"OK, so... Medea, I want you to use your magic to teleport Karna, Alcides and... Archer to good vantage points, but Archer and Alcides need to be close enough to race into the forest when the initial sniping is done with. Jason, you'll be going with Alcides." You make up your mind quickly as to just what needs to be done, and you're about to suggest that after she's done with teleporting them, she should suggest everyone else to the entrance to the forest including the group flying on the back of Alítheia, as to cut down travel time and... well, the odds of the humans living in Fuyuki seeing the giant mansion sized dragon flying through the air. But seeing as Sakura can't be teleported still, you suppose that you'll just have to take Alítheia to the forests from the mansion instead. Oh well.

"...Very well." EMIYA agrees, and the three Archers approach the metallic map floating in the center of the room, and start to point out locations that would be good for them to be teleported to.

"And done!" The fox woman sure works fast! It's not even been more than two minutes, and she's already done?! "Everyone, I want you to take one of these." Tamamo starts walking around the room handing out what look like cute little fox stickers, though the one she gives you is just a cartoonish version of her with love-hearts in her eyes. "If you stick these to your bare skin, you'll be able to a communicate with everyone else who has one of them on them by touching them!" It's hardly the sort of magic item you were expecting her to make, but you suppose that you can't really complain about it, considering how quickly she managed to make one for everyone.

"Thank you... Second Caster." Medea looks down at her own fox sticker on the back of her hand with a frown, before she turns her attention back to those suited for Archery still looking over the map. Medea has a foul expression on her face as she teleports Jason and Alcides. Jason looks like he's about to have his heart stop out of sheer fear as Alcides practically forces him to come along with him. For somebody like Jason, willingly allowing himself to be affected by Medea's magic should be completely terrifying for him, but he really doesn't have much choice in the matter, and with Alcides' urging, allows himself to be teleported to some rooftop somewhere. Archer ends up taking a closer vantage point that will allow him to enter melee quickly, and Karna, being somebody with no reason to personally enter melee combat at all thanks to Orochi's abilities, and his incredible range, just opts to be teleported to the top of the tallest building in Fuyuki.

"Now, the rest of the assault team, if you would, Medea." You have everyone getting involved in the actual assault on Orochi be teleported just outside the bounds of the forest. If Merlin has somehow set up an enchantment to block the ability to scry into the forest, then teleporting there is likely going to be met with even more resistance." Medea just nods as she teleports the group of incredibly powerful melee oriented Servants to the border of the forest. Leaving the room far less populated. "While we're gone, I want you to call Taiga, Shirou. I need to make sure that she's safe, she's... either a Master, or a candidate for becoming a Master. I had her scryed upon earlier, but I've been busy and she seemed safe, at least."

"Alright, I've... probably put off calling her for a little too long now anyway. She's... probably worried about me." Shirou frowns as he suddenly realizes his mistakes in not calling Taiga, and understanding what a dreadful mistake that he has made. Ah well, she'll almost certainly forgive him if he comes home with Kiritsugu, so whatever. "But... a Master? That's a surprise, Fuji-nee isn't the sort of person who sounds like she could ever be a magus." Shirou scratches his head in confusion.

"Agreed, which is why there's likely something strange going on with either her, her Servant, or the actual specifics of her summoning. Try to find them out if you can through the phonecall, please." While you don't really spend much time with her, you still worry for Taiga's safety. She's a nice person, and a truly good person. There's really not a single bad bone in her entire body. Which is ironic, considering that she's basically a Yakuza Princess. In fact, because of your intervention, the Fujimura group are the most powerful Yakuza group in the entire country. Honestly, god help any mundane person that even tries to lay a finger on Taiga, in fact, with both Shirou and EMIYA here, you can really say the same for any magical being too, the two of them won't hesitate to murder anybody who would even threaten to harm Taiga, she's that dear to the two Shirous. "Now, there's one more thing I need to ask before we can set off, Rin." You suddenly call the twin-tailed girl, who looks a little shocked that you're singling her out to ask a question to. She's not in her Kaleido-form right now.

"What's up?" Rin asks, she was probably wondering why she hadn't been included in any parts of the plan so far, but you don't want her riding on the back of Alítheia with everyone else when she'll be able to be far more effective by flying alongside Alítheia using her abilities.

"I've got two questions, actually." Your first question is more important than the second, but you have been wondering just why you haven't been able to find Amethyst recently. "First up, you're capable of flight in your Kaleido-Ruby form, right?" You ask a question that you already know the answer to, but you just want her to confirm, just in case you're mistaken.

"That's right." Rin does in fact confirm that she is very much capable of flight. Of course, the Kaleidosticks are tremendously overpowered Mystic Codes, and it's strange that she never thought of using the wand in the original fifth war, but you suppose that she was just worried of the potential side-effects of it, or sealed her own memories of the thing even existing in the first place. It's only slightly inferior to the Jewel Sword as a weapon, and now that it's been combined with the Jewel Sword, Rin as Kaleido-Ruby can very much compete with Servants directly, and likely draw forth enough magical energy to overwhelm all but the most powerful Noble Phantasms using the supreme sword of the Second True Magic. You wonder what Zelretch must think of the weapon, he's almost certainly observing events here, and it's a greater weapon than even the original Jewel Sword that he wielded was thanks to being combined with a Kaleidostick.

"Well, good, I want you to fly alongside Alítheia." You quickly reveal your intention, and Rin doesn't comment on your decision, it's not really something that she should really have any sort of reason not to do. "And... one more thing? Do you know where Amethyst is? I haven't seen her since I deactivated my own Kaleido-form, and I thought she might've been recharging or something."

"Amethyst? No, I've not seen your Kaleidostar. Are you sure she's not just hiding?" Why would she be hiding? Well, it was worth a shot, you suppose. But wherever Amethyst is right now, Rin isn't going to be any help finding her. You'll just have Medea scry for the damn thing at a later point, it's not really like you're planning on using it to get rid of Orochi, after all, so you don't want to waste too much time in looking for it right now, it's a useful potential power-up, sure, but you aren't entirely certain that it's not going to just straight up turn you into a girl by 'accident' when you use it again.

"No, never mind. Let's just be off. Shirou, Saber, Arcueid, Satsuki, Illya and Aoko. I leave the house's defense to all of you. I know you won't let me down, you six." You smile at the six before leaving the room. It's a little odd that you're leaving not just Arcueid, but also Aoko at the home for defensive reasons. You had kind of expected Aoko would want to come with you as well, but you suppose she might want to observe things from a distance before getting herself involved properly. It's better that she's kept as a Trump Card rather than immediately revealing an ace card anyway, you think.

You quickly ascend to the ground floor of the house before leaving and standing in Rin's garden. It's a fairly big garden, thankfully. "OK, Alítheia, you don't mind carrying everyone to the forest, do you?" You ask the girl, who you ended up carrying on your shoulders up to the garden before setting her down.

"No, that's fine! Does this mean I get to take my... other form?" The little girl has a wide smile on her face as she asks for confirmation as to just whether or not she's going to be allowed to become a colossal dragon once again, and a quick nod from you causes her smile to widen even further. You suppose for her, being given the permission to return to her dragon form would be like being given the opportunity to stretch her legs after sitting down for a long time.

The girl begins to glow a blinding gold, a great light impossible to see through that grows larger and larger until eventually the blinding light is larger than Rin's entire house! When it stops growing, the light fades, and leaves you with just Alítheia, though her golden scales are glowing with power in the night. OK, yeah, there's absolutely no way that the general population aren't going to see this. You sigh. Fuck it at this point, keeping mystery secret was never going to be a functional solution, and Epithelial is generating enough magical energy and mystery just by being in her current form that it should act as a decent enough counter-balance to the potential degradation of mystery by allowing more people to see it.

"Everyone, climb aboard!" Alítheia lowers her head and very lightly nuzzles against you, almost knocking you flat on your back thanks to her large size, though you take the opportunity to lightly pat the side of her head. Alítheia is a good girl. You then take the time to climb atop the Dragon, and end up sitting on her neck, holding on to a spike, strangely enough, there seems to be a form of... false mental connection between yourself and the dragon. Not a true one that allows you to actually truly telepathically communicate to her, but instead a means of giving her orders of what she should do. This must be a result of her blessing applying even to her! Of course, her being who she is, those commands would likely be little more than suggestions to her, but there's very little reason she would refuse to follow them anyway.

