The Grail War continues, and you're about to undergo a dangerous assault.You are Shinji Makiri, Ten years ago you suddenly found yourself with the memories of a complete past life that saw this world as a fictional story due to some unprecedented form of inter-dimensional transportation. Since that day, your new composite being has been working to change the grim future laid out for you.To that end, you have done much, involving yourself with events and situations that have shifted the future away from the one that you once would have faced and instead onto one of uncertainty and chaos.The Fifth Holy Grail War lies ahead of you, and the challenge and danger it represents to you, the people you care for and the world itself is far greater than you could have ever predicted. Though the grail might be corrupted and the war itself might be a sham, the stakes couldn't be higher.Archive of Paradox Reincarnator: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Fate/Paradox%20ReincarnatorGeneral Archive: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=WhatIsAQMStatus Menu: https://pastebin.com/LhUfnHD2
"Now, let's get to it, shall we?" The words you speak to your allies seem to echo around the room as you make a somewhat reckless declaration in confidence. Of course, you're aware of just how much could go wrong with undertaking such a dangerous mission, but even with that potentiality, you simply have so many powerful Servants aiding you that it's honestly pretty difficult to imagine yourself losing. While your opponent might have their own Servants to attempt to fend you off with, you know for a fact that none of the Servants they seem to have access to have any especially defensive Noble Phantasms, so you shouldn't need to worry about Ryūdō Temple suddenly becoming an impenetrable fortress that no attack functions on. Well, you suppose such a thing wouldn't really matter even if it was the case. You have no doubt that Excalibur would be more than capable of blowing away any sort of Fortress +-type Noble Phantasm."Aren't you feeling a little too confident, are all the Servants you're collecting giving you a boost in confidence?" Archer asks with a somewhat unimpressed tone in his voice. You don't know if it's disapproval of your confidence or just disapproval of the plan in general. Though if Archer thinks he can comment at all on your plans when his grand plan is a doomed attempt to remove himself from something outside of conventional time and space through some sort of convoluted double paradox, he really doesn't have much of a leg to stand on. "I still believe that we might be served better by attempting to find out more of our enemies capabilities before rushing in like fools." You see him momentarily glance at his younger self for a few moments as he says that. Though that's not really something you have as much of a problem with, there's a reason that the bad endings in Fate/Stay Night far outweigh the good ends in number, and it probably has something to do with Shirous predisposition."What's the matter, Archer? Getting cold feet?" Lancer jeers at his ally, clearly Lancer is not sharing Archer's caution. The two Servants seem to refrain from bickering any further only after both receiving cold glares from their respective masters. It's amazing how despite the massive difference in power between the Servant and the Master that merely the threat of retribution is enough to quell the bickering of the two. Of course, this is almost entirely due to the contract of Servant and Master they share. It's kind of odd that nobody seems all that interested in Shuten, but you suppose that there's more important things to worry about than proper introductions, especially when they are practically guaranteed to go poorly thanks to Shuten's actions before she became your Servant. No, it's best to leave her in spiritual form.
Rin takes the opportunity to speak after silencing her own Servant. "I do think Archer has something of a point. It might be wiser if the Masters held back from directly entering the combat on this occasion and instead allowed the Servants to go on ahead and clear the enemies from the area before we follow, I might be confident in my skills, but I can tell that even I'm probably going to be more of a hindrance than a help in a large scale battle of Servants." Rin has a rare moment of acting relatively modest about her own skills, though honestly, when you're surrounded by Servants, you'd need one hell of an ego to remain completely confident in your own combat skills. Especially when you don't have what are effectively cheat skills like Shirou, Bazette, Sakura or even yourself. Rin is simply a very good magus with potential to be one of the best on the planet as she learns. But at her younger age, she's kind of outstripped in usefulness by the people who are horribly overspecialized and suited to fighting, not including yourself, of course."But what if one of our Servants needs our help?" Shirou doesn't sound too happy about that plan. "We might not be able to help our Servants physically fight against their enemies, but we do have our command spells, right?" Shirou shows his three remaining command spells to help punctuate his point. "That's an advantage that I don't think the Servants at the temple will have... right?" Shirou is obviously just guessing, but he does raise a good point. Even if the Servants are somewhat equally matched, Saber and her altered variant especially, the power of a command spell would allow them to easily tip the scales."That's not a bad idea, Onii-chan." Illya speaks up to support Shirou, she should have the most technical knowledge of the grail war of anyone currently here, even more so than Caster, who currently resides at your side still in spiritual form. That might change should Caster actually get the opportunity to research the war, but until then, she loses to Illya massively on knowledge of the specifics of the war. "We shouldn't waste an advantage and risk losing by keeping away from the combat. I think it should be possible for me to retrieve Avenger and return him to my side if I'm close enough, especially now that the link has been strengthened again.""I can't agree with you putting yourself in harms way like that, Lady Illyasviel." Unsurprisingly, Sella objects to Illya's intention of coming with you. While the maid might have been forced to accept Illya going off on her own if she had a Servant to protect her, it would be terribly dangerous for Illya to be close to such a dreadful battle with only her maids providing protection. Illya simply makes an annoyed sound at her maids attempt to shut down her plan, Illya is probably just going to ignore Sella anyway, she can theoretically just order her maid into letting her go, after all.
"I'm ready for anything." Bazette doesn't sound too fussed about the challenge ahead of you. Ever the cool and confident operator, she doesn't offer any sort of support or rejection of the plan either way. Looks like she's more than ready to accept whatever gets decided on. Well, you don't really know why you expected anything else from an Enforcer.Monica stretches for a moment before adding her own piece. "I'm not really sure how much help my magecraft will be against Servants, especially those with Magic Resistance, but I'm not going to back down from helping." Ever reliable, as you've come to expect from Monica. Though you don't really know how her attacks will function against Servants, the only real hope she's got of doing any damage to a Servant is to use a projectile with an innate mystery and super accelerate it, that way there shouldn't actually be anything for Magic Resistance to be able to nullify, as the magic would have already served its purpose in actually accelerating the projectile. Though you can't really test that theory without having Monica actually open fire on a Servant, and you'd rather not accidentally wound an ally just in case it actually does work and you end up with an injured Servant just before the big battle.You look at Saber, who has remained awfully quiet so far, despite having quite a personal stake in that one of the opponents at the temple is a twisted and evil counterpart of herself. "So, Saber, what are your thoughts on how we should go about this?" It can't help to have Saber's opinion on things, especially considering that her opponent may well be the most powerful Servant hiding out in the temple. She's going to need every advantage she can get in order to score a victory against Saber Alter, after all, and a command spell could easily shift the tide in her favor during a clash, and a moments advantage is all a Servant should need in a battle to end it entirely."I... I would prefer if my Master fought alongside me." Saber is surprisingly honest about things. Of everyone here, Shirou is probably the best at shrugging off otherwise fatal injuries thanks to Avalon, so long as it isn't immediately fatal. You are capable of similar with your own abilities too, but you aren't entirely sure just who has the better healing out of you and Shirou, right now though, you have spent so much of your energy that you probably wouldn't even be able to heal a small cut, never mind heal a missing limb. Still, Saber's wish to fight alongside Shirou is at least some evidence that Shirou isn't as helpless now as he might've been without your instructions. "If I am to take on my double, I shall need every advantage I can get ahold of." Looks like Saber doesn't really feel like a thematic battle against her dark side is a good idea.
"Well, why don't we just let Onii-chan decide?" Sakura looks at you, speaking for the first time. "He's the person who's gotten everyone together, so he's the leader, right?" It's nice to have Sakura's confidence to such a degree, but you do sometimes worry about disappointing her when she has so much riding on you being able to continue succeeding. She might have unrealistic expectations of you, but since when has something being realistic or not held you back in this world? "Rider agrees with me, don't you, Rider?" Sakura looks at her Servant, who nods slowly in agreement with her master. You don't know if Rider truly feels that way or if she is just agreeing with her Master. As a Servant, there's not really anything that Rider actually longs for... not that the Holy Grail can grant, anyway.There are a few murmurs, but everyone seems at least somewhat content to go along with whatever you intend. Of course, your decision may end up disappointing some of them, but both approaches have their own merits. Being able to keep everyone out of immediate danger is a boon, but it does come at the cost of them not being able to directly determine the state of the battle and react appropriately for their servant, with a command spell if needed. Of course, there's also the small problem that you're actually out of magical energy. It should recover in a few hours, but you aren't really sure if you can afford to wait that long...>Choose to attack immediately, there's no time to waste. Betty, Shuten and Medea aren't suffering any lack of magical energy anyway.>Put the attack off for a few hours more.>Use two of your command spells in order to refresh your own reserve of magical energy.>Write-in...AND>Take everyone to the temple.>Take everyone trained for combat to the temple. (Leave Sakura and the Einzbern at the mansion.)>Go alone with the Servants and leave a single Servant at the mansion to protect the Masters. (Which Servant?)>Write-in...Seeing as it's the first post, I'm not implementing my anti-samefagging measures just yet.
If I've got any cross-readers from Castlevania here, I've actually decided on a way to continue the story in a... well let's say an unconventional way. You ought to look forward to it, it should be a lot of fun.
>>4611212Replenish energy and take everyone trained for combat.
>>4611212>Choose to attack immediately, there's no time to waste. Betty, Shuten and Medea aren't suffering any lack of magical energy anyway.>Take everyone trained for combat to the temple. (Leave Sakura and the Einzbern at the mansion.)Quest is back.
>>4611212>Take everyone trained for combat to the temple. (Leave Sakura and the Einzbern at the mansion.)Ayyy, back at it again.
>>4611212Good to see you back boss.>>Choose to attack immediately, there's no time to waste. Betty, Shuten and Medea aren't suffering any lack of magical energy anyway.If only because 'muh finite resource' tells me to hold off on burning, and it doesn't take too much time should we need to later. More importantly>Go alone with the Servants and leave a single Servant at the mansion to protect the Masters. (Medea)Could go either way on this but I figure either we take everyone or leave with a guard, because leaving those two unguarded is just begging for an attack. I'm going with Medea for now If only because if someone does make moves against them can teleport out of there if more than can handle.
>>4611212>>Choose to attack immediately, there's no time to waste. Betty, Shuten and Medea aren't suffering any lack of magical energy anyway.We can burn the command spells at any time.>>Take everyone to the temple.Splitting our forces is a bad idea in my opinion. Ibaraki is very mad at us and her master probably knows where we live.>Seeing as it's the first post, I'm not implementing my anti-samefagging measures just yet.I hope you came up with something good.
>>4611212>Choose to attack immediately, there's no time to waste. Betty, Shuten and Medea aren't suffering any lack of magical energy anyway.>Take everyone to the temple.>>4611223I'm interested in how you've decided to continue it in spite of your misgivings.
>>4611212>Choose to attack immediately, there's no time to waste. Betty, Shuten and Medea aren't suffering any lack of magical energy anyway.>Take everyone to the temple.
How many command spells do we have? Wasn't it our arm and the crazy moving ones?
>>4611212>Use two of your command spells in order to refresh your own reserve of magical energy.Didn't we have like nine of these fucking things?Also I strongly recall our healing being linked to how much magical energy we have left.>Take everyone trained for combat to the temple. (Leave Sakura and the Einzbern at the mansion.)In the immortal words of Han Solo."I've got a bad feeling about this."
>>4611223Try not to let it descend into being super edgy for the sake of attempting to acquire monstergirl/chaotic pussy this time, ok?
Anybody else get the feeling we're going to fight the final boss early and are about to get fucking destroyed?Like trying to fight Lavos early.Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
>>4611530That's why I at least want to get some mana.
>>4611203Welcome back, OP! Hope you're doing well. Happy new year!
Do we have any task we would need Rider for? If not, we should leave her with Sakura and Illya as a guard with the extra perk of being good at running away with the car.
>>4611554Debuffs and instakilling low magic servants?
>>4611531I kinda think we should back out, but we've gone all in to such a degree that calling it off now would feel like a waste.
>>4611530I wouldn't say that this version of Manaka is end boss level. As far as we know she's been nerfed because she doesn't have Beast 666 at her disposal and her mana source of the Ryudou Temple pales in comparison compared to the Black Grail that gave the likes of Dark Sakura infinite and near True Magic levels of magical energy. The Zero servants are arguably stronger than the Fragments servant though with SAlter, Iskandar plus Hundred Face being problematic to deal with. It took the combined efforts of Ayaka, Proto-Saber, Proto-Archer, Proto-Lancer and possibly Proto-Rider to beat Manaka at her most powerful, I think our allies and servants we collected thus far would be sufficient in defeating a nerfed Manaka early. >>4611245Support, we have so many pro-level mages around, shouldn't somebody have a mana potion lying around. Especially an Enforcer like Bazett?
>>4611587>a mana potionWe've got so much magical energy max that a simple potion wouldn't do jack.Our only real hope would be a... uh.A tantric ritual with Illya or Sakura.Also IIRC fate mana potions are made from bodily fluids, normally reproductive fluids.
>>4611530If our opponent can raise the dead servants wouldn't it be a good idea to dispose of them as soon as possible?The longer they stay in the war the more powerful they will get.
>>4611613Odds are it takes a long time to resurrect dead servants.
>>4611623We are on a second (or was it third?) night right now and they already have 6 servants.
>>4611572Ah I forgot about the write in. If this is a dead end then yeah we'll think of a better strategy.
>>4611212backing >>4611245, glad to see you alive and well WhatIs>>4611223>decided on a way to continue the story in a... well let's say an unconventional wayWere you this guy in the /qtg/?>>4602916>>4602926>>4602959>>4603229I hope you're feeling a lot better after the hiatus, at least. My goals for both quests are still very simple:>keep at least one based and loyal non-love-interest ally all the way to the end>have at least one based any loyal love interest, which has at least one instance of sexytimes with the main character>main character "wins" in some way shape or form, or just survives the quest intact and able to move on in life for the better
>>4611587>shouldn't somebody have a mana potion lying aroundYeah its called sex
>>4611678We'll die a virgin probably.
>>4611681We died 3 times already. What's the big deal?
>>4611663>>keep at least one based and loyal non-love-interest ally all the way to the endI too wanna be bros for life with Shirou
Alrighty then!Vote called in 40 minutes.>>4611428Well, I'm not sure if the way I plan on doing it is going to please everyone, but it's really the natural progression of the story.>>4611663I may have been that guy.I was feeling kinda hopeless as to how I could continue the story, but I figured out a way that will definitely be interesting.>>4611635>we'll think of a better strategy.Now, not saying that this is a poor choice, but I want you to understand that not all poor choices are going to end up with a simple Dead End. Some will have far greater consequences...>>4611289>>4611536>>4611663Thanks, it is good to be back.>>4611685I wonder if somebody tallied how many times Shirou dies a virgin in the dead ends of F/SN.
>>4611744Yeah I expect someone to die pretty soon.
>>4611747Why don't we use the Wheel of Death to find out who?Lancer sold seperately.
>>4611805Thanks, I was giving myself a headache trying to decipher what was on the wheel while it was spinning
I can't start writing for another thirty minutes so consider the vote time extended till then.
>Replenish>>4611245>>4611275>>4611282>>4611490>>4611549>>4611603>>4611663>>4611587>Attack now>>4611255>>4611255>>4611289>>4611334>>4611428>>4611435Looks like replenish wins.>Trained only>>4611245>>4611255>>4611270>>4611275>>4611282>>4611490>>4611549>>4611663>>4611587>>4611603>Leave Medea>>4611289>Take all>>4611428>>4611435Little later than I thought but uh, yeah, combat ready Masters only wins.
"First things first, before anything else..." You raise your arm and flare magical energy through your magic circuits, directed towards the marks on the back of your hand. You can feel the spiritual forms of both Shuten and Medea tense up very slightly through the connection you share with the two of them, whereas Betty remains completely uncaring of the sudden usage of your command spells. When you simply will the powerful spell to unmake itself in order to provide you with the potent energy held within it however, you can feel both the tense Servants relax. Though the energy held within the spell isn't enough to get you to a optimal level, so with a little more apprehension, you spend another of your command spells, feeling yourself almost completely replenished.There's very little reaction to your usage of your spells for energy around the table, though you can tell that Rin is more than a little jealous of the fact that you can easily afford to spend two command spells considering you had nine in total. The rest of your allies seem to be waiting for you to continue speaking, and after you've confirmed that you will be able to once again fight at almost your maximum, you do."Sorry about that, I just needed to restore my energy... or well, make sure that I could use my command spells to restore my energy, before I answered." You respond rather sheepishly, it's kind of rude to leave people hanging like that. "Now that I've confirmed that I can however, I've decided that we're not only going to attack immediately, but we're going to be bringing only the people who've been trained properly for combat." Sakura looks a little bit disappointed, while Illya has no reaction to your stated intention of leaving her out of the battle. Does she not... think that she's incapable of combat? She might have the magical knowledge for it, but when it comes to an actual battle, Illya simply wouldn't know how to respond. You sigh as you look toward the girl. "Sorry Illya, but that includes you. I'm going to need you to stay here with Sakura... as well as your maids." While they aren't as good as a Servant when it comes to a defense, defensively, they should be able to fend off most assaults while on your territory. You lost track of what some of the Bounded Fields you put in place on your home do, but needless to say that the overwhelming advantage would belong to the one with their support."But...!" Illya tries to formulate an argument into letting her come with you, and you can understand her frustration, she's basically being forced into being a non-combatant simply because she had the misfortune to lose her Servant to whatever lurks beneath the temple. It really could've been anyone who lost their Servant, even you, with all your knowledge of the evil that should be lurking under the temple, never thought to expect something greater to have emerged as a threat.
You interrupt Illya before she can try to convince you to let her come along. "It's too dangerous for you right now, Illya. But don't worry, if an opportunity arises, I'll have Caster teleport you right to us." You try to give her a reassuring smile in order to appease the girl, though you know it's really not going to work all too well. "Trust me, as soon as it's safe, you'll have your Servant back. That's a promise." You smile as you make your promise to the girl."Fine." Illya sounds as if she wants to finish her sentence with some sort of ultimatum or threat, but lacking any sort of overwhelmingly powerful Servant to back up her dangerous temper forces her to simply accept your conditions. You'll probably have to be more gentle when handling situations with her when she does have her Servant at her side, especially if she can get the apparently disloyal servant to actually follow her commands. Caster suddenly materializes from behind you, and you almost jump in surprise at the nearly immediate appearance. Even when you knew she was there, the natural instinct in your body to a threat appearing from nowhere sparked up. Of course, you know that Medea is of no threat to you, that's not to say she's incapable of being a threat to you, and more that she should have absolutely no inclination of becoming one. After all, you feel like she does enjoy your company. "Now, if we're going to attack immediately, may I make a suggestion?" You simply nod for her to continue. "I suggest that we make good use of my mastery of spatial relocation magecraft to get there. While I may not be able to teleport us all inside the compound, I can teleport our entire force close enough to the stairs that we will be able to overwhelm and destroy their gate guardian before he has a chance to receive reinforcements from within the compound!" Caster puts forward an all-out assault plan, though it's a little bare bones, you suppose it can't be helped. While you know the rough capabilities of the opponents you'll be up against, you can't guarantee that your enemy won't have somehow managed to summon Servants from the Third Grail War or even before in order to serve them. Your side should theoretically have the information advantage though, so long as you aren't thrown any total curveballs. The biggest of which being just what exactly is the cause of all this madness at the temple. Angra Mainyu by itself would be incapable of something like this and even Dark Sakura at the peak of her power was only capable of corrupting existing servants to serve her, nothing so ridiculous as to raise deceased Servants at a level of power nearly identical to before their death.
While there are certainly other methods you could use to get to the temple, none are so effective as immediately appearing right at your enemy's gate with no warning, and you aren't even really willing to even consider alternate solutions. Of course, you don't want to end up over reliant on Caster's ability to teleport you places, but in situations like this, you would be a fool if you were to leave one of your greatest advantages unused. "Agreed. A surprise attack is our best shot at victory, even if they should have some inkling that we're preparing an attack." You turn to face the rest of your allies. "Everyone, this is it. But before we attack, I'm going to need to have to choose somebody to... well, lead the charge at the temple gate, after all, we can't afford to attempt to just attempt to rush them with no strategy at all.">>Select the leader of the charge.>Saber>Lancer>Archer>Assassin>Rider>Write-in???If I see cause for concern of samefagging, the anti-samefagging measure will immediately come into play, in which only posts which reply to this post within an hour of it being posted and for an hour twelve hours after it has been posted will be counted.
>>4612125>ArcherEven though Saber and Lancer were kings, sneak attacks and strategy are Archer's thing
>>4612125>AssassinShe's giga strong and is the most expendable on the team.If she actually used her fucking Assassin concealment to get some sneak attacks in, that would be great, but we all know that's not how she fights.
>>4612135Forgot my image
>>4612135+1Shuten is also really tanky thanks to Battle Continuation A.
