You are Alberich: maiden-rescuing knight, killer of men and monsters, familiar twice over, possible relation of Gods, and modern hero. You've seen your home destroyed, your friends and allies scattered to the winds, and yourself crippled, but you persevered through it all in the company of those who remain loyal. Tonight your are restored to power.On the night of November 13, 2019, you found yourself in a dimly lit stone basement, standing in the middle of a magic circle. You had been summoned as a Servant, a figure out of legend contracted after their death to fight alongside a magus for the Holy Grail. In your case, however, you were and conned by Judas Iscariot into taking his place despite not being any such thing.Since then, you've made your way through a chain of events even stranger than those you faced in the Akeldama. You've lost one Master and gained another on the point of death. You've slain three enemy Servants and converted four to your cause. You've met, allied with, and betrayed the survivors of the last War: a family of magi dedicated to destroying the Holy Grail. You've discovered your true nature, as an artificial hero cobbled together from the souls of over 300 sacrifices and imbued with false memories. You've met the two others like you, formerly 'human' compatriots in the Akeldama's War who have since been transformed into Servants. You've fallen in love with Liliesviel von Einzbern, a homunculus at the center of the Holy Grail War whose desperate need and ephemeral beauty captured your heart. You've begun to walk the path of magical knowledge, and through the use of your Noble Phantasm summoned forth two impossible existences from the Reverse Side of the World: a phantasmal beast and a goddess. This morning, you cracked open the soul of a captured enemy, hoping to take power over her by magic. Instead, you've found yourself wandering in the labyrinthine inner world of her spirit. After you escaped, however, things only worsened thanks to an undetected attack on your home carried out (mostly) while you were unconscious.Since awakening after that disaster, you've discovered the unexpected loyalty of your most recently acquired Servant, made contact with two of your scattered allies, met an old friend once more, and finally have been healed through a large-scale ritual utilizing the sacrifice on hundreds; perhaps thousands, you're uncertain of the details.None of your experiences have changed your goal. Whatever the purpose or origin of your life, and regardless of who stands in your way, there is only one path before you. You will take the Holy Grail with your own hands. Four Servants remain to fall by your sword.Archive of Previous Threads:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Sweets-Loving%20QMStatus Information:https://pastebin.com/qsKX4p5bQM Twitter:https://twitter.com/SweetsQM
Where we left off...When you awaken, you find it's grown considerably darker and you've been removed from your bed. The black sky of a clouded night, rather than any ceiling, is above you. You look around in surprise to find that you are, in fact, lying on the roof of the Koyama house. Medusa is standing beside you calling your name with a subdued smile on her lips."Ah, Medusa," you say, sitting up with a yawn. "Good evening. Care to explain why you've relocated me to this rooftop?""Night has fallen," Medusa answers, "the rain has stopped, and the barrier is ready. I thought you might rather be in the open air to see it work than be shut up in that dismal little home." You look at Medusa again with some surprise. It's the first time, you think, that you've heard her openly disparage something to that extent, aside from her comments on your own black-hearted character before you made her yours. Has living with her sharp-tongued sisters had this effect on her, you wonder, or is she simply letting her tongue wag more freely because of the happy moment? Then, you think, it doesn't really matter. The ritual is the important thing now, and she's right about your wanting to see it function from a place where you can do so properly. "Well," you say, "I have my reservations about being moved in my sleep, but you did surmise correctly. Give me your arm."With that, you work with your right arm to first prop yourself up into a sitting position on the roof, and then pull yourself up to stand using Medusa's shoulder. Leaning thus, with the girl as a makeshift crutch, is a bit of a humiliation, but as your eyes sweep over the nighttime view of the city from above that has been hidden from you these past days, it feels worth the concession not to be lying down. "Master," Medusa begins, dropping the good cheer from her voice to address you in a tone of formal solemnity, "shall I activate my Noble Phantasm?""Yes." You nod as your look out over all the homes of the people who will soon go to heal you, noting with your eyes the periodic mystic circles of Medusa's ritual inscribed on chimneys, carved lightly into walls, or laid out in broken roof tiles, and in every place reinforced by the inlay of her own blood. She has been well at work, you see. "As soon as you're ready, Rider."
"Bloodfort Andromeda!" The cry rings out to pierce the night, echoing over the rooftops the moment you give your permission; and at the same moment the barrier becomes visible. A broad region of suburban Shibuya is cut off from the rest of the world by a vermilion dome that springs up from the earth like a fresh horizon and sky. Mystic energy crackles through the air and you feel, though it makes no impact on you, the oppressive power that suffuses the whole space and even now is reducing the sacrifices caught within from doomed men and women to the stuff of life itself. The air itself is stained with blood as a great red mist begins slowly to rise from the earth, first in nigh-imperceptible tendrils, and then more and more as a visible tinge on all the surroundings. Then, the power begins to flow into your magic circuits as if you drink it in through every pore. It begins, at last, to make you whole again.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHIKoGq6n0sFor a while you simply luxuriate, bathing yourself in the sensation of such flawless healing. Muscles, once severed, knit themselves back together as interstitial tissue regenerates out of the vast supply of free and untrammeled mystic energy that flows within you; the thousand cuts that perforate your skin seal themselves up without a scar among the lot; the pierced and useless heart in your chest fills in its vicious tear and returns to perfect function; best of all, the vanished limbs that Matsuda cut away from you return. Crimson mist first coalesces in their place, coming together out of the blood-saturated air into the vague shapes of a hand and foot. Then it becomes fluid, a continuous mass of blood holding their shape as if poured into macabrely formed, perfectly transparent vases. At last the crimson disappears and the blood truly becomes the lost appendages, as perfectly identical to their former state as if they'd never sustained a blow. Now you can take leave of the support of Medusa's shoulder and, your heart soaring with the feeling of pure triumph, stand once more on your own two feet.Carried along by the simple, overwhelming joy of the moment, the two heady drugs of healing and an energy surplus after so long spent barely sustained, you even turn some of that newfound energy to frivolity. You conjure in your hand a crystal goblet formed out of Nothingness and watch as it fills, responding to your will, with the blood that saturates world around you. When you quaff the draft, the flavor is the sweetest you've ever tasted. It is the savor of a restoration to power, and it seems to you there can be none better in the world.
Even with all the power that goes into healing your body spent, you find that you remain filled with a great surplus of it. So much, in fact, that it reminds you almost of those transcendent moments when you've taken the power of another Servant into yourself. Could you, you think, shape some of this excess in the same way, though it is neither drawn from a Servant nor channeled through the hereditary ritual of sacrifice at the core of the Shijou magic? Could you take this sacrifice of the worthless multitude and shape it into one of the relics no longer able to be used by the foes you've struck down? You speculate with heady anticipation on the possibilities of such a thing, and what a success might entail.>[ ] Attempt to replicate one of the Noble Phantasms of a Servant you've defeated with the excess mystic energy. (Which?)>[ ] Rather than attempting to recreate one of the other Noble Phantasms, try channeling the energy into strengthening a piece of your own equipment. (Choose between your sword, cloak, armor, or helmet.)>[ ] Think better of the effort, and save the energy within you to act as fuel over the coming days. You still don't have a continuous supply, after all.>[ ] Do something else? (Write in)
Would you look at that. I was unable to be online last night, and during that interval the thread was knocked off the board at the worst possible time: while we were tied between those who wanted an NP upgrade and those who wanted to conserve energy. Since this is a pretty major choice, I thought it'd be a pretty unkind thing to do just to pick one and right the update, so I've reposted the tail-end of the last update from the last thread for you folks to resume the discussion and settle the question of what to do with this magical energy.
>>4334952>[X] Think better of the effort, and save the energy within you to act as fuel over the coming days. You still don't have a continuous supply, after all.
Don't we need independent action as a skill to hold onto magical energy?
>>4334969In case it wasn't clear from earlier updates, you do still have a connection to Ayaka, and are receiving just enough energy from her to keep you in the world, but not enough to provide for any surplus actions like magic or healing.
>>4334952>[ ] Think better of the effort, and save the energy within you to act as fuel over the coming days. You still don't have a continuous supply, after all.I wanted armor before but on second thought new skills are useless if we don't have the energy to use them. We'll use the excess energy to kill a servant and find Ayaka. Can we send some energy backwards to Ayaka, just enough for her to regain consciousness and then contact her telepathically to see where she is?
>>4334952Get the fucking armour. Truly, "do nothing"fags are a scourge.
By the way, if you do empower your armor, I'm thinking about a redesign. White, steel, gold, or black theming; which appeals to you folks most?
What would Alberich's mystic eyes do if we copied them from Rider?
>>4335081Black would go with our recent full-on embrace of villainy. A dark steel would be cool.
>>4334952>[ ] Rather than attempting to recreate one of the other Noble Phantasms, try channeling the energy into strengthening a piece of your own equipment. (Armor)Give up the Mystery Box and all its yummy contents
>>4334952Finally caught up and in time for an upgrade vote?Lucky me. >Apply Achilles' immortality to the armour>>4335081Let's go for that gold look.Infringe Gilgamesh's IP.
>>4334952>armor,I dont care if Aramantos or new NP, (prefer Aramantos though) I got an idea or the mana situation.Shirou should be arriving, we lost against him because of weak armor not due to lack of energy, beat him KO him, attempt absorption on him, bit of a long shot but if it actually works we'd have a temporary substitute for Ayaka.
>>4335325As I said, a long shot but if it works according to my understanding; we know it works on non-servants thanks to the sisters; its not a standard contract so if it works we get control over the flow of energy while he shouldn't get command seals like how noone got seals with Saber/Medusa; when making the link we imprint an order; put in that can't act to harm us, no rule breaker; if tries to off himself or have Rin do it, threaten to go after the family if anything happens to him (or just cut off his limbs and toss him in a broom closet in one of the now abandoned buildings)
>>4335325We lost to Shirou because we parried Caladbold instead of Kenotising it.With an excess of magical energy we'd recover from the damage such a mistake would inflict on our body.
>>4335557>We lost to Shirou because we parried Caladbold instead of Kenotising it.We lost because the parry caused an explosion on top of us, how exactly is spending time and energy on recovering damage a better alternative than preventing said damage in the first place doubly so since we can still get knocked out from too much damage at once, as was the case in the last fight against him?
>>4335566We recovered from the damage using Lily's energy.Even if we upgrade our armor, it still doesn't completely cover our body, and we can fight while on the verge of death now that we have battle continuation.
>>4335570>it still doesn't completely cover our bodystill doesnt address the question how is taking less damage inferior to skipping an upgrade to have more energy to recover from said damage when we can still get knocked out from taking too much damage? If I recall right we did have a rank of battle continuation when we fought him before, esp since battle continuation has appeared to keep us alive not conscious.
>>4335579Just as a point of clarification, if you'd had the rank of Battle Continuation you presently have when you fought Shirou, you'd have stayed conscious through being hit by Caladbolg.Recovering from that kind of wound does take a lot of energy, though, you're right about that.
>>4335570>our armor doesn't cover our entire bodyI don't think conceptual defences work that way and if they do then we can just apply the immortality to the undersuit we seem to wear.Godhand is represented by Heracles' skin which doesn't cover his eyes and those don't get treated as weaknesses. After all we know that Archer should have the skill to hit even miniscule targets like that.Effortlessly, with Hrunting.Yet he never once does.We saw in this quest what happens when you try to cheat your way around a conceptual defense when Achilles regenerated from damage he never should have taken in the first place.In a way, powers in the Nasuverse work on the basis of who has the biggest capacity to just say "oh yeah?" To an enemy. >My Servant can't be cut!>Oh yeah? My sword cuts through space instead!>Oh yeah? My servant can regenerate! If Heilig was imbued with the ability to cause cursed unhealing wounds or had Harpe-like immortal slaying qualities, then the battle would've been over then and there, I imagine.No ability is truly absolute. Not even True Magic.
>>4335081>>4335270Now that I think about it...Black AND gold armour would be quite appealing to my sense of aesthetics.
>>4335584Thanks for the clarification, however assuming we do end up in a repeat situation would we still be in any condition to continue to fight at full capacity while we grow back our limbs?My main problem with it, aside from skipping an upgrade, is to me it sounds like they think we'd be getting infinite energy and not just extra, they talk like were getting days more of energy, the energy to burn on whatever spells we like, and the energy to repeatedly grow our limbs back over the course of that time.The point i'm trying to get across is I don't find it to be an acceptable trade off to skip an upgrade that would permanently reduce the amount of damage we take but only having a couple hours to fight without needing to feed on people vs having more mana, but we end up burning through so much of it recovering from the damage we could have avoided while also toying around with experimental magic that we end up effectively having the same amount of time anyway.
>>4335588God Hand effects the body, not just the skin.And the immortality you'd be using on the armor is Achilles "has an exploitable weakpoint" style immortality.So not only does our armor not cover our body completely, it probably won't even be completely covered even if we upgraded it.In our current situation it's an expense of energy we really don't need.>>4335619This is the energy of an entire neighborhood, and it's enough to allow Alberich to develop or copy a NP.The vote itself says to keep it as fuel for the coming days.It's obviously enough to do quite alot with it.
>>4335625>"has an exploitable weakpoint" style immortality.Haven't you been paying attention? The "exploitable weakpoint" was hardly exploitable. It was a very complex method that required poison to take effect and not something that the vast majority of servants would've been able to have a hope at dealing with. Honestly a little too puzzle like for my tastes and maybe too strong for the rank of NP, but you've got stuff that completely breaks the War like Rule Breaker at lower rank.And no, God Hand is quite specifically the skin. Alcides in Strange Fake when he loses God Hand loses his skin as does Heracles Alter in Heaven's Feel. It affects the entire body because that's how conceptual defenses work, but it is manifested as his skin.Hell, Gilgamesh doesn't even wear a helmet and the conceptual defense of his armor lets him tank an Excalibur boosted by command spells at a distance at the end of Zero.>The vote itself says to keep it as fuel for the coming days.But why would we do that when we could use the straight up power boost in order to find Ayaka or Lily? We ought to be taking action as soon as possible, not bunkering down. A vaccine is superior to a cure, after all. Why keep the energy to waste upon potentially healing ourselves in a fight when we could avoid taking that wound in the first place?
>>4335625>the immortality you'd be using on the armor is Achilles "has an exploitable weakpoint" style immortality.I also remember people getting assmad that attempting to bypass the defenses with HFS caused him to regenerate because "none without divinity may harm him" and when at one point Sweets mentioned something about how we had to use poison or divinity because just hitting the heel doesn't disable the regeneration or insta-kill him.>>4335637>We ought to be taking action as soon as possible, not bunkering down.This, if we're really concerned about mana capture a mage and attempt to use absorption on them to turn them into a battery, even if it doesn't work eating them should at least give us more mana than a mundane.
>>4335637It having a weakness at all is the problem.With our enemies always immediately figuring out how to deal with anything we throw at them, they'll find something that will render the upgrade pointless.To my recollection Heracles never loses God Hand at any point.We do see him when his skin isn't covered by it because he's regenerating, but God Hand itself covers his entire body and not just everywhere but his eyes.We have enough strength as it is to kill anybody left in the war, so long as we have sufficient magical energy.There's no need to use up our magical energy on this upgrade when we're already fine.>>4335658We don't know where either of them are, we have no idea how long looking for them will take, and we have several enemies that can track us down.If we take the upgrade we don't know how much energy we'll have left, and attempting to recreate a Noble Phantasm bestowed by a god on our armor will at least take almost if not all of the energy we just gathered, enough that we'll have to immediately track down something to sustain ourself with, and we'll end up in the previous situation where we're waiting for BFA to go off again, but this time everyone will be immediately going after us so we'll have to fight low on mana.Rider shows what happens when you sustain yourself on a few random people instead of having a good source of mana, she was far weaker than she normally was.We don't know where any mage family to feed on are either, so that won't work.Finally, it's not like the magical energy suddenly won't be able to be used to materialize an upgrade for us just because we don't immediately take the option when it shows up.
>>4335699>We don't know where either of them are,We know Shirou should be coming for us over BFA.> we have no idea how long looking for them will take,Unless Adelheid got offscreened we have her tailing them>we have several enemies that can track us down.We have Circe and Harris that can track us and Harris needs to take a breather if uses too often, the church has to search manually and Adelheid proved that the only reason Shirou found out where we were was because Medusa got careless when trying to keep us alive, none of which are a serious threat to 4 servants unless they all attack together, something that takes time to arrange during which we should be focused on eliminating those we know where they should be (Shirou or the church) and thing about BFA, unless Shirou went and told everyone which should've prompted Adelheid returning to warn us, the built in bounded field would've prevented them from knowing it happened until a patrol passes through the area after it has dropped delaying the response time.>We don't know where any mage family to feed on are either, so that won't work.We know where Shirou lives and even if they moved, it ignores that we should have multiple human-battery candidates coming for us very soon.To get this straight: we cant try to capture a mage because we don't know where they are or how long it will take to look, but we need the energy now because those same mages are going to be coming for us immediately and as such we cant feed on anyone; we can't assume we won't end up using all the mana we gained on the upgrade or when we use our new ability during the fight, but also can't assume we won't get the chance to take it later after we'll end up spending alot of it recovering from the injuries we could've easily avoided had we taken it? I'm sorry, I hate sounding like an asshole on this, but your argument really comes across like it's all over the place to me.
>>4334952>[X] Rather than attempting to recreate one of the other Noble Phantasms, try channeling the energy into strengthening a piece of your own equipment. (Helmet.)Am I the only one with a burning curiosity about what the helmet NP would do?Also, if we kill Shirou and feed off Sakura that should pretty much finish our energy problem permanently.
>>4335832When I was talking about the two, I was referring to Ayaka or Lily, not Emiya or Adelheid.We do know where the Emiya house is, but everyone there will be an active combatant, not people we can feed on.Yeah, I don't know how much mana it will take to catalyze a new NP, but the natural assumption will be quite a bit, especially considering the one that would be the model is one that was bestowed by a goddess and granted immortality so there's no way it's cheap.And we're a good fighter who can avoid most injury, the only times we got injured seriously were when we were either low on mana or lacked knowledge on our enemies, and we're at a point in the war that we know what the remaining parties are capable of, and can plan our fights around our knowledge.The armor upgrade won't even help against Odin, and everyone else is easy for us to take down with our current companions and equipment, but we do lack a stable source of mana.>>4335878We should get the chance to upgrade several items at once if we get the chance to do that, but she is a strong Magus who won't go down without a fight, and we don't have a way to gather her energy upon her death, so it's most likely that she'll just die unless we find Ayaka first.
Keep the energy from Bloodfort Andromeda as fuel for your coming battles>>4334963>>4334989Replicate Andreias Amarantos and combine it with your armor.>>4335019>>4335270>>4335325Create a new Noble Phantasm out of your armor.>>4335261Make your helmet into a new Noble Phantasm.>>4335878Have I missed anyone? If not, and if no votes change, I think I'll call this in an hour. Those of you still discussing, you've got 'til then to make your cases and sway folks.
>>4335889>We do know where the Emiya house is, but everyone there will be an active combatant, not people we can feed on.And how many of those aside from Shirou and a bloodlusted Sakura are a credible threat to 4 servants without extensive setup? What I was talking about all night is if we attempt to incapacitate a mage and try using absorption on to make into backup battery, not like Ayaka has already been running into issues with the mana burden to begin with.>The armor upgrade won't even help against OdinBecause its linked to our divinity? Sweets confirmed yesterday that won't be the case so we don't know if the "can only be harmed by a greater divinity" aspect still holds or if it changes to whatever the new factor might be.
Ayyy we back at it again.
>>4336140I'm working on it now, so hopefully there will be one.
Mulling over what to do with the surplus of energy now at your disposal, it occurs to you that you don't feel exactly dressed. Indeed, looking down at yourself you can observe that you're clad pitifully, wearing only slacks and a shirt open at the front to reveal the tightly wrapped, no-longer useful bandages that cover your chest. In that case what better use of this energy could there be, you wonder, than to remedy this pathetic situation? In fact, you quickly decide that you'll not only rematerialize your armor, but will create a whole new set to commemorate the occasion. One not only better looking, but far more powerful as well.There is, after all, a Noble Phantasm at your fingertips which could serve as the ideal material for armor or a shield. Having already taken one aspect of his person from him, you find that the structures of Berserker's skills and Noble Phantasm are particularly sharp in your mind. Although the energy required will be great you're perfectly confident in your ability to shape a replica of that Noble Phantasm which gave him his monstrous endurance within yourself, and then to reforge your own presently ethereal armor out of that Noble Phantasm while both still remain within the confines of your magic circuits. This, in fact, is precisely what you intend to do. Although the view of the city trapped within its new crimson walls and every instant supplying you with more magical energy is a highly pleasant one, you regretfully shut your eyes to it and turn your focus inward, first seeing in greater clarity the energy within you and then visualizing the composition of energy which you must create if you are to have Andreias Amarantos for yourself.Unfortunately such creation proves more difficult than expected. Much as when you attempted to replicate the affections his goddess mother bore him, you find that there is something about the Noble Phantasm which simply doesn't agree with your own situation. The half-formed energy of it is constantly slipping through your fingers, so to speak, and that which is constructed is of mystic energy of one or another of your own elements. At length, however, you do succeed in this struggle to recreate Andreias Amarantos and manage to wholly construct an interior magic sigil which almost precisely that you recall from Berserker's sacrifice. This you weave skillfully into your armor before opening your eyes once more to gaze out on the world as you are encased in a new and newly beautiful suit of armor. One certain never to give way in the face of an attack, however potent.Status Updated
As your new Noble Phantasm forms, it seems to you that you can throw your mind's eye outside of yourself, to observe your own body from a separate perspective as your new armor takes shape. Of course this is really no more than a visualization of the shape with which you are instantly familiar, having created it, but it is a useful mode of thought. Your new suit of armor is a large, ornate suit of black steel plate, decorated in many places with intricate patterns of inlaid gold and cut rubies, including a coat of arms emblazoned on the chest which you can't remember having ever seen in the past. Even your cloak has grown a sumptuous sable trim about the shoulders, a luxury for which you would surely be grateful at this time of year if you were a mere human. In addition to these changes in color and decoration, the general shape of the armor itself has become far less jagged than previously, and perhaps better designed for deflecting blows as a result. Only the helmet remains the same as ever, although its ornate white and gold lion-head design looks strangely well-suited to your new armor in spite of the opposite coloration. As you're pondering on this and other worthy details of your new appearance, you suddenly realize that you can see a person running up the street toward the Koyama Residence. It is, in fact, Emiya Shirou in the company of Tohsaka Rin and even his wife, Sakura. Medusa seems to notice them at the same time, for she immediately tenses as if to spring on them; with a raided hand, you restrain her and wait for Shirou to arrive outside the house on which you're standing. To look down on him so blatantly, you think with a chuckle, ought to do well in repaying him for the humiliation of being the weaker party when he visited you this morning.Finally Emiya does arrive, and when he looks up at you his face carries painted across its features all the misery, frustration, and righteous indignation you'd expected to see there. Whatever Emiya's talents may be, you doubt they're in unpredictability. He is the first to speak, however, angrily demanding, "Why did you do it, Alberich? Didn't I tell you I'd be back to night with a way to keep you alive?""Bloodfort Andromeda[/b] was ready," you answer with nonchalant frankness, smiling broadly down at your angry guest, and continue with a sardonic manner, "When it was, you were not here. I never promised to wait as long as it took you to find this hypothetical solution of yours.""So it was all for impatience? That was the only reason?" Emiya's expression of loathing for you only deepens, but it seems he hasn't yet tired of peace, for he once more attempts to make conversation by demands. "Just how many people has this barrier already absorbed? How many have you murdered to heal from those wounds?"
"Now, now, Emiya-san," you answer with a smirk, "that really is an unkind question for you to ask me. Suppose I were to ask you how many grains of rice were in your bowl this morning. How would you attempt to answer such a question?""You monster," Emiya breathes, momentarily taken back. "I guess I really was wrong about you, and everyone else had the right idea. You must've-">[ ] You abruptly decide you've had enough of Emiya's blathering. Put an end to his emotional outpouring by means of your sword.>[ ] For the moment, just wait. Emiya will have to make the first move eventually.>[ ] Say something to Emiya or his companions. (What?)>[ ] Do something else. (Write in)
Here's some concept art for your new Noble Phantasm, by the way. Obviously there are some significant differences, such as his ridiculously wide sword or the lack of rubies in the inlay, but the armor itself is essentially just what I was describing.
>>4336271>[ ] Say something to Emiya or his companions. (Tell them all to fuck off. Give them one last chance to take what of their family they have left and leave this place. We may be a "monster", but in the end, we aren't without compassion. He most likely won't go for it, but he deserves the chance to learn his place and escape with his life for at least trying to help. And this also opens up the possibility of killing him with Lily if he ever dares to show his face again.)
>>4336271Oh man, Emiya showing up already?That's just kinda upsetting.>>4336355Yeah I'll support this, but with the addition that if we do end up fighting, to only go for non-lethal strikes. We can capture them and assign an actual loyal guard to watch them, or not store them in a place with windows.I like Shirou too much to want to just kill him off like this. Call it personal bias. Sakura too. As well as Rin, I guess.That Jojo reference though... I don't know if there was much of a point in doing that, Sweets. It really does feel like we were warped into Carnival Phantasm at the end there, and we were doing a bit with Shirou.Also Medusa is right there and could paralyze sword boy and Rin basically immediately even at a distance, allowing her to easily capture them.>>4336273Armor is cool though.
>>4336271>[X] For the moment, just wait. Emiya will have to make the first move eventually.
Also good lord, it feels like our armor is actually foreshadowing us killing Shirou and immediately getting to see Dark Sakura 2.0 and dying horribly.
>>4336368>Alberich. >Pulling his punches.Looks like someone wants a repeat of the Matsuda fight!No, if he doesn't fuck off he needs to fucking die or we're gonna job again. Also, the idea that Alberich wouldn't slaughter someone that he offered mercy seems too OOC at this point.I do agree that the rice comment was a bit much, but Alberich does have a flare for the dramatic, so I can't hate.
>>4336383>pulling his punches>repeat of the Matsuda fightAs far as I can tell that wasn't caused by us pulling our punches and we are in a much better position now. The only person here who can really present a threat is Sakura, and Rider should be able to paralyze and chain Rin and Shirou without much effort.Then we can just ask Sakura to back down for their sake. Maybe offering one last chance to let them all go free with their family. Maybe even mention that we'll stop the Einzbern's pursuit of them or something.Or they can all die right there and leave the children orphaned. Shirou did arrive to attempt to help us, after all, and acting like a dick regardless of what he actually came here to do is a little much for my taste. We already did the dick move and activated Blood Fort out of impatience. Which probably should have been a vote, mind you.
>>4336389>We already did the dick move and activated Blood Fort out of impatience. Which probably should have been a vote, mind you.You aren't wrong, but come on. Have you seen Alberich's Pride score? It would be weird for Alberich not to use blood fort for petty bullshit reasons. And after getting that sick upgrade and don't really have to heart to complain.Regardless, I guess we'll see what happens.For all we know, murderhobos will sweep in and make whatever small disagreement we have pointless anyway.
>>4336271>>4336368Supporting.Less because I care about Shirou and more because finding a way to break his will would be a far greater triumph than just plain killing him even if it's riskier.
>>4336271>[ ] You abruptly decide you've had enough of Emiya's blathering. Put an end to his emotional outpouring by means of your sword.
>>4336271>[X] You abruptly decide you've had enough of Emiya's blathering. Put an end to his emotional outpouring by means of your sword.Maybe also say something like this: There was no other way and you should know that. Waiting would have ended exactly like this anyway and I learned my lession about giving time to my enemies with Harrison.People choose the shiny which leaves us ill prepared for any prolonged fight. And like predicted Emiya appeared due to BFA.Let's at least not drag this out anymore than necessary by trying to take prisoners, which would need us to burn additional mana for our sword.We need to end this fast and replenish our mana, which at least we could try to do with our enemies or we need to avoid this confrontation alltogether.
>>4336513We have Medusa right here with us though?Subduing the Emiyas isn't exactly going to be difficult for us.
>>4336271>[ ] You abruptly decide you've had enough of Emiya's blathering. Put an end to his emotional outpouring by means of your sword.It's time. Get over your personal bias about these characters. We don't have the time or the means to hold them prisoner. They won't leave when they're so worried about the Grail. Shirou has been nice, sure. But we've played him for a fool each time he's been nice. He won't be so forgiving anymore.
>>4336523And that's why we already killed him the last time. Or did he knock us unconscious?Also the same thing could be said about Harris. Heck, they literally just need to survive long enough for us to run out of mana and they know it. I'm pretty sure Medusa runs on our mana, so if she fights that's only increasing the drain on us.Do we even have enough servant proof rope to tie them up if we win?
>giving shirou the chance to activate UBWguys please no. just attack
>>4336578Don't be ridiculous. UBW takes like a ten-count to set up.He'll die or get KO'd before he finishes the incantation.
>>4336578You can say what you will, but they have the arrogance and pride down pat. Dismissing enemies as threats, etc.Just with the self-preservation do we have a problem.
>>4336578>>4336580isn't Sakura, the one less likely to fight, the only person here that can easily bypass our new armor as well? I doubt Rin's going to have those A-rank Jewels in huge supply and be fast enough to hit a Servant with them
>>4336583You want to depend on Sakura not fighting when we fight Shirou?Also Rin doesn't need to use the A-Rank jewels. She just needs to mix them up with normal ones. Unless we want to gamble with which ones are which we would need to defend from all of them and we can't just activate Kenotis all the time since we don't have the mana.