Sakura and Medea sit directly behind you, with Shuten behind Medea and Shiki behind her in turn. Tamamo grumbled a little at being made to sit at the back, but it was a necessity because of her long fluffy tails obscuring the vision of anybody who might try to sit behind her. As Alítheia takes to the skies, you reinforce your own eyes in order to grant yourself a sort of night-vision, allowing you to see what's going on far better than you otherwise would at nighttime. Where before the forests would be a completely pitch-black void at night, now you can see see through the clearings in the trees to the forest floor below. Rin flies to the side of Alítheia, keeping an eye out for enemies that might try to attack from Alítheia's blind spots.

As you continue to soar through the air, Alítheia suddenly stops, and you can feel the reason why. A massive build-up of magical energy in the forests down below! But before you can perhaps investigate it further, a massive torrential wave of red and black destruction appears in practically a single instant! The wave destroying everything in its path with complete ease! Damn it! This has to be Excalibur Morgan! That's an attack that could easily wipe out an-

You stop as another huge build-up of magical energy suddenly occurs, and another wave of magical energy is brought about to oppose the destruction that Excalibur Morgan would deal, this wave however is a beautiful glowing gold of hope. What's going on?!

The two blasts clash with each other, and the golden light clearly has a huge advantage over the black light of destruction. Overwhelming it and pushing it back before the two blasts fade away as the magical energy put into them is used up. That...! That had to be Excalibur! But how?! Is this Merlin's doing?! You can see smoke emerging from the distance, the bombardment of the Einzbern Castle having already occurred, and there's a roar in the distance. The roar sounds awfully familiar, almost like Alítheia's own roar, but deeper! It's not coming from the direction of Illya's Castle, either! Damn it, where should you go first?!

>Prepare to deal with the altered Servants, go after the party that Excalibur Morgan came from.
>Go after the other party, you want to find out who managed to use Excalibur to overwhelm the altered Holy Sword.
>Go directly to the smoking Einzbern Castle. Send the Divine Servants with you back home.
>Check out the direction that the dragon roar came from.
>Write-in...

>>4735945
tfw daughter is now called 'skin'

>>4735951
Are you a medfag WhatIs? It's better than a Wendy's jannie at least

>>4735951
What?

>>4735953
> and Epithelial is generating enough magical energy and mystery just by being in her current form

>>4735954
What the
What the fuck?
How the fuck.
What in the fuck.
I'm lazy and can't be bothered to remember alt-codes, so I use spellcheck to add the accent to the i in her name, so I guess I accidentally must've clicked the wrong option.
Now I want to delete the update and post it again.

>Prepare to deal with the altered Servants, go after the party that Excalibur Morgan came from.
We will weaken Manaka and get some good Servants.
>Go after the other party, you want to find out who managed to use Excalibur to overwhelm the altered Holy Sword.
Arthur is finally here it seems. So this is move Merlin was going for.
>Go directly to the smoking Einzbern Castle. Send the Divine Servants with you back home.
Boring but smart option.
>Check out the direction that the dragon roar came from.
Against Fafnir.

First option is really tempting. Iskandar and Saber Alter are both high priority targets.

>>4735955
Go for it if it makes you feel better.

So. Anyone think God's walkthrough applies to instantly going to the Castle, or can we detour? If we have time I feel like we can quickly take out Fafnir to keep it from coming up behind Team Castle.

>>4735959
God told us to ignore our former allies twisted by Manaka except for Medusa, and to defeat Orochi's forces as well as those who oppose him. He said nothing about ignoring everything else. This decision is up to us.

Finally, ENTER, APEX

>>4735956
Chadthur solos Fafnir. Giant Beast Hunting gg

We probably want to kill Orochi asap. If he dies his servants are cut off from mana and we can go around and collect. Ilya got a sticker right? Or did Alcides? We should check up and ensure he's already engaging the Orochi before we head in lest we just get molested by wormpa.

If Chadthur is fighting against Manaka's BLACKED Seibah then he's not opposing Orochi currently, so God's guide would say ignore that entirely.

Fafnir seems like bait, I'd rather go after worms.

But I am about to sleep so I probably won't have time for a voot if we're still discussing

>>4735961
So unless anyone can find something wrong with this I'm probably go gonna

>contact Alcides either directly or through Ilya, ensure he is currently physically engaging snek or will engage very soon.
>drop off Divines to help in the struggle away from the castle
>engage the snake

>>4735963
I don't think we should micromanage everyone like that all the time. Sticker is for emergencies only.

>>4735959
>>4735960
>>4735961
>>4735963
Going for first the option or the second one means that we will be required to confront the other group too afterwards to prevent either side from gaining ground and we do need to defeat them. It seems to be aligning with idea about opposing third parties too. Or preventing somebody from reaching Grail or snatching more Servants to Alter.
Nothing much to say about third option. We just need to kill Orochi fast.
And fourth is interesting because we are currently having full authority over Dragons and best party to deal with somebody like Fafnir. We could get some dragon blood out of it too.

>>4735965
I only want to make sure he's there so we don't rock up and get caught without our lynchpin

Reposting God's Walkthrough:

>"I do not seek a self-sacrificing savior. You, who have good reason not to care for anything in this world, are still one of its greatest defenders. You, who could have become an existence greater than a Beast if you were lost to the despair of your new existence, clung to the light. You do not care for the world, but you have shown the capacity to care. The capacity to love and truly understand emotions. You aren't like the Outer Ones, beings of incomprehensible motive without such a capacity to feel any form of emotions. You are fundamentally a human, despite everything. It is in human nature to be selfish." God decides to reveal his intentions for you as some sort of... bonus answer, you suppose. "Now, on to your actual question, and I'm afraid that I cannot answer it fully, to ask the complete path that you must take would require you to be directly granted my wisdom, something you have specifically requested not to be given." God looks you in the eyes directly, as if staring into your soul. "However, I can at least answer that a path of true happiness for all those that you hold dear does exist, but you must act quickly. You must not allow yourself to be distracted by the actions of your allies who have been twisted to serve Manaka with exception to Medusa, who is still clinging on to the last remnants of her previous self, upon saving her. You must go on to defeat the forces of Yamata-no-Orochi, as well as those who oppose him. Then, before your final confrontation with Manaka Sajyou, you must discover a way to reverse the effects of the curses of the mud of the Holy Grail upon Heroic Spirits, from there, you'll know what to do. That's what I will reveal to you."

And a giant fuck you Merlin, you fucking fucker.

5 bucks that female merlin is somewhere fucking some shotas while watching this
>inb4 it was her that was blocking our vision

If Fafnir is around though, is Siegfried still around? He should've honed in on it and went straight to it.

>>4735967
Actually you're right. We might be able to make Fafnir simp to us/ Alitheia and then have two dragon buses. I don't know if we want Fafnir's blood, it's sentient and cursed with greedaids

>>4735968
Trust in our allies. Trust in the plan. Alcides is not an idiot. Mordred is in command there. We should not distract them with trivial things like that. They'll notify us if something comes up.

>>4735974
We'll have Alitheia's blood at some point, why would we want the blood of a gay German with aids?

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Pick carefully, everyone.
As this is a big vote with big consequences, calling in an hour.

what should we do as teh plan again? i'm quite drunk and its somewhat hard to read english as such.
I vote for the plan we voted before >>4735977
is right, if anything our allies wil call us and God told us to not get distracted by the nigger servants

>>4735972
Fafnir is alive within the blood stained into his skin, Orochi likely made him put on his scalie cosplay by empowering the blood to eclipse sumanai and manifest as Fafnir

WhatIs, which direction is the Dragon roar coming from in relation to the castle?

I'm thinking we should either go scout out Arthur's party or MAYBE Fafnir. The plan was to see the battlefield first and then determine what's the best place to intervene. Charging at Manaka's Alters is most definitely a mistake, and I don't see a pressing reason to go to the castle immediately.

>>4735979
We didn't call SHIKI after all, did we?

So, we need to test mud reversal and getting some test subjects would be a good idea and we have an opening for it.
And I am not sure letting second group doing whatever they want is a good idea. And if we confront them after we subjugate Alter group, we can easy win them over with Iskandar.
I trust Mordred here too. They will call us if they will require more help.
Fafnir will be useful and not stopping him might lead to collateral damage. But we have a lot of heroic spirit around and at least one of them will likely show up to slay that dragon.

>>4735985
nvm I reread the update, the dragon is in a different direction to the castle.

seeing as the scuffle is below us why not drop the divines off right here so they can help and then go straight to orochi?

