Your name is Shu.Monsters, gods, and old friends…many have fallen at your hand in your time wading through the flesh-infested hell of the Crucible. However, the challenges you’ve faced up to this point pale in comparison to the engine of devastation you plan to confront, a thing that is a doctor’s cruelty given form, her madness made manifest in an unfeeling machine.“Alright, what’d I miss?” You ask, having emerged from your bedroom after a desperately-needed nap and assembled your numerous allies into the main living area of your temporary home.“Orwell touched base through one of Amara’s clones while you and she were resting, and she gave us some new info on Alpha that came at a price.” Gina informs you, the petite brunette to your right fixing you with her focused hazel eyes. “A pretty sizable group of Daughters decided to square off against Alpha, and it turns out that she wasn’t just built to scale to an individual’s speed – she scales her available actions to the number of combatants, too.”“Christ…alright, well that’s good to know before going in, at least.” You say with a sigh, rubbing the bridge of your nose with thumb and forefinger. “You said this info came at a price?”“Oh, that whole team bit it. Hard. Nothin' left of em'.” Rath chimes in from your left, the short-haired ginger folding her taught, muscular arms across her chest. “Hate to say it, but better them than us, yeah?”"Aye, she's got a point." Jackie nods across the table, the lithe, raven-haired leader of the Midnight Crew standing opposite you and flanked by her three friends. "Now that we know, I'd like to think that lends credence to my plan of tagging out smaller attack teams to keep her on her toes, keep her cycling through her Relics and such so she can't adapt to our tactics."You meet the other girls' dark eyes, and in that moment a truth passes between you both. Small teams, smaller losses - it's an idea that's best left unsaid, but it's one you have to bear in mind, regardless. If Magpie hadn't had reservations about pulling punches in your last (and final) encounter, you have to wonder if the room you're in would be as full as it currently is...and it's as that thought weighs on your mind that you notice Sia leaning on the table, the girl's inscrutable and hazy visage tilting towards Dorian with a slight nod of her head."Shu, if you don't mind my saying...I'm starting to think that Dorian would be a liability in this fight."~~~Previous Vein: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/4142662/Archive: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Body%20Horror%20QuestCharacter Abilities, Ver 3.9:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12N7NB6N8_CmjJJPUDMjijBBqSBNdvoYBc1um01TbXs0/edit?usp=sharingTrypophilic Hive, Ver. 3: https://pastebin.com/bUWG6TNFRelics, Ver. 6: https://pastebin.com/6b2b720GDual Techs: https://pastebin.com/2jZ5ZhyxTwitter: https://twitter.com/bodyhorrorquest?lang=en
"I...I beg your pardon?" Dorian stammers, affronted."Look man, just hear me out, okay?" The Neuromancer counters, raising one hand to halt any further protests from the young man across from her. "Last time we faced Alpha, we barely got out with our lives on account of her matching your speed. It was just you, me, and Sugar that time, and the *only* reason we got out alive was on account of Sugar swooping in to save our asses...thanks for that, by the way."She gives the pale, Gluttonous Daughter beside her a thumbs' up, and Sugar doesn't even hesitate to lean over and engulf her ally's digit in her mouth before Sia yanks her hand out of reach with a small sound of irritation."Tactically speaking, Sia has a point." Ace intones, her metallic form towering over everyone present in November's absence, Rath's aunt currently being tended to by Tinker Tailor in an adjacent room. "No-one here is capable of matching Dorian for speed, and if we give Alpha that advantage, then we're done.""Going into combat when you're a man down is foolish." Dorian retorts, struggling to keep an even tone."We've been a woman down for a little while now, dude." Rath grumbles, turning from the incensed artist back to you. "Speaking of which, are we gonna grab Julia for this thing?""We should first determine how best to proceed regarding the biomass our parties have compiled." Francine chimes in, gesturing to the pile of raw meat and remains in the corner of the room. "Despite the frustratingly randomized components of the generator and its best efforts to resist Gina's Neuromancer, we were able to summon and summarily put down four distinct Amalgams with Relic-based skill sets, though their specifics eluded me since I did not have access to the Arbiter's Appetite. So, how would you have us proceed, darling?"You mull it over for a moment, weighing what's on your plate with the equally hefty amount of tactics to consider, to say nothing of the spoils of combat you've yet to consume. On the other hand, you can tell that everyone present is on edge, and while you've had some time to rest and recover from the day's events, that's not a luxury that's been afforded to the rest of your team.>>As much as you hate to say it, Alpha can wait for the time being. Relax a bit with your allies and tell them to rest a while, and spend time with one or two of them...before you attend to more serious matters.>>Formulate a plan with everyone present before breaking for a while, then speak privately with an ally (or allies) of your choice before you bring everyone together again to consume the remains.>>You’d like Julia by your side, so send Dorian to retrieve her from Laoc and then catch up with a bit before you consume Magpie and the Amalgams’ remains...and maybe even craft a new Spiritus shell for one of your Dream Daughters.>>Write-InYOU ARE IN CONTROL
(Gentlemen, voting shall remain open for the next four hours.)
>>4168335>Check in with Orwell. while you're sure she would tell you if Alpha was causing immediate trouble, you want a layout of her path and area. just hoe likely is it she may wander someplace you would prefer not to let her rampage through at the moment?>Assuming you have time, tell everyone to give you a moment to think things through, and get some rest. they'll need it once you're ready.>Send Dorian to check on Julia and the Hyenas. if possible, you'd like to ask them to spare some time to help, if they're up for it and Laoc can spare them, but you want call them away til its time to actually strike. >Otherwise, get working on four Spiritus Shells as tricked out as everyone here can give and is willing to give to spare. if Julia comes to help, thats fine, but dont ask or corral her into coming just for this, and otherwise just talk to whoever comes your way while you think and work.
>>4168335>Check in with Orwell. while you're sure she would tell you if Alpha was causing immediate trouble, you want a layout of her path and area. just hoe likely is it she may wander someplace you would prefer not to let her rampage through at the moment?>Tell everyone to take a small break while you mull things over>Send Dorian to check in on Julia and if she thinks she had enough time to herself or still needs more.>Start working on a Spiritus Shell for Johanna Ask people to help pitch in with BIO if they are willing. Ask for Raths help to give it a 'strong design/ feeling' and touch base with your adorable redhead and how she feels. >And lets not forget should Amara wake up and want to help let her. We couldn't stop her from doing modifications later on anyway>>4168342OP you forgot to link the Fan Fictions again in the starting post. And i forgot to remind you of that.Also question about the Ravager Acidum. Did i hit the notes for a Humoral paladin ability with it or did i go way outside of what usually constitutes such an ability
>>4168335Adding in>>4168361 (You)>Joahannas is just the first shell to get ready. If you can get more done make more with as many bells and whistles as you can make
>>4168342>>4168361>fanfic docoh yeah, forgot to ask how you would like us to help you compile that, or if you already had an idea BHOP? or did you give up on the idea?>>4168361id assume regardless he has not added it as its not ready yet.