>>4336583>A rank JewelsWorthless.We have Magic Resistance: A still.Only way they can hurt us is Broken Phantasms and Sakura fighting us.Even UBW wouldn't be able to harm us now.We're invincible. Live a little.>>4336368Supporting
This shit is so infuriating. Take them seriously as threats and just deals with them in the least energy intensive way. Play it smart, without all the unnecessary bullshit that doesn't even make sense. Non-lethal? Are you kidding me? How would we hold them prisoner? Why would we? Every time we get the chance to make progress you guys do this and then complain about when it goes poorly and draws things out too long.
>>4336271>>4336355I'll support, was working on something similar over the night but writing dialogue isn't my forte and could never get to sound quite right, main difference I had was something along lines of:"When last we met you told me you had nothing, how long did you expect me to sit idly by waiting on some vain hope when the people I do care about are out there being hunted down like dogs?"
>>4336593>how would we hold them prisoner?I wonder if we could one of our literally tireless servants to maybe watch over them...And we can see about doing whatever Kirei does to Rin in UBW to stop her from busting out of her bindings. As for energy intensive?Shirou just went out of his way to bring us a way to recover our energy.
>>4336596But why go through all that effort when we're in absolutely dire survival mode? Your priorities are fucked. We have countless other things to focus on.
>>4336593>How would we hold them prisoner?Ribbons, attempt absorption geas, amputations>Why would we?Batteries, food rations
>>4336597>dire survival mode We aren't anymore.And because magical energy on tap is better than a 2 day wait for recovery.
>>4336602>Ribbons, attempt absorption geasI thought you said something about not using up that much mana just last thread?First would take mana to keep up. The second took a lot of time the last time we did it with Medusa and the last...Are we an experienced medic? Because doing massive amputations like that without equipment or experience is just killing them in a creative way.
>>4336603Then kill everyone besides Sakura. Shirou is just a drain in any way then.
>>4336602We need to find Ayaka and Lily to permanently solve the energy problem. I care more about them than Shirou and the others because I'm actually capable of voting without my judgement being completely clouded by pro-Shirou bias.
>>4336271>[X] You abruptly decide you've had enough of Emiya's blathering. Put an end to his emotional outpouring by means of your sword.Time to settle with this asshole.
>1 post by this ID Who are you fooling, Shirouhater?
>>4336617Don't you feel hypocritical? Seeing as you only have exactly one post by your id?
>>4336619Difference is I haven't voted, you dumb asshole.
>>4336617My ID changes daily because of my IP. I was >>4335878 earlier.
>>4336606>First would take mana to keep up. The second took a lot of time the last time we did it with Medusa and the last...If it takes longer than a few seconds to hold a restrain and do what we need to do with A agility we have problems esp since only one of them can actually hurt us without killing the one we're going for, the second took alot of time because we targeted someone with a mental world that restricted us by their time's standards as a hero, the only one that might do the same to us is Shirou and we got problems if we go for the one with the least mana>>4336610>pro-Shirou biasIf it's possible to forge a link with absorption and it works similar to everyone else we did it to we get control over the mana flow and can feed off them, as stated when debated feeding off Saber, while also imprinting a order in them to not harm us in any way, I couldn't care less about keeping them alive after we find Lily/Ayaka and they can get sacrificed for all I care.
>>4336620A yes, because of course that makes a difference.Couldn't be that people just vote and don't take part in discussion, like they really often do.Or id's change. Better to insult on assumptions.
>>4336623Have you considered that everyone else we've used absorption on is a spirit? I think that makes them way more susceptible to control magic then flesh and blood people are. Especially mages.
>>4336626I have, but at the same time geas' are a thing and so are the master/servant link, theoretically It should be possible but if it doesn't work we can bleed them dry for extra mana for all I care, leaving them alive without at least one as a bound "hostage" would just make them a constant problem anyway.
>>4336269Gah, another formatting error! I hate the way these things happen.>>4336368>It really does feel like we were warped into Carnival Phantasm at the end there, and we were doing a bit with Shirou.Oh no, I'm sorry you feel that way. You folks have always gotten such a kick out of Alberich inserting such references, I figured you'd enjoy it here.
>>4336389>We already did the dick move and activated Blood Fort out of impatience. Which probably should have been a vote, mind youI think I mentioned this in the last thread, but there were two places in that update where I would probably have broken off for a vote if I hadn't already been delaying so much. The first would've been about whether to send Futodoki back and what to say to him and the second would've been about whether or not to activate Bloodfort Andromeda when you did. After thinking about it, though, I decided that under the circumstances you folks would appreciate more progress more than you would the chance to branch the story more, so I had Alberich decide for himself.
>>4336662Works for me.
>>4336654>>4336662>You folks have always gotten such a kick out of Alberich inserting such references, I figured you'd enjoy it here.That's fair. We did love our Dio memes back in the day, and I can't say it's not in character, but still, time and place. >I decided that under the circumstances you folks would appreciate more progress more than you would the chance to branch the story more, so I had Alberich decide for himself.Ah, there you go again. Doing shit with the best intentions that would obviously lead to a shitstorm under proper scrutiny. It seems like every time you let Alberich "decide for himself" something like this happens, but I guess that comes with having a MC with such a bold personality. As you can see, however, there is a sizable contingency of folks that didn't quite intend to reap a bloody ruin upon Emiya just yet, for whatever their reasons and having Alberich playing the role of the complete psychopath doesn't help matters. I can't really blame you for wanting to speed things up, or even writing him how you did, but this is a pretty big moment in Alberich's character. Please be careful next time. I have no delusions in my head that Emiya would have to die eventually, but it's the details that make things worth reading.
>>4336654I think there isn't a problem with Alberich making the reference, because that's something of a character quirk of his, but the fact that he needed the set-up from Shirou to actually make it. Making it feel just a little bit too meme-y for the tone of the scene. Do you get what I mean?>>4336662I suppose that's fair enough, but still. If a decision the main character makes will have a major impact on the story depending on how the decision turns out, it probably ought to be left down to the players. At least that's my logic, generally.
>>4336668I don't plan on making a habit of passing you folks over for significant choices, if that's what you're getting at. This one was something of a foregone conclusion, though, so I felt the benefits of one continuous update would outweigh the drawbacks.>>4336681>Do you get what I mean?I do. It could've been done better, for sure; all I can say is that it was very late at night when I was writing that update, and I fell asleep immediately after getting it done.>At least that's my logic, generally.And mine. Generally. By the way, here's an alternative design for your new armor that I was thinking of going with if you'd asked for an all black style. I think it might be a bit too chuuni to take seriously, though.
>>4336687>it was very late at night when I was writing that update, and I fell asleep immediately after getting it done.Oh yeah I know that feeling.Ah well, it's not like it's particularly egregious. >And mine. Generally. I know the feeling, sometimes you'll just end up having votes where you'll need the players to make lots of important choices in quick succession. Which can make actually writing updates a bit of a pain.Still, Bloodfort probably would've won out anyway. So it's not really that big of a deal for you to make the choice.>a bit too chuuniWay too chuuni for my taste, honestly.That looks like an effeminate anime Sauron.
>>4336271>[ ] You abruptly decide you've had enough of Emiya's blathering. Put an end to his emotional outpouring by means of your sword by making a beeline to Sakura at hypersonic speed and vertically bisecting her as the opening attack.I'm truly sorry best FSN heroine. Nothing personnel :'(
Offer Emiya the chance to take his family and leave. Attempt to capture rather than kill if it comes to a fight.>>4336355>>4336368>>4336569>>4336594Wait for Emiya to attack you.>>4336369Attack Emiya before he continues his harangue.>>4336444>>4336513>>4336526>>4336612Jump down and attack Sakura.>>4336893This is just a tally for now; I plan to call the vote in another 7 hours, at 9:00pm, so you have the afternoon to continue your debate and settle this tie one way or the other.
>>4336893Come on man, vote to attack shirou. Otherwise we'll be stuck trying to capture them which is straight up retarded
>>4336949Fine, but I'm going on record saying Sakura would have been a better target to try to speedblitz.>>4336271Add >>4336893 to the>Attack Emiya before he continues his haranguepile
>>4336947Did you miss some votes? >>4336404>>4336586
>>4336954Apparently I did, yes. Here's the new tally, then:Offer Emiya the chance to take his family and leave. Attempt to capture rather than kill if it comes to a fight.>>4336355>>4336368>>4336569>>4336594>>4336404>>4336586Wait for Emiya to attack you.>>4336369Attack Emiya before he continues his harangue.>>4336444>>4336513>>4336526>>4336612>>4336952
I just want to see one legitimate reason and plan for taking them prisoner.
>>4336988You've been given them though?I'd just like to see one legitimate reason not to take them prisoner.
>>4336993We're in a time crunch to find Ayaka and Lily, we have no way to securely contain them, we gain no benefit from keeping them prisoner, fighting to incapacitate requires more energy than fighting to kill, etc. I can keep going if you like.
Putting aside taking them prisoner, I am curious to know what your plan is for the best way to keep them prisoner. I don't want to sway the argument one way or the other, mind, but I would like to know what your plans are in that regard. Rope isn't likely to be very effective for holding Shirou, after all, and you don't have your sister with you.
>>4337004>we're in a time crunch.Then why not force Rin to use her familiars to help us search?In fact? Why fight at all? We ought to run away if time is that crucial.>no way to securely contain them.Saber doesn't need sleep and with the proper orders can be an excellent warden. Rider can also keep watch.>no benefitMagical energy? Rin and Sakura are both excellent for recovery. >fighting to incap takes more effort We have Medusa.The only one who could resist Cybele is Sakura and she would surrender for Shirou and Rin's life.No valid reasons.
>>4337013>Saber doesn't need sleep and with the proper orders can be an excellent warden. Rider can also keep watch.Still no secure place to contain them. We have to remain mobile while we search for our allies. And don't forget that Riders eyes got nerfed hard when she was lolified.
>>4337007>Rope isn't likely to be very effective for holding ShirouClearly we ought to get him a blindfold then.Jokes aside, we can just play mind games with them.Keep them in three separate rooms fairly long distances away from each other, tell them that any attempt to escape will automatically trigger a mundane explosive that will incinerate the contents of the other two cells. In addition, how about we give Shirou and Sakura one of their kids each to stay in their cell with them.
>>4337013>Then why not force Rin to use her familiars to help us search? How?>In fact? Why fight at all? We ought to run away if time is that crucial.They're a threat to the Grail that's been ignored for too long.
>>4337016>Nerfed hardNot so hard that paralysing Rin and Shirou wouldn't be easy for her anyway.
>>4337019How?Threats.If threatening her directly doesn't work.Threaten Sakura or one of the kids.
>>4337024I just think that whenever we do all this extraneous shit it blows up in our faces every time. Killing them is simpler and less risky, and doesn't sidetrack us from our main goal. It's not surprising since this happens constantly but I was hoping we'd learn a lesson eventually.
>>4337029Saber didn't. Rider it's iffy but we got what we wanted and only got blown up because our allies were having an off-day and we "accidentally" made the best magus on the planet (except Odin) hate us through carelessness.
>>4337040Whatever man. I just know we're in the endgame now and it's not the time to lose focus on our goals. Nothing I can say will convince anyone so I'll shut up now. There's still no plan on how to keep them prisoner that makes sense. Guess I'll just watch shit go terribly and wait months for legitimate plot progress like always.
This is taking the "keep your friends close and enemies closer" adage way too literally. Our name is irrevocably mud with them now, and wasting our still-limited resources on capturing and guarding them is inconceivable. Maybe we could have managed if the manor hadn't been blown up but in the current circumstances it's just silly.Not to mention the high probability of Assassin popping in to make us fumble our already half-assed attacks so I'm not convinced we're even going to capture them to begin with.I'm going to have to headcanon Alberich unconsciously wanting to grind more XP and ability-boosts because he's been leaving his enemies around so they can perpetuate the conflict rather than just defeating them permanently.
>>4337122Nobody cares. It's just "muh shirou" with these people. Alberich doesn't care nearly as much about shirou as the apparent majority of players do. Sweets should've never included them in the quest.
That's what Sweets did better in Akeldama, using less canon characters. Once we entered the real world players started voting based on their own out-of-quest Fate preferences which led to all of the worst segments of Awakening Mirror.
>>4336956I don't know If I'm late, but I support >>4336355. Shirou's a good boy.
>>4337161>Shirou's a good boy.Case in point.
>>4337171He is. He's such a lovable autist. We have to protect his dream.
Setup:>>4337122>>4337141>>4337143Punchline:>>4337161I get a real kick out of running this quest, folks, thanks.
>>4337185The jokes on the apparently few players who actually care about Alberich's story.
>>4337185We're getting to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if the players allowed Alberich to die to keep Shirou alive. Very frustrating.
>>4337191I care, you know. When it comes to either laughter or frustration, though, I think it's better to laugh.
>>4337205What irritates me is the one-two punch of Sweets being pressured into rushing to the Bloodfort instead of leaving a chance to hear Shirou's alternative (I was the anon who made the write-in when we were talking with him so I at least wanted to hear it out) and now against all roleplaying common-sense Alberich is going to have to come up with a justification for fighting non-lethally AGAIN when we've burned the diplomatic bridges and the enemy has 100% motivation to go all-out.If Shirou gave us a reasonable chance to recover even if it wasn't as effective as the Bloodfort that could have been a character-development opportunity where the Shiroufags could have made a plausible in-character case to cooperate with him, sacrificing personal power for a diplomatic arrangement that had potential if played properly. But now we're stuck with this insanity!
>>4337234I'm sure Alberich would've decided what to do again if it were OOC to do anything but attack.
>>4336271>>4336369Since nobody else wants to wait for Shirou to make the first strike I may as well switch to just attacking.
>>4337234>against all roleplaying common-sense Alberich is going to have to come up with a justification for fighting non-lethally AGAINOh, he has a reason; you don't need to worry about that. Non-lethal doesn't exactly need to translate to fighting with good intentions, after all. What's a bit tougher to write around is making Emiya the offer to leave.We're tied again now, though, so who knows what I'll end up writing tonight.
Offer Emiya the chance to take his family and leave. Attempt to capture rather than kill if it comes to a fight.>>4336355>>4336368>>4336569>>4336594>>4336404>>4336586>>4337161Attack Emiya before he continues his harangue.>>4336444>>4336513>>4336526>>4336612>>4336952>>4337311>>43373347-6There's no tie.
>>4336271[ ] You abruptly decide you've had enough of Emiya's blathering. Put an end to his emotional outpouring by means of your sword.I usually don't get a chance to vote but I'll break the tie.I don't know why everyone's still moping though, we've got our groove back and a sick suit of armor to boot.
>>4336271>>4337374Whoops, nearly fucked that up.
>>4336271>[ ] You abruptly decide you've had enough of Emiya's blathering. Put an end to his emotional outpouring by means of your sword.To some, I am a monster. To those I care about I am a hero. You are not someone I care about.
>>4337141>It's just "muh shirou" with these peopleAnd its just "muh risk" with yours, we got bitten a few times on some poorly thought out calls and now you're scared to try anything new, frankly I just want to test if we can make the attempt we can kill them if it doesn't work, hell we can kill them if it does just to make the survivors easier to manage.
>>4337515Or we can get crippled again or lose an ally. Don't pretend that there is no risk here.
>>4336271>>[X] You abruptly decide you've had enough of Emiya's blathering. Put an end to his emotional outpouring by means of your sword.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVhtq6ICOZ4Onwards and upwards.
>>4337520There's always that risk unless were being thrown a softball, hell even then we don't know whats going on behind the scenes, still I dont really care to take Shirou alive, I just want to try to capture one as a battery and he's the weakest, I''d switch if we can try to capture Rin since Sakura's too volatile to be worth it if we start stacking bodies.
>>4337529Sure, but you don't need to make it as big as possible by deciding to try any fancy things right now. Because if we go too low on mana during this fight using it up for restraints, then we definitely will drop the upkeep for Medusa before we die.And if we lose Medusa then we don't get any do-overs or can decide to switch strategies to get her back.
>>4337529Shirou is being powered by Sakura.If we kill her then he'll die.
>>4337541Medusa shouldn't be taking energy from us, given we felt no such thing and that they felt nothing similar to the lack of mana we did.
>>4337547We have a master servant bond with her. And part of why we strained Ayaka even more after we got Medusa was Medusa and her sisters drawing even more power over us from Ayaka.
>>4337547Where did you think she gets her mana?
>>4337556>Where did you think she gets her mana?Considering she didn't start fading when we did, I figure HFS' sustaining miracle might have something to do with it.
>>4337553>>4337556Not only has Alberich not felt her taking mana from him, he hasn't felt it from her sisters either, additionally, they haven't said they are being sustained by his mana.Besides that, Stheno and Euryale are incredibly weak goddesses, so the amount of strain they would put is negligible.Medusa should be being sustained by the leylines same as Saber.What I'm more curious about is why Alberich referred to himself as Adelheid's anchor.
>>4337542Why I said capture Rin, if we kill any of them we kill Shirou since he'd provide the least mana and guarantees the removal of rule breaker as a way out, and if he dies we kill Sakura to remove the chance of Dark Sakura making an appearance, meanwhile Rin provides decent mana and her magecraft depends on spending valuable rocks, she's the easiest to imprison after we rob her.
Sorry, folks, but I don't think I'll be able to write tonight after all. A family matter's come up and I don't think I can get back to the computer for the next few hours, by which time it'll be around midnight here.I'll get to writing as soon as possible tomorrow, though, you have my word on that.
>>4336594>>4336956Switching over to Attack, so long as we can still do this >>4337594 I may as well bring the count into the double digits if the tally's accurate.
Happy Independence Day, folks! Looks like you ended up deciding to celebrate with a shocking upset!Seriously, I wasn't expecting this vote to turn out this way. It's a shocker. I'm writing now, though.
>>4338330Hyped for the update!
This, you think, is the point at which the potential for a reasonable, or even an entertaining conversation is at its end. Emiya has reached a pitch of moral fury sufficient to decry your supposed evil, and will under no circumstances be persuaded to see things from your perspective. In the middle of his sentence, heedless of his words, you leap from the rooftop. As you fall, you prepare to materialize your sword, and the moment your boots slam fully down in the damp grass of the Koyamas' front garden is the moment you spring forward and drive Heiligöffnungschwert through Emiya's throat. He hadn't taken no precautions, of course; while you fell he saw your intention to strike him and tried to step outside your range, but having the advantage of speed you could easily close with him faster than he could retreat or sidestep. He stares at you over the blade, looking in mute shock and fury at you, unable to utter more than a gurgle and incapable of articulating beyond his burning eyes. "Silence," you say in the same coldly polite tone with which you received him this morning, stepping forward again and running your blade farther through Emiya, closing in on him until your crossguard is pressed against his wound, so that you can lean forward and speak directly into the dying man's ear. "To some I may be a monster," you continue softly, "but to those I care about I am a hero, Emiya. Heroism and monstrosity are matters of perspective, for a hero is one who saves, and a monster is one who destroys. One cannot save all humanity, however; for one to be saved, another must be condemned. This is the zero-sum game, the great competition of life in which we live, and in the Holy Grail War this natural pressure is intensified to all the more potent a degree. You survived a Holy Grail War yesterday, and your wife spoke of the sensation of consuming human souls. Don't pretend to me you're unfamiliar with the dynamic of sacrificing others for one's own gain."Emiya's mouth works, no-doubt shaping words of protest against your uncharitable opinion of him, but no sound issues from his mouth. With mild amusement, you note that no blood flows from the place where Emiya is impaled, for all that you've severed his jugular. Emiya's blood, after all, is flowing through the portal in your blade to be spilled somewhere in the Realm of Imaginary Numbers. How fortunate it is for this part of Emiya, you think sardonically, to ascend to the realm of the Gods while the whole dies wretchedly here, hanging on your sword. Then, with vicious energy, you step back and rip the sword from Emiya, sending the first and only spurt of blood out of his wound in pursuit of your blade as the man falls, lifeless, to the ground. As his wife and comrade look on in mute astonishment, you declare to the corpse, "You, unfortunately, are not one of those I care for. To you I must be monstrous."
With Emiya dealt with, you step over the corpse to move closer to his two companions. As of yet, they appear too stunned by the man's sudden execution to do anything, so you have rather a free hand in how best to deal with them. As you're doing this, however, you hear a movement in the grass behind you; a shuffling, rustling sound in the wet blades, as of someone first getting to his feet and then springing forward. You turn just in time to catch one of Emiya's blades in the palm of your left hand while cutting the other in two by blocking it with Heiligöffnungschwert. Somehow, despite the certainly fatal blow you dealt him and the visibly gaping hole in his throat where his spinal cord was severed and his jugular vein opened, he is capable of standing and fighting; fighting, indeed, with no less speed and precision than when you last saw him in battle with Berserker. With the precision of a machine, he rains down blow after blow on you, his blades reforming each time one is cut, and despite your superiority of speed it's all you can do to defend yourself, so skilled is he in reading your movements. The only testament to his wound in his capabilities is the man's utter muteness, for whatever else he may be capable of, Emiya obviously can't make a sound with severed vocal cords.Throughout the long, grinding battle, the Tohsaka woman and Emiya's wife are kept as spectators by the vigilance of Medusa. Briefly you wonder whether Emiya Sakura, with all that energy at her disposal, shouldn't be able to overwhelm your Servant, but the battle requires too much focus for you to think much on such topics. Indeed despite all your attentions, you gradually find yourself outmaneuvered. By a careful series of misdirections Emiya manages to entice you into blocking four simultaneous blows from two flying blades and two in his hands by sweeping your blade around you in a wide arc to destroy all the weapons at a stroke, and in the opening created by that enormous blow to bring two more newly created daggers to bear on your throat, set to sever it like a pair of scissor blades. Finally, with a sense of hilarity at your having been so put into checkmate, you simply let your sword dematerialize, and take the blows. The red-stained night reverberates with the bell-like ring of Emiya's blades slamming into your gorget. There, though the strike was made with force enough to pierce your old armor, a force no doubt measured by analysis of your battle with Berserker, they are stopped. In the moment of surprise, to which Emiya is still susceptible in spite of all his skill, your hands flick up and catch him by the wrists.
"Do you see now, Emiya?" you ask, grinning into a face twisted by mute anger and frustrated righteousness. "This isn't a battle between you and I, however resilient you may be. I've seen your limits in our old fights; I've taken the measure of them; and I've surpassed them. Now there's nothing you can do to me. No attack you can make without that Reality Marble of yours can pierce my defenses, and in your current condition you've no hope of reciting the little poem you orthodox magi need to make use of your abilities. It's almost a shame, really; if only you'd had the kind of teacher I've had, you wouldn't be suffering so now."Emiya, unsurprisingly, makes no reply, though you can hear a sharp intake of breath and a pained "Senpai," from his wife. Finished gloating, you hammer a kick into Emiya's gut and release his wrists at the same moment, sending him flying across the yard with the force of the impact. You don't let him go far, though, before you spring forward and make one final strike with Heiligöffnungschwert. Tracing a circle with the blade, you sever each limb from your enemy's torso as well as his head. By the time the sundry pieces have landed, to the sound of an incoherent scream of abject horror from his wife, there is no possibility in your mind of Emiya's continued ability to fight. There's no Emiya now, after all; no man who wounded your pride and insulted you with his moral preaching. Only the flesh remains of the man, and that is scattered around the garden. His life, along with the mystery behind his strange abilities, is gone from the world. Emiya Shirou's last act is to stain the Koyamas' flowers and shrubs with the same crimson as the night sky in Bloodfort Andromeda.DEAD END
With Emiya dealt with, you turn to his companions. Now, for the second time, you consider how best to deal with them. >[ ] Order Medusa to take Tohsaka Rin prisoner. Kill Emiya's wife yourself.>[ ] Order Medusa to take Emiya Sakura prisoner. You'll deal with the sorcerer's apprentice.>[ ] Order Medusa to take the both of them prisoner and go inside to contemplate your next move.>[ ] Capture the two of them by means of tendrils of Nothingness, then interrogate them here about the nature of Assassin.>[ ] Do something else. (Write in)
Sorry for the wait, folks. I ended up rewriting parts of today's update repeatedly, trying to get a version of this that didn't read like an absurd power fantasy even though there's really not much that Shirou can do in these circumstances. Hopefully I didn't do too bad a job.Anyway, here's the latest version of the PDF, brought up to this update. I suggest you reread the last update in it, since I made some changes to hopefully improve the scene and tweak the reference folks were complaining about. I edit most updates when I add them to the PDF in this way, but I thought it was worth pointing out this time after yesterday's discussion.
>>4339246>[ ] Order Medusa to take Tohsaka Rin prisoner. Kill Emiya's wife yourself.We're probably also gonna have to find out where they put their kids.Don't want a yonger pair of Emiya siblings trying anything funny now do we gang?
>>4339246>[ ] Order Medusa to take Tohsaka Rin prisoner. Kill Emiya's wife yourself.
>>4339246>>[X] Order Medusa to take Tohsaka Rin prisoner. Kill Emiya's wife yourself.
>>4339261I think it made sense, we are objectively more powerful than he was. Nothing absurd about it.
>>4339246>[ ] Order Medusa to take Tohsaka Rin prisoner. Kill Emiya's wife yourself.Shame we couldn't mindbreak Shirou or that Lily couldn't be here to see us, but whatever. Best of luck to Emiya in his next timeline.
>>4339246Eeesh. That was quite... uncomfortable. This whole evil route has gotten a little too uncomfortable in general.I can only hope that Alberich gets the end he deserves.>[ ] Order Medusa to take the both of them prisoner and go inside to contemplate your next move.
>>4339299Are you seriously complaining that the Evil route is too icky?
>>4339299Don't worry, anon, if I understand you correctly this is most likely the high water mark of this sort of discomfort in the War.Of course, I could be wrong. I can't choose what to do for you folks; but that's my feeling, at least.
On that subject, folks, what do you want to do next? Shirou was the most pressing threat to your safety; like I said earlier, you have fairly complete freedom to prosecute the War at this point. Where do you go from here?
>>4339299>This whole evil route has gotten a little too uncomfortable in general.It's cause all the compassionfags like you left months ago. Alberich has been riding high on his Pride for the past forever and nothing has come up to stop him. Lolicon Psycopath is his character now, god bless it. >>4339323>On that subject, folks, what do you want to do next?Find our Wife.Find our Master.Find the rest of our crew. Kill our Brother and his Master.Final push towards the end of the war.
>>4339329>riding high on his Pride for the past forever and nothing has come up to stop himExcept all the Dead Ends and the house explosion and losing his limbs and getting trapped in Medusa and being betrayed by his own allies and having his prisoners escape from under his nose and getting played like a fool by human magus twice.But sure *nothing* has stopped Alberich. He's an unyielding force of pride and power.>>4339314I'm just saying that when dealing with another story's protagonist in a quest like this that it's not narratively satisfying to just stomp them to death with ease in front of their loved ones. It does a disservice to the original story.I ought to know, I run a quest with an evil protagonist in direct opposition to the canon heroes.I mean, turning him into a pile of limbs? Couldn't you have gone for a comparatively more respectful vertical bisection? It feels over the top.Good grief. >>4339320You say that but it looks like Alberich is murdering Sakura next.
>>4339323Find Lily and Ayaka.
>>4339343>I run a quest with an evil protagonist in direct opposition to the canon heroesIs that you, What? Or is there another evil protagonist quest I've been missing?>I mean, turning him into a pile of limbs? Couldn't you have gone for a comparatively more respectful vertical bisection? It feels over the top.Hey, when somebody's doll body gets up after losing the function of his spinal cord you don't take any more chances. For all Alberich knows, maybe Shirou could paste himself back together like Berserker provided the pieces were all together. It's all about being thorough.
>>4339343The Dead Ends literally didn't happen so they don't count. Besides that, half of those situations lead to net possitive things such as the Medusa situation leading to him getting 3 new lolis. The other half aren't situations that would lead to Alberich expressing any compassion, To anyone he wouldn't already anyway, just situations that would damage his swollen ego.I also feel you're being a baby about Emiya's death, or did you forget the dozens of extremely horrible way Shirou tends to end up dead in the VN?
>>4339246>>[ ] Order Medusa to take Tohsaka Rin prisoner. Kill Emiya's wife yourselfGood update, dead end almost had me worried when I saw it.>what do you want to do next?For me the overall goal is the same, finish the war and relocate our allies, I just have a more roundabout way of going for it.Once we finish here and deal with them we go on an offensive against the church, kill the priest and burn it to the ground, we deal with an enemy for a few days until they can regroup and hopefully any of our allies who are still loyal and watching in would come to us instead of having to go on a goose chase to find them, it might draw out Matsuda again as well, at which point we turn him into a torso, absorption him, and stick him in the wheelchair to wait to be sacrificed by Ayaka when we find her.
>>4339343Fuck respecting the original story. This quest is its own story and doesn't have to kiss the ring of the source material.
