"Alright then Monica. Let's go. I'll tell you everything I know about Zouken and his magecraft when we get to he apartment with the other person I have working on this for me." As much as you would like to spend some time messing around with Monica, time really is of the essence at this point, and you don't want to leave Gray waiting either.

"Oh? You have somebody else on the mission already?" Monica sounds interested in this development.

"Yeah, you remember that girl we uh... 'liberated' from that village? She's actually one of the stronger people in the Mage's Association now. In fact, I doubt that anyone there is capable of surviving her strongest attack." Honestly, there's not even that many actual Servants that could survive a full power Rhongomyniad head on. Heracles as Berserker... maybe? But then again, you're pretty certain you remember hearing that a full power Excalibur would've shredded all his lives in a single blow, so maybe not even him. Gilgamesh could survive though, simply by stacking dozens of Noble Phantasm shields and heavily relying on his armor.

"Her... strongest attack?" Monica sounds intrigued by that. That Gray has an attack that you consider strong enough to be a threat to literally everyone in the Mage's Association. Of course, there are some people that could likely overwhelm it with their own attacks, but even Zelretch or Aoko would surely perish if they were caught off guard and hit by the energy of Rhongomyniad. A battle of glass cannons, naturally.

"That's right, an A++ Rank Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm. You didn't think all that talk about her being King Arthur's descendant was just for effect, did you? She's really very strong... If a little bit inexperienced." It's hilarious just how much better a weapon Rhongomyniad is compared to Excalibur. Not only is Rhongomyniad comparable if not greater in strength, it also ranks up your parameters AND can turn you into a Divine Spirit if you overuse it... Well, that last part may not exactly be beneficial in most cases, especially when the Divine Spirit you become is very much not 'you'. If Gray or Arturia could access the power of the divinity held within the spear without succumbing to it, then they would without a doubt be more than capable of destroying a majority of the threats that you face. Even Gilgamesh would have some difficulty defeating the true power of Rhongomyniad... Though he would likely manage it anyway, unless his arrogance prevented him from using his full strength against her. Then again, if he were up against an actual Goddess and not Saber, then you doubt he'd hold back, so probably best to shelve that idea. Especially because you have no idea if it would even be possible to have Saber or Gray retain their personality upon becoming a true Divine Spirit. Then there's the issue of actually keeping them maintained in the world. Divine Spirits are even more difficult to keep manifested in the world than Heroic Spirits are, after all.

"She was... hiding that kind of firepower?" Monica sounds bewildered at the idea of the small innocent looking girl hiding such destructive power, an A++ rank Noble Phantasm is seriously no joke, after all. It's the sort of thing that could destroy a good chunk of the Clocktower if she was to decide doing such a thing was necessary. Outside of Avalon or maybe an exceptional defensive Noble Phantasm on the level of Akhilleus Kosmos, there's really nothing that could defend against it other than something of equal destructive power like Excalibur, and you doubt that a Dragon Ball style beam clash would be healthy for the structural integrity of the building.

"She still is, actually. It's only thanks to a little bit of research on my part that I found out about that particular ability of hers at all. In truth, I believe she quite dislikes actually using the Noble Phantasm." The true function of Add isn't one that Gray would really reveal lightly to anyone, and it's only thanks to your knowledge about her that you already had that you are aware of the actual strength she possesses. Though even without the use of Rhongomyniad, Gray is no joke. Add is still a pretty exceptional weapon by itself, having been created by a first class Magus like Morgan la Fay. Who should at least be at about the level of a Grand Caster considering her ability to oppose Merlin. Speaking of Merlin, if you ever meet the Magus of Flowers, you're going to need to berate him for his complete failure to stop Cath Palug from becoming Primate Murder. Though it hardly makes any sense that Cath Palug, a cat, was tied into being Primate Murder, a dog or wolf. Nasu probably just thought it would be a cool tie in to his older works or something. It doesn't actually make any sense at all to tie in Primate Murder as Cath Palug of all damn things. Why couldn't he have just made it Fenrir, like a sensible person would have? "But we really ought to get going, Monica, we'll need to discuss the actual specifics of the operation and about Zouken's abilities with Gray, so we can actually delegate what will need doing properly."

"Very well, lead the way, Shinji." Monica follows you out of her office after locking up the place, and the two of you end up making some small talk as you catch a cab back to the hotel you and Giselle booked.

When you walk into the lobby of the hotel, you notice that Gray has arrived before you, and is waiting patiently for your arrival. She perks up when she notices your arrival, and in a wordless exchange, she begins following you and Monica into an elevator.

Monica taps her foot impatiently as the elevator rises. "I never liked these damn things, always afraid they might short circuit and plummet to the ground." Whereas other magi might hate the idea of automated elevators on the idea that they are just another example of technology and scientific principles taking the world over, Monica's dislike of them is far more practical. For somebody who specializes in electric and magnetic based magecraft like her, then something like an elevator would probably feel very uncomfortable to ride in, knowing that she's only one accidental use of her magecraft away from causing the damn thing to plummet downwards out of control.

"You should have said something, Monica. Next time we'll take the stairs if you feel like that about using elevators." Really, you don't like that she feels uncomfortable at all, especially because her sense of unease is perfectly justifiable. It's not like she's yelling about cameras stealing souls or something... Even though there's almost no doubt that at least one jackass magus has actually made something that does something to that effect.

"No no, it's fine, really. I'll just bear with it." A good thing too, you really don't want to have to climb up and down 27 flights of stairs to reach your room or to leave the building, respectively. While you're fit enough to do so with ease, it would just be a total waste of time when you could take the elevator. But if it would make Monica more comfortable to do so, then you'll take the stairs back down. It's not like you'll be spending any more time than you'll have to in London now though. You've managed to get your allies together, and you have enough money to charter a flight if you can't get one to leave the country by today.

When you're all inside your room, you begin to inform your allies of Zouken's abilities as well as his weaknesses. First making sure to send Giselle on a long errand so that she doesn't eavesdrop on the conversation. She's actually very quick to agree to your suggestion, almost as if she wants to leave you to your private conversation. "Zouken primarily focuses on his familiars, the crest worms which compose his body. He can use them in a variety of ways they excel at the consumption of human flesh and can take flight should they be required to. Zouken was in his prime a Brand rank in the Clocktower, though don't let that mislead you, he was apparently capable of potentially fighting Servants when he was in his prime... But he's not at the same level of power anymore, he's just a tricky old bastard. Thankfully he doesn't actually have any reason to suspect this attack is coming, nor does he believe that anybody could truly kill him thanks to his disgusting way to survive even should his body be destroyed."

"Which is...?" Monica asks for you to elaborate on the method to actually ensure the old worm's death. It's just a shame that you can't get Shiki involved on this, but you wouldn't really want to mess up the events of Tsukihime by forcing him to see death points sooner. The more he uses his mystic eyes, the stronger they get, and no doubt he would be forced to rely on a blindfold much sooner if you had him develop them to such an extent. Still, all he would need to do is strike Zouken in a death point and even his heart worm would dissolve away into nothing, despite the separation from his main body. Still, causing him to go effectively blind just for Sakura is a little too much for you, especially when you've managed to figure out a way to potentially save her without doing so. Nevermind how much doing that to Shiki would completely derail the plot of Tsukihime, and it's sort of important that it resolves in a positive ending.

"The heart worm hidden inside my sister. It's what houses his soul. Which is what I'll be focusing on destroying while you two focus on destroying his physical body. Oh, and while I don't really care about the house, please both of you do your best not to completely reduce it to rubble. It does contain quite a lot of magical knowledge and artifacts on account of Zouken's age." You tell your allies honestly. While you certainly would prefer if the house remained standing by the end of all this, you certainly wouldn't care if the damn place was destroyed. The only thing of any value in that place is what Zouken has managed to amass over the centuries anyway. If it does remain standing though, you do intend to do some serious renovating of the place, and you kind of want to fill the entire basement with concrete.

Your two allies give you resolute expressions. They seem to understand exactly what it is they'll need to do. You don't really think either of them have much to fear from Zouken's actual magecraft, thankfully, and now that the two of them are well informed of his nature as a magus suited to trickery, they'll likely be extra cautious when it comes to exterminating him. No sudden realizations that worms have eaten their feet for them... you hope. You'll end up discussing tactics with the two of them in far greater detail on the flight to Fuyuki anyway though, so there shouldn't be a problem. "If he primarily focuses on organic familiars, then I'll use my magecraft to form a barrier of electricity around myself. Anything that gets close to me will be given a shock great enough to stop a human heart. It should be more than enough for these worms of his." Monica reveals her tactic of choice, and one that is likely a hard counter to Zouken, so long as he doesn't pull anything unexpected. "But yeah. I'll be careful. I've faced off against some real tricky bastards in the past. Almost died to a few of them too. I'm... well accustomed to avoiding traps. I can only hope that my... co-worker is so experienced."

