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It was a fateful night. Deep within the gene vaults beneath the imperial palace, built over and from the remains of the Himalazian mountains, under the very beating heart of the newly born imperium of man and protected by the mightiest and most potent Gellar fields every devised by human minds, lay Twenty unborn Demigods.

The gene crafted sons of the Emperor of mankind himself, forged from his own arcane genetics and knowledge, each hand crafted to lead humanity from its long night into a glorious new dawn. The Primarch project's fruits at last ripened after centuries of work, lay sleeping within their gestation capsules.

Arcane sigils covered their "cribs", each a technological marvel in of itself, another layer of protection for the children and tools of the master of mankind to make his great ambition a reality.

Each a master of a field, the most perfect warrior, the most charismatic Politician, the savviest organizer, lords of science, war, socialization and far more. Each could be a wise leader, great conqueror or hero of fairytale myths from humanity's forgotten past.

But by the cruel hands of those beings who call themselves lords over the fate and soul of all the galaxy and reality itself, and the malignant intelligence of dark gods, Humanity's hope would be stolen away from their father's and masters grasp.

A spiteful spit in the Anathema's face, to steal away and corrupt his greatest work and very sons from under his nose, and set in motion the beginning of the unavoidable end for him and his flock alike, and end his gospel of reason and progress before it could spread to tighten around their throats and choke the life from them and their progeny.

Even protected by the greatest protections both arcane and scientific that the greatest minds of mankind could create or even imagine, The Emperor's progeny could not be guarded by the combined might of the four gods of chaos working in tandem to wreck ruin and sorrow upon the Temporal mortal realm.

And in that cold nursery, beneath uncountable tons of stone, steel, ceramite and unknown technologies, the terrible power of the chaos undivided rent a wound into reality itself, creating a localized warp rift within the very home of their great enemy.

But, fate's currents changed from their predestined path this night. For while the four great gods of chaos worked and turned their attention to the slumbering prizes, greedily grabbing at these would be saviors of mankind to send to distant and brutal worlds far from Terra, where they could freely manipulate and seduce them into their own service instead.

A shadow slipped in behind their backs and perceptions, the specter of a god forgotten and unborn, the ghost of a deity aborted or perhaps yet unborn. And it waited
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>>4510838

As the twenty primarchs' gestation capsules were taken by the warp and set to sail upon its currents, guided by the machinations and guiding hands of the four, the forgotten fifth struck as they turned away, victorious and satisfied.

Though a mere shadow, an idea born from strife and nothing else, the unborn thought form enacted a plan that would shatter destiny's web. As the mightier and formed gods attentions returned to bickering and in fighting to claim more than their share of the sleeping demigods, the scattered and torn fifth drove its hands forward and worked its meager power to stir and disrupt their plans changing the very course of history and fate with the merest nudge to one of the pods, unnoticed by the gods.

A Demigod doomed to be forgotten, a Primarch lost to history and fated to be die unremembered and erased, was saved by chaos spiting itself, for acting in unison and orderly, a being turning upon its brothers and sisters by its very nature. The Primarch of the lost 2nd legion, was pushed into different eddies and currents in the warp, to a world undestined for his greatness and power.

And unheard by the four mighty gods of chaos, under the din of their immaterial war and battle raging once more, a cruel, mocking laugh echoed in the silence of the warp, having stolen the victory of all four without them ever even realizing its manipulations had taken place.

And with that one action, the fate of the universe had shifted as the 2nd Primarch's Gestation Capsule drifted to its new destination within the cosmos. To a world that was to become famous or infamous as the birth place of one of the emperor's twenty sons.

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>>4510839

What world will you make your own, 2nd?

> Voormis, Classification: Feral world. A world of Ancient forests and swamps pieced by inhospitable mountains and punctured by networks of deep cave systems. A lost colony of humanity lives a tribal existence within the swamps and forest, preyed upon by degenerate subhuman beasts and monsters and far worse that live in the heights and depths of the world.

> Shangrala, Classification: Feudal world. This planet is primarily made of vast fields and plains, with mountains and lost technology serving to create a near ever present fog in the lower parts the valleys and hills. It is ruled by warring kingdoms lead by depraved & hedonistic kings given patronage and a divine right to rule by the eight celestial courts.

> Carib 4, Classification: Death world. One of humanities poorest choices in a new home, a storm wracked world where the land is constantly swallowed and spat up by the sea, which is deep enough to reach the very core of the world. What human life manages to eke out an existence in this world, do so upon great ships and floating cities, preyed upon by great sea beasts and monstrosities from the depths.

>Bravan Prime, Classification: Civilized world. A world broken apart by clan warfare as well cultural and religious lines. It is in a constant state of war, both cold and hot, between the various peoples who live upon its surface. Though despite this near constant state of warfare, the average citizen lives a comfortable and peaceful life, aided by amenities and technological comforts, until they are called to war.
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>>4510841
>Bravan Prime, Classification: Civilized world. A world broken apart by clan warfare as well cultural and religious lines. It is in a constant state of war, both cold and hot, between the various peoples who live upon its surface. Though despite this near constant state of warfare, the average citizen lives a comfortable and peaceful life, aided by amenities and technological comforts, until they are called to war.

Well, uniting the clans feels fitting for a son of the emperor.
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>>4510856
+1
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>>4510841
>> Shangrala, Classification: Feudal world. This planet is primarily made of vast fields and plains, with mountains and lost technology serving to create a near ever present fog in the lower parts the valleys and hills. It is ruled by warring kingdoms lead by depraved & hedonistic kings given patronage and a divine right to rule by the eight celestial courts.
This quest reminds me of the quest with Primarch Sol.
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>>4510841
>> Shangrala, Classification: Feudal world. This planet is primarily made of vast fields and plains, with mountains and lost technology serving to create a near ever present fog in the lower parts the valleys and hills. It is ruled by warring kingdoms lead by depraved & hedonistic kings given patronage and a divine right to rule by the eight celestial courts.

Recover lost tech and become god king
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>>4510841
>> Shangrala, Classification: Feudal world. This planet is primarily made of vast fields and plains, with mountains and lost technology serving to create a near ever present fog in the lower parts the valleys and hills. It is ruled by warring kingdoms lead by depraved & hedonistic kings given patronage and a divine right to rule by the eight celestial courts.
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Carib 4 would have been my second choice since fighting giant sea monster would be awesome.
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>>4510841
> Shangrala, Classification: Feudal world. This planet is primarily made of vast fields and plains, with mountains and lost technology serving to create a near ever present fog in the lower parts the valleys and hills. It is ruled by warring kingdoms lead by depraved & hedonistic kings given patronage and a divine right to rule by the eight celestial courts.
I dig the whole “Unite Space China” thing although a Feral World Primarch sounds awesome in the case of a Feudal vs Feral tie, please consider my vote to be for Feral
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>>4510838
Did you write a sister of battle quest a few moths ago?
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>>4510892
> although a Feral World Primarch sounds awesome
>implying Death World Primarch wouldn’t have been more awesome
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>>4510907
Carib 4, Classification: Death world.

Primarchs of the Caribbean 4: Jhakkar Spearthrow and the The Salty Marines
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>>4510923
>Our capital ship is called the Black Pearl and is the fastest ship to sail the Warp.
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Welp, looks like we live in a feudal world now, i was thinking more of the general technological level of the world so we can get out quickly, so we can help the imperium faster.
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>>4510928
We’re one of the first found by the Emperor so it doesn’t really matter.
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>>4510841
>Carib 4, Classification: Death world. One of humanities poorest choices in a new home, a storm wracked world where the land is constantly swallowed and spat up by the sea, which is deep enough to reach the very core of the world. What human life manages to eke out an existence in this world, do so upon great ships and floating cities, preyed upon by great sea beasts and monstrosities from the depths.
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>>4510929
>We are the Forgotten Primarch
>Our Homeworld is a feudal one

We are fucken Sigmar.
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Alright, calling it now

Bravan prime: 2
Shangrala: 4
Carib: 1

Your home shall be the fog filled land of Shangralla, ruled by the iron fists of tyrants.

>>4510894
Nope, must've been another Malal.

>>4510943
Chinese Sigmar.

Writing the update now. Didn't expect this many votes, so we're off to a great start
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>>4510841
>> Carib 4, Classification: Death world. One of humanities poorest choices in a new home, a storm wracked world where the land is constantly swallowed and spat up by the sea, which is deep enough to reach the very core of the world. What human life manages to eke out an existence in this world, do so upon great ships and floating cities, preyed upon by great sea beasts and monstrosities from the depths.
Guess I’ll change to this but if it doesn’t win I’d rather

> Shangrala, Classification: Feudal world. This planet is primarily made of vast fields and plains, with mountains and lost technology serving to create a near ever present fog in the lower parts the valleys and hills. It is ruled by warring kingdoms lead by depraved & hedonistic kings given patronage and a divine right to rule by the eight celestial courts.
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>>4510957
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Emperor
Guess we the Huangdi now.
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>Chinese Sigmar
A Cathay Sigmar Would be funny.
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In the void above forgotten Shangrala, a rip in the materium released a gestation capsule, reaching the end of its long journey that had taken both years and mere moments at once, through both realspace and the warp, carried along the unseen winds of the Immaterium to its final destination. Not the one the dark gods had intended this cradle to make harbor, but it would be known in the future as the home of one of the emperor's own sons, for better or worse. The gravitational pull of the world pulled capsule from the cold vastness of the void, and into its atmosphere.

Where it became like a comet.
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Your arrival to the planet below, would go to be recorded in the records of time as a minor omen. A golden comet streaking through the sky and falling to the mortal realm. Some scholars claimed it was a sign of favor from the celestial courts above and unseen, to gain favor with their cruel lords. The layman in the fog hidden fields thought it was a demon screaming to the earth, slain by some distant noble or god, its bloodied corpse tossed to the lands of the living contemptuously. Only in the decades to follow would the truth of the matter be learned by the natives of this land.
At the present however, it was quickly forgotten in the face of a hard winter, that brought hunger to the nobility and starvation to the masses, while the royal family of each of the kingdoms ate and grew fat as they had for generations prior and to come. or so it would seem to all who lived beneath their heels and in fear of their inhuman wrath and cruelty.

The cold air was broken by your arrival, the silence of the night shattered as your cradle screamed through the heavens like a baleful star. The heat caused by the friction of the atmosphere set the metals of your crib glowing with fire, but such was its construction that its sole occupant was insulated and protected from the extreme heat and speed of its fall to the surface. All around the world, eyes watched and traced the trajectory of the blazing gold comet, as it grew closer to stopping suddenly and hard.

To some it was a drunken dragon with two tails, to others a sign of the end of days, and to others still a stall plucked from the heavens like a ripe plum and left to fall to feed, a gift to end the famine sent by the gods themselves in a benevolent act of mercy. The ever present fog, birthed from forgotten Archeotech from humanity's greatest age, parted and swallowed up the comet, but such was its incandescence, that it lit the valleys and banished away the shroud that had covered them for millennium.

With an almighty crash, louder than any thunderclap or ringing of metal, your capsule met the earth, and continued through it with the same ease as moving one's hand through still water. Until its momentum slowed, and finally died, the glowing metal pod coming to rest at last. The groan of metal cooling and hardening once more were the first sounds you heard, as your pod split open like a cracked egg.
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>>4510984
Where have you landed, 2nd?
> The wilds between kingdoms
> A battlefield, recently fought and filled with dead
> The lands of a minor noble family
> The rice fields of a village with no names
> write in?

>>4510960
Sorry, a bit late there.
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>>4510989
>> The wilds between kingdoms
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> The rice fields of a village with no names
Peasant born god king of Shangrala!
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>>4510989
>> The rice fields of a village with no names
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>>4510989

> The lands of a minor noble family
Or
>In the mountain the home of a grandmaster
This is a difficult one.
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>>4510989
> The rice fields of a village with no names
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Sad no one wants to play as a adopted son to a grandmaster.
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>>4510989
> A battlefield, recently fought and filled with dead
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>>4510989
>A battlefield, recently fought and filled with dead
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>>4510989
>> A battlefield, recently fought and filled with dead
Might as well change to this then.
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>>4510989
changing to
>>The rice fields of a village with no names
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So Malal, is Mystical Kung Fu going to be a thing?
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>>4510989
>The rice fields of a village with no names
the RICE GOD awakens
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>>4510989
> A battlefield, recently fought and filled with dead
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>>4511051
That’s the lamest thing to say.
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>>4511053
yeah
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>>4511054
I hope you know that the entire village being razed to the ground would likely be one of better results.
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Calling it
RICE FIELDS: 5
Battlefield: 4

Seems you'll land in the farms of the oppressed, those who have nothing, so not much to lose as a demigod orbital drops on their fields.

Writing the update

>>4511050
I mean, you're a primarch, so even normal martials arts would be pretty fucking devastating without adding in psyker bullshit or warp sorceries. So yes and no. Yes in that if you learn kung fu, you're a fuckmothering primarch and are a living warmachine and even mundane fighting styles when combined with you super human speed and strength would be ridiculous, and no as its Warhammer, so unless you stick your hand into the sorcery cookie jar or are a psyker, magic is out of the equation. or you know Shangrala pulls a Fenris/ Chogoris and has a world soul.

Shit even a space marine using martial arts/kung fu world be crazier than most martial arts movies/ stories, really. since they're super human murder machines.
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>>4511089
40k Wuxia would be some crazy shit with demon style corrupt martial arts and styles that demand perfect discipline to avoid corruption. Thing is Kung Fu isn’t just martial art but general self-improvement. It’s really interesting when you read about it.
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And your arrival proved most unfortunate indeed for the poor inhabitants of a village so unimportant to the the kingdom it existed within, its residents and the noble family who had owned it for many generations had never so much as graced it with a name. The tithes of rice grains, and what other sustenance they could muster from the soil around their home or their flocks of fowl and beasts of burden, being the only reason anyone outside of the village knew of its existence. It existed only as a meager note on the ledgers of the local taxmen, so small they never bothered to specify where exactly the tax had come from, and it often found its way into their own pockets rather than their lords larders and wealth, so small a fraction they provided.

And to these laymen, your arrival was a calamity. And would have destroyed the village in its entirety, if not for them being forced back to remain on the devastated land, to salvage what little was left and rebuild on the pain of torturous death. Their fields and the lands they worked had been torn asunder by what to their eyes seemed to be the wrathful fist of a god. And such was the labor taken to restore what remained of their homes and to bury those who had been so unfortunate to live in the path of the comet, that they had no mind to investigate what had caused such destruction. Until long after you had awoken, and they found merely a metal egg that none of them could make sense of.

Some claimed it was the shell of a great dragon, others a cage to hold a devil from causing mischief and murder, others even thought it may have been merely a strange gem fallen from a goddess' brooch. But while they worked and toiled, you survived on your coded instincts and knowledge, learning from the charred flesh left in the wake of your gestation pod, and surviving off the farm animals that had remained free and out of their pens since your arrival. And the predators that thought you easy prey in your infancy.

Such skills, gained from your first meals in your life, taught you how to survive and thrive even the cruel winter. but the inherited memories of the most unlucky of farmers, brought with them a sorrow. A feeling born from their memories. Of devastation of famine, the love of a family, the struggle to live in such a state. And though you survived in the wilderness, growing for some time on your own, the remnants of those slain by your landing drove you to seek companionship outside of the wild creatures you had preyed upon. You had an urge to live among other men , of which you only knew by inborn knowledge and genetic teaching, both from your creation whatever it may be and the stolen memories of the dead. A desire for a community, a family, burned in your heart, your mind, your very soul.

And as you watched them from the wilds, saw them struggle in the face of fast approaching winter, dying of hunger and weakness in the ruins they were forced to survive in.
You made a choice

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>>4511113

And what was it, 2nd?
[] You chose to work along side them, knowing how to tend fields even so early in your life, from the memories of the fallen
[] You'd bring the beasts of the fog filled woods and wilds to their village, hoping it'd help feed the village
[] Watch them from the wilds as you continued surviving on your own, growing stronger and older
[] Cull the weak so the rest may live easier. It was the only way the whole may survive the winter
[] Write in ?

>>4511106
Imagine being the chaos gods, and having the son of the fucker who stole power from you come up and steal more of your secrets so he could preform "Monkey steals peach" on your daemons, that are aspects of yourself.
I'd kill myself out of shame.

Though I'm not sure how much the self improvement of martial arts would help an astartes or their primarch, but it'd certainly make for a unique legion.
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>>4511115
>[X] You'd bring the beasts of the fog filled woods and wilds to their village, hoping it'd help feed the village
Let's be looooow-end xianxia hyper-conan
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>>4511115
>You chose to work along side them, knowing how to tend fields even so early in your life, from the memories of the fallen
we need to go full cultivator hero
either that, or learn to blow people up by punching them.
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>>4511115
>Imagine being the chaos gods, and having the son of the fucker who stole power from you come up and steal more of your secrets so he could preform "Monkey steals peach" on your daemons, that are aspects of yourself
That’s more Xianxia and is by nature offensive to beings like the Chaos gods.
>Though I'm not sure how much the self improvement of martial arts would help an astartes or their primarch, but it'd certainly make for a unique legion.
Well it’s not that unusual considering that some marines train to be prepared for anything.
>[] You'd bring the beasts of the fog filled woods and wilds to their village, hoping it'd help feed the village
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>>4511116
actually in retrospect this option is better for the wuxia hero, so I'll support this instead.
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So getting hit by 81 lightning bolts of heavenly tribulation when?
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>[x] You'd bring the beasts of the fog filled woods and wilds to their village, hoping it'd help feed the village
i thought about helping them out with work, but this option seems more interesting for now, while still attempting to be compassionate
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Imma just throw this out there, but could we get a Knight at some point? Would be kinda awesome being a Primarch whose further augmented to be in a Mechanical Knight.
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>>4511116
>+1

We promise you food, this you become our men.
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>>4511134
counterpoint - you can't do martial arts in a knight.
now, a titan on the other hand...
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>>4511124
>inb4 must rise to power and strangle four daemon generals, one of each god, and then a "daemon emperor" of "chaos undivided"
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>>4511134
>>4511138
Thinking no. We should let our mortal subordinates handle the giant mechs.
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>>4511134
Only if we get crippled to the point of needing a dreadnought
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Bringing Beasts to feed the starving Villagers: 5
Well there aren't any differing votes, so I'll be writing the update now.
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>>4510989
>> A battlefield, recently fought and filled with dead
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These people needed food, and fast. and while you knew on instinct that you could work near indefinitely while the starved farmers could only work for half the day at most, longer if pushed to the point of breaking, you were still just one extra worker in the fields. No matter how quickly you planted the crop, or how vast of a field you could tend, or the fact you could keep at tending and watching the crops for the entire season with little to no rest, none of that would change the crushing truth of the situation this village found itself in.

These people would all succumb to sickness or hunger before the cold of the coming season would make their graves. Even if there was enough time to properly seed the fields, grow and nurture the plants so they could bare a sufficient supply of grain to feed them all, half or more would already have died. You knew this, but you did not know how you knew this. It was as simple of knowledge as how to breath, how to walk, how to most effectively kill with your hands. You simply knew it as you knew every other part of your being. But, by your calculations, judging from the shifting in the winds and falling temperature, the winter would fall upon this valley far faster than it should in a standard seasonal cycle. And even if this knowledge wasn't a part of your inborn wisdom, you could have figured it out by merely watching the farmers dress themselves in thicker fur and straw clothing.

If you were to try to aid in their efforts in the fields, they would all be dead by the middle of winter if not at an earlier date. And that was accounting for the possibility of them supplementing their diet with the bodies of the fallen. Without any assistance this entire community would vanish by first frost, and that was the conclusion you cam to without factoring in external dangers. Sudden shifts in the weather, the predators you've been hunting to feed yourself, disputes among themselves or particularly virulent sicknesses.

It didn't concern you with how much you knew, despite being, as far as you could figure a newborn. Nor the difference in your body and those around you, while you resembled the creatures in the villages, those men, it was clear you were apart from them and separate from them.

But there was still a feeling of kinship that would not let you ignore their plight, as you watched them toil themselves with pointless labor, in the ever present fog. It only hastened their deaths and would produce nothing. The woods where you had retreated to escape the elements, however, was bountiful with meat.

If grain or any other kind of crop could not be produced soon enough to save these people, then fresh meat would have to suffice. With a steady supply of game, they might just be able to endure the winter.

Standing up from the perch you had been standing on, on the crest formed from where you had first awoken.
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>>4511196
you turned to the wilds surrounding the small community and set off in search of prey to feed them with.


The air was already frigid, but despite only being dressed in the torn skin of one of the large feline creatures that had attempted to make a meal out of you during your first nights, it did not bother you in the slightest. The ragged white hide wrapped around your chest and waist billowed in the wind, as it blew against you in your slow march beneath the sea of trees and mist. Most of the life within your chosen home knew now to avoid you, rather by instinct or deadly lesson at your hands.

But there were some particularly dangerous forms of life that would still try to contend with you, and one of them was your first quarry. It had made you aware of its presence with territorial markings upon the trees and stones. And finding its den was as simple as following the signs.

Standing firm and silent, before a graveyard of bones of men and beast, you began to call out and challenge the great predator, howling and growling to draw its attention.

It emerges, with fur white and silver sheen, larger than the beasts of burden within the village, large enough to bite through a normal man's chest with a single bite. Their preferred prey animal, if the knowledge you had was correct.

It was called a Fog Panther, six limbs in total, thick fur and hide. Spears and other simple weapons would be useless unless one could force them past its natural defenses. Its claws and fangs were the most dangerous feature of its anatomy. Both were curved, jagged edges that tore flesh as easily as they cut through it.

The beast snarled at you, accepting your challenge, fur bristling as it watched you with two hateful eyes. It did not know to fear you yet. The wind blew, silence fell upon this field of bones and battle. The two combatants did not move, did not breath. The Panther did not remove its eyes from yours.

Then with a snap of femur breaking beneath its feet, it leapt, snarling and spitting as it threw itself at you. But you did not move, instead, you took what you learned from its fellows. Reaching out with your might arm, you took it by its neck the moment before it collided with you.

It kicked, screaming and hissing, claws digging against your skin but unable to cut it. Despite being a bit larger than yourself, you held it suspended in the air with no effort or strain on your part. You had its carotid artery pinched between three of your fingers. You did not know how you knew this term, but you knew that by increasing the pressure of your grip. It'd die, its brain and organs starved of oxygen. The same method of which it hunted creatures of similar size to itself. Any other method would be merely a waste of calories, though you did not know what that word meant, precisely.

Within a minutes, the beast was slain, falling limp in your grasp, having lost consciousness five minutes before the life fled its body.
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>>4511200
It would keep the village fed for a week with proper rationing, maybe longer depending on their needs and supplemental sources of food.

The fangs of the fog panther would be a great tool to gather more sources of food for starving villagers, while you could easily best them with your bare hands and raw strength, its fangs were better suited to killing than your own nails or teeth. it simply lacked the necessary strength to pierce your own hide.
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A most queer and bizarre sight was seen later that day, but the hopeless farmers who had already accepted their slow, crawling deaths from hunger or the winter's embrace or their lord's soldiers. A young boy, more built and muscular than any of their Oxen, dressed in the tattered pelt of one of the man eating Fog predators, had come into their village, alone. With hair the color of iron, he came from the forest, his eyes a golden hue, his expression proud and satisfied , as he brought forth from the depths of woods the bodies of beasts most terrible.

A Fog panther, with both of its saber fangs torn from its jaws, the same creature that he dressed in the fur off. A beast that would take ten men, to kill and would devour half of them if they were lucky. That had terrified the locals, as they believed it must've been sleeping, until the youth returned with five wild swine, their necks pierced with a single puncture wound on the side of their necks, with the precision of a trained spearman.

The hunter did not say a word, as he carried the animals to the center of the town, and set them down into a pile. Never once acknowledging the people around him, as they gathered around him, marveling at his flawless complexion and handsome features
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For some reason the starving men had not yet eaten the gifts you had given to them, and were instead gawking at you with wide eyed amazement. You had some understanding of their tongue, enough to hear what they were saying of you.

"Who is he?"
"What is he?
"A boy took down those monsters?"
"His eyes and hair...so strange"
"Is he a monster as well? A demon of the fog?"
"He..he was sent by the celestial courts, to save us"
"No child could survive meeting a fog panther, let alone slay one"
"I think its a gift"


Well 2nd? How do you react to this
[] Lumber off back to the words, this is all too troublesome to deal with
[]Tell them to eat, and tear some meat off to show them its safe
[] Simply start to live among them, and learn from them
[] Find their leader, and show him you can bring in a steady supply of meat
[] write in?
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>>4511201
>Tell them to eat, and tear some meat off to show them its safe
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>>4511201
>[X]Tell them to eat, and tear some meat off to show them its safe
"Eat. Otherwise they died for nothing."
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I just realized I fucked up the last two updates, while copying them over from wordcounter.
I forgot to replace the [] I use when I write the options there with the > to greentext them, as it makes it easier for me to tell where one choice ends and the other begins while I'm writing and deciding what the choices should actually be.

My bad, thankfully it isn't a huge mistake. Just a cosmetic issue really, but now those two updates will be forever ugly at the end. My shame is eternal.

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>>4511149
Imagine the sheer Dakka a Primarch dreadnought would have, it'd be a walking planet side orbital bombardment
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>>4511227
>using a word processor instead of the /qst/ text box
Magos-tier intellect confirmed. I find google docs works well for me, lots of sites have problems with the > sign.
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>>4511115
Imagine if you would, space marines deflecting bolter shells. They would be fast enough to do it.

>>4511201
[]Tell them to eat, and tear some meat off to show them its safe
[] write in?
Ask if the teeth, bones, and pelts are worth anything to them. They need this so they can purchase more food so they dont die before they're able to plant their next harvest.

I'm getting some mix of Farming/Martial arts master Primarch.
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>>4511241
Do we understand how trading works? I think it might be more characterful to leave them there without any further words.
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>>4511201
>Tell them to eat, and tear some meat off to show them its safe
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>>4511201
>]Tell them to eat, and tear some meat off to show them its safe
If they don t still understand give them a slice of meat to each of them. And start a fire, if there is so much meat some can be cooked.
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>>4511247
We wouldnt be playing a primarch if the knowledge wasnt already hard coded into him.
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Calling it here, so you don't have to wait until morning for the update

Tell them to eat and show its safe: 5
Finding out the trade value of the parts:1

This will be the last update for the night, before I go to sleep, but I'll write it before I do
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It seemed they were frightened of you, despite your generosity to them. or maybe they weren't not aware the flesh of these beasts was safe to consume? Certainly the desperation of hunger would drive them to eat this pound of flesh even if it wasn't, but by then it will have began to decay and fester and merely worsen their condition. And that was a worrying thought, you had spent the days since your birth watching these people, to bring them further ruin by your own hand was a distressing thought. You simply wanted to help.

Outside of the primal communication between beasts, you had never spoken. Before now the only thing that had left your mouth had been growls, roars and hisses, the unspoken tongue of the wild beasts that dwelled within the woods. But standing here now, before a starved mob among ruins and hastily built shanties of mud, straw and wooden planks, such basic communication would not suffice. They needed to eat, yet they were hesitating out of fear and apprehension, their very salvation before their eyes but they were too meek to take it from your hands.

But you had learned their tongue, from listening and from the moments following your fiery birth, you knew the meaning of their words, the metaphor within their sayings. Yet you had never spoken it before. but if you remained silent, would they dare to approach you and the bounty you brought to them? Looking across the crowd, you dug your hand into the fur of the Fog panther, before raising it back into the air and beating its still chest sharply, like a drum.

A loud snap, the sound of strength meeting once living flesh echoed throughout the pitiful village. The Farmers, covered in dirt, grime and sweat, their bones showing beneath their sun dried skin turned to you, stopping their gossip and discussion in a moment.

"Eat" You growled, meaning to speak reassuringly, gently, but so used you had been to speaking as an animal, you briefly sound like one before you find the right noise to speak with.

"Its safe to eat" You say, tightening your fist around one of the panther's limbs and with some wrenching and pulling, tear it from its socket with an audible rip, fur, skin and meat still hanging attached to the bone "See? its safe. Eat"

They just look at you still, eyes wide with surprise that you spoke, that you tore a limb from their feared predator, about everything before their eyes.

Until finally, one of the older members of the crowd approached you, his back weighed down from years of labor and extreme age. What little hair he had was bleached bone white, and his face was ravaged by time and the blazing sun.

"You, hunted these creatures, for us?" He asks slowly as if you won't understand him he conversed at a faster rate "For us to eat"

"That is what I just said, yes" You say with a bow of your head, knowing it to be a sign of respect from you observations and vague memories "You are starving, yes? So eat"
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>>4511318
"Why would you do this for us?" He asks, looking you in the eyes as your expression curdles with confusion. Why would he need to ask such a thing? Your intent seemed rather clear and straight forward. Yet the crowd gathered around you and behind the elderly man seemed to be waiting for you answer, with baited breath. Like there was some hidden cost, some catch, a poison within the kindness and generosity.

"You were starving" You answer simply, kneeling down to look the man in his eyes "That is reason enough"

Standing to your full height, you walk past the crowd as they finally look at the feast in front of them, realizing it is theirs to eat and use as they please. But the old man still followed you, as you searched for suitable tinder and fuel to burn to cook this meat. The tapping of his wooden cane echoed in the silence that had come with your arrival.

"You would preform such kindness, such generosity in such trying times" He asks as he tries to keep up with your long strides "Risk your life in the wilds to bring strangers, men and women you've never met, food in a famine. Your father must've been a most wise and noble scholar, to raise a son as bright and pure hearted as yourself"

You weren't sure you had a father. As far as you could remember, you merely came into existence. One moment you were not aware of anything, the next you were and your mind was filled with alien concepts and knowledge. and Then not long after, you ate cooked flesh and fought off beasts who wished to eat you. That had been your life so far.

"Couldn't watch you starve" Is how you reply, not sure how to answer such praises. The old man watches you pile unused rubble and dried grasses together, forming a fire pit large enough to cook enough of the meat to satisfy the village, the rest could be dried, salted or otherwise preserved before it expired.

"So young, yet so kind and so wise" He says, continuing to compliment you as you merely went about cooking, the crowd realizing what you were doing, and trying to help. though they only got in the way of your work

"I, Wenyan, no all of us here are in your debt, young hunter" He says, leaning on his cane, bobbing his head up and down, desperately trying to show his gratitude by bowing as many times as his weak neck would allow him to. How brittle and fragile he must be.

But instead you smile at him and shake your head.

"No need, I have no need of that" You say, still working out the subtleties in speaking their tongue.

He looks even more surprised by your refusal of a reward than he did during your arrival to their village.

"At least tell me your name, young hunter, at least let me know the name of the youth who saved us in our most dire hour" He says, all but pleading for your name, something you did not have. He got to his hands and knees, his legs shaking as they fell to the ground. He doesn't have an ounce of fat or muscle on his frame.

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>>4511320
The flames roar in front of you, now ready for the flesh you've prepared while the old man has praised you in place of the rest of his village. You set the fur and skin you peel off on the ground, holding the leg in the fire, fat beginning to seep from its meat. It drips down into the growing fire, sizzling as the younger members of the villager surround you like scavengers.

You decide they'll be the first to eat, even if it'd be more efficient to feed the adults first, so they can work the fields as soon as possible.

"Please, tell me your name" Wenyan asks solemnly, still on the ground, sweat beading down his brow "I must know, we must know, the name of our savior"

"Don't have one" You answer, turning the leg around to ensure it was evenly cooked and safe for immediate consumption

He seems confused by your answer, the rest are too occupied by the though of finally have something to eat besides straw and grass to think of anything else, unlike Wenyan, who thought that giving his gratitude to you was more important than his continued survival.

The children gathered around you, it was odd thinking they were older than you, yet so much lesser and smaller. But then again, you were not the same breed as them, or anyone else within this destitute village of workers.

What do you do now, 2nd?
> try to explain your understanding of your birth, in a way that Wenyan will understand
> Say he and the rest of his people may call you whatever they wish, it matters not to you
> Ask why they are living in such terrible conditions. And live among them to try and improve them
> Feed them, tell them you'll be watching, and go back into your woods.
> Write in?
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>>4511323
Could you imagine?
Bob, the mighty primarch of the second legion.

> Ask why they are living in such terrible conditions. And live among them to try and improve them
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>>4511323
> try to explain your understanding of your birth, in a way that Wenyan will understand

>>4511333
>wanting to be lame in 40k
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>>4511323
> try to explain your understanding of your birth, in a way that Wenyan will understand

> Ask why they are living in such terrible conditions. And live among them to try and improve them
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>>4511323
> try to explain your understanding of your birth, in a way that Wenyan will understand
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>>4511323
> Ask why they are living in such terrible conditions. And live among them to try and improve them
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>>4511323
> Ask why they are living in such terrible conditions. And live among them to try and improve them
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>>4511323
>> try to explain your understanding of your birth, in a way that Wenyan will understand
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>>4511333
>Bob, the mighty primarch of the second legion.
Also Bob is the Ultramarine Primarch.
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>>4511323
>>4511323
>> Ask why they are living in such terrible conditions. And live among them to try and improve them

Gonna go the route where their liege lords eradicate them in fear due to us. Revolution
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You puny mortals think so small. We need a name that is not mediocrety, but instead one that will strike fear in all who are feudal.

>Karl. I vote we name our Primarch Karl.
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>>4511424
Better to just tell them we’re from the heavens for that.
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Actually our name should be Tian.
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>>4511424
Joke aside I don't mind us picking a lackluster name, since we can just gain a new name once we start our conquest of the world. Thats why I pick Karl, was so we can become Charlemagne later on.
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>>4511323
Why we don't we call ourselves Dominus for a name? It sounds somewhat roman but contrasts with the local tongue and we can slap a chinese name onto the back end later.
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just name ourselves Wei.
It's the most generic possible chinese name, while also meaning "great".
We'd fit right in with Angron the Angry and Iron Hands of the Iron Hands.
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>>4511448
>>4511438
Just do Tian. It has a lot of significance in Chinese culture (being the word for heaven) and Tiandi literally means god of the heavens or lord of the heavens (god and lord seem to be the same word) as well as lord of everything under the heavens.
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Could be called Tianzi, which is actually the emporers title. Son of Heaven.
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Tian Karl Dominus Max Powers
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>>4511468
Sure.
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The lowly peasants will revere us as the demigod Asura Son of the Skies.
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https://immortalmountain.wordpress.com/glossary/wuxia-xianxia-xuanhuan-terms/
Some useful terminology.
>>4511494
No point in calling ourself Asura beyond the reference. Better to reserve that for a pattern of titans with six arms.
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>>4511455
lol
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>>4511522
I... like that idea a lot. As reference to the Titan/Knight post earlier do we think a Primarch and operate a Titan by himself?
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>>4511596
>Primarch piloted Titan, while being able to perform kung fu with the titan
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>>4511596
>we think a Primarch and operate a Titan by himself?
Wouldn’t be the craziest thing a Primarch has done, but it would require some modification to fit a Primarch. Honestly though, if we are going to play a 40k cultivator Primarch it might be better to just have better power armor and leave the titans to the mortals.
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>>4511602
Oh fuck. Could you imagine? Centurion around used to til the fields? Like replace the big drill things on each arm with farming equipment.
>fucking space marine chapter dedicated to lightning fast planetary cultivation and colonization projects
>battle cry would be some shit like "Reap what you sow!"
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>>4511602
>>4511635

Just going to say, weren't Knights just meant to fight higher forms of fauna and cut lumber?
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>>4511635
I don’t think you understand what I mean by “cultivator”. Cultivator is what chinese martial heroes are called, since they “cultivate” themselves.
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>>4511640
Yeah but this is 40k, and trying to go all mystical is a great way to be sat with magnus in the evil plan crow tower.

Whereas being the primarch of farming is kind of hillarious, especially considering the lemon russ tank is based on a tractor.
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>>4511640
>power hoes
>chainsaws
>power shovels
>macrocannons that fire giant payloads of fertilizer instead of building sized bullets
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>>4511645
>>4511650

We shall be Bob, Bob the Cultivator. The reason we were classified is because we retired upon some dumb agriworld and multiplied its production 100 fold.
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>>4511655
>Official legion head orniment is a gigantic straw hat.
>"It can even be worn with a helmet, so no loss of protection!"
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>>4511666
To build off of this, maybe later on we should not try and rule worlds directly, but instead build stable governments within our wake. Sort of like the fabled Roman Dictator who shall relinquish power to return to his farm.
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>>4511645
>>4511650
I find this line of thinking stupid and lame. I don’t give a fuck about this meme beyond it being annoying.
> trying to go all mystical is a great way to be sat with magnus in the evil plan crow tower
>looks at Lemon Russ and his rune priests
What an argument devoid of substance. Only reason Magnus got fucked was because he believed Tzeentch and Horus being an asshole, beyond that he didn’t do that much wrong.
>Whereas being the primarch of farming is kind of hillarious
And it’s not something you want, or rather I hope you aren’t that stupid to push for it. Our Primarch is not meant to be a farmer and it would be Rian “I subverted your expectation” Johnson kind of stupid to actively push for it.
>>4511650
AND I’M GOING TO CALL IT LAME SINGLE TIME
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>>4511692
And I find your direction stupid and lame. Wuxia is a dime a dozen and usually trash.

>Herp derp how dare you have fun.
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>>4511692
You are the fellow whose pushing the Chinese Angel. Honestly I think its dumb since we are not the Tau. If there is a niche in the Primarchs to be filled its that of a Feudal Pragmatist. Closest to that is Girlyman but he is more Imperial in nature by far.
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>>4511676
Nah we gotta rule it man. All primarchs gotta rule their home planets or domains.

>>4511666
Love it
>666
Trips confirmed

>>4511692
>single time
Glad you stopped bitching about it
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>>4511699
Tbf I like the martial arts angle as well. Fucking swear nothing would be an even bigger flex than space marines deflecting lasers or bullets back at the enemy. That's not to say I dont like the agricultural angles, because i like my farming simulators.

It's not like theres really anything stopping us from doing both.

>>4511323
What happened to the baby capsule? Can it be recovered and used to some capacity?
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>>4511697
>Wuxia is a dime a dozen and usually trash.
Yet the best quest on this board is a Wuxia quest.
> You are the fellow whose pushing the Chinese Angel. Honestly I think its dumb since we are not the Tau.
The more imperialist Japan than anything remotely Chinese. Also Tau can’t into melee. Really the only faction that is like the Chinese is the Eldar.
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>>4511710
Really the best course to chart is a healthy middle. we'll no doubt have some kind of homage to our first village or family, like most primarchs do.

Doing the martial arts will be a unique angle to explore and ide love to see it.

>>4511713
Shush you, im not even reading your posts anymore, I refuse to be dragged down to your level.
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>>4511710
>>4511717
Indeed a middle ground is good. Maybe we should employ the greek art of Pankration to our attack style.
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>>4511720
Could be possible. We don't know the full range of cultures who origonally settled this world, most tend to be a mix of multiple groups. More likely than not to see some indian and greek aspects in city states/countrys that are futher afield on the planet.
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>>4511717
https://youtu.be/nlU3WAWr1Ms
Man I wonder what a space marine legion dedicated to fist fighting would look like. The big ass feet might need to be reduced in size a little bit. Arm our boys with those smaller combat shields and small power fists for max speed and dexterity.
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>>4511702
> Glad you stopped bitching about it
Oh I’ll still bitch about I’m just not that stupidly autistic.
>>4511710
>That's not to say I dont like the agricultural angles, because i like my farming simulators.
Only thing that pisses me about the farming bullshit is the “for the lols” bullshit. It tends to devolve into retarded clusterfuck the revolves entirely around the joke. Only time it actually works is when you aren’t trying to force the story to revolve around the joke and players are willing to move on to new material.
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>>4511323
>> Ask why they are living in such terrible conditions. And live among them to try and improve them
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>>4511729
Leaner meaner fighters, most likely. Though of course we specialize in employing random farming equipment. Imagine a Carbine harvesting Orks.
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>>4511729
Im more interested in the effects of the philosophical angles on them. Starting in a dirt poor village we are likely to encounter martial artists who highly value humility and restraint.

Humble space marines would be weirdly interesting. The chinease culture background would also probably include some good verbal sparring practice. 2nd could end up the Primarch of sick burns.
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>>4511729
> The big ass feet might need to be reduced in size a little bit.
Biggest problem is balance which why a titan would struggle with martial arts. However if we were to discover a special material like that one DAoT humanity made that was light weight yet stronger than adamantium. Though we could a lot with a material like that.
> Arm our boys with those smaller combat shields and small power fists for max speed and dexterity.
Would probably be more like combat gloves.
Also while Kenshiro would be a hell of a Primarch wasn’t the Emperor acting the role of Kenshiro back on Terra now that I think of it?
>>4511728
>More likely than not to see some indian and greek aspects in city states/countrys that are futher afield on the planet.
India has a lot of cool shit and science fiction-like mythology. I’d be surprised if we get nothing related to it.
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>>4511752
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>>4511752
>The chinease culture background would also probably include some good verbal sparring practice.
You mean like the Koans?
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>>4511323
>Ask why they are living in such terrible conditions. And live among them to try and improve them
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>>4511768
Pretty sure theyde use Koans to mess with other SM minds a little.

>>4511763
Hope this world has anti-grav tech hidden away somewhere then, its the main feesable way to make a titan move like a person.

>>4511750
I think the orks would be weirdly excited to fight a martial arts chapter. To them bigger is better but seeing someone that could be half their size flip a mofo like a sack of spuds will blow their little green minds.
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Oh wow, I wasn't expecting to wake up to this much discussion, glad you guys are enjoying the quest enough to talk and argue about it.

Anyways

Asking about and trying to improve their living conditions: 7
Trying to explain your strange "birth": 4

>>4511710
It should still be under the mound of dirt, stone and rubble you crawled out of after it #wrecked the rice fields

And I'll try to answer any specific questions you have when I tally up the votes, if not before
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>>4511830
Can we loot the pod for tech?
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And seeing them, their skin pulled taught over their bones, their cheeks sunken and pale, a single question comes to your mind. Why? Why would they continue to live like this? In such poverty, surrounded by predators and dangerous beasts. Surely there must be more bountiful and fruitful lands else where, better than this fog filled valley. Away from the crevice you crawled from. They did not even have a clean source of water from what you had seen with your own eyes, and survived off the flooded fields they used to grow their grain. It was maddening, none could want to live in conditions so terrible, unless they were forced to.

"Wenyan" You say, finding it easier to speak the sounds that made up their language now, such was your prowess in learning and understanding from merely seeing and listening "Why, why do your people live like this? Starving and without shelter, in fields rent asunder?"
Torn asunder by your birth, as far as you could tell as you had awoken for the first time within the crater that sat in what was once the center of their paddies and fields. The old man remains on the ground, kneeling and laying with his arms outstretched. Slowly, he sits back up, flashes of pain painting his expression as he did so. And silently, the elder looked over the other farmers, his people. Of the children desperately filling their bellies with still scalding meat, grease and blood dripping down their chins, as the adults tore into meat that had barely been touched by the flames, blinded by the hunger in their stomachs. They were like animals in their frenzy, having had nothing of substance to eat for weeks, even before your birth.

"It is our lot in life, young hunter" He says simply, sadly, his eyes filled with the sorrow of a man without hope for the future "Our ancestors worked these lands, for our noble lord Gao, so he may give our work and labor to the wise king of the Yan, for the honor of living in his kingdom and beneath his"

There's a pause, that tells you more about the nature of the relationship between this village and Gao and his Master Yan, then Wenyan's words let on.

"Protection, it is how it has always been. We have never grown fat, but we had enough to live, but this year, we were met by great tragedy, our fields erupted and cracked open, killing many of us, many of our" He says, eyes wetting with tears as his tone begins to lower, cracking as he nearly cries from merely remembering what had happened "Youngsters, our grown sons and daughters, and when we tried to leave for greener pastures to escape the memory and devastation"

The sound of the wood snapping in the fire and teeth scrapping against bone is the only sound besides Wenyan's sobbing, his frail chest heaving and shaking violently as he told you the story of the village's woes.
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>>4511923
They had tried to migrate to a better land, to new villages, but the Lord Gao had become enraged by them fleeing their fields to "escape work" as he saw it, and at spear and sword point, they were led and forced back into what little remained of their village, which had stood for ages, until you had crawled from the ground like a morning worm. The harvest was already poor before most of it had been wiped away and burned, but Lord Gao had demanded heavier tribute as thanks for sparing their lives. They had no way of mending the wound within the earth, which cost them must of the space they could use to cultivate more rice. And they simply did not have enough to give to "Noble" Gao while still being able to feed themselves, they wouldn't have enough even if their fields were still intact.

And now they were slowly crawling towards starvation and a lingering death. Gao would not have their heads for there would have been naught but bones remaining in this small village had you not intervened and fed them, saved them from such a cruel fate.

'there's no method to be able to grow enough grain before the tax collectors come in spring' you think to yourself 'but that does not mean this situation is hopeless, and while my hands may not be able to preform a miracle to flood the very village itself in the bounty of harvest, I can at least improve their conditions and give aid that I feasibly could, put my powerful body to use in ways that would actually produce results. Instead of wasting time and energy toiling to grow the meagerest of rations of rice'

"What a sorrowful tale" You say bowing you head, reaching one of powerful hands to gingerly touch the Elder Wenyan's shoulder, closing your eyes "But it should not be like this, Old Wenyan, and I shall do what I can to better your life, all of your lives"

"But you do not know us" He says, nearly kneeling back and laying on the ground again but you hold him up "Your generosity is endless, young hunter, your heart purer than the clearest well, your kindness as vast as the Vishnu's seas, as wise and generous as...as"

"I will help, that I have not met any of you before this day does not matter in the slightest, without my aid, surely this village will become little more than a fading memory" You say solemnly, the furs you wear dancing in the wind as some of the other workers begin kneeling and prostrating before you, repeating what Wenyan said. Seems without a name they have taken to calling you Young hunter for the moment.

You look over them and cross your arms.

"You should not have to grovel and dig through the dirt to survive!" You say, raising your voice so it would ring throughout the village and maybe the valley itself "Like animals, I shall bring you prosperity, and bring hope to your lives once more, no longer shall you go hungry or fear the coming winter, or present famine! This I swear"
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>>4511924

There's a weak cheer and cry through the bone thin crowd. They barely have the energy to even muster that show of gratitude and joy. You will not let them continue living an existence this low, you cannot allow it any longer.


So 2nd, how will you aid your village?
> Rebuild it, with your own two hands, build it better than it was, safer, protected. A layered wall, irrigation channels, a system to schedule the day more easily
>Hunt the beasts of the woods and fog, so they can no longer prey upon them, and gather their hides to appease Gao's collectors when they come
> Their way of farming is inefficient, if they were to focus on other, hardier crops, they may just be able to create a surplus by time Gao comes
>See if your birthplace holds any more secrets like yourself, that may aid your new family. At the very least you may learn more of yourself
> Write in?
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>>4511927
>Rebuild it, with your own two hands, build it better than it was, safer, protected. A layered wall, irrigation channels, a system to schedule the day more easily
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>>4511927
>Hunt the beasts of the woods and fog, so they can no longer prey upon them, and gather their hides to appease Gao's collectors when they come
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>>4511927
>Hunt the beasts of the woods and fog, so they can no longer prey upon them, and gather their hides to appease Gao's collectors when they come
If Gao's men spit on our offering, we will hunt them.
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>>4511927
>See if your birthplace holds any more secrets like yourself, that may aid your new family. At the very least you may learn more of yourself
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>>4511927
>Hunt the beasts of the woods and fog, so they can no longer prey upon them, and gather their hides to appease Gao's collectors when they come
>See if your birthplace holds any more secrets like yourself, that may aid your new family. At the very least you may learn more of yourself

We should take time to figure out a method for normal humans to hunt the beasts of the forrest. Eventually we may not be here and then all this will have been for nothing.
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>>4511927
Can we do a combination of all three? Hunt a few more animals to supply them for a couple of days, give them our knowledge on how to farm better in addition to selling the furs and bones to buy more tools, and then returning to our pod? We only need to teach a few of the adults, then let them teach everyone else.
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>>4511960
> Shangrala, Classification: Feudal world. This planet is primarily made of vast fields and plains, with mountains and lost technology serving to create a near ever present fog in the lower parts the valleys and hills. It is ruled by warring kingdoms lead by depraved & hedonistic kings given patronage and a divine right to rule by the eight celestial courts.
Autoguns would be the way to go about it. It would be nice to know the most common level of tech in this place. Probably only swords, shields, and muskets.
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>>4511969
Guns require propellent, and you wont get that without chemistry knowledge which is usually what seperates feudal from renaissance.

Best bet we will have is trap making and finding local poisons to use. After that we need to climb the social heirarchy, though we should wait until we are fully grown before that (2 years) and try learn as much about everything we can. Inbuilt knowledge will only carry us so far.
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>>4511927
>Hunt the beasts of the woods and fog, so they can no longer prey upon them, and gather their hides to appease Gao's collectors when they come
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>>4511975
>you wont get that without chemistry knowledge
>coughs in primarch
>hacking on blood in ingrained primarch knowledge
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>>4511977
Yeah yeah, but how do you plan on making it here exactly? Unless you know some bullshit that will let us convert tree nuts into explosives.

Itll be a long term investment to get going, and by that time we will probably be ruling some lands already and able to do it much easier than in a no-named village in the asscrack of no-where.
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>>4511979
Do an internet search and there's a handful of way you can make your own gunpowder. This being 40k it should be relatively easier, what with being a demi-god and all. If gunpowder is too much to ask for then Make mastercraft axes and scythes?
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>>4511979
Simple propellant is black powder which was, fittingly enough, invented in China.

It's 40/40/20 Charcoal, saltpeter, and sulfur. (the exact ratios might be a bit off, but still.)
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>>4511969
>going the tech route
>not the conan route
>not the sorcerer route
>not the god-emperor route
>the tech route
>alongside Perturabo and Ferrus Manus
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>>4511980
>>4511982

Sulphur is your bottleneck here. Classically it seems they needed mines to get the metal ores required which contained sulphur.

Charcoal is easy peasy near any woodland and saltpeter just requires having domesticated animals such as cows to provide adequate amounts of manure.
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>>4511962
It would mean dividing your attention if you did, and this is how you'll help improve their situation before the taxmen cometh.

its up to you if you think the 2nd would find dividing his efforts to be the wisest/ most efficient choice to help

>>4511983
Hey, Ferrus got a head just fine
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>>4511991
He was also underrated as fuck but there's a bad precedent for tech-focused primarchs.
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>>4511983
We are too early on to know what we are most inclined towards. QM may be keeping it a secret till we encounter it.
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>>4511986
I could swear you could get sulphur from piss, but that was probably saltpeter.

Eh, Charcoal and saltpeter will probably still go boom, right...?
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>>4511983
Excuse me, we're going for the "Oda Nobunaga invades the Chinese mainland" route
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>>4511995
You get amonia from piss mate. No one pisses sulphur compounds in any worthwhile amount or theyde be very very dead.
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>>4511982
>>4511983
>>4511986
>we gun powder lads now
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>>4511927
> Rebuild it, with your own two hands, build it better than it was, safer, protected. A layered wall, irrigation channels, a system to schedule the day more easily
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>>4512002
so, are we the chinese renaissance man primarch now?
>kung fu
>rice farming
>gunpowder
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>>4512000
> Noticeable amount

You know what this means, don't you?
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>>4512007
It might not be Chinese exactly, maybe off brand or a different culture entirely. But pretty much yeah the Terran equivalent of china.

>>4512015
I don't. My guess is power pissing out way into getting gunpowder?
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>>4512015
Worthwhile is a different phrase for a good reason.

Industrial scale piss refinement for sulphur is a bad idea. Bad anon. No.

mine your sulphur or cart it down form volcano caulderas like sane people.
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>>4512017
>>4512019
Just kidding, turns out sulphur isn't strictly necessary for blackpowder.

33/67 charcoal/saltpeter

and

22/88 charcoal/saltpeter

were the two good ratios that I found. The first has a faster burn rate(bigger boom) and the second burns hotter.
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>>4511991
Would you ever image that anywhere during your career as a QM, that your players would discuss the application of piss?
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>>4511927
>Rebuild it, with your own two hands, build it better than it was, safer, protected. A layered wall, irrigation channels, a system to schedule the day more easily
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>>4512032
I enjoy the discussion, so it doesn't bother me in the slightest. But I will admit I was not expecting it.
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Honestly how about we do this;

>Focus on hunting, as that will grant immediate food so starvation does not settle.

>Turn to employ the waste products as bio matter to improve the crop.

After all that of course
>When the Cold Winter starts to settle in, focus on renovations of old structures for next year. While normally this cannot be done by humans, we are Primarch!
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>>4512048
I like the waste recycling. That's how the Japanese did it with their agriculture.
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>>4511927
>Hunt the beasts of the woods and fog, so they can no longer prey upon them, and gather their hides to appease Gao's collectors when they come
> Rebuild it, with your own two hands, build it better than it was, safer, protected. A layered wall, irrigation channels, a system to schedule the day more easily
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>>4511991
I'll vote for hunting and rebuilding the village. We can look for the tech that makes this fog once the village is taken care of.
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>>4512082
I personally want to go adventuring in general.
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>>4512048
i concur with this option, it seems to me the most well planned
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QM what is our 'Age' right now anyways? I know Primarch grow much faster but we are still the size of a teen right?
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>>4512097
Around that size I'd say, but you'll be growing rapidly (And have been since your landing), cause you know, fuck mothering primarch.
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>>4511927
> Rebuild it, with your own two hands, build it better than it was, safer, protected. A layered wall, irrigation channels, a system to schedule the day more easily
> Their way of farming is inefficient, if they were to focus on other, hardier crops, they may just be able to create a surplus by time Gao comes
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Calling it now.
Was a bit of a paint to find the correct numbers here.

Rebuild:8
Hunt:8
Farm:3
Gestation Capsule investigation:2

And since their are four votes asking for splitting your efforts between hunting and rebuilding (And two including improving farming with waste products), I'll combine the two.
As being a primarch, multitasking between killing shit and building up a small village would be child's play for you, and will mean I don't have to tiebreak


So I'll write the update now
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>>4512238
Naming ourself Tian when? Also now that I think of it Tianxia could be that name of our legion.
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And to raise this village from the gutter you had found it in, you need a proper plan of action of how exactly you will manage it. Promoting the growth of what grain they have, and growing hardier crops could be one avenue of accomplishing your ambitions to save this nameless village and its people. But even if you were to fertilize the soil, the winter's cold grasp would make that path inefficient and foolish, for if the cold comes as suddenly as you suspect it will, even the hardiest of crops will not be able to survive the season, let alone grow through it.

And there's the problems of the predators of the ever present fog and within the woods, they'll grow more desperate and hungry as the weather cools and will present a danger to the farmers in the paddies and fields. However you can easily deal with the threat they present, but even with all your might and power you can only be in one place at once, and it is possible a hungry Fog Panther or pack of Mist Jackals might slip past your senses to feast upon your weaker fellows. Once some of the men of the village regain their strength, you'll show them techniques to defend themselves and hunt by your side, maybe do the same for the grown women as well, to ensure the safety of the children while you're gone.

That would also potentially save them from Lord Gao's wrath, the value of a few bushels of rice and stacks of cabbage and radishes, would pale in the worth of pelts and fangs of the panthers, the swine and Jackals while of lesser value would still increase its worth in trade. Surely a noble's tax collectors would see that as well. So that is simply another benefit of hunting the creatures that stalk the fog and trees, outside of meat and safety.

But, then you realize what use is safety if the people will still die of cold and sickness from insufficient protection for the elements? They live in dirt hovels, leaning shacks of stacked wood and straw, and the few ruins of proper shelter that can still be inhabited safely. And there's no actual defense to the village, not a single wall, yet alone the two or three that would be what you yourself would consider to fulfill the basic needs of their protection.

That is taking into account the dangers presented to the rest of the villagers, from both wild beasts and desperate men through the harsh winter months. You smile, realizing subconsciously you consider yourself part of their whole now, how strange. But while the threat posed to you by starving beast and man is miniscule, it is much more dangerous to the normal men and women of the village.

Disease of course would threaten their safety and prosperity as well, a easily accessed source of clean water that has not been tainted and dirty would also need to be introduced. And if you'd accomplish all that before spring comes, you'll be satisfied and have vastly improved the living conditions of your fellows. But then, when spring arrives?
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>>4512324
When spring comes, you'll be able to raise them higher than any of them would ever dream they would soar.
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The young primarch set in motion his plan immediately, and soon it was an every day occurrence within the village to see the boy with golden eyes and Iron hair returning from a hunt deep within the woods and beneath the shroud of the fog. Returning with a bounty of meat and fur. He also began to dress more like men did, turning the pelt he covered himself with into a vest of white, silvery fur, while he took to wearing a pair of pants stitched from dried, hardy leather. Besides that he worse nothing, as he had no need to wear anything else.

The Villagers grew used to his presence, but not to his unusual growth and strength. Some began to whisper he was a spirit of the forests or a member of the celestial courts incarnated to the mortal realm, who had seen their plight and come to save them from further suffering. But most came to except him as merely an extraordinary young man, with a kind heart and soul.

But he did not hunt alone, when the village was fed, their bellies happy and their minds sharp once more, he began to take aside the fittest and brawniest among them, teaching them tricks he had learned from experience. How to hunt Fog Panthers safely, how to to gather the venom from Mist Jackals without poisoning yourself, how to lure and trap the wild swine, and more lessons from the beasts he hunted.

With crude spears fashioned from old rakes and shovels, he trained them to fight with spears, to hunt and defend themselves with, and took aside the few able women in the village and showed them the basics as well, so they might defend themselves and their children.

Soon, hunting parties would leave alongside the young hunter, as they had taken to calling him, and sometimes without his protection so bold they had become under his guidance. The elders of the village and the youths themselves had began to call themselves Young Panthers, at first in jest at the ridiculousness of what they intended to slay, and then seriously when they began to return with their namesakes. Wounds were rare, and casualties became rarer, and none were suffered when the Young hunter was by their side. It became the name of their brotherhood of hunters, the Brothers of Panthers.

And the Young hunter, they began to simply call The Hunter, as with his rapid growth and imposing height and size, it became hard to call him young, as time passed. Though the villagers did not name him, for they did not see themselves as worthy to have such an honor.

The village no longer starved, and most went to bed with full stomachs, as surplus of game was stored away, along with the preserved furs and hides from every hunt, given to The Hunter, as per his request. And with the first part of his plan's success, the Hunter left those he had taught and trained to maintain the village's safety and food supply.
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>>4512325
Instead he turned his eyes and efforts to another issue, that of the state of the village itself. As winter fell, he spent these harsh months working to rebuild and renovate the buildings that could be salvaged from the ruins, as well as building new structures wholesale, himself.

Wise Wenyan helped and counseled him on this task, having been alive long enough to know a bit of everything, though the young primarch didn't require his assistance, he grew fond of the elderly man, who he had come to view as something akin to a father, and Wenyan had began to see him as another son, in place of the one he had lost in the great tragedy.

Their relationship only grew closer, as the Hunter spent more time building and repairing the damages in the village. He started with the layered walls, building the first around what was considered the edge of the village, building gates alone the main path used to leave and enter the woods to reach the kingdoms own maintained road. The second he built two hundred meters from the first, establishing a safe zone to farm and keep the beasts of burden and some captured swine, away from the villager's homes.

The fowl remained within the confines of the village. A third wall he then placed another three hundred meters from the second, a full li or mile from the first and village proper. With this he was satisficed with the safety of his people, and turned to constructing new residences and storage buildings for them.

Now the villages felt safe, and even in the dead of winter the town was alive with activity, as they dressed in warm furs and lit fires that lasted most of the day with a fraction of the lumber they previously used, as they began to coat them in sap and resin from the nearby trees, and dried it upon the wood itself, allowing for a longer, more standard burn time.
and with this adoption of this new fuel, the nameless hunter came upon an idea, to record and time the passing of the day by the time it took for one of these resin covered branches to burn, and began to set a schedule with which the hunters and farmers could more effectively work through the day.

Half way through winter, he had become considered as the head of the village, taking the position from Wenyan, his adoptive father in all but name. He would hear the troubles of that plagued the villagers and seek to deal with them in the most cost effective and efficient manner.

Even in the heart of a famine and dead of winter, under his golden eyes, greater prosperity came to the nameless village than it had ever experienced even in times of plenty and comfort. The farmers began to respect the Primarch not only for his strength and kind generosity, but also for his seemingly bottomless well of wisdom.

They began to say he could make jade from manure, thus was his skill in making plenty from nothing.

But that was not the extent of his ambitions for their lives.
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>>4512279
>Tian
So our goal after we take this name should be to become emperor of this world so we can be called Emperor Heaven, effectively close to God Emperor, just for the sake of giving our father a 'what the fuck?' moment? 'Cuz I approve if so.
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>>4512326

As spring fast approached and he grew in both size and mass, the young primarch continued to work for the betterment of his adopted community, which had come to idolize him in his short time among them. His unnatural growth and knowledge cementing the idea he must've been a gift from the Divine..

Within the house he shared with Wenyan, built in the center of the village, twice the height of the other houses and near three times the width, he spent tireless nights, drawing plans for forges, sketching out the lands within and outside the village, planning on building and expanding it in the coming months and years. The progress he made would've been impossible without his superhuman body and intellect, he had accomplished so much that it would go on to be recorded in the myths and legends of Shangrala as one of his miracles.

But to him it was child's play. And as the ice and frost melted beneath a brighter sun, he diverted the clear running streams from the hills, mountains and woods to move through the village, providing an easily accessible source of water, that was pure and clean. And, saved a village that under any other leadership, would've perished months before.
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You sit in the house of your father, a pot boiling in front of you, your hunting spear twice the length and size of the others laying by your side, as you wait for the broth to finish heating so you may share it with your father. One of your companions, a young man named Feng, is approaching. The sound of his limping sprint, a wound gained from his disaster of a first solo hunt, alerting you long before he arrived at your home.

"Hunter" He called, as you closed your eyes and sighed, you needed a proper name one of these days, hunter, while an apt title, was somewhat demeaning now "Gao's men have been sighted, along the cliff of calamity"

The place of your birth, that is what they had come to call it. Also an Apt title.

"So they have finally come to collect after leaving us to suffer through these harsh months alone" You say with a nod of your head, rubbing your chin in thought "I had thought they may pass us by, assuming us all dead in our homes"

"Gao will never pass up a chance to gain wealth" Feng says venomously, spitting his contempt to the straw floor "And we have not suffered beneath you benevolent rule, my dear friend, but he would have left us to die"

You nod, but say nothing in response.

Well 2nd? how will you respond?
> Tell him to open the gates, and tour them through your works with an escort of some of the Brothers of Panthers
> Go meet them yourself, and gather your tribute to gao to bring with you
> Seek your father's advise on the matter, he has dealt with the Gao family his whole life
> "I will deal with that matter, after I have finished my latest work's foundation, tell them to wait"
> write in?

>>4512327
>Son, are you playing at being a god
>Oh, its just a name honored father
>Press x to doubt
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Sorry for the Titanic update, got a bit carried away
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>>4512332
>Go meet them yourself, and gather your tribute to gao to bring with you
They have no right to look on our father after what they've done.
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>>4512333
>trips = checked
It's worth the wait
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> Seek your father's advise on the matter, he has dealt with the Gao family his whole life

Trust the old man.

>>4512332
>Son, are you playing at being a god
>Oh, its just a name honored father
>Press x to doubt

Alternatively and even funnier:
>Son, are you playing at being a god
>They keep insisting I am despite me telling them I am not.
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>>4512327
Funny thing is the actual God-Emperor would be probably called Haungdi which means Yellow Emperor which is interesting because Yellow is the color for humanity.
>>4512332
The word for god and ruler are basically the same in China. Emps would have a field day with unfucking that mess.
> Tell him to open the gates, and tour them through your works with an escort of some of the Brothers of Panthers
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>>4512327
Did we really take that name? I'd like to return to our capsule and see if the Emperor recorded our name in there.

>>4512332
> Seek your father's advise on the matter, he has dealt with the Gao family his whole life

>>4512335
>>4512340
Yeah. If anything we can see what the adoptive dad has to say, then figure out what to do after that.
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>>4512340
+1
>>4512327
I like that, i'd support Tian
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>>4512332
I'll vote in favor of
>Seek your father's advise
But we should probably open the gates and play along until we have a force capable of defending our little fief.
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>>4512342
>The word for god and ruler are basically the same in China. Emps would have a field day with unfucking that mess

Well, the Old Man mentioned Vishnu so we are playing in a general Asiatic rather than just China, but still, alt three:

>Son, are you playing at being a god
>I am not playing at being a ruler, honored father
>There is a difference between being a god and a ruler
>What on Shangrala do you mean
>Press X for asprin
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>>4512340
+1
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>>4512332
>Go meet them yourself, and gather your tribute to gao to bring with you
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>>4512349
>Well my others sons can't be this bad
>Shadows of Angron, Perturabo, Curze, Logar, and Mortarion
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>>4512332
> Seek your father's advise on the matter, he has dealt with the Gao family his whole life
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>>4512358
Hmm...you're right...

Well, this is feudal asia...should we become a Buddhist Primarch?
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>>4512361
I assumed less Buddhist and more half-confucian/half-roman stoic but as long as we can confuse and annoy the other primarchs I'm in.
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> Seek your father's advise on the matter, he has dealt with the Gao family his whole life
seems wise, old man likely knows more about this lord than we do, he might give us some good advice
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Calling the vote

Go meet Gao's men:1
Seek your father's council:8
Open the gates and give them a tour: 1

So you shall seek your adoptive father's advice in the matter
writing the update
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>>4512349
Can’t wait to find the magi-tech spaceship and stash of magic nukes. (Yes those are things in Hindu mythology)
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>>4512384
Buddhism is based around four truths and the eightfold path. Sounds like chaos until you realize everything about it is pointed in the exact opposite direction due to peaceful aims (fuck off Khorne), rejection of indulgence (fuck off Slaanesh) because clinging to change is a bad thing (fuck off Tzeentch), and wanting to break free of an endless cycle of life and death (fuck off Nurgle).

Use their shit to build a movement to work against them. Very much in line with the one who redirected our pod.
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>>4512384
I think we should be Jaghatai, if he were a feudal conqueror with Vulkanesque devotion to the common man that compensates for his lack of Gulliman-tier administrations through a brutality almost approaching Kurze.

>>4512424
That would be kino, I do admit.
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>>4512332
What we need is to find a force of ablebody men to fight the fucker off. We are to userp her title for our own, as proof we are more able than him.

On the other hand, cutting the head off the snake early is a good way to win status.

>Assassinate the fellow, as he cannot claim tribute if he never lives to ask for it.
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>>4512424
Well martial arts are as much about philosophy as they are about fighting technique.
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>>4512435
I'm afraid we will be stuck in a feudal war though, in my honest opinion. We cannot stay if we really want to learn some form of martial art or gain a Knight.

I just hope we don't have the trope of a stupid ruler who breaks shit just because he can.
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>>4512435
At first we should strive to be reasonable. Once he betrays our trust or tries to take advantage of our home, he'll suffer the consequences.

>>4512436
It's all coming together now. You guys know how Vulkan was an absolute beast of a primarch under the skin that consciously tried to be righteous? I think we're almost animalistic, but force our instincts away from the hypercombatant savagery Emps intended us for into the study of martial arts and creation of an anti-chaos philosophy in somewhat the same manner.
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>>4512435
I like this suggestions.
The nobility are fat and corrupt. We must kill them!
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>>4512332
> Seek your father's advise on the matter, he has dealt with the Gao family his whole life
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>>4512332
>Seek your father's advise on the matter, he has dealt with the Gao family his whole life
This primarch is very much chinese mythy. The whole coming from a pod thing is reminiscent of the stone monkey. Wonder which of our brothers will like us, seeing as emps would certainly love us if we adopt taoists stances on family
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You guys do realize the vote was over hours ago right?
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"I shall seek my father's council, Wise Wenyan has never steered me wrong before" You say after a moment of thought, using your oversized spear as leverage to pull yourself up from your seat in front of the cooking fire. Feng nods, his coal black hair and scarred face cast in shadows. He remained where he knelt, waiting no doubt to escort you to Gao's men when you've come to a decision on how to welcome them.

They had forgotten your people and forced them to survive like field rats, and no doubt were expecting to pick through their bones for anything of value, rather than finding a flourishing piece of heaven with the Yan Kingdom. How they'd react? You did not know, and that made these men dangerous. You did not know their disposition or the temperament of their master outside of his cruel treatment to this nameless village prior to this year's winter. And that made them more of a potential threat than even the most battle scarred and experienced Fog Panther. Without knowing how well armed they were or their likely actions, it'd be a fools gambit to meet them, even with open arms and bearing gifts. They may take your improvement of the village as a threat, or a sign of rebellious intent.

To make matters worse, you had no idea how many men had come to escort the tax collector in his duties. Feng hadn't been clear, and without even knowing that you could not meet them. You knew nothing of their tactics, their temperament, the arms they carried, or even their number. And while they had merely come to collect Lord Gao's tithe, that could easily turn into a festival of blood and death should you not properly approach them. To do that, you needed to know more about them. You had lived among the beasts and peasantry, and had never met those under the employ of nobility, soldiers.

You must prepare. You ran the worst case scenario through your mind, like reading through a scroll, testing various responses in your psyche as you marched to your honored father's room, where he was no doubt resting for the day, considering his age. The pelts of your conquests and your student's line the walls of your shared home for that reason, as they did the homes of the elderly or young. to further insulate Wenyan and the other elders and children from the cold

"Is the bone broth done, my son?" He asks as you part the reed mat you've used in place of a door, to allow for more ventilation "I've found my appetite this morning, and might take some early spring fowl with it, if there is enough to spare"

You kneel down, placing your two hands together in a clasped greeting to your adoptive father, as he sits by the personal fire in his chambers, wrapped in furs whiter than his own hair.

"Honored father, I have come to seek your council once more" You say humbly, looking up to him as he stands with his new cane, a warm and fatherly smile across his face "Gao's men have arrived, seeking their tribute for last year, how should I proceed?"
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>>4512495
"Such a dutiful son, despite far outstripping his father, he still heeds his voice" He laughs before frowning, gripping the end of his walking cane tightly, his knuckles turning snow white from his tightening grip "But, I would advise caution, despite your great power, my son"

You say nothing, listening closely and picking apart his words to find the path you would take forward.

"The Name Gao has ruled over this valley and its surroundings for centuries, they are one of the royal family of Yan's favored servants" He says, running a hand through his beard, brushing it as he spoke "And that is because they bring them heavy taxes and loyal citizenry. At the merest threat to his authority, the current lord Gao reacts with fire and fury, and cruelty most terrible"

You nod

"He even sees a slight against himself in his subjects seeking a better life" You say raising your head, keeping you hands clasped together "But we have gathered more tribute than he asked, I've read his decree, the amount of pelts and furs we've gathered far outstrip the cost of the price her laid"

"He is also a greedy man, indulgent, no doubt he means to take more than he commanded us to give before the long winter" Your father says sadly "And the servant he sent will no doubt take his own share, as will the soldiers who guarded him from the worst inhabitants of the fog"

Flashes of imagination ran through your mind, a dark fantasy of faceless soldiers forcefully taking the few comforts you've given to your people away, swords in hand. Smoke and fire billowing from your home like it had become one of the time keeping fires. and the image of yourself and trusted students, cutting down these greedy dogs on the spring field, hidden in the fog like the beasts you hunt. What will happen if they are insulted and are of a superior force than you and the hunting men, and what will happen if they are not, and still try to suppress the village.

"But, we must bow our heads, we are, despite your efforts and tutelage, just a simple village, and we are recovering from a great calamity" He says as you close your eyes, banishing the thoughts of simply dealing with them the same way as the creatures of the forests and fog "And if the pride of these men is wounded, they will tell Gao we mean to revolt, and he shall bring the full force of his armies upon us"

Subconsciously, you barred your teeth and tightened your hands, digging your nails into the base of your knuckles.

"So, I shall approach them as humbly as I can, polite and mannered and give them what they've came for" You say, steering your thoughts away from finding a method to face a trained army with with only the lives within your village "Careful not to provoke their ire or wrath"
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>>4512496
"If you are able, the line of Gao are not known for being kind and forgiving, already we have earned Gao's wrath, they will look for any excuse they can find" Father says putting a hand upon your broad shoulder, looking into your golden eyes with his clay brown eyes "But, I believe you can handle it, my son, you are more wise than you are mighty"

You nod, and stand back to your full height, bowing to Wenyan

"I thank you, wise father, for your advice, I shall go to greet the men of Gao, before they become impaitent" You say, turning to leave your father "the broth should be done by now, I'll fetch a fowl to add to it after I return"

"Stay safe, my child" Wenyan says as you leave him "We will not be able to continue without you"

Feng is where you left him, still kneeling, eyes hard, a worried look to his face and posture. His mannerisms tell you how afraid he is of meeting these servants of Lord Gao.

"Hunter, what wisdom has your father given to you?" He asks stoically, his scars deepening from the shadows cast over his face
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"How much longer will these dogs keep us waiting" Ling, a small man dressed in bright maroon and pink silk robes asked, yawning as he sat upon the back of the finest steed his paycheck would allow him to keep, a beautiful horse of white fur and bountiful stamina "Have we not given them long enough to gather their tithe?"

The soldiers with him, dressed in deeper shades of the same color said nothing, merely standing encircled around him and his steed, to guard him against any foolish attempts upon his life. He huffed, twirling the tip of his beard around his finger, the headwear of his office's wide brim keeping the sun out of his eyes as he attempted to peer over the wall and gate in front of him.

"And this wall, surely it must've cut into the labor they were ordered to preform...I will have to inform lord Gao of this lax in obedience" He said spitefully, spitting on the ground "Unless they have some how under the eight court's grace, managed to find the time in a famine, to turn away from their paddies and build this..."

He swallowed hard, this wall was greater than the one around his own estates, it was made of the trunks of trees, old and mighty, that would take ten men in their prime to carry at least. And how tightly they were packed together, with clay and stone as mortar. Ling knew if he tried to breach the wall, he would be courting death. How could a starving village, smaller than his own staff of servants, manage such a marvel of architecture? It would have starved them to build this, yet here it was. It was impossible. And that man who told them to wait, impudent and young.

He was dressed in the fur of the man eating fog panther with a horrid three lined scar across his face. And had been armed with a spear.
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>>4512498

It was unthinkable, but had those starving, broken men he had seen when they tried to flee from their duties, turned to banditry and barbarism to survive? Gao would certainly honor him for bringing the heads of such men to his court. and even if they weren't and merely turned savage means to survive, well, the truth was what he would tell his lord.


Dreams of gold, honors and other riches filled the small man's greedy mind. Until he was torn to reality as cruelty as a flower plucked from a field.


"OPEN THE GATE!" A voice like a dragon's roared, at once brutish and refined, wise and wild in equal parts, it was unlike anything he or the men escorting him had ever heard. It seemed to shake the very earth beneath his feet.

"On guard, on guard, on guard" He muttered, chanting it like a monk's hymns to the gods "be ready for anything men"

The wooden gate swung open as Ling tried to keep his head high, but what he saw, turned his blood to ice.

Standing in front of him, was...a giant? No it was a young man, his face was youthful, free of impurities and age, the very image of jade like elegance. He had a presence only those of noble...no, those of the great Yan should have. Ling expected starved peasants or mad barbarians, or foolish would be rebels to die, not a man who seemed to walk from the artworks of the old kingdom, such was his grandeur.

But he was brutish, dressed in only a coat of fur, and pants made of hardened leather, his chest bare to the world. And his hair, it was long, uncut or styled, the same dull grey color of iron. An ogre in the flesh, but beyond mortal. He was above man, not beneath them despite his rugged dressed and looks, and..by all eight courts, his eyes. His eyes!

They were golden!.

Words Failed Ling, and his escorts faltered before the creature before them, muscle bound and wearing the fur of a beast that took two of their number on their journey to this forgettable stain on lord Gao's lands. Ling, despite being accompanied by an escort of twenty men, suddenly felt as if his own, very valuable life was in danger. He would not have felt safe with a hundred or more men at his command.

But the golden eyed Giant....

Well what did you do, 2nd?
> Kneel down and offer apologizes for your lateness, but you needed to be sure you had the correct tally of goods
> Stare down these soldiers and laugh at yourself for fearing them, by your judgement and calculations, you alone could deal with this band
>"Ah, you must be Lord Gao's man, that has been sent to our humble village to collect his tribute, come, come, I have much to show you, I was merely tending to my father"
> Glare at the soldiers and bark at them to drop their weapons or die, there shall be no arms of war within your village
> write in ?
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>>4512500
>> Kneel down and offer apologizes for your lateness, but you needed to be sure you had the correct tally of goods
>"Ah, you must be Lord Gao's man, that has been sent to our humble village to collect his tribute, come, come, I have much to show you, I was merely tending to my father"
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>>4512500
>"Ah, you must be Lord Gao's man, that has been sent to our humble village to collect his tribute, come, come, I have much to show you, I was merely tending to my father"
> write in ?
Shoot the shit and rub shoulders with him. All primarchs to some degree are charismatic. Weather they be of the social or intimidating variety. Better to be his friend than an enemy, at least this way it would open the door for us to some social circles and gain us and by extension the village an ally.
Also comment on his horse. His horse is a very nice horse. That could be an ice breaker.
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>>4512500
>>"Ah, you must be Lord Gao's man, that has been sent to our humble village to collect his tribute, come, come, I have much to show you, I was merely tending to my father"
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Should we really be kneeling? I don't know what makes up the ego of this Ling fellow, but he and everyone knows that our boy is a cut above everyone else, and shouldn't have to act like some peasant. I mean he technically is but he doesn't need to grovel on his knees. being cordial should be enough.
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>>4512506
i concur with this choice, dont have to grovel like a worm at his feet but remain respectful and try to gain some amicability from the collector
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>>4512507
+1
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>>4512500
>"Ah, you must be Lord Gao's man, that has been sent to our humble village to collect his tribute, come, come, I have much to show you, I was merely tending to my father"
Be sure to compliment his horse and the discipline of his men and the craftsmanship of their weapons.
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>>4512500
>Make the man feel as if he is right at home, then test him for any faults. The Gao might seem invincible and untouchable to mortal men, but we are no meer mortal.
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>>4512521
Just to make sure everyone understands this, we are gonna cause a peasant revolt. However we must be skillful about it, finding allies among the tax collectors and soldiers.
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>>4512500
>"Ah, you must be Lord Gao's man, that has been sent to our humble village to collect his tribute, come, come, I have much to show you, I was merely tending to my father"
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>>4512500
>>"Ah, you must be Lord Gao's man, that has been sent to our humble village to collect his tribute, come, come, I have much to show you, I was merely tending to my father"
A son of the Emperor does not bow to a tax collector
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>>4512500
>"Ah, you must be Lord Gao's man, that has been sent to our humble village to collect his tribute, come, come, I have much to show you, I was merely tending to my father"
>Write in
As the other anon put it, shoot the shit with him. There's no point in antagonizing him, he's a servant, not gao, and we need connections if we really want to take over. And it's always good to be friends with the tax man
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>>4512500
>"Ah, you must be Lord Gao's man, that has been sent to our humble village to collect his tribute, come, come, I have much to show you, I was merely tending to my father"

Take the diplomatic route for now. I feel we should be a mix of The Lion and maybe Robot and Sanguinius when dealing with people, diplomatic when we can but taking absolutely no disrespect.
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Calling the vote now
Kneel: 1
"Ah you must be..": 10
Compliment his horse: 3
Shoot that shit/ rub shoulders with ling: 3
Make him comfortable and test for weakness:1

clear winner here. writing the update
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>>4512502
Kneeling and offering apologies when we are an infant primarch and they're a tax collector may seemed cucked but in some asian cultures it's actually a fairly significant flex to offer subservience to one you're clearly superior to. Not saying I agree with the option or that it's anything we should consider, but we aren't in Ultramar or Olympia anons.
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>>4512563
I don't think that it's come up yet, but i'm not opposed to taking 'Hunter' as a first name. We can workshop a surname as well but as far as first names go you could do worse than Hunter.

Or, maybe the Chinese translation, Lièrén. But if we're going to go with that we could probably drop the accents or something.

Maybe Leiren, or something like that. It's a little off the word but I prefer the spelling of that to Lieren. The former gives it a long 'E' sound which just sounds better to me than the long 'I' sound of the latter.

just a thought
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Merely clasped his hands together, grinning ear to ear like the common depictions of a fat, but wise man whose name had been lost to the ravages of time and the long night. The golden giant bowed as Ling covered his face with a fan, hoping to hide his obvious terror from merely being in the presence of this man, so clearly above and beyond the normal stock of Yan, or any people of Shangrala. His men remained frozen, even behind the snarling, fanged masks that hid their face, their dread was apparent in their eyes, as wide as the full moon. The spears almost fell from the hands as the giant of a man bowed his head slightly, completing the traditional greeting of their people, and then he spoke, the animalistic quality of his voice lessening until it was a sweet and gentle as a summer rain.
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"Ah you must be Lord Gao's man" You say, greeting the fellow upon the resplendent steed, in the finest clothing you had ever seen "that has been sent to our humble village, to collect his tribute"

Looking at them as you stood proud and tall again, at a glance you studied the threat they could pose to you. They were armored with plates layered over each other and connected by rings, and armed with long blade spears with poles of lacquered metal, the blades twisted and wavering. More dangerous weapons than anything the local beasts wielded, and they numbered twenty exactly.

But like the small man upon his horse, they were very clearly terrified of you, which would lessen their combat effectiveness, along with the fact that they were beneath you on an incline, giving you an even greater advantage should they attack. If it came to it, to best them in combat, and completely and other crush them, you'd need all of your hunting companions and they would no doubt take losses. Alone, unless you suppressed them quickly, you may sustain injuries yourself.

But as it stood they posed no threat to you or the village, such was their terror after merely seeing you. So you stopped considering the various factors that could affect a theoretical battle if it were to break out, as there was no chance it would. Unless they were truly foolish men.

"Come, come" You say warmly, opening your arms and bearing your chest in an effort to show you were not something so frightening they needed to play dead in front of you "I have much to show you, I was merely tending to my father"

They remain silent, the short man on his horse hiding his face except his eyes with a fan. It depicted a scene of a hunt, men on horse back chasing down Cliffjumpers, a breed of fowl grown to the size of a man that inhabited the mountains of these lands.

"Are, you the leader of these villagers?" he asked warily, his eyes narrowing as he studied you as you had studied him in his men, though his analyses took much longer than yours did "And yes, you are correct, I am the tax collector, Ling, and we have been waiting to collect the tithe you owe mighty lord Gao"
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>>4512631

You nod, folding you arms, moving your elbows back as you clasped you hands together

"I have explained my lateness, have I not?" You say kindly, still smiling as the man fans himself "I'll be happy to deliver to you, the tribute we owe Lord Gao"

"Yes, yes you have" The man says trying to sound unafraid and unconcerned "I will excuse this, as one's duties to their parents are tantamount to their loyalty to their rightful masters"

"Ah, I thank you for your understanding, but do please follow this humble hunter to his village, it is still a short distance from here still" You say, turning your back to them. There's no reason not to, none of them have the bravery to dare strike you from behind, and if they did they'd simply be courting death

The soldiers move first, the tax collector keeping his distance and using his men as living barrier between himself and you.

"Though I must admit my, suspicions that you have produced an acceptable tribute of grain for Gao" He says soon after you begin the short walk to the village proper "as the people here have clearly spent more time building than farming as is your duty"

"Oh, no the people here have worked very hard, and I built these walls when we had already acquired a fitting tribute, for Lord Gao" You say still smiling, Having chosen your words carefully to shock this Ling fellow from your "Impossible feat" of building these mighty walls on your own and in such a short time.

"Then I expect this village's tribute to be most generous if the people here found the time to build pointless walls instead of working" Ling says, trying to keep up the appearance of distant, uncaring bureaucrat.

"OH they have been working very hard, I meant that I built them myself" You say politely, humble and with a gentle voice as you Ling's eyes widened "that is, after all, what I told you, Tax collector Ling"

"In the winter" He says, the awed tone of his voice telling you he didn't think you were lying or exaggerating "And...and

He unfurls his fan again, hiding his expression from you and closing his eyes.

"Without explicit permission from the lord of these lands" He says as you reach the second gate.

