"Actually, I did bring something with me that you might find interesting." You reach into your really rather expensive suit jacket and pull something quite conflicting with your appearance out of the inside pocket. A Gameboy Advance. "This, Illyasviel, is something I often use when I'm bored on long trips." You hold out the device for her to take a look at, and she gently takes it out of your hands to inspect it.

Illya looks a little confused by the sudden appearance of the gadget. "What's that Shinji? Some sort of remote viewing mystic code?" She gives her best bet at actually guessing what the device is. "I can hardly see why you'd find that exciting. If I wanted to do something like that I could just ask Grandfather and he'd let me see the entire Einzbern forest! But... nothing interesting happens in that forest anyway." She takes a closer look at the Gameboy regardless of her confusion of the hand-held console as a mystic code. "It's an awfully strange looking design though. Why does it have so many buttons?" Illya's curiosity increases as she takes a longer look at the console, but you can't really keep her guessing as to the truth behind the small device for very long, as cute as she might look when she's confused.

"Because it's not a mystic code at all, Illya. This is actually a piece of technology made by the modern world for the sake of entertainment. It's called a Gameboy Advance and it's used to play all manner of games." You give her a quick explanation as to the purpose of the device but not really the mechanism behind it. Hopefully she'll be impressed by the device. You don't mind giving her your Gameboy Advance and the copy of Pokémon Ruby currently inside it if she likes it.

"Play games? But how... and what kind of games would you even be able to play with something like that?" Illya's interest in the device increases by a large amount upon hearing of it's function. Clearly she's far more excited at the prospect of a games console than she is at the idea of it being a remote viewing device. Though that would be a quite nice Mystic Code to have. Though you haven't yet bothered to learn how to create any familiars for yourself yet, nor have you learned any methods to do so. While you easily could should you want to, it's completely pointless to do so while you're still having your magical energy suppressed by the necklace.

"Oh, you can play thousands of vastly different games by yourself on it, actually. It's really a wonder of modern technology. If you have multiple of them, you can even play games together with people!" At this point you sound like you're just giving a sales pitch for the Gameboy.

"T-thousands?" Illya repeats in awe that the device is capable of doing so much more than she originally expected of it.

"Well I only brought one with me today, but I'll show you how to play it, you might enjoy it!" You have Illya hand you the Gameboy and you boot up the device. Illya's eyes shine with excitement as the screen flickers to life and starts blaring out the boot-up sound, before it immediately crashes. There's a silence in the room, Illya still looking expectantly at the crashed screen. "Just... bare with me for one moment." Illya watches with an amused look on her face as you blow on the cartridge and then on the slot for the cartridge. Official advice be damned! If it works, then it works! You flick the device on once again, and this time the game boots without issue, the startup screen playing it's animation and various Pokémon show on the screen. You quickly erase your game before handing the device back to Illya after selecting 'New Game'.

"W-what am I supposed to do?" Illya is clearly going to need a tutorial behind the device, it seems. Hopefully she's not as completely hopeless when it comes to technology as Rin is. She thankfully seems to understand things after you give her a quick rundown of all the controls and buttons of the device. "So... I select my name like this, right?" It's been about fifteen minutes since you handed Illya the device and she's finally selecting her name after selecting the female trainer. Oh well, she's having fun at least. She does quickly start to get the hang of the game though, and before long has started progressing through the game in earnest. You aren't really sure what Acht is going to think about this, but you genuinely could not care less about what Acht would think. Of basically anything, but especially in regards to Illya's well-being. He's the one responsible for Illya's intended fate, after all. He's the one responsible for summoning Angra Mainyu, too! "Ha! I won, Shinji! Illya manages to defeat the rival trainer while you think about how Acht and the maids will take the introduction of technological entertainment into the Einzbern. Eventually, hours end up passing while Illya happily plays the game and you talk with her about things, then the light on the corner of the screen goes red, indicating the device has low battery. Illya doesn't know what it means, but is intelligent enough to surmise that it probably means something bad, so she looks up at you, her face slightly worried.

"Ah, you might want to save your game, Illya. The Gameboy runs on batteries, and you're almost out of charge. You're fortunate that I brought a few sets of batteries with me, otherwise you wouldn't be able to play anymore." You reach into your pocket and end up pulling out an 8-pack of AA Batteries. Enerloop brand. You didn't actually plan on this happening at all, yet the coincidence does bring a smile to your face. Illya does as you say, and no sooner than she's finished replacing the batteries, the door to the room opens and a maid walks through. You don't think it's Sella, and you can tell that it's definitely not Leysritt...

"Master Makiri. It is getting late. I have been assigned as your personal maid by Lord Jubstacheit for the duration of your stay here and have been commanded to escort you to your room." Hold on a second, you think you recognize her now, despite the nigh identical appearances of the Einzbern, you have noticed minor differences in their personality and body language that allow you to somewhat discern her identity. It's really thanks to your own massive amounts of training your body and your own speaking skills that you can even make the guess, and even then it's really only a guess.

"Very well... Giselle, was it?" The maid smiles faintly as you get her name correct, looks like you got it right. "Illyasviel. Feel free to keep the Gameboy. You seem to enjoy it." You decide to relinquish the Gameboy Advance to Illyasviel in it's entirety. It's not like you can't buy a new one anyway, besides, this way you can even show off the link cable to her next time you see her.

"Really? Thank you, Shinji!" This is the most excited you've seen Illya since you arrived at the Einzbern Castle. She's positively buzzing at the idea of being able to keep the device.

"But don't forget that you'll need somebody to buy AA batteries, otherwise you won't be able to play it when the batteries I gave you run out of charge!" You call out to Illya as you leave the room with Giselle. You've no real doubt that Illya will be able to convince one of the maids to leave the limits of the Einzbern's land to purchase batteries for her, it's really just a shame that you won't be able to see the resulting quest of whoever gets sent.

"Follow me, Master Makiri." Giselle leads the way to your room, and after about a minute of walking, you begin to grow a little tired of the silence of simply being escorted to your room, and looking at Giselle's back as she slowly walks in front of you, you...

>Think better of things and simply continue walking in silence. She probably doesn't want to talk with you anyway.
>Try to ask Giselle about herself to get to know her better. You're interested in the woman.
>Compliment Giselle's fighting skill, though she might have lost, she could've killed you quite easily if she wasn't restricted.
>Ask Giselle if she's happy about her life as a maid for the Einzbern.
>Write-in...

>>4371179
Compliment her on the fight and get to know her

>>4371186
support

>>4371179
>Ask Giselle if she's happy about her life as a maid for the Einzbern.

>>4371179
>Compliment her on the fight and get to know her
>Ask Giselle if she's happy about her life as a maid for the Einzbern.

>>4371186
Support

>>4371199
Supporting this one.
Enter the Homunculi Harem Route.
First Giselle, then Illya, then Sella and Leysritt, then the rest of the homunculi. Then we bring Irisviel and Justeaze back to life to cuck Kiritsugu and Zouken. Then finally Sieg-kun.

Lol.
I can't believe we've made Illya wanting Enerloop batteries canon. What are we, a Carnival Moment?
Shame she had to start with Gen 3 Pokemon though.
I'm glad she liked it at least.

>>4371179
>>Compliment Giselle's fighting skill, though she might have lost, she could've killed you quite easily if she wasn't restricted.

>>4371263
Dreams do come true

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We could try and get Illya a cellphone so we can stay in contact, Zouken probably doesn't even know what a cellphone is so I doubt he would be suspicious of anything

>>4371331
This and we can send her videos of our latest workout routine

>>4371331
>Zouken
That old worm sure gets around, huh?
Speaking of ol' wormdaddy. Let's kill him when we get back.
Monica can incinerate his ass.

>>4371379
We have no idea if he's put the heart worm in Sakura yet so we should probably hold off on just incinerating the bastard until we have a plan and more information.

>>4371370
Let’s send her our massive pecs

>>4371381
But I want to kill him now!

>>4371402
She'll be longing for that seaweed

>>4371415
Glorious nippon steel

>>4371402
Don't think cellphones can send pics yet, we might have to resort to making ASCII art of our pecs to flirt with Illya

You damn technophiles. What kinda magus are we, anyway? Vidya, cell phones, this is ridiculous.

>>4371179
>Compliment Giselle's fighting skill.
>Write in. Compliment her, use your perseption to find something unique about her appearance, even if it's something incredibly minor and compliment her on it looking good.
>Try to ask Giselle about herself to get to know her better. You're interested in the woman.
We can save asking her if she's happy for another time. For now start with what should look like casual flirting.

>>4371179
>Compliment Giselle's fighting skill, though she might have lost, she could've killed you quite easily if she wasn't restricted.

>>4371451
Shut up, Rin.

>>4371179
>>4371455
Support seeing if we can plant self consciousness

>>4371455
>Support
I can only guess that Acht has been spying on us the whole time and is annoyed by all these things we've introduced them to.

>>4371455
Support. We need to flirt with everybody

>>4371455
+1

>>4371455
Supporting.

>>4371455
Supporting this. We have all that charisma for a reason don’t we? May as well use it maybe try to woo her over ;)

>>4371815
Remember, one service maids can give is fellatio. And the Einzbern maids use halberds, which, like spears and "spears", can be polished. :^)

>>4371451
Technology is great, magic is great. Why chose just one?