"I will do what I can." Gray's face remains determined as Monica gives her opinion on her, Monica is clearly underestimating Gray thanks to the girl's age and inexperience, or maybe she's just worried about her?

>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."
>"There's one last thing I want to do in this city before we leave for Fuyuki." (What?)
>Write-in...

>>4382814
>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."

>>4382814
>>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."
So what happens if we destroy the crest worm before they attack Zouken?

>>4382814
>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."

>>4382811
>Shinji has no appreciation for non-magical antiques
Damn, what a shame. I thought we raised him better.

>>4382814
>>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."

>>4382814
>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."

REMOVE WORM

Get ready boys, cat is out of the bag after we pull this off. I bet the priest will make the correct conclusions.

>>4382814
Leave tonight, we going on our private jet?

>>4382851
The antiques are worth jack shit. We can buy new antiques.

>>4382814
>>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."
It's been about one month or so since we started this quest. It's all been leading up to this.

>>4382909
Legit though, this has been what i've been looking forward to, fuck the HGW and Tsukihime, killing Zouken is perfect

>>4382915
Im still looking forward to the grail war but this is the fulfillment of the premise of this quest. I dont really know anything about Tsukihime

>>4382930
For me, the fulfillment of the premise of the quest will be finding out whether we can keep Shinji alive through the grail war. Everything else is gravy.

>>4382814
>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."

>>4382814
>>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."

>>4382814
>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."
TIME TO COOK UP SOME WORM

>>4382814
>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."
We can celebrate after Zouken is gone

>>4382814
>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."

Omg I'm Cummings

>>4383151
e. e. cummings is a memey poet, go look them up

>>4382814
>>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."

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Do we get a roll bonus to remove worm if we force feed Sakura deworming pills?

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Time for a late night fun fact.
In thread 1, the image used as a portrait of Monica is actually genderbend art of Misaka Mikoto from Index.

>>4383549
he looks so effeminate for a guy

>>4382814
>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."

"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things." You turn away from your two allies, looking out of the window and at the city below. "We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki. I don't want to waste a minute from this point onwards." You quickly decide that the sooner you get all this resolved, the better. No point in drawing things out.

"Alright, alright. Let's be on our way, shall we?" Monica agrees with you. "Though it might be an idea to wait for your maid to return. Do I even want to know why you are apparently employing one of the Einzbern's Homunculi as a personal maid, Shinji?" Monica finally brings up Giselle's presence, you were actually waiting for that.

"It's a long story that involves the Holy Grail and the upcoming Holy Grail War. For the sake of simplicity, I'll just say that she is the result of me forming an alliance with the Einzbern to help them to seize the Holy Grail. I intend to put a permanent end to the Grail War, one way or another." Be that through the destruction of grail or the recovery of the Third Magic, you'll do whatever feels like the right thing to do at the time given your resources. If Angra Mainyu can be removed from the grail and the Third Magic can truly be achieved, then you may just go for that route. Of course, that is only if it can be recovered without Illya actually dying. If that is not a possibility, then Angra Mainyu or not, the grail is going to be destroyed.

"I see... But really? The Einzbern? Aren't you a little worried that they'll back stab you? They aren't exactly the most reputable family these days, you know. Anyone evil enough to employ the use of fully thinking and feeling slaves is a pretty rotten apple in my book. Speaking of... That maid of yours, you're treating her properly, like a human, right?" Monica asks with a small amount of concern for Giselle in her voice. Most magi wouldn't have a shred of care for homunculi, but then again, Monica isn't exactly a magus.

"I've really only had her with me today, and I tried to refuse her. It was only that the Einzbern wanted to spy on me that she was sent at all. It was one of those situations where I really had no choice but to except, otherwise they might've had the poor girl executed simply for no longer having a use for her." You tell Monica the truth about Giselle, it's not really like you wanted the Einzbern to give you your own personal maid, after all. If you wanted that, you could just hire some. Though you suppose they wouldn't have the same loyalty that Giselle has. Or at least would have, if you didn't have the sneaking suspicion she has been ordered to betray you should you betray the Einzbern "Also of course I'm going to treat her like she's a human being. Do you really think I would be so heartless as to act otherwise?"

"No. Of course not." Monica smiles a heartwarming smile at you as she reveals just how much she believes in you having a good nature. It might be misplaced, after all. All the good that you've done is really a side effect of attaining your goals. At least your goals at heart could be considered good, but the motivating factor behind everything you do in some ways could even be called insidious. Now really isn't the time to begin questioning your own moral worth though. After about twenty minutes of waiting around Giselle finally returns, having finally come back from the errand you gave her to keep her distracted. Namely, finding instant ramen. She has a slight smile as she reveals through the bag she's holding that she has had success in locating a store that sells instant ramen.

"Now then. We're all here. So let's get going. Giselle, you'll be staying in the Einzbern Castle when we get back, right?"

"That is correct, Master Makiri." Giselle confirms the situation, at least you won't have to worry about her spying on this next operation too much. Not that she's shown herself to be a very effective spy at all.

"Makiri?" Monica repeats after Giselle. She's probably wondering just why it is that you're using a different name, so you decide to give her a quick explanation before you set off for the airport.

"I wish to distance myself from the Matou, so I've decided to take up the name we had when we were still a relevant family of magi. From a time before we single-mindedly pursued the grail without focusing on anything else. Right now though, I hardly need more of a reason to hate him. It's just going to cloud my judgement if I focus on how much I loathe him." Really, you don't want to start making foolish mistakes now. When you finally remove Zouken from the equation, you can truly reveal things to Sakura at least. The girl you've basically been entirely focused on saving for the past eight years. You just hope you aren't going through with things too early. But you can't just allow her to keep suffering. "We can talk more about it on the way though. As of now, time is wasting, and I wish to get back to Fuyuki as quickly as possible." You leave the hotel room without another word, gesturing for your allies to follow you downwards. You take the stairs this time. None of your allies complain. Gray and Giselle are far too stoic for complaints, and Monica much prefers taking the more mundane way to descend the building. It's not like you'll be coming back to this hotel room anyway, and you don't think anybody really minds walking down stairs. Soon you're out of the hotel and on your way to the airport.

It's noon. You arrived in Japan a few hours ago and have finally managed to get to the apartment you purchased in order to plot your ultimate revenge against Zouken, and finally put an end to Sakura's unjust and undeserved suffering. You don't know just what will happen should you succeed, but there's no option but to ensure that you do.

"So, Shinji. Just how exactly are we going to go about doing this?" Monica once again asks for your input on things. "Gray and I know just about what we need to do, but I believe you wanted things done on a strict timer, right? You're going to perform this magical operation on your sister, while we focus on actually killing Zouken, to prevent the chances of his retaliation, correct?" She perfectly summarizes the plan of action, but really, there are quite a few ways you can go about things.

"That's about right, just ensure that you completely obliterate his physical body without a trace. He's still incredibly deadly even if you think you've managed to kill him. So do not let your guard down until after I have given you the all clear." You really don't want Monica or Gray to come to harm, especially not now, when you're so close to grasping your first true victory in this world.

""Understood."" Gray and Monica say in unison, before shooting each other quick looks, the two of them don't really seem to know what to make of the other. The two of them are both oddities among magecraft practitioners, after all.

"So, how are we going to go about starting the operation?" Monica asks the question you've been waiting for. The last question that you need to answer before you will be able to save Sakura.

>"I'm going to go and fetch Sakura right now before taking her to a secure location and drugging her while she's unaware. I want you to attack Zouken either thirty minutes after I leave the house, or if you notice him leaving."
>"We'll wait until night falls before we make our move. I'll pretend as if everything is normal all the way up until we strike. You two will attack while I am in the house with Sakura, and you will pretend to be assailants with nothing to do with me. That way he'll be even more blindsided when I use my magecraft to deal with him."
>"First off, I'm going to try to lure Zouken out of the house through some clever deception, then, when he's not under the protection of the dozens of bounded fields of the Matou Residence, you two will strike and destroy him. I'll say that I overheard some enforcers talking about dismantling the grail or something."
>Write-in...

>>4383604
Wait till nightfall

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>>4383549
Originally, Monica was a very different character, though that changed early on in the planning stage.
I probably should've changed her character image to reflect that.
Ah well.

