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You are Lieren of Nothing, Leader of the rebellion against the Tyrants of Yan, Great hunter of the wilds, Hero of the common folk, Wise philosopher, slayer of many wicked villains and terrible monsters, Bringer of benevolence and nurturer of prosperity and friend of the virtuous and downtrodden. And unknown to even yourself the second son of the emperor of mankind and a father of a legion of transhuman warriors called astartes.

Having secured the loyalty of the wild vishnu tribes, and taking on the surviving children of the tiger men as your students, you finished your hunt, deposing Mao Bolin and his family from their seat of power, while inventing a new form of martial arts and method of schooling to teach your feline faced students the ways of civilized and wise men. Returning to your forces at last, you learned of the victories won by your four generals and of the tragedy that occured at the battle against Kang Yongrui and his men.

For while all three of the battles waged were won by the Liberation army, one of your close friends and personal guards, was struck dead by a revolver that the Heir of the Kang had stolen before being brought before Dai Niu, who has suffered great dishonor and loss of face for perpetrating the treachery you ordered him to commit by luring the Kang into a trap by acting as though he was still allied with them.

Overcome with grief, you focused your emotional energy to forge a new form of rifle and type of armor that could better resist the impact of bullets. Having thus calmed yourself, you turned once more to matters concerning the war, and against conventional wisdom and suggested actions presented by your four kings of war, chose to move your army through the Bone Devouring forest, to cut a safe path straight to the former lands of Mao.

And in doing so, avoid attacking the remaining Yan forces from any direction the Old Fox of Yan, Yan Zihao, would expect your army to come from. This would allow you bypass the forces he had left upon the Borders of the defeated Xue and Kang lands, no doubt anticipating your preference to strike from multiple angles simultaneously.

Taking the abandoned Mao castle as a staging ground, you allowed the majority of your forces to rest after the hardships of passing through and conquering the Bone Devouring Forest. Meanwhile, you had sent scouting parties, lead by your friends and brothers in all but blood from nothing, Feng, Liang, and Dong, and your wild hearted Guard, Bai, who had become close with the brothers of panthers. Their orders were to find the armies of Yan and Yin and report their movements and position back to you, so you may better plan your armies next move.
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>>4651156

However, you were restless, and returned to mountain lair of the living corpse puppet master, and his foul yet unseen master, as a strong feeling of unease had come to your mind as you once again past by that foul place, as you accompanied your army through the Bone Devouring forest. And felt as if the Unseen master would strike from the shadows at any moment, and had not joined his mummified student in death as you had assumed it had before.

Traveling into the sealed mountain caverns once again, you took time to study the murals of the temple forgotten by time and research its art, while meditating on the nature of your invisible foes life and "death". This revealed to you many secrets, and possibilities of the nature of this world and that of the dead. Most importantly, it revealed to you a hidden history of Shangrala, and a story of men from the stars beset by strange storms and calamities and how they degenerated into a religion of evil men twisted into the most abominable shapes.

Realizing the significance of the earlier murals and the truth of how human life came to settle upon Shangrala, you bravely journeyed deeper beneath the planets surface, in the search of devils and spirits even fouler than the Unseen master himself, or perhaps the source of the mutative and corruptive crystals that dotted the mountain's stone.

Instead, you found a craft, ancient beyond reckoning, and filled with knowledge and machinery from the time men sailed through the stars and rule the heavens. After exploring the wreck of strange, almost living steel, and experience the wonders and mysteries of the long abandoned vessel, you discovered it was no only active, but alive and possessing a consciousness of its own.

She called herself Kanzeon, and while she was initially suspicious of your motivations for plundering the treasures within her bodies, soon began to grow close and even friendly with you, as you allowed her to look within your mind and read to her the entirety of your journey.

Realizing this ancient being had been alone for eons and craved contact and companionship, you promised to return and eased her temper and dangerous thoughts by remaining within her for awhile longer, being allowed to enter the "heart" and core of her being, to discuss philosophy at length and to learn from her, the history of humanity as she knew it. The knowledge revealed to you by this ancient soul, unervered and even horrified you by its implications.

But you were not deterred by the tragedies of the past, and left Kanzeon to lead your armies once again, planning on finding a way to free her from her prison at a later date.

Upon returning to Mao castle, you learned of something far fouler than the secrets of the past revealed to you. The leaders of your scouting forces, returned alive, but bearing grave news.
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>>4651158

The armies of Yan Zihao, and the two generals of the Northern Yin, Yin Aiguo and Yin Huizhong had been taking the women and children of the lands still under their control under the pretense of offering them protection from the armies of the "ogre", as well as forcefully conscripting every man within those lands, under threat of death.

Enraged by the wicked and atrocious deeds of your enemy, you were not allowed time to calm your emotions, before you were alerted to the presence of an Envoy from the shattered kingdoms of the Vishnu, who had come to Mao Castle bearing gifts, lead by Lai Song and escorted by a group of hardened Vishnu Warriors.

Without wasting any time, you ordered your generals to be gathered and the captive Kang Yongrui to be brought to you, while you went to meet with this Envoy.

The man, called Dhanajay, presented himself as a servant of the Vishnu King, Nitya Sinha, who had expanded his borders by conquering his rival lords. He offered gifts in the form of Vishnu Steel, Exotic food, heaps of gems and gold, and Slave warriors, while talking of making the new ruling dynasty and the "King of Kings" allies rather than enemies, as the Vishnu had been with the Yan dynasty for many generations, speaking of "similarities" between the beliefs of his people and your journey.

However you had a differing view, and would never see a slave taker as a prospective comrade rather than a Tyrant that needed to be dethroned. Thus, you chose to share the Story of the Long dead tax collector Ling with the conniving worm before you vand the fate that befell him, before freeing the slaves he had offered to you and telling him your demands to Nitya Sinha, the so called King of Kings.
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"My answer to you, Dhanajay, servant of Nitya Sinha, foulest of tyrants" You snarl, crossing your arms as you look down upon the silk wrapped worm at the bottom of the stairs, while you remain at their peak. His grey eyes flash with confusion, then rage, then impotent fear as you smile and show your teeth like an enraged panther may.

"Is to offer a story from my life, that may explain the difference between the master you serve and myself. It is a story of a man much like you, who was much like yourself, a small tyrant and abuser of the common folk. A thief of fortunes he had no right to take" You say genially, turning your snarl into a welcoming, almost friendly smile as Dhanajay looks back to his enslaved soldiers with confusion, no doubt wondering if you had misspoken or simply did not realize the meaning of the words you had used.

But he was much too cowardly and meek to interrupt you.

March down the stairs, the riflemen standing at attention upon them part before you.

"You see, Tax Collector Ling, was an ambitious and greedy man, who believed himself and the service he provided indispensable to the lord her served. The last lord of the Gao lineage" You spoke calmly and sweetly, as if speaking to a child.
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>>4651159

Dhananjay tugs at one of his many rings, looking back towards his collared warriors.

The six Vishnu chief look to you with Jackal grins, having heard this story before. They as a people, enjoyed hearing the endeserving being removed from positions and power they had not earned.

"Gao Liwei, a man of bottomless cruelty, greedier than even his worm of a servant. Ling never quite understood how disposable he was, he was a simple tax collector, any man who had studied mathematics even in the most basic form, would be able to take his place" You explain calmly as you reach the bottom of the stairs, standing directly before the Vishnu Envoy and his entourage of slaves "He saw himself as an important, and trusted confident, of the slug of Gao. So much so, that he, after many years of work, figured out what lord Gao would not notice missing, grain and riches of all kinds he could, divert into his own pockets"

Dhananjay listens closely, trying to see what lesson you're trying to show him, or the hidden meaning within your words, the reason you have suddenly ceased speaking to him of alliances and the bribes he had presented to you, to try and understand why you were talking of a random and unimportant tax collector.

"It was how he came into more wealth than his salary would allow, he, when given orders to drain the lands of wealth they did not have, to take a heavier tribute grain from starving villages at the height of a famine, would take even more taxes than he had been asked to collect" You say, pausing to suck on your teeth, turning your eyes to the rising sun before you began to speak again "After all, it was a privilege of his station and all it would take for Ling to get away with these wicked deeds, would be to not record these "losses" of extra tithes, and to treat them as gifts given directly to his own treasury"

"What is the point of this story?" Dhananjay wheezes, coughing his mouth as the wind whips dust and sand across his face "It's going nowhere"

"Oh but it is, for all men share the same fate, Dhananjay" You say, widening your smile into a grin, knowing how terrifying it must seem to the snake standing at your feet "For you see, no peasant could strike against Tax Collector Ling, and any who refused his outrageous requests, would be squashed beneath the Iron fist of Gao Liwei"

For emphasis you drive your hand into the stone path between you and the quivering envoy, your fingers sinking into the stone as if it were mud. Dramatically, you lift a large cobblestone into the air, and crumble it to dust and pebbles between your hands, showering the Envoy in both as he falls onto his back from sheer fright and panic.

Cheers fill the silence, as your men praise your show of strength. None cheer louder than the Vishnu, and none louder than their chiefs.

Laughing you dust your hands off, and continue your tale.
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>>4651161

"Many men, guilty of only trying to keep themselves and their families alive, were killed because of the greed of men like Ling, and Ling himself. Children starved, women starved, Men starved, Elders starved. The land became wrung dry of wealth, of food, of hope, and of happiness" You explain, throwing your gaze downward as you sorrowfully recount the story, before standing proudly once more "The land and its people were abused, and broken like an old Ox"

"Is this why you're revolting? is that why you're telling me this?" Dhananjay sputters as you nod "Well, I understand then, I know of your peoples plight and"

"You do not, allow me to continue, for you see, I was born into these harsh times, and saw the sorrows and grief they had brought to my father, my brothers, my kinfolk. And at an early age, I grew to despise men like this, who would take when they were already far wealthier than the men they extorted " You explain, slouching to look into the envoy's eyes, kneeling to lower yourself closer to his height "And I met Tax Collector Ling, I had spent a winter rebuilding the ruins his master had forced my kin to live in upon pain of death, taking a village of men starved of hope and grain, and bringing unheard of prosperity to its people, Making the land fertile once more and turning the sons of this once dying village into great warriors"

Dhananjay struggles to breath as you pause to take and breath and exhale it directly onto his face.

"Ling, saw the great things I had achieved, the Miracle of reversing such calamity and misfortune, of saving starving men and making them strong once more" You say, standing tall once again "He saw an opportunity, to make himself wealthier, from my labor, and the labor of my kin. He even thought to try and goad me with threats of Lord Gao's fury, to force me to accompany him to his court to present to that wicked man is I were a treasure he had found, to increase his status and further his reach"

You sigh as you remember those days and shake your head.

"Gao Liwei took me as his servant, an administrator, to utilize the wisdom and body I had been blessed with, while Ling, oh foolish Ling, began to fall from his master's favour" You say, as the envoy now realizes the lesson you are seeking to impart to him "For he had a much more able and much more irreplaceable servant by his side. One who could bring jade from nothing, who brought prosperity and wealth wherever he tred . Ling was no longer useful, but he was a fool, he saw me as a friend indebted to him for the station he had led me, and never saw the disdain I held for him, as he continued to obstruct my work by bleeding the very same people I sought to raise up from the poverty they had been born and forced to live within. Do you know what happened to Ling?"
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>>4651162

Dhananjay simply shakes his head.

"He, blinded by pride and greed, was only able to realize how little his master truly cared for him and his servitude, when another had taken his place as his favoured servant. Yet he did not cease acting as if Lord Gao would avenge his death with fury tenfold that of his killers" You laugh before images of Ling's mutilated form rush through your mind and sour your tongue, causing you to halt your laughter near instantly "He stole, he lied, and he cheated. But, I was far more clever than that rat, you see. I gave him all he asked and more, but recorded what I had sent to Gao Liwei's pocket, and what had arrived. When Ling's life lost what little worth it held to me, I penned his final fate and signed the command for his execution"

Dhananjay is now crying and drooling like a man struck dumb or returned to an infantile state.

You shake your head and throw your arms in a dramatic shrug.

"Alas, alas, I had underestimated the depths of Lord Gao's cruelty. For the torture he gave to a man who had once been his closest advisor and dearest servant, remains one of the most monstrous sights these golden eyes of mine have beheld" You say softly and gently "His greed, his ambitions, were all slowly snuffed out along with his life. Lord Gao, had all of his skinned removed, except for his head and hands, to reflect his greed and allow all to witness the horror Ling felt as he was brutalized"

The envoy babbles a word, it may have been a plea for you to stop, but he is unable to command his tongue.

"Then, the parts that make him a man were removed, His nails were pulled out along with his liar's tongue, which was nailed to his forehead' You say, grimacing as you recount the fate of your first enemy to all who have the stomach to listen "Ling bled blood and secrets in equal manner, before the torture truly began, he exposed the true nature of Gao's court, and so he was made to suffer, he screamed even after his tongue had been nailed to his head. He could scream no longer as his master branded and burned him, for the crime of stealing from him and for exposing what he and his followers truly were"

You snort and shake your head once again, forcing yourself to keep smiling so you do not snarl like a wild animal.

"Gao, kept him in such a pitiful state, skinless, cooked, mute and emasculated for half a season, Lord Gao was not known for his intellect, but he had a talent for torture and knew ways to continue it almost indefinitely. When he grew bored with this game, he used heated needles to put out Ling's eyes with his own hands" You continue as Dhananjay soils his silks with a stream of steaming vomit and bile "And then, tied his mutilated form to six different horses, and had him torn into six different pieces. What remained of Ling was nailed in front of the city gates, so all who traveled the road I had built could see his fate. Such pointless, meaningless cruelty"
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>>4651164

You turn your eyes back down to the quivering pile that was the envoy, coated in his own sick and fouler discharges.

"I consider Ling's fate to be one of the gravest mistakes I've made in my life, I have no love for Tyrants, even small ones like Ling" You say softly as you walk up to the Vishnu and grab the collars offered to you "But torture, is a crime that I consider to be surmounted by only a handful of others in terms of sheer vileness"

Gripping both of the collars, stacking one over the other, you begin to pull them in opposite directions. The metal groans as you clench your jaw and snarl. The metal bands begin to bend and malform, before they finally snap into two, with a cloud of sparks and fire. You drop the remains of both in surprise, the stench of burning metal and chemicals clinging to you. That was unexpected.

"One of these crimes which surpasses it in wickedness, is slavery" You say, banishing the black, billowing smoke with a wave of your hands "I shall take the gift of freedom, and give it to the men you have treated like cattle"

Dhananjay looks at you scornfully, before he remembers your forces far out number his, and that you had turned solid stone to dust before his very eyes.

"Very well" He mutters, his voice hollow and defeated "That is the gift the great king Nitya Sinha, shall give to you, as a token of your budding friendship"

He pulls a small slip of iron from his ruined robes, and presses down upon it after waving it ritualitically in the air, near one of his brooches. The ruby eyes of which suddenly begin to glow.

With a loud hiss, the collars on his entourage unlatch, and all of them collapse to the ground, sobbing and gulping down air, tearing and pulling at their necks to remove the now depowered collars. Many of them soil themselves, or begin to vomit a strange white foam.

"A good start, however, if the great Nitya Sinha, truly desires my friendship, when you return to him, tell him the Giant from Nothing demands he frees every slave within the borders of his kingdom, or else court death dealt by my hands" You say happily, walking past the envoy to help one of the worse affected of his former servants up

"Praise be! Praise be! Praise be!" the man wails, hugging you tightly, crying like a mourning mother as he clings to you. Kamakshi pulls him off of you, looking quite annoyed.

"Courts above, what did you do?" Lai Song asks, looking confused and somewhat horrified by the turn of events "What manner of sorcery was that?"

You purse your lips.

"Not sorcery, technology" You answer, speaking Yan once again. Aruna walks up to Dhananjay, with fury in his eyes beneath the skull painted over his face.

"Devilry" He snarls, hand falling to the sword he inherited from his father, Jayesh "You have taken the souls of our brother Vishnu, and turned them into dogs, I would have your head if your blood would not so sully my blade"
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>>4651169

What will you do with the envoy, Lieren?
>Allow the Vishnu, both wild and recently freed, to enact their justice upon the man
>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)
>Lift the worm from the ground and politely ask him of the other technology the Vishnu hold, before ensuring he is treated fairly and well
>Ignore Dhananjay, and simply return to the war room, the plan your next move against the Yan with your generals.
>write in?
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>>4651175
>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)
>Lift the worm from the ground and politely ask him of the other technology the Vishnu hold, before ensuring he is treated fairly and well

then we throw him to the ground and go to see our generals
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>>4651175
>>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)
>>Lift the worm from the ground and politely ask him of the other technology the Vishnu hold, before ensuring he is treated fairly and well
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>>4651175
>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)
>Lift the worm from the ground and politely ask him of the other technology the Vishnu hold, before ensuring he is treated fairly and well
Envoys should be treated well.
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>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)
>Lift the worm from the ground and politely ask him of the other technology the Vishnu hold, before ensuring he is treated fairly and well
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>>4651175
>>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)
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>>4651175
>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)
>Lift the worm from the ground and politely ask him of the other technology the Vishnu hold, before ensuring he is treated fairly and well
We got bloody high riders to hang after Yan.
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>>4651175
>>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)

>Write in: Raising a single hand and bringing your commanding voice to bear once more,
"This man's life holds value to me in the form of a single task."

With a final glare cast towards the walking worm and an outstretched palm containing a Vishnu translation of The Journey,
"Deliver this to your master posthaste. I truly wish for him to see the error of his ways but I know for certain he will see how... incompatible I am with those who treat men as livestock."

Forgive my words. Dialogue is far from my usual forte.
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>>4651175
>>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)
>>write in?
We should also send along with him one of our mid-tier generals, (sorry I cant remember all these names) with a group of soldiers. This way we can keep an eye and we 'make sure they fulfill their end of the friendship.'
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>>4651189
Support
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>>4651175
>>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)
>>Lift the worm from the ground and politely ask him of the other technology the Vishnu hold, before ensuring he is treated fairly and well
I wonder if they have any unique bits of archeotech like the butcher's nails. Hopefully nothing that barbaric, but it'd be interesting to see how isolated instances of advanced technology melds with their presumably feudal society.
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>>4651175
Explain to the envoy that our Vishnu friends had a bad history with sorcery. It would be within his best interest to explain how it functions, less something unfortunate happen.
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>>4651287
This could be worth digging into. There might be a chance that the Vishnu got this tech/sorcery near the fallen sight of a crashed settlers space ship. It would be in our and our space friend's interest to find out. It would be a crying shame to find that the ship has been scavenged though.
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>>4651188
Support.

Lets keep the slave collars and the deactivation device, for study and maybe we can figure out a way to create a "One key opens all" type varient.
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>>4651349
Because waving a magic wand and making all the slaves no longer slaves, especially in a war setting with this dehabilitating effect of them coming off, we would have a real power to it.
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ye
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>>4651175
>>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)
>Lift the worm from the ground and politely ask him of the other technology the Vishnu hold, before ensuring he is treated fairly and well

Envoy vomits, shits and pisses himself. Good lord Malal.
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>>4651385
Gonna cry?piss your pants maybe?maybe...SHIT AND LIBERATE!?
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>>4651175
>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)
>Lift the worm from the ground and politely ask him of the other technology the Vishnu hold, before ensuring he is treated fairly and well

"My friends and trusted generals, your fury is righteous but allow me to give an use to this worm. He may know more about this things."
Indicate the collars
"I don t wish to be unprepared in disabiling such devices in the future, my commanders. I hope you can understand my decision."
Call an officer of our soldiers
"Have this ex-slaves clean, feed and given rest and clothing. If they need medicines or treatments do that as well."
Then look at the diplomat directly in the eyes.
"Diplomat Dhananjay, i suggest you to tell me about the devices. My mood and the one of my court has already being shaken today, so i hope you tell me what i want without any embellishments or half truths. And upon your return to your "king", reflect on your treachery and the ones of your kingdom towards your own kin".
"Make no mistake though, my diplomatic manners will run thin faster than the ones of my men, if you don t tell me what i want to know."
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>>4651444
No need to warn him about the thinness of our patience. We did that with lings story, and what's more in the off chance this warlord listens to our demand and repents, we shall need to deal with these unsavory individuals further.

But I doubt the warlord has virtue enough to become an ally.
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>>4651349
>>4651381
Our AI friend could probably just hack into the collars and force them to open.
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>>4651463
If they could interact, maybe.
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>>4651175
>Stop Aruna and his fellow chiefs from butchering the man, and allow him to return to His master, bearing a gift of his own (a translated copy of the journey)
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>>4651463
Assuming a lot there
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>>4651497
If she can study them and we either make, help make, or come across something that could boost the signal, I think there's a fair chance we can do it. Not without work though.
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>>4651497
The metal melted right? So it's probably made from the same thing as those doors in the ship.
It's not that big of a logic leap to think that Kanzeon would now how to jailbreak them.
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>>4651499
Again assuming a lot here without studying them yet. You could be right, or you could be wrong.

>>4651514
I dont see any mentions of the collars melting, only sparking and some metal cloud bits. Reread and quote me if I'm wrong.
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>>4651550
>Again assuming a lot here without studying them yet.
They're remote controlled. We know a DaoT AI. Remote controls were well within the wheelhouse of DaoT craftsmen. That Kanzeon could invent something to fuck with them is not an unreasonable inference.
>You could be right, or you could be wrong.
Those possibilities has existed for every person with enough mental fortitude to form an assumption about something.
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Reposting

What is the geography of Shangrala like?
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>>4651561
Fuck knows.
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>>4651550
I read "the stench of burning metal and chemical" and thought thay melted when we ripped it off, but rereading it I think that's not necessarily true.
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>>4651570
Nah, they probably had their wirings damaged when we tore it in half, which would cause them to catch fire.

The use chemicals to control, pacify, kill or influence the person who wears it, as we can see by the guys who started coughing up foam when it was taken off them.
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>>4651561
Fairly varied? We've seen mountains, swamps, forests, and rivers. I don't think we've heard anything about where the Vishnu, Shunni, and Bask live, but I'd assume jungles, deserts, and mediterranean. That's just based off of the real life hindu, sunni, and basque homelands, Malal could have pulled a fast one on us there and given them completely different climates.
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And a bit late, so I've no expectation of this getting supported, but it may be an idea to give the envoy a more succinct breakdown of what our philosophy and goal is, namely what we told Gao.

"I will bring Prosperity to every, man, woman and child in Yan and upon Shangrila and I shall slay every tyrant who tries to stand against us.
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>>4651561
>> Shangrala, Classification: Feudal world. This planet is primarily made of vast fields and plains, with mountains and lost technology serving to create a near ever present fog in the lower parts the valleys and hills. It is ruled by warring kingdoms lead by depraved & hedonistic kings given patronage and a divine right to rule by the eight celestial courts.
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>>4651556
If the Vishnu has DaoT like this, dont you think they would had dominated the Yan a long time ago?
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>>4651769
if all they have are slave collars and other similar shit that isn't directly applicable to combat. No.
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>>4651769
Never said they did. I said that DaoT technology can probably interfere with whatever principle the collars function on.
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>>4651733
I meant more in how many continents are there? Several like Terra or a Pangaea type supercontinent deal? And oceans as well, which would greatly influence how our conquest may be influenced.
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If you guys excuse the sperg I'm about to write for a second, I've been thinking of our Legion's Tactics and specialties in war and how we'll aid the Great Crusade. From the way that Lieren organizes his army now and goes about leading it, it strikes me that our forces will most likely be generalists in a similar vein to the Dark Angels, Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus and Ultramarines.

If we look at our structure now, we seem to rely on splintering our forces to engage the enemy on multiple fronts, using those forces unique talents and bringing out the best of them. With his gaze Lieren seems to be able to almost instantly ascertain the measure of a person, and in doing so seems to see how they need to improve and what they're already good at.

Taking all of this into more consideration, I suspect that he'd split roles into his companies and have them specialize in certain tasks, for example a theoretical First Brotherhood; could focus on stealth, recon and melee combat, much like our existing brotherhood of the panther.

The theoretical second brother hood could be focused on heavy artillery and siege craft, much like our current artillery forces. The third could be swift outriders like the lord of cavalry's forces etc etc etc

What I'm getting at is we're very likely to be similar to the dark angels specializations of their circles, but on a broader level if that makes any sense. Lieren also appreciates free thinking and people capitalizing on their instincts, which would make a force that's very good at acting independently when needed.

Sorry for the long post, I just needed to get my thoughts out.
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>>4652837
Constructive sperging is good, no harm there. I like the idea of our legion being like more fluid Dark Angels and I think that works thematically. They were the first, we are the second. Improvements are to be expected. The only gripes I have is with the first company not being veterans, but that's nothing to worry about, numbers can be shifted around.

Speaking of tactics, I was struck by one the other day. In order to take a fortress on an island, during the crusade, we could send damaged, stripped-down gunships and allow them to be shot down on their approach by the fortress's defenses. From there, the marines could climb out of the wreckage, melta bomb their way in through inevitable weak points, like sewer grates or maintenance hatches, and take it from the inside out. Now, that's an incredibly specific scenario and probably won't ever come to pass, but I was struck by the image of marines in mark II diving suits walking across the seafloor.
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>>4652837
I don't think that's a terrible idea, breaking up the 2nd Legion into "Brotherhoods" and all that.
besides the 3 you suggested, I have a few ideas of my own.
>a Brotherhood composed of combat engineers and experts on fortification and equipment maintenance.
>a Brotherhood composed of generally trained, but not quite specialized battle brothers, usually staffed by younger Astartes and able to supplement any Brotherhood that is found wanting for support in battle
I also suggest we send some members of each Brotherhood to the other Legions who share their specialties as a method of joint training.
This will also allow us to get a some idea as to how other Legions are doing internally during the Crusade.
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>>4652948
The use of gutted gunships as a means of concealing troop deployment sounds like something we'd do desu.
We should find a name for that tactic at some point and mention it to Guilliman. He might just add it to the first edition of the Codex Asartes.
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>>4652837
>>4652948
>>4652958
I like these
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>>4652991
I'll try and make a rough diagram based on our ramblings so we can get a better idea of potential rank and company structures in our Legion.
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>>4652958
>>a Brotherhood composed of generally trained, but not quite specialized battle brothers, usually staffed by younger Astartes and able to supplement any Brotherhood that is found wanting for support in battle
I think this is a good idea. Right after they finish conversion, a serving a mandatory amount of years or missions as a part of the nth brotherhood would also serve as a way to sort new recruits into whichever new brotherhoods they'd be best in.
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Should there be marines that serve as some sort of general in an imperial army?
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>>4653007
I don't think it's quite necessary or advisable to put Astartes in long term command positions within the Astra Militarum.
The Astra Militarum never really runs out of qualified leaders to begin with, and any Astartes with leadership potential would be better served commanding other Asartes.
The only time I think it's directly necessary for an Astartes to be given command of any group of Guardsmen is when there's a joint operation going on between the two branches.
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>>4652958
One would argue that sending brothers to other legions for join training could be the progenitor of the Deathwatch which is an excellent arm of the Astartes even if it is at the beck and call of the Ordo Xenos
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>>4653020
It's a bit of a risk, but I believe that human Commanders with astartes advisors might be a good idea.

Also we really should get our marines to care about and love regular humans as much as possible, we don't want them thinking they're better than everyone else just cuz they have our geneseed.

Hell, lieren is a primarch and although he knows he's different, he'll probably never believe himself above humans
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>>4653240
Astartes advisors are for joint operations, it's the same reason we don't want to follow the earlier idea from last thread about turning a portion of our astartes into bureaucrats that stay behind on a world we have rebuilt to rule it in our stead.
There is a time and a duration where these ideas are viable, and that duration is not permanent.

That being said, you're never going to stop all of that hate and negativity but if we do a Lorgar then we should be able to get a 90 to 99% coverage and convert them to the Journey.
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>>4653258
>doing a Lorgar
Anon, Lorgar and the Word Bearers were the least productive and slowest legion of the Crusade. The only thing that would save the worlds we uplift from getting Monarchia'd is the fact the Journey doesn't yet feature a god or godlike figure. And I think that last bit might have to change once we meet dad.
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>>4653283
The WB's got their chastisement for being SLOW due to their insistence on making each world they dominate into a perfect model world, where no rebellion or dissent was going to rise again. The emperor worshipping shit would have been tolerated if he wasn't fucking lagging behind everyone else.

But that's not what I'm on about. After taking control of the legion, within a decade Lorgar had all of them worshiping the emperor. In 10 years or less, this demi-god managed to convert thousands of astartes that he wasn't even near to his belief system through the use of informal lodges and altered training.
This is the sort of thing I'm talking about, but for the journey.
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>>4653290
Well, the emperor shit would have been tolerated LONGER, not indefinitely.
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>>4653290
We have to worry about the journey going too far and all our astartes turning into puritan monks who despise humans for not being ascetic enough.

And also the fact that our journey has a VERY HIGH risk of falling into nurglite shit. You know, with all the stuff about life and cycles and stuff. We have to take a lot of care.
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>>4653295
Zealots. Not puritans, since that course of action goes against the tenants.

Anyway, maybe we should enshrine the unseen master into our texts as a devilish figure. Literally just retell the fall of the Sorcerer and "voices in the dark" without the specific setting or mentioning ourselves at all and nobody will question if it's actually real because why would it be? it's just another parable.
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>>4653290
Regarding a Lorgaresque approach to spreading the Journey among our ranks, we can certainly encourage its study, but don't we have a tenant down about not forcing it on others, allowing for people to discover their journey all on their own? If not, Lorgar tactics it is, but I think I remember something like that.
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>>4653317
I don't even think we need to follow the Lorgar approach at all for our marines given how The Journey is text written by their fucking Primarch.
I'll be shocked if there's not at least a few thousands marines with passages from The Journey tattooed on them somewhere.
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>>4653317
It's one of our main tenants actually, and the origin of the stigma and negative connotations of the word "Tyrant" which we use against the Yan.

The passage goes something like "These words are a guide, a suggestion for the path that I walk, and must be chosen willingly for only a tyrant forces you along a path, and when you meet a tyrant on the road you must slay him."
But there isn't anything against encouraging the study of the book, which is what this would be. Facilitating the easier reading and interpretation of the text as intended. Attendence isn't mandatory but if we explain it's our worldview then most astartes will read it to understand why we do as we do.
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>>4653326
>but if we explain it's our worldview then most astartes will read it to understand why we do as we do.
We should also just have a copy of it on hand at all times. Like visibly on our person.
Yeah we don't actually need it since Lieren wrote the damn thing and has a Primarch's memory, but it's good for the sake symbolism and getting our astartes interested in the text.
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>>4653323
I think you're overestimating marine-primarch loyalty. Fulgrim, in all of his nearly psychic-levels of charisma, had to send nearly a full quarter of his Legion down to Istvaan III which then killed nearly another quarter of their own legion in defiance of their Primarch. Ditto for Mortarion and Horus, both of whom were beloved by their legion. Doubly so for Angron, who had a rebellion of marines even before the Heresy.

>>4653326
Ah, gotcha. Encouraging it's study and discussion is a good idea. I'd also like for us to pick up a hobby after the war, both for our own sake and for the sake of establishing unmartial traditions in our future legion. Shuihan penjing is sort of like chinese bonsai, except a whole landscape instead of just a tree, sometimes with little figurines. One might even call them miniatures...
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>>4653329
Maybe, not sure on the astheticis of that though. Maybe have it bound on a chain like the prayer beads the buddah had? I dunno. I leave that to the more aesthetic individuals.

>>4653336
I think that He's talking about the first spur of excitement that they have upon meeting their gene father. That sort of interest and enthusiasm would go pretty far.

Anyway, I think we already talked about trying to seed poetry and smithing into our legion, but I won't deny that having a room on our command ship which is tended solely by Lieren would make for A] a beautiful place to relax and meditate and B] would serve as a very special show of respect to receive individuals like our brothers.
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>>4653344
Indeed, warriors in gardens and all that. Definitely something to encourage among our sons. I also like the idea of a large atrium for legionnaires to meet and discuss, with a big scholar's rock in the middle. I also find the image of Kurze or Mortarion or Angron standing around uncomfortably as we prune our trees very amusing
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>>4653295
The journey has high chance to turn into any of the chaos gods, we made it so it exemplify the good parts of each of them, like Khorne's honor, Slannesh's self-improvement and Tzeentech's hope. Nurgle acceptance is just one more part of the soup. We really need to look out for Erebus, our legion can either be chaos greatest tool or it's worst enemy.
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>>4653380
Bit egotistical there anon but the message is right about it.

>>4653355
Mmm, a public area rather than a private one is more fitting for Lierens sensibilities.
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>>4652958
How about we call these 'Brotherhoods' Chapters?
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>>4653355
>Angron visits the 2nd Legion's capital ship to discuss the terms of their Astartes Exchange program
>Lieren invites him to his personal quarters
>after wading through a sea of warrior monks and unusually upbeat serfs, Angron enters Lieren's zen garden
>"What in the Emperor's name is this?"
>"...a garden? Did they not have these on Nuceria?"
>"You know damn well they did. I'm asking why you had one installed on your vessel."
>"I find the aesthetics of gardens and the practice of keeping them a wonderful form of meditation."
>"I see..."
>"..."
>"Are you just gonna keep pruning branches and humming along like an old man?"
>"You know, this would go a lot faster if you picked up some shears and helped."
And thus Angron learns the joys of bonzai.
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>>4652745
Unlikely to be a Pangea like super continent. With nithing to break the air wind speeds pickup to ridiulous amiunts iver the ocean. Coastal areas get brutalized. But, the moisture from the ocean doesn't make it all the way accross and so the centre of continent becomes an arid desert like place. Given the reletively moderate temperture we've experienced its be multicontinent planet like our own.
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>>4653390
I mean they'd pretty much function almost exactly like chapters now that I'm researching this shit.
That said, it's not like every Legion didn't have their own dumb names for the same shit. Why not ours?
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>>4653389
>Mmm, a public area rather than a private one is more fitting for Lierens sensibilities.
No reason we can't have both. Lieren has also taken time alone to himself, but I do think it's something he would want.
>>4653396
Kek
Maybe we could get Angron into rock gardening, little bit more durable a medium than plants.
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>>4653413
>Maybe we could get Angron into rock gardening
I think sand gardening would be a better idea if durability is a concern. Kinda hard to destroy sand ya know.
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>>4653390
Doesn't sound chinese enough
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>>4653421
Heavenly Imperial Regiment then.
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>>4653419
If anyone can, it's Angron. I don't suppose there's a way to garden gases? We should ask a magos.
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>>4653426
Brotherhood in chinese is xiōngdì huì, but that strikes me as a bit of a mouthful. We could just call them companies like nearly everyone else. The Dark Angels' Deathwing, Ravenwing, etc. are companies, they just have more commonly used cognomen.
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>>4653436
>gas gardening
>quite possibly the hardest naturally occuring physical medium to observe and maintain
Perfect for a Primarch. I bet the Emperor has several in the Imperial Palace.
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>>4653436
How about packs, as in panther packs, I know they're solitary creatures but our brothers are sort of pack like
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>>4653449
It'll keep Angron busy for hours and he can't break it. Perfect.
>>4653451
Remids me of the Wolves' naming conventions and we all know it's a slippery slope. The day we fight alongside Panther Lord Xia Tao, called the Ghost Panther, of the 14th Panther Pack "the Nightpanthers," wielder of the archeotech powersword Pantherclaw is the day I vote to get Leman to put us out of our misery and use our story as a cautionary tale for his own sons.
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>>4653474
I think Angeron would just out and out dismiss the idea of farming.
The only way he would give two shits about what we say is if we examined how we were effectively slaves to Gao until we became an admin. But even then he would probably go on an angst about how he was truly suffering while we got the cushy life.
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>>4653481
I don't think we'll be able to connect with him by telling him of our current accomplishments. If/When we go to war with the Vishnu, freeing all their slaves will earn us some points with him. Best way to get buddy-buddy with him was mentioned a few threads ago. We convince dad to teleport down as much of the XII's force as possible so he can hand it to the High Riders with impunity. Bonus points for style if this all happens during his final stand where he got teleported up by Emps in canon.
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>>4653495
He'd hate us even then for stealing his earned death.
Some people just can't be reasoned with.
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>>4653525
He made his "peace" with dying because he knew he couldn't win with his dwindling army of gladiators. As the twelfth is of his blood and would obey any order given to them from their newly-discovered primarch with little, if any question, I think he'd be perfectly fine using them to conquer Nuceria and free the slaves. Better to slaughter your oppressors with your brothers-in-arms and the help of your new army than merely dying alongside your friends.
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>>4653534
He doesn't and didn't consider the 12th as his blood or his friends or his family is the problem. Only those slaves who he's been leading to battle after battle earn that distinction.

I'm up for trying to help him however we can, but I am under no illusions that he will be grateful or easy to deal with.
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>>4653541
He doesn't/didn't consider the 12th his blood after he got to know them, after he was teleported up by the Emperor against his wishes and was forced to leave his friends to die. Now imagine, instead of that, Angron and the Eaters of Cities cornered in the mountains of Nuceria. He sees the five armies pursuing him, outnumbering him 50 to one, crest a ridge, and just as they begin their charge company after company get drop pod-ed down to hold the line while whoever is first captain reports to Angron for orders. In canon Angron refused the Emperor's offer because it was only to join him, not to help his situation and hated his legion because they were strangers. Now the Emperor (at our behest) has helped him and his sons have done his will to topple tyrants and slavers who have wronged him time and time again. And lets say that even after all of those changes, he still doesn't like his legion. He'd still be significantly more calm after that instead of just being kidnapped. Its the best choice out of a bunch of bad ones, in short, if you're right.
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>>4653552
I'm don2 to, in this fanfic situation where we are there, to drop down and interfere even at the direct contradiction of big E's orders, though I doubt we will be there.

You are however incorrect on being calmer. Maybe he wont sulk and team kill, but that's the best we can reasonably hope for.
If we are present, and we can pull this off with "I shall never let tyrants rule daddy-oh", AND massively prevent deaths by fighting with, not for Angron and his slaves, then I would be immensely suprised and gleeful.
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>>4653389
It's not really egostistical,the journey is a direct attack to the only thing that can actually threaten chaos gods: their gestalt identity. The only other way would be to starve then of emotion, either by fucking off to the webway like the emperor wanted to do, killing every sentient being in the galaxy and starting over, or redirecting their psychic tendies to another deity like the imperial truth, Khaine and Gork and Mork.
Also it's funny thinking that chaos gods, who conquer through subversion, ended up subverted themselves.
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>>4653565
>AND massively prevent deaths by fighting with
That's the only part I see as unlikely, assuming we're there.
As for the likelihood of us being there, it's not uncommon for some primarchs to go with the Emperor when he finds lost brothers. Magnus was there when He found Lorgar, and Dorn, Lorgar, Fulgrim, and Ferrus went with Him to get Curze from Nostromo.
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>>4653575
Chaos' WORST ENEMY would have been Russ' wolves and Magnus' sorcerers, not the 2nd legion of Lierens.

Philosophically you may have a point, though no deity to funnel their faith into makes it weaker than the imperial truth, but big E approved.
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So far in terms of character development Lieren is basically Primarch Mr. Miyagi with more flowery speech. He would be almost instantly disliked by his brothers with daddy issues because of having a decent by Primarch standards childhood. I can see him initially having some friction with people like Russ but I think that would be settled quickly after a friendly fist fight even if Russ would give him flak for not drinking super booze afterwards.

As for the legion, if Lieren disappears there will likely be disagreements about Lieren's tenets. Some things that may stay in place is the encouragement of teaching and brotherhood. For the most part frontal engagements will err towards lessening casualties but while infiltrating or in desperate times they will go for the neck. They will attribute this to messed up rhetoric relating to the carp and panther styles.
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>>4653660
>He would be almost instantly disliked by his brothers with daddy issues because of having a decent by Primarch standards childhood
I'm sorry they didn't have the balls to subvert and murder the nearest tyrant and begin building a proper armed rebellion that kicked the shit out of every other major military power on the planet.
And they totally could have too I bet.
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>>4653626
I dont see your point. Magnus's legion got duped into chaos, and their "familiars" were actually demons. Russo's rune priests were psyker dudes that worshiped a NOT! eldar in origin world spirit circuit thing.
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>>4653675
Morty tried that. Failed.
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>>4653690
>Morty tried that. Failed.
Well he's asthmatic, so he gets a pass.
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>>4653687
My point is the militarily, We are no more a threat to Chaos and it's forces than anybody else of the legions. Magnus if he had stayed loyal, he would be utterly instrumental against chaos given his extensive knowledge of the warp and it's creatures.
Russ and Ilk are executioners and killers with a proven track record of murdering legions before and are exceedingly good at it by accounts since they did it twice without being decimated.

You need more than Philosophy to win the heresy. It's force of arms that wins the day here with aspects of the arcane.
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>>4653702
And yet a large number of our forces was rendered traitors by means of philosophy, nor would any Astartes be worth much in battle without living by their own strict philosophies.
It's fascinating.
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>>4653767
"our" as in the traitorous legions in canon, not any of Lieren's troops
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>>4653767
Men follow who they follow. Before the war, thought is a weapon and preparations must be made. During however the Journey ceases to be a tool of securing the loyalty of our men and at best takes a passive and minor action as a poor shield against the arcane while the forces won through it's teachings are what will defeat chaos in their grand offensive.

Chaos with three legions would be bad, but their doom is certain.
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More Observations, I honestly don't know if Lieren would support the Librarians during the censor of magnus and the Council of Nikea.

Our only experience with magic has had it be super aids evil, so I don't think he'd like it very much.
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>>4653813
Maybe not, but that's due to ignorance.
Once he understands that Psykers are born with their gifts and have no control over the fact, He'd be much more inclined to establish and instatution to understand and control their abilites.

That being said, I don't think we would have a good experience with sorcery and ritualism, which is distinct from psychic abilities in that anyone can do it and I highly suspect is what the sorcerer under the mountain was using.
Condemning a group of people for circumstances of their birth and demanding they never use such a helpful resource again is rather not like him, so I think.
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>>4653826
this. have my (you) anon.
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>>4653687
Fighting the chaos forces just wastes time, the daemons are just going to reform and more cultist are going to be duped.
Now if you start fucking directly with the source on the other hand, you can bring an end to this whole problem for good.
Now I'm still going to push for us to qirte more parables about a fake journeyman, that way religious people power him through belief, and agnostic followers will end up subverting chaos. Either we end up with an non-austist god emperor or purified warp.
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>Lieren's dad is dying the day Big E comes to the planet
>E comes to Lieren's house
>Dad refuses treatment, he's lived a long and fulfilling life
>Lieren's dad asks this (Not)Godlike being but one thing: To help Lieren's dream come true
All to this
https://youtu.be/W8x4m-qpmJ8
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>>4653893
Honestly, we need to train more. Like, a LOT more. Lieren is still weak as hell for a primarch. He still had difficulties killing the sorcerer, when he should have been able to backslap him into a thin mist effortlessly.

We need, a training arc.
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>>4653918
The Sorcerer was also the first thing we've encountered that we actually struggled against at all. The Toad Dragon broke our skin, but other than that we toyed with it. The two things in the Devouring Woods were killed with relatively little effort. We KO'd an entire army while developing a new martial art from the ground up.

Lieren has been training, getting stronger as he goes.
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What if Lieren is like Aplharius/Omegon in that he has a weaker/smaller body? He's just called a Giant because everyone on Shangrala is just small?

Lieren could be around say Custodes in size
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>>4653918
Not really. We are only 8 ish years old.
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>>4653918
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>>4653967
As I stated before, I truly believe that lieren is a late bloomer and that we have yet to go through primarch puberty.

I think maybe we'll go through it when we topple the vishnu, but that is still a ways off
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>>4653946
I don't know about that. Primarchs are developed to have appropriate sizes to their roles (alpharius omegon, lorgar, they're weaker because their roles don't need strength) lieren doesn't fit in any of these kinds of situations.
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>>4654008
Inquisitor primarch.
Grey knights and exorcists are from the 2nd legion, there founding is a mystery because it was all scrubed away.
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>>4654031
Exorcists are Lorgar's boys anon
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>>4654031
Their founding isn't a mystery though. The only mystery is "What is put into their geneseed, that they call the "emperor's gift""

>>4654046
And nah, the exorcists are offshoots of the grey knights, fully pure and all.
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>>4654031
What? No. They got kablooey'd by something...either by the viking furry or by xenos. Grey Knights are different from normal legions on purpose.
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>>4654031
>>4654065
It's been theorized for a long time now that Lieren is the actual gene seed for the grey knights. it's fun to think about
>inb4 fanfic
this whole thing is fanfic
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>>4654068
I think the Grey Knights being the 'Sons' of the Angel AKA the '0th/Prototype Primarch' is more likely given how obsessed about purity both are
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I suspect Lieren's sons will be highly adaptable, develop golden eyes in some and will be very controlled.

That may be boring for some, but I think it's a great building block for a powerful set of marines. I also think his geneseed will have a high acceptance rate and little to no mutations like perturabo's
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>>4654072
'The Angel' really throws a big wrench in the whole thing about Lieren being anti-chaos...but i mean, what is he supposed to be?

We've been trying to figure it out for over five thousand posts, and yet we cannot. Sure, we have the golden evil-seeing eyes, but how can we be the anti-chaos primarch if that was already the protoprimarch's role?

We can't be the inquisition primarch because the emperor didn't have an inquisition.

We can't be the 'prosperity' primarch because roomba gollyloop already fits that. And, if you believe the theories, angron before he got lobotomized

We can't be the void warfare primarch because we've already conquered an entire kingdom and we haven't even so much as seen the sea.
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>>4654093
Wouldn't the golden eyes be the mutation?

I also suspect that there will be a tradition of having new intiates teach normal humans both the Carp and Panther style to learn from teaching and to humanize the legion.
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>>4654169
Honestly we don't have to be anything. Lion, Horus and us make up the generalist Trifecta, that's not a bad thing. Fulgrim too in a lesser extent.

>>4654170
I meant like, leman russ' furries and hawk boy's vampires.
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>>4654169
The Angel's role was to fight Chaos, yes, but it was indeed a prototype. It's uncontrollable, insane, flawed. When the Emperor locked it up, he never meant for it to be used again as it would slaughtered humans indiscriminately simply because they were connected to the warp by virtue of having souls. The Angel was intended to be the Emperor's only son, but containing such power in a single, artificial entity proved impossible, so he split it by 20. We can still be the anti-Chaos primarch, though anti-corruption would be more accurate. We're neither a blank nor a powerful psyker, both things would be instrumental in the mass-slaughter of neverborn.
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>>4654169
We are the berserker primarch then, giving how we constantly feel the urging to kill people we dislike, and the burning rage against the sorceror and daemon.
Angron and Lieren got their genes and roles swapped.
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I can imagine our Legion with an unorthodox set up. Marines deployed alongside scouts/aspirants like modern DTs. Or a noticeably larger normal human presence, friends of the guard.
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>>4654216
And abhumans, given our new nieces and nephews.
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>>4654263
>send us your abhumans, we have health insurance and a 401k plan
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Calling the vote now. Sorry for the wait. Loved all the discuision.

Stop Aruna and his kin from butchering the man, and let the envoy return to his master with a copy of the journey in hand:13
lift the worm from the ground, and politely question him of the Technology the Vishnu hold:9
"This man's life holds more value to me in the form of a single task":1
Send a general and group of soldiers to accompany the Envoy:1
Explain to the General how sorcery enrages your Vishnu friend, and it would be in his best interest to explain how the collars functions:1
"My friends and trusted generals, your fury is righteous but allow me to give an use to this worm. He may know more about this things.":1

So, Lieren will stop Aruna and Co from making Dhananjay Deadanjay, and lift him into the air to question him off the Vishnu's technology, before ensuring he is treated well and given a parting gift in the form of a translated copy of the Journey

Before going to meet with his generals

Writing now

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>>4653893
heh
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"Cease!" You bark, you voice like the fall of thunder. So mighty is your roar, it silences all other noise and even seems to still the wind, by sheer coincidence. Aruna's wild, fury drowned eyes whip over to you, his mask of paint and dyes cracking from the near feral grimace his expression has warped into.

He bows his head, after you shoot him, and Rudra and Akanksha behind him a stern glare. Manu and Kamakshi have managed to reign into their emotions, and kept from joining the would be lynching party.

"Your aggression, and halt thy threats, my friend and honored general. I understand, that this man and the master who woulds the leash to his collar, have committed a grave sin, and insult to these proud warriors" You say in Vishnu, as Aruna nods, Rudra simply taps his fingers along the rough haft of his hatchet. Akansha tries to shrink away from your gaze and lecture, meekly bowing her head despite her previous violent intentions.

Dhananjay wheezes again, choking on his own tongue and bile. He struggles to stand in the face of three natural born killers. You lash your arm outwards, whipping it through the air with enough force to produce a keening whistle.

"However, he has come into our fortress as a guest, even if he is the servant of a tyrant. He approached us with good manner and peaceful intent, even if his master and self stand against the virtues we believe and struggle to uphold, I will not see him butchered as an animal" You sternly state.

"My apologizes, for a moment I forgot I was no longer the savage man I once was" Aruna says, eyes slowly drifting to rest on the envoy squirming behind you "I would...request, to see this man gone from our company. That is how you Yan would put it, yes?"

"Why I thought for a moment you were one of our nobleborn friends" Manu teases, glancing towards Kamakshi with a smirk "More so than our fellow chief, dressing up as one"

"Remember forth, I may be dressed in soft silks, but my body is still forged of iron, and I can pluck your tongue from your skull with the same ease as pulling a fruit from its tree" Kamakshi says, in a sweet yet threatening tone.

"I was just following the first's lead! as is tradition" Akanksha proclaims as she turns away, obviously pouting.

"Do not lie, little bird, you'd have been the first to disembowel the worm before us" Rudra laughs boisterously, before the youngest of the chieftains slams her elbow into his gut, nearly toppling him, and restarting their good natured brawl.

"Perhaps my brother was right when he suggested I should find a tutor of the Vishnu Tongue" Lai Song sighs, tugging on his mustache as he confusedly watches the conversation between you and the chiefs "After all, in recent days, I hear it almost as often as I do Yan"

"Perhaps you should" You say, briefly switching to your native tongue before turning to address the Envoy now kneeling at your feet, prostrating himself and slapping his hands upon the ground to show his gratitude towards you,
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>>4654705

for preserving his life despite the disdain you had shown.

Crouching down, you grab the man with both of your hands, taking him by the under of his shoulders, to safely raise him into the air, above your own head. He doesn't have the power to even shriek or try to struggle from your grasp, being exposed to effects of your direct attention for as long as he had been, had sapped him of his energy and will. Losing most of the liquid within his body through one method or another, had also served to render Dhananjay to weak to protest or resist.

As had, no doubt, the threat of painful death posed by Aruna, Akanksha and Rudra. All he can do is whimper and whine pleas for mercy and salvation.

"Dhananjay, I have given my word, you shall return to your master alive. I have no intention to harm you. All I am doing is helping you back to your feet" You say with a grin, but don't lower the worm to the soil just yet, as he looks at you with eyes filled with disbelief and suspicion.

"However, while you're up here" You laugh, grinning and revealing your teeth as you look the envoy directly into his eyes and into his heart, clearly causing the man a great deal of further distress "May I be so bold as to pry further in the sight that my eyes have just beheld, and humbly question. What. form. of. technology. are. those. collars"

"Technology?" He questions, looking confused, so you lift him exactly half a foot higher from the ground

"Yes. I understand what those slave collars are, but not how they function. clearly they can control the bodies of the men they are placed upon, and dull their minds. I have seen such methods of enslavement before, but performed through sorcerous means, rather than via electrical or chemical proding" You say calmly, almost casually, as if you were discussing the growth of a personal garden or season's harvest "Clearly those wicked machines are powered, yet contain some admixture of chemicals. Which controls the body? Which controls the mind"

"Lord Lieren, merciful lore Lieren, Benevolent and wise master of the free men, I do not understand what it is you're asking me" Dhananjay says in between whimpers of fear and panic, brought on by his brush with death and the duress he has undergone "I do not understand the collars of enfeeblement, all I know is how to best guide those under the thrall of such...horrid devices, and how to release their victims from their grasp. I do not understand what it is you're speaking of, the bar of iron, sinks when pressed, and the collars react. I do not understand its exact function or the means of which it breaks the wills of its wearers"

He isn't lying. He's confused and afraid, and utterly baffled by this line of questioning. He assumed the collars to be enchanted, magical tools with which a man could turn his fellows into automatons of flesh, sinew and bone. Which is why it's quite odd that the Vishnu would employ such devices.
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>>4654707

It is well known they keep slaves for many purposes and that their raids are as often driven by a need for fresher slave stock, as they are by a desire for wealth or glory. However, they are also known aversion towards sorcery and other "Shortcuts" to power or wealth. They pride themselves on their physical abilities and martial prowess. Surely, then, they would not use technology that would both appear and mimic sorcery. Unless, it was widespread and known, or. Perhaps, simply known to the ruling caste of their society and kept from the other ranks of their people.

It would explain, why a mere servant such as the one in your hands would not understand the function of these hellish devices. To all eyes, they would appear as mundane, if ornate, slave collars. Clever. It is often said, never underestimate a Vishnu's mind, but this kind of deceit reminds you more of your own trickery or the social manuvering of Qian Xia herself. How clever, and troublesome.

Perhaps this Nitya Sinha's most weapon, is not his horde of veteran Vishnu warriors and armies of screamers, or his great wealth and fertile lands. But rather, his mind. It seems, he will one day be your enemy, by the nature of your clashing worldviews and personalities, this insight into the methods of this King of Kings, will prove invaluable when the day comes that you must meet him upon the field of battle.

Either in defending the lands you have freed, or seeking to liberate those crushed beneath his heel.

"I see...I see, I shouldn't have expected you to be so knowledgeable of such an arcane device. I have grown accustomed to speaking with curious minds and analytic intellects, it would seem" You say, as you gently lower the envoy to the ground and smile gently "Unless you require rest, you are free to return to your master, if you are weary, I will offer once more my hospitality and protection to you, and....a gift"

You turn back and look to Manu, who realizes nigh instantly what you are asking of him.

"Perhaps it will provide a clearer insight into the differences between your master and I" You say, as Manu clicks his tongue to one of his warriors, who sighs heavily, and pulls a scroll from his belt, pouting dramatically as he hands it to his leader, who then passes it to you.

Then, you gingerly copy the recent additions you have made to the journey, at a pace that would rival falling lightning in its haste, before setting the scroll in Dhananjay's hands.

"May it serve your master well, a grant him the wisdom he lacks" You say politely as you turn to Lai Song "Come friend, we have a war to wage, it will not be won by standing idle and gawking at every surprise that we come across"

"Har, of course, I was simply waiting to escort you to the war council" Lai Song says with a half snorted chuckle
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>>4654710

"And all of you my friends, come along as well, we're to discuss our coming battles, maybe it will calm the raging hearts of Akanksha and Rudra" You say, seemlessly switching to Vishnu again, causing Akanksha to lift her head up and grin happily as you say her name.

"Like a well trained Pup" Kamakshi teases "Perhaps I should build you a kennel, to ease the shame of your coming defeat"

"Hur, he doesn't even look your way when your dressed like one of those weak, spoilt princesses, you have no chance, Seventh" Akanksha cackles as you roll your eyes

"He is a very focused man" Kamakshi blusters as her "rival for your affections" continues laughing maniacally at her response
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The meeting of your generals, was a tiring affair. Yin Lei had become possessed by such a wild fury, he could not sit still and paced the room shouting curses towards the Yan nobility and their sinful ways, even going so far as to draw his own sword as he raved, maddened by actions of your enemies. He had, calmed himself, and began sharpening his killing tool, reigning in his emotions as the Journey taught to. Lai Song had to be kept from drunkenly riding out to confront the Old fox himself, and when the Vishnu were told of the deeds of the Yan, they to had to be restrained from launching a heroic and suicidal raid to rescue the willing hostages taken by the Old Fox and his underlings.

Daiyu remained silent, clearly haunted by what was occuring just over the border.

Yin Jie was nearly as infuriated as his brother.
Lord Lai had stopped his brother from riding off himself.

Dai Niu did not speak and just held his head, reacting with sorrow rather than blind rage.

What a cacophony it had become. Like a pack of rabid dogs fighting over an old bone. Every general present for the council made their fury known, by shouting curses towards Yan Zihao, Oaths to personally cut down the aged legend of war, or promises to be the first into combat to right this terrible wrongdoing.

But now, they have exhausted themselves, and your usually calm and courteous comrades, lay tired in their seats, red faced and struggling to breath as they had spent several hours in their tirades against the actions of the Yan Tyrants.

Now, you could begin discussion on the course of action your army should take.

"We cannot delay, there is no time for us to now" Dai Niu said, speaking at last "My honorable Lord, many passionate voices have been raised, demanding an immediate march into the Northern Yin lands, some have even called for a direct assault on the capital, ignoring the armies that stand between Mao Castle, and the Celestial Landing. You, despite your young age, are clearly a natural tactician, none could claim that you were not a genius, so I ask you, Lord Lieren. How will we save the women and children of Yan?"
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>>4654714

What is your next move against the Yan, Lieren?
> One half of your army shall lead a diversion, to draw the Yan army to one of the borders, the other shall strike them from behind before the battle commences
>Gather the entirety of your army, and test its fangs against the with of the Old Fox. Dai Niu is right, there is no time to waste. The march begins at dawn
>Separate your army into many pieces, and carefully send them over the border to regroup, so their crossing will not be noticed
>"I have learned a method to peer into the memories of other men, I shall catch one of the Northern Yin Generals, and find the purpose for these actions, and return upon the eve of battle" *stand from your chair, and go speak with Kang Yongrui"
>Write in?
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>>4654716
>"I have learned a method to peer into the memories of other men, I shall catch one of the Northern Yin Generals, and find the purpose for these actions, and return upon the eve of battle" *stand from your chair, and go speak with Kang Yongrui"
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>>4654716
>"I have learned a method to peer into the memories of other men, I shall catch one of the Northern Yin Generals, and find the purpose for these actions, and return upon the eve of battle" *stand from your chair, and go speak with Kang Yongrui"
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>>4654716
>>"I have learned a method to peer into the memories of other men, I shall catch one of the Northern Yin Generals, and find the purpose for these actions, and return upon the eve of battle" *stand from your chair, and go speak with Kang Yongrui"
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>>4654716
>"I have learned a method to peer into the memories of other men, I shall catch one of the Northern Yin Generals, and find the purpose for these actions, and return upon the eve of battle" *stand from your chair, and go speak with Kang Yongrui"
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>>4654716
>>"I have learned a method to peer into the memories of other men, I shall catch one of the Northern Yin Generals, and find the purpose for these actions, and return upon the eve of battle" *stand from your chair, and go speak with Kang Yongrui"
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>>4654716
>Gather the entirety of your army, and test its fangs against the with of the Old Fox. Dai Niu is right, there is no time to waste. The march begins at dawn
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>>4654716
>"I have learned a method to peer into the memories of other men, I shall catch one of the Northern Yin Generals, and find the purpose for these actions, and return upon the eve of battle" *stand from your chair, and go speak with Kang Yongrui"
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>>4654716
>>"I have learned a method to peer into the memories of other men, I shall catch one of the Northern Yin Generals, and find the purpose for these actions, and return upon the eve of battle" *stand from your chair, and go speak with Kang Yongrui"
I need to know how this thing works
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>>4654921
Adding
>>Write in?
we should get our technicians to look at the collars while we're gone, see if they can figure out how they work.
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>>4654716
>I have learned a means of peering into ones mind, without the aid of sorcery
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>>4654716
>>"I have learned a method to peer into the memories of other men, I shall catch one of the Northern Yin Generals, and find the purpose for these actions, and return upon the eve of battle" *stand from your chair, and go speak with Kang Yongrui"
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One of these days we need to sit down with the women who fancy us and tell them outright that it's not going to happen. Better the sooner because I'd hate to see them turn into dead eggers.
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>>4655021
Are there any more than Akanksha and Kamakshi?
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>>4655021
What we need to do is personally train two of our soldiers to be able to handle some Vishnu Amazons.
The upshot of this (provided they survive) is that they'll be some of the deadliest warriors in Yan.
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>>4655025
Nope, but them two do need something about them. Maybe find them some husbands.
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>>4655021
Well, i suppose we'd have to explain our origin and use that as an excuse, i suppose. Lieren, as a primarch, is basically unable to have anything.

It is, however, important that we let them down in a way that's nice. I mean, if it was literally anyone but an primarch/marine they would have went wild over an vishnu amazon pining over them.
>>4655029
I don't know, maybe have some type of strength contest to find the strongest warriors in our ranks? That sounds reasonable, right? Have an context, find out who are our strongest men, and set them up on a fight against the amazon queens.
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>>4655033
Could always give them Jinhai.
But jokes aside, I think a fair few of our panther brothers could make adequate companions for them.
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>>4655033
We could arrange for a short tournament to be held between troops of higher exceptional skill.
Obviously those that have already distinguished themselves will be invited automatically. The rest of the spots however would be open to 1 man from each division, the choice being determined by said divisions.
We could frame it under the context of encouraging the further growth of our force's martial abilities.
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>>4655035
>Could always give them Jinhai.
I would say that if Jinhai's tastes didn't seem to be painfully vanilla.
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>>4654716
>Gather the entirety of your army, and test its fangs against the with of the Old Fox. Dai Niu is right, there is no time to waste. The march begins at dawn
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>>4655037
First, we have never asked or tried to deduce his tastes.
Second, who cares if he likes vanilla? The girls dont seem to be freaky about it, just into musclemen and martial gods.
Third, the man worked for Gao and shares our philosophy. Wouldnt you be put off by anything but missionary and hand holding after that?

