"Now, let's get to it, shall we?" The words you speak to your allies seem to echo around the room as you make a somewhat reckless declaration in confidence. Of course, you're aware of just how much could go wrong with undertaking such a dangerous mission, but even with that potentiality, you simply have so many powerful Servants aiding you that it's honestly pretty difficult to imagine yourself losing. While your opponent might have their own Servants to attempt to fend you off with, you know for a fact that none of the Servants they seem to have access to have any especially defensive Noble Phantasms, so you shouldn't need to worry about Ryūdō Temple suddenly becoming an impenetrable fortress that no attack functions on. Well, you suppose such a thing wouldn't really matter even if it was the case. You have no doubt that Excalibur would be more than capable of blowing away any sort of Fortress +-type Noble Phantasm.

"Aren't you feeling a little too confident, are all the Servants you're collecting giving you a boost in confidence?" Archer asks with a somewhat unimpressed tone in his voice. You don't know if it's disapproval of your confidence or just disapproval of the plan in general. Though if Archer thinks he can comment at all on your plans when his grand plan is a doomed attempt to remove himself from something outside of conventional time and space through some sort of convoluted double paradox, he really doesn't have much of a leg to stand on. "I still believe that we might be served better by attempting to find out more of our enemies capabilities before rushing in like fools." You see him momentarily glance at his younger self for a few moments as he says that. Though that's not really something you have as much of a problem with, there's a reason that the bad endings in Fate/Stay Night far outweigh the good ends in number, and it probably has something to do with Shirous predisposition.

"What's the matter, Archer? Getting cold feet?" Lancer jeers at his ally, clearly Lancer is not sharing Archer's caution. The two Servants seem to refrain from bickering any further only after both receiving cold glares from their respective masters. It's amazing how despite the massive difference in power between the Servant and the Master that merely the threat of retribution is enough to quell the bickering of the two. Of course, this is almost entirely due to the contract of Servant and Master they share. It's kind of odd that nobody seems all that interested in Shuten, but you suppose that there's more important things to worry about than proper introductions, especially when they are practically guaranteed to go poorly thanks to Shuten's actions before she became your Servant. No, it's best to leave her in spiritual form.

Rin takes the opportunity to speak after silencing her own Servant. "I do think Archer has something of a point. It might be wiser if the Masters held back from directly entering the combat on this occasion and instead allowed the Servants to go on ahead and clear the enemies from the area before we follow, I might be confident in my skills, but I can tell that even I'm probably going to be more of a hindrance than a help in a large scale battle of Servants." Rin has a rare moment of acting relatively modest about her own skills, though honestly, when you're surrounded by Servants, you'd need one hell of an ego to remain completely confident in your own combat skills. Especially when you don't have what are effectively cheat skills like Shirou, Bazette, Sakura or even yourself. Rin is simply a very good magus with potential to be one of the best on the planet as she learns. But at her younger age, she's kind of outstripped in usefulness by the people who are horribly overspecialized and suited to fighting, not including yourself, of course.

"But what if one of our Servants needs our help?" Shirou doesn't sound too happy about that plan. "We might not be able to help our Servants physically fight against their enemies, but we do have our command spells, right?" Shirou shows his three remaining command spells to help punctuate his point. "That's an advantage that I don't think the Servants at the temple will have... right?" Shirou is obviously just guessing, but he does raise a good point. Even if the Servants are somewhat equally matched, Saber and her altered variant especially, the power of a command spell would allow them to easily tip the scales.

"That's not a bad idea, Onii-chan." Illya speaks up to support Shirou, she should have the most technical knowledge of the grail war of anyone currently here, even more so than Caster, who currently resides at your side still in spiritual form. That might change should Caster actually get the opportunity to research the war, but until then, she loses to Illya massively on knowledge of the specifics of the war. "We shouldn't waste an advantage and risk losing by keeping away from the combat. I think it should be possible for me to retrieve Avenger and return him to my side if I'm close enough, especially now that the link has been strengthened again."

"I can't agree with you putting yourself in harms way like that, Lady Illyasviel." Unsurprisingly, Sella objects to Illya's intention of coming with you. While the maid might have been forced to accept Illya going off on her own if she had a Servant to protect her, it would be terribly dangerous for Illya to be close to such a dreadful battle with only her maids providing protection. Illya simply makes an annoyed sound at her maids attempt to shut down her plan, Illya is probably just going to ignore Sella anyway, she can theoretically just order her maid into letting her go, after all.

"I'm ready for anything." Bazette doesn't sound too fussed about the challenge ahead of you. Ever the cool and confident operator, she doesn't offer any sort of support or rejection of the plan either way. Looks like she's more than ready to accept whatever gets decided on. Well, you don't really know why you expected anything else from an Enforcer.

Monica stretches for a moment before adding her own piece. "I'm not really sure how much help my magecraft will be against Servants, especially those with Magic Resistance, but I'm not going to back down from helping." Ever reliable, as you've come to expect from Monica. Though you don't really know how her attacks will function against Servants, the only real hope she's got of doing any damage to a Servant is to use a projectile with an innate mystery and super accelerate it, that way there shouldn't actually be anything for Magic Resistance to be able to nullify, as the magic would have already served its purpose in actually accelerating the projectile. Though you can't really test that theory without having Monica actually open fire on a Servant, and you'd rather not accidentally wound an ally just in case it actually does work and you end up with an injured Servant just before the big battle.

You look at Saber, who has remained awfully quiet so far, despite having quite a personal stake in that one of the opponents at the temple is a twisted and evil counterpart of herself. "So, Saber, what are your thoughts on how we should go about this?" It can't help to have Saber's opinion on things, especially considering that her opponent may well be the most powerful Servant hiding out in the temple. She's going to need every advantage she can get in order to score a victory against Saber Alter, after all, and a command spell could easily shift the tide in her favor during a clash, and a moments advantage is all a Servant should need in a battle to end it entirely.

"I... I would prefer if my Master fought alongside me." Saber is surprisingly honest about things. Of everyone here, Shirou is probably the best at shrugging off otherwise fatal injuries thanks to Avalon, so long as it isn't immediately fatal. You are capable of similar with your own abilities too, but you aren't entirely sure just who has the better healing out of you and Shirou, right now though, you have spent so much of your energy that you probably wouldn't even be able to heal a small cut, never mind heal a missing limb. Still, Saber's wish to fight alongside Shirou is at least some evidence that Shirou isn't as helpless now as he might've been without your instructions. "If I am to take on my double, I shall need every advantage I can get ahold of." Looks like Saber doesn't really feel like a thematic battle against her dark side is a good idea.

"Well, why don't we just let Onii-chan decide?" Sakura looks at you, speaking for the first time. "He's the person who's gotten everyone together, so he's the leader, right?" It's nice to have Sakura's confidence to such a degree, but you do sometimes worry about disappointing her when she has so much riding on you being able to continue succeeding. She might have unrealistic expectations of you, but since when has something being realistic or not held you back in this world? "Rider agrees with me, don't you, Rider?" Sakura looks at her Servant, who nods slowly in agreement with her master. You don't know if Rider truly feels that way or if she is just agreeing with her Master. As a Servant, there's not really anything that Rider actually longs for... not that the Holy Grail can grant, anyway.

There are a few murmurs, but everyone seems at least somewhat content to go along with whatever you intend. Of course, your decision may end up disappointing some of them, but both approaches have their own merits. Being able to keep everyone out of immediate danger is a boon, but it does come at the cost of them not being able to directly determine the state of the battle and react appropriately for their servant, with a command spell if needed. Of course, there's also the small problem that you're actually out of magical energy. It should recover in a few hours, but you aren't really sure if you can afford to wait that long...

>Choose to attack immediately, there's no time to waste. Betty, Shuten and Medea aren't suffering any lack of magical energy anyway.
>Put the attack off for a few hours more.
>Use two of your command spells in order to refresh your own reserve of magical energy.
>Write-in...

AND

>Take everyone to the temple.
>Take everyone trained for combat to the temple. (Leave Sakura and the Einzbern at the mansion.)
>Go alone with the Servants and leave a single Servant at the mansion to protect the Masters. (Which Servant?)
>Write-in...

Seeing as it's the first post, I'm not implementing my anti-samefagging measures just yet.

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If I've got any cross-readers from Castlevania here, I've actually decided on a way to continue the story in a... well let's say an unconventional way. You ought to look forward to it, it should be a lot of fun.

>>4611212
Replenish energy and take everyone trained for combat.

>>4611212
>Choose to attack immediately, there's no time to waste. Betty, Shuten and Medea aren't suffering any lack of magical energy anyway.
>Take everyone trained for combat to the temple. (Leave Sakura and the Einzbern at the mansion.)
Quest is back.

>>4611212
>Take everyone trained for combat to the temple. (Leave Sakura and the Einzbern at the mansion.)
Ayyy, back at it again.

>>4611245
+1

>>4611245
+1

>>4611212
Good to see you back boss.
>>Choose to attack immediately, there's no time to waste. Betty, Shuten and Medea aren't suffering any lack of magical energy anyway.
If only because 'muh finite resource' tells me to hold off on burning, and it doesn't take too much time should we need to later. More importantly
>Go alone with the Servants and leave a single Servant at the mansion to protect the Masters. (Medea)
Could go either way on this but I figure either we take everyone or leave with a guard, because leaving those two unguarded is just begging for an attack. I'm going with Medea for now If only because if someone does make moves against them can teleport out of there if more than can handle.