>>4168335>>Write-In>"I agree with Francine. Let's take a look at the meat we've got with the Appetite, see what options we have available to us, and then eat. That will give everyone the chance to catch their breath while we digest the meal, and afterwards we can make some plans around what we've got for countering Alpha's build.">"Meanwhile, I'm going to get on the line with Orwell, ask for Alpha's current location so we can best plan where to fight her. Also, I want to ask if she knows how conceptual Alpha's target-scaling is. Would Jackie's idea to cycle small teams through count as several smaller fights or one prolonged fight with enemies adding in as we go?"
>>4168373Actually, we also need to know of any other adaptations that Alpha might have been given to deal with us. For example, has she shown any resistance to Skintalking? Because REV VITA would knock out over four fifths of Alpha's Health in one opening move, but if West saw us do that against Yurei and has planned to counter it, then that's obviously a bust.
>>4168376it was said she was given upgrades specifically to face all our family, so yeah, we can be very assured she can probably block things like that.hence why our plan is really to cancel out her Relics as if we cant, probably not even worth bothering to face her. i mean, yeah, we need to stop her, but we cant do that or help anyone if we're dead.
>>4168376>>4168379The sniper Rifle of Magpie was still intact wasn't it........ Maybe just maybe we can see what its drawbacks are and can maybe craft some Anti Relic Ammo from it to unleash into her face during a surprise round.Not a fan of this possibility but something me may want to consider. Especially if we can infuse a round with Raths Relic backfire ability
>>4168384maybe. we'll have to wait til BHOP gives us the rundown of what survived though, aswell as if we can do anything with the melted husks aswell.
>>4168379>it was said she was given upgrades specifically to face all our family, so yeah, we can be very assured she can probably block things like that.Yeah, I'm assuming that is the case, because it's not like an Alpha with over six thousand Health wouldn't still be a super tough fight. Just thought we should check to make sure. Though if West wanted to be really nasty, she'd modify Alpha to subtract 1% Health from her max. Change it from 36560% to 36559%. Now inverting it doesn't take it down to 6563%, it raises it to 95563%. >>4168384That's not a bad idea. We don't need to use Alex's Mercy, necessarily, but can we make some of those anti-Class rounds for our own guns? Is there enough Daughter biomass left in Alpha to count for that sort of thing? She's got a Generating Halo, so we might manage to make anti-Generator bullets work against her.
>>4168390nothing says we cant make our own custom rounds to take on Alpha, doesn't have to be class based.also, we're not gonna beat Alpha by smacking her health down. i just dont see it happening, even if we swapped her down to 6000+ instead. we need to counter or relic powers, then if we can do that, rip out her core matrix thing, as hard as im sure that'll be. mind you, we know its easier than actually killing her, but still. might even just shut her down if we do. or not, but i doubt she will be anywhere near as powerful without it....or tampering with it will just cause her to explode on us. but i mean, again, we're not beating her in a direct fight, just not happening at our current level.
>>4168396I'm just considering the worst-case scenario, where disabling her Relics and punching the Cores out of her chest doesn't manage to stop her and we still have to cut through thirty-six thousand Health on a rocket-cyborg. Oh god, this is going to be such a nightmare fight. And we thought Magpie was bad.Though actually, how much Health did Magpie have? Mara's false body had five figures, so it could be that Magpie's true body was in the same range? Maybe we can put out enough damage to kill Alpha straight-up, in the worst-case scenario.
>>4168404yeah, and im saying if it gets to that point, we'll probably just have to back off.as for Magpie, unsure. id actually very much not be surprised though if she had significantly less health, due ot her build simply not being built around taking hits at all. sure, she was high level, but in reality that could easily leave a very big stat difference depending on what she actually built up.
>>4168404>>4168396We do have Novembers Autumn Protocol that can deal ludicrous amounts of Damage. Maybe we can make rounds that reduce WAlphas Heat resistance? maybe even knock off her immunity to it?Otherwise yeah backing off is gonna have to be the priority. But she will be a lot less dangerous then afterwards so we can at least push her onto the backburner
>>4168408didnt we have some way to make Novembers attacks Radiant only, or just change their damage type? do that and it'll work just dandy, i dont think even our new info was showing Alpha had Radiant resistance. i mean, she could have it i guess, but as far as im aware we have not seen she does.
>>4168405Yeah, but if we back off then we're right back to where we started, being chased by a killer rocket-cyborg that we have no way of stopping. God, I don't want that. Just let me pretend for a minute that we can kill her this fight and have it be over with.And I was accounting for the fact that Magpie probably is significantly less buff than Mara, that's why I was comparing Mara's false body to Magpie's true. I guess she could be really not buff, though. >>4168411We have no information on how Alpha's immunities and resistances have been altered. She's probably plugged that hole in her defenses, just to be extra annoying. But if she hasn't, then yes, Amara can turn all a target's attacks to Radiant damage. If Alpha is still vulnerable to it, then buffing everyone with a GRA OMA NUKA THA at the start of the fight is a good idea.
>>4168411>>4168408>>4168405>>4168404If I'm reading this right, then the Fight against West Alpha would be best fought in a series of 1v1 dueling matches as West Alpha scales her strength and adaptations to the opponent(s) she tries to face. The problem with this method is that when we go for a switch/tag-in that's when Alpha will gain a boost in power.
>>4168413well i mean, if the Anti-Relic abilities dont work, or even are just subpar in effectiveness, then we already just dont stand a chance, especially with her being so geared towards us. but you were saying if we get past that and get out her cores and shes still a powerhouse. but sure, it would suck to back down, but if we got that far we can probably at least assure she doesn't get her cores back, and have probably thus super crippled her threat level. she might still be too high level for us at the moment, but the bar would still undoubtedly have been lowered significantly for when we try again.it IS possible to make good and permanent progress but still not be able to finish something in one go afterall.as for November, Amaras was not how i meant we could do that. swear we had another way, that would actually change it, over just stacking Radiant on top of it like Amaras does, which wouldn't actually fix the problem. stacking another damage type on top still leaves her getting hit with something she can react to with immunity or absorption triggers, so would still make hitting her with such attacks a bad idea.