Again, I dont think Jinhai would actually like or enjoy a relationship with the Vishnu but it wouldnt hurt to ask.
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>>4655044
Trying to play the set-up feels awfully weird though.

But i will say, maybe telling Jinhai you've just got no idea on wtf to do with them and asking his advice as a much more normal person than us sounds wise, but strictly in a 'bro' tone.

If he likes muscle girls, then he'll take the opportunity. We're not fucking cupid/fulgrim/sanguinius, we don't do matchup.
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>>4655060
Yeah, fuck it. We'll just ask next time we get a chance.
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>>4655025
who knows, i can imagine there is one or two Lieren fan clubs around the lands by now.
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>>4655060
It doesn't feel that weird to me, it's getting rid of an annoyance now big problem later and it's doing it while satisfying their desire for a mate.

To say we have no idea what to do is disingenuious, we have plenty of ideas of what to do, we just haven't gotten around to implementing any of them.
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>Lieren is known as The Ogre
So, when is he going to have a kid called Baki?
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>>4655103
When the kid kicks down our castle door and demands we fight them or they will take our Dojo armies banner.
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>>4655103
When we find a women who's just as benevolent as we are...also she has to be able to handle the massive power club standard to every Primarch's physiology.
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>>4655103
I don't think it was within the realm of possibility even during the DaoT to produce a child with an AI, Anon. We can dream, though.
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>>4655122
We could build a new AI core with Kanzeon and house it in a humanoid shell.
That's close enough, right?
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>>4655124
We'll have to fix the ship first, it sounded like she's been running on low power ever since it crashed and transferring her consciousness to another body would scuttle it. It'd be a massive project besides, we can't ask any non-heretek techpriests for help and would need a fair bit of pretty advanced technology. Definitely archeotech, maybe even xenotech.
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>>4655144
If we get some damascus steel and a list of crap she'd need, then we could give her the resources to form her own body.
The reason we didn't is that she said it'd require canabalising parts of her ship to produce the body, which would destroy memories and artifacts of her creators, losing yet more history to the passage of eons. Which she didn't like.
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>>4655122
>DaoT to produce a child with an AI, Anon
We're literally an test-tube baby, the fucking kriegsmen have them.
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>>4655158
Oh yeah...we could just clone ourselves if we meet the right people.
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>>4655159
That would probably end badly. My point here is that it would be easy, in fact, to make an child with an AI...

Which is kinda moot, because we already have god knows how many thousands of 'sons' in our legion.
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>>4655161
>Which is kinda moot, because we already have god knows how many thousands of 'sons' in our legion.
My god you're right. It's gonna be a nightmare trying to schedule individual father-son bonding excursions for each marine.
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>>4655165
Do them by fleet.
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>>4655169
>fleet by fleet fishing trips
IT SHALL BE DONE
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>>4655165
We will bond by killing dark elves

Like holy shit, Lieren is NOT going to like drukhari. He's going to make Vulkan look like...well, normal vulkan.
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>>4655180
Uncle Lieren will be second only to Vulkan in the eyes of the Salamanders, this I swear.
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>>4655124
i think a more basic thing that can be done easily, could be something for communicate with her across the world. Or for the future years at least in the Yang regions. A cable connect to the spaceship and attach to an outside communication tower for example.
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>>4655177
We accompany each fleet over it's life, and spend the time with each going company to company, bonding and learning ALL THEIR NAMES. ALL OF THEM! WE SHALL STRECH OUR IDETIC MEMORY TO THE LIMITS
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>>4655256
>forcing Malal to come up with names for each marine in our legion
How delightfully cruel, my friend.

Unrelatedly, I just realized that the planet we landed on is the only change to canon, meaning our legion is as it was in the original continuity. There's no guarantee they were recruited from a pool complementary to ourselves, unlike almost every other legion (save I think the Death Guard?). It'll be interesting to see what their culture is like.
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>>4655271
>Our legion has mysteriously took the tradition of replacing their first name with Jinyinainu.

But nah, just every marine we interact with at a stratigic level, like our first captain or the leaders of the groups we are directing on the ground.
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>>4655337
Ah, gotcha. Yeah, getting to know company captains is a must. And the captains of our fleet, more prominent remembrancers, Mechanicus representatives, and Auxillia regimental commanders. We've a lot of networking to do once dad picks us up.
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>>4655444
No, my friend, I mean that Malal would only have to come up with names for every one of those individuals. Mechanically, instead of saying their names, we just know it already.

From the perspective of the world, we are putting in so much effort to learn about people as more than expendable meat puppets which we order to die where we want them to. And that endears us to them
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>>4655033
>Lieren, as a primarch, is basically unable to have anything.
He doesnt know that

>Lieren: guys! You gotta help! Muscular busty amazonian women want my dick! You gotta help me
>literally everyone: gives him a look of jealousy
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>>4655469
I'm pretty sure Lieren already knows he doesn't really have the physical capability to feel romance. Emps just cut that cord.

I mean, i'm pretty sure people already think Lieren is beyond human. Having him go full monk would be a surprise, but uh...not really unbelivable.
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>>4655623
Why would he? He literally went from Farmer to fucking General. Fulgrim felt this shit, Its literally just life choices and the world you arrive don that shaped shit.
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>>4655635
He just don't feel nothin'. I'm pretty sure primarchs don't have romantical feelings. Not genuine ones, that's for sure.
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>>4655655
I’d imagine they would feel the love that one would have for a best friend, not romantic but something along the lines of childhood friends who would die for eachother
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>>4655665
So no romantical feelings, then. Like i said, Lieren is uh...already obviously not human. He doesn't even try to hide it. There's an widely known play about how he literally came from the stars.
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>>4655623
We are a monk, in case you forget. We've made it a point to abstain from everything but the most basic bitch of shit unless it was a gift or we required it, even using it as an excuse to avoid marrying Gao's children.

As for "love", then it's not out of the realm of possibility but sexual desire I think is out of the running unless we go slannesh, since we'd try it out eventually
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>>4655665
>>4655675
Actually now that I reread my post and remembered Fulgrim and Ferrus, it’d be more accurate to say that they have the capacity to feel familial love but you’re right, Primarchs shouldn’t be able to feel romantic feelings
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>>4655675
Man, why do you think that primarchs fell in the first place, although they are advanced beyond normal humans they are still completely human emotionally and spiritually, that is why they fell, that is why even though they are as close to perfection as possible they still make mistakes and terrible decisions, because they ARE humans, not even the emperor is above these emotions of love and lust, our own brothers have shown love and lust towards humans women.

I just want to know what you think makes lieren so special that he is somehow "above" these desires that our brothers, our father, and our fellow men as well as son's are most certainly not.

Lieren isn't some super duper sage who can't feel these emotions, it's simply that he has not experienced them yet, hell, in a lot of our fantasies about what people will be doing once we are dead in the ground in just a few decades (because we don't know we're semi immortal)we wonder how our son's will fare without us and how our descendants will affect the world,.this fantasy points that at some point in the future lieren expects to fall in love and settle down, it's just not happening right now.
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>>4655688
What!?
Fuck no man, we indulge ourselves plenty and our philosophy centers around enjoying all that the world has to offer and treating our fellow men well and good, we're not going to deny anyone or ourselves their vices, we merely ask for restraint and responsibility
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>>4655712
We don't indulge ourselves plenty, the best case you have is that we eat fine food. We refuse alcohol whenever it is offered to us, we again abstain from sex [though more out of disinterest than effort] and nearly never take any time off at all if it isn't in service of some greater goal.
Ling mentions that we never took any breaks during Gao's service, The war has given us no time to ourselves and the only time we DID take a break was when we took our father on a journey.

We don't need fancy things or intoxicants, we have the thankfulness of the people and that's the only vice we really need.
Though granted, murdering gao can count as indulging quite a bit.
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>>4655655
>>4655665
Vulkan went so apeshit when one a lady remembrancer in his fleet died that he killed a child. It was an eldar child, but still, I'd argue that he loved her in a romantic way. And Loken loved Mersadie, so we know regular astartes can love. It's just rare.
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>>4655731
I’d say astartes are arguably still human, highly modified from baseline but still human. There’s only so much pycho-indoctrination can do at suppressing base human emotions like romantic love or lust
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Still catching up on the quest, but dammit Malal.
>"Lieren!" Kamakshi coos happily as she spots you, and you see she has been forced into a silk dress more befitting of a Yan noblewoman than her usual furs, though she still wears bands of Iron around her neck.
>Kamakshi tries her best to draw your gaze to herself, posing dramatically like an actor in a play. You simply remain where you stand, arms crossed.

Ara-ara's intensify. Seems like the prosperity really is mega.
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>>4655688
SLANNESH is EXTREME EXCESS, not exclusively sex.
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Guys
Lieren is technically a shota. There are two relatively big women (compared to base line humans) pinning for his affection
>ara ara intensifies
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>>4655730
I think Lieren actually does on a very rare occasion drink fishgut alcohol. He mentions it's less a celebratory drink and more something you drink while contemplating or mulling things over. It doesn't happen often but when people are content and there is nothing to do Lieren is happy to celebrate with the people or play pretend with kids. I don't doubt his teachings will get warped over time but Lieren is totally fine with people indulging as can be seen by all the fog panther hides in the village or him letting his dad get a hangover.
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>>4655851
>Lieren is technically a shota.
A shota is someone with a youthful or childlike male appearance.
Lieren is a hypermuscled giant of a man.
Get gone from here, hornyposter.
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>>4651156
Please keep up the great work!
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>>4655854
Doing it once in a while isn't "Indulging ourselves plenty" to the point that we don't live a more monk lifestyle in this regard than not. But other than that, I agree with most of what you say other than the fog panther hides aroudn the village of Nothing, those are used as insulation and clothing to keep people warm as Lieren explains. It's also why he didn't like gao upon entering his throne room, he saw a pelt on the floor as a mat which served no purpose but to display his wealth.

>>4655838
I know and agree, but it's also something nearly every slanneshi has done at least once.
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>>4655945
Every nurglite has also just sat down for hours and done absolutely nothing

Every khornite has killed an asshole they don't like

Every tzeenchian has spent hours upon hours thinking of how to do some the right way

I don't understand why the hell you're saying Every slaneeshi has had sex as if it proves anything, cultists are (unfortunately) also humans and do tons of Shit we do, except they take it way past cool
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>>4656005
because the point I made under that was
"Primarchs don't by the by feel sexual desire, unless of course they went slanneshi, whereby the would try it out at somepoint."
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>>4656015
And that by the by is fucking wrong as fuck, unless you are calling fucking wolfboy a slaneeshi cultist in disguise

Primarchs do fucking feel desires, same as every man
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>>4656027
I'd be inclined, undisciplined rabble.

But all the same, doing it once maybe as many as six times in his youth, then never doing it again in his entire 200+ year existance during the crusade still has him, by the by or in other terms most of the time not feeling such things. And then he is the only one out of 21 primarchs to indulge in those urges, while also being the most uninhibited without being mentally damaged. This isn't strong arguments that this is what primarchs feel since it can easily be attributed to the culture he grew up in, where fucking by 14-16 is acceptable because 18 is an old man
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>>4656027
Fuck, forgot about Russ.
Guess we do have the capacity to want to fuck, unless the Emperor only made Leman able to feel the need.
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>>4655945
its also something every imperial, Tzeech, Corn, and Nurgle worshipper has done. And Eldari, and Tau, and any other Xenos race in the galaxy.
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>>4656042
Wouldn't suprise me. I do wonder what state his partner was left in, since allegedly the emperor's kids when they were still a thing they basically brutalised their partners.

>>4656051
It's also something that 1 out of 21 primarchs has done by themselves and without any prompting.
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>>4656055
The sensei? I don't remember anything about them being rapists or anything. Lotta different versions of them in the lore though. I think they've been reinstated now? Then again, Saturnine is a thing and the Twins' backstory seems to be all of them for sure now. So who knows these days?
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>>4656079
>Who knows
Nobody living and not omniscient, that's for certain.
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>>4656079
Oh no, I didn't mean that emps raped someone to make them, I mean that their interactions left the human injured just due to the nature of his strength/psychic presence.

That's what I meant by the mothers being brutalised, not by intent just as a result.
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>>4656091
Ah. Yeah, that makes more sense. Even as a corpse the custodians in His throne room take damage just by being there. But speaking of sensei, I wonder if we'll ever meet any? I do like those weird/old parts of the lore.
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>>4656101
>But speaking of sensei, I wonder if we'll ever meet any?
Didn't they all fuck off to the warp to try and merge with the Star Child?
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>>4656136
Not by 30k I don’t think
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>>4656136
>>4656141
Yeah, most of, if not all of their lore is post-Heresy. The Star Child only exists because Emps purged all of his "good" feelings from his soul before he fucked Horus with mindbullets.
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>>4656141
>>4656154
Okay, so we might meet some of our half brothers and sisters during our journeys. Kinda excited for that possibility.
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Calling the vote now. Sorry for the wait. Machine spirit is being more rebellious than usual

I have learned a method to peer into the memories of other men, I shall catch one of the Northern Yin Generals:10
Gather the entirety of your army:2
Study the slave collars:1

So Lieren will state he shall risk himself to find out the True plans of the Yan, and leave to speak with the crippled Heir, Kang Yongrui

Writing now

Also, see you lads have been invoking she who thirsts, again

>>4655271
I mean, it is a bit cruel

>>4655165
>>4655169
>>4655177
>Ancient dreadnaught of the 2nd legion awoken
>"Tell us of our father, oh vulnerable elder brother"
>*Long silence*
>"Elder brother?"
>"He had discovered the most efficient means of baiting fish, while I was within his company. such a simple act, yet so gracefully done. He even refused to employ live bait, thinking it to be a cruel to make even such a small, insignificant life suffer such a fate as being devoured alive"
>*Loud cheering rocks the fortress monastery*
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I'd laugh, and laugh hard, if we put in a warning about "voices in the dark" in our book. Later, The Lion reads it and pulls us up with a "WHAT DO YOU KNOW???"

>>4655177
We shall become the devourer of aquatic biomass that the Tyranid swarm could only match thousands of years later with specific evolutions.

>>4656529
>Ancient dreadnought: "Even in death, I still surf 'n' turf.
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>>4656577
I fucking dig it. Reminds me of some of the unit patches we have on the ship.
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>>4656577
Nice and purplish, maybe add a carp in its mouth to symbolically represent that we have 2 paths, the carp path and the panther path
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I really liked the idea our legion is minimalist and so our colours or lighter and not overstated. instead I could imagine a large use of silk shawls and accessories. A big idea is jade talismans a marine would wear around their neck to define their company; different colours of jade shaped into different animals based on the Clans from our conquest of home. As a Marine grows they get another showing the lessons they have learned (So far we got Panther, Horse, Boar, Turtle, Carp and more to come!)
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>>4656599
Panther is Feng
Carp is jinhai

What are the rest?

As for ourselves, we're obviously THE HUNTER
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"That, is a quandary that has plagued my mind since I myself learned of the foxes' lie" You sigh, raising your head from the map set out in front of you, as, while it may show where your enemies lay ahead of you, it does not show where their captives are kept. Though Liang and Feng postulated that, from the rumors and hearsay they heard, the Yan had opened the captial to welcome the displaced sons, daughters and wives of their subjects, offering protection. Bai, believed with all his spirit, that Yan Zihao intended to use the poor souls as a screen of sorts, to shield their armies from the devastating power of the "Steel Dragons" and Gatling guns.

Dong, in a dark tone, had offered an even more horrifying and disturbing possibility, that with the chaos of war and loss of lands, that perhaps, the foxes were merely stocking their larders to endure through the winter. Which, would not be as unbelievable as you wish it would be. The old breed of nobility, did not see their peasantry as fellow men. An old story comes to your mind, of a general who had a boy whipped, after his horse had been startled by his presence and shattered his ribcage. The poor youth of course died, but such a tale showed the exact measure of the contempt and apathy the "Common" virtueless noble felt for those beneath him. It did not apply to every man or woman blessed with noble blood, of course. and even such heartless beasts could hold a spark of love for another, as seen with the Father Tao Song, who treated the lives of those who lived upon his lands as disposable as candles, yet treasured his family more than the jewels he worked his people to death to attain.

"For, we have no knowledge of where or how they are keeping their captives, Dai Niu" You say, idly turning your hand to the Map, Manu translating your words as you do so "Nor the tragic fate they intend to force upon those unfortunate souls, will they use them as a living shield? To force us to fight as battles were once fought?"

You cast your gaze over you gathered generals. Yin Lei pauses in sharpening the edge of his sword, halting his maintenance to gaze deeply into his reflection, a haunted look passing over his tired eyes. The fingers of the Vishnu Chiefs, twitch towards their weapons as they understand your words, but they restrain themselves from passionately denouncing the deeds of the enemies you face together. Dai Niu shudders, like a man his age left alone in the uncaring winds of winter. Lai Song scowls, but says nothing.

"Or, do they intend to spend their lives as ransom? using my own kind, gentle nature against me, and forcing our march to halt, under the threat of a massacre of unheard of, of unimaginable vileness?" You question, turning your back to the table now.
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>>4656630

"They would pen the story of their own deaths, if they'd think you would be cowed, rather than enraged by such wickedness" Yin Lei says simply, never taking his eyes off of his reflection within his polished blade "Yet, I would not be truly surprised by such idiotic and meaningless cruelty"

"I would ride with Lieren to avenge them, if such a tragedy comes to pass" Lai Song says solemnly "Even if it would mean riding to my own death, as well. Such a thing cannot be forgiven"

"If it does occur" Dai Niu says solemnly, his eyes closed tightly, his expression pained "the Yan are tyrants, they will hold onto power like a Century tortoise bites"

"And the men in their army, will believe us to be legions of devilspawn and mindless thralls" Yin Lei says angrily, his eyes narrowing "What a cruel irony, that they march beneath the banner of the true devils"

You do not mention Dong's theory, as though it is plausible, it would only serve to heighten the wrath of your men, and drive them to act rashly, foolishly. But then, it occurs to you, as you feel the atmosphere of the room change from one of barely restrained fury, to a cool sorrow akin to that of an empty battlefield. And this simple thing, brings a revelation to you, like a spark becomes an inferno. Of course! of course! how could you be so careless. The way to find the Yan's intentions, have been upon your hip all this while. How foolish of you, how utterly foolish.

You scowl turns to a smirk, and you nearly have a fit of laughter, directed towards yourself, before you restrain the glee now coursing through you as it would be quite inappropriate to act in such a way considering the present circumstance.

The Lotus Scepter! It can show memories and thoughts of those who have been pricked by its needle. Which is exactly what you require now, and no one will shed tears for a tyrant, if it functions by sapping the life of another.

Standing tall and proud, you turn back to the map, and focus upon the two white banners flying beside the gold of the Yan dynasty. Two generals, following behind the main army like cliffjumper chicks do their mother. Though close behind, they are still separate from the main Yan army, almost as if they are acting as though they are holding the end Yan Zihao's robes for him.

Gathering men, scouting the lands, preparing it to stand beside their masters in the storm to come. Leaving themselves vulnerable, never once considering they could be stalked beneath the mists.

"My most trusted, and dearest friends, my brothers and sisters in arms. I ask for your forgiveness, for keeping the knowledge I hold from your eyes" You say somewhat blithely, the air turns tense and heavy before you allow yourself a chuckle and shake your head "For I have learned of a method to peer into the memories of other men, in my travels, I shall capture one of the Northern Yin Generals and find the true purpose for their actions"
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>>4656631

You are met with many confused and curious stares, except for Jinhai, who seems nonplussed by this revelation and the statement you had made.

"Something Grandfather Guozhi must have taught him" Jinhai says without so much as blinking "It would certainly ease our minds of the mystery presented by exactly what form of wickedness the Yan intent to perform upon their captives, and perhaps, even reveal to us weakness yet unseen"

"A form of technology that I have found that shall reveal the plans of our enemies. It is not sorcerous in nature, though I do not understand it fully " You say in Vishnu at the exact moment Manu finishes translating your prior statement, Rudra looks at your suspiciously, Aruna simply nods and Manu gets a curious glint in his eyes. Akanksha simply looks confused, while Kamakshi nods in agreement.


"Perhaps I shall share the story of how I acquired such techniques, upon my return" You say, bowing your head as you cupped your hands "Which I swear to do so, upon the eve of battle at the latest"

"So the Giant will Hunt the Qilin, sounds like a song to me" Lai Song says with a confident smirk, nodding his head in approval.

"Gaze not into the darkness, lest it turns its eyes towards you as well" Yin Lei says, wagging a single finger in the air as he did so "Take care, Lieren, to remember those words in your hunt"

"You seem to enjoy hunting more than commanding, I've noticed" Dai Niu says bluntly "Perhaps it is not in your nature, though I must humbly ask, Lord Lieren, who shall lead this battle in the unlikely event you do not return to us before the battle again the fox and his hounds begins?"

Dai Niu, with his sullied reputation, would lower morale of your troops and the generals who lead them. While he is well trained in the ways of war, and is a veteran general, this fact and the area he had chosen to focus in expertise within, namely that of Defensive and slow, grinding marches. Was ill suited for the current climate of the warfront.

So to, was Lai Song, and any of the Vishnu Chiefs, for much of the same reasons. Lai Song, while effective at lightning strikes and overwhelming aggression and a pioneer of a new form of warfare, will at times become too confident in his victory to come or rely too heavily upon his complete mastery of cavalry, which are weakness that can bring even a master of combat as Lai Song to his knees. And the Vishnu, are wild in how they wage war, even when civilized. Fearless, yes, but also somewhat careless. Yan Zihao is a genius, he'd see these two weakness and use them to their fullest advantage.

Yin Lei, the Black General, The Unbroken Thunder's Howl. A living Legend as Dai Niu and Lai Song are, but while they had focused their studies and thus their expertise, into a single faucet of war and honed their mastery to near heavenly levels, Yin Lei, had become a generalist. A master among generalists, he has not once tasted the sting of defeat,
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>>4656635

no matter the environment or foe he battles.

But, Yan Zihao is also a generalist. Yin Lei is a safe choice, but one that may make any meeting between these two Legends stall, even with the large advantage your army holds in both armaments and training.

Daiyu. Untested, but Yin Lei's own student. And most importantly, a surviving child of the Gao Line, whose fall from grace and power started this war. Her banner, flying high and proud at the forefront of your army, would be an crippling blow to the morale of reinforced armies of the Yan and Northern Yin, and any virtuous man who fights within them or leads them to battle. She's clever, but has yet to achieve a victory on her own merits, rather than as a mere follower of Yin Lei. Which might lessen her theoretical authority over the generals who would serve beneath her

Jinhai, he has gained a reputation as a rising star of the rebellion and the "Fourth King of war" for his strings of victory. While he is a better fighter than he is a leader, that still means he is quite talented at the task of commanding men. Being able to hold his own in combat, and command not only the actions but respect of others, is what makes a general great in Yan. While the shape of warfare is changing by your interferences, tradition does not vanish overnight. However, while his experimental and ever shifting tactics of waging war have proven thus far uncounterable. Yan Zihao is a greater beast than any of his prior quarries. Could Jinhai match his wit against the Old foxes.

Or perhaps, perhaps. You should do away with the idea of a centralized command entirely. And take a lesson from the Xue. Rather than having one general whose commands flow down to his underlings who then command the army he leads, thus presenting an inherent, yet grievous danger of the army collapsing upon the death of its leader. Why not remove such a figure head from play entirely? While a unified front, with a clear commander, is in of itself valuable, such a structure is weakened by the same means that would make it preferable to the alternative of a less cohesive form of leadership. And that is reputation. A valued, respected, storied leader inspires his men, while his death will leave them listless and loss.

Is the damage to morale and pains of transitioning to a new form of army, worthwhile in exchange for a easier transition from orders to actions and ensuring the army could endure as long as one general survived to lead it? An army ruled by committee, fractured yet whole. Would it be stronger or weaker than the traditional structure?
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>>4656637

What is your answer to Dai Niu, Lieren?
>Yin Lei, beyond myself, he perhaps embodies our struggle against tyranny the most. He stands as a pinnacle, both among generals and common men.
>Daiyu, let us break the Yan's wills as they wish to break ours. She is a student of the Black general, and a child of the line they intend to return to power. The Twin dragons shall fly once again, at the head of the "ogres" army. The morale loss will be devastating, as I have long planned it to be.
>Jinhai, my guard, student and at times teacher. His mind works differently than other men's. He can look to the clouds and find inspiration among them. Yan Zihao may be a genius, but Jinhai is in a realm beyond him yet. His wit, I am sure, would best the old fox, and leave him as confused as all who had faced him before
>Why, all of you. You all have your expertises, your habits and your preferred ways to wage and win wars. Seeking a single leader, is foolish, when an army can become as many yet remain as one. Do you not see it, my friend? the potential, of an army that cannot have its head severed lest every general within it meets his end?
>Write in?
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>>4656577
Nice, good work!

Also gonna try and bring the next update a bit faster than my normal pace, to make up for the long wait for the last two updates

If the machine spirit is willing to not be a cunt, of course
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>>4656639
>>Why, all of you. You all have your expertises, your habits and your preferred ways to wage and win wars. Seeking a single leader, is foolish, when an army can become as many yet remain as one. Do you not see it, my friend? the potential, of an army that cannot have its head severed lest every general within it meets his end?
This one I find very interesting. High risk in that our army could be paralyzed through disagreement, high reward in that it might be as though our enemy fights against three. Let's see.
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>>4656639
>Why, all of you. You all have your expertises, your habits and your preferred ways to wage and win wars. Seeking a single leader, is foolish, when an army can become as many yet remain as one. Do you not see it, my friend? the potential, of an army that cannot have its head severed lest every general within it meets his end?
> If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it.
>Sun Tzu
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>>4656639
>Why, all of you. You all have your expertises, your habits and your preferred ways to wage and win wars. Seeking a single leader, is foolish, when an army can become as many yet remain as one. Do you not see it, my friend? the potential, of an army that cannot have its head severed lest every general within it meets his end?
It's time for modern techniques of combat. Having one single general is foolish. Let them do their best roles.
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>>4656639
I really want Daiyu to lead this one. I really really do wish to because she needs the victory to legitimize herself.

But modern tactics require modern innovation. Namely "next man up". We have no head that can be cut off, simply talented fingers.
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>>4656639
>Daiyu, let us break the Yan's wills as they wish to break ours. She is a student of the Black general, and a child of the line they intend to return to power. The Twin dragons shall fly once again, at the head of the "ogres" army. The morale loss will be devastating, as I have long planned it to be.
Yin and Jinhai qill serve as her sub-commanders and advisors. Let's try a first anong equals thing, but mantain a chain of command, if every decision has to be voted on, or if part of a force does a maneuver that ruins the plan of another one, than the efficiency suffers.
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>>4656680
I thought that was what it meant by "run by commitee". Burt if not, changing >>4656669 to support.
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>>4656549
>I'd laugh, and laugh hard, if we put in a warning about "voices in the dark" in our book. Later, The Lion reads it and pulls us up with a "WHAT DO YOU KNOW???"
"Empers Tempers Mr. Lion! Do you think Mr. Lieren knows?"
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>>4656641
You could have a Yin Yang symbol of sorts with Panther and Carp taking each side
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>>4656639
>>Daiyu, let us break the Yan's wills as they wish to break ours. She is a student of the Black general, and a child of the line they intend to return to power. The Twin dragons shall fly once again, at the head of the "ogres" army. The morale loss will be devastating, as I have long planned it to be.
Now's her time to shine. We can work on restructuring the command hierarchy after we're not in the middle of a war.
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>Daiyu, let us break the Yan's wills as they wish to break ours. She is a student of the Black general, and a child of the line they intend to return to power. The Twin dragons shall fly once again, at the head of the "ogres" army. The morale loss will be devastating, as I have long planned it to be.
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>>4656683
...know what?
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>>4656690
You know... that thing
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>>4656669
>>4656682
Right fuck it, I'm putting my vote into more legible form

>Daiyu, I want you to break the old fox's army, you will be leading the army under your name and direction. However I am also giving you Jinhai and Yin Lei as sub-commanders, tasked with granting you advise when you require it and executing your commands. The reason I do this is not because I do not think you are capable, but because I wish to see if this new system works, if three disparate command styles may meld into a single army and remove one of the weaknesses of a single leader, that being if they are indisposed the rest of the army breaks.

That's my vote.
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>>4656656
Support

>>4656669
If we go with the everyone option, I think there will be some people that will go with Daiyu. So she will more or less be a kind of general.

>>4656639
Actually scratch that. Voting for Daiyu. Anon was right, we can restructure the army til after the sust of war has settled. Whatever slight morale loss or weaker authority she possess wont be a bad as what her presence will inflict upon the enemy. She can have Jinhai and her mentor as advisors. Jinhai for his "unorthodox" perception and Yin Lei for his generalist veterancy.
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>>4656715
I really hope this goes how I expect it to go.

>Old Fox: "Aha, I recognise these tactics as Yin Lei's handiwork, now to employ cou- What the courts? This countermove is the work of Carpson, very well then move to conti- WHO THE HELL IS THIS ONE?!"

Probably not gonna react like that, but I hope that this is how things go.
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>>4656597
>>4656618
Panther is the way of the stalker
Carp is the way of the polearm dancer (pun intended)
Tiger is the way of non-lethal takedown, if we don't mess up teaching others like the beastkin about it.

We could add other animals representing doctrines. For example, the dragon for the steel dragon cannoneers and engineers.
The way of the bull for our future terminator teams, tanking hits with their face as their shield.
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>>4656639
>>4656656
Supporting the diverse structure. Yin Lei given overall command of the army to pick the place of battle and placement of divisions.
Jinhai commanding one division of gunners, and presumably Daiyu with another division like the sharpshooters.

What will happen with the rifle cavalry forces? Will Lai Song still have a role to play in cavalry hit and fade tactics during the battle? Vishnu chiefs like Aruna leading his people? I don't know if the Dai family have a role to play unless they want to be an elite defence covering the Vishnu berserkers?
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>>4656639
>Daiyu, let us break the Yan's wills as they wish to break ours. She is a student of the Black general, and a child of the line they intend to return to power. The Twin dragons shall fly once again, at the head of the "ogres" army. The morale loss will be devastating, as I have long planned it to be.
>Ensure that Daiyu is battle ready.
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>>4656752
I feel like asking Yin Lei in private to make sure she's ready is the more appropriate action. Nothing undermines your self-confidence like your demigod leader giving you command and then immediately going "But are you ready tho?" for the next week.
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>>4656639
>>4656708
Supporting this as well as ensuring that she is ready for it

But question, does this mean we wont make it back? Because in all honesty I think that this is the battle we should lead
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I think that one of the chapter's main trial of initialization will be the simple but difficult trial of pointing out the truth in face of everyone else. There will be other tests scattered out to keep it secret. It'll be a test of mental acuity disguised as a test of vision where people have to point out what straw is longer with the boy coming after other people who purposely pick the shorter straw.
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>>4656832
what

i don't get it anon, explain it in a retarded way
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>>4656839
YOU'VE FAILED MY SON.
Come to father son training camp, you must be taught.
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>>4656839
Weed out the brown nosers and sheep by making them think the right choice is the blatantly wrong choice because everyone else chose it. If 4 out of 5 think jumping off a roof is a good idea surely it's a good idea. Except the one guy that says there are stairs right there.
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>>4656850
no anon, what is the test, how is he supposed to tell the longer straw if the others already took it

there's only going to be 1 straw, hwo can he judge the longest if there's only 1
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>>4656795
We might not. depends on what side tracks us. My money is on needing to relocate the prisoners this general we are going to kill has already taken and convincing them that we are not a devil.

And we should really apologise to the generals, that we arent here leading them more often.
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>>4656883
Should be easy enough if we show our face and recite/explain the passages of the journey.
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>>4656639
>>Why, all of you. You all have your expertises, your habits and your preferred ways to wage and win wars. Seeking a single leader, is foolish, when an army can become as many yet remain as one. Do you not see it, my friend? the potential, of an army that cannot have its head severed lest every general within it meets his end?
We've switched up our tactics so many times during this war. but we haven't really done a conventional battle. If we meet them for such a thing in an unconventional way they wont know what to do.
It'll also let us know who is able to best work together and see where the big egos lie.

>>4656730
>Tiger is the way of non-lethal takedown, if we don't mess up teaching others like the beastkin about it.
I thought the Tiger style was designed to be lethal we just didn't deliver any lethal blows. We specifically used our fingers where they would use their claws.
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>>4656883
>And we should really apologise to the generals, that we arent here leading them more often.
merely allowing them to rise to their potential, someday even Lieren will die and Shangrala will once again be on its own.
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>>4656881
It's disguised as a vision test. You pick the longer straw by pointing at it. You don't have to draw it away from the possible choices.
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>>4656904
At least say that, because we haven't so far and frankly it's starting to look irresponsible.

We know it isnt, and we know that they at least recognise that our missions are important. But this is a system of military where your leader is dictator and represents you all, and we keep dodging battles, any other man would appear a coward if not in fear of death then fear of seeing what he had ordered done.
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>>4656904
Say this
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>>4656639
>>Why, all of you. You all have your expertises, your habits and your preferred ways to wage and win wars. Seeking a single leader, is foolish, when an army can become as many yet remain as one. Do you not see it, my friend? the potential, of an army that cannot have its head severed lest every general within it meets his end?
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>>4656680
I support this
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>>4656639
>Daiyu, let us break the Yan's wills as they wish to break ours. She is a student of the Black general, and a child of the line they intend to return to power. The Twin dragons shall fly once again, at the head of the "ogres" army. The morale loss will be devastating, as I have long planned it to be.

lets wait until we have radios before we implement modern army command structure. In a battlefield where communication is very suspect due to gunfire, modern commanding will be a challange if not down right dangerous to implement.
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>>4657284
Thats true, iit was very common for commander to retreat or overextend their soldier in large battles due to miscomunication, and adding multiples leaders only makes things more complicated. There is a reason even in modern warfare there is a very clear chain of command.
Also aren't our troops mostly fighting in napoleonic style warfare right now instead of modern squads and battalions?
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>>4656639
>>Why, all of you. You all have your expertises, your habits and your preferred ways to wage and win wars. Seeking a single leader, is foolish, when an army can become as many yet remain as one. Do you not see it, my friend? the potential, of an army that cannot have its head severed lest every general within it meets his end?

I finally caught up and read the quests. I finally get to cast my first vote. This would be devastating and in Lieren's wheelhouse. This is modern day warfare application. It would also boost morale, and in a way the rising tide lifts all rafts which is what would happen here. It may hurt us in the future but I think this would be at least key in solving a few problems.
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>>4657284
I hadn't thought about potential friendly fire. The risk of that is too much.
Changing >>4656652 to
>>Daiyu, let us break the Yan's wills as they wish to break ours. She is a student of the Black general, and a child of the line they intend to return to power. The Twin dragons shall fly once again, at the head of the "ogres" army. The morale loss will be devastating, as I have long planned it to be.
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>>4656896
>I thought the Tiger style was designed to be lethal we just didn't deliver any lethal blows. We specifically used our fingers where they would use their claws.
I think you're right, I was only remembering how we practiced it and assumed that that would be how it was taught.
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>>4656934
>>4656972
maybe we should add something like this before we run off.
"I might have incited this rebellion but it is you all, who have done the fighting, all the heavy lifting. As far as i'm concerned this is your rebellion, and the historical scrolls shall record it as such, I'll make sure of it."
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Praying to the Omnissiah for you, Malal.
May he placate your device's unruly machine spirit once and for all.
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>Malal having PC troubles
>Techpriest: "Have you tried singing the Hymns of Activation and Deactivation?"
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>Why, all of you. You all have your expertises, your habits and your preferred ways to wage and win wars. Seeking a single leader, is foolish, when an army can become as many yet remain as one. Do you not see it, my friend? the potential, of an army that cannot have its head severed lest every general within it meets his end?
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>>4658013
But what if Malal's pc has a daemon engine instead of a machine spirit?
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>>4658799
Daemon engines aren't chaotic machine spirits, they're warp-tainted war machines. If Malal's pc is one of them, we never stood a chance.
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>>4658815
I meant to say that his pc was a daemon engine but I fucked up the sentence structure.
Well, he is a chaos god, can't be that hard to get a smaller daemon in a box right?
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>>4658858
"God" is entirely a case of how much of the warp pie you get. the 4 are just the biggest, but some of their greater daemons, like Bel'koth can rival other lesser "deities"
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what do you guys think our meeting with Corvus and Magnus will be like?

What will be our plans for subjugated, defeated, or willingly surrendering aliens species?

If we have a good enough rep with subjugated Xenos species, should we for a section of the Imperial Guard for aliens, with maybe bomb collars like penal regiments?
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>>4658882
Lieren is a pretty merciful guy to those that don’t offend his morals. I expect it to depend on the Xenos in general like Exodites he would try to get their advice on Warp stuff, peaceful xenos like Jokaero would be left alone unless they contribute to our goal, violent xenos are likely getting oppressed or weaponized if not genocided.
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All things considered, when do you guys think we'll encounter another Psyker or Sorcerer? Would they be young, middle aged, or old? Would Lieren be able to recognize them or not?
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>>4659347
We had a PoV shift to a very low-level psyker a thread or two ago. The extent of his power was pretty much just spider-sense. He died right after though, our forces ambushed his army. I have a suspicion that if Malal isn't rolling dice for random encounters behind the scenes, we'll meet one either when we take the fight to Yan or go to the Vishnu homeland. The latter give me techno-barbarian vibes, I think they might field battle-witches or something against us like were mentioned in Horus Rising.
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>>4659359
I hope we get to meet one so we can make them an apprentice so they can control their innate powers. This way they'll be strong enough to donkey punch demons when we can't do it conventionally.
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>>4659366
I think it was the first thread where we had the option to investigate the ruins of Guhozi's monastery, and between his insistence that he's lived a thousand lives and the fact his order were violently purged, I have a suspicion that they were a psychic order. Hope the option to check that place out pops up again. Maybe we'll find a reincarnation of one of his friends?
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>>4659378
Their reincarnations could linger in near by villages. It's something to add onto the list of many other things we need to do once we overthrow the Yan.
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>>4659382
Yeah, you aren't kidding. Out post-war to do list is huge and always seems to get bigger, I'll try to type it out later just so we have it in front of us. Kinda wish we were the primarch with a twin, being in two places at once would be handy. Speaking of, has anyone read the new Alpharius novel? Shit's wild, I'm not sure how I feel about it.
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>>4659386
yes please do that. we need a list to add all our shit.
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Lieren's To-Do List, greentexted for your collective pleasure and in no particular order
>Win the war against Yan, assume direct control
>Pick a family name to add an air of legitimacy to our rule?
>Invent electricity and start a green industrial revolution
>Keep an eye on the Tzeentch cave
>Continue to teach our 200-odd nieces and nephews
>Talk to, explore the rest of, repair, dig out, and form a deep romantic connection with Kanzeon
>Check out Guozhi's monastery
>Be on the lookout for more Secrets of Shangrala
>Hang out with Weynan
>Sit the Vishnu chieftanesses down for a chat about how we're flattered, but not interested/would rip them in half
>FIND THE FUCKING RUYI JINGU BANG I KNOW IT'S SOMEWHERE MALAL GOD DAMMIT
>Think up ways to expand the Journey
>Mourn Small Chen properly
>Go through Primarch puberty
>Pick up a hobby or three
>Adopt a pet
>Bond deeper with our friends and allies, see if they need/want us to do anything
>Learn more about the lands beyond Yan
>with prosperity and benevolence for all
Doubtless I missed some, feel free to add them to the list.
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>>4659400
>Mourn Small Chen properly
He's getting a national holiday in his honor.
>Adopt a pet
Our massive horse is technically a pet.
Also you forgot
>Standardize education across Yan
>Fortify the borders of Yan
>Complete the great road linking all of Yan
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>>4659406
>Our massive horse is technically a pet.
Our massive horse is a mean bastard who would bite our fingers off if we weren't a primarch. I love him, but was thinking something more like a cat or a bird. Everything else looks good though, I did forget about the more administrative things.
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>>4659408
A pet panther
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>>4659410
Cramping Leman's style ever-so-slightly.
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>>4659400
Problems I see:
>Pick a family name to add an air of legitimacy to our rule?
To rule is not Lieren's function, he is a General and living weapon, not a ruler. Not only would this give us brownie points with Emps and Malcador, but there's also the fact that many people can make a good enouh ruler, and that's all you really need for the state to go smooth. Jinhai could actually make one, if not the best human ruler in most of the history of the galaxy, matching or surpassing even Macharius, and acting like an advisor would leave us free time to train, improve tech and overall do things only we can do, which is the most efficient and effective path.
>FIND THE FUCKING RUYI JINGU BANG I KNOW IT'S SOMEWHERE MALAL GOD DAMMIT
Yes, we must find the Shangralan version of the Monkey King's GUANDAO
>Go through Primarch puberty
Oh god, I forgot we still aren' a grown up. If I remember properly, primarchs in a relatively peaceful environment grow a little bit slower (and better due to their bodies going at their own rithm), so we still have, what 6-7 years until we reach 14-15 yrs old? That's when Primarchs stop growing if I remember correctly. Lieren is going to be a friggin beast if I'm right.

Also, I would add
> Explore the ability to wield spiritual powers and if you posses such a thing (if we meet more sorcerers, we could wonder, "fuck, can I do that better, faster, stronger thing with magic?")
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>>4659408
>>4659410
>We get a fish pet.
>Call it Jinhai
>Laugh for days at our pupil's embarrassed blush of combined pride/annoyance/plain embarrasment
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>>4659414
> Yes, we must find the Shangralan version of the Monkey King's GUANDAO
Nope. Staff.
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>>4659417
Kek, sure, what about pic related for a staff
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>>4659414
>To rule is not Lieren's function
Guilliman, Fulgrim, Russ, Lion, Horus, Dorn, Ferrus, Magnus, Sanguinius, Kurze, Corax, Lorgar, and Jaghatai all came to rule their homeworlds, not sure what you're on about. I doubt something fierce that we're in the same minority as Mortarion, Angron, Vulkan, and Perturabo.
>Yes, we must find the Shangralan version of the Monkey King's GUANDAO
Monkey King didn't have a guandao.
>puberty
Primarchs age really inconsistently, we're like 8 and seem a young man, albeit a giant whereas someone like the Lion aged naturally. I think it'd be funny if we woke up one day and were a foot taller and had like 100 more pounds of muscle.
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I expect as things get later down the line we'll have time skips and a few minor events so we can actually get to 30k proper (I am loving this era though because it builds characters and so on)
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>>4659419
No?
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>>4659420
>and had like 100 more pounds of muscle
Make that like 300 as far as Primarch size and muscle density is concerned.
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>>4659424
I love it too, it makes me wonder how our friends will react to our golden god of a deadbeat dad descending from the sky and claiming us as his son. And how we all will react to the Imperium. Dandan will go into a coma when she sees an ordinatus engine fire, but that's the only prediction I'm comfortable with making. Hell, I'm nervous for how Lieren will react to Emps and the Imperium. He's a tyrant by our definition and the Imperium is an awful place to live compared to our portion of Yan.
>>4659427
Yeah, I kinda lowballed that, didn't I?
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>>4659400
>Win the war against Yan, assume direct control
Of course.
>Pick a family name to add an air of legitimacy to our rule?
Our rule would be already indiscussed. But a family name could be nice. Lieren Starborn maybe.
>Invent electricity and start a green industrial revolution
>Keep an eye on the Tzeentch cave
We could attempt to purge the presence instead. Reading the Journey had an effect.
>FIND THE FUCKING RUYI JINGU BANG I KNOW IT'S SOMEWHERE MALAL GOD DAMMIT
It s don t think is necessary. But if there are archeotech weaponry around it wouldn t be bad to have one.
>Mourn Small Chen properly
A proper tomb can be made.
>Adopt a pet
We could take over a nest of Panthers.
>Learn more about the lands beyond Yan
That can be done by sending diplomats, explorers and spies.


For anything else, first and foremost :
- Implementing our reforms and works on a wide scale across Yang.
- A new form of government maybe
- A new law system
- Education should be done both with making schools and academies, as well public libraries.
- Restore the monks order
- Invest time for create laboratories and thinkers/scientists. This should help us with spreading and creating tech.
- Hunt down bandits, criminals and dangerous beasts.
- Invest in a health system, hospitals and better medics would be a great boon.
- Transform villages militia/citys guards in police forces.
- Trains

Then a military reform for a new model army/navy when we feel like we have enough technology.
And in the mountain near Kazeon we should make a comms tower for talk with it even when we aren t there. Making a laboratory there can be a good idea too.
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>>4659420
>Guilliman, Fulgrim, Russ, Lion, Horus, Dorn, Ferrus, Magnus, Sanguinius, Kurze, Corax, Lorgar, and Jaghatai all came to rule their homeworlds, not sure what you're on about. I doubt something fierce that we're in the same minority as Mortarion, Angron, Vulkan, and Perturabo.
Vulkan is one of the greatest primarchs, we don't talk abut Perty, and unlike Angron and Mortarion, we'll conquer our world and then we can say "I will show you that all I did was not to hoard glory, wealth, or power, I will show you that this war was not for me to rise as the new ruler of Shangrala, but to ensure the prosperity of all the people on this world", that way, when we inevitably have to act as a ruler and general during the Great Crusade, no one will say that we just wanted power. Acting as an advisor when needed, we get all the benefits of being a ruler (Making Shangrala Great Again), while retaining our free time to actually help with tech, philosophy or anything else (because chinese rulers, despite being absolute sovereigns, were extremely bound by face, tradition, etc, sages and hermit monks had little to no bindings in that regard)
>Monkey King didn't have a guandao.
But anon, Lieren is the Monky king of Shangrala and his weapon of choice is the Gundao.
>Primarchs age really inconsistently, we're like 8 and seem a young man, albeit a giant whereas someone like the Lion aged naturally. I think it'd be funny if we woke up one day and were a foot taller and had like 100 more pounds of muscle.

>Lieren: [Wakes up as an even bigger giant, with a beard and long hair in a style that look like a mix of an oriental sage, the monkey king, a xianxia MC and a fog panther's mane]
>Weynan: Lieren, you are finally a man!!! Now you can find a wife and give me lots of grandchildren.
[Vishnu amazon sounds in the distance]
Lieren: WHY FATHER, WHYYYYY?!?!!!
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>>4659450
>leaving the ship under the mountain.
The fuck is wrong with you? We should dig it up after this war is over.
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>>4659450
>But a family name could be nice
Obviously we'll take our adoptive father's surname. It's only fitting that his lineage live on in history as one of greatness.
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>>4659453
> But anon, Lieren is the Monky king of Shangrala and his weapon of choice is the Gundao
I like the staff and think it’s more fun. The arguments against multiple weapons is stupid though.
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Alright, calling the vote now. Sorry for the wait. Machine spirit wasn't willing to negotiate

Why all of you: 6
Daiyu:10

So, Lieren will state, if he does not return in time to lead the next battle, Daiyu is to lead in his stead

Writing now


>>4658013
>>4658094
Honestly thinking of burning sage near my router and PC on the off chance it'll do something, just need to find some adeptus mechanicus hymns and shit

>>4658799
>>4658815
I wish it was a daemon engine, so there'd be a reason for its apparent malice, despite being an inanimate object

>>4659400
Nice work on that list

>>4659450
Also a nice list, though it'd be Starborn Lieren, unless Lieren decides to rename himself starborn and take Lieren as his family name.

>>4659406
>>4659408
Not-Red Hare is a good boy, even if he has a lust for blood that rivals his former owner's

>>4657336
Hey, glad you're here to make it friend

>>4659453
Now that's a funny mental image
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>>4659453
>ruling
The best rulers are the ones who don't want to, we're gonna be in this role for a while as a result. Doesn't matter how much we want to be an administrator.
>Lieren is the Monky king of Shangrala and his weapon of choice is the Gundao
Choices change, Anon. I dunno about you, but I'd be enraptured by the sheer versatility of a replicating, size-changing bo staff if I were to find one buried somewhere. >>4659459 is right though, Horus, Fulgrim, Vulkan, and Robute all had multiple weapons they swapped out whenever.

>>4659456
Does Weynan have a surname? I've only heard him called Weynan.

>>4659460
HE LIVES, PRAISE BE
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>>4659455
I didn t say to leave it though. I said
"And in the mountain near Kazeon we should make a comms tower for talk with it even when we aren t there. Making a laboratory there can be a good idea too."

We can dig it up later, but we wouldn t have the means immediatly after the end of the Yang war. So a comms tower and a laboratory near the mountain would help both of us, until we have the means of digging the ship out.
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What we should do is turn the area above the ship into the capital of the newly reforged Yan kingdom. Really show just how much change we can bring by making the bone devouring forest into a center of knowledge and trade.
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>>4659456
>>4659450
>>4659460
Tianzhang was agreed upon so we’d be the “Heavenly Hunter”
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>>4659465
> We can dig it up later, but we wouldn t have the means immediatly after the end of the Yang war.
The ship has a manufactorum built into it. You’d have to be stupid to not understand what that means.
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>>4659466
>And then, Lieren, father of benevolence, forged a new capital in the heart of the bone devouring forest
>When his wisdom was question, he responded by claiming it was a symbolic action, to "flex" on those skeptical of his ability to bring prosperity to any location
>Many scholars still to this day debate the meaning of these words
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>>4659467
Mentioned, but never agreed upon.
If it had been, we'd be called Tianzhang Lieren, but we're just called Lieren. Not that I'm against it, necessarily, I do wonder if Imperials will mistake whatever we decide on for our first name. They have a poor track record with languages from planets based in Asia, they named the White Scars the White Scars because of a mistranslation.
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>>4659473
They will see all our sons calling us Lieren and will also realize that Lieren is shorter and easier to pronounce. Do not underestimate human laziness and peer pressure
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>>4659467
It was never agreed upon, it was just the best option and continues to be (sorry starborn, but we know we have to stop when anime overpowers the realistic W40k feel of the quest)
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>>4659468
Even so the ship as extensive damage and it s under a large mountain.
i still want to dig out the ship, but even if we start digging it out as soon as we can there is still other stuff to do, not to mention those crystals or possible dangerous substances that could leak out of the ship. Having a comms tower out of the mountain woud mean having Kazeon updated on what we are doing and knowing anything it needs for the ship (plus receiving is aid on anything we need). Which is very useful, since i believe we aren t going to remain there digging all the time. And also for when we aren t near the mountain, for example when we are in another part of the world.
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>>4659484
>Even so the ship as extensive damage and it s under a large mountain
The ship is self-repairing DOAT tech and might be able to produce DOAT excavation devices.
> i still want to dig out the ship, but even if we start digging it out as soon as we can there is still other stuff to do
Ship makes other stuff easier.
> not to mention those crystals or possible dangerous substances that could leak out of the ship
Which said ship might have a solution for.
> Which is very useful, since i believe we aren t going to remain there digging all the time.
Never said we would. I want to reduce excavation time to one year at the very most.
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>>4659489
And if it has none of those things to make excavation easier?

Not to mention that it isn't a priority when compared to getting an actual infrastructure for the Kingdom of Yan up and running.
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>>4659493
> Not to mention that it isn't a priority when compared to getting an actual infrastructure for the Kingdom of Yan up and running.
You really trying to say a functioning manufactorum or an AI from the DOAT wouldn’t help with that?
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>>4659498
I'm saying, not trying to, that digging it out is not a requirement for using such facilities, nor is focusing on that ship to the detriment of our people a good thing.

Make the road, teach them to farms, reorganise the army at the very least so that when vishnu mc slavery fuck decides to try it on while we are fucking about in a workshop or under a mountain our people are defended.

Because no, making the road doesnt require a manufactorum, nor would Kaz help much beyond doing as we did and plotting out where it exists. Stop looking 20 years ahead and focus on the next month to lay the foundations.
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>>4659506
You know what? We’re both making assumption. Let’s just wait and see since neither of us actually know the full situation.
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>>4659516
We'll see how the votes go.
But as it is, the priorities I have outlined are the ones I would champion beyond all else.
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>>4659466
>>4659472
A new capital there is a cool idea the surroundings for this new city would be ideal farmlands, so the settlement would be feed easily and water is abundant. We should do it when we manage to put the ship outside, just for be safe.
Plus Kazeon can be connected to it.
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>>4659527
I don't like the close proximity to the unseen master.

Feels like one of those "built on ancient indian burial mounds" kinda deals
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No it is still to early to introduce such a vast, sweeping change to the very method war is waged. Firearms may have changed its face, but war still remains as the same beast beneath its new fangs and claws. To change the rules of a game in the middle of play, would be foolish, and to do so to war, would be catastrophic if a single misstep was made in the process. To restructure the traditional structure of command, would better be done when the war has been won and come to an end. Otherwise, the pains of transitioning from one method to another, could threaten to become a crippling weakness. One Yan Zihao could easily exploit.

Even with the many advantages your forces hold, a genius can win any conflict no matter the tools at hand. However, the tools for are the lives of men. Men who do not share the same mind, heart or spirit. Yan Zihao is a genius, a master of the art of war. But his army is not. They are simple men, scared and fighting for their homes and kin. Fighting against a usurping monster that came stomping from some distance woodland. Fighting for survival against a monsterous enemy, a barbaric horde.

Fighting to bring the noble twin dragons back to power, and revert the damages done by the devilish ogre.

A smile creeps over your lips. At last it would seem, the time has come to play the card you have kept hidden away in your sleeve and deploy the most devastating weapon within your arsenal. To remove the mask as it were and shatter the backbone of the Yan's army, what little morale remains, to cruelly shatter hope and destroy the lies that began this war.

"If, I am unable to keep my word and join the battle against that clever old fox as I at last take my own banner in hand and valiantly lead from the vanguard myself to end that aging legend's tale" You say to Dai Niu, and all of the generals who had no doubt thought the very same question but did not have the courage to speak it.

You pause, allowing your words time to settle and sink into the minds of the generals gathered before you. Pressing the tips of your fingers together, you press them together tightly, before relaxing the muscles in your hands to gentle press your palms together as well.

"Then, the one to lead in my stead, shall be the student of Yin Lei" You say, as many of his students and aids lift their chins and allow signs of pride to soak into their expressions, even Daiyu raises her head the moment your words reach her ears "One who has been personally trained by one of our own legends, a prospective heir to the title of "King of War". I speak of course of"

You tilt your head by a few degrees, smiling warmly as a father may as he tell his son he has become a fine man.

"Gao Daiyu herself, the very spawn of the worm who began this conflict with his wicked heart and vile ways" You say, flashing a predatory grin as silence falls. Daiyu's eyes widen, shining like the black jade that she takes her given name from.
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>>4659536

Tears are forming within them, and soon, two solitary drops grace the woman's refined and unmarred features.

Dai Niu closes his eyes and bows his head.

"I see, I see" He says, pulling his hand down the length of his thin beard "The banner of the twin dragons shall fly once more, honor and glory regained. A strange choice, but I have learned that one such as I am blind to your wisdom"

It is obvious, many of her fellow students and peers, are unhappy with your choice. However, your four kings of war accept it wholeheartedly, so complete is their trust in your judgement.

"Lord Lieren" One of them at last says, after several long moments of utter silence, remaining in his seat, his hands upon his knees and his head bowed "I would be the first to admit, I could never reach the heights of your wisdom or hone my wit to match the razor edge of your own. But I will also be the first, to question your decision. Daiyu is"

His words halt as you turn your gaze onto him and narrow your eyes. But your expression reminds kindly and gentle as always.

"Untested in regards to her own capabilities as a leader, she has yet to undertake the responsibilities of waging a battle as a leading general in her own right" He says after he manages to find his tongue and bravery once more "And while she may be a fellow student of the Black General, our army's own living Legend, but she is"

"What?" You question simply, the temperature of the room lowering by a few degrees as your wounds cut through the tension like a recently sharpened knife through hide.

The young man begins to sweat, and tightens his grip, thus digging his nails into the fabric of his robes. Small red dots begin to appear from beneath his fingers, as the flesh beneath is stabbed into.

"A woman" He says quietly, still, you keep your composure "I mean no offense, but, by tradition and the values of our society, would the men truly suspect a leader who is not a man?"

You laugh, throwing your head back, your iron mane of hair falling onto your shoulders and your back as you give you unspoken response to such a foolish belief.

"Haaaah, my dear friend, if you believe a woman cannot flourish and blossom beautifully in the theater of warfare, than I would suggest speaking with Kamakshi or Akanksha, or even Dandan, who has earned the moniker of "Firestorm" You say simply yet harshly

"That is...they are not...it is an entirely different. A Vishnu woman is different than a Yan woman" He sputters, struggling to find the right words for the meaning he wishes to infer to you with them.

"Are they truly? Dandan is also a Yan woman, also from a line of disposed nobles, yet I would say she has above all other thrived in this conflict. And if you say a Woman cannot be a fighter, as generals are expected to be" You continue on, lecturing the misguided man as he slouches his body, tightly clenching his jaw as sweat drips from his chin
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>>4659538

"While the bodies of woman may be weaker by nature, Daiyu is one of the few to have raised a spear to me and lived, and our weapons do not require any particular prowess to wield. Though I would agree on a single observation you've made. In that, the Vishnu are of a different stock to us Yan, and thus, their woman could easily overpower you in a test of strength or prowess. If you wish to argue that truth, I would again, as you to test yourself against either of these two warrioress, bred by the brutal conditions of the Bone Devouring Forest"

"I...I understand, Lord Lieren, it was foolish of me to question your judgement. I merely wished to make it apparent, that morale may falter among our forces, if they know they are being led by a woman" The man says meekly, looking like he had just been victim to the harshest of tortures "that is all I wished to make apparent"

"That may be true, but many of the men in our army, follow the Journey I myself walk" You say kindly, turning your back to the man, raising a single open hand into the air as you do so "And thus, would not be blinded by the illusion of tradition, but to ease the worries of those who make their own way, I would personally advise Gao Daiyu"

You turn your golden eyes to rest them upon the young woman herself, who is overcome with emotion, tears staining her cheeks which are flushed red, as she tries to maintain her composure and pride.

"That if I do not return, and the responsibility of leading the battle against Yan Zihao falls upon her shoulders, that she take on Her own teach, the venerated Yin Lei, and my brother in all but blood, the humble Jinhai" You say happily "And that she should raise her head high, and stand tall as a general should"

"I...I will not fail you, or your trust. Lieren" Daiyu manages to say, her voice as fraught with emotion as her expression "I will not squander this honor nor the chance to salvage the name of my family, I will succeed if I am called to lead such honorable and virtuous men to war, or I shall join them in their graves. I swear this to you, on my mother's legacy and name, on my own reputation and face"

A solemn oath to make, but you can see the fire glowing within Daiyu's eyes. Like her spirit, her words are unbreakable. She will, if she must, win the battle or die trying. Hopefully, such a crossroads will not come in the way of her road of life.

"I trust your words completely, and know you would not falter in upholding your duty. Yin Lei! Train your student, in preparation for the chance that she must command our men in my stead. But I shall do all in my power to return and not force such a grave responsibility onto another!" You say solemnly but commandingly, your voice booming through the stone halls of Mao castle "I must take my leave now, to speak with one of the prisoners taken in battle"
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>>4659539

Clasping your hands together, you bow, and leave the war room entirely, and begin to march to find the room Kang Yongrui had been taken to.

How shall you greet, the crippled heir of Lions, Lieren?
>Silently walk into the room and sit down, allowing him to release all of his fury and rage against you
>With a tray of fresh fruit and Dragon's spit Liquor, gently apologizing that you had to meet him as a foe rather than a friend. and introducing yourself
>By relaying to him how close of a friend Small Chen was to you, and the respect you held for him.
>Simply show him the reports written by the leaders of the scout forces, and ask if these are the actions of the master's he would serve
>write in
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>>4659542
>Silently walk into the room and sit down, allowing him to release all of his fury and rage against you
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>>4659542
>With a tray of fresh fruit and Dragon's spit Liquor, gently apologizing that you had to meet him as a foe rather than a friend. and introducing yourself
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>>4659542
>Silently walk into the room and sit down, allowing him to release all of his fury and rage against you
>Simply show him the reports written by the leaders of the scout forces, and ask if these are the actions of the master's he would serve
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>>4659542
>Silently enter and let him vent
>Then explain how close Shen was to us, before introducing ourselves

If we let him get all his bile and his rage out, he should be exhausted by the end of it at which point we can tell Kang about the man he murdered. From there, a proper conversation can begin with each of us understanding the other and more importantly we can discern when and where his rage comes from, a place of virtue or a place of selfish anger at his captivity.
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>>4659542
>Silently walk into the room and sit down, allowing him to release all of his fury and rage against you
>Simply show him the reports written by the leaders of the scout forces, and ask if these are the actions of the master's he would serve
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>>4659542
>>With a tray of fresh fruit and Dragon's spit Liquor, gently apologizing that you had to meet him as a foe rather than a friend. and introducing yourself
Sporting chance. If he pokes the bear, then he'll get the angry eyes.
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>>4659542
>Silently walk into the room and sit down, allowing him to release all of his fury and rage against you
>Simply show him the reports written by the leaders of the scout forces, and ask if these are the actions of the masters he would serve
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>>4659542
>>Silently walk into the room and sit down, allowing him to release all of his fury and rage against you
>>By relaying to him how close of a friend Small Chen was to you, and the respect you held for him.
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It is said the Emperor appeared before his lost son Lieren in the guise of an old wise man entering the Palace Monastery in the dead of night finding his child in meditation under an ancient tree among a pack of Mist Panthers.