>>4339356>Is that you, What?Not What, Who?>For all Alberich knows, maybe Shirou could paste himself back together like Berserker provided the pieces were all together. It's all about being thorough.I'm pretty certain that Shirou probably would've mentioned before this point if he were literally immortal. Seems like an important detail to bring up if you're going to be fighting alongside somebody with incredible strength. I don't know, it just feels comically brutal.>>4339367>I also feel you're being a baby about Emiya's death, or did you forget the dozens of extremely horrible way Shirou tends to end up dead in the VN?I'm going to quote you on this one.>The Dead Ends literally didn't happen so they don't count.Also there's a difference between a character dying during their story and a character dying after their story.>>4339371Ouch. That's hardly what I'd want to hear if I were writing a story I had once described as "Setting out to write a fan sequel of Fate/Stay Night."
>>4339368We should also probably hold off on killing more servants till after we find Lily and check the grail, that way if we end up running into a fight with Odin, although less prepared than i'd like, with his soul apparently being worth 3x the value we'd be less likely to risk ending the grail war early before we can check what team assassin did to it.
>>4339384And what did it say after the end of that post?>Dead End. This isn't Shirou's story so as far as we're conserned he's dead. But do not cry for him sweet anon, because in some other worldline or whatever, your boy is just fine and dandy, probably getting his Tiger Shamp right now. Or better yet he's sitting at home, fucking sakura while rider and the kids watch!Never ever forget what this shit is. Indulgent fanfiction. Plain and simple. Alberich isn't real, he can't hurt you or your favorite characters. Calm down.
>>4339246>[ ] Order Medusa to take Tohsaka Rin prisoner. Kill Emiya's wife yourself.did not expect that to go so well, so long Emiya, maybe in another world, we could've been friends, but do not fret nor worry, your wife will soon join you
>>4339246>[ ] Order Medusa to take Tohsaka Rin prisoner. Kill Emiya's wife yourself.Drinking Sakura's blood would net us a lot of energy. I hope we can store some for later as well.I liked the bit about heroism, really showed a fundamental difference between us and Shirou.
>>4339620>I liked the bit about heroism, really showed a fundamental difference between us and Shirou.Thanks anon, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Reading it back though, I realized that I wrote "You survived a Holy Grail War yesterday." I have absolutely no idea why I wrote that. I know I had it in my head as "You survived a Holy Grail War fifteen years ago," and that's what should be written there. For some reason, though, it came out as "yesterday".
>>4339620I liked it too, really showed Alberich to be the eighteen year old pseudo-intellectual he really is. Emotionally he hasn't matured a day since Akeldama ended, has he?I do hope that he wasn't supposed to be taken seriously there because that was total shlock he was selling while attempting to justify callous mass murder.Then he actually attacked his opponent before they could respond because he knew his argument held about as much water as a helium balloon. Sure kill em all I don't care about the other characters anymore.>>4339750That just made it sound more like he didn't know what he was talking about.I might need to take a break from all of this, it's just depressing me.Somewhere along the line you've caused your anons to all become especially bloodthirsty just so they can end the story and quest faster.I don't think I would even read a Part 3 if that was the philosophy used to reach it.I'm more interested in seeing you run that OC quest you mentioned after this quest anyway. I can't see much appeal in just wandering about after the war without any real aim other than the nebulous "take over the planet."
>>4339243https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sqRredXIFIHow strange it feels to be the dead-end monster.Goodnight sweet Shirou. In another time we could have told you to fuckoff, and in another time from there, you could have taken it. But we didn't, and you probably wouldn't without a trip to the dojo first.My only complaint about the whole thing is I really would have liked to see Shirou go back and forth with us, honestly. Shirou's dialogue in fights has always been fun to see. That said, I understand the necessity to eliminate his ability to use his reality marble as necessary for victory, so I'm not sure if I have the right to wish for an alternative, despite it being disappointing. >>4339246>[ ] Order Medusa to take Tohsaka Rin prisoner. Kill Emiya's wife yourself.Time to see if Sakura can kill us or not somehow, I suppose. It feels weird that Rider's enabling all of this. Not that I don't get why, but It's weird to see it.
>>4339820>I do hope that he wasn't supposed to be taken seriously there because that was total shlock he was selling while attempting to justify callous mass murder.If there's one thing Fate is all about, it's schlock philosophy and characters hanging around on the border of insanity with that schlock to justify their position. The Emiya father and son show that well enough. If the protagonist were less broken than Shirou, it just wouldn't feel right. >I might need to take a break from all of this, it's just depressing me.Seems like I can hardly write an update without someone deciding they need a break or quitting. Oh well. Drop if the quest if you want to, I'll be here writing it for the foreseeable future.
>>4340144>it's schlock philosophy and characters hanging around on the border of insanity with that schlock to justify their positionActually it's all about those characters being forced to realize that their outlook on life is completely incorrect. >Drop if the quest if you want toNo no, I'll try to hold on to see where this trainwreck goes from here.The fact that the vote to kill Sakura is winning is concerning though.What's the logic there, outside of metaknowledge that she can harm Alberich?Why not kill Tohsaka as well as Sakura, as a magician's apprentice, she ought to represent a far greater threat to Alberich than Emiya's wife.Last time I checked, metaknowledge wasn't one of his abilities.I kind of want Alberich to start to slaughter all of his allies at the slightest failure now. Starting with Circe and moving swiftly on to his two useless siblings.He's absolutely morally irredeemable and you may as well revel in that instead of keeping around a harem of useless allies.The cat ought to go too.Why did Sakura just stand there doing nothing anyway?
>>4340155Actually the more I think about it, the more I realise that this scene makes absolutely no sense. Rin and Sakura should've instantly made their move the moment that Alberich attacked Shirou. Instead they decided to just watch for some reason.This scene makes literally no sense because of Alberich's monologuing.But no, instead the two of them stand about to die doing absolutely nothing like Berserker's Master did when Odin showed up.I'm just going to imagine that these characters aren't Rin or Sakura at all, and are just people passing by who have a strong resemblance to the two of them.
>>4339750Meh, yesterday can refer to an unspecified amount of time in the past too. >>4340160Rin and Sakura were paralyzed by Rider. For a writer you have surprisingly low reading comprehension.
>>4340166Rin I can understand being paralyzed unless she somehow brought the Jewel Sword with her, but Sakura I don't buy at all.She's been explicitly mentioned to have a huge quantity of magical energy and we know that Cybele doesn't function at all on people with that amount of energy now.So the scene still makes absolutely no sense outside of fellating Alberich.I must have glossed over that line because it made no sense.
>>4340155>Actually it's all about those characters being forced to realize that their outlook on life is completely incorrect.Have you ever read Barry Lyndon? For a character like this, the fall and confrontation with the hollowness of his own feelings has to come after the rise is over. Not everyone gets confronted with the impossibility of their ideals while they're trying to put them into practice, like Kiritsugu.
>>4340168>Sakura I don't buy at all.I can, even if Cybele had no effect it doesn't change that this is still Sakura were talking about here, one with 15 years of placing way too much faith in Shirou after he managed to pull off saving her without killing her after all she did revert to calling Shirou senpai. I fully believe the real boss fight is about to begin though when she goes dark Sakura over this and fact that she can move, her first attack will bypass the armor and what Alberich heard about from their own description of what happened in Fuyuki should be more than enough motivation to send her to join her husband.
>>4339299Acceptance>>4339820Depression>>4340155Anger>>4340168DenialAnon, are you going through the stages of grief over this scene? In reverse, at that? I think you skipped over bargaining, if that's the case.
I'd still like to see you put on your name and trip so I can have a look at that evil protagonist quest of yours, by the way. It's only fair, with you calling my writing a trainwreck and accusing me of fellating my protagonist, that I have the chance to form my opinion of your writing.
>>4340342>>4340344Fuck yeah Sweets out here bringing the heat
>>4340358>>4340384Going to vote, you two? Or are you satisfied with the present almost-unanimity?Moving away from the topic of argument with my critics, I'd still like to hear any more detailed plans you folks can put together for your future movements. Finding Liliesviel and Ayaka are great goals, but if you don't think the online Kōrakuhime is the real thing that still leaves you with no leads. How should you go about finding your scattered allies? Any ideas?
>>4340423The count on that last vote really kicked you out of the funk you were in didn't it? Good to see.To try and elaborate on my thoughts here >>4339368 with no leads I figure the only way to find Korakuhime would be to have her come to us while sending a signal that we're back in the game to any of our other allies who are still loyal.If nothing else eliminating the superpriest and his 'anti-pagan weapon' while knocking the church out of the picture for a few days should allow them to operate more openly without the manhunt getting in the way, and since most of them either have some form of scrying or should be with someone who does I figure if they don't show they're either dead, captured (unlikely since the only ones with any interest in taking any of them alive would've been the Emiyas, maybe Circe) or traitors.
>>4340423I've already voted from a different IP, I'm at work now. I think now that we're healed we need to locate Korakuhime to locate anyone else. The lead that we found online is as good as any and it's a least a place to start.
>>4340423question: can we Bloodfort Sakura for more upgrades?Well, regardless, look for Lily, Ayaka and Korakuhime, proceed to scry for Circe once more, beat her, once more, deal with her by either lolimancing her or killing her ego, deal with Assassin, Harris, the Church and Odin all in time for Titania's Christmas Special
>>4340518>can we Bloodfort Sakura for more upgrades?If you're asking if we can use it again probably not, according to the wiki Bloodfort can only be used once per region because it damages the leylines when used, although going by the last couple updates it does sound like the Bloodfort is still up so if we kill or incapacitate her we might, otherwise we could try to take her alive and eat her.
>>4340501>The count on that last vote really kicked you out of the funk you were in didn't it?Yes and no. I'm just trying to be positive right now and hope that if I push forward and write as much as I can things will improve. It's still depressing to get into arguments with readers, since my reason for putting so much time into this is to try to make something people can enjoy and share a fun experience with all you folks, but what can you do? It seems like I'm going to gather insults and complaints no matter what I write, so as long as folks are voting and some people are happy I'll go forward with that.>>4340518Sakura has too much magical energy to be dissolved by Bloodfort Andromeda, but that's not to say you can't get magical energy from her.>>4340559Bloodfort Andromeda is still active, you're all still inside the crimson barrier.
>>4340568You'll always get some people who're going to criticize every time things doesn't go their way, esp when they're passionate about what they feel they're missing out on. All I can say is hang in there, I can't speak for anyone else but I enjoy your work and have faith that you'll try to make this the best story you can, so long as you keep it up I won't be going anywhere.
>>4340568This has really felt like a step in the right direction to me, you instilled some confidence in Alberich's abilities and you're not taking shit from the whiner. Bravo.
I've finally resolved an issue of continuity that's been nagging at me. The sun deity is not in fact Tamamo's Amaterasu form; according to a quote from Fate/EXTRA Material in TMDict that form is merely a pseudo-god, and not the authentic Amaterasu.For those of you who might have felt dubiously about how Helios might be related to Tamamo, you can rest easier; they are properly separate beings.Anyway, the update should be finished in the next few hours.
You need only look at the two women for a short time before making your decision. Tohsaka may be apprentice to the sorcerer of the Clock Tower, but all the same she's only a human magus. You sense no power greater than Truvietianne's from her. Whatever her level of skill, Medusa should be enough to restrain her without difficulty. Emiya Sakura, though... she can best be described as an unknown quantity. Human to all outward appearance, but the shudder of intimidation that ran through you when you first sensed her energy is still clear in your mind. It's no less unnerving now, when she stands there across the yard, her face contorted with shock and grief for her husband. Only a pretty woman in a cream cashmere sweater and long skirt a few shades darker than her violet hair, grieving for the man she believed would protect her. Only that, yet with all the heaped up mystic energy of a Holy Grail War bound within her. Energy far greater than that gathered together for you by Bloodfort Andromeda; greater, perhaps, even than the overwhelming tempest of energy thrown off at the revelation of Odin's true power. This strange being, dubbed a forgery of the Holy Grail by Liliesviel, is surely no less dangerous an entity than her impossibly Servant-like husband. You must deal with her yourself.No sooner have you so concluded, however, than something in her face stays your hand. Sakura makes no move to react to your actions since killing Emiya, or even to acknowledge your presence. She stands there, head lolling and limbs limp, like a marionette with its strings cut, tears streaming down her cheeks as she murmurs "Senpai," once more, as if in disbelief. Then she changes her theme, apologizing to the dead man. "I'm sorry," she breathes. "I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry," over and over, never changing in her tone, but chanting the words in soft intonation like a repeated prayer or incantation. "Medusa, restrain Tohsaka," you say, shifting your attention to your Servant to distract yourself from the grief-driven madness of Emiya's wife. Even you aren't without feeling, after all, though you don't intend to allow compassion to alter your policy. "We can find a use for her later. I'll deal with Emiya's widow."
"Understood." With that toneless, disciplined confirmation or your order, Medusa steps forward to menace the sorcerer's apprentice more directly. "I would prefer not to kill you," she informs Tohsaka in a regretful tone, "but you must know that I am capable of petrifying you the moment I choose. Do not resist, Rin." Tohsaka remains still, like a rodent pinned by the gaze of a viper. Perhaps, you think, Medusa is capable of using a lesser form of her mystic eyes' power when she chooses; a form which merely applies to ordinary mortals the paralytic pressure normally felt by those too powerful to be petrified. Then again, perhaps the canny Clock Tower magus is simply making no move that might worsen her situation while she weighs up her chances. What passes between them further, though, you turn away from to focus again on Sakura. She's changed the words of her apology to her dead husband once again, you see."This is all my fault," she whispers to the dead man, utter grief in every syllable. "You saved me, Senpai, but I couldn't change. I was still a coward, still relied on you for everything. I wanted to let you go on saving me forever, couldn't face using the power that reminded me of Avenger. Now..." Her breath catches in her throat. You tighten your grip on your blade. This has waited long enough; there's no need to let Sakura finish her speech. She can tell it all to Emiya directly, after all, for they'll be together soon enough. You spring forward with energy to propel you faster than any human can react to, to strike the head from her shoulders before Sakura can feel any pain.Or, you should have. Your feet don't move. They're trapped, in fact. A sudden chill running down your spine at this loss of your formerly absolute control of the situation, you look down to see that the ordinary gloom of the night has been supplanted on the ground by a far deeper shadow; one with substance, and which clings to your boots up to the ankles. In the crimson-stained night of Bloodfort Andromeda you never noticed as Sakura's shadow pooled and spread over the garden while she spoke to her dead husband. In the atmosphere of the world within the barrier, saturated with energy prepared for intake by your Imaginary Element-attuned circuits, you could not have noticed the shift as another field of such mystic energy spread from the seemingly broken woman. Now you find yourself sunk ankle-deep in a bog of Imaginary substance unnervingly similar to your own tendrils of Nothingness, and the truth of the conclusion you formerly made, but did not act sufficiently quickly on, is driven painfully into your mind. Sakura is more dangerous than her husband.
Suddenly, as if all at once the energy of life has flowed back into her, Sakura straightens up and fixes her eyes on you. "As long as I had Senpai to believe in," she says in that same quiet, almost sing-song voice of deranged grief with which she addressed the dead Emiya, "I would never use this power. I could leave everything to him, and never think unkindly about anyone, because Senpai would always be there to save me from any conflict. Even if he needed help, there was Rider. Now you've taken them both from me. I don't have anyone anymore. I guess now I have to use the power that Grandfather gave me again, don't I?" Suddenly she breaks off again, and looking at the tear-strewn face you think she'll sob. Instead, a deranged laugh falls incongruously from her lips before she continues, "I don't have Avenger anymore, but I can probably still make you suffer enough to pay for Senpai. What do you think?" With this last rhetorical question, the mystic energy you can feel from Sakura seems to redouble, and formless black energy begins to emanate from her right hand, rippling and swirling like an impossible cross between fluid and smoke as it waits for her to shape it to her will. You know instantly that she's about to launch her first true attack; what it will be, you'd just as soon not find out.>[ ] Attempt to talk the woman out of attacking you. (What would you like to say?)>[ ] Wait for her to strike and defend yourself with your cloak.>[ ] Attempt to cut yourself free of the stuff binding your feet and protect Medusa. She must be trapped in this same shadow.>[ ] Do something else. (Write in)
>>4341734>[X] Wait for her to strike and defend yourself with your cloak.I definitely think a write-in would be more suitable though.
>>4341734>>[X] Wait for her to strike and defend yourself with your cloak.
>>4339824I was somewhat distracted from this by other posts at the time, but I want to mention that I found this post touching.
>>4341734Use the all the excess energy surrounding us for a massive rift slash to destroy her. We can't win in a real magic battle because she's an unlimited battery. But our portals are the one thing we can use to beat her, and the excess energy is our best shot to make it strong enough to overwhelm her.
>>4341734>>4341775For now ill support this although I do have some issues to with,I do feel we do need to go on the offensive and eliminate quickly before she can do serious damage, although from what I recall from the Achilles fight it still took time to make a charged attack with HFS, we could probably block the first with our cloak but who knows how large the attack might be/if its a splash damage type attack behind us. Also i'm not fully sold on dumping all our energy into the attack as she doesn't seem to be doing anything to protect herself aside from the 'mud field', the fight should be over so long as it connects.
>>4341835Sakura can regenerate herself easily.If we want to kill her it has to be something that destroys her entire body.
>>4341734>Now you've taken them both from me. I don't have anyone anymore.Wow, cold. Apparently the kids don't count for anything here.
Cringe and edgepilled.This really is the quest for people who loved Zero and Kiritsugu, isn't it?Nice handling of Sakura, hack.
>>4341734>[ ] Wait for her to strike and defend yourself with your cloak.I have a feeling as if any option might lead to a dead end
>>4341734>[ ] Attempt to talk the woman out of attacking you. (What would you like to say?)If you attack me now, I will attempt to kill you. You don't have anyone anymore? Your children may lose both of their parents in one night. Leave and take them away from here.
>>4341734>[ ] Wait for her to strike and defend yourself with your cloak.
>>4342039I denated for some time whether to write "I don't have anyone to rely on anymore" or whether you would just understand that meaning naturally from context and I could use the phrasing more appropriate for her mental state. Apparently I made the wrong choice.>>4342044>1 post by this IDSo you come here for the sole purpose of insulting me? Go watch Carnival Phantasm if you want to forget Heaven's Feel happened, anon, I'm not interested in sugarcoating Fate.
>>4341837Aware of it but one of those things I like to learn in character before factoring into decisions, regardless i'm still in favor of blocking or dodging the first attack i'm just looking to come up with a plan for the counterattack, managed to come up with a few but mostly just me spit-balling ideas, for now what we do know in character she isn't a fighter so she should be much less effective when we close the distanceA) attempt to restrain with ribbons, maybe attempt to add drain to themB) factoring in regeneration we could take a page out of Heracles book and try to create something like fire or acidC)if her regeneration is like ours destroying the head should still be a killD) all else fails; toss her in the cape though we'll probably lose a chance at an upgradeDoes make me wonder if we do end up cape-ing her and we try summoning again would we need to roll really high or really low to get spooked by Sakura?Otherwise if don't think we can handle her could go with this >>4342089 had idea to bluff with the original post Achilles plan in mind "You know i'm wondering; if you're here whose watching your kids? After your late husband visited earlier I sent one of my servants after him, since you all came then that means they're likely on 'babysitting duty', since they depend on me for energy what do you suppose will happen to them if you manage to kill me?"
>>4342207Whatever you edgy crybaby.You have a fetish for suffering and I hope you get what you desire so.
>>4342207>I denated for some time whether to write "I don't have anyone to rely on anymore" or whether you would just understand that meaning naturally from context and I could use the phrasing more appropriate for her mental state. Apparently I made the wrong choice.I understand she is shaken. But just from what she said it keeps being a sentence implying she has nothing to lose anymore.That does not exactly express a lot of care for the children.
>>4342230Coming from a guy who's throwing a tantrum that's rich.
>>4342265Of course Sakura does care about her children, but you know, she didn't exactly have the kind of childhood that fosters a feeling of family bonds being greater than anything else in a person. For Sakura, Shirou was her whole world. Perhaps even moreso after fifteen years of marriage than at the end of Heaven's Feel. When he's taken away, the mental impact is extremely heavy.
Sweets, you really should stop responding to people that are salty about literally anything happening in the quest. It's kind of a beta move.>We are winning too much, waah, this quest is turning into harem wish fufillment>*island arc happens*>Waah, why is it so hard, I just wanna win! >Sweets, you never let us straight up win, waaah, I just wanna wank at how cool an stron we are, let us btfo an oponents>*Emiya gets rekt*>Waaah, I wanted an epic fight, why did we just kill him like that? WaaahYou just can't win with these people, you know?
>>4342751Alpha, beta, whatever. I get angry when I see stuff like this 1-post guy, and I can enjoy discussing motivations with the more reasonable folks. It's some conversation at least. Maybe I have too short a temper, I don't know. Thing is, I've put a lot of time into this quest over the last year, invested a lot of emotion into it, and all just with the desire to write something that folks who enjoyed the same visual novel I enjoyed could have fun with.So I write all this, I put all this time into it, and every time I finish an update I get complaints from a long-term reader, or hate from somebody who just walked in here from the QTG, or both, and I wonder why. I don't see this kind of QM hate going on in Sworn to Valour, or Strikers, or Saiyan Conqueror, or any of the other long-running quests that predate mine. At least those that I've looked in on. These quests have their fanbases, and the people who don't like them steer clear. So I'm mystified as to how I ended up in this situation of being hated. It's not like I set out to write some ridiculous power fantasy, or a total misery simulator about a powerless protagonist, or a fetish-fueled piece of smut, though people have acted like I'm writing all of those at one time or another. I haven't gone out of my way to antagonize folks or make enemies. I try to be civil as much as I can. I haven't railroaded the quest according to my interests, I've always developed on the choices you folks have made.Now maybe you'll call me oversensitive for all this, and picture me getting all emotional about it, but that's not really it. What I'm trying to say is that I really just want answers. I want to know how I ended up here, and if possible how to get back the energy and good feelings my quest had in the first threads of Awakening Mirror, when it did feel a lot more like those other long-running quests I mentioned, at least to me. I don't know that anyone can give me those answers, but I try to engage the people who complain about my writing in the hope of finding out.
>>4342804The reason your quest is so loathed compared to those other well liked quests is that 1. You've got a massive ego for a shit fanfiction writer. 2. You obviously samefag your own quest. 3. You don't railroad yet things always seem to turn out in a way you but not the players want. 4. Your quest is a delicate latticework of disappointment woven into a blanket of failure.
>>4342804I haven't read Sworn to Valour or Strikers too much but you can't really compare yourself to Saiyan Conqueror beyond being based on an anime series, in SC it's obvious fairly early into reading any given thread that it's just going for fun mish mash of different series in to see what comes out and someone can't really come in taking it way too seriously, whereas here it seems like you're trying to write something that would feel like proper continuation of the original story set to the rules established by the VN and canon characters.I suppose in a way that is the root of your problem, if you take two different fans you're going to hear two different stories of who they are and how they act beyond the superficial. If they think they can do a better job of it than you they're free to run their own instead of expecting you to bend over backwards to read their minds and make them happy, frankly I'm here to read what your writing not "theirs".
>>4342804Fatefags are aggressive autists, at least on /qst/. I appreciate the time you've put in Sweets. They're just mad that we're not besties with their favorite canon characters.this is why you should reuse only the settings of popular IPs and not canon characters
>>4342858The other points are a matter of opinion, but if you think things in the quest have turned out the way I wanted you're delusional, and as for samefagging I'll thank you to take your groundless insults, pack them in, and go elsewhere. I don't.
>>4342876 the true big brain move is to take inspiration from shit you like instead of doing straight fanfiction
>>4342878It's pretty funny, the only players you have left are retards, masochists and trolls.
>>4341734Would use of void magic counteract her nothingness at all?Also, all of these people getting mad about edgy and dark content in Fate media need their heads examined. Keep doing your thing Sweets.
>>4342964She doesn't make portals to the IN realm, her magecraft creates things made out of IN elements.Portals should work fine.
All the schizophrenic hate for this quest gives me the amusing image of Alberich going about his quest with a crowd of hecklers following him around.>fails to kill achilles>"Why are you so weak!">captures medusa>"Stop wasting time, just kill her!">kills shirou>"Why did you kill him! Why are you so overpowered! This is just edgy and masturbatory!
Sorry, folks, it looks like I can't write an update tonight. Working late again, but I'll try to get the update done earlier tomorrow. Thanks for chatting with me on my break earlier.>>4342876I appreciate the sentiment, anon. Thanks for the kind words.>>4342880That is the plan, once I've finished Alberich's story.>>4343126I chuckled at this, thanks.
>>4342964You can't clearly identify the element of her magic, which is why it's just referred to as some kind of Imaginary Element-aligned magic that seems similar to your nothingness. You don't know this, but Sakura's elemental affinity is rather muddled. Needless to say it's only thanks to her massive amount of mystic energy that she's able to manifest this stuff at all.Defend yourself with Kenótis and wait for an opportunity to take action.>>4341746>>4341750>>4342049>>4342127Condense the energy held by Bloodfort Andromeda into powering a single projected portal to wipe Sakura out completely.>>4341775>>4341835Try to talk Sakura down.>>4342089Looks like we have a clear majority. Anyone want to change their vote before I sit down to write, or are we settled?
>>4341734I'm supporting >>4341775I don't think trying to tank it will end well. Not because it won't work the first time, but because we have no guarantee of there ever being a better opportunity than now.
>>4344383I'll swap over to making the portal.She shouldn't know we can do it so it should take her completely by surprise, that we'd probably lose if we use Kenotis.
>>4342804I don't really participate in quests, but I have been following this one for a while. I think one of the reasons for the hate might have been the shift away from using dice. For example, if a choice is made and the dice rolled is low, players aim their frustation and anger at the poor role. Meanwhile, if they choose an action and the result is not to their liking because you decide that action is dumb or leads to a Dead End they direct that anger and frustration at you.Either way, I still quite like this quest and while I probably won't participate, I'll keep on reading.
It's enough for you to see the power Sakura has readied for an attack. You have no intention of going so far as to let her make it. As your mind races ahead of the conflict of strikes that will decide your fate in the next few seconds you become certain of two things. First, that if you take no action Sakura will kill you agonizingly; she has the means and the intent, that much is obvious. Second, that this will not come to pass. You have utter confidence in your own victory. What risk can there be, after all, with so much mystic energy around you that you could be healed, empowered, and still fil a glass simply by holding it out; so much that all restrictions on your power are removed? It isn't enough energy to overpower your foe in a clash of pure quantity, that's true enough, but what need is there for that when you have the miracles of Heiligöffnungschwert? All you need to do is give shape to a gateway, and all Sakura's power will pour uselessly into it before she herself is consumed.You raise the black sword above your head, the rubies of its hilt and pommel gleaming above you like stars in the crimson firmament, and through every pore you drink in all the power that is left around you. You pour it all into the blade, readying it to empower this single perfect strike while across the garden from you Sakura's power shapes itself into the weapon that gives form to her rage. Wrapped around her forearm and extending past it, poised to strike at you, is something like a great thorny vine, and then again something like a twisted black flame; a thing made up of countless shadows shaped in imitation of Emiya's black blade and strung together into a weapon as vicious and flexible as the tail of a scorpion. It will all be settled in an instant."Heiligöffnungschwert!"With that cry you bring your arm down as Sakura extends her hand in elegant silence. The twisted viper of Imaginary Numbers springs out, streaming toward you as your blade grows and surges outward until it is not recognizable as a blade at all, but a great shadow like a curtain, a hole cut out of the world that hides all before it from your vision. There's a tremendous grinding, squealing sound replicable by no truthful material as the two impossible masses meet, and for a moment all seems still within that tempest of horrid noise. For a moment you wonder if Sakura has created a curse of Absorption out of Void; if she somehow foresaw all you'd do and planned to turn your own weapon against you. Then the conflict ends, in truth a pause of no more than the merest fraction of a second, and it's your gate that continues, Sakura's striking creation plunging through it into the world of its own elements. Another moment and without further sight or sound of conflict, without a scream or drop of spilled blood, Sakura has vanished along with the portal you forced over her; put through your inner door made material.
With Sakura gone, the shadow that spread over the garden and bound you in place has faded too, and the freedom to move your feet again lends a certain visceral sense of victory even to a battle won without laying a hand on your enemy. Intersperced with that sense of triumph, however, there is a voice of concern at the back of your mind. There's no sign of injury to your enemy; no fragment of her body remaining to testify to its having been severed. Even a thin layer the ground beneath her feet was scooped up along with her, leaving a shallow trench before you where bare earth can be seen. It comes to you suddenly that you aren't certain of just how the transportation of your blade functions. When something is put through a portal whole, as Sakura just was, is it separated piece-by-piece when the portal passes over it? Transported in fantastically thin slices, to collapse on the other side in an unrecognizable mass? Or is it transported as one solid object? Have you, you wonder, just transported one of your most dangerous enemies unharmed to a world which, to all appearances, suits her elemental alignment far better than the one you now inhabit?"Sakura!" Before you can consider longer on the possible implications of the victory you've just won, your attention is torn away by a horrified scream that emanates simultaneously from two throats. Medusa and Tohsaka, when you turn to look, are staring at you with equal horror in their expressions. In fact, despite all her previous signs of loyalty, Medusa has her weapons once more in her hands and faces you with the expression of one about to strike. Tohsaka actually appears less distraught then the Servant, if only marginally. Though her hands are bound with a chain, she seems to have succeeded in getting a small gemstone between two fingers and begun mouthing an incantation the moment she stopped screaming. Of all the new obstacles to have forced on one, you think with irritation, this may be the most pointlessly frustrating. Killing a woman who was trying to kill you has evidently made an enemy of Medusa again, and at the same time the sorcerer's apprentice is preparing her magic. Some people just get too attached.You and Medusa spring forward at the same moment; you toward Tohsaka and Medusa toward you. Unfortunately, Medusa is by far the faster of the pair and slams into you, wrapping her chain around your neck as if to throttle you with one hand and futilely trying to jab a nail through a chink in your armor with the other, long before you can get to Tohsaka. What the tiny girl has in speed, though, she lacks in strength and it's the work of a moment to grab the back of her head with your free hand and slam her into your knee, knocking her out killing her. You'd like to deal with this situation without losing a valuable subordinate, after all.