>>4168417yeah, no. thats a terrible idea. no one, at all, could face West Alpha on their own. she only scales certain aspects to how many she faces. sure, powerful aspects, but still only certain ones. the issue your plan is ignoring is, she still has a baseline power level that could easily overcome anyone on their own.
>>4168335>Have everyone take a break while you check on Orwell for level-ups and Karma to upgrade the Contender, and get to work on crafting Spirit Shells for your dreamdaughters.
>>4168417If we were all Mara or hell even Magpie Level powerful... Maybe we could pull something like that off but right now no one could do that... Maybe Julia if she got a boost like the one that finished off Yureis first form
>>4168420>>4168335lets not do this. we planned to upgrade the Contender after the level-ups, so we could choose her less mallable upgrades based off any gaps left in the level-up process, or better mesh with it.
>>41684171v1 is not a good move even if we could do the switch efficiently, she's still massively more powerful than any of our party members. Thirty-six thousand Health, six ACTs, a huge arsenal of Relics that she can generate on the fly, and rocket punches. No way is anyone facing that solo.>>4168418I would accept a retreat if we timeskip past us regrouping and go immediately into round two against a crippled Alpha with our party having recovered during the skipped time. I want her dead by the end of this Vein.
>>4168426well, I wouldn't. thats silly. i hate her too but getting ourselves killed isnt going to do anyone any good. if she proves too tough she proves too tough. we come back later. we backed off from facing Kosi for awhile too without a time skip. plus, it would horribly mess with the flow of the quest and even the point of backing off, which is to give us time to rethink and plan things. not to mention the world doesn't stop for us. a time skip would leave way too much to just dice rolls we're ignoring, as no way if we have to back off all we're taking is a five minute breather.
>>4168419Oh high excel sheet anon. This is archive anon.>>4168426>>4168422You're right all, what I suggested is a terrible Idea. Still what I said still has some merit. If we are to break this fight down into skirmishes of constantly rotating teams, our best bet will be to have Alpha adopt the barest baseline adaptations while leaving herself vulnerable to unexpected events like a sudden switch. Let me run this idea by you because I have one in the works and I'm not sure if we can pull it off. It's super risky and sounds VERY STUPID but this idea is still in it's "probably could work from creativity phase" if you could pardon the sheer riskiness and just try to play along with my perspective.So here's what I'm proposing. We have Alpha prioritize Shu and have Shu act as a taunt tank. Everyone else can rotate in and out as they so please. Even though Shu's got the lowest Health pool of everyone in the family, she's got the Highest Bio pool out of all of them which means she has the highest armor. So while Alpha's main baseline will be Shu (the one constant), She'll be vulnerable to unexpected elements (i.e. everyone else) and will have a hard time adapting to them as we constantly rotate them.The problem that I'm having with these fights is that arranging a massive battle where teams constantly rotate in and out of engaging Alpha will inevitably lead to a clusterfuck. Shu's the best person at keeping all the ducks in a line, And I've noticed that over many fights that our allies tend to go down first before we tend to sit in the back on a massive health regen surplus due to dominus bloodline despite having very viable defensive melee.
>>4168430We can recover to full pretty fast, so long as nobody gets sent to Death's Door. We've got more than enough healing abilities in the party to manage that. So we just have to avoid anyone getting knocked out and we can make the timeskip be only a couple minutes. We burn through resources to hit her hard and fast to cripple her, retreat to refill, and then go right back to fight a weakened Alpha.
>>4168438Oh, Alpha will almost certainly prioritize Shu anyway, because everyone does. I don't think we'll have to work to make that happen. Having Shu draw aggro while the rest of the teams rotate around Alpha isn't a terrible idea, though. We should raise Shu's Health considerably this next level-up, get her Magpie's Core and triple-hybrid gun skill and junk them both for stats, that would at least make her break 2000%.
>>4168442>Magpie's innate Gun skillYou know, that just gave me an idea when we eat Magpie's core and gun skill. Lets have Shu spawn arms that hold each of magpie's guns and use them as we please. Currently Alpha's spec'd to counter just the Contender, but she'll have a hard time keeping up if we constantly rotate fire-arms.
>>4168439yeah, no, i disagree. you're forgetting mental fatigue, and the simple fact if things force us to back off, we simply are clearly not prepared to finish her off now. it would take much much more than just recovering our stats to be prepared to face her again if it goes that poorly. again, we simply cant brute force this fight, and if trying to go at it logically as we are already wont work, then just throwing ourselves into the ringer for a second spiff wont either. its silly as hell.just stop ignoring the reality this may end up a Kosi situation, where we just are not yet prepared for the moment to actually finish things off here. >>4168438im unsure. i see what you're going for, but might just not Work. Shu might just need the breathing room of leaving herself, and the problem is a constant just puts Shu in too much danger. honestly, the Teams themselves will probably need to be random, so Alpha cannot start being prepared for each team. but Shu staying in the fight could force certain elements to be more necessary per team to accommodate the fact Shu will always be there and thus always need help in certain ways, aswell as Shu will then make certain counters always there, significantly lowering many peoples ability to be a surprise counter.Having Shu always there basically means no one else can rely on their hive Mistress Powers at any point, for example. while rotating her out aswell could at least make those viable at times for others, and Shu too, if we force Alpha to mix things up enough.
>>4168438Then Shu will need a diverse set of defenses to keep WAlpha off her toes while we rotate people in and out. Also one thing Dorian can not be allowed to intervene in this fight under any circumstances. With his speed WAlpha will turn everyone into mush in a round or two.And we will nee dot fit everyone with Custom Ammo to target specific parts of WAlpha. Probably one anti relic ammo. One anti generator and one anti fibromancy i think she also got a lot of.>>4168442We will see if any of Magpies abilities will be of any use against the killer Cyborg.... but yeah they will probably be just stats.....>>4168447We first need to see which drawbacks those guns have before we can consider using them.
>>4168442>>4168447as i always say, lets not jump the gun here, and wait til we see whats actually available for the level-up, whenever that happens.even stat wise Magpie may not be the best for Shu, or may end up meshing well replacing something on someone else. and i mean... not like this time we have her Dream Daughter to worry about who it goes into...
>>4168452>>4168447>>4168442Dorian wont like it, but there is a good role he can play in this battle; ferrying people to and from the battle. yes, he cannot be allowed to get close enough to be counted as a combatant, but neither can anyone else for this to work. to make this run smoothly and them get in in time, he may be necessary to ferry people around to switch up both whos on whos team, and where they come in from, in ways we otherwise couldn't do quickly enough. aswell as the fact the battle probably wont stay in one location, so people will have to be a decent bit further than just the actual combat bubble away to keep out of it, so him sling shotting them in or at least closer to it will save alot of time.
