Previous threads: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=The%202nd%20Primarch%20QuestYou are Lieren of Nothing, Leader of the rebellion against the Tyrants of Yan, Great hunter of the wilds, Hero of the common folk, Wise philosopher, slayer of many wicked villains and terrible monsters, Bringer of benevolence and nurturer of prosperity and friend of the virtuous and downtrodden. And unknown to even yourself the second son of the emperor of mankind and a father of a legion of transhuman warriors called astartes.Having secured the loyalty of the wild vishnu tribes, and taking on the surviving children of the tiger men as your students, you finished your hunt, deposing Mao Bolin and his family from their seat of power, while inventing a new form of martial arts and method of schooling to teach your feline faced students the ways of civilized and wise men. Returning to your forces at last, you learned of the victories won by your four generals and of the tragedy that occured at the battle against Kang Yongrui and his men.For while all three of the battles waged were won by the Liberation army, one of your close friends and personal guards, was struck dead by a revolver that the Heir of the Kang had stolen before being brought before Dai Niu, who has suffered great dishonor and loss of face for perpetrating the treachery you ordered him to commit by luring the Kang into a trap by acting as though he was still allied with them.Overcome with grief, you focused your emotional energy to forge a new form of rifle and type of armor that could better resist the impact of bullets. Having thus calmed yourself, you turned once more to matters concerning the war, and against conventional wisdom and suggested actions presented by your four kings of war, chose to move your army through the Bone Devouring forest, to cut a safe path straight to the former lands of Mao.And in doing so, avoid attacking the remaining Yan forces from any direction the Old Fox of Yan, Yan Zihao, would expect your army to come from. This would allow you bypass the forces he had left upon the Borders of the defeated Xue and Kang lands, no doubt anticipating your preference to strike from multiple angles simultaneously.Taking the abandoned Mao castle as a staging ground, you allowed the majority of your forces to rest after the hardships of passing through and conquering the Bone Devouring Forest. Meanwhile, you had sent scouting parties, lead by your friends and brothers in all but blood from nothing, Feng, Liang, and Dong, and your wild hearted Guard, Bai, who had become close with the brothers of panthers. Their orders were to find the armies of Yan and Yin and report their movements and position back to you, so you may better plan your armies next move.cont
>>4651156However, you were restless, and returned to mountain lair of the living corpse puppet master, and his foul yet unseen master, as a strong feeling of unease had come to your mind as you once again past by that foul place, as you accompanied your army through the Bone Devouring forest. And felt as if the Unseen master would strike from the shadows at any moment, and had not joined his mummified student in death as you had assumed it had before. Traveling into the sealed mountain caverns once again, you took time to study the murals of the temple forgotten by time and research its art, while meditating on the nature of your invisible foes life and "death". This revealed to you many secrets, and possibilities of the nature of this world and that of the dead. Most importantly, it revealed to you a hidden history of Shangrala, and a story of men from the stars beset by strange storms and calamities and how they degenerated into a religion of evil men twisted into the most abominable shapes. Realizing the significance of the earlier murals and the truth of how human life came to settle upon Shangrala, you bravely journeyed deeper beneath the planets surface, in the search of devils and spirits even fouler than the Unseen master himself, or perhaps the source of the mutative and corruptive crystals that dotted the mountain's stone.Instead, you found a craft, ancient beyond reckoning, and filled with knowledge and machinery from the time men sailed through the stars and rule the heavens. After exploring the wreck of strange, almost living steel, and experience the wonders and mysteries of the long abandoned vessel, you discovered it was no only active, but alive and possessing a consciousness of its own.She called herself Kanzeon, and while she was initially suspicious of your motivations for plundering the treasures within her bodies, soon began to grow close and even friendly with you, as you allowed her to look within your mind and read to her the entirety of your journey. Realizing this ancient being had been alone for eons and craved contact and companionship, you promised to return and eased her temper and dangerous thoughts by remaining within her for awhile longer, being allowed to enter the "heart" and core of her being, to discuss philosophy at length and to learn from her, the history of humanity as she knew it. The knowledge revealed to you by this ancient soul, unervered and even horrified you by its implications.But you were not deterred by the tragedies of the past, and left Kanzeon to lead your armies once again, planning on finding a way to free her from her prison at a later date.Upon returning to Mao castle, you learned of something far fouler than the secrets of the past revealed to you. The leaders of your scouting forces, returned alive, but bearing grave news.cont
>>4651158The armies of Yan Zihao, and the two generals of the Northern Yin, Yin Aiguo and Yin Huizhong had been taking the women and children of the lands still under their control under the pretense of offering them protection from the armies of the "ogre", as well as forcefully conscripting every man within those lands, under threat of death.Enraged by the wicked and atrocious deeds of your enemy, you were not allowed time to calm your emotions, before you were alerted to the presence of an Envoy from the shattered kingdoms of the Vishnu, who had come to Mao Castle bearing gifts, lead by Lai Song and escorted by a group of hardened Vishnu Warriors.Without wasting any time, you ordered your generals to be gathered and the captive Kang Yongrui to be brought to you, while you went to meet with this Envoy.The man, called Dhanajay, presented himself as a servant of the Vishnu King, Nitya Sinha, who had expanded his borders by conquering his rival lords. He offered gifts in the form of Vishnu Steel, Exotic food, heaps of gems and gold, and Slave warriors, while talking of making the new ruling dynasty and the "King of Kings" allies rather than enemies, as the Vishnu had been with the Yan dynasty for many generations, speaking of "similarities" between the beliefs of his people and your journey.However you had a differing view, and would never see a slave taker as a prospective comrade rather than a Tyrant that needed to be dethroned. Thus, you chose to share the Story of the Long dead tax collector Ling with the conniving worm before you vand the fate that befell him, before freeing the slaves he had offered to you and telling him your demands to Nitya Sinha, the so called King of Kings.-"My answer to you, Dhanajay, servant of Nitya Sinha, foulest of tyrants" You snarl, crossing your arms as you look down upon the silk wrapped worm at the bottom of the stairs, while you remain at their peak. His grey eyes flash with confusion, then rage, then impotent fear as you smile and show your teeth like an enraged panther may."Is to offer a story from my life, that may explain the difference between the master you serve and myself. It is a story of a man much like you, who was much like yourself, a small tyrant and abuser of the common folk. A thief of fortunes he had no right to take" You say genially, turning your snarl into a welcoming, almost friendly smile as Dhanajay looks back to his enslaved soldiers with confusion, no doubt wondering if you had misspoken or simply did not realize the meaning of the words you had used.But he was much too cowardly and meek to interrupt you. March down the stairs, the riflemen standing at attention upon them part before you."You see, Tax Collector Ling, was an ambitious and greedy man, who believed himself and the service he provided indispensable to the lord her served. The last lord of the Gao lineage" You spoke calmly and sweetly, as if speaking to a child. cont
>>4651159Dhananjay tugs at one of his many rings, looking back towards his collared warriors.The six Vishnu chief look to you with Jackal grins, having heard this story before. They as a people, enjoyed hearing the endeserving being removed from positions and power they had not earned."Gao Liwei, a man of bottomless cruelty, greedier than even his worm of a servant. Ling never quite understood how disposable he was, he was a simple tax collector, any man who had studied mathematics even in the most basic form, would be able to take his place" You explain calmly as you reach the bottom of the stairs, standing directly before the Vishnu Envoy and his entourage of slaves "He saw himself as an important, and trusted confident, of the slug of Gao. So much so, that he, after many years of work, figured out what lord Gao would not notice missing, grain and riches of all kinds he could, divert into his own pockets"Dhananjay listens closely, trying to see what lesson you're trying to show him, or the hidden meaning within your words, the reason you have suddenly ceased speaking to him of alliances and the bribes he had presented to you, to try and understand why you were talking of a random and unimportant tax collector."It was how he came into more wealth than his salary would allow, he, when given orders to drain the lands of wealth they did not have, to take a heavier tribute grain from starving villages at the height of a famine, would take even more taxes than he had been asked to collect" You say, pausing to suck on your teeth, turning your eyes to the rising sun before you began to speak again "After all, it was a privilege of his station and all it would take for Ling to get away with these wicked deeds, would be to not record these "losses" of extra tithes, and to treat them as gifts given directly to his own treasury""What is the point of this story?" Dhananjay wheezes, coughing his mouth as the wind whips dust and sand across his face "It's going nowhere""Oh but it is, for all men share the same fate, Dhananjay" You say, widening your smile into a grin, knowing how terrifying it must seem to the snake standing at your feet "For you see, no peasant could strike against Tax Collector Ling, and any who refused his outrageous requests, would be squashed beneath the Iron fist of Gao Liwei"For emphasis you drive your hand into the stone path between you and the quivering envoy, your fingers sinking into the stone as if it were mud. Dramatically, you lift a large cobblestone into the air, and crumble it to dust and pebbles between your hands, showering the Envoy in both as he falls onto his back from sheer fright and panic.Cheers fill the silence, as your men praise your show of strength. None cheer louder than the Vishnu, and none louder than their chiefs.Laughing you dust your hands off, and continue your tale. cont
>>4651161"Many men, guilty of only trying to keep themselves and their families alive, were killed because of the greed of men like Ling, and Ling himself. Children starved, women starved, Men starved, Elders starved. The land became wrung dry of wealth, of food, of hope, and of happiness" You explain, throwing your gaze downward as you sorrowfully recount the story, before standing proudly once more "The land and its people were abused, and broken like an old Ox""Is this why you're revolting? is that why you're telling me this?" Dhananjay sputters as you nod "Well, I understand then, I know of your peoples plight and""You do not, allow me to continue, for you see, I was born into these harsh times, and saw the sorrows and grief they had brought to my father, my brothers, my kinfolk. And at an early age, I grew to despise men like this, who would take when they were already far wealthier than the men they extorted " You explain, slouching to look into the envoy's eyes, kneeling to lower yourself closer to his height "And I met Tax Collector Ling, I had spent a winter rebuilding the ruins his master had forced my kin to live in upon pain of death, taking a village of men starved of hope and grain, and bringing unheard of prosperity to its people, Making the land fertile once more and turning the sons of this once dying village into great warriors"Dhananjay struggles to breath as you pause to take and breath and exhale it directly onto his face."Ling, saw the great things I had achieved, the Miracle of reversing such calamity and misfortune, of saving starving men and making them strong once more" You say, standing tall once again "He saw an opportunity, to make himself wealthier, from my labor, and the labor of my kin. He even thought to try and goad me with threats of Lord Gao's fury, to force me to accompany him to his court to present to that wicked man is I were a treasure he had found, to increase his status and further his reach"You sigh as you remember those days and shake your head."Gao Liwei took me as his servant, an administrator, to utilize the wisdom and body I had been blessed with, while Ling, oh foolish Ling, began to fall from his master's favour" You say, as the envoy now realizes the lesson you are seeking to impart to him "For he had a much more able and much more irreplaceable servant by his side. One who could bring jade from nothing, who brought prosperity and wealth wherever he tred . Ling was no longer useful, but he was a fool, he saw me as a friend indebted to him for the station he had led me, and never saw the disdain I held for him, as he continued to obstruct my work by bleeding the very same people I sought to raise up from the poverty they had been born and forced to live within. Do you know what happened to Ling?"cont
>>4651162Dhananjay simply shakes his head."He, blinded by pride and greed, was only able to realize how little his master truly cared for him and his servitude, when another had taken his place as his favoured servant. Yet he did not cease acting as if Lord Gao would avenge his death with fury tenfold that of his killers" You laugh before images of Ling's mutilated form rush through your mind and sour your tongue, causing you to halt your laughter near instantly "He stole, he lied, and he cheated. But, I was far more clever than that rat, you see. I gave him all he asked and more, but recorded what I had sent to Gao Liwei's pocket, and what had arrived. When Ling's life lost what little worth it held to me, I penned his final fate and signed the command for his execution" Dhananjay is now crying and drooling like a man struck dumb or returned to an infantile state.You shake your head and throw your arms in a dramatic shrug."Alas, alas, I had underestimated the depths of Lord Gao's cruelty. For the torture he gave to a man who had once been his closest advisor and dearest servant, remains one of the most monstrous sights these golden eyes of mine have beheld" You say softly and gently "His greed, his ambitions, were all slowly snuffed out along with his life. Lord Gao, had all of his skinned removed, except for his head and hands, to reflect his greed and allow all to witness the horror Ling felt as he was brutalized"The envoy babbles a word, it may have been a plea for you to stop, but he is unable to command his tongue."Then, the parts that make him a man were removed, His nails were pulled out along with his liar's tongue, which was nailed to his forehead' You say, grimacing as you recount the fate of your first enemy to all who have the stomach to listen "Ling bled blood and secrets in equal manner, before the torture truly began, he exposed the true nature of Gao's court, and so he was made to suffer, he screamed even after his tongue had been nailed to his head. He could scream no longer as his master branded and burned him, for the crime of stealing from him and for exposing what he and his followers truly were"You snort and shake your head once again, forcing yourself to keep smiling so you do not snarl like a wild animal."Gao, kept him in such a pitiful state, skinless, cooked, mute and emasculated for half a season, Lord Gao was not known for his intellect, but he had a talent for torture and knew ways to continue it almost indefinitely. When he grew bored with this game, he used heated needles to put out Ling's eyes with his own hands" You continue as Dhananjay soils his silks with a stream of steaming vomit and bile "And then, tied his mutilated form to six different horses, and had him torn into six different pieces. What remained of Ling was nailed in front of the city gates, so all who traveled the road I had built could see his fate. Such pointless, meaningless cruelty"cont
>>4651164You turn your eyes back down to the quivering pile that was the envoy, coated in his own sick and fouler discharges."I consider Ling's fate to be one of the gravest mistakes I've made in my life, I have no love for Tyrants, even small ones like Ling" You say softly as you walk up to the Vishnu and grab the collars offered to you "But torture, is a crime that I consider to be surmounted by only a handful of others in terms of sheer vileness" Gripping both of the collars, stacking one over the other, you begin to pull them in opposite directions. The metal groans as you clench your jaw and snarl. The metal bands begin to bend and malform, before they finally snap into two, with a cloud of sparks and fire. You drop the remains of both in surprise, the stench of burning metal and chemicals clinging to you. That was unexpected."One of these crimes which surpasses it in wickedness, is slavery" You say, banishing the black, billowing smoke with a wave of your hands "I shall take the gift of freedom, and give it to the men you have treated like cattle"Dhananjay looks at you scornfully, before he remembers your forces far out number his, and that you had turned solid stone to dust before his very eyes."Very well" He mutters, his voice hollow and defeated "That is the gift the great king Nitya Sinha, shall give to you, as a token of your budding friendship"He pulls a small slip of iron from his ruined robes, and presses down upon it after waving it ritualitically in the air, near one of his brooches. The ruby eyes of which suddenly begin to glow.With a loud hiss, the collars on his entourage unlatch, and all of them collapse to the ground, sobbing and gulping down air, tearing and pulling at their necks to remove the now depowered collars. Many of them soil themselves, or begin to vomit a strange white foam."A good start, however, if the great Nitya Sinha, truly desires my friendship, when you return to him, tell him the Giant from Nothing demands he frees every slave within the borders of his kingdom, or else court death dealt by my hands" You say happily, walking past the envoy to help one of the worse affected of his former servants up"Praise be! Praise be! Praise be!" the man wails, hugging you tightly, crying like a mourning mother as he clings to you. Kamakshi pulls him off of you, looking quite annoyed."Courts above, what did you do?" Lai Song asks, looking confused and somewhat horrified by the turn of events "What manner of sorcery was that?"You purse your lips."Not sorcery, technology" You answer, speaking Yan once again. Aruna walks up to Dhananjay, with fury in his eyes beneath the skull painted over his face."Devilry" He snarls, hand falling to the sword he inherited from his father, Jayesh "You have taken the souls of our brother Vishnu, and turned them into dogs, I would have your head if your blood would not so sully my blade"cont
>>4651169What will you do with the envoy, Lieren?>Allow the Vishnu, both wild and recently freed, to enact their justice upon the man>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)>Lift the worm from the ground and politely ask him of the other technology the Vishnu hold, before ensuring he is treated fairly and well >Ignore Dhananjay, and simply return to the war room, the plan your next move against the Yan with your generals.>write in?
>>4651175>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)>Lift the worm from the ground and politely ask him of the other technology the Vishnu hold, before ensuring he is treated fairly and well then we throw him to the ground and go to see our generals
>>4651175>>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)>>Lift the worm from the ground and politely ask him of the other technology the Vishnu hold, before ensuring he is treated fairly and well
>>4651175>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)>Lift the worm from the ground and politely ask him of the other technology the Vishnu hold, before ensuring he is treated fairly and wellEnvoys should be treated well.
>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)>Lift the worm from the ground and politely ask him of the other technology the Vishnu hold, before ensuring he is treated fairly and well
>>4651175>>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)
>>4651175>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)>Lift the worm from the ground and politely ask him of the other technology the Vishnu hold, before ensuring he is treated fairly and wellWe got bloody high riders to hang after Yan.
>>4651175>>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)>Write in: Raising a single hand and bringing your commanding voice to bear once more,"This man's life holds value to me in the form of a single task." With a final glare cast towards the walking worm and an outstretched palm containing a Vishnu translation of The Journey,"Deliver this to your master posthaste. I truly wish for him to see the error of his ways but I know for certain he will see how... incompatible I am with those who treat men as livestock."Forgive my words. Dialogue is far from my usual forte.
>>4651175>>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)>>write in?We should also send along with him one of our mid-tier generals, (sorry I cant remember all these names) with a group of soldiers. This way we can keep an eye and we 'make sure they fulfill their end of the friendship.'
>>4651175>>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)>>Lift the worm from the ground and politely ask him of the other technology the Vishnu hold, before ensuring he is treated fairly and wellI wonder if they have any unique bits of archeotech like the butcher's nails. Hopefully nothing that barbaric, but it'd be interesting to see how isolated instances of advanced technology melds with their presumably feudal society.
>>4651175Explain to the envoy that our Vishnu friends had a bad history with sorcery. It would be within his best interest to explain how it functions, less something unfortunate happen.
>>4651287This could be worth digging into. There might be a chance that the Vishnu got this tech/sorcery near the fallen sight of a crashed settlers space ship. It would be in our and our space friend's interest to find out. It would be a crying shame to find that the ship has been scavenged though.
>>4651188Support.Lets keep the slave collars and the deactivation device, for study and maybe we can figure out a way to create a "One key opens all" type varient.
>>4651349Because waving a magic wand and making all the slaves no longer slaves, especially in a war setting with this dehabilitating effect of them coming off, we would have a real power to it.
>>4651175>>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)>Lift the worm from the ground and politely ask him of the other technology the Vishnu hold, before ensuring he is treated fairly and well Envoy vomits, shits and pisses himself. Good lord Malal.
>>4651385Gonna cry?piss your pants maybe?maybe...SHIT AND LIBERATE!?
>>4651175>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)>Lift the worm from the ground and politely ask him of the other technology the Vishnu hold, before ensuring he is treated fairly and well"My friends and trusted generals, your fury is righteous but allow me to give an use to this worm. He may know more about this things."Indicate the collars"I don t wish to be unprepared in disabiling such devices in the future, my commanders. I hope you can understand my decision." Call an officer of our soldiers"Have this ex-slaves clean, feed and given rest and clothing. If they need medicines or treatments do that as well."Then look at the diplomat directly in the eyes."Diplomat Dhananjay, i suggest you to tell me about the devices. My mood and the one of my court has already being shaken today, so i hope you tell me what i want without any embellishments or half truths. And upon your return to your "king", reflect on your treachery and the ones of your kingdom towards your own kin"."Make no mistake though, my diplomatic manners will run thin faster than the ones of my men, if you don t tell me what i want to know."
>>4651444No need to warn him about the thinness of our patience. We did that with lings story, and what's more in the off chance this warlord listens to our demand and repents, we shall need to deal with these unsavory individuals further.But I doubt the warlord has virtue enough to become an ally.
>>4651349>>4651381Our AI friend could probably just hack into the collars and force them to open.
>>4651463If they could interact, maybe.
>>4651175>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)
>>4651463Assuming a lot there
>>4651497If she can study them and we either make, help make, or come across something that could boost the signal, I think there's a fair chance we can do it. Not without work though.
>>4651497The metal melted right? So it's probably made from the same thing as those doors in the ship.It's not that big of a logic leap to think that Kanzeon would now how to jailbreak them.
>>4651499Again assuming a lot here without studying them yet. You could be right, or you could be wrong.>>4651514I dont see any mentions of the collars melting, only sparking and some metal cloud bits. Reread and quote me if I'm wrong.
>>4651550>Again assuming a lot here without studying them yet.They're remote controlled. We know a DaoT AI. Remote controls were well within the wheelhouse of DaoT craftsmen. That Kanzeon could invent something to fuck with them is not an unreasonable inference.>You could be right, or you could be wrong.Those possibilities has existed for every person with enough mental fortitude to form an assumption about something.
RepostingWhat is the geography of Shangrala like?
>>4651550I read "the stench of burning metal and chemical" and thought thay melted when we ripped it off, but rereading it I think that's not necessarily true.
>>4651570Nah, they probably had their wirings damaged when we tore it in half, which would cause them to catch fire.The use chemicals to control, pacify, kill or influence the person who wears it, as we can see by the guys who started coughing up foam when it was taken off them.
>>4651561Fairly varied? We've seen mountains, swamps, forests, and rivers. I don't think we've heard anything about where the Vishnu, Shunni, and Bask live, but I'd assume jungles, deserts, and mediterranean. That's just based off of the real life hindu, sunni, and basque homelands, Malal could have pulled a fast one on us there and given them completely different climates.
And a bit late, so I've no expectation of this getting supported, but it may be an idea to give the envoy a more succinct breakdown of what our philosophy and goal is, namely what we told Gao."I will bring Prosperity to every, man, woman and child in Yan and upon Shangrila and I shall slay every tyrant who tries to stand against us.
>>4651561>> Shangrala, Classification: Feudal world. This planet is primarily made of vast fields and plains, with mountains and lost technology serving to create a near ever present fog in the lower parts the valleys and hills. It is ruled by warring kingdoms lead by depraved & hedonistic kings given patronage and a divine right to rule by the eight celestial courts.
>>4651556If the Vishnu has DaoT like this, dont you think they would had dominated the Yan a long time ago?
>>4651769if all they have are slave collars and other similar shit that isn't directly applicable to combat. No.
>>4651769Never said they did. I said that DaoT technology can probably interfere with whatever principle the collars function on.
>>4651733I meant more in how many continents are there? Several like Terra or a Pangaea type supercontinent deal? And oceans as well, which would greatly influence how our conquest may be influenced.
If you guys excuse the sperg I'm about to write for a second, I've been thinking of our Legion's Tactics and specialties in war and how we'll aid the Great Crusade. From the way that Lieren organizes his army now and goes about leading it, it strikes me that our forces will most likely be generalists in a similar vein to the Dark Angels, Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus and Ultramarines. If we look at our structure now, we seem to rely on splintering our forces to engage the enemy on multiple fronts, using those forces unique talents and bringing out the best of them. With his gaze Lieren seems to be able to almost instantly ascertain the measure of a person, and in doing so seems to see how they need to improve and what they're already good at. Taking all of this into more consideration, I suspect that he'd split roles into his companies and have them specialize in certain tasks, for example a theoretical First Brotherhood; could focus on stealth, recon and melee combat, much like our existing brotherhood of the panther. The theoretical second brother hood could be focused on heavy artillery and siege craft, much like our current artillery forces. The third could be swift outriders like the lord of cavalry's forces etc etc etc What I'm getting at is we're very likely to be similar to the dark angels specializations of their circles, but on a broader level if that makes any sense. Lieren also appreciates free thinking and people capitalizing on their instincts, which would make a force that's very good at acting independently when needed. Sorry for the long post, I just needed to get my thoughts out.
>>4652837Constructive sperging is good, no harm there. I like the idea of our legion being like more fluid Dark Angels and I think that works thematically. They were the first, we are the second. Improvements are to be expected. The only gripes I have is with the first company not being veterans, but that's nothing to worry about, numbers can be shifted around. Speaking of tactics, I was struck by one the other day. In order to take a fortress on an island, during the crusade, we could send damaged, stripped-down gunships and allow them to be shot down on their approach by the fortress's defenses. From there, the marines could climb out of the wreckage, melta bomb their way in through inevitable weak points, like sewer grates or maintenance hatches, and take it from the inside out. Now, that's an incredibly specific scenario and probably won't ever come to pass, but I was struck by the image of marines in mark II diving suits walking across the seafloor.
>>4652837I don't think that's a terrible idea, breaking up the 2nd Legion into "Brotherhoods" and all that.besides the 3 you suggested, I have a few ideas of my own.>a Brotherhood composed of combat engineers and experts on fortification and equipment maintenance.>a Brotherhood composed of generally trained, but not quite specialized battle brothers, usually staffed by younger Astartes and able to supplement any Brotherhood that is found wanting for support in battleI also suggest we send some members of each Brotherhood to the other Legions who share their specialties as a method of joint training.This will also allow us to get a some idea as to how other Legions are doing internally during the Crusade.
>>4652948The use of gutted gunships as a means of concealing troop deployment sounds like something we'd do desu.We should find a name for that tactic at some point and mention it to Guilliman. He might just add it to the first edition of the Codex Asartes.
>>4652837>>4652948>>4652958I like these
>>4652991I'll try and make a rough diagram based on our ramblings so we can get a better idea of potential rank and company structures in our Legion.