As Medusa drops to the ground and you make a second dash toward Tohsaka, she drops her stone to the ground. As it falls, it begins to shine with a brilliant white glare that seems to cast the whole neighborhood into sharp relief. Then the white splits into seven colors, nearly blinding you, and something even stranger happens to your vision. Superimposed on the shining light and the scene of Tohsaka standing in the garden, staring hate at you, is the phantom image of what looks like the interior of an empty warehouse, itself clearly in near-total darkness despite the scene of painful brilliance you can see seemingly behind it. All at once it fades, and Tohsaka with it. She, Sakura, and the scattered corpse of Emiya Shirou are all gone, leaving you alone with an unconscious Servant and her fast-disappearing Noble Phantasm. You didn't think ordinary magi could master spatial transportation; then again, this didn't look quite like that. Perhaps that strange layering of spaces was tied to the arts taught by the sorcerer.As the cracks of ordinary night sky work their way into the dome of crimson that is the now-expended and no-longer sustained by Medusa's will Bloodfort Andromeda, you look down at your Servant and wonder what her behavior will be like when she wakes. Is this to be another one like Arturia, superficially bound to you but working against you at every opportunity? Or was her last action no more than a momentary burst of emotion at the loss of her former human family, one that can be dealt with by a reasonable conversation? For that matter, it occurs to you to wonder just where Arturia is; shouldn't she have had her attention drawn by the battle? Where also can Adelheid be, whom you set to following Emiya? If your mind is determined to wonder where, you think, where are Liliesviel and her maids; Ayaka; Hecate; Circe; Kōrakuhime? With healing comes the satisfaction of acting on your own, but also the burden of resolving the great many things still to be resolved after the detonation of your home. Where to start?>[ ] Shake Medusa awake and talk to her about her behavior a moment ago. (What would you like to say to her?)>[ ] Find something with which to restrain Medusa and leave her with her sisters for supervision, then go looking for Arturia and Adelheid.>[ ] Go back inside and call Kikuko again. Perhaps there may be something in her online Kōrakuhime after all; if not, at least interviewing the original Ogawara may give you some clues as to how the authentic girl thinks. >[ ] Do something else. (Write in)
>>4344882Thanks for the input, anon, as well as the kind words. I do think you've got something there about dice acting as a buffer between the QM and resentment over consequences. I'm pretty reluctant to bring them back, though; I just hate the practice of randomizing things with a non-random outcome.>>4345257Alternating bold is not a good way to convey multiple voices speaking at once. Noted.
>>4345262>[X] Shake Medusa awake and talk to her about her behavior a moment ago.Talk to her about how she's doing, and that except for the children, the Emiya's are now gone.We can find out where Arturia is with our link, but I'm worried Adelheid got ganked by someone.We could use the internet to find out if she's broadcasting again, and then go interview Ogawara.
>>4345257>knocking her out killing herknocking her out without killing her?>>4345262We got hit by an amped-up Color-Spray to cover her escape? Interesting.>>4345262>[X] Shake Medusa awake and talk to her about her behavior a moment ago.What >>4345313 says is fineSince Sweets likes MGS references I was hoping we could do what Solidus did and adopt the Emiya's kids to later reveal "By the way I KILLED YOUR PARENTS" but Rin will probably spill the beans before we get the chance. Sad!
>>4345330>knocking her out without killing her?Yes. That without should definitely be there. It's really what you might call a key part of the sentence.
>>4345335Makes sense. Not surprising for a word to be dropped here or there when there's as much pressure for sustained writing output as there is.It's exciting though, only a matter of time before God-mode Sakura's revengeance.Oi >>4345313, would you mind adding to have Medusa hang out with her sisters for a while to help her come to terms with her grief after we talk to her? Then we can check on Alter with telepathy and try to find Adelheid.Unrelated but this captcha is convinced that a mailbox is a parking meter and gave me a new slide because I was "wrong", kek
>>4345262>>[ ] Shake Medusa awake and talk to her about her behavior a moment ago.I don't know about questions to ask but I suppose something worth addressing; since she has 15 years of experience dealing with those two, does she actually believe we could've said to convince either Shirou to back down after we killed hundreds/thousands, would Sakura have backed down after we killed Shirou, with her power could she even be taken alive?Acknowledge things had gotten out of hand, but at the very least tried to make it quick.Least that's my thoughts at the moment, though I'll admit they usually aren't my best at this hour.
>>4345262>Execute Medusa. Such treachery shall not be tolerated.
>>4345262Supporting this. No traitors.
>>4345262Help if I linked to what I was supporting. >>4345610
>>4345610Feel like this would be pretty out of character for Alberich, he spared Circe even after she refused his offer of reuniting, and started acting against him.Rider attacking him for defeating someone she cares about when she's very motivated towards protecting those she cares for should be much less of a mark against her to him.
>>4345666He spared Circe and look what happened? Another betrayal!Kill Medusa before that can happen again. IC Alberich shouldn't be so retarded to keep fucking traitors in his ranks.Time to prune a few branches.
>>4345670Almost his entire faction is formed by people who fought him at one point.In a way they're traitors to whatever purpose they originally had that put them at odds.If Alberich starts getting rid of people for the first thing they do that's not perfect then he'll end up alone really quickly.If Medusa dies here the sisters will have to die as well, and Sweets said the third chapter won't be wrote if Alberich ends up mind of steeling his way to the end of the war.
>>4345679What idiotic logic. This betrayal came after a complete oath of loyalty. Fuck Medusa, Fuck Circe, and FUCK GREEKS.>If Medusa dies here the sisters will have to die as wellWhat a shame.I'll really miss them.Really.
>pridefags already choosing to purge without Ayaka to take advantage of itsic semper tyrannis
>>4345687I don't think it's anymore idiotic than expecting Sakura to hold no place in Rider's heart.She didn't even disobey her orders, Tohsaka was restrained by her chain even while she was attacking us.
>>4345679>the third chapter won't be wrote if Alberich ends up mind of steeling his way to the end of the war.At this point it almost seems like that's what angryanon's going for, with our limbs back and armor upgrade if we're actually threatened by Medusa 'betraying us' that cant other to spend the effort to keep in line over killing off when we wont even get the benefit of a sacrifice then we have severe competency problems that goes beyond whats in character.
>>4345262>[ ] Shake Medusa awake and talk to her about her behavior a moment ago.I can't think of anything to add.
>>4345700That's what I figured, but I prefer arguing against the argument instead of the person since the argument is more immediately relevant to whatever the current topic is.
>>4345262>[ ] Find something with which to restrain Medusa and leave her with her sisters for supervision, then go looking for Arturia and Adelheid.>>4345610>he's still this butthurtthis is just sad anon. go outside
While I don't want it to happen, if killing Medusa ends up as the winning vote it will be somewhat entertaining to read Alberich killing all of his allies for anything they do wrong.At that point he'd probably start contemplating locking Lily up or putting her to sleep and hiding her so he wouldn't have any weaknesses.I think at that point even Odin would be somewhat disappointed with how he turned out.Missing the third arc of the quest would be a shame though.
>>4345610Support with extreme prejudice
>>4345787>it will be somewhat entertaining to read Alberich killing all of his alliesCalling it now:>Kill S/E for Medusa's actions,>Kill Futodoki for losing to the priest>Kill Korakuhime for not teleporting to us immediately,>Kill Hecate for not giving us affections,>Kill Saber for lack of initiative,>Kill Adelheid for not being here even if she found a lead,>Kill Ayaka for not giving us energy,>Kill Lily for not keeping Circe on a tighter leash,>Kill self
>>4345262>[X] Shake Medusa awake and talk to her about her behavior a moment ago>pic relatedGive her a reminder that we're keeping her sisters
>this blatant samefaggotryYou know how obvious you're being right?
Methinks there be trolls among us.
>ID changedAs if the well hasn't been poisoned enough.
>>4345910>>this blatant samefaggotrySomeone finally says it, I knew it was going to be a sign when my ID "2men"
Wow.What a fucking disaster of a quest this turned out to be.
I won't be calling the vote for 8 hours or so, but for now here's a tally.Ask about how Medusa is feeling and try to help her process the loss of the Emiya parents. Give her to her sisters, then go looking for Arturia and Adelheid.>>4345313>>4345330>>4345822>>4345858Ask if Medusa thinks you could have convinced Shirou or Sakura not to fight you.>>4345398Wake Medusa up, but I'm not sure which conversation topic to count this vote for.>>4345715Completely snap and kill Medusa>>4345610>>4345640>>4345649>>4345771>>4345821Wake Medusa up and threaten her with her sisters.>>4345845
>>4345974>>4345398Honestly, you can just lump mine in to the leading talk option with mine as an added suggestion, because frankly after the last few days i'm now hard opposition to this guy >>4345610
>>4345974Switch >>4345715 to the first one because I'll be damned if my vote got split off because of a technicality.
>>4345262I'm supporting >>4345313
>>4345313+1Crisis of Infinite Samefags.
>Execute Medusa. Such treachery shall not be tolerated.
>>4345974I did say I probably wouldn't participate but killing Medusa after everything is so dumb I feel like I have to vote for >>4345313
>>4344882This is me by the way, the ID changed
>butthurt shirou and sakurafags are now openly trying to sabotage the quest out of spiteToxic is kind of a buzzword but I can't really describe the players here in any other way. Sorry Sweets.
>>4345262>>4345313I'll back this I suppose.
>>4347963Thanks for the kind word, anon. However they might try, though, nobody is better at sabotaging this quest than my job.Joking, but seriously sorry about the long time between updates. I know it's rough right now.
>>4345974>>[ ] Shake Medusa awake and talk to her about her behavior a moment ago. Ravioli RavioliDo not murder the snake loli
Tired and momentarily overwhelmed, you let yourself sink down into the cool grass of the Koyama family's lawn to sit beside the unconscious form of Medusa and think it all over. Above you, the artificial crimson sky of Bloodfort Andromeda and the ordinary clouds of a winter night have both faded, and the stars are visible; or as visible as they ever are above a great city, at least. You lean back on your hands, staring up into the night sky, and find yourself envying them. What a thing it would be, you think, to be so perfectly remote; to be a grand, immutable torch ever-burning in that distant darkness, eternally untouched and uninvolved, existing on a scale of time so great that it's practically incomprehensible to a man for whom every day of a two-week existence has been beset with constant tribulation. To surround yourself with emptiness, save for a few entities which move only in perfectly predictable, routine courses seems at the moment like a perfect model of heaven.You are on Earth, though, and must attend to those earthly concerns from which a timeless being would be so wonderfully free. After spending you don't know how long staring up into the firmament, you turn your eyes down again to the ground, the grass, and your wayward subordinate. She, at least, seems to suffer from no difficulty in healing. The mark your armor left on the skin of her forehead is already gone, and at the moment she seems utterly at peace. You see only a refined, delicately formed little girl, strangely attired and sleeping in the garden with only the silken sheet of her own lavender hair for a pillow, but quite serene in her innocence and perfect confidence of her own safety. It would be a pleasant illusion to believe in, wouldn't it? With that sardonic thought you reach down and pull Medusa up into a sitting position, supporting her limp back with one hand as, with the other, you gently shake her shoulders until her eyes flutter open. "Medusa," you say softly once her eyes have come to focus on yours, "I hope it didn't hurt too much."For a few moments she doesn't reply, but only leans silently against your arm, letting you support her while she gazes past you at the now-empty garden. At length, she softly says, "They are all gone." It isn't a question. "I do not think it shall ever stop hurting, then. The lack of my sisters never did.""Yes, well," you find yourself at a loss for words for a moment, uncertain of how to react to this peaceful frankness. Hoping to reassure her you say, "They aren't all gone. I did have to kill Emiya and his wife, yes, but Tohsaka got away, and of course I haven't laid a hand on the children." Seeing that her expression doesn't change, you shift your tactics. "I am sorry, Medusa," you say. "I know how much you cared about your adoptive family, but-"
"No," she looks you in the eye at this and cuts you off in that same quiet, sad tone before you can go on to say that these things are inevitable in an armed conflict, and you had no way of reasonably finding common ground with Emiya, "I do not think you know very much about caring for others, Alberich. You have attempted to be kind to my sisters and I, and I am grateful for that, but I believe that of the three forms in which I lived you are the closest in nature to the Gorgon Perseus slew. You are my Master now, and I shall go on serving you, but please do not put up a pretense of sympathy to me after acting on your desires.""Acting on my desires?" you echo, an indignant tone rising in your voice. "That's a fine thing to say, isn't it? Maybe I did feel some justified resentment toward Emiya after what he did to me the last time we fought, but why should I want to kill his wife, hmm? I bore the woman no grudge. She tried to kill me after the way I had to deal with her husband; and even that wasn't precisely by choice, I'll remind you. What did you expect? That I'd find some way to make peace with the people who want nothing more than to destroy the one thing I absolutely must have if I'm to survive? For that matter, do you think there's some way that I could have made peace with them after making use of Bloodfort Andromeda, which you had no reservations about though your friend Emiya found it so reprehensible?"Medusa breathes a tiny sigh and gazes levelly at you for a few moments before replying, "Do not misunderstand me. Although I have this form now I was the Gorgon as well. I remember what it was to become a far more beastly monster than you might, and to regret only a few moments of a life soaked in blood. I shall not condemn you on moral grounds. I only want you to be honest with me, Alberich. If you must know, I hoped that your desire for new pawns would convince you to capture Sakura and Shirou without hurting them, and that eventually we might convince them to make their peace with us." Suddenly she gets to her feet, standing up and stepping out of your grasp. "Now if you will excuse me I would like to be alone with my sisters, to grieve for Sakura." With a final hint of an enigmatic smile she adds, "Since Rin escaped, no-one must grieve for Shirou." Then she turns and walks back into the house, leaving you alone out in the garden.
You briefly consider following Medusa and demanding what she means about Emiya, but decide to leave it be. After the singularly unusual conversation you've just had with her, you're in no real hurry to prod the Servant into further conversation when she hasn't yet had her chance to let her emotions out in private. You're tempted also to sit for a while in contemplation of the strange accusation she leveled against you, that you feel nothing for other people and only act out of desire; but that too you put from your mind. You can ponder on your own personality another time, you think, when there aren't so many problems to deal with; when you can give your full attention to such things. No, now you must begin to put your house in order. The place to start is obvious.'Arturia,' you call, stretching your will out to command a report from your most resentful Servant, 'where are you?''Returning to the house,' comes the taciturn woman's reply. 'By your order to protect it I turned away an intruder and pursued them for some time.''An intruder?' This is a surprise, though it's certainly an adequate reason for Arturia's absence during your conflict with Emiya. Still, you wonder how another of your enemies could have found you so quickly. It couldn't have been Harris, for he's shown an ability to sneak by Arturia already, but it seems improbable that the Church might have made their attack so soon. Futodoki seemed quite confident he'd thrown them off. Could Circe have completely turned against you after all, to the point of making a frontal assault on the home in which you're staying? 'Now who could that have been?' you ask, curiosity intensified by the fact that you welcome any distraction from your troubles with Medusa and the Emiya family at the moment.There's no reply from Arturia. Your question is met with a resounding silence, in fact. Feeling exasperation steal over you, you reiterate, 'Tell me who the enemy was who you chased away from the house, Arturia,' rephrasing your question as a command to give the woman no chance of keeping up her silence.'...Your Berserker,' Arturia finally answers, although the words seem to be dragged out of her quite slowly, over great reluctance. 'I felt that the best way of protecting the house in accordance to your order was to keep anyone possibly dangerous from entering. Since she had followed your enemy for some time and possibly been to his home she was potentially dangerous, and may have become an enemy.'
A long sigh escapes your lips. Leaning forward, you allow your forehead to sink slowly into the supporting palm of your right hand. What have you done to be surrounded by such people? Is it fate? Simple bad luck? Some sort of twisted karma for the misfortunes you've visited on others? The malevolent whim of a mischievous God, perhaps? You can't even be angry with Arturia anymore, after how useless your rage has been with her. It's what she's looking to provoke, after all. You almost want to laugh. In the end you neither yell nor laugh, though. You only ask, 'Do you still know where Adelheid is?''To a certain degree,' Arturia answers with characteristic unhelpfulness.>[ ] Tell Arturia to bring Adelheid back with her. While they're on their way, call Kikuko again about looking into her internet Kōrakuhime.>[ ] Ask where she is and go to fetch Adelheid yourself while Arturia just returns to the house.>[ ] Tell Arturia to find Adelheid, report their location, and wait. You don't want either of them out of your sight, the way Arturia interprets any kind of order for independent action.>[ ] Say and do something else. (Write in)For any of these, feel free to write in any specific wording of your order to Arturia.
>>4349155Couldn't we change Arturia into an actually loyal servant? We had the option before and chose not to. Now's the time to be pragmatic about her instead of allowing constant insubordination.
>>4349155>[X] Ask where she is and go to fetch Adelheid yourself while Arturia just returns to the house.>>4349162I suggested such when we were picking whether to have Arturia or Adelheid protect us, but some people don't think she can actually be compelled by our curse, for whatever reason.
Yknow, ignoring her prior history with loose orders I could almost get her reasoning: we sent one of our least restricted servants alone to watch a house full of mages without servants for an extended period of time, I suppose that's just what happens when none of our servants trust each other.>>4349205>I suggested such when we were picking whether to have Arturia or Adelheid protect usI must've somehow missed it else I would've supported.
>>4349302The reasoning she uses has to make a certain amount of reasonable sense, elsewise she wouldn't be able to exploit it.What I'm more interested in is why Medusa didn't talk about the Emiya family of her own accord and expected him to risk adding more dangerous elements to his group in its current state.She knows our Caster has abandoned us, so she should've realized Alberich wasn't in the mood to casually capture and contain anyone, much less very dangerous enemies directly opposed to his current major goal.Curious about why she believes Alberich doesn't know anything about how to care about people either.Also wondering why he himself is actually considering pondering it, he's shown genuine concern and care for people before.
>>4349330I won't spoil Medusa's inner thoughts, you'll have to bring the subject back into conversation if you want more on that.As for Alberich taking her seriously, he has the memories of a teenager and an actual life experience of less than a month. He may be proud as Lucifer, but in a way he's still very impressionable. How does he know that the emotions he feels are "genuine," after all, or that they're the same as those felt by humans? How can he be certain they aren't just the product of his desires? This is someone who's always been aware of his own keen abnormality, after all.
>>4349330If I had to make my guesses she is a bit on the submissive side once we're acknowledged as master, we probably could've gotten it out of her if asked if it were to be a possibility, she was probably had wishful thinking we'd do something like speedblitz Sakura before we aggroed her and choose to use as a battery/hostage with our defenses back up or bluff them with Adelheid. Its been a while since read her recruitment chapter but wasn't she unconscious for most of the binding? If so doubt she'd know just how situational it is with how much we need a controlled environment, and as for why she thinks Alberich doesn't care about anyone else, her time with us since she stopped being our enemy has mostly just been us stuck in the chair using others at our convenience to get ourselves out of it asap.At least that's just my stab at it, for now may as well go with this;>>4349155>[ ] Ask where she is and go to fetch Adelheid yourself while Arturia just returns to the house
>>4349155>[ ] Tell Arturia to bring Adelheid back with her. While they're on their way, call Kikuko again about looking into her internet Kōrakuhime.>>4349162Do this if possible though.>>4349713I've always just seen Alberich as someone who will do anything to continue existing in a world that won't allow him to exist. His existence isn't the second shot at life that other heroic spirits have, it's his only life. He doesn't want to live as a dependent parasite leeching off of someone else's energy, he wants to truly have his own life. He's done some truly heinous things and I wouldn't personally agree with that but it's interesting to try to understand his perspective that is very unlike either humans or heroic spirits.
>>4349758That definitely is a pretty essential part of his character, and one I try to show where appropriate, like how overjoyed he was at standing on his own feet again during the rooftop scene. In terms of selfish desires, the desire to live is pretty much #1.
>>4349729Forgot to say, I figure its better to go ourselves because knowing our current luck, she probably drove off with force and sending after would make Adelheid think she's being pursued. (inb4 'return to the house' sends her back to the crater where Ayaka's house used to be)
Not so many folks voting on this one, huh? I should let you know that I have time to write tonight, so I plan to call it and start in 3-4 hours.
>>4349155>[ ] Ask where she is and go to fetch Adelheid yourself while Arturia just returns to the house.No way Adelheid will come with Bitch.
>>4349155>[ ] Ask where she is and go to fetch Adelheid yourself while Arturia just returns to the house.The instant we get Ayaka back Alter's going into the blender
Do you guys think we should let Alberich decide what the exact wording of his order should be?Because I'm thinking Arturia may decide Medusa is a threat because we just killed 2 people she loved and could be having rebellious thoughts.
>>4350610I'm more partial to 'rewarding' the former king with a slave crown, but if you guys are done with her and want her gone I wouldn't shed any tears over it.>>4350661All I can come up with is an exasperated "Just go back to the house and, unless its to defend against the church, assassin, or Harris and his new lancer servant, or anyone else who tries to launch a direct attack, don't do anything until I get back."
>>4350706What about something like this:"Henceforth do not act in any way you believe would displease me in any manner."It would be good if we could make her a total prisoner in her own body for at least the remaining duration of the war.
>>4350769Sounds fine to me, my gut will say a bit on the vague side but trying to fix that would just result in me writing one of those 2k+ pg political bills.I'm still a bit curious to see what would happen should we try to pit her against Harris in the future, before we completely stamp out her free will, but there's much more important outcomes to focus on creating than that one.
>>4350793I thought it was good because it uses her knowledge and intention to aggravate us against herself.If you want to make a contract for her to follow though that could work too.>>4350769>>4349205So I'll add that to my vote then it seems.
>>4350811>If you want to make a contract for her to follow though that could work tooI'll pass on that and back yours, most i'd suggest adding would be my prior post as the immediate order. Anything else would just be me looking for every possible way she could potentially defy us, and frankly trying to do so for anything other than short term orders or major loopholes will just be more headaches than it's worth. Very least if Circe did go traitor and we end up killing her we could probably take tool creation to produce slave crowns (provided we don't end up taking her NP wand to turn everyone into lolis of course).
>Shirou probably getting revived by Rin>Sakura isn't even dead, just in the Imaginary RealmI feel like the angry kids just aren't actually reading the updates
>>4350913>Jan-Mar: "What is this pokemon? Why are we trying to recruit everyone we meet? We have too many people we need to start thinning the cast.>Apr-Jun: Why are we so weak, why cant you just let us kill them when we're massively stronger than them? Why did you scatter the party? Players need to stop wasting time on fluff and start dealing with our enemies, I don't care about the rest of this stuff just skip to us using BFA already and let us kill anyone who tries to stop us from getting out of this chair.>Jul: NOOOO Why did you kill him instead of talking to him? How could he just die so easily? Why didn't we get a chance to confirm if we actually wanted to use BFA???They really don't, even if he is actually dead i'm already betting on the likelihood he and Sakura will reappear in part 3 after we manage to rip open a permanent portal and we get ourselves counter guardian'd.
The guy who composed all the music in the Clint Eastwood movies died a few days ago.
'Where is she then?' you ask shortly, freely giving expression to your irritation. 'Answer truthfully, Arturia. I'll go and meet Adelheid myself. You will simply return to the house to protect Medusa and her sisters, understand?''I understand. Travel,' there's a brief pause as she takes a moment to recall the distance, 'twenty-six blocks west from where you are currently staying, and you will see a shuttered convenience store. When I last saw her she was taking refuge within.' After another pause, she adds, 'Have you recovered enough to move easily, then?''Yes,' you answer. 'I'm surprised at you, Arturia; being concerned for my wellbeing isn't something I'd expect from you.''I would be concerned with anything that affected my situation so thoroughly,' she coldly replies, not giving your joke an inch of leeway. 'Do you have any other orders?''As a matter of fact, I do,' you inform her, a sudden feeling of mirth filling you at the idea you've just had. All this time you've been infuriated by the way Arturia has constantly misinterpreted your orders, but the solution to that problem is really staring you right in the face. In fact, it's so simple that you almost hesitate to make use of it; it feels a bit like giving up and cheating your way around a problem you can't solve, and that stings your pride. Still, needs must when the devil drives, and you certainly need a Servant who might actually be a consistent help. So thinking, you continue, 'Henceforth, do not act in any way you believe would displease me in any manner. That is the order that should govern all of your actions from this point onward. I've had quite enough of this insolence and deliberate sabotage from you, Arturia. I'm at the end of my patience.'For a few moments, there's no reply. You fancy you can hear a gasp of shock, but since there's no vocal component to mental communication, things like that wouldn't be perceived; it's only the reaction you imagine from her. The real testament to her emotional state at the news is this temporary inability to formulate a coherent reply. 'Arturia?' You try jogging her out of her stupor by repeating her name. 'Do you understand me? If you drag out this conversation too long Adelheid might travel some distance from where you saw her last, and then I would be quite displeased.'
'Yes,' she finally answers, 'master. I will... do my best to serve according to your desires in all things.' The words come into your mind with great reluctance, as if they're only being dragged out of her after a great struggle. The magic that imposes your will on her is taking quite a toll, you suppose. It's having to work hard itself, too; as Arturia is forced to adjust her speech into this respectful form, you can feel an ever-so-slight flow of energy from you to her. It's something you'd thought had been eliminated by the mystic code that keeps her in the world, but apparently the curse itself still needs to draw additional energy to enforce your will this directly. Still, there's no sense regretting it when it's her fault. If Arturia had just been willing to work with you from the first instead of clinging to her inane hatred founded on a misunderstanding, it would never have been necessary to take additional measures to force her compliance.'Good!' you tell her, forcing a sense of cheer and cordiality to suffuse the thought. 'I'm glad you're taking such a renewed interest in your position. Now, I'll be going to collect Adelheid. We'll speak further later.' Neither you nor Arturia says any more, and you get to your feet before hopping nimbly up onto the roof, relishing in your renewed grace for a moment before you begin looking for Adelheid.The trip itself is uneventful. At some point you presumably pass out of the area formerly enclosed by Bloodfort Andromeda, but the silence of the town after dark and the rapidity of the Noble Phantasm's killing are such that there's no visible difference between the uninhabited homes within the area of sacrifice and those outside it and still filled by sleeping families. Eventually, though, you come to one place which is very obviously out of the ordinary: a Lowson's convenience store which appears to have been shut up in a hurry, from the chain over its front doors and the cheap-looking "Closed until further notice" sign pasted up in the window. Its lights are on, though, a window has been removed, and even from a rooftop across the street you can faintly feel Adelheid's magical energy within. It seems she's been waiting here since Arturia left her.You drop to street level, cross, and hop into the Lowson's through the forced-open window, noting as you do so the incongruity of your appearance. A man in plate armor with gilt engravings and a fur-trimmed cloak in a convenience store is a laughable sight, to be sure. Still, if you were to dematerialize it all you'd have on would be an unbuttoned shirt, slacks, and those now-pointless bandages. For the moment you'll simply have to look a little absurd. Adelheid, on the other hand, looks quite at home in the convenience store with her youthful looks and school uniform, sitting on the counter next to a cash register, dangling her feet and popping candies into her mouth from an open box on her lap.
"There you are," you say by way of greeting as you walk up through the store. "I'm glad to see you're unharmed. I was worried Arturia might have hurt you, the way that woman takes any opportunity to act against me." You can hear anger creeping into your voice, but you tamp it down and paper it over with a pleasant smile. You didn't come here to vent to Adelheid, after all."The same to you, of course," Adelheid returns, her face lit up by a smile of her own. "It's wonderful to see you've healed, Alberich! With a fine new suit of armor, too! I did expect that ritual to be completed soon, but one can never be sure..." With a shrug she adds, "You didn't need to worry about me, anyway; I could kill that woman if I wanted to, I only retreated out of consideration for you. I suppose you put her on guard duty and she became overzealous?""That's so, yes," you answer with a nod and expression of exasperation for your frustrating Servant that you must have worn a thousand times since taking her in. You can only hope the new order will change things. For the moment, though, it's better to distract yourself and inform Adelheid of the state of affairs by explaining what else went on while she was away. "After I awoke, I was able to use Bloodfort Andromeda to heal myself and forge this new Noble Phantasm." You lay a finger against the ornate coat of arms on your cuirass for emphasis. "After that I had a visit from Emiya and his comrades, those same worthies I set you to watching. They called me a monster for what I'd done, attacked me, and were killed for their pains. So," you sum up, "I imagine your report on Emiya's doings has little that might be useful to me at this point, no?""Not quite true," Adelheid says easily, looking and sounding entertained by your story. "The man just went back to his house and started to discuss with his wife and friend how to keep you alive but unable to finish the War, so that wasn't worth much, but if I'd come back after seeing that I would've gotten back to the house a lot earlier. Instead, since there was nothing worth seeing at the Emiyas' house I thought I'd do some looking around the city for anything you might want to hear about. It was quiet all day, although I did pass a church where they seem to be having a military gathering, but what do you think I discovered when night fell?""I'm sure I can't imagine," you reply dryly, although inwardly you're rapidly filling with excitement. Could she have found an authentic lead on one of your allies?