Huh, so is everyone down for the maid rebellion now, or do people just want maid waifu?

>>4371860
Personally, maid waifu.

>>4371860
Nope. The only person in this castle worth paying attention to is Illya.

>>4371860
I'm flirting for the maid rebellion, but I'm not convinced it's even possible. As far as waifus go, we have Sakura waiting for us at home.

>>4371860
Testing the maid rebellion feasibility, don't really care for waifus until we develop the character more after all problem with homonculi waifus is its all fun and games until we find out she's near the end of her lifespan and has x months to live.

>>4371179
>Compliment Giselle's fighting skill, though she might have lost, she could've killed you quite easily if she wasn't restricted.

>>4371863
>not Illya

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>>4371934
>not Sakura

>>4371950
God, we need to help that girl before it's too late...

>>4371950
I’m here to save Sakura and marry Illya

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>>4371971
>I’m here to save Sakura and marry Illya
Obligatory;
"but who'll save Illya from Sakura?"

>>4371997
More like:
"Who will save all of them from Altrouge?"

>>4371186
Support

>>4371971
This

>>4371455
Supporting

>>4371967
Look man, I am not fucking look forward to the next visit with Sakura, we're 16 now and uh, those are when the bad times began

>>4372369
Can Sakura even become pregnant after the worms literally tore their way through her reproductive system for years on end?

>>4372374
Yes. Pretty sure Shirou give her kids in Hollow doesn't he?

>>4372374
well considering that she managed to regen after ripping into her own heart... i'd say so yeah

>>4372376
I don’t rmemebee this

>>4372391
Are you ok anon?

>>4372396
Typographical error

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Bros...
I'm really thinking about it...
Honestly...did we really do all that much for Sakura?
Like, we've made her early life better by being there for her and spoiling her like a princess, but it's not like we've stopped her from getting tortured for the past several years. We introduced her to Shirou but she would have done that on her own anyway. We haven't made her more confident or more able to handle life on her own. We've been gallivanting around the globe doing things to set up for the war, and sure that's very important don't get me wrong, but while we were doing that Sakura has been going through the same old shit she always does.
I guess having someone close by that can act as the light at the end of the tunnel and really encourage you to keep strong is always a good thing. But Sakura was always a pretty hopeful and strong person anyway, so what has Shinji really done here?
You know, besides make her emotionally dependent.
What if Shinji, despite his best intentions, is actively making her life worse?

>>4372430
There’s only so much we can do. Everything we’ve done so far has been to aid helping her

>>4372430
>You know, besides make her emotionally dependent.
She would have just been dependent on Shirou otherwise. At least we actually aren't as dense as Shirou is.

>>4372430
Not many wanted to improve our relationship with Sakura either, for some reason.

>>4372430
Anon, there's only so much we can do for her, remember, we're still likely unable to do anything against Zouken. I mean, I wanted to send Kerry after Zouken but apparently a good chunk of anons have a hate boner for him and voted until we would abandon him.

>>4372438
Fuck those guy(s)

>>4372438
Kerry can't exactly do anything really. Zouken isn't someone you can simply shoot or overpower. If it was that easy we wouldn't have so many problems with him.

And after Kerry dragged the Einzberns into it, it just wasn't worth it anyway. We literally got WoG that following him in his crusade would have been insanely deadly aka a really bad idea.

>>4372438
"good chunk of anons"

Pretty sure its two salty fucks and one of their VPNs

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>>4372433
I don't know man...I just get the feeling we could have done more and it hurts.

>>4372435
>She would have just been dependent on Shirou otherwise.
That's kinda what I mean. This would have been a perfect time to make her not that! To make her not emotionally dependent on Shinji, Shirou, or anyone else. To help her be a more mentally healthy person in general. And you say we aren't as dense as Shirou but what are we doing right now? The odds of Sakura not getting with Shinji is very very likely and we've done nothing to prepare her for that possibility. If anything she'll be worse off than she is in the Fate and UBW routes!

>>4372437
I think many people thought "improving" our relationship would be waifuing her further, rather than...well spending more time with her.

>>4372438
I honestly doubt there was anything we could have done to get Kerry to go after Zouken rather than run after the Einzberns. Even if we would have stopped him from running off on his own when given the chance, the idea of us then telling him to go after this other impossible to kill big bad instead of the one that has his daughter hostage seems pretty nutty. But at least your heart was in the right place.

>>4372464
Being mentally healthy isn’t a possibility when you spend your life as a worm fuck toy

>>4372464
Sakura did just fine in both UBW and Fate endings, despite not being with Shirou. She will be okay. We don't need to go overboard over the present since we are already working hard to solve the cause of her suffering. It's imo much more productive than spending time with her without reason, as that's just ameliorating the symptoms rather than finding a permeant cure.

>>4372446
Anon, I wanna have fun and live on the edge while playing a quest, its boring as shit if we just train and don't do anything risky that might benefit us. Plus it might be interesting to see what a Bad End looks like

>>4372449
oh yeah, almost forgot all those anons who mysteriously only voted once and only for that write in where we abandon Kerry. At least they quit bitching and got what they want

>>4372464
Look, I just wanted to either try to stop him or at least up the odds somehow. Saving our friends is on the top of my to do list much more than just training until we become essentially immortal. But we'll never know what we could've done now

>>4372464
>I honestly doubt there was anything we could have done to get Kerry to go after Zouken rather than run after the Einzberns.
I don't know about Zouken but I feel our big mistake was telling him about what was going on with Illya, if he didn't think she was currently at risk he might've postponed his next attempt at least long enough to ensure Kirei was dead instead of making it a rush job in order to go save daddy's little girl.

>>4371971
Now this is somebody talking sense.

>>4372477
>Anon, I wanna have fun and live on the edge while playing a quest, its boring as shit if we just train and don't do anything risky that might benefit us. Plus it might be interesting to see what a Bad End looks like
>>4372477
Then you can attack Zouken right now? Would that be enough edge for you?
That should be plenty deadly too.

>>4372489
there's a difference between life on the edge and suicide

>>4372479
We didn’t even choose that it was just part of the update

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>>4372471
Maybe not, but literally any attempt could have been made rather than just shrugging our shoulders and letting it happen. Shinji has been in the perfect position to help her and the fact that we haven't even tried it is kinda heartbreaking.

>>4372476
>Sakura did just fine in both UBW and Fate endings.
It has been a while since I've played Fate Stay Night, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but in one arc she all but disappears from the story, in the other, she falls into a deep depression, and in Heaven's Feels route it's all but stated that she basically NEEDS Shirou to be truly happy in life.
Please tell me I'm retarded and I'm just misremembering things. Please.

>>4372477
>Saving our friends is on the top of my to do list
All I'm saying is saving the characters we like from death is all well and good, but as we've seen from the disaster that was that whole situation, saving them from death doesn't necessarily mean they'll live happy lives afterward.
You might want to blame that on samefags, but I don't think trying to "save" Kerry the way we did would have led to anything good.

>>4372479
>I don't know about Zouken but I feel our big mistake was telling him about what was going on with Illya
I have a really really strong feeling that simply stopping him from dying rather than trying to help him find fulfillment in his life beforehand was where shit really went wrong.

>>4372494
Odds are about as well as defeating a magus stronghold with combat homunculi on our own with only Kerry.

>>4372504
We’ve done basically all we could and are everyday working towards zoukens eradication

>>4372504
>Shinji has been in the perfect position to help her and the fact that we haven't even tried it is kinda heartbreaking.
Tell me about it, as important as she is to his decisions she's lucky get more than a mention per timeskip if that, but I guess that's what happens when any outcome that doesn't keep her as a background character and has her getting directly involved in major events can be summed up as 'mistakes were made'

You yawn and stretch before you begin speaking to the dutiful maid escorting you to your room. "You know, Giselle. You're awfully strong. If you hadn't been forced to hold back in that fight, I never would've beaten you. You could've killed me with a single bare handed blow." Let's see how she responds to being praised for her fighting ability, shall we?

"Of course, I was created with physical strength as a core part of my being. It is to be expected that I should overpower my enemies in totality. If I was unable to, I would be deemed as a failure." Despite the praise you give her, Giselle seems completely non-plussed. "I am of course thankful that Lord Jubstacheit did not deem it necessary to dispose of me due to my inability to defeat an unarmed opponent incapable of using magecraft. This too is testament that despite my failures, I am still a homunculus of the highest quality." There's a hint of pride in her voice as she says that.

You feel a little sick when Giselle mentions being 'disposed of' with so little emotion, almost as if she considers being used and destroyed at a whim to be a perfectly natural and normal thing. It disgusts you, that they would think so little of their own lives in order to simply act as tools for the Einzbern. But you certainly can't hate the homunculi for being this way. Fully sentient life created and taught during their very creation to act as slaves all for the sake of achieving a millennia old wish. "Why would you be disposed of? It was just a friendly spar, and you really are incredibly powerful!"

"All that spar did was prove that I am incapable of incapacitating a normal human being. It is a point of shame that I will never forget. Being defeated by you." All of a sudden, the conversation seems to be taking a turn towards painting you in a negative light. That you were somehow in the wrong for defeating the woman, it was in the end a challenge of proving your own worth by diminishing Giselle's own, when you think about it.