4 tail Tamamo shouldn't be that squishy. Medea can teleport herself back to the base and stay on mental link giving updates on any energy signature changes on the map, including any lights going out from deaths

>>4735986
>Charging at Manaka's Alters is most definitely a mistake
>by the actions of your allies who have been twisted to serve Manaka
We were never allies with Team Mud. It is Bazett, Cu and Monica we need to avoid for now.

If we posit that Merlin wants to herd us towards specific actions, we can say he probably doesnt want us to be bogged down by Alters for some reason, as a Excal stopped Excal Morgan. Now whether following his plan is a good idea? Maybe?

>>4735990
Yeah, yeah, I'm not saying it's a mistake because of the walkthrough. I said the decision is up to us. I'm saying it's a mistake because it's six servants buffed from cursemud and we do not have our full team with us. It's going to be a tough fight for no reason, and we might even end up getting caught in the middle between them and Arthur's group.

>>4735991
I don't know. That's why I would suggest going to scout out his group and see if we can let him handle Manaka's servants while we go after more important things.

This battle is basically just four keikakumasters trying to out troll the others.
I think we should go for the alters.
>>4735986
SHIKI would've called if Gil was doing something new I think.

>>4735992
Wait which group is which?
Are there four or six alters?
I fucking hate Merlin.

>>4735991
>>4735992
>>4735994
Merlin is likely want to make sure we avoid stopping whatever he is planning and fail to meet his group and Arthur. This would explain all that anti-scrying.
We can use meta knowledge very effectively here for diplomacy.
And we do have an option to get some members of home defense team to us if things go bad.

>>4735947
Go directly to the smoking Einzbern Castle. Send the Divine Servants with you back home

>>4735996
Should be six alters (all the 4th War servants sans Gil) vs four out of Merlin's/Waver's group, but it could be the other way around as well. We didn't see Gilles and Hassan in the temple, so Manaka might have decided not to summon them.

>>4735996
Four should be Alter group.
Saber Alter, Lancelot, Iskandar and Diarmuid.

Theory based purely on WhatIs' cryptic 1hour warning with Seibah BLACKED. We saw Excalibur blanco eclipse the Morgan blast. Maybe Salter will die here if we don't attend? We know Merlin saw us speak to Alaya. What if he also saw us speak to God, and has our roadmap memorised too?

He knows we're going to want to ignore Manaka's stuff here as per God's instructions so maybe he doesn't want us going there right now? Which means we should go because fuck Merlin

did we ever call waver
didnt we vote to call him?

>>4736005
As if he kills the alter squad here with APEX we have no way to figure out how to purify niggermud and can therefore not complete the prophecy

>>4736006
Yes, we also vooted to call SHIKI

>>4736005
i don't think he could see us with God
because its God
God would have noticed
probably

>>4736005
Thirdly, WhatIs asked in the last thread why we don't ask Manaka for help. God never said don't work with Manaka. She isn't an outer god

>>4736011
Dude, have you forgotten what she plans to do? He didn't mention her because it's unthinkable

>>4736011
i think he was being sarcastic.
well, left manaka may be cool, but not at the moment we need to kill orochi

>>4736013
I'm flexing my pre bed mental gymnastics please understand

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>As the lights dim your attention turns to the forests outside of the city. You see a huge shining light from the Einzbern Castle that overwhelms whatever other lights might be shining in the mansion. There is no light being emanated from the temple, looks like Manaka's bounded fields block that. There are a few more... anomalies though. There's a group of bright lights somewhere to the east of the Einzbern Mansion. A fair distance, a group of... six? There's another four lights to the far south of that group too, and another one that is seemingly traveling all by itself. Then there's a few more things that draw your attention elsewhere in the city, like the strange distortion on the map that makes it look more like a miniature black hole. Something sucking in light rather than giving any off. There's another bright light in the city, while not as great as the one representing Orochi, it's still the second brightest light on the map. Finally, there strangely seems to be two of the lights at the Fuyuki docks. What a helpful device this is!

>>4735947
>Go directly to the smoking Einzbern Castle. Send the Divine Servants with you back home.
>Have Medea radio in any changes in the positions or numbers of the energy dots after she teleports back to the command room

I gotta head so I'm just gonna send it. Only one person has voted so far

Do you think we can kill Merlin for good by having Saber stab him after activating Avalon?

>>4736022
Truth burn him or let Shiki kill him.

>>4735947
>Prepare to deal with the altered Servants, go after the party that Excalibur Morgan came from.
Gimme the asshole version of Saber

>>4735947
>Go after the other party, you want to find out who managed to use Excalibur to overwhelm the altered Holy Sword.

>>4736022
Feed the entire island of Avalon to Sakura

>>4736022
Merlin doesn't die like this. Only way is to have Medusa's Cybele inprison his mind.

>>4735947
>Go after the other party, you want to find out who managed to use Excalibur to overwhelm the altered Holy Sword.

>>4736022
dude is cursed to stay alive until the last human dies or something.
The better would to seal him with cybele or something else.

>>4735947
>>4736028
+1
Fuck it, lets try teaming up. We need to experiment on mudservants and dont want to be beam'd in the back by Merlin.

I think leaving Divines at home is a mistake. Maybe Morgan can tardwrangle Merlin if hes here.

>>4735947
>Prepare to deal with the altered Servants, go after the party that Excalibur Morgan came from.
Going for this. We should be able to crush them fast. And have better standing with the other group afterwards.
Danger of either Manaka or Merlin absorbing the other group in the ranks is quite high.
Gil should be useful for once and deal with that bad dragon. Since he will not ignore rampaging monster.
And I am skeptical that we can kill Orochi fast enough. Unless Alítheia just truth breath him away. That`s sounds to easy to be true.

As for why you didn't call SHIKI or Waver, you would've learned no new information from doing so, and would've just ended up wasting vital time.
If you must know...
Waver didn't answer and Gil is still walking through town with Ayaka at a somewhat leisurely pace compared to what he can actually manage, though he's heading towards the forest, obviously.

>>4735947
>Prepare to deal with the altered Servants, go after the party that Excalibur Morgan came from.

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Last 8 minutes before the call.

>>4736031
>We should be able to crush them fast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yyAgk9der4

>>4736032
As expected.

>>4735947
>Check out the direction that the dragon roar came from

I think the other beam might have been Wavers group. More specifically Grey using the lance.

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>>4736032
If you are feeling generous and giving spoilers right now: is getting her an option at all?
Hardly changes much for me at least in terms of planning but I would love to know if we are getting potential comical situation with two nearly identical Sabers or we would be able to do something about it in some way now or post-War.

I am blanking if there are any hints desu.

>>4736039
You've got access to both the Second True Magic, as well as potentially Rhongomyniad, you figure it out.
Or if you mean physically changing Saber Alter herself to that form, you'd need to give her the ability to change her form somehow.

>>4736037
>I think the other beam might have been Wavers group
That's a reason to go after them and finally get in contact with Waver, don't you think?

Good catch with Gray, I can't believe we thought of Arthur before we thought of her.

>>4736032
Aww their first date is a nice stroll through the forest while blasting EA at mongrels who dare look at his queen, cute.

>>4735947
>Prepare to deal with the altered Servants, go after the party that Excalibur Morgan came from.
Arthur would obviously destroy SAlter's party, his Excalibur Proto is EX level and can make SAlter's Excalibur look like a flashlight. We need to save Iskandar and Diarmud after all.

We should get a pet dragon or kill it. Shinji and Madea have that bonus against dragons. Plus their doighter is the queen so that battle should be easy manageable.

>>4736043
Thanks.

why cant we make copies of ourselves

>>4736043
Can Morgan give Medusa's 3 faces skill to other servants? Like Artoria, that has tons of variations?
I'm not too familiar with hero creation.

>>4736043
Post Grail War Rin and Shinji explore Adjacent Worlds?

>>4735947
+1 >>4736037
fuck this, 1 hour is too short

>>4736052
It's a possibility
>>4736051
Three Faces is one of those super unique skills that can't be copied over to other Servants.
It's basically a skill that represents Medusa's entire life, from innocent goddess to terrible monster, and her finally gaining control over it.

I remembrr Lalter being just normal Larturia being changed by the mud of the Grail while in her leader of the Wild Hunt mode (how was there mud of the Grail around her, is grailmud just common in Camelot era??)

>>4736032
to be fair, waver not responding would be a good guess to him being in a fight.