>>4652958>>a Brotherhood composed of generally trained, but not quite specialized battle brothers, usually staffed by younger Astartes and able to supplement any Brotherhood that is found wanting for support in battleI think this is a good idea. Right after they finish conversion, a serving a mandatory amount of years or missions as a part of the nth brotherhood would also serve as a way to sort new recruits into whichever new brotherhoods they'd be best in.
Should there be marines that serve as some sort of general in an imperial army?
>>4653007I don't think it's quite necessary or advisable to put Astartes in long term command positions within the Astra Militarum.The Astra Militarum never really runs out of qualified leaders to begin with, and any Astartes with leadership potential would be better served commanding other Asartes.The only time I think it's directly necessary for an Astartes to be given command of any group of Guardsmen is when there's a joint operation going on between the two branches.
>>4652958One would argue that sending brothers to other legions for join training could be the progenitor of the Deathwatch which is an excellent arm of the Astartes even if it is at the beck and call of the Ordo Xenos
>>4653020It's a bit of a risk, but I believe that human Commanders with astartes advisors might be a good idea. Also we really should get our marines to care about and love regular humans as much as possible, we don't want them thinking they're better than everyone else just cuz they have our geneseed. Hell, lieren is a primarch and although he knows he's different, he'll probably never believe himself above humans
>>4653240Astartes advisors are for joint operations, it's the same reason we don't want to follow the earlier idea from last thread about turning a portion of our astartes into bureaucrats that stay behind on a world we have rebuilt to rule it in our stead.There is a time and a duration where these ideas are viable, and that duration is not permanent.That being said, you're never going to stop all of that hate and negativity but if we do a Lorgar then we should be able to get a 90 to 99% coverage and convert them to the Journey.
>>4653258>doing a LorgarAnon, Lorgar and the Word Bearers were the least productive and slowest legion of the Crusade. The only thing that would save the worlds we uplift from getting Monarchia'd is the fact the Journey doesn't yet feature a god or godlike figure. And I think that last bit might have to change once we meet dad.
>>4653283The WB's got their chastisement for being SLOW due to their insistence on making each world they dominate into a perfect model world, where no rebellion or dissent was going to rise again. The emperor worshipping shit would have been tolerated if he wasn't fucking lagging behind everyone else.But that's not what I'm on about. After taking control of the legion, within a decade Lorgar had all of them worshiping the emperor. In 10 years or less, this demi-god managed to convert thousands of astartes that he wasn't even near to his belief system through the use of informal lodges and altered training.This is the sort of thing I'm talking about, but for the journey.
>>4653290Well, the emperor shit would have been tolerated LONGER, not indefinitely.
>>4653290We have to worry about the journey going too far and all our astartes turning into puritan monks who despise humans for not being ascetic enough.And also the fact that our journey has a VERY HIGH risk of falling into nurglite shit. You know, with all the stuff about life and cycles and stuff. We have to take a lot of care.
>>4653295Zealots. Not puritans, since that course of action goes against the tenants.Anyway, maybe we should enshrine the unseen master into our texts as a devilish figure. Literally just retell the fall of the Sorcerer and "voices in the dark" without the specific setting or mentioning ourselves at all and nobody will question if it's actually real because why would it be? it's just another parable.
>>4653290Regarding a Lorgaresque approach to spreading the Journey among our ranks, we can certainly encourage its study, but don't we have a tenant down about not forcing it on others, allowing for people to discover their journey all on their own? If not, Lorgar tactics it is, but I think I remember something like that.
>>4653317I don't even think we need to follow the Lorgar approach at all for our marines given how The Journey is text written by their fucking Primarch.I'll be shocked if there's not at least a few thousands marines with passages from The Journey tattooed on them somewhere.
>>4653317It's one of our main tenants actually, and the origin of the stigma and negative connotations of the word "Tyrant" which we use against the Yan.The passage goes something like "These words are a guide, a suggestion for the path that I walk, and must be chosen willingly for only a tyrant forces you along a path, and when you meet a tyrant on the road you must slay him."But there isn't anything against encouraging the study of the book, which is what this would be. Facilitating the easier reading and interpretation of the text as intended. Attendence isn't mandatory but if we explain it's our worldview then most astartes will read it to understand why we do as we do.
>>4653326>but if we explain it's our worldview then most astartes will read it to understand why we do as we do.We should also just have a copy of it on hand at all times. Like visibly on our person.Yeah we don't actually need it since Lieren wrote the damn thing and has a Primarch's memory, but it's good for the sake symbolism and getting our astartes interested in the text.
>>4653323I think you're overestimating marine-primarch loyalty. Fulgrim, in all of his nearly psychic-levels of charisma, had to send nearly a full quarter of his Legion down to Istvaan III which then killed nearly another quarter of their own legion in defiance of their Primarch. Ditto for Mortarion and Horus, both of whom were beloved by their legion. Doubly so for Angron, who had a rebellion of marines even before the Heresy.>>4653326Ah, gotcha. Encouraging it's study and discussion is a good idea. I'd also like for us to pick up a hobby after the war, both for our own sake and for the sake of establishing unmartial traditions in our future legion. Shuihan penjing is sort of like chinese bonsai, except a whole landscape instead of just a tree, sometimes with little figurines. One might even call them miniatures...
>>4653329Maybe, not sure on the astheticis of that though. Maybe have it bound on a chain like the prayer beads the buddah had? I dunno. I leave that to the more aesthetic individuals.>>4653336I think that He's talking about the first spur of excitement that they have upon meeting their gene father. That sort of interest and enthusiasm would go pretty far.Anyway, I think we already talked about trying to seed poetry and smithing into our legion, but I won't deny that having a room on our command ship which is tended solely by Lieren would make for A] a beautiful place to relax and meditate and B] would serve as a very special show of respect to receive individuals like our brothers.
>>4653344Indeed, warriors in gardens and all that. Definitely something to encourage among our sons. I also like the idea of a large atrium for legionnaires to meet and discuss, with a big scholar's rock in the middle. I also find the image of Kurze or Mortarion or Angron standing around uncomfortably as we prune our trees very amusing
>>4653295The journey has high chance to turn into any of the chaos gods, we made it so it exemplify the good parts of each of them, like Khorne's honor, Slannesh's self-improvement and Tzeentech's hope. Nurgle acceptance is just one more part of the soup. We really need to look out for Erebus, our legion can either be chaos greatest tool or it's worst enemy.
>>4653380Bit egotistical there anon but the message is right about it.>>4653355Mmm, a public area rather than a private one is more fitting for Lierens sensibilities.
>>4652958How about we call these 'Brotherhoods' Chapters?
>>4653355>Angron visits the 2nd Legion's capital ship to discuss the terms of their Astartes Exchange program>Lieren invites him to his personal quarters>after wading through a sea of warrior monks and unusually upbeat serfs, Angron enters Lieren's zen garden>"What in the Emperor's name is this?">"...a garden? Did they not have these on Nuceria?">"You know damn well they did. I'm asking why you had one installed on your vessel.">"I find the aesthetics of gardens and the practice of keeping them a wonderful form of meditation.">"I see...">"...">"Are you just gonna keep pruning branches and humming along like an old man?">"You know, this would go a lot faster if you picked up some shears and helped."And thus Angron learns the joys of bonzai.
>>4652745Unlikely to be a Pangea like super continent. With nithing to break the air wind speeds pickup to ridiulous amiunts iver the ocean. Coastal areas get brutalized. But, the moisture from the ocean doesn't make it all the way accross and so the centre of continent becomes an arid desert like place. Given the reletively moderate temperture we've experienced its be multicontinent planet like our own.
>>4653390I mean they'd pretty much function almost exactly like chapters now that I'm researching this shit.That said, it's not like every Legion didn't have their own dumb names for the same shit. Why not ours?
>>4653389>Mmm, a public area rather than a private one is more fitting for Lierens sensibilities.No reason we can't have both. Lieren has also taken time alone to himself, but I do think it's something he would want.>>4653396KekMaybe we could get Angron into rock gardening, little bit more durable a medium than plants.
>>4653413>Maybe we could get Angron into rock gardeningI think sand gardening would be a better idea if durability is a concern. Kinda hard to destroy sand ya know.
>>4653390Doesn't sound chinese enough
>>4653421Heavenly Imperial Regiment then.
>>4653419If anyone can, it's Angron. I don't suppose there's a way to garden gases? We should ask a magos.>>4653421>>4653426Brotherhood in chinese is xiōngdì huì, but that strikes me as a bit of a mouthful. We could just call them companies like nearly everyone else. The Dark Angels' Deathwing, Ravenwing, etc. are companies, they just have more commonly used cognomen.
>>4653436>gas gardening>quite possibly the hardest naturally occuring physical medium to observe and maintainPerfect for a Primarch. I bet the Emperor has several in the Imperial Palace.
>>4653436How about packs, as in panther packs, I know they're solitary creatures but our brothers are sort of pack like
>>4653449It'll keep Angron busy for hours and he can't break it. Perfect.>>4653451Remids me of the Wolves' naming conventions and we all know it's a slippery slope. The day we fight alongside Panther Lord Xia Tao, called the Ghost Panther, of the 14th Panther Pack "the Nightpanthers," wielder of the archeotech powersword Pantherclaw is the day I vote to get Leman to put us out of our misery and use our story as a cautionary tale for his own sons.
>>4653474I think Angeron would just out and out dismiss the idea of farming.The only way he would give two shits about what we say is if we examined how we were effectively slaves to Gao until we became an admin. But even then he would probably go on an angst about how he was truly suffering while we got the cushy life.
>>4653481I don't think we'll be able to connect with him by telling him of our current accomplishments. If/When we go to war with the Vishnu, freeing all their slaves will earn us some points with him. Best way to get buddy-buddy with him was mentioned a few threads ago. We convince dad to teleport down as much of the XII's force as possible so he can hand it to the High Riders with impunity. Bonus points for style if this all happens during his final stand where he got teleported up by Emps in canon.
>>4653495He'd hate us even then for stealing his earned death.Some people just can't be reasoned with.
>>4653525He made his "peace" with dying because he knew he couldn't win with his dwindling army of gladiators. As the twelfth is of his blood and would obey any order given to them from their newly-discovered primarch with little, if any question, I think he'd be perfectly fine using them to conquer Nuceria and free the slaves. Better to slaughter your oppressors with your brothers-in-arms and the help of your new army than merely dying alongside your friends.
>>4653534He doesn't and didn't consider the 12th as his blood or his friends or his family is the problem. Only those slaves who he's been leading to battle after battle earn that distinction.I'm up for trying to help him however we can, but I am under no illusions that he will be grateful or easy to deal with.
>>4653541He doesn't/didn't consider the 12th his blood after he got to know them, after he was teleported up by the Emperor against his wishes and was forced to leave his friends to die. Now imagine, instead of that, Angron and the Eaters of Cities cornered in the mountains of Nuceria. He sees the five armies pursuing him, outnumbering him 50 to one, crest a ridge, and just as they begin their charge company after company get drop pod-ed down to hold the line while whoever is first captain reports to Angron for orders. In canon Angron refused the Emperor's offer because it was only to join him, not to help his situation and hated his legion because they were strangers. Now the Emperor (at our behest) has helped him and his sons have done his will to topple tyrants and slavers who have wronged him time and time again. And lets say that even after all of those changes, he still doesn't like his legion. He'd still be significantly more calm after that instead of just being kidnapped. Its the best choice out of a bunch of bad ones, in short, if you're right.
>>4653552I'm don2 to, in this fanfic situation where we are there, to drop down and interfere even at the direct contradiction of big E's orders, though I doubt we will be there.You are however incorrect on being calmer. Maybe he wont sulk and team kill, but that's the best we can reasonably hope for.If we are present, and we can pull this off with "I shall never let tyrants rule daddy-oh", AND massively prevent deaths by fighting with, not for Angron and his slaves, then I would be immensely suprised and gleeful.
>>4653389It's not really egostistical,the journey is a direct attack to the only thing that can actually threaten chaos gods: their gestalt identity. The only other way would be to starve then of emotion, either by fucking off to the webway like the emperor wanted to do, killing every sentient being in the galaxy and starting over, or redirecting their psychic tendies to another deity like the imperial truth, Khaine and Gork and Mork.Also it's funny thinking that chaos gods, who conquer through subversion, ended up subverted themselves.
>>4653565>AND massively prevent deaths by fighting withThat's the only part I see as unlikely, assuming we're there.As for the likelihood of us being there, it's not uncommon for some primarchs to go with the Emperor when he finds lost brothers. Magnus was there when He found Lorgar, and Dorn, Lorgar, Fulgrim, and Ferrus went with Him to get Curze from Nostromo.
>>4653575Chaos' WORST ENEMY would have been Russ' wolves and Magnus' sorcerers, not the 2nd legion of Lierens.Philosophically you may have a point, though no deity to funnel their faith into makes it weaker than the imperial truth, but big E approved.
So far in terms of character development Lieren is basically Primarch Mr. Miyagi with more flowery speech. He would be almost instantly disliked by his brothers with daddy issues because of having a decent by Primarch standards childhood. I can see him initially having some friction with people like Russ but I think that would be settled quickly after a friendly fist fight even if Russ would give him flak for not drinking super booze afterwards. As for the legion, if Lieren disappears there will likely be disagreements about Lieren's tenets. Some things that may stay in place is the encouragement of teaching and brotherhood. For the most part frontal engagements will err towards lessening casualties but while infiltrating or in desperate times they will go for the neck. They will attribute this to messed up rhetoric relating to the carp and panther styles.
>>4653660>He would be almost instantly disliked by his brothers with daddy issues because of having a decent by Primarch standards childhoodI'm sorry they didn't have the balls to subvert and murder the nearest tyrant and begin building a proper armed rebellion that kicked the shit out of every other major military power on the planet.And they totally could have too I bet.
>>4653626I dont see your point. Magnus's legion got duped into chaos, and their "familiars" were actually demons. Russo's rune priests were psyker dudes that worshiped a NOT! eldar in origin world spirit circuit thing.
>>4653675Morty tried that. Failed.
>>4653690>Morty tried that. Failed.Well he's asthmatic, so he gets a pass.
>>4653687My point is the militarily, We are no more a threat to Chaos and it's forces than anybody else of the legions. Magnus if he had stayed loyal, he would be utterly instrumental against chaos given his extensive knowledge of the warp and it's creatures.Russ and Ilk are executioners and killers with a proven track record of murdering legions before and are exceedingly good at it by accounts since they did it twice without being decimated.You need more than Philosophy to win the heresy. It's force of arms that wins the day here with aspects of the arcane.
>>4653702And yet a large number of our forces was rendered traitors by means of philosophy, nor would any Astartes be worth much in battle without living by their own strict philosophies.It's fascinating.
>>4653767"our" as in the traitorous legions in canon, not any of Lieren's troops
>>4653767Men follow who they follow. Before the war, thought is a weapon and preparations must be made. During however the Journey ceases to be a tool of securing the loyalty of our men and at best takes a passive and minor action as a poor shield against the arcane while the forces won through it's teachings are what will defeat chaos in their grand offensive.Chaos with three legions would be bad, but their doom is certain.
More Observations, I honestly don't know if Lieren would support the Librarians during the censor of magnus and the Council of Nikea. Our only experience with magic has had it be super aids evil, so I don't think he'd like it very much.
>>4653813Maybe not, but that's due to ignorance.Once he understands that Psykers are born with their gifts and have no control over the fact, He'd be much more inclined to establish and instatution to understand and control their abilites.That being said, I don't think we would have a good experience with sorcery and ritualism, which is distinct from psychic abilities in that anyone can do it and I highly suspect is what the sorcerer under the mountain was using.Condemning a group of people for circumstances of their birth and demanding they never use such a helpful resource again is rather not like him, so I think.
>>4653826this. have my (you) anon.
>>4653687Fighting the chaos forces just wastes time, the daemons are just going to reform and more cultist are going to be duped.Now if you start fucking directly with the source on the other hand, you can bring an end to this whole problem for good.Now I'm still going to push for us to qirte more parables about a fake journeyman, that way religious people power him through belief, and agnostic followers will end up subverting chaos. Either we end up with an non-austist god emperor or purified warp.
>Lieren's dad is dying the day Big E comes to the planet>E comes to Lieren's house>Dad refuses treatment, he's lived a long and fulfilling life>Lieren's dad asks this (Not)Godlike being but one thing: To help Lieren's dream come trueAll to this https://youtu.be/W8x4m-qpmJ8
>>4653893Honestly, we need to train more. Like, a LOT more. Lieren is still weak as hell for a primarch. He still had difficulties killing the sorcerer, when he should have been able to backslap him into a thin mist effortlessly.We need, a training arc.
>>4653918The Sorcerer was also the first thing we've encountered that we actually struggled against at all. The Toad Dragon broke our skin, but other than that we toyed with it. The two things in the Devouring Woods were killed with relatively little effort. We KO'd an entire army while developing a new martial art from the ground up.Lieren has been training, getting stronger as he goes.
What if Lieren is like Aplharius/Omegon in that he has a weaker/smaller body? He's just called a Giant because everyone on Shangrala is just small?Lieren could be around say Custodes in size
>>4653918Not really. We are only 8 ish years old.
He Malal? How far along is the GC?
>>4653918>>4653946>>4653967As I stated before, I truly believe that lieren is a late bloomer and that we have yet to go through primarch puberty. I think maybe we'll go through it when we topple the vishnu, but that is still a ways off
>>4653946I don't know about that. Primarchs are developed to have appropriate sizes to their roles (alpharius omegon, lorgar, they're weaker because their roles don't need strength) lieren doesn't fit in any of these kinds of situations.
>>4654008Inquisitor primarch.Grey knights and exorcists are from the 2nd legion, there founding is a mystery because it was all scrubed away.
>>4654031Exorcists are Lorgar's boys anon
>>4654031Their founding isn't a mystery though. The only mystery is "What is put into their geneseed, that they call the "emperor's gift"">>4654046And nah, the exorcists are offshoots of the grey knights, fully pure and all.
>>4654031What? No. They got kablooey'd by something...either by the viking furry or by xenos. Grey Knights are different from normal legions on purpose.
>>4654031>>4654065It's been theorized for a long time now that Lieren is the actual gene seed for the grey knights. it's fun to think about>inb4 fanficthis whole thing is fanfic
>>4654068I think the Grey Knights being the 'Sons' of the Angel AKA the '0th/Prototype Primarch' is more likely given how obsessed about purity both are
I suspect Lieren's sons will be highly adaptable, develop golden eyes in some and will be very controlled. That may be boring for some, but I think it's a great building block for a powerful set of marines. I also think his geneseed will have a high acceptance rate and little to no mutations like perturabo's
>>4654072'The Angel' really throws a big wrench in the whole thing about Lieren being anti-chaos...but i mean, what is he supposed to be?We've been trying to figure it out for over five thousand posts, and yet we cannot. Sure, we have the golden evil-seeing eyes, but how can we be the anti-chaos primarch if that was already the protoprimarch's role?We can't be the inquisition primarch because the emperor didn't have an inquisition.We can't be the 'prosperity' primarch because roomba gollyloop already fits that. And, if you believe the theories, angron before he got lobotomizedWe can't be the void warfare primarch because we've already conquered an entire kingdom and we haven't even so much as seen the sea.
>>4654093Wouldn't the golden eyes be the mutation?I also suspect that there will be a tradition of having new intiates teach normal humans both the Carp and Panther style to learn from teaching and to humanize the legion.
>>4654169Honestly we don't have to be anything. Lion, Horus and us make up the generalist Trifecta, that's not a bad thing. Fulgrim too in a lesser extent. >>4654170I meant like, leman russ' furries and hawk boy's vampires.
>>4654169The Angel's role was to fight Chaos, yes, but it was indeed a prototype. It's uncontrollable, insane, flawed. When the Emperor locked it up, he never meant for it to be used again as it would slaughtered humans indiscriminately simply because they were connected to the warp by virtue of having souls. The Angel was intended to be the Emperor's only son, but containing such power in a single, artificial entity proved impossible, so he split it by 20. We can still be the anti-Chaos primarch, though anti-corruption would be more accurate. We're neither a blank nor a powerful psyker, both things would be instrumental in the mass-slaughter of neverborn.
>>4654169We are the berserker primarch then, giving how we constantly feel the urging to kill people we dislike, and the burning rage against the sorceror and daemon.Angron and Lieren got their genes and roles swapped.
I can imagine our Legion with an unorthodox set up. Marines deployed alongside scouts/aspirants like modern DTs. Or a noticeably larger normal human presence, friends of the guard.
>>4654216And abhumans, given our new nieces and nephews.