"H-hey! I'm not a normal human at all! I'm a champion martial artists! Don't try to say that our spar was a measure of your incapability to do anything!" You try to convince Giselle to think of things in a more positive way.

"You... You called me unskilled." Giselle actually seems to be somewhat upset by merely recalling what you said during your fight with her. In truth you were just showing off, but it seems like your opponent has really taken what you said quite seriously. "And I must agree. My own skill is irrelevant. My combat strength would be non-existent without the physical power of the body I was created with." This conversation is actually going in the complete opposite direction that you hoped it would. "We've arrived at your room, Master Makiri. Shall I show you in or do you no longer have need of me?" She changes the subject with ease as she turns to face you in front of a door before you even get the chance to try to correct her on the praise you gave her. Damn it!

"Actually Giselle. I want to ask you to do something else for me." She remains silent as she awaits your orders. "Could you... remove your hood?" You'd really like to be able to compliment Giselle on something more major than just her body language, so her hair is really your only option her. She doesn't ask for any confirmation or clarification on your request, and simply takes off the hood that was concealing her long silver blond hair, it's slightly wavy and extends past her shoulders. "I just wanted to see your hair, actually. I much prefer you without your hood on, Giselle, it's really a crime that you are forced to wear that uniform which conceals your beautiful hair." It really is beautiful, actually. You were honestly a little bit taken aback by how beautiful Giselle truly is when she's not wearing the frankly silly looking uniform of the Einzbern.

"I... thank you, for your kind words." Giselle this time clearly doesn't know how to respond, and manages only after some effort to grind out an awkward thank you along with a faint blush. It seems that complimenting her on her appearance is a far more effective way of making her happy than complimenting her on her strength. Especially after she lost to you. It's annoying though, Giselle really is tremendously strong!

"If you don't mind me asking, Giselle. What is it that you actually get up to in your free time? Do you have any hobbies?" There must be something that the maids and butlers of the Einzbern do when they aren't fulfilling their duties.

"We homunculi are not permitted to engage in such flights of fancy as that. When I am not on duty, I rest. That is what I was created for." It actually stings a little to know just how much that Giselle's development as a living being has been stunted. She thinks herself to be nothing more than an automaton that exists to fulfill the wishes of the Einzbern, but you've really just proven to yourself that Giselle at least has emotions of her own.

>"Thank you Giselle, but I must bid you goodnight, I no longer require your services for the day."
>"I wouldn't mind if you showed me around the guest accommodations actually, Giselle."
>"Well, if you don't have any hobbies of your own, why don't we see about playing a game together? Do you know the rules of Chess?"
>Continue flirting with Giselle.
>Write-in...

>>4372527
>"Well, if you don't have any hobbies of your own, why don't we see about playing a game together? Do you know the rules of Chess?"

>>4372527
>"Well, if you don't have any hobbies of your own, why don't we see about playing a game together? Do you know the rules of Chess?"
Hopefully Acht doesn't simply throw her out once she gets attached to is.

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>>4372509
>We’ve done basically all we could
Honestly, I don't think that's true, but maybe I'm just stressing out about nothing.

>>4372518
We still have one more timeskip coming up. Now that we're getting closer to the war, there isn't much to do besides train and keep in touch with our inner circle anyway. Kerry is...helped, We're already pretty rich and are bound to get richer by the end of the war without any input, Shirou is a fucking powerhouse in the making and our connections with the Einzberns and folks like the Fujimura are firmly established. We can find time to focus on Sakura a bit just to make 100% sure she'll be alright and not fall into a doom spiral when neither Shirou or Shinji pick her for waifu, can't we?

>>4372527
>"I wouldn't mind if you showed me around the guest accommodations actually, Giselle."
I have a feeling she might be overly resistant to the idea of playing a game with us, so talking with her as she does her normal duties should allow us to get through to her easier.
We might run into some of her sisters as well which should be good.

>>4372527
>"I wouldn't mind if you showed me around the guest accommodations actually, Giselle."

>>4372527
>I apologise for my earlier comments, I didn't realise that you'd take it to heart. If you wanted I'd be more than happy to teach you some of the basics of my fighting style, then you would have both power and skill to perform your duties.

>>4372527
>>4372587
+1
I don't think teaching her Chess when she's been created with physical prowess as her #1 identifying feature is the best way to get her to like us more.

>>4372587
Supporting.

>>4372527
>>4372543
Changing to >>4372587

>>4372527
>"I wouldn't mind if you showed me around the guest accommodations actually, Giselle."
Good to know our way around the place, you never know when it might come in handy.

>>4372587
Supporting

>>4372527
>>4372529
>"I wouldn't mind if you showed me around the guest accommodations actually, Giselle."
Changing to this.

>>4372527
>"I wouldn't mind if you showed me around the guest accommodations actually, Giselle.

>>4372527
>"I wouldn't mind if you showed me around the guest accommodations actually, Giselle.

>>4372527
>>4372587
>I apologise for my earlier comments, I didn't realise that you'd take it to heart. If you wanted I'd be more than happy to teach you some of the basics of my fighting style, then you would have both power and skill to perform your duties.
support this

Support
>I apologise for my earlier comments, I didn't realise that you'd take it to heart. If you wanted I'd be more than happy to teach you some of the basics of my fighting style, then you would have both power and skill to perform your duties.

>>4372527
backing >>4372587
hopefully this won't progress to
>Giselle starts to teach all other maids baijiquan
>entire Einzbern homunculi household knows baijiquan eventually
>curbstomp kiritsugu when he FINALLY begins his attempt to save Illya

Might be a good idea to slip in some of the spiritual stuff that comes with any martial art. Though bajiquan is a bit more practical about that I think.

Make it about being one with the root.

>>4372995
You OK?

Yeah? I remember doing martial arts as a kid. Spiritual stuff might help focus on individualism / spiritualism or whatever.

Looking at the maid standing statue still outside your room's door, you sigh and shake your head. You have to make this right. "I apologize for my earlier comments, Giselle. I might not be here for very long, but if you would like, I could teach you the basics of my fighting style in order to prevent you from losing to another person like me." Really, it's the least you can offer her now that you realize just how poorly she took her loss to you. Giselle was created solely with the defense of the Einzbern in mind. That she lost to you under those circumstances must be soul-crushing for her, while the fight was put to a stop before it could properly develop to it's conclusion, it was pretty obvious that you massively had the upper hand the moment you managed to close the distance. "This way you'll be able to properly defend the Einzbern from threats with similar abilities to me."

"Are you really offering to train me... to make it so you would lose to me if we fought again?" Giselle sounds uncertain of your suggestion, her voice filled with doubt. Of course, from her position, it would likely seem nonsensical. Why would you care about what happened to her at all, or about her combat ability?

"Well, of course. I don't want you feeling like your strength is the only reason behind you existing. If you're unskilled at combat, then there's only one solution, isn't there?" Really, the offer you're making her is primarily motivated out of guilt. You were unaware of just what the consequences might've been for defeating an Einzbern Homunculus would've been for the losing homunculus. You never would've taken such a course of action if you knew that their loss to you could very well have led to them being killed for their failure. "You see Giselle, we are all created to serve a purpose in one way or another. But it's only through finding your own purpose that you can truly be considered alive." What you're saying is not strictly true, but at the same time it is. Benefits of knowing the truth behind reality is that you know that everyone you've ever met was created to serve a narrative purpose. But only you can allow them to expand upon that purpose to truly begin to live. Only you can help these fictional characters truly begin to exist. It is only by your own actions that they can be freed from their already written existences. It is only through your interference that the future cannot be truly predestined. You are the most important person on the entire planet in that regard. Everyone except yourself is a slave to their own fate, but the longer you interact with people, the less you start to see those people in particular as fictional. There's always going to be that feeling at the back of your head though, no matter how long you interact with any single person. 'You don't exist. Disappear.' Thankfully though, you have a good handle on that particular negative thought that plagues your mind, and as long as things remain that way, you don't think you're going to have any problems with considering people as real. Well, almost real.

"Then I will accept your offer to teach me some of your fighting skills. I don't really get why you want to help me at all, nor about rising above the purpose I was created. I'm just a homunculus to be disposed of, after all." Yes, that is exactly the reason you ought to wish to rise above your own created purpose, Giselle. Why are these homunculi so fine with the idea of their own death? They'll sacrifice themselves for nothing? Never experiencing any form of genuine happiness? "But I will not refuse the offer to make myself more capable in fulfilling my duties." It's the complete opposite of the sort of response you were hoping for, but you'll have to take it for now. Does she really not get it? That there is more to life than her programmed wish to serve the Einzbern? With enough time, you're certain you could make her believe otherwise, but as things are now, Giselle is still content with the life of a slave to be executed at a whim. "Though it is getting quite late, Master Makiri. So I would suggest you get some sleep. I will be happy to receive your guidance in fighting tomorrow."

You yawn once again, she's right. As much as you would like to teach Giselle some of your Bajiquan now, it really is getting too late, and you don't know how fatigued that Giselle is from her own duties as a maid. It would be summarily unfair to attempt to teach a woman who is likely in truth nearly completely exhausted from waking at whatever time she is required to to fulfill her duties as a maid for the Einzbern. You're actually fairly tired yourself, and it's likely not the best time to be trying to teach skills that require the utmost focus with the two of you in such states. Of course, you can't just stand in the hallway forever, so you finally decide to open the door to the guest room, it's quite a beautiful room itself, not on the scale of Illya's room, nor is it quite as beautiful or exquisitely furnished, but it clearly cost an incredible amount to furnish, just like basically everything in the Einzbern's Castle. If you aren't mistaken, there was some anecdote somewhere that actually mentioned the Einzbern came into possession of Das Rheingold at some time. You wonder if that cursed pile of treasure might have something to do with their continued lack of success in practically every regard.

