"Sure we will, Sacchin! I'll... I don't know, visit you on your birthday every year maybe?" It's actually a pretty big commitment to make to the girl you just met, but it does provide you with a great cover. If Zouken or Byakuya ask, you can just say you simply went to visit a girl you know from school, and that her mother went to pick you up for a few days in another city. Hell, Byakuya is blackout drunk half of the time and Zouken never bothers talking to you anyway, you can just lie to the two of them about it.

"Really? Well, I live in Misaki's fourth district, 13th block and it's the 24th house, OK? It has a red door." Satsuki tells you her address first, waiting for you to nod your head to confirm that you heard it properly. "And my Birthday is August 15th!" Hmmph, looks like you've missed it this year then. Unfortunate, but you suppose you don't need to come back to Misaki town for a while anyway. Really, though, it is probably a good idea to keep an eye on the town. Especially as you still don't know whether or not the events of Tsukihime are actually going to occur in the world that you occupy. Asking Monica something like 'Have you heard of the White Princess of the True Ancestors?' is just going to look either strange if she has, or unhinged if she hasn't. You're a child and could probably get away with it, but Monica is a pretty discerning person, and would probably press you for more information if she got too suspicious of you. She might like you, but she's not stupid

"Alright, Sacchin! I guess I'll see you then!" You call out to the girl as the two of you part from each other. You make sure to remember her address as she begins to walk away from you and out of the hotel, walking close to her father's side and taking one last peek back at you before vanishing from sight from completely.

You watch her leave the hotel in silence. You... you want to save her from what happens to her, but... can you? Of course, you know from Melty Blood that it truly is possible for Satsuki to survive with her sanity in check even after being turned into a Dead Apostle, and the fact that her route should theoretically exist if Nasu wasn't just lying the entire time about the Tsukihime Remake. "Oh man, have you got a crush on her, Shinji-kun?" You keep staring out the hotel doors in silence until the silence is broken by a teasing voice. You turn to see Monica giving you an equally teasing smile. "You're gonna break a lot of hearts when you grow up if you act like that around too many girls though, Shinji-kun. Just don't be surprised if you end up facing the consequences of doing something like that." Monica's smile is too sweet for what she's actually talking about. It's actually kind of scaring you.

"W-well, I... I guess I'll try... try not to be too friendly around other girls in the future?" The way that the older woman is staring at you chills you to your core, and you feel pressured into agreeing with the woman, even if you don't really intend to follow her advice at all. You'll do what you want, and her advice might come from a good place, but you can't really be expected to follow it. You'll just have to be a little more careful to not make girls fall for you. Especially if it could lead to a dangerous situation. Honestly, things could get a little hairy if Sakura ended up falling for you. Too many of the Type-Moon girls are kind of... dangerous, to have fall in love with you.

"Good boy. Now, lets go get some rest shall we? I'd like to recover some of my energy after having to deal with that vampire earlier." She yawns a little to better emphasize her relative lack of energy. You don't know how much magical energy the woman actually ended up using though, or if she's even tired. But you suppose that it can't hurt to have some rest.

"Right." You agree with the incredibly powerful freelancer. After watching her battle that Dead Apostle, you really can't help but wonder just how her fight against Aoko went down. How did it start? What was the damage like at the end of it? How does Monica stack up to other powerful magi, like Alba, or hell, Touko?

The two of you take the elevator up to the room and with a parting "Good night." from each of you, you both retire to your own bedrooms. You quickly end up falling asleep, seemingly more tired from the length of time and the excitement earlier than you thought you were.

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You dream of a black bubbling sea of mud evaporating into a red mist and the figure of a beast standing within the deep pit of the now emptied ocean. A savage grin appearing on the bestial creature's face as it surveys the surroundings and the piles of corpses belonging to men and women strewn about it, the scattered weapons of those slain victims litter the ground. The smile grows even wider as the overwhelmingly powerful beast brings up a foot, smashing one of the bodies into bloody pulp with ease. Then it looks up at you and smiles. For a moment though, you could swear that the beast doesn't have the smile of the terrifying creature you were watching, but the charming smile of a beautiful girl. Then everything goes dark.

You awake with a start, clutching your head in pain. A nightmare? It felt far too real to have simply been just a nightmare, and most nightmares don't tend to leave you with a splitting headache after they end. You aren't sure what the dream might mean, and you don't know if you can even ask anybody if it might mean anything either. Whatever the meaning of this dream of yours will have to go unanswered for now. You get dressed and enter the small living room of the hotel room, only to find Monica sprawled out on the hotel room sofa and surrounded by empty cans of alcohol. You don't really remember her drinking while she was looking after you two years ago... you wonder what brought about her sudden binge.

"Come on Monica-san! It's time to wake up!" You prod the woman to try to wake her up, only for the woman to show absolutely no response to your attempt to awaken her. She's totally out like a light. Though looking at the woman as she remains completely unresponsive, you begin to wonder if it might be better to just leave her sleeping here and maybe write her a note as to where you went on your own.

Double Vote!
>Try to wake Monica up through less amiable methods and head out with her.
>Wait for Monica to wake up before heading out with her.
>Just leave the hotel room without Monica.
>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
And
>Go looking for Aoko, see if you can find any women with long red hair wandering around in some fields.
>Look for the Tohno Mansion.
>Look for Shiki in hospital.
>Go visit Satsuki as a surprise.
>Just wander around town and hope you run into something interesting.
>Write-in...

>>4338679
>>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
>>Just wander around town and hope you run into something interesting.
>>Write-in...
Buy a damn cell phone or two. I refuse to be constrained by landlines.

>>4338679
How old is Monica? Hope we romance her. Also wait for her and look for something interesting.

>>4338679
>>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
>Just wander around town and hope you run into something interesting.
I agree, let's look for some cellphones.

>>4338679
>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
>Go looking for Aoko, see if you can find any women with long red hair wandering around in some fields.
Honestly, this seems like some sort of set up where you become best bros with Shiki without Monica around

fuck waifu wars, I wanna become bros with Shiki and Shirou

>>4338677
>"You're gonna break a lot of hearts when you grow up if you act like that around too many girls though, Shinji-kun. Just don't be surprised if you end up facing the consequences of doing something like that."
I feel like we're being told something right now

>>4338696
You'd have to ask her or sneak a peek at some form of ID if you wanted an exact age for her, but she looks like she could be anywhere from 22-25 right now.
She looks just a little bit older than when you saw her two years ago.

I would not recommend asking her.

>>4338679
>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
>Just wander around town and hope you run into something interesting.

Ah yes, phones. WhatIsAQM's kyptonite.

>>4338678
>Honestly, things could get a little hairy if Sakura ended up falling for you
Too late

>>4338679
>Mud
>Red mist
>Beast
>Smile of a beautiful girl
Ma-na-ka! Ma-na-ka! Ma-na-ka!
>>4338679
>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
>Go looking for Aoko, see if you can find any women with long red hair wandering around in some fields.
Priorities, priorities, we need someone to help hide active magic circuits. You can buy a cell phone in any city.
>>4338704
Fuck being bros with Shiki and Shirou, I just want waifu wars.

>>4338712
Wonder if we'd still go for her when the war starts. She'd be 30-33.

>>4338718
Yep waifu wars. I want yandere gf

>>4338718
I feel like we're gonna get both with how Monica talked about our romantic endeavors

>>4338727
You'll get a Jurassic Park of yanderes considering the way plot is progressing so far.

>>4338679
>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
Make her a breakfast before going.
And leave her some brine to help with hangover.
>Go looking for Aoko, see if you can find any women with long red hair wandering around in some fields.

>>4338735
So like, is Rin the only mentally stable love interest? Is that it?

>>4338740
Tragic, isn't it?

>>4338679
>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
>Just wander around town and hope you run into something interesting.
More likely to meet Aoko while wandering.

>>4338744
well i'm a Rinfag so eh

>>4338747
We should have a harem of just Rin and Luvia.

>>4338740
She's mentally stable, anon, but not a love interest for anyone but Shirou.

>>4338749
Shirou is for Saber only anon, its been discussed, and there isn't enough room for Rin in Avalon

>>4338718
Wait a fucking secong

>Manaka

>Monica being more powerful than expected

Nah im sure its nothing but damn if the phonetics are not close.

>>4338753
UBW Good, anon, is this news to you? It's the happiest ending for Shirou. Don't you want him to be happy?

>>4338740
From Fate/Stay Night?
Pretty much.
You could make an argument for Saber until you realise she's basically fighting to erase herself from ever having existed.
Mitsuzuri I suppose is mentally stable, but she's not exactly a love interest.
Taiga is also (debatably) mentally stable.
As for Tsukihime, both near-side heroines are pretty stable people... usually.
Far-side makes up for that though.