"We were troubled by an onslaught of beasts, surely a wise man like Lord Gao will understand, there was nothing else we could do" You say, turning from ling to the wooden gate, Feng slamming the butt of his spear against it, signaling the men you had stationed behind it all was safe and they could stand down "We had to act on our own, or we would have been devoured"

Ling remained silent, his guards grouping closer together as they saw some of the other brothers of the panthers behind the gates. You raised a hand, slowly lowering it, a sign you had taught them while hunting alongside them. And as commanded, they obeyed, standing to the side and lowering their spears as they knelt.
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>>4512632
Two of them, Liang and Jiang, brothers with long hair glanced up as you walked by, to see if you gave the follow up signal to strike. Ling gripped the reigns of his mount tightly.


"There's nothing for you to fear here my lord, we are but humble servants" You say, turning your back to your companions and friends.
The air tenses as they size up the soldiers standing in front of them, and the soldiers do the same, though with less confidence in their posture considering you yourself as standing opposite of them. With a wave of your arm, you motioned to the men behind you, smiling still.

"We merely had to arm ourselves, to protect our livestock and families from the dreadful beasts of the fog" You say, giving the signal that a surprise attack would not be necessary, with the motion you had come up with to call of a hunt before it started "Surely Lord Gao will understand, we could not sit by while we were preyed upon"

"Yes...yes" Ling says, his adam's apple bobbing in his throat as he swallowed nervously, trying to maintain the unconcerned image he was trying to present to you "In the choice between death and blind obedience, it is better to take the path that will allow you to continue your service, though Lord Gao may wish to take such trained men into his army"

"We would be honored, but we merely did what was necessary, I am glad to meet a man as understanding as yourself, Tax collector Ling" You say turning your back to Ling and his men as you walked past your own. They dispersed, heading back to the pens that held what livestock your village had.

"I was told this village was a ruin when I was given the order to fetch the taxes owed" Ling says, as you walk past the small pastures and collections of pens you built to house the beasts of burden of your people, keeping them closer to the fields and paddies than the village themselves "Did you truly find time to rebuild so quickly during a famine"

"Oh yes, we had what we were asked to give well before the end of winter, it left me plenty of time to rebuild and improve what was left, as you can see" You say, waving your arm across the work you've accomplished, and the village itself as you quickly approached the final gate. You sigh and hang your head.

"I just wish I had the power to return the dead to life, then I could truly say I have bettered this humble village" You say sadly, as the gate swings open, pulled by men on the other side, who having not heard your shouting know there's no danger presented by the twenty one men following you.

"I see no sign of ruin" Ling says, his eyes widening as he sees the bustling life of the center of the village, fires burning in stone pits, children playing and women going about their chores as you slowly walk forward "All of the people I have seen look well fed, are you sure you left enough grain to give as tribute?"
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>>4512635

"Grain?" You ask, laughing as you glance over your shoulder at the man draped in brightly dyed silks, with a flat topped wide brimmed hat of the same pointlessly garish colors "Oh no, we could not grow grain in the dead of winter, so...I hope lord Gao, in his endless wisdom is understanding that we had to find an alternative form of tribute"


Ling smiles from behind his fan, no doubt thinking he's caught you with your leg in a snare, and could not pounce and squeeze you and the rest of the village of what little you owned or perhaps, do something even more wicked. But he did not realize, that it was himself who had fallen into the Panther's den.

With a sharp whistle and clap of your hands, Feng steps behind you, letting out a yell. The soldiers form a wall again together, until they see the women of the village, the ones were the fairest and plumpest, come out from their homes, carrying bundles of fur as you had ordered to be placed. The fine, soft white and silver sheen fur of the Fog panthers, all of the pelts complete with their six limbs, the tails removed for the use of scarfs or dusters.

The air with Ling escapes him in the form of a wheezing cough, as he nearly falls of his fine specimen of a horse, as stacks of furs are placed upon the carts you had prepared for the occasion. One of the soldiers drop their weapon as the first two carts are filled with folder panther hides, and then the women bring out the furs of the wild Swing and Mist jackals, with their course and rougher fur, and set them along in other carts, along with a boxes filled with salted and smoked meat.

"how?" Ling says, unable to hide his awe of the bounty before him and dread of the fact that he was seeing something that to his mind should not be possible "how...how acceptable, this is an acceptable replacement for the shipment of grain that Lord Gao asked for, I am certain he will be thrilled to hear of the prosperity of"

He pulls a small scroll from his side and unfurls it

"This, nameless, remote, unimportant village" He says, his voice cracking and turning a little delirious "And you, you were the one who lead the effort in rebuilding, and I assume as well, the idea to substitute the grain for these pelts?"

He folds his fan closed with a flick of his wrist and jabs it at you, his eyes burning with the madness of a man given a chest of jewels and gold.

"What is your name, leader of nothing?" He asks as you don't let your umbridge of your home being described in such terms, even if they are an apt description "it is for my report to Lord Gao, you understand, so his benevolence may learn of your deeds"
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>>4512644

What do you say 2nd?
>Oh I also have no name, fitting for the leader of nothing, no?
> Oh there is no need, friend Ling, instead of worrying about such minor details, why not rest and relax here for the night. You and your men must be tired
>I have no desire for honors or material rewards, simply give Lord Gao what is owed.
>Oh, my apologies, that is only a portion of our tribute to lord Gao, the rest has already been packed, you see.
>Write in?
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>>4512649
>"Oh I also have no name, fitting for the leader of nothing, no? Although, I have been called Hunter by the people of this village, so I suppose Lieren would do well for the records of the mighty lord Gao."
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>>4512644
I got nothing in terms of name.
Tian? Tian the Hunter. Any objections guys?
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>>4512649
>"Oh I also have no name, fitting for the leader of nothing, no? Although, I have been called Hunter by the people of this village, so I suppose Lieren would do well for the records of the mighty lord Gao."
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>>4512654
i like this option, fitting for the great hunter of the wilds
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>>4512649
>>4512619
I literally just said this.

Either Hunter, or the Chinese-esque translation. Leiren, or Lieren
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>>4512649
>"Oh I also have no name, fitting for the leader of nothing, no? Although, I have been called Hunter by the people of this village, so I suppose Lieren would do well for the records of the mighty lord Gao."
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>>4512649
I feel like it doesn't matter, we should probably kill these guys at the slightest implication that they're going to come back. Or we should at least threaten the tax man indirectly, to buy us more time to prep the village and perhaps look around for our pod and any potential tech.
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>>4512649
>>"Oh I also have no name, fitting for the leader of nothing, no? Although, I have been called Hunter by the people of this village, so I suppose Lieren would do well for the records of the mighty lord Gao."
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>>4512663
Leiren would've worked too but Lieren fits in with Magnus, Guilliman, Jaghatai, and Mortarion at the least. I don't think we should limit ourselves to one name, and should take on more as we go through our lives.
>>4512668
I think we should comply until they push us an inch too far, then we put our foot down to the tune of Taiping 2.0. If this Gao burns our village, I say we have his head on a stake.
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>>4512672
+1 to taking more names, that'll make us unique among the primarchs.
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>>4512673
Tian/Tiandi and Haungdi are sick as fuck, they just feel huge to declare this early on. Especially since we've been so humble so far.
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>>4512673
Imagine being the Remembrancer who has to sit and listen to one of the primarchs, the leaders of the great crusade and sons of the emperor of mankind a super human god of war, as he lists of every one of his names and the stories of how he began to be called such. so steeped in metaphor and filled with untranslatable sayings that you're pretty sure he's just decided to fuck with you as a hobby. And when you ask one of his astartes for clarification, they all refer to him by a different one of his names, even whle in conversation with each other.
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>>4512678
Supporting whatever the fuck is going on. Lets do it. Lets fuck with everyone and make this a pissing contest with our brothers by having the most names of ever.
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>>4512684
>instead of a list of titles
>he has a book of names
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>>4512675
>>4512678
>>4512684
>>4512685
We're like a cooler custodian this way, shit's dope.
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>>4512687
If we want to be more unique, we could go by our most recent name instead of just going by the first two, like Constantin Valdor, Ra Endymion, Amon Tauromachian, etc.
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>>4512689
Or change names depending on the situation
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>>4512663
>>4512664
>>4512684

We should take Lieren as our first name, we can adopt as many middle names/titles as we want.

>surname has yet to be decided
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I've had a sudden realization, having numerous names feeds into the neobuddhist angle, because he's intrinsically not attached to any one identity.
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>>4512684
I don't know what we're doing, but I support it!
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>>4512696
He's a Primarch, he's attached to an identity intrinsically. Would his biological makeup allow him to think that way?

Now that I think about it, a collectivist mind might work better for him. IF he IS intrinsically connected to another mind, it would lend credence to a multiple name type situation.

>still voting Lieren/Leiren as first name
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>>4512703
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2o-LmI3kiE
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>>4512703
Of course he's attached to his identity as a primarch under the purview of the Emperor's design, but the implication of many names is that he views himself to be of himself, independent of a name, if that makes any sense. He doesn't view titles or fame as worthwhile, and recognition only insofar as it encourages others to do as he sees fit, for their sake.
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Why not combine the two names we'vve been mentioning in the thread?
Tian Lieren.

That's in Surname - First name form, to note.
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>>4512713
I think we should take the name Tian when its appropriate.
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>>4512714
Ah, so just start as Lieren, and stack on the names like:

<surname we get when emp's shows up> Lieren <name> <name> <title> <name> Tian <name> <title> <title> <name> <name> Haungdi
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>>4512571
Heh. That sounds like it would have been hilarious. Any others you can think of where we can be humble and virtuous but flex hard on our foes at the same time?
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Prefer the no name. Just go by our title / rank as an homage to the emperor.
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>>4512713
>Tiansh Lieren
Heavenly Hunter
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>>4512719
>foe wielding power weapon
>set ours aside, raise fists
>for the sake of fairness
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>>4512722
>sorry
Tianshang Lieren
surname first
Translates to heavenly hunter, though Hunter Heavenly is just as good (if not better) a name.
I don't know how Chinese naming conventions work
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>>4512722
Supporting this, or whatever the proper convention is.
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>>4512722
support
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Alright, calling the vote here, last update of the night.

Telling Ling your name is Lieren: 6
Telling him its Tian: 1
Giving yourself a surname as a peasant: 2

Writing it now

Though I will admit Tian/ Tianshang Lieren sounds pretty cool, and Heavenly hunter is an amazingly awesome
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>>4512741
Shit meant it was 3 for claiming a surname already

but I'll probably go with the Surname Tianshang when You, you know, become big dick king over everything, and before any ancillary names you give yourself or earn

Cause I like the Name Tianshang Lieren
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>inb4 the Yan have a daemon titan and our shit is rocked at mach 10
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>>4512719
Think of it in the context of an emperor asking a provincial governor that's visiting the imperial palace on official business if he'd like to have him get something to drink, after ushering him into a seat before he has himself while nearby servants stand and do nothing. Who's in charge is immediately apparent to anyone looking in, but while it's a show of humility (and good for face) on the surface, it's also a massive flex, in that the emperor makes it clear that the power dynamic isn't remotely dependent on who's doing or wearing what in a way that sitting down and getting to business straightaway wouldn't have done.
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"Oh" You say, the only thing keeping the soldiers from rushing to grab the carts of fur or the women who had delivered them being your imposing presence standing before them like a great statue of iron. Even under their monstrous masks, you could see the amazement and wonder in their eyes, and their burning greed. No doubt they'd filch a fur or two themselves, or cut a piece from one and claim shoddy work on the part of the "Unimportant" Peasants who slew the beasts the hides had belonged to.

Smile genially once more, you take look into Ling's eyes, the arm holding his hand shaking from merely being raised against you. But he manages to maintain a façade of dignity and grace, though it is a most fragile mask he wears.

"I also have no name, rather fitting for the leader of nothing, no?" You say, seeing anger flash through his eyes, clearly he thinks it was spiteful remark and and insult against him, rather than the truth. His upper lips twitches and his mouth opens, but he doesn't speak, instead his eyes fill with fear. His arm is shaking more now, and he swallows again, sending the lump in his throat bobbing up and down. It seems he's too intimidated to speak his mind, and reprimand you or order his men to get his retribution by the points of their spears.

"Although" You say with a deep chuckle from your stomach, keeping your smile as you locked eyes with the tax collector again, and he froze as a bead of sweat rolled down his brow "I have been called Hunter by the people of this village, so I suppose Lieren would do well for the records of mighty Lord Gao"

"You...impudent" Ling manages, struggling to breath, each breath heavy and ragged as he slouched forward still on the back of his horse, unable to say any more as the weight of your presence crushes his show of offense,

"Huh, so we have something to call you besides Hunter now then, Boss" Feng says cheerfully as Ling turns his glare to him "Lieren, a fitting name for the great hunter of the wilds"

"Oh, did you think I was lying when I said I had no name prior to this day?" You ask, making your voice sound hurt and wounded from the unspoken accusation "Oh I apologize for the confusion, Ling, but I truly had no name before this moment"

"Your parents didn't name you? truly barbaric" He says, straightening up, still as pale as a field of fresh snow, swallowing again as he unfurled his fan, covering his face once more "But it matters not, Lieren, I will ensure your accomplishments and hard work reach the ears of Lord Gao, so you can be properly"

He fans himself, narrowing his eyes as he surveys the carts filled with hard to obtain furs of deadly beasts, and boxes of their flesh, prepared to last for many season.

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>>4512785
"Rewarded" He says, closing his fan with another flick of his wrist, grinning ear to ear "though, I find it odd that a man as great as you, to be able to take a ruined village populated by the sick and starving, and turn it into a thriving community, during a famine that made even Great Gao have to miss meals, would not have a name. Nor be known to us, as my orders"


He raised his head, stretching his neck. And when he did your thoughts immediately went to work to find the easiest way to wring it and kill him. it looked like a fowl's neck, long and thing, it'd be a simple as taking his head in one hand and twisting it as you held him down. Though it may take less energy to merely squeeze the life from him. Despite these thoughts, you kept smiling and listening to what the Tax collector said.

"Specifically mentioned, that there was nothing of note within or around this village, outside of a wound in the earth that had" He says, taking that small scroll from his side again, reading it "Had, according to the farmers fleeing their duties had been "Made when a bright flame drove into the ground, and drove through it like a plow through mud, devastating their fields and homes" Which I had not believed myself, but...I have seen the scar myself, and I find it more believable than you, Lieren"

"More believable that celestial fire rained from the sky to fall upon an village so insignificant, that it does not have a name, than there being a giant living there, unknown to the great Lord Gao, unknown to the Mighty line of Yan. a man so strong he managed to, by his claim work through the winter to build walls from trees older than the village itself with no aid" Ling says leaning forward, gripping the reigns of his horse tightly so as not to fall to mud beneath its hooves "So ferocious he treats fog panthers as silkworms and freely takes their furs, and so talented and charismatic, he led a band of starving farmers into rebuilding their devastated homes and turned the men among them into hunters of one of the most deadly common beasts upon Shangrala"

He took a breath, and let it out slowly, puckering his thin lips as he did.

"And had an inner calm that allowed him to do this, as he and his family were dying and knowledge beyond his station, to be able to plan all of this and achieve it" He continues, rapping his fan into his open palm "I find it hard, nigh impossible to believe such a extraordinary man, a giant among men, would have no name and remain unknown for so long among the chaff of society"

A simple twist of the neck, a pinch to the artery, a swift strike to the spine, slapping both side of his head and jostling the brain disconnecting it from the rest of his body, a jab to the heart through his rib cage
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>>4512786
how easy it'd be to kill this man. The way he speaks of your friends and family and of your home was starting to irritate you and awaken your anger. but you kept it locked away, trapped inside of you. Letting it loose would be foolish, so you merely entertained yourself with calculating the most efficient way to end him. In theory, of course.


"But it is the truth, it is as if I have found a baby dragon in the wilds!" Ling laughs, slapping his fan into his palm as he did "When I came looking for rice, like finding Jade among gravel...Lieren, I would very much like to hear more about you, from your own mouth, at a later date"

"You are simply too fascinating to ignore, I'm certain Gao would want to see you for himself, when he hears of you" He says, trying to sound friendly and affable despite having insulted everything you built and cared for more than once "But, I shall take this tax you offer, record it in my ledger, and take my leave of this village"

He rolls the scroll in his hand back up and sets it at his side

"As soon as I catalogue the exact amount of furs and pelts my Lord Gao has received, of course" He says happily, trying to get off his horse but getting caught in the saddle in his excitement to inspect the cargo he'd be trafficking back to his master.

You say nothing when he leaves five furs out of the final count, nor when his men take knives to some of the pelts as they help in his counting. It was an ordeal, but finally, Tax collector Ling and his men leave your village unharmed, taking with them the tribute of furs and hides. But he lingers longer than he should, praising you for your genius and talents, trying to endear himself to you. He had even invited you to visit his private estate, somewhere in Gao's lands

Its was clear as the night sky, he is planning on using you for his own gain somehow. probably taking credit for your discovery or recruiting you to lord Gao's service, or his own if he was bold. No doubt it would make him a richer man, respected and honored by his peers. And that was easily exploitable. But with the tithe given, the tax paid, and soldiers gone, peace returned to your village once more, as it was no longer in danger of being burnt to cinders because of an offended bureaucrat

But there was work to be done still, even though the hardest times had passed

And what was that work, Lieren?
> Continuing to improve and better the lives of your fellow villagers
> Bringing the prosperity of your village to the others nearby
> Training yourself to fight things other than mindless beasts, but rather thinking men armed with steel
> Investigating the site of your "Birth" and attempting to figure out WHAT you were exactly
> Write in
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>>4512789
>Continuing to improve and better the lives of your fellow villagers
They still haven't finished their farms.
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Their farms are shattered and the village won't be sustainable in the long-term until we've restored everything our entry destroyed.
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>>4512789
> Continuing to improve and better the lives of your fellow villagers
> Bringing the prosperity of your village to the others nearby

I think we should try to do both of this, we can create some simple trade and good relations with our neighbours. We can even teach them hunting skills. This should be a great boon for our village combine with the restored and improved farms. The nearby villages will become our allies easily too, with this actions.
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>>4512789
> Investigating the site of your "Birth" and attempting to figure out WHAT you were exactly

>>4512800
>>4512802
My dudes. We did enough for the village to sustain and protect themselves. We have the time. Who knows, there might be tech or information left that could help us and the village by extension.
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>>4512789
> Bringing the prosperity of your village to the others nearby
> Training yourself to fight things other than mindless beasts, but rather thinking men armed with steel
Best to be on guard. We shouldn't think that Ling will be so generous as to allow us to continue what we've been doing. Getting another village in on the act will strengthen us and them, setting the stage for a rebellion further down the line.
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>Investigating the site of your "Birth" and attempting to figure out WHAT you were exactly

Hmm...tempting...very tempting...but the echoes of the past can wait. We must make sure that the people are ready first, so:

> Continuing to improve and better the lives of your fellow villagers
> Bringing the prosperity of your village to the others nearby
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>>4512808
>>4512809
I'm worrying how long it will be before something happens to our village and we go full Angron or Kurze on the perpetrators. We need to be sure they can feed themselves without losing little under a tenth of their number hunting panthers a year.
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>>4512812
It wouldnt take longer than a day to return to the pod, dig it up, and give it a once over.
Improving the entirely of the village on the other hand would take much longer. If the pod had knowledge that would improve the village faster than our own efforts normally, would it not be better to investigate it first? What if someone comes by and steals it? Then we'll never know.
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>>4512812
Keeping in mind, bringing prosperity to the village is not the same as fortifying it or learning martial arts. Barring the latter, improving the standard of living would be more of a luxary than a necessity. Assuming that something bad happens in a few days. If something bad does happen, then that would make bringing prosperity to the village and neighboring ones a mute point.
Maybe, just maybe, the space crib has a las pistol or something. Anything. It was made by the Emperor of Mankind, so it must have a plethora of very, very useful things.
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>>4512818
You make a good point. I'll switch to

> Bringing the prosperity of your village to the others nearby
> Investigating the site of your "Birth" and attempting to figure out WHAT you were exactly

And if we have time train our men up for battle. Probably only if the pod doesn't take too long.
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>>4512789
> Continuing to improve and better the lives of your fellow villagers
> Bringing the prosperity of your village to the others nearby
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>>4512789
> Investigating the site of your "Birth" and attempting to figure out WHAT you were exactly
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>>4512789
> Investigating the site of your "Birth" and attempting to figure out WHAT you were exactly

We need to know. From there we can contextualize what we need to do.
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>>4512825
>+1

Simply put we need a base to stage a revolt. If we play our cards right, we can tell the Emperor that we still swear fealty to him, just fuck this guy.
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>>4512789
> Continuing to improve and better the lives of your fellow villagers
> Investigating the site of your "Birth" and attempting to figure out WHAT you were exactly
Like others have said, we really need to fix the farm so they'll be able to live on their own without needing to hunt dangerous creatures - i mean, it's not like there's THAT many panthers, right? Apex predators rarely exist in that big a number.

Also, we should investigate our pod. It shouldn't take long, and since Ling brought it up, we should indeed try to look into it.
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>>4512919
That’s the thing. It isn’t the apex predator, just the most common “dangerous” beast.
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>>4512923
Well, you get what i mean right? Hunting's not very viable if we want safety.
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>>4512789
>Train yourself to fight things other than mindless beasts
>Bring the prosperity of your village to the others nearby
>Investigate our birth pod.

The pod shouldn't take long, it's just a pod and we have a primarchs knowledge. Bringing propserity to others would involve needing to train their men and women to battle and in that we can also train, alongside modernizing their infastructure.

But once we've learned how to fight men, rather than beasts, we can eradicate 20 men with ease and that's a skill we want as soon as we can get, now that the lord knows of our existance.
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>>4512919
Got a feeling the village will be wiped out under some pretenses as soon as the primarch is away.

>>4512789
Marvelous quest, QM. It was quite an enjoyable read so far.
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>>4512934
Such is the life of a primarch
>>4512931
Perhaps we can make some armor from our pod, considering we would take wounds or losses if we fought 20 armed men with our bare hands
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>>4512939
After we learn it's secrets, sounds like a great idea.
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>>4512939
Would the pod be big enough though?

Also, btw, how old is Lieren as of now?
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>>4512949
A winter has gone by, so terra standards about 9 months?
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>>4512789
> Continuing to improve and better the lives of your fellow villagers
> Training yourself to fight things other than mindless beasts, but rather thinking men armed with steel

Investigating our pod's an interesting prospect, but it's not exactly going anywhere, and we have more immediate concerns.
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>>4512991
There's no reason NOT to do it, i mean how long would that take?
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>>4512991
>but it's not exactly going anywhere
It's not going anywhere, because we haven't checked it out yet.
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>>4512992
To decipher whatever Terran tech it contains from our current tech level of "Chinese rice farmer"? Could take quite a while, even with our Primarch intellect.
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Note: If we dont get the pod sorted, then eventually (probably when this village gets razed while we are away) someone else is going to come along and steal it, and probably do untold damage to what secrets it holds which might be of use to us.
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>>4512995
We don't need to translate anything immediately, we just have to check it.
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>>4512995
>even with our Primarch intellect.
...it's
anon it all ingrained knowledge. you can't even back up what you're saying. Primarchs are super fucking humans with knowledge coded into their very being. Some people like Dorn and Perterabo for example were born with the knowledge on how to build space forts and such.

See this as a valid point >>4512997
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>>4512789
> Investigating the site of your "Birth" and attempting to figure out WHAT you were exactly
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>>4512789
> Investigating the site of your "Birth" and attempting to figure out WHAT you were exactly
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>>4512789
>> Continuing to improve and better the lives of your fellow villagers
>> Investigating the site of your "Birth" and attempting to figure out WHAT you were exactly
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>>4512959
The seasons on some worlds are fucked, for all we know winter could've been half a terran year of struggle and pain.

>>4512817
>>4512818
>>4512997
You make very good points, I want to get our village self-sustainable so they aren't whittled down by monsters but searching the pod is more important in the long run. I don't think our village is at risk from lord Gao straightaway, the fortified walls and clearly trained peasants would be more than it's worth to wipe out, even moreso when they're paying tenfold what they owe in taxes.

>>4512789
>Investigating the site of your "Birth" and attempting to figure out WHAT you were exactly
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>>4513004
Primarchs do have superhuman intellect, even Angron is able to seethe on a level mere humans who haven't had the Butcher's Nails implanted cannot comprehend.
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>>4513141
That's why i said by terran standards.
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>>4513145
I have to warn you, I'm dangerously retarded
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>>4513154
You’ll never be Court of Swords level of retarded.
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Alright calling the vote now.
Improve your village:7
Help the nearby Villages:6
Train yourself:2
Meditate on what you are and investigate the pod: 11
Looks like Lieren has become interested in the question of where he came from and what he is

Writing the update now

>>4512934
Thanks, I'm glad you're enjoying it. I know I'm enjoy writing it, and reading the plans being made in the thread

And the shitposts, the shitposts are also nice
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With the arrival of spring comes a feeling of ease and serenity to the village, the warmer weather raising the spirits and hopes among your people greatly. The fear of starving in the night is now but a memory under your guidance, the beasts that had preyed upon them for so many generations now becoming just another source of food if a dangerous source indeed.

Though some wounds will never heal, both in flesh and mind, you have bettered these people's lives. And now they can tend to their paddies and fields unafraid, with renewed spirits. Guarded not only your hand and the trained spears held by their own sons and brothers, but by the very hope in their hearts.

But they still are using subpar methods of farming, and relying on a frail crop that will die if the weather has a sudden change or it has too much or little water flooding over its seeds. It is simply inefficient, and you'll have to replace those rice paddies with fields growing more hardy and reliable crops. As well as improve the soil, in terms of fertility it is simply lacking.

All of these are of course easy questions for you to answer, fear of starvation? Grow better crops and use more effective cultivation methods, make new plots of farmable lands and reclaim the ones lost in the calamity that foretold your birth. Possibility of attack by other men or a more dangerous beast than the fog panther? Simply train your friends and dear hunting companions in more effective combat tactics and spear technique. The wall would suffice to keep out all but an army or the most dangerous of Shangrala's creatures.

But that road of thought brought a worry to your mind, a question you had not thought before, and one that now desperately needed answering. Your birth. From no womb you did spring, as if you were a bird without a nest or egg. Of course you knew, instinctively, that you were of a different stock than other men, from your size, prowess and inborn knowledge alone. But beyond that knowledge, the question of what sort of creature you were never crossed your mind.

Why would it? it was a waste of time worrying about things that had no effect on your productivity or ability to survive or that of those around you. but now, it hung over your thoughts as thick and heavy as the fog you had lived in since your anomalous birth. It raised more questions, troubling questions, with its mere presence in your thoughts. You'd need to find answers, if not of your origins, then at least what you were.

For while you looked like man, the physical perfection of one grown beyond the standard stature and bulk, you clearly were not, even if you lived like one, laughed like one, talked like one and cared for your kin like one.

"Are you alright Lieren? is something troubling you?" Feng asks, from across the fire, where you and some of the other villagers have gathered for a shared meal "you haven't taken your eyes from the flames since we sat down"
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>>4513278

The wood snapped, sparks flying as you closed your eyes to search for the words to describe what exactly was plaguing your mind.


"the matter of my birth" You say, admitting your worries, watching the swine hanging above the tongues of fire weep fat and grease onto the fowl hanging beneath it "I have come to realize, I was not born like any other man, and the question of what I am troubles me now, Friend Feng"


Liang and Jiang, sitting to your sides, guarding you as they have always, look concerned with this unprecedented show of weakness, but they remain silent.

"You are Lieren, great hunter of the wilds, savior of "nothing" Feng laughs, trying to ease the your worry with kindness "That is the truth I, and everyone else in this village know, You are our friend and cherished brother, our wise and strong leader, that is what you are"

"But I am not a man, you cannot deny I am something different, even if I am all of those things" You say, explaining why you were troubled with more detail, giving insight to your plight "from no mother I did crawl, my womb was the earth. From no father I was sired, and like no child I have grown"

"No matter what you are, you are Lieren" Feng says, a serious look in his eyes, the one beneath the scars half closed like it always had been since he earned that mark "that is enough for me, but I can understand why such a quandary would bother you, Friend Lieren"

"Perhaps you can ask Elder Wenyan? Your father knows more of you than even us, maybe he holds the answer you seek" Liang suggests, before his brother cuts in, speaking his mind as always.
"I mean no offense to Wise Wenyan, but there are somethings men simply do not know" is what Jiang says, mouth full of fried field mouse, a food of desperation he has grown found of "Like, how you could keep from killing that Tax collector, were I in your place he would be a corpse"

"And so would the rest of us, Jiang, you must learn to think" Feng says, wagging his finger in the air, admonishing the as always hot blood Jiang, who simply snorted and stuffed another rat in his maw, the tail sticking out of his lips as he crunched its bones and chewed its flesh.

"Fool of a glutton!" Liang scolds, smacking his brother for his words, and sending scalding chunks of rat meat and fat splattering into the dirt.

There would be no answers in the village, even from the great wisdom of your father, that much was clear. But your birth place, the cave beneath the cliff of calamity, it may hold the secrets you seek. or at the very least a hint of your origins, why you exist in the first place. Even the merest, simplest answer would suffice.

Standing from the fire, you take your spear from the ground where it lays. It is always better to be armed when walking in the wilds than it is not to be, like a Panther without fangs as they say. Even if you may deal with any threat you come across with your hands, without your spear you'd merely be inviting unnecessary danger.
Cont
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>>4513280

"Huh? Where are you going Lieren?" Feng asks Jiang hits Liangs now that you've risen to your feet. You look down at Feng.

"to seek answers, I will return as soon as I have them" You say stoically, walking away from the cooking fire, heading for the first of the three gates "I am only walking to the cliff of calamity, I feel as if I will find what I seek at its base. I shall not be gone for long"

"Or be going alone, the brothers of panthers shall be your shield" Feng says, hopping to his feet, his bad leg buckling as he smacked his spear into the ground, with his injuries he'd only be detriment in any battle you may find

"And your claws" Liang says, after kicking his identical brother of the log they were both sitting on

"And your fangs" Jiang says, anger rising to the air from his tone, his eyes glaring at his reflection ruefully

"You all well know how capable I am of defending myself, my friends" You say, as they join you in your march through the town "There is no need to accompany me on a short stroll through the fields"

"Tch, and miss the glory that follows behind you like a tail?" Jiang laughs boisterously, holding his spear across his shoulder

"Foolish Jiang means to say, we cannot in good conscience leave you unguarded, Lieren" Liang says, shooting his other half a scathing look of disdain, while Jiang only laughs "As the savior of our people, to leave you open to danger would be our eternal shame"

"A brother helps whenever he can, even if it is only in seeking answers, it is our duty, Friend Lieren" Feng says warmly, a smile breaking across his ruin of a face, the scars stretching as his muscles pulled taught.

"It is also your duty to defend the village" You say sternly, squinting as they continued to follow you "The walls are weaker than I am, to remain here would be the wiser choice"

"Spring is young, the swine are fat, The Panthers would prefer to hunt them over men" Feng answers, disobeying your unspoken order to remain here and not to follow you

"There are more dangers in the fogs than mere Panthers" You point out, the gate already opened as you walk past it, two other of your companions guarding, Shaved head Wei and Half Jaw Hu who was so named cause he had last half his teeth, rather than half of his jaw. They raised their spears in greeting as you passed, your unwanted companions following behind you.

"Then call this a patrol, that follows where you step" Jiang snorts, wiping his nose as his more dignified brother slaps his back for such disrespect "Hey!"

"Jiang, Feng, remain here" You order, the uncouth twin bowing his head and stepping back, all bluster and fire fading from him "Liang, follow at a pace that will allow you to spot any dangers unseen to my eyes"

"As you command, Lieren, the walls will be safe" Feng says respectfully, clasping his hands together and bowing. Jiang hurried to do the same, nearly dropping his spear while Feng had kept his spear in place by leaning it against himself.
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>>4513282

"No harm shall come to this place under our watch" He adds with a nervous chuckle, clearly fearing he has upset you with his impudence
"Or ours!" Shaved Head Wei shouts from behind the gate.


"Come Liang" You command, motioning with your spear forward, you only allowed him to remain, as unlike Feng, is unwounded and does not suffer a limp, and unlike Jiang, is not a hot headed fool who would cause more trouble than his presence would solve.

"As you command, Lieren" He says, clasping his hands together, remaining still as you walk ahead, following your command to trail behind you
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The crest of dirt and stone blasted out from beneath the earth stands tall, not far from the walls of the village and always in view of it. It is a great, scar across the land, continuing for miles, a cliff dug into the very landscape like a burrow of some great serpent . The piled rubble and dirt forming its "Crest" overlooks the valley and village, though with the fog seeing much from such a vantage point would be quite a challenge.

Liang keeps his distance, following you down into the earth as you walk into the cause of much of the villages sadness and struggles, outside of Gao and the famine . The walls of the newly made canyon are smooth like cut stone, burned into a kind of glass from the sheer, unimaginable heat that proceeded your creation. Darkness swallows you as you walk deeper, the fog keeping the sun's light from reaching into the depths of the cliffs. You smell burning Resin, telling you Liang has lit his personal torch to follow you deeper into the depths of the wound upon the earth.

But you can still see clearly, walking through the unnatural halls of glass and melted stone. A sense of apprehension falls upon your heart, as you wonder if it'd be better to turn back than to discover and unpleasant truth, but you banish those doubts and march forward into the darkness, into the womb of Shangrala herself.
The passage narrows, just large enough for a being of your stature to fit through, one way or another, you're approaching the secret of your creation, of your existence. And the answer you seek.

'What am I? None know, not even myself, the truth of my being must be at the end of this tunnel, I know it to be' you think, your mind aflame, excitement mixing with dread 'I remember, crawling through this same burrow, moments after I was born. Am I Shangrala's own son? or one of the heavens' own children? I must know, even if I am a devil spat from hell into mortal flesh, I must know"

And then, sitting, half buried in stone, you find your answer.

It is, a colossal egg made of steel and glass and other things, split open yet uncracked, like a sprouting seed. Upon its shell, strange writing glows with a power you have not felt before yet feels familiar. Deeply familiar.
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>>4513288

Reaching out, you touch the great egg, feeling the chill of its metal, tracing the strange, unknown language with your fingers before finding larger markings upon a metal plate nailed onto it.

They are "II", carved into the metal so finely and carefully it almost seemed to be natural.


Breathless, you inspected the egg you hatched from, trying to discern any meaning from it, to find your origin hidden within it. There was writing upon it, the language of your parents? or your creators perhaps? Searching, you cautiously explored the inside of the egg with your fingers, feeling odd bumps, protrusions and welts in the surface and what felt like roots of steel within. Suddenly, it began to glow with a blinding, pure white light. You shielded your eyes, adjusting to the sudden increase in illumination in half a breath.

And when you opened them again, you saw a stream of symbols running down the glass half of the egg. Symbols you recognized, yet were unfamiliar to you.

Yes, this is what you sought! Digging and striking at the stone and soil wrapping around it, you slowly managed to free your egg from the wall it had been buried in, the light of Liang's torch barely reaching the edge of the chamber where you hatched.

What will you do with your egg, Lieren?
> Study it for days and nights, hoping to gleam further knowledge from it,
> Salvage its shell, its stronger and more durable than any metal you've ever seen before
> Set it in the center of the village, to allow the other villagers to marvel at it
> Hide it away in the depths of the woods, where you can be certain none may take it from you
>Write in
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>>4513289
>Hide it away in the depths of the woods, where you can be certain none may take it from you
> Study it for days and nights, hoping to gleam further knowledge from it,
Actually we should do both.
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>>4513289
> Study it for days and nights, hoping to gleam further knowledge from it,
The Emperor threw us an ipad and told us to grow up on our own.
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>>4513289
>Study it for days and nights, until you are sure there is nothing more to learn and you have memorised every milimetere, then salvage it.

Taking it to the woods is of no use to us, and taking it to the village is only inviting the lord to try and tax us of it.
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>>4513289
> Study it for days and nights, hoping to gleam further knowledge from it,

Then we can salvage it and make an excellent armor and weapon out of it.
i like the two brothers
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>>4513301
support
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>>4513301
What safety does the forest offer that this cave doesn't?
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>>4513289
>Study it for days and nights, hoping to gleam further knowledge from it,
There are things we must discover, and while i'm certain the pod would make armor better than anything Shangrala has, it'd be an waste of information.
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>>4513312
I agree, if the goal is to study it, why move it first? That's just a delay to the studying.
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>>4513289
> Study it for days and nights, hoping to gleam further knowledge from it,
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>>4513289
> Set it in the center of the village, to allow the other villagers to marvel at it
> Study it for days and nights, hoping to gleam further knowledge from it,

If we are away from the village, something might happen while we are studying it that we may miss. Who knows, maybe someone might say something that will trigger something in our mind, or give a line of thought that would not otherwise be considered?
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>>4513289
>Study it for days and nights, hoping to gleam further knowledge from it

>>4513312
>>4513317
The cave is blindingly obvious but if we hid it in the woods there'd be no way anyone would find it without a dedicated search party or insane luck. I still don't think we should waste time to move it.
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The real value of this pod has nothing to do with it’s materials. Rather may I remind you it’s Age of Technology stuff, equipped with the most advanced gellar field of the time, and enhanced by the Emperor himself. We could safely learn psyker stuff in this thing, attempt to reverse engineer it, or turn it into a weapon to specifically deal with daemons and psykers.
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>>4513327
Speaking of psyker stuff, is Lieren a psyker or not?
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>>4513325
on the other hand, theres only one way in and one way out, and we're (probably) the apex predator on this planet.
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>>4513329
Technically all of humanity are psykers, just latent ones.
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>>4513325
Blindingly obvious? Only if you genuinely expect something to be down here and are willing to climb down a cliff that you can't see bottom of, find the cave then trawl through pitch blackness to find the pod. If you wanted to hide it, just put up a net with stones woven into it, nobody would push against it to undo the illusion
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>>4513334
Well, could Lieren be a latent psyker? It's not like he'd be born directly knowing of it, right? Even if he's a Primarch.
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>>4513336
Short answer is yes.
Long answer is psykers powers mostly come from the soul so if you have a strong soul then you’ll be a strong psyker and Primarchs have the strongest among humanity barring the Emperor himself. As a matter of fact I think most Primarchs use warp based abilities without realizing it.
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>>4513344
Yeah, but i'm wondering if there's a chance we'll eventually discover those powers to be able to do psyker stuff. I mean, some primarchs have more psyker potential than others, right? Kinda like how Magnus is like the second strongest psyker in the galaxy.
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>>4513344
The Khan channeled his soul into his sword to stab ghosts, and he isn't even a "proper" psyker.
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>>4513347
Kinda. Technically speaking even the pure warrior ones are unconciously enhancing themselves with warp bullshit, Magnus is just one of the only ones that’s actually a psyker.
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>>4513329
Every primarch is a psyker but some are much subtler or somehow suppressed, as Angron was.
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>>4513301
+1
we need to figure it out stat, we can't have really trust others with it just yet.
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Alright, calling the vote now.
Study it: 9
Hide it away in the woods: 3
Bring it to the village: 1
Salvage it:1

So you will be studying and researching the Egg you emerged from, to find any secrets or hidden knowledge it may hold.

Making the update

Also, I'm curious, what are your guesses for the 2nd's intended purpose/ role.
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>>4513408
From the way it's going right now, being raised by poor but good villagers, either everyone is going to die and he's going to
>a. get autistic determination
>b. goo full edge
Or they don't die, the village prospers and Lieren becomes a good boy like vulkan or sanguinius.
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>>4513408
Too early to tell really. He's not done anything the other primarchs couldn't do.

Personal headcannon though is that the 2nd or the 11th primarch were intended as the "void commander" niche. You know, admirals for space conquest.
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>>4513414
Wouldn't an primarch's physical talents be kind of wasted on space conquest, though? I mean, they'd be a hell of a lot good admirals, but there's only so much you can do commanding a fleet that an particularly crafty human normie can't do either.
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>>4513408
>what are your guesses for the 2nd's intended purpose/ role.
Anti chaos? The closest thing to that in canon is Mortarion, and that's because his dad was a chaos cultist. It'd also explain why we got stolen by Malal in this continuity, since we'd be the ideal anti chaos god weapon.
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>>4513422
How would an anti-chaos primarch work?
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>>4513408
Hmmm. We're definitely not a Magnus-tier psyker and we haven't demonstrated much technical inclination outside of the baseline (although we've had no tech to work with) but we're a competent enough administrator and constructor to bring a village from the brink of annihilation to complete prosperity, and able enough at melee to drop a panther on steroids shortly after birth with our bare hands, with ease. None of that's outstanding for a primarch and it's early to determine for sure but I'm almost feeling he's a stopgap between Gulliman and Lion'El, with the golden eyes, hands-on bureaucracy, and simultaneously civilized and savage bent.
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>>4513421
maybe it would be more about the leadership qualities that they possess, inspiring the soldiers and what not. Like a psychic aura Paladin
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>>4513413
If we do go full edge, we should have it be focused edge. Razing an enemy's lands only as far as needed to get them to capitulate, torturing a captured general to worsen the morale of his troops, that kind of thing.

>>4513414
>>4513421
You say admiral, but a primarch would be a hellacious vanguard for boarding actions.
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>>4513421
Isn't a primarchs physical talents wasted as an Orator [Lorgar] or a battery for the throne [Magnus] or an architect [Pert]?

Primarchs just are physically perfect, that's just the way of things, so that even if they are not intended for combat, they can still do it.
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>>4513423
Well, you can't have a Blank Primarch, that's impossible due to metaphysical stuff in setting.

But you could theoretically have a Primarch dedicated to fighting Chaos, similar to how the Grey Knights due it despite not being blanks either.
The first thing I'd give that primarch is enhanced empathy and perception, so that he'd be able to root out chaos infiltration and tell when other primarchs or humans are getting tainted and manipulated. We've... sorta done this?
After that, it really depends on how you're intending on using an anti-chaos primarch. An inquisitor is going to be different from a spearhead.
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>>4513429
Kind of, being an Orator requires much more charisma, something Lorgar was good at, especially if you're dealing with other superpowered beings and entire planets. Magnus was just a battery and that requires lots of psychic power, and Primarch architects are able to do shit like continent-sized palaces.
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>>4513434
Remember Lorgar was charismatic enough to hard-stop Angron when he was in a rage induced by the butcher's nails in his brain, and laid down the foundation for the spiritual doctrine behind both major, mutually opposed religions in the setting. That's insane.
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>>4513431
Friend of mine figured out an excuse for a blank primarch. Being they landed on a tomb world and the necrons decided to have some fun with this super soul. It's plausable but that's about it really.

>>4513434
Then you see my point. Even if it's a waste, they still have it.

>>4513428
As guiliman proves, you can be both a frontline fighter and as effective as an armchair general with a vox and a primarchs multi-tasking.
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>>4513439
Every single one of the primarchs except for ferrus manus lol was crazy competent, and did some pretty absurd stuff. So far, we've been living on easy mode, considering there's been nothing to test ourselves against.
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>>4513443
>ferrus manus
Don't short-sell him, Gardinaal was a bitch to pacify.
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>>4513423
The Lion is probably the closest you can get to anti-Chaos outside of weird blank shenanigans; incorruptible though he was born and bred right next to the eye, a hunter of all kinds of chaos beasts, one of the best generals/warriors, etc.
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>>4513443
Perturabo sure dug some impressive holes with that shovel of his
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>>4513523
The biggest hole he dug was himself
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And in the gloom of the cave of your origins, you remained for some time, trying to learn from the metal egg, the seed pod that spat you into the world. The first day you spent in the darkness, was learning the basics of the writing the glass would flash with, like it had become heated in a forge, and trying to learn the meanings of the letters and the structure of the unknown langue. With some prodding and jabbing at the strange things within the Egg, you learned that some of them would press down and retreat into its metal walls.

Eventually, Liang ventured into the chamber, telling you half a day had passed at you had deciphered a language unlike any you had encountered before, but such was your vast wisdom that you had already some understanding it. You took your leave, so the village would not send out search parties for the two of you and so Father would not worry of your absence. But upon Dawn, you trekked back to cave, and resumed your study. It became apparent to you, that this was no egg, but some kind of technology far beyond even the greatest wonders of Shangrala.

Scholars would battle like starving Jackals to just see such a marvel of science, wars would be raged merely to claim it as a trophy and decoration. Of this you were certain. It was like a seal boat or chest of metal, larger than a man, with metal ropes inside of it were untouched, with hollow tubes of glass or finely braided metal of an origin unknown to you, or any other upon this mortal realm. And there were the odd runes on its face that did not match what it showed you when you pressed the right buttons or flicked switches or connected the correct Exposed wiring. you knew what it was, without knowing how. Like how you knew most of what you know.

The second day was spent, in trial and error, learning what combination pressing, moving, rewiring and tinkering to get it to show different information, strings of text, sentences. Graphs and ratios in glowing light. It'd make noises and wail like the tormented dead, Liang rushing to your side the first time you made it sound what you can only guess was an advance alarm to warn of attack upon the egg like container. Or perhaps to warn those around it it was opening?

Maybe it was meant to alert of some failing of the integrity of the machine, or its inhabitant. How peculiar. But the end of the 2nd day you had learned enough to begin deciphering the language it showed properly. You did not return to the village that night, such was your excitement.

Jiang replaced Liang when he could not longer stand at guard. And into dawn, you continued researching and recording the meanings you managed to gleam from the repeated symbols and text, carving them into the sides of the cave wall and then copying them into stone tablets as your village could not afford proper ink and parchment.

You continued this study, learning this alien language for two more days, until at last, in the dead silence of the fourth night
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>>4513530
you reached a breakthrough


While you could not be certain of the meaning of the letters and words you read, nor what the graphs, ratios and percentages it also displayed could possibly represent, without another example of this work to compare it to or a native speaker to confirm your interpretation of the language, You had discovered what you first came into this hole to discover.

What you were. You realized that one word was repeated on every page of light and all the information it could display to you, either some corner, or in bold, burning letters besides a representation of a human body or graphs and lists of percentages.
The word was Primarch, though what that meant and what it was escaped you, but you knew the name of your people now. Primarch. Even if you had no idea where they may exist within the world.

But, that was not the only secret the lay within this capsule of knowledge and wisdom, as when you traced your hand across the word, trying to, find how to voice it without an external references, the image it the glass screen changed suddenly. To a new vision from the ones you had figured out to make produce prior.

Truly it was a marvel, far beyond anything the Yan held, or even the Vishnu people by the distant sea and across the mountains knew, or any of the other neighboring kingdoms. If a king knew of this wonderous machine, they would bring war and devastation to claim it.

Pondering how to keep such a thing from happening, you watched the flashing images and text, a feeling of nostalgia filling your soul as the cave filled with lights and sights never before seen upon Shangrala. Stranger devices than the one before you, men dressed clearly and armed with weapons of war. Battle lines, tactics of a brilliance no general upon this mortal world could hope to grasp the complexity of.

Yet you knew their meaning. And with a touch of your hand, the scene stopped, on a image, so realistic it seemed to be a living man frozen in time. With a weapon spitting fire in his hands.

"Bizarre" You mutter, tilting your head, tapping the screen again, as what you recognized as equations and recipe, the work of alchemy...no chemistry! that was the term, it came to you from within your natural wisdom once more. Marvelous, fascinating.

Once you had cracked the code of the language, breaking the one barrier keeping you from the knowledge you so desired, you began to read, on weapons of war that seemed to come from myth and legend, of concepts of architecture and building that would far surpass any structure on shangrala, the chemical components to create wonders and miraculous things.

It was a trove of knowledge, and you realize that before you were born these images, these texts, these sounds, were somehow implanted into you. None of it was unfamiliar to you, though the concepts made little sense from your perspective, it was all clear to you. There was no fog clouding the meaning or use of this wisdom, as you read.

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>>4513533

This Natural knowledge born with you combined with your natural skill of learning as quick as lightning falls and analyzing what lay before your golden eyes as easily as you breathed, you learned much, more than you already did by your birth. The Primarchs must be as gods with this knowledge, and the technologies you read and learned of.

With it at your hand, you could revolutionize how the people of Shangrala lived. You could cut the mortality rate from wounds or disease to a fraction of what it was now! Eliminate hunger! Improve tools and buildings. Make everything run as efficiently and smoothly as you knew it could, in theory before but now you knew if you could find or create a fraction of the wonders you now knew of, you could make it reality.

By the end of a sleepless week, eight days and eight nights of sitting in quite study, contemplation and meditation, you had learned all you could from the texts displayed upon the glass. It would be no foolish boast to say you were the brightest mind upon Shangrala now. With this knowledge, and time, you could change the face of the world, the course of history itself.

An army with tactics far more complex than any others, perfectly tuned to function at its peak performance from the rations they're given and marching time, armed and aided by wonder weapons that'd seem as magic to the common man. An unstoppable wave through the valley, washing away all before it.

Tactics crafted from within the depths of your mind, rather, as you had seen weaknesses within the ones presented. Flaws, the most glaring being how few accounted for the present of ever present fog and the obstruction to vision it presented, Odd. They spoke of fighting without any gravity holding you down, but not of the haze of fog? Bizarre, simply bizarre.

There was another problem, most of what you learned of, could no be created upon shangrala, outside of the most basic of weapons, tools and aid. Now the cup of your knowledge was filled with water you could not drink, could not share with the world.

But, what little could be made, would still be a great leap in the ease of living and life for everyone. The more effective designs for tools, the equations and make up for better metal, for medicine, glue, solvents and oil...You may be able to create the electricity you read of if you gathered the most skill craftsmen in the land. and they would think you a raving madman!

"Lieren" half jaw hu calls to you as you catalogue and shift through all that you now know, looking for what could feasibly be made without an extravagant waste of resources and time.

And you find it, explosive powder. Gun power. Guns. That alone, would allow you defeat a force far larger than any you led, even in unfavorable conditions.

"Lieren!" Hu yells, getting your attention right as you turn to continue your studying, to refine your knowledge of these once alien concepts and ideas

"Yes Hu?" You ask as he enters the chamber, breathless
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>>4513536

"Tax collector ling, he has come demanding to see you" He explains, flickering torch in his hand

How troublesome.

What will you do, Lieren
>Go greet the leech and ask what is the purpose for his surprise visit
>Tell Hu to tell Ling you are busy with important study
> Ask if he's here as friend or foe? or is it to ask you to visit his estate, pointlessly
> Invite the tax collector to your home, and entertain him, once you've finished going over the useable knowledge
>write in?
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>>4513541
> Invite the tax collector to your home, and entertain him, once you've finished going over the useable knowledge
We have the leverage here. If we make the tax collector wait a week, what is he going to do but seethe? We are on the precipice of true brilliance.
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>>4513541
>Go greet the leech and ask what is the purpose for his surprise visit
If we don't do it something worse might happen to the village, and if we're too nice we'll look dumb - let's just go and talk to him normally.
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>>4513541
>Turn the shell off, the greet the leech. Now isnt the time for our discovery to be found.
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>>4513545
>>Turn the shell off, the greet the leech. Now isnt the time for our discovery to be found.
>> Invite the tax collector to your home, and entertain him, once you've finished going over the useable knowledge
turn off the pod so nobody will steal it, then talk to the guy.
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>>4513541
>>Go greet the leech and ask what is the purpose for his surprise visit
>> Invite the tax collector to your home, and entertain him, once you've finished going over the useable knowledge
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>>4513541
>Go greet the leech and ask what is the purpose for his surprise visit
The contents of the egg makes me think our purpose is less grand strategy like rowboat or khan and more focused on tactics and logistics. If guilliman is octavian, we're napoleon.
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We could just be an allrounder.
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>>4513541
> Invite the tax collector to your home, and entertain him, once you've finished going over the useable knowledge

Practice virtue and we shall counter the vices of Chaos.
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I'm going to guess that Ling wants to bring Lieren to Lord Gao, considering what he said last time. It's unlikely he has "bad" (read: pillage-y) intentions with the village, as he's smart enough to be cowardly about attacking an village protected by an giant with literal golden eyes.
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>>4513541
>>Go greet the leech and ask what is the purpose for his surprise visit
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>>4513541
>Go greet the leech and ask what is the purpose for his surprise visit
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>>4513561
The emperor was the all rounder, every primarch was made to be a specialist in a certain field, in order to make the crusade as efficient as possible
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>>4513559
That's interesting, in all honesty, it could be a possibility, but isn't rockboot already the 'administration n shit' primarch?
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>>4513523
>>4513529
Peturabo is scary when he wants to be. The Iron Cage, his automata bodyguard, and him trouncing Angron, namely, but he's held back by his inferiority complex because of how his father used him as a tool, and the Emperor expected him to fight in the Great Crusade with no choice on his part which, despite the necessity, impacted him much the same.
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>>4513579
He is.

>>4513577
Emps was a specialist in every field. A small but important distinction.
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I kinda want to see us become more void-craft/logistics specialized but it's still super early to tell. All we know is that our warp powers are pretty underdeveloped.
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I can't recall any space specialist Primarch. Maybe that's us and we'll end up as Admiral Yi Sun Shin somewhere between Lieren and Huangdo?
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>>4513579
>>4513583
Maybe we're the micromanagement primarch to Guillaman's macromanagement, intended to be a godlike sergeant on the battlefield with the improvisation skills, innate savagery, and raw charisma to meet any gaps. Our first impulse when we saw the tax collector and the soldiers was to think about the different ways we could exterminate them, and when we were fighting the panther, instead of ripping it limb from limb or wielding a stone like most primarchs would have, we calmly executed it with the bare minimum effort possible.
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>>4513590
>Huangdo
You mean Huangdi right?
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>>4513590
That'd be cool as shit, but we landed in an poor chinese rice vilage, so don't know if we'll end up dealing with that kind of stuff.
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>>4513598
It would make more sense if we landed in Carib 4 if we were.
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>>Turn the shell off, the greet the leech. Now isnt the time for our discovery to be found.
this seems like the prudent course of action, we have the time to keep checking the device later, right now we need to deal with this asshole taxman
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>>4513600
Yeah, which is why i don't think we'll be an naval primarch. So i still don't know what Lieren's specialization could be
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>>4513605
politics/diplomacy. maybe we we're meant to negotiate alliances when that still might have been a possibility
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>tfw remember the Rangdan exist
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>>4513605
Of the 18, the only two niches really missing when it came to combat specialties were naval combat and anti-psyker duty.
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>>4513611
Well anon, this time we've got a chance because malal decided to give us a push. All we need to do is not fuck up.
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>>4513541
>Invite him to his home so that he may be comfortable.

Well guys, this trope is happening. Prepare for being badasses against Gao.
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>>4513600
>>4513614
Hang on a minute, what if the choice of homeworld wasn't predominately a choice of homeworld at all, but to determine what our specialty was? Fuck, if that's true we could've been hypergrug on Voormis.
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>>4513623
Probably.
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>>4513625
If that's true, it makes me think it goes-
>Voormis: Asymmetric Melee
>Carib 4: Naval/Void Warfare
>Bravan Prime: Grand Strategy
Because of the mention of the eight celestial courts, and the symbol of Chaos being an eight-pointed star, I suspect-
>Shangrala: Anti-Psyker
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>>4513541
>Go greet the leech and ask what is the purpose for his surprise visit

>>4513577
Horus and the Lion were the all rounders, and maybe Sanguinius as well. I think 3 or 4 all rounders is too much, so we're probably going to specialise in something, though I don't know what it could be.

>>4513598
Landing in the rice village implies that we're probably going to lead some peasant rebellion, striking from the fog before disappearing into the mist. Maybe a warrior leader like Angron pre-nails, or some kind of Corax/Lion mix?
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>>4513541
>>Turn the shell off, the greet the leech. Now isnt the time for our discovery to be found.
>> Invite the tax collector to your home, and entertain him, once you've finished going over the useable knowledg
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>>4513631
Horus, Lion, and Sanguinius were not allrounders. Horus was solidly specced toward leadership. Lion was a tactician. Sanguinius was the Emperor’s heir.
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>>4513631
Horus was made to be middle management, Lion a commander, and sanguinius an uber diplomate
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>>4513642
I would say that Horus and the Lion were definitely all rounders. While they couldn't do certain things as well as their brothers, e.g fortification and building like Dorn/Perturabo, they had a wide range of skills that would qualify them for an all rounder title, in my mind at least. Lion was a hunter, warrior, stealthyboi, tactician, die hard loyalist, and an alright leader (certain incidences notwithstanding), while Horus was also a warrior, leader, general, diplomat, and ruler. I'll admit that Horus was predominantly a leader and the Lion was a tactician, but they could do a lot of their brothers jobs fairly well, which you couldn't say for most of them.
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>>4513663
Than literally all of the Primarches are allrounders by that logic.
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>>4513663
Specialist doesn't mean incapable of doing anything but one thing, it means being the best at something. Not everyone is russ. Magnus, for example, was excellent at leading his part of the crusade and was a fine diplomat, but his primary focus was being a psycher
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>>4513541
>Turn the shell off, the greet the leech. Now isnt the time for our discovery to be found.
> Invite the tax collector to your home, and entertain him, once you've finished going over the useable knowledg

He probably wants to recruit us. That could mean a position of sort. We could use that, but this nobles seems cruel and could block more than once our attempts to stop widespread misery. They don t have the guts for an outright punishment, but they will attack our village or use other vile tactics for keep us in line.
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>>4513683
I think we should work on the peasantry and buddy up with the nobles as little as possible. This guy especially, he's too slimy to not pull anything unless we scare him into submission.
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>>4513683
We could always make it clear that if our village is harmed, we'll kill everyone involved, starting with the tax collector and moving onto Gao. It'll carry weight because they know we're dangerous enough to do it.
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>>4513629
I really like the idea of using an eight-fold path type philosophy combined with natural anti-psyker powers to rid this planet of its hedonistic tendencies. We could also pick up martial arts knowledge along the way and become a hand-to-hand combatant that would rival Leman Russ. Viking vs. Martial Artist
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For all we know we could actually be the primarch who best encapsulates philosophy and morality.
Imagine how different the imperium would have turned out if it had a solid philosophical foundation which would dissuade anyone from proclaiming emps as a god.
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>>4513688
I like the idea of being perfectly polite, then letting the formalities slide for a single sentence. Full "I will repay every slight 8 fold. Every death avenged in a family line ended." Level threats.
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>>4513701
It kind of sounds a bit edgy, honestly. I mean, it's 40k, but still...
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>>4513701
>tax collector attempts to flex his authority
>look at him in mild, casual contempt
>uproot a nearby tree, snap it over knee
>tell him his spine will follow if he dare goes an inch over the tithe
>no fierce intimidation, only stating cold fact
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>>4513706
I was riffing on xanxia novels. Where, you're right its edgy, such lines are spoken and carried out straight by the "heros" of the story and its treated like a justified threat against their foes. But when spoken by the villains is an overkill and evil act, by virtue of not being the protagonist.

This being fantasy Asia, I figured the trope "every slight replayed 7fold" would fit.
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>>4513700
As much as some would argue “religion bad” it really wasn’t the actual problem, the Emperor created a convenient vacuum that the Imperial Cult fulfilled and his earlier actions bit him in the ass.
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>>4513706
I don't know how else we can prevent these greedy nobles from sacking our home aside from selling out or making them terrified of the consequences.
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>>4513541
>Go greet the leech and ask what is the purpose for his surprise visit

>Make sure to close the tunnel entrance behind us. We don't want anyone looking in while we are gone.
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>>4513717
The best way would be to play into their greed.

We have knowledge of tech that could catapult us into ruling an empire. We offer this tech up and basically engrain ourselves under the local primary ruler. Eventually we plot and pull off a coup and take control.
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>>4513717
Because fear is the only way to keep anyone in line, Konrad is proof of that.
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>>4513685
>>4513688

What if they use things like assasins or venom ? Or maybe primitive sorcerers. Then again we should be able to learn of them and the travel in our region seems quite an hardship for anyone. Only a lot of gold would convince someone to come here.

I think we should get a beast as a mount. Plus forge a good armor and whatever weapon we pick. People seems to like the martial arts idea. Maybe we could make a long halberd or some metal fists.
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>>4513730
I suggest we go with a staff. Sun Wukong aside its a very versatile weapon and can be used in a pasifistic sense if required. If we end up going martial arts and wandering master route, we could probably pull off a buddha routine and rapidly gather followers.

Thats if we decide against other methods of seizing power.
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>>4513730
>Three Section Staff
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>>4513730
Metal fists would be siiiick
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>>4513729
Comparing specific, direct threats not to harm our home-village lest hell befall the perpetrators to mutilating and torturing criminals as a planet-spanning legal system doesn't make any sense.

>>4513730
We need to train ourselves as soon as we can. I want to avoid overthrowing the Yan straightaway but if pushed we need to be able to defend ourselves and ten some.
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>>4513730
>not mastering a variety of weapons
Really though a sword would be one of the better options. While the spear is considered the king of weapons, the sword has more technique associated with it and makes better use of our strength.
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>>4513730
guandao/polearm would be sick but metal gloves might work really well with our whole martial arts thing.
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>>4513741
It’s the same principle, better to be feared than loved but it is the worst to be hated.
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>>4513717
We shouldn't go full Conrad, but I agree that the only way to keep the nobles in line (until we overthrow them that is) is make them fear us. They're too greedy not to backstab us at the first chance, and fear of retribution should be a good buffer for the while, at least until they assemble a proper army, which should give us time to assemble one of our own. Or hey, maybe we can go full Cao Cao later on.
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>>4513743
>While the spear is considered the king of weapons, the sword has more technique associated with it and makes better use of our strength.
Polearms will almost always win in a fight against a sword in a battle due to greater reach and power. Swords were sidearms for a reason.
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Calling the vote now

Invite Ling into your home:6
Go see what He wants:12

Going to meet Tax collector Ling to see the reason for his visit wins.

I'll include hiding and turning off the pod anyways, cause Lieren is a clever man

Writing the update now

Also I am just loving all this discussion, its fantastic!
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>>4513745
Filial piety is huge in asia, though, informing Gao that we'll burn the household of anyone that threatens our village is par for the course, if not considered respectable. Though these are hedonists that have gone astray into decadence. They'll see us as a tool unless we show them there are limits we won't cross.
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>>4513749
>reach and power
Bruh. We are a Primarch.
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>>4513733
>>4513734
>>4513744
okay, what if we build a long staff with a glaive/spear head on both ends. with a mechanism that can convert it to a three section staff.
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>>4513743
I think a staff is a bit "not enough' for a primarch so to say. A sword, on the other hand, is already used by too many others.

What about, instead an Chinese polearm? Something like a guandao? It's underrated, it can be flashy and useful, it can be of greater use in a primarch's hands, and it can be strong as shit if made right
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>>4513752
And eldar or other xenos could rival us in ome of these areas. Always consider future enemies.
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>>4513755
That's too many weapon types, it'd make Lieren look like a mall ninja.
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>>4513756
We could go with a staff with an energy blade head (when we get found). That way we can choose to be basic staff or Guando.
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>>4513757
True. I think we need to master as many weapons as we can, and then switch them depending on the situation, like we will with our name. Sword has a much higher skill cap than a spear which is to our advantage though I confess I lean more toward axes and flails. A straight sturdy staff would be good.
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>>4513760
Well, we need an weapon until that, it's going to be a long time until emps arrives.
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>>4513758
I mean it's polearm with a blade at the other end, or a three section staff with a blade at either end, depending on the circumstance. I don't think it's that over the top for a Primarch.
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>>4513763
China and India have a bunch of weird and cool weapons like sword whips, hooked swords, a fucking spade, iron balls, etc.
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>>4513767
They look silly, he'd feel out of place, like he jumped straight from an JRPG from the '90s
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>all this talk about weapons for chinese primarch
>no mention of the meteor hammer
for shame, anons
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>>4513767
>I don't think it's that over the top for a Primarch.
>worrying about being over the top in 40k
Only thing that matters is the rule of cool.
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>>4513772
Kinda mention it with my “iron ball” comment here >>4513770
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>>4513772
The World Eaters already use them
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>>4513770
The chakram is underrated (for a very good reason). Katars are sick, though I'm not sure they're from the same region.

>>4513772
That would be peak aesthetic, I do admit.
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>>4513778
So? We’re a fucking Primarch. We’ll use whatever weapons we damn well please.
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>>4513778
The meteor hammer they use is a straight one-weighted flail, it would be completely different if we used one with two-weights, one on each end.
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>>4513784
It's about originality
>>4513785
The two end design of the meteor hammer's kind of ugly, in all honesty. It doesn't look cool at all.
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>>4513592
Nah, I feel that that's Pert's role. Dude would micromanage his entire legion during a battle, treating them more like servitors than space marines

Perhaps we are meant as a counterpart to Angron. He was meant to be the great uniter between brothers as shown by the War Hounds. We could be the emissary between the superhuman and human
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>>4513791
Rope dart?
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Guys, you're missing the point
>be young, brash primarch
>use spear, the simplest and most direct way to kill people, in line with our direct and efficient way of killing things
>go on rampage because somebody burned our village or something
>look over the carnage
>be horrified
>snap off spearpoint, getting staff in a heavy symbolic moment
>become wise martial arts primarch
I can't be the only person who sees this, right?
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>>4513795
Those are for women.
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>>4513791
>It's about originality
You mean the thing that doesn’t exist.
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>>4513800
Maybe, but now that you've said it loses the surprise impact.
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>>4513800
Nah, we should play politics and use a staff as a symbol of our office, puppet this Gao, and then unite the planet through conquest.
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Honest question. Do any of you know about the four major weapons?
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Quickly, you undo the wires keeping the egg powered, flipping off the switches for extra insurance that its secret will not be discovered and the knowledge within stolen by those who would misuses and abuse it for their own profit and ambitions.

"How troublesome" You say, sighing out the words as you place a hand on the cavern floor and stand to your full height "I shall go welcome him, before he causes any trouble with his disruption"

"He wasn't supposed to visit was he? its still a season or two before the next collection, unless Gao has gotten hungry for the wealth of our blood and tears" Hu says, slurring his words through his mouth half full, a strip of cloth tied over his scraggly hair "Thank you for going to calm him before he started grabbing and taking"

"I doubt that is the reason for his visit, but we must remain on guard, friend Hu" You, say, taking your spear and covering the entrance to your collection of bountiful wisdom with the large stone you had brought down the canyon for such a purpose "For in his pride he may find a reason to claim payment for nothing"

"Like all rich men" Hu says, spitting through the gaps made by his missing teeth, a most disgusting habit of his. And together the two of you left the darkness beneath the cliff of calamity.
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"Ah, Tax collector Ling" You say, spotting the band through the fog, sitting in front of your gate, twenty three figures, not including Ling's magnificent horse "I hope I have not kept you waiting for too long"

"Hunting, were you, Lieren?" the small man asks, fanning the warmth of spring away with his face, his men freezing up as your shadow came into view. Their spears drop when they see you clearly, their resolve failing as you approach them, Hu following behind you.

Ling tuts his tongue, hiding his face with his fan to hide his true expression, though his tone and movements will tell you what he feels anyways.

"I was not aware you'd be visiting our humble village, Ling" You say, locking your gaze onto his eyes, forcing him to look away from the discomfort of facing you head on "Not today, or any time before the change of the seasons"

"Well I did say I wished to speak with you more when we last met, did I not?" He replies, folding his fan with a flick of his wrist, before turning to face the gate "To learn about the wonder of you? However, I have not visited for a fire side chat and sharing of wisdom or"

He sighed, disdain clear in his eyes and speech.

"Philosophy" he said as it the word was a dirty thing and merely speaking it fouled his tongue, before his tone turned genial and reeking of fake kindness once more, sickly sweet and overly polite "Rather, I have come upon the orders of our great lord Gao, to relay his command for you to ride with us to his castle, if you could take leave from your"
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>>4513815
The four most important weapons in the Chinese martial arts are the Dao (one bladed sword), Gun (staff), Qiang (spear), Jian (straight sword). Once you learned these four weapons, you set the foundation for all other weapons in your kung fu training.
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>>4513821

He paused again. Command, it was not a request or invitation, it was an order. Troubling. Hu, brave and bold, stood by your side as you looked over the gather men of Gao. With this many men, Hu's chances of survival in a pitched battle would be far to slim for you to consider starting a fight as anything but a last resort.

"Prosperous home" The tax collector continues, grinning and showing his teeth "as Wise Lord Gao wishes dearly to see the man who has made so much, with nothing, and trained starving farmers to slay eaters of men, like they were common swine. Such is his interest in seeing such a wonderous man as yourself, he has even offered, to alleviate the worries you may feel away from your kin, to station half of these men as their protectors until your return, such is his boundless benevolence"

A knife against your kins' throats most likely, should lord Gao be displeased with you. But, eleven men. With risk of suffering causalities, your village would survive if they tried to slaughter them. Wounded, yes, but they would survive, if they remember the lessons you have taught them

How do you reply, Lieren?
> "Ah this humble hunter is overjoyed at his lord's invitation, we'll leave right away"
> "There is no need for guardians among my people, if you'd remember, Ling, they slaughter Fog Panthers like "Common swine"
> "What does Lord Gao want with me? Obviously he wishes to harness my brilliance or strength, so which is it? tax collector?"
> "And if I refuse his command? will he burn my work and put my family to the sword?"
> Write in?
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>>4513823
Very good. I think I like this anon.
>>4513825
>> "There is no need for guardians among my people, if you'd remember, Ling, they slaughter Fog Panthers like "Common swine"
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>>4513825
>> "There is no need for guardians among my people, if you'd remember, Ling, they slaughter Fog Panthers like "Common swine"
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>>4513825
>Ah, this humble hunter is overjoyed at his lords invitation, we'll leave right away
>While you're preparing, sneakily tell the panthers to put a close eye on the guards at all times
I think we should go, it'd be smart to not cause hostilities yet and also to talk with Gao on peaceful terms
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>>4513825
>> "And if I refuse his command? will he burn my work and put my family to the sword?"
>agree to come and meet with Lord Gao when next they come to collect taxes. we will personally escort next seasons taxes back to the capital
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>>4513831
>>4513832
Is the village ready to be without us, though?
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>>4513835
Read nigga read.
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>>4513825
>> "There is no need for guardians among my people, if you'd remember, Ling, they slaughter Fog Panthers like "Common swine"
I do feel that we are simply making Gao send extra men in response to our soft-threat.
Although if we actually go see Gao, it's possible we can go postal in his court. Talking could work as well since we're a Primarch.
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>>4513833
i support this option, remain diplomatic but make sure our men keep an eye on the soldiers at all times, and be ready for any shenanigans on theyre part
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>>4513825
I'm going to sit out of this vote, multiple options seem equally wise and I have no strong opinion.
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>>4513825
>> "There is no need for guardians among my people, if you'd remember, Ling, they slaughter Fog Panthers like "Common swine"
>>4513835
I don't think we could protect it if we pissed off Gao, better to meet him and establish ourself
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>>4513825
>>> "And if I refuse his command? will he burn my work and put my family to the sword?"
> "There is no need for guardians among my people, if you'd remember, Ling, they slaughter Fog Panthers like "Common swine"
>agree to come and meet with Lord Gao when next they come to collect taxes. we will personally escort next seasons taxes back to the capital
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>>4513825
> "There is no need for guardians among my people, if you'd remember, Ling, they slaughter Fog Panthers like "Common swine
No chance we let them station armed men inside our walls.
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I think we should make the trip as fast as possible unless theres a chance to seize power or something, the information in the pod seems to be the most important atm
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>>4513825
> "There is no need for guardians among my people, if you'd remember, Ling, they slaughter Fog Panthers like "Common swine"

>>4513835
As long as we make it clear that Ling will suffer personally if something happens to the village, I reckon they'll be fine. Maybe we won't refuse the offer, but make it clear that things will go badly if the soldiers start to get ideas.
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>>4513825
> "There is no need for guardians among my people, if you'd remember, Ling, they slaughter Fog Panthers like "Common swine"
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>>4513825
> "There is no need for guardians among my people, if you'd remember, Ling, they slaughter Fog Panthers like "Common swine"

The threat is modest and I think this means we will take out the tax collector. Of course, we could always bribe him into saying we've moved on from the village.
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Does anyone think it would be a good idea to tell him we don't need protection, but accept it anyway, kinda as a flex but also goodwill? As long as we threaten him well enough, the village should be okay, and if he really wanted to destroy it he would have sent more men anyway. Good idea or no?
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Calling the votes now

"There's no need for guards":9
Humbly agree to go:2
Tell the brothers of panthers to keep an eye on the guards:2
"And if I'm refuse?":2
Agree to go along with the next tithe:2

Seems telling Ling your men can protect the village themselves wins
Writing the update
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Raising an open palm, you shake your head, then clap your hands together and bow quickly, before standing tall and proud once again.

"There's no need for guards amongst my people" You say simply, yet unrelenting, using your tone to make it clear you will not allow Gao's men behind your walls while you're away. You fold all but one finger into a fist, and keep the digit pointing in the air before you continued speaking, Ling looking like you had just torn out his heart, fury and dread mixing in his expression. His adam's apple bobbed in his thin, bird like neck.

"If you'd remember, Ling" You continue, with a genial, gentle smile on your lips, motioning to Half Jaw Hu as he stood there stoically, and doing well at hiding the shaking of his hands, standing before so many men armed better than himself, wearing monsterous masks. Though they were probably deeper in the grip of fear than loyal Hu.

"They slaughter Fog Panthers, like "Common swine" You finish, taking the phrase Ling had just used while singing your praises against him.

Ling fans himself, rapidly, clearly trying to find a way to force the soldiers into the village without risking drawing your ire and wrath. You just stand there, as if you were in your home, speaking to your honored father, completely at least and calm. He swallows again, fanning himself faster, his eyes locked on you as if you had were the only living soul standing before him.

"Lord Gao insists the offer be made, this village is after all within his domain and it is his duty to protect the people" He says, trying to force you to accept the presence of dangerous men among your kin, by playing on your manners and humble nature "Surely, while the hunters of this village are well trained in the slaying mere beasts"

Mere beasts, Fog Panthers hunted men, they may be a common predator, but they were no mere beasts. He was trying to convince you they needed protection, as if you did not know the guardians he offered were a far more apparent danger than any other.

"They" He says, no longer fanning himself, narrowing his eyes as he searched for the words, to try and make you see "reason" without becoming angered "There are other dangers in this world, that they have not had to deal with yet, men who may be jealous of their prosperity or the apparent wealth of the village so soon after a time of famine, These men will merely be to act as a deterrent for such, brigands and blackguards"

With a flick of his wrist, he jabs his now closed fan towards you. His arm is shaking, though he must think its hidden by the weight of his hanging robes, identical in color to the one he wore when you first met him. He takes a breath and lets it out slowly.

"While you're away at Lord Gao's court, so you will not have to suffer any unneeded stress over their safety, and can focus on our Lord's Majesty" He says, waving his fan through the air, his other hand curling his long, well groomed beard.
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>>4513968
He flashed his teeth as he grinned, and you resisted the urge to snarl back


"And enjoy the plenty and extravagance of his home, which you may be able to ...freely partake, with permission of course"

He was bribing you with useless frivolities and distractions.

"So, you say my presence is equal to that of eleven of Gao's men, at least? I am honored by the compliment, Tax collector Ling, you really are too kind " You say joyously, as Ling looks like you struck him, he fell into the trap you'd been laying perfectly, now to leave a force would be admitting to your claim and if one of the men spoke to Gao, well you and Ling both knew he would no longer have to worry about pleasing his lord, or anything else. for it would cost him his head.

This plan had come to you when Wenyan had first told you of Lord Gao's disposition, and now you had found the perfect chance to spring it. To admit that men, so well armed and dressed in expensive armor, was equal to one man, even a giant, would be quiet an insult to a man who relies so heavily on his military might for order. And it was not you who made the claim, nor did you accept it as truthful.

You merely thanked the man who had given you such heavy praise, and could Ling trust his Men to back up his word if he claimed otherwise? Especially if you had captured Lord Gao's interest enough for him to invite you, a mere peasant, into his home as a guest?

"You have a point, oh Wise Lieren" Ling says through his teeth, his knuckles pale from gripping his fan and horse's reigns "it would be a waste of man power, really, even most foolish and foolhardy of bandits would know not to trouble a village of Panther killers, But it was merely an offer of more direct and immediate protection, then ARMIES can provide"

Ah, now he's hoping you'll notice his obvious threat and react or bend your knees and relent. How foolish.

"I will thank benevolent lord Gao for his generosity and offer of protection, but as we agree, it is not necessary" You say, clasping your hands together and bowing your head quickly "And these men will have better uses elsewhere, surely"

"Surely" Ling repeats, his voice losing the mock bravado and dignity he had been speaking with "but we ARE to leave for Lord Gao's castle, as he commands, as soon as possible. Lord Gao does not like to be made to waiting"

Well Lieren, what do you do?
>Go along with Ling and his Men, and tell the brothers of panthers to be on high alert while you're gone
> Go, but purposefully impede and slow the journey to the castle, in ways you cannot be blamed for
> Humbly refuse, saying that it would not be right for one as low as you to tarnish a noble's property
> Tell Ling and the men exactly what you would do shall any harm come to your kin while you're gone
> write in?
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>>4513971
>Go along with Ling and his Men, and tell the brothers of panthers to be on high alert while you're gone
> Tell Ling and the men exactly what you would do shall any harm come to your kin while you're gone
I think these two are good. Maybe we can snap a tree or something like someone suggested earlier to make a point?
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>>4513971
>> Humbly refuse, saying that it would not be right for one as low as you to tarnish a noble's property
>>If he comes back at next tithing, we will be happy to escort our taxes back to the capital, and meet with Lord Gao.
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>>4513971
>Go along with Ling and his Men, and tell the brothers of panthers to be on high alert while you're gone
> Tell Ling and the men exactly what you would do shall any harm come to your kin while you're gone

>gesture to a nearby tree
"Witness this outcropping of the celestial court's benevolence. It is nature made manifest, sturdy and powerful- surpassing any other save the stone underfoot and the iron in your hands. Now observe as you will-"
>grip the tree, uproot it from the ground, look onto Ling's face, and snap it over our knee
"Such will be the fate to befall those "brigands" and "blackguards" who would dare defy the reign of our mighty Lord Gao and disturb so much as a hair on these villagers' heads as his humble subject accompanies his noble tax collector to pay his respects."
>toss the ruins to the side
"This I swear under heaven. If we have reached an understanding, I would not wish to waste any more of our mighty Lord Gao's precious time with our negligent slowness."
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>>4513971
>>> Humbly refuse, saying that it would not be right for one as low as you to tarnish a noble's property
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>>4513976
This seems good
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>>4513971
>Go along with Ling and his Men, and tell the brothers of panthers to be on high alert while you're gone
> Tell Ling and the men exactly what you would do shall any harm come to your kin while you're gone
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>>4513971
>Go along with Ling and his Men, and tell the brothers of panthers to be on high alert while you're gone
> Tell Ling and the men exactly what you would do shall any harm come to your kin while you're gone
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Any ideas on how to recruit nobles and peasants to our banner? I was thinking after we shoot the shit with this lord or possibly kill him, we start organizing the pesantry together to organize a revolt. Not soon, but eventually.
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>>4513986
Supporting.
A smile and humble manner belies quite an understanding that while bandits cant hurt our kin, our wrath is great and terrible.
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Wait a minute...

>Superpowerful being coming from an 'egg' of inorganic material
>Strange colored eyes
>General plan to use a staff as a weapon
>Speculation of becoming Buddhist
>Is of the primate family

Are we the Monkey King?
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>>4513986
Supporting this

Should we consider the possibility of taming the predators in the fog as war beasts?
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>>4514066
O H S H I T
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>>4514066
Our name isn’t Wukong or Son Goku, and plans mean nothing really until they are put into practice.
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>>4514066
astral monke legion.
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>>4514125
I actually would like to know what original name fore the second legion would had been.

Will we ever meet our legion?
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>>4513986
Support
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>>4513971
>Humbly Refuse

>Suggest instead that we were never here in the first place. If he does tell Gao we are still here, Ling will be the first to pay the price.
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>>4513986
I think this is an good idea.
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>>4514090
Fine, we have Son Wukong potential energy, then.
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Sorry, fell asleep without an update.
Calling and counting now

Go along with Ling and the Gao:9
Tell them exactly what you'll do if your people are threatened:9
Humbly refuse:3
go next tithing: 1
Suggest you were never here:1

writing the update now

>>4514127
of course you will, what primarch wasn't reunited with their sons?
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>>4514464
That's a moment I'll be looking forward to, primarchs and their legions meeting are usually nice moments.
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Any chance of us becoming the old wise master primarch, who the others come to for sage advice?

Perhaps with a fu manchu?
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>>4514526
We are more likely to be the young monk primarch desu.
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>>4514526
I wonder if it's random which order we're going to be found in and we're operating on a very subtle time limit. That'd be interesting.
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>>4514526
I don't think prinarchs get old like that. We're way too young.
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>>4514542
I believe that the 2nd primarch was found 3rd, so we'll be one of the leaders of the early crusade
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You simply nod in response, hands pressed together as you move your gaze from ling, over his men, into the fog and to a young yet sturdy tree growing not too far from the outermost wall. It is at most a decade or two of age, older than yourself, yet still not reaching anything close to its true potential. Moving your right arm, you gesture to it, the men's eyes following your mighty limb cautiously as if they expect lighting and thunder to flow from your fingers and strike them down.

Ling turns his head as well, seeing the tree you're motioning towards, his eyes narrow, blatant confusion over taking his fear as he glances back to you, wordlessly asking what is the meaning of this seemingly pointless gesture. He finds his answer soon after, as you begin to speak.

"Witness this outcropping of the celestial court's benevolence" You say as Ling nods, not having any clue as for your intent with showing to him what must seem like an ordinary tree, which it is "It is nature made manifest, sturdy and powerful surpassing any other save the stone underfoot and the iron in your hands, now observe as you will.."

With long strides, the fog parts before you, swirls of it dancing in the air as the white immaterial wall breaks against you. Reaching the tree in under five full strides, you wrap your hands around its size, and tightening your grip. The bark cracks and shatters with a snap, the wood beneath compressing beneath your fingers as you take hold of the show of natures great power. As you begin to lift and tear it from the ground, with the ease of which other men would pluck flowers from the ground, the wood of the tree creaks, as if groaning and crying in pain.

One of the soldiers lets out a gasp, as the ground below you crumbles, as you pull the tree from the ground roots and all and hold it in the air, above your head. Twirling it around to be horizontal, and lowering it to your waist, holding it in your arms, you look into Ling's face. He's hiding behind his hand again.

Stepping forward, presenting your knee as you tighten your muscles and harden your stance in preparation for your show of might, so as not to move the barest of an inch against your own inhuman strength. Moving one arm to the top of the tree, you lift it up to your head, and hammer it down against your presented knee. With an almighty snap, it shatters in two, filling the air with splinters.

From the smell in the air, one of Gao's men or Ling himself has soiled themselves out of sheer terror of witnessing your strength with their own eyes.

"Such will be the fate to befall those "Brigands" and "Blackguards" who would dare defy the reign of our mighty lord Gao" You say, not so much as raising your voice, simply speaking humbly in polite tone with your head bowed "And disturb so much as a hair on these villagers' heads as his humble subject accompanies his noble tax collector to pay his respects"
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>>4514554

Tossing the ruin you've made of the tree to the ground, fog swirling and mingling with the dust thrown up into the air from such an action. The sound of the two two halves meeting the ground are akin to a thunderclap, and further break apart the once mighty and sturdy tree. Now it is reduced to mere splinters of wood and dust.

"This I swear under heaven" You say, clasping your hands together as you raise your head "If we have reached an understanding, I would not wish to waste any more of our mighty Lord Gao's precious time with our negligent slowness"

Ling fans himself, eyes nearly closed as he no doubt imagines himself meeting the same fate as the unfortunate tree, torn in two and discarded, forgotten.

"Such a noble soul, such a wise soul, such a humble soul" Ling says, turning to praises again to try and lessen whatever rage may be present within your heart "Truly, it is as you say, only the most foolhardy and mad criminals would dare to the threaten what a man such as yourself treasures and cherishes. to do so would be to court death itself"

"So shall we take our lead and journey to Gao's castle, noble tax collector?" You ask with a genial and kind smile, even though none of Ling's men or ling himself will see it, as they are transfixed by the sight of what had moments ago been a mighty tree "before we spend any more of Lord Gao's valuable time?"

"Yes, yes of course, there is no point in remaining here any longer, if you believe your village does not need the offered protection, it does not need guardians, merely the specter of you alone shall defend it from the evils laying with the veil of the fog" Ling says, turning to you again "let us not delay a moment longer, and begin our journey now"

"As Gao wishes" You say, motioning for Hu to leave your side with a twitch of a finger, but as he does you click your tongue, commanding him to listen further as he walks away.

Raising your clasped hands to your face, your unfurl your fingers, making the sign to stay alert to the hunter, before stretching your arms and acting as if you had merely began to stretch.

