"The next step is to actually convince him to go along with the plan." It might've been a good idea to actually get into contact with Kiritsugu about doing all this before you went through all the effort of assembling the means to save the man. You still have some issues with saving him, personally. But it's for a good cause. Illya spent ten years of her life thinking that Kiritsugu abandoned her. A still living Kiritsugu would go a long way towards stopping her from being as unhinged towards Shirou in the early stages of the Fifth War. Of course, she'll instead be acting that way towards Kiritsugu.

There's another problem though, if Illya is rescued by Kiritsugu somehow after he is healed, then obviously she won't end up competing as a Master, and the Einzbern will likely hastily create an additional Lesser Grail to act as their Master for the Fifth War. The last thing you need is another Lesser Grail in the war, two is already two too many.

El-Melloi II looks at you in complete disbelief. "Are you saying that we went through all that trouble to save that girl... and the man you want to save using this Noble Phantasm hasn't even agreed to anything yet? What if he refuses your offer?" Waver is pretty clearly confused by your nonchalance in having gone on the trip without confirming anything.

"Well, that's his prerogative. I can only offer him the chance to save himself, if he doesn't want to take it, then I'm not going to force the matter." What can you say? It seemed like a good idea at the time and you don't think Kiritsugu would've approved on a plan that involved kidnapping a random girl you shouldn't have any knowledge of from her home. You especially shouldn't have any knowledge that said girl was meant to effectively be used as a ritual sacrifice to summon the spirit of his Servant in the last grail war into the world and give her a physical form.

"Fair enough. But wouldn't it have been wiser to have confirmed he wants saving before organizing everything else?" You've managed to develop quite an odd friendship with Waver over the years, with you being one of the few magi he knows that has any enjoyment of videogames. He's also managed to get much much better at Street Fighter and other arcade games over the years, and is now almost your match when it comes to playing games. Almost.

"Maybe, but it wouldn't have been anywhere near as interesting, would it? Besides, you would've probably gotten roped into saving that girl anyway." You smile at Waver with a knowing look on your face, though he just looks kind of confused in response.

"How do you figure?" Waver looks at you with a somewhat tired expression, obviously not amused by your occasional bouts of eccentricity.

You shrug. "Call it a hunch." Of course, you aren't about to reveal how things would've ended up going had you not decided to hasten things along. Extricating Gray from that village of hers actually ended up being difficult, but luckily you had Monica with you to help. You had hoped that she and Waver would befriend each other during the trip, but the two hardly spoke with each other. Monica was always more focused on talking with you and Waver basically spent the entire mission with a pensive look on his face. "Now, I believe it's about time I paid Kiritsugu Emiya a visit and told him of my plan. I've met the man a few times in passing, of course, but he never seemed all too bothered by the first son of a magus family hanging around with his own son. Then again, it's not like the Matou would've developed a grudge on him of all people after the war, so maybe he just didn't think of me as an issue." You give Waver a quick explanation of how you can personally get into contact with Kiritsugu. "Of course, I only know of him as the Magus Killer through his reputation. Yet his survival is crucial to a plan I'm working on." It really isn't, honestly, at the end of the day, Kiritsugu's survival till the Fifth War is a variable that messes up the future you are aware of totally, and you aren't sure whether the change will be a positive or a negative one.

Waver doesn't really have any response to you after that one. It's pretty clear that you baffle the would-be Sherlock. If Heartless is his Moriarty, and Gray is his Watson, then it would really only be apt to compare yourself to Mycroft. Though ham-fisted Arthur Conan Doyle references and themes aside, you probably ought to get a move on and actually go see Kiritsugu with your proposition.

The walk from the apartment Waver had rented to the Emiya residence is fairly long, apparently after feeling bad about just hypnotizing the Mackenzie Family whenever he needed a place to stay in Fuyuki, Waver decided to actually get himself a home away from home within the city. Eventually though, you reach the large home. Really, between you, Shirou, Rin and the Einzbern, it feels like there are no genuinely important people in this entire damn city with a small house. Hell, Luvia doesn't even live in Fuyuki and the Edelfelt own a giant mansion! God only knows how big Taiga's family home is, she's a damn Yakuza princess!

You make your presence known and knock on the front door. Waiting for a moment until Kiritsugu himself opens the door. The man... well he doesn't look healthy. He's going to die in a week, after all. He's wearing a blue kimono and looking at you with a dull expression. "Oh, Matou-kun. Shirou is out right now, but if you want to wait inside for him, you're more than welcome to."

"Thank you, Emiya-san, but that's not the reason I came here. I actually wanted to talk to you about something." The dull expression on Kiritsugu's face grows weary, and you can detect a hint of guilt in his frown. "About something that happened five years ago." His frown widens as you confirm his fears.

"Then in that case, you should really come inside, Matou-kun." The man invites you into the house and leads you into the living room before taking a seat and staring you straight in the eye. "If this is about your father, I am sorry, truly. I was... a different man back then."

"My father? No. He isn't the reason I'm here." Byakuya is a pitiful man who never amounted to anything. The fact that he never grew a spine and fled Zouken is enough for you to condemn him. At least Kariya tried to escape the family, Byakuya meanwhile just stuck around to be Zouken's puppet for whatever reason. You don't know why your father never just fled the country and the terrible existence he ended up having to live through. You do however wish to avenge the death of the mother you never got to know, executed thanks to her failure to give birth to a child with functioning magic circuits. It's enough to make you grind your teeth in anger, if you weren't in the middle of conversation. "No, the reason I'm here is I think... I might know a way to heal you of your... condition."

Kiritsugu's eyebrows furrow as you say that. "What are you getting at, Matou-kun? My illness is terminal, the doctors can't even figure out what it is!" Is he really going to play dumb with you? Fine. If he wants to pretend to be ignorant, you have no choice but to bring up something that is probably going to hurt the man.

"Five years ago. Five years ago you ordered your servant, Saber, to destroy the Holy Grail. You did this because the grail was corrupted, but you were cursed. It's that curse that is killing you." Kiritsugu flinches as you remind him of the end of the Fourth War. The most painful moment in the life of a man who's existence was basically going from one painful moment to the next.

The man remains silent, his expression wavering as he recalls the end of the war, so you continue. "Admittedly, this plan might not work, but isn't it worth a shot?" Kiritsugu still remains silent, it's clear that you're going to need to say something more to properly convince the man.

>Remind Kiritsugu that he still needs to save his daughter.
>Remind Kiritsugu that he needs to atone for his past crimes.
>Just straight up tell Kiritsugu that the war is going to start in just five years.
>Tell Kiritsugu about everything. Gilgamesh, the early war, Kirei's survival and Illya being groomed to want to kill Shirou after he dies.
>Write-in...

>>4355181
>>Tell Kiritsugu about everything. Gilgamesh, the early war, Kirei's survival and Illya being groomed to want to kill Shirou after he dies.
>>Write-in...
Shirou and Illya are bound to get drawn into the grail war when it happens. Illya due to being the lesser grail and Shirou due to a reason we both know. I can watch Shirou's back, but to rescue Illya I need your help. We can watch for when Acht throws her into the wildness, but don't let your kids suffer this unprepared.

>>4355181
>Remind Kiritsugu that he needs to atone for his past crimes.

>>4355181
>>4355190
Support. He's dead in a week if he refuses, we should lay it all on the table, he should know exactly what he's refusing if he wants to die so bad.

>>4355181
>Remind Kiritsugu that he needs to atone for his past crimes.

>>4355181
>Tell Kiritsugu about everything. Gilgamesh, the early war, Kirei's survival and Illya being groomed to want to kill Shirou after he dies.
If he refuses he'll be dead a week, who's he going to tell?

>>4355181
>>4355190
Supporting

>>4355181
Backing >>4355190
Time to pull out the "isekai" card?

>>4355218
I don't know if we need to pull the isekai card. If he asks, we can just tell him we're being trained by touko and she's taught us it's good to be spying on literally everyone or some shit.

>>4355222
Idk, depending on what we say, its way too specific for us to be just a really good spy, even with what we admitted about Saber and her destroying the grail is too specific

>>4355190
+1

>>4355222
Nice trips. I hope we pull the full truth out for somebody eventually though. Maybe EMIYA? Maybe Sasaki Kojirou? Maybe Touko? Maybe Waver? Maybe whoever our Servant ends up?

>>4355230
>>4355190
I forgot to link it to the post, good job me

>>4355181
>>4355190
+1

I still can't believe we're doing this. Of all the changes we could make to the timeline, saving Emiya Kiritsugu was the one thing that going into this quest I was certain nobody who read FSN would want to do. Just goes to show what different experiences people take away from novels I guess.

>>4355181
On board with >>4355190 as it's direct and to the point. Not really sure how you can handwave knowing Shirou has Avalon tho.

>>4355229
I mean, he'll die in a week if he refuses. If he really wants to ask questions, we can tell him after the grail war.

>>4355231
We could probably have heart to hearts with Sasaki. Honestly, I'm surprised we haven't used the excuse of being a Cybele yet.

>>4355236
Remember anon, I do have plans for Kiritsugu. Plans I would wager you might just like.

>>4355236
Are you the same guy who has a massive hate boner for Kerry and started bitching when almost everyone was all in for saving Kerry?