>>4338714
Yes, this is where I reveal that a butterfly effect causes mobile communication to never take off.
I wish.
Well I don't think you'll be able to mess with things too much just by getting a phone.

>>4338756
Last Episode is Shirou's best ending anon, he never gives up on his dreams and Saber never gives up on waiting for him, clearly the best

>>4338762
He has to fail at his dreams for a lifetime first. Being together with Rin and Saber while still alive and having a fulfilling youth is the happiest ending for Shirou. Search your heart, you know it's true.

>>4338760
Mitsuzuri is in love with Rider, I don't want to ruin their beautiful relationship.

>>4338749
I feel like at some point we either become a machmaker or someone will end up stabbed, probably us.

>>4338760
You will regret giving us a phone, mark my words.

>>4338765
>someone will end up stabbed, probably us
What do you think we're doing all this training for, anyway? To win the war? Naive! It's to survive the far harsher battleground of our postwar harem.

>>4338763
how does he fail for a lifetime? He succeeded enough to the point where he broke through something that was beyond True Magic

>>4338765
Yeah Sakura is gonna stab us

>>4338769
You think he did that in a snap? Fate Shirou isn't that different from the original one in Archer's timeline. As a result, he must've gone through all the same hardships as Archer, and just have taken enough willpower from his experience in the war to endure it all. A lifetime of suffering exchanged for a happy end may be touching, but it's heavily undercut by the fact that we know he can get that same happiness at 18 if he just makes the right choices.

Waifu wars are and will always be, overrated.
Making a genuine positive difference in the world? Ensuring everyone waifu ends up happy? Hanging out with the boys after a long day of doing good? Now that's what makes my pp become PP.

>>4338774
happiness for eternity with Shirou's one true waifu is better than however many decades he's gonna spend with Rin and Saber

>>4338679
>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
>Just wander around town and hope you run into something interesting.

>>4338783
you get it anon

>>4338785
>happiness for eternity with Shirou's one true waifu
He doesn't even meet Sakura in Last Episode.

>>4338760
you fix saber in the end

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>>4338791
>>4338785
>Sakura
>Saber
You're both wrong, because I'm afraid another would take the role as most important person to Shirou if they were ever to meet.

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>>4338808
>Sakura
>Saber
I know who Shirou's most perfect waifu is.

>>4338679
>Wait for Monica to wake up before heading out with her.
>Look for Shiki in hospital.
Going out alone seems like a dumb idea when we know shit like vampires are after us. But maybe I'm just being paranoid

>>4338839
well its daytime so...

>>4338839
It's fine, we're leaving her a note.
>Dear Monica. Went out to explore the town. Decided to let you sleep in. Will be back later if not kidnapped by vampires. -Shinji

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>>4338679
>>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
>>Look for Shiki in hospital.
Its another step on why we came here. Today needs to be the business day since we leave no later than midday tomorrow.
>>4338850
That's some straight up Monster Squad note writing.

>Leave with a note.
>>4338686
>>4338700
>>4338701
>>4338701
>>4338714
>>4338718
>>4338736
>>4338745
>>4338786
>>4338881

>Wait for her to wake up
>>4338696
>>4338839
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>Wander
>>4338686
>>4338700
>>4338696
>>4338714
>>4338745
>>4338786

>Look for Aoko
>>4338701
>>4338701
>>4338718
>>4338736

>Look for Shiki
>>4338839
>>4338881

Now that is an unexpected turnout!
Well then, I'm going to enjoy this.

>>4338881
"Today needs to be the business day" was my thinking as well, which is why I voted to look for Aoko. Do you mind telling me why you feel it's a good idea to prioritize Shiki? It seems to me like he can't really do anything for us right now and doesn't need our help in any way, whereas we could really benefit from finding Aoko.
Or are you suggesting that we meet Aoko by sticking with Shiki, since she's guaranteed to show up and meet him at some point?

>>4338932
>Well then, I'm going to enjoy this.
Oh god damn it, this isn't gonna end well is it?

>>4338932
>Well then, I'm going to enjoy this.
you guys fucked up i fucking hate you wanderer voters, we're gonna get eaten now

If we get dead end do we get claire sensei lesson or taiga's?

>>4338934
You've got part of the right of it. I don't know enough about Tsukihime to really weigh one character or skill set over the other. But I'm trusting the insights of others on this and amending my decisions around it.

Shiki seems like he'll be good to have as at least an acquaintance at some point. Now is as good a time as any to introduce ourselves and make a good first impression. If we run into Aoko at the same time, that's great. Otherwise we might be able to hedge on coming up between the two of them at some point which can create a deeper connection than just hunting for Aoko.

tl;dr, Aoko knows who Shinji is. If she wants to find him, she can, and it makes the relationship reciprocal rather than one-sided.
Creating opportunities for that to happen either now or in the future seems better use of time than hunting for Aoko.

>>4338704
Become sentai rangers
>Shirou Magus red
>Shinji Magus Blue
>Shiki Magus Black
>Emiya Magus Gyaru

>>4338679
>Leave the hotel room and write a note for Monica.
>Go looking for Aoko, see if you can find any women with long red hair wandering around in some fields.

>>4338754
Manaka was a Prodigy of a Magus being a notoriously quick study in most things it's not impossible that she could change her appearance

Watch us get kidnaped by a dead apostle lmao
Shouldn't have gone alone, especially if you're going to wander around such a dangerous city

>>4338767
>Every Waifu has a Knaifu or even a Raifu
how are we going to survive bros

>>4338987
All Fiction bro

I really don't understand the motivation of the "Just wander around the city and see what happens" vote. We came here with a specific goal in mind and now you want to just kill time like we're waiting around for someone to make shit happen for us? Why?

>>4338999
Some anons think that thats the best way to meet Aoko? I mean, more power to them but we have one more day before we gotta get back home or else Sakura will get mad

>>4338679
>Wait for Monica to wake up before heading out with her.
>Look for Shiki in hospital.

>>4338979
>>4339027
I think you guys are a bit late.

>>4338999
anons are retarded. In this quest so far we have had 9 different waifu wars without any quest prompt for a waifu, some autist conjecting the supposed nature of shinji's possesor, which according to him may be an african god, or some fuck spamming about how we cant save illya because that would ruin her somehow. We are weak as sticks but together we form a mighty faggot.

>>4339084
We're gonna get so many fucking Bad Ends holy fuck

>>4339084
>we cant save illya because that would ruin her somehow
Can we compromise and save her after the war starts? I don't see why it has to be all or nothing.

>>4339084
>shinji's possesor, which according to him may be an african god
Holy fucking hell, I missed that last thread. My sides are in orbit.

>>4339113
Yeah, dude was all over the place. Total nut job

>>4339110
that one anon he's talking about didn't want to save her before the war started

>>4339122
That's my point. Anon one wants to save her and give her a happy end. Anon two doesn't want her childhood to be changed. Seems like if we can save her during the war then everybody's happy.

>>4338999
It's the same idea behind voting to go on the train.
Actively looking for Aoko won't let us find her. Wandering around, getting lost, and potentially getting ourselves in danger?
Great way to draw her out.

>>4339110
>>4339124
>We can't save Illya before the war, she has to get all these mental traumas and scars from her shit life otherwise it won't count.
That's why. Fuck that guy. Fuck letting Illya suffer that shit.

>>4339144
Saving girl/Making them happy >>>> Waifuing them

>>4339144
yeah fuck that, I would rather save Illya and have no chance of being with her than romancing her but having her deal with those mental traumas

>>4339117
Where do you think you are? This site has been a haven for schizos and autists for years

So >>4339144 refuses to compromise because he's having too much fun with the argument, >>4339147 wants to be Shirou 2.0, and >>4339149 is an avowed rinfag.
I don't care how we make it happen, for the record, as long as we can get her yan for Shinji.

>>4339157
I'm more of a Saberfag but yeah

>>4339158
>>4338747
>well i'm a Rinfag so eh
I guess what you really are is a little indecisive, huh?
I only like yanderes, so I'll gladly pass the both of them to Shirou for his happy future.

>>4339157
>I don't care how we make it happen, for the record
Save Kerry. That's your best bet to get an Illya route going.

>>4339161
During this quest, I'm going for Rin, when i read the VN, its Saber, as Saber is only for Shirou

>>4339163
Reversing gravity might be the most effective way to fly, but people still use airplanes even though they're clunky and expensive. I think we'll have an easier time squeezing a camel through the eye of a needle than bringing the old jerk back to life, but if you want to try it I'll watch how it plays out.

