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You are Shinji Matou, two years ago you suddenly found yourself with the memories of a complete past life that saw this world as a fictional story due to some unprecedented form of inter-dimensional transportation. Since that day, your new composite being has been working to change the grim future laid out for you.

To that end, you have focused on improving yourself as well as your relationship with your adoptive sister, Sakura, all while hiding the truth from your father, Byakuya, and your ancestor, Zouken. Should either of them find out the truth about you, then dying would be the least of your worries.

Just recently, you have gone on a trip to Misaki Town in order to meet up with Aoko Aozaki and to determine just what the timeline of the world you are in is like. Fortunately, you already managed to meet the Fifth Magician, but rather unfortunately, you weren't exactly in a position to ask her for guidance.

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"Sure we will, Sacchin! I'll... I don't know, visit you on your birthday every year maybe?" It's actually a pretty big commitment to make to the girl you just met, but it does provide you with a great cover. If Zouken or Byakuya ask, you can just say you simply went to visit a girl you know from school, and that her mother went to pick you up for a few days in another city. Hell, Byakuya is blackout drunk half of the time and Zouken never bothers talking to you anyway, you can just lie to the two of them about it.

"Really? Well, I live in Misaki's fourth district, 13th block and it's the 24th house, OK? It has a red door." Satsuki tells you her address first, waiting for you to nod your head to confirm that you heard it properly. "And my Birthday is August 15th!" Hmmph, looks like you've missed it this year then. Unfortunate, but you suppose you don't need to come back to Misaki town for a while anyway. Really, though, it is probably a good idea to keep an eye on the town. Especially as you still don't know whether or not the events of Tsukihime are actually going to occur in the world that you occupy. Asking Monica something like 'Have you heard of the White Princess of the True Ancestors?' is just going to look either strange if she has, or unhinged if she hasn't. You're a child and could probably get away with it, but Monica is a pretty discerning person, and would probably press you for more information if she got too suspicious of you. She might like you, but she's not stupid

"Alright, Sacchin! I guess I'll see you then!" You call out to the girl as the two of you part from each other. You make sure to remember her address as she begins to walk away from you and out of the hotel, walking close to her father's side and taking one last peek back at you before vanishing from sight from completely.

You watch her leave the hotel in silence. You... you want to save her from what happens to her, but... can you? Of course, you know from Melty Blood that it truly is possible for Satsuki to survive with her sanity in check even after being turned into a Dead Apostle, and the fact that her route should theoretically exist if Nasu wasn't just lying the entire time about the Tsukihime Remake. "Oh man, have you got a crush on her, Shinji-kun?" You keep staring out the hotel doors in silence until the silence is broken by a teasing voice. You turn to see Monica giving you an equally teasing smile. "You're gonna break a lot of hearts when you grow up if you act like that around too many girls though, Shinji-kun. Just don't be surprised if you end up facing the consequences of doing something like that." Monica's smile is too sweet for what she's actually talking about. It's actually kind of scaring you.
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"W-well, I... I guess I'll try... try not to be too friendly around other girls in the future?" The way that the older woman is staring at you chills you to your core, and you feel pressured into agreeing with the woman, even if you don't really intend to follow her advice at all. You'll do what you want, and her advice might come from a good place, but you can't really be expected to follow it. You'll just have to be a little more careful to not make girls fall for you. Especially if it could lead to a dangerous situation. Honestly, things could get a little hairy if Sakura ended up falling for you. Too many of the Type-Moon girls are kind of... dangerous, to have fall in love with you.

"Good boy. Now, lets go get some rest shall we? I'd like to recover some of my energy after having to deal with that vampire earlier." She yawns a little to better emphasize her relative lack of energy. You don't know how much magical energy the woman actually ended up using though, or if she's even tired. But you suppose that it can't hurt to have some rest.

"Right." You agree with the incredibly powerful freelancer. After watching her battle that Dead Apostle, you really can't help but wonder just how her fight against Aoko went down. How did it start? What was the damage like at the end of it? How does Monica stack up to other powerful magi, like Alba, or hell, Touko?

The two of you take the elevator up to the room and with a parting "Good night." from each of you, you both retire to your own bedrooms. You quickly end up falling asleep, seemingly more tired from the length of time and the excitement earlier than you thought you were.
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You dream of a black bubbling sea of mud evaporating into a red mist and the figure of a beast standing within the deep pit of the now emptied ocean. A savage grin appearing on the bestial creature's face as it surveys the surroundings and the piles of corpses belonging to men and women strewn about it, the scattered weapons of those slain victims litter the ground. The smile grows even wider as the overwhelmingly powerful beast brings up a foot, smashing one of the bodies into bloody pulp with ease. Then it looks up at you and smiles. For a moment though, you could swear that the beast doesn't have the smile of the terrifying creature you were watching, but the charming smile of a beautiful girl. Then everything goes dark.

You awake with a start, clutching your head in pain. A nightmare? It felt far too real to have simply been just a nightmare, and most nightmares don't tend to leave you with a splitting headache after they end. You aren't sure what the dream might mean, and you don't know if you can even ask anybody if it might mean anything either. Whatever the meaning of this dream of yours will have to go unanswered for now. You get dressed and enter the small living room of the hotel room, only to find Monica sprawled out on the hotel room sofa and surrounded by empty cans of alcohol. You don't really remember her drinking while she was looking after you two years ago... you wonder what brought about her sudden binge.

"Come on Monica-san! It's time to wake up!" You prod the woman to try to wake her up, only for the woman to show absolutely no response to your attempt to awaken her. She's totally out like a light. Though looking at the woman as she remains completely unresponsive, you begin to wonder if it might be better to just leave her sleeping here and maybe write her a note as to where you went on your own.

Double Vote!
>Try to wake Monica up through less amiable methods and head out with her.
>Wait for Monica to wake up before heading out with her.
>Just leave the hotel room without Monica.
>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
And
>Go looking for Aoko, see if you can find any women with long red hair wandering around in some fields.
>Look for the Tohno Mansion.
>Look for Shiki in hospital.
>Go visit Satsuki as a surprise.
>Just wander around town and hope you run into something interesting.
>Write-in...
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>>4338679
>>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
>>Just wander around town and hope you run into something interesting.
>>Write-in...
Buy a damn cell phone or two. I refuse to be constrained by landlines.
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>>4338679
How old is Monica? Hope we romance her. Also wait for her and look for something interesting.
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>>4338679
>>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
>Just wander around town and hope you run into something interesting.
I agree, let's look for some cellphones.
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>>4338679
>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
>Go looking for Aoko, see if you can find any women with long red hair wandering around in some fields.
Honestly, this seems like some sort of set up where you become best bros with Shiki without Monica around
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fuck waifu wars, I wanna become bros with Shiki and Shirou

>>4338677
>"You're gonna break a lot of hearts when you grow up if you act like that around too many girls though, Shinji-kun. Just don't be surprised if you end up facing the consequences of doing something like that."
I feel like we're being told something right now
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>>4338696
You'd have to ask her or sneak a peek at some form of ID if you wanted an exact age for her, but she looks like she could be anywhere from 22-25 right now.
She looks just a little bit older than when you saw her two years ago.

I would not recommend asking her.
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>>4338679
>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
>Just wander around town and hope you run into something interesting.

Ah yes, phones. WhatIsAQM's kyptonite.
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>>4338678
>Honestly, things could get a little hairy if Sakura ended up falling for you
Too late
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>>4338679
>Mud
>Red mist
>Beast
>Smile of a beautiful girl
Ma-na-ka! Ma-na-ka! Ma-na-ka!
>>4338679
>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
>Go looking for Aoko, see if you can find any women with long red hair wandering around in some fields.
Priorities, priorities, we need someone to help hide active magic circuits. You can buy a cell phone in any city.
>>4338704
Fuck being bros with Shiki and Shirou, I just want waifu wars.
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>>4338712
Wonder if we'd still go for her when the war starts. She'd be 30-33.
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>>4338718
Yep waifu wars. I want yandere gf
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>>4338718
I feel like we're gonna get both with how Monica talked about our romantic endeavors
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>>4338727
You'll get a Jurassic Park of yanderes considering the way plot is progressing so far.
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>>4338679
>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
Make her a breakfast before going.
And leave her some brine to help with hangover.
>Go looking for Aoko, see if you can find any women with long red hair wandering around in some fields.
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>>4338735
So like, is Rin the only mentally stable love interest? Is that it?
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>>4338740
Tragic, isn't it?
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>>4338679
>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
>Just wander around town and hope you run into something interesting.
More likely to meet Aoko while wandering.
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>>4338744
well i'm a Rinfag so eh
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>>4338747
We should have a harem of just Rin and Luvia.
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>>4338740
She's mentally stable, anon, but not a love interest for anyone but Shirou.
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>>4338749
Shirou is for Saber only anon, its been discussed, and there isn't enough room for Rin in Avalon
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>>4338718
Wait a fucking secong

>Manaka

>Monica being more powerful than expected

Nah im sure its nothing but damn if the phonetics are not close.
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>>4338753
UBW Good, anon, is this news to you? It's the happiest ending for Shirou. Don't you want him to be happy?
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>>4338740
From Fate/Stay Night?
Pretty much.
You could make an argument for Saber until you realise she's basically fighting to erase herself from ever having existed.
Mitsuzuri I suppose is mentally stable, but she's not exactly a love interest.
Taiga is also (debatably) mentally stable.
As for Tsukihime, both near-side heroines are pretty stable people... usually.
Far-side makes up for that though.

>>4338714
Yes, this is where I reveal that a butterfly effect causes mobile communication to never take off.
I wish.
Well I don't think you'll be able to mess with things too much just by getting a phone.
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>>4338756
Last Episode is Shirou's best ending anon, he never gives up on his dreams and Saber never gives up on waiting for him, clearly the best
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>>4338762
He has to fail at his dreams for a lifetime first. Being together with Rin and Saber while still alive and having a fulfilling youth is the happiest ending for Shirou. Search your heart, you know it's true.
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>>4338760
Mitsuzuri is in love with Rider, I don't want to ruin their beautiful relationship.
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>>4338749
I feel like at some point we either become a machmaker or someone will end up stabbed, probably us.

>>4338760
You will regret giving us a phone, mark my words.
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>>4338765
>someone will end up stabbed, probably us
What do you think we're doing all this training for, anyway? To win the war? Naive! It's to survive the far harsher battleground of our postwar harem.
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>>4338763
how does he fail for a lifetime? He succeeded enough to the point where he broke through something that was beyond True Magic
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>>4338765
Yeah Sakura is gonna stab us
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>>4338769
You think he did that in a snap? Fate Shirou isn't that different from the original one in Archer's timeline. As a result, he must've gone through all the same hardships as Archer, and just have taken enough willpower from his experience in the war to endure it all. A lifetime of suffering exchanged for a happy end may be touching, but it's heavily undercut by the fact that we know he can get that same happiness at 18 if he just makes the right choices.
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Waifu wars are and will always be, overrated.
Making a genuine positive difference in the world? Ensuring everyone waifu ends up happy? Hanging out with the boys after a long day of doing good? Now that's what makes my pp become PP.
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>>4338774
happiness for eternity with Shirou's one true waifu is better than however many decades he's gonna spend with Rin and Saber
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>>4338679
>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
>Just wander around town and hope you run into something interesting.
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>>4338783
you get it anon
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>>4338785
>happiness for eternity with Shirou's one true waifu
He doesn't even meet Sakura in Last Episode.
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>>4338760
you fix saber in the end
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>>4338791
>>4338785
>Sakura
>Saber
You're both wrong, because I'm afraid another would take the role as most important person to Shirou if they were ever to meet.
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>>4338808
>Sakura
>Saber
I know who Shirou's most perfect waifu is.
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>>4338679
>Wait for Monica to wake up before heading out with her.
>Look for Shiki in hospital.
Going out alone seems like a dumb idea when we know shit like vampires are after us. But maybe I'm just being paranoid
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>>4338839
well its daytime so...
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>>4338839
It's fine, we're leaving her a note.
>Dear Monica. Went out to explore the town. Decided to let you sleep in. Will be back later if not kidnapped by vampires. -Shinji
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>>4338679
>>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
>>Look for Shiki in hospital.
Its another step on why we came here. Today needs to be the business day since we leave no later than midday tomorrow.
>>4338850
That's some straight up Monster Squad note writing.
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>Leave with a note.
>>4338686
>>4338700
>>4338701
>>4338701
>>4338714
>>4338718
>>4338736
>>4338745
>>4338786
>>4338881

>Wait for her to wake up
>>4338696
>>4338839
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>Wander
>>4338686
>>4338700
>>4338696
>>4338714
>>4338745
>>4338786

>Look for Aoko
>>4338701
>>4338701
>>4338718
>>4338736

>Look for Shiki
>>4338839
>>4338881

Now that is an unexpected turnout!
Well then, I'm going to enjoy this.
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>>4338881
"Today needs to be the business day" was my thinking as well, which is why I voted to look for Aoko. Do you mind telling me why you feel it's a good idea to prioritize Shiki? It seems to me like he can't really do anything for us right now and doesn't need our help in any way, whereas we could really benefit from finding Aoko.
Or are you suggesting that we meet Aoko by sticking with Shiki, since she's guaranteed to show up and meet him at some point?
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>>4338932
>Well then, I'm going to enjoy this.
Oh god damn it, this isn't gonna end well is it?
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>>4338932
>Well then, I'm going to enjoy this.
you guys fucked up i fucking hate you wanderer voters, we're gonna get eaten now
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If we get dead end do we get claire sensei lesson or taiga's?
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>>4338934
You've got part of the right of it. I don't know enough about Tsukihime to really weigh one character or skill set over the other. But I'm trusting the insights of others on this and amending my decisions around it.

Shiki seems like he'll be good to have as at least an acquaintance at some point. Now is as good a time as any to introduce ourselves and make a good first impression. If we run into Aoko at the same time, that's great. Otherwise we might be able to hedge on coming up between the two of them at some point which can create a deeper connection than just hunting for Aoko.

tl;dr, Aoko knows who Shinji is. If she wants to find him, she can, and it makes the relationship reciprocal rather than one-sided.
Creating opportunities for that to happen either now or in the future seems better use of time than hunting for Aoko.
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>>4338704
Become sentai rangers
>Shirou Magus red
>Shinji Magus Blue
>Shiki Magus Black
>Emiya Magus Gyaru
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>>4338679
>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
>Go looking for Aoko, see if you can find any women with long red hair wandering around in some fields.
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>>4338754
Manaka was a Prodigy of a Magus being a notoriously quick study in most things it's not impossible that she could change her appearance
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Watch us get kidnaped by a dead apostle lmao
Shouldn't have gone alone, especially if you're going to wander around such a dangerous city
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>>4338767
>Every Waifu has a Knaifu or even a Raifu
how are we going to survive bros
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>>4338987
All Fiction bro
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I really don't understand the motivation of the "Just wander around the city and see what happens" vote. We came here with a specific goal in mind and now you want to just kill time like we're waiting around for someone to make shit happen for us? Why?
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>>4338999
Some anons think that thats the best way to meet Aoko? I mean, more power to them but we have one more day before we gotta get back home or else Sakura will get mad
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>>4338679
>Wait for Monica to wake up before heading out with her.
>Look for Shiki in hospital.
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>>4338979
>>4339027
I think you guys are a bit late.
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>>4338999
anons are retarded. In this quest so far we have had 9 different waifu wars without any quest prompt for a waifu, some autist conjecting the supposed nature of shinji's possesor, which according to him may be an african god, or some fuck spamming about how we cant save illya because that would ruin her somehow. We are weak as sticks but together we form a mighty faggot.
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>>4339084
We're gonna get so many fucking Bad Ends holy fuck
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>>4339084
>we cant save illya because that would ruin her somehow
Can we compromise and save her after the war starts? I don't see why it has to be all or nothing.
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>>4339084
>shinji's possesor, which according to him may be an african god
Holy fucking hell, I missed that last thread. My sides are in orbit.
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>>4339113
Yeah, dude was all over the place. Total nut job
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>>4339110
that one anon he's talking about didn't want to save her before the war started
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>>4339122
That's my point. Anon one wants to save her and give her a happy end. Anon two doesn't want her childhood to be changed. Seems like if we can save her during the war then everybody's happy.
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>>4338999
It's the same idea behind voting to go on the train.
Actively looking for Aoko won't let us find her. Wandering around, getting lost, and potentially getting ourselves in danger?
Great way to draw her out.
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>>4339110
>>4339124
>We can't save Illya before the war, she has to get all these mental traumas and scars from her shit life otherwise it won't count.
That's why. Fuck that guy. Fuck letting Illya suffer that shit.
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>>4339144
Saving girl/Making them happy >>>> Waifuing them
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>>4339144
yeah fuck that, I would rather save Illya and have no chance of being with her than romancing her but having her deal with those mental traumas
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>>4339117
Where do you think you are? This site has been a haven for schizos and autists for years
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So >>4339144 refuses to compromise because he's having too much fun with the argument, >>4339147 wants to be Shirou 2.0, and >>4339149 is an avowed rinfag.
I don't care how we make it happen, for the record, as long as we can get her yan for Shinji.
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>>4339157
I'm more of a Saberfag but yeah
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>>4339158
>>4338747
>well i'm a Rinfag so eh
I guess what you really are is a little indecisive, huh?
I only like yanderes, so I'll gladly pass the both of them to Shirou for his happy future.
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>>4339157
>I don't care how we make it happen, for the record
Save Kerry. That's your best bet to get an Illya route going.
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>>4339161
During this quest, I'm going for Rin, when i read the VN, its Saber, as Saber is only for Shirou
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>>4339163
Reversing gravity might be the most effective way to fly, but people still use airplanes even though they're clunky and expensive. I think we'll have an easier time squeezing a camel through the eye of a needle than bringing the old jerk back to life, but if you want to try it I'll watch how it plays out.
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>>4339170
There are enough Sabers for everyone anon.
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>>4339170
>not taiga
You’re missing out really. Rin is such an obvious choice. I’m down for Illya as well but taiga is just too interesting (and sexy)
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>>4339188
idk anon, I'd be with you but she so clearly carries a torch for Kerry even long after he died, you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Also I think she has a thing for Waver too, they hungout
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Think there's a way to get Arc to take her princess form again?
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>>4339193
Idk I think Arc looks super cool in her big sweater normally.
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>>4339193
>>4339201
Guys, guys. You're both wrong. White Moon Princess Phantasmoon is obviously the best.
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>>4339188
>>4339192
I'm all about trying to get in good with Taiga though I understand if it doesn't work out. Surviving and improvement should be primary goals, but it's nice to dream.
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>>4339206
Yeah I agree. I just want that sweet sweet yakuza wife
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>>4339222
I just want Taiga to keep her ponytail, short hair makes her look way older than she is.
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Looking at Monica as she so peacefully sleeps on the sofa makes you feel like disturbing her wouldn't be right. Seeing how she's gone to sleep on the sofa like that, you doubt that anything you do would really have much effect anyway. It looks like nothing short of dunking a bucket of water on the freelancer's head would awaken her, and you're running on too short a time limit to just spend however long waiting for her to arise from her slumber naturally.

You instead get a pen and a notepad and write Monica a note in order to let the freelancer carry on sleeping. Honestly, hiring Monica to come along with you has already paid off for you incredibly well.

'You were asleep and I didn't want to disturb you. I've decided to go ahead and see if I can fulfill my goal in the city alone. See you soon!

-Shinji.'


You leave the hotel room and begin descending to the streets below. It's daytime right now, so it's not like you have much to fear from Dead Apostles, should they even still be pursuing you, then the sunlight will be a better repellent than anything else. If you recall correctly, only a few of the most powerful of the Dead Apostles, the Dead Apostle Ancestors, had methods to survive the sunlight. Really, if a vampire on the level of an Ancestor were to suddenly decide to begin pursuing you, it's not like Monica would be able to deal with them with as much ease as she dealt with that Constance fellow. If a Dead Apostle Ancestor did show up in the town, your only real hope is that Aoko would deal with it, or that Kouma decides that it would give him a good fight or something.

