"Actually Archer, now that you're back with us an idea comes to mind. Would you be willing to let my teacher transfer your memories of the weapons you have stored up to Shirou?" With any luck, Archer sharing the contents of Unlimited Blade Works with Shirou will give the boy the ability to actually manifest his Reality Marble in addition to filling it with whatever swords Archer has seen over his service as a Counter Guardian.

"That's an awfully personal request you're making there, but... seeing what's at stake if we fail, I suppose I have no choice but to go along with it, after all, we do need to maximize our effectiveness, even if that means I need to share some of my memories with Shirou." Even if Archer is no longer scheming to kill his past self, that doesn't mean that he's ever going to get along with him. Despite being the same person, the two of them are completely incompatible when it comes to getting along with each other, honestly, you'd probably see Shirou rather become friends with Gilgamesh than you would see him become friends with EMIYA.

"Excellent, I'll go tell my teacher the next time I see her." You turn away from Archer and make to leave the room before you stop and turn to Medea. "but... there's one thing that I've been wondering for a while now. Medea, you can scry for people with your magic, can't you?" You decide to square something away after putting it off for too long, and now that you have Medea back with you then there's absolutely no reason not to keep yourself in the dark about Kiritsugu's fate.

"I can, Master." Medea responds in the positive, just as you thought she would, her grasp of magecraft is really incredible, so of course she has the ability to remotely locate people.

"Good, then can you please scry for Kiritsugu Emiya?" You give her the command without any hesitation, you want to know just why he never returned, and whether or not he ended up dying in his quest to retrieve Illya. Though it isn't really looking good for his chances of still being alive considering he just disappeared off the face of the planet after that day.

"What are you talking about? Kiritsugu Emiya should've died years ago!" Archer looks at you with an irritated glare, obviously he's not exactly aware of just how different that this timeline is to his own one. Even if he has a few ideas of his own about just what might be going on and why things are so different, you doubt he really knows the half of it.

"Well, yes, he would've died, but I took great advantage of Shirou's possession of Avalon and the existence of a girl I know of who is destined to act as the body of King Arthur, meaning that her magical energy is identical to Arturia's! Meaning...!" You cut yourself off to let Archer come to his own conclusion about what you were planning on doing with such a girl.

"That you could use her to activate Avalon's healing abilities." Archer quickly realizes the truth behind what you're getting at, though he doesn't entirely sound pleased by this revelation. "Then you mean to tell me that my father is alive somehow? Then where is he?" Archer is clearly trying to keep his emotions about the revelation that his father might still be alive under control, and seems to be using irritation to hide his true thoughts on the matter.

"That's what I'd like to know, he took off a few years ago in an attempt to go and rescue Illya from the Einzbern, I really fear for the worst considering we never heard from him again after that day." Still, you find it hard to believe that Kiritsugu just up and died, even with all the evidence pointing towards his death, a serious Kiritsugu just doesn't feel like he's the sort of person who would end up dying on a mission, it's strange. Especially the fact that Illya seems not to have any actual knowledge of Kiritsugu's last attempted rescue of her.

"Very well, Master, give me a few moments." Medea pulls a crystal ball out of thin air. How very stereotypical of her to rely on such an item for something like this, a crystal ball for scrying for the location of somebody? Well, you suppose that it's not really that strange, it's probably far more convenient for her to use one instead of relying on a large bowl for scrying for people from. After the woman chants a few words in ancient Greek, the ball begins to shine brightly. Now, seeing as I have no knowledge of the man in which I am searching for, I require somebody with memories of Kiritsugu Emiya to touch the ball and to think strongly about him.

You're about to do as Medea asks before Archer suddenly steps forwards and places his hand on the floating crystal ball, and it flashes brightly for a moment before the glow stabilizes a few seconds after. "There. Tell me what you can see, Caster." It seems that despite his actions so far, Archer clearly misses his father, it seems that for Shirou, no matter what version of him, he will always have a great deal of respect for his father, even if he would disagree with his actions.

"That's... odd." Caster doesn't sound very certain of just what she's looking at as she stares into the crystal ball. "I can see... that there are two beings that your recollection of the man seem to have found... One of them is in Germany, still and lifeless despite his body still drawing breath through some magical means, and the other is... the other is in Fuyuki City, but I am incapable of finding his exact location... I believe him to be in the castle in the forest... The one that the lunatic goddess I was told is residing in." There's disgust in her voice as she mentions Tamamo. "I might be able to teleport the one in Germany to us here, but from what I can see from here, there wouldn't be much point, his eyes are open yet there is no life in them." You grit your teeth, could Kiritsugu actually have had his soul removed from his body by the Einzbern as a result of a failed attack? But why would what you can only assume to be his soul be in Fuyuki? It doesn't make any sense!

>"Teleport his body to us anyway, Medea."
>"Leave his body for now, better to leave it in relative safety until we're certain of the situation."
>"Medea, would it be capable for you to transfer a magic crest from one person to another, even if they weren't blood related?"
>"Archer, it's your father, what do you think we should do?"
>Write-in...

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>"Teleport his body to us anyway, Medea."
Is the 2nd one him?

>>4687816
>>4687808
Forgot post

>>4687808
>"Teleport his body to us anyway, Medea."

WELP time to go back to the castle and find possible counter guardian Kiritsugu.

>>4687808
>"Teleport his body to us anyway, Medea."
Goddamn, Acht gave Kiritsugu's soul to Illya as a doll? That's both fitting, and worse than I expected.

>>4687808
>"Teleport his body to us anyway, Medea."
>"Mention that strange fox who seems to be Tamamo`s Master."
Oh. So that fox was actually a jail-body made to host Kiritsugu`s soul? Probably not even a real fox but a homunculus body made not to die fast like the rest of them.

>>4687824
>"Teleport his body to us anyway, Medea."
>"Write in..." While we're at it could you please Scry for Ayaka Sajyou as well. I have a means of recruiting the king of heroes onto our side, while also procuring another Saber....
He's definitely trapped in doll and not a counter guardian. Einzbern are notorious for trapping people's souls in random objects. Let's scry for Ayaka while we're at it.

>>4687832
>Oh. So that fox was actually a jail-body made to host Kiritsugu`s soul?
No.

>>4687835
Dude, spoilers
:P

>>4687832
>>4687824
>>4687822
>>4687818
>>4687816
Guys while Medea is searching for people let's also Scry for Ayaka so that we can pacify Gil and he won't be a problem later on. We don't even have to summon Saber Proto if you're against it.

>>4687836
Is it really a spoiler if Shinji can easily come to the conclusion that that obviously wasn't what happened?

Calling in 30.

>>4687835
>>4687842
It would have been so inline with rest of Jubstacheit`s "master plans".
Putting dormant soul of Kiritsugu inside ageless artificially created animal but making it a bit too smart and being able to summon Servants by accident. Only for it to summon four tailed Tamamo by a whim of fate.

>>4687842
Eh, kind of? It definitely wouldn't be if Shinji briefly considered it before discarding the thought in the next update. But then again I enjoy us going off in wild tangents that end up getting shat upon shortly.

>"Teleport his body to us anyway, Medea."
>Get your abilities ready to heal him....again.

>>4687849
Tamamo is more than talented enough a spellcaster to determine whether or not her master is a human trapped in the body of an animal or not. So it just isn't really a possibility.

>>4687808
>"Teleport his body to us anyway, Medea."

>>4687808
It's late and I was going to vote to leave the body where it is, but since we've got probably more than enough capable magi to keep him alive it's probably better to retrieve the body, especially if Einzbern realizes it's been scried on.

Still I suppose this moves priority of dealing with Tamamo up by quite a bit if we're to recover the spiritual component as well, right?

>>4687808
>>"Teleport his body to us anyway, Medea."
fucking knew it

>>4687803
>>4687806
>>4687808
OH NO HE'S WITH THE COUNTER GUARDIANS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

"Teleport his body to us anyway, Medea." You won't have the Einzbern maintain possession of Kiritsugu's body any longer than they already have, even if it likely has no soul within it, as that seems to be the modus operandi of the Einzbern, you aren't comfortable with just leaving his body in the hands of Jubstacheit to do whatever else he might feel like doing with it. It's honestly something of a miracle that they decided not to just destroy his original soulless body for some reason. Still, it's not as if they were expecting somebody to be able to simply teleport it out of their with ease through whatever magical defenses they might've put in place. To Medea, whatever bounded fields the Einzbern might've managed to put up around their castle over centuries would be little more than tearing through a barrier made out of sheets of paper. There's really no comparing the skill of Medea compared to the Einzbern. One of the only reasons that Medea is incapable of learning True Magic is that as a Magus that predates it, she is fundamentally incompatible with the Five True Magics of the Age of Man, otherwise you have no doubt that she would probably be capable of learning the secrets of True Magic as well, not unlike Touko, who seems to more suffer from a lack of motivation than an inability to wield them.