>>4654263>send us your abhumans, we have health insurance and a 401k plan
Calling the vote now. Sorry for the wait. Loved all the discuision.Stop Aruna and his kin from butchering the man, and let the envoy return to his master with a copy of the journey in hand:13lift the worm from the ground, and politely question him of the Technology the Vishnu hold:9"This man's life holds more value to me in the form of a single task":1Send a general and group of soldiers to accompany the Envoy:1Explain to the General how sorcery enrages your Vishnu friend, and it would be in his best interest to explain how the collars functions:1"My friends and trusted generals, your fury is righteous but allow me to give an use to this worm. He may know more about this things.":1So, Lieren will stop Aruna and Co from making Dhananjay Deadanjay, and lift him into the air to question him off the Vishnu's technology, before ensuring he is treated well and given a parting gift in the form of a translated copy of the JourneyBefore going to meet with his generalsWriting now>>4653396>>4653893heh
"Cease!" You bark, you voice like the fall of thunder. So mighty is your roar, it silences all other noise and even seems to still the wind, by sheer coincidence. Aruna's wild, fury drowned eyes whip over to you, his mask of paint and dyes cracking from the near feral grimace his expression has warped into.He bows his head, after you shoot him, and Rudra and Akanksha behind him a stern glare. Manu and Kamakshi have managed to reign into their emotions, and kept from joining the would be lynching party."Your aggression, and halt thy threats, my friend and honored general. I understand, that this man and the master who woulds the leash to his collar, have committed a grave sin, and insult to these proud warriors" You say in Vishnu, as Aruna nods, Rudra simply taps his fingers along the rough haft of his hatchet. Akansha tries to shrink away from your gaze and lecture, meekly bowing her head despite her previous violent intentions. Dhananjay wheezes again, choking on his own tongue and bile. He struggles to stand in the face of three natural born killers. You lash your arm outwards, whipping it through the air with enough force to produce a keening whistle. "However, he has come into our fortress as a guest, even if he is the servant of a tyrant. He approached us with good manner and peaceful intent, even if his master and self stand against the virtues we believe and struggle to uphold, I will not see him butchered as an animal" You sternly state."My apologizes, for a moment I forgot I was no longer the savage man I once was" Aruna says, eyes slowly drifting to rest on the envoy squirming behind you "I would...request, to see this man gone from our company. That is how you Yan would put it, yes?""Why I thought for a moment you were one of our nobleborn friends" Manu teases, glancing towards Kamakshi with a smirk "More so than our fellow chief, dressing up as one""Remember forth, I may be dressed in soft silks, but my body is still forged of iron, and I can pluck your tongue from your skull with the same ease as pulling a fruit from its tree" Kamakshi says, in a sweet yet threatening tone."I was just following the first's lead! as is tradition" Akanksha proclaims as she turns away, obviously pouting."Do not lie, little bird, you'd have been the first to disembowel the worm before us" Rudra laughs boisterously, before the youngest of the chieftains slams her elbow into his gut, nearly toppling him, and restarting their good natured brawl."Perhaps my brother was right when he suggested I should find a tutor of the Vishnu Tongue" Lai Song sighs, tugging on his mustache as he confusedly watches the conversation between you and the chiefs "After all, in recent days, I hear it almost as often as I do Yan""Perhaps you should" You say, briefly switching to your native tongue before turning to address the Envoy now kneeling at your feet, prostrating himself and slapping his hands upon the ground to show his gratitude towards you,cont
>>4654705for preserving his life despite the disdain you had shown.Crouching down, you grab the man with both of your hands, taking him by the under of his shoulders, to safely raise him into the air, above your own head. He doesn't have the power to even shriek or try to struggle from your grasp, being exposed to effects of your direct attention for as long as he had been, had sapped him of his energy and will. Losing most of the liquid within his body through one method or another, had also served to render Dhananjay to weak to protest or resist.As had, no doubt, the threat of painful death posed by Aruna, Akanksha and Rudra. All he can do is whimper and whine pleas for mercy and salvation."Dhananjay, I have given my word, you shall return to your master alive. I have no intention to harm you. All I am doing is helping you back to your feet" You say with a grin, but don't lower the worm to the soil just yet, as he looks at you with eyes filled with disbelief and suspicion."However, while you're up here" You laugh, grinning and revealing your teeth as you look the envoy directly into his eyes and into his heart, clearly causing the man a great deal of further distress "May I be so bold as to pry further in the sight that my eyes have just beheld, and humbly question. What. form. of. technology. are. those. collars""Technology?" He questions, looking confused, so you lift him exactly half a foot higher from the ground"Yes. I understand what those slave collars are, but not how they function. clearly they can control the bodies of the men they are placed upon, and dull their minds. I have seen such methods of enslavement before, but performed through sorcerous means, rather than via electrical or chemical proding" You say calmly, almost casually, as if you were discussing the growth of a personal garden or season's harvest "Clearly those wicked machines are powered, yet contain some admixture of chemicals. Which controls the body? Which controls the mind""Lord Lieren, merciful lore Lieren, Benevolent and wise master of the free men, I do not understand what it is you're asking me" Dhananjay says in between whimpers of fear and panic, brought on by his brush with death and the duress he has undergone "I do not understand the collars of enfeeblement, all I know is how to best guide those under the thrall of such...horrid devices, and how to release their victims from their grasp. I do not understand what it is you're speaking of, the bar of iron, sinks when pressed, and the collars react. I do not understand its exact function or the means of which it breaks the wills of its wearers"He isn't lying. He's confused and afraid, and utterly baffled by this line of questioning. He assumed the collars to be enchanted, magical tools with which a man could turn his fellows into automatons of flesh, sinew and bone. Which is why it's quite odd that the Vishnu would employ such devices. cont
>>4654707It is well known they keep slaves for many purposes and that their raids are as often driven by a need for fresher slave stock, as they are by a desire for wealth or glory. However, they are also known aversion towards sorcery and other "Shortcuts" to power or wealth. They pride themselves on their physical abilities and martial prowess. Surely, then, they would not use technology that would both appear and mimic sorcery. Unless, it was widespread and known, or. Perhaps, simply known to the ruling caste of their society and kept from the other ranks of their people.It would explain, why a mere servant such as the one in your hands would not understand the function of these hellish devices. To all eyes, they would appear as mundane, if ornate, slave collars. Clever. It is often said, never underestimate a Vishnu's mind, but this kind of deceit reminds you more of your own trickery or the social manuvering of Qian Xia herself. How clever, and troublesome.Perhaps this Nitya Sinha's most weapon, is not his horde of veteran Vishnu warriors and armies of screamers, or his great wealth and fertile lands. But rather, his mind. It seems, he will one day be your enemy, by the nature of your clashing worldviews and personalities, this insight into the methods of this King of Kings, will prove invaluable when the day comes that you must meet him upon the field of battle.Either in defending the lands you have freed, or seeking to liberate those crushed beneath his heel."I see...I see, I shouldn't have expected you to be so knowledgeable of such an arcane device. I have grown accustomed to speaking with curious minds and analytic intellects, it would seem" You say, as you gently lower the envoy to the ground and smile gently "Unless you require rest, you are free to return to your master, if you are weary, I will offer once more my hospitality and protection to you, and....a gift"You turn back and look to Manu, who realizes nigh instantly what you are asking of him."Perhaps it will provide a clearer insight into the differences between your master and I" You say, as Manu clicks his tongue to one of his warriors, who sighs heavily, and pulls a scroll from his belt, pouting dramatically as he hands it to his leader, who then passes it to you.Then, you gingerly copy the recent additions you have made to the journey, at a pace that would rival falling lightning in its haste, before setting the scroll in Dhananjay's hands."May it serve your master well, a grant him the wisdom he lacks" You say politely as you turn to Lai Song "Come friend, we have a war to wage, it will not be won by standing idle and gawking at every surprise that we come across""Har, of course, I was simply waiting to escort you to the war council" Lai Song says with a half snorted chucklecont
>>4654710"And all of you my friends, come along as well, we're to discuss our coming battles, maybe it will calm the raging hearts of Akanksha and Rudra" You say, seemlessly switching to Vishnu again, causing Akanksha to lift her head up and grin happily as you say her name."Like a well trained Pup" Kamakshi teases "Perhaps I should build you a kennel, to ease the shame of your coming defeat""Hur, he doesn't even look your way when your dressed like one of those weak, spoilt princesses, you have no chance, Seventh" Akanksha cackles as you roll your eyes"He is a very focused man" Kamakshi blusters as her "rival for your affections" continues laughing maniacally at her response-The meeting of your generals, was a tiring affair. Yin Lei had become possessed by such a wild fury, he could not sit still and paced the room shouting curses towards the Yan nobility and their sinful ways, even going so far as to draw his own sword as he raved, maddened by actions of your enemies. He had, calmed himself, and began sharpening his killing tool, reigning in his emotions as the Journey taught to. Lai Song had to be kept from drunkenly riding out to confront the Old fox himself, and when the Vishnu were told of the deeds of the Yan, they to had to be restrained from launching a heroic and suicidal raid to rescue the willing hostages taken by the Old Fox and his underlings.Daiyu remained silent, clearly haunted by what was occuring just over the border.Yin Jie was nearly as infuriated as his brother. Lord Lai had stopped his brother from riding off himself.Dai Niu did not speak and just held his head, reacting with sorrow rather than blind rage.What a cacophony it had become. Like a pack of rabid dogs fighting over an old bone. Every general present for the council made their fury known, by shouting curses towards Yan Zihao, Oaths to personally cut down the aged legend of war, or promises to be the first into combat to right this terrible wrongdoing.But now, they have exhausted themselves, and your usually calm and courteous comrades, lay tired in their seats, red faced and struggling to breath as they had spent several hours in their tirades against the actions of the Yan Tyrants.Now, you could begin discussion on the course of action your army should take."We cannot delay, there is no time for us to now" Dai Niu said, speaking at last "My honorable Lord, many passionate voices have been raised, demanding an immediate march into the Northern Yin lands, some have even called for a direct assault on the capital, ignoring the armies that stand between Mao Castle, and the Celestial Landing. You, despite your young age, are clearly a natural tactician, none could claim that you were not a genius, so I ask you, Lord Lieren. How will we save the women and children of Yan?"cont
>>4654714What is your next move against the Yan, Lieren?> One half of your army shall lead a diversion, to draw the Yan army to one of the borders, the other shall strike them from behind before the battle commences>Gather the entirety of your army, and test its fangs against the with of the Old Fox. Dai Niu is right, there is no time to waste. The march begins at dawn>Separate your army into many pieces, and carefully send them over the border to regroup, so their crossing will not be noticed>"I have learned a method to peer into the memories of other men, I shall catch one of the Northern Yin Generals, and find the purpose for these actions, and return upon the eve of battle" *stand from your chair, and go speak with Kang Yongrui">Write in?
>>4654716>"I have learned a method to peer into the memories of other men, I shall catch one of the Northern Yin Generals, and find the purpose for these actions, and return upon the eve of battle" *stand from your chair, and go speak with Kang Yongrui"
>>4654716>>"I have learned a method to peer into the memories of other men, I shall catch one of the Northern Yin Generals, and find the purpose for these actions, and return upon the eve of battle" *stand from your chair, and go speak with Kang Yongrui"
>>4654716>Gather the entirety of your army, and test its fangs against the with of the Old Fox. Dai Niu is right, there is no time to waste. The march begins at dawn
>>4654716>>"I have learned a method to peer into the memories of other men, I shall catch one of the Northern Yin Generals, and find the purpose for these actions, and return upon the eve of battle" *stand from your chair, and go speak with Kang Yongrui"I need to know how this thing works
>>4654921Adding>>Write in?we should get our technicians to look at the collars while we're gone, see if they can figure out how they work.
>>4654716>I have learned a means of peering into ones mind, without the aid of sorcery
One of these days we need to sit down with the women who fancy us and tell them outright that it's not going to happen. Better the sooner because I'd hate to see them turn into dead eggers.
>>4655021Are there any more than Akanksha and Kamakshi?
>>4655021What we need to do is personally train two of our soldiers to be able to handle some Vishnu Amazons.The upshot of this (provided they survive) is that they'll be some of the deadliest warriors in Yan.
>>4655025Nope, but them two do need something about them. Maybe find them some husbands.
>>4655021Well, i suppose we'd have to explain our origin and use that as an excuse, i suppose. Lieren, as a primarch, is basically unable to have anything.It is, however, important that we let them down in a way that's nice. I mean, if it was literally anyone but an primarch/marine they would have went wild over an vishnu amazon pining over them.>>4655029I don't know, maybe have some type of strength contest to find the strongest warriors in our ranks? That sounds reasonable, right? Have an context, find out who are our strongest men, and set them up on a fight against the amazon queens.
>>4655033Could always give them Jinhai.But jokes aside, I think a fair few of our panther brothers could make adequate companions for them.
>>4655033We could arrange for a short tournament to be held between troops of higher exceptional skill.Obviously those that have already distinguished themselves will be invited automatically. The rest of the spots however would be open to 1 man from each division, the choice being determined by said divisions.We could frame it under the context of encouraging the further growth of our force's martial abilities.
>>4655035>Could always give them Jinhai.I would say that if Jinhai's tastes didn't seem to be painfully vanilla.
>>4655037First, we have never asked or tried to deduce his tastes.Second, who cares if he likes vanilla? The girls dont seem to be freaky about it, just into musclemen and martial gods.Third, the man worked for Gao and shares our philosophy. Wouldnt you be put off by anything but missionary and hand holding after that?Again, I dont think Jinhai would actually like or enjoy a relationship with the Vishnu but it wouldnt hurt to ask.
>>4655044Trying to play the set-up feels awfully weird though. But i will say, maybe telling Jinhai you've just got no idea on wtf to do with them and asking his advice as a much more normal person than us sounds wise, but strictly in a 'bro' tone.If he likes muscle girls, then he'll take the opportunity. We're not fucking cupid/fulgrim/sanguinius, we don't do matchup.
>>4655060Yeah, fuck it. We'll just ask next time we get a chance.
>>4655025who knows, i can imagine there is one or two Lieren fan clubs around the lands by now.
>>4655060It doesn't feel that weird to me, it's getting rid of an annoyance now big problem later and it's doing it while satisfying their desire for a mate.To say we have no idea what to do is disingenuious, we have plenty of ideas of what to do, we just haven't gotten around to implementing any of them.
>Lieren is known as The OgreSo, when is he going to have a kid called Baki?
>>4655103When the kid kicks down our castle door and demands we fight them or they will take our Dojo armies banner.
>>4655103When we find a women who's just as benevolent as we are...also she has to be able to handle the massive power club standard to every Primarch's physiology.
>>4655103I don't think it was within the realm of possibility even during the DaoT to produce a child with an AI, Anon. We can dream, though.
>>4655122We could build a new AI core with Kanzeon and house it in a humanoid shell.That's close enough, right?
>>4655124We'll have to fix the ship first, it sounded like she's been running on low power ever since it crashed and transferring her consciousness to another body would scuttle it. It'd be a massive project besides, we can't ask any non-heretek techpriests for help and would need a fair bit of pretty advanced technology. Definitely archeotech, maybe even xenotech.
>>4655144If we get some damascus steel and a list of crap she'd need, then we could give her the resources to form her own body.The reason we didn't is that she said it'd require canabalising parts of her ship to produce the body, which would destroy memories and artifacts of her creators, losing yet more history to the passage of eons. Which she didn't like.
>>4655122>DaoT to produce a child with an AI, AnonWe're literally an test-tube baby, the fucking kriegsmen have them.
>>4655158Oh yeah...we could just clone ourselves if we meet the right people.
>>4655159That would probably end badly. My point here is that it would be easy, in fact, to make an child with an AI...Which is kinda moot, because we already have god knows how many thousands of 'sons' in our legion.
>>4655161>Which is kinda moot, because we already have god knows how many thousands of 'sons' in our legion.My god you're right. It's gonna be a nightmare trying to schedule individual father-son bonding excursions for each marine.
>>4655165Do them by fleet.
>>4655169>fleet by fleet fishing tripsIT SHALL BE DONE
>>4655165We will bond by killing dark elvesLike holy shit, Lieren is NOT going to like drukhari. He's going to make Vulkan look like...well, normal vulkan.
>>4655180Uncle Lieren will be second only to Vulkan in the eyes of the Salamanders, this I swear.
>>4655124i think a more basic thing that can be done easily, could be something for communicate with her across the world. Or for the future years at least in the Yang regions. A cable connect to the spaceship and attach to an outside communication tower for example.
>>4655177We accompany each fleet over it's life, and spend the time with each going company to company, bonding and learning ALL THEIR NAMES. ALL OF THEM! WE SHALL STRECH OUR IDETIC MEMORY TO THE LIMITS
>>4655256>forcing Malal to come up with names for each marine in our legionHow delightfully cruel, my friend.Unrelatedly, I just realized that the planet we landed on is the only change to canon, meaning our legion is as it was in the original continuity. There's no guarantee they were recruited from a pool complementary to ourselves, unlike almost every other legion (save I think the Death Guard?). It'll be interesting to see what their culture is like.
>>4655271>Our legion has mysteriously took the tradition of replacing their first name with Jinyinainu.But nah, just every marine we interact with at a stratigic level, like our first captain or the leaders of the groups we are directing on the ground.
>>4655337Ah, gotcha. Yeah, getting to know company captains is a must. And the captains of our fleet, more prominent remembrancers, Mechanicus representatives, and Auxillia regimental commanders. We've a lot of networking to do once dad picks us up.
>>4655444No, my friend, I mean that Malal would only have to come up with names for every one of those individuals. Mechanically, instead of saying their names, we just know it already.From the perspective of the world, we are putting in so much effort to learn about people as more than expendable meat puppets which we order to die where we want them to. And that endears us to them
>>4655033>Lieren, as a primarch, is basically unable to have anything.He doesnt know that>Lieren: guys! You gotta help! Muscular busty amazonian women want my dick! You gotta help me>literally everyone: gives him a look of jealousy
>>4655469I'm pretty sure Lieren already knows he doesn't really have the physical capability to feel romance. Emps just cut that cord.I mean, i'm pretty sure people already think Lieren is beyond human. Having him go full monk would be a surprise, but uh...not really unbelivable.
>>4655623Why would he? He literally went from Farmer to fucking General. Fulgrim felt this shit, Its literally just life choices and the world you arrive don that shaped shit.
>>4655635He just don't feel nothin'. I'm pretty sure primarchs don't have romantical feelings. Not genuine ones, that's for sure.
>>4655655I’d imagine they would feel the love that one would have for a best friend, not romantic but something along the lines of childhood friends who would die for eachother
>>4655665So no romantical feelings, then. Like i said, Lieren is uh...already obviously not human. He doesn't even try to hide it. There's an widely known play about how he literally came from the stars.
>>4655623We are a monk, in case you forget. We've made it a point to abstain from everything but the most basic bitch of shit unless it was a gift or we required it, even using it as an excuse to avoid marrying Gao's children.As for "love", then it's not out of the realm of possibility but sexual desire I think is out of the running unless we go slannesh, since we'd try it out eventually
>>4655665>>4655675Actually now that I reread my post and remembered Fulgrim and Ferrus, it’d be more accurate to say that they have the capacity to feel familial love but you’re right, Primarchs shouldn’t be able to feel romantic feelings
>>4655675Man, why do you think that primarchs fell in the first place, although they are advanced beyond normal humans they are still completely human emotionally and spiritually, that is why they fell, that is why even though they are as close to perfection as possible they still make mistakes and terrible decisions, because they ARE humans, not even the emperor is above these emotions of love and lust, our own brothers have shown love and lust towards humans women. I just want to know what you think makes lieren so special that he is somehow "above" these desires that our brothers, our father, and our fellow men as well as son's are most certainly not. Lieren isn't some super duper sage who can't feel these emotions, it's simply that he has not experienced them yet, hell, in a lot of our fantasies about what people will be doing once we are dead in the ground in just a few decades (because we don't know we're semi immortal)we wonder how our son's will fare without us and how our descendants will affect the world,.this fantasy points that at some point in the future lieren expects to fall in love and settle down, it's just not happening right now.
>>4655688What!?Fuck no man, we indulge ourselves plenty and our philosophy centers around enjoying all that the world has to offer and treating our fellow men well and good, we're not going to deny anyone or ourselves their vices, we merely ask for restraint and responsibility
>>4655712We don't indulge ourselves plenty, the best case you have is that we eat fine food. We refuse alcohol whenever it is offered to us, we again abstain from sex [though more out of disinterest than effort] and nearly never take any time off at all if it isn't in service of some greater goal.Ling mentions that we never took any breaks during Gao's service, The war has given us no time to ourselves and the only time we DID take a break was when we took our father on a journey.We don't need fancy things or intoxicants, we have the thankfulness of the people and that's the only vice we really need.Though granted, murdering gao can count as indulging quite a bit.
>>4655655>>4655665Vulkan went so apeshit when one a lady remembrancer in his fleet died that he killed a child. It was an eldar child, but still, I'd argue that he loved her in a romantic way. And Loken loved Mersadie, so we know regular astartes can love. It's just rare.
>>4655731I’d say astartes are arguably still human, highly modified from baseline but still human. There’s only so much pycho-indoctrination can do at suppressing base human emotions like romantic love or lust
Still catching up on the quest, but dammit Malal.>"Lieren!" Kamakshi coos happily as she spots you, and you see she has been forced into a silk dress more befitting of a Yan noblewoman than her usual furs, though she still wears bands of Iron around her neck. >Kamakshi tries her best to draw your gaze to herself, posing dramatically like an actor in a play. You simply remain where you stand, arms crossed.Ara-ara's intensify. Seems like the prosperity really is mega.
>>4655688SLANNESH is EXTREME EXCESS, not exclusively sex.
GuysLieren is technically a shota. There are two relatively big women (compared to base line humans) pinning for his affection>ara ara intensifies
>>4655730I think Lieren actually does on a very rare occasion drink fishgut alcohol. He mentions it's less a celebratory drink and more something you drink while contemplating or mulling things over. It doesn't happen often but when people are content and there is nothing to do Lieren is happy to celebrate with the people or play pretend with kids. I don't doubt his teachings will get warped over time but Lieren is totally fine with people indulging as can be seen by all the fog panther hides in the village or him letting his dad get a hangover.
>>4655851>Lieren is technically a shota.A shota is someone with a youthful or childlike male appearance.Lieren is a hypermuscled giant of a man.Get gone from here, hornyposter.
>>4651156Please keep up the great work!
>>4655854Doing it once in a while isn't "Indulging ourselves plenty" to the point that we don't live a more monk lifestyle in this regard than not. But other than that, I agree with most of what you say other than the fog panther hides aroudn the village of Nothing, those are used as insulation and clothing to keep people warm as Lieren explains. It's also why he didn't like gao upon entering his throne room, he saw a pelt on the floor as a mat which served no purpose but to display his wealth.>>4655838I know and agree, but it's also something nearly every slanneshi has done at least once.
>>4655945Every nurglite has also just sat down for hours and done absolutely nothing Every khornite has killed an asshole they don't like Every tzeenchian has spent hours upon hours thinking of how to do some the right way I don't understand why the hell you're saying Every slaneeshi has had sex as if it proves anything, cultists are (unfortunately) also humans and do tons of Shit we do, except they take it way past cool
>>4656005because the point I made under that was "Primarchs don't by the by feel sexual desire, unless of course they went slanneshi, whereby the would try it out at somepoint."
>>4656015And that by the by is fucking wrong as fuck, unless you are calling fucking wolfboy a slaneeshi cultist in disguise Primarchs do fucking feel desires, same as every man
>>4656027I'd be inclined, undisciplined rabble.But all the same, doing it once maybe as many as six times in his youth, then never doing it again in his entire 200+ year existance during the crusade still has him, by the by or in other terms most of the time not feeling such things. And then he is the only one out of 21 primarchs to indulge in those urges, while also being the most uninhibited without being mentally damaged. This isn't strong arguments that this is what primarchs feel since it can easily be attributed to the culture he grew up in, where fucking by 14-16 is acceptable because 18 is an old man
>>4656027Fuck, forgot about Russ.Guess we do have the capacity to want to fuck, unless the Emperor only made Leman able to feel the need.
>>4655945its also something every imperial, Tzeech, Corn, and Nurgle worshipper has done. And Eldari, and Tau, and any other Xenos race in the galaxy.
>>4656042Wouldn't suprise me. I do wonder what state his partner was left in, since allegedly the emperor's kids when they were still a thing they basically brutalised their partners.>>4656051It's also something that 1 out of 21 primarchs has done by themselves and without any prompting.
>>4656055The sensei? I don't remember anything about them being rapists or anything. Lotta different versions of them in the lore though. I think they've been reinstated now? Then again, Saturnine is a thing and the Twins' backstory seems to be all of them for sure now. So who knows these days?
>>4656079>Who knowsNobody living and not omniscient, that's for certain.
>>4656079Oh no, I didn't mean that emps raped someone to make them, I mean that their interactions left the human injured just due to the nature of his strength/psychic presence.That's what I meant by the mothers being brutalised, not by intent just as a result.
>>4656091Ah. Yeah, that makes more sense. Even as a corpse the custodians in His throne room take damage just by being there. But speaking of sensei, I wonder if we'll ever meet any? I do like those weird/old parts of the lore.
>>4656101>But speaking of sensei, I wonder if we'll ever meet any?Didn't they all fuck off to the warp to try and merge with the Star Child?
>>4656136Not by 30k I don’t think
>>4656136>>4656141Yeah, most of, if not all of their lore is post-Heresy. The Star Child only exists because Emps purged all of his "good" feelings from his soul before he fucked Horus with mindbullets.
>>4656141>>4656154Okay, so we might meet some of our half brothers and sisters during our journeys. Kinda excited for that possibility.
Calling the vote now. Sorry for the wait. Machine spirit is being more rebellious than usualI have learned a method to peer into the memories of other men, I shall catch one of the Northern Yin Generals:10Gather the entirety of your army:2Study the slave collars:1So Lieren will state he shall risk himself to find out the True plans of the Yan, and leave to speak with the crippled Heir, Kang YongruiWriting nowAlso, see you lads have been invoking she who thirsts, again>>4655271I mean, it is a bit cruel>>4655165>>4655169>>4655177>Ancient dreadnaught of the 2nd legion awoken>"Tell us of our father, oh vulnerable elder brother" >*Long silence*>"Elder brother?">"He had discovered the most efficient means of baiting fish, while I was within his company. such a simple act, yet so gracefully done. He even refused to employ live bait, thinking it to be a cruel to make even such a small, insignificant life suffer such a fate as being devoured alive">*Loud cheering rocks the fortress monastery*
>>4653297I'd laugh, and laugh hard, if we put in a warning about "voices in the dark" in our book. Later, The Lion reads it and pulls us up with a "WHAT DO YOU KNOW???">>4655177We shall become the devourer of aquatic biomass that the Tyranid swarm could only match thousands of years later with specific evolutions.>>4656529>Ancient dreadnought: "Even in death, I still surf 'n' turf.
Made us a logo for the legion!
>>4656577I fucking dig it. Reminds me of some of the unit patches we have on the ship.
>>4656577Nice and purplish, maybe add a carp in its mouth to symbolically represent that we have 2 paths, the carp path and the panther path
I really liked the idea our legion is minimalist and so our colours or lighter and not overstated. instead I could imagine a large use of silk shawls and accessories. A big idea is jade talismans a marine would wear around their neck to define their company; different colours of jade shaped into different animals based on the Clans from our conquest of home. As a Marine grows they get another showing the lessons they have learned (So far we got Panther, Horse, Boar, Turtle, Carp and more to come!)