You really have no idea what it is that gives you the urge to just wander the streets of Misaki Town alone. By all rights, even with the cover of the sun, this town is unbelievably dangerous to just wander around in. Between the fact that it seems to attract the supernatural like nothing else, it's also home to a clan of mixed-bloods who at literally any moment could lose themselves to an inversion impulse and become more akin to the Oni they share their blood with than humans. The thing that does strike you as odd however, is that the prominent Oni Servants, namely Shuten and Ibaraki, seem to be affable enough. Perhaps it's something to do with the mixed-bloods being less in control of their emotions than a true Oni, who are born with the immensely overpowering instincts that the mixed-bloods share yet have their entire lives to get used to such emotions. Or maybe Nasu forgot. Probably wouldn't be the first time.
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Still, you can't just wander about the town without any sort of destination in mind. So you start looking for an electronics shop. You've got the cash on you to easily buy yourself a top of the range phone. Though what counts as 'top of the range' in the 90s to somebody with knowledge of smart-phones is pretty sad. Still, you have at least some sort of destination in mind now, so you begin to weave your way through the streets of Misaki Town, looking for wherever their shopping district is.

Eventually you manage to happen upon a sign that gives you the information you need, and you quickly commit it to memory in case you ever need to find your way around this town again. You arrive at a sleepy looking shopping district, it's apparently not yet late enough in the day for there to be many people buying anything yet, just a few people out buying some groceries.

You get a little distracted as you walk past some of the shops, smiling at some of the adverts in a computer shop advertising the speed of their computers or the graphical quality of their bulky looking monitors. You're so distracted by looking at the displays in the shop that you completely stop looking where you are going, and collide with a smoking woman as she walks out of the convenience store next door to the computer shop.

Despite you walking into the reddish-brown haired woman with quite some speed, she doesn't even budge. As if she hardly even registers the impact. Though it's pretty clear that she does notice you, as her harsh looking eyes glare down at you. You freeze in fear at the woman's glare and terror grips your body at the realization of just who it is you managed to bump into. Touko Aozaki.

The woman casually takes the cigarette out of her mouth in order to speak "Hey... Shouldn't you be in school? Where are your parents, kid?" Despite her harsh glare, her words are actually fairly kind and concerned for your education, apparently.

"I don't really feel like I should have to attend lessons if I'm more intelligent and well-studied than my teachers. It's just a waste of time." You tell Touko the truth as you try to look less terrified of the fierce glare of the woman. You remind yourself that she's not actually angry and it's just her natural disposition to look terrifying when she isn't wearing her glasses. "As for my parents, my mother was killed when I was very young and my father is a rampant alcoholic." you are perfectly honest with Touko. Really, you have to be. This woman isn't as nice as her sister tends to be.
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though, and the Grand ranked Clocktower magus looks a little moved for a moment before quickly going back to her usual look. "I can't really argue against either of those points." She sighs as she draws on her cigarette. "Still, kid. You're going to get into trouble if walk around this town without any adult supervision. These streets are pretty dangerous.

"Yeah, tell me about it! Just last night a vampire showed up and tried to buy me!" You may as well drop some of the act and reveal to Touko your knowledge of magecraft. Limited though it might be.

A flat "What?" is all Touko has to say in response to that. It takes her a few seconds to process what you just said before she eventually asks for confirmation "There's a Dead Apostle in this town?" Touko. You have no idea how many Dead Apostles are going to be in this damn town.

"There was, the woman acting as my guardian dealt with him." You say with something of a confident smile, even though Monica isn't actually with you right now and you are in truth completely defenseless against both Dead Apostles and overpowered magi like Touko.

Touko puts a hand to her chin as a brief flash of insight floods through her. "So... that explains what that surge of energy was last night... I was wondering who could've been responsible for outputting such a ridiculous amount of energy." The woman then looks at you with an appraising eye. "So, you're a magus? And you know who I am, I take it?"

"Of course I know who you are! You're probably the best magus in the whole world!" Where feigning ignorance was the course to take for Aoko, the opposite is almost certainly true of her sister. "And... I'm a prospective magus, really. I have... a lot of magic circuits, but I haven't had them activated yet."

"Hmm? Why is that?" She sounds interested in your story, oddly enough. Yet that doesn't stop her from basically breathing smoke all over you. She's not really considerate with those things. Then again, it's not like she can do lasting damage to herself by smoking thanks to her damn puppets.

"Because of Grandfather." It's only for a moment, but there's a faint flinch as you mention the reason why you have held off on activating your magic circuits. "If he realizes that I actually have usable circuits after all, then I don't know what he'll do to me." Well, you have a pretty good idea and it lays somewhere in between 'murder' and 'worm pit'.

Touko frowns as she takes in the information. Taking a while to think before making a decision "You know what. I don't do this for just about anyone, but I'm going to help you out with that circuit problem you're having." Her voice is happy and reassuring, but her eyes are still vicious. God damn this woman

"R-really?" Your words are practically a gasp of disbelief. It's really incredibly odd to you. You set out to Misaki Town with the intention of getting Aoko's help, and you ended up securing the aid of the wrong sister. Not that you're complaining.
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"Now, you've made it pretty clear that you already know who I am, but I never got a name for you." Touko asks for your name in a fairly roundabout manner.

"I-it's Shinji. Shinji Matou!" You introduce yourself quickly to the top-ranked magus. Not wanting to test her patience

"Matou? You mean one of the families involved in the four time running disaster in Fuyuki city?" Touko brings up her knowledge of the grail war in an offhanded manner, practically dismissing the entire concept. Not that you can blame her. The try and try again way of going about things clearly hasn't netted the Einzbern the Third. Nor will it ever.

"That's the family. Yes." You have no choice but to answer truthfully to Touko. Unlike Aoko, this woman is incredibly discerning and the slightest hint might be enough to give you away.

"Huh. Well, you're a long way from your home city." Touko seems to smile knowingly as she says that, and for a moment you get a little concerned that you've been caught out, but Touko goes no further on that line of thought before she asks you a question. "So, you want to be a magus, and you say you have magic circuits... But do you know your Elemental Affinity? Or you origin, for that matter? Because I might be able to help you with more than just your circuits." The highly knowledgeable woman offers yet more help.

>I don't, can you help me find them out too?
>I do, my element is water and my origin is absorption (lie)
>I don't but I don't want to find out right now.
>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?
>Write-in...
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>>4339312
>>I don't, can you help me find them out too?
>>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?
>>Write-in...
Since she knows we're a magus, let's ask her a few things to sort out the timeline.
>Ask if she knows Shiki Ryougi
>Ask if Dead Apostle Ancestors are real
>Ask if she has a business card we can have.
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>>4339303
>Honestly, hiring Monica to come along with you has already paid off for you incredibly well
>Proceeds to leave her behind and go off on his own.
Man, we are just a bundle of competence.
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>>4339312
Help me find out too
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>>4339312
Okay wander bros, maybe this was a good choice after all
>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?
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>>4339312
>>I don't, can you help me find them out too?
>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?
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>>4339327
I'm happy. Touko is fucking top tier. If we weren't 10, I'd totally say fuck everything, Touko route.
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>>4339312
>I don't, can you help me find them out too?
>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?
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>>4339330
Touko is a fairly easy lady to find so we can still do that eventually, if fucking Rin and Sakura can somehow find her after HF then I think someone like Waver can too
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>>4339312
>>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?
A pleasant surprise.
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>>4339312
>I don't, can you help me find them out too?
>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?
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>>4339327
>>4339318
eh fuck it, changing my vote to support everything this anon is asking for if its possible
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>>4339325
Having her with you does sort of restrict you. In fact, this encounter would've gone very differently if you had taken Monica with you.
Besides, Shinji knows that practically no supernatural activity goes on during the day. He's played the games and he knows the rules. Also, Dead Apostles and sunlight don't mix.
Regardless of all that though, he was being considerate.
It's actually extraordinarily helpful for you that Touko also had a very very poor relationship with her own grandfather on account of him closing off her path to the Root.
She wouldn't have bothered offering to help you before you mentioned that.
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Pretty sure Aoko would've been our babysitter if we went alone on that train but we just had to take someone along.
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>>4339312
See >>4339318
>Ask if she has a business card we can have.
>Ask if she has a business card we can have.
>Ask if she has a business card we can have.
>Ask if she has a business card we can have.
>Ask if she has a business card we can have.
C O N T A C T S
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>>4339312
>I don't, can you help me find them out too?
>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?
Here we go, time to turn into an insane serial killer because we were a lion in a past past life.
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>>4339312
>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?
>Ask if she has a business card we can have.
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>>4339352
Yes, we figured that last thread.
Mice and Men.
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no but seriously, wtf is the point of coming to Misaki town if we're not actually gonna go and do the thing we intended to do in the first place? Feels like we're on a vacation now
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>>4339387
We are doing the thing we intended to do. We wanted Aoko's help with our shit and possibly getting her as a contact.
We got the better sister instead.
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>>4339387
We have two days to find out if Shiki exists. I think we're fine to have a short detour especially if we can unlock our magic.
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>>4339395
I mean, we can ask Touko too about DAAs and if she knows Ryougi. That'd give us a good idea if Tsukihime is happening or not.
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>>4339395
>>4339392
we have today and tomorrow and honestly, I don't think its gonna go so swimmingly if we keep meandering instead of confirming the existence of Shiki, Misaki town is crawling with vampires and demons
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>>4339387
We ARE doing what we intended to do.
Befriending Shikki and Aoko were a means to an end, which was find a way to practice magic without the Big Worm finding out/make powerful connections.
Now I assumed that the means that we would practice magic would be unlocked thanks to Aoko, but it turns out we've got it from Touko instead which is just fine. We've also managed to already meet up with Aoko anyway, which is great and we've established outself into the story of Tsukihime via Sacchin already!
Litterally the only thing we have to do left is meet up with/varrify the exsitance of Shikki and it's mission completed.
I don't see what the problem is here, famo. Everything is going better than fine right now.

>>4339410
Now that we have our means of practicing magic, we don't have to take anymore risks trying to fine Aoko by getting lost or putting ourselves in danger, which means we can stay with Monica from here on out.
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>>4339448
Pretty much this. Add in that Monica is less of a wild card now and it's been a surprisingly lucrative excursion.
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>>4339448
We still should actually meet Shiki, like, he's the protagonist of Tsukihime, how tf are we gonna involve ourselves with him if we don't meet him as soon as possible?
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>>4339465
This is true. This morning was also the first real opportunity to meet him without creeping around a hospital after hours. We've still got (probably) two opportunities this afternoon and tomorrow morning that we can devote to tracking him down if necessary.
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>>4339472
honestly, being an enigmatic stranger that shows up to give him a pep talk like Aoko did solidifies a friendship, we don't even need to do the Satsuki thing of meeting up with him every year.
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>>4339465
>how tf are we gonna involve ourselves with him if we don't meet him as soon as possible?
Through Sacchin. An important side character that is in every route of Tsukihime.
But again I tell you Anon, just hold your horses. Meeting up with/varrifing the existence of Shiki is literally the next thing on our list that is now filled with check marks. There is no need to be so worried.

>>4339480
>we don't even need to do the Satsuki thing of meeting up with him every year.
But we already doing that anyway. For Sacchin's sake.
So really there is zero rush or need for concern. We got this whole thing locked down suprisingly.
We're going to meet up with Monica and then go to Shiki.
If we miss him, we'll meet him soon anyway thanks to Sacchin since we promised to meet with her anyway.
All our bases are covered.
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>>4339486
one more thing though, we still haven't established a hard connect with Aoko. Aoko is by far the most important person in Misaki Town right now. You're right, we can meet Shiki whenever we want because we're friends with Satsuki now and Touko is easy as fuck to find, but Aoko is by far the most powerful, most important and most hard to track person out of all of them.
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>>4339502
I don't know, I think Touko rivals that. Aoko is the fifth and has stronger magic, but Touko is the better magus.
Besides, if we manage to get a hard contact with Touko, I'm sure we'll run into Aoko again.
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>>4339502
>one more thing though, we still haven't established a hard connect with Aoko.
Bro.
She's the fifth magician.
We ain't getting no hard connect with her.
We did however make an impression, and I'm sure she'll be keeping an eye on our development from here on out.
Running into her again couldn't hurt, but honestly I think expecting her to give us a fucking buisness card or something is unlikely.
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>>4339392
>better sister
HERESY
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>>4339512
well goddamn anon can't we at least try again? This quite literally is the last time we can actually plan a meeting with her, everything else is left up to QM being nice
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>>4339515
Sure, why not. We got time to kill anyway.
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>>4339312
>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?

Ill take survival questions over others anyday
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>>4339312
Supporting >>4339318
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>>4339312
>I don't, can you help me find them out too?
>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?
>Ask if she has a business card we can have.
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>>4339502
>Touko
>easy as fuck to find

Yeah, have fun checking all the derelict buildings in Japan thinking you know where Garan no Dou is. When all is said and done, she’s a sealing designate. She’ll only be found if she wants to be found, and I doubt she would want to be found by anyone associated to her sister

I got a feeling the Aozaki sisters choice is a mutually exclusive choice given their relationship. I can’t imagine them being friendly toward ally or even acquaintances of the other.

Of course I could be wrong and I’m just reading soon to be isekai power fantasy trash fanfic quest
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>>4339913
>Of course I could be wrong and I’m just reading soon to be isekai power fantasy trash fanfic quest
Just grind that Charisma to B++ for Secret route.
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OK so obviously asking her to look at your element and origin and asking for a method to keep your circuits hidden is winning.
But I just want to ask how do you feel about including some of the questions suggested in
>>4339318?
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>>4340000
>Ask if she has a business card
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>>4340000
>Ask if she has a business card
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>>4340000
I would also like to say that I really don't think asking our about our element and origin is a good idea.
Like, we already know for sure that our element is something crazy, so what if our origin is something crazy. Something that would instantly out us as an Isekai boy? Something dangerous that would obligate Touko to see us as a threat?
I really think only asking about our circuits and her business card is the best choice.
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>>4340067
You need to chill a little. There aren't people out to kill you around every corner, just some of them.
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>>4338679
>Fu fu fu Shinji-kun let's make an eternal Britain >together
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>>4340108
>There aren't people out to kill you around every corner, just some of them.
Not yet there isn't.
But if info of our potenitally dangerous origin gets out then there might be. Never forget what universe this is. Nasu is a mean bastard and Dead Ends await and you never know where they might come. The only risks we should take should be properly calucalated ones, and in my opinon letting a hard bitch like Touko take a close look at our shit could backfire.
Really hard.
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>>4340177
It’s a risk I’m willing to take
>>4339312
>>I don't, can you help me find them out
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>>4339312
>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?
>Ask if she has a business card we can have

Whatever else we can't become a worm puppet.
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>>4340177
I'm having a hard time thinking up why touko would ever care about our origin to the extent of wanting to kill us. Even if it's something crazy as long as it's not awakened it can do no harm. Risk analysis is not just about the avoidance of risks, but also the informed acceptance of reasonable ones
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"My element and my origin...? I... I don't know them, actually. I wouldn't even know how to find them out right now either. None of the books I've read have given me a method yet." Grimoires are all written in a painfully obtuse manner. Some of them are wrong and some of them deliberately spread misinformation. So while the two terms have come up a lot, you have yet to discern a way to actually discover what it is that you are aligned to. It likely would've been very easy for you to have managed something had you been allowed to truly experiment with your magical energy by opening up your circuits.

"Well of course not. You think that you would be allowed to read any of the actually useful grimoires and books by your family if you weren't the heir?" She reminds you of a mistake that you really deep down knew you were making anyway. Of course you didn't have access to the stuff Zouken would consider valuable. It's really a miracle that you were able to discern so much about magecraft just from the information you gleaned from the books in the Matou library. You do feel like you would've made far more progress if your circuits weren't sealed off from your own usage though.

Touko pulls you into one of the well shaded back alleys of the shopping district before she continues talking to you, looking into your blue eyes as she speaks. "I don't really care for the whole familial aspect of magecraft, personally. If you can't make it on your own, just what good are you? There's no point in relying solely on the strength of others. True strength is something that comes from within, a privilege reserved for those with talent and the willpower to capitalize on that talent. There's nothing more worthless than a magus bragging about the power they were given by somebody else's efforts." She holds up a finger, and at her gesture, a strange image of a wireframe golden wing appears atop her finger. The pattern that makes up the wireframe is geometric, and is actually somewhat similar to what you remember the Tohsaka crest looking like when Rin used it against Shirou! Then this is one of Touko's... "Magic Crests. The great separator that pulls families apart..." Touko looks at the wireframe wing before crushing it in her hand. "Not quite in my case, but you hear stories about second sons and daughters being discarded without care due to their rather restrictive nature in just how many people can inherit them." You don't know if Touko is doing this on purpose because she somehow knows about the Tohsaka and the Matou, or if she's merely proving a point about her ability to steal the Magic Crests of other magi, not relying on power given to her, but instead on power she learned to take from others.
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"My... Sister, is inheriting the Matou crest." And for her sake, you really wish she wasn't. The torturous procedures that she is forced to go through every night begin playing on your mind and causes your voice to grow a little bit quieter. "Can you... is there a way to hide your magic circuits?"

"I figured something like that might be the case, Matou-kun." Despite her fierce eyes, she tries to give you a reassuring smile. It works. Kind of. "Anyway, just stand still for a moment." She then proceeds to put a hand on your forehead and you immediately begin feeling woozy, the foreign magical energy running through your body as Touko does an analysis on you causing you some mild discomfort. Touko's face however is growing really quite incredulous. "These circuits! I've never seen a composition like this before! Not mentioning those thirteen atrophied circuits, which are a shame, but... these are incredible!" Whatever Touko has seen seems to have really excited her. Each individual magic circuit is composed of four individual channels for magical energy!" Four channels? What does she mean? You couldn't really discern anything like that from your own surveyance of your circuits. She seems to regain some control of herself as she looks you in the eyes once again. "Kid. I'm not sure what happened to you, but for whatever reason, you have way too many magic circuits." Then her tone turns grim. "In fact, you have so many magical circuits that attempting to use them all at once would cause your body to be incinerated. Human bodies just weren't made to handle that sort of energy being pumped through them." Then was your previous appraisal of your own abilities incorrect? You know you had a lot of circuits, but you shouldn't have ever been under threat of death simply for trying to use them all at once. "Matou-kun. Listen closely. To a layman, it would appear as if you only have eighty circuits, even that is such a vast number of circuits that you would be receiving marriage requests from practically every family looking for a good candidate to marry their daughters for the sake of eugenics." You blush a little at her words, even for somebody with as many years of life experience as you, it's awkward for somebody to tell you to expect to receive marriage requests. "But, that's not quite true at all. It might appear that you have eighty two circuits, but in truth it's more like you have about three hundred of the damn things." Touko begins to laugh aloud. "Three hundred! How do you feel about your blue-blood magic circuits now, Lorelei?!" She yells to nobody in particular. It's not like the Queen of the Clocktower could actually hear her from here... You hope. You're just glad that Touko isn't the sort to get jealous of over people for having more magic circuits than her. Well, with all the crests she's stolen she probably still theoretically has more magic circuits available to her anyway.

Status Updated.
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Touko looks at you like she's looking at some sort of puzzle now. The harsh glare from her eyes is gone and replaced entirely by a desire to solve a mystery. The mystery of... well, you, you suppose. "Of course, the problem of you being incinerated by your own circuits does remain quite the problem, and you have so many that even activating them in the first place is going to be a problem. If you had attempted to do so alone, you... probably would've burned up without a trace." You pale at her words. "So it's a good thing you bumped into me, isn't it? You get to enjoy not exploding, and I get to enjoy the knowledge that the Lorelei aren't the top dogs when it comes to circuits anymore!"