"Very well, Master." Medea doesn't hesitate for a moment as she begins to focus more on the target of her spell. Whatever defenses the Einzbern might have against the forced spacial relocation of a target that is incapable of resisting themselves easily being broken apart even at a distance of over nine thousand kilometers. She's terribly impressive when she's facing off against magi of the modern Era, you hadn't expected her range to be so tremendous, but then again, there isn't really any reason why it shouldn't be. She's one of the most talented spellcasters in all of history after all, so it might be the case that spacial relocation is one of her specialties. She draws forth her staff and thrusts it into the air, pumping quite a large amount of magical energy into the long ranged teleport, but not as much as she might've used had she not been empowered by Alítheia's blessing. The buffs to Medea's parameter's have actually made her a far more formidable opponent for anybody to face off against now, her agility parameter is around the level of an average Knight Class Servant now, and that's not even taking into account her magical abilities!

"Tροψα!"

There's a flash of bright purple light as Medea casts her magic, and soon there's a body of a man laying unconscious in the center of the room, next to the Kaleidosword is the sleeping body of Kiritsugu Emiya, he's wearing a pure white robe, and the parts of the body that you can see seem to be covered in... stitches? Like his body has been cut open and put back together again over and over for some reason. But... why?!

Archer is silent as he looks at the unconscious body of his father, not that you can blame him, Kiritsugu's body is in a pretty terrible state right now, and it's a wonder that he's even alive, if even only in some meanings of the word, he certainly isn't going to be getting up and walking around any time soon. Not without a soul in his body. "As I thought, this body has no soul within it. The soul is being kept in the castle in Fuyuki." Medea sounds absolutely certain about that now, and you realize that you're going to need to come to a decision about what to do with Kiritsugu.

>"Alright, we'll head to the Castle immediately upon returning to Fuyuki, I might be able to get Tamamo on side and Kiritsugu's soul will be easy to find."
>"Medea, is this body at any risk of dying due to having been taken from where it was being kept? Do you know why they have stitched it together like this?
>"Is the Emiya magic crest present? If we can have it transferred to Shirou somehow, our odds of victory will shoot upwards."
>"Archer, what do you think we ought to do?"
>Write-in...

>>4687946

>"Alright, we'll head to the Castle immediately upon returning to Fuyuki, I might be able to get Tamamo on side and Kiritsugu's soul will be easy to find

>>4687946
>"Medea, is this body at any risk of dying due to having been taken from where it was being kept? Do you know why they have stitched it together like this?
Let's not rush to marry the fox yet.

>>4687946
>"Alright, we'll head to the Castle immediately upon returning to Fuyuki, I might be able to get Tamamo on side and Kiritsugu's soul will be easy to find."
>"Medea, is this body at any risk of dying due to having been taken from where it was being kept? Do you know why they have stitched it together like this?"
>Write-in...

Give Archer some room, he might be about to go absolutely mental from seeing this. Get info on what the hell happened in Germany, and then scry on the Einzbern castle itself. I wanna know what activity has gone down there.

There is going to be someone nuked from kilometers away by Archer, and I really only hope that they aren't someone we would consider a loss if he did it today.

>>4687955
Support

>>4687946
>"Alright, we'll head to the Castle immediately upon returning to Fuyuki, I might be able to get Tamamo on side and Kiritsugu's soul will be easy to find."
>"Medea, is this body at any risk of dying due to having been taken from where it was being kept? Do you know why they have stitched it together like this?"
>"Is the Emiya magic crest present?"
Last one just to check if Einzberns dabbled with idea of trying to copy Time Manipulation in some way.

>>4687965
Support

>>4687946
>>"Alright, we'll head to the Castle immediately upon returning to Fuyuki, I might be able to get Tamamo on side and Kiritsugu's soul will be easy to find."
>>"Medea, is this body at any risk of dying due to having been taken from where it was being kept? Do you know why they have stitched it together like this?
>>"Is the Emiya magic crest present? If we can have it transferred to Shirou somehow, our odds of victory will shoot upwards."

>>4687955
+1, also I think its a dick move to harvest Kiritsugu for spare parts

>>4687946
>What do we need to keep the body safe until we recover the soul?
>Let’s make recovering his soul a priority when we return to Fuyuki.
Might want to reconsider who to take with to deal with Tamamo, Sakura being out unless we can wait for her to reach us by chopper.

>>4687946
>>4687965
Support

>>4687978
I forget if Saber or Mordred is with us, either way, one of them, will do as they have high magic resistance

>>4687981
Tamamo's Witchcraft has been shown to ignore Magic Resistance multiple times.

>>4687978
>>4687981
From that vote we have
>Medea, the Ibaraki duo, SHIKI, Rin, Illya, the Maids, Mordred and Morgan.
With added EMIYA now.
It is really solid team for just about anything.

>>4687946
>>"Alright, we'll head to the Castle immediately upon returning to Fuyuki, I might be able to get Tamamo on side and Kiritsugu's soul will be easy to find."
>>"Medea, is this body at any risk of dying due to having been taken from where it was being kept? Do you know why they have stitched it together like this?"
>>"Is the Emiya magic crest present?"

Calling in 30.

>>4687946
>>4687965
+1

>>4687984
Alright so guess we gotta speech check Tamamo or out magic her since I don't really wanna kill her

Tamamo is an easy woman to figure out however the most direct option to just marry her is suicide. We need to find a balance between us taking care of the kit and hopefully placating her.

>>4688018
We should marry her. She's a part of the harem after all.

>Castle Immediately
>>4687951

>Magical examination
>>4687954

>Immediate castle, examination, and give Archer some room before scrying on the the Einzbern Castle in Germany.
>>4687955
>>4687962
>>4687977

>Check Castle Immediately when you return, examination and check to see if crest is still there
>>4687965
>>4687969
>>4687980
>>4687986
>>4687991

>Immediate castle, examination, crest transfer?
>>4687971

>What do we need to keep the body safe? Let's make recovering the soul a priority.
>>4687978

>>4688019
I dunno about that, I'm not into the whole fluffy tail fetish thing but if thats the cost saving emiya then it's a cost I'm willing to make. We already have a dragon daughter, I hope our kit "son" will get along. All hypothetical of course if we take that path going forward.

>>4688029
Ew you're a emiya fan

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>>4688018
>>4688019
I don't wanna get route locked

>>4688032
I'm not particularly fond of that tragic character however if we were to salvage his sorry state his revival would have much use in bringing happiness to illiya, archer and shirou alongisde some much needed closure. In part to prevent shirou's foolhardy idea of heroism which would lead to syria. Now if we were to revive the mother somehow that would mean the ultimate gift for illiya, and perhaps a doting mother for shirou. Either way I'm just seeing an opportunity for more character interactions which is what I'm aiming for.

>>4688042
When we fuck chaldea we can use the FATE system to summon caster iri.
probably.

>>4688044
Caster iri is the only way getting her now unless we want to trigger counter guardians messing with timelines.

>>4688048
>>4688044
If Manaka can pull the servants from the grail, it might be possible for us to use truth to pull Iri from it.
Especially if it's something similar to Roa and there's a connection we can fondle.

>>4688051
Yeah, I think it'll be very possible for us to pull Irisviel from the Grail after we deal with Manaka.

"Alright, we'll head to the Einzbern Castle immediately upon returning to Fuyuki, I might be able to get Tamamo to agree to work together with us, and in that case, Kiritsugu's soul will be easy to find." Of course, getting Tamamo to agree to help may be easier said than done, she did seem a little bit insistent on marriage last time you were there, and you doubt that she's going to have eased up on that wish of hers in the few days you've been away from her.

"Understood, I've wanted to meet this Tamamo since I heard about her this morning anyway." Medea's voice is devoid of any trace of emotion, as if she's trying her absolute hardest to mask her true thoughts on Tamamo now that you've decided it might be of benefit to try to form an alliance with the woman. With any luck you'll be able to convince her that you don't need to marry her, or that she should at least wait to get to know you a little better before trying to go ahead and well... attempt to marry you.

You look down at Kiritsugu's body before you sigh. "Medea, do you know if this body is at risk of dying as it currently is? Or perhaps what the source of all of these scars could be?" You're very concerned about just what the Einzbern might've done to Kiritsugu, and you're pretty certain that EMIYA is silently fuming about what the Einzbern have done to his father, a step too far, it seems. You have your doubts that EMIYA is going to tolerate the existence of the Einzbern for very long if he ends up surviving till after the war. This is really crossing a line, and the implication that this entire time Acht had placed Kiritsugu's soul in some sort of inanimate object is just... too cruel. Especially in that seeing as his soul is still in Fuyuki, then that can only mean that Acht must've intended for Kiritsugu to not only watch Illya believe that he abandoned her, but also watch her die for the sake of the Einzbern. It's an unreasonably cruel thing to do to anyone, nobody deserves to be put through that.