Serenely the wayward son asked whom had come so late that the moon was at it's peak and the heavens were presenting their glories, he offered the stranger drink and shelter without even looking upon him. But when the Emperor declined and sat down in front of his child only then did the over thrower of Tyrants open his eyes and look upon the figure before him; the Night where gold met gold.

Yet Lieren was not overwhelmed with emotion nor exultation for his Star travelled sire instead he would take a measure of him as the two did battle not with steel but with words which truth be told were just as sharp.

For three days and three nights they spoke wandering the gardens and mountains following the Great Road until finally they stopped where it all began; Nowhere. Lieren paid homage to the man whom had raised him and after a final debate consented to go with his maker into the heavens.
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>>4659542
I think we should also tell him our story, the whole story.
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>>4659460
>Not-Red Hare
So Cui Fu was Lu Bu? His death is even more of a tragedy then.
>>4659542
>With a tray of fresh fruit and Dragon's spit Liquor, gently apologizing that you had to meet him as a foe rather than a friend. and introducing yourself
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>>4659555
Backing this
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>>4659542
>With a tray of fresh fruit and Dragon's spit Liquor, gently apologizing that you had to meet him as a foe rather than a friend. and introducing yourself
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>>4659542
>>Silently walk into the room and sit down, allowing him to release all of his fury and rage against you
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>>4659478
Yeah, Malal said he really liked it and might just use it when we get to the point where we would adopt a surname.

Nothings set in stone, but i'm still a bug fan of the name Tianshang Lieren
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>>4660293
Sounds a bit off-brand for us now, I quite like the idea of taking our fathers last name instead so that his lineage can continue on.
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>>4659542
>Silently walk into the room and sit down, allowing him to release all of his fury and rage against you
>By relaying to him how close of a friend Small Chen was to you, and the respect you held for him.

>[write-in] A mixture of these two. Tell Kang of Small Chen, who he took from us, and ask him of his relatives, who we took from him.
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>>4659542
Supporting this post:
>>4660502
It seems the humane way to lament our lost, ask for a story of his family so that we can have a measure of their memory. If young Kang is willing, then we will share our tale.
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>>4659542
>>Silently walk into the room and sit down, allowing him to release all of his fury and rage against you
>>By relaying to him how close of a friend Small Chen was to you, and the respect you held for him.
>>[write-in] A mixture of these two. Tell Kang of Small Chen, who he took from us, and ask him of his relatives, who we took from him.
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>>4659539
>>>/tg/77635575
Praise be the emperor Malal
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>>4659542
Start a GoFundMe, boss.
I'm sure we'd all be able to chip in for a computer that doesn't doesn't need favorable wind conditions to function.
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Alright calling the vote now.

Silently walk in, and bare the lion's fury:11
Bring Kang Yongrui a plate of fruit and drinks, and apologize you had to meet him as a foe rather than friend:4
Simply show the heir of the Kang the reports written by the leaders of the scout forces, and ask if these are the leaders he would serve:4
Explain how close Chen was to you:5
Tell him your story, your whole story:1
ask of Yongrui of his relatives:3

Total votes 16

So Lieren will allow Kang Yongrui to unleash all of his fury and rage against him, calmly accepting his spite in silence

Writing now

>>4659629
Except Cui Fu was extremely loyal to his master, rather than the still reigning champ of backstabbing

>>4661465
I mean I appreciate the offer, but I wouldn't do that. It'd feel wrong
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>>4661613
>So Lieren will allow Kang Yongrui to unleash all of his fury and rage against him, calmly accepting his spite in silence
https://youtu.be/VlhFCeM4e10
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It is the former dwelling of Mao Bolin himself, cleaned of its decoration and cleansed of its opulence, though the stench of the drugged smoke the last lord of the boars imbibed to calm his nerves and poison both his body and mind, still clung to its walls and the carpets that remained upon its floors.

Two guards, stand on either side of the door. Red faced Wei and Xin. Two of Small Chen's closest friends, despite their difference in disposition. Many would call their assignment sheer foolishness, a folly sure to result in the unfortunate death of the man they guard. But, Wei and Xin, are also count you as a dear friend and admire you as their indomitable leader and patient teacher. Even with the grudge growing within the darkest corners of their hearts, you knew they would never act upon their darker emotions and desires.

For they could not bear to lose another friend, so soon after the first to be lost ot them.

"Red face, Xin" You say solemnly, Xin's usually energetic eyes tired and filled with the gloom of internal strife "You are dismissed from your duty, I must commend your resolve in the face of such temptation"

"If you kill him, tell me how he dies" Red Faced Wei said with a tired smile "If he lives, let me take a few of his teeth, brother Lieren"

"So violent, has the fire in your beard finally crept into your mind?" Xin says, pursing his lips as a monkey may as it hollers and hoots thoughtlessly "You need some rest my friend"

"Tch, don't act as though you're so pure, howler monkey" Wei replies as he yawns "I was of course, jocking, when I said what I said"

"I know, I simply do not see the point in cutting the life of a harmless joke short" You say gently, patting the man upon his shoulder just as gingerly "And Xin is right, you have not been sleeping much of late, rest your body and soul, Wei"

Wei grunts and nods, as Xin hops behind him, shooting a single glance back to the door he had been stationed before for several hours.

"Take care, big brother, the lion may have lost his fangs, but his roar is still quite ferocious" Xin says, bouncing from foot to foot as he waited for his exhausted comrade to make it to his side once again, who then proceeds to walk into him, half asleep already. Wei has perhaps, suffered the most of all who knew Small chen.

"I have endured far more potent venom, than any that a Lion can produce" You say bluntly, waving the two away as Xin stumbles and curses as Red face nearly barrels him over, stubbornly walking forward despite the obstacle his friend presents to his way "Worry not, my friend"

And with that, you push the ornate doors before you open, and crouch under the doorway to enter the room that once housed the last lord of the Mao.

And before you, is a sorrowful sight. A tragic one. One that fills you heart with pain and grief burning as if freshly inflicted.
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>>4661783

Kang Yongrui. The proud heir and general of the silver lions of Kang, reduced to a shadow of his former glory. His muscles have atrophied and faded away, for the wounds he has suffered and survived that have rendered him so crippled. He sits, withered and twisted, in a simple chair carved of low quality wood, roughly hewed and held together by nails two inches too long for their purpose.

His legs shake and twitch, damaged muscle fibers struggling to act as the broken man raises his head. A dry wheeze climbs out of his throat, struggling past his lips as his bright eyes narrow to glare at you as you enter. The one part of him that has not declined and faded. The defeated general's chest raises, trembling with every struggled breath he takes. Four of his fingers, are bruised and set in splints, the bones within shattered to dust.

His nose, is bent, hastily set back into place after it had been broken. His bare legs, uncovered by the simple fur robes he had been dressed in, bare the scars of rifle fire.

How pale he is, like a corpse left in a stream.

General Yongrui's next breath, leaves his throat as a growl.

You pull the doors shut behind you, never once taking your eyes off your captured foe as you do so. He shifts in his chair, his legs stiffen, and his hand with the fewest broken digits shoots to his side to tightly grip a simple walking stick, carved from worn wheel spoke.

What anger burns within his eyes, so potent and focused. Like a cutting edge, like falling thunder. That fury and the life still struggling within his eyes proves to you that while Kang Yongrui may have lost his army, and has been condemned to live within a broken and crippled body, he has not been defeated.

Had the spoke he uses to support his ruined legs been sharpened, you have no doubt his first action upon seeing you would be to hurl it with what little might remains within his macilent arms. Like the lion of his banner, he has not been tamed.

Pushing himself to stand, his legs quake and struggle to hold up his weight. His third breath, becomes a snarl of righteous fury and long cultivated spite.

"The Ogre" He speaks at last, managing to step forward, leaning upon his ramshackle cane for support, pain clearly wracking his legs as he forces them to stand on their own power, a feat he has not accomplished since his capture.

His long hair, streaked grey from the stress his body has endured and the shock that has stricken his heart and mind, flows down his shoulders and hides his face. Now he appears like a vengeful, murdered soul, seeking to avenge himself upon those who slew him.

Kang Yongrui tries to laugh, but merely wheezes and coughs, before clenching his jaw and recomposing himself, standing tall as he grimaces and snarls, hiding his agony beneath a mask of undilitude rage.
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>>4661787

"You're as awful as the stories say you are. Bloated with muscle, and stretched to inhuman proportions. Where are your horns beast? where are your fangs?" He taunts, sneering as his body twitches, his eyes becoming alight with a new pang of torture as his muscles freeze against his will

"Is this sorcery I see? or have you pulled them out to try and fool me"

You say nothing, wincing as Chen's killer drags himself nearer to you, barely raising his feet from the floor. A storm begins to settle in your mind, conflicting feelings of empathy and lingering waves of hatred washing against each other. Each feeling wars for supremacy of your heart, but you remain silent and still yet.

"Or are you merely an overgrown peasant, with a natural inclination for treachery and lies? Ogre, I am curious, what has taken you so long, to bring me to my "Judgement"? I know how many have met their ends upon the rope you hang, I know how many you've crushed the lives of, or slaughtered because they merely stood in the way of your ambitions" He hisses, slouching to keep standing as the distance between you is lessened to a mere three steps "So what has delayed my execution? Have you dreamt cruel dreams, woven new and painful torments from the shadows of your minds? Have you only now found a fitting "punishment" for me, Kang Yongrui the Betrayed?"

You do not reply, he looks into your eyes, and does not turn away. You expected as much, from a man as valorous and proud as the heir of the Kang.

"I killed one of your pets, after all, that's what you surround yourself with isn't it? Mere pets and tools. For what else could you call those traitors, who allow you to so freely maneuver and command their lives!" He screams, his voice cracking as pain seeps from his words, his eyes widening, the torments of his ruined body merely fueling his rage and bravery "Who roll over and offer not only all they own, but all they are to appease and please you! You may look a man, but your heart is as black as the Ogre you are called, beast"

You remain unmoving, wearing an emotionless mask as you observe the infuriated lion struggling to stand before you, but only by the limitations of his body. Were he whole, his hands would be wrapped around your throat, struggling to squeeze the life from you.

"Benevolence! Nobility!! VIRTUE!!!" He roars, the twinges and groans of agony leaving his voice as righteous fury takes their place "How the fools you've blinded with honeyed words and sweet manner preach these lies in your place, Ogre, how they believe one as treacherous as you can ever dream to uphold such admirable qualities. I know your type, all you are is a thug, a lurker of shadows and murk, unfairly blessed with the strength to topple mountains and the acuity to trick the gods themselves"

You do nothing, as Kang Yongrui grips his crude walking stick so tightly, his nails burrow into its surface. He lifts it, and remains standing.
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>>4661791

Slamming his other, shaking hand over the other, he slams the piece of wood in front of him, as an actor playing a warrior may with a mock sword.

"How untouchable you stand, a villain with all the blessings of the heavens!" He laughs, throwing his head back, his hair falling away from his face and exposing the red scars and bruises that still mare his once handsome features

"How confident and sure you stride, unafraid of the men you squash as mere insects. Men of noble birth, and of great talent, crushed and made into food for the crows. For, who could ever hope to stand against you? Cui Fu, the greatest warrior Yan has ever known, he was the first to see you for what you are, and what happened to that man whose family had long strove to attain divine strength and unmatched prowess?"

He ventures another step closer, shaking his head and hiding his expression with his hair once again.

"He was beaten, with the same ease a grown man would a child, by an aberration who had never trained a day in his life with blade or spear. The Sparrow's respite , unbreakable by all the armies of the Vishnu and the heaven's wrath itself, broken open like the shell of a nut by your hands, so you could pluck the life away from Lord Tao Song" Kang Yongrui raves "All because of that unnatural body of yours. Gao, was a wicked man, depraved and foul. But it is easy for your followers to forget, the many others you've used as stepping stones before you own master and after. How many lives you've crushed, like the Zhou Wenyan, or Shen Bohai. What crimes did they commit, beyond merely being in your way, ogre?"

You clench your jaw. You respect Cui Fu, You respect Tao Song. They were both men who had lost their ways and become wicked, tragic losses of men who may have once been good and virtuous, unfortunate wastes of potential.

"How many children have you left orphaned? How many wives widowed? I know you act so kindly to them, the weakest of society, so gracious and gentle. Yet how many have you left without parents? how many have you deprived of safety, to punish their husbands? How many bones litter that great road of yours? Those fields you tend, how much blood has soaked the soil to allow them to grow?" Kang Yongrui ponders, eyes still locked with yours. The only men to endure looking into the golden depths of your eyes for this long, are Feng, Jinhai, Yin Lei, and your own father, Wenyan.

What a fearsome power spite can be, how effectively it can bolster the mind when the body fails. By all means, Kang Yongrui should be on the floor, struggling for breath. He had been shot multiple times in the chest, the bullets still remain. One side of his hip had been damaged, and a femur cracked by the metal that had pierced it. Yet he stood, fueled by the disgust and fury you inspired within him.
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>>4661796

"Prosperity, oh do any of those who sing your praises and worship the shit you tread upon, understand how many lives have been used as kindling to light that fire they call hope? How many men you have cut down, to pave the way for the bounty your share" He says standing directly in front of you know, using his more injured hand to brush locks of hair away from his eyes

"How much blood has been spilt in the name of your ambition? How many men lie dead because of you? How many corpses have you left hanging from trees like the most gruesome of fruit? So many blinded by the light of your charisma, so many cowed and intimated by the strength of the Giant or ferocity of the Ogre. You stand above all men, you are unique beneath the heavens. A monster in the dressings of a man"

He puts his walking stick between your legs and looks up to you.

"Unbeatable, indomitable, unconquerable, unyielding, stalwart, "valiant", resolute and fearless, for none could ever match you, none could ever challenge you, none can stand to resist you anymore than a stick in a river could hold the torrents of a flood" He hisses, his arms and legs shaking as tears flow down his cheeks "Who could ever hope to pierce that ogreish hide of yours? Who could ever dream to make you bleed?"

His eyes narrow and he sneers.

"Yet, I, Kang Yongrui, have wounded you? Haven't I? Your loyal pets, I've heard the words they speak. The grief you suffer, the pain inflicted by my hand. The suffering within your heart. Even if it is all but an act, I am the one man, to bring you to your knees, if even for a moment. You wailed and cried, because of me" He says darkly, snarling every syllable "Over what? the death of one man? A mere bloody nose compared to the wounds you have dealt and inflicted with the same serenity and poise as a maiden picking flowers, with the ease of killing livestock! One man's death managed to do more to you, than all the might of the Yan and all of those who have died preaching your insipid Journey!"

Kang Yongrui laughs, wheezing and coughing as he does.

"One man. You mourn one man" he cackles "One man when you yourself dig the graves for thousands of men, and many more. You cry and mourn, when by your hand, my kin, noble and good and as virtuous of any of your pets, as brave as any of your brotherhood of panthers, as valorous of any man who marches for your banner WERE SLAUGHTERED like animals, by the spears and swords of the men we came to liberate. The very men we marched to stand beside and reinforce, to reclaim their home and save their families from your grip. Our allies, men we swore to fight beside, and they cut my army, my cousins, my uncles, my nephew! down like rabid dogs. All because you wormed your way into another old man's heart. How long until Dai Niu joins Gao Liwei in hell? You hypocrite, you blight upon shangrala, you liar and trickster from the depths of hell"

You maintain your composure and keep from replying in word or action.
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>>4661798

"What? Do you have no answer? For how you could mourn the death of one man in a war, while your rebellion stands upon a foundation of bones. How can you, so virtuous and benevolent, call for great men, by birth, talent or character to be slaughtered and betrayed, and then turn and act as though you had been dealt a mortal wound, because one man of such value died following your orders, to fulfill YOUR dream?!" Kang Yongrui snarls "Come now, Ogre, you've killed every man whose dared to speak what others are too cowardly to say. Was my death delayed by you being as inconsolable as that dead man's own widow? Or do you think you can make me see the "truth"?"

He turns his back to you
Kang Yongrui lurches back to the chair, and collapse upon it, struggling to breath once again, eyes half closed.

"I know it already, do not waste your breath. You are a thug and brute, a hypocrite who commends the virtue of those who will follow him, and condemns those virtuous men who stand against him. One who will mourn the loss of such a man who stood by his side, yet not even care to learn the names of those who meet their ends by his machinations even if they are of the same breed as the pet he mourns" He sighs, what energy and strength he had managed to muster fading quickly from his form "So, go on, tell me the crimes I am guilty of, fulfilling my duty perhaps? Upholding my oath? Rushing to save another family's land? Attempting to save lives of men who I have never met? Or, am I guilty, simply because I am the first to kill one of your so called "friends"?"

What do you say in reply, Lieren?
>It is true, I have killed men who held virtues before. Men of talent, of renown. men who deserve to be called noble, and unfortunately, the price of war includes men I would even call virtuous.
>I see you respect Small Chen, even if you think the rest of us vile creatures. Is it because he gave his life for another, as you would have done
>Do not speak of what you have no comprehension of!! I have killed only the amount of men necessary to achieve what I have labored for my entire life! The prosperity of all men!
>I am sorry, for what has happened to you. And what I have done to you. I wish we could have met before Lord Dai sprung the trap I commanded him to lay. I can only see the measure of a man, by seeing them with my own two golden eyes. I am sorry, for the pain I have caused you and I forgive you. I mourn Chen, but I do not hate you
>Write in
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>>4661801
>I see you respect Small Chen, even if you think the rest of us vile creatures. Is it because he gave his life for another, as you would have done

Break down his tirade point by point. Give him our story piece by piece. If he's virtuous he will see through his hate. If he's not then we deal with him
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>>4661801
>It is true, I have killed those who held virtues before.
>I see you respect Small Chen, even if you think the rest of us vile?
>I am sorry for all that has occured to you.

>Write in: But for all the virtue I have commanded dead, and it grieves me that I must, The Yan and their ways are without it and spread nothing but pain and horror. The reason I have not had you executed is because I don't believe you to be the same ilk as the Yan.

Acknowledge our faults, as is our way, but we do as we do because we must.
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>>4661830
Support
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>>4661833
Actually nevermind, he's just gonna call it a hypocrite again. Changing to >>I see you respect Small Chen, even if you think the rest of us vile creatures. Is it because he gave his life for another, as you would have done
With the expectation of breaking down his attack point by point.
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>>4661842
He is going to call it hypocrisy, no doubt. Nor is he ever going to be convinced in one conversation, the man seems to acknowledge that some nobles are cunts and that we seem to be doing this for an okay reason, he just focuses on all the shit contrary to our stated beliefs which are a nessecity to making them last.
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>>4661801
>I see you respect Small Chen, even if you think the rest of us vile creatures. Is it because he gave his life for another, as you would have done
>I am sorry, for what has happened to you. And what I have done to you. I wish we could have met before Lord Dai sprung the trap I commanded him to lay. I can only see the measure of a man, by seeing them with my own two golden eyes. I am sorry, for the pain I have caused you and I forgive you. I mourn Chen, but I do not hate you
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>>4661801
>Tell him “It seems to me that you don’t actually hate anyone that follow me so much as you seek to say something that wounds me.”
>I see you respect Small Chen, even if you think the rest of us vile creatures. Is it because he gave his life for another, as you would have done
>ask him how many of his fellow nobles care for the peasants beneath them rather than seeing them as nothing more than tools
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>>4661801
>>I am sorry, for what has happened to you. And what I have done to you. I wish we could have met before Lord Dai sprung the trap I commanded him to lay. I can only see the measure of a man, by seeing them with my own two golden eyes. I am sorry, for the pain I have caused you and I forgive you. I mourn Chen, but I do not hate you
As much as i'd like to break this guy down through conversation, we just don't have time for it right now. He's on deaths door anyway. I say we simply apologize and get what we came for, we can reflect on the truth or not of his words later.
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>>4661801
I’ll support >>4661871
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>>4661911
We literally have a full week.
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>>4661801

>"How much blood has been spilt in the name of your ambition? How many men lie dead because of you? How many corpses have you left hanging from trees like the most gruesome of fruit?"

>[Write-in] It seems you rage against the nature of war itself rather than my 'ambitions'. Am I to believe the heir of the silver lions is unbloodied? Tell me what honeyed words you use to defeat tyrants and why you didn't use them on Gao, as wicked as you even admit he was.
>Or do the lives of the peasants who where SLAUGHTERED by starvation and for twisted sport matter little as long as the valorous Kang can keep his station under his Yan masters?
>Yan master so treacherous they attempted to assassinate Dai Niu simply for speaking with me, to ask after his family. Such virtue! But I think Kang Yongrui the Betrayed need return his epithet to its rightful owner!
>You say your march was to rescue Dai Niu's home and family which is forgivable, even noble, but of course you leave out its true aim which was to extend the reach of the Yan, which is not.
>You mock my grief over one man but from where does the Heir of Yongrui's grief spring? Do the bloody battlefields of war grieve the General? Certainly the macabre courts of Yan do not.

Something like this but better written. I think the Lion might respect the controlled passion.
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>>4661974
Malal didn't give a specific amount of time. he said "upon the eve of battle," whenever that is.
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>>4661801
>>4661819
Support this:
>I see you respect Small Chen, even if you think the rest of us vile creatures. Is it because he gave his life for another, as you would have done
Then telling him our story and something like >>4661985
And then to finish we apologize with this
>I am sorry, for what has happened to you. And what I have done to you. I wish we could have met before Lord Dai sprung the trap I commanded him to lay. I can only see the measure of a man, by seeing them with my own two golden eyes. I am sorry, for the pain I have caused you and I forgive you. I mourn Chen, but I do not hate you.
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>>4661801
>I see you respect Small Chen, even if you think the rest of us vile creatures. Is it because he gave his life for another, as you would have done
He thrives in confrontation, so dance around his arguments.
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>>4662120
Good point.

But I have to say, each time we interact with this man my admiration for him increases in leaps and bounds. Such will, such power, I wonder if they truly have such virtue as to be a man worthy of having their body fixed.
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>>4661985
I also like this. I am changing my vote >>4661830 to yours but also keeping

>I'm sorry for what occured to you
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Maybe using the “empty cup” metaphor would be a good idea.
https://youtu.be/WPDo75nCtiY
Kong is using preconceived notions of who we are and is refusing to let go of them, thus his cup is full. Maybe we should request some tea.
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Also I’m against saying sorry because words alone are meaningless after ruining someone’s life.
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>>4662236
It's never meaningless to apologise. Even if they dont care and will never accept them.
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>>4662245
It should be the very last thing we say, before we leave not this early. So yes this is effectively an empty gesture. We need to make it clear we aren’t the strawman in his head first.
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>>4662259
Why would it be an empty gesture now rather than before we change his preconceptions.
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>>4662263
It’ll be demissed and disregarded as a deception or an insult (we fucking ruined his life), he might become even less willing to believe us.
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>>4662297
I take that under consideration and retract the apology from>>4662199
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>"How much blood has been spilt in the name of your ambition? How many men lie dead because of you? How many corpses have you left hanging from trees like the most gruesome of fruit?"

>[Write-in] It seems you rage against the nature of war itself rather than my 'ambitions'. Am I to believe the heir of the silver lions is unbloodied? Tell me what honeyed words you use to defeat tyrants and why you didn't use them on Gao, as wicked as you even admit he was.
>Or do the lives of the peasants who where SLAUGHTERED by starvation and for twisted sport matter little as long as the valorous Kang can keep his station under his Yan masters?
>Yan master so treacherous they attempted to assassinate Dai Niu simply for speaking with me, to ask after his family. Such virtue! But I think Kang Yongrui the Betrayed need return his epithet to its rightful owner!
>You say your march was to rescue Dai Niu's home and family which is forgivable, even noble, but of course you leave out its true aim which was to extend the reach of the Yan, which is not.
>You mock my grief over one man but from where does the Heir of Yongrui's grief spring? Do the bloody battlefields of war grieve the General? Certainly the macabre courts of Yan do not.

>I'm sorry for what occurred to you
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>>4662766
+1
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>>4663027
How does she even looks like?
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>>4661985
>>4662766
Guess I’m on board with this too.
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I went with some generic chinese painting for dandan.
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>>4663162
Especially when this one was much faster, easier and looks better.
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>>4663163
I like this one better, more representative of her noble upbringing.
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>>4663162
>>4663163
Wow guys, I actually meant to photoshop the word "Dandan" over the word "mongolian". Best confusion ever, you are all incredible
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>>4663234
I read it was "photoshop over the mongolian" and thought it was the man.
Anyway here is how you wanted just in case.
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>>4662766
I dig it
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>>4662766
I'll back this
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>>4662766
this
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Looks like the heir of Kang is getting put on blast because hey, turns out war isnt good for everyone
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>>4662766
Fuck it, supporting this is the last time I'm changing my vote, I swear.
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>>4662766
I will support it too, but remove the emphasis from slaughtered and change the "to extend the reach of the Yan" to "hold down the grip of Yan", since they are tecnically fighting a rebellion, not invading another country.
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>>4661801
>Laughs in Dandan
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First time poster,finally read through the archives.Good job on a well done quest QM. I vote for this >>4662766
but without being confrontational, rather like imparting our wisdom to him. Also do the armies of Lieren have no concept of asking for the enemies surrender? When i originally read of Dai Niu's orders to battle Kang Yongrui i thought that he will lure him in the Dais camp and then take him and his army prisoners(you are surrounded, surrender to spare the lives of your men kind of deal).
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>>4664035
Capture an entire army? That doesn't even know it's surrounded yet, thus refusing the offer and denying us the suprise attack?

The logistics of prisoners would probably dent our ability to wage war considerably and those first few seconds of surprise and chaos are when we would gain the greatest advantage. Dai Niu was right to not give it up.
Sad as it is, for every army unit we capture as prisoners, we are weakened by having to care for them.
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>>4664037
Well not everyone would remain a prisoner since many tend to go to Lieren's side eventually. I meant however luring Kang in to the camp and then when they had their guard down capture them(with possible hidden Lieren's forces revealing themselves then). Considering how the armies of the Yan work, if we took the leaders prisoners in the beginning of the battle the rest of the army might have surrendered.
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>>4664035
>>4664049
they were tasked with "harassing and maiming" the enemy army. that isn't an order to take prisoners.
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>>4664154
Specificaly Lieren orders: "Dai Niu, they do not yet know of your defection and betrayal, thus your army will be able to catch them by surprise and completely unprepared for your attack" and "As I trust your expertise, Lord of Cavarly, but I would suggest acting as a distraction to allow Dai to strike Kang as they move against your riders, or being one half of a pincer movement, thus trapping the Kang between two armies. As a hammer and anvil". While indeed there is no mention of capturing prisoners, considering how bad Dai Niu felt for his betrayal to Kang, you'd think he would at least try to make them surrender in order to spare as many lives as possible. I mean why shouldn't they at least try to save some people if it was possible?
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>>4661801
>we'z wuz Kang's
The Kang's probably relate to the lion like how they're both prideful. Perhaps we can exploit his pride to break him down so he can truly understand the big picture here.

Maybe we could also do this more often. Talking with prisoners of war I mean. Seems humbling and an additional means to keep Lieren humbed I think?
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>>4662766
Support, though I'd like to mention something about the Yan taking all the women and children, just to drive home how horrible they are. Pity we don't have a man like Oberstein on our side who can suggest and take the blame for all our more difficult decisions. I kinda feel bad for how Dai is now.
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Weird everyone is supporting 'my' post when I just copied >>4661985

Is it because I put a picture? Also Toki from FotNS is also a good face claim for Lieren
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>>4664749
Honestly yes. If you post an image alongside your text people are more likely to read what you wrote.
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>>4664749
Toki's face on Roah's body is probably the best description of Lieren's physical appearance.
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>>4661801
>It is true, I have killed men who held virtues before. Men of talent, of renown. men who deserve to be called noble, and unfortunately, the price of war includes men I would even call virtuous.
Write-in: "Who would you name those as virtuous among those that stand against me? Would you say the Yan family, that nominate such foul puppets as the lord of Gao? Tell me, so that we may spare effort to save those worthwhile."
Write in: "You ask the number of those slain in the conflict. It is the number of those armies who are led by those who will not acknowledge the worth of the labourers of the land, the conscripted soldiery, and the families they originate. Have a care - because this question reflects on those who fight me."
>I see you respect Small Chen, even if you think the rest of us vile creatures. Is it because he gave his life for another, as you would have done

>>4662766
Pretty much this

>>4663162
>>4663163
>>4663254
Dandan is best grill
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>>4664767
>Dandan is best grill
But can she duel on even ground with the strongest of warriors or lead legions of men?
Lieren may be married to enlightenment, but as far as the hearts of anons go she's got some stiff competition.
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>>4664749
Honestly, it was because I was feeling lazy and didn't want to scroll up too much.
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>>4664770
So Cui Fu was best girl all along? How can one death destroy so much potential?
>>4664767
Oh, this write-in is nice, but sounds a bit higher-than-thou and just shifting blame instead of justifying ourselfs.
Still going to give my support though.
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>>4664821
>So Cui Fu was best girl all along? How can one death destroy so much potential?
If Cui Fu was the exact same in every metric but his gender was swapped, anons would have voted to let her live.
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>>4664822
I don't think letting him live was a real option. We gave him our justification best we could and he still thought us a devil incarnate.
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>>4664822
Nah we wouldn't. Because a defining trait of Cui Fu was that he was never going to see our way of things and was deathly loyal to Gao.
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>>4664842
I don't know anon, I want to have faith that the anons of this particular quest aren't brainless idiots who lose all rationality at the first sign of waifus, but we know that's just not true
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>>4664922
You are either very self deprecating or you have ignored a good portion of the conversation whenever the subject comes up.

Either way, sweeping statements never age well.
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>>4664922
I'm not

I understand that Lieren is a Primarch and thus has no sex drive and act accordingly

We should instead play matchmaker by shipping our companions with good women
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Alright, calling the vote now. Sorry for the wait, but for once it wasn't because of technical issues.

I see you respect small chen, even if you think the rest of us as vile creatures...:6
it is true I have killed those who held virtue...:2
I am sorry for all that has occurred to you...: 15
It seems to me you don't actually hate anyone who follows me...:2
Ask how many of his fellow nobles even care about the common folk:2
the BIG write in:15
Who would you name virtuous among those that stand against me:2
You ask the number of those slain in conflict:2

Alright, so the BIG write in here >>4662766 and here
>>4661985
wins, so that's what Lieren will Tell Kang Yongrui, as well as apologizing for the tragedy that has befallen the heir of the Kang

Writing now.
took awhile to count this one, I will admit


>>4663162
>>4663163
>>4663254
Fucking amazing work lads.

>>4664035
Thank you, welcome aboard.
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Which his rage subsiding and his energy spent, you at last turn you gaze down towards Kang Yongrui, and look directly upon his crippled form once again. Serenely, you press your hands together and bow your head, to keep your eyes trained onto crippled Lion in a show of respect. You take in a deep breath, of hot, fetid air, straightening your back and shoulders as the scent of summer winds and unwashed sweat washes over your senses. It leaves your lungs as a cool sigh, a gentle breeze whispering through the word.

Kang Yongrui, does not avert his gaze. No doubt, the pain his own mangled body inflicts upon him renders any discomfort caused by your mere gaze meaningless in comparison. Closing your lips, you part your hands from each other, and motion towards the man sitting crumpled before you with one while keeping the other pressed against your chest vertically.

"It would seem that you rage against the nature of war itself, rather than my "ambitions"" You says with a soothing and gentle voice, that sounds akin to the noises of a slowly flowing stream "Am I to believe the heir of the silvered lion's is unbloodied?"

The fire of fury reignites in Kang Yongrui's tired eyes, reacting towards the insult towards his warrior's spirit, but he remains silent.

"Tell me of the honeyed words you use to defeat tyrants? and why you didn't use them on Gao" You say, pressing your hands back together as you glance away him, to allow him some respite from the piercing stare of your golden eyes "As wicked as you admit him he was"

"There is a difference, between a honest war and that of a liars. I marched to return to an old man his home and kin" Kang Yongrui hisses "There is a difference, Giant, between a spear stabbed through a man's front to one that pierces his back. Death is unavoidable in war, I detest men who would ignore the price of lives they incur upon their foes but then turn to mourn the death of a single man"

"I mourn the men who must die, but it is also natural to grieve for those who you love" You say sorrowfully, bowing your head once again as you speak "But, do you mourn every man who has served beneath you? or simply the officers of rank?"

"They all died via the same spear that pierced them from the back" Kang Yongrui says, deflecting your question and attempting to use it as another barb against you.

"Or do the lives of the peasants who were slaughtered by starvation and for twisted sport matter little" You say, righting your posture again as you reply to the trap laid in words with another question "So long as the valorous Kang can keep their station under their Yan masters"

Kang Yongrui rises, like a vengeful spirit, his vigor and energy returned with the insult to not only himself, but his line.
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>>4665063

"You dare!! What of the peasantry who are turned to little more than torn meat and splintered bones by your hellish weaponry? Men who came to save another, and had their hopes and lives dashed by his betrayal! Do you mourn them alongside those slain by apathy and sadism?!" He roars, his nails digging so fiercely into his walking stick that a most horrid scratching sound is made "or do you weep for your followers alone?"

"As you yourself said, every war has its price of deaths. If there was a means to achieve what I have striven for for the entirety of my life, without loss of life, I would have taken that path instead of the one I now walk" You say sorrowfully, sighing and shaking your head as the crippled heir of the Kang snarls.

"So you claim, yet by the treachery you commanded, near the entirety of my family's army has been slaughtered like common swine. Noble and peasant alike" Kang Yongrui growls, shaking his head in turn, his unwashed mane covering his eyes once again "Cease your babbling of virtue and benevolence and halt your accusations of heartlessness. For I to have mourned, but I have not allowed myself to be blinded by a dogma penned by my own hand"

"Self righteousness? is that what you accuse me of? because I have mourned a dear friend of mine, as you yourself have" You say in response, clicking your tongue as you pause to take another calming breath of air in through your nose "or is it because I well understand that with masters like those you serve, prosperity cannot be obtained without bloodshed"

"No, I accuse you of such, because you speak of virtuous men and benevolent intent, yet commit the most vile of deceptions and cruelest trickery" Kang Yongrui replies "and would look down your nose at those who speak out against this hypocrisy"

"Treachery...you keep speaking of treachery. I will not deny, I have committed trickery and have deceived a handful of my enemies to achieve the ends I seek" You say calmly, pressing one of your hands over your twin hearts as you speak "But is the treachery I have commited truly comparable to the masters you serve?"

Kang Yongrui narrows his eyes, taking on the mein of a serpent as he stares through you in an attempt to study you, and divine your meaning and intent. Yet the disgust he holds for you remains as easily seen as it has since you first laid your eyes upon him. He does not speak, but simply waits to hear what you have to say. It is at this moment, this meeting becomes a duel of words rather than an exchange of proclamations and denouncements.

"The Yan, masters so treacherous they attempted to assassinate Dai Niu simply for speaking with me, to ask of his family" You continue, lowering your voice to achieve a quiet yet grave inflection with which to dye your words "Haah, Such virtue! But I believe Kang Yongrui the Betrayed needs to return his epithet to its rightful owner"
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>>4665064

He responds by tossing his walking stick away. It bounces twice before clattering to the floor, marked with deep grooves where Kang Yongrui ran his nails to temper and control his wrath.

"One treachery does not excuse another! if that is the belief you hold, you are a fool despite your intellect. And a coward!" He snarls, still not turning his eyes away from your own "To make another shoulder the burden of your dishonor, is sickening, to use an unpayable debt to force another to do such wickedness, is fouler than simply ordering him to slit his own throat. Dai Niu may have been saved by your hand, but he was also damned by it"

"Yes, the so called "treachery of turtles", a stain Dai Niu will never be able to clean from himself. It hangs over this meeting like it does Lord Dai himself, as a pestilent miasma" You say bluntly "I understand the wound I have asked him to bear, and the tragedy it became for you. But it was all done with a purpose"

"To win the war, to ensure the minimal amount of casualties for the men who serve you" Kang Yongrui answers "with no regard for the man who must lower himself to such villainy to commit such an act, and the men who feel its sting. Dai Niu was a man of noble graces, and he shall never be again because of your command"

You take a long, ponderous breath, using the moments of silence to clear your mind of useless detritus and wild emotion.

"I have never denied that sacrifices must be made at times, even if I detest that harsh truth. However, you claim your march was solely to rescue Dai Niu's family and home, which is not merely forgivable motivation but even a most noble one. But of course, you leave out the true aim and final goal of such an action"

"Which is to maintain the stranglehold the Tyrants of Yan held over the lands you marched to reclaim, which is not noble nor forgivable" You say coldly as Kang Yongrui falls back into the roughly made chair given to him "You mock my grief over one man, but is your rage not a product of similar mourning? From whence does the Heir of Kang's grief spring? Do the bloody battlefields of war so grieve you for certainly the macabre courts do not? or is it as simple as it seems, that the lie I commanded Dai Niu to commit has enraged you, for the cost it has taken from you and the lives of your men, the same "hypocrisy" you accuse me of committing"

"Do not act ignorant, I know you can see through my words and into my very heart. You know why I hold such disgust and contempt for you, Giant!" Kang Yongrui hisses, lowering his head mournfully as he spews further venom and hatred
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>>4665066

"Simply because you are generous and kind to many, does not forgive that sheer coldness, and uncaring brutality you employ to achieve your ends. Had I not survived, you would have forgotten the means you used to defeat the Lions of Kang. Had I not existed as a reminder of your sins, you would have continued on, without once feeling guilt for the treachery used to take my head. Perhaps, if you love for you followers is true, and they are more than pets to you, you would have regretted the eternal shame forced upon Dai Niu for...what"

He rests his elbows upon his knees, to hold himself up as he leans and turns his eyes once more to your own

"A season? Two maybe? perhaps even until the very day of his death. A shame you had yourself burdened him with, by the debt he owed for his life. What a hollow existence, to be scorned for repaying an oath to your savior" Kang Yongrui hissed with a deep scorn "That is assuming of course, the heroism you performed was not but another lie, another deception to win the Dai's loyalty. With all your inhuman strength, boundless charisma, and shining intelligence, you still resort to such underhanded tactics. How men can stomach admire you, worship you even, is inexplicable to me"

You bow your head

"I am sorry for what occurred to you" You say truthfully, and honestly "and the part I played in it. I wish we could have met before Lord Dai sprung the trap I commanded him to lay"

"Hollow words for a hollow man" Kang Yongrui mutters ruefully

You stare him in the eyes, focusing intently on the black wells in their center, his pupils, which contract as if stunned by a sudden and bright light.

"I can only see the measure of a man when I see them with my own two golden eyes" You say sadly, keeping your head bowed just enough to keep your eyes locked with your prisoners "I am sorry for the pain I've caused you"

"What a gift, an apology given for the death of kin true and loyal, what a bounty I have been given!" Kang Yongrui mocks "Is that the excuse you give? My suffering was what? A mere mistake? A cruel twist of fate? because you did not meet me before you made to tear my throat out like a rabid beast? How insipid"

"I speak the truth, whether you can see it or not. I have not lied once to you, Noble Kang Yongrui" You say solemnly, standing to your full height and raising your head with confidence once more "and I forgive you. It is true, I mourn Chen, but I do not hate you"

Kang Yongrui looks confused now, his lips twisted and curled as he hears your words.

"Forgive me?!" He roars, veins popping over his bro "What depths of conceit! what hubris!"

"You may see me as your enemy, Heir of Kang, but to me you are but a foe. If we had met under different circumstances, I would have been proud to consider a man of your make among my friends, as I had Small Chen" You reply calmly, smiling for the first time since you began speaking with Kang Yongrui.
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>>4665067

"What distinction is there, between enemy and foe?!" Kang Yongrui gapes, confusion surmounting his once blinding rage

"An enemy is one who opposes your very existence or that of the beliefs you hold, a foe is but one you fight against for one reason or antoher . Among the servants of Yan, you are as Dai Niu was, but a foe to me" You say simply

"Courts above, you were serious!" Kang Yongrui Laughs, sneering as he does "You can kill without spite, all that has happened to me and my kin and the brave men cut down by your orders, you consider but a tragic mistake. All the agony and suffering, because you set another in your stead, and believe if we had met under different stars we may have been allies. How insipid, how foolish. How has a man as naive as you survived and thrived so well to bring a kingdom to its knees!?"


What is your answer, Lieren?
>I consider every man I kill a mistake. Do you think I make exceptions for my enemies? I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, but some men must die. But that does not mean I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were
>With the aid of those who believe my "insipid" words, truthfully. I may stand above all other men, but a Lion may be brought low by a swarm of mice and in the end, I am but one man.
>Power? Genius? Charisma? When the world stands against you, guile is a far more effective weapon to hold. it is because of the same treachery you curse me for, that I have been able to bring low a dynasty that has rule for hundreds of years. Look down on my methods if you must, but beyond even firearms, they are the reason for the Yan's defeat.
>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!
>write in
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>>4665070
>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!
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>>4665070
>>I consider every man I kill a mistake. Do you think I make exceptions for my enemies? I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, but some men must die. But that does not mean I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were
>>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!
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>>4665070
>>I consider every man I kill a mistake. Do you think I make exceptions for my enemies? I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, but some men must die. But that does not mean I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were
>>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!
Add that we consider the stunt we pulled with Dai Niu a mistake as well.
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>>4665070
>I consider every man I kill a mistake. Do you think I make exceptions for my enemies? I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, but some men must die. But that does not mean I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were
>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!
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>>4665070
>I consider every man I kill a mistake
>Because it is a kingdom of tyrants

We don't want to kill anyone, really, we don't. But again, they have to.
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>>4665070
>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!
>I consider every man I kill a mistake. Do you think I make exceptions for my enemies? I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, but some men must die. But that does not mean I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were
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>>4665070
>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!
If we had just killed Gao, made peace with Yan and simply replaced the dynasty, our lands would be peaceful and properous, while the rest suffer while being funded by our riches.
The fox has to fall.
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>>4665155
they'd probably have killed us anyway if they are clever. Once you murder your lord, you can't trust them not to do it again
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>>4665155
>I consider every man I kill a mistake. Do you think I make exceptions for my enemies? I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, but some men must die. But that does not mean I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were
Fuck I forgot to copy this one too. RIP Cui Fu, if you were alive we would pair you with one of the vishnu and have a super soldier dynasty.
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>>4665167
He still stands as the only person to face Lieren in personal combat unafraid...who isn't a sorcerer/ demon who can nigh instantaneously teleport.

He was a man, a man who was the product of generation of eugenics, sure.but he was still just a man, who managed to land a hit on a primarch.
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What is our purpose again for talking to the Kang? Are we still going to stick him with the Lotus or some other guy?
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>>4665188
Truly, he is the greatest warrior that shangrila has ever produced.

>>4665196
I think we just had to see if he knew anything, and talk with our friends killer before we forget about him.
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>>4665196
Because the dude has virtue, we can't go around executing our foes just for standing against us. That would go against what we teach.
The snake brothers on the other hand we got to do a quick judging and hanging before we set off.
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>>4665070
>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!
>I consider every man I kill a mistake. Do you think I make exceptions for my enemies? I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, but some men must die. But that does not mean I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were
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>>4665210
Snake brother. Xue De got atomized by Dandan's "orchestra" cause he ran into the middle of it trying to flee it. Xue Hong remains in captivity, awaiting his judgement.

Xue Liang saw what happened to the other parts of the Xue Three, and fucked off back to the swamps
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>>4665224
>Xue De got atomized by Dandan's "orchestra"
We've gotta have a talk with that girl. She needs to get a handle on things before she encounters Imperial ordinance.
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>>4665070
>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!
>I consider every man I kill a mistake. Do you think I make exceptions for my enemies? I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, but some men must die. But that does not mean I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were.

Is this guy serious? He calls Lieren self-righteous when he is just butthurt that we defeated him with trickery and does not question, even dodges when asked, his "righteous" inaction against horrible and despicable acts of abuse and genocide (because everyone in the lands of Gao was about to die of FUCKING HUNGER). He calls Lieren dishonorable when he serve almost-chaos cultist tyrants, he calls Lieren an hypocrite that talks about peace and prosperity for all and then kills peasant levies when he is the one sending then and in our place would have killed not only the levies but also the aligned noncombatant civilians for the treason of not wanting to starve. I get that he despises his current situation and the honorless act that led to it, but he and his men would have died anyways against a wall of firearms if we had told Dai niu to not feign his alliance to the last moment. We have made ONE mistake that was actually the best strategy. It was unnecessary, but we were away conquering an entire house and it's army so we wanted the plan to succeed 100% because what this war will bring, our goal, is too important, more than even our life or the lives of any individual under our command. One season less of war is thousands less that suffer the abuse of Yan and hundreds of people less that die, civilians or combatants.
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>>4665281
I think he is completely serious.
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>>4665070
>I consider every man I kill a mistake. Do you think I make exceptions for my enemies? I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, but some men must die. But that does not mean I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were.
Try to fit in a little bit about how and why Lieren dealt with Cui, Tao and Gao. The last ones treatment of his people and betrayal of his faithful subjects due to his greed will probably enrage Kang and possibly make him understand Lierens actions better. Then go with:
>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!
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Also re-reading the part that Dai Nui accepts his orders to battle Kang, he(Dai Nui) didn't have a problem with what was asked of him. He only felt remorse when he heard Kang yell that he came to help save his lands. So it wasn't as if Lieren forced the Dai to do that or anything.
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By the way, does anyone think that Lieren should start a unit that specializes in treating battlefield wounds? Something that would probably help with the new types of weapons and wounds this war brings.
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>>4665415
You can say we did force him through obligation to honour his debts. Which wouldn't be untrue
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>>4665440
You mean we don't already have one?

>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!
>I consider every man I kill a mistake. Do you think I make exceptions for my enemies? I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, but some men must die. But that does not mean I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were.
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>>4665456
Except he says: "I have no complaints towards the command given and tactics ordered to be employed, Lord Lieren". Now if there was the case that his name would be eternaly associated with treason, how come he didn't say anything about that? Plus, Yin Lei was considered a legendary general of the Yan with many honors earned and yet no one mentions him siding with Lieren or executing nobles(like when he judged Gao's guests after Lieren killed Gao) as a betrayal.
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>>4665467
I don't recall ever being mentioned. If it was, i apologise, but it seems as if they treat people after the battle ends rather than having battle medics for example.
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>>4665470
I'm inclined to believe that he was just honouring his debt and keeping quiet, since to complain would be taken as trying to shirk paying his dues.
Or maybe I'm wrong, but the situation in which he was revealed pur ally is quite different. Yin Lei was our public ally from the start and has been openly and unrepentantly clear in who he supports.

Dai revealed his allegiance by slamming a dagger into his "allies" back.the two are not equal at all, even if they are both traitors.
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>>4665491
Maybe you're right but if so we should have better communication between Lieren and his commanders in order to prevend people being forced to do things they don't want(as that is contrary to the Journeys teachings) and maybe we can find better ways to do things. That way we can also make Lieren seem much more involved with the war effort. I don't remember any battle commmanded by Lieren, only participation in battles he had was infiltration missions and solo attacks(like that against Mao castle).
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>>4665218
I support this.
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So who wants to bet Yan is doing demonic rituals?
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>>4665491
Also, Dai Niu's betrayal is worse probably only to Kang's eyes. The rest of the Yan will probably think Yin Lei a bigger traitor than Dai Niu due to how much Yin Lei was valued. In other words, Yin Lei is someone like Horus and Dai Niu is... Perturabo maybe?
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>>4665553
If they were, wouldn't they have sent daemonic assassins against Lieren or his generals already? Maybe that's an additional reason why they gathered all those people.
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>>4665564
>If they were, wouldn't they have sent daemonic assassins against Lieren or his generals already
That depends on what rituals they have.
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>>4665569
True. If they are the Dark Princes cultists(as their decadence would imply) what would they have access to?
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>>4665559
The dude has a medieval chivalry vide to him.
Probably wouldn't be as pissed if Dai had announced his change of allegiance.
Not like it matters that much, the Yan are going to demonize everyone involved, and after the war we are going to be controlling the narrative, we can change the perception of the Dai in our brand new modernized school system.
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>>4665587
Khorne-vishnu tyrant

Slanesh-the Yan

Tzeentch- the master of the mountain

Nurgle-that first demon beast we killed

Malal- us

Goddamn, this planet is super fucked, or atleast in the process of being super fucked
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>>4665613
We’ve killed 2 nurgle daemons, 1 slaanesh daemon, a wannabe tzeentch daemon, and denied a lord of change his victory.
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>>4665620
We ain't killed any demons yet. We killed beasts, but even if they are warp tainted creatures then they arent daemons.

Daemons cant stay in the real world this long without bindings and nowhere in our weeks long construction did we find any bindings at all near the river lord.
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>>4665610
Should we also build a monument dedicated to comrades and virtuous foes that lost their lies in the war?
>>4665613
Not that much really. Doesn't most planets have a chance to host servants of the Ruinous Powers since the Immaterium pervades the whole galaxy?
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>>4665620
To me it seemed like this: Toad dragon-Nurgle, Mud mouth-Slaanesh, Burning lasher-Khorne and that sorcerer-Tzeentch. They were chaos spawn though(the last one just a sorcerer) not true demons.
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>>4665624
They were human once, so they probably were chaos spawns.
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>>4665655
The difference from warp tainted beasts?
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>>4665627
We really should dot the landscape with memorials like the one we made at the Toad Dragon.
And this world isn't really just harboring chaos cultist, it seems the cultures of the peoples that live here a devoted for each chaos god. We know there is an agressive religious nation, so they are probably nurglite if the only tzeentechians were the mountain people.
We really are some bizarre mirror to Lorgar aren't we?
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>>4665665
An warp tainted beaat is juat some animal touched by the warp, an chaos spawn was an follower of chaos, probably some kind of champion, that fucked up or the gods simply got tired, and mutated them until they became beasts.
Chaos spawns are incredible dangerous, and each one is different from the other.
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>>4665553
I think that it's likely they have some ancient tome about it, but haven't used it for a myriad of reasons. However, once we get to their palace, they'll use it in a desperate last stand, a la the histories from the Chronicles of Ursh that Garviel Loken read about. It'll be fun to explain to our generals what they were after the battle.
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>>4665675
the *functional* difference is nothing, was my point. They are both incredibly lethal and one only has the most crude instincts and malice of a man.
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>>4665669
That is one way to look at it. However what if there are different groups in each kingdom? Cui Fu was more Khorne aligned than Slaanesh unlike most of Yan, that mountain cave sorcerer was a Vishnu Tzeentch worshiper and who except the QM can say what each of the different Vishnu kingdoms look like? Perhaps some worship Slaanesh or another god instead of Khorne even with a martial culture(that envoy didn't seem like much of a fighter).
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>>4665687
Well, if that an megafauna from one of the hardiest planets in the galaxy and give them many beneficial mutations, probably mixing through natural selection for generations, you could match the strength, but you if just compare some random beast that got an extra arm that spit poison, not really.
A chaos spawn hide can stop anti-armor and has enough strength to rip apart metal with it's bare hands, plus whatever weird mutations that it has, like poison, fire or psyker powers, all of at the hands of someone that had enough talent to get a lot of attetion of the chaos gods, and while it is degenerated, it is still there.
All I'm trying to say is that chaos spawn are no joke.
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>>4665705
Cui Fu was from an different people that the Yan. The ancestor of Gao beat his ancestor and they pledged themselves to him.
It still means that this place has chaos corruption to it's core
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>>4665726
I don't think we was a different people, I just think that his was a warlord dynasty.

Wouldn't be out of form for his ancestors to be vishnu, but Cui was still Yan.
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Hope everyone here is ready for an economic collapse.
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>>4665070
Write in: "It is a destiny I could not ignore, to ensure the future is better than the past. I could not ensure all children are fed when a tyrant is draining foodstocks to distill liquor. This was not only a drug that addles the nobility but a lethargy for the domain that limits the potential prosperity to all. It appears you still do not realise how sincere I am uplifting everyone. Even the Mao. Even you.
"Will you come with me, and see my works when this war is won?"

>>4665401
Support this segue. Tell him about the Mao who still live.
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>>4665740
I think it was just some native tribe that got integranted when the Yan was forming or expanding, not that he was Vishnu. Like a different tribe but still the same overarching ethinicity.
But the only person that knows for sure would be Malal.
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>>4665831
My country already in one for some years now, so why not some more decades?
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>>4665847
Venezuela? That sucks, at least it wasn't apocalyptic like the one we seem to be getting soon.
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>>4665856
Just like "Muh global warming this time is real!"
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>>4665856
Brazil actually, we held out against the economic crash of 2008 for a couple of years, but then it showed up multiplied in force.
>>4665863
I used to not believe in global warming, but we no longer have seasons here and every year is hotter than the last.
Hopefully it's just god hating monkeyland and the rest of the world is spared.
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>>4665867
Literal warm and cold periods of the earth throughout history. Look up the Mini-freeze or w.e. it was called in Europa during i think the medieval time? and shit like that.
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>>4665863
Actually it's hyperinflation, a famine, and global unrest.
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>>4665856
Well, it seems as if history's going back to normal. If anything, this period following WWII of relative peace and comfort is an aberration, rather than the norm. May we live in interesting times, etc.
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>>4665901
Kek, true. Desppite what most think, post WW2 society has been one of the most peaceful and prosperous periods of human history. I think that the trauma of WW1, WW2 and the cold war prevented most open conflicts and kinda hammered some good ideas about respect towards others, human rights, etc. But nothing good lasts forever, the ideological and cultural degradation of the last decades is reaching a critical point and the next World War will either be on the internet and economical, or gift everyone with a fallout/Mad Max permanent cosplay, but with nurgle dancing around
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>>4666215
The degradation didn't start in the last decade nor is the prosperity people are currently experiencing real. The proof of is silver and why would an almost extinct metal, that is vital to every modern electronic device, be worth no more than $30? You're living in a hypernormalized false reality.
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>>4666215
>I think that the trauma of WW1, WW2 and the cold war prevented most open conflicts and kinda hammered some good ideas about respect towards others, human rights, etc.

>build that wall
>MAGA
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>>4665070
>Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants! as you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their ilk! I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet, all so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule. I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!
>I consider every man I kill a mistake. Do you think I make exceptions for my enemies? I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, but some men must die. But that does not mean I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were.
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>>4666289
Man, compare the life conditions of average people in the XVIII-XIX century and now, not only technologically, but on the whole "openly thinking about stuff X important guy doesn't like". Of course that there is always oppression and adversity, but in the fucking middle ages you could die from hunger, cold or a noble overworking you or killing you for the lols and no one except your family would care, and there was way less people and they knew their neighbours better
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>>4666534
You got me there, humans overcame their predators and decided to go full asshole on each other "cause greed, smokescreens and why not"
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Hey there’s an 11th primarch quest now.
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>>4666884
link?
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>>4666947
>>4666442
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Calling the vote now!

Because it is a kingdom of tyrants:13
I consider every man I kill a mistake:12
explain how and why you dealt with Cui, Tao and Gao:2
Tell him of the mao who still live:1
it is a destiny I could not ignore:1

So Lieren will explain he finds every man he's killed to be a mistake and would prefer if his hands could have remained free of blood. And then rage against the nature of his enemies to explain how he has gotten so far and why he does what he does

Writing now

>>4665255
Imagine, Dandan commanding titans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff68PsXbCK4

>>4665838
Just wanted to say, great write in

>>4666884
>>4666947
>>4666956
Awesome, glad he's running it. Been waiting for it to come around since he first started talking about it in the general

the more the merrier
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You know, Lieren might actually be the Primarch that understands the Emperor the best.
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>>4667020
>Dandan commanding titans
The second she sees them during our welcome to terra parade is the second we never see her again.
>>4667085
Do go on, Anon.
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>>4667085
with his ability to see 'truth' he'll probably understand everyone the best
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>>4667099
I dunno, he seems like he'd be good enough to lie even to us.
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>>4667104
certainly possible, he might even be that guy who refuses to give us a name.
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>>4667099
Seeing and understanding are two different things. Though there are comparissons to be made between us and dear old dad. Right now we're in a war to unite the planet for the good of mankind, while uplifting the populace with technological advancement after advancement. It's a more noblebright version of the Unification Wars. I think it'd be interesting if we're able to make if off Shangrala in the attempt to spread the Journey to the lost colonies of humanity. Being found in the midst of a Great Crusade of our very own would be something to behold.
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>>4667089
Well look at how much Lieren mirrors the Emperor. From his hatred (that drove him to write a book) to his rise to power and his conquest of the world they are quickly becoming foils for each other.
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Agony, suffering, pain. it is true, your hands have caused equal measures of each, at least of an emotional variety. Only a blind man could not see the grief in the eyes of widows, the sorrow in the hearts of orphans. It is unavoidable, for even the irredeemable are beloved by those of their blood or kith. It is regrettable, no matter how merciful the method a life cut short will always ripple outwards, bringing such emotions in its wake. There is no life lost that is unmourned, even if you alone grieve for such small tragedies as a villain most foul being made to answer for a lifetime of accrued wickedness and malfeasances.

After all, was it not written by your own hand no less, that all lives great and small, virtuous and sinful hold the same value as any other? It'd be sheer hypocrisy to not grieve for the men your victims may have become if they lived another live, or the men they were before their hearts hardened and turned bitterly cold. Turning your mind away from such sorrowful thoughts, you take a slow, ponderous breath of air, taking a moment to devise the exact words to use to explain this belief of yours, this perhaps overt kindness that still dwells within your heart.

Despite all you have seen and done.

Solemnly, you begin to speak from that same gentle heart, that has remained as unbroken as your stride through your arduous and blood path.

"I consider every man I kill to be a mistake" The words flow from your lips gently, as the quietest breeze may, but hold a conviction that not even the most violent of storms could weaken "Do you think I make exception for my enemies?"

Kang Yongrui's eyes burn like the center of an active forge, his unbroken will blazing within his crippled body. There is no vitrole to spew forth nor anything more to say, such a show of contempt would be rather crude and mannerless for a man of his station and character when he has already spoken all he believes must be said.

"I would prefer my hands to be free of blood, unsullied, but some men must die" You say, holding out your arms and turning your hands so their palms will face the roof and the sky beyond. The Vishnu say the scent of death lingers in your presence, and it is true, these strong hands have destroyed almost as much as they have created. Whether by noose, spear, guandao, or more primitive methods of killing.

You can still remember the faces of every man and beast you've killed, their final moments preserved in the vastness of your mind, stored beside every other fleeting moment of your short life be they merry or joyless. Truly, one of the blessings of genius is the clarity of memory. Thus, while the faces of the dead remain as clear as unstained silk in your mind, you also remember exactly what they had done to force your hands.

All were necessary, all were dealt with efficiently and cleanly. A lingering death is such a detestable thing.

"But that does not mean that I cannot mourn the men they could've been or once were" You say.

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>>4667164

With the words of your heart spoken, you nod and quietly clap your hands together. Reflecting upon the necessity of some deaths and the burden of taking a life, is strangely soothing. Some may call it macabre to be calmed by thoughts of the universal fate that awaits all life, but meditating on the lives you have ended personally somewhat bolsters your spirit.

For it reminds you of why those men had to die. Their crimes, their punishment, and the good that came with their passing alongside the sorrows of those who mourned them. The Lands of Cui would flourish, The Tao were free to find their own paths, Gao's taint was burned from Shangrala. How many lives were preserved by the simple action of taking another? How many children would be born, because the fields were fertile and the roads safe from the greed of brigands and other criminals?

It is true, many men have died by your hands or commands. But many more now lived because those men had died? It was the reasoning that had guided you forward and the truth that you knew. Killing was regrettable, but it was necessary. Sometimes, the most efficient path to follow, was drowned in blood. Sometimes it was not.

"You would be happier as a hermit, or monk. If such men were not persecuted and hunted" Kang Yongrui says, suddenly sorrowful rather than enraged, as if your reflection had caused him to think deeper than he had before "Yet here you stand, a incarnation of battle and slaughter, ordering deaths and leading an army. How Gao Liwei ever thought you his friend, I shall never understand. But even if you are truly this forgiving, this gentle hearted, such a truth will do little to ease my agony. Nor will it erase the wickedness of your actions. If anything"

Kang Yongrui snorts and shakes his head.

"Hearing such a thing, makes the wounds I suffered ache more gravely and worsens the shame and insults I have endured. To know my downfall, and the deaths of my noble warriors, were commanded by a man so naive as to grieve for men who would see all of his work and progress erased, out of sheer spite. And Yan, is being bested by you, an oversized monk who has somehow found himself as the leader of the most terrible rebellion of the era" Kang Yongrui bemoaned "Would it have not been better, to keep your hands and heart pure? You injure yourself as much as you do others, if your words are true. All of this could've been avoided, and many men would still be walking among us"

How odd, have your sincere words truly had such a noticeable effect upon the Heir of Silver Lions? He is speaking truthfully, there is no deceit or hidden meaning within his words. Yet he has calmed so greatly, even if the disdain he holds for you has not. How queer. Yet, your own serenity cracks as he finishes speaking. His statement has somewhat irked you.
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>>4667165

How could he suggest merely standing aside, and watching as your fellow men are beaten, abused, tortured, starved, butchered, raped and brutalized in a myriad of ways each more dreadful than the last?