>>4339170
There are enough Sabers for everyone anon.

>>4339170
>not taiga
You’re missing out really. Rin is such an obvious choice. I’m down for Illya as well but taiga is just too interesting (and sexy)

>>4339188
idk anon, I'd be with you but she so clearly carries a torch for Kerry even long after he died, you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Also I think she has a thing for Waver too, they hungout

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Think there's a way to get Arc to take her princess form again?

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>>4339193
Idk I think Arc looks super cool in her big sweater normally.

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>>4339193
>>4339201
Guys, guys. You're both wrong. White Moon Princess Phantasmoon is obviously the best.

>>4339188
>>4339192
I'm all about trying to get in good with Taiga though I understand if it doesn't work out. Surviving and improvement should be primary goals, but it's nice to dream.

>>4339206
Yeah I agree. I just want that sweet sweet yakuza wife

>>4339222
I just want Taiga to keep her ponytail, short hair makes her look way older than she is.

Looking at Monica as she so peacefully sleeps on the sofa makes you feel like disturbing her wouldn't be right. Seeing how she's gone to sleep on the sofa like that, you doubt that anything you do would really have much effect anyway. It looks like nothing short of dunking a bucket of water on the freelancer's head would awaken her, and you're running on too short a time limit to just spend however long waiting for her to arise from her slumber naturally.

You instead get a pen and a notepad and write Monica a note in order to let the freelancer carry on sleeping. Honestly, hiring Monica to come along with you has already paid off for you incredibly well.

'You were asleep and I didn't want to disturb you. I've decided to go ahead and see if I can fulfill my goal in the city alone. See you soon!

-Shinji.'

You leave the hotel room and begin descending to the streets below. It's daytime right now, so it's not like you have much to fear from Dead Apostles, should they even still be pursuing you, then the sunlight will be a better repellent than anything else. If you recall correctly, only a few of the most powerful of the Dead Apostles, the Dead Apostle Ancestors, had methods to survive the sunlight. Really, if a vampire on the level of an Ancestor were to suddenly decide to begin pursuing you, it's not like Monica would be able to deal with them with as much ease as she dealt with that Constance fellow. If a Dead Apostle Ancestor did show up in the town, your only real hope is that Aoko would deal with it, or that Kouma decides that it would give him a good fight or something.

You really have no idea what it is that gives you the urge to just wander the streets of Misaki Town alone. By all rights, even with the cover of the sun, this town is unbelievably dangerous to just wander around in. Between the fact that it seems to attract the supernatural like nothing else, it's also home to a clan of mixed-bloods who at literally any moment could lose themselves to an inversion impulse and become more akin to the Oni they share their blood with than humans. The thing that does strike you as odd however, is that the prominent Oni Servants, namely Shuten and Ibaraki, seem to be affable enough. Perhaps it's something to do with the mixed-bloods being less in control of their emotions than a true Oni, who are born with the immensely overpowering instincts that the mixed-bloods share yet have their entire lives to get used to such emotions. Or maybe Nasu forgot. Probably wouldn't be the first time.

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Still, you can't just wander about the town without any sort of destination in mind. So you start looking for an electronics shop. You've got the cash on you to easily buy yourself a top of the range phone. Though what counts as 'top of the range' in the 90s to somebody with knowledge of smart-phones is pretty sad. Still, you have at least some sort of destination in mind now, so you begin to weave your way through the streets of Misaki Town, looking for wherever their shopping district is.

Eventually you manage to happen upon a sign that gives you the information you need, and you quickly commit it to memory in case you ever need to find your way around this town again. You arrive at a sleepy looking shopping district, it's apparently not yet late enough in the day for there to be many people buying anything yet, just a few people out buying some groceries.

You get a little distracted as you walk past some of the shops, smiling at some of the adverts in a computer shop advertising the speed of their computers or the graphical quality of their bulky looking monitors. You're so distracted by looking at the displays in the shop that you completely stop looking where you are going, and collide with a smoking woman as she walks out of the convenience store next door to the computer shop.

Despite you walking into the reddish-brown haired woman with quite some speed, she doesn't even budge. As if she hardly even registers the impact. Though it's pretty clear that she does notice you, as her harsh looking eyes glare down at you. You freeze in fear at the woman's glare and terror grips your body at the realization of just who it is you managed to bump into. Touko Aozaki.

The woman casually takes the cigarette out of her mouth in order to speak "Hey... Shouldn't you be in school? Where are your parents, kid?" Despite her harsh glare, her words are actually fairly kind and concerned for your education, apparently.

"I don't really feel like I should have to attend lessons if I'm more intelligent and well-studied than my teachers. It's just a waste of time." You tell Touko the truth as you try to look less terrified of the fierce glare of the woman. You remind yourself that she's not actually angry and it's just her natural disposition to look terrifying when she isn't wearing her glasses. "As for my parents, my mother was killed when I was very young and my father is a rampant alcoholic." you are perfectly honest with Touko. Really, you have to be. This woman isn't as nice as her sister tends to be.

though, and the Grand ranked Clocktower magus looks a little moved for a moment before quickly going back to her usual look. "I can't really argue against either of those points." She sighs as she draws on her cigarette. "Still, kid. You're going to get into trouble if walk around this town without any adult supervision. These streets are pretty dangerous.

"Yeah, tell me about it! Just last night a vampire showed up and tried to buy me!" You may as well drop some of the act and reveal to Touko your knowledge of magecraft. Limited though it might be.

A flat "What?" is all Touko has to say in response to that. It takes her a few seconds to process what you just said before she eventually asks for confirmation "There's a Dead Apostle in this town?" Touko. You have no idea how many Dead Apostles are going to be in this damn town.

"There was, the woman acting as my guardian dealt with him." You say with something of a confident smile, even though Monica isn't actually with you right now and you are in truth completely defenseless against both Dead Apostles and overpowered magi like Touko.

Touko puts a hand to her chin as a brief flash of insight floods through her. "So... that explains what that surge of energy was last night... I was wondering who could've been responsible for outputting such a ridiculous amount of energy." The woman then looks at you with an appraising eye. "So, you're a magus? And you know who I am, I take it?"

"Of course I know who you are! You're probably the best magus in the whole world!" Where feigning ignorance was the course to take for Aoko, the opposite is almost certainly true of her sister. "And... I'm a prospective magus, really. I have... a lot of magic circuits, but I haven't had them activated yet."

"Hmm? Why is that?" She sounds interested in your story, oddly enough. Yet that doesn't stop her from basically breathing smoke all over you. She's not really considerate with those things. Then again, it's not like she can do lasting damage to herself by smoking thanks to her damn puppets.

"Because of Grandfather." It's only for a moment, but there's a faint flinch as you mention the reason why you have held off on activating your magic circuits. "If he realizes that I actually have usable circuits after all, then I don't know what he'll do to me." Well, you have a pretty good idea and it lays somewhere in between 'murder' and 'worm pit'.

Touko frowns as she takes in the information. Taking a while to think before making a decision "You know what. I don't do this for just about anyone, but I'm going to help you out with that circuit problem you're having." Her voice is happy and reassuring, but her eyes are still vicious. God damn this woman

"R-really?" Your words are practically a gasp of disbelief. It's really incredibly odd to you. You set out to Misaki Town with the intention of getting Aoko's help, and you ended up securing the aid of the wrong sister. Not that you're complaining.

"Now, you've made it pretty clear that you already know who I am, but I never got a name for you." Touko asks for your name in a fairly roundabout manner.

"I-it's Shinji. Shinji Matou!" You introduce yourself quickly to the top-ranked magus. Not wanting to test her patience

"Matou? You mean one of the families involved in the four time running disaster in Fuyuki city?" Touko brings up her knowledge of the grail war in an offhanded manner, practically dismissing the entire concept. Not that you can blame her. The try and try again way of going about things clearly hasn't netted the Einzbern the Third. Nor will it ever.

"That's the family. Yes." You have no choice but to answer truthfully to Touko. Unlike Aoko, this woman is incredibly discerning and the slightest hint might be enough to give you away.

"Huh. Well, you're a long way from your home city." Touko seems to smile knowingly as she says that, and for a moment you get a little concerned that you've been caught out, but Touko goes no further on that line of thought before she asks you a question. "So, you want to be a magus, and you say you have magic circuits... But do you know your Elemental Affinity? Or you origin, for that matter? Because I might be able to help you with more than just your circuits." The highly knowledgeable woman offers yet more help.