"W-what... What about my element and origin, miss?" You try to move the topic away from your monumental number of apparently natural magic circuits. If what Touko is saying is true, then just about any magus would want to use you for their own horrible plans... Hopefully not Touko, though. You're a little scared of the woman just because she's a magus who actually takes magecraft seriously, she's not got a completely soft heart like Rin and she's certainly not as kind as Aoko. Honestly, between your unique circuits that can kill you with their output and your element that you already know is enough to make a Dead Apostle want to 'research' you, you're a little worried to find out what sort of origin you have too. Your element is hopefully just something to do with imaginary numbers like Sakura, or maybe even an Average One like Rin. That would probably cause that reaction, wouldn't it?

"Let me just take a look closer then, Matou-kun, it might feel a little bit uncomfortable..." She's not kidding, she increases the flow of her magical energy into your body, though she takes care not to force your circuits open. A good thing too, Shirou had only about 20 circuits of low quality, even he was put through great agony upon having them opened. You can't even begin to imagine the pain you will experience upon the opening of your own. Shirou even had the benefit of practically setting his spine alight every night for years in order to raise his own tolerance for pain too, yet that didn't actually appear to help him at all. "Here we go..." Touko freezes up in complete shock this time. If her previous reaction to your circuit quantity was ranked at a three out of ten, then this would be a nine out of ten. The woman looks almost completely dumbfounded and for some reason actually backs away from you. "Matou-kun. Tell me the truth now. You aren't a human at all, are you?" Her shock has vanished now, and her scowl has begun to feel more and more genuine.
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"W-why do you say that?" You can't hide your shock at the accusation by Touko. She's practically dead on the money, well mostly. You're a human... or at least you think your other life was the life of a human, it's pretty hard to tell, being unable to remember any names or faces except those that might have relevance to this world.

Touko eyes you dangerous "Because of your element and your origin. It's like the Root just didn't know what to do with you. Not only do you have three conflicting origins, but your elemental affinity isn't something that ought to be at all possible. I don't know just what you are, whether you're some special form of incarnated elemental or some other natural phenomenom, but I'm certain that you are not a human." She points a finger at you and takes an accusatory tone. "An Elemental Affinity of 'Truth'? An Origin of Destruction, Change and of Creation? Those circuits? You're basically every magus' dream. I've got to admit, even I'm considering the merits of dissecting you." You completely freeze up at Touko's words. "...But" She continues. "I might just keep tabs on you instead. That is if you told me just what exactly you are, Matou-kun." Your mind races at the danger you now find yourself in and you find yourself drowning in panic. Is this truly how you're going to end up dying? You haven't even saved anyone yet!

Status Updated.

But then the woman seems to simply laugh a little and the bloodlust recedes from her face as she sees the absolute terror that her . "Pfft. Whatever you really are, you're at the least still a human when it comes to emotion. That deer caught in head-lights look in your eyes was genuine terror, Matou-kun." Her suddenly ambivalent voice doesn't do much to help your quivering legs

"W-what?" You ask the woman, your voice still horribly shaky after her sudden threatening words. "Are you... Are you still going to kill me then?" You feel like a fool for asking, but you at least want to know where you stand with the terrifying woman. You were right to fear Touko Aozaki. This woman was way too dangerous for you to so casually approach!
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"Not unless you want me to." The woman draws on her cigarette once again. Her offer to kill you sounds actually genuine, and not exactly one that you have any intention of taking her up on that. "My theory for what has likely happened to you, Matou-kun, is that a being from beyond the veil of our reality has attempted to invade your body in order to achieve whatever incomprehensible goal it is after." She then looks closely into your eyes. "Perhaps you had begun to expect that something like this was the case by yourself." It's actually pretty heart-stopping that Touko's theory as to the truth of your existence is so accurate. "And while I do still want to know more about you, I'm not going to kill you just for the sake of researching you... It would be far better if I were to keep you alive." Touko adds on at the end of her reassuring statement that makes it far far less comforting to hear. "I can't really talk much on what the implications of your Origin actually is, Destruction is fundamentally incompatible with Creation and Change, after all, so we'll leave that aside for now and just talk about the bizarre element of yours." Honestly, you have no idea what to expect from a triple origin either. The root really didn't know what it was doing, did it? "Truth, Matou-kun, is an element that until just now, I had no idea was even possible. It represents exactly what you might expect it to. Truth is... Well it's a element that represents that which is possible and rejects that which is impossible. In a way, it's an element that contradicts itself by it's very existence. It's an element that could be manifested to reject the impossible as a sword to cut through even that which cannot be cut, yet that same sword would be unable to slice through even a sheet of mundane paper" That's... quite a mind-boggling explanation she has there. "Of course, that's just one of the applications I can think of for such a strange element. You could take the opposite approach and have it take the form of that which is possible instead of having it take a form to deny that which is not. In which case, that same sword would simply take the form of a sword able to cut through whatever it is that you believe a sword is capable of cutting through, do you understand?"

"I... I think I do." You're a little frazzled by all of this, honestly. After everything that has already come to pass in this conversation, you don't even know what to think anymore.

"Don't worry if you don't get it just yet, I can hardly comprehend the concept myself, either. But about those magic circuits of yours. It'll probably take a day or two for me to safely activate all of your circuits, and then I can give you a Mystic Code to absorb all of the ambient mana your body produces." Damn it! Two days? You don't have the time for that, you promised Sakura! Touko pauses for a moment as she seems to finally decide upon something "I was actually wondering something else, too."
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"What's that?" You brace yourself for the worst.

"How would you like to be my apprentice for a while?" She gives you a smile once again. Oh no. It's worse than you thought.

>Silently nod and accept the offer from the woman.
>Happily accept the offer from the terrifying woman.
>Decline the offer, tell her you can't leave your sister.
>Run away. Run away as fast as you can.
>Write-in...
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>>4340297
Great update. No idea what to vote for.
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>>4340297
>Decline the offer, tell her you can't leave your sister.
I can't do Sakura dirty like that, (You) would be betraying her and betraying everyone else back in Fuyuki by going with Touko. You'd lose the plot if you go out seeking power for your own sake instead of being there for the people that need you. This is a no brainer for me
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>>4340297
>Forgot to close my formatting.
Darn.
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>>4340297
>Decline the offer, tell her you can't leave your sister.
Tell her that we can't leave our sister alone in what are the hands of a psychopathic worm grandfather. Basically tell her what's the deal with Zouken.
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>>4340297
>Decline the offer, tell her you can't leave your sister.
Haha please don’t hurt us haha
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I be damned. Hundreds of magic circuits+multiple contradictory origins? Damn.

>>4340297
>Silently nod and accept the offer from the woman.
>Also mention the need to check on little sister
>>4340316
I see what you mean there, but I feel quite the opposite. We can't help Sakura much in our current state anyways. Seeking power is the way to go to actually save Sakura and everyone else from Zouken/the grail war.
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>>4340290
>the Lorelei aren't
Isn't that the Barthomeloi? Lorelei is just her personal name, isn't it?
>>4340297
>Decline the offer, tell her you can't leave your sister.
No can do, too much business back home.
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>>4340297
>Silently nod and accept the offer from the woman.
She can teach us magic so we can actually do something about Zouken. If we go back now there is nothing we can do.
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>>4340297
If only we can plan a "Vacation" to the beach or mountain with Sakura and use it as an excuse to learn from Touko
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>>4340327
Whoops!
Yeah I meant the Barthomeloi there.
I probably just forgot to fix it after changing it from Touko mentioning her by name again.
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>>4340326
There are different ways to help, not all of them are brute strength and power. You can come back as the biggest swinging dick of the Magus world but that doesn't take away the fact that you straight up abandoned Sakura, you pretty much just left the potential friends to follow their canon fate without your intervention and you've made it so you yourself are the only one who can solve everything by your lonesome. I'd rather be weak but surrounded by allies than strong but all alone and have given up on everyone else. Not worth it at all, Sakura, Shirou, Kerry, Illya and Rin need (You) now, not some stronger you in the future.
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>a chance to apprentice under Touko
Oh fuck I don't even understand any of this and I want it so bad.
It also flies in the face of every goal so far, including survival. Zouken might ignore Shinji for a week or so, but getting plucked up will not. Unless we can make Zouken think it's a good idea, somehow, without revealing much of anything.

It didn't work for Shinji in canon but maybe Zouken would be open to the idea of laying groundwork for a power marriage.
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>>4340338
But we can't help Sakura, Kerry and Illya as we are right now without power.
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>>4340347
You do realise that we still have time to acquire said power, right?
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>>4340347
We can help Sakura by being there. She needs a friendly face, not to be alone with the monsters, and the unkindest cut of all would be to abandon her now after we've fostered a dependence on us in her.
Nobody can help Kerry. He's been a broken man since 1994, when all his dreams burned up in the Fuyuki fire. The curse is the cause of his death, but the real reason for him dying is that death of the soul that came when he saw his reason for living revealed as impossible and hypocritical.
Illya can't be saved without the Third Magic, and the only way to get that is in the grail war. That's still quite a while off.
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>>4340297
Write in. Tell her we can't abandon our sister. We need Touko to open our circuits though. We can afford another 2 days with Monica. Also don't think she ever said if we could hide our circuits.
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>>4340355
I'll amend that. Nobody can help Kerry except Shirou. The peace of giving his dreams over to a successor did give him the best end to his life that can be hoped for, I think.
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>>4340360
She said she could give you a mystic code that would do the trick, basically.
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>>4340363
Oops sorry.
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Either way, I just think its too early to go off on our own now, theres still a lot to do in Fuyuki, we still need to make sure Shirou can handle his own instead of being dead weight in the HGW, we still need to get Rin on our side so we have an ally to rely on and I will not give up on Kerry until the day he dies and even then I will give him a deathbed promise and save Illya for him
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>Silently nod and accept the offer from the woman.
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>Quantity: A+ (EX)
>Composition: Quadruple channeled magic circuits, a never before seen unprecedented mutation(?). High output is lethal to Shinji.
>Elemental Affinity: (Truth)
>Origin: (Destruction, Change, Creation)
So not only will we likely get mindbroken if we get a reality marble, we also might straight up combust if we try too hard. Neat.
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>>4340297
>Decline the offer, tell her you can't leave your sister.
Tough choice, but this feels more consistent to me.
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>>4340365
Fuck Kerry on God
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Man, what an instresting turn of events!
The Magic Circuits that Shinji thought would be gamebreaking are actually a huge liability, that's a great way to turn that roll on it's head dude.
I'm suprised that our Origin isn't simply destruction, after that vote we did last thead, but we'll see where that goes!
And Touko is fucking great! I feel semi foolished for thinking she'd just up and kill us were we stood, but the fact that she's casually thinking on it makes me feel a bit better about it.
Very very exciting stuff!
Anyway.

>>4340297
>>4340321
This is the best option I feel. The fact we haven't just straight out told her about what a fucker Zouken is already is suprising to me.
I doubt she'll try to deal with him herself, but it should make our case for why we would turn down this opportunity.
I'm totally willing to stay those extra days to get that Mystic Code though.
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>>4340297
>Tell her you are willing to be her apprentice and fully cooperate with her for mutual benefits but you have really big worm problem back at Fuyuki which will require some sort of solution
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>>4340297
>>Decline the offer, tell her you can't leave your sister.

Then tell her about Grampa worm
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>>4340297
>>Silently nod and accept the offer from the woman.
We can’t save Sakura by just being there. We can’t save anyone just by existing. We need to use what we have been given. We have all these magic circuits. Why not learn to use them?
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>>4340297
>Decline the offer, tell her you can't leave your sister.
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>>4340388
>>4340386
Changing to tell her about worm grandpa. I think that’s at least something she should know. Right now we are basically powerless
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>>4340360
I'd switch to this if others did as well, but as-is I want to make sure simply joining her doesn't win.
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>>4340297
>Tell her about your situation and about Sakura's. Say that her offer is not that tempting to take due to our Situation

Is this fine?
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>>4340297
>>4340395
Adding worm statement to my vote.
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>>4340297
After consideration:
>Write in
It's a once in a lifetime opportunity. Agree to a one-two year apprenticeship as long as she can help come up with a reasonable story to tell to the family as to why the dead end is suddenly attracting the attention of a Magus.

Shinji's 10, so the Grail War is still five years and change(?) off. At some point he's going to be used against Sakura, directly or otherwise. The more time there is to work to undo that damage, the better.

Even if Shinji is only half-trained by that point, he will still probably serve as a better instructor to Shirou if he knows what he's talking about. This also opens up another 3-4 years at home to continue consolidating power.

Any magus who takes Shinji on after this will probably have less knowledge. Monica might be the best bet, but even that would probably involve leaving home and getting involved in some dangerous wetwork.
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>>4340409
>five years and change?
Shinji is 18 during the Holy Grail War as far as I remember, so we should have 8 years. It's 1996, the war is in 2004.
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>>4340416
If so, all the more reason. As much as I don't like leaving Sakura behind for any period, her dependence is rooted in the belief that Shinji is strong and follows through on what he says.
In order to save her, it's going to be necessary to take steps to live up to her idealized brother. Talking a big game and getting roasted is going to do far more damage than leaving her alone, only to come back and fulfill her expectations.
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>>4340426
Sakura fell in love with Shirou's dumbass, she clearly falls for whoever shows her long term affection and normalcy
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I think we should take the offer to mentor under Touko for a bit, but not before Sakura's able to rely on someone, like for example Shirou.
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>>4340426
Remember that the thing that made her fall in love with Shirou was him repeatedly attempting to do something he was obviously incapable of and failing pathetically. I think talking a big game and getting roasted might actually be a fetish of hers.
That said, I am on the fence about your idea of a brief apprenticeship, though I'd want to insist it be for only 1 year at most. We might even get the chance to make contact with the Einzberns and take a step toward my fondest dream.
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>>4340429
Yes, but there's another component because this is a(n adopted) familial relationship. Shinji has already hinted he has an idea that something is wrong and set expectations that it's his role as a brother to protect her. Shinji has also, unintentionally, pointed Sakura towards believing that he's capable of protecting others. At some point she's going to start asking the question of why he isn't helping her, first mentally, and then directly.

>>4340434
Roasted in this case probably refers to getting wormed, because an untrained Shinji isn't going to make it, no matter how many buddies he has.
But sure, setting terms for the apprenticeship is absolutely essential. Any digging into Shinji's history will show that this is about within expectations, he's a prodigy and feels like he has some weight to throw around.
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>>4340297
>Silently nod and accept the offer from the woman.

Do mention the Sakura situation. I doubt she would be without sympathy but damn if this is not just too valuable a chance.
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Hey fellas, isn’t Ea the “sword of truth” or something? This element seems like a big deal.
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>>4340451
In the VN its title is "Star of Creation that Split Heaven and Earth, Enuma Elish". That might just be the name of the attack, in which case Ea itself doesn't have an NP page in Gilgamesh's status screen. It also doesn't show up in the weapon list, presumably because trying to understand its composition gives Shirou a migraine. I can't remember having heard it called the sword of truth.
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>>4340460
Gilgamesh calls it a sword that "Knows the Truth" of the World.
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>>4340297
Might as well take a chance. I'll change my vote to supporting >>4340409 with this phrasing.
>Write-in: Agree to a one-year apprenticeship as long as she can help come up with a reasonable story to tell the family as to why Shinji is attracting the attention of a magus and help us keep tabs on Sakura while we're gone.
Is that agreeable to you, RGzfn8sD? If our votes aren't counted for the same thing, it's kind of pointless.
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>>4340469
Guess it's been too long since I played through FSN, I forgot the specifics of how he described it.
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>>4340451
Cool we're EA itself. Gilgamesh claims that the sword "knows the truth" of the World where it once existed, and by using its power, it is able to bestow its knowledge upon others. As it is "The Sword That Cut the World Apart", he calls it “something that knows the hellish planet before genesis”, the planet's primordial form before heaven and earth were split, where it was a land filled with naught but lava and gas and a hell of scorching heat and intense cold. Referring to it as hell,
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>>4340471
I think QM should tally all the votes and give people an opportunity to change their vote for the write ins. This is a potentially critical decision.
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>>4340478
Gilgamesh states that it is the source of all legends of the land of the dead. The memory of the time before the existence of the planet, a place and time when organic existence had been impossible, is something possessed by all organisms, but it is no longer found in the imaginations or spoken memories of people. It is the first memory of life that is a genetically inherent and repressed knowledge which can only be shown to those looking upon the sword
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>>4340478
>>4340482
Alright, I really don't remember this speech, and I feel like I would if it were part of his gloating over his power in the fate route. When did he say all this? Is it part Strange Fake's overblown weirdness, or have I just forgotten that much of the VN's dialogue?
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>>4340479
That would make sense, what we have here is a mess.
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>>4340486
yeah I don't even know how to count this shit right now
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>>4340484
Wiki. I've begun enjoying myself. Stand back, Master. I speak of genesis. The elements amalgamate, coalesce, and bring forth the star that weaves all of creation. Pay homage in death. Enuma Elish!
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>>4340493
Grinding at the laws of space with its power, it creates a rip in space that extends from not only the earth but also to the sky and atmosphere. It is a crack that distorts space to pierce the very nature of the World itself to show the "Truth."
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>>4340297
>>Silently nod and accept the offer from the woman.
>>Write-in...
Tell her we have to protect our sister. At this point, let's see if we can get her to move to Fuyuki for our apprenticeship.
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>>4340496
Last part but this is fascinating. Performing the miracle of genesis, something that reveals creation - the beginning of everything, the attack opens an abyss capable of crushing anything. The center of the storm is not calm, but rather a hole to hell itself that returns all that enters its realm to the nothingness from which it originated
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>Don't leave Sakura
>>4340316
>>4340321
>>4340324
>>4340393

>Don't leave Sakura and tell Toukou about Zouken
>>4340386
>>4340395
>>4340372

>Nod and accept but also mention your little sister
>>4340326
>>4340449
>>4340497

>Silently nod and accept
>>4340328
>>4340366
>>4340449

>Say you can't abandon Sakura and then ask her to open your circuits
>>4340360

>Tell her you are willing to be her apprentice if she helps with Sakura
>>4340379

>Tell her about your situation as well as Sakura's and say it's not even tempting
>>4340399

>Agree to a 1 year apprenticeship
>>4340409
>>4340471

I have no idea if I missed or miscounted any votes but don't be afraid to mention if I have, this vote is a little complicated.
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Touko is a good mix of orthodox and unorthodox magus in that she has orthodox foundation from time spent in Magus Association, while is brilliant enough of a Magus to do all weird shit like her crests shenanigans

Aoko might surpass her in raw power, but it’s no brainer on who is the better mentor.

Given Shinji’s potential, pretty sure we’d have the power to save Sakura from Zouken if we apprentice under her, the problem is basically abandoning her for the next few years is likely going to break her psyche faster for Zouken to just turn her into Dark Sakura way ahead of schedule, so unless we can do something to make Sakura believe that we will return for her, taking Touko’s offer as is is a non starter if you still want to save Sakura
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>>4340297
>Silently nod and accept the offer from the woman.
We should explain why to Sakura before we leave though.
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>>4340297
I will switch to supporting >>4340409
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>>4340504
You did.

>>4340449 is a Accept and Mention Sister vote, tying it up.
>>4340321 is a don't leave Sakura and tell Tokou about Zouken vote.
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>>4340504
I feel like you should combine some of these votes if we have a tie breaker
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>>4340504
>>4340409
Switching/supporting on the basis we can first talk with Sakura.
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>>4340393
>>4340504
>Don't leave Sakura and tell Toukou about Zouken
Changing vote.
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>>4340513
Honestly, this might be best. It feels like general consensus is to accept some sort of apprenticeship with her, but tell her about Sakura and Zouken and see if she can deal with that.