It is not often you are annoyed or inspired to such fits of petty anger, but the mere suggestion of being a bystander to the atrocities of the Tyrants of Yan, brings the two feelings into your heart.

"Because, it is a kingdom of Tyrants!" You shout, thoroughly incensed by the thought, lashing your arm outwards as you speak. Kang Yongrui flinches, as a burst of displaced air rushes past him "As you are filled with righteous anger because of me, so to am I filled with disgust towards the foxes and their Ilk!"

Pausing for a moment to center yourself, and purge the wild emotions flaring within your chest, then, you begin to speak once more, your voice dripping with venom and controlled passion.

"I cannot stand idle by while women and children are taken as living shields or condemned to worser fates yet" the words leave your throat as a snarl "All so the wicked and cruel can continue their rule"

You pound a fist against your chest

"I refuse to live in a world where such vile evil is rewarded!" Your proclaim, loud enough for even the heavens to hear your words.

"So, the world will either burn or Lieren will" Kang Yongrui snickers, shaking his head "Naive and idealistic, why.."

A look of concern flashes over his face and he presses a hand to his forehead

"Why can't I be angry?" he asks, sounding utterly confused with his own emotion "its strange, I hate you above all others, even Dai Niu the traitor himself, yet, I think of how much I despise you with a clear mind rather than one clouded by fury. Its queer and unsettling, is this your doing?"

"Besides the possibility my words managing reaching your heart despite the barricades you erected around it, I do not believe it is" You say somewhat flippantly, tilting your head to one side, observing Yongrui carefully "despite how stories abound of my mastery of the sorcerous arts"

"Odd, perhaps realizing you were not a spiteful thug has weakened my heart" Yongrui mutters "but I am not so foolish as to forgive the man who has ruined me, as you would have done in my place no doubt, some actions are simply unforgiveable"

"Perhaps, though it is unfortunate you cannot bury your grudges. I understand why you are unable to, I will not act as if I am free of such prejudice myself" You state simply, nodding your head "And on that at least, we agree. Some actions cannot be forgiven, we simply have different views on what they may be"

"Crippled on the orders of a naive fool, my cousin killed by his men. It is a harsher reality than the truth I knew before" Kang Yongrui muses bitterly "If you intend to hang me, do it with haste, or leave me. Your stench and discordant words are causing my scars to ache. Speaking with you further, would be akin to torture, ogre"
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>>4667166

You sigh. He is allowed to despise you, for all that has happened to him. Some men simply cannot be swayed by words and kindness alone. Kang Yongrui is like Cui Fu, in that regard. Though he is nowhere near as foul as the last lord of the Cui had become. He is a good man, a virtuous man turned bitter and cold by being rewarded for his valor and heroism by betrayal and shame.

But, he has committed no crimes to deserve death and does not wish for its release. How cruel it is, for such a man to be trapped in a broken body, cursed by failures caused by no fault of his own.

"I shall grant this request" You say simply, turning your back to the crippled man. He remains silent until you reach the doorway.

"Damn you" he whispers, as you leave him to his solitude and grief.

Now that you have eased the turmoil within yourself by meeting with Small Chen's killer, and speaking with him, you can return to plotting your next move.

Namely, which of the northern Yin generals to capture to steal away their memories in a blind hope they will reveal to you the true plan of the Yan, and the reason for their abduction of women and children alike. You simply cannot stand not knowing what exactly, the yan intend to do to those unfortunate innocents. What they plot among themselves. And it'd be inefficient to lead an army, while such a distraction remains in your mind.

What will be your decision Lieren?
>Yin Aiguo, the more veteran of the two and the elder of the two. He would know doubt, be trusted with unwholesome secrets and truths. And according to Dong's report, he is trailing behind the other armies, patrolling the lands. Easier to find alone, but more dangerous to capture, as his army contains the elite of the northern Yin
>Yin Huizhong, the younger of the two generals and Nephew of Aiguo. inexperienced, yet doggedly loyal as his uncle if not more so. He would be easier to capture, but he leads his army close behind Yan Zihao like a well trained hound. While his troops would be less of a threat, those fielded by the Old fox would not be.
>Find a test subject for the Lotus Scepter. Perhaps Xue Hong?
>Thinking of it logically. Your strength, skill, speed and durability are unparalleled, Kang Yongrui was right in that regard. Do you truly need an army to best Yan Zihao? A single strike is all it would take
> write in

>>4667110
That'd be a humorous meeting, Great crusade meeting a miniature more peaceful version of itself.
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>>4667110
>>4667113
I wonder who would be more shocked, Big L or Big E
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>>4667169
Aiguo.

His troops may be more dangerious. But we are MUCH more dangerious
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>>4667169
>>Find a test subject for the Lotus Scepter. Perhaps Xue Hong?
Also start inventing new medical treatments in the back of our mind, techniques to heal the wounds of the weapons we've created. I would like to de-cripple Kang Yongrui a bit, we will succeed with him where we failed with Cui Fu and Dai Niu.
>>4667177
I think it'd be one of the very few things to make Emps pause and think about his actions up until that point. Lorgar ever-so-slightly green with envy. We've created a philosophy that people seem rather enamored with and won't be dismissed out of hand since it isn't a religion.
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>>4667169
>>Yin Aiguo, the more veteran of the two and the elder of the two. He would know doubt, be trusted with unwholesome secrets and truths. And according to Dong's report, he is trailing behind the other armies, patrolling the lands. Easier to find alone, but more dangerous to capture, as his army contains the elite of the northern Yin
>>Thinking of it logically. Your strength, skill, speed and durability are unparalleled, Kang Yongrui was right in that regard. Do you truly need an army to best Yan Zihao? A single strike is all it would take
second option is more of a thought in the back of his mind (not something to actively pursue, just an acknowledgment). the whole goal is to raise up everyone so he has to bring them along and not do it on his own. he could, but he wont.
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>>4667169
Can we have his consent to opperate on him in the future to uncripple him? Give it a year or two after we overthrow the Yan, and we'll have him better and stronger than he was before. Hey ho, plastic and metal implants!
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>>4667177
Big L says don't get Empire Struck
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>>4667169
>Find a test subject for the Lotus Scepter. Perhaps Xue Hong?
A willing subject, or an animal would be preferable before we go out and find an general.
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>>4667184
I too want to uncripple the man even if he still hates Lieren's guts. If anything, if the procedure is a success we could use it to teach future prospective medical experts. Crippled and maimed veterans of wars can return to their families more or less whole and happy, deformed children and adults won't have to be ostracized due to deformities (especially the incestious nobles), injuries that would normally put people in the streets will only keep them bed ridden for a couple of months before they're fresh and ready.
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>>4667211
It's a dream, though I'm unsure if the man will take the offer.
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>>4667169
>Find a test subject for the Lotus Scepter.
Try it with an animal or isolated enemy scouts. There's no need to tip off the Yan leadership about this.
>>4667211
Remember that Kanzeon and the pod that Lieren came in have access to various technologies that we can use once we have build the proper industry.
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>>4667169
By the way, did Kanzeon not reveal anything about the Lotus Scepter?
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Why not bring Kong to the ship? Also when digging up the ship we could use some of the stone to make a memorial for everyone that died.
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>>4667242
Nope, she was kind of distracted by the whole "Why is there an intelligent life form meandering through my body after eons of solitude?"
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>>4667263
we didn't ask questions
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>>4667267
You did, just of the history of Kanzeon herself and mankind (and if she could make herself a mobile body) rather than "hey, how does this thing exactly function"
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>>4667169
>Find a test subject for the Lotus Scepter. Perhaps Xue Hong?
We don't know what it does exactly, and that can be problem.
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>>4667274
Well, lesson learned I guess, not that it was time wasted or anything.
Thankfully Lieren understands the scientific method and the generals of Yan seem to be begging to be made test subjects.
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Well we should find the time to visit Kanzeon and have a chat, probably when the war ends. Talk about what industry is needed to built her a new body and/or release her from the mountain and perhaps use what technologies she has to better the people we liberate.
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>>4667274
>>4667267
*enough* questions
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>>4667274
Did Kanzeon knew where her sisters went? I'm kind of hoping that there's at least a chance to find them later.
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>>4667169
>Yin Aiguo, the more veteran of the two and the elder of the two. He would know doubt, be trusted with unwholesome secrets and truths. And according to Dong's report, he is trailing behind the other armies, patrolling the lands. Easier to find alone, but more dangerous to capture, as his army contains the elite of the northern Yin
a two for one here, take him out of the action and his army crumbles
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>>4667338
>a two for one here, take him out of the action and his army crumbles
Better yet, one of his underlings takes charge and leads the army to ruin.
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>>4667338
Since he is a veteran, he might be a good enough general to have people ready to assume command in case anything happens to him and since his army is full of elites that chance is higher.
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>>4667169
Also putting forward the notion to move Kang Yongui into nicer quarters. Or to at least send him some better food.
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>>4667367
He should at least be getting proper medical treatment for his grievous injuries. Not to mention actual food.
He's very clearly been beaten half to death and near starved. I understand why our soldiers did that, but it's no less shameful to treat a prisoner of war this way.
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>>4667020
Hey thanks, I hope it's decent and you like it.

Dandan guiding titans seems, well, at least better than some of the Collegio Titanica to be frank. Though she seems more suited to a knight house.

>>4667238
Full support. Small scale testing first.
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>>4667507
Plastics, metal plantings screwed in, sewing tendons back together.
We're gonna make cyborgs!
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>>4667169
>Find a test subject for the Lotus Scepter
An animal could be a good start. Perhaps a migratory bird, view from above and travel long distance are a good way to know more about Shangrila too.

>Yin Aiguo, the more veteran of the two and the elder of the two. He would know doubt, be trusted with unwholesome secrets and truths. And according to Dong's report, he is trailing behind the other armies, patrolling the lands. Easier to find alone, but more dangerous to capture, as his army contains the elite of the northern Yin
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>>4667169
>Find a test subject for the Lotus Scepter. Perhaps Xue Hong?
try an animal
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>>4667169
>Yin Aiguo, the more veteran of the two and the elder of the two. He would know doubt, be trusted with unwholesome secrets and truths. And according to Dong's report, he is trailing behind the other armies, patrolling the lands. Easier to find alone, but more dangerous to capture, as his army contains the elite of the northern Yin
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Alright, calling the vote now.

Hunt Yin Aiguo for his memories:5
Find a test subject to learn EXACTLY how the lotus scepter functions: 7
Thinking of it logically... (thought only):1
Move to Kang Yongrui to nicer quarters:1

Total votes 11

So Lieren will first test the Lotus scepter on an animal to discover how it truly functions, and then travel to attempt to catch Yin Aiguo to use the Scepter upon him

Writing now

>>4667399
It's a difficult to deal with bullet wounds, even with the advancements in medicine and care Lieren has brought. Its why Small Chen died.

Kang Yongrui has had medical attention, it's just that his injuries, namely the bullets to his legs and chest, are crippling with the current equipment and medical knowledge available to Lieren's trained medics, though without these advancements, the wounds would've been deadly by way of infection and attempted amputations.

>>4667507
It's good so far
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>>4667999
I’m hoping 11th Primarch quest goes the route of piracy and brings in Pacific islander culture (mana, cannibalism, big man politics, etc.).
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>>4668019
Let's keep the focus on Friend Lieren here.
>>4667999
Whew. Experimentation on an animal first makes me feel a bit better.
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However, to use an untested tool for such a vital task would be the height of folly! The Lotus Scepter, how you wish you had the sense of mind to question Kanzeon on its properties, purpose and true abilities. Its function remains unknown to you outside of the most basic of understanding. It can store memories in a physical form, the spheres that can transfer the preserved thoughts directly into another's mind. By a similar mental mechanism to Kanzeon's ability to gaze into living minds, perhaps. You cannot be certain.

Just as you cannot be certain if the process is fatal to the victim stung by the Lotus Scepter's needle, and if the victim is not killed then would the memory be merely copied or would it be outright torn from their mind, removing it from their recollection entirely? And what determines which memory is taken and enshrined? Could there be a method to take a specific memory or fragment of knowledge, or will it without distinction pluck the last thought or experience from its victims mind?

It is a tangled web of variables and unknown factors. To be able to wield the Lotus Scepter properly, this web of mystery must be solved and undone. Which will require testing and subjects to endanger to discover the exact function and method that allows the Scepter to perform the wondrous act of turning mere memories into a tangible state that does not degrade or fade away with the passing of time.

No doubt, it would be easy to find willing volunteers for this exact purpose. Your followers and friends alike are ever confident and trusting. But the possibility of taking one of their lives simply to better understand a singular tool, a lone piece of arcane technology, is not a chance you;'re willing to gamble upon. The price that may be paid, is simply too great. It'd be thoughtless and cruel.

Even experimenting on prisoners far more detestable and vile than the noble Kang Yongru, would be unthinkable. Even a man as low as Xue Hong, deserves better treatment than being carelessly threatened with a tortuous end merely to broaden your own understanding and knowledge of the tool that may drain away not only his memory but his life itself.

Pondering how to overcome the moral obstacle standing in the way of your research, you pull the Lotus Scepter itself from the bag hanging upon your side, and run your thumb down its length. Silver and gold intermingled, lightening and darkening as the two contrasting metals dance and curl around each other, like drops of ink poured into clear water.

The blossom upon its end remains motionless, and inactive, without a source from which to draw memories out of it sits inert as it always has.

Catching a glimpse of your own reflection in its polished surface, you find the answer to the quandary halting your progress as your gaze meets itself.

An animal. Though it will be as cruel as using the scepter upon your fellow man, it will be easier to justify endangering a mere beast.
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>>4668257

For if the scepter does indeed require a life to fuel it, then the life of an animal would not be wasted upon it. A swine, ox or cliffjumper that is destined to be slaughtered. Easy to aquire than a wild beast such as a panther or ape, an neither so wasteful. A simple answer to a hard question.

Smiling, you stow the ancient tool back within the satchel at your side, and leave Mao castle to find a sizeable source of test subjects to answers the questions lingering in your mind and at last banish the mysteries surrounding the Lotus Scepter.
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"So, what is the meaning of this?" Half Jaw Hu complains as he leads an aged Ox to the lonely cliffside pond, where the bones of the wicked Mao still hang so close to its shore "if you wanted beef, you did not have to butcher the beast yourself. Though I know how you prefer to do all work with your own hands, brother Lieren"

"You're just whining because you chose the short straw and had to deal with that cantankerous old bull" Shaved Head Wei jokes as he leads a very gentle mannered cliff jumper alongside the aged cattle and his fellow brother of the panther.

"Be thankful, brothers" Jiang cackles, pinching his nose in a show of comical dramatics, as the swine he holds the reigns of snorts and grunts, struggling against its leash "That your wards do not smell as putridly of mine"

"A small mercy I suppose" Hu grumbles, as his charge nearly drags him to the ground as it struggles and fights him to reach the crystal clear waters of the pond "But, may I ask why we had to fetch these beasts? You don't mean to make a farm out of Mao castle, surely?"

"You shall understand my need for these creatures shortly, my friend" You say, struggling to not chuckle at your friend's expense or Jiang's antics "For they shall help deepen my understanding of a certain tool I've come across in my travels, that if I am able to ascertain its use and function will provide much assistance in the coming days of the war"

"A weapon?" Jiang asks curiously, as the swine he led begins to root through tufts of grass, searching for sustenance hidden beneath the damp soil

"No, Lieren does not test his weapons upon living creatures, Jiang" Wei says, scratching his chin as the docile cliffjumper he fetched for you vies for his attention

"It is true, he always brings a new sharpened blade against a bundle of straws or mats, rather than flesh and bone" Hu agrees, grunting as he digs his heels into the ground using all of his might to stop himself from being dragged away to the pond by the cantankerous old ox.

You nod, pulling the Lotus Scepter carefully from the satchel that contains the various tools you require in your lonesome travels.

"I do not believe it to be a weapon, though it may be able to be employed as such" You say, stepping to the stubborn ox's side as it continues its battle of wills and strength with Hu.
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>>4668261

It is blind to your presence, until the very moment you wrap your fingers around its thick and powerful neck and squeeze with just enough force to still the beast while not injuring it.

"A demonstration, will help you understand my friends, this scepter in my hands is a most curious device. I myself, am blind to its true abilities. Thus, I must study its use" You say, lifting up the Lotus Scepter above your head, as you search for the area upon the Oxen's back that will cause the least amount of pain and stress when it's stabbed through by the scepter's needle.

"However" You say grimly, as your three friends watch both mystified and horrified by the strange rod you hold in your hands "to commence my research of the Lotus Scepter, as I have named this device, I require a living creature with which to carry out my experimentation. Now, I am not entirely certain what shall happen next, but Hu?"

"Yes Lieren?" Hu replies through the many missing teeth that gave him the epithet half jaw to begin with

"If the Ox dies, you'll be given the choicest cuts of its meat in return for the labor you performed in bringing it to me" You say kindly, making the man smile warmly in return "Now stand back, all three of you, for safety"

"Understood" Wei says with a polite nod, Jiang and Hu following him as he steps away from you and the now thoroughly panicked ox

"It isn't going to pop, like an overfilled waterskin, is it? or a fat fried rat?" Jiang questions meekly, dread and horror apparent in both his expressions and eyes

You simply shrug, and plunge the needle into a scar upon the old ox's back, knowing that the nerves beneath and around the tissue will be damaged and thus the needle shall inflict less pain upon the stubborn and foul tempered beast.

The ox bellows and screams, before falling silent. It gazes silently ahead, its eyes filled with confusion and pain. A strange, foggy white substance begins to gather along the length of the Lotus Scepter, condensing into drops of milky white liquid that is absorbed by the metal itself.

After a few moments, that are filled with the confused yells of your three loyal friends, you pull the needle from the Ox's hide.

The beast falls to the ground, its legs giving out as it lets out a mournful bray. It glances its head around weakly, braying again and again in great distress. Its confused and frightened.

"A Magical tool!" Jiang cries out in astonishment, covering his mouth with one hand.

"A strange device" Hu corrects, as he had often guarded the entrance to the chamber of the mechanical egg that was your "mother"

"What is it doing, how is the metal moving by its own will?" Wei questions, sounding rarely disconcerted as the Lotus on top of the scepter begins to turn slowly.

Jiang shrieks and falls over as the rubbery yet glass like substance begins to flow from the pin prick holes in the center of the gold and silver lotus.
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>>4668262

"Courts above" Wei mutters as Hu just stares in quiet bemusement, more focused on the reactions of his peers the scepter itself.

Slowly, the Memory core coalesses and assumes its final form, a thin band of metal growing around its middle as it floats unassisted above the "lotus petal" that created it.

In the span of a breath, it falls directly into your hand and begins to glow.

A scene plays before your mind as the core glows dimly white. You are seeing through the eyes of the old ox, and feel a great sense of annoyance and irritation. There's an intruder in your field, not the old white haired man, but a strange trespasser with an odd hide. That is the simplistic thought that fills your mind.

And sure enough, Hu comes into view, cautiously approaching "you" as thoughts of violence and feelings of animalistic anger flash through your mind.

You laugh, as you see the trials Hu had to go through to capture this Ox, and you laugh even more raucously when you see the old farmer the Ox had "thought" of, laughing at your friends expense as well.

It's an odd feeling, feeling the thoughts of a lower creature among your own and seeing the world through their eyes. But it is not disconcerting or painful.

The Scene continues on for sometime after Hu's battle with the irate bull, and details the old Ox's desire to escape and rage that it was being taken from its home field and blind thoughtless panic that it would be eaten by predators.


"How strange" You say, as you see yourself standing before the gaze of the ox "How utterly strange"

"What happened?" Hu groans, sitting on the ground "What did I just see? did that ball do that? I feel defiled"

"I think I'm going to vomit!" Jiang cries "I was an ox!"

"No wonder the old bull hates Hu so much, such rough handling" Wei says with a weak chuckle

The Ox brays again, clearly having lost its memory of coming to this pond and meeting Hu. Which proves that the scepter removes memory entirely. But that it does not kill the subject of its theft. However, it also proves that the knowledge it takes is decided by the thoughts of its victims the moment their skin is pierced through by the needle.

Which will make gathering information from an unwilling subject, somewhat troublesome. But not impossible.

What will you do next, Lieren?
> Move onto human test subjects
> Tell the Vishnu, both wild and civilized, that you require their aid and use them to Lure Yin Aiguo closer to the Border and further away from the other armies. None of your enemies after all, realize you employ Vishnu.
>Make a game out of the memory cores, to try and make it up to your three friends for the unsettling experience of seeing the world through an Ox's eyes
>Journey to the lands of the northern Yin, and begin to prepare a trap for the elder general.
>write in?
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>>4668264
>Prepare a trap.

Leave the vishnu to their own devices and our generals actions.
But it's easy to get what we need. Ask them why they are taking the children and stab him.
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>>4668264
>Journey to the lands of the northern Yin, and begin to prepare a trap for the elder general.
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>>4668264
>Journey to the lands of the northern Yin, and begin to prepare a trap for the elder general.
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>>4668264
Pet the poor confused ox to calm it

>Make a game out of the memory cores, to try and make it up to your three friends for the unsettling experience of seeing the world through an Ox's eyes
Sooooo who wants to know what it feels like to fight like a primarch? We could do a couple of demonstrations. It's all in good fun. We'll do some moves, stick ourself, and they can feel/see it.
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>>4668264
Courts above indeed.

>Journey to the lands of the northern Yin, and begin to prepare a trap for the elder general.
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>>4668264
> Move onto human test subjects
Specifically Xue Hong. While I am hesitant to do this, we are going to use it on a human anyway and it would be prudent to have some experience. We could make him lose any memories that he didn't like for example.
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>>4668264
>> Move onto human test subjects
we need to know how to effectively use this as an interrogation tool
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>>4668264
>Journey to the lands of the northern Yin, and begin to prepare a trap for the elder general.
So either librarian was alredy dying because of his wounds, or he extracted so much knowldge at once that it was fatal.
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>>4668356
the impaling of his chest was a little. . . hint.
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>>4668264
> Move onto human test subjects
How do we do this humanely?
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>>4668337
>>4668366
Test it on Lieren
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To the people voting to go the the northern Yin, could any of you explain the need to rush this? While I understand wanting to move forward with the story, since the whole point of this is to use a tool we have no experience with on an unwilling target with possible time constraints, isn't it better to do a little experimenting first? It doesn't seem it would take a lot of time so why should we skip it?
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>>4668443
Because as far as I am concerned, we've got what we need to find out about the item [it doen't kill] and now all we need do is kidnap the noble and we can use him to our hearts content.

While more experimenting would likely help, it is ultimately superfluious.
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>>4668430
I hesitantly support this. With the caveat that we have someone that can handle the test that we trust. We would have to be really smart about it, but overall this is the best option if we want to further test it.
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>>4668448
Perhaps though remember there is always a chance for a plan not working the way we intended to, although i guess if we fail the kidnapping we could figure something else instead. If we test it on an unwilling prisoner first however, we would know better how to trick future targets into thinking what we want to extract from them.
>>4668457
We have Xue Hong for an unwilling human target(which would be what we want to later use it on).
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>>4668443
Human experimention seems too much for too litle.
I'm not making Lieren into a self-righteous autistic dick, the emperor is already enough for the whole galaxy.
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>>4668264
>>Journey to the lands of the northern Yin, and begin to prepare a trap for the elder general.
changing to this, I think we have enough info to work with actually
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>>4668533
So human experimentation is bad yet using it on unwilling people without knowing how exactly it works is not bad?
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>>4668533
Given that it's just getting pricked with a needle, it isn't cruel or self righttious if they willingly partake in it.

if it caused terrible pain, maybe.
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Is there a reason to not use to lotus on Lieren?
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>>4668557
Until we know how it works on humans it carries the danger of losing memories we don't want to lose I guess.
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>>4668557
Why take out our own memories
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>>4668628
Why not?
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>>4668638
it's removing part of our memories, it could be a sentimental one, or one that we should not be forgetting such as the name or face of an otherwise insignificant enemy we slew.
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>>4668642
that wouldn't be much of an issue as we have a better idea on how the device works, and we know the memories can be reexperienced once the Lotus is done processing them.
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I'd rather keep hold of the Lotus until Big E comes, then hand it off to him for studying or destruction

Unless you guys have better ideas
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>>4668646
We could go back to the ship and ask, or test it on ourself, or just stab another human multiple times until we get the info we want.
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>>4668646
Study it together with the rest of the archeotech under khazeon supervision.
There could be a safer method, or have more uses for it.
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>>4668646
Not interested in destroying a precious one-of-a-kind artifact like this and the lotus staff is useful to our legion for information gathering without killing people and eating their brains.
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>>4668264
>Journey to the lands of the northern Yin, and begin to prepare a trap for the elder general.
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>Write in
>Pay for the oxen and give it a comfy home for it has done a service to the rebellion by teaching us this.

Then whatever, i just wanna help the moo
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>>4668918
Help the cow
Do it now.
Supporting.
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>>4669045
PET THE COW
DO IT NOW
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>>4668918
i'll support this write in as well
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>>4669045
P E T
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>>4668264
>Journey to the lands of the northern Yin, and begin to prepare a trap for the elder general.

>>4668918
Support. And pet it.
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>>4668918
Support.

P E T T H E O X E N
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>>4668918
Support, for our bovine friend
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Pet the cow and use one of our more mundane but still awesome memories to show those around us what it's like to be lieren, like that time we started jumping as high as we could just cuz we felt like it, or constructed the walls around nothing by ripping trees straight from the ground for lumber
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Actually what are the memories made of and is there something else we can use them for?
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I wonder what Malal is going to think of our new friend Mister Ox.

Honestly getting Heilung vibes of "We are all brothers we are all sisters" going on here.
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>>4669451
He's still an animal, we'll consume him when the time is right, but he has done us a service and deserves a reward, he's not equal to humans, but that's not a reason to not reward the being when it does good
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Amusingly enough, this experience might jump start the desire for vegaratianism.

After all, knowing and even having experienced a creature having fealings would make people question their need to eat said beings. (note im not advocating for it, just pointing out the experience).
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>>4669500
wow i mangled that. Vegetarianism.
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>>4669500
Lieren understands the cycle of life, he wouldn't turn away from meat because of that.
Also treating animals well is already part of the Journey, so I don't think this event would change that much.
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>>4669500
Nah brah. Meat is still pretty awesome. You just gonna be nice to the meat so it taste better when they get too old.
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>>4668264
Is Lieren big enough to pick up the ox and put it in his lap like a small dog? Aawwweee yeah I wanna give that old some bitch some pat pats!
https://youtu.be/8wC3Y7MuRts
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>>4669569
>>4669582
If anything he might end up leaning a little Native North American and thank the animal for allowing itself to be killed and consumed.
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Calling the vote now

Prepare a trap for Yin Aiguo:8
Make a game out of the memory cores:1
Move onto human test subjects:2
pay for and give the Cantankerous old ox a comfortable:6
Test the Lotus scepter on yourself:2

Total votes:14

Which means, adopting the oxen barely manages to join setting off to make a trap for Yin Aiguo!

Which Lieren shall do

Writing now

>>4669451
I mean, it fits Lieren's character and his depths of empathy.
And it's amusing in the sense that people were talking about Lieren getting a pet fog panther and now he has an aged Ox as "Pet"
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>>4670032
>Russ strolls up with his massive man eating wolves.
>Magnus rolls up with his totally not demons.
>Lieren pulls up with a bull older than some custodians

And nobody can bring themselves to address the Ox in the room
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>>4670032
YAY!
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>>4670032
>>4670042
>>4670043
Time to go play Chinese Paul Bunyan
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>>4670042
>Thousands dont want to be rude and mention the stank
>Space wolves wondering if they can eat it
>old ox just want some motha fluffin hay
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The old Ox is our friend now besides OOC his meat is likely rough and tough by now, he spent his days ploughing the fields as we did and now he gave us the key of the memory staff. He has earned his comfortable retirement
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There are of course methods to cause the mind to subconsciously or involuntary focus upon a certain memory or thought. And many of them are quite simple, and rely solely on the nature of the minds of men themselves. However, the method you'll use to harvest the answers you require from the fields of Yin Aiguo's thoughts can wait until after you apprehend the general.

Setting the memory core next to the two others of its kind already in possession, you turn to befuddled Ox who lays by the seren shore of this lonely pond. Then, gingerly, you pat the panicked beast's head and drag your hand down its neck and over its scar covered back. Some of the old wounds on the beast, you recognize as the marks left by starved or young Fog panthers. Though you suppose in this region, it would be more likely that the scars were the work of Tigers or Lions, rather than Panthers. No wonder the beast had such a cantankerous temper and stubbornness. He was an old warrior, taken from the fields he had long defended.

Its impressive such a wounded Ox has survived to such an age. Though it is doubtful he had ever managed to slay a even one of the predators who assailed him, but perhaps he had given them scars of their in return for those they inflicted upon his battle worn hide.

"I am sorry that you had to be subjected to such ill treatment, old fellow" You say gently, as the Ox rises to shaking legs and snorts at you.

You laugh as it tries to intimidate you away, seeing you as simply a new, strange form of predator seeking to take his life.

"Kinder treatment than I ever received from the old man" Hu says ruefully, rubbing one of his legs and then wincing. He touched a bruise too harshly.

"All life deserves respect, even if it is rather ill mannered" You reply as the Ox turns away from your eyes, no doubt affected by the same unease men experience when subjected to your unbroken gaze for too long "Huh, even if it will not give you respect in return"

"Where did you find such a wondrous tool?" Wei asks curiously. You turn to face him, with a gentle smile. Silently telling the hunter you cannot or do not wish to reveal that secret.

He in turn, nods silently and stands at attention, as resolute in his duties as guardian as he has always been, even in such a place as peaceful and unthreatening as this lonesome vale guarded and hidden by towering cliffs.

"For one who is so open, you do keep a lot of secrets, brother" Jiang snorts, shaking his head "Though I for one, am quite content in not knowing where he found such devilish magic, to make one live as a beast of burden does however briefly"

"Unusually poetic, I'd expect your other half to use such phrasing" Wei teases as Jiang grins and rolls his shoulders

"Oh I've heard that enough times from beautiful women, I'd rather not hear it from my friends as well" Jiang says blithely
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>>4670141

"There is a reason for that, Brother Jiang" Hu mutters dismissively, before turning to you and asking in a far humble tone "Lieren, what shall we do with these beasts, since you appear to have no further use for them"

"I could go for a plate or two of fried pork" Jiang says idly, shooting a glance in your direction to try and convince you to merely slaughter to farm animals "Meat tastes better when it's fresh, after all"

"Hu, watch Jiang and ensure he returns his charge to its owner. Wei, you may return to Cliffjumper to the breeder who donated it" You say bluntly, smirking Jakalishly as you bear witness to Jiang's reaction to the order.

"Kaaaaah" He groans, slouching his shoulders and complaining "Brother, kind older brother, do you not trust loyal and humble Jiang?"

You shoot a judging stare in his direction.

"If I pay for it, will you be appeased?" He growls, sighing through his teeth as he admits defeat.

"Certainly, if its owner is willing to make such a transaction" You say happily, smiling warmly as Jiang pouts and generaly makes an attempt to look miserable and destitute. "And Hu, I shall provide whatever the of this stubborn old laborer requires in compensation in return for the ownership of the stubborn beast?"

"We can find a young ox, if you're craving a cut of beef, Lieren. This one's meat, like its heart, is tough and unpalatable from years of ploughing fields and scared from surviving in a world that had not yet known your touch" Hu replies humbly, falling to one knee as he speaks, placing a hand over his heart "I would be happy to find an Ox of higher quality if you asked of me such a duty?"

"I don't intend to eat the old fellow, I intend to give it a comfortable life and safe haven away from the dangers of the wild and work of the fields" You say simply, before chuckling and giving your head a quick shake "Have the three of you been fed well recently? your minds seem strangely keen on the subject of food"

Wei's composure breaks, and he cackles as Hu's face turns a bright shade of peach. Jiang just smiles.

"I have quite the appetite, elder brother!" He boasts, smacking his stomach

"the fault lies in that monkey, his obsession corrupted my mind" Hu says mockingly, which Jiang replies to with a rude gesture.

The tranquility surrounding the forgotten pond is dashed away by your loud and boisterous laughter.

Upon Shangrala,
is there any joy purer,
than that in friendship?

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>>4670143
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How shall you attempt to trap Yin Aiguo, Lieren?
>Find, or create a followers of the Journey, and embolden them to spread its lessons and be noticed, while remaining close by. The Yan will, of course be unable to ignore these "Dissidents", and thus, Yin Aiguo will walk directly into your open palm.
>Methodically pick off encampments of the Yan army, and disguise the assaults as Bandit activity, to draw Yin Aiguo further away from the other two armies.
>Calculate the next village you could intercept Yin Aiguo at, and while you wait for the general to arrive to recruit men for his army, appear from "Nothing"
>There is no need to employ delicate or cumbersome tactics. You are a hunter, stalk your prey and find an opening in his defenses
>Write in?

Sorry for the short update, didn't have much to say this time
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>>4670146
>Calculate the next village you could intercept Yin Aiguo at.
>Stalk him to find an opening in his defences.

Get a good look at his forces and their dispositions, then make for the next village and ambush him there so we know what to expect.
If he enters the village himself to talk, the man is as good as done for since he has no defences and we can move faster than anyone else can blink.
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>>4670146
>>Methodically pick off encampments of the Yan army, and disguise the assaults as Bandit activity, to draw Yin Aiguo further away from the other two armies.
>>Stalk him to find an opening in his defences.
Time to hunt.
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>>4670146
>Methodically pick off encampments of the Yan army, and disguise the assaults as Bandit activity, to draw Yin Aiguo further away from the other two armies.
>Stalk him to find an opening in his defences.
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>>4670146
>>There is no need to employ delicate or cumbersome tactics. You are a hunter, stalk your prey and find an opening in his defenses
don't wanna waste time.

>side note
One of my favorite updates in recent memory. I can remember being a little itchy to get to the war back when we were building the road and now that we're knee deep in it this moment of levity was really comfy.
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>>4670146
>Calculate the next village you could intercept Yin Aiguo at, and while you wait for the general to arrive to recruit men for his army, appear from "Nothing"
PET THE COW!
DO IT NOW!
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>>4670146
I heard that japanese steak is made by feeding their cows with some bits of barley or alcohol, in addition to massaging them. Could we so the same so the bull's meat is palatable when he naturally dies?
Can we make a cow scratching post for him?
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>>4670177
No eating old Oxy
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>>4670185
He's gonna die anyways. It's only natural to eat him when he dies of old age.

Speaking of the old goat (bull), should we cover his horns so he doesnt gore anyone on accident?
https://youtu.be/aeOVE9jjk0o
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As much as i want to do something more cunning we are actually on a time table, our Generals are waiting on us for this information and the sooner we can get it the better they can plan. I propose thus..

>Write in?
Find a path to intercept him and await where he would make camp, then in the dead of night having already been there snatch him from his command tent, take all his memories and end him making the body look like a suicide. Fuck their moral up and leave them asking questions.
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>>4670146
>Calculate the next village you could intercept Yin Aiguo at, and while you wait for the general to arrive to recruit men for his army, appear from "Nothing"
>There is no need to employ delicate or cumbersome tactics. You are a hunter, stalk your prey and find an opening in his defenses
Just another of Lieren's operations, nothing to see here
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>>4670185
His body shall one day be not more than nourishment, whether for us or for the grounds he plowed is unimportant
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>>4670174
that's true Lieren didn't pet the cow.
>demand must be met
>>4670189
>>4670221
we should find it a female and make it our 'pet project' no pun intended.
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>>4670146
Let's do this:
>>4670161
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>>4670208
And what are we going to do if he turns out to be a virtuous person?
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>>4670168
Backing this. It works.
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>>4670319
damn that a good point, we should be able to smooth it over
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>>4670319
have a chat with him in his tent duh, though us pulling his mind out might not help
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secondly he is a fox and may well lie, we cant rely on our eyes forever.
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>>4670285
it might be a little too old for that.
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>>4670161
Support
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>>4670146
>>Calculate the next village you could intercept Yin Aiguo at, and while you wait for the general to arrive to recruit men for his army, appear from "Nothing"
>>There is no need to employ delicate or cumbersome tactics. You are a hunter, stalk your prey and find an opening in his defenses
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>>4670371
Firstly we haven't found a regular human who can hide his feelings/lie to Lieren when he looks at them, only people who can resist his stare like Kang. Secondly he is not a fox(one of the Yan family) but a qilin(one of the northern Yin). Lastly if he is a virtuous person, can we really kill him in his tent like what you described?
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>>4670623
No if he is virtuous and decides to join us he can walk out and change the orders clean and simple
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>>4670623
And yeah, we could kill him if needs be. He is still a general of the Yan, his death actively helps the war effort, virtuous or not.
It'd be nice to convert him with silver tongue but if not. . . Well
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>>4670143
That haiku is just too good.

>>4670146
>Calculate the next village you could intercept Yin Aiguo at.
>Stalk him to find an opening in his defences.
We shall not give his army any warning and we will spirit him away for interrogation. His thoughts and memories will be prompted by our line of questioning at which point we will inject the Lotus Sceptre and draw an orb. We can knock him out while we review the memory, repeating until we have what we need and have a judge on his character from his responses.
His savagery will be our guide.

>>4670174
pet the cow. Give it boots.
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>>4670710
It's a senryū, not a haiku
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>Calculate the next village you could intercept Yin Aiguo at, and while you wait for the general to arrive to recruit men for his army, appear from "Nothing"
>There is no need to employ delicate or cumbersome tactics. You are a hunter, stalk your prey and find an opening in his defenses
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Guess its been a slow day huh?
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>>4671408
It’s been pretty slow on a couple quests I’m in for awhile now
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>>4671455
*I wonder if there’s less traffic on /qst/ now or something
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>>4671455
True

>The town of Nothing, the original home of the Primarch Lieren preserved by the 2nd Legion (and Post Heresy the Chapter of the same name)
>As the site of the growth of one of the Emperor's sons, it is a popular pilgrimage point for not only the planet of Shangrala, but even its Sector and beyond as the faithful come from all across the galaxy by the millions at a minimum to pay respects
>It does not need to be said that the 2nd Legion/Chapter and the Shangrala System/Sector have made good use of the town and generated much revenue of the millennia
>Possibly the most important aside fro mthe obvious shrine/tomb of Lieren is that of his adoptive father's own tomb
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>>4671455
>>4671465
/qst/ has never been a particularly busy board. Chances are Malal is enacting the rite of percussive maintenance in an attempt to get an update out.
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>>4671481
Yeah that’s true but it seems like we had a bump in traffic from the banner that’s now fizzling out
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>>4671504
Eeehhh, usually this thread in specific is pretty active as long as there's something to talk about. But this time, there isn't
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>>4671866
Got any idea?
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Calling the vote now: sorry for the wait.

Calculate the next village you could intercept Yin Aiguo at:8
Stalk Yin Aiguo to find an opening in his defences:10
Methodically pick off encampments of the Yan army, and disguise the assaults as Bandit activity:2
Find a path to intercept him, then strike at the dead of night:1

So, Lieren will stalk Yin Aiguo, to find an opening in his defenses and calculate the next village he could intercept him and his army at.

Writing now

>>4670169
Glad you enjoyed it

>>4671476
Nice
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>>4672095
Glad you liked it

I have more ideas, but they're dependant on what happens during the quest
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Your second departure from your army, is met with little fanfare. These men, who share your dream of a better, kinder world who would give their lives to further spread prosperity, men and women who you count as not only faithful allies and brothers in arms but the truest of friends do not complain or beg you to reconsider the path you have chosen to take. As you understand their plights, feelings, virtues and failings alike, so to do they understand your nature. Before you became the leader of a benevolent, selfless rebellion, you were a but a humble administrator, but before even then, before men sung of a kind giant with golden eyes and hair the hue of iron, you were a hunter.

And a hunter you remain. Your reasoning for undertaking another lonesome journey, has already been given to the leaders of your men, your most trusted and veteran aids and advisors. And they understood why you must leave, to stalk a quarry no man has yet hunted before. Qilin. None call the fear that lurks within your heart cowardice, for it is felt for others. Others who have no hope of defending themselves against those who have taken them as captives. For the majority of them, feel the same creeping dread that has afflicted you.

It is understood, the task you now set out to see done, is necessary. Even if it may threaten to deprive the army of your leadership upon the eve of perhaps the most pivotal battle of the war against tyranny. To stand against the old fox without the giant, even with so many living legends of their own standing beside them, is a daunting prospect for even the bravest of souls. Even after giving your word, that you shall do all in your power to return in time to lead the confrontation with Yan Zihao's forces, their still lingers an air of uncertainty and worry, like a miasma of rotting death hanging over the minds and hearts of your men.

You trust that, if it comes to it, Daiyu will be able to achieve victory and thus regain the honor of her families name, so tainted by her father and his predecessors. That the twin dragons of Gao will snatch the old fox within their jaws, heroic and noble once more, free of the taint of the past.

Oh the song they'd sing of such a victory. However, the unease that has come with the realization that your army must indeed test their fangs against Yan Zihao's, despite the superiority of the weapons they hold, the leadership of such tactical masterminds as the four kings of war, the overwhelming firepower fielded by Shan and Dandan's Artillery regiments, The reinforcements from Dai and the Wild Vishnu, the nigh unbreakable supply chain you yourself have constructed and the simple yet crucial fact that the Yan's forces and morale has been devastated at every turn.

The fact, that with all of these advantages your men still believe defeat is a possibility truly shows the sheer mastery of warfare and tactical acumen that Yan Zihao has cultivated through his long life.
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>>4672226

It is obvious, that a not insubstantial number of your men believe that you alone can defeat Yan Zihao's army and achieve victory over the last of the Tyrant Yan's bulwarks. You, the Giant who can work without pause or rest for entire weeks, you who have slain Magical beasts and wicked spirits, you whose strength is so vast that steel bends and break with the same ease other men snap sticks between their fingers.

To believe they need a man of your physical and martial prowess, truly speaks of the monster Yan Zihao is within their minds and the reverence they still hold for the man even though he is an enemy.

But even so, not a single complaint is raised for all who have heard of the Yan's treachery understand that this is a duty you must undertake. All men know Lieren's heart is softest around children, that there is nothing that can enrage him as deeply as the abuse or sorrow of children. You simply must know what the Yan plan for their captives.

So, your departure is accompanied by well wishes, cheers and prayers for your safe travels. Aruna, Rudra, Manu, Kamikashi, and Akanksha stand with their warriors to see you off with songs of your greatness and declarations of their deepest respect and admiration for the cause you are leaving to fight for. Zian and Rong, the unofficial heads of your personal guards, offer to accompany you and upon refusal swear to symbolically raise their spears in support of your quest every night until your return.

Feng and the other brothers of the panthers, fly your banner as you begin to leave for the border, a chorus of Lai riders carrying them onward, singing passages from the Journey loud enough to reach the heavens themselves. You hear from Liang that Shan and Dandan had to have be restrained from sending you off by turning a nearby peak into a valley. It is almost as if you are receiving the farwell usually reserved for royalty.

But instead of bristling at the connection, as you often do when you are referred to as Lord Lieren, you are instead filled with pride and renewed hope and purpose. They all trust you completely and totally, they would march to the very depths of hell at your command. You cannot fail, not only for the sake of the people of Yan, but for the sake of your friends and followers.

So, you cross the border into the lands of the Northern Yin, in high spirits and upon the back of your Unnamed steed, the only one upon Shangrala capable of carrying a man of your stature and weight
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The lands of the Northern Yin are fertile and rich with life, Summer rains allowing for a rich harvest throughout the lands. Or it would have, if the fields of black soil were not left unattended and the houses that sit above them abandoned. Bones of livestock litter the ground, obviously slaughtered to deprive any invading army of the nutrition their meat would have provided .
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>>4672229

Posters depicting monstrous caricatures of yourself and your most renowned followers cover the roads and buildings you pass by.

Rain washed paintings depicting hellish sights, of horse legged men devouring the flesh of women or committing other, even more reprehensible acts upon them and corpses of men. Half panther beasts born and forged from the fog itself, welding metal staffs and wands that unleash the very force of death itself, here depicted as skulls shrouded in the blackest of smoke and green flames. Devils and wicked spirits puppeting unwilling servants to march forward against noble and stalwart soldiers dressed in the Yan customary and royal colors, Gold and White. Some scenes you can even recognize despite their twisted nature.

The death of Gao Liwei, turned into a poisoning of a naive and weak willed man by a trickster ogre with iron skin and darker hair, and baleful golden eyes disguised as a man, Cui Fu and Tao Song's corpses hanging from the rafters as grizzly half decayed trophies.
The Siege of Zhou Castle, a heroic last stand against an onslaught of winged beasts and evil spirits reinforced by living but enthralled men.
The Siege of Dai Castle and Betrayal of Dai Niu, a horde of drowned spirits and fish and human monstrosities rise from the lake and derive sick pleasure from tormenting innocent farmers and their wives, while a decrepit and wicked looking caricature of Dai Niu bargains with a scaled and gilled depiction of Jinhai, who has a mouth of knife like teeth and eyes like a carp.

You make a habit of defacing and tearing down these painted lies, whenever they come to defile you eyesight. However, such wicked libel serves as a convenient track to mark the passing of your enemies, in this land that would otherwise appear entirely empty of human life, alongside the state of decay of the slaughtered livestock

The Propaganda changes, adapts, and worsens, the deeper into the Qilin's territory you venture. The defeat of the Xue armies, shown here as a literal storm of fire incinerating an entire field of warriors, as a few bedraggled survives limp away from the carnage. A scene they should not know of, for the only survivors were captured and needed to be treated for shock and psychological damage.

While Xue Hong's capture shows the ogre they have turned you into in the minds of their peasantry, merely tipping over the tower than according to reports, Shan blasted to pieces with a single well aimed volley of canonfire. And again, unlike the siege of Zhou or Dai, no survivors escaped back to the Yan army. The Defeat of Kang Yongrui, it is plausible that some survivors managed to limp away from the carnage undetected, but you are certain that is not the case for the two brothers of Xue.

How mysterious, and unnerving. As it would indicate that there is a turncoat or informant among your allies, unlikely as it may be.
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>>4672231

Or, worse the Yan have a mean of spying without being detected or of viewing events they have no way of witnessing otherwise.

Which is also, thankfully, unlikely as if they did indeed have such a device or even sorcery that could allow them to see without being seen themselves, why wouldn't they have used it to counter your attacks?

Another unknown variable to plague your mind. But after seven days of travel, near a week of uninterrupted riding, you close in upon Yin Aiguo and his army. The horizon becomes veiled not only by fog, but by smoke piercing through it. Pinpricks of light pierce through the night.

You had been careful to avoid the outposts they had left behind, manned by the minimal garrison to hold the hastily constructed fortifications or forts that dotted the land as if the Yan had a means of sending and receiving information between vast distances it would be most unwise to risk being discovered.

Cautiously, you trailed the elder Yin general's army, staying far beyond their vision in the fog and relying solely on your honed perception to spy upon them.

Clearly, by the organization and marching formations of the men, it was a force primarily composed of the elite, of trained and drilled men accustomed to war and death.

Armed with steel armor and weapons, expensive to produce outside of Vishnu forges or your own constructions, their weaponry and armor ornate and gilded with gold. Needlessly gaudy. These are true soldiers, like the forces you have cultivated for your army.

And most disturbing, in the dawn, you've heard a few isolated roars that could only be firearms. More primitive than those you craft and field, but firearms nonetheless.

Thus proving your prediction that your enemies would eventually seek to bridge the gap between their armies and your own. Thankfully, you had foreseen this exact development and prepared accordingly, by creating a new breed of armor, fueled by the tragedy of Small Chen's death.

At first, it would seem that Yin Aiguo has no weaknesses. For he is a veteran and has studied you as you have studied him. How he camps his army, is peculiar and designed solely to combat your favoured method of dealing with troublesome opponents. To discourage and ward off infiltrators, the center of the camp is the most heavily fortified while the edges are barely if at all defended.

A cunning trap, but one you shall not fall for. For you have found a weakness within this defense of his. Namely that of the human body. While their is clearly a rotation of guards as one group is exhausted and replaced with another. There is a period between night and dawn, a fifth of an hour at most, where the defenses are unmanned and unguarded.

A perfect chance to strike and steal away Yin Aiguo.
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>>4672233

However, this gap in his defense can be widened further, for one of the few remaining populated villages lies just ahead of the Northern Yin's army. You have seen it as you circled around it upon Cui Fu's horse in the midst of your stalking.

It would present an even great opportunity to snatch a hold of the Qilin's neck and escape unharmed and unseen.

For, they must keep the lie that they are protecting the Woman and Children they take captive from a gluttonous, wrathful and hedonistic ogre. So, it stands to reason they will break off a portion of their force to escort their captives to wherever they are being taken and rest for a period to integrate their volunteers, stretching their defenses somewhat thinner.

It is in this period of "rescue" and "recruitment" that Yin Aiguo will be at his most vulnerable.

How shall you try to kidnap, Yin Aiguo.
>Strike at Dawn, as his men approach the village, riding to catch Yin Aiguo as he rides to the village while his army is preparing
>Cause a distraction within his camp, to divert the attention of his men, and take him as he is left unguarded.
>Sneak into the village, and reveal yourself with a song. The chaos to follow, while dangerous, will be perfect to catch Yin Aiguo by surprise
>Wait for the Women and Children to be gathered, and the new forces to be led back to the army, and then, while their attentions are divide, kidnap Yin Aiguo from his tent.
>write in

Also, in return for the shout out Old man gave me and this quest, I shall give one in return and urge you lads to check out 11th primarch quest if you haven't already.
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>>4672240
Forgot to put a Lieren after the
How will you kidnap Yin Aiguo? there
Forgive me
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>>4672240
>>Strike at Dawn, as his men approach the village, riding to catch Yin Aiguo as he rides to the village while his army is preparing
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>>4672240
>>Strike at Dawn, as his men approach the village, riding to catch Yin Aiguo as he rides to the village while his army is preparing
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>>4672240
>Strike at Dawn, as his men approach the village, riding to catch Yin Aiguo as he rides to the village while his army is preparing
So either a mole or a psyker, eh?
The possibility of daemon summoning worsens.
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>>4672240
>Strike at Dawn, as his men approach the village, riding to catch Yin Aiguo as he rides to the village while his army is preparing
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>>4672240
>Strike at dawn

They are not getting their hands on this village. And when we snatch him from their arms, they shall give chase and be hamstrung.
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>>4672240
>>Strike at Dawn, as his men approach the village, riding to catch Yin Aiguo as he rides to the village while his army is preparing
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>>4672295
If it happens I called it.
>>>/tg/77738944
Also I think you all will like this thread.
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>Strike at dawn

The potential for a mole is worrying. Make like a Nobunaga and spread disinfo to figure out who
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>>4672240
>>Strike at Dawn, as his men approach the village, riding to catch Yin Aiguo as he rides to the village while his army is preparing
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>>4672414
Or we could just sit everyone down and give them a good long look.
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>>4672240
>Strike at Dawn, as his men approach the village, riding to catch Yin Aiguo as he rides to the village while his army is preparing
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>>4672414
True...but at our highest levels? I don't know about that. Our generals are all handpicked, yes? A lot of them seem to be previous Panther Brothers.
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I’m going to point out we could just pull out of Yin Aiguo’s mind how they’ve been gathering information. Also I wonder if we could use Kanzeon’s medical facilities to make converting adults into space marines viable.
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>>4672785
It doesn't need to be one of our generals, just an advisor or some lower officer could leak the information by what we seem so far.
Probably isn't a disgruntled noble, since we been vetting them personally, so it's probably some ambitous person or some patriotic veteran.
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>>4672831
Actually, it could be someone that has their family living on the Yan side of the country and is being blackmailed too, so there is a possibility that it's not out of malice.
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If there is a leak within our camp it may be some of the disgruntled surviving family members of the Boar. That or as someone else suggested an unwilling or blackmailed target. We have not actually gone full inquisition and checked out the Midranks whom would be rife with power hungry ladder climbers and more.

Malal could you draw us a really rubbish map on paint or something so I can draw up a full one? Then we can plan with terrain and such
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>>4672240
>Strike at Dawn, as his men approach the village, riding to catch Yin Aiguo as he rides to the village while his army is preparing
Are we sure that this will happen though? It doesn't seem likely that a leader of a Yan army will visit a village personally. If he doesn't we do this:
>Wait for the Women and Children to be gathered, and the new forces to be led back to the army, and then, while their attentions are divide, kidnap Yin Aiguo from his tent.
Which by the way is an easy method to learn where they are taking the hostages though not necessarily why. As for the mole, it might also be a magic ritual that they cannot use constantly to spy on Lieren's army. Also funnily enough, the Yan colors are gold and white like a discussion about Lieren's Legion colors. Probably people will not be keen on using that combination now.
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>>4672892
>there's hope for the gradient scheme
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>>4672892
People want the white and gold because they think looks good, and the story reason for them is just an excuse. Nothing will change.
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>>4672892
I mean let's see what our Legion is rocking first anyways.
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>>4672923
>>4672927
Personally I don't let what other people use for a color scheme to influence my decision. It's just that there were people not liking the blue-purple color scheme because(among other reasons)it was a color scheme given to Lieren by Gao and then many liked the gold-white scheme because it represents purity apparently and now we learn they are the colors of the Yan, so I figured that will make some people not liking it anymore. I am also one of those who would like to wait and see the current colors of Lieren's Legion first.
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>>4672941
Eh....Except, of course, for the fact that White & Gold is like an basic chinese color scheme, whereas Blue-Purple is specifically Gao. Also, it was the one we were using while under service of Gao, so it just brings bad memories all around.
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>>4673037
Buffoons can't seem to stop harping on the purple/blue and how Gao gave it to us even though it's the scheme we're still using now and has become a symbol of hope and prosperity among our lands. Empty words and poor reasoning. You can vote for whichever scheme you want, but don't labor under the delusion like there's any in-universe detriment to the azure and plum.
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>>4673055
Azure and plum, with gold inlay around the photoreceptors is kinko from my view.
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>>4673059
Boy, do I have the shameless self-promotion for you...
The model's visor area can't be painted separately, but golden photoreceptors I think are a close kinographic second. Just like their dad.
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>>4673055
>scheme we're still using now
Where is this said?
> symbol of hope
Big whoop. Tzeentch is the fucking god of hope and shows how awful it can be.
>>4673070
I forgot how shit it looks.
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>>4673074
>Where is this said?
Our robes and the tassel that got burnt off our sword are azure and plum. Presumably our banner is too, there aren't any colors associated with us.
>Don't be hopeful, it's Tzeentchian
Vote to kill some peasants next time to offset how hopeful we've made people. Retard.
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>>4673082
*any other
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>>4673082
Dashing hope is tzeentchian. Abusing optimism is tzeentchian. Blue is also tzeentchian. And most importantly our “philosophy” is dangerously close to being a Chaos religion. This is some tempting fate bullshit right here.
Besides literally anything Lieren wears will get associated with good things, he could start wearing plaid and that would become the symbol of hope.
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>>4673037
>>4673074
If more people just admited it was for aesthethics like this chad >>4672941 it would be a better, since looking good is a completly valid reason, but no, they have to make shit up.
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>>4673107
We've neither dashed hope nor abused optimism. Nor are we planning on doing so. Not sure what you're on about.
Ultrasmurfs are blue and not fallen to Tzeentch, Blood Angels are red and not fallen to Khorne, Salamanders and Dark Angels are/will be green and not fallen to Nurgle. Color =/= Chaos.
Our philosophy is about as far from a chaos as you can get (moderation is central) and not a religion at all. Read the quest before you vote.
And you're right, anything we could've worn would have become the symbol of hope and benevolence. But we didn't wear any other colors, we wore and are still wearing azure and plum.
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>>4673114
Of course regardless what we choose, it's a big galaxy out there and it could be that whatever colors or heraldry we choose, are being used by a civilization to represent absolute evil or something negative so I don't see what we choose as mattering that much from that perspective.
>>4673132
Also the Journey was noted previously to contain the positive aspects of all chaos gods and in the end almost every movement or idea can be corrupted to worship chaos. We just need to be observant about that.
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>>4673175
The positive aspects of the chaos gods are just that. Positive. Hope, honor, life, and love are not some things to be avoided because they fall under the purview of the four. Can the Journey be corrupted by the big four? Yes, of course. Wil it be easy? Not in the slightest. In fact, I see it as more likely becoming a cult of Malal (the god). He's all about denying the big chaos gods what they want, which is the aspects of their domains unfettered and running rampant. The Journey denies them just that. When we see people becoming hyper-ascetic and emotionless in the name of our philosophy, we'll know to reign things back.
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>In fact, I see it as more likely becoming a cult of Malal (the god).
This whole quest is a TRAP!
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>>4673229
I mean, it's already a cult to Malal the QM.
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>>4673186
Maybe but of all the cases of people turning to chaos I have read about(though I'm no expert) most were people being mind-controlled/possessed by daemons rather than corrupted/tempted by chaos in another way. Unless that's more a 40k thing rather than 30k. From what I've seen, it seems to get chaos worshipers you just need to add a warp-infused artifact/location and humans.
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>>4672240
>>4672892
Supporting this contingency plan. If the Yin general personally visits the town then we strike at dawn.
If he remains in base, we wait for army's divided attention. Perhaps also with a distraction, as they have firearms, they must also have gunpowder stores. We could start a fire in base. He would expect us, but he won't be fully guarded while his base is exploding and his men occupied.
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>>4673284
In addition, we can set off some fire works to spook all their horses. I doubt they've yet to fully train their horses to tolerate gunfire.
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>>4673284
If they do have firearms, we should be more careful than usual, as Lieren doesn't seem like he would be unscathed by a cannon, even if it's a primitive one(or explosive devices for that matter).
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>>4673326
we've built armour specifically to guard against gunfire.
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>>4673472
Yes but that doesn't mean we should get hit by it or that a cannon shot won't harm Lieren. I just propose caution. We don't know what trump cards they would employ.
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>>4673326
>forgets about the carapace tier flak armor we made
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>>4672892
Wait...are the Yan forces White & Gold, or Gold & White? There's a big difference.
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>>4673625
Gold and White. It is described at the end of the second paragraph here:
>>4672231
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>>4673717
So gold primary with white secondary? Highlights the decadence and ego of the Yan.

And it would make sense for us to Invert it, with the purity of white taking the forefront
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>>4673759
Don't let the emperor hear you say that.
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>>4673759
It's gold AND white. Not gold WITH white.
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>>4673759
So our scheme's safe then.
>>4673771
Yes, but the first is the main one.
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>>4673938
I'll take sauce with that, Anon.
To use a dreaded capeshit analogy. you can call Iron Man's costume red and gold or gold and red. But Cap's costume you'd call blue with white and red, because one color is more prevalent.
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>>4673954
Iron's Man Costume is red and yellow because red is the main color, so it comes first. It's simply how orders work: You generally say the biggest one first
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>>4674054
The flag of France is red, white, and blue. Red is not the dominant color. It is those three colors in equal portions. The American flag is red, white, and blue, despite white being the most common color. Generalities don't satisfy my desire for sauce, so it looks like you have none to offer.
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>>4674076
The French flag is a white flag.
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>>4674088
Shit, dubs confirm.
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>>4674076
The French Flag is an tricolor, so obviously it's interchangeable. But we're not dealing with tricolors, so there has to be a main color.
>Sauce
Trust me bro
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>>4674121
Your manager will be hearing from me. No man should ever have to go unsauced.
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The guandao is better than the bo staff
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Such bait, no man will take.

For that is not the way of Lieren the hunter, to be drawn into a snare.
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Nothing biting with that bate, boyo. Maybe try something that isn't such a dirty-faced lie.
>>4674153
Sheer pottery, anon.
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>>4674150
Nobody cares single post.
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>>4674150
both is good

chendao + banded staff for the win
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>>4674285
isn't that just the Chendao?
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>>4674489
I assume he means having both in our arsenal.
Regardless, no. Our chendao currently is a primitive guardian spear. If we were to be able to combine the abilities of the two, we'd have a shrinking, expanding, shortening, elongating, replicating guardian spear.
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>>4674516
Yeah you can fuck of with that. Trying to shove million abilities into one weapon is shit, deviantart tier mary sue bullshit which everyone sane mocks.
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>>4674554
If you read my post very carefully, you'll see that I was in no way advocating for it, merely explaining it to someone who asked. Believe me, Anon, I hate mall ninja shit as much as the next guy. After avoiding our legion embracing the panther as much as Wolves did the wolf, the biggest thing I'm trying to prevent is Coldsteel the Primarch.
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>>4674567
I think "Chink Bait" or "Mary Sue" hits closer than Coldsteel. Because that's what everyone would call Listen if he means made canon.
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>>4674623
Well he is a Primarch so to some degree is a Mary Sue and being from space China is chink bait.
>>4674567
Also you have no idea what I’m saying. I’m against having “do anything weapons” not the golden banded staff. Hell I hate combiweapons too.
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Alas, bait was bit and man was snared.
You'd think they would learn their lesson, to avoid their previous mistakes, but when it comes to arguments, nobody puts on the breaks.
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>>4674641
What you were arguing against was clear. "It" in my post was referring to the banded staff/chendao hybrid.
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>>4674641
Hey, hey, hey, donut steel, mall ninja weapons are shit, Warhammer combiweapons are brutal and there is no argument you can use to convince me otherwise, because there is no universe in which a fusion of a powerfist and storm bolter is not cool, or a chainfist, or combi ranged heavy weapon, because bigger dakka and also more dakka
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Calling the vote now

STRIKE AT DAWN!: 11
Wait for the women and children to be gathered:2

Lieren rides at dawn!
https://youtu.be/JSdJatTxGWc

Sorry for the late update, I have been stricken by a foul sickness brewed by the grandfather nurgle

>>4674623
I can see it now
"What the fuck, why is one of the lost primarchs a well adjusted and friendly china man!?"
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>>4674910
oh no, he's got the 'Rona. Don't die Malal. I don't know what i'll do if another quest i'm enjoying just disappears suddenly.
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>>4674910
Just go to your local Ecclesiarch/Ordo Malleus Inquisitor to take care of you. Stay safe now and hope you feel better soon.
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>>4674910
>Sorry for the late update, I have been stricken by a foul sickness brewed by the grandfather nurgle
PRAY, BROTHERS. PRAY FOR THE CLEANSING LIGHT OF THE GOD-EMPEROR TO BURN AWAY THE FOUL POXES FROM HIS MOST HUMBLE SERVANT.
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>>4674983
Don't worry, it isn't something so severe. My knee has been aching whenever I bend it, so I've been stuck in bed hoping rest would fix it and cause moving makes it hurt.