>I don't, can you help me find them out too?
>I do, my element is water and my origin is absorption (lie)
>I don't but I don't want to find out right now.
>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?
>Write-in...

>>4339312
>>I don't, can you help me find them out too?
>>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?
>>Write-in...
Since she knows we're a magus, let's ask her a few things to sort out the timeline.
>Ask if she knows Shiki Ryougi
>Ask if Dead Apostle Ancestors are real
>Ask if she has a business card we can have.

>>4339303
>Honestly, hiring Monica to come along with you has already paid off for you incredibly well
>Proceeds to leave her behind and go off on his own.
Man, we are just a bundle of competence.

>>4339312
Help me find out too

>>4339312
Okay wander bros, maybe this was a good choice after all
>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?

>>4339312
>>I don't, can you help me find them out too?
>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?

>>4339327
I'm happy. Touko is fucking top tier. If we weren't 10, I'd totally say fuck everything, Touko route.

>>4339312
>I don't, can you help me find them out too?
>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?

>>4339330
Touko is a fairly easy lady to find so we can still do that eventually, if fucking Rin and Sakura can somehow find her after HF then I think someone like Waver can too

>>4339312
>>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?
A pleasant surprise.

>>4339312
>I don't, can you help me find them out too?
>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?

>>4339327
>>4339318
eh fuck it, changing my vote to support everything this anon is asking for if its possible

>>4339325
Having her with you does sort of restrict you. In fact, this encounter would've gone very differently if you had taken Monica with you.
Besides, Shinji knows that practically no supernatural activity goes on during the day. He's played the games and he knows the rules. Also, Dead Apostles and sunlight don't mix.
Regardless of all that though, he was being considerate.
It's actually extraordinarily helpful for you that Touko also had a very very poor relationship with her own grandfather on account of him closing off her path to the Root.
She wouldn't have bothered offering to help you before you mentioned that.

Pretty sure Aoko would've been our babysitter if we went alone on that train but we just had to take someone along.

>>4339312
See >>4339318
>Ask if she has a business card we can have.
>Ask if she has a business card we can have.
>Ask if she has a business card we can have.
>Ask if she has a business card we can have.
>Ask if she has a business card we can have.
C O N T A C T S

>>4339312
>I don't, can you help me find them out too?
>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?
Here we go, time to turn into an insane serial killer because we were a lion in a past past life.

>>4339312
>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?
>Ask if she has a business card we can have.

>>4339352
Yes, we figured that last thread.
Mice and Men.

no but seriously, wtf is the point of coming to Misaki town if we're not actually gonna go and do the thing we intended to do in the first place? Feels like we're on a vacation now

>>4339387
We are doing the thing we intended to do. We wanted Aoko's help with our shit and possibly getting her as a contact.
We got the better sister instead.

>>4339387
We have two days to find out if Shiki exists. I think we're fine to have a short detour especially if we can unlock our magic.

>>4339395
I mean, we can ask Touko too about DAAs and if she knows Ryougi. That'd give us a good idea if Tsukihime is happening or not.

>>4339395
>>4339392
we have today and tomorrow and honestly, I don't think its gonna go so swimmingly if we keep meandering instead of confirming the existence of Shiki, Misaki town is crawling with vampires and demons

>>4339387
We ARE doing what we intended to do.
Befriending Shikki and Aoko were a means to an end, which was find a way to practice magic without the Big Worm finding out/make powerful connections.
Now I assumed that the means that we would practice magic would be unlocked thanks to Aoko, but it turns out we've got it from Touko instead which is just fine. We've also managed to already meet up with Aoko anyway, which is great and we've established outself into the story of Tsukihime via Sacchin already!
Litterally the only thing we have to do left is meet up with/varrify the exsitance of Shikki and it's mission completed.
I don't see what the problem is here, famo. Everything is going better than fine right now.

>>4339410
Now that we have our means of practicing magic, we don't have to take anymore risks trying to fine Aoko by getting lost or putting ourselves in danger, which means we can stay with Monica from here on out.

>>4339448
Pretty much this. Add in that Monica is less of a wild card now and it's been a surprisingly lucrative excursion.

>>4339448
We still should actually meet Shiki, like, he's the protagonist of Tsukihime, how tf are we gonna involve ourselves with him if we don't meet him as soon as possible?

>>4339465
This is true. This morning was also the first real opportunity to meet him without creeping around a hospital after hours. We've still got (probably) two opportunities this afternoon and tomorrow morning that we can devote to tracking him down if necessary.

>>4339472
honestly, being an enigmatic stranger that shows up to give him a pep talk like Aoko did solidifies a friendship, we don't even need to do the Satsuki thing of meeting up with him every year.

>>4339465
>how tf are we gonna involve ourselves with him if we don't meet him as soon as possible?
Through Sacchin. An important side character that is in every route of Tsukihime.
But again I tell you Anon, just hold your horses. Meeting up with/varrifing the existence of Shiki is literally the next thing on our list that is now filled with check marks. There is no need to be so worried.

>>4339480
>we don't even need to do the Satsuki thing of meeting up with him every year.
But we already doing that anyway. For Sacchin's sake.
So really there is zero rush or need for concern. We got this whole thing locked down suprisingly.
We're going to meet up with Monica and then go to Shiki.
If we miss him, we'll meet him soon anyway thanks to Sacchin since we promised to meet with her anyway.
All our bases are covered.

>>4339486
one more thing though, we still haven't established a hard connect with Aoko. Aoko is by far the most important person in Misaki Town right now. You're right, we can meet Shiki whenever we want because we're friends with Satsuki now and Touko is easy as fuck to find, but Aoko is by far the most powerful, most important and most hard to track person out of all of them.

>>4339502
I don't know, I think Touko rivals that. Aoko is the fifth and has stronger magic, but Touko is the better magus.
Besides, if we manage to get a hard contact with Touko, I'm sure we'll run into Aoko again.

>>4339502
>one more thing though, we still haven't established a hard connect with Aoko.
Bro.
She's the fifth magician.
We ain't getting no hard connect with her.
We did however make an impression, and I'm sure she'll be keeping an eye on our development from here on out.
Running into her again couldn't hurt, but honestly I think expecting her to give us a fucking buisness card or something is unlikely.

>>4339392
>better sister
HERESY

>>4339512
well goddamn anon can't we at least try again? This quite literally is the last time we can actually plan a meeting with her, everything else is left up to QM being nice

>>4339515
Sure, why not. We got time to kill anyway.

>>4339312
>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?

Ill take survival questions over others anyday

>>4339312
Supporting >>4339318

>>4339312
>I don't, can you help me find them out too?
>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?
>Ask if she has a business card we can have.

>>4339502
>Touko
>easy as fuck to find

Yeah, have fun checking all the derelict buildings in Japan thinking you know where Garan no Dou is. When all is said and done, she’s a sealing designate. She’ll only be found if she wants to be found, and I doubt she would want to be found by anyone associated to her sister

I got a feeling the Aozaki sisters choice is a mutually exclusive choice given their relationship. I can’t imagine them being friendly toward ally or even acquaintances of the other.

Of course I could be wrong and I’m just reading soon to be isekai power fantasy trash fanfic quest

>>4339913
>Of course I could be wrong and I’m just reading soon to be isekai power fantasy trash fanfic quest
Just grind that Charisma to B++ for Secret route.

OK so obviously asking her to look at your element and origin and asking for a method to keep your circuits hidden is winning.
But I just want to ask how do you feel about including some of the questions suggested in
>>4339318?

>>4340000
>Ask if she has a business card

>>4340000
>Ask if she has a business card

>>4340000
I would also like to say that I really don't think asking our about our element and origin is a good idea.
Like, we already know for sure that our element is something crazy, so what if our origin is something crazy. Something that would instantly out us as an Isekai boy? Something dangerous that would obligate Touko to see us as a threat?
I really think only asking about our circuits and her business card is the best choice.

>>4340067
You need to chill a little. There aren't people out to kill you around every corner, just some of them.

>>4338679
>Fu fu fu Shinji-kun let's make an eternal Britain >together

>>4340108
>There aren't people out to kill you around every corner, just some of them.
Not yet there isn't.
But if info of our potenitally dangerous origin gets out then there might be. Never forget what universe this is. Nasu is a mean bastard and Dead Ends await and you never know where they might come. The only risks we should take should be properly calucalated ones, and in my opinon letting a hard bitch like Touko take a close look at our shit could backfire.
Really hard.

>>4340177
It’s a risk I’m willing to take
>>4339312
>>I don't, can you help me find them out

>>4339312
>How am I supposed to keep my circuits hidden from other magi if I activate them?
>Ask if she has a business card we can have

Whatever else we can't become a worm puppet.

