"It's nice to see that you're alright, Touko." You smile in relief as you notice Touko finish up on the phone, a begrudging frown on her face as she hangs up.

"You too, Wakame-kun." Touko looks happier than usual to see you. "I'm surprised that you managed to escape from a Servant and their Master all by yourself, without anything to help you out." She smoothly pulls a star shaped emblem out of her pocket.

"Oh! M-master! C-can you please get me away from this woman? S-she's not an authorized user and-" Amethyst starts babbling as she notices you.

"Shut up." Touko interrupts the star. "I don't quite trust the Second Magician after I discovered he gave my student a spy camera to create problems for him to be solved and recorded. If he wants to meet him so badly, he can do so himself."

"W-well actually..." The star goes to defend itself, but Touko interrupts it.

"I don't want to hear your excuses, artificial spirit. A brief examination of your functions shows me that you could've easily prevented Shinji from being captured last night yet you simply choose not to." The star seems to be trembling in fear.

"I wanted to! I... I wanted to." The star seems to wilt entirely as it is viciously accused of treachery by the powerful magus tormenting it. "I was... created with explicit orders to monitor how Shinji Makiri handled situations, the only exception being if he requested me to take action. Otherwise, I'm under orders not to protect him even if it might end up killing him. I have no such function where I am supposed to create problems for my... my Master." The star comes clean. Guess that Touko has decided to take care of the Kaleidostar's apparent treachery, even if you weren't really expecting all that much different from it. Besides, it's not like it's truly betrayed you.

"Then the time you warped me high into the sky, you're telling me that was entirely an accident?" You just want to confirm, after all, you don't really think you'll be able to actually forgive Amethyst if it really was on purpose.

"Yes! Do you understand the amount of calculations I had to do in order to ensure a successful escape from that goddess' temple?" Amethyst seems to be pleading with you to show some mercy to her for being about just as useless as you imagined a gift from Zelretch in the shape of a star would be. It did get you your Noble Phantasm though, so perhaps it is actually working within the limits of what its directive allow it to actually do in order to aid you?

Touko runs a hand through her hair. "It's up to you if you want this damn thing back, I'd be more than happy to keep an eye on it for now though." Tohno puts the star back in her pocket for now. It might be the best place for it, at least for now, it might be useful, but until you can actual properly judge what Zelretch is actually after from you, it might be detrimental in allowing it to act freely. Who's to say that the Second Magician couldn't assume direct control of it or something?

"Well, I'll think about it." Whatever you end up deciding to do with Amethyst, the fate of the mystic code isn't why you wanted to talk with Touko anyway. "So... who exactly was that on the phone?" The wry smile on Touko's face immediately disappears.

"Somebody that I had no choice but to talk to. They'd end up being more of a pain in my ass then they usually are if I kept this quiet from them." She sighs. "Damn obligations."

"Well... uh... thanks, Touko." It's not really often you see Touko so active and incensed, and it's kind of throwing you off your game a little bit. You break away from your teacher, who begins to smoke a cigarette. You probably ought to wake up Betty now.

You walk up to Leysritt and wordlessly take your Servant from her. You're expecting that you're going to have to make a lot of noise to try to wake the girl but strangely enough, the mere act of you picking the girl up seems to awaken her. "Master?" She looks at you through bleary eyes, before focus returns to them and she hugs you tightly when her mind confirms your identity. "Please don't leave me alone again, Master! My dreams... they get worse when you're not around..." Well, that's kind of worrying.

You pat Betty on her head as you try to reassure your Servant. "Don't worry, I'm going anywhere. Not if I can help it." You make a mental note to try to avoid getting yourself kidnapped in the future. Twice in a day is bad enough, and if you stretch it, you're pretty certain you can include Arcueid as one of the people who've technically kidnapped you as well, given the events of today.

"Is it a promise?" Your Servant seems to stare into your soul as she asks you that innocent question. "Do you promise that you won't leave me again?" There's quite clearly no secondary motive behind her question, it just seems that your presence brings her a measure of comfort for some reason.

"Y-yeah." you feel a little awkward about making such a promise in front of everybody but you suppose it can't really be helped if she asks you like that. You suddenly feel yourself made quite conscious of the amount of female gazes upon you as you make a promise to your Servant. Come on, she's obviously a child, and not simply in a physical way like Illya is either, but she's quite obviously mentally a child too, one with a terrible burden placed upon her by the nature of the class that is 'Foreigner'. Also, unless she's properly incarnated into a living body, she's not actually going to age... Hmmph, you might be able to use Truth to some degree to solve that issue, maybe.

Betty smiles at you happily as you make a promise to her, and you place her down on the floor where she readjusts her dress. You know, you're not quite sure if it's a good idea for her to be wearing her Servant clothing for this, but at least unlike Avenger and Saber, her outfit consists of normal clothing.

Without any additional delays, you enter the grounds of the Tohno mansion, your entourage following close behind with Betty at your side as your Servant and Arcueid, Satsuki and Sakura all following you uncomfortably close behind you. It's really a miracle that they aren't tripping you up with how close they are to you. Everyone else seems to be able to keep up with the somewhat rapid pace of the walk except for a tired looking Illya being carried by Leysritt while pouting.

You are let into the Tohno Mansion by two maids, Kohaku and Hisui, twins, and standing at the entrance hall to greet you is none other than Akiha herself, who appears to be somewhat displeased by the turn of events. Sure, she'd be a fool to turn down a visit from you, but that doesn't mean she has to be happy with organizing a meeting on such short notice. "Welcome, Makiri Enterprises, I take it that you're the CEO?" Akiha looks at you with an appraising eye. "You know, you look a lot older in all your photographs, but you also look... kind of familiar." You'd best not remember, Akiha, for your own sake more than anything else.

"I find that people perceiving me to be older than I actually am is better for my company. It's hard enough to do business at my age without people being prejudiced against me simply because I am their junior." It's the truth, but it's also thanks to your clever usage of a puppet that actually appeared to be about twenty eight years old was a perfect way to avoid any attention being drawn to you by the media. A multi-billionaire boy would make you the topic of endless headlines and you'd practically be a world celebrity for your accomplishments alone, and you're really trying to avoid attention. Not that it seems to be working for you.

"I understand that you wish to invest upwards of 20 billion Yen in Misaki Town, but can't this meeting be postponed until tomorrow?" You had really sort of forced the issue and pressed upon your underlings just how important it was that you got this meeting immediately. Of course, usually, when you make suddenly spontaneous decisions like this, it ends up doubling the value of the company very rapidly, so they did literally everything in their power to ensure you got your meeting. "I understand that you're a busy man of course, but I would be given more of a chance to get everything in order for the contracts you wish to sign with the Tohno Family." You're not even actually in a meeting room yet, and she's already trying to postpone things. "Not to mention that the sub-families can't send their own representatives until tomorrow, and if I act without their approval, then things will just be harder for the both of us." Hmmph, you don't really care if the meeting is delayed or not. It was just a cover story after all. Though you wouldn't mind investing in the Tohno Family and Misaki Town regardless, you feel like you could make quite a bit of profit from this town, not to mention having a few properties within it would be highly beneficial. "If you insist, we can discuss your wish to invest in Misaki Town privately and unofficially, but it much be far more beneficial for the both of us if you and your... entourage were to simply spend the night in the guest quarters."

>"I'm afraid I'm a busy man, Miss Tohno, I don't want to waste any time when it comes to discussing just what my intentions in Misaki Town are with you." (Talk to Akiha alone)
>"This was actually all a cover story so I could kill SHIKI anyway. Sakura, please restrain the Mixed-blood here, oh and the maids too. We're heading to the basement." (Restrain Akiha and the Maids)
>"I suppose we can stay the night. Will you be directing us to the guest quarters, or will one of your maids be doing the job?" (Stay the night, you can just break into the basement privately like this.)
>"I believed you had a younger brother, did you not? Is he not going to be joining us or is he of the sort who usually stays outside of official family affairs? (Inquire about Shiki, it could be bad if he's not home yet.)
>Write-in...

>>4636580
>>"I suppose we can stay the night. Will you be directing us to the guest quarters, or will one of your maids be doing the job?" (Stay the night, you can just break into the basement privately like this.)
That's perfect.