"Stay well and whole, Friend Lieren" Hu says with a half filled grin, heading to relay the message to the other brothers of panthers, but not before bowing respectfully

"Stay well and whole, Friend Hu" You return as you march back to gathered soldiers and Ling in their center. Beneath their monstrous, snarling masks, they are terrified of you being close enough to grasp them and tear them in twain as you had done to the tree. But that would be in efficient, just crushing their throats would be far more effective.

You bow to them, they wince back as if you mean to crush them with a butt of your head

"I will follow your lead, Ling, and not step from the path you lay for me" You say gently, rising back to your full height, looking him in the eyes once more
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>>4514557

"Than follow closely, so the fog does not take you and confuse your senses" He says, pulling the reigns of his horse and clicking his fan shut, raising it into the air as he barked to his men


"Five man file march! the extra two shall stay by Lieren's side to defend him from danger, we'll march until nightfall, and then make camp"

The men raise their spears, and split into four files, with two of them breaking off to stand by your side. They're quivering in fear, trying not to meet your eyes.

"Greetings friends" You say with a warm voice and soft tone, greeting them with clasped hands and bowed head as is tradition, they remain still as corpses.

"Unless we are lucky to reach the next village in time!" Ling bellows, his voice sharp and keening, as his horse follows his lead, trotting down the path, the men marching behind it as you follow them, only need to take a step for every three of theirs.
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The journey to Gao castle, was one that reminded You of the state your people had been in when you had joined rhwm . All through the valleys and fields there was much suffering. The villages they came to in their journey were populated solely by men who were but skeletons cloaked in skin, creatures that shied away and hid from the soldiers and himself like beaten children. They dug through the dirt for insects, and ate the grass of the field to merely survive. Tears fell from golden wells, as you saw young children on the verge of starvation.

Yet with no way to help them, all you could do was promise to return to return one day, and remake these people as he had his own kin. And there were villages that had become as graveyards as well. Ss the party camped among the houses of the deceased, You laid the bodies to rest, so they may know peace.

The pace was agonizingly slow, the men had to rest every few hours, if all of them had horses you'd have reached Gao's castle days earlier. And without having to slaw the Fog Panthers that tried to drag some of the men screaming into the night, of which you had encountered three, which were clever enough to strike at night to try and keep from facing their fellow predator among the prey.

But as the journey came to its end, you saw the prosperity and excess of the rich, of the people of towns and merchants, and more than any other the nobility. Bones with plenty of meat and fat still clinging to them tossed to the hounds, Cliffjumpers and swine fed far more than necessary, making them fat and lethargic. Spices and vegetables and fruits taken from distant lands and cooked together. The fine silks, the dainty pottery, the extravagant manors and wasteful use of metal for decoration.

And Ling thought the sights of "true" civilization would amaze and entice you? What a fool he was. To see the rich and noble feasting as the rest of the realm starved, enraged you to a point you had not felt before. While children starved and begged for the mercy of death or a mere grain of rice,
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>>4514529
>>4514542
Imagine how silly it would be if our planet /system was surrounded in a localised warp storm that fucked with time.

We spend 200 years on the planet that's actually only 20 in real time.

Would never happen, but is a silly thought experiment
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>>4514560
they grew fat and lived decadently through the work the families of those same children preformed until the day they fell dead in their fields.

It was sickening.

But, at last, you stood before the might gates of Lord Gao's castle. Lacquered wood painted garish shades of pink, maroon and purple, with an image of entwined dragons set upon it in gold. The walls were stone, topped with Iron shingles cut to a razor edge. Flowers of all sort lined the paved path to the gate from the village beneath the castle's eyes. And among them stood gallows and poles with rotting corpses still strung to them by rope and nails. With the castle grounds, you could hearing laughing, music, smell cooking fat mingling with spices.

"At last, we have arrived at Gao's estate" Ling says, looking exhausted from the journey the men having left you as you arrived at the town below "And now Lieren, you can see the true pleasures life can afford you"

You remain silent. Ah yes, pleasures earned from the suffering of the masses, what a sour taste they'd leave in your mouth.

"Who approaches Benevolent Gao's residence?" A voice shouts from a top the wall, and you see a soldier wearing a grinning mask looking down at you and Ling, words failing him as he sees you

"Ling and Gao's own honored guest, Lieren of nothing" Ling bellows back, producing a slip marked with Gao's seal of two dragons entwined "Open the gate and allow me to inform him myself of our arrival"

A bell is run, and the gate parts open. What you see inside makes you grimace.

Streams of clear water flowering among flower beds and fruit trees, men of high standing relaxing in their shade, fed by women dressed in cloth so thin it hides nothing, musicians playing madly with guards set around them, plates of food half eaten, set here and there upon tables laid about the garden. Servants running here and there, carrying food, cleaning plates and pouring wine as fat old men and women barked at them for more.

Ling nods, twisting his beard with his finger.

"It would appear we have arrived just in time for one of his legendary parties, see there, is Lord Huang Tengfei, and there Lady Luó Biya" He says pointing to guests of the celebration, a fat bald man dressed in robes chewing upon a ripe plum, and a woman dangerously thin, not touching a morsel of food offered to her...food that is then taken away, most likely to be discarded "Ah, Lieren, why not enjoy yourself while I find Lord Gao? But remember your station, wouldn't want a scandal after such a long journey would we"

You remain silent. So much wasted, so inefficient, so decadent, such useless extravagance. Is this the true face of the kingdom of Yan?
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>>4514562

What do you do Lieren?
> Stay at the gate, not moving towards the sights before you
> Explore the courtyard, disgusted by all you see,
> Insist you follow Ling into the castle proper
> go to Lord Tengfei and ask if the plum tastes sweeter knowing that the kingdom starves as he and his peers feast
> write in?
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>>4514564
>> Stay at the gate, not moving towards the sights before you
Watch. Analyze. Are there any strong men here, any good men? Or are all fallen to this evil?
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>>4514564
> Stay at the gate, not moving towards the sights before you
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>>4514564
Let's explore the court yard, no need to cause an commotion yet. Don't partake in any of the hedonism, just learn.
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>>4514564
>Stay at the gate, Watch for good men and contain the building rage. It will make potent fuel for a later date.
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>>4514561
Don't even need a warpstorm to do it. All primarchs got thrown through the warp, and the warm is timefuckery even on the best of days. No reason that we can't have exited the warp 200 years before the time we got thrown into it.
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>>4514564
To defeat your enemy you must first understand them. This party is a political court like any other, we need to watch and figure out the key players, if only to know who we need to eventually kill.

> Stay at the gate, not moving towards the sights before you
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>>4514573
Perhaps we should also take a seat, kneel or meditate as we watch. Standing up will intimidate Guo more than having time to adjust to our size, and it will make him think less of us while we are prostrated, show his true character through.

It also causes less whispers than just standing still.
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>>4514564
> Stay at the gate, not moving towards the sights before you
This is hideous. The sooner we can train ourselves and marshal a fighting force from the peasants the better.
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>>4514580
This is a good idea, let's sit at the gate and not move an inch
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>>4514580
I will second taking a kneeling position.
Even if we arnt bowed itll be respectful and less intimidating.
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>>4514564
> Stay at the gate, not moving towards the sights before you

>>4514566
I agree with this. There must be even a few good men and women here. Let s see if we can see one.

>>4514580
A position that isn t intimidating, it s a good idea.
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>>4514574
200 years is nothing for a primarch, though. If we went back far enough to actually look like an Chinese Sage by the time emps gets here, we'd be in the dark age of technology.
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Actually I have better idea. Let’s offer to train his men, bring prosperity to his lands, and to conquer the world. Then after we’ve assured the loyalty of his soldiers to us, made his peasants indebted to us, and the world is firmly under our control we execute him in front of all the other nobles showing we never did it for him.
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>>4514594
That's dishonorable, so no.
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>>4514595
>honor
>in not!China
???
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>>4514590
Such a primarch could find the emperor later in the timeline and assist the emperor in creating the primarchs, thereby having a hand in his own creation!
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>>4514597
there will be
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>>4514594
I'd rather just be honest with gao about how much we hate him than be dishonest by lying
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>>4514597
Its actually rather important. They just have different views of whats honourable about a few things.
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>>4514597
If you don't want Lieren to end up as Lü Bu, yes.
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>>4514601
No, that's dumb. It's one thing to be dishonest and sneaky, it's another thing to not act like an idiot. We'll talk normally with Gao, see what he wants, and if he's trying to put us in his service we talk about the fact that his lands are going to shit.

Be cordial, until it's no longer feasible to be so.
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>>4514605
I'm simply stating I prefer out right honesty instead of lying and being underhanded.

I'm not actually advocating we go full retard.
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>>4514564
>> go to Lord Tengfei and ask if the plum tastes sweeter knowing that the kingdom starves as he and his peers feast
Protestor Primarch, here to peacefully demonstrate. What are they going to do? Tell us to leave?
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Anybody else getting some serious Slaanesh vibes from the way Gao's managing his lands? I suspect faint corruption has begun to set in.

>>4514597
Honor was very huge in china, they just have a much more societal view of it than euros did.
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>>4514607
If we're going to be blatant instead of biding our time and raising a militia more comparable to an army, I would rather we popped his head like a plum and asked the court.
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>>4514602
You’re talking about “face” aren’t you? Face is not much different than “corporate/brand image” in concept which is why it’s silly to equate it to honor.
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>>4514608
I feel like it's going to be, much like some 30k worlds, kinda going the way of slaneesh with some influence over these rulers, but not straight up tainted to the point where an inquisitor would exterminatus it.
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>>4514610
No, im not.
Face is part and parcel, but honour is really important, especially in getting people to trust you. In this land someone whos actually considerd noble (and has a good story to their name that people spread) will be popular to stupid degrees.
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>>4514564
> Stay at the gate, not moving towards the sights before you
>Stay at the gate, Watch for good men and contain the building rage. It will make potent fuel for a later date.
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>>4514610
Face is not honor, face is a measure of how much honor someone is believed to have. It's be possible to be very honorable and have no face, and have very much face but no honor, and the latter is arguably much more common than the former. I wouldn't call face honor though. It's closer to respect than anything which is seen as a part of honor but the only one.

>>4514611
I think you're right but there's probably a trove of DAoT obscenity lying in wait under the Yan capital. I don't think they'll be pushovers and I wouldn't be surprised if we had to do what we did with the tree to some daemonettes if we're going to unite the peasants under our rule.
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>>4514617
But not the only one
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>>4514566
Supporting this.
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>>4514564
> Stay at the gate, not moving towards the sights before you
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>>4514566
>>4514580
Supporting these
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So the consensus seems to be: Stay by the gate, kneel/sit and watch the party goes to gain information about them.
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>>4514566
>>4514580
+1
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>>4514640
and find men/women of character amongst this rabble of rosy refuse.
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Stay at the gates: 11
Analyze the partygoers: 8
Kneel and meditate: 6
Explore the courtyard:1
Talk to Huang Tengfei: 1

Alright, since Looking through the partygoers for any decent men or women and kneeling/ meditating instead of standing can easily be worked into the "just stand and wait" action.

I'll include them into the update, as at 8 and 6 they're both a little over and under half the votes, by my count.

Writing the update now
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>>4514597
But of course. We are plainly upon a world infested by Chaos, and to truly eliminate its taint, we must show the people a truly virtuous way. Falling to baser urges would merely taint it.

And as a bonus, we can style on the emperor himself and the other primarchs when they have to use hypocrisy to enact their goals.
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>>4514714
>inb4 founding future buddhism and refusing to recant it when pressed is why we're wiped from the histories along with a legion and a half
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>>4514737
But what would the Xangdan have to do with space buddhism?
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>>4514753
Rangdan*
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>>4514737
Well, it was mentioned that what the lost Primarchs did would have shook the very foundation of the Great Crusade, so future space buddhism that legit works against chaos would certainly do that in regards to the Imperial Truth.

Still, imagine such a dude being the one to find Mortarian, Angron, or Lorgar. And say, pointing to the first's xenos father being as they were not due to being a psyker but because they recklessly overindulged, saving some of the second's bros and the buddhism helping calm the nails a bit, and the last getting a nontheistic religion about bettering onesself. Chaos's machinations may not fall away that easily, but they'd certainly have some wildly different fallen selves.
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>>4514766
As hopeful as that may be, i don't know if Lieren is one who'd be able to stop the march towards the precipice.

For most primarchs, by the time they'd realized that Horus had already went full chaos or by the time Magnus was known to have pierced the webway project, it was too late.
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>>4514775
As I said, fall's still very certain. However, the particulars of their actions after their fall may differ and that's the interesting part of the thought.
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It was a sight most hideous, of decadent debauchery and wasteful excess, and flaunting of power and wealth after a time of famine. A feast while the masses starved, to tell themselves they had endured the hardships that still surged through their lands like a storm front, and had come out of such trying times wealthier and fatter. Yet what did they suffer? Behind their gilded walls, fed and warm and secure? What right did they have to celebrate while others still suffered, suffered because of them and their heavy taxes, and the insurmountable pride?

The sights before you, that Ling walked through, joining the living mural of the moral decay and sinful life as easily as a man would breath. With thin fingers, he plucked fat cherries, from plates brimming with more food than it'd take to feed your village for two days, daintily placing it on his tongue before he continue on his way, dutifully marching past the temptations before him. Girls, for that was what most of them were, girls, trying to ply him to lay beside them in slothful arrogance, acquittances calling to him with cups spilling over with colorful blue drink, servants holding plates of fattened suckling swine and fowl so fresh from the grease still bubbled beneath their cracked skin.

Inside of you, your rage roared and screamed to be let out, for you to react as Jackal maddened by its own venom and to destroy all that stood before you. Lord Huang sat, wiping plum juice with a silk sleeve so fine it could be traded to feed your people for a year, staining its pure whiteness purple as he reached for another over ripe plum, the woman holding the basket of them unclothed and bare for the world to see. While just next to him, Lady Luó wasted food, despite having no fat on her body.

So powerful she was that she could afford to starve herself to appease her vanity, with no fear of weakening and dying in her own bed cold and afraid. And there were many others, preforming even more horrendous acts of excess and gluttony. But you did not react, or follow ling, instead you took a step into the castle grounds. The guards of Gao's personal estate wearing cherry pink armor, with smiling masks, and spears with points shaped to resemble flame.

Four of them, with shields at their sides, stood ready at the gate. They looked up to you, and one of them laughed

"Ah I worry for the woman who catches your eye, honored guest" He said, sounding as cheerful as his war mask looked "but please, enjoy yourself, to a guest of Gao, nothing is off limits"

It took a great force of will not to snatch him up by his neck and tear out his throat in a rage at the implications. Instead, with expression dour and joyless, you knelt between them. Clapping your hands together tightly, you held you arms folded against your chest, the tips of your large fingers reaching your chin as you began to focus your breathing to suppress you boiling fury, and condense it into a core deep within yourself.
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Its very unlikely that we can stop the heresy in its entierty, but even a single extra legion/loyalist primarch is enough to shift the balance.

Plus if we can get emps to think a little more on the consequences of his actions we might cut some of the sillyness.
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>>4514780

Each breath you took, you tasted the heavy perfumes on the air, the incense burning, the fat and oils cooking, the spices and juice of half eaten fruits tossed away. These scents mingled and turned sour by the scent of sweat and liquor poisoning the air. You ignore these distraction, taking slow deep breaths. So calm you had made yourself since you swallowed and stored away the rage you felt at what you saw before you, that the beat of your hearts had almost entirely ceased.

Soon the laughter and panicked music faded from your ears, and all that remained was the wind and water running in front of you. it would've seemed to be a trance to all who saw you in such a state, but you were fully aware. And with your golden eyes, that would appear distant and tired to any who looked upon them, you began to pick through the scene in front of you more carefully now, mind unclouded and free of emotion.

You were searching for weakness in the personalities before you, and if any of them were savaged or if all of them had fallen to these evil ways of excess. In a corner of the courtyard, where a man with a wild beard and hair bathed in wine poured on him by a women, howling a laughing as he tried to catch it in his mouth, stood a fellow, older looking, grey hair shaved close with a still black beard cut clean on his face. He looked bored with the whole affair, his single eye looking disdainfully on his companion, a sword scar running from his forehead to his chin.

He was dressed in a simple black robe, and was probably a general of some kind, a good ally to have at hand, especially considering he seemed to despise the sites in front of him nearly as much as yourself. He stood out, so finding him for a conversation later would be no trouble to you.

And there, past a field a revelers watching dances swirl burning silks in the air in a mock battle, sat around a table, was a young woman with jade like skin, long hair tied into a knot, with no decorations on her. She was watching the party as well, with detached disinterest, as the woman around her in fine silks laughed and gossiped. She was a predator like yourself, seeking for the wounded and crippled in the social hierarchy, another useful ally, if you could speak with her. She wore red robes with white accents, simple and thus easy to spot again later.

And there, past the musicians, playing under threat of death, sat an old man, drinking tea he heated himself, staring at the clouds, trying to center his focus and meditate among the chaos and debauchery like yourself. You could see his wisdom in his eyes, for while his face was wrinkled and his limbs withered, his eyes were young and bright, and a light blue, the same as the sky and his robes, he'd also be easy to track down like the other two you had determined to still have hope of being saved from this disgusting life style of opulence.
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>>4514766
What we really need to focus on is asceticism more than anything else.
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>>4514784

You watched and observed, picking apart weaknesses and personalities by the way the noble guests moved and acted, and charting the social hierarchy in your mind. The Lord Huang and Lady Luó seemed to top it, being near equal to Gao considering how the other nobles sucked up to them and tried to entertain them like servants themselves, and the fact they sat upon a raised platform above the rest.

Honored guests, like yourself. This party must've been thrown to gain their favor or allegiance to Gao, beneath Yan. No doubt the famine had weakened Gao's forces and he was seeking aid wherever he could find it. Like a fish caught outside a stream, desperately flopping to return to it. It was likely Gao was afraid of losing favor with the Royal dynasty.

And as you pondered what fate would await a man as great as Lord Gao should he fall out of favour, you saw a peculiar sight. One of his men, a guard, sat by a pond away from the festivities, not at attention, instead with his legs crossed and grinning mask hanging loose around his neck, he counted the fish in the pound, tracing their movements in the air with a spear. He was not mindless like his fellows, he was a thinker. He knew none would dare attack the Lord's castle, and that none of the nobles present would complain of his lack of discipline.

So instead he used the time he had to learn, and he stood then, placing his mask back on as he began to practice his spearman ship. Copying the movements of the carp in front of him, he moved his weapon in a way you had not seen before, gracefully swirling it through the air.

He was a useful one, he may not have the political sway and influence of the young lady in red, or the military might and tactical knowledge of the general, or the quiet wisdom and respect the Old man had, but he had something as useful as any of their capabilities or faces. He was clever, and knew that by watching the world, one may learn.

Yes, there were men you could salvage from this debauchery, they were four in number, a mere handful, but they were worth more than any of the lords or ladies indulging in their depraved desires and hedonistic passions. In the future, they may prove to be useful allies, should you find yourself under attack. The rest could be counted on to do whatever would give them more power, influence, wealth or face, and you were certain that man kneeling before Huang would just as soon drive a knife into his back, or the woman praising Luó would be glad to drown her if it would benefit her.

You let out a breath, the guard in front of you, having come to check if you were still alive falling on his back in shock. You smiled and continued meditating, picking apart the scene before you for useful information and any virtuous souls you may have missed in your first glance over the courtyard.
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>>4514786

"Liereng! what are you, some mountain dwelling hermit? Did I not say you could enjoy yourself!?" Ling says, seemingly confused by the fact you were not taken by the maddening opulence and extravagance sights before you and became trapped in the spell like so many others "Most farmers would kill for the merest morsel from Lord Gao's party, let alone to be allowed to attend one as an honored guest!"

You glanced up at the small, and let out another breath. He didn't realize they would kill for it because they were starving and would eat bones if they were offered. He was still in his uniform of his office, wide brimmed hat cast a shadow of him as he stood before you, looking up at you

"Have you informed Lord Gao of my presence?" You ask genially, looking down at the short tax collector with a serene smile

"Yes, and he ordered me to tear you away from the festivities, but I see now that was no necessary.. bah, sitting here like some monk, when all the earthly pleasures the world holds lay before you" he ranted, smacking his fan into his open palm "Ready for the taking like a ripe peach, you are a strange man, Liereng"

Well, Liereng, what do you do now?
> Follow Ling to meet Gao, trying to hide your contempt for all around you
> Ask for the name of the four virtuous souls you spotted
> Ask Ling what he sees from where you sit
> Tell him you will go see Gao, after you've finished meditating
> Write in?
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>>4514791
Slaanesh Cult Much?
>Walk with him to Gao, but eye what is available. We might need flames to remove this blight.
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>>4514791
> Ask for the name of the four virtuous souls you spotted
One of them seemed to be a martial artist.
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> Humbly state that you are unused to an event such as this and you did not wish to embaress Gao by overindulging and committing a social faux paus by mistake.
> Follow Ling to meet Gao, trying to hide your contempt for all around you
> Ask for the name of the four virtuous souls you spotted
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>>4514791
> Follow Ling to meet Gao, trying to hide your contempt for all around you
Eat the hate, channel it into righteous calm.
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>>4514801
*embarass Gao by an honored guest of his overindulging and committing a social faux paus
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>>4514791
>What can you see, tax collector?
>Who are those four souls, who seem otherwise preoccupied?
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>>4514791
> Ask Ling what he sees from where you sit
This sounds like some real philosophy shit, even if we're not going to be old, this sage-type talking is pretty cool.
> Follow Ling to meet Gao, trying to hide your contempt for all around you
> Ask for the name of the four virtuous souls you spotted
After we ask him the question, follow him and while we're walking ask about the four.
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>>4514811
Yeah, it's also of some benefit to know what the tax collector looks at and sees when he states at the party, who he watches and what he ignores.
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>>4514811
This is a very good question to ask, we should see what he thinks of it and get a glimpse into the minds of the nobles and their servants.
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>>4514811
Philosophy is a major part of Kung Fu. Whether you fight or not, run or not, take an attack head on or dodge, strike to kill or disable all come down to philosophy which is what a lot of people don’t understand about martial arts. It’s not just fighting techniques but an entire way of thinking.
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>>4514801
I think you're going way too hard in on the "appearing humble" thing, we don't need to act like that.
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>>4514791
>> Follow Ling to meet Gao, trying to hide your contempt for all around you
>> Ask for the name of the four virtuous souls you spotted
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>>4514791
> Follow Ling to meet Gao, trying to hide your contempt for all around you
> Ask for the name of the four virtuous souls you spotted
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>>4514811
This honestly is what we should though
>>4514791
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>>4514811
Eh ill support it. I doubt hes going to say much of interest though, dudes got some real distain for philosophy.

Note: When asking for names, dont ask for the guards one. We should meet them without letting his boss's know, so theres not too much attention on him (hede make a good target to fuck with us later on, best not to let on).
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>>4514833
Wise. The rest of us could be excused as individuals of prestige. but a guard is merely suspicious.
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>>4514833
A fair point.
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>>4514811
Yeah, I'll switch to this as well.
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>>4514833
Yeah, that's actually smart. If we were to mention him, there's no doubt there'd be some light cast on him, and that's not what we want when it comes to a random guard.
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>>4514811
Support
(this is 100% going to devolve into chaos fuckery)
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>>4514833
Support
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>>4514811
support
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>>4514791
Backing this >>4514811
>>4514833
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>>4514796
It would explain all the pink. Likewise, the man in black is likely a Malal cultist esp with the scar bisecting his face. The woman in red Khorne and the wise man in blue is Tzeentch. All that leaves is Nurgle, who I suspect will likely be among those monks Ling was talking about, after all the Buddhist respect for all life could very easily become very Nurgley very quickly.
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>>4514811
support sans asking about the soldier's name to not put him in trouble.
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>>4514920
Welp, there goes the wise men. We are on a Chaos Planet.
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>>4514923
That's news? I've been pretty sure we've been on one since the 8 rulers thing in the planet description.

>>4514920
Eh...they have respect for life, but Nurgle likes the cycle of Life and Death that Buddhists want to break out of. Course, could be a corrupted version.
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>>4514920
>>4514923
I would not jump to conclusions but even if they are we could use them to our advantage. Remember Chaos is self-defeating and we can pit them against each other then strike the finishing blow.
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I wonder if the speed with which Lieren was able to find some good people among the degenerates and his whole "meditate so all outer stuff goes away" has something to do with his specialization as a primarch
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>>4514920
>>4514923

Like someone else said, let s not just jump on conclusions. Afterall in the quest start, our pod was un noticed. And primarchs for most of their lives didn t deal a lot with chaos influence or presences. With some exceptions of course, but we can say that before the main events in their lives that would have lead to the Horus Heresy they wheren t so much under pressure.

Chaos is also less present in the materium in general.
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Calling the vote and counting
Walk with Ling:13
Ask Ling what he sees:11
Ask about the virtuous souls:13
Humbly make an excuse 1

I'll include asking ling what he sees, as most of the votes were a combination of that and going with him and about the four Lieren deemed as salvageable

So Lieren will ask Ling what he sees in the party, about the four Virtuous Guests and go to meet gao.


writing the update
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>>4514944
Some people have theorized that the planet choice was to determine our specialization and this planet would make us anti-immaterium focused.
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>>4514959
I really doubt it's hard locked in though at least hopefully not
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I think we can redeem Ling. I wonder how many others we can redeem.
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so, we can probably easily tear this slaneshi fat ass in half and probably solo his guards and guests, but I say we try tricking him to suicide somehow.
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>>4514971
Not yet.

We have things to deal back home, we have to improve nothing so that the farms are able to sustain them and our warriors are using actual steel.
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>>4514977
I think our priority for now should be getting as much autonomy for our village and the surrounding areas so we can further study the pod and build up our own powerbase, perhaps getting ourselves installed as Lord of the area or something. We should then long term plan to eventually remove Gao, maybe replacing him with one of these virtuous souls we've noticed so we can then move onto the rest of the country/world.
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I can already see the dumbshit our legion could get up to
Months of group meditation to astral project and read the movements and plans of chaos forces and armies, assuming our genesons inherit this feat
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>>4514987
we can probably offer to shore up his other villages in return for home autonomy, it'll give us the inroads around his lands to eventually supplant him and the powerbase to deal with the rest of the worlds likely as decadent nobles
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"Ling, tell me what you see from where I sit, what you see before you" You ask, not yet rising to your feet, as the tax collector shoots you a look of confusion, his furrowing his brow and lifting his upper lip as if an unpleasant smell had suddenly wafted past him.

"What I see?" He asks, curling his long bear with one of his thin fingers, turning around and glancing around the party, as the sounds of debauched celebration reaches you ears once more, as you curl your lip in disgust at the sight you've been analyzing since Ling had left you "Do you think I am going blind, Hunter? What I see is the result of Lord Gao's endless generosity and benevolence, the rewards to his loyal servants and honored peers! What I see is the bounty you could share. Far from the toils of the fields and bloodshed of war, what I see is a clear sign of prosperity and its fruits. And, Lieren, I see it, sitting before you"

He unfurled his fan, the breeze he makes by fanning washing over your face as you look upon the scene, trying to see it from his perspective. It could be seen that way, if one had not seen what such a rewards had cost the people of Gao's lands. And the horrid, disgusting excess of it all, the wastefulness. It was a sign of wealth built upon the backs others, a feast taken from the hands of others, prosperity grown from seeds of suffering sown. Ling had not lived amongst those who had starved and suffered and were still made to pay outrageous taxes. He could not see the truth before his eyes.

He was blind, his mind clouded with greed and ambition, that he did not see the corpses surrounding the mountain he wished to scale. It was saddening, in some ways. Thumbing your chin, you nod, waiting for him to finish his speech.

"Like the ripest of fruit upon a branch, unplucked by a starving man" He hisses, grimmacing "do you think I am supposed to see something beneath it? This, in part, is a reward from Gao, to the magnificent Lieren, who took nothing and turned it into jade, a rest from home, in a palace, a palace that LORD YAN HIMSELF HAD PRAISED! All the delights, all the pleasures, a gift in exchange for bleeding hands, recognition for wisdom and strength of character, and you sit here, acting like one of those monks in the mountains who scorn anything that can be enjoyed"

He laughs and shakes his head, still fanning himself as you stand behind him. Your shadow falling upon him. Rage flashed through the serene lake of your mind, How easy it'd be to wrench the head from his shoulders, none of the guards beside the two of you could stop you before Tax collector Ling met a painful end at your hands. But that would be wasteful, he had uses still and you had come too far to dash all the progress you made into the fires of pride.

So you ignored the insulting words, the tone, the laughing and kept smiling.

"My Friend" He said, chuckling between his words "I am beginning to think you have no eyes to see"
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>>4515010

How easy it'd to kill him. How easy. but the easy path is not always the best.


"I see, I see, so that's what you see" You reply, to keep yourself from lecturing him on the truth your golden eyes saw "Well, let us not waste any more of generous Lord Gao's time"

"Yes, lets not waste time discussing empty philosophy and world views, it'll sour the tongue" Ling says with a nod, looking back, unaware of how close he came to causing his own death with his words "Among such sweeetness"

You follow him along the brick path, ignoring the "temptations" around you, the barely clothed and entirely unclothed women, food finer than you had ever tasted, music and revelry alike. to your eyes, and to at least four other pairs, it was a disgusting display indeed. Though as you walk past the noble guests, they turn away, pausing their hedonism to marvel at you, gossiping and admiring your body, beneath the furs and leathers you wear.

You catch the eyes of the general and Lady in red among them, not watching with awe or delight, but a cold study, the general no doubt searching for the threat you pose, and the lady figuring out how to use you as a weapon upon her rivals. You smirk

"Tell me, Ling, I am curious about some of the guests here" You say, leaning down to talk into his ear "their names and positions, to be exact"

"Oh so the hunting Monk can see" He says, flashing a grin, no doubt over joyed at you revealing the merest hint of the same duplicity that lay within his own heart "Tell me...who has caught your interest, among these noble existences"

You glance to the lady in red and the general, letting them know you've noticed their interest in you. You'll not mention the guard, to keep him safe, for otherwise Ling may tell Gao of his shirking of duties, and you would not consign an innocent man to such a fate.

"Three have, that scarred man in black" You say, the general smiling almost proudly as you spoke of him "The young woman in red, and one other"

"Oh you have quite the eye for glory, my friend Lieren" Ling says, smiling with a shifty look in his eyes "You speak of the Unbroken Thunder's howl, The black general, Lei of house Yin, A third son who has earned glory time and time again upon the field of war, the hero of the bleeding plains, the crusher of the Dai revolt, and scourge of bandits and Vishnu alike, Even in his old age he continues to serve Gao and Yan as a loyal soldier...and tell no one, but I think he's a bit uptight, myself"

You nod, so, you were right in your read of the man. No doubt he'd ask of you himself soon, you turned your eyes to the young woman in red, who was still studying you closely, like a panther in the fog.

"And also, you have fine tastes in women" Ling says quietly, looking over the red woman as well "Qian Xia, a flower above all other flowers, a young woman so beautiful it is said the heavens wept at her birth"
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>>4515013
"She is the head of her family, the Qian and a minor lord in her own right, having taken power after the untimely death of all her male relatives"


Deaths caused by her own hand no doubt, or hands of those whose strings she herself holds.

"Many men seek her favor, so their children may inherit her lands, why just last year, two lords fought to the death for her hand, both of them meeting their ends at the others blade, a dangerous flower to covet indeed, I'd watch my back if I were you, Lieren" Ling continues, never raising his voice above a whisper before he asked you "And who is the third, my wise hunter?"

"The old man beneath the fruit tree, drinking tea alone" You say as Ling laughs, as he leads you up the steps leading into the castle proper, the grinning guards kneeling before you as you approach...the steps are too small for you.

"Oh that old fool? he spends more of his time among birds then men, he's one of those who seeks to find answers in a meaningless world" Ling says as if the man's seeking wisdom in nature is a hilarious joke "And peddles his wisdom to any who will listen, the name of that joke is Guozhi, an old Scholar who many claim is blessed with divine knowledge, but it must be apparent he is merely a senile own man"

More proof of Ling's blind ignorance but you had expected such when you asked of one who seemed so contemplative.

"I see, I see" You say once more, as you enter the castles hall, doors laid open before you, and before you, you saw the furs of panthers covering the floor, a grand display of wealth. And wasteful, they'd keep many men warm through the winter and here they are, warming only soles. Despicable, an insult to the panthers who once wore those furs.

The walls of this fortress turned manor are covered in art work, depicting scenes of battle and visions far more lurid. A silent servant, dressed in light pink silk, leads you and Ling deeper into the castles halls. Guards are stationed along every portion of the castle, their masks smiling empty smile. Their eyes follow you as you reach a door deep within the heart of the castle, twin dragons entwined in gold upon it, torches burning outside of it.

The guards stop Ling.

"Lord Gao will only see the farmer, Lieren" they say in unison, their war masks madly grinning as Ling looks offended before following to his knees, prostrating himself before them.

"Forgive this ones impudence, this humble tax collector shall take his leave!" He yells, slamming his head on the ground, the symbol of his office flying from his head, revealing his rapidly shrinking hair line. The guards uncross their spear and look to you.

"Proceed at once, Farmer Lieren" The bark, as you clasp your hands together and bow quickly, before ducking into the room.


It reeks of incense and perfume, and is filled with more smoke than the fog outside.
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>>4515016
There are cushions made of Fog panther fur sat around a fire pit set in the center of this great hall, statues of men with raised swords lining the wall, sconces of flames lighting every inch of the room.


And looking over the room, upon a throne of stone and black iron, sits a man who can Only be Lord Gao. His beard is red hued, and split into two points, greying along the edges, his hair flowing down his shoulders and tied into braids to control it. He is clothed in fine silks, pink, maroon and purple, in the order of their presences within the out fit, twin dragons weaved into the sleeves of his attire. There are pearled sewn into the edges of his sleeves and the end of his robe. Upon his head sits a towering hat, marked with the symbol of his family's name "Gao". He's chewing on something, that blackens his teeth.

He sits in his thrown, two plump women at his sides fanning him as he rests his head against his fist. Raising the arm upon his thrones arm and points at you, not changing his posture.

"Sit" He says as you keep your back bowed before taking your seat, one of the cushions far to small for you to fit upon. And before you raise your head to look upon him again, you spot fragments of bone within the ashes of the pit in front of you.

He looks up up and down, still chewing as he studies your appearance, no doubt seeking to separate hearsay from reality. then he smiles, seemingly pleased with what you present.

"You must be, the wise farmer Lieren, the strong hunter Lieren, a giant among my people, who I have never so much as heard whispers off" He says with a soft voice like a summer's breeze "I see the fool Ling was not exaggerating in the slightest, what a specimen you are...unrivaled under the heavens in terms of stature and might, how right he was. At last I meet the man who has taken one of the most valueless portions of my wealth, and turned into it something as valuable as Jade...impressive, most impressive indeed"

He spat into a bowl by his throw, black oil coating his lips before one of the women wiped it for him.

"Tell me, Lieren, how have you enjoyed the party? I figured your arrival should have something" He said pausing to find the word, opening his mouth for one of the women to place a black pill upon his tongue, which he began to chew "commemorate it, as it is not often one finds something as wonderous as you in his garden"

How do you respond, Lieren?
> Tell him the truth
> Avoid the question and ask why he called you hear
> With vagaries, sing praises of the celebration, while condemning it at the same time
> "Men have burned in that pit, why?"
> Write in?
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>>4515020
>> "Men have burned in that pit, why?"
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>>4515020
>> Tell him the truth
>I find luxury sweeter than honey if I had a hand in its making, and sourer than vinegar if I didn't.
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>>4515027
Support
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>>4515020
> With vagaries, sing praises of the celebration, while condemning it at the same time

Best to keep a neutral tone until we've sounded out the others and planned to replace him. This meeting with Gao seems to be little more than a formality, him and most his court are rotten to the bone.
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>>4515020
>And I would have be spreading that prosperity across your lands if you had not interupted my work. Let’s not waste our time on trival topics.
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>>4515020
>Write in?
"Gracious Lord Gao, you have taken me into your home, offered me food and luxury, but I simply can not partake. When I was traveling to your palace, I saw villages much like my own, patches of nothing where children starved, men lived as nothing but bones and rags huddled in hovels, fields going to waste and beasts left to rule. Lord Gao, these sights have made all sour in my mouth, and it is for that reason I beseech you: let me make jade from nothing again, let me act as your steward in the lands surrounding my village, so I may provide you with the grain, gold, and men that a lord of your might and virtue deserves."
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>>4515020

> With vagaries, sing praises of the celebration, while condemning it at the same time
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>>4515020
> With vagaries, sing praises of the celebration, while condemning it at the same time
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You know I fond it funny how Ling dismisses Guozhi after saying we have a good eye. It seems he’s a little dull and dim compared to Lieren who is far too aware.
Ignorance is truly bliss.
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>>4515020
This one works, >>4515027
nut if that looses
> With vagaries, sing praises of the celebration, while condemning it at the same time
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>>4515020
>Tell him the truth

>>4515027
This
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>>4515020
>>Tell him the truth
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>>4514784
>young woman with jade like skin
>She wore red robes with white accents
My first instinct was that she's a tech priest that'd replaced her skin with jade scales. Turns out jade can be yellow. Still someone to check out, not being corrupted by this hedonism
>>4514811
supporting
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>>4515098
I always imagined jade was green but you learn something new every day I suppose.

But a tech priest on a feudal world undiscovered by the Imperium tho?
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>>4515116
eh, 40k plays fast and loose with tech levels. Some nearby forgeworld providing scrap steel armor and weapons to savages in exchange for massive amounts of grain wouldn't be surprising
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>>4515124
But during the opening years of the great crusade? I mean I don't even think the mechanicus is that far out at this point probably just mars and a few other forge worlds in the surrounding star systems.
Assuming we're not right next door to Sol
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>>4515116
>>4515124
Tech levels are closer to tech-suggestions and that goes triple in the Age of Strife. It would not surprise me if the Yan dynasty and their personal forces were on par with the 41st millennia if not further.
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>>4515043
This. It is truth, but in a way that would catch him completely offguard.
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>>4515131
There were forge worlds scattered across the galaxy, some of them agreed to bend the knee and others backed Horus. Stygies VIII is the most immaculate example of the Omnissiah's binaric glory, par none. The fucking Thallaxi are beyond the pale.
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>>4515131
A lot of forgeworlds were already established, complete with the cult, before the great crusade and were simply brought into compliance.

Hell, most knight worlds that are affliated with the mechanicus had a nearby forgeworld during the age of strife who provided the knights in exchange for food and materials
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>>4515116
>I always imagined jade was green
jade comes in a few different colors, though green is the most common one.
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>Stygies VII
You dare impugn the honor of Ryza? The might of the Imperium depends on the thrice-blessed beating hearts of plasma made by the glorious forgeworld of Ryza, not some xeno-lovers
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>>4515148
Xeno-lovers? You miserable sack of self-loathing and scrapcode, you dare impinge the innovative prowess of the Imperium's greatest forge world, Stygies VIII?
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>>4515148
>>4515153
You are both wrong. Jupiter is the greatest of forge worlds.
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>>4515153
Ha! As if you can speak of scrap code, when Ryza remains the purest of all the Omnissiah's servants. How are the Legios Vulcanum doing, still off in the eye of terror with their heretek masters?
>>4515157
Bah, your plasma drives are cold and corroded even as they leave drydock
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>>4515020
> With vagaries, sing praises of the celebration, while condemning it at the same time

Best option for now. Though you guys are having your fun complaining about Forge Worlds we all know they bow to Mars. Thus, in the terms of the machine heart, that is the case.

Also, its obvious the girl is of this world and is not the Tech-Priest. If she was there likely would be no lineage to think of since most priest remove their dicks with a cyber-dong.

But really, most Tech Priest from my knowledge are raised from the lower classes on forgeworlds as the Priest themselves are basically immortal for all intents and purposes.
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>>4515098
she might be a mutant if that isn't some form of gene editing or odd cybernetic. though we should keep looking for scaled people, might be an abhuman strain.
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Men burned in this pit:1
Tell the truth: 6
Vagaries and damming praise:5
Would've been spreading posterity:1
The HARD truth sweetened:2
Honey and vinegar: 4

Alright, telling him the truth won, but since most of the "tell the truth" Votes included the vinegar and honey line, I'll throw it it in. Cause why not.
Writing the update now
Also, curious, which of the "four virtuous souls" do you have the highest hopes for?

Yin Lei, Qian Xia, Guozhi, or the guard?
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>>4515176
None, they are all Chaos Cultist. If they are willing to watch all this happen without disgust there is something wrong.
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>>4515176
Yin Lei, I feel he's the type of man that's earned everything he has and would turncoat the instant it seemed we'd build a strong new order.
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currently i think the guard has massive potential, the others are basically knowledge and help taking over the world,especially since i dont really see any of them joining us when papa emps shows up and we go off galivanting in the great crusade, all except the gurad, who along with some of the hunters we trained, may get the Luther treatment and join us, not as astartes but as super heavily augmented dudes
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>>4515180
so long as he doesn't give us the Luther treatment
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You had to choose your words carefully, less you incite Lord Gao's wrath. Not that you feared it, he could try to bring you to heel and torturer or execute you for impudence and wounding his pride. But to do so would bring greater ruin to your future. You did not know how many men loyal to Gao were guarding his castle this day, and how many would come after hearing of his death. Nor did you know what hell the Yan as a whole would bring if one of their favored sons was deprived of his head. It would be satisfying, but only in the moment.

The only sorrow would come, You closed your eyes slowly taking a breath, tasting the heavy scent of the incense and wood smoke filling the room, as picked through your expansive vocabulary for the right words to speak. To tell the truth without inciting Gao's ire, for you could not stomach doing anything but telling him the truth of how you felt. As foolish as it was, after what he had done to your kin, forcing them back to their farms, among the ghosts of their dearly departed, forcing them to live in ruins and devastation.

And he had gall to ask them for a heavier tithe. It was difficult, to find the words to speak to such a man, to lay bare the truth burning in your soul, while keeping him calm and content upon his throne. It was akin to swallowing poison, but it was something you had to do, lest you foul yourself with false praises and kindness, or damn all you know with shouts and fury. But, after a few seconds of thought, you found a wording that would, to a wise listener, reveal your contempt for him and all he had built, but to a prideful fool would seem merely to be plain ambition.

And you knew which one of the two Gao was, you could tell by the disdainful glimmer in his eyes, the false smile and greed surrounding him. He'd never look into the deeper meaning of your words, lest you openly insulted him. By sweetening your tone and keeping him feeling in power, the true feelings behind what you speak would be forever lost to him. Like the true face of his festivities was lost to his servant, Ling.

Birds of a feather, flock together, as they say.

"I find luxury sweeter than honey if I had a hand in its making" You say, letting our your breath as Gao grinned a blackened grin, the face of a serpent about to strike "And sourer than vinegar if I didn't"

If he had known you personally, he'd know immediately what you meant. That the luxury you spoke of, and the luxury he held, were two very different things, despite being so similar at their core. Two kinds of comfort, that which men deserved and that which the road to decadence and excess lay.
But Lord Gao did not know Lieren, the great hunter of the wilds, Wenyan's son. He knew Lieren, the instrument and tool, that he had no doubt dreamt of using since he heard of you existence.

"Aaaah, a man of ambition, I like that, we are cut of the same cloth, you and I" He said, black oil flowing over his lips, down his chin and dirtying his beard
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>>4515180
I agree. The others are interesting, but there's always something to be seen in people who are at the very bottom of the totem pole and yet still persevere.
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>>4515209

"I believe, we shall have a wonderful relationship, You and I, Lieren" He said, speaking in soft, soothing tones, never raising his voice or speaking harshly. The voice of a sadist.

"But it is a waste, for a man of your supposed talents to waste away in slum, in a forgotten corner of the great kingdom of Yan, your wisdom, strength and talents all wasted upon simple farmers" He continued, cooing to you still, leaning closer, the oil from his mouth gathering in drops on the hairs of his beard.

"Why, its a travesty, a tragic tragedy for you to be born so low, yet be blessed to soar so high, for your wings of glory to be clipped by the shears of destiny so cruelly, it is a calamity" He said, words like honey but intent like poison, raising from his throne, licking his lips of the foul black substance, before smacking them "Surely, you must see how your wisdom is wasted, your inborn power pointless, and your talents tarnished, from your position within the world"

You focused your building rage and disgust inwards, forcing yourself to continue smiling as nothing but filth and trash left Gao's mouth, fouler than even the pills he chewed upon.

"So, in my bountiful benevolence, as befitting a being of my birth, boy, I will bless you with an offer beneficial to both you and I, should you be bold enough to bear it" He says, stepping down the stairs leading up to his throne, hands hidden in the sleeves of his robes.

There was an old log in the fire pit before you. You may not be able to reach Gao before he screamed if you merely rushed for his throat to pinch the life from him, but, with a blunt instrument, you could crush his skull before he could, and do it silently. But you did not act upon these impulses.

"Be my man, work besides me, for mutual benefit" He says confidently, despite standing in front of a giant with golden eyes and hair seemingly spun of iron "but be aware, because I shall not offer you this blessing again, a bargain I will bestow, so you may behold my blinding benefaction as I beckon you to my side"

So he was trying to find the price for your loyalty then? Buying your service at his side?

"So, what, will it take, for me to have you work beneath me?" Lord Gao asks, his voice turning cold and harsh as his eyes narrow, as if he's trying to peer into your heart "any reward is within your grasp, position, fame, glory, wealth, women, food, land, title. Tell me, Giant from nothing, what is your hearts desire"

How do you answer, Lieren?
>Refuse, utterly, nothing he can offer is something you'd desire.
>Prosperity for my people, and all people of Yan, of All Shangrala!
>Efficiency, equality, the end of exploitation everlasting, Education for every man and the extinction of men of extravagance
> Nothing.
>Write in
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>>4515212
>Efficiency, equality, the end of exploitation everlasting, Education for every man and the extinction of men of extravagance

He asked the price. May as well tell him what it would be.
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>>4515212
>nothing
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>>4515219
Actually, include
>Prosperity for my people, and all people of Yan, of All Shangrala!

In it as the sum total of the price.
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>>4515212
>Prosperity for my people and all of yan.
>The end of exploitation of those same people.
>I have done this, it is easily possible to spread and multiply the blessings of heaven that even the lowest farmer could eat as well or as much as your guests. This is what I want, lord Guo.
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>>4515212
>Prosperity for my people, and all people of Yan, of All Shangrala!

I would go for the other one, but 'extinction of men of extravagance' could very easily be taken as a not so veiled insult against him. We can just have that as the general goal in mind for when we get rid of him. We still need to keep him on our side, at least until we find a suitable replacement.
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>>4515219
>>4515221
Supporting
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>>4515212
>Write in
Any and all tutors I ask for, but give me the time and resources to improves the lives of those who work the farms. If the farms improve, you will reap more riches.

This has two benefits. We'll be able to immediately save the dying villagers, in addition to earning their loyalty for "when/if" we commit a revolt, and we get access to martial arts tutors like how some anons wanted.
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>>4515212
>Prosperity for my people, and all people of Yan, of All Shangrala!
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>>4515225
if we added a line like "we want prosperity for our people...and so do you" then we could play on his desire for a repeat preformance of our village, and with his blessing keep turning more and more of the villages into productive wonders like ours. Like a manager advisor, going in to fix the problems and boost productivity. We'd also be able to network effectively with Gao's blessing while the fuckin' idiot is blind to the threat of a united peasant front with blackpowder.
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>>4515219
>>4515222
Going for "end poverty and suffering" seems like it would be too foreign of a concept to this guy, not to mention hes a sadist. He enjoys the suffering of the lower class. That's my hot take.
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>>4515232
Oh yeah, it's probably completely foreign, but put in terms he understands, he would jump at the chance because if he followed through with our desire, he'd be the wealthiest lord under Yan and thus gain immense favour that wouldn't easily vanish. Being a lords most powerful underling is quite a coveted position for one such as him.
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>>4515231
>We'd also be able to network effectively with Gao's blessing while the fuckin' idiot is blind to the threat of a united peasant front with blackpowder.
This. This I like. So long as we get to go around and unfuck the starved masses, I support this.

After we're done here, we should head back home and cave in the entrance to our pod. As a precaution in case someone comes snooping.
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>>4515243
We put a big boulder in the way, christ like. They shouldn't be able to see through it.
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>>4515239
Yeah, so long as we play up to his greed we can hopefully trump his sadistic tendencies and get a blank check to do whatever we want. Although, we might want to replace him soon now that we've seen how horrid he is, I don't think we want him around for any longer than necessary.
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>>4515212
he clearly gets off on controlling people, so
>Prosperity for my people, and all people of Yan, of All Shangrala!
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>>4515250
He'd fall to Slaanesh as quickly as blink, using his greed to our advantage is a clear route to conquest.
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>>4515250
Oh hell no. FUUUUUCK this man. As soon as we have a firm base from which to launch our revolt, we will do so and oust him from our rightful residence which should only take a few years to turn the villages around.
Replace his decadence with the 8 virtues of Compassion, restraint, self discipline, honour, mercy, charity, loyalty and wisdom [to be worked upon] and then spread our wisdom across Yan.

The woman and the general may be of some use to this end. We'll have to see about it, but the general is the most useful in the immediate use, while the woman could be of help once we seize power.
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>>4515263
I'm thinking a peasant revolt should be our backup option, as long as we replace Gao with someone who won't go full Chaos on us we can work on improving things that much quicker. From there we can pull an Emperor, work on securing and industrialising the area under our control (using the knowledge from the pod) before conquering the entire planet with our army of warrior monks.
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>>4515286
From whence do you think our monks shall come?

Besides, replacing Gao won't curb the other nobles excesses. They must be put to the sword and the system renewed, because there are probably SEVERAL daemons born from this household alone.
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>>4515290
Maybe a tenth of a daemonette. It takes a fuckton of emotion to get a daemon, the reason they're a limitless swarm is mostly scale.
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>>4515292
Given how long I think we can say this fuckery has been going on, say 20 years, with each year at least having a party like this, I'm quite confident saying that they have at least spawned 3. The debautchery is one thing, but consider the children they keep bringing in to diddle and the emotional pain/shock of their first time, that's gonna give each party a spicy kick.
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>>4515297
Very true, not to mention the peasants that are no-doubt starved to grow the tobacco equivalent for the aristocracy. That's an obscene amount of excess.
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>>4515299
didn't even consider them. So yeah, put it all to the sword and wipe the slate clean.

The useful and relatively virtuous survive, but even they are gonna have to cut back on their lavish lifestyles under us. Because god fucking damnit, we are making this a moral and good society, weather they like it or not.
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Here's something else to ponder, suppose the emperor comes to us in the guise of the stranger.

What'd we test him on? Displaying the crowning principles of whatever morality we have imposed over the planet?
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>>4515312
We won't really know until he gets here. It's the Emperor.
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>>4515312
>Mention the eightfold path, a great ideal based on an evidently cosmic truth
>He starts sweating
in all honesty we should try feats of acrobatics and discussions on morality.
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>>4515316
This, he could come as a random stranger with a question or an all-conquering deity at the head of an armada, it's impossible to know.
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>>4515316
I know we won't know, but if he follows his modus operandi of the stranger, he'll obfuscate his presence and entreat us to challenges. Being the good sport he is [and wanting to best us at our own game] he will let us pick the challenges. Vulkan had feats of strength and hunting down the biggest fire drake. Russ had drinking, eating then fighting [which is remarkable in that the emperor lost the first two].
So I'm just asking what Anons think would be a good means to test him on our own grounds.

>>4515320
It'd be funny.
But yeah, acrobatics, morality, perhaps endurance under difficult conditions like sitting under a waterfall for days on end. But I'd also take him to a few places, like our farmsteads and the cliffs of calamity and the [former] lore Gao's residence and ask him what he sees. I'm all for that one question being a key we use to find out someone's world view and peer into their souls.
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From what I know, space marines can eat autogun rounds like candy, so that means a primarch would barely feel it. A, fully grown primarch.
when's our boy gonna be all grown up?

>>4515326
Oh. Maybe a debate or manual mundane labor in an advanced green house. Hardcore Farming or martial arts.
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>>4515330
Hardcore farming could work. Here's your area, and here's mine, we each toil for a month and he who can produce the greater feast for my people is the winner?
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What if we help kick off a civil war and secretly help the ambitions woman in red help knock off high value nobles and leaders to further the chaos and destroy the rot and decay before building anew, and destroying our enemies. We shall form order out of chaos, a new world order!
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>>4515367
Woah there Alpharius, we're not supposed to start worshipping Tzeentch before the Heresy...
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>>4515230
Backing.

This plays into the ambition route without overplaying our hand of truth.

A common way to rise above your master is to be seen as better by their master. Likelyhood is when we raise up the peasents they will speak our name, and that will travel to the higher lords of the land who will ask after us, and not gao. Play that right and you can use this to get said king/lord to replace Gao with you.
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>>4515367
Using herafigure head is a good idea in theory, but in practice makes us a tool at her disposal. She hasnt got this far by being stupid.
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>>4515372
Hey not everything we do or come up with has to be a "Simpsons did it!" thing.
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>>4515399
We're a primarch, effectively a legion's combat effectiveness condensed into a single superhuman. I don't mean Astartes legion either, an ancient, actual legion at the moment, but we could easily trounce intrigues by ignoring them and doing as we will to better our people.
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>>4515408
It's a stupid man who ignores politics because he is able to punch things well.

Being a primarch, it's better to be on top of the intrigues than to waste our efforts cleaning up after them.
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>>4515408
this guy gets it
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>>4515409
Honestly the chick isn't worth it imo. The tea dude and guardsman seem like a good and safe place to start.
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>>4515399
When she realizes what we’re capable of she’ll come crawling to us with whatever it takes to bring us to her side. A man with no interest in her beauty or territory while being the most powerful and competent in the world is definitely going to draw her attention.
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>>4515399
But we can do it covertly with proxies, and not make ourselves known. Just play up the simple but smarter than average farmer. Lets make our enemies underestimate us.
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>>4515409
I'm not saying we should ignore her, just if we ally her to get control over the courts and she tries to somehow manipulate us or threaten our village, we can reject it outright. What's she going to do? Have an army of nobles threaten our village to avenge her carcass?

>>4515414
It's already known that we're extremely intelligent, otherwise we wouldn't have been able to bring the village to prosperity in the dead of winter.
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>>4515411
I wasnt suggesting starting with her. I was saying that it was a bad idea to subordinate ourselves to her in the event of a civil war.

>>4515412
I agree, see above.

>>4515414
It's a very roundabout way to deal with someone in the midst of a war. We'd need our holdings utterly secure and unaffected by the fighting.

>>4515416
Unironically yes. The reason you put up with nobles is to rule lands in your name. If she takes hold of them, then makes enemies of us, then we cant leave our town undefended for a while while we deal with the men she has sent to burn us out. Which in turn gives them time to prepare and cost us more effort and resources to root us out. Then how many nobles would kill us for getting rid of the object of their desire in a hedonistic nation like this....its not a wise idea to take politics and intrigue lightly until we are completely secure in the safety of our very mortal assets.
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>>4515421
I don't think we should take intrigues, far fucking from it, but we need to remember our greatest asset is ourselves. As long as it is known there'll be unavoidable, ruinous consequences for harming our village, we should be in the clear.
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>>4515427
Take intrigues lightly, fuck. I need to get some sleep damn. I say curse words casually because that's edgy and I'm cool motherfucker.
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>>4515427
My only concern is when our village expands to "our kingdom"

But now I get what you mean. Sleep well friend, the thread will be here when you wake.
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>>4515427
>>4515430
You’re a dumbass if you think you can get away with this in Chaos territory. Like Chaos worshippers are one of the few things that can threaten a Primarch. Not to mention how fucked up Mortarion and Lorgar were from Chaos worshippers.
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>>4515432
Less of that. It helps no one.

We will deal with intrigue when it comes up. Primarchs are naturally adept at it anyway, and ignoring it would be foolish.

As for the planet: I don't think its devolved into cults yet, its more general debauchery. We might find something different in the high lords courts though. Remember, Gao is still a small fry really.
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>>4515438
Dunno bout that chief, hes got the ear and favour of the ruling son of heaven. That's not exactly small fry.
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>>4515441
You worry too much. Hes still under someone else so he cant be powerful enough to be a threat to them (or hede have bumped them off already considering his personality) and this is one micronation amoung many many nations(?).

This world seems only a few steps up from city states right now. Though that may change as we gain more information and oversight.
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>>4515432
I don t think is a chaos territory. Maybe influeced by it but not full. Remember Fulgrim destroyed a whole alien civilization that prayed/served Slaanesh. And what the III legion did kill was aliens.

Anyway if we are able to get the position we need, we can start with aiding the villages of the surrounding region near our home. We could even raise an army, and be justified with being well in power.
Spreading in each village our own ideas, morality and skills. We ensure they are not only loyal to us but see our same worldview. If our position his strong enough, we could take those 4 people we have seen here with us. They seem detached and blocked, in something they cleary don t want to be anymore. Offering a new alternative and then giving them our morality, would be easier than with a corrupted noblemen. Though they could be in disbelief at first for what we think (since they live in a world full of evil and debauchery, with probably few acts of good that are seen in a bad light and punished), until they see the fruits of our actions. Which can be easily done with them becoming part of our entourage.
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Since we're talking about the future of this planet, one thing we have to consider is what condition we want to take it to. What I mean is, should we take it to Ultramar levels of advanced and progressive, or keep it at a certain stage to encourage the development of good warriors for the future? Not to say that the Ultramarines aren't good warriors, but they are a bit bland compared to the others. Then again, maybe we should wait until we figure out what our specialisation is until doing anything really drastic with the direction of the planet.
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>>4515454
I'm of the mind to bring it to feudal japan levels of tech.

Enough to avoid ruining our planet with pollution and enough danger to keep our men hardy and strong.
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>>4515212
>Prosperity for my people, and all people of Yan, of All Shangrala!
I think this is better.
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>>4515212
>Prosperity for my people, and all people of Yan, of All Shangrala!
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>>4515454
He wont restrict his world like that.

More likely than not hes going to set aside some of the more dangerous and interesting areas, or create some 'national parks' and use those for initiate testing.

Survival in the harshest areas for a time period, alongside trials and learning in the parks. Have the legion be more than just warriors.
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>>4515455
We are also very very likely to embody the concept of balance into our world, I don't think hell allow over polluting industrys to stay, theyll have to do waste management and clean up their byproducts.
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>>4515455
Yeah, but there's no doubt Lieren would still want the benefits of 'modern' technology, for stuff like medicine or better tools, that kind of stuff and whatnot which would increase the quality of life of the people.
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>>4515464
Do as the ultramarines do. Take exacting care in putting production and polluting factories out of the way, making sure they wont damage the planet. Maybe put them underground or in orbital rings?
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>>4515471
That'll be a while, but until we get to the point where we have orbital shuttles, we should mostly just make use of good waste management.

I mean, we don't need to go full zen. Until we have the option to do so, just taking care so the pollution doesn't extinguish an species or permanently pollute the land is good enough.
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>>4515475
Of course, but I highly doubt that we will get to innovate that much.
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>>4515212
>Prosperity for my people, and all people of Yan, of All Shangrala!
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>>4515485
Once our empire gets large enough itll mainly be a self driving force, provided we can get the efficiency in place. At that point we can start instituting reforms and schools and innovate our big ol primarch heart out.
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>>4515521
I don't know how long it'll be until the emperor arrives, however. The Primarch of the second legion was originally the third to be found, but of course that can change with the fact that we've been sent to a different planet.

I do hope we're not found like, after alpharius omegon or something. It'd be better to participate for the most of the great crusade.
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>>4515525
Well probably be found in a simular time scale as canon, itll help the QM organize things.

Just remember that emps and horus had a very long time together before they found the next primarch. We have time, and a lot of innovation can be squeezed into a few generations, especially with a primarch driving it.
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>>4515212
>Efficiency, equality, the end of exploitation everlasting, Education for every man and the extinction of men of extravagance
If he cannot give up his debauchery then I suppose we refuse and do this the hard way.
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Wait if the woman is looking for prey couldn’t we feed Gao to her? She would happily take advantage of Gao’s weakness to bring him down and improve her standing.
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>>4515212 #
>Efficiency, equality, the end of exploitation everlasting, Education for every man and the extinction of men of extravagance
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>>4515431
I think we should present ourselves as above or outside of intrigues, we'll fight and serve as we will, but only as we will, and hell will befall anyone who tries to leverage our family to make us their tool.

>>4515432
I don't think Gao's court is a Slaanesh cult any more than a bloody arena is a Khorne cult, there's definitely some influence and serious potential for corruption there but it hasn't gone all the way yet. If these were Slaaneshi we would've massacred the entire courtyard and then most of the guards before we snapped out of it and ran to mount a defense in our village. The biggest danger about Chaos worshipers is their corruption, which Primarchs are also resistant to, remember it took constant exposure to a daemon weapon to corrupt Fulgrim and most other Traitors made a choice to serve, whether or not that was forced onto them, as in Magnus and Mortarion. I feel like Mortarion is severely underrated, and not just for his backstory, scythes are some bomb-ass shit.
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>>4515626
>I think we should present ourselves as above or outside of intrigues
We aren’t and nobody is, not even the Emperor. Trying to solve everything with violence is the path to Khorne.
> remember it took constant exposure to a daemon weapon to corrupt Fulgrim
Fulgrim was also insecure as fuck and had an inferiority complex that drove him into that position in the first place.
> most other Traitors made a choice to serve, whether or not that was forced onto them, as in Magnus and Mortarion.
Choice is a little irrelevent when bullshit like magic and fate are involved, also we are very young and weak compared to a full grown Primarch. Just because we can snap a tree like a twig doesn’t make us invincible or infallable.
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>>4515651
All the more reason to get our monk-fu groove on. Be able to renounce and recant any temptation or false promise as it comes.
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>>4515212
>Prosperity for my people, and all people of Yan, of All Shangrala!
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Lol at the guy who actually thinks just being a rich douchebag makes this place a chaos cult
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Lol at the guy that thinks it can’t be a Chaos cult.
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>>4515661
>>4515671
Both of you play nicely. lets not spoil the mood of the thread with childish passive agressiveness.
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>>4515651
I'm talking about to the nobility. Of course we are going to be engaging in intrigues and of course we are going to try to reach the balance between decisive and cautious that will allow us to succeed, but this is a one-hundred percent human, as far as we can see one-hundred percent mundane feudal dominion. Gao's skull will be a stepping stone, not now, not before we've made our preparations, but soon as far as this petty tyrant's concerned we'll be unstoppable.

>>4515654
This, we need to be pure of heart and clear of mind.

>>4515661
>>4515671
If this was a Slaaneshi cult they'd be live-roasting infants and sharing needles that go into places there should not be needles. Slaanesh is an abomination. These are just assholes. Intensely vulnerable to Slaanesh, yes, but they haven't crossed that barrier.
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calling the vote and counting
Efficiency, equality...:4
nothing:1
Prosperity for all:11
End of exploitation: 1
I have done this:1
Tutors:1

All right, so saying your price is prosperity wins!
Writing
And Happy Halloween
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>>4515700
> but this is a one-hundred percent human, as far as we can see one-hundred percent mundane feudal dominion.
Assumptions are dangerous, we both know that.
>If this was a Slaaneshi cult they'd be live-roasting infants and sharing needles that go into places there should not be needles. Slaanesh is an abomination. These are just assholes. Intensely vulnerable to Slaanesh, yes, but they haven't crossed that barrier.
Literally one step from crossing that barrier. Gao is way too much like a Slaanesh cultist right down to the clothes he wears. I want to see if we can find out if he’s trying to recruit for Slaanesh, has been manipulated by a Slaanesh cultist, been manipulated by fate, or if these Chaos inclinations are ingrained culturally. Learning about Chaos is pretty valuable in general since Emperor doesn’t tell others about Chaos and us knowing about it is the only way to make any effective changes to stop the Heresy.
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Your hearts desire? You desire nothing more than you need, than those around you need. Anything more is simply a waste, and thus worthless. Status can be revoked as easily as it is granted, fame will fade as easily as memory, glory is nothing but praise sung at the expense of others, wealth has no value except for that which other men place upon it, You have no interest in any woman let alone many, the food he offers is decadent and meant for one mouth not many, you can walk to any land upon shangrala, and titles? While useful, it would make you a pawn in the games the nobles play.

But there is something you desire, beyond the mere temporal pleasures and luxuries Gao is tempting you with. Something that if properly cultivated and cared for, will last long after either of your eventual deaths and into eternity. With proper administration and planning, of course. The prosperity of your people, of all people of Yan, all of Shangrala. That is the one wish you hold, nothing else may tempt you from your chosen path. It is all you desire, in truth.

"Prosperity" You say, placing your hands on your knees, as Gao runs his fingers through his oil slicked beard. the only sign of surprise he shows from your answer is the slightest raise of one of his eyebrows. Black stains spread on pink silk as Lord Gao nods slowly. Surely he expected you to leap at the chance to climb the social ladder or taste the "finer fruits" he alone could off to you.

"For my people" You continue, raising one of your knees, resting your wrist upon it, and your chin upon your knuckles "and all people of Yan"

Gaos smiles a grey smile, traces of oil glistening upon his lips as you stand to your full height, hand between your two hearts. they beat in unison, perfectly in synch as you voice your one desire to the world and the lord of this small portion of it. Raising the volume of your voice, you speak with conviction. Gao winces as he hears the true power within you, but he does not flee as others have when you've bellowed or yelled. Instead he stands firm, a grinning as if he was watching the dancers in his coutyard.

"Of all of Shangrala!" You bellow, fists clenched, heart burning with passion, eyes wide open, back straight and unbowed. You swing an arm for emphasis, a current of air rushing through the room, parting the veil of smoke and ruffling Gao's grandiose garb. The flames lighting the room flicker, nearly sputtering out, the temperature cooling for a moment. The heady mixture of incense and scented oils vanishing before your might.

And Lord Gao, simply laughs, cackling like a jackal, eyes squinting and glimmering. Then he begins clapping his hands together, laughter still shaking his round, protruding belly. It bounced like a sack of fat strung along the side of a cart, like wine sloshing within a bowl. Disgusting.
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>>4515903

"It is so rare to find a true idealist in this world, I thought they were all snuffed out in my father's time" Lord Gao says, wiping tears from his eyes, struggling not to fall into another cackling fit "So, all you would ask for in exchange for entering my service, is for Prosperity of others, my how selfless of you, Lieren"

A leap across the fire pit, the force of something of your weight pouncing upon him would shatter his spine in an instant, a grip to pull his oil slicked through from his body. But not, you must not give into these primal urges fed by your anger at being insulted for having some virtue.

"And ambitious, the common folk will eat it up, like honey in your hands. Ah all luxury besides that which I make is like vinegar to my tongue" He says, thinking to have found the true meaning behind your words, unable to comprehend a man would simply help others because he was able to, rather than hoping to be reward for doing so. Gao waves his hand through the air, grinning manically and cackling again.

"I will bring prosperity to my people, to the yan, and all of Shangrala" He says, with a predatory flash of his teeth, walking closer to you "if not for seeing into your heart, I'd think you were being serious! How far you and I will soar together, lifted up by the hands of the poor and abandoned, oh you are as clever as Ling said you were, not only do you know hot to win the hearts of the workers, the craftsmen and the farmer, but you leave an open door, for further glory, of conquest"

He reaches your side, looking into your golden eyes with delight.

"I can hear them now, LIEREN! Vanquisher of the Vishnu, Slayer of the Shuni, Breaker of the Bask, Wise son of the fields, Mighty HERO OF YAN! SAVIOR OF SHANGRALA!" He shouts in excitement, deepening his voice to mimic a crowd that isn't there as he puffs out his chest but only makes his stomach bulge out further "What stories and songs they will sing, of virtuous and idealistic Lieren, as you and I bask in their praise and drown in glory, only Great Lord Yan himself will be above us"

How utterly despicable. You look at him, expression unchanging as he puts his hands on his stomach, laughing deeply again. He is just as blind as Ling, despite having eyes to see. He is just as your father Wenyan described.

"Perhaps you would join me for a drink, so we may discuss the...intricacies of our relationship moving forward, into the bright days ahead for you and I" He says, cleaning his black teeth with his tongue "Perhaps I will grant you of meeting one of my sons or...daughters"

He was close enough you could slice through his carotid artery with a quick swipe of your hands, your nails would pierce his bloated flesh as easily as Panther claws.
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>>4515905

cont
How do you reply, Lieren?
> Accept, but drink nothing
> Humbly refuse, and tell him you have more interest in meeting some of his guests *Flash a sly smile*
> Tell him you were being serious and he's a black hearted rogue
> Arrange for him to send food to your village, in the guise of it going to your personal larder
> Write in?
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>>4515907
> Accept, but drink nothing
We've convinced him we're faking it despite telling the truth to his face, doing this will sell it and get in a position to help as many peasants as possible.
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>>4515907
>> Humbly refuse, and tell him you have more interest in meeting some of his guests *Flash a sly smile*
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>>4515907
>> Humbly refuse, and tell him you have more interest in meeting some of his guests *Flash a sly smile*
Time to meet the “virtuous souls”
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Ah, the folly of the corrupt. Assuming all are as corrupt as they are.

> Humbly refuse, and tell him you have more interest in meeting some of his guests *Flash a sly smile*
But phrase it in such a way as to see if we can get him to join the party at large. See if his persona changes and all that.
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>>4515907
>Accept, but drink nothing
This would be what makes the most sense. Let's be ascetic, even if he thinks we're just faking it. In the end, what's important is arranging an deal that allows us to build our base and maybe get more support from the villagers. We need time to continue studying the crib, and we need to get nothing to a good condition.

Also, i'm starting to notice Lieren's got some real repressed anger. I mean, that's a good thing considering who he is and what happens to primarchs who have no temperament, but damn he has some anger boiling under that skin.

Do we have a counter of how many times Lieren's imagined how easy it would be to kill some scum?
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>>4515907
> Accept, but drink nothing
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>>4515907
>Accept, but drink nothing.
>Get him to send food to our village in guise of personal larder

I think it should go to the effect of "No daughters, we shall conduct buisness quickly. I'll begin work bringing the other starving villages into shape [making jade of nothing] and you will supply me with any materials I ask."

The blind and the stupid will never be persuaded. He will simply do as we ask and he shall reap the "rewards" of his blind foolishness.

>>4515954
We are saving it for when we do.
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>>4515967
agreed, I support
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>>4515967
a pretty good idea, but it would be wise to be less direct if we want him to be blind to what we'll do. drink nothing, organize a deal so we can start working on the villages all the while he thinks we're paving the way for his glory.
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>>4515907
>> Accept, but drink nothing
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>>4515907
> Accept, but drink nothing
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>>4515907
>Accept, but drink nothing.
>Get him to send food to our village in guise of personal larder


We will not be persuaded by any debauchery, make clear what we will do in this work and that we don t want anyone in the way of our work. Make sure to remain as little as we can to Gao presence, we have many new things to do and the people of the villages are suffering while this feast keeps going.
Control that food send. We will not accept anything foul, disgusting or that can be used with malicious intent against us or our people. And neither anything this nobles consider as a "innocent joke".
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>>4515967
Actually, I'll switch over to this. Maybe include an explanation if he asks why we want to improve other villages along the lines of "Many villages of jade may work together to bring all to greater heights than they could reach individually." Maybe mix in something like "One Jade can be 'stolen' easier than a treasury of Jade."

Carrot of more wealth, stick of his enemies being able to weaken him easier if it is only just our village, as he is lead toward his own damnation.
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>>4515977
that's just our cliff-note directives we should steer it down. Actual dealing should be done more persuasively.
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>>4515967
this
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>>4515996
Maybe put it more as "No daughters, as I am still yet but a hunter of a village with no name." Make it seem like we do not view ourselves as worthy of such an "honor" at the current time with so few deeds to our name.
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>>4516003
Sure, that'd fit well.
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>>4516008
Real fun thing is that we might be able to abuse that excuse to work up the social ladder if he tries to pressure us in the future after we do have deeds. Sorta "I am a great architect/warrior/scholar/etc but I am no noble."

Would only work until the guy makes us a baron or what have you, but by then we should be at the point of either having overthrown him or have managed to turn away one of his daughters from this chaos worship.
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>>4516022
yep, "Fuck you, it's not my job, got shack up with someone else"
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>>4515907
>Arrange for him to send food to your village, in the guise of it going to your personal larder
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>>4515967
Backing.

I would also add: Ask permission to get lessons/teachings.

A big one is going to be learning to read and write, since we probably dont know the local one yet.
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Calling and counting the votes

Accept but drink nothing:12
Humbly refuse:2
Arrange for food:8
Arrange for lessons:1

Alright, since Accepting his invitation for talks and drinks and arranging for food can be combined, and Arranging for food got enough votes, I'll include it.

So Lieren will join Lord Gao for drinks and discussing the future of them "Working together", and arrange for food to be given as well

Writing the update
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If Perturabo were dropped on Shangrala instead of us, do you think he'd be halfway to Slaanesh fanaticism decades ahead of time or would've went into immediate attrition warfare the moment someone had the audacity to try and collect taxes? Dorn would be dismantling the system *by hand* and fermenting a peasant revolt by now, no doubt, I don't think he would stand to watch this happen.

>>4515896
I agree there's some Slaanesh influence here and I would be honest to the Go- I mean, Emperor shocked if the Yan wasn't steeped in it and puppeted by a daemon prince or two. It's also important to learn more, I want to do away with lord Gao as soon as possible but at the moment the information and resources he can provide us if we play to his ego are invaluable.

>>4515954
Lieren was designed to be a superhuman war-machine and he's spent almost all of his life so far lifting a village out of poverty. I would be more concerned if he wasn't furious, some amount of anger is healthy, especially for one of the Emperor's sons.
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>>4516099
Talking about the other primarchs, Lieren's certainly going to have some stuff in common with the likes of Corvus Corax, being from a planet full of poor people being ruled by an rich elite.
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>>4516099
Do note that the approach we are choosing could result in much less bloodshed and spread our ideology/save more useful people than what our brothers would choose to do.

If we get really good at the charisma side of things, we might be able to get people to repent and atone for some of the shit they did.
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>>4516099
Ya know, I'd like to think Lieren would carry his lessons into the stars. Talking to each and every planet and race he met that he could, learning their worldview and their reasoning to better make his judgement, to be utterly convinced of his decision because he's examined a cultures morals and leaders so extensively that there isn't a shadow of doubt to hide behind.
Unless they butcher some of his men, in which case it's fire and brimstone for those fuckers.
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>>4516152
Problem is, what are you even going to do when it comes to people like the Rangdan? Or the Slaugth? Or the Megarachnids? Or Orks, or Drukhari, the list goes on and on

I do agree he should be more diplomatic when it comes to the eventual "reclaim human worlds" thing that the great crusade does.
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>>4516155
When it comes to Xenos, you streamline the process so that you learn whether or not it's worth even trying diplomacy, then you go for the full package.
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>>4516155
there is a difference between "Blind trust" and "Attempted understanding".

where the tau would see the bdsm elves and try their hand anyway, if the eldar do anything shifty, we know right there and then to execute them. If they don't do anything shifty and lie, we can tell and execute them there and then. If they tell the truth......well that's quite obvious where it leads.
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>>4516172
There are races that you absolutely DO NOT trust though. If you see a drukhari, you shoot.
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>>4516188
Got to make sure to remember the difference between the Drukhari (Kill on sight), the Craftworld Aeldari (Maybe listen then kill on sight), and the Exodites (Chill.)
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I’ve been thinking Lieren should get into more artistic hobbies later on.
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>>4516193
While i would say that you should usually also kill aeldari on sight, the fact that we're a primarch means we could actually do that without getting immediately backstabbed by them.

The only people who ever benefit from teaming up with xenos are primarchs and important space marines, as seen with dante, sanguinius and more lately robust gilligan.
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>>4516188
That's if you know what a Drukhari is.
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>>4516207
Do martial arts count as an artistic hobby?

>>4516213
I hope we don't learn the hard way. Poor Jaghatai.
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>>4516213
It's simple, they look like xenos and have spikes. So if you see a xeno with spikes, shoot it.
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>>4516223
Couldn't that lead to friendly fire if spikes = shoot it?

>>4516215
Martial arts SHOULD count. As should swordsman ship and caligraphy.
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>>4516224
No, xeno with spikes = shoot it

If you can't tell a difference between a xeno soldier and a human soldier, you might need to get your eyes checked, at least when it comes to eldar

Space Marine are too bulky, Auxiliars (there's no guardsmen yet) are too small...you get it.
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"This humble farmer will accept Lord Gao's generous offer" You say, clasping your hands together and bowing, as the fat man grinning, only now wiping the drops of oil still stuck in his beard by running his hands through it like a brush. His black teeth peeked out from his grey stained lips, before he motioned for the women still sitting reposed next to his throne of stone and Iron.

"Well, let us not keep the drinks waiting then" He says, motioning towards himself with two fingers, ordering you to follow him "And get away from any curious ears"

His eyes glance towards the door and you can tell he's speaking of Ling. he frowns, the plump women coming and cleaning his face and rolling his soiled sleeves to hide the stains upon the silk.

"We'll talk into the evening you and I, of future plans and exactly how you will serve me" He says, picking at his nails as he walked along, trying to clean the oil from beneath them as the women carried the back of his robe to keep it from dragging anymore along the ground "among other topics, whatever may come to either of our marvelous minds, it pays to know the men beneath you as intimately as possible after all"

"Of course, Lord Gao" You say, nodding as you walked through a doorway that's tall enough for you to step through without having to crouch through it, it too has the entwined gold dragons of the Gao family carved into its face. The hall behind it is covered in carvings, and the floor is lined with more Panther furs, the silver sheen beneath the white glimmering from the fire light flickering upon the walls. The carvings are of dragons, coiling together, with hollows in the wood set in their mouths, lined with blackened iron where the fire light the way burns. Seems to be oil based judging from the scent and ferocity of the flames. Dangerous to keep around wood.

"Oh do talk more, we'll be working very closely together from now on, you can relax a little" Gao says, rolling his eyes while scratching his beard "If you displease me I'll only have you whipped in private, so as to preserve your face, there's nothing to fear, Lieren"

He laughs, such cruelty being a joke to him, though you wonder how many years he'd spend finding a whip and arm strong enough to split your flesh with any ease.

"Well, I am waiting to be away from prying ears, your benevolence" you say softly, glancing to his women as he snorts and chuckles

"Oh they won't repeat a word of what is said between you and I, can't, I grew tired of their bickering years ago" Gao says so casually you'd think he was talking off the weather instead of a horrific punishment for something so petty "So I had their tongues pulled out, but left their beauty intact. It was worth far more than the drivel they spouted anyways"

Maybe you'd rip his own tongue out one day, if only so he'd no longer spew poison with every breath her took, but you merely smiled, forcing the disgust and rage you found inwards, so it would not show in your expression.
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>>4516231

"I see, I see" You say through your teeth, saying more would just be risking hurling your true feelings for this worm in a raging rant and impassioned denouncement, but to do so would bring far worse than the taste of the lash "how merciful of you, to do so little"

"Their children didn't agree, but what's a few sons, more or less" Gao said with a deep laugh as you clenched your jaw, using all of your will not the throttle the beast wearing the hide of a man before you "If only they could've been as wise as you, they might still be whole today"

"Well it is a rare gift indeed to be wise enough to see what fate your actions will bring upon you" You say, your friendly and joyful tone hiding the venom and vitriol that those words carried for Lord Gao "We are merely blessed with a different intellect than most men, You and I"

Gao clicks his tongue and smiles, looking pleased with what he hears as stoking of his pride and plain compliment, Once again missing the true meaning to your words. For you spoke of two different kinds of intellect, of which the gap between could not be crossed without the grandest of bridges.

"Very true Lieren, very true, so few can foretell their own destiny, let alone take control of it" He says, vanity oozing from his lips with every sound that left them.

The hall way came to an end, opening to a resplendent bedchamber of the most opulent of sort, the bed alone would take up the home of entire farming family in most villages, and it was draped in sheets of silk, pink and marroon and gold, with more pillows than heads could fit upon it. Fine pottery and carvings sat along the walls, alongside gemmed studded weapons that of fine make but of no purpose besides appearing beautiful.

The blades were not even sharpened upon the swords and spears, and were made of silver edged with gold. Gao clicked his tongue again, and the two mutated women moved to pull the heavy curtains aside, revealing hanging Terrace, that overlook a garden of trees and blossoming flowers of all colors known to man. The railings were topped with gold dragons and lacquered into a deep maroon color.

"Come, take your seat, and I shall pour you a drink" Gao says, as he walks by the women he tortured, pulling aside a chair far to small for your frame. You squeeze onto it anyways, as he sits opposite of you, pouring a clear liquid from a silver pitcher into a cup carved from glass, with near cutting edges spiraling around it .

He sets it in front of you and pours himself a glass, draining it with one gulp. He shuddered, groaning as his muscles tightened and his eyes closed.

"You will find no finer vintage anywhere except the Court of Yan himself" He says with a smirk as you observe the glass, turning it and watching the liquid slosh around, judging from the smell it wouldn't be strong enough to have an effect upon you, but you set it down anyways "Not a drinker? Its one of the finest pleasures in this world, I insist you at least try it"
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>>4516215
Kinda though I was thinking stuff like storytelling, painting, calligraphy, music (mostly stuff that calms the mind), pottery, etc.
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>>4516233

"I have no interest in such things" You say plainly, bowing your head "But while your generosity is boundless, I will have to refuse this offering"

"Oh, maybe you simply need a treat to go with it, I know men like that, the sow Ling won't partake without sugared fruits or dried fish...but I think a drink as fine as this requires a more, refined accompaniment" Gao says as he pours himself another glass, sipping it lightly now "Perhaps, one of the fruits of my loins? I have many daughters, I am sure one will be to your tastes, Lieren"

With enough force this glass could be embedded and pushed through his skull, but you remain dignified and calm despite the lurid offer presented to you.

"No daughters, let us conduct our business quickly, Lord Gao, it is better to get work out of the way before pleasure" You say seriously, still swirling the drink around in your hand as Gao's eyes narrow, for a moment it looks as if he'll rave and rage insulted by your sense of duty but he merely smiles.

"A dutiful man, I understand, let us remove anything that can concern you and I from enjoying ourselves" He growls, downing his drink, eyes widening and rolling back for a moment, letting out a breath, vapors rising from his tongue "So, what will be our business, your service to me, what do you, with your wisdom and strength and many talents, off to me"

"To start, I'll begin work bringing other starving villages into shape," You say, turning the glass around in your palm, putting your other arm over the table sitting between Gao and yourself "And you will supply me with any materials I ask"

Gao's eyes narrowed further.

"I will, will I?" he says, his tone sharpening and filling with the poison of spite "And why should I give my wealth so it will be spent to benefit the worthless chaff of the Yan?"

You grip the glass cup tightly, its edges digging into your palm, the slight pain clearing your mind to let you speak further than to react to Gao's inane cruelties.

"Ah Lord Gao, I have already given you a piece of Jade made from nothing" You say serenely as Gao pours himself another drink

"Yes, you have, without pilfering my coffers" He says, nodding along as you smile, and lean across the table as he drinks

"But one piece of jade may be easily stolen by envious hands" You say, Gao's eyes flashing with anger fed by greed as he listens

"None would dare to take from mighty lord gao!" He bellows furiously, slamming his cup down, crimson weeping from his hand.

"Few men are as wise as You and I, Lord Gao, the foolish might, a greedy tax collector or a lord jealous of your success and wealth" You say quietly as Gao's eyes flash with paranoia and fear and further wrath "however many pieces of jade are harder to snatch away"

"So you intend to raise the worthless chaff into something worthwhile?" He asks understanding something at last "For my benefit, and yours"
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>>4516237

"Of course, Many villages of jade may work together to bring ALL to greater heights, you and I included" You say, moving the cup to your lips as if to drink, but you do not "than they could reach individually"

Gao downs his drink and nods.

"You speak wisely, Lieren" He says nodding quickly, manic glee in his eyes and smile "this generous Gao shall give you the resources you ask for, and name you Administrator of his lands, for as long as you bring prosperity to its people, and more importantly, its Lord"

"The lands of the Gao shall forever be the gem of Yan" You say raising your glass to toast as Gao returns the gesture.