Honestly, if she is willing to move to Fuyuki, that solves all our problems.
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>>4340515
>>4340504
>>4340316
Changing my vote
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>>4340516
i think WhatIsAQM should just make either a leave or stay vote cause this is a clusterfuck
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>>4340520
It really is. People changing their vote while we're trying to sort it out doesn't help either.
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>>4340520
I'm fine with that.
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>>4340524
people are changing their votes for strategy, its kind of a big deal to leave or stay so better to jump on the bandwagon that gets you the one you want the most
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>>4340527
Yeah, but this kind of offer is the once in a lifetime thing. We won't find a better teacher then Tokou.
So declining her on the basis of staying with the anchor is dumb. We should be accepting and seeing if she is either willing to move to Fuyuki or will do something about Zouken.
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>>4340530
That's why we got people to tell her that we can't go because Zouken and Sakura
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>>4340533
But those people are declining being her apprentice. She'll take it as you don't want to be instead of, we do want to be but..
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>Yeah, but this kind of offer is the once in a lifetime thing.
I mean, she did say she was gonna keep an eye on us so it's not like we won't ever see her again.
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>>4340533
>>4340530
Well, alternatively we can just request QM write out her response to the whole Zouken/Sakura thing and THEN have a vote to decide what to do. We have way too many what ifs with the information currently available and I think that clarification will help most of us decide on the vote.
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>>4340534
idk it sounds more like "I can't because I can't leave my precious little sister alone with our worm Grandpa" it sounds more like we would go if not for these circumstances

>>4340538
agreed, this really is a big change
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>>4340504
>Nod and accept but also mention your little sister
Changing my vote from >>4340324 to this. Having her as a mentor would be amazing but we gotta try helping Sakura somehow.
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>>4340538
I suppose you could do that.
If there's enough support for this, that's what I'll do.
This has been quite a chaotic vote
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>>4340538
>>4340565
I'm fine with that
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>>4340565
Yeah that would be good.
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>>4340565
i am too, too much going on and it really should just be relegated to stay or leave
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>>4340565
It seems like most of us agree that she should be made to understand our situation, whether that's as a reason for refusing or a proviso to accepting, so that's probably the way to go.
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>>4340565
Also supporting >>4340538
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>>4340565
Yes please
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>>4340565
I'm fine with that.
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>>4340574
Yeah, that's a given. We can sort the votes based on leave vs stay to simplify things
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>>4340538
Yes, fine with that
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>>4340565
yes
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Wanderchads, I kneel, you truly made the smart choice
Also I'm pretty sure that we could just wash the entire grail war by ourselves if we develop our magic right, we're basically a walking ea
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>>4340617
there no fun in that though. wheres the drama?
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>>4340617
Sure, but we'd probably explode in the process. My reading of our talents is that they're our version of the Archer arm in Heaven's Feel. We can potentially use them to overcome any obstacle, but not without taking some major damage in the process.
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>>4340619
I'd imagine our capabillities would be capped by how many circuits it would take to blow up a servant, we always run the risk of killing ourselves if we use too many
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>>4340617
>Wander was the right choice
I still maintain we'd be better off with Aoko than the reject sister, but this is alright.
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>>4340626
I still wanna find Aoko
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>>4340617
>Also I'm pretty sure that we could just wash the entire grail war by ourselves if we develop our magic right
That would be pretty lame, not gonna lie, but you aren't wrong
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>>4340626
Why are fatefags so aggressive with their waifu wars? Even evafags don't get this meam spirited
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>>4340626
Aoko isn't as good a magus as Touko. As a teacher, she is far superior.
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>>4340632
>Even evafags don't get this meam spirited
This is a straight up falsehood anon
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>>4340632
Oh, this isn't a waifu thing. Either of the Aozaki siblings is a hard pass for me when it comes to romance. I just think it's better to cultivate a contact with the Fifth than her sister, and it's a fact that Touko was rejected by the previous Fifth as an inheritor.
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>>4340537
There's a world of difference between, 'you're interesting; I'm going to keep an eye on your development' and 'you're interesting and I want to help you develop further'.
>>4340617
I was a little ambivalent about pissing the day away, but I acknowledge their superior vision. Truly they see further than we.

As far as abandoning Sakura, that's why a set time limit would work. Shinji is going to have to explain this to the family somehow, preferably before up and vanishing, and setting an end date makes that less damaging. And Shinji is kind of a prodigy; as long as he focuses on theory and a little practice, he can probably develop and cultivate his own magic in a more hands-off environment.
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>>4340565
thats fine
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Alright but even beyond Sakura, I don't wanna abandon Shirou, I wanna cultivate his strength more than I want to cultivate our own
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>>4340646
He'll be fine on his own, anon. He wins the war with no help from Shinji.
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>>4340643
Sure. But 'you're interesting; I'm going to keep an eye on your development' can always lead to 'you're interesting and I want to help you develop further'.
There is a chance that she might lose intrest, but given the shit we plan to get up to, I'm sure we'll be in the back of her mind for years to come.
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>>4340648
Fuck that, I want him to be our partner in crime and have him develop along with us
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>>4340646
Shirou won't suck your dick anon, he's not gay
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>>4340646
Second. Let's develop Shirou alongside us. We will truly be Justice Buddies and can take him on Stupid Adventures alongside us.
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>>4340650
It's true, and then you run into the same issue of leaving Sakura alone, only with less time on the clock to help get her back into a reasonable mindset.
There is not going to be a 'good' way to get training as a magus. It's either going to require Shinji to leave, or to put him at risk of revealing his plethora of circuits to Zouken, and maybe putting his master at risk as well.
>>4340651
>and have him develop along with us
Not ragging on you but how? Who's going to be the teacher?
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>>4340667
Kerry is still alive, if he doesn't live, then we switch to Rin who should be good enough after 5 years of training
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We should be able to create spells that allow us to use the full extent of our magic circuts without damaging our self with the Truth element.
My first idea is creating a fluid or suit that rejects the impossibility of our combustion.
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>>4340667
>and maybe putting his master at risk as well.
This is one of the reasons I want to jump on Touko's offer. If the worm goes after her, she will be fine. She'd probably stick him in her rape box.

>Who's going to be the teacher?
I'm willing to teach him, otherwise we can bring him to Touko. I'm sure she'd be interested in a boy with "Sword" as his origin and element.
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>>4340673
Rejecting the impossibility of our surviving the combustion rather.
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>>4340678
...wouldn't that just guarantee we die?
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>>4340675
Another reason I want to jump on this offer, is that we are guaranteed to be a sealing designation with what she just told us about our origin and element. Any other potential teacher is more likely to give us up to the MA, especially if they're magus at Touko's tier.
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I honest to God love how we became TOO strong, its a nice little call back to Archer's arm
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>>4340646
Why do you fucks like shirou so much?
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>>4340693
how the fuck do you not like Shirou?
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>>4340687
Yeah, it's pretty based.
It's a fun way of keeping things from getting too easy thanks to that god roll we got.
Hell, being this weirdly powerful is just as much of a disadvantage as it is a huge boon at this point.
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>>4340694
Bc he's a insufferable faggot like you. Fuck this justice buddy bullshit.
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>>4340693
Because for all his simple autism, Shirou is a bro. We will be Truth and Justice, the core of the Justice Buddies.
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>>4340693
I'll never understand it myself, but that seems to be the way it is.
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>>4340700
Fuck you justice buddies forever
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>>4340700
Go back to Fate Awakening man, you don't have to shit up the thread with stupid shit.
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>>4340711
Yeah just like all the Kerry, illya and other bullshit.
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>>4340715
I'd say you're worse since you're self aware enough to know how much of an ass you're being. I'll take someone that's autistically passionate about something over some anon's incoherient impotent rage.
Can you at least explain why you're so agasint the guy, or is the fact that he's annoying really all it takes for you to be so bothered?
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>>4340735
We can be friends with him and all that but you keep trying to make this all about him. We first and foremost have ourselves to worry about then our sister. We already know he'll be OK. Almost everything we've thought is how to save sakura from future torment.
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>>4340682
Denying an impossibility makes it possible.
If we deny the impossibility that we'd survive our magic circuits at full throttle, we become capable of doing so.
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>>4340737
Nobody's trying to make this just about Shirou except people like you who come in here and whine about it.
Everything we've been doing has been focusing on Shinji getting stronger or Sakura. Hell, we're literally considering to deny being the apprentice of the best magus we could have as our master because people want to stay near Sakura.
But just because people go "Hey, let's be friends with Shirou and help him out too." we get faggots like you who shit up the thread and screech about it.
Fuck off back to Fate Awakening. It's more your speed, you can jerk off about how much you hate Shirou there.
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>>4340737
>We first and foremost have ourselves to worry about then our sister. We already know he'll be OK. Almost everything we've thought is how to save sakura from future torment.
You literally aren't wrong.
I honestly think you're falling for a meme here.
People aren't trying to make everything about Shirou, people are just excited about the idea of being pals with him is all. On it's face there isn't anything wrong with wanting to make sure Shirou is strong so he can effectively help us with our own goals and there's nothing wrong with trying to make sure he also get's his good ending. Try to take things a little less seriously, when all is said and done level heads will win out.
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>>4340745
>Level heads have success in the nasuverse.
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>>4340745
I just don't want to see him get over the top priority. Right now we have a huge choice and we should deal with this first then be a buddy comedy.
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>>4340671
Kerry might be a possibility, but still requires getting into the good graces of someone who can save his keister. Rin might cause conflict with Sakura, and she might reject working with Shinji on principle.
>>4340675
I don't know if she would be a good master for Shirou, but it's better than none. And Shinji could potentially be a good teacher himself, as long as he gets the underpinnings.
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>>4340754
Yeah, I have no idea either. I'm just trying to do the best I can with the restrictions we have.
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>>4340754
I feel like some convincing could work with Kerry, especially if we drop some knowledge and make some promises. Also I think its absurd that Rin would reject Shinji on principle, yeah Shinji's a Matou but he's also a child who had nothing to do with taking Sakura away. If anything, Sakura can be a bargaining chip to get closer to her by making them both spend time with each other, which gets her in our good graces and proves that we're on her side, making her owe us one.
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>>4340762
We're also rich, which means we can use that as a bargaining chip with Rin if we have to. Especially if we do the standard time travel/isekai shenanigans and invent twitter or something.
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>>4340748
Level heads and careful thinking have gotten us pretty far so far, we should be fine.

>>4340751
That's valid, but people will shitpost about waifus and buddy comedies anytime. Yah can't stop em.
Best you can do is try to make your point of view clear in a reasonable manner and ignore the more blantantly unreasonable takes you see posted.
Again, you aren't wrong. But nobody, not even the people that would normally agree with you, likes shitting on Shirou for next to no reason. Folks go to Awaking for that.
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>>4340759
Oh man, I like that outfit. We should pick up smoking from Touko and wear that as an adult.
The kamen rider look isn't bad for Shirou either.
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I just realized.

If Sakura is fonder of Shinji than Shirou, then Rin wouldn’t really feel the guilt of him getting caught in crossfire and killed by Lancer enough to use her gem to repair his heart.

Granted that events of canon is probably derailed anyway, but just another reminder that any action taken to fix one thing would easily fuck up another
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>>4340762
It's not just that Shinji is a Matou, it's that Sakura feels -something- towards Shinji and is pretty clear about it, either fraternal or romantic. Bringing Rin in on that can make the entire situation awkward for one or both of them, even if the decision is made to not pursue either of them (romantically).
It's not a stretch to say that Shinji magnifies what could be read as a failure on Rin's part. There's a lot of conflicting emotions tied up in there and Shinji would be dropped in the middle by deferring to Sakura's 'worse' sibling.

It's got potential to be a good path, but there's a lot of unsaid things tied up in it.
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>>4340776
I don't think Sakura had anything to do with Rin saving Shirou's life.
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Do not abandon Sakura!

I've been mostly lurking since this whole quest started but please do not abandon Sakura.
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>>4340779
Sakura is already too attached, she straight up ignored Shirou when you got her to introduce herself. Making her establish more connections beyond (You) is much more healthy for her and having Rin and Sakura spend time together now instead of when they're hormonally unstable teenagers with magic powers will bring WAY less conflict. Better to start these things now than to let them boil over.
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>>4340711
>>4340743
>>4340768
Randomly shitting on another quest that you don't seem to have read is no better than randomly shitting on one of the characters in this one.
That aside, the guy who said "I wanna cultivate his strength more than I want to cultivate our own" about Shirou was definitely making him the top priority. Saying nobody is doing that is just a lie.
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>>4340793
Yes she did, Rin said Sakura would be sad if Shirou died (at that point, she was basically his live in girlfriend) but her feelings probably played an unspoken role in it
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>>4340794
fucking vote then anon, you're probably the tie breaker
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>>4340779
Most of animosity Rin has toward Shinji is because he’s a notorious womanizer who constantly make pass on her and treat Sakura like shit, even before accounting for the fact that he’s a talentless squib

If this Shinji ended up being an honor student that takes really good care of her imouto, then all she’d feel is more or less doubt for her father’s decision and resentment in that how the 4th more or less fucked her family. Hell she’d probably loses half the motivation of participating in the 5th war knowing that she’d have to fight Sakura

Rin’s motivation for 5th is literally just:
1. Make dad proud
2. Win

So we’ll likely have a Rin that is not motivated to do 5th, or be a magus at this point. Maybe thinking like at least she has being the Tohsaka heir over Shinji, who seem to have everything she wanted. Funny how things are reversed in this possible timeline.
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>>4340297 #
>Silently nod and accept the offer from the woman.
>Also mention the need to check on little sister
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>>4340812
>Most of animosity Rin has toward Shinji is because he’s a notorious womanizer
we fucked up already
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>>4340816
>who constantly make pass on her and treat Sakura like shit, even before accounting for the fact that he’s a talentless squib
Not completely tho
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>>4340800
You've got the right of it as far as Sakura's feelings are concerned, and I agree she should get some additional social connections, although they might be used against her. But there's still the issue where Rin is the 'bad' sibling and Shinji getting training from her.

By the standards Shinji has set, Rin already failed in her role as a sister because she wasn't willing to try to protect or help Sakura. If Shinji defers to Rin for training, that can indicate two things: (1) that Shinji is seeking guidance from a lesser, or (2) that Rin should have been capable and chose to do nothing. Neither of those are good for Sakura's ego.

As you say, if they can work out these sisterly issues at a younger age then potentially most of these problems can be mitigated. But the question is, is there enough time to do that and get magus training done?

>>4340812
Then there's this whole dynamic. Fug.
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>>4340816
No we’re just hot
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>>4340801
>Randomly shitting on another quest that you don't seem to have read is no better than randomly shitting on one of the characters in this one.
Fair enough, I'll hold that.
Regardless, if you read Awakening like I have, you'd know why thinking the appearent Shirou hater would be from over there.
I may be an ass for making that assumtion, but it's a fair assumtion to make. Especially given recent events.
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>>4340826
Sure, it's possible. I can see why you'd think it's likely, even. It's also true that there's been a massive divide in that quest's players about Shirou for a long time, with a lot of people wanting to be as nice to him as possible even though he's directly opposed to the protagonist. I just think it's uncalled for to bring it into the conversation and act like it's just a big Shirou hate party.
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Quick unrelated question but what was it kirei was going to give rin from her father at the beginning of fate stay night that she passed up I can’t remember
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>>4340820
Zouken is gonna use anything against her, I don't think that should stop us from going through with it anyway instead of making her dangerously codependent on us.

Also they're like 10 and we have the mind of an adult and we straight up have a charisma skill so I think our chances are pretty decent personally
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>>4340812
>he’s a talentless squib
Also Shinji isn't that either, he's very talented and smart, just a douchebag.
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>>4340839
He's magically talentless, is I think what anon was getting at.
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>>4340820
Wouldn't it be more fun to let the issues between the sisters fester and leave the two to not speak until the war, so when Dark Sakura inevitably comes out we can have the dynamic of all that resentment coming to the surface?
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>>4340834
> I just think it's uncalled for to bring it into the conversation and act like it's just a big Shirou hate party.
Given the current circumstances and the way the quest had been trending for a while now, I'd disagree. But you otherwise aren't wrong so I'll take my L for even mentioning it.
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>>4340848
No. If you want edgy shit fuck off back to Awakening.
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>>4340851
>edgy shit
Have you read Fate/Stay Night?
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>>4340851
You...do know what VN this is all based on right?
Edgy shit is a cournerstone of Fates in general.
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>>4340853
So question here. Are you Sweets? Because you spend alot of time white knighting for his dumpster fire while pushing out retarded ideas that he would think are good.
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>>4340851
Bro nasu is chunni as fuck, only urobutcher beats him on edge
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>>4340837
I guess it's really a question of what is worse, having a lot and watching it fall apart piece by piece, or having a cornerstone crumble with time. Provided Zouken lives to the war, of course.

And Shinji could absolutely pull it off.

>>4340848
It's great drama. And then Shinji can destroy Sakura's concept of contempt.
More seriously, I'm all on board with getting Rin and Sakura to kiss and make up, or at least start talking again. I just think it's more tenable with a peer relationship between Rin and Shinji than master-student.
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>>4340835
Likely the Azoth he used to kill Tokiomi, because Kirei is just that kind of a cool guy
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>>4340860
Two posts in a half hour, that sure is a lot of time, huh? Fucking incredible that I could invest that much time in calling out a couple of assholes shitting on a quest I enjoy.
Seriously though, if you don't want edgy shit why are you reading a Fate quest? We started this situation out with a worm rape dungeon and you're complaining about edge now?
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>>4340872
Ooooh, someone's touchy, why don't you go write Alberich murdering Sakura while you suck his cock a little more.
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>>4340860
>>4340879
I dont want to shit up Whats' quest, but what part of Awakening is a dumpster fire?
It's been a competent work.
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>>4340885
The forced lolifaggotry, the railroading, the jobbing, the unlikeable characters. Honestly you would need to be a masochist to still be reading.
But Sweets loves suffering so that's ok.
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>>4340893
It has loli sex? I'm going to start reading it
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>>4340898
It's not as exciting as it sounds. If you're into shit like Loli Hitler though, go for it.
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Can everyone please calm down and stop insulting other QMs and quests? I don't know what's going on in Awakening right now but this isn't the place to bring it up.
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>>4340948
Based quest master
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>>4340948
Ah, fine. Sorry for shitting up your thread, WhatIs.
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>>4340948
I agree. Whether or not you like Awakening is not related to this quest whatsoever. If you wanna shitpost do it there right in front of Sweets as befitting of proper trolling conduct

Also, how's the vote doing? Are we still tied?
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>>4340965
I'm working on the update where you tell Touko about Zouken right now.
Then you'll get another choice about being Touko's apprentice.
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>>4340979
thanks that simplifies things a lot
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>>4340979
we did it fellas
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>>4340979
I wonder if we could use a mirror made of truth to reflect Mystic Eyes.
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Sup guys just got back from wor-

SWEET JESUS
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"I... I want to accept. But I don't know if I can." You try your best to stand up to the woman. You aren't going to be forced into being her apprentice if it won't help.

"Oh? I hope you have a good reason for turning me down. For your sake." There's a tinge of hostility in Touko's voice. That note of hostility sends a shiver down your spine.

"I...It's my sister. I... I wasn't telling you the whole story when I told you that she was the one being taught my families magecraft." Touko raises an eyebrow. "The Matou... They don't have magic crests like most other families do. They... They use these things called crest worms, and-"

"You can stop there. I'm familiar with the concept of... crest worms. Some of Zolgen Makiri's written work is still kept at the clock tower, after all. But you're saying that these things are actually being used? Not only were they a disgusting idea, They aren't particularly effective when it comes to efficiency, if you actually wanted them to work, you'd really need to..." Touko stops for a moment as she seems to realize just what you mean. "Matou-kun. How old is your sister?" Touko's voice is quiet.

"She's a year younger than me... I... I know what is happening to her, and I'm the only person she has in her life to help her through what she's going through." You don't want to see her miserable, and right now, she doesn't care for Shirou at all. Just three days away from Sakura and being unable to cheer her up and see that smile of hers is enough to make your heart ache ever so slightly.