>>4168447I remember proposing that we completely respec our skills, give Alpha the entirely wrong set of counters, but ultimately we decided that it would put us at as much of a disadvantage due to not knowing our skillset as thoroughly after the respec.>>4168449Alpha is already worse than a Kosi scenario. Kosi was a time-sensitive thing to consider, but she wasn't actively hounding us across the Fleshscape, forcing us to play an entirely defensive and reactionary style while we desperately search for something that can end her. We could actually advance meaningfully in the quest instead of spending our entire time glancing over our back worried that West Alpha would strike while we were distracted. I would love for Alpha to become a Kosi scenario, where we can just leave it and go off on adventures, secure in the knowledge that nothing bad is going to happen while we're gone. But if we cripple Alpha that severely, there's no reason not to just kill her then. >>4168457Not a bad idea.
>>4168449>>4168453>>4168452This West Alpha situation will probably be a Kosi scenario where we will have to back off. And come back for a second round. Which reminds me. >>4168335>As much as you hate to say it, Alpha can wait for the time being. Relax a bit with your allies and tell them to rest a while, and spend time with one or two of them...before you attend to more serious matters.>Consult with Orwell for the exact details of how West Alpha adapts as well as the established baseline, her current location and her predicted flight path. And ask if it's safe to reclaim (but not fully move back in) the Dragon's Roost or if Alpha isn't hanging around that place like a squatter.
>>4168466>respec our skillspart of that was it simply would be a nightmare game wise and mechanically too.and its not at all that simple. because if we get that far and have to back off in the first place, no, there is every reason in the book not to try and kill her again if we fail the first time, because, we just failed to kill her. it means even in that weakened state, we did not have enough to bring her down. backing off wont change that. and its not about what we want. if Alpha turns out to be something we're not ready to deal with, thats that. we just have to deal with it and work around it til we are and can finish her off later. it would be utterly stupid to keep pressing her if theres clear signs we are not ready, just like how we didn't just bull rush her the first time. it would suck, but all what you're proposing would get people needlessly killed and result in yet another, worse failure. unlike Kosi, we're talking about someone custom made to kill us and made to stand up to the like of people like Mara. our potential tricks are the only reason this might even be slightly viable. if those fail or dont do enough, then we simply are not ready to face her, simple as that.
>>4168438oh, and forgot to say hi back, sorry.>>4168468i dont think we should be thinking about reclaim the dragons roost. until Alpha is gone, its simply always going to be too high a liability.
>>4168466>>4168457If we're going to at least aim to Cripple, why not go for a super long range bombardment like Railgun sniping in an attempt to act least disable one of West Alpha's Cores? Take the time to craft a bullet capable of piercing through her defenses and dealing super heavy piercing damage.Which reminds me of vid related:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQlVYpp2EPQVideo description tl;dr: A heavy bio-mass loaded Bullet with innate piercing damage that's capable of bypassing piercing resistance that when buried in the target, soon explodes into piercing swords of calcite erupting out of the target's body.We could go for something like Vid related, except modify the bullet in a way that it stays stuck inside West Alpha's body, permanently crippling that core.
>>4168475We will have to make plans for our Alpha Strike/ Surprise round anyway so keep that in mind that is not a bad idea.
>>4168475first, we need to know if Novembers guns can take custom rounds.second, im not against it for an opening, but i just cant see her not having some way to defend from ranged enough to get up close, so we would need beo be ready for when she does, which would result in the typical plan.again, as an opener it could work, but i dont think its a good idea to rely on only long ranged fighting nor the idea it will continue to work long enough to win off of. plus, we need someone close enough to ensure both her Relics can be countered, and her cores are actually knocked out, and if knocked out, taken away from her before she can get them back.
>>4168472A foe being something we're not ready to deal with has never stopped us before. Not when there are more important things that mean that it's end them or suffer terrible consequences. It's the same scenario, we'll kill Alpha because leaving her alive is too awful to deal with.>>4168475I did suggest that a couple Veins back, actually. Hook November up to Shu and Amara via the Dominus Bloodline, give her a total of twelve ACTs to work with, and she can fire six railgun rounds in a single turn. Do it from over the horizon, using a swarmling as a spotter, and have it be MRSI (Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact, shooting the earlier shells in a salvo at higher angles so they have longer flight times and therefore hit at the same time as the later rounds) so that they all hit before Alpha can respond. Then we teleport to a new spot and fire another salvo from there. Soften Alpha up with a couple of barrages, then engage her.>>4168482That's why we engage her from over the horizon. In the time it would take Alpha to retaliate, we'll already have teleported out.
>>4168482you got that gdoc to our theorycrafted relics? I need you to pull it up as I might have a few things in that doc that we could make as novelty debuffs.>>4168490>>4168477True. But I think we're going to have to take our time here in this preparation phase of hunting down West Alpha. I understand your people's haste in wanting to kill Alpha asap and have her be done with it, but overconfidence and hastiness is a slow and insidious killer.Right now, I just want people to come up with creative ways to weaken West Alpha in one-off novel ways that leaves her with no room to adapt to after they're used. Like consumable relic. It doesn't have to be a big one, it could be consumable relics that throws debuffs on West Alpha over time.
>>4168490not really, and this is without a doubt on a different scale than other times. plus, any other threat has had an actual goal, West Alpha is so far just a mindless force of nature you can possibly stop. its bad to let her go, but at worse she tries to hound us, something we have already been dealing with. at best, she just flails around randomly, which is bad, but compared to past problems nowhere near as actually bad. and again, getting us all killed wont help the situation. getting our team mangled and cut down wont do anything helpful. she needs to be dealt with, but she is not something we should, or can, or need to, stupidly brute force ourselves against. my god Anon seriously fucking hell.>hit her from the horizon.yeah, may not be possible where she is, and could very well backfire. if shes under fire, she will be under some form of being in combat. on top of, all that would do is make her shift towards things to make sure she can actually close that distance, or worse, escape. relying on any barrage being able to last without something distracting her in close combat past a turn is ignoring literally everything we know about how she works.
>>4168493the only one being mind boggingly stupid in their hastiness to kill her now is >>4168490this anon.as for the sheet, here ya go. im a bit surprised you didnt have it saved, but no issue or problem at all if you have your reasons.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1b_-8s0tin7DCQxITm6C69QULRnM_ibDfg18iV4dc7Fc/edit?usp=sharing
>>4168497added to my drive. thanks.
>>4168498its public editing mind you, as the point was to have people archive their own relics over any one person having to try and remember to do so.