Take Sakura and clean her if worms. This will clearly alert him, but if we clean her properly he will have to come after us ASAP. Set up the best bounded field you can in a safe location to do this in. See if we can teleport by altering the truth of our location. If we can, set up a bomb just in case he goes after us. When he comes after us, he will be forced to leave the house. Get Grey/ Monica to wait for him outside the house - when he leaves to deal with us now that Sakura’s safe, have them attack him in the street so that he isn’t inside any possible bounded fields he has.

>>4383614
The bomb is in case he goes after us some other way, and doesn’t use the street. It might also be a good idea for one of them to wait in the sewers near the Makiri house, since he probably has an exit there as well, and leave if he goes after the other in the street.

>>4383614
Let’s call this plan
Heal Her First, consequences later

>>4383604
>"I'm going to go and fetch Sakura right now before taking her to a secure location and drugging her while she's unaware. I want you to attack Zouken either thirty minutes after I leave the house, or if you notice him leaving."

>>4383604
>"I'm going to go and fetch Sakura right now before taking her to a secure location and drugging her while she's unaware. I want you to attack Zouken either thirty minutes after I leave the house, or if you notice him leaving."

>>4383604
>"I'm going to go and fetch Sakura right now before taking her to a secure location and drugging her while she's unaware. I want you to attack Zouken either thirty minutes after I leave the house, or if you notice him leaving."
HERE WE GO BOYS

>>4383604
>>"I'm going to go and fetch Sakura right now before taking her to a secure location and drugging her while she's unaware. I want you to attack Zouken either thirty minutes after I leave the house, or if you notice him leaving."

>>4383604
>>"I'm going to go and fetch Sakura right now before taking her to a secure location and drugging her while she's unaware. I want you to attack Zouken either thirty minutes after I leave the house, or if you notice him leaving."

>>4383604
>"First off, I'm going to try to lure Zouken out of the house through some clever deception, then, when he's not under the protection of the dozens of bounded fields of the Matou Residence, you two will strike and destroy him. I'll say that I overheard some enforcers talking about dismantling the grail or something."

>>4383604
>>"I'm going to go and fetch Sakura right now before taking her to a secure location and drugging her while she's unaware. I want you to attack Zouken either thirty minutes after I leave the house, or if you notice him leaving."

I have too superficial knowledge of the universe to contribute but I have some questions.
-do we have means to lure the bastard to some sort of battleground of our choosing? Ambush in his dwelling may catch him unawares, but he will have home turf advantage. In contrast if he’s lured out he may be more attentive and with ready precautions.
-do we have an agreed point of reunion after action so we can make follow up plans right after?
-do we have any backup tools to employ in case of anything unforeseen happening (defense we were unaware of, third party presence we did not expect). Tools like weapons, magic, vehicle, knowledge of a circumstance we have not yet altered, means to contact an ally.

Just floating some points to stir up discussion as people are probably afraid to vote given stakes of what’s coming down.

>>4383604
>"I'm going to go and fetch Sakura right now before taking her to a secure location and drugging her while she's unaware. I want you to attack Zouken either thirty minutes after I leave the house, or if you notice him leaving."

>>4383669
No matter what we do we’re bound to wind up in trouble

>>4383669
Luring him out is risky, but Monica and Gray are probably going to die if they fight him inside the mansion.

>>4383684
I get a feeling that no matter what we do Zouken will just b line towards us anyway

>>4383684
Even then, how are going to lure him out

>>4383689
We take off our space rock and yell at him through the window, I guess?

>>4383693
>Brick through window with note on it
>haha bet you can’t get me zoucuck 3:00 parking lot

>>4383694
I vote for this

>>4383604
>"We'll wait until night falls before we make our move. I'll pretend as if everything is normal all the way up until we strike. You two will attack while I am in the house with Sakura, and you will pretend to be assailants with nothing to do with me. That way he'll be even more blindsided when I use my magecraft to deal with him."

>>4383694
Be there or be square nerd.

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>>4383549
>>4383612
So I guess that means Monica's canon look is probably something like Misuzu than a genderbend Mikoto at this point, which is pretty great if you ask me.
Misuzu is fucking great.
It's also pretty fitting personality wise if you ask me...
How big Monica again? Any less than 91cm and I'll be disappointed.

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>>4383838
I, for one, always pictured her as Chain

>>4383843
I imagined her looking sorta like that too actually, but that sorta haircut and suit is the standard look for most christmas cakes so it's not that surprising. I'm sure most people that didn't quite remember or notice that original image were thinking along those lines too.

>>4383843
I pictured her like bazette and taiga together

>>4383694
This sounds fun. I want it.

>>4383694
Kek. ill support this

>>4383694
>>4383653
>>4383604

Guess I have to support my joke now as a legit opinion I want to call him zoucuck

>>4383604
>>"I'm going to go and fetch Sakura right now before taking her to a secure location and drugging her while she's unaware. I want you to attack Zouken either thirty minutes after I leave the house, or if you notice him leaving."
how are we deworming Sakura again?

>>4383977
Truth Flame Blast

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>>4383977

>>4383977
We're gonna yell "The power of Truth compels you!"

>>4383979
>>4383981
>>4383983
based, we made the right decision

>>4383981
>I am truth given form
>I remove lurid worm

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Do it for her.

>>4384113
>Doing it for her
that's a few steps away from
>Doing her
which may or may not happen, but do we want to make happen eventually?

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Man Illya got really tall

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>>4384382
Cursed, but I don't hate it.

>>4384382
Is something going on with rins legs

>>4384511
Nevermind I see what’s wrong with everyone now I was just focused on Illya

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Why do the Einzbern make their homunculli so attractive?

>>4384553
If you could wouldn't you?

>>4384553
There are no unattractive women in Fate. These are probably considered fairly plain in universe. If anything, they’ve got a little bit of Taiga’s sisterly look.

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>>4384977
>There are no unattractive women in Fate.

>>4384553
A little something called culture.
>>4384977
>There are no unattractive women in Fate.
False. Look at Shirou's schoolmates.
>These are probably considered fairly plain in universe.
Read Hollow Ataraxia, they aren't considered plain in universe.

>>4385003
Rin is perfect and you know it.

>>4385034
The sole rinfag has awakened

>>4385003
I love rin. Saber has my heart but Rin is definitely the most physically attractive if the three main heroines. There are no unattractive girls in fate

>>4385003
My tastes have evolved over this one past year alone from
>Sakura < Saber < Rin < Saber Alter
to
>Saber < Rin < Sakura < Saber Alter

"I'm going to go and fetch Sakura right now before taking her to a secure location and drugging her while she's unaware." While you don't exactly want to have to do any of this, and drugging Sakura makes you feel bad, it's not exactly like there's any choice here. "I want you to attack Zouken either thirty minutes after I leave the house, or if you notice him leaving in a hurry." Hopefully these two will be enough to deal with the old worm. You're really pinning your hopes on the two of them. If they should fail, then it's unlikely you or Sakura will get to celebrate her liberation for very long, as Zouken's revenge will be swift and ruthless. Of that much, you're quite certain.

"Alright then. Are you really certain that you've made all the preparations you need for this?" Absolutely not, but when it comes to this sort of thing, you're never going to get yourself into a position where you're actually certain that whatever it is you've plotted will be enough. Even if you had the overwhelming magical expertise of Caster or Touko aiding you against Zouken, you'd still have a nagging doubt that whatever it is you plotted to do would fail. But still, you have to try. You can't just let things go on like this any longer. You've had enough of hiding your true abilities from the people you care about the most, and the first step in telling them the truth involves the eradication of Zouken. As it is, only Touko is really aware of just what you can actually accomplish. Of course, it would be a lie if you said that this wish to reveal your strength was your true motivator, but you do wish you could just be truthful with everyone about things. Especially Sakura, the girl who has been your true motivation for these past eight years. Whenever you hit a wall or struggled, a single look at Sakura was all that you needed to keep you going. She was always struggling more than you were. While your goal for the Grail War and achieving your own happiness was a driving factor, it was Sakura who was the core behind everything. Now... Now you'll finally save her. If you can save her, it will prove that these past eight years of relentlessly gaining strength weren't for nothing.