>>4636580
>>"I believed you had a younger brother, did you not? Is he not going to be joining us or is he of the sort who usually stays outside of official family affairs? (Inquire about Shiki, it could be bad if he's not home yet.)
Shiki is the only person in this house that can effectively kill Roa, we need him or this is all for nothing

>>4636588
We can just find him on our own with one of Betty's familiars. Asking Akiha directly will make her suspicious.

>>4636591
I feel like asking where Shiki is isn't mutually exclusive to just staying. If we ask and she brushes it off, we can still stay, if we ask and he shows up then we can get this done before we start running into problems

>>4636580
>>"I suppose we can stay the night. Will you be directing us to the guest quarters, or will one of your maids be doing the job?" (Stay the night, you can just break into the basement privately like this.)

>>4636580
>"I suppose we can stay the night. Will you be directing us to the guest quarters, or will one of your maids be doing the job?" (Stay the night, you can just break into the basement privately like this.)

>>4636597
We know Shiki is in the house. All we have to do is wait untill Akiha and maids are asleep wake Shiki up and then kill Roa.
Asking Akiha who is yandere for her brother is gonna make her keep an eye on us and impede our mission.
In any case we are going to do it tonight no matter what.

>>4636580
>"I believed you had a younger brother, did you not? Is he not going to be joining us or is he of the sort who usually stays outside of official family affairs? (Inquire about Shiki, it could be bad if he's not home yet.)

Followed by

“I have business in your basement that can’t be held off for any longer. Please make way or guide us there because this blonde woman behind me is more likely to shred through you than ask nicely.”

Seriously, Akiha and the maids run the biggest risk of fucking this up. Get them out of our way peacefully, or just make them

>>4636580
>"I suppose we can stay the night. Will you be directing us to the guest quarters, or will one of your maids be doing the job?" (Stay the night, you can just break into the basement privately like this.)
Kind of want to force the issue right away but we can always do that anyway so might be worth it to play it civil for now.

>>4636605
she's not gonna murder us for asking "hey mind if i ask about your brother?" plus she kinda can't

>>4636611
Last time we tried to interact with her brother she has attempted to do exactly that.
She is a huge brocon and she already considers us to be suspicious. Asking about her brother out of nowhere will only make things worse.

>>4636619
Well she was a child and wasn't in the best state of mind since her brother almost died and she couldn't even see him. This is a different and professional situation

>>4636580
>"I suppose we can stay the night. Will you be directing us to the guest quarters, or will one of your maids be doing the job?" (Stay the night, you can just break into the basement privately like this.)

Let's get that fourth thread with a thousand posts on the board gentlemen.

Hey, WhatIsAQM. How is your keyboard doing?
Can you type properly?
Are there gonna be more updates today?

>>4636580
>>"I suppose we can stay the night. Will you be directing us to the guest quarters, or will one of your maids be doing the job?" (Stay the night, you can just break into the basement privately like this.)

>>4636580
>"I suppose we can stay the night. Will you be directing us to the guest quarters, or will one of your maids be doing the job?" (Stay the night, you can just break into the basement privately like this.)

>>4636580
>>4636588
>>"I suppose we can stay the night. Will you be directing us to the guest quarters, or will one of your maids be doing the job?" (Stay the night, you can just break into the basement privately like this.)
Nevermind, after thinking it over and rereading, this is probably the best. We can restrain Akiha and the maids easily but that's shitty and we lose the approval of Shiki whom I want to be best bros with. We can talk to Akiha or ask about Shiki but she's vaguely starting to recognize us which isn't good and we might end up having to restrain everyone anyway. This is best case of things going smoothly

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>>4636632
I have managed to fix the 'u' key. But I'm not sure if it will remain fixed. That being said with any luck I'll get two more updates out before calling it.

40 minutes till calling.

Also, I think there might be something quite important you're forgetting.

>>4636580
>"I suppose we can stay the night. Will you be directing us to the guest quarters, or will one of your maids be doing the job?" (Stay the night, you can just break into the basement privately like this.)

>>4636649
You say forgetting but the thing is I have never played Tsukihime and I can't forget what I have never known.
Can I get a hint?

what if Shiki is with Aoko?

>>4636656
what if we're not the only visitors to the house?

>>4636649
Oh fuck. We didn't tell Ciel we're gonna kill Roa. She might get herself killed.

wait, when was SHIKI released again? He's the one that turns Satsuki to a vampire so...

>>4636654
Let's just say that there might just be a fatal flaw in your plan, depending on... a few things.

>>4636666
Wasn't Satsuki turned by Altruge? In the quest I mean.

>>4636673
Its implied she was but in Tsukihime, SHIKI turns her and i think early on, so if he's already out and about at night, then we're gonna have to run around Misaki town looking for vampires

>>4636673
No, she was turned by SHIKI, it was already happening by the time we met Shiki and Arc.
This means that Ko already let him out, and we missed the chance to kill Roa in the basement.

>>4636670
Cool I guess. Not like I can guess tho since I have 0 knowledge on how the characters are.
Can you confirm this >>4636679 ?
Who was Satsuki turned by?

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>>4636679
I thought it was obvious that in this version of the timeline, Altrouge went after Satsuki because she knew you shared a connection through having you monitored. Also Satsuki always referred to herself as your girlfriend so...

>>4636679
QM is implying that we didn't mess up yet unless we account for a few things but I don't know what, maybe we should try to charisma our way into getting the maids or Akiha into trusting us?

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I'll give you one last hint.
You need to ask somebody a question.

I really should've reread Tsukihime before this quest.

>>4636692
Sorry. I have no clue whatsoever. I hope you'll be gentle.

Wait are we positive Shiki made it home? He did go home alone and there are like 7 DAA roaming

>>4636692
its been a fucking decade since i played tsukihime.
I can't help us there.

>>4636701
Wouldn't Akiha be way more anxios if he was still not home?
He parted with us 6 hours ago.

>>4636692
Ok ok, at least answer this, is the question we need to ask Tsukihime related or Quest related?

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>>4636706
It's very much related to Tsukihime.

>>4636708
I wish I knew anything at all about Tsukihime.

Ok so all we know is that we need to ask someone a question, its Tsukihime related, and it's about Roa, I'm at a complete loss, someone who remembers Tsukihime pls help this is really hard

This is immersive storytelling.

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Alright well looks like you're staying the night.
...
Excellent.

>>4636719
My choice of putting a laughing image of Roa on my post isn't directly related to the question, by the way.

>>4636726
I was referencing the fact that we're trying to recall barely remembered Tsukihime plot while playing a character that hasn't read the VN in at least a decade.

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>>4636733
Ha!
Yeah, I see it now.

>>4636737
I shoulda studied, now i failed the vampire exam

So I have been reading the wiki and apparently Roa posesses Shiki in some routes. Is that what you are refering to QM?
Well in any case I give up. Not like I can figure it out without ever playing the game.
Time for another failure I suppose.

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>>4636741
I'm not giving anything else away.

Wait does this have to do with Kohaku drugging Shiki?

>>4636774
it might, or iirc there was something with someone else important having to do with the twins

>>4636784
he can rampage if he's drugged and walks around which is gonna fuck us over

>>4636790
Is that really that big of a deal?
Most of our group could easily subdue him.

>>4636795
His ability is pretty broken and when he slips into his split personality, he becomes a great fighter, unless you're a servant and/or you know he's coming, you're gonna die

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>>4636799
Don't worry, if you can't figure it out, it won't become impossible.

>>4636806
When will there be more Servant SoL and chances to get points and make real progress with people?

>>4636806
oh boy, i sure hope this don't need a dice roll.

Is this about Kishima Kouma coming tomorrow?
That could fuck with Shiki really badly.

>>4636817
Kishima just wants to fight someone strong.
Dude will probably try to 1v1 arcueid.

>>4636817
He's chilling in the mountains and doesn't make an appearance at all in Tsukihime

>>4636809
>make real progress with people?
Yes.

>>4636579
>>Arcueid, Satsuki and Sakura all following you uncomfortably close behind you
I genuinely didn't think we could win over Arc if i'm being honest with you guys, I thought we were just gonna be stuck doing what she says for 2 days

You'd be a fool to turn down the opportunity to stay in the mansion with absolutely no real suspicion on the part of Akiha or Kohaku. "I suppose we can stay the night. Will you be directing us to the guest quarters, or will one of your maids be doing the job?" Akiha seems to be relieved that you aren't going to push the issue. Seems that the idea of all that cash influx into Misaki Town is one that she knows would not only benefit the entire town and the prosperity of the Tohno clan itself, but if she somehow managed to mess up this meeting, the branch families would probably end up calling for her head and there would be conflict. For some reason, you feel like you're forgetting something really important about the branch families though, hmmph.