Giselle follows you into the room, and while you look around the room, she uses that time to take a breath before she says her next line. "I do have one more question that I am... required to ask you by Lord Jubstacheit." She hesitates for a moment before continuing. "Would you say that I... have proven myself capable as acting as your personal maid?" What on Earth is she getting at with a question like that?

>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>"If this is some sort of roundabout way of asking me if I want you to continue to act as my maid for the duration of my stay, then I won't say no."
>"You were adequate, Giselle. But I do get the feeling that this isn't really an area you specialize in."
>Write-in...
And
>Skip to the end of the Einzbern visit.
>Play through the second day of the visit.You will get the same sort of results either way, unless you play through the second day and manage to make a poor decision.

>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."

But also:
>”Unfortunately I am here against the wishes of my grandfather and have a duty to return soon. I would like you to serve me for a while longer, but unfortunately I can’t have that.”

>>4373037
Of course you have and skip to the end.

>>4373037
>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>Skip to the end of the Einzbern visit.

>>4373037
Oh fuck. Now that's the "alternative mindset" shit I like to see! Shinji is fucking nuts and I love it!
Anyway
>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
I'm not sure if it's Acht plan specifically or it's just how things are done with the guests of the Einzberns, but using Giselle as a point man so we don't spread the taint of self determination to the the other maids is a solid move. Maid Rebellion, while proven possible, might have just been killed in its cradle if accepting Giselle means we won't have contact with the other maids, but rejecting her might very well lead to her death, which would be awful.
Oh well.
>Skip to the end of the Einzbern visit.

>>4373037
>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>Play through the second day of the visit.

I want to see if we can get Illya that cellphone before we go

>>4373037
>>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
And
>skip to the end

>>4373037
>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."

>Skip to the end of the Einzbern visit.

>>4373037
>Of course and skip.
There's the alien mindset.
Damn it, Shinji.
Well I guess that much is to be expected.

>>4373037
>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>Play through the second day of the visit.

>>4373037
>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>Play through the second day of the visit.
Fucking hell Shinji

>>4373037
>>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>>Skip to the end of the Einzbern visit.

>>4373037
>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>Play through the second day of the visit.

>>4373037
>>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>Play through the second day of the visit.

>>4373037
>>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>>Play through the second day of the visit.

So now that we're confirmed to actually be insane enough for a reality marble by considering literally all of existence to be beneath us in some way, I really can't wait for the inevitable confrontation with Gilgamesh.
We need to smugly call him a worthless footnote and pick apart his retarded plan.

All these phone posters

>>4373037
Of course and skip to next part

Shinji is actually so broken that I think only somebody equally broken like Manaka would have the potential to fix him.

>>4373164
That's why we should pursue her

>>4373037
>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>Play through the second day of the visit.

>>4373167
Well we dreamed of her I think.
So there's at least some connection there.
I doubt she'd accept being part of a harem.
She might if it was Arturia though.

>>4373164
>Fix Him
And why in the fuck would we want to do that?
Do you want the reality marble or don't you?

>>4373037
>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>Skip to the end of the Einzbern visit.

>those inner thoughts
It is almost if posting in the thread affects actual progression of the plot, separated from choices. With our dice being power of our Truth as if we are actually some Outer God with Shinji Matou being a meat puppet rationalizing entire thing to make it look like his own will.
Kind of reminds me of those proto-Neuralink research projects were scientists made animals move via electrodes connected to the brain. Since brain activity of those animals was no different from when were moving on their own scientists theorycrafted that every command animals received was interpereated by a brain as its own will.
But that would be hell of a twist and way too meta to be true.

Why hasn't Alaya labelled us a threat to humanity yet?

>>4373199
I think you’re thinking about it too hard

>>4373200
Because we aren't a threat.
What have we done that's threatening to anyone?

>>4373202
I don't think you're thinking about it hard enough.

>>4373205
Existed.
We're a foreign existence to the planet.
We should've set off the defense system.

>>4373202
The thing is: It does make sense from in-universe perspective and was referenced by Touko.
>>4373200
>>4373205
>>4373213
Thus far we seems to be constantly working for a benefit of Alaya like Mysterious Heroine XX in FGO. Might be a reason why we yet to meet some junitor.

So do you guys think we'll be able to get the RM and our Truth manifestation and manipulation shit going before the war starts?
We've been hitting on all cylinders every time we get the chance to practice them, but we still haven't truly broken through to making them useful tools. At this rate, I'm not sure if it's even possible to get them functional before the war starts or if we need to do something drastic to really make things click for Shinji.
Either way, would it be best to keep pushing them for what might be minimal results or try to incorporate our truth with other forms of magecraft, like we did with Truth Healing?

>>4373037
>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>Skip to the end of the Einzbern visit.

>>4373231
>try to incorporate our truth with other forms of magecraft, like we did with Truth Healing?
The way our healing turned out to be is likely had something to do with interaction between our Affinity and Origin.
Going by that we might have a good shot at getting similar results from things like Bounded Fields, Absorption, Counter-Magic or Curses?
Although if we can push any magecraft into that state our Reinforcement can become Self-Modification?

>>4373210
I dont care about our origin i just want to save sakura and marry illya

>>4373270
A noble and valid goal if there ever was one.

>>4373270
Hear, hear!

>>4373253
Why do you think I've been pushing for runes? It might interact with truth, and runes are super useful anyways. Gandr Shot gives us a non-truth attack, you can enchant equipment with runes to defense and to hit harder, use them for things like tracking spells and support magic.
They are super fucking useful

>>4373037
>>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>>Skip to the end of the Einzbern visit.

>>4373306
I think we should learn projection too, especially since we know how to Trace.

>>4373523
projection plus truth could be broken

>>4373523
The mana cost would be too high for projection to actually be useful, even if we have a ton. The only reason why Shirou can use it is because his entire existance and magecraft abilities are specifically tailored to strenghten projection, which we don't have.

>>4373574
We understand the process he uses to make replicas, and we have the ability to manifest Truth.
Projection can't be more costly than truth manifestation, and would last longer if we apply tracing to it.
We also take less mana to cast those spells than normal mages would, and what they would consider to be a high mana cost is tiny for us.

I also believe that it may be able to make truth manifestation last longer, since with tracing applied Gaia shouldn't be able to tell if it's not natural, going by the Projections Shirou had in his shed.

There's genuinely only one sort of answer that you can give the maid, when it comes to actually acting as a maid she's really only led you to your room, after all, so there is quite literally nothing to find fault with in her performance. "Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle." Never mind that actually being critical as to her performance may very well end up in her death if Acht is feeling particularly vindictive towards her.

"I'm... glad that you feel that way... Lord Makiri." What? Have you graduated from being called Master now? It doesn't feel quite right to be called a Lord when you officially hold no noble title that would grant you the right to actually be referred to as such. Then again, it's not really like you can imagine Acht actually holds a true noble title, considering that he's some sort of advanced golem. "Goodnight, Lord Makiri. If you require my services once more, please simply call my name. Within the bounds of the Einzbern Castle, we homunculi are magically alerted whenever our names are spoken aloud with the intent to summon us." That actually sounds like quite the advanced piece of magecraft, actually. You wonder how it is attuned to so many of the maids and how often the bounded fields require updating due to the creation of new homunculi... Giselle curtsies as she leaves the room while you ponder on the specifics of the Einzbern's bounded field. Seems that it does a lot more than just repel unwanted visitors.

With nothing else to do, you decide it would probably be for the best if you were to get some sleep after all. You have a busy day of getting to know Illya better... or rather getting Illya to like you more, ahead of you tomorrow, and you wouldn't want to be unprepared for dealing with the whims of the small homunculus girl, she can be quite the handful when she wants to be, but thankfully it seems that her attention has truly been enraptured by the games console that you gave her. For somebody who has lived the majority of their life in boredom like Illya, that sort of entertainment media must be like something of a drug to her.

The two days pass in blissful happiness as you work to truly make Illya like you, and you feel like by the end of your time with her, you have become one of Illya's closest friends, your only real competition is Leysritt honestly. You refrained from making any form of romantic move on Illyasviel within the bounds of the Einzbern Castle though. Acht knows exactly what happened the last time the person he had got to help the Einzbern win the grail war fell in love with the lesser grail. So while there is a part of you that wants to do so, you are held back by fear of Acht's retribution or the alliance falling apart thanks to your rash actions. There's also the problem that despite Illya being about a year or two older than you, she looks about six years younger than you do. Of course, if you were around her for long enough you'd probably get over that particular... quirk of her body though. You never really found one body type more attractive than the other, honestly. You can appreciate beauty in most of it's forms after all, it's just that the morality of the world you held to in your other life keeps worming its way into the forefront of your mind. It's not like it would be impossible for you to truly fall in love with Illya though, she really is adorable when she wants to be. She's also completely terrifying when she wants to be, but aside from a few... playful threats, she's been as good as gold when it comes to keeping the more unhinged part of her personality under control.