>>4611212
>>Choose to attack immediately, there's no time to waste. Betty, Shuten and Medea aren't suffering any lack of magical energy anyway.
We can burn the command spells at any time.

>>Take everyone to the temple.
Splitting our forces is a bad idea in my opinion. Ibaraki is very mad at us and her master probably knows where we live.

>Seeing as it's the first post, I'm not implementing my anti-samefagging measures just yet.
I hope you came up with something good.

>>4611212
>Choose to attack immediately, there's no time to waste. Betty, Shuten and Medea aren't suffering any lack of magical energy anyway.
>Take everyone to the temple.

>>4611223
I'm interested in how you've decided to continue it in spite of your misgivings.

>>4611212
>Choose to attack immediately, there's no time to waste. Betty, Shuten and Medea aren't suffering any lack of magical energy anyway.
>Take everyone to the temple.

How many command spells do we have? Wasn't it our arm and the crazy moving ones?

>>4611212
>Use two of your command spells in order to refresh your own reserve of magical energy.
Didn't we have like nine of these fucking things?
Also I strongly recall our healing being linked to how much magical energy we have left.
>Take everyone trained for combat to the temple. (Leave Sakura and the Einzbern at the mansion.)
In the immortal words of Han Solo."I've got a bad feeling about this."

>>4611223
Try not to let it descend into being super edgy for the sake of attempting to acquire monstergirl/chaotic pussy this time, ok?

Anybody else get the feeling we're going to fight the final boss early and are about to get fucking destroyed?
Like trying to fight Lavos early.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

>>4611530
That's why I at least want to get some mana.

>>4611203
Welcome back, OP! Hope you're doing well. Happy new year!

>>4611245
Supporting

Do we have any task we would need Rider for? If not, we should leave her with Sakura and Illya as a guard with the extra perk of being good at running away with the car.

>>4611554
Debuffs and instakilling low magic servants?

>>4611531
I kinda think we should back out, but we've gone all in to such a degree that calling it off now would feel like a waste.

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>>4611530
I wouldn't say that this version of Manaka is end boss level. As far as we know she's been nerfed because she doesn't have Beast 666 at her disposal and her mana source of the Ryudou Temple pales in comparison compared to the Black Grail that gave the likes of Dark Sakura infinite and near True Magic levels of magical energy. The Zero servants are arguably stronger than the Fragments servant though with SAlter, Iskandar plus Hundred Face being problematic to deal with. It took the combined efforts of Ayaka, Proto-Saber, Proto-Archer, Proto-Lancer and possibly Proto-Rider to beat Manaka at her most powerful, I think our allies and servants we collected thus far would be sufficient in defeating a nerfed Manaka early.

>>4611245
Support, we have so many pro-level mages around, shouldn't somebody have a mana potion lying around. Especially an Enforcer like Bazett?

>>4611587
>a mana potion
We've got so much magical energy max that a simple potion wouldn't do jack.
Our only real hope would be a... uh.
A tantric ritual with Illya or Sakura.
Also IIRC fate mana potions are made from bodily fluids, normally reproductive fluids.

>>4611245
+1

>>4611530
If our opponent can raise the dead servants wouldn't it be a good idea to dispose of them as soon as possible?
The longer they stay in the war the more powerful they will get.

>>4611613
Odds are it takes a long time to resurrect dead servants.

>>4611623
We are on a second (or was it third?) night right now and they already have 6 servants.

>>4611572
Ah I forgot about the write in. If this is a dead end then yeah we'll think of a better strategy.

>>4611212
backing >>4611245, glad to see you alive and well WhatIs

>>4611223
>decided on a way to continue the story in a... well let's say an unconventional way
Were you this guy in the /qtg/?
>>4602916
>>4602926
>>4602959
>>4603229
I hope you're feeling a lot better after the hiatus, at least. My goals for both quests are still very simple:
>keep at least one based and loyal non-love-interest ally all the way to the end
>have at least one based any loyal love interest, which has at least one instance of sexytimes with the main character
>main character "wins" in some way shape or form, or just survives the quest intact and able to move on in life for the better

>>4611587
>shouldn't somebody have a mana potion lying around
Yeah its called sex

>>4611678
We'll die a virgin probably.

>>4611681
We died 3 times already. What's the big deal?

>>4611663
>>keep at least one based and loyal non-love-interest ally all the way to the end
I too wanna be bros for life with Shirou

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Alrighty then!
Vote called in 40 minutes.

>>4611428
Well, I'm not sure if the way I plan on doing it is going to please everyone, but it's really the natural progression of the story.

>>4611663
I may have been that guy.
I was feeling kinda hopeless as to how I could continue the story, but I figured out a way that will definitely be interesting.

>>4611635
>we'll think of a better strategy.
Now, not saying that this is a poor choice, but I want you to understand that not all poor choices are going to end up with a simple Dead End. Some will have far greater consequences...

>>4611289
>>4611536
>>4611663
Thanks, it is good to be back.

>>4611685
I wonder if somebody tallied how many times Shirou dies a virgin in the dead ends of F/SN.

>>4611744
Yeah I expect someone to die pretty soon.

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>>4611747
Why don't we use the Wheel of Death to find out who?
Lancer sold seperately.

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>>4611805
Thanks, I was giving myself a headache trying to decipher what was on the wheel while it was spinning

I can't start writing for another thirty minutes so consider the vote time extended till then.

>Replenish
>>4611245
>>4611275
>>4611282
>>4611490
>>4611549
>>4611603
>>4611663
>>4611587

>Attack now
>>4611255
>>4611255
>>4611289
>>4611334
>>4611428
>>4611435

Looks like replenish wins.

>Trained only
>>4611245
>>4611255
>>4611270
>>4611275
>>4611282
>>4611490
>>4611549
>>4611663

>>4611587
>>4611603

>Leave Medea
>>4611289

>Take all
>>4611428
>>4611435

Little later than I thought but uh, yeah, combat ready Masters only wins.

"First things first, before anything else..." You raise your arm and flare magical energy through your magic circuits, directed towards the marks on the back of your hand. You can feel the spiritual forms of both Shuten and Medea tense up very slightly through the connection you share with the two of them, whereas Betty remains completely uncaring of the sudden usage of your command spells.

When you simply will the powerful spell to unmake itself in order to provide you with the potent energy held within it however, you can feel both the tense Servants relax. Though the energy held within the spell isn't enough to get you to a optimal level, so with a little more apprehension, you spend another of your command spells, feeling yourself almost completely replenished.

There's very little reaction to your usage of your spells for energy around the table, though you can tell that Rin is more than a little jealous of the fact that you can easily afford to spend two command spells considering you had nine in total. The rest of your allies seem to be waiting for you to continue speaking, and after you've confirmed that you will be able to once again fight at almost your maximum, you do.

"Sorry about that, I just needed to restore my energy... or well, make sure that I could use my command spells to restore my energy, before I answered." You respond rather sheepishly, it's kind of rude to leave people hanging like that. "Now that I've confirmed that I can however, I've decided that we're not only going to attack immediately, but we're going to be bringing only the people who've been trained properly for combat." Sakura looks a little bit disappointed, while Illya has no reaction to your stated intention of leaving her out of the battle. Does she not... think that she's incapable of combat? She might have the magical knowledge for it, but when it comes to an actual battle, Illya simply wouldn't know how to respond. You sigh as you look toward the girl. "Sorry Illya, but that includes you. I'm going to need you to stay here with Sakura... as well as your maids." While they aren't as good as a Servant when it comes to a defense, defensively, they should be able to fend off most assaults while on your territory. You lost track of what some of the Bounded Fields you put in place on your home do, but needless to say that the overwhelming advantage would belong to the one with their support.

"But...!" Illya tries to formulate an argument into letting her come with you, and you can understand her frustration, she's basically being forced into being a non-combatant simply because she had the misfortune to lose her Servant to whatever lurks beneath the temple. It really could've been anyone who lost their Servant, even you, with all your knowledge of the evil that should be lurking under the temple, never thought to expect something greater to have emerged as a threat.

You interrupt Illya before she can try to convince you to let her come along. "It's too dangerous for you right now, Illya. But don't worry, if an opportunity arises, I'll have Caster teleport you right to us." You try to give her a reassuring smile in order to appease the girl, though you know it's really not going to work all too well. "Trust me, as soon as it's safe, you'll have your Servant back. That's a promise." You smile as you make your promise to the girl.

"Fine." Illya sounds as if she wants to finish her sentence with some sort of ultimatum or threat, but lacking any sort of overwhelmingly powerful Servant to back up her dangerous temper forces her to simply accept your conditions. You'll probably have to be more gentle when handling situations with her when she does have her Servant at her side, especially if she can get the apparently disloyal servant to actually follow her commands.