"Kohaku will be the one escorting you to your rooms." The amber-eyed maid makes her presence clear to your group, remaining silent as she does so. You kind of feel bad for imposing on this household so much, Kohaku is clearly worried by the sudden intrusion of one of Japan's most powerful people for seemingly no reason, and with such a strange looking group of people with him too. You aren't entirely sure just how aware the people in this house are when it comes to the strength of the people accompanying you, but Avenger, Saber, Lugh and Arcueid all seem to project an atmosphere of strength as they currently are. Of course, there's a natural unerring sense of danger that seems to lurk around Sakura, Satsuki and Betty too, but it's more of a sense of unease instead of the feeling of raw power that those four seem to give off. "Hisui, you may return to your duties." Akiha dismisses the two maids. "I look forward to discussing this matter with you in the morning, formal introductions shall be done then." Akiha then politely bows as you are lead off deeper into the mansion by Kohaku.

The girl leading you through the halls of the mansion remains mostly silent, and you start to feel bad about not doing more to try to help her despite potentially having the power to aid her. You never really spared much of a thought for the poor maid in all this time, you were always too preoccupied with other things. But, you aren't Shirou. You aren't going to let the fact that you simply can't save absolutely everyone that exists tear you apart, who knows what might have ended up happening in the Tohno Mansion if you tried to intervene and spare Kohaku from her suffering? Would killing Roa even have been a possibility if you had intervened? You can't be sure.

Eventually, Kohaku finishes leading the entourage into a hallway with eight rooms in total. A quick headcount of course reveals that there are actually thirteen of you. "Uhm... are any of you happy to share a room... and uhm... a bed?" The deceptive but cheerful maid asks, her voice lacking any sort of confidence as she realizes that there's not nearly enough guest rooms to accommodate thirteen people. This could be something of a problem. Just what was Akiha thinking? Could there perhaps be more guest rooms that Kohaku is keeping secret in order to make Akiha look incompetent? While it shouldn't actually matter, seeing as you don't actually have the slightest intention of actually going to sleep.

>Well, looks like you've got no choice. You'll just have to share a room with... (Which one of your allies?)
>You don't even think most of your allies even need to sleep. You'll just take a room by yourself.
>Call Kohaku out on there not being enough guest rooms.
>Write-in...

>>4636819
The sub-families are sending their representatives tomorrow, and Kishima will be one of them right?
Shiki may turn into Nanaya again if he sees him, since he's literally an incarnation of death to Shiki.

>>4636827
>>Well, looks like you've got no choice. You'll just have to share a room with... (Which one of your allies?)
Betty of course. We need her to create familiars to find Shiki and keep an eye on Akiha and maids.

>>4636827
I think I may have got the numbers here wrong. I put thirteen where I may have meant fourteen.
I might have missed one of the maids.

>>4636827
>>Well, looks like you've got no choice. You'll just have to share a room with...
Shirou, partly because he's my best bud and partly because he's the only person we can share a room with without being murdered in our sleep

>>4636827
>>You don't even think most of your allies even need to sleep. You'll just take a room by yourself.

>>4636829
ah, so just gonna tick the difficulty up a bit more then

>>4636827
Share a bed with illya or sakura

>>4636827
>>Well, looks like you've got no choice. You'll just have to share a room with... (Which one of your allies?)
Shirou

Come on guys. We promised that we are not gonna abandon Betty less than 10 minutes ago and you are already going to break that promise.

>>4636827
>>Well, looks like you've got no choice. You'll just have to share a room with... (Which one of your allies?)
Betty. We promised not to leave her.

>>4636827
>Well, looks like you've got no choice. You'll just have to share a room with... (Betty)
We did promise, and it makes sense to group masters and servants together anyways.

>>4636858
how is sleeping in another room abandoning her? Also, again, I don't wanna die and our love interests started glaring at us when we hugged her

>>4636827
>Well, looks like you've got no choice. You'll just have to share a room with... (Which one of your allies?)
Rin nothing can go wrong with sharing a room with your nemesis.

>>4636827
>>Well, looks like you've got no choice. You'll just have to share a room with... (Arcueid)
We should probably share our plans and intel just in case we are still in probation.

>>4636827
>Well, looks like you've got no choice. You'll just have to share a room with... (Which one of your allies?)
Betty, its the most neutral choice and the girl seems to want to be close to us.
Or shirou, because it would be funny.

>>4636846
Well if we kill SHIKI tonight then Akiha won't have to share her life-force with Shiki, so her and Shiki won't be weakened anymore, and when Shiki sees Kouma we'll have a full powered Nanaya assassin near several strong people that may look like threats to him, notably Arc and Satsuki, maybe Lugh.
Kouhaku could also drug Shiki and cause some weirdness from that too.
Am I forgetting something here? I'm pretty sure this covers how it would effect Shiki.
The question of whether he may be able to kill servants might finally be conclusively answered.

38 minute call warning.

>>4636862
Have you ever interacted with children anon?
They are in general less logical and more emotional than adults are.
Even if we are going to be separated for just a short time she still could see it as us breaking the promise. Because she is a child.
Our self-proclaimed love interests are all adults. I am sure they can handle us indulging a child's wish.

>>4636827
>>Well, looks like you've got no choice. You'll just have to share a room with... (Which one of your allies?)
Betty

>>4636827
>Well, looks like you've got no choice. You'll just have to share a room with... (Which one of your allies?)
Shirou

I didn't realise we still had this many shiroufans left.

>>4636903
Sad ain't it

>>4636904
It's not that I am complaining I am just surprised.
I thought they all left when we didn't run after Kerry.

>>4636827
>>Well, looks like you've got no choice. You'll just have to share a room with... (Which one of your allies?)
Betty I guess. I don't want to start a death battle between our ladies. Besides she is our servant.

>>4636906
Wasn't there a huge discussion when we thought Saber got Blacked?

>>4636911
What?

>>4636827
>>Well, looks like you've got no choice. You'll just have to share a room with... (Which one of your allies?)
Betty for sure

>>4636912
I mean when we saw Salter and thought Shirou was dead. That time the term "Shiroufag" got thrown around a bit.

>>4636912
when we were worried there's only one Saber and she got corrupted because we heard of alter first

>>4636915
>>4636918
Lolita thanks for clarifying

>>4636915
fortunately it turned out seeing Illya and Medea first was the right call

>>4636922
>getting Avenger captured was the right call.

>>4636906
Oh, there was also the time when we told Illya about kerry and there was a vote over if Shirou or Shinji goes after her when she gets sad.
>>4636925
That was more of Avenger's fault than ours.

>>4636928
Shinji won that one right?

>>4636931
Yep. It's what I voted for but people got really heated about it for whatever reason.

>>4636827

>Well, looks like you've got no choice. You'll just have to share a room with... (Which one of your allies?)
Betty

It's for the best.

Betty
>>4636837
>>4636860
>>4636861
>>4636874 (Or)
>>4636891
>>4636908
>>4636913
>>4636933

Shirou
>>4636842
>>4636852
>>4636874 (Or)
>>4636893

Alone.
>>4636845

Illya or Sakura
>>4636848

Rin
>>4636863

Arcueid
>>4636866

Huh, alright.

>>4636940
Poor Sacchin. Who will comfort her?

>>4636940
We are not dumb enough to choose one of the girls and cause fights.
Honestly if it werent for that i would vote for sleeping with illya.

>>4636944
Are we going to actually sleep or are we going to be playing with Betty's familiars?

We should definitely have some of them stand watch so we don't get massacred in our sleep.

>>4636947
Indeed.

>>4636947
Betty should make some invisible flying familiars.
We should send one to find Shiki, one to keep watch on Akiha and one for each maid to make sure they won't walk up on us when we are stroling through the mansion.

>>4636947
Also what do you mean "sleep"? I thought we were gonna sneak into the basement and kill that vampire.

>>4636958
It's not going to take all night.

>>4636958
Killing it will not take 8 hours.
It SHOULD not take 8 hours.

>>4636958
We're kinda running on assumption that we're going to be able to get into the basement and find there what we expect.
I'm worried there will be traps, more hostages and more vampires than we bargained for. At least there should be no excess of manakas this time.