If you succeed here, then Sakura will no longer need to put on that brave face every day. To pretend to you that things are alright when in actuality they are as bad as they could possibly get. No longer will she have to force herself to smile, no longer will she have to face the unjust pain wrought upon her by Zouken. Sakura will never be forced to suffer her cruel fate again. "Yes. I'm certain. There's no going back now. I've come too far and to just get this far and give up out of fear." Even if you are still terrified of Zouken. What if he realized what you were up to a long time ago? What if he's already put counter-measures against you? What if... What if you can't save Sakura? No. There's no sense in self doubt now. If you succeed, Sakura is saved, and if you fail... well, you suppose you'll probably die. Hopefully, Shirou, Rin and Saber will be able to succeed in saving Sakura even if you should fail here. It's not exactly all too comforting a thing to think about, but at least it means you wouldn't die completely in vain.

"That's what I like to hear. Shinji-kun." Monica at least has faith in your false bravado. You can only hope that her faith in you is well placed. You've come to considered Monica as a dear friends, and other than Touko, the most reliable person you know. Even if the two of them have some pretty major flaws in that department sometimes, they are still far more reliable than any other person you've ever interacted with. You suppose Waver is kind of reliable, but he's not really strong enough to be much help. Gray is strong, but hardly somebody you can rely on to solve a situation by herself at all. She's just Waver's Takeuchi approved sidekick. Shirou is somebody you know that you'll definitely be able to rely upon... when he's older and is actually strong. As he is now, you'd just end up getting both of you Bad Ends if you tried to ask him to do anything risky, while he's much stronger than he would've normally been without your influence, he's still not at a level where you're comfortable asking him to put himself in danger for your sake. You don't even know whether Rin will still feel obligated to heal him if he gets fatally injured by Lancer this time. Though thinking things through logically, Lancer shouldn't have any need to be poking around the school without the presence of Archer and Rin at the school at night. So without Rider setting up Bloodfort Andromeda on... well your orders, that shouldn't actually happen.

>>4385140
Sakura in the first being greatest right?

You leave the small apartment and wish both Monica and Gray luck in their half of the operation. You managed to convince Shishou to hand over a small amount of that paralysis drug she used on you when she activated your circuits a while back. It's apparently more potent than any mundane anesthetic available, at least according to her. The apartment is only a short walk from the Matou Residence, you made sure of that when you bought it. It's a highly convenient location, and should be an excellent temporary place to stay should the Matou mansion not make it through the next hour.

You knock on the front door of the Matou mansion, while you have a key to the house, you're expecting to be greeted by Sakura which will make getting her out of the house even easier. Only the door opens, and Sakura isn't behind it at all. Instead, the man you had hoped you would never have to see again is right here in front of you. You force a smile as you look at the man. "Grandfather. I'm back from my extra curricular trip." You try keeping your tone pleasant. With any luck, you'll have this old worm dead within the hour. You can't reveal your hatred of him just yet. You're just lucky that Zouken doesn't care enough to confirm your constant extra-curricular tricks with the school. Well, you did put a few things in place to ensure that even if he did, you wouldn't be in that much trouble unless he really started prying. For one, you made sure to hypnotize the school faculty into believing you really were on a multi-day trip. You can hardly rely on your puppet for things like this, after all. It's good at deceiving your teachers and other students, but when it comes to deceiving magi, even Shirou could see right through it. Never mind that it would be even more suspicious if you just had it continue going to school whilst you weren't going home at night.

"It is a good thing you have returned, Shinji. Your father... he fell terribly ill whilst you were away... and he perished just last night." There's a faint ghost of a smile on the old bastard's face as he recounts the story of your father's death to you. You'd long since accepted that it was going to happen around this time now, and you were never very close with Byakuya, even before gaining your second set of memories. You get the terrible feeling that things have already started to go wrong. "And now... Now Sakura is ill too. You aren't aware, are you? Of the creatures inside your dear sister... You see, Shinji... Sakura has a terrible condition, where an irremovable parasite has infested her body, and will kill her unless... Well unless she is to undergo regular... sexual intercourse." The words you were dreading finally arrive, and at the worst possible moment, too.

"So... you... you can't be saying...?" Still. You need to keep up the facade, so you feign some ignorance at just what it is that Zouken is asking of you. Things aren't unsalvageable just yet.

"Yes. You've always been close to your sister, haven't you? This is the only way for her to survive... There's no other way." Zouken lies to you through his teeth. "But you should hurry, Shinji. I've managed to slow the progress of the parasites within her, but they've already begun devouring Sakura from the inside out." He smiles... The smile of true evil. Of a man who enjoys causing suffering, it's all you can do to keep the expression on your face one of shock and horror instead of one of hatred and wrath. You should kill him right now. You think. But you cool your emotions. "Yes. Grandfather." You've got no choice but to at least pretend to accept. His grin grows ever wider as he hears you accept. You hate him. You hate this old worm more than you thought it was possible to hate somebody. You're going to take great joy when you finally erase him from the face of the planet.

But for now, you...

>...have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.
>...feed the crest worms with your own mana. By taking off your necklace and giving Sakura some of your magic infused blood, it should stop the crest worms from devouring her.
>...go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
>...snap off the necklace sealing your power, reinforce your body to it's maximum, and kick Zouken as hard as you possibly can.
>Write-in...

>>4385170
Proceed with the sex

>>4385170
>...go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
>Notify Monika and Grey to act now, change the truth of the room to there's no way in.

>>4385164
Well we’re gonna be monitored now. Any chance we could signal our allies? If we could in a credible way without alerting zouken something’s off, this could work for in our favour. And would drugging him work?

>>4385188
>drugging Zouken
Stop it anon, you're making me laugh

>>4385170
>...snap off the necklace sealing your power, reinforce your body to it's maximum, and kick Zouken as hard as you possibly can.

>>4385185
Supporting.

>>4385185
I'll support this.

As much as I would like deliver a kick to gramps I feel like it would be a terrible idea.

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>>4385170
Oh Fuck!
I'm a fucking idiot!
I really should have known some shit like this was happening. Here I thought Zouken would have been forcing Byakuya to work till his dying day, but of course not. Of course poor Sakura has been getting eaten alive this whole damn time. Shit!
Welp, we can't really go for his throat now, that would be a definite dead end. I really don't want to risk taking off the necklace at any point while inside or near the manor with Zouken's attention on us. We can't even get in contact with our team because they don't have fucKING PHONES! God damn it guys, I really don't wanna fuck her like this, or at all really, but it really does look like we're gonna have to go through with it.
Just one more fuck you from the worm before we put him in the grave I suppose.

....we could always drug her before we do it. Make it extra clean, make sure she doesn't remember as to not further her dependency or trauma. Eva Shinji style jerk off to her comatose body and slide the goo inside.
...actually hold on.

What if we just tell him we plan to do this from the start? Minus the drugging part.
Does Zouken really care if we actually fuck her or does he just want us to get her the energy, because if we can use our charisma to get the opportunity to fuck off to the store for some condoms or some shit so we can do the above plan, i.e. claim we'll use the condoms to get her the energy, we could instead fill one of them with our blood or some shit and get it to her that way!
If he won't go for it, then we'll simply have to go through with it, because every other plan provided is a damn trap.

>>4385170
>...go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.

Any way we can signal Grey and Monica now?

>>4385211
You can try signalling them from a window.

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>>4385210
Can pretty much agree, my only problem is just look at him, do you really think he is going to be the type not to insist on watching from the corner?
Even if not he's going to know somethings up once we start burning them and with our companions ordered to wait for him to leave to go in early, we'd be screwed.

>>4385210
What the hell did I just read. Where did I leave my bleach, I have to find it.

>>4385170
>...go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.

>>4385230
>Can pretty much agree, my only problem is just look at him, do you really think he is going to be the type not to insist on watching from the corner?
Fair enough, but I think it's still worth a shot. All we really need to do here is make sure Sakura is stable and keep up appearances just a bit longer. What we're doing isn't suspicious, any brother would insist on a way to keep their sister safe without directly having to fuck her, and hopefully with our charisma is high enough that we'll be able to get Zouken to give us a pass just this once.

>>4385237
I genuinely don't understand what your problem is here.

>>4385170
>>4385185
Supporting this

>>4385250
Preparing to samefag again, coomer?

>>4385252
Was testing if my pass was working

>>4385248
Hope so but I'm not counting on it, to me high charisma to convince rational people to act the way we want is one thing, convincing an irrational lich to give us a pass when he thinks we're too far beneath him to negotiate with, who currently has all the leverage in this scenario, is used to centuries of kin doing as he says immediately or getting wormed, and enjoys psychologically breaking people to control them, doesn't leave me with much faith that he might.

>>4385170
>...go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.

>>4385263
You are 100% not wrong to have your doubts. Still, nothing beats a failure but a try. Even if it doesn't work, we should at the very least give it a shot.