>>4340177
I'm having a hard time thinking up why touko would ever care about our origin to the extent of wanting to kill us. Even if it's something crazy as long as it's not awakened it can do no harm. Risk analysis is not just about the avoidance of risks, but also the informed acceptance of reasonable ones

"My element and my origin...? I... I don't know them, actually. I wouldn't even know how to find them out right now either. None of the books I've read have given me a method yet." Grimoires are all written in a painfully obtuse manner. Some of them are wrong and some of them deliberately spread misinformation. So while the two terms have come up a lot, you have yet to discern a way to actually discover what it is that you are aligned to. It likely would've been very easy for you to have managed something had you been allowed to truly experiment with your magical energy by opening up your circuits.

"Well of course not. You think that you would be allowed to read any of the actually useful grimoires and books by your family if you weren't the heir?" She reminds you of a mistake that you really deep down knew you were making anyway. Of course you didn't have access to the stuff Zouken would consider valuable. It's really a miracle that you were able to discern so much about magecraft just from the information you gleaned from the books in the Matou library. You do feel like you would've made far more progress if your circuits weren't sealed off from your own usage though.

Touko pulls you into one of the well shaded back alleys of the shopping district before she continues talking to you, looking into your blue eyes as she speaks. "I don't really care for the whole familial aspect of magecraft, personally. If you can't make it on your own, just what good are you? There's no point in relying solely on the strength of others. True strength is something that comes from within, a privilege reserved for those with talent and the willpower to capitalize on that talent. There's nothing more worthless than a magus bragging about the power they were given by somebody else's efforts." She holds up a finger, and at her gesture, a strange image of a wireframe golden wing appears atop her finger. The pattern that makes up the wireframe is geometric, and is actually somewhat similar to what you remember the Tohsaka crest looking like when Rin used it against Shirou! Then this is one of Touko's... "Magic Crests. The great separator that pulls families apart..." Touko looks at the wireframe wing before crushing it in her hand. "Not quite in my case, but you hear stories about second sons and daughters being discarded without care due to their rather restrictive nature in just how many people can inherit them." You don't know if Touko is doing this on purpose because she somehow knows about the Tohsaka and the Matou, or if she's merely proving a point about her ability to steal the Magic Crests of other magi, not relying on power given to her, but instead on power she learned to take from others.

"My... Sister, is inheriting the Matou crest." And for her sake, you really wish she wasn't. The torturous procedures that she is forced to go through every night begin playing on your mind and causes your voice to grow a little bit quieter. "Can you... is there a way to hide your magic circuits?"

"I figured something like that might be the case, Matou-kun." Despite her fierce eyes, she tries to give you a reassuring smile. It works. Kind of. "Anyway, just stand still for a moment." She then proceeds to put a hand on your forehead and you immediately begin feeling woozy, the foreign magical energy running through your body as Touko does an analysis on you causing you some mild discomfort. Touko's face however is growing really quite incredulous. "These circuits! I've never seen a composition like this before! Not mentioning those thirteen atrophied circuits, which are a shame, but... these are incredible!" Whatever Touko has seen seems to have really excited her. Each individual magic circuit is composed of four individual channels for magical energy!" Four channels? What does she mean? You couldn't really discern anything like that from your own surveyance of your circuits. She seems to regain some control of herself as she looks you in the eyes once again. "Kid. I'm not sure what happened to you, but for whatever reason, you have way too many magic circuits." Then her tone turns grim. "In fact, you have so many magical circuits that attempting to use them all at once would cause your body to be incinerated. Human bodies just weren't made to handle that sort of energy being pumped through them." Then was your previous appraisal of your own abilities incorrect? You know you had a lot of circuits, but you shouldn't have ever been under threat of death simply for trying to use them all at once. "Matou-kun. Listen closely. To a layman, it would appear as if you only have eighty circuits, even that is such a vast number of circuits that you would be receiving marriage requests from practically every family looking for a good candidate to marry their daughters for the sake of eugenics." You blush a little at her words, even for somebody with as many years of life experience as you, it's awkward for somebody to tell you to expect to receive marriage requests. "But, that's not quite true at all. It might appear that you have eighty two circuits, but in truth it's more like you have about three hundred of the damn things." Touko begins to laugh aloud. "Three hundred! How do you feel about your blue-blood magic circuits now, Lorelei?!" She yells to nobody in particular. It's not like the Queen of the Clocktower could actually hear her from here... You hope. You're just glad that Touko isn't the sort to get jealous of over people for having more magic circuits than her. Well, with all the crests she's stolen she probably still theoretically has more magic circuits available to her anyway.

Status Updated.

Touko looks at you like she's looking at some sort of puzzle now. The harsh glare from her eyes is gone and replaced entirely by a desire to solve a mystery. The mystery of... well, you, you suppose. "Of course, the problem of you being incinerated by your own circuits does remain quite the problem, and you have so many that even activating them in the first place is going to be a problem. If you had attempted to do so alone, you... probably would've burned up without a trace." You pale at her words. "So it's a good thing you bumped into me, isn't it? You get to enjoy not exploding, and I get to enjoy the knowledge that the Lorelei aren't the top dogs when it comes to circuits anymore!"

"W-what... What about my element and origin, miss?" You try to move the topic away from your monumental number of apparently natural magic circuits. If what Touko is saying is true, then just about any magus would want to use you for their own horrible plans... Hopefully not Touko, though. You're a little scared of the woman just because she's a magus who actually takes magecraft seriously, she's not got a completely soft heart like Rin and she's certainly not as kind as Aoko. Honestly, between your unique circuits that can kill you with their output and your element that you already know is enough to make a Dead Apostle want to 'research' you, you're a little worried to find out what sort of origin you have too. Your element is hopefully just something to do with imaginary numbers like Sakura, or maybe even an Average One like Rin. That would probably cause that reaction, wouldn't it?

"Let me just take a look closer then, Matou-kun, it might feel a little bit uncomfortable..." She's not kidding, she increases the flow of her magical energy into your body, though she takes care not to force your circuits open. A good thing too, Shirou had only about 20 circuits of low quality, even he was put through great agony upon having them opened. You can't even begin to imagine the pain you will experience upon the opening of your own. Shirou even had the benefit of practically setting his spine alight every night for years in order to raise his own tolerance for pain too, yet that didn't actually appear to help him at all. "Here we go..." Touko freezes up in complete shock this time. If her previous reaction to your circuit quantity was ranked at a three out of ten, then this would be a nine out of ten. The woman looks almost completely dumbfounded and for some reason actually backs away from you. "Matou-kun. Tell me the truth now. You aren't a human at all, are you?" Her shock has vanished now, and her scowl has begun to feel more and more genuine.

"W-why do you say that?" You can't hide your shock at the accusation by Touko. She's practically dead on the money, well mostly. You're a human... or at least you think your other life was the life of a human, it's pretty hard to tell, being unable to remember any names or faces except those that might have relevance to this world.

Touko eyes you dangerous "Because of your element and your origin. It's like the Root just didn't know what to do with you. Not only do you have three conflicting origins, but your elemental affinity isn't something that ought to be at all possible. I don't know just what you are, whether you're some special form of incarnated elemental or some other natural phenomenom, but I'm certain that you are not a human." She points a finger at you and takes an accusatory tone. "An Elemental Affinity of 'Truth'? An Origin of Destruction, Change and of Creation? Those circuits? You're basically every magus' dream. I've got to admit, even I'm considering the merits of dissecting you." You completely freeze up at Touko's words. "...But" She continues. "I might just keep tabs on you instead. That is if you told me just what exactly you are, Matou-kun." Your mind races at the danger you now find yourself in and you find yourself drowning in panic. Is this truly how you're going to end up dying? You haven't even saved anyone yet!

Status Updated.

But then the woman seems to simply laugh a little and the bloodlust recedes from her face as she sees the absolute terror that her . "Pfft. Whatever you really are, you're at the least still a human when it comes to emotion. That deer caught in head-lights look in your eyes was genuine terror, Matou-kun." Her suddenly ambivalent voice doesn't do much to help your quivering legs

"W-what?" You ask the woman, your voice still horribly shaky after her sudden threatening words. "Are you... Are you still going to kill me then?" You feel like a fool for asking, but you at least want to know where you stand with the terrifying woman. You were right to fear Touko Aozaki. This woman was way too dangerous for you to so casually approach!