"I won't help her, before you ask me to do that, Matou-kun." Touko has a frown on her face. "If you want to save your sister, all I shall suggest is that you get stronger and figure out a way to save her yourself. You have the capability to become maybe the strongest magus on the planet with those circuits and that element of yours, for almost anyone else, that in itself would be a goal." Touko tries to appeal to some sort of sense of inherent superiority within you to get you to become her apprentice.
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Touko's suggestion of becoming supreme over other magi ought to spark some desire to ascend the ranks of the Clocktower till you stand above all others, but it doesn't. "Power. It's nothing but a means to an end for me. I don't really care if I'm the strongest magus or whatever. All the power in the world is worthless if you can't see the people you care about smile." You give Touko a sad smile as you think of what horrible fates might occur to those people you've already come to care for. While growing more powerful might allow you to help them avoid the sad fates they could have in store for them, to pursue power at the expense of everything else would be foolish. It's awfully lonely at the top, after all. Touko probably knows just how it feels to have people terrified, hateful and jealous of her just because of her own success. "If I can't be there for my sister when she needs me, then I'm afraid that I'm going to have to turn you down. I won't become your apprentice." You can't leave Sakura.

A wind blows and Touko looks at you in silence for a good few seconds before she begins chuckling "You really are a strange boy, Matou-kun." Smoking once again, she continues. "If you're going to be so persistent, how about I make a special arrangement with you then?" She begins to smile with that viscous look on her face again.

"What do you mean by special arrangement?" Touko seems pretty confident that you're going to accept whatever it is she's going to say next.

"Well, I could simply move a workshop to Fuyuki and then I suppose I could teach you in secret. You're aware that my specialty is creating puppets, right? Nobody would even know you weren't simply attending school like a boy your age is supposed to while you're actually with me." She then stares you dead into the eyes. "I hope you appreciate managing to get me to compromise like this, Matou-kun. It's not something I would do for just about anyone." The older woman drops the cigarette and stomps on it. "So, what do you say now, Shinji-kun?"

>"Is it really alright for you to set up a workshop in Fuyuki? What about the Second Owner?
>"I accept, Sensei/Shishou." (Sensei or Shishou, which do you prefer?)
>"It's still a no, Touko."
>"What if Grandfather finds out?"
>Write-in...
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>>4341260
>>"I accept, Shishou."
but also add
>>"Is it really alright for you to set up a workshop in Fuyuki? What about the Second Owner?

This is a damn good deal. Take it. TAKE IT.
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>>4341260
>"I accept, Sensei/Shishou."
I'll go with majority on whichever.
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>>4341260
>>4341264
Seconded
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>>4341260
I accept. Fuck her brains out
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>>4341260
>>"I accept, Shishou"
>>"Thank you."
How terrifying. How much work is Shinji going to have to put in for this favor?
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>"I accept, Sensei/Shishou."
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>>4341260
>"I accept, Shishou."
>"Thank you."
Literally no reason not to accept this deal
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>>4341260
>"I accept, Sensei/Shishou."
Oh boy, the shitstorm that'll happen when Aoko finds out Shiki's hanging out around us and Touka is going to be absolutely glorious.
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>>4341260
>"I accept, Shishou."
She seems like a big deal, etc.
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>>4341260
>"I accept, Shishou."
>"Thank you."
When Shinji hits puberty, Touko's ass is his
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>>4341260
>"I accept, Shishou"
>"Thank You"
I'm sorry I doubted you Wanderchads.
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>>4341264
Thirded
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all that we need to do now is befriend Aoko and cause a massive shit storm
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>>4341260
>"I accept, Shishou."
>"Thank you."
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>>4341260
>>"I accept, Sensei/Shishou." (Sensei or Shishou, which do you prefer?)
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>>4341260
>>"I accept, Shishou."
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>>4341352
>>4341330
>>4341308

>one post IDs
>bruh
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>>4341429
is that bad?
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>>4341260
>"I accept, Shishou"
>"Thank You"
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The second owner is a girl who doesn’t even know her guardian is fleecing her dry. If she’s not aware of Kerry, Altrum, or even fucking Caster setting up workshop, I doubt she’ll care if Touko was.

On another note, if it’s 1998, either Rakkyo is finishing up with just Rio vs Shiki left, or it’s not part of the timeline.

Either that or Touko deem an isekai protag is a more interesting subject of study than Akashic Terminal...
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>>4341498
She could be doing a few things at once, babysitting a child would probably get boring, even if they have god tier potential. We don't know the exact terms of her stay
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>>4341517
She's also a puppet master.
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>>4341260
>"I accept, Shishou."
>"Thank you."
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Honestly, now that we know we're some absurd person with contradictory origins, maybe we should be more careful around other Magus besides Zouken. Yeah we could get wormed but getting a Sealing Designation doesn't sound any better
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>>4341429
You can either be paranoid or accept a lot of people post from mobile which changes IDs all the time.

>>4341260
>"I accept, Sensei/Shishou." (Sensei or Shishou, which do you prefer?)

Shishou
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inb4 shinji summons a Scathach variant for the hgw

Dude just can't stop getting ara ara'd
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>>4341260
>"I accept, Shishou."
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>>4341692
Impossible due to conditions for Scathach to be summoned require the destruction of Human Order. Unless she get wiped off from the existence like everyone else in FGO, she’d still be alive in Dun Scaith
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>>4340289
>Not mentioning those thirteen atrophied circuits
I swear to God this is some kind of foreshadowing or future upgrade I can't understand yet
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>>4341260
>"I accept, Shishou."
Monica will have a meltdown when she finds out about our apprenticeship.
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Can someone remind me why apprenticing under Touko is scary?
It's been a while since I've seen KnK, and I haven't fully read Mahoutsukai no Yoru yet.

So why do you guys think we have 4 channels in our circuits?
Could it be due to us having 3 origins and a soul the size of two souls?
328 High Quality Magic Circuits is nuts though, and we should even be able to use all of them if we can get creative with mystic codes or if we make significant progress in our Reality Marble we could just live through their full activation.
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>>4341260
>"I accept, Sensei/Shishou."
>Hugs might be too much, but a deep bow maybe? Something to show a great appreciation.
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No way Zouken hasn’t noticed that we have that many circuits. At the very least he’s probably checked our element/ origin at some point.

Also, does this mean that we somehow have 3 reality marbles? Are we secretly 3 random anons shoved into an 8 year-old’s body? One into the dick, one in the stomach, and one into the brain? Our old memories seem to be preety vague on personal details, so it would make sense if we were several anons combined into one. Having 4 souls would explain why we have 4 channels. Or we could also be possessed by a spirit of some sort - not much known on them in Nasu.
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>>4341965
At some point before we "awoke" as Shinji, sure, he checked, but after that point? He probably hasn't bothered and is busy wanking off in his rape worm cave.
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There's absolutely no reason for you to refuse becoming her apprentice now. Touko has been quite thorough in covering every variable she is aware of. The only thing that might change her mind about staying in Fuyuki is if she was made aware of the grail war, but honestly, when you're practically immortal and are also possibly the greatest magus in the world when it comes to skill alone like Touko is, you can't really imagine a grail war would be that much of a bother to her. The idea of Touko acting as a Master in a grail war is a genuinely terrifying prospect. She's quite literally a better Caster than a large quantity of Caster class servants, in addition to effectively being immortal. It's not often that a Servant would be considered the weak point between a Servant and a Master, but for Touko you get the feeling that that would end up the case. Still, that same woman is now offering to teach you in the art of magecraft, and when it comes to people that could help you to understand your esoteric abilities better, Touko is almost certainly one of the best candidates. "I accept, Shishou." The woman smiles at you as you finally accept the offer to become her apprentice.

The woman smiles a little at the use of the word "That's a little better, Matou-kun. Though it will be a few weeks before I'm ready to start teaching you in Fuyuki. I need to make a few preparations first, I'm sure you understand that it's not exactly a simple task to set up a secret workshop, and I'll need to get to work creating that puppet of you too. Actually, now that I think about it..." Without warning, Touko moves her hand across your face and there's a brief sharp pain which suddenly fades. As you look at her hand, you notice a single droplet of blood on Touko's finger, though she quickly transfers it into a small glass vial. "That ought to make creating a more convincing puppet of you a little easier. It's always more of a chore when you don't have any base to work off of." You rub your cheek with an upset look on your face, only to find that there's no wound where you were expecting a cut.

"Shishou..." You stare the woman directly in the eyes one last. "...Thank you." While you may have intended to meet Aoko, it seems that fate had different plans in store for you after all. But really, compared to just receiving some guidance from Aoko and maybe some mystic code to help you survive, actually becoming Touko's student in magecraft is a far greater result than you could've hoped for. Of course, you don't really see the world like a magus does at all. Honestly, what appeal does the root hold to you anyway? It might be a worthy goal for a magus of this world to pursue, but at the end of the day, it's just another source of power. To devote your life to reaching the Root is to devote your life to power, and you really aren't about to do something so foolish when you've seen just how that turns out for people.
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Touko's face looks a little troubled at receiving your sincere thanks "Whatever, kid. I'm just satisfying my curiosity as a magus is all." The woman turns away. "But you're welcome." She lights another cigarette as she walks off. "I'll be in touch, Matou-kun, you'll be my first apprentice." You wonder where exactly she's heading off to as she wanders down an alleyway. You would hate to be a vampire that encounters Touko, seriously. Costanza really got lucky in only running into Monica and getting turned to ash. You can't help but wonder what exactly Touko would have in store for an apparently fairly weak Dead Apostle. Well, you say apparently, you don't know how strong he was supposed to be, but he was disposed by Monica with great ease. Then again, seeing as Monica is likely to be far above the level of an average enforcer, maybe you're just being a little harsh on the vampire.

You watch as Touko vanishes out of sight. You're happy with the result of heading to Misaki town already, actually. Not only did you get to see a nameless vampire get exploded, but you also got to meet Sacchin and secure yourself an apprenticeship with one of the greatest magi on the planet at age ten. Rin would probably explode with jealousy if you told her of basically anything that you found out today. Especially if she found out that the firstborn son of the magical dead-ends known as the Matou in fact likely has the most magic circuits on the planet, at least according to Touko.

With Touko gone though, you soon continue your wandering, soon finding the mobile phone shop you were looking for. Though just as you are about to enter, you spot something a fair distance away. A boy your age with black hair running through the streets as quickly as he can. He's wearing pale blue clothes and looks completely disorganized. Hello, Shiki.

>Follow the boy and see where he goes, there's no harm in also meeting Aoko, is there?
>Follow the boy and remain at a distance. You don't need to meet Aoko now, but you want to ensure she meets Shiki.
>Ignore the boy and just go into the electronics shop to buy a mobile phone.
>Ignore the boy and go back to the hotel instead of buying a phone. Monica is probably worried.
>Write-in...
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>>4341993
>Ignore the boy and go back to the hotel instead of buying a phone. Monica is probably worried.
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>>4341993
>Ignore the boy and go back to the hotel instead of buying a phone. Monica is probably worried.
Good luck to you Shiki.
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>>4341993
>Follow the boy and remain at a distance. You don't need to meet Aoko now, but you want to ensure she meets Shiki
We need to make sure that the timeline flows correctly
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>>4341993
>Ignore the boy and go back to the hotel instead of buying a phone. Monica is probably worried.
Damn, looks like we missed getting to him before we he goes running for the field. Oh well, we can always meet with him later, wity how things turned out it's probably better that way. I do NOT want to interfere on Aoko and Shiki's meeting in anyway, even just watching could fuck something up. Better to let them have their moment.
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>>4341993
Aoko's probably gonna be super salty
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>>4342002
Switching to this it makes more sense
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>>4342003
More like jelly, Touko stole her shota.
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>>4341993
Ignore the boy
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>>4342007
We aren't Aoko's shota.She has Shiki.
Which means now he's our rival, given the relationship between the two!
If we were a melty blood character, we'd fight Shiki before the boss in the arcade mode or something.
I fucking love it!
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>>4341993
>>Ignore the boy and just go into the electronics shop to buy a mobile phone.
Let's at least buy a phone before we head back since we're standing right outside the store.
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>>4341993
>>Ignore the boy and go back to the hotel instead of buying a phone. Monica is probably worried.
Pretty sure we can get a phone back home, so I'll go with the majority here.
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>>4342019
Oh shit! That would be so awesome!
As it is right now we would lose. Shiki is OP, pls nerf.
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>>4341993
>>Ignore the boy and go back to the hotel instead of buying a phone. Monica is probably worried.
That marks off most of the checklist. Maybe Shinji can stop ditching Monica now.
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So touko said she can steal magic crests, that means she might be able to take the Emiya crest and apply it to Shirou.
We could have Time Alter and UBW as backup.
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What do you think we can do with Truth? I reckon we should focus on learning healing magecraft with it.
Maybe also binding.
>>4342046
That would be fucking awesome.
We should do that.
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>>4342050
>What can we do with Truth
Anything?
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>>4342050
It'd probably take alot of energy, but we might be able to straight up incarnate servants with it. Reinforce the truth of their existence and all that.
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>>4341993
Oops forgot my vote
>Go back to hotel.
>>4342054
I don't know if we can do anything.
Can we fix the grail? Incarnate servants? Replicate True Magic? Kill ORT? Make Noble Phantasms? Stop time? Erase things? Save Illya?
I just think "I can do anything!" Is a little hopeful.
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>>4342029
Not as good as my main though!

>>4342050
I could be thinking about it wrong but here is how I see it.
Truth enables us to set the parameters of reality. Through it we are able to choose what is and what is not possible by either adding or subtractive attributes to a given thing.
We have a sword. I say that the sword can cut through anything, so it does. But we also say that it can't cut through paper, so it doesn't.
We set the rules of reality for we are Truth.
Of course making spells that will enable us to do any of that will be challenging I'm sure, but with Touko's help we'll be fine.
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>>4342063
That's not how it was explained.
The sword would be able to cut things "that are impossible to cut" since paper is possible to cut it wouldn't be cut by the sword.
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>>4342063
Oh boy, if we're going to become the magus equivalent of a programmer let's hope we don't fuck out and make reality crash.
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>>4342073
Fate/Extra Shinji has us covered.
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>>4342068
Ah, ok!
Shows how much I know about shit, and that's also way less broken.
Fuck I can't wait to see what type of bullshit we can do with this! The only concern would be finding truly impossible things to use our magic on, given magecraft makes a lot of things that would be considered "impossible" possible.

>>4342074
Fucking nice.
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>>4342077
>That's way less broken
I'm wondering if we can do something like create a wooden Kendo sword that sunders steel.
Also how does Truth stack up to Imaginary Elements, do you think?
I'm going to laugh my ass off if we hard counter Sakura.
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>>4342077
Well those were just the examples Touko gave.
The Truth is the difference between fact and fiction, and since it's our element we have some control over both.
I think your hypothesis is accurate in several ways.
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>>4341993
>Ignore the boy and go back to the hotel instead of buying a phone. Monica is probably worried.
We came here to confirm he exists in the first place and we've got an in with Shiki with Sacchin, if he walks around with glasses then he's got the eyes.

>>4342090
>Sakura turns Dark
>Tries to eat Shinji with The Shadow
>"nou"
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>>4341993
>Ignore the boy and go back to the hotel instead of buying a phone. Monica is probably worried
Save it for when we're back to Fuyuki then. We got confirmation Shiki Tohno is alive and existing, therefore Tsukihime is really happening, therefore Sacchin is out way into the plot assuming she doesn't get Dead Ended too. We're done here, people!
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>>4342110
>We're done here, people
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED AND THEN SOME!
We might still want to visit him in the hospital. That IS why we told Aoko we came here, and I'm sure she's gonna be supisious if we leave without doing that much.
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>>4340741
Capability is not certainty. You could do that and still get Dead Ended because "lol you CAN survive your magic circuits at full throttle because Truth, but you didn't, so enjoy your first Taiga Dojo!"
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>>4342137
All we need is the capability, the magical energy making us combust and die is the apparent problem, so if that's solved we're fine.
Willpower will do the rest.

Activating our circuits may make us bedridden for a while actually.
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>>4342122
We need to randomly mention Roa in our get well soon card.
>>4342137
I guarantee that in order to make such a change we'd need to open our circuits to their max and die in the process.
Then Illya and Taiga will scold us for trying to cheat.
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>>4342137
What a terrible idea.
>>4342164
>Then Illya and Taiga will scold us for trying to cheat.
>Taiga will scold us
Don't tempt me.
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>>4341993
>Costanza
Wasn't his name Constantine?
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>>4342244
That's the joke
Shinji hasn't gotten it right once!
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>>4341993
>>Ignore the boy and go back to the hotel instead of buying a phone. Monica is probably worried.
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>>4341991
>at the end of the day, it's just another source of power
But that's not what the Root is at all? Reaching it is about understanding the true nature of the universe. That's a noble thing to want. The power is just a bonus.
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>>4341993
>Ignore the boy and go back to the hotel instead of buying a phone. Monica is probably worried.
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>>4342263
I don't think many Magi see it that way.
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>>4341993
>Ignore the boy and go back to the hotel instead of buying a phone. Monica is probably worried.
I wonder what would happen if we say, apply the truth of "your eyes will only see the ordinary" to shiki or "your hands will hold nothing" to shirou
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>>4342281
Damn, what did Shirou do to you?
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>>4342263
To Shinji, the Root is just another source of power. What's the point of understanding the true nature of a universe when you already understand that it's a fictional universe? Well, Multiverse, but specifics.

>>4342250
That is indeed what is going on. Shinji doesn't think of Constantine as important enough to remember the name of. To Shinji, he was just a mob enemy designed to show off how powerful Monica was.

>>4342272
Yeah, with that understanding of everything that comes from actually touching the Root, you also attain the 'capabilities of God'.
Of course actually touching the Root is guaranteed death for everyone that exists. Merely observing the Root is enough to allow you to use True Magic, however..
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>>4342294
Just an intresting idea
Like, how would that interact with the command seals? Would he lose them since his hand can't 'hold' them? Would he be able to grap the void? In which case what the fuck would that do?
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>>4341993
>Ignore the boy and go back to the hotel instead of buying a phone. Monica is probably worried.
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>>4342281
Jesus Christ no
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>>4341993
>Ignore the boy and go back to the hotel instead of buying a phone. Monica is probably worried.
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>>4341993
>Ignore the boy and go back to the hotel instead of buying a phone. Monica is probably worried.
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>>4341993
>>Follow the boy and remain at a distance. You don't need to meet Aoko now, but you want to ensure she meets Shiki.
damn, guess no one is interested in the superior Aozaki sister anymore
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>>4341993
>>Ignore the boy and just go into the electronics shop to buy a mobile phone.

I want that sweet brick phone
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>>4342471
It's kind of an exclusive deal sort of thing with them
We just sold our soul to be touko's shota slave, better not get aoko involved, at least not too soon
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>>4342471
Hey, I wanted to be apprenticed to Aoko myself, but a bird in the hand... We had the opportunity with Touko, so we took it. The sisters hate each other so now that we've gotten together with Touko it's probably a good idea to steer clear of Aoko.
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>>4342493
>>4342490
well damn, i don't think being friends with her would cause that much trouble but if that's what everyone wants
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>>4342308
>To Shinji, he was just a mob enemy designed to show off how powerful Monica was.
>designed to show off how powerful Monica was.
>designed
....wait.
Does Shinji...actively think he's in a VN rather than an alternate reality?
It's one think to know the world is based on some stupid bullshit, but it's a different think to believe you've been transferred into fiction itself.
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>>4342471
Superior in not-training-Shinji, maybe.
>>4341845
I just thought it was scary that she flipped the switch from 'hey, want the chance to apprentice under me?' to essentially 'hey, you're my apprentice now'.
Between all the grandpas, sisters and worms, something flipped her switch. When the fallout comes up it's going to be something else.
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>>4342505
>it's a different think to believe you've been transferred into fiction itself
It sure is. You might call it delusional or even an alien mindset. I'm pretty sure that to think he's actually living in fiction is the foundation of the reality marble. You don't get one of those while being sane.
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>>4342506
Might be because she sees a lot of herself in us (obviously more talented, similar family situation) but instead of seeking personal strength, (You) want to protect and be there for Sakura. She might kinda pity and envy that, maybe Touko wants to see what's the big deal. It also helps that we're an isekai mutant and our progress would be interesting to see
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>>4342505
Yes.
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>>4342122
Pretty sure we just said visiting a friend at hospital, there are shitton of kids in hospital and Aoko was never inside it to begin with
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>>4342558
I'm just saying it would be best we covered out ass in that regard. She could be watching, she could simply ask the nurses if they had seen anyone that looks like us. We're pretty distinctive.
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You look at the boy as he runs off in no particular direction and decide it would be for the best if you were just to let him run into his fated encounter with a particular magician without interfering or watching. After all, the last thing Shiki needs in his life is for somebody to mess up the most important day of it... that he can remember, at least.