Caster suddenly materializes from behind you, and you almost jump in surprise at the nearly immediate appearance. Even when you knew she was there, the natural instinct in your body to a threat appearing from nowhere sparked up. Of course, you know that Medea is of no threat to you, that's not to say she's incapable of being a threat to you, and more that she should have absolutely no inclination of becoming one. After all, you feel like she does enjoy your company. "Now, if we're going to attack immediately, may I make a suggestion?" You simply nod for her to continue. "I suggest that we make good use of my mastery of spatial relocation magecraft to get there. While I may not be able to teleport us all inside the compound, I can teleport our entire force close enough to the stairs that we will be able to overwhelm and destroy their gate guardian before he has a chance to receive reinforcements from within the compound!" Caster puts forward an all-out assault plan, though it's a little bare bones, you suppose it can't be helped. While you know the rough capabilities of the opponents you'll be up against, you can't guarantee that your enemy won't have somehow managed to summon Servants from the Third Grail War or even before in order to serve them. Your side should theoretically have the information advantage though, so long as you aren't thrown any total curveballs. The biggest of which being just what exactly is the cause of all this madness at the temple. Angra Mainyu by itself would be incapable of something like this and even Dark Sakura at the peak of her power was only capable of corrupting existing servants to serve her, nothing so ridiculous as to raise deceased Servants at a level of power nearly identical to before their death.

While there are certainly other methods you could use to get to the temple, none are so effective as immediately appearing right at your enemy's gate with no warning, and you aren't even really willing to even consider alternate solutions. Of course, you don't want to end up over reliant on Caster's ability to teleport you places, but in situations like this, you would be a fool if you were to leave one of your greatest advantages unused. "Agreed. A surprise attack is our best shot at victory, even if they should have some inkling that we're preparing an attack." You turn to face the rest of your allies. "Everyone, this is it. But before we attack, I'm going to need to have to choose somebody to... well, lead the charge at the temple gate, after all, we can't afford to attempt to just attempt to rush them with no strategy at all."

>>Select the leader of the charge.
>Saber
>Lancer
>Archer
>Assassin
>Rider
>Write-in???

If I see cause for concern of samefagging, the anti-samefagging measure will immediately come into play, in which only posts which reply to this post within an hour of it being posted and for an hour twelve hours after it has been posted will be counted.

>>4612125
>Archer
Even though Saber and Lancer were kings, sneak attacks and strategy are Archer's thing

>>4612125
>Assassin
She's giga strong and is the most expendable on the team.
If she actually used her fucking Assassin concealment to get some sneak attacks in, that would be great, but we all know that's not how she fights.

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>>4612135
Forgot my image

>>4612135
+1
Shuten is also really tanky thanks to Battle Continuation A.

>>4612125
Can I get some clarification on the anti-samefagging measures? I am drunk right now and I have trouble comprehending that information under spoiler.
Is it an hour after post or twelve hours?
Does it mean that votes that are within that time frame will be considered legitimate no matter what?

>>4612135
Supporting this I guess.

>>4612144
It's both.
As in, all posts an hour from the moment I post the update will be valid.
As will all votes that are posted in the hour twelve hours after the update is posted.
I also reserve the right to ignore obvious samefaggotry if it occurs during the "valid" period.

>>4612149
Okay thank you.

>>4612125
Changing my vote from >>4612147 to
>Archer

Putting Shuten in commanding position is a bad idea.

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>>4612133
>>4612173
Supporting Archer. He's a counter guardian and has dealt with high level world ending threats to the counter force before. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an instance where the counter force sent him to a timeline where Ayaka failed to beat Manaka and he had to finish the job.

>>4612125
>Assassin
Giga stonk oni on par with Bersercules in stats and A++ rank Battle Continuation just screams tank.

>>4612125
Shuten.

>>4612133
Supporting. Shuten will get us killed.

>>4612125
>"Of course, you don't want to end up over reliant on Caster's ability to teleport you places..."
WhatIs, don't think I didn't catch this. The entire quest ever since we got Medea on our side, I've seen you drop constant hints and mentions like this regarding her and relying on her powers. Too consistent and purposeful to be coincidence in writing, too. What, do you have a hidden stat where too much needless teleportation or other things from her leads to her betraying us, or feeling used and not contributing or some dumb shit? "If the count of X is greater than or equal to threshold Y, Caster starts plotting against Shinji for whatever reason(s)" or something?

>>4612125
>Archer
Shuten up front will cause us to fuck up and kill efficiency, which we need if we're to attempt a clean operation

>>4612125
>>Assassin

I just thought of something. Why are we sending in a servant first in the first place. Didn't one of Betty's familiars fight on par with a servant last time we were here?
Why aren't we giving her mana to make some sort of super tanky massive distraction familiar who's job is to bust in first, draw attention and provide cover as the far less expendable servants move in?

>>4612542
We probably want her to swarm the later big bad. If we can take out one with a surprise attack we can save a ton of mana.

>>4612125
>Assassin
Yeah lets put the nigh-unstoppable killing machine on the front line and leave the Archer who is slightly more durable than a pringle to actually use his fucking bow.

Poor Deermud doesn't actually have a way to kill Shuten.

>>4612542
Beaky was reinforced by our magic and still almost died the moment Lancer decided to get serious.
Besides we are not choosing a distraction. We are choosing a leader for an assault squad.

>>4612125
>>Archer
Not sure why people voting for Assassin. I don't remember her having any skills or feats related to strategy.

>>4612546
>>4612549
Seems like there's two lines of thought here. People reading it as us selecting the leader and people reading it as us picking who gets to go in first.
Might be helpful to ask WhatIs to clarify, honestly.

>>4612549
Because she's statistically the biggest beatstick.
We're choosing somebody to lead the charge so why wouldn't we open with our strongest Servant?
It's not like Archer could command the Servants to fight better than they themselves can decide.

>>4612551
I mean, we're the leader aren't we?
Also Cu would never accept orders from Archer.
Nor would Shirou.
Especially seeing as his orders would be made to kill Shirou.

>>4612553
I'm just saying, that's what I'm seeing. People who want to pick Archer because he's got experience and is a good leader and people who want to pick Assassin because she's a beat stick who honestly should be going in first if we're not using a familiar.

>>4612549
Shuten also has an instant kill np if it procs if it doesn't they're deboned at the very least she also has busted parameters thanks to fame boost and some good skills on top of that.

What if we boost our servants?

>>4612551
>>4612552
>>4612555
I get that. I am not saying that Archer is stronger than Shuten.
But considering that we are about to assault the main base of an unknown enemy it would be better to have a counter guardian who has experience dealing with all kinds of shit to be a formal leader for the assault squad.

>>4612557
Archer has experience dealing with this sort of shit while functioning as a counter guardian.
Counter Guardian EMIYA has effectively unlimited magical energy and can be continuously resummoned by Alaya if he's killed.
Servant EMIYA doesn't.
It's not worth comparing the two.

>>4612557
You know what you raise a good point i thought that we were voting for who will do a sneak attack on the temple gate guardian. >>4612139
changing my vote to archer then

>>4612563
We ARE choosing the person leading the sneak attack.
You don't have your tactician leading a charge do you?

>>4612565
>We ARE choosing the person leading the sneak attack.
Where did you get that? Medea is going to drop assault squad right on whoever is guarding the entrance.

>>4612567
Because she can't teleport us in there, the assault will still need a spearhead.
Shuten or Saber are the only acceptable options.

>>4612568
I am not against adding Shuten to the squad. I am against making her squad leader.

>>4612570
The person who "leads the charge' is the person at the front of the vanguard, the first person in and draws attention as everyone else follows behind.

>>4612570
I don't think she will be squad leader, simply because getting servants to agree to take orders from other servants is a big no no.
Also if it was about tactics why isn't Medea an option?
She's one of the best tacticians we have.

>>4612574

>But before we attack, I'm going to need to have to choose somebody to... well, lead the charge at the temple gate, after all, we can't afford to attempt to just attempt to rush them with no strategy at all.

Then what is this bit about?
As far as I can tell we are supposed to pick someone who won't "rush in without strategy". Shuten is the opposite of that.

>>4612576
Because Medea is the one who is gonna hijack bounded fields around temple. She can't do that and lead at the same time.

>>4612578
It's saying we need somebody to lead the initial attack that everyone agrees on.
We can't attack without deciding on that, otherwise the initial attack will be a complete mess.
Shuten's lack of strategy is irrelevant when being used as a statstick.

>>4612579
It seems we understand meaning behind this quote differently.
I still don't get why did you call it a sneak attack tho.

We should hurry up and do the dragon blood thing.
I want to make Illya invincible.

>>4612587
>We should hurry up and do the dragon blood thing.
I agree on that. We should make sure that Medea survives the temple assault.

>>4612588
I just think it would be funny to give Shirou both better physical stats than EMIYA, but also a chance to get recorded by the throne as a Saber.

>>4612594
Why Saber?
He had archery skills from his club activities, so he qualified to become an Archer. But could he become a Saber without swordsmanship skills?

>>4612597
Shirou picks up swordsmanship remarkably quickly.
He can also copy Archer's homework.
Only reason EMIYA doesn't qualify is his shitty physical abilities.

Honestly, what we need most are Servant level physical abilities. Getting ganked by any Servant instantly is the opposite of fun.