(Good Morning, all. It's been a doozy on my end, so I'm just now getting to questions.) >>4168361(The fan fiction compilation isn't done yet, so that's why I didn't add it yet. Regarding the Ravager Acidum, you did well, and I feel like it suits a Humoral skillset well.) >>4168372(I would like some assistance compiling that if the anons here would be so kind, since I feel like I'd miss something.) >>4168493(For the sake of space, the Google doc for Player-Crafted Relics in at the top of the Relics Ver 6 Pastebin.)
>>4168505(Testing this again, since I can see my name when I'm typing up a post, but it's now showing up when it hits the thread.
>>4168505Ah alright so the other anon was right.So how can we help? My own works are all centralized in one place should we go back and just gather them together wherever they may have shown up?
>>4168505think you forgot your Trip BHOP... or wait, damnit. can you place it? i know due to the April 1st joke, many boards have that feature disabled. otherwise, sorry to hear about your day.>Threaysheet in Relics sheet.oh, well thanks for adding that to the Relics sheet. makes things easier.as for the Fan-Works, i'll compile a list of mine for you to then use as you please. if no one else is up for it, ill try and haggle what i can remember and find together, but everyone giving you a link you can then organize as you please would probably work best, over one person trying to scrounge it all together.unless of course, they want to, are willing to, or already have, of course.
>>4168490>>4168497Some consumable relics that I think we could make for West Alpha.>RHINOVIRAL POWDER (Consumable): A bag or jar filled with Sickly mucus colored powdery pentagonal flakes. To use effectively, throw the powder at the “face” or the appropriate equivalent of your enemy daughter/amalgam/construct’s respiratory system. Upon inhalation or exposure to the relic powder, the unfortunate victim will experience the onset of the common cold for 10 rounds. Additionally during combat the unfortunate victim will have a low but increasing chance to waste one ACT on their turn entirely spent on dealing with the symptoms. Purging this disease takes up the victim's entire turn for one round. Even in the onset of the Crucible, mankind’s most common sickness persists. Bless you. (tl;dr: The powder causes the victim to have a small but increasing chance to have their intended action interrupted and wasted due to the symptoms of the common cold over 10 rounds as a relic that disrupts the enemy's Action economy over a period of time.)>HOMEBOUND FEMUR (consumable): A Human bone bleached and fragile. It smells of pain, nostalgia, and recovery. To activate this relic, the daughter can simply break the bone as a free action. In doing so the bone teleports the user back to the spot where they last slept in the fleshscape. However, this also breaks the daughter’s “legs” and halves their mobility for one day or until their next resting period (still applies to daughters who are amorphous or lack legs, the Relic WILL cut down their mobility somehow by breaking a limb). Coming home in such short notice can be a pain one’s feet, so make sure you rest up before your next adventure.Homebound Femur would provide all combatants an escape rope to dip out of combat without getting traced back to our new home base which is something I think everyone should have on their person if we are to fight against West Alpha. As for Rhinoviral Powder, it's not consistent, but the increasing chances and the very long debuff duration would help tip the scales ever so slightly.
hmm...... weird.... its not showing up for me either... I didnt notice on the last post.... but now its pretty clear that its missing
>>4168494>not really, and this is without a doubt on a different scale than other times. plus, any other threat has had an actual goal, West Alpha is so far just a mindless force of nature you can possibly stop. its bad to let her go, but at worse she tries to hound us, something we have already been dealing with. at best, she just flails around randomly, which is bad, but compared to past problems nowhere near as actually bad. You're right, this is without a doubt on a different scale than other times. Alpha is so much worse than all of our other big threats that we pushed beyond our limits to kill. None of them were persistent threats that would prevent us from actually playing the damn game, Alpha is. She has to be ended so we can get on with the quest. Every Vein she's alive is a Vein where we have to deal with her bullshit instead of any of the other thousand threats we have to deal with.>and again, getting us all killed wont help the situation. getting our team mangled and cut down wont do anything helpful. she needs to be dealt with, but she is not something we should, or can, or need to, stupidly brute force ourselves against. my god Anon seriously fucking hell.I explicitly said not to do it if we get anyone put on Death's Door. We're just doing this if we can manage to hit her hard with an initial strike that cripples her, then retreat to recover for the next round with her severely weakened. >yeah, may not be possible where she is, and could very well backfire. if shes under fire, she will be under some form of being in combat. on top of, all that would do is make her shift towards things to make sure she can actually close that distance, or worse, escape. relying on any barrage being able to last without something distracting her in close combat past a turn is ignoring literally everything we know about how she works.It's MRSI. The barrage doesn't last, it hits all at once. She gets hit by six railgun shells at the same time and then has to run dozens of kilometers in a single turn in order to catch us before we teleport out. It's a good move.>>4168508I believe it has to do with April Fool's.
>>4168508>>4168517damn, yeah. think they just disabled it here too. hrm. well, theres the April Fools joke on our game, i guess. thank goodness you always put () around things, and typically have a distinct writing style i guess?
>>4168509(When I pause for the evening later today, Ill request that everyone post links to their works, and then I'll compile those into a Pastebin that I'll add to subsequent Veins.)>>4168517>>4168518(Ah, oh well. Hopefully it'll get fixed in time.)
>>4168509I found this one I still had open on my phone made by some other anonhttps://pastebin.com/wJu88nYi
>>4168516Homebound Femur sounds good. I'm not sure that Rhinoviral Powder will do anything, though, for all we know Alpha doesn't even breathe anymore. We haven't actually gotten a description of her, BHOP is holding back on that one for a dramatic reveal. But she might be so cyberneticized she can't inhale.
>>4168518>It's MRSI. The barrage doesn't last, it hits all at once. She gets hit by six railgun shells at the same time and then has to run dozens of kilometers in a single turn in order to catch us before we teleport out. It's a good move.It's a good idea on paper, but I would like to remind you that bhop has confirmed that West Alpha travels the fleshscape by flying al la Iron Man. for an MRSI to work, we would have to use lots of math and planning to ensure that they all hit Alpha simultaneously in the air no less.
>>4168527Ah, damn, you're right. I forgot about the jet mode. We'd have to get her when she lands, that's less reliable as something we can do. Well, fuck that idea, then.