"A bronze statue of a man at least six meters tall mounted outside an art museum, getting off its pedestal for a walk!" Adelheid bursts exclaims with an expression of mischievous glee at your shock. "Imagine that! I thought you'd like to hear about it as quickly as you might get the opportunity, so I came promptly back after that, and that's when I ran into that overeager sentry of yours. Chocolate?" She suddenly shifts topic to offer you one of her truffles, but at the moment your mind is utterly focused on the strange news. A giant statue walking around? It must be magical, but you have no idea which enemy or ally could be responsible. Obviously Circe or Kōrakuhime could make such a thing, but so, you imagine, could almost any trained magus capable of surviving this long as a Master.>[ ] Considering its ambiguity, the statue is less meaningful a lead than it might seem at first. Better to investigate the internet Kōrakuhime first and use divination to gather the rest of your allies once your sister has been found. Just take Adelheid home for now.>[ ] Although it may be ambiguous, the statue is certainly the most concrete lead you have. You and Adelheid will investigate immediately.>[ ] Gathering the rest of your allies can wait. Now that you're healed, it's time to deal with your most pressing and dangerous issue: the agents of the Church who nearly killed your familiar. Take Adelheid back to the house and organize a party to crush them tonight.>[ ] Decide something else about what to say to Adelheid. (Write in)
>>4352517>[ ] Although it may be ambiguous, the statue is certainly the most concrete lead you have. You and Adelheid will investigate immediately.It's either the work of an enemy to be slain or an ally to be found. Might as well check it out before returning home.I'm confused about why Ayaka still hasn't regained consciousness. We're much less of a drain on her energy now that we're not on the verge of death. Weren't we able to sort of feel or see the bond between us in the past? Could we investigate that to find her?
>>4352517>[X] Although it may be ambiguous, the statue is certainly the most concrete lead you have. You and Adelheid will investigate immediately.Kourakuhime likes using the environment for her attacks.
>>4352529Oh, also:>Accept the chocolate.
>>4352517>[X] Although it may be ambiguous, the statue is certainly the most concrete lead you have. You and Adelheid will investigate immediately.>[X] Accept the chocolate
>>4351314Yes, I heard about it. It's always a sad thing to lose one of the greats, especially someone who gave us music like that.>>4352556Oh? Anything you want to say about that vote?
>>4352643Weeeellll... if she has one in her mouth already, can we kiss her for it?Obviously we'll be thanking her for the chocolate.
>>4352517>>[ ] Although it may be ambiguous, the statue is certainly the most concrete lead you have. You and Adelheid will investigate immediately.
>>4352649Sure enough, one of the old guard. I'm glad you've stuck around this long.
>>4352517>>4352609Support.Between Achilles and Talos, my first thought is to assume this is going to be a lead on Circe.
>>4352527Although you can't trace the bond between you to her location, you can feel that you're still not receiving any more spare energy from her than you were when you were beaten by Matsuda. You're getting enough from her to keep you in the world, and no more; otherwise you're working off of the supply gained from Bloodfort exclusively.
"Certainly, thank you," you say absently, moving to take the truffle from her outstretched hand. As you reach out, though, Adelheid pulls her hand back, pops the candy into her own mouth, and with a burst of the kind of speed only a Servant is capable of springs forward to leap into your chest and press her lips to yours. Despite this initial vigor in her lightning-fast offensive, however, her tongue makes a stalwart defense, and it's only after a long and thoroughly engaged struggle that you manage to carry the prize into your own mouth. As it turns out, it's not exactly a truffle, but only a chocolate shell filled with candied cherry in a thin layer of syrup. It's overbearingly sweet, but after such a manner of receiving it you can hardly complain. Once the two of you have finally parted, though you're still obliged to carry Adelheid in your arms, you take a long breath and ask with raised eyebrow, "Just what did you mean by distracting me that way?""You need to ask?" Adelheid drags out her vowels teasingly as she stares deviously up into your eyes. "Why, you know I receive my magical energy from the Einzbern girl through Circe, and since she hasn't been in contact my cup hasn't exactly been running over. Since you only just filled up your supplies with that sacrifice, I thought I'd help myself to a taste. Your young bride isn't here to complain, after all.""Ha!" You let out a clipped, but sincere laugh. "That's why I know I can rely on you, Adelheid. You always keep an eye to the logistics. Now, though," you grow serious as you shift the topic, "we'd best discuss our next course of action. From what you've told me there's no sense in delaying. We'll go to investigate this status of yours immediately. With luck, either Circe or Kōrakuhime putting it use as a weapon; even without, if one of my allies is not responsible any magus making such an ostentatious show of their presence nearby must be another Master, and my enemy. Do you think you could find the statue again?"Adelheid gives you a thoughtful look, considering the matter for several seconds before answering, "I believe so. I had hoped to see you sooner than this, to be sure of the matter, but even now... It was leaving tracks in the cement, and I certainly remember where its pedestal was. We shouldn't have any difficulty finding the statue.""Excellent. In that case," you say, setting the diminutive Servant down to stand on her own feet, "let us be off! Lead on."
Clash of AutomataThe massive bronze fist and the improbably outsized halberd came together with an enormous ringing that no-one in their right mind would associate with the attack of one known for assassination. Indeed, everyone in the neighborhood must have heard it; a fair number of those sleeping soundly in their beds were woken up by one or another of aspect of the din of battle being produced by the Assassin and the bodyguard. Few of those who peeped out of their windows at the battle would, the next day, think of it as anything but a dream, though. Who could possibly tell their coworkers, speaking over lunch in the bright sunshine of midday, that the night before they'd been witness to melee combat between a six meter tall bronze statue moving as if it were alive and an albino woman in a maid uniform, wielding a halberd significantly larger than herself? Even in these strange times, when many were too weak to leave the house and remained at home day after day, they would be more likely to dismiss the impossible vision as a fever dream than to tell their families of it and expect to be taken seriously. So it was that in spite of using a titanic metal statue for his weapon, Assassin managed to maintain his professional secrecy (after a fashion). Whether this made any impact on his emotional state is uncertain. Certainly he had preserved a perfect record of utter secrecy in his killings throughout his life as a matter of both pride and devotion, but it hadn't been by such means as this that he'd done so; and then again, that half-mad devotion to perfect execution of his craft which characterizes the true artisan had been given total fulfillment during his life. Now Assassin was dead, and there are those who hold that nothing which happens after one dies matters in any way whatsoever. His feelings on the matter consequently remain uncertain. Assassin's opposite, by contrast, most certainly did not care about the secrecy their battle's absurdity was preserving. It could almost be said that Stachel couldn't care about such a matter, not only that she didn't. There was room in the mind of the robot-like combat homunculus for only three imperative matters to be treated with any importance: that she keep her mistress safe, that she help her mistress to perform the Heaven's Feel, and that she keep her mistress happy. Even among these limited concerns the third matter was far outweighed in importance by the first and second. As a result, whether or not the surrounding people reported Stachel's battle to their friends and family was a matter of no concern whatsoever to her. She was fighting to fulfill her primary reason for existing, and it was her last chance to redeem herself.
The failures Stachel heaped on her own shoulders, she deemed nearly unforgivable. She had first failed to detect this same enemy slipping past her into the Chamber of the Greater Grail, and had left all of her mistress' defense to the new lord. Then, far worse, she had failed to detect another enemy striking at the home of her mistress, and no-one protected her at all. In fact, it was Liliesviel who gave some of her own mystic energy to repair the damage Stachel sustained in the blast that killed her 'sister'. She had succeeded only in convincing her mistress not to seek out Lord Alberich, and consequently be confronted by those who sought to harm her through him, but to wait for him to find the mistress instead; and even that isolation had failed now that Assassin had found them once again, with only Stachel to defend her mistress. She must be victorious here.Again, the titanic foot crashed down to put a crater into the road as the statue stepped forward and swung a huge right fist intended to crush Liliesviel's bodyguard. The statue moved with a speed and lightness completely at odds with its enormous bulk, but even so it was too slow to match Stachel. She caught the punch on the blade of her halberd once again, turned it aside, and leaped up onto her foe's arm as the punch went by. She hoped to spring up the limb, slam the blade of her halberd down into the giant's shoulder and by parting the bronze with the superior metal of her own weapon do away with one of the statue's arms, but found that the thing's toughness was as unlike ordinary bronze as its speed. The statue sustained only a chip before it had finished bending at the elbow and pulling a huge hand back to seize the girl and slam her into the ground. Stachel sprang aside to escape the blow, but found that left her only standing in the street again, facing an enemy barely damaged and apparently undiminished in vigor. Stachel gripped her halberd more tightly. If this was the way of it, she thought, then all she could do was clash with it again and again, chipping away at it until either it broke or she did. It would be a long battle, but such is the specialty of an automaton.
ReunionBy the time you and Adelheid have tracked the statue from its vacated pedestal to its present location, quite some time has passed and you've made your way from the picturesque suburb the Koyama family once inhabited to a thoroughly nondescript area of town characterized by small apartment buildings of a character neither strikingly upscale nor strikingly poverty-stricken, multipurpose office buildings rarely more than two storeys tall, and of course the omnipresent convenience stores. You now stand on the roof of one of these apartment buildings, looking down into the street at a sight which fills you with renewed cheer: one of Liliesviel's maids, doing battle with the statue you've been following. She's bloody and battered, but alive, and can surely lead you to your beloved if she survives the battle. The statue, for its part, is similarly beaten up although once the carefully sculpted form of an athletic man, it's now almost unrecognizable due to a heavy layer of dents, gouges, and other surface damage covering it. For a few seconds you simply watch the battle as it plays out, judging who the victor might prove to be. Liliesviel herself is nowhere to be seen, although from the way that her maid moves, carefully steering the statue away from the entrance to a particular building regardless of the angle it attacks from, you think you have a fairly clear idea of where Liliesviel is most likely hiding. Even if her maid is killed before you intervene, you'll still be able to get to her. With that in mind, is it best to step in now, or wait as long as possible in an attempt to learn more about the mysterious golem's capabilities and possible origin?As you're considering this, you see a tiny motion out of the corner of your eye; something vaguely flickering in your peripheral vision. You look up to follow it, and after a moment see the indistinct form of a person, a shadow barely discernible against the night sky behind them, crouched on one of the rooftops across the street from you. Their clothing moves slightly in the wind, producing the motion that caught your attention. >[ ] Make your way to the opposite rooftop to investigate the crouching figure. Maybe they're the one controlling the statue.>[ ] Leap down to street level and intervene to help Liliesviel's maid. She may be struggling, but your sword should make quick work of the thing.>[ ] Wait to see how things resolve. If the enemy manages to defeat Liliesviel's maid that, if any, will be the moment they show their true face.>[ ] Do something else. (Write in)
>>4355327>[ ] Leap down to street level and intervene to help Liliesviel's maid. She may be struggling, but your sword should make quick work of the thingWithout Stachel there is no Heaven's Feel.Her survival is of higher priority than defeating Assassin, and trying to chase him down is unlikely to work regardless.
>>4355327Send Adelheid to the mystery figure. Go destroy the statue.
>>4355327>>4355388Backed, from what I remember Adelheid's firepower tends to have a bit more punch than needed to keep Stachel safe, with luck she'd be able to at do some damage to assassin before he escapes.
>>4355337>>4355388Support, also tackle and get the statue's legs Kénotis'd
Let her die.What a boring update.
>>4356178Your mom is a boring update.
>>4357632Gone. I had a craving.
>>4357632Sorry to drop out like that. I've had some IRL troubles to deal with. I will try to get an update done tonight, but can't really make any promises.
"Adelheid, do you see that silhouette on the opposite building?" you murmur, taking care to speak at a volume sufficient to reach the girl's ears but which will be masked by the wind at any greater distance."The crouching person?" she answers. "Yes, I can see her just fine.""Good. I want you to get across and capture them while I eliminate the statue. That's most likely the one responsible for this attack; I would like an interview." Without waiting for the confirmation you're certain Adelheid will give, you leap from the rooftop with Heiligöffnungschwert in hand. Now that you've resolved to protect Liliesviel's maid from her enemy, you don't want to waste the slightest amount of time in going about it. You move directly, traveling in a single arc from the rooftop to the bronze colossus, and when you reach him bring your blade down in a motion one with your own descent. The great arm, moving in a blow that might easily crush the statue's adversary if it were to connect, is parted from its shoulder with no more resistance than you feel when sweeping your blade through the air, and as you land you turn about to face a significantly weakened enemy.Then three things happen in near-simultaneous succession. First, there is a shrill cry from the top of a nearby building as a high female voice which strikes you as somehow slightly familiar calls, "Assassin!" Second, the statue loses all its impression of life and flexibility; it falls as rigid as its material suggests, the energy animating it having suddenly diffused into the air. Third, the building to which you dispatched Adelheid abruptly collapses with a thunderous roar and enormous plume of dust, as if the subject of a highly accelerated demolition. It all happens so quickly, and so strangely, that nothing occurs to you to do but watch. Adelheid won't be harmed by the collapsing building, of course, you're certain of that; it's presumably meant to be a distraction to cover the escape of that crouching figure, obviously the Master of Assassin. You could leap into the mess yourself, but doubtless you'd only succeed in getting yourself as turned around in the dust and falling debris as Adelheid presumably is. No, you only watch as, in the space of approximately four seconds, the three storey office building collapses utterly to the ground. "Lord Alberich, thank you for intervening for me," Liliesviel's maid, who you recognize from her lack of tone as Stachel, says as silence begins to fall. You turn to look at her, and with a blank, expressionless face she bobs a respectful curtsy before adding, "Lady Liliesviel will be-"
As the dust is still settling, and with only a few seconds having passed since the building's collapse, the new silence is broken by the muffled reverberation of an explosion below ground. It's rapidly followed by a second and, with a flash of light and burst of flame that sends debris flying in all directions into the street, Adelheid leaps out of the rubble covered in gray dust and looking furious. That expression of anger soon turns to a crestfallen one as she whips her head around but discovers no enemy to vent her anger on in the street. It's with a decidedly more frustrated, inelegant, stomping gait than you're used to seeing her move that Adelheid makes her way back to your side. "You had better luck than I," she announces, casting a contemptuous glare on the prone form of the broken statue. "I couldn't get a foot on that roof before the girl was calling for her Servant and the whole building went down. She disappeared in all the dust, I doubt I could follow her.""A shame," you mutter. "Capturing the Master of Assassin would have been an excellent opportunity." Still, you can't be angry with Adelheid. You didn't see where the girl got to yourself, after all, being focused on the strange collapse and then distracted by Stachel, and you had a far better position from which to observe than Adelheid did."I may have observed which direction the enemy moved in," Stachel interjects, voice as lacking inflection as ever despite the importance of her news. "The patterns of the dust were peculiar.""Well then, what are you waiting for?" You excitedly demand, stepping toward the woman. "Which way did they go?""If I may express an opinion," the maid humbly begins, her eyes downcast out of form rather than any embarrassment, "it would be best for you to go to Lady Liliesviel. She has been waiting anxiously to see you once again, and I may be incorrect in my estimate of the enemy's movement.">[ ] Take Stachel's advice as well as that of your own emotions and go in to see Liliesviel. You can deal with Assassin any time; he's a nearly useless Servant.>[ ] Insist that Stachel tell you which way the figure on the roof went. You're not going to let the Master of Assassin escape this easily!>[ ] Do something else. (Write in)
Alright, I'm finally back to writing! Next update will be tomorrow morning, so I hope you all kept this tab open.
>>4359725>[X] Insist that Stachel tell you which way the figure on the roof went. You're not going to let the Master of Assassin escape this easily!...Is Assassin's Master Shirou's daughter?
>>4359725>>[ ] Take Stachel's advice as well as that of your own emotions and go in to see Liliesviel. You can deal with Assassin any time; he's a nearly useless Servant.Leaning this way if only to see about securing mana for the time being, if need be we could send Adelheid to keep up pressure, we might not be able to communicate with her but if the lead is correct we can follow the trail of destruction they'd end up leaving behind.
>>4359748We can meet with her and get mana later, we aren't running low yet.We should really neutralize Assassin as soon as we can.
>>4359753Not saying we let them go, if people are concerned about the possibility of things going haywire and running out of mana midfight we could send Adelheid after while we quickly link up with Lily, save the full catchup on the last few days until after we deal with the current problem; if the lead's wrong we wouldn't have found anything anyway if its right we just follow the explosions and collapsed buildings, it would likely draw in more opponents but with our mana secured we ought to be able to handle it so long as Odin doesn't join the party.
>>4359725>Write inSend Adelheid after Assassin while you meet up with Lily.
>>4359846This, we can catch up with Hitler-chan via radio anyways
>>4359855How? We don't have one.
>>4359876We already contacted Adelheid before using a pc to catch the radio signal she was sending
>>4359881That was because some enthusiasts picked up on a repeating signal that lasted for hours.Nobody will post anything like that about simple sentences or conversations.
>>4359883We don't need to track her that way anyway. Both her and Assassin fight in such a loud and destructive way that there's no way we could lose track of them.
>the building to which you dispatched Adelheid abruptly collapses with a thunderous roar and enormous plume of dust, as if the subject of a highly accelerated demolitionSounds just like WTC building 7!>>4359725>[X] Take Stachel's advice as well as that of your own emotions and go in to see Liliesviel. You can deal with Assassin any time; he's a nearly useless ServantI was thinking about sending Adelheid after Assassin, but she doesn't have Magic Resistance and Rin might have one of those "anti-Heracles" nuke-gems.
>>4359906If his specialty is taking control of inanimate objects, and Adelheid's is embodying them, can't he take control of her?>>4359946Didn't Rin go to a different universe?
>>4359953>Didn't Rin go to a different universe?That would make for an interesting plot twist but it hardly seems to be the most likely conclusion
>>4359986The 2nd specializes in alternate universes.Since spacial manipulation isn't one of Rin's skills, she must've used something to get her out of this current universe.It's also likely what Rider meant when she said that there's no reason to mourn for Shirou, because Rin will just get another one from the universe she went to.
>>4359725>[ ] Take Stachel's advice as well as that of your own emotions and go in to see Liliesviel. You can deal with Assassin any time; he's a nearly useless Servant.
>>4359946>Sounds just like WTC building 7!I swear if were dealing with assassin Osama bin Laden..>she doesn't have Magic Resistance and Rin might have one of those "anti-Heracles" nuke-gems.Assuming it is Rin, we could have her pursue them to keep them from losing her but not directly engage until we catch up, in the mean time have her just focus on leaving a trail of destruction for us to follow.
Procrastinate romance, pursue Assassin>>4359740Send Berserker in hot pursuit while you have your reunion.>>4359846>>4359855Let Assassin and his Master go for the time being, go in and see Liliesviel.>>4359748>>4359946>>4360054Looks like we have a slight majority for staying to catch up with Liiliesviel. Unless any of you shift things in the next hour, I'll start writing then.>>4359740What makes you say that, anon?
>>4359748>>4359846 May as well change to this.
>>4360722Scratch that, on the fence and soon as I post I end up tipping the other way, Main issues with at the moment is if we send out we won't have a way to call off if Lily brings up going check the grail, sending out to follow the destruction is going to draw attention, at least from the church and we end up in a 1v2+ until we get there, plus there's always the possibility of assassin working with someone else and we end up sending into a trap, and of course obligatory 'if she ends up killing them lose an upgrade'
>>4360773So are you voting to stay here, or withdrawing your vote entirely to tie things until you decide how to vote?
I dropped off this quest when the bitching and moaning about Lilliesviel became too much.What's happened since we... revealed our self to the Loli? Didn't we get Hectate too by pure chance and then invade Rider's mind?
>>4360814Ah, welcome backThe quick rundown is yes that happened. Then we>got a magic-related skill upgrade>de-aged Medusa into a loli and yoinked her sisters from her mental world into the real one, which she appreciated>Harris blew up our master's manor, everyone scattered, and we got cut to bits by Matsuda after a failed mid-combat magic experiment but Medusa bailed us out>we had a wheelchair Dio arc for a while>full restore with Bloodfort Andromeda and got an armor upgrade that gives damage reduction against attacks that don't have Imaginary number affinity>"kills" Shirou after he gets royally pissed for Alberich killing a few thousand people to full restore>"kills" Sakura by sending her through a portal to the Imaginary numbers realm where the gods live>about to find Lilliesviel
>>4360814Both of those happened, yes. There's been... a lot that's happened since you confessed your true nature to Liliesviel. I'd suggest catching up with the PDF at >>4339261, starting from page 585 (just after you confessed) as the most convenient way of getting up to speed.
>>4360796Dropping the change sticking with original.
>>4360850Have things finally cooled down? That's what really got me out this- that and burnout.
>>4360879Well, there hasn't been anyone complaining about Liliesviel in a while. I think that controversy is probably over. As for complaints in general, at least the last couple of updates have been pretty calm. I think the person who was most outspoken about criticizing the quest ended up dropping it earlier in this thread, actually; maybe he just hasn't been voting, though.
There definitely hasn't been the sheer volume of argument that there was a few months ago. You can see that just from the reply count. I'd say it's cooled down overall.
>>4360879Good to see you back, for now it's fairly quiet aside from a couple of '1 post IDs' who pop in just to talk shit, most of the more obnoxious players seemed to either drop out after the 'Shirou/Sakura' incident or settled down with us getting back to the HGW proper, time will tell how long this lasts though.
>>4360890Probably because you don't have the same volume of players lol! Good job managing to kill your own quest!I look forward to the day you inevitably drop this anime fanfic garbage.God knows this board doesn't need this anime fanfic pedo trash cluttering it up.This quest belongs in Akun or QQ.You are a pedo with a literal child's understanding of a japanese eroge and a fetish for the Einzbern in particular. You are a literal joke.>>4360879I'd suggest closing the thread and never looking back. >>4360889>LiliesvielYou are still complete slime for forcing that bucket of dogshit bootleg down your player's throats. Sasuga, Einzbernfag.
What does this woman, this maid think she's doing by contradicting you? Irritated pride flares up within you, and you turn on her a level, probing look of disapproval. You favor her with this silent gaze, in fact, for long enough that any other woman of your acquaintance would begin to feel the pressure of your eyes and squirm, or break eye contact out of nervousness. Stachel, though, only continues to maintain the same glassy, emotionless expression that constantly adorns her face. Inwardly you sigh, your anger fading as quickly as it flared up. This isn't a willful disobedience like Arturia's; most likely she was doing no more than earnestly telling you what she thought would be best for you and Liliesviel. For that matter, who's to say she isn't right? Assassin, from all you've seen of him, is a Servant pathetic enough that you can deal with his attacks without difficulty at any time he chooses to make them and finish him off the moment he reveals himself. Meeting Liliesviel again, though, is quite another matter. At the moment, she represents your only sustainable supply of mystic energy, and even thinking only practically that concern takes priority over others. Aside from that, there's a great deal you'd like to ask her about what went on while you were unconscious; Odin leaving her, her argument with Ayaka and Kōrakuhime, and so-on. Moreover, perhaps the greatest reason of all is your simple wish to see her again. Now that she's almost right before you, your absence from her these past days feels all the more painful; as if you've been away from her for years and thinking of her every day of that time, not only a few days during which your thoughts were mostly concerned with other matters. "Very well, Stachel," you say, letting your heavy stare fade into a warm and approving smile, "I believe you're right after all; it really would be for the best for me not to keep my Liliesviel waiting any longer. We'll simply have to track Assassin down another day. Tell me, then. Where is your mistress now?""You do not mean that!" Adelheid bursts out, stepping around you to bring her furious face back into your vision and glowering up at you from under her officer's cap, hands on her hips and fire in her eyes. "You intend to let a beaten enemy go just for the sake of that girl's feelings? Have you lost your wits, Alberich? We could eliminate a Master and Servant tonight!"
"Do be silent," you snap coldly, rounding with fresh anger on this new source of rebellion. "Reuniting my scattered allies takes precedence over assaulting the enemy under these circumstances. I would have thought you understood that already. Have you forgotten our limited supplies so quickly? Liliesviel is the answer to that problem; I'll hear no more protestations from you about this." It really is inexplicable, you think angrily. Just a short time before, Adelheid seemed to have such an excellent understanding of the importance of managing the mystic energy you have available to you, and now suddenly she wants to behave as though you have no limits on your energy and can go chasing Assassin half across the city! You can understand the impulse, of course, you felt it yourself, but a moment's thought should have cleared it. Ah, well. At least she seems cowed by your words. You turn your attention back to Stachel and, returning your voice to that jovial tone of a good-humored master, command, "Now, show me where you've hidden Liliesviel."The three of you walk briefly up the street in silence, passing three buildings before you come to a stop at the ground-floor entrance to what is apparently Liliesviel's current home: an apartment building which, while undoubtedly of some quality, is a far cry from the no-expense-spared grandeur of the skyscraper in which you first visited the princess-like girl. She, you think wryly as you examine the bland stucco exterior and numerous identical front doors, has been compelled to make the same kind of concession in living conditions you have. Such is life when enemies are continuously attempting to demolish your home."Lady Liliesviel could not easily make use of her money without Stengel," Stachel explains as she leads you up the exterior stairs to the second floor. "We had no choice but to remove some humans from their home by hypnosis and make use of it.""Hypnosis, eh? Rather tender-hearted of you," you remark. "We came to the same solution, myself and those who escaped with me, but in our case simply killed those using the home. Of course, not being Servants I suppose you and Liliesviel have no use for human blood; you wouldn't want to deal with the mess."Stachel makes no reply, but comes to a halt in front of an eminently plain door approximately halfway down the building, its only adornments being a pair of potted shrubs which flank it. "Here," she declares. "Lady Liliesviel is awaiting my return inside. We will remain out here so that you may have privacy.""What do you mean, 'we will remain out here'?" Adelheid demands, her pride flaring up at having her affairs managed so peremptorily. "Who empowered you to decide whether or not I wait here on the balcony, hmm? I'll follow Alberich in there and say a word of greeting the girl I'm getting my energy from if I please!"
"We will wait." Stachel reiterates in a voice like steel, turning her strangely mechanical focus on Adelheid. "I cannot explain it as Stengel would, but no inferior product or outsider must interfere with the reunion of the lord and lady of the Einzbern. That is all.""Would you do me a favor of waiting outside for a little while?" you ask Adelheid, stepping into the conversation before it can become more heated and replacing your earlier imperious attitude with one of your most charming smiles. "I would like to discuss matters alone with Liliesviel at first, but we'll call the two of you in soon enough; don't worry."Adelheid averts her eyes from yours and reddens, suddenly embarrassed at her uncontrolled outburst, and concedes with a huff, "Fine then; but I'll remember this." Seeming to want to underscore the end of the conversation, she spins around to turn her back on you and stare moodily out over the balcony at the night scenery. It's not particularly impressive; from the second floor of a building in a neighborhood full of two and three-story buildings one mostly only sees the street and neighboring buildings. Still, if she can satisfy herself that way you aren't inclined to complain. You turn likewise away and, with a nod from Stachel, turn the nob and step through the door to Liliesviel's temporary home, letting your armor fade away as you do so.From the moment you open the door you can see her. The corridor from the front door opens directly on the apartment's living room, where Liliesviel is kneeling on the tatami at a low table, her ornate dress of luxuriant brocade, white lace, and red ribbons out of place among the tawdry furniture of an ordinary home, staring at the entrance with an expression of mixed apprehension, worry, fear, and hope. Of course. She must have felt your magical presence approaching. Still, the stress of the past days and her concessions to circumstance haven't dimmed her beauty. For all her tiresome, pedestrian surroundings, Liliesviel herself remains as radiant as the first time you saw her. Your eyes are transfixed by those delicate elfin features, such a masterwork of fragile vulnerability with their porcelain complexion, frame of ivory hair in cascading waves, and ruby eyes that fill as she beholds you. Then the two of you are rushing together, her springing up to leap into your arms, you surging forward to pick her up and enfold her, and meet where the entryway meets the living room, in an embrace and kiss flavored by tears of joy. You remain together for a long time; if only it could be forever; before parting. In an expression of sweet gentleness, she rests her head against your chest, her cheek pressing against your now unnecessary bandages, to reassure herself of your solidity and presence as she murmurs, "Alberich, I'm so glad you've come back to me. I'm so glad. So glad..."
"You needn't worry anymore, Liliesviel," you murmur into her ear, holding her all the tighter at this to reassure her of your return, stroking her hair, pressing her to you, and, you must admit to yourself, relishing to a certain degree the sensation of her body against you even through her dress. At such a romantic moment, after such passion, it would be ridiculous to claim you were entirely pure in feeling now. Still, one can't perpetuate an embrace forever, and to give vent to your lust now would certainly be ill-timed. Better, you think, to move to a more substantive topic of conversation. Chief among them being the reason for her extreme emotion; it can't only be your separation, can it? She knew from her own survival that you were alive, after all; it isn't as though you were in the same state of magically induced unconsciousness as previously.>[ ] Ask Liliesviel about the attack on her by Assassin, and if that was the reason she was so frightened.>[ ] Ask Liliesviel if the reason was so distraught was something that happened while you were unconscious. The thing that had gone terribly wrong which she mentioned when you awoke, perhaps?>[ ] Ask Liliesviel about her separation from Odin, and whether that's the reason she's in such a state of distress.>[ ] Tell Liliesviel you're taking her back with you now to the house you've been using as a temporary home since the Shijou manor was destroyed. Everything else can wait until you've returned there and she's had a bit more of a chance to calm down.>[ ] Say something else. (Write in)
>>4361298>[ ] Ask Liliesviel if the reason was so distraught was something that happened while you were unconscious. The thing that had gone terribly wrong which she mentioned when you awoke, perhaps?Good a place as any to start I suppose
>>4361298>[X] Ask Liliesviel if the reason was so distraught was something that happened while you were unconscious. The thing that had gone terribly wrong which she mentioned when you awoke, perhaps?