"As it should be" He says smugly "As it should be, oh wise Lieren, now, why don't you drink and enjoy yourself, our business is done for now"

What will you do, Lieren?
> Refuse and return to the party, saying you would not waste his vintage with a tongue so unused to such finery
> Ask to see his daughters, to save at least one of them from the terror of their father
> force yourself to down the drink, and ask if Gao has any stories to tell, to cement in your mind the fate you will bring him
> Apologize, but you must begin your long work, another time perhaps
> Write in?
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>>4516239
>> Refuse and return to the party, saying you would not waste his vintage with a tongue so unused to such finery
I want to talk to the four virtuous guests.
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>>4516209
I say listen as it might give a hint as to why the fuck they are there which could be myriad and potentially actually help nail what's going on with confusing shit, while you already know why the Dark Eldar are there.
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>>4516239
> force yourself to down the drink, and ask if Gao has any stories to tell, to cement in your mind the fate you will bring him

Netted ourself a position which will allow us to root out Corruption under us
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>>4516239
I get it now, he must want us marry into his family.
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>>4516239
I think we should do a mix of two options
>Force down the drink, return to the party
We don't want to commit a social faux pas, he still thinks we're only going with the whole "noble" thing as an way to get glory.

Let's just drink it up so as to have him not pay deeper thoughts to us (if he thinks we're actually some kind of ascetic "for the people" guy he certainly will start doubting our goals) and then go meet the four virtuous souls before we go home.
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>>4516239
>Force down a drink, but make excuse that it's obviously too fine for our untested tongue, Ask instead the 'pleasure' of stories to find out just how much we are going to murder-fuck this man.
>Make excuses and return to the party to talk to the four virtuious souls

I want to save one of his daughters, but talking would merely invite his wrath on them when we don't bed them.
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>>4516239
> Refuse and return to the party, saying you would not waste his vintage with a tongue so unused to such finery
What a degenerate
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>>4516248
> *Accept the drink, forcing it down* and return to the party, saying you would not waste his vintage with a tongue so unused to such finery
"and I could not appreciate it properly"

If he asks why we do not want to see his daughters, comment:
>"I have only yet raised one village to Jade, and that before my tenure as your Administrator. I do not yet view myself as worthy of such an honor yet."
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>>4516277
>If he asks why we do not want to see his daughters, comment:
>>"I have only yet raised one village to Jade, and that before my tenure as your Administrator. I do not yet view myself as worthy of such an honor yet."
That's smooth, I'll back that.
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Maybe we should ask for a spar with one of his guards and pick the virtuous soul.
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>>4516292
Why would we do that? We'd just be bringing attention. Let's just go talk with the virtuous souls once we excuse ourselves.
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>>4516258
>>4516277
Actually, better plan:

> force yourself to down the drink
> "I have only yet raised one village to Jade, and that before my tenure as your Administrator. I do not yet view myself as worthy of any honor greater than merely meeting the family of the one I serve."
>Return to the party after meeting and gauging how they are, if they are away from the party.
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>>4516224
There's the trope of master swordsmen doing calligraphy in japan, we could paint a lot better than normal people because of our physiology. I remember some primarch being able to see something that was a few microns misaligned on a space marine's armor
>>4516239

> Refuse and return to the party, saying you would not waste his vintage with a tongue so unused to such finery
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>>4516292
That'd draw a lot of attention to the guard and risk crippling him if we accidentally overexerted ourselves to learn more about his fighting style.
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>>4516239
>Force down the drink, return to the party

Don’t offend his sense of importance and go look for our diamonds in the mud
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What if we "drink" a small portion. And then do this

>>4516277

Of course what we "drink" would actually just remain a bit in a part of our mouth. We will then spit it outside, unseen by all. Of course we will take the glass with us and say that we will savour this fine drink outside, slowly. Because having such honour to drink this fine liquid can only be done a few times in life. Of course we will throw the rest of the liquid too outside. and unseen.
Our mouth should be large enough for us to do that, while we talk.
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>>4516252
That's one way we can lower taxes on the poor. Get everything up to code, then cut out the corruption.....and lower the prices, so the lord member notices the dip.
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>>4516304
What would be the point of that?
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>>4516311
The drink could be a drug or poison
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>>4516315
That’s a fair point. Refusing is also an insult in China so we can’t do that.
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>>4516315
Why would he poison us, though? I mean, he'd definitely do it if he saw us as a threat, but that doesn't seem like the case.
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>>4516322
Also, our drink was poured from the same container as his
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>>4516319
my idea is not to refuse it, Just fake to drink it. And let it stay in our mouth. For then spit when we are outside
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>>4516315
It's a poison, but we are a primarch.
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>>4516239
> Ask to see his daughters, to save at least one of them from the terror of their father
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Hmm...if the 'drink it' wins, might it be good to take a light sip and say to him something like: "I wish I could fully understand the full quality of this vintage, so little of this type of drink even now in the village I came from. Yet even my untrained tongue can catch a hint of its glory. I suppose that I may be ruined for any future drinks of this kind."?
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>>4516331
>>4516315

Look >>4516327
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>>4516338
*Basically as an excuse for not really drinking anything more at the party proper.

>>4516333
Trips. Though might be good to meet the full family via >>4516297 . May be some sons that are salvageable as well, and we could not meet them if we only meet the daughters.
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>>4516342
>>4516331
>>4516327

Fair point
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>>4516239
> Refuse and return to the party, saying you would not waste his vintage with a tongue so unused to such finery
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>>4516342
I know but if it was poisoned, there's a 99.99% chance we wouldn't have to worry about it. Hmm... That makes me think. Are there any canonical examples of primarchs getting hit by nerve gas?
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Think if we do go the hand to hand route with our boy that he can pull a 'You're already dead'?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNQs_Bef_V8
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Attempting to 'rescue' any of his children is frankly a waste of time as well as they could be as bad as their father. Forget his kids, once we usurp him legally or kill him oof or whatever we can look into them.
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>>4516297
i support this option, along with the idea of faking drinking gaos offered drink
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>>4516360
Mortarion drank poisons and had his boys drink poisons for fun, I think they'll be fine.
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>>4516366
This, we're an primarch not some kind of shonen protagonist. We've gotta get to business, and as good as saving people from falling into evil is good, we don't have time to waste.
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>>4516239
> Refuse and return to the party, saying you would not waste his vintage with a tongue so unused to such finery
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>>4516366
Not a genuine reason to ignore them, "they could be" which is both pessimistic and why we would look over them.

>>4516373
Again, being a primarch doesnt mean we cant desire to save them. The good argument you have is that we dont have time to waste or any current thing to gain. So we shouldnt bother at present unless we can come up with some use of them.
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>>4516371
That's kind of cheating. It's like me saying 'Magnus fucks around with the warp all the time, so we should also be fine'.
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>>4516390
If a marine can handle it, so can we.
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>>4516366
I am not thinking purely on a rescue point. We could hear all the stories he could tell and that would not inform us as much about the man if we saw how he raises and treats his kids.
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>>4516366
>>4516373
I agree. Every minute we waste with the children of lord Gao is one more minute a child is starved to fill porcelain plates with food that isn't eaten. Do you think we should seek to become mini god emperor of Shangrala, or a more distant and advisory figure? I like the idea of doing both, becoming god emperor and staying distant from the legal system outside of dispensing innate wisdom, overseeing projects firsthand, and crushing any signs of treachery.
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>>4516389
It's less that saving them would be useless and more that we have more important stuff to deal with than going an redemption quest.

I mean, are we going to do this with every crooked noble's children? It's better if we just topple the corrupt government and deal with them later.
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>>4516389
We can desire to save them yes but at this point its early days for our first legal ruling. Doing this with the pretence were gonna fuck one of his daughters only to talk to them about their dad is pointless and meaningless. There is also the possibility we are caught in the act of trying to shield them from their Fathers wrath. Holding onto the power we have been granted is Paramount and as we've literally just been given the title, butting in on the guys parenting is pointless and dangerous to our ultimate goals and rapport with Lord Gao at the moment.
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>>4516395
I think we should just strengthen our home and improve the villages of the region, eventually start introducing some better equipment and then eventually have an peasant's revolution so to say to topple the corrupt lords.

Basically, let's take over the world and make it more just - if there's anyone who's good at ruling a world, it's an benevolent immortal superhuman who came from the sky.
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>>4516399
Will we do this for every child? Depends on how much we can do without it getting in the way of our important buissness.
For the record, since we cant take them home then I'm not going to vote for the option, but if we could it would take us nearly no effort to put them in our village and set them to work educating the others in ways of reading or writing.

But if we could take them, then sure. I dont expect us to do much other than move them beyond easy reach of the lords abuses. Which is really all I want out of the idea, not to try and dedicate time reforming them into some paragon of virtue. Though now that I think about it properly, we need to teach or get some people to read and writing if we are to admin these lands.
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>>4516390
His marines drank poison like it was a beer, if a marine can handle it, even if they're from a different legion, any primarch can handle poisons like it's a non-alcoholic beer.
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>>4516414
We don't need to get one of lord gao's kids to teach how to read - it's not like they're the only one.

It'd be far easier to eventually have scribes teach them. But regardless, it doesn't really matter, writing is important but knowing the alphabet won't do any good to the small kid starving because no one can work on the fields because of how weak they are.

Let's just go meet the four virtuous souls and go back to improving the villages to build our base.
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>>4516432
It was more an example of a use.
But you're right in that it seems like this is the plan.

Speaking of the plan, we should visit the souls in order of
wise man, soldier, general, woman.

Cleanse our palette somewhat and people shouldnt pay attention to us once we start talking with the scorned wise man. With the heat dying off from our talk with Gao, we can talk to the guard without notice and then get reevaluate by talking to people of 'actual' importnace
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Why not find a child of Gao that hasn't been corrupted and use them as our figurehead later? Gao's gonna die of "natural causes" at some point and we could easily place a good son in his seat
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>>4516454
Do we really need a figure head? We're not going to play by the court's rules.

We just need time until we can get our yellow turbans ready and the villages fed.
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>>4516239
> Refuse and return to the party, saying you would not waste his vintage with a tongue so unused to such finery
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calling the vote now, splitting it into two sections since some people combined the options, and it'll be easier.

Refuse:6
Drink: 8
fake drinking: 2
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Return to party:12
Explain why you don't want to see his daughters:3
Meet his daughters/ children:1
ask Gao for stories: 2

So Lieren will force himself to drink, then return to the party and search for the virtuous four.

writing the update now
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bros, we're a fucking primarch, not a human or even a space marine. simple poison they have in this feudal world wont work on us, nor will almost any blades they have. the only thing that could even damage us is a cannon, or maybe a high powered blunderbuss.
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>>4516395
Well, If we want to go full Emperor we can just have one of Gao's kids as a Malcador stand in, we conquer the entire planet while they 'rule' from Gao's throne. I think that's a pretty reasonable course to take.

>>4516466
>Yellow Turbans
I think we should just take the Cao Cao route, it would make things a lot easier for ourselves. Peasant rebellions should be the backup, not the main plan.
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>>4516533
dude is basically a count, right?
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>>4516531
You have to remember we're an 1 year old anon. Basically a toddler.
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>>4516531
There's also Chaosfuckery afoot on this planet, to what degree is unknown but it always pays to be cautious when Chaos is involved.
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>>4516544
we're not human though, we don't abide by human standards. a wolf starts hunting at six months old, and at two they're fully grown. since we're the apex of evolution, i'd say our rate of maturation is far different from any creature.
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>>4516544
Doesn't matter. Even though we haven't reached our full stature(I believe source materiel gave estimates of 3 years) our anatomy and physiology would prevent us from being significantly harmed from any poison that wasn't warp-based, archaotech or very high end xenotech. And this bastard would waste anything like that on us if he had any(which i doubt).
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>>4516549
i don't get why you guys think there's for sure chaos on this planet, in the real world extremely decadent and evil courts have existed for tens of thousands of years, without any help from demons or evil gods, i don't see why it just has to be a chaos worshiping empire.
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>>4516558
Because chaos is insidious and we are using our metaknowledge with the wrathful perceptions of our primarch.

Drawing the worst case scenario and preparing for it.
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>>4516558
I know it seems a bit presumptuous to look at the court as a Chaos riddled den
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It be rude not to, despite your deep distaste towards such frivolities, since the contents of the glass in your hand is most likely worth far more than the tithe your village pays to Gao, by several magnitudes in fact. Steeling your resolve, you tip the glass back and pour its contents into your mouth. A burning sensation follows, then the taste of over ripes peaches, morning dew and the powder of ground up tree bark and spring wildflower pollen. Its like nothing you've ever tasted before, and you hate it. Such a beverage was worth so much despite offering nothing besides intoxication and muddled flavors you could find in nature at the price of nothing?

Disgusting. You set the glass down, shaking your head as Gao watches you like a hawk watches a field mouse, a panther a stray child, a jackal a snake.

"It would seem my palate is to unrefined for such things, it has been wasted upon my tongue, unused to such finery" You sigh, pushing the glass towards him as you moved to stand from your chair and take your leave from the presence of this monstrous man, as quickly as you could "If I may take my leave, and return to the festivities, at Lord Gao's approval of course"

"Hmm, you'll learn to enjoy the taste eventually, after you've trained your tongue with other such delicacies" Gao says, pouring himself another cup "And then you will beg for just another drop of such a treasure"

"Then when that day comes you'll have my thanks lord Gao, I assume I'll be given the symbol of my new office and station after the party ends?" You asks as he snorts, drops of the expensive liquor glimmering like pearls in his rust colored beard "And that I may rejoin it myself, I am sure the other guests can't wait to meet the "Mythical" Lieren"

He takes half of his current glass of the liquor and pushes it around his mouth, thinking his response over as he slowly swallows it down, drop by drop. Then he lets out a breath, cheeks almost as red as his hair and lets out a chuckle.

"I suppose I can be rid of you for now, if you won't drink with me" He says flaring his nostrils, his movements becoming uncordinated and sluggish as the drink he has been drinking at such a rapid pace begins to effect him, no doubt as his body struggles to process what it sees as poison.

"Laugh, be merry, enjoy the power that I have poured into the chalice of your life" He continues, waving the pitcher around in the air, spilling the incredibly valuable alcohol as he did in a show of his horrid wastefulness "Partake in any pleasure or whimsy you will, but remember, you will pay for such delights with service starting tomorrow at dawn, I expect results as miraculous as your own home village across all my lands"

"I will not fail the people, Lord Gao, or their rightful ruler" You say with a bow, clasping your hands together as you took your leave, leaving the now utterly drunk buffoon to shorten his foul life with ever cup he imbibes. And Shangrala will be better for it.
cont
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>>4516591

The mutilated women watch you with eyes devoid of hope as you march past them, they remain as you retrace your steps through the hallway, back to the throne room and out the door, the guards glance at you as you walk past them without a word, and follow the path you took through the manor in the first place, unescorted. An idle thought passed through your mind, if you had say, thrown Lord Gao off the balcony you sat with him on, would any man be able to realize he hadn't stumble off of it in a drunken haze?

Perhaps, perhaps not. Your mind turned from such thinking as you left the castle and saw the horrid display of debauchery before you, the revolting sight of the noble's decadence, the living incarnations of the oppression and cruelty your people suffered beneath, the hedonist opulence of wasteful feasting, inordinately expensive clothes drinks and food, sadistic entertainment and sickening "delights". It would all be better burned to ash, along with all those who partook in such a festival of sin, who inflicted such suffering upon the lands solely to live such excessive lives.

Except for four, at least. The Wise man, The thinking guard, The lady predator, and the heroic General. They, at least, were above this roguish rabble of nobility.
Four virtuous souls among a sea of sin. Yin Lei, Qian Xia, Guozhi, and the guard whose name you do not know

How will you approach them, Lieren?
> Approach the general and Lady at once, pulling them into a casual conversation
> Sit by the old man, and ask what he sees from under the tree
> Track the guard to somewhere private, so you do not risk his safety
> Merely go to all four and briefly talk to each, to get an idea of what they're truly like, without drawing attention to yourself or them
> Write in
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>>4516593
> Approach the general and Lady at once, pulling them into a casual conversation
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>>4516593
>Sit by the old man, and ask what he sees from under the tree
seems chill
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>>4516593
>Sit by the old man, and ask what he sees from under the tree
That's a good test, we used it on Ling and he failed, let's see how the wise old man answers. After, track down the guard and then eventually talk to the old man, then the lady.
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>>4516593
>> Sit by the old man, and ask what he sees from under the tree
Since we would both be seen as eccentric, people probably wont take too much mind of it.
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>>4516593
>> Approach the general and Lady at once, pulling them into a casual conversation
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>>4516593
> Sit by the old man, and ask what he sees from under the tree
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>>4516593

I'll change my vote from >>4516595 to
> Sit by the old man, and ask what he sees from under the tree
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>>4516593
> Sit by the old man, and ask what he sees from under the tree
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>>4516593
> Sit by the old man, and ask what he sees from under the tree
aside from the distracted guard, I can see the rest of the group seeking out the big guy who killed fog beasts.
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>>4516658
Are our deeds even known to these people? The only reason I can see why they would humour a discussion with us is due to our physique
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>>4516593
> Sit by the old man, and ask what he sees from under the tree
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>>4516661
To be fair, who wouldn't want to talk with an giant with iron-colored hair and literal golden eyes?
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>>4516671
I wonder if it's like raw iron ingots or shiny like burnished steel
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> Sit by the old man, and ask what he sees from under the tree

None are likely to approach him and when conversation winds down, we are able to keep the embers going for a time while we await the general and lady to become free. Plus, it would be useful in centering ourselves.
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>>4516593
>> Sit by the old man, and ask what he sees from under the tree
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>>4516678
Maybe it's shiny if we take a brush to it
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>>4516593
The wise man. The Uncle Iroh.
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>>4516593
>An idle thought passed through your mind, if you had say, thrown Lord Gao off the balcony you sat with him on, would any man be able to realize he hadn't stumble off of it in a drunken haze?
That’s a good idea actually.
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>>4516593
>> Sit by the old man, and ask what he sees from under the tree
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>>4516708
Would definitely be a good assassination once we select a suitable replacement. Quick, easy, and relatively blameless.
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>>4516716
>a suitable replacement
us would work, though we will need to be replaced after we take over this world, the king cant rule every county
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calling the vote and counting

Approach the general and lady:1
Sit by the old man:12

Lieren will ask the old man what he sees from under the tree.

Writing
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Of course, from you extraordinary appearance, you tend to stand out in a crowd, even one so caught up chasing their next high or burst of pleasure that they're practically blind to the world outside of themselves and their bliss. But even they will notice you if you, dressed simply in leather and fur, march into their conversations and society, before being offically given your title and office. So you'll need to plan your meeting with the four virtuous ones carefully.

Unfortunately from a glance, it seems Yin Lei has been forced to spectate a mock battle of actors wearing garish, exaggerated armor and offensive masks that don't seem to reflect any human expression. Once he is away from that ape looking aquantience of his, you'll take your chance to speak with him. Qian Xia on the other hand seems to be throwing a new web, talking to a young man with love in his eyes, though the eyes of the lady in red only hold a cold contempt, hidden behind the gentle, weak smile she wears. It is more of a mask than any the guards or entertainers wear. And of the namless guard, with mind enough to learn from the lesser creatures under heaven? You'd be able to find him by simply observing the movements of the pink clad soldiers and finding the one as light on his feet as a leaf in the wind.

But that would take time, and watching the guards while you wait for Yin and Qian to be freed to speak to would look somewhat suspicious to the paranoid and power hungry, which made up a great majority of this party from all you've seen. And that left the wise scholar, Guozhi, who sits away from the festivities, left alone as a leper would be. And with a glance away from the sickening sights of excess before your eyes, you saw he was still alone upon the hill, watching the path of the wind through the branches hanging above his ehad.

So he shall be the first you approach, and see if your read of him was correct, and if true wisdom and knowledge lay behind those youthful blue eyes of his. Walking up the hill with ease, the old man, with hair as white as fresh fallen snow does not acknowledge your presence. Even as you take a seat next to him, crossing your legs over each other and looking into the same patch of sky as he does, he does not react at all. His lips move slightly, as if he's wordlessly whispering, shifting his head like a birds as he looks up at the shifting branches over his head.

"Grandfather Guozhi, what do you see from beneath your tree?" You ask after a few minutes of observing him, realizing he is doing what you often do, and cataloguing the knowledge before him. Slower than you are able to, much slower, but its more than any of the fattened swing calling themselves men here can claim.

He turns to you, a sour look on his face, bright blue eyes piercing through you. His hair is tied into a bun at the back of his head, and his nails are cut short, unusual for a man of wisdom like himself. He says nothing for a long time, merely watching you quietly
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>>4516794

then he smiles, in the gentle manner of a grandfather, before he turns to look at the celebrants caught in the debauched festival.

"Under the heavens, decay" He says simply, his eyes slowly rising to peer at the sky "Above the earth, limitless potential. Young fellow, it is an oddity to find one still interested in the deeper meanings of life, especially among such company"

"I can say the same to you, venerated grandfather" You say returning his smile "You've passed my test, I see I was correct in thinking you were one of the wise"

He pours himself a cup of tea and takes a sip.

"I am merely not blinded by this earthly existence, it is meaningless to the truth of the universe. Our bodies are vessels of something far greater, that is rebirthed again and again to repeat the play of life" He says serenely, not a hint of fear in his voice as men often have when they speak of their inevitable demise "Until our true selves learn to reject the illusion of it, many will never leave its cloying embrace to find true peace"

He set a simple clay cup before you, and poured you a share of his tea, before turning his gaze back upon your fellow men, frowning.

"Those who can see past the fog of mortal life, are so few in number, it is saddening, none of them walk the proper path, and so their inner selves, their spirits decay within their flesh, poisoned by excess, their very blood binding them, to be forever changing" He continues sorrowfully, as you take the offered tea and taste it, listening intently to the wisdom of the old man with eyes so young "They will never cast off their masks, and will forget their prior lives, never rising above the temporal plane to abandon their shifting ego. Will they return as mere vermin next life? Be born in poverty? or will they find their next mothers to be as affluent as they were in this life, who can say"

"It is, a truly saddening thought to be caught in a ever yet never changing cycle" You say, nodding thoughtfully as Guozhi turns to you, and blinks once

"Your spirit, it is newly forged, yet you have walked further along the path than any of these fools" He says, squinting as if he could see some hidden part of yourself that even you did not know of "So innately wise, you are truly blessed to see the reality of the world. Once, I was not a fool, and lived among others who walked the same road, but I have not been able to find them in their new lives since their temples and bodies burned"

He closes his eyes and sighs

"A tragedy, perhaps they have abandoned me here or given up the path" He says, a deeper sadness than before crossing over his expression

What do you do, Lieren
> Try to comfort the old man
> Thank him for this knowledge and go greet Yin lei
>Ask where these temples stood before they were destroyed
> Offer him some of your own wisdom
> Write in?
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>>4516795
> Thank him for this knowledge and go greet Yin lei
> Offer him some of your own wisdom
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>>4516795
>Ask where these temples stood before they were destroyed
> Offer him some of your own wisdom
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>>4516795
> Offer him some of your own wisdom
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>>4516795
>>Ask where these temples stood before they were destroyed
lets rebuild this shit
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>>4516795
> Try to comfort the old man
>Ask where these temples stood before they were destroyed
> Offer him some of your own wisdom
> Thank him for this knowledge and go greet Yin lei

I mean, it's not like we have a time limit...
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>>4516817
True enough. If we can do all four then go for it, but if pushed for time I'll vote for
> Try to comfort the old man
>Ask where these temples stood before they were destroyed
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>>4516795
> Try to comfort the old man
> Offer him some of your own wisdom
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>>4516795
>Ask where these temples stood before they were destroyed
>> Offer him some of your own wisdom
>> Write in?
>>>4516797 # >>4516801 # >>4516802 # >>4516807 # >>4516817 # >>4516853 #
>...Anonymous (ID: z9E0JKy5)
>11/01/20(Sun)16:27:01 No.4516797
>>>4516795 #
>Thank him for this knowledge and go greet Yin lei
>Offer him some of your own wisdom
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>>4516795
>It does not do to dwell upon the woes of the past, Wise One. A soul is born new, perhaps in some faraway land, or perhaps locked into the struggle of poverty that plagues so many in this world. But just because they are not here does not mean your work must end. These...people before you are easily led about by their vices, and with guidance might yet awaken to find themselves already upon the Path. And yet, even if they will not listen to your wisdom, I would.
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>>4516795
>> Thank him for this knowledge and go greet Yin lei
We can search the old man again and talk to him about this.let's meet n greet the other three minds we have approved of and form our future circle.
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>>4516795
> Thank him for this knowledge and go greet Yin lei
> Offer him some of your own wisdom
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>>4516795
>> Try to comfort the old man
>> Offer him some of your own wisdom
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>>4516795
> Offer him some of your own wisdom
> Thank him for this knowledge and go greet Yin lei
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>>4516817
Support
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> Try to comfort the old man
>Ask where these temples stood before they were destroyed
> Offer him some of your own wisdom
> Thank him for this knowledge and go greet Yin lei
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These four virtuous souls are just aspects of the 4chaos gods sent to tempt us.
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>>4517113
What makes you think that?
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>>4517120
Wise man in blue, Warrior general in the colours of two gods, graceful soldier in pink-red.

It doesn't take a genius to see the connections and how they conveniently line up, but I think this is just a bit of paranoia.
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>>4517113
Even if they are the ruinous powers absolutely have good aspects that never get focus and are instead remembered for the all the bad aspects they represent. Like for example Khorne is wanton violence incarnate but is also honor and justice overall being a figure of masculinity. Tzeentch is a backstabbing prick that likes to inflict random mutations for shits and giggles but is also hope, luck, and knowledge overall representing change for good or bad. So far we seem to be caught between Tzeentch and Khorne if the Chaos gods are actually watching.
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>>4517122
Hm I mean we should keep it in mind I guess, I doubt any actual chaos taint will last if they get involved with us though
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>>4516795
> Try to comfort the old man
> Offer him some of your own wisdom
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>>4517193
Of course. It's probably paranoia......but all the same, we should keep a watchful eye in case the paranoid are right.
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>>4517138
The simple reason no one focuses on their posative sides is that it is always, 100% subverted or corrupted by the bad. These warp entitys look at living things as food and entertainment, theres no hope for reasoning with them.
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By the way, OP, we've hit bump limit, so you may want to make and link a new thread.
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>>4517237
Op shouldn't do that at all, since the thread is going to take a solid 9 to 15 days to die. That's a lot of thread left to go.
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>>4516795
>Thank him for this knowledge and go greet Yin lei
>Offer him some of your own wisdom
>>4517113
I really doubt it, if chaos is so strong here that every single god has agents openly wearing their colors among the ruling class, this planet is beyond fucked and we'd probably see warp things mucking about
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>>4517377
Chaos is currently at it’s lowest point after the clusterfuck that was the Age of Strife. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were.
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Calling the vote and counting

Thank him and greet Yin lei:9
Offer him your own wisdom:14
Ask where the temples stood:6
Try to comfort him:7

Alright. Since thanking him has enough votes (over half of the total) and can be combined with Offering him your own wisdom, I'll combine it with offering him your own wisdom.

So Lieren will give Guozhi wisdom in exchange for wisdom, then thank him and go find Yin lei

Writing the update now
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>>4517442
Why not combine all of them? There were no arguments against doing so.
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>>4517448
cause two of them didn't get enough votes for me to include them? I combine choices if the ones with less votes are half the total or more, or one vote away from being half. Or they're equal and can be combined anyways.
That's how I've been doing it so far.
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>>4517456
So you don’t want more discussion?
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>>4517478
???
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>>4517478
Chill. at least QM has stated what it takes for something to get in.
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>>4517478
Lulwut?
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>>4517478
No.
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>>4517478
>cope
>seethe
>dilate
>all of the above
You get to choose your next action from the list above. Best part is that it isn't a vote. Whichever one you want is the one you do.
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>>4517478
What the fuck are you on about newfag? Be thankful he even works half the shit he does into things.
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>>4517481
>>4517491
>>4517492
>>4517510
Not being hostile just pointing out that in a lot of quests that discussion doesn’t happen because discussion doesn’t matter as much as votes do (which is why some people vote and leave until the next update). Some of the really old quests don’t even use voting rather they used general consensus and whatever ideas the players came up with that didn’t conflict.
Also it’s difficult to gauge how he’s counting votes. Especially in this clusterfuck of a vote.
I also think the whole “half the votes” is kind strange to do on /qst/, I’ve seen it done on other sites but not on this site.
Guess I shouldn’t put it in as a loaded question like that and should have been more clear.
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>>4517555
As it came off, it was "Don't do it that way, or we're never going to talk again and you wouldn't want that" sorta thing. I'd call it a none threatening threat if I had to describe it.
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You ponder Guozhi's words, and the sorrow within his eyes. He speaks of life as an endless cycle to be escaped, as mortal life as something every soul lives through multiple times, maybe even into eternity. That all earthly pleasures and hardships are merely chains to bind all who live to the temporal plane, and thus there is no meaning behind either. It is an interesting concept, repeated reincarnations and gaining knowledge to understand your existence so you may distance yourself from and eventually free yourself from it, and all the joys and sorrows that come with a mortal life. Is that the end goal of all wisdom? of all knowledge? to leave your mortal vessel behind and leave the world?

An interesting thought to be sure, one that would remain within your thoughts for sometime, as you ponder the true meaning of what Guozhi spoke of and the consequences of such a concept being true, if it were. And what he meant when he referred to you as having a young soul. For the first time in you short life, you felt confusion. It was an almost alien feeling to you. To exist forever, beneath new masks and names, it was an easy concept to imagine by a hard one to grasp. Yet, the youthfulness in Guozhi's eyes, lent truth to the possibility, however small it may be.

"Fascinating, fascinating" You speak, breaking the silence that had fallen over the two of you, the old sage watching you ponder his wisdom, not lending a helping hand or direction but rather letting you figure it out yourself "So, you claim the lives we lead are a falsehood, meant to blind us to reality with their illusions and distractions"

"Clever, clever" He says with a grin and a single nod, refilling your tea cup with fresh tea "See, it is like this, you are the cup, the tea is your current life, as you live it cools and lessens, only to be refilled as it comes to its ends. The cup remains, but what fills it changes. reverse it, and you have the truth of existence"

"I see, I see" You say, rubbing your chin, understanding the concept of the cycle of reincarnation and rebirth a bit more readily now "Or it is like an actor, changing rolls, swapping out the masks and clothes they wear! or a jackal shedding its winter coat for that of summer, or a seed that when planted grows a different crop every seasons"

"Exactly!" Guozhi shouts, youthful energy and excitement blazing in his eyes "Exactly, it is exactly as you say, oh wise young soul, ALL of this is a mere play, a distraction, as I said, but most would laugh at the thought or no understand the true meaning of my words, that the roles we live now, will one day be replaced by another as they had replaced their prior lives, and the only way to break free of this endless cycle"

"Is enlightenment, knowledge and virtue? to break the illusion of your existence, yes? by becoming distant to it in life" You ask as Guozhi merely continues smiling and nods "Across lives, that is the path you speak of"
cont
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>>4517555
Text doesn’t convey intent or meaning that well, so no worries anon
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>>4517573

"I see I do not have much to teach you" the old man laughs, sipping his tea "though you have brought much brightness to this incarnations fading years, I am sure my next life will be emboldened, knowing they are not alone along the path yet"

It was odd, bizarre, yet somehow it brought a feeling of calm to your mind, thinking on Guozhi's philosophy, if it was true, you did not know, but the old scholar believed it himself, so you would not merely brush it aside as nonsense. There were wisdom and truths in his words, and on the pointlessness of temporal pleasures, you agreed with his words.

"Humble Lieren is glad to bring joy to one as wise as yourself, Grandfather Guozhi" You say genially, finishing your new serving of hot tea, steam rising as you tip it back to take the last drink from it "And I will offer my own wisdom, for you to ponder as I am that which you spoke to me"

Guozhi turns to you, silent and listening as he waited for you to share your own knowledge with him. Taking a moment to figure out what you could tell him that he would not already know, you find the words at a slightly slower pace than it usually takes for you to find answers to the questions and obstacles posed to you in life. But you find what to say within moments and looking up at the clouds lazily drifting through the air.

"Knowledge is never truly lost, so long as one remembers it, men are not forgotten so long as the footprints they leave continue to make paths and roads for those after them" You say, setting your borrowed cup back in front of the wiseman "Nothing ever truly fades, nothing is ever truly lost, for it has existed and in the pond of life, the ripples it creates continues outwards into existence endlessly. Even if every text is burned and scholar hung, wisdom will exist in the changes it has wrought, even if it is within one mere village or life. If a kingdom is ground to naught but dust and ash, its legacy will live on in the land. Merely occurring, existing, living or teaching is enough to leave a permanent mark on the pages of history, even if it is unremembered. for every action taken effects the whole of reality"

Guozhi opened his eyes as you continued.

"Whether for good or ill, like the movement of the wind, even the smallest actions can cause the greatest of impacts, as the gentle breeze becomes the raging storm" You continue, speaking at a serene pace "Thus our actions shape the world and future we leave for those who come after us, even if they are forgotten or never recorded in the first place, even if every sage is burned or bladed shattered or hill flattened, the legacy they leave is felt by the entirety that remains"

Guozhi strokes his beard as you finish, nodding and agreeing with the words you've spoken to him.
cont
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>>4517530
It’s like I’m in a /tg/ thread discussing politics. First time being told to dilate so I guess thanks for that.
>>4517541
> Be thankful he even works half the shit he does into things.
>remembers the good old days of calling Soma double potato nigger kike
Times have truly changed. Now all you have to be is slightly confrontational with the QM and everyone gets their panties in a bunch.
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>>4517576

"Wise words from a wise soul, Lieren, one day I would like to meet you again and further discuss this wisdom and other cores of philosophical thought" He says, noticing you're moving to leave his company, clasping his hands and bowing as you do the same.

"I shall ponder this wisdom, that you've so generously shared" He adds as you begin down the hill, before you turn to face his wizened face one last time.

"I thank you graciously, for the knowledge you have imparted upon me, wise grandfather" You say, bowing your head in respect and Guozhi laughs

"Raise your head young soul, for we are all equal under the heavens" He says, joyous now instead of sorrowful as he had been when you joined him "We shall meet again, even if I must travel all of Shangrala to meet you once more"

"And I promise the same, wise elder" You say, turning back to the festivities, seeing Yin lei has torn himself from his obnoxious and noxious company to sit by the carp pond you had seen the guard practicing by. He's cleaning his sword in its waters, sharpening its blade as you approach him.

Of course reaching him is quite the challenge, as guests gather around you or try to pull you into their hedonisms . Groping touching, prodding and pestering. It is only due to your great force of will and ability to control yourself that you do not strike the offenders or far worse.

Eventually, you make your way across the courtyard, the revelers returning to their earthly delights and sinful pleasures as you approach Yin from behind.

He turns, noticing you despite your utterly silent approach.

"The goldened eye'd giant" he says simply, his unscarred eye narrowing as he set his blade down on the grass next to him "So you've finally sought me out? I've been expecting you to come to me since you caught my observation of you. What do you want with this old general? From my understanding you are a farmer, we live in different worlds, so why would you seek me out then?"

You clasp your hands together, Yin Lei's lip twitches along his scar and he stands, returning the gesture.

"Well come on, I know you can speak, the slug Gao spoke with you, did he not?" he asks coldly, without any respect or politeness "I can tell already if it were out of bloodlust I would not be speaking now, and it isn't to drag me to view more disgusting displays of wealth, you are not the sort, for you sat alone and in contemplation instead of indulging, so tell me, Iron haired giant, what purpose do you seek me"

Why do you seek him, Lieren
> he is a kindred soul in a sea of rot
> Knowledge and stories of his victories
> To see if he is the man you think he is
> An ally among rats
>write in?
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>>4517555

>>4517555
I go down thread and count each choice individually, including supporting votes and ignoring ones where the voter has switched their vote.

I then repeat this for the same choice, reading every reply until I'm certain I've got the correct number of votes, then I go back and repeat it for the other choices, recounting if I think I've missed any votes and making sure I don't count the same voter twice.

As for discussion comments, they haven't been a general consensus or even talking about the choice at hand.

And of doing all four choices in the last voting round, only 3 anons voted to do so, no where near a consensus. I do however read every piece of discussion so I'm not ignoring them, so if like everyone says "Lets do this thing this way or in this order" I'll put it in the update.

I hope this explains how I count votes and make the updates, to clear any confusion
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>>4517581
>To see if you are the man I suspect, a soul apart from those others here. If you would excuse this humble giants entreaty, I have a question for you.
>What can you see from this Carp pond?
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>>4517581
>he is a kindred soul in a sea of rot
Mood kindred...
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>>4517581
> To see if he is the man you think he is
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>>4517581
>> To see if he is the man you think he is
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>>4517581
> To see if he is the man you think he is
A straightforward man needs a straightforward answer.
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>>4517593
Mood Kindred
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>>4517592
Sure I’ll go with this. Might as well make it a running theme.
>>4517591
Also do votes like this >>4516867 trip you up.
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>>4517592
Support
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Hey, i wonder, since the wise old man clearly some sort of buddhist-like belief, are each of the four wise souls going to perhaps be some kind of major system from china?

You know, maybe the general will be some kind of stand-in for legalism or something.
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>>4517614
eh, maybe. The general I think is just going to be the army stand in while the woman is the politics player. Not any particular ideology, just members of those worlds.
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>>4517614
Taoism is certainly going to be interesting since it’s the foundation of Chinese sorcery and immortal cultivation.
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>>4517620
I would have guessed Taoism would be the one that the soldier would be a stand-in for, since he's the one "going with the flow" (of the carps)
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>>4517601
I think it'd make a good running theme, but the real reason is to see how much of a man is a thinker, how much he dislikes or accepts the displays [which his words have already given away] and fish for any potential information. Like "You're as empty headed as the tantan monks of the wuwu mountains"
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>>4517601
Yes, but not as much as you'd think. See if you look it over it's pretty clear that the first reply to the update to the second, its all just a sloppy copy and paste that the anon didn't notice. As the three votes there are in order and include a write in? with nothing after it, and the bunch of replies after, the anonymous and IP string and date just make it more obvious.

After the 2nd reply to the update is the actual vote. its quite easy to understand if you take a second to study it.

But I also almost didn't include it until I sat down to look at it, cause it was a pain to understand at first
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>>4517581
>> To see if he is the man you think he is
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>>4517600
>>4517593
I have finally found you
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>>4517581
> To see if he is the man you think he is
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>>4517629
https://www.artstation.com/fenghuazhong
Here’s a chinese artist you can shamelessly steal images from.
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>>4517680
But anon, if the qm starts using images now, what would we do once we got to the point where emps arrived and we went to SPAYS to fight with the SPAYS MAHREENS

It's not like we've got art of our legion or even kung fu marines.
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>>4517697
https://youtu.be/N9qn0vXI_pA
Here’s what I think.
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>>4517581
> To see if he is the man you think he is
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>>4517581
>To see if he is the man you think he is
When he ask what that is
>a kindred soul in a sea of rot
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Calling the vote and counting.

What do you see from the carp pond:3
Kindred in a sea of rot:2
To see if he is the man you think he is:7

A simple answer for a simple question, asking Yin lei if he's the man you think he is wins.
writing the update

>>4517680
yo that's that good shit
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"Why my good fellow, I merely wanted to see if you are the man I suspect you to be" You say, as he looks at you with as eye's as empty as a dolls. What has he seen to snuff out the spark in his eyes? What horrors upon the field of war have washed all emotion from his eyes so cleanly. They reveal nothing to you, such is their emptiness. He is one of the few who is able to meet your gaze without turning away, besides Jiang, Feng, Your father Wenyan and the Worm of Gao.

"So forgive this humble man for his entreaty, but, are you man I believe you to be?" You continue, stepping closer to him as his expression remains written as it was when you first approached him, unchanging and cold, as if he stood before a winter storm and refused to so much as budge.

"What man do you believe me to be?" He questions back, his voice as sharp as a knife's edge, anger flashing through his expression as if the question as offended him, but the emotion never reaches his eyes "The unbroken Thunder's howl? the undefeated Black general of Yan? A glorious hero from the fields of battle, who all other tacticians seek advice in return for respect, titles weighing upon his shoulders as his fame grows bloated like a maggot in a corpse, of whom all under the heaven fear to meet upon the field, such is his tactical brilliance"

His expression soured, a snarl beneath his greying black beard before he turned to you again, his voice dripping with self loathing now.

"Or do you believe me to be a third son who has risen above his station? The fool who sows corpses upon fields like seeds, who has spent the lives of thousands upon thousands of young men for his masters like a loyal dog, and soaked the earth with the blood of countless Yan, Vishnu, Shuni and Bask" He hissed, poisoning himself with his own words, closing his empty eyes as he grimaced "The celebrated butcher, who earns accolades and status upon the corpses of so many piled beneath him to be a mountain of bones and blood"

"Do you see in me, the legend of war, the Heroic son of Yin ever ascending ?" He asks, his voice frigid and serious as he peers into your golden eyes with his eyes of mud "Or, within me do you see an old man who has led so many to an early grave, who has the stain of crushing a "Rebellion" of peaceful monks whose only act of resistance was to return to their burning temples, and yet all cheered his name even then! Forgetting the price paid with every victory won and that upon his hands the blood of Innocent men had been spilt"

Oh, seems his hatred for himself run a little deeper than you anticipated, the past haunts the general deeply, it seems. What a poor soul, to carry the weight of so many deaths and sins upon his shoulders and be praised for each and every one.
cont
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>>4517760
Damn. One vote off.
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>>4517803

"Well giant, what do you see within me then" He asks calmly, a serene element to his tone after his outburst, and a satisfied smirk upon his lips as if he was glad he found someone he could speak his mind about himself to "What the fools who have never tasted the horrors of war see, or what the man who creates such horrors at the bidding of his masters sees within his own reflection, or perhaps"

He puckers his lips chuckling like an amused child.

"You see something else within me, something good perhaps" he laughs, confident you alone can hear his self deprecating rant and raving "That'd be amusing"

What do you see, Lieren?
> A man in need of redemption, who knows he needs to be redeemed
>A far wiser and honest man than any other in this courtyard
> A father morning his sons lost upon the field of war, numbering thousands upon thousands
>Someone in the need of a friend, who can understand him
>Write in?
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>>4517760
https://www.artstation.com/yangqi917
Also I suggest Feng Zhu.
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>>4517806
>a man far wiser and honest than any further in this courtyard. A man who mourns his sons and a man whom needs a friend to speak without judgement or betrayal.
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>>4517806
>A far wiser and honest man than any other in this courtyard
> A father morning his sons lost upon the field of war, numbering thousands upon thousands

^ mix these into something like this bottom one.

> A Father born of wisdom and the lost of thousands of his sons.
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>>4517806
>A far wiser and honest man than any other in this courtyard
Other options seem a bit to sappy for a primarch, and this guy needs more than a good hug.
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>>4517815
Support
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>>4517806
>A far wiser and honest man than any other in this courtyard
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>>4517815
I like this, support
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>>4517806
>A far wiser and honest man than any other in this courtyard
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>>4517806
>A far wiser and honest man than any other in this courtyard
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>>4517815
something like this +1
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>>4517815
>>4517810
Sure, support.
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>>4517815
Perhaps:
>A wise and honest father of his men, mourning the deaths of thousands of sons lost on the fields of war and plagued by the question of if the only path was that so many had to die.
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>>4517891
were kinda assuming a bit but something like that lol
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>>4517891
Bonus note to this one: anyone who wants to listen in will be thinking that last part refers to just his men, while in truth we include his regrets over the monks (blood off innocent men and all that).
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>>4517893
oh my bad actually didnt understand last part at first
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>>4517896
Yeah, figure it is a good addition once you get the double meaning, and it lets him know we were paying attention to all the stuff he said.

Second to last paragraph here for those that missed it:
>>4517803
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>>4517806
>A far wiser and honest man than any other in this courtyard
with a touch of
> A father morning his sons lost upon the field of war, numbering thousands upon thousands
He has heard praise before. the latter statement would be one of weakness in this court, but it is a different kind of honesty then the first one, one that he needs.
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All right calling the vote and counting.

A wise man:11
A mourning father: 8

Alright, so I'll combine the two since the mourning father choice got enough votes to, and all of them combine it with the Wise man anyways!

Writing the update now
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You look into the hollows where his eyes should be, for despite physically retaining them, any joy, love, affection, sorrow, pain or fear had left them, leaving them as if they were lakes dried by drought. Empty things, tormented things. How many had ignored the tortures of this man and called it glory. How much suffering had his hand commanded, and how much did his actions return upon him. A tragedy built into the shape of his man. You were right, he was not a monster like the rest, though to his own eyes he had been forced to play the role of a devil.

Out of loyalty for the Yan, and his reward? To be told time and time again that the sorrows his hands had created were glorious, that they were just, that they were right. He was, a bird of your flock, doomed to walk amongst those who had naught but scorn for empathy and wisdom, it would seem. The moment before you answer him, the two of you stand there like that, two men who love their fellow man, but must remain silent to the atrocity and torments worked upon them. A fateful meeting, some may call it, but both of you had scouted and tracked the other out before then. It was not fate, it was by your design that you met here today by the carp pond.

"What do I see you as? Yin Lei, the broken yet unbowed Thunder's Howl" You say confidently, flashing your teeth as you grin at him, friendly speaking upon his level, not talking up to him nor beneath him, but as simply another fellow man "He who has not fallen to decadent depravity, A father born of wisdom and the loss of thousands of his sons, and far worse tragedies still"

And then his eyes show emotion, at first confusion, then joyful realization as he sees that before him stands a fellow man of virtue who has not yet sold his heart to the wiles of excess and wealth.

"Strange, so those eyes of gold are not blinded by wealth" He snorts, amused now "Is that all the reason you came to me? to see you were right in that guess of yours? that I was not a bloated fool like the others, is that truly the only reason you sought me out? For the answer to that question any man with eyes could see"

"As I speak to one, I know one, it was merely to confirm my suspicions, oh blackened general" You say crossing your arms, your grin shrinking to a satisfied smirk "Of the virtue of your soul, and you have not disappointed me"

"But why would you care farmer? Seeking a friend among generals? a step ladder to the army? or was it truly simple curiosity that drove you to corner me like this?" Lei asks, crossing his arms himself "I doubt you have done this on anyone's orders but your own, Let alone that fat slug Gao's, but I do not see why, you would be so concerned about the properties of another man's hearts, if not for some gain, be it selfish or selfless, so enough formalities, why did you seek me out, why did you need to see for your own eyes if I was the kind of man you thought I was at a mere glance? Why Farmer? Why?"
cont
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>>4518023
How do you answer, Lieren?
> You shall see. remember my name, Lei, I am Lieren, and when you hear that name shouted to the heavens, you shall have your answer
> An end to decay and corruption, and that is all I can say now. Will you aid me? When the time comes?
> These gold eyes of mine can tell with one look if a man will be useful to my ends, and my goal is the prosperity for Yan and all its people
> *Laugh* That which has been taken from this world, remains in the hearts and minds of the living, and the actions they will cause. Until we meet again, general
> write in

Apologies for the somewhat short update
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>>4518023
> *Laugh* That which has been taken from this world, remains in the hearts and minds of the living, and the actions they will cause. Until we meet again, general
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>>4518025
> *Laugh* That which has been taken from this world, remains in the hearts and minds of the living, and the actions they will cause. Until we meet again, general
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>>4518025
>> *Laugh* That which has been taken from this world, remains in the hearts and minds of the living, and the actions they will cause. Until we meet again, general
And don't forget to tell him our name before we try and track down the other two.
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>>4518025
>> An end to decay and corruption, and that is all I can say now. Will you aid me? When the time comes?
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>>4518025
>> *Laugh* That which has been taken from this world, remains in the hearts and minds of the living, and the actions they will cause. Until we meet again, general
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>>4518025
> *Laugh* That which has been taken from this world, remains in the hearts and minds of the living, and the actions they will cause. Until we meet again, general, fare thee well.
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>>4518025
>> An end to decay and corruption, and that is all I can say now. Will you aid me? When the time comes?
Also give him our name, as >>4518033 said.
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> *Laugh* That which has been taken from this world, remains in the hearts and minds of the living, and the actions they will cause. Until we meet again, general
> Between "actions they will cause" and "Until we meet again, general", add "This is true whether in current lives, past lives, or future lives. Whether with the highest lords and generals, or the lowest farmers and soldiers."

Hey, why not work in the old man's philosophy?
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>>4518025
> *Laugh* That which has been taken from this world, remains in the hearts and minds of the living, and the actions they will cause. Until we meet again, general
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>>4518047
Specifically, add the old man's philosophy because the guy, despite not falling to hedonism, is focused extremely on this life and seems to have fallen into 'death is the end' sort of deal. Might give him a degree of hope.

Him potentially thinking we approached him because of us being a reincarnation of someone under his command who felt drawn to him is just a bonus.

>>4518033
Though yeah, give him our name somewhere as well.
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>>4518047
you make a good point. At some point, either now or in the future we should ask people of a certain caliber (at the very least the old man) for a personal possession so we might seek them out in their next life.

>I think that's how they find the next Buddha
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Actually I’ve been wondering. Would it be possible to create a something like a world spirit through burial rites? I know the Chinese have some unique beliefs about being burials.
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>>4518025
> *Laugh* That which has been taken from this world, remains in the hearts and minds of the living, and the actions they will cause. Until we meet again, general
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>>4518061
Doesn't Fenris and Chogoris have some weird human version of world spirits? Kinda hard to tell because of the superstitions of their people.

I assumed they were actually maiden worlds that got conquered during the DAoT
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>>4518025
> You shall see. remember my name, Lei, I am Lieren, and when you hear that name shouted to the heavens, you shall have your answer
> *Laugh* That which has been taken from this world, remains in the hearts and minds of the living, and the actions they will cause. Until we meet again, general
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Eh I don't see why we suddenly have to peddle the old mans goods from just one meeting with him lol
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>>4518023
>Is it not to my gain the confirmation that another soul is yet still stalwart in spite of the depravities and horrors before them? Now I know for certain that you will act if not on what you believe is right than what you believe is necessary, and this by your own words and not deciphering regurgitated fawnings of courtiers who wish to placate lords.
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>>4518082
Yeah, might seem a bit pushy too from the general's perspective. Just leave it at giving hope for now, we can talk to him about proper philosophy later. Though this is 40/30k, who knows how that'll turn out.
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>>4518082
we saw truth in what he said?
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>>4518103
In the post when we talked to the old man we didn't deny or agree with it, I'm not opposed to being philosophical but let's not force it in
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Calling the vote and counting it

*Laugh*:9
An end to decay:2
Old man wisdom:1
You shall see:1
is it not my gain:1

Laughing and being somewhat vague wins!
also while I was counting, an question came to my mind.

Which of Lieren's brothers are you most excited to see his interactions with?

Anyways, writing the update
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>>4518114
Horus, Russ, Magnus and Lorgar.

I wish to know what they see both under the heavens and beyond them.
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>>4518114
Vulkan
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>>4518114
Rogal Dorn
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>>4518114
Lorgar for the philosophical arguments. After that probably Jahghatai for the China vs Mongols and the Lion for general loyalty and honour feats, plus the warrior aspect.
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>>4518114
Temujin err... Jaghatai.

Because i am certain we are going to have issues with the mongol exception. and we are going to be the sage king of legend of the kingdom he had to fight.
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>>4518114
Mortarion and Roboute
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In response, you merely laugh, tilting your head back as the deep bellows of amusement break the silence between you and general yin, like the ringing of a gong or pounding of a drum or the gallop of a herd horse. Like all your laughs, it is true and very loud, echoing and full of mirth and joy. Smiling genially, warmth flooding your face as you look back into the generals eyes, squinting as you did so. And answered him, still grinning as you did.

"That which has been taken from the world, remains in the hearts and minds of the living" You say simply, as Yin Lei's face flashes with momentary confusion at your words "And the actions they will cause, until we meet again, general"

"And what is that supposed to mean?" He asks as you turn to leave him, stopping mid stride to listen to what he has to say about your words "I wanted a straight answer, not poetic vagaries from the mouth of a farmer, why did you seek me out?"

"One day, the meaning of those words will come to you, Yin Lei, and you will make a choice" You reply with a shrug of your shoulders "That is why I sought you out, so you may know you can still change the path you walk down, even so late into your life. That is all"

He sighed, his shoulders slumping as he scratched his beard, brow furrowed and in deep thought. He shook his head.

"If you were any older I'd say you were one the monks of Dai, who fled from blaze that consumed them and their temples" He says with a smirk, studying you once again "But even if you were, for two survivors to gather in the same courtyard, would be rarer than seeing a dragon among swine, yet you speak as they did when they still lived. With quiet wisdom, will you tell me what my choice will be, Giant? Or is it to remain a mystery until the moment"

"I can't see the future, I simply can tell you will have a choice that will decide how you are remembered, perhaps when you next meet me, you will have already made it" You say, clapping your hands together and bowing "I suspect the memories of your "Sons" will help in the decision when it comes, but in the end the choice is yours and yours alone, I plead for you to remember this encounter, General"

"Exactly like the monks from Dai, you seem to enjoy causing confusion as much as you would enlightenment" He says, grinding his teeth in annoyance "But I shall, if only to find meaning behind the words you have spoken to me. Tell me, Farmer, what is your name"

"I am called Lieren" You say, bowing as you turn to find Qian Xia, the lady in red, the guard will come last, as he will be the most difficult to track down.

"Hah, now I know the name to curse for this befuddling riddle you've forced upon me" Yin Lei chuckles as he turns back to the carp pond, sitting down "At least I already am kept up at night by the past, so I will not have to worry about it depriving me of sleep"
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>>4518137

"May tomorrow find you well, general" You say as you fully leave his presence and step back into the sea of filth, being swallowed by the sights, sound and smells, you cannot understand how the revelers aren't overwhelmed by it all, it is far too much in every way. They still haven't ran out of food, a realization that bristles your back and nearly sends you into a rage, before you swallow it down and lock it way by pacing and slowing your breaths.

It works, though for how much longer you can endure the travesty continuing before your eyes, you cannot tell. You will have to hurry lest you risk an outburst when your self control fails and you meditative methods can no longer hold back you burning rage they have held back since you've set off on the journey to this thrice damned castle with the fool Ling. All of it, the sea of bodies, the mountains of half eaten food, the puddles of alcohol, the herds of terrified servants and entertainers, all of it is a sign of decay most foul, and every moment you spend having to move among it sickens you. Like wading through a river of manure, walking up a hill of excrement.

You felt dirty merely watching the celebrations, supposedly held in your "honor" But walking through it, you felt befouled. All you wished for was a cold shower of rain so you may wash off any lingers remnants from this disgusting display of decadence. It felt as if your skin was trying to crawl off of your body merely being surround by such wasteful oppulence.

But you found the lady in red, fanning herself as a pair of guards pulled a man from a mangled body upon the ground, his eyes mad with rage and hers with the pride of victory. Seems a soul had fallen out of the webs she weaves, and another will follow them soon. The noise around you is such that you didn't even hear the murder. None of the guests who had witnessed the man being beaten to death seem at all concerned by it.

You will have to be cautious in your approach of a flower with as many thorns as Qian has along her stem.

How do you approach Qian Xia, Lieren?
> Simply walk up to her and ask what led to such a violent outburst
> Walk by and whisper "I see the webs you weave, scarlet spider"
> Strike up a conversation and mention you are to be named administrator of the lands of Gao
> Make her come to you, by standing out from those around you purposefully
> write in?
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>>4518138
> Simply walk up to her and ask what led to such a violent outburst
Straight to the point. She's cute to them, but shes just another person.
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>>4518138
>> Simply walk up to her and ask what led to such a violent outburst
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>>4518138
>>4518140
Kind of true. Primarchs and astartes are kind of asexual by design. They will appreciate the aesthetic but not the erotism that will pass straight by them.
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>>4518144
Unless you're a post heresy Emperor's Children, assuming that will be the future we have to deal with.
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>>4518114
10000% Lorgar
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>>4518138
>> Simply walk up to her and ask what led to such a violent outburst
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>>4518138
>Simply walk up to her and ask what led to such a violent outburst
>>4518114
Magnus and guilliman would probably love us
Lorgar would probably sperg out at the very idea of us
I imagine russ would think us a pussy or something
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>>4518114
Fucking hell refreshed my tab on accident.
Conrad because I like the Batman theme and for a fact that he probably genuinely wants to do good. He'd probably do better if he wasn't so autistic.
Perterabo because he's a bit underrated and I think he needs a bro to talk to.
Agron because fuck my heart he needs that brain surgery.
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Hey I thought of a way to bond with our need for speed bro. Maybe we could share kumis? It's an alcoholic beverage made of horse milk.
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>>4518146
I think it would be funny that our world will prepare us for civil war and all its betrayal and shifting loyalties bulshit. It would be even funnier that we get purged because we are manoeuvering as a potential civil war might spark.
And when emps is on the golden toilet ghost us stays nearby and goes 'See! I told you so! But noo! Preparing for it will spark it!'
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>>4518154
Not if we give him a good fight and lead badass armies.

Asian warfare was with armies in the hundred thousands or millions depending on the wars even tough ancient.
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>>4518138
> Simply walk up to her and ask what led to such a violent outburst
We might have a violent outburst ourselves at the rate this is going.

>>4518159
Hope we don't end up like that one Ultramarine before Calth. But we'll probably be doing something a lot more serious to warrant wiping us from existence.
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>>4518138
>Approach her.
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>>4518138
>> Simply walk up to her and ask what led to such a violent outburst
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>>4518114
Fulgrim, that narcissist putting purple and gold everywhere is going to bring up memories.
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>>4518180
If we can get past initial assumptions and rage induced PTSD to learn about his background, I think we will be more well disposed towards him.

His world was drab and joyless, he worked hard and gave art and life to his people. An admirable trait from our hunters point of view.
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>>4518138
> Simply walk up to her and ask what led to such a violent outburst
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>>4518138
> Simply walk up to her and ask what led to such a violent outburst
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>>4518114
I think i'd like to see him interact with Corvus Corax, if only for the fact that they're both leading a people's revolution that doesn't end with someone even worse in charge.
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>>4518250
Revolution is a bit much imho. I think we could do more with subversion and usurpation.
go full on politician general.
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>>4518263
How do you even do that when 99.9% of nobles are rotten hedonists who don't give a shit? Hoping we can find other virtuous souls that are also noble is not really the best plan, even if there are.

Really, what we want is to have an coup so to say, improve the villages until we reach a point where we're able to basically make a force that's better equipped (technologically) than even the lordly armies.
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>>4518273
pretty much. a soft coup if we can manage. a hard coup if we have to.

The sad reality is that we kind of need people like Ling for the state apparatus to function, especially if other learned men got put to the sword.
Reform is a slow process as even to grow your own cadre of tax collectors, judges, enforcers and officers takes time. Get some that are capable and have some notion that there is a limit to corruption as well as wanting to leave something behind when they die, and they will put the rest of the leeches to work at an acceptable level of corruption, as you can not actually eliminate that just limit it.

for them and nobles to be replaced we need one or two generations in power, so that we basically control the education of their replacements.
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>>4518277
Yeah, but the truth is that Ling like many others is a goddamn coward, so if he's told he'll be hanging from a tree if he tries to fuck over villages you can bet your ass he's not going to fuck over villages.

Basically, when it comes for the first generation, you just need to make sure the "corrupt, but cowardly" officials know that the blade is hanging over their necks.

And yeah, the education bit is important, you need people you can trust for that to instill hardline incorruptible people.
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>>4518284
incorruptable is an utopic dream that will fuck you over when you think you are relaxing.

reasonably corrupt. you know, corrupt with some sense of shame about the, that know about what they can be corrupt and what not.

missapropriating their lords funds/ misrepresenting their lord or the state. bad.
leveling additional taxes, bad.
taking the odd coin to hasten some procedures, or to green light the odd business here and there, fine.

its all about degrees and application. after all taxation in and of itself is nothing more than a protection racket. same thing, degree and application.

Instill in them some national spirit and some pseudo religious philosophy for a common value system from low to highborn and you are as good as you are going to get for human society.

Perfect only happens in dreams. when it happens in reality it is always forged with blood and always ends in tears.
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>>4518289
You know what i mean by incorruptable, i'm talking about the ideal chinese statesmen.

If scribe #3483484 wants to take five coins to allow an cock fight to happen, that's not really a problem.
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>>4518277
I've a method to deal with Ling.

We will have all our villages make a proper tally of the taxes, and then we go with Ling when he's coming to collect his next pickup. We then take his tally and the tally of our village, plus our own eyes, and find the difference. Then ask him if he would like to recount, and if he is satisfied with the number he's come to [that isn't all of what is owed], then he will make up the difference in pounds of flesh.

That coward will throw his plunder back on the pile so fast, it'll leave dust trails
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>>4518295
Interesting, though it would be wise to keep the reason for the second tally a secret to the villagers, maybe nothing wouldn't do it but there could be an village trying to fuck over their tax collectors if they knew.
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>>4518277
>Grow your own cadre of tax collectors, judges, enforcers and officers takes time

That s another thing to do when we return home. At least has a primarch we should have a teaching bonus. Guozhi should be well learned other than a wise man, we could ask his help on this.
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>>4518299
Mhmm. So keep the scolding of the tax collectors private where our reasoning cannot be heard.
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>>4518303
>>4518299
>>4518295

A percentual fee for collecting the taxes should be reasonable. Motivates the tax collector do cover more ground. As long as he is not cocking the books and he is accounting that fee, he should be golden. And I think a 5% fee should be more than generous if he also gets a stipend to live on. As always we are open to negotiate further increases and decreases of said fee based on his quality of service...

Especially since as administrator one could arguably encompass tax collection as well making us de facto his boss, especially with such juicy blackmail... enough to make us de jure his boss.
Once we have the purse strings, we then only need the military and enforcement control and we have pretty much usurped control of the whole province de facto - the one who pays you is after all your boss.

>>4518291
eh. I am somewhat lacking in knowledge about what the ideal Chinese statesman is. Or a lot about china that is not modern, general entertainment or meme.
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>>4518307
a 5% fee is fine because that's included in the taxes. But when you do as he does, which was to take what he wanted, then count the tribute, he'd get what he didn't count plus the 5%. Which is No beuno.
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>>4518114
Late response but I would definitely say Lion. Both of us spent our first days in the wild, but while we soon joined civilization of our own accord, Lion joined after years and because he was persuaded. Both of us our hunters, but while we seem more at home spiritually amongst man, Lion s more at home in the wilds. Lion hunts to exterminate the dangers of the wilds while we hunted to bring resources back to our people.
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>>4518307
Well I know a few things. For one Chinese courts have always been backstabby. Statesmen and nobles rarely are close to each since them working together is a threat to the Emperor’s power thus is generally discouraged. Really China was always one step from collapsing into ruin by design.
The way Chinese commit war is horrific due to the lengths they are willing to go for example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Suiyang
Don’t expect an ounce of humanity from your enemies on this world.
Also the wasteful in the palace is put to shame by historical China as well when an Empress wasted the entire Imperial treasury on a giant stone that literally serves no purpose but to look pretty.
Trust me when I say people like Gao are far from that worst thing actual historical China have suffered from.
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>>4518383
Pretty much this, how much do you want to bet that the court of the rulers of yan are going to make Gao look like an 11th century franciscan?

By 'ideal statesman' i meant the 'incorruptible, immovable wall' type though you know what i mean? those appeared every once in a while.
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>>4518383
huh. you know brother anon, mans inhumanity towards man is not something that shocks me or even the decandence and waste, but that one anecdote does it in a new and different way.
Bitch was so divorced from reality that she spend all the money on a fucking stone. Did she manage to pay the troops and the functionaries for the state to still rune after that or did she get the guillotine/firing line treatment?
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>>4518404
*Stone boat
It gets worse when you realize it was comissioned by the most successful Emperors and was based on the saying “the waters that float the boat can also capsize it” and all she did was restore and expand it with European architecture. It gets even worse when you realize the treasury didn’t have enough money so she embezzled from the Navy and adopted an admiral’s 4 year old son because she poisoned her husband with mercury (rendering him infertile) so she could rule from the shadows but needs a heir to continue ruling so she chose a child. It gets even worse when you realize she’s in her 70s and dies leaving the 4 year old to have to deal with the revolution that’s going on.
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>>4518394
If shangrala is really that bad then it's time for our own mini crusade. Just have to get a good forge going so we can make some more modern tech
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>>4518446
Wait until we find the Hindu equivalents.
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>>4518446
>Modern
That'll take too much time, it's not like we can just jury rig an industrial class assembly line.

We should focus on getting our villages to 16th century status, with steel armor and blackpowder weapons.
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>>4518454
The Fiki Fiki is not such a huge problem to have a ruler obsessed with. As long as your kings or emperors or whatever appetites do not fuck over the treasury to such a degree that it bankrupts the nation, they can be managed or ignored depending on situation.
>>4518465
Just getting a mass forge that can get all our dudes in steel plate and steel weapons should be enough.
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>>4518155
Man, imagine if the primarchs Perterabo gets along with best were the 2nd and 11th, who helped with his autism. Then every memory he has of them is wiped halfway through great crusade
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>>4518482
Wait this reminds me, if second got sent to a different show, what happened to the eleventh? Are we going to meet him?
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>>4518505
maybe he went to one of the other planets we could've chosen?
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>>4518517
I don't know, malal only stole one baby. Maybe we'll see the OG 11th primarch? If we're the third to be found then he'll still be around by then.
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https://www.gaia.com/article/do-hindu-texts-describing-the-flying-vimanas-also-detail-a-nuclear-war
Just some interesting details.
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>>4518522
I hope that we can help our brothers. Chaos is FR to crafty and farsighted to be unable to corrupt some of the primarchs, but if half are to fall, I just hope that we can plant the seed for them to crawl and scream out of Chaos' grasp overtime.
Also, since we were sent to a different planet, we might not be the 3rd to be found anymore. No way we will be the first, but I hope we can be the second. I really do not want to be too far down the line to interact with our brothers.
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>>4518723
Well anon, it's really doubtful that we'd be able to help the primarchs. The truth is, a lot of them ended up falling to chaos because of themselves as opposed to the wacky magic, with the only ones that aren't being the likes of fulgrim or magnus who just got tricked and ended up too far from the deep end to actually have any chance of coming back.
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>>4518723
Make it a point of essential importance to take a break from our crusading to meet all our brothers as they are discovered. The emperor may get annoyed, but fuck it, it's our perogative.
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>>4518728
Would be weird if we didnt desu
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>>4518734
We could argue that it's a point of extreme necessity that we establish our bond as kin extremely early so as to do everything in our power to deter our brothers from possibly falling to the Chaos. Yeah some of our brothers are still fucked no matter what, but we're not aware of that and that's still no reason not to try and uplift our kin.
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Alright, calling the vote and counting it up

Simply walk up to Qian Xia:9

And there was only one choice voted for! a first I think.

Anyways, writing the update
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Of course you don't fear being pricked by thorns, or enchanted by the beauty of any flower. It is a simple fact you are a different breed than they are, and while boldly approaching her will no doubt draw jealous stares and scornful eyes, there is also no doubt that any methods the envious owners of those eyes may try and employ to remove you from Qian Xia's radiant presence will be utterly unable to make you budge. As certain as you are that none of her methods or beauty will be effective on you.

While she is beautiful, that is merely a product of her birth, nothing special, and you have no interest in the rewards she hangs over the heads of her puppets, nor what could be gained from taking her hand in marriage. She is merely one who was born with an advantage, no doubt from her breeding. What truly interests you is her talent in manipulation, and that she seems to be setting the worst and most greedy elements of the nobility of Yan against each other. Out of a sense of justice? Or merely to survive? or to gain the benefits of their favor before discarding them?

Whatever the red woman's reasons for her actions, she is not as terrible as those she brings to ruin, and her talent in manipulation will prove useful in dealing with the social hierarchy and the courtly politics of the fattened nobility, for as long as they remain. Having her at your side, while painting a target upon your chest by all who desire her, is well worth the negligible risks those desperate men will pose to you. By your calculations, securing her aid if not her loyalty, will be far more beneficial than it will be detrimental.

With her skin as flawless as jade, she looks up to you as you step through the pool of blood in front of her, staining the soles of your feet scarlet. A silence falls as she glances up at you, with venomous green eyes, the color of a Mist Jackal's spittle. And there the two of you stand, alone in a parted sea of sin and diseases of the soul. She looks up at you, clicking her fan closed, a bored look on her face now. Neither of you step towards the other as she looks you up and down as if admiring a work of art.

Her snow white face, as if shaped from the finest porcelain, slowly changes expression as her eyes move up your broad chest, a smirk curling over her red dyed lips. Putting her closed fan against her chest, her eyes met your face and the smirk upon her face spread wider as she tilted her head to the left and then the right, as if she were searching for some imperfection upon your body. A birthmark, a scar, a burn or patch of misplaced hair, anything out of place. Like a hound breeder judging their latest litter at birth.
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>>4518724
True, but if we get a general reputation of getting along at least neutrally with all of them, we'd be a bit of a counterweight to Horus's 'only primarch liked by all the others' advantage he had at the start of the Heresy which could help delay the falls of some of them and form a bit of a more effective unifier of the loyalists.
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>>4518840

"The golden eyed Giant, escorted by one of Gao's pets, dressed in furs and standing like a heroic statue come to life and transmuted into flesh" She says, acting awed in both expression and tone, but you can tell it is merely an act she's putting on, to try and give you "hope" such a creature would be smitten with you at first sight. It would work on any normal man, but you are no mere man, you are of the primarch people.

It would be as foolish a kitten trying to court a fog panther.

"Greetings to you as Well, Lady Qian Xia" You say, clasping your hands together and bowing your head as she smirks, no doubt assured you have the same weakness of every man, judging from her relaxed body language and slightly narrowed eyes "I have come to you to ask, if you know the cause of that man's violent outburst just now"

She frowns, one of her eyebrows raising curiously, as if she can't believe you'd have more focus upon a murder than herself, not out of a vanity but from mere experience.

"He sought to court me, and saw me conversing with another man, his late rival as it were" She says sadly, trying to act the part of the meek, frightened girl to rile your protective instincts, trying to make herself seem smaller by huddling her arms close to her body and bending her knees as she slouched just enough to lower her height but not enough to ruin her posture "We were merely discussing the weather, but he flew into a rage unbefitting a man of his social standing and...and"

She glanced up at you, seeing that your expression hadn't changed from one of mild interest, not great show of concern or rage at her being so endangered. For she was not in any danger, from her planning and the man's mad attraction, you have no doubt that even if he had turned to attack her instead, she would have walked away without even the smallest of bruises.

"He pounced upon him, like a wild animal, and began to pound his head into the cobblestones, there was so much blood and and" She says, visibly getting annoyed that you aren't falling for the bait she has laid before you, of course no other man would notice it even if they were not enchanted by her beauty. its mostly in her eyes you see

"Oh I just didn't know what to do" she says, regaining her composure, pouting and shivering as she looks towards the guards as they drag the screaming and ranting noble towards the gates "I was frozen with fright, I've never seen a man act so ferally, I'm still quivering with terror"

"A man driven mad by jealousy, what a tragedy" You say, closing your eyes as you nod, or that is what it'd seem to anyone with lesser vision than your own, in reality you kept them open to gauge Lady Qian's reaction "May your slain companion find peace"

Another flash of confusion, that you have no just forgotten the violence that had occurred before you very eyes the moment she paid attention to you. She must be unused to a man of virtue who has no interest in the temptations of flesh.
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>>4518522
Are we really going to change things though? Who's to say that we really didn't get snatched by malal in canon, considering there's almost no information about us at all. We might just end up fleeing the galaxy or something, it all depends on what QM has planned.
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>>4518842

"T..thank you" She says, her façade briefly breaking as you "open" your eyes "You are truly kind, despite your somewhat intimidating presence, I know I shall"

She says turning to the pool of blood beneath your feet, a weary heaviness in her eyes.

"dearly miss him for my part, a piece of my life forever lost" She said with fake sorrow and pain, her eyes showed the truth of course, she wanted him dead. As for why? You did not know. Perhaps you could tempt that secret out of her.

What do you do, Lieren
> Offer to pray for her fallen friend
> "Oh? and if this humble hunter may be so bold as to ask, what part of your life was he?"
> With words, subtly prod her into revealing the man's character and her reasons for getting him killed
> Tell her you do not like women who lie so boldly
>write in

Also just want to say, really liked the over night discussion, about the plans for reform/ revolution, ancient china and Lieren's brother Primarchs.
Good shit
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> "Oh? and if this humble hunter may be so bold as to ask, what part of your life was he?"
> Offer to pray for her fallen friend

Let's fuck with her lack of insight on actually virtuous people.
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>>4518848
>> With words, subtly prod her into revealing the man's character and her reasons for getting him killed
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Actually, stage things like this:
> "Oh? and if this humble hunter may be so bold as to ask, what part of your life was he?"
If she gives a claim that her opinion of them was overall quite positive:
> Offer to pray for her fallen friend
Then, especially if she declines the offer:
> With words, subtly prod her into revealing the man's character and her reasons for getting him killed
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>>4518848
>I offer a prayer for your fallen friend.
>lower our voices and say 'if you would prefer to speak more honestly, lady Qian, then we may speak softly or away from the others.'

>I have a question, Lady Qian. What do you see when you look upon these celebrations?
I will continue to push for this question, because I like it immensely.
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>>4518855
Supporting.
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>>4518848
> Offer to pray for her fallen friend
> With words, subtly prod her into revealing the man's character and her reasons for getting him killed
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>>4518848
>"Oh? and if this humble hunter may be so bold as to ask, what part of your life was he?"
> Offer to pray for her fallen friend
She still clearly thinks we're some kind of controllable discount warrior. I wouldn't say she's really a good person, but she's definitely got potential to be useful for dealing with politics.

We should, however, make it clear to her that we're not just your random man of the hour whom she can maneuver like a chess piece.
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>>4518856
I suppose using them on the four virtuoul souls is good, but after that we should stop asking it for a good while, if we ask every single person whom we interact with this "what do you see" thing, it'll become about as interesting as an 80's sitcom catchphrase
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>>4518855
This
It will probably garner the most amusing response seeing as she's never interacted with an intellectual peer before, even primarchs have to have a bit of fun every now and then
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>>4518848
> With words, subtly prod her into revealing the man's character and her reasons for getting him killed

Talking should be done not too near the rest of the feast if possible.
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>>4518862
Yeah, only for Special people is my intention. These four people who have shown some means of virtue for nobles, maybe our brothers when we wish to talk philosophy and our father when he appears.
Maybe the emperor of Yan, as a more rhetorical "look how much better my rule is, you cunt"
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>>4518848
I feel like we should mention her “mask” somehow.
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I've been wondering where in the order of rediscovery we'll be. I looked it up and the two unknown primarchs were the third and ninth recovered by the Emperor. I personally hope we're the third, I like the thought of being the one who teaches some of our siblings about the Imperium. And we'll get to chill with dad for longer than others.
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>>4518866
That's a point, we should really try and get away from the disgusting pleasure hungry maggots. They make our skin crawl, rage bubble and they have ears.

>>4518872
"Your mask of perfect poetry almost never cracks, it is testament to your craft"?
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>>4518863
Especially since she goes on a bit of a roller coaster. We're pressing on a front she's not used to with the first part, make her think we might be a bit naive with the second while leaving her a bit stuck there, then when she tries to adjust to *that* assumption we kill shot with the third part leaving her wondering just what the fuck happened.
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>>4518877
"Okay, hes a silly country bumpkin who's very interested in other people, oka-

Alright! So he's naive and sweet and is swallowing any line I feed him. I can work with this, now who to bump of-

Hold up! How the fuck?"
>confused fan waving
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>>4518874
The third was the IInd primarch, actually, so yeah, i'm pretty sure we'll be the third...unless, of course, we aren't because malal sent us to a different planet so we could more efficiently fuck over the chaos gods instead of being a forgotten one.
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>>4518855
Support
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>>4518137
>"Exactly like the monks from Dai, you seem to enjoy causing confusion as much as you would enlightenment" He says, grinding his teeth in annoyance.

By the way, who wants to bet that from this those Monks were legit Buddhists that were purged because in the Yan Emperor's court there's a Tamano-no-Mae style Daemonette?
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>>4518885
>Slaaneshi Daemonettes infiltrating the court
Yeah that's sadly almost certain here.
I'm sure the Emperor would weep at the state of this planet's "leadership" if he weren't so painfully familiar with this type of dynasty.
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>>4518889
Then he’ll be proud of what we’re planning.
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Was there any chaos on any of the other primarch's homeworlds?
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>>4518902
Keep in mind, going by canon, that pride may be short lived.
Damnatio Memoriae and complete mind-wipes across most of human civilization don't just happen for no reason.
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>>4518905
theres some khornate fuckery on angrons planet, and some other shit on some of the others, but i'd legit not be surprised if actual Daemons show up at some point on this one, probably leading to lieron being perpetually assblasted at the very concept of gods.
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>>4518913
More like Chaos.
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Lol if there is chaos on this world I don't think big emps would be very happy about us knowing that it exists
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>>4518919
Too be fair it might make the emperor like us more knowing we actually stood in the face of chaos and beat its ass off the planet as well as might very well be as pissed off with them as he is.
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>>4518855
Support.

>>4518905
Lion was closest to the eye and fought nothing but chaos beasts for he first decade or so of his life, Perturabo could see the eye and felt he was being watched by it, and Kor Phaeron was a chaos worshipper before it was cool. Other than those three, I don't think so.
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>>4518919
Would explain a few things. If we know about chaos beforehand it gives us an excuse to travel to Necron shit like the Ymga monolith.
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>>4518919
If like some others anon pointed out our specialization is anti-chaos, he might be more reasonable towards it.
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>>4518927
>implying we won't end up the actual primarch of the grey knights and chaos fuckery simply got us stuck on feudal china instead of feudal europe
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>>4518919
Wonder if we might wind up being one of the few he ends up trusting about it...

>>4518929
Wait, would that make them Gray Samurai now (remember: Feudal Asia, not just China)?
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>>4518855
>>4518848
+1
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>>4518929
If we end up specializing in anti-Chaos and give the Emperor a great first impression, it may be a distinct possibility.
Though I have to wonder how the Chapter would shift under our direct guidance.
>hyper powered Kung-Fu Psyker Astartes untouched by the whims of chaos
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>>4518927
Eh, I've said earlier in the thread that the Lion is probably the anti-chaos primarch. Incorruptible and one of the best warriors among the primarchs, with loads of experience on his homeworld fighting it. I don't think you'll find something better than that.
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>>4518950
He’s a tactician
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>>4518951
>He’s a tactician
That's every Primarch. Even Perturabo and Angron.
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>>4518942
Would a human sized power fist just be a normal sized gauntlet for a space marine? Having every marine equipped with them as backups could be nice

I don't think Grey Knights could be our kids, considering the 2nd legion was integrated into the ultramarines and they haven't shown anything special.
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>>4518964
Given how late the Grey Knights were founded as well as how secretive everything surrounding the existence of the second Primarch is, it's not that much of a reach to assume positions may have been shuffled and a certain hunter being wiped from the record to better fulfill his role as Primarch of a similarly non-existent chapter.
Though I have to wonder if whatever happens by the time of our possible erasure would leave us alive long enough to even be around when Malcador goes on his search.
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Calling the vote and counting.

Ask what part he was:8
Offer to pray:10
get her to reveal the reason for killing the man:9
What do you see?:2
Reference her "mask":2 (counting the suggestion >>4518875 here as a vote)


Alright, as there's enough votes for the three and most of them are asking to do the three way combo anyways. I'll combine em

.Asking what part of his life he was, offer to pray and subtly provoke her to reveal the truth of the matter, in that order, wins

Writing the update
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>>4518959
>even Perturabo
Perturabo is arguably *the* tactician when he wants to be, the problem is his autistic insistence on dragging out every single engagement as long and horribly as possible. Look at the Iron Cage and his takedown of Angron. His brain isn't wired correctly but it is BIG.
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>>4518981
oh sorry, slight miscount.
Offer to prey should be 9
and ask what part he was 7

since the first vote switched to all three, and I didn't realize so I still counted it

My bad, won't change what's being written but figured I'd point it out
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>>4518996
>the problem is his autistic insistence on dragging out every single engagement as long and horribly as possible
I feel like that stems from his complete disdain for his given roles.
As good as he can be, he never really seemed like he wanted to be anything akin to a General. Seems like he'd have more fun designing forts and other architecture all day.
Really anything besides being the Emperor's sword.
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>>4519018
If we get to know petty and ask him to build something on our planet, he would probably latch on to us like an actual brother. The only other people who asked him to build things were fulgrim and the emperor and they misused the buildings causing him to resent them.
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>>4519018
Would it have been a good idea for Rogal to be his fort guy and for Perterabo to be his infrastructure guy? Seem to recall Rogal's style was more akin to a template built everywhere with minor variations which is good for military, while Pert's style was specialized to the environment which is good for infrastructure. Might help his autism given that everyone'd be using and thereby appreciating his stuff while Rogal's is only really used by military with very vague appreciation outside that.
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>>4519023
>Perturabo, you're an accomplished architect, right?
>The Imperium doesn't seem to need my expertise, but yes. I am.
>Would you care to review some design documents for me?
>...I suppose I could find the time for it.
>Fantastic. I keep running simulations and they never seem to last as long as I'd like against a siege. I figured you have a better eye for such things anyhow.
>Curious, did Dorn's advice not prove fruitful?
>I actually hadn't bothered to ask for his counsel. Why do you ask?
>No reason brother, simple curiosity. Where are these structures being built anyhow?
>Shangrala, my home world. You can see why I ask only for the best in regards to this.
Thus the kinship was born that could suffer the worst the Ruinous Powers had to offer.
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>>4518848
is it possible we're walking into a sort of Romance of the Three kingdoms situation? Are we Lubu without the ending where we're beheaded?
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>>4519044
Question is, what could we offer Perturabo in turn aside from praise?
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>>4519052
>what could we offer Perturabo in turn aside from praise?
Besides a chance to finally prove himself in a grand fashion? Not much.
That said, did he ever really want more than a chance to show what he was really capable of?
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>>4519052
an example of compassion towards ones men.
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"Oh?" You say, before tilting your head ever so slightly to the side to mimic how she had been doing it while looking over your body with great interest, before asking her "If this humble hunter may be so bold as to ask, what part of your life was he?"

Her eyebrows lower for a second, as she studies you quietly, while still wearing the mask of a mourner who had just lost a dear friend. Then for just a fraction of a breath, her lips twitch towards forming a smile before falling again to a frown filled with faked sorrow. And like that, she has walked directly into the snare you have laid for her, to reveal her mask.

"Oh how bold of you, to ask a lady of her personal relations in public" She says still speaking as if she is in great emotional turmoil and pain "I do not wish to speak of one so recently gone, least of all in public, but he was a true friend of mine, a man who always had interesting subjects to talk about and a bountiful sense of generosity, my only regret is that I was not able to spend more of this life along side him, Never again will I meet a man as humorful yet knowledgeable as he was. Not only I but the world have lost a shining light, snuffed out far before his time. A tragedy before my eyes!"

She gripped her fan tightly with both of her hands, closing her eyes.

"and a horror to forever mar my dreams, how will I be able to sleep after seeing such a horrid murder with my own eyes?" She asks, making tears well up into her eyes by squinting them a certain way, her expression so twisted with sorrow it would look as if she would begin to wail and cry to heavens. All an act, of course.

"My heart aches for your loss, Lady Qian" You say, placing one of your huge spade like hands over where your heart would be as a normal man, and somewhere between the two you yourself have under your ribcage "Perhaps you can tell me more about this acquaintance somewhere more private? away from curious ears and gossips"

"Oh, I'm not sure if I'll have the strength to, but I'd feel much safer if a strong man like you stayed by my side for awhile" She said, wiping at the tears she had forced herself to create "Who knows what madmen may be lurking among the crowds"

Besides the majority of the crowds, it'd be like asking if you could find fish in a river or frogs in a pond! or Panthers in the fog! it wasn't a question if their were monsters looking among these men, but rather if there were men amongst these gluttonous beasts!

"I understand, I shall be your guard for the evening" You say, clasping your hands together and offering another bow.

"What a gentleman, despite your rugged exterior" She says, unfolding her fan as you walked beside her, feeling the glares of the envious and lustful burning into your back. Qian Xia begins to fan herself, trying to make it seem as if she's skittish and jumpy as you leave the center of the festivities, to an abandoned nook beneath an overhang.

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>>4519064
But it 's tables were still set, covered in pink silk with gold thread worked along its edges.


Bottles of liquor and half drank glasses sit abandoned, next to ripe fruits whose juices stain the silk beneath them, almost making the squares of silk to appear to be bruised or bleeding.