Your training with Giselle goes surprisingly well. Despite her complete lack of any martial arts skill, the combat homunculus is actually a remarkably quick study when it comes to activities like increasing her own combat skill. Her progress is incredible that in only two days, you're already teaching her some of the more advanced techniques you know of. Still, she's not quite as quick a study as you were, and you can still see the flaws in some of her attacks as she practices, but she has very much taken the lessons you have given her to heart and as a result is likely the strongest homunculi among the Einzbern when it comes to pure fighting ability. You managed to confirm that Giselle was not quite as strong as Leysritt, but she should still be strong enough to lift and throw a car with ease. A single elbow strike from Giselle would be enough to turn a normal person's upper body into chunky gore.

Giselle also takes the role of being your personal maid, providing everything you ask for and even a great deal that you don't ask her for. Despite her original... stiffness, when it came to acting as a maid for you, you can see that the woman truly excels at her job as a maid. Almost as much as she now excels as a combatant. Ever since she realized the true power of martial arts, Giselle has continually taken any opportunity she can to give you her thanks. Guess that's one way of letting somebody know you appreciate something they did for you.

Eventually though, the day of your departure comes, and you find yourself saying your farewells to Illyasviel, who is looking at you with an annoyed expression on her face. You can't really reveal the true reason behind your departure to the Einzbern. Full disclosure as to why you do what you do is something that you don't really intend to allow anyone to gain insight on, at least not until you've already achieved your goals. Then you can reveal to people your motivations. But probably not the complete truth of the world. The knowledge that the world is but a story would likely be enough to break the fragile minds of almost anybody who is told the truth of what they are. At best you would be able to process that sort of knowledge with only a mere existential crisis, but for the majority it would completely destroy their mind.

"I don't see what could be so important that you have to take care of it in Fuyuki instead of spending more time with me." Illya is pouting. "You're... fun to talk with." Clearly Illya doesn't want to reveal what could really be called her new-found addiction to the Game Boy Advance. Unlike most magi when it comes to technology, Illyasviel seems to actually enjoy it. Funny how much her opinion on technology differs from that of Acht. "You'll come back when you get the time, right?" You suppose you should consider it a very good thing that Illyasviel is looking forward to your next visit.

"I'll promise to at least try, Illya." You don't really know what the next years before the grail war will hold for you, but you'll definitely at least try to visit the Einzbern a few times to see Illya once again. She even smiles at you as you give your answer. Really though, you absolutely want to continue to get Illya to like you. Despite your apprehension about her appearance slightly throwing you off, personality wise, she's incredible easy to get along with... just so long as she hasn't decided she wants to torture you to death or put your soul in a doll.

The Lord of the Castle himself has seen fit to see you off, Acht stands with Giselle behind him. Curiously, her hood is off once again, allowing you to see her long wavy hair again. "I bid you good luck in whatever it is you must do, Young Makiri." Just as it looks like Acht is going to turn and leave, he continues to speak. "I've decided upon something of a... farewell present, for you." Giselle steps forwards. "I took note of just how well you got along with Giselle here, and I am quite happy to have her accompany you on your travels. Think of her as a physical representation of our alliance." Wait a minute. He's just going to give you Giselle? What? You suppose you have the money to look after her, but it still seems like an odd decision on Acht's part... unless he intends her to act as some sort of spy for the Einzbern, and to report you if she notices any suspicious behavior. But then you know that Giselle might just be gotten rid of by the Einzbern if you were to just outright refuse her here.

>Accept Giselle and have her come back with you to Fuyuki.
>Decline the offer and have Giselle stay with the Einzbern.
>Accept Giselle and ask for an additional maid so that Giselle has someone to talk to.
>Ask for a guarantee that Giselle wouldn't be spying on you.
>Write-in...

>>4373915
She 100% is spying on us, though I don't really want her to be killed off

>Write-in
>"Although I appreciate the offer, bringing Giselle back with me at the present time would likely raise suspicion, and could jeopardize our alliance. When things have been taken care of I would be happy to accept her."

>>4373915
Can we take Illya instead?
>Accept Giselle and have her come back with you to Fuyuki.
The spy thing is an acceptable risk, not something I'm really worried about.

>>4373915
>Accept Giselle and have her come back with you to Fuyuki.

>>4373915
>>4373935
This. We can't keep her where Zouken will find her, and as far as Acht knows we don't have anywhere else to put her but the Matou manor.
And while it's risky, I doubt that Acht would so easily throw away what is now their more combat capable maid.
I mean he might, it's fucking Acht, but it's a risk we're gonna have to take.
Also WhatIs, what are Giselle's meassurements? Is she as...big as Leysritt, or is she more stella sized?

>>4373915
>>Accept Giselle and have her come back with you to Fuyuki.
Ahah! Finally we can replace Sakura completely.
>Giselle, shovel the snow off the roof!

>>4373915
>>4373935
Support, at the latest have her brought over to their manor early to 'prepare it for the HGW', outside the timeskip 2 years is a long time and last thing we need is Zouken to notice us beginning to align with his main rival.

Giselle/Illya oyakodon when?

>>4373935
>>4373943
>>4373946
I mean, we can just buy her an apartment in Fuyuki.

>>4373943
Measurements-wise, Giselle is just a little smaller than Sakura.

>>4373935
support

>>4373915
>>Accept Giselle and have her come back with you to Fuyuki.

>>4373915
Accept Giselle

>>4373950
Way I figure why through the trouble to personally set up someone with an apartment who previously lived in an isolated commune, when we could instead ask Acht to have her sent to the existing Einzbern manor in 6 months to a year or so to 'prepare it for future occupation', at least that way it's much less noticeable what's going on to outsiders even without looking at the paper trail (while also giving us time to plan to cover our tracks).

At this point, I am willing to risk getting a bad end in an attempt to kill Zouken as soon as we get back, I think we have a decent shot with our skills.

>>4373936
>Can we take Illya instead?
If only.

>>4373915
I want to get rid of Zouken when we get back, so this is acceptable to me.

>>4373950
That's not the point.
She's clearly going to be used as a fucking spy and the closer she is, both physically and emotionally, the easier it'll be for Acht to get more and more info on us.
We wouldn't be able to get away with half of the shit we've been doing if Zouken even gave the slightest shit to even pay someone to look out for us. And in case our dealings with the man hasn't made it clear, Acht isn't someone we want knowing about our life. He's just as, if not more dangerous, than Zouken.

>>4373954
I was expecting between Leysritt and Sakura, but I can't be disapointed with that I suppose.

>>4373915
>>Accept Giselle and have her come back with you to Fuyuki.

We can't be seen outside with her, at all. It would raise too many questions to be seen with someone so distinctive. Even if we put her in normal clothes, she'll stand out like a sore thumb and any mage in the city would know the look of an Einzbern Homunculi. If we get her an apartment, she'd have to stay there, by herself, for possibly days at a time for what might be years. If she really is on orders to spy on us, then she'll probably go out of her way to follow us around, and while Shinji is pretty damn perceptive, it's still a huge hassle. And that's not even mentioning the possibility of her spying on other people, like Shirou or Sakura. We could get Touko to make us another puppet, but then we have to worry about 3 different Shinji's walking around the same city, all occupying the same spaces, talking to similar people, and there's also the chance she'll catch on to the fact that she's talking to a puppet like Sakura has and then report that to Acht, which opens that whole can of worms. Speaking of worms, sure Zouken doesn't give two shits about Shinji now, but with dear old dad on death's door, Zouken will be paying at least some attention to us. Now, more than ever is the time to lock things down.
I honestly don't know how you guys expect this to go. What's the fucking plan here?

>>4373935
Support. Giselle is cute and I want to ruffle her pretty hair.

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I vote we keep Giselle, sometimes a man needs a maid, also what is a magician without his charming assistant. We can hide her in our lab or closet or.... Something.

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>>4374015
Look guy, good taste in maid waifu, but we can't fucking us her as any time of assistant, she's not supposed to know we can use magic! We can't hide her with Touko because then she knows about Touko, something we've been trying to keep hidden from literally everyone! Giselle is cute and I want to keep her around too, but we have to be smart about this. She's a walking security risk and we need to treat her as such.

>>4374002
>What's the fucking plan here?
There is no plan, only coom.

>>4373915
>>Accept Giselle and have her come back with you to Fuyuki.

>>4373915
>>4373935
This, though if Acht proposes a reasonable solution, accept it

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>>4374025
C000000000000000000M!!!

>>4373915
>>4373935
Supporting.
Let's at least confirm the kill on Zouken and get our house in order.

>>4373915
>>4373935
support

>>4373915
>>4373935
Supporting, we don't need her protection and we've already got enough fluff back home.

>>4373915
Supporting >>4373935 since the only place we can keep her right now is Garan no Dou.
And the last thing anyone interesting in us should be aware of is our relationship with Touko.

>>4373935
Support, but when you mean take care of, do you mean when we kill Zouken or after the war?

>>4374318
some point after killing Zouken when we have taken full control over the manor and have all our shit in order, ideally.

>"Although I appreciate the offer, bringing Giselle back with me at the present time would likely raise suspicion, and could jeopardize our alliance. When things have been taken care of I would be happy to accept her."