By the way do we even need Shiki to kill Roa?
Can't we just make something like Absolute Death Sword with our truth magic?

>>4636976
Possibly, but if we have the guy right here we might as well stick to what works.

>>4636976
Alaya/Gaia might consider that as hax of too high caliber and boot us out of reality

>>4636987
We should get around doing that to them sometime in the far future.
See how they like it.

>>4636987
Didn't we make something like this to kill that demon that jumped out of Touko's body?

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>>4636992
That was just a manifested blade of pure truth.
It was more of a spur of the moment thing for you, but if you want to know the details of it, you can always ask Shirou, he's the expert on all matters relating to sharp and pointy things.

"Hmmph, It's no matter. Betty, as my Servant, shall be sleeping in my room." Somehow, it feels like it's the safest possible option you could take here. You get the feeling that a careless choice would've potentially ended with the destruction of the entirety of Misaki Town

"Servant?" Kohaku echoes your word, but simply shrugs before walking away, satisfied that she's done her duty. About what you expected from somebody without any magical knowledge to react with anyway. After all, she might know a few things about those with Oni-blood like Akiha, but... you suddenly find yourself immensely relieved that Shuten isn't actually with you right now. Sure, it's a terrible thing that she's trapped in stasis by Manaka, but you haven't the faintest idea how the most powerful Oni of all would cause the mixed-blood families that live in Misaki city to react. Probably negatively, honestly. Though in truth, you can't really imagine Shuten caring all that much about them no matter what happens. You remind yourself just what it is you're fighting for as the faces of all your captured allies appear in your mind. Medea... Monica... You're going to save them.

Saber and Shirou pair up to stay in the same room together, wow! Who could've predicted that would happen? A rather put-out looking Sakura ends up staying with a pleased looking Rin. Illya ends up staying with Leysritt and Avenger, with Avenger taking spiritual form in order to watch for threats. Sella and Giselle also end up sharing. Satsuki ends up in a room by herself, as does Touko. Of course, the most bizarre room-sharing that you didn't expect is Lugh and Arcueid deciding to share a room.

You all end up going into your own rooms for a moment in order to familiarize yourselves with them. Of course, it's only about nine-thirty PM, so really, it's not like you actually have to go to bed right now. Of course, it might be considered a little bit rude if you were to just start wandering about the halls of the Tohno Mansion completely unaccompanied by a maid or resident. But you do still need to find Shiki to tell him the plan. Most of your allies aren't really even aware of what you're actually doing in the mansion though, only Satsuki and Arcueid are really properly aware of what you're actually doing in the mansion. That's honestly fine, you don't really think you're going to need to get anybody else involved in this. After all, if SHIKI is still imprisoned in the dungeon, then killing him (and as a direct consequence, the soul of the Dead Apostle trying to hijack his body) will be as simple as having Shiki stab him in a Death Point.

Still, you want to wait until it's at least past midnight before you make any moves against the dead apostle that might be underneath the mansion. You aren't exactly certain that SHIKI will still even be in the mansion, but there don't seem to have been any missing person cases or attacks other than the attack done on Satsuki herself. You wonder if she's worried about her parents right now. Betty immediately jumps on the four poster face first, landing on the soft bed happily before rolling on her back. She seems to have more energy than usual right now, probably as a result of practically falling asleep for an entire damn day, maybe.

You need to think of a way to kill some time before you make your move against the Dead Apostle in the basement...

>Have Betty create some familiars for use in scouting the house. It's probably the best way to find Shiki.
>It probably wouldn't hurt to go see one of your allies to talk about something would it? (Who and what?)
>You can probably just take a walk around the Tohno mansion with Betty right now if you want. It ought to be perfectly safe with Betty at your side.
>Write-in...

>>4637015
>>Have Betty create some familiars for use in scouting the house. It's probably the best way to find Shiki.
That's what we need.

>>4637015
>Have Betty create some familiars for use in scouting the house. It's probably the best way to find Shiki.

>>4637015
You can probably just take a walk around the Tohno mansion with Betty right now if you want. It ought to be perfectly safe with Betty at your side.

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There was actually another hint hidden in this update.

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Rolled 1 (1d2)

Also please ignore this flipping coin.

>>4637029
Whatever that hint was it went right over my head.
You are not going to fuck us over by letting SHIKI out right?

We still haven't checked on Satsuki's parents, I been years since anything turkeyhandle related so is this an issue? She might have an emotional blip.

Also, two elementals are sharing a room.

>>4637048
Also haven't checked on Shiki himself

>>4637015
>>Have Betty create some familiars for use in scouting the house. It's probably the best way to find Shiki.
Send some to the basement just to be sure.
>>4637048
I bet they rarely meet other elementals.
>>4637050
That's what Betty's familiars are for.

>>4637029
I have a feeling that this is going to be one of those QM Moments(tm) where you feel as though you have left a relatively simple mystery to figure out which turns out to be utterly incomprehensible to the players

>>4637053
The familiars are a solid plan, but continuing to link Shinji's brain into Azathoth spawn seems completely retarded. Any other quest his brain would be soup by now. May be best to have Betty relay information unless control over them is absolutely needed.

>>4637056
This quest is just a ploy for Whatis to find his new intellectual rival. I swear this shit will turn into an ARG one day

>>4637056
Just like Betty being saved from Manaka if we didn't pick her was completely obvious. So obvious that not a single person thought of that.
>>4637058
We have a huge mental resistance to this eldritch shit. Nothing is gonna happen to us as long as we are careful. Also Medea was using Betty's familiar with no problems.

>>4637029
...Is Shiki (Nanaya) even in the Tohno mansion right now?

>>4637076
Maybe.
But that's not the problem.
Of course, if he's in the mansion or not will be a problem, but that's not the problem.
You're getting warmer, at least.

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Well, if you do end up figuring it out, I'll let Shinji remember it too.
Goodnight for now though.

>>4637083
Does only one of us have to figure it out for shit to change?

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>>4637088
Correct!

>>4637072
Yeah, my least favorite part of the quest is when he smugs it up about us not picking the optimal choice that only makes sense in his head after the full context for everything at play has been exhaustively explained.

>>4637083
oh hey btw, is Akiha still feeding off her maids?
How ceil doing?
where the fuck is NVSQVR?

>>4637080
I already guessed that Roa/SHIKI is already let loose and roaming around so its not that either

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>>4637094
That's why I'm trying to give you as much opportunity as I can to figure it out this time. I don't actually enjoy writing about failure, you know?
It's something genuinely major that both the players and as a result Shinji have managed to overlook.

Don't worry though, it's not like you were at a complete loss in picking to save Betty from Manaka. It did raise her affection points as well as an important relationship value with somebody else. So it's really not like you picked a completely terrible option there.
I'm sorry if you feel like I'm being rude when I do that.

Is it whether Shiki will even be able to see death points?
It was a skill he only developed after using the MEoDP for several days.

>>4637113
it originally had to do with us asking something to a certain someone before so I don't think its that, plus its not quest related, this is Tsukihime related

>>4637117
It took Shiki's encounter with NRVNQSR to be able to see death points properly, so he still only sees lines atm.

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>>4637113
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf1DkBQRQj4

Yes. If you don't have a Shiki capable of utilizing the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception to see Death Points that means you're incapable of having him kill Roa off for real! Meaning that any attempts to currently kill Roa would just end with him reincarnating once again!
It also means that Arcueid won't recover her power if you do end up using a more standard method to kill Roa!
Good job, anon!
I was kind of hoping that it would go on for a little longer than that, but oh well.
Of course, now you're going to need to think of a way around that if you want to actually be rid of Roa for good.
There is a way, of course, this isn't a no-win situation.

>>4637117
But... that is related to Tsukihime.

>>4637125
ik i was listing out the clues we know so we can put our heads together

>>4637123
Isn't the whole point of this quest to metagame hard? I enjoy the quest with my limited knowledge but I don't get salty when I miss shit, because I knew what I was getting into.

>>4637125
wait what the fuck were we supposed to ask then if that was the answer?

>>4637125
What options do we have?
We either take Shiki's glasses until he can see properly or make deathsword with truth.

>>4637132
You were simply supposed to ask Shiki if he could see Death Points yet.
Sometimes, the most dangerous mistakes are the most simple to overlook, both for yourself and Shinji.

>>4637125
Can Sakura nullify his existence?