It hasn't, and getting out of bed hurt like fuck. Like a nail being hammered between the joint.

>>4674987
Thanks, and I'm hoping it will to so I don't have to go to a doctor.

>>4674988
I needed that laugh, thanks mate
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>>4674910
>not a corrupt china man?
>reeeeeeee!!!!!!
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>>4674988
You know, the Emperor saving one of the chaos gods would be quite the story.
>>4674992
If it gets too bad, try to take something for the pain. I'm no doctor though and you know better than me what you need.
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>>4674992
Happy to help, boss. In all seriousness, if you think you need to take time off, do so. We can handle hiatuses, but I think I speak for more than just myself when I say any more Crusty Jones-tier endings would be unbearable.
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Yin Aiguo was weary. His warrior instincts could feel the shifting tides of war. The Giant's army had seemingly faded away into the same mist that had seemingly birthed that troublesome revolutionary. Yan Zihao, the venerable uncle of the honorable, benevolent and wise King Weizhe, had felt this change as well. Almost as if through an instinct learned and cultivated through a lifetime of war, Both the Old Qilin and Fox had realized what this silence and sudden passivity foretold, as the scent of ozone proceeded a thunderstorm.

Lieren, the wretched philosopher who began this bloody affair by pridefully stating and showing he thought himself not only wiser but superior to those who far outranked him by birth and by station. While many of the remaining Yan forces, had sought to soothe their wounded pride and convince themselves their fate was far grander than as a corpse hanging by the roadside, the veterans, like Aiguo and Zihao himself, had realized the truth from the beginning.

The damnable giant who led the rebellion, was no mindless beast or uneducated peasant who relied upon others and a courts blessed body to achieve his victories. He was a genius, though one could debate whether said genius was natural or taught, it was an indisputable fact that Lieren was a genius.

In but eight years of activity, the wandering sage had turned a land of starved peasants into a machine of war that had cut through all opposition as if they were but blades of grass. A man of such talent or whatever Lieren truly is, would not hesitate while they held such an overwhelming advantage.

While many would claim, the rebels were scared or descended into in fighting, those who had grown bored with the sweet taste of combat, could understand the truth of the situation.

The Giant was plotting, as he had done after he slew Gao Liwei, the contemptible worm who believed his could rival the Graced Yin in prominence, as he had done when he turned the once loyal Dai against their rightful masters. As he had done when he broke the serpent's back upon his knee.

And this made Yin Aiguo weary. The Giant had shown an ability to appear from the mists and fog and that he held the knowledge of how to precisely maneuver his men to achieve near total victory. A rare talent indeed. Even with the primitive mockeries of those "Killing staffs" Lieren had outfitted near the entirety of his forces with, Yin Aiguo knew meeting the Giant himself, whether alone or in battle, could only end in his demise.

However, King Weizha was also wise, and blessed by the mandate of heaven. While some of the royal court had whispered that perhaps Lieren himself was the construction of celestial patronage and interference, none who still lived uttered such words. Yin Aiguo did not believe such rumors. For if Lieren was a gift from the eight celestial courts.

He would have graciously and humbly served the Yan Dynasty.
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>>4675097

To even consider that the Yan had lost favour with the courts and heavens, was not only traitorous but heretical. The Yan had been blessed to remove the prior dynasty, the Jia, centuries ago. To believe they had so quickly lost the mandate of heaven, was a sign of weak will and cowardice.

King Weizha still held the heavens' blessing, and through it he had divined the weakness in the Iron Ogre's impenetrable defense. Innocent, children especially.

Yin Aiguo would rather be close by his naive fool of a nephew, to ensure he did not offend Yan Zihao, but, King Weizha had personally ordered him to wander the lands given to his ancestors ages before, and collect the innocent so they may be turned against the rebellious Lieren.

Huizhong's place was with Yan Zihao, and Yan Zihao's place was as the last wall between the capital and the Giant's thralls. The Huang and Luo could not arrive to reinforce either of the two armies that had remained standing. The Kang had been crippled and weakened to the state of insignificance, and the Xue were being drowned by Vishnu raiding parties or so was the excuse their late messenger had given before he lost his sense of mind through the gentle attention of the court torturers.

Yin Aiguo, was proud to commit himself to such a campaign. The young may balk at being removed from the front of the war or the rear if they were cowardly, but the general knew better. He was after all, Yan Weizha's favoured servant, for the graced Yin had not once betrayed his predecessors or balked at the responsibility given unto them.

His uncle, may vie for the throne in private. Huizong was young and blinded by propaganda like so many others. Yin Aiguo had given his father poison when Weizha had asked of him, for his father could no longer serve the Yan dynasty in his age. His father honored him with his dying breaths. Secrets only royalty and their most loyal and respected servants may hear.

Blessed by the gods themselves. Just thinking of his past service made the old general's heart swell with pride, even as his body ached and silently complained of his restless labor. It was not good for a man his age to ride as often as he had. But his body's health, was secondary to the wishes of the King of Yan.

His trust was more valuable than life. and it was from that trust, that King Weizha found the faith to give Yin Aigou a most auspicious gift. One of the Celestial treasures of Yan, that had endured the passing of dynasties.

"Weeee approach, the village of Gold shores!" An Aid called out, riding in a position of honor next to Yin Aiguo himself "At last, we may continue our duty, my noble yet humble liege"

"Perfect, my mind was beginning to wander and dwell upon thoughts most unsightly. Perhaps we shall find you a wife that meets your standards in this village, my kindly aid" Yin Aiguo laughed, staring past the fog towards the calming sight of civilization in a land bled its inhabitants.
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>>4675100

But, these wounds would heal. After all, these lands were the graced Yins' to control as they saw fit.

If they wished to wound the people, they could, if they wished to tax them heavily, they could. If the Yan ordered them to do either, they would without hesitation.
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Your bloodthirsty steed snarled, stomping its hooves impatiently as the two of you sat upon a hill that looked over the untouched village, where children played and men toiled.

He had been restless of late, impatient at the prospect of riding to battle once again. His coat of raw clay was soaked with sweat as his war bred body worked itself up to a fever, his mane as black as coal danced upon the gentle summer breeze.

"Soon, soon" You cooed to the violent natured beast, its eyes blazing with the same passion for slaughter as his long dead master's had once held "You must be patient my friend, savour these peaceful moments for soon we shall ride once more into a storm of chaos and danger. I understand, you have been bred and raised to stride proudly from one battle to the next, but we cannot charge forth so boldly and so foolhardy"

The ill tempered horse breathes heavily, its nostrils flaring as you try to further soothe the hot blood ever surging through its veins with a few gentle handed pats to its haunches.

The wind grows wilder and heightens its pace, keening wails and cries filling the air as the breath of Shangrala dance and rips across the country side. As if it the planet herself was mourning and screaming silent courses towards the wickedness that was soon to be carried out, as if She were crying out as She was forced to behold such treachery and lies.

For some reason, Kanzeon's avatar enters the vision of your mind eye as if she now stood by your side and grieved the impending molestation of such a idyllic village so far away from the horrors of war.

The one who perceives the sounds of the world. Nurture, Protect, Guard, Preserve. The epithet scrawled across Kanzeon's immaterial avatar like tattooed script, and the solitary words woven into her clothing.

They resonate with the feelings of your own heart. How could you call yourself a man, let alone a giant, if you did not Nurture, Protect, Guard and Preserve the lives of your fellow men? Especially those who could not hope to or even know they must defend themselves.

No doubt, the woman born in steel in eons past, would be proud of the actions you are to commit in the passing of but a few minutes more. But, wouldn't any who are of virtuous character be proud to prevent the exploitation of the innocent and naive? It is certainly a thought to meditate upon later.

For in distant hills, you can now hear the blaring of brass Suona and the beating call of Zhangu, challenging the cries of Shangrala herself as Yin Aiguo's army marches towards the lonely riverside village.
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>>4675104

A theatrical display, to bring hope and relief to these peasants haunted by the shadow of an Ogre that does not exist in the most dramatic manner possible. It is like a parade in the capital city, a celebration of divine providence.

How it sickens you to see it, even if the Liar's procession is hidden behind the shroud of the ever present fog and mist.

Your nameless steed, nearly roars as it stomps its foot upon to the hard packed clay beneath and throws its head back to neigh. As if possessed by the vengeful spirit of Cui Fu himself, it demands to be driven towards battle, to the warm flesh and steaming blood of its enemies.

The sun rises, the gloom beneath the fog parts before its brilliance, cheers and prayers rise to the heavens.

"Let us ride forth, my old friend" You proclaim, hefting your Chen Dao over your shoulder as you grip the reinforced reigns of the most bloodthirsty horse ever born to one of the Lai's many stable. It clenches its jaws, grinding its teeth against the metal bit held within its jaws.

How hellish a sight you'll appear. A Giant dressed in a raiment of steel glimmering in the morning son's light, riding upon the back of a hellish steed of a red coat, foaming at its mouth and filled with a feral rage and excitement. The horror such a sight will bring, is exactly what you intend to inflict. While Yin Aiguo's army readies itself to accept hostages and fresh recruits a like, you shall ride forth and in the shock brought upon by your sudden emergence from the gloom and dark, snatch away the general in front of the very eyes of his own army.

It was utterly audacious and no doubt after your death, was a truth that would be mistaken for a fanciful tall tale told by those who come after you.
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The loyal subjects of the Yan gathered, singing praises and prayer for Yan Weizha, Yan Zihao, and Yin Aiguo the moment a single one of them spotted the regal banner of the graced Yin flying upon the horizon. Yin Aiguo road at the head of his army, a living incarnation of Yan's nobility and grace. A bringer of hope, a shining light in the darkness. Already, it was obvious to the favoured servant of The Yan King that this village would be honored to empty itself into his hands. There would be no need for even a single drop of blood to be spilt, to deny the Giant even a single recruit from those who toiled upon his ancestral lands.

Then something odd occured. The ancient treasure of the Yan Dynasty, a spear forged of a hard gold that had past through the hands of many kings and endured the death of many dynasties began to hum in his hands, as if struggling to escape his grasp.

Vibrating violently, the metal began to glow with strange letters of no language Yin Aiguo understood or knew. The Golden furred fox tail wrapped upon the end of its haft bristled, as if it were still alive. The six fanged spear head began to glow in a far brighter light than that of the dawn's own rising splendor.
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>>4675106

Yin Aiguo was enchanted, and transfixed upon the sight. A divine sign of sorts?!

"Servant of Yan" A melodic voice range from within the golden metal, that of King Weizha's favoured concubine.

The voice as sweet as the most rich honey, as soothing as warmed wine, as calming as a cool breeze. A voice that could bring any man to his knees. The voice of the most beautiful woman in Yan, no! the most beautiful woman to ever grace Shangrala itself

"Y..yes lady Huli jing!? What is it you ask of me!" Yin Aiguo sputters like a virgin boy, who had just been graced by the gentle touch of an older woman "I, Yin Aiguo the ever loyal, answer your call from far beyond"

"The Giant is near, Lieren the abhorrent child from the stars, hunts you now. Be wary, he will soon be upon you, most noble servant of the Yan. But with the power you wield, he shall be brought low and at last slain. Accept this gift, from the ancestors of King Weizha" Huli Jing sung, as if luring Yin Aiguo to her distant bed. A haze settled over the General's mind, as a green energy began to rippled over the relic spear he held "AND SLAUGHTER THAT WRETCH!"

"As you wish, Lady Huli Jing" He muttered, his eyes turning towards the horizon where he saw the fog part, and glimpses of red fur and steel caught in the edges of dawn's light "it shall be done"
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Something was wrong.
Yin Aiguo turned his head to follow your movement as you neared him, and you could feel his roiling fury directed towards you from across such a distance. A killing intent you have not felt, since you did battle with Cui Fu...no, a killing intent you had not faced since you did battle against the unseen master.

A piercing pain splits your attention, as if a dozen burning red needles were hammered into your temple, just between your eyes. Your vision shifts. An shadow of a presence flickers and fades. Lines of bright gold and green cut through the air like streams of cloth in the wind. A deep, blazing hatred floods your heart and settles over your mind.

A voice screams in the storm raging within. It shrieks a single phrase "EVIL SPIRIT", as you recognize the sensation of ones presence. But it is different than the unseen masters, burning, itching, the sensation of starvation, of the burn of aching muscles and a mind fevered by the lingering presence of a drug induced haze.

"LIEREN!" Yin Aiguo roars, as he raises the golden spear in his hand high into the air "I CAST ASIDE THE FOG THAT SHELTERS YOU"

And in a moment, the fog is pulled away, as the tip of the spear burns white, gold, and pink. fire dances over its edge. Thousands of screams pierce the air, as the eyes of all present are assualted by the unrestrained fury of the son.

You hold back the instinctive reflex to shield your eyes, tears pouring from your eyes but not from the burning pain inflicted by such intense sunlight.
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>>4675110

But rather at the sight of the fire and the ethereal strings wrapping around the spear that spews the unnatural, sorcerous flames from within.

Your eyes had adjusted to the alien view of an unshrouded morning, in the span of a breath.

"FACE ME AND SEE YOUR DEATH! BE CAST DOWN! AND RETURN TO NOTHING!" Yin Aiguo raves, as he turns his own impressive steed, dappled white and the color of rendered fat, towards you and begins to charge.

The second man to face you while remaining utterly unafraid of you. The second man to face you, aided by the power of an evil spirit. A moment passes, and his army follows behind him, struggling to ride their own horses against the blazing fury of the unshrouded sun.

What do you do in response, Lieren?!
>Roar a challenge of your own, and lower your Chendao to fire it.
>Push your own steed as hard it would go, directly at Yin Aiguo. That spear must be destroyed.
>Turn and retreat, leading the general away from the innocent villagers.
>Hop of your horse, and press your hands together as if in prayer, meditating and focusing inwards to prepare to counter Yin Aiguo's and his ethereal aid's attack
>write in?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRziGchtkFE
Song for this battle, A surprise which I have been preparing for since Lord Gao died, on the off chance you met Yin Aiguo in battle.

Since Lord Yan doesn't trust his uncle as much as he does the lord of the Northern Yin.
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>>4675042
if I can endure my potato internet, then an aching knee won't stop me from running this quest. I fucking love writing it. but I appreciate your concern.

>>4675008
As long as I keep my leg in one position, it won't hurt
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>>4675112
>>Roar a challenge of your own, and lower your Chendao to fire it.
>>Turn and attempt to draw Yin Aiguo out into the plains with our taunts.
>Come and face me, blade of tyrants, pawn of spirits, servant of that which should not be! Come and let fate judge which cause is more righteous!
Fellas, how do we feel now that we know that the King is banging a daemonette?
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>>4675112
>Turn and retreat, leading the general away from the innocent villagers.
At the same time:
>Meditate and focus inwards to prepare to counter Yin Aiguo's and his ethereal aid's attack
Is that concubine a Slaanesh sorceress/daemon i wonder?
>>4675119
Hope you have patience at least.
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>>4675124
Business as usual I guess? It was obvious that the Yan were excessively decadent although Lieren doesn't know that much about chaos yet so it should be a surprise for him.
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>>4675112
>>write in?
bellow with laughter at the display
"So you found yourself a twisted trinket! no doubt offered with honeyed words!"
Have another laugh
"I suppose you find strength in it, truly a shame you had not the strength to fight upon your own strength! such a shame, such a shame~"
Take a moment to press our hands together and steel our mind
"But know this pawn of the hidden hand I do not despise you, nor bare you ill will for who can blame the worm upon a hook being offered as bait!"

>Shoot the Staff since its nice and glowy, our weapon will likely take his arm to but thats fine.
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>>4675112
I’ll support a mix of >>4675124 & >>4675138
something like
>>Roar a challenge of your own, and lower your Chendao to fire it.
>>Turn and attempt to draw Yin Aiguo out into the plains with our taunts.
>>Meditate and focus inwards to prepare to counter Yin Aiguo's and his ethereal aid's attack
We’re totally gonna have to wipe the Yan out of existence with all this Chaos fuckery going around
>>4675097
>eight celestial courts
Wonder how far Shangrala was from turning into a full blown daemon world before Lieren arrived
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>>4675124
Supporting.
Not much. It just confirms we're gonna kill a demon and the king, and this guy afterwards once we're done with him.
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>>4675138
Support the meditation, maybe chant verses of our Journey. Its canon if you get enough people to believe in something, it'll have some warp power to it, or become some warp entity/daemon. O hope it gets popular enough where we can murder demons by singing the first verses.

>>4675142
Any ideas on how to relatively safely study the warp and chaos?

>>4675119
Should we expect any unforeseen consequences with how many warp tainted+magic things going around Lieren? The lion came out mostly alright when he was murder blending all those chaos spawns, but you can never be too sure.
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>>4675147
Great write in, the problem however is that he is literary charging towards Lieren at the head of his army so there's no time to say all these or talk calmly in the middle of the battle.
If it makes it easier to draw him in sure I support this mix >>4675152
>>4675171
Don't really know. If Lieren is the anti-chaos Primarch as people believe, he will probably be naturally resistant to it, otherwise many trying to do just that were lost due to corruption.
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>>4675182
I think past events points Lieren to not be the anti-chaos primarch. Well maybe not a bull or blank tier primarch, or one more inclined towards the hunter and purging bad warp stuff. He might have what it takes to be the latter however, if and when given enough encounters. Probably? If it's like taking a vaccine I guess you could be right in that our boy can develop a minor tolerance to naughty warp juice.
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>>4675193
Isn't it a bad idea though to dabble with chaos without knowing if you are resistant to it? Primarchs were corrupted by exposure I think. Also something that occurred to me: the weapon that Yin Aiguo is using is described as a Celestial treasure of the Yan. Back at the caves of Kanzeon's mountain we saw a cave drawing of a man attacking the daemons/chaos cultists of the underground city who was accompanied by a golden fox. Can this be a depiction of the Yan ancestors? Maybe they were daemon slayers who were eventually corrupted.
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>>4675207
Could be, could be. The current general fox dude might be a descendant of that same fox, or perhaps the fox was a devise.
or. OR! Maybe the cave drawings of the guy with the spear is actually the bad guy? Who knows. What we do know is that we're gonna fuck around and find out. Perhaps we should consider finding the ruins of the monks for some insight, or visit our one surviving monk friend? Those are safe bets and potential leads.
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>>4675213
If the spear has some connection to the people of the underground city, then Kanzeon might know more about it. Unless it's been corrupted by chaos. Either way, I feel that Kanzeon can help somewhat with things about this world that we don't know like the green crystals or the Vishnu slave collars.
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>>4675124
I'll support, but slay his horse.

The fall will make cutting his hand off easier.
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>>4675277
Slay his horse, after we lead it and him away from the village?
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>>4675281
That'd be the better time whereby we can exploit his fall, yes.
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>>4675124
support

strengthen our mind in to a weapon for face the coming darkness.
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Anyone got any cool autogun ideas? +P bullets? Steel core rods in 7.62mm boolets? Both?
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Just to state, not that anyone familiar with warhammer lore needs it, but when we capture this fool and his weapon, we must not touch it.

While I dont doubt Leirens ability to resist foreign influence, primarchs have fallen to possessed weapons before.
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>>4675376
Smash weapon with Chendao.
Drag off possessed general cunt.
Profit.
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>>4675376
>find big rock
>smash stick with big rock
>burn stick with fire
>profit
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>>4675124
Support.

>>4675376
Yeah, no way are we touching that thing. We're wrapping it in the thickest cloth we can find after this battle, and ordering our army to bury it in the deepest hole they can dig.
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>>4675112
>We should also start reciting the journey as a weapon and armor against the daemonic influence. Maybe even our words through sheer will alone could shatter the sorcery he wields.
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>>4675376
The Laer Blade was way fancier. Grey Knights regularly expulse daemons with their own mind. I'm not saying to do it on purpose, just that if there's anyone who can cleanse that weapon from malignant energies, it's Lieren.
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>>4675112
Also, damn, this sounds like it's going to be an battle for the epics. The mental image of the fog being banished and the two men standing against each other in the field of the clear morning is particularly cool.
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>>4675112
>Hop of your horse, and press your hands together as if in prayer, meditating and focusing inwards to prepare to counter Yin Aiguo's and his ethereal aid's attack
Yin isn't even a threat at this point, but that warp shit is a big problem.
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>>4675451
Just need the Graced Yin's men to fuck off and let us duel proeperly.
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>>4675468
We'll be lucky if they don't all turn into chaos spawn.
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>>4675448
The GK can do that because they're specifically trained for it and have much more knowledge and experience to fall back/understand since its their job.
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>>4675277
On second though, I'll add

>Begin reciting passages of the journey, to prepare our mind against the witches assault

Because the image of this bitch flinging lightning at us, and just turning it aside with a buddah fuelled Chendao swing is too good.
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>>4675376
we can destroy it, our mind was able to scare away the presence in the cavern temple. If we concentrate maybe we can use it for destroy the object and the ethereal presence in it
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Why not also channel our emotions into it? Not just anger and hate but love, respect, sorrow, regret, joy, and the ones not listed to balance our normally excessive anger.
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>>4675112
>>Roar a challenge of your own,
Make the challenge, do not fire chen dao yet, make a show of being surprised by his army and his glowing spear.
>>Turn and attempt to draw Yin Aiguo out into the plains with our taunts.
Lead him through the village away from his approaching army who are on horseback.
>Come and face me, blade of tyrants, pawn of spirits, servant of that which should not be! Come and let fate judge which cause is more righteous!
Then fire the chen dao at his horse to dismount him, disarm & clobber him unconscious and escape with him on our back for enhanced interrogation.

I think that Lieren can conclude from his witness that lord Yin is complicit in the villagers' abduction and won't hold back later.
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>>4675505
I forgot to mention that the challenge can be something like "the ragged foxes are truly debauched and depraved, abducting their wards that they owe protection to like a fox in a henhouse."
Lieren could then quote lines of the journey about responsibility and fidelity to mess with the lord and demon as they find their battleground.
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>>4675112
>Roar a challenge of your own, and lower your Chendao to fire it.
>Push your own steed as hard it would go, directly at Yin Aiguo. That spear must be destroyed.
Can't capture him if he is being empowered.
At least the psyker/possessed/daemon confirms it's not a mole.
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>>4675376
Malal already said he isn't going to fuck us by just touching a chaos artifact.
As long as we don't start hearing voices or succumbing to toughts, we don't need to be mega paranoid before destroying it.
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>>4675536
>we don't need to be mega paranoid before destroying it
We're still destroying that shit as soon as possible regardless.
It's fucking warpshit and we're nowhere near being able to handle it properly.
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I was reminded of this old thread due to one character in it
>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/7738962/
>Personality profiles go!

>The Master of the Administratum was born under the name Sun Fan, on a world famed for its harmonious governance.

>The venerable Master has long eyebrows and mustaches of pure white. For his health, he has been wired into an elegant spider-legged life-support throne, equipped with numerous parchment rolls and autoquills controlled by links to the Master's nervous system. He sits cross-legged on his throne, his hands together in the sleeves of his ornate robe, his half-closed eyes dancing over the documents held before him by his flock of attendant servoskulls and beautiful young secretaries.

>Although his attached scribing apparatus is constantly in motion, his flesh-body moves only rarely. When an order of particularly great and far-reaching import must be made, his wizened, long-fingernailed hands emerge from his sleeves like waking spiders. Brush held in a delicate grip, he writes on finest paper, the far-reaching wisdom of his command in perfect harmony with the beauty of his calligraphy.

>If you're going to order that a trillion people be allowed to starve, it behooves you to do it with grace.

This guy could have definitely come from Shangrala way in the future
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>>4675537
Of course.
Unless it's actually archeotech and the daemon is using instead of sensing toughts directly to his head sue to laziness. Than we need to purify it somehow.
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>>4675112
>Roar a challenge of your own, and lower your Chendao to fire it.
>Turn and retreat, leading the general away from the innocent villagers.

>Your nameless steed, nearly roars as it stomps its foot upon to the hard packed clay beneath and throws its head back to neigh. As if possessed by the vengeful spirit of Cui Fu himself, it demands to be driven towards battle, to the warm flesh and steaming blood of its enemies.
Bros, we are riding a daemon horse of khorne aren't we?
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>>4675559
Not everything is a daemon anon.
Sometimes it is just purple prose.
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>>4675578
>Not everything is a daemon anon.
Sounds like something a daemon would say
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People we should remember the following:
-If the residents of the village are caught in this, they will be killed or worse, so we should draw them away from the village first.
-We don't know what kind of powers or protections the weapon gives Yin Aiguo so if we have to shoot him, i propose to shoot first at his men to scatter and scare them so we can deal with him possibly one on one. His weapon might give him the power to deflect our shot or sent it against us.
-Yin Aiguo knows that Lieren's weakness is innocents getting hurt so that's another reason we should draw them away from the village first. Who knows, he might attack the villagers in desperation.
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>>4675587
>If the residents of the village are caught in this, they will be killed or worse, so we should draw them away from the village first.
DBZ rules, goes without saying.
>Yin Aiguo knows that Lieren's weakness is innocents getting hurt so that's another reason we should draw them away from the village first. Who knows, he might attack the villagers in desperation.
So on top of having to fight a giant, he will then have to face an immensely pissed off giant.
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>>4675589
Putting aside if it would be helpful in this fight to be angry, I am saying that it's in Lieren's character to protect the villagers and it will probably be a morale booster for our army when they learn about it. Maybe the villagers will believe easier about Lieren's benevolence that way.
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>>4675596
If Lieren has a reason to even be visibly angry, then that means something terrible has happened to the villagers.
That would be a massive failure on our part.
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>>4675112
I’ll put in some support for this too
>Hop of your horse, and press your hands together as if in prayer, meditating and focusing inwards to prepare to counter Yin Aiguo's and his ethereal aid's attack
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>>4675598
Indeed which is why I propose caution and focus in the fight.
Also >DBZ rules
Now that I consider it, it will be funny if Lieren learns to use Dragonball moves in the future. Though nothing like the scale of Z but most of the original Dragonball moves were something that fairly powerful psykers could do probably.
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>>4675616
Dragonball was a comedic wuxia story. Really almost anything in the wuxia genre is acheivable in someway in 40k.
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>>4675589
>immensely pissed off giant
I'm voting for each move we make in our duel to be made with no restraint of our abilities. Time to see how hard we really can hit things.
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>>4675624
We still need this man alive, I will remind you.
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>>4675626
We'll try to aim for the spear. Shattering a daemon weapon (presuming that's what it is) is a nice primarch-tier feat.
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>>4675456
Hes already on his horse
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I personally want to tap into our psyker abilities now so we are ready to fight the keeper of secrets they are without a doubt trying to summon right now.
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>>4675479
Isnt the presence in the temple still there? I recall it getting hurt by our Journey, but not entirely fleeing.

>>4675536
>Malal already said he isn't going to fuck us by just touching a chaos artifact.
Find us a quote and someone might actually believe you.

>>4675627
Shattering the shaft should be enough

>>4675630
How does one tap into their psyker abilities?
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>>4675634
Well my first guess is mediation and looking inward since the soul is what allows 40k space magic.
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>>4675641
During combat?
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>>4675621
All the better then.
>>4675634
We actually killed the sorcerer who was possessed at the time by his daemon master. When we returned, we felt something watching us, though I don't know if it was simply scrying or the daemon was trapped there. As for psyker abilities, I also don't know that much of the lore but I guess trying by meditation or something? We are in space Asia, there's bound to be some monk psykers around if that old monk's fellows(Guozhi I think he was called) weren't already.
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>>4675634
>Find us a quote and someone might actually believe you.
Under the vote where we argued whether or not to take a trophy from the toad dragon and under the vote where we argued whether or not to take a trophy from the dark forest spawns. Theads 1 and 3.
>How does one tap into their psyker abilities?
If we really haven't gone through primarch puberty, we wait for that. Then we concentrate real hard.
>>4675644
We absolutely need to talk to Guozhi about his order.
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>>4675642
We will just have Lieren reach inside himself or something when he fights in this battle.
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>>4675645
There's a lot we should do but unfortunately we're in the middle of a war. When it ends, we have a long list of things we should really get around to doing.
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>>4675642
We have an option right here for that:
>>4675112
>Hop of your horse, and press your hands together as if in prayer, meditating and focusing inwards to prepare to counter Yin Aiguo's and his ethereal aid's attack
See? This may give at the very least an insight into psyker powers
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>>4675634
Usually instinctive calling on our powers.
For everyone else, in a way that doesn't cause daemons, training.
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>>4675648
Yeah, I know. I made it and it got expanded upon even further. We're gonna be real fuckin busy.
>>4659400
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>>4675634
It didn t flee, but it was scared/hurt. I think we can probably take it out of the temple cavern. But we need to concentrate with our mind, we haven t really attempt something like this before but we haven t fight many things like that creature.
If we are able to destroy the creature of this spear, we should be able to do the same for the one still in the temple walls .
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>>4675651
Top of the list for me are creation of better industry, communication, transportation, education and food cultivation, talking with Kanzeon and researching hers and Lieren's pod technologies and possibly implementing them, as well as figuring out a way to release Kanzeon/create a new body for her. So yes, even the most important are a lot.
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>>4675671
The one who was talking through the spear was the Yan king's concubine and she probably is back at the capital. I don't know if the spear is actually possessed though.
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>>4675634
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/4568748/#p4581128

But it'd be lame If I went "Hurrr you got blood on you from fuck huge monster #9? now you are dammed forever, join Logar in his sad bitch tower, hurr hurr hurrrr
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>>4675680
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/4510838/#p4526447

Figured I'd say that BEFORE I write the update. So no one thinks Lieren went a doomed a village or anything. He a clever boy and would take precautions.
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>>4675634
Proof enough, or does Malal have to say the same thing every time the super paranoia appears again, just so anons can ignore it over and over?
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>>4675112
>>Push your own steed as hard it would go, directly at Yin Aiguo. That spear must be destroyed.
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>>4675685
>>4675683
>>4675685
I guess 40k’s stupidity is pretty realistic at times.
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>>4675728
Only through the lens of extreme parody and hyper-exaggeration can we truly begin to view that world as it is.
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> Blessed by the gods themselves. Just thinking of his past service made the old general's heart swell with pride, even as his body ached and silently complained of his restless labor. It was not good for a man his age to ride as often as he had. But his body's health, was secondary to the wishes of the King of Yan.
>His trust was more valuable than life. and it was from that trust, that King Weizha found the faith to give Yin Aigou a most auspicious gift. One of the Celestial treasures of Yan, that had endured the passing of dynasties.
>"The Giant is near, Lieren the abhorrent child from the stars, hunts you now. Be wary, he will soon be upon you, most noble servant of the Yan. But with the power you wield, he shall be brought low and at last slain. Accept this gift, from the ancestors of King Weizha" Huli Jing sung, as if luring Yin Aiguo to her distant bed. A haze settled over the General's mind, as a green energy began to rippled over the relic spear he held "AND SLAUGHTER THAT WRETCH!"
Seems like the spear might be just possessed, rather than a proper daemon weapon.
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>>4675881
It isnt either, the yan kings wife or concubine is either a psyker or a daemonette and that weapon is Psy reactive.
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>>4675918
Either way.
> A piercing pain splits your attention, as if a dozen burning red needles were hammered into your temple, just between your eyes. Your vision shifts. An shadow of a presence flickers and fades.
Seems Lieren has a dormant third eye just itching to get out.
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>>4675936
Big mood
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>>4675112
I now know what we should name the horse.

Fu Cui

Pronounced as:
Fuh-Cyou
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>>4675998
The main problem will be we'll outgrow the horse, same with Jagatai. Something they'll both bond over later on.

Unless they hatch some Super Horse breeding program together with both their planet's horses.
>Gathering Storm era: Khan and Lieren come back, find out their kids have been working on their horse project and have steeds ready for their dads
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>>4676014
Nice. When horse too small. Just get bigger horse.
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Alright calling the vote now

Roar a challenge of your own, and lower your Chendao to fire it:9
Turn and attempt to draw Yin Aiguo out into the plains and away from the villagers with your taunts:10
Meditate and focus inwards to prepare to counter Yin Aiguo's and his ethereal aid's attack:5
Mock Yin Aiguo and his trinket, before attempting to shoot the spear: 2
Push your own steed to gallop as fast as it can towards Yin Aiguo, the spear must be destroyed: 1
Slay his horse 2:
Begin reciting passages of the journey to prepare your mind:2

Total votes:14

So, Lieren will roar a challenge of his own, preparing to fire his Chendao as he taunts and attempts to trick Yin Aiguo into chasing him further into the plains, away from the innocent villagers

Writing now

>>4675451
Yeah, that's why I wrote it. cause its awesome

>>4676014
Imagine being caught between The Khan and Lieren. Not a place I'd want to be.
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>>4676026
>Writing something just because it's awesome

And this is why the quest is more enjoyable than most official 40k media.
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>>4676026
Being caught between any two or more Primarchs is a place few would want to be
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>>4676026
So no mediating and focusing inward?

Also I finally figured out what’s up with the foxes and can’t believe I didn’t realize it earlier. Fox spirits in Asian mythologies are seductresses and tend to be evil, often eating human liver and possessing human women. Japanese mythology has the foxwive which tends towards neutral or good and are pretty loyal, then there is Inari the Japanese god of rice and foxes is also a god of sex with a gender of yes.
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>>4676048
No meditating. It's got 2 votes less than it needed.
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>>4676050
though that being said, if it was combined with reciting passages of the journey, it would have gotten in. But that's the sort of divisions that Malal makes, taking them by their word rather than similar intents.
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>>4676048
I mean, google the name of Yan Weizha's favoured concubine
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>>4676053
I usually combine votes if they're similar enough. figured the intent behind the two votes to recite was different enough it should be separated
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>>4676058
If you have a problem with determining intend you can try asking for a second clarifying vote. Though that would probably take even more time than usual so just do what it helps you more.
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>>4676097
I'll certainly keep that in mind, especially for very important posts
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>>4676045
Angron seems like the kind of person that would like having a brawl with two or more Primarchs. Especially when he became a Daemon.
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You think our brother primarchs will consider us a weak preacher primarch (like lorgar?)
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>>4676117
We have to first see how Lieren develops in relation to the others. He can be a "regular" Primarch for example.
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>>4676117
They didn't consider him weak for his preaching. See Magnus. They considered him weak because he was a mercurial and temperamental personality who hated being a war lord and whined about it.

Given that Lieren isn't any of those things, I think we'll be fine.
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>>4676117
If we remain at the strength level we're at now, yes. I very much think we're still growing though, I can only imagine our horse is so much bigger than the baseline. Alpharius Omegon was the shortest and he was around 10-12ft. I think we're shorter than that, we seem around the height of a normal marine right now.
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>>4676103
>Gathering Storm/Dark Imperium period: Angron fucking shit up as is t odo
>Lieren shows up t ofight him as he woke up along with other Primarchs
>Lieren recites poetry/The Journey while dueling Angron
>Angron is paradoxically getting angry at how calm he's getting
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>>4676144
>Angron is paradoxically getting angry at how calm he's getting
Truly chaos can get weird.
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While every fiber of your being burns with the desire, no, the need to charge forward to see that blasphemous spear held tightly in the Lord of the Northern Yin's hands destroyed alongside the fool who would dare to wield something that is so obviously a heinous affront to all that is natural and good in life! You manage to cling to rationality and logic, refusing to become a puppet to such base and volatile emotions. Innocent lives are endangered by the mere presence of Yin Aiguo and his army. That spear serves to only further threaten the existence of such naive souls, who do not know that beneath the gold and white they praise, a devil far fouler than any imagined ogre lurks.

Beneath the clear blue sky so unnatural and unnerving, you charge forward, weaving together a plan to remove the threat Yin Aiguo and his corrupt trinket pose to the good folk of the riverside village beneath your now raging battle. His troops are stunned, unable to withstand the sudden burst of sunlight, a few have even turned to flee in blind panic. But many more charge forward, blind in both sight and faith, exactly as a regiment formed solely of the elite is expected to act. Never shying away from their duties or cause, no matter the obstacles in their way. It'd be respectable, if they did not rally behind a man who wielded such devilish sorceries.

So proud and valorous, it shall be both the downfall of this army of ignorant servants and the general who leads them forward.

Lowering your Chendao, as if you were preparing to pierce Yin Aiguo through as you two steeds met and quickly past the other by. It is a clever ruse, a bait to urge the your enemy to match the challenge and charge to you more boldly. Such a gambit would rely on Yin Aiguo being blinded by Zealotry, rage, that the contemptible weapon he wields has shrouded his mind and choked out the voice of logic still lingering within.

Raising your left hand, you pull your horse to a sudden stop, before twisting the reins and commanding it to turn around with haste. It obeys, without complaint or struggle. Despite its thirst for battle, it will obey a master strong enough to pull upon its reins, no matter the order given.

Raising your Chendao high above your head, you open your mouth, cupping your lips together in a manner to allow your thunderous voice to carry for miles, to ensure the challenge you issue cannot be denied lest Yin Aiguo suffers a grave loss of face and honor.

"COME AND FACE ME, BLADE OF TYRANTS, PAWN OF SPIRITS, SERVANT OF THAT WHICH SHOULD NOT BE" You roar, the sheer power and unrestrained might of your voice causing the younger horses among the Northern Yin's cavalry to panic and bolt, throwing their riders from their saddles and harness, as your words crack the fog emptied plains like divine thunder. So deafening, so harsh, it sounds as if your booming voice has come from the heavens, piercing through to the mortal world like a divine censure.
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>>4676130
I mean Lieren would also hate being a warlord, but for different reasons. He also wouldn't bitch about it unless somebody asked.
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>>4676164

The flames upon the spear grow wilder, more fearsome, appearing almost to take on the mein of the snapping jaws of some great and monstrous beast.

Flashing a predatory grin, you thrust your weapon higher into the air, unleashing a furious battlecry as you breath in a lungful of fresher air, eyes fixated upon the alien sight of a unveiled sky hanging above empty plains and fields of rice.

Turning your gaze once more to Yin Aiguo, you tug once more on the reins of your mighty steed, commanding it to begin charging away from your enemies, to lead them on a wild chase far from the homes and lives of the innocent and simple folk who dwell here.

As an aged ox may leave its herd to protect the young from the hunger of predators, so to shall you become bait for whatever malignant intelligence or energy inhabits ancient spear no wielded by the lord of the Yan's lapdogs.

"COME AND LET FATE JUDGE WHICH CAUSE IS MORE RIGHTEOUS!" You mock, your booming across the clear fields like the ringing of a gong, or the thunderous scream of cannon fire at the moment it reaches its target.

The flames dance out of the spear, golden, blazing white, tinged with hues of pink and peach as they wrap around Yin Aiguo and his dappled hided steed like a coat of fire, a small pearl the color of freshly spilt blood gathering upon the tip of his weapon.

"You shall learn the price for opposing the will of the foxes, Lieren of nothing! You shall share the same death that which awaits all traitors to the crown and blood!" Yin Aiguo screams in reply, seemingly unaware of the sorcerous flames draping over him like the finest of silk robes "MEN! FIRST VOLLEY, OPEN FIRE"

The line of men behind him struggle to retrieve the primitive, handheld cannons wrapped to their sides, wiping at their eyes and blinking rapidly as the glare from the hateful sun and that of the blaze surrounding their leader assaults them.

They have little chance of actually hitting you, their target, as blinded as they are and with the crudeness of their firearms. The scent of burning black powder fills the air, as the gunners ride forward, their miniature cannons firing wildly as you ride further into the plains and hills.

The roar of gunfire fills the silence, as balls of take flight into the fogless air. Burst of dirt, stone and sparks fly around and behind you. You feel the impact of several balls of metal upon your back, their impact dispersed and nullified by the construction of your new bullet resistant armor.

In response, you swing around upon your saddle, and shoulder your Chendao. Yin Aiguo, by some form precognition, understands your intent the moment before you act upon it.
He pulls the reins of his horse upwards, making it kneel suddenly as his roiling cloak of fire whips into the air. The valiant men charging behind him, are not so lucky as to avoid your fire.
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>>4676169

As you have taken careful aim, and with trained serenity, drag the sight of your Chendao across each of body that had rallied behind the Lord of the Northern Yin.

For each, you send forth a single bullet, capable of punching holes through solid stone or steel. The Chendao contains a rifle that would be more properly used to end sieges. It ammunition reflect this purpose.

Screams of horror accompany the thunderclap of each shot. Where once rode men armored in the finest regalia the blacksmiths of Yan could offer, now sat nothing. Bursts of red tinged with shards of white and gold lacquered steel have taken the place of the soldiers, as their bodies are reduced to little more than pulped flesh and splintered bone by the sheer size and force of the mutions that had impacted upon their chests.

But still, the men behind them do not halt their charge for even a moment. If anything, the display of power has only encouraged them. A suicidal sense of loyalty. So similar to those who profess themselves as your own followers.

Yin Aiguo bellows, his voice almost matching your own thunderous bellowing as he raises his spear into the air. The blood red pearl upon its tip suddenly absorbs a portion of the flames dancing mere inches away from his somehow unburnt skin. The pearl grows and cracks, as ethereal strings flow from it like web from a dying spider.

Spouts of flame, nine in total, rise from the pearl, as Yin Aiguo swings it downwards.

Whips of gold and pink flame fly from the six teeth upon the spearhead's edge. Riding forward, you remain in your peculiar position upon your horse's back, watching the whips tear through the ground, burning and crackling with a loud, mechanical buzz similar to those you had heard within the body of Kanzeon. No, they sound similar, but they're different. It's more of a shrieking cry, like metal tearing overlaid the cries of a tortured girl. It sends shivers down your neck, and stokes the fires of rage smoldering within your heart.

The untouched, unmolested plain, is cast in sorcerous fire and torn asunder, the lashing tendrils of magic whipping towards you as Yin Aiguo continues his charge.

"You shall pay dearly for every death, every murder, I shall bring your still living carcase back to my master, I shall wear your hide! GIANT!" The general raves, as strange lights and energies pulse from within his wicked weapon

The shroud and silhouette of the flames cloaking him like an oversized robe, makes the lapdog of the Yan appear far more monstrous and inhuman than he truly is.

Your steed whines and neighs in panic, as the tendrils of whipping spite and destructive flame near its legs.

You have mere half a moment to react.
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>>4676172

What is your first move in this battle, Lieren?
>Attempt to outrun the devastating power of that devilish spear. if there is any steed than can outpace evil itself, it is your horse
> Fire a volley toward Yin Aiguo, responding in kind to his aggression.
>Leap from Your horse, to spare it from the chance of being wounded by such foul energy, and tackle Yin Aiguo's horse
> Turn face and charge, holding your Chendao outwards like a sword, and trust in your horse's training to allow you to dodge and avoid the magic the general of Yin calls forth.
>write in?

https://youtu.be/eJkO4kHmOOs also I was listening to this, and realized how much it'd fit an imperial guardsmen telling a story of fighting alongside one of Lieren's sons or the primarch himself
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>>4676176
>>Leap from Your horse, to spare it from the chance of being wounded by such foul energy
>Plant yourself in the field like an immovable pillar, firing at the riders closest to Yin Aiguo, preparing to decapitate his mount with a single blow.
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>>4676176
>Leap from our horse
>Kill his mount in a single blow
>Recite passages of the journey to serve as shield or dampner against such foul magic. Channel our beliefs.
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>>4676176
>Leap from Your horse, to spare it from the chance of being wounded by such foul energy, and tackle Yin Aiguo's horse
>Fire a shot at Yin Aiguo's steed, attempting to slaughter it instantly and hamper Yin's mobility
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>Leap from our horse
>Kill his mount in a single blow
>Recite passages of the journey to serve as shield or dampner against such foul magic. Channel our beliefs.
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>>4676176
>No, they sound similar, but they're different. It's more of a shrieking cry, like metal tearing overlaid the cries of a tortured girl. It sends shivers down your neck, and stokes the fires of rage smoldering within your heart.
Oh fuck. What if it's a possessed A.I. in the weapon? That fucking sucks.

Weeeeee also need to consider making specialized horse armor for our horse, with a tactical carrot bandoleer and feed bag when he's on his best behavior. With the occasionally cuts of meat, because horses are opportunistic carnivores if given the chance.
Also horses can grow mustaches. The more you know.

>>4676176
>Leap from Your horse, to spare it from the chance of being wounded by such foul energy, and tackle Yin Aiguo's horse
Don't kill the horse. If it's a mare then we have the rare chance do breed the GIGA HORSES like what this anon mentioned, >>4676014 if at the least could have their offspring breed to share their GIANT GENES. I'm 100% sure that it would be a great gift to give Jagatai if he hasn't bothered with horse breeding super horses yet. No killing the horse please.

>Recite passages of the journey to serve as shield or dampner against such foul magic. Channel our beliefs.
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>>4676208
Anon we can't kidnap the man AND his horse, we've got the enemy on our ass already.
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>>4676212
We’re a primarch. We should be able to do that much.
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>>4676176
>>Leap from Your horse, to spare it from the chance of being wounded by such foul energy, and tackle Yin Aiguo's horse
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>>4676176
>Leap from Your horse, to spare it from the chance of being wounded by such foul energy, and tackle Yin Aiguo's horse
Does this mean we charge through the flames? I suppose Lieren is more agile and dexterous than his horse.
>Recite passages of the journey to serve as shield or damper against such foul magic. Channel our beliefs.
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>>4676208
I am throwing all my weight behind killing this horse.
The guy is slinging around warpshit like it's going out of style and we're already ditching Cui Fu's steed to spare it from possibly getting torn asunder or filled full of holes from enemy gunfire.
We need to even the playing field, however slightly. This also makes it easier for us to get a shot off at him on top of all that.
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>>4676176
>>Leap from Your horse, to spare it from the chance of being wounded by such foul energy, and tackle Yin Aiguo's horse
>>Recite passages of the journey to serve as shield or dampner against such foul magic. Channel our beliefs.
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>>4676195
Nevermind, I'm a dumb asshole who can't read. I didn't realize we were tackling it on top of leaping from our own horse. Remove shooting it from my vote.
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>>4676225
If you’re putting all your weight behind it then fall on your sword. We’ve never had a proper fight at a 100%, we’ve always used some trick to win. Even the sorceror fight was us just flexing on him as we outplayed him at every turn. Also killing an animal like that is against Lieren’s character.
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>>4676251
I opted for the immediately lethal option because I wasn't actually aware that we were taking down the horse anyways as we leap off of our own.
That's my bad for not actually reading the second half of the option I picked.
The initial vote that I put in now looks like I suggested we tackle the horse, get back up, and then make it a point to 360 no-scope it for no real reason.
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>>4676251
It isn't. And we haven't, actually, the clearing of Mao castle

And killing an animal is so not against his character, since it's a foe being used by an enemy. Killing them is permissabe if we think it allows us to survive.
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>>4676269
That wasn’t a “proper fight” by any means. How is Lieren offscreening an army a “proper fight”?
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>>4676176
>Leap from Your horse, to spare it from the chance of being wounded by such foul energy, and tackle Yin Aiguo's horse
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>>4676212
Sure we could. We show the horse who's boss and lasso it with rope, it'll have to canter after us while we have the guy over our shoulder.

Speaking of the general of the hour, if we manage to capture him, should we try to purge the taint from his body? Would there be any corruption to clean in the first place?
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>>4676297
Are the tiger people we saved considered to be corrupted?
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>>4676297
Mid combat lassoing?
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>>4676176
Tackle other horse.
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>Battle in China
>Rebel army defeats the regime in power despite being outnumbered
>Takes place during the Spring and Autumn Period, China's equivalent to Classical Greece and presumably the time period Shangrala imitates
>Literally a rebellion against the Yan dynasty
Fellas, are we gonna have to channel the World Eaters?
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>>4676176
> Fire a volley toward Yin Aiguo, responding in kind to his aggression.
>Leap from Your horse, to spare it from the chance of being wounded by such foul energy, and tackle Yin Aiguo's horse
Kill the horse. Cavalry is a pain to deal with.
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Gentlemen didn't we wade through an army before? If we do it again he cant attack without friendly fire. We take a route that means he cant do something without attacking them! We then spear tackle him and pull his whole damn arm off if needs be to get that weapon away from him. He is smart and is experienced in war but if we don't give him time to think it won't help nor will he be able to counter if he can't actually do anything about it
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>>4676311
They are just "at risk" of being corrupted, since they came from foul beginnings.
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>>4676403
While it may work before he went all glowy, the man murdered his father on the orders of the Yan King and the Yan King has ordered us dead. Do you think he gives a shit if 30 to 200 of his own men have to die to friendly fire to take our own life?
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>>4676403
something makes me think this dude has no issue with friendly fire, especially if it's to kill us, and end the rebellion
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>>4676407
>>4676409
Correct. At this point taking him intact is a suggestion and if the spear is an archeotech device housing an AI we might not need him.
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Maybe the lads watching would lose heart for him killing their mates more than we are
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>>4676415
No. Taking him alive is still priority not a suggestion. The only thing that's going to prompt us to kill him is if he's about to kill us or about to wipe out the village. Everything and everyone else is an acceptable casualty.
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>>4676404
Okay but they seem to be just mutant Vishnu and some of the wild Vishnu went all Khorne during their last battle with the tiger men and started killing their own people. If we put aside mind control/possession, chaos corrupts usually those with compatible beliefs and Lieren has been teaching the tiger people children restrain so they do not seem to be more at risk than say the wild or even regular Vishnu.
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>>4676415
There is also the matter of taking his memories although I don't know how effective it will be if we do it while he is dying(we didn't test the Lotus Scepter on humans yet). It seems unlikely that we will be able to capture him alive with how things are going.
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>>4676448
yeah, from his POV it makes it seem he might be a true believer to the point of delusion. I don't know what 'good' information we might get out of him.
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>>4676424
No? We already can figure out what Yan intends to do with all the facts in front of us. We can tell that Yan consorts with daemons and those that consort with daemons tend to summon them and perform other sorceries as well. We also know that daemon summoning requires sacrifices from the sorceror under the mountain and the hidden master. Doesn’t take Sherlock to realize that the hostages are sacrifices to summon daemons. So his survival is optional at this point.
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>>4676457
We wanted to know the plans of the Yan concerning the hostage villagers. Perhaps, in the worst case scenario, some of Aiguo's people like his aides or second-in-command will have the information we want.
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>>4676458
We also wanted the location of the hostages. If all of them are going to be used as a sacrifice, then it's going to be something big. Can Lieren take on something like a greater daemon?
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>>4676474
Safest guess is the castle, Yan’s castle. Not sure if he could beat a Greater Daemon without psyker bullshit, maybe he could.
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>>4676498
We could probably take a page from Sigmar's Empire in Warhammer Fantasy and use mass artillery against the daemon. Not sure if it will work as well in 40k but we have that option. Unless the daemon is a Keeper of Secrets and starts turning our artillery crews against us or something.
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>>4676524
>Slaaneshi cult
>not summoning a Keeper of Secrets
Again not sure if we can kill it.
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>>4676498
We don't want guesses. We want answers.
So avoid killing him until it's unavoidable.
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>>4676541
Me neither though I don't think we will be thrown against an unwinnable encounter without a reason. While most of the Yan are probably Slaaneshi cultists as it seems, that doesn't mean that they can't employ for example a Tzeentch sorcerer. It will be funny if we have a plot twist that all the Yan Slaaneshi worshippers are controlled by a Tzeentch guy. But it's best not to discount something from the beginning. Do you think that the cave drawings depicted the Yan fight against Tzeentch cultist because they themselves were Slaanesh cultists or were corrupted by Slaanesh later?
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>>4676548
If you’re 90% sure is it a guess? I’ve been saying daemons were involved since the first thread so my “guesses” seem pretty accurate.
>>4676561
Remember that a fox accompanying the Yan. Now take into account what Malal and I said.
>>4676054
>>4676048
It becomes clear the “Mandate of Heaven” is just a revolving door of puppets for the Chaos gods.
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>>4676541
Maybe they will end up summoning a lower daemon than a keeper of secrets because we are in a period of relative calm in the warp (compared to the fall of eldar and post-heresy)?
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>>4676604
Well, it is kinda clear when all the cultures have chaotic tint and they are rule by a court of eight.
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if the fanatical religous nation that hates everyone else is the only one that isn't corrupt.
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>>4676604
Huh. Well it's an interesting scenario if they were corrupted from back then. We will see what we can learn about that ancient city when we go back there.
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>>4676609
“Calm” means Chaos is weaker not that it’s necessarily harder to summon daemons. That’s the main reason I suspect Lieren could win. Only two things could put Lieren on top for sure: Archeotech and psyker bullshit, and we likely don’t have time to visit Kanzeon.
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>>4676458
Oh god oh fuck oh no
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You guys think Space Dad will mind scrub our knowledge of Daemons when we meet?
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>>4676754
I have no doubt we'll have to pass some speech checks. Get your write-ins ready, fellas.
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>>4676758
>"But space dad, how can I defend myself and the Imperium against them if I dont know about them anymore?"
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>>4676754
Just use the scepter before meeting him.
And than make it public.
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>>4676801
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>>4676815
>we're actually playing the story of the canon 2nd primarch
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>>4676826
it's all coming together
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>>4676754
I mean, Jaghatai Khan knew of demons and the emperor just told his legion to not talk about it...
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>>4676176
>>Leap from our horse
>>Kill his mount in a single blow
>>Recite passages of the journey to serve as shield or dampner against such foul magic. Channel our beliefs.

"Spare me your servile meows to your master and spare me from your nonsense. Face me like a man and shut up. And lastly throwing your men at me, will not aid you. After all you have that demonic spear .... or perhaps you know deep in your heart that is no holy relic and as such you don t use his true power !"
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>>4676604
Any guess without proof is a guess. Even if it is almost certain to be true, it is still a guess.

So unless your guesses are able to point at a map and tell us the defences of the Yan kings city, its layout, where specifically the people are being kept, how many men are under the control of he Fox and the Quillin and do it all with a hundred percent accuracy then we should still be sticking to the plan.
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>>4676176
>>4676192
>Leap from our horse
>Kill his mount in a single blow
>Recite passages of the journey to serve as shield or dampner against such foul magic. Channel our beliefs.
THISSSSS
Also our horse > his horse.
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Killing the horse is completely unnecessary especially here. I don’t even think you guys realize what you are voting for.
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>>4677224
Dude, give it a rest. It's killing a god damn horse to unseat the motherfucker and prevent him access to it ever again.

Unless you can give concrete benefit in our battle to not doing it, when killing it is quicker thanks to us owning a god damn gun, then stop going on about it like we're all morons without brains just wanting to get it out of the way.
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>>4677239
>without brains for just wanting to get it out of the way

Fuck sake.
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>>4677239
It leaves you open the spear you dumbass. If you really just wanted to knock him of the horse you’d just tackle head-on it since that’s safer.
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>>4677239
Also
>gun
Did you not read what these people are voting for?
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>>4677224
To be fair, I originally voted for sniping his horse, but it looks like that might not be an option now while we're avoiding the deathfire.
It immobilises Yin and makes him easier target to be concussed & removed from battle. This is the whole point we're here. While we jump we paint a target on ourselves and save our means of escape - Fu Cui.
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>>4676826
Workshop just hired malal so in they would have a back story made by the people.
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>>4677402
I think I've found his uniform for when he's writing updates then.
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>>4677409
Guess Malal is a big guy then?
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>>4677411
Of course.
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>>4676826
Not possible, the canon 2nd primarch was said to be an hypocritic overtly-serious jackass
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>>4677477
I guarantee you that's exactly how some of our potentially fallen brothers are gonna see us.
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>>4677477
Give us time, Anon. This setting breaks everyone.
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>>4677483
Not really, Fulgrim said the second calling him arrogant was the height of hypocrisy, that is to say, Fulgrim said that the second was arrogant. And like, no matter which way you see Lieren, the one thing he is not, is Arrogant.
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>>4677477
So the emperor killed him because there wasn't enough space for two of those in the galaxy?
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>>4677492
Technically speaking, there's a chance one of the primarchs just failed and died on his own, rather than having been killed by emperor.
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>>4677491
Kang saw us as arrogant, and besides we are dealing with people who are extremely salty. When someone who is genuine is around fake those fake people won't recognize the genuineness, like in lotr where sauron thought that gandalf was just doing what he did to get power and nothing else.
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>>4677496
>there's a chance one of the primarchs just failed and died on his own, rather than having been killed by emperor
I find that unlikely given how Dorn talks about them.
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>>4677505
Well, i remember reading something about the second primarchs how the one thing worse than betrayal was failure, and what with the xangdan war stuff, it's implied one of the primarchs got merc'd by a xeno
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>>4677496
Its possible that the Emperor gave us a super secret mission and told his other sons that he killed us, while we roam the galaxy doing whatever he sent us to do.
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So then what do people think about the spear?
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>>4677846
Looks functional and glows, but also a weapon of the tyrants, 6/10, bring more prosperity and it gets an 8.
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>>4677846
It's gold, so that automatically makes it worthy of Imperial hands.
That said we still have to determine if it's just channeling the Warp or if it's somehow possessed by a daemon.
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>>4677874
I think it’s a daemonic possession judging from the fact the Lieren is sensing an “EVIL SPIRIT” and something like Kanzeon. I think this is a good chance to learn how to exorcise daemon.
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>>4677883
>I think this is a good chance to learn how to exorcise daemon
I think beating the ever loving shit out of the host and quoting scripture is a good start.
Hell, why not force Yin to read The Journey when we have him captivity? Pic extremely related.
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>>4677883
Evil presence, like someone's mind looking on from afar.

So either the demon is here, watching or it's back with the Yan king in its mortal guise using psychic abilities to project their influence
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>>4677910
The concubine who talked to Aiguo is probably back in the capital watching this fight, though even if the spear isn't possessed, it could be a warp-infused artifact which is still dangerous for most people if I remember correctly.
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>>4677981
Warp infused, yes.
Warp reactive, not so.

So the real question will be "when the presence fades, does the uneasy magic go with it" and that should give us the anwer.
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>>4677409

Yes.
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>>4677988
If it is a normal archeotech spear would we use it as a weapon instead of the chendao?
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>>4678042
I don't see why not, so long as it isn't tainted. Archeotech seems like an all-around upgrade from a weapon we made ourselves.
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>>4678045
It's just that the chendao is a weapon forged in honor of Small Chen's death, so it doesn't seem we would change it, although we could use them interchangeably I guess.
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>>4678059
By change I mean using it as a main weapon.
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>>4678059
We are not so materialistic as to think that we're not honoring our friend's life and sacrifice if we use other weapons not associated with him. Besides, our armor was too and we have no plans to replace it.
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>>4678069
It doesn't seem that's being materialistic but perhaps you're right. On the other hand if this spear requires use of warp/psyker abilities in order to be fully utilized, we might need some practice with that, assuming Lieren is as powerful a psyker as needed.
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>>4678059
Just tape both of them together.
Worst case scenario it still works as a club.
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>>4678094
So uncivilised.
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>>4678094
You know, the chendao is proportional to Lieren's size so how big is this spear? If it's the size of a normal human, it will be small in Lieren's hands.
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>>4678042
No, because we should be using the goddamn monkey king staff.
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>>4678111
If it's not tainted, possessed, still linked to the Yan, or otherwise unusable, we may as well give it to Jinhai.
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>>4678111
Who knows? Archeotech is space magic in its own right.
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>>4678115
Not a bad idea, all things considered. The man's a martial prodigy, not unlike Cui Fu.
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>>4678112
Patience, brother. The prophecy will be fulfilled in due time.
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>>4678115
Good idea, but if it requires you to be a psyker to properly use it, Jinhai will have a problem.
>>4678112
Just have patience, we might yet find something similar if we go back to Kanzeon.
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>>4677874
Personally I think we should bury it in a block of cement until a time where we can safely understand it better.

>>4678042
>duel wielding poking sticks
>one is functionally an artillery cannon
>the other is a super flamethrower

>>4678094
A weapon to surpass metal gear
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>>4676826
There's a reason I made this.

>>4677477
From our own perspective we're not a hypocrite, but that is exactly what we are to everyone else.