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>>4355254

So Kerry is in his broken old man phase now and that means that penance is pretty much his only reason to live. He took in Shirou to atone for the fire iirc and it's his main motivator. Saying he needs to live to atone's the only option that'll actually get him to survive. Dropping all the war shit on him now is just another new burden for a guy who can't carry anymore weight. Think he'll just give up if we do that.

>>4355190
+1

>>4355269
I don't know man, I'm pretty sure his biggest motivator is his kids. He didn't want Shirou to become a magus so he wouldn't get drawn into the war and figured Illya would be safe because the next war wouldn't be for at least another 50 years. He even set up explosives to take out the greater grail after a few decades, if I remember right.
Him finding out it's happening soon and his kids are sure to be drawn into it should light a fire under his ass.

>>4355286
I don't know. I'm seeing a "You seem to have it all figured out, I leave my kids to you" scene if we do that. It'll be like the Shirou dream thing. Just don't think he can handle it.

>>4355291
I'm willing to accept that if he does. This just feels like a moment where we need to put chips on the table and go all in.

>>4355190
+1
"You have a chance, Now what will you do with it? Cause with or without you,I'm gonna make sure that Shirou & Illya will survive the upcoming Holy war."

>>4355190
Support! Things are getting interesting.

>>4355181
>>Tell Kiritsugu about everything. Gilgamesh, the early war, Kirei's survival and Illya being groomed to want to kill Shirou after he dies.
>>4355254
please don't

>>4355181
>>Tell Kiritsugu about everything. Gilgamesh, the early war, Kirei's survival and Illya being groomed to want to kill Shirou after he dies.

>>4355181
My write in is as follows, tell him that his early fate has doomed Shirou into taking on a bastardized version of his ideals. If he dies now, his atonement is a failure, his son is doomed to walk a similar path. His daughter is simply doomed.

>>4355366
>please don't
Oh if only I could reveal what I have planned...
Ah well, you'll face the results of any action you take in time, be they positive or negative. Of that I am sure.

Allow me to just say this.
Prepare for... unforeseen consequences.

Bros I thought Yandere Sakura was gonna be our biggest fuck up, apparently not

Oh fuck, I've been sleep all day. Looks like we're going through with the Kerry thing...we aren't revealing our Isakai so early right? Just telling him what we know without the why?

>>4355483
oh no half-life crossover

>>4355491
Personally I look forward to the free for all between Yandere Sakura, Primate Murder, and Magus Killer 2 Time Alter Boogaloo

>>4355181
>Tell Kiritsugu about everything. Gilgamesh, the early war, Kirei's survival and Illya being groomed to want to kill Shirou after he dies.

>>4355483
Anyone have any guess what these will be?
I think it will have to do with somebody finally noticing that our plans are incredibly detailed with knowledge that should be impossible to know.
Maybe Kiri will stalk us trying to figure us out.

Dead thread

>>4355778
Shirou will notice, realize it's not about swords or justice and then stop caring.

Oh man, going all in and then some huh?
Boy oh boy.
Well I hope you know what you're doing.

>>4355891
Huh?

>>4355987
>Well I hope you know what you're doing.
You know very well that we don't

This is it. The moment you finally reveal just how much you know about what happened and what is effectively guaranteed to happen. "Emiya-san. The Fifth Grail War will start just five years from now." The man freezes up. "But more than that, Kirei Kotomine survived too... as did Archer."

Kiritsugu looks completely shell-shocked by your revelation "W-what?" The man barely manages to squeak out in a pained voice. You feel kind of bad for dropping all of this on Kiritsugu, the man has suffered too much in his life already, granted, a lot of that suffering was that which he brought on top of himself.

"That's... not all, Emiya-san. I'll spare you some of the details, but know that your son and your daughter will inevitably meet each other as enemies in five years. Illyasviel is being in no uncertain terms, taught to hate both you and your son for what the Einzbern perceive as your betrayal."

"W-wh... How do you know all of this?" Kiritsugu tries to regain a semblance of composure as he desperately grasps for a chance that what you are telling him is false.

"Visions, I've seen... visions of both the past and the future, Emiya-san. Visions where I saw the complete incineration of mankind only two decades from now. Visions of an Earth thousands of years in the future, of a war being waged on a dead planet between those who can no longer be called humans and the Ultimate Ones of other celestial bodies. I have even seen a past where humanity was almost wiped out in its most early stages, the Mother Goddess of all life on the planet waging war on Ancient Babylon." You reveal to Kiritsugu just some of what you know of what might occur in the future. It's clearly a lot for the man to take in, and he slumps backwards.

"Then... everything is... going to happen again?" There's true despair in Kiritsugu's voice. The man is obviously suffering more now than he has in the last five years, the knowledge that everything he has done is going to amount to nothing is almost enough to break Kiritsugu for a second time.

"I'm afraid so. But. I have a plan. We can save Illyasviel from the Einzbern, Emiya-san. In the months before the Fifth War, the Einzbern will throw her into the wilderness to fend for herself. In that moment, she is unguarded." You reveal some more of your knowledge to the man. "And... as much as I would like to prevent the war altogether, we... won't be able to stop Archer without the war actually happening. You ought to know how powerful he is." Even if Kiritsugu is unaware of the true strength of the King of Heroes, you are more than aware of it.

Kiritsugu sits back and looks up at the ceiling. "Then... your plan, why do you want to heal me? I... I don't have it in me to go through another grail war, I've caused so much suffering..." The man wallows in his own self-pity.

"I need your help. Without that, then I don't think I'll be able to accomplish my goals." Kiritsugu staying alive opens up a few paths that you couldn't have taken before. Illya will be much easier to deal with if her father is still alive, and convincing her to betray the Einzbern might even be possible while she still have the power of Berserker on her side if you have Kiritsugu reveal the truth to the girl.

The older man laughs bitterly at your non-committal response. "Your... goals?" Kiritsugu is clearly on the verge of having a mental breakdown.

"Those futures, those miserable futures. I don't want to let them come to pass, Emiya-san. So I'm going to do everything in my power to ensure that they don't. One of the things I will need to do to ensure that those awful futures are averted is to save Illyasviel from the clutches of the Einzbern." Not quite true, but still, you can hardly tell Kiritsugu that you just want to save Illya because you feel like she deserves saving. Best to disguise your true intentions as some grand plan to prevent the extinction of humanity or something. Though when you think about it, you do still need to ensure that the events of Grand Order are impossible to actually come to pass. You'll just have to kill Marisbury and Lev at a later date. Their actions in another timeline basically doomed the world, and they likely still share those ambitions with their parallel selves. Ensuring they don't get the chance to act upon them is for the best of everyone, that at least you are sure of.

"And... your plan involved waiting until only a few months before the war until we act and save her? Fine. You mentioned you had a method to heal my body's degradation. How exactly do you plan on doing that?"

"Avalon."

He frowns again as you reveal something that you shouldn't know about at all. "That sheathe is useless without King Arthur." Kiritsugu reminds you of something you are already quite aware of.

"You're right about that, which is why I spent a few weeks tracking the girl who would be her spirit's host in this era. The girl who wields the spear of King Arthur. With your permission, I will have the girl, Gray is her name, channel her magical energy into the sheathe of Excalibur and hopefully have it activate that nigh unlimited healing capacity it is blessed with. If she is recognized as the wielder of Rhongomyniad, then Avalon will also likely be considered something that belongs to her."

Kiritsugu remains silent for an awfully long time as he processes all that he has been told, before he finally speaks once again. "Fine, I'll accept this offer and I'll save my daughter. But when exactly do you want to attempt this?"

>"Right now." Go fetch Shirou and extract Avalon immediately.
>"A week." Heal Kiritsugu on the night he is supposed to die.
>Write-in...

>>4356017
>"Right now." Go fetch Shirou and extract Avalon immediately.

>>4356017
>>"Right now." Go fetch Shirou and extract Avalon immediately.

>>4356017
>>"A week." Heal Kiritsugu on the night he is supposed to die.
Gives us time to prepare.

>>4356017
>>"Right now." Go fetch Shirou and extract Avalon immediately.

>>4356017
>"A week." Heal Kiritsugu on the night he is supposed to die.

>>4356017
>>"A week." Heal Kiritsugu on the night he is supposed to die.
Hope we're not messing things up too much by pulling Avalon out of Shirou. Will we be able to stick it back in before the War starts? I forget if Avalon in Shirou was the reason why he was able to summon Saber in the first place or not.

>>4356029
Hopefully we can put it back when we're done with it.

>>4356020
To prepare what? All we need to do is get Touko to remove the sheath from Shirou.

>>4356029
We need to put it back when we are done or Shirou won't survive getting smashed by Berserker even if he summons Saber

>>4356017
>A week
I can't believe we are ruining the plot of F/SN for the sake of this jackass.

>>4356040
>>4356041
Potential death flags and bad ends involving Berserker could be completely avoided with Kiritsugu alive. Even if he is a wild card, he has no reason so far to go against anything we're doing.

>>4356018
Support

>>4356057
If Kerry lives Shirou won't want to become a Seigi no Mikata.
You utter fools.

>>4356085
Completely embracing that dream is a path to destruction.
Shirou can become happy being a world-class restaurant chef.

>>4356086
>Shirou can be happy
You underestimate the extent of his mental distortion.

>>4356017
>"Right now." Go fetch Shirou and extract Avalon immediately.

>>4356017
>"A week." Heal Kiritsugu on the night he is supposed to die.