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Great this guy is back

>>4373915
>>4373935
Support


Also- how do we learn so much about acht I read stay night and HA and know nothing about him

>>4373915
>>Accept Giselle and have her come back with you to Fuyuki.

>>4373935
Supporting

>>4373935
+1

>>4373935
Killjoy

"Although I appreciate the offer, bringing Giselle back with me at the present time would likely raise suspicion, and could jeopardize our alliance. When things have been taken care of I would be happy to accept her." You can't accept Giselle right now, suddenly walking about with an Einzbern homunculus accompanying you would not only bring a lot of unwanted attention towards yourself in public whenever you had Giselle accompany you, but would also completely end your deception if you actually had her act as your maid. Not only that, but Zouken would definitely take notice if an Einzbern homunculus started walking around town with you, and that could only lead to disastrous consequences at the hands of Zouken for practically everyone you know who lives in Fuyuki. Except Touko. You're pretty certain that if Zouken tried to mess with her he'd quickly find himself dying for real, no matter what method he might try to use to survive. After all, you're fairly certain that Prelati is a far more talented magus than Zouken, and with a far greater method of not dying after being killed too.

"Oh, and when exactly do you expect that will be?" Acht pries into your affairs a little. You suppose it's to be expected though. If you were in Acht's position, you would probably want to have at least some way to ensure that somebody you've agreed to an alliance with wasn't planning on betraying you. Giselle is actually an excellent way for him to ensure that your offer has been made in good faith. But the fact is you did lie about your inability to use magecraft... If Giselle properly monitors what you get up to, you might not be able to conceal your magecraft practice with Touko from her like you have from Zouken.

"I'm not entirely certain if I will be able to successfully end my ancestor's life before the grail war, if I'm to be honest. I simply want to have the certainty offered by the overwhelming power of a Servant before I make my move to end his life, if I don't succeed then I could very well end up being killed." You look Acht directly in the eyes. "I am not a man who likes to take chances. I hate uncertainty. Everything I do when it comes to achieving my goals has been calculated to at least some degree. So I would have to request that Giselle not be given to me at least until the beginning of the grail war." At that point, you should have Rider at your side if Sakura ends up summoning a Servant, and if not, then your own Servant should have more than enough magical energy to defend you in a fighting retreat if things all fall apart. Still, you feel bad when Giselle looks a little upset that she won't be going with you. You don't really know why, either. Shouldn't she be happy about being able to continue serving the Einzbern here? While you don't agree with her thought processes, you know that she shouldn't be upset about not being able to leave the Einzbern's land.

"Very well. I can understand your reluctance to take Giselle with you, but she will still be going to Fuyuki." Acht is really quite insistent isn't he? Does he really not trust you? Not that you can really blame him for wanting to be certain of the authenticity of the offer.

"I... I will be?" Giselle sounds surprised, clearly this wasn't discussed with her before this offer was made to you. In fact, you don't even know if it was discussed with her at all.

"That is correct, Giselle. You will be observing the situation in Fuyuki as well as getting the castle there into a livable state for Illyasviel after nearly a decade of our absence from it." So that's his plan is it? He still has his spy in the city to observe you, but you just don't get to know when it is that you're being observed? A clever idea he's had, but it just means you'll need to start being even more observant from now on. Hopefully Giselle isn't too persistent in her pursuit of you, otherwise you really won't be able to keep your magical ability hidden... Maybe you can convince her not to follow you? Though you aren't sure if you'll be able to get somebody literally created with obedience as one of the core aspects of their being to go against the orders of their master. "Oh, and should you notice if young Master Makiri requires your assistance in any manner, please aid him." Acht turns to you with a smile on his face, the smile of a man who knows he's getting his own way "You don't have objections to this, I take?"

"No... it's... fine. Just so long as Giselle keeps herself out of sight and doesn't alert Zouken to the presence of the Einzbern in the city, then there will be no issue with her being in Fuyuki. Oh, and you should probably also avoid letting the Second Owner know of her presence. Miss Tohsaka might not be too pleased by the presence of an Einzbern Homunculus within the bounds of her territory." You pause for a moment as you remember that Rin never thought to look into the son of the magus killer himself despite knowing his last name and already having an interest in him thanks to seeing his high-jump. "Then again, I can't really vouch for her competence when it comes to the running of the city under her jurisdiction. She's as young as me, yet is really nowhere near as intelligent, so such inexperience with successfully running her territory is to be expected." You're pretty confident that you could have earned enough to purchase the damn country if you started off with the sort of capital Rin has... well had. Kirei saw to it that her family's immense fortune vanished thanks to his own incompetence with handling her estate.

Acht turns around, speaking one final time before he vanishes deeper into the Einzbern Castle "Well then, best of luck in your preparations, Master Makiri. I have high expectations of you for the war... What a pity that you were born without the ability to use magecraft..." If only you knew, Acht. If only you knew.

While Acht may have left you to leave of your own accord, Illyasviel is still staring at you, and you give the girl one last apologetic farewell as you truly leave the Einzbern Castle "Goodbye, Illyasviel. I hope to see you again soon." She remains silent as you walk away If the situation allows, you'd like to visit the Einzbern Castle at least twice more before the Grail War truly begins. Once a year at minimum. It is however quite irritating that you never got any information on what might've happened to Kiritsugu, but you suppose that now that Giselle is going to be in Fuyuki, it might be possible to glean the information from her.

It's a long walk back to the village, you're only thankful that you've got more than enough money to hire a cab to take you back to the airport... But now that the reality of returning to Japan is on the table, you should probably think of how to go about your return to the country. You know that you only have a few days at most before Zouken attempts to have you sleep with Sakura due to the crest worms that will eat her alive from the inside out if they aren't sated with magical energy.

>Accept that you're going to have to sleep with Sakura in order to save her when you're ready.
>Kill Zouken. Save Sakura. (Write-in plan only.)
>Write-in...

>>4374639
Sleep with her

>>4374639
>Kill Zouken. Save Sakura. (Write-in plan only.)
Get Grey to charge up Avalon, place it inside Sakura and forcibly rip out the crest worm out of her heart

wait what are the limits of Avalon? Can it, say, regenerate a lost limb or something like that?

>>4374639
>>Kill Zouken. Save Sakura. (Write-in plan only.)
Use truth to create a sword that can only cut it's target and will pass through anything else. Set it's target to Zouken and then stab Sakura through the heart with it, preferably by surprise so Zouken doesn't see it coming. It should kill the heart worm, but leave Sakura unharmed.

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Can Gray kill Zouken with Rhongomyniad in one go if she gets a jump on him?
She should be proficient enough to do so right now with our help.
Main problem is that it will get Gil on her ass right after.

shirous high jump didnt happen cause we saved kerry right?
If anyone can think of a good plan to kill zouken I will support it. I am not confident in anything I can come up with and I don't want to have sex until 30 because that's when we turn from a mage to a wizard

>>4374661
it doesn't matter, Zouken can survive as long as the crest worm is alive and that's in Sakura's heart right now, it makes things both easier and harder since killing the crest worm kills Zouken but we need to get into Sakura's heart to go through with it

>>4374666
Apparently it did because Rin looks at him different now and we can have sex now if we want, Sakura is lowkey obsessed with us

>>4374639
>Accept that you're going to have to sleep with Sakura in order to save her when you're ready.
Sometimes you just have to face the facts.

>>4374670
interesting. It's not about sakura it's about getting wizard powers.

>>4374677
I mean we can easily change, I think we should now actually, Rin should be a good Magus at this point and we really need to fix Sakura and Rin's relationship. Plus, Rin was sure she can beat Zouken, if we team up and tell her his weaknesses, we can absolutely kill him

>>4374639
First, we need to know exactly where Zouken will be. He's a fucking hermit, there are probably only 4 places in the house he frequents, so we find the one that's the easiest to get into. Once we have that we use our connection to the Fujimura group to get a bunch of explosives and plant them in the set location. The night we execute the plan, we do what >>4374658 suggests and cut out the worms from Sakura's body with a truth blade while she's sleeping, as to not alert the heart worm, while simultaneously detonating the bomb. The explosion and the destruction of the crest worms need to be timed perfectly. If we get rid of the worms in Sakura tp early then we will alert Zouken that somebody is fucking with her. If we wait too long after Zouken is dead, he'll regenerate.

>>4374639
>Kill Zouken
>Drug Sakura, rip out her heart and heal it with Avalon.

>>4374670
Still want to fuck Sakura, but not when she's got worms.

>>4374685
hell yeah, my fucking plan is supported by someone else

>>4374689
same, like, I don't wanna be coerced and forced into sleeping with someone, I think if this plan works and we kill Zouken, we should try to sleep with her

>>4374639
>Kill Zouken. Save Sakura. (Use Truth Manipulation to change an ordinary knife into one that will only cut Crest Worms and go to town on Sakura while she sleeps. Pay Monica to distract Zouken while we do it.)

>>4374700
And by "only cut Crest worms", I mean one that will pass through all other matter and only cut the worms.

>>4374639
>>Kill Zouken. Save Sakura. (Write-in plan only.)
I'm not good at plans so I'll support whatever the majority votes for if this wins (which looks like it will).