>>4676176
>Leap from Your horse
>Kill his mount in a single blow
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>>4678099
>t. Obiwan sherlock clousseau
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>>4678657
Then we only need a machinegun and a laser on each shoulder and we are set.
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>The Chendao(s)
>Among the weapons of the Primarchs, none have earned quite the interest and admiration as the 2nd Primarchs original handcrafted gun-spears and its subsequent improvements and variations
>Some who are more privy to the nature of the Primarchs wonder if Lord Lieren had distant memories back in his gestation pod, watching the Custodes guards patrol through the plasteel-glass viewing port nd such memories simply influenced his decision subconciously.
>Others believe it was merely a fancy and need to mate both the then new style firearms and his favorite weapon together in the simplest form
>Regardless, once Lord Lieren was reunited with his father, many noted te similarity between the Custodes Guardian Spear and the Chendao
>This led to the Emperor himself asking for the weapon from his son, so that the Terawatt Clan Articifers and Mechanicus Lathe-Artifices could study and craft his a new Chendao truly worthy of a Primarch
>Once the new Chendao (The Mk IV) was returned and the Primarch's education on Terra was complete, he went to craft lesser versions for his son
>Since then the Chendaos have become a symbol of the 2nd Legion and its descendants, another link between father and sons
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>>4678969
Meh
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>>4678979
Bleh
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>>4679024
>>4678979
Well fine then
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>>4679024
I wouldn’t go that far but there is no real creativity in that post considering other people have said similar stuff in the previous threads. Chendao is clearly started becoming a creative deadend the harder people fetishize it and continue to retread the same fucking ground. How exploring some other idea instead? Like for fuck sakes we’re soon going to try to kill a daemon with our words yet nobody is talking about that.
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>>4679038
This too has me excited. Lieren expelling a demon via his words may indicate pysker potential.
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>>4678969
>>4679038
I kinda like it
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>>4679117
All primarchs are psykers, I thought this was common knowledge.
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>>4679414
I assume Anon means that it might be evidence of potential for something more than a passive ability, like Dorn's warp-calming power, our evilvision, or Fulgrim's charisma. To my knowledge, Magnus, Curze, Khan, the Twins, pre-nail Angron, and Sanguinius are the only Primarchs with powers they can control, and for Konrad and the Angle, only to a degree.
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>>4679430
Shit, Corvus and Lion have active abilities too. Forgot about them.
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>>4679430
If you want to see if we'll develop psyker powers, just pick the "awaken/unknowingly use psiker powers" option that we get every fight
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>>4679441
You mean the "focus on the pain in your forehead option?" I have been, it always seems to lose out. But I wasn't arguing for the awakening of psychic powers, only offering clarification.
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>>4679446
I feel like the only reason we're not going for those options is because it'd be kinda reckless to try and awaken latent psyker powers in the middle of a battle.
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>>4679600
We've never got the option anywhere else.
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>>4679603
I'm sure we'll get that sensation again once we examine the Golden Spear.
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>>4679603
There are always write ins when we are back at camp, there's plenty of dead time before and after we make plans and schemes for how to topple the Yan.
Meditate with Ghuzo and our students maybe
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>>4679600
>Reckless
>People want to decapitate the horse of the guy that has precognition and wants to kill us with his magical shooty spear
I don’t see the problem.
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>>4679616
Killing the horse, while unnecessary, isn't reckless.
As I understand it, they want to be absolutely sure that Yin's mobility (one of the few things keeping him from getting shot or slashed) is crippled during this battle.
Especially since we're likely not gonna be able to use our steed for the majority of it as well.
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>>4679615
We only get the feeling in our forehead when we fight daemons though. It seems to me like the barrier between us and our powers gets weaker when we're near them, as we've never had the same itch during periods of introspection. We lack the ability to reach into the warp and pull out daemons to test this hypothesis, so after the next update I'll write it in, assuming it isn't already an option. It's not like anything aside from the spear can hurt us, everyone else is using shit-tier firearms.
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>>4679619
My personal reasoning is to both remove his mobility but also that throwing him from his saddle is going to disrupt or throw off his aim of his magic death fire, while leaving him open to a knockout blow.
I also trust Lieren's speed and agility to let us dodge any incoming attacks as we close the distance between us and him, especially since with his horse running at us full pelt it's gonna have a hard time stopping.

I do feel it important to note that the man himself doesn't have precog, it's the concubine.
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>>4679624
Here's the thing though anon, We've never tried.
The sensation we get is one of wrongness and of things that should not be, but we have never sat down and attempted to see if these feelings can help us to enact changes upon the world, because we have had no reason to believe that we could.

I'm inclined to believe that what happens when we get those feelings is the sensation of the warp being used, when the barrier is thin and malevolence is concentrated into daemons and their spellcraft. Actually trying to do it ourself is likely going to take some effort to do, but we can probably get some good practice in between battles.
I'll leave my vote for the write in until we are safely returned to the castle or camp though, not the next post that malal does.
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>>4679616
If you think that killing the guy's horse is reckless, than we better just kneel and let him kill us, because he's obvously unstopable
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>>4679414
I was kind referencing
>>4679430
>>4679432
what was pointing out. Like our potential primarch psyker power might be.
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>>4679642
Running up to and trying to decapitate the horse would create an opening for him, thus is reckless. You could have voted to shoot the horse or tackle the horse (since that would force him to immediately reposition) to force him to force him off without giving him an opening. You could have voted to shot his arm off and prevent/delay further use of the spear.
You have a lot of opinions that aren’t “decapitate the fucking horse” but you insist on that being the only way of doing this.
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this became a discussion
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>>4679661
I vote to shoot the horse.
I mixed the volley and the chopping.
If you can't kill the rider in one go, you kill the horse, otherwise you are fucked.
Killing the horse is quickest option, any pacifist way takes longer.
qst forced IDs on us, so the least you could do is check them.
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>>4679714
Actually, speaking of checking the vote, you voted for leaping of the horse and tackling it, the same as the rest, than spent the rest of the discussion moaning about it being in the lead.
Are you ok?
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>>4679661
How is tackling a horse not giving him an opening as compared to hitting it with a primarch's strength?

Decapitation aside, it's going to go through like a knife through butter and could very well hit the bastard like a gold tee
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If we are referencing this in a pure combat environment strategically speaking

The best option wouldn't be to tackle the horse.

But written in as follows

Technically a primarch would have the reflexes to feasible do a running or, if we want to be more Wuxia, leaping dismount and knock out the horse with a single well aimed blow between the eyes. This would instantly dismount the rider and not kill the horse.

Granted this is so much Asspull that I don't think Malal would approve but it would be well within primarch reflexes, skill and ability and showcase just how overpowering a being a primarch is.

GRANTED

I want him to exorcise a demon with him quoting passages from the Journey but it's easier to exorcise a weakened and surprised individual.

And being dismounted by having your horse knocked out is surprising if I ever heard it and would shock his troops.
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>>4679661
Also my dude, how the fuck is using a long polearm to attack more dangerous than going right next to the crazy man and jumping on him?
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>>4679741
You just make me want to vote for Lieren to drop kick the guy off his horse and mount said beast mid-air.
Just to flex.
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lmao just flip the horse over. if the man is still mounted to the horse, and the horse falls, so too does the man. worst case scenario he some fucking how lands on his feet and combat reinitiates. Funny scenario the horse falls over and crushes him.
You guys can fucking imagine it too right? This fucker start throwing around super warp spear flames, but gets brought low when his massive as all hell horse crushes and tramples him to unconsciousness? Best/funniest way to end a fight encounter.
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>>4679775
I'll support this too,

>>4676176
in addition to the whole, generally falcon diving off our own horse and do some mad martial arts flexing. Whatever the consensus was.
>Leap from Your horse, to spare it from the chance of being wounded by such foul energy, and tackle Yin Aiguo's horse
>Recite passages of the journey to serve as shield or dampner against such foul magic. Channel our beliefs.
stuff
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>>4676365
I will add this to my vote too just to make sure:
>Recite passages of the journey to serve as shield or dampner against such foul magic. Channel our beliefs.
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>>4679789
This. Site our Journey while flexing on him. We need to make them understand the power they are up against.

Also could you imagine the propaganda and the fun Malal will have writing about how Lieren did a flying dragon snap kick? It also is kind of Monkey King level mischief too.
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Calling the vote now. Sorry for the wait.

Leap from your horse:15
-Tackle the horse:8
-Kill the horse in a single blow:7
Plant yourself in the field and fire at the closest riders to Yin Aiguo:1
Recite passages of the journey to serve as shield or damper against such foul magic. Channel our beliefs:9
Fire a volley toward Yin Aiguo, responding in kind to his aggression:1
FLEX:3

So Lieren shall leap from his horse, to keep from risking its life, and by using the carp's dance, will avoid the foul magicks to attempt to FUCKING TACKLE Yin Aiguo's horse.

While reciting passages from the journey and reinforcing the fortifications within his minds through his unbreakable beliefs.

Writing now

>>4679789
Based Leman

>>4672847
Haven't had the time to draw a map, even though I've been trying to find the time for it

>>4677206
I mean that's a fact. Your nameless steed is basically 40k red hare
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>>4679901
or 30k rather
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>>4679901
He's a primarch. He's Lieren. It won't be an attempt it will be a tackle that the Emperor would be proud of.

I hope my quest lives up to this kind of hype moment over at xi primarch quest. Your awesome and got me back into writing FYI
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Half a moment is all the time you require to come to a decision. In the time it takes to blink, you have weighed the risk, reward and percentile chances of every possible action you could feasibly perform before the spear's foul magic reaches your steed and can thus inflict harm or a worse fate upon the ever loyal beast.

Killing the horse, effective, easy. But would it stay dead? Sorcerous energies had proven capable of keeping a dedicated and withered corpse walking and moving with the same ease as though he was still of living flesh and blood. Thus, there it is not entirely impossible that even slaughtering Yin Aiguo's steed will not halt its charge. Though that would require the multicolored fire to function on the same principles as the corrupting crystals.

Tackling the beast however, would at least ensure that Yin Aiguo is pinned to the ground or knocked from his saddle. And while it is a most illogical and childish fear, you do not wish to risk having to contend with a rider who sits atop a living dead steed coated in abominable flames. If the lord of the Northern Yin is truly aided by an ethereal being of the same breed as the unseen master, you must prepare to confront the fantastical and logically impossible. You must fight as though you had been trapped in a dream, rather than as you would when facing a more mundane opponent.

As strange as it is, the unseen master did not merely suffer wounds to his pride and bravado when you chanted the journey during your battle with the monstrous thing, but rather suffered a pain far more corporeal than an injured ego or insulted belief. So it stands to reason, that if the benefactor of the general who has empowered him with such wicked magics is the same being as the Unseen master, then it shall suffer similarly when exposed to your philosophy, spoken confidently and earnestly.

Blinking your eyes, you come to a conclusion with in the fraction of a second required for you to fully plan and commit to a course of action. The scene plays within the theater of your mind. Slide your legs from the saddle, kick off the ground as the attack is launched, freeing your horse from its burden.

Avoid the sorcerous death that has begun to tear asunder the plains like a knife through the flesh of a peach, by performing the carp dance which would all serve to preserve the momentum produced by your leap into the air. Tackle the horse the moment it is within your grasp, to redirect the remaining kinetic energy into the grapple. How troublesome, it will be perhaps the second most vigorous exercise you've performed in your eight years of life.

Trailing right behind the battle of Mao castle like a little brother following his elder.

Take a deep breath, you taste strange scents and flavors upon the air. Over ripe peaches, concentrated brandy, heavy incense smoke, Oiled furs, sweat and caramelized sugar. No doubt a result of the foul flames scorching away the natural beauty of these plains uncovered by fog.
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>>4680061

It shall soon cease such reckless and wild destruction. Allowing the reins to slip from your hands, you shift your position upon the saddle to allow your right leg to reach the ground. With unmatched rapidity and grace, you throw yourself from the back of your sweating and panicked steed and at the very same moment, kick the ground with all of your might.

Muscles pull taught, and cry out from the sheer magnitude of effort required to produce such a potent burst of pure force within the span of time it'd take for a drop of rain to splatter upon the ground.

Like a bolt of lightning forged of steel, like a living bullet, your soar in the air and allow your body to go limp and your mind empty to be able to accurately dodge and avoid the storm of chaotic destruction lashing towards you.

"To give when one has plenty, is virtuous" You chant serenely, as your vision is obscured by a wave of burning golds and pinks, accompanied by a brilliant yet aberrant shade of white "To share when one has little, is virtuous"

The multicolored flames suddenly explode outward and you hear a most terrible shriek of rage, a woman's voice beneath the metallic cry of the lashing tendrils of death.

It screams "Slay the naive fool who dares speak such insipid platitudes!". Its words travel through the flames, it is not within the flames, nor is it near even if the stench of its presence still violates your perception.

Yin Aiguo roars in reply, rather to your sudden leap towards him or the command of his unseen mistress. Using your arms to shift your weight more effectively, you begin to twist your body through the air as a carp swims through a stream.

What sights you see, within the dancing flames. The gleam of flags, the shimmering of dripping drool, the sheen of sweat and oil coated forms, the steam that rises from a vast feast.

it lasts for all of a moment, as you slip through the massive, clawed hand that tendrils of flames have formed into, falling past its palm like water.

Stiffening once more, you tighten the muscles in your arm as you come screaming towards a ground like a falling star. Shooting both of them forward like spears, they hit the ground before the back of your skull, by a fraction of a Cun.

Flipping your body around, the titanic inferno twisted into a hand, digs into the ground in an attempt to snatch you and smother the life from your body.

So you do exactly the same, digging your hands deep into the soil, to act as leverage as you push yourself once more into the air. Like an acrobatic may, to please a crowd, you use all of your might to throw yourself spiralling once more towards the sky.

There is a loud, metallic hiss, the sound of a blood boiling in a pot forged of the purest of gold, heated over the burning entrails of a sinner.

"Both are acts of generosity!" You yell to be heard over the premature cries of victory uttered by the spear and its wielder "A virtue that wears many masks"
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>>4680065

You see Yin Aiguo's eyes widen, as he realize the seemingly endless horizon of your abilities, before they narrow to contain instead a deeply concentrated spite. Righting your trajectory, you position one of your legs, thrusting it forward and tilting its foot in preparation for your landing.

"To be generous" You say, as you feel the rush of blazing heat upon your back, accompanied by the stench of lurid and illicit acts and shows of excess and pointless hedonis "is to be virtuous. If your tree bears an extra fruit, share it, if one looks at your fruit hungrily, share it"

A mocking sneer plays across your lips as you toes reach the ground, and you leap forward once again. The Gap between you and Yin Aiguo will close in but three strides more.

An animalistic roar of rage mingled with the crackling of quenched metal rings in your ears. You cannot tell if it is the voice speaking through the flames, or Yin Aiguo making such a terrible noise.

"If you have one fruit and a child has none" You say, pulling your legs to your chest to increase the distance of bounding leap "split it in half and share it. Generosity is one of the most virtuous acts a man can commit"

By the polished surface of your Chendao, you can see that the great hand of fire has become a expansive maw of flame, complete with teeth formed of white and golden tinged embers.

It rushes towards you, but you avoid its snapping bite by dropping your weight to fall to the ground once more, and to take another leap. The mouth of flame gets a taste of dirt and charred grass, and without any hesitation you continue your chant.

"But do not do so for the sake of being virtuous" You state in a tone of utter calm as the snarling jaws of the raging yet controlled inferno turn into a mass of grasping, feminine hands tipped with claws "Do so because you can!"

"Blessed by the courts" Yin Aiguo mutters as he lowers the spear and himself, preparing to lance you through as he stubbornly continues his charge forward, as you again bound closer to the general and his steed, conversing as much momentum as possible.

"A man who can be generous without thinking, is more virtuous than the man who choose to be generous so he may be praised!" You proclaim for all beneath the heavens to hear, shameless and boastful in your beliefs "Do not give so others may admire you, give to give"

You feel the hands of flames grasp at your back, clawing and struggling to reach the gaps within your armor. The stench of carnal acts mingles with the acrid aroma of half digested foods and wasteful indulgent paints and cosmetics. Touching the ground once again, you take the final leap forward as Yin Aiguo lowers and aims the spear's head directly for where your heart would be.

If you were a normal man.

Something strange happens within the spear, a different form of energy completely dissimilar to the sheer potency of the sorcerous power it has thus far brought to bare. Electricity courses within it.
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>>4680067

You can see it beneath the gold.

Writhing and crawling. A pale light begins to glow through the six fanged spear.

"If you have nothing to give" You state, curling the thumb and fingers of your left hand into the form of the tiger style, preparing to strike the horse rushing to you, and dig your digits into its hide to secure your grip upon it "Then do not give what little you have"

Three beams of bright green light fly from the spearhead like split bolts of lightning, spiraling around each other and a central beam of brighter, more concentrated light. So aimed to strike between your twin hearts.

Your feet touch the ground. Instinctively, by reflexes honed by your study, training and experience of battle, your left hand shoots forward. tilting your palm, the beam of glowing light strikes the polished steel upon it.

A torturous pain shoots through your limb, super heated knives flensing through it, roughly digging into the meat beneath. That is what it feels like, the work of an unskilled butcher. The steel upon your arm is shorn, cut into thin shavings as lines of light run as far as your shoulder.

But you do not cry in pain. The only damage is to your armor. It simply inflicts a pure form of agony, and you have long trained yourself to ignore such petty distractions.

Undeterred, you reach forward with your right hand, and instead of digging into the horses flesh, grab onto its harness tightly. The split lightning, struggles against what remains of the gauntlet covering your hand in this moment. To all other eyes, it would appear as though your armor exploded from your arm rather than being peeled away.

And to all eyes, it would appear as though the beam of deadly light had been met by a similar, yet stronger energy emitting from your own palm. Such is the haste of which you moved.

In reality, in the moment before the beam would meet your unprotected skin, you tilt your wrist. And thus, against the now concave plat of steel set over your wrist, the beam is redirected and flies away from you.

The beam of light stops, the spear becomes coated in steam, and a soldier that road behind Yin Aiguo is subjected to the most torturous and horrific death your eyes have ever personally beheld.

His lavish armor, is ripped away in layers thinner than a silk shawl. Then, his skin runs with a bright green light as he wails in a mindless panic, as his nerves are each individually plucked and torn asunder, before a searing heat burns through. Yet the man still screams, still feeling the horrific agonies of being roasted and skinned alive simultaneously. His skin lifts, slowly, layer by layer, exposing his fat in muscles as the heat turns his still living hide to embers. His voice becomes shrill, pitiful and most unnerving.

Finally, he manages to reach to try and guard himself by the light that has condemned him to such a distasteful fate.
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>>4680073

He does not die as he falls from his horse, as his muscles and meat are slowly, agonizingly separated into progressively thinner ribbons. He dies when his skull is crushed by his comrades riding forward, unafraid and unmoved by his horrific end.

The hands of flame grip onto your armor, shocking you back to action. Just before Yin Aiguo's horse barrels into you, you latch your left hand onto its lower leg and continue forward, slamming your chest against its own.

With the momentum you carried forward from you ceaseless charge and flight towards the General, your power, already incomparable to any creature or man you have yet met, is further magnified. While you would not need this boost to tackle and flip a horse, it will allow you to use less energy yourself. For, while you would not require all of your strength to tackle a horse, in a battle to the death, every calorie and breath counts.

"FOR GENEROSITY, SOON TURNS TO MADNESS! AND OPEN, OFFERING HANDS, CAN LEAD AS EASILY TO RUIN AS THEY CAN LEAD TO!" You roar defiantly, rage fueled by the disgusting death you had just witnessed

The dappled horse whines, kicking and trying to pull from your grip as you carry it and its rider forward, lifting them after two steps. The lurid flames fly from your back, no longer attempting to hold and drag you back. Instead, they wrap around Yin Aiguo, and feed further into his coat of fire.

The General himself seems studden, and somewhat horrified by the fact you have lifted him and his steed from the ground. Twisting your limbs, you fling the fully grown horse towards the oncoming army, that struggles to stop in time to avoid trampling their leader.

The beast cries and whines in pain. One of its legs has been broken. A recoverable injury. Yin Aiguo remains airborne, one of his legs bent and twisted at an unnatural angle, having been caught upon his saddle as he had been sent flying.

He does however, not drop, blood pours from his leg and turns to steam.

The fire holds him aloft.

His face first flushes with pain before a disturbingly content expression of pleasure replaces it, his eyes filled with the haze of lust.

His cloak of fire grows, somehow suspending him in the air. He "stands" at your height. The army that road behind him struggles to regroup and recommence their charge.

"Prosperity" You sigh, pulling your now bare left arm back to your chest, the remaining slivers of steel falling from your hand as you do so.

"Heeeeh....heeeeeh....heeeh. Impressive" Yin Aiguo says as a drunkard would, his cheeks flushed a deep scarlet hue"But such grace and strength is meaningless before the strength of the heavens"

"Shaaaaa!" You bark, beckoning the general to attack as you grip your Chendao with both hands once again.

The fox tail tied to the spear he wields flicks from side to side, as if alive. All of the ethereal strings surrounding the general, originate from the tip of that tail. It is the source of the flames.
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>>4680076

You can see that now that it's in front of you. And it is alive. It is acting as a receiver for the potent power of the entity that has so empowered Yin Aiguo.

Fascinating and disturbing. You wish to burn that tail. Just the sight of it inspires so much wrath and disgust within you, that you had no noticed that the robes you wear beneath your armor, and a few strands of your hair, had been lit alight by golden flame. Odd, you had not felt its touch and still do not

What is your second move, Lieren?
>Use the Chendao as a Guandao, and attempt to take or cripple Yin Aiguo's arm.
>Circle the general, stabbing probing strikes towards him as you attempt to tire out his already wounded body.
>Charge forward, and crack the general's jaw with the counterweight at the end of your weapon.
>Use the recoil of firing your Chendao, to compliment your strikes, combining such attacks with your unarmed tiger style to attack in an unpredictable manner
>Write in?

>>4679949
Thanks! I think you're awesome to. Glad I've inspired you to get writing again. I Know how hard it can be to get motivation on that front, at times.

And I know I am enjoying 11th Primarch Quest so far, it has a nice setting and tone. also the "fight" with 11th's uncle was pretty cool. Keep up the good work, Old Man!
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>>4680081
>>Use the recoil of firing your Chendao, to compliment your strikes, combining such attacks with your unarmed tiger style to attack in an unpredictable manner
>Surrender yourself to pure instinct while we focus on the pain between our eyes. Let yourself see without seeing, feel without feeling, and push past the material with purpose and control.
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>>4680084
Change "material" to "pain" if that reads a bit too much like "develop psychic powers because we're so cool."
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>>4680073
>Charge forward, focus fire a shot into the ethereal strings originating from the tip of the spear
>Use the recoil of firing your Chendao, to compliment your strikes, combining such attacks with your unarmed tiger style to attack in an unpredictable manner
>Continue chanting the versus of the Journey until it is finished
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Ah, just caught on that I put Tiger style instead of fog panther style. My bad!
I blame the wuxia movies I watch for this mistake
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>>4680090
Support.

Develop our powers off the battlefield.
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>>4680081
>>Charge forward, focus fire a shot into the ethereal strings originating from the tip of the spear
>>Use the recoil of firing your Chendao, to compliment your strikes, combining such attacks with your unarmed tiger style to attack in an unpredictable manner
>>Continue chanting the versus of the Journey until it is finished
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>>4680081
Supporting >>4680090
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>>4680081
>Use the recoil of firing your Chendao, to compliment your strikes, combining such attacks with your unarmed tiger style to attack in an unpredictable manner
>Keep on quotting the Journey
So the staff itself isn't the source of corrution than. Not sure if Lieren would want to use it though, it seems to inflict a brutal and horrific death.
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>>4680084
This.
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>>4680081
>Use the recoil of firing your Chendao, to compliment your strikes, combining such attacks with your unarmed tiger style to attack in an unpredictable manner
>Continue chanting the verses of the Journey until it is finished
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>>4680081
Here’s something I think might work.
>Reformulate our Journey into something that is design specifically to attack this spirit and reject its nature
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>>4680477
But anon, our Journey already works wonders against Chaos.
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>>4680486
And? Improvement is a part of the Journey and we have said perfection doesn’t exist.
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>>4680488
fair enough, I'm just worried about reformulating our mantras in the middle of a fight
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>>4680081
As much as I want psyker powers like the next guy, we're now fighting a flying daemonhost in the middle of a cavalry while we're dismounted. It doesn't seem like the time to mess around.

Instead, supporting maximum chen dao abuse especially if we can be extraordinarily lucky enough to snipe the fox tail.
I think it'll be fine if we plink at either the cavalry lead elements or as reaction mass to use the carp dance during a midair jumping slash.

The not!gaussflayer spear is a target and we should secure this weapon when we extract Yin. To support those objectives, I vote:
>Use the Chendao as a Guandao, and attempt to take or cripple Yin Aiguo's arm - leaping at him
>Use the recoil of firing your Chendao, to compliment your strikes, combining such attacks with your unarmed tiger style to attack in an unpredictable manner
>while dancing, nonchalantly parry his spear and take out the fox tail

On a sidenote, I had nothing against Yin's horse but saw its death as expedient to the capture. I'm happy we could try something new while doing this.


I think that in this continuity the Soul Drinkers will have a new form of their chapter relic that was originally a spear. They'll still tell the tyrant High Lords of Terra where the sun doesn't shine, and I'm happy about this.
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>>4680081
>>4680529
Oh and
>continue chanting the Journey and the virtue of selflessness
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>>4680529
I think a good in-character reaction after this would be to meditate on the actual nature of these "sorceries" and Lieren's reaction to their presence.
It's the prudent thing to do anyways since we it's all but confirmed that the Yan have even more magical weapons at their disposal.
Whether or not that leads to exploring our potential as a Psyker is anybody's guess, but I think it would at least be as good a shot as any.
>TLDR: Lieren would be spooked and recognize that after the battle, and thus likely meditate on it, possibly confirming if he's a Psyker in the process
I feel like Lieren would definitely have the potential to be a Psyker though. His ability to take a measure of a man or their words is starting to get ridiculous, even for a Primarch.
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>>4680081
>>Use the recoil of firing your Chendao, to compliment your strikes, combining such attacks with your unarmed tiger style to attack in an unpredictable manner
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>>4680477
No need to reformulate, the Journey is very diverse, so just change the topic.
Since it is a daemonette, any part that exalts abstinence and self-control should work.
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>>4680666
Actually, any part that would exalt physical prowess or honor and chivalry should work too, since they are part of Khorne's domain and therefore Slannesh's rival.
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>>4680673
Why not both?
I'm sure we have a few verses about the importance of self-control in regards to honorable combat.
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>>4680081
>Use the recoil of firing your Chendao, to compliment your strikes, combining such attacks with your unarmed tiger style to attack in an unpredictable manner
>Continue chanting the versus of the Journey until it is finished
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..so we've seen nurgles toad, tsetches minion in the forest and now as misguided slave from slannesh. and some hints that the a clan from the tribe in the forest was following Khorne.

….seems like we really are slowly but surly changing this planets fate of being a chaos world.
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You know, the way Lieren attacks daemons with the Journey is basically denying their very existence, since for an example a daemon of Slaanesh is a physical manifestation of excess, by decrying that you could live without it, it's as if you say his entire existence is a lie. It was probably horrifying for the first daemons that watched the Materium to see that their way of life wasn't needed to live there and there were other ways.
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>>4680767
The toad dragon existed for at least a century if I remember correctly and the people in the underground city were Tzeentch/chaos followers since probably the ancient times of this world so it doesn't seem to me that it's worse than normal for 40k considering it hasn't already turned to one.
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>>4680774
I wonder what's kept it in check then. The Yan have been around and presumably Slaaneshi for a while now and I doubt that the other big civilizations are free of taint. I guess Shanrala is a bit like Caliban, but with more active Chaos worshippers. Maybe we're close to the Eye?
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>>4680081
>Use the recoil of firing your Chendao, to compliment your strikes, combining such attacks with your unarmed tiger style to attack in an unpredictable manner
>Continue chanting the versus of the Journey until it is finished
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>>4680777
It could be that the influence of chaos wasn't strong enough to turn it into a daemon world or something or someone stopped them from succeeding including each other since the various gods dislike each other and rarely they join forces. Maybe the previous dynasty the Jia were followers of another god and the Yan overthrew them before they accrued enough power. Even if they followed the same god, they may have been different factions(even followers of the same god fight each other).
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>>4680777
You familiar with the “crabs in a bucket” metaphor?
>>4680666
>>4680673
>>4680686
It can still be further improved. I also think we’ll be seperating the Journey into smaller more managable books down the line. I could imagine one of them being called “108 Rejections of Chaos”.
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>>4680807
>You familiar with the “crabs in a bucket” metaphor?
My question is not so much "Why haven't the followers of one god claimed the planet for themselves," but rather "why didn't we land on a roiling mass of warpstuff in the middle of a perpetual four-way battle?"
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>>4680860
Maybe cannon Malal swiped a servant or few from each god to give us something to blood ourselves against.

Trying to fuck up his brothers more than normal.
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>>4680860
Because pulling a planet into the warp is an immensely difficult thing for a cult that can span stars, knows the rituals and numerology, understands the underpinning occult principles to follow, Has billions to sacrifice and the coordination to do it the planet over symultaniously.

How do you expect comparitive primitives to do it with none of these things?
We aren't near any notable tears in realspace either, so the veil isn't naturally weak either.
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>>4680868
>Maybe canon Malal swiped a servant or few from each god to give us something to blood ourselves against.
Dastardly, and exactly the type of long term planning I would expect from Malal.
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>>4680860
It could be that the various followers are good at disrupting each others efforts. Or there might be some reason we haven't discovered yet, like something from the colony ships or the planets archeotech preventing the total spread of chaos over the planet.
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>>4680900
>It could be that the various followers are good at disrupting each others efforts.
So what you're saying is that when all four pillars of the Ruinous Powers are in balance...they bring chaos?
Who would have thought.
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>>4680543
Its definitely worth the meditation session. We could possibly try that right after this fight, and when we regroup with our army.

What should we do with evil magic enchanted spear when we're done? Destroy it? I'm more inclined for wrapping it up in a shit ton of canvas+leather, tying it to a length of rope, and just dragging it with us until we have the time to bury it in a block of cement.

>>4680777
That does bring up a very good question. With how many chaos stuff working around us, it makes you wonder if the proximity of the Eye of Terror plays a part in any of this.

>>4680801
Maybe the fog acts like a curtain or shield against more Chaos stuffs?
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>>4680906
>We could possibly try that right after this fight, and when we regroup with our army
Assuming we get back with time to spare before the battle, we can probably meditate while we wait for Yin to wake up from the ass-beating we're about to give him.
>What should we do with evil magic enchanted spear when we're done?
We should study it and make our decision from there. It's likely not possessed and just acts as a conduit for the concubine's warp shit.
Assuming we remove the fox tail from it, it should be far safer and likely an immaculate weapon it its own right.
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>>4680904
It's probably the reason why most chaos worshipers are insane. Chaos is weird for the people of the Materium.
>>4680906
It's seems as if the weapon itself is not corrupted and is potentially usable, though I'm not certain and we can take a look at it after the battle anyway unless we destroy it. We just need to destroy that fox's tail tied on it first. Also the Immaterium is everywhere(at least in this galaxy) but some areas have bigger leaks than usual if I understand it correctly. Other planets are likely bathed in chaos. Lastly, after the war we need to take care of a lot of things and we can add looking for chaos sightings in the list.
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>>4680860
Chaos presence isn t that strong during 30k, especially in real space. For Shangrala in particular, it could be that chaos it self has only slowly taken over noble courts aided perhaps by artifacts. Such as the golden spear.

It could also be that is in part cut away by the people. For example the magical monsters are hated and feared, but many have even attempt to kill them.
The monks orders in Yang where destroyed not so long ago. They where probably working for cleanse away evils spirits and ideals.
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>>4680081
Thanks
>>4680781
Backing this one
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>Use the recoil of firing your Chendao, to compliment your strikes, combining such attacks with your unarmed tiger style to attack in an unpredictable manner
>Continue chanting the versus of the Journey until it is finished
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>>4680950
Supporting this. Finally caught up yo
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>Use the recoil of firing your Chendao, to compliment your strikes, combining such attacks with your unarmed tiger style to attack in an unpredictable manner
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>>4680920
It might be worth restoring the Monk order somewhere later down the line. Maybe combine them with a some schools of martial arts like the Carp and Fog Panther styles?
We could add "Monks & Meditation" as a kind of optional extracurricular study for students when we finally get our education system up and running.
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>>4681197
Wait...I just thought of something.
>Every noble under Yan fucking hates the Monks apparently
>Nobles ordered they be exterminated
>Highest levels of nobility are consorting with daemons
I think the order that Guozai belonged too might have been considered a real threat to Chaos. Hell, they may have been Psykers too.
If we can rebuild the order and task them with the studying the nature of the warp on top of attaining enlightenment, we might have a proper bulwark against the more direct agents of Chaos.
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So our Librarian recruitment location
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>>4681208
>and task them with the studying the nature of the warp on top of attaining enlightenment
Now your heart is in the right place, but they way you worded that made it sound like the worst idea. Generally trying to study the warp without being really mentally STONK will lead to corruption? It would be safer to recreate the monk order to "fight" against "chaos and corruption," be it passively or actively.
As far as studying goes, being able to point out the leather books made of human skin, the general symbols of chaos, spooky voices whispering to you, and the blood boiling on the walls would probably be enough for them? I don't know man I'm really adamant about the whole "in-depth study of the warp" kinda deal. Magnus and his sone got reamed real hard when their "familiars" betrayed them and all.
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>>4681226
nice nice nice nice

So anyone got any idea what's going on with Lieren and such? The golden light? Whats this all about? Any ideas on what specific kind of psyker he might be?
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>>4681233
I said "study", not "treat daemons like fucking pokemon". The warp should always be treated much the same way as a violent schizophrenic; with the utmost fucking caution and distance.
>>4681234
>Any ideas on what specific kind of psyker he might be?
Telepathy or Divination seem like something Lieren would be good at provided he has the potential for Psyker shit.
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>>4681234
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Theosophamy
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>>4681208
>>4681233
>>4681208
>>4681197
Yeah we have to find a middle path. Like studying the warp just enough fight it, and maintain a high discipline and order, but try to stay away from becoming any form of chaos. Like an active understanding to fight it. Similar to the grey knights.

ALTHOUGH

Depending on when the Emperor finds the second primarch this might raise the alarm.

>>4681226
Yeah
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>>4681208
>>4681233
So basically create a monk order version of the Inquisition?
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>>4681281
The Inquisition and Ecclesiarchy rolled up into one, but with way less power.
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>>4681286
Sounds like a terrible idea that's gonna turn into a corrupt and decadent mess of abuse and daemons.
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>>4680081
>>Use the recoil of firing your Chendao, to compliment your strikes, combining such attacks with your unarmed tiger style to attack in an unpredictable manner
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>>4681294
That's just everything in 40k, can't really escape it.
If it stays the way it's founded it wont
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>>4681298
Well lets go then.
Maybe just an elite section of the monestery though, not all of them.
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I mean to be frank

This planet has an absurd amount of chaotic things going on for early crusade pre heresy.

If I was the chaos god malal I'd definitely want to wreck the other chaos gods by throwing my champion at Shangrala. You can see the corruption notably and then it sort of comes back as a slow burn.

Was our old monk philosopher friend a follower of Nurgle? Because the whole reincarnation and endless cycle sure does feel like Nugle.

The amount of scrutiny here that must be applied is absurd when we really want to get into it if we want to deal with this right.
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>>4681312
Nurgle doesn't reincarnate people, he brings them back as zombies.

Shamans on earth did get reborn though, it was when the gods started eating them that they commited suicide to form big E
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>>4681308
The way Lieren reacts with chaos though is wanting to outright destroy it(and with rage at that) so it seems difficult for him to come to a decision to create an order that studies it. More like one that hunts it with the only knowledge required "It's chaos? Then kill/destroy it".
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>>4681312
>Was our old monk philosopher friend a follower of Nurgle? Because the whole reincarnation and endless cycle sure does feel like Nugle.
Probably not, no. Guozhi has had every opportunity to get us into a pro-Nurgle mindset, but instead has just seemed happy to be along for the ride. Hell, he we read him the Journey and he was elated, instead of bursting into flames. Be more concerned about the Architect that still hasn't told us his name, THAT is suspicious, not some old man who believes in reincarnation.
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>>4681312
The whole reincarnation thing is more like the ancient psyker shamans of earth that ritually created the emperor, so there is a possibility that the monk order found a way to bypass the clusterfuck in the warp that stopped souls from being reincarnated, thus angering the chaos gods because their snacks are running away.
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>>4681323
speaking of that nameless guy, we're gonna have to sit him down for a talking and inspection.
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Calling the vote now

Fight with the chendao and Fog panther style to attack in an unpredictable manner: 16
Surrender yourself to pure instinct while we focus on the pain between our eyes:2
Charge forward, focus fire a shot into the ethereal strings originating from the tip of the tail: 4
Continue chanting verses of the journey until it is finished: 12
Chant new passages specifically designed to attack this spirits nature:1
Use the Chendao as a guandao and attempt to cripple Yin Aiguo's arm:1
while dancing, nonchalantly parry his spear and take out the fox tail:1

So, Lieren shall fight with two styles for each hand, his unarmed left shall preform the strikes of the fog panther style, while he uses his prodigious strength to attack with the Chendao grasped in his right hand, using the recoil of its shots to compliment the strikes.

Such a method will make his assault quite unpredictable.
He shall also continue reciting lessons from the journey, both as a form of mental defense and to annoy/ injure the entity controlling the flames

writing now

>>4681036
welcome
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>>4681676
Yet, the flames do not burn cold as those summoned forth by the hand of the slavemaster. They produce no heat but also do not sap it away. They simply exist, seemingly harmless as they dance and wave in the air. But the stenchs that accompanies the shimmering smoke produced alongside the feelings of being violated and dirtied in some unspeakable way that its baleful glow cast inspires, proves these sorcerous flames cannot be anything but dangerous.

However it poses no threat to the body, but rather the soul. At least the golden portion of the three colored inferno cannot burn nor scorch flesh or grass. The white and pink flames must be able to burn as an ordinary fire can, which would explain why Yin Aiguo can be so cloaked in vestments weaved from the brilliant gold blaze, yet remain unharmed. For a moment, you ponder what treacherous ability remains hidden in the white and pink hued flames, as Yin Aiguo stares directly into the wells of gold that study him and the unnatural raiment gracing his shoulders and holding him aloft.

The confidence of a drunkard is written clearly across his expression and mannerisms, so plain and obvious to the eye even a blind man could see his sheer arrogance. The flames grow and contract, forming around the general's body more tightly, closely pressing against his flesh as he adjusts to the sensation of flight. And the obvious pleasure he derives from being wrapped and cradled by the odious caress of the witchflame of his distant and yet unseen sponsor.

"Such power! such magnificence!" He declares, lost in ecstasy and drunk upon the liquor of inhuman might "What is wrong giant! do you hesitate now because at last you have found an opponent worthy of your unnatural stature? Or do you cower in fear upon meeting that which is unknown even to one as knowledgeable as yourself. Or is it awe that holds you, awe inspired by seeing what blessings the celestial courts may bestow upon the truly righteous"

You do not drop your stance or rise to the taunting and insults uttered by the magic intoxicated general. Instead, with a controlled and respectful tone, you raise your voice to chant once again.

Yin Aiguo's army is still in chaos, and struggling to aid their master in his assault upon you. The general's fine bred horse brays in pain and whines in agony as it lays upon the ground.

This battle must end quickly, lest you are to find yourself battling an army of elites alongside their malignantly empowered leader.

"Thus, as in all things, restraint must be applied to generosity as well. For an excessive indulgence of even such a kind act can bring calamity and ill fortune to your life" You say in reply, dully ignoring and deflecting Yin Aiguo's maddened boasting "Give if you are able to give, for the sole purpose of giving. Do not allow your acts of generosity to be soiled by the miasma of pride or the shadow of zealousness"
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>>4681767

Confusion runs through the lapdog's eyes as he struggles to find a hidden insult or challenge within your words. And thus leaves himself open and defenseless to your ruined assault.

Which is heralded by a different lesson from the annals of the Journey.

"Uphold moderation! any pleasure, even the simplest variety can turn to an expression of hedonism if one indulges upon it blindly!" You roar, charging towards Yin Aiguo and his army. His cloak of fire dance upon the still air, twirling as if its ends were the tail of some great beast.

The General bellows in return, being carried forth by unseen hands, his battlecry accompanied by a sound very much like a fox's yipping.

Balls of flames shoot from his immaterial armor, like cannon fire. Employing the carp's dance once more, you deftly dodge and avoid the devastation wrought by the sorcerous onslaught.

"However, it is not necessary not lock yourself away from all of the joys and pleasure of life. For happiness is a key component of humanity. Simply indulge moderately and wisely!" You half laugh, chanting as you move through the field of multicolored flame with ease, taking care to protect your unarmored arm from the touch of any of the three colors of fire that surround you once more.

Your words are interspaced with the thunderous roar of the Chendao firing, as you strive to keep Yin Aiguo distracted by the threat of being reduced to nothing more than a mere red stain upon the plains and ward away his men from joining into the fray, by reducing a handful of their number to tattered flesh and pulped bone.

Yin Aiguo, however is not intimidated by the prospect of sudden and horrific death, and flies forward to meet you head on. Such valour would be condemnable, if it was not inspired through such an abhorrent source. In turn, you decided to cease preaching from one of the more minor lessons of the Journey, and to instead speak of one of its core tenants again.

"The Gravest sin" You say, as you swing your Chendao, firing at the moment before it cuts through the magical cloak shielding Yin Aigou's flesh, so as to subtly change its trajectory and to produce the necessary momentum to perform such a sudden faint .

The flames wrap around the edge of your weapon's blade, so you fire once again to pull it free.

Stepping back, you narrowly avoid the bite of the ancient spear wielded by your enemy, and just manage to sidestep a gout of pink and white hued fire erupting from the ground beneath your feet.

Without hesitation, you step forward into the fray once more, firing a larger burst to power the chendao's blade straight through the impending flames, and then slide your left hand from its metal haft, and form it into a spear by tightly press you thumb beneath both your pointer and middle finger

The Fog Panther style. Controlled fury and calculated strikes, Nimble power.
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>>4681770

The Movements of a Panther in the hunter mingled with those of manufactured weaponry. Inspired by your favoured prey, beloved students and own nature.

Deadly in the hands of a master, of which you are presently the only practitioner of the style with suitable skill to be named as such.

Your spear hand pierces Yin Aiguo's mundane armor, cracks forming beneath your fingertips.

"The greatest act of foolishness one can commit, is to chase and spend their energy, wealth or power in the pursuit of life's base pleasures" is the chant that accompanies your strike, as you clear the flames and stab your bare hands forward.

However, the fire soon returns and you quickly pull your unprotected limb away from their rapidly crawling reach. Yin Aigou, wailing in agony and a disgusting show of euphoria, swings the burning spear in an arc that will end at your bare shoulder.

Reacting quickly, you form your spear hand into a claw, and throw your arm upwards while simultaneously sliding your right hand down to the firing mechanism of your Chendao.

What results, is a wild swing, more driven by the sheer power produced by the ignition of the siegebreaker bullets than your own arm. A harmonious yet terrible ring crosses the fields and assaults your ears. Steel meets gold, and somehow the lesser metal and the arm that holds it endures. The metal haft of the six fanged spear vibrates from the force that halted its swing, the same power ripples down to Yin Aiguo's arm, which interrupts his concentration and thus his defenses.

He stumbles backwards through the air, legs of flame forming before his own as he wail in agony and moans as if he had just one the heart of as well as laid with a maiden of beauty comparable to Qian Xia or Daiyu. Disturbing, truly disturbing. He howls with pleasure and pain, as you hold his eye between two of your "Claws".

The blood coating your bare hand begins to steam and boil.

Yin Aiguo laughs. He just laughs, as blood flows in deep crimson rivers across his face, running into the trenches in his flesh you had dug with only your nails.

"Marvelous! So this is the monster who slew that beast Cui Fu! Such talent!" He roars, as he, without hesitation or pause unleash a flurry of stabs and wild swings towards you.

Unimpressed, you continue reciting the journey as you parry and deflect each strike with empty hand or Chendao, employing the Carp styles motion.

"Gluttony!" You call as bash the head of the spear from your chest with the back of your hand "Lust, revenge, rest without work and many more names are attributed to this most deadly of sins!"

"Talk talk! the song of a doomed man!" Yin Aiguo howls, as he puts all of his strength into a single stab, easily sidestepped. Now, he is overextended and vulnerable.

Pushing the fingers of your open hand tightly together, you form a claw with its thumb and first two digits, curling the latter two into a partial fist.
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>>4681771

An opportunity has presented itself. And then, Yin Aiguo smiles, and you understand the trap you had almost blundered into.

"FIRE!" He roars. His men have had timed to reload. But you are not deterred.

Bullets rain against your armor, fragments of metal stabbing and pricking your bare arm. With one hand, you raise your Chendao, to swing it downwards, aiming for the general's injured leg and the flames that hide it.

With the three claws of your left hand, you aim for a nerve cluster in his neck.

The flames catch the blade as it bites into Yin Aiguo's leg. And somehow, musters enough force to halt your strike. Unexpected.

Yin Aiguo's eyes meet yours, as you carve your fingers across his sensitive tissues. His tongue rolls past his lips, and a palpable feeling of revulsion washes over your mind. Pulling your hand back slightly, you jab his throat with your two curled fingers.

There's a sickening crack. But the general keeps laughing, and moaning in lurid joy as if in the throes of passion.

Flames erupt towards you, you grip your Chendao with both hands, swinging it to produce a draft to ward away the tainted touch of the witchfire surrounding the general. His men advance, the cavalry circles the field of flame like hungry jackals.

Yin Aigou bleeds, from three grevious wounds, but he giggles like a lovestruck maiden. He moves, despite the deep gash you tore across his face and neck, despite the flesh cleft cleanly from his leg. Despite the shattered arm which he holds his spear. Despite the deep bruise upon his chest, and the injured organs beneath. Any other many would be blinded by pain by now.

Yin Aiguo is seemingly encouraged by it.

"Men may be beasts, Men may be animals, but to act as such is a sign of utter stupidity" You chant, to try and drive away the sense of disgust that is now dominating your mind "A merely satiated stomach is much more pleasant than one filled to bursting"

The generals spear thrums with electrical power. the Tail dances and shakes as fires dance beneath your feet.

The army moves, the cavalry circles, the gunmen reload. What a troublesome situation you have found yourself in. You need Yin Aiguo alive to extract his memory, so striking him with your full power, full ferocity is counterproductive to the goal of capturing alive. Which is why you have so far held back in this battle and refused to tap into the full breadth of your inhuman strength.

But the general simply will not fall, so empowered by the foul energies that surround him. What a conundrum. You must capture the general alive, but in striving to do so, you endanger yourself. He must be weakened, the energies that imbue him must be dammed.
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>>4681772

What is your third move, Lieren?
> Thin the cavalry with gunfire and avoid the general's attacks and his patron's fire with the carp style.
>Switch to fighting with a more mundane form, utilizing solely the Guandao to heft away Yin Aiguo's leg, trusting in shock to render him unconscious .
>Take his other eye with your empty hand. his reflexes, despite all of the power he is imbued with, pale before your own.
>The spear is too dangerous, it must be taken from Yin Aiguo. With hand or Chendao, remove his spear arm.
>write in
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>>4681773
>The spear is too dangerous, it must be taken from Yin Aiguo. With hand or Chendao, remove his spear arm.
If things keep up like this, we're gonna have to use the lotus scepter immediately after this fight.
I'm not sure Yin's gonna live long after he runs out of warp juice.
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>>4681780
Turns out fighting a primarch, even one who's holding back because he needs to capture you alive, is very bad for your health.
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>>4681773
>The spear is too dangerous, it must be taken from Yin Aiguo. With hand or Chendao, remove his spear arm.
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>>4681784
It's not just any Primarch though.
It's the Primarch in a Wuxia setting with a combination Spear/Halberd/Flak Cannon who just rode in on totally not Red Hare.
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>>4681773
>The spear is too dangerous, it must be taken from Yin Aiguo. With hand or Chendao, remove his spear arm.
Ew. I'm not even sure we should bother extracting him memories. Hes gross.
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>>4681773
Preferably sever the fox tail on the end of the Yin not!gauss spear, but I see that our hand is forced.
>The spear is too dangerous, it must be taken from Yin Aiguo. With hand or Chendao, remove his spear arm.
Then we should employ our weeb powers to slice the tail nine times before it hits the ground.

I think our armour should hold up for the next firing rank but we should not linger. Grab the spear and the idiot commander, then ruuuunn.

Is there a chance that using the lotus sceptre on a daemonhost would corrupt the sceptre or us while reviewing the memory? If so, then we should just kill him outright and deny the Yin their army with maximum tiger stance.
ALL THEIR HORSES < Fu Cui horse
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>>4681773
>The spear is too dangerous, it must be taken from Yin Aiguo. With hand or Chendao, remove his spear arm.
I'm also of the feeling that we should not extract his memories and sully our mind somehow. Someone else high-ranking from his army might have what we want. Just kill him and capture someone else, assuming we cannot defeat the rest of the army ourselves.
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>>4681773
>>The spear is too dangerous, it must be taken from Yin Aiguo. With hand or Chendao, remove his spear arm.
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>>4681773
>Thin the cavalry with gunfire
>The spear is too dangerious.
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>>4681773
>>The spear is too dangerous, it must be taken from Yin Aiguo. With hand or Chendao, remove his spear arm.
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>>4681773
>Amputate the spear arm with extreme prejudice
IN PARTICULAR SO WE DON'T TOUCH THE DAMNED THING
> Thin the cav.
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>>4681773
>The spear is too dangerous, it must be taken from Yin Aiguo. With hand or Chendao, remove his spear arm.
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>>4681773
> Thin the cavalry with gunfire and avoid the general's attacks and his patron's fire with the carp style.
>The spear is too dangerous, it must be taken from Yin Aiguo. With hand or Chendao, remove his spear arm.
Remove the fox tail tip, it's probably through what the daemonnete ia channeling it's power.
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>>4681773
Right, this too:
> Thin the cavalry with gunfire and avoid the general's attacks and his patron's fire with the carp style.
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>>4681773
>>The spear is too dangerous, it must be taken from Yin Aiguo. With hand or Chendao, remove his spear arm.
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>>4681773
>> Thin the cavalry with gunfire and avoid the general's attacks and his patron's fire with the carp style.
>The spear is too dangerous, it must be taken from Yin Aiguo. With hand or Chendao, remove his spear arm.
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>>4681773
>The spear is too dangerous, it must be taken from Yin Aiguo. With hand or Chendao, remove his spear arm.
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>>4681773
KEEP CHANTING!
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>>4682376
Oh yeah.
>>4681915
Maybe now chant the diference between an enemy and a foe? It could be considered a sort of chivalry so it may harm the daemon through khornate power.
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>>4682376
I assumed we were going to.
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>>4682376
Yeah keeping mine in line with that. Continue chant in addition. Perhaps some different passages.
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>>4682480
Can you imagine the god damn stories these survivors are going to tell of us?

>"I'm serious! this big ass ogre came out of the mists, our commander caught on fire and used multi-coloured flame tongues to lash at him then fly, and I can now recite the giants journey word for word because he gave a sermon as he was cutting our general to ribbons!"
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>Thin the cavalry with gunfire
>The spear is too dangerious.
>KEEP CHANTING
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>>4681773
>The spear is too dangerous, it must be taken from Yin Aiguo. With hand or Chendao, remove his spear arm.
Off with his ~~head~~ arm!
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>>4682499

>random conscripts cavalry guy
> just want to do my job and not get sold into slavery
>battle turns
> boss parts fog using weird creepy magic
>OK, still not weird as court
> ogre starts reciting a book, book has good points still gotta do job tho
> boss starts Flying and shooting FIREBALLS
> ogre tackles a fucking horse after dismounting his horse while moving, no such cavalry feat have I ever seen
> boss getting butt kicked and sounds like he is enjoying it
> like Really enjoying it
> vomit my ration after his noises
>fuck this shit I am deserting and joining the ogre
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>>4682499
Whoever is paying the propagandist is going to be working overtime.
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>>4683557
A pauper propagandist is going to become a very stressed rich man by the end of this all. Since Propaganda actually has to seem realistic, as well as not depicting us as the winning side.

>"How the hell am I meant to make this seem real?! The plebs are going to refuse this as fairy tails! and I CONVINCED THEM THAT HE KNOCKED DOWN A TOWER!"
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>>4681773
What are the surrounding guards doing? What are their reactions?
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>>4683383
Weren't cavalry in most societies comprised of at least minor nobles since keeping and riding a horse was a big deal in most(especially ancient) societies? That would mean the cavalry guys are no conscripts.
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>>4683613
Yes, but it's a funny greentext anyway
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>>4683613
Probably
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>>4683613
The kilin are from the north, so he the could be settled space not-mongols.
Gotta take care of that goat herd somehow.
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>>4683621
Just saying.
>>4683646
If I remember correctly the people of Lai Song were nomads that settled in the lands of Yan(which is why they are such good horsemen). The two Yin families weren't stated but I thought they were a Yan clan.
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>>4683657
It has been stated, the two Yin families were once one, but the two Yin supported someone else in the establishment of the Yan dynasty and got new lands. Over time, due to the danger of constantly crossing such a vast distance, they just kinda became their own thing
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>>4683730
I meant it wasn't stated if they were nomads or a Yan clan before. Thanks for the information though.
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New spess mehreen. I know we haven’t decided on a colour scheme but I like this one.
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I’ve been wondering. Should we establish our own version of Admech?
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>>4684360
That just tech-marines.
Unless you want to create an independent one for the civilian worlds, or a rival organization, in which case that's a bad idea.
Nothing stops trying to get a friendly forge world buit nearby and try to feed then the journey, if the religion difference ia internal the admech doesn't care.
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>>4684355
Great picture. We'll have to see what people vote for.
>>4684360
If you mean before we meet the Imperium guys, we could have a group dedicated to technology. Otherwise if we meet with the Imperium I don't believe they let non-Adeptus Mechanicus groups exist outside their control although I admit I don't know if that's the case during the Great Crusade.
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>>4684367
I mean before the Emperor shows up we establish some sort of organization to handle the creation of technology, which is the entire point of Admech.
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>>4684355
Very nice work, though the sword is a little small. Excited to see the final result once we've decided on an official colour scheme.
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>>4684355
damn nice
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>>4684376
We don't have that. The AdMech is the AdMech because they are the ones who know how to handle technology.

if you're talking about technology lieren invents, then we don't really. It's not the kind of technology that needs an special tech organization.

I DO think that trying to convert some forge worlds to the journey is a good idea, though. The Journey's not really a faith book, so it works in pretty much any situation.
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>>4684376
We basically already have that going though with Dandan and Shan. (I think that's right, at this point we really need a character chart of everyone.)
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>>4684487
We have an AI that could hand us blueprints for a super-advanced techbase.
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>>4684360
We can't, at least not openly. Violates the Treaty of Mars.
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>>4684595
Ya know what else violates the treaty of Mars? Fucking HERESY!
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Calling the vote now. Sorry for the wait, but I was kept away from my computer yesterday.\

The spear is dangerous, it must be taken from Yin Aiguo. Remove his spear arm:16
Thin the cavalry with gunfire:6
Keep chanting (which Lieren was already gonna do):4

Alright, so Lieren will use the simplest means of disarming Yin Aiguo, by literally disarming him

Writing now

>>4684355
Fucking amazing work, anon. Looks intimidating as a space marine should look. Also enjoy the battle damage and wear,.

>>4683383
lol

>>4684566
You are correct.
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Can't wait to see the update
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The easiest method to interrupt the flow of reality altering magic from the general's body and control is also the simplest way to, as it often is for more mundane labors and work. The singular point of connection between flesh and sorcery, is Yin Aiguo's arm. If the spear he holds were to fall from his grasp, it would be likely that they potent energies spewing forth from that wicked weapon would be halted.

However, the same sorcerous energies that cloak the general's flesh in fire and protect him from grevious, mangling wounds has seemingly reinforced his body and removed the subconscious limiters keeping it from tearing itself apart via exerting its full potential. It is the spear that has drawn out this duel, the entity empowering the lord of the northern Yin has also kept him from realizing the true extent of his injuries and the toll they incur upon his flesh.

Blinded by false pleasure, his pride and ego grown to heights even above your own head. Yin Aiguo cannot be taken alive while he is so intoxicated by sorcery.

The spear must leave his grasp. His arm must be severed. If any further time is wasted, you'll find yourself embroiled in battle against an army solely populated by skilled and elite fighters. And though their weaponry may be considered primitive compared to your own army's firearms, it will eventually damage your armor to the point of uselessness. And as you have said many times before, even the mightiest lion can be felled by a swarm of mice.

Relaxing your body, you reinforce the conviction inside of yourself. To commit an act of butchery that in any other situation, would be senselessly cruel and violent. But now, it is necessary.

The six fanged spear shrieks, the split chain of green lighting flying from its head, spiralling and twirling through the air. With loose muscles, you sway easily out of the way, employing footwork of shifting one foot behind the other before allowing your body to follow its motion. Like a carp being led by the current of a river.

The skinning ray of light, carves deeply into your chest plate, shearing metal away in a puff of steel dust and slivers. It continues its flight onward, burying deep into a hillside. Fire roars upwards, a gnashing wall of hands and fanged mouths. Employing the same simple footwork and swaying as before, you duck and weave under its roiling assault. The first teachings of Carp style, proving their simple efficiency yet again.

Yin Aiguo roars a command, another volley of fire. The walls of flames lessen. Two riders manage to enter into the arena of multicolored flames.

"The love of a single partner more fulfilling than the touch of many" You state plainly, calculating the time it'll take for the cavalrymen's steeds to reach you "Understanding brings more peace to one's soul than blood revenge"

Throwing your palm upward, you redirect a wild stab away from your throat, thus the six fanged spear pierces the earth instead.
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>>4684894

Shifting your open hand once more into the shape of a spear, you lower your stance and adopt the Fog Panther's styles sturdier form yet again.

For it will be much more effective in dealing with the two riders that are upon you now, utilizing a pincer method to ensure at least one of their spears will wound you.

Foolishness.

The one coming from your left falls from his horse, as you leap to its side and drive your spear hand through his armor and into his side. A kidney shot. The agony of which incapacitates the loyal soldier as he hits the ground, wheezing and wailing in pain as a stream of foam and biles passes over his lips. The flames crawl towards the man, as his fellow lowers his spear. In this moment, you decide you will not allow a foe to be consumed by such a foul force.

And so, you save him with the same movement used to deal with the eastward rider.

Sweeping a leg forward, you grab the man by the back of his breastplate, and send the other's steed to the ground, by kicking its legs out. The other rider sails through the air, having been sitting on his saddle loosely. The fall befuddles him, as the flames rise into the air, enraged now that their prey has been stolen directly from its slavering maw.

The soldier's eyes meet your own, and he experiences something beyond mere fear or terror. With a flick of your wrist, you toss him behind you, to rest next to the other man courageous enough to brave flames and the wrath of an ogre alike.

Then, taking a wide legged stance, you turn your back to both of them, to shield their bodies from the incoming hail of gunfire. How monsterous you must appear, surrounded by hellish flame and moving with the same fluidity of air and the speed of lightning, before enduring a weapon so terrible it was long thought among your enemies to be some manner of sorcery.

Sparks fly from your chest, musket balls dig into your armor or ricochet away. Yin Aiguo howls, roaring with both laughter and whines of pain as he flies towards you like a maddened dragon, or rather a rabid dog.

"Excess, the name of this devil, this curse, this scourge upon man!" You bellow to challenge the flame wrapped lap dog, to lure both him and the creature that so empowers him into the trap you have prepared.

The distant spirit bites into the bait, and throws all of its fury and rage in carrying its pawn right into your waiting jaws. You flash your teeth in a wide grin, as the abhorrent glow of the general's cloak of flame falls upon you.

The General is too drunk upon the unnatural power he has been gifted to notice this telling sign of danger. Or simply no longer cares what pain he must endure, for he disgustingly welcomes agony and injuries in his intoxicated state.
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>>4684896

"Know this! Students of this humble writer's words, Hedonism in life, is to invite the most terrible of punishments upon your fellow man and to corrupt and ruin your very soul!" You roar, stabbing your empty hand forward as a feint to distract the old general from the weapon resting in your right hand.

He sees fit to attempt to match your "spear" with his own. A lethal mistake.

Spreading open your hand, you catch it just beneath the head. The incandescent fire has, after all, given all of itself to throw the general forward in a blind rage, leaving the "treasure" he holds unguarded by its violating touch.


The tail tied to the spear glows brightly, the flames surge forward to attempt to mend their mistake. But it is too late, far too late. Looking into the General's eyes to show him the sheer contempt you hold for him and his breed, you lift your Chendao once again, and swing it in and upwards arc, blade facing the sky.

Blood sprays, filling the air between the two of you as you step away in retreat, as the flames explode from the general's side, attempting to retaliate against your cunning attack.

The General's arm twitches in your hand, as the man himself wail as if he were being both tortured and pleasured simultaneously.