>>4656599Panther is Feng Carp is jinhaiWhat are the rest?As for ourselves, we're obviously THE HUNTER
"That, is a quandary that has plagued my mind since I myself learned of the foxes' lie" You sigh, raising your head from the map set out in front of you, as, while it may show where your enemies lay ahead of you, it does not show where their captives are kept. Though Liang and Feng postulated that, from the rumors and hearsay they heard, the Yan had opened the captial to welcome the displaced sons, daughters and wives of their subjects, offering protection. Bai, believed with all his spirit, that Yan Zihao intended to use the poor souls as a screen of sorts, to shield their armies from the devastating power of the "Steel Dragons" and Gatling guns.Dong, in a dark tone, had offered an even more horrifying and disturbing possibility, that with the chaos of war and loss of lands, that perhaps, the foxes were merely stocking their larders to endure through the winter. Which, would not be as unbelievable as you wish it would be. The old breed of nobility, did not see their peasantry as fellow men. An old story comes to your mind, of a general who had a boy whipped, after his horse had been startled by his presence and shattered his ribcage. The poor youth of course died, but such a tale showed the exact measure of the contempt and apathy the "Common" virtueless noble felt for those beneath him. It did not apply to every man or woman blessed with noble blood, of course. and even such heartless beasts could hold a spark of love for another, as seen with the Father Tao Song, who treated the lives of those who lived upon his lands as disposable as candles, yet treasured his family more than the jewels he worked his people to death to attain."For, we have no knowledge of where or how they are keeping their captives, Dai Niu" You say, idly turning your hand to the Map, Manu translating your words as you do so "Nor the tragic fate they intend to force upon those unfortunate souls, will they use them as a living shield? To force us to fight as battles were once fought?"You cast your gaze over you gathered generals. Yin Lei pauses in sharpening the edge of his sword, halting his maintenance to gaze deeply into his reflection, a haunted look passing over his tired eyes. The fingers of the Vishnu Chiefs, twitch towards their weapons as they understand your words, but they restrain themselves from passionately denouncing the deeds of the enemies you face together. Dai Niu shudders, like a man his age left alone in the uncaring winds of winter. Lai Song scowls, but says nothing. "Or, do they intend to spend their lives as ransom? using my own kind, gentle nature against me, and forcing our march to halt, under the threat of a massacre of unheard of, of unimaginable vileness?" You question, turning your back to the table now.cont
>>4656630"They would pen the story of their own deaths, if they'd think you would be cowed, rather than enraged by such wickedness" Yin Lei says simply, never taking his eyes off of his reflection within his polished blade "Yet, I would not be truly surprised by such idiotic and meaningless cruelty""I would ride with Lieren to avenge them, if such a tragedy comes to pass" Lai Song says solemnly "Even if it would mean riding to my own death, as well. Such a thing cannot be forgiven""If it does occur" Dai Niu says solemnly, his eyes closed tightly, his expression pained "the Yan are tyrants, they will hold onto power like a Century tortoise bites""And the men in their army, will believe us to be legions of devilspawn and mindless thralls" Yin Lei says angrily, his eyes narrowing "What a cruel irony, that they march beneath the banner of the true devils"You do not mention Dong's theory, as though it is plausible, it would only serve to heighten the wrath of your men, and drive them to act rashly, foolishly. But then, it occurs to you, as you feel the atmosphere of the room change from one of barely restrained fury, to a cool sorrow akin to that of an empty battlefield. And this simple thing, brings a revelation to you, like a spark becomes an inferno. Of course! of course! how could you be so careless. The way to find the Yan's intentions, have been upon your hip all this while. How foolish of you, how utterly foolish.You scowl turns to a smirk, and you nearly have a fit of laughter, directed towards yourself, before you restrain the glee now coursing through you as it would be quite inappropriate to act in such a way considering the present circumstance.The Lotus Scepter! It can show memories and thoughts of those who have been pricked by its needle. Which is exactly what you require now, and no one will shed tears for a tyrant, if it functions by sapping the life of another.Standing tall and proud, you turn back to the map, and focus upon the two white banners flying beside the gold of the Yan dynasty. Two generals, following behind the main army like cliffjumper chicks do their mother. Though close behind, they are still separate from the main Yan army, almost as if they are acting as though they are holding the end Yan Zihao's robes for him.Gathering men, scouting the lands, preparing it to stand beside their masters in the storm to come. Leaving themselves vulnerable, never once considering they could be stalked beneath the mists."My most trusted, and dearest friends, my brothers and sisters in arms. I ask for your forgiveness, for keeping the knowledge I hold from your eyes" You say somewhat blithely, the air turns tense and heavy before you allow yourself a chuckle and shake your head "For I have learned of a method to peer into the memories of other men, in my travels, I shall capture one of the Northern Yin Generals and find the true purpose for their actions"cont
>>4656631You are met with many confused and curious stares, except for Jinhai, who seems nonplussed by this revelation and the statement you had made."Something Grandfather Guozhi must have taught him" Jinhai says without so much as blinking "It would certainly ease our minds of the mystery presented by exactly what form of wickedness the Yan intent to perform upon their captives, and perhaps, even reveal to us weakness yet unseen""A form of technology that I have found that shall reveal the plans of our enemies. It is not sorcerous in nature, though I do not understand it fully " You say in Vishnu at the exact moment Manu finishes translating your prior statement, Rudra looks at your suspiciously, Aruna simply nods and Manu gets a curious glint in his eyes. Akanksha simply looks confused, while Kamakshi nods in agreement."Perhaps I shall share the story of how I acquired such techniques, upon my return" You say, bowing your head as you cupped your hands "Which I swear to do so, upon the eve of battle at the latest""So the Giant will Hunt the Qilin, sounds like a song to me" Lai Song says with a confident smirk, nodding his head in approval."Gaze not into the darkness, lest it turns its eyes towards you as well" Yin Lei says, wagging a single finger in the air as he did so "Take care, Lieren, to remember those words in your hunt""You seem to enjoy hunting more than commanding, I've noticed" Dai Niu says bluntly "Perhaps it is not in your nature, though I must humbly ask, Lord Lieren, who shall lead this battle in the unlikely event you do not return to us before the battle again the fox and his hounds begins?"Dai Niu, with his sullied reputation, would lower morale of your troops and the generals who lead them. While he is well trained in the ways of war, and is a veteran general, this fact and the area he had chosen to focus in expertise within, namely that of Defensive and slow, grinding marches. Was ill suited for the current climate of the warfront.So to, was Lai Song, and any of the Vishnu Chiefs, for much of the same reasons. Lai Song, while effective at lightning strikes and overwhelming aggression and a pioneer of a new form of warfare, will at times become too confident in his victory to come or rely too heavily upon his complete mastery of cavalry, which are weakness that can bring even a master of combat as Lai Song to his knees. And the Vishnu, are wild in how they wage war, even when civilized. Fearless, yes, but also somewhat careless. Yan Zihao is a genius, he'd see these two weakness and use them to their fullest advantage.Yin Lei, the Black General, The Unbroken Thunder's Howl. A living Legend as Dai Niu and Lai Song are, but while they had focused their studies and thus their expertise, into a single faucet of war and honed their mastery to near heavenly levels, Yin Lei, had become a generalist. A master among generalists, he has not once tasted the sting of defeat, cont
>>4656635no matter the environment or foe he battles. But, Yan Zihao is also a generalist. Yin Lei is a safe choice, but one that may make any meeting between these two Legends stall, even with the large advantage your army holds in both armaments and training.Daiyu. Untested, but Yin Lei's own student. And most importantly, a surviving child of the Gao Line, whose fall from grace and power started this war. Her banner, flying high and proud at the forefront of your army, would be an crippling blow to the morale of reinforced armies of the Yan and Northern Yin, and any virtuous man who fights within them or leads them to battle. She's clever, but has yet to achieve a victory on her own merits, rather than as a mere follower of Yin Lei. Which might lessen her theoretical authority over the generals who would serve beneath her Jinhai, he has gained a reputation as a rising star of the rebellion and the "Fourth King of war" for his strings of victory. While he is a better fighter than he is a leader, that still means he is quite talented at the task of commanding men. Being able to hold his own in combat, and command not only the actions but respect of others, is what makes a general great in Yan. While the shape of warfare is changing by your interferences, tradition does not vanish overnight. However, while his experimental and ever shifting tactics of waging war have proven thus far uncounterable. Yan Zihao is a greater beast than any of his prior quarries. Could Jinhai match his wit against the Old foxes.Or perhaps, perhaps. You should do away with the idea of a centralized command entirely. And take a lesson from the Xue. Rather than having one general whose commands flow down to his underlings who then command the army he leads, thus presenting an inherent, yet grievous danger of the army collapsing upon the death of its leader. Why not remove such a figure head from play entirely? While a unified front, with a clear commander, is in of itself valuable, such a structure is weakened by the same means that would make it preferable to the alternative of a less cohesive form of leadership. And that is reputation. A valued, respected, storied leader inspires his men, while his death will leave them listless and loss. Is the damage to morale and pains of transitioning to a new form of army, worthwhile in exchange for a easier transition from orders to actions and ensuring the army could endure as long as one general survived to lead it? An army ruled by committee, fractured yet whole. Would it be stronger or weaker than the traditional structure?cont
>>4656637What is your answer to Dai Niu, Lieren?>Yin Lei, beyond myself, he perhaps embodies our struggle against tyranny the most. He stands as a pinnacle, both among generals and common men.>Daiyu, let us break the Yan's wills as they wish to break ours. She is a student of the Black general, and a child of the line they intend to return to power. The Twin dragons shall fly once again, at the head of the "ogres" army. The morale loss will be devastating, as I have long planned it to be.>Jinhai, my guard, student and at times teacher. His mind works differently than other men's. He can look to the clouds and find inspiration among them. Yan Zihao may be a genius, but Jinhai is in a realm beyond him yet. His wit, I am sure, would best the old fox, and leave him as confused as all who had faced him before>Why, all of you. You all have your expertises, your habits and your preferred ways to wage and win wars. Seeking a single leader, is foolish, when an army can become as many yet remain as one. Do you not see it, my friend? the potential, of an army that cannot have its head severed lest every general within it meets his end?>Write in?
>>4656577Nice, good work!Also gonna try and bring the next update a bit faster than my normal pace, to make up for the long wait for the last two updates If the machine spirit is willing to not be a cunt, of course
>>4656639>>Why, all of you. You all have your expertises, your habits and your preferred ways to wage and win wars. Seeking a single leader, is foolish, when an army can become as many yet remain as one. Do you not see it, my friend? the potential, of an army that cannot have its head severed lest every general within it meets his end?This one I find very interesting. High risk in that our army could be paralyzed through disagreement, high reward in that it might be as though our enemy fights against three. Let's see.
>>4656639>Why, all of you. You all have your expertises, your habits and your preferred ways to wage and win wars. Seeking a single leader, is foolish, when an army can become as many yet remain as one. Do you not see it, my friend? the potential, of an army that cannot have its head severed lest every general within it meets his end?> If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it.>Sun Tzu
>>4656639>Why, all of you. You all have your expertises, your habits and your preferred ways to wage and win wars. Seeking a single leader, is foolish, when an army can become as many yet remain as one. Do you not see it, my friend? the potential, of an army that cannot have its head severed lest every general within it meets his end?It's time for modern techniques of combat. Having one single general is foolish. Let them do their best roles.
>>4656639I really want Daiyu to lead this one. I really really do wish to because she needs the victory to legitimize herself.But modern tactics require modern innovation. Namely "next man up". We have no head that can be cut off, simply talented fingers.
>>4656639>Daiyu, let us break the Yan's wills as they wish to break ours. She is a student of the Black general, and a child of the line they intend to return to power. The Twin dragons shall fly once again, at the head of the "ogres" army. The morale loss will be devastating, as I have long planned it to be.Yin and Jinhai qill serve as her sub-commanders and advisors. Let's try a first anong equals thing, but mantain a chain of command, if every decision has to be voted on, or if part of a force does a maneuver that ruins the plan of another one, than the efficiency suffers.
>>4656680I thought that was what it meant by "run by commitee". Burt if not, changing >>4656669 to support.
>>4656549>I'd laugh, and laugh hard, if we put in a warning about "voices in the dark" in our book. Later, The Lion reads it and pulls us up with a "WHAT DO YOU KNOW???""Empers Tempers Mr. Lion! Do you think Mr. Lieren knows?"
>>4656641You could have a Yin Yang symbol of sorts with Panther and Carp taking each side
>>4656639>>Daiyu, let us break the Yan's wills as they wish to break ours. She is a student of the Black general, and a child of the line they intend to return to power. The Twin dragons shall fly once again, at the head of the "ogres" army. The morale loss will be devastating, as I have long planned it to be.Now's her time to shine. We can work on restructuring the command hierarchy after we're not in the middle of a war.
>Daiyu, let us break the Yan's wills as they wish to break ours. She is a student of the Black general, and a child of the line they intend to return to power. The Twin dragons shall fly once again, at the head of the "ogres" army. The morale loss will be devastating, as I have long planned it to be.
>>4656690You know... that thing
>>4656669>>4656682Right fuck it, I'm putting my vote into more legible form>Daiyu, I want you to break the old fox's army, you will be leading the army under your name and direction. However I am also giving you Jinhai and Yin Lei as sub-commanders, tasked with granting you advise when you require it and executing your commands. The reason I do this is not because I do not think you are capable, but because I wish to see if this new system works, if three disparate command styles may meld into a single army and remove one of the weaknesses of a single leader, that being if they are indisposed the rest of the army breaks.That's my vote.
>>4656656Support>>4656669If we go with the everyone option, I think there will be some people that will go with Daiyu. So she will more or less be a kind of general.>>4656639Actually scratch that. Voting for Daiyu. Anon was right, we can restructure the army til after the sust of war has settled. Whatever slight morale loss or weaker authority she possess wont be a bad as what her presence will inflict upon the enemy. She can have Jinhai and her mentor as advisors. Jinhai for his "unorthodox" perception and Yin Lei for his generalist veterancy.
>>4656715I really hope this goes how I expect it to go.>Old Fox: "Aha, I recognise these tactics as Yin Lei's handiwork, now to employ cou- What the courts? This countermove is the work of Carpson, very well then move to conti- WHO THE HELL IS THIS ONE?!"Probably not gonna react like that, but I hope that this is how things go.
>>4656597>>4656618Panther is the way of the stalkerCarp is the way of the polearm dancer (pun intended)Tiger is the way of non-lethal takedown, if we don't mess up teaching others like the beastkin about it.We could add other animals representing doctrines. For example, the dragon for the steel dragon cannoneers and engineers.The way of the bull for our future terminator teams, tanking hits with their face as their shield.
>>4656639>>4656656Supporting the diverse structure. Yin Lei given overall command of the army to pick the place of battle and placement of divisions.Jinhai commanding one division of gunners, and presumably Daiyu with another division like the sharpshooters.What will happen with the rifle cavalry forces? Will Lai Song still have a role to play in cavalry hit and fade tactics during the battle? Vishnu chiefs like Aruna leading his people? I don't know if the Dai family have a role to play unless they want to be an elite defence covering the Vishnu berserkers?
>>4656639>Daiyu, let us break the Yan's wills as they wish to break ours. She is a student of the Black general, and a child of the line they intend to return to power. The Twin dragons shall fly once again, at the head of the "ogres" army. The morale loss will be devastating, as I have long planned it to be.>Ensure that Daiyu is battle ready.
>>4656752I feel like asking Yin Lei in private to make sure she's ready is the more appropriate action. Nothing undermines your self-confidence like your demigod leader giving you command and then immediately going "But are you ready tho?" for the next week.
>>4656639>>4656708Supporting this as well as ensuring that she is ready for itBut question, does this mean we wont make it back? Because in all honesty I think that this is the battle we should lead
I think that one of the chapter's main trial of initialization will be the simple but difficult trial of pointing out the truth in face of everyone else. There will be other tests scattered out to keep it secret. It'll be a test of mental acuity disguised as a test of vision where people have to point out what straw is longer with the boy coming after other people who purposely pick the shorter straw.
>>4656832whati don't get it anon, explain it in a retarded way
>>4656839YOU'VE FAILED MY SON.Come to father son training camp, you must be taught.
>>4656839Weed out the brown nosers and sheep by making them think the right choice is the blatantly wrong choice because everyone else chose it. If 4 out of 5 think jumping off a roof is a good idea surely it's a good idea. Except the one guy that says there are stairs right there.
>>4656850no anon, what is the test, how is he supposed to tell the longer straw if the others already took itthere's only going to be 1 straw, hwo can he judge the longest if there's only 1
>>4656795We might not. depends on what side tracks us. My money is on needing to relocate the prisoners this general we are going to kill has already taken and convincing them that we are not a devil.And we should really apologise to the generals, that we arent here leading them more often.
>>4656883Should be easy enough if we show our face and recite/explain the passages of the journey.
>>4656639>>Why, all of you. You all have your expertises, your habits and your preferred ways to wage and win wars. Seeking a single leader, is foolish, when an army can become as many yet remain as one. Do you not see it, my friend? the potential, of an army that cannot have its head severed lest every general within it meets his end?We've switched up our tactics so many times during this war. but we haven't really done a conventional battle. If we meet them for such a thing in an unconventional way they wont know what to do.It'll also let us know who is able to best work together and see where the big egos lie.>>4656730>Tiger is the way of non-lethal takedown, if we don't mess up teaching others like the beastkin about it.I thought the Tiger style was designed to be lethal we just didn't deliver any lethal blows. We specifically used our fingers where they would use their claws.
>>4656883>And we should really apologise to the generals, that we arent here leading them more often.merely allowing them to rise to their potential, someday even Lieren will die and Shangrala will once again be on its own.
>>4656881It's disguised as a vision test. You pick the longer straw by pointing at it. You don't have to draw it away from the possible choices.
>>4656904At least say that, because we haven't so far and frankly it's starting to look irresponsible.We know it isnt, and we know that they at least recognise that our missions are important. But this is a system of military where your leader is dictator and represents you all, and we keep dodging battles, any other man would appear a coward if not in fear of death then fear of seeing what he had ordered done.
>>4656639>>Why, all of you. You all have your expertises, your habits and your preferred ways to wage and win wars. Seeking a single leader, is foolish, when an army can become as many yet remain as one. Do you not see it, my friend? the potential, of an army that cannot have its head severed lest every general within it meets his end?
>>4656680I support this
>>4656639>Daiyu, let us break the Yan's wills as they wish to break ours. She is a student of the Black general, and a child of the line they intend to return to power. The Twin dragons shall fly once again, at the head of the "ogres" army. The morale loss will be devastating, as I have long planned it to be.lets wait until we have radios before we implement modern army command structure. In a battlefield where communication is very suspect due to gunfire, modern commanding will be a challange if not down right dangerous to implement.
>>4657284Thats true, iit was very common for commander to retreat or overextend their soldier in large battles due to miscomunication, and adding multiples leaders only makes things more complicated. There is a reason even in modern warfare there is a very clear chain of command.Also aren't our troops mostly fighting in napoleonic style warfare right now instead of modern squads and battalions?
>>4656639>>Why, all of you. You all have your expertises, your habits and your preferred ways to wage and win wars. Seeking a single leader, is foolish, when an army can become as many yet remain as one. Do you not see it, my friend? the potential, of an army that cannot have its head severed lest every general within it meets his end?I finally caught up and read the quests. I finally get to cast my first vote. This would be devastating and in Lieren's wheelhouse. This is modern day warfare application. It would also boost morale, and in a way the rising tide lifts all rafts which is what would happen here. It may hurt us in the future but I think this would be at least key in solving a few problems.
>>4657284I hadn't thought about potential friendly fire. The risk of that is too much.Changing >>4656652 to >>Daiyu, let us break the Yan's wills as they wish to break ours. She is a student of the Black general, and a child of the line they intend to return to power. The Twin dragons shall fly once again, at the head of the "ogres" army. The morale loss will be devastating, as I have long planned it to be.
>>4656896>I thought the Tiger style was designed to be lethal we just didn't deliver any lethal blows. We specifically used our fingers where they would use their claws.I think you're right, I was only remembering how we practiced it and assumed that that would be how it was taught.
>>4656934>>4656972maybe we should add something like this before we run off."I might have incited this rebellion but it is you all, who have done the fighting, all the heavy lifting. As far as i'm concerned this is your rebellion, and the historical scrolls shall record it as such, I'll make sure of it."
Praying to the Omnissiah for you, Malal.May he placate your device's unruly machine spirit once and for all.
>Malal having PC troubles>Techpriest: "Have you tried singing the Hymns of Activation and Deactivation?"
>Why, all of you. You all have your expertises, your habits and your preferred ways to wage and win wars. Seeking a single leader, is foolish, when an army can become as many yet remain as one. Do you not see it, my friend? the potential, of an army that cannot have its head severed lest every general within it meets his end?
>>4658013But what if Malal's pc has a daemon engine instead of a machine spirit?
>>4658799Daemon engines aren't chaotic machine spirits, they're warp-tainted war machines. If Malal's pc is one of them, we never stood a chance.
>>4658815I meant to say that his pc was a daemon engine but I fucked up the sentence structure.Well, he is a chaos god, can't be that hard to get a smaller daemon in a box right?
>>4658858"God" is entirely a case of how much of the warp pie you get. the 4 are just the biggest, but some of their greater daemons, like Bel'koth can rival other lesser "deities"
what do you guys think our meeting with Corvus and Magnus will be like? What will be our plans for subjugated, defeated, or willingly surrendering aliens species?If we have a good enough rep with subjugated Xenos species, should we for a section of the Imperial Guard for aliens, with maybe bomb collars like penal regiments?
>>4658882Lieren is a pretty merciful guy to those that don’t offend his morals. I expect it to depend on the Xenos in general like Exodites he would try to get their advice on Warp stuff, peaceful xenos like Jokaero would be left alone unless they contribute to our goal, violent xenos are likely getting oppressed or weaponized if not genocided.
All things considered, when do you guys think we'll encounter another Psyker or Sorcerer? Would they be young, middle aged, or old? Would Lieren be able to recognize them or not?
>>4659347We had a PoV shift to a very low-level psyker a thread or two ago. The extent of his power was pretty much just spider-sense. He died right after though, our forces ambushed his army. I have a suspicion that if Malal isn't rolling dice for random encounters behind the scenes, we'll meet one either when we take the fight to Yan or go to the Vishnu homeland. The latter give me techno-barbarian vibes, I think they might field battle-witches or something against us like were mentioned in Horus Rising.
>>4659359I hope we get to meet one so we can make them an apprentice so they can control their innate powers. This way they'll be strong enough to donkey punch demons when we can't do it conventionally.
>>4659366I think it was the first thread where we had the option to investigate the ruins of Guhozi's monastery, and between his insistence that he's lived a thousand lives and the fact his order were violently purged, I have a suspicion that they were a psychic order. Hope the option to check that place out pops up again. Maybe we'll find a reincarnation of one of his friends?
>>4659378Their reincarnations could linger in near by villages. It's something to add onto the list of many other things we need to do once we overthrow the Yan.
>>4659382Yeah, you aren't kidding. Out post-war to do list is huge and always seems to get bigger, I'll try to type it out later just so we have it in front of us. Kinda wish we were the primarch with a twin, being in two places at once would be handy. Speaking of, has anyone read the new Alpharius novel? Shit's wild, I'm not sure how I feel about it.
>>4659386yes please do that. we need a list to add all our shit.
Lieren's To-Do List, greentexted for your collective pleasure and in no particular order>Win the war against Yan, assume direct control>Pick a family name to add an air of legitimacy to our rule?>Invent electricity and start a green industrial revolution>Keep an eye on the Tzeentch cave>Continue to teach our 200-odd nieces and nephews>Talk to, explore the rest of, repair, dig out, and form a deep romantic connection with Kanzeon>Check out Guozhi's monastery>Be on the lookout for more Secrets of Shangrala>Hang out with Weynan>Sit the Vishnu chieftanesses down for a chat about how we're flattered, but not interested/would rip them in half>FIND THE FUCKING RUYI JINGU BANG I KNOW IT'S SOMEWHERE MALAL GOD DAMMIT>Think up ways to expand the Journey>Mourn Small Chen properly>Go through Primarch puberty>Pick up a hobby or three>Adopt a pet>Bond deeper with our friends and allies, see if they need/want us to do anything>Learn more about the lands beyond Yan>with prosperity and benevolence for allDoubtless I missed some, feel free to add them to the list.
>>4659400>Mourn Small Chen properlyHe's getting a national holiday in his honor.>Adopt a petOur massive horse is technically a pet.Also you forgot>Standardize education across Yan>Fortify the borders of Yan>Complete the great road linking all of Yan
>>4659406>Our massive horse is technically a pet.Our massive horse is a mean bastard who would bite our fingers off if we weren't a primarch. I love him, but was thinking something more like a cat or a bird. Everything else looks good though, I did forget about the more administrative things.
>>4659408A pet panther
>>4659410Cramping Leman's style ever-so-slightly.
>>4659400Problems I see:>Pick a family name to add an air of legitimacy to our rule?To rule is not Lieren's function, he is a General and living weapon, not a ruler. Not only would this give us brownie points with Emps and Malcador, but there's also the fact that many people can make a good enouh ruler, and that's all you really need for the state to go smooth. Jinhai could actually make one, if not the best human ruler in most of the history of the galaxy, matching or surpassing even Macharius, and acting like an advisor would leave us free time to train, improve tech and overall do things only we can do, which is the most efficient and effective path.>FIND THE FUCKING RUYI JINGU BANG I KNOW IT'S SOMEWHERE MALAL GOD DAMMITYes, we must find the Shangralan version of the Monkey King's GUANDAO>Go through Primarch pubertyOh god, I forgot we still aren' a grown up. If I remember properly, primarchs in a relatively peaceful environment grow a little bit slower (and better due to their bodies going at their own rithm), so we still have, what 6-7 years until we reach 14-15 yrs old? That's when Primarchs stop growing if I remember correctly. Lieren is going to be a friggin beast if I'm right.Also, I would add > Explore the ability to wield spiritual powers and if you posses such a thing (if we meet more sorcerers, we could wonder, "fuck, can I do that better, faster, stronger thing with magic?")
>>4659408>>4659410>We get a fish pet.>Call it Jinhai>Laugh for days at our pupil's embarrassed blush of combined pride/annoyance/plain embarrasment
>>4659414> Yes, we must find the Shangralan version of the Monkey King's GUANDAO Nope. Staff.
>>4659417Kek, sure, what about pic related for a staff
>>4659414>To rule is not Lieren's functionGuilliman, Fulgrim, Russ, Lion, Horus, Dorn, Ferrus, Magnus, Sanguinius, Kurze, Corax, Lorgar, and Jaghatai all came to rule their homeworlds, not sure what you're on about. I doubt something fierce that we're in the same minority as Mortarion, Angron, Vulkan, and Perturabo.>Yes, we must find the Shangralan version of the Monkey King's GUANDAOMonkey King didn't have a guandao.>pubertyPrimarchs age really inconsistently, we're like 8 and seem a young man, albeit a giant whereas someone like the Lion aged naturally. I think it'd be funny if we woke up one day and were a foot taller and had like 100 more pounds of muscle.
I expect as things get later down the line we'll have time skips and a few minor events so we can actually get to 30k proper (I am loving this era though because it builds characters and so on)
>>4659420>and had like 100 more pounds of muscleMake that like 300 as far as Primarch size and muscle density is concerned.
>>4659424I love it too, it makes me wonder how our friends will react to our golden god of a deadbeat dad descending from the sky and claiming us as his son. And how we all will react to the Imperium. Dandan will go into a coma when she sees an ordinatus engine fire, but that's the only prediction I'm comfortable with making. Hell, I'm nervous for how Lieren will react to Emps and the Imperium. He's a tyrant by our definition and the Imperium is an awful place to live compared to our portion of Yan.>>4659427Yeah, I kinda lowballed that, didn't I?