>>4612125Can I get some clarification on the anti-samefagging measures? I am drunk right now and I have trouble comprehending that information under spoiler.Is it an hour after post or twelve hours?Does it mean that votes that are within that time frame will be considered legitimate no matter what?
>>4612135Supporting this I guess.
>>4612144It's both.As in, all posts an hour from the moment I post the update will be valid.As will all votes that are posted in the hour twelve hours after the update is posted.I also reserve the right to ignore obvious samefaggotry if it occurs during the "valid" period.
>>4612149Okay thank you.
>>4612125Changing my vote from >>4612147 to >ArcherPutting Shuten in commanding position is a bad idea.
>>4612133>>4612173Supporting Archer. He's a counter guardian and has dealt with high level world ending threats to the counter force before. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an instance where the counter force sent him to a timeline where Ayaka failed to beat Manaka and he had to finish the job.
>>4612125>AssassinGiga stonk oni on par with Bersercules in stats and A++ rank Battle Continuation just screams tank.
>>4612133Supporting. Shuten will get us killed.
>>4612125>"Of course, you don't want to end up over reliant on Caster's ability to teleport you places..."WhatIs, don't think I didn't catch this. The entire quest ever since we got Medea on our side, I've seen you drop constant hints and mentions like this regarding her and relying on her powers. Too consistent and purposeful to be coincidence in writing, too. What, do you have a hidden stat where too much needless teleportation or other things from her leads to her betraying us, or feeling used and not contributing or some dumb shit? "If the count of X is greater than or equal to threshold Y, Caster starts plotting against Shinji for whatever reason(s)" or something?
>>4612125>ArcherShuten up front will cause us to fuck up and kill efficiency, which we need if we're to attempt a clean operation
I just thought of something. Why are we sending in a servant first in the first place. Didn't one of Betty's familiars fight on par with a servant last time we were here? Why aren't we giving her mana to make some sort of super tanky massive distraction familiar who's job is to bust in first, draw attention and provide cover as the far less expendable servants move in?
>>4612542We probably want her to swarm the later big bad. If we can take out one with a surprise attack we can save a ton of mana.
>>4612125>AssassinYeah lets put the nigh-unstoppable killing machine on the front line and leave the Archer who is slightly more durable than a pringle to actually use his fucking bow.Poor Deermud doesn't actually have a way to kill Shuten.
>>4612542Beaky was reinforced by our magic and still almost died the moment Lancer decided to get serious.Besides we are not choosing a distraction. We are choosing a leader for an assault squad.
>>4612125>>ArcherNot sure why people voting for Assassin. I don't remember her having any skills or feats related to strategy.
>>4612546>>4612549Seems like there's two lines of thought here. People reading it as us selecting the leader and people reading it as us picking who gets to go in first. Might be helpful to ask WhatIs to clarify, honestly.
>>4612549Because she's statistically the biggest beatstick.We're choosing somebody to lead the charge so why wouldn't we open with our strongest Servant?It's not like Archer could command the Servants to fight better than they themselves can decide.
>>4612551I mean, we're the leader aren't we?Also Cu would never accept orders from Archer.Nor would Shirou.Especially seeing as his orders would be made to kill Shirou.
>>4612553I'm just saying, that's what I'm seeing. People who want to pick Archer because he's got experience and is a good leader and people who want to pick Assassin because she's a beat stick who honestly should be going in first if we're not using a familiar.
>>4612549Shuten also has an instant kill np if it procs if it doesn't they're deboned at the very least she also has busted parameters thanks to fame boost and some good skills on top of that.
What if we boost our servants?
>>4612551>>4612552>>4612555I get that. I am not saying that Archer is stronger than Shuten.But considering that we are about to assault the main base of an unknown enemy it would be better to have a counter guardian who has experience dealing with all kinds of shit to be a formal leader for the assault squad.
>>4612557Archer has experience dealing with this sort of shit while functioning as a counter guardian.Counter Guardian EMIYA has effectively unlimited magical energy and can be continuously resummoned by Alaya if he's killed.Servant EMIYA doesn't. It's not worth comparing the two.
>>4612557You know what you raise a good point i thought that we were voting for who will do a sneak attack on the temple gate guardian. >>4612139changing my vote to archer then
>>4612563We ARE choosing the person leading the sneak attack.You don't have your tactician leading a charge do you?
>>4612565>We ARE choosing the person leading the sneak attack.Where did you get that? Medea is going to drop assault squad right on whoever is guarding the entrance.
>>4612567Because she can't teleport us in there, the assault will still need a spearhead.Shuten or Saber are the only acceptable options.
>>4612568I am not against adding Shuten to the squad. I am against making her squad leader.
>>4612570The person who "leads the charge' is the person at the front of the vanguard, the first person in and draws attention as everyone else follows behind.
>>4612570I don't think she will be squad leader, simply because getting servants to agree to take orders from other servants is a big no no.Also if it was about tactics why isn't Medea an option?She's one of the best tacticians we have.
>>4612574>But before we attack, I'm going to need to have to choose somebody to... well, lead the charge at the temple gate, after all, we can't afford to attempt to just attempt to rush them with no strategy at all.Then what is this bit about?As far as I can tell we are supposed to pick someone who won't "rush in without strategy". Shuten is the opposite of that.>>4612576Because Medea is the one who is gonna hijack bounded fields around temple. She can't do that and lead at the same time.
>>4612578It's saying we need somebody to lead the initial attack that everyone agrees on.We can't attack without deciding on that, otherwise the initial attack will be a complete mess.Shuten's lack of strategy is irrelevant when being used as a statstick.
>>4612579It seems we understand meaning behind this quote differently.I still don't get why did you call it a sneak attack tho.
We should hurry up and do the dragon blood thing.I want to make Illya invincible.
>>4612587>We should hurry up and do the dragon blood thing.I agree on that. We should make sure that Medea survives the temple assault.
>>4612588I just think it would be funny to give Shirou both better physical stats than EMIYA, but also a chance to get recorded by the throne as a Saber.
>>4612594Why Saber? He had archery skills from his club activities, so he qualified to become an Archer. But could he become a Saber without swordsmanship skills?
>>4612597Shirou picks up swordsmanship remarkably quickly.He can also copy Archer's homework.Only reason EMIYA doesn't qualify is his shitty physical abilities.
Honestly, what we need most are Servant level physical abilities. Getting ganked by any Servant instantly is the opposite of fun.
>>4612620Yeah. Servant level endurance at the very least.
>>4612622We are way too glass cannon-y right now.We should ask Caster for help after this.
>>4612629She already agreed to make a dragon blood ritual for us. If everything goes well we will be on the level of weaker servants.
>>4612631Wouldn't dragonblood make us stronger than most of the Servants?Look at Siegfried, he's ridiculously strong!
>>4612634The dragon that Medea summons is not the same as the actual dragons. I am not sure about details but she said that without ritual it's blood would do nothing at all. With ritual it will strenghten us but not to the level that the actual dragon's blood would.
>>4612637Why don't we improve the effect it has on us with Truth?Our magic is powerful enough to cause the advent of an actual goddess, after all.
>>4612639I think we should consult Medea first. It's her ritual after all, so she would know how to apply our magic in an efficient and safe way.>Our magic is powerful enough to cause the advent of an actual goddess, after all.Didn't Alaya melt us into puddle for that shit?
>>4612642I think that was Shuten doing that. I imagine Fuyuki probably got nuked by Alaya about half a minute after we died.Alternatively a genuinely baffled Gilgamesh would have dealt with the situation with Enkidu + Ea GG.
>>4612647We still don't know what state is Gil in.His energy supply got nuked two years ago so, I wonder if he is weakened at all.
>>4612650>weakenedProbably not.It is Gil.It'd be stupid to think he cant supply his own energy with the Gate.
>>4612650>>4612656>Gil That reminds me, I think Gilgamesh wouldn't want to miss seeing two Sabers fight for his own amusement. Won't Gilgamesh showing up to the temple throw a wrench in our plans?
>>4612650Also Gilgamesh is probably as strong as he was with Tokiyomi as his Master even without the church basement mana supply. Kirei didn't steal Lancer from Bazett, therefore he only has to support one servant and with the grail war going on there would be little to no change to Gil's power from his appearance in Zero.
>>4612662Hopefully Assassasin is enough to stall him.If we get lucky and manage to free Avenger before Gil shows up it should be relatively easy to fuck him up. Iliya said Avenger was capable of killing Gil after all.
>>4612666Illya is full of shit, Satan.Also the odds of a Servant with divinity delaying Gil when he's not just fucking around are very low. Zero, in fact.
>>4612125>ArcherThis time around I'll try to stay on wi-fi when voting to prevent being accused of samefagging.
>>4612704Shuten gets a boost from being on her home turf right?Surely if she gets a drop on him from invisibility she would at least wound him?
The anon who said that this was a vote about who's going to be spearheading the attack was correct.But if you really want to see Archer do it, then I must oblige.
>>4612726>>4612549I'll change my vote to Assassin then.
>>4612726No thank you
>>4612726>>4612705Changing my vote to Assassin as well, then. But it'd be funny if we called out Archer at first just to fuck with him.
>>4612726Changing to Assasin then, Archer might do something stupid like 360 no-scope Shirou.
>>4612726>>4612133yeah Shuten seems pretty expendable, i change my vote
>>4612726>>4612563ignore my vote change here then QM i thought i read things wrong.
Holy shit this is back? Can I finally escape my drunken WN binge?Probably not, but let's see how this plays out.
>all this talk about how expendable Shuten is.
>>4612905That's my waifu pictured. Maybe she'll come help lol
>>4612905Ibaraki would probably save Shuten's ass if the fight at the temple gets too hairy. That's what she did back at the alley where we "Rule Broke" her.
>>4612913that's actually a great point, if she looks like she's about to die, Ibaraki will line herself up for a rule break
Oh. Back already are we? God how I’ve missed this quest. Glad to see this quest back in action :D>>4612125Assassin. Probably one of the better servants to use for spearheading the attack.
Oh fuck we back, I should check the catalog more often.
You look over each of the Servants willing to go on this mission as you decide on just who would be the best at spearheading the assault, of course, there's only one real stand-out option among every Servant in your faction, and that's the Servant currently unmaterialized by your side. Yes, Shuten Dōji is easily the most suited for something like this. While you can't expect her to be proactive of her own accord, it's not like she'll have much of an opportunity to mess up leading a vanguard through her attitude to... well, everything. Shuten if she was given the opportunity would absolutely just spend the rest of the war getting drunk... well, more drunk than she usually is, at least."Because we need somebody both strong and durable in order to ensure that our attack is a success, I'm going to have..." You heave a sigh as you realize that what you're about to say is completely ridiculous and would have you dismissed as a complete idiot in any other circumstance due to just how weak Assassins are supposed to be. "...Assassin will be leading the charge."The rooms atmosphere changes as more than a few of your allies start looking at you like you've grown another head, and predictably, it's Rin who speaks up first. "Assassin? Are you sure you don't want Caster leading the charge? Or maybe you'd like to personally lead the charge?" She's mocking you, but despite having been a tad embarrassed about what you said mere moments ago, Rin's attempt to humiliate you has the complete opposite effect on you, and you simply smirk at her."I suppose you could have your Archer lead the charge, Rin, if you feel like my decisions are so poor." She shuts up really quite quickly at that. "Assassin is... well, she's unlike any Assassin you're probably thinking about when you hear the word. She's not one of the Hashashin, for one, and physically, her abilities are more on par with that of a powerful Berserker." You confess to just how much power that your Assassin is holding, and while you want to reveal that in a one on one battle that she would be able to crush effectively any of the Servants in the room, you refrain from doing so. You don't want it to become some sort of challenge to Lancer or any of the other Servants in the room, for that matter."Oh don't be ridiculous, there's no way that an Assassin could possibly be a match for a Berserker, aside from Caster, they are the physically weakest class!" Rin reminds everyone something they already knew, who does she think that she's info-dumping to? Well, maybe Shirou was unfamiliar with that piece of information, but it's something anybody with half a brain could figure out... Well, then maybe it's for the better that Shirou heard that.
"Of all the bizarre occurrences in this war, and you're going to pick a Servant being stronger than their class container should allow for as the thing you can't accept?" Dealing with Rin is really just completely exhausting sometimes, you know she means well, but she just goes about it in such a terrible way. It's pretty incredible that somebody like this has somehow managed to find herself at the position of the most desired girl in school. "Fine, I'll let you in on a secret about Assassin. In life, she wasn't actually a human at all!" It's a small admission about the identity of Shuten, and you realize that you're going to have to spill the beans about her identity fully at some point. You run your hand through your hair as you smirk as Rin. "So, do you understand? It's pointless to try to compare my Assassin's strength to the level of other Assassins because she's not subject to human limitations!" As you go off on a bit of a tirade, you see Rider fidgeting a little bit in the corner of your eye, clearly all this talk of non-human Servants not having the same limitations as other Servants is making her feel just a little bit inadequate. Though in truth, at her full strength as Gorgon, Rider would easily prove a more than adequate challenge to somebody like Shuten. Though if you told Rider that she'd be more useful as the Gorgon, she'd probably kill you on the spot.Regardless of what Rider thinks about it, you did at least manage to shut Rin up, who's sputtering as she attempts to come up with a response to your explanation, eventually, it's Archer who comes to her aid, having clearly had his fill of watching his Master flounder uselessly. For Archer, seeing Rin being consistently challenged on her knowledge must be quite the amusing situation, still, ever the gentleman, he comes to the rescue of his Master. "I do hope that this... non-human Servant of yours has their appetite under control now, Shinji." His voice hides a threatening tone, almost as if he's daring Shuten to come out to attack him... Though that's a failed endeavour, Shuten really couldn't care less about what somebody like Archer thinks about her. In fact, getting Shuten genuinely angry would probably be quite impossible for anybody not named Minamoto no Raikou. But the fact that it takes literally cutting her head from her shoulders to get her to truly hate you is some pretty outstanding evidence that basically nothing gets under Shuten's skin, she's just that carefree.
"Of course they do, Archer. Their method of gathering magical energy was mostly by the command of their Master, from what I understand." Of course, Shuten is one of the few Servants who would have absolutely no second thoughts about eating humans in order to sustain herself. It's practically in her nature to do so... not that she can't rise above those base instincts should she actually put her mind to it. The problem is actually getting Shuten to put her mind to... well... anything. "I can guarantee everyone here that Assassin will not be partaking in that particular method of gathering energy while I am her Master." 'Right?' You mentally reach out to the lazy demon.'Of course. If it was possible for somebody to shrug noncommittally entirely through a verbal form, Shuten just managed it. 'I'm surprised you want me to lead this charge though, Master. Do you just have that much faith in my abilities?' Shuten chuckles through the mental link when you don't answer her. While it's true that you have faith in her... at least in her strength, you don't actually want her to know that all too much lest you be seen as a groveler or something, and Shuten is one of the last Servants you want to make yourself seem like a weakling to, she's already betrayed one Master, practically on a whim, and there's no guarantee that she won't do the same to you if the opportunity arises. 'I'll take your silence as confirmation.' The lull in the room that began when you started mentally communicating ends when Medea speaks up again. "Well, is everyone ready to go? I do believe we are running short on time, after all." Medea reminds you of the haste you ought to be making, you are on a time limit with an uncertain end point, after all. Medea receives no opposition from anyone in the room, and you give her a nod to confirm that it is time to strike. She smiles as she says the activation word for the impossibly complicated magecraft that she wields with such ease.Tροψα!
You find yourself along with all your allies standing on the steps to the Fuyuki Temple, the entrance is just in sight and the Servants are beginning to get into formation, however, the first problem has arisen. The guard at the gate... isn't Diarmuid. Not by any stretch of imagination. Instead, blocking the path to the temple is a black steel clad giant that exudes a tremendous amount of energy, the legendary sword Arondight has already been drawn, yet it has been corrupted by a great evil just as Lancelot himself has been.You realize at the moment that you see Lancelot that things may be about to go very poorly indeed, Lancelot is a far greater challenge to overcome than you had been expecting, but Shuten is theoretically strong enough to defeat even the greatest of the Knights of the Round Table.You realize you only have a few moments before the attack begins as the Servants have already begun to rush up the few remaining stairs, and this is your last opportunity to do anything.>[Write-in plan]>Just watch to see how Shuten gets on.
This update is probably full of formatting errors, sorry, but I'm very tired right now.
>>4613388Lancelot is altered, but he is still in his Berserker form. Therefore he could still be blood lusted and easily distracted by Artoria. I'm kind of okay with letting Shuten have at it, presence concealment of C and her power boost from being in her homeland would at the very least damage Lancelot badly while he is screeching at Aaaaasaaaa. Even if we don't get the jump on him, I don't think using Truth Magic would be appropriate this early on.
>>4613388>Just watch to see how Shuten gets on.Not doing my do diligence is gonna get someone killed, but I can't think of anything at the moment.
>>4613388-Have Shuten attack while Archer gives supporting fire.That's all I can think of right now.
>>4613388Shuten on the attack with Rider supporting her with her Mystic eyesLancelot has C Mana so he should be petrified no problem and that way, the other servants can be at the ready if that either fails or if other alter servants come out of the woodwork
Should we run off into the temple and try to get to the grail while Shuten fights? We do have one more servant than them.
>>4613388Have Saber distract him while Archer provides support fire.Then while he is slowed down Shuten kills him.
>>4613416>>4613417>>4613422>>4613466>>4613508>>4613597>default "Watch Shuten" option>Shuten attack + Archer ranged support fire>Shuten attack + Rider Mystic Eyes of Petrification>Shuten attack + continue rushing temple past Lancelot>Shuten attack + Saber reveal to distract Lancelot (with/without Archer ranged support fire)Seem to be the ideas thrown about so far. I'm not going to vote right now, and I got no other time to vote in the day, but I'll throw in my own suggestion regardless>Shuten attack + Saber reveal to distract Lancelot + Caster Rule Breaker LancelotLancelot seems exactly the same as he was in Fate/Zero, but we have to assume going by Diarmuid that he was Altered. If he was not and this is straight up Lancelot as he was at the end of Fate/Zero, then perhaps turning him to our side is an option? And reminder they did the hype song dirty, playing it for a shitty show-off play that wasn't even a real fight nor something to show anything serious about Lancelot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dmrr3DxUK4
>>4613720>If he was not and this is straight up Lancelot as he was at the end of Fate/Zero, then perhaps turning him to our side is an option?He is clearly blacked. And Caster should concentrate on bounded fields in my opinion. The sooner she hijacks them the sooner we will get an advantage in this fight.
>>4613722Okay, thanks for clarifying that. WhatIs did write "corrupted by a great evil just as Lancelot himself has been.", though I didn't think he was Altered because "black steel clad giant that exudes a tremendous amount of energy" is already how he is as Berserker? On a second look at his artwork, it's more dark blue than anything else.>sooner she hijacks them the sooner we will get an advantage in this fightIn the long run, that's what we need. I agree with you on that much. However, what are your thoughts on the rest of the suggestions? I feel like this is less a big fight and more a test of endurance where we need to play to our Servants' powers and skillsets wisely, expending them only where necessary. Rider's Mystic Eyes option should work as his Mana rank is C, opening him up to full-on stoning, but would there be another case regarding Altered Zero Servants with a similar weakness to exploit that would be more crucial to put down ASAP compared to Berserker Lancelot? And wouldn't Altering possibly alter Lancelot's stats to not be Mana at C, perhaps for the rest of them too? What about the other options? Discuss?
>>4613726I feel that using Saber as distraction is mandatory since Lancelot is going to rush her no matter what. Supporting fire by Archer would hopefully make it impossible for Lancelot to overwhelm Saber and together with distraction would make it easy for our Assassin to kill from invisibility. Or at least wound him grievously.As for Medusa's eyes I would prefer to keep them hidden for now. They would be a perfect counter to Alexander's noble phantasm and perhaps to Hassan too. I am also not sure if she would be able to use them safely without hitting one of our servants since Lancelot is undoubtedly going to charge straight into a melee.
>>4613388>>4613720Supporting Shuten assassination + Saber reveal.
>>4613738Do you mean this one? >>4613597
>>4613740Yeah, I woke up at 5 AM. Misclick.
>>4613597I'll support this option. Seems like the best with what we have.>>4613720Let's save Rule Breaker for Alter.I want to see what happens.Our very own Saber to bully Shirou's Saber with and for Medea to play dress-up with.Also it's likely the temple servants all have A++ mana like Saber Alter so no petrification. I think Lancer Alters magic parameter is hidden right now.
If we're going to support three mana hungry Servants and Medea we'll absolutely need the ritual.I really want to steal Alter.
>>4613746I believe we shouldn't contract any more servants. Every new servant diminishes our mana supply.Considering that we are the only proper healer in our group putting more servants on us would be dangerous.Of course, if ritual gives us more mana that won't be a problem but until then in case that we do acquire more servants we could contract them with Monica or Iliya.