"The body should be fine, it seems to be enchanted with a magecraft that is massively reducing the amount of sustenance that his body requires." Medea moves her hand over Kiritsugu's body and a soft purple glow shines upon it as she examines the body of the man. "Hmmph, a lot of this body has obviously been tampered with, his organs have all been removed and replaced, though they all seem to have been... harvested? Small pieces of each organ have been removed, nothing that would threaten a life though..." Medea looks at the body of the unconscious Magus Killer with a curious expression as she tries to figure out what the Einzbern might've been up to. "Perhaps for biological samples?"

"Probably. The body of a magus is something that most magi would be able to find many uses for, even the Einzbern." Archer finally speaks, and through gritted teeth. "I imagine that one of their plans was likely to attempted to splice the Einzbern variety of Homunculi with the more resilient genes of a human in order to create more superior lesser grails like Illyasviel." Well, it is true that Illyasviel is a superior grail vessel than her mother was, but could it really have been as a result of sharing the genes of Kiritsugu? You suppose it can't really have been anything else. "Though I imagine that the organ harvesting that we've seen was more for research purposes, I do hope I don't need to tell you all how Homunculi are created." You shudder at Archer's implication, and you suddenly understand some more of his rage.

"The crest. Is the Emiya crest still present, Caster?" Desperate to change the topic, you decide to ask something else, if the Einzbern were trying to create bootleg variants of time alter, then their next generation of homunculi will be tremendously deadly. The idea of somebody like Sella, already beyond the limits of a normal human and capable of being able to fight a Servant defensively in a battle of strength being able to increase her speed and thought speed by a factor of four is terrifying. At that level she'd actually be able to defeat a Servant! A single homunculi!

"There is a magic crest... but it's clearly only part of a greater whole, and even then, it seems to have been tampered with as well." You grit your teeth. Whatever the hell Acht is planning, you aren't going to let him get away with this. The idea of an army of homunculi with that level of strength would be truly devastating! One more thing to resolve after the war is over, you suppose. If Acht really has started to attempt to create an unstoppable army of homunculi, then you might have a chance of usurping control over it thanks to Illya! Still, there's being a sore loser about the grail wars and then there's trying to form an army to secure victory for the next grail war. Though if he truly is trying to replicate Time Alter on an individual scale for his homunculi, then he's almost certainly not managed to get it working yet. All the while Illya has been kept none the wiser too. Despicable.

"What a dreadful thing to do to somebody." Rin suddenly squeezes one of Archer's hands, trying to reassure and comfort him, it must be terrible for Archer to see Kiritsugu in a state like this, the man had suffered enough already, and really doesn't deserve this sort of stuff anymore, his life has been one of suffering, and the fact that even after renouncing his goal to save others he is still suffering just isn't right. "Archer, are you OK?" Rin keeps talking, trying to assess just how poorly this situation has affected her Servant.

"I'm... fine, Rin. I'm fine." Archer is shaken, unbelievably, the always cool and collected Archer is actually shaken, not that you can blame him at all for reacting like this, if Archer is acting like this, you can only imagine how Shirou might react. That being the case, should you tell Shirou about all this?

>Don't tell Shirou about Kiritsugu. You can tell him after you've saved Kiritsugu.
>Tell Shirou about Kiritsugu. It would be wrong if you kept him in the dark about this.
>Ask Archer whether you should tell Shirou or not.
>Write-in...

>>4688098
did they fucking try to clone his organs to make a new....him?

>>4688105
>>Ask Archer whether you should tell Shirou or not.

>>4688105
>Tell Shirou about Kiritsugu. It would be wrong if you kept him in the dark about this.
No real reason to hide it from him. He'll be happy enough to know his father is alive for sure.

>>4688106
An army of homunculi with enhanced strength and his powers.

>>4688105
>>Tell Shirou about Kiritsugu. It would be wrong if you kept him in the dark about this.
It would be very fucking wrong to not tell him.

>>4688105
Ask Archer whether you should tell Shirou or not

>>4688105
>>4688112
fuck i'm switching to
>>Tell Shirou about Kiritsugu. It would be wrong if you kept him in the dark about this.
it'd be wrong to not tell him, he's our best bro

>>4688105
Actually, I'd like to change my vote from >4688113 to
>Write-in
>Tell Shirou AND Illya as soon as possible. Both of them deserve to know.
Didn't we send Shirou ahead with Sakura anyway?

>>4688105
>Tell Shirou about Kiritsugu. It would be wrong if you kept him in the dark about this.
If we tell shirou are we going to tell illya as well?

>>4688105
>>4688124
+1

>>4688124
>>4688105
Support
Also, maybe we could ask Ilya if she remembers being given some item by Acht around the time Kiritsugu dissapeared? Maybe she already knows where his soul is stored.

>>4688105
>>4688124
Switching to this.

this vaguely reminds me of the orphan basement scene, this is how he's gotta confront his ideals this time around

If we tell Shirou this, he.....may actually want to kill someone

>>4688124
Support.

>>4688124
Support.

>>4688142
True. But we can at least try and stop him from doing so. We want Shirou to be Batman, not The Punisher if that makes any sense.

>>4688105
change >>4688118
to >>4688124

20 minute call.

Does Truth healing apply to fixing the crest?

>>4688327
Good question. Gonna say maybe since we were able to heal fucking Arcueid and fix her hair.

>>4688327
If only we knew a magus who was an expert at repairing and altering crests.

>>4688327
He could i just checked shinji's status page and the section under truth healing says >This allows him to repair damaged magic circuits and magical crests

>>4688338
Huh, we need to tell Waver when we see him.

>>4688340
That might be the best infodump to date.
Now that I think about it, this quest is very much about infodumps; characters give infodumps, players give infodumps, the protagonist sits through infodumps he already knows to create the illusion that he doesn't, the protagonist will even cut off characters while they are infodumping to give a more comprehensive infodump.
There is even a role reversal of this where the protagonist will start an infodump only to be blindsided by an infodump that invalidates what he thought previously.
We even have special interludes about characters receiving infodumps from eachother, just so the readers don't miss an opportunity to read an infodump.

>>4688340
Going to the Clock Tower and fixing a magic crest like that is an excellent way to get yourself Sealing Designated on the spot.

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>>4688356
> this quest is very much about infodumps
This entire franchise is very much about infodumps, thank you very much.

I refuse to read a fate quest whatis, so I must ask what the new disclaimer on the OP image means.

>>4688357
You say that like we don't have a list as long as Touko's waiting for us. Luckily, we can just take a page out of her book dealing with them.

>>4688360
There's a relatively obscure character from some side material who will be showing up in this thread, who is effectively just Dante from Devil May Cry.
All we know about his character design is that he looks like Dante.

>>4688360
there's a character in the Nasuverse called Enhance who's supposed to look like Dante from Devil May Cry

>>4688359
It is, but as a meta quest we are free to infodump not to supply necessary information to readers or characters, but to engage purely for the artform.
Why else would we make such flippant revelations if not to engage in the dance of explanation?
Surely there can be no tactical advantage to constantly baffling one's allies in such a way.

"Well, we need to tell Illya and Shirou, that much is certain." You can't just keep the two of them in the dark about this, it's too important to just let slip by while you try to resolve the situation, the two of them have a right to know just what happened to Kiritsugu, and this... might spark something of a hatred towards the Einzbern in both of Kiritsugu's children. Even the normally restrained Archer looks livid at the events that have occurred, and while he is probably happy at the idea of being able to see his father alive again, in his current state, it might've been kinder if he were to have just been allowed to die. Though at least with how things have ended up, there is still a chance to save Kiritsugu, it's not like he's doomed completely, though whatever torture he suffered at the hands of the Einzbern was undeserved considering that while he might've done a lot of wrong things in his life, his dealings with the Einzbern and his 'betrayal' of them in destroying the grail most certainly was not wrong.

"You really think it's a good idea to tell Illya?" Archer raises an eyebrow at you. "I can understand the logic behind telling myself, but Illya... She's... not really the sort of person who will respond well to being told something like this, you'd basically turn her entire world completely upside down." Archer sounds hesitant to tell Illya about all this, and he is right, the girl will probably lose her temper very quickly, and might even refuse to believe you without being shown the evidence... which will just make things worse when she realizes you were telling the truth. It looks like despite everything, Archer just can't bear the idea of making Illya upset.

"I promised I wouldn't lie or hide anything from her, Archer. That includes something like this, she's got a right to know just as much as Shirou has." For as much as Archer might want to protect his... younger older sister, she really does deserve to know what happened to Kiritsugu, after all, when this war is all said and done, it's not really like you've got any real reason to allow the Einzbern to continue existing after this grail war, at least not without some major reforms, and you feel like letting Illya know that this is what Acht has been up to for years while feeding her lies about her father is really going to give her the impetus she needs to want to change the Einzbern completely.