Really, as much as you might want to go and see Aoko again, you really ought to refrain. You're Touko's apprentice now, and the last thing your new teacher would want is for you to seek out one of her (sometimes) enemies for a friendly chat. There are far more reasons for you not to go and meet Aoko than there genuinely are for you to go and meet her. Really, all that meeting her would accomplish at this point would be sating your own curiosity.

Also, Monica is probably getting worried about you. The woman attacked and killed a Dead Apostle in a heartbeat for the sake of fulfilling her contract, so having the young boy she's supposed to be protecting suddenly disappear into the dangerous streets of Misaki Town after leaving just a vague note as to what he's doing is probably a less than pleasant thing to wake up to. You'll probably have to think of a way to apologize to her if you did make her worry though.

You begin to hurry back to the hotel. With any luck, you'll be able to make it back to the hotel before Monica even wakes up, then you can just pretend that you remained within the hotel room for the entire morning, without ever needing to mention the fact that you not only met Touko and were likely at risk of being killed by her for a brief moment, but that she actually requested you become her apprentice and you accepted after a brief bout of bargaining.
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You would rather you keep your apprenticeship with Touko as secretive as you possibly can. You really don't need the Mage's Association from finding out about Touko's mysterious new apprentice or something like that. From what you can tell by your immensely powerful sounding element, you'd almost certainly get a sealing designation for just your element alone. Hell, you're pretty certain the unique composition of your magic circuits and your three contradicting origins are also cause for receiving a designation. Dealing with the Clocktower as a whole is going to be fun you can already tell. But at least for now you don't have executors and legions of magi being sent to capture you for the sake of magical study. You hope that you'll be strong enough by the time that such events begin to occur to you that you can fend off the Clocktower. Of course, you should technically have enough magical energy to sustain a Servant even without support from the grail, maybe even two or three! So all you would really have to do to avoid the long arm of the magical law is just survive the next eight years as well as the Fifth War. Even the Clocktower would think twice before attempting to go after even a single Servant. A faction with multiple loyal Servants might even have the area they occupy become something of a rival to the Three Great Branches of the Mage's Association. Though you would really need Caster on your side to really be considered a true rival of the Mage's Association. For whatever reason Nasu seemed to be really focused on saying that she's a superior magus to almost every other magecraft user in the setting, well, with the exceptions of the obviously broken Casters like Merlin or Solomon.
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The walk back to the hotel feels much shorter than the walk to the shopping district felt. You didn't end up buying a mobile, but that's no big deal. It's not like you need one right now, and getting a mobile isn't exactly all that crucial for you as a ten year old. Especially not when you know you can just wait a few years and buy a far superior mobile phone to the ones currently available on the market, and it won't cost you nearly as much to buy one of higher quality, either. not that money is a big deal what with this gold bar Monica gave you. How you're actually going to exchange this damn thing for yen is a complete mystery though. Maybe you can ask Monica or maybe Touko. Failing that, you suppose you can always use a long string and a stick to try and make a fishing rod to capture Rin. Still, it could be worthwhile to get a fair amount of money before the Fifth War. It looks like the majority of companies are the same as the ones in your past life which thankfully you can still remember, though some of them are obviously edited slightly. McDonalds being MtDonalds now, confusingly. At least not everything got that treatment. Still, you know you can make a huge profit by cheating the market with literal knowledge of the future, or at least how the future ought to turn out.

You're so focused on thinking about renamed companies that you almost miss the faint hum of electricity in the air as you pass through a short alleyway to get to another street. You look around you, yet you can't see anything out of the ordinary. Yet despite your inability to see anything wrong, you get the awful feeling that something dreadful is about to happen.

Just as you remember just who it is to be making use of some form of electricity, Monica drops down from one of the rooftops of the buildings you are passing in-between, slowing with a brief crackle of electricity around her feet just before she hits the ground at high velocity and shatters her ankles. "Shinji-kun! I found you!" She sounds happy, but you can tell that behind that anger lies a silent anger towards your carelessness. "You can't just run off on your own like this, don't you remember that you were attacked last night? You're the sort of person that attracts the attention of vampires for whatever reason. Do you have any idea how worried I was that you might end up running into something or somebody dangerous?" You were probably right to be worried, Monica, but you managed to resolve things in a spectacular manner. "What is it that was so important that you couldn't just wake me up for it?"
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"It's not that I didn't want to wake you up Monica-san. It's just that you looked really tired and I thought you would appreciate the rest." you give her a small smile to try to appease her slightly. Really, she did look tired.

Some of the tension in Monica's face lessens up at that comment. "I appreciate the thought, Shinji-kun, but that's not really the point. What were you doing?" Yeah, there's no way out of this one without an actual explanation, be it a lie or the truth.

>"I wandered about until I found Touko Aozaki and agreed to become her apprentice."
>"I wanted to buy a mobile phone, but the shopkeeper refused to take a large sum of yen from a kid without adult supervision."
>"I wanted to go for a walk. Is that so bad?"
>"I wanted to find Aoko but got sidetracked by the shopping district."
>Write-in...
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>>4342524
I can absolutely see that and Shinji will benefit massively from her tutelage. But seeing her go all-in like that was really something; it's one of those offers you are incapable of refusing because it might destroy you. She's really hungry to hitch herself to whatever Shinji's future holds and that's a little concerning.
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>>4342582
>"I wanted to buy a mobile phone, but the shopkeeper refused to take a large sum of yen from a kid without adult supervision."
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>>4342582
>"I wandered about until I found Touko Aozaki and agreed to become her apprentice."
>"Can you... promise not to tell anyone from the clocktower? I really don't want to get a sealing designation..."
>bust out the puppy eyes
Gotta grind those rosy cheeks
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>>4342578
Mobile phone
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>>4342578
>behind that anger lies a silent anger
Oh shit, anger with a side of anger. We're in trouble now.
>>4342582
>"I wandered about until I found Touko Aozaki and agreed to become her apprentice."
>"Can you... promise not to tell anyone from the clocktower? I really don't want to get a sealing designation..."
Yeah, trying to keep raising our potential charisma rank seems like a good plan.
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>>4342582
>"I wanted to buy a mobile phone, but the shopkeeper refused to take a large sum of yen from a kid without adult supervision."
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>>4342593
>>4342582
support
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>>4342582
>"I wandered about until I found Touko Aozaki and agreed to become her apprentice."
>"Can you... promise not to tell anyone from the clocktower? I really don't want to get a sealing designation..."
>"And Monica-san how interested are you in making some bets and stock market trades?"
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>>4342582
>"I wanted to buy a mobile phone, but the shopkeeper refused to take a large sum of yen from a kid without adult supervision."
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>>4342582
>"I wandered about until I found Touko Aozaki and agreed to become her apprentice."
Don't lie to the electric cake, but don't be flippant about it either.
>Felt pressed for time and went solo due to pressure
>Admit that she's right, Misaki town is really dangerous especially for a kid your age
If all that goes over well
>ask if she wants to spend the rest of the trip holding hands
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>>4342602
Oh no.
I meant to put smile.

Instead, Monica is DOUBLE ANGRY.
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>>4342582
>>4342622
This. And only this.
The "I really don't want to get a sealing designation..." line is not only WAY to cheeky for a Rosy Cheeked Shota, but it also implies a ton more than we want to let on.
I also want to include
>"I wanted to find Aoko but got sidetracked by the shopping district."
Say that first because again, we absolutly DO NOT want anyone to know about the meta knoweldge and the first thing any smart person would ask after we tell them we were looking for Touko is "How did you know she'd be around."
So to sum it up
First, show some god damn consern about her shattering her fucking ankles. Teary eyes, a tremble in the voice, anything.
Next we hit her with the
>"Can you... promise not to tell anyone."
And THEN
>"I wanted to find Aoko but got sidetracked by Touko Aozaki and agreed to become her apprentice."
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>>4342636
Oh god!
I managed to cut out the part where she slowed down!
How?!
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>>4342640
Oh wait no you didn't
I just miss read it!
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>>4342640
You didn't, but your great big update blocks sometimes make it hard to parse out information
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>You would rather you keep your apprenticeship with Touko as secretive as you possibly can.
> most voter choose to blab to Monica at first opportunity

Really that fucking eager to brag, why not tell Zouken too while you're at it?
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Well kinda hope we bump into Aoko one last time if we're gonna leave Misaki Town soon since we're kinda done with everything. Also Tsukihime is real and we're gonna have to fight Dead Apostle Ancestors in a few years, boss rush is real
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>>4342642
Oh thank goodness, I got a little concerned I had accidentally crippled Monica.
It could definitely be a little clearer though, so that's my bad.
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>>4342593
>>4342582
support
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>>4342649
Between lying, disregarding Monica's concern, and admitting that we were looking for someone she suggested we stay away from, the truth is probably the best option. Plus Monica is here to keep us safe, so knowing who's good to approach and who isn't is important for her to know.
If Touko shows up again on the trip, I'd rather have the two of them have an understanding than see Monica go off the handle and then have to explain everything to her.
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>>4342649
It's not about being eager to brag, it's about building a closer relationship to Monica, who has proven herself to be very reliable and a great asset to have and be on personal terms with. Besides that, Monica can smell bullshit from a mile away, so she'd be able to catch us in our lie, and the way to her good side so far has been with our honesty and genuine behaviour.
That said...god can we not use that fucking sealing designation line? Please? Begging her not to tell is one thing, but we really shouldn't give her too much.
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>>4342684
I mean, just getting an apprenticeship under Touko should be enough to get anyone a sealing designation.
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>>4342691
didn't she get her sealing designation removed?
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>>4342696
Yup, then she got it again.
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>>4342691
Yeah, but we should leave that implication in the air instead of confirming the suspicion. If she was paid by someone to talk about us, we need to make sure that she is unable to give them anything too incriminating considering being Touko's apprentice is incriminating enough.
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>>4342710
You could probably explain it as us being a kid and sealing designations being a magus version of a nightmare story.
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>>4342713
Some issues with that are that Monica should have an indication Shinji is well read, and mature for his age. He's bound to have learned something beyond just hearsay.
I could see framing it as though he hasn't really had an opportunity to explore his potential as a magus tho. The fear that it might cripple this new aspect of him in some way.
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>>4342691
We have enough shit to get like what, five sealing designations? When we get strong enough though, I want to say fuck it and use it as a title.
>The man with 100 sealing designations
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>>4342582
>"I wanted to find Aoko but got sidetracked by the shopping district."
>"Can you... promise not to tell anyone."
>"I wanted to find Aoko but got sidetracked by Touko Aozaki and agreed to become her apprentice."
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>>4342582
>>4342622
supporting
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>>4342582
>"I wandered about until I found Touko Aozaki and agreed to become her apprentice."
We did originally leave to go buy a phone, so I feel like we should say that.
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>>4342582
>>"I wanted to buy a mobile phone, but the shopkeeper refused to take a large sum of yen from a kid without adult supervision."
She's going to think we're an idiot for wandering around looking a specific mysterious person and if we mention anything about clock tower its going to look sus as hell
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>>4342582
>>"I wanted to buy a mobile phone, but the shopkeeper refused to take a large sum of yen from a kid without adult supervision."
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>>4342582
>>"I wandered about until I found Touko Aozaki and agreed to become her apprentice."
>>Write-in...
But don't tell anyone. Not even under penalty of butt worms. I'm pretty sure Shisho has a rape box and she's not above murdering someone thirteen times for slightly insulting her. Oh, also. Never EVER call her by her title EVER. EVER.
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I know nothing about any of these characters
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>>4343061
Its a Nasuverse metagaming quest man, if you want to stick around more power to ya but its gonna be a handicap if you arent as autistic about this stuff as the rest of us.
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>>4343063
That's what I never like about Nasuverse quest though, it basically cease being a compelling story and become autistic optimization to create character sheet the players can then jerk off to.
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>>4343072
I tend to agree but this is literally the meme Shinji Isekai quest. Its what it was always going to be.

That said, the story so far has not even strayed from the original pillars of the Nasuverse. The QM could go far more obscure if he wanted.
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>>4343063
i like fate stay night it made me cry a lot and i thought zero and atraxia were ok and i thought shinji isekai would be cool. Having a great time so far, but I feel like this is weird I had know idea it was this giant of a universe. This is like tolkien on horny weeb juice
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>>4343092
... are you like, fifteen?
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>>4343072
yeah this is literally a meme quest that started because of the prospect of meta gaming idk what you expected
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>>4343077
You say that after the main character has over 300 circuit and 3 fucking origins
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>>4343099
We rolled for those fair and square!
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>>4342582
>"I wandered about until I found Touko Aozaki and agreed to become her apprentice."
>"Can you... promise not to tell anyone?"
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>>4343099
I was referring to the characters and events so far referenced.
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>>4343097
Not saying this quest in particular though, it's most of the fanwork that usually just turn into some stat/skillsheet circlejerk

Which is kinda weird, because most of the original works barely mention quantifiable values and focuses into characterization and story to create coherent narrative about an underdog tale where protagonist survive by the skin of their teeth against ridiculous odd, whereas most fanwork decide to go through the exposition on quantifying powers and just pretend they're not writing about a self insert fantasy

But I don't know, maybe it's that fucking appeal that is in inherent in fandom in general, especially now that the series is basically catered to fucking normies
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Honestly the only real difference between this quest and what you would probably expect from the format is that you can actually fight and Tsukihime happened, without any magic circuits, you're pretty much forced to wait and rely on Shirou and Rin to do most of the work for you. I think I prefer whats happening now as it looks like things have also gotten harder and easier if that makes sense
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>>4343072
I have no intention of turning this quest into a complete power fantasy, despite the premise. Shinji will experience failure and at some point will maybe even end up Dead Ending. You've managed to avoid a few so far! Good job!

>>4343099
The circuits are as much a burden as they are a boon due to their nature, but revealing more than that will be spoiling future developments. In fact, almost everything about you makes you a prime target for practically everyone with any sort of magical knowledge. Should you have too much revealed about you to too many people, even Touko wouldn't be able to help.

>>4343123
I don't intend to make Shinji invincible at all during this quest. Having a protagonist that never struggles against any sort of enemy just isn't appealing in any sense. Maybe it would be for a fight or two for the novelty, but a protagonist who never struggles is a bad protagonist.

Anyway, a theoretical version of this Shinji at the peak of his power would obviously be incredibly powerful, but the same could be said for Shirou himself as EMIYA (or Nameless, depending on the universe).
And yes, attempting to quantify the Nasuverse is a task doomed to failure due to there being just so many contradictory statements and events. Don't even get me started on Servants vs Dead Apostle Ancestors.
I'll get to that hurdle if I have to.

>>4343150
>without any magic circuits, you're pretty much forced to wait and rely on Shirou and Rin to do most of the work for you.
Pretty much my thoughts on the matter. I didn't really want to write something completely identical to the plans mentioned in the /a/ threads, and a quest where you just told Rin and Shirou how to succeed would hardly be a story with you as the protagonist so I decided to throw a few curveballs. Well, more than just a few.
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>>4343159
yeah thats why anons started adding challenges and giving Shinji magic circuits after the 3rd thread. I think adding Tsukihime and making you a mutant among mutants was the right call, it automatically makes things much harder since now we have to worry about other Magus and Dead Apostles Ancestors on top of the usual bullshit with Zouken, Kirei and making nice with our future friends. It honestly just feels like we don't have enough time with 8 years now and I really like that
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Honestly, we're kinda comparable to Flat now who's kind of a moron but fucks with other Magus on accident
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>I wanted to buy a phone
>>4342592
>>4342600
>>4342607
>>4342620
>>4342914
>>4342977

>Reveal Touko and your apprenticeship, ask her not to tell the Clocktower, attempt puppy eyes (?)
>>4342593
>>4342602
>>4342611
>>4342613 (Also wants to ask if Monica if she is interested in cheating the stock market and bets.) (?)
>>4342674

>Reveal Touko and your apprenticeship, felt pressured and pressed for time, admit that she's right and ask to hold hands
>>4342622
>>4342829

>Say you went to the shopping district, ask her to promise not to tell anyone and then reveal Touko and your apprenticeship
>>4342636
>>4342825

>Only reveal Touko and your apprenticeship
>>4342866

>Reveal Touko and your apprenticeship but also tell Monica not to tell anyone. For her own sake.
>>4342987

>Only reveal Touko and your apprenticeship and ask Monica not to tell anyone.
>>4343114

This vote is very divided, and while straight up lying is winning right now, (I think) There's a clear majority for wanting to reveal the truth but in different ways.
If I miscounted, feel free to let me know.
I won't be able to start on the update for six hours or so though, so you have time to come to a consensus.
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>>4343342
Oh, I'm fine with the Clocktower thing as well.
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its Aoko's birthday
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>>4343360
July 7th is still an hour and 24 minutes off here
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>>4343342
changing vote from >>4342825 to
>"I wandered about until I found Touko Aozaki and agreed to become her apprentice."
>"Can you... promise not to tell anyone from the Clock Tower? I really don't want to get a sealing designation..."
Clarify we weren't seeking Touko out, and that we literally met her for the first time just outside the electronics shop.
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>>4343366
just thought I should mention it since she's in Misaki Town and a bit topical right now
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>>4343342
Alright, I suppose I'll agree to the clocktower thing too.
Wonder if we're about to get dead-ended.
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>>4343379
I doubt it, Monica has really had our back and cared about our well being beyond just being another job for her. Also I just realized that we're weirdly honest
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>>4343396
We haven't really spent any time with anyone Shinji should be lying to anyway.
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>>4342593
Im with this
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Hmmm, probably should send a feeler to Fujimura group. They definitely can fence the gold without raising too many eyebrows, and if we can offer our service for investing, we’d be able to leverage larger capital to benefit from the market movement

But whatever we do, never trust Touko with our finance.
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>>4343429
that requires befriending Kerry and a few anons hate him
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>>4343434
No...I mean he's not the fucking Yakuza doorman, and you can just directly interact with Taiga without interacting with Kiritsugu at all.
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>>4343449
"Hey teenager we've only talked to like once, you mind giving this big chunk of gold to your yakuza grandpa so we can make money? Don't worry about how a 10 year old got it."
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>>4343094
no im just tired
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>>4343434
kerry is based cant believe anons hate him and want him to die.
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>>4343489
Well if you enjoy the Fate stuff its likely worth looking into the Tsukihime VN and Kara No Kyoukai stuff at a minimum before things get gay and confusing with FGO.
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>>4343463
"Hey Magus Killer, can you give me your underworld connection? Oh please don't shoot me"

Yeah, I can strawman too
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>>4343463
>>4343613
Guys, we will have plenty of time to hang out with taiga and kerry while we're hanging out with Shirou.
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>>4343657
Yeah it should be noted we have a few years even for Kerry of all people
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>>4342582
>>4342593
Supping.
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>>4343342
switching to >Reveal Touko and your apprenticeship, ask her not to tell the Clocktower, attempt puppy eyes (?)
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>>4343360
Quite so.
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So have we figured out what to do with Monica yet?
Regardless of what we pick, I don't think it'll lead to a dead end but I don't want Monica to become cold towards us in fear of what we actually are. Such fear could lead to a multitude of problems and while we have one of the most powerful magi on our team now, the idea of losing Monica is worse than a simple death Given that we'll probably get to reset the situation if we die, but that's a bold assumption on my part
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>>4343968
Don't worry so much anon, just kick back, relax, and enjoy the ride for the time being.
The time for worrying will come eventually, and it WILL be glorious.
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It's... probably best if you were to be honest with Monica. This woman hasn't done anything that would lead you to believe she isn't trustworthy. In fact, seeing as she's a freelancer, she's likely to be more trustworthy than a good ninety-five percent of magi that you'll ever encounter. Anyone who willingly stays away from the politics of the Clocktower like a freelancer is really just by default going to be less terrible as a person. "This is going to sound like a lot to take in... but I left the hotel to go to the shopping district and wandered around there for a while, and I did intend to buy a mobile phone for myself until..."