>>4613748I'm hoping we get a Dragon Core, just so we can say we're quad cored due to how fucky our 4th dimensional circuits are.
>>4613738>>4613720>>4613597Supporting Shuten + Saber + Archer coordinated attack against Lancelot.
Rolled 20, 55, 13, 79 = 167 (4d100)Please ignore this roll.
>>4613805I hope you are not going to trow Arcueid at us. We have so many overpowered creatures in one city that I am starting to doubt that there would be left anything but ruins after the war ends.
>>4613836I just like that gif, anon.
>>4613805What the fuck...We rollin dice now?Nobody told me we were gonna be rolling DICE now!
"Saber! Archer! Support Assassin!" You yell out to the two Servants as Assassin finally materialzes and rapidly ascends the steps towards the blackened steel plated Berserker. Things proceed too quickly for you to actually see the reactions of your allies to the sudden appearance of Shuten, but the horns are a dead giveaway as to just who and what she is... Well, the fact that her recorded gender is incorrect is something that might help her true identity remain hidden for longer, but Archer would almost certainly recognize Shuten for exactly what she is from just a glance at the horns protruding from the top of her head, nevermind the sword in her hand.Of course, whether or not Archer has figured out Shuten's identity from her appearance or the blade she's now wielding has very little bearing on the current situation, and it's actually Archer who makes the first attack against Berserker Alter, a barrage of shining arrows speed towards the guardian of the temple, swiftly overtaking even the charging Assassin and slamming right into the behemoth, or they would have, had the guardian not reacted with an unreal speed and cut each of the projectiles out of the air with almost no effort.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dmrr3DxUK4Status Updated!The momentary distraction is quickly capitalized on by Shuten, who follows up Archer's ranged attack with a leaping slash aimed towards Berserkers abdomen, before her strike connects however, Berserker has already recovered from his momentary distraction and intercepts her blade with his own, and there's a tremendous crashing noise as the two Servants clash, each with inhuman strength far surpassing the level of the other Servants currently present. The brief clash of blades ends when Lancelot shifts his grip on Arondight to a single handed one and uses his now free hand to smash his armored gauntlet into Assassin's face, sending her flying backwards down the stairs and only narrowly avoiding crashing into Saber thanks to Saber's almost precognition like Instinct. Amazingly, despite taking such an incredible blow, Shuten still has a cocky smile on her face. That same attack would've instantly killed any of your other allies with the exception of maybe Betty due to her personal skill, yet Shuten is seemingly barely even phased!Though with his view no longer obstructed by the small but powerful Oni, there's nothing stopping him from noticing the target of his great rage charging right at him. Where against the normal Berserker Lancelot, Saber was overwhelmed by guilt, the only expression on her face now is one of cold hatred, and anger towards whoever is responsible for the corruption and staining of what was once the unrivaled knight of Camelot. Of course, despite the further degradation of his mental faculties from the corruption brought forth from becoming an altered Servant, Berserker is still more than capable of recognizing Saber.
His duty to guard the gate forgotten immediately upon seeing the target of his undying hatred, Berserker leaps towards the King of Knights with unbelievable agility, appearing to simply disappear from the spot one moment and to be clashing blades with Saber in the next."Saber!" You can hear Shirou cry out his Servants name in worry as she once more crosses blades with the man who was once her most reliable warrior, even with her Mana Burst at full strength, it's about all she can do to keep up with the relentless assault of the corrupt Knight of the Lake, slash after slash raining down upon the hidden form of her blade, causing the very brick of the stairs she's standing on to begin to crumble under the unbelievable power behind each and every strike. The other Servants are holding back for now, unsure of whether to get involved or not, the only one who doesn't look happy about not getting involved in the fight is Lancer, but it's probably on Bazett orders that he's doing so, after all, there would be very little stopping a Servant as powerful as Berserker from butchering the entire group of Masters if he managed to break through the front line and there was nobody guarding them, he's just too fast.There's a flash of red light and Saber suddenly throws herself to the right as another projectile is let loose from Archer's bow, but this time, it's no ordinary barrage of arrows. No, you'd recognize this attack from anywhere as it leaves a streak of red light behind it as it flies. Hrunting. Unbelievably, even this much is insufficient, and Lancelot dodges out of the way of the Broken Phantasm arrow, however what Lancelot wasn't counting on was for the arrow he just dodged to rapidly adjust its course in mid air and begin speeding towards him again.The black knight has no choice but to strike the arrow out of mid air the next time the piercing tip of the sword turned arrow is about to hit him, but in doing so he leaves himself wide open for an attack from his king! Unfortunately for you though, even being left open to an attack doesn't last long for a Servant like Lancelot, and Saber simply isn't fast enough to properly capitalize on the advantage offered to her, only managing to get a glancing blow on Berserker's armor that only shaves off some metal instead of biting into flesh and severing a leg as Saber had intended.Lancelot roars in anger as Saber attacks him, but before he can retaliate, he is once more attacked, Assassin rejoining the attack, but this time she's not playing around, an aura of blazing heat radiating from the Oni as she strikes at Berserker, not even bothering with her sword this time and instead opting to attack barehanded. Berserker obviously hadn't been able to account for Shuten's increased strength from the activation of Oni-kind Demon, and the sharp talons of the oni plunge right through his armor and mangle his left shoulder, laughing maniacally as she attempts to quite literally tear his arm off.
The pain of the attack changes Berserker's priorities temporarily, and his next attack is a sword thrust that pierces right through the side of Assassin, who gasps momentarily in pain before once more being punted away with Berserker's now unrestricted left arm. Even when the shoulder is terribly mangled, it doesn't seem to have had any sort of effect on Berserker.The battle is going well and your victory is basically certain, but already you've taken too long with the guardian of the temple. You need to finish this battle fast, and Berserker is tenacious enough that you're going to need something that is sure to kill him. A quick glance at Medea tells you that she's obviously preoccupied with something, her eyes closed and her expression one of intense focus. It's likely that she's attempting to dismantle the magical protections put upon the Temple, so she can't be relied on to help in this battle.>Ask a Servant to use their Noble Phantasm. (Who and which of their Noble Phantasms?)>Ask Rider to use her Mystic Eyes on Berserker?>Ask Betty to use her Mystic Eyes on Berserker?>Write-in...
>>4613911Wonder if Betty could try to unleash her np
>>4613917I remember her saying that we wouldn't like her NP. Whatever it's effects are it's probably extremely destructive.Using it now would probably harm our squad.
Would Lancer's NP pierce through Lancelot's armor?If the answer is "yes" than we should ask him to use it.
>>4613911Lancer's turn, unmissable Gae Bolg time. Even if Luck E were to fail him as it did in Stay/Night proper, Alter Lancelot would at the very least be distracted enough to be open for another attack. Rider and Betty need to save their Mystic Eyes for the remaining Altered Servants and possibly Manaka as a secret weapon.
>>4613911>>Ask a Servant to use their Noble Phantasm. (Who and which of their Noble Phantasms?)Ask Lancer to Gae Bolg Lancelot.
>>4613911Ask Betty to use her eyes on Lance. With him distracted the others should have a good shot as his back or finish off his left arm
>>4613932What do her eyes do?
>>4613934Makes the person targeted have a deep sense of hatred and disgust so much that they'll attack
>>4613937No that's her Witch Trial that does that, her Mystic Eyes have an as yet unknown effect.Witch Trial is currently sealed due to her inability to control it.
>>4613937What would that achieve? There are only our allies here. I am sure every one of them already wants to kill Lancelot.
Oh, and for anybody asking for Lancer to Lance Lancelot, could you please clarify which of the Gae Bolg's abilities you want him to use?The Thrust or the Throw?
>>4613947Are there any differences between them besides activation distance?
>>4613911>>4613947Nevermind. I just looked it up.I vote to ask Lancer to use a meele version of Gae Bolg.
>>4613949Yes.Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death is the ability that is activated through the thrust which messes with causality in order to always strike the heart, and Soaring Spear that Strikes with Death is basically an undodgeable carpet bombing.
>>4613947>>4613956>Asking Lancer to do anything.Oh man, I know how this is going to end. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gKf7RtrUys
A moment of silence for F/SN Assassin, who sadly can't be here for the massive battle occuring on the temple steps.
>>4614004F, he's too good for this world. Or maybe we should ask Medea to make him, dunno.
>>4613911>>4613956I'll go with the Barbed Spear.>>4614004Oof.
>>4613956Support Barbed Spear
>>4614004It's fine, he's saving france. Besides, he'd solo Manaka and all of her servants if he was here anyways.
So, if you don't mind my asking, what did you think of the combat scene?Was it enjoyable?It's just that combat is especially hard to get written well and I'd like to have some feedback if you have any.
>>4614061I'm liking it. Just waiting to see if you have the chops for a intimate scene if it comes to that. Also Manaka when?
>>4614061I was going to comment that I really liked how you write the fight on the stairs so far. I could picture the Ufotable-tier movements and quick paced attacks from the servants. Your characterizations of the servants and masters aren't out of character at all too. Except for Shinji of course since we have obviously possessed him since childhood to not be a dick. It was worth the wait!
>a intimate scene if it comes to thatEh, we'll see.If it does come to that, I've half a mind to get blackout drunk before unleashing myself upon a keyboard and posting the result somewhere after editing it.
>>4614063>Manaka whenI think QM is going to keep teasing us about Manaka until the end. The Manaka memes have been going on since the beginning of the story to the point where conspiracy theorists believed in the Monica = Manaka theory. At least QM included the 6 Alter Servants coming back from the dead, I thought that this was one of the cooler plot points from Prototype.
>>4614068I expect us to at least lose our virginity. I don't think we've even kissed yet
>>4614109Imagine being a speedreader. Couldn't be me.
>>4614109Didn't we kiss Medea?
>>4614111>>4614112It's been forever since this quest resumed. Sorry if I forgot some things
Potiential girls to coom in for the ero-gei people. I think this is everyone.>Wormpit>Loli (Good luck convincing everyone she's legal age).>Servant Loli (See above)>Maid (Iliya would be offended that you didn't choose her)>Medea (Ara ara)>Monica (See above)>Shuten (Don't ask her for a BJ without a command seal) >Touko (You wish we got an Aoko route didn't you?) >Medusa (She would only do it if you threesome with wormpit)>Manaka (You will never be her Arthur)>Atrougue (You'll become a vampire forever, could be a pro or a con depending)>Satuski (She's as MIA as her route in the original Tsukihime. When was the last time we talked to her anyway). >Shirou (For Shirou-fags, I know that they are probably lurking and want the gay with him still).
>>4614074> I think QM is going to keep teasing us about Manaka until the end. We will meet Manaka in the temple I believe.
You guys are putting alot of faith into E-Rank Luck's Undodgeable Instant Kill.
>>4614130Somebody should post that Shinji and Betty pasta from that one thread. The one I wrote.
>>4614207Like I said, even if we miss it would leave Lancelot open for another attack. Shuten successfully severed one of his arms and his remaining arm is crossing blades with Saber.
>>4614217She only fucked up his shoulder and it didn't have any effect on him. >Even when the shoulder is terribly mangled, it doesn't seem to have had any sort of effect on Berserker.
>>4614217She really didn't tear it off, and wouldn't it be better have her debone him? It wouldn't be pretty but it sure would be effective.
>>4614221Oh my bad, well his other arm probably isn't going to be at 100% usability at least.
>>4614207Let's see how it plays out. It'll help determine things for the future, and it's not like him actually landing it is the purpose.
Rolled 573 (1d1000)Well, probably won't be getting the update finished tonight, but relying on luck, are we?Interesting.
Rolled 22 (1d100)Very interesting...
>>4614279shinji's "bad luck" is really just him losing to Protagonist Rank EX ++and also him being shit in the first place
>>4614286Catch 22? It's not looking good for blue boi.
>>4614293>It's not looking good for blue boi.I mean, to be fair, is it ever?
>>4614288>Has a bunch of servants at his disposal because he convinced everyone to give up their servants on his floor to him.>Only uses Francis Drake against Nero and totally not self insert blank slate. He deserved the loss.
>>4614299There are 3 servants distracting his target. He can't possibly fuck it up.
>>4614299He has his good moments ...in a another universe ...and he was younger.
>>4614304I hate umufags
>>4614352I tolerate Nero, but she's clearly just a bustier, more chipper and green eyed Artoria. There's one thing we can count on Fate to do in that there will be more new Saber faces every year. Heck, Arcueid looks like a Saber face now.
Lancer better not fucking die.He's too cool for that.
Ok, Manakabros.If it is Manaka at the temple and she's hostile, how do we persuade her to be a waifu?She's the sort of person that even if she does consider somebody attractive she'll put them in a cage and kill all the women in their life.
>>4614998You can't persuade her. Manaka is yandere for Arthur.There is zero chance of her being intrested in anyone else.
>>4615012She likes Arthur because of fairytale nonsense.Besides, he doesn't exist in this timeline anyway.We on the other hand are actually capable of seeing things from her perspective in a way.Both of us being immensely powerful and knowing secrets we definitely shouldn't know.She should at least be interested in a chat to an entity that probably didnt originate from the Root.I'm thinking we ought to at least try to befriend her
>>4615014Have you read Prototype? Manaka is insane. Her only goals are summoning the Beast and the destruction of the world. Even if she were interested in talking with Shinji she would not change her goals no matter what.>Besides, he doesn't exist in this timeline anyway.She is also not supposed to exist in this timeline. Arthur is as real for her as she is for us.
>>4615020Manaka is insane because she wants to help Arthur fulfill his wish. She's using Beast as a battery or something. She's not unlike us, massively immoral and will sacrifice any number of people she doesn't care about.>Arthur is as real for her as she is for us.So... fictional?
>>4614998This is literally the reason WhatIs stopped writing in the first place, how about we don't try to romance the main villain of the setting, whose sole goal is utter annihilation?? I'm not looking forward to this quest going MIA because of you coomers.
>>4615026Unlike us she intends to kill everyone in the world.I believe that goes against our goals,>So... fictional?Exactly. We have been working Shinji's ass off for the sake of fictional people for the past decade. Do you really think she is going to give up on Arthur just because he doesn't exist in this timeline?
>>4615014This isn't the first time Manaka was summoned into another world where female Saber was canon. Manaka still clearly remembered Arthur, and still preferred being with him over Artoria. But liked being with a version of him at least.
>>4615059All this proves is that the Otome game villainess isn't a lesbian, and that was kind of obvious It does prove she doesn't suffer complete Oneitis though.Wonder what she thinks of her Altered Saber.
I wonder who the unknown Servants are.Like, the second set Ibaraki is in.
>>4615085My head theory is that second set Saber is Richard from Strange/Fake. A-san is canonically living in Fuyuki during this time, and if Manaka exists in this iteration of the grail war, "A-san" Ayaka could become a participant too. It would be funny seeing Richard fanboy over getting to meet his idol.
>>4615095Second Saber is confirmed to be Mordred I believe.
>>4615097I don't know if QM confirmed that, but I saw another anon also theorize the second Saber could be Mordred too. Mordred and Artoria's interactions would be fun too.
>>4615098Here is a direct quote:"Well, later on, I saw what I can only imagine was a Saber wearing full plate armor and a helmet that concealed their face. They didn't have their Master with them though, and they seemed to be looking for a fight. So I didn't stick around too long to observe them in case they somehow spotted me." Understandable, Servants almost all have superhuman senses, so sticking around to observe one is just asking to get yourself caught and executed for spying. "All I remember about this Servant is that there were a few red accents on their armor. It was too dark to get a good look at them, sadly.
>>4615101Could be either with just that much.Maybe Richie Rich was wearing his helmet.Most Sabers theoretically should have one.
>>4615116I agree that it's not guaranteed to be Mordred, but I really doubt that it's Richard.First he never wears a helmet. I don't think he has one.Second it would be out of character for him to patrol streets with his sword drawn just looking for a fight like that.In any case, we don't have a solid proof either way.
I’m thinking it’s Mordred just for the red accents to their armor
Imagine if it is Mordred.Two Sabers to rage at.Also Gilgamesh is going to have fun.
All these savers and knights showing up, it makes me hope Merlin appears or Bedivere
"Lancer! Use your Noble Phantasm! You're our best bet at finishing this now!" You realize that Lancer's Noble Phantasm may just be the quickest and cleanest way that you can put an end to the Berserker without wasting any more time. The instant kill effect of the Gáe Bolg shouldn't be easy to overcome even for a Servant with a Luck Parameter as high as Berserkers. The disappointed Lancer looks vindicated at your request for him to join the battle, and happily twirls his spear about his head before getting into position, Lancelot still distracted by the three Servants he is mostly holding his own again. "You want me to use my cursed spear, huh? Under normal circumstances, I'd only let my Master order me around like this, but I suppose I'll make an exception. Now then..." The cursed spear begins blazing with a terrible red energy as Lancer prepares for his thrust.Berserker is seemingly too distracted to even begin to respond to the entrance of Lancer, not that it would make much difference at this point. "I'll take your heart! Gáe Bolg!" Lancer roars the name of his Noble Phantasm as he launches towards the altered Berserker, and to an onlooker, it seems as if Berserker actually moves into the path of the spear in his attempt to dodge out of the way of it, it seems that even while being outnumbered three to one, Lancelot is still fast and skillful enough to be able to respond to the entrance of a third combatant, however against Gáe Bolg, it's not good enough.The spear plunges through Berserkers chest, just above where his heart would be and the Berserker freezes up for a moment. Lancelot leaps backwards once again and his spear tears itself loose of the lethal wound it created, zipping around in the air for a few seconds before landing back in Lancers hands. Lancer doesn't look at all pleased by the result of his attack though, he speaks through gritted teeth as his eyes are a blaze of fury. "Impossible, how could the Gáe Bolg miss?"
Before Berserker can truly recover from the new wound, he suddenly finds himself with two additional wounds to the back, as a white and a black blade finish arcing through the air and deeply cut into Berserkers back, rending the metal and remaining stuck in the relatively more defenceless flesh underneath. When did Archer even find the opportunity to throw Kanshou and Bakuya? You suppose you haven't really had your eyes on him during the fight, but that's some damn good timing. "Tell me, Lancer, has that cursed spear of yours ever actually done what it's supposed to?" You can hear Archer not-so-subtly mock his blue haired spear wielding rival from behind you. You can share his sentiment too, Gáe Bolg sure does seem to miss a lot."I'll shove this cursed spear of mine right up you-" Lancer is cut off from finishing his crude remark towards Archer as Lancelot once more lets out a roar of anger, louder than before, as he finds himself unable to defend himself against the Servant who has chosen herself to be the one to land the lethal blow on the Knight of the Lake.Lancelot's spiritual core is simply too damaged for him to be able to defend himself against Saber's attack, and you can see Saber mouthing an apology to the Berserker as dispels the enchantment placed around Excalibur to render it invisible and plunges her blade through the rogue knights heart. Finally, the knight goes limp and fades away into what looks like particles of inky black soot. Not at all like the golden motes of light you were expecting to see when a Servant returns to the throne, but you suppose this is likely just an effect of the blackening process.With the guardian of the gate defeated, there is now nothing preventing you and your allies from entering the temple proper. Remarkably, you managed to defeat a Servant as powerful as Lancelot without having any of your Servants suffer from any wounds that might hinder them later on! Needless to say, your spirits are high at least, and while Saber does look a bit miserable at having to once again kill one of her closest friends, even in these circumstances, it probably worked out as best it could.Before you give the go-ahead for the Servants to actually storm into the temple grounds, you decide it would probably be for the best to ask Medea about the Bounded Fields and whether she's had much luck with disabling any of them. "How are things going, Medea?" You keep your question short, and Medea opens a single eye to look at you, obviously still trying to maintain her focus despite conversing with you.
"Somewhat well, there are a truly incredible number of Bounded Fields upon this temple, some of which even I can't discern the true purpose of! It pains me to admit this but the person who created these bounded fields has surpassed me in knowledge..." she pauses for a moment, lost in thought. "I can only imagine we're up against somebody who specializes in Bounded Fields, or in a worse case, a magus superior in skill to me... perhaps even a deity with authority over magic!" Those words give you momentary pause, the last thing you need to be dealing with right now are actual honest to God... uh, gods. Things are really complicated enough without the interference of deities. "However, I've managed to disable every bounded field created with the intent to weaken or kill intruders, that much I can tell." Well, that's a relief, it sure would suck if you all just started to fall apart or melt the moment you made it inside, after all, if they are on a level of Bounded Fields superior to even Caster, then the replication of something like Bloodfort Andromeda ought to be entirely possible for this adversary.>Continue the charge! (Shuten is default charge leader, specify if you want it to be somebody else) >Write-in...
>>4615265>>Continue the charge!But heal her first.