>>4356041
Zero secondaries, man.

Inb4 we fail and he just dies.

>>4356147
hope.
>>4356017
>>"A week." Heal Kiritsugu on the night he is supposed to die.

>>4356147
It would certainly be nice.

>>4356017
>"A week." Heal Kiritsugu on the night he is supposed to die.

>>4356157
I think WhatIs has something special planned for Kerry lol.

>>4356017
>"Right now." Go fetch Shirou and extract Avalon immediately.

I think we fucked up guys.
I don't think we should've totally sperged and revealed everything.

>Right now
>>4356018
>>4356019
>>4356023
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>>4356183

>A week
>>4356020
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>>4356041
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>>4356160

7-6 in favor of doing it in a week.
Not calling vote yet though.

>>4355180
>He's going to die in a week, after all.
Do we really want to wait a week with saving him?
Seems like cutting it really close.

>>4356017
>>"Right now." Go fetch Shirou and extract Avalon immediately.

>>4356201
>"Right now." Go fetch Shirou and extract Avalon immediately.

>>4356201
Wait a week

>>4356017
>"A week." Heal Kiritsugu on the night he is supposed to die.
Put Avalon back when done, or Shirou is dead

>>4356017
>"Right now." Go fetch Shirou and extract Avalon immediately.

>>4356017
>"A week." Heal Kiritsugu on the night he is supposed to die.

>>4356040
Fuck what if we can’t that might be what qm was talking about fuck fuck fuck

>>4356041
It’s an isekai quest where we’re derailing everything fuck off if you want the plot of fate stay night go reread Fate stay night. This is our story

>>4356201
>"Right now." Go fetch Shirou and extract Avalon immediately.

>>4356017
>>"Right now." Go fetch Shirou and extract Avalon immediately.

>>4356255
>This is our story
We Final Fantasy 10 now?

>>4356278
mgs5 the real shinji will show up at the end

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>>4356286
He is waiting for us.

>>4356017
>"Right now." Go fetch Shirou and extract Avalon immediately.
Avalon alone probably wouldn't be enough if done on the night of his demise.

>>4356017
Vote change from >>4356235 to
>"Right now." Go fetch Shirou and extract Avalon immediately.

>Right now
>>4356018
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>A week
>>4356020
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>>4356238

I think I counted correctly, and it seems that Right Now has taken quite the considerable lead.

>>4356332
Make his death painful please

>>4356339
Why? His life is painful enough.

>>4356341
Why not?

>>4356339
What the fuck is your problem

>>4356017
>>"Right now." Go fetch Shirou and extract Avalon immediately.

>>4356017
>You'll just have to kill Marisbury and Lev at a later date
Isn't Lev a demon pillar and kills himself on his own in most timelines? Also, we don't even know if Moneybills will attempt to do anything with Chaldea now that the Grail is out of the quest and if Solomon isn't around

>>4356359
Better to be safe than sorry desu

>>4356359
You can never really be too safe when it comes to people who are instrumental in destroying the planet.
Really though? Just making sure the two of them kill themselves is enough.

Maybe not "make sure to kill" and instead "Make sure they die".
Probably would've made more sense.

>>4356332
>a week

>>4356349
Shut up Kerry Fag

>>4356374
shut the fuck up kerry hater

kerry's survival and his knowledge of the FSN events would definitely be a major shift from the original plot, excited to see where this is going

>>4356017
>"Right now." Go fetch Shirou and extract Avalon immediately.

"We'll do it right now. There's no time to waste, Emiya-san. You don't... have very long left. I don't want to cut things too close. I don't even know if this method will actually restore you, either." By all rights, it should. If Rhongomyniad considers Gray to be it's true wielder than the same must be true of Avalon and likely also Excalibur, right? Well, you hope so, at least. Otherwise this entire endeavor would've been a complete and total waste of your time. Kiritsugu is undeniably a useful ally to have around if he's actually active, you can only hope that this doesn't end up turning the Fifth War into a completely jumbled mess."

"Well, we'll have to wait for Shirou to return before going through with this Avalon procedure. He still has the sheathe in him after all these years, after all." Yeah, you... probably shouldn't leave Noble Phantasms just inside people, Kiritsugu. They might just have a dramatic effect on their entire existence. Well, it worked out for Shirou in the end, especially considering how quickly he would've died had he not had that damn thing keeping him alive for the entire war. Or that it allowed him to summon Arturia... Well, actually, that only really works out for him in two routes. Well, you aren't going to allow Saber to come under the influence of an evil like Angra Mainyu no matter the cost, so he won't have to worry about that happening.

It's funny, you haven't met her yet, but you want Saber to be happy just as much as you want Shirou to achieve his own happiness. Thankfully, together, the two of them will be able to achieve that happiness, you hope. The two of them will likely act out the Fate route if they aren't seperated from one another... and if Shirou gets enough affection points. Of course, speaking of Arturia, now would probably be a good time to call Waver and have her come to the Emiya Residence with Gray. Waver still isn't fantastic when it comes to answering his phone, but he's expecting a call from you. So it isn't long until he actually answers his phone. For Waver's sake you answer the phone in English "Good news, Waver! He accepted my offer."

"Really? Wasn't he suspicious?" Waver's serious voice comes through from the other end of the phone. "Didn't he want to know if there was a catch or anything?" He's clearly kind of confused by how chipper you are. Was he expecting Kiritsugu to deny your offer?

"What do you mean, catch? I haven't forced him into doing anything for healing." You don't really know what to say to Waver, you don't really want to force Kiritsugu into anything. Just keeping him alive is enough for now. It's what you can accomplish by working together with the old Magus Killer through his own choice that is appealing to you.

"Then... why did you think he would deny your request?" Waver has once again been baffled by your logic. Annoyingly, it's one that you can't really answer without delving deeply into the psyche of the man who is sitting patiently a few foot away from you.

You stare at the phone for a moment as you think of a response to Waver. After a good minute of silence, your response is a curt one. "Just bring Gray to the Emiya Residence." You hang up.

Kiritsugu remains quiet and contemplative as you pace around the room, waiting for Shirou to arrive. Apparently he had gone off with Taiga to fetch some groceries some time ago and still hasn't returned yet. Before long though, there's a knock on the door, and Kiritsugu walks off to open the door once again. You follow him as he does.

The door to the Emiya house slides open, and just outside stands Waver, who is completely unrecognizable as the Master of Rider in the Fourth War, and a familiar face indeed. Kiritsugu freezes in place as he stares at Gray, and involuntarily takes a step backwards. You can tell that he obviously wasn't expecting something like this when you mentioned being able to make use of Avalon, to be met with the doppelgänger of the servant who he betrayed. His hands are shaking and you have no choice but to get involved. "Emiya-san. This is Lord El-Melloi II and his... uh... Assistant, Gray."

"Assistant?" the tall man standing at the door echoes your words. Clearly surprised by you suddenly deciding to elect Gray as his personal assistant. Especially because Gray is only a girl your age. Gray for her part remains completely silent. She's completely useless when it comes to socializing, and hardly knows what to do when somebody talks to her, or even about her.

"What? You wanted to dump her back in that village? I mean, between Monica, you and me, you have the best resources to make sure that the girl remains safe from the schemes of that village." You smile at Waver with an uncertain expression, and for a moment you think you can hear his teeth grinding together.

"Then... yes I am indeed Lord El-Melloi II and this is Gray, my... assistant." Fortunately though you know that deep down, Waver is a good person. In fact, you could probably call Waver a great person. His good heart wins out once again. Waver is a dreadful magus in that regard, honestly. But that's one of the reasons you've managed to get along with him thanks to him not holding the same values that a magus traditionally would. "I... understand that you got into something of a conflict with the last Lord El-Melloi, but I'm technically not acting in an official capacity by being here, so I'm not going to say anything if you don't." Kiritsugu doesn't even say anything in response to Waver, remaining completely focused on the young girl who is a near mirrored image of his Servant during the Fourth War. Or at least she would be if she were a little older and had the correct color scheme. Kiritsugu has managed to compose himself now though, even if he is still staring at Gray and making her feel more than a little awkward.

The group all awkwardly shuffles into the living room and stare at each other uncomfortably. There are no words that can be used to lighten up this excessively dreary atmosphere that has settled in the room, and you find yourself simply hoping that Shirou isn't too long in returning to the house until finally your prayers are answered as the door to the house is opened and two people walk inside. You get a very odd feeling that something bad is about to happen, but thankfully, it feels like something bad is about to happen to somebody who isn't you.

Taiga and Shirou stand in the doorway to the living room, and something very odd seems to be happening. She's glaring at Waver with intense scrutiny, and the tall man is shrinking from her gaze. After a moment of this, Taiga opens her mouth "It's you!" She starts walking towards Waver, who instinctively gets up and starts looking for an escape route. Seems he knows her somehow.

"I just remembered I uh, left something in my apartment." In an incredible display of agility that you wouldn't attribute to the man, Waver manages to slip past the younger girl. Oh right! Taiga met Waver before, didn't she? Well he can enjoy dealing with that. Seeing as she somehow still recognizes him. Taiga really is scary sometimes. She proves that by pursuing her chosen prey like a merciless tiger stalking an animal through the jungle, for a moment you feel bad for Waver at suddenly having become the object of Taiga's interest. But only for a moment. You'll have to have words with him if he decides to hypnotize her to escape.