>>4385270
I'm not saying not to try, I'm saying without a good write in add on everything other than the coomer option seems like it's doomed to fail and I hate that one on the principle of it; to me:
Trying to negotiate would likely get us dumped in the worm pit or lead to combat,
Trying to deworm her now would set off his alarm and get us killed if we don't signal our allies, assuming he even gives us a chance to
Taking off the necklace would set off its own alarm when we go from 0-9000+ if he has anything monitoring magic output
trying to attack - might- give us a chance, if we focus on property damage to draw monica/grey in to assist but at the same time nothings stopping him from stopping Sakura's heart since that's clearly what set it off

>>4385283
Then we coom

>>4385283
>trying to attack - might- give us a chance
Certainly not as the option is written. Remember what Zouken's body is made of; he can dissolve at will and move around as a swarm in HF. Kicking him is just a ticket to getting our leg eaten by worms, that's why we need Monica to use a field of electricity if we want to eliminate his "main body" swarm. Honestly, I still think we're in the no-win scenario here and this is all a runup to the dead end where we get told we should've waited until the grail war to try and kill him.

>>4385170
Can we, like, grab Sakura and jump out of the house, and maybe to the roof of another building to get to someplace we won't be seen as quickly as possible, then proceed to do the blood thing to slow the worms down before extracting them?

If we can just get outside the house we can ensure Zouken is distracted by Monica and Gray while we work on Sakura, but I don't know about our chances of doing so without Zouken immediately trying to get the worms to kill her.

Might be better to just do the
>...go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
And then immediately leap out a window so Monica and Gray can fight Zouken and possibly heal Sakura if she took any damage from the worms before we destroyed them, since we'll be out of mana after using our Truth power to destroy them.

>>4385170
>>4385185
Supporting

>>4385291
Why I said if we focus on property damage, attacking him directly is suicidal while smashing the front door would signal them in but at the same time he'd definitely know we're behind it and this'd turn into a hostage situation.
I still think negotiating is a bad idea because trying to do anything that hints at us being anything other than an obedient pawn is going to make him monitor things more closely.

>>4385185
If there's no way in then they can't help us.

>>4385170
>>4385185
Support

>>4385170
>>4385201
I'll switch to this >>4385294

>>4385283
>Trying to negotiate would likely get us dumped in the worm pit or lead to combat
I doubt it would be that bad. It is perfectly reasonable to try and suggest alternatives, and it's easy to walk back on it if Zouken doesn't take it well. While Zouken doesn't see much in Shinji, he still needs him to some extent so I doubt we'll be thrown into the worm pit just for bargaining.

>>4385294
>>4385301
>Can we, like, grab Sakura and jump out of the hou-
No
>Why I said if we focus on property damage, attacking hi-
No.
Guys, we can't fucking attack him at all. He can, and would, cripple or severely hurt Sakura from a distance with the worms in her body.
He's very much aware that we care a lot about Sakura so letting him know we have absolutely no intention of doing what he wants rather than having normal trepidations will definitely get us in the worm pit.

>>4385302
No, no way into Sakura's room. So even if Zouken tries to get in he can't

>>4385312
If we do that we probably won't have enough to rid sis of the worms

>>4385312
We won't have enough energy to change an entire room and burn the worms at the same time.

>>4385306
I'm not advocating attacking him, though you pretty much spell out why he think it's a retarded idea because the only way I can see it working means abandoning the goal of saving Sakura, we can try to negotiate, but even if it works I doubt it'll make him ignore us completely if anything he'll watch things more closely since we'd act like we have any control over the situation after we just got back from disappearing again for several days.

>>4385185
>>4385170
Support

I just fucking realized, why didn't we also ask Rin to help us? She's a top tier Magus at this point, she's not gonna say to say no to help save her little sister and Gray, Monica and Rin teaming up to gank Zouken ups the chances of victory, genuinely should've thought of that before now fuck

>>4385374
Because Rin hates us? We tried getting closer to her, but she shut us out.

>>4385390
yeah she hates us but she's not gonna let her pride or hate get in the way of saving her little sister, she's distant but she's not gonna let that thing stand if we told her

>>4385396
How would we tell her when she doesn't even talk with us?

>>4385404
name drop Sakura and tell her that there's something urgent involving her

>>4385170
Backing >>4385185

>>4385170
>>4385211
I'll switch to this >>4385185

>>4385185
>change the truth of the room to there's no way in.
Are you sure that's a good idea?
I think there's a pretty huge problem in doing this...
It's got nothing to do with Zouken either.
Can you guess what it is?

>>4385480
Where to begin? What all gets locked out of the room? Air? Light? Gravity? Does creating no way in also create no way out? Do we overdrain our magic and either combust or pass out? The idea is so risky I can't guess which flaw will screw us over first.

>>4385489
It might even do some weird fuckery like forcing us back out instantly, because if the fundamental truth of the room is that there's no way in then we couldn't have gotten in there in the first place.

>>4385492
Or hey, it might be one of those Occam's Razor situations where the room just becomes a solid mass because that's the most direct way of making it so that there's no way in.

Perhaps changing the truth of the room to be anti-Zouken Makiri? Too specific?

>>4385498
How about worm denial area?

>>4385480
Can we change it instead to changing our location? Or that no one can enter?

>>4385480
Are we capable of changing it to "Zouken can't enter"? Seems like it would be a minor version of "nothing can get in". I mean, would Shinji know it?

>>4385511
The manipulation of concepts requires you to understand the concept you are manipulating or manifesting.
Shinji understands the concept of "a room". The area of effect.
He understands the concept of "everything" the target.
And he understands the concept of "impassible". The effect.

He doesn't however understand the concept of individual beings.

>>4385521
Well shit.
Guess we can just not do that part?

>>4385521
Wait, but we understand the concept of the crest worms enough that we can make fire that burns only them? What, did we get access to Zouken's secret files on how they're constructed? Otherwise I don't see how we'd understand them any more than we understand Zouken.

>>4385521
Hmm... Can Shinji change the truth of the "location" of the room? So that the room is out of Zouken's reach for now, instead of it being anti-him?

I guess that's kind of Reality Marbling tho...

>>4385525
It's the same as how you can understand the concept of "everything". Even if you can't comprehend it's scope.
You understand the concept of "Familiars" of which Crest Worms are a valid target yet Sakura is not.

To understand the concept of a person is a little more difficult.

>>4385531
Changing the location of the room is a better option then, possibly changing it so it's beyond the reach of enemies? Enemies is a broad enough concept that includes Zouken right?

>>4385534
>changing it so it's beyond the reach of enemies?
You might want to consider just how well such vague wording will serve you.

>>4385538
Changing the truth of the room to "It is out of the reach of familiars, those not already in there and those that are not me."?

>>4385546
>those not already in there
But if the Heart worm is in there, and Zouken's soul is in that, it might count as he's already in there and let him in.

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>>4385538
What about making it so the room dissolves any crest worms within it?
We'll call it Worm Fort Andromeda.

Give it up guys, WhatIs clearly doesn't want anyone to ruin his precious keikaku.

>change the truth of the room to there's no way in.
It's a monkeys paw

>changing it to "Zouken can't enter"?
Shinji doesn't understand the concept of individual beings. Somehow.

>changing it so it's beyond the reach of enemies
It's to vague

Are we supposed to start writing code in C++ just so you can't twist everything to your liking?

> We’re already a disappointment - admit the terrible truth to Zouken - we’re gay. We can’t get it up for Sakura and therefore can’t have sex with her.

>>4385594
Pfft. If only that ever worked.

>>4385594
>Nothing one of grandpa's special ass worms can't fix!

>>4385594
Even better, admit Shirou is our one true love and if he wants us to really get off he should go fetch him. Either he leaves the house to fetch him, or he lets us do so.

We don't understand our own power to use it. We should have waited like how things were in the original story. Best bet is to go along with what zouken wants. Hopefully Sakura and Monica don't hate us too much afterwards. We can try to signal them from the window before the deed. Though that might cause us to rush and fuck up the surgery. One thing that was mentioned about our necklace awhile back was that it could kill or eliminate magical beings. I still think it's somehow key to saving Sakura.

>>4385598
Sacrifice that precious booty to save Sakura!

>>4385586
>>4385608
Let's try Wormfort Andromeda. >>4385574

>>4385586
It was always the case with Wish-type spells that at the end of the day they are open to interpretation.

I don't think OP wants to fuck Anons over, which would be possible no matter what, but I reckon he'd rather we worked for the victory.

>>4385185
Support.