>>4688357
Why go there? I imagine Reines wouldn't object to coming to Japan and keeping a secret for a while. Avoiding conflict with the Clocktower long-term would be very difficult anyway. And why Sealing on the spot, didn't the Arda inheritance promise to do just that?

>>4688370
This is why I'm mad we skipped Case Files. Just so we could info dump whenever Waver made a deduction.

"Fine." Archer doesn't sound pleased by your decision, but he doesn't sound like he's ready to argue with you about it, deep down he probably understands that it's for the best as well, he might love Illya and want to protect her even now, but there's a limit to how much protection the girl needs. She doesn't need to be coddled, nor does she need to have painful truths hidden away from her. "You go and tell her and Shirou then, I don't need to tell you all that I'd much rather you all keep my identity a secret from everyone else, right? It'll be easier on Saber if she doesn't know who I am." Archer really does seem to enjoy self-sacrifice, ah well, there's not much that can be done about it now.

"Very well, Archer." You agree not to reveal his identity to the rest of your group, and it's probably for the best that he keeps it a secret from the likes of Illya and Shirou. You don't even know how Saber or Mordred or even Morgan would react to the existence of Archer now either, considering what sort of relevance that Shirou now has to them as the future husband of Arturia. You honestly still cannot believe that the proposal ended up happening like that, let it never be said that King Mordred doesn't have bouts of brilliant inspiration.

You leave Rin and Archer in the basement with Kiritsugu's sleeping body, you have no doubt that Archer will take good care of the body of his father in your absence, but before you go off to tell Illya and Shirou about Kiritsugu, you need to decide who you're going to tell first.

>Shirou.
>Illya.
>Get them both together before saying anything.
>Write-in...

>>4688378
>>Get them both together before saying anything.

>>4688378
Illya

>>4688377
Seconded. It would have been immeasurably satisfying.

>>4688377
I don't think Waver would want to be friends with us anymore if we did that.

Isn't Shirou currently with Sakura on the way back home?

>>4688370
You need to time your infodumps properly, otherwise you might end up infodumping to the wrong person. Like Nyarlathotep.

>>4688376
There's a lot of awkward questions that Waver and Reines would be facing if they did that.

>>4688377
>>4688382
Case files would've been humorous, I will say that, if only for how exasperated Waver would end up getting.

>>4688383
You mean he wouldn't like his detective time to be ruined by somebody who casually reveals the plot and motive of every single case like you were somebody who literally just skipped to read the last three pages of a murder mystery?

>>4688385
No anon, they didn't leave immediately, everyone is waiting until everyone is together before you all just set off.

>>4688378
>Get them both together before saying anything.

>>4688378
>Get them both together before saying anything.
>>4688388
Using metaknowledge in a Grail War is acceptable but using it in a mystery novel is just being a dick.

>>4688388
>There's a lot of awkward questions that Waver and Reines would be facing if they did that.
Couldn't they just hide the fixed Crest for some time? It's not like they have to tell everyone immediately.

>>4688390
Huh, I thought we were currently burning time while they were in transit.

>>4688378
>Get them both together before saying anything.

>>4688397
>Using metaknowledge in a Grail War is acceptable but using it in a mystery novel is just being a dick.
Our metaknowledge isn't entirely reliable even in the Case Files. Animusphere succeeded somehow, for example.

>>4688378
>Get them both together before saying anything.

>>4688398
>Couldn't they just hide the fixed Crest for some time? It's not like they have to tell everyone immediately.
They couldn't hide it forever and questions would eventually arise. The El-Melloi would get in an incredible amount of hot water if they knew the location of a guy who could fix an unfixable magic crest and didn't divulge it.
Up until the war, you were kind of trying to keep a relatively low profile with stuff like that just in case.

>>4688402
>Animusphere succeeded somehow, for example.
You may have a different definition of success to my definition of it. Marisbury is not having a good time at all.

>>4688408
>spoiler
I got the feeling as soon as Merlin showed his face.

>>4688377
It's so fucking annoy too because if we did go, we would've literally just fucked around and have been Mycroft to Waver's Sherlock and spend more time just bribing Moneybills and making Olga our apprentice instead of now where we're worried about Merlin and have no idea what Moneybills is up too. The impatience made things harder

>>4688408
I think conflict with the Clocktower is inevitable at this point. The time for keeping a low profile with them is rapidly coming to an end.

>spoiler
The presence of Merlin indicates his experiments were more successful than what we saw in the Case Files, but yeah, we don't really know what's up with him. It's one of the reasons we'll be meeting Waver shortly.

>>4688378
>Get them both together before saying anything.

>>4688420
FGO Moneybills and Case Files Moneybills are different for sure. He doesn't seem to have abandoned Olga so it's looking like the FGO timeline, guess we need to kill Lev so Olga doesn't become an alien goddess, unless he already did it himself

>>4688441
The way I understood it was that the point of divergence was him winning the Grail War and setting up everything with the money he wished for. This obviously didn't happen here. I wonder what changed for him.

>>4688455
Actually, the point of divergence was deciding on participating in the HGW, if the grail is corrupted he gives up and does other things, if it isn't, he goes in and slaughters with Solomon cheat codes. Seems like it's a mesh of both since in the corrupted timeline he abandoned Olga and he didn't seem to do that here?

>>4688378
>Get them both together before saying anything.

>>4688378
>Get them both together before saying anything.
>>4688398
>>4688420
We are going to conquer england anyway, we will have to fight the clock tower or at least a part of it.
Fixing the crest would give us a lot of leverage with Reines and maybe give us another girl wanting to fuck us, considering that waver is very much probably gay for iskandar.

>>4688622
Reines would love some superior Makiri genes.

>>4688622
>spoiler
No, no, no, we can't do our boy Waver wrong like that. We did it right for Shirou and Saber, let's do the same for those two.

>>4688732
Waver is for Adashino.

>>4688736
Adashino is a cold hearted bureaucratic bitch. You're saying that only because you want Reines for yourself.

This just made me remember.
Does the dragon blood help with magic? If so we should do it with waver if he accepts, the dude in canon would be fucking scary if he didnt have very shit circuits.

>>4688745
That's a good point, I agree.

>>4688732
Waver is for Taiga coward

>>4688745
Dragons passively create mana just by existing, depending on how it manifests in a person you might get a dragon reactor core and have have an effectively infinite supply that just has a regeneration rate cap.

But Waver has the option of being a non-scuffed pseudo servant as Zhuge Liang died of overwork so when summoned into Waver's body he just leaves his powers and skills and goes for a nap because he's done with life. Waver gets to keep his own personality with all the pseudoservant buffs and perks.

On another note, dragonloli would be worth bringing to meet the fox, as its either a reverse cuckhold moment and Tamamo is happy to adopt her or a much more durable Truth existence flattens the fox for hurting her Dad. Medea and Shinji going as a couple may also discourage Tamamo as he can claim he had already formed a contract with a wife figure, but that might make anti-Medeafags seethe about a harder route lock.

Alternatively bringing Sakura for magic nullification along with the high level spellcasters like Medea and Morgan + Arc to beat Tamamo in a magic off, and/or letting Herc and EMIYA tag team snipe Tamamo from a distance if she gets out of hand.

If you wanted to make Shirou and EMIYA incredibly anti divine, there is always Laevatein, Surtr's sword, or Vasavi Shakti projectiles. Speaking of, Karna is actually around and almost allied once the meet up with Ciel happens.

>>4688743
Wavers charm will melt her cold snake heart.

>>4688745
Dragon blood turns your magic circuits into a magic core, it's the equivalent of going from a car battery to a factory. Likely more perks too like enhanced physical abilities and higher defenses, dragon blood can straight up make you as strong as a servant

>>4688757
If we wanted to kill Tamamo we could just nuke the castle, we don't need to do the whole song and dance and meet up with her

>>4688759
>>4688757
>>4688751
Very nice.

>>4688761
Risking kerrytugu's soul as collateral damage though

>>4688732
I thought he dislikes the relationship with her and her family. If anything he wants to escape it and is only there because of guilt towards her family for stealing the catalyst.

>>4688764
Also, I'm sure we can deal with her without demolishing Illya's vacation home. Letting Avenger loose will be enough, I think.

>>4688765
Waver just loves to grumble.

>>4688757
>ugly old bastard next door replaced by evil foreigner witch
Poor Tamamo.

>>4688773
>Poor Tamamo.
Crazy bitch deserves everything she's going to get, Avenger was absolutely right.

>>4688378
>get them both together
This is gonna go poorly. Poor Illya.
>>4688420
We've got enough firepower to take control of the Clocktower if we're sneaky enough.
>>4688804
She's done nothing wrong.
She just wants a reliable husband to love her.
>>4688455
Didn't Chaldea explode or something?
That's quite a big divergence.