>>4736047
We don't need a pet dragon. We'll kill it later, it'll come to us. I think the most important thing right now is to link up with the only force that's potentially not hostile to us and make them realize we're potentially not hostile. Anything else is just asking for a bright beam up our us after we've expended effort beating up the Alters or the Dragon.

>>4736055
Based. New post Grail War activity added.

>>4736055
can we use morgan to transfer tiamat's monstrous strength

>>4736059
No that beam might be from Grey or male Arthur doesn't make sense to attack us. Secondly we are the best dragon wranglers in the group. Everyone else will have a herder time of it without blessings. So leaving it alone to come to us might cause more damage while we ignore it.

Can Morgan Hero Creation some blood from Alitheia into us , if shes copying Merlin? Its not from conception but its a fuckoff strong Truth dragon, and its also born from our own blood.

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Lancer Alter-Artoria is the best. She isn't even evil, just more serious and willing to do what's needed even if it's immoral.
Also, I can't stand regular Lancer Artoria after the Camelot singularity. Screw that fucking spear.

>>4736064
Merlin may be them, and they can't see we're on top of the giant dragon that suddenly appeared.

>Go to castle.
>>4736001
>>4736020 (Radio Operator Medea)

>Go for Alters
>>4736024
>>4736031
>>4736033
>>4736046

>Go for other group
>>4736025
>>4736028
>>4736030

>Dragon Roar
>>4736037
>>4736053

I guess you're going for the Altered Servants?

>>4736067
Isn't the Lion King going full Rhon not Lartoria tho?

>>4736071
>I guess you're going for the Altered Servants?
Apparently. Might have come to a different decision if we had more time.

>>4736074
Alright, before I start writing, who wants another 40 minutes or so of time to decide?
Yes or No, majority wins.
You have 10 minutes.

>>4736071
One of our personal goals was to uncorrupt Iskandar for Waver's sake. So its now or never. Arthur is going to vaporize them all if we don't do something.

>>4736071
1 hour is too little

Oh and
>"No, that's fine! Does this mean I get to take my... other form?" The little girl has a wide smile on her face as she asks for confirmation as to just whether or not she's going to be allowed to become a colossal dragon once again, and a quick nod from you causes her smile to widen even further.
I am starting to think she is a little bit more cunning than we consider her to be and she revels in a chance to test her powers.

>>4736076
No

>>4736076
Yes to time.

>>4736076
yes

>>4736079
You left your highly impressionable daughter with Sakura.

>>4736079
Good for her? If I could become a giant dragon I'd want to do it too.

Yes
.I womder if Zouken has kaledostar somehow. I don't think we've seen him since the teleport. Maybe he's trying to find the way to unlimited power.

>>4736076
No.

>>4736076
Yes

>>4736076
I'd say yes, but only because I'm hoping people change their minds. Don't know if it counts.

>>4736077
Our main objective is Orochi. We have no way to unblacken Iskandar or hold him prisoner until we do. Waver is probably in the group with Arthur or Gray and will not let them kill Iskandar. Iskandar is in no danger whatsoever here.

>>4736085
Kaleidostar is resting after we overtaxed it. I'm willing to bet on it.

>>4736085
it can just go explode if that happens.
it must have a command for self destruction

>>4736083
Thank you, Tiamat-sensei.

>>4736085
I will not be suprised if we see Magical Girl Olga Marie soon.

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>>4736072
Lartoria knows she could become the Lion King if she forgets her humanity and that scares her.
The grail mud stops that from happening altogether. I do feel bad for Lartoria in that case.
But it is hard to forget Crazy Rhongobongo, that really got on my nerves at the time.

I think we're still fused with Amethyst its just inactive/hibernating.

And aIso am not sure going down into the forest is a good isea if Morgan Excali came from there. Alitheia would get bogged down.

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>>4736076
OK you have 40 more minutes to decide on what you want to do.
Please use this additional time wisely.

>>4736076
No

Okay, as far as I know the mud of the Grail is itself a form of the Sea of Genesis of Tiamat, if degraded/coloured by wishes. Could Sakura-Tiamat amino geas/put them in timeout? They are already infused with it. Even if she didnt train for it...

>>4736102
Or just slurp the mud out of them as the source Mystery or something. Ribbon suck/absorption go?

Alright, here's why I think going after the Alters is a bad idea:

They are not weak. We have few allies with us. Even if we can defeat them it will not be an easy battle. We cannot afford the time or effort.

We have no reason to. Our objective is Orochi. We can not unblacken them. We can not imprison them. They are in no danger of permanent death. Waver will not allow Iskandar to die, and Manaka can almost certainly resummon them.

The unknown group is still at large. We risk getting flanked by them because Merlin is our enemy and Waver does not know we have a dragon daughter that we're riding into battle.

The original plan was to scout the battle and see if we can wrap it up quickly or ignore it entirely. I see no reason to believe we can wrap it up quickly, not if we dive head-first between two opposing teams and a dragon.

>>4736106
>We cannot unblacken them
Here's how: Medea can teleport.

>>4736102
If Sakura get a hold of them I think she should be able to wrestle control or stall them for Medea to use Rule Breaker. Tamamo can bombard them with curses to a great effect too.

>>4736106
so you think we should go to the castle/orochi?

>>4736106
>We can not unblacken them.
Truth, Sakura or just little stab with Rule Breaker for a time being.

>4736115
>>4736108
I don't see how that's relevant.
>>4736109
Do you think God would tell us to research a way to reverse the effects of the mud if it was that easy?
>>4736111
I think we should do literally anything else. I'm currently voting to try and reach Waver's group, but I can see the arguments against it if Merlin is determined to prevent contact. Going after the dragon or going after Orochi immediately are both preferable to going after the Alters.

>>4736115
You're assuming the other side is Waver's group and that Merlin is not the commander. And Medea + teleporting is relevant because she has rule breaker.

fuck this, i'm just going to let my vote as it was.
i need to sleep.

>>4736121
Yeah I'm not changing my vote either, the other guy is just grasping at straws and delaying the writing.

>>4736122
we better not bad end various times while i sleep.
fuck timezones

I think 2 things for certain. Leaving the Divine Servants behind is not a good idea, and bringing them to Orochi is not a good idea. In this case I guess we should...go after the Dragon? Normal Excalibur Arthur(?) (Gray?) Probably wants to see what the fuck made Excalibur Morgan and is going to stall them. So let us stall the dragon from running into our Orochi Team and maybe dominate it.

>>4736124
I'm just voting for going after the Alters because they are certain, we don't know who the opposing team is. For all we know Merlin convinced proto Arthur that we're a threat to humanity or some shit. Which is why my vote will not change.

>>4736118
>Do you think God would tell us to research a way to reverse the effects of the mud if it was that easy?
I have a lot faith in Truth and Tiamat.
It will not even be the most fundamental thing we done so far.

>>4735947
>>4736030
Changing to
>Check out the direction that the dragon roar came from

>>4736124
then vote for that

also i still stand for my retarded theory that proto merlin may be here

>>4736126
Shouldn't they have just let us be hit by ExcaliMorgan then?

>>4736129
The futamancer can be both desu.

>>4735947
Switching >>4736028 to
>Check out the direction that the dragon roar came from.

>>4736120
Waver has to be in that group. If Merlin is the commander, he's our enemy and will not miss the chance to attack us from behind while we're busy fighting the Alters. But I am not arguing for going after the other group, I am arguing against going to the alters. Medea, by herself, will get slaughtered if she tries to use Rule Breaker against four or six Alters. And it won't unblacken them, or God would not have told us we need to fight a way to do so.

>>4736122
Seriously dude? Why do you think WhatIs insisted we should think carefully about this?

>>4735947
>>4736025
Switching to >Prepare to deal with the altered Servants, go after the party that Excalibur Morgan came from.

>>4735947
>Prepare to deal with the altered Servants, go after the party that Excalibur Morgan came from.

>>4735947
>Check out the direction that the dragon roar came from.

WhatIs, if we were to try and truth heal Kirei before the war, would that make him a normal person?

>>4736139
Why would it make him a normal person?

>>4735947
>>Go after the other party, you want to find out who managed to use Excalibur to overwhelm the altered Holy Sword.

>>4736140
At least as far as having normal human emotions go for normal humans rather than his case.

>>4736142
He was born that way though.

>>4736146
Guess he was just born with a shit Origin or something? Or is it mundane being fucked up?

>>4736146
So Truth would not have fixed his birth defect?

>>4736146
was Zouken redemption arc possible?