"I already feel safer, away from that maddening crowd" Xia says as she takes a seat, fanning herself rapidly while putting on a show of how stressed she wanted you to think she was, increasing the pace of her breath and glancing around as if a nervous wreck "Away from where my dear friend was butchered by another, he attacked him like an animal, you see, I still see it in my mind's eye"

You nod, putting on your own show of empathy and understanding as you sit across from her, the chair creaking under your weight.

"Oh how tragic, a bright light taken from the world and your life far too soon" You say, clapping your hands together as you lower your tone and add mock pain and sorrow to your worlds, acting as though your were mourning the "tragedy" that had befallen Qian and her "Friend" "if it would alleviate you pain and sorrows, I will pray for your lost friend, so he may know wherever he has gone that you remember him well"

"Oh I'm sure if he could see me now he'd be devastated, and you, so kind to offer a man you never met prayers into the next world, so its true this world still contains virtuous men" She says, continuing to wipe tears away from her eyes as nodded and put on a show of silently praying for the dead man, since you are certain if he'll end up anywhere, it'll be hell. if such a place truly exists.

Well, outside of the courtyard of Lord Gao, that is.

"There is one less now, brutally cut down despite all of his kindness, all of his generosity" You say with a deep, heavy sigh, slumping your shoulders and opening an eye to look at Lady Qian as you spoke, hands still pressed tightly together "Tell me, oh head of the house of Qian, of his good deeds, so the eight courts may now his face when he arrives"

And there goes her mask, shattering for a moment as she realizes she has no foundation to build her house of lies over, outside of vague kindnesses and generosity. However, she quickly hides this slip with her fan, covering her face with it. Must be a habit among the wealthy when they lose their composure

"Well, well" She says calmly speaking before remembering she is supposed to be devastated and adjusts her tone to reflect it "he was never greedy, and even in these hard times he was always willing to lend a helping hand to his friends, and shower them with gifts at the first sign of sadness"

A spendthrift fool who wasted his wealth on meaningless shows of affection and friendship. The reason for his death.
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>>4519066

"Truly he had a kind heart, what a dreadful shame such a generous soul has been taken from us, the people weep" You say said, nearly wailing as you shake your pressed together hands to the heaven "Weep that the man who had so much to give in a time of so little has been taken from their ranks, please lady Qian, tell me of his kindness"


She audibly swallowed, setting a half drank glass of liquor down to try and cover up the fact you're making her nervous asking her questions like this and without any pawns to move so as to brush aside your inquires of her slain "Friend"

"He would forgive any slights and misdeed done to him, without needless cruelty' She says after a few moments, speaking slow enough that it was obvious to you she was choosing her words carefully to paint a better image of the man than he deserved, to keep up her façade "once his younger brother spoke against him in his own court, and he did not hurt the boy too gravely, and still let him attend his court"

So another sadist in power, at least this one has been removed from his "throne", it seems his brother was wiser than he, and saw how his spending and methods would lead their lands to ruins, and spoke up only to be silenced. Yes, you could see the picture of this man and his life quite clearly now, and why he came to such a gruesome end. So his brother could take his place, and Qian could feed him a sob story of always wanting to speak against his elder brother, but not having the courage to or similar.

And then another man would be caught in her web, far more useful and virtuous than the two she cut from it to let fall. She and the lands that man ruled over, would only benefit from these actions. She would have a new pawn to move that would not need to be fed, lured and tempted to do as she willed, and the wealth of the land would be put to more useful endeavors rather than frivolous gifts and courting. and all she had to do was flirt with the man while in view of another, more foul suitor. Whose few scruples had been shorn away by intoxication.

"ooooh such a soft heart, such a kind man, tell me, tell me Qian" You say shaking your hands as the lady and red shifts uncomfortably in her chair, unsure of how to deal with someone like yourself and thus now actually skittish and on edge, afraid as she does know what to make of you. Confused and afraid, like the man she had gotten killed.

"Of his virtues" You say, opening your eyes fully "beyond his mercy and generosity, such a man must have lived a most virtuous life, he must have"

"Ah, another story comes to my mind" She says quietly "of when he...of when he...of when he"

She searches her memories for anything she can use, sniffling and whimpering as she spoke to try and cover up that fact, by acting as if she was besides herself in grief
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>>4519067

What do you say, Lieren?
> Could it be he had no virtues? and was merely a prideful fool who wasted his wealth, like all the rest
> Ahhhh, My Lady Qian, is that why you had him killed?
> Oh I understand, it is hard to remember such happy memories while beset by grief, if you must cry, cry!
> *Remain silent*
> write in

>>4519052
Remember, he played a wargame that was pretty much warhammer 40k, in canon.
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>>4519069
>I think I understand the sort of man he was, close to our current host in all but position, wealth and age.
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>>4519069
> Could it be he had no virtues? and was merely a prideful fool who wasted his wealth, like all the rest?
Be upfront, cut through the web of lies like a burning scythe.
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>>4519069
> Could it be he had no virtues? and was merely a prideful fool who wasted his wealth, like all the rest
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>>4519069
> Could it be he had no virtues? and was merely a prideful fool who wasted his wealth, like all the rest?
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>>4519069
>> Could it be he had no virtues? and was merely a prideful fool who wasted his wealth, like all the rest
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>>4519069
>Remember, he played a wargame that was pretty much warhammer 40k, in canon.
Oh shit he could finally get somebody besides his Astartes to play with him.
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>>4519069
>Could it be he had no virtues? and was merely a prideful fool who wasted his wealth, like all the rest
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>>4519069
>Ahhhh, My Lady Qian, is that why you had him killed?
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> Could it be he had no virtues? and was merely a prideful fool who wasted his wealth, like all the rest

While I would like to see her flounder upon her failing lies more like Options 3 and 4 were, what has been done should be sufficient. She already knows she's lost.
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>>4519069
>> Could it be he had no virtues? and was merely a prideful fool who wasted his wealth, like all the rest
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>Perturabo
>Mortarion
>Ferrus Manus
The attrition warfare dream team. I doubt the combined forces of all other 15 (known) legions could take a system fortified by them without suffering 2-1 casualties. What do you think we should specialize our legion in? I think emphasizing defense-in-depth and the long-term sustainability of the worlds we conquer is ideal.
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>>4519069
>> Could it be he had no virtues? and was merely a prideful fool who wasted his wealth, like all the rest
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>>4519108
Let's see how our warfare evolves when we are conquering the planet.
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>>4519118
That's a good idea. We're a primarch but even we can't conquer a world alone.
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>>4519118
I think psiker powers+ninjamurai/kenshiro/dragon ball martial arts with force powerfist and force/energy weapons for us, and all rounder ranged with great mobility for our troops, but being at least good at melee (this way we can move our troops easily and pull monstruously bullshit strategic feats that makes veteran enemy generals commit sudoku). Then we can throw the usual elite stealth "Panther" unit that takes entire squads from the mists. Oh, and general ambush/trap assholery to benefit form Chinese primarch strategy.
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>>4519108
That's the kind of fight that would give most primarchs nightmares and permanent ptsd. Except Vulcan, who can just throw himself at them, die killing 1/10 of their army and then repeat
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>>4519126
Speaking of chinese though, would we be friends with Jaghatai Khan considering he's basically Attila the hun in space?
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>>4519174
No, the Chinese and Mongols did not historically get along.
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>>4519174
>>4519181
It's a good thing we don't have any actual bad blood between us. Just massive cultural differences.
I'm sure we'll get experience in bridging those soon enough.
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Calling and counting the vote!

I think I understand:1
Could it be?:8
Is that why you killed him:1

pretty clear winner here, Lieren will be somewhat subtle instead of straight telling Qian that he knows she planned the murder.

Writing the update now,
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>>4519108
Drawing from chinese warfare, absolutely insane numbers of troops. Perhaps we have a geneseed that is incredibly likely to be accepted by Aspirants, like Mortarion
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>>4519207
>swarming fodder
That is a niche that isn't filled by the known primarchs, isn't it? Some might say it is but I think Angron's more hyper-melee while Perturabo is trench hell. Makes me think we could attach massive amounts of auxiliary forces to our own.
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>>4519213
Make like the Black templars before it was cool. Get an Astartes as head of an aspirant fire team or squad.
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>>4519207
Would explain how our genesons would have managed to be integrated into the Ultramarines without too much fuss in that area.
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"Could it be he hand no virtues?" You ask plainly, frowning as if you were disappointed, as fear and panic flooded through the scarlet web weaver's eyes, no doubt she had realized this was all merely a trap, but knew not the reason for it to be set up along her path. She said nothing, merely hiding her face behind her fan to try and hide her reaction, no doubt also figuring out you could read her expressions and emotions far more easily than other men, blinded by their own desires. Far too late for her to hide her true self, of course. That of a predator who stalks the courts, ruining the men who lust after her, who desire her attention and affection.

As she desires their wealth and influence, for her own ends, but not merely to bask in the power her beauty brings her and the puppets dancing upon her open palm, but to utilize it properly. Were it would be wasted in the hands of the fools she damns and ruins, with her manipulations, power and wealth ends up in the hands of those more deserving of it even if she reaps a bountiful harvest from her machinations for herself. Greedy, cold hearted, and power hungry, yet not as terrible as the men she tempts and leads to their dooms. Her actions, while despicable, cause a greater good, and within her lies morals and standards, virtues, even if they are buried beneath her cunning.

If she was as unsalvageable as the rest, she'd merely marry the richest man she could find and then kill him, but she does not, she gives the wealth of her admirers, their positions, to their wiser, more diligent family members. Beneath the webs, the lies and the murder, she had a good heart. Even if she took lives and wealth, she did not do so excessively, and only when it benifited not only herself, but others. Even if she herself did not realize it.

A breath later, you continued speaking

"And was merely a prideful fool what wasted his wealth, like all the rest?" You ask, leaning over the table, casting a shadow over the spider of the courts of Gao and Yan.

"You" She said, her gentle voice turning as hard and cold as iron "weren't fooled for a moment were you? the entire scared maiden seeking protection act didn't so much as budge you, giant"

"When I speak to someone, I know them" You say with a smirk "And no doubt you realize what I know"

"That that fool who was beaten to death died by my machinations? after he was no longer useful to me?' She asks bluntly, crossing her arms, starring daggers at me "Is that why you humored me? So you could have a confession for blackmail?"

"Oh that is not the only reason, is it? I am not one of the ones who laughs at common empathy and basic decency. his brother was wiser than him, and not a spendthrift fool?" You say warmly, your tone gentle and inviting as you turned your open palms over to show you meant no harm
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>>4519231

"He was a noble man, wasting his wealth on gifts and luxury, abusing his power to try to achieve his desires, and instead of merely taking this from him in the bridal bed, you gave it to his brother. A man who would more effectively uses those resources, and spend them more wisely. To improve Yan"

She stares at you, lip curled.

"I had gotten his signature to own the rights of trade through his lands" She says, lying to herself, still maintaining her armor of cynicism "His brother could not dispute it to Gao, or Even lord Yan himself. He was simply an eyesore I had no more use for"

"You lie even to yourself, Xia, you would have gained more wealth, more power and face if you simply wed him, or the others before him. even if you do not have eyes to see it yourself" You say serenely, smiling a gentle smile "You are a caring person, with standards and morals, why else would it be so hard to hide your disdain for the fellow even as you tried to praise him to me"

"Courts in the heavens, you really are serious" She says, actually grabbing the glass of alcohol and sipping from it "You don't intend to extort me for money or blackmail me to your side, you just cornered me so you could tell me deep down I'm a virtuous woman, despite how much blood is on my hands"

She laughs, falling back in her chair.

"And yet you work like a man trained in the game of politics, what a strange man you are, alright, I will admit, that is another reason I choose my victims and stepping stones, to improve the world around me" She says still laughing, let all her secrets flow from "Because from childhood I've seen what foolish men in power can do, and the ruin they can wreck. Which is why I pruned my family tree of such unwanted blights, and why I have led countless young nobles to their humiliation or even death, not only so I can have wealth and power enough to enact the changes I DESIRE, but so others who are smart enough to make the same changes have the standing and funding to do so, but I assume you already figured that out the moment you saw me, golden eyes"

You feign shock.

"No! I merely thought it was an isolated incident!" You say, faking horror as she nearly crushes the glass in her hand her grip tightens so suddenly "You murdered your own family and destroyed countless men"

"What" She squeaked, before you started laughing and shook your head

"Excuse this humble man, he could not resist toying with you for his own amusement, my apologizes, illustrious Lady Qian" You say as she stares at you wide eyed, taking a few moments to realize what you said "And yes, I figured that out before I spoke to you, not the specifics, but the general idea of the webs you weave all around you"

"Bastard" She says, seeming to have thinned from the sheer stress you inflicted upon her with that harmless jest "Bastard, but a brilliant bastard, and judging from the fact you don't condemn me, you endorse my methods?"
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>>4519232

How do you answer, Lieren?
> Endorse? no, Stomach? yes
> anything that brings prosperity to many from the suffering of one, I endorse
> tch tch, a question for a question, tell me, what do you see in the courtyard from where we sit
> I despise the blind and decadent, Pruning a field of weeds is merely good farming.
> write in?
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>>4519233
> I despise the blind and decadent, Pruning a field of weeds is merely good farming.
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Leading question:
> Tell me, what do you see in the courtyard from where we sit?
Explanation after her answer:
> I despise the blind and decadent, Pruning a field of weeds is merely good farming.
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>>4519233
>> tch tch, a question for a question, tell me, what do you see in the courtyard from where we sit
then
>> Endorse? no, Stomach? yes.
Necessary evils and all that.
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>>4519233
> I despise the blind and decadent, Pruning a field of weeds is merely good farming.
Gardening metaphors are a go
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>>4519242
That brings up an interesting hypothetical.
How many primarchs are gonna refuse to talk to us solely because the majority of our speech is just flowery metaphors.
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>>4519249
Imagine a conversation between Dorn and Lieren
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>>4519250
We'd be real buddy-buddy with Fulgrim and maybe Sanguinius though.
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>>4519250
Still won't be as nuts as if we are against a Primarch who views it as a challenge. Fulgrim was very interested in the arts and poetry is an art...
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>>4519233
>> write in?
she seems to have a middle ground between the immediacy of the General and the moralism of the Old Man. I think that we should be a bit straighter with her.

>Tell her we need Her, The General, and The Old Man. Possibly a guard, we have yet to find out.

From there figure out the most diplomatic way to skirt out the people that we need to 'turn the land to jade' and build up the peasantry to overthrow Gao by the time next tax season come around.
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>>4519250
I hope we get to be the one Primarch that specialized in unarmed combat.
Fuck power fists. Go full method fist of the north star and make people explode.

>wargear:
>jump packs
>auramite artifice power armor
>combat shields on each forearm
>an iron halo
>these hands
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>>4519233
> I despise the blind and decadent, Pruning a field of weeds is merely good farming.
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>>4519233
> I despise the blind and decadent, Pruning a field of weeds is merely good farming.
Philosopher primarch is a go. Also, I wonder if our skill is something to do with not being able to be deceived? Our truthtelling perhaps? Something to think about at least. Might also be an explanation for why we get knocked off, Emps is unable to fool us about his plans and we take things into our own hands.

>>4519249
We're going to have lots of fun with Alpharius I feel.
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>>4519263
If that's our skill, wonder if we might have been intended as the Inquisition-type role Primarch.

Also, be hilarious if we could always pick out which one is Alpharius, which is Omegon, and which is one of their marines acting as one of the other two.
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>>4519263
That might not be the case. Some Primarchs are good at reading people if they're perceptive enough, or enough of a people person to read the motives of others.
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So out of the three of the four virtuous guests we've met so far (and accepting Anon's theory that they represent the good aspects of the four chaos gods), which is which? The Old Man was very moral, very hopeful, and interested in spiritual growth. Either the hope and growth means Nurgle or the complex philosophizing means Tzeentch. The General is Khorne, no two ways about it. Qian Xia is a tactician, a chameleon, someone who schemes to achieve her ends. But she put an emphasis on achieving her desires and uses her feminine wiles to do so. So I'm thinking Tzeentch or Slaanesh. Here's hoping the last guest makes things a little more cut and dry.
>>4519260
I'm still hoping we get to be the anti-warpshit primarch, but I guess we gotta wait for us to actually come across some warpshit.
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>>4519270
It's very unlikely that the four people of interest have anything to do with the chaos gods, because keep in mind the "almost not but almost is" canon Malal chaos god stole us from everyone else, and I think sorta made us an in person in their memory? So no gods, just peeps.

Anti- warp primarch had been done before on /tg/. I think it was the predecessor to the angry marines, a first founding chapter where a majority of the marines were like blanks. I personally would like it if se had the power to eat demons, like that one assassin type guy.
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>>4519233
> I despise the blind and decadent, Pruning a field of weeds is merely good farming.
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>>4519233
> Endorse? no, Stomach? yes
> I despise the blind and decadent, Pruning a field of weeds is merely good farming.
It's not a good method of course, it's still sneaky stabbing, but ultimately getting rid of the bad people is good, even if you use an dishonorable method to do it.
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>>4519270
Well, if we were going with that comparison, i would say the old man was definitely nurgle, what with his belief in the cycles of life which continue and continue and continue and that kind of stuff.

Qian Xia is undoubtedly tzeentch, though, it's all about change and scheming. Slaanesh is the prince of excess, so while she uses her feminine side to trick people, it's not like she's on some chase to become the most feminine woman ever.

But yeah, it depends on what happens when we see the soldier. If his goals are that of becoming the best when it comes to his weapon, then that would be a good side of slaanesh.
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>>4519232
> I despise the blind and decadent, Pruning a field of weeds is merely good farming.
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>>4519309
What would chaos be relevant?
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>>4519240
Support
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>>4519233
>> tch tch, a question for a question, tell me, what do you see in the courtyard from where we sit
>> I despise the blind and decadent, Pruning a field of weeds is merely good farming.
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>>4519233
> I despise the blind and decadent, Pruning a field of weeds is merely good farming.
>>4519250
Fulgrim finally finds another intellectual and refuses to speak in anything but full iambic pentameter sonnets to lieren
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>>4519328
God the fucking battle cant would need to be designed for these two, fucking Haikus flicking across the vox is their version of short hand.
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>>4519270
The old man was the opposite of nurgle, he wants out of the cycle
The general is all the good aspects of khorne while being disgusted by all the bad
The lady is on the start of the tzeentchian slippery slope though
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So far we have
any pruning is good pruning: at 10
A question of sight: at 4
Stomach it: at 2.

God damnit
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>>4519126
>Then we can throw the usual elite stealth "Panther" unit that takes entire squads from the mists.
Oooh, that reminds me. The planet we're on is permanently foggy because of Archaotech, right?
Imagine if we manage to replicate and/or minituarize it.
>Fog Engines to blanket an entire battlefield mist
>Portable Fog Throwers for the stealth units
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>>4519329
If anything it'd be more accurate to call it a cant battle, they'd be just throwing fifth-layered poems at each other that would make buddhist monks look seem like dorn.
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>>4519334
How long until our sons get sick of our shit I wonder?
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>>4519332
Chill

We can always ask the sight question when we are leaving, and ask her to think on it and tell us when next we meet.

I think shede figure out something good by time we meet her again.
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>>4519238
Support.

> Tell me, what do you see in the courtyard from where we sit?
Explanation after her answer:
> I despise the blind and decadent, Pruning a field of weeds is merely good farming.
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>>4519336
I fully expect our terran born sons to be very quickly exasperated with us, or at least their leader when we first meet.
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>>4519336
anon, they're literally made from our dna, if anything they'll cheer us on.
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>>4519340
Space marines are genetically coded to act like puppies with their primarchs
If anything they would take notes and start practicing with their battle brothers until they have mastered the art of riddle speak
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>>4519350
>Other Legions start calling our boys "Riddle Marines"
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>>4519350
That only goes so far mate. Act like angron or fickle like lorgar and your sons are going to end up getting sick of you.

If we are a good father, it's just a quirk.
If we are a bad one, it's an endless annoyance that drives men to heresy.

>>4519353
>Our sons take to the moniker and make it customary to greet the other legions with a riddle,where the answer is always to the effect of "we are glad to meet you, loyal sons of heavens emperor"
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>>4519233
> Endorse? no, Stomach? yes
> I despise the blind and decadent, Pruning a field of weeds is merely good farming.
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>>4519357
Uh anon? Those two are mutually exclusive, being that one is an endorsement.
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>>4519364
Not really, it's basically saying that while you're not really a fan of the whole "scheming backstab" thing, you ultimately stomach it when done for the greater good.

Basically
>I don't like the kind of stuff you're doing, but you're doing it to bad people so it's cool
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>>4519332
The fuck are you mad about?
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>>4519387
Single (at the time, it's now 2) vote short of the option I wanted. "So close yet so far" sorta thing.
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I wonder how people would feel about having a flying sword.
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>>4519397
If it only works within 9 paces for 81 breaths, I'm going to kill the smith that made it.
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>>4519401
Don't know mate, primarchs can hold their breaths for a damn long time.
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>>4519424
Imagine being a primarch and trying to do urban combat operations on traitors hiding in vent ducts and cramped tunnels.
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>>4519233
> Endorse? no, Stomach? yes.
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>>4519431
I imagine itd end up a lot like the cool aid man, but he just doesnt stop.
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>>4519233
> Endorse? no, Stomach? yes
>It's hardly a clean method of removing such persons, but cleaner ones are scarce and the job needs doing.
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>>4519330
Makes me wonder if the soldier is going to be Slaanesh. Though not the pleasure-addicted sort, but the one that seeks perfection in their craft.
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>>4519328
We've mentioned a lot of how we might be able to chill with some of the Traitor Primarchs, but what about Loyalists? Can see us being hunting bros with Russ.
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>>4519499
Depending on how we go, we could be revolution bros with corvus too
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>>4519397
For what purpose?

>>4519491
You could be wrong in you chaos based assumption.
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May I say that Asia has ships that wouldn’t be out of place in Warhammer or could easily be converted into Voidships.
http://dragonsarmory.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-imjin-war-korean-and-japanese-fleets.html
>>4519551
Why not?
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>>4519556
i mean if we had a flying sword couldnt we just have another one in our hands lmao
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>>4519556
>>4519609
Or a gun? Why not a flying gun?
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>>4519618
why stop at a gun, lets just invent drone technology and then use that for everything from farming to defense. The people can start studying philosophy, art, and perfecting their physical form.

>nothing could possibly go wrong
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>>4519623
>to keep Mars onboard, the Emperor had to compromise
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>>4519623
You limit yourself to drones with guns
>make sword drones
>drones that swing and shoot swords
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>>4519233
> tch tch, a question for a question, tell me, what do you see in the courtyard from where we sit.
> I despise the blind and decadent, Pruning a field of weeds is merely good farming.
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>>4519609
>>4519618
A Flying Sword is basically a force sword you control with your mind, in some stories the wielder rides it like a hoverboard.
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>>4519644
>in some stories the wielder rides it like a hoverboard
What...?
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>>4519644
So DMC5?
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>>4519644
>>4519648
Xania basically.

For the record: highly recommend against using something that is cognient on your mental ability to keep you from falling to your death, primarch or not. Cause if your concentration breaks, or you are knocked out, toy are then just fucked.
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>>4519632
Try Raytheons new Hellfire R9X knife drone missiles. Guaranteed to pin your enemies to the ground with minimal collateral damage.
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This all does posit a good question:

What will relations between us and the admech be like? Because we will have to get along to some degree. By neccesity we will be forced to have innovation on our world, so we really should try get on the good side of the admech.
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>>4519665
Nah, that's not what the sin of innovation is.

See, us making black powder weapons then working our way up isn't innovation in the dogmatic sense, as it's all knowledge we gained from the pod and our genes, it's following a blueprint of our ancestors [and is sufficiently low tech enough that it will never make universe ending terrors].
The sin of innovation would be if, upon meeting the mechanicum, we were to continue innovating with this new tech, as it is altering the plans of an STC device, which is the receptacle by which Deus Mechanicus bestows his holy knowledge.

But this is 30k, so there are some innovators out there and it's not completely discouraged. Mars has quite a few of them on the red planet itself.
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>>4519675
Yeah, we ain't at the point scrap code and random machine horrors are tearing everything up, nor the crippling that means that they don't have time to be able to modify infrastructure to whatever new thing has been made that would be incompatible thanks to all the fronts.
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>>4519665
We won't have to worry about any of that as of now, especially not when the emperor is still around. If Rootboot can trudge around with Cawl in the 40th millenia, we can innovate back here in 30k
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I got it. I know what Lieren's destined role is.
He's the one who writes the "Thought For the Day" section in Imperial publications.
You can't deny he'd be pretty damn good at it.
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>>4519721
Rowboat is just trying his best, it's not his fault that the imperiums is so autistic
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>>4519723
But what about the text in the fortune cookies? or are those considered tzeentch bait?
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https://youtu.be/QWwmqHGYHus
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>>4519757
>video is blocked in your country
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>>4519757
I love this guy's philosophy behind his specific choice of weapon. I feel like it'd mesh well with Lieren too.
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>>4519762
Never watched Thunderbolt Fantasy?
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>>4519782
I can't even tell what the video is though, as soon as i open it greyscreens
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>>4519788
Hover your mouse over the "embedded" button.

I'm in the same boat as you, but I know what it is from prior memes.
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>>4519774
Well, he only does that for humans. Demons however...
https://youtu.be/4L7FhBjSh6o
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>>4519792
>Well, he only does that for humans. Demons however...
Well of course not. Why would you ever let a Daemon exist any longer than absolutely neccessary?
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>>4519791
Well, it just shows an part. How am i supposed to see it then?

Is there any way to see it?
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>>4519817
You could try a VPN if it's blocked in your country.
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>>4519817
VPN.

Other than that....I dunno. Look up "thunderbolt fantasy sword scene" and see if you get lucky?
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>>4519818
>>4519823
I don't really have an VPN, though, and it'd be pretty annoying to go all the way to get one now.

What's even the name of the video? I tried searching for thunderbolt fantasy sword scene but it only shows episode 1 and then stuff like best fights.
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>>4519817
https://youtu.be/SoV0YXe5YJ0
11:24
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>>4519841
Blessed by thou Anon, may your line be blessed by the courts of heaven.
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>>4519840
That’s the best you’ll get then. It’s the episode where the MC takes on the title “Edgeless Blade,” so the video was called “Edgeless Blade”, all proceeds to reveal that he the entire season he wasn’t wielding a sword.
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>>4519841
Well, now i can see it. It's hard to understand because everything just keeps moving way too damn fast, but i see it.
>>4519849
What's the point of having an edgeless blade if you're still going to kill everyone you fight, though? At that point you might as well use an normal sword.
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>>4519851
To flex on the plebs who can't cut people without an edge.

Xanxia is the worst written penny dreadful shit you can find, it's power fantasy of the silliest kind.
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>>4519853
>it's power fantasy of the silliest kind.
Well, you always fantasize over what you don't have.
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>>4519853
Well, but that's just dumb, if you can cut people without an edge, then surely you will be able to cut people even MORE with an edge, right?

Honestly, i don't understand chinese fiction, it's like all the bad parts of manga/anime without the good stuff.
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>>4519863
I honestly don't blame them too much for that. They've been stuck with really strict restrictions for a long time compared to Japan, Europe, the US, etc., and even still have to operate under a fair amount, which kinda wiped out a lot of their literary traditions. Kinda need to build their own largely from scratch since importing from outside is a bit hell. Especially worsened because a lot of people who might fund the stuff are going for the 'cheap knockoff' approach rather than funding new endeavors.

Same stuff that's kinda hurt Eastern European stuff.
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>>4519853
>>4519863
>>4519851
Well that’s not true. He wields a piece of wood because he thinks killing shouldn’t be done lightly but doesn’t want to do some sort of ritual every time he kills someones he instead opts to handicap himself, so the point is “killing people bad and I shouldn’t be resorting to it”. For more context in Thunderbolt Fantasy steel channels chi very well making it good at killing but wood channels chi poor making it a poor weapon, this however is a handicap he only endures against and will happily pull one of the 36 god-killing weapons he keeps in his back pocket if the local demon god breaks free of its prison to kick its ass.
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>>4519884
Well, that's a dumb logic

If killing is bad and you shouldn't take it lightly but you're going to do it anyway, why handicap yourself? How does the handicap matter if people are still going to die in the end?

The result is the same, nothing changes.
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>>4519889
Like, i understand using a piece of wood if you want to knock out the people you're fighting, you know, put them out of comission without killing, but if you're blowing up people left and right, why does the material of your weapon even matter?
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>>4519889
>>4519890
It’s a cultural thing that most westerners wouldn’t get. Also it’s not a Chinese creation, that should have been obvious from the fact the puppets are speaking Japanese.
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Calling the vote and counting
Sorry for being a bit late

Despise the blind and decadent:13
Tell me what you see:6
Endorse, no, stomach yes: 7
tell her we need her and the 3 others:1

I think I know how to combine endorse and stomach with pruning, so I'll add it in as well

So Lieren will say he does not endorse it, but explain why he stomachs it with a farming metaphor and saying he hates the blind and decadent.

anways Writing the update.

>>4519889
Its so he doesn't kill needlessly, I'm pretty sure, so the effort makes him feel the weight of the lifes he take, so he'll only take them with necessary.

Thunderbolt fantasy is amazing
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>>4519978
There’s also a common thing in Asia where they have rituals for absolving sins/taint/guilt/whatever. While the west has a similar concepts but it isn’t as ritualized. A good example is Japan and “impurity” (which is the concept of filth building up in something that needs to be “purified”) and some of the “rituals” for removing the “impruities” can be summed up as “take a bath”.
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"Endorse? no" You say looking down at her before turning your gaze to the courtyard, curling your upper lip in disgust at what you see there "Stomach, yes"

"I'm sorry, I don't quite follow what you mean, Giant" Lady Qian replies, her voice turning rougher and coarser, annoyed at "isn't that the same thing? if you stomach the methods I use, you do not condemn them, so you must support them then, yes?"

"A view of black and white. one can accept that something is necessary while also being offended by it or what must be done. I find murder to be crude and despicable behavior, even if you do not stain your own hands with blood" You say simply, not turning back to face her as you watch the festivities continue, wild and unabated. Its sickening.

"However I can condone it if it is necessary, if has purpose beyond self interest or appeasing one's own volatile emotions" You explain "I can not endorse your behavior, but I can condone it, for you see, Lady Qian"

You swing one of your great arms, motioning to the whole of the courtyard and all who revel within it, chasing the next pleasure or whim that passes their mind.

"I despise the blind and decadent, pruning a field of weeds is merely good farming" You say turning back to her as she realizes what you mean "and as contemptible as it is, what you do is necessary and beneficial, like cutting decayed flesh from a wound, or putting refuse into fields so it may become more fertile. Like pruning a tree of broken branches"

You look her directly in her eyes, and she freezes all movement, as if entranced.

"So long as you do not over do it, and are not over zealous in your pruning, the tree will be healthier and grow mightier" You say, clapping your hands together "And the field shall be bountiful, and the wound shall heal"

"So, you only approve of what I do, so long as it is good for the whole, for the Yan kingdom as whole" Qian says as if she had just received sudden enlightenment, closing her fan with a flick of her wrist.

"Exactly my Lady, I desire one thing, and that is prosperity for the people, and even if I find your methods, crude at best, at the end of the day, they bring prosperity to the people and prune the weeds from the field" You say quietly, softly leaning closer to her. She leans back a bit and turns away, not able to face you directly any longer.

"So, I condone them, for as long as they bring the results I desire, and I assume that my desires and yours are closer than you'd tell yourself. Prosperity for Yan" You say, raising a half drank cup of liquor, spilling it out after you give a toast "I am correct, am I not?"

"That's a threat" She correctly assumes, smirking "So long as I remain in the boundaries of what is acceptable"

"You shall remain in the field, a flower in blossom" You say with a nod "But I do not mean to threaten you, My lady, I merely wished to see if you were"
cont
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>>4520014

"Useable?" She asks, narrowing her eyes as she actually sipped at the once drunk alcohol

"Salvageable would be more accurate, if you could be saved from the corruption that so soaks high society" You say, shaking your head and outstretched hand "if you were virtuous in mind and soul, as I presumed you to be"

"You don't fully agree with how I tend to the "field" She says, frowning "and claim to not be threatening me, so I have to ask Giant, is that because you see me as "Virtuous"?"

"You give to the people, and even if you hands are sullied, you have not done so for only your benefit. You are not blind nor fallen to the wiles of decadence, and you yourself had said, you have seen where foolish rule leads and the ruins it brings" You say sitting up straight "You wish to better Yan and its social hierarchy, while how you do it is not the method I would prefer, it is a necessary method to cut out the cancer. So I would say I was correct in my assumption"

"Odd man, so we have the same goal then, the betterment of Yan and its people" She says nodding along with what you say "That means we are not enemies, even if we do not fully agree"

"We never were" You say with a smile as she returns a smirk, taking a moment to drink from someone else's abandoned drink "I would like to consider you an ally in my own efforts in healing Yan"

"Only for as long as you do not step into my garden and begin plucking flowers from it, calling them weeds" She replies, setting her glass down

"Ah, of course, and so long as you do not step in the path I clear and claim another's overgrown yard as your own garden" You say in return as she smiles.

"Acceptable, I only ask you do not step into my garden. If I begin to claim the world as my garden, then it is only fair to pull me from the ground" She says with a smile "Roots and all, understand"

"Of course, the metaphor does not escape me" You say, placing a hand between your hearts "I will rely upon your guile, in the coming days and, like a pair of gardeners, you may borrow my shears if there is need for it"

"So I can rely on your brilliance and strength as well then?" She asks with a gleam in her eyes

"So long as you do not become a weed, Lady Qian" You say with a bow "I know your name, but you do not know mine, I am Lieren. and I do so hope you remain a flower I can rely upon"

"As do I, I assume you find a way to contact me when you need my "Wiles?" She asks, draining her glass to calm her nerves as you left her, her mask dropping as she thinks you turn away, she was on the edge of animalistic panic throughout the conversation, but she kept up the facade.

"Of course, and most impressive" You say, rubbing your chin as you take your leave of her. She will be useful and you were correct for three out of four of the souls so far.

All that remained was the nameless guard.

But how to find him?
cont
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>>4520016

How do you find him Lieren?
>Ask Gao if he can supply you a personal guard, as administrator of his lands
> Lady Qian, I need you to cause a scene that will require the intervention of the guards, my apologies for so soon calling in a favor
>merely go to each guard and look into their eyes
>fake an attack upon yourself, that should draw Gao's men to you
> write in
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>>4520017
>>merely go to each guard and look into their eyes
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>>4520017
>Ask Gao if he can supply you a personal guard, as administrator of his lands
Personal guards are useful, and we should get him out of gao's control as soon as possible, and seeing how the others turned out, I doubt he's the bad sort.
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>>4519978
Ah, realized I fucked up after I finished writing. But there were 17 votes in total, not 14 like I thought. Sorry guys I was tired and checked by counting replies instead of votes.

so technically the endorse/ stomach shouldn't have made it in, but I fucked up. can't undo it, and it isn't a catastrophic mistake but I wanted to say

Sorry, and I'll try to be more attentive in the future. My bad
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>>4520029
Honestly the votes don’t matter that much, only if it’s truly important would people kick up a fuss. What is important is keeping the quest moving forward.
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>>4520017
>> Lady Qian, I need you to cause a scene that will require the intervention of the guards, my apologies for so soon calling in a favor
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>>4520017
>Ask Gao if he can supply you a personal guard, as administrator of his lands
But frame it in a way of you just not knowing enough modern military matters other than the ability to throw an boulder and use an tree like a staff.

This way, not only do you steer gao towards believing you just happen to be some clever freak of nature other than an magical man with magical knowledge.
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>>4520017
>Ask Gao if he can supply you a personal guard, as administrator of his lands
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>>4520017
>> Lady Qian, I need you to cause a scene that will require the intervention of the guards, my apologies for so soon calling in a favor
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>>4520017
>>Ask Gao if he can supply you a personal guard, as administrator of his lands
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>>4520038
support
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>>4520038
Maybe it would be better to frame it as we know how to hunt, but not how to fight?
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>>4520061
It'd be questionable, considering our size. Considering our clothing and origins, it'd be more easy to just convince him that we don't know jackshit about complex warfare and we really are just an peasant with insane strength, an goliath so to say.
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>>4520061
We know how to fight but have no formal training.
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>>4520066
We're an administrator, I don't think we're expected to do any warfare. Gao wants us to build up his villages, not wage his wars. Saying that we want to learn how to is going to look very suspicious.

>>4520017
>Ask Gao if he can supply you a personal guard, as administrator of his lands
Play up their role in protecting the villages while we build them up, rather than as personnel guards
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>>4520072
We don't need to say we need to learn, we just need to say we don't know about war and ergo need one of the guards to deal with that kind of stuff.
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>>4520075
That's a dumb excuse desu were at a pary why would war come up in any conversation with some hick from the country lmao
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If he asks why we'd need a guard, we could just frame as something like "Well why wouldn't a servant of Gao be afforded the protection of the finest guards in his employ?".
I'm sure he'll read that as us taking heed to keep up appearances as an official under him.
If he presses further, we can always just lie and say we wanted an errand boy who knew his way around a spear.
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>>4520066
I mean in training villagers to defend themselves. We can teach how to hunt fog panthers, but we can't train military guard that can serve in his armies.

Armies we'd eventually be using, but we aren't telling him that.
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>>4520137
we should frame it as a logistics thing. If we can build a good supply line than we can more efficiently ferry taxes to the capital.

Then we build up armies and fortifications, so that, next tax season we march on the capital when they come to collect.

>proletariat uprising
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>>4520144
I think it might be a better to try and gain Yan's favor and subvert Gao politically before we start an actual uprising.
If we stage a revolt against Gao, Yan is 100% gonna take that as a threat and throw his armies at us.
The revolt should wait until we can start subverting or replacing the lords under Yan.
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>>4520160
isn't Lady Qian there explicitly for that purpose? she does her shadow work, feeds info to us, we rebuild shit while infiltrating the courts. stage a coup?

we seem to have everyone that we need, a general, a politician, a religious leader, and (presumably) a soldier.

we rebuild and infiltrate this kingdom, and then set our sight upon the rest of the world.
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>>4520163
I'm saying we wait to engage in open hostilities towards Yan until we've safely replaced Gao and ideally a few of the other lords under Yan as well.
The moment we look like even the most mild of threats to Yan, I have a feeling he's gonna make our life harder by orders of magnitude.
I can only imagine him as the epitome of a cruel and paranoid tyrant. Pretty much Gao, but taken to the extreme and with the mental acumen to actually recognize threats to his power.
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How about we just ask for a bodyguard for Qian?
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>>4520167
do or die time.
we've seen what this planet had to offer in a micro and macro cosm.

knowing what we know about our purpose from the pod we should expedite this process. there is no reason to let it play out longer than we have to.

If we wanted to, we could probably take the city right now, but we're going for a proletariat uprising. we have to rebuild them, but we can move that process along faster

>don't fear for the dead, they will be reborn.
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>>4520180
She's the head of her noble house, she's probably already got plenty, just not in this sinfest
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>>4520182
>we've seen what this planet had to offer in a micro and macro cosm.
We haven't even seen the entirety of this Kingdom, much less the other ones on this planet.
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>>4520189
Eh I think we can make the presumption that the rest of the planet is as bad, I think we can brute force it right now but we have to weigh the cost vs benefit of doing it right now when were not very prepared
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>>4520189
I think we can extrapolate from what we know.
>courts generally corrupt
>smallfolk generally good
i'm sure that there will be individuals within both categories (hence the courtiers we got today) that are good and bad. We can look at that kingdom by kingdom as we build up this planet though
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>>4520017
>Ask Gao if he can supply you a personal guard, as administrator of his lands
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Calling the vote, and counting more carefully this time

Look into their eyes:1
Ask gao for a guard:7
Ask Qian to cause a scene:2

So Lieren will ask Gao for a personal guard for his administrative duties, to find the smart soldier. And other reasons, perhaps

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>>4520017
>Ask Gao if he can supply you a personal guard, as administrator of his lands

>>4520197
Eh, I think we just pull an Emps and turn Gao's kingdom into a fortified superpower before conquering the entire country. Would play well into the politics + warfare of ancient China, so long as we work well with Qian.
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>>4520197

We will need to establish our own first out of the one of Gao.
While we found this realm, we can also prepare a modernize and efficient administration for have a solid base for our future world empire. As well giving some basic education to our subjects, and creating a modern, disciplined, well trained and well armed army far superior to the one we will use for the rebellion.
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Of course, you had left your scouting of the guard who thinks and sees for last precisely because getting him alone with you to see if you had correctly guessed that he was virtuous from his actions and lack of actions from you quick study off him, would be difficult. Oh you could pick him out in a line or formation easily from his body language and eyes alone. It was a talent of yours, the difficulty lay in finding him without drawing suspicion to him.

Guozhi was thought of as a harmless eccentric, the last living remnant of a dead sect of philosophers and scholars. Even if you spoke to him in the middle of a crowd, no eyes would fall upon his back and no suspicion would blow his way. He was as a stone in the road, unnoticed, yet vital. All ignored him and his wisdom, which is why you felt safe in openly seeking him out.

Yin Lei, the black general of yan, the Unbroken thunder's howl. Even an idiot like Gao would know not to coat his hands in such a figure's blood, or have him executed. He was safe solely because he had a great amount of face, and whoever dared to turn against him would be facing down a legacy of victory and glories. Speaking to him did not endanger him, because among every ambitious party goer and parasitic noble leech, you could count those who would side against one of the heroes of Yan upon one hand. And Gao was not amongst their number. Which is why General Lei referred to the lord of this castle as a fat slug. He was untouchable by all but the most prestigious of opponents.

Qian Xia, the scarlet spider weaving her web and acting the part of the delicate, harmless flower. She was in a more volatile position to approach, like walking up a half broken bridge. One word wrong and she would've considered you an open threat and set her dogs upon you, one wrong move and they would have bit at you anyways out of pure jealousy. She was safe, but to speak to her was dangerous. Luckily you had been correct that beneath her masks and webs she was a virtuous woman, or at least one that desired what was best for the people, rather than herself. But merely brushing aside her web had no doubt gained you a few faceless enemies to contend with. But they would be easily dealt with, with your uneasy alliance with the Lady of Qian.

But the guard? He had no name, no house to protect himself, no social standing, no face. His was hidden behind a smiling mask tied to his head. None would defend him from Gao's wrath, none would defend him from anything. The three other virtuous souls were all protected, by the views the people saw them from. But the guard? no one would mourn him, no one would care were he to be hung. Drawing attention to him would be akin to grabbing his neck yourself and squeezing the life from him. Even a fool like Gao would suspect something if his new tool specifically tracked down one of his household guards to speak with them privately.
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>>4520312

But, what if Gao brought him to you? A servant would need guards, after all. Even if they were a giant. A smile spread on your lips, as you strode away from the courtyard, to find a private corner to wait until you'd be able to hatch your plan like fowl's egg. It would take until nightfall, to keep up the appearance Gao had seen in you. to keep him from being suspicious and disguise your entreaty as the fear of a man worried for his own life. Even giants may be brought low by spears, a dragon slain by a field mouse, a panther devoured by jackals.

Closing your eyes, you closed your eyes, emptying your thoughts as you slowed your breath, your hearts beating nearly ceasing. to the world, you'd appear to a sitting corpse. To Gao a man maintaining a lie. To those you had spoken to, a panther waiting to strike one final time.

The time came quickly, as you cut the distracting sights and sound from your perception, and waited for the spring air to cool with the coming of night. And then you stood, seeing that the fires had begun to die, and the courtyard was littered with the sleeping bodies of those who had drank themselves to a stupor. Some in darkened corners had clearly worn themselves out with other "Activities" Disgusting. They'd be cleaned off the floor before morning, and then they'd be gone and out of your sight. Hopefully you would never have to walk into another one of these wasteful, decadent displays of blind depravity and hedonism.

Walking to the doors leading into the castle's central fort, you bow to the guards, clasping your hands together

"I must speak with lord gao" You say, faking a panic as they look at you in shocked confusion, eyes wide beneath their jovial masks "it is a most urgent matter, please understand"

"We will, alert him of your demand" One of them says after a few moments.

"No I must meet with him by the end of the night, otherwise my life may be at risk!" You shout, the guard jumping and turning to his fellow who shrugs, lifting his flame tipped spear "Please, this humble administrator begs you, noble guards"

And like that, you've once again entered the heart of Gao's power, led through the fur covered halls, to the the throne rooms. You remain silent, keeping a look of terror upon your face as the guards explain the situation to their superiors. After looking to you, and remembering how Gao brought you here on your personal orders, they let you pass and escort you further.

Past the throne and into the hallway carved with the twin dragons and lit by the fires fed by oil. Half of them are out now and you can hear noises of passion and pain further ahead. the door leading to Lord Gao's room is closed. Cautiously one of the guards pauses before it, turning to his fellow. The second guard nods, his mask grinning as his eyes look ready to face the cold embrace of death.
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>>4520313

Slowly, the first raises his armored knuckles to the door, and raps it lightly. Silence falls, and a most infuriated growl comes from the room, followed by hurried footsteps. And moments later, an enraged and sloppily dressed Gao appears through the door way, his face red with anger and drink.

He's covered in sweat and oil, his robes hanging half open, his hair uncurled and flowing down his back like an unhindered waterfall.

"I specifically commanded, not to be disturbed until morning, pray tell me the meaning for this interruption before I take your" He says, pointing at the guards because he notices you and his anger fades a bit

"This one has demanded a meeting, he speaks of fearing for his life" The second guard says as the first goes silent.

"Leave us" Gao barks, the guards bowing and retreating down the hall quickly. Gao steps out of his room, closing the door and his robes. He glares up at you as you remain staring ahead, eyes filled with fake dread. Finally after some minutes the guards' footsteps fade away, and all that's left is the slowly burning fire, and the metal heating around them.

"What is the meaning of this? Who has threatened you, a giant from the fields who devours panthers?" Gao says, spitting on the furs of those very same panthers "who would be so foolish to do such a thing, when you could tear them to ribbons with as much ease as my hands due to roasted fowl?"

You fall to your knees.

"No one, oh might lord Gao, this humble future administrator merely had a troubling thought" You say, keeping up your mask of panic and shattered nerves "That he would be attacked as he carried out your will upon the land, and this humble Lieren does not know how to fight men"

"Even without training, any bandit would be far too cowardly to attack a literal giant" He says, poking your chest with one of his long nails, his face a terrible twist mask of annoyance

"I do not fear mere bandits my lord" You say as Gao gives you a confused look, running his fingers through his beard "But, as the lands of Gao turn to jade, surely their would be envious eyes, jealous hands, and spiteful men, seeking to stop your ascension before it starts"

"Rivals...trained killers, assassins" He says, nodding as he scratches at his neck through his beard "Very well, I shall interrupt my important business, to gather a personal guard to defend your person, train you in the ways of killing, if it comes to it"

You smile, you didn't even need to make the suggestion yourself. Perfect.

"I will call all of my household guard, the best trained and most loyal men in Gao, from them you may choose a number of men, no more than thirty" He says, waving his hand "Wait in my throne room, they will come to you, now leave me, we shall speak more of the dangers you will face in the line of duty in the morning"
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>>4520315

"Oh you are most generous and benevolent, wise Lord Gao, I shall never forget this kindness, this mercy" You say, laughing inside but keeping the joy from reaching your face
"For a hundred centuries my line shall serve yours"

"Yes yes, now leave me" He says, yawning as he turns away from you "and remember your place, it is only because of my benevolence that you walk away from this interruption unscathed, Lieren"


"Of course, Lord Gao, this one will remember your mercy" You say, allowing yourself to grin as he slammed the door, and sounds of copulation began once more, like drunken swine in rut.

You turned and left as quickly as your feet and long legs were able to carry you. And sat at the end of the fire pit, dipping your hands into its ashes, letting them run through your fingers until only the bones of those executed within its mouth remained.

This is why you were here, and you did not merely tear Gao's disgusting head from his body, plucking it like an over ripe plum
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It took two more hours for the guards to be called, nearly three, but now, crowed into the expansive throne room, were hundreds of men, over a thousand even. Eleven hundred and ninety seven to be exact, and among them were guards of the city and Ling's escorts. You could recognize them from how they held themselves and moved, their eyes and their scent and a thousand other little details.

Also among them, was the guard you were after

"Lord Gao has seen fit to grant his loyal servant a personal guard from among you, Lieren the hunter shall now choose from you thirty who are to be granted the honored of accompany the man who makes Jade from nothing, as he travels the land of Gao to bring prosperity and wealth to all, the lucky few of you shall be remembered for all time, stand straight and at attention, any break in discipline will be severely punished" One of the senior guards roar, before stepping back into line

Ah, there's the guard who learns from carp. He's in the sixth row of men, the sixty sixth in line. He stands out as his body is relaxed, light as a feather. While the other's carry their weight in their legs or stomach, his is spread throughout his body. Fascinating, that must be the secret to his fluid movements.

you'll choose him in the middle of your selection, so as not to draw attention to him. But now you must decide, on your twenty nine other guards.
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>>4520316

How do you select your personal guard, Lieren?
> Choose those who are close friends with the guard of carp and spread out from their
> Choose the youngest amongst them.
> Choose the most disciplined of their number
> grab them like sacks of rice and interview each one individually, all eleven hundred ninety seven of them
> Write in?
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>>4520319
> Choose the youngest amongst them.
While it may be more prudent in the short term to choose his closes comrades, I think it'd be more prudent if we grab the young guards.
They're malleable enough to where we could shape them into proper soldiers a lot easier than the other 1100 guards.
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>>4520319
>check them all for virtue
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>>4520321
I will support this is the the virtuous guard we're after is among the young.
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>>4520325
I support this too.
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>>4520319
> Choose the youngest amongst them.

And control them all for their virtues. If there are some rotten apples we can avoid to take them.
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>>4520319
> Choose the youngest amongst them.
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>>4520319
> Choose the youngest amongst them.
But!
> Also choose one or two of the old veterans who carry themselves well.

We will benefit from one or two vets who've been around the block, and only choosing say 2 at most will make sure they are isolated enough that they cant easily corrupt our other guards if we choose wrong.

Ying and yang people.
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>>4520380
Agreed. Switching to this course of action.
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>>4520038
Supporting this
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>>4520380
Supporting this, but try and pick older guards of virtue
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>>4520319
> Choose those who are close friends with the guard of carp and spread out from their
> Choose the youngest amongst them.
> Write in?
Get some Veterans.

We can pick 30, and if we want maybe 10 from each category.
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>>4520433
How do you want to ask for ones of virtue?
Give them all a question and sort via the answers?
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>>4520448
That's how we do it, look for the greed in their eyes, how they carry themselves and how they respond to our actions. Our perceptions are keen and shall reveal more than mere men can hope to see.
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>>4520319
> Choose the youngest amongst them
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>>4520325
I change my vote to add this >>4520380
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>>4520380
Effectively, use the vets as sergeants to lead the youngest? I'd go for that.

Vote:
> Choose the youngest amongst them.
But!
> Also choose one or two of the old veterans who carry themselves well.
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>>4520319
>> Choose those who are close friends with the guard of carp and spread out from their
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>>4520321
It would be much safer to choose the guys friends since you have to remember none of them will be loyal to us.
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>>4520568
In the beginning, you're right. But a primarchs charisma and knowing full well the way the wind blows will change that.
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>>4520516
support
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>>4520589
I also think it would be the more fun and interesting option.
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>>4520645
that's fair enough
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So who’s up for learning to carve?
https://www.tibettravel.org/blog/tibetan-stone-carving-culture/
https://itibettravel.com/tibet/tibetan-culture-and-tradition/tibetan-art-and-crafts/tibetan-wood-carving/
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So what do you guys think our first encounter with a psyker will be like?
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>>4520889
Technically speaking, we are the psyker

But i guess it depends on how psykers are in this world - considering it hasn't been overrun by daemons yet, i'm going to guess they're not that accepting of them.
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>>4520898
Oh you're right. As far as I know all Primarchs are psykers to some degree.
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>>4520889
I'm sure we'd be able to feel right away that something is "different", if not entirely "wrong".
As for our most likely introduction, I have a distinct feeling we might find something in the ruins of Guozhi's old monastery.
It troubles me that a group of souls that are probably about as aware of the higher mysteries as Guozhi just up and vanished. Sounds like they got eaten.
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>>4520904
The were the monks that the general killed, they walked back into their burning monasteries
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>>4520918
>The were the monks that the general killed, they walked back into their burning monasteries
No I understand that. I'm just saying, based on what Guozhi said, it's been some time since that event and he's yet to see any evidence of them being reincarnated.
Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
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>>4520922
The daemons ate them, I am guessing
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>>4520924
Anyways, I feel like I forgot an important bit.
If anybody was gonna be Psyker on this backwater planet, I'd put my money on it being those monks or some similar group.
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>>4520922
I wonder how they were able to through the Age of Strife...was it their collective belief giving a shield?
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>>4520933
Not a bad bet. Certainly some sorta mystic group
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>>4520939
I wouldn’t doubt there being some DAoT bullshit at work.
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>>4520946
It might be worth looking into down the line.
I'm sure if it is some lost human technology was keeping the demons out, there's likely some old mythology built around it.
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>>4520922
Eh, reincarnation for people isn't a canon thing in 40k, except for the shamans that killed themselves to form the Emperor. How would Guozhi know if someone is a reincarnation of monks?

>>4520933
I'd put my money on this world having some kind of alchemists that consort with warpbeings, monks seem antithetical to normal chaos worships
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Counting and calling
Youngest:9
two veterans: 6
friends:2
interview all of them:3

Alright, so mainly taking on younger guards with a couple of veterans, wins!

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>>4520889
I imagine Lieren would just calmly observe them bending the laws of reality until it posed a threat to him. Or you know a daemon tore its way through the poor psyker's sphincter
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>>4520972
Presumably because he is also a reincarnation. Shangrila's equivalent to the shamans.

>>4520973
Heres hoping we get a virtuous crop
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Can’t wait till Malal bring out the fucked up Taoist shit.
>>4520972
It’s not 40k.
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>>4520978
All the shamans were killed to make the Emperor, reincarnation doesn't work anymore since the warp became violent during the dawn of civilization

There could be some weird giant gellar field on the planet, but it's not likely that reincarnation is anything more than philosophy
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>>4520973
Time to get our new guard, then.

I do hope we get to go back home after this, it's been so long that even i am tired of having to be in this castle and deal with politics. The sooner we go back, the sooner we can do something practical.
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>>4520986
And the further away we are from murdering these fuckers when our restraint slips.
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>>4520990
I honestly just want to go back to nothing so we can pick up on where we left. We NEED to improve the farms and get the metal industry up and running, or else improving the other villages will be much harder.

Also, i want to get to the point of choosing our own weapon, there's been discussion over it but i want to finally reach a consensus and have an option chosen.
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>>4521004
I think we still have a couple of days to study the pod to compeltion, then salvage it later to make our weapon and armour.
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>>4521004
Honestly we should train with a variety of weapons.
>>4521017
Still against it.
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>>4521017
I think it'd be dumb to salvage the pod, who knows what kind of stuff it's got, it's top-tier tech and it'd be dumb to salvage it.

I mean, we're still an 1 year old, give Lieren a few months or a year and he won't even need armor to go against shangralan fighters.
>>4521019
Well, we need a main weapon, don't we? It's one thing to practice weapons outside of your main one, but in the end we still need the one that we'll use most.

I think a polearm is the best choice. I don't think any primarch uses polearms. Spear maybe, but no polearm.
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>>4521019
Once we have memorized every last bit of information, the pod has nothing more to offer us than materials
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>>4521004
I feel the best weapon overall is one that's always on hand and extremely flexible in its uses.
In that regard, I pick the body.
In the more traditional sense, the staff.
It's got a variety of uses and can be modified to suit just about any situation. Not to mention beating out warlords with a length of wood would give us a certain reputation, and that's something I think is important right now.
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>>4521031
Don't the pods have basic communication tech imbedded in them?
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>>4521026
Only the custodes really use polearms. Though my thoughts are that we should focus on the 4 main weapons of China the dao, jian, qiang, and gun.
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>>4521036
Most likely. It’s also DAoT stuff so scrapping it is just short term gains.
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>>4521034
Halberd with a gun, like the costodes?
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>>4521039
>Sword, sword, spear and staff
All are already used by other primarchs, though.
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>>4521034
Maybe a staff would work against normal humies, but what to do when we're facing off against gigantic orks, car sized bugs and "Less reputable" creatures?
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>>4521039
For future reference it'd probably be less confusing for anons if you just used the western names for those weapons.
>>4521040
Fair point. I say we give it another once over before we think about scrapping it though.
>>4521041
>Halberd with a gun, like the costodes?
When we start crusading, maybe.
For now though, I personally wanna stick with a basic staff for thematic purposes.
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>>4521043
So? You’re not going to get anything original.
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>>4521045
Come one. Once we make autoguns we gotta style on our brothers. Autogun Halberd using heavy stubber rounds. Cuz big boolets fer big boyz. Then we upgrade to hotshot lasers once we develop those.
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>>4521041
Or maybe an polearm with an retractable edge - as in, it's a staff, but it can turn into an polearm, that'd be better than going with an piece of wood into battle.

And once we get to space level, we could start using a more complex design.
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>>4521045
Jian and dao are two different types of swords
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>>4521052
wrong guy, but maybe just delineate them by number of edges in their respective titles
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>>4521052
A sword is a sword.
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>>4521060
Whatever you say bud
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So, you move through the gathered crowd of guards and killers. They remain still as statues, for fear of their lives and of the golden eyed, iron haired giant that walks among them, gracefully despite his size. Their eyes remained fixed ahead, staring upon the backs of their fellows, only glancing up the moment you walk by them before quickly refocusing as you meet their gaze. Watching every minute mannerism, you observe the pink armored men carefully, one by one. In the front of the formation of hundreds, are the older guards, the veterans of Gao's men, scarred and dead eyed as Yin Lei was. No doubt he had ordered to stand before their subordinates, so they would have a better chance of being picked to escort you across his lands.

For their loyalty? or to be rid of them? Still, it would be wise to take at least two of them among your thirty, if only so their experience can be passed on to the other twenty eight, while keeping any corruption in their heart or loyalty to Gao isolated from the rest of your men. And that may be an unnecessary precaution, if you choose the right veterans, the ones who have not been seduced by Gao's wealth and life style.

So you stop in between the first row of a hundred men, and the second, and retread your steps, carefully looking into the depth's of each older man's eyes, to see what lies within them. All the while, you have said not a word or even made a sound towards the gathered guardsmen. You can only imagine what is running through their minds, as a giant considers them each individually like they were plums hanging heavy on a branch, like a potter selecting his clay to begin his work.

Two of them stand out to you, a man whose war mask has been cracked and repaired with bands of metal. A scar upon his face along the same angle, turning his mouth and jaw into a ruin. He does not turn away when you look upon him, but merely gazes back at you, studying you as you study him. Raising your arm up, you tap him on the shoulder with two of your fingers

"The first" You say simply as you turn away from him and walk back down the line

"Venerable Zian has been chosen! remove yourself from the line up at once!" One of the guards in the first row bellows, as the man with the ruined face walks out of the line, which closes rank the second he does. There's a tense excitement in the air, usurping the fear that was once present, as if all within the throne room realized that you did not intend to devour their flesh and crush their bones, but rather hire them as they were gathered for and instructed.

The next veteran you choose, is a man with a grey mustache, and a missing eye covered by a piece of metal formed into the shape of a grinning mouth. A stranger eyepatch you have never seen, but Lord Gao does have an obsession with smiles it would seem, so it is not as bizarre as it would be if you spotted it somewhere outside of his estate.
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>>4521067
the reason this cyclops caught your eye and interest instead of his fellows, is his relaxed posture. While his comrades are tense either with fear or excitement at taking another step up the social ladder, he is calm, serene almost. With relaxed shoulders, and a slight slouch, he is uncaring of the glory he could gain or the danger you pose. Another brave soul like his brother in arms, Zian.

You tap his shoulder with two fingers, and he looks up at you, his single eye narrowing as he does. Suspicious most likely, of why he was chosen over his comrades and peers.

"The second" You say as you move on, the man taking a meandering step out of the line, watching you as you pass him by, and certainly long after

"Respected Rong, join Zian as wise Lieren continues his selection!" The same guard as before roars, as you clasp your hands behind your back, casually walking among the gathered men as if they were stalks of rice or a field of flowers. Now you can begin your selection in earnest.

From their ranks, you select the youngest among them, those who would have spent the least amount of time in Gao's employ and thus have a chance to have escaped his corrupting influence. and even if their morals have been sullied, they would still be moldable, malleable enough that you could make them into virtuous men and proper soldiers with enough time. Unlike their comrades who have been with him for years and years, and were more likely to be rotten to the core.

With the help of Zian, Rong and your Brothers of Panthers back at Nothing, soon their inexperience would not matter in the slightest. You would take them, iron unforged and uncorroded by rust, and form them into men of steel and dignity. Not a knife upon your back, but a sword in your hand. And to make sure you can gain their loyalty and friendship with ease, you listen carefully as their names are called and they leave the line.

It will be easy to remember the names of thirty men, a trifling matter for your mind, but to your guards, it will show you care for them and see them as brothers rather than servants. And that will be far more than Gao or any of his other servants have ever done for them. And that will win their loyalty more than any gold or prestige.

And halfway through your selection, you reach the guard who watched and learned from carp. He stands out, of course, for his odd way of distributing his weight and center of mass throughout his body rather than centering it.

"The seventeenth" You say, tapping him on his shoulders with two fingers, before you move on to the next candidate.

"Young Jinhai" the guard announcing your selection growls, growing annoyed by you spurning him and his fellow veterans for boys still green in the ways of battle "You have been chosen, join the rest"

Jinhai? You would have to speak to him at length about the knowledge he has found himself, and see how truly deep his well of wisdom is dug.
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>>4521070
From what you have observed, he is a practitioner of a soft style, unlike Gao's other men, who certainly seem to follow a simple hard style of combat.


The way he holds himself and moves tells you he does not meet force by attempting to crush it beneath his own.

But you turn your thoughts back to the other men, of which you still had thirteen to choose from. it would take time to select the brightest among the most youthful of them, but it was an effort worth its time. Like building a fire, or constructing a wall, it must be done and could not be done in half measures. You would not let a cancer fester within the very foundation of your guards. Like selecting the right horses for breeding a fine steed worthy of legend, you would only take those who were still pure, untainted and not so set in their ways they could not be taught and trained in yours.

Tomorrow morning, you would officially become the Administrator of Gao's lands, and given an the sign of your office, and be sent out to preform your work accompanied by these men. To turn this starving land into a orchard of jade, to bring prosperity to the people of Gao, making them respected throughout Yan and its master wealthy. To better the lives of its people, before continuing your ambitions further. To the whole of Yan, to the whole of Shangrala. Soon, no longer would any man go to bed hungry, or any child fear the cold and fog. Of that you swore to yourself.

How do you begin your duties, Lieren?
>return to Nothing and make it your headquarters and staging area for your plans of innovation and betterment for all
>Travel the lands of Gao, and make a comprehensive record of the people, villages and resources squandered within
> Address your guards, and explain your duties, while being friendly and open with them all, especially Jinhai
>Spend a few nights drilling your men so they are at least up to what you consider passable
> write in?
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>>4521073
> Address your guards, and explain your duties, while being friendly and open with them all, especially Jinhai
We can start drilling them once we reach Nothing and can inform the village of our current duties and motives.
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>>4521073
>Explain duties
>Return to nothing
>Travel all the land

In that order. This way we have a firm basis of what we can and cannot do, then we get information about what needs doing. Once we know what needs doing, we can start uplifting them and earning their loyalty, one village at a time.
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>>4521051
Would rather eschew weapons altogether than that.
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>>4521073
>> Address your guards, and explain your duties, while being friendly and open with them all, especially Jinhai
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>>4521073
>Return to nothing
>Address soldiers
We need to get back to improving our village. We can travel once nothing is able to stand on its own fully.
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>>4521073
> Address your guards, and explain your duties, while being friendly and open with them all, especially Jinhai
>return to Nothing and make it your headquarters and staging area for your plans of innovation and betterment for all
Keep our feet balanced on the ground before we reach for heaven.
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> Address your guards, and explain your duties, while being friendly and open with them all, especially Jinhai
>Travel the lands of Gao, and make a comprehensive record of the people, villages and resources squandered within
>return to Nothing and make it your headquarters and staging area for your plans of innovation and betterment for all

I say travel first, then return to nothing. Shows we are dedicated to the role, and while we are building the headquarters at Nothing we can plan out how to improve the land at the same time.
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>>4521073
>Address your guards, and explain your duties, while being friendly and open with them all, especially Jinhai
>Travel the lands of Gao, and make a comprehensive record of the people, villages and resources squandered within
>return to Nothing and make it your headquarters and staging area for your plans of innovation and betterment for all
Sticking around for too long will piss off gao and we need to know what we're dealing with
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>>4521073
> Address your guards, and explain your duties, while being friendly and open with them all, especially Jinhai
>return to Nothing and make it your headquarters and staging area for your plans of innovation and betterment for all
I think it's best to build up a base first, travelling to all the other villages wouldn't give us much results unless we spent serious time within them. As long as we don't spend too long in Nothing, I think travelling afterwards would be a good idea.
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>>4521073
>>return to Nothing and make it your headquarters and staging area for your plans of innovation and betterment for all

> Address your guards, and explain your duties, while being friendly and open with them all, especially Jinhai
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>>4521084
support
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Calling the vote now, and counting.

Address your guards:10
Return to nothing:8
Travel the lands:4

Alright, so Lieren shall address his guards, and explain to him his duties, before returning to Nothing to begin his work

And while travel the land does have the bare minimum votes required to be added, as this determining your first course of action as administrator, I consider it mutually exclusive with setting up a staging area to begin spreading prosperity.
As the beginning of your duties at least. That's my logic behind why I don't think it can't blend with returning to nothing at least. As this vote represents you first official actions as the administrator of Gao's lands, if that makes sense. Not saying its cut off forever or anything, just that it won't make it into THIS update for that reason.

anyways, writing the update, figured I'd explain myself before I did.
Also my apologies for only being active late at night the last few days, my sleep schedule has gotten fucked
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>>4521084
Supporting this plan
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>>4521086
That is just another form of arrogance mate. 30k and 40k have foes that require weaponry to beat, even for a primarch.

Staff will allow for unarmed combat variation, and if we build in a energy emitter so we can turn it into a pole arm, or some method to affix a blade, then we can have the best of most worlds.
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>>4521232
Its fine, man. Try to take care of yourself.
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With the morning dawn and the crowing of a wild cock somewhere in the village beneath Gao's castle, your personal guard are gathered into the courtyard. The sun shines upon them, casting their pink painted armor a blaze with its soft, lingering glow. Their are new additions to their armor, their war masks have been swapped out for grimacing, frowning faces painted blue. Which clashes horribly with their bright pink, garish armor. The new lacquer and varnish almost glows in the light of the rising sun, and their spears have been replaced with a less lavish and plain killing tool, outside of the thin cutting of jade placed between the spear head and pole.

You have called them to wait for you, as soon as you awoke from what small of amount of sleep you required, and so they were awoken and rallied, some still drunk from celebrating their promotions the night before. Striding from the carp you had been admiring, you stand before them, turning to face them directly instead of addressing them with your back turned. Speaking to them as something closer to equals, rather than obedient dogs. You, yourself had been dressed in the uniform Gao had hastily created through the night.

A long azure robe of silk, the color of deep water, the sleeves slowly turning to color of plums and deepening the color until it reached the end of them. What would've been the trailing tail of the robes, but instead only reached to your ankles, was colored peach pink, and edged with silver string shaped into the vague depiction of panthers being strangled by mobile roots and vines. Upon the back of the robes was gold thread sewn into the shape of the symbol of the Gao lineage. In the rays of the rising sun, you must've seemed like nobility yourself.

Covering your hair, was a flat topped hat, with a wide brim, like Lings, except yours was colored Azure and plum, rather than maroon and pink. And on its center sat a ring of jade, held in place by oiled leather rapped around the width of the hat. You were told you guards would share your colors eventually, as this was a rushed job to get you out and working for the betterment of the people, and primarily Gao himself.

"Ah, my brothers" You say, clasping your hands together and bowing deeply to the assembled men, who quickly return the gesture, Jinhai being the first to do so, followed closely by Zian and then Rong, the rest follow behind them as they realize they're being greeted by their new "master" "I have gathered you all together, so you may better understand the importance of the duties you will be escorting me to accomplish, as administrator of Gao's lands"

You unclasp your hands and spread your arms wide, smiling warmly to all of them, and then grinning in happiness as they all stand back to attention
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>>4521305

"For you see, my brothers, you are to ensure I am safe as I travel the lands under Gao's rule, to bring prosperity and wealth to the people, from the lowest farmer, to the highest lord, Lord Gao himself. I have been ordered, to finish off the famine and end the poverty that so plague the people" You explain softly, talking as if you were speaking to an old friend you had not seen for sometime "To make the lands prosperous once more, and raise all who live upon them to bounty and plenty. And to do so properly, I must be protected from"

You click your tongue and look over your shoulder, acting as if you were checking for curious listeners, before continuing your speech

"Threats from outside of Gao's lands" You say, narrowing your eyes and straightening you back, moving you arms behind it as you took a deep breath and let it out "Who may become jealous of the wealth and plenty I create, and wish to take the prosperity of Gao for their own, or even slay me to stop me from aiding the people, large and small"

Nodding, you begin to pace back and forth in front of them, as they all remain silent, watching you like a field mouse watches a starving cat. Shadows from the nearby fruit trees fall upon you, mingling with the light of dawn, crawling over your body like creeping roots or grasping fingers. The shade falls upon you utterly as you step under one of the larger trees, before you start speaking to the men once more.

"Which is why your duty is one of utmost importance, for you shall be my guardians, my companions, as I walk these lands, creating jade from nothing, bringing prosperity to every corner of Gao's realm" You say, stepping closer to them, Jinhai in particular. All of them turn to follow your movement, as you place a hand of Jinhai's shoulder, nearly covering it entirely.

"And it is for this reasons, I implore you all, do not think of me as a master, or commander, or superior, or anything of the sort" You say, giving Jinhai a friendly, brotherly shake, being careful not to grip him too hard or hurt him as you jostle him "But rather, I want you to see me, and know me, as a brother and friend instead, someone who you can be at ease around and talk to freely, I will not punish any insulting words or criticism or anything but the most flagrant abandoning of your duties or abuse of power. For I am not your master"

Smiling, you look down at Jinhai, and then to Zian, and then to Rong, and then to the rest of your men

"I am your brother, and friend, and encourage you to speak your mind to me, to question my orders and authority and act as friends would" You say laughing, clapping your hands together as you walk among them "You may talk freely to one another, and myself, and rest when you must rest. Laugh when you must laugh, and cry when you must cry. So, let me greet you all once again"

Smiling brightly, you take a step away from them so you can see all of them.
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>>4521307
"I am Lieren, of nothing, humble servant of Lord Gao, and administer of his lands" You say bowing before rising, tall and mighty, spreading your arms out like wings once more "and by my side, you shall all be remembered, as the men who brought wealth and prosperity to all of the lands of Gao, and one day, to all of Yan, and even further beyond. but, let us start small, turning each village and farming community, into jade, and then spread our ambitions further and further until all men may reach the heavens, such is the bounty I have promised to Gao, and his people"

"So you're going to get us all killed when Gao isn't satisfied with your work?" Zian asks, facing you and staring into your eyes as you shake your head

"It may sound impossible, what I have promised, but trust in your brother, Zian, I shall achieve what I have promised and far more, with your aid, and the aid of the rest of my protectors, this I swear to you, and all people of Yan, upon the name of my father and his father, I will succeed!" You say, your voice raising in volume until it becomes a confident shout, a proclamation to all under heaven "All shall prosper! Not one man shall suffer the ravages of hunger ever again, nor will another child die from winter's cruel embrace, I swear! upon all eight court, we will succeed"

Zian's eyes fill with child like wonder and he kneels before you, hands clasped together, clearly inspired by your words

"Forgive this one for his impudence!" he says, his voice filled with energy and faith "he was foolish to challenge your vision, forgive this guardian for his blindness, oh wise Lieren"

"Friend Zian, rise, did I not just tell you I shall not punish slights and insults to myself? You are my brother" You say, tapping his shoulder with two fingers "Rise as one, and stand beside me once more"

"Incredible" Jinhai gasps, gripping his spear "you were honest, about everything, you truly intend to turn the land to jade"

"This one does not speak lies" You laugh, the tenseness in the air as a few of your guards join you in laughter "All I say is honest, all I speak is the truth, beside me, you shall witness as I turned lifeless soil and manure into the most resplendent of jade, this is my gift to all of you, a place in history and legend, as the great benefactors of Gao, no of Yan...No, OF SHANGRALA HERSELF!!"

A cheer rises as you lift you hands high into the air, and then bring them down

"But enough preaching, I have spoken our purpose and named you all my brothers in hardship and plenty, we shall set off to begin our grand work as soon as some of our brother" You say, chuckling as you turn to the hungover few "Regain their senses and wake up to the world"

Rong and Zian stand fast, as the younger guards heckle their drunken brethren, laughing at their expense. Jinghai merely looks at you, like a respected older brother, the purest joy shimmering in his eyes.
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>>4521310

"And then, we shall travel, to my home village of nothing, where we shall begin our work, spreading its prosperity to neighboring villages and lands" You say joyously, clapping you hands together "It shall become your home as well, for it will the headquarters of our prosperous jade initiative"

"I am honored to be welcomed into your home" Zian says, his ruined jaw slurring his words as he bows.


Rong does the same a breath later

"As I am, we will not forget this kindness" he says, yawning as he speaks.

"To deny hospitality to friends and family, would be the greatest sin a man could commit to them, outside of bringing them their death by his own hand" You say, leaving your men to recover as you go meditate and focus your thoughts beneath a plum tree.

Beginning now, your true labor began
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in the village with no name, now called Nothing in records and by word of mouth, the Loyal Guard feng patrolled the outerwall, lantern held aloft in the air, tied to his spear. Its burning radiance banished the fog around him, allowing his eyes to see the area around him far clearer than he would unassisted. Since his friend and head of the village, Lieren had left to visit that fat weasel Gao, things have been tense in nothing. None knew when or if he'd return, the people silently mourned his absences, working and returning to the comforts of their home day by day.

While Feng, and his fellow brothers of the panthers, guarded them and hunted the wild woods and fog, protecting the village from beasts and any men who'd wish to harm it. It had been a few weeks since Lieren had left, and he would surely be making his journey back to Nothing soon, if he were to return at all.

Suddenly the hairs on Feng's neck bristled. Movement, sound, a presence in the fog. He readied his spear, the lantern dancing beneath its blade as he gazed in the white wall that surrounded him. A panther? Seeing him as easy prey? A desperate bandit seeking his life? Or perhaps a mere Mist jackal wandering from its pack.

A great shadow walked in the very edge of his distance, and Feng lowered his spear, relief flooding through his mind and body. Lieren had returned, it could be nothing and no one else. As the mighty silhouette of his friend drew closer, he heard unfamiliar voices, singing one of the panthers own celebration songs.

Smaller shadows appeared around Lieren, and Feng watched in awe, as thirty men, dressed in the finest armor he's seen, finer than even the men accompanying tax collector Ling wore, appeared alongside his massive friend and comrade.

And Lieren himself, no longer wore furs or leather, but rather fine silks, the colors of deep water and ripe plums, with a finer hat than the tax collectors on his head, leading the strangers in their song. Feng nearly fainted when he saw that each of their spears had a small coin of jade at their ends.

And that Lieren's hat had a full ring of it tied to it.
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>>4521311

The guards surrounded him as they stumbled upon feng, but dispersed as Lieren raised a might hand to the air.

"Ah, friend Feng, it has been so long since I've seen you, we must catch up" He said, his booming voice speaking in his usual kind and gentle manner "Stand down, my friends, this is one of the guardians of this place! Brave Feng, who slew a panther while caught in its jaws"

Reality seemed to shatter as the men all kneeled to Feng.


"Greetings" they said, speaking freely unlike the statue men who followed ling "Friend of Lieren, we are his guardians"

Lieren laughed and so did the men, armored in pink, with horrid mask frowning and grimacing to the world.

"Alert my father! Wenyan's son has returned!" Lieren hollered, hooting as he strode past his guards and friends, running for the gates to his home
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"My son, my son!" Wenyan cries as the villagers surround and crowd you, pulling and touching at your fine silks "You have returned to us! whole and safe!

"As I promised I would, oh wise father" you say, kneeling before him "Gao has raised me to a great position, it is why he summoned me, but I have returned"

"I never thought you would abandon us, even if he offered to make you a lord" Father says, nearly crying as he stands before you "I was worried he'd find a reason to have you executed when you arrived in his court"

"He was touched by my ambitions, to spread the prosperity of our village, to all lands outside of it" You say, standing back up and slouching to look your father in his eyes
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"This place will be the center of my efforts, my headquarters. All shall know the name of Nothing, and Lieren, son of Wenyan, great hunter of the wilds. Who makes jade from nothing"

There's a great cheer through the people, some of the women clinging to your arms or legs as they cry and sob, and one or two of the brothers of panthers, who are acting like widowers who just had their wives returned to them from beyond the grave
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It did not take long to establish trust in your personal guard among your kin, mostly because they do not act like faceless monsters around them. Zian seems to have taken a liking to Feng and Half jaw Hu, while Rong has to practically fight off the twins Jiang and Liang from following his every step. And of Jinhai, you have made certain to foster a friendship with the young man, and have even allowed him to share dinner with you and your father.

All was well. but as you watched your guards training in the early mists of the morning, you knew you must choose a path of which to pave the road to prosperity, starting from Nothing.
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>>4521315

What would be your first focus in bringing prosperity to the lands, to start with, Lieren?
> Innovation and the betterment it brings, made possible by the knowledge your pod has given you
> The ability to protect and defend themselves, from the youngest child, to the eldest elder
> Sustainable sources of food, that can be grown even in the harshest winter or summers
> Safe roads and unity between villages and the people, no longer shall a village suffer alone
> Write in?
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>>4521318
>> Safe roads and unity between villages and the people, no longer shall a village suffer alone
Let's start simple.
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>>4521318
>> Safe roads and unity between villages and the people, no longer shall a village suffer alone
we should all rise together. once we have a foothold in each town we can build up defenses and start proper training
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>>4521318
> Safe roads and unity between villages and the people, no longer shall a village suffer alone
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>>4521318
> Safe roads and unity between villages and the people, no longer shall a village suffer alone
Combat training from the get-go would be incredibly suspicious I feel.
Also having travel infrastructure set up would make any type of logistics and relief efforts go 1000 times smoother.
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>>4521318
>>Safe roads and unity between villages and the people, no longer shall a village suffer alone
apes strong together
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Do you think Gao would notice if we just made our own uniform and replaced our current one?
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>>4521318
> Safe roads and unity between villages and the people, no longer shall a village suffer alone
Connected communities ensures collective protection and the exchange of needed goods. Once the roads are secured, we can work on other things, such as crops so people do not starve, then weapons.
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>>4521359
I would like to get rid of the more ostentatious aspects of our uniform for something more practical and locally sourced
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>>4521359
>>4521359
Probably
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> Safe roads and unity between villages and the people, no longer shall a village suffer alone

Even with personal attention, a village can only go so far alone. And even without investing ourselves utterly into each one, just the simple ability to trade will pay dividends even at the meager level most operate at, and would similarly cause a multiplier on later efforts rather than mere addition.
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>>4521366
Same. Something that can blend into the foliage and fog would be more beneficial. Maybe once we get the starvation issue out of the way, and begin training, we can swap out the uniforms for things more practical and less gay. Crossbows, steel weapons, superior armor.
Master crafted low tech gear here we come.
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>>4521366
I think for ourselves a nice simple set of robes, preferably made of something durable like sail cloth.
We could also keep our leather boots as those are still practical.
As for ornaments...oversized prayer beads maybe?
Oh, and we'd need to incorporate our personal symbol somewhere, which I assume would be a Fog Panther.
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What colors will our legion be?

I like the idea of carved jade pauldrons, white main body, and gold trim
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>>4521377
I had an idea for our general aesthetic, pic related with maybe some jade accents.
Though that's just for dress uniforms and such, combat uniforms would prioritize practicality. Camo is the name of the game.
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>>4521373
I personally would prefer armor. Something of this era of technology that's as good as flak armor if it could ever be considered master crafted. Maybe a cloak over the armor?

>>4521377
Those sounds like good colors, but who knows what the final colors might be. Might be better to explore the whole world first imo.
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>>4521379
>>4521377
gold/jade plus grey or off-white. something between our hair and the fog. or maybe we could combine them
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>>4521381
>I personally would prefer armor
I mean if an when we're involved in a conflict, yeah we'd have our own armor.
But we're an administrator for now. The bulk of our duties aren't gonna require us to be armed and armored.
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>>4521384
True, but better to have and not need, than need and not have.
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>>4521387
Fair enough.
I feel like we should try to get in touch with a talented smith down the line to facilitate.
We'll probably need one for the road project anyways.
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>>4521382
thoughts?
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>>4521391
Wouldn't our legion be in Mk. II pattern suits when we meet them?
Also I'm not sure about that specific color combination.
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>>4521394
They would be, yeah.
Here's a link to download chapter generator and how to use it. It a lot has more options than the Bolter and Chainsword online painter.

https://bitbucket.org/chaptergenerator/chaptergenerator/downloads/
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>>4521391
imma gonna go with a tentative Yes. I like the shading, but there's something a little too green around the head with the backing being green as well.

I don't know what to change about it exactly but I like it, hence the (tentative) yes.
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>>4521394
yeah, this is just the first painter that came up, there's probably other ones that let you change the mark of power armor

Alternate silver, jade, grey design
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>>4521401
Swapped the power pack's color
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>>4521402
moar gold filigree
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>>4521407
I now realize that I've made inverse Mentors. It would actually make sense for our personality if they were the Space Marines that were folded into the ultramarines then made into a separate chapter following the heresy
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>>4521412
Can I see it with gold on the shoulder inlays?
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>>4521415
Getting dangerously close to dark angel territory, though I suppose they didn't turn green till after the heresy
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>>4521412
>>4521417
Alright, now, last thing(Maybe not), lemme see it with a green stomach. One with, and one without the inlay on the shoulders
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Here's the MKII.
I personally think that we're oversaturating the green astartes market with this. Maybe we should consider other colors that china likes. Red is considered lucky, I believe.
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>>4521426
Is there a slightly more blue shade of green available?
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>>4521318
> Sustainable sources of food, that can be grown even in the harshest winter or summers
>Mix in some agricultural improvements and developments from the pod.

Road are nice and all, but there was a famine and we don't know what was the true cause.
The majority of the land is agricultural. Get some nice food surplus everywhere for a start. Then do other bullshit.
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>>4521429
>Road are nice and all, but there was a famine and we don't know what was the true cause.
We can assume it's the absolutely retarded level of tithes Gao demands from his people combined with plain bad luck in terms of crop yield.
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>>4521427
like a mix of Jade and aquamarine?
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>>4521431
This work? I also made the belt and medallion gold because I thought it'd look neat. If anyone wants to put forward their own, I welcome it.
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>>4521431
Something that isn't just default green. There's a world of colors to be explored.
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>>4521430
Hungry people make for poor workers.
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didnt finish it all the way, but as far as actual color goes, thoughts on green blue combos?
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>>4521366
>>4521377
I'd like to dye the armor green and brown, maybe add some blue or gold trim.
Want practical down to earth colors that can also help with blending into the environment.
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>>4521412
>>4521432

Nice colors
Thinking about it the safe roads should give us fighting experience, wealth and equipment from killing bandits and thieves. The first will help Lieren and his men, the other two can be redistributed among the villages. If there are any bandits and thiefs groups around, which with the state of Gao villages i suspect they have bloomed, unless Gao armies keep the law like they bring war to other states or neighbouring lords.