>>4361298>>[ ] Ask Liliesviel if the reason was so distraught was something that happened while you were unconscious. The thing that had gone terribly wrong which she mentioned when you awoke, perhaps?
We should also ask her what happened to Circe and why she isn't here with her.
>>4361468Agreed, question is before or after we call Adelheid in? She is asking to get involved and we did weld their command seals together.
>>4361580Before we call her in, in fact why don't we do so right now?
>>4361581For now main things we should to bring up (I can think of atm);Get caught up on past week, what we've both been doing, report that we dealt with the Emiya's, during the Satchel interlude it sounded like they're already aware Assassin tampered with the grail have that meta brought up, and catch up on the status of Circe/Odin.I'm asking if we should get Adelheid involved when we start talking about the things that are going to directly effect our future HGW plans and how we deal with our former allies to 'not spend time having things explained twice' at least in setting but it's fine by me either way, this isn't really a deal breaker to me.
>>4361605She's a very capable tactician, I see no reason not to include her in our strategy meetings.
>>4361298>[ ] Ask Liliesviel if the reason was so distraught was something that happened while you were unconscious. The thing that had gone terribly wrong which she mentioned when you awoke, perhaps?
Sorry I couldn't get any writing done today, folks; been away from the computer. The next update will be Sunday morning.
>>4363668It's now way past morning...
>>4364452indeedsoon it will be time to rouse the rabble
"Where has all this emotion come from, Liliesviel?" you ask, smiling warmly down into her face and making your tone light enough to be comforting, though not so much so as to belie the seriousness of the topic. "You knew I was alive by the bond between our souls, and must not have thought I was still unconscious after you saw me awaken from that coma. I had to come back to you in time, once I could find you.""But there's so much I didn't know!" Liliesviel protests, her emotional retort somewhat muffled by your shirt. "You were alive of course, but I thought perhaps... perhaps you'd been captured, or perhaps you'd been wounded horribly, or perhaps... oh!" She breaks off amidst renewed tears, finally managing after several seconds to conclude, "I don't even want to say what I worried about. It's been too, too terrible!" Terrible. The recurrence of that word reminds you of the last time she used it, to describe the nebulous circumstance of something going wrong while you were unconscious, and as you pet and comfort her, reassuring her that you've returned, you think back to that moment. It strikes you how Liliesviel's changed since you fell into unconsciousness. Of course the bonds of affection between the two of you are strong, that's certain enough, but the girl in your arms now, so consumed by worry, is a far cry from displaying anything like the air of supreme confidence she had when you first met. Even in her most vulnerable moments, you think, she's always seemed to have a certain degree of self-possession and inner strength that seems to have deserted her now. Just which part of the events while you were unconscious struck her such a blow?"Liliesviel," you begin softly, still comforting, "you told me that things were 'terrible' once before; when you were speaking about what happened while I was unconscious you told me that everything had gone terribly wrong. Tell me, were these worries that took hold of you exacerbated by that?""Yes, but it is... you'll think... I..." Seemingly unable to find the words, Liliesviel lapses into silence and turns her eyes plaintively up to stare into yours. She breathes in a long, shuddering breath and then, all at once, seems to pour out all her emotion and lack of composure with it as she lets it back out. With an utterly different, and quite level, tone she says, "Please put me down and come sit down, Alberich. I love it when you hold me in your arms, but it's no way to have a conversation." This forcible reclamation of composure reminds you rather bluntly of the fact that this tiny girl is in fact twenty years your senior in authentic life, and even if you include Yumigawa's memories as your own has two years on you still. Fairly shocked by her abrupt change in demeanor you do as you're bid, setting Liliesviel down on her feet and following her into the living room, to take your seat opposite her at the low table.
"I'm a little scared to tell you this," Liliesviel says once you're both seated, speaking in a small, but controlled voice. "Scared you'll think I've been stupid and childish; that I couldn't keep my promise." Finally, as you begin to feel you know just what's coming, she makes herself say it. "I was afraid you might choose not to come back to me. I had an argument with your 'sister' and your Master while you were asleep, and it was just horrible!" At the memory of the argument her voice begins to grow heated and indignant, lips pursing in a fetching pout. "I said that after you woke up I'd have to have you become my Servant so you wouldn't have problems like this anymore because I could help you, and the Shijou girl said you would never agree to that because you were her knight, and swore to make her happy. So I told her about how we had proven our love for each other, and obviously you couldn't really care about her, and then that abominable 'sister' of yours started laughing, and saying that she knew you much better than we did, and we were both the same; that you fell in love with any girl you looked at and forgot about her as soon as you looked at someone else! It was terrible. I knew I should trust you, but when Otto and Circe both disappeared, and you were gone, and I only had Stachel, I started to worry so much." At the conclusion of this outpouring of concern, Liliesviel stares at you across the table, a look of pleading in her eyes, and asks, "You don't really feel anything for any other girls, do you? You did come back to me, after all; you were only telling that Shijou girl what she wanted to hear so you could make use of her as a Master, right?">[ ] Tell Liliesviel that she's the only one in your heart, and of course anything you said to any other girls was only for the purposes of manipulation.>[ ] Tell Liliesviel that although you have felt some attraction to other women in the past, you've never felt about anyone the way you feel about her, and she's first in your heart.>[ ] Tell Liliesviel that of course you care about no-one as much as you care for her, but that doesn't diminish the meaning of what you've told Ayaka. You intend to make both of them happy, and Kōrakuhime as well. Tell her there's no reason you can't be her husband, Ayaka's knight, and Kōrakuhime's brother all at the same time.>[ ] Say something else. (Write in)
>>4364452>>4364527Sorry about that. I couldn't get any writing done earlier today after all. Hopefully the next update will be finished quite a bit faster than this one.At any rate, here's something a little different: a social challenge. I'm sure you've all been expecting a question like this for a while, and I wanted to let you vote on how to get out of the sticky situation rather than just write an answer.
>>4365191>[X] Tell Liliesviel that of course you care about no-one as much as you care for her, but that doesn't diminish the meaning of what you've told Ayaka. You intend to make both of them happy, and Kōrakuhime as well. Tell her there's no reason you can't be her husband, Ayaka's knight, and Kōrakuhime's brother all at the same time.Feel like the truth is the way to go here, otherwise there will be many problems as a result of lying.
>>4365191>>[ ] Tell Liliesviel that of course you care about no-one as much as you care for her, but that doesn't diminish the meaning of what you've told Ayaka. You intend to make both of them happy, and Kōrakuhime as well. Tell her there's no reason you can't be her husband, Ayaka's knight, and Kōrakuhime's brother all at the same time.Good update, not too satisfied with the wording on his one but leaning this way for now, would like better if a bit clearer they're 'friend zoned' and 'sibling zoned' respectively.
I find it amusing that Kourakuhime's description of Alberich is the most accurate, but it doesn't diminish the intensity of his feelings just because they're transient.I wonder if he'll realize that, or be swindled into thinking only one person must rule his heart.
>more Korean tier relationship dramaStop.Let's just get back to killing shit.
>>4365191>[ ] Tell Liliesviel that of course you care about no-one as much as you care for her, but that doesn't diminish the meaning of what you've told Ayaka. You intend to make both of them happy, and Kōrakuhime as well. Tell her there's no reason you can't be her husband, Ayaka's knight, and Kōrakuhime's brother all at the same time.
Hold on, why hasn't Lily command sealed Circe back to her?She can use them infinitely and has shown no hesitation to using them, so how could Circe just disappear and Lily not call her back?Especially after our Manor got exploded.
>>4365191>[ ] Tell Liliesviel that of course you care about no-one as much as you care for her, but that doesn't diminish the meaning of what you've told Ayaka. You intend to make both of them happy, and Kōrakuhime as well. Tell her there's no reason you can't be her husband, Ayaka's knight, and Kōrakuhime's brother all at the same time.>>4366079Maybe the same reason Medea laughed in Atrum's face before she killed him?
>>4366562Circe can't hurt Lily by order of the Command Seals, so that's not a problem.
>>4366562>Maybe the same reason Medea laughed in Atrum's face before she killed him?Always figured that was probably thanks to rulebreaker shenanigans, if so I somehow doubt that's going to be the case here. Might have something to do with the janky command seal we gave her or Lily being focused on us meant leaving an AoG mage/former magic goddess alone to tamper with it for several hours, etc. right now until we can get a more definite answer all we can do is shoot in the dark.
>>4365191>[ ] Tell Liliesviel that of course you care about no-one as much as you care for her, but that doesn't diminish the meaning of what you've told Ayaka. You intend to make both of them happy, and Kōrakuhime as well. Tell her there's no reason you can't be her husband, Ayaka's knight, and Kōrakuhime's brother all at the same time.let's just hope she doesn't freak out and call us traitor or something
Wow, I have to tell you I did not expect this outcome; much less for it to be unanimous! To think you'd go for this kind of full disclosure...Well, it'll be interesting. Also unexpected was how much work I've had these past two days. Next update will be posted at some point in the next 12 hours.
>>4368999May as well rip off the bandaid all in one go, being secretive at this point especially to Lily would be kind of ridiculous.
>>4368999I say let's just be honest, I don't think anyone's going for harem route but Lily isn't the only person we care about. If she's not cool with that then it's her problem.
>>4366740We do know Circe yoinked a bunch of Command Seals from the defeated masters (from an interlude I think?) with which to order Odysseus around. She may be a bit of a bird-brain in practical matters but I wouldn't discount her skill in magic to find some kind of loophole in the system.>>4369893>If she's not cool with that then it's her problem.Yeah she needs to settle down some. I miss Ayaka. And bunny-goddess.
>>4369896Not discounting that either, I do vaguely remember after our botch job with the command seal welding she mentioned something about how that if we were planning to try something like that we could've gotten better results if we just went to her with it.
What's your wishlist for chapter 3? Mine are>Less characters>Less canon characters>Less power>Not a grail war>Personal quest for Alberich, such as revenge or redemption
"Now I suppose it's my turn to say something difficult," you begin, looking gravely over the table at Liliesviel and, not for the first time, feeling anger flare within you at Kōrakuhime's ill-chosen and inconsiderate words. Your feelings do have a way of coming and going, you can admit that to yourself, but the way she seems to have put it casts you as quite blackhearted and false. Surely, you think, it's nothing so worthy of resentment for one to feel more passion toward beauty before one's eyes than the object of remembered affection. Now, for example, Liliesviel certainly occupies the first place in your heart, and would drive all thoughts of other women from you if the conversation hadn't turned in this direction, but when a short time before you were kissing Adelheid your mind certainly wasn't on Liliesviel. Could any man blame you for such wavering feelings, or claim his own are truly different? You doubt it. Still, it's obvious you can't put things to Liliesviel quite that way. Thinking quickly, you search for the words to represent your transitory feelings in a palatable manner. "You are of course the first in my heart," you finally say, "and I feel for no-one as I feel for you, but that is not to say that I feel nothing at all for Ayaka or Kōrakuhime. There are different kinds of affection a man can feel, you see. I-""Different kinds of affection?" Liliesviel echoes, her pout becoming more pronounced as her balled hands dig into her skirts and fresh teardrops spring into her eyes. "You mean you really did mean what you told that girl? You won't become my Servant, even now?""No," you answer, not rising to her high emotion but keeping your voice low, calm, and solemn, "I won't. Not only because of Ayaka, but because of you as well. You're already supporting two Servants, and are tied to a third. Even you would begin to suffer if I added myself to that burden." When she begins to speak up again you raise a placating hand. "Please, Liliesviel, hear me out." Still, it's obvious that continuing with the 'different kinds of affection' rationale will get you nowhere. You'll have to change tack, and convince her on the basis of responsibility instead.
"Ayaka lost her brother because of my failure in battle," you begin again, the confession of insufficiency driving a bitter pang of frustration into you. "She could have cast me off easily after that; used her up command spell and left me to fade away, so that she could escape the War unscathed. Instead she remained with me, and for my sake lost her role as a student, her place in the world, her home itself. That was an exchange. I swore that I would guide her to happiness to repay that devotion, and to break that promise now would be as much as to say I am incapable of keeping it. I have no intention of insulting myself that way. As for Kōrakuhime, she is truly my sister. We were born in the same place, at the same time, and by the same means and creator. I've lost one sibling already, when neither of us knew who we were. Another, having once been my friend, has made himself an unforgivable enemy. Kōrakuhime alone, of the three, has stuck by me and, for all her flaws, done her best to help me. I have no intention of giving her up either.""But listen," you continue, finally letting some emotion into your voice and leaning over the table to bring your face closer, and almost to plead with the girl. "Don't you see how these bonds are different from that I share with you? There is no conflict between them; no reason why you should resent Ayaka or Kōrakuhime. I can be your husband, Ayaka's protector, and Kōrakuhime's brother without any of those roles interfering with any other. You won't lose any part of my affection by my keeping my promises to others.""Then what that oni girl said really was a lie?" Liliesviel asks, her sorrow and frustration briefly giving way to hope. "You don't love anyone but me, and won't forget about me when you're away?""I did return to you, didn't I?" You give Liliesviel your warmest smile. "I could never forget you or lose my love for you." It's not exactly an answer to her question. You can't bear to lie to her directly, but it's obvious that to concede how near Kōrakuhime's estimation comes to the truth of your feelings would only hurt Liliesviel needlessly. That's something you're no more eager to do than lie to your beloved. Besides, you reassure yourself, in a concrete way it's surely true that your feelings for no other girl can reach the height of those you have for Liliesviel. You've been intimate with no-one else, and more importantly your soul is tied together with Liliesviel's. Surely there could be no more meaningful show of love than that; so to sidestep the question, you think, isn't really much of a deception. It's only to spare her sensibilities.
"Thank you," Liliesviel replies, a mixed expression on her face. She's blushing at your words, and have dried, but her lips still pout in evident frustration at being unable to get all she wants. Her voice, too, is not as joyfully reassured as you might have hoped. "As long as you love me, and won't forget me the way your 'sister' said you would," she continues, "that is everything I could hope for." It's plain from the look of frustrated desire on her face, though, that this conversation has only papered over the issue and not resolved it; that Liliesviel will likely bear a grudge against the other women around you all the harsher for her having forgiven you your inability to be utterly and completely devoted to her. You think, for a moment, of the Gods and ancient heroes you were created to resemble, and wonder if you haven't found yourself emulating Zeus' situation.Hastily, you move to change the subject. "Wonderful," you say, "you have my promise that I will not, and neither do I have any intention of leaving you as unprotected as you have been since the attack on our home again. To that end, let us call in the others and discuss what is to be done in the Grail War, shall we?""Others?" Liliesviel asks, her eyes moving to the door. "Which Servant did you bring with you? I can feel the energy.""Adelheid, my Berserker whom you've been giving energy through Circe," you explain as you walk toward the door. With your back to Liliesviel you can't see her reaction to this news, but hope her frown isn't deepening at the presence of another pretty young girl around you. You rather expect, though, that it is. When you open the door to wave the maid and Servant in, you see that Adelheid has dropped her pose of inspecting the profoundly uninteresting scenery. Both have evidently been watching the door while they wait, one expressionless and the other impatient."So the young bride and groom are reunited at last," Adelheid proclaims with an air of sarcastic politeness as she walks in behind you. "Was your reunion every bit as wonderful as you imagined? Have you quite exhausted your affectionate groping, so we menials can be let in?""It was perfect," Liliesviel huffs, eyes flashing furious indignation at Adelheid's intimation of discord in spite of the argument a moment before. "Wouldn't you rather discuss military matters than things that don't concern you, Berserker?""Military matters, yes," you cut in with a smile and cordial tone, not giving Adelheid the chance to worsen the situation. "Liliesviel, the next matter I wanted to discuss with you was that of your other Servants, and Adelheid, I wanted you in the room in case you had any strategic advice on the situation. Why are Caster and Lancer gone? Do you know where they've disappeared to?" This being a somewhat public place, you take care not to use the Servants' true names. Assassin or some other party may be lingering hidden nearby and unaware of their identities, after all.
"I know where Otto is at least," Liliesviel says, her spirits seeming to rise at the question as a mischievous smile comes to her face. "He left while you were unconscious, and told me he wasn't willing to help me anymore. He said he was bored of spending his time with us, and he'd wait at the Greater Grail for whoever came to face him. Aren't you strong enough to beat him yet, Alberich? Let's punish him!""Whether or not I can defeat Lancer is a matter more doubtful than I'd like," you answer flatly. "What about Caster? She shouldn't have so much freedom from you.""I really don't know," Liliesviel says, putting a finger to her cheek and looking into the middle distance with an uncertain expression as she probes her memory. "My command spell doesn't do anything when I order her back to me, and I can't make her respond telepathically either. I'm sure she's still alive, but I can't imagine how she managed to get away.""Indeed," you say. "Well then...">[ ] "...we ought to pay a visit to the Greater Grail. The time may have come for me to face Lancer, but even if not I'd like to know what prompted this change of heart.">[ ] "...I suppose there's little to be done with regards to your other Servants. Let's return to the house I've been using; at least there I have a lead on possibly locating my sister tomorrow.">[ ] Say something else. (Write in)
>>4369896I'm so glad someone likes Hecate. >>4370010I can promise you at least that it won't be another Holy Grail War. The others are somewhat dependent on how Awakening Mirror ends. I'm curious to hear what others would like out of Inverse Moon as well.
I'm thinking we should go crash that church gathering, if we're going to meet with Ogawara tomorrow, and Odin will probably just fight us if we show up at the Greater Grail.Maybe we could stop by the Emiya estate sometime tonight as well?The only person I can think of being Assassin's master that we wouldn't immediately recognize by voice is Shirou's daughter.>>4370132I want to see some kaleidoscope shenanigans for sure.
>>4370130>[ ] "...we ought to pay a visit to the Greater Grail. The time may have come for me to face Lancer, but even if not I'd like to know what prompted this change of heart."
>>4370132>others would like out of Inverse Moon as well.Alaya instantly pruning a dead-end timeline.
>>4370130>[ ] "...we ought to pay a visit to the Greater Grail. The time may have come for me to face Lancer, but even if not I'd like to know what prompted this change of heart."We should try to figure out what his deal is, it's been too long. Plus with a little extra damage-reduction we should be able to make an effective fighting-retreat if he's particularly ornery.
>>4370215>doesn't want this quest to exist>still posts in itThis is just sad anon. Get a hobby.
>>4370231I have a hobby.I play better Fate quests than this one, lol.
>>4370234Let me guess, you prefer the Shinji isekai metagaming quest. Good for you. So go enjoy samefagging that quest and stop shitting up our thread with multiple "1 post by this ID" posts. There's seriously no point. Sweets has shown that no amount of whiners will make him stop running so you're doing absolutely nothing here.
>>4370257Hey, he could prefer Overgrowth.
>>4370234Then do that instead of hanging around here as a spiteful existence.>>4370257What's supposed to be bad about it? I like that quest too.
>>4370273I don't like it but I didn't say anything bad about it either. It's just not for me. >>4370268That quest isn't bad at all, I prefer this one though.>>4370234Notice how I'm not shitting up a thread I don't like for no reason? That's how normal people do things.
>>4370268>>4370273Not going to vote, you two?
>>4370132I'm in it to see where things go, so long as it stays well written I can adapt my posts to suit what happens, It can be an SoL of Alberich's first Christmas and new years for all I care i'll still be here.>>4370201Might be, we did also briefly meet Luvia when talking with Truvi didn't we? Not too familiar on their lore but wasn't she also a apprentice to Zelretch, even if not just because Yumigawa said they left the country is kind of meaningless when they're working with someone who has access to space folding magic as Rin already demonstrated.We're going to need to go to the grail eventually and longer we put off less likely we're going to get the chance to fix whatever assassin did to it but at the same time we kill Odin now we're going to be playing defensive against assassin and the church for the rest of the war over it.
>>4370549Didn't we all go over this a while ago? Neither Rin, Luvia, or Truvi can be Assassin's Master because of the timeframe of when they appeared in the city and when Assassin was summoned.And aside from that Assassin has been hanging around the Emiya house, and Sakura isn't in this plane of existence anymore, if she's alive, so she's not Assassin's master.Rin just teleported somewhere, so I doubt that she'd have organized such an attack on Lily that quickly.I'm still convinced that she went to an alternate dimension since that's the only magic she should be able to use to achieve the effect that we witnessed, but either way.The only female left in the equation who can be Assassin's Master and has relations with the Emiyas is the daughter isn't it?
>>4370130>[ ] "...we ought to pay a visit to the Greater Grail. The time may have come for me to face Lancer, but even if not I'd like to know what prompted this change of heart."Fuck it, I think we will have a really hard time fighting Odin, but hell I really want to get rid of him already.
>>4370576I'm not saying it's not Emiya's daughter, she's still the most likely candidate, only thing keeping me from saying it's definite is that we haven't dealt with her enough to compare her personality with assassins master from the interlude. I'm just saying i'm not ruling out Luvia (or Rin to a lesser extent) just yet just because she wasn't here when she or someone she's working with might have access to a form of teleportation, definitely not Sakura though, not unless Zelretch started fishing himself, and for her to fit the timeline he'd need to work very fast to the point he'd have to be in town.
>>4370603There's also that Alberich thought her voice sounded familiar, and we don't know many female mages that we wouldn't recognize by voice instantly, but we've only met the daughter once iirc.
>>4370644>we've only met the daughter once iirc.Same with Luvia and it did feel like she was putting on a show to us, at least when I read it, and I don't think its Rin without a major stretch because if she didn't abandon the timeline completely she's likely seeing about trying to get Touko to patch up Shirou/Zelretch fishing out Sakura. Again I'm not saying its not the daughter, i'm just not ruling Luvia out just yet because unless she inherited the best of both parents and is now effectively a reincarnation of Gilgamesh, i'm going to anticipate the more dangerous alternative.Anyway only thing keeping me from casting my vote for going after Odin now is 1) with him gone we're going to be playing king of the hill over the grail and2) killing him without Ayaka means missing out on a potential upgrade unless we work out a way to drain him ourselves.
>>4370688I voted to visit Odin but I didn't intend on having our climactic duel. I mean he COULD force the issue if he really wanted to but I trust we could talk him down. I mainly wanted to get a feel for what his objective was and maybe cross blades a couple times to get a read on how strong he is before withdrawing.If we actually beat him we'd probably be awfully burned out and there's still plenty of little creeps who could jump us when we're at our weakest again.In fact, the presence of more enemies would discourage putting everything into the fight, since we'd need to keep something in reserve for after we win, hence why it's in Odin's best interests to let us wipe out the remaining enemies before fighting him. Then he could truly see whether Judas Iscariot's firstborn son at his best is strong enough to take down his Servant form or not.
Oh and if he's feeling particularly generous (or impatient) he might give us a lead on what happened to Ayaka and Hecate. Not to push our luck of course.
>>4370130>[ ] "...we ought to pay a visit to the Greater Grail. The time may have come for me to face Lancer, but even if not I'd like to know what prompted this change of heart."let's hope we can convince the old man to tell some stories about the good ol times instead of him nuking us with divine gae bulge>>4370644just a hypothesis, couldn't Archer's Master be Assassin's Master?Both are Servants that in theory would consume a low amount of magical energy to keep since Independent Action and being the shittiest class, we talked to her first and she was clearly a magus, Sweets also did say that he had plans for her and we know Circe's word isn't the most trustworthy thing to go by, isn't it a possibility?
>>4370778he's a Lancer, he lacks luck by default, we have B-rank, we're fine
>>4370765Good point, but I still feel like he isn't going to just let us investigate the grail for sabotage without a fight though, otherwise why bother letting assassin through in the first place
>>4370794I would leave investigating the grail itself for later. This is mainly to gather info and dispel a bit of the mystery surrounding the final boss.
>>4370798It's fine by me but we can't wait too long, I recall it being mentioned before that he's worth like 3 servants, if that number is right then putting him off and dealing with too many others might not give us the opportunity.
>>4370816You might want to consult page 531 of the quest text and refresh your memory.
>>4370781The possibility does exist... but I find it highly unlikely.If she was Assassin's Master she would've teleported into the Greater Grail site, or been stopped by Odin when approaching it.I just don't see it being her, especially when she'd have needed to set up a summon the night she appeared and went to Yumigawa, and besides that Adelheid was hanging around the house all the time, so she would've seen if Assassin appeared.>>4370816No, Lily said he's worth at least 7 Servants.
>>4370820Thanks, couldn't find the exact passage and definitely wasn't going to anytime soon if it wasn't in the PDF, probably got his stats mixed with Gil's.Doesn't change the question on how we'll get around him to check the grail or before we end up filling it by killing the other three (assuming Circe and Matsuda count towards the total or that assassin's sabotage didn't drain off a 'charge' or two) but that's our job to figure out isn't it
>>4370130>[ ] "...I suppose there's little to be done with regards to your other Servants. Let's return to the house I've been using; at least there I have a lead on possibly locating my sister tomorrow."Why provoke lancer this instant, when we have much better things do?
>>4370844he's worth seven servants combined. Plus, I'm quite against the idea of just killing Circe.After all we've been through in Akeldama ending her here just feels very inappropriate, potentially alienating the circeheid fans(if they haven't already dropped out) . That being said, it is also obvious that a more permanent solution is needed...
>>4371002I think it's the perfect end for someone with two betrayals under their belt.
>>4372109You realize we betrayed her and not the other way around? She only wanted to non-lethally fight for dominance. Stupid, but definitely something you can expect from a yandere.We on the other hand overreacted massively which led to her now fighting us for real. Also let's not forget that we basically betrayed her by choosing Lily, way before she did all that.
>>4371002Frankly I'm going with what i think the best option is when the time comes up, I doubt players are going to vote for another slap on the wrist though, right now what i'm expecting will likely end up happening is either she dies or the bird gets mind broken.>>4372153>we basically betrayed her by choosing Lily,Circumstances separate you from a girl you were friends with but the two of you were never in a relationship, she makes no effort to contact you but still stalks you and considers it a betrayal when you meet someone else; now that brings back some bad memories.
>>4372153She immediately declined our offer for forgiveness, then went back on her own words and betrayed us again after we were successful in her one-sided game.If anything, we were too soft on her after her initial betrayal, and it led to the second betrayal.Circe had all the power to reach out to us at anytime before we assaulted her base.If she would consider us going after Lily as a betrayal then it would mostly be on her for failing to take the initiative, but it's not like Circe and Alberich had that much romantic chemistry in the first place for Alberich to feel like he would be betraying her by going after Lily.
>>4372191>Circumstances separate you from a girl you were friends with but the two of you were never in a relationship, she makes no effort to contact you but still stalks you and considers it a betrayal when you meet someone else; now that brings back some bad memories.Are you kidding? She thought she had us with her and helped 'us', we on the other hand did nothing at all to find her.>>4372195>She immediately declined our offer for forgiveness, then went back on her own words and betrayed us again after we were successful in her one-sided game.What offer for forgiveness? You can't just do the worst thing you can think of to someone and call that offering forgiveness. Heck, I even told people when they did that bullshit that this will force such a reaction.We literally gave her to Lily, someone we knew would mindrape her and then slept with Lily right after. What possibly could we have done that could ever top that betrayal?
>>4372205We gave her the ultimatum of joining us or dying.We instead spared her life after she refused.Anything after that is leniency compared to what we threatened doing to her.
>>4372212>Anything after that is leniency compared to what we threatened doing to her.You realize we did give her a fate worse than death instead, right?
>>4372216In what way?She wasn't dead or mindwiped, she still had plenty of freedom to accomplish any pursuit of hers.
The whole deal with Circe is what made me drop out of active participation in the first place, honestly. I'm still kind of interested in seeing where the plot of the grail goes, but the romantic resolution of this story truly disappointed me.I still feel cheated.I especially feel cheated that "anything you said to any other girls was only for the purposes of manipulation." Was an option for voting, considering the original intention everyone had behind interacting with Liliesviel was solely for the purpose of manipulating her.I say we should just kill her instead of keep her around any longer.I'll probably drop completely for part 3 though.I just don't see anything coming of Alberich's story after the grail war that I would consider interesting. Sorry Sweets, but my interest is already flagging in the character's journey.He's also really started to become the worst kind of edgy in my opinion. Edge is fine, but to me he's started to feel like the Try-hard Edgy so many Original Characters suffer from.Not quite Coldsteel the Hedgehog, but you could frame him in the same sort of light.
>>4372217Are you that clueless about yanderes? They place their love over their own life.We literally placed her under Lily, a rival who humiliated her, and massively worse. Fucked Alberich as if to destroy any hope for her.
>>4372217>plenty of freedomWhat freedom? Lily was ordering her around all the time and not only was she command sealed into being a maid. Even if she could actually act on her own Alberich would have called that breaking her punishment anyway and punished her for that. Hell, people even tried to blame her for not being more proactive when she literally can't be more proactive without breaking through command seals.