>>4736147
His origin would've only affected him like that if it were actually awakened.
It was probably just a mental illness.

>>4736148
If Truth Healing fixed something "Doesn't think like me" Then it would be a very bad thing to try to heal anybody with.

>>4736149
I mean, theoretically, and it would've needed you to spend a lot more time with Illya.

>>4735947
Go for the castle. We can deal with the chaff after we’ve severed all heads of the snake and incinerated the body so no worms escape. And gained a free sword maybe.

>>4735947
>Go directly to the smoking Einzbern Castle. Send the Divine Servants with you back home.

>>4736146
we really need to ask God why he made kirei that way.
Hell, the dude tried has as fuck to have a normal life but it just didnt work for him.

>>4736150
Afaik Kiritsugu's Origin of Severing and Binding influenced/fucked up his relationships and efforts to help people even if it wasnt awakened. Awakening just raises it to the next level.

Lio also tried to eat the guy he killed before he got Awakened first.

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>>4736157
Abrahamic God always has pretty twisted morals. Especially in some extra materials.

>>4736157
trust the plan

>>4736161
Is Kirei Job 2.0, Lunatic edition? Where the dude doesnt just have his life wrecked, his life sucks from the start?

>>4736159
Yeah, but the point is that if you aren't awakened to your origin, you can still avoid it utterly controlling you.

>>4736098
Well, you got an extra hour and ten minutes instead because I got busy, hold on and let me tally the changes.

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>Go to castle.
>>4736001
>>4736020 (Radio Operator Medea)
>>4736154

>Go for Alters
>>4736024
>>4736031
>>4736033
>>4736046
>>4736135
>>4736136

>Go for other group
>>4736141


>Dragon Roar
>>4736037
>>4736053
>>4736128
>>4736132
>>4736137

After all that, going after the Altered Servants still won.

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So what's the order of importance for restoring the altered servants?
I assume Saber or Iskandar being the top.

>>4736165
I am meaning to say that general notion about YHWH/God/Allah and his two radical different portraits in Old Testament and New Testament and Quran are not all materials with his characterization. You are probably aware about Gnosticism and Catharism yourself. Then there also were Arianism who had another radically different outlook.
Not to mention that a lot of canon materials which made up most of Christian religion as it is now were discarded or added over the years. Most noticeable after council of Nicaea and with Great Schism.
We outright know less about which version of God we are interacting with than we know about Nyarlathotep.
Just something to consider.

>>4736173
Because autism anons pretended that they had better ideas. Its really confusing when people delay updates for vague reasons only to not even come up with a compelling alternative.

>>4736179
Iskandar and SAlter, then Diarmuid. I want Dia to have a good Master (us maybe?) for once.

Oh shit APEX is in?

>>4736182
Give him a duel with Saber, maybe one with Cú too, and tell him he can serve Mordred, and you have a 100% loyal knight.

i feel like this is a mistake.
but whatever, democracy sucks.

When the dragon rampages and injured/kills people it'll make it clear what we should have done.

I just hope it's not too big a mistake and we don't lose someone important over this.

You mentally command... or rather, suggest for Alítheia to go after the point at which the black wave of light originated from. With everyone you have with you right now, defeating whatever Altered Servants are down there should be possible. You've already defeated Lancelot, after all. Meaning that the biggest threats are Saber Alter and Iskandar Alter. Hundred Faces Alter is practically a non-issue, and Gilles Alter is an effortless kill for Tamamo or Medea. Diarmuid Alter is a potential threat, of course, but you have Alítheia on your side, and you're pretty certain that the girl could defeat an entire set of Servants all by herself! Well, potentially. Her scales seem to be completely impervious to any sort of attack, with only the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception being able to overwhelm the naturally defenses of her body, but you have no idea just what her upper limits are, nor do you know whether she'd be immune to attacks made on vital unguarded areas, like on her eyes or through her mouth.

If you were a Rider class Servant, then there is no doubt that Alítheia would easily count as something like an EX Rank Anti-World Noble Phantasm you could call to you, But that's definitely not a reason to get complacent over her abilities, or indeed over your own powers. Alítheia is tremendously powerful, but she is inexperienced. She is easy to lure and bait to practically anybody with any inclination to do so. She won't prioritize targets she could easily kill, and will instead focus on going after whoever has drawn her attention to her the most. She's basically got all the combat knowledge of a particularly badly programmed raid boss with overpowered instant kill techniques that are highly telegraphed.

Before you actually get close enough to the Servants on the ground, you start to think of potential approaches. Right now, it's unlikely any of them are currently aware of your presence even if Alítheia is a very obvious give-away. They shouldn't have reason to look to the sky just yet, and even less so considering they are in dense forest, and the skies should be obscured by the branches and leaves anyway. The Excaliblast earlier wasn't targeted against you, after all, and you're far enough up in the sky that they'd probably need to be looking out for you to actually catch sight of you. Normally, this would be a problem for yourself and Shiki due to the lack of air, but Medea seems to have already taken care of that problem, you don't know when she did it, but she seems to have done so. Sakura meanwhile doesn't seem to be having any difficulties breathing at all. Must be a result of her having Tiamat inside of her now.

With the fact that you're likely still undetected in mind, you begin to think of potential strategies of going against the altered Servants. First off, you could go for the most obvious approach. Guns blazing downward dive with Alítheia, finish off the survivors with Rulebreaker and capture them if the evil staining them doesn't immediately disappear thanks to being hit with Rulebreaker.

Then you could go for a stealthier approach. Have Medea see if she can't use her magic to cloak the area around Alítheia so as to make her appear invisible, then land on top of the Altered Servants with her in a far more targeted sneak attack.

A third idea comes to you as well, you still have the Shroud of Matthias, Medea can turn herself invisible, and Shuten has Presence Concealment. You could dive downwards off of Alítheia and attempt a smaller sneak attack on whatever altered Servants are down there. While it would be pointless to attempt such a thing on Saber Alter thanks to her Instinct, it would likely be possible to pierce any of the other Servants with the Noble Phantasm of contract severing with a surprise attack, and that will immediately take them out of the fight by breaking the hold Manaka has over them.

>Go in all guns blazing. Overwhelm the Altered Servants and use Rulebreaker on the survivors.
>Go in with Alítheia cloaked by magic. That way you can properly choose how to attack when you know what you're up against.
>Go on a stealth mission with Medea and Shuten.
>Write-in plan...

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>>4736200
>Must be a result of her having Tiamat inside of her now.
Before I posted the update, this read as "Tamamo inside of her now" I just caught it as I was posting, but it would've been a hilarious error, so I wanted to share it.

>>4736201
Go on a stealth mission with Medea and Shuten

>>4736201
>Go on a stealth mission with Medea and Shuten.

This is my first instinct as Deermud in a forest with no scruples can be nightmarish guerilla fighter iirc. Hit him first.

>>4736201
>>Go on a stealth mission with Medea and Shuten.
Since anons keep insisting to be quick about everything, we'll just grab Iskandar and Dia for now. SAlter would be saved by Manaka if things get too hairy since she cares about the fem version of Arthur.

>>4736201
>Go in with Alítheia cloaked by magic. That way you can properly choose how to attack when you know what you're up against.

We need info, don't get overconfident. Blitzing them might lose people we don't wish to kill like Rider. The shroud isn't good enough because it doesn't erase smell.

>>4736201
>Go on a stealth mission with Medea and Shuten.
Magic Gear Solid

Guys your forgetting Light, and Mordred can detect the shroud if your close enough. Do you think Saber Alter will be any different?

>Eye of the Mind (True)
>Knight`s Strategy
>Instinct
>Tactics
Are you guys sure about sneaking?
We have bigger advantage in the air and most of them can take a punch or two.

>>4736216
Yeah

>>4736217
Make a compelling vote then?

>>4736201
>Go in with Alítheia cloaked by magic. That way you can properly choose how to attack when you know what you're up against.

>>4736201
>Go in with Alítheia cloaked by magic. That way you can properly choose how to attack when you know what you're up against.

>>4736201
>>Go in with Alítheia cloaked by magic. That way you can properly choose how to attack when you know what you're up against.
Switching to this, thought it would be funny for dragon daughter to sit on the scary alter servants.

>>4736201
>>Go in with Alítheia cloaked by magic. That way you can properly choose how to attack when you know what you're up against.

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Calling in 35.