>>4637135
What's the danger of that though?
We would figure it out the moment we told Shiki to stab Roa in a death point.
>>4637138
If she vores him maybe.

>>4637138
Shinji did say a soul wouldn't be able to escape the imaginary dimension so that might be it.

>>4637140
>>4637141
Does this method have no chance of Roa just taking her over and or Arc not getting part of her vamp juice back?

>>4637142
I don't think he could take her over but arc losing her power does seem likely.

>>4637138
If we really try to go for it, we can try to finish our Reality Marble right now and attempt to erase him from existence, we might even be able to do it now with effort

>>4637138
seems like a bad idea since Roa is capable of possessing people and Sakura is one bad day away from turning into Dark Sakura, giving Roa the slightest chance for that much power puts us and Misaki town in a dangerous situation

>>4637138
That's up for you all to figure out.
There are in truth, a few methods available to you that would allow you to permanently kill Roa, along with one ultimate method that would give an extra reward.

>>4637142
I believe he needs victim's blood to take them over.

According to the wiki, "Only something with the concept of "rejection of reincarnation" like the Seventh Holy Scripture can disperse his soul into nothingness and stop his it from resurrecting, or it must be destroyed completely, such as by having his point of death pierced by a Mystic Eyes of Death Perception user."

>>4637149
>>4637142
Scratch that. He needs blood of someone from the victim's bloodline.

>>4637148
I want to be spoonfed though.

>>4637147
RM probably ideal, but currently running low on mana though. I'm just wondering if there's a true death style NP that's actually traceable by Shirou with Touko's memory transfer assistance. E.g. Shinji would know of Benkei's delete from reincarnation cycle effect but that's not a bladed weapon. Douman also highjacked the reincarnation cycle and notSeimei was able to just force enlightenment on him to no sell his infinite resurrections.

>>4637155
we're not actually, we're halfway full now after we rested in the movie theater, if we wait until midnight we might be at or nearing 100%

>>4637148
...I recognize that text color. That's the same color as the one you used when Shinji said his Reality Marble aria
Truth is the ultimate method im assuming.

>>4637158
He even said "in truth" I guess that's the hint.

>>4637158
ok so we go into the basement, probably snatch Shiki so we can help him deal with certain things and then go all out and try to erase Roa's immortality connection with Truth

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You guys honest to god have no idea how much fun I'm going to have over the next few updates I swear.
But now I'm actually going to bed.
For real.
Good night, anons!

>>4637151
We can cure wounds caused by it, not reason why can't we do the opposite to kill him.

truth his magic away.
it would maybe even help us make our skill with truth even better

Would shirou stabbing him with rule breaker cause anything

>>4637206
It's not about killing him, it's about not allowing him to reincarnate anymore

>>4637212
No, I'm pretty sure it only works on magical "effects", otherwise it would instakill any spirit or elemental.

>>4637217
Just make it truth that he can't reincarnate.

World it be possible to purge Roa from SHIKI as we purged worms from Sakura?

>>4637391
Speaking of Sakura, how about using her pocket dimension to dispose of him?

>>4637391
Shinji can't use individuals as concepts, so you would have think of a concept that would only kill Roa permanently.

>>4637396
how about a we Truth shiki into having his full eye powers, then we assist him stabbing a death point with Truth powers

>>4637409
That sounds very convoluted and doesn't have any advantage over using one thing (MEoDP) or the other (Truth)

>>4637414
if Shiki kills him, the maids and Arc would be super happy and relieved, thanks to -Shiki-

I'm not trying to acquire more girls, even if Arc is a good waifu

>>4637423
I don't think more or less waifus for us should be as big of a concern as it is now.

>>4637396
Would Sunlight work? That should be easy enough to conceptualize. But it might just sear the body and not even touch the vampire soul.

Perhaps we could replicate effect of Ciel's gun by truthing reincarnation into being impossible?

Or getting Roa's soul to somehow relinquish hold of mortal world, embrace non-existence as an eternal peace.

>>4637423
Why would we tell maids about our involvement?
As far as we concerned we spend the whole night in our room and never heard about Tohno family having another child.
As for Arc it's already too late. She has target locked.
>>4637437
Why would we do any of that? That sounds extremely convoluted.
If that doesn't work and Roa survives that's a huge fuck up. What would we even gain from killing Roa without killing SHIKI?
We need something simple and effective like enforcing concept of "death" or "destruction" on his body and soul.

>>4637500
Destroying Roa is not "convoluted", it's the point of this operation.
Doing so without killing SHIKI might yield benefits but the important part is ensuring the vampire doesn't come back.

>>4637520
Sunlight. Ciel' gun. Some soul nonsense. Why use any of that and risk failure when there are much simpler sure-fire concepts at our disposal?
Overcomplicating our plan for no reason is a good way to fuck it up.

>>4637522
So what is your plan? Walk up to SHIKI and
>Manifest concept of destruction to obliterate the entity utterly
?

>>4637523
Yes. Or any other simple and effective concept. I personally believe the concept of "final death" would work better but I am open to ideas.
I mean seriously how would we even replicate Ciel's gun effect?

Only four people actually voted.
Huh ok.

>>4637527
Are we actually able to properly conceptualize final death though? I mean, doing it properly would amount to replicating Ciel's gun.

I'm concerned with two things:
1. that using Truth to delete a person will provoke response from the world because it's different from deleting a demon that is an abomination in itself in the first place
2. that our concept of destruction will not be well thought out enough to break the cycle, because death of body may be straightforward, death of the vampire soul less so.

>>4637532
>Are we actually able to properly conceptualize final death though?
We won't know until we try it. It seems simple enough.
"Death after which there is nothing. No afterlife, no reincarnation and no ressurection. A complete and utter end for the very essence of persons existence."
>provoke response from the world
See above. We won't know it until we actually attempt to do it. Personally I feel that we should be good. The only time we were hit by the Alaya was when we created a full blown goddess.

"Betty, I want you to make a few creatures to scout out the house, the greater their ability at hiding and remaining undetected they are, the better. But this time, I'd like you to simply relay to me that they are capable of seeing. I don't need to see everything going on, this time." You'd rather avoid being given a headache again. A lot of Betty's abilities seem to be able to give you a headache, and while Medea didn't seem to be that bothered by the usage of one of Betty's familiars, it's not like you actually got to ask her about her experiences with using one of them.

"Ok, Master!" Betty sits up and immediately sets about create half a dozen small flying creatures that flit off in every which direction. You really hope that Arcueid or Lugh aren't wandering about the house right now, otherwise they might just destroy one of the creatures. You don't think that even something like Presence Concealment would be able to fool the natural senses of an Incarnated Elemental, perhaps if a Servant was capable of literally hiding themselves away from the world itself it might be possible, but that level of stealth is practically impossible to reach, even for Servants. Even the act of becoming one with the World might not actually be able to trick Elementals like them. Now that you think about it, wouldn't remaining undetected also be difficult against somebody like Shiki? It's not like hiding your body would hide your death lines too.

The creatures Betty makes this time are basically just eyeballs with the wings of bats, though they do seem to have some form of vestigial legs that have been transformed into tiny tendrils. They quickly leave the room in order to scout out the house. "Alright, I mostly want you to find out whether or not you can find the basement and if the basement is open, whether there is a prisoner is inside it. I also want you to find a boy about my age, who usually wears hs school uniform and spectacles. It's not very late, so he should still be up."

"Ok, master!" Betty smiles happily as she commands her small squadron of bizarre bat creatures to spy on the Tohno Mansion. You spend a few minutes waiting for Betty to finish her scouting, and it doesn't take long before the bat creatures with the exception of one of them return to the room.

"What happened to the sixth one?" There was definitely one more of them when they set out.

"It got a little too curious. The boy with the spectacles saw it and cut it in half with a knife." Wow, rude. You're going to have to yell at Shiki about killing your Servant's familiars. The creatures meld into Betty's shadow, and you are reminded that there should actually still be one of her familiars in your own shadow, right? Or could it have possibly ended up destroyed as well? You would've expected it to have taken action already, though you suppose it might just be waiting for something. "One of them found an entrance to what looked like a basement too, but it wasn't strong enough to break through the lock on the door." Your Servant frowns.