"Until what, Shinji-kun? I get the feeling that I'm not going to like what I'm about to hear."

"You know how you told me Aozaki-san was a dangerous person?"

"I remember that quite clearly, yes... Don't tell me you-" A sudden realization dawns on Monica as she realizes just what you must be talking about. Well, she's probably only half right in what she's currently thinking.

"N-now hold on. Don't jump to conclusions, Monica-san!" The woman holds her tongue and allows you to continue. "Well, I did meet an Aozaki... But I ended up meeting Aoko's sister." The atmosphere in the room seems to thicken considerably as soon as you finish saying the word 'sister' and Monica looks at you with bewilderment like you've suddenly grown another head or something.

There's a sharp intake of breath from Monica "Y-you're kidding, right?" Yeah, you had that sort of reaction when you first saw her too. "I probably ought to buy a lottery ticket... the odds of you managing to find both of the Aozaki sisters in the span of two days entirely like chance are pretty good indicators that the laws of probability are breaking down." She doesn't sound amused by the idea of both of the Aozaki sisters being in the same town at the same time. Even if the two of them don't despise each other anymore, there's still a pretty heavy dislike between the two blood siblings, and it's probably true that they'll still get into fights with each other, just less... murderously inclined fights. Wait a minute, didn't Aoko steal Shiki's Mystic Eye Killers from Touko to seal off the boys deadly vision?

Oh... Oh dear. Shishou isn't going to be in the best of moods for the next few weeks, is she? Well, at least Touko isn't the sort to take her frustrations out on her apprentice. "Well... she also ummm... She made me her apprentice." There. You said it.

"She did what." Monica flatly states. It's not even a question, she heard exactly what you said. Eventually though, the realization truly dawns and the woman in front of you looks bewildered. "You... You're Sc-" Yeah you're going to stop her right there. Touko would definitely kill Monica if she heard her finish that sentence.
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"No! Don't call her that!" For your own sake, Monica, you really don't want to do that. "Can you... promise not to tell anyone at the Clocktower about this? I don't want them finding about me, and if they find out they might try to give me a sealing designation..." You look deep into Monica's eyes while trying to make your own appearance as innocent as possible. The plead of a young child to his superior to spare him a cruel fate.

"C-calm down kid. I wouldn't have revealed that anyway. Again, I'm still under contract with you, remember? As far as I'm concerned. Any personal information I find out about a contractor is strictly confidential. I've never been cut out for information-gathering after all. If I started giving information like that out to the Clocktower, then who would want to hire me as a freelancer for jobs that require a more physical touch?" Oh. That... That is a good point, actually. Monica isn't really all that affiliated with the Clocktower on account of her background as a Freelancer. "I'm not some Enforcer grunt who'll go barking to her masters the moment she gets a sniff of magical taboo." Seems that Monica might have something of a dislike towards Clocktower enforcers. You wonder what could have caused her to have developed a dislike of them...

"Oh... So... you won't tell anyone then?" The relief in your voice is palpable, and Monica tries to give you a reassuring smile which for the first time actually seems to work a little. Has she been practicing on giving a nicer smile?

"Of course not, Shinji-kun, I'm honestly a little hurt you would even think I would backstab a kid like that. If you revealed that you had maybe burned down an orphanage or something during your trip out, then I might have to do something, but otherwise I don't really mind if you're the new secret apprentice of Touko Aozaki." That seems like a perfectly sensible morality for her to have, honestly. You're glad that you met Monica. She might've not featured in any of mediums you experienced this series through, but in her own way, you could imagine her being the main character of her own series, actually. A somewhat odd thought, and one you don't really want to linger on.

"Well, I'm... I'm glad that you're not going to sell me out." To be fair though, if Monica did sell you out now, not only would her reputation be ruined, but Touko may very well just murder her.
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"Even if I were the type to do that, It's probably more profitable for me to just stick around with you. I mean, it's not every day that a Dead Apostle comes up to you loaded with cash that nobody will mind you taking." Monica smirks smugly at the memory of completely obliterating that vampire, Columbus. "So, assuming that your encounter with Touko was entirely coincidental and not somehow plotted from the very beginning somehow, what exactly do you want to do in this town now?"

>"I want to buy a mobile phone still actually. Maybe I can get you one as well?"
>"I want to leave a get well card for a kid I know."
>"I want to check out the mansion belonging to the Tohno family."
>"I think I should probably just go home. I got what I set out for in a way I didn't expect."
>Write-in...
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>>4344006
>"I want to leave a get well card for a kid I know."
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>>4344006
>>"I want to leave a get well card for a kid I know."
Let's go home early as well.
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>>4344019
Good idea. I'll support it.
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>>4344006
>>"I want to leave a get well card for a kid I know."
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>>4344019
Sure, you have my support.
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>>4344006
>"I want to leave a get well card for a kid I know."
Also Hug Monica? Hug Monica.
Oh! And we also should get a souvenir for Sakura and maybe Shirou too.
Also Monica might ask how we even know this kid, so you guys might want to think up an excuse. I got nothing.
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>>4344036
I wouldn't mind grabbing souvenirs for Shirou and Sakura.
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>>4344006
>"I want to buy a mobile phone still actually. Maybe I can get you one as well?"
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>>4344006
>>"I want to buy a mobile phone still actually. Maybe I can get you one as well?"
It's not the same as handholding, but better than a leash.
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>>4344036
Why not ask her to bend over and give her a peck on the cheek?
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>>4344045
Nah, that's a bit too much.
Innocent shota hugs of appreciation are the best way to go.
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>>4344006
Actually, changing this >>4344029 to
>>"I want to buy a mobile phone still actually. Maybe I can get you one as well?"
>>"I want to leave a get well card for a kid I know."
We're in the shopping area, we could probably pick up a phone and a card while we're here, then run over to drop it off.
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>>4343555
I will but I just spent the last month on stay night and hollow atraxia so I’m gonna take a break before doing the rest. I also won’t touch grand order
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>>4344064
>I also won’t touch grand order
You should. Aside from the gacha mechanic, it's a pretty interesting storyline. The side events are WAY better though.
Just don't get suckered into spending actual money.
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>>4344006
>>"I want to buy a mobile phone still actually. Maybe I can get you one as well?"
So far our list of contacts has been a thousand miles wide but an inch deep
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>>4344004
>seeing as she's an unprincipled mercenary, she's likely to be more trustworthy than anyone who chooses to be bound by the rules and regulations the clocktower imposes for the greater good of mages as a group.
I don't understand why most fatefags hate clocktower mages so much but good job working the fandom's bias into our fan character. Is it just Kayneth?
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>>4344075
Because Mages for the most part are sociopaths who would do anything to get ahead.
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>>4344006
>>4344019
Support
>>4344075
>just Kayneth
Atrum is a dick.
Marisbury is a dick.
Alba is a dick.
The majority of people Waver interacts with are dicks.
Tokiomi is a dick.
The Einzberns are dicks.
Zouken is a dick.

Magi are all fucking dicks who would dissect you for their research. People like Rin, Aoko and to a lesser extent, Touko are the exception. Not the rule.
>>4344038
Let's give Shirou a toy sword.
Maybe buy Sakura a few boxes of sweets.
Oh god we should do play swordfights with Shirou.
I still want to flex all over Rin.
I genuinely look forward to her being shut up by finding the truth out about us.
Something I'm wondering though.
Would Shirou be stronger if his circuits were opened earlier and not left to atrophies?
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A thought about telling anyone back home about magic circuits and/or training. What happens when it comes out that Shinji actually had magic circuits all along? Sakura's suffering is predicated on Shinji being a magical dead end, from her adoption, getting WORMED.com, and even her current relationship with Rin.

As much fun as it might be to pal around, is there a good response that doesn't make it look like Shinji was covering his own ass?
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>>4344102
I just realised we might get to meet Shiki if we get our Bajiquan to a level where we can compete in a Martial Arts Tournament.
Miyako would probably drag her family to watch them, after all.
Also what should we put in the note?
I'm thinking some generic get well soon in Japanese and in English write "I wish you well on the ROA.d to recovery!"
- Shinji M.
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>>4344006
>"I think I should probably just go home. I got what I set out for in a way I didn't expect."
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>>4344123
Just tell the truth about being the human host of some otherworldly being that massively increased our strength?
Maybe the old "Yeah, sorry?"
Say that we genuinely had no choice as we found out about our power too late might also just work.
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>>4344132
Do you think they make a card for that? "Sorry I let you sister get adopted into my family but I didn't have magic at the time."
More seriously, I don't think it's relationship destroying, but being up front abut it might make navigating them a challenge.
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>>4344102
FUCK Tokiome
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I want to marry Illya!
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>>4344102
>Would Shirou be stronger if his circuits were opened earlier and not left to atrophies?
Maybe. Like I said earlier though, Touko might be able to give him the Emiya Crest. It'd be worth asking her a year or two into our apprenticeship.
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>>4344006
>"I think I should probably just go home. I got what I set out for in a way I didn't expect."
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>>4344006
Supporting >>4344019
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>>4344006
>>"I want to buy a mobile phone still actually. Maybe I can get you one as well?"
>>"I want to leave a get well card for a kid I know."
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>>4344006
>"I want to buy a mobile phone still actually. Maybe I can get you one as well?"
>"I want to leave a get well card for a kid I know."
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lol
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>>4344006
>"I want to leave a get well card for a kid I know."
I just wanna meet Aoko one more time before leaving and this is our best chance of it
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>>4344102
>Would Shirou be stronger if his circuits were opened earlier and not left to atrophies?
he would absolutely be stronger. Shirou was barely a Magus during the events of FSN, so much so that he was dead weight to Saber because he couldn't give her energy to sustain herself. If we open up his circuits and give him the training he needs, then he at the very least won't be a total burden until he gets UBW
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>>4344140
thats why we gotta grind THE FUCK out of our charisma skill
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>>4344353
On the other hand, him being so absolutely shit at magic that he has like 50% chance of performing even shit like basic Projection is the reason why he developed his own methodology for Tracing.

Open his circuit now, and he'd manage to do basic Projection with 100% success rate and end up viewing it as a pretty meh skillset like any other magus. Congratulation I guess, you'll have a Shirou that can do basic cantrip + whatever Kiritsugu decide to teach him, assuming that he still doesn't go out of his way to fuck it up by teaching him wrong to discourage him from being a magus. All at the small cost of losing the entire UBW skilltree!

What's that? He can learn Time Alter? Yeah sure, let Kiritsugu transfer his cursed crest into an unrelated stranger and let see what will kill Shirou first, the rejection or angry manjew's curse.
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All we gotta do is when we have to tell sakura is we brute forced our circuits to help her. She's already so smitten she'll believe anything we say. We are going non-related incest route right?
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>>4344381
you're making a lot of assumptions that if Shirou doesn't go exactly this route then he'll be locked out of UBW

>>4344389
I kind of assume we were already on that route anon
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>Leave a get well soon card and head back to Fuyuki early.
>>4344019
>>4344020
>>4344031
>>4344102
>>4344260

>I want to leave a get well card
>>4344036
>>4344353

>I want to buy a mobile phone still
>>4344039
>>4344044
>>4344069

>I want to buy a phone and a get well soon card
>>4344059
>>4344306
>>4344320

>I think I should probably just go home
>>4344131
>>4344249

This is how I believe the votes currently stand. I've not started to write yet, so if you haven't voted or want to change your vote, you still have time

>>4344325
As humorous as this might be, the actual Kanji for Shinji's name is 慎二, meaning "Modesty" and "Two." Of course, you could have Shinji decide to start calling writing his name as 真司 if you wanted to brag about your power.
But then I might have to start calling your alias SHINJI.
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>>4344400
>SHINJI
How about no?
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>>4344400
Do that. Change the Kanji
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>>4344161
You and me both anon. I just hope there's enough of us for a majority vote.
>>4344389
That depends. Is it cross-compatible? We have a lot of players wanting a lot of different waifus.
>>4344400
>chuuni kanji name
>all-caps romaji name
If it works for canon nasuverse characters it's good enough for me. We definitely aren't modest.
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>>4344400
>>I want to buy a phone and a get well soon card
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>>4344348
>>4344400
>I want to buy a phone and a get well soon card
changing to this
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>>4344400
>But then I might have to start calling your alias SHINJI.
>Grail War starts
>We're patrolling with Shirou and Shiki to find out who's draining people's mana
>Suddenly be attacked by a tanned man with white hair and a bandaged man with white hair
>Their leader steps out from the shadows
>He's got a seaweed mop of white hair
>"Who are you, are you the one's behind the town's mana drain?"
>"Not quite, we're also investigating the drain ourselves. Since we're after the same objective why don't we join forces for now, forge a truce?"
>"Fine, we'll work together for now at least."
>"Excellent, shall we be off then?"
>"Hold on, we don't even know your names."
>"Ah I apologise. This is EMIYA and SHIKI. And my name's SHINJI."
>"Huh that's weird. This is Emiya and Shiki. And my name's Shinji."
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>>4344396
All I'm saying is that Shirou's development of UBW stem from him being too shit to do anything else. If you give him an option to be able to do the basic magecraft, he'd have no motivation to develop his own of doing things when the orthodox way would work for him.

For all the idiocy that is involved with the whole circuit creation involve, it becomes kind of the foundation of who Shirou is. He's someone who would still do things he believes is right even if it amounts to nothing or if it's painful.
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>>4344039
>>4344400
>I want to buy a phone and a get well soon card
Changing vote.
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>>4344463
just seems like we just push him towards the route that netted him UBW also uh, Prisma Illya Shirou learned basic magecraft and still got UBW
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>>4344389
>NBR
w-wew.
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>>4344498
Let's disregard that whole deal where he shoved Archer's card up his ass so hard that he turned brown
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>>4344555
no shit, Shirou learned UBW extremely early because Archer was around him
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>>4344123
I'm sure we can say that we'd have been killed by Zouken if he found out about it, and Sakura would still undergo her treatment because she has shards of the Grail inside her.
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>>4344621
also like, we couldn't really do anything, Kerry is dying, Rin is too young and inexperienced, Kirei is Kirei, logically, our best choice is to take it into our own hands but that reasoning probably wouldn't play so well
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>>4344123
3 can keep a secret if 2 are dead, I’d honestly keep it just between Touko and Shinji with Monica knowing some about Shinji’s condition

Only make reveal once we can fight off any potential enemies, and even then I’d rather not tell anyone but Sakura

But what do I know, anon are probably just itching to whip out the magical dick and wave it out for everyone to see
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>>4344381
>What's that? He can learn Time Alter? Yeah sure, let Kiritsugu transfer his cursed crest into an unrelated stranger and let see what will kill Shirou first, the rejection or angry manjew's curse.
You underestimate how good touko is with mystic codes.

>>4344463
I'm sure it'll be fine if we open up his circuits for him and then push him toward UBW. If you want to rub EMIYA all over him once the FGW starts we can do that too.
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>>4344638
I'd prefer to keep it secret, only letting those close to us know.

>>4344791
Shirou won't be able to develop UBW if he doesn't go through his autism properly.
He also gains pain resistance due to his training method, so any other won't allow him to fight at his max strength.
Additionally it's not certain EMIYA will even be summoned, and even if he did if they're incompatible then there will be no resonance between the two and Shirou would be just useful for supporting a Servant, if he even has a strong enough desire to attract the Grail's attention as a Master by that point.
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>>4344389
>We are going non-related incest route right?
I'm a little late on this but, no.
Again.
FUCK OLD PUSSY!
NEW ROUTES AND NEW PUSSY ONLY!
Sakura is nice, but beyond making her happy in a platonic brotherly way, fuck that. Saber and Rin weren't really options anyone wants anyway, so talking about them is pointless, but the same applies to them too.
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>>4344851
i disagree
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>>4344840
There's going to be a certain amount of resonance with EMIYA anyways because they're the same person. The goal is to trigger it, get him to siphon some of EMIYA's shit and have him develop his own UBW so EMIYA's doesn't shit out on him.
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>>4344851
Sakura as a love interest is acceptable to me, but I'd prefer to go for Illya.

>>4344864
No, EMIYA is not Shirou in any of the routes.
They simply have the same beginning.
If their experiences are that different there will be no resonance at all.
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>>4344855
And you have every right to.
My point still stands.
There are too many potential waifus to waste time on gals you can romance in the original VN.
A world of possibilities and we're expected to stick to the same pussy we've always had because it's got a tinge of incest now? I think not!
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>>4344866
Dude, they are literally called "closer than identical twins." Shirou is EMIYA is Shirou. They are the same fucking person.
The only person that excuse would work on is Nameless and even then, it's only because while he's still Shirou Emiya he's not -this- Shirou Emiya.
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>>4344866
You won't see me rage over Sakura winning the Shinji bowl, at the end of the day she's a good girl and if we had multiple shots at this, I'd love to see a Sakura Route in addition to others. But you'll know me by the words I'll say whenever people try to seriously push it.
NO OLD HOES, NEW PUSSY ONLY!
Illya is a totally valid opinion in my book...but good luck with that.
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>>4344870
all i'm saying is that it seems like an uphill battle to get to Rin and i don't really care if we get Illya or not as long as we save her so Sakura seems like a realistic achievement
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>>4344884
Is Sakura even an achievement, though? We practically already have her with almost zero effort. I want to see Sakura happy, but when it comes to romance I'd rather strive for Illya than settle for Sakura.
>>4344866
Any ideas on how to make it work?
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>>4344884
Sakura isn't an achievement.
If we do our job right, we get Sakura by default.
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>>4344889
I legitimately don't understand the appeal of Illya, am I retarded?
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>>4344898
People like Lolis.
People like Yandere.
Yandere Loli?
Fuckers go CRAZY.
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>>4344898
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I don't see the appeal of Rin, but lots of people like her so I know it's there.
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>>4344900
oh so thats why that one guy doesn't want to save her until the HGW starts
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>>4344905
It makes a twisted sort of sense even when you're not dealing with Yanderes.
Like do you guys think Sakura would be the same shy girl if she didn't get wormed every night? Think Rin would be the same if she didn't go through her own struggles. Who are you without the circumstances of your birth? Would your wife still love you if you were a completely different person? ect ect.
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>>4344902
Rin is capable and loyal
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>>4344876
That was in reference to their bodily compatibility, their magecraft was completely incompatible just because Shirou made one decision that wouldn't fit with EMIYA's magecraft, and he ended up dying after brute forcing it.
For what you are suggesting it is completely impossible to absorb any experience from archer if he's summoned and we interfere with Shirou's development in any way.

>>4344889
There are three main ways I can see depending on how the following years develop:
If we save Kiritsugu or rescue her early we have an easy way to get to know her better, by being someone who was instrumental to her rescue from the Einzbern.
Whether that will lead to a romance is dependent on many things, but if we go for it it has a strong possibility of success.

Or if we make an alliance with the Einzbern to get rid of Gilgamesh we could try to get closer to her using it as an excuse.
Though I'm not confident in the success of this method, because I feel Illya would act very coldly towards us due to her complete faith that Herakles would be able to handle him.
And if we tell them that Herakles isn't strong enough they may go the route of the Third War and try to summon another god instead, and that would fuck the 5th war something fierce.

But if we can't or don't do either of those, and she shows up to the HGW as she does canonically, we'd have to meet with and survive several encounters with her and her Servant, and go to the park to meet her during the day.
We'd have to prove to her we can keep promises, be honest, and be there for her if things end up this way to earn her trust.
If it's possible at this point, and our reality marble will regenerate our body, then we could also go the route of trying to get closer to her while surviving her attempts to kill us by letting her attacks hit and living anyway.
It could be taken as a show of our sincerity and capability, and if we're nice enough to her she should be somewhat accepting of our presence, and our relationship could develop from there.