>>4659400>Win the war against Yan, assume direct controlOf course.>Pick a family name to add an air of legitimacy to our rule?Our rule would be already indiscussed. But a family name could be nice. Lieren Starborn maybe.>Invent electricity and start a green industrial revolution>Keep an eye on the Tzeentch caveWe could attempt to purge the presence instead. Reading the Journey had an effect. >FIND THE FUCKING RUYI JINGU BANG I KNOW IT'S SOMEWHERE MALAL GOD DAMMITIt s don t think is necessary. But if there are archeotech weaponry around it wouldn t be bad to have one.>Mourn Small Chen properlyA proper tomb can be made.>Adopt a petWe could take over a nest of Panthers. >Learn more about the lands beyond YanThat can be done by sending diplomats, explorers and spies.For anything else, first and foremost :- Implementing our reforms and works on a wide scale across Yang.- A new form of government maybe- A new law system- Education should be done both with making schools and academies, as well public libraries. - Restore the monks order - Invest time for create laboratories and thinkers/scientists. This should help us with spreading and creating tech. - Hunt down bandits, criminals and dangerous beasts.- Invest in a health system, hospitals and better medics would be a great boon. - Transform villages militia/citys guards in police forces.- Trains Then a military reform for a new model army/navy when we feel like we have enough technology. And in the mountain near Kazeon we should make a comms tower for talk with it even when we aren t there. Making a laboratory there can be a good idea too.
>>4659420>Guilliman, Fulgrim, Russ, Lion, Horus, Dorn, Ferrus, Magnus, Sanguinius, Kurze, Corax, Lorgar, and Jaghatai all came to rule their homeworlds, not sure what you're on about. I doubt something fierce that we're in the same minority as Mortarion, Angron, Vulkan, and Perturabo.Vulkan is one of the greatest primarchs, we don't talk abut Perty, and unlike Angron and Mortarion, we'll conquer our world and then we can say "I will show you that all I did was not to hoard glory, wealth, or power, I will show you that this war was not for me to rise as the new ruler of Shangrala, but to ensure the prosperity of all the people on this world", that way, when we inevitably have to act as a ruler and general during the Great Crusade, no one will say that we just wanted power. Acting as an advisor when needed, we get all the benefits of being a ruler (Making Shangrala Great Again), while retaining our free time to actually help with tech, philosophy or anything else (because chinese rulers, despite being absolute sovereigns, were extremely bound by face, tradition, etc, sages and hermit monks had little to no bindings in that regard)>Monkey King didn't have a guandao.But anon, Lieren is the Monky king of Shangrala and his weapon of choice is the Gundao.>Primarchs age really inconsistently, we're like 8 and seem a young man, albeit a giant whereas someone like the Lion aged naturally. I think it'd be funny if we woke up one day and were a foot taller and had like 100 more pounds of muscle.>Lieren: [Wakes up as an even bigger giant, with a beard and long hair in a style that look like a mix of an oriental sage, the monkey king, a xianxia MC and a fog panther's mane]>Weynan: Lieren, you are finally a man!!! Now you can find a wife and give me lots of grandchildren.[Vishnu amazon sounds in the distance]Lieren: WHY FATHER, WHYYYYY?!?!!!
>>4659450>leaving the ship under the mountain.The fuck is wrong with you? We should dig it up after this war is over.
>>4659450>But a family name could be niceObviously we'll take our adoptive father's surname. It's only fitting that his lineage live on in history as one of greatness.
>>4659453> But anon, Lieren is the Monky king of Shangrala and his weapon of choice is the GundaoI like the staff and think it’s more fun. The arguments against multiple weapons is stupid though.
Alright, calling the vote now. Sorry for the wait. Machine spirit wasn't willing to negotiate Why all of you: 6Daiyu:10So, Lieren will state, if he does not return in time to lead the next battle, Daiyu is to lead in his steadWriting now>>4658013>>4658094Honestly thinking of burning sage near my router and PC on the off chance it'll do something, just need to find some adeptus mechanicus hymns and shit>>4658799>>4658815I wish it was a daemon engine, so there'd be a reason for its apparent malice, despite being an inanimate object>>4659400Nice work on that list>>4659450Also a nice list, though it'd be Starborn Lieren, unless Lieren decides to rename himself starborn and take Lieren as his family name.>>4659406>>4659408Not-Red Hare is a good boy, even if he has a lust for blood that rivals his former owner's>>4657336Hey, glad you're here to make it friend>>4659453Now that's a funny mental image
>>4659453>rulingThe best rulers are the ones who don't want to, we're gonna be in this role for a while as a result. Doesn't matter how much we want to be an administrator.>Lieren is the Monky king of Shangrala and his weapon of choice is the GundaoChoices change, Anon. I dunno about you, but I'd be enraptured by the sheer versatility of a replicating, size-changing bo staff if I were to find one buried somewhere. >>4659459 is right though, Horus, Fulgrim, Vulkan, and Robute all had multiple weapons they swapped out whenever.>>4659456Does Weynan have a surname? I've only heard him called Weynan.>>4659460HE LIVES, PRAISE BE
>>4659455I didn t say to leave it though. I said "And in the mountain near Kazeon we should make a comms tower for talk with it even when we aren t there. Making a laboratory there can be a good idea too."We can dig it up later, but we wouldn t have the means immediatly after the end of the Yang war. So a comms tower and a laboratory near the mountain would help both of us, until we have the means of digging the ship out.
What we should do is turn the area above the ship into the capital of the newly reforged Yan kingdom. Really show just how much change we can bring by making the bone devouring forest into a center of knowledge and trade.
>>4659456>>4659450>>4659460Tianzhang was agreed upon so we’d be the “Heavenly Hunter”
>>4659465> We can dig it up later, but we wouldn t have the means immediatly after the end of the Yang war. The ship has a manufactorum built into it. You’d have to be stupid to not understand what that means.
>>4659466>And then, Lieren, father of benevolence, forged a new capital in the heart of the bone devouring forest>When his wisdom was question, he responded by claiming it was a symbolic action, to "flex" on those skeptical of his ability to bring prosperity to any location>Many scholars still to this day debate the meaning of these words
>>4659467Mentioned, but never agreed upon.If it had been, we'd be called Tianzhang Lieren, but we're just called Lieren. Not that I'm against it, necessarily, I do wonder if Imperials will mistake whatever we decide on for our first name. They have a poor track record with languages from planets based in Asia, they named the White Scars the White Scars because of a mistranslation.
>>4659473They will see all our sons calling us Lieren and will also realize that Lieren is shorter and easier to pronounce. Do not underestimate human laziness and peer pressure
>>4659467It was never agreed upon, it was just the best option and continues to be (sorry starborn, but we know we have to stop when anime overpowers the realistic W40k feel of the quest)
>>4659468Even so the ship as extensive damage and it s under a large mountain. i still want to dig out the ship, but even if we start digging it out as soon as we can there is still other stuff to do, not to mention those crystals or possible dangerous substances that could leak out of the ship. Having a comms tower out of the mountain woud mean having Kazeon updated on what we are doing and knowing anything it needs for the ship (plus receiving is aid on anything we need). Which is very useful, since i believe we aren t going to remain there digging all the time. And also for when we aren t near the mountain, for example when we are in another part of the world.
>>4659484>Even so the ship as extensive damage and it s under a large mountainThe ship is self-repairing DOAT tech and might be able to produce DOAT excavation devices.> i still want to dig out the ship, but even if we start digging it out as soon as we can there is still other stuff to doShip makes other stuff easier.> not to mention those crystals or possible dangerous substances that could leak out of the shipWhich said ship might have a solution for.> Which is very useful, since i believe we aren t going to remain there digging all the time. Never said we would. I want to reduce excavation time to one year at the very most.
>>4659489And if it has none of those things to make excavation easier?Not to mention that it isn't a priority when compared to getting an actual infrastructure for the Kingdom of Yan up and running.
>>4659493> Not to mention that it isn't a priority when compared to getting an actual infrastructure for the Kingdom of Yan up and running.You really trying to say a functioning manufactorum or an AI from the DOAT wouldn’t help with that?
>>4659498I'm saying, not trying to, that digging it out is not a requirement for using such facilities, nor is focusing on that ship to the detriment of our people a good thing.Make the road, teach them to farms, reorganise the army at the very least so that when vishnu mc slavery fuck decides to try it on while we are fucking about in a workshop or under a mountain our people are defended.Because no, making the road doesnt require a manufactorum, nor would Kaz help much beyond doing as we did and plotting out where it exists. Stop looking 20 years ahead and focus on the next month to lay the foundations.
>>4659506You know what? We’re both making assumption. Let’s just wait and see since neither of us actually know the full situation.
>>4659516We'll see how the votes go.But as it is, the priorities I have outlined are the ones I would champion beyond all else.
>>4659466>>4659472A new capital there is a cool idea the surroundings for this new city would be ideal farmlands, so the settlement would be feed easily and water is abundant. We should do it when we manage to put the ship outside, just for be safe.Plus Kazeon can be connected to it.
>>4659527I don't like the close proximity to the unseen master.Feels like one of those "built on ancient indian burial mounds" kinda deals
No it is still to early to introduce such a vast, sweeping change to the very method war is waged. Firearms may have changed its face, but war still remains as the same beast beneath its new fangs and claws. To change the rules of a game in the middle of play, would be foolish, and to do so to war, would be catastrophic if a single misstep was made in the process. To restructure the traditional structure of command, would better be done when the war has been won and come to an end. Otherwise, the pains of transitioning from one method to another, could threaten to become a crippling weakness. One Yan Zihao could easily exploit.Even with the many advantages your forces hold, a genius can win any conflict no matter the tools at hand. However, the tools for are the lives of men. Men who do not share the same mind, heart or spirit. Yan Zihao is a genius, a master of the art of war. But his army is not. They are simple men, scared and fighting for their homes and kin. Fighting against a usurping monster that came stomping from some distance woodland. Fighting for survival against a monsterous enemy, a barbaric horde.Fighting to bring the noble twin dragons back to power, and revert the damages done by the devilish ogre.A smile creeps over your lips. At last it would seem, the time has come to play the card you have kept hidden away in your sleeve and deploy the most devastating weapon within your arsenal. To remove the mask as it were and shatter the backbone of the Yan's army, what little morale remains, to cruelly shatter hope and destroy the lies that began this war."If, I am unable to keep my word and join the battle against that clever old fox as I at last take my own banner in hand and valiantly lead from the vanguard myself to end that aging legend's tale" You say to Dai Niu, and all of the generals who had no doubt thought the very same question but did not have the courage to speak it.You pause, allowing your words time to settle and sink into the minds of the generals gathered before you. Pressing the tips of your fingers together, you press them together tightly, before relaxing the muscles in your hands to gentle press your palms together as well."Then, the one to lead in my stead, shall be the student of Yin Lei" You say, as many of his students and aids lift their chins and allow signs of pride to soak into their expressions, even Daiyu raises her head the moment your words reach her ears "One who has been personally trained by one of our own legends, a prospective heir to the title of "King of War". I speak of course of"You tilt your head by a few degrees, smiling warmly as a father may as he tell his son he has become a fine man."Gao Daiyu herself, the very spawn of the worm who began this conflict with his wicked heart and vile ways" You say, flashing a predatory grin as silence falls. Daiyu's eyes widen, shining like the black jade that she takes her given name from. cont
>>4659536Tears are forming within them, and soon, two solitary drops grace the woman's refined and unmarred features.Dai Niu closes his eyes and bows his head."I see, I see" He says, pulling his hand down the length of his thin beard "The banner of the twin dragons shall fly once more, honor and glory regained. A strange choice, but I have learned that one such as I am blind to your wisdom"It is obvious, many of her fellow students and peers, are unhappy with your choice. However, your four kings of war accept it wholeheartedly, so complete is their trust in your judgement."Lord Lieren" One of them at last says, after several long moments of utter silence, remaining in his seat, his hands upon his knees and his head bowed "I would be the first to admit, I could never reach the heights of your wisdom or hone my wit to match the razor edge of your own. But I will also be the first, to question your decision. Daiyu is"His words halt as you turn your gaze onto him and narrow your eyes. But your expression reminds kindly and gentle as always."Untested in regards to her own capabilities as a leader, she has yet to undertake the responsibilities of waging a battle as a leading general in her own right" He says after he manages to find his tongue and bravery once more "And while she may be a fellow student of the Black General, our army's own living Legend, but she is""What?" You question simply, the temperature of the room lowering by a few degrees as your wounds cut through the tension like a recently sharpened knife through hide.The young man begins to sweat, and tightens his grip, thus digging his nails into the fabric of his robes. Small red dots begin to appear from beneath his fingers, as the flesh beneath is stabbed into."A woman" He says quietly, still, you keep your composure "I mean no offense, but, by tradition and the values of our society, would the men truly suspect a leader who is not a man?"You laugh, throwing your head back, your iron mane of hair falling onto your shoulders and your back as you give you unspoken response to such a foolish belief."Haaaah, my dear friend, if you believe a woman cannot flourish and blossom beautifully in the theater of warfare, than I would suggest speaking with Kamakshi or Akanksha, or even Dandan, who has earned the moniker of "Firestorm" You say simply yet harshly"That is...they are not...it is an entirely different. A Vishnu woman is different than a Yan woman" He sputters, struggling to find the right words for the meaning he wishes to infer to you with them."Are they truly? Dandan is also a Yan woman, also from a line of disposed nobles, yet I would say she has above all other thrived in this conflict. And if you say a Woman cannot be a fighter, as generals are expected to be" You continue on, lecturing the misguided man as he slouches his body, tightly clenching his jaw as sweat drips from his chin cont
>>4659538"While the bodies of woman may be weaker by nature, Daiyu is one of the few to have raised a spear to me and lived, and our weapons do not require any particular prowess to wield. Though I would agree on a single observation you've made. In that, the Vishnu are of a different stock to us Yan, and thus, their woman could easily overpower you in a test of strength or prowess. If you wish to argue that truth, I would again, as you to test yourself against either of these two warrioress, bred by the brutal conditions of the Bone Devouring Forest""I...I understand, Lord Lieren, it was foolish of me to question your judgement. I merely wished to make it apparent, that morale may falter among our forces, if they know they are being led by a woman" The man says meekly, looking like he had just been victim to the harshest of tortures "that is all I wished to make apparent""That may be true, but many of the men in our army, follow the Journey I myself walk" You say kindly, turning your back to the man, raising a single open hand into the air as you do so "And thus, would not be blinded by the illusion of tradition, but to ease the worries of those who make their own way, I would personally advise Gao Daiyu"You turn your golden eyes to rest them upon the young woman herself, who is overcome with emotion, tears staining her cheeks which are flushed red, as she tries to maintain her composure and pride."That if I do not return, and the responsibility of leading the battle against Yan Zihao falls upon her shoulders, that she take on Her own teach, the venerated Yin Lei, and my brother in all but blood, the humble Jinhai" You say happily "And that she should raise her head high, and stand tall as a general should""I...I will not fail you, or your trust. Lieren" Daiyu manages to say, her voice as fraught with emotion as her expression "I will not squander this honor nor the chance to salvage the name of my family, I will succeed if I am called to lead such honorable and virtuous men to war, or I shall join them in their graves. I swear this to you, on my mother's legacy and name, on my own reputation and face"A solemn oath to make, but you can see the fire glowing within Daiyu's eyes. Like her spirit, her words are unbreakable. She will, if she must, win the battle or die trying. Hopefully, such a crossroads will not come in the way of her road of life."I trust your words completely, and know you would not falter in upholding your duty. Yin Lei! Train your student, in preparation for the chance that she must command our men in my stead. But I shall do all in my power to return and not force such a grave responsibility onto another!" You say solemnly but commandingly, your voice booming through the stone halls of Mao castle "I must take my leave now, to speak with one of the prisoners taken in battle"cont
>>4659539Clasping your hands together, you bow, and leave the war room entirely, and begin to march to find the room Kang Yongrui had been taken to.How shall you greet, the crippled heir of Lions, Lieren?>Silently walk into the room and sit down, allowing him to release all of his fury and rage against you>With a tray of fresh fruit and Dragon's spit Liquor, gently apologizing that you had to meet him as a foe rather than a friend. and introducing yourself>By relaying to him how close of a friend Small Chen was to you, and the respect you held for him.>Simply show him the reports written by the leaders of the scout forces, and ask if these are the actions of the master's he would serve>write in
>>4659542>Silently walk into the room and sit down, allowing him to release all of his fury and rage against you
>>4659542>With a tray of fresh fruit and Dragon's spit Liquor, gently apologizing that you had to meet him as a foe rather than a friend. and introducing yourself
>>4659542>Silently walk into the room and sit down, allowing him to release all of his fury and rage against you>Simply show him the reports written by the leaders of the scout forces, and ask if these are the actions of the master's he would serve
>>4659542>Silently enter and let him vent>Then explain how close Shen was to us, before introducing ourselvesIf we let him get all his bile and his rage out, he should be exhausted by the end of it at which point we can tell Kang about the man he murdered. From there, a proper conversation can begin with each of us understanding the other and more importantly we can discern when and where his rage comes from, a place of virtue or a place of selfish anger at his captivity.
>>4659542>>With a tray of fresh fruit and Dragon's spit Liquor, gently apologizing that you had to meet him as a foe rather than a friend. and introducing yourselfSporting chance. If he pokes the bear, then he'll get the angry eyes.
>>4659542>Silently walk into the room and sit down, allowing him to release all of his fury and rage against you>Simply show him the reports written by the leaders of the scout forces, and ask if these are the actions of the masters he would serve
>>4659542>>Silently walk into the room and sit down, allowing him to release all of his fury and rage against you>>By relaying to him how close of a friend Small Chen was to you, and the respect you held for him.
It is said the Emperor appeared before his lost son Lieren in the guise of an old wise man entering the Palace Monastery in the dead of night finding his child in meditation under an ancient tree among a pack of Mist Panthers.Serenely the wayward son asked whom had come so late that the moon was at it's peak and the heavens were presenting their glories, he offered the stranger drink and shelter without even looking upon him. But when the Emperor declined and sat down in front of his child only then did the over thrower of Tyrants open his eyes and look upon the figure before him; the Night where gold met gold.Yet Lieren was not overwhelmed with emotion nor exultation for his Star travelled sire instead he would take a measure of him as the two did battle not with steel but with words which truth be told were just as sharp.For three days and three nights they spoke wandering the gardens and mountains following the Great Road until finally they stopped where it all began; Nowhere. Lieren paid homage to the man whom had raised him and after a final debate consented to go with his maker into the heavens.
>>4659542I think we should also tell him our story, the whole story.
>>4659460>Not-Red HareSo Cui Fu was Lu Bu? His death is even more of a tragedy then.>>4659542>With a tray of fresh fruit and Dragon's spit Liquor, gently apologizing that you had to meet him as a foe rather than a friend. and introducing yourself
>>4659542>>Silently walk into the room and sit down, allowing him to release all of his fury and rage against you
>>4659478Yeah, Malal said he really liked it and might just use it when we get to the point where we would adopt a surname.Nothings set in stone, but i'm still a bug fan of the name Tianshang Lieren
>>4660293Sounds a bit off-brand for us now, I quite like the idea of taking our fathers last name instead so that his lineage can continue on.
>>4659542>Silently walk into the room and sit down, allowing him to release all of his fury and rage against you>By relaying to him how close of a friend Small Chen was to you, and the respect you held for him.>[write-in] A mixture of these two. Tell Kang of Small Chen, who he took from us, and ask him of his relatives, who we took from him.
>>4659542Supporting this post:>>4660502It seems the humane way to lament our lost, ask for a story of his family so that we can have a measure of their memory. If young Kang is willing, then we will share our tale.
>>4659542>>Silently walk into the room and sit down, allowing him to release all of his fury and rage against you>>By relaying to him how close of a friend Small Chen was to you, and the respect you held for him.>>[write-in] A mixture of these two. Tell Kang of Small Chen, who he took from us, and ask him of his relatives, who we took from him.
>>4659539>>>/tg/77635575Praise be the emperor Malal
>>4659542Start a GoFundMe, boss.I'm sure we'd all be able to chip in for a computer that doesn't doesn't need favorable wind conditions to function.