>>4374639
If we're trying to remove the worm we should try weakening it first with antihelmintics. Praziquantel, Nitazoxanide kill roundworms and blood flukes and should be somewhat effective against crest worms. Additional drugs we could try are Monepantel and Derquantel due to their use in treating parasitic infections with worms resistant to other antiparastitics. These will probably cause Sakura to be ill so we'll need Grey and avalon on standby to remedy their effects and for when we finally rip out the damn worm. I hope while we're at it and stealing these drugs we steal anesthetics and surgical equipment so we can do this whole worm removal properly. Probably would be best to find and hypnotize a cardiologist to do a checkup on Sakura afterwards to make sure avalon did it's job and healed any damage done afterwards.

>>4374719
so we start the grail war, take cu to the vet for heartworm medication then use it on sakura. Got it.

>>4374724
Really we should just fuck Sakura and build up the meds and resources over time. When the time comes slip some fentanyl in her tea or whatever we need to sedate her then we start the surgical bullshit.

Reminder that
>While you could theoretically rid Sakura of the crest worms now with Avalon, you don't actually have a way to kill Zouken that you are confident would work, and he might just kill Sakura out of spite or somehow reject Avalon from entering her body.
So, we really REALLY need to both Kill Zouken AND remove the worms from Sakura in order for this whole thing to work. Also, any use of Avalon probably isn't viable.

>>4374730
in hollow atraxia zouken has a maid that helps him get out of bed to go piss so why don't we just give im a ton of laxatives after a particularly fatty meal

>>4374639
>Kill Zouken. Save Sakura. (Write-in plan only.)
My keikaku juices are low for the moment being, I'll support any plan that has majority support.

Couldn't we just take Sakura and run after getting the worms out of her?

>>4374813
No, Zouken needs to die.
I'm sure we could lie and say that our fists are anti-worm or something.

>>4374818
Do we need to kill him right now though? Why not wait until we have our servant?

>>4374823
Because as soon as he finds out he's missing the thing that's keeping him from dying then we're fucked. So we need to get rid of that worm, call in all our contacts that can fight and dog pile the fucker.

Can't we just summon servant now?

>>4374639
Drug Sakura, conjure Truth blade to kill worms only, start hacking and slashing from heart as much as possible everywhere on and in Sakura. Use of Monica or Fujimura group to distract Zouken could also be a viable option in addition, though Zouken might be able to use the worms to remotely awaken Sakura to get her to safety and protect the core worm.

Does destroying core worm instantly kill Zouken, or can he regen that too?

>>4374639
Ethics aside I doubt even Zouken's disinterest will hide us for long now. He needs to be put down but I'm the first to admit I'm kind of blanking on how.

I wanna save Sakura! But I have no idea how we could do so. The truth blade thing might work, but then who all do we have on our side to help with fighting Zouken? Monica, maybe Waver, but anyone else? Shirou isn't strong enough I think, but could be convinced to help us. Kiritsugu is missing so he's out. Our sensei wants us to succeed without her help...

>>4374853
It's the core of his soul, with it gone he will eventually die, but he can still muster himself together as long as his body is alive.
Killing both at once will leave him struggling to reform himself, a state that could end instantly if he saw an Einzbern Homunculus and remembers his purpose so he can pass on, otherwise he'll be stuck clinging to life by a thread constantly reforming his body with the blueprint of his old soul.

I'm not sure we should drug Sakura, Zouken watches everything she does and us drugging her is pretty suspicious.
Truth blade to kill the worms sounds like a neat idea, but their corpses would be left inside Sakura.
I don't know if Zouken can reform them afterward, but iirc the ones in Sakura's womb have fused with her body and require a surgery to remove, just killing them should cause her severe internal damage, if it's the same situation with her heart then killing the worm would kill Sakura as well.

We only have a few days here, and calling up Gray could take too long, so Avalon would still be sealed inside Shirou.

What if we manipulate the truth of Sakura's body to be one that can't die, then extract all the worms and heal her wounds afterwards?
Or manifest a tool to extract the worms from Sakura, maybe like a suction device, then heal her once they're out?
Zouken won't be able to force her compliance if he has no worms in her to control, and after we've extracted them we could use a weapon that "Absolutely kills all entities soul-linked to this one." on the core worm, and I think Zouken would instantly die, though my wording on exactly what type of truth would kill all the worms linked to the core worm that are under Zouken's control might be a tad odd.

>>4374639
>>Accept that you're going to have to sleep with Sakura in order to save her when you're ready.

Though better than the sword and hoping we kill all the worms, some kind of spell that goes through her entire body and harms only the worms would be ideal. Don't want a surviving non heart worm to start tearing everything up inside her because we missed one and Zouken is petty.

>>4374915
>>4374921
Building on this idea, the extraction tool could effect Sakura's entire body at once, and remove all the worms.

>>4374915
Ah shit so we gotta be 100% able to extract them than just kill them. Fuck.

If we can make it so she isn't in pain during the whole 'magic her from dying and just rip out all the worms' bit then I'm game, but otherwise we should try to find another method of removing them, or at least ensure we do so with very precise movements so no unnecessary pain is caused.

>>4374924
Is there a tool used to remove a crest worm we can truth into being able to remove all crest worms? I'm super out of my depth in knowledge of the requirement and resources behind crest worm removal. If we could just pull the crest worms out of her all at once like we pulled Avalon out of Shirou, that'd be great.

>>4374927
I can't think of any such tool from the top of my head, but truth manifestation does exist to perform feats that would otherwise be impossible, so if we can imagine it, we should be able to create it, mana cost aside.
That makes me think we should learn how to store our mana outside our body, since our spells are so costly having ways to bolster our truth spells without draining ourselves sounds like a really good thing to do.
Digression aside, if we don't use such a tool to remove them, with our current skill level I don't think we can remove the crest worms since they'd require a more specialized skillset like removing magic crests or spiritual surgery, since we're dealing with something that binds to the body rather than something that can be dissolved into and removed from you.

> Run our plan by Touko before we do it. Also, see if we can make a blade that only strikes it’s true target - even through walls. Alternatively, just use a blade that only strikes magic to see how much we can fuck with the crest worm’s body when we slice it. At the very least, it should remove connections to other worms. It might fuck with Sakura’s circuits. We don’t know for sure if Zouken has used his crest worm yet. Have Avalon on hand in case it goes wrong and to heal Sakura after.
Knock her out or do it at night so that Zouken doesn’t see.

Could also try and ask Touko for help. She likely has experience with spiritual surgery, and might be willing to help if we tell her about the heart worm.

>>4374946
This reads like a horrible idea, and why would doing it at night or when Sakura is sleeping stop Zouken from seeing what's going on? We don't even know if he sleeps, and I doubt he does.
We already know we can manifest things to do exactly what we imagine they can, so the experiment in your post seems redundant to me.
A blade that slices through magic would tear up Sakura's Magic Circuits, and possibly her soul as well, but even if they're killed if she's healed afterward with the corpses still inside her body there's always the risk that the worms will be healed with her, especially since they've fused with her body.
Avalon may or may not be usable depending on whether Gray is available for the next few days, which is something we don't know at the moment so making any plans for it seems hasty.

>>4374962
Touko declared she wouldn't save Sakura, if we want to do it we're doing it without her.

>>4374972
>>4374949
Oops, linked to the wrong post.

Kill Zouken, THEN sleep with Sakura

>>4375030
Stay away Taiga, we're trying to kill a 500 year old cluster of worms here.

>>4374949
+1 I want a second opinion before we go through with a plan.

>>4374639
cancel my vote in >>4374853 then

>>4375030
Gao.

>>4375030
don't worry, you'll get laid one day Taiga!

Is sex winning?

>>4374639
>Kill Zouken. Save Sakura. (Write-in plan only.)
Create an extraction tool that will always extract its target without fail, and only effect the worms and not Sakura, maybe some kind of syringe, and remove the worms from Sakura's body starting with the heart worm.
Create a weapon that will kill all the worms at once using the core worm as the initial target, and stab Zouken's core with it.

Not confident this will get support, but it's my best idea for now.

>>4375063
Killing Zouken is, but it's decently split up.

>>4375030
we're gonna die aren't we?

>>4374972
This fic never mentioned that this was a thing that was possible with truth magic - it probably is, but we haven’t trained for it. Truth seems to separate possible from impossible. It can certainly make a blade that cuts only magic, but we haven’t made one that only cuts a specific target.

As for doing it at night - it doesn’t matter if Zouken stays awake. What matters is that Sakura is unconscious and that therefore her nervous system is nonfunctional. If she can’t see us, Zouken can’t either is the logic. We can’t make her unconscious during the day, or Zouken will see something is suspicious and might wake her up. If she’s unconscious at night, it’s expected and gives us an opportunity to act until we start killing the worms

>>4375063
We can sex after we kill Zouken. Celebratory sex.

>>4375077
Personally I don't see a distinction between only cutting magic and only cutting a specific target, if one is possible the other should be too, when using Truth of course.

Given that Zouken's worm is himself, he should retain all awareness of the surroundings even if Sakura is incapacitated, it would be a massive oversight on his observational capability otherwise.
Not sure where the idea that he only sees things through Sakura's eyes only came from, was it mentioned anywhere in the VN? I don't remember that.

Because Truth separates possible from impossible. While it can cut “impossible” things like magic, it might not be able to cut possible things without cutting other possible things. Here, I’m interpreting “possible” as physical / mundane.