>>4612620
Yeah. Servant level endurance at the very least.

>>4612622
We are way too glass cannon-y right now.
We should ask Caster for help after this.

>>4612629
She already agreed to make a dragon blood ritual for us. If everything goes well we will be on the level of weaker servants.

>>4612631
Wouldn't dragonblood make us stronger than most of the Servants?
Look at Siegfried, he's ridiculously strong!

>>4612634
The dragon that Medea summons is not the same as the actual dragons. I am not sure about details but she said that without ritual it's blood would do nothing at all.
With ritual it will strenghten us but not to the level that the actual dragon's blood would.

>>4612637
Why don't we improve the effect it has on us with Truth?
Our magic is powerful enough to cause the advent of an actual goddess, after all.

>>4612639
I think we should consult Medea first. It's her ritual after all, so she would know how to apply our magic in an efficient and safe way.

>Our magic is powerful enough to cause the advent of an actual goddess, after all.
Didn't Alaya melt us into puddle for that shit?

>>4612642
I think that was Shuten doing that.
I imagine Fuyuki probably got nuked by Alaya about half a minute after we died.
Alternatively a genuinely baffled Gilgamesh would have dealt with the situation with Enkidu + Ea GG.

>>4612647
We still don't know what state is Gil in.
His energy supply got nuked two years ago so, I wonder if he is weakened at all.

>>4612650
>weakened
Probably not.
It is Gil.
It'd be stupid to think he cant supply his own energy with the Gate.

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>>4612650
>>4612656
>Gil
That reminds me, I think Gilgamesh wouldn't want to miss seeing two Sabers fight for his own amusement. Won't Gilgamesh showing up to the temple throw a wrench in our plans?

>>4612650
Also Gilgamesh is probably as strong as he was with Tokiyomi as his Master even without the church basement mana supply. Kirei didn't steal Lancer from Bazett, therefore he only has to support one servant and with the grail war going on there would be little to no change to Gil's power from his appearance in Zero.

>>4612662
Hopefully Assassasin is enough to stall him.
If we get lucky and manage to free Avenger before Gil shows up it should be relatively easy to fuck him up. Iliya said Avenger was capable of killing Gil after all.

>>4612666
Illya is full of shit, Satan.
Also the odds of a Servant with divinity delaying Gil when he's not just fucking around are very low. Zero, in fact.

>>4612125
>Archer
This time around I'll try to stay on wi-fi when voting to prevent being accused of samefagging.

>>4612704
Shuten gets a boost from being on her home turf right?
Surely if she gets a drop on him from invisibility she would at least wound him?

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The anon who said that this was a vote about who's going to be spearheading the attack was correct.
But if you really want to see Archer do it, then I must oblige.

>>4612726
>>4612549
I'll change my vote to Assassin then.

>>4612726
No thank you

>>4612726
>>4612705
Changing my vote to Assassin as well, then. But it'd be funny if we called out Archer at first just to fuck with him.

>>4612726
Changing to Assasin then, Archer might do something stupid like 360 no-scope Shirou.

>>4612726
>>4612133
yeah Shuten seems pretty expendable, i change my vote

>>4612726
>>4612563
ignore my vote change here then QM i thought i read things wrong.

Holy shit this is back? Can I finally escape my drunken WN binge?
Probably not, but let's see how this plays out.

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>all this talk about how expendable Shuten is.

>>4612905
That's my waifu pictured. Maybe she'll come help lol

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>>4612905
Ibaraki would probably save Shuten's ass if the fight at the temple gets too hairy. That's what she did back at the alley where we "Rule Broke" her.

>>4612913
that's actually a great point, if she looks like she's about to die, Ibaraki will line herself up for a rule break

Oh. Back already are we? God how I’ve missed this quest.

Glad to see this quest back in action :D

>>4612125
Assassin. Probably one of the better servants to use for spearheading the attack.

Oh fuck we back, I should check the catalog more often.

You look over each of the Servants willing to go on this mission as you decide on just who would be the best at spearheading the assault, of course, there's only one real stand-out option among every Servant in your faction, and that's the Servant currently unmaterialized by your side. Yes, Shuten Dōji is easily the most suited for something like this. While you can't expect her to be proactive of her own accord, it's not like she'll have much of an opportunity to mess up leading a vanguard through her attitude to... well, everything. Shuten if she was given the opportunity would absolutely just spend the rest of the war getting drunk... well, more drunk than she usually is, at least.

"Because we need somebody both strong and durable in order to ensure that our attack is a success, I'm going to have..." You heave a sigh as you realize that what you're about to say is completely ridiculous and would have you dismissed as a complete idiot in any other circumstance due to just how weak Assassins are supposed to be. "...Assassin will be leading the charge."

The rooms atmosphere changes as more than a few of your allies start looking at you like you've grown another head, and predictably, it's Rin who speaks up first. "Assassin? Are you sure you don't want Caster leading the charge? Or maybe you'd like to personally lead the charge?" She's mocking you, but despite having been a tad embarrassed about what you said mere moments ago, Rin's attempt to humiliate you has the complete opposite effect on you, and you simply smirk at her.

"I suppose you could have your Archer lead the charge, Rin, if you feel like my decisions are so poor." She shuts up really quite quickly at that. "Assassin is... well, she's unlike any Assassin you're probably thinking about when you hear the word. She's not one of the Hashashin, for one, and physically, her abilities are more on par with that of a powerful Berserker." You confess to just how much power that your Assassin is holding, and while you want to reveal that in a one on one battle that she would be able to crush effectively any of the Servants in the room, you refrain from doing so. You don't want it to become some sort of challenge to Lancer or any of the other Servants in the room, for that matter.

"Oh don't be ridiculous, there's no way that an Assassin could possibly be a match for a Berserker, aside from Caster, they are the physically weakest class!" Rin reminds everyone something they already knew, who does she think that she's info-dumping to? Well, maybe Shirou was unfamiliar with that piece of information, but it's something anybody with half a brain could figure out... Well, then maybe it's for the better that Shirou heard that.

"Of all the bizarre occurrences in this war, and you're going to pick a Servant being stronger than their class container should allow for as the thing you can't accept?" Dealing with Rin is really just completely exhausting sometimes, you know she means well, but she just goes about it in such a terrible way. It's pretty incredible that somebody like this has somehow managed to find herself at the position of the most desired girl in school. "Fine, I'll let you in on a secret about Assassin. In life, she wasn't actually a human at all!" It's a small admission about the identity of Shuten, and you realize that you're going to have to spill the beans about her identity fully at some point. You run your hand through your hair as you smirk as Rin. "So, do you understand? It's pointless to try to compare my Assassin's strength to the level of other Assassins because she's not subject to human limitations!" As you go off on a bit of a tirade, you see Rider fidgeting a little bit in the corner of your eye, clearly all this talk of non-human Servants not having the same limitations as other Servants is making her feel just a little bit inadequate. Though in truth, at her full strength as Gorgon, Rider would easily prove a more than adequate challenge to somebody like Shuten. Though if you told Rider that she'd be more useful as the Gorgon, she'd probably kill you on the spot.

Regardless of what Rider thinks about it, you did at least manage to shut Rin up, who's sputtering as she attempts to come up with a response to your explanation, eventually, it's Archer who comes to her aid, having clearly had his fill of watching his Master flounder uselessly. For Archer, seeing Rin being consistently challenged on her knowledge must be quite the amusing situation, still, ever the gentleman, he comes to the rescue of his Master. "I do hope that this... non-human Servant of yours has their appetite under control now, Shinji." His voice hides a threatening tone, almost as if he's daring Shuten to come out to attack him... Though that's a failed endeavour, Shuten really couldn't care less about what somebody like Archer thinks about her. In fact, getting Shuten genuinely angry would probably be quite impossible for anybody not named Minamoto no Raikou. But the fact that it takes literally cutting her head from her shoulders to get her to truly hate you is some pretty outstanding evidence that basically nothing gets under Shuten's skin, she's just that carefree.

"Of course they do, Archer. Their method of gathering magical energy was mostly by the command of their Master, from what I understand." Of course, Shuten is one of the few Servants who would have absolutely no second thoughts about eating humans in order to sustain herself. It's practically in her nature to do so... not that she can't rise above those base instincts should she actually put her mind to it. The problem is actually getting Shuten to put her mind to... well... anything. "I can guarantee everyone here that Assassin will not be partaking in that particular method of gathering energy while I am her Master."

'Right?' You mentally reach out to the lazy demon.

'Of course. If it was possible for somebody to shrug noncommittally entirely through a verbal form, Shuten just managed it. 'I'm surprised you want me to lead this charge though, Master. Do you just have that much faith in my abilities?' Shuten chuckles through the mental link when you don't answer her. While it's true that you have faith in her... at least in her strength, you don't actually want her to know that all too much lest you be seen as a groveler or something, and Shuten is one of the last Servants you want to make yourself seem like a weakling to, she's already betrayed one Master, practically on a whim, and there's no guarantee that she won't do the same to you if the opportunity arises. 'I'll take your silence as confirmation.'

The lull in the room that began when you started mentally communicating ends when Medea speaks up again. "Well, is everyone ready to go? I do believe we are running short on time, after all." Medea reminds you of the haste you ought to be making, you are on a time limit with an uncertain end point, after all.