>>4688378
>>Get them both together before saying anything.

Who is the better daughter, Betty or Alitheia?

>>4688860
I personally think Alitheia is the superior daughter.
She's forgiven us for trying to murder her and even blessed us and Medea.
She's a good girl.

>>4688860
>>4688865
Bad parent, anon.

>>4688867
Alitheia doesn't fall asleep at crucial moments and we can use her to announce our arrival to Britain.
We don't need to hide mystery if we can flood the world with mystery.
Alitheia is best daughter.

>>4688860
Miyu.

>>4688860
>>4688865
>>4688871
Can you stop samefagging with your shitty parenthood opinions? We love all our daughters equally. Betty has saved our ass more than once already.

>>4688875
We don't have Miyu yet.
In fact she either might not exist or could be living happily with her family.

>>4688877
Yeah but objectively our biological daughter is superior.

We should make Taiga our babysitter.

>>4688875
We should add miyu to the list of people we're going to scry once we get back to fuyuki.

>>4688885
So Miyu, Olga Marie and who else?

>>4688886
Zouken and ayaka i guess.

>>4688885
>>4688886
Kiara.

>>4688891
She's not really relevant but I guess a teleport couldn't hurt.
We'll just heal her.

Kiara, Olga, Betty and Alitheia.
Too many daughters.
Let's kidnapadopt Sigma.

>>4688906
Harem members cant kill you if the are too busy taking care of adopted daughters with sad backstory.

>>4688912
Anon you're a genius.
We need to find more tragic daughters.

>>4688917
>more tragic daughters
Isn't Manaka one, technically?

>>4688923
I doubt Manaka wants to be treated like a daughter considering she killed her own dad.

>>4688928
In that case, we're already halfway there on her treating us like her own father.

I kind of really want to end up in the Moon Cell just to terrorize BB and the Sakura 5 there.

>>4688932
I think Left Manaka might have a crush on us.

>>4688937
I forget, is that the more deranged one?

>>4688939
The more deranged one is Manaka R.
She's the Arthur obsessed Proto Manaka.

>>4688940
Aren't both of them Arthur obsessed? I am rather unclear on the differences, other than the most obvious.

>>4688944
I think the implication is that Manaka R is insane and that Manaka L is just there because R convinced her or something.
I doubt L gives a shit about what R wants to do or anything at all.
L was noticeably nicer to us than R was too.

>>4688945
I thought it was the otherway around, where left was more manic and unstable and thus willing to make deals and right was more detached and generally disapproving of us.
My take is that left is the one actually ascending, while right is the observer.
That makes more sense to me because left is the one trying to put pressure on us to use our powers to help them, while right doesn't seemed slightly annoyed that she was bothering to mess around with us.

So does anybody have any good ideas for convincing people like Tamamo and Manaka to not be batshit insane?

>>4688956
I think it was good cop bad cop.

>>4688957
The next time we have a dream we should go and talk to manaka try to see if we can talk things out i assume there are things that she can only say in a dream since the other one can't observe us in the dream.

>>4688957
I wonder if Tamamo has been watching us and if that would make her more or less crazy. I don't think there's much we can do about her other than express our disinterest as well as our preexisting life and feelings.
I don't really want to kill her despite her being a terrible person.
As for Manaka, I don't think there's going to be a return to sanity for her. She's already halfway to being space spaghetti to my understanding.

>>4688956
Also the one with the excalibur hole in her chest is a disgusting pseudo-zombie that only craves Pendragon dick.
Obviously not the less villainous one.

>>4688957
It is generally not possible to convince people to stop being batshit insane. That probably goes double for crazy chicks with reality-altering powers.

>>4688962
Tamamo isn't a terrible person.
She's just got bad luck.
She's no more terrible than Medea is.
>>4688964
I think we can manage it.
Crank that charisma up.

>>4688966
>Psychiatrists hate him!
>Learn how to stop being batshit insane with one simple trick!

>>4688966
I'm just saying, maybe after the third dead or destitute ex husband it starts being your fault.

>>4688966
>She's no more terrible than Medea is.
I don't remember our first meeting, or any other interaction, with Medea being all that similar to our first meeting with the fox.

>>4688968
I don't see you coming up with any better ideas.
>>4688970
They just didn't have what it takes to handle a cute fox wife.
>>4688972
Granted she may have gone a little too far, but we got to pet a fox cub. Then we sperged out and ran away instead of trying to talk to her.

Tamamo is a pushover in extra.
She done less evil things in all of extra games than Medea did in FSN.

>>4688977
>I don't see you coming up with any better ideas.
I don't see why "kill all of them" isn't a better idea by default.

>>4688978
I don't care what she did in extra. I care that we barely escaped from a shotgun wedding with a batshit crazy fox.

>>4688977
I know that fox spirits talk like humans, and also mostly look like humans, but they are monsters that have no real regard for their targets.
Sure, in her mind she loves us, but that love has consumed three men before us and she shows no sign of concern or introspection about it.
Fox wives end lives anon.
>>4688978
What she did in Extra isn't really representative of what she's like long term.
Remember that it was over the course of several decades that she brought her previous hosts to ruin.

>>4688980
>>4688981
Going by this logic we can just go mind of steel and kill most of cast.

>>4688978
Yeah she's nowhere near as bad as she's supposed to be.
She's just a dumb fox who desperately wants someone to love.
>>4688979
Killing everyone is never a good idea. It's not like Tamamo did us any permanent harm.
>>4688980
Aggressively trying to marry somebody doesn't deserve death.
>>4688981
Tamamo doesn't deserve your slander. She did nothing wrong.

>>4688983
I'm not saying we should avoid her because she's evil, I'm saying we should avoid her because she has Life Ruiner:(EX).
>>4688985
She did a ton of things wrong.
That's the whole point of the legend.
It's about falling in love with someone self destructive and getting rekt because of it.

>>4688983
>Going by this logic we can just go mind of steel and kill most of cast.
What kind of pretzel logic is that, you fucking furry? No one else has done anything similar to the crazy fox lady.

>>4688985
>Killing everyone is never a good idea. It's not like Tamamo did us any permanent harm.
Yet. And only because we escaped.

>>4688986
We're incredibly close to both the Witch of Betrayal and the Knight of Betrayal who both ruined everything.
Are we really going to judge Tamamo on her backstory?
It's not like her Fate backstory is harsh to her at all. She did nothing wrong.

>>4688990
>fox ears and tails
>furry
I see the chief officer of the retard patrol has arrived.
>Yet.
What do you think she was going to do?
Steal our virginity?

I want a fox wife.

Coomers will be the end of us.

>>4689005
For a quest like this I prefer coomers to murder fetishists, though it makes us vulnerable to a honeypot.

Why are we even talking about killing her when her spirit would just go to Sakura or Illya?
I mean I guess with Sakura might just destroy the soul of she kills her but I'd rather not take that chance.

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Tamamo is a good girl please don't bully her.

>>4689015
That's part of the reason why I don't care to go out of our way to kill her if she isn't being a complete blockade in the way of our objective.
Hell, part of her legend is being a huge problem even in death.
>>4689020
Tamano is a used up old hag.

Strange to see this kind of discussion over somebody like Tamamo and not Gil or Kirei.
Whole "scheming tyrannical fox wife" shit was solved in EXTELLA in rather easy way with Tamamo solving her emotional issues just by having a Master who had trust in her.
>>4688945
>>4688956
Oh yes, Two Manakas Riddle.

I think there's a clear winner here.
Gimme a sec to write this.

>>4689037
Fox wife?

>>4689037
I have really important thing to ask:
Would Altrouge do vampire ojou heroine impression is we were to ask her nicely?

>>4689015
That's a legitimately good point that I hadn't considered. Is there anyone we can arrange a marriage with?

>>4689042
What are you trying to say here?
>>4689051
You'd have to ask her that yourself.

>>4689057
Fox wife

You'll get the two of them together before you tell them anything about what has just happened. If Shirou is with her, then that means you've got a better chance of keeping Illya calm, you hope. Then again, with Archer's reaction being so poor to what happened to Kiritsugu, Shirou's reaction is probably going to be even worse. Archer came to terms with Kiritsugu's death at least decades ago, and maybe even longer depending on just how long he has been acting as a Counter Guardian throughout time for. Shirou on the other hand hasn't at all come to terms with the potential death of Kiritsugu, seeing as it was never actually confirmed, so this... this might end up having a profound effect on the boy.

Thankfully, Shirou is almost certainly going to still be in the dining room and after a quick journey back, you indeed end up finding him there. Nobody even really questions the explosion from the basement, they either didn't hear it, or they've come to terms with the fact that Rin is really quite noisy when it comes to developing her magecraft, either way, none of them came to check it out other than yourself, so you can only assume that they imagined it wasn't a threat and that you had it handled. You have no idea how Akiha might be taking her mansion being used in such a disrespectful manner, but the stakes are a little too high to pay heed to things like basic etiquette right now.