>>4615265Send in something our foreigner makes. Bullshit there’s not some kind of failsafe
>>4615265Have Betty send a small familiar forward to scout. I'm talking like fly sized.
>>4615265Supporting scouting. Even if the fields are ACTUALLY dealt with there might be other traps set up.
>>4615265>>4615273Alright I will also support sending a scout created by Betty.
>>4615265Send a familiar from Betty, Manaka is a near true magic level mage, she would definitely set up additional traps. Plus Hundred Face would take the opportunity to target Masters if we just waltz in and get entrapped.
Oh my god we're about to die aren't we?
>>4615366What makes you say that?
>>4615366That is why we're sending in a familiar first and not letting our Servants go on. We should also make sure at least one Servant is with the group of Masters at all times. At least until Hundred Face is dealt with.
>>4615376The fact that this is Fate?Nobody ever wins against the enemy on the first appearance.
>>4615380Assassins are shit.Especially hundred faces.They aren't the threat. It's gonna be something out of left field.I remind you Kirei fucked up Cursed Arm and Baz is stronger than Yorokobe.So is Monica.
See, I want to get started writing on the next update, but I also want to wait in order to give everyone a chance to vote.
>>4615366So I was thinking if the thing inside the grail can bring dead Servants back to life, what's stopping it from just doing it again?
Alright, here's a question for everyone.Would you prefer in the future for me to take the result of a vote as soon as there is an obvious majority, or wait for long enough that I can be sure everyone has had a chance to vote?
>>4615613I think 3 hours is enough to vote for everyone who is enthusiastic about the quest.
>>4615613The Majority option would be fine, I feel like most of the active players so far don't have any major disagreements about the course of the story or what we want to do. Other than which female to romance obviously.
>>4615613I think majority is fine for now.
"Wait!" You call to stop the charge before the Servants ahead get any ideas. "We need to make sure that we aren't about to walk into a trap." You're wasting precious time here, and you don't know if it's truly worth the risk of allowing yourself to be set upon by whatever other Servants are within the temple right now in scouting out the interior of the temple, but you could very easily find yourselves walking right into a trap if you just venture inside without at least trying to ensure if it's safe or not. Medea by herself isn't adequate, she pretty much already said so herself. Whoever is behind this temple is a better magus than she is, at least in some regards. "Betty." You call to your first Servant, who has been loyally standing by your side this entire time, ready to defend you, it seems. You feel a little bit guilty about getting too caught up in the fight to properly take note of her presence. "Can you quickly make something to check inside the temple to see if we're going to be walking directly into a trap or not?" It's a long-shot, but Betty's familiar creation ability doesn't seem to have failed her in any real way just yet.Your Servant gives you a wordless nod as she gets to work on crafting a brand new familiar with her truly bizarre ability, shadows seem to swirl around her and begin amassing in front of her before a new lifeform is suddenly created before your very eyes. In her hand perches what seems to have the basic body of a swallow with four wings, yet the skin of the creature is scaly and reptilian, and instead of feathers, the folds of the wings seem to be composed of a slimy looking nearly translucent material. The head of the odd birdlike creature has no features on it other than dozens of tiny blood red eyes, positioned like a band as they circle the entire face of the creature. Moments after being created, the creature takes flight with an erratic flight pattern, zipping past Shuten with incredible speed as it covers the distance between Betty and the temple gate with remarkable speed, almost on par with one of Archer's arrows. You can't track it at all with unreinforced eyes, and by the time you even think about using magecraft to improve your perception, the creature is long gone.
Just as you're about to ask Betty just by which method this creature of hers is supposed to actually scout out the temple, your head begins to throb with pain. You can see dozens of images of the temple burn themselves into your mind all at once, like a hundred pictures taken with a camera were uploaded directly into your brain. You let out a small sound of pain involuntarily as you are almost overwhelmed by the intensity of the pain, but you seen get yourself back under control and begin to focus on the multitude of what appears to be screens of red tinted video feed you can see without... actually seeing. It's a bizarre effect, but it's about what you've come to expect when you're dealing with the more odd variations of magecraft like with Servants such as Betty. Even so, it's still more than you were expecting.You quickly scan through the scenes to see just what the situation within the temple is, and remarkably, you see the place is completely empty! There's not a single Servant in sight within the images you can see, and what's more, nothing looks out of place either! Yeah, there's no way that there isn't an ambush waiting for you the moment you walk through those gates, but just what could it be? Assassin would be useless by themselves, even with their superior numbers, all that means is that a single Assassin is a hundred times weaker than an average Servant, and more on the level of a somewhat powerful Master than anything else. So if your opponent is planning some sort of ambush with Assassin alone, they are going to be in for a painful surprise on just how limited a Servant the Hundred Faced Hassan is. But what else could their plan be? There aren't any humans in sight either. You can only imagine they are all either asleep or being kept unconscious, though it's possible that they've all been killed as well, you suppose. Though that would be an idiotic move, the presence of those humans in the temple is just about the only thing keeping you from asking Saber to shave a few meters off of the top of this mountain with Excalibur.The images fade from your mind as you notice the odd creature make it's way back to Betty at a rapid speed before perching atop her head. It's about the best view of the situation you're going to be able to get, but you just can't shake the feeling that something is going to go terribly wrong the moment you step through those damn doors.>Send in a Servant to see what happens, though be prepared to have the others support them immediately (Send in who?)>Just go in as a group, whatever happens, it's best that you all stick together to best fend off whatever is in store.>Have Archer and Caster bombard the interior of the temple through the gate. It's possible that some grand illusion is being weaved, after all.>Write-in...
>>4615865I'm not taking any risks with a nearly True Magic tier magus. Archer, Caster its time to do what you do best, ranged bombardment.
>>4615865>>Have Archer and Caster bombard the interior of the temple through the gate. It's possible that some grand illusion is being weaved, after all.I hope we won't kill Avenger with that attack.
>>4615886Avenger was made to kill Gil, chances are he could tank an Ea blast. Avenger will be fine for the most part.
Trust our instincts and bombard the place>Have Archer and Caster bombard the interior of the temple through the gate. It's possible that some grand illusion is being weaved, after all.
>>4615865>>Have Archer and Caster bombard the interior of the temple through the gate. It's possible that some grand illusion is being weaved, after all.Eh, why not?
>>4615865>>Have Archer and Caster bombard the interior of the temple through the gate. It's possible that some grand illusion is being weaved, after all.>And Monica too for good measure, and whoever else wants to.
>>4615885You know, simply being "Near" True magic isn't that impressive, Caster, EMIYA and Shirou are all magi close to true magic, after all, in one way or another.Avalon is outright superior to it.Bloodfort Andromeda is also near the level of True Magic etcetera etcetera.
>>4615898What about us?How close to true magic is Shinji Makiri?
>>4615901That would be telling.
>>4615901We are true magic
>>4615898Avalon allowed Saber to tank EA so I feel like that isn't a fair measurement since even Aoko Aozaki probably won't be able to tank EA. Emiya and Shirou are only powerful in the right circumstances, and without their reality marble they aren't that impressive. Caster is definitely a scary opponent though, able to turn servants against you if she had enough mana to support them. I just don't want to underestimate the person who is capable of raising dead servants, and six of them no less. As well as being able to subdue and potentially turn a custom Gilgamesh killer against us.
>>4615904Its too bad we specialize in healing, we could theoretically school Manaka in a pure magic fight if we specialized in offensive magic.
>>4615919We specialize in assigning, removing and modifying object's properties.Our proficiency in healing is just a by-product of our unique magic.Theoretically we could kill anyone as long as we can maintain physical contact with them for like a minute.
>>4615865>Have Archer and Caster bombard the interior of the temple through the gate. It's possible that some grand illusion is being weaved, after all.
>>4615273>Have Archer and Caster bombard the interior of the temple through the gate. It's possible that some grand illusion is being weaved, after all.Hopefully neither get severely injured assuming that the enemy is actually planning something.
>>4616033Oh wait replied to the wrong post. Oops, meant to reply to >>4615865
>>4615913You don't get the point I was making, the term "Near True Magic" is utterly meaningless because it gets bandied about to make a lot of things seem more impressive than they actually are. Things like Bloodfort are comparable to True Magic.So are Command Spells.Caster is actually capable of True Magic from the Age of Gods but not capable of learning the Five True Magics of the Modern Era for... reasons.Besides, certain beings that are properly connected to the Root are superior to True Magic, beings like Void Shiki, for example.
>>4615865Bombard them!Die Assassin, die! Dieeee!
>>4615865>Have Archer and Caster bombard the interior of the temple through the gate. It's possible that some grand illusion is being weaved, after all.There's nobody that we saw, an impossible thing. Fuck that.
>>4615898>>4615902>>4616136Here's a theoretical scenario for you, WhatIs: Shirou reciting the UBW aria, but Saber is doing it alongside him and both are holding hands, right there in the middle of a fight as the enemy lets them do their thing just the way Nasu wrote.And did Shirou get Arondight seen and recorded into UBW before Lancelot died? Can we congratulate the Servants on the clean Lancelot kill and recap them on him? Can we still heal Shuten, and what's her current condition?
>>4616154Arondight is a divine construct, Shirou can't replicate it unless he buddies up with a fairy and gets Gaia to give him the ability to do so.So I guess we'd need him to befriend Arcade if we want him doing that.
>>4616158Now I think about it, getting Shirou authorization and resources from the planet to create Divine Constructs would be the coolest upgrade for him.A contract to Gaia is a little harder than one to Alaya but we can just ask Arc if she can help us out if we do her a big enough favour.
Oh, going for a bombardment, are we?
>>4616229saturated bombardments are safer than strolling right in
>>4616229After he got a taste of destroying his family's mansion, Shinji's desires became unquenchable.
>>4616154Scenario noted.Shirou did see Arondight, but as that anon noted, he can't project it.The Servants all know who they just beat anyway thanks to the unsealed Noble Phantasm and the rough information they were given off screen, and there's no time for congratulations just yet.>Can we heal ShutenDespite having taken a pretty large injury from Lancelot, thanks to her battle continuation, your large reserves of mana, and her Oni physiology she has practically rendered her wound a non-issue anyway, and it's already mostly healed.
"I don't trust this. Not one bit. Archer, Caster, could you bombard the interior of the temple through the gate? I didn't see any humans that would get caught up in such an attack, so I can only assume that they must've either been moved into the cave system underneath the temple, or have already been disposed of." You really hope that they aren't dead though, you didn't even consider the prospect of Kuzuki or Issei being put in danger when you began the war, and now you're cursing yourself for it. While Issei was always more Shirou's friend, you did end up building quite a decent relationship up with the assassin turned teacher while learning his incredibly overpowered martial arts. Archer quickly steals a glance at Rin, who nods, before acquiescing to your request. "Very well." He prepares to fire multiple arrows all at the same time from the bow, while Caster, no longer focused on breaking through the bounded fields, has dozens of shining purple magic circles filled with archaic ancient Greek lettering floating behind her. Obviously you don't need to tell Caster twice, and it's pretty obvious that she's also obviously unsettled by the strangeness of the temple. You just don't want to take any chances, not when this place has already managed to somehow capture a Servant that the Einzbern intended to be able to defeat Gilgamesh. You wonder for a moment just what that golden jackass is up to right now. You find it incredibly unlikely that he'd have managed to get himself killed off screen... probably.Without any delay, both Caster and Archer let loose an immensely destructive barrage of attacks onto the interior of the Temple, the buildings on the temple grounds being torn to shreds in moments as the incredible powers of the two range specialized Servants wreck havoc on the holy place. Flashes of purple light from Caster's spells and supersonic blue projectiles from Archer speed into the temple at incredible pace, and after only about thirty seconds of loud rocking explosions from the bombardment, the temple itself has been completely obliterated. So this is the sort of damage a Servant can effortlessly bring about when they are focused on actually damaging the area? You can only imagine what sort of terrible damage might be wrought upon the city proper if Servants fought in this war with no regard for the secrecy that every supernatural being must uphold.
"It's done." Archer's words are short, and it's clear that he didn't enjoy the experience of destroying the temple, in fact, it's pretty obvious that he disliked it quite a bit. Not bothering to read into Archer's feelings any further, you step closer to the temple and survey the damage. If there was anything planned for you above the cave system, then it's definitely been destroyed now. There's no doubt about that. Unfortunately, there's no evidence that you managed to destroy or uncover any Servants with your bombardment, so in a way, it kind of feels like you've just destroyed the Ryūdō Temple for no real reason because of that. Ah well, if it goes well enough, you suppose you can see about having Caster rebuild it. It's a mundane use of her overwhelming magical ability, but you'd just feel bad if you did end up rescuing the inhabitants of the temple before leaving them with naught but a smoking wreck."Hmm, seems like they didn't have anything planned for us above the grail after all." Rin muses as she looks at the lack of any results from the attack. Well, you don't know that for certain, the complete destruction wrought upon the temple has effectively ensured that any magical trap would've been disrupted simply due to it's physical destruction. "Right." You're forced to agree with Rin, and with some apprehension, you order Shuten to once again continue the charge, remarkably, she seems to have managed to heal from Lancelot's attack on her almost entirely already! What a busted Servant. You're glad that you managed to convince her to serve you instead of whoever the loser she was previously contracted to was, if she was actually motivated, she would be able to easily pick off Servants from your faction one by one. Not that you have to worry about that thought now, but still, the thought is quite the terrifying one.You continue onward into the temple with Shuten leading the vanguard, the Servants more suited to physical combat following closely behind her, and the Masters and Servants suited more to ranged combat entering just followed by Rider, who has taken up the role of the rear guard, it seems. It's a formidable formation indeed, as Berserker just found out.The true extent of the damage caused by the attack you ordered is visible when you enter the now ruined temple. Blasted shreds of wood are scattered all about the area, multiple impact craters from explosions pepper the ground. There's obviously no immediate threat of attack right now, which is bizarre. You had imagined you would face immediate consequences for killing the gate guard, but instead nothing seems to be happening at all. It's terribly unnerving.>Find the entrance to the cave system underneath the temple.>Have somebody break through the floor to reach the caves directly.>Investigate the ruined temple further, there's got to be something here.>Ask somebody for what they think should be done. (Who?)>Write-in...
>>4616331>>Find the entrance to the cave system underneath the temple.>>Write-in.See if Betty can upgrade Recon Birb for Stealth and Illusion breaking and give control of it to Medea. While we do our bit, have Recon Birb scout for the hostages. Hopefully she can see any illusions and what not and cast though it so when she finds the hostages she can use Recon Birb as a conduit and port them out.
>>4616331>>4616333I support this but instead of scouting for hostages it should scout ahead of us for any traps or ambushes.
>>4616347I figure it can note traps while it's looking for the hostages. I want to at least save Kuzuki. I guess we can save Issei too, just so EMIYA will shut up.
>>4616331>>4616333This.>>4616347Why not both?
>>4616355>Why not both?Would you like to vote for both?
>>4616329>You wonder for a moment just what that golden jackass is up to right now. You find it incredibly unlikely that he'd have managed to get himself killed off screen... probably.Didn't he get a little bit too curious about what was going on with Dark Sakura in HF and lost his final boss privilege? If his curiosity brought him to the temple before we got there, his arrogance might have been his undoing again.
>>4616364>Didn't he get a little bit too curious about what was going on with Dark Sakura in HF and lost his final boss privilege? He did, but for Gilgamesh, his combat performance really only depends on how serious he is about winning and how much of a threat he considers his opponent to be from the start of a battle.Sakura would've been killed in very short order if Gilgamesh took her seriously.Jobbing because of arrogance is basically Gilgamesh's one consistent character trait.
>>4616370What if Gil used AUO Cast Off against Dark Sakura?
>>4616372Immediate destruction of Angra Mainyu.
>>4616333I'll support this
>>4616333Support.If this goes badly, do you think we should follow in canon Shinji's footsteps and get Gilgamesh to help us?
>>4616439Absolutely not. Gilgamesh would fuck everything up by doing only what he wants
>>4616333Support. It’s a damn good idea to use the Recon Birb to see if anyone (besides our group of masters and servants) is there, servant or otherwise.
>>4616333Can't Medea just Scry? Why is the birb better?
You have a quick flash of inspiration as you look at the odd avian creature attempting to nestle in Betty's pale hair, and you decide that it might be worth a shot, if nothing else. "Betty, can you... improve that, uh... bird?" You point at the bird in your Servants hair, and you feel the many eyes of the creature shift their gaze to you... or well, at least half of the eyes do, the actual make-up of the creatures face prevents it from staring at you with more than half for... obvious reasons.Betty tilts her head for you to go on as you begin to explain just what exactly you want her to do with her as yet unnamed bird minion. "Could you... make it more difficult to detect... and give it the ability to see through illusions?" "I... think so?" Betty doesn't sound so certain as to whether or not she'll be able to fulfill the request, but if you want to actually uncover the limits of her abilities, you'll need to push her like this. Dark shadowy energy begins to gather towards the bird-like being and you can see the body of the beast altering before your very eyes, it becomes far more streamlined than it was before, oddly... geometric, in some places. You also notice a relatively large dip in your energy reserves. Not enough to be truly problematic, but it seems that improving a lifeform she's already created has an even greater cost than outright creating something in the first place!As you see that she's done with her modifications of the creature, you proceed to ask your next question. "Betty, can you... link the information gathering ability of the creature to Caster instead of me?" Caster looks up at you for a moment, a small amount of confusion in her eyes as she ponders just what it is that you're up to. "Caster, if you have the visual assistance, do you think you'll be able to teleport a group of people out of the caves underneath the temple ruins?" With any luck, you'll be able to find the hostages and get them out without any more worries about their safety.Medea's brief moment of confusion ends, and the look upon her face is one of understanding "Ah. I see, While I can create my own familiars, I suppose I can take command of this... creature, if that's what you wish, Master." Medea doesn't seem that bothered by the idea, she'd probably wish to argue about her abilities more if she didn't acknowledge that Betty's ability to create familiars was far superior to her own. As far as you can tell, the difference between the two is that while Medea is capable of creating familiars, Betty's ability seems to be more on the lines of... creating brand new forms of life from scratch. It's really something that couldn't really be considered a Personal Skill, it's simply too powerful for that... Perhaps... some kind of Noble Phantasm then? No, it can't be that either, she has no need of reciting any sort of name when she uses it. Then... what?St͜a̕tu̴s̸ U͠p̧da̶t͝e!͘
You get a sudden bout of pain as you keep thinking about it, and it's enough to get you to think of doing something else. Namely, finding the entrance to the caverns underneath the Temple. There should probably be an entrance already unsealed, seeing as your enemies have apparently taken residence underneath the temple already. "Come on, I think I remember reading something about a sealed entrance in one of my families books at some point. We can probably get in through that way." Rin is apparently thinking of the same thing you are. "Assassin, the entrance should be hidden behind the... ruins of the main temple building." True to Rins words, there's an obvious entrance visible the very moment you take the back exit from the temple, near the small pool of water is a... no that can't be right, can it? There's something that looks strangely like the entrance to some sort of grand castle. Instead of the yearning entrance to a cave, it's a royal looking castle. Just... what is going on? "Caster, is it an illusion?" You feel the need to ask Caster, though deep down, you can tell that the strange gate leading towards the grail is real."No. It's not a Noble Phantasm either, I can't feel any magic at all from it... Are you sure that this isn't supposed to be here?" Caster asks with some bemusement, apparently just as baffled by this apparently non-magical castle that has materialized in a place where it obviously doesn't belong."Oh, I am absolutely certain." Rins voice is strained. She doesn't understand just what the hell is going on and neither do you. What on Earth could have done this if not a Fortress-type Noble Phantasm? Did they just... physically build this?Curiously, unlike the gate to the temple which was guarded by the ferocious Berserker, the door leading into caves is completely unguarded. Shouldn't your opponent have more of an incentive into... well, guarding the Greater Grail? As you stare at the gate, the upgraded version of the minion created by Betty vanishes inside with incredible speed. Seems at least that something doesn't feel like waiting around outside in bewilderment."Oi. Seaweed-hair, How exactly do we proceed?" Lancer asks, his tone one of annoyance. He doesn't know the significance of this bizarre appearance, nor does he really care, probably. As far as Lancer is concerned, all he needs to know is that his enemies are inside that castle. He's quite a simple man when it comes to stuff like this.