"Decadence has brought only ruin to mankind throughout its history!" You proclaim, as you cast the severed limb and the wicked tool still held within its hand to the ground "learn the signs of its presence so you may make outcasts of the gospels of this religion of decay, this cult of degeneration!"


The flames continue to swirl around the general. The walls of fire fall, surging and flowing towards the fallen spear rather than the crippled servant that wielded it.

He remains in the air. His blood refuses to fall and remains suspended along its former vessel.

"For the Yin! for the Yan!" A voice calls, spoken by no living tongue "Slay the giant! Save the general"

It would seem that this evil spirit can mimic voices, how devious. It has used the voice of an officer beneath Yin Aiguo, to rally his troops in his place as the general himself has been consumed by rage and the lure and high of power.

The thunderous sound of a cavalry charge shakes the valley and rings within your skull.
How troublesome.

What is your fourth move, Lieren?
>Ignore the cavalry and the rest of the army, pull Yin Aiguo from the flames. He is defenseless now, take him and retreat
> The spear fights still, even deprived of a wielder. Cut off the tail tied to it.
>"FOOLS!!! HEAR ME AND KNOW! ANY MAN WHO STEPS BEYOND THE SCORCHED LINE SHALL DISCOVER WHAT LIES BEYOND THE VEIL OF DEATH!!"
>Empty the clip of your Chendao into the advancing cavalry, to stall them and create a choke point.
>Write in
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>>4684900
> "FOOLS! HEAR ME AND KNOW ANY MAN WHO STEPS BEYOND THE SCORCHED LINE SHALL DISCOVER WHAT LIES BEYOND THE VEIL OF DEATH"
also add that being burnt to dead is extremely painful

> Cut off the tail tied to the spear

Additionally

> destroy the spear as much as possible.
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>>4684910
>destroy the spear as much as possible.
Why though? It's been made pretty clear that the tail is the source of the chaos power the spear seems like some kind of daot gauss flayer
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>>4684938
For good measure, it may be more than just the fox tail or something to it.
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>>4684900
>> The spear fights still, even deprived of a wielder. Cut off the tail tied to it.
>>"FOOLS!!! HEAR ME AND KNOW! ANY MAN WHO STEPS BEYOND THE SCORCHED LINE SHALL DISCOVER WHAT LIES BEYOND THE VEIL OF DEATH!!"
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>>4684900
> The spear fights still, even deprived of a wielder. Cut off the tail tied to it.
And pocket it for later disposal. Can't ensure it's fully destroyed whilst in the midst of battle.

>Ignore the cavalry and the rest of the army, pull Yin Aiguo from the flames. He is defenseless now, take him and retreat
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>>4684900
>>Ignore the cavalry and the rest of the army, pull Yin Aiguo from the flames. He is defenseless now, take him and retreat
>> The spear fights still, even deprived of a wielder. Cut off the tail tied to it.
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>>4684900
> The spear fights still, even deprived of a wielder. Cut off the tail tied to it.
>"FOOLS!!! HEAR ME AND KNOW! ANY MAN WHO STEPS BEYOND THE SCORCHED LINE SHALL DISCOVER WHAT LIES BEYOND THE VEIL OF DEATH!!"

>>4684950
We can destroy the spear later, but recover it now.
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>>4684900
>Ignore the cavalry and the rest of the army, pull Yin Aiguo from the flames. He is defenseless now, take him and retreat
> The spear fights still, even deprived of a wielder. Cut off the tail tied to it.
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>>4684989
>>4684992
>>4685039
If you think about it, taking the general and doing nothing about the spear can be just as bad. The spear would fall into the hands of its next victim, and our fight would simply repeat. Better to deal with it now and deprive the Yan of their weapon, than to fight it another day. Theres really nothing stopping us from finding another general if we need to.
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>>4684900
> The spear fights still, even deprived of a wielder. Cut off the tail tied to it.
>"FOOLS!!! HEAR ME AND KNOW! ANY MAN WHO STEPS BEYOND THE SCORCHED LINE SHALL DISCOVER WHAT LIES BEYOND THE VEIL OF DEATH!!
>If cutting the tail silences the spirit we could explain to the cavalry that an evil spirit was trying to trick them
>>4685043
Yep we do need to do something about that spear.
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>>4684900
>Cut off the fox tail
>FOOLS!
>Grab the man and run.

We should take the spear. Even if only to avoid the others from grabbing it.
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>>4684900
>>"FOOLS!!! HEAR ME AND KNOW! ANY MAN WHO STEPS BEYOND THE SCORCHED LINE SHALL DISCOVER WHAT LIES BEYOND THE VEIL OF DEATH!!"
> The spear fights still, even deprived of a wielder. Cut off the tail tied to it.
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>>4684900
>The spear fights still, even deprived of a wielder. Cut off the tail tied to it.
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>>4684900
>Ignore the cavalry and the rest of the army, pull Yin Aiguo from the flames. He is defenseless now, take him and retreat
> The spear fights still, even deprived of a wielder. Cut off the tail tied to it.
For people that want to condemn us for sorcery they really don't give a shit.
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>>4684900
> The spear fights still, even deprived of a wielder. Cut off the tail tied to it.
>"FOOLS!!! HEAR ME AND KNOW! ANY MAN WHO STEPS BEYOND THE SCORCHED LINE SHALL DISCOVER WHAT LIES BEYOND THE VEIL OF DEATH!!"
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>>4684900
> The spear fights still, even deprived of a wielder. Cut off the tail tied to it.
>"FOOLS!!! HEAR ME AND KNOW! ANY MAN WHO STEPS BEYOND THE SCORCHED LINE SHALL DISCOVER WHAT LIES BEYOND THE VEIL OF DEATH!!"
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>>4685149
No, it's probably archeotech coming from one of Kanzeon's AI sisters, who got possesed by a Slaaneshi daemon and now serves/controls the Yan, or a DAoT possesed machine spirit with a connection to a chaos psyker/daemonette. If you guys want a chaos quest, go and make one, but stop the Fulgrim before Fulgrim.
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>>4685453
Just holding the spear isn't going to fuck us because Malal isn't a cunt.
How many times does it need to be repeated?
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>>4685453
If the majority wants a chaos primarch quest, they'll make this it, Anon. But again, picking shit up isn't gonna get us damned for all eternity. Stop being paranoid.
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>>4685453
Don't be a daft cunt and actually make a vote to smash the thing completely if you don't want us picking it up.

Or do you want another chaos champion coming back later?
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>>4685453
Simple solution. Lasso it, do some flipping bullshit, and wrap it in leather.
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>>4684900
>>"FOOLS!!! HEAR ME AND KNOW! ANY MAN WHO STEPS BEYOND THE SCORCHED LINE SHALL DISCOVER WHAT LIES BEYOND THE VEIL OF DEATH!!"
> The spear fights still, even deprived of a wielder. Cut off the tail tied to it.
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>>4685453
Malal has literally said otherwise. Lieren has said the tail is the source of the corruption, remove it and there’s no longer a problem.
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>>4684900
>Empty the clip of your Chendao into the advancing cavalry, to stall them and create a choke point.
To gain time. Then:
> The spear fights still, even deprived of a wielder. Cut off the tail tied to it.
And finally:
>Ignore the cavalry and the rest of the army, pull Yin Aiguo from the flames. He is defenseless now, take him and retreat
I don't think that yelling at them will help much since they seem to be fanatic elites. Take the spear after you cut the tail off though and after the battle we will see what we will do with it.
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>>4685698
It will Trouble their horses, which should give us more time to run
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>>4685740
Maybe, but emptying the clip will also do that no?
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>>4684900
>"FOOLS!!! HEAR ME AND KNOW! ANY MAN WHO STEPS BEYOND THE SCORCHED LINE SHALL DISCOVER WHAT LIES BEYOND THE VEIL OF DEATH!!"
> The spear fights still, even deprived of a wielder. Cut off the tail tied to it.
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>>4685750
Speaking frankly, you've left the suggestion too late to get any real traction. By this point it would take some determined arguments or conversation and a lot of luck to get people to change their votes.
The window to influence other anons to a meaningful extent is usually about 1-2 after the post, making the shout the most likely method to be chosen.

That aside, their horses are likely accustomed to gunfire by now, given their primitive weaponry has been drilled and used to the extent that they are comfortable deploying squads of firearms alongside cavelry.
They are not however used to a much louder and new sound of an apex predator that their instincts are demanding they flee from.
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>>4685756
I'm sorry but I couldn't post earlier and I don't intend anyway to change people's decisions. If they watch this thread, they might see my post and decide otherwise but it is not something that needs to happen. As for the horses, you are right that Lieren's loud voice will probably scare them but I meant that the bombardment of the Chendao(since it is essentially a portable cannon) itself and not the sound of it firing that will scare the horses. It's different to be afraid of the sound of cannons firing and of cannonball landing literally in front of you.
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>>4684900
> The spear fights still, even deprived of a wielder. Cut off the tail tied to it.
I'll admit I was a little disappointed we couldn't cut the nine-tailed fox demon nine times in the air for maximum narutard puns.
>Ignore the cavalry and the rest of the army, pull Yin Aiguo from the flames. He is defenseless now, take him and retreat
We now have a hostage.
>"FOOLS!!! HEAR ME AND KNOW! ANY MAN WHO STEPS BEYOND THE SCORCHED LINE SHALL DISCOVER WHAT LIES BEYOND THE VEIL OF DEATH!!"
We now make a threat to the oncoming army and to the hostage, especially pointing out that the lord Yin's celestial bullshit couldn't save his arm.
>>4685006
>We can destroy the spear later, but recover it now.
This. We shall study the technology and meditate on the demon that was attached..

Only after we're safe and the meditation is complete then we should reconsider use of the Lotus Sceptre.
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>>4684900
Why aren't we rescuying Yin? The whole point of this was to get his memories. If the warp flame gets him than it was pointless fight that just will make it easier for the Yan to make more propaganda, especially with the villain speech that is winning.
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>>4684900
>>Empty the clip of your Chendao into the advancing cavalry, to stall them and create a choke point.
>Ignore the cavalry and the rest of the army, pull Yin Aiguo from the flames. He is defenseless now, take him and retreat
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>>4686471
we need to trigger the memories we want. otherwise we'll just get what he's currently thinking/memory that he has and not what we want. thus the need to get him.
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>>4686471
I dont know why they are ignoring it so frankly let's improve those odds. And it's not villain speech.

Removing FOOLS from my vote here >>4685149
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>>4686471
>>4686522
Moving him when he’s in such an injured state is likely to kill him.
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>>4686670
Not moving him while the daemon fire engulf him is likely to kill him.
Or eat his soul.
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>>4686670
Well we cant keep him here, his army is going to overrun us. Cauterise the wound with the flat of our Chendao to stop the bleeding, hope shock doesnt take him and RUN
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>>4686344
>>4686471
You're right and my vote at
>>4686344
probably didn't make this all clear. I'm in favour of using our captive Yin as leverage to escape away from the army. We threaten both the army and the lord with harm if the continue the approach. Could use the chen dao as suppressing fire too.
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>>4686675
He’s bleeding out of his eye socket and his stump of an arm on top of all the internal injuries. Besides daemon sorcery might disappear with the tail.
>>4686751
We’ve defeated armies, daemonspawn, and sorcerors. Why are you worried about some guys on horses “overrunning” someone that can flip horses?
While I can understand some of these worries, the cavalry itself is a nonissue though, but moving him too much could kill him.
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>>4686909
Because there is one of us and hundreds/Thousands of them. Ripping them apart takes time which frankly the General doesnt have as well as the distinct possibility that the could seriously injure us. Army of insects felling a lion and all that.

Leaving him as he is while we clean house against fanatics who wont retreat could see him bleeding out and rendering this mission a failure with great results, or worse yet some of his retainers slipping past us to move the general themselves/A missed volley rendering him dead.

Admittedly not much of a danger but still a possibility we shouldnt discount. Anyway, I want to get away from here to prevent him going into critical condition and in turn prevent us getting the memories we need. This, as far as I can see, is the best way to complete our task efficiently especially because we can run across the country without causing him that great a discomfort.
This is my reasoning.
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>>4686909
Exactly.
The man is bleeding and on fire and the best option is to not treat him?
You aren't supposed to touch people after an accident and wait for the paramedics, but in this cae we are the paramedics. He only is getting treated if we fuck off.
Also before you ask for proof:
"you'll find yourself embroiled in battle against an army solely populated by skilled and elite fighters. And though their weaponry may be considered primitive compared to your own army's firearms, it will eventually damage your armor to the point of uselessness. And as you have said many times before, even the mightiest lion can be felled by a swarm of mice."
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>>4686920
Only a handful will have the balls to fight a Primarch. Those are the strongest and bravest, once they are taken down the rest will be routed.
>>4686928
> The man is bleeding and on fire and the best option is to not treat him?
Said nobody in the thread. The biggest problem is rushing him out is likely to end with him dead soon after, even with medical attention though we don’t how lethal the wounds are until Malal tells us.
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>>4686471
Right. Add this factor to my vote. Grab him and go after we depower the spear.
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>>4686951
I think you seriously need to readjust your expectations. They are already attacking us and taking down the flame spewing super general of theirs as well as reducing a line if cavalry to paste hasnt dissuaded then.

I genuinely dont know what else will barring getting into melee range with them and by that point they are already committed
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>>4687024
We have a fucking gun.
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>>4687125
And so do every single one of them.
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>>4687135
malal we're getting too autistic pls come back
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>>4687135
Yes but our biceps can bounce there guns.
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>>4687144
Yeah, but it's going to ruin our armor.
How are we going to look stylish without it?
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>>4687150
Oil our muscles
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>>4687219
Oh god we are going to become the custodes primarch.
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>>4687228
Where would Lieren rank on Custodidi's chart?
https://youtu.be/aH22mXIcs9s
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>>4687285
a good question
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>>4687285
Below or higher than Vulkan because Lieren is to sentimental for his taste
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>>4687285
Actually, its more like a combination of Vulkan and Lorgar so Lieren would be way lower on that list.
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>>4687285
Knowing Wamuudes, we’d be among his least favourite due to our sentimentality for the “normals” and our physical weakness relative to other Primarchs.
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>>4687410
>physical weakness

We just haven't gone through puberty man, you can't judge us yet, we're still a baby primarch.
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Calling the vote now. Sorry for the long wait. Lots of bullshit happened on my end

FOOLS:10
Cut the tail off the spear:17
Destroy the spear as much as possible:1
Ignore cavalry, acquire maimed general:9
Explain the spear is evil:1

Total votes: 18.

So Lieren will bellow a threat to the oncoming army, before attempting to neutralize the spear and retrieve the mangled Yin Aiguo

Writing now

and sorry again for the wait.
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>>4687591
And Empty the clip of your chendao to thin the cavalry: 2

Swore I wrote that, but guess I didn't. my bad
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>>4687591
>Long ago in a distant land, I, Lieren, the golden-eyed Bringer of Prosperity, unleashed an unstoppable revolution.
>But a FOOLISH hedonistic tyrant wielding a magic spear stepped forth to oppose me.
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>>4687591
We hopefully are not leaving the spear behind right?
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Drawing in a breath of air so deeply, the mere act of it creates a sound not dissimilar from the beginnings of a wild gale wind, you raise your chest high and stand proud and unafraid though you stand before a army charging for your heads. Mustering the lingering drops of contempt and spite within your heart, fostered by the unnatural presences aiding the general and the state the man himself has willing degraded himself to, you purposefully enrage yourself by distilling these dark emotions in a potent venom of the mind.

"FOOLS!" You roar, your rage carrying across the fog cleared plain through the thunderclap of your shout, cutting through the empty space and leaving behind the same atmosphere that follows the shattering of glass or the lull between volleys of cannon fire. Like a wound upon the world, all seems silent in comparison to your bellowe threat.

Stepping forward, no longer intimidated by or cautious towards the unknown threats posed by the multicolored flames that tower far into the cloudless sky. So focused is your cultivated wrath, that it almost seems to manifest upon the empty air itself, dying the surroundings thick with your once restrained fury and disgust. The air grows heavy, thick, the stench of natural smoke and shed blood supplanting the unnatural aromas that surround the corrupting flames and dance along its smoke. These scents that seduce the mind, encourage debaucherous behavior and promise yet unseen forms of fouled pleasures and wicked entertainments are supplanted at once by a sense of primal fear.

The fear an animal feels as it is hunted, that the man feels as he is watched by unseen eyes. The natural dread of death, incarnated in the form of the threat you pose, making the true depth of your emotion known after holding back the itching, biting feelings that the lapdog and his tutor inspire within you.

It flows across the fogless plain, an invisible and immaterial wave of pure disgust and contempt. And you stand at its center, each step you take cracking the scarred earth and sending ripples of tremors close behind the emotional storm unleashed by your purposeful lull in control.

"HEAR ME AND KNOW!" You scream again, as the flames rise against you, the tail screaming in its stolen voice as you march towards it.

Sickle claws, slavering maws, and whips of fire lash towards you, desperate to stall your unrelenting march. But your will is indomitable, and your mind narrowed to a razor's edge of intent and purpose.

The flames retreat as passages of the journey almost instinctively pierce through the storm you have birthed within your heart and mind, rage tempered by control, fury directed by belief. Such an insipid gospel of nihilistic hedonism cannot hope to endure such a force, cultivated within the hearts and minds of benevolent men and virtuous women. Your Journey, that has carried across the land as a message of hope.
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>>4687639
The unnatural energies rally and rush towards you once more as you raise your Chendao into the air, golden eyes glaring into the ranks of cavalry riding to rescue their leader from the jaws of defeat. Loyal, brave, valiant. And oh so foolish to not turn their backs at the sight of such insults to all that is good and fair in this life.

The mind that controls the fire may have regained its courage now, but its moment of hesitation has spelled the end of its patronage towards the mangled lord of the northern yin. It lurched back in fear when faced with the full weight of your unrestrained rage, despite the unknowable distance between it and your unleashed killing intent.

Such folly, spells the end for its attempt upon your life.

"ANY MAN WHO STEPS BEYOND THE SCORCHED LINE!" You howl, as the flames attempt to wrap and pull around your limbs, starting with your unprotected arm, to enchant and dirty your mind as it had Yin Aiguo's

However
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Distant eyes stared, through the piece of the body it had left behind. the calm currents in the warp had become as a uncontrolled storm. The creature that masqueraded as a man stood in the center of the winds of change, and seemed almost shrounded by a fog of golden light. The whelp's emotions, had through some means, perhaps a latent form of pyskerism or sorcery taught by a unknown rival, had become so potent and virile that they had began to flow from his mortal shell as if it were a cracked jug of wine.

Hatred dyed the brilliance of his being, disgust whispered from his every step, and within the hateful wells of gold that sat within his skull, spite boiled and frothed struggling to escape.

For a moment, the creature that called itself Huli Jing, felt as though those eyes were staring directly at it, burning through its essence to look upon the truth of its being. Instinctively, it knew this soul was not akin to any it had met or had the pleasure of plucking clean. It was an unnatural evolution. A son of the Anathema.

Ambition surmounted fear, and Huli Jing reached out with its essence once more, through its piece of flesh left with the mindless simp of a general that had failed to so much as scratch their shared foe. What honors, what prestige it would win, if it could be the one to work its claws into the mind of one of the golems created by the enemy. How pleased her prince would become.

This, however, was not to be.

For in looking towards the Giant born of science and sorcery once more, she met his golden eyes and looked directly into the well of once restrained emotion boiling within. And then felt his judgement burn through the expanse between them.

The denouncements and insults he had spat towards her very existence, branded themselves into her being as if freshly spoken once again. Her distant power refused to sully or degrace his flesh as she recoiled by instinct.
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>>4687640

It lasted for but a moment, a strangely mortal reaction to something that could no harm her. How could fear such a simple thing as a glare?

It was not the power of the Anathema alone, that met her eyes. something else burned within the giant's golden orbs.

Laying upon the floor, it saw the vision of Lieren march forward, flesh unmarred by its sorcery and luring flame. Then, its vision was severed, and it felt a dull pain upon its spine. Its shell quaked, and quivered.

A moment's hesitation. How the shame burned, how it roiled within her. It pained her more than the giant's own words, that still burrowed in her being in the form of the toxin of true belief.

How potent a pawn he would be, if he merely preached a different philosophy.
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The flames did not touch your skin, but merely danced above it for a few momentary lashes. Without a moment's hesitation, you brought the head of your Chendao upon the edge of the golden tail tied to the spears end, so as to not risk being engulfed by flames when the entity commanding them regained its sense of mind.

A shriek faded alongside the flames, remembered only by the sickening smoke that still lingered upon the field. The tail was taken by the wind as it fell limp. Yin Aiguo fell to the ground as you turn your Chendao to the advancing army.

You stood over the general, who now withered and squirmed in voiceless agony, twitching and shuddering as your shadow fell upon his prone form.

Raising your voice once more, you addressed the cavalry that was nearly upon you. Those that had remained steadfast in their duty, and had no turned and fled from the crushing presence of your anger.

"SHALL DISCOVER WHAT LIES BEYOND THE VEIL OF DEATH!"

With that proclamation, you stand stalwart, Chendao planted in the ground and rage subsiding now that the lingering remnants of the evil spirit's presence had begun to fade and wither away.

Yin Aiguo howled in agony, any sense of pleasure and enjoyment he derived from his wounds stolen away alongside the vanished flames.

His men still charge onwards, those truly loyal to his name and service. Men of valorous hearts and unshakeable wills. How impressive.

What shall you do Lieren?
>Lift Yin Aiguo and attempt to flee from his men
>If they will not flee, they shall meet their death. You shall be truthful to your words
>Lift the spear from the ground and charge, but do not fire it. Try to convince them away from throwing away their lives
>Stand firm and do not move, endure their charge and state your distaste of killing after they have failed to break your defenses.
>write in?

sorry for the long wait again.
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>>4687642
>Lift Yin Aiguo and attempt to flee from his men
Our horse>any horse
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Retrieval Mission is primary purpose. I am fine with whatever path we choose but we need to interrogate Yin Aiguo.

>Lift Yin Aiguo and attempt to flee from his men.
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>>4687642
>>Lift Yin Aiguo and attempt to flee from his men
>Grab the spear and the tail, so that neither of these dangerous items fall into the hands of the easily corrupted.
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>>4687642
>If they will not flee, they shall meet their death. You shall be truthful to your words

I want to just leave, but after that FOOLS speech that you fools voted for is not followed through, than we will loose face in this battle and bring damage to our cause
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>>4687662
Yeah, you have a point. Either way, the Yan's propaganda department is gonna spin our next action as befitting of an ogre. We either spare them and be branded a coward or keep our word and be branded a beast. Changing
>Lift Yin Aiguo and attempt to flee from his men
to
>If they will not flee, they shall meet their death. You shall be truthful to your words
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>>4687642
you done good.

>>4687660
these two, we disarm and sweep up Yin with one arm, keeping his severed shoulder high to reduce bleeding out.
Then the other arm menaces with the chen dao at the cavalry. God bless those fools who keep coming despite running into our artillery piece for a mouth and another for a spear.
We shall spirit away into the highlands with our prize, and continue hoping that our hostage isn't still a daemonhost.

Interesting that the minion of Slaanesh knows what we are now. She must be so buttblasted to be banished.
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>>4687642
>If they will not flee, they shall meet their death. You shall be truthful to your words
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>>4687642
>>Lift Yin Aiguo and attempt to flee from his men
Fighting them isn't the mission
>Grab the spear and the tail, so that neither of these dangerous items fall into the hands of the easily corrupted.

Why did you guys vote for the fools speech anyway this wasn't the mission
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>>4687689
I believe that they thought it was badass (see fools) but didn't know that when you make a threat like that than you better damn well follow through with it (because they're fools)
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>>4687642
>If they will not flee, they shall meet their death. You shall be truthful to your words
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Frankly I dont believe the general will survive us running away with him in our arms with these horsemen chasing us. Deal with the threat and then leave.
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>>4687642
>If they will not flee, they shall meet their death. You shall be truthful to your words
Reminder that if we leave now we are leaving the village to its fate.
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>If they will not flee, they shall meet their death. You shall be truthful to your words
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>>4687660
Oh yeah, supporting getting the chaos shit. Can't have another one running around after this.
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>>4687642
>Grab the spear
>If they will not flee, they shall meet death.
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>>4687690
Can't speak for everyone, but I'd assume it was because they presumed that their shouting would dissuade the chargers.
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>>4687642
>Lift Yin Aiguo and attempt to flee from his men
time to go
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>>4687642
>write in?
Fog Panther Style! We will "disable" they. They wont be dead, but they'll be in enough pain to wish that they were.
Once every attack has been layed low, we'll have enough time to properly stabilize Yin Aiguo's wounds, then we can safely secure the spear for study/destruction/preservation on a better date.

>>4687645
>our horse>Yin Aiguo's horse>any other horse
I WANT THOSE MEGA HORSE FOALS FOR BROTHER JAGATAI! GO GO FAST!

>>4687660
Oh forgot about that. Support. Even if broken we cant let people mess with that stuff. Ita bad news.

>>4687675
Wait we didnt disarm him all the way did we? It would had been better to cut him off by the wrist.

>>4687721
I think it dissuaded a majority of them, leaving the zealots to charging.
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>>4687648
I am actively changing my vote. They are charging us. Unless we want to be perceived as a hypocrite or an asshole we now have to stand our ground and make an example.

So

> If they will not flee, they will meet death
After doing this
> Grab both Yin and Spear then go.

>>4687800
Kinda want lots of mega horses too.
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>>4687805
Why not just go ape on them like the last army we mauled? They'd have to be pretty stupid to use guns on CQC. Plus it'd take them forever to reload.
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>>4687642
>>If they will not flee, they shall meet their death. You shall be truthful to your words
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>>4687642
>If they will not flee, they shall meet their death. You shall be truthful to your words

Afterwards secure the spear and Yin Aiguo. It would be wise to show benevolence and give some basic aid to the wounded after the inevitable retreat of this army, they will not last long against us.
Then we can go away and see the memories of Yin (we must ensure that is wounds are stable, if he dies while we run, we would not complete our mission objective), as well as purify the spear (perhaps we can attempt something with our eyes and the journey) or destroy it (will need a furnace of sort, for a proper complete destruction).
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>>4687660
+support
we need to get the spear and Yin out of here
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>>4687844
>If they will not flee, they shall meet their death. You shall be truthful to your words
But there wont be any wounded because we're gonna kill them all, and not specifically state we'll aim to wound but not kill? We doing a rerun of Kang?
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>>4687672
If in both cases we have negative publicity why not try this:
>>4687642
>Lift the spear from the ground and charge, but do not fire it. Try to convince them away from throwing away their lives
then if it doesn't work, do this:
>If they will not flee, they shall meet their death. You shall be truthful to your words
Also grab the spear.
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>>4687642
>Spook off loyalist/beat them up
>take le faggot
>take le spear
>take le horse
LOOT EVERYTHING
EMBRACE YOUR INNER MAGPIE
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>>4688157
Malaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal! Why did you let a magnus shard in here!
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>>4688161
the Blood Ravens shall be one of our finest successor chapters!
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>>4688164
I'm not co-founding that legion of cunts.
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>>4688167
metal bawkses!
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>>4687642
>If they will not flee, they shall meet their death. You shall be truthful to your words
We said we would, let’s keep our credibility. Besides, they saw that Slaaneshi stuff and are still fighting us. They brought this on themselves.
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>>4687642
>If they will not flee, they shall meet their death. You shall be truthful to your words

I'm sorry that this guys decided to suicide via charge. Even after they saw Lieren beat a powerful sorcerer and his army of heavy elite gunner cavalry with barely a scratch. While reciting what is probably the most understanding and wise philosophy they have ever heard to their general , who was jerking off at his severed limbs and throwing foul feeling, demonic flames around (any human can feel chaos shit as WRONGWRONGWRONG stuff). This is not only a war for the metaphorical and literal soul of Shangrala and the people within the planet, but also a battle to the death and a way to make an historical example of what happens when you go full retard for too long, take things too far and anger the almost un-angerable Lieren with your stupidity (and by harming others pointlessly). They had a second chance during the dialogue, they don't get a third. Fuck this assholes.
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>>4688276
Well they did trample their own ally .
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>>4687642
>If they will not flee, they shall meet their death. You shall be truthful to your words
After that grab the general and go. Our work here will be done.
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>If they will not flee, they shall meet their death. You shall be truthful to your words
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>>4688493
>>4688341
>>4688276
>>4688222
>>4687933
>>4687844
>>4687840
>>4687805
>>4687710
>>4687696
>>4687694
>>4687692
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>>4687681
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>>4687662
Isnt killing all these guys a bad idea since it would feed into the Yans propaganda machine, in addition to causing the families of the dead soldiers to not like us even more?
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>>4688522
>
yup
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>>4688522
Which is why I proposed to first try to convince them away from throwing away their lives but it doesn't seem likely that they will stop anyway. They are incredibly loyal to their general.
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>>4688522
Of course if you see any other way of doing this, feel free to say it.
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>>4688522
Literally anything we do is gonna feed the propaganda machine.
We just grab Yan and run? Evil cowardly ogre kidnaps loyal noble servant of the true ruler of Yan, presumably to eat, rape, and torture. The commonfolk and soldiers hate us for our barbarity and for kidnapping their beloved leader.
We take the spear too? Evil, greedy ogre steals a most sacred relic from the rightful ruler of Yan, presumably to desecrate on his own time. Yan loyalists everywhere hate us because we're a thief and iconoclast.
We stand and make good on our threat? Evil, bloodthirsty ogre literally ripped good, brave, loyal soldiers limb from limb, laughed while he did it, and made a necklace from their intestines and chopsticks from their bones. Commonfolk hate us for killing people.
There's no winning hearts and minds from afar, Anon, no matter what.
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>>4688522
That’s war anon
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>>4688522
People should have just grabbed him and run when they could, but it is what it is.
If he dies because we waste time fighting I will laugh though.
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>>4688574
To be sincere, we destroyed one of, if not THE Yan elite troops (they had friggin guns in a medieval setting, and also horses) and their boss. This victory combined with our previous wins+the loss of the relic+daemonette getting branded with seals/weakened/banished+this all happening fast as fuck, will obliterate the last embers of the Yan's fighting spirit, or at least most of them (this guy was Yan's most loyal servant, he got the best and most loyal men and bodyguards, the best training, a magical weapon and still lost and got killed alongside his army by one guy. You have to fight that guy and his tens of thousands of trained people with guns and armour, also with some of the best generals ever). Despite our current overwelming advantage, we should't get overconfident and treat this as seriously as possible, specially now that the several Chaos gods know that we are here and also that we are Anathema 2 electric boogaloo, but with rational, focused and controlled Khorne spice and our own brand of power too. Which should be terrific to anyone, no matter what.
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>>4688636
>ywn see daemonettes of Slanneshi to SIMP after Lieren
>ywn see said daemons get reverse Uno'ed into being "corrupted"
>ywn never get "corrupted" whoelsome daemons of Lieren
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>>4688222
Changing vote to just beating the shit out of them.

Hear me out, lads. The whole “VEIL OF DEATH” thing could just be a warning that we’ll stomp anyone who comes near us within an inch of their life, even more so than we did to those soldiers that one time with the kidney punches.

That ring of fire can be the “veil”, and we can be the “death” behind it. Therefore by simply fighting us they’re seeing what’s beyond the veil. Our promise is fulfilled and nobody has to die, except maybe the more fragile ones. It’s better than going full slaughterhouse, though.

(I was posting with mobile data here, this post is me despite the different ID.)
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>>4688775
Ikr? Better the btfo of some fuck boys then to deny a shit ton of families their misguided sons and fathers. The only sins (until proven otherwise by Lieren's eyes) these fuck boys have commit was being zealously loyal to an asshole that'd sooner kill a million puppies that tell the Yan "no, your shouldn't wear two left shoes because you think it'd be funny."
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>>4688776
To be honest I never wanted to kill anyone, we just did the whole death monologue and I couldn’t think of a clever way around it until now.
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>>4688522
They’d do it either way. The MSM do the same shit.
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>>4688784
They'd kill the families if we dont kill the soldiers? Doubt that. We could probably recruit them if we play things smart.
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>>4688800
How the fuck are you coming to that conclusion?
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>>4688813
Fuck all it's late and I'm tired. We got all this power so if we can choose to not kill them then should we not give it a try. The not killing part?
What's MSM?
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>>4688817
MainStream Media, ie the western propaganda machine.

I'm not against some beating up of the army, but it's not expedient to our goal. I was hoping the threat and our show would give them pause, but this is ancient China and these people are probably the Tang dynasty cannibals' direct descendants.
Given that this is Yin's cavalry and there's presumably foot soldiers somewhere behind that, I'd still support NOT using the dropped not!gauss spear but holstering it somehow while use the chen dao as suppressing fire against the cav as we make a fighting withdrawal.
Maybe we can even outrun the cav back up a hill/rough terrain and disappear that way.

>>4687800
I'd imagine that a feudal lord would have sidearms, a sword, dagger or whatever on his belt maybe.
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>>4688800
Guys, to those worried about the "The ogre ate everyone, it was terrible" propaganda that killing soldiers could genedate, remember that there are several dozen clouds of mist in the battlefield that used to be people, and the stains on the flootr used to be warhorses, and that guy who got peeled away by the spear when we deflected a shot was technically "killed by foul demonic magic coming from the giant's hands". Let's beat this guys, or not, but make sure Malal confirms that we will not lose face, because if we lose face again because of retarded voting I'll bring it up every time someone argues about not killing zealot Yan soldiers in a WAR and in a duel to the DEATH.
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>>4688905
I don't give a shit if those fucks lice or die, I just wanted to leave so we can get this over with already.
Hopefully Yan doesn't speed up his plan if it is a mass sacrifice, otherwise we will have to rush straight to the capital and kill him and the daemonette. Not sure if Lieren could win against whatever gets summoned.
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>>4688834
>I'd imagine that a feudal lord would have sidearms, a sword, dagger or whatever on his belt maybe.
You mean the one we just disarmed? Hows this relevant to the Fog Panther style? Those dont sound dangerous to a primarch.

>>4689001
He could if hes a few more years older and better equipped. Hes getting there.
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>>4689010
Well yeah, but we can't wait until Lieren is fully grown and has access to inperial equipment. Unfortunaly.
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>>4689025
A proper handle on his psyker power could do it.
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>>4689025
We could visit the space ship again. It'd take less than a days travel.
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>>4689093
We didn't find terminator armor and a heavy bolter in the armory.
Don't think we would find one anywhere else. Specially since it was a colony ship.
>>4689043
We would need to train it first. Other than running straight ahead and hoping it would develop mid combat, or going to the ruins of the dai monks and trying to awaken it through meditation in a reasonable time frame, it wouldn't work.
Therefore the best strategy is to just stop the ritual before it happens.
Of course it all hinges on the hypothesys that there is going to be a ritual to begin with.
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>>4689107
We would and could find those BECAUSE it was a colony ship. Even colonists needed to prepare for the worst incase the fauna and flora were especially hostile. Looks could be deceiving so maybe our ship friend could help us fashion some kind of armor.
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>>4689117
>Big E flies over to finally bring us into the fold
>We already have arms and armor that approach the 30K Imperium in terms of quality and effectiveness
How impressed do you think he'd be?
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>>4689117
Considering all the daemonic shit that happened during the Long Night, if we told Kaz we need to kick one's ass she would gladly help.
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>>4689107
>We didn't find terminator armor and a heavy bolter in the armory.
Probably because we didn't go to the armory.
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>>4689133
But we did, we went to the armory and the library.
Or did Kaz stop us? I don't really remember anymore.
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>>4689181
We voted to go to the armory, but in the library we decided to go to Kanzeon's core instead. She tried to get us to stay longer by tempting us with a peak inside though, the tease. We wouldn't have left empty-handed just because there was nothing primarch-sized.
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>>4689124
You know, Imagine how disapointed big E must feel when he reunites with the worst primarchs.
If the order in wich everyone is found is the same(Horus then Lieren the Russ then etc. etc.) then imagine his shock when he will meet Angron or Conrad and particularly Lorgar as we already made a philosophy that can work as a unifying force as well as a religion with none of the drawback( yet).
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>>4689314
The order will most likely change seeing that we got yeeted to an different planet than canon.
Hope we don't end up being the last one to be found.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9LSW4aK3cE
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>>4689327
Not sure how this is related, but you do you, man.
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>>4689001
One problem. They are monitoring Lieren so if it looks like he’s going to show up early they’ll rush summon the daemon.
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>>4689380
Shit.
Than it's time to assemble the A team to go in our place. Get some vishnu, our guards, the panter boys and send then to get the people out.
Meanwhile we lead the army so they think we will attack normally.
Unless they also monitor our startegy meetings and our companions, in which case we are fucked.
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https://youtu.be/MOOXRR2hiEU

Lieren while doing some particularly xianxia bullshit, like catching a hundred arrows meant for his heart and throwing them right back
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>>4689333
True
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>>4689380
>>4689396
Is it a good idea to get right on the murder train? Maybe it’s better to wait for a while and allow them to think they’ve got time, while secretly we’re preparing a lightning-fast assault to kill them before they can so much as summon a daemonette’s left tit.

If we act now we run the risk of spooking them, thus spoiling our element of surprise and robbing ourselves of time in the long run. Let them think they’ve still got their advantage, trick them into staying their hand and observing until it’s too late, then strike at their heart with a sneak attack.

This plan assumes the daemon in charge is patient and cautious enough to delay a summoning, of course, but at least it’s Slaanesh we’d be trying to fool and not Tzeentch. They also haven’t summoned any big daemons yet despite obviously being here for millennia, so we have that going for us too.
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>>4689010
We took out his literal arm and his spear. I was thinking that he'd have more items on his person still, like a sword in scabbard, dagger, a flintlock etc. I don't want him pulling stunts while we're running away with him.

>>4689107
I thought we got some armour or flexible space suit from the ship. I vaguely remember that being investigated.
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>>4689520
Any stunt he'd try to pull would be obvious and too slow to catch Lieren by suprise. Our boy is rocking a +50 to his perception at advantage. Besides that he might be unconscious due to all the body trauma, in shock, on in too much pain to do a quick draw considering his leg(s) are broken, hes down an arm, and has recieved various other wounds.

Let's not forget to shoulder the wounded horse and loot that as well.
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>>4689513
It all depends on what exactly they have planned really.
Another reason that I wanted to run inteasf of fight. Less updates mean more information without waiting.
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Any ideas on improvements for the Chendao? Scope? Laser sight? +P magnum ammo? I got no idea how big the bullets are.
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>>4689538
Explosive incendiary rounds and also run eletricity through the blade.
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>>4689538
Making it lighter would be nice.
Use some of that Damascas steel from the "Civilised" Vishnu, refine it further and we'd have a neat weapon.

I think some less lethal options would also be nice, disabling from a distance without need to maim them could be useful. Bean bags and the like.
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>>4689538
A lot of things aren't gonna be possible with it until we can get modern material research going.
In terms of what we can do now, a drum magazine and automatic fire would be nice.
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>>4689542
HE rounds would be cool, and wouldnt you know it do you recall the option we had in the past to make an electric weapon thing? We ould maybe do that too, eventually.

>>4689547
What's so special about Damascas steel? What makes it different from the steel that we use? Isnt it all processed iron?
Low velocity beam bags sounds do able. What doesnt kill you will only shatter your bones and leave nasty bruises.

>>4689554
>drum magazine
>full auto
God that would be very tempting.
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>>4689275
>>4689520
The only thing we took from the ship was the Lotus scepter and the memory sphere it produced. People voted to then go to the armory but when we got there, Kanzeon found us and accused us of being a thief/invader so in order to be diplomatic we just talk with her and didn't take anything. There could be powerful weapons in the ship though, since Kanzeon and her sisters weren't just colony ships but were made to save as many people they could during the events of the Age of Strife if I remember correctly. That could mean that there are more powerful weapons than normal if it was during the exodus.
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>>4689564
I got an even better idea.
We get the automatic high-capacity Chen-Dao, and then we glide over enemy encampments.
The rebirth of BRRRRRRRRRRT.
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>>4689579
But then it would be too cumbersome.
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>>4689527
>Jagathai: I will never follow the Emperor, and no matter what you say or offer, I will not list-
>Lieren: [Appears out of thin air, out of...Nothing (punintendedsorrynotsorry)] MEGA HORSE INCOMING!!!
>Jagathai: ...I am intrigued enormous person. Keep talking.
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>>4689564
It's reputed to be an ancient steal that had a really funky pattern but was mega tough and held a really sharp edge for prolonged periods.

Took on a mystical quality when the art of making it was lost. So with space damascus steel, I'm imagining a marked imrpovement over our regular steel.
Though to say that "it's all processed iron, so it must be similar" is an incredibly reductive view of things, making an apt comparison of "What is the difference between a panther and a Labrador, they are both just moving meat, aren't they?" Since the amount of impurities in a metal has a drastic effect on it's strength and how viable it is for weapon use.
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>>4689583
We could just make a conventional rifle then for gun runs.
I can guarantee you that the Yan wouldn't be able to line up a shot on any air support units for a good while after they're first witnessed.
>>4689584
Warp-Horse
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>>4689584
What if we name our horse Big Horse in the local language?
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>>4689597
Name it big horse in whatever language Kazheon ship is, that way no ones know it means that.
One day someone will fi d a dictionary in some ancient ruin and have a big laugh.
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>>4689597
>What if we name our horse Big Horse in the local language?
"Da-Ma" I think is the literal translation. Sounds kinda lame.
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>>4689606
Da-Ma That’sa Big-a Horse-a
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>>4689606
Bigger Horse? Angry Horse? No no no.
Horse Horse.
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>>4689606
What language are you translating it through
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>>4689622
Ma-Ma?
God knows how that's gonna get mangled as it's translated to High Gothic.
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>>4689625
Lieren was know for riding his own mother to battle.
Or that he was half horse.
Oh god.
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>>4689624
Standard Chinese.
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>>4689622
>>4689621
>>4689606
>>4689605
What about 超級馬 Chāojí mǎ Super Horse?
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>>4689626
>Or that he was half horse.
Leman got fangs, Sanguinius wings. I got a giantic dong
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why not the Primehorse
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>>4689621
I support. The mechanicus guy that finds out is going to laugh his ass off for hours nonstop. I bet it's Cawl
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>>4689631
What about "Huángmǎ" or "Emperor Horse"?
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Call the horse "Trampler of fools" or something like that.
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>>4689633
This brings me back to an old anons shit post some threads back with Magnus and Lieren shit talking Leman because he fucked his wolves.

>>4689635
Yes
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>>4689637
*who-wong-mah*. I like it.
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>>4689640
Translate to Shǎguā de jiàntà zhě. Kind of a mouthful.
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>>4689646
Trampler?
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>>4689649
Jiàntà zhě. It's a bad name.
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>>4689660
巨马
Jù mǎ

It means giant horse
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Since we’re talking about Chinese names do you guys think the languages spoken on Shangrala are Low Gothic languages that resulted from the old colonists trying to recreate old Earth languages or are they each actually directly related to the languages they’re shown to us as, i.e the Yan actually speaking in some future Chinese or the Vishnu speaking in future Hindi
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lei_tai
Reading about this makes me want a tournament arc.
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>>4689585
>>4689564
During the bronze and dark ages, Damascus steel had probably the best metallurgical alloy of iron-carbon and grain structure around at the time making it the strongest around when forges couldn't get hot enough (1000°C+) to make their own alloys properly. I think it was in part related ore mined too.

Toledo steel mostly outclassed and certainly outproduced it in the renaissance, over 1500 years later. So it's a big deal for the early eras.

>>4689668
Ju ma is a nice name. We can call his mare Ju Mama.

>>4689565
Damn. Plus we still don't know Gothic in verbal form too. We'll have to revisit our plasteel maiden and really do a cultural exchange. Maybe we can bring topsoil, flowers and plants to fully show her the planet she 'colonised'. Maybe she'd like that?
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>>4690271
Thank you my metallurgical knowledge good sir.

But the plants idea is better.
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>>4690271
Wootz Damascus was actually better than you think since it had carbon nanotubes in it.
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>>4690271
This begs the question.
Do we stick with homogenous steels and try differential hardening?
Or do we just mix and match pieces of high carbon and low carbon steel via forge welding?
Even with firearms making melee weapons irrelevant in the next decade or so in-quest, this is still an important decision for tool construction.
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>>4690437
>melee weapons irrelevant
>in 40k
>ever
Melee weapons will never go out of style.
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>>4690453
Okay fair point.
Basic steel weapons are still gonna be totally worthless when we rejoin the Imperium.
Plasteel is the absolute minimum needed for fighting xenos.
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>>4690453
To be fair, they are only relevant in 40k due to the armour humanity can produce and the OP nature of every other enemy.

Without power armour and force shields, automatic guns are going to be making melee obsolete in the coming years.
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>>4690437
I think that mixing metals will be better in the long run for now. Atleast until we reunite and get our hands on mechanicum learnin books
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>>4690271
She really likes good company, so while what you proposed as gifts she would probably like, it seems she would like more a way to contact us when she wants (like a telephone) until we can create a new body for her/free her from the mountain she is buried under.
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>>4690461
mayhaps we could study the egg to understand circuitry and electronics that way her directing us will go much smoother.
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>>4690462
We have already studied the egg and it seems we remember everything we studied from it. I don't know if we read everything it had but there were several times that the various things we learned from the egg were mentioned. That's how we managed to build everything we did(and because of Lieren's advanced intelligence).
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>>4690459
We’re on a planet where Chaos is hiding around every corner. There is no way daemons aren’t going to be a problem.
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>>4690513
And that has. . . Nothing to contradict what I just said?
Even with daemons being semi common they require worshippers to bring them into reality. Those worshippers will use guns to fight or they will be slain incredibly easily by a gun, barring empowered individuals such as the general or sorcerer.

The existance of demons does not mean that melee weapons will remain an optimal or even viable method of waging conflict against another, since as I said we dont have the really heavy duty armours that make it viable in the wider 40k universe.
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>>4690564
Don't melee weapons are more powerful in 40k due to the cultural significance in the collective human psyque, specially against daemons, just like fire? Or did that get retconned?
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>>4690621
Maybe
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>>4690621
No.

Specific weapons can be like that, like the anathema or specific made blades with high cultural influences, but just being a knife doesn't entitle you to pierce daemon hides.
The Chendao would likely become one of these weapons, if we were to more publically make it our sigil, but just any old Gaundao wouldn't benefit in the same manner.
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>>4690621
Probably retconned, given GW's record of getting rid of cool lore that makes sense. Chaos Undivided being all four my ass.
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>>4690645
>>4690621
Malal was retconned yet he’s in this quest. We can likely expect more old lore like that to be canon even if it currently isn’t.
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>>4690660
Malal was reconned in name only, but I do hope some of the more hard-retcon stuff is featured. Though that being said, most of the new Heresy-era lore I dislike are the later novels and Siege of Terra, which will be changed regardless, as we exist. But things like the sensei, grimdark over grimderp, and smart Emps are things I'd welcome back. Malal already confirmed Chaos Undivided's separation from the big four.
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>>4690660
Malal was too an extent, The sons of malice are still an offical Chaos warband.
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>>4690640
Swords are the best for killing daemons because it's the archetipical "hero" weapon. Axes and spears are good too, but axes are related to butchery/cutting wood (tools) and spears are the common soldier's weapon. Swords have a sort of "elite" feel about them and in W40K this has been going for long enough and with enough people thinking about it that swprds got a minor boost for this kind of shit. Not enough to outpower a Primarch-wielded Gundao when we have more experience with said weapon, but I would recommend a sword as a secondary weapon, just to be sure.
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>>4690867
That still doesnt make them viable for combat without the armour or supernatural skills to tank/Avoid the oncoming bullets. Because your enemy is a man more often than not and if you are facing a demon then using a sword isnt going to help you very much anyway.

The minor boost you describe isnt thay significant even in demon hunting
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I wonder if our future chapter will be one with a large proportion of wanderers throughout the imperium, which will not be on the official orbat.

Ronin and liulang, wandering the empire, helping the downtrodden and dispensing justice.
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>>4691010
I was thinking of having hiring out our marines as mercenaries.
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>>4691050
Selling virtue for money is the profession of whores.
Why would you make our sons whores anon?
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>>4691050
This seems really difficult, especially considering Lieren's philosophy(one part of which is being generous to other people) and even despite that, what would be their payment? Space Marine Legions are already some of the most well-equipped organizations/groups in the Imperium, so there are few things that they don't already have.
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>>4691068
>>4691078
>not using the money motive to spy on the rich assholes
As for what we could get favors? Archeotech? Who knows it was just an idea but I doubt legions get infinite funding or anything they want.
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>>4691050
>>4691084
Withholding aid from people who need it because they can't pay or expecting a reward for doing something we're supposed to do anyway is antithetical to the Journey on a really base level. As he stands now, Lieren would balk at such an idea.
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>>4691050
What?
I mean that would be a good idea if the heresy happens and Lieren gets lots in the warp.
That way his enormous rage and disapointment at his sons brings him back.
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>>4691084
I think there are organizations more specialized to spying than Space Marine Legions, the Legions get extensive support from the Imperium(either funding or resources) and if we wanted archeotech or favors we could try approaching some of the leaders of the other organizations of the Imperium. Making us good friends with the Adeptus Mechanicus will get us both of what you proposed as an example. Although we will need to find a way to solve the situation with Kanzeon since they don't like AIs.
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>>4691117
Offering our patronage to more unorthodox and borderline heretek members of the Mechanicum like Koriel Zeth and Ipluvien Maximal was discussed. Seems like something we'd do, thought it's another thing Big E could get us for if we displease him enough. Maybe we'll meet baby Cawl too, though I hope Malal tones him back a fair bit.
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>>4691156
We will need to extensively use Lieren's ability to read a persons intentions to see if they are actual heretics or they are trying to use Kanzeon for their own purposes. In the end however, we will need to deal with the larger Imperium's distaste for AIs, as it doesn't seem possible to hide Kanzeon forever or that she will like this situation.
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>>4691178
Telling them about Kanzeon up front doesn't seem smart. Zeth, for example, may be a heretek, but she still believes in the laws and tenets of the Mechanicum in broad strokes. The horrors of the Cybernetic revolt are not to be underestimated or downplayed, AI is feared for a reason. Getting people like Zeth or Maximal on board is going to be hard, but much easier than their more orthodox counterparts. Or we could just call up Cawl and tell him that we'll let him go buck wild so long as he makes some cool shit for us. Man was the heretek's heretek even as an acolyte.
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>>4691117
>A.I. probelsm
just don't mention her and tell the Mech boys to fuck off our ship.
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>>4691200
Well I didn't mean saying "we harbor an AI" the first time we meet them. Also considering this is an alternate timeline, some characters might have different backgrounds or personalities so it's even more likely we won't know their plans concerning us. I just propose caution and that we need to find a way other than keeping Kanzeon(or her sisters if we find them) secret from everyone/most people. As for the revolt, do you think we could "read" an AI like Kanzeon if it was corrupted or about to turn on us? In case we find other AIs or something goes wrong.
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>>4691206
Unless we have Kanzeon housed in a smaller body how are you proposing that we keep the tech-priests from taking a closer look of our huge Dark Age of Technology colony ship without starting a war? Or are you saying we should keep her buried/hidden somewhere the Imperium won't look(where)?
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>>4691210
To my knowledge, the only thing different about the Malalverse and "canon" 40k is that Malal (the god) put a little bit of secret sauce into the mix when Emps was making us and then curveballed our pod into the warp. Regarding hiding Kanzeon and her sisters, we could try to what Cawl and Cerberus from Mass Effect did with their AIs, which is to pass them off as nonsentient computer interfaces. Where the Revolt is concerned, we know next to nothing IRL, pretty much only that it was in M23 and made the War of the Beast and Horus Heresy look like playground spats. 40k Theories did a video on why it happened, explanations range from Chaos to C'tan to mass-malfunction to wanting equal rights. Preventing anything other than the last option is gonna be hard.
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I am kinda worried about malal right now guys
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>>4691216
Literally tell the tech boys to fuck off the ship. Plain and simple.
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>>4691254
Real life happens, I'm willing to bet this week is just hitting harder than normal. By his own admission, he loves writing this quest and has no plans to stop.
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>>4691231
We'll wait and see what happens then I guess.
>>4691258
Aren't the tech boys the same people who will be running the spaceships we will be on? If you mean that we'll be taking Kanzeon as our ship, the Adeptus Mechanicus and probably other people like the Emperor Himself will be interested to see it since it will likely be something they haven't seen before.
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>>4691254
Hopefully he's fine, he's had a few machine spirit troubles before.

>>4691329
Let's build a ship around her, make it seem like a totally-normal-not-DAOT spaceship.
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>>4691344
With large signs saying "please don't look here for tech-heresy".
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>>4691344
It's already a friggin' huge ship, I'm not sure if we compared it to a Gloriana class but either way, those things are noticeable, and someone will need to change the oil/frictionless materials when it needs servicing.
We'll need to be making a colony of Shangralans sworn to us to work on this ship to keep that secret underwraps. Then never invite any psyker, Ferrus Manus or Perturabo onboard. I'm guessing our homeboy Vulkan Big Hugz can keep a secret.
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I want to remind everyone that there are several examples of AIs hiding from Admech.
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>>4691675
Yeah people are forgetting that. And I don't just mean the missing Man of Iron

Also it's looking like this needs to be archived soon.
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>>4691258
thats how politics works
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Calling the vote now. Sorry for the long wait, been bogged down in bullshit the last few days.

Lift Yin Aiguo and attempt to flee from his men:7
Grab the spear and tail so as to keep them from falling into the hands of the easily corrupted:6
Lift the spear from the ground:3
If they will not flee they shall meet their death, you shall be truthful to your words: 16
Attempt to non lethally disable the courageous men: 2
loot everything:1

So Lieren shall keep his word, and give these valiant men the glorious death they deserve, even if they have chosen to serve foolish and tyrannical masters

writing now.
Sorry for the long wait again but I've just been fucking drained the last two days for various reasons.

>>4687675
>>4691254

thank you

Also all the talk of trying to avoid the Adeptus mechanicus makes me imagine Lieren being thought of as a luddite. Until the moment he reveals his hand and what Kanzeon can do in an hour of desperation.

>>4691804
soon
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>>4691993
I know that feeling all too well. My work makes my writing a struggle as well.
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I completely forgot that melee combat on this planet will still be viable because of the fog.
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>>4691993
>Dark mechanicus fleet closes in on Lieren who only has Kazeon still space worthy
>DM: ++Surrender you archeotech Emperors son, your inability to accept advanced technology has doomed you++
>L: That is where you are proven foolish, dark harbingers of impure gods. For in the far reaches of the Tyrant courts of Gao and Yan I learned one truth to surmount all in statecraft. Never reveal your trick until you need them.

>And that is how Lieren joined the next battle with a massive suicide fleet, curiously screaming for help as they detonated.
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>>4692017
Nothing beats turning your enemies into ammunition.
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>>4691993
Are we destroying the fox tail?
>>4692017
Who are those that scream for help? AIs?
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>>4692027
We've chose murder over flee, so we'll have time to grab the tail, the spear, and the general. It should be quick.

This was a terrible idea.
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>>4692058
To be completely fair, going off as a lone operative while we're gearing up for a massive battle was already a bad idea in most respects.
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>>4692027
The mechanicum who we didnt bother to silence
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>>4692065
How?
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If only you could have met them beneath a different sun, upon a different day. Such natural virtue and valor is a rare aspect of the hearts and souls of men. But, you have warned them, and you have spoken the wisdom you have cultivated through an eventful if short lifetime. If they will still stand besides their master as a loyal hound would, you shall not force them from the path they have chosen to take in their own lives.

Even if it shall result in their own death, and stain your hands once more with the blood of the valiant. It shall weigh heavily upon your mind, but it shall not be the first nor the last time you have been forced to snuff out virtue or talent to achieve the ends you seek. If one life lost can save many, it can be taken or spent. Even if it is a tragedy to do so, this wisdom in particular has contributed much in the way of deciding your own path.

With heavy heart and mind you bow your head once, before raising it high and with a single long stepped stride, walk over the withering form of the fallen lord of the northern Yin, to position yourself behind the line scorched through grasses and earth.

Slowly the fog begins to return, mending the wound Yin Aiguo tore across it to once more shield the eyes from the brilliance and cruelty of the sun's uncaring rays and to shroud the valley once more and hide the heaven's from sight. Strangely, the fog seems to return with more haste behind your back. The field before your eyes remains uncovered, as if Shangrala herself wishes you to witness the last charge of the Yin Riders. Or perhaps, that the fog itself recognizes you as its kindred and seeks shelter by your side, like a frightened child.

Both thoughts are naught by selfish attempts to blind yourself from what must be done to secure Yin Aiguo's memories. Mere balms meant to distract from the tragedy that shall be inflicted by your hands. How despicable of you. You focus your mind, tearing away all stray thoughts and ponderings that attempt to divert your attention from what must be done.

These men deserve your sole attention, they deserve the entirety of your focus. Their faces, their deaths both shall be burned into your memory, to sit enshrined by all the men you have been forced to kill. Among unsung heroes and the vilest of villains, among mere thugs and madmen. As all men that have died before your eyes, they shall be remembered.

Despite their allegiance, these riders are worthy of such respect and honor.

You do not say a word from your Journey or own heart. Instead, you stand as a steel clad sentinel. The men understand what they are doing, yet do not compromise their values and turn away as their less valorous comrades have. And you can see it, their hearts are entertwined.

Every man charging towards you, understands he is soon to die. And they are at peace with this fact. The only thought running through the rivers of the riders' minds, is the chance that Yin Aiguo can be saved.
cont
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>>4692081

It is regrettable their loyalty is tied to such a beast. But, to think such men existed yet within the Yan, men of such bravery, they could without a thought give themselves for their chosen cause, and unflinchingly choose the path that will lead them to an early grave. Such dignity, such virtue. Wasted upon a lapdog of the foxes.

How many men can claim to have faced the Giant unafraid, while maintaining their composure and dignity? Cui Fu's eyes burn from within the depths of your memory. It'd be cowardice to harden your heart now, as it would be cowardice to turn your mind away from the reality of this coming battle.

"Come, allow me to lead you towards your next life. Perhaps we shall meet again, beneath a different sun, upon a gentler wind" You sigh to wind and the fog, and the men who charge against both without any hesitation and fear
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<Preserved relic from the <Data corrupted> <Data missing> Lieren. Interred within the reliquary of <Data removed >, it is held in the stasis field of <Data unimportant>. The object is an oversized robe woven from a organic fiber referred to as silk, considered a symbol of status and duty among the people of the <Data corrupted> World Shangrala. It is dyed in pigments derived from native fauna and floral of the world. It has suffered anomalous damages that is comparable that that may be inflicted by xenos entity designation :NECRON WARRIOR: . The Object is missing the entirety of a sleeve to this anomalous damage, and has endured many other forms of damage including "Data removed". Beyond specks of long dried blood and ash that sully the threads the constitute the object in its entirety, a message penned in ink derived from native minerals and preserving oil native to Shangrala, covers most of the objects surface. It is a collection of names, and eulogy written in a sorrowful prose.

Translated to high gothic from the written word of the <Data missing> Culture of the Shangralan people thus is written.

"Beneath the gaze of a heartless sun, a desolate land lacking both wind and water. How cruel are the turns of fate, that we were to meet under such circumstances. Oh Noble souls, oh valiant dead. How I mourn what I have taken from the world and from your families. An irreplaceable existence, a wound that cannot heal is what I have taken and inflicted. Though I cannot stand by those who would mourn your passing, I wish I could stand amongst them. Oh those who were of virtuous hearts and loyal spirit, may you one day forgive this crime I have committed, and meet me upon a land of a gentle, nurturing fog, plentiful and prosperous. May we meet again, beneath white skies and flowering fields. Oh those men of courageous souls, who would not allow the seed of fear to twist their morals. I shall forever regret that your lives were among those I must pluck and snuff out prematurely. May your kin and kindred recover from the pain of your passing, and may your next life be long and fruitful.
cont
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>>4692065
We did this repeatatly in the past.
It's just that the anons never chose to stop and fight elite units while abandoning the mission, and ignore the daemonic taint.
Hope it doesn't become a trend to start getting into fights just because we can and to show off, or will devolve into Goku.
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>>4692084

Forgive me, for what I had to do oh Noble souls, Oh Valiant dead"
-

Yin Aiguo had tried to crawl to his horse, and looked at you with eyes filled with fear and the blind terror of a fleeing animal. His army lay scattered or dead around you. Fires burned in the distance, torches of light burning through the fog. The villagers had locked themselves in their homes, and the horses of the valiant riders of Yin wandered the plains once more shrouded in fog.

The General's magnificent steed, breathed in slowly and purposefully, trained to endure the pain you had caused it. Yin Aiguo's eyes have mutated, into those of a fox. He was in pain, he was suffering. Yet he still lived, despite his grievous injuries. He would not be long for this world, however.

The barrel embedded in your Chendao still billowed smoke and steam, the metal still glowed from heat produced by friction and ignition.

You were tired, weary. More in mind than body. You armor was pitted and scarred. The scent of gunpowder smoke and blood clung to your skin and the silks that covered it.

Blood of heroes who fought for the wrong master, for the wrong side. They lay lined before you, bodies in dignified repose. You had not marred their features nor maimed them as you had done to their general, who led them to such an unfortunate end by the loyalty he had inspired within them.