Whatever we decide to do though, she will need the Third Sorcerer to survive her 22nd birthday, so Shinji figuring out how to accomplish that should be a goal regardless.
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>>4344881
Watching for those Taiga and Ayako flags.
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>>4344945
Don't forget Monica and Sacchin!
Got plenty of options that aren't the main 3.
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>>4344933
Dude, the only thing you know for sure is that it makes Shirou incompatible with EMIYA's UBW. He could still resonate and draw from EMIYA's experience because they're the same person.

Opening Shirou's circuits and pushing his autism would probably work out fine if you don't want to give him basic magecraft training, even if we have to do it without telling him. All it'd do is give him better quality circuits.
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>>4344933
Anons are going to try to save Kerry no matter what so I have no comment on that. We'll see if it plays out.
>Or if we make an alliance with the Einzbern to get rid of Gilgamesh we could try to get closer to her using it as an excuse.
This could be fun, but like you I'm worried it would be an all-business relationship and she'd probably look down on us as being less useful than Berserker.
>But if we can't or don't do either of those, and she shows up to the HGW as she does canonically, we'd have to meet with and survive several encounters with her and her Servant, and go to the park to meet her during the day. We'd have to prove to her we can keep promises, be honest, and be there for her if things end up this way to earn her trust.
This is what I plan on voting for myself, since I feel like it probably has the best chance of working. It's just a gut feeling though. If we end up approaching her at the park do you think we could use the fact that Sakura will be the real Matou master in the war to our advantage and get past her emotional defenses by acting like a third party? Just someone worried about and interested in this girl outside of the context of the grail war? She wouldn't get any command seal reaction from us.
>If it's possible at this point, and our reality marble will regenerate our body, then we could also go the route of trying to get closer to her while surviving her attempts to kill us by letting her attacks hit and living anyway. It could be taken as a show of our sincerity and capability, and if we're nice enough to her she should be somewhat accepting of our presence, and our relationship could develop from there.
I absolutely love this idea and 100% want to go for it if our power allows. It's a wonderful contrast between us and canon Shinji, it lines us up for a point of similarity with the other being she relies on Berserker, it's just perfect. There's just the question of whether it's possible. I certainly hope so.
>Whatever we decide to do though, she will need the Third Sorcerer to survive her 22nd birthday, so Shinji figuring out how to accomplish that should be a goal regardless.
I've been working with the assumption that this is our #2 goal after saving Shinji and Sakura from Zouken. Definitely agree we need to go for it the 3rd.
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>>4344945
Why would you want to break up the beautiful love between Ayako and Rider, anon? That's like coming between Saber and Shirou.
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>>4344955
I don't know enough about Satsuki, but I like big sis/auntie MurderCake well enough.
>>4344966
Those chains of fate have already been broken! Any Servant attached to Shinji will never want for mana. The only way to make it happen now is to seduce both of them.
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>>4344974
we could've romanced the time traveling shotacon but no, we chose her sister who hates small children instead
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>>4344974
>I don't know enough about Satsuki
This is a GREAT time to learn about her! With fresh eyes and an open heart!
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>>4344981
On the one hand, Shinji isn't going to be small forever. On the other, that's not true with time travel. Hard choice.
>>4344986
I get the feeling she's a horrible person. Let's aim to help with that.
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>>4344989
>I get the feeling she's a horrible person.
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>>4344989
we could live forever (or really fucking long) without Dead Apostle fuckery with Aoko, just sayin
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>>4344945
ayako is for minori taiga is for BIG MAKIRI COCK
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>>4344992
It's OK Sacchin you'll get your route when the Tsukihime remake comes out.
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>>4345020
When is the release date? Any rumour?
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>>4344992
Horrible girls deserve attention too. That's how they become better girls.
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>>4345036
>Horrible girls deserve attention too.
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>>4345038
I, for one, am really looking forward to meeting up with Sacchin once a year.
Should be nice!
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>>4345038
Sacchin is the best waifu.
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>>4345034
As soon as Nasu decides to stop spending time on FFXIV.
>>4345038
It's OK Sacchin, you still have the best anti air in fighting game history.
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"Well, I was thinking of maybe buying a mobile phone. With you with me, they wouldn't dare turn me down. How about you also get a phone, Monica-san?" Being able to keep in touch with her without having to call up her office when she isn't around would be really quite useful, and as she isn't a magus, then having her carry around

"A phone? No thanks, Shinji-kun. As useful as it might be for me to actually keep one of them on my person, I've already gone through three already. My magecraft wrecks havoc on all kinds of electronics. It's bad enough making sure the phone in the office doesn't get fried, never mind having one in my pocket." Drat! You hadn't thought of that, though you suppose whatever forces she manipulates for her magecraft would likely end up having side-effects that would end up ruining all sorts of electrical equipment. Yeah. Maybe not then. Well, you'll be able to get one for Sakura at least, that way she can talk with you even when you're out of town, if she wants to. Maybe even getting one for Shirou would be useful too.

Of course, getting one for Rin would be a completely pointless endeavor. The girl is... very much a modern magus when it comes to her approach to technology. You're pretty sure that you would be able to make her think she was being targeted by an enemy magus if you just kept shining a laser pen at her from afar... Maybe when you're in high-school. If you did that to the child Rin, you would probably just feel terrible about bullying a child.

It really is unfortunate about Monica's magecraft stopping her from getting her own mobile though. "That's a shame, Monica-san. Would you mind if I called your office just to talk from time to time anyway though?" You still do want to build a good relationship with this woman, after all. Of course you have Touko now, but having somebody willing to take on contracts for you like Monica is still a great boon. You don't know when exactly you might find yourself in need of her services, but you might even be able to have her secure a Catalyst for you for the Holy Grail War.
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"Of course not!" The woman looks a little awkward after agreeing so quickly. "I... I mean I wouldn't mind if you did, but it's up to you, at the end of the day?" She doesn't sound too convinced at her own attempt to recover, and you can tell that she feels just a little odd about having such a good relationship with a boy as young as you. You can imagine her confusion at just how good you are at conversing as well as her inability to properly defend herself against the charm the body of a cute child holds. Of course, something like being considered 'cute' is a matter of individual taste... Doesn't seem to have been a problem for you so far though. Well, your appearance did seem to work fairly well when it comes to somewhat charming Aoko and Monica, but it didn't really seem to have much of an effect when it came to Touko. Though that may just be as a result of Touko's less easily exploitable personality. You still managed to get what you wanted in the end, you suppose. But when it came to Touko, it felt less like you were manipulating, and more that you were the one being manipulated. What a frightening woman your Shishou is.

"Then it's settled! I'll try to call you once a week at least, OK, Monica-san?" You give her the most charming smile you can manage. Though improving your relationship with Monica is really more of a long term goal, it's one that you are quite enjoying. "But we should probably set off to the shopping district now. Oh! I'll still need to get a card for my friend, Shiki-kun. He's not got many friends, after all, and is probably lonely in hospital."

"Let's go then, Shinji-kun. There's no sense in wasting daylight." Yeah, especially not in a town like this one. You're not in the town twenty four hours and a Dead Apostle just appears to attack you? Yeah, this really is Misaki Town. The town where your friend can be bitten by a vampire and actually be one of the 30 people in world who skip the other stages of vampirism and leap straight to the final point. What are the odds on that exactly? One in two hundred million? Why aren't you the lucky one, Sacchin? Well unfortunately all of your luck must've been used up after that particular payout.

Going shopping for a phone thankfully proceeds smoothly and quickly, and you end up picking up a really quite primitive flip phone for yourself. You end up getting one for Shirou and one for Sakura too, even if it isn't cheap, it's not like money is really an issue for you right now. Nor has money ever really been an issue for you, actually. You suppose that at least is a merit to being a member of the wealthy Matou family. Even if you loathe Zouken for what he's doing and what he intends to do. That worm will die and if not by your hand, then by Sakura's.
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Thoughts of murdering your own ancestor can be put aside for now though. As they aren't exactly conducive to finding Shiki a good get well soon card. It's a shame that he'll still be with Aoko by the time you get to the hospital, but you suppose it's probably for the best. Merely signing off the card with 'Shinji Matou.' ought to be enough to get him to trust you in the future with greater ease. Now that you've practically confirmed this world to be some bizarre impossible mesh of Tsukihime and Fate, you might just want to interfere in the plot of Tsukihime. Of course, saving Satsuki is a given, but preventing Nrvnqsr's massacre of the hotel somehow would really put you in Ciel's good books. It's not like the events of Tsukihime could really end with the world ending, even if the heroes should fail... Well, a worst case scenario where the weakened Arcueid is absorbed by Nrvnqsr might end up bringing about something close to the end of the world. God damn it! Nrvnqsr is just the mid boss! Why the hell did Nasu make him so stupidly powerful anyway? He's a genuinely bigger threat than Roa!

You frown as you recall just how strong some of the Twenty-seven Dead Apostle Ancestors actually are. You've now got to include over twenty potential enemy factors into your plans. What happens if the Grail War attracts the attention of one of the Ancestors? Things would quickly become a disaster, that much is certain. Thoughts on the potential problems arising just from the foundation this world is built on don't stop you from picking out a nice card for Shiki. There's a black cat on the front cover. Some might consider that unlucky, but Shiki will probably think it's fine.

After you pay for the card and head out of the shop, Monica absentmindedly flips a 100 yen coin in her hand as she's apparently quite bored with the shopping trip. You've hardly even been in the district for thirty minutes, and she's already acting impatient with you? Weren't girls supposed to love shopping? Can she really not just go and find some clothing store to ogle? "Well, you've got both your phone and your card now, Shinji-kun. So we may as well head to the hospital next, right?" She's not wrong, you suppose. The earlier you finish up this last errand, the sooner you can start heading home. It's not like there's anything else you can do in this city now unless you want to try to invoke Shishou's wrath by going after her sister after agreeing to be her apprentice.

The walk to the hospital feels like it takes longer than it actually does, but in reality, it's no longer a trip than the one from the hotel to the shopping district. It's just the path you need to take to get to the hospital is quite a meandering path through alleyways and busy roads.
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Eventually though, the two of you finally make it to the hospital, and you immediately notice and recognize a girl with a red ribbon in her black hair and a rather delicate looking dress, she's probably only about a year younger than you and yet she's yelling really quite angrily at a nurse at the front desk of the hospital "What do you mean I'm not allowed to see my brother?! Don't you know who I am?" That voice could only belong to a one Akiha Tohno. Is she being prevented from visiting her brother? Her father was probably the one who forbade her from visiting Shiki while he was in hospital, otherwise the girl likely would never have left his side. She did give Shiki half of her life to save him, after all.

>Ignore the girl and just sneak into the hospital with Monica. Have her hypnotize somebody to find Shiki's room if you have to.
>Try to get involved in the argument to help Akiha. Put some of that boyish charm of yours to good work against the receptionist.
>Ask Monica to hypnotize the receptionist into letting Akiha visit Shiki, even if the boy isn't in the hospital, it ought to ingratiate the girl to you.
>Screw it. Set off the fire-alarm.
>Write-in...
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>>4345150
You really want us to pull a fire alarm don't you?
>Try to get involved in the argument to help Akiha. Put some of that boyish charm of yours to good work against the receptionist.
If only to rank up our charisma.
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>>4345150
>Try to get involved in the argument to help Akiha. Put some of that boyish charm of yours to good work against the receptionist.
Lets fucking grind our charisma fellas and if that doesn't work, well uh, we still have hypnotism and a fire alarm
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>>4345150
Get into argument
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>>4345150
>>Try to get involved in the argument to help Akiha. Put some of that boyish charm of yours to good work against the receptionist.
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>>4345138
>You don't know when exactly you might find yourself in need of her services, but you might even be able to have her secure a Catalyst for you for the Holy Grail War
So do you guys want to try to summon something? I have no interest in it personally, that can get really unpredictable really fucking quick
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>>4345150
>Ignore the girl and just sneak into the hospital with Monica. Have her hypnotize somebody to find Shiki's room if you have to.
I could be wrong but it feels like Shiki not being isolated during his time at the hospital will totally screw up the events of Tsukihime. He meets Aoko every day for some time before getting the mystic eye killers and his inner monologue makes it pretty clear he wouldn't be doing that if anyone actually visited him in the hospital. A card is one thing but giving him his sister could completely destroy the situation.
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>>4345150
>Ignore the girl and just sneak into the hospital with Monica. Have her hypnotize somebody to find Shiki's room if you have to.
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>>4345168
I thought he only talked to her like once at the fields of Misaki Town
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>>4345171
Nope. The Tsukihime prologue said he met her every day in that field for I think a couple of weeks. He doesn't make the amount of time clear but it's definitely not just one day. The first scene with her ends with him getting all broken up about being alone again and her saying "see you tomorrow," then they meet an unspecified number of times, then he shows off the MeoDP by cutting down a tree, then she gives him the mystic eye killers.
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>>4345173
what the fuck was Aoko doing in Misaki Town for a couple of weeks
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>>4345150
>>Try to get involved in the argument to help Akiha. Put some of that boyish charm of yours to good work against the receptionist.
i agree with the charisma comments above however I dont think we should do everything based on quantified traits
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>>4345171
He actually keeps running off to go meet with her.
Don't question how the anemic ten year old who was only just critically injured somehow manages to keep escaping the hospital every day for hours.
Chalk it up to his Nanaya genetics and his subconscious training because honestly, unless the doctors just don't care, I have no clue how he kept getting away from the hospital.
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>>4345173
Oh, and I should mention that he only sneaks out of the hospital and runs to that field in the first place because he's freaking out about how he's isolated and his family won't visit him and nobody believes him about the lines he sees. So if he gets some sympathy he might not get the mystic eye killers.
>>4345175
No idea. I'm just telling you what I read in the VN.
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>>4345179
yeah thats really weird how they just kinda keep letting him do that, i feel like after the 3rd or 4th time, they would've strapped him to the bed

>>4345182
I kinda wanna know wtf Aoko is doing now
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>>4345179
These are the same doctors who don't believe in mystic eyes, but do believe that a critically injured child was able to cut his bed in half all on his own.
I wouldn't trust them with my medical care.
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>>4345175
Going off of Mahoyo, the Aozaki have been in control of Misaki Town (at least magically) for centuries. Also it was where Aoko grew up and went to school.
Of course, the Mahoyo timeline and the Tsukihime timeline don't add up perfectly under normal circumstances.
In fact, during Mahoyo, Touko actually got cursed to be unable to return to Misaki Town for ten years.
She then got rid of the curse in one year by killing herself and switching to a spare puppet body.

>>4345184
>they would've strapped him to the bed
They can't do that, he already cut the bed to pieces and wouldn't tell them how he did it.

>>4345188
I like to imagine that they were forced to replace all the beds in the hospital sometime after that incident.
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>>4345184
Grooming
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alright well since Tsukihime is going to be the penultimate adventure before the HGW, I guess i gotta read the vn or manga now so I don't fuck anything up with my votes

>>4345192
Okay so what i'm hearing is that Misaki Town is actually the place we can go to that might lead us back to the Aozaki sisters, so I should jot that down

>>4345194
She kinda fucked that up when Shiki became of age and didn't do anything to him
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>>4345150
>Ignore the girl and just sneak into the hospital with Monica. Have her hypnotize somebody to find Shiki's room if you have to.
Shiki only runs off because how lonely he is, if Akiha's there the chances of him meeting Aoko and learning about his eyes plummets.
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>>4345216
well he's already meeting her so...
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>>4345216
Wouldn't giving him a card fuck with it too, if that's the case.
If anything we just tell him to keep meeting with Aoko.
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>>4345150
>Ask Monica to hypnotize the receptionist into letting Akiha visit Shiki, even if the boy isn't in the hospital, it ought to ingratiate the girl to you.

I'd prefer to hypnotize her because it's the longer lasting option, and would allow her to visit multiple times.
Even if we convince the receptionist now, she may be barred from visiting again in the future.

>>4345216
We can just tell him to meet with Aoko anyway, or we could give him some mystic eye killers from Touko after we apprentice under her for a bit.
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>>4345235
Hypnotism is the most basic skill of a Magus and we have Touko as a teacher now plus a year of training before we go back to Misaki Town so...
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>Try to get involved in the argument to help Akiha. Put some of that boyish charm of yours to good work against the receptionist.
Gotta grind charisma
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>>4345241
Am I missing something here?
Shiki doesn't spend years in the hospital right?
Or did he and I've forgotten?
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>>4345254
apparently he spends a few weeks since he keeps running away to go see Aoko
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>>4345268
He doesn't spend years in the hospital, I'm pretty sure it's just a few months.
If we're going to hypnotize the receptionist it would need to be done now.
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>>4345274
why would we even need to comeback? We have like a day before we have to leave for Fuyuki again, plus if we fuck up, we can just get Monica to hypnotize her, not like the option is locked away if we try to charm our way out of this situation
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>>4345150
>Try to get involved in the argument to help Akiha. Put some of that boyish charm of yours to good work against the receptionist.
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>>4345286
We're leaving today or tomorrow.
There are several ways the situation could get screwy.
Akiha gets fed up and leaves.
The receptionist calls for backup.
Whoever took Akiha here comes inside looking for her.

If we just start out by hypnotizing her we eliminate the possibility of something going wrong, and she wasn't there in the receptionist area when Shiki came back, so something happened to her that prevented their meeting.
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>>4344956
You keep thinking they're the same person. They aren't.
The reason Shirou could resonate with EMIYA is because he had the same origin point at the beginning of the VN, but as the war progresses he becomes less and less like EMIYA, and during HF can't even use his magecraft without blowing himself up due to how different they are.
We've already interfered with this Shirou's development by introducing our self and Sakura, and including you, many anons want to further interfere with his life.
If EMIYA is summoned again he won't have anyone to resonate with because this Emiya Shirou will be a completely different person who he only shares his body and the first 10 years of his life with.
It's also already been stated that his faulty magecraft technique developed tracing as a result, so if that's removed the only way Shirou will be able to use swords is by self-injury or deploying his reality marble, and given there won't be any resonance it will be empty and useless.

>>4344960
>If we end up approaching her at the park do you think we could use the fact that Sakura will be the real Matou master in the war to our advantage and get past her emotional defenses by acting like a third party? Just someone worried about and interested in this girl outside of the context of the grail war? She wouldn't get any command seal reaction from us.
Each of the 3 families get Command Seals, and as we are genetically a Matou we're more likely to obtain the command seals than Sakura is, especially if we get rid of Zouken so he can't direct them to Sakura instead of himself when the war starts.
But even if we don't get command seals for some reason, I doubt she'd take it well if we lie to her about not knowing the truth about her while chatting her up and getting closer to her, she knows the Matou are one of the 3 founding families so she would be highly suspicious of Shinji not knowing anything about what's going on.

I think it's completely possible that our power could allow it, Shirou's UBW would help heal him when he took damage, and our power is especially suited to rewriting the limits of reality.
The challenge here will definitely be the proper formation/access to our Reality Marble, or a sufficiently advanced knowledge of the Truth element to heal our self from fatal wounds.
If Sakura has already been implanted with Zouken's core worm, then we'll need to learn how to do this anyway in order to save her.

I'm looking forward to seeing in-character Shinji's thoughts on how to go about making Illya the Third Sorcerer, I think it will be a significant conundrum for him.
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>This is a sneaking mission
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>Brainwashing Detective Monica
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>>4345578
>I'm looking forward to seeing in-character Shinji's thoughts on how to go about making Illya the Third Sorcerer, I think it will be a significant conundrum for him.
Right now Shinji doesn't know if the Third Magic is the only way for them to save Illya. After all, depending on how things go in the grail war, you might be able to use Avalon to prolong her life, or ask Caster to see what she can do. Touko is relatively close to reaching the Third Magic just through her mastery of puppets, according to Prelati. So you might even be able to ask her for assistance in the matter. Of course, there's also the element of Truth, which currently has rather uncertain limits.
Also, the Fifth True Magic could almost certainly save Illya in it's own way.
You just need to find Aoko and convince her to use the Fifth is all.
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>>4345696
Aoko does show up in Misaki at the end of Tsukihime, so finding her in time may not be an issue.