"I don't think that scouting is a viable action once again... this area is too exposed, and I do not wish to retreat." Saber notes, she does bring up a good point, if there were any snipers in the enemy ranks, this would be an excellent opportunity to deal with at least a few of the Masters. "We should push forwards, I have my doubts that any amount of traps could overwhelm this gathering of Servants." There's a note of confidence and... pride? In her voice as she praises the effectiveness of your group. Her words seem to have something of a positive effect on just about everyone, too."So what, do you think we should just charge in without looking ahead, Saber?" Archer grumbles, eyeing Shirou with annoyance as he speaks. "That's not exactly the brightest strategic decision, I've got to say." Archer seems to have some disapproval of Sabers plan, the tactically minded bowman having a different outlook to the instinct driven swordswoman. "If I had things my way, I would've observed our opponents for at least a day before making a move against them." Shuten laughs as her Servant allies discuss tactics. "Listen to you all! All we need to do is crush our enemies, so why are we standing around just talking? They're probably just going to use this time in order to organize better against our forces!" Shuten, despite easily being the worst tactician of all, does make a somewhat good point. The more you dally out here, the more opportunities that your enemies have a chance to prepare for you in their fortress.You take a look towards Medea, but it seems that she's busy with the visions from the familiar she's apparently now controlling. You're probably going to want to ask one of your best tacticians not to do this to you in the future, at least not before advising you on what she thinks you should do first.Looks like it's down to you to decide the specifics of this next stage of the attack.>Go in all guns blazing, destroy the entrance-way entirely and prepare to attack any enemies waiting for you.>Go in an organized manner, keep formation, it's worked well for you so far.>Allow one of your allies to make the decision (Who?)>Write-in...
>>4616865>>Go in an organized manner, keep formation, it's worked well for you so far.
>>4616870Support. I don't want to delay getting to Avenger any slower, but lets not charge in like fools. Keep moving in at a brisk but careful pace.
>>4616870+1I don't actually want to go in anywhere like a retard
>>4616870Support.On the off chance this gets out voted and we do stay outside though, we should have Lancer position himself in the front or middle of our group. His protection from arrows should at least mitigate the chance of getting sniped.
>>4617043If you don't want to enter just vote for it.What could go wrong?
>>4616865>Go in an organized manner, keep formation, it's worked well for you so far.Stop supporting a guy who just voted for a given option, it's weird.So any theories about this castle looking place?Maybe it's a reality marble.Or a marble phantasm?
>>4617367Medea said that there are no traces of magic on that thing and I find it hard to believe that they actually built it in two days without anyone noticing.The only other way to get a castle here that I can think of is teleportation.
>>4617376Who would be audacious enough to teleport an entire damn castle onto the grail?More importantly who's strong enough for that?Evidence is pointing towards Manaka, I think. Soon, evilest waifu. Soon.
Also does anybody have any ideas what>Noble Phantasm:>[UNKNOWN] >̮͍̪͔̖̝̞͈̩̮̳̳͊ͤ̆͌̈́̿̎͜͟t̡̯̮̝͚̪̦͓͕̺̭̪͇̃̽̌͗ͯ͆̄̑̽̏͋͊̎̎ͫ̓͛͘͜͞r̦̩͖̣̭̠̼̗ͦ̈̇ͦ̌ͤi̡̭̥̞͈̘̘̮̫̻̭͙̯͈̟̫̺̟͔̟̰̍́ͦ̾̔̔̏ͫ̓̿͊͗͌̃ͮ̈̕͢͝:̧͙͇͔̍̆̆At the bottom of Bettys sheet means?
>>4617395It's letters "tri" with some effects added.I would have guessed that it is a part of Betty's NP name.
>>4617397There are blacked out spaces that 4chan removed from my post.
>>4617398Something like that. Two words 4 letters each.__t_ _ri_:
>>4617398>>4617400The second word is 5 letters.I believe it's "Trial".The first one is probably "Witch" I think.Does that mean that Betty has skill and NP with the same name? There is a ":" simbol at the end of NP name so I think there is more to it than what we can see so far.
>>4617401But if it was a NP, why does NP still say unknown?
>>4617403Because we don't know it's name or it's effects.Maybe her skill is called "Witch Trial" and her NP is called "Witch Trial: the Grand Purge" or something.
>>4611203I can't remember anything. Weren't we still being stuck in toddler shinji? Or am I reading different thing?
>>4617453you missed like half of the entire quest
Hmm, seems that my post isn't showing up, so have another Aoko.
>>4617453But as I was TRYING to say, that was at the very beggining of the quest, have you been in contact with any True Magicians deleting your personal time recently?
>My ID changedGoodbye, ability to format posts.I'll just get to writing the update.
>>4617463>Tsukihime Remake>Still no Sacchin route. Why it gotta be like this bros?
>>4617477>no Sacchin routeBecause Aoko stole her 6th heroine spot, according the carnival phantasm at least. Aoko may be a chronic thief but at least she had the decency to wait until legal age I guess.
>>4617463>>4617477>>4617478>still no sacchin routeIsn’t it sad?
>>4617573It's entirely as I expected of the current state of Type-Moon when it comes to doing anything other than keeping the .png farm running.We're never getting any game of Melty Blood level quality again.
Maybe she'll have better luck in the Tsukihime Remake Remake, releasing in 2120.
You look at the strange castle gates for a moment, the large and heavy looking gates still partially ajar and you make your decision. "Alright, Saber is right. We'll head inside, but we'll remain in tight formation. I don't want anybody getting separated under any circumstances. There could be any number of enemies or traps hiding out in there, and though I have faith in your power, it only takes a single moment for a Noble Phantasm to turn the tides on us all." One of your biggest concerns right now is Iskandar Alter, if he still has access to his ultimate Noble Phantasm, then things could get real hairy real quick. "Shuten, please, keep leading the way, you've been fantastic so far!" You smile at her when she looks back at you, hopefully you can keep her happy with positive encouragement alone. Well, that and copious amounts of alcohol. An unhappy oni is almost as dangerous as a bored oni, after all. At least you can be pretty much guaranteed that she's not going to feel let down by the events of the war itself.Assassin smiles back at you as you praise her, before her face becomes one of focus. It seems that even somebody as powerful as Shuten can't afford to be reckless against this unknown enemy, despite it not having really been a problem for her in the fight before, looks like the overwhelming strength of Lancelot has caused her to reconsider just how seriously she ought to be taking things. Had she been fighting alone, it's uncertain if her victory would've been guaranteed, and even if she had won the battle, it would've been a long and bloody one. Lancelot's superior speed would've prevented her from doing anything but fight defensively, despite her greater strength.The formation tightens a little as you enter the gates, it's quite odd how they left Lancelot guarding the temple itself and yet they left nobody guarding this area. You wonder just what the reason behind that was, wouldn't it have been more prudent to have had Berserker guard the entrance to their true base of operations? It does seem like a lot of effort to go to simply to momentarily deceive somebody. Then again, there's always the possibility that it wasn't a decision made tactically at all, and whatever or whoever is commanding the altered Servants is actually quite hopeless when it comes to forming strategy. If that's the case, then your victory is practically guaranteed no matter how much strength they might be commanding, you've seen just how quickly a Servant with poor tactics fares even against weaker opponents. You think of Gilgamesh again as you recall just how much that ends up happening, to him especially.
Nobody makes a sound as the group enters into the temple, the light breathing of the human masters is just about audible in the near all-consuming silence of the castle halls, the only other noises being the crackle of the torches as they brightly burn away in their sconces, illuminating the long hallway as you descend down multiple sets of staircases. While there are of course doors to the side of the hallway that you could've chosen to investigate, that's really just asking to get yourself hit by some form of magical trap. Besides, Medea pretty much has the investigation of the underground castle covered. You can see almost every door you walk past having already been pushed open slightly by Betty's bird creature. You have no doubt that if any of these rooms actually contained anything or anybody of interest, that Medea would've spoken up.You continue descending deeper and deeper for a few minutes before Medea finally speaks, or well, at least she does so mentally. 'I've located the humans taken hostage, Master. I can teleport them out immediately if you wish.' Seems like your hunch about them taken hostages was correct after all. You're glad that Kuzuki and Issei and the others aren't harmed... or at least not permanently so, from how Medea is speaking, but it does go to show at least some level of tactical thinking from this enemy of yours. 'Thank you Medea, please can you bring them to the foot of the temple steps? And... well, make sure that they aren't going to wake up for a few hours.' It's quite cruel to do such a thing, but there are no other solutions. Medea gives a wordless noise of assent as she apparently does so, and you can feel your energy decrease as the mass teleportation occurs. At least you won't need to worry about any collateral death now, though the previous residents of the temple might have a confusing morning in store for when they wake up. It's at least better than them waking up before that.Finally, you come to the end of the tremendously long corridor as the room opens up in order to accommodate two huge and extravagantly decorated wooden doors, the doors are easily three times your height and wide enough that you could probably drive two cars through them at once."I've got a real bad feeling about this." Monica quietly says as she looks at the large doors. The electromagnetism wielding magus might just be out of her league here, without a Servant to help her, but you're thankful that she came anyway. The fact that she hasn't felt the need to speak up herself is practically silent approval of the courses of action you're taking."You're not the only one." Rin seems to echo Monica's sentiment, and you can agree with the two of them. These doors definitely have a sort of... boss room feeling to them, for lack of a better word. "Archer! Can you feel the presences of anything beyond this door? I'm not sensing anything."
"No. It's likely there's bounded fields placed upon this door in particular to prevent any forms of divination from reaching into it, including the natural magical senses of both magi and Servants. Do you feel anything, Caster?" Caster shakes her head. "I'll have to agree with your assessment of the situation, though why a simple bowman is so well informed on matters such as this one is beyond me. Yes, there is an advanced bounded field around this room, and it is advanced enough that it would be pointless for me to even attempt to deactivate it." You briefly consider asking her if she could use Rule Breaker or even if Shirou could trace Gae Dearg to disable the bounded field, but there wouldn't be much point in doing that, it's likely that any attempt on disabling the bounded field from the outside will be fruitless and the field will simply activate once again. There's even the possibility that with magecraft this advanced that merely attempting to disable it would have quite lethal consequences for trying to do so. That's one of the big reasons you don't feel like tampering with it directly with your own magecraft."So, what are we going to do now? It's pretty obvious that they're all waiting for us behind that door." Shuten yawns and stretches as she makes the obvious assumption. "Don't any of you have any Noble Phantasm that could just blow away the entire room?"Saber frowns when she responds to Shuten. "Don't be foolish, the activation of a Noble Phantasm of such power down this low from the surface could bring the entire mountain down on our heads!" Seems that Saber has already considered the possibility of using Excalibur against this gate and has decided against it. She's right, of course. You don't know if Medea could teleport everyone out fast enough if the place started collapsing on you all, after all, she does sometimes... fold under pressure.>"I suppose it can't be helped. Let's continue on. Shuten, if you would." (Have Shuten open the gates, then head in.)>"Maybe Shuten has a point. Archer, do you have anything relatively destructive that might be useful for surprising any enemies lurking beyond this door?" (Ask Archer to use one of his Noble Phantasms on the door.)>"Medea, can't you just blast the door away with your magecraft without causing much collateral damage? (Have Medea destroy the door.)>"Actually, Monica, this door has metal hinges, right? Do you think you can just... unhinge it?" (Have Monica collapse the doors.)>Write-in...
>>4617788>>"Actually, Monica, this door has metal hinges, right? Do you think you can just... unhinge it?" (Have Monica collapse the doors.)Let's not make too much noise. If there are enemies nearby who by some miracle are unaware of our exact position I wouldn't want them to converge on us.
>>4617794I agree, let's have best girl do her thing.
>>4617788>>"Actually, Monica, this door has metal hinges, right? Do you think you can just... unhinge it?" (Have Monica collapse the doors.)There's no point in having one person vote then everyone else support it especially when its a choice.
>>4617855Don't be a fagguette
>>4617855It is quite bizarre that people are doing this.It makes vote counting a pain too.Anyway I probably should have put this in my OP, but here's my Twitter if you want to follow it and didn't know about it >https://twitter.com/WhatIsAQMI mostly use it to update my players on things if there is a delay between threads.
>>4617788>>"Actually, Monica, this door has metal hinges, right? Do you think you can just... unhinge it?" (Have Monica collapse the doors.)
>>4617788>"Actually, Monica, this door has metal hinges, right? Do you think you can just... unhinge it?" (Have Monica collapse the doors.)
>>4617788>"Maybe Shuten has a point. Archer, do you have anything relatively destructive that might be useful for surprising any enemies lurking beyond this door?" (Ask Archer to use one of his Noble Phantasms on the door.)Use Caladbolg I want the big boom.
"Actually... Monica, this door has metal hinges, right? Can you just use your magecraft to... unhinge it?" Seeing as the doors, despite their impressive size, obviously have metal hinges. While these things are probably warded against physical damage, and may even be made to shrug off an attack from a Noble Phantasm, if your opponent thinks anything like an actual magus, they won't even begin to consider the effect that basic electromagnetism could have on their defenses. You wonder for a moment just what exactly the limits of Monica's control are, could she have for example, caused Berserker's sword to magnetize to his armor? Perhaps even paralyzed him by preventing his armor from being able to move? While you doubt such a thing would work on a Servant with magic resistance, Berserker has nothing like that. Perhaps you ought to ask Monica if she can use her magecraft on a traced Noble Phantasm from Shirou at some point. Of course it would have to be one originally forged from metal, but if her magecraft does work even against the weapons of Servants, then it might just be that you've been severely underestimating this woman."Huh? I mean... I suppose so?" Monica sounds startled at suddenly being singled out as if she didn't actually expect for you to want to use her abilities over say, the Caster from the Age of Gods or literally King Arthur standing stoically near her Master. "Just give me a second and I'll see if there's anything preventing my magecraft from working on the door." Monica walks straight up to the door before holding out her hand and allowing a spark of electricity to flow between her and the door. Mere seconds later, there's a loud clattering of metal as the hinges on the door detach themselves as the screws simply unscrew from their fastenings, and it only takes a few seconds before the doors are simply standing free, no longer secured in place by anything.Monica gives a devious smirk as she pushes the huge doors with apparently only a small amount of force, though you can see that she's obviously reinforcing her physical strength with her own abilities as she pushes the doors, and after a brief delay, the doors both crash inwards into the dark room. Though Monica is intelligent enough to understand the importance of getting behind one of the Servants before they actually do, just in case retribution was immediate.
Oddly, there's no such response, and the room ahead of you is just one of near pitch darkness. How... strange. "Alright, let's go. Keep your guard up, everyone. Everyone capable of doing so, create a light source, it's looking pretty dark in there." Everyone capable does so, Monica creating what looks like a tiny ball of plasma to project light and Rin using some sort of small and cheap gem. Lancer and Bazett both almost simultaneously trace a rune in the air which causes a small ball of flame to float about them, that's a moment between Servant and Master you don't really want to spoil. Medea simply lights up the tip of her staff like some sort of great torch, but even with the great amount of light being produced by the magecraft capable members of your faction, it fails to penetrate that deeply into the darkness of the room. Is it perhaps supernatural in origin? You sigh as you create a small light in your hand for yourself. The silence as you walk into the darkness is unnerving once again, the only consistent sound being loud echoing footsteps. Then, as another step is taken, Shuten simply disappears, one moment she was there, and the next moment, gone. You can still feel the connection between Servant and Master, so you know your Servant hasn't been killed but you can feel yourself beginning to panic. "Assassin?!" You yell into the darkness, hoping it's just the oni playing a trick, but as you turn around, you lay eyes upon Rin, who vanishes similarly to how Shuten did moments before. Everyone gets into combat positions and prepares to do battle with this invisible enemy, but whoever is behind this shares no enthusiasm for actually engaging you in combat, as rapidly, more and more people begin to vanish. Lancer, Archer, Bazett, Monica, Shirou. Even Medea and Betty disappear from your side and you can't even call out mentally to them, a strange interference blocking any attempt to contact them. The only person who remains in the room with you is Saber, who you can only barely see now thanks to your own light. Her eyes are darting around the room madly, attempting to locate the source of this attack.
Then, you can hear two sets of clapping hands, almost in perfect unison. "That was exceptionally well done." The voice of a girl cuts through the darkness. "That door was supposed to only open on my command and resist even the attacks of Servants, yet you've surprised me once again!" You don't recognize this voice at all."Yes, I never would've expected that you would simply have bypassed that door like that." The same voice seems to answer the first. "I hadn't even thought to prepare for that, though now I see it, It's quite the simple fix." The second voice sounds quite irritated at how the door was bypassed through the use of Monica's magecraft. "Yes, I'm quite disappointed in you, I don't think I would've made such a mistake had I been the one who was creating this place." The first voice seems to chastise the second voice for her failure. This is getting increasingly unnerving, as the identical voices of two young girls argue with incredibly polite tones. "But where are my manners!? Welcome to my castle, Shinji." There's happiness in the voice, and it sends a shiver down your spine, just who is this person?"You too, Saber." The other voice cuts in, while they are almost identical it does seem that the second voice is coming from slightly to the right of the first, though both of them are shielded in darkness perfectly. It's not just somebody arguing with themselves... twins, maybe? You rack your mind for just what the identity of these two could be and find yourself failing to come up with any satisfying answers. The two voices go silent for a moment, they seem to be waiting for either you or Saber to say something.>"Who... are you?">"What do you want with me?">"Where are my allies?">Remain silent.>This is a hallucination. Use Truth. Escape.>Write-in...
>>4618210>>"Who... are you?"
>>4618210>>"What do you want with me?"Let's cut to the chase.
>>4618210>>"What do you want with me?"These are vampires aren't they?
>>4617586speaking of the Tsukihime remake, is that gonna effect what's gonna happen or are we going business as usual?
>>4618210"What do you want with me?"
>>4618252Honestly, unless they go full FF7R on it, there shouldn't be that many significant changes.
>>4618258well there might be a new Dead Apostle Ancestor, idk, that guy didn't look like Roa
>>4618210>>"What do you want with me?"
BTW is it not obvious to anyone else that this is Prelati?https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/True_Casterhttps://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Francesca_Prelati
>>4618339It's a plausible theory. But could Prelati summon servants from previous wars?
>>4618350Probably not. But Prelati didn't participate in the war because Zouken stopped her we basically killed Zouken which caused her to be able to enter fuyuki.
>>4618339I think its Louvre's Children
>>4618210>"What do you want with me?"What are the chances thar manaka and altrouge formed an alliance?
>>4618363The voices sound the same so it is probably not different characters.
are there any real downsides to being a Dead Apostle? Seems like a pretty sweet deal honestly
>>4618374I'm pretty sure that apart from Sacchin and people who become them through special means, pretty much everyone goes through an initial stage where they're basically zombies who can't control their thirst for blood.
>>4618392we're pretty close to having a Reality Marble and we're a Magus Superhuman so we'd get the Sacchin treatment
>>4618210>This is a hallucination. Use Truth. Escape.
>>4618363>Manaka and Altrougue allianceHighly unlikely, I think >>4618339 is right in that this is probably Prelati. Prelati seems to also specialize in illusions and complained that her spells had no effect on Zouken. Does this mean Manaka is disconfirmed?
>>4618210>"What do you want with me Prelati?"
You grit your teeth as you look into the darkness to try to pierce through it, but there's clearly a supernatural element to it, and even after you reinforce your eyes, you are unable to perceive the forms of the two voices. "What is it you want with me?""You've not realized just yet?" The two girls voices overlap very slightly as they speak together. Strange."That this..." The first voice speaks before abruptly cutting off..."...world isn't right?" allowing for the second voice to finish her sentence."What on Earth are you talking about?" Saber responds instead of you. She's both confused and angry with the situation. That much is obvious. "I suggest you bring my Master and my allies back. Now." She's obviously furious with the figures in the shadows, but you can tell that even Saber doesn't know what exactly she should do, not even with her Instinct being as great as it is. Saber is... uncertain."Why don't you ask Shinji?" The voice on the left speaks. "He ought to know more about it than anyone else." What are they trying to accuse you of? While you might have messed with a few things here and there, you haven't done anything to deserve such harsh allegations thrown at you. The world isn't right? What does that mean?"Of course! After all, he's the cause." The voice on the right giggles. "The cause of this world being so unstable is you, isn't it?" You have no idea what these two are talking about, and you're certain that you aren't going to like it either.Saber turns to look at you, and the blank look of confusion on your face is proof enough for her that you're innocent of whatever it is these two are accusing you of doing. "I don't care about what your issue with this man is. I'm warning you. Bring my Master back or I won't hesitate to destroy you both." Saber is desperate, it's clear. Resorting to mutually assured destruction so quickly? Saber must really be stressed out right now."Your Master and your allies are safe... for now." The voice on the right speaks again. "I wouldn't want to get rid of them just yet. Of course, I might be willing to spare them all if you were to... agree to become my Servant, Saber." There's an odd hint of fondness and familiarity in the tone of the right voice. Does she somehow know Saber then? How? Saber doesn't even bother to dignify that particular request with an answer. Instead clearly preparing herself to fire Excalibur at the two voices. Was she... not bluffing? Oi! Saber, you might be fine with the idea of bringing a mountain down on your head, but those kill people! Especially people who aren't Servants!