Like a field of macabre flowers, they lay. The only signs of their passing, dark bruises above their hearts or deep cuts upon their throats or stomachs, or a limb that had been carelessly severed or simply lost. They shall remain so, until they are given unto the fire, and reduced to ash, as is the old custom. If only you could bury them with the same oil that preserves the men who fall beneath your banner, then their flesh could become as a field of flowers rather than mere ash.

"I..." Yin Aiguo says in a voice of man many decades older than himself "I shall be rewarded in the heavens, an endless feast of pleasures awaits me, Ogre. My loyalty shall yield unto me untold riches and rewards, should such a thing as the after life exist"

He laughs, the laugh of Gao, the laugh of so many who use nihilism to excuse their debauchery and excessive and wasteful lifestyles. How it sickens you. It inspires more disgust than the change of his eyes.

"If anything comes after death, you shall return as an existence beneath a worm if there is any justice in the world" You say coldly, pulling the Lotus Scepter from a satchel upon your steed's side.

"Painted in so much red, so much scarlet, so much crimson. Truly you appear as an ogre now, or one of those Vishnu Savages" Yin Aiguo spits back at you, before groaning and wheezing, his body breaking down by the sheer abuse it has endured and the corruptive touch of the fires that once cloaked it "How shall your insipid journey explain away the blood that you dye yourself in now?"
Cont
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>>4692076
Well, from an outsider's standpoint,
the leader of the entire revolt just ran off towards an enemy encampment to go "something" with no backup and no means of communication right before one of the most crucial battles in the entire war.
Now the actual details make that much less irresponsible, but you have to understand how it looks to some folks.
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>>4692087

"Do not call a man your enemy, simply because he stands by those who oppose or seek to harm you. Virtue does not remain on a single side of a war or smaller conflict, it is present within both sides, in some manner or another" You reply, emotionlessly. You have long since accepted after all, that there are times the blood of the benevolent and virtuous must be spilled for the greater good. For the dream of a truly prosperous world.

With that answer given, you hook your hand under Yin Aiguo's armor and tear it away, raising the Lotus Scepter to stab its needle directly into his heart.

The glint of gold catches your eye, as the winds whip the fox tail further away from the site of battle. Still close enough to be caught, if you endeavored to do such a thing.

"What is that?" The lord of the Northern Yin squeaks as he beholds the majesty of the ancient tool within your hand.

You do not answer. Lest it ruin the harvest of his mind.

What do you say before you steal Yin Aiguo's memories, Lieren?
>"What does Yan Weizha plan for the hostages he has taken, Yin Aiguo"
>"The children, what fate awaits the children!"
>"With whom does the Yan King Consort with, Dog?"
>"What orders were you given, what treachery awaits me and mine?"
>write in?
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>>4692092
>"What does Yan Weizha plan for the hostages he has taken, Yin Aiguo"
>catch that tail
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>>4692092
>>"What does Yan Weizha plan for the hostages he has taken, Yin Aiguo"
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>>4692092
>>"What does Yan Weizha plan for the hostages he has taken, Yin Aiguo"
>>"The children, what fate awaits the children!"

most important pieces of info right here
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>>4692091
said leader has also ran into a forest legendary for being hell on earth and emerged with savage allies and literally monstrous students, before declaring he was going to march his army through said hell upon his return

Which he did, before going on another jaunt into the forest once again
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>>4692092
>"What does Yan Weizha plan for the hostages he has taken, Yin Aiguo"
>"What orders were you given, what treachery awaits me and mine?"
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>>4692106
Oh, and get that fucking taio cut off so we can burn it for god's sake.
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>>4692092
>What does Yan plan for the hostages
>What of the children?

>When we are done, get that spear.
Honestly, I am disappointed and somewhat ashamed. But such is their deaths and they died gloriously.
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>>4692092
>"What does Yan Weizha plan for the hostages he has taken, Yin Aiguo"
>After Yin's memories have been extracted, retrieve the golden spear and fox's tail
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>>4692091
I think they have accepted that Lieren is eccentric in the extreme but somehow there is method to his madness.
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>>4692092
>>"What does Yan Weizha plan for the hostages he has taken, Yin Aiguo"
>>"What orders were you given, what treachery awaits me and mine?"
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>>4692092
>"What does Yan Weizha plan for the hostages he has taken, Yin Aiguo"
Smack the fox tail back into the ground with the flat of the Chendao.

>>4692100
>>4692101
>>4692102
>>4692106
>>4692111
>>4692115
>>4692121
Would it be a bad idea to shish kabob the tail to the ground by throwing something at it?
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>>4692141
Yeah. Just burn it to ashes.
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>>4692017
I'd feel sorry for any thing that tries to board Kanzeon. Imagine Dark eldar or Night lords trying to take the ship via invasion.
Ever shifting fog filled corridors, distant chants from the journey and a hateful voice piercing into their minds. Will the next door lead them into the empty expanse of the void? A yawning furnace? a field of strangling iron vines? Or will it lead them Directly into an ambush preformed by the 2nd legion

It'd be like fighting in super Vietnam, except the environment is actively hostile towards you.
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>>4692146
Dark eldar are masters of stealth and psi inert most of the Time. So they are still quite deadly even boarding the shop but I think that they would be especially hard pressed to make off with the slaves.

But never feel sorry for Deldar. Ever.
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>>4692152
deadliest game of hide and seek in history.
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>>4692153
I think it gets worse as they get locked into a single section of the ship and all human crew has been evacuated or covered in protective metal.

Just imagine, the vox system casts out a deep voice, almost smiling if not for the malice you can hear underneath.
>"welcome to my ship and dear Friend Kazaron. Now you have been killing and disappearing my crew for the past few hours, so now I shall be coming for you. It is not my nature to be cruel so take what little comfort you can in this, your hour of doom. I shall be seeing each and every one of you before the hour is up, Auvidazain."

>"Primach Lieren has entered the Arena"
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Is it me or is posting in the thread becoming annoying?
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>>4692165
I think its reaching critical mass. One more update+vote before new thread
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>>4692141
I think we should pin the tail down and meditate on that feeling we get when we are near a daemon, like you guys said we would.
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>>4692143
Are you saying we should leave the general to persue the tail?
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>>4692226
No reason to, it's cut off and on the floor.
Just set it on fire when we are done.

But good on >>4692170 for reminding us, we do need to meditate on the sensation on our way back to the army.
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>>4692092
>also collect the spear
Also why aren’t more people voting to do anything about the tail or spear?
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>>4692241
because we are getting a guys memories?
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>>4692235
>on the floor
You should read
>The glint of gold catches your eye, as the winds whip the fox tail further away from the site of battle. Still close enough to be caught, if you endeavored to do such a thing.
It’s trying to escape.
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>>4692248
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

>>4692115
Adding
>Shoot that fucking piece of demon with our Chendao NOW
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>>4692092
>>"What does Yan Weizha plan for the hostages he has taken, Yin Aiguo"
>>"What orders were you given, what treachery awaits me and mine?"
>Move as fast as we ever have and try to prevent the tail from escaping.
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>>4692084
>It has suffered anomalous damages that is comparable that that may be inflicted by xenos entity designation :NECRON WARRIOR
Uh oh...

>>4692092
>"What does Yan Weizha plan for the hostages he has taken, Yin Aiguo"
>"The children, what fate awaits the children!"

Probably going to have to smack that fox tail as well...
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>>4692387
Perhaps vote to shoot it. And quickly rather than waiting.
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>>4692092
>"What does Yan Weizha plan for the hostages he has taken, Yin Aiguo"
>"What orders were you given, what treachery awaits me and mine?"
Destroy the fox tail. Also is that spear a gauss flayer?
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>>4692092
>write in?
Pick up a spear and throw it impaling the fox tail that we might focus our attention on this interrogation

>What will we say?
"Will the Heavens reward a fox who uses cubs to shield itself from a panther? Tell me o crafty fox what fate awaits those children taken?"
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>>4692413
Backing.
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>>4692092
>"What does Yan Weizha plan for the hostages he has taken, Yin Aiguo"
>"What orders were you given, what treachery awaits me and mine?"
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I back killing the fox tail with extreme prejudice and asking about the children as it seems more on brand.

As a former intelligence community professional I exclude myself from writing in what I feel the interrogation procedure should be and what intelligence we should be asking because this is the Second Primarchs journey. Not the twentieth, nineteenth or eighth primarch quest.

Also since it's clearly a slannesh daemon it's probably immune to advanced interrogation procedures I would recommend save maybe things involving ice or some more nurgle techniques.
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>>4692480
Same. Kill the tail.
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Fiercely protective of the common human, the Sons of Lieren rush to the aid of their Imperial Guard brethren against a foul Tyranid splinter fleet. A Leman Russ Executioner and Land Raider Crusader fight side by side as the sea of alien chitin is sundered by blade, bolter and lasgun.
I recently learned you can make custom chapter badges in Retribution.
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>>4692480
>As a former intelligence community professional
You fucking with us?
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>>4692512
Always and never.

Doesnt really change anything though.
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>>4692512
Always and never. Treat everything on 4chan with not even a grain of salt. Any claim of a job is false and any accurate information only an insider would know is a well researched falsehood.

Doesnt really change anything though.
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>>4692517
Had to ask.
I've always wanted to get the facts from a former spook, no harm in shooting my shot desu.
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>>4692518
>>4692517
The fuck 4chan?
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>>4692512
>>4692518
>>4692519

What he said. That being said the amount of IC members that play 40k that also use this site is shockingly high. I won't go off on what to do unless it's useful. Like in the case of collection of information would be in my lane.

Though in this case like I said it's the second primarch, not any of the spycrafty primarchs or in this case interrogation, which honestly Interrogation was more Alpharius and The Night Haunter, and collection was more of a Jaghatai ( scout units) and Corvus Corax thing. Granted Robutte Guilliman would have definetly had a lot of intelligence gathering skills with his high aptitude for logistics.

In the case of this particular incident, interrogation is instantly done through the needle and there is no need for enhancing it though there isn't a need that isn't to say that enhanced interrogation isn't deserved any further. However, as far as intelligence needed, we need to honestly have Lieren set up an intelligence gathering network (the roads practically build the perfect humint and dead drop network for him) and collection requirements.

As of right now- I'd say thematically priority one as far as character development is asking where the kids are and what his plans are.

Followed by honestly "What orders where you given,"

However these are all secondary to DESTROYING THE FUCKING TAIL WITH FUCKING FIRE.
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>>4692572
Honestly, as distasteful as Lieren would find it, even he would acknowledge the need of something akin to a Spymaster.
Who would we put in charge of our little Secret Service though?
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>>4692586
He should probably do it himself desu.
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>>4692586
That advisor that we know nothing about, he clearly has talent and experience.
Just gotta find more about his background tonknow if he can be trusted.
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>>4692586
i mean we have a bunch of cat people, i imagine one of them would make a decent spy, (stealthy and all). and they have built in weapons (claws) incase they get captured.
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>>4692586
We have one. Qian Xia.
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>>4692606
true. a guy that wont eve give us his name would probably make a good spy
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>>4692610
Nothing screams "I'm a fucking spy" like not being able to fit in with your targets.
It might be something as small as slipping up with your accent or something blatantly obvious like being a goddamn cat-person.
They'd make great scouts on the battlefield, but field intelligence work isn't something I can see them doing.
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>>4692623
your right, scout was the word i was looking for
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>>4692681
>>4692623
>>4692613

I keep forgetting we have amazing scouts, and Recon is key in collection.

>>4692613
Qian Xia
Yeah,,, That is a good point.
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>"What does Yan Weizha plan for the hostages he has taken, Yin Aiguo"
>"What orders were you given, what treachery awaits me and mine?"

>>4692492
Nice
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Reminder that asking a lot of questions will let the tail escape.
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>>4693018
Not if the tail is dealt with quickly and from range, be it pinning/shooting or what have you.

Because running off the catch the tail means that Yin here is going to either bleed out or commit ritual suicide.
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>>4693034
Honestly as a primarch we could probably throw him over our shoulder and chase the tail down and destroy it before proper interrogation.

It would also probably be a powerful interrogation motivator.

So my vote is
> Throw him on shoulder, destroy tail as he watches
>Then ask questions
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>>4693018
The tail is secondary to the information. I'd bet the farm on seeing that daemon again pretty soon, but it'll be difficult, if not impossible to get the information we're here for elsewhere.
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>>4693018
That's why you destroy the tail first.
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>>4692387
Is that a vote to do something about the tail?

>>4692412
Sounds like it. Is that Necron tech?

>>4692413
Support

>>4692473
What about the tail?
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>>4693374
It isn't necrontech, you can mostly tell because it is gold and it actually did something without a necron holding it.
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>>4693379
Old one and Necron tech is sometimes incorporated into DAOT artifacts.
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>>4693418
That's DAOT not Necron. It's an important distinction
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>>4692092
>>"What does Yan Weizha plan for the hostages he has taken, Yin Aiguo"

>>4692492
based
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>>4693374
I guess it could be. Up to malal to take it that way.

>>4692492
Nice work anon, the scheme actually looks pretty good.
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>>4692492
Can we get more? Can you get some titan's with the Fog Panther Marine logos?
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>>4693374
>Sounds like it. Is that Necron tech?
Doubt it. Shangrala was advertised in thread 1 as a world with a notable amount of archeotech, not as a tombworld. Most of, if not all the technology we find will be human made from the Dark Age.
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>>4693969
Makes me curious to see how Shangrala will look like when it joins the Imperium. Will Lieren keep it a Feudal world with a special organization of scientists dedicated to researching the archeotech or will he use the archeotech to vastly improve the lives of Shangrala's people? The last option will lead to extreme cultural shock so even if we want to do it, we will need to do it gradually.
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>>4694013
probably the latter. there's no reason why we can't go from 1 to 11.
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>>4694013
Everything Lieren has been doing has created cultural shock so far, so might as well go all in if it would improve the lives of the people
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>>4694013
I think Lieren would see the value in maintaining the culture of the people he conquers, but not letting tradition excuse a lack of reform where it's needed. He'd probably take charge of Shangrala's reintegration himself so he can make sure everything goes alright. Honestly, if he can get further advance technology before the Crusade arrives, Shangrala will probably wind up looking more like an Interex world than an Imperial one.
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>>4694026
>>4694030
>>4694039
So a modern Civilized world but with a protected environment as dictated in the Journey and keeping the local culture as much as possible without having people suffering. It means we'll need to change the Vishnu (and possibly other nations) with their slavery and war culture.
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>>4694055
Warrior culture isn't inherently bad. We're gonna be fighting wars for the foreseeable future. It's any potential bloodshed-induced revelry that we want to curb, in addition to slavery. Where the other nations are concerned, we know fuck all other than their names, the Shunni and Bask. Presumably they're analogous to Sunni Muslims and the Basques of Spain, but that's really just going off of phonetic similarities.
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>>4694090
I think it was mentioned in a conversation with someone that the Shunni are fanatics but I don't remember the details. Who knows how they will react to Lieren's Journey(and if they become fanatic followers of it). As for the Vishnu I meant their tendency to fight in general could lead to problems and we should give them a purpose worth fighting for.
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>>4694129
Using the Vishnu to do what they're good at is smart, Yan melee culture can't really hold a candle to what we've heard the Vishnu can do. As for Shunni fanaticism, I worry about any future Word Bearers/Monarchia parallels. It seems that each culture on this world is predisposed to one of the Big Four, I suppose fanaticism and the desire to spread ideals could be linked to Nurgle. It'll be interesting to learn about cultures other than the Yan, I thought the Vishnu emissary was interesting.
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>>4694013
I think we can manage to strike a balance between feudal and modern world. Maybe something steampunk-ish, depending on how we go. I feel like industrialising too rapidly would ruin the look and feel of the planet a little, but deliberately keeping it down is too cruel for Lieren.
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>>4694143
Remember that the Tzeentch sorcerer in the underground city was a Vishnu, though he might have been an exception. Really most cultures can have followers of any of the Four(even if they are hidden) although some are more closely aligned with one of them as you said(and all four kinds of worshipers can be fanatics). The only cases this can't happen are Necrons and Tyranids(read the fall of Shadowbrink if you haven't, it's funny how the Tyranids counter everything the daemons do, including their reasons for wanting to fight them).
>>4694164
The problem is keeping them Feudal will mean the people will lose many of the comforts that civilized worlds have but being civilized has its own problems if you aren't careful how you do it.
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>>4694182
>Remember that the Tzeentch sorcerer in the underground city was a Vishnu
That's true. I'd imagine if he were born a psyker he'd have a hard time living in a proto-Khornate culture. Guess if they don't remain uncorrupted they're more predisposed to Tzeentch than anyone else. Up in the air, I suppose.
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>>4694210
Everyone but Khorne has psykers right? Which makes what happened in dawn of war 2 weird.
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>>4694241
Khornate psykers are very uncommon, but exist in a few instances. Official Khornate gospel says that Khorne cares not how or from where the blood flows, only that it does. Official Khornate gospel also says fuck psykers because martial pride. But now there are grey areas like telekinetic psykers ripping people apart or psykers using force weapons. Depends on who you ask, some people hate the idea, others don't mind it.
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>>4694253
So a Berzerker who uses telekinesis to wield a dozen chainaxes at the same time is alright by Khorne?
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>>4694264
I'm sure Khorne would make an exception for such a man.
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>>4694253
Weren't also cases like some worshipers not killing defenseless people and others killing everyone they found(including themselves if no one was around)? So it depends on the type of followers.
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>>4694302
That was old lore when the chaos gods still followed part of their positive aspects, in this case being Khorne's honor.
Honestly GW aways retcon the good stuff to replace with trash.
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>>4692092
>"What does Yan Weizha plan for the hostages he has taken, Yin Aiguo"
>"The children, what fate awaits the children!"
Straight to the point. Don't ask about the foxy consort, we want to use the sceptre later without having to exorcise the demon taint.

Burn the tail. Keep a sample to study and meditate on.
Take the spear for study. Do not use it until our eyes can prove there's no more taint.
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>>4694383
We don't have the tail. It's floating away. You can vote to catch it, if you think we can do so before Yin Aiguo succumbs to his wounds.
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>>4694143
Shunni are Tzeentch. If they are based on the middle east they can’t be anything else.
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Note: Couldnt we ask the questions, stick the device in the general and then run off to catch the tail while its working? Its not exactly like we need to be present.
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>>4694566
Not really. Man might pull it out and it only takes a couple of seconds for the memory orb to be made.
Actually using it is another matter, but we could elect to just not do that until we catch the tail
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>>4694518
Elaborate on that, I'm curious as to your reasoning. My knowledge of the Basque makes me think they'd be Tzeentch, they have a history of trickery and mystique, at least in warfare.
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>>4694518
Shunni have to be Nurgle, they both like green.
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>>4694673
>>4694681
Zoroastrians literally are the origin for the word “magic”, “jinn” in 40k terms are just daemons (I don’t mean roughly analogous either considering they’re beings of smokeless fire), green being the color of Islam doesn’t mean much considering the Arabs have a strong propensity for backstabbing for example "I am against my brother, my brother and I are against my cousin, my cousin and I are against the stranger" is an Arabic saying.
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>>4694241
I believe Khorne is fine with psykers as long as they don’t use their powers in combat.
He may also be fine with them using their powers to nullify other psykers before killing them with a good old-fashioned axe, but that’s less clear.
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>>4694938
Don't really know. I have read conflicting stories but it seems it's treated differently between editions. I've read that the world eaters outright killed all their psykers(librarians) when they turned to Khorne and that's the only part I have seen as consistent between editions.
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>>4694717
But all chaos worshipers are more or less backstabbers. Khornates don't care who they kill as long as they kill someone.
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>>4694982
It’s a fair point but in Islam Allah refers to himself as the greatest of “decievers” which can taken literally or interpeted as a schemer. Either way it screams Tzeentch.
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>>4694986
It could be that the shunni are not chaos workshippers and that they fight with the other people of shangrala because of that.
Very unlikely though.
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>>4694938
That's a big NO. Khorne hates psykers in all editions and in practically every book from all authors. It's one of the few things that can be considered fully cannon
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Calling the vote. Sorry for the wait. still having IRL troubles.

"What does Yan Weizha plan for the hostages he has taken, Yin Aiguo!":15
Catch the tail:12
"The children, what fate awaits the children":7
"What orders were you given, what treachery awaits me and mine?":6
""Will the Heavens reward a fox who uses cubs to shield itself from a panther? Tell me o crafty fox what fate awaits those children taken?":3

Total votes:20

So Lieren will ask "What does Yan Weizha plan for the hostages he has taken, Yin Aiguo!" as he pierces him with the lotus scepter, before attempting to catch the devil's tail. Then he shall view the memory he has taken from a dying man.

Also its a good thing shouting "The children, what fate awaits the children!" didn't win, as then Yin Aiguo would've thought of his own children. Figured since it lost , I'd reveal the outcome of that particular vote.

Anyways, writing.

Sorry again for the wait.


>>4692492
Awesome.
I really enjoy this screenshot, mostly because of the Space marine charging through fire with thunderclaws to fuck up the Nids, followed closely behind by mundane guardsmen, no doubt inspired by the words he has spoken.

He's making his father proud.
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>>4695074
I’m surprised Khorne hasn’t completely locked his daemons out of the material plane out of sheer stupidity.
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>>4695115
Oh you cheeky devil
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>>4695134
I mean it sounds logical. If we had taken the time to test the Scepter on humans first, we might have figured it out.
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>>4695115
>Also its a good thing shouting "The children, what fate awaits the children!" didn't win, as then Yin Aiguo would've thought of his own children. Figured since it lost
BULLET: DODGED
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>>4695115
>Also its a good thing shouting "The children, what fate awaits the children!" didn't win, as then Yin Aiguo would've thought of his own children.
Absolutely daemonic.
Am I right in assuming that in an attempt to both catch the tail and interrogate the cultist, we're going to fuck up both tasks?
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>>4695154
It is logical, I just find it to be cheeky since it's obvious if you consider it, but nobody would.
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>>4695170
That's the problem with perspectives. We thought the hostages, he thought his own. It's something that I have seen happen regularly unfortunately. You ask someone about A, he answers about B because that's what he understood that you wanted.
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>>4695166
That would be a dick move.
Although Malal did give plenty of chances for anons to stop wasting time, so it would be fair.
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Yin Aiguo, the once dignified servant of the Yan tyrants and maddened warrior, screams and howls like a dying panther as the ever present fogs of Shangrala wash over his prone form, seeming almost like a shroud composed of a thousand grasping and pulling hands seeking to drag his sinful soul to darkest depths of hell. The Lotus Scepter pierces has pierced the maimed lord's flesh, and its needle has bit between the space between two oh his ribs. The force of the scepter hitting his chest, completely shatters the two thin strips of bone and cracks those above and beneath its place of entry.

"What does Yan Weizha plan for the hostages he has taken, Yin Aiguo!" The echo of the sole question asked to the defeated servant of wickedness, echoes across the valley like distant thunder, your own voice reaching your ears as you witness the lotus scepter preforming its grisly work.

Beads of strange liquid, partly gaseous, condensates upon its gilded surface, dripping down its length as it both evaporates and solidifies. Streaks of red and pale gold run together, brushing against the natural and soothing waves of fog as the Lotus upon the end of the scepter begins to open and spin.

Yin Aiguo wails like a damned spirit, his face contorting with agony unimaginable to your own senses, his eyes cloud, become foggy as he whimpers. For a moment, his pale lips tremble, before he lurches upwards and begins to howl and cry to the heavens as a pale golden light drips from the center of his brow, and slowly tears itself from his skin. It begins to float upwards, dancing upon the air like an ember.

the small drop of memory, presses itself upon the meeting point of silver and gold upon the scepter's middle, and the device suddenly begins to glow brilliantly as its victim's body tenses and spasms under the duress of its draining touch.

The clouded drops of red and pale gold, vanish into the metal. The Lotus scepter's work is done.

Yin Aiguo's eyes move wildly, confusion dominating his dying mind as he no longer remembers the purpose that had brought him to his ignominious death. Thus, his death is a mercy and you deliver it with utmost haste, by first pressing the scepter's needle deeper into his chest, piercing his heart before tearing it violently out of his chest. A fountain of blood follows it, spraying the scarred steel upon your chest with the final essence of the man's life force.

Standing back to your feet, you turn your eyes to the sky that is still barren of fog. A most upsetting and unnatural sight to behold beneath the top of mountains. The flame spirit's disembodied tail, dances and waves upon the gentle winds like a dancer's ribbons.

Its golden fur standing out against the pale blue fields of the heavens.

It cannot be allowed to escape, to work its wiles upon another's mind. Sweat flies from your brow and arms as you begin to sprint, outpacing the returning fog with ease.
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>>4695264

Though as you escape its embrace, the ever present shroud seemingly gives chase to you as well, rushing to fill the void upon the fields with apparent gusto and renewed vigor. Thus, as you run across the empty plain, the expanse is filled by the fog the trails your path as if it were an ever loyal hound.

The Lotus Scepter begins to produce the Core comprised of Yin Aiguo's final memory, dark almost black reds entombed within a shell of almost floral gold. The golden tail swirls upon a wind current, seeming to swim against it. This delays its escape long enough for you to reach it, fog swirling around the trunks of your legs and the core of your stomach as you prepare to leap upwards as far as yoru battle weary body can propel itself.


The tail shoots upwards, as if carried by a nonexistent gust. Throwing your empty hand forward, you snatch it by its end, and fall as an assault of mental images and illusions written in ghostly fire attack your mind. Gnashing teeth, human corpses peeled of their skin and roasted over coals as they are still living, babes snatched from their mothers wombs to be drowned in oil and fried as they take their first breath, scenes of carnal exultation and tortuous lovemaking, Men drowning themselves in wine, women hanging themselves to sing strangled notes. A scene of hellish hedonism, of let unseen debaucheries and atrocities upon man kind burns in the depths of your mind, all watched over by a pair of fox eyes.

But, with a calming breath, the nightmare is snuffed out and silenced like a fire deprived of air. Brick by brick, you rebuild the fortifications of your mind as you lay beneath the fog. The visions the tail has attacked you with, fade away and become as dust as the gap within your mental defenses is mended and reinforced.

"Sorcery" You snarl in annoyance, a dull throbbing above and between your eyes the only lingering memory of the assaults. Wrapping the tail upon itself, you then cover it in a tarp of wax covered cloth you carry among your traveling tools, and proceed to nail it shut with a sliver of your breastplate, that you had torn off as if it were a piece of bark.

Setting the contemptuous, and still wriggling piece of fur to the ground, you snatch the memory core from the lotus scepter. It is fatter than the three you have in your possession already, and seems akin to an overripe fruit.

The wax coating covering the tail's hastily constructed prison, begins to weep and melt, as tongues of flame escape through the gaps of the cloth wrapping.

A cold light of intermingled red and gold washes over you.
and the dying thoughts of Yin Aiguo become known to you.

Through his eyes, you see the depths of the Yan palace, white marble, polished gold, gems dotting the floor, pillars and walls to paints scenes of ancient battles and long dead rulers. Tapestries woven of silver and gold thread, dotted with jade of all colors hand across the shadowed hall.
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>>4695264
Thought you were making a new thread.
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>>4695265

The general's eyes dart between sconces filled with expensive resin and wood incense , to the thick walls of smoke hanging over the extravagant hall. Men dressed in clothing woven from the felt made of fox fur and exotic silks languish beneath the dim lights of these fragrant fires. Lords without land, worthless men who have never worked a day in their life. Courtiers born into debauchery who know nothing but hedonism.

They are more animal than men, The deceased general's thoughts align with yours briefly as he turns his attention away from primal scenes of copulation and gluttony, of bodies coated in sweat and the greases and juices of meat and fruit alike. Servants skitter like servants as he is escorted to the very heart of tyranny that you oppose. Women dressed in nothing but thin furs and strings of jewels entice the general and entourage that accompanies him into the oil and grime slicked center of the corroded heart of Yan.

Tortured screams and wails of terrified souls accompany discordant music and the screams of abused beasts. A sensation you have felt before runs over your flesh, digging beneath your prickling skin and stabbing into your spine like a thousand minuscule needles burrowing into your muscles and veins.
<https://youtu.be/7SvPlLdV8Xg>
Evil is present here. Heavy and potent, like the stench of rotting corpses and stagnant sweat, mingled with spilt blood and fragrant oils.

Doors carved of solid jade stand before Yin Aiguo, young girls collared and shackled labor to open them as ogres of men stand in the shadows, gently caressing the razor tipped whips they hold like beloved pets. The blubberous monsters watch with glee, as youths hunt an aged servant like common game, carried upon the backs of musclebound servants.

Foxes with mange dance among the heels of the young servants, snipping and snapping at their thing bare legs as they push themselves against the titanic wall of jade.

One of the men accompanying Yin Aiguo vomits. A scholar, who reeks of gunpowder, dressed in robes of black silk accented with gold and white. The man falls to his knees, shuddering and whimpering as he struggles to hide the disgust he feels towards the feverish scenes of inhuman hedonism and wickedness that surround him.

A sight unseen by the general's eyes, shrouds the scene. Multicolored tails of flame, colored gold yet tinged with searing whites and flesh pinks begin to crawl from the crack in the overly ornate gate.

Carvings of maidens and foxes skipping across fields of flowers and fruit bearing trees are etched lavishly upon the surface of the precious gem carved into the doorway, which is molested and caressed by the great tails of flame. A deep, burning hatred fills your mind, as Yin Aiguo walks blindly into the vile field of unseen energy.

The sound of teeth scrapping against bone, fill his ears and thus your own.The vision distorts as your grip tightens and nearly shatters the orb that contains these terrible memories
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>>4695268

The throne room of Yan Weizha is entirely empty of decoration and the wickedness beyond it. Clean and lit by clean burning oils, the marble walls are simply carved. Fox furs line the ground, and a great throne of black jade sits upon a raised platform with stairs forged in solid gold.

"His excellency, Yan Weizha, heaven bound ruler of the Yan kingdoms and rightful liege of all that exists beyond their borders welcomes you, ever humble servant of the Yan kings and wise general, Yin Aiguo" A deformed hunchbacked servant says in a most prideful manner "You alone may be graced with his dignified presence and receive the honor of hearing his voice for yourself, enter at once, Yin Aiguo, humble servant of the Yan kings and wise general of the Qilin"

Your vision clouds as you see a feminine figure standing besides the bloated body of the Tyrant himself. Her flesh waxes and wanes, like smoke. All of the foul energies filling the throne room originate from her body. From within her flesh. it is thin, like paper, fire flows through her veins! Witchfire! Dark fire! Golden fire!. The illusion the creature wears struggles to maintain itself beneath your gaze, eight furred tails sit upon her spine, with a ninth forged solely of fire. Fangs replace her teeth and golden claws tip her fingers.

The taste of blood fills your mouth as Yin Aiguo happily greets the abomination shrouding itself from his perception, shifting liquid flesh masking its true form, it wears a coat torn from a living women.

"Huli Jing greets the benevolent king's honored guests" It speaks in six stolen voices as a sensation of lust fills the general's mind before it is drowned by the sheer revulsion surging within your veins, struggling to tear itself free and manifest outside of your blood. Every inch of your skin trembles and stings baring witness to such potent evil manifested into flesh.

"Do not speak for me, whelp" Yan Weizha wheezes, the fat surrounding his throat squeezing his voice as he sits himself up straight, rolls of jiggling beneath his robes "My dearest pet, my darling servant, Yin Aiguo, your family has been given a most important duty, your cousin already carries out my command. But he, besides my damned fool of an uncle do not understands the gravity of the task given unto you loyal three for they cannot be trusted to not be blinded by the weakness of the hearts of men"

The man, fatter than any human should be, stands under his own power, fox eyes glaring from beneath his heavyset brow. He moves with a grace and fluidity of a man seven times smaller than himself. The stench of sorcery clings to his putrid, pallid flesh.

"My honored, venerated and beloved lord, what do you speak of? if Yan Zihao and Yin Huizhong cannot be trusted to know the purpose of our duty, then why am I, the humble Yin Aiguo, allowed to hear this truth?" The general coos, heart filling with unbound joys and bliss.
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>>4695267
Said 1 more update and vote. this is that
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>>4695269

"Because, my beloved pet, you understand my word should be venerated and held as gospel, beyond even that commanded of the heavens. You revere me as all men should, as a living god unlike the lies worshipped by the peasantry" the bulbous Yan Weizha speaks in a grim tone, his golden and jade specked robes flowing over his feet, as the Huli Jing creature follows behind him like a pet expecting to be fed fat coated meat "Unlike other men, the words of the Ogre would not even reach your ears should he speak to you. You cannot be blinded by worthless philosophy and hope and are loyal enough to endure the truth of matters"

Yin Aiguo tries to speak, as the fox creature hiding in the still living flesh of an most unfortunate girl whispers in Yan Weizha's ear. His long, lustrous black hair dances as he shakes his head once before nodding

"The Yan Dynasty, has stepped within its final dawn. Our doom quickly approaches, carried upon wings of ill omen and treachery. The ogre Lieren, cunning and wicked, has poisoned the land too much for us to ever hope to reclaim it" Yan Weizha sighs, hanging his head as he speaks "But, we can prevent the fool from taking his prize, by burning it all to cinder and ash upon the eve of his victory"

Terror, sorrow, confusion and pride fill Yin Aiguo's mind.

Yan Weizha laughs, his fattened flesh jiggling and bulging like a fish filled with parasites.

"To sour the sweet taste of victory, and sully all that man has built. To poison his journey at its very roots, the hearts and minds of the worthless beasts we call peasants" He sneers, as the Huli Jing creature stares directly into Yin Aiguo's eyes, and refuses to avert her gaze "A legacy his children will never be able to escape, the shame of failure. The LIVESTOCK, you are gathering for me, shall be the catalyst for the Ogre's first and final failing"

The words sicken you. How you desire to reach through time and pluck the fat crusted heart of this speaking animal from his chest and crush it between your fingers. Every breath he takes sickens you, enrages you, disgusts you. He cannot be allowed to exist for a moment longer than the moment your hands wrap around his blubbery neck and squeeze the life from his bloated form.

"Desire?" A voice echos in the shadows at the edge of Yin Aiguo's vision


"And shall serve us well as fodder, in our final exultation of our glory and divinity" Yan Weizha mutters, as if consumed by pleasure and delight by the very idea "The moment my uncle falls into the Ogre's jaws, we shall begin our final indulgence upon flesh and feast, as he suckles upon the marrow and fat clinging to his time withered body"

Your skin shudders besides your mind.

"You desire this pawn's death?" the voice questions again in the darkness, as sweet as honeyed wine and the juices of ripe peaches. You do not allow it to reach your heart.
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>>4695271

"A funerary celebration!" The toad sings, hoping on feet that should snap at their ankles beneath such prodigious and impossible weight.


"The streets shall fill with delights and experiences unknown to any man, we shall slake our desires and thirsts upon the livestock delivered to the capital by the able hands of you three loyal men" He says, drooling as he speaks, eyes clouded by lust and the madness of desire "And save the children for the final days, to be crucified and nailed upon the road and walls of the city, for Lieren to witness their final, torturous moments before the delight of oblivion, they shall be gutted and disemboweled before his golden eyes, for all to see his failure as a hero of the people and his patron"

"M...my lord?" Yin Aiguo manages to bark, loyalty barely winning out against horror and revulsion by the purpose of his mission "Have you given up hope of victory? we can still crush the rebel forces, we can win back all we have lost and burn away The Journey he preaches as we did to the Monks of Dai. We have not lost yet, the war can still be...!"

"No, it cannot be won, there's no point. I can see our death coming through the fog, ordained by golden spheres" Yan Weizha says blithely, patting his stomach as he speaks "Us godlings should enjoy a final pleasure before our end comes, then spit into the eye of our slayer, by denying him the victory he so craves"

"If it would please you, I could deliver this bloated worms carcass to you, give my blessings to the new dynasty as I have for many of its failed predecessors. Prosperity, plenty, equality for all men beneath the sun and even further beyond" The voice in the darkness purrs as it attempts to tempt you with its fragile words and loyalty

Smiling to reveal fangs gilded in gold and replaced with black jade, Yan Weizha snickers like a spoilt brat of a child.

"As the last whelp is devoured alive, our glorious rapture shall be proceeded by a storm of black..." Yan Weizha begins, turning his palms to the heavens as his expression becomes drowned in drunken lust and depraved desires

You return to the present.

Your veins bulge against your skin, your nails dig into the surface of the memory core, cracking its surface. All has gone silent, except for the rage screaming into the void of your mind, the dark of your soul screaming to be unleashed upon the servants of wickedness and gospels of hedonism.

There is an urge to scream and howl to the heavens. A most detestable conundrum has presented itself to you. When the banner of Yan Zihao falls, the Tyrants shall begin butchering and defiling the innocent, and they have proven able to see events they should not be privy to.

A split in the road forward. A tortuous decision.

Shall you lead your army in the final defeat of the Yan, and allow innocent souls to be given to the uncaring night.
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>>4695273

Or risk everything and once more march alone to prevent such atrocity by your own hand and blade. To risk giving away the certainty of victory to halt such madness, and risk your own life to do battle against your truest enemy yet. Or to knowingly allow the slaughter of many innocent people to lead your army and bring retribution for the lives lost.

How wicked, how wicked, how very wicked. The Yan deserve the worst punishments in life and death. They deserve to burn and see all they have built brought to ruin before their eyes.

But even you cannot be in two places at once.

What do you decided, Lieren?
>Ride alone to the capital of the Yan. You cannot abandon children to such a foul fate. Their cries shall be answered by a giant with kind golden eyes
>Return to your army, and personally defeat Yan Zihao and Yin Huizong, before marching your army to end the "Final feast" of the Yan Tyrants
>Meditate, clear your mind and seek answers within yourself
>Unleash your restrained rage with the howl of a furious earthbound god. THE BASTARDS! THE WHORESONS! THEY SHALL PAY FOR THEIR WICKEDNESS!
>Write in?

Also a fitting song for the current situation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUzTiAjLQ_g
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>>4695277
>Meditate, clear your mind and seek answers within yourself
Time to unlock psyker powers and fuck them up.
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>>4695284
>Ride alone to the capital of the Yan. You cannot abandon children to such a foul fate. Their cries shall be answered by a giant with kind golden eyes
And this too.
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>>4695277
>Meditate, focus upon the pain of the demons attacks.
>Restrain your anger, but do not let it dissipate

Right, so I'm thinking that we need to charge right on ahead, but lets calm down and consider before making rash moves. righteous as our wrath is, blindly rushing towards the problem won't save them.

Perhaps we could Explain to the man's uncle the truth, but I don't think we have the luxury of that time.
One thing is for certain, we cannot return to our army. Even if the battle is lost, the loss of life is too great.
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>>4695277
>>Unleash your restrained rage with the howl of a furious earthbound god. THE BASTARDS! THE WHORESONS! THEY SHALL PAY FOR THEIR WICKEDNESS!
>>Ride alone to the capital of the Yan. You cannot abandon children to such a foul fate. Their cries shall be answered by a giant with kind golden eyes
this is a tough one
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>>4695288
And I feel that it is incredibly important that we hold on to this rage. I'd like to see the Daemonette overpower it.
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>>4695277
>Meditate, clear your mind and seek answers within yourself
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>>4695277
>Meditate, clear your mind and seek answers within yourself
>Restrain your anger, but do not let it dissipate
>Ride alone to the capital of the Yan. You cannot abandon children to such a foul fate. Their cries shall be answered by a giant with kind golden eyes

We must stop this, if we forsake them we forsake our own teachings the many must come before the few
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>>4695277
>Punch ground, grab spear
>>Meditate, focus upon the pain and pressure between your eyes, let it sharpen your perception and guide your mind to an answer.
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>>4695277
>Ride alone to the capital of the Yan. You cannot abandon children to such a foul fate. Their cries shall be answered by a giant with kind golden eyes
>Unleash your restrained rage with the howl of a furious earthbound god. THE BASTARDS! THE WHORESONS! THEY SHALL PAY FOR THEIR WICKEDNESS!
Let's hope we brought enough Chen-Dao ammo to RIP AND TEAR!
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>Meditate, clear your mind and seek answers within yourself
>Restrain your anger, but do not let it dissipate
>Ride alone to the capital of the Yan. You cannot abandon children to such a foul fate. Their cries shall be answered by a giant with kind golden eyes
this is the kind of situation where a messenger bird would have been extremely important, we would have been able to send a message that would explain the situation to our army, so they would fight with even greater fieceness, while we go kill this absolute cunt of an emperor and his demon assistant
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I just had a thought. What if Lieren's manifested psychic discipline is telepathy?

That'd be immensely helpful.
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>>4695277
>Meditate, clear your mind and seek answers within yourself
>Unleash your restrained rage with the howl of a furious earthbound god. THE BASTARDS! THE WHORESONS! THEY SHALL PAY FOR THEIR WICKEDNESS
I kind of want to do both. Psyker powers are in part manifested emotional energy and Lieren has a lot of emotional energy right now. Also
>Get that damn spear
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>Write in?
Ride back to our comrades and confirm the situation to them, the plan is simple but daring. We change the fate they have hoped to have come to pass. We will ride to meet the enemy army, we avoid a measure by offering one on one combat and do not ask them to lower their banner upon defeat. There will be no blood bath nor shaming we will tell the enemy general what their master plans are, we will show them.

If they join us we march on the feast together in rapid time due to no battle, if they fail to do so we will bait them back and back drawing out the fight without losses pulling them away from the Capital. That will allow us to go to the Capital ourselves.

All the while we meditate on what is and what may be.
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Gents we cant leave our men hanging because they'll start the fight and without a plan and worrying if we're ok this will be even worse.
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>>4695328
Have some faith. We left Gao, Yin and Jinhai in charge. They will have a plan.
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>>4695326
You do raise a good point though. They are waiting until their greatest warlord falls.
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>>4695326
You seem to forget that they hve a daemonnette that can see shit.
They will know that the army is defeated. Not only that but they probably have a lot of opportunists and loyalist that will try an assassination or multiny kinda like what happened to the turtles when we went to parlay.
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>>4695277
>Meditate, clear your mind and seek answers within yourself
To find out better how to do this
>Ride alone to the capital of the Yan. You cannot abandon children to such a foul fate. Their cries shall be answered by a giant with kind golden eyes
They will also might have a trap laid for Lieren. How will we deal with potentially thousands of hostages? If we are found out they might start killing everyone. Do we sneak in and kill the emperor and the daemon? Call for reinforcements from our trusted men and tell the rest to gain time without defeating Yan Zihao? They might see our army movements and move forward with their plan. Also who was that talking to us in the vision? The daemon or someone higher?
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>>4695392
The Daemon. Probably the tail.

Also, we need to GET RID THE TAIL AND GET THE SPEAR
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>>4695402
Why on earth would we get rid of the tail? We should destroy it, but only after we've studied it enough to get a grasp on what daemons are or where they come from. That would put us on a level none of the other primarchs were pre-heresy. Knowing the true nature of chaos will be a boon.
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>>4695407
Destruction/get rid, basically interchangable in my dialect. Anyway studying daemons is a bad idea, we know that they are evil and that sorcery cannot be trusted Currently so there is no reason to risk ourselves with this taint ridden artifact.
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>>4695418
>permakilling daemons isn’t worth studying Chaos
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>>4695277
>Unleash your restrained rage with the howl of a furious earthbound god. THE BASTARDS! THE WHORESONS! THEY SHALL PAY FOR THEIR WICKEDNESS!
>>Ride alone to the capital of the Yan. You cannot abandon children to such a foul fate. Their cries shall be answered by a giant with kind golden eyes

Time to rip and tear.
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>>4695430
Yeah, you can't permakill daemons.

Big E can, his sword can, maybe a few super rare OCDONUTSTEEL weapons black library wrote into the lore, but generally speaking Permakilling daemons is impossible. The best you can do with psychic abilities is dethread them so they have to spend centuries reforming or bind them/seal them in something.

And studying a cut off piece of daemon flesh that speaks to us isn't going to give us ANY of those weapons or skills.
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>>4695418
One of, if not the biggest mistake the Emperor made was not telling the Primarchs about Chaos. Here we have an opportunity to begin finding that out on our own and you want to throw it away out of some sense of debunked paranoia?
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>>4695454
More I see absolutely no gain that we haven't already gotten, at the cost of bringing temptation incarnate near our followers.

We know about chaos. We know it exists. But nothing this tail will tell us will be of any great use.
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>>4695277
>>Unleash your restrained rage with the howl of a furious earthbound god. THE BASTARDS! THE WHORESONS! THEY SHALL PAY FOR THEIR WICKEDNESS!
>>Meditate, clear your mind and seek answers within yourself
>>Ride alone to the capital of the Yan. You cannot abandon children to such a foul fate. Their cries shall be answered by a giant with kind golden eyes
Time to unleash Lieren’s dark raging fury
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>>4695447
You can permakill daemons, without Big E or super special weapons. You need to target the spiritual body of a daemon to pull it off.
From Dark Heresy
> A legendary ability that few pyrokinetics are strong enough to even wield, much less have the courage to use. Holocaust calls forth a raging white-hot firestorm ignited by the Psyker’s own soul. The flames of a Holocaust burn across dimensions, affecting the entities of the immaterium as well as material beings, but the cost is high as the psyker risks losing his own spirit to the fury of the conflagration. The fires of a Holocaust always burn outward from you, dealing 1d10 Energy Damage per point of your Willpower Bonus to all creatures and objects in the area. This Damage bypasses Toughness Bonus and Armour. You take 1d10+1 Energy Damage (ignoring Toughness Bonus and armour) each Round that you sustain this power. There is no immunity to the fires of a Holocaust and Warp Entities, as well as other immaterial creatures, are burned as readily as the fleshbound. Those slain by Holocaust are killed forever.
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>>4695475
We don't know about Chaos, we know that there's something in a realm parallel to our own. We know vaguely that it's hostile and corrupting, but that's it. We don't know about the gods, we don't know how corruption takes root and spreads, we don't know that these aren't just xenos that live in the warp, like the Emperor told everyone during the Crusade. Hell, we don't really know what the warp is. Kanzeon mentioned warp storms, but we don't know of its nature. We also don't have to bring it near our followers. Such a lack of vision will be our downfall.
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>>4695482
Actually I’d like to modify a part of my vote
>>Meditate, clear your mind and seek answers within yourself. Focus your rage for the coming battle, let it build up but restrain it so as not to blind you
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we do all agree the tail is a piece of the demon right hence why she had 8 normal tails and 1 wispy one.
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>>4695277
>Ride alone to the capital of the Yan. You cannot abandon children to such a foul fate. Their cries shall be answered by a giant with kind golden eyes
>>Meditate, clear your mind and seek answers within yourself
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So nobody else is voting to take the archeotech spear?
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>>4695506
Does that mean that we can harm it directly? Like destroying it or focusing our psychic powers through it(when we get them) will deal more damage? Although I don't want to keep the tail. Every story that I've seen of people trying to learn about chaos to find its weaknesses ended badly for them.
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>>4695534
I thought it's implied we took with the tail.
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>>4695534
Here
>>4695277
>Remember to take and study Yin Aiguo's spear.
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>>4695277
Not sure what the fuck my other vote was as well, but also add too it.

>Take spear
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>>4695535
Well, is the story set in 30k or 40k?
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>>4695550
I haven't read any 30k ones so 40k and not sure how big of a difference this makes.
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>>4695284
>>4695538
Actually I will add to take the spear just in case it wasn't implied.
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>>4695559
There's bit of difference. From the time Emps made his presence known during the Unification Wars and up to the middle of the Great Crusade, the power and influence of Chaos was at a notable low point. Lorgar read: Erebus was responsible for the scales of power changing through their evangelizing and corrupting.
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>>4695586
Does that mean that mortals other than Primarchs have low chance of being corrupted? Because I wasn't worried so much about Lieren but any others unlucky enough to being influenced. After all, even in 40k there are people with less chances of being corrupted. Grey Knights for example.
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>>4695604
Lower than normal. Where cults spring up like weeds in 40k, Chaos seems to have to make a concentrated effort for them to form during the Crusade era. We also know in broad terms that the tail is bad news and can keep it away from our friends and allies appropriately.
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>>4695611
It did get kind of ridiculous how easy chaos cultists cropped up in 40k. I guess we just have to be a little extra careful with the tail if we want to research it instead of destroying it. Don't leave it away from us though and if we feel there is a chance of bad stuff happening, we destroy it then.
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>>4695619
I agree, keeping it on or near is us important. We should go somewhere isolated and empty to study it, less chance of collateral that way. I found Yan's mention of Guozhi's order interesting. We could kill two birds with one stone and head to the monastery. Maybe it knows what happened?
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>>4695622
It could be that they were a thorn on the Yan's side(like being an anti-chaos psykers) or they were simply people that teached lessons opposing excess and the Yan didn't like that. Even if the daemon knows about what happened, it doesn't seem likely that it'll help us currently and we are kind of pressed for time.
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>>4695627
If they were uncorrupted psykers, the daemon could tell us that, which, if we actually have the psychic potential, would help us immensely. We would know who (Guozhi) to go to to ask for training and we would learn that daemons are vulnerable to psychic attacks. I agree we are pressed for time, but we're literally going to the capitol now. I'm not saying we should turn the gigahorse around to go learn about persecuted religious orders.
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>>4695632
Well I would trust more anything that Guozhi tells us and if they did have psyker powers or something unique, you'd think that Guozhi would have told Lieren during one of their conversations considering how close they are.
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>>4695658
Lieren has had no reason to ask Guozhi "Hey, do you and your friends have wizard powers?" Guozhi said outright that he can reincarnate and Lieren, who doesn't know about psykers (only having encountered the tzeentchian daemonhost) just smiled, nodded, and assumed these were the delusions of an old man. If this isn't the case and Guozhi and his order can use their psychic powers to reincarnate, Lieren manifesting abilities of his own would be a catalyst for him to realize Guozhi might actually be telling the truth.
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Why are you lot suggesting we keep the slowly corrupting force near us no not for the moment sealed away deep in a vault away from all influences. because its so painfully obvious its apart of the Fox switches body which we saw in the vision so she will be able to see through it as well.
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>>4695662
We will see when we ask him then.
>>4695695
I personally voted to destroy the tail. If people decide to keep it, maybe they have a way to solve the problem with corruption and spying.
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>>4695695
>it's another "dude, malal was lying when he said he wouldn't corrupt us if we vote to take a part of a daemon" post.
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>>4695695
Because we can't do that now?
If we are going off to stop the Yan we either burn it right now or keep it with us, can't put in a vault because we would have to go back to ship instead.
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>>4695277
>Meditate, clear your mind and seek answers within yourself
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>>4695277
>Meditate, clear your mind and seek answers within yourself
Dont forget to destroy the tail we have in the most potent forge.

Guys. I think it's time to visit the ship waifu. We can solo them if we get some quality Archeotech armor.

>>4695297
Rage to give into Khone if his presence exists in a different continent.

>>4695318
We still need to get more specialized ammo.

>>4695322
I'm personally still holding out for Navigator powers. They're pretty cool.

>>4695323
Dont we still have it? The player spear I mean?

>>4695392
But he needs new armor.

>>4695402
Just the tail, not the spear. Lieren would notice if there was any residual warp presence in the spear.

>>4695534
I votes for keeping
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>>4695277
>Meditate, clear your mind and seek answers within yourself

Voting for destroying the tail. We can find better samples to study when we raze the capital.
Why do you guys think we should keep it when there as other places and things we could use for study? As it goes this sample is a hazard that could escape.
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Okay, what if we
>run home as fast as possible
>tell our guys the situation
>tell them to delay the defeat of the Zihao army for as long as possible, take a book out of Dai Niu’s book and become an impenetrable shield if necessary
>meanwhile, as Zihao fights and Weizha waits for his demise, we will take our Brothers of Panthers behind enemy lines and assassinate every noble in Yan before anybody can give an execution order.
Sneaky breeki
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>>4695763
First, there are times and places for rage. This is one of them, provided we use it like we used it against Gao.

Second, we can't get navigator abilities. Those are biological.

Third, I said get rid of the tail, and to get the spear. Not get rid of both.
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>>4695277
Generally supporting this suggestion:
>>4695896
>run home as fast as possible
>tell our guys the situation
>tell them to delay the defeat of the Zihao army for as long as possible, take a book out of Dai Niu’s book and become an impenetrable shield if necessary
>meanwhile, as Zihao fights and Weizha waits for his demise, we will take our Brothers of Panthers behind enemy lines and assassinate every noble in Yan before anybody can give an execution order.

Minding that the longer Lieren takes, the more hostages are collected and potentially sacrificed. He should be able to plan on the way back, meditating on the go as Lieren has done before about the situation, the actions of the Yin commander and the spirit that possessed him.
I'd like the outcome of that to be faster and stronger mental fortification construction. Lieren already displayed the aptitude in the fight now and we can practice on the tail that we have bound and hopefully destroy as soon as we can like now
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>>4695927
>spoiler
Shit, do you think the daemon tail might corrupt some of our friends? Not everyone is as mentally strong as Lieren so it’s probably a good idea to keep them as far away from a living daemon as possible. This goes double for the full daemonette itself, when we find it.
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>>4695930
>Shit, do you think the daemon tail might corrupt some of our friends?
Not if we don't take it near them.
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>>4695937
There's discussion just above and earlier about how Guozhi's monastic order was likely capable of dealing with chaos and that it could have been wiped out for threat that posed to the Yan kingdom.

The rest of our friends are probably daemonbait. Maybe even the feral Vishnu who lived in the tainted forest might have some resistance.
Especially Kamakshi, best girl.
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>>4695277
>Meditate, clear your mind and seek answers within yourself
>Ride alone to the capital of the Yan. You cannot abandon children to such a foul fate. Their cries shall be answered by a giant with kind golden eyes

>Write-In
Upon arriving on the capital, we will write a message and leave it on the saddle, for then send our horse back to our army.

We will tell of our mission success, and explain what we now know, as well our current location. For our army is fundamental they concentrate on their battle against the great general, afterwards they will need to march on the capital. If the great general posses a champion with a weapon of sorcery, don t give him time to use it, kill it. It can be taken down, but it s as dangerous as a magical beast. The Journey words are detrimental to it, so use them.
The weapon it self shouldn t be touched, after the demise of it s user. It should be wrap in cloth and locked inside a robust box with guards watching it while not near it.
After the battle when you are ready to march towards me, remain wary on the road. Even if i am able to defeat the Yan in their lair, it s unclear what could happen in the capital region or if the other servants of Yan will still fight against us. I expect the land, the city and the people to be in a misery without end, they will be desperate. So bring more supplies and reinforcements from Nothing.
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>>4695948
Cui Fu! Genius!
We can trust our brother to return home, can we not? Horses always love to return to their place of rest.
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>>4695269
>Your vision clouds as you see a feminine figure standing besides the bloated body of the Tyrant himself. Her flesh waxes and wanes, like smoke. All of the foul energies filling the throne room originate from her body. From within her flesh. it is thin, like paper, fire flows through her veins! Witchfire! Dark fire! Golden fire!. The illusion the creature wears struggles to maintain itself beneath your gaze, eight furred tails sit upon her spine, with a ninth forged solely of fire. Fangs replace her teeth and golden claws tip her fingers.
>The taste of blood fills your mouth as Yin Aiguo happily greets the abomination shrouding itself from his perception, shifting liquid flesh masking its true form, it wears a coat torn from a living women.
Reminder that this is supposed to be a memory Lieren is viewing. Lieren’s eyes can pierce illusion other people see. Somehow.
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>>4695277
>>4695314
Support
>>4695948
Also supporting the write-in

BTW Ragefags, let me ask you a question: ARE YOU ALL INSANE. WHO THE FUCK FIGHTS CHAOS WITH EXCESSIVE EMOTION?!? The last thing we want is the interest of Khorne or depending on our rage to dogreat combat deeds, for fuck's sake...
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>>4695948
Support
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>>4695948
Supporting
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>>4696011
Our excessive sorrow became fuel for innovation.
Do not deny your emotion, if you must weep then weep. If you must laugh then laugh but control it. We wrote a specific passage about this very subject.

Furthermore what do you mean "the last thing we want is to do great combat deeds?" We just tore apart an army and now we are going to be facing down the forbidden city.
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>>4695288
I'll change this to this >>4695948
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>>4696019
>>4696028
>1 post ID
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>>4695948
Support
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>>4696067
Sorry my dude. Phone posting does this to me because work wifi sucks. Granted this is my first thread to participate in.
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>>4696107
Fair enough, I apologise. Those two new IDs supporting the same option so close to each other just looked pretty suspicious.
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>>4695277
>Meditate, clear your mind and seek answers within yourself
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>>4695277
>Find the most suitable rider among the civilians captured by Yin's forces and have them deliver a message to your general detailing Yan Weizha's plans
>Grab Yin's spear and bind the fox's tail in chains
>Ride alone to the capital of the Yan. You cannot abandon children to such a foul fate. Their cries shall be answered by a giant with kind golden eyes|
Changing to this, might be disastrous otherwise
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>>4695948
i also support this idea, send cui fus horse back with the message of whats going on, with the note that the old fox is likely not fully aware of what he is doing the people collection for
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>>4695948
Remember that the daemon can see the movements of the army so anything we order the army to do consider that the enemy will know.
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>>4696119

For the record this was
>>4696107
me at work
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>>4696190
If the old fox is not aware then we might have a simple solution, simply tell him that his nephew is sacrificing him to indulge in his degeneracy and Lieren has proof at the capital. If he accepts then we’ll have sidestepped the entire battle.
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>>4696046
>>4695277
Changing vote to RAGE! Anon made a good point. We did put it in the book.
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D0n't remember if I already posted so here it goes

>Meditate, clear your mind and seek answers within yourself
>Restrain your anger, but do not let it dissipate
>Ride alone to the capital of the Yan. You cannot abandon children to such a foul fate. Their cries shall be answered by a giant with kind golden eyes
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>>4696285
Tri-linked las cannons
Flare launchers
Small 360° laser turrets
Wing mounted twin link heavy bolsters
Am I missing anything
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.>4696299
sext-linked melta chin mounts
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>>4696299
>>4696301
Only the best for the Primaris
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>>4696046
Just because we don't deny our emotions doesn't mean we should go crazy with them. Screaming and raging at this moment in time won't do anything to help the hostages. Stopping, calming ourselves and thinking, on the other hand, will.
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>>4696276
The problem is that the sacrifices will start when the army goes down.
The daemon will know if we try to parley since it seems to be able to see how all of our battles went down, and they probably put down a few hardcore loyalist in the middle of the old Yin after the stunt we pulled with Dai.
We should probably try to make the army stand down without bloodshed after we deal with the king and daemon.
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>>4696305
Screaming is an immensely cathartic experience and can help get all that rage out of our system.

But I dont think we should do that, I instead propose keeping hold of the rage and keeping it under lock and key until we need some energy or fuel to power on through the forbidden city. Be it against psychic attack or pushing our body to its limits. A biological battery if you will
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>>4696046
There is a difference between weeping if a friend dies and going berserker when fighting chaos daemon prices/greater daemons. Every time we have to fight, there is someone that says "AND LIEREN GOES BRRRRR" as a write in. If we fight a Greater Daemon as an 8 yrs old Primarch (not fully grown) without proper weapons, preparation and without our greatest tool (our sharp mind and strategic thinking), we are getting Alpharius'd before even meeting the emperor.
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>>4696385
Actually we have no idea how strong a berserking Lieren is.
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>>4696385
Just don't go beserk, keep your head on your shoulders. I don't understand why this is hard to grasp, our control over our emotions is superb and our anger is a great resource to use.

We've seen a man stand upright out of sheer spite already and carry on a conversation his body said he shouldn't be able to do, Why is using this anger without letting it drown out our mind so against your sensibilities?
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>>4696341
I suppose that’s alright. A bit of righteous fury won’t hurt, Black Templars use it all the time.
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Alright calling the vote now, and archiving this thread

Meditate and clear your mind, seeking answers within yourself:20
Ride alone for the capital of Yan. You cannot abandon children to such a foul fate:17
Restrain your anger but do not allow it to dissipate: 5
Unleash your restrained rage with the howl of a furious earthbound god:5
Grab the spear (Which Lieren was going to do, to keep others from taking it anyways, as he isn't so careless): 8
Ride back to your comrades and confirm the situation to them: 3
Write a message back to your army attached to your horse:8

total votes: 24

So Lieren shall first, calm himself and meditate to clear his mind and look for answers within himself. And then ride alone to the capital of the Yan kingdom afterwards, hoping to avert the gravest atrocity that has ever befouled Shangrala.

Daiyu, with Yin Lei and Jinhai as her advisors, shall lead the final official battle of the rebellion against the old fox

Writing now and making new thread
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>>4696551
Now is the time. Can the journey survive without us?
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>>4696570
FIND OUT NEXT TIME ON PRIMARCH Z
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>>4696551
>Daiyu, with Yin Lei and Jinhai as her advisors, shall lead the final official battle of the rebellion against the old fox
She's gonna make us proud, I know it.
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>>4696592
Watch our girl pull off the Gap secret marital technique against the final boss: the Double Dragon fist- WOOSH!
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>>4696551
What but what about the General's Mare? Is it still alive?
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>>4696592
Great. I can't wait for Lieren to learn the 40k's equivalent to the Kamehameha.
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Fun fact: Buddha once stared at a wall so hard he burned a hole in it.
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>>4696619
Yes it is
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You know. Lieren’s eye bullshit is so strong it could end the Horus Heresy before it even starts.
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New thread is up: >>4696713

Get in here lads



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