Some art of a fan made primarch oriental inspired
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/gJGlOE
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/ADLP5
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>>4521377
>>4521379
>>4521437
Do we remember all of the cultures on Shangrala with irl counterparts? If you do, tell me and I'll look for colors significant to them, paint up another few models.
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>>4521318
> Sustainable sources of food, that can be grown even in the harshest winter or summers
While roads make travel easier, faster and safer, it also means all the other villages people will flock to us as refugees due to famine and lack of food. We'd get swamped with more mouths than what we can feed. Probably more during winter time.
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Here's one with a cool spear, because I remembered that being talked about. I'm enjoying this paint scheme discussion too much.
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>>4521318
> Safe roads and unity between villages and the people, no longer shall a village suffer alone
Worst comes to worst famine wise we can always hunt fog panthers. Would also give us a good excuse to train up our soldiers.
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>>4521454
Looking very nice anon. I kind of want to mix in a little red or even purple for the whole China aspect, but I wouldn't know where to put it.
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>>4521465
Your wish is my command, anon. I'll get right on that tomorrow, for now I must sleep.
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>>4521454
This one. This one I like a lot.
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>>4521454
Personally I feel like there's too much green now (though I'm not a fan of the idea about our boys wearing green in the first place)

Wish I could fiddle around with coloring armor myself but I'm stuck using a phone for a little while longer
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>>4521447

Food shouldn t be an issue while we do this job. Remember that our village could probably share some supplies, Gao is sending us more food, we will gain food for the villages from killing beasts and taking the stolen food of thiefs/bandits and if as an administrator we receive a pay we can probably use it for buy food to send to the villages.
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But jade, the valuable kind, come in every color. If it were up to me it would be the colors of the five directions: white, black, azure, vermillion, and yellow.
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>>4521379
That’s the Azure Dragon of the East one of four sacred beasts that guard the center.
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Here's my first attempt at the 2nd legion color scheme, i tried to follow the whole "jade" theme but thought that adding red could be good
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>>4521491
Having an azure dragon-ish color scheme would be cool, but i don't know a way in which you'd be able to differ yourself from the other blue-wearing chapters
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>>4521499
Thing is there are 4 gaurdian beasts.
White Tiger of the West
Black Tortoise of the North
Vermilion Bird of the South
Azure Dragon of the East
And there is the one they guard which represents humanity.
Yellow Emperor/Dragon of the Center.
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>>4521493
Here's my second attempt at an design, this time white & gold
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>>4521318
>Safe roads
>Sustainable sources of food
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>>4521493
That. That I like.
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>>4521318
> Safe roads and unity between villages and the people, no longer shall a village suffer alone
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>>4521318
>Safe roads and unity between villages and the people, no longer shall a village suffer alone.
investment and specialization is really good. Some villages have to work too hard to grow food, but are perfectly placed to make tools. Some are placed on good ground, but don't have the tools to use that ground to the fullest.
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>>4521504
I actually really like this style, i think the gold and white contrast pretty good. Also, i don't know of any important chapter with white & gold color scheme, the grey knights are grey and the white scars are white with red.

Other designs aren't bad, of course, but i just like this particular color scheme. I think it'd fit fairly enough, considering the chinese theme.
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>>4521548
I've got the whole gang, in fact.

I hope i'm not spamming, by the way, i just like these designs i made on the app.
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>>4521548
I feel like we should have a light green to reflect Jade somewhere on the design. Maybe the hands/gauntlet?
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>>4521558
The problem is that if you added it, it'd become an four color design, or three if you don't count black details. As a whole, Jade's just not very good for marine armor.

Basically, it'd look off. I even tried checking how it'd look if you just changed the eyecolor to jade, but it'd still look off.
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>>4521504
>>4521548

I like it
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>>4521563
Fair nuff.

Probably work it in as some other facet of the legion, like a medal perhaps.
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>>4521552
Also, hey, i just realized that it coincides with Lieren's golden eyes and (depending on the kind of iron) his hair
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Alright, I'm up and very happy to see these new designs. For those of you who aren't a fan of green, here's a version in blue. I tried to get a ming vase-ish shade. Maybe someone with photoshop can add some details? My only apprehension to this design is that it's overly reminiscent of the World Eaters. Eyes are gold though, just like Lieren.
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>>4521594
I'm still a bigger fan of >>4521493, but this blue design is also pretty good, Reminds me of the ultra-marines of 40k more than the worldeaters of the 31st century.
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>>4521595
Thank you, and that's perfectly fair! I'm mostly doing this just to get my creative juices flowing, so to speak, I would rather wait to see if a color makes itself clear as being important to Lieren (other than his gold eyes) and the story.
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>>4521594
This reminds me of the Imperial Castellans, or Mentor Legion or even Paretors of Orpheus, they're kinda similar except your design has golden details and blue legs.

It's good, though. Still, if i'm to be honest, i'm not a big fan of having the difference of color between upper leg and lower leg.
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>>4521568
>Probably work it in as some other facet of the legion, like a medal perhaps.
Well yeah, stuff like the Legion Insignia, battlefield role icons and so on

Pic related as a reference for Space Marine heraldry
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>>4521637
I tried it out, and you're right too, the design doesn't look off if you change an pauldron or helmet color.
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>>4521318
>> Safe roads and unity between villages and the people, no longer shall a village suffer alone
No matter how we try to prepare for the future, a settlement may suffer horrible luck. If all are connected, then one bad year may simply become a shallow ditch in the road rather then a mass grave.
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For all the people talking about jade here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadeite
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephrite
https://naturaltribaldesign.wordpress.com/2015/03/25/7-different-colors-of-jade-the-stone-of-heaven-and-significance/
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For some of the designs with large green pieces, what if they were covered with a piece of carved jade, rather than painted. It'd get shot up pretty fast unless we find some jade-adamantium stone, but our marines could carve it during their downtime as a form of meditation
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>>4521720
Kind of against it due to it being a bit impractical.
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>>4521727
eh, a lot of space marines do impractical things for rule of cool. Giving our marines something to meditate on instead of constant war, and it's visually distinct
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>>4521727
I understand there's an entire spectrum of Jade, but you have to admit that when most people refer to "jade" they mean "green jade".
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>>4521720
Seems garish. I thought we hated impractical stuff.
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>>4521493
This one I like. Distinct enough as a colour scheme that we're not really trading on any other legion's toes
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>>4521752
>eh, a lot of space marines do impractical things for rule of cool.
I guess that’s fair but there are lot of different practices that could be used like ink painting, carving, games, sandpainting, poetry, storytelling, and probably some stuff I haven’t thought of.
>>4521811
Not in China. In China when they talk about “jade like skin” they mean “white jade” which is considered the most precious kind.
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>>4521834
Poetry should be encouraged.

But I think if we organise our legion into 12s, we could have a zodiac sorta system, with the master of those 12 great kingdoms carve a small statue from jade upon their ascension as a permanent way to remind them of their fealty and their predecessors.
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So futrue SM ,master hand to hand combat and wise as fuck , Yhey
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>>4521908
Polearm first, I think
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>>4521913
Nah
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>>4521917
Nah? I must have missed the conversation then, Could have swore people were talkin about a polearm or spear to be distinct from the other primarchs, and some shit about how hand to hand being a dangerious way to fight shit like orks
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>>4521923
Polearm and staff, my mistake.
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I say we should first see what our legion specializes in and then add on our shit unto them instead of viceversa. Let's not fuck up a decent setup with preset wants.

Although people who do CQB tend to also be focused on space warfare, see Blood Angels and Black Templars.
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>>4521917
Hand to hand is fine against humans, but there's creatures out there that require weapons to fight. Unless we want to fight with twin powerfists, polearms are the way to go

Our men already use spears, and aren't gonna be fighting with their fists against armored opponents. We can use a guandao to fit in with them
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>>4521930
It's been disputed, I want a polearm/staff myself because a weapon is a force multiplier, and boy howdy do we have some force to multiply.

Martial arts are cool, but we should still have a weapon for, you know, war?
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>>4521951
We could start out with a staff (although finding wood that won't shatter under a Primarch's strenght may be a massive headache) and then upgrade to a Guan Dao once we get proper metalworking and/or war campaigns going.
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>>4521962
Bro, metal staff. Literally just a big rod.
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>>4521961
Eh....those are okay, but consider the future or fighting inside. I'd suggest Kai sticks or other shorter weapons. We are a giant, so fighting in anything but the open wild may be a bit of a bitch if we use a staff suited to our size.
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>>4521970
With a three section staff we can have one section in each hand for indoor/close combat and then turn it back into a staff/polearm when the range allows
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>>4521972
Sounds like a plan, just need a sturdy metal for it.
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>>4521970
How do you feel about a weapon used can be as a multitool?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dao_(Naga_sword)
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>>4521976
it's use as a spade can have some symbolism, but I'm not terribly convinced we would need it for that purpose.
At any rate, it's a shortblade, so it'll be fine enough to use anywhere.
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>>4521969
I... yeah okay, I didn't actually consider a metal staff. Just that "staff" tends to automatically be accosiated with wood in my head.

Of course, even a metal staff is eventually going to bend and/or shatter when used by Primarch. Mostly because chances are that as long as we remain on the planet the best we're likely to find is iron or steel.

Then again, with that in mind any weapon we use before Emps finds us is going to suffer from longevity issues.
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>>4521990
Not if we practice soft style. That'd increase their lifespan by 5 fold.
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>>4521990
Which is why I say we train up the one weapon we can rely on right now before we move on to specialized weapons.
The body.
The hands and feet can become spears, sword, hammers, rods, whips, etc.
The head can turn into a ram, a vise, or even a projectile weapon if you're creative.
All of this is goes without saying for a Primarch, but imagine if we actually spent time polishing our inherent physical gifts to their utmost limits.
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>>4521990
Which is we should practice with a variety of weapons. Also a fun little thing about sand painting is the practice is about impermanence and often end with the image being broken so it shouldn’t be too big a problem. Regardless every weapon we break will most likely become a sacred relic down the line and strengthen our future legion.
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One last shitpost before I sleep.

It occurs to me that there is one specific ranged weapon that Lieren could get exceedingly good use out of while on Shangrala.


Cannonballs
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>>4521465
Here's one with a bit of red on the upper arms and red symbols. The right (marine's left) is just a tactical troop symbol, the one on the left (marine's right) is as close to a Raptor Imperialis as the program offers. And there's less green like >>4521478 requested.
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>>4522029
Shotput is fuckin' lethal man
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Wait, since lieren's eyes see truth, would that mean he would know the nature of A&O on first sight?
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>>4522030
Just realized I circled back around to the Mentor's paint scheme. Will correct.
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>>4522030
I like this one the one with all red makes me think it's some santa space marine
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>>4522029
What, just throw them on our enemies at mach 1?
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>>4522040
It's tough not looking like another chapter, especially since green is such a common color

Is there a way to change the language in the chapter generator? I'm struggling trying to do this shit in russian
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>>4522088
Just use white and gold.
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White and gold are good I feel.

If you want to include jade, then just use it for casual wear ornimantation or to accentuate art around the chapter, no need to include something so valuble in the armour.

If folks want we could have the seargent/vet pins have a jade stone set in their top, which would match since itd be jade from nothing, just long/good service and hard work.
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>>4522088
Yeah, there should be an "Ru" next to the minimize and close buttons. Click that and I think you'll be able to change it to English.
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>>4522088
I think some combination with jade green is still our best bet, as long as it's doesn't get too close to the Dark Angels. Even then, they only switched to green post Heresy so we'll still be unique depending on whether we get [EXPUNGED] or not.
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>>4522143
Salamanders and Dark Angels use different shades of green. Better to just use white and gold.
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>>4522143
I don't really get this obsession with green, jade can come in multiple colours.

Not to mention its a saying we picked up from that pig lord. Ide rather not let him influence us that heavily.
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>>4522159
We should really be talking about this once we actually develop more imo
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Counting and calling the vote

Safe roads:12
Food:3
Innovation:1

Also I love the color schemes you guys have came up with, some great ideas already. Can't wait to see which on you pick.
anyways, writing the update
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>>4522029
>So, tell me noble astartes, for the records, what exactly is that flat piece of iron you keep on display on your flagslip?
>ah a perceptive Remembrancer walks among us, this one shall sate your curiosity. it is the cannon ball our father Lieren, with one mighty toss of his arm, threw through a mighty beast upon our homeworld. We recovered it decades later, embedded in a mountainside

>>4522159
Actually the villagers first used the saying "jade from manure" during the winter
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>>4522159
Pretty much this, i feel like using jade would be overusing it. Also, like others have said, there's just too damn many green-colored chapters

It's not a problem having an similar-colored chapter, of course, but you have to remember we're talking about a LEGION, a founding chapter, not [space marine successor chapter #402402]

I think we should try standing out.
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>>4522164
Fair enough.

Having looked up a quick search on chinease values placed on jade colours, white jade represents purity, truth, and clarity.
Green represents heaven in religious aspects.

After that the symbols carved into it then have more meaning. So layers upon laters.
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>>4521998
>>4522015
Indeed. Go full shaolin monk and cultivate the Astartes physiology to its peak. Weapons training to be mixed in, but really most if not all of our Astartes should be close quarters murder machines even when compared to others not by dint of any particular style or weapon but by having immersed themselves in multiples and having essentially a library of arts to pick out of forging their own style as graduation to mastery.

The end effect being an Astartes that is notably more fit than others and who has a plethora of martial skills to use a variatey of special and improvised weapons or movements.

Full on wuxia style with a lot of them going for improvised weapons if they are more handy than their standard loadout.
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>>4522170
Wouldn't that just end with a bunch of marines who are average at a bunch of weapons but only really use one at a time?

Like, i get it, wuxia, but it's pretty dumb to want to go "fists only" or "cqc only" or "learn lots of weapons because we're just that cool"

I mean, this is still warhammer. We're not an chinese manhua protagonist and neither are our marines, so wanting to go all shaolin will just end with us being completely and utterly destroyed by any enemy that's even slightly competent.

What, you expect a normal marine to karate chop an ork?
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>>4522171
He's talking about martial arts to hone the body beyond the normal for astartes, which is then supported by using an actual weapon.
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>>4522170
>Go full shaolin monk and cultivate the Astartes physiology to its peak
We can be the chapter that Ferrus Manus wishes his could be.
Masters of the mysteries of flesh and bone, putting the utmost care into cultivating our greatest gifts from the Emperor of Mankind.
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>>4522170
All astartes are fit, its genetically drilled into their biology as living weapons.

The idea you are looking for is competence and mastery of close combat via the myriad paths/myriad Dao of the warrior. Which is just another way of saying we end up with different schools of specalization amoung a few select weapons and styles.

I dont think full on wuxia is going to happen, ever. People wont vote for the penny dreadfulness of wuxia here.

Weapons used are done so for their effectiveness, and the culture we are immersed in focus on 4 primary ones.
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>>4522174
Isn't that just training though? Like, it's one thing to have shaolin trianing, it's another to train an astartes in several weapon styles in an curriculum mish-mash
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>>4522177
I think the idea of schools depends, i mean, we still need to have the majority of our marines use guns, like? It'd be dumb to try to arm the majority of our soldiers with melee weapons.

A marine with a power spear can be good, sure, but when you consider the fact he'll be going against orks, chaos things and other xenos, you remember that normal astartes are still low on the melee rung.

I mean, we definitely should have some stuff, but there's no reason to teach our marines to use something like an staff or two types of sword with marginal difference (for this tech level) when we could be getting them to use bolters or meltas.
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>>4522182
Not styles, different weapons entirely.

Maybe it would be a better idea to give them a choice, than train them in different styles of their choice weapon. Also give them a few lessons in the other weapons, so that they aren't useless with them in an emergency.
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>>4522189
Everyone still needs teaching melee, and space marines can hold their own pretty damn well in close quarters due to their sheer speed and strength.

No one is being dumb and suggesting we dont teach them to use guns, thats just retarded. Why are you thinking thats the case?
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>>4522177
>People wont vote for the penny dreadfulness of wuxia here.
I think you’re thinking of Xianxia which will never happen. Really Wuxia as a genre is okayish (most people forget stuff like Fist of the North Star and Kung Fu Panda are classified as Wuxia) but honestly things early on will probably lean more towards Xuanhuan.
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>>4522191
Giving them a choice is more reasonable, but we'd also have to keep an watchful eye so we don't end up with too few marines on any given weapon type
>>4522198
You people are putting way too much emphasis on melee when the majority of marines should be using guns as their main choice, on average space marines are still going to lose against an khornate daemon or an megarachnid if they go to melee.

Melee is not the main course.
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>>4522220
>not embracing glorious melee
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>>4522228
The only thing you'll embrace with such strategies is a giant axe or an car-sized claw.

Melee is good, but most marines should be using guns.
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>>4522228
>>4522236
Why not both?
Halberds like weapons with lasguns at the stabby ends.
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>>4522258
I don't know about the efficiency of those, a good bolter is ultimately better if you want an actual army
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And looking down the hoof worn path leading into the village, made by the passing of horses, men and other beasts over generations, the path you must take first makes itself clear to you, as you gaze into the all encompassing fog swallowing the old dirt road. Safe roads to build unity between villages, to make it safe to travel the lands of Gao to trade and lend aid to those in need. While you could walk unmolested from one end to the other of Yan, normal men cannot. Every piece of the lands of Gao are separate from each other, from the dangers within the fog, the roads abandoned to brigands and thieves and the sheer distance one would have to travel, predated by both man and beast.

For there to be any progress towards prosperity, there must be unity. and for there to be unity, there must be safe travel. The lands of Gao can no longer stand divided, no longer shall a village suffer alone. Where the soil in some parts of the world are ideal for farming, but do not have the tools to fully exploit the soil's fertility, and others are ideally placed to make tools but have to work hard to produce food. A safe system of roads, a protected mode of travel, would eliminate both of those problems.

Gao should be sending food to YOUR village, under the pretense it will be going to your larder alone, so you will not have to worry about a sudden famine striking your kin, even if they wipe the local fog panthers, swine and mist jackals out of existence. But you could take a portion of the no doubt overly generous gift of food, what can be ration and stored on a long journey, and give it to those starving in the villagers you come to in your journey through the lands owned by Gao, while you build a strong foundation for proper roads.

First, will be charting the lands, and lighting the way forward, with the long burning resin and sap covered wood, perhaps supplemented by oil. Watch towers and covered sconces whos light can be seen for miles, a way to keep men from becoming lost and to banish the superstition and fear all hold in the fog. With clearer vision, fog panther attacks will lessen, but to build the roads themselves, you'll need guards, or at least a standing force of men on key locations along the great road, to protect the workers and travelers.

So you'll have to build forts, guard stations where men can be stationed and rotated out as the need arises. Perhaps a subsystem of towers, of which these men can be stationed in small groups, to keep watch for threats and bandit activity? It will also come in handing in times of war. Once you have the road paved with lasting stone, or perhaps concrete if you can teach the workers the method of its creation, you can broaden your ambitions through the lands. But along the key stations and waypoints on the road, you will need to build walls, turning the forts into small safe heavens and eventually communities themselves.
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>>4522279

"What are you thinking of, Lieren?" Shaved head wei asks, as he chews on a dried strip of fog panther meat "You've been staring at the road for sometime, has a revelation come to you again?"

"When Gao's men arrive, tell him I am traveling his lands with my guards, to chart and record the roads so I may build a safer method of travel between villages and cities, so the common man, may without spear or fellows, walk from one end of his fief" You say, moving your hand from your chin as you turn and look down to your comrade "To the other, and I'll leave a note of the material I'll need, if I set off on my journey before they come"

"As you wish" Wei says with a nod as you walk back towards your home "I take it you are preparing to leave now then?"

"No, no, I must study the maps we have, to get a general idea of the lay of the lands before me, I'll leave once I have scouted my route" You say turning back to him, motioning him to follow him "When I return from my efforts, to gather supplies and any workers that are sent to aid in the construction of the great road I intend to build, I shall update the maps with what my own eyes have seen"

"Oh, so you won't be leaving us for years to accomplish this great act of benevolence, then?" Wei asks, using his spear as a walking stick, struggling to keep pace with your excited stride "Fantastic, Nothing is far less bright without you walking among us, brother"

"Thank you friend Wei, but as this village is now the headquarters of my administrative duties, I must return every now and then, so I may collect my pay, materials and workers that Gao shall send to me" You explain as you push open the door with fur nailed onto it, the one leading into your home "And to make notice of which villages where need aid and of what kind"

"Truly you wisdom is endless, friend Lieren" Wei says in awe, clearly astounded by the sheer ambition of your project, to fight back against the very fog of Shangrala to allow for safer travel and peace of mind of the travelers themselves.

Rong, Zian, Jinhai and ten more of your guards sit around the cooking fire, guarding your father as you had ordered them to.

"Alert the men Zian, we shall begin our great work soon, and set off on a journey across the lands of Gao, to plot the course of the greatest and most guarded road shangralal has ever seen" You say as the man with the tattered face nods, putting on his horridly frowning mask

"As you command" he says as you turn to Rong

"You, alert the men to drill in the manner young Jinhai has been training them and myself, to prepare for the hardships ahead" You say with a swing of your hand

"The carps dance, yes?" He says with a cackle "I will tell them to keep up their dancing, lord Lieren"

"Jinhai, keep with the other ten and ensure my father is well guarded and comfortable" You say gently, smiling warmly as you clasp your hands together and bow to your father, as he sips a bowl of bone brother and rehydrated meat.
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>>4522281
He returns your smile.

"Fortune and safety in your travels, my son" he says, setting his bowl down and clasping his hands together as you march to your private room.

Kneeling before the table in the center of it, you look over the mess of papers and notes and maps and designs covering it. to any pair of eyes but yours, it would seem the work of a man gone mad. But such is your perception you are able to pick out the maps beneath the designs you have drawn for further expansion and more efficient tools. Grabbing the most recent of them, copied by your own hand to the hide of an elderly fog panther, you begin to trace your hands, from Goa's castle to Nothing. It takes you only a few breathes to locate it, its single road leading out of the valley it is nestled in, to the next village and so on, a web of disjointed paths, roads and trails.

They snake through mountains, curl through hills, follow and cross rivers by bridges that may no longer be there to villages that may now be but graveyards.

Contemplating the map before you, you sit in silence for sometime time, pacing your breathing and slowing the beating of your twin hearts to clear you mind off except finding the most expeditious path through the lands of Gao. The one way, that will allow for travel from any village to another, or to the cities beneath the castles of lords, quick efficient and safe for traders, traveling farmers or soldiers marching to meet a threat to the people, no matter from where upon the map they begin their journey from.

And slowly, using a brush of horse hair, you begin to make a rough map outlining the path your one road will take, cutting through the web of misinformation and vagaries. Using Nothing as a starting point, you chart the quickest path to the next village, placing it along an easily defendable cliff face, avoiding the forests and deeper hills and mountains. A bridge will need to built at this point, to allow for easier crossing between these three villages and the four sitting across the river between them. Here the road may split, to allow for travel to reach either destination quickly, here as well. Here, the road will need to be raised, due to seasonal flooding which you learned off when you had passed the locale on your journey to Gao's castle.

And you continue on, for many hours, painstakingly plotting the path of your great road, marking locations where watchtowers, forts and shelters from the wilds will be built, listing the number of covered sconces you'll need to keep burning to light the way, and signing where to build bridges, and when the road will travel into the mountains and cliffsides further inland. With expanded paths, support pillars and railings of course.

By dawns light, your plan is complete, a complicated outline of the road you intend to build, to introduce safe travel between villagers, encourage trading and create unity.
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>>4522287

Laying it to dry, you go to make your mourning rounds, and see if the caravan carrying the food Gao sent has arrived yet, if they've had some luck on the road and arrived earlier
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Charting the road and updating the map you've made, as well as beginning the construction of the great road and the necessary facilities along it, turns out to be a most arduous of labor. No normal man would be able to start such an endeavor, let alone complete it. But guarded by your thirty men, you slowly make progress. The road begins construction from the gates of nothing outward, and will end construction at the gate of Gao's castle, as a symbolic gesture of unify the lands.

Planning out and adjusting your plan, that is simple. Relaying orders, of where workers should build, where soldiers should patrol to guard them, and how to keep the sconces burning and lighting the infantile road, that is simple. A mere exchange of resources and the occasional review of what has been accomplished to ensure it matches your vision. As is ensuring every man working the road, and every man the road reaches eventually, is fed. Its like a child's game really. Simple, easy.

What is hard, is find ghost towns where once had been thriving village, what is hard is finding children who dug up their parent's graves merely to survive on their rotting flesh, what is hard is finding men so broken that upon your arrival, they assume you've come to kill them for failing their masters in someway. It is hard, but you stomach it, and mark the villages that did not survive the famine as areas to repopulate and rebuild, your heart heavy with every stroke of your brush.

Few of the villages you find have any faith in your work, but lend what aid their weakened bodies and empty storages can give, to at least hold an ember of hope within their hearts. And soon , the nearest villages to Nothing are relieved, dried meat and excess grain being carted to them, escorted by Brothers of the panthers, as gifts to new neighbors and apologies from yourself for not being able to help them as you helped your own kin in the winter.

And from those villages, once the people have regained their strength, come hard workers determined to take part in the construction of the "Great road of the Giant" as they have began to call it. Already, a small network of trade has been formed, within the span of a mere two months.

the payment you receive from Gao expedites the process some what, allowing you to more quickly feed the people you find, and purchase extra building materials as well. Never before has such a workforce gone to sleep well fed, never before have the children in these villages felt what it meant to be full and satiated. Of course, you had to hang a few soldiers, who presumed to take what you had given to the farmers and workers.
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>>4522288

Now their bodies stand as reminders to the rest, to check their greed and gluttony, lest they meet the giant's wrath. None of your personal guard have committed such crimes, as they have adopted your virtuous view of the world, with some help from Jinhai and the veterans guiding them alongside you.
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made a little mistake there
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And, like crawling vines, in the coming months, the road stretches further and further, unify more of the land and allowing for further trade and longer travels. Looking back on the path you have lain, you can see fires burning in the distant fog. Fires of progress, of prosperity, of hope.

Bandit activity has lessened, from the presence of so many soldiers, and a giant accompanied by an elite guard, trailing the lands, but some remain bold enough to attempt to take your life, or the food that flows down the road in greater and greater waves.

Laughing Yusheng, the Lord of the rapids, Bloody Feng who dared share a name with one of your closest friends, Zhu and his sons, The Orange sash gang, Deadly Xiulan and her force of woman brigands, and many other names now only remembered in song and the stories told of their deaths in meeting you. The orange sash gang being the most difficult to root out, as they hid away in the woods and harassed the supply chain for two weeks like mist jackals.

Before an army led by Yin Lei came upon them, having followed a map you drew of the forest's heart, leading directly to their base of operations. After that, no bandit had been bold enough to impede your progress. And, months into your work, it became obvious that not only was connecting all of the lands beneath Gao possible but inevitable under your guidance, to those who had sneered or laughed at your work. Qian Xia lent her subtle touch then. It seems she had rerouted some of her admirers into throwing their fortunes into your efforts, by idly mentioning to them that "it would be easier to visit my home if the roads are safe".

Thus, allowing their wealth to be used for the benefit of the people and lands, and stopping them from wasting it on their own decadence. A year passes, and no village in the network starves, or suffers the cold. Work still continues, through the harsh months, as you and your men march ever onwards. As you arrive upon villages, cloaked by snow and fog, you are hailed as saviors, bringing much needed relief.

Soon the blue and plume robes of Lieren and the armor his men wear become symbols of hope and prosperity, of a future none had dared to even dream of. Returning along the roads, you see children playing pretend as you, wearing crude masks that copy those of your men, frowning and grim. It brings a smile to your face, as you recognize their faces under the masks, once thin and skeletal, now full and bright.

Spring comes again, and with its warmth, the speed of progress quickens greatly, forts, watchtowers and designated areas of rest and protection growing along the side of the ever expanding road. A great serpent of white stone crawling across the land, lit by ever burning fires. Had any other man set out to build such a thing, they would have made only a fraction of your progress and worked many men to death.

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>>4522293
None of your workers have met their demise in the construction of the "Great road of the Giant", under your watchful, gold eyes, outside of the bandit attacks early in their labor.

You remember the name of those slain, and the brave men who protected them with their lives, but the labor is not done, there is still much work to be done.

The second year of your great work, continues with much more ease than the first. the workers are fed, the people are fed, and trade is booming more than it ever has before. Men now confidently travel the parts of the road you have already built. But come summer, and its blistering heat.
You encounter the largest roadblock yet.

In the very center of Gao's lands, where all the rivers and mountains meet, there is said to be a dangerous beast. A magical beast that has lived untouched and uncontested for generations, preying upon panther and man alike. And it just so happens, to make its lair, directly in the path of your great road. To avoid it would be building into the most treacherous mountains in Yan, or crossing its deadliest rivers.

Their is only one way forward, you must slay the beast, to have any hope of completing your grand work


It has been described to you, as having the face of a toad, the body of centipede, the limbs of a panther and a scythe like tail, with breath so foul it can melt flesh and tarnish metal. It lives in the one clear route through the heart of mountains and rivers, and has done so for near a century now.
and no longer!

How do you face the beast, Lieren?
>it is a fellow hunter of panthers, You'll face it alone as an equal, with a weapon worthy of your hands
>Gather your guards and the brothers of the panthers, studying its habits as you wait for them to arrive
>Send a message to Gao, requesting military aid to slay the beast.
> Fatten swine and cliffjumpers with berries, nuts and wine, and send them to the beast, striking when its bloated and defenseless
> write in?
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>>4522294
>it is a fellow hunter of panthers, You'll face it alone as an equal, with a weapon worthy of your hands
Time to kill our first daemon, at least I think it’s a daemon.
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>>4522294
>Face it as an equal
It's time for a fight. Let's measure Lieren's strength after a year of hard labor. It's time to defeat our nemean lion!
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>>4522294
>aggressively hunt within the bounds of the beast's territory and steal its game, starving it before descending on its lair
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>that timeskip
Kino.
>>4522294
>It is a fellow hunter of panthers, You'll face it alone as an equal, with a weapon worthy of your hands.
Know no fear.
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>>4522294
>>it is a fellow hunter of panthers, You'll face it alone as an equal, with a weapon worthy of your hands
Very curious to see what it is.
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>>4522294
>>it is a fellow hunter of panthers, You'll face it alone as an equal, with a weapon worthy of your hands
I'm voting again for a long bo-staff with a blade at each end, with a mechanism that turns it into a three section staff.

>polearm
>staff
>three section staff

All in one object.
A three section staff gives us huge range, if swing it around, and it can go around shields. Or, we can hold the two end sections and have a blade in each hand for when we have limited range abilities.
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The beast shall have the honor of being a symbol icon on our legion weapon.

>It is a fellow hunter of panthers, You'll face it alone as an equal, with a weapon worthy of your hands.
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My theory is that it's a lingering chimeric abomination from the Dark Age of Technology or failing that, an obscure Nurglite daemon or otherwise corrupted Chaos Spawn.
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Well considering this thing has a body “like a centipede” I think we should use a sword and go for a kill by dismembering it.
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>>4522317
Reject modern gimmick weapons, return to the traditional guandao
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>>4522294
>>it is a fellow hunter of panthers, You'll face it alone as an equal, with a weapon worthy of your hands
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>>4522317
That's some advanced craftsmanship for people in the middle of the iron age. A traditional staff or, given the danger it poses, polearm could be a more feasible option.
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>>4522333
>>4522341

>afraid of innovation
I can't get an image out of my head of Lieren stabbing this thing with a polearm and then flipping a mechanism and coming in for a second strike with the backend

it's advanced for the people around us to make but not for us.
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>>4522341
>>4522333
“Traditional” polearms will snap under the might of Lieren and the enemy. Now that I think of it that’s probably why polearms are uncommon among marines.
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>>4522343
>I can't get an image out of my head of Lieren stabbing this thing with a polearm and then flipping a mechanism and coming in for a second strike with the backend
Three section staff is a weak pick especially against beast like this.
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>>4522343
I don't understand why it has to be some weird mall weapon thing, just have a spear with two points right?
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>>4522294
>>it is a fellow hunter of panthers, You'll face it alone as an equal, with a weapon worthy of your hands

New idea based on our robes
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>>4522345
Literally any mortal weapon will snap under our strength. We could comfortably use a solid steel guandao with a haft as thick as a normal man's forearm, and even then it'll warp over time. Until we get found by the Emperor, we should stick to simple weapons
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>>4522167
legions wore colors similar to eachother, the luna wolves where green then white as teh sons of horus. the raven guard where always black while the legion era dark angles where mentioned as wearing black. white scars always wore white under Jagathai and world eaters wore white and blue before they got tired of cleaning their armor. However dont be afraid of an odd paint scheme, mortarions legion where called dusk raiders before they met him and where mostly grey with a single red arm and pauldron..
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>>4522345
>“Traditional” polearms will snap under the might of Lieren and the enemy.
>polearms are uncommon among marines.
Alpharius had/has/will have a spear which he used rather proficiently in combat.
Guardian Power Spear (the ones used by Custodes) are just polearms with a gun at one end.
The 3rd Legion's Phoenix Guard used weapons very similar to a guandao.
The White Scars made constant use of power lances, using them to great effect.
The Death Guard used fucking scythes, which a) are farming equipment and b) did not have any issues getting the job done or snapping under weight.
A guandao is both a slashing weapon and a piercing weapon.
>>4522343
Donut-steel multi-tool weapons are a liability to their user, a bitch to maintain, and don't really fit with 40k. The closest to what I think you're describing in lore is either the Sarrisanata which could be broken down into segments or a guardian spear, which is just a halberd with a bolter taped to one end.
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>>4522356
A fair point but I feel a polearm would be a bit disadvantageous in this particular instance. It would force us to maintain distance making us vulnerable to it’s breathe while getting a weapon we can use with onehand would make it easier to get into a blind spot.
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>>4522362
>Sarrisanata
yeah that looks about right. and as far as maintain and what not...we're a primarch? I don't know, if others are against it i'll concede (I'd be happy with the guandao as well), I just don't think it's outside of our capabilities or means.
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>>4522365
I'd prefer to have the range against something like this. It's got a bladed tail, so having to get close to its side and back would open us up to attacks. At least with a polearm, we'll have a bit more time to react to its breath and attacks

You don't fight large beasts with short weapons IRL, you use spears
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Debate over weapons aside, maybe the colors of our guard's armor could be the color of our legion veterans? I have a quick-and-dirty concept here and a much less-quick paint scheme taken from our own robes. Finding and applying a gradient with this software is a bitch.
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>>4522362
>Guardian Power Spear (the ones used by Custodes) are just polearms with a gun at one end.
Those aren’t marines, hell the Custodes outtech most factions so the comparison is hardly fair. The rest are using power weapons which is a rare exception due to the fact that power weapons break non-power weapons, you know right? Of course a power weapon could break another power polearm’s haft pretty easily anyway.
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>>4522372
I don't know if we want to use Gao's colors for our legion. I'd rather use our colors or a scheme based on our world/actions
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>>4522371
>You don't fight large beasts with short weapons IRL, you use spears
Most beasts don’t have a shell and a breath attack.
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>>4522376
A shell would require more force to break than skin, so that the extra leverage provided by a polearm would allow us to break through. The breath weapon means getting in too close is a death sentence, with a guandao we have time to react. Hell, stab it through the mouth straight off using the polearm or javelin then switch to a pickaxe to handle the carapace
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>>4522376
>most
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>>4522372
It occurs to me that I forgot about the blue masks of our guards. I'll update that. Here's the other one.
>>4522373
>Custodes outtech most factions so the comparison is hardly fair.
The only people the Custodes don't outtech are the high-echelon mechanicum members, the Emperor, and the Primarchs. We just so happen to be a Primarch. The best of the best technology will be open to us, we'll be able to make a haft that doesn't break.
>Power weapons break non-power weapons, you know right?
Wrong, Nostroman chain glaives come to mind as one such exception, force weapons as another, the Alpharius-Dorn fight as a third.
>Most beasts don’t have a shell and a breath attack.
Against this dragon, with the technology we have now, I say forge a spear with metal from our pod. It's the strongest material we have, able to survive atmospheric reentry, impact, and the warp. It'll survive against mid-tier nurgle demon breath or whatever this thing is.
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>>4522380
The range advantage you get from a polearm will be minimal and leverage would require us to abandon the ranged advantage all together.
>Hell, stab it through the mouth straight off using the polearm or javelin then switch to a pickaxe to handle the carapace
Why not. I still think we should use a sword to deal with it’s multiple limbs (I think it has multiple limbs). Regardless I know this isn’t going to be a clean fight.
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>>4522383
I really like this one
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>>4522294

>it is a fellow hunter of panthers, You'll face it alone as an equal, with a weapon worthy of your hands
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>>4522383
>Nostroman chain glaives
Now there’s an obscure one.
> force weapons as another
Those are literally psyker power weapons so real surprise.
> I say forge a spear with metal from our pod
I say no.
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You know I wonder...could we discover any villages who have simply fallen off the maps? The fog does limit travel, so knowledge may fall apart with time and we may wind up discovering some people that were unexpected and have some boon from that...

>>4522317
Perhaps we could use a simpler weapon that would do the job? Say, we use a weapon that is tipped with a blade or spearhead on one end, and that of a warhammer on the other, so that we may shatter armor with one blow and tear apart the flesh with the other?

Vote:
>It is a fellow hunter of panthers, You'll face it alone as an equal, with a weapon worthy of your hands.

However, include:
>Study its habits before engaging. Let us know this enemy so that when victory is gained we do not suffer some measure of defeat.
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>>4522383
If we make a weapon from the pod we threaten the information in it, so not worth imo
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>>4522397
I mean we don’t even know what tech it currently has. We only know it has to be DAoT tier which isn’t worth scrapping for a pointy stick.
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>>4522390
Thanks anon, I was wondering how the gradient would go over, happy to see someone likes it.
>>4522393
>I say no.
I'd rather you say what you think is a better alternative. If you have, mea culpa, but all I've found from you is "get in close with a sword" which is all well and good until he erodes it with his shitbreath, as you pointed out he is capable of.
>>4522397
I don't want to fuck with the computer system, just take a part of the casing off to melt down. All of the information is in the pod, the plates on the outside are just real strong metal and parts were already broken off when it hit the ground. We might be able to just go back to the crash site and pick shit of the ground.
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>>4522406
>just take a part of the casing off to melt down.
You do realize that would break the entire thing. This thing fell from slammed into into hard enough to ruin a village and was hot enough to glass the soil as it embedded into the ground as it came out perfectly intact. There’s a reason AdMech typically can’t reverse engineer archeotech.
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>>4522406
I'm sure there non essential parts we can scravenge maybe, if we can get a weapon it'll last us the rest of the time on this planet so worth if we don't damage anything
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>>4522406
Dude if we have a spear forged of an impossibly sharp and durable metal, we'll throw massive signs that we're either a Celestial being (which will bring down massive heat) or have access to archeotech (which will bring down massive heat). It's not worth the marginal advantage it gives our astartes-tier strength and speed, especially when as >>4522418 said, there's a risk of damaging our birthright to harvest it.
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>>4522421
I don't think the risk of damaging the knowledge is worth a fancy spear. Reforging our weapon after the battle isn't that big of a hassle
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>>4522423
Wasn't really thinking about this battle, when we inevitably go into battle against Gao and co the weapon can be both powerful and a symbol. I understand not wanting to touch the pod tho lol just some thoughts
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>>4522418
The admech can reverse engineer archaeotech, they just consider it to be the worst act of heresy they're capable of committing. That's one of the reasons why Cawl is both lauded as one of the most talented men on Mars and hated with a passion. Because he reverse engineers/invents his own shit and nobody can prove it definitively. Besides, I'm not saying we deconstruct the databank piece by piece or reverse-engineer the life-support system, I'm saying we pop one of the door panels off. I don't think any of the information is stored in a door panel.
>>4522422
>we'll throw massive signs that we're either a Celestial being
Being a golden-eyed giant is kinda already doing that. Besides, slaying the creature with such a weapon wouldn't make everyone in Yan immediately assume it's unbreakable. Hell, nobody has to know. We could forge it away from the village, stash it down the road somewhere, forge a normal spear to take with us, then pick up the good one, kill the thing, hide it again, and say that we just killed it with the normal one.
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>>4522432
>they just consider it to be the worst act of heresy they're capable of committing.
You seem to not realize actual real for that. Most archeotech is irreplacable and made out of materials like adamantium or stronger materials (like this pod). The amount of force we’d have to put on it to get a peice of the shell would likely shatter the internals.
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Adamantium
Just in case you try to argue otherwise.
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>>4522442
If you were to reread the first few posts, you'd find that the metal the pod is made of (because nowhere was it ever stated to be adamantium or a comparable material) is described as hardening and cooling as we get out of it, implying that it's less durable and more workable than adamantium.
>>4510984
Just in case you try to argue otherwise.
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>>4522294
>it is a fellow hunter of panthers, You'll face it alone as an equal, with a weapon worthy of your hands
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Calling the vote and counting now

Face it as an equal:11
Starve it out:1
Study its habits:1

Writing the update now

>>4522383
Stylish
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>>4522452
> implying that it's less durable and more workable than adamantium.
Honestly, while we don’t know how easy adamantium is to work with compared to whatever metal this is, I doubt it would be as you think. First of all just because it can be heated up doesn’t automatically make it easier to work with or not adamantium. After all Konrad’s pod crashed through solid adamantium.
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>>4522461
Cheers man, not sure if it should be what the legion's armor looks like or what, but it's an option
>>4522464
I suppose when QM asks us how we want to make our weapon, we'll find out whether or not it's possible.
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The fisherman who told you of the creature, one of many who have warned you in the journey towards its domain sees the look in your eyes, before your men standing at your back do. Dressed in a simple reed vest and with a flat hat to keep the sun out of his eyes, he looks at you like you've gone mad.

"My lord, you cannot be thinking of facing the creature, the lord of all rivers and mountains, the toad dragon himself!" He says, the confidence and determination in the golden wells that are your eyes telling him of your plan to remove the blockage in your road before you speak it outload "He has devoured men and beast alike! for generations he's hunted that stretch of land, even the armies of the Black general avoid march through that pass, A Vishnu screamer party vanished into his gullet during the last war! it'd be suicide, my kind lord giant"

"So we're marching to slay a beast of legend then?" One of your guards laughs "The great administrator fears no foe, let alone an overgrown toad"

"Do not be so confident, it has remained for a century in this place, and even devoured the vishnu, the fiercest of warriors upon shangrala" Zian says, smacking the younger guard with the back of his spear "just because we march with the giant, does not mean we are assured victory if we march to meet the beast"

"A screamer party, that's around ten men, right?" Rong yawns, leaning against his spear "fifteen at most? we outnumber them two fold at least, and have one of the court's own miracles among us, we'd have a better chance than those seaborn savages ever would have"

"I would not wish to meet such a beast upon the field of battle, any martial art or secret of war would be worthless against such a creature" Jinhai advises, stepping up to your side "it is not a bandit lord or some enemy general, to fight a beast you must fight to kill a beast, not a man"

"Exactly" You say simply, looking down the river with a beaming smile, hands clasped together still "And it is one of my peers, a fellow hunter of panthers, while you my friends and brothers are slayers of men. My skills will lend themselves well here"

"You're mad! You're mad! the great giant of gao is mad!" The fisher man wails, clutching at his bare chest, falling to his knees "Please my lord, do not face the beast, the people beneath Gao need you, the whole of Yan needs your wisdom"

"I have to agree with the commoner" Zian says, his ruined jaw slurring his words as he spoke "My lord, you speak madness, facing such a creature on your own, it is merely walking to your grave"

"Hey, have faith in brother Lieren , he slew fog panthers before he tasted combat" One of the other guards spits, sounds like Chen, fat Chen, so called because he is rail thin. You don't understand why he's called as such, but its funny to call him such "And he towers above all other men! if any were able to slay such a beast, it'd be him"
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>>4522482

"Exactly, have faith in Lieren, he has accomplished what other men have called impossible many times before" another calls out

"He will not meet the same fate as the Vishnu" Another yells out, raising his spear as the rest of the escorts hoot, holler and cheer, as the Fisherman looks at them as if they have also gone mad.

"I will face it is an equal" You say calmly, turning back to your men, Zian wincing and looking as if he's about to cry, Rong closing his one eye and nodding, accepting your order "alone, and with a weapon worthy of my hands"

In a dramatic show of your intentions, you clench your outstretched hands into closed, tight fists, the cheers of your men only rising louder. Except from Zian and Rong, who are far more cynical than their younger comrades. Jinhai sighs behind his mask and walks up to you, looking into your eye, serene as always.

"Remember, brother, it is a beast, beyond any you have met in your life, it will not be as simple as slaying a fog panther" He says bluntly, standing proud and stoically "Walk lightly, move as crashing lightning, and stand as firm as a wall of solid steel"

"And I am a hunter beyond all other hunters, if it is a beast beyond all other beasts, it is merely worthy prey" You say, not confidently or smugly, for it is the simple truth, no prideful boat or false claim held up only by ego and foolishness. For in all honesty, none of the mundane beasts you've hunted have given you anything resembling a challenge.

"Stories will be sung of this day!" Zian suddenly yells, raising his spear as Rong laughs "no matter the victor, this I swear"

"Quiet dramatic, aren't you?" Rong says, opening his one eye to squint at the suddenly emotion veteran. You turn, and walk back to the village along the river's side, the smell of drying fish and water weeds rotting in mud filling your mouth and lungs. Children ran to and throw among barrels of fish and other waterborne forms of life.

"We will find a suitable forge for my needs" You say, raising your hand to one of your assistants, one of the scholars with enough intellect to understand your orders for such a grand project as the Great Road. He turns, looking away from his ledger.

"Or build one, if a sufficient work shop cannot be found" You say with a smile as he nods and makes a note of his ledger, muttering at he writes "No no, I will build it by my own hands, the resources allotted to this village shall not be spent upon such a thing, it will come from my personal supply of stone and clay and, if it must be built"
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>>4522483

What manner of weapon do you build, Lieren?
> A simple staff made of thrice forged steel, solid, strong, simple
> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential
> A twin set of a Jian and Dao, larger than any man could be wield by a normal man, but perfect for your hands
> Heavy set gauntlets, made of steel, the fingers and knuckles sharpened to points. A weapon this world has never seen before
> Write in?
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>>4522484
>> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential
I really want the staff too though. Maybe next time.
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>>4522484
>> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential
Can we make a javelin or something as well? I'd like to get the drop on it, rather than charging in with our polearm
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>>4522484
> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential
If it's like a halberd then let's get it.
Did we learn any martial arts yet?
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>>4522484
> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential
We need to get maximum-speed and killing potential.
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>>4522484
> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential
as much as the staff calls to me, memories of dynasty warriors overwhelm my love of the monkey king.
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>>4522484
>> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voftuIoJ-OY

how i see us.
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>>4522502
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLMWtoiRy2I
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>>4522484
> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential
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>>4522484
> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential

And honestly it is improbable that this world will have a forge hot enough to melt an advanced terran metal as the friction of atmospheric entry can heat a surface to around 3000 degrees celsius while the hottest coal forge provides about 2000.
If it is metal at all to begin with as most durable materials used are in fact ceramics. Attempting to melt it in a forge will just break the metal/ceramic matrix.
Lieren will definitely see this idea as senseless.
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>>4522484
> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential
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>>4522484
> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential

While we are at it we could make ou own armor. It would be wise to have it above our clothing, if the beast is so poisonous we need to be wary of it touching our tough skin.
Since it will take sometime forging even with our skills and we might use some preparation for this day before our hunt, tell our guards to give us their weapons and armors, so we may improve upon them. It shouldn't take too long, meanwhile we can talk about the beast and any of his know habits. We will be able to fight it with a proper plan counting his size, where it lives, how it acts, how it can attack and defend and it s strengths and weakness.
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>>4522527
This
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>>4522527
Support
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>>4522484
> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential
It's a good type of weapon
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>>4522383
This isn't bad, but should we really be using an color scheme we got from gao? I mean, wasn't gao the one who gave us the azure clothing?

In all honesty, i feel like >>4522372 was more original out of the two designs you made, even if it definitely looked like something an chaos space marine would wear.

Regardless, the main point is that i feel like using an color scheme we got from gao of all people is not really good.
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>>4522599
Our azure and plume has become a source of hope, even if it's origin is from Gao. Don't let the source taint your perceptions.
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>>4522600
Yeah, but it's still an color scheme we got from him.

While using it now for our warriors is normal and stuff, at some point we're going to take over, and at that point it'd be smart to have an new color scheme to also show that things are different.
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>>4522604
And also spray-painting purple gradients is going to be a royal PITA for our future serfs.
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>>4522607
Yeah, it'd be pretty easy to ruin a paintjob if you didn't have an extra fancy tiny spray.

Also, space marines wearing pink and purple are usually choas freaks.
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>>4522484
>> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential
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>>4522484
> Heavy set gauntlets, made of steel, the fingers and knuckles sharpened to points. A weapon this world has never seen before.
> A simple staff made of thrice forged steel, solid, strong, simple
> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential.

Let's combine them. Primarchs can wield handshaped heavy gauntlets (and powerfists) while also using weapons on top. The idea for this combat style is a combination of staff attacks, punches and kicks for non lethal and then for normal combat we put the head of the Guandao and start chopping limbs and doing martial arts strikes.
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>>4522484
>> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential
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>>4522599
Goa is an asshole, so I'd say we should pick colors not related to him.
Well. We'll do that after we kill him that is.

The marine pick is a good color scheme, but it feels too close to the Emperor's Children. Same for the white colored set of armor. That reminded me of the War Hounds? I think that one was Horus's legion's color scheme?

>>4522654
Fuck it why not. I'll support this two. We might as well go full ham and cheese on this bitch.a Guandao with a steel shaft and gauntlets for punching.
And armor. Dont forget about the armor.
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>>4522484
QM, could we use the Guandao in combination with the gauntlets or are they incompatible? (I really want to backhand someone with a metal gauntlet and then, while they are staggered, use the momentum for a horizontal strike with the Guandao)
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>>4522734
>I think that one was Horus's legion's color scheme?
Nope. Horus’s Luna Wolves was silver.
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>>4522734
Horus's legion was white and black, while the war hounds were white and blue.

I've checked, and from what i've seen so far, there isn't a single chapter with a purely white-gold color scheme. Or white yellow, you get it.
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>>4522734
The idea would be a metal staff with a screw-like end (that we can hide as a decoration), when we want to go lethal, we just roll the head of the Guandao on the point with screw (when we get high tech we just use an energy blade we can turn on and off or summon a force blade with psyker powers) the metal gauntlets would have a good sinergy with this style, because if we fail a wide/heavy strike, instead of ending up wide open to enemy attacks, we just use one hand to reposition the Guandao and the other to parry/deflect/strike
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>>4522757
Which reminds me that we should get metal greaves too, there is no complete martial arts without kicking
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>>4522654
Support no reason to just not make all three lol
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>>4522654
true, changing vote to supporting this
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>>4522484
> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential
> Heavy set gauntlets, made of steel, the fingers and knuckles sharpened to points. A weapon this world has never seen before
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>>4522484
>> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential
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>>4522654
Why not, no reason not to other than easily recouped resources.
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>>4522654
this
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>>4522654
Backing.
Lets wield the giants claws.
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>>4522654
Support
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Just to confirm QM, the idea would be a full set of armour+War Gauntlets+War Greaves and the Guandao/Bo combo. I know it may feel al little op or powergaming bullshit, but this is a really important decision that will impact the entire quest, so we are trying to make the best long term choice. Sorry for making a vote and then adding more stuff, and for making you write fights using all this bullshit (if it wins), but this is wuxia! (Primarch proceeds to spartankick a mechanicus into a pit while the Emperor facepalms and Malcador laughs his ass off)
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>>4523219
No it won’t. Not as much you think it will.
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I just found an image of a Primarch (of the II legion) with a Force Guandao, but I'm unsure of what copyright laws say about using images from web authors (probably just give credit but still, I don't know shit about it).

And I also realized that we could use the head of the Guandao combo weapon as a shortsword/machete if the handle snaps or if we lose the staff midfight and we need some slashing damage.
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>>4523219
How do you even use a war gauntlet AND a polearm? Like, i don't think there's any way to use both a powerfist and an two-handed weapon at the same time.

Unless you're like, dropping it every time you want to punch someone.
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I’m starting to think we should take up smithing. Also a question, how many people here know about the Chaos warp entities?
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>>4523243
There's already smith primarchs, i don't think we should really try to become an all-rounder.
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>>4523247
>There's already smith primarchs
So?
> i don't think we should really try to become an all-rounder.
It’s always worthwhile to be well-rounded.
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>>4523237
Simple, you don't punch with the fist you are grabbing the weapon with (unless you want to break it or make an attack that is detrimental to the Guandao fighting style), you use the other hand, combining martial arts punches and kicks with Guandao strikes
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>>4523219
>this is a really important decision that will impact the entire quest
It really isn't. We aren't going to use whatever we forge here after the Emperor picks us up. The only thing our weapon choice impacts is how QM writes the fight.
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>>4522484
>> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential
Shit, forgot this.
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>>4523247
>>4523250
Being a jack of all treads is either boring and underwelming or it becomes into Master of all and gets too op. That is also not a reason to minmax and get easily exploitable weaknesses both of character and fighting style.
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>>4523266
And we will ask him to forge a weapon we are proficient with. Like the weapons we are going between now and when emps arrives.
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>>4523270
*trades
*turns into
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>>4523274
*We are going to use

My fucking autocorrector is eating words, It must be a Chaos autocorruptor now... I know where the door is.
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>>4523270
>well-rounded means being a jack of all trades
Clear you know jack shit.
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>>4523282
And I just realized that my ID is purplish pink and almost says Evil, well done Slaanesh
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>>4523274
We could ask him for literally anything. If we want to try something new, we can try something new. The thought that our choice of weapon now forbids us from changing it in the future is retarded. If we wanna swap the guandao out for lightning claws or a bo in the middle of the crusade, we can. Nobody will stop us.
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Could we go for a magnetic harequz or some ancient chinese cannon

Let's be eminently practical. Get a cannon and lob ammunitions. Bomb it out of existence
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>>4523291
...But if my vote wins we'll have both A Bo, A Guandao and a not!powerfist/claws and boots, which play to Lieren's current strenghts (hand to hand combat, spears and skill+strenght based weapons)
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>>4522484
>> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential
Nothing else.
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>>4523264
Guandao are two handed though
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>>4523270
"jack of all trades master of none is still better than a master of one."
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>>4523320
No it's not, it's boring

Being a jack of all trades master of none means you're never going to be excelling, so you're never going to be winning. I mean sure, you're average at it, but there's still some other master who'll beat you.

Jack of all trades loses every time.
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>>4523326
Primarches are good at everything at a genetic level.
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>>4523337
Yeah, but they all have specializations. Trying to be a jack of all trades means we'd be more weaker and more irrelevant than fucking ferrus manus.
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>>4522484
> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential
I'd prefer the staff but it doesn't have enough votes, and the option with three seems like a bit much. One is good enough for now.
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>>4523342
How dare you insult Ferrus Manus, he's a good boy. He's just got demons to fight, figuratively and literally.
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>instead of choosing the guandao, natural progression of our hunting spear and deeply symbolic of our progression as hero of Yan
>anons want to risk wield a staff and a guandao and have spiked gauntlets and also shinguards and maybe also a helmet and a rope dart and a kunai and-
What is the point of choosing all of the above when asked what weapon you want to use an enormous amount of resources to forge, when doing so only lessens the impact and makes things harder for the QM to write for no tangible benefit on our end? Why would we dual wield a staff and a guandao sized for us? What the fuck is the point? The gauntlets should come later, when we've mastered Jinhai's lessons and feel the need to go farther, not out of nowhere on the first step of our journey as a primarch. Choosing to have one of everything isn't remotely sensible from Lieren's perspective when functionality and minimalism on his part are absolutely core to his entire character. I pity Malal for having to cope with this.
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>>4523350
I agree
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>>4523350
They want to be le totally epic manhua protagonist with a million weapons and magic karate

It's the same kind of person that plays an tiefling hexblade warlock
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>>4523342
>Yeah, but they all have specializations.
And I’ve been arguing to be well-rounded, which seems to be am alien concept around here.
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>>4523359
Being "well rounded" doesn't mean being an builder, a smith, a fighter, using multiple weapons, etc, etc, etc.
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>>4523359
It's not like we're going to be absolute shit at anything, not to mention we're genetically predisposed to have some method of specialization anyhow.
It's only a bad thing if it's all you can do, which is almost certainly not gonna be the case here.
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>>4523356
>>4523357
I'm just disgusted by it.

>>4523359
The Emperor's Children were well-rounded. What we need is to keep our options versatile and hard commit once the opportunity arises.
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>>4523362
And it doesn’t exclude those things either. Hell back in the day it was expected for men to be able to serve in a variety of roles.
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>>4523350
I think the point of the staff/ guandao is having a detachable head for the weapon
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>>4523350
Dual wield?. We make them into the same weapon, pal
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>>4523374
We're not back in the day, we're going to be fighting Megarachnids, warlords from the DAoT, and the Rangdan. Any loss of individual efficiency is not something we can afford.
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>>4523326
Dude, it's literally 2 polearms and fists.
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>>4523383
So you don't know how to read, good. Let me explain: we aim for a bo with an energy projector that can summon a Guandao blade at will or a force weapon head that we can summon, and if that cannot be done, we just stick with the Guandao and beat people we want to take alive with the not pointy end and with our fists. Having the fists, a bo and a Guandao as weapons takes almost no time and doesn't make us into a multiweapon specialist (jack of all trades) like you suggest is going to happen. We are goi g to train martial arts anyways, so training with fists and greaves on makes no difference. The bo amd the Guandao are so similar as a weapon that we can overlap the trainings. What issue do you have here aside from being contrarian? Please explain
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>>4523391
One polearm and fists, the Guandao+bo is just a bo that we can put on a blade and remove it at will
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>>4523391
That's way too much, we're not going to be effective if we try to use more than one at a time
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>>4523394
Shit I linked the wrong post. I apologize for my mistake
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I vote spiked gauntlets
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>>4523383
We’re currently in feudal not!China. So yes this is back in the day.
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Maybe that look like this, just 2 super solid fuckers.
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>>4523307
>>4522757
I redirect you to my previous post where I explain how to avoid getting shanked if our swing goes wide and we can't recover back in time
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>>4523435
But that's dumb, they're gauntlets, not gloves. If you have the time to punch someone with a gauntlet you have the time to use your polearm.

Also, the staff part is dumb, if we want to take people out we can just hit them with the blunt end of the polearm instead of making an entire new weapon with an retractable end (which would make the entire thing more prone to breaking)
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>>4523440
I just wanted to make a compromise between people that wanted gauntles (like me), people that wanted a Bo (like me) and people that wanted a Guandan (like me) in a way that the power of the weapon and our skills as a Primarch didn't suffer. I win watever the end result is, but people misread the vote and though I was talking about dualwielding powerfists and two polearms. I want to get gauntlets and greaves just in case we lose our weapon and have to beat something hand to hand. If QM says that we can't get all three or that getting them will reduce the power of the weapon in a way that having two weapons won't compensate, then I'll just remove the vote
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I really hope that QM posts the update soon so we can get rid of all the salt and continue the quest with the good vives it had before
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>> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential
we can still be non lethal with this, just hit a dude with the flat of the blade or with the pole,even the reverse end of the pole could have a heavy end that is used to smack a dude
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>>4523456
Taking me awhile to get a correct count here, and my sleep schedule is still fucked. My apologies
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>>4523463
No problem, take your time. And insomnia is a bitch to deal with,so take care. To sum up the count, Guandao stomps everything else, but some people (like me) wants to get gauntlets too and if possible the whole Guandao bo bullshit, but I'm starting to regret even suggesting anything aside of gauntlets plus Guandao
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>>4522484
> A Guandao, an improvement on your simple hunting spear in both form and killing potential

Gauntlets are nice, but the future Power Guandaos.....they call to me. Also, just the one weapon. We'll learn martial arts eventually, so the gauntlets might be nice later, but no need to pick them up now.
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Calling the vote and counting:

Guandao:27
Staff:8
bladed gauntlets: 9

So, the Guandao wins, and there aren't enough votes for the other two nor a large enough fraction of Votes combining them with the Guandao.

Seems I slept through a shitstorm about whether to combine them or not. So to any worrying, this won't stop Lieren from, saying picking up a weapon besides a Guandao or anything.

Anyways, writing the update, and I am sorry that it took me so long to do so.

>>4523299
I would've allowed it. I mean you guys have been planning on "inventing" gunpowder and guns for awhile
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>>4523503
Gunpowders are nice, but they're the kind of stuff we should give to our soldiers.

When you're able to literally tank cannonballs like they're paintball, it becomes easier to just use an melee weapon.
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>>4523507
how about..throwing cannon balls!?!
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>>4523515
With a giant sling maybe, if you want to be able to destroy walls.

Other than that, let's just get our soldiers some muskets and halberds.
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>>4523526
>>4523515
>>4523507
>>4523503
Fuck yeah! We are playing Borgio the Besieger only we are not just the tank but also DPS.
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>>4523526
Did china ever adapt pike and shot techniques? I think they'd be pretty good against the massive armies of china, assuming we can standardize and mass produce flintlocks
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>>4523562
Yeah, they would.

But this actually makes me ask a question: how are we going to develop our army without being suspicious? We don't want gao to discover about it until we've got a loyal army of well-armed men.
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>>4523579
I'm not entirely sure if we could hide it. Maybe we have Gao die of "natural causes" and install a puppet? He's got plenty of potential heirs, we just need to find one that isn't a monster yet
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>>4523579
Make the weapons ourself in a secret location? Create our own bandit group to ruin the life of some asshole noble in another province? I don’t know.
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>>4523579
I'd like to think people like us enough over Gao that we won't have to be too sneaky about things
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>>4523586
>>4523590
I think an coup plot would work much better.

Basically, install our forces across the province, sneakily create some weapons and stash them away, then one day just pop up in his castle and take over.
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>>4523599
Maybe we can get our current guard force to infiltrate Gao's guards?
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>>4523599
Remember that Gao is just one of many provincial nobles. Trying to take over his province without the support of the Yan Emperor will just have us dogpiled from all sides.
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>>4523604
With how quick we are drastically improving things, think we could get by with 'just look at how incompetent this dude that we were able to build things this fast?'
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So getting a Vimana when?
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The work began, outside of the fishing village, away from the roaring waters at their shores and the men and women living with in its thin, flimsy walls. Which would be replaced soon, sitting beneath rain and wind, you worked, chest bare to the elements and weather. You worked tirelessly, for four days and four nights, only stopping to eat and regain your stamina. Your men defended the village, patrolling the path that would one day soon bare the latest arm of the great road of the giant.

A forge was built, from your own design, larger than any other and able to process a far greater amount of metal with only a slight increase in fuel. It was necessary, to be able to create every part of the weapon you intended to bring into the world. Sweltering heat assailed you, splinters of metal and burning embers stabbed into your skin and cooled, as you kept the forge burning bright, for all four days. You did this, to remove the impurities in the metal, to strengthen it and reinforce it, so it could with stand the force of your movements and strikes.

Every day, more slag and unusable waste was produced from this process. You'd take the glowing bar of metal in tongs you had custom made and would then cool it in water from a nearby spring, letting it rest before melting it again and repeating the cycle. A cycle you repeated many times a day, as not only was your forge large, it was efficient, far more so than the common blacksmiths' oven or even a master craftsman's own facilities. It was a marvel of design in its own right, and would no doubt be adopted throughout the kingdom of Yan, once it became known.

On the fifth and sixth day, you began the second part of the process. The once dull iron was now shimmering and brilliant steel, that almost matched silver in its beauty. Pure, not a single unwanted impurity left within it to lessen its strengthen and weaken the bonds inside the metal. It would not shatter, nor would it chip, even if you swung with all of your might against another weapon or a block of iron.

Now you began to heat it less, to make the bar of iron, the size of a man's chest, soft and pliable enough to be workable. It was a slow process, as you had to carefully measure the fuel you placed in the forge and control its temperature by opening and closing various hatches and valves you had built into it, to stop and allow air flow, to increase or lower the heat in moments rather than hours. Surrounded by steam and smoke, you drove your tongs into the mouth of the forge, turning the steel around so it would evenly heat.

To outside eyes, it must seem as if you were working some kind of sorcery upon the steel, with the glowing white heat of the forge, the black smoke filling your workshop, and the hissing and sputtering of the rain as it was turned to steam upon meeting the sheer heat surrounding you. Sweat poured down your chest, boiling on your skin as you pulled the finished steel out of the forge.
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>>4523641

And with a mighty clang, set it upon the anvil also made by your own hands. Grasping the hammer resting upon its side, you began to shape and lengthen the steel bar, starting to form the haft of your weapon. It would seem to other men a pillar of steel, but in your hands it was a mere pole. Each strike of your hammer sounded like a thunder clap, like the heavens themselves had split open and shattered.

When the metal cooled, you'd return the part you'd working on to the forge, heating it enough so you may continue your work. It took two days to finish the pole up to your standards. The last two days of a week of work, were spent creating the blade, and a counterweight with the excess steel. And for those two days, the echo of your hammer's swing broke the silence of the night and day, as you turned the untouched portion of the bar to a killing tool. A blade so mighty and large it could cover a man's chest.

With a spike that could drive through a solid plate of steel, a notch at its base to catch attacks and pull weapons from hands. The back of the blade was flat except for those two features, and as wide as two of your fingers pressed together. On the eighth and final day, you honed the edge to a razors edge, grinding and sanding it, sharpening it until it could split a hair plucked from your now unkempt beard and dropped upon it. Shaking the mist and sweat from your long Iron hair, you looked over your creation one last time before you'd set out on your quest to slay the Toad dragon and clear the way forward for your road.

It was to Guandaos as you were to men, it certainly looked like one, but was clearly above and beyond any Guandao forged before. It was almost white, the darkest hue in its steel being the color of clouds during a light rainfall. You had polished it, and now it reflected as well as any mirror.

Pleased with your work, you grabbed oiled leather, made from fog panther hide, and wrapped it tightly around the pole, in the areas you'd most often grip, so it would not slip easily from your hands. And then you set the Guandao above all other Guandaos against the wall of your workshop, and began to dress yourself.

For the Guandao was not the only thing you had made to face the lord of all rivers and mountains. A set of armor, steel plates layered over each other, greaves, gauntlets and linked chain to cover the gaps between the larger plates. Two slabs of steel to cover your shoulders and and more plates and chain to cover your upper arms, a helmet with a veil of chain down the back and front, covering your neck from attack. And a blank war mask, undecorated and unadorned, merely shaped to be connected to the helmet and cover your face. It gave you the appearance of a faceless monster. Upon your shoulders and back, such protection felt nearly weightless. It would crush a normal man.

Unpolished and unpainted, without a lacquer finish, it looked dull and crude, the color of storm clouds or wet ash.
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>>4523644

Setting the mask into place, you then tie your wild, flowing hair into a bun and take a knife and shear your face, clearing it of the light beard that had grown as you traveled and worked.

Then, placing on the helmet, and testing the dexterity of your hands beneath your leather gauntlets, covered in plates and slips of steel, you take your magnificent Guandao into your hands, and march through the village. All activity and work stops, as the people catch sight of you, and fruits of your labors. The dawn's rising sun catches on your Guandao and makes it glow brilliantly, your armor chiming against itself with every movement you take.

Some fall to their knees, others begin to shout about sorcery and divine metal, your guards merely look upon you in awe, remaining silent as a loud cheer raises to the heavens. From the fishers, the workers, the soldiers and your guards. It seems, dressed in such master crafted armor and wielding such a massive weapon, they've become more confident that it will be you who slays the toad dragon and not the other way around.

A crowed forms, following your short march through the fishing village, and to the plains and empty fields leading to the pass between four mountains and many rivers. To the woods and swamps where the magical beast has ruled as a tyrant for a century, and what will become its grave soon enough. The fog thickens, the cheers fall silent on the wind, as you continue your journey into the wilds at an even march, never slowing or quickening your pace.

The air becomes acrid, almost acidic. Like bile spilled onto dirt, or steel. the ground begins to crunch under your steps, bones replacing soil as the ground a few miles into the pass, grass and mushrooms growing from them. The only trees and bushes growing along the pass, are blackened, twisted and weak. Like burnt wood. Rusted weapons stand among them, grave markers, still held in the hands of their long dead wielders. Every step you take, bone dust fills the air, thickening the fog as you continue you along.

The only sounds besides the cracking of old bones, is the whistling of wind, howling mournfully almost as if it were in pain, and the rushing of distant streams, crashing against stone. Now it has become as a swamp, a foulness of some kind softening the bones and earth beneath into a marsh. The juices of decay and spilt blood having turned solid ground soft. You'd need to build supports for the road here, so it will not vanish into the ground. Eventually it will firm up again. But it will take some time for it to become a solid foundation once more.

The ground hisses, bubbling as you march through it, as if it itself is incensed by your trespass. A hill, forged of the bones of man and beast alike rises before your, into the sky.

"Impressive" You say dully, pressing the end of your Guandao into the mud and slim around your ankles
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>>4523645
"to kill so many in a hundred years without moving from this pass, or traveling, simply lazing in your lair. Impressive"


It was coming, the pile of bones shifted, the mud raised and boiled like water, the very ground shook and quaked. The air became so foul, it tingled against your skin and burned your eyes. The smell of bile, of acid, of fermenting grain filled your lungs and mouth. But you stood firm, and unmoving.

Even as the ground split in twain, and the beast itself arose, many times your own impressive size. Its body was segmented, liked a centipedes as you were told, covered in a thick armor of black carapace, pallid flesh visible beneath it, with warts and patches of discolored skin, and deep scars in its hide. Weapons bristled along its back and sides, broken and rusted from years exposed to the elements. It had six limbs shaped like a fog panthers, great clawed paws along its front, middle and back. Between them, along its sides, were jutting burrs and spikes of bone. It flew into the sky, stretching itself tall and casting you in its shadow. The mound of bones broke, a scythe like bone cutting through them as its furred tailed danced in the air.

It looked upon you, three bulging eyes and two curled horns on its terrible head, that was covered in slime and vines, giving it the appearance of having hair so long it hung over its head and covered its features. Features that you could make out, even with it at least two hundred feet in the air, from merely stretching to its full length.

Two slits for nostrils, a deep cut along its "Cheek", a "beard" of hanging moss and crawling vines, a long tongue that split into two in the middle, and teeth. Broad, flat, black teeth. The teeth of a man, speckled with decay and broken. And, watching how this thing moved, how it crawled and attempted to stand, you realized.

Whatever this toad dragon was, it was not born this way, it had once been a man, you can see it in its movements, in its dull, clouded eyes. It was seem impossible, but the feeling you get as you watch this thing attempt to intimidate you, you do not feel as if you're standing before a beast, magical or mundane. But rather a man! a man maddened and twisted, but a man none the less.

It is at that moment it strikes, billowing clouds of black smog rolling from its thin lips as it dives down at you, attempting to swallow you or bite into you to shake apart.

You easily step aside, as it crashes, your armor dulling as a cloud of the foul mist washes over you, burning your eyes and exposed skin, like hot water would. You dash it away with a twirl of your Guandao, as the beast slams into the ground of bones and muck with enough force to burrow into it.
It whips itself around, its long body of three hundred feet stretching and coiling behind you. With your right hand gripping the front of the haft, you raised your left, taking a deep breath and centering yourself.
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>>4523649
Focusing intently, you pull your left leg back, your foot tracing a path through the sludge as you take your stance.


Gripping the back of the pole with your left hand, you press your left leg deep into the muck to stabilize yourself and give yourself an anchor as the ground shakes and breaks to pieces as the Toad Dragon rips through the ground like it were fine flour.

It rises up, screaming and howling in a way that no natural being could make, that no mad man could make. Black smoke and foul vapors spew from its open maw, corroding the bones that fly into the air from its charge towards you, wilting the few trees further, until they are mere twigs in the ground.

And you return its challenge, roaring louder than thunder itself, screaming at such a volume it seems to cause the very air around you to quake and quiver in fear.

The battle begins in earnest, as it comes within ten feet of you.

What will your first move be, Lieren?
> Swing your Guandao around and hammer its head into the muck with the counter weight
>Side step and attempt to sever one of its forelimbs
> Hold firm, step back, and then stab your Guandao through its jaw
> Fight defensively, redirecting its claws and bites, until you have an opening to slice its side
> write in

https://youtu.be/0zoNDGyzhf8 some music for the fight
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>>4523653
>> Fight defensively, redirecting its claws and bites, until you have an opening to slice its side
Be cautious. If it used to be a man, it has some of the smarts of one.
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>>4523653
>Side step and attempt to sever one of its forelimbs
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>>4523653
>> Fight defensively, redirecting its claws and bites, until you have an opening to slice its side
Like water around a boulder, it's attacks flow around us and we shall be unbothered.
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>>4523653
>> Fight defensively, redirecting its claws and bites, until you have an opening to slice its side
Probably a former monk corrupted by Nurgle.
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> Fight defensively, redirecting its claws and bites, until you have an opening to slice its side
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>>4523604
Putting ourselves in charge of Gao's holdings would definitely bring down some retribution, but as long as we replace him with one of his sons and stay in our administrator role we should be fine. Once we get the region running properly then we can take over.
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>>4523653
>> Fight defensively, redirecting its claws and bites, until you have an opening to slice its side
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>>4523653
> Fight defensively, redirecting its claws and bites, until you have an opening to slice its side
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>>4523653
> Fight defensively, redirecting its claws and bites, until you have an opening to slice its side
Remember what Jinhai told us.
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>>4523653
>> Fight defensively, redirecting its claws and bites, until you have an opening to slice its side
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Calling the vote and writing the update

Fight defensively:8
try to cripple it:1

Alright, so Lieren will stay on the defensive, waiting for an opening to make his first, decisive strike
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Taking a deep breath, you do not move, remaining still in your stance. Nine feet, eight. It roars, thrashing its sickle like claws through the earth, racking up bones, rusted and corroded blades and pieces of armor, and throwing stones into the air. Seven feet, six. Its closing in now, you can see the form of the first attack it will make against you. A bite, aiming for your head, to tear it from your shoulders, simple in its brutality yet deadly in its effectiveness. Five feet, four. Its the moment of the attack, its going to stretch its jaws out, having no neck. Its mouth will extend and try to pluck your head from your body like it were a ripe peach.

It is in this moment you act, putting most of your weight into your leg buried in the muck of soil and rotten flesh. Then, twisting your waist, you swing your guandao around, shifting your left hand to meet your right as you pivot and turn to strike the Toad dragon. Using only enough force to redirect its bite and charge away from you. The bottom length of the iron pole connects with the edge of its jaw. Its shattered and black teeth slamming shut a mere hand full of inches from your skull.

It turns, hissing, spitting and roaring, its body coiling and rising as it tries to batter you with its horns, and knock you off your feet. Pulling your guandao back, you twirl it around, facing the flat of its blade to the creature's head as it shakes and tries to crush you beneath it.

You catch its horns upon it, holding the creatures head up. Your muscles scream and pull taught, the stench of bile and stomach acid washes over you, mingling with the scent of rancid meat and vinegar mixed with strong alcohol. The world goes blurry, your vision smothered by the cloud of its foul breath flowing out of its stomach like smoke from a fire, wrapping around you and making you blind for a moment. This is one of the few moments you had to truly exert your strength and push your body to do as you commanded to it. Its weight was crushing, its stench unbearable, and strength beyond any mundane beast.

Holding your breath, you step out of the fog, eyes watering as you retract your Guandao and readopted you stance. A moment later, the creatures comes barreling towards you again, rearing up into the air and holding itself a loft by the strength of its spine and back muscles alone. Breathing in, a fire runs down your throat and into your lungs. Even as the foul miasma is taken by the wind and carried away, the air it touched remains foul and toxic. But you can endure this mild pain.

Sickle claws rain down on you, as the creature swings its paws and arms at you wildly, fingers twitching and striking out wildly. Its like defending against a whole group of combatants at once. But those claws are much more deadly than any mundane blade, razor edged and wielded with strength that could tear a man in twain. At this moment, any other would meet their death, choking on the fumes its spews or torn to ribbons by its claws.
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>>4523847
But not you.


Every swing of its arms, you match with the side of your blade, blocking the limb and pushing its lashing claws away from you and your vital organs. After the third guard, its claws grasp the blade and it tries to wrench your Guandao out of your hands. You merely retract it, pulling it close to your chest and cutting deep into its claws, weakening them. Then it begins to curl around you, striking carefully, quickly, trying to find a hole in your guards.

In response, you begin the carp's dance, moving to avoid its slashes and strikes by pivoting on your heels, turning, dancing and stepping away from them, moving as fluidly as a fish in a pond, swirling and stepping to avoid everyone of its attacks. Kneeling on one knee, you bait it to attack more ferociously and commit more to its clawing and snapping. And it does, thinking you to be exhausted, it launches itself with its four back legs and pounces at you, foreclaws outstretched and jaws wide open.

Standing, you hold you Guandao flat, and shake it, smacking the counter weight into its lower jaw. Its head jerks up into the air as its teeth snap together, once more failing to claim your head, then come its claws, jerking around chaotically and randomly, to try and rend you apart, to tear your limbs or slice through throat.

You flip your Guandao up, vertically, and wave it back and forth, making it move like a carp's tail and batting the toad dragon's paws away as it rears up. It starts to slither away, much of its length vanishing into the ground as you push forward, pursuing it for every inch it retreats, still parrying every strike and slash it throws against you. As its head vanishes into the soil, spewing a cloud of black breath into the air, you step back and let out your own breath, fainting a retreating jab towards it you're sure it sees.

And then you stand still, back straight as a pole in the ground and eyes closed. Its beneath your feet, you can feel the vibrations running from the marshy ground into your bones. It'll rise again in a few moments, so you take a few precious gasps of clean air. It returns, screaming and laughing inhumanly, its shriek shaking your armor and the very earth itself.

You step back as it crashes up from under where you stood, and comes thrashing down, attempting to crush you and wrap you in its body as it rampages about, running around you, filling the air with its putrid and acidic breath. It circles you and comes charging towards you once again.

It has you encircled, only a few steps to move in either direction, you open your eyes, and slam the bottom of the guandao into the ground, twisting around to face the creature as it comes upon you. That movement puts you along its side as it snaps its jaw shut where your torso was a breath before.
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>>4523853

And then, taking a step back, outside of the range of its claws and teeth, you raise your weapon into the air, slamming its edge into the first carapace covering its venerable hide, shattering it and cutting deep into its flesh, pulling it back you twirl it around over your head, and using the momentum, slice through another one of its shields, cleaning cutting into its meet.

The Toad Dragon wails and cries horribly, now that its wounded, a keening shriek of pain and misery escaping its lips, a ragged cry of shock, of surprise of being wounded so gravely by what it figured to be an easy meal. The awful beast barrels forward, stumbling and falling to its back as it trips over itself, freeing you from the prison it made of its own body. Now it is sprawled out in the mud, helpless in the muck as it tries to right itself and claw its way free.

Turning to it, you gracefully skip towards it, your toes being the only part of you to touch the sinking ground, to avoid sinking into it and having to wade through the foul substance. It flips around, hissing, spitting and wailing like a tortured soul. And then, its spews forth a torrent of its most foul breath, which billows and fills the air like a great plum of smoke.

The Toad dragon has cloaked itself in its own breath, hiding away from your vision
Black bile washes out from under the cloud of acidic miasma, fouling the tainted earth further.

What is your second move, Lieren
> Rush into the cloud, using your Guandao to clear the air as you do, and stab at the Toad dragon to force it to retreat
> Crouch, kneeling on one leg, Guadao pulled to your side, waiting for it to charge you, so you can bring the blade down upon its head
>Stand tall and hold you Guardao Horizontally, to catch its next attempt to tear your head from your shoulders
>Step back, and sprint forward, before leaping into the air, Guandao raised to pin the beast or cut it deeply
> Write in?
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>Listen for the beast's movements.
If trying to flee:
> Use your Guandao to clear the air as you go into the cloud, and stab at the Toad dragon to attempt to kill it.
If approaching us:
>Stand tall and hold you Guardao Horizontally, to catch its next attempt to tear your head from your shoulders
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>>4523855
> Crouch, kneeling on one leg, Guadao pulled to your side, waiting for it to charge you, so you can bring the blade down upon its head
Going into that cloud feels like an obvious trap. Best we wait for it to get impatient and charge at us.
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>>4523860
supporting
We zen master now. Speaking of, because the bo staff still calls to me and to partially appease the multi-weapon crowd, maybe we could forge the staff to use on the day-to-day and keep the guandao for when we're planning on fighting? I like the idea of the staff as a tool and defensive weapon and the guandao for purposeful, intentional combat.
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>>4523860
support
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>>4523855
>> Crouch, kneeling on one leg, Guadao pulled to your side, waiting for it to charge you, so you can bring the blade down upon its head
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>>4523855
>>4523860
Support
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>>4523860
might as well support, seems the best of both worlds.
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>>4523855
> Rush into the cloud, using your Guandao to clear the air as you do, and stab at the Toad dragon to force it to retreat

outlasting a deamon of the papa nurgle is not safe
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>>4523884
also this could tie into 'crouching/kneeling'

>wait, then strike.
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>>4523860
Support.

>>4523869
Staff is definitely something we should look into later, it would be quite useful even out of combat.
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we're going to brag to our brothers about this, I know it's not as cool as drowning a metal dragon in lave with your bare hands, but this is a beast worth killing.
>>4523860
supporting.
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>>4523860
Support
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Calling the vote and writing the update.

Listen for what the TD is doing before acting: 8
Kneel and wait:2
Run in to the cloud:1

>>4524031
A metal dragon that then kind of became your hand
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You pause, as the black smoke curls. the white steam rising from the corrosive touch of the dark bile flowing under the cloud curls and dances, shifting and mixing into the dark, obscuring mass of the deadly combination of the foulest rot and most potent stomach acids, weaving through the cloud like a thin thread. Bones and forgotten blades boil beneath its touch, erased forever from the world except for the puddle of off grey liquid they become. It would be foolish to rush ahead or otherwise attack without a plan and even your golden eyes, which pierce through lies and actions alike, cannot see through the veil that beast's breath creates.

So instead, you swing your Guandao, flicking most of the dark blood coating its edge into the air and down to the muck, revealing its reflective surface once more. Then, with a mighty thrust, you stab the end of its pole into the muck, finding solid ground to place it on as you close your eyes and take a deep breath of what little clean air remains after the Toad Dragon belched such massive quantities of its foul, acidic breath. Focusing your thoughts, and doing away with useless sensations, you clear you mind, keeping your breath held as you two hearts slow their beating to a crawl.

The cracking of bones digesting, of rusted metal snapping, of the wind crying and howling mournfully, all fade from your attention. The stinging upon your skin, the hissing of the leather you wear and grip, also vanish as if they were never there. All sensation, all of your senses dull and fade until only your hearing remains. Everything unnecessary stops as if struck dead. No sound, no feeling, no pain, nothing. In the void you've created in your mind, only one thing remains. The pained cries of the beast that was once a man, a horrid, hair raising combination of crying, wailing, laughing and gagging.

It is near indescribable, outside of its sheer unnatural awfulness, to describe it to another would be a challenge almost equal to facing the beast in combat. Nothing natural, nothing under heaven or in it should sound like this creature does. And yet it does, a sound only heard by the dead breaks from its lips, causing the air itself to recoil away with every utterance of its maddening war cry.

And beneath its cries, you can here its heavy foot falls, falling upon the sodden soil, snapping bones and iron with the same ease as it gathers its senses again. Its in pain, and is planning the method of its revenge. It skitters, it clatters, into the void your world has become. And then with a shriek that could shatter glass, it comes rushing, the sounds it makes drawing closer as you remain still and centered. You do not move to attack, or defend or even open your eyes, instead your empty mind fills with minute calculations, judging its distance from you with every step it takes in its enraged sprint towards you.
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>>4524156

It will be upon you in a breath or two, aiming for your head again. It is trying to end this battle with one decisive attack

Letting your breath pass from your lips, as the sting of the Toad Dragon's vapors washes over you, carried by the movement of the beast itself, you wait for the last possible moment to act as it thunders towards, bellowing its wrath and pain to an uncaring world. You feel its burning spittle of your face, feel the full force of its breath directly in your face.

And only then do you react. With lightning speed, you pull the Guandao from the mud and muck, sliding your left hand down to its bottom as you lean back, mere centimeters from the monster's gnashing jaws. Holding your weapon out horizontally, its teeth meet steel instead of flesh. Shards of its rotting teeth fly, splattering against your armor and tarnishing it with the grease they ooze and melt into.

Opening your eyes wide, you see the confusion in all three of the magical beasts eyes, even clouded over and turned as white as fresh fallen snow, you can see the dread that flashes through its bestial mind and it can see the triumph burning in your eyes of gold.

With all of your strength, your might, you lift the creatures head up, raising your Guandao above your head to do so. Stepping forward, pushing it back as you do, a groan escapes your clenched jaw as every muscle fiber beneath your skin tenses to move such a colossal monstrosity.

And then, raising your knee, you shatters it jaw against bone and metal. Pain shooting through your limb to your spine and stomach, nothing broken or damaged, at most you'll bruise. Most of its remaining decayed teeth are shattered into slivers, loosely hanging in its black gums as black points and daggers.