>>4168518>She has to be ended so we can get on with the questnot at the cost of losing the game itself, or a family member. and yes, every Vein she is alive if we fail, we will have to take her into account. its what it is, but trying to push past her if everything fails is not at all a solution either, nor is a time-skip that regardless of size, breaks the flow, structure, and feel of the game a better solution. if we didnt do a time-skip for Alamath, we damn well arent doing on here. and if Alpha forces us back, she forces us back. we deal with it, in the time we need, over foolishly rushing in. if after both pushing past both her Relics and her Cores she still forces us back, or worse, one or the other cannot work, we simply wont be beating her now. simple as that. and trying to push her now if we fail that hard will simply result in us not being around to ever beat her.>I explicitly said not to do it if we get anyone put on Death's Door.yes, and i explicitly have said multiple times if she can withstand all those steps we do and is still a massive threat to the point we have to back off, we arent suddenly going to be able to beat her in a second round.>Barrageand i damn fucking well never said it was a bad idea or not to do it, only not based the entire plan on it and rely on it working and West Alpha not being able to adapt to even the playing field or beat it. im saying we damn well better be prepared to face her in melee, because she still will almost certainly force us to no matter how far away we try to be, and certain aspect may require us to be ready for melee regardless. >>4168521will do. and also means i will need to work on that, assuming this conversation ever ends.though, if the level up votes are tonight(unsure when you plan to do them), it would be a very bad time to try and mix that into.
>>4168516sorry, the other anons running me ragged here.>PowderAlpha might be too machine for that.>Femuri guess thats alright. horrible drawback though and if Alpha somehow tracks us, we're fucked.
>>4168532yes but if she does manage to track us down we are fucked sideways either way.
>>4168531(Odds are that the level-up vote will come tomorrow evening, given that I'm still hammering out the level-up list, so it won't happen tonight, for sure.)
>>4168531>not at the cost of losing the game itself, or a family member.Agree to disagree. The risk is not that high.>if we didnt do a time-skip for Alamath, we damn well arent doing on here.No, that's right. You know what we did at Almath? We crippled the enemy, healed really quick, and then got back in the fight. Just like I'm proposing we do now. The time-skip is just glossing over the five minutes that it would take for us to do it, in order to preserve the flow of the game.
>>4168536not necessarily. we would still stand a chance of getting everyone safely moved again. everyone having broken legs and halved movement would very much significantly drop that chance. i mena, its low anyways, but we would still want to keep that as high as possible id imagine.>>4168538thats fine, both with me schedule wise and with me understanding. just wanted to make sure is all.oh, would you prefer i lay out the individual stories, or if its something like the Pepperbox Gang where all the story links are at the bottom of their page, you alright or prefer to just have me link that and maybe mention said story links are there? either is fine, honest, just want to know what you would prefer, not what you think would be easier for me/us.
>>4168542(Individual stories wold be fine, if that works for you as well.)
>>4168532>>4168528>>4168522I'm getting the feeling that the majority of this vein will be spent doing lots prepwork on taking down Alpha. From Karma level ups to Relic Crafting, to Consume level ups... If so, we should dedicate the time in this vein solely to downtime, prep-work, catching up on friends and family, and taking a much needed breather.>>4168335So some housekeeping that I think needs some attention:>Level up (obvious)>Karma level up (obvious)>Asking Tinker Tailor about November's repairs>Asking Tinker Tailor about the upgrades she made to November's Tank>Asking Tinker Tailor about her work on the Void Orrey>Catching up with family.>Forging relics, repairing relics.>Catching up on current events.>Catching up with Orwell on the details of the last skirmish and comparing the number of combatants in each of West Alpha's skirmishes. The devil is in the details and West Prime and West Alpha are such devils that we need to look out for in said details.>Asking Orwell on how the fuck Alpha managed to sniff out the location to the Dragon's Roost.speaking of tracking us down...how the fuck did West Alpha figure out our home base? We don't really physically enter/exit the penthouse and mainly travel to and from the penthouse via Escher's gear.
>>4168540>The risk is not that high.if she survives to the point of us needing to back off shes still such an overwhelming threat, yes, yes it fucking damn well is.>We crippled the enemy, healed really quick, and then got back in the fight. Just like I'm proposing we do now.no, BHOP re-evaluated some things and said he was gonna bowl through regardless, not giving us a choice. and context was still significantly different, what you're proposing now is ludicrously unnecessary and fucking retarded. im not letting you turn this into another damn Alamath situation.>The time-skip is just glossing over the five minutes that it would take for us to do it, in order to preserve the flow of the game.big damn fucking assumptions about how much time, and still would be breaking the flow and feel of the game.
>>4168542I would probably prepare at least two different fallback positions with the gear so that when we do fall back using the bones we can move out immediately if she would manage to find our new base.>>4168545So giving you the links to the individual stories?Even those that have multiple chapters. Can do that if you want to sure even with a descriptor and all.I might also then add a link to the pastebin in my own nexus once that is completed.>>4168548Na we did come in physically. people have come and gone repeatedly. And if you know roughly where to search even a mountain is no longer that big of a place. Shu has never done it any other way than with the gear btu Magpie that slime girl and i think at one point Julia as well as a couple other people from our family
>>4168545works fine for me sure.>>4168548probably, though that will depend on how much time Alpha actually gives us too. certainly agree we dont go at her willy nilly though yes. only thing i can think i disagree on is catching up with people, albeit in that i dont think we have the luxury of doing that by itself. maybe if it can be mixed into other tasks though sure. also dont think the Void Orrey is too important right now. Current Events again probably bested mixed into other things. important but i feel like anything more important than Alpha would either make itself obvious or be brought to our attention. lord please let nothing else pop up during this...>speaking of tracking us down...how the fuck did West Alpha figure out our home base? We don't really physically enter/exit the penthouse and mainly travel to and from the penthouse via Escher's gear.we use the waystation in the town it overlooks semi-frequently, and its not at all protected from prying eyes and abilities. neither is the town. combine that with West probably already keeping tabs and trying to track down important places to Mara, and she probably was able to start piercing things together id imagine.that, or a friend/ally blabbed. possibly not even on purpose or knowing they did.
>>4168557oh yeah, we're gonna make sure we can get outta dodge real fast if things go fuckside upside-down.
>>4168548>I'm getting the feeling that the majority of this vein will be spent doing lots prepwork on taking down Alpha. From Karma level ups to Relic Crafting, to Consume level ups... If so, we should dedicate the time in this vein solely to downtime, prep-work, catching up on friends and family, and taking a much needed breather.Well, our party can have a breather. Shu just took one. We need to work just hard enough that the increase in our stress balances with the decrease in everyone else's, so that we're all at the same level of somewhat stressed when we're done.>speaking of tracking us down...how the fuck did West Alpha figure out our home base? We don't really physically enter/exit the penthouse and mainly travel to and from the penthouse via Escher's gear.I figure that West studied Skintalking-based recordings of our movements and the movements of our associates, and managed to put together the likely location of our base from where we emerged. So she knew that we occasionally popped up in the Town of Rust, and that the Midnight Crew headed there to meet up with us, and so deduced we probably lived in that area.