>change the truth of the room to there's no way in for old men.

this is a tough one

>>4385676
The funny thing is if we had just remembered that Sakura wasn't getting raped every night anymore, we could have prepared a vial of blood or something to give her.
Hindsight is 20/20 I suppose.

>>4385170
>...have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.
Let's just do it.
Its the only way to make sure we can actually successfully kill Zouken.

>>4385684
I mean, Zouken is also expecting you to take advantage of your sister, pretty sure if you tried to subvert his orders, he'd either kill you or force you to do it, its not just about keeping Sakura alive, its to make her suffer and break her

>>4385170
>>...have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her
we're virgins right? We also don't know if we've ever jerked off before so we're probably super sensitive. As long as we calm down we will nut in seconds

Fellas, we need to pick something besides encasing Sakura and us in a wall.

>>4385170
>>Write-in...
Create a field that makes any crest worms within the room dissolve.

>>4385771
Yeah that’s retarded. Especially with Monica and gray coming to kick ass

>>4385772
Worms are canonically in the walls too. Those will all converge the moment the dissolving happens, and we get worm'd. No way

>>4385789
If we're sustaining the field they'd all melt.

Why not just Truth death on to him? Technically he is dead so shouldn't that give us a boost in kill him with our magic?

>>4385833
Probably not, but we could possibly reinforce our body to be quicker or more precise during the deworming.

>>4385851
We're burning the worms, so precision and speed shouldn't be an issue. The real problem is that we don't have an escape route or an easy way to contact our allies.

>>4385876
Don’t we have a cell phone or am I mistaken

>>4385882
We do, but they don't.

>>4385170
>>...have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.
why not wait for a better time? It doesn't hurt to satisfy the crest worms first and then proceed with the plan.

plus, I'm really not convinced that manifesting truth here would really work out. Conceptual shit in nasuverse tends to have complicated interactions that aren't immediately obvious. Wishing to seal the room can have any number of side effects, and wishing Zouken dead might not work at all because as QM said before, conceptualizing a specific individual can be difficult. I'd caution everyone here against abusing Truth. (and feel subsequently "railroaded" if things don't work well) Let's just sate the crest worms first, then get Sakura out and kill Zouken in a less complicated circumstance.

>>4385889
Oh lawd

>>4385898
Honestly, it'd probably work out fine if we set the room to just melt any crest worms inside it or that enter it.
It's direct, to the point, and doesn't do anything dumb like blocking out air/light/gravity

>>4385890
>>4385898
You're not going to get anywhere arguing caution, anon. We've been getting nothing but success updates and timeskip buffs for enough of the quest that players feel invincible, and like they can make anything work as long as they put together some kind of a plan. Even killing Zouken, one of the most durable characters in FSN, 2 years before the war. Look at what happened when we backed out of going along with Kerry. Even with QM confirmation that it would've been a hell of nonstop failure, we still had people bitching and moaning about how we would've made everything work out if we'd just stuck to it. The only way people are going to learn that Shinji has limits is if we go with one of these ridiculously audacious plans and die horribly.

>>4385210
>because if we can use our charisma to get the opportunity to fuck off to the store for some condoms or some shit so we can do the above plan, i.e. claim we'll use the condoms to get her the energy, we could instead fill one of them with our blood or some shit and get it to her that way!
If this worked and Zouken let us leave, couldn't we just send in Monica and Gray?

>>4385914
We could, but we also need to worry about the possibility of flying worms scouts or some shit. It's best to assume that now that he's paying attention to us, we need to be on our best behavior.

>>4385912
Yeah, this quest has been smooth sailing so far but I am really concerned about how anons seem to overestimate Shinji's origin. The ability to decide what is true is, at first, quite powerful, but without pinpoint precision and knowledge about how the world works, it is very unpredictable. Take a straightforward concept like "see the future", Nasuverse has two kinds of precognition with completely different mechanisms and connotations about how time works. The stillness origin, while seemingly more about preventing movement, actually has weird interactions MEoDP, which in turn is "see how to kill something" made complicated. So many concepts are more than meets the eye, and eventually our ignorance would backfire.

>we still had people bitching and moaning
um, I guess I happened to be one of them, though not because I was confident. I just felt that it made the previous vote meaningless and a complete waste of time.

>>4385910
I'm not entirely sure what would happen to Sakura's body if the worms just suddenly stopped existing. Other anons voted for this approach, though, so I will not contend it.

>>4385912
Honestly I just find bad ends interesting and in that case there was some blatant ass samefagging from the anti kerry alogs.

>>4385170
Tell Zouken you have erectile dysfunction and need to buy some viagra with Sakura at the mall's pharmacy

Can't we just burn the entire house down with the Truth flame and take out Sakura and Zouken that way?

>>4386052
anon, we're not trying to kill Sakura

What's with the resistance here?
We all knew this would happen, fortunately it'll only be once rather than over 2 years.

>>4386064
I don't wanna rape Sakura anon.

I feel like our only option is to just drug Sakura, set her on fire with the familiar destroying truth flames, then grab her and jump out the nearest window, hoping Monica and Gray will be able to intercept Zouken before he kills us. Alternatively after Sakura is being cured via Familiar flame we try to throw Zouken out of the window ourselves.

I mean if antagonizing Zouken before beginning to cure Sakura will result in the worms destroying her before we can save her, then we can't do anything to Zouken before then.

Alternatively could we take Sakura into a room then seal it so that only friends could enter it? Since enemies is too vague and everything would kill us somehow.

Alternatively could we use the truth flames to burn 'evil' so that they'd hurt Zouken as well as the worms, as while we don't fully understand Zouken to target him specifically we do think of him as one hell of an evil guy?

>>4386077
>Alternatively could we use the truth flames to burn 'evil' so that they'd hurt Zouken as well as the worms, as while we don't fully understand Zouken to target him specifically we do think of him as one hell of an evil guy?
We can target the worms. We appearantly understand them enough to do so, so we make it so that any worms that are in or enter the room get destroyed.
If Zouken enters, the same would happen to him since he's made of worms.

>>4385912
>The only way people are going to learn that Shinji has limits is if we go with one of these ridiculously audacious plans and die horribly.
I can think of worse ways, can only imagine the 180 players would make if we get hit with a hard penalty like 'burnout a magic circuit everytime we die'

>>4386069
It's not even rape, its calming down the crest worms.
Shirou did it, and nobody calls him a rapist for doing it.

Why are we still voting to box ourselves in ?
It's a guaranteed dead end.

>>4386180
Maybe I dont want to lock into Sakura route for no reason other than convenience and to appease the coomers?

>>4386180
idk, it just feels bad even in this situation, we're about to kill Zouken, Shirou at the time was helpless

>>4386184
I wouldn't mind desu

>>4385170
I'm convinced. We need to reserve Truth Flame for Sakura. No room shit.
>...have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.

>>4385185
this
>>4385170

>pretend to go along with zouken's plan
>signal Monica and Gray from the window
>stall with hesitance and/or foreplay while they arrive
>manifest a flamethrower that burns only zouken's worms
>join in the fray

how would that work?

>>4386233
sounds good to me

Sounds good, but it’s probably a bit late. Next update should be out soon judging by the time.

If that old bastard thinks he's going to get the better of you, then he can think again. You've already got a plan to save Sakura, and as long as you can signal Monica and Gray through the windows, then the plan can still continue. All you need to do is manifest the concept of 'Unable to be entered' on the room you take Sakura into, then you'll be able to go through with the procedure even with Zouken in the house. You only hope that Monica and Gray can actually get a message from here. Damn those two! Why can't they just have mobile phones like the rest of the civilized world?!

"Very well. Grandfather. But.... Is there no other way?" You pretend to plead with the old worm, but you know that it's a futile effort. It's only that you can't allow him to grow suspicious of you that you bother saying anything at all.

Zouken thinks that he has you, and tries to make a reassuring smile, not that it would ever be able to reassure anyone, nor is it actually supposed to. "I'm afraid so, Shinji. This is the only way to save Sakura from the suffering she's currently going through." Zouken lies. No, there's another way, Grandfather. But you aren't going to like it.

You walk up the stairs slowly. You really don't want to seem enthusiastic about things, for all Zouken knows, you're going upstairs with the intent to rape your sister, and not going upstairs with the intent to kill him once and for all. So despite the knowledge that Sakura is in pain and suffering right now, you still restrain yourself from going too quickly.

Soon enough, you're in Sakura's room. The girl is wearing a white nightdress and her eyes are closed. You can only tell of the incredible pain she must be going through from the pained expression of her face and the occasional spasm she makes. Is she even awake?