"Not unless you want me to." The woman draws on her cigarette once again. Her offer to kill you sounds actually genuine, and not exactly one that you have any intention of taking her up on that. "My theory for what has likely happened to you, Matou-kun, is that a being from beyond the veil of our reality has attempted to invade your body in order to achieve whatever incomprehensible goal it is after." She then looks closely into your eyes. "Perhaps you had begun to expect that something like this was the case by yourself." It's actually pretty heart-stopping that Touko's theory as to the truth of your existence is so accurate. "And while I do still want to know more about you, I'm not going to kill you just for the sake of researching you... It would be far better if I were to keep you alive." Touko adds on at the end of her reassuring statement that makes it far far less comforting to hear. "I can't really talk much on what the implications of your Origin actually is, Destruction is fundamentally incompatible with Creation and Change, after all, so we'll leave that aside for now and just talk about the bizarre element of yours." Honestly, you have no idea what to expect from a triple origin either. The root really didn't know what it was doing, did it? "Truth, Matou-kun, is an element that until just now, I had no idea was even possible. It represents exactly what you might expect it to. Truth is... Well it's a element that represents that which is possible and rejects that which is impossible. In a way, it's an element that contradicts itself by it's very existence. It's an element that could be manifested to reject the impossible as a sword to cut through even that which cannot be cut, yet that same sword would be unable to slice through even a sheet of mundane paper" That's... quite a mind-boggling explanation she has there. "Of course, that's just one of the applications I can think of for such a strange element. You could take the opposite approach and have it take the form of that which is possible instead of having it take a form to deny that which is not. In which case, that same sword would simply take the form of a sword able to cut through whatever it is that you believe a sword is capable of cutting through, do you understand?"

"I... I think I do." You're a little frazzled by all of this, honestly. After everything that has already come to pass in this conversation, you don't even know what to think anymore.

"Don't worry if you don't get it just yet, I can hardly comprehend the concept myself, either. But about those magic circuits of yours. It'll probably take a day or two for me to safely activate all of your circuits, and then I can give you a Mystic Code to absorb all of the ambient mana your body produces." Damn it! Two days? You don't have the time for that, you promised Sakura! Touko pauses for a moment as she seems to finally decide upon something "I was actually wondering something else, too."

"What's that?" You brace yourself for the worst.

"How would you like to be my apprentice for a while?" She gives you a smile once again. Oh no. It's worse than you thought.

>Silently nod and accept the offer from the woman.
>Happily accept the offer from the terrifying woman.
>Decline the offer, tell her you can't leave your sister.
>Run away. Run away as fast as you can.
>Write-in...

>>4340297
Great update. No idea what to vote for.

>>4340297
>Decline the offer, tell her you can't leave your sister.
I can't do Sakura dirty like that, (You) would be betraying her and betraying everyone else back in Fuyuki by going with Touko. You'd lose the plot if you go out seeking power for your own sake instead of being there for the people that need you. This is a no brainer for me

>>4340297
>Forgot to close my formatting.
Darn.

>>4340297
>Decline the offer, tell her you can't leave your sister.
Tell her that we can't leave our sister alone in what are the hands of a psychopathic worm grandfather. Basically tell her what's the deal with Zouken.

>>4340297
>Decline the offer, tell her you can't leave your sister.
Haha please don’t hurt us haha

I be damned. Hundreds of magic circuits+multiple contradictory origins? Damn.

>>4340297
>Silently nod and accept the offer from the woman.
>Also mention the need to check on little sister
>>4340316
I see what you mean there, but I feel quite the opposite. We can't help Sakura much in our current state anyways. Seeking power is the way to go to actually save Sakura and everyone else from Zouken/the grail war.

>>4340290
>the Lorelei aren't
Isn't that the Barthomeloi? Lorelei is just her personal name, isn't it?
>>4340297
>Decline the offer, tell her you can't leave your sister.
No can do, too much business back home.

>>4340297
>Silently nod and accept the offer from the woman.
She can teach us magic so we can actually do something about Zouken. If we go back now there is nothing we can do.

>>4340297
If only we can plan a "Vacation" to the beach or mountain with Sakura and use it as an excuse to learn from Touko

>>4340327
Whoops!
Yeah I meant the Barthomeloi there.
I probably just forgot to fix it after changing it from Touko mentioning her by name again.

>>4340326
There are different ways to help, not all of them are brute strength and power. You can come back as the biggest swinging dick of the Magus world but that doesn't take away the fact that you straight up abandoned Sakura, you pretty much just left the potential friends to follow their canon fate without your intervention and you've made it so you yourself are the only one who can solve everything by your lonesome. I'd rather be weak but surrounded by allies than strong but all alone and have given up on everyone else. Not worth it at all, Sakura, Shirou, Kerry, Illya and Rin need (You) now, not some stronger you in the future.

>a chance to apprentice under Touko
Oh fuck I don't even understand any of this and I want it so bad.
It also flies in the face of every goal so far, including survival. Zouken might ignore Shinji for a week or so, but getting plucked up will not. Unless we can make Zouken think it's a good idea, somehow, without revealing much of anything.

It didn't work for Shinji in canon but maybe Zouken would be open to the idea of laying groundwork for a power marriage.

>>4340338
But we can't help Sakura, Kerry and Illya as we are right now without power.

>>4340347
You do realise that we still have time to acquire said power, right?

>>4340347
We can help Sakura by being there. She needs a friendly face, not to be alone with the monsters, and the unkindest cut of all would be to abandon her now after we've fostered a dependence on us in her.
Nobody can help Kerry. He's been a broken man since 1994, when all his dreams burned up in the Fuyuki fire. The curse is the cause of his death, but the real reason for him dying is that death of the soul that came when he saw his reason for living revealed as impossible and hypocritical.
Illya can't be saved without the Third Magic, and the only way to get that is in the grail war. That's still quite a while off.

>>4340297
Write in. Tell her we can't abandon our sister. We need Touko to open our circuits though. We can afford another 2 days with Monica. Also don't think she ever said if we could hide our circuits.

>>4340355
I'll amend that. Nobody can help Kerry except Shirou. The peace of giving his dreams over to a successor did give him the best end to his life that can be hoped for, I think.

>>4340360
She said she could give you a mystic code that would do the trick, basically.

>>4340363
Oops sorry.

Either way, I just think its too early to go off on our own now, theres still a lot to do in Fuyuki, we still need to make sure Shirou can handle his own instead of being dead weight in the HGW, we still need to get Rin on our side so we have an ally to rely on and I will not give up on Kerry until the day he dies and even then I will give him a deathbed promise and save Illya for him

>Silently nod and accept the offer from the woman.

>Quantity: A+ (EX)
>Composition: Quadruple channeled magic circuits, a never before seen unprecedented mutation(?). High output is lethal to Shinji.
>Elemental Affinity: (Truth)
>Origin: (Destruction, Change, Creation)
So not only will we likely get mindbroken if we get a reality marble, we also might straight up combust if we try too hard. Neat.

>>4340297
>Decline the offer, tell her you can't leave your sister.
Tough choice, but this feels more consistent to me.

>>4340365
Fuck Kerry on God

Man, what an instresting turn of events!
The Magic Circuits that Shinji thought would be gamebreaking are actually a huge liability, that's a great way to turn that roll on it's head dude.
I'm suprised that our Origin isn't simply destruction, after that vote we did last thead, but we'll see where that goes!
And Touko is fucking great! I feel semi foolished for thinking she'd just up and kill us were we stood, but the fact that she's casually thinking on it makes me feel a bit better about it.
Very very exciting stuff!
Anyway.

>>4340297
>>4340321
This is the best option I feel. The fact we haven't just straight out told her about what a fucker Zouken is already is suprising to me.
I doubt she'll try to deal with him herself, but it should make our case for why we would turn down this opportunity.
I'm totally willing to stay those extra days to get that Mystic Code though.

>>4340297
>Tell her you are willing to be her apprentice and fully cooperate with her for mutual benefits but you have really big worm problem back at Fuyuki which will require some sort of solution

>>4340297
>>Decline the offer, tell her you can't leave your sister.

Then tell her about Grampa worm

>>4340297
>>Silently nod and accept the offer from the woman.
We can’t save Sakura by just being there. We can’t save anyone just by existing. We need to use what we have been given. We have all these magic circuits. Why not learn to use them?

>>4340297
>Decline the offer, tell her you can't leave your sister.

>>4340388
>>4340386
Changing to tell her about worm grandpa. I think that’s at least something she should know. Right now we are basically powerless

>>4340360
I'd switch to this if others did as well, but as-is I want to make sure simply joining her doesn't win.

>>4340297
>Tell her about your situation and about Sakura's. Say that her offer is not that tempting to take due to our Situation

Is this fine?