Medea receives no opposition from anyone in the room, and you give her a nod to confirm that it is time to strike. She smiles as she says the activation word for the impossibly complicated magecraft that she wields with such ease.

Tροψα!

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You find yourself along with all your allies standing on the steps to the Fuyuki Temple, the entrance is just in sight and the Servants are beginning to get into formation, however, the first problem has arisen. The guard at the gate... isn't Diarmuid. Not by any stretch of imagination. Instead, blocking the path to the temple is a black steel clad giant that exudes a tremendous amount of energy, the legendary sword Arondight has already been drawn, yet it has been corrupted by a great evil just as Lancelot himself has been.

You realize at the moment that you see Lancelot that things may be about to go very poorly indeed, Lancelot is a far greater challenge to overcome than you had been expecting, but Shuten is theoretically strong enough to defeat even the greatest of the Knights of the Round Table.

You realize you only have a few moments before the attack begins as the Servants have already begun to rush up the few remaining stairs, and this is your last opportunity to do anything.

>[Write-in plan]
>Just watch to see how Shuten gets on.

This update is probably full of formatting errors, sorry, but I'm very tired right now.

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>>4613388
Lancelot is altered, but he is still in his Berserker form. Therefore he could still be blood lusted and easily distracted by Artoria. I'm kind of okay with letting Shuten have at it, presence concealment of C and her power boost from being in her homeland would at the very least damage Lancelot badly while he is screeching at Aaaaasaaaa. Even if we don't get the jump on him, I don't think using Truth Magic would be appropriate this early on.

>>4613388
>Just watch to see how Shuten gets on.
Not doing my do diligence is gonna get someone killed, but I can't think of anything at the moment.

>>4613388
-Have Shuten attack while Archer gives supporting fire.
That's all I can think of right now.

>>4613388
Shuten on the attack with Rider supporting her with her Mystic eyes
Lancelot has C Mana so he should be petrified no problem and that way, the other servants can be at the ready if that either fails or if other alter servants come out of the woodwork

Should we run off into the temple and try to get to the grail while Shuten fights? We do have one more servant than them.

>>4613388
Have Saber distract him while Archer provides support fire.
Then while he is slowed down Shuten kills him.

>>4613416
>>4613417
>>4613422
>>4613466
>>4613508
>>4613597
>default "Watch Shuten" option
>Shuten attack + Archer ranged support fire
>Shuten attack + Rider Mystic Eyes of Petrification
>Shuten attack + continue rushing temple past Lancelot
>Shuten attack + Saber reveal to distract Lancelot (with/without Archer ranged support fire)
Seem to be the ideas thrown about so far. I'm not going to vote right now, and I got no other time to vote in the day, but I'll throw in my own suggestion regardless
>Shuten attack + Saber reveal to distract Lancelot + Caster Rule Breaker Lancelot
Lancelot seems exactly the same as he was in Fate/Zero, but we have to assume going by Diarmuid that he was Altered. If he was not and this is straight up Lancelot as he was at the end of Fate/Zero, then perhaps turning him to our side is an option? And reminder they did the hype song dirty, playing it for a shitty show-off play that wasn't even a real fight nor something to show anything serious about Lancelot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dmrr3DxUK4

>>4613720
>If he was not and this is straight up Lancelot as he was at the end of Fate/Zero, then perhaps turning him to our side is an option?
He is clearly blacked. And Caster should concentrate on bounded fields in my opinion. The sooner she hijacks them the sooner we will get an advantage in this fight.

>>4613722
Okay, thanks for clarifying that. WhatIs did write "corrupted by a great evil just as Lancelot himself has been.", though I didn't think he was Altered because "black steel clad giant that exudes a tremendous amount of energy" is already how he is as Berserker? On a second look at his artwork, it's more dark blue than anything else.
>sooner she hijacks them the sooner we will get an advantage in this fight
In the long run, that's what we need. I agree with you on that much. However, what are your thoughts on the rest of the suggestions? I feel like this is less a big fight and more a test of endurance where we need to play to our Servants' powers and skillsets wisely, expending them only where necessary. Rider's Mystic Eyes option should work as his Mana rank is C, opening him up to full-on stoning, but would there be another case regarding Altered Zero Servants with a similar weakness to exploit that would be more crucial to put down ASAP compared to Berserker Lancelot? And wouldn't Altering possibly alter Lancelot's stats to not be Mana at C, perhaps for the rest of them too? What about the other options? Discuss?

>>4613726
I feel that using Saber as distraction is mandatory since Lancelot is going to rush her no matter what.
Supporting fire by Archer would hopefully make it impossible for Lancelot to overwhelm Saber and together with distraction would make it easy for our Assassin to kill from invisibility. Or at least wound him grievously.
As for Medusa's eyes I would prefer to keep them hidden for now. They would be a perfect counter to Alexander's noble phantasm and perhaps to Hassan too. I am also not sure if she would be able to use them safely without hitting one of our servants since Lancelot is undoubtedly going to charge straight into a melee.

>>4613388
>>4613720
Supporting Shuten assassination + Saber reveal.

>>4613738
Do you mean this one? >>4613597

>>4613740
Yeah, I woke up at 5 AM. Misclick.

>>4613597
I'll support this option. Seems like the best with what we have.
>>4613720
Let's save Rule Breaker for Alter.
I want to see what happens.
Our very own Saber to bully Shirou's Saber with and for Medea to play dress-up with.
Also it's likely the temple servants all have A++ mana like Saber Alter so no petrification.
I think Lancer Alters magic parameter is hidden right now.

>>4613597
Supporting.

If we're going to support three mana hungry Servants and Medea we'll absolutely need the ritual.
I really want to steal Alter.

>>4613746
I believe we shouldn't contract any more servants. Every new servant diminishes our mana supply.
Considering that we are the only proper healer in our group putting more servants on us would be dangerous.
Of course, if ritual gives us more mana that won't be a problem but until then in case that we do acquire more servants we could contract them with Monica or Iliya.

>>4613597
Support

>>4613748
I'm hoping we get a Dragon Core, just so we can say we're quad cored due to how fucky our 4th dimensional circuits are.

>>4613738
>>4613720
>>4613597
Supporting Shuten + Saber + Archer coordinated attack against Lancelot.

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>>4613805
I hope you are not going to trow Arcueid at us.
We have so many overpowered creatures in one city that I am starting to doubt that there would be left anything but ruins after the war ends.

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>>4613836
I just like that gif, anon.

>>4613805
What the fuck...
We rollin dice now?
Nobody told me we were gonna be rolling DICE now!

"Saber! Archer! Support Assassin!" You yell out to the two Servants as Assassin finally materialzes and rapidly ascends the steps towards the blackened steel plated Berserker. Things proceed too quickly for you to actually see the reactions of your allies to the sudden appearance of Shuten, but the horns are a dead giveaway as to just who and what she is... Well, the fact that her recorded gender is incorrect is something that might help her true identity remain hidden for longer, but Archer would almost certainly recognize Shuten for exactly what she is from just a glance at the horns protruding from the top of her head, nevermind the sword in her hand.

Of course, whether or not Archer has figured out Shuten's identity from her appearance or the blade she's now wielding has very little bearing on the current situation, and it's actually Archer who makes the first attack against Berserker Alter, a barrage of shining arrows speed towards the guardian of the temple, swiftly overtaking even the charging Assassin and slamming right into the behemoth, or they would have, had the guardian not reacted with an unreal speed and cut each of the projectiles out of the air with almost no effort.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dmrr3DxUK4

Status Updated!

The momentary distraction is quickly capitalized on by Shuten, who follows up Archer's ranged attack with a leaping slash aimed towards Berserkers abdomen, before her strike connects however, Berserker has already recovered from his momentary distraction and intercepts her blade with his own, and there's a tremendous crashing noise as the two Servants clash, each with inhuman strength far surpassing the level of the other Servants currently present. The brief clash of blades ends when Lancelot shifts his grip on Arondight to a single handed one and uses his now free hand to smash his armored gauntlet into Assassin's face, sending her flying backwards down the stairs and only narrowly avoiding crashing into Saber thanks to Saber's almost precognition like Instinct. Amazingly, despite taking such an incredible blow, Shuten still has a cocky smile on her face. That same attack would've instantly killed any of your other allies with the exception of maybe Betty due to her personal skill, yet Shuten is seemingly barely even phased!

Though with his view no longer obstructed by the small but powerful Oni, there's nothing stopping him from noticing the target of his great rage charging right at him. Where against the normal Berserker Lancelot, Saber was overwhelmed by guilt, the only expression on her face now is one of cold hatred, and anger towards whoever is responsible for the corruption and staining of what was once the unrivaled knight of Camelot. Of course, despite the further degradation of his mental faculties from the corruption brought forth from becoming an altered Servant, Berserker is still more than capable of recognizing Saber.

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His duty to guard the gate forgotten immediately upon seeing the target of his undying hatred, Berserker leaps towards the King of Knights with unbelievable agility, appearing to simply disappear from the spot one moment and to be clashing blades with Saber in the next.