>>4736201
>Go in with Alítheia cloaked by magic. That way you can properly choose how to attack when you know what you're up against.
>>4736224
I was asking because I could have forgotten some important details about situation.
Personally I think it is unwise to go into melee with so many melee oriented Servants but I could imagine a situation where we just grab Iskandar with a sneak attack too.

Look at all these samefags

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>>4736245
Batman please don't start calling people samefags.

>>4736245
Are they one post ids I'm not sure how to check that. In just thinking people saw our points that melee is a bad idea. Especially with the many ways the alter servants can detect Shinji even with the shroud.

>>4736253
Even if they were one post IDs, the thread is only 4 and a half hours old.

>>4736249
Yeah I thought it was batman too, he usually makes coomer votes and says one or three words at most. Very odd fellow.

>>4736201
>Go in all guns blazing. Overwhelm the Altered Servants and use Rulebreaker on the survivors.

>>4736258
Is a kiss considered a coomer vote?
>>4736249
Good afternoon

>>4736201
>>Go in with Alítheia cloaked by magic. That way you can properly choose how to attack when you know what you're up against.

So at what rank that Presence Concealment was?

>>4736201
>Go in with Alítheia cloaked by magic. That way you can properly choose how to attack when you know what you're up against.
Remember that we need one alive and restrained so we can learn how to purge mud.

>>4736201
>Go in with Alítheia cloaked by magic. That way you can properly choose how to attack when you know what you're up against.

>>4736201
>Go in with Alítheia cloaked by magic. That way you can properly choose how to attack when you know what you're up against.

The group of six was standing in the middle of the forest. The group of four attacked them. I'd assumed the six where the Alters, but if it's the other way around then Merlin's/Waver's group was deliberately standing in place to intercept them. Maybe Merlin is not our enemy after all?

>>4736284
Him fighting the Alter's doesn't make him our ally, and even it did he's a terrible guy to have on your side.

>>4736296
>turning him into Morgan's new garden gnome.
>99/100
Time for Morgan to give us that thumbs up.

>>4736300
with how things are going, i wouldn't be surprised if Perseus and Raikou were summoned and we get a true grudge match

>>4736149
Worm grandpa enjoying happy family time with his grandkids arc when?

>>4736201
>Cloaked dragon

>>4736265
Yes kiss in that situation was an obvious move from coomers and haremfriends

>>4736201
>Go in with Alítheia cloaked by magic. That way you can properly choose how to attack when you know what you're up against

>>4736303
>While she does mention that in any case, she saw him as a "mere mosquito" at the time, and that she does not feel any sympathy for him, Medusa does give him credit;
>"Personally, there is no way I could bring myself to like him. Nevertheless, he did become a fine character afterwards."
>However right after she said this, when Shirou asks what Perseus was like, she insults him by calling him a "successful Shinji."

>>4736311
>In Fate/Grand Order Material, Medusa has a line about Perseus - "If he comes I'll kill him."

>>4736311
>"successful Shinji."
That doesn't seem like much of an insult now that we've seen what that looks like.

>>4736315
that's the funny part

>>4736315
>>4736319
Perseus isn't a bad person at all, Fate painted him as another victim of the God's meddling, he's a very loyal person, his wish in Prototype was to resurrect his Master and again, he did kill the Gorgon for altruistic reasons

>>4736328
Yeah, the only reason she compared him to Shinji is that she's still mad at Perseus and wanted to compare him to something pathetic.

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>>4736328
Yeah, but he still killed her. She was likely projecting with the other guy she hated at the time.
It would be interesting to see them talk to eachother, now that Medusa isn't a mindless beast.

"Medea. Can you use your magecraft to cloak Alítheia completely? I want to get a little closer, and I'm worried they'll be able to see us! You should be able to hide Sakura from view if she's not an active target of the spell, right?" You ask the woman behind you, with any luck, Sakura's Magic Nullification won't get in the way for even something like this. You want to know just what you're up against before you decide to get involved. After all, you could very well be about to jump into a group of maybe six hostile Servants, and that's not a good idea, even when you've got somebody like Alítheia in her dragon form on your side.

"I can, yes. Though Alítheia is large enough that the invisibility I cast upon her won't be enough to fool an enemy for very long. It will prevent her magical energy from leaking out, and will also erase her visual presence her ability to create noise directly, but there will be occasional distortions in space around her as a result of the spell having to accommodate such a large area. As for Sakura... I can cloak her as well, so long as the spell doesn't directly affect her body, it shouldn't be impossible for me to create a visual interference spell around her that simply acts as a portal that allows light to pass through it, creating the illusion of invisibility for her by causing anybody who looks at her to instead see the area behind her instead, though I'll need to remain concentrated on her so as to keep the spell active." Medea reveals her magical skills are as incredible as you already knew they were. Multiple different methods in order to achieve an effect like invisibility, what a reliable woman that Caster is.

"Fantastic, I'm going to need you to start working on that then. Oh, and make sure it applies to Rin as well! Everyone else, start preparing for a fight! Remember, if you can, go for non-lethal strikes! And Servants that are incapacitated can be captured and turned to our side!" You remind your allies to not go for fatal attacks if they can help it. You'd like to be able to at least experiment on a method to reverse the process of a Servant being altered by grail mud, and capturing one of the altered Servants here will be the best way to go about it.

"Nngh, not even a little fatal?" A certain oni sitting behind Medea lets her disappointment at not being given the go-ahead to kill her enemies be known, and while you can understand that she is the sort of girl to much prefer to go for a fatal approach, you can't really approve of something like that right now.

"Well, if one of them is a pale looking Caster with a book, then I give you the go-ahead to pull out his skeleton or drink him or whatever you decide you want to do with him. Just make sure that it's painful" Seriously, screw Gilles. He deserves a painful end, and merely being wiped off the face of the planet by Excalibur really isn't enough. Somebody like him deserves to spend every moment of their end in torturous agony as they wait for the sweet release of death.

"Sounds good to me." Shuten sounds happy to have been given at least some permission to go wild on one of her opponents. Really, you need to remember sometimes that Shuten is an Oni, and is quite prone to enjoying bloodshed and excessive violence, almost as much as she enjoys alcohol. You're kind of hoping that Gilles is around, just so you can see Shuten tear him to shreds. The only worry is that book of his, but thankfully, he's nowhere near intelligent or skilled with magecraft to properly utilize it. It's only a threat if somebody like Prelati managed to take it back from him.

You suddenly hear Medea shout something in ancient Greek as she thrusts her staff into the air, and a strange shimmering light comes over you all, with the exception of Sakura, who simply turns completely invisible. "It's done, Master, so I suggest you go ahead and take Alítheia down to confront our opponents, this is quite a drain on my magical energy reserves, and it will soon be a drain on yours as well." Medea reveals that the spell she's using is actually quite costly. Then again, she's hiding an entire mansion sized dragon, so it's not like it could possibly be cheap to maintain.

I'm looking through Perseus's page, he may very well be summoned but we'd have no way to know. Hades' invisibility helmet blocks out being detected through magical means, he’s pretty much a ghost unless we actually see him out in the open

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"Alright, thanks Medea, you're the best!" You give the woman some encouragement before you begin to suggest your next moves to Alítheia. You're glad that she gave you this blessing, otherwise communicating with her while you're atop her back would be practically impossible. Still, she receives the request to come down to the ground slowly as not to alert the Servants well enough, though what is slightly more difficult is finding a location she can land without crushing a great deal of trees, thankfully, the huge path of destruction caused by the two Excaliburs clashing with one another has left her ample room to come down to the floor almost without disturbing anything at all! In fact, she manages it in such a way that she actually lands behind the four figures walking across the scar in the landscape. You quickly take note of their appearances, Saber Alter, wearing her armored dress and visor. Diarmuid Alter, still wrapped in sealing cloth as to hide himself from the world. Iskandar Alter, who... looks a lot more streamlined than he did before being altered, and finally... wait a minute! Lancelot?! You already killed him! Damn it. Looks like Manaka really can bring her defeated Servants back to life... This means that killing them is almost completely pointless, you'll need to either convert them to your side, or have their souls destroyed in such a way that returning to the throne is impossible for them. Shiki and Sakura should both be able to manage that though, and it might just be possible to use a truth to accomplish something like that as well. There's no sign of Gilles Alter or Hassan Alter, meaning they either haven't been summoned, or are elsewhere. No sign of an altered version of Gilgamesh either, thank god for his ridiculous ego. You imagine even if Manaka attempted to create a copy of Gilgamesh based on whatever record the grail might have of him, he'd still rebel against her commands.

