793
Break the contract immediately, ask if she wants a power up, apply power up? It'll up the time needed from 10 secs to maybe 30.

>>4748791
I'd rather not go for Unification then.
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>>4748791
if she does become an Avenger Nobu it wouldn't be a straight one to one of the Avenger Nobu we see in FGO, applying concepts to Servants seem to make them more "alive" if thats the right word for it
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Who's going to have the most servant stolen from them by the end of day R!Manaka or Orochi?

Current score R!Manaka:5 Orochi:3
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>>4748790
Yeah, kind of strange to summon all these Servants that you don't need when your enemy can steal them.
Unless he's doing it exclusively to flex by kicking our ass anyways.
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>>4748799
i don't think we can just do that can we? We've never just applied a power up, we only ever did it when breaking some sort of contract
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>>4748800
I'd avoid anything that risks her becoming Demon King Nobunaga. If anything, the closest I'd do is THE ROCK AND ROLL.
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>>4748803
We're wasting time dealing with them. We'd be kicking his door down otherwise.

>>4748804
I think we can, it's just weird to do that with long-time allies.
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>>4748799
Doesn't work that way. We can only imprint concepts when altering unwanted contracts, as seen for the first time with Shuten and every time since.
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>>4748789
Sure, you already know what Humanity does to an extent.
Freedom would give Enkidu the power to give Freedom to other people, allowing him to break contracts at a distance and also completely negate any binding abilities.
Sovereignty would've made him truly supreme over his own body, basically granting him the ability to become completely immutable and thus invincible.
Wisdom would've given him a natural talent to determine whether something would succeed or fail with almost complete accuracy. A skill that he could use in combat to practically plan out a fight perfectly before it starts.
Friendship would've given him Proof of Friendship A++

Also are you all ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN you want to turn Nobunaga into the True Demon King?
You don't think that might backfire?
I mean, even if it doesn't end up burning out her spiritual core, you really don't think it could backfire?
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So this is the last update right?
If so, I'll leave you guys to the autistic discussion over what to do with Nobu. Hope you already have the 5 paragraph vote ready by the time I wake up.
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>>4748819
Yes that was the last update.
Good night thread!
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>>4748818
Freedom would have been the most powergaming option, but Liberation is best for clae. We did good.
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speaking of dumbass gods, we actually lucked putting Purification on Chiyome, if not, it would've been extremely fucking hard to deal with Ishtar and she likely would've been a fourth faction to deal with

>>4748818
yeah i feel like we made the right choice with Enkidu

>Also are you all ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN you want to turn Nobunaga into the True Demon King?
Yeah
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>>4748827
Yeah, without Purification we would have needed to go there ourselves. It probably would have played out similarly, Jason tricking her, Illya giving power to Alcides to restrain her, us getting our 10 secs, but we wouldn't have been able to deal with Enkidu at the same time.

I am absolutely certain I DO NOT WANT the True Demon King Nobunaga.
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Let's give her progress or possibility.
Based on her quote she gets that anti-divine goodness.

The possibilities of mankind belong to men, the gods and Buddha should be respected and not relied upon; do you guys just plan to depend on the honorable Buddha for everything?
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Oh, and before I leave.
QM please. I'm begging you here.
I'll even forget about Lancer Alter. She's the only one I ALMOST whaled for.
Alright goodnight.
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>>4748837
You know, you could always ask Alaya for her the next time you speak with her.
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>>4748833
Actually, I'll back Progress or Possibility if you throw up a vote for it. That sounds like it'd fit her well enough.
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>>4748799
yep. thats why I specifically said break contract, then go for concept. I guess asking in-between steps is fine? But the arguments I'm seeing indicate there is a risk of missing out on the option if it's not instantaneously.

If people don't want Nobu suicide bombing Orochi with her decaying Saint Graph then..

>However, the body that houses the karma of fear and resentment of multitudes of people inside it, can not be contained within the Saint Graph of a Heroic Spirit whose "origin is just a human" and with each successive ascension, even more possible Nobunagas are edified. A multitude of possibilities sounds good on paper, but the end result that awaits is her meaning as a person vanishing due to diffusion. Nobunaga herself is aware of it, but doesn't talk about.

>"Well, how do I say this, don't you agree that I'm the most adorably cute even compared to the other mes? Actually, isn't the largest me scary?"

What about Persistence? Okita Alter also has it as a skill, it may help her exist despite an aggregate form.

>However, fundamentally, her form is not one that denies the gods and Buddha, but demonstrates Nobunaga's belief that "The possibilities of mankind belong to men, the gods and Buddha should be respected and not relied upon; do you guys just plan to depend on the honorable Buddha for everything?". That is what's "Innocent Monster"-like about her, however, her existence as the Demon King Nobunaga that became the enemy of gods and Buddha and imposes a severe life on all living beings is akin to that of the Tenma, even if she could be called a supporter of Buddhist teachings.

>"I am Demon King Nobunaga────The enemy of gods and Buddha and all living beings, reborn by surpassing the Heaven of Pleasure."

>Surpassing the Demon King of Pleasure.

Let's do her one better then. When Buddha ignored the thot under the Bohdi Tree he achieved Enlightenment, so why not impart this concept on Nobu to recreate that legend. Bodhisattva Nobu?

>Still, a point to make note of is that it's not like this "Demon King Nobunaga" is the pinnacle of Nobunagas. While it may be true that she's one of the most powerful forms born from the story known as "Nobunaga", that doesn't make her the "pinnacle", but the embodiment of the one furthest from the "truth"────the human-shaped flame that burns brightly on the other side.

However the thing that probably fits Nobu's ideals most, and would not really cause issues with her Demon King nature as it actually manifests the Truest form of her self would be the concept of..

>Anthropocentrism - Human Supremacy. She was all about having men do things with their own hands and leaving God to his heavens.
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>>4748841
But if we do that, what about EMIYA, EMIYA and TOHSAKA?
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>>4748843
And then Alcides gets a wife too.
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>>4748842
Already have a vote up for progress.
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>>4748844
Just ask for them too.
Maybe do some janny work for a while.
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>>4748738
Switching >>4748770
to back >>4748781
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