Shirou however is just kind of confused, having not moved an inch since Taiga chased Waver out of the house. There's no way that Waver is actually going to beat Taiga in a match of athletics though, so you look forward to seeing how trying to run from the girl goes. You kind of doubt that he'd be foolish enough to try magecraft on an acquaintance of the Magus Killer too, of course, Kiritsugu probably wouldn't do anything to him, but you can only begin to imagine just what sort of stories that magi shared about the dread Magus Killer. Shirou, remaining stoic and unperturbed by that entire sequence of events, just stares at you, he looks like he wants answers "What's going on, Shinji?"

"I'm just talking to your father about something, Shirou, actually, now that you're here..." You look at your best friend who is clearly confused by you suddenly turning up at his house unannounced, never-mind by the girl you have with you.

>Hypnotize Shirou asleep to take Avalon without him knowing.
>Tell Shirou about Avalon and have him cooperate.
>Make up a lie and take Avalon from Shirou without telling him what it actually is or what it is for.
>Write-in...

>>4356604
Tell him about avalon

>>4356604
>Tell Shirou about Avalon and have him cooperate.
Kerry living might have some effect on his hero of justice shtick but telling him about Avalon and giving him some pep talk about saving his father like this might still strengthen his resolve later in life

>>4356604
>Considering how Kiritsugu stuck it into Shirou in the first place and circumstances, let him explain the situation.

I forgot that Taiga and Waver kinda have a thing, sorry Taigabros, I like Waver, he can have her

>>4356604
>Make up a lie and take Avalon from Shirou without telling him what it actually is or what it is for.

>>4356604
>>4356625
supporting. Let kerry explain it because it'll look fucking weird if we do it and we dont want to blow our load on too many faces.

>>4356631
Was this earlier in the quest I dont remember this. Yeah I like waver too

letting shirou know about avalon, especially at this early age is only bound to get him in trouble.

>>4356646
It happens in side material for Zero.
Waver, Iskandar and Taiga get into some wacky adventure.
Then Taiga tries to introduce herself properly but Waver hypnotises her into going home.
IIRC It's one of the reasons Taiga wants to become an English Teacher.

>>4356604
>Considering how Kiritsugu stuck it into Shirou in the first place and circumstances, let him explain the situation.

>>4356649
Oh boy are we going to get the Seigi no Mikata speech here? Time for this song then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmAkr6Ls700

>>4356646
It was in some side material, Waver is the reason why Taiga became an English teacher so he left quite an impression on her.

>>4356604
>Considering how Kiritsugu stuck it into Shirou in the first place and circumstances, let him explain the situation.

>>4356604
>Tell Shirou about Avalon and have him cooperate.

>Considering how Kiritsugu stuck it into Shirou in the first place and circumstances, let him explain the situation.

Why does Waver not like the idea of Grey as his assistant? Is it that he feels he’s being manipulated?

>>4356705
I mean we just kinda stuck him with that position and we're like 13, how would you feel if a child just dumped a person on you?

>>4356705
Grey looking like Saber doesn't help either.

>>4356604
>Considering how Kiritsugu stuck it into Shirou in the first place and circumstances, let him explain the situation.

>>4356649
That’s really cute I’ll have to find that.

Where can I find it

>>4356631
I feel it's kinda difficult for a serious relationship to develop between them, considering the cultural difference(Western vs japan and magus vs muggle)

>>4356873
Waver is a handsome fella who has tons of students that wanna fuck him, he can get with Taiga.

>>4356604
>Considering how Kiritsugu stuck it into Shirou in the first place and circumstances, let him explain the situation.

supporting this, kerry did it so it's only natural for him to explain

>>4356625
Support

>>4356604
>Considering how Kiritsugu stuck it into Shirou in the first place and circumstances, let him explain the situation.

>>4356604
>>Considering how Kiritsugu stuck it into Shirou in the first place and circumstances, let him explain the situation.

>>4356604
>>4356625
Support.

You turn to Kiritsugu, who has become almost totally unreadable now. "Emiya-san, seeing as it was you who implanted it into him, I think it should fall to you to explain things to your son."

Kiritsugu simply sighs in response. "Very well. Shirou... I need to talk to you about something in private."

"Huh? Alright." Shirou doesn't really seem to get what's going on and just follows Kiritsugu out of the room, leaving you and the now hooded Gray sitting alone in the room.

There is one thing that is bothering you and that's just how Gray might feel about all this. "Are you... fine with this, Gray? I... I don't want you to get the wrong idea about why I organized for you to be saved. Y-you would've been saved anyway by Waver, you know? I don't want to turn you into a vessel for King Arthur or anything, I just... I just needed your power to uh... trick a Noble Phantasm." Honestly, you feel bad for just using this girl like she's a pawn in a game. She's got her own issues thanks to her upbringing already, and her rescuers only rescuing her for the fact that she is the vessel of King Arthur and they need to use her in a ritual of their own probably isn't something she considers fantastic.

The girl remains silent as she stares at you. "So, are you saying that you think there is value to me beyond just being a copy of King Arthur?" Gray is unaware of just how much Takeuchi likes drawing Saber's face, and just how many 'copies of King Arthur' really exist. "Even my face is no longer my own, just a copy of King Arthur's..." She sounds miserable, so you decide to try to cheer the girl up somehow.

"Would it make you feel better if you knew that King Arthur themselves appeared identical face-wise to Emperor Nero of Rome?" Gray looks at you like you're an idiot. "No really! I mean it! It might sound strange, but King Arthur's 'son' Mordred looked identical to her, and Jeanne d'Arc looked incredibly similar too! As... As well as a samurai from this country, Okita Sōji!" The girl looks at you and is actually trying to hide a smile, she clearly thinks you're just saying something silly in order to cheer her up, oh Gray. If only you knew. "My point is, Gray, that even King Arthur's face was not their own."

Gray remains silent for a moment before finally countering your point with something that really ought to destroy your argument. "...Aren't there statues and busts of Emperor Nero that have survived to this day?"

"Wrong. All of them." Ha! Evidence and facts are useless to one who is truly certain in his beliefs! If you don't choose to believe this account, that's on you, Gray! "It's really for the best that you don't ask too many questions about what I just said, if you want your answers, I would suggest summoning the heroic spirit Nero. She... I mean they would be able to answer your questions far better than what I can manage." You sigh. "But really, Gray. Don't let yourself feel that your face doesn't truly belong to you. You may have once looked different than what you look like now, but some, like the homunculi of the Einzbern are created as clones of another. This doesn't stop them from being their own person regardless of who they were based on." Illyasviel is a very different person from her mother, even if the two of them are both technically magical clones of Justeaze, after all.

Despite your somewhat whimsical attempt to cheer Gray up, even if it is based entirely upon fact, you only appear to have managed to cheer the girl up a little about her loss of her own appearance. "I... I think I understand what you mean, that... I shouldn't let my appearance decide who I am, right?" It's pretty obvious that Gray doesn't believe your explanation about Saberfaces, and it's not exactly like you can tell her that the character designer for the universe really really liked the original design for Saber.

"Yeah, that's it. You are your own person, Gray. Don't let what you look like change that. I might sound kind of... hypocritical. I know that I organ-"

"Don't worry about it." Gray cuts you off. Seems like she doesn't want you to try justifying your reasons for saving her again. "You, El-Melloi and your... quiet electric using friend saved me from my village. I'm grateful for that alone, but you and Waver... you see me as my own person, and not just as the yet to be filled vessel of King Arthur." It's actually kind of funny, if Arturia was actually summoned using this poor girl as a sacrifice, she would be very much less than pleased with her summoners. Gray's village really were tremendously dumb, even if their plan to resurrect King Arthur was possible, the woman herself probably would not at all have been pleased by the actions taken to summon her, nor would she even have wanted to be, well, alive.

You are however thankful that Add has so far remained silent throughout all of this. Is it trying to pretend that it's not a sentient Mystic Code? You've actually seen it move about on it's own accord once or twice in the golden cage Gray carries it in, so it's not really even doing that good a job at that. You haven't the faintest idea why Add has decided to remain silent. Though you can probably assume it's because the personality of Sir Kay that is within Add doesn't trust you at all. Oh well. If he wants to pretend to be nothing but a magical box, that's fine, you don't need to bring him into the conversation anyway.

After your brief chat with Gray about her face and her well, existence, you find yourself with nothing to do, and thus begin pacing back and forth around the room again. Gray just silently follows your movement with her eyes as you pace back and forth. Kiritsugu sure is taking a long time to explain Avalon to Shirou, isn't he?

Eventually the door slides open to reveal Shirou with a resolute expression on his face. Seems like whatever Kiritsugu ended up deciding to tell Shirou, it worked. Unfortunately for Gray though, Shirou can't actually speak English, so she's just going to have to infer to the best of her abilities what you are talking about. "Shinji. This... thing inside of me. You're saying that it can heal my dad?" Well, yes. That's exactly what the entire point of all of this is. What the hell did Kiritsugu spend his time telling Shirou about while he was gone? Furthermore, why didn't he come back with Shirou? What's he up to?

"If my theory is correct, then yes. It will cure him of the curse that is slowly killing him." You tell it to Shirou straight.