"Shirou, would you mind coming with me for a second, I need to talk to you and Illya about something very important." You tell the boy with a neutral yet serious voice. You need to let him know that what you're about to tell him is serious, but you don't want him or anybody else in the room to get suspicious or worried about what you might tell him.

"Oh, uh... Yeah, sure. Would you mind staying here for a moment, Sab-... Arturia." Shirou corrects himself halfway through his sentence, seems like he's decided to call Saber by her true name from now on as well, there's not really point behind keeping True Names hidden anymore anyway, and Saber clearly prefers him referring to her by her given name. It's nice to see that the two of them have such a positive relationship already.

"Not at all, Shirou." Saber says calmly as she looks at you with a curious glance, clearly she's interested in what you're acting so seriously about, but she respects Shirou's privacy too much to want to eavesdrop on a conversation that she might not be involved in, even if she does actually know Kiritsugu from the previous grail war. Shirou quickly gets up and follows you out of the room and into the hallways.

"What's up, Shinji?" Shirou asks you, he's clearly as curious about you acting like you are right now as Saber was, but you just shake your head instead of giving him a proper response yet. It would be better if you were to tell them both at once so that they could bond over the knowledge... or something. You don't really know whether it will work that way, but it's worth a shot.

"Sorry, but I need to get Illya too, this is some news that... well it affects both of you, and I feel like you've both got a right to know what I've just uncovered." You say no more than that as you begin to walk towards Illya's room. The journey isn't a very long one, but it feels like it takes longer than it actually does, there's a part of you that's dreading having to tell the two of them about Kiritsugu, his current state, and what must've been done to him by the Einzbern to make him like this. This is going to be a real terrible experience for everyone involved, you can feel it.

Soon you're at the door to Illya's room, and you knock on the door of the room. "Illya, it's me, can I come in? I need to talk to you about something important." You keep your voice serious as you address Illya as well, letting the girl know that you aren't just making a social call.

"Oh. Come in, Shinji." Illya's voice echoes through the door, and you don't wait any longer to open the door and walk inside, flanked by your Servants and followed by Shirou. "What did you want to talk about... and why do you look so serious?"

>"Kiritsugu is alive... but he's in a coma."
>"Kiritsugu is alive, but has had his soul removed by the Einzbern."
>"The Einzbern tortured Kiritsugu, harvested his organs, and probably placed his soul inside a doll."
>"Did Acht ever give you any dolls or bears or plush toys, Illya?"
>Write-in...

>>4689128
>"The Einzbern tortured Kiritsugu, harvested his organs, and probably placed his soul inside a doll."

>>4689128
>The Einzbern tortured Kiritsugu, harvested his organs, and probably placed his soul inside a doll

>>4689128
>>"The Einzbern tortured Kiritsugu, harvested his organs, and probably placed his soul inside a doll."
>>"Did Acht ever give you any dolls or bears or plush toys, Illya?"

>>4689128
>"Did Acht ever give you any dolls or bears or plush toys, Illya?"
>"I'm asking because the Einzbern tortured Kiritsugu, harvested his organs, and probably placed his soul inside a doll."

>>4689128
>"The Einzbern tortured Kiritsugu, harvested his organs, and probably placed his soul inside a doll."
A bombshell even the equivalent of Charisma: B isn't going to make hurt less.
Oh well, time to bond over Achthate I guess.

>>4689128
>"The Einzbern tortured Kiritsugu, harvested his organs, and probably placed his soul inside a doll."
>"Did Acht ever give you any dolls or bears or plush toys, Illya?"
Acht better be prepared for his one way trip to super hell.

>>4689128
>>"Kiritsugu is alive, but has had his soul removed by the Einzbern."
>>"Did Acht ever give you any dolls or bears or plush toys, Illya?"

Can Acht even feel pain? I suspect it will become relevant before long.

>>4689146
does he even have a soul? if yes we should make so he don't have one anymore.

>>4689128
>"Kiritsugu is alive, but has had his soul removed by the Einzbern."
>"The Einzbern tortured Kiritsugu, harvested his organs, and probably placed his soul inside a doll."
>"Did Acht ever give you any dolls or bears or plush toys, Illya?"

>>4689128
>"The Einzbern tortured Kiritsugu, harvested his organs, and probably placed his soul inside a doll."

I hope we can pull Iri out of the grail after we get Kerry's soul back in his body.
I want to see him be genuinely happy for once.
I wonder how he will feel about our planned empire building with Mordred.

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>>4689149
>"Tell me, does a golem like yourself feel fear?"

>>4689128
Did Acht ever give you any dolls or bears or plush toys, Illya?"

>>4689149
I'm more then willing to learn Truth Torture.

>>4689153
>I hope we can pull Iri out of the grail after we get Kerry's soul back in his body.
I hope so too, but for hers, Illya's and to a lesser extent Shirou's sake. Kerry wouldn't deserve this otherwise.

Frankly we can probably trash old man Acht in a matter of few hours with buffed teleportation by sending in a kill team.
Nice team building and assault exercises as well.

>>4689161
You are assuming we know the full extend of his powers. We have been surprised in this way before, and we know he's been studying Kiritsugu to upgrade his forces.

Besides, I'd like us to find a way to spare the homunculi if possible. And we should leave something more than a smoking crater for Illya to inherit.

>>4689161
You can kill Acht in a few hours, but how long will it take to kill the pain and deception he inflicted on our friends?

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>>4689161
we can just nuke the castle, but that would kill the other homunculi there.

>>4689174
Couple months, tops, if we can pull Iri out of the Grail.

>>4689128
>"Did Acht ever give you any dolls or bears or plush toys, Illya?"
>"The Einzbern tortured Kiritsugu, harvested his organs, and probably placed his soul inside a doll."

Sure would be nice to have an assassin right now jfc

>>4689187
We have Ciel.

>>4689208
We also have a cloak that gives anyone who wears it Assassin's only worthwhile skill.

>>4689171
>>4689174
>>4689176
Fair. Cleaning it up will take a lot of time and coup with upgraded Illya might work better to help homunculi.
>>4689187
Took me some time to remember we had Shuten. Even recalled speculations about which assassin to summon few threads back first.

>>4689217
Gay Baby Jail, otherwise known as, The Prison of Penultimate Irrelevancy.

>>4689217
>had
Man poor Shuten got shafted hard.
She's a god tier Servant and we just left her in Manaka's prison.

>>4689171
We have multiple servants, a dragon and the strongest vampire, I think we can kill an old man that's been playing around with some guy's body

>>4689221
For a super magic prison, gay baby jail sure is bad at keeping people captive.

>>4689222
We will get her back, hell, we saving her may very well make her take us seriously.

>>4689225
We can definitely kill him, yes. Killing him without excessive damage will be much trickier though.

Just got back from grocery shopping, calling in twenty.

>>4689256
Hey, WhatIs, since we are on the topic of Shuten right now if we had her with us after the temple assault did you had any plans for interesting scenes with her? Apart from Ibaraki of course.

>>4689265
Well, there would've definitely been a few interactions between Shuten and the Tohno.

>>4689273
What did you get from Trader Joe's?

>>4689282
A lot of instant ramen.

>>4689128
>"Kiritsugu is alive, but has had his soul removed by the Einzbern."
>"The Einzbern tortured Kiritsugu, harvested his organs, and probably placed his soul inside a doll."
>"Did Acht ever give you any dolls or bears or plush toys, Illya?"

>>4689128
>>"Did Acht ever give you any dolls or bears or plush toys, Illya?"
>>"I'm asking because the Einzbern tortured Kiritsugu, harvested his organs, and probably placed his soul inside a doll."

>>4689128
>"Did Acht ever give you any dolls or bears or plush toys, Illya?"
>"I'm asking because the Einzbern tortured Kiritsugu, harvested his organs, and probably placed his soul inside a doll.

"Illya... Did Acht ever give you any dolls or bears or plush toys or anything that seemed... unusual at the time?" Acht isn't exactly the sort of 'grandfather' who would do something like that, most of the pampering Illya would've received would've come entirely from the maids, who were all born and raised to love her unconditionally. However, if Acht did what you think he did, then you can only imagine him wanting to give the girl the doll personally, just to add an extra layer of insult onto things.

"A doll or plush toy...?" Illya seems to think for a moment as she attempts to recall something from her memory, though she is clearly struggling to remember, so if it did happen, it wasn't really of that much relevance to her, and Acht likely did it in a way that diminished the importance of the item he was giving her. "I... think so? But I can only really remember one time where he did, the other times it was always the maids going out and getting things for me, but most of the time they would make plush toys by hand, I think some of them enjoy doing that." Illya smiles briefly as she recalls the thoughts of the maids, but is clearly unnerved by your expression not budging an inch and remaining stone cold. "Why?"