>>4618210>>4618221Changing my vote to this >>4618449
"I wouldn't suggest acting so rashly, Saber." The voice on the left speaks this time. "Your allies will certainly be crushed if you attack us here." Then the voice laughs. "Besides, unlike some people, I don't enjoy the idea of having my spine torn asunder." The left voice seems to be laughing in the direction of the right voice now. Bizarre."I'd suggest you be quiet. I shouldn't need remind you that you're only here because of me!" The voice on the right responds harshly to the mockery of the left voice. It's like watching somebody with extreme schizophrenia arguing with themselves. "This is our opportunity to make our dream come true!" There's genuine enthusiasm in their voice as they say that."Your dream, maybe." The left voice grumbles and receives an annoyed huff from the right.>"Right, so it's all my fault. What exactly do you want?">"Excuse me? You didn't explain anything. What are you talking about?">"Just show yourselves. There's no sense hiding in the shadows.">"Saber. Use Excalibur, if you destabilize the magic in this place, Caster ought to be able to rescue our comrades.">Write-in...
>>4618459Fuck! I was late.
Surprise double update!
>>4618339>>4618445>>4618449Did you know that Francesca is a girl and that Francois is a boy?Just saying.
>>4618464>Use truth to break out of the illusion. The longer we indulge these two, the longer they have to trick our allies into being their servants.
>>4618464>>4618485Support.Let's do everithing we can to dispell the illusion around us.Whoever this is they clearly have no intention of answering our questions. Time to ruin their fun.
>>4618464>Write-in...>>4618485Its our turn to flex.
Fair warning, tomorrow I'm going to try get many updates out with a smaller delay between update than usual, so if you want to vote it might be an idea to keep an eye on the thread.
>>4618485Supporting. Fuck this arguing in the darkness bullshit.
so do you guys think Altrouge is in the HGW right now or did she send someone to go fetch us? My money is one her sending someone
>>4618561I bet she is relaxing with a glass of wine somewhere in the city while her underlings report to her how the war is going.When war starts to near its finale or after it ended she will probably send someone to aggressively invite us to her residence.
>>4618575I bet she is basically our version of Aoko in a very twisted way, we briefly encountered her at a young age and she will be waiting for us when everything is over.
>>4618575Didn't one of her top guys almost kill Monica?
>>4618637We don't know why he attacked her. It's not guaranteed that he was trying to get to us.Maybe he was looking for a local mage to get information on the war, Maybe he saw a strong mage and decided to add her to his retinue.Maybe it's something else entirely. We can't be sure for now.
>>4618464>"Right, so it's all my fault. What exactly do you want?"
>>4618464>"Right, so it's all my fault. What exactly do you want?"Guys can we please not antagonize the people with teleport power?
>>4619070We are not antagonizing her tho. She was the one who attacked us by putting our whole squad into an illusion. All we are doing is dispelling a hostile spell.
>>4618464Just show yourselves.
Enough. This farce is ending now. You can't just play twenty questions with these evasive girls while your friends are in peril. It's obvious neither of them have any real intention of answering you, so now, you feel like it's your turn to make a move. You've had quite enough of these girls already, and if they think you defenseless, then they are terribly mistaken. Truthfully, your own abilities are among the greatest in caliber of your entire faction. You open your magic circuits to as far as you can safely manage, and you draw fourth a vast quantity of energy, focusing on applying the element unique to you to the energy as you manifest it in the world outside your body. The voices look on in silence as they observe your magecraft in action. "I have had... enough!" You shout into the darkness as you manifest a ball of truth around the size of a basketball. While you probably could've shaped it into another form, right now, you aren't really interested in doing such a thing. "No more illusions, I'll make you show yourselves!" The ball of pure truth you just created explodes into a great blinding light, and the darkness around you begins to crack and shatter away like great sheets of broken glass. Golden light emanating from the cracks before the power of truth erases the illusory darkness.Before long, the entire room has been made bright, not through the creation of a light source, but simply due to the concept of light being imposed upon the room though you can still only see the presence of Saber, and you finally lay eyes on the two girls, near identical in appearance just as they are identical in voice. You tense up as you lay eyes on the girls.
Both look no older than 13, with short blonde hair, identical cute faces and frilly looking blue dresses. This is the face of a girl you've definitely seen before, but... it's impossible, isn't it? She shouldn't exist in this world, and there definitely shouldn't be two of them! The only difference between the two girls is the state of their clothing. The girl on the left is wearing a perfect undamaged blue dress, while the girl on the right is wearing the same dress, only it has been torn and damaged, her shoulders exposed, as is the thin red wound in the middle of the complicated winged marking on her chest. Your eyes widen as you recognize them."Oh! I think he recognizes us!" The girl on the left says happily, drinking from a teacup as she looks towards you with enthusiasm... did you interrupt a tea-party or something? You shake your head, it's true, the memories were a long time ago now, but you know exactly who this girl... or rather these girls... are. Manaka Sajyou has come to Fuyuki. But... how? You're vaguely aware that the girl has the ability to jump into timelines that she doesn't actually exist within, but that only explains the one of them being here! Why exactly are you seeing double?"I think you might be right... sister." The Manaka on the right seems to have a great disdain for using the word sister, but in the circumstances, it's probably the simplest thing she could refer to her other self as."Manaka. What... Why are you here?" You sputter out. This grail war just get far more dangerous now that you know that Manaka was the one behind all the events around the temple."You know these girls, Shinji?" Saber focuses on the girls, and bizarrely, it seems like one of them is giving off the aura of a Servant, and Saber is prepared to attack them at any moment, though you know that such an attack would be pointless now. Especially when you lay eyes upon the altered form of Saber standing close to one of the doors. Her face is expressionless, and her usual armored dress has been replaced by a long frilly black dress. The realization that these two girls were probably playing dress-up with Saber Alter and drinking tea while your Servants were fighting for their life against Berserker is quite the annoying one."Not personally, but lets just say that I've been informed of what a danger they could represent. Not just to Fuyuki, but to humanity itself." The girl has a direct connection to the Root, and because of that is one of the most powerful people in the entire setting! Her direct connection to the Root doesn't just make her close to True Magic, or even a wielder of True Magic. No, Manaka Sajyou is a wielder of power beyond even that of a Magician, a girl with the ability to interfere with reality as she pleases, only limited by her fortunately quite limited magical energy. Of course, that doesn't explain just why two of them are before you.
"That's not a very nice thing to say about somebody to their face, you know?" The Manaka on the right sounds disappointed by your one hundred percent accurate allegation. She actually looks a little mopey at being compared to a threat to humanity, which is ironic, seeing as she tried keeping one as a pet at one point. Thankfully you can't feel the truly overwhelming presence of a Beast class Servant, otherwise you really would have to order Saber to try to collapse the mountain, at least Manaka, twisted as she might be, is capable of listening to at least some form of reason, especially thanks to a version of her beloved King Arthur being involved. Even Saber Alter seems to have gotten preferable treatment over the other altered Servants. "Especially when you're just as much a Threat to Humanity as I am!" The Manaka on the left is frowning at the small tantrum her more roughed up counterpart on the right is having.You try to keep a calm expression, but your stoic gaze falters for a bit upon hearing that. Before, these were just the ramblings of two mad girls, but, while Manaka is undoubtedly mad, her connection to the Root ought to have given her enough information that she should know exactly what she's talking about. To wit, when she's calling you a threat to humanity, in some ways, you must be. Perhaps the control of Truth may have the potential to become a threat to humanity, but you'd never actually go out of your way to bring harm to random people. "I think we've spoken quite long enough, my parallel self." The Manaka on the left is apparently not interested in keeping up any sort of charade about being sisters with the Manaka on the left, and reveals something you already figured out, despite it making little sense regardless. "I think we ought to give Shinji and Saber the opportunity to ask us questions, now that they know who we are." Well, Saber still really has no idea who these two girls are, other than their name and the fact they are threats to humanity. She's clearly horribly uncomfortable, especially seeing as she can't mentally communicate with Shirou, just as you can't mentally contact any of your Servants. You don't know just how much luck you'd have even if you brought the full power of Truth to bear against these girls. After all, Manaka Sajyou was said to be stronger than even her own Servant, the prototype version of Saber and was only defeated originally by being stabbed in the back by the man she loved, and now there are two of them! You... can't win this engagement directly, not without a brilliant plan. Are you really just going to have to play along?>"You called me a Threat to Humanity. What do you mean by that, and if that's the case, why hasn't Alaya done anything about me yet?">"Why exactly are you here, and why on Earth are there two of you?">Flirt. Hopefully you can appeal to Manaka's better nature. It's a real long shot, but you might get lucky.>Run (How?)>Attack (Write-in...)>Write-in..
>>4619149>"You called me a Threat to Humanity. What do you mean by that, and if that's the case, why hasn't Alaya done anything about me yet?"
>>4619149>>"Why exactly are you here, and why on Earth are there two of you?"
>>4619149>Flirt. Hopefully you can appeal to Manaka's better nature. It's a real long shot, but you might get lucky.
>>4619149>Flirt. Hopefully you can appeal to Manaka's better nature. It's a real long shot, but you might get lucky.>>4619150You crazy son of a bitch! You actually did it!Also oh my god we're totally screwed. GIL HELP.
Why have you done this WhatIsAQM? Was what happened with your Castlevania quest not enough for you? Time to trade our allies for apocaliptic pussy again I guess.
I'll call the vote in an hour and a half and start writing, I think.The faster I get the votes in, the faster I can start writing.
>>4619158What do you mean again?! Wh-What happened in his Castlevania quest?
>>4619149>>"Why exactly are you here, and why on Earth are there two of you?"He really put her in. And there are two of them. Coombrains/lolifags really about to go wild.
>>4619158I think I can keep things under control this time, I'm not going to make the same mistakes.Says the man as he makes the same mistake.>>4619160Lets just call it a plot development I wasn't entirely prepared for that the players wanted. Almost complete tunnel vision, actually.
>>4619163Well, and I have a certain dojo on my side this time as well, so I don't have to try to think of a way for the story to continue without outright killing the protagonist.
>>4619149>"Anyone or anything could be a threat to humanity if given the time. What happened to my allies and what do you want from me?"I literally don't know who she was. But why would she cares so much with (you) being a threat to humanity? Also, why only (you) and saber?
>>4619190She has an yandere crush on a male version of saber from parallel world.
>>4619149>>>"Why exactly are you here, and why on Earth are there two of you?"Yay Manaka confirmed gj QM I didn't think you would actually endulge the Manaka conspiracy theorists! Gilgamesh tasukette!
>>4619193That was the reason?
>>4619199That's her main motivation. She wants to destroy the world and create a perfect Albion for Saber.She became so insane that her own Saber killed her. As you can see that failed to stop her.
>>4619205We also don't know how to permanently off her because prototypes story was incomplete. We do know that Ayaka got the help of all of her potential love interests to beat Manaka, 6 alter servants and even the beast class servant. We have comparable strength with the allies we have now, but I think our allies were teleported elsewhere for Manaka to have a "chat" with us.
>>4619205>a perfect Albion for SaberWhat the fuck is albion again?>>4619208If she can just wiped the floor with us and she wants to destroy the world, why not just just destroy everything? Why took the time to put everything like this in the temple, took avenger and everything?
>>4619208We have the power of Truth on our side. All we need is physical contact and time to cast. If we can assign "Death" to her then she hopefully won't recover.>>4619209>What the fuck is albion again?Just google it anon.>If she can just wiped the floor with us and she wants to destroy the world, why not just just destroy everything? Why took the time to put everything like this in the temple, took avenger and everything?She is not the only overpowered creture on the planet. If she tries something like this she will get fucked by Alaya or Type Mercury or someone else. She likely needs energy from the grail and for some reasone wants us to help her I think.
>>4619209That's what I'm assuming QM is going to have to reveal. I think she has enough motivation to win the fuyuki grail war no matter how corrupt it is, Manaka's wish might not come true but if there is even the slimmest of chance that she can reunite with Proto Saber she would do it. I would assume that getting a custom Gilgamesh killer would nearly guarantee her victory, with only us being in the way.
Threat to Humanity?>>4619151Why are you here?>>4619152>>4619162>>4619186>>4619198>Flirt>>4619154>>4619155>>4619204>Anyone could be a threat>>4619190Is that everyone?
>>4619228>Is that everyone?Yes.
>>4619215>If we can assign "Death" to her then she hopefully won't recover.Or she becomes "Death" and then we're all screwed>>4616276Here's another one for you, hope you like this:If the time comes and Shinji has to do his isekai reveal, and Shirou and EMIYA refuse to believe him, Shinji should play the EMIYA theme on piano (or have a full song mix of it complete with the electronic instruments and the rest, a la https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUs8FEsDUZ4 ) right there in the room with them. The very MOMENT both of them hear the song, they have a Nasu-writing moment where they both instinctively know and feel on a level far beyond mere surface knowledge that the song IS theirs. The song IS that which expresses themselves in totality. It is almost their very beings in musical form, for anybody to hear. Like a song that one listens to for years and years as far as they remember, to the point they've internalized it as "theirs", but something happened to their memory at some point, and their whole being reacts upon hearing it again. A person with memory loss, dementia, whatever condition being played a song they loved avidly as a child or longer; though they don't remember consciously and it is as if they are hearing it for the first time, every other part of them down to their souls registers the melody and responds appropriately.Naturally, this would hit them both so hard the idea of the whole world being fictional is much more plausible and true. EMIYA might go full denial somehow, or if Shinji fucks up somehow? He could go "you might have got the power to express the souls or individuality of others in song form somehow, and that's how you're doing this" or "you know way too much about everything, you have to be linked to the Root or some form of omniscience for everything to make sense, no way this is because we're fictional characters wherever you come from" or other grasping at straws. Or maybe he's experienced enough and cynical enough and broken enough that he accepts Shinji's explanation anyway despite his criticisms. I feel like Shirou would believe Shinji outright on hearing the song and being explained everything though.Though this does bring up more scenarios, like Shinji playing the F/SN OST tunes on piano or other instruments and hitting them just as hard.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcnmWGyOOPAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m67w1Ws4bJUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCOTWQexTjsand so on. You get the idea.Shinji plays https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L1DEvzsftw in a room with all his allies, Servants and Masters and anybody in the canon VN, every single individual should react in an appropriate manner. Breaking down sobbing is one such possibility.
>>4619238>Or she becomes "Death" and then we're all screwedAlright let's assign "Dead" or any other word that will kill her.
The only solution I see to this Manaka situation is to find Altrouge and persuade her to lend us Primate Murder.
>>4619258We just need to know what she wants.My guess is that we either have to choose something that we need to sacrifice, or probably we will not lose anything and will be saved by a plot.
If they are offering you an opportunity to ask a question, you'll happily do so. The question plaguing your mind the most right now is of course... "Why exactly are you here, Manaka?" You try to recover your calm a little as you ask your question. If the two girls wished to see you dead, you would've already been overwhelmed by the Servants at their command, so you suppose you can play along for now. Hopefully the others aren't in too much peril right now, but even if they are, there's not much you can actually do to help them. Of course, there's another question that you'll need answers to as well. "And why are there two of you?"The Manaka on the right smiles as she begins to answer. "That's quite simple, I'm here because you can help me." It's a short answer, and it doesn't explain all that much. Luckily for you, you're well aware of just what it is Manaka wants."This is about your King Arthur, isn't it?" Saber looks at you in bewilderment, obviously never having interacted with either of these girls in her life. You turn to Saber and quickly explain things. "A parallel version of yourself, Saber. From another timeline." Saber is still clearly confused by the calm explanation you just gave her, but seems to happily accept it.You can see the smile of the Manaka on the right falter for a moment as you reveal you know what drives her, though she should've already known that you knew about what she wanted, if she's connected to the Root. Right? The Manaka on the left speaks next, and seems to be more focused on your second question. "The reason my double is here is quite simple, she was... traveling through timelines and ended up happening upon this... impossible one. A timeline in which she existed through me yet shouldn't. A timeline where impossibilities like myself can not only exist, but coexist without any problems, a timeline which isn't bound by the rules of possibility." The two girls narrow their eyes as they focus on you. "A world with one boy possessed by a spirit from beyond at the center of it all, making all of this possible." It's a cryptic enough explanation that all it really reveals to Saber is that you aren't a normal boy. Thankfully you aren't going to have to explain that the world is fiction to you, just yet at least."W-what?" You're once against shaken and left completely off your guard from the revealed information. Then, the cause of this world containing that which it should not is your own existence? You'd never have expected the idea that the world does actually revolve around you would be so... unnerving.
The Manaka on the right speaks up again. "That's right. You are one of the linchpins of this world, and through you, I will be able to achieve that dream of mine." So that's it, is it? The girl wants to use you to achieve her own ends? You should've expected as much, but you were never arrogant enough to believe that your existence was somehow holding this entire world together. "Of course, you are still quite undeveloped, and your powers are in their infancy." The girl sounds disappointed. "Of course, when you've properly developed, I doubt even the Root would be able to threaten you... That's likely why those... things are so interested in you as well." Things? You wonder what she's referring to when she says that."That's right." The Manaka on the left sighs sadly. "Right now, you're like me, just a piece in a game played by those who would seek to control everything." The Manaka on the left gives a small shrug as she says her part, apparently she's not as... emotionally invested in all this as her counterpart is, and the right Manaka gives her a questioning glare for a moment before deciding to just accept it as it is. She's well aware that before meeting Arthur she was practically just a doll, accepting things as they were. Though it's not exactly a nice thought to have, that you aren't even the master of your own destiny.Saber has clearly had enough of the conversation being so focused on you, and despite the world shattering implications that have been revealed to her, decides to ask her own question. "Where, is my Master. I shan't ask again." She's been slowly losing her temper throughout this exchange, it seems. The presence of her dark self in the room only worsening things. You can tell that Saber wants nothing more than to strike that imitation of herself down. "Your Master? I suppose I ought to return him to you, after all, he's quite important to you, isn't he, Saber?" The Manaka on the right seems to have a very faint jealous tone in her voice as she agrees to return Shirou to Saber. Though the apparent willingness to simply give Shirou back to her hasn't improved her current mood, it seems. It appears that this Manaka has a soft spot for Saber, even the Saber of an alternate timeline.The Manaka on the left looks deep into your eyes and giggles for a moment. "And who do you wish returned to you? I'm feeling quite generous, so I'll let you pick two of your allies to have returned. But if you want to see the rest of them..." her voice trails off
"...then I'm afraid you're going to have to develop that power of yours." The Manaka on the right finishes her sentence. "Think of it as... incentive. Now you'll no longer be able to rely on simply completely overwhelming your opponents like you did to poor Lancelot, you might focus more on your own strength." You can feel your blood run cold. "But don't worry, I'll keep them all.. safe. I'll promise you that much." You don't feel like the girl is lying to you, but the idea that you're too weak to stop this from happening is driving you mad already. You need to get stronger.You need to get stronger. You need to get stronger. You need to get stronger.You need to get stronger. You need to get stronger. You need to get stronger.You need to get stronger. You need to get stronger. You need to get stronger.>>Pick two allies to have returned to you.>Foreigner>Caster>Assassin>Archer>Rin>Lancer>Bazett>Rider>Monica>Someone Else?>Refuse.
>>4619267>>>Pick two allies to have returned to you.>>Foreigner>>Someone Else?Avenger.
>>4619269Those two are our strongest servants.
>>4619267>>Someone Else?Left ManakaAvengerThey want to play stupid games, we can play them right back and Left Manaka doesn't seem to be as batshit as Right Manaka.
>>4619267Yo WhatIs, you say "pick two allies to be returned to you" but are Saber and Shirou included by default?
>>4619267>Assassin>ForeignerAlso did the left manaka not meet king arthur she really doesn't sound interested in the right manaka's plan maybe the left manaka is the original one from this timeline.
>>4619286Yeah.Be careful, this is one of the most important decision you'll make in this quest, think carefully before voting.Because it's important I'll give the vote two hours from now.
>>4619288In my defense, if she want (you) to develop outer worldly power, any allies she give us wouldn't matter much especially in this situation where she's holding all the control.
>>4619292>this is one of the most important decision you'll make in this questYou make it sound like every character that wasn't chosen would be gone for this enitre arc.
>>4619293So instead of getting two of our allies free you decided to make sure that all of them will stay as hostages.
>>4619298Sure is a good incentive to improve ourselves
>>4619298Yes.Like have you ever felt that you have so many things in your backlogs and you can only do 2 of em due to time constraint? And that limit only made you feel that you rather not choose any of them?That's what I felt.If I had to pick though, I choose both Manaka.