"That's something of a shame. Ah well, the fact that the door has a lock on it is evidence enough that it's trying to ether keep people out, or keep something in. Sorry about the one that got killed though." Betty seems a little happier by the fact that you've somewhat started to care about the fates of the creatures she creates. You don't exactly know what happens to the creatures when she is finished with them. Can she unmake them to return the magical energy, or does she just store them all in some sort of pocket dimension? "Oh, and Betty. Those uh... shadow bugs you gave me, do I still have them on me? I've been through quite a bit recently, and I'm worried that I might've lost them.

"Huh?" Betty seems to closely inspect your shadow, and you can't actually see anything as she does so. "That's strange, they're all gone..." Oh. How did that end up happening? You suppose that it could really have been a result of one of three things. First off being the time you were dragged into Sakura's inner world, second being Tamamo's binding of you, and third being your imprisonment in that magical energy draining cell. All three of which would have the ability to disperse and destroy a creature like the bugs hidden in your shadow. Betty frowns again. "I guess I'll just have to make you some more..." Before you can say anything, you rapidly find yourself with another small horde of bugs hiding in your shadow. Well, it's not like they were much use last time, all things considered. But they might be useful against some of the threats you're facing here.

You've spent an hour and a half already, mostly spent waiting for Betty to finish scouting, and you begin to think of just how you're going to go about killing Roa if he's actually in the basement. But then something occurs to you that you've been overlooking. Your ability to actually kill Roa off for good right now might not actually be something that exists. Shiki at the start of Tsukihime... he can't strike Points of Death, now, you suppose that might've changed too, but believing that to be the case is a guaranteed way to get you in deep trouble! No, you might need to end up thinking of an alternate solution to your Roa problem.

>Could Sakura perhaps deal with Roa now? Her inner world might just hold the key to preventing his reincarnation.
>Looks like it's time to force Shiki to see Death Points. A few hours of training ought to do the trick.
>It's all up to you, the wielder of Truth. You have no doubt that your power could be used to put an end to his reincarnating. But how...?
>Maybe you'll just have to settle for killing Roa's physical form right now.
>Write-in...

>>4637576
>>It's all up to you, the wielder of Truth. You have no doubt that your power could be used to put an end to his reincarnating. But how...?
Let's do it. Force the concept of "True Death" on his body and soul.

>>4637576
>It's all up to you, the wielder of Truth. You have no doubt that your power could be used to put an end to his reincarnating. But how...?
Perfect situation for us, since our ability needs the receiver to not put up resistance while we work.

>>4637576
>Could Sakura perhaps deal with Roa now? Her inner world might just hold the key to preventing his reincarnation.

If we forced Death unto Roa without it being a permakill due to reincarnation bullshit, would we simply Diavolo the shit out of him?

>>4637581
I thought you guys didn't want to use Sakura because of fear of Roa posessing her.

>>4637576
>>4637578
Supporting true death. That should definetely end him for good right?

>>4637576
Let's see... Sakura's dimension should be able to contain and crush the thing, but doing so might also expose her to Roa. Would he be able to do anything from within? I don't think I'm willing to take the risk... then again, maybe even Sakura restraining SHIKI as he dies might do the trick?

Using Truth might be the best option if we could word it properly. I'm not confident simply destroying is going to cut it.

Working with Shiki and maybe supporting him with our powers is probably safest bet at obtaining a reliable method of ending the bastard for good, but would require his cooperation and put us at risk of being walked in on.

Is it too late to confer with Touko?

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>>4637587
It's never too late to confer with Touko.
If you want to confer with an ally, simply make a Write-in.

>>4637576
anyways I think I default to
>Looks like it's time to force Shiki to see Death Points. A few hours of training ought to do the trick.
since if it doesn't work we'd still be able to use the truth, unless we expend too much power on unlocking his ability.

>>4637587
>Is it too late to confer with Touko?
That's a good idea. Maybe ask her how she feels and what she was up to after her "death"

thirty minutes before call.
Let's pick up the pace.

>>4637576
>>4637590

In that case I'll switch >>4637591 to
>Consult the matter with Touko

Kinda surprised there is so much doubt considering the fact that we already killed a creature with no concept of death with our truth magic.
This time we just have to make a conscious effort and kill the guy.

>>4637576
>>Write-in...
Consult with Touko.
I'll vote for that I guess. Would be nice if more people voted instead of typing the same shit over and over.

>>4637576
>Consult with Touko
Although I'm thinking using truth will be the end game for this situation.

>>4637600
Me too honestly. One way or another we are going to kill him with Truth, but it's better to be safe than sorry. Maybe Touko will advise us on how to better use our truth magic.
>>4637594
If that's a good idea why didn't you vote for it?

From my read on it, we need to complete our marble so we can apply a permeant concept of Rejection of Reincarnation.

>>4637576
Supporting >>4637600
>>4637601
Done.

>>4637607
Good job. Now we don't have a tie.>>4637605

>>4637600
Support

>>4637600
+1

>>4637576
Supporting >>4637600
I think we have solid a range of options here.
1. Create something that can kill everything forever or outright annihilate souls
2. Use Truth to remove his Reincarnation ability and just kill him normally
3. Alter him in someway which will fuck him over like Anon mentioned possibilty of Diavolo`s Death Loop or something similar like making Root really hate him and reject instead of letting him do Reincarnations
Maybe we can even extract Arcs power he has stolen or test on him if we can reverse vampirefication.

You're not alone. You don't have to make all these choices alone. You have friends, allies and a teacher you can rely on to give you guidance. That teacher might just be one of the most knowledgeable people on the entire planet about the fundamental mechanics of how the world actually works. Of course, there are people with access to more raw information than Touko, but there's something of a difference between having access to a reserve of information and truly understanding it like Touko can. Touko is knowledgeable enough to even replicate the power belonging to the Norse gods of old to some degree. Not through any sort of natural born gift inherent only to her, but simply through her magecraft ability. Never mind the fact that she was already capable of such things nearly twenty years ago! It might be your bias as her student talking, but Touko may very well be the most powerful wielder of modern magecraft on the entire planet. She's the sort of person that if she put her mind to it, she could probably take over the entire planet from the shadows.

"Alright, stay here for a second, Betty. I'm going to go see Touko, I need to talk to her about a few things before I go through with my... plan." Really, you haven't put that much thought into the plan other than to kill Roa before he completely takes over SHIKI. You kind of feel bad about what happened to SHIKI, but he wasn't only bad simply because of Roa's influence, it's that oni-blood of his too. Not to mention almost a decade of near solitary imprisonment would lead practically any man into insanity anyway. You wonder just how Shuten is able to be so completely nonchalant about life and danger when she has the most powerful blood of any oni running through her veins. Is it an issue only with people with massively diluted oni-blood? Maybe something like those with more concentrated Oni-Blood being able to maintain their sanity? You're really not an expert on Oni though, outside of a few things, of course.

Betty seems a little disappointed by your sudden decision to leave the room, but she accepts it as necessary. While it might be safer to walk the halls with a Servant at your side, there's genuinely no point in such paranoia right now. After all, the only people in this house who could possibly be a threat to you right now can be counted on one hand. The first is Akiha, and with your level of skill, defeating her would be slightly easier than defeating Rin. Of course, you haven't actually fought with Rin in a true duel or even fought with her much outside of dispelling a few angry spells occasionally, but that's really only because you'd defeat her with relative ease and you don't want to completely crush her spirit in doing so. There's also Shiki himself, and he's really only a threat if you let him become one, even so, you don't think that even the rudimentary Nanaya skills he remembers from his childhood would make him more than a nuisance if he decided to attack you for some reason. Then there's SHIKI or perhaps Roa, depending on whether or not he's been taken over completely yet. Honestly? Roa if he was at his full strength would be an absolute nightmare of an opponent, but after only just taking control of his host body? Ha! He can't even remember how to use magecraft, never mind something like his Reality Marble. It would probably be harder for you to beat Satsuki in a straight up fight than it would be to beat Roa! That's actually kind of a funny thought.

You are thankfully uninterrupted by anybody as you walk into the corridor. You can go see Shiki later with Arcueid, but for now, you're definitely going to need to get some private time with your teacher. You knock on Touko's door, and hear her voice call out "Come in." Her voice is strangely softer than usual.

Touko is reading a book of some variety as you enter the room, and puts it aside when you close the door. "Apologies for the intrusion, Shishou, but-" You decide it might be best to start with an apology first.