"Saber!" You can hear Shirou cry out his Servants name in worry as she once more crosses blades with the man who was once her most reliable warrior, even with her Mana Burst at full strength, it's about all she can do to keep up with the relentless assault of the corrupt Knight of the Lake, slash after slash raining down upon the hidden form of her blade, causing the very brick of the stairs she's standing on to begin to crumble under the unbelievable power behind each and every strike. The other Servants are holding back for now, unsure of whether to get involved or not, the only one who doesn't look happy about not getting involved in the fight is Lancer, but it's probably on Bazett orders that he's doing so, after all, there would be very little stopping a Servant as powerful as Berserker from butchering the entire group of Masters if he managed to break through the front line and there was nobody guarding them, he's just too fast.

There's a flash of red light and Saber suddenly throws herself to the right as another projectile is let loose from Archer's bow, but this time, it's no ordinary barrage of arrows. No, you'd recognize this attack from anywhere as it leaves a streak of red light behind it as it flies. Hrunting. Unbelievably, even this much is insufficient, and Lancelot dodges out of the way of the Broken Phantasm arrow, however what Lancelot wasn't counting on was for the arrow he just dodged to rapidly adjust its course in mid air and begin speeding towards him again.

The black knight has no choice but to strike the arrow out of mid air the next time the piercing tip of the sword turned arrow is about to hit him, but in doing so he leaves himself wide open for an attack from his king! Unfortunately for you though, even being left open to an attack doesn't last long for a Servant like Lancelot, and Saber simply isn't fast enough to properly capitalize on the advantage offered to her, only managing to get a glancing blow on Berserker's armor that only shaves off some metal instead of biting into flesh and severing a leg as Saber had intended.

Lancelot roars in anger as Saber attacks him, but before he can retaliate, he is once more attacked, Assassin rejoining the attack, but this time she's not playing around, an aura of blazing heat radiating from the Oni as she strikes at Berserker, not even bothering with her sword this time and instead opting to attack barehanded. Berserker obviously hadn't been able to account for Shuten's increased strength from the activation of Oni-kind Demon, and the sharp talons of the oni plunge right through his armor and mangle his left shoulder, laughing maniacally as she attempts to quite literally tear his arm off.

The pain of the attack changes Berserker's priorities temporarily, and his next attack is a sword thrust that pierces right through the side of Assassin, who gasps momentarily in pain before once more being punted away with Berserker's now unrestricted left arm. Even when the shoulder is terribly mangled, it doesn't seem to have had any sort of effect on Berserker.

The battle is going well and your victory is basically certain, but already you've taken too long with the guardian of the temple. You need to finish this battle fast, and Berserker is tenacious enough that you're going to need something that is sure to kill him. A quick glance at Medea tells you that she's obviously preoccupied with something, her eyes closed and her expression one of intense focus. It's likely that she's attempting to dismantle the magical protections put upon the Temple, so she can't be relied on to help in this battle.

>Ask a Servant to use their Noble Phantasm. (Who and which of their Noble Phantasms?)
>Ask Rider to use her Mystic Eyes on Berserker?
>Ask Betty to use her Mystic Eyes on Berserker?
>Write-in...

>>4613911
Wonder if Betty could try to unleash her np

>>4613917
I remember her saying that we wouldn't like her NP.
Whatever it's effects are it's probably extremely destructive.
Using it now would probably harm our squad.

Would Lancer's NP pierce through Lancelot's armor?
If the answer is "yes" than we should ask him to use it.

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>>4613911
Lancer's turn, unmissable Gae Bolg time. Even if Luck E were to fail him as it did in Stay/Night proper, Alter Lancelot would at the very least be distracted enough to be open for another attack. Rider and Betty need to save their Mystic Eyes for the remaining Altered Servants and possibly Manaka as a secret weapon.

>>4613911
>>Ask a Servant to use their Noble Phantasm. (Who and which of their Noble Phantasms?)
Ask Lancer to Gae Bolg Lancelot.

>>4613911
Ask Betty to use her eyes on Lance. With him distracted the others should have a good shot as his back or finish off his left arm

>>4613932
What do her eyes do?

>>4613934
Makes the person targeted have a deep sense of hatred and disgust so much that they'll attack

>>4613937
No that's her Witch Trial that does that, her Mystic Eyes have an as yet unknown effect.
Witch Trial is currently sealed due to her inability to control it.

>>4613937
What would that achieve?
There are only our allies here. I am sure every one of them already wants to kill Lancelot.

Oh, and for anybody asking for Lancer to Lance Lancelot, could you please clarify which of the Gae Bolg's abilities you want him to use?
The Thrust or the Throw?

>>4613947
Are there any differences between them besides activation distance?

>>4613911
>>4613947
Nevermind. I just looked it up.
I vote to ask Lancer to use a meele version of Gae Bolg.

>>4613949
Yes.
Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death is the ability that is activated through the thrust which messes with causality in order to always strike the heart, and Soaring Spear that Strikes with Death is basically an undodgeable carpet bombing.

>>4613956
Barbed spear

>>4613947
>>4613956
>Asking Lancer to do anything.
Oh man, I know how this is going to end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gKf7RtrUys

>>4613956
>>4613908

barbed spear

>>4613956
Barbed spear

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A moment of silence for F/SN Assassin, who sadly can't be here for the massive battle occuring on the temple steps.

>>4614004
F, he's too good for this world. Or maybe we should ask Medea to make him, dunno.

>>4613911
>>4613956
I'll go with the Barbed Spear.
>>4614004
Oof.

>>4613956
Support Barbed Spear

>>4614004
It's fine, he's saving france. Besides, he'd solo Manaka and all of her servants if he was here anyways.

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So, if you don't mind my asking, what did you think of the combat scene?
Was it enjoyable?
It's just that combat is especially hard to get written well and I'd like to have some feedback if you have any.

>>4614061
I'm liking it. Just waiting to see if you have the chops for a intimate scene if it comes to that. Also Manaka when?

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>>4614061
I was going to comment that I really liked how you write the fight on the stairs so far. I could picture the Ufotable-tier movements and quick paced attacks from the servants. Your characterizations of the servants and masters aren't out of character at all too. Except for Shinji of course since we have obviously possessed him since childhood to not be a dick. It was worth the wait!

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>a intimate scene if it comes to that
Eh, we'll see.
If it does come to that, I've half a mind to get blackout drunk before unleashing myself upon a keyboard and posting the result somewhere after editing it.

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>>4614063
>Manaka when
I think QM is going to keep teasing us about Manaka until the end. The Manaka memes have been going on since the beginning of the story to the point where conspiracy theorists believed in the Monica = Manaka theory. At least QM included the 6 Alter Servants coming back from the dead, I thought that this was one of the cooler plot points from Prototype.

>>4614068
I expect us to at least lose our virginity. I don't think we've even kissed yet

>>4614109
Imagine being a speedreader. Couldn't be me.

>>4614109
Didn't we kiss Medea?

>>4614111
>>4614112
It's been forever since this quest resumed. Sorry if I forgot some things

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Potiential girls to coom in for the ero-gei people. I think this is everyone.
>Wormpit
>Loli (Good luck convincing everyone she's legal age).
>Servant Loli (See above)
>Maid (Iliya would be offended that you didn't choose her)
>Medea (Ara ara)
>Monica (See above)
>Shuten (Don't ask her for a BJ without a command seal)
>Touko (You wish we got an Aoko route didn't you?)
>Medusa (She would only do it if you threesome with wormpit)
>Manaka (You will never be her Arthur)
>Atrougue (You'll become a vampire forever, could be a pro or a con depending)
>Satuski (She's as MIA as her route in the original Tsukihime. When was the last time we talked to her anyway).
>Shirou (For Shirou-fags, I know that they are probably lurking and want the gay with him still).

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>>4614074
> I think QM is going to keep teasing us about Manaka until the end.
We will meet Manaka in the temple I believe.

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You guys are putting alot of faith into E-Rank Luck's Undodgeable Instant Kill.

>>4614130
Somebody should post that Shinji and Betty pasta from that one thread. The one I wrote.

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>>4614208

>>4614207
Like I said, even if we miss it would leave Lancelot open for another attack. Shuten successfully severed one of his arms and his remaining arm is crossing blades with Saber.

>>4614217
She only fucked up his shoulder and it didn't have any effect on him.
>Even when the shoulder is terribly mangled, it doesn't seem to have had any sort of effect on Berserker.

>>4614217
She really didn't tear it off, and wouldn't it be better have her debone him? It wouldn't be pretty but it sure would be effective.

>>4614221
Oh my bad, well his other arm probably isn't going to be at 100% usability at least.

>>4614207
Let's see how it plays out. It'll help determine things for the future, and it's not like him actually landing it is the purpose.

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Rolled 573 (1d1000)

Well, probably won't be getting the update finished tonight, but relying on luck, are we?
Interesting.

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Rolled 22 (1d100)

Very interesting...

>>4614279
shinji's "bad luck" is really just him losing to Protagonist Rank EX ++

and also him being shit in the first place

>>4614286
Catch 22? It's not looking good for blue boi.

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>>4614293
>It's not looking good for blue boi.
I mean, to be fair, is it ever?