>>4375095
But we determine what's possible and impossible, so if we tune it so it will only effect a certain thing it will only effect that specific thing.
As long as you can rationalize it properly you should be able to come up with a solution that will function for the purpose you intend it to.

>>4375093
I mean, this is under the assumption that all it does is monitors the state of it’s host. Zouken’s consciousness always seems to be elsewhere. It could probably tell if Sakura was feeling nervous or something by monitoring her vitals, and alert Zouken so that he can check on her, but having Shinji, who is expected, go up to her as if nothing is wrong while she’s sleeping and unaware of him and stab her in the heart without her realizing he’s about to has a much better chance of Zouken not paying enough attention to notice until the heart worm is dead. Mainly, it seems the worms don’t have eyes: the only way they could see is through touch and smell, or transforming themselves / using the senses of another person.

>>4375099
Do we? Don’t think it’s ever been specifically stated whether this is how our powers work.At the very least, have to confirm with QM if it is.

>>4375101
In HF Sakura pulls out the heart worm and has a dialogue with Zouken, I'm pretty sure he can see plenty while in there.
It's also due to the worms in Sakura that Zouken was aware of her feelings towards Shirou, which he used to manipulate her.

>>4375103
>Truth abhors impossibility and as such constructs created of it can reject that which shouldn't be possible.
>Truth manipulation allows Shinji to take an already existing concept or 'truth' of an object and manipulate it as he wishes.
Pretty sure that means if we have enough mana and a vivid imagination that we can create things that perform feats that would otherwise seem impossible.

Yes, and again “that which shouldn’t be possible” is way too vague. It’s like it’s specifically created so that the QM can control what we actually do with it.

>>4375123
How is that vague?
"That which shouldn't be possible" is incredibly simple.
If the concept that the construct comes into contact with isn't something that can co-exist, like a sword that can cut through anything meeting with a shield that is unbreakable, the one made out of truth would win the clash because it's truth.

Also, from your example of Sakura pulling out the worm, all we know is that they can hear. Sakura pulled the worm out, so they might not even be able to hear anything outside of her. This makes sense, since worms can feel vibrations. The closest thing worms have to eyes though are light receptors. While these can probably combined from several worms into eyes, I’m guessing that they can’t see out when they’re in an enclosed space, such as a heart - only hear. Besides, not being able to see what their host doesn’t isn’t much of a weakness - that’s what bounded fields are for, to alert the creators. Fortunately, we already have access to the bounded fields of the house.

>>4375125
How is that “that which shouldn’t be possible”? It seems like you’re coming up with your definition of the term, which wasn’t explained very clearly either here or in canon.

>>4374639
Accept your fate

>>4375134
Touko explained it that way though?
A sword made out of truth that can cut things that are impossible to cut would cut a shield that is unbreakable.
Likewise a shield made out of truth that can withstand blows from anything unscathed will survive any attack.

>>4374639
>>4375065
Supporting this.

>>4375134
>>4375138
The fact that we don't know for sure what a truth construction can or can not do at this point after having done all this research and having the means to create one is weird.
Is all the knowledge we know about truth hypothetical? Has Shinji never once tried actually using his first or second unique magecraft on anything to test out its limitations? That seems like a huge oversight if not.

>>4375030
Hey, explain what you meant by this!

Yes, but who decides what is possible and what isn’t? Sure, noble phantasms and magic are fairly clear cut examples, but what about magic circuits? Can we cut impossible worms without also cutting impossible magic circuits?

Shinji knows, but QM never went into detail as to the extent we can use it for.

>>4375156
Nasu does?
Shinji decides what's possible by using his magic, but other than that the universe should run on the previous physics that have already been established.

If we create a sword that can only cut through magic it won't be able to cut through anything else, likewise for a knife that can only cut through Zouken, it wouldn't be able to reach him through Sakura.

And so I suggest removing the worms instead of trying to kill him while they're inside her.

lookin like we're gonna kill Zouken, I wanna ask the good anons though, do you wanna seal the deal with Sakura if we do kill Zouken?

>>4374639
Kill Zouken

Supporting any plan.

>>4375165
Liberation celebration sex sounds fine to me.

>>4374639
We need that sex

>>4374639
>>Kill Zouken. Save Sakura. (Write-in plan only.)
any already proposed plan

>>4375065
I want to append my vote by removing the part about the tool only effecting the worms, just it extracting without fail is enough.
Also to heal her whenever we take out one of the worms.

>>4375165
Only reason to touch Sakura is if it's saving her life. If we kill Zouken, we should get her used to living without us.

>>4375189
how do we do that though, do we just make her live with Shirou or Rin and only visit a few times a month?

>>4375165
Sakura is for head pats and cuddling.
Illya is for head pats, cuddling and degenerate sex

>>4375196
I'm with you on the first 2 things for Illya, I however, cannot support the last one, sorry anon

>>4375192
It doesn't have to be that extreme. Just never take our relationship beyond brother and sister and gradually get more distant over time. We've already made sure she knows how to socialize with other people; it's just that right now she doesn't want to. If Zouken is taken out of her life now, I think she'll gradually adjust to us not being the center of her life over the next several years.
>>4375196
My man!

>>4375196
>degenerate
I think you mean based anon.

On the topic of what you can and cannot use Truth to accomplish...
I'll say if there's anything in a proposed plan that Shinji thinks wouldn't be possible with his current knowledge of his magecraft.

>>4375199
>We've already made sure she knows how to socialize with other people
We actually never did that.

>>4375202
We had her hang out with Shirou in one or two of the timeskips and it seemed like she could act normal. They weren't that into each other, but I think we'd have noticed if she totally shut him out and refused to speak to anyone but us. That's what I remember reading anyway. Am I wrong?

>>4375165
Sounds good to me.

>>4375204
>We had her hang out with Shirou in one or two of the timeskips and it seemed like she could act normal.
Yeah, but we never taught her to socialize, or seen her socialize on her own with anyone. She talks to Shirou because we talk to Shirou and while she isn't a complete shut-in she won't speak and interact with people without our prompting.
The only thing Shinji has done is tried to make her get along with Shirou as a friend, but he hasn't gone out of his way to teach her to be more social or confident, something I really REALLY think we need to do.

>>4375211
Well if we do kill Zouken then we make her live with Rin (making Rin owe us a favor and fixing their relationship) as well as making her visit Shirou so he wakes up cause clocks are degenerate while we visit her every once in a while cause we're 16 now, FSN and Tsukihime are happening in 2 years and we need to spend all our time prepping now. Ween her off of being codependent on us and instead rely on her big sister and our best bro.

>>4375215
>Ween her off of being codependent on us and instead rely on her big sister and our best bro.
Why would we want Sakura to be dependent on anyone? Whether it be Shinji, Shirou, or Rin, why not try and make her a happy independent person while we can?
I don't know what's so hard to get about that. We have turbo charisma, just teach the poor girl to be better at socializing.
How fucking callous can you be to simply dump her on someone else without giving her the tools to be happy on her own?

>>4375235
Because she's codependent on us, making her friends with Shirou and Rin will show her that there's more to the world than just us. She's not gonna be able to hangout and have a good social life if she's only gonna focus on us even if we try to make her more extroverted, doubly so when she views us as her savior

You guys realize that psychological dependencies aren't something you can just wave a wand and fix, right? I know simple solutions to complex problems sound good, but they just don't work.

Keeping her forcibly away generally leads to depression, self destructive behavior, worsening of her dependency and has a possibility of suicide. If you want to fix it then you need to invest a lot of time in her, talking about her problems and supporting her in becoming more independent.

>>4375244
anon we're about to face off against vampires and historical figures and a big dog, Sakura is great and all and we should help her with her mental health but time is of the essence and we have a massive workload

>>4375251
Shinji's goal is to make those he cares about happy, sidelining Sakura is incredibly opposed to that goal.

>>4375236
And you think simply dumping her off with Rin is the solution? That she won't continue to view us as her savior and be emotionally dependent on us if we just slowly abandon her?
The only way to help her is to take responsibility and actually help her with her problems! Simply pawning her of with others, no matter who those others are, will help.
Shinji with his charisma and knowledge of psychology is the only person equipped to help her besides a magic therapist.
We should have BEEN doing this since she was young, but instead we decided to do shit like start a futile relationship with Rin and send Sakura to Shirou's house to try and get her attached to him, and it's infuriating.

>>4375254
I think turning into Altrouge's pet is also opposed to the goal of making Sakura happy too

>>4375251
This. We can't make anyone happy as a corpse.

>>4375251
Then don't try to sell the idea as helping Sakura, because it won't.

>>4375244
>>4375257
Basically these.
We can't expect to simply send Sakura off with others and fix her problems. We need to take the time to actually fix these things, and we have plenty of time to do it.

>>4375257
Sakura developing meaningful connections with people besides Shinji or Shirou makes them very easy targets to erode Sakura's will to resist Zouken.
I have no clue why people tried to go for developing a relationship with Rin instead of Sakura though, that makes so little sense to me.

>>4375258
>>4375260
You make it sound like doing both is impossible.

>>4375269
I never said we should forget the girl exists; I just don't think she should be a top priority or a romantic target. What we do about her, so long as we don't start making her our main focus, I don't really care.
Moving her to Shirou or Rin's house does seem like asking for trouble though.