The beast is stunned, and with one might heft of your arms, and twist of your body, you send it crashing to the ground. With your massive body and great strength, you have tossed the monster that has for a century scared away armies.

Fury burns in your mind, an intoxicating rush friom pent up bloodlust and rage unleashed in one moment. Breathing heavily, your lungs pained from the vapors you inhaled, you glare at the monstrosity.

The Toad Dragon rises to trembling legs, black bile pouring from its mouth, its foul breath spewing from the edge of its lips as its blood boils and digests away into pure white steam. Now it glares back at you, recognizing you not as prey animal, but a fellow predator come to steal its territory and slay it.

"Hrrrrktchhrrrkthcheeeeeuuuur" It hisses, drooling its stomach acids down its chest, at the end of which it drips off to form a small puddle at its feet, first as black as night before it loses its potency and turns as grey, mingling with what it eats away.

It spits at you and you stand on your toes, pivoting out of the way, flowing as a carp swims through water. Touching back to the ground you face it and snarl.
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>>4524157

And challenge it with wrath filled roar of your own, beating your gauntlet covered hand against your chest, pocket marks forming in the steel where its spittle touched landed.


What is your third move, Lieren?
> incite it to charge you again and slice upwards into its chest
> Charge at it, and stab for its three eyes, attempting to blind it
>Stand your ground and and stare it down, cutting through its jaw when it attempts to take your head again
> Run circles around it, tricking it into exhausting itself by trying to attack you madly
>write in?
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>>4524159
>> Charge at it, and stab for its three eyes, attempting to blind it
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>>4524159
> Charge at it, and stab for its three eyes, attempting to blind it
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>>4524159
Changing vote to
>charge and aim to cripple its limbs
Cant fight if it cant more or doesn't have anymore weapons.

So is our Primarch baby starting to feel the burn? He getting that authentic work out?
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>>4524159
>Charge it and cripple it's limbs

Time to switch up our style, stop it from predicting us.
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>>4524159
> Run circles around it, tricking it into exhausting itself by trying to attack you madly
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>>4524159
I say do not charge it but circle around it attempting to cut off its appendages to cripple it. Charging straight would make it harder to dodge the spit and we are likely to get wounded in the process. While circling would make it more difficult for it to keep tracking Lieren.

>Run circles around it and cripple it's limbs
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>>4523604
Let them come, if we get guns and halberds we'd be able to destroy them.
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>>4523604
Well he controls a whole province, but he is already very powerful and rich. And he has many nobles under him that have power and riches. If we take the province that power and riches can be used for become powerful. Another thing to consider : the province is very defensible for his mountains, terrain, fog, dangerous wilds and many other features. So we should be able to form a strong kingdom, after we build great citadels and other defenses on our borders.

Whatever armies the empire will send will be destroyed or heavily crippled on their assaults of this citadels. And then we will go out with an even better army than the one of our rebellion.
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Hey Malal any plans on archiving and starting a new thread?
Phonefag here and its starting to take time to load the thread due to the amount of posts.
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>>4524199
>>4524192
So you guys rather mountains of corpses and rivers of blood than more peaceful methods.
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>>4524159
> Charge at it, and stab for its three eyes, attempting to blind it
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>>4524206
They're going to come either way.

And we don't know any of gao's son either way. Unless we met one that would be willing to allow us to freely develop an army (which would make taking over yan MUCH easier), then the plan HAS to be a coup.
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>>4524206
We can continue with our farse only for so long. People will still suffer if we don t free them, and our values will be shared with the people we help and close to us. They will clash with the corrupted world around them at a certain point. If we don t do it it will happen without our control of it.

In regard to battles i would prefer if we are able to wound our enemy more than kill it, so that we can make them prisoner and see if there are men that can be saved or all corrupted.
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>>4524159
>Stand and stare
We could put some practice into the moves we have.
>>4524206
>>4524212
>>4524213
Could we afford a picke and shot mercenary tercio whit what will be our pay of the work we do?

That could be an option. Get the forces and then fuck off to claim our own life and land somewhere else where we won't bother him unless he really wans to go there like the battlefield.

And we can simply be the proprietor, paymaster, and quartermaster of the force we are running.


This way for another project we can go with other people we meet some interesting people with various resources we can do business with.
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>>4524225
I wouldn t be surprise that from now on a lot of interesting, wise, skilled people or even just normal people will get to us. For either create a relation or offer to serve us. Our reputation with the road project done and after the dragon toad battle will become big.
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>>4524159
>> incite it to charge you again and slice upwards into its chest
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>>4524159
>Stand your ground and and stare it down, cutting through its jaw when it attempts to take your head again
I believe this sets a good precedent for our style going forward.
>fuck around
>find out
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>>4524159
>Stand your ground and and stare it down, cutting through its jaw when it attempts to take your head again
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>>4524159
>>Stand your ground and and stare it down, cutting through its jaw when it attempts to take your head again
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>>4524159
> Run circles around it, tricking it into exhausting itself by trying to attack you madly
Chop any limb that we can and blind it if possible, but we should center our efforts in avoiding damage from the spit and piling up wounds so the next rounds it's attacks are less effective and ours are even more devastating
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>>4523599
If we didn't wipe out all the apex animals and bandits, we could have had good reason to help raise local militias, or "town guards", and when the time to unify them into an army comes we make the call for them to assemble.
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>>4524172
support
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>>4524620
I feel like Gao is paranoid enough to let us strengthen his men regardless so long as we keep mentioning everybody else being totally jealous of the most prosperous province of Yan.
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>>4524629
The word is envious.
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>>4524159
>Charge at it, and stab for its three eyes, attempting to blind it
Damn it feels good to be able to post with an actual pc, screw phoneposting
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>>4524621
I have changed my vote to
> Charge at it, and stab for its three eyes, attempting to blind it

In an attempt to get this moving
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>>4522383

I have done a symbol based on the first fog panther description with some additions, and it s in a pauldron too (the pauldron and symbol is of the same colors used for the Lieren Robe Scheme marine image if it s not clear). There are the colors of the different marines proposed in the squares. A part from this one
>>4522372
that is too connected to Gao, and the first ones. I feel like having the symbol in a circle looks oriental. Plus Lieren name.

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I was thinking we should make (after we are done salvaging materials from the monster) a stone ossuary for the victims of the monster as well a small stone monument for celebrate his death. When we are done with the fight of course and have rested sometime, and if we aren t injured.
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>>4524845
Holy shit, this looks pretty cool. But uh, i'm not gonna lie, and while i hope i'm not sounding ungrateful or anything (this is really good), isn't blue and yellow the color of the thousand sons? Yours is inverted, being blue detail with yellow background, but the thousand sons have an pretty similar color scheme.

I mean, the painting on itself is really good and having inverted color schemes isn't a problem at all, but uh, i think it'd be important to say that
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>>4524845
I like this for the robe color scheme especially, but it would look good on any of the four except the christmas scheme
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>>4524845
Could you make the Panther Jade green? I'm not really convinced about wearing the blue/peach colors as our banner, they were given to us by an asshole and possibly one of slaanesh's cultists, we wear them to keep our farce standing, but Lieren has shown to hate the whole "luxiry not earned"
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>>4524845
Putting the horse before the carriage there. I think we should wait until latter for the chapter symbol.
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Btw, what image editor do you use to make all the armours and banners? I may give it a try
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>>4524856
Wasn't the whole jade thing also given by gao?

I wonder how the tiger would look like with white, though, following the white-gold color scheme. I mean, i like this one too, but you'd have to find a way to not look too much like the thousand sons/rubricae
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>>4524857
Yep, but no point in no planning or making things if we have free time
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>>4524857
I honestly like the the figure of the fog panther, the only thing i don't know is the color. Azure & Gold feels too tzeentchey, and it was the color given to us by gao.
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>>4524856
You dont need to have green jade fyi. There are other colours of it.
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>>4524860
At the start of the quest, after rebuilding the village, were told by someone in Nothing that we practically "made jade from manure", Gao was just more refined while using the same expression and we took it as ours
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>>4524868
well, i forgot about that then.

but aren't there like, multiple colors of jade with multiple meanings? Like, white jade apparently represents purity, truth and clarity, and the green one is heaven
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>>4524865
The armour is white because white jade is the most precious for Chinese people, gold is in honour of the emperor and another symbol of prosperity (the rising sun is golden, when people think about riches they think "golden", father has an obsessio-incredible taste and likes gold), I see green as a more obvious way to depict jade, because most people when they think about jade they picture a dark green stone with different shades of green mixed in (wich works as cammo for most environments with heavy vegetation)
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>>4524859
see
>>4521397
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>>4524871
>multiple colors of jade with multiple meanings
Yes. Absolutely. Lavender jade, black jade, blue jade, jade of multiple colors, even the different shade have their own meanings. Like there is a specific green jade called Imperial Jade that is assoicated with the Emperor. To complicate things further nephrite and jadeite are two different types of jade.
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Btw, now that I think about it, we are probably going to be known as the jade emperor when we rise to power. Maybe that's why he expunged the II primarch from records.
>Emps: Sooo, you are called Emperor as a title?
>Lienen: Yes.
> E: And you are rational, calm, wise, also you care about humans and won't praise me as a god, just as an honored and notable member of your family?
L: Yes honorable father.
> E: And you know fully about chaos but hate them.
L: Yup, assholes of the highest order (horrible pun intended).
>E: And you like gold?
>L: Yes? I like the symbolism, but gold alone is a little to much for my taste.
>E: [Shangrala burning in the distance] I REGET NOTHING!!!
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>>4524159
> Stand your ground and and stare it down, cutting through its jaw when it attempts to take your head again
Doing pops proud, one v oneing what is probably a lesser prince of nurgle
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>>4524853
It is, though if i remember before the heresy they had red and gold for their colors. yeah is important and np.

>>4524856
Sure. That s a good reason. I will do it alongside the white panter an anon asked.


>>4524857
Fair enough, but i just wanted to do something like the anons making the marines schemes. I will not do more until we arrive at that point.

>>4524854
thanks
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>>4524896
https://religion.wikia.org/wiki/Jade_Emperor
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>>4524899
Both are pretty good designs, but i think the white-gold in specific stands out, it looks pretty chinese and it also fits in specific with the corresponding armor color scheme because the symbol is white with a yellow background.
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https://mangadex.org/title/38539/song-of-the-sky-walkers
https://mangadex.org/title/34771/heresy
You know what? Here’s some Chinese wuxia/xianxia comics that aren’t shit and trust me, this is as good “made in China” will get.
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>>4524916
>one that's outright called "Heresy"
Perfect
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>>4524896
Ah, but fate has been changed! Maybe Emps appreciates jade in this timeline.

Other brother is FUCKED though
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>>4524942
we shall mourn the 11th.
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Calling the vote and counting

Charge it:6
|Aim for the eyes:4
|Aim to cripple it:3
Run around it:3
Stand and stare:4
Incite it to charge:1

Alright, Lieren will charge and attempt to blind the Toad dragon
Writing the update

>>4524202
Not sure, it doesn't take too long on my phone

>>4524845
>>4524899
FUCKING AWESOME! I love it
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>>4524947
I am happy you like it
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>>4524899
The right one is fantastic, It has my vote
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With your challenge stated, you charge forward, kicking up clods of mud and rot into the air, a fury gripping your mind, burning through your veins. You feel lighter, the pain in your arms fading more with every step you take towards the monstrous beast. Guandao held to the side in one hand, your armor chimes as the plates that make it fall against each other and ring musically as you rush to face the Toad Dragon head on, hoping to exploit its dazed and confused state to press the advantage and gain the upper hand in this battle to the death. Its brain must be ringing in its skull, a haze fallen over it. It will react slower, more sluggishly, but only for moment or two.

That is all the opening that you need, to critically wound the beast. The wind shrieks, howling through the valley, and the bones covering its floor. The dead, stunted trees are torn from the ground as the wind becomes a storm, rain falling in the foul earth and reacting as if it met oil. Puddles of corpse grease and bile holding the fallen rain on itself, refusing to be washed away. The sky dims, clouds cover what light could break through the fog, and now you fight in the gloom. The weather shifted so suddenly, that in the moment it took you to clear the distance between magical beast and yourself, all of this had occurred, and it only began to storm more ferociously as you moved to attack.

Swinging your Guandao in the ground, throwing a wave of decaying muck into the air as you grab the end of its pole with your free hand, and slide your other down its iron pole to more effectively grip it. The Toad Dragons swipes at you, its claws coated in its own corrosive bile. How clever!

Ducking under its claws, hearing the steel upon your back sizzle and pop like it were digesting meat, you dodge its attack and rise up, stabbing the blade of your Guandao forward, towards the beasts three eyes. It is once again surprised by your sheer speed and agility. Thunder crashes, as blood sprays. With a sickening squelch, one akin to the sound of squeezing a rotten radish, you stab through its leftmost eye. Some kind of greenish yellow slime flows out of the destroyed ocular organ, flowing over and soaking into your leather gauntlet. The disgusting substance is then slowly died orange and then deep red as blood gushes out from the wound like a geyser.

The Toad Dragons shrieks, lifting into the air and ripping its own eye out from the force of its sudden jerking and thrashing. Swinging the Guandao through the air, the eye slides off of it with a squelch, falling to the sodden soil with a loud splashing sound. Blood and Ichor alike cover you, as you slam you weapon to the ground and utterly destroy the Dragon's eye. Lightning flashes, illuminating the pass, and revealing to you the Dragon's spiteful glare, burning in its remaining two eyes.
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>>4525003

It attacks, its great body coiling and whipping through the air as it's head rolls upon the ground, trying to seal its weeping eye socket with mud and bones.


A crack that is not thunder echoes through the valley, over the sounds of the dragon in pain and the ground being torn from its trashing. The air is split by a keening whistle, and you pivot on your heels, as a flash off of white comes screaming towards you. Twirling your Guandao, sending its blade in a half crescent motion as you shift your weight and body to the side, curling like a carp in motion.

There's a deafening clang, as steel meets bone, sparks fly as the beast's scythe tail grinds along the flat end of your Guandao's blade, as it retreat backs, having been mere inches from driving itself through your chest. Then, from behind The Toad Dragon falls upon you, trying to crush you with its weight as a torrent of black bile spews from its open and screaming maw. It floods the ground around you, corroding and devouring what little was left upon the land of the pass.

Completing your rotation, you greet it with a preemptive riposte, stabbing your guandao into the air and bracing for the impact that is sure to follow. The blood and ichor coated blade pieces through the Toad Dragon's wide jaw, tearing free remnants of what remains of its teeth, splitting the flesh just behind the bone. The Beast's attempt to crush you pushes it through the rest of the way through, piercing the roof of its mouth. Your arms scream, from the sheer weight being forced down upon them, and your legs ache from the force being pushed against them, sinking you half way to your knees in the foul muck of the pass.

Then, a mirror breaks through the Dragon's right most eye, reflecting your snarling, wrathful visage beneath a thicker coating of crimson. Beneath it, more of that yellow green slime pours out, leaking out like pus from an infected boil. Silence falls, as the Magical beast is stunned its been so wounded yet again.

Then, with a cry that could shatter mountains, it lashes out. The only way you can avoid its claws is if you abandon your weapon. The trajectory of its strike is aiming towards your shoulder. Nothing vital is in danger, a glancing blow at worst, it will tear through the armor there and into the flesh beneath. From the momentum, you can guess it will not reach to your bone. An easily healed injury. Closing your eyes, you clear your mind and prepare for the pain.

Steel buckles, and then tears, chains snap and break, and flesh is gouged and rent apart. Three gashes atop your shoulder, burning with pain, screaming as if a thousand heated needles are nestled into your flesh. You do not utter a sound, and glare at the Toad dragon's one remaining eye as it glares down at you, its body coiled around you.

It is cackling, gripping your shoulder tighter as it tries to force the Guandao out of your hands by jerking its head up and down.
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>>4525005

You remain unmoved, merely glaring at it while you stand your ground defiantly.

The purifying flame of anger empties your mind, and washes away the pain coursing through your body.


What is your fourth move, Lieren?
> Slice through its face, removing its last eye
> Tightly grip its forepaw gripping your own shoulder, and with a twist, tear it from its socket
> Use your Guandao as a lever, and slam the Toad Dragon down to the earth
> Headbutt the beast, attempting to shatter its skull with your own
> Write in?
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>>4525007
> Tightly grip its forepaw gripping your own shoulder, and with a twist, tear it from its socket
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>>4525007
> Slice through its face, removing its last eye
Can’t wait to find one of these.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Psyber_Familiar
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>>4525015
>https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Psyber_Familiar
We're a Primarch, we can just commission one or make it ourselves.
Though I can't imagine we'll be finding anything badass enough to serve as our personal familiar any time soon.
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>>4525007
> Slice through its face, removing its last eye
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>>4524857
I agree, I kinda want to see what they're called when we meet them and what their paint scheme is. Most of the legions had different colors and a few had different names. I want to see what we're working with.
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>>4525007
>Write in?
Monkey Steals peach, or in this case a dragons eye.

It is within range, strike like lightning with your hand and pluck it's last eye from it's skull.
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>>4525053
+1
ZEN MASTERRRRR
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>>4525053
supporting, our legion's combat doctrine will be taught exclusively via farming metaphors.
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>>4525053
Supporting because meta reference:
>>4511115
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>>4525053
Supporting for absolute ball-busting
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>>4525007
>> Use your Guandao as a lever, and slam the Toad Dragon down to the earth
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Calling the vote and counting

Twist its paw off:1
Slice through its face:2
Monkey steals eye:5
Slam it to the ground:1

Writing the update
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>>4524845
Awesome work anon. We can probably explain away the different colour schemes as being Terran Legion/Post-Primarch/Post-Rangdan/Whatever big events we run into.

>>4524899
Definitely voting for the right.
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Anger you use as fuel, to fight off the grip the Toad Dragon has on your shoulder, keeping you from fully moving your left arm up. Its claws break off in your flesh as you harness all of your strength to move your arm beneath its vice grip. The claws snap off its paw with a loud crack, blood oozing both halves of them, dripping onto your armor and exposed skin.

The Magical beast, the lord of all rivers and mountains, rears back in pain, trying to understand where this fresh sensation of agony comes from. It would be half a breath before the creature discovers its injury and reacts, attack you once more. With your right hand, and arm, you hold your Guandao tightly, bracing it against your side as the soil is nowhere near solid enough to hold it, yourself and the Toad dragon aloft.

Every fiber of your muscles screams, you skin tingles and stings, sweat dripping down your forehead as you keep the massive monstrosity hoisted up in the air and keep it from fleeing or retreating away from you. Steel groans, the soil shifts and swirls from the movement of its long body. Water rises from the ground as it is compressed and squeezed of all moisture. Thunder crashes overhead like drums were being beaten in all eight of the heavenly courts. Lightning flashes, lighting the valley through fog and cloud. The ever present fog mingles with the creature's toxic breath, but both are banished from its mad thrashing.

You take a breath, and before the creature can understand exactly how you hurt it, or seek to take its pound of flesh from you in retaliation, your wounded left arm shoots up towards its third and final eye. So quickly do you move your limb, it cracks like a whip and whistles through the stagnant air like the Toad Dragon's own tail did moments ago.

Like a spear, your hand and arm drive through the black breath rising from the beast's lips, the leather covering your hand curling and tightening as it is befouled by merely coming into contact with such foulness. Like fangs, you drive your fingers into its wide, cloud white eye, digging the whole of your hand into its pupil. White is replaced with foggy pink and then usurped by vivid crimson as you blind the creature completely with one movement.

"Braaaaashhuuraaaaahdaaaaaardth!!" It wails, nearly lifting you from your feet as it tries to escape, but it is held in place, trapped by your Guandao piecing its "chin" and your hand stuck deep in its eye socket. A most unsettling texture meets your fingers, slimy, hot and a thick. The juices of its eye, swirling and flowing between your fingers, over your hand and against your nails.

Like Claws, you clench your hand into a fist, grabbing onto the nerves behind the eye, wrapping them around your wrist and hand like ropes of flesh. And then, steadying yourself against your weapon, with a mighty roar, you bloodily tear the eye from the Dragon's skull.
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>>4525140

It gives one last look of horror, hidden in a sea of crimson and scarlet, as you tear the nerves connecting it to the Monster's brain out. They snap one by one, tearing and ripping and leaving hanging strings of nerves and flesh hanging from the destroyed eye socket

Blood coats your arm, the eye's juices mingling and mixing with the deep red color, the foul combination turning into all the colors of autumn leaves. And, like a bracelet, the eye itself remains stuck to your arm, covering your wrist and oozing its unwholesome liquids onto you still. The Toad Dragon blindly lashes out, its spittle and bile splashing across your armor, making the steel run like melting wax as it is digested and corroded by its merest touch. Its claws rake over your bared chest, slicing through the armor their. Chains pop and plates of metal fly into the air, cut in twain and shattered.

Its razor sharp claws dig into your chest, not as deeply as your shoulder, but deep enough for the gashes to bleed you. Drops of crimson fall to the blackened soil of the pass. Your blood and the dragon's mingle with bile, acid, melted bones and liquid iron and the juices of everything else decaying in the sodden ground.

But still, you stand firm, and unmoving. Even as the beasts body coils closer and closer around you, restricting your movements, or as its claws rake and scrape over your armor trying to pry it from your body. Lighting falls, thunder crashes, wind howls, and rain dances around. Sighing, you let your last breath of air out of your puckered lips and begin to try and free your Guandao's blade from the bone it has caught on.

You are lightly injured, nothing serious, and its seems the bile can merely boil over your skin rather than digest it, as it can do to seemingly everything else mundane and natural. But breathing is hard, from all the choking fumes in the air, all the foulness and decay. It burns the lungs, stings they eyes and labors the breath. But you can endure it, as you can the stinging of the bile or the kiss of razor edged claws

It gnashes what is left of its teeth, unable to fully open its mouth with you weapon stuck in both halves of its jaw. It spews bile at you, washing it over your legs. Its trying to smother you in the vapors of its stomach and the foulness of its breath. A last, desperate gambit to at least drag you to hell with it.

But it shall learn, that to slay the sole scion of the primarchs under heaven is no easy task, but is rather an insurmountable challenge. And like so many men and beasts before it, this magical beast shall be torn asunder for merely stepping into your path, let alone attempting to kill the Great hunter of the wilds, The Giant of Yan, Lieren of nothing!
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>>4525144

Golden eyes blazing with determination and fury, your mind begins its work, plotting out the best course of action to take to end this monster that was once a man's miserable life. Thousands of thoughts run through your mind, ways to put the toad dragon down, variations that would be more efficient, and the quickest way to slaughter it from where you stand.

What is your fifth move in this battle, Lieren?
> Tear your weapon from its skull, and drive its blade deep into its skull
> Grabbing both of its jaws, brace your Guandao against its body, and then with all your might, begin to pull and tear it in two from its mouth down
>Snap the pole free of its blade and beat it to a pulp under a flurry of blow
> Using your Guandao as a lead, batter it against itself and the ground
> write in
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>>4525145
>>Snap the pole free of its blade and beat it to a pulp under a flurry of blow
>bo staff option
Bless you, QM
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>>4525145
>> Grabbing both of its jaws, brace your Guandao against its body, and then with all your might, begin to pull and tear it in two from its mouth down
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>>4525145
>> Grabbing both of its jaws, brace your Guandao against its body, and then with all your might, begin to pull and tear it in two from its mouth down
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>>4525145
>> Tear your weapon from its skull, and drive its blade deep into its skull
It is the most efficient, and the most respectful.

It may be a bastard, and it may be evil, but it used to be a human and gave us a good fight so it deserves a clean kill at the least.
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>>4525145
>>> Tear your weapon from its skull, and drive its blade deep into its skull


time to end this
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>>4525145
>> Tear your weapon from its skull, and drive its blade deep into its skull
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>> Tear your weapon from its skull, and drive its blade deep into its skull
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>>4525145
> Tear your weapon from its skull, and drive its blade deep into its skull
NOW THAT'S A LOTTA DAMAGE!
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>>4525145
> Tear your weapon from its skull, and drive its blade deep into its skull
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>>4525145
> Tear your weapon from its skull, and drive its blade deep into its skull
Breathe no more, monster.
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>>4525145
>remove blade and stab

I dont wanna break our shit. I like it too much
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>>4525145
>Tear your weapon from its skull, and drive its blade deep into its skull
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>>4525145
>Snap the pole free of its blade and beat it to a pulp under a flurry of blow

Its an eater of men. What it was is no longer really relevant, its going to die a twisted monster.
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>>4525145
> Tear your weapon from its skull, and drive its blade deep into its skull
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>>4525145
> Tear your weapon from its skull, and drive its blade deep into its skull
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>>4525263
It already breaking apart and our armor is fucked. No point in not breaking it at this point.
>Snap the pole free of its blade and beat it to a pulp under a flurry of blow
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>>4525145
> Grabbing both of its jaws, brace your Guandao against its body, and then with all your might, begin to pull and tear it in two from its mouth down
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>>4525145
> Tear your weapon from its skull, and drive its blade deep into its skull
Let's finish this
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Calling the vote, counting and writing the update

break your Guandao Beat the beast to a pulp with what's left3:
Rip it in half from its jaw down:3
Free your Guandao and stab it: 12

Lieren will end the battle with a final stab, efficient and clean(ish)
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>>4525387
We are so taking it's head to show our glory.
Maybe send it to Gao if we feel like intimidating him in the future.
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Calm in mind, you remain steadfast, keeping your slowly degrading weapon in place as you sate up at the beast driven further into animalistic madness from its wounds and the pain you've inflicted upon it. Dodging its attacks is now as easy as merely leaning one way or the other, as it lashes out blindling at nothing in the void of its vision. The only real threat it now poses to you is its acidic bile and noxious breath. Its Jaws have been deprived of there rotten teeth, five of its claws kick and grab at the air blindly. Even its fearsome scythe tail whips to and for in the air, desperately trying to swat at phantoms of your presense.

But simply because it has been gravely weakened and will bleed out if the battle remains in this stalemate, does not mean its harmless. It could still crush you under its weight, catch your scent or hear your footsteps, and once again launch into a furious assaults. It may be blind, but its claws and tail are still razor edged, and even without teeth, its jaws are crushing and cruel. Over confidence is the most deadly opponent one can face when cornering a deadly beast. It is in this limbo between sure victory and sure defeat, that you find the road forward.

In all honesty, it is one of the simplest methods of killing outside of strangulation, merely piercing through the skull and crushing the brain into a slurry of fats and neurons. But its the only way you can be sure to kill the Toad dragon with one final blow. It is no creature born of nature, at least it isn't now. Its a monstrosity, and where its heart, lungs, kidney or spleen may lie within its form, or if it even has such organs still or if it has duplicates of them are unknown to you. But every creature has a brain, a center to their nervous system, something that if it is destroyed the creature ceases to live.

And you just so happen to already be perfect poised to take advantage of this trait shared throughout all men and beasts. Standing right in front of its head, with three weaker portions of skull open to you. With its eyes torn out, there will be nothing to impede your killing strike, to slow its momentum and cause it stop before it can pierce the precise area of the brain to quickly end this abomination.

Stepping forward, you twist the iron pole of your Guandao, cutting and cracking bone to free it. The Toad dragon itself does the rest of the work, lifting its head as it tries to jerk away from you and to pull the piece of steel from its ruined eye. It succeeds, and so condemns itself to the fate you have planned for it. And like an injured animal, instead of retreating, to die in relative peace or fade away alone, it lashes out and fights to its last breath.

Claws fly towards you, but with your admittedly now much less lustrous weapon free again, you can easily bat them aside, not even needing to employ the "fish's tail" method you had used before.
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>>4525463

Simple brushing its desperate attacks away as it surges its long body around you, coiling around you more tightly. You only have five steps in any direction to move, and that is more than enough. Its tail whips and cracks down at you, trying to slice you in two or simply cripple you to make you an easier target. But the beast is blind, and weakening, and with you inhuman perception and reaction, you guard and parry every one of the whip like strikes by meeting the edge of the bone scythe with the flat of your Guandao's blade.

Its last, desperate attack will come soon, it is obvious it is throwing all its remaining strength in one last attempt to take you to hell with it. It coils its body over itself, rising high into the air. All the other attacks are just to try and distract you, and keep the Toad Dragon alerted to your location. So its last strike will have some chance to succeed. Once again showing the cleverness it inherited from that man it degenerated from.

And with one last spiteful, hateful wail, it comes falling towards you, like a falling tree, a tumbling boulder. Its trying to crush you again, with its thick skull. But it doesn't realize it is running right into the snare you've set for it. Its eye sockets have become deadly weak points in its skulls. All you will need to do, is wait for an opening and then drive your Guandao into its head and further still, through its mind and into its spine.

Facing its head, you lower your guard as its claws and tail stop harassing you. Pulling your Guandao back, sliding your hands further down the tarnished metal pole, you wait for it to come into range. It spews its breath and pile as it flies down the tower its made of its own flesh, no doubt sure you'll have no place to run from its final attack. And that's it's fatal mistake, it assumes you'll try to run after you have faced it head on for the duration of your battle with it.

Instead, watching its eyeless and screaming face rocket down towards you, you simply stand firm and stomp your foot still covered in its greave. the other has been completely eaten away by the bile you had stood in. A shame, it was good steel and fine leather.

So you wait with baited breath, for the last moment before it crashes into you and wraps its toothless maw around your legs to try and crush them and swallow the rest of you. It comes, its maw opened wide, spewing a cloud of black breath to try and blind you as it screams down upon you.

In response, you simply shoved your armored leg forward, stomping its lower jaw to the ground. It pushes you back, tearing a ditch into the soft dirt as it tries to bite down, to shatter your bones. But you do not give it the chance, swinging your Guandao into the air, twirling it once to clean it off blood and ichor and then finally taking it in both hands driving it down. Directly into the socket where the beast's third eye once sat.
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>>4525465

The bone inside splinters and breaks apart like rotten, water soaked wood.
The beast goes silent, its body tensing, its limbs twitching sporadically.


But you do not assume the creature to be dead with just that, and putting your left hand on the counterweight at the end of the Guandao's pole, slowly force the weapon deeper into the still monstrosities head. It gibberings, groans and sobs, twitches running down its carapace covered body, before it begins to shake and thrash violently. A final, foul smelling breath escapes its lips and the creature dies.

The bottom of your Guandao rises from its head, barely visible now. You pause, staring down at the Toad Dragon's empty expression as its tensed muscles relax, and its coils fall and slide off of each other. Rain pours down upon you, the wind still howls and thunder drums in the distance.

The beast is slain, and you are alone once more.

So you begin to discard your now worthless armor, prying the half melted plates and corroded chains from your body, tearing the pieces off your body one by one. Leaving your helmet and mask for last.

You toss them to the ground, as they have no more use, being too fouled by bile and acid to be salvageable. You'll have to make another set for yourself someday soon. Then, you take a few seconds to inspect your injuries. The slash across your chest will heal quickly, the three gouges in your shoulder will take longer and may even scar.
But you aren't sure if your body can scar, so it will be interesting to see.

You pluck the claws still caught in your flesh out one by one, and toss the, to the pile of your ruined armor. You stand, undressed except for a hardy cloth wrapped around your waist, bleeding and alone.

The pass is cleared, your greatest labor yet finished. and you fall to your back, taking deep, long breaths of the newly fresh air. it tastes so crisp and pure. It feels like ice to your abused throat and lungs. It is a welcome moment of reprieve, before you go back to you greater work, of building your road.

How do you proceed Lieren?
> Burn the toad dragon, something so foul cannot be allowed to exist
>Bury the beast before continuing, a monster it may have been, but a man it was
> Take a trophy from your fallen foe, and return to the village, leaving the rest for scavengers
> grab it by its horns, and drag it back to the fishing village, to announce your victory
> write in?
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>>4525467
>> Burn the toad dragon, something so foul cannot be allowed to exist
Maybe do something to honor the man it once was?
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>>4525467
> Burn the toad dragon, something so foul cannot be allowed to exist
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>>4525467
> Burn the toad dragon, something so foul cannot be allowed to exist
TAKE MEDICINE! When we the time make sure we take all the antibiotics we are aware of. The road dragon was a sick thing. We might be immune to it, but I do not know if we could potentially be a carrier. Like bats? Best to keep our distance for a week. I don't want to risk getting the dad deathly sick.
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>>4525471
Noooo. No that man fell to chaos. Theres no honoring that ass hat no more.
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>>4525482
We don't know that IC though? Or if it was even willingly done.
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>>4525487
Whatever honors it does deserve, would be the fact that it's killed thousands upon thousands of people. That's praise worthy. Beyond that fact alone no it's probably not worth it. It was a sick creature that needed to be put down.
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>>4525467
>Write in

Cut one of the claws and cleans it. Burn the rest. Then clear ourselves throughly and heal our wounds, while patching up what we can of our armor. When we are secure we have nothing foul of the beast on us, that the claw is nothing more than dead bone and that the rest of the dragon toad is cinder. We will do the following :

- Make a stone ossuary for the victims of the monster
- Make a small stone monument for celebrate the monster death
- Then return back to the village and show the dead claw. We will rest there for a few days and heal. Meanwhile while there we can craft another armor and repair our Guandao. We can aid the village while there, and improve the armor and weapons of our personal guard. Then we will return to our work.
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>>4525494
Can we burn the claw afterwards? I feel keeping the claw could result in corruption. Like how Fulgrim fell to a sword.
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>>4525497
Sure
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>>4525494
I'll support this, we need some proof of our deed.
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Qm consider the bruning of the claw after we have show it to the village people and our personal guard an addition to my post here.
>>4525494
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>>4525508
*burning
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>>4525494

support, and I support burning it afterwards too
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>>4525522
If we're gonna take a claw, why not take the tail one? That would destroy any disbelief of "it's just a fog panther claw"
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>>4525523
Seems like a good idea
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>>4525523
i agree
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>>4525523
this too
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>>4525467
>>4525481
This, nurgle daemons are no joke, clean the wounds with pure water and strong medicine, even if they don't do much physically, the conceptual value of Chinese/japanese "cleanising impurities with water, soap, and perfumes/medicine" along with a primarch believing/havimg faith that it will help, not much, but SOMETHING, it will wreck whatever chaos curse, poison, illness, etc that the monster left as a last fuck you. If there is no such a thing, at least we have aquired a healthy routine after fighting a foul beast, specially Chaos, and now are clean and smell good.
>>4525494
>>4525497
And this, we need some loot to prove that we killed the beast (aside of the superintense battle that probably was heard form the village and the beast vanishing into fine mist [YEEES, BAD PUUUNS]), but keeping anything remotely chaos without the Emperor's explicit approval can lead to corruption (we should bring this issue to father, specially if Fulgrim is present)
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>>4525481
Support
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>>4525467
> Burn the toad dragon, something so foul cannot be allowed to exist
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>>4525494
i support this option
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Supporting taking a tail claw as a trophy.

So, we should burn the nesting ground too along with the Toad Dragon's corpse. Cleans out a majority of the filth, allowing nature to recover faster (if it still is possible).
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>>4525467
>>4525494
>>4525540
Support
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>>4525467
> Burn the toad dragon, something so foul cannot be allowed to exist
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>>4525467
> Burn the toad dragon, something so foul cannot be allowed to exist
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>>4525494
Support, but burn it afterwards
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>>4525467
>Burn the toad dragon, something so foul cannot be allowed to exist
BURN EVERYTHING IN THIS LAIR, AND DON'T DARE TO TAKE A PRIZE. Remember what happened to fulgrim when he looted from chaos? I'd rather not see lieren spend the next 10 thousand years getting nurgle viruses shoved up his ass
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>>4525482
Falling to chaos doesn't make someone irredemable
Mortarian, for example, is still a relatively good person and is essentually a slave to nurgle
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>>4525870
this is a fair point.

>>4525467
Maybe we should burn it all.
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What happened to the eye? Is it still stuck?
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>>4525494
Pretty much this, but we should keep the thing at a distance. Just show it to the villagers to prove we killed the beast, then burn that shit. Burn everything. Burn the entire swamp, then burn it again, and then see if they can burn it a third. Wait some time too, just to be sure.

As for an reason why Lieren would do it, he's smart enough of a primarch to know that nothing good comes out of a swamp where an beast with a breath so bad it melts steel lived.

Literally just burn everything, get rid of the swamp, it has to burn
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>>4525896
I’m against putting that much effort into burning a fucking swamp.
> he's smart enough of a primarch to know that nothing good comes out of a swamp where an beast with a breath so bad it melts steel lived.
This seems more like intense metagaming than anything remotely IC.
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>>4525917
Anon, we know it was a man. And we know it turned into an foul beast whose bile melts steel.

Would you really skimp out on security from ensuring whatever the fuck that thing was and it's vile things don't continue to exist?
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>>4525467
>>Burn the toad dragon, something so foul cannot be allowed to exist
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>>4525467
> Burn the toad dragon, something so foul cannot be allowed to exist
I don't believe Lieren would be so foolish as to bring anything as nasty as a part of that thing back for any reasons. Even its vapors have affected him.
And that's regardless of any metagaming or whatever.

And he doesn't need to bring any proof of the fact of slaying the creature save for his own word of committing it. It wasn't done for glory.
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>>4525494
Support, but burn the claw after we've shown it to the village.
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>>4525936
You underestimate the power of symbols, especially the hope that can come of proving the unkillable is finally dead and that they need not fear going into the swamps to work.

the morale boost would be immense
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>>4525924
>Anon, we know it was a man. And we know it turned into an foul beast whose bile melts steel.
And we’re a giant demigod that fell from the sky. So what?
>Would you really skimp out on security from ensuring whatever the fuck that thing was and it's vile things don't continue to exist?
As far well know the problem was solved when it died. The only reasonable thing we could do beyond that is burn the body.
>>4525944
This is correct. Belief in something being powerful makes it powerful in 40k.
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>>4525944
Burning down it's nest and bone hill will be enough, combined with our obvious wounds and damaged guandao. We should cleanse this world of all that creature's taint, lest it spread by our hand
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>>4525982
If it was as powerful as you act like it is then it would have taken over the planet by now. The daemons of 30k are vastly weaker than 40k daemons. Don’t try to act like that’s what we are going up against.
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>>4525982
Burning the nest and bone hill isn't enough, since it isn't proof the creature is dead by our hands.
The rest can be self inflicted.

People will naturally believe us, we are a primarch after all, but the symbol is what is important.
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>>4525972
>So what
the monster is evil
>As far well know the problem was solved when it died.
It lived in that swamp with it's weird bile and bones for god knows how much time, imagine the state of the place. The swamp has to burn.
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>>4526016
>the monster is evil
So?
>It lived in that swamp with it's weird bile and bones for god knows how much time, imagine the state of the place. The swamp has to burn.
So? A swamp is a place of decay, nothing to really suggest the land is Chaos corrupted and if it is FIRE WILL DO NOTHING.
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>>4526025
>So?
It has to be burnt.
>FIRE WILL DO NOTHING
Wrong, it's not about purification, it's about erasing every single possibly droplet of vile bile and part that the monster may have left on the swamp. The only way to be safe is to burn it.
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>>4526025
>FIRE WILL DO NOTHING
With wenough belief behind it it will
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>>4526025
Actually, fire works against chaos, specially Nurgle, because has been one of the first and most effective weapons of mankind, and used since time immemorial to clenease and seal wounds, burn corpses afflicted by plagues and fight "evil" (burning witches, heretics, dark tomes of knowledge, etc). I think you are mistaking residual taint from a chaos spawn/daemon, with active corruption. Also the swamp is ugly, full of vile shit and unfit for anything productive, so just burn it in a controlled way without "glorifying in the wonders of the powerful flames" or some shit that could develop into a character flaw
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>>4526086
>that could develop into a character flaw
I mean, vulkan turned out pretty okay, and none of the salamanders are worshipping their flammers, so it can't be that bad, right?
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>>4526091
Yeah, but Vulkan's pyromania is something he doesn't even realize, even when his brothers point out the irony in banning certain weapons from his space marine as being too cruel while also using so much fucking fire.
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>>4526091
>vulkan turned out pretty okay
>it can't be that bad, right?
*laughs in charred child corpses*
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>>4526056
You do know the reason nobody commits Exterminatus on a daemon world is because conventional weapons don't work thus there is a point where fire is no longer effective. Fortunately Chaos is losing power in pre-HH so any corruption should fade away on its own and we don't have babysit this patch of land like you want.
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>>4526131
Vulkan is a good boy and I will hear nothing else.
Not that I could over the sound of the civilians moaning in agony.
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>>4526131
I still don't understand that, actually. Caldera, that is.

I remember reading that he burned the planet because they worshipped eldar exodites, but i've also read that he burned it because there were eldar but that he only found out they had liberated the humans after he had already purged them.

I still don't know which one happened.
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>>4526144
The latter, I believe. He also just saw a remembrancer he was fond of get shot, latter finding out it was friendly fire.
When in doubt about something that happened in HH/40k lore, chances are the most grimdark option is correct.
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>>4526141
Those are eldar civilians, they don't count
>>4526140
Extermanatis doesn't have the cultural belief that fire does for cleansing the impure. It's the same reason swords work better than guns against demons, they've got more psychic power behind them
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>>4526147
Well, i don't know what would be the most grimdark, vulkan burning an entire planet because they worshipped aliens or burning an entire planet just to find out he later should not have.
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>>4526154
If I told a guardsmen his lasgun was a personal piece from the Emperor's own armory, would his ensuing overconfidence in the efficacy of the weapon make it actually do more damage against demons?
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>>4526154
>>4526164
wrong guy, meant for >>4526150
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>>4526164
One man's belief isn't enough, but fire's been man's go to cleaning agent for 30k years
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>>4526169
*1.7 million years. Forgot about prehistory
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>>4526169
I'd prefer it more if it was lemon scented.
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>>4526164
If you paint it golden, then give it to a primach with a really big army that hears about it? It would probably permakill the Daemon or cause him a fuck ton of damage out of sheer psy resonance into the warp. But a wardsmen alone wold only sting the daemon a little mor or hurt it if it is a minor one and the guardsmen is an ultrafanatical follower of the Echlesiarchy. That's why orks are so bullshit,, you don't need billions to warp reality with belief, just a hundred or a thousand, and it gets worst the more orks there is in the WAAGH
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>>4526177
Indeed, but smoke being lemon scented is normally clear indication of either a chemical leak or chaos
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>>4526194
Or that you have lemon-scented napalm. I mean, is that really so unbelievable in an universe with laser guns and skyscraper sized battlebots?
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>>4526140
Dawmon worlds are worlds fully lost to chaos, it would take a draigo tier faith cock to unfuck them. Luckly, this is not yet a daemon world, and chaos is weaker, so lesser means such as fire should prove effective as a cleansing agent. After all, fire is so popular among the imperium because of it's noted effectiveness against the heretical
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do people really think the holy fire can not be useful in purging the vile swamp area of nurgle?

HERESY!
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>>4526216
I like to imagine Lieren and Vulkan are on complete opposite sides of the spectrum as to the importance of fire in purging heretics, but would otherwise be great friends.
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>>4526309
...I'm more talking about the land corruption than the people desu.
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>>4526311
>...I'm more talking about the land corruption than the people desu.
They both get dealt with in the same way I feel. That way being extreme prejudice.
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>>4526311
...why the fuck did To Be Honest shorthand turned into desu?
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there's a word filter since people spammed it a while back
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Calling the vote

BURN:19
Take a claw, inter the bones, make a monument, return to village:9

Okay, So since people have raised concerns of bringing proof back to the village, I'll say it out right, that after you burn the thing, nothing left of its skeleton will be contagious, corruptive, infectious or cursed.

The foulness of the creature was in its flesh and insides, which is why the deadliest part of it was its breath and bile. Any nastiness that spread its claws/ tail blade will be clean off by burning most of it to ash.

Figured I'd say that BEFORE I write the update. So no one thinks Lieren went a doomed a village or anything. He a clever boy and would take precautions.

As per my rules, with 1 vote less than half, the big write in will be combined. I just figured I'd first explain that by doing it, Lieren wasn't spreading a plague or corruption or anything.

So Lieren will put the dead of the pass to rest, Burn the fucking abomination, put up a stone so future generations will know the Toad Dragon no longer haunts the night, and bring back proof it is dead, so workers won't be scared to enter the pass to continue building the road

And then destroy said proof for good measure, just in case it holds a grudge or something. Probably by shoving it in his forge and incinerating it.

Writing the update now.
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>>4526447
>Probably by shoving it in his forge and incinerating it
I'm sure it'll make decent fuel for our next set of armor.
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>>4526488
FUCK YEAH MONSTER HUNTER TIER ARMOR
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>>4526494
>anons want to make armor with bits of nurgle daemon
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>>4526497
I want to incinerate and completely destroy the thing in as symbolic a way as possible.
This victory only strengthened us, in turn, this trophy from the beast will only serve to fuel our further efforts.
I understand the dangers of Chaos, Nurgle in particular, but what better way to make sure something is purified than a forge that's probably getting close to 3000°F?
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You lay in the muck, mud sticking to your back and thighs as you rest and catch your breath, purifying your lungs of the foul breath of the slain Toad Dragon. The newly clean air tastes of blood and the scent of decaying leaves and wood. It is still a somewhat disgusting taste, but it is no longer "Wrong". It is pure enough to clean away the linger taint of the creature. The rain splatters over your wounded chest, watering down the crimson streams there and causing them to streak and flow freely. After a minute or two of rest, you find you are once again breathing freely and properly, no longer choking on the air and your own pained throat. Hoping back to your feet, you go to work.

Retrieving the Guandao from the beasts skull, you toss it to the ground so the rain may wash it clean. Its Mirror like finish has been replaced with dark tarnish and stains of grease, its luster stolen by the dead beast's bile when it had bitten down into its steel. It is, still useable, however, unlike your armor. The polish you used must've given it a layer of protection unlike the rest of the steel. Before you set about to work, you roll your shoulders and stretch your limbs, to ease the strain this battle has placed upon them. Then, climbing over the still form of the foul dragon, you begin to gather what kindling and fuel you can find in the valley. To build a pyre to remove the Lord of all Rivers and Mountains Taint from the world.

Once it may have been a man, but it had become a beast that had slain and devoured an untold tally of men and beast, and transformed into something too foul to allow to continue to exist upon Shangrala, even as a corpse or pile of bones. You could use bones to help supplement the scarce wood and dried bushes you'll use to build the fire, but it would be disrespectful to the dead to do such a thing. They had, in death wounded the beast, and covered it in a hide of aged weapons and small wounds. While it may have done nothing to slow the beast in its final battle, it proved their valor, their bravery. Virtues in your eyes, and they deserved better than to be reduced to ashes.

For them, with what stone remains, you shall build a shared ossuary for those, who without inhuman strength, unnatural reflexes or heavenly perception, faced a magical beast so terrible it had remained a tyrant in a pass cutting through the heartland of the land's of Gao. For them you would build their tomb into a monument, announcing and celebrating the death of the dreadful dragon to all. So future generations will know to no longer fear the nights, and to remove any lingering superstitions within the pass. To kill the ghost the beast will leave behind in the shared memory of the people. No, instead of a fear lair of a monster, a place of sorrow and terror.

It shall become a site of triumph, of valor and heroism and not only yours, but the men who died and sacrificed themselves to try and slay the beast before you.
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>>4526516
It shall be a monument to them, rather than vanity.

What bones that remain in the pass, are shattered and scattered, in too many pieces to reconstruct. And no doubt there are many more buried in the mud or otherwise lost, but no matter, you gather as many as you're able to find. And dragging the greatest of boulders you can find standing above the muck, build a makeshift ossuary along the future path of the road, formed of rough slabs and topped with a stone too rounded to be of use in its construction. Inside lay the remains of thousands and more, all that remains of their earthly forms. It is almost the size of a proper shrine in its entirety, and it needed to be, to inter all of the dead of the pass.

Falling to your knees, you bow to the ground to offer your praise to these long dead men, before standing, setting your Ruined armor before the standing tomb as an offering and reminder to what happened here. Then, you go about gathering any usable wood and foliage to use in incinerating the Toad Dragon's body, to reduce it to ash, forgotten and banished from this world. No longer to befoul this pass and the lands that surrounded it.

This labor is much easier, as the creature had wrapped its body into one location, so you do not need to move or drag it to a site to properly burn it. Instead you toss the tinder and the kindling into a great pile in the center of its wrapped body, piling it high with further fuel and accelerants you can find in nature.

And then, using your Guandao as iron and the beasts own tail as a flint, you set it ablaze. Standing by the tomb of the valiant dead, you watch the purifying flames consume the once great beast, consuming it entirely in a bon fire that can be see for miles. Its heat is so great, even as distant from the corpse as you are, it warps and bends the very stone of the tomb, sealing it in place forever more. its burns hotter than your own forge, fed by the sickening greases and fat of the monster to burn much more intensely than it should.

The air it self waves and distorts from sheer temperature of the blaze, boiling the marshes water and cooking the bile that remains. Black smoke rises, and slowly turns white as the monster's body incinerated and turned to naught but ash on the winds, and a few bones too stubborn to burn fully.

Among them is the scythe like blade of your tail. Walking through the embers towards it, enduring the lingering heat, you pull it from the blackened spine it was still attached to. The tail bones break into dust as you lift up the soot and ash covered blade. If the fire and monument are not proof enough for superstitious minds and skeptical souls, a piece of the legend removed from the rest should suffice to silence any lingering doubts that the Toad Dragon still lives.
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>>4526517
(Recovered excerpt from the Shangralan folk story Translated to high gothic "The Giant of golden eyes who came from the heavens, bringing prosperity and benevolence)

...It is said the battle between the two lasted eight days and eight nights, as that which came from the heavens that which crawled from hell. The Giant faced the Toad Dragon in its own manor, armed with naught but what birth had gifted him, unclothed and armed, he strode bravely into the monstrous lords palace, hair of Iron chiming with every step her took. The vengeful dead and lost souls trapped within, hearing his musical approach, formed rank around him, protecting the noble son of heaven from the multitude of curse and poisons hanging in the air of the decadent beasts court. Its servants, many and great, attempted to drag the noble soul to the ground, to burry him with the bones of those who had came before him to stop the monster's Tyranny.

But such was his strength and character, that each attempt to lead him astray or wound him were ignored or bested. And so, with ghosts and memories of the past alone as his companions, the great child of the wilds sought out the lord of all rivers and mountains, to put an end to his centuries long reign of terror.

Seeking an audience, wise Lieren tricked the Dragon into accepting a bargain, if he could best it in combat, it would burn in its manor, with all its kin and work. And if he was bested, he would become its servant for all time. Laughing, the foul devil accepted such a bargain, unafraid of the unclothed man before him, and dressed himself in armor forged of his own spite and vileness, armed with a scythe tipped whip.

In the courtyard, the battle began, that would last a week in its entirety. Surrounded by degenerated servants who had once been men, the puppet corpses of all former challenges to the Toad Dragon's rule and all of the tyrant beasts lesser kin, the two did so battle. Lieren, fought fairly, with only his guile, natural agility and strength at his side, taking no weapons even now, he faced the devil lord with his hands and mind alone. The Devil lord, ever the foul trickster, brought every cheat and deception it had learned in its eons long life.

Poison coated daggers, vials of acid so corrosive they'd eat from flesh to the soul itself, free flowing mud. And as these tricks failed to stop the Giant's tireless assaults and dance. the Toad Dragon turned itself into a great snake, even larger than the heavenly child himself. The foul tyrant, tried to swallow the giant whole in desperation, wrapping its body around the great hunter to try and squeeze the fighting spirit from him before it devoured him.

In response, and taking the knowledge he had learned from his trusted companion, Jinhai born of the sea, Lieren used the magic in his blood to become a carp and wriggle out of the dragons crushing grip.
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>>4526519

Turning back to his true self, he took the monster's neck into one of his great hands, and with the other, plucked all three of its eyes out one by one. Having thus punished his foe for his trickery, he drove a single finger into his skull, ending his life and reign.

His kin tried to fight back, and for their treachery in breaking an agreement with a scion of the heavenly courts, were so immolated in purifying fire, which burned for seven seasons, the fires of their pyre glowing so bright, the fog itself retreated to its cave for those seven seasons.

And true to his words, Lieren dug a grave for each of the men, women and children executed by the tyrant beast, instructed by his teacher wise Guozhi of a hundred lives on how to properly put to rest their souls and grudges....
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How troublesome, the village has insisted in throwing a celebration for your victory upon your return, seeing you carrying the storied blade of the Toad Dragon as a common dagger. it was bothersome enough to be rushed and crowded by them, and you could stand your men rushing to cry out their joy at you coming back to them alive. Fat Chen especially crying his heart out at seeing you again.

Jinhai kept his composure and merely asked how you accomplished such a feet. Rong on the other hand suggested the celebration. And now further work on the road would be delayed. But it was good the workers and fish men had something to celebrate, and it was good your men mingled with the common folk so easily, and joined them in the festivities. There was no grand feast, or huge display.

Merely dried fish and strong liquor, songs and stories of your battle being sung, mutating with each retelling. It made you wonder, what tales they'd tell of you a when you have departed from this material world?

"I can tell you're upset, my brother" Zian says quietly as he walks into your work shop, Jinhai and another guard standing at attention at his arrival "Delays in the construction of the great road always brings you to a foul temper"

"I wouldn't call it temper, it is merely displeasure in having to wait to return to my work" You sigh heavily, shaking your head as you toss the bone blade with the rest of the furnaces fuel "A few more days until the lands of Gao are fully connected, while not a great time, is long enough for children to starve and who knows what set backs we'll encounter now, in our great labor together"

"I agree, but the men need to let their joy free, lest they grow restless, and the villagers need something to celebrate after a lifetime of suffering" Zian says as he turns to Jinhai "I am surprised you have no joined your fellows, young Jinhai"|

"I agree with Brother Lieren, our time has more important uses than celebrating, I shall train instead and guard our brother, for that is how I show my gratitude" Jinhai answers with a laugh, sharpening his spear as he watches you work "Besides, I've seen enough "festivities" in Gao's palace to last a life time"
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>>4526519

"This is a different sort of party" Zian says, his words slurred as always by his disfigurement "but I understand what your words mean, young Jinhai"

"Let them celebrate at least, we'll begin building the road again after they're done" You say warmly, smiling a wide grin as you turn to Zian, each would filled with sweet kindness "Let them enjoy what little they have for now"

"Understood"

And with that, Zian leaves you to your work in the forge.

From your calculations, it would take until winter or spring to complete the great road, and longer to properly light it and defend it with manned outposts, forts and towers. But it would be done, and far sooner than any other administrator could hope for, and actually complete, which none but one as wise and strong as yourself could even hope to see done in their lifetimes, let alone a mere two years heading into three.

As your great road nears its completion, what do you do Lieren?
> Return to Gao and offer to give him a tour of his own lands
> Travel into the lands neighboring that of Gao, and entreat with the lord their to allow you to continue your work, further into the kingdom of Yan
> Make sure the forts, outposts, watch towers and specifically the shelter areas, are staffed by men loyal to you, from the villages you've saved, brothers of panthers and some of your guards
> Begin to gather resources to begin creating the wonders you saw in the mechanical egg you came from
> write in

>>4526497
the one time a frog has made me laugh
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>>4526522
> Make sure the forts, outposts, watch towers and specifically the shelter areas, are staffed by men loyal to you, from the villages you've saved, brothers of panthers and some of your guards
IT BEGINS
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>>4526522
> Make sure the forts, outposts, watch towers and specifically the shelter areas, are staffed by men loyal to you, from the villages you've saved, brothers of panthers and some of your guards
> Begin to gather resources to begin creating the wonders you saw in the mechanical egg you came from

No reason not to do both
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>>4526522
> Make sure the forts, outposts, watch towers and specifically the shelter areas, are staffed by men loyal to you, from the villages you've saved, brothers of panthers and some of your guards
> Begin to gather resources to begin creating the wonders you saw in the mechanical egg you came from

Finally off my month ban.
Screams internally
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>>4526522
> Make sure the forts, outposts, watch towers and specifically the shelter areas, are staffed by men loyal to you, from the villages you've saved, brothers of panthers and some of your guards
> Begin to gather resources to begin creating the wonders you saw in the mechanical egg you came from
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>>4526522
>> Make sure the forts, outposts, watch towers and specifically the shelter areas, are staffed by men loyal to you, from the villages you've saved, brothers of panthers and some of your guards
>> Begin to gather resources to begin creating the wonders you saw in the mechanical egg you came from
A mostly diplomatic takeover of Yan is much easier when we've assumed Gao's rule.
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>>4526522
> Make sure the forts, outposts, watch towers and specifically the shelter areas, are staffed by men loyal to you, from the villages you've saved, brothers of panthers and some of your guards
> Begin to gather resources to begin creating the wonders you saw in the mechanical egg you came from
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>>4526522
> Make sure the forts, outposts, watch towers and specifically the shelter areas, are staffed by men loyal to you, from the villages you've saved, brothers of panthers and some of your guards
> Begin to gather resources to begin creating the wonders you saw in the mechanical egg you came from
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>>4526543
Support.

After we've done that, we should really get to work making hard crops that will survive and grow in any season. Such a thing will pay dividends in the future as both bargaining chip and supply for our armies.
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>>4526522
wait. qm. What about the food? The crops?

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>>4526675
long term wise should we worry about the crops as well? Gao is a greedy shit and his "generosity" is finite.
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>>4526679
I did say about the crops. Not just because Gao is a greedy bastard, but also because it can more easily prevent more famines
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>>4526679
hmmm thats a good point, we could make this planet into a Tech-Agri world
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>>4526679
he among many others should be still stupefied at the road project swift and efficient completion and by the dragon toad death. In fact there is a great possibility, that he will give us some additional things. Plus the security and wonders we will create, should encourage peasants to expand their fields. And they should be fine for supplies, with all the ones we are sending them.
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So doing it for next turn should be fine
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>>4526522
> Make sure the forts, outposts, watch towers and specifically the shelter areas, are staffed by men loyal to you, from the villages you've saved, brothers of panthers and some of your guards
> Begin to gather resources to begin creating the wonders you saw in the mechanical egg you came from
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>>4526522
> Make sure the forts, outposts, watch towers and specifically the shelter areas, are staffed by men loyal to you, from the villages you've saved, brothers of panthers and some of your guards
> Begin to gather resources to begin creating the wonders you saw in the mechanical egg you came from
While our farms are far from perfect, they're still in working condition, and with these roads labor becomes easier to get ahold of for those villages with not enough manpower to sow all their fields.

By doing this, by ensuring the troops are loyal, we basically ensure that an takeover would be much more bloodless.
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>>4526522
> Make sure the forts, outposts, watch towers and specifically the shelter areas, are staffed by men loyal to you, from the villages you've saved, brothers of panthers and some of your guards
> Begin to gather resources to begin creating the wonders you saw in the mechanical egg you came from
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>>4526543
Supporting + hardier crops
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>>4526818
Huh, that's a thought. We can develop the crops alongside our gunpowder weapons and roll them out simultaneously. Use the crops as a cover for our armourments.
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>>4526820
How do you develop crops? Breeding takes time, it is a gradual process that requires going through generations of harvests (time).

Improving farming techniques and conditions will offer earlier results.

>>4526522
> Make sure the forts, outposts, watch towers and specifically the shelter areas, are staffed by men loyal to you, from the villages you've saved, brothers of panthers and some of your guards
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>>4526522
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>>4526834
I saw > Sustainable sources of food, that can be grown even in the harshest winter or summers As developing/discovering new forms of grain and rice which were hardier.

Maybe I'm just retarded, but that's what I saw
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>>4526846
Sorry, it is more of a question for the QM. The pod may have data but that's a lengthy project.
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>>4526522
>> Begin to gather resources to begin creating the wonders you saw in the mechanical egg you came from
What is with all the double voting lol, I believe we can only pick one.
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>>4526522
>>4526585
If we can, finish learning all the info the egg had to offer (if we havent alredy) and develop better farming techniques and tools and maybe better crops. The farming tools would give us an excuse to build forges en mass and between the road, the farming reform and the increased crops, we'll have all the reasons to:
1.- Send our loyal men form the outposts to educate the population in our ways (of farming and political), or even go ourselves if possible.
2.- Send a massive ammount of resources to all the villages, which can include weapons for the "local militias to effectively defend Great Lord Gao's propierty with a minimal workforce reduction".
3.- Stablish a permanent communication network among the outposts, with Nothing as a cemter of command.
Basically stablish the MC as the most powerful force in the region without anyone outside of our cause taking notice (they'll think, if the subordinate is this formidable, what kind of person is Gao? And then, after doing some research into the political climate and structure of yan and making sure our plan will succeed, we put a puppet ruler in Gao's throne and increase the scale of our plans to do the same with the other nobles and the emperor of yan)
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>>4526969
I think that, if we can justify the reasons why we picked two, the options are not incompatible, and we give a reasonable way for a Primarch to do them in a year, we can select several, but not those that would count as a mayor action (duration of a year+), like building the road and killing the Toad
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>>4526981
Lke have the men in the forts pull double duty as resource collectors? Or have our portion of tithes in materials for the greater use?
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>>4526981
For example:
> Make sure the posts outposts, watch towers and specifically the shelter areas, are staffed by men loyal to you, from the villages you've saved, brothers of panthers and some of your guards.
This can be done in less than a month, a few speechs for recruitment in the main villages and then let our loyal recruiters ride the wave of our popularity.
> Begin to gather resources to begin creating the wonders you saw in the mechanical egg you came from.
First we reserch the whole farming stuff, then, between the flux of resources needed to upgrade all the villages, move the men between outposts and the ease of trade, we take some aside for our "personal proyects to further develop the villages". To Gao, it seems that we are getting some resources for our vices, wich reinforces his image of the "hero of the people" being a facade. If he gets angry about Lienen "stealing" his resources, we just show him some of the new (non warfare) inventions we made with said resources and tilt our head innocently.
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how many decades until dad shows up?
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>>4527025
Along with this question I wonder if we'll have any problems with dad..
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>>4527025
we've gone through 3-4 years here, which if we assume is terran standard, we also don't know how long we've been in the warp making any and all guestimates unreliable.
BUT

Horus must be found first, and he was found M30. 805, 65 years post the start of the primarch project and 55 years after the first founding.
Leman russ is found next, at M30 807 and 3 years after Ferrus manus is found in M30 810.

A forgotten primarch is found in between Leman and Feruss, so we could be there, found circa M30 808.
Or we can be found in between Corvus Corax [M30 945-949] and the space wolves eradication of the deleted legions [M30 969].

If we assume we are the third found and the marines were just taking luna when we set down, the date is 793 and we have roughly 15 years.
But all primarchs barring angron are rulers of their planets when the emperor comes to meet them, so the actual answer is "When we've conquered Shangrila and not before"
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>>4527041
The "conquer shangrala" part is going to get much, much easier once we are able to develop an army.

Like, not a bunch of guards, but an army - it doesn't need to be that big, because we can go full alexander the great once we have our army.

Really, i reckon that once we take gao's lands things will snowball real fast.
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>>4527055
>it doesn't need to be that big, because we can go full alexander the great once we have our army.
Alexander the Great *with* eventual technological superiority over most of the forces on the planet.
That 'snowball' you mentioned is going to turn into an avalanche real fucking fast, I should think
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>>4527041
Lexicanum says that the 3rd primarch discovered was the 2nd.
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>>4527075
We are the second, I forgot that, so yeah, assuming my original assumption of them currently conquering Luna when we landed, we have a decade and a half.
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>>4526522
>> Make sure the forts, outposts, watch towers and specifically the shelter areas, are staffed by men loyal to you, from the villages you've saved, brothers of panthers and some of your guards
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>>4526522
>> Begin to gather resources to begin creating the wonders you saw in the mechanical egg you came from
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So when does Gao commit suicide with a knife to the back?
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>>4527115
When we're ready. Maybe.
I dunno actually. I feel like assassnation isn't a fantastic method of victory.
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Think it might be a good idea to focus on the farming machines of the wonders of the pod? Guns are certainly strong, but the agricultural revolution was fucking explosive with population and even lower tier stuff allows for one farmer to do a lot more and thereby get us more freed up for an army.
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>>4527136
Gao has 1.1k personal soldiers plus his walled estate. Killing them with the rest of the population of country is going to be easy with guns plus a sneak attack that lets us into his gate without trouble is easy as pie.
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>>4527141
I'm certain we could get Gao before the agricultural revolution goes full swing. The agricultural revolution is for replenishing soldiers during the campaigns to conquer the rest of the world as we turn a couple surviving kids into an over 90% survival rating causing families to have 8-10 kids surviving to adulthood when they were having only 2-4.
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>>4527157
That'd require an exponential increase of resources to feed our peoples. Which in turn means we need to conquer more which is all fine and good until we have got it all. Then it's a problem.

Maybe set a "3 children" limit?
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>>4527171
This is peak CCP stuff right here.
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>>4527173
I feel an intense desire to clean myself at hearing that. but all the same, gotta figure out how to deal with over population while it stabalises.
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>>4527171
...you do realize we are operating in a medieval society, right? We're not going to see Africa/China's issues of rapid modernization in the modern world, but Europe during the industrial/agricultural revolution.

Though what the hell do you think the agricultural revolution even is if you are not thinking there'd *not* be an exponential increase in food as well? Seriously, we got a shitload more food in the modern day even with the % of farmers dropping from 60-80% to like 2%.
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>>4527185
For Agricultural revolution, I expect 4 apples where before we got 1, while getting 8 people where before we got 1. So I'm expecting a shortage of food in about 20 or so years when the kids have kids with this boom
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>>4527195
And of another point, partly out of personal philosophy, partly out of the eastern asthetic and practicality, we should probably disincentive rearing any animals that don't produce things like milk or wool and are only reared for their meat.

It's both cost inefficient and actively harmful to our world. It's also creating needless death [for the Buddhist angle]
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>>4527195
Anons you do realize the the Heavy fog messes with agriculture too? Maybe we could find out where this fog comes from.
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>>4527214
We know where it comes from, Archeotech from the DAOT. I highly doubt that the machine itself is still going, given it was a terraforming device.
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>>4527218
Reverse Engineer device? turn it back on and eliminate the fog once and for all?
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We only have a decade and a half if that guy was right, so I dont think agriculture should be priority over weapons rn
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>>4527228
That's both not certain to work, or even certain that the device is still on the planet.
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>>4527230
Burn a fire so bright that all fog dies?
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>>4527232
I'm not going to dignify that with a response, but I'd suggest you look up what fog is and does.

The fact of the matter is we are probably just gonna have to deal with it. So the answer is to make plants that thrive in the high humidity
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>>4527229
Warpfuckery is a thing though. So time is a matter of “whenever the plot demands”.
>>4527210
Fun fact about Buddhism is that the ban on eating flesh varies depending on the tradition. Tibetan, Japanese, and Theravadan traditions all allow the eating of meat.
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>>4527295
Fair enough, but still, if meat is their only purpose then they are terribly inefficient. So really, rams and wooly cows are the peak animals to be allowed to survive.
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>>4527218
Do we know that? It could just be part of the topography of this world, a major stereotype of China is their cloud forests and worlds in 40k tend to be monoclimates
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>>4527305

From >>4510984
>The ever present fog, birthed from forgotten Archeotech from humanity's greatest age, parted and swallowed up the comet, but such was its incandescence, that it lit the valleys and banished away the shroud that had covered them for millennium.
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>>4527319
Huh, guess it's some terraforming device. I don't think we really need to turn it off, fog is pretty good for farming. Changing the climate too dramatically would disrupt a lot of peoples' lives
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Hope there are oceans to sail.
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>>4527340
>sailing in 24/7 fog with medieval tech
good joke
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>>4527359
>Sailing in 24/7 with iron-clad ships and actually decent navigation equipment
ftfy
Lieren takes no half-measures.
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>>4527371
Sail where? The permafog makes going away from the coast a death sentence, so there's not going to be any big port cities or trade routes.

There's nothing worth fighting over in the sea.
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Then we must do something about the fog or make it so it will not hinder us.

something for the future regardless.
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>>4527388
I don't think we can, i mean we can certainly introduce technology that will make moving in the fog easy, but removing the fog would fuck up the planet's biosphere completely.

Remember that this machine's been running for god knows how many millenia.
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Regarding the fog: its limited to low laying areas of land, so tall fruiting trees and hill farming should be viable. I imagine we can probably find some higher land elevations to convert into arrable land, probably around volcanos.

Anywhere that has a "source" of the fog is likely to be a temple or holy site we can visit on our global trott.

In regards to limiting diets: Don't. Not until we can reliably replace the nutrients by expanding the food types available. One common thing amoung vegans in the west is those raised as vegans have to take dietary supliments to make up for nutrient deficiencys (iron as a big example). Trying that in a medievil world is just a recipe for mass disease from vitamin/other deficiencys.

Im sure a lot of vegan cultures like some hindu sects have good replacements, but we have no idea if this world has suitable replacements. Leave it be for now.
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>>4527388
It hasn't hindered us at all so far. And this road is about removing what hinderance it has presented at all to the common man.

But yeah, it's probably best to ignore it for now. Hmm....When we take over, I feel like we should try and expand the giants road across the mainland.
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>>4527390
We can probably get something akin to an atmospheric static fence developed in the long run to hold the fog out of certain areas to open up more arable land.
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>>4527303
Even in 40K there are massive animal farms, in agriworlds, but still... is not like we have another world to put the animals and plants in. Humans need meat, we need it for our muscles and other tissue to not degenerate from lack of protein. There is probably a way to substitute it with hyperefficient, extra-tasty space plants, but right now, in a medieval society, meat is a must. And the whole "partly out of personal philosophy, partly out of the eastern asthetic and practicality" thing, I think that Lieren "Heavenly Hunter that Hunts" [Last name pending] has no qualms, philosophical or otherwhise, about killing animals and feeding the people with their meat.
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>>4527391
If we can find a good replacement that's easy to produce, then I'd say lets go for it as soon as possible so that our requirements from animals as food are lessened and it's easier to move away from it.

>>4527394
Of course he doesn't. But even when he first got out of the pod, he recognised that hunting wasn't the most sustainable source of food. If there is a better [read, produces more food without any negative effects on his people] option he'd take it.
The "Personal philosophy" part was my personal philosophy.
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>>4527406
Why not embrace the Buddhist concept of impermanence if you want Buddhist philosophy?
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>>4527406
Turning your home planet into an quasi-hiveworld is not a good idea

Shangrala is an primarch's world, it should be able to hold an fine balance between agriculture, husbandry, industry and population.
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>>4527412
agriworld*
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>>4527409
A philosophy that I can get behind.

>>4527406
Frankly I dont see it as a priority. Unlike earth the galaxy in 30 and 40k is not an enclosed system with limited resources.
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>>4527391
Fuck, idk about you but reading that makes me picture Lieren becoming just as autistic. Pondering over diets and vitamin A level of rice. And I think Malal also picks it up.
The primarch is going to turn into some kind of Administratum's super-bureaucrat.
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>>4527412
Actually thinking about it there is a balance.
https://youtu.be/3dBaEo4QplQ
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>>4527409
Because I'm Ignorant of the vast majority of Buddhist doctrine that isn't "peace loving vegan monks who try to break the cycle of rebirth with enlightenment." I just remember that they don't eat meat and they are the dominant religion of ancient asia, so it'd probably fit.

>>4527412
I'm not saying making it a quasi agri-world, I'm just saying that the space taken up by raising cattle to feed a few people could make crops that feed double or triple the number of people if this world holds to real life economy of energy imput.
Minimizing the amount of animals needed gives more space in our pastures for more efficient and filling foods. I'm not saying we should exploit this to it's logical conclusion of ripping up forests and flattening mountains to make massive fields to feed 4 planets with each harvest. Simply that we are more effecient with our land, but as brought up, we would need a viable alternative source of vitamins and protien.
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>>4527425
Do note that you also have the balance of population numbers. Support too many and when food supplys have a problem the entire system can crumble (see some factors in the Bronze age collapse).

Also makes it easier for someone like nurgle to fuck with the planet by targetting the plant crops instead of having to content with both plants and animals.


I say leave it to the eventual administrators and dont worry about it too much after weve gone and improved production.
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>>4527406
Even then, it's difficult to take humans away from meat. We've been hunting and gathering for a long time, then we did the same but with technology: agriculture and farming are basically the lazy and more efficient version of hunting and gathering, controlling to an extent the ammount and type of food you get). Our bodies are made to eat most types of food, but we need some variety in our diet. Finding replacements for said variety that are equally good for our bodies in all aspects and taste good is difficult as fuck. But if efficiency is the problem, we could always fall into the cliché of "asians eating bugs" and farm genetically engeneered
grasshoppers and other highly nutritional insects, or the underhive alternative, geneforged roaches
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>>4527425
dude no ones hurting for fertile land in a feudal world lol
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>>4527425
>, I'm just saying that the space taken up by raising cattle to feed a few people could make crops that feed double or triple the number of people if this world holds to real life economy of energy imput.
Yeah, and feeding people starch rations and making them live in hives would make the population grow, too.

Remember, we're not some backwards mechanicum world, lieren doesn't know about the empire and neither does he care about squeezing every last cent from the land.

We must achieve a fair balance, and meat is important to raise quality of life. I mean, it's not like we have to use earth animals.

Meat is good not only for the vitamin and protein, but also because it tastes good and people like meat, it's human nature. Even IF we find an plant that could give the necessary nutrients, we shouldn't replace husbandry, only keep the plant as an addition to the menu to help.
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>>4527432
Likelyhood in the long term is we will turn to meat cloning to solve the supply problem without over burdening the local ecosystem.
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I'm still wondering why the fuck we got into this debate, the average lifespan of a normal human in W40K is "until Guardsmen" or until they hear "Waaagh". And that if you don't get killed by pollution, illnesses, mutants, chaos mutants, chaos illnesses, chaos daemons, or human's natural enemy: other humans. Damn humans, the ruined Skavenbligh- The Imperium, yes-yes.
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>>4527449
We're talking about an primarch's wold, anon.

Worlds owned or defended by primarchs can be as good as they want to, as long as they're not dead. Rambunctious Gibbyman basically has his own space empire, we should be allowed to have at least our own planet.
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>>4527449
Because we were discussing how to best make our world the best it can be, and we come from a famring village called Nothing.
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>>4526519
>The mere existence of records relating to the II primarch
Hmmm...

>>4526543
Support

>>4527228
We shouldn't turn off the fog, rather figure out how to use it to our advantage. If we can master it, we'll have a permanent cover for army movements. Imagine a force that appears out of the fog, destroys an army and disappears as quickly as it came. Would also lend more credence to the eventual Fog Panthers legion.
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>>4527525
Well anon, we know that this is an different timeline, in this timeline IInd was snatched by malal.

We also know that lieren's quite different, as the second primarch was said to be some moody, overly serious hypocrite.
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>>4527525
>Would also lend more credence to the eventual Fog Panthers legion.
Really would rather not since it seems too restrictive to name the legion that. Also want leave the animal obsession to Leman Russ and the Space Yiffs.
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>>4527538
Well, at least the name sounds cool.

It's not like we have any better option, honestly. At least, none of the anons have thought of any.
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>>4527555
Zodiac Warriors? Totally not a reference.
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>>4527561
We're not going to be wearing that shitty ass power-ranger looking armor.
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>>4527555
I think people were caught up in the armor painting. I'll brainstorm some names tonight and see what sticks, but I think a name or at least guidelines for a name will become more evident as the quest goes on. I also want to know what Malal is gonna name the pre-Lieren II Legion, that might guide our choice of name somewhat.
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>>4527528
>some moody, overly serious hypocrite
I imagine a lieren that was found by gao instead of landing in the country side would be.
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>>4527563
More serious suggestion would be Celestial Immortals to really play into the Asian theme.
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>>4527565
Didn't only like four legions have pre-primarch names?
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>>4527571
"Celestial Immortals" doesn't really sound threatening.

Like, at all.

It sounds like the title of an fanfiction so horrible and autistic even slaanesh would cringe at it.
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>>4527578
Does “Xian” sound better?
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>>4527587
Chapter names are usually in english, though.
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>>4527574
The Angels of Death became the Dark Angels
The Star Hunters became the White Scars
The Rout became the Space Wolves
The Storm Walkers became the Iron Hands
The War Hounds became the World Eaters
The War-Born became the Ultramarines
The Dusk Raiders became the Death Guard
The Luna Wolves, of course, became the Sons of Horus
The Imperial Heralds became the Word Bearers
The Dragon Warriors became the Salamanders
And the Ghost Legion became the Alpha Legion
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>>4527590
I know that’s why gave to you in english. I just want to get a name that doesn’t drive the marines to pigeonhole themselves and rather have them focus on a path that best fits them. Sounding threatening is secondary to that.
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>>4527602
Sounding threatening is absolutely the first goal. Celestial Immortals sounds like the name of an obscure successor chapter at best, it's not something you'd see in a founding legion.

I mean, compare that to the other founding legion names.
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>>4527604
And “Fog Panther” would cause them to fixate on the name to a stupid degree with an animal that doesn’t even represent us. Like Manus has a massive problem with his marines and their obsession with cybernetics, I’d rather not set ourself up for that.
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>>4527608
Marines don't fixate on something just because of the name, they fixate on stuff they see in the primarch because they're literally just imitating their father like little kids.
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>>4527598
>Imagine if we go to Terra, all our brothers have changed their Legion's names, giving each an epic speech to their sons. We go with a name in mind too: The Fog Panthers. Father has alredy told us he would accept it. Then our legion tells us they are called X and we just shrug and say "No problem, it's a cool name, well done my sons, we keep it"
The other Legions would seethe that we are such a chill Primarch and overall good father
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>>4527604
We could do a legion name in chinese that just translates to something in imperial gothic

Similar to the Vlka Fenryka /Space Wolves
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>>4527611
Honestly, that seems pretty on brand for how Lieren has been played thus far.
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>>4527598
>>4527602
What about "Mist Walkers". I don't think that our sons will spend the crusade walking in mists...right? We could always call our legion the "Heavenly Hunters", and if the emperor complains about the religious connotations, we point at the Angels, both of them.
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>>4527616
Yeah, but we should be thinking of the english name first, which is the way how people always call the legion.

Once we find a good name, we can translate it. For example, the example we have as of now, Fog Panthers, woould be Wù bào/Wù bàozi , right?
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>>4527619
Mist Walkers sounds cooler, but that's also the name of an japanese video game company.
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>>4527610
He also told them to stop that shit but they never listened.
>>4527611
Honestly I’m fine with taking a whatever name we’re handed. Could we just divide our legion into “sects” for variety like for example we could have a sect called “Fog Panther sect” that goes around doing Fog Panther stuff and have a bunch of Fog Panther iconography?
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>>4527622
Good thing we aren’t Games Workshop otherwise we’d have a problem.
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To be honest I could see the legion being named in connection to hunting somehow above being named after an animal.

The Emporers Hunters or: Veil Hunters, with veil being a snide note towards both the mists of his homeworld and the horrors of the immaterium from beyond the veil.

However it could be that we just modify the legions name to have a small reference and keep its origonal moniker otherwise. Frankly not leaning into the chinease culture too heavily might help stave off some of the corrupting influences that plauged other legions.
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>>4527620
Fair enough.
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>>4527632
>Veil Hunters
Absolutely top-tier, anon. That has my vote.
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>>4527632
Veil Hunters also sounds cool, but wouldn't we be leaning too far into the hunter thing then? Do we really want to end up with something like
>The Huntmaster Big Hunter of the Veil Hunters with his hunt lords Swift Hunter, Golden Hunter and Hunt Hunter
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>>4527644
Only if we go full dumb dumb and decide to name all our major ranks after hunters. We should include a mix of the cultures of our home world and their historys, with just the over arching name being Veil Hunters.
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>>4527644
We'll meet Russ soon enough, he'll serve as our cautionary tale in that regard.
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>>4527623
Sects sounds like a good idea, sorta like the Hexgrammaton the Dark Angels have? I don't know enough about Chinese culture and history to propose something though.

>>4527644
We're not GW, so we won't pick a retarded naming scheme.
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>>4527657
Maybe, but it's less that it's GW being retarded and it's more that having an primarch named hunter with an chapter named veil hunters feels kinda weird

Still an top-tier name though, and i'd say right now we've got three top tier name ideas
>Fog Panthers
>Mist Walkers
>Veil Hunters
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Name ideas?

Heavenly Host
Jade spears
Jade host
Veil wardens
Mist Wardens
Mist Walkers
Imperial Hunters

Non related names
Void Hunters
Truth seekers (his eyes see the truth)
Astral Host
Void Spears
Jade mystics
The Shaolin
Something similar to the Argonauts or the companions but in Chinese?

Thoughts?
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>>4527644
Another thing lieren can bond with fulgrim over. A basic understanding of aesthetics. The majority of primarchs are either too dull fo get it or too busy jacking off to how much their life sucks
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I'm personally between Mist Walkers, Veil Hunters and Truth Seekers, and to avoid the obvious "Delve too deep and fall to Chaos", we tell our sons something like:
>"I haven't found many things that could sincerely be called "Truth", the wisdom and Truth of one is the foolishness and falsehood of another, even amongst brothers, sadly. But one fact remains universal and absolute: Chaos sucks, like, seriously, are you retarded? You are selling your immortal soul to eternal torture and corruption until random daemon number 1332 gets bored and eats it. In exchange, you get eternal torture and corruption until the aforementioned soul-eating happens. Ah, you also get mutations and "gifts" that may or may not make you "better" in a specific field or situation...until you explode into a chaos spawn. So yeah, Chaos is shit"
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>>4527644
Yeah that would be retarded. Still a good name.
>>4527654
Lieren’s eyes will probably pop out of his skull when he sees Leman Russ and the Space Yiffs.
>>4527671
Those are pretty good too.
>>4527678
Lieren and Fulgrim are basically minimalism and maximalism.
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>>4527687
I'd like to see a Lorgar lite trying to twist that into "Join chaos, duh". If any SM of our Legion or anyone that hears it, willingly falls after a speech like that, they are just genuinely stupid and unfit to be a member of the Imperium. And maybe the other Primarchs overhear the conversation.
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>>4527697
>Lieren’s eyes will probably pop out of his skull when he sees Leman Russ and the Space Yiffs.

[Lieren prepares his speech to greet his sons in Terra]
L: My soons, after much consideration, I have chosen the name of our legion, we will be the Fog Pa-
[Sees Leman and his soons getting handsy with a wolf while while screaming Space Wolves repeatedly]
L: Ejem, yes, to avoid taking the name literally, we will be the Mist W-
[Sees Horus Sons following his genefather and imitating ALL his movements, mannerisms, and even overly proud oujo laughter, while constantly fighting for the atention and praise of the Primarch]
L: We keep the name, AND IF YOU FUCKS FALL TO CHAOS, I'LL FRACKING BLAM YOU.

And that's how the Second Legion became obsessed with extracting natural gas from the earth by pumping high pressure water inside.
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>>4527687
Wait, weren't the primarchs barred from knowing about chaos and had to wait until there were literal daemons on their door to learn?

But yea, chaos is stupid. I mean, I can understand an chaos cult popping up in Hive Shithole because the people there are so desperate and their life is so horrible the prospect of leaving it is worth to many joining the evil cthullu people, but fucking space marines?
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>>4527724
>Wait, weren't the primarchs barred from knowing about chaos and had to wait until there were literal daemons on their door to learn?
It's not totally impossible for Lieren to have his own suspicions about Chaos or the nature of certain abjurations before joining the Imperium.
A good example being whatever the fuck we just fought, because men don't become whatever that was naturally.
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>>4527724
The Primarch of the White Scars knew about the "Yaksa Kings" or something, which to his knowledge were the four evil rulers of the warp and of all Daemons
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Many something simple like The Companions or something along those lines? I hope we do something in the future that we can base the name of our legion off of cause rn i have no idea
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>>4527687
>>4527698
>>4527724
It's like an MLM or pyramid scheme. They're aiming to get to the top rewards and be the ones doing the torture before turning into Spawn. And, obviously, usually fail.
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We really need a new thread.
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>>4527773
I wanna hit 2k before we go to a new thread.
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>>4527748
I feel that's encroaching on the Custodes, and more related to Alexander the Great
>>4527773
Nah, we're only on page 5. /qst/ is slow enough that this thread could last till the weekend
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I wonder...if we wind up keeping the original name like a few people here are suggesting, what would be the Emp's reaction to that, especially once it turns out everyone else changed the name?