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>>4614288
>Has a bunch of servants at his disposal because he convinced everyone to give up their servants on his floor to him.
>Only uses Francis Drake against Nero and totally not self insert blank slate.
He deserved the loss.

>>4614299
There are 3 servants distracting his target.
He can't possibly fuck it up.

>>4614313
Hahahaha.
Sure.

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>>4614299
He has his good moments ...in a another universe ...and he was younger.

>>4614304
I hate umufags

>>4614352
I tolerate Nero, but she's clearly just a bustier, more chipper and green eyed Artoria. There's one thing we can count on Fate to do in that there will be more new Saber faces every year. Heck, Arcueid looks like a Saber face now.

Lancer better not fucking die.
He's too cool for that.

Ok, Manakabros.
If it is Manaka at the temple and she's hostile, how do we persuade her to be a waifu?
She's the sort of person that even if she does consider somebody attractive she'll put them in a cage and kill all the women in their life.

>>4614998
You can't persuade her. Manaka is yandere for Arthur.
There is zero chance of her being intrested in anyone else.

>>4615012
She likes Arthur because of fairytale nonsense.
Besides, he doesn't exist in this timeline anyway.
We on the other hand are actually capable of seeing things from her perspective in a way.
Both of us being immensely powerful and knowing secrets we definitely shouldn't know.
She should at least be interested in a chat to an entity that probably didnt originate from the Root.
I'm thinking we ought to at least try to befriend her

>>4615014
Have you read Prototype? Manaka is insane. Her only goals are summoning the Beast and the destruction of the world.
Even if she were interested in talking with Shinji she would not change her goals no matter what.
>Besides, he doesn't exist in this timeline anyway.
She is also not supposed to exist in this timeline. Arthur is as real for her as she is for us.

>>4615020
Manaka is insane because she wants to help Arthur fulfill his wish. She's using Beast as a battery or something.
She's not unlike us, massively immoral and will sacrifice any number of people she doesn't care about.
>Arthur is as real for her as she is for us.
So... fictional?

>>4614998
This is literally the reason WhatIs stopped writing in the first place, how about we don't try to romance the main villain of the setting, whose sole goal is utter annihilation?? I'm not looking forward to this quest going MIA because of you coomers.

>>4615026
Unlike us she intends to kill everyone in the world.
I believe that goes against our goals,
>So... fictional?
Exactly. We have been working Shinji's ass off for the sake of fictional people for the past decade. Do you really think she is going to give up on Arthur just because he doesn't exist in this timeline?

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>>4615014
This isn't the first time Manaka was summoned into another world where female Saber was canon. Manaka still clearly remembered Arthur, and still preferred being with him over Artoria. But liked being with a version of him at least.

>>4615059
All this proves is that the Otome game villainess isn't a lesbian, and that was kind of obvious
It does prove she doesn't suffer complete Oneitis though.
Wonder what she thinks of her Altered Saber.

I wonder who the unknown Servants are.
Like, the second set Ibaraki is in.

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>>4615085
My head theory is that second set Saber is Richard from Strange/Fake. A-san is canonically living in Fuyuki during this time, and if Manaka exists in this iteration of the grail war, "A-san" Ayaka could become a participant too. It would be funny seeing Richard fanboy over getting to meet his idol.

>>4615095
Second Saber is confirmed to be Mordred I believe.

>>4615097
I don't know if QM confirmed that, but I saw another anon also theorize the second Saber could be Mordred too. Mordred and Artoria's interactions would be fun too.

>>4615098
Here is a direct quote:
"Well, later on, I saw what I can only imagine was a Saber wearing full plate armor and a helmet that concealed their face. They didn't have their Master with them though, and they seemed to be looking for a fight. So I didn't stick around too long to observe them in case they somehow spotted me." Understandable, Servants almost all have superhuman senses, so sticking around to observe one is just asking to get yourself caught and executed for spying. "All I remember about this Servant is that there were a few red accents on their armor. It was too dark to get a good look at them, sadly.

>>4615101
Could be either with just that much.
Maybe Richie Rich was wearing his helmet.
Most Sabers theoretically should have one.

>>4615116
I agree that it's not guaranteed to be Mordred, but I really doubt that it's Richard.
First he never wears a helmet. I don't think he has one.
Second it would be out of character for him to patrol streets with his sword drawn just looking for a fight like that.
In any case, we don't have a solid proof either way.

I’m thinking it’s Mordred just for the red accents to their armor

Imagine if it is Mordred.
Two Sabers to rage at.
Also Gilgamesh is going to have fun.

All these savers and knights showing up, it makes me hope Merlin appears or Bedivere

"Lancer! Use your Noble Phantasm! You're our best bet at finishing this now!" You realize that Lancer's Noble Phantasm may just be the quickest and cleanest way that you can put an end to the Berserker without wasting any more time. The instant kill effect of the Gáe Bolg shouldn't be easy to overcome even for a Servant with a Luck Parameter as high as Berserkers.

The disappointed Lancer looks vindicated at your request for him to join the battle, and happily twirls his spear about his head before getting into position, Lancelot still distracted by the three Servants he is mostly holding his own again. "You want me to use my cursed spear, huh? Under normal circumstances, I'd only let my Master order me around like this, but I suppose I'll make an exception. Now then..." The cursed spear begins blazing with a terrible red energy as Lancer prepares for his thrust.

Berserker is seemingly too distracted to even begin to respond to the entrance of Lancer, not that it would make much difference at this point. "I'll take your heart! Gáe Bolg!" Lancer roars the name of his Noble Phantasm as he launches towards the altered Berserker, and to an onlooker, it seems as if Berserker actually moves into the path of the spear in his attempt to dodge out of the way of it, it seems that even while being outnumbered three to one, Lancelot is still fast and skillful enough to be able to respond to the entrance of a third combatant, however against Gáe Bolg, it's not good enough.

The spear plunges through Berserkers chest, just above where his heart would be and the Berserker freezes up for a moment. Lancelot leaps backwards once again and his spear tears itself loose of the lethal wound it created, zipping around in the air for a few seconds before landing back in Lancers hands. Lancer doesn't look at all pleased by the result of his attack though, he speaks through gritted teeth as his eyes are a blaze of fury. "Impossible, how could the Gáe Bolg miss?"

Before Berserker can truly recover from the new wound, he suddenly finds himself with two additional wounds to the back, as a white and a black blade finish arcing through the air and deeply cut into Berserkers back, rending the metal and remaining stuck in the relatively more defenceless flesh underneath. When did Archer even find the opportunity to throw Kanshou and Bakuya? You suppose you haven't really had your eyes on him during the fight, but that's some damn good timing. "Tell me, Lancer, has that cursed spear of yours ever actually done what it's supposed to?" You can hear Archer not-so-subtly mock his blue haired spear wielding rival from behind you. You can share his sentiment too, Gáe Bolg sure does seem to miss a lot.

"I'll shove this cursed spear of mine right up you-" Lancer is cut off from finishing his crude remark towards Archer as Lancelot once more lets out a roar of anger, louder than before, as he finds himself unable to defend himself against the Servant who has chosen herself to be the one to land the lethal blow on the Knight of the Lake.

Lancelot's spiritual core is simply too damaged for him to be able to defend himself against Saber's attack, and you can see Saber mouthing an apology to the Berserker as dispels the enchantment placed around Excalibur to render it invisible and plunges her blade through the rogue knights heart. Finally, the knight goes limp and fades away into what looks like particles of inky black soot. Not at all like the golden motes of light you were expecting to see when a Servant returns to the throne, but you suppose this is likely just an effect of the blackening process.

With the guardian of the gate defeated, there is now nothing preventing you and your allies from entering the temple proper. Remarkably, you managed to defeat a Servant as powerful as Lancelot without having any of your Servants suffer from any wounds that might hinder them later on! Needless to say, your spirits are high at least, and while Saber does look a bit miserable at having to once again kill one of her closest friends, even in these circumstances, it probably worked out as best it could.

Before you give the go-ahead for the Servants to actually storm into the temple grounds, you decide it would probably be for the best to ask Medea about the Bounded Fields and whether she's had much luck with disabling any of them. "How are things going, Medea?" You keep your question short, and Medea opens a single eye to look at you, obviously still trying to maintain her focus despite conversing with you.

"Somewhat well, there are a truly incredible number of Bounded Fields upon this temple, some of which even I can't discern the true purpose of! It pains me to admit this but the person who created these bounded fields has surpassed me in knowledge..." she pauses for a moment, lost in thought. "I can only imagine we're up against somebody who specializes in Bounded Fields, or in a worse case, a magus superior in skill to me... perhaps even a deity with authority over magic!" Those words give you momentary pause, the last thing you need to be dealing with right now are actual honest to God... uh, gods. Things are really complicated enough without the interference of deities. "However, I've managed to disable every bounded field created with the intent to weaken or kill intruders, that much I can tell." Well, that's a relief, it sure would suck if you all just started to fall apart or melt the moment you made it inside, after all, if they are on a level of Bounded Fields superior to even Caster, then the replication of something like Bloodfort Andromeda ought to be entirely possible for this adversary.

>Continue the charge! (Shuten is default charge leader, specify if you want it to be somebody else)
>Write-in...