"Then why didn't you say something about this earlier?" Shirou questions you about what you're really up to, it kind of feels bad, having somebody like Shirou looking at you so suspiciously

"It's... hard for me to just bring up in conversation, Shirou-kun. I don't know how you would've taken the news if I just delivered it to you carelessly." Nevermind that until this point you were still uncertain whether or not you would actually attempt to save his father at all. Telling Shirou about the fact that Kiritsugu was dying and at the same time not planning to do anything about it would've been needlessly cruel.

Shirou's face remains unmoved before he looks away in defeat. "Yeah, you... might be right about that. So, what do I have to do?" Shirou quickly gets down to business, seems that the idea of being able to help save the man who once saved him is really very appealing to the young boy.

"Take off your shirt." Shirou gives you a confused look. "It's for the sake of more easily being able to transfer magical energy to you so we can extract Avalon from you. Bare-skin ought to be enough, and if not, we may have to resort to using blood." Thankfully, rejection of magical energy shouldn't be so much of a problem for you here, seeing as you don't actually need his body to accept either Gray's magical energy or your own.

"Fine." He takes his shirt off without another word. "But just... hurry up, alright? I feel awkward with a beautiful girl looking at me." You look over to Gray, who is involuntarily blushing at Shirou's indirect compliment. "What do I do next?"

"Just lay down on the floor, this is going to be kind of experimental, and I might need to get my teacher involved if I can't manage it by myself." Shirou obliges you and lays down. "Gray, I'm going to need you to transfer some of your magical energy to Shirou, so please place your hand on his back and start doing that." You place one of your hands on Shirou's back and insert some of your own magical energy into his body, the goal here is to find Avalon while it resonates with Gray's energy. Extracting it might be a little more difficult, but with your practice manifesting Truth, you feel that drawing Avalon out of Shirou won't be that difficult.

After a few minutes of searching, you find what it is you're looking for. A soft golden glow within Shirou that is clearly representative of the activated Avalon! Gray's energy has worked! You focus on the glowing particles within Shirou and start using your own magical energy to gather them together, Shirou squirms uncomfortably as you do so, but you don't let that distract you as you draw all of Avalon together into one large clump of glowing energy. You pull your hand away from Shirou and have the glowing energy within him follow you.

The golden energy emerges from Shirou not as energy, but as the beautiful sheathe of Excalibur. Avalon. The sheathe having been activated by what it considers to be King Arthur thrums with power. At this moment you realize that healing Kiritsugu truly will be possible.

Shirou gets up off the floor and stretches, his eyes widen as he sees the large sheathe in your hands, but he remains silent as Kiritsugu reenters the room and addresses his son. "Alright Shirou. I think you should head off to go find Taiga, alright? I've caused enough trouble to the El-Melloi already." Shirou frowns but doesn't dare ignore his father's request. Leaving the room while gawking at the sheathe of King Arthur. You'll give it back to him after using it to heal Kiritsugu anyway, so he can obsess over the beauty of the engraving or whatever it is that Shirou does with weapons and weapon related accessories in his own time.

The process of implanting Avalon into Kiritsugu is actually easier than it was taking it out of Shirou. Now that you have some experience with how the artifact feels, commanding it to take the form of golden energy is actually a relatively simple affair, and before long the artifact has vanished entirely within the body of the man who used to be the Magus Killer. Now, you wait. You wait to see whether the healing magic of King Arthur's sheathe is capable of healing the cursed man. Gray is still channeling some of her magical energy to Avalon through Kiritsugu's bare back. The aging man doesn't move for a moment before suddenly getting up, quicker than his condition from before would've allowed. Much quicker, actually.

Kiritsugu then looks at you and... laughs? It's a quiet laugh of a man who in a small way has had some of his hope restored. "Thank you. Matou-kun. I think... I think that it worked. I probably don't deserve this second chance. But I'm glad that you've given it to me regardless." Kiritsugu then manifests Avalon from within himself and hands it back to you. "Here. Go find Shirou and give this back to him." Kiritsugu has regained a portion of the intensity he once had while he was in his prime. He's still something of a far-cry from the cold-hearted killer he once was, but it's clear that he's regained some of his determination.

You leave the house at Kiritsugu's request. It's actually quite clear that he wants to be alone right now, and you need to give Shirou the only thing that'll keep him alive during the Fifth War when he tries to jump in front of Berserker like an idiot... Actually, you aren't really one to talk about doing stuff like that anymore. Hopefully neither of you end up getting into any situations where you feel the need to jump in front of a monster to protect a girl. But everything aside, Shirou needs it within him to actually summon Saber in five years time, so actually putting the sheathe within him again is something you do immediately upon tracking him down.

A week passes.

You're watching the morning news from a small TV you had installed in your room, and the news report is really something you should've seen coming. "No terrorist group has claimed responsibility for this attempted attack on Fuyuki City's Church. Fortunately, the bombs that were stashed inside the building went off at night, and the priest wasn't in the church at the time either." The camera cuts to that damn fake priest, who is doing quite a good job at pretending to have been completely shocked by the sudden attack. "Kotomine-san, you only managed to survive this explosion thanks the fact that you we-" You switch the TV off, you don't need to hear any more. Already, the consequences of Kiritsugu not only surviving, but also having been informed of a great deal of the future have shown themselves.

At the very least, the orphans underneath Fuyuki Church won't be forced to suffer anymore. Still, you want answers.

>Go to the Emiya Residence and ask Kiritsugu what the hell he is doing.
>Go to school and ask Shirou about Kiritsugu instead.
>Visit the destroyed Fuyuki Church.
>Write-in...

>>4357551
>>Write-in...
Invite Shirou out to eat at Ahnenerbe and then asked him about Kerry. Tell him Gray will be there so he doesn't try to escape.
Actually invite Gray and Waver.

>>4357551
Go to the emiya residence.

>>4357551
>Go to the Emiya Residence and ask Kiritsugu what the hell he is doing.

This, I was expecting, but it does make me wonder what possible plan he could have for dealing with Gilgamesh.
It's probably really cool.

I mean: it’s probably preety simple: kill the kids and they can’t be used to power up Gil anymore. So Gil just has his Grail flesh body now - which probably means he’s about as strong as the strongest modern mage. And has gate of Babylon

Meaning he can’t use his stronger attacks like the anti-world NP or whatever other bullshit he has.

>>4357589
>>4357590
He has IA and a vault full of magical restoratives.
He could be at full power any time he feels like.

Still probably not a good idea: did we tell him specifically how Gilgamesh was keeping alive? He might have just assumed the kid’s bodies were his main source of strength.

Cause in Fate S/N the kids were being used to keep Gil manifested, but in Fate Zero that got retconned to just being used to keep him at Fate/Zero levels of power

Might also be that NPs require prana to actually use: so he can’t just spam G o B anymore.

>>4357551
>Go to the Emiya Residence and ask Kiritsugu what the hell he is doing.
I think he's going to Shadowrun this. He'll go blow up the Great Holy Grail in the cavern eventually, try to trigger his explosives in advance or bypass the methods he himself used to prime them years ahead of time from Fate/Zero. We can't let him do this because if the Great Holy Grail goes down, Fate/Stay Night won't be able to happen. Would be best to get the ways Kiritsugu has the explosives set up from him directly, so that if shit happens to him, Shinji can do it himself or pass the knowledge on to somebody else if he can't do it somehow. No sense in having Shirou Trace Excalibur to sacrifice himself, or having Illya destroy the Great Holy Grail alongside herself like in HF.

>>4357551
>Go to the Emiya Residence and ask Kiritsugu what the hell he is doing.

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So guys, I found someone else we should adopt alongside Olga Marie. She should be about 7 right now if my math is correct.

Actually, weren't the orphans the only thing keep Gilgamesh supplied. Krie could likely find other to sacrifice, but striking at him like this could prove useful.

>>4357612
What exactly is the problem with destroying the leylines and preventing the war from happening?

>>4357638
I assume people actually want to take part in the FGW.

>>4357551
>Go to the Emiya Residence and ask Kiritsugu what the hell he is doing.
Goddamn motherfucking Kerry.

>>4357641
Part of me feels bad about it because now we won't get the kino basement scene from the Fate route happening. Then again, can you really fault Kiritsugu for making up for lost time?

>>4357644
I knew he was gonna pull this Zero shit, that's why I wanted to kill him. He's gonna fuck up the whole war and all our plans now, fucking watch.

>>4357640
We don’t risk letting angry man jew loose this way

>>4357638
Aside from the fact that it dooms Illya to die at 22 and prevents Shirou from ever meeting the love of his life, you mean? We already put forth some effort to save the most reprehensible member of the cast, we'd better be dedicated to saving every named character at this point.

>>4357647
Good

>>4357650
Most reprehensible is kirei

>>4357651
What are you, a legit zerofag? Like urobutcher's writing better than Nasu's? Want to give the story to Kerry and make him the protag? Fuck off.

>>4357551
>Go to the Emiya Residence and ask Kiritsugu what the hell he is doing.
Kerry you fuck.

>>4357653
I read the vn and then watched zero. I just don’t like you

>>4357551
>>Go to the Emiya Residence and ask Kiritsugu what the hell he is doing.
I’m voting for this but as long as Kerry is fighting for his family and not the abstract greater good he is ok in my book.

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>>4357650
>we'd better be dedicated to saving every named character at this point.
I totally am. I want to adopt Olga Marie and Kiara, because the best way to defeat the Beasts is to give them good lives and teach them the positivity of humanity.
We'll also save Illya, Sakura and Sacchin and make sure that after the war we can have Today's Menu at the Emiya Residence.