Still, with the four currently unaware that you are behind them, this gives you the perfect opportunity to go for a sneak attack! But... how?

>Have Alítheia obliterate one or two of the enemy Servants with her breath. (Which ones?)
>Have Medea teleport Rulebreaker one of the altered Servants, then attack in the confusion. (Which one?)
>Try for a sneak attack with Shuten and Medea.
>Ask Tamamo if she'd like a chance to prove just how powerful she is.
>Write-in...

>>4736340
>Have Medea teleport Rulebreaker one of the altered Servants, then attack in the confusion. (Which one?): Iskandar

As far as I know he doesn't have a way to sense an attack.

>Ask Tamamo if she'd like a chance to prove just how powerful she is.

>Write-in: Ask Sakura to wrap Saber Alter.

I'm hopping the ribbons can stall/ capture her.

>>4736340
>>Have Medea teleport Rulebreaker one of the altered Servants, then attack in the confusion. (Which one?)
Iskandar Alter, Saber Alter and Diarmuid would likely be able to sense it coming and dodge, Iskandar won't, also I'm afraid of his RM which is a GG unless you're Gil or have a RM yourself.

>>4736340
>Have Alítheia obliterate one or two of the enemy Servants with her breath. (Which ones?)
Saber. She's the biggest threat.
>Have Medea teleport Rulebreaker one of the altered Servants, then attack in the confusion. (Which one?)
Iskandar. He's the only one we need to capture here.
>Ask Tamamo if she'd like a chance to prove just how powerful she is.
>Tell Shuten we actually don't need Lancelot and Diarmuid alive
Smash and grab, overwhelming firepower. We'll get another chance for Saber, Lancelot and Diarmuid now that we've confirmed Manaka can bring them back. We just need Iskandar to experiment on.

>>4736340
>Shuten sneaks on Diarmuid and give us mental signal after she is ready
>Alítheia fires at Lancelot right after
>Tamamo bombard Saber Alter with curses to grab her attention
>Shinji, Sakura and Medea go after Iskandar Alter after battle starts (Teleportation, Binding and Rule Breaker)
>Rin goes to support the ones who need help the most, otherwise she picks the target she thinks is best
>Shiki stays on his guard near Alítheia in case Hassan is around here too

>>4736350
>>4736348
>>4736340
Switching to this

>>4736348
Support

>>4736340
Whatever plan we go with, we should have someone on Assassin watch. Just because we can't see Assassin Alter anywhere, doesn't mean he's not using presence concealment to hide nearby waiting to gank people who make plans assuming he's not hiding nearby waiting to gank people.

>>4736340
Calling in 45 minutes.

>>4736340
>>4736348
Support

We need to keep in mind that Shuten is the only one who can tank Diarmuid`s spears.

>>4736355
We should take Saber just for psychological warfare on Manaka. So destroy lancelot he is actually better then Saber in pure combat.

>>4736369
Taking Saber Alter takes most of her firepower, she won't have someone who can just spam Excalibur blasts now, but that might put her in a corner and get Gilles to summon Cthulu or whatever the fucn he uses

>>4736369
It's not her Arthur, I don't see her caring all that much. And this Saber can spam Excalibur, at this range we're gonna have a bad time. I'd rather we don't get too greedy here.

>>4736369
The problem is, Saber Alter should still have Instinct and if she does, it will straight up fuck the surprise attack to capture her.

>>4736375
how would alan even react to that i wonder

>>4736377
Her instinct is degraded

>>4736380
B Rank is still high enough to make me worry.

>>4736376
She cared enough when we stormed the temple. She was doing a tea party and let our Saber request Shiro back. Also Saber Alter may have sword blasts but doesn't lancelot have his own. I think the only reason he doesn't use it is he's guilty if I remember correctly.

>>4736379
>"Adults are playing, go back to sleep."

>>4736391
Alright, if you add Alitheia obliterating Lancelot and Shuten killing Diarmuid to your plan I'll support it. What's important for me is to thin the herd asap.

>>4736391
this >>4736398
We need to clear some of these guys out

What about servant souls being siphoned into one of the girls?

>>4736405
Lancelot's soul didn't. Manaka's servants return to her.

>>4736405
All Alters go back to Manaka unless killed really hard.

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10 minutes left.

>>4736405
Lancelot died and was brought back, Manaka can bring back servants whenever, I think even if we steal servants from her she'll summon more, we basically have to cut the head off of the beast

>>4736340
Switching >>4736355 to
>Have Alítheia obliterate one or two of the enemy Servants with her breath. (Which ones?)
Lancelot
>Have Medea teleport Rulebreaker one of the altered Servants, then attack in the confusion. (Which one?)
Iskandar.
>Ask Tamamo if she'd like a chance to prove just how powerful she is.
>Tell Shuten we actually don't need Diarmuid alive.
>Write-in: Ask Sakura to wrap Saber Alter.

>>4736340
supporting >>4736348

>>4736412
+1

>>4736412
Support. Also I am not a samefag just been really busy today and didn’t see the thread.

>>4736340
Switchting from >>4736356
to >>4736348 and >>4736398 and >>4736412 this variation of plan

>>4736419
QM said it's fine when Batman started screeching again. Don't worry.

>>4736340
>>4736412
this

>>4736340
Switching to >>4736412
From >>4736348

>>4736412
This >>4736367 to this >>4736412

If somebody could quickly tally the votes for me, that would be nice, otherwise I'll tally them in 10 minutes.
Still kinda busy.

>>4736428
>>4736340
I can't even link posts correctly...

>>4736430
It is fine we all mess up.

>>4736429
This >>4736412 won

>>4736429
>Alitheia obliterates Lancelot, Medea RBs Iskandar, Tamamo proves her worth, Shuten kills Diarmuid, Sakura wraps Saber Alter
>>4736412
>>4736417
>>4736419
>>4736421
>>4736425
>>4736427
>>4736428

>Medea RBs Iskandar, Tamamo proves her worth, Sakura wraps Saber Alter
>>4736363
>>4736364
>>4736416

I don't think I missed anyone.

>>4736391
I just realised, if Manaka really does care about Saber Alter that much, then psychological warfare is not the best use for her: We can set up a hostage exchange, Saber for Monica, Bazett and Cu. It would be the perfect way to get our friend and allies back.

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>>4736447
>"Please, do not return me to those creeps."

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>>4736452
Sorry, but someone else comes first.

"OK, everyone. Here's the plan. I'll be quick. First, Alítheia on my signal, I want you to use your breath weapon to erase that man wearing the black armor, bob your head once if you understand me." The dragon you're sitting on does just that, showing that she can very much understand just what you want her to do. Excellent. "Good girl." You praise your daughter's understanding. Lancelot is definitely the most dangerous enemy here just by default, where Saber and Iskandar will both need to use their Noble Phantasms in order to be huge threats by themselves. Meaning that Lancelot needs to be wiped out immediately without delay. "At the same time as Alítheia attacks Lancelot, Medea, I want you to use your teleportation magic in order to teleport behind Rider... Iskandar... the red haired one, and stab him in the back with Rule Breaker to sever his contract with Manaka. He's the only one who doesn't have incredible personal combat skills." If Medea tried the teleport trick on any of the other three, the odds she'd get gutted before landing the strike are tremendously high.

"As you wish, Master. That Rider won't even know what hits him." Medea has a uncharacteristically confident smile on her face. She does seem to be confident about things as they are right now, though you can understand her confidence. With Alítheia here, defeat will be pretty difficult to stumble into. Especially when you know the basic capabilities of the four Servants you're about to attack. You're a little bit worried about the potential presence of Assassin somewhere, but it's no big deal, Hundred Faced Hassan is a pretty useless Assassin against targets that are actually powerful in their own right.

"Anyway, onto the next part of my plan, Tamamo, would you like to prove just how powerful you actually are? Your curses could prove to be invaluable in this fight, after all." If any of the other steps fail, Tamamo is an excellent ace in the hole, a trump-card that can overwhelm your opponents through an incredible amount of powerful curses that not even Magic Resistance can defend against.

"I suppose that it is about time I got to show you what a real goddess can do, future husband." Well, you're already basically aware of just where her capabilities lie, considering the field of curses she could cast nearly instantaneously while in her own territory. It's safe to say that outside of her own territory that power will have probably decreased a small amount, but she's still very powerful. You should probably have asked her to share her full capabilities with you, but you suppose that you don't really need to know just what she's capable of doing. You already have a basic idea of her strength, and with this many tails, she's supposedly very powerful indeed.