>>4615265
>>Continue the charge!
But heal her first.

>>4615265
Send in something our foreigner makes. Bullshit there’s not some kind of failsafe

>>4615265
Have Betty send a small familiar forward to scout. I'm talking like fly sized.

>>4615265
Supporting scouting. Even if the fields are ACTUALLY dealt with there might be other traps set up.

>>4615265
>>4615273
Alright I will also support sending a scout created by Betty.

>>4615265
Send a familiar from Betty, Manaka is a near true magic level mage, she would definitely set up additional traps. Plus Hundred Face would take the opportunity to target Masters if we just waltz in and get entrapped.

Oh my god we're about to die aren't we?

>>4615366
What makes you say that?

>>4615366
That is why we're sending in a familiar first and not letting our Servants go on. We should also make sure at least one Servant is with the group of Masters at all times. At least until Hundred Face is dealt with.

>>4615376
The fact that this is Fate?
Nobody ever wins against the enemy on the first appearance.

>>4615380
Assassins are shit.
Especially hundred faces.
They aren't the threat.
It's gonna be something out of left field.
I remind you Kirei fucked up Cursed Arm and Baz is stronger than Yorokobe.
So is Monica.

See, I want to get started writing on the next update, but I also want to wait in order to give everyone a chance to vote.

>>4615366
So I was thinking if the thing inside the grail can bring dead Servants back to life, what's stopping it from just doing it again?

>>4615273
+1

>>4615336
+1

>>4615336
Supporting

Alright, here's a question for everyone.
Would you prefer in the future for me to take the result of a vote as soon as there is an obvious majority, or wait for long enough that I can be sure everyone has had a chance to vote?

>>4615613
Majority

>>4615613
I think 3 hours is enough to vote for everyone who is enthusiastic about the quest.

>>4615613
The Majority option would be fine, I feel like most of the active players so far don't have any major disagreements about the course of the story or what we want to do. Other than which female to romance obviously.

>>4615613
Majority

>>4615613
I think majority is fine for now.

"Wait!" You call to stop the charge before the Servants ahead get any ideas. "We need to make sure that we aren't about to walk into a trap." You're wasting precious time here, and you don't know if it's truly worth the risk of allowing yourself to be set upon by whatever other Servants are within the temple right now in scouting out the interior of the temple, but you could very easily find yourselves walking right into a trap if you just venture inside without at least trying to ensure if it's safe or not. Medea by herself isn't adequate, she pretty much already said so herself. Whoever is behind this temple is a better magus than she is, at least in some regards. "Betty." You call to your first Servant, who has been loyally standing by your side this entire time, ready to defend you, it seems. You feel a little bit guilty about getting too caught up in the fight to properly take note of her presence. "Can you quickly make something to check inside the temple to see if we're going to be walking directly into a trap or not?" It's a long-shot, but Betty's familiar creation ability doesn't seem to have failed her in any real way just yet.

Your Servant gives you a wordless nod as she gets to work on crafting a brand new familiar with her truly bizarre ability, shadows seem to swirl around her and begin amassing in front of her before a new lifeform is suddenly created before your very eyes. In her hand perches what seems to have the basic body of a swallow with four wings, yet the skin of the creature is scaly and reptilian, and instead of feathers, the folds of the wings seem to be composed of a slimy looking nearly translucent material. The head of the odd birdlike creature has no features on it other than dozens of tiny blood red eyes, positioned like a band as they circle the entire face of the creature.

Moments after being created, the creature takes flight with an erratic flight pattern, zipping past Shuten with incredible speed as it covers the distance between Betty and the temple gate with remarkable speed, almost on par with one of Archer's arrows. You can't track it at all with unreinforced eyes, and by the time you even think about using magecraft to improve your perception, the creature is long gone.

Just as you're about to ask Betty just by which method this creature of hers is supposed to actually scout out the temple, your head begins to throb with pain. You can see dozens of images of the temple burn themselves into your mind all at once, like a hundred pictures taken with a camera were uploaded directly into your brain. You let out a small sound of pain involuntarily as you are almost overwhelmed by the intensity of the pain, but you seen get yourself back under control and begin to focus on the multitude of what appears to be screens of red tinted video feed you can see without... actually seeing. It's a bizarre effect, but it's about what you've come to expect when you're dealing with the more odd variations of magecraft like with Servants such as Betty. Even so, it's still more than you were expecting.

You quickly scan through the scenes to see just what the situation within the temple is, and remarkably, you see the place is completely empty! There's not a single Servant in sight within the images you can see, and what's more, nothing looks out of place either! Yeah, there's no way that there isn't an ambush waiting for you the moment you walk through those gates, but just what could it be? Assassin would be useless by themselves, even with their superior numbers, all that means is that a single Assassin is a hundred times weaker than an average Servant, and more on the level of a somewhat powerful Master than anything else. So if your opponent is planning some sort of ambush with Assassin alone, they are going to be in for a painful surprise on just how limited a Servant the Hundred Faced Hassan is. But what else could their plan be? There aren't any humans in sight either. You can only imagine they are all either asleep or being kept unconscious, though it's possible that they've all been killed as well, you suppose. Though that would be an idiotic move, the presence of those humans in the temple is just about the only thing keeping you from asking Saber to shave a few meters off of the top of this mountain with Excalibur.

The images fade from your mind as you notice the odd creature make it's way back to Betty at a rapid speed before perching atop her head. It's about the best view of the situation you're going to be able to get, but you just can't shake the feeling that something is going to go terribly wrong the moment you step through those damn doors.

>Send in a Servant to see what happens, though be prepared to have the others support them immediately (Send in who?)
>Just go in as a group, whatever happens, it's best that you all stick together to best fend off whatever is in store.
>Have Archer and Caster bombard the interior of the temple through the gate. It's possible that some grand illusion is being weaved, after all.
>Write-in...

>>4615865
Glass 'em

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>>4615865
I'm not taking any risks with a nearly True Magic tier magus. Archer, Caster its time to do what you do best, ranged bombardment.

>>4615865
>>Have Archer and Caster bombard the interior of the temple through the gate. It's possible that some grand illusion is being weaved, after all.
I hope we won't kill Avenger with that attack.

>>4615886
Avenger was made to kill Gil, chances are he could tank an Ea blast. Avenger will be fine for the most part.

Trust our instincts and bombard the place
>Have Archer and Caster bombard the interior of the temple through the gate. It's possible that some grand illusion is being weaved, after all.

>>4615865
>>Have Archer and Caster bombard the interior of the temple through the gate. It's possible that some grand illusion is being weaved, after all.
Eh, why not?

>>4615865
>>Have Archer and Caster bombard the interior of the temple through the gate. It's possible that some grand illusion is being weaved, after all.
>And Monica too for good measure, and whoever else wants to.

>>4615885
You know, simply being "Near" True magic isn't that impressive, Caster, EMIYA and Shirou are all magi close to true magic, after all, in one way or another.
Avalon is outright superior to it.
Bloodfort Andromeda is also near the level of True Magic etcetera etcetera.

>>4615898
What about us?
How close to true magic is Shinji Makiri?

>>4615901
That would be telling.

>>4615901
We are true magic

>>4615898
Avalon allowed Saber to tank EA so I feel like that isn't a fair measurement since even Aoko Aozaki probably won't be able to tank EA. Emiya and Shirou are only powerful in the right circumstances, and without their reality marble they aren't that impressive. Caster is definitely a scary opponent though, able to turn servants against you if she had enough mana to support them. I just don't want to underestimate the person who is capable of raising dead servants, and six of them no less. As well as being able to subdue and potentially turn a custom Gilgamesh killer against us.

>>4615904
Its too bad we specialize in healing, we could theoretically school Manaka in a pure magic fight if we specialized in offensive magic.

>>4615919
We specialize in assigning, removing and modifying object's properties.
Our proficiency in healing is just a by-product of our unique magic.
Theoretically we could kill anyone as long as we can maintain physical contact with them for like a minute.

>>4615865
>Have Archer and Caster bombard the interior of the temple through the gate. It's possible that some grand illusion is being weaved, after all.

>>4615273
>Have Archer and Caster bombard the interior of the temple through the gate. It's possible that some grand illusion is being weaved, after all.
Hopefully neither get severely injured assuming that the enemy is actually planning something.

>>4616033
Oh wait replied to the wrong post. Oops, meant to reply to >>4615865

>>4615865
>Have Archer and Caster bombard the interior of the temple through the gate. It's possible that some grand illusion is being weaved, after all.

>>4615913
You don't get the point I was making, the term "Near True Magic" is utterly meaningless because it gets bandied about to make a lot of things seem more impressive than they actually are. Things like Bloodfort are comparable to True Magic.
So are Command Spells.
Caster is actually capable of True Magic from the Age of Gods but not capable of learning the Five True Magics of the Modern Era for... reasons.
Besides, certain beings that are properly connected to the Root are superior to True Magic, beings like Void Shiki, for example.

>>4615865
Bombard them!
Die Assassin, die! Dieeee!

>>4615865
>Have Archer and Caster bombard the interior of the temple through the gate. It's possible that some grand illusion is being weaved, after all.
There's nobody that we saw, an impossible thing. Fuck that.