"Because..." You take a deep breath. This is going to hurt. "Because, I found out what happened to Kiritsugu." You keep your voice solemn, as if to keep the mood calm, you don't exactly have good news to share with the two of them right now, you really wish you could've just had Kiritsugu's soul transplanted back to his body, but you're going to need to infiltrate the Einzbern Castle in Fuyuki for that to be a possibility.

"Y-you did?!" Shirou raises his voice in surprise, before realizing he interrupted you and shutting up rather quickly. Shirou is usually very polite, so you can only assume that with Kiritsugu involved he forgot his manners a little bit.

"I did. I can only assume that his last attempt to rescue you ended in absolute failure, Illyasviel." You maintain your tone, and Illyas eyes widen as she starts to understand that you don't have good news to share with her, even now she probably understands that what she's about to be told is going to hurt her a great deal, but you press on.

"W-what do you mean...? Is he dead?" Shirou once again interrupts you, clearly wanting you to get to the point already, this is the closure he was looking for about his father, it seems, and... well it's not exactly good news, but it's not the worst news possible considering that there is still a possibility to restore Kiritsugu to life.

"In a sense." You take another deep breath. "Kiritsugu Emiya was captured by the Einzbern, he was tortured, and his organs were harvested, likely to create a new generation of improved combat homunculi. This Illyasviel, was all kept a secret from you, and I'd wager that the one time Acht gave you a new doll was to... well it was to mock Kiritsugu even further, to put him so close to you while you were taught to hate him and believe he had abandoned you." You find yourself clenching your fist in rage, your neutral tone wavering a little bit, the level of evil required for something like this is unreal, you knew that Acht had no real sense of morality, but this goes beyond that level and into a level of irredeemable evil.

Both Shirou and Illya just stare at you in shocked silence. Shirou trying to determine if you're telling the truth, while Illyasviel is trying to determine whether you're telling her a lie. "You... you're telling the truth, aren't you?" After staring at you for a moment with those large red eyes of hers, Illya finally determines that you're telling her the truth, and despite how much she'd like for your words to be a lie, she ought to understand you would have nothing to gain from lying about something like this.

"I'm sorry." You apologize to the two of them for being the bearer of terrible news, but then it's not like you don't have some good news to give them as well "But... It's not too late for Kiritsugu." You decide to give them back the hope that the actions of the Einzbern has stolen from them. You don't want to see their pale shocked expressions for any longer than this, and telling them what actually happened to Kiritsugu is something that has managed to even anger you, despite your attempts to keep calm, even if you don't care for Kiritsugu nearly as much as Shirou or Illya did, he was still somebody who didn't deserve this fate.

"What... what do you mean?" Shirou asks once more, and this time you're actually thankful for his interruption. It gives you a chance to tell them just what exactly you've got planned, after all, you can still restore Kiritsugu to life.

"Kiritsugu's body is still alive, we simply need to retrieve his soul, so we can resuscitate him." The two of them still have pained expressions, but the news that Kiritsugu is actually capable of being saved does bring the both of them a great deal of comfort, of course that much alone wouldn't be enough for either of them to simply forget that their father was tortured and put through hell for years. "Only problem is that to do that we need to get his soul from... well from the Einzbern Castle, which is still currently... occupied." It's going to be quite difficult to sneak in to get Kiritsugu, and it will probably be even more difficult to convince Tamamo that you're just on a fleeting visit and that you can't stay for long.

The two of them give you determined looks, the pain in their faces vanishes and being replaced by expressions that show they are prepared to do whatever needs to be done to rescue their father. Though there's a great deal of hatred disguised behind that expression of determination... on both Illya's face, and surprisingly enough, on Shirou's face. It takes a great deal of work to get Shirou Emiya to actively hate somebody, but in general, torturing one of his close friends or a family member would definitely cause him to loathe your existence. You should've been expecting this, especially considering how bad Archer's reaction was.

>Ask the two of them what they want to do about the Einzbern now.
>Tell the two of them that after the war is resolved, that you'll deal with Acht together.
>Tell the two of them that you will deal with Acht as soon as possible. With Medea's abilities, it's not like you need to wait.
>Excuse yourself from the two siblings and let them talk in private.
>Offer to take the two of them to Kiritsugu's body.
>Write-in...

>>4689391
>>Offer to take the two of them to Kiritsugu's body.
>>Ask the two of them what they want to do about the Einzbern now.
its their dad, its their call

>>4689391
>Tell the two of them that after the war is resolved, that you'll deal with Acht together.
>Offer to take the two of them to Kiritsugu's body.

Save Kiritsugu first, save reality next, revenge later.

>>4689391
>Offer to take the two of them to Kiritsugu's body.
>Ask the two of them what they want to do about the Einzbern now.

I think it's too cruel to show them his body, right now we retrieve his soul and after that they can see his body and his recovery.

>>4689401
I think they'd like to see he's still breathing. Besides, we're offering, not taking them by force. They can decline if they want.

>>4689391
>Tell the two of them that after the war is resolved, that you'll deal with Acht together.
>Offer to take the two of them to Kiritsugu's body.

>>4689391
>Hug both of then, they need it
>>Offer to take the two of them to Kiritsugu's body.
>>Ask the two of them what they want to do about the Einzbern now OR if they want to do it after the war.

Also, the first thing we should do to him after resurrecting him should be to slap him in the face and call him a idiot.

>>4689409
Agreed. And then immediately slap ourselves in the face and call Shinji an idiot for thinking he'd wait years to get his daughter back.

Call in thirty.

>>4689391
>Tell the two of them that after the war is resolved, that you'll deal with Acht together.
>Offer to take the two of them to Kiritsugu's body.

>>4689391
Offer to take the two of them to Kiritsugu's body then what they want to do about the einzburn

>>4689391

>Offer to take them to the dormant body, although warn them it won't be a pleasant sight
>Tell them we'll support them in whatever way they need
>Let them talk in private

"I can show you Kiritsugu's body, if you want... but... it's not really a pretty sight, and I don't think you'll benefit much by looking at it." Honestly, taking them to see Kiritsugu right now is... well, not only is Archer still in the room, but there's nothing to be gained from letting the two of Kiritsugu's children look at his current body, but you still feel obligated to ask the two of them regardless.

"...No. I... I don't want to see his body if it's as bad as you say. I'll... I'll wait until we get his soul back before I do. I want to make my next meeting with my father a happy one." Illya denies your offer, and you look to Shirou, who nods apparently in agreement, though you half expected to be denied, you still had to make the offer.

"I feel the same. I don't want to see my father's body until he's back in it, Shinji. I'm... angry enough as it is, and I've waited years to see my father again, I can wait a few more days." You notice that Shirou is still tightly clenching his fists... yeah, perhaps it would be for the best that you don't continue to fuel hatred in the boy who wants to save everyone, it's probably not going to be good for anybody involved, especially not Acht, and speaking of Acht...

"After the war... After the war, we're going to go and... deal with the Einzbern. I don't want to destroy them totally, as that would be pointless, all of the maids are innocent of sin, and the only one who is really at fault is Acht himself. While I haven't got as much personal investment in this as you two, obviously, I can't just stand by and let them continue doing this, especially not if Acht is planning on creating some sort of superior homunculus army." An army with access to the time altering magecraft of the Emiya family would very much be capable of fighting Servants quite easily, especially if they were created in great enough numbers that they massively outnumbered them, of course, this is mere speculation as to what Acht might be planning with Kiritsugu's genetic material, but you don't really see any other reason he might've had for keeping him alive like he has other than something like this. It's not really like Acht isn't fully complicit with the idea of cheating in the grail war anyway. "Illya... do you think that you could lead the Einzbern to prosperity if you were in charge of the family?" Illya would with any luck finally do away with their doomed wish of attaining the Third through the Grail War. It's not impossible for the Einzbern family to actually learn how to attain the Third Magic once more through other methods anyway! After all, Touko's form of puppetry is something close to the Third Magic, so surely it's possible to reach it through research! Alternatively, your ability to interface with the Root without any permanent drawbacks to yourself... it might make it possible to actually grant Illya the Third Magic directly! Of course, that idea is something you immediately disregard, it's not really like you can use your ability like that without an open pathway to the Root, and those tend to be quite difficult to find, especially ones that are actually directly linked to people. Roa and Shiki are exceptionally rare cases, and it's only due to pure coincidence that they just happened to be in the exact same city... in the exact same house.

"I... I think I would be able to do that... Though it's not really like I've been groomed to lead the family, I've got nothing to my name other than a meaningless title that signifies that I'm the 'head of the family', even though Acht still calls all the shots. I've only really been taught what I need to know in order to represent the Einzbern in this grail war."