>>4619269>>4619271>>4619272>>4619276>>4619288>>4619291We're leading up to "it's Gil or be Gil'd" to be able to face these two dumb thots properly. Fuck.Foreigner's OUR Servant damnit, she has access to the eldritch shit that Manaka was hinting at with " That's likely why those... things are so interested in you as well.", and I want Betty route. Caster, while the teleports and Rule Breaker are nice to have among the Dragon Blood plan and the real skill to co-opt the Holy Grail given enough time as Nasu said (if I'm not wrong), are worthless to us in the face of this bullshit; though proposing to Rule Breaker one of the Manakas and turning them against each other is an extreme meme play we're not equipped to pull at this time. Shuten is unreliable in allegiance, and while her very high power level from home-field advantage plus her insatiable cocklust makes the coomer in me want her a lot, she doesn't benefit us in surviving; there is, of course, the issue of Ibaraki trying to kill us for getting her sister imprisoned (do we have ANY EVIDENCE that Shuten was willingly on our side to throw at Ibaraki?) but working with us to free her and so Shinji can "make amends" could be a way to mollify her enough to get her as an ally of sorts. Archer is nice, but as long as Shirou is out here he WILL try UBW route shenanigans and no HF style EMIYA arm is needed here, and Shirou already has UBW albeit still needing a lot of weapons to be seen and recorded in it. I love Rin, but she deserves the bin in this situation; gems cannot do us much good against whatever the fuck is in our future. Lancer's useful because he's a fucking cockroach and Gae Bolg heart pierce can be a fight ender we need at a time we need him most, but E-Rank Luck and his resentment towards us for not getting Bazett alongside him can cause him to fail us. Bazett is in the same boat as Lancer, except no E-Rank Luck, no Servant durability and superhuman powers, and Fragarach is limited in use unlike Gae Bolg. Rider is nice both for being Sakura's Servant and being up there as one of the best girls and her mobility, but her NPs aren't gonna help us against Magic Resistance and whatever bullshit the Second Servants have up their sleeves. Monica has been repeatedly hinted at time and time again by WhatIs to be important because not only does her powerset hard-counter a lot of Servants and Masters and other non-HGW magi alike, but electromagnetism has high use potential overall in modern society Fuyuki City."Someone else" options:Avenger is a solid pick, but we still have no idea about who he is and what he can do other than "the Einzbern specifically chose him to hard-counter Gilgamesh and replace the Berserker class for this HGW". Illya will be dead weight without him, and all those Command Spells on her body will be useless except as fodder.Left Manaka is more interested in Shinji. Right Manaka is more interested in Saber. Both are dubious picks.
>>4619267>>Foreigner>>Someone Else? Avenger. We need to at least get what we came for, at least. I think Manaka will completely turn Avenger if we don't choose him at this point of the story.
>>4619304>Like have you ever felt that you have so many things in your backlogs and you can only do 2 of em due to time constraint? And that limit only made you feel that you rather not choose any of them?Sorry but I really never felt that. If there are many things in my backlog I should just concentrate on the most vital ones. Choosing to do nothing in that situation is the worst option in my opinion.>If I had to pick though, I choose both Manaka.That's not an option tho. She says "I'll let you pick two of your allies to have returned". Manaka is not our ally and she does not need to be returned from anywhere.>>4619305>it's Gil or be Gil'dPrimate Murder. Altrouge could be persuaded if we convei the seriousness of the situation. She wouldn't want someone like Manaka to exist in her world.
>>4619267>Avenger>CasterAvenger so Illya isn't useless, Caster to CHEAT. Sorry Betty, you''ll be the next one for sure.
>>4619267Forget >>4619271And change to Betty and left manaka
>>4619292>Yeah.Okay, thanks. This means we'll have to completely recap Saber and Shirou and our few remaining allies on a lot more than we thought. It's looking like we won't be able to go full absolute madman and make batshit insane reveal speeches about the fictional nature of the world and dropping Truth bombs on everyone, like I thought. Definitely feels like we're being backed into a corner or two here...>this is one of the most important decisions you'll make in this questIs it possible for us to bargain with the Manakas to have one or two more allies returned to us at a later date, given enough progression and true potential unlocking being achieved and milestones cleared? Basically a "can't you reward me with one or two more allies later if my progression and everything else satisfies you two by then?" bargain?>not commenting on the spoiler tagged scenarios I posted in >>4619238Well?
>>4619306>>4619312Thoughts on >>4619305?
>>4619238>>4619317As for the spoilered scenarios, do you really want to bully everyone by trying to do something like that?I'm not saying whether it would work or not though. No spoilers.>Is it possible for us to bargain with the Manakas to have one or two more allies returned to us at a later date, given enough progression and true potential unlocking being achieved and milestones cleared? Basically a "can't you reward me with one or two more allies later if my progression and everything else satisfies you two by then?" bargain?You'll have to make a write-in to ask Manaka that.
>>4619320tl;drGive me a minute
>>4619311I mean, she want (you) to develop (you)r inner power, no amount of character would help with that.Like Batman said, that was a good incentive.>That's not an option tho.That was the "someone else" option. Though if that doesn't count I don't really mind either.
>>4619321>do you really want to bully everyone by trying to do something like that?It's not bullying. It's more "use significant songs to prove things to the characters in an interesting way".>I'm not saying whether it would work or not though. No spoilers.Sure, whatever you say :^)>You'll have to make a write-in to ask Manaka that.>You'll have to make a write-in to ask Manaka that.>You'll have to make a write-in to ask Manaka that.>You'll have to make a write-in to ask Manaka that.GUYS WE GOTTA DO THIS NOW>>4619325>>4619303>she want (you) to develop (you)r inner power, no amount of character would help with that. Like Batman said, that was a good incentive.We're still in the middle of the HGW. We still have A WHOLE SECOND SET OF SERVANTS TO DEAL WITH, and one of the enemy Second Masters is Charles Nyarles in the flesh. We still need to survive, we still need to perform operations to take out enemies or accomplish goals, and we still need at least one girl to romance and pump full of cum before everything ends and everybody dies violently.
>>4619325>no amount of character would help with that.Sure. But what if we are attacked by other war participants before we have a chance to develop? The war is still ongoing and the only servant we have right now is Saber. She might be strong but one servant is not enough.Or do you perhaps think that Manaka is going to let us meditate in the safety of her castle? I find that to be unlikely.
>>4619330>and we still need at least one girl to romance and pump full of cum before everything ends and everybody dies violently.I thought we're all agree that we will go virgin route?>>4619333>She might be strong but one servant is not enough.Not enough against what? Didn't she win the holy grail in the VN?
>>4619330>GUYS WE GOTTA DO THIS NOWMake a write-in then. If I like then I will give you my vote.
>>4619337Virgin route was out voted
>>4619330Ok sure>>4619312>"Say, if I show you my progress in the future, do I get another 2 allies?"
>>4619337>Not enough against what?There is a whole set of servants out there. Including Gillgamesh and Cain and Ibaraki. Every one of them is stronger than Saber.
>>4619343Since before the long hiatus.
>>4619344I don't remember Shinji fucking anyone. Did I miss that?
>>4619346No, shinji never fuck anyone in this. >>4619342With Manaka in the city does the HGW will still going?
>>4619346No we haven't yet. We haven't decided who to romance yet
>>4619350>With Manaka in the city does the HGW will still going?Unless Manaka decides to announce her presence to the whole city others simply won't know that there is any reason to stop.
>>4619267>>Pick two allies to have returned to you.>Foreigner>Avenger>"Say, if I show you my progress in the future, do I get another 2 allies? There's an entire second set of Servants to deal with, isn't there? And how will I be able to contact you two again once the time comes, or will you be the one reaching out to me?">>4619341>>4619338Okay there, I did the write-in vote. I hope this is good enough for right now. This being a quest, we could just as easily go meme pick combos and hope for the best, like get Monica and Shuten, Lancer and Bazett, Caster and Rin, etc. Foreigner and Avenger plus the write-in questions are my own vote, feel free to +1 and back it up if you want.>>4619350>shinji never fuck anyone in thisI will do all I can to make that an impossibility
>>4619267>>4619269Switching to this>>4619356>>Pick two allies to have returned to you.>>Foreigner>>Avenger>>"Say, if I show you my progress in the future, do I get another 2 allies? There's an entire second set of Servants to deal with, isn't there? And how will I be able to contact you two again once the time comes, or will you be the one reaching out to me?"
>>4619305>>4619320It's a good review, tho I still think Caster would help us the most at getting stronger.
>>4619356Switching to this>shinji never fuck anyone in thisI will support you in your quest to get laid fellow coomer bro
>>4619366>>4619378>>4619364Thanks. We still gotta get the other guys >>4619276 >>4619288 >>4619306 >>4619312 >>4619316 and >>4619347 to properly change their votes to backing mine in >>4619356 if we wanna progress this. We should also plan to consolidate our power base and who/what we have at our disposal after this Manaka situation, go after Altrouge + Primate Murder to get their help if possible, either find Gil and sic him on the Second Set of Masters and Servants OR put down the gilded mongrel ASAP, recap Touko in on this shitshow, and deal with Kirei and Ciel
This might be a stretch, but I think left Manaka might be A-san's Manaka. I don't think Strange/Fake confirmed that Ayaka was an only child right?
>>4619396Dude chill out. Enthusiasm is nice but you don't have to quote everyone like that.
>>4619267>>4619356Changing to this.
>>4619402>telling me to chill out when I'm trying to stay organized and help people keep track of shit???
>>4619405What if we don't like your idea?
>>4619408Then write in your own, or stick to your own vote. Simple as
>>4619405I am not against that. I am just saying there is no need to actively call out people with different votes.
>>4619267Well we did promise Illya her Avenger, along with promising to give her another servant if we fail, so that one should be a given...but what other person to pick?they will all be pissed to not have been picked. But Betty probably most fatally so...>Avenger>Foreignerbargain for Caster? Or at least for good conditions for them before we get them back? Damn I feel bad for the others...
>>4619411Fair enough. What do you think we should do first thing after this ends and Shinji's free to go back home? Also it just occurred to me that Ryuudou Temple is still destroyed, and all the people that lived there are going to wake up and see the carnage. We planned to fix it all up with Caster, but Caster's incapacitated and held hostage by the Manakas. Issei's gonna be crushed, but do you think Kuzuki will go for our head for this?
>>4619416Get some good PR, offer to rebuild it. Totally wasn't our fault.
>>4619416Well weren't the hostages knocked out when we stormed the temple? I'm sure the church would cover it up and say that a freak gas leak occurred and that miraculously everyone inside survived.
>>4619416>What do you think we should do first thing after this ends and Shinji's free to go back home?Explain what we can to our allies.>We planned to fix it all up with Caster, but Caster's incapacitated and held hostage by the Manakas. Issei's gonna be crushed, but do you think Kuzuki will go for our head for this?They don't know that it was our doing. We can reconstruct it after the war.
>>4619396I'm not going to change mine.
>>4619426What would your choices and actions be if Refuse won and all those allies were all incapacitated for the remainder of the quest, or this whole current arc? What then?
>>4619356Support. We need to keep our promise to Illya and it’d be a huge problem if Manaka is able to keep Betty. I’m certain if in Manaka’s hands, Betty could very well be an important asset to her.
>>4619437Whatever QM gives us.
>>4619267>>Pick two allies to have returned to you.>Avenger>Caster
>>4619292>I'll give the vote two hours from now.We're like 5 minutes away. Call it or give more time?
>>4619267>>Pick two allies to have returned >Avenger>CasterHaving Betty is good and all, but Shinji wants to get stronger, Caster is the best way to do that.
>>4619267>Foreigner>CasterI really don't want Avenger around without anyone to contest his power.
>>4619292Is the vote called or not?
>>4619481>>4619491I was taking a walk, needed to get groceries.Sorry, I'll call in seven minutes.
>>4619492No problem. I just wanted clarification.Enjoy countinh the votes btw. They are all tangled up just for you.
>>4619495Great, give me a minute and I'll see just what won.
>Foreigner>>4619490>>4619415>>4619364>>4619356>>4619347>>4619316>>4619306>>4619291>>4619404>>4619316>>4619378>Left Manaka>>4619316>>4619276>Avenger>>4619276>>4619306>>4619312>>4619347>>4619356>>4619364>>4619415>>4619474>>4619486>>4619404>>4619378>Caster>>4619490>>4619486>>4619474>>4619312>Assassin>>4619291>Refuse.>>4619288Poor Caster, abandoned again...Yeah I think no matter which way I swing it, the winners are Avenger and Foreigner. Not quite sure if the write-in should go through, but I don't think there's anybody actually opposed to it, is there?
>>4619527No write in.
>>4619527There are 6 votes specifically for write-in.
>>4619527I’m all for the write in.
Screw it, 20 minute sub-vote.Write-in (y/n)
>>4619545(Y)I'm >>4619312 btw
>>4619545What's the write in?
>>4619569>"Say, if I show you my progress in the future, do I get another 2 allies? There's an entire second set of Servants to deal with, isn't there? And how will I be able to contact you two again once the time comes, or will you be the one reaching out to me?"
>>4619573Okay. Then I vote no.
>>4619527So our team is Saber, Shirou, Betty and Avenger. This will go amazing.
Your mind races as you consider just who you ought to request to be released. Betty? Caster? Assassin? You almost curse at the cruelty of being only offered the chance to save two of your allies. It's practically demanding you to hurt your relationships with those you don't choose to be saved. No... you can't make a decision based solely on how you feel about the ally in question, you need to be completely logical about this. Betty... she's strong, and she might just be strong enough to fight against Manaka if you can help her reach her full potential, her true strength is an unknown right now but she's very clearly a powerful Servant, possibly even more so than Shuten is.You're about to request for Shuten and Betty to be released to you until you think of something. She... didn't actually say that your request had to be limited to any of your allies that were captured tonight, did she? You realize that this might just be an opportunity to grasp at least a small victory from the jaws of defeat. After all, Avenger must be an immensely powerful Servant in his own right, if the Einzbern effectively custom made him to deal with Gilgamesh!"So, have you made your decision yet, Shinji?" The Manaka on the left asks you, her voice is gentle despite effectively asking you to abandon your allies. If you had to compare the two girls, you'd say that the Manaka on the left seems to be far more... stable? Than the one on the right. Almost like she's only really putting up with the others actions out of some sort of sense of duty. She doesn't seem to be as actively invested in things as the other Manaka, after all. Possibly a result of the two of them not sharing the same motivation?"Actually, I've got something I want to ask before I make a decision." You may have figured out that you can claim Avenger, but if you're going to get everything you can from this little engagement, you're going to need to go about it intelligently. While it's not impossible for Manaka to just lie to get her own way, she's not really the sort of person to need to rely on deception. "Go ahead." The Manaka on the right clearly just wants for you to hurry up and make your choice, but is trying not to be rude about things. "Well, I just want to ask, that if I do make good progress on my abilities, will I be allowed to reclaim more of my allies?" You put on your most charming smile as you make your request of the two girls. You have a lot of faith in your charismatic abilities, and you truly hope they aren't going to fail now."Excuse me?" Manaka looks at you like you've suddenly caught on fire, it's clear that she wasn't expecting you to start bargaining at this stage, and it's true that you don't honestly have anything to use as a bargaining chip other than your own rate of progress, but a big point of a negotiation is making your opponent think you have everything, even if you have nothing, or at least make them think you have something.
You shrug. "I'm just saying, it's a far better incentive for me to wish to increase my personal abilities if I have the opportunity to rescue my allies through doing so, instead of this vague unspoken promise that you'll give them back to me when I've achieved this level of power you wish of me. There's still an entire additional set of Servants I'll need to deal with." The Manaka on the right gives you a dirty look and is just about to respond before the Manaka on the left responds first, clasping her hands together with a big smile on her face.."I don't think that will be too much of a problem, after all, it's not that much of a request for you to make after the two of us have already requested so much of you, wouldn't you agree, my parallel self?" The Manaka on the left smiles at the girl on the right, who has no choice but to concede. Seems that the girl doesn't want to contradict herself, and the girl on the left knows that. You wonder just what reason that the two could have for these interactions, sometimes it seems that they don't even like each other! "Excellent!" You smile at the Manaka on the left, seems that this one is easily the more reasonable of the duo, in fact, she might even have some sanity left! "Of course, I do need to know how I'm supposed to meet up with the two of you when I have made some progress, or at least when I think I've made some progress." You give another shrug. You aren't sure just what their standards are when it comes to your personal progress, after all."If you think you've made considerable progress, simply come to the temple... alone." The Manaka on the left cheerily states."About that..." You're about to explain the destruction of the temple to the two apparently unaware girls, but you get cut off as you try to do so."Oh don't worry about it, I restored the temple as soon as you all entered this place." The Manaka on the right smirks at you, the complete destruction of the temple having been so easily undone by this ridiculously powerful girl, and she seems to be silently gloating about it. Yeah, this one is easily the more malicious of the two. "Right, well, now that's out of the way, I'd like my allies returned please." This is it, let's see what happens when you try to push your luck! "Namely, Betty and... uh, Avenger." The room goes completely silent, so silent that you could hear a pin drop.
But after a few seconds of the awkward silence, the Manaka on the left laughs softly. Of course, the one on the right remains silent, but it seems that at least one of them seems to be willing to play along with your requests. "Ha! See, what did I tell you, me! I told you he'd use the exact wording against me!" Huh? "Very well, I'll grant you this." The girl raises a single hand before winking at you. "I hope to see you soon!" She snaps her fingers, and the scenery begins to rapidly change and warp around you until you find yourself in front of your own mansion once again, Shirou standing close to Saber and Betty close to you. Of course, there's one additional person laying on the floor, a tall boy who looks to be around your age, his skin is slightly tanned and he's not wearing a shirt, allowing you to see the tattoos of red ink emblazoned on his bare skin. His long, spiky black hair is clasped together into a sort of lazy ponytail with a metal band, and he looks... awfully familiar. This must be Avenger, then.Status Updated!>Go inside, find Illya and Sakura. Tell them what happened.>Take a moment to talk to your allies outside about what just occurred.>Try to wake up Avenger, you think it's about time you had a proper chat with the Heroic Spirit of Vengeance.>Write-in...
>>4619682>>Go inside, find Illya and Sakura. Tell them what happened.
>>4619682>>Take a moment to talk to your allies outside about what just occurred.Look at the bright side, at least we no one's dead yet!
>>4619682>reverse searches the imageHERCULES LILY HOLY SHITHOLY FUCKING SHIT>Go inside, find Illya and Sakura. Tell them what happened. Drag the Heroic Spirit with you.
So our options for developing our powers are:1) Ask Altrouge for help.2) Ask Nyarlathotep for help.3) Ask Touko for help.
>>4619700I'd prefer to stay far away from Altrouge until we're forced to deal with her honestly. Fuck, I'd trust Nyarly over her. He's sure to have his own plans, but at the very least he's not been actively hostile towards us.
>>4619682>>Take a moment to talk to your allies outside about what just occurred.>>4619700Let's not deal with Altrouge until we have to. Considering we grabbed Betty, we probably have a better chance of pulling something off with Nya but I'm not sure how I feel about indebting ourselves to him. And Touko would just be more of what we were doing before the Grail War (probably, unless she wants to pull some bullshit out).
>>4619682>Go inside, find Illya and Sakura. Tell them what happened.
>>4619682>Try to wake up Avenger, you think it's about time you had a proper chat with the Heroic Spirit of Vengeance.If he's actually a young herc, why is he an avenger again?
>>4619682>>Go inside, find Illya and Sakura. Tell them what happened.Group meeting time. Manaka wants to be the final boss really bad huh? I feel like all of this is setting up for us to confront her as the final boss when we've beaten every other servant and master pair and got "stronger". But this isn't an ordinary Grail War, and I think Manaka is underestimating what Nyarly and Altrouge has planned. Where the hell is Gilgamesh? >>4619698Alcides Lily is probably even stronger than Strange/Fake Alcides. Does Herc just get more and more OP the younger he gets? >>4619700Touko definitely needs to intervene, we should not trust the other two options at all.
>>4619721Einzbern magic probably. Poor Herc never has a truly "clear-headed" and healthy version of himself.
>>4619708>>4619715>>4619723Every option has its pros and cons.1) Being turned into vampire by someone like Altrouge would make us a lot stronger both physically and magically. Plus there is a chance we would get her pet Beast on our side.The problem is that we have no clue what she would ask in return, and we would not be in a position to refuse any of her demands.2) Nyarla could help us the most out of those 3 but the problem is that he is an outer god. We have no clue about his motives or goals in this war. Also if we offend or annoy him we might get some permanent penalty.3) Touko has the least potential out of those 3. We have been her student for 10 years. Unless she has some super secret ritual that will unlock our chakras or something I don't think there is much she can do. On the other hand, she is unlikely to make some outrageous demands of us.
Could it be time to visit the clock tower again?What other fonts of power could be worth pursuing?
Thirty five minutes till I call.
>>4619682Find illya and sakura
>>4619751Hey WhatIsAQM! How many updates will there be today before the session ends, if you don't mind me asking?
>>4619760I'm thinking I might be able to get about two more done.