You walk up to Sakura and raise a hand to her cheek, cupping her face in one of your hands. You can't allow this sweet girl to continue suffering like this. No. You won't allow it! You then throw a chair through one of the windows. You don't know if Gray and Monica will be able to infer that the situation has changed from that, but it's the best that you can do in such a short time.

"No more." You take the necklace off with a flourish, snapping it off and unsealing your great magical power. Now you know that you have mere seconds before Zouken notices your deception, the ambient energy you release from taking off the necklace is enough to change the atmosphere of the room. You place your hand on the floor of Sakura's Room, visualizing the entire area. "I am Truth given form." You utter the first line of your aria, and you can feel your magecraft become more receptive to you. After visualizing the room, you apply a concept upon it. A concept that prevents absolutely anything from entering for as long as you keep the effect up. While you can exit the room freely, this room should be completely inaccessible to everything that exists.

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The manifestation works, but you soon come to a terrible realization. It's taking far too much of your energy to keep manifested. As of right now, you won't even be able to make a cinder to clear Sakura of the worms, never mind an inferno. You keep the effect manifested regardless. Hopefully you can disable it when Gray and Monica have dealt with Zouken, but you can't actually hear anything going on from outside, just silence. Fifteen minutes of keeping up the manifestation, Sakura still squirms in pain, and strangely, it feels as if the air is getting harder and harder to breathe. You check your body to make sure you haven't taken any damage, yet you don't find anything. Could Zouken have managed to find a way through your defense? No. Impossible.

Another five minutes pass, and you are forced to kneel down on one knee. You feel... weak. It's all you can do at this point to keep the barrier around the room manifested. What is happening? This isn't the result of overusing your magecraft! That feels completely different! Then it hits you. The terrible terrible error you made. You made a room in which things can leave, but nothing can enter. You didn't restrict it to people either. Right now, this room is completely sealed off from the rest of the world. Of course, nobody can enter the room, but what also cannot enter the room is sound, for all you know, the battle between Monica, Gray and Zouken has already reached it's conclusion. But even more important than sound... is air.

You only have the strength in your body to attempt to change the manifestation once. You still can't disable it, otherwise Zouken might get in with his worms and it would all have been for naught. You have no idea what's going on outside, so it's just too risky to allow that to happen. Though as you crawl along the floor, you seen realize just how hopeless things are. You just... don't have the energy left in your body to make such an alteration to the room now. It's not a problem of magical energy either. But a problem that has arisen from depriving the human body of oxygen for too long. Things start to go blurry, and then you can no longer sustain your consciousness. The whole world goes pitch black as your body dies as a result of being deprived of it's most basic need.

DEAD END

>>4386184
you aren't locked into a route just because you had sex.
>>4386191
See, I view it in the completely opposite fashion. Our Shinji, unlike the original Shirou, actually has the potential to get rid of Zouken. Is it not the best, then, to maximize our chances and really commit to solving the root of Sakura's problems? Choosing to rush the plan, and therefore risking failure, just because of some instinctive distaste in having sex kinda sounds unreasonable.

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Tiger Dojo is a strange hint corner.
If you would like to beat the game yourself,
or if you would like to keep the characters' images, please be warned.

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You awaken with your body still lying on the floor in a pathetic heap, though the room you awaken in is a completely different one to the one you just died in. The polished wooden floor and the Japanese design could really only mean one thing...

"Hello! Is everyone doing fine?!" It's... Taiga. "After an eight year long delay, we have finally received our first new student!" She announces cheerfully. "I'd... introduce the Taiga Dojo more thoroughly, but you already have the gist of it, don't you, Makiri-kun? I suppose I'll just save them for Shirou-kun" Taiga skips the introductions of the Taiga Dojo. "The gist of it is is that you died!" Taiga looks around the room with an annoyed expression "This is usually where I'd have Student Number One say something, but a few years back she announced. 'Oh, don't be ridiculous, Shinji is far too smart to get himself killed before the grail war!' and took off. But I guess she was probably a little hasty in her judgement.

"While as nice as I find all this, Taiga. Can I go back yet? I do still need to save Sakura, after all." This mood whiplash is just too much. You just asphyxiated to death.

"Don't you dare try to skip this scene!" Taiga hits you on the head with the Tora-Shinai. It stings. Badly. "No! You need to know just what went wrong!" You rub your sore skull as Taiga begins to explain. "I'll keep things simple if you want to go back so quickly. You got too over-confident. While your magical skills are pretty great, you're still not immune to making a mistake like this one. You still need to breathe, after all! If Student Number One was here, she could probably provide some more insight, but she's not, so I'll just say this!"

Taiga points towards you. "You can't keep Zouken out of the room at the same time that you get rid of the worms."

"Wait? That's all the advice I'm getting? What does that even mean?! How does that even help?!" You yell at Taiga, who just shrugs at you as the doors of the dojo close and you find yourself floating in darkness for a few moments.

>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.
>You feed the crest worms with your own mana. By taking off your necklace and giving Sakura some of your magic infused blood, it should stop the crest worms from devouring her.
>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
>You snap off the necklace sealing your power, reinforce your body to it's maximum, and kick Zouken as hard as you possibly can.
>Write-in...

>>4386275
>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.

Please, anons, no rushing this time. Stay levelheaded and understand priorities.

>>4386272
Air? I could understand Zouken taking over Sakura and killing us since his Crest Worm is in her so his soul could be argued to also be in here or him drawing prana from our spell to defend himself thereby forcing unsustainable cost upon us, but even in a smaller room we would have hours of air for two persons.

I mean I did expect a dead end, but suffocation is just.. what?

>>4386278
It wasnt a sealed box.
It was a one way barrier.
Air could exit the room but not enter it. You also blocked out sound too, so you had no idea what was going on outside.

>>4386278
normally yes, but this isn't a sealed container. air can't enter but can readily leave, and honestly there are many more ways to kill us with that wish.

Dis dumb. Our magic would fail due to us losing consciousness before we truly suffocated.

Was expecting this to fail though.

Also, this is literally the most autistic way to die

>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.

>>4386285
Who's to say you truly suffocated to death? Zouken is still in the building. Remember?

>>4386288
I did try to warn against it, but nobody officially changed their vote.

>>4386281
If you want to argue for emptying the room of air that makes a lot more sense, even if we would have noticed that immediately. The air pressure rapidly falling is not something you easily miss.

Frankly not perceiving the outside world is not really a problem, if you are forced to drop the barrier or die then you really should drop it even if you can't perceive if Zouken is dead or not.

>>4386284
>honestly there are many more ways to kill us with that wish.
Yes, I even mentioned that? You seem under the impression I disagreed with a dead end, when I merely found how it happened befuddling.

>>4386275
>>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.
I fucking knew it

>>4386275
>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.
So we are back to my first pick.

>>4386291
Shinji tried to alter the barrier to make an exception for air, but by the time he tried he was too late.
He also wouldn't have died from suffocating, and the manifestation would've ended when he fell unconscious anyway. Problem is all the crest worms in the house which are drawn to magical energy...
As for the air pressure, Nasuverse protagonists have a habit of ignoring crucial things that will lead to their death in Dead Ends.
Shirou didn't realize his feet had been eaten in one ending.

You fuckers are retarded

>>4386275
>>You feed the crest worms with your own mana. By taking off your necklace and giving Sakura some of your magic infused blood, it should stop the crest worms from devouring her.
Also technically I did change my vote.
>>4386297
OK Mr. 1 post.

>>4386275
>Pretend to go along with Zouken and try to signal Monica and Gray from the window

>>4386303
Especially you

>>4386275
>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.

>>4386297
Hurrr durrrr dirrr shut up retard

>>4386275
>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
AAAAAAAAAAAARGH HELP ME TOUKO.

>>4386275
Proceed to sleep with Sakura.

>>4386275

>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.

>>4386275
>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.
Buy time

>fail once.
>do what Zouken wants.
Spineless worms.

>>4386275
>>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.

>>4386355
Thats coomers for you. Perfect excuse!

>>4386361
Coomers would have tried to do it instantly

>>4386365
So you're just spineless faggot. Ok.

>>4386369
Nope I’m just tryna survive. I’m the taiga fag

>>4386374
>I’m just tryna survive.
>I’m the taiga fag
She doesn't like spineless cucks.

>>4386355
You are confusing being a sore loser, who can't accept anything but the outcome they want, with being brave.

>>4386381
>bravely raping your own sister

>>4386384
So? She wants it and so do we

>>4386384
First she probably wants it which wouldn't make this rape at all.