Alright calling the vote now. Silently walk in, and bare the lion's fury:11Bring Kang Yongrui a plate of fruit and drinks, and apologize you had to meet him as a foe rather than friend:4Simply show the heir of the Kang the reports written by the leaders of the scout forces, and ask if these are the leaders he would serve:4Explain how close Chen was to you:5Tell him your story, your whole story:1ask of Yongrui of his relatives:3Total votes 16So Lieren will allow Kang Yongrui to unleash all of his fury and rage against him, calmly accepting his spite in silenceWriting now >>4659629Except Cui Fu was extremely loyal to his master, rather than the still reigning champ of backstabbing>>4661465I mean I appreciate the offer, but I wouldn't do that. It'd feel wrong
>>4661613>So Lieren will allow Kang Yongrui to unleash all of his fury and rage against him, calmly accepting his spite in silencehttps://youtu.be/VlhFCeM4e10
It is the former dwelling of Mao Bolin himself, cleaned of its decoration and cleansed of its opulence, though the stench of the drugged smoke the last lord of the boars imbibed to calm his nerves and poison both his body and mind, still clung to its walls and the carpets that remained upon its floors.Two guards, stand on either side of the door. Red faced Wei and Xin. Two of Small Chen's closest friends, despite their difference in disposition. Many would call their assignment sheer foolishness, a folly sure to result in the unfortunate death of the man they guard. But, Wei and Xin, are also count you as a dear friend and admire you as their indomitable leader and patient teacher. Even with the grudge growing within the darkest corners of their hearts, you knew they would never act upon their darker emotions and desires.For they could not bear to lose another friend, so soon after the first to be lost ot them. "Red face, Xin" You say solemnly, Xin's usually energetic eyes tired and filled with the gloom of internal strife "You are dismissed from your duty, I must commend your resolve in the face of such temptation""If you kill him, tell me how he dies" Red Faced Wei said with a tired smile "If he lives, let me take a few of his teeth, brother Lieren""So violent, has the fire in your beard finally crept into your mind?" Xin says, pursing his lips as a monkey may as it hollers and hoots thoughtlessly "You need some rest my friend""Tch, don't act as though you're so pure, howler monkey" Wei replies as he yawns "I was of course, jocking, when I said what I said""I know, I simply do not see the point in cutting the life of a harmless joke short" You say gently, patting the man upon his shoulder just as gingerly "And Xin is right, you have not been sleeping much of late, rest your body and soul, Wei"Wei grunts and nods, as Xin hops behind him, shooting a single glance back to the door he had been stationed before for several hours."Take care, big brother, the lion may have lost his fangs, but his roar is still quite ferocious" Xin says, bouncing from foot to foot as he waited for his exhausted comrade to make it to his side once again, who then proceeds to walk into him, half asleep already. Wei has perhaps, suffered the most of all who knew Small chen."I have endured far more potent venom, than any that a Lion can produce" You say bluntly, waving the two away as Xin stumbles and curses as Red face nearly barrels him over, stubbornly walking forward despite the obstacle his friend presents to his way "Worry not, my friend"And with that, you push the ornate doors before you open, and crouch under the doorway to enter the room that once housed the last lord of the Mao.And before you, is a sorrowful sight. A tragic one. One that fills you heart with pain and grief burning as if freshly inflicted.cont
>>4661783Kang Yongrui. The proud heir and general of the silver lions of Kang, reduced to a shadow of his former glory. His muscles have atrophied and faded away, for the wounds he has suffered and survived that have rendered him so crippled. He sits, withered and twisted, in a simple chair carved of low quality wood, roughly hewed and held together by nails two inches too long for their purpose.His legs shake and twitch, damaged muscle fibers struggling to act as the broken man raises his head. A dry wheeze climbs out of his throat, struggling past his lips as his bright eyes narrow to glare at you as you enter. The one part of him that has not declined and faded. The defeated general's chest raises, trembling with every struggled breath he takes. Four of his fingers, are bruised and set in splints, the bones within shattered to dust.His nose, is bent, hastily set back into place after it had been broken. His bare legs, uncovered by the simple fur robes he had been dressed in, bare the scars of rifle fire.How pale he is, like a corpse left in a stream.General Yongrui's next breath, leaves his throat as a growl.You pull the doors shut behind you, never once taking your eyes off your captured foe as you do so. He shifts in his chair, his legs stiffen, and his hand with the fewest broken digits shoots to his side to tightly grip a simple walking stick, carved from worn wheel spoke.What anger burns within his eyes, so potent and focused. Like a cutting edge, like falling thunder. That fury and the life still struggling within his eyes proves to you that while Kang Yongrui may have lost his army, and has been condemned to live within a broken and crippled body, he has not been defeated.Had the spoke he uses to support his ruined legs been sharpened, you have no doubt his first action upon seeing you would be to hurl it with what little might remains within his macilent arms. Like the lion of his banner, he has not been tamed.Pushing himself to stand, his legs quake and struggle to hold up his weight. His third breath, becomes a snarl of righteous fury and long cultivated spite."The Ogre" He speaks at last, managing to step forward, leaning upon his ramshackle cane for support, pain clearly wracking his legs as he forces them to stand on their own power, a feat he has not accomplished since his capture.His long hair, streaked grey from the stress his body has endured and the shock that has stricken his heart and mind, flows down his shoulders and hides his face. Now he appears like a vengeful, murdered soul, seeking to avenge himself upon those who slew him.Kang Yongrui tries to laugh, but merely wheezes and coughs, before clenching his jaw and recomposing himself, standing tall as he grimaces and snarls, hiding his agony beneath a mask of undilitude rage. cont
>>4661787"You're as awful as the stories say you are. Bloated with muscle, and stretched to inhuman proportions. Where are your horns beast? where are your fangs?" He taunts, sneering as his body twitches, his eyes becoming alight with a new pang of torture as his muscles freeze against his will "Is this sorcery I see? or have you pulled them out to try and fool me"You say nothing, wincing as Chen's killer drags himself nearer to you, barely raising his feet from the floor. A storm begins to settle in your mind, conflicting feelings of empathy and lingering waves of hatred washing against each other. Each feeling wars for supremacy of your heart, but you remain silent and still yet."Or are you merely an overgrown peasant, with a natural inclination for treachery and lies? Ogre, I am curious, what has taken you so long, to bring me to my "Judgement"? I know how many have met their ends upon the rope you hang, I know how many you've crushed the lives of, or slaughtered because they merely stood in the way of your ambitions" He hisses, slouching to keep standing as the distance between you is lessened to a mere three steps "So what has delayed my execution? Have you dreamt cruel dreams, woven new and painful torments from the shadows of your minds? Have you only now found a fitting "punishment" for me, Kang Yongrui the Betrayed?"You do not reply, he looks into your eyes, and does not turn away. You expected as much, from a man as valorous and proud as the heir of the Kang."I killed one of your pets, after all, that's what you surround yourself with isn't it? Mere pets and tools. For what else could you call those traitors, who allow you to so freely maneuver and command their lives!" He screams, his voice cracking as pain seeps from his words, his eyes widening, the torments of his ruined body merely fueling his rage and bravery "Who roll over and offer not only all they own, but all they are to appease and please you! You may look a man, but your heart is as black as the Ogre you are called, beast"You remain unmoving, wearing an emotionless mask as you observe the infuriated lion struggling to stand before you, but only by the limitations of his body. Were he whole, his hands would be wrapped around your throat, struggling to squeeze the life from you."Benevolence! Nobility!! VIRTUE!!!" He roars, the twinges and groans of agony leaving his voice as righteous fury takes their place "How the fools you've blinded with honeyed words and sweet manner preach these lies in your place, Ogre, how they believe one as treacherous as you can ever dream to uphold such admirable qualities. I know your type, all you are is a thug, a lurker of shadows and murk, unfairly blessed with the strength to topple mountains and the acuity to trick the gods themselves"You do nothing, as Kang Yongrui grips his crude walking stick so tightly, his nails burrow into its surface. He lifts it, and remains standing. cont
>>4661791Slamming his other, shaking hand over the other, he slams the piece of wood in front of him, as an actor playing a warrior may with a mock sword. "How untouchable you stand, a villain with all the blessings of the heavens!" He laughs, throwing his head back, his hair falling away from his face and exposing the red scars and bruises that still mare his once handsome features "How confident and sure you stride, unafraid of the men you squash as mere insects. Men of noble birth, and of great talent, crushed and made into food for the crows. For, who could ever hope to stand against you? Cui Fu, the greatest warrior Yan has ever known, he was the first to see you for what you are, and what happened to that man whose family had long strove to attain divine strength and unmatched prowess?"He ventures another step closer, shaking his head and hiding his expression with his hair once again."He was beaten, with the same ease a grown man would a child, by an aberration who had never trained a day in his life with blade or spear. The Sparrow's respite , unbreakable by all the armies of the Vishnu and the heaven's wrath itself, broken open like the shell of a nut by your hands, so you could pluck the life away from Lord Tao Song" Kang Yongrui raves "All because of that unnatural body of yours. Gao, was a wicked man, depraved and foul. But it is easy for your followers to forget, the many others you've used as stepping stones before you own master and after. How many lives you've crushed, like the Zhou Wenyan, or Shen Bohai. What crimes did they commit, beyond merely being in your way, ogre?"You clench your jaw. You respect Cui Fu, You respect Tao Song. They were both men who had lost their ways and become wicked, tragic losses of men who may have once been good and virtuous, unfortunate wastes of potential. "How many children have you left orphaned? How many wives widowed? I know you act so kindly to them, the weakest of society, so gracious and gentle. Yet how many have you left without parents? how many have you deprived of safety, to punish their husbands? How many bones litter that great road of yours? Those fields you tend, how much blood has soaked the soil to allow them to grow?" Kang Yongrui ponders, eyes still locked with yours. The only men to endure looking into the golden depths of your eyes for this long, are Feng, Jinhai, Yin Lei, and your own father, Wenyan.What a fearsome power spite can be, how effectively it can bolster the mind when the body fails. By all means, Kang Yongrui should be on the floor, struggling for breath. He had been shot multiple times in the chest, the bullets still remain. One side of his hip had been damaged, and a femur cracked by the metal that had pierced it. Yet he stood, fueled by the disgust and fury you inspired within him.cont
>>4661796"Prosperity, oh do any of those who sing your praises and worship the shit you tread upon, understand how many lives have been used as kindling to light that fire they call hope? How many men you have cut down, to pave the way for the bounty your share" He says standing directly in front of you know, using his more injured hand to brush locks of hair away from his eyes "How much blood has been spilt in the name of your ambition? How many men lie dead because of you? How many corpses have you left hanging from trees like the most gruesome of fruit? So many blinded by the light of your charisma, so many cowed and intimated by the strength of the Giant or ferocity of the Ogre. You stand above all men, you are unique beneath the heavens. A monster in the dressings of a man"He puts his walking stick between your legs and looks up to you."Unbeatable, indomitable, unconquerable, unyielding, stalwart, "valiant", resolute and fearless, for none could ever match you, none could ever challenge you, none can stand to resist you anymore than a stick in a river could hold the torrents of a flood" He hisses, his arms and legs shaking as tears flow down his cheeks "Who could ever hope to pierce that ogreish hide of yours? Who could ever dream to make you bleed?"His eyes narrow and he sneers."Yet, I, Kang Yongrui, have wounded you? Haven't I? Your loyal pets, I've heard the words they speak. The grief you suffer, the pain inflicted by my hand. The suffering within your heart. Even if it is all but an act, I am the one man, to bring you to your knees, if even for a moment. You wailed and cried, because of me" He says darkly, snarling every syllable "Over what? the death of one man? A mere bloody nose compared to the wounds you have dealt and inflicted with the same serenity and poise as a maiden picking flowers, with the ease of killing livestock! One man's death managed to do more to you, than all the might of the Yan and all of those who have died preaching your insipid Journey!" Kang Yongrui laughs, wheezing and coughing as he does."One man. You mourn one man" he cackles "One man when you yourself dig the graves for thousands of men, and many more. You cry and mourn, when by your hand, my kin, noble and good and as virtuous of any of your pets, as brave as any of your brotherhood of panthers, as valorous of any man who marches for your banner WERE SLAUGHTERED like animals, by the spears and swords of the men we came to liberate. The very men we marched to stand beside and reinforce, to reclaim their home and save their families from your grip. Our allies, men we swore to fight beside, and they cut my army, my cousins, my uncles, my nephew! down like rabid dogs. All because you wormed your way into another old man's heart. How long until Dai Niu joins Gao Liwei in hell? You hypocrite, you blight upon shangrala, you liar and trickster from the depths of hell"You maintain your composure and keep from replying in word or action. cont
>>4661798"What? Do you have no answer? For how you could mourn the death of one man in a war, while your rebellion stands upon a foundation of bones. How can you, so virtuous and benevolent, call for great men, by birth, talent or character to be slaughtered and betrayed, and then turn and act as though you had been dealt a mortal wound, because one man of such value died following your orders, to fulfill YOUR dream?!" Kang Yongrui snarls "Come now, Ogre, you've killed every man whose dared to speak what others are too cowardly to say. Was my death delayed by you being as inconsolable as that dead man's own widow? Or do you think you can make me see the "truth"?"He turns his back to youKang Yongrui lurches back to the chair, and collapse upon it, struggling to breath once again, eyes half closed."I know it already, do not waste your breath. You are a thug and brute, a hypocrite who commends the virtue of those who will follow him, and condemns those virtuous men who stand against him. One who will mourn the loss of such a man who stood by his side, yet not even care to learn the names of those who meet their ends by his machinations even if they are of the same breed as the pet he mourns" He sighs, what energy and strength he had managed to muster fading quickly from his form "So, go on, tell me the crimes I am guilty of, fulfilling my duty perhaps? Upholding my oath? Rushing to save another family's land? Attempting to save lives of men who I have never met? Or, am I guilty, simply because I am the first to kill one of your so called "friends"?"What do you say in reply, Lieren?>It is true, I have killed men who held virtues before. Men of talent, of renown. men who deserve to be called noble, and unfortunately, the price of war includes men I would even call virtuous.>I see you respect Small Chen, even if you think the rest of us vile creatures. Is it because he gave his life for another, as you would have done>Do not speak of what you have no comprehension of!! I have killed only the amount of men necessary to achieve what I have labored for my entire life! The prosperity of all men!>I am sorry, for what has happened to you. And what I have done to you. I wish we could have met before Lord Dai sprung the trap I commanded him to lay. I can only see the measure of a man, by seeing them with my own two golden eyes. I am sorry, for the pain I have caused you and I forgive you. I mourn Chen, but I do not hate you>Write in
>>4661801>I see you respect Small Chen, even if you think the rest of us vile creatures. Is it because he gave his life for another, as you would have doneBreak down his tirade point by point. Give him our story piece by piece. If he's virtuous he will see through his hate. If he's not then we deal with him
>>4661801>It is true, I have killed those who held virtues before.>I see you respect Small Chen, even if you think the rest of us vile?>I am sorry for all that has occured to you.>Write in: But for all the virtue I have commanded dead, and it grieves me that I must, The Yan and their ways are without it and spread nothing but pain and horror. The reason I have not had you executed is because I don't believe you to be the same ilk as the Yan.Acknowledge our faults, as is our way, but we do as we do because we must.
>>4661833Actually nevermind, he's just gonna call it a hypocrite again. Changing to >>I see you respect Small Chen, even if you think the rest of us vile creatures. Is it because he gave his life for another, as you would have doneWith the expectation of breaking down his attack point by point.
>>4661842He is going to call it hypocrisy, no doubt. Nor is he ever going to be convinced in one conversation, the man seems to acknowledge that some nobles are cunts and that we seem to be doing this for an okay reason, he just focuses on all the shit contrary to our stated beliefs which are a nessecity to making them last.
>>4661801>I see you respect Small Chen, even if you think the rest of us vile creatures. Is it because he gave his life for another, as you would have done>I am sorry, for what has happened to you. And what I have done to you. I wish we could have met before Lord Dai sprung the trap I commanded him to lay. I can only see the measure of a man, by seeing them with my own two golden eyes. I am sorry, for the pain I have caused you and I forgive you. I mourn Chen, but I do not hate you
>>4661801>Tell him “It seems to me that you don’t actually hate anyone that follow me so much as you seek to say something that wounds me.”>I see you respect Small Chen, even if you think the rest of us vile creatures. Is it because he gave his life for another, as you would have done>ask him how many of his fellow nobles care for the peasants beneath them rather than seeing them as nothing more than tools
>>4661801>>I am sorry, for what has happened to you. And what I have done to you. I wish we could have met before Lord Dai sprung the trap I commanded him to lay. I can only see the measure of a man, by seeing them with my own two golden eyes. I am sorry, for the pain I have caused you and I forgive you. I mourn Chen, but I do not hate youAs much as i'd like to break this guy down through conversation, we just don't have time for it right now. He's on deaths door anyway. I say we simply apologize and get what we came for, we can reflect on the truth or not of his words later.
>>4661801I’ll support >>4661871
>>4661911We literally have a full week.
>>4661801>"How much blood has been spilt in the name of your ambition? How many men lie dead because of you? How many corpses have you left hanging from trees like the most gruesome of fruit?">[Write-in] It seems you rage against the nature of war itself rather than my 'ambitions'. Am I to believe the heir of the silver lions is unbloodied? Tell me what honeyed words you use to defeat tyrants and why you didn't use them on Gao, as wicked as you even admit he was. >Or do the lives of the peasants who where SLAUGHTERED by starvation and for twisted sport matter little as long as the valorous Kang can keep his station under his Yan masters?>Yan master so treacherous they attempted to assassinate Dai Niu simply for speaking with me, to ask after his family. Such virtue! But I think Kang Yongrui the Betrayed need return his epithet to its rightful owner!>You say your march was to rescue Dai Niu's home and family which is forgivable, even noble, but of course you leave out its true aim which was to extend the reach of the Yan, which is not.>You mock my grief over one man but from where does the Heir of Yongrui's grief spring? Do the bloody battlefields of war grieve the General? Certainly the macabre courts of Yan do not.Something like this but better written. I think the Lion might respect the controlled passion.
>>4661974Malal didn't give a specific amount of time. he said "upon the eve of battle," whenever that is.
>>4661801>>4661819Support this:>I see you respect Small Chen, even if you think the rest of us vile creatures. Is it because he gave his life for another, as you would have doneThen telling him our story and something like >>4661985And then to finish we apologize with this>I am sorry, for what has happened to you. And what I have done to you. I wish we could have met before Lord Dai sprung the trap I commanded him to lay. I can only see the measure of a man, by seeing them with my own two golden eyes. I am sorry, for the pain I have caused you and I forgive you. I mourn Chen, but I do not hate you.
>>4661801>I see you respect Small Chen, even if you think the rest of us vile creatures. Is it because he gave his life for another, as you would have doneHe thrives in confrontation, so dance around his arguments.
>>4662120Good point.But I have to say, each time we interact with this man my admiration for him increases in leaps and bounds. Such will, such power, I wonder if they truly have such virtue as to be a man worthy of having their body fixed.
>>4661985I also like this. I am changing my vote >>4661830 to yours but also keeping>I'm sorry for what occured to you
Maybe using the “empty cup” metaphor would be a good idea.https://youtu.be/WPDo75nCtiYKong is using preconceived notions of who we are and is refusing to let go of them, thus his cup is full. Maybe we should request some tea.
Also I’m against saying sorry because words alone are meaningless after ruining someone’s life.
>>4662236It's never meaningless to apologise. Even if they dont care and will never accept them.
>>4662245It should be the very last thing we say, before we leave not this early. So yes this is effectively an empty gesture. We need to make it clear we aren’t the strawman in his head first.
>>4662259Why would it be an empty gesture now rather than before we change his preconceptions.
>>4662263It’ll be demissed and disregarded as a deception or an insult (we fucking ruined his life), he might become even less willing to believe us.
>>4662297I take that under consideration and retract the apology from>>4662199
>"How much blood has been spilt in the name of your ambition? How many men lie dead because of you? How many corpses have you left hanging from trees like the most gruesome of fruit?">[Write-in] It seems you rage against the nature of war itself rather than my 'ambitions'. Am I to believe the heir of the silver lions is unbloodied? Tell me what honeyed words you use to defeat tyrants and why you didn't use them on Gao, as wicked as you even admit he was.>Or do the lives of the peasants who where SLAUGHTERED by starvation and for twisted sport matter little as long as the valorous Kang can keep his station under his Yan masters?>Yan master so treacherous they attempted to assassinate Dai Niu simply for speaking with me, to ask after his family. Such virtue! But I think Kang Yongrui the Betrayed need return his epithet to its rightful owner!>You say your march was to rescue Dai Niu's home and family which is forgivable, even noble, but of course you leave out its true aim which was to extend the reach of the Yan, which is not.>You mock my grief over one man but from where does the Heir of Yongrui's grief spring? Do the bloody battlefields of war grieve the General? Certainly the macabre courts of Yan do not.>I'm sorry for what occurred to you
Hahahaha, please, someone photoshop Dandan over mongolian in pic related
>>4663027How does she even looks like?
>>4661985>>4662766Guess I’m on board with this too.
>>4663027I went with some generic chinese painting for dandan.This shitty edit took more effort than it had any right to.
>>4663162Especially when this one was much faster, easier and looks better.
>>4663163I like this one better, more representative of her noble upbringing.
>>4663162>>4663163Wow guys, I actually meant to photoshop the word "Dandan" over the word "mongolian". Best confusion ever, you are all incredible
>>4663234I read it was "photoshop over the mongolian" and thought it was the man.Anyway here is how you wanted just in case.
>>4662766I dig it
>>4662766I'll back this
Looks like the heir of Kang is getting put on blast because hey, turns out war isnt good for everyone
>>4662766Fuck it, supporting this is the last time I'm changing my vote, I swear.
>>4662766I will support it too, but remove the emphasis from slaughtered and change the "to extend the reach of the Yan" to "hold down the grip of Yan", since they are tecnically fighting a rebellion, not invading another country.
>>4661801>Laughs in Dandan
First time poster,finally read through the archives.Good job on a well done quest QM. I vote for this >>4662766but without being confrontational, rather like imparting our wisdom to him. Also do the armies of Lieren have no concept of asking for the enemies surrender? When i originally read of Dai Niu's orders to battle Kang Yongrui i thought that he will lure him in the Dais camp and then take him and his army prisoners(you are surrounded, surrender to spare the lives of your men kind of deal).
>>4664035Capture an entire army? That doesn't even know it's surrounded yet, thus refusing the offer and denying us the suprise attack?The logistics of prisoners would probably dent our ability to wage war considerably and those first few seconds of surprise and chaos are when we would gain the greatest advantage. Dai Niu was right to not give it up.Sad as it is, for every army unit we capture as prisoners, we are weakened by having to care for them.
>>4664037Well not everyone would remain a prisoner since many tend to go to Lieren's side eventually. I meant however luring Kang in to the camp and then when they had their guard down capture them(with possible hidden Lieren's forces revealing themselves then). Considering how the armies of the Yan work, if we took the leaders prisoners in the beginning of the battle the rest of the army might have surrendered.
>>4664035>>4664049they were tasked with "harassing and maiming" the enemy army. that isn't an order to take prisoners.
>>4664154Specificaly Lieren orders: "Dai Niu, they do not yet know of your defection and betrayal, thus your army will be able to catch them by surprise and completely unprepared for your attack" and "As I trust your expertise, Lord of Cavarly, but I would suggest acting as a distraction to allow Dai to strike Kang as they move against your riders, or being one half of a pincer movement, thus trapping the Kang between two armies. As a hammer and anvil". While indeed there is no mention of capturing prisoners, considering how bad Dai Niu felt for his betrayal to Kang, you'd think he would at least try to make them surrender in order to spare as many lives as possible. I mean why shouldn't they at least try to save some people if it was possible?
>>4661801>we'z wuz Kang'sThe Kang's probably relate to the lion like how they're both prideful. Perhaps we can exploit his pride to break him down so he can truly understand the big picture here.Maybe we could also do this more often. Talking with prisoners of war I mean. Seems humbling and an additional means to keep Lieren humbed I think?
>>4662766Support, though I'd like to mention something about the Yan taking all the women and children, just to drive home how horrible they are. Pity we don't have a man like Oberstein on our side who can suggest and take the blame for all our more difficult decisions. I kinda feel bad for how Dai is now.
Weird everyone is supporting 'my' post when I just copied >>4661985Is it because I put a picture? Also Toki from FotNS is also a good face claim for Lieren
>>4664749Honestly yes. If you post an image alongside your text people are more likely to read what you wrote.
>>4664749Toki's face on Roah's body is probably the best description of Lieren's physical appearance.
>>4661801>It is true, I have killed men who held virtues before. Men of talent, of renown. men who deserve to be called noble, and unfortunately, the price of war includes men I would even call virtuous.Write-in: "Who would you name those as virtuous among those that stand against me? Would you say the Yan family, that nominate such foul puppets as the lord of Gao? Tell me, so that we may spare effort to save those worthwhile."Write in: "You ask the number of those slain in the conflict. It is the number of those armies who are led by those who will not acknowledge the worth of the labourers of the land, the conscripted soldiery, and the families they originate. Have a care - because this question reflects on those who fight me.">I see you respect Small Chen, even if you think the rest of us vile creatures. Is it because he gave his life for another, as you would have done>>4662766Pretty much this>>4663162>>4663163>>4663254Dandan is best grill
>>4664767>Dandan is best grillBut can she duel on even ground with the strongest of warriors or lead legions of men?Lieren may be married to enlightenment, but as far as the hearts of anons go she's got some stiff competition.
>>4664749Honestly, it was because I was feeling lazy and didn't want to scroll up too much.
>>4664770So Cui Fu was best girl all along? How can one death destroy so much potential?>>4664767Oh, this write-in is nice, but sounds a bit higher-than-thou and just shifting blame instead of justifying ourselfs.Still going to give my support though.
>>4664821>So Cui Fu was best girl all along? How can one death destroy so much potential?If Cui Fu was the exact same in every metric but his gender was swapped, anons would have voted to let her live.
>>4664822I don't think letting him live was a real option. We gave him our justification best we could and he still thought us a devil incarnate.
>>4664822Nah we wouldn't. Because a defining trait of Cui Fu was that he was never going to see our way of things and was deathly loyal to Gao.
>>4664842I don't know anon, I want to have faith that the anons of this particular quest aren't brainless idiots who lose all rationality at the first sign of waifus, but we know that's just not true
>>4664922You are either very self deprecating or you have ignored a good portion of the conversation whenever the subject comes up.Either way, sweeping statements never age well.
>>4664922I'm notI understand that Lieren is a Primarch and thus has no sex drive and act accordinglyWe should instead play matchmaker by shipping our companions with good women
Alright, calling the vote now. Sorry for the wait, but for once it wasn't because of technical issues.I see you respect small chen, even if you think the rest of us as vile creatures...:6it is true I have killed those who held virtue...:2I am sorry for all that has occurred to you...: 15It seems to me you don't actually hate anyone who follows me...:2Ask how many of his fellow nobles even care about the common folk:2the BIG write in:15Who would you name virtuous among those that stand against me:2You ask the number of those slain in conflict:2Alright, so the BIG write in here >>4662766 and here>>4661985wins, so that's what Lieren will Tell Kang Yongrui, as well as apologizing for the tragedy that has befallen the heir of the KangWriting now.took awhile to count this one, I will admit>>4663162>>4663163>>4663254Fucking amazing work lads.>>4664035Thank you, welcome aboard.