>>4619682>Try to wake up Avenger, you think it's about time you had a proper chat with the Heroic Spirit of Vengeance.Let's do this first. We saved him, let's make sure where we both stand before we talk to Ilya and Sakura.
>>4619682>>Go inside, find Illya and Sakura. Tell them what happened.Bring Avenger
>>4619682>Go inside, find Illya and Sakura. Tell them what happened.Bring Avenger with us
>>4619682>>Go inside, find Illya and Sakura. Tell them what happened.must protecc
>>4619682>Go inside, find Illya and Sakura. Tell them what happened.technical success?we retrieved Avenger without anyone dying
>>4619863We also managed to get out with three of the most powerful servants in this story in our arsenal. Plus Shriou still has Avalon inside of him. If the story really calls for us having to take down all of the other enemy Master and Servant pairs to get our friends back we would probably win most of the time. I'd say it was a lot better than it could have been,.
>>4619863yeah we just lost most of our team to the Nasuverse equivalent of the Devil which includes our little sister's big sister and her servant, we did good alright
You catch your breath for a moment as you make sure that nobody that came with you is harmed. It doesn't seem as if Shirou or Betty were even aware that they were seperated from you at all, though you're only half listening as Shirou says to Saber how one minute he was next to her in the dark room and the next moment he found himself out here. Hmm, individual manipulation of time, perhaps? It's certainly something that somebody on Manaka's level would be capable of doing, and it's actually surprisingly merciful considering just what horrors that the two girls could've exposed your allies to. Betty just seems a little bit confused as to what's going on and you don't really want to burden her too much with the information.You rifle a hand through your hair as you sigh. "Everyone, we took a... large defeat, we need to find Illya and Sakura as soon as possible so I can explain just how we were defeated." You look at the unconscious form of Avenger on the floor. "I managed to at least... retrieve Avenger, but the cost was... far too high."Shirou finally starts looking around and realizes just how few people are actually with you. "Then... did everyone else...?" He seems genuinely distressed as he realizes that he may have been one of the few survivors of your group. You can tell even the thought of it is enough to bring great pain to his psyche."No. They aren't dead, and I'll say nothing more on it till we meet up with Illya and Sakura... I'm... really not looking forward to talking with Sakura now." Explaining just what happened to Rider is going to be quite... difficult. Even if Sakura didn't get to know her Servant all too well just yet, the bond between a Servant and a Master is a powerful one, and despite "Why is that, Onii-chan?" You nearly jump out of your skin as you hear Sakura's voice from the door, seems like your arrival hasn't gone unnoticed. This girl is scarily observant sometimes, and you need to remember that she might make herself appear to be unobservant, but she's actually at least as sharp as her elder sister. Maybe even more so, Rin can be hilariously foolish sometimes. You feel a pang of guilt for thinking that immediately as you consider Rin's current situation because of you.
"A-ah! Sakura! Let's uhm... Let's go inside. I need to talk to everyone right away." Sakura clearly wants answers as to why she can't properly feel the presence of or communicate with Rider or potentially even summon her Servant with a command spell, if she got worried. She'll have to wait too. This information you're about to tell your allies is of a highly secretive nature. There's no telling just what might happen if the Mage's Association were to find out about Manaka's existence. Hell, this entire grail war is a mess, but the mere existence of a girl with a direct connection to the Root itself would likely cause hundreds of magi to start making moves on Fuyuki, not to mention the involvement of actual factions within the guild. No, even if you're confident in your bounded fields to keep out most intruders, you can't be sure that a Servant hasn't already infiltrated the grounds. Saber seems to decide to pick up Avenger and take him inside without any instruction.A few minutes later and you find yourself sitting around a coffee table, with one of the maids serving tea. Shirou looks a little bit awkward in this setting, obviously being far more used to Japanese furniture. Everyone is looking at you expectantly, with the exception of Saber, who looks to be in deep thought. This grail war has probably already caused her to question herself more than the entire Fourth War did, of course, you don't know just what she made of what Manaka said in front of her. You might need to discuss that with her in private at some point. But for now..."Everyone. I need to tell you what happened." You turn to Illya first. "As you can see, I managed to successfully retrieve your Servant, but as a result of doing so..." You sigh. "Everyone else has been captured." There's a gasp of air from Sakura as she realizes just where Rider and Rin are. She wasn't exceptionally close with her sister, not as much as she could be, but their relationship was a good one and was definitely improving."But... how could that have happened?" Illya sounds genuinely distressed by the fact that you were seemingly almost annihilated even with such overwhelming numbers.You frown deeply. "Our enemy was far above even what I was expecting. It turns out that Gilgamesh isn't the greatest threat in this war to us after all. In truth, the true greatest threat is..." You don't know just how Illya is going to take this, but you decide to just get it over with. "It's a girl with a direct connection to the Root. She's the being that has invaded the grail."
"What. But... that doesn't make any sense! No such person exists!" Illya shouts in shock. You might have to decide just how much you want to reveal to your allies about Manaka's true identity.>Have Saber help you explain things.>Try to keep things relatively vague about Manaka.>Just reveal everything you know about Manaka.>You suppose there's never going to be a good time for it. Reveal everything you know about Manaka as well as the truth about yourself.>Write-in...
>>4619888Reveal about manaka and yourself
>>4619888>>Just reveal everything you know about Manaka.
>>4619888>Just reveal everything you know about Manaka.The fictional thing should be kept in our pocket for the time being. Saber could call us out on the "child possessed by an external spirit" thing right here though, and we'd be forced to spill
>>4619888>>Just reveal everything you know about Manaka.Some things are better left unsaid.
>>4619888>>Just reveal everything you know about Manaka.There's literally no reason to hold anything back about Manaka but maybe keep what we actually are under wraps. Sakura won't give a shit, she loves us, Shirou is Shirou but idk how Illya might react
>>4619917You think Saber will want us dead if she finds out about the isekai thing?
>>4619919Why would she?
>>4619919oh fuck, i forgot about Saber, at worst, Shirou forces a command seal because we're still his best friend, but Saber would want to know how things play out if she believes the isekai thing and that might effect her mentally
>>4619919There's no reason for her to kill us, we aren't crazy or wanting to genocide the whole world like Manaka. We've been nothing but friendly and cordial to everyone. If anything she might think we're psychic or some kind of True Magician with how much shit that we know.
>>4619927>We've been nothing but friendly and cordial to everyonewe both know thats not true. Also I almost forgot but her surrogate father was Merlin, so like, probably used to it so its actually looking good and she might respect us
>>4619919We might have to ask everyone to trust us when we say that it's best for them to remain ignorant.This war is going to be difficult enough without subjecting our friends to existential despair.
>>4619888>Just reveal everything you know about Manaka.
>>4619921Because we're from outside this reality? We technically killed and overwrote the original Shinji Matou with our own self. Current Shinji is a merged self, but we don't know how true that all really is.>>4619924There's easy ways to prove the isekai/fictional thing, ways she cannot deny or refute in any easy way.>>4619927>If anything she might think we're psychic or some kind of True Magician with how much shit that we know.Knowing your story was already written without the changes and alterations in this quest's reality would hit hard no matter who you are. We could play Saber her own theme. We could recite the entire plot of canon F/SN. We could recite the entire canon events of Fate/Zero. We could tell her about things from her own life, like Merlin, Mordred, etc.>>4619930Here's a thought: How will we be able to explain things that aren't explained? Details, battles, events, people, things that neither Nasu nor anybody else with writing power explained and included anywhere in any F/SN franchise materials that this Shinji would know or remember? Shinji only knows what he knows from canon events and depictions and everything in the franchise; ultimately he isn't a god or omniscient or psychic or a True Magician. Shinji is just a 30 year old guy in the body of a high-schooler with encyclopedic knowledge of the entire world they live in and unfailing character insight of many many people that live in it alongside him. He has a vast amount of personal information on everybody and most things, but he can and is still taken for a loop when faced with things that aren't "scripted" or "as written". That's what ultimately makes and keeps him human, despite what he might be now as a merged spiritual being with the soul of a man from the outside, from the real.
Calling in 35 minutes.
>>4619944All i'm saying is that I think its a bad call since we'd basically be admitting that we're playing with the lives of people we care about and we kinda let some of them suffer
>>4619944>Because we're from outside this reality? We technically killed and overwrote the original Shinji Matou with our own self. Current Shinji is a merged self, but we don't know how true that all really is.Why would she care?>We could play Saber her own theme. We could recite the entire plot of canon F/SN. We could recite the entire canon events of Fate/Zero. We could tell her about things from her own life, like Merlin, Mordred, etc.Why would we do any of that? She doesn't seem to care that much about our nature.>Shinji is just a 30 year old guyWhere did you get that? Here is a direct quote from the first thread: "You clutch your forehead in distress. What... what happened to you? What's wrong with your body? What's wrong with your mind? None of this makes any sense! You can't remember how old you are, you can't remember your own face! You can't even remember your own name!".
>>4619954>playing with the lives of people we care about and we kinda let some of them sufferLike a real true ruler ought to do, don't you agree? Saber's done more than her fair share of that in her time as king of Britain. If she brings that up, can't we retort with this at her? Repeat that we did what we did to get the best outcome for everybody, as knowing their canon fates and predicaments gives us the power to plan to affect them positively. Bringing up that we could have merely decided not to give a single fuck and reaped the full benefits of metaknowledge over others and the world many many times until now, committed lots of atrocities and went all in on the evil manipulative mastermind role to the point of being unstoppable. We decided to participate in the HGW as a Master, when we could have easily decided not to be and plotted from the shadows and spent our time doing anything but survive in this fake battle royale. We did none of these things, deciding instead to be the good guy, to try to help the people we knew weren't real people, characters written and planned out by some Japanese mushroom gamer and designed and drawn by some Japanese rat artist.Though this does bring up the question: why even care to begin with?
>>4619944>Shinji is just a 30 year old guy in the body of a high-schoolertechnically we'd be in our late 40s early 50s now
>>4619963Fine, you've proven your point. Then who do you think might care enough to take it out on Shinji?
>>4619966Ok we can get Saber with FACTS and LOGIC, we have Sakura and Shirou wrapped around our finger but Illya might not buy it so easily. There's also the existential crisis some of them might get when they're told they're fictional characters in an eroge
>>4619968Archer probably. He is a counter guardian after all, so he would treat any otherworldly presence with a distrust. Especially since we are a threat to the world apparently.>>4619973We are Saber's only capable ally in this shit show of a war. As long as we don't start massacring civilians en masse she ain't gonna do shit.
The world we are in is a real one. People in it live, breathe, work and dream. Of course we know its story as fictional, but right now for us it’s a reality we live and with people we care about.And we see servants as people too.
>>4619973Honestly it would be better if we can avoid telling anyone about the true nature of the world.I'm fine with people knowing that we're a weirdo soul with a connection to the universe with preternatural knowledge of many of the entities within, but actually telling people they live within an elaborate excuse for rule 63 historical pornography is completely unnecessary and kind of rude.
>>4619980You might think that but our character made a number of quite sociopathic comments about the nature of the world.I am pretty sure that if he had a good reason he would genocide the whole city without batting an eye.
>>4619973>existential crisis some of them might get when they're told they're fictional characters in an erogeI wouldn't even be surprised if it turned out to be true IRL and I'm a random background character who shows up in one still shot.
>>4619993It's an interesting trade off in empathy.Because of his knowledge of the lives of the characters and the story they exist in, he can feel deeply for people he's never met, and genuinely wish the best for them even if they do nothing for him personally. On the other hand, its very easy for him to dehumanize strangers because in his mind he knows they aren't important, seeing them as placeholders and background scenery in a story that doesn't concern them.
>>4619984>YOUR SOLE EXISTANCE IS SO THIS REDHEADED JAPANESE SEIGI NO MIKATA FUCKS YOUImagine how Saber, Rin, and Sakura would react to that big reveal. Imagine how mortified Shirou would become
>>4619993That’s true and I wonder to what extent that is ironically Shinji part of the Gestalt that thinks like that, based on isekai-self’s knowledge. Perhaps as means of coping of what we know of original Shinji’s fate.
>>4620017You think WhatIs is gonna explore that in this quest?
Don't really wanna have to tell Shirou and Sakura that they have the potential to murder everyone if they get pushed enough or how Rin could get mindfucked and raped by Sakura
>>4620009we have a weird sense of empathy, we literally view strangers as NPCs not worth our time but we're spent more than a decade trying to save the people closest to us, even before they befriended or got to know us
>>4620006>I wouldn't even be surprised if it turned out to be true IRL and I'm a random background character who shows up in one still shot.Now here's a very insane thing: What if we can find these motherfuckers somewhere?https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Kinoko_Nasuhttps://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Takashi_Takeuchiand how would they be as a tag-team superboss where one acts as Master and the other acts as Servant, or something else?
>>4620031>Rin could get mindfucked and raped by SakuraDid you know somebody made a doujin of that Femme Fatale bad end 40? The one Taiga says is a "harem ending" in the Taiga Dojo? https://nhentai.net/g/333071/ This one is also kino because the writing style is similar to Nasu's own
"Alright, well I'll tell you what I know about this girl, and it might sound a little bit outlandish, but I don't want any interruptions." You looks around the room to get confirmation that nobody is going to blurt out some exclamation of disbelief during your explanation, and honestly, you wouldn't be surprised if they did so anyway, especially with what you're about to tell them.Satisfied with the response, you continue on anyway. "Alright. Well, the first thing you need to understand about this girl is that she purposely never revealed her talents to the world, already having been connected to the Root, she effectively saw no purpose in life." You sigh. "That was up until she got herself involved in a Grail War... in Tokyo.""Pardon?" Illya just couldn't help herself from cutting in. But again, you aren't going to blame her."You heard me right, this girl got herself involved in a grail war in Tokyo, one not organized by the Einzbern. The girl's Servant was none other than King Arthur here." You gesture a hand to Saber, who takes a step backwards in shock. Clearly not certain of what you're doing, but feeling the need to defend herself either way. yourself"I... I've never seen either of those girls before in my life!" Saber quickly defends herself, she's obviously almost as confused as Illya is right now, you aren't really sure just how much she actually comprehended what Manaka was saying back underneath the Temple, considering she likely just thought her opponent insane at the time. After all, she's already had an awful experience with a magecraft wielding opponent who was completely insane, so she might've even started tuning things out."No, it would be stranger if you had, Saber." You lean forwards on your seat. "I don't think I explained it in enough detail to you back then. I said it was a version of yourself from another timeline, but it's a little more complicated than that. The version of King Arthur this girl is obsessed with is... well it's a male version of yourself from a timeline quite detached from our own, as strange as it sounds. She ended up falling in love with this Saber, and wanted to fulfill his wish at any cost." Saber looks genuinely worried about how much you know about this parallel version of herself, but before you can ask her why... "And his wish was...?" Saber's voice is as quiet as the squeak of a mouse, the idea that somebody might know just what it is she seeks the grail for is enough to fill her with shame, it seems. Of course, you do know, and you do think it's immensely stupid, but that's besides the point. It is quite ironic that both the male and female King Arthur have equally impossible wishes that the Holy Grail would be incapable of actually granting.
"To create an everlasting Albion, of course." Saber's emotions become an unreadable mix, though you're pretty certain she must be feeling both shameful and envious of the indomitable will of this parallel version of herself. Her wish is terribly cowardly in comparison. "But back on topic, the girl was powerful enough to even control a Servant as powerful as the Beast of Revelations. She intended to destroy the entire world in order to gain enough energy to make Saber's dream a reality through her own power. Believe me when I say that this girl is truly nightmarishly powerful, more so than even her own Saber." You breathe in and allow that to sink in before you finish off your explanation. "And, for whatever reason, there are two of them. They... seem to want to use me for something, though I'm unsure what it is." You decide to cut the parts of the conversation that would be far too difficult for you to explain, and your allies all look deep in thought. Then, you can hear... clapping? The clapping sound of two armored gauntlets, but a quick glance around the room reveals that it can't be anybody here. Saber is the only person who would wear such things, and her hands are clenched firmly to the arm rests of the armchair she's sitting on. You find yourself turning about completely, only to find yourself staring directly at what look like golden ripples of light floating in mid-air. Oh no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGKAEaXQoEQ A gold plated Servant appears, stepping through the portal created by the Gate of Babylon and ceasing his clapping as he looks at each person in the room, one by one. "I was hoping that one of you mongrels knew just who the dog who is sealing off my vision was." And then there's this asshole! Through the portal steps the last man you wanted to see today. Gilgamesh, the King of Heroes himself. Seems that your bounded fields were no match for his Noble Phantasm. Annoying, but rather predictable, it is Gilgamesh, after all. He did say something really quite odd though, is he actually taking the war seriously enough that he tried to use Sha Naqba Imuru? What's more concerning is his inability to actually do so. Is Manaka powerful enough to even prevent the usage of a Noble Phantasm like that? "So, one with a connection to the Swirl of the Root? That does explain things."What do you want, Archer?" Saber is in full combat regalia, sword drawn. She stares at Gilgamesh with a not-unsubstantial hatred. She's ready to attack Gilgamesh at any time, but thankfully, Gilgamesh doesn't seem to be so willing to return Saber's hostility right now."Nothing from you, Saber." Gilgamesh treats Saber with no small amount of disrespect as he dismisses her as if she was completely irrelevant. "My plans have been... altered significantly, thanks to the presence of those two mongrels." Oh, what a shame, you'll need to find some other doomsday weapon to try to use to kill off most of humanity. "In truth, I'm only here to... retrieve something." You're just about to get ready to attack Gilgamesh, hearing his words as a threat intended for Illya, but instead, he simply raises an arm opens a hand and you feel a very minute scuttling behind your right ear, mere moments later you see Gilgamesh catch something in his open palm. An ornate looking beetle made of gold and sapphires. The King of Heroes gives you a dangerous look as he inspects what is undoubtedly some form of Noble Phantasm. It's purpose is unknown, but you can guess it with relative ease. He must've been listening in! "You've been a great help to me..." His gaze turns as cold as ice as he looks directly into your eyes, and it feels as if his piercing red eyes are gazing directly into your soul. "...Outsider." He guffaws in laughter as he refers to you as such, before he starts to turn around in order to leave through the same portal he came in with.>Just let Gilgamesh leave. No good can come of rising to his antagonism.>Ask Gilgamesh a question before he leaves (What?)>Screw this guy. Attack Gilgamesh with truth!>Ask Gilgamesh if your faction can help him deal with the two girls under the mountain. Knowing Gilgamesh, even if he came here for help, he'd be far too proud to ask.>Write-in...
>>4620149Ask if we can help best Boi
>>4620149>>Ask Gilgamesh if your faction can help him deal with the two girls under the mountain. Knowing Gilgamesh, even if he came here for help, he'd be far too proud to ask.Word it like like you're asking if you can serve him against Manaka as you want her defeated too. We gotta choose our words carefully or else he might get pissed and kill us
>>4620149>>Ask Gilgamesh if your faction can help him deal with the two girls under the mountain. Knowing Gilgamesh, even if he came here for help, he'd be far too proud to ask.We should try and save Left Manaka though, she seems decent.
And that brings an end to todays session. I hope you enjoyed it.
>>4620157Maybe wife her even
>>4620161I miss her
>>4620149When the hell did he plant a bug on us?>Just let Gilgamesh leave. No good can come of rising to his antagonism.Feel like he's gonna get smacked off screen.
>>4620149>Just let Gilgamesh leave. No good can come of rising to his antagonism.>Write-in...(Have a good ol' fashion internal scream session. We really need one I think.)
If we killed ourselves would we still go to the dojo?
>>4620165It's ok, it's not like she held any hopes of not being abandoned anyway.
>>4620157I'm really tickled by the existence of a character called Left Manaka and by how she has quickly been deemed superior to Right Manaka.
>>4620161Good job! Thank you for the intense session.
>>4620149>>Just let Gilgamesh leave. No good can come of rising to his antagonism. But also say as he is leaving: >>Write-in...>I forgot to mention that you fell head over heels in love for a certain girl in that other world, so much so that you were willing to go to hell and back for her. She exists in this world too if you are willing to look for her. (Maybe A-san can humanize him more like Ayaka did?)
>>4620161Thanks for running for today QM. Really enjoyed the reveals in the story!
>>4620194Does she actually exist in this world tho?Right Manaka has been in this world for a while. There is a good chance that she killed Ayaka from this world.
>>4620149>>Ask Gilgamesh if your faction can help him deal with the two girls under the mountain. Knowing Gilgamesh, even if he came here for help, he'd be far too proud to ask.Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
>>4620199Ayaka does live in Fuyuki around this time according to Strange/Fake. She is part of the "A-san" haunted apartment rumor that was spreading at Shirou's high school, so much so that Taiga banned people from talking about the story because she's scared easily by cheesy ghost stories.
>>4620194What did that poor girl do to you that you want to send this asshole to her.
>>4620182Stop making me feel guilty QM I'm already upset that Monica is gone.