>>4357668
Jesus, I was being sarcastic. You're actually trying to go that far?
Pretty sure Olga Marie and Kiara are nonentities outside of the EXTRA and FGO timelines anyway, and as for Today's Menu... well, couldn't we have it at the Matou Residence instead?

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>>4357670
Olga Marie shows up in Case Files. Kiara may or may not, but Shinji has mentioned a few times about making sure that Moneybills and Lev die to prevent them from fucking shit up. Doesn't hurt to check if Kiara exists and if she does, adopt her to prevent her from becoming Heaven's Hole.

>couldn't we have it at the Matou Residence instead?
Hah. As soon as Zouken dies, my plan is to loot every magical tome of value and then burn that fucker to the ground Kerry style. I'm sure Sakura wouldn't mind seeing it go.
>Matou Residence

>>4357650
Shirou is already putting the moves on Gray. I find that hilarious.
>>4357551
>>Visit the destroyed Fuyuki Church.
Time for bad decisions.

>>4357650
>dooming Illya
You better be talking about having Caster fix her because I'm not sure if you're aware.
Einzbern lesser grails are designed to die when they complete the ritual.
They don't get the Third.
They die.
Lol.

>>4357680
What a waste. It's much nicer than Shirou's house. No reason to destroy a 200-year-old mansion just because you don't like someone who used to live there.

>>4357692
I don't want to take any risks that any of the crest worms might survive. Also, bad memories for Shinji and especially Sakura.
Get the books, collect some insurance money and buy ourselves a nicer house.

>>4357694
I have serious doubts that the insurance will pay if you blow your own house up.
And "I wanted to make sure grandpa was completely dead." isn't exactly a compelling argument.

> locked into Magus Killer 2.0 Time Alter Boogaloo route

Spicy!

>Visit the destroyed Fuyuki Church.

It's not like Kerry is going to tell us his plans if he didn't bother informing us of starting a one man guerilla war in Fuyuki.

>>4357692
We could literally live in Illya's much nicer house though?

>>4357706
Could buy our own much nicer house.

>>4357710
Let's not fuck up our investing next time and make enough to buy Fuyuki.

>>4357692
Shirou has the nicest house because it’s the coziest

>>4357551
>Go to the Emiya Residence and ask Kiritsugu what the hell he is doing.

>>4357551
>Go to school and ask Shirou about Kiritsugu instead.

>>4357551
>Visit the destroyed Fuyuki Church.
lets get murdered by the priest

>>4357551
>Go to the Emiya Residence and ask Kiritsugu what the hell he is doing.
Cool. Should have told us first however.

Doesn't this mean Rin will have Kirei literally living in her house?
Also won't the Church be pissed off?
I hope Kerry knows what he's doing.

>Try to find Ahnenerbe and invite Shirou and Gray
>>4357565

>Go to the Emiya Residence
>>4357568
>>4357578
>>4357612
>>4357618
>>4357641
>>4357654
>>4357727
>>4357660
>>4357754

>Go check out the destroyed church.
>>4357682
>>4357700
>>4357747

>Go to School and ask Shirou
>>4357743

Current vote count.
I hope you're prepared for the consequences of changing the future like this.

>>4357824
I'm prepared for them to be horrible.

>>4357824
>I hope you're prepared for the consequences of changing the future like this.
We should also ask him to help with Grandpa Worm since he is so willing to atone.

>>4357551
>Visit the destroyed Fuyuki Church.

couldnt zeltrechs magic sticks help keep illya alive? Rin has one.

>>4357842
I'm all for giving people magic sticks.

>>4357824
>I hope you're prepared for the consequences of changing the future like this.
I wouldn't have it any other way

>>4357824
>I hope you're prepared for the consequences of changing the future like this.
Harness the isekai power. End canon's reign over the timelines. This twisted game needs to be reset.

>>4357551
>Go to the Emiya Residence and ask Kiritsugu what the hell he is doing.
Well fuck dude

>>4357842
We have Avalon now, the best healing stick in Type Moon, we can try that to see if it can fix Illya, also we have an invite to the Einzbern castle now and a healed up Kerry. We can bring him as our plus one now.

>>4357891
>We can bring him as our plus one now.
Seriously? That's about the only thing I can think of to do that's even more insane than healing him in the first place. Can we at least try not to nuke our budding alliance with the Einzberns from the word go?

>>4357908
Literally the reason how we convinced him and why we healed him was to go save Illya

>>4357912
Not by showing up openly with him and saying, "Hey Acht, I brought your family's worst enemy. We're buddies!" We told him about the wilderness thing. The obvious plan to take from that is sneaking in, not announcing ourselves as the enemy ahead of time. Ideally our complicity shouldn't be revealed at all.

>>4357650
Touko can most likely save Ilya.
No need for servants to appear, but even without the greater grail, so long as we gain a proper understanding of the class system we should be able to summon heroic spirits independently right?

When do you normally get your servant? I want to see who we get.

>>4357920
I don't mean literally tell Acht that we brought Kerry, I mean to use our invite as an advantage to get Kerry through the front door

>>4357927
>Touko can most likely save Ilya.
I want to believe you. Where does that confidence come from?
>so long as we gain a proper understanding of the class system we should be able to summon heroic spirits independently right?
Theoretically it should be possible to reinvent the wheel and create original magecraft that summons heroic spirits. I'm not full of confidence that we're the equal of Justeaze in terms of being a genius magus innovator, but maybe. Also, the power required is huge. Where are we going to get as much energy as the greater grail takes 50 years to pull in from leylines?
>>4357932
I'm glad of that, at least. I still think taking Illya from her family, healing Kiritsugu, and trying to stop the grail war are all independently huge mistakes that come together to form one titanic bad move though.

>>4357937
I just wanna play as a good guy and being a good person is just always going to make things harder

>>4357941
If you wanted to play as a good person, why didn't you vote to let Kiritsugu die? He's a monster.

>>4357937
>Where does that confidence come from?
Francesca Prelati mentions that Touko's puppetry has touched upon the third. Her puppets are probably more human then the Einzbern's clones, hilariously enough.

>Where are we going to get as much energy as the greater grail takes 50 years to pull in from leylines?
You can set up a false grail fairly easy. Dr. Heartless does it to summon Faker.

>I still think taking Illya from her family
Illya's family is Kerry and Shirou, not Acht.

>trying to stop the grail war are all independently huge mistakes
I agree with this at least. I'm here to fuck about in the Fifth. Preventing it would ruin a large portion of the quest.

>>4357951
I always thought Strange Fake had somewhat different rules from the normal timeline's world, but I do hope you're right about it being able to be used for a reference. For a few reasons. After the whole Tsukihime merged world thing, Whatis probably will integrate Strange Fake's rules as canon here.
>Illya's family is Kerry and Shirou, not Acht.
Yeah, no. She's an Einzbern. Her family is in that castle.

>>4357937
What said Touko has a high chance of being able to help Ilya.
And we're a prodigy when it comes to magecraft, to the degree that Touko of all people thinks so.
We can definitely figure out a system to do that, the only reason the grail takes 60 years to pull enough mana is because they didn't want to harm the humans who lived in the area, if we use Caster's methods we could easily summon someone.
We don't need enough to summon 7 if we do this after all.

>>4357948
Because Kerry is her father and her best chance at getting saved early.

>>4357955
>Yeah, no. She's an Einzbern. Her family is in that castle.
You mean the family that treats her so coldly that the first person to show any sort of affection to her becomes the most important person in her life?
She is Kiritsugu's daughter. The Emiya are her family. All she is to Acht is a pawn to let die so he can try and get the third back.

>>4357948
Honestly man a lot of us just think its interesting to have him around for event but the hate boner one or two of you have is incredibly annoying,

>>4357640
If people wanted that, then why would they vote to save someone who is wholly opposed to the conflict, and already has the ability to move the leylines so it can't continue?
I was fully expecting him to do something like that.

>>4357650
I just realized this implies that Kiritsugu is more reprehensible than Zouken. I'm not completely sure how you can come to that conclusion.

>>4358003
I'd say they're about the same. Kiritsugu and Zouken have the same goal, the same all-consuming obsession with it, and the same ruthlessness. The only difference is that Zouken's had more time.

>>4358015
Thats kind of insane man.

>>4358015
Zouken doesn't even know what he's doing though.
Kiritsugu at least gave up when he realized it was completely impossible without genocide.

>>4358015
Next you're going say that Kotomine did nothing wrong.

>>4358032
Deus vult!

>>4358032
You misunderstand. I'm not defending Zouken, and I wouldn't defend Kirei. I'm just saying Kiritsugu is no better. It's a setting full of horrible people. The difference is that I haven't seen anyone voting to try and get along with our grandfather or heal Kirei's literal heartlessness. Out of all these monsters we for some reason singled out Kiritsugu to pretend he's worth saving.

>>4358056
There is no conceivable scenario where you can get along with Zouken as he is now. Post Zero Kerry causes his own issues but he will absolutely work in mutual interest.

Please try to look past your terminal autism.

>>4358065
>As he is now.
But isn't that the point?
If you're going to try and get along with him you need to get his attention and change him from his current state.
If you reminded him of his purpose and he successfully remembers like he did in HF then getting along isn't impossible, he'd be a great help actually.