Which his rage subsiding and his energy spent, you at last turn you gaze down towards Kang Yongrui, and look directly upon his crippled form once again. Serenely, you press your hands together and bow your head, to keep your eyes trained onto crippled Lion in a show of respect. You take in a deep breath, of hot, fetid air, straightening your back and shoulders as the scent of summer winds and unwashed sweat washes over your senses. It leaves your lungs as a cool sigh, a gentle breeze whispering through the word. Kang Yongrui, does not avert his gaze. No doubt, the pain his own mangled body inflicts upon him renders any discomfort caused by your mere gaze meaningless in comparison. Closing your lips, you part your hands from each other, and motion towards the man sitting crumpled before you with one while keeping the other pressed against your chest vertically."It would seem that you rage against the nature of war itself, rather than my "ambitions"" You says with a soothing and gentle voice, that sounds akin to the noises of a slowly flowing stream "Am I to believe the heir of the silvered lion's is unbloodied?"The fire of fury reignites in Kang Yongrui's tired eyes, reacting towards the insult towards his warrior's spirit, but he remains silent."Tell me of the honeyed words you use to defeat tyrants? and why you didn't use them on Gao" You say, pressing your hands back together as you glance away him, to allow him some respite from the piercing stare of your golden eyes "As wicked as you admit him he was""There is a difference, between a honest war and that of a liars. I marched to return to an old man his home and kin" Kang Yongrui hisses "There is a difference, Giant, between a spear stabbed through a man's front to one that pierces his back. Death is unavoidable in war, I detest men who would ignore the price of lives they incur upon their foes but then turn to mourn the death of a single man""I mourn the men who must die, but it is also natural to grieve for those who you love" You say sorrowfully, bowing your head once again as you speak "But, do you mourn every man who has served beneath you? or simply the officers of rank?""They all died via the same spear that pierced them from the back" Kang Yongrui says, deflecting your question and attempting to use it as another barb against you."Or do the lives of the peasants who were slaughtered by starvation and for twisted sport matter little" You say, righting your posture again as you reply to the trap laid in words with another question "So long as the valorous Kang can keep their station under their Yan masters"Kang Yongrui rises, like a vengeful spirit, his vigor and energy returned with the insult to not only himself, but his line.cont
>>4665063"You dare!! What of the peasantry who are turned to little more than torn meat and splintered bones by your hellish weaponry? Men who came to save another, and had their hopes and lives dashed by his betrayal! Do you mourn them alongside those slain by apathy and sadism?!" He roars, his nails digging so fiercely into his walking stick that a most horrid scratching sound is made "or do you weep for your followers alone?""As you yourself said, every war has its price of deaths. If there was a means to achieve what I have striven for for the entirety of my life, without loss of life, I would have taken that path instead of the one I now walk" You say sorrowfully, sighing and shaking your head as the crippled heir of the Kang snarls."So you claim, yet by the treachery you commanded, near the entirety of my family's army has been slaughtered like common swine. Noble and peasant alike" Kang Yongrui growls, shaking his head in turn, his unwashed mane covering his eyes once again "Cease your babbling of virtue and benevolence and halt your accusations of heartlessness. For I to have mourned, but I have not allowed myself to be blinded by a dogma penned by my own hand""Self righteousness? is that what you accuse me of? because I have mourned a dear friend of mine, as you yourself have" You say in response, clicking your tongue as you pause to take another calming breath of air in through your nose "or is it because I well understand that with masters like those you serve, prosperity cannot be obtained without bloodshed""No, I accuse you of such, because you speak of virtuous men and benevolent intent, yet commit the most vile of deceptions and cruelest trickery" Kang Yongrui replies "and would look down your nose at those who speak out against this hypocrisy" "Treachery...you keep speaking of treachery. I will not deny, I have committed trickery and have deceived a handful of my enemies to achieve the ends I seek" You say calmly, pressing one of your hands over your twin hearts as you speak "But is the treachery I have commited truly comparable to the masters you serve?"Kang Yongrui narrows his eyes, taking on the mein of a serpent as he stares through you in an attempt to study you, and divine your meaning and intent. Yet the disgust he holds for you remains as easily seen as it has since you first laid your eyes upon him. He does not speak, but simply waits to hear what you have to say. It is at this moment, this meeting becomes a duel of words rather than an exchange of proclamations and denouncements."The Yan, masters so treacherous they attempted to assassinate Dai Niu simply for speaking with me, to ask of his family" You continue, lowering your voice to achieve a quiet yet grave inflection with which to dye your words "Haah, Such virtue! But I believe Kang Yongrui the Betrayed needs to return his epithet to its rightful owner"cont
>>4665064He responds by tossing his walking stick away. It bounces twice before clattering to the floor, marked with deep grooves where Kang Yongrui ran his nails to temper and control his wrath."One treachery does not excuse another! if that is the belief you hold, you are a fool despite your intellect. And a coward!" He snarls, still not turning his eyes away from your own "To make another shoulder the burden of your dishonor, is sickening, to use an unpayable debt to force another to do such wickedness, is fouler than simply ordering him to slit his own throat. Dai Niu may have been saved by your hand, but he was also damned by it""Yes, the so called "treachery of turtles", a stain Dai Niu will never be able to clean from himself. It hangs over this meeting like it does Lord Dai himself, as a pestilent miasma" You say bluntly "I understand the wound I have asked him to bear, and the tragedy it became for you. But it was all done with a purpose""To win the war, to ensure the minimal amount of casualties for the men who serve you" Kang Yongrui answers "with no regard for the man who must lower himself to such villainy to commit such an act, and the men who feel its sting. Dai Niu was a man of noble graces, and he shall never be again because of your command"You take a long, ponderous breath, using the moments of silence to clear your mind of useless detritus and wild emotion."I have never denied that sacrifices must be made at times, even if I detest that harsh truth. However, you claim your march was solely to rescue Dai Niu's family and home, which is not merely forgivable motivation but even a most noble one. But of course, you leave out the true aim and final goal of such an action""Which is to maintain the stranglehold the Tyrants of Yan held over the lands you marched to reclaim, which is not noble nor forgivable" You say coldly as Kang Yongrui falls back into the roughly made chair given to him "You mock my grief over one man, but is your rage not a product of similar mourning? From whence does the Heir of Kang's grief spring? Do the bloody battlefields of war so grieve you for certainly the macabre courts do not? or is it as simple as it seems, that the lie I commanded Dai Niu to commit has enraged you, for the cost it has taken from you and the lives of your men, the same "hypocrisy" you accuse me of committing""Do not act ignorant, I know you can see through my words and into my very heart. You know why I hold such disgust and contempt for you, Giant!" Kang Yongrui hisses, lowering his head mournfully as he spews further venom and hatred cont
>>4665066"Simply because you are generous and kind to many, does not forgive that sheer coldness, and uncaring brutality you employ to achieve your ends. Had I not survived, you would have forgotten the means you used to defeat the Lions of Kang. Had I not existed as a reminder of your sins, you would have continued on, without once feeling guilt for the treachery used to take my head. Perhaps, if you love for you followers is true, and they are more than pets to you, you would have regretted the eternal shame forced upon Dai Niu for...what"He rests his elbows upon his knees, to hold himself up as he leans and turns his eyes once more to your own"A season? Two maybe? perhaps even until the very day of his death. A shame you had yourself burdened him with, by the debt he owed for his life. What a hollow existence, to be scorned for repaying an oath to your savior" Kang Yongrui hissed with a deep scorn "That is assuming of course, the heroism you performed was not but another lie, another deception to win the Dai's loyalty. With all your inhuman strength, boundless charisma, and shining intelligence, you still resort to such underhanded tactics. How men can stomach admire you, worship you even, is inexplicable to me"You bow your head"I am sorry for what occurred to you" You say truthfully, and honestly "and the part I played in it. I wish we could have met before Lord Dai sprung the trap I commanded him to lay""Hollow words for a hollow man" Kang Yongrui mutters ruefullyYou stare him in the eyes, focusing intently on the black wells in their center, his pupils, which contract as if stunned by a sudden and bright light."I can only see the measure of a man when I see them with my own two golden eyes" You say sadly, keeping your head bowed just enough to keep your eyes locked with your prisoners "I am sorry for the pain I've caused you""What a gift, an apology given for the death of kin true and loyal, what a bounty I have been given!" Kang Yongrui mocks "Is that the excuse you give? My suffering was what? A mere mistake? A cruel twist of fate? because you did not meet me before you made to tear my throat out like a rabid beast? How insipid" "I speak the truth, whether you can see it or not. I have not lied once to you, Noble Kang Yongrui" You say solemnly, standing to your full height and raising your head with confidence once more "and I forgive you. It is true, I mourn Chen, but I do not hate you"Kang Yongrui looks confused now, his lips twisted and curled as he hears your words."Forgive me?!" He roars, veins popping over his bro "What depths of conceit! what hubris!""You may see me as your enemy, Heir of Kang, but to me you are but a foe. If we had met under different circumstances, I would have been proud to consider a man of your make among my friends, as I had Small Chen" You reply calmly, smiling for the first time since you began speaking with Kang Yongrui.cont
>>4665067"What distinction is there, between enemy and foe?!" Kang Yongrui gapes, confusion surmounting his once blinding rage"An enemy is one who opposes your very existence or that of the beliefs you hold, a foe is but one you fight against for one reason or antoher . Among the servants of Yan, you are as Dai Niu was, but a foe to me" You say simply "Courts above, you were serious!" Kang Yongrui Laughs, sneering as he does "You can kill without spite, all that has happened to me and my kin and the brave men cut down by your orders, you consider but a tragic mistake. All the agony and suffering, because you set another in your stead, and believe if we had met under different stars we may have been allies. How insipid, how foolish. How has a man as naive as you survived and thrived so well to bring a kingdom to its knees!?"What is your answer, Lieren?>I consider every man I kill a mistake. Do you think I make exceptions for my enemies? I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, but some men must die. But that does not mean I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were>With the aid of those who believe my "insipid" words, truthfully. I may stand above all other men, but a Lion may be brought low by a swarm of mice and in the end, I am but one man. >Power? Genius? Charisma? When the world stands against you, guile is a far more effective weapon to hold. it is because of the same treachery you curse me for, that I have been able to bring low a dynasty that has rule for hundreds of years. Look down on my methods if you must, but beyond even firearms, they are the reason for the Yan's defeat.>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!>write in
>>4665070>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!
>>4665070>>I consider every man I kill a mistake. Do you think I make exceptions for my enemies? I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, but some men must die. But that does not mean I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were>>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!
>>4665070>>I consider every man I kill a mistake. Do you think I make exceptions for my enemies? I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, but some men must die. But that does not mean I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were>>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!Add that we consider the stunt we pulled with Dai Niu a mistake as well.
>>4665070>I consider every man I kill a mistake. Do you think I make exceptions for my enemies? I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, but some men must die. But that does not mean I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!
>>4665070>I consider every man I kill a mistake>Because it is a kingdom of tyrantsWe don't want to kill anyone, really, we don't. But again, they have to.
>>4665070>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!>I consider every man I kill a mistake. Do you think I make exceptions for my enemies? I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, but some men must die. But that does not mean I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were
>>4665070>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!If we had just killed Gao, made peace with Yan and simply replaced the dynasty, our lands would be peaceful and properous, while the rest suffer while being funded by our riches.The fox has to fall.
>>4665155they'd probably have killed us anyway if they are clever. Once you murder your lord, you can't trust them not to do it again
>>4665155>I consider every man I kill a mistake. Do you think I make exceptions for my enemies? I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, but some men must die. But that does not mean I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once wereFuck I forgot to copy this one too. RIP Cui Fu, if you were alive we would pair you with one of the vishnu and have a super soldier dynasty.
>>4665167He still stands as the only person to face Lieren in personal combat unafraid...who isn't a sorcerer/ demon who can nigh instantaneously teleport.He was a man, a man who was the product of generation of eugenics, sure.but he was still just a man, who managed to land a hit on a primarch.
What is our purpose again for talking to the Kang? Are we still going to stick him with the Lotus or some other guy?
>>4665188Truly, he is the greatest warrior that shangrila has ever produced.>>4665196I think we just had to see if he knew anything, and talk with our friends killer before we forget about him.
>>4665196Because the dude has virtue, we can't go around executing our foes just for standing against us. That would go against what we teach.The snake brothers on the other hand we got to do a quick judging and hanging before we set off.
>>4665210Snake brother. Xue De got atomized by Dandan's "orchestra" cause he ran into the middle of it trying to flee it. Xue Hong remains in captivity, awaiting his judgement.Xue Liang saw what happened to the other parts of the Xue Three, and fucked off back to the swamps
>>4665224>Xue De got atomized by Dandan's "orchestra"We've gotta have a talk with that girl. She needs to get a handle on things before she encounters Imperial ordinance.
>>4665070>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!>I consider every man I kill a mistake. Do you think I make exceptions for my enemies? I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, but some men must die. But that does not mean I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were.Is this guy serious? He calls Lieren self-righteous when he is just butthurt that we defeated him with trickery and does not question, even dodges when asked, his "righteous" inaction against horrible and despicable acts of abuse and genocide (because everyone in the lands of Gao was about to die of FUCKING HUNGER). He calls Lieren dishonorable when he serve almost-chaos cultist tyrants, he calls Lieren an hypocrite that talks about peace and prosperity for all and then kills peasant levies when he is the one sending then and in our place would have killed not only the levies but also the aligned noncombatant civilians for the treason of not wanting to starve. I get that he despises his current situation and the honorless act that led to it, but he and his men would have died anyways against a wall of firearms if we had told Dai niu to not feign his alliance to the last moment. We have made ONE mistake that was actually the best strategy. It was unnecessary, but we were away conquering an entire house and it's army so we wanted the plan to succeed 100% because what this war will bring, our goal, is too important, more than even our life or the lives of any individual under our command. One season less of war is thousands less that suffer the abuse of Yan and hundreds of people less that die, civilians or combatants.
>>4665281I think he is completely serious.
>>4665070>I consider every man I kill a mistake. Do you think I make exceptions for my enemies? I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, but some men must die. But that does not mean I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were.Try to fit in a little bit about how and why Lieren dealt with Cui, Tao and Gao. The last ones treatment of his people and betrayal of his faithful subjects due to his greed will probably enrage Kang and possibly make him understand Lierens actions better. Then go with:>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!
Also re-reading the part that Dai Nui accepts his orders to battle Kang, he(Dai Nui) didn't have a problem with what was asked of him. He only felt remorse when he heard Kang yell that he came to help save his lands. So it wasn't as if Lieren forced the Dai to do that or anything.
By the way, does anyone think that Lieren should start a unit that specializes in treating battlefield wounds? Something that would probably help with the new types of weapons and wounds this war brings.
>>4665415You can say we did force him through obligation to honour his debts. Which wouldn't be untrue
>>4665440You mean we don't already have one?>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!>I consider every man I kill a mistake. Do you think I make exceptions for my enemies? I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, but some men must die. But that does not mean I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were.
>>4665456Except he says: "I have no complaints towards the command given and tactics ordered to be employed, Lord Lieren". Now if there was the case that his name would be eternaly associated with treason, how come he didn't say anything about that? Plus, Yin Lei was considered a legendary general of the Yan with many honors earned and yet no one mentions him siding with Lieren or executing nobles(like when he judged Gao's guests after Lieren killed Gao) as a betrayal.
>>4665467I don't recall ever being mentioned. If it was, i apologise, but it seems as if they treat people after the battle ends rather than having battle medics for example.
>>4665470I'm inclined to believe that he was just honouring his debt and keeping quiet, since to complain would be taken as trying to shirk paying his dues.Or maybe I'm wrong, but the situation in which he was revealed pur ally is quite different. Yin Lei was our public ally from the start and has been openly and unrepentantly clear in who he supports.Dai revealed his allegiance by slamming a dagger into his "allies" back.the two are not equal at all, even if they are both traitors.
>>4665491Maybe you're right but if so we should have better communication between Lieren and his commanders in order to prevend people being forced to do things they don't want(as that is contrary to the Journeys teachings) and maybe we can find better ways to do things. That way we can also make Lieren seem much more involved with the war effort. I don't remember any battle commmanded by Lieren, only participation in battles he had was infiltration missions and solo attacks(like that against Mao castle).
>>4665218I support this.
So who wants to bet Yan is doing demonic rituals?
>>4665491Also, Dai Niu's betrayal is worse probably only to Kang's eyes. The rest of the Yan will probably think Yin Lei a bigger traitor than Dai Niu due to how much Yin Lei was valued. In other words, Yin Lei is someone like Horus and Dai Niu is... Perturabo maybe?
>>4665553If they were, wouldn't they have sent daemonic assassins against Lieren or his generals already? Maybe that's an additional reason why they gathered all those people.
>>4665564>If they were, wouldn't they have sent daemonic assassins against Lieren or his generals alreadyThat depends on what rituals they have.
>>4665569True. If they are the Dark Princes cultists(as their decadence would imply) what would they have access to?
>>4665559The dude has a medieval chivalry vide to him.Probably wouldn't be as pissed if Dai had announced his change of allegiance.Not like it matters that much, the Yan are going to demonize everyone involved, and after the war we are going to be controlling the narrative, we can change the perception of the Dai in our brand new modernized school system.
>>4665587Khorne-vishnu tyrantSlanesh-the YanTzeentch- the master of the mountain Nurgle-that first demon beast we killed Malal- usGoddamn, this planet is super fucked, or atleast in the process of being super fucked
>>4665613We’ve killed 2 nurgle daemons, 1 slaanesh daemon, a wannabe tzeentch daemon, and denied a lord of change his victory.
>>4665620We ain't killed any demons yet. We killed beasts, but even if they are warp tainted creatures then they arent daemons.Daemons cant stay in the real world this long without bindings and nowhere in our weeks long construction did we find any bindings at all near the river lord.
>>4665610Should we also build a monument dedicated to comrades and virtuous foes that lost their lies in the war?>>4665613Not that much really. Doesn't most planets have a chance to host servants of the Ruinous Powers since the Immaterium pervades the whole galaxy?
>>4665620To me it seemed like this: Toad dragon-Nurgle, Mud mouth-Slaanesh, Burning lasher-Khorne and that sorcerer-Tzeentch. They were chaos spawn though(the last one just a sorcerer) not true demons.
>>4665624They were human once, so they probably were chaos spawns.
>>4665655The difference from warp tainted beasts?
>>4665627We really should dot the landscape with memorials like the one we made at the Toad Dragon.And this world isn't really just harboring chaos cultist, it seems the cultures of the peoples that live here a devoted for each chaos god. We know there is an agressive religious nation, so they are probably nurglite if the only tzeentechians were the mountain people.We really are some bizarre mirror to Lorgar aren't we?
>>4665665An warp tainted beaat is juat some animal touched by the warp, an chaos spawn was an follower of chaos, probably some kind of champion, that fucked up or the gods simply got tired, and mutated them until they became beasts.Chaos spawns are incredible dangerous, and each one is different from the other.
>>4665553I think that it's likely they have some ancient tome about it, but haven't used it for a myriad of reasons. However, once we get to their palace, they'll use it in a desperate last stand, a la the histories from the Chronicles of Ursh that Garviel Loken read about. It'll be fun to explain to our generals what they were after the battle.
>>4665675the *functional* difference is nothing, was my point. They are both incredibly lethal and one only has the most crude instincts and malice of a man.
>>4665669That is one way to look at it. However what if there are different groups in each kingdom? Cui Fu was more Khorne aligned than Slaanesh unlike most of Yan, that mountain cave sorcerer was a Vishnu Tzeentch worshiper and who except the QM can say what each of the different Vishnu kingdoms look like? Perhaps some worship Slaanesh or another god instead of Khorne even with a martial culture(that envoy didn't seem like much of a fighter).
>>4665687Well, if that an megafauna from one of the hardiest planets in the galaxy and give them many beneficial mutations, probably mixing through natural selection for generations, you could match the strength, but you if just compare some random beast that got an extra arm that spit poison, not really.A chaos spawn hide can stop anti-armor and has enough strength to rip apart metal with it's bare hands, plus whatever weird mutations that it has, like poison, fire or psyker powers, all of at the hands of someone that had enough talent to get a lot of attetion of the chaos gods, and while it is degenerated, it is still there.All I'm trying to say is that chaos spawn are no joke.
>>4665705Cui Fu was from an different people that the Yan. The ancestor of Gao beat his ancestor and they pledged themselves to him.It still means that this place has chaos corruption to it's core
>>4665726I don't think we was a different people, I just think that his was a warlord dynasty.Wouldn't be out of form for his ancestors to be vishnu, but Cui was still Yan.
Hope everyone here is ready for an economic collapse.
>>4665070Write in: "It is a destiny I could not ignore, to ensure the future is better than the past. I could not ensure all children are fed when a tyrant is draining foodstocks to distill liquor. This was not only a drug that addles the nobility but a lethargy for the domain that limits the potential prosperity to all. It appears you still do not realise how sincere I am uplifting everyone. Even the Mao. Even you."Will you come with me, and see my works when this war is won?">>4665401Support this segue. Tell him about the Mao who still live.
>>4665740I think it was just some native tribe that got integranted when the Yan was forming or expanding, not that he was Vishnu. Like a different tribe but still the same overarching ethinicity.But the only person that knows for sure would be Malal.
>>4665831My country already in one for some years now, so why not some more decades?
>>4665847Venezuela? That sucks, at least it wasn't apocalyptic like the one we seem to be getting soon.
>>4665856Just like "Muh global warming this time is real!"
>>4665856Brazil actually, we held out against the economic crash of 2008 for a couple of years, but then it showed up multiplied in force.>>4665863I used to not believe in global warming, but we no longer have seasons here and every year is hotter than the last.Hopefully it's just god hating monkeyland and the rest of the world is spared.
>>4665867Literal warm and cold periods of the earth throughout history. Look up the Mini-freeze or w.e. it was called in Europa during i think the medieval time? and shit like that.
>>4665863Actually it's hyperinflation, a famine, and global unrest.
>>4665856Well, it seems as if history's going back to normal. If anything, this period following WWII of relative peace and comfort is an aberration, rather than the norm. May we live in interesting times, etc.
>>4665901Kek, true. Desppite what most think, post WW2 society has been one of the most peaceful and prosperous periods of human history. I think that the trauma of WW1, WW2 and the cold war prevented most open conflicts and kinda hammered some good ideas about respect towards others, human rights, etc. But nothing good lasts forever, the ideological and cultural degradation of the last decades is reaching a critical point and the next World War will either be on the internet and economical, or gift everyone with a fallout/Mad Max permanent cosplay, but with nurgle dancing around
>>4666215The degradation didn't start in the last decade nor is the prosperity people are currently experiencing real. The proof of is silver and why would an almost extinct metal, that is vital to every modern electronic device, be worth no more than $30? You're living in a hypernormalized false reality.
>>4666215>I think that the trauma of WW1, WW2 and the cold war prevented most open conflicts and kinda hammered some good ideas about respect towards others, human rights, etc.>build that wall>MAGA
>>4665070>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!>I consider every man I kill a mistake. Do you think I make exceptions for my enemies? I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, but some men must die. But that does not mean I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were.
>>4666289Man, compare the life conditions of average people in the XVIII-XIX century and now, not only technologically, but on the whole "openly thinking about stuff X important guy doesn't like". Of course that there is always oppression and adversity, but in the fucking middle ages you could die from hunger, cold or a noble overworking you or killing you for the lols and no one except your family would care, and there was way less people and they knew their neighbours better
>>4666534You got me there, humans overcame their predators and decided to go full asshole on each other "cause greed, smokescreens and why not"
Hey there’s an 11th primarch quest now.
Calling the vote now!Because it is a kingdom of tyrants:13I consider every man I kill a mistake:12explain how and why you dealt with Cui, Tao and Gao:2Tell him of the mao who still live:1it is a destiny I could not ignore:1So Lieren will explain he finds every man he's killed to be a mistake and would prefer if his hands could have remained free of blood. And then rage against the nature of his enemies to explain how he has gotten so far and why he does what he doesWriting now>>4665255Imagine, Dandan commanding titanshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff68PsXbCK4>>4665838Just wanted to say, great write in>>4666884>>4666947>>4666956Awesome, glad he's running it. Been waiting for it to come around since he first started talking about it in the generalthe more the merrier
You know, Lieren might actually be the Primarch that understands the Emperor the best.
>>4667020>Dandan commanding titansThe second she sees them during our welcome to terra parade is the second we never see her again.>>4667085Do go on, Anon.
>>4667085with his ability to see 'truth' he'll probably understand everyone the best
>>4667099I dunno, he seems like he'd be good enough to lie even to us.
>>4667104certainly possible, he might even be that guy who refuses to give us a name.
>>4667099Seeing and understanding are two different things. Though there are comparissons to be made between us and dear old dad. Right now we're in a war to unite the planet for the good of mankind, while uplifting the populace with technological advancement after advancement. It's a more noblebright version of the Unification Wars. I think it'd be interesting if we're able to make if off Shangrala in the attempt to spread the Journey to the lost colonies of humanity. Being found in the midst of a Great Crusade of our very own would be something to behold.
>>4667089Well look at how much Lieren mirrors the Emperor. From his hatred (that drove him to write a book) to his rise to power and his conquest of the world they are quickly becoming foils for each other.