"Do you really think I'd be worried about something like that? Don't think I'm ever going to forget what you did for me, Wakame-kun." Your teacher looks you in the eyes as she speaks. "You saved me from a fate worse than death, trapped in between life and death, unable to die, yet unable to take action. All the while the pain from the wound in my heart spread through every part of my body on loop." You remain silent. "Come here, Wakame-kun." You approach your teacher and as you do, she unexpectedly gets up to hug you. You let out a noise of confusion. "Thank you." Touko remains hugging you for a while after you return her hug, but eventually it comes to a natural end. "So, what do you need?"

"I need to discuss methods of which I could use to permanently kill the Dead Apostle Roa." Touko raises an eyebrow, but lets you continue your request. "See, I kind of made a promise to Arcueid, but I realize that the method I was going to use might not work."

"What... method were you originally planning on using?" Touko seems to already be deep in thought of methods to kill Roa herself. Probably a mental exercise or something.

You shrug. "It's a long story but the short of it is that the younger brother of the head of this household is actually in possession of the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and is capable of seeing the lines of death on everything." Touko raises a hand to her chin in thought as you carry on. "Of course, this alone isn't enough to put an end to Roa's reincarnation, as I don't think he can see the true points of death on an object or being yet." It's a damn pain in the ass that you might end up screwing yourself over with trying to complete things too quickly.

"Hmmph, that is an issue. What other methods were you thinking of using?" Touko sounds intrigued by the topic of the conversation.

"Well, for one, I was wondering if my sister might be able to aid me. I kind of... permanently upgraded her ability to manipulate Imaginary Numbers through altering her inner world, giving her something of an untapped mastery of the concept of nullification, I was wondering if I could have her use her magecraft to not only consume Roa's physical body within a Pocket Dimension, but to also consume his soul completely and utterly, preventing him from reincarnating through a complete destruction of the soul." Touko remains silent as you reveal just what you did to Sakura, you can't tell just what she's thinking of as you talk about Sakura's newfound strength.

"Well, that might just work, though it really all depends on your sister's ability to consume the soul of a centuries old reincarnating parasite like Roa. Do you think she has the aptitude?" A flash of the scene of Gilgamesh managing to get himself eaten by Sakura appears in your mind and you just slowly nod. "Well, there's your answer. Do you have any methods though? I find myself interested in just what else my ace student has come up with."

"Well... my other idea was through the usage of my own ability. If I were to manipulate the Truth behind Roa somehow, I feel like I might be able to deal with him for good. Maybe through manifesting the concept of 'True Death' onto a sword or something?" In truth you aren't really sure if that would even work. With all your practice, you never truly pushed yourself to the limits of your powers on Touko's instructions, wouldn't want to provoke a response from Alaya or Gaia. It's an ability that is anathema to existence, after all, so careless use could bring you attention from all sorts of entities. As it is, even the relatively restricted usage of your ability seems to have gotten you a lot of unwanted attention.

"A sword of True Death? Hmmph, maybe, but if you're willing to go to that extent, you could likely just manipulate the core of Roa's being. If my theory about his reincarnation magecraft is correct, it means that there should be a portion of his soul that is connected to the Root itself, not the vague weak connection all life has, but a solid connection that you could directly destroy or... well, do practically whatever you felt like doing. I've got to say that even I'm not able to tell what might happen if you were to do something like that. For all I know, it might be possible to cause the Root itself to reject the existence of Roa entirely, perfectly erasing his entire personal history.

"His... entire personal history?" You don't really know what that means, it's not something that's ever really come up with Touko, discussing the Root itself.

"That's right. It's... hmmph, how should I put this. Think of the Root as if it's something like a book, the Akashic Records, if you would. If you can actually manipulate his connection to the Root itself through exploiting his own Reincarnation Magecraft against him, you would in a way be able to effectively tear out every page of the chapter titled 'Michael Roa Valdamjong' and discard them to the void. Of course, I'm not quite sure what might happen did that. Something like the negation of a cause whilst retaining the effect, I imagine." Touko shrugs, and you try to wrap your head around just what she told you. "Was that all you wanted to talk about?"

>"Yeah, thanks Touko, you're the best! I need to start planning, I think." (Choose the allies you want to bring with you to the basement.)
>"Actually, I wanted to ask you something else." (What?)
>"Yeah, but I'm gonna need to go find Shiki now."
>Write-in...

>>4637655
>Of course, I'm not quite sure what might happen did that. Something like the negation of a cause whilst retaining the effect, I imagine.
Oh boy, that may cause some fuck ups, or not.

>>4637661
Aw man, way to make me immediately realize I made a typo with
> I'm not quite sure what might happen did that
Should read " I'm not quite sure what might happen if you did that"

>>4637655
>Think of the Root as if it's something like a book, the Akashic Records
Oh. Remember when we had a dream about book in strange library and we had chosen to write in it? WhatIs mentioned that it was a big and important choice.
Maybe we can use it in similar way and just write "and then being known as Michael Roa Valdamjong died his final death".

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Does anybody actually want to...
uh, you know.
Vote?
Guys?

>>4637674
I'm trying to think how we do this without fucking the root up.
Or changing time.

>>4637655
>"Yeah, thanks Touko, you're the best! I need to start planning, I think." (Satsuki Sakura Touko Arc Shiki Betty)

>>4637674
Shhhh. thinking is hard, okay?

>>4637655
Name of the quest notwithstanding, causing a paradox would probably be unwise. Or would it?

In any case
>Thank you, Touko, you're the best! I'm really glad to count you among friends.

Then... suppose we should be able to build on what we have of our reality marble.
>I need to start planning.

Take Betty in any case, perhaps in spiritual form. Not sure if we should bring more people... maybe Arc? Sakura? Not sure about them. Will vote only for
>Betty
for now.

>>4637655
>>"Yeah, thanks Touko, you're the best! I need to start planning, I think." (Arcueid)
If it's "delete the cause, retain the effect" then everything should stay mostly the same right?

>>4637655
>>"Yeah, thanks Touko, you're the best! I need to start planning, I think." (Choose the allies you want to bring with you to the basement.)
Touko. Betty. Arcueid. Lugh.

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>>4637682
Mostly.

>>4637682
The question here is whether counter forces will take exception to having the records inconsistent like this.

One way around this could be phrasing the modification in a way that does not create retroactive issues, like >>4637671 suggested

>>4637655
>"Yeah, thanks Touko, you're the best! I need to start planning, I think." (Choose the allies you want to bring with you to the basement.)

Beo, Satsuki, Betty, Arc, Touko.

>>4637686
Or just do what Touko said, undo his connection to the Root.

>>4637685
hey... lets not change time, its not good.

>>4637682
We'll Diavolo Death Loop the fucker.

Here's what I am thinking:
Touko - to help us with the magic ritual.
Arcueid - Roa is her target
Betty - she's our servant
As for how we kill him we should just sever his connection to the root and then kill him.

>>4637655
>>4637683
Support
Close enough I guess.

>>4637682
Pretty much, except certain things Roa did will be removed from causality.
The obvious optimal play with this would be to erase him from the records to restore Arcruid to her full power, but I fear that if we did something that nice for her we'd have another Tomoe situation on our hands.

>>4637691
You'll only be altering Roa's personal history while having everyone else's remain untouched, even the events caused by Roa will still have happened.
It's not the same as true time travel, except Roa will be completely and uttery erased.
It's definitely the most "perfect" way you could kill him, and it may even have additional effects.

>>4637655
>"Yeah, thanks Touko, you're the best! I need to start planning, I think." (Choose the allies you want to bring with you to the basement.)
>Touko, Arcueid, Betty, Lugh.
Maybe we can also cheat and "emulate" Mystic Eyes of Death Perception on a specific target? Like making his whole heart a Death Point?

>>4637696
Instead of not doing nice things out of fear of being liked to much, how about we just do the sane thing and reject someones advances?

>>4637692
We need to actually kill him for Arc to regain her strenght.
>>4637696
We don't need to erase him to restore her powers. We just need to kill him. Cut him off from the root and then kill him. Should work perfectly.

>>4637698
>and it may even have additional effects.
Thats what i'm scared about.

>>4637655
>>"Yeah, thanks Touko, you're the best! I need to start planning, I think." (Choose the allies you want to bring with you to the basement.)
>Touko, Arcueid, Betty, Lugh.
>>4637688
Why would you take Satsuki?

>>4637706
He couldn't have taken Arc's power if he never existed.