You try to ignore Sakura flinching a little at Tamamo's chosen way of referring to you, and move on to the next stage of your plan. The Altered Servants thankfully aren't in any hurry, leisurely walking towards the area in which the Excalibur that blocked Excalibur Morgan came from, really, it almost seems like it could be a trap. But you try to remove that thought from your head. "Shuten, I'm going to need you to try to sneak up on the bandaged spearman, and when you get close... well, feel free to pull out his skeleton or tear his head off. Whatever you feel like would work better. These Servants... aren't going to stay dead, so it's worth just killing those who are lower priority targets to bring over to our side." While you do want to give Diarmuid and even Lancelot some semblance of a happy ending, right now, Iskandar and Saber Alter take priority in saving.

"Wonderful~ ufufufu~" Shuten is... very happy at being given permission to slaughter one of the enemy Servants, you hope that she doesn't get herself carried away here, she really can't afford to do something like that, even if Diarmuid against Shuten is a very very unbalanced fight in her favor, getting careless against him is a good way to get yourself stabbed in the heart with a cursed spear... Then again, good luck killing Shuten with a damn spear. Even if she gets stabbed in the heart she... won't really care. Shuten is totally the wrong Servant for somebody like Diarmuid to be fighting, as anything he can do is very simple for her to shrug off, and she won't have much difficulty in killing him at all.

"Finally, Sakura... When everyone else does their own thing, I want you to wrap Saber Alter in those ribbons you're capable of manifesting." When empowered by the concept of nullification and potentially Tiamat's qualities of holding dominion over any life born of earth, it shouldn't be possible for anything to break them! "Saber Alter is a priority for us to take control of. I want to know just what sort of connection she has to the other Saber." You've been curious for a while now, and want to find out, preferably from her own mouth, as to what's the story with her.

"OK, Onii-chan! Leave it to me!" Sakura looks happy to be given something to do, and already you feel her beginning to manifest the ribbons. Everyone gets off of Alítheia's back at this point, and you look at your last ally as everyone else starts to get into position. Shuten concealing her presence as she begins to stalk up to Lancer.

"Shiki, you'll stay with me, we need to keep an eye out for any additional threats that might show up." You feel a sense of foreboding that this is all going... too smoothly. There's something wrong with all this, you can just... feel it. Shiki just nods at you in response, and you hold your breath as you wait for Shuten to give you the signal that she's in place.

'I'm ready to remove this bandaged fool's bones, Master. It will be quite the show, if you want to watch.' The Assassin seems to blow a kiss through the mental link, and you try to ignore it as you look over to Sakura, who nods at you.

You take a deep breath. Everyone is about ready to get started, and the altered Servants are still none the wise. "OK, everyone... Now." You give the order, and all hell breaks loose in that single moment. Alítheia unleashes a hellish torrent of Truth at Lancelot, who turns about just in time to be erased almost entirely by the stream of death. Even his supposedly unbreakable sword melts away into nothingness just as quickly as the rest of his body does, and all that remains of the powerful Berserker are a pair of armored boots which quickly fade away. At the same time, dozens of curses that spark up with electrical energy like a localized lightning storm disorient your foes as Medea appears directly behind the altered King of Conquerors.

Rule Breaker! Medea shouts out just as she's about to plunge the dagger into the back of the man, but just as the tip of her blade is about to pierce his back, Saber Alter makes her move jumping towards Caster and her ally, understanding that she won't be able to reach Medea with her sword, unleashes a torrent of magical energy at her instead, putting forth a massive amount of magical energy through her Mana Burst skill and blowing Medea away! Though at the moment she does that, two ribbons spring up from the floor!

Saber Alter is quick to react to these as well! Bringing her sword down in an arc, she slashes through the first ribbon, but loses a massive amount of her momentum in doing so! So much, in fact, that the second ribbon starts to wrap around Excalibur Morgan! Saber Alter quickly lands on the floor, preoccupied with trying to loosen her sword from the ribbon that she doesn't even respond as a third ribbon manages to ensnare her legs and begins to crawl up her body! Did she prefer to choose certain defeat rather than letting go of her sword? Then again, you suppose that you can understand, losing Excalibur Morgan to her enemy would've ensured her defeat anyway.

The powerful altered Servant is brought to the ground as the two ribbons start to encroach around her body, cocooning her. Saber Alter's Instincts may have prevented her from making such an error if they weren't so clouded by rage, even so, she still managed to almost single-handedly foil your plans.

Speaking of, the Servant that she prevented from being having their Servant shattered has finally recovered, and a great deal of magical energy is being exuded by Iskandar! Damn it! He's about to activate his Reality Marble! You look over to your allies, Medea is wounded pretty badly, but she's not in any danger of dying. Shuten is... standing over a discarded skeleton and a pile of flesh that both dissipate almost at the moment you lay eyes on the frustrated looking Assassin. You... only really feel bad for Diarmuid. Ah well, he'll be back. Sakura is otherwise distracted with keeping Saber Alter from breaking out of her binds. Your only real ways to try to stop Iskandar from using his Reality Marble lie in Tamamo, Alítheia or Shuten! Wait! Rin has yet to take action! She might just be capable of intercepting Iskandar in time!

>"Tamamo! Stop Rider!"
>"Shuten! Stop Rider!"
>"Rin! Stop Rider!"
>"Alítheia! Kill Rider!"
>Write-in...

>>4736499
Rin! Stop Rider!"

>>4736499
>>"Rin! Stop Rider!"
Rin should absolutely be on top of this. Also I feel bad about Diarmuid, we should make it up to him when we save him

>>4736499
>"Rin! Stop Rider!"
With luck, rin might even be able to slice out of his reality marble, or stop him from even being able to use it

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>>4736499
>Rin! Stop Rider!"
She ain't doing nothing.
>>4736502
So do I. Poor guy can't catch a break. I really hope he respawns before we kill Manaka.
Maybe if he were Saber he wouldn't be so unlucky.

>>4736499
>>"Rin! Stop Rider!"

>>4736499
>"Rin! Stop Rider!"

Do we even have a way to capture Iskandar with Sakura busy and Medea out?

>>4736499
>Rin! Stop Rider!"

>>4736499
>"Rin! Stop Rider!"
Shame we can`t Countermagic - Deny it ourselves.
And Saber`s Instinct is really strong.

>>4736505
He's gonna need to be an incarnated knight for Mordred after this, I feel like he'll enjoy himself having a second chance to serve a king and do what he wants

>>4736512
We can heal Medea and Sakura can grab more than one person at a time.

>>4736499
>"Rin! Stop Rider!"

Fucking Saber why you gotta be so OP!

Got me sitting in the corner for not seeing that wrinkle in the plan.

>>4736512
Just have Rin or Shuten restrain him, until Medea can do it again.

>>4736512
Truth bubble can be used until Madea can get up.

>>4736518
It's not often that Saber uses her MB for something other than zooming around.

>>4736518
>Got me sitting in the corner for not seeing that wrinkle in the plan.
I mean, to be completely fair I brought it up and got told
>Her instinct is degraded

So are we gifting Saber Alter to Medea now?

>>4736499
>"Rin! Stop Rider!"

We are never risking Medea in such a maneuver ever again.

>>4736518
I have a feeling that Saber would have dodged the ribbons or killed Medea outright if we'd done one but not the other. I did say we should obliterate her first, but things could be worse.

>>4736525
We did our best, it would've went the same if we tried Rule Breaker on anyone else, at least Medea is just injured and Iskandar is our only problem now

>>4736525
That's why I thought it was a good idea to go for Rider instead. Didn't actually think she could use MB like that. I thought the ribbons would stall or capture her so she couldn't interfere.

Fucking Saber!! When we study the second magic or if Kaladeostar comes back were getting the rider version. We need some milk healing.

>>4736527
Medea has a hard on for Saber so i think this would be a nice gift for her, we're not gonna try purifying her though, would be very weird to have two Sabers running around

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Why would you so carelessly dismiss Saber Alter as a non-threat anyway?
>>4736532
>if Kaladeostar comes back were getting the rider version
You could just give her a gun.

>>4736499
>"Rin! Stop Rider!"

Would burning command spell with command "Medea heal this instant and stop Rider" work? We can infuse some extra Truth juice in it.

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Anyway, calling in... 30 minutes.

>>4736534
Let's just give her to Shirou and let him deal with it.