Agony, suffering, pain. it is true, your hands have caused equal measures of each, at least of an emotional variety. Only a blind man could not see the grief in the eyes of widows, the sorrow in the hearts of orphans. It is unavoidable, for even the irredeemable are beloved by those of their blood or kith. It is regrettable, no matter how merciful the method a life cut short will always ripple outwards, bringing such emotions in its wake. There is no life lost that is unmourned, even if you alone grieve for such small tragedies as a villain most foul being made to answer for a lifetime of accrued wickedness and malfeasances.After all, was it not written by your own hand no less, that all lives great and small, virtuous and sinful hold the same value as any other? It'd be sheer hypocrisy to not grieve for the men your victims may have become if they lived another live, or the men they were before their hearts hardened and turned bitterly cold. Turning your mind away from such sorrowful thoughts, you take a slow, ponderous breath of air, taking a moment to devise the exact words to use to explain this belief of yours, this perhaps overt kindness that still dwells within your heart.Despite all you have seen and done.Solemnly, you begin to speak from that same gentle heart, that has remained as unbroken as your stride through your arduous and blood path. "I consider every man I kill to be a mistake" The words flow from your lips gently, as the quietest breeze may, but hold a conviction that not even the most violent of storms could weaken "Do you think I make exception for my enemies?"Kang Yongrui's eyes burn like the center of an active forge, his unbroken will blazing within his crippled body. There is no vitrole to spew forth nor anything more to say, such a show of contempt would be rather crude and mannerless for a man of his station and character when he has already spoken all he believes must be said."I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, unsullied, but some men must die" You say, holding out your arms and turning your hands so their palms will face the roof and the sky beyond. The Vishnu say the scent of death lingers in your presence, and it is true, these strong hands have destroyed almost as much as they have created. Whether by noose, spear, guandao, or more primitive methods of killing.You can still remember the faces of every man and beast you've killed, their final moments preserved in the vastness of your mind, stored beside every other fleeting moment of your short life be they merry or joyless. Truly, one of the blessings of genius is the clarity of memory. Thus, while the faces of the dead remain as clear as unstained silk in your mind, you also remember exactly what they had done to force your hands.All were necessary, all were dealt with efficiently and cleanly. A lingering death is such a detestable thing."But that does not mean that I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were" You say.Cont
>>4667164With the words of your heart spoken, you nod and quietly clap your hands together. Reflecting upon the necessity of some deaths and the burden of taking a life, is strangely soothing. Some may call it macabre to be calmed by thoughts of the universal fate that awaits all life, but meditating on the lives you have ended personally somewhat bolsters your spirit.For it reminds you of why those men had to die. Their crimes, their punishment, and the good that came with their passing alongside the sorrows of those who mourned them. The Lands of Cui would flourish, The Tao were free to find their own paths, Gao's taint was burned from Shangrala. How many lives were preserved by the simple action of taking another? How many children would be born, because the fields were fertile and the roads safe from the greed of brigands and other criminals?It is true, many men have died by your hands or commands. But many more now lived because those men had died? It was the reasoning that had guided you forward and the truth that you knew. Killing was regrettable, but it was necessary. Sometimes, the most efficient path to follow, was drowned in blood. Sometimes it was not. "You would be happier as a hermit, or monk. If such men were not persecuted and hunted" Kang Yongrui says, suddenly sorrowful rather than enraged, as if your reflection had caused him to think deeper than he had before "Yet here you stand, a incarnation of battle and slaughter, ordering deaths and leading an army. How Gao Liwei ever thought you his friend, I shall never understand. But even if you are truly this forgiving, this gentle hearted, such a truth will do little to ease my agony. Nor will it erase the wickedness of your actions. If anything"Kang Yongrui snorts and shakes his head."Hearing such a thing, makes the wounds I suffered ache more gravely and worsens the shame and insults I have endured. To know my downfall, and the deaths of my noble warriors, were commanded by a man so naive as to grieve for men who would see all of his work and progress erased, out of sheer spite. And Yan, is being bested by you, an oversized monk who has somehow found himself as the leader of the most terrible rebellion of the era" Kang Yongrui bemoaned "Would it have not been better, to keep your hands and heart pure? You injure yourself as much as you do others, if your words are true. All of this could've been avoided, and many men would still be walking among us"How odd, have your sincere words truly had such a noticeable effect upon the Heir of Silver Lions? He is speaking truthfully, there is no deceit or hidden meaning within his words. Yet he has calmed so greatly, even if the disdain he holds for you has not. How queer. Yet, your own serenity cracks as he finishes speaking. His statement has somewhat irked you.cont
>>4667165How could he suggest merely standing aside, and watching as your fellow men are beaten, abused, tortured, starved, butchered, raped and brutalized in a myriad of ways each more dreadful than the last?It is not often you are annoyed or inspired to such fits of petty anger, but the mere suggestion of being a bystander to the atrocities of the Tyrants of Yan, brings the two feelings into your heart."Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants!" You shout, thoroughly incensed by the thought, lashing your arm outwards as you speak. Kang Yongrui flinches, as a burst of displaced air rushes past him "As you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their Ilk!"Pausing for a moment to center yourself, and purge the wild emotions flaring within your chest, then, you begin to speak once more, your voice dripping with venom and controlled passion. "I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet" the words leave your throat as a snarl "All so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule"You pound a fist against your chest"I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!" Your proclaim, loud enough for even the heavens to hear your words."So, the world will either burn or Lieren will" Kang Yongrui snickers, shaking his head "Naive and idealistic, why.."A look of concern flashes over his face and he presses a hand to his forehead"Why can't I be angry?" he asks, sounding utterly confused with his own emotion "its strange, I hate you above all others, even Dai Niu the traitor himself, yet, I think of how much I despise you with a clear mind rather than one clouded by fury. Its queer and unsettling, is this your doing?""Besides the possibility my words managing reaching your heart despite the barricades you erected around it, I do not believe it is" You say somewhat flippantly, tilting your head to one side, observing Yongrui carefully "despite how stories abound of my mastery of the sorcerous arts""Odd, perhaps realizing you were not a spiteful thug has weakened my heart" Yongrui mutters "but I am not so foolish as to forgive the man who has ruined me, as you would have done in my place no doubt, some actions are simply unforgiveable" "Perhaps, though it is unfortunate you cannot bury your grudges. I understand why you are unable to, I will not act as if I am free of such prejudice myself" You state simply, nodding your head "And on that at least, we agree. Some actions cannot be forgiven, we simply have different views on what they may be""Crippled on the orders of a naive fool, my cousin killed by his men. It is a harsher reality than the truth I knew before" Kang Yongrui muses bitterly "If you intend to hang me, do it with haste, or leave me. Your stench and discordant words are causing my scars to ache. Speaking with you further, would be akin to torture, ogre"cont
>>4667166You sigh. He is allowed to despise you, for all that has happened to him. Some men simply cannot be swayed by words and kindness alone. Kang Yongrui is like Cui Fu, in that regard. Though he is nowhere near as foul as the last lord of the Cui had become. He is a good man, a virtuous man turned bitter and cold by being rewarded for his valor and heroism by betrayal and shame.But, he has committed no crimes to deserve death and does not wish for its release. How cruel it is, for such a man to be trapped in a broken body, cursed by failures caused by no fault of his own."I shall grant this request" You say simply, turning your back to the crippled man. He remains silent until you reach the doorway."Damn you" he whispers, as you leave him to his solitude and grief.Now that you have eased the turmoil within yourself by meeting with Small Chen's killer, and speaking with him, you can return to plotting your next move.Namely, which of the northern Yin generals to capture to steal away their memories in a blind hope they will reveal to you the true plan of the Yan, and the reason for their abduction of women and children alike. You simply cannot stand not knowing what exactly, the yan intend to do to those unfortunate innocents. What they plot among themselves. And it'd be inefficient to lead an army, while such a distraction remains in your mind.What will be your decision Lieren? >Yin Aiguo, the more veteran of the two and the elder of the two. He would know doubt, be trusted with unwholesome secrets and truths. And according to Dong's report, he is trailing behind the other armies, patrolling the lands. Easier to find alone, but more dangerous to capture, as his army contains the elite of the northern Yin>Yin Huizhong, the younger of the two generals and Nephew of Aiguo. inexperienced, yet doggedly loyal as his uncle if not more so. He would be easier to capture, but he leads his army close behind Yan Zihao like a well trained hound. While his troops would be less of a threat, those fielded by the Old fox would not be.>Find a test subject for the Lotus Scepter. Perhaps Xue Hong?>Thinking of it logically. Your strength, skill, speed and durability are unparalleled, Kang Yongrui was right in that regard. Do you truly need an army to best Yan Zihao? A single strike is all it would take> write in>>4667110That'd be a humorous meeting, Great crusade meeting a miniature more peaceful version of itself.
>>4667110>>4667113I wonder who would be more shocked, Big L or Big E
>>4667169Aiguo.His troops may be more dangerious. But we are MUCH more dangerious
>>4667169>>Find a test subject for the Lotus Scepter. Perhaps Xue Hong?Also start inventing new medical treatments in the back of our mind, techniques to heal the wounds of the weapons we've created. I would like to de-cripple Kang Yongrui a bit, we will succeed with him where we failed with Cui Fu and Dai Niu.>>4667177I think it'd be one of the very few things to make Emps pause and think about his actions up until that point. Lorgar ever-so-slightly green with envy. We've created a philosophy that people seem rather enamored with and won't be dismissed out of hand since it isn't a religion.
>>4667169>>Yin Aiguo, the more veteran of the two and the elder of the two. He would know doubt, be trusted with unwholesome secrets and truths. And according to Dong's report, he is trailing behind the other armies, patrolling the lands. Easier to find alone, but more dangerous to capture, as his army contains the elite of the northern Yin>>Thinking of it logically. Your strength, skill, speed and durability are unparalleled, Kang Yongrui was right in that regard. Do you truly need an army to best Yan Zihao? A single strike is all it would takesecond option is more of a thought in the back of his mind (not something to actively pursue, just an acknowledgment). the whole goal is to raise up everyone so he has to bring them along and not do it on his own. he could, but he wont.
>>4667169Can we have his consent to opperate on him in the future to uncripple him? Give it a year or two after we overthrow the Yan, and we'll have him better and stronger than he was before. Hey ho, plastic and metal implants!
>>4667177Big L says don't get Empire Struck
>>4667169>Find a test subject for the Lotus Scepter. Perhaps Xue Hong?A willing subject, or an animal would be preferable before we go out and find an general.
>>4667184I too want to uncripple the man even if he still hates Lieren's guts. If anything, if the procedure is a success we could use it to teach future prospective medical experts. Crippled and maimed veterans of wars can return to their families more or less whole and happy, deformed children and adults won't have to be ostracized due to deformities (especially the incestious nobles), injuries that would normally put people in the streets will only keep them bed ridden for a couple of months before they're fresh and ready.
>>4667211It's a dream, though I'm unsure if the man will take the offer.
>>4667169>Find a test subject for the Lotus Scepter.Try it with an animal or isolated enemy scouts. There's no need to tip off the Yan leadership about this.>>4667211Remember that Kanzeon and the pod that Lieren came in have access to various technologies that we can use once we have build the proper industry.
>>4667169By the way, did Kanzeon not reveal anything about the Lotus Scepter?
Why not bring Kong to the ship? Also when digging up the ship we could use some of the stone to make a memorial for everyone that died.
>>4667242Nope, she was kind of distracted by the whole "Why is there an intelligent life form meandering through my body after eons of solitude?"
>>4667263we didn't ask questions
>>4667267You did, just of the history of Kanzeon herself and mankind (and if she could make herself a mobile body) rather than "hey, how does this thing exactly function"
>>4667169>Find a test subject for the Lotus Scepter. Perhaps Xue Hong?We don't know what it does exactly, and that can be problem.
>>4667274Well, lesson learned I guess, not that it was time wasted or anything.Thankfully Lieren understands the scientific method and the generals of Yan seem to be begging to be made test subjects.
Well we should find the time to visit Kanzeon and have a chat, probably when the war ends. Talk about what industry is needed to built her a new body and/or release her from the mountain and perhaps use what technologies she has to better the people we liberate.
>>4667274Did Kanzeon knew where her sisters went? I'm kind of hoping that there's at least a chance to find them later.
>>4667169>Yin Aiguo, the more veteran of the two and the elder of the two. He would know doubt, be trusted with unwholesome secrets and truths. And according to Dong's report, he is trailing behind the other armies, patrolling the lands. Easier to find alone, but more dangerous to capture, as his army contains the elite of the northern Yina two for one here, take him out of the action and his army crumbles
>>4667338>a two for one here, take him out of the action and his army crumblesBetter yet, one of his underlings takes charge and leads the army to ruin.
>>4667338Since he is a veteran, he might be a good enough general to have people ready to assume command in case anything happens to him and since his army is full of elites that chance is higher.
>>4667169Also putting forward the notion to move Kang Yongui into nicer quarters. Or to at least send him some better food.
>>4667367He should at least be getting proper medical treatment for his grievous injuries. Not to mention actual food.He's very clearly been beaten half to death and near starved. I understand why our soldiers did that, but it's no less shameful to treat a prisoner of war this way.
>>4667020Hey thanks, I hope it's decent and you like it. Dandan guiding titans seems, well, at least better than some of the Collegio Titanica to be frank. Though she seems more suited to a knight house. >>4667238Full support. Small scale testing first.
>>4667507Plastics, metal plantings screwed in, sewing tendons back together.We're gonna make cyborgs!
>>4667169>Find a test subject for the Lotus ScepterAn animal could be a good start. Perhaps a migratory bird, view from above and travel long distance are a good way to know more about Shangrila too.>Yin Aiguo, the more veteran of the two and the elder of the two. He would know doubt, be trusted with unwholesome secrets and truths. And according to Dong's report, he is trailing behind the other armies, patrolling the lands. Easier to find alone, but more dangerous to capture, as his army contains the elite of the northern Yin
>>4667169>Find a test subject for the Lotus Scepter. Perhaps Xue Hong?try an animal
>>4667169>Yin Aiguo, the more veteran of the two and the elder of the two. He would know doubt, be trusted with unwholesome secrets and truths. And according to Dong's report, he is trailing behind the other armies, patrolling the lands. Easier to find alone, but more dangerous to capture, as his army contains the elite of the northern Yin
Alright, calling the vote now. Hunt Yin Aiguo for his memories:5Find a test subject to learn EXACTLY how the lotus scepter functions: 7Thinking of it logically... (thought only):1Move to Kang Yongrui to nicer quarters:1Total votes 11So Lieren will first test the Lotus scepter on an animal to discover how it truly functions, and then travel to attempt to catch Yin Aiguo to use the Scepter upon himWriting now>>4667399It's a difficult to deal with bullet wounds, even with the advancements in medicine and care Lieren has brought. Its why Small Chen died.Kang Yongrui has had medical attention, it's just that his injuries, namely the bullets to his legs and chest, are crippling with the current equipment and medical knowledge available to Lieren's trained medics, though without these advancements, the wounds would've been deadly by way of infection and attempted amputations. >>4667507It's good so far
>>4667999I’m hoping 11th Primarch quest goes the route of piracy and brings in Pacific islander culture (mana, cannibalism, big man politics, etc.).
>>4668019Let's keep the focus on Friend Lieren here. >>4667999Whew. Experimentation on an animal first makes me feel a bit better.
However, to use an untested tool for such a vital task would be the height of folly! The Lotus Scepter, how you wish you had the sense of mind to question Kanzeon on its properties, purpose and true abilities. Its function remains unknown to you outside of the most basic of understanding. It can store memories in a physical form, the spheres that can transfer the preserved thoughts directly into another's mind. By a similar mental mechanism to Kanzeon's ability to gaze into living minds, perhaps. You cannot be certain.Just as you cannot be certain if the process is fatal to the victim stung by the Lotus Scepter's needle, and if the victim is not killed then would the memory be merely copied or would it be outright torn from their mind, removing it from their recollection entirely? And what determines which memory is taken and enshrined? Could there be a method to take a specific memory or fragment of knowledge, or will it without distinction pluck the last thought or experience from its victims mind?It is a tangled web of variables and unknown factors. To be able to wield the Lotus Scepter properly, this web of mystery must be solved and undone. Which will require testing and subjects to endanger to discover the exact function and method that allows the Scepter to perform the wondrous act of turning mere memories into a tangible state that does not degrade or fade away with the passing of time.No doubt, it would be easy to find willing volunteers for this exact purpose. Your followers and friends alike are ever confident and trusting. But the possibility of taking one of their lives simply to better understand a singular tool, a lone piece of arcane technology, is not a chance you;'re willing to gamble upon. The price that may be paid, is simply too great. It'd be thoughtless and cruel.Even experimenting on prisoners far more detestable and vile than the noble Kang Yongru, would be unthinkable. Even a man as low as Xue Hong, deserves better treatment than being carelessly threatened with a tortuous end merely to broaden your own understanding and knowledge of the tool that may drain away not only his memory but his life itself.Pondering how to overcome the moral obstacle standing in the way of your research, you pull the Lotus Scepter itself from the bag hanging upon your side, and run your thumb down its length. Silver and gold intermingled, lightening and darkening as the two contrasting metals dance and curl around each other, like drops of ink poured into clear water.The blossom upon its end remains motionless, and inactive, without a source from which to draw memories out of it sits inert as it always has.Catching a glimpse of your own reflection in its polished surface, you find the answer to the quandary halting your progress as your gaze meets itself.An animal. Though it will be as cruel as using the scepter upon your fellow man, it will be easier to justify endangering a mere beast.cont
>>4668257 For if the scepter does indeed require a life to fuel it, then the life of an animal would not be wasted upon it. A swine, ox or cliffjumper that is destined to be slaughtered. Easy to aquire than a wild beast such as a panther or ape, an neither so wasteful. A simple answer to a hard question.Smiling, you stow the ancient tool back within the satchel at your side, and leave Mao castle to find a sizeable source of test subjects to answers the questions lingering in your mind and at last banish the mysteries surrounding the Lotus Scepter.-"So, what is the meaning of this?" Half Jaw Hu complains as he leads an aged Ox to the lonely cliffside pond, where the bones of the wicked Mao still hang so close to its shore "if you wanted beef, you did not have to butcher the beast yourself. Though I know how you prefer to do all work with your own hands, brother Lieren""You're just whining because you chose the short straw and had to deal with that cantankerous old bull" Shaved Head Wei jokes as he leads a very gentle mannered cliff jumper alongside the aged cattle and his fellow brother of the panther."Be thankful, brothers" Jiang cackles, pinching his nose in a show of comical dramatics, as the swine he holds the reigns of snorts and grunts, struggling against its leash "That your wards do not smell as putridly of mine""A small mercy I suppose" Hu grumbles, as his charge nearly drags him to the ground as it struggles and fights him to reach the crystal clear waters of the pond "But, may I ask why we had to fetch these beasts? You don't mean to make a farm out of Mao castle, surely?""You shall understand my need for these creatures shortly, my friend" You say, struggling to not chuckle at your friend's expense or Jiang's antics "For they shall help deepen my understanding of a certain tool I've come across in my travels, that if I am able to ascertain its use and function will provide much assistance in the coming days of the war""A weapon?" Jiang asks curiously, as the swine he led begins to root through tufts of grass, searching for sustenance hidden beneath the damp soil"No, Lieren does not test his weapons upon living creatures, Jiang" Wei says, scratching his chin as the docile cliffjumper he fetched for you vies for his attention "It is true, he always brings a new sharpened blade against a bundle of straws or mats, rather than flesh and bone" Hu agrees, grunting as he digs his heels into the ground using all of his might to stop himself from being dragged away to the pond by the cantankerous old ox.You nod, pulling the Lotus Scepter carefully from the satchel that contains the various tools you require in your lonesome travels."I do not believe it to be a weapon, though it may be able to be employed as such" You say, stepping to the stubborn ox's side as it continues its battle of wills and strength with Hu.cont
>>4668261It is blind to your presence, until the very moment you wrap your fingers around its thick and powerful neck and squeeze with just enough force to still the beast while not injuring it."A demonstration, will help you understand my friends, this scepter in my hands is a most curious device. I myself, am blind to its true abilities. Thus, I must study its use" You say, lifting up the Lotus Scepter above your head, as you search for the area upon the Oxen's back that will cause the least amount of pain and stress when it's stabbed through by the scepter's needle."However" You say grimly, as your three friends watch both mystified and horrified by the strange rod you hold in your hands "to commence my research of the Lotus Scepter, as I have named this device, I require a living creature with which to carry out my experimentation. Now, I am not entirely certain what shall happen next, but Hu?""Yes Lieren?" Hu replies through the many missing teeth that gave him the epithet half jaw to begin with "If the Ox dies, you'll be given the choicest cuts of its meat in return for the labor you performed in bringing it to me" You say kindly, making the man smile warmly in return "Now stand back, all three of you, for safety""Understood" Wei says with a polite nod, Jiang and Hu following him as he steps away from you and the now thoroughly panicked ox"It isn't going to pop, like an overfilled waterskin, is it? or a fat fried rat?" Jiang questions meekly, dread and horror apparent in both his expressions and eyesYou simply shrug, and plunge the needle into a scar upon the old ox's back, knowing that the nerves beneath and around the tissue will be damaged and thus the needle shall inflict less pain upon the stubborn and foul tempered beast.The ox bellows and screams, before falling silent. It gazes silently ahead, its eyes filled with confusion and pain. A strange, foggy white substance begins to gather along the length of the Lotus Scepter, condensing into drops of milky white liquid that is absorbed by the metal itself.After a few moments, that are filled with the confused yells of your three loyal friends, you pull the needle from the Ox's hide.The beast falls to the ground, its legs giving out as it lets out a mournful bray. It glances its head around weakly, braying again and again in great distress. Its confused and frightened."A Magical tool!" Jiang cries out in astonishment, covering his mouth with one hand."A strange device" Hu corrects, as he had often guarded the entrance to the chamber of the mechanical egg that was your "mother""What is it doing, how is the metal moving by its own will?" Wei questions, sounding rarely disconcerted as the Lotus on top of the scepter begins to turn slowly.Jiang shrieks and falls over as the rubbery yet glass like substance begins to flow from the pin prick holes in the center of the gold and silver lotus.cont
>>4668262"Courts above" Wei mutters as Hu just stares in quiet bemusement, more focused on the reactions of his peers the scepter itself.Slowly, the Memory core coalesses and assumes its final form, a thin band of metal growing around its middle as it floats unassisted above the "lotus petal" that created it.In the span of a breath, it falls directly into your hand and begins to glow.A scene plays before your mind as the core glows dimly white. You are seeing through the eyes of the old ox, and feel a great sense of annoyance and irritation. There's an intruder in your field, not the old white haired man, but a strange trespasser with an odd hide. That is the simplistic thought that fills your mind.And sure enough, Hu comes into view, cautiously approaching "you" as thoughts of violence and feelings of animalistic anger flash through your mind.You laugh, as you see the trials Hu had to go through to capture this Ox, and you laugh even more raucously when you see the old farmer the Ox had "thought" of, laughing at your friends expense as well.It's an odd feeling, feeling the thoughts of a lower creature among your own and seeing the world through their eyes. But it is not disconcerting or painful.The Scene continues on for sometime after Hu's battle with the irate bull, and details the old Ox's desire to escape and rage that it was being taken from its home field and blind thoughtless panic that it would be eaten by predators."How strange" You say, as you see yourself standing before the gaze of the ox "How utterly strange""What happened?" Hu groans, sitting on the ground "What did I just see? did that ball do that? I feel defiled""I think I'm going to vomit!" Jiang cries "I was an ox!""No wonder the old bull hates Hu so much, such rough handling" Wei says with a weak chuckle The Ox brays again, clearly having lost its memory of coming to this pond and meeting Hu. Which proves that the scepter removes memory entirely. But that it does not kill the subject of its theft. However, it also proves that the knowledge it takes is decided by the thoughts of its victims the moment their skin is pierced through by the needle.Which will make gathering information from an unwilling subject, somewhat troublesome. But not impossible.What will you do next, Lieren?> Move onto human test subjects> Tell the Vishnu, both wild and civilized, that you require their aid and use them to Lure Yin Aiguo closer to the Border and further away from the other armies. None of your enemies after all, realize you employ Vishnu. >Make a game out of the memory cores, to try and make it up to your three friends for the unsettling experience of seeing the world through an Ox's eyes>Journey to the lands of the northern Yin, and begin to prepare a trap for the elder general.>write in?
>>4668264>Prepare a trap.Leave the vishnu to their own devices and our generals actions.But it's easy to get what we need. Ask them why they are taking the children and stab him.
>>4668264>Journey to the lands of the northern Yin, and begin to prepare a trap for the elder general.
>>4668264Pet the poor confused ox to calm it>Make a game out of the memory cores, to try and make it up to your three friends for the unsettling experience of seeing the world through an Ox's eyesSooooo who wants to know what it feels like to fight like a primarch? We could do a couple of demonstrations. It's all in good fun. We'll do some moves, stick ourself, and they can feel/see it.
>>4668264Courts above indeed. >Journey to the lands of the northern Yin, and begin to prepare a trap for the elder general.
>>4668264> Move onto human test subjectsSpecifically Xue Hong. While I am hesitant to do this, we are going to use it on a human anyway and it would be prudent to have some experience. We could make him lose any memories that he didn't like for example.
>>4668264>> Move onto human test subjectswe need to know how to effectively use this as an interrogation tool
>>4668264>Journey to the lands of the northern Yin, and begin to prepare a trap for the elder general.So either librarian was alredy dying because of his wounds, or he extracted so much knowldge at once that it was fatal.
>>4668356the impaling of his chest was a little. . . hint.
>>4668264> Move onto human test subjectsHow do we do this humanely?
>>4668337>>4668366Test it on Lieren
To the people voting to go the the northern Yin, could any of you explain the need to rush this? While I understand wanting to move forward with the story, since the whole point of this is to use a tool we have no experience with on an unwilling target with possible time constraints, isn't it better to do a little experimenting first? It doesn't seem it would take a lot of time so why should we skip it?
>>4668443Because as far as I am concerned, we've got what we need to find out about the item [it doen't kill] and now all we need do is kidnap the noble and we can use him to our hearts content.While more experimenting would likely help, it is ultimately superfluious.
>>4668430I hesitantly support this. With the caveat that we have someone that can handle the test that we trust. We would have to be really smart about it, but overall this is the best option if we want to further test it.
>>4668448Perhaps though remember there is always a chance for a plan not working the way we intended to, although i guess if we fail the kidnapping we could figure something else instead. If we test it on an unwilling prisoner first however, we would know better how to trick future targets into thinking what we want to extract from them.>>4668457We have Xue Hong for an unwilling human target(which would be what we want to later use it on).
>>4668443Human experimention seems too much for too litle.I'm not making Lieren into a self-righteous autistic dick, the emperor is already enough for the whole galaxy.
>>4668264>>Journey to the lands of the northern Yin, and begin to prepare a trap for the elder general.changing to this, I think we have enough info to work with actually
>>4668533So human experimentation is bad yet using it on unwilling people without knowing how exactly it works is not bad?
>>4668533Given that it's just getting pricked with a needle, it isn't cruel or self righttious if they willingly partake in it.if it caused terrible pain, maybe.
Is there a reason to not use to lotus on Lieren?
>>4668557Until we know how it works on humans it carries the danger of losing memories we don't want to lose I guess.
>>4668557Why take out our own memories
>>4668638it's removing part of our memories, it could be a sentimental one, or one that we should not be forgetting such as the name or face of an otherwise insignificant enemy we slew.
>>4668642that wouldn't be much of an issue as we have a better idea on how the device works, and we know the memories can be reexperienced once the Lotus is done processing them.
I'd rather keep hold of the Lotus until Big E comes, then hand it off to him for studying or destructionUnless you guys have better ideas
>>4668646We could go back to the ship and ask, or test it on ourself, or just stab another human multiple times until we get the info we want.
>>4668646Study it together with the rest of the archeotech under khazeon supervision.There could be a safer method, or have more uses for it.
>>4668646Not interested in destroying a precious one-of-a-kind artifact like this and the lotus staff is useful to our legion for information gathering without killing people and eating their brains.
>Write in>Pay for the oxen and give it a comfy home for it has done a service to the rebellion by teaching us this.Then whatever, i just wanna help the moo
>>4668918Help the cowDo it now.Supporting.
>>4669045PET THE COWDO IT NOW
>>4668918i'll support this write in as well
>>4669045P E T
>>4668264>Journey to the lands of the northern Yin, and begin to prepare a trap for the elder general.>>4668918Support. And pet it.
>>4668918Support.P E T T H E O X E N
>>4668918Support, for our bovine friend
Pet the cow and use one of our more mundane but still awesome memories to show those around us what it's like to be lieren, like that time we started jumping as high as we could just cuz we felt like it, or constructed the walls around nothing by ripping trees straight from the ground for lumber
Actually what are the memories made of and is there something else we can use them for?
I wonder what Malal is going to think of our new friend Mister Ox. Honestly getting Heilung vibes of "We are all brothers we are all sisters" going on here.
>>4669451He's still an animal, we'll consume him when the time is right, but he has done us a service and deserves a reward, he's not equal to humans, but that's not a reason to not reward the being when it does good