>>4340297
>>4340395
Adding worm statement to my vote.

>>4340297
After consideration:
>Write in
It's a once in a lifetime opportunity. Agree to a one-two year apprenticeship as long as she can help come up with a reasonable story to tell to the family as to why the dead end is suddenly attracting the attention of a Magus.

Shinji's 10, so the Grail War is still five years and change(?) off. At some point he's going to be used against Sakura, directly or otherwise. The more time there is to work to undo that damage, the better.

Even if Shinji is only half-trained by that point, he will still probably serve as a better instructor to Shirou if he knows what he's talking about. This also opens up another 3-4 years at home to continue consolidating power.

Any magus who takes Shinji on after this will probably have less knowledge. Monica might be the best bet, but even that would probably involve leaving home and getting involved in some dangerous wetwork.

>>4340409
>five years and change?
Shinji is 18 during the Holy Grail War as far as I remember, so we should have 8 years. It's 1996, the war is in 2004.

>>4340416
If so, all the more reason. As much as I don't like leaving Sakura behind for any period, her dependence is rooted in the belief that Shinji is strong and follows through on what he says.
In order to save her, it's going to be necessary to take steps to live up to her idealized brother. Talking a big game and getting roasted is going to do far more damage than leaving her alone, only to come back and fulfill her expectations.

>>4340426
Sakura fell in love with Shirou's dumbass, she clearly falls for whoever shows her long term affection and normalcy

I think we should take the offer to mentor under Touko for a bit, but not before Sakura's able to rely on someone, like for example Shirou.

>>4340426
Remember that the thing that made her fall in love with Shirou was him repeatedly attempting to do something he was obviously incapable of and failing pathetically. I think talking a big game and getting roasted might actually be a fetish of hers.
That said, I am on the fence about your idea of a brief apprenticeship, though I'd want to insist it be for only 1 year at most. We might even get the chance to make contact with the Einzberns and take a step toward my fondest dream.

>>4340429
Yes, but there's another component because this is a(n adopted) familial relationship. Shinji has already hinted he has an idea that something is wrong and set expectations that it's his role as a brother to protect her. Shinji has also, unintentionally, pointed Sakura towards believing that he's capable of protecting others. At some point she's going to start asking the question of why he isn't helping her, first mentally, and then directly.

>>4340434
Roasted in this case probably refers to getting wormed, because an untrained Shinji isn't going to make it, no matter how many buddies he has.
But sure, setting terms for the apprenticeship is absolutely essential. Any digging into Shinji's history will show that this is about within expectations, he's a prodigy and feels like he has some weight to throw around.

>>4340297
>Silently nod and accept the offer from the woman.

Do mention the Sakura situation. I doubt she would be without sympathy but damn if this is not just too valuable a chance.

Hey fellas, isn’t Ea the “sword of truth” or something? This element seems like a big deal.

>>4340451
In the VN its title is "Star of Creation that Split Heaven and Earth, Enuma Elish". That might just be the name of the attack, in which case Ea itself doesn't have an NP page in Gilgamesh's status screen. It also doesn't show up in the weapon list, presumably because trying to understand its composition gives Shirou a migraine. I can't remember having heard it called the sword of truth.

>>4340460
Gilgamesh calls it a sword that "Knows the Truth" of the World.

>>4340297
Might as well take a chance. I'll change my vote to supporting >>4340409 with this phrasing.
>Write-in: Agree to a one-year apprenticeship as long as she can help come up with a reasonable story to tell the family as to why Shinji is attracting the attention of a magus and help us keep tabs on Sakura while we're gone.
Is that agreeable to you, RGzfn8sD? If our votes aren't counted for the same thing, it's kind of pointless.

>>4340469
Guess it's been too long since I played through FSN, I forgot the specifics of how he described it.

>>4340451
Cool we're EA itself. Gilgamesh claims that the sword "knows the truth" of the World where it once existed, and by using its power, it is able to bestow its knowledge upon others. As it is "The Sword That Cut the World Apart", he calls it “something that knows the hellish planet before genesis”, the planet's primordial form before heaven and earth were split, where it was a land filled with naught but lava and gas and a hell of scorching heat and intense cold. Referring to it as hell,

>>4340471
I think QM should tally all the votes and give people an opportunity to change their vote for the write ins. This is a potentially critical decision.

>>4340478
Gilgamesh states that it is the source of all legends of the land of the dead. The memory of the time before the existence of the planet, a place and time when organic existence had been impossible, is something possessed by all organisms, but it is no longer found in the imaginations or spoken memories of people. It is the first memory of life that is a genetically inherent and repressed knowledge which can only be shown to those looking upon the sword

>>4340478
>>4340482
Alright, I really don't remember this speech, and I feel like I would if it were part of his gloating over his power in the fate route. When did he say all this? Is it part Strange Fake's overblown weirdness, or have I just forgotten that much of the VN's dialogue?

>>4340479
That would make sense, what we have here is a mess.

>>4340486
yeah I don't even know how to count this shit right now

>>4340484
Wiki. I've begun enjoying myself. Stand back, Master. I speak of genesis. The elements amalgamate, coalesce, and bring forth the star that weaves all of creation. Pay homage in death. Enuma Elish!

>>4340493
Grinding at the laws of space with its power, it creates a rip in space that extends from not only the earth but also to the sky and atmosphere. It is a crack that distorts space to pierce the very nature of the World itself to show the "Truth."

>>4340297
>>Silently nod and accept the offer from the woman.
>>Write-in...
Tell her we have to protect our sister. At this point, let's see if we can get her to move to Fuyuki for our apprenticeship.

>>4340496
Last part but this is fascinating. Performing the miracle of genesis, something that reveals creation - the beginning of everything, the attack opens an abyss capable of crushing anything. The center of the storm is not calm, but rather a hole to hell itself that returns all that enters its realm to the nothingness from which it originated

>Don't leave Sakura
>>4340316
>>4340321
>>4340324
>>4340393

>Don't leave Sakura and tell Toukou about Zouken
>>4340386
>>4340395
>>4340372

>Nod and accept but also mention your little sister
>>4340326
>>4340449
>>4340497

>Silently nod and accept
>>4340328
>>4340366
>>4340449

>Say you can't abandon Sakura and then ask her to open your circuits
>>4340360

>Tell her you are willing to be her apprentice if she helps with Sakura
>>4340379

>Tell her about your situation as well as Sakura's and say it's not even tempting
>>4340399

>Agree to a 1 year apprenticeship
>>4340409
>>4340471

I have no idea if I missed or miscounted any votes but don't be afraid to mention if I have, this vote is a little complicated.

Touko is a good mix of orthodox and unorthodox magus in that she has orthodox foundation from time spent in Magus Association, while is brilliant enough of a Magus to do all weird shit like her crests shenanigans

Aoko might surpass her in raw power, but it’s no brainer on who is the better mentor.

Given Shinji’s potential, pretty sure we’d have the power to save Sakura from Zouken if we apprentice under her, the problem is basically abandoning her for the next few years is likely going to break her psyche faster for Zouken to just turn her into Dark Sakura way ahead of schedule, so unless we can do something to make Sakura believe that we will return for her, taking Touko’s offer as is is a non starter if you still want to save Sakura

>>4340297
>Silently nod and accept the offer from the woman.
We should explain why to Sakura before we leave though.

>>4340297
I will switch to supporting >>4340409

>>4340504
You did.

>>4340449 is a Accept and Mention Sister vote, tying it up.
>>4340321 is a don't leave Sakura and tell Tokou about Zouken vote.

>>4340504
I feel like you should combine some of these votes if we have a tie breaker

>>4340504
>>4340409
Switching/supporting on the basis we can first talk with Sakura.

>>4340393
>>4340504
>Don't leave Sakura and tell Toukou about Zouken
Changing vote.

>>4340513
Honestly, this might be best. It feels like general consensus is to accept some sort of apprenticeship with her, but tell her about Sakura and Zouken and see if she can deal with that.

Honestly, if she is willing to move to Fuyuki, that solves all our problems.

>>4340515
>>4340504
>>4340316
Changing my vote

>>4340516
i think WhatIsAQM should just make either a leave or stay vote cause this is a clusterfuck

>>4340520
It really is. People changing their vote while we're trying to sort it out doesn't help either.

>>4340520
I'm fine with that.

>>4340524
people are changing their votes for strategy, its kind of a big deal to leave or stay so better to jump on the bandwagon that gets you the one you want the most

>>4340527
Yeah, but this kind of offer is the once in a lifetime thing. We won't find a better teacher then Tokou.
So declining her on the basis of staying with the anchor is dumb. We should be accepting and seeing if she is either willing to move to Fuyuki or will do something about Zouken.