>>4372219I feel there's a meaningful difference between "anything you said to any of the other girls was only for the purposes of manipulation" and "Tell Liliesviel that anything you said to any of the other girls was only for the purposes of manipulation."Otherwise, if you're not enjoying it I won't blame you for leaving. I see your point of view, even. I've done the best I can, but writing a 'villain protagonist' sort of character without going overboard is difficult, and I'm sure there are lots of ways I could've done better.
>>4372205>She thought she had us with her and helped 'us', we on the other hand did nothing at all to find her.So she's not at fault because she mistook someone else for us but despite knowing where we were and made no effort to check with us to confirm, meanwhile we are at fault because we made no effort to find her despite having few leads and bigger problems in front of us?>>4372225And It's our duty to reciprocate everyone's feelings just because they feel strongly about us? Frankly the way you're trying to frame it makes it sound like Lily unambiguously kept Circe in spirit form and made her watch from the corner of the room to assert her dominance.
>>4372245>So she's not at fault because she mistook someone else for us but despite knowing where we were and made no effort to check with us to confirm, meanwhile we are at fault because we made no effort to find her despite having few leads and bigger problems in front of us?The other way around it is unfair for us to blame her for something we did too. Let's not forget you guys wanted to blame her for that.>And It's our duty to reciprocate everyone's feelings just because they feel strongly about us? Frankly the way you're trying to frame it makes it sound like Lily unambiguously kept Circe in spirit form and made her watch from the corner of the room to assert her dominance.If you actually love her which Alberich did, because fuck we wouldn't have made such a circus around her if he didn't then yes.Also you say that as if Lily didn't do that. You don't need to keep someone in spirit form to keep them impotent to change anything and Lily definitely did that. Or do you really believe Circe wouldn't have searched contact with Alberich if she actually could?Sadly seducing the love interest of you mistress is not very loyal behavior and guess what she was command sealed to be?
>>4372225Her temperament doesn't remove the mistakes she's made and the remedies for them.She got what she deserved, and it's looking like a further confrontation will only end with her erasure in some manner.>>4372228>>4372252It's not like the Command Seals are all powerful, her failure to protect Lily at the Manor when we know that was one of her direct orders is plenty proof of that, her subsequent failure to respond irregardless of how many Command Seals are used is further evidence Circe can ignore them to a degree.
>>4372253>Her temperament doesn't remove the mistakes she's made and the remedies for them.And our giving her a fate worse than death is somehow a sign of our great temper right?>It's not like the Command Seals are all powerful, her failure to protect Lily at the Manor when we know that was one of her direct orders is plenty proof of that, her subsequent failure to respond irregardless of how many Command Seals are used is further evidence Circe can ignore them to a degree.We didn't know that, so you really can't argue that way, as, as far as we knew, she was helpless.Also we still don't know why it failed, might just be that special circumstances allowed her to slip out. And at that point what reason does she have to be loyal anymore? We basically burned any bridges and salted the earth for good measure.
>>4372252Give it up, fellow Circefag.We lost to the Faker.>>4372245>So she's not at fault because she mistook someone else for usNot really. She took the more logical option, we were the ones who claimed amnesia in the first place.>made no effort to check with us to confirmRevealing your existence to a potential unaware enemy is stupid. Had it been the other way around and we were playing as human Yumigawa and Circe's theory was correct, people would've been livid at her doing that.
To be honest, if this were a novel, at this point I'd want to take a break from writing the continuing narrative to spend a long period of time rereading and rewriting. Tweaking the timeline, moving events around for better pacing, rewriting major scenes for better impact and characterization. There's a lot that I'm not satisfied with myself, and I'd like to improve, but with a quest you can't do that. It's first draft only with this, and that means mistakes stick around. My hat's off to the people who can consistently please an audience writing this way, but I don't seem to be one of them. I've mentioned this a time or two before when the subject of Alberich's character journey comes up in the thread. I have a mental image of him in Awakening Mirror as a sort of wanderer, a lost soul. Someone with very little authentic experience of life, cut adrift from the identity he thought he had, shoved out into existence by a largely passive parent and told to forge his own path with no real direction but the needs of survival. Someone who occupies a world filled with people he knows himself to be fundamentally different from and materially superior to, but subject to the same base passions and emotional urges that motivate them; though without the preparation to deal with them many have, as his artificial memories are of a life almost devoid of emotion. He's sort of an alien; maybe a psychopath; told he's a hero, and almost in the same breath that heroism doesn't require morality. It's just a measure of power. With all that contributing to his nature as a lost soul, feeding his greed, pride, passion and lack of empathy, he's trying to find a reason to justify the survival that he's unwilling to give up. He's partially found it in his feelings for Liliesviel, another engineered being with emotion and without humanity; partially in the desire to give full vent to the arrogance that's built up over his short life; partially in the desire to continue growing and seek ever-greater magical mastery. None of these is a total certainty of purpose, though, and he's still been alive for a very short time. He's still wandering, still immature, still fighting for survival. He's still seen very little of the world, really. There's still a great deal of self-discovery to be done after the War, if he survives. Problem is, I really don't think I've done a very good job of conveying that. For one thing it's an idea of character that's developed over the course of the quest. For another I'm inexperienced as a writer. Maybe it's just not a compelling character arc, but I'm more inclined to chalk it up to my own poor job of writing his mental state. Hence the desire for rewrites and improvement of skill. Really though, I think the best thing to be done is to try to write this story to its end as best I can and see if I can do better next time, taking the lessons of this quest to heart.
>>4372252Wait, since when was Alberich in love with Circe? He had more of a mentor-student type relationship, and he got creeped out by her the more dreams he had.I'd say she was more a friend than a romantic partner by the end of Akeldama.>>4372256>We didn't know therefore the argument doesn't hold.Hmmm?But didn't you just say that we can be held accountable for not looking for Circe when she had far more reason to look for us than the reverse?>>4372260Look, she took a gamble she didn't know she was taking and lost.Not every move has an obvious correct solution when you're working with limited information, but she had the capability to gather highly accurate information anytime she wanted.
>>4372263>but she had the capability to gather highly accurate information anytime she wanted.I assume she did do that.What, did you want her to throw herself at the 'amnesiac' murder machine Saber who by his own word didn't know who he was?Or to give up her strategic advantage by revealing her existence to a possible foe?It's not like she could scry on him at all times
>>4372260>Give it up, fellow Circefag.I already did. The only way this could actually work out would be using our curse on her and not being an absolute cunt to her. And at least the second people will absolutely fail at.At this point I can only hope people at least have the capacity not to completely fuck up our left relationships with everyone else because they can't deal with people having inconvenient feelings.>>4372263>But didn't you just say that we can be held accountable for not looking for Circe when she had far more reason to look for us than the reverse?She believed she already had us, there was no reason for her to search farther. And we did behave in a way similar to how we would have behaved if we were a power without the mind she loved behind it.She had less reason to search for us, we had too much to do. The only blame I give is for the act of trying to paint her in as bad a light as possible for making a mistake.
>>4372261>Someone who occupies a world filled with people he knows himself to be fundamentally different from and materially superior to, but subject to the same base passions and emotional urges that motivate them;This immediately fell apart the moment you introduced his 'siblings', by the way.
>>4372268There were several opportunities she had to discover our true nature, as we disclosed it several times, and during Akeldama we know she would spend hours scrying on her enemies, but she still didn't realize what we were?That says to me that she dismissed us after watching our date with Lily, and only checked in occasionally instead of gathering all the information she could about 'Yumigawa's power.'>>4372269She had plenty of reason to discover the capabilities of the power Yumigawa would inherit if her plans ever came to fruition.If she'd spent any significant amount of time watching us she'd have realized there was something off about us, and take our threat to her success seriously instead of creating an army that got wiped immediately.
>>4372261If you ever decided to do a rewrite after the quest concludes, where would you post it? I'd definitely be interested in giving it a read. You have a twitter right?
>>4372274>If she'd spent any significant amount of time watching us she'd have realized there was something off about us, and take our threat to her success seriously instead of creating an army that got wiped immediately.The vast majority of her army was sent after Odin, and it was enough that even Alberich was worried.
>>4372261Not being able to revise and rewrite is also a big advantage. Because most stories and quests die when doing that, they just become stagnant and die of during the attempt to reach perfection. And perfection is the enemy of good enough.The fact you have a different picture about who Alberich is than your readers is called death of the author and happens to every single piece of literature to some extent. It's also not just your idea of Alberich and the idea of the readers. We readers don't all have the same picture of Alberich either.There probably could be some things done better, that's always the case, but overall this is definitely one of the better quests. And complains just show it, the only quests that don't have readers complaining at some point are the ones where they don't care enough to complain.
>>4372261I think the reader dissatisfaction is just caused by the nature of the medium, and that people aren't really prepared for a villain protagonist as they thought themselves to be. The thing with quests is that only the majority vote matters, and QM has to fill in most of the details based on that. This is usually fine, but in a quest with a morally questionable cast, where people can get sensitive over the tiniest details, it's just difficult to have a coherent story without someone feeling that they just got railroaded. As you said, it's very easy for a villain protagonist to go overboard, but it is also impossible to consult the audience every time Alberich does anything.
>>4372274So basically you judge her on a lot of assumption and nothing more?Maybe she just had more problems this time around? Maybe she was trying to figure out how to return Yumigawa's power and that needed research? Maybe Odin and the elusive assassin kept her on her toes and she would rather keep her eyes on them? Or she was busy with creating her workshop, something she didn't do in Akeldama?
>>4372285Regardless the only thing we actually can be relatively sure of is that she didn't figure out who the real Yumigawa was, because we saw that she wouldn't support the false one at all.At best she can be blamed to be complacent of incompetent for not being able to figure it out earlier.
>>4372279I'm not sure if death of the author is the best term here, though. In my understanding, it's generally about differing opinions of existing narrative events, while here the story is still being written, the disagreement being more about where it should be headed.
>>4372289Sweets wanted his events in story to convey a certain meaning and we took a completely different one from it.I don't think there is a better term for it. That it has happened and still is, is not really against the definition of the term, I think?
>>4372273Want to go into more detail? My thinking is that they represent alternate potential paths he could've taken. Mindsets that incorporate certainty, but are limited. Matsuda simply gave in to despair and gave up on any kind of higher purpose, while Kōrakuhime is the total embracing of inhumanity and rejection of the former existence. They're both shaped by their basis to the same extent Alberich is, but all the same I feel they lend some depth to his quest to define himself.>>4372276I do have a twitter, there in the OP, and plan to keep the same name and twitter when I do the next quest, so the link to that will still be on the board for a while yet. I don't know whether or not I'll end up rewriting the quest down the line, or where I'd post it if I did, but if it happens I'll say something about it there.>>4372279Thanks for the reassurance, anon. I don't want to think more highly of this thing than it deserves, but I do always appreciate a kind word. I just hope my next offering can keep the disputes without losing readers in such numbers. There have definitely been plenty who dropped this one without caring enough to complain more than once.>>4372283I do agree with you to a certain degree. I'm never going to please everybody with a character like this, that's sure enough. But I also do feel that I've mishandled it in more than a few places. Ever since Akeldama the tone's been wandering all over the place between serious melodrama, bombastic anime-style cartoonishness, and attempts at humorous scenes, and I think that's had a somewhat negative impact on Alberich's characterization. Fate/Stay Night pulled that tonal variation off well, but I still have plenty of improving to do before I can make it work. A lot of it comes down to communication too. I think people wouldn't feel cheated or railroaded about the Liliesviel thing if I'd made it as clear that Alberich was beginning to fall for her as I thought I did while you still had the chance to back out of those feelings without too much emotional damage.
>>4372273>3 people out of billions is a world full of people who can really empathize with his experiences.And only 2 of them besides Alberich even made it out, and one of them made himself an enemy, so there's only one person that will fit that description left.>>4372277He was worried Odin wouldn't be able to get rid of all of them in time to spare Lily injury, not that he wouldn't be able to handle them without dying wasn't he?>>4372285If she wanted to actually perform research on how to return Yumigawa's power, the best way would be to have the power right in front of her, or to watch and see what it does to gain an accurate understanding of it's capabilities.Either of these would need her looking at us with a bit more scrutiny, I don't really think it's an assumption.Assassin kept giving negative results when she performed scrys on him, so any time she would look for him would be short.She would've spent much time looking at the other Masters and Servants, but given how closely related we would've been to what must've been a secondary or primary goal of hers is a very lazy attitude.Honestly, I think she was repressing our existence and any thoughts that we could actually be Yumigawa out of fear of it being true.
As for the Circe situation, I feel it is most appropriate to reach a compromise here, rather straight-off forgiving her or killing her. The problem with Circe is that you can't win her loyalty through punishment. Yet I feel a sizeable amount of readers are still attached to her, including myself, and killing her just leaves a bad taste narrative-wise. The best solution, I feel, is that we bind her to our loyalty again through absorption magic, like what we did with Medusa. Circe shouldn't be punished. Instead, she should be given therapy to cure her of her pride and hate towards us (though imho they are quite justified). This makes sense in character, too: for is it not the role of the peerless monarch, to carry out the best interests of their subjects, even when they themselves are blinded by hate and needless urges?
>>4372292>My thinking is that they represent alternate potential paths he could've taken. >Kōrakuhime is the total embracing of inhumanity and rejection of the former existence.Alberich and Korakuhime are basically the exact same in that regard now.Hell, Alberich even had his own house magically nuked when he still thought 'his' parents were alive and well in there.In fact, ever since the activation of Bloodfort, you could argue he's actually more inhuman than his sister.I won't lie, you more than mishandled the activation of Bloodfort and the subsequent events.
>>4372293>If she wanted to actually perform research on how to return Yumigawa's power, the best way would be to have the power right in front of her, or to watch and see what it does to gain an accurate understanding of it's capabilities.We really don't have the experience of a master witch/goddess to make any real statements about how she would go about doing such a thing.For all we know she was arrogant and assumed shit, skipping the closer research step and beginning with preparations immediately.And who the fuck knows if Yumigawa didn't manipulate her to not look too close. He had a vested interest in making sure she wouldn't leave him behind and I'm pretty sure he at least had a hunch about it.>Assassin kept giving negative results when she performed scrys on him, so any time she would look for him would be short.Or she tried different methods to circumvent his stealth. That would take quite some time. Really if I failed at it and had any confidence in my ability at all then I definitely would try to break it by trying out different things.Heck fear of the guy who doesn't remember her at all being the right one might also be a reason.
>>4372301>I won't lie, you more than mishandled the activation of Bloodfort and the subsequent events.In which way, because I can't really say I found it mishandled?
>>4372303The fact that Alberich just went full EVUL with the activation of it because it was more convenient despite having been asked not to activate it by the few people who may have had a way (and did have a way apparently) to heal him without mass murder.Then Shirou and company still deciding to confront a guy with multiple allied servants who would now be fully healed. A confrontation that could reasonably only lead to a battle to the death. They had a firm grip on the idiot ball there.Then there was the fact characters kept realizing that they didn't actually want people to die moments after their death.Or even Heilig suddenly deciding it works differently to how it has always been described to work.Overall, a very unsatisfying conclusion to something I was actually looking forward to.
>>4372261Wish I could write something like what everyone else is but getting late for me and words not lining up the way i'd like, just going to agree with both of these>>4372276>>4372279Could things have been handled better, definitely but you can only work with what you think is the best you can at the time otherwise you'll just end up spinning gears chasing perfection, just hope no mater what happens or what people may say you won't give up on things and keep trying to improve your work.>>4372299If it goes up to a vote you'll have mine, despite how I may have sounded like earlier i'm less looking to kill her and more resigned it'll likely happen if we can't control her/prevent another betrayal.>>4372302>who the fuck knows if Yumigawa didn't manipulate her to not look too closeHonestly, going by his behavior I think it's more than likely he did, while everyone else could dismiss it as a dream he got living proof dropped in his lap and once he did, even if he was aware of the situation, like hell was he going to give it up and go back to a normal life, I also think its more than likely he's currently being led into a sealing designation; despite spending a week together and being a former goddess of magic, Circe couldn't find a trace of our magical potential in him and had to rely on the leylines while Luvia can supposedly find some after taking one look at him? I feel he's more than likely going to end up getting interrogated or dissected over this 'resonance' before we ever see him again.Aside from that i'm not really up to making much speculation on what was going on from Circe's PoV because before she attacked the Einzbern tower and sent Odysseus after the church we really had nothing to go on, a hint at what she was currently up to, or if she was even in the same country and had bigger things to focus on while assuming she could handle herself.
>>4372292I actually felt that to be more of the anons' responsibility. I caught up with the quest just a few days ago. And I feel like in awakening mirror people often just vote for things without thinking about long-term consequences, just because it's supposedly "in-character" or for the lulz, causing character development to stagnate and idiotically intensifying future conflicts. I actually feel you handled the quest quite well, with enjoyable writing and interesting characters far from being generic, as some accused. What you have been consistently doing is giving honest portrayals of the consequences Alberich's actions have caused. What happens when you make a psychopathic, lolicon, Meursault-like character all pride and a bit of compassion? Of course he's gonna fall in love with Lily after that park scene, who shares that feeling of being a stranger with him. Of course he's gonna be seriously offended by Circe's playfulness when he offers her to join him again. Of course giving Circe to Lily is just gonna set up her betrayal later on. Of course he would turn against the Emiya family and then kill them without remorse. All these events just made so much narrative sense that I cannot fathom why anyone felt they were being railroaded. Actions have consequences, and stakes are pretty high when we have a villain protagonist since one cannot just back out an action they don't like.
>>4372318>The fact that Alberich just went full EVUL with the activation of it because it was more convenient despite having been asked not to activate it by the few people who may have had a way (and did have a way apparently) to heal him without mass murder.They literally talked about how to also make it impossible for him to win the grail war through that method. It wouldn't have been acceptable either way. It just skipped ahead a bit, but the outcome would have been the same.>Then Shirou and company still deciding to confront a guy with multiple allied servants who would now be fully healed. A confrontation that could reasonably only lead to a battle to the death. They had a firm grip on the idiot ball there.I suppose it is a matter of view I think. I'm fully capable of believing Shirou is naive enough to believe we wouldn't attack. He always wants to believe the best.>Then there was the fact characters kept realizing that they didn't actually want people to die moments after their death.Could probably have been handled better, but I think it is a rather minor thing.>Or even Heilig suddenly deciding it works differently to how it has always been described to work.How did it work differently? It always displaced stuff. We just never powered it up that much that survival was an option. It doesn't really matter for this quest either. Sakura getting back in any timely manner is hilarious unlikely.
>>4372336You just caught up on the quest a few days ago! You voted! You're enjoying it! Anon, you don't know how happy that makes me.By the way, I expect to be able to start writing tonight's update in about 2 hours, and hopefully have it done by midnight.
>>4372318I'll probably have a stronger opinion about the Bloodfort Andromeda scene in a month or two, and have decided by then whether or how it could've been better. For now I won't argue the point. One thing I will say is that my single biggest regret in the quest is including Shirou's family. Some great plot elements have come out of them being here, but overall I think it was a misstep with long consequences.
>>4372318I see where you are coming from but in Alberich's perspective... what's wrong with preferring convenience? Even if Emiya did find him a cure , it's unlikely to be better than bloodfort, adding on to the fact that such a cure is improbable in the first place. On the other hand, activating bloodfort just kills off a bunch of people he doesn't care about, and the ire of the Emiyas, as seen in the story, can be easily dealt with. If I were a psychopath, I would feel that the activation seems perfectly reasonable.
>>4372339>I'm fully capable of believing Shirou is naive enough to believe we wouldn't attack. He always wants to believe the best.Rin was there and would never have allowed him to do something like that. Even Shirou isn't that naive anyway. Especially not HF Shirou. Fate Shirou, sure. UBW Shirou, maybe. >but I think it is a rather minor thing.Not really. It felt horribly idiotic and completely ruined the battle for me.I wanted to defeat Shirou properly but instead we got plot armor and PIS all over the place.>How did it work differently? It fires a rift that should've been no greater than the thickness of the blade.Though now it can just work differently because plot armor.
Well oh dear oh dear.I did catch up, by the way,
>>4372353I was wondering.
>>4372353>It fires a rift that should've been no greater than the thickness of the blade.We never really powered it up. Rift slashes were always a fast and deadly thing, not something we put more power in than the minimum normally.>Though now it can just work differently because plot armor.Shirou always had plot armor. That was the reason we tied the first time we fought.Both have plot armor and can't lose.
>>4372353The miracle that creates the blade's edge is its ability to manifest and sustain a portal. In the past, you've extended that portal along one axis (length) and launched it. This time you finally experimented with more axes, something I expected you'd get to a long time earlier. I wrote it that way because anons were saying they wanted to use an attack that would wipe Sakura out completely. I can understand some confusion. The powers of Heiligöffnungschwert have always been mysterious. For the record, though, this was always an ability you had, so long as you applied enough energy to it. As I recall, some people were debating trying the same thing during the Berserker fight, but decided against it on the basis that his soul would be useless if he were dropped into the Realm of Imaginary Numbers.
>>4372363Well, sure cards out on the table.I do enjoy your quest, Sweets. And you are still the person who inspired me to start writing my own quest.But yes I don't know if I'll read a part 3 of Alberich's journey. I might, but I really only just caught up, and I was kind of heart-broken to see what happened to Shirou and his family.Please don't think I hate your quest because I have criticism. I genuinely do enjoy how you write your characters and the war has actually been incredibly interesting.
>>4372318We voted to use Bloodfort. That's the main reason we lolified Medusa. If you don't like what happened that's fair but don't act like it's just poor writing or railroading.
>>4372390I know there was a vote for it.A vote that I missed.Maybe I'm mad I just didn't have the ability to have my say in the matter.But then again that's just what happens when you fall behind on a quest.
>>4372353>Rin was there and would never have allowed him to do something like that.Yeah, I also had some trouble with that part. In hindsight, it seemed very strange that Emiya would immediately choose to confront Alberich, rather than making extensive preparations.>Not really. It felt horribly idiotic and completely ruined the battle for me.I actually found the characters realizing they don't want someone to die part quite realistic. I always knew my grandparents would die eventually, yet don't feel the emotional impact until...they actually die. That being said, I was also looking forward to Alberich vs UBW, a shame that it didn't occur.By the way, Whatis, when's the update for your quest? looking forward to that one too :)
>>4372395>I always knew my grandparents would die eventually, yet don't feel the emotional impact until...they actually dieI think the big difference here is that when you say something like "battling with cancer", cancer isn't a physical foe actually trying to murder them before your very eyes.Then again, battles with multiple opponents with distinct abilities that require narrative focus are INCREDIBLY difficult to handle in a written form with no visual aid, so I can understand the logic behind it.Still wasn't the compelling battle I was expecting from Shirou. Instead the battle against both him and Sakura felt anti-climactic and far too short.To me, at least.But that's just my opinion.Comparing the length of the time we spent fighting Shirou and Sakura compared to say... Matsuda's first encounter just makes it feel like it was too easy.
>>4372418Fighting servants is harder than fighting Shirou and Sakura. Shirou has skills and could've beaten us if our armor wasn't impervious to his attack. But our physical stats and our NPs are powerful because we've upgraded them. We beat Sakura quickly because that was the only chance we had to survive a fight with her and we used our resources intelligently. In a straight magic fight, it would've been long and drawn out and we could have easily lost. Both of the victories were earned and made sense based upon our skills and decisions.
>>4372318Others already said better but my thoughts on, Anons have been saying for weeks after almost every update 'don't care, use Andromeda' and nearly every player in full agreement on using it for months so I can't really fault Sweets for skipping to it, whrn Shirou left we had empty assurances and no leads to find a way as reasons not to use and aside from 'it's Shirou asking us nicely not to do it' wouldn't have changed many minds only plans people could think they could have would've been to offer us Sakura, something players were skeevy about linking us to. The blood fort was a neighborhood wide and traps inside once activated, considering how quickly they arrived after they were already in when it went up and had nowhere left to go but to us and negotiations seemed to be more than dead before we started, what happened was a tragedy but stemmed more from characters with too different outlooks as well as anons being too polarized to properly work out a solution between 'kill them now or ask him nicely to ignore the mass murder, maybe he'll go away'
>>4372432>nowhere left to go but to usBut Rin escaped and could've taken everyone with her.And Shirou could've simply used Unlimited Blade Works to have everyone survive by hiding inside of it until Bloodfort ended instead of going to confront certain death
>>4372444Shirou could have, assuming he didn't still think they could talk us down all the people died or that he could accept the deaths of thousands of people to save their own skin or the time to think rationally after Alberich betrayed his trust when a block or two away from the source. Rin could have, if she could also force a transport for herself and two other unwilling magiLooking back on it I feel it likely that Shirou's plan was likely to tie us in to Sakura, why else bring her along if she wasn't planning on fighting, was outraged we chose to use it but might've still tried to reason us into if only to save those left alive if anons gave a chance to talk, but honestly only Sweets can say for certain.
>>4372373I can tell the difference between honest criticism and the people who just come in here to call me a hack because they prefer your quest or some other one. I don't imagine you hate my quest just because you're broken up over the thing with Shirou, and like I said up above I won't hold it against you if you don't follow Inverse Moon. I do hope you and any other player losing interest in Alberich's journey finds something more to enjoy as things go on, of course, but it is what it is.>>4372418At this point, I feel Matsuda's first encounter was too drawn out. That was when I was still a lot more optimistic about the frequency of my updates, and wanted to have every battle be a succession of choices with possible Dead Ends, with that 'puzzle-battle' system replacing dice. It's something you'll notice I've cooled on as I've found it harder and harder to update frequently.
>>4372444They probably were under the impression that Alberich would lose to Shirou in a fight, given that he did so before, and that in the worst case scenario of Rider or Saber fighting them they could just Rule Breaker and link them to Sakura.He was also on the losing side for a majority of the fight until he decided to tank Shirou's hits, and immediately ended the fight right afterwards.After that, Rin, who knew about Sakura's battle potential, most likely thought that she would just deal with us the same way she dealt with the Servants of the 5th war, and was very surprised when we won the fight.Further, she needed to get a gem out to perform her magic, and should've been restrained by Cybele, then chains, but when Medusa attacked Alberich she was loose long enough to actually activate her dimensional rift.All-in-all, I don't see a result where Alberich activates Bloodfort and the ensuing confrontation doesn't end up in a bloodbath for either side, since neither Shirou nor Rin want that many innocents to die, and they were under the impression that their victory was assured based on their previous hostile encounter with him.
>>4372344This is terrible. I need to stop trying to update at night. Really don't get how I was able to write so much of Fate/City Akeldama in the small hours of the morning.Anyway I'll pick this back up at 5:00. Sorry, folks! I'll get it done as soon as I can.
"We ought to pay a visit to the Greater Grail," you decide. "The time may have come for me to face Lancer, but even if not I'd like to know what prompted this change of heart." Indeed, it seems quite strange of him to have suddenly grown fed up with Liliesviel's company. Certainly you marked his disdain for modern humanity, and to a certain extent for the company of Servants as well, but to have abandoned the girl he had until now guarded well seems like too extreme a shift to be explained so simply. Does he have no goal for the Holy Grail at all, and consequently care nothing for Liliesviel's safety? He can't have left because he had perfect confidence in your ability to protect her; not while you were lying unconscious as a result of a seemingly failed attempt at mind control. The move is enigmatic, and you can't leave it alone."It may have come?" Adelheid shoots you a questioning look as she echoes your words. "This is your greatest enemy in the War you speak of, isn't it? What can you do there but put an end to it by force, if he's declared he's waiting for challengers? Take it from me, one shouldn't approach a fight when as uncertain of the outcome as you sound.""While your advice is appreciated," you begin, casting a perhaps slightly patronizing smile on Adelheid, "my aim isn't to punish Lancer, much as I might like to humor Liliesviel's wish. He is almost certainly the most potent user of magic in the world at the moment, and if he's decided to wait for challengers while seated on the mystic code that makes all this worthwhile, I'd like to know what his intentions are.""Oh, really?" Adelheid answers you with bitter sarcasm, her eyes sparkling contemptuously. "Suppose he informs you he's hard at work dismantling the whole thing, and if he isn't stopped we'll all fade away? Suppose he has no intentions at all toward the Grail and only felt it was an appropriate place to meet for battle? In either case, and far more besides, you'll get nothing from the trip but a momentary satisfaction and the reaffirmed knowledge that you have no choice but to defeat him to survive. You'll have wasted your time, a precious commodity in war, for useless information.""Until the manor was attacked, Lancer played the part of a loyal Servant for Liliesviel tolerably well, though he had his limits and his impertinent ways. Suddenly, he decided to abandon her and retreat into solitude at the Greater Grail. That is all that's necessary to make the matter worth investigation, and it outweighs any loss of time," you flatly declare, keeping your voice low and threatening, the anger you feel evident without being overblown. "In addition, there is the question of his intentions regarding the Grail, about which I imagined you might find my interest more understandable. I've taken your opinion into consideration on this matter, but I'll hear no more disagreement. Do you understand?" It's a question that permits only one answer.