>>4637707
Don't worry, these effects would probably end up being helpful for you.

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>>4637713
>probably

>>4637710
I don't want to fuck with the time. QM says side effects will be helpful but I don't trust him.

>>4637717
It's not time, it's causality. We do it every time we use Truth.

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>>4637717
>I don't trust him.

How much time until the the count?

>>4637704
>...do the sane thing and reject someones advances?
That's unlikely to be an option.

>>4637706
Not the power Roa stole from her, I'm talking about restoring her original state as a True Ancestor innocent of the temptations of being a Dead Apostle.
As it stands currently, even with Roa dead she'll still only be at 50% due to suppressing her impulses.
If Roa retroactively never corrupted her she would be at full strength without losing her sanity.

>>4637724
twenty minutes.

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>>4637725
forgot pic

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Also as another way to kill him without big dive into fundamental powers we can consider adding fatal flaw to his Reincarnations. Like getting killed in very specific way will just kill him for good. "For none of woman born Shall harm Macbeth" kind of deal.
>>4637713
Will dice be involved?

>>4637725
>If Roa retroactively never corrupted her she would be at full strength without losing her sanity.
ah
thats true.

>>4637730
Well now that depends?
Probably not though,

>>4637720
There are different levels of interference depending on how we use our magic. The level where we completely erase the person from all of time is something that I don't like.
>>4637725
>As it stands currently, even with Roa dead she'll still only be at 50% due to suppressing her impulses.
Good enough for me.
I am joking. Of course I would love for full power Arc to be on our side. I am just not sure. QM pushing us in that direction makes me think he wants to fuck us over.
>>4637730
What's with you guys and overcomplicated plans?

>>4637734
Nothing about how What runs his games makes me think he's intentionally malicious.
Hell, there's plenty of places he could have screwed us over or otherwise mislead us in Elegy of Inheritance, especially around becoming a vampire.

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>>4637655
>"Yeah, thanks Touko, you're the best! I need to start planning, I think." (Choose the allies you want to bring with you to the basement.)
Beo, touko, Arc, betty.
Also talk to arcueid about that if you erase roa existence she will return to how she was before meeting roa powerwise. Ask what she thinks of it.
And ask Betty to have some familiars taking a look at everyone including the house residents, so nobody does anything fucky wihtout we being at least aware.
Not sure of this vote, but eh.

>>4637734
You are just paranoid, the QM did just help us remember Shiki doesn't see death points yet. Our misfortune has been all our own doing so far, well, your own doing because I voted the right options.

Actually. It we erase Roa. What will happen with Ciel?
>>4637734
Just thinking about levels of interference and possible way to negate side effects.

>>4637655
>"Yeah, thanks Touko, you're the best! I need to start planning, I think." (Choose the allies you want to bring with you to the basement.)
Touko, Arc, Betty, Lugh minimum.

I don't think you guys are properly understanding what "negation of a cause whilst retaining the effect" means.
It would practically mean that while everything Roa did in his life happened, Roa himself wouldn't have existed.
Think of it like the interaction between Gae Bolg and Fragarach.
When the two effects meet, Fragarach prevents Gae Bolg from actually being used, however the effect of Gae Bolg means that the effects of Gae Bolg actually occur.

You aren't just about to rewrite seven hundred years of history entirely.

>>4637751
Fine. I'll vote for that.

(Satsuki Sakura Touko Arc Shiki Betty)
>>4637679

(Betty)
>>4637681

(Arcueid)
>>4637682

(Touko. Betty. Arcueid. Lugh.)
>>4637683
>>4637694
>>4637699
>>4637708
>>4637739
>>4637745

(Lugh, Satsuki, Betty, Arc, Touko.)
>>4637688

Touko, Betty, Arcueid and Lugh will be accompanying you on your mission to the basement.

>>4637763
>Touko, Betty, Arcueid and Lugh will be accompanying you on your mission to the basement.
That sounds weird.

>>4637751
>Twenty-seven Dead Apostle Ancestors
>Rank Extra: [EXPUNGED]

>>4637655
>"Yeah, thanks Touko, you're the best! I need to start planning, I think." (Choose the allies you want to bring with you to the basement.)
Touko, Betty, Arcueid, Lugh

>>4637767
Thanks for the new podcast to check out I guess? (Bro you realize this is /qst/ right?. Just hope you meant to post music)

>>4637765
Poor little Lugh

"Yeah! Thanks Touko! You're the best!" The woman smiles at your compliment. "I should be going now though, I need to start properly planning how I'm going to do this..." You then look up at her and give her a gentle smile. "Actually... I was thinking of asking for your help in actually killing this Dead Apostle, you're... maybe the most reliable person I know." Touko blushes for a single instant, and you think it was simply a trick of the light, as the alternative of her actually blushing would simply be impossible.

Touko seems to take a moment to adjust herself before she answers. "Of course! Even if it's not the Dead Apostle I'm after, I feel like it might be some good stress relief, good practice for when I deal with Rizo too." There's a fiendish smile on her face now. "I'm not just going to stand around and let somebody like Roa do as he pleases in my home town." Oh right! You'd almost completely forgotten that Touko came from Misaki. Well, that's useful.

"Fantastic! I'll be right back, I'm going to go tell Beo and Arcueid about what I'm planning." You smile happily at your teacher one last time before you leave the room and head towards Arcueid and Lugh's room, the door has been left ajar and you push your way into the room. There's only a single bed in the room, but it doesn't look like either of them are that bothered about it... or generally about sleeping.

"So you mean to say that he even mana- Oh, Shinji!" You overhear the beginning of a sentence as you walk into the room, but Lugh quickly notices your arrival and cuts himself off. "We were just talking about you!" Arcueid glares at Lugh who just shrugs without a care.

"Good evening Beo, Arcueid." You give the two a polite bow in greeting. Two incredibly powerful Incarnated Elementals in the same room, and somehow you end up the topic of their conversation? How does something like that even happen?

"There's no need to be so formal you know." Arcueid pouts.

Lugh chuckles. "Well, you're the princess. So I guess you'd know best." It seems that Lugh and the True Ancestor have become fast friends while you've been plotting. "Anyway, what's up, Shinji?"

"Well, I'm here to confirm with Arcueid whether she's alright to go ahead with our... uh... plan for tonight. Though I did want to invite you to come along as well, Beo." You don't think you'll need this much firepower to deal with the Roa possessed SHIKI at all, but it can't hurt to be careful. Still, it might just be a little too overkill to bring such an overwhelming force.

Arcueid's pout disappears and is replaced by a look of determination. "Of course I am, Beo, do you want to help?" She happily extends her own offer to her new friend.

"Sure. Sounds like it could be fun." Lugh doesn't seem all too bothered by the idea of coming with you and Arcueid.

"I'll also be bringing my Servant, and Touko will be coming along as well." You inform the both of them of the other allies that you'll be taking to kill Roa. "Now then, we can probably get away with going to find the Basement right now... though I suppose that it wouldn't hurt to wait for another hour before we actually make our attempt...

At any rate... 'Betty, can you please come here? I'm in Arcueid and Lugh's room right now.' In return you feel Betty mentally give a noise of agreement. You really don't want the Servant to be falling asleep seeing as she's the only one with any knowledge of the house's layout. It's probably late enough now that you'd be able to get away with going after Roa without being caught out by Akiha or one of the Maids.

>Go ahead with the mission now.
>Go see Shiki before you go after Roa.
>Just spend the next hour with Lugh, Arcueid and Betty.
>Write-in...

>>4637866
Part of me wants to include Shiki for plot reasons, but the other part of me thinks that it'd be better if we just get it over with quickly (probably).
I'll just go with the majority on this one.

>>4637866
>>Go ahead with the mission now.
Let's get it over with.

>>4637866
>>Go see Shiki before you go after Roa.
This feels important honestly since SHIKI is important to his development

>>4637866
>>Go see Shiki before you go after Roa.

The reason I want to go immediately is that I want Betty to be awake for the duration of our basement trip. She knows the mansion's layout and she can scout for us.
>>4637873
Why does it matter? I feel like Shiki is irrelevant. He won't be helping us in a war or in a fight against vampires. If anything taking him to SHIKI will raise a lot of uncomfortable questions that he will be asking us and Akiha.

>>4637866
>>Go ahead with the mission now.

>>4637879
Ok cool but I wanna be friends with him and they should have those uncomfortable questions instead of trying to bury it