>>4358068

I cannot believe anyone would seriously make this argument.

>>4358069
I don't think it will happen, but he is still a remnant of Zolgen Makiri, making him friendly is hardly a waste of time and resources.

>>4358069
I can't believe anyone would make an argument for saving Kerry, but here we are. It's a crazy old world.

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What if we use Kerry as a catalyst for Fake Assassin?

>>4358073
Ever since I read HF I've wanted kerry to be there with shirou and illya

>>4358072
He's never going to be "friendly" anon. Reminding him of his purpose before we put him down might be a good idea though.

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I'm writing the update right now, but I want to ask you guys to post images of whatever outfit you want to actually start wearing. You're thirteen years old right now, as a reminder.
This doesn't lock in your outfit for when you're eighteen either.
I'll just go with whatever gets the most support before I'm done writing the update.

>>4358113
overalls, red shirt, red hat

>>4358113
wait did Shinji just always wear his school uniform?

>>4358113
I don't have a picture, but the classic bocchama look should be fine. Wool slacks, button down shirt, cardigan/sweater vest. Shorts and a light short-sleeved button-down in the summer.

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>>4358113
Can't go wrong with Bomber Jacket, Shirt and Jeans. We can wear more stylish stuff when we're older.

>>4358113
wear blue, lots of blue
this >>4358130 but more blue, and maybe something to declare to the world "extreme wakame"

>>4358132
What about blue jeans, dark blue bomber jacket with white fur trim and a white shirt to break up the blue abit?

>>4358113
There's a skit in Carnival Phantasm with Shinji as a kid right? We'll wear whatever he had on in that. Because metaknowledge isekai guy remembers the outfit.

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>>4358139
>>4358124
The only other thing that comes to mind right now is his Hollow Ataraxia outfit, if you want Shinji wearing something other than his uniform.
Unless you count a white t-shirt covered in his own blood and jeans to be another outfit.

>>4358113
>>4358127
supporting

>>4358143
Isn't this the outfit Shinji uses in HF during BFA?
Why call it the HA outfit?

>>4358143
he looks like a fuckboi so not that

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>>4358143
OK yeah I couldn't find the skit I was thinking of. Let's go with his Today's Menu outfit.

>>4358145
Guess his scenes where he's wearing it in Hollow Ataraxia just stuck out to me more.
But yeah, he wears it in Stay Night too, if briefly.
He usually just wears his school uniform though.

>>4358149
this actually looks pretty good, its casual but kinda fancy

>>4358149
Don't you think that's way too basic?

>>4358157
We're 13. When I was a kid we all wore pretty basic clothes. We can put on suits and shit when we hit 16 or 18. Also the loose look kinda reminds me of those kungfu outfits and that works for all the martial arts training we do.

>>4358162
Maybe you're right. We also need a tournament arc so we can flex on some normies with our mad martial arts skills.

>>4358149
Supporting for casual.

>>4358178
would be a good way to incorporate servants if the greater grail gets destroyed the grail war doesnt happen

There's nothing for it. You'll confront Kiritsugu about this directly. After all, there can be no other explanation for this. What the hell is he playing at? If he was going to detonate the Church, couldn't he at least have ensure Kirei was going to die in the explosion? Whatever, you'll get your answers from the man soon enough.

Sakura has long since accepted that she can't ask about your disappearances during the day or ask the automated puppet version of yourself that you switch places with occasionally for your lessons with Touko too many questions. You can tell that she's frustrated by your constant disappearances and sometimes acts a little agitated when she feels like you're about to go off and do your own thing once again, but the both of you know that you can't be truthful with her. At this point, Zouken has likely implanted his heart worm into the girl, and as such, if he wishes to observe her, then he can do so at any time. It would only take him observing at an opportune moment to reveal the extent of your deception against him, if you were to allow Sakura to know just what it is that you've been doing for the past five years.

You quickly get dressed, earlier than you usually do. You're going to find out what Kiritsugu has planned and you're going to remind him of your own plans. Him acting out on his own has completely screwed things up already. The Church being destroyed has changed the future dramatically already. God only knows what else he might have planned... unless... No. He wouldn't, would he? If Kiritsugu has properly organized for the destruction of the Greater Grail, then that would mean that the Fifth War can never happen. That would also mean that your hopes of having Saber be happy would be completely dashed, and Illya's odds of survival would become tremendously low. You need the grail war to happen. For everyone else's sake.

You quickly get dressed, not in your school uniform, but instead in the outfit you wear by choice. A simple ensemble of a white button down shirt and black wool slacks. It's not warm enough today to warrant putting a cardigan or a vest on, so you simply finish up and put a pair of brown leather shoes on.

After you're dressed, you head downstairs, intending to head straight out of the house only to be stopped by the last person you wanted to see this morning. Well, he's the last person you ever want to see in general, but sometimes you can't avoid bumping into your grandfather. "Oh, it's been a while since we've talked, hasn't it, Shinji?" There's no hint of hostility in Zouken's voice, but you can't just brush him off. You need to treat this situation with the utmost care. While you've certainly grown in strength as a magus, you know that you're still quite a way off from being able to defeat Zouken in a one on one battle. Regardless of that, killing Zouken's body would be meaningless without a way to remove all of the Crest Worms from Sakura, including the heart worm.

The only way that Sakura is surviving that operation is if you were to rely on Gray to use Avalon once again, yet you don't know how to perform spiritual surgery yet, and Kirei isn't likely to agree to help this time, you feel. Not when Sakura's survival when being operated on is effectively guaranteed by the powerful healing artifact you now have access to, once again hidden within Shirou so his body can continue to learn it's true structure. Until you're confident that you can actually kill him, you'll just have to play the part of the fool to Zouken. "Good morning grandfather. It's not often that I see you at this time in the morning." You try your hardest to keep up your friendly facade with the man, even though you would like nothing more than to see him be incinerated.

"I've simply seen reason to go for a walk this morning. There's something I need to make sure of." Could Zouken be worried about the Fuyuki Church's explosion? While you told Kiritsugu a lot about things, there was a lot that you didn't inform him. You had intended to give him a week or two to recover and adjust to his newly cured body before dropping the full weight of the future on him. Seems like he didn't want to wait that long though.

"Then... where exactly are you heading, grandfather?" You're curious as to what exactly Zouken is plotting here, and it's not like there's anything suspicious about wanting to know where he's heading off to. You don't speak with him whenever you can help it, but you certainly haven't allowed the man to become aware of the truly burning hatred you hold for him.

"It's not important." The old man simply shrugs as he gives a dismissive answer before leaving the house. Clearly Zouken isn't willing to reveal his intended location to you. While it's not like he's suspicious of you, it's more like he just doesn't consider you important enough to warrant telling. Another thing that infuriates you about him. Were you anybody else, he likely would've seen through you, but from the start he considers Shinji as so worthless that anything you do is basically completely ignored by him. Things will luckily remain that way unless he were to somehow find out about the truth about you. To Zouken, you represent the complete and utter failure of the Makiri bloodline. If only he knew just how much potential you truly held.

You're at least thankful that Zouken didn't want to talk with you any more than you wanted to talk with him, reasons behind your dislike between interacting with the other aside. The old man was actually somewhat worried about something too, if you can read the expressions of the walking corpse right. Maybe the Fuyuki Church's sudden immolation has gotten the old worm shaken up? Maybe it would be worth following him to see just what he's plotting.

>Follow Zouken to wherever he's planning on going.
>Tail Zouken for a while but if he doesn't seem to be up to anything unusual just go visit the Emiya Residence.
>Ignore Zouken completely and just go straight to Kiritsugu for answers.
>Write-in...

>>4358294
>Ignore Zouken completely and just go straight to Kiritsugu for answers.
Zouken is ignoring us but he isn't dumb enough to get followed.

>>4358294
Tail zouken

>>4358294
>Ignore Zouken completely and just go straight to Kiritsugu for answers.
Zouken has killed for less so lets not

>>4358294
>>Ignore Zouken completely and just go straight to Kiritsugu for answers.
Avoid until we go for the kill.

>>4358294
>Ignore Zouken completely and just go straight to Kiritsugu for answers.
I dont want to fuck with the worm that walks just yet

>>4358291
>Zouken has likely implanted his heart worm into the girl, and as such, if he wishes to observe her, then he can do so at any time. It would only take him observing at an opportune moment to reveal the extent of your deception against him, if you were to allow Sakura to know just what it is that you've been doing for the past five years.
Ok so Zouken is about to find out how much we mean to Sakura real fucking soon now

Wait I just thought of something, since we have a functioning Avalon now, we can literally crush Sakura's heart and effectively kill the crest worm like that. Kiritsugu survived an attack like that with Avalon in him

>>4358294
>Ignore Zouken completely and just go straight to Kiritsugu for answers.

Oh fuck I see whats fucking gonna go on now, since Kerry survived, he's likely gonna go after Kirei (maybe after saving Illya hopefully) and deal with the Grail and Zouken. Shit is gonna get fucking wild really soon

>>4358294
Ignore zouken
>>4358325
900 iq

>>4358325
>>4358342
Do you think it'll work out considering her age?

>>4358294
>Ignore Zouken completely and just go straight to Kiritsugu for answers.

>>4358294
>Ignore Zouken completely and just go straight to Kiritsugu for answers.