"I most certainly understand," Adelheid still answers, her tone still mocking you with its sarcastic parody of deference. "My old self overruled advisors' views often enough, and just as unilaterally. I only hope it goes as well for you." Smirking, she rises to her feet and adds, "Let's waste no more time than we need to, though. If you're committed to this, we should go to it immediately.""In that at least we agree," you can admit, nodding and getting to your own feet. "Come, Liliesviel; Stachel." You nod to the maid as an afterthought to asking Liliesviel to follow, dismissing her from your thoughts at almost the same moment you acknowledge her presence. "Maybe if things go very well, you'll get your wish and I really will be able to administer punishment to that fellow for all the insolence he's shown you," you add to Liliesviel, smiling and speaking cheerfully in an attempt to mollify the girl.At first, it seems to work. Liliesviel appears to contemplate the notion cheerfully as she chirps, "That's right!" Almost the moment the possibility of having her satisfaction is dangled in front of her, though, she seems to think better of it, for her expression darkens with worry and she quickly amends, "Do be careful though, Alberich. Don't fight Otto unless you're really certain you can beat him perfectly, okay? I couldn't bear seeing him hurt you.""Don't worry about me, Liliesviel," you answer, laying a reassuring hand on her shoulder. "I'll take all precautions." Then, sweeping her up into your arms to cradle the girl with one arm under her thighs and the other under her shoulders, you set off over the rooftops toward the former site of the Einzbern Tower, moderating your pace just enough to allow Stachel to keep up with you and Adelheid. The trip is one made largely in silence, the only sound being the impact of your boots on rooftops. Adelheid has already sufficiently alienated herself from both Liliesviel and her maid not to want to make conversation with either, and doesn't seem to have anything to say to you either. Liliesviel is evidently content to rest in your arms, her own around your neck, looking silently up into your face as you leap from building to building. Perhaps, you think, she fears that further words after your earlier discussion may cause a distance between you, and it's best for the moment to enjoy the physical togetherness without verbal communication; or perhaps that's only a projection of your own feelings onto her. Stachel, of course, keeps her lips as sealed as at any other time she doesn't feel her duty to requires her to speak.
As you approach the empty lot where the Einzbern Tower formerly stood, you can see even from a distance that a change has come over the place of piled ruins. When you alight in the lot, where you should be obliged to find a foothold amidst broken shards of concrete, glass, and steel, the change is obvious enough that no-one could possibly miss it. You drop, instead, to land on the smooth, exposed foundation of the vanished building. All the wreckage has been cleared away, save for that portion of it which has been reshaped, obviously by magic, into a singularly strange round building raised over the spot you recognize as that from which a spiral staircase descends into the earth to approach the Greater Grail. The building is of an architectural style you can't place. It's round, constructed of enormous blocks of carved concrete which, from a distance, could easily be mistaken for quarried stone. The surfaces of these tools for a colossal mason are covered with intricate carvings and friezes of a uniformly Nordic style, but the actual shape of the walls, buttresses, doors, and windows appears reminiscent of medieval settlements, not the constructions of the vikings. Fragments of glass from the broken tower have been remade into high, small windows set in arches at regular intervals around the ring of the building's outer wall, and steel has been repurposed into a pair of wide, polished double doors that remind you inexplicably of the flat of a sword. Overall, the thing seems like a bizarre cross between Stonehenge, a viking longship, and a Gothic cathedral erected in strange miniature, though its roof is in a dome rather than peaked as one might expect from Gothic design. Miniature, indeed, for the whole building is only just large enough to enclose the spiral staircase over which it's been raised. Still, from the imposing style and ostentatious decoration it's plain that Odin wants those who draw near him to be fully aware of the dramatic step they're taking. "So," you murmur as you examine the structure, "Lancer's built himself a new front door. That certainly lends credence to the idea he plans to stay down there indefinitely." As you speak, having ascertained that there are no jagged fragments of rubble left to menace your beloved's feet, you set Liliesviel down to stand on her own and look the thing over for herself."It isn't very pretty," Liliesviel remarks dismissively, with a slight air of disappointment. "I thought Otto had finer taste, but this is much uglier than our castle at home. It's really rather barbaric.""In the days when he was worshiped openly our people were known for strength, not finery," Adelheid proclaims, casting an appreciative eye on the structure. "It is antiquated, but all the same I rather approve. It only lacks scale to make it truly imposing."
"It's imposing enough, when one knows what's beneath it," you note. "This wasn't built for the benefit of the ordinary, but for us." As you say this, you approach the building, climbing the short steps and laying a hand on the doors as you continue, "What a sense of drama he has. I wonder if he's added statues of himself to the stairwell to drive the point home all the more.""I hadn't thought to go that far, no," answers a deep voice, rolling out of the night air and arresting your progress before you've opened the door. "One usually leaves the statue-making to others," the voice of Odin continues, in a tone of good humor. "The self-made variety is often too flattering to be worth the viewing.""What are you speaking to us out here for, Lancer?" you demand. "If you're waiting down there, here I am. Wait a while longer, and we'll speak face-to-face when I've arrived.""I'm giving you a warning, my boy," Odin's voice answers, still somewhat friendly, but now with a cold tone of threat underlying. "I want to be certain you're quite ready to open those doors. Once you step through them, there will be no returning without killing me. Answer quick, my boy. Are you ready to face me, or have you come for some other reason?">[ ] "I am ready, Odin. It's time to put an end to this War." >[ ] "I came to speak to you, no more. If the only way you'll accept that is to speak out here, I suppose that's what we'll do." (Write in what else you'd like to say to him.)>[ ] Attempt to convince Odin to let you in to speak to him in the chamber of the Greater Grail. (How?)>[ ] Reply in another way. (Write in)
>>4373467>[ ] "I came to speak to you, no more. If the only way you'll accept that is to speak out here, I suppose that's what we'll do." ('What do you want, Odin? What is the reason you truly answered the call of the Einzbern? It couldn't have solely been boredom, and I don't believe you would've betrayed Liliesviel on a whim either. Or are you going to tell me that a God of Wisdom is merely acting on a lust for battle like some brigand?")
>>4373467This anon >>4373578 sounds like he knows what he's talking about. Support.
>>4373467>>4373578+1This puts my thoughts to words more eloquently than I was putting them
>>4373467>>4373578I trust in this anon
"I came to speak to you, no more. If the only way you'll accept that is to speak out here, I suppose that's what we'll do," you say, giving voice to the decision that, in your heart, you made the moment Liliesviel begged you to be careful. You aren't so blinded by pride as not to realize what a chancy business it would be to face Odin in battle on his own terms, with your present abilities. The best you can say of such a battle is that the outcome would be highly uncertain. The worst, whispered by that slightly craven part of your mind which always counsels caution and never wishes to strike without overwhelming force, is that you would be crushed by the same overwhelming power the summoned God has shown whenever he's previously been called to demonstrate his abilities. This course of events, though, you do your best to push from your mind; it's surely far too pessimistic, overestimating your enemy's abilities and underestimating your own. Still it lingers there, at the back of your mind, a caution against raising your sword to this being."Then stop wasting your breath and go! Attend to the enemies you have the courage for!" Odin's voice thunders, real anger in his tone as well as an overbearing contempt. "Have you no ears, boy? I told the girl, and she relaid the information to you, that I'd grown tired of your society; the lot of you, not only her! Yet you, mustering up the wisdom of your few days' existence, come to speak. What have we to discuss but more idle blather? Come back me when you've prepared yourself to behave as a man and step through those doors, rather than idling there to make petitions of your enemy!" The words from Odin strike you like a cuff across the face. He's always been a mocking sort, but this is quite beyond the pale; utter insult and rejection without reserve. Still, you master your anger even as you begin to reach for the door. If you rush in there, you can't be sure of what will be the outcome; you can only respond in kind."What do you want, Odin?" you snap, your tone now as hostile as his. "Just what truly is the reason you answered the call of the Einzbern? Not to dawdle about Tokyo entertaining yourself with the sights, nor to rest in a cave, surely. It couldn't have solely been boredom, and can a God have betrayed Liliesviel on a whim? Is the God of Wisdom merely acting out of a lust for battle, like some brigand?"
"Hah!" A sharp laugh cracks out from the disembodied voice, followed by a rolling burst of it that echoes around the empty lot like localized staccato thunder. "Open your eyes, boy! You advertise your own ignorance, and in the same breath accuse me of disgracing my wisdom? It's quite something to hear, issued in such a confident tone. Go on, begone with you. You've heard enough to learn, if you have any wisdom of your own. Find the answer yourself, and it could be by the time you've made yourself ready to face me you'll be able to deliver my motives to me as proudly as that question. Until then, I am under no obligation to explain myself to you. If you lack the courage to step through those doors, go!" This last word seems to carry an almost physical force, and it's only with a minor effort of strength that you're able to keep your position rather than involuntarily backing down the steps. Instead you wait a few moments, you hand still arrested in its first attempt to open the steel door on your right, to see whether or not Odin will speak again. At length, though, as the silence stretches on, you conclude that this is all you'll get from him. You turn on your heel and, dignity intact, descend the steps with all composure to return to your comrades."I suppose you all heard him," you begin, looking over the trio as you speak. Each, save the expressionless maid, still looks as startled by Odin's transformation of demeanor as you felt while speaking with him. "It seems I've been rebuffed. I'll get no explanation but what he gave you, Liliesviel.""Yes," Liliesviel and Adelheid reply in unconscious unison, then shoot each other a pair of antagonizing looks from the corners of their eyes, but Stachel makes no sound of response. As Adelheid attempts to regain her dignity by clearing her throat, Liliesviel takes the initiative, continuing with a dismayed expression, "Will you need to grow stronger before you can punish him, then? To find that girl, your Master?""Indeed I must," you answer, nodding gravely. "To face such an enemy without being certain of victory would be foolishness. I must grow absolutely as powerful as I can before attempting to put an end to your Servant. Unfortunately I have no idea where Ayaka might be at the moment, or in what condition. Tonight, we'll have to...">[ ] "...return to the house I've been staying at. Tomorrow we'll begin the search for my sister, and with any luck she can direct us to Ayaka.">[ ] "...make an attempt at capturing Assassin. I may not be able to empower myself by killing him without Ayaka, but I won't let him flee with impunity.">[ ] Do something else. (Write in)
Not much in tonight's update, sorry. I should be able to write another update tomorrow, though.
>>4375762>[ ] "...return to the house I've been staying at. Tomorrow we'll begin the search for my sister, and with any luck she can direct us to Ayaka."
>>4375762>[X] "...return to the house I've been staying at. Tomorrow we'll begin the search for my sister, and with any luck she can direct us to Ayaka."
>>4375762>>[ ] "...return to the house I've been staying at. Tomorrow we'll begin the search for my sister, and with any luck she can direct us to Ayaka."The idea's good, but by now assassin's long gone, time better spent either regrouping or dealing with enemies we know we can find.
Still working on the update, unfortunately. It'll be on the longer side, but not finished tonight.
..return to the house I've been staying at," you finish. "Tomorrow we'll begin the search for my sister, and with any luck she can direct us to Ayaka." With a smile to Liliesviel, you add, "I'm afraid you won't find it quite up to our standard of living, but the place is at least not a step down from that apartment you were waiting for me in.""It's fine," Liliesviel replies. "As long as I'm with you, I won't mind if we have no choice but to live like commoners for a little while." It's a surprisingly magnanimous statement from the girl, usually so ready with an endless supply of demands to put on her surroundings and attendants; you can see she's only putting on a strong front, though, from the way her lip quivered at the news you'd found no place better to offer her than an ordinary home. The sight almost draws a burst of unkind laughter from you, but you restrain your sudden mirth; she is trying, in her way, to make a kind gesture after all."You see?" Adelheid asks, finally finding the moment to steer the conversation back in her direction. "I told you this trip would be wasted. You don't have the strength yet to crush one you know is an enemy, so why face him here? What did you think you were going to get out of him but what you did?""Oh, don't you start in with this," you sigh, exasperatedly waving a hand as if to dispel her unpleasant words like a bothersome fly. "Obviously I didn't get what I hoped for from Lancer, and he's berated me enough for thinking to ask already. Must you do the same?""I'm trying to help you," she answers, grating frustration in her tone. "I want to ensure you listen to my advice in the future; your only stroke of luck here is that he didn't pull you in by force and make you fight him anyway, since you'd come all this way for a purpose he holds in such contempt. You may be powerful and intelligent, but you're also young and inexperienced; you make mistakes. Don't let your pride be so great you can't listen when someone warns you of one.""I appreciate your intentions," you reply, cold politeness holding back a black, indignant rage at such casting of a spotlight on your flaws, "and thank you for them. I would be more inclined to take your advice, however, were it not soured by your disrespectful manner. Liliesviel, let's go." With that you sweep your beloved up into your arms and without so much as a backward glance, lest it carry such an expression of rage as to further harm your relationship with Adelheid, leap back up to the neighboring roof to begin the trip back to the Koyama residence. Even with fury at your stung pride still high, you recognize the importance of being able to go on making use of the Servant; best to leave one sentence rebuked with another, and carry the argument no further than that.
The way back is not so silent, you find, as the journey from Liliesviel's temporary home to the Greater Grail was. Although Stachel and Adelheid remain silent throughout the trip, Liliesviel pours her questions about your time away from her into your ear all the time: what you think happened to make you unconscious, how you fared after the explosion, how you recovered from your battle with Matsuda... she's ravenous for every detail of your time apart, and each answer prompts new questions. You tell the story of your time on the Shapeless Isle and subsequent days recovering from your battle with Matsuda with relative completeness, excising only the topic of any desire you felt for other women during your time apart from the story, and by the time you've caught her completely up to speed on your actions, you've nearly returned to the Koyama residence. As you tell your tale, Liliesviel for her part applauds your successes, praises your decisions, and commiserates with your setbacks with such consistency that after the criticism you've received from so many sources it feels almost unnatural or feigned; but no, you think, it can only be the strength of her feelings for you and the compatibility of your characters which motivates her. In one detail only does she present any negative view of your actions. "It's such a shame you fought the Emiyas by yourself, Alberich," she says, once you've finished narrating your defeat of Shirou and his wife. "Wouldn't it have been wonderful to face them together, and not have to end things so quickly? Emiya should've suffered worse for the way he hurt you," she croons, snuggling up to your chest and tracing with a finger the area most heavily damaged by his explosive projectile. Even with that memory of the pain and humiliation he caused you in your mind, though, you find yourself unable to drive away the other memory, of the way Emiya believed you, welcomed you into his home, and was ready to help you as long as he didn't believe that help would conflict with his goals. He may have been your enemy, but he's not one you would have chosen to make so. He had to be dealt with, and you don't regret it, but neither to you find yourself able to share Liliesviel's feeling of wishing to have inflicted more pain on the man. Instead, you shift the topic to the last portion of your story, how you found her.
Finally you arrive at the Koyama residence, where Arturia wordlessly opens the door at your arrival and conducts you inside. At no point does she meet your eyes, but neither does her face bear any of its usual unpleasant expressions. It's a perfect blank, bereft of any emotion that might offend, just according to your order. What torments of emotional frustration must be going on behind that mask of neutrality, you don't care to consider. Arturia, as you see it, has earned the harsh treatment you now give her, and will have no further chances for forgiveness. Further inside, you find Medusa and her sisters all reclining on the living room couch together, having evidently fallen asleep while in a posture of mutual embrace. Medusa, you surmise, must have been seeking comfort from her sisters regarding the loss of her adoptive family and, in an unusual change for the abusive pair, actually received it. Sleeping tranquilly there, their arms wrapped around one another in a posture of perfect kindness and harmony, with their matching clothing, hair, and features lending an element of surrealism to the ensemble, the three make a rather beautiful picture. "So that's Rider, and the two girls you took out of her mind," Liliesviel murmurs, looking at the three with wide-eyed interest. "How fascinating." The thought occurs to you that now might be a good time to introduce her to your newest subordinates, so as not to be called to devote any additional time to it in the morning. It might also be wise, it occurs to you, to call Kikuko now and have her set up the meeting with her possible, though possibly false, Kōrakuhime, as presumably an earlier contact would result in less wasted time before you can meet her candidate in person. It is quite late by now, but given the enchantment on her mind Kikuko will surely answer a call from you at any time of day or night.Choose one from each>[ ] Wake Medusa and her sisters up to introduce them to Liliesviel.>[ ] Leave the matter to the morning.>[ ] Do something else about getting them acquainted. (Write in)>[ ] Call Kikuko immediately despite the time.>[ ] Call Kikuko when you wake up tomorrow.>[ ] See if you can track down her online Kōrakuhime yourself and make contact that way.>[ ] Come up with some other plan to find your sister. (Write in)
>>4378532>[X] Leave the matter to the morning.>[X] Call Kikuko immediately despite the time.
>>4378532>>[ ] Leave the matter to the morning.>>[ ] Call Kikuko immediately despite the time
This quest is really dead now.
>>4378532>[ ] Leave the matter to the morning.>[ ] Call Kikuko immediately despite the time.>>4379103>1 post by this IDWhy do you keep doing this?
>>[ ] Leave the matter to the morning.>>[ ] Call Kikuko immediately despite the time
>>4378532>[ ] Leave the matter to the morning.>[ ] Call Kikuko immediately despite the time.
Huh. Unanimous again. I have to say I'm surprised nobody went for the option to try getting in touch with your possible sister online, now that you know what her tmitter account is called.
>>4379627To be honest I'm not super concerned about her. I wasn't ever a fan.
>>4379640Hmm. Interesting. I suppose I should've put the write-in for the second choice as just a general "do something else," so people wanting to look for another member of your group could put down their plan. Ah, well. I'm writing the update now, at any rate.
>>4379627With her human self the most likely author of the identity, I understood the chance of that working out to be remote.
>>4379651So your thinking with calling Kikuko was to hope she's found a different version of Kōrakuhime, I take it? As it is, the reason you're calling Kikuko is to have her set up a meeting with that same person since she's your only lead.
>>4379648In the endgame of the war her combat skills are pretty useless and we have no safe haven to set her up for non-combat related things so I don't really see the point
>>4379640Same, she's just too evil for no actual reason at all to be to my liking.I prefer my evil characters with some motivating factor behind them that made them the way they are.There was never any real indication that Ogawara was evil aligned at all, so Kourakuhime just kind of came out of nowhere.Though to be honest, I might also hate the world if I knew I was just the fantasy of some creepy otaku given form.>>4379662Yeah this too, she's hardly a powerhouse or relevant to us at all anymore. Her only use is in scrying, which we would only be able to find Harris with anyway.She can wait till the end of the war..
>>4379662>>4379666Alright, so what do you want to do tomorrow in terms of either prosecuting the war or recovering your comrades?
Just to be clear, the current unanimous vote is to call Kikuko now and have her arrange for you to meet the person running the Kōrakuhime account as soon as possible; so if some of you don't want to go in that direction, I'd like to know.
>>4379627Forgot we did hear that, I mean we could if she doesn't answer but way I figure it Alberich isnt that big on tech anyway, even after jumping through the hoops we'd still likely get the wrong account from lacking the 'close enough' filter>>4379666Nice satan trips, personally what I always figured was what all our options at 'character selection' where varying degrees of misanthropes who could cover it to some degree, Tsubaki was the type who if given a taste of actual power they'll just end up using it to live out their fantasies (just like 'onii-chan')
>>4379671All of our energy should be dedicated to finding Ayaka. But we have zero leads.
>>4379627I figured that using Kikuko as a mediator would get the user to actually show up, and since it's harder to flee someone in real life than online, we'll be able to achieve a meaningful conversation with them.And if it is the real Ogawara, we may have an opportunity to take over his mansion depending on how our conversation goes.>>4379662She has Territory Creation, Tool Creation, and is a master of Bounded Fields, she could easily create her workshop in our current house if it was needed, but I always saw the Koyama residence as temporary while we got on our feet.Even if the Koyama residence couldn't fit her, one of the nearby empty houses would do just as well.>>4379666Her research, prophecies, and battle prowess are also pretty useful, and I'd rather not assume the rest of the war will go well even if all signs point to that being the case.With Circe on the loose having somebody who can counter her magic will be invaluable.I do want to unlink Adelheid from Circe to prevent her from being used against us, and currently Kourakuhime does seem to be the best way to accomplish that.I'm also fairly worried about her, she would've been surprised by the Manor explosion and is a prime target for Circe.Her not meeting up with us is concerning.
>>4379673So uh Sweets I'm not saying there's a DW spy in here but
>>4380370Son of a bitch!How do you like that? I bet they'll find some way to cram robots or other weird modern elements into faerie.
>>4380370>>4380377The only thing surprising is that you're surprised by the existence of fairies in the Camelot Lostbelt.
>>4380379Is that what it is? I don't follow the game news at all.
>>4380380FGO has a new opening cinematic.We're starting to see the big boys now:
"Indeed, there they are," you say, nodding. "I'm afraid the introductions will have to be delayed until the morning, though, as they seem to have fallen asleep. Arturia?" You shift your attention to the silent and uniformed woman. "Have you been guarding the house well while Medusa and her sisters rest?"Arturia dips her head in a nod, answering without inflection or eye-contact, "I have kept watch. No-one attempted to approach this building in the time between my return and yours.""Good." You look down at the small woman with satisfaction, lips curling in an unconscious smile. Although the task was simple and demanded little of her, the mere fact that she did something to serve your cause without sabotaging it seems a sign of the effectiveness of her mental change under your new orders. "You'll keep it up through the rest of the night, then. I want to be sure no enemy can catch us unawares.""Understood." After another nod, Arturia silently exits the room to take up her post as a sentry. Now that you're assured she won't willfully keep from seeing your enemies or antagonize returning allies based on nonsensical rationales, it seems as though you can finally have some confidence in the safety of a location, and not be prompted to worry over it yourself or keep another capable Servant by your side. You'd feel better in any case now that you've been healed, of course, but all the same you can't help thinking what a comfort it is to have the problem of Arturia's passive-aggressive rebellion resolved at last.As if reading that thought in your eyes, as Arturia makes her exit Liliesviel comments, "My, she's changed. I suppose you gave her some training after the Shijou girl's house was attacked, hm?" Glancing down at the words, you observe she's watching Arturia with curious eyes and an impish smile."Not so extreme as you might guess," you answer wryly, setting a hand on Liliesviel's shoulder. "Arturia is magically bound to follow my orders, but as you've seen she isn't particularly cooperative about it. Once I found I'd grown fed up with her insolence, I ordered her not to act in any way she expected to displease me. That seems to have sorted things out; it's a shame your command spell didn't have such a thorough effect on Circe.""It really is odd," Liliesviel agrees, lips pursing in one of her ever-ready pouts at the recollection of the Servant's sudden betrayal. "It really did seem like the command spell worked, too," she complains."It 'seemed' that way?" you echo, a seed of suspicion beginning to sprout in your mind. "You mean to say you weren't actually certain of the effect the spell had?"
"We~ll," Liliesviel begins hesitantly, drawing out the vowel as she casts her eyes upward and puts a finger to her lower lip in recollection. "I suppose you could say that. At first it didn't do anything to her, like she was resisting it somehow, but that Caster doesn't have Magic Resistance so I didn't worry about it. I just kept repeating the command, and after a while it seemed like it was working. She didn't even want to talk to me before, but after I ordered her to be loyal enough she didn't have any problem telling the whole story of you in the Akeldama War.""I see," you say quietly. The story has only deepened your suspicion as to the nature of Circe's freedom. "You don't suppose," you add, "that she might have been tricking you? Exaggerating the effects of the command spell while still resisting them, in order to fool you into bringing your repetition of orders to an end before she really was forced into complete loyalty?""Oh, you don't have any faith in me, Alberich!" Liliesviel exclaims with exaggerated emotion, flouncing over to a heavily cushioned recliner and throwing herself into the chair, which dwarfs her, to better display her pretense of hurt. "She couldn't just refuse my command spell. They're powerful things, you know! Not unless she was as strong as Otto, anyway!" As it often does when Liliesviel is in one of her moods, her voice grows even higher than usual, and her choice of words more childish. Under ordinary circumstances the display would really be quite appealing, but right now you find that, as it distracts from discussion of a matter key to your strategy in the War, it's mostly just irritating. That irritation creeps into your own voice, though you work to keep it soft, as you counter, "This is an enchantress born in the Age of Gods we are discussing; a former Goddess herself. I wouldn't put any feat of magical expertise entirely outside the realm of possibility." Yes, you think, that may well be it. She fooled you all by making some advance preparation against the compelling power of the command spell, then pretending to be forced to obey Liliesviel to the same degree Arturia is forced to obey you; and when an opportune moment came, she fled. Why, though? Did she never intend to obey you at all? It wasn't out of loyalty to the original Yumigawa, or she would have gone with him. Is she planning to take you unawares and reverse the situation? Make herself your Master somehow? No, she surely could've done that while you were unconscious. Is she truly intending to cut ties with you completely? If so, what does she still want out of the War, and why did she not go to the Greater Grail as Odin did? The woman's motives, you think, are as mysterious as her methods. You just can't guess what goes through her mind.
"Hmph!" Liliesviel refuses to be mollified or look at you, crossing her arms atop the recliner's armrest and resting her chin on them to pout while gazing away. "I suppose," she concedes at length. Then all at once she's smiling again, all lightness and cheer as she turns to you and announces, "Anyway, however she managed to escape we can't do a thing about it until we find her and the others. How do you plan to do that?""Well, my dear, for that I'll first need your seat." Happy to change the subject from idle speculation on the repeat traitor, you put on a smile of your own and in an air of good cheer and humor stride across the room, pick Liliesviel up in your arms (provoking an affronted squeak of surprise from the girl), then spin around and plop yourself into the seat she previously occupied with her on your lap. The phone, after all, is on a table just beside the armchair. "Now that's resolved," you continue, "I can make a call to a contact of mine who may have found my sister. If we can get to her, she ought to be able to divine the locations of Circe, Ayaka, Hecate, and anyone else we care to find, aside from Assassin.""Oh!" Liliesviel gasps, still somewhat breathless at the shock of your abrupt embrace. With the arm you still have thrown about her torso, keeping her close against you, you can feel her heart beating as rapidly as that of a little bird. "Well, that's- that's excellent."Having so agreed, you pick up the phone with your free hand, prop it up between head and shoulder, and dial the number Kikuko gave you. This time it doesn't ring long before connecting, and a groggy voice answers, "Al-chan...? Do you..." The question is interrupted by a yawn. "Do you know what time it is?""As a matter of fact, no," you answer cheerfully, "though I do believe it's some hour after midnight.""Then why are you, like, calling me now?" As sleepy as she is, Kikuko evidently can't muster up any of her usual playful banter. Still, to converse with the ordinarily high-energy girl when she's reduced to this level has its own appeal, especially in light of the infuriating nickname she's one-sidedly labeled you with. "I rather imagined you would gladly assist me at any time, Kikuko," you reply, humor still in your tone. "I need you to reach out to your tmitter Kōrakuhime and set up that meeting you mentioned, as soon as possible. I've healed now, and though I have my doubts about this girl she's at present my only lead."
"Oh, that." Kikuko punctuates the acknowledgment with another yawn before continuing, "Alright, Al-chan. I'll, like, go shoot her a message now and call you in the morning about where and when to meet, 'kay?" Without waiting for a response, she hangs up. For a moment you consider calling her again to be certain she hasn't just rolled over and gone back to sleep, but you put that thought aside. Kikuko is bound to do whatever you ask of her, after all, and will surely keep to her word. Besides, it is rather late and you'd like to be sure you and Liliesviel get at least some rest before dawn. With that in mind, you drop the headset back in its cradle and the two of you make your way to bed.White stone crowned with a thin layer of struggling turf juts out like the prow of some titanic ship, petrified and rendered immobile in some misty age long past. Far below, waves grey as steel surge up white crested and crash down again amidst the surf, split clean in two by the angled wall of rock. Up here, the sound of their rising, their churning, their assault on the rock are all lost amidst the general groan and roar of the whole ocean, stretching out to the horizon. There it meets a roof of equal grey, a sheet of sodden cloud that encompasses all the firmament; there, at the meeting of sea and sky, is born the ceaseless wind that forms the chief sense of this place.A pouring, rush, an endless torrent, an inescapable stream of force, it tears your cloak away from your body and sends it streaming back from your shoulders; it stings your eyes and chills your flesh; it seems to claw at your armor itself, pulling and prying, straining to worm its way through your protection even as it works to throw you back from the cliff, back down the hard slope that led to this shearing pinnacle, this central point of all ascent and descent. Below you the sea surges up, straining to climb; before you the wind surges on, straining to push you down; and suddenly, there is another here. A woman, beautiful by any ordinary metric, with pale, almost white skin, a full, curvaceous figure, black hair that falls past her waist, and deep violet eyes that seem to emanate a sense of perfect calm. Incongruously, in this chill place of rushing wind and inhospitable rock, she's dressed only in a white sun-dress that, blown back against her as it is, does more to highlight the shape of her body than to protect against the elements. After giving a long, measuring glance first to the surroundings and then to you, she speaks. When she does it seems the words don't pass through the howling wind, which ought to deafen any man to speech, but reach your ears directly from her lips."If you leave your Master to fend for herself," she warns, a hint of strange levity in her eyes and the shadow of a smile on her lips, "eventually, she will."
Koyama Resistance, Tokyo - November 26, 2019, TuesdayYou come awake and sit up all at once, gripped by an inexplicable sense of anxiety. You're in the bed formerly occupied by the man and wife who used to live in this house. You're unharmed, at last. Liliesviel is sleeping peacefully beside you, undisturbed by whatever impulse griped your heart and drew you out of slumber. Pale, weak morning light shines