>>4340530
That's why we got people to tell her that we can't go because Zouken and Sakura

>>4340533
But those people are declining being her apprentice. She'll take it as you don't want to be instead of, we do want to be but..

>Yeah, but this kind of offer is the once in a lifetime thing.
I mean, she did say she was gonna keep an eye on us so it's not like we won't ever see her again.

>>4340533
>>4340530
Well, alternatively we can just request QM write out her response to the whole Zouken/Sakura thing and THEN have a vote to decide what to do. We have way too many what ifs with the information currently available and I think that clarification will help most of us decide on the vote.

>>4340534
idk it sounds more like "I can't because I can't leave my precious little sister alone with our worm Grandpa" it sounds more like we would go if not for these circumstances

>>4340538
agreed, this really is a big change

>>4340504
>Nod and accept but also mention your little sister
Changing my vote from >>4340324 to this. Having her as a mentor would be amazing but we gotta try helping Sakura somehow.

>>4340538
I suppose you could do that.
If there's enough support for this, that's what I'll do.
This has been quite a chaotic vote

>>4340538
>>4340565
I'm fine with that

>>4340565
Yeah that would be good.

>>4340565
i am too, too much going on and it really should just be relegated to stay or leave

>>4340565
It seems like most of us agree that she should be made to understand our situation, whether that's as a reason for refusing or a proviso to accepting, so that's probably the way to go.

>>4340565
Also supporting >>4340538

>>4340565
Yes please

>>4340565
I'm fine with that.

>>4340574
Yeah, that's a given. We can sort the votes based on leave vs stay to simplify things

>>4340538
Yes, fine with that

>>4340565
yes

Wanderchads, I kneel, you truly made the smart choice
Also I'm pretty sure that we could just wash the entire grail war by ourselves if we develop our magic right, we're basically a walking ea

>>4340617
there no fun in that though. wheres the drama?

>>4340617
Sure, but we'd probably explode in the process. My reading of our talents is that they're our version of the Archer arm in Heaven's Feel. We can potentially use them to overcome any obstacle, but not without taking some major damage in the process.

>>4340619
I'd imagine our capabillities would be capped by how many circuits it would take to blow up a servant, we always run the risk of killing ourselves if we use too many

>>4340617
>Wander was the right choice
I still maintain we'd be better off with Aoko than the reject sister, but this is alright.

>>4340626
I still wanna find Aoko

>>4340617
>Also I'm pretty sure that we could just wash the entire grail war by ourselves if we develop our magic right
That would be pretty lame, not gonna lie, but you aren't wrong

>>4340626
Why are fatefags so aggressive with their waifu wars? Even evafags don't get this meam spirited

>>4340626
Aoko isn't as good a magus as Touko. As a teacher, she is far superior.

>>4340632
>Even evafags don't get this meam spirited
This is a straight up falsehood anon

>>4340632
Oh, this isn't a waifu thing. Either of the Aozaki siblings is a hard pass for me when it comes to romance. I just think it's better to cultivate a contact with the Fifth than her sister, and it's a fact that Touko was rejected by the previous Fifth as an inheritor.

>>4340537
There's a world of difference between, 'you're interesting; I'm going to keep an eye on your development' and 'you're interesting and I want to help you develop further'.
>>4340617
I was a little ambivalent about pissing the day away, but I acknowledge their superior vision. Truly they see further than we.

As far as abandoning Sakura, that's why a set time limit would work. Shinji is going to have to explain this to the family somehow, preferably before up and vanishing, and setting an end date makes that less damaging. And Shinji is kind of a prodigy; as long as he focuses on theory and a little practice, he can probably develop and cultivate his own magic in a more hands-off environment.

>>4340565
thats fine

Alright but even beyond Sakura, I don't wanna abandon Shirou, I wanna cultivate his strength more than I want to cultivate our own

>>4340646
He'll be fine on his own, anon. He wins the war with no help from Shinji.

>>4340643
Sure. But 'you're interesting; I'm going to keep an eye on your development' can always lead to 'you're interesting and I want to help you develop further'.
There is a chance that she might lose intrest, but given the shit we plan to get up to, I'm sure we'll be in the back of her mind for years to come.

>>4340648
Fuck that, I want him to be our partner in crime and have him develop along with us

>>4340646
Shirou won't suck your dick anon, he's not gay

>>4340646
Second. Let's develop Shirou alongside us. We will truly be Justice Buddies and can take him on Stupid Adventures alongside us.

>>4340650
It's true, and then you run into the same issue of leaving Sakura alone, only with less time on the clock to help get her back into a reasonable mindset.
There is not going to be a 'good' way to get training as a magus. It's either going to require Shinji to leave, or to put him at risk of revealing his plethora of circuits to Zouken, and maybe putting his master at risk as well.
>>4340651
>and have him develop along with us
Not ragging on you but how? Who's going to be the teacher?

>>4340667
Kerry is still alive, if he doesn't live, then we switch to Rin who should be good enough after 5 years of training

We should be able to create spells that allow us to use the full extent of our magic circuts without damaging our self with the Truth element.
My first idea is creating a fluid or suit that rejects the impossibility of our combustion.

>>4340667
>and maybe putting his master at risk as well.
This is one of the reasons I want to jump on Touko's offer. If the worm goes after her, she will be fine. She'd probably stick him in her rape box.

>Who's going to be the teacher?
I'm willing to teach him, otherwise we can bring him to Touko. I'm sure she'd be interested in a boy with "Sword" as his origin and element.

>>4340673
Rejecting the impossibility of our surviving the combustion rather.

>>4340678
...wouldn't that just guarantee we die?

>>4340675
Another reason I want to jump on this offer, is that we are guaranteed to be a sealing designation with what she just told us about our origin and element. Any other potential teacher is more likely to give us up to the MA, especially if they're magus at Touko's tier.

I honest to God love how we became TOO strong, its a nice little call back to Archer's arm

>>4340646
Why do you fucks like shirou so much?

>>4340693
how the fuck do you not like Shirou?

>>4340687
Yeah, it's pretty based.
It's a fun way of keeping things from getting too easy thanks to that god roll we got.
Hell, being this weirdly powerful is just as much of a disadvantage as it is a huge boon at this point.

>>4340694
Bc he's a insufferable faggot like you. Fuck this justice buddy bullshit.

>>4340693
Because for all his simple autism, Shirou is a bro. We will be Truth and Justice, the core of the Justice Buddies.

>>4340693
I'll never understand it myself, but that seems to be the way it is.

>>4340700
Fuck you justice buddies forever

>>4340700
Go back to Fate Awakening man, you don't have to shit up the thread with stupid shit.

>>4340711
Yeah just like all the Kerry, illya and other bullshit.

>>4340715
I'd say you're worse since you're self aware enough to know how much of an ass you're being. I'll take someone that's autistically passionate about something over some anon's incoherient impotent rage.
Can you at least explain why you're so agasint the guy, or is the fact that he's annoying really all it takes for you to be so bothered?

>>4340735
We can be friends with him and all that but you keep trying to make this all about him. We first and foremost have ourselves to worry about then our sister. We already know he'll be OK. Almost everything we've thought is how to save sakura from future torment.

>>4340682
Denying an impossibility makes it possible.
If we deny the impossibility that we'd survive our magic circuits at full throttle, we become capable of doing so.

>>4340737
Nobody's trying to make this just about Shirou except people like you who come in here and whine about it.
Everything we've been doing has been focusing on Shinji getting stronger or Sakura. Hell, we're literally considering to deny being the apprentice of the best magus we could have as our master because people want to stay near Sakura.
But just because people go "Hey, let's be friends with Shirou and help him out too." we get faggots like you who shit up the thread and screech about it.
Fuck off back to Fate Awakening. It's more your speed, you can jerk off about how much you hate Shirou there.

>>4340737
>We first and foremost have ourselves to worry about then our sister. We already know he'll be OK. Almost everything we've thought is how to save sakura from future torment.
You literally aren't wrong.
I honestly think you're falling for a meme here.
People aren't trying to make everything about Shirou, people are just excited about the idea of being pals with him is all. On it's face there isn't anything wrong with wanting to make sure Shirou is strong so he can effectively help us with our own goals and there's nothing wrong with trying to make sure he also get's his good ending. Try to take things a little less seriously, when all is said and done level heads will win out.

>>4340745
>Level heads have success in the nasuverse.

>>4340745
I just don't want to see him get over the top priority. Right now we have a huge choice and we should deal with this first then be a buddy comedy.