Second I didn't call people cowards. But if you think retrying shit until you get what you want with no possibility of failing needs courage then you really must be a very afraid person.

>>4386386
Dunno how delusional cuck someone can be to think being grandpa worm's little bitch is somewhat "courageous". I guess hiding in a cuckshed would be brave too.

>>4386389
And again you make this about courage.
Maybe I need to explain it slowly?
It's fictional. Risking or not risking fictional characters does have zero information if someone is or is not brave.

On the other hand not being able to accept others not voting the way you want and insulting them says quite a bit about someone's attitude.

>>4386275
>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
>Signal Monica and Grey
I'm kinda pissed that my suggestion wasted a day worth of post.

>>4386394
Yeah thanks for that

>>4386392
>And again you make this about courage.
You started posting about being brave, you retarded faggot.
>On the other hand not being able to accept others not voting the way you want and insulting them says quite a bit about someone's attitude.
>little cuck is butthurt about being called out
You can vote however you want. I can't magically grow you a spine after all.

>>4386275
>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.

>>4386396
>You started posting about being brave, you retarded faggot.
You called people cowards and spineless.
>You can vote however you want. I can't magically grow you a spine after all.
And again. Seriously you should learn to differentiate between reality/voters and fiction/characters.

But okay, I admit you are truly exceptionally brave for risking fictional characters with no risk to yourself and insulting other people for not voting the way you want.

I really wasted enough of my time with you.

>>4386275
>>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.

Don't really even like it but one angryboi convinced me not to vote the same way as them

>>4386275
>>4386304
>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
Changing vote.

>>4386402
>being this butthurt because I'm not interested in playing out his bitchboy fantasies

>>4386405
>voting for something you hate to own someone
wow, you surely shown me

We’ve said a million times that because this is a fate quest it wouldn’t be surprising if sex happened under dubious circumstances. This is a fate quest. The sex option is probably the correct one here unless we can find a magic dolphin or something

>>4386423
We can afford a few bad ends so we don't rape our sister

>>4386447
what if its the only way forward though

>>4386272
Look at that, it's my very first guess as to what would happen. I wonder if anons are ready to start thinking rationally and give up on taking on a 500-year-old monster with no servant help yet.

I honestly don't think OP would railroad Anons into having sleeping with their adopted sister being the only way forward. Even if it's perfectly morally justifiable given circumstances. I'm confident it would not result in any routelocks either.

He even went out of his way to caution against usage of the original plan.

In retrospect, though, the mammoth overestimation of our abilities is kind of perfect. Here we are playing as Shinji, who we all know got absolutely fucked up in canon due to his belief that he was a special person who could do anything he wanted if he just tried it, and even with that knowledge the players have ended up manifesting the exact same apocalyptic level of arrogance and overconfidence in our ability to change any aspect of the situation however we want to. Overconfidence is the one thing no player in a Shinji quest should be susceptible, yet most of the playerbase is completely in a Shinji state of mind. Well done QM, if this is what you were going for.

>>4386275
changing my vote to rid her of the worms quickly

>>4386457
We aren't being railroaded, our lack of foresight has to lead to us getting caught in a sticky situation.
It was silly to think that Sakura was gonna be fine with Byakuya sick, and I'm sure if we hadn't spent all that time with Illya we would have been able to plan ahead before the bastard was too forgone, or at the very least notice that Sakura was growing sickly and add a method of getting her mana without fucking her into our plans.
We have nobody to blame but ourselves and if we want to get out of this situation with Sakura unmolested, we're gonna have to think out of the box with write ins rather than expect the QM to just throw us a bone.
OR we can just bite the bullet, either is fine, but don't expect any of the options provided to lead to anything but a swift death.

Is sex winning?

>>4386475
>all that time with Illya
3 days. This has obviously been going on longer. The mistake was thinking we could kill Zouken before the war at all, not in any of the prep or execution. When we have the help of someone like Caster, or better yet Dark Sakura herself, then we can deal with the old worm. Until then, I'm just waiting for the choice where we get the chance to open our eyes and realize we need to give up on killing him now.

>>4386463
This is why I love this quest. People arguing and being salty bitches like canon Shinji too.

>>4386490
>or better yet Dark Sakura herself
You raise a very compelling point anon. I want more people to think of discussing this too. Is it possible to have both Sakura dewormed and able to fight normally using Absorption AND able to shift to Dark Sakura at will with full conscious control? All the while having good relations with Shinji, Shirou, Rin, etc.? Milking Shinji of all of his semen on a daily basis too?

>>4386490
>3 days. This has obviously been going on longer.
Of course. Byakuya has been sick for a while, that was said already. But it's highly possible that he's only been dying, for 3 days. The health of a person can take rather drastic turns in a single afternoon, let alone 3 days and it could have been a pivotal time to better survey the field and come up with a plan before Byakuya was truly out for the count and Zouken would make his move on us.

Also if you really feel like this whole effort is doomed then you could just make a write-in to call it all off.
Be the Anti-Kerryfag you wanna see in the world.

>>4386502
>Is it possible to have both Sakura dewormed and able to fight normally using Absorption AND able to shift to Dark Sakura at will with full conscious control? All the while having good relations with Shinji, Shirou, Rin, etc.?
Survey says?
No.
But hey, you can always hope.
>>4386505
Like I said earlier, if that happens we're just going to see the same whining we had when we gave up on Kerry. People will stay convinced that it would've worked if we just hadn't given up. I want anons to go all the way with their mistakes, see just how bad it gets, and learn something. Then maybe we can be more rational and less cocky in the future.

>>4386508
All that wasted time on Kerry and Illya

>>4386510
Hey, Kerry's one thing, but Illya is the main goal of the quest. No amount of time spent with her is wasted.

>>4386275
>Impersonate canon Shinji mental hysteria about rightful Matou heir, "that useless trash" (Sakura) and that you have been thinking about it for a long time. Tell Zouken you are going to give her first time at the school on the table of son of Magus Killer whom she secretly loved all those years. After Zouken let you go with Sakura presumable towards school proceed with initial plan of deworming Sakura and letting Gray and Monica ambush Zouken.
With our Charisma and Zoukens fucked up worldview and plans this should have decent chance of working.

>>4386508
I mean, saving Kerry would have worked. It was just hard and would have led to a bunch of dead ends, but that doesn't mean it was impossible.
You could be right, as we can see this path is full of dead ends. But unlike with saving Kerry which apparently wouldn't have had much of an effect on the plot, killing Zouken is not only one of the main goals of the quest, but will have untold effects on how things move forward beyond making some Anon's feel good.

>>4386275
>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.

>>4386275
>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.
I guess I'll go ahead and vote, while I'm at it. Maybe this will lead to the chance to see our powerlessness in the situation.
Man, I sure hope this project doesn't get Monica killed.

>>4386275
>>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.

Sex with the worm in the girls body seems like a bad end since it should be able to tell how much mana we have from our semen.

>>4386275
>You feed the crest worms with your own mana. By taking off your necklace and giving Sakura some of your magic infused blood, it should stop the crest worms from devouring her.

>>4386275
>>4386564
>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
switching to this

>>4386275
>>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.

I fucking come back from sleeping and its a warzone here

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>>4386275
>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.

As an aside, what do yall think bout /ourguy/ trying to intervene in some way with Olgamarie? Nasu apparently dealt her an extremely shitty hand.

>>4386735
hell yeah, lets fucking do it, sounds super terrifying

>>4386735
>FGO
Nah, get that shit back to the phones.

>>4386275
>>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.

Hey guys, since Taiga said that we can't keep Zouken out. Let's set up the room to burn/melt/kill any crest worms in it or that enter it. We will literally purge Sakura and Zouken at the same time.

>>4386275
>>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
I'm gone for a day and you guys get us killed.

>>4386735
I'm all for adopting Olga Marie. It's one of the main reasons I want to do Case Files.
We should go see if Kiara exists too, so we can adopt her and prevent her from becoming Heaven's Hole.

>>4386891
Is that, like, a sex thing?

>>4386906
technically

>>4386906
It's an Extra thing, you don't wanna know.

>>4386275
>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.

For the record I did not support the closed room autism.

>>4386906
Kind of. If she's left unhealed and has a shit life, she pretty much becomes the Beast of Pleasure. If she's healed early and has a good life she avoids that unless directly possessed.
Since the other Beasts exist, it's worth cancelling out as many as we can, as early as we can.

>>4386275
>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.

>>4386921
Sucks about Primate Murder

>>4386928
Now that you mention it, that's another horrifying encounter to look forward to.