>>4168545oh, BHOP!i think i just found wasp girl from Laoc!
(Writing now, Gentlemen. It's been busy, so thank you for bearing with me.)>>4168605(Oh, this is absolutely fantastic. Thank you!)
>>4168698No worries, BHOP, glad as always to have you running this awesome quest. Take all the time you need!
>>4168335“Let me check in with Orwell before we continue, just to get an up-to-date sitrep on Alpha.” You say, and as soon as the words are out of our mouth you notice a nearby Joyous snap to attention, a glint of intelligence in the constructs two-tone eyes as it strides up to you. “So, where is she, and what is she up to?”“Alpha’s looped back to this little town and is just flitting around, looking for something. It’s actually the same one whose church you and Rath bombed out shortly after you woke up, when you and she first met.” Orwell informs you, gesturing with her hands as she speaks, the movements clashing against Amara’s normal method of emoting. “She passed by your old dorm and one of West’s labs, too, but she didn’t stick around for long.”“When did that group of Daughters encounter her?”“Between West’s lab and the no-name town. Yeah, big ‘oof’ on that…they didn’t stand a chance.” The teen says, the construct she’s hijacked grimacing at the recollection. “I tried to fool-proof the warning field as best I can, but there’s only so much you can do, right? But hey, at least we got some decent info.”“Wait, is Alpha just…retracing Shu’s steps?” Gina asks, glancing to you as the Joyous just nods.“Looks like it. I’ve stored up enough strength to make a move to throw off your scent before she gets to the swamp, if that’s cool by you.”“Guess this whole crisis has been a goddamned buffet to you, hasn’t it?” Rath says, judgment dripping from every syllable as she scowls at the construct.“I’ve been trickling out info so as to not leak too much of our plans, so it’s not as much of one as you’d imagine. I promised 'em a big recap later, though.” Orwell replies, pointedly ignoring the other girl’s tone. “Still, the anticipation is more than enough to sustain me. Oh, the hype’s building up something fierce, lemme tell you.”“Thanks for the update, Orwell – it’s nice to know that we don’t have to sweat Alpha, at least for the time being. I may tap you for another distraction, but for now…” You trail off, meeting Dorian’s single azure eye as you toss Escher’s Gear to him. “…I’d like for you to go retrieve Julia and try to enlist the aid of the Hyenas for when we’re ready to strike, but only if Laoc can spare them.”“Rath?” You continue, nodding to Dorian as he salutes you just before space wraps around him, ferrying him to the far-off city. “I’d like for you to get started on four Spiritus shells. God knows we’ll need them, and gather what biomass everyone’s willing to spare for their creation.”“M-me? Uh, sure…I guess.” She stutters, clearly taken aback at your request for her creative efforts. Under your orders, she collects as much biomass as her freshly summoned arms can carry, scurrying off to November’s room to be close to her Aunt while Tailor continues her work.(Continued)
>>4168736“Alright everyone – I took a little while to rest up, and you’ll do the same.” You declare, leaving no room in your tone for argument. “Take the time that Orwell’s given us and relax while you can. That goes for you all, too.”Your words prompt an appreciative look from the leaders of the Crew and Barbers respectively, and at that the assembly of Daughters take up residence on the seats that Gina summons from the surrounding flesh with an amethyst-infused glance.“Y’know, it’s cool seeing you work up-close.”Surprised, you turn to your left end look down at meet a Joyous’ eyes, the one currently inhabited by the consciousness of a teen in some far-off, undisclosed location.“Is that so?”“Yep! Like, it’s common knowledge about how you fight and stuff, but seeing you take control in the little quiet moments really hammers home how you’ve come this far.” She nods, glancing around the room and your friends and family. “They’ve got all these different things that’d make them so ill-suited to work together under any other circumstances, or hell, any other leadership…and yet it just *works*. These people are so different, but you glue them together. None of them would be here if it weren’t for you.”“If it wasn’t for them, neither would I.” You counter honestly, keeping your gaze on the short construct beside you. “The only reason I’ve made it this far is because of them.”“Kind of a chicken-and-the-egg scenario then, isn’t it?” The Skintalker muses, steepling her fingers under her chin thoughtfully. “They’re alive ‘cause of you, you’re alive ‘cause of them – like a symbiosis.”“Or, you know…’friendship’. Which is what most people call it.” You add, eyebrow cocked as Orwell erupts into giggles.“Pfhaha, yeah, you got a point.” She chuckles, planting her hands on her hips as you regard the girl next to you. She’s an odd one for certain, and while you can’t deny that she didn’t exactly get off to the right foot going by first impressions, you can’t deny that her assistance has been a lifesaver…figuratively and literally, in several cases.While the others are relaxing, by extension you have some time on your hands. As for how you spend it…that’s up to you.>>Ask Orwell something else, while you have her here…in a manner of speaking.>>Check in on Tinker Tailor and November, and see what sort of modifications the former’s cooked up for your resident cyborg and her beloved Metall Geschoss.>>Take a moment to reach out to the Hexane lovers, Thelis and Veilen, to make sure they’re doing all right given everything that’s transpired.>>While they relax, sit down with [an ally of your choice]>>Write-InYOU ARE IN CONTROL
>>4168746>Tell Orwell under what criteria she should definitely call you back before you >"If you find anything about Alpha that has changed to cover one of her weaknesses or what she is doing Get back to me yeah. And when you have to spring that psychic lure to pull her off our trail. Also if she gets near Sam... She might mistake her for me ">>Check in on Tinker Tailor and November, and see what sort of modifications the former’s cooked up for your resident cyborg and her beloved Metall Geschoss.>If they seem busy go and cant afford the distraction sit down with Rath to touch base and go over the Spiritus Shell designs with her for each person.Did your Internet break OP
>>4168746wait, BHOP, thought Shu had to help with the spritius shells? last time with Julia think thats what you said... regardless i guess;>assuming you have time before you need to help Rath with the Spiritus...>Check in on Tinker Tailor and November, and see what sort of modifications the former’s cooked up for your resident cyborg and her beloved Metall Geschoss.
>>4168746>"I'm worried to ask, but just "How much" information about me is out there for the public to see? I want to know because if everything about me is completely public, then that'll just put me and my family in more danger. And we both know it'll just get worse in the future as my family and I get stronger. I'll have more hunters sharpening their fangs, claws, and blades and going after me with the intent of getting my head. It's why West Alpha seemed to be engineered to counter my family.">Can you bring up all the records of each combat encounter that involved Alpha against groups of daughters? I want to compare and contrast the performances they had fighting against Alpha in comparison to size.