"You shouldn't worry about that too much, Illya, leading is surprisingly easy if you are surrounded by nothing but people who are fanatically loyal to you and would die to protect you." Really, you can't think of many things that would be easier than leading the Einzbern considering that the entirety of the house is composed of homunculi who would never even think of betraying their masters. Even the ones with more mental development would happily die if they thought they were being of benefit to their master. "Besides, it's not like you'd have to lead the Einzbern all by yourself, I'm sure you could always ask Saber for help if you run into problems."

"Alright... I..." Illya looks you in the eye. "I don't want you to kill Jubstacheit." Illya suddenly says something completely unexpected, and you pause for a moment as you look at her.

"You... what?" You can only question her in dumb disbelief for a moment, that she wouldn't wish for the death of the man who has wronged her in so many ways, but then when you see the slight smile on her face, you understand the reason for her request immediately, she doesn't want you to kill him for one reason and one reason only.

"I want to kill him... or I want Kiritsugu, or Shirou to kill him. I... appreciate your help and I will take you up on it when the time comes, but... this is a family issue, and I just can't accept Jubstacheit being slain by somebody he hasn't personally wronged." A great flame of hatred for her 'grandfather' now burns in Illya's eyes. A lifetime of deception and trickery on Acht's part is about to come back to bite him quite terribly. Illya's temper is really quite legendary, and he should know that first hand considering that he was one of the people who helped foster it to be so great.

"I understand, when we go to have you take control of the Einzbern, I'll leave Jubstacheit's fate to you, Shirou and Kiritsugu." Yeah, there's absolutely no way that Acht is going to survive after he's done so much wrong personally to this family. If Archer and Shirou are mad, and Illya is furious, then Kiritsugu himself must be absolutely livid. It would be one thing if Acht just killed him, but to basically just rub it in his face that he was teaching his own daughter to loathe him? You can't imagine anything that would make a man like Kiritsugu want to kill you more after all that he has sacrificed than deceiving Illya into hating him for abandoning her, even while he was at her side the entire time! You decide that now would probably be a good time to give the two some time to speak with each other, and you turn to leave the room, you shouldn't get distracted again, you've got a busy day "I've got to gather everyone up now, so I'll need everyone in the dining room in about half an hour."

"Alright, we'll meet you there, Shinji." Shirou says, his voice strained still, he's clearly suffering from the idea of feeling hatred for a man who he's never even met before, but you really can't blame him. You leave the room without any more words exchanged, with any luck, the two siblings will be able to comfort each other about what has happened, it will be an excellent opportunity for Shirou's relationship with Illya to become a true loving relationship of brother and sister.

As you walk through the corridors, you find yourself wondering if there's anything else you need to take care of before you return to Fuyuki...

>Go and see one of your allies. (For what?)
>Just gather everyone up and depart for Fuyuki.
>Go and speak to Akiha one last time before leaving.
>See if you can't track down Kouma, and failing that, ask Medea if she can find him.
>Write-in...

>>4689561
Still think we need to ask Betty what's wrong.

>>4689561
>Go and see Betty and try to get her to understand that she doesn't mean any less to us now that Alitheia is here.

>>4689563
Agreed. As good a time as any

>>4689561
>>Go and speak to Akiha one last time before leaving.
>>See if you can't track down Kouma, and failing that, ask Medea if she can find him.
>>Go see Betty
eh why not, not like we'll have an excuse to see Akiha again, plus Kouma is based, I want to fight him either one on one or with all our bros

>>4689561
>>4689569
+1

>>4689561
>Write-in...
>Ask medea if she can track down Ayaka
We might as well do this since we have the time.

>>4689561
>>4689569
Support. May I also add in
>write in...
Hug Betty as tightly as you can and pat her head.

>>4689569
>>4689561
Support

>>4689561
>>4689569
+1

>>4689561
>>4689573
+1

>>4689561
>Go and see Betty and try to get her to understand that she doesn't mean any less to us now that Alitheia is here.
>Go and speak to Akiha one last time before leaving.
>See if you can't track down Kouma, and failing that, ask Medea if she can find him.
Finish the loose end that is Tsukihime with Akiha, then meet Kouma and arrange that fight whether all the bros against him or a 1v1.

>>4689580
>Hug Betty as tightly as you can and pat her head.
I think we should stop writing in for Shinji to "hug as tightly as you can" since he's a super-swole chad martial artist this timeline. It's easy to forget that since WhatIs never describes that. Speaking of WhatIs, he really does have a thing for main characters in suits and fancy clothing, doesn't he? Wouldn't be surprised if he sticks with that as a QM writing trait

>>4689619
The fancy suit /qst/ zeitgeist has been around a lot longer than What has.
Hell, you could argue that it predates /qst/ itself, a disproportionate amount of quest protagonists are dapper dressers.
And yeah, being buff loses its meaning when you start dealing with beings that are orders of magnitude stronger that the strongest human by default, but the extra endurance helps when you need to go through several life-threatening events per day.

>>4689561
>>Go and see Betty and try to get her to understand that she doesn't mean any less to us now that Alitheia is here.
>>Go and speak to Akiha one last time before leaving.
>>See if you can't track down Kouma, and failing that, ask Medea if she can find him.

>>4689619
It's funny, because in an earlier update, Satsuki hugged you and almost squeezed the life out of you by accident.
>>4689627
I'm surprised you haven't asked one of the Casters for some reinforced clothing. You go through a lot of suits.

>>4689664
It's a sign of affluence to lose a high quality suit in a fight every day of the week.

Oh and uh... Vote called.

>>4689619
>since he's a super-swole chad martial artist this timeline
i always assumed that he was more fit than swole, yk, like a light weight boxer sorta build

>>4689717
Yeah, it's more the build of a lightweight boxer, and while he could bulk up to a middleweight build if he wanted, there's not really much point.

>>4689726
That's pretty much what I envisioned, it would be a bit incongruous if Shinji was a Fist of the North Star character among Nasu's svelte tube people.

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>>4689755
You'll have to wait until you're a little taller to be able to pull off the Juza look.
You're still only just about 18 right now.

>>4689761
I pray we can be as fucking cool as Juza was.

"Betty." You call out to the girl following you down the corridors. Both Medea and Betty remained silent despite physically accompanying you to Illya's room, the two of them probably just knew that their input was unneeded and might've made the situation worse if they tried to add their own thoughts on the matter, not that Betty even seems to really care that much about a man she's never met before. Medea certainly wouldn't have helped though, especially not if she went into any sort of detail on whatever magical procedures that Kiritsugu's body has been put through.

"Yes, Master?" Betty is quick to respond to you calling her name, and you're glad that she's seemingly not tired yet, she hasn't fallen asleep for a while, so she is probably due to fall asleep at any moment, honestly. It's a habit of hers that you've learned to live with.

"I want you to understand that I don't want you to feel jealous about Alítheia." Still, you need to share some important words with the girl, and she did seem just a little bit put out by the rather sudden creation and existence of your daughter. "You don't mean any less to me now that Alítheia is here, Betty." While you aren't really certain just what it is that Betty wants, it might just be the case that she doesn't want anything. Seeing as the entirety of her power comes from the being lending her a small portion of its own strength, then that might just mean that Foreigner Servants are summoned by the wishes of that being and not the being they are lending their power to. BB didn't seem very capable of defying the wishes of Nyarlathotep at all... Urgh, dealing with her is going to be one hell of a headache in almost every possible way. Hopefully she plays nice seeing as Nyarlathotep seems to have her on something of a tight leash. AI she might be, but she probably went a little too far in trying to steal the power of a cosmic being beyond mortal comprehension for the sake of effectively, a prank. You can't really say you feel at all bad for BB for getting effectively used as a cosmic errand girl, but the fact that she shares Sakura's face does bring you just the slightest amount of guilt at allowing her to be treated like that. You snap out of that thought pretty rapidly. Sakura's face or not, BB is most certainly not Sakura at all, she's nothing but a simulacrum of Sakura constructed in turn by a simulacrum of Sakura.

"OK, Master... but... you seemed so happy when you were around her..." Well, you can't really argue against that point, you were very happy to actually find yourself with a daughter, even though the circumstances were bizarre, it still activated some sort of paternal instinct within your body that enabled you to recognize that Alítheia was truly your daughter, and somebody who needed to be protected. "You don't... You don't ever seem that happy around me..." Oh, so... she actually is jealous about Alítheia being your daughter then?

>"I could always adopt you, if you'd like."
>"What are you saying Betty? I'm always happier when you're around!"
>Hug Betty. "You'll always be my Servant, Betty, no matter what else happens."
>"Well, how would you like me to fix things?"
>Write-in...

>>4689844
>"What are you saying Betty? I'm always happier when you're around!"
>Hug Betty. "You'll always be my Servant, Betty, no matter what else happens."
>"I could always adopt you, if you'd like."

>>4689844
"Well, how would you like me to fix things?"
>"I could always adopt you, if you'd like."
You were always a natural daughter to me anyways.

>>4689844
>>4689859
+1