Why does Shinji have such hopes for Saber in the fist place?
She chose the path she's walking down same as most others who participate in the Grail War.
Doesn't he have greater affection for people based on how much they don't deserve their fate?

>>4358348
No reason it shouldn't, it saved Shirou when he was on the verge of death and just removed 6 billion curses.
It can reform a little girl's heart.

>>4358348
Shirou got cut in half by Berserker and he somehow survived, Kerry went from being a stage 4 cancer patient to bombing a church in a week, I think a 13 year old can survive having her heart turned to mush with Avalon inside her

>>4358352
Because Saber has to accept that there was nothing she could do to stop the fall of Camelot and that she did her best, trying to wish herself out of existing isn't gonna solve anything. Also our boy Shirou deserves his waifu since we're kinda taking all of his

>>4358359
Wasn't it less that she couldn't do anything, and more that she had to accept the past is the past and that even if you change it, it wouldn't guarantee a better result?
Isn't Shirou's true waifu Issei anyway?

>>4358364
Camelot is literally time locked, it has to fall, Saber was pretty much relegated to never actually get the Grail. She has to find peace with her failures and accept that she did her best

>>4358378
If she ever succeeded in her quest history would change, but until she did the world would just continue on as though the past where she failed was what really happened.
I never felt that her quest was in vain though, especially with existences like the throne, that exists separately from earth time.
Being able to re-write history seems perfectly reasonable to me.

>>4358294
>Ignore Zouken completely and just go straight to Kiritsugu for answers.

I'm glad to see everyone staying as far away from grandpa worm as possible. We need to get strong enough to kill him, soon.

Does killing the heart worm kill Zouken instantly or merely make it so that he can't come back when we then destroy his body? Regardless is there a more painless way to save Sakura than simply putting a super regen artifact in her and then just destroying her until the worms are all gone? I feel like that'd be a really harsh thing to do, and while killing Zouken and freeing Sakura are both priorities, if it wouldn't take that long for a much nicer way to be developed I'd prefer to aim for that.a

>>4358420
look man, do you want her to be free as fast as possible or as painless as possible?

>>4358435
We should be able to get Touko's help with it, and she has that anesthetic.
It shouldn't be that painful if we do it properly, but the actual problem is killing Zouken before he kills Sakura.

>>4358294
>Ignore Zouken completely and just go straight to Kiritsugu for answers.
LEAVE HIM BE

>>4358442
Touko doesn't really want to help, dealing with Zouken is our problem (and probably our final test)

We just have to figure out if the heart worm is there or not and then we can cheese it

>>4358294
>>Ignore Zouken completely and just go straight to Kiritsugu for answers.
Like ships passing in the night.

He can probably take over Sakura whenever he feels like it. Need to crush the heart worm without her expecting it or while he’s occupied

Also, I feel like the heart worm might survive for a while and get healed by Avalon.

>>4358720
If that's your concern then all that needs to be done is to gouge out her heart.

>>4358294
>Ignore Zouken completely and just go straight to Kiritsugu for answers.

>>4358294
>Ignore Zouken completely and just go straight to Kiritsugu for answers.

You think about things for a moment before deciding against following Zouken. He's way too dangerous for you to antagonize just yet, and he'd probably figure out you were following him if you decided to take that course of action. As annoying as not knowing what it is that Zouken is up to, you'll just have to accept it for now. Besides, it's not like whatever he could be up to is going to be that important.

You shrug as you leave the house and begin walking towards your own intended location, you make sure you aren't being followed and take a few twisting paths through some of the buildings just in case. One of the lessons Touko felt the need to instill into you was proper paranoia about being followed. You're thankful that she did though, when you start making your existence in the world more known, it's pretty clear that you're going to manage to make enemies just by existing, and if not enemies, then magi who want to experiment on you. Or worst of all, the Church. Seeing as the Burial Agency exists, the Church are probably the most powerful single organization on the planet. Well, not counting the Dead Apostle Ancestors, but they fight amongst themselves far too much to be considered one single faction. There's basically a civil war perpetually going on in their ranks. Then you've got the Dead Apostles who simply don't care about the rest of the Ancestors like Nrvnqsr or Ainnash. If you recall correctly, Enhance is actually in open rebellion against the rest of the Dead Apostles and keeps killing other vampires. Also he looks like Dante from the Devil May Cry series. You aren't sure if that statement was meant as a joke.

You can only hope that due to the destruction of Fuyuki Church, the Church as a whole doesn't consider it a good idea to send more of its agents to assist in the Holy Grail War. While Servants could easily deal with all but the most dangerous of executors, who even then would be unable to put up much of a challenge unless the servant in question was particularly pathetic, like True Assassin. But against members of the Burial Agency, it's probably quite likely that the balanced would be tipped completely against the Servant's favor. Ciel alone would be able to wear down and defeat most of the Servants summoned in the Fifth War thanks to her immortality and ridiculous physical abilities, her magical capacity is also ridiculous too, if you remember correctly, and the girl is one hundred times greater than the average magus when it comes to her circuits, so it's unlikely that even the Mystic Eyes of Petrification would function on her. God help you if the Church sees fit to send the higher seated members of the Burial Agency. Well, actually, God seems like the last being who would deem to help somebody against the Church.

Thankfully though, it's unlikely that the Church would bother to send some of it's greatest agents to oversee the grail war considering they already have Kirei overseeing things. While they might be unaware of the fact that Kirei is a completely heartless monster who only finds joy in the suffering of others, they are aware of the fact that Kirei has an excellent record as an executor. Hopefully Kiritsugu's rash action in blowing the Church to hell won't give the Church cause to send additional forces thanks to their faith in Kotomine.

Thoughts of new unexpected developments occurring in the future plague you for the entire journey to the Emiya Residence, until finally you are at the front door of the house. You take a deep breath as you make your presence known to whoever is inside the house, you only have to wait a moment for the door to open, and you come face to face with Shirou. The walk to the Emiya Residence is pretty long and he doesn't look like he's getting ready for school either, did he decide not go today?

"Shinji?" Shirou obviously wasn't expecting you to arrive so early in the morning regardless. "Why are you here, and... do you know where my dad went?" Shirou immediately gives you the news that you were dreading. Kiritsugu isn't here at all. Before you were annoyed at his rash actions, but now you're getting pissed off. You didn't save Kiritsugu so he could ruin everything!

"No. I was actually hoping I would be able to find him here, actually. I needed to ask him about something. Why? When did he leave? We might be able to find him if we looked for him." Hopefully he's just laying low somewhere in Fuyuki and you'll be able to get your answers from him when you track him down.

"He said he had to do a few things that he should have done years ago, and that he would be back in a few weeks." A few weeks? Things, as in multiple things? No... It can't be that he's trying to... "Shirou. Did he mention anything about leaving the country to you? Or maybe that he was going to the harbor?" You need to stop the damn fool before he gets himself killed and ruins any potential you have to collaborate with the Einzbern. Other than the destruction of the greater grail there's only one thing that Kiritsugu would want to accomplish, and seeing as Ryūdō Temple hasn't exploded yet, there's only one potentiality left, you hope that you're wrong about this though.

Shirou looks a little confused by your sudden intense questioning before looking as if he remembers something. "He said if you came round I should tell you something about uh... getting past a bounded field? He told me that you would understand what that meant." Damn it! Damn it! Damn it! What the hell is he thinking?! You told him that you would've had a chance to rescue Illya in the months before the grail war! Can't he just be patient? You've had to endure seeing Sakura suffer for half a decade and you haven't acted rashly! Damn it! "Is there... something wrong, Shinji?"

"No. It's... fine. I was just a little surprised by what your father is planning on doing, is all." Can he even manage it? While he was never able to get past the bounded fields of the Einzbern Castle thanks to his weakness, even now he's been restored to a level close to his prime, he'll have easily the most difficult challenge of his life ahead of him. You suppose you ought to wish him luck in rescuing Illya though.

Shirou looks at you with great intensity now. At the moment you revealed that you know just what it is Kiritsugu is planning on doing he became more resolved. "Then... Shinji. What is my father planning on doing?" Shirou asks you a question that you aren't sure whether or not to give him the answer to.

>"Kiritsugu has gone to Austria in an attempt to save your sister and his biological daughter from the Einzbern, a powerful magus family. Her name is Illyasviel von Einzbern."
>"I'll only tell you if you promise me that you aren't going to do anything stupid about it."
>"I can't tell you. If Kiritsugu didn't tell you, then it's not my place to do so."
>Write-in...

>>4358926
>>"I'll only tell you if you promise me that you aren't going to do anything stupid about it."
>>Write-in...
I mean it, Shirou. Can't lose my best friend too.

>>4358926
>"I can't tell you. If Kiritsugu didn't tell you, then it's not my place to do so."

>>4358926
>"I can't tell you. If Kiritsugu didn't tell you, then it's not my place to do so."

>"I can't tell you. If Kiritsugu didn't tell you, then it's not my place to do so."

>+ Ask Shirou if he left before or after the church blew up

>>4358926
>"I'll only tell you if you promise me that you aren't going to do anything stupid about it."

>>4358926
>"I'll only tell you if you promise me that you aren't going to do anything stupid about it."

Yeah we should have let Kerry die

>>4358926
>>"I can't tell you. If Kiritsugu didn't tell you, then it's not my place to do so."