Simultaneously, the reaction of the marines of us not doing so, especially if the reason we give is something humble like "you have garnered much honor with your name and while I may be named your leader, I do not presume myself worthy of changing a name of a force I have just joined."
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>>4527809
That seems like such a Lieren thing to do haha
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>>4527814
Lieren would absolutely be chill enough as well as being respectful of his children to just roll with their original name.
It's not really our place to change such a thing so late after the Legion's inception.
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>>4527809
How the Terran-born marines take a name change is up to how it's instigated. For example, the Garviel Loken wasn't thrilled with the change from the Luna Wolves to the Sons of Horus and Angron had to put down a few mutinies as a result of the culture clash between the new World Eaters and marines that considered themselves War Hounds. Other legions didn't care, off the top of my head the Ultramarines, Dark Angels, Death Guard, and Iron Hands all successfully integrated the new recruits and culture of their primarch's homeworld.
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>>4527809
And the best thing is that we'll probably get to pick the name (as anons) between the names that QM likes the most from our suggestions and his own choices. Players delegating freedom to the QM in exange of greater lore, cool plot points or character-defining moments is something that rarely happens in 4chan quests without people claiming railroading, but this time, by being our choice, it just enriches the fluff behind the Legion name, and also motivates the QM to suggest creative stuff that he thinks about in the future without fear of people going batshit (it happens sometimes)
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>>4527837
I'm more concerned about whether or not we're gonna grow a mustache when we're reunited with our gene-sons.
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>>4527809
what would be the Emp's reaction to that, especially once it turns out everyone else changed the name?
That's a good question. Both the Primarchs and the Emperor have the flaw of "I know better". Being the only member of our family who doesn't makes us exceptional, and if things go A ok for us due to being able to delegate nonvital work in competent humans, do what is best and not what brings us most glory, and listen to people older and wiser to us, or even younger and with less experience, but with good ideas and something to say, this success may lead to the others learning from our example and becoming better Primarchs and better humans. Or it could make everyone jealous and Horus goes full envy and abandons us to die in the war of the Beast/Ragdan war
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>>4527824
Seems that it's dependent on the Primarch's magnetism, since marines didn't have the same reaction to Angron that they did with every other primarch.

The luna wolves could be explained as seeing it as too self-aggrandizing, but I've always seen Horas characterized as pretty charismatic.
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>>4527838
Yes, a typical Sage's long moustache and beard. Or a moustache like the one Nappa has (from Dragon ball). Now seriously, I fear that when we meet our brothers, we'll start spewing fortune cookie advice and look like a pretentious know-it-all to Horus the Envious and Proud and to Leman, a F*cking animal. We have to adapt our way of talking to people and giving advice to the people we are talking with. Beat Leman up, then talk to him in a way he can understand. Tell fater to tell Horus to stop bitching and moaning about having brothers (but in a polite manner)
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>>4527845
Both boiled down to the choice between loyalty to the primarch and where he was taking the legion vs loyalty to the legion as it was. I'm always surprised to read how much the marines of the World Eaters wanted his approval.
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>>4527671
Jade Panthers?
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>>4527852
>Beat Leman up
pic related
>then talk to him in a way he can understand
Well he's not retarded, so he can clearly understand the deeper meaning behind somebody's words.
His main problem is valuing their opinion over his own, which rarely ever fucking happens.
Now if we do ever manage to defeat him in a duel, that would change.
However, that's about as tall an order as defeating Vulkan or Angron under the same circumstances.
You might as well ask us to look better than Sanguinius or be more spiteful that Perturabo.
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>>4527899
Imagine if we are the primarch that is essential the move sponge and just ask all the other primarchs for help and end?

Hey lion your sword work is really good, can you teach me how? Then proceed to pick it up in a ridiculous speed.
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>>4527938
>Imagine if we are the primarch that is essential the move sponge
No, that's the thing. Every Primarch is a move sponge.
The majority of them are just embroiled in petty sibling rivalries or are too prideful/arrogant to ever admit they could learn something from their fellow Primarchs.
The only one who would ever be capable of that self reflection before something bad happens is Sanguinius, so hopefully we buck that trend.
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Calling the vote now. Love all this discussion on legion names, some great suggestions already. and the idea of Lieren going "Wait that's retarded" to his brother's aesthetic tastes, namely Leman.

Man the road with loyal men: 16
Begin to gather resources to make wonders: 14

Alright, so I'll combine them, since there's a majority asking for both

Writing the update, and sorry its taken me awhile to get around to it this time. Trying to fix my sleep schedule and its a bitch..
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>>4527892
Could work, though I think the White Scars were the only other legion to have a colour in their name, though it could fit considering we're also asian.

>>4527971
Take your time. Your wellbeing is more important than this quest.
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>>4527987
Can I get a tl;dr of what's the hottest takes so far? Works got me busy and I'm dead tired. I skimmed around and read something about primarch sponges and learning?
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>>4527844
That Lieren knows full well his limits would indeed make him unique.
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>>4527999
I think that was about how Primarchs, having the ability to learn from watching others do things like the Taskmaster, could teach each other different ways to fight, making all of them stronger as a result. And how they're all (possibly Sanguinius and now Lieren aside) too stubborn and prideful to do so.
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>>4528000
You never really know your limits until you slam into them like a brick wall. I hope we experience something that humbling before we meet the Emperor.
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>>4528003
Not exactly what I had in mind. I mean more of "Knowing what he's good at without ego getting in the way"
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>>4528006
Oh. Reminds me of Dorn in a way. Though his version of that was likely an extension of his incredibly blunt method of social interaction.
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>>4528003
Almost like the fight with the nurgle demon?
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>>4528007
Dorn had an ego, he just kept it to himself. I remember reading somewhere that he thought he could beat Angron in a 1v1.
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>>4528008
I'm talking more like something we can't possibly accomplish by ourselves, yet try and fail to do anyways.
I think this would be beneficial in how we interact with our soldier at least.
Sure we understand how they can be helpful, but we never really rely on them or factor them into our plans past how they might get injured.
Lieren talks a lot about everybody equal, but you don't really take that to heart if you're just coasting on being a demigod.
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>>4528011
With the knowledge he had, combined with his own bias and experiences, I'm sure he thought he stood a reasonable chance of doing so.
That said, I have to wonder how he'd do in that scenario.
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>>4528007
Yeah, but it has the danger of having us be seen as passive and weak, because we're not arguing that we should be the ones getting the glory and shit like that.
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>>4528025
>because we're not arguing that we should be the ones getting the glory and shit like that
Why argue about glory when we can just do our job and uplift the Imperium?
Maybe it's not about us, but the people we're trying to save from all these xenos and heretics.
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>>4528028
That. That right there is what'd get us marked as a passive and possibly spineless primarch.

"He just stands back whenever the iron warriors arrive to help crack fortresses rather than take command!"

"He doesn't charge into the vanguard of the enemy host when the Blood angels/World eaters/other direct assault specialists turn up, He just does the skirmishing around the flanks!"

And so on and so forth.
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>>4528029
would Lieren care about that though?
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>>4528030
Yes, if only for the simple reason that reputation is a tangible resource in the imperium, dictating how many reinforcements are directed your way, What sort of tech you get and when, as well as the esteem of both your brothers and your father the emperor.

Having a negative reputation, such as being passive or spinless, is bad for our legion and ourselves. If we can mitigate that in some way, such as just having "A" reputation, then probably not.
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>>4528029
>That. That right there is what'd get us marked as a passive and possibly spineless primarch.
We don't need to be fucking glory hounds waving chain-dicks around. What we need to do is accomplish our goals.
Ideally we do this efficiently and effectively, not to mention in a manner that doesn't get the civilians killed.
Anybody who actually has their head on straight would see that our priorities lie with the intent of the Emperor, Vulkan and Sanguinius being the first to agree with us on that. Guilliman and Dorn coming right after.
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>>4528030
He would and he would probably think of something for make his legion see why it s tactic it s useful. Eitherway in battles we should go where we are most needed. And we would be above many enemies with our training, natural skills and very high quality war gear so in many situations we don't need to be behind the lines. Doesn't mean we need to charge in like Angron. Though it could be needed time to time.
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>>4528032
Eh, glory is not so much of a big thing in 30k than it is in 40k. Sure you have the usual Primarch dick waving, Leman being a major example of this, but you also have primarchs like Alpharius Omegon and the Lion who just don't give a shit and get the job done.
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>>4528033
I agree we don't need to be glory hounds, but at the same time we do need to make sure that our approach of "the most qualified can do it better, so they do it while we/you support them/Us" isn't taken as weakness.
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>>4528041
Alpharius gave a massive shit and was bitter because he was so late to the crusade.
The lion...I don't know all that much about him, so I won't comment.

But I distinctly recall Lunar wolves getting the lions share of reinforcements and war materials in the later crusade just before Horus became warmaster due to them being the "face" of the legion astartes to the common folks.
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>>4528042
>Doesn't mean we need to charge in like Angron. Though it could be needed time to time
I think we can do that simply by pointing at the results of our tactics, which I assume would be a lot better than our detractors in most cases.
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>>4528033
This
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>>4528047
I have no idea why that was quoted but ignore that greentext
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>>4528047
Results which can instead be attributed to others we were working with at the time. But never mind, It's just something we should keep well in mind.
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>>4528045
>bitter because he was so late to the crusade.
Really? I don't recall ever coming across this, I always thought they subverted planets because it was mostly bloodless and even then I remember them catching some flack from Guilliman or someone else because subverting a planet took longer.
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The end of your long journey is in sight now, the final destination of your great road within the lands of Gao. Once the festivities in the fishing village have finished, all the liquor drunk and the dried fish eaten in great quantities, you lead your workers into the pass that safety leads to the rest of Gao's land. And as a precaution, in case the Toad Dragon's transformation from a man into a horrid creature was caused by something in the environment, you make it mandatory for every worker, guard, soldier, scribe and sub administrators wash themselves in recently boiled water. Luckily, the nearby fishing village had a ready supply of an absorbent bark that makes for an excellent cleaning tool, far better than wool or cloth. You've made a note on your map to cultivate these rare trees to allow its wondrous bark to be employed throughout Yan.

But, as you discuss with one of your assistants the dimensions the supports need to raise the road over the passes marshy interior without sinking and collapsing into the muck, a disquieting thought crosses your mind. It wasn't the first time this specific thought came to your attention, but the scholar's words on the potential for a central outpost or waystation within the pass itself brought it back to your mind.

"Of course, Lord Gao will be able to readily supply any necessary manpower to maintain such building, this is after all, the heart of the great road, it will need to be defended far more than the further paths" The man says, dipping a metal pen in a well of ink as he looks over the progress of the road through the pass surrounded by rivers and mountains "For if it falls, whoever holds it in their hands will control the entirety of the road"

That Gao will use your great work for ill. if men loyal to him are stationed along the roads through his lands, near enough to any village, any community, no matter how distant from his palace, he could strangle the life out of any "Dissenters" and bring his wrath upon any man, woman or child beneath his rule with but a letter. It has been a thought that has been troubling you for sometime now. But it is one you've already solved. Gao thinks you loyal, for your own gain and benefit under the shadows of his wings.

That does not mean he won't betray you when you've become useless to him once more, and he may think that you asking for a portion of his army and private guard force is a move for you to betray his "trust" and usurp him. But if another asks it, he'll see it as a chance to put a collar around your neck. But this is an easily solved conundrum. For every village you've traveled, when the roads have been safe, you've allowed your companions from nothing to come and show a few of the younger men how to properly hunt.

Partially to give the people of those villages the confidence to travel the roads, and partially to weave discipline into the young men, and feed them tales of hunts and glory from your trusted friends.
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>>4528083
Oh nevermind, I'm wrong. Misremembered a whole chunk of that story, whoops.
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>>4528084

You've also allowed any who wished to watch or join your morning drills with your men to do so, for the same purpose. You had, created a force of outspread talent, ready to be forged into fighting men the moment the chance came to them and they were given orders to train long and hard. It was hidden by you treating it more as a game than a bid for power, with you genial manner and joy filled smile. Any spies would say you were merely gaining the people's favor by acting as if you stood among them, rather than gathering your own army from the rabble.

But they would be blinded to the lesson you taught in stories, in jokes and in casual conversation, even if they noticed your "mock sparring" was actually training rather than playing to gain the people's trust and favor by being approachable.

"No no, let us not trouble great lord Gao with such minor details" You say, taking the iron pen from his fingers and fixing the mistakes in his schematics and calculations as you talk "There should be a bounty of volunteers wanting to leave their villagers or with nowhere else to go, wanting to ease the burdens of their families, Gao will not need to man with his personal forces, the people will be happy to do their part after all"

"Untrained farmers and workers in charge of the life line of the lands of Gao? Excuse my impudence but my lord, that is practically handing the keys to the kingdom to any upstart bandit lord or would be usurper" The scholar says, taking the pen back from your fingers and looking over your adjustments as he argues with you "We need loyal men"

"And what breeds more loyalty? Pay or life? All of these men were saved by the creation of this road, by our great work" You explain, as you take his writing tool yet again and quickly jot down the distance the "Center fort" or "Main waystation" would be from the road proper and how to connect it to the main road "They would protect it, for the road brought bounty and plenty to their kin and villages, if one of them had delusions of grandeur I have no doubt that the rest of the force would deliver the usurper's head to Gao in silk"

Your assistant sighs and grabs a new pen from his satchel , handing you his ledger as he begins to work on a scroll, and you go to your own work, building upon his ideas and refining his contributions. after all his intellect is why he holds the position of your main assistant, and while you may need to fix the measurements he jots down, most of his ideas are quite brilliant.

"Ah, you wisdom illuminates me, administrator Lieren" He says, before he licks the edge of his fresh pen to wet it before applying ink "But there still remains the question of discipline and training, a loyal force will fail as readily as a disloyal one, they will simply break themselves against any superior force rather than break and desert, but the end result is the same"
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>>4528088

"I shall deal with that hurdle myself, lend my personal guard to their training or do it myself if my duties allow me enough time spare on such frivolities" You say, marking a mistake your assistant made on his count of your workforces materials and man power "But let us cease wasting time on this subject, when we must focus on the road's most important juncture, its very heart"

"As you wish my lord, I will gather a list of the forts and rest areas already built along the road, so you may decide where to assign your men to train the locals" The man, who has refused to tell you his name says with a smile as he goes about drawing the progress of the road, to measure how the stone much be cut to continue it's progress "Also, word has been sent, more of your privately requested materials are being sent to your home village...Why you would need so much copper, I cannot imagine, but all men have their own tastes I suppose"

"Ah, that reminds me, my dear colleague, I will return to my home briefly, to mark the progress of the watchtowers and garrisons along the road and ensure the supply train is moving efficiently and cleanly, I shall leave Rong to manage the soldiers, and you will be in charge of continued construction until my return" You say as your assistant nods and pulls a copy of the map you've drawn for the road and studies it "If there is any delay or obstacle, send a letter with haste and I shall return to solve it"

"I will do so if the need arises, and if I may be so bold, ask you to bring back a cask of that strong liquor those fishing folk produce, I've acquired a taste for it, as have most of the workers" He says as he makes a not on his scroll and turns to you, clasping his hands together and bowing "I will allow only a thimble of the drink to each man, so they do not grow dependent"

"I shall do this, and you may give them more so long as its watered down or mixed with pulped fruit, to weaken it" You say marking a note to encourage production of alcohol for trade alone side the cultivation of that rare bark tree in the fishing village, to encourage trade "But no more than two thimbles, a third may be added to the end of their shifts if they are not scheduled for hard work"

"As you command' You assistant says as he rises and steps away from you, barking orders to the nearest task master, as you begin your walk down the road, smiling and humming a hunting song as you go.

With your labor nearing its end, and the system you've built as you worked to allow the construction to continue outside of your direct control now functioning efficiently and smoothly enough for you to take a brief detour from your duties. To a different kind of work, one you have been planning since you've discovered what you were.

Innovation, creation, invention. The introduction of the wonders you saw projected as light upon the glass of the mechanical egg
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>>4528091

To create even one of those wonders would bring boundless prosperity and a noticeable improvement of the quality of the common man's life. But you had greater ambitions than making merely one wonder.
No, you'd begin work to create several when you return home, and finish them before Gao called for you once again, before your road reached its final destination at his palace.
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Nothing had changed in the three years since you've began your great work, its grown. As have its walls, with you've reinforced with stone built over it and iron supporting and replacing the old log pillars. Children laugh and play happily behind the outermost wall, the scent of smoked meat and pickled radish filling the air of the outskirts of the village. Refugees and hanger-ons have joined the village, and bolstered its once low numbers. Now, it is prosperous, not just in wealth and food, but also joy.

And it seems those who still tend the land instead of the woods have adoppted the farming techniques you've taught them, well irrigated fields mostly replacing the once devastated flooded rice paddies and disorganized family farms that once dominated the land.

"Ah Lieren's come to visit!" Feng's elderly mother calls out to you happily, hobbling towards you with the assistance of her cane "its been sometime since you last came home boy, your father is worried sick of your health, but you look as hale and hearty as ever"

"Ah honored grandmother" you say, kneeling down so she doesn't have to hurt her neck looking up at you "and I can say the same to you, such youthful energy for a woman your age, I'd be blessed to be so lucky in my winter years"

"Oh you little flatterer, I'm sure many woman have fallen for that honey tongue of yours" The old woman says, cackling like a drunk as you sit before her "Those two brothers brought back the old man of the woods in their lost hunt"

"Liang and Jiang killed that aged predator? I'll have to ask them the story of how they defeated him and his mighty shell" You say with a nod, noticing that Feng's family farm is stocked heartily with the vegetables and fruits Gao had sent to you, bushes of berries and hardy squash growing along side expensive herbs and spices "And share my own hunting tale with them, When you see your son, tell him I've returned"

"What an exciting village this remains" Jinhai sighs, looking around as he and his fellows keep their distance as you speak to your aged friend "I would enjoy retiring to such a place, when I grow old"

"If you grow old, death comes on dark wings, suddenly and unexpectedly" Zian muses as Hu and Wei approach your party, coming from the second wall

"Ah, brother Lieren! you've come back to us" Hu says happily before he notices Zian "Ah, Honorable Zian, you're still kicking then?"

"Oh you must here the story of Lieren's latest battle" Fat Chen calls out cheerfully as you laugh. And in a moment, your are swarmed by curious children and young mother seeking a story.
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>>4528093

their eyes glowing with curiosity and happiness


"Well let me tell it, friend" You laugh, as a young girl tries to climb up your back, gripping and pulling one your robes. She can't be older than four, one of the lives you've saved or allowed to be born. It fills your heart with joy, purer than any other.


"Come on, are you going to make me wait until the communal dinner until you tell me of your victory over that Dragon Toad?" Feng says almost whining like a child as he follows you into your personal storage building "I've heard half the village speaking of the battle, oh what I would do to have been able to join you in that match. Jiang was brought to tears when he heard it from his brother, a glory we could not share with you, brother Lieren"

"it was a beast too mighty for you, and Jiang is always excited to face his death" You say gently yet truthfully before chuckling "I've heard my father is doing well"

"Oh, yeah, though his heart nearly came back cause that fool Jiang came running to him breathless saying your name and made him fear that you had died out in the world" Feng snorts, turning to see Jinhai behind you "Ah, the carp son"

"Greetings, scarred man" Jinhai replies dully as Feng grits his teeth at him "So this is the warehouse where you keep all the supplies you purchase and squirrel away"

"Brother Lieren has an odd sense of what makes a fortune" Feng says jokingly "I understand that its for the good of the people, but some of it I can't understand how it could be useful, like all of this salt or this yellow stone, or this copper spun into thin wires. its nonsensical to my eyes, but there must be a reason for it"

"Gao would have a heart attack if he saw this room" Jinhai laughs, looking around at your horde of resources and supplies "where all of the gold he pays Lieren ends up, if not within the great road"

"Or what these barrels of preserved tree sap could possibly be used for, outside of creating those hour fires" Feng continues on, as you follow him deeper into your storage facility.

"Oh you will see my friend, you will see" You say, smiling as you recount your collected supplies and resources "Very shortly, all of this is to create miracles"

"Miracles? Did you learn magic on the road?" Feng asks not sounding too surprised that you could have learned sorcery somewhere in your travels. Jinhai narrows his eyes

"No, he speaks of invention" He says, as observant as always "no magic or sorcerery"

"Exactly" You say, clapping your hands together "exactly, what I am doing is not magic, nor divine. It is simply knowledge I have, put to use"

"Ah, I figured that was the point of all these bizarre substances and things" Feng laughs as he looks around, pointing his spear at your gathered "wealth" "None of it makes any sense to me still, of course, but I'll see what you turn this manure into this time"
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>>4528094

What "miracles" do you create , Lieren?
> Captured lightning [Electricity] and basic machines that can harness it
> A black powder that explodes when ignited and weapons to harness it
> Alchemy (Chemicals) to improve soil and crop yields , and more efficient tools and irrigation
> A forge system that will allow you to mass produce weapons, armors, tools and anything metal
>Write in?

>>4528059
This made post made me imagine
>Ah, my brother Lieren, I know the pain you must be feeling now. After having the victory won by you and your sons attributed to that vain fool fulgrim who arrived at the end of the campaign to steal the glory for himself. It is one I am...accustomed to
>Pain? what do you speak of Brother Perturabo? I did my duty, if others are praised for it, it does not bother me in the slightest. For victory to be won at all, is reward enough for me.
>*Autistic primarch noises*
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>>4528095
Medicines and superior farming equipment. Ex: the humble tractor.
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>>4528095
sorry I'm full of stupid right now.
> Alchemy (Chemicals) to improve soil and crop yields , and more efficient tools and irrigation
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>>4528095
Oh god, theres nothing worse than a merry person to keep a miserable one company. Its hillarious.
But we may well become good friends with Pert because of it.

But for now....I think it best we make Gunpowder and alchemical supplies to help crops. One a shield against Gao's eyes while the other is the blade to usurp the tyrant.
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>>4528095
> A forge system that will allow you to mass produce weapons, armors, tools and anything metal

Very useful even for the civilian side
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>>4528095
>> A black powder that explodes when ignited and weapons to harness it
>> Alchemy (Chemicals) to improve soil and crop yields , and more efficient tools and irrigation

The others will come later.
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>>4528095
> Alchemy (Chemicals) to improve soil and crop yields , and more efficient tools and irrigation
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>>4528095
> A black powder that explodes when ignited and weapons to harness it
> Alchemy (Chemicals) to improve soil and crop yields , and more efficient tools and irrigation
Black powder is more useful to us than mass equipment, especially in a feudal world
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>>4528095
>> Alchemy (Chemicals) to improve soil and crop yields , and more efficient tools and irrigation
>> A forge system that will allow you to mass produce weapons, armors, tools and anything metal
>> Captured lightning [Electricity] and basic machines that can harness it
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>>4528095
> A black powder that explodes when ignited and weapons to harness it
While agriculture is very important, we really do need to worry about how we'll go forward. The valley is prosperous, it's been developed enough that we can worry about strategic matters.

We need to prepare our forces, and starting to make blackpowder weapons would do us very well
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>>4528095
>A forge system that will allow you to mass produce weapons, armors, tools and anything metal

We just need coal and we can create steam engines - no electricity required.

The first step to mass production and industrialisation
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>>4528142
Isn't Gao going to be suspicious if we suddenly start cranking out plate armor for the soldiers?
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>>4528144
Now that I think of it electricity can be used for gilding. That would draw Gao’s interest.
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>>4528155
Well, that's the thing, we DONT want gao to start poking his nose on what we're doing

Which is why i think we need blackpowder first, you have to remember that time spent not ruling the land is more time where people have to live under an corrupt, hedonistic nobility.

We may have brought our lands to prosper, but the nobles are still there, fucking shit up with their dumb ways.

We need to conquer gao's lands soon, and the best way to get rid of enemies is with weapons that go straight through armor.
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>>4528095
> A forge system that will allow you to mass produce weapons, armors, tools and anything metal
Metal tools are also a big upgrade, other than the war potential of course.
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>>4528095
>> A forge system that will allow you to mass produce weapons, armors, tools and anything metal
I wonder if Lieren's pseudo-zen extends to being an environmentalist. I suppose we see as we industrialize, but I kinda like the idea that it does. To have him be so different than anyone in the Imperium yet so effective will make for a real interesting time.
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>>4528159
Mass production isn't needed yet. We need something to tip the scales of trained soldiers against peasant levies.
That, is the almighty gun.
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>>4528095
> Alchemy (Chemicals) to improve soil and crop yields , and more efficient tools and irrigation
> A forge system that will allow you to mass produce weapons, armors, tools and anything metal

We need alchemy simply because it will allow people to start innovating themselves. SImple alchemy understanding could lead to the invention of say paper, and that would lead to the printing press.
We need the forge because we are about to have a hell of a lot of people needing arms and armour.
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>>4528095
> A black powder that explodes when ignited and weapons to harness it
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>>4528095
> A forge system that will allow you to mass produce weapons, armors, tools and anything metal
I want the gunpowder, but I feel like that should be a secret weapon for later, a way to turn the tide or to counter a larger force. We can wait on it until we are dealing with Gao's superior and the rest of his ilk.
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>>4528175
Those peasants can be trained away from unwanted eyes. As an expert hunter, we know better this lands than Gao soldiers. We can set up a secret camp without them noticing it. Maybe even build the forge there if is a problem. Mastercrafted superior armors and guns + melee weapons would tip the balance a lot in our favour. Combine that with the training and discipline we could give them.

We might not even need to do it in secret. For example we can request if we can have a military role alongside our administrator one to Gao, maybe even be made a minor noble. So we can reform and purge Gao army with our friend, making it virtuos and loyal to us and the people. This would make a military coup of the governorship very easy, as well a purge of corrupted noble houses and a reform of the cities. We can feign the coup with the usual ambition and cruelty of the corrupted nobles of this land, avoiding a military response from nearby governors and the Yang emperor. If we want or need to. Or we could say Gao was ineffecient, weak and pathetic (which is the truth) and we have replace him for those reasons.
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>>4528095
>A black powder that explodes when ignited and weapons to harness it

>>4528312
>Mastercrafted superior armors and guns + melee weapons
Thing is.
the only one capable of actually making those *mastercrafted* armors at the moment?
Lieren.
And personally I'm not sure he can afford to get stuck behind a forge for an extended period of time as of now.
We NEED the guns, way I see it
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>>4528325
He would be able. He can further grow in skills and method, and with an improved forging technology it would be far easier for him. Meaning he doesn't need to stay a lot of time behind a forge.
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Guns can come later. Investing in civilian industries at this time will allow for doubling, tripling, or even greater number of guns and bullets we can produce later.

>> Alchemy (Chemicals) to improve soil and crop yields , and more efficient tools and irrigation
>> Captured lightning [Electricity] and basic machines that can harness it
>> A forge system that will allow you to mass produce weapons, armors, tools and anything metal
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>>4528359
It also increases the time it'll take for us to be able to prepare a coup.
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>>4528312
It's not gonna be master crafted armor, it'll be mass produced armors. Munitions plate's great compared to the padded armor they'd wear normally, but we can't produce anything that's better than Gao's in large enough numbers to matter.

>>4528095
> Captured lightning [Electricity] and basic machines that can harness it
> A forge system that will allow you to mass produce weapons, armors, tools and anything metal
An industrial revolution is going to serve us better than handmade guns in the long run. Once we can mass produce fine machinery, we can skip over muskets and equip our men with lever/bolt action rifles. We'll still need armor and spears, but in far less amounts than if we use muskets
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>>4528452
Industrial revolution can wait until after we've deposed Gao. To do it before simply benefits him while depriving us of valuble political capitol.

Besides, we only need to best his thousand men to win this coup. The guns will secure that much quicker than an industrial movement.
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>>4528390
And? We don't have the fort up yet, and the longer we run things for the better our reputation will be and absolutely most importantly, we can establish a causus belli for our coup. Plus, having everything established will allow a coup attempt to be more likely and *absolutely most importantly* we don't tip our hand. Seriously, guns against this minor wretch will make trying to take the rest of the planet a pain as all the others will get word of guns and make their own. While if we build up industry and infrastructure to produce guns and support a massive army, when we unveil the weapons we can keep our conquests going faster than the weapons tech can spread.
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>>4528095
> Captured lightning [Electricity] and basic machines that can harness it
> A forge system that will allow you to mass produce weapons, armors, tools and anything metal
I kinda wish we had a way of doing this that kept it eco-friendly, but oh well.
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>>4528551
I wish more people would vote for alchemy.
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>>4528554
Alchemy is the way to go. We can make combat drugs, drugs to improve the health of our troops, etc.
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>>4528554
To be fair, we're gonna have to put the time into alchemy fairly soon anyways.
We're gonna need fairly complex chemicals just to get things moving soon, not to mention how involved the process of making modern smokeless powder and cartridges is gonna be.
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>>4528554
As the votes go.

Alchemy: 8
Guns: 6
Lecky: 4
Forge: 10

So Forge is likely going to pass with ease, I'd bet alchemy following along handily as well
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>> A black powder that explodes when ignited and weapons to harness it
>> Alchemy (Chemicals) to improve soil and crop yields , and more efficient tools and irrigation

>>4528495
without proper smiting and recipes they are going to be shit guns with shit powder.
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>>4528564
>We can make combat drugs
Ebin
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I wonder if we can just skip the whole phase where people were completely unaware of how dangerous stuff like Lead and Mercury are.
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Alchemy: Cu76i7kp, OqGeGQKB, 209I29rb, yCxTySeD, 0HIiEkYR, oKVKbjZB, H2nUGQ1H, LO0E21dK, OZ0peQ3M
Guns: OqGeGQKB, 209I29rb, 0HIiEkYR, MoSrmlWd, U9JejSyj, GH3F+Jis, OZ0peQ3M
Lecky: oKVKbjZB, LO0E21dK, GlfkjUuc, Xatry1ON
Forge: Gf0LVAOM, oKVKbjZB, 7Fjn0Cp5, PgcOEeah, /2g1YqqM, H2nUGQ1H, 2lliJWB6, LO0E21dK, GlfkjUuc, Xatry1ON
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>>4528564
Its also a requirement for electricity: Batterys are basically containers of chemicals, acids mainly. At least on the initial end anyway.
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>>4528095
> A black powder that explodes when ignited and weapons to harness it
> Alchemy (Chemicals) to improve soil and crop yields , and more efficient tools and irrigation
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>>4528589
this is true
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>>4528586
Wait, what's to stop us from skipping over muskets entirely to assault rifles, other than the difficulty in making enough bullets?
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>>4528596
Materials.
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>>4528596
Nothing really, well except some better chemistry knowledge which we should have.

We need schools and ways of passing info on/around. From there we need access to the raw materials required, using the new chemistry knowledge, and then we need craftsmen to make the weapons (until we do electricity and automation).

It'll be a whole thing. Probably six to a dozen years in the making to get our plans off the ground, and this is after we take control of our nation.
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>>4528597
and a lot of machine tools that would be unique wonders of artizanship.
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>>4528597
>>4528598
So are we lacking knowledge or a specific material? I thought you could make Ak's out of wood and iron, so the same should apply here?

Any /K/ommandos present kindly correct me if I'm wrong.
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>>4528599
Well yeah. People forget how much specialized tech goes into making modern guns. Hell most people don’t even know the difference between smokeless gunpowder and old fashion black powder.
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>>4528601
Let me make it simple:

We dont have the production base.
Knowledge in just leirens head doesnt translate into weapons beyond what he can make until he teaches people.
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>>4528601
>I thought you could make Ak's out of wood and iron,
Yes but... watch this.
https://youtu.be/_eQLFVpOYm4
This shit takes a lot of tools that third world countries don’t have.
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>>4528604
Ah, Now I understand.
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>>4528095
> Alchemy (Chemicals) to improve soil and crop yields , and more efficient tools and irrigation
> A forge system that will allow you to mass produce weapons, armors, tools and anything metal
Not sure if we should introduce guns yet. This tech will fall into the hands of others eventually, it it will be misused, that would be on us.

We need food, and we need to be able to make enough tools or weapons before we consider cranking out guns.
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>>4528598
>>4528577
I don't like the forge for one simple reason, most other developments are mobile with us, but the forge requires us being tied to this place or leave it to someone else. With Gao made better we could of course flit to another, better positioned court.

>>4528618
>misused.

the very term offends me. All use is misuse or abuse depending on point of view. A thing is either used or not.
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>>4528095


>Alchemy
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>>4528648
And leave Nothing and our people?! For shame Anon!
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>>4528670
Well I’m not against it.
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>>4528670
This, why should we try to play by their rules and jump from court to court?

We're a fuckin' giant. Once we coup Gao, we'll crank up development of the valley to 11 and then take over the world.
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Rather than going to modern rifles, we should look at weapons from WW2. Their SMGs were designed to require the least possible machining, where as an AK requires more effort for little benefit. A Sten gun will put out enough lead to kill whole groups of soldiers, while being basically just a pipe. Range isn't a major concern for us, as we are only competing with bows, and massed fire will be effective enough at longer ranges. Give our men armor and a tower shield with a hole for the gun and we can defeat anyone.

If we build a base of manufacturing before starting on gunpowder we'll be much better off. We can give Gao some armor and electric lights to buy him off, but all of the foremen and workers will be loyal to us, so that when we roll out firearm designs we don't have to worry about it leaking
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>>4528751
So long as we can make sure our mass produced rifles don't fall into the same pitfalls the ones in WW2 did.
>unreliable in the best of conditions
>absolute shit tier ergonomics
I say if you make a Sten gun with proper furniture and kept the internal components to a strict machining standard, you'd have an absolute winner.
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>>4528751
Dude, just getting single-shot rifles that use bullets with cartridge like the Martini-Henry and gatling guns would give us the same power as the British Empire. We don't need to reach full WWII.

However, the key part is that we *need* industry. Anyone saying you only need guns for a world conquest is talking out their ass.
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>>4528754
I don't see our men having to deal with trench warfare which should help a lot. The upjumped nobility of this world is going to want fights on open fields so they don't have to worry about getting dirty. Combining that with line tactics, where it doesn't much matter if a tenth of the guns jam while firing, should make the simple guns we can mass produce fairly reliable in a battle.

That's dependent on getting a manufacturing base first though, which steel and electricity will be essential for. Without machinery to mass produce them, we'll be dependent on artisans to hand make everything at a much slower rate. I get that people want to jump to guns, but building a base for them is more important. Let Gao enjoy some cheap steel tools, they're more useful to the people anyway. Electricity will let us work into the night, increasing our future productivity. It's not like we have to tell Gao what you can use the electricity for. Let him believe it's only good for powering lights, that alone will gain us fame across the continent.
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>>4528767
Dude, the problem with artisans producing guns is even worse than that. Rather than having a standardized bore of gun, you'll get all of them going close enough due to precision being only good at the highest levels, so rather than an army using all using, say, 5.56, yuo'd have this batch using 5.56, another batch with 5.50, another with 5.60, another with 5.58, another with 5.55, etc. and that's before you get into the mentioned slowdown in speed, issues with interchangable parts if you want those leveraged, etc.

Guns are flashy but temporary. Industry is true power.
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>>4528786
Yup. Guns for military purposes are really only worth a shit if you can standardize their production.
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>>4528761
Hell, if we can't make full auto guns we can always make hotchkiss cannons. I'd like to see what an 40mm explosive round does to a group of charging cavalry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQEs6i4fwLA
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>>4528786
We're not going to get to the tier of industrial revolution technology so soon, are we? Especially if we want to make an factory.

It would be wise to have some artisan-made matchlocks for the eventual coup against gao. Some smoothbore muskets should be able to remain with one type of ammo while also tearing through any armor they could have.

Basically, just get some artisans to produce some matchlocks so even an outnumbered force of peasants would only need minimal drilling to take down gao's guards.
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>>4528767
Oh, and two more things to note, merely having powering lights is a fucking utterly unparalleled miracle as far as everyone on the planet is concerned. Like, we take it for granted now, but think of just how much you use lights for, especially if we leverage primitive air conditioning as well. Then add in using it for pumps for water for indoor piping. That is unparalleled levels of luxury for medieval societies. Praises would be sung for just one. All three and to the point where they are in the hands of commoners? The renown we would get would be fucking insane and we might not even need to coup Gao as the Emperor steps in to force us in charge in exchange for bringing those wonders to the Imperial Palace with every single lord paying out the ass for us to install the stuff in their keeps.
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>>4528805
Now that I think of it just our inventions alone may start a war or two.
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>>4528805
yeah, I get that people want to play the rebel against corrupt nobility, but becoming Leiren the Great Builder is a much more effective way of taking power of this world. We could go as far getting the hand of the Emperor's daughter if we played it right and continue with our improvements. Sure it means letting the corrupt continue their lives of luxury, but we could help far more of the common folk and clean up the nobles over time
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>>4528805
......Hmm. That's a real fucking treat.

>>4528811
It's for that reason that I want to slay them all. The corrupt are set in their ways and must be expunged. There are towns of peasants probably as nasty, but they haven't been that much of a cunt.
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>>4528811
>Hand of the emperor's daughter
How weird would it be if we were the only primarch to have a wife?

What would the emperor or our brothers think?
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>>4528818
>What would the emperor or our brothers think?
I'm sure the vast majority of them would probably fast-track to
>"I'm an uncle?"
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>>4528813
With all that we can bring, we could probably blitz up the ranks as the top royals want to reward us for stuff of luxury and likely get carte blanche for dealing with anyone under us. We could potentially build up to effectively a Japanese Shogun position, technically subserviant but we're really the ones in charge. Slowly shift them from neccessary to ceremonial with a 'blessing' on wars we declare...with some pressure to keep them away from Chaos to keep them as a human-level cultural icon, then us, then Emperor of Mankind if possible, and ability to eventually purge via scandals if we can't.
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>>4528818
They'd think us to be mentally retarded because primarchs aren't the kind to have those, so the emperor would probably think we were defective and flush us out of the toilet.

If it was fake "for da powah" we wouldn't have bothered to keep the illusion after we conquered the planet.
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>>4528823
Doubt it. They'd probably think us very odd though, especially if we held a genuine love of them.

Emps probably wouldn't be pleased, but so be it.
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>>4528823
Alternatively they would see us being so comfortable around our people that we start to form genuine attachments to em.
Whether or not they still think we're retarded, or become incredibly envious of our ability to actually integrate with normal people to that degree is up in the air.
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>>4528826
>Emps probably wouldn't be pleased, but so be it.
Just about nobody handles being a grandfather well at first.
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>>4528826
It depends on the brother, some would think us to be a weirdo but otherwise be mostly neutral and some would think us to be an defect.

Regardless, primarchs can't have kids right? Not in the normal way, that is.
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>>4528818
Huh, I thought that Dorn or Rowboat got married for politics at some point before the emperor came.

>>4528826
I think Vulkan, Sanguinius, and maybe Fulgrim would get it. Though we are beyond human, our entire reason for being is to uplift humanity.
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>>4528830
>Regardless, primarchs can't have kids right? Not in the normal way, that is.
Like we're genetically engineered to shoot blanks or something?
Or would our partners struggle to handle what comes with being with a Primarch?
I'm fairly certain the Emperor had problems like that back in the day.
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>>4528836
Maybe, maybe they just can't do it because of how the primarch body is built. Kinda like how it goes for marines.

The Emperor had the Sensei (if those guys are still canon), but those were rare, and once again, it's the emprah, and he was created semi-naturally as opposed to being a tube baby
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>>4528830
Emp's had the Sensei as kids, so its not entirely without precident, and Primarchs were genetically engineered from the start rather than augmented which would lose it. I'd say it is more likely a low sex drive combined with being really busy dealing with other things like conquering their home planet.

Be real hilarious if we use the married to the Yan Emperor's daughter to do a coup near the end of it and actually have a kid with her, and that prompts some of the other Primarchs like Vulcan to look at our family and go "I should get one of those".

What'd be more interesting than the Primarchs and Emp's reactions would be that of the space marine gene-sons to such a development...especially if it turns into a 'protect the little brother' sort of thing.
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>>4528095
> Alchemy (Chemicals) to improve soil and crop yields , and more efficient tools and irrigation
> A forge system that will allow you to mass produce weapons, armors, tools and anything metal

Logistics win wars. Once we take over Gao's lands we can start on the arms and go forth to conquer the planet.
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>>4528836
When an apothecary was digging around in the corpse of a primarch, he didn't recognize half of the organs. Safe to say that Primarchs are so far from humans that it'd be like breeding a hyrax and an elephant. Sure they're related, but the difference is so great that it's impossible
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>>4528844
Yeah, but emps is emps. The primarch aren't just supermen like emps, they were genetically engineered so it'd be hard to believe that they would keep their stuff.

Also, i'm fairly certain primarchs have like zero sex drive, i don't think there was even a single primarch who had an wife or a girlfriend.
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>>4528846
>When an apothecary was digging around in the corpse of a primarch, he didn't recognize half of the organs
I'm sure is somebody split the Emperor down the middle they'd have no idea what half the shit in there is either.
Either way, we don't know if we don't try.
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>>4528854
Let’s not and say we did.
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>>4528854
That's dumb, let's not

Lieren is also full zen monk, remember? If anything he's one of the least likely to do that kind of shit.
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>>4528854
I think the Emps is just a normal man physically. The SoS see him as just a normal sized skeleton on the golden throne. Dude is just hyped up on so much warp juice that he can maintain the image of being that big

We know Magnus could change size, so it's possible the Emperor could as well. Would explain how no one noticed a giant wandering earth since the stone age
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>>4528818
OTT lieren was killed because he had cooties
Can't risk that shit spreading to sanguinius
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>>4528862
Well Buddhist monks are allowed to have one partner but really let us not.
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>>4528864
Hell if the Primarchs found out they could breed a race of superhumans, the emperor would instantly put them down. Remember that he's a human supremist, super soldiers don't count. There's a massive stone relief in the palace that shows only normal humans, no thunder warriors or space marines in sight.
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>>4528854
Lets not try. Chaste romance for political means if we absolutely must.
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>>4528854
The emperor wasn't genetically modified, he was just psychically overcharged
I'm pretty sure he would ensure that the primarch have no sex drive or ability to reproduce to ensure that one of his sons isn't a complete horndog and spawns an entirely new abhuman race, which would cause a whole nest of issues
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>>4528854
Depending on the edition, the Emperor had biological descendants made the old-fashioned way.
>>4528865
They can? I went to a monastery a few years ago and all of the monks and nuns there were celibate.
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>>4528868
Space marines are completely genetics wise human. He also as a matter of fact intended for marines to not replace humanity.
>>4528879
Yes but it has guidelines regarding marriage. For the most part Buddhism is about attaining enlightenment and focuses heavily on mindfulness. Being addicted to sex or drugs is explicitly prohibited.
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>>4528865
>>4528870
Well you're boring.
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>>4528887
Space marines are completely different from possibel primarch offspring. Space marines have no sex drive and no ability to reproduce. They are completely reliant on the human population to bolster their numbers. The offspring of a primarch, born through traditional reproduction, could potentially have all the genetic benefits while also being self-sustaining. It should also be noted that astartes are a dangerous thing, many astartes view themselves as superior to normal humans or view normal humans as nothing more than fodder to be spent for their cause(ie grey knights and black templars) not to mention all the problems there could be if this self-sustaining super soldier population got into chaos's hands. I really doubt the emperor would allow it
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>>4528909
Waifusperging has killed far too many quests for me to support it in something this good.
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>>4528909
We're playing as a fucking primarch, you meme. If you wanted an waifu, you can go check an quest with a non-primarch as the protagonist.
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>>4528818
Not very odd.

Many primarchs married, some even multiple times, for political reasons.

They are all sterile and outlive their partners, and none see the point of having more when they reunite with emps.
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>>4528978
Lieren is only married to the cause! Although I think having a wife would actually contribute a lot to our character but were also a primarch so
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Don't Space Wolves regularly fuck because the culture on Fenris sees plowing chicks as cool?
Isn't there a space marine who actually has a bunch of normal, bastard sons he checks up time to time?
Lukas the Trickster I think was his name?
I might just be remembering wrong or whatever.
If there was a woman who could take us then I assume we'd just a normal kid, definitely have to make a space marine though.
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>>4529027
Lukas regularly fucked before he became a marine, I'm not sure about afterwards. I can imagine him looking after the kids he had when he was mortal and making sure his line is alright, but I haven't read anything about him siring children as a astarte.
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>>4529041
If his parts still work, I'm sure that he's had more bastards
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>>4529002
>>4529027
Going to need you to source this shit
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>>4529046
Fulgrim got married multiple times, but looking to him for moral guidance isn't the best idea
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>>4529046
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Lukas_the_Trickster
It's 1d4chan so it maybe just memes and shitposting that I mistook for canon fact.
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>>4529063
the memes and shitposting are built off of truth.
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>>4529063
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lukas_(Space_Wolf)
This one just said that he fucked 12 women in a single night before he became a space marine.
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>>4529094
Alright, even if he didn't sire kids as a space marine that's a fucking feat right there.
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What I think many are forgetting here is that I remember there was a whole thing about the 'new human' being really fucking bad and the emporer going out of his way to prevent that, probably why female marines or primarchs were never a thing.

But that's beside the point, the point is, even if we're fertile, should we even make a 'prime human'?
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>>4529107
It regularly updates, the writing is pretty good, and the audience has plenty to discuss. The /qst/ Chapter Master quest is a bit hard to get into, the 40k AI quest needs more frequent updates and exploration outside the starting system, and most of the others are dead.
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Oh, I only just now realized something.
Black powder isn't used just for guns, now is it?
For example, stuff a a hollow ceramic ball with the stuff, seal with wax paper and string and you've got a shrapnel grenade.

A metal shell is also doable but ceramics is easier to produce for the time being.
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>>4529158
It can also be used for rockets and fireworks. We could use fireworks shot into the air to send signals over long distances and rockets have very obvious uses.
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>>4529158
If we get good artillery going we won't even need guns for a while, as long as nobody else has it. There's a lot of potential things we can do with the tech from the pod.
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>>4529158
Combined arms is a major part of space marines and historical tactics, I wouldn't be surprised if we make simple cannon to deal with fortifications. That's assuming gunpowder wins, it looks like the forge and alchemy might be winning, though gunpowder is close. Depends on how many Malal will let us do.

I've talked about how I want industry first so we can skip over simple firearms for cartridge ones, but if people want muskets it'll still be a force multiplier. I feel like it's putting the cart before the horse, logistics win wars, not any single weapon. Germany had the StG44 in WW2 but was using fucking donkeys for logistics
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>>4529168
yeah Rockets are pretty effectives, they were surprisingly used in the napoleon warfare era as artillery pieces and these were basically just explosive fireworks that didn't explode in the air but arced towards the ground.
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>>4528648
I honestly don't recall typing out that word. I think I wanted to write abused but your probably say the same thing anyways.
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>>4529414
>>4529268
>>4529168
>>4528790
>>4528786
Guys what if instead of individual weapons for every soldier, we have company or platoon operated weapons like heavy crank operated Gatling guns, siege artillery catapults launching giant bombs or grenades? Far easier to make and mass produce. Also hand grenades would be fairly simple and easier to have a dozen to every man than a gun.

>>4528754
>>4528751
What that guy said, terrible ergonomics, and poor weapon safety. I'd rather give the guys grenades.
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>>4529524
>What that guy said, terrible ergonomics, and poor weapon safety. I'd rather give the guys grenades.
When I said that, I meant that we would try to strike a balance between ease of production and ease of use.
Something as simple as a proper stock and some design tweaks would result in a very serviceable infantry weapon.
Though if we do ever journey into the realm of automatic weapons anytime soon, I have a personal project I want to pursue. Pic related.
I imagine with conversions and upgrades from the Mechanicus, this thing would become a treasured artifact for our eventual Guardsmen.
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>>4528909
Thots are temporary, the crusade is eternal
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>>4529618
this guy understand.
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Calling the vote

Chemicals:13
Gunpowder:8
Forges:12
Electricity: 4

There's 22 total votes. So I'll combine the winner of chemicals to improve soil and crop yields+ more efficient tools and irrigation, with the runner up of a forger system to allow for easier production of basically anything metal.

Writing the update now
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Tax collector Ling traveled down the road his discovery, the impossibly wise and intelligent farm boy Lieren, had created at such an incredible pace, that the quality was still unbelievable to him even though he has traveled down its beginnings numerous times to collect taxes and tithes in his service to Lord Gao. White stones, lit by seemingly ever burning fires in towers that towered over men, and protected from the wilds and treacherous men alike, by the garrisons and forts that were built along its route at seemingly random junctures and connections. Yet Gao decreed that any order out of that bumpkins mouth would be followed to the exact wording he used.

To a man whose heart only held greed, it was insanity, and yet with his own eyes Ling had seen the prosperity and wealth that the madman's road had produced. Even with his grasping hands and falsely reported crop yields, each village along the road had began to become far wealthier than they had any right to be. They were exchanging goods like merchants would, and propping up their bounty with borrowed wealth. At least that is what it seemed to Ling in the first two years, now it was clear to him that the road did something more than allow the peasants to merely aid their fellows in paying their rightfully owed dues to their lords.

No, it was vastly improving their productivity and lives. He had seen a young man working in a field so far from his home that in prior generations he'd have been given up for lost to the fogs, devoured by some foul creature dwelling within. But now, the youth felt safe enough to work such distant fields, and even wore clothes spun of thread rather than formed from straw, reeds or animal leather. It was like a fever dream, yet it was reality. The bottom of society was thriving! prospering! a famine had just passed and there were already plump children running here and there in these villages upon the roads.

Ling had hoped, as he was sent to collect this season taxes, that he would find some leverage against the Genius Giant of Gao as they were calling him now, some weakness or secret held by the Hero hunter, the ender of hunger and banisher of fog and all the other undeserved titles and honors the common folk were piling upon the upstart. It was almost enough to make Ling scream from sheer frustration and break his carefully maintained façade of unyielding control.

Lieren had come from nothing, and in the time of four years, he had gained such renown and prestige that Gao spoke of introducing him to one of his elder daughters nearly every time his name came up in conversations.

He had managed to cultivate enough face, that Ling had caught the black general himself speaking freely and casually with the upjumped farmer as an equal! The scarlet clad beauty lady Qian herself even lent aid to his simply preposterously ambitious project!
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>>4529781

To make every road in the lands of Gao safe? to connect every village with not only each other, but the cities and lands of the nobility!

Ling had washed his hands of Lieren when he heard rumors of his mad ambitions, and had expected to see his over grown corpse hanging from Gao's palace by three spears. And yet, and yet! the ambitious farmer was far more intelligent than he could have calculated, somehow he had managed to accomplish what would've been a life long project for the wisest and wealthiest of men in but a handful of seasons! in the time it took a child to become a productive worker in the fields!

It was simple madness! it shouldn't have been able to be achieved by anyone, yet alone a man who came from nothing, literally nothing. And yet, every time he traveled these roads set in white stone, he heard more and more songs and stories of this "Legendary figure" Lieren had become. Lord Gao favored him more than Ling himself now, a man who had been in his service, loyal and true for decades! and now all Gao spoke of when speaking of Ling, was why he couldn't bring profit and wealth like Lieren did. When it was his duty to bring the wealth that bumpkin seemingly summoned out of the air to Gao! If he did not know his rung in the ladder of society, Ling would be outraged he was overlooked and tossed aside in favor of the man he himself brought to Gao's attention and service.

It simply wasn't fair! All of his loyalty and accomplishments forgotten simply because some man taller than the rest came, with divine knowledge or hidden sorcery, and began turn starving villages into something with more worth than jade itself! and he got all the credit in Gao's eyes, even though Ling was practically a mentor to the young man once! It was simply unfair, simply unfair.

And that is why, when Ling had heard and saw that the damnable giant with eyes like the setting sun and hair like wrought Iron had not been seen at the forefront of the labor force to finish the "Great Road of the Giant" as the "White Dragon's path" started to approach Gao's own castle, the tax collector had been overjoyed. Surely he'd be able to find something to blackmail the administrator of lands with.

Some weakness, or vice, or secret that he could threaten to expose, to once again be in favor at court. By the Giant's side, but at least he would not be forgotten and one day lose his head for acting as he had for years! But, no, of course the Giant was not idle, Lieren did not allow himself any pleasures or rest. It was like he was one of those monks from Dai, reborn. As Ling had traveled down the road towards Nothing, the center of seemingly all trade and conversation in the lands of Gao it seemed nowadays.

He had seen magic, sorcery! Miracles preformed by common farmers. Vials filled with potions and elixirs poured and stirred into soil, powder dusted over the rows of produce and mixed into the waters of the rice paddies.
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>>4529783

Ling had half a mind to ride back and inform his master a cult had sprung up in the recesses of his lands, the thought came to his mind when he saw barrels of water being contaminated with a maroon liquid and then poured over crops. And then he saw how the crops flourished, how bountiful and large they grew. Larger and more plentiful than ever before. Squashes so large they could be used as chairs, Roots and Tubers that grew in such quantities and size it seemed most villages were over flowing with them, stalks of lesser grain that grew taller than men.

And this was not in one village or two, but all those along the road, within riding distance from one that was within riding distance from another that traded with Nothing. And that was not the only miracle Ling saw in the fields, men wielded hoes, picks, rakes and shovels of a metal of far finer quality than any his personal guard wielded. Even to his eyes, that lacked knowledge of iron and steel and any other metal, knew they were of equal or greater quality to that which even Lord Gao's thousand guards themselves were armed with.

And simple farmers were using it to tend their fields, their tools in shapes he had never seen before, beasts of burden dragging claws and spirals of steel over the land, wrecking and tearing up the earth that was then administrated with the alchemical concoctions that seemed to be in no short supply in any of these farming villagers. It certainly seemed effective, from how much work he observed one man accomplish in but a few hours, but that steel could be used for weapons and armors! enough for perhaps the whole of Gao's army, not just his guard force.

Tax collector Ling had thought that this was his key back into Gao's graces and into the manor Lieren was building himself from the wealth of his employer and lord's wealth and generosity. Until, in one villager nearer to Nothing, he saw a construction of a strange smithy and forge, with plates with shapes of these new forms of tools embedded in them, and troughs of molten metal flowing to produce them in a moment. Another Miracle, some kind of court given gift, a blessing from the heavens. No forge could burn so brightly it could entirely melt metal to the point it could be pour like water. At least none that Ling knew of, and admittedly he was unlearned in the subject of metallurgy.

And when he asked the blacksmith in charge of the forge, how he came to such knowledge, hoping he had found another piece of jade in manure and refuse, he instead found his hopes dashed and his anger ignited. Lieren, my lord, Wise Lieren of the wilds, he came and taught me to build this forge, helped me do it, and then he continued on, of course.

Ling nearly had the man's head taken then and there, but restrained himself, knowing how foolish it would be to attack a man who Lieren himself clearly saw value in, to give him such a technological wonder.
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>>4529781
HA! SUCK IT LING, YOU NEEEEERD!
It brings me untold amounts of joy to listen to this mans frustration and rage.
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>>4529785

So he left that village, and continued deeper into the Giant's road.
And, he saw more of the same forges, vaster and more equipped than the first, churning out high quality tools from nothing but trash iron.


"Jade from nothing" Ling snarled as he looked over the latest shipment of goods, adding a note his ledger, listing the wonders he saw and his advice to heighten taxes in answer to such wealth and bounty, He was sure Gao would appreciate a gift of one of the titanic squashes when he returned, perhaps he could ask Lieren to make a new blade for Gao with the techniques he had discovered from the air itself apparently.

The tax collector was certain, there would be no more surprises in his journey forward.

And then, he saw, in the villages closest to Nothing, surrounding it a miracle beyond all else. Lieren, that giant of the lands, that wise man among wise men, the towering tree from which fruits of jade were born, had done something even more unbelievable that forging tools in moments, or enchanting the fields to create a feast from every seed planted with in them.

In orchards of fruit trees and bushes, strange black tubes like snakes webbed through their branches, and would produce rain just above the earth. Tunnels were dug through the land, carrying water from distant streams and rivers. But those tubes, of a mysterious substance, cold to the touch, were wonderous. They'd be a center piece in any noble's menagerie, a magical object that could summon rain upon command. And it was being used in farming, in growing fruit trees! Ling was shocked, perhaps Lieren was more foolish than he had thought.

He was using Miracles to feed farmers and grow crops, when he could be using them to gain great wealth in giving these same miracle devices to the nobility! Ling even though he saw one old man bathing with a tube of steel that spewed water forth, steaming water! But Ling had passed that off as a mere hallucinations, as his mind was not prepared to deal with the implications that Lieren could some how conjure already heated water from the soil.

As Ling road down the road of white stone, towards is start point, he saw more miracles, passed from Lieren's hands. Children saved from the brink of death by fever with a strange drink, elderly farmers given a white capsule and suddenly working as if they were not pained by the ravages of age.

Lieren had brought heavenly gifts to peasants, and Ling couldn't tattle to his master of it, for these wonders would reach him the moment the road was finished. It was aggravating, infuriating. Any one of the multitude of miracles he had seen along the road, would destroy any other man, But Lieren, ever the clever beast, had ensured his hide would remain unlashed, by allowing these secrets to spread.

Truly, a fearsome man and savvy politician. He had carved a niche for himself, and given himself an anchor from which he could not be removed.
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>>4529791

For any who spoke ill of him would be executed by Gao, for he had done as he had promised. He had done the impossible. In but four years, a handful of seasons, Lieren of Nothing had turned the land into a field of jade and prosperity.

And soon, Ling thought as he fanned himself, soon Gao would have no need of an aging tax collector like me


Unless he could enter Lieren's good graces once more, and thus Gao's! or if Gao were to be...replaced. Lieren was a far more merciful man than Gao, perhaps, with the right strings pulled, These could be the lands of...whatever family Name Lieren would give himself, and Ling could peacefully continue his work, under a man who owes all he is to him. Oh what a thought, but Ling, every cowardly, could not dream of challenging Gao. if he even thought to do so, his death would be slow and agonizing.

Death by a thousand cuts, devoured by sparrows, fed to serpents, boiled alive in oil, trapped in a barrel of honey and fruit until vermin devour him alive. No, no, any with the ambition to challenge Gao, outside of Lord Yan, ever may his glory shine, would be mad, simply mad.

"Onwards men, let us see what wonder Administrator Lieren has waiting for us in his own home
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"So, we boil this bean briefly and it creates a drinkable stimulant?" You ask as one of the merchants, a stout man who looks to be of vishnu stock nods and rubs his hands together

"Yes yes, the leaf of this tree is quite prized across the lands of not only the Yan kingdom, but across Shangrala, from the city states of the vishnu, to the deserts of the Bask, to even the temples of the Shuni" The merchant says, gesturing his arms and hands around in wild dramatics "It is hard to produce, since it requires years, no decades for one tree to mature enough to produce any sizeable yield of beans, but recently in the heartland of Yan, such farms, high in the hills and looow in the valleys have grown old and tall enough to..."

"Lieren, the worm Ling has returned once again, with but fifteen men at his command" Feng calls out as Zian looks up and laughs at how the tax collector is spoken of

"Oh how the mighty fall" He says, his eyes smiling under his mask "and I have seen lord Gao partake in the liquid, it tastes foul, but is stronger than tea"

"Hmm, perhaps it could be of use among workers and farmers" You say, scratching your chin and nodding, your long iron colored hair tied into a bun and styled into small locks and braids, to give you a "dignified" look as Zian described it. You think its all just a waste of time "but I suppose I should meet with Tax collector Ling"
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>>4529794

How do you Deal with Ling, Lieren
>As usual, give him what Nothing owes, and pepper it with gifts to quiet his suspicions
> Invite him to dine with you and yours and heighten his paranoia of being disposed of by Gao
>No doubt he has seen the "miracles" you created, so convince him that all of them are harmless
>Ling has lost Gao's favor and he disgusts you. Quietly dispose of him and replace his men with your own to deliver Gao's taxes.
> Write in?
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>>4529796
>let him take his taxes as he normally does, and when he leaves send a rider along with the true amounts taken from the village for lord Gao. The corrupt tax man will be dead and we shall gain favour for rating him out.maybe even replace him with a loyal and less corrupt taxman.
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>>4529796
> Invite him to dine with you and yours and heighten his paranoia of being disposed of by Gao
Smart of him to be scared of being disposed, tax collectors are easily replaceable in medieval times when "tax collecting" is basically a protection racket.

Let's give way to our schadenfreude plan and heighten his paranoia.
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>>4529796
>Backlog all taxes taken from "nothing", then show them to Lord Gao. This audit will expose that Lord Gao's taxes have been undercut by Ling.
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>>4529801
For this plan, give him a sizable amount of gifts and the rider can carry out letter claiming it stole.

After all, nobody steals from their lord without consequence
And from our own town no less?
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>>4529807
Oh that's even better. The massive numbers will make Gai even more furious, even if the undercutting was only a few dollar equivalents each time.
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>>4529801
Sounds like a waste, honestly. We can deal with giving him a few more scraps, but it would be smarter to find a way to make him more useful.

I mean, what do we gain from this? Some favour? What would we use it for? And a less corrupt taxman? It's not like we're lacking wealth.
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>>4529794
Coffee? heresy to the true tea drinking loyalists.

But seriously, watching that worm ling writhe on the proverbial hook is glorious.

>>4529796
>>4529801
I support letting this fool hang himself. We might even be able to request Gao let us reinvigorate his tax and administration system, which would put all supplies in these lands directly into our hands.
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>>4529821
A less corrupt tax man loyal to us, and letting us rework his tax system, putting us in even greater control of the lands of Gao.
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>>4529829
Makes sense, i suppose.

Though i still feel like we have to get to military development soon.
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>>4529796
>> Invite him to dine with you and yours and heighten his paranoia of being disposed of by Gao

I would like to see this man wiggle.
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>>4529839
The man who pays you is the man you follow. watching Gaos army turn on him would be amazing.

>>4529845
I suppose we could do both, dinner and watch him hang himself. It is too late to give back what he has stolen.

And to think, this is the product of 4 years of carefully managed anger finally getting an outlet, a sadistic civil dinner knowing what shit our guest is going to step into and helping him along.
Liren is scary when you piss him off.
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>>4529796

>>4529801
Eh...
He is cowardly and while he thinks of treason he backtracked fast.
Might be of use to us. Magnet to the people we ought to purge once he has gotten nice and fat on friendly gifts from dubious parties.
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>>4529847
Alright bro, sounds good.
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>>4529801
support
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>>4529839
Gao is just a notable province of one of the major empires on the world. Tax may or may not be contingent on central policy.
>>4529847
>The man who pays you
Gao pays the army through his treasury.
Do not make the same mistake a lot of people make when listening to demagogues claiming that we the people are the government.
This is of the same family. Gao pays the army and until we are in charge of the treasury there is no relevant distinction between the two.
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>>4529858
That was the proposition. that we use this new post to gain control of the treasury as we would need to deal with it to sort out his economic systems.

Gao without his treasury is Gao without his army. Gao without treasury, favour of the people, army or grace of the nobility is the man with no power to stop us taking over.
We have the favour of the low born, now we seek to take his treasury and let our inventions steal the grace of the high born.
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>>4529847
Im ok with doing both as well.

Dinner and dropping him in the shit.
Unless by some miracle he managed to redeem himself over the course of a meal (lol right)
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And an errant thought. If the Emperor comes in his "complete stranger guise" and demands we submit to him, then alongside philosophy and mandatory combat related test, we could also go along the lines of "I am Lieren of Nothing for I have made Jade of this world as if from thin air. Do the same within a year to meet or surpass my own creations and I will submit to you."

I'd be really interested in what the emperor could conjure up in a month, let alone a year.
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>>4529890
If Leiren keeps up his restraint and doesnt ever kill a human being himself, he can also trick emps a little.


I doubt hell manage that though.
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>>4529903
trick emps with what?

And we've already wiped out bandit clans
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>>4529796
> Invite him to dine with you and yours and heighten his paranoia of being disposed of by Gao
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>>4529904
Ah I forgot about that, and the idea was that L did all his shit without killing another human, which in a super corrupt world would be a go to thing for someone as rutheless as emps, and not something he would expect us to do considering our bent towards aggression.

Ah well.
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>>4529904
>>4529907
Also the Toad Dragon by technicality
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>>4529909
I don't think abominations count as people anymore really. Especially when their minds are lost.
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>>4529907
Pretty sure we can class that as self defense, so your idea could have merit.
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>>4529796
>> Invite him to dine with you and yours and heighten his paranoia of being disposed of by Gao
Hmmmmmm. Two points:
1: We desire that the people of this world have prosperity and no longer have lives of shit. That will eventually mean that our creations and policies spread across the globe, however the Heavenly Court will either hamper the efforts(viewing it as a challenge to their authority) or outright refuse for the same reason. Because of this, we will eventually have to depose them, with the exception of any virtuous ones that we find, who could give us their blessing to rule the world in all but name.
2. Gao will eventually try to off us simply because he either suspects we will try to take the throne from him or be3cuase he is easily fooled by anyone not high on pleasures at the moment.
3. If Gao dies before pint 2 becomes relevant, then a son or other male relation of his(or even someone appointed by Yan) will take the throne and likely view us as a threat to his rule or an eyesore due to making him feel inadequate.
In summation, war for the land of Gao is all but inevitable. If we can make it happen publicly on Gao's terms, but in reality on our terms, we can prepare for it and more people will view us as acting in self defense and Gao as being incompetent for not removing some upjumpt bumpkin.

On another note, I believe I have figured out Lieren's niche with the Primarchs. While Dorn builds up a planet's infrastructure, and Guilliman creates an efficient bureaucracy, we raise up the planets lowest common denominator. If radioactive hellholes weakest members can have predictable food everyday, dont have to fear predators or common ailments and have transportation to other settlements without fear, due to roads and armaments being available to all, that is a vital improvement. This can also be applied to a more advanced world whose major populace have little to nothing. Improving their lot exponentially benefits that of the planet. If you threw the tree aforementioned Primarchs and a deathworld, gave them a blank check and gave them 5 years tops, they would turn it into a jewel of the Imperium.
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>>4529922
A fair idea about our niche. But how does it apply to the war effort?

And are you also in support of the "Watch the worm hang itself" plan?
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>>4529924
Its quite easy i think. Rich worlds can give more resources, like people or goods
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>>4529796
>> Invite him to dine with you and yours and heighten his paranoia of being disposed of by Gao
Ling will be the maker of his own misery soon enough.
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>>4529796
> Invite him to dine with you and yours and heighten his paranoia of being disposed of by Gao
If we can make a decent person out of Ling, now would be the time to try.
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>>4529931
We really can't. Any action he takes now is to cover his ass or get in our favor so that he can continue to exploit and steal from the peasantry
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>>4529924
In regards to the war effort, it expedites the planet towards being a net contributor to the Imperium. With the exception of the worst agricultural cases, these worlds will not have to import food, diminishing the logistical strain of the crusade. The armed populace will mean that if there is a sudden incursion of orcs, the world can fend for itself, or at least until help arrives. With the acquired love of the populace, if the elites attempt to rebel, the peasants will be unlikely to side with them and instead attempt to rip them from power. All of this is to say nothing of how we conduct war, but merely a philosophy for the war. Corvus Corax hated tyrants and sought to free people from their oppression, and his style of combat was guerilla warfare. Vulkan cared for the citizens of the Imperium and specialized in pyro weaponry. Our method of war does not always have to perfectly mirror our entire philosophy on it. There is also the fact that even if somthing horrible like, oh I dont know, a galactic civil war(would never happen), after its over , worlds built by us would have more of their foundation intact, helpeing them rebuild, unless they were catastrophically destroyed.

As for the taxman, he is an idiot. If he runs back to Gao trying to get him to turn against us, he will either fail and die, or succeed and either die during the war due to his idiocy or be executed by us after the war. Unless he grows a few brain cells, he will be the instrument of his own downfall.
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>>4529922
That's interesting, but i don't know what's quite the difference between "infrastructure", "bureaucracy" and "improving life".

I mean, isn't what we've done just infrastructure? You know, roads, towers, better production, that kind of stuff.
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>>4529940
Fair enough in regards to the crusade aspect.

As for the tax man, I'd argue it is better to replace him now and get another friend in power rather than kill him after the fact, because we'd put it off that long that he'd get forgotten about.
And what's more, from a character perspective, there is no harm done for getting rid of him and no gain from letting him go about as he does. His stealing is [slightly/not so slightly] hampering the people we are helping after all. With greater gains he takes bigger shares and gives misinformation to make our system run poorly.
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>>4529950
Infrastructure is logistics.
Bureaucracy is decision making.
Both are required for improving life.
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>>4529955
That's not exactly a niche, though. Like, what's something that we could do that Rogal Dorn or Guilliman couldn't?
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>>4529958
It could very well be giving a shit. Perhaps it's being a fantastic judge of character, which is not something which all primarchs are good at, but then again maybe these people are just bad at hiding their intentions.

Guilliman can micromanage a fleet and macro manage the imperium by himself.
Our niche may very well be in deligation/more local effeciency. This is just speculation, you understand.
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>>4529958
If we are an anti-Immaterium measure created by the Emperor like people suspect then we are likely required to be well-rounded. Like think about how Chaos operates and the sort of threat enemy psykers pose, then think about the sort of skill set we need to deal with that.
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>>4529922
>>4529955
Bureaucracy is inherently a growing tumor that gets trimmed only in times of crisis and strife.

Communication and Transportation on the other hand are things that should be constructed, preferably private and with no monopoly.

The other option towards making the population more predisposed to the imperium from now would be a pseudo-religion. we cant do proper religion due to emps... but there is one pseudo-religion that we could simply import, especially if we find something like excalibur or crown of vishnu or whatever, is to go with something like an adopted version of the Resol'nare of the Mandos. Suitably philosophy instead of religion. Totally, swear on me mum, fingers crossed and all that.

what was it... yeah the rhyme of it:
Education and armor,
Self-defense, our tribe,
Our language and our leader
All help us survive.

Make it a expansionist culture that enforces its own homogeneity by having people adhere to its tenets or get booted.

Hey, its not a religion! its just a culture! one that we could sprinkle throughout the imperial army, and simply yank said imperial army out of any potential heretical brother.
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>>4530006
>Communication and Transportation on the other hand are things that should be constructed, preferably private and with no monopoly.
I agree, but leaving channels of communication unmonitored when we're conflicted with a memetic scourge is a very dangerous proposition.
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>>4530028
unmonitored is going to be most communication once you get past a certain point, and get something like the internet, then you can not monitor for content. not really. you can trace it and with a lot of dubious effort you can marginalize it as seen atm by what alphabet and others did via algorithms.

Still, content policing is pretty much impossible, considering we are dealing with a potential realized memetic hazard as they made out the altright neo notsees pipeline to be, and that one would be worse than a hydra to try and decapitate.

better to just see the effect immediately, quarantine the area immediately full blackout, trace the problem and then purge it all.

something like the Resolnare or Imperial Creed acts as organic defense against it and is imho the only real protection. complete surveillance / panopticon is impossible once you are a civilized or hive or forge world.
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>>4530028
> memetic scourge
Chaos is only a memetic threat in certain scenarios.
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>>4530041
>>4530042
I don't like spying on people but it's better to be safe than sorry when Nurgle and Slaanesh are afoot.
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I just realized there is a way to completely steal economic control from Gao. We print our own money, well kinda. We need to set up a system where we exchange favors and printed IOUs and use that to supplant the current currency system. Since our work is valuable, an IOU from us is easily worth our weight in gold.
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>>4530041
The usual way to do it would be to compartmentalize it, and then force everyone to use IDs restricted to individuals. It'll not stop everything, but it'll repress enough that its possible to get a handle on.
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>>4530051
without serious AI bullshit magic you cant do it.
Also, spies getting corrupted.

have a protocol when weird shit is happening. Psykers and psykerservitors that detect warp shenanigans and rituals and drop a stormtrooper company with a blank or two on it and you have probably the top tier planetary defense against warp shenanigans that is not Sol or Astartes level - and as we get astartes we can have a few librarians do the watching for shit and guiding the other psykers.

that is the way to do it.

less complete surveillance and more precrime but warpshit and they dont come to arrest people but with a full kill company that disappears everyone in black vans and black vtols.

also, if you want the normals to be somewhat useful, and in fact bump everything to even better, get fucking blanks. this can not be overemphasized enough.
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>>4530070
doubt.
warpshenanigans changed circuitry to make things more chaosy and make safeguards disappear.

psyker divination and killteams with demon banishers with force weapons as well as blanks are the answer.
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>>4530072
>>4530078
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Noosphere
Also we could just limit computers to official business only.
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lore audio aids from the whiny snownigger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BTMduQHV4M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCssuXfaL9E

tl;dr blanks are fucking awesome. get as many as you can. also no, blanks can not become astartes, as astartes are slightly psybullshit and blanks go lolnope with that. Blanks could be made into Eversors as that augmentation involves no psyshit, but why the fuck would you do that? Even if you don't go a temple route cybernetics augmentations can get you pretty high up in survivability, and you dont need your very very rare blank to be a berserker, just a very tanky mobile debuff aura.
Stick him in power armour and cyber him up with autosanguine, subdermal armour, and all the other cyberware that boosts survival and just keep him near the warptaint, while psykers throw psypowers or try to forceweapon the demon out of existence.

Or have a culexus that can permakill a demon.

>>4530084
Noosphere is Mars level bullshit. we are not getting that. no one not of the admech gets that.

chaos cults are a fact of life post heresy, and pre heresy you can at best prepare for a warp demon incursion because reasons, and have some divination as well as psy active or psy dampening killteams at the ready to drop in from orbit on any problem spot to crush a ritual before it is done.

as future astartes world we can have said killteams be of astartes neophytes or scouts or whatever, and have them work out how to operate as strike teams supporting local armed forces or leos.
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>>4530099
You can make astartes into blanks, by the way.
Grey knights [because of course] have a small sect that tend to their fallen brothers bodies who are blanks.
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>>4530103
YES!!!
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>>4529796
Backing this >>4529807
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>>4530099
are blanks and Pariahs the same thing? Would it not be better to make Culexus like blanks since their life expectancy is longer?

>>4529807
support
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>>4530103
... I am happy with some blanks as chapter serfs or auxillia on permanent retainer paid fuckoff money, and other perks, preferably a few pairs of them to start a breeding program. Or cloning program. or simply just rejuvenant them as long as we can and get replacements.

anything really.

Since we are not the Sigilite i doubt we will do shit that rivals the Temples or the Grey Knights. But we dont havel to. blank mortals auged to hell and back should be enough as they would only need to be nearby and not directly engage.

the first step would be get one blank for the legion, then one for each chapter and one for each company, as retainer. That gets to become very expensive.

I dont think we could go past on blank per chapter equivalent formation without production of blanks. Problem is of course blank production of any kind means we and all associated with it are on the shitlist of almost all psyker organisations - so, there are pros and there are cons to going with that.

On the other hand, having mortal auxilia that has just one regimental blank for every regiment would be a massive fucking thing. It would ensure that the brass is not chaosy, and that said blanks can be concentrated in the most hard hitting regimental combat force if they need to be actively deployed.

But again, as soon as primarch is gone, hell even with the primarch active, most navigator houses and astropaths will fuck with our forces and holdings on general principle.

trying to become grey knights is going to be hard, very hard. but having the building blocks to do something similar on a legion scale with our various auxilia is more than possible.

Just a question of what we want to trade off. As seen above, lots of blanks means all the interstellar travel guides and interstellar living phones kind of hate us. Other such trades exist as well.
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>>4530124
Culexus is one of the pinnacle of what a Blank can be. The other two peak blank potentials are to be a Sister of Silence (only grills allowed ) is to pilot a warlord titan of the Legio Sinister who are psytitans piloted by only one blank princeps, that have slaved psykerservitors inside them - experimenting with that was banned by the emps a long time ago.


There are of course also Necron Pariahs, blank humans harvasted then cyberauged and boosted by the necrons into slavish obedience but we shant talk of such xeno cyberabominations.
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>>4530099
Blanks and Pariah are different tiers of bullshit. Pariah are the soul eating abominations used to make Culexus assassins. Blanks just have an anti-warp aura.
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>>4530136
difference in the scale of power.

I am fine with either of them. Blanks are just fine imho. I prefer we get more blanks than one pariah. the issue is coverage.
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>>4530136
We beat the shit out of those psyker organizations. Fuck having to search the galaxy for the one in a billion. Cloning tech all the way.
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>>4530141
headsploding punch and kick the navigator and astropath will get Big E and pretty much the whole imperium elite a might bit pissed at us.
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>>4530147
you assume literally?
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>>4530150
Facetiously it is funny. But its kind of the same tier.

We personally as a primarch are part of the imperial household. If we fuck with vassals its going to be politics knives behind the curtains gallore, not to mention Magnus... Although... We could use magnus and his legion as chewing toy to test fighting against warp "xenos"...
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>>4530172
There is also the fact that even though we are part of the Emperor's household, we are still his subjects. The admech, navigators and other such groups, while swearing fealty to the Emperor, were granted special dispensations. If we attempt to overrule the autonomy that they were given, we would be going against the will of the Emperor and thus have no justification to stand on other than "I want it".
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>>4530202
i mean blank cloning or breeding are, technically not dabbling in psytech per se, just skirting the edges.
Of course that can be argued that it is the dabbling of psytech by creating such mutants, never mind that the one trying said argument would be mutants themselves, but they were sanctioned and further psytech research was axed.
But this is not technically research now is it?
At any rate the only one who can bypass imperial decrees except the emprah is the sigilite, so we would need the approval of one of the two either way. somehow. even for that.
To fight warp 'xenos' even if we wont be building grey knights just having low level blanks sprinkled in our auxilia, and if we can make some pseudophilosophy and totally not a religion that can gain widespread adoption in the imperial army, combine those two... and well, our influence need not end with our legion.

I would go for killteams for the legion specialization to compliment the whole idea with surprise astartes butsecs on a human tide filled with various other specialists, but i would prefer we focus on what they already did on terra and adapt to that if they were successful.

hmh. if we could get a knight house that would be even more viable. let the knights be the shock troopers, the normies the doomcarpet behind them and the astartes the banhammer on any surprise.
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>>4530233
Knight worlds get sword directly to the imperium or mechanicus, trying to gain control of one as a legion will be a major overstep politically.

Which is sad, because I love my giant chivalry robots
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>>4530258
*get sworn, not get sword
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>>4530264
>>4530258
I did hear of knight worlds sworn to legions/chapters.

I think its more along the lines of first come first serve with addendums for how the diplo rolls go for both parties attempting to woo the other.

The issue is that Astarte's are unlikely to meet knights. A proper knightly house can concentrate ands put out more firepower than an Astarte's chapter and depending on how big the house rival smaller legions. So for knight house its kind of a bad deal to swear to a legion instead pof admech or imperium as they already are adeptus non by default, so no tithe beyond providing knights.
A legion cant compete with the two twin empires, unless they pull of something marvelous to make the house more predisposed to the astartes and say no to the better deal imperium or admech can offer.

Because a legion sure as shit will lose those bidding wars.
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>>4530280
I've certainly seen models painted to fit with people's space marine army, but as far as I know that doesn't happen in any official lore. Maybe a freeblade has, but that's a far cry from an entire house
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>>4530300
>>4530280
What if we work as a main liaison between a Knight World and the Imperium? Like a sponsor or something?
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>>4530375
We'll be away too often during the crusade for that to be effective. If we'd landed on a knight world or space age one near a knight world, I could see an argument for them remaining in our charge.

GC era legion weaponry is strong enough that we don't really need knights. If we specialize in combined arms or armored assaults we could have fleets of Mastadons and tanks capable of puttign out the same firepower just with more boring vehicles
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>>4530391
I personally am more interested in improving the imperial guard and solar auxilia. More efficient cost:firepower ration for weapons, same more Carapace & flak grade armor, and cooperation rolls between guards and astartes, with the astartes filling in the rolls of battlefield commanders or something.
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>>4530400
I mentioned this when we were making legion colors, but we are very similar to the Mentor chapter. Considering the 2nd and 11th legion were mixed with the Ultramarines, it's entirely possible that the Mentors are a 2nd legion successor.

I like the idea of our legion's role in the crusade being combined arms and interacting with normal soldiers. Having an armored supersoldier mixed into regiments to be the first through the door would greatly increase IG effectiveness, not to mention how it would help morale. Astartes could fill a role similar to the commissar, providing advice to the commanders and leading from the front
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>>4530414
It would also greatly help relations between regular humans and Astartes if they actually fought side by side regularly.
I'm sure the Emperor isn't a fan of the public's opinions about his premiere fighting force.
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If you guys want giant mechs why not make them.
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>>4530442
Each titan takes years to make and decades to make a legion plus all it's required infastructure, ignoring the mechanicus monopoly on them and their construction secrets.

Knights are similar, and fit only for human pilots Who've prepared their entire lives to pilot them.
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>>4530442
>If you guys want giant mechs why not make them.
By all means if we can we probably will. The only objections I think we'll receive might be from the Mechanicum.

>>4530443
If we're lucky and advance our tech far enough before the Emperor finds us, perhaps we could get away with some innovation where we make astartes sized titans.
Who needs Dreadnaughts when you can put fallen brothers in fucking KNIGHTS?!
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>>4530446
We call those dreadnaughts.

But I don't get what you mean when you say "Astartes sized titans" given titans are explicitly powerful due to their size and hence the ship grade weapons they can mount and use.

If you mean robot soldiers, Pert has some of those. As do the mechanicus, though the name of their division escapes me at the moment.
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>>4530446
We could make a less retarded dreadknight.
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>>4530461
You mean one which actually covers your only helmeted head and legs?
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>>4530141
Cloning doesn't work that good in 30k or 40k. You effectively have one soul split across multiple bodies and that fucks with people. Better to just engineer an abhuman population with higher than average numbers via direct engineering or breeding.
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>>4530451
A Dreadnaught isn't as large and powerful as a knight.

>>4530459
>>4530461
exactly. Less retarded would be ideal.

>>4530466
They're able to do it with the pariah's, so it seems to work well enough before the Horus Heresy.
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>>4530464
Better?
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>>4530472
Yes, but not what I mean.
Take this Picture >>4530461 and cover the head in armour, then where you see his power armours legs, put armour over that.

Perfection.
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>>4530466
>Better to just engineer an abhuman population with higher than average numbers via direct engineering or breeding
We could also just try and preserve the lineage of the Sensei. They seem to have plenty of potential as Psykers, and I imagine they'd be grateful to us if we saved them from persecution by the Inquisition.
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>>4530466
How's that work for blanks, I don't think they have souls? I know that the Culexus Temple breed and clone blanks, but they could have a terrible success rate

That does explain why the Afriel Strain soldiers are so unlucky. I figured it had something to do with the warp. It'd be funny to see how clones of Ciaphas Cain dealt with terrible luck and their massive imposter syndrome

>>4530451
How do dreadnaughts compare to armigers on the tabletop? I think someone worked out how they're better than standard dreads but weaker than the rare dreads
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>>4530481
No clue man, I'm a lorefag.
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>>4530481
Armiger's are the little brothers to the knight titans.
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>>4530492
they're still pretty cool though, I honestly prefer them to boxnaughts. Makes more sense to have vaguely humanoid suits like armigers and contemptor dreads
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We really need a new thread.
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>>4530583
Yeah, it's about time. Malal should probably think about bundling the next update with it too.
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>>4530583
I have to agree, it's starting to take time to load it even on an computer
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>>4530583
>>4530589
>>4530590
I wanna see how many posts we can get it to if we keep posting until it gets archived.
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>>4530607
I think 2200 is respectable enough. We're gonna loose traction if we keep going until the wheels fall off.
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>>4530607
Not worth it. Malal should just archive and make a new thread.
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>>4530607
Under 9000
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>>4530616
Why?
>>4530619
Rookie numbers, anon.
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>>4530607
Not a good idea. While /qst/ threads seem to last a tad longer, I know a lot of other boards have a max replies that starts to delete/hide shit and we could lose part of the quest if it isn't archived soon.
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>>4530627
This, we shouldn't take the danger.

Malal should probably make a new thread.
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>>4530623
It becomes a pain for anyone catching up to go through a thousand posts, and it can make your browser laggy or slow to load with a thread so large. It might discourage future players from joining or trying to catch up.
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>>4530661
Celebrate this thread anon, as these are rare.
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>>4530661
>It can make your browser laggy or slow to load with a thread so large
Yeah this happened to me when I was trying to read the quest but its okay, the lag is bearable.
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>>4530892
Try reading sticky threads during election time similar stick threads, over a thousand posts ever hour or so.
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great thread with good writing.
hoping for more.
Thanks Malal!
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Calling the vote, archiving thread, making a new one. Hope all of you have enjoyed the first thread. I know I had fun writing it

Get Ling executed cause fuck Ling: 7
Make Ling a Paranoid Wreck:7

So Lieren will make Ling Fear his demise and then cause it, Writing the next thread starters
>>4531109
Thanks
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>>4531135
Let's hope the next one's just as long.
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>>4531135
You still there?
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>>4531252
>>4531177
Yep

new thread here to anyone still in the old thread: >>4531257
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can someone achieve this so we can preserve a great quest?
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>>4533252
I have, did when I made the new thread



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