(Gentlemen, voting shall remain open for the next four hours from now. Apparently someone in my phone's IP has spammed 4chan, so I wasn't able to reply.)
>>4168804Well at least it's not our phone that died or the internet.
>>4168804oof, yeah thats happened to me before. even worse, had an odd glitch with that where i had to update my phone to stop that issue from happening everywhere once.
>>4168808Urgh that sounds just terrible.....I already hate it when i have to take care of a ban when my phones not glitched.... And it happens so much... well little i can do when my phone usually switches between twenty different networks a day
>>4168736Huh. She's retracting Shu's steps. Well, I guess that means that she's switched out her targeting from Francine to us, so using Shu to draw aggro in the fight should work well. I wonder why she's starting from the beginning, though? Maybe some sort of data-mining/curiosity thing, she can't find us where we're supposed to be so she's going to check everywhere we've been and figure out where we'd chose to be now from what she learns.
>>4168854I think she's trying to learn more about us. Didn't Sugar hint that West Alpha had a built in emotion suppressor? It's been mentioned that West Alpha clearly could feel emotions, but she couldn't express them openly unless that one forge core of hers was disabled. I think she's trying to retrace Shu's path and journey so she could try and experience how we felt (emotionally) since we woke up. The emotions that she missed. The emotions that she clearly craves to feel and express. And knowing that Shu could express her emotions through an empathy field, I think she's trying to learn more about the emotional side.
>>4168871Could be. I'm hesitant to assume such an innocent motivation to the horrible killer cyborg, but she might be looking to understand us not to better kill us but out of genuine interest. We are responsible for the biggest change in her existence, I can see her wanting to learn more about us to better come to terms with that change. I still worry that she's going to want to kill us, though. She's such a risk that coming to her trying to communicate peacefully isn't something we can really chance.
>>4168878>>4168871We could leave a phone for her lying on the ground and call her form a distant waystation......Though i am not sure it is a good idea. She could be using it to lure us into a trap. maybe with Wests control slipping she has regained some cunning and planning ability
>>4168881From what Francine told us about pre-cyborg Alpha, I'd think it would be the opposite, that she'd be less able to plan ahead without Prime to guide her. Though maybe there's a brutal cunning to her. I still think it's too much of a risk to try to reach out to her, though. It might leave a path open to taking her out more easily once her Cores are disabled, though, since that apparently damages the emotional inhibition. Manage to talk her down, stop struggling, be open to having her dreamstate consumed so that she can learn to come to terms with her strange new feelings in a safe environment. Or maybe that's wishful thinking, and she'll fight to the end.
>>4168881>>4168878Well when you think about it, West Alpha has always fought daughters in self-defense unless under strict orders by West Prime.Only when West Alpha was confronted by Daughters assuming a hostile intent to kill does she go all out, but she never reacts to an ambush, she never intentionally targets other daughters of her own volition. It's only when following West Prime's orders does she go for the initiative, but even then when she had to take West Tau back for recalibration, she told Tau to go in quietly and used violence when things came to a head.
>>4168897Yeah probably just wishful thinking.She might turn into a feral daughter pretty much the moment the inhibition is dropped because of all the feelings that will flood her mind suddenly. I just had a thought...... Our Empathic field... could we use it as a weapon to overwhelm her once we removed the suppressors?
>>4168881>>4168897Well, West Alpha is gunning for Shu anyways, so we might as well take the time to try and talk things out with her if she's willing to talk before it turns to violence. Another thing that I've noticed is that when West Alpha encounters scenarios, she adjusts accordingly. If her target responds with words (i.e. West Tau) West Alpha also responds with words. If her target responds with violence, West Alpha will also respond with violence.>>4168910West Alpha's emotions was already under a giant pressure cooker waiting to explode due to a Forge core module, trying to overwhelm her with emotions might be nice in combat, but a non violent solution might be nice. I have a feeling what West Alpha is seeking from Shu is simply a way to be understood by others due to the Forge Core emotion suppressor module installed on her person. Remember, when we destroyed the West Network we gave each proxy is given a chance to learn and grow onto their own. West Alpha was part of the network and was no different than Francine or Sigma.
>>4168746>>Check in on Tinker Tailor and November, and see what sort of modifications the former’s cooked up for your resident cyborg and her beloved Metall Geschoss.Are we Blaster Master now?>>4168907Yeah, but Francine said that was because she was being restricted, and in her natural state Alpha was much more violent. Then again, what is Alpha's "natural state" now? She's spent a while with her brain full of cybernetics, her personality could have shifted.
>>4168897Here's the hole in your argument that I'm seeing. Francine may have said that Alpha was emotionless when she encountered her older Proxy, but that may be at a time when Alpha already had the emotion suppressor installed and it was also when Alpha and the others were still hooked onto the West Network.
>>4168935Can I get a sourced quote?
>>4168935that reference has long since been revealed several veins ago.
>>4168941From Vein 34:>My neurodivergence from Prime is just evidence of a failed experiment. Maybe Prime didn't scoop out all that this girl was, or maybe she just didn't pour enough of herself into the empty mold. There's no telling where West ends and the mistake begins. Alpha came out broken, too. No curiosity, no will, just...nothing. Blank and cruel, like an errant child.Francine encountered Alpha when she was still fresh, apparently. She wasn't interested in talking, then. Like I said, it's possible that's changed over the past year or so of having cybernetics influencing her thinking.
>>4168953Yeah, but I want to be more overtly Blaster Master. Let the tank jump, that would be sick. No, I don't know when it would at all be useful, but it would be cool.
>>4168958If we can make the tank jump we might be able to make its climb and even participate in combat with claws or shit like that. Pretty much turn it into a hermit crab that can shoot..... Maybe we can crossbreed it with a mantis shrimp for extra short range effectiveness.
>>4168955The thing that I'm unsure of is that Francine's testimony didn't say the time difference between her creation and Alpha's creation, nor did it state the order in which the Proxies were created.
>>4168983They were created at the same time, according to Orwell's data file on Alpha.
I should head to bed now Good Night Anons Good Night OPI am really looking forward to seeing what will happen next
>>4169008Good night, anon. Sleep well.
>>4169008(Sleep well, Anon.)>>4168995(This is correct.)
>>4168995>>4169010Well then, Talk about Cain & Able, They're twins!
pokes head in sup im back need to catch up again also since the things broken for today this is gen. i just saw the thread up so was like ima stop in
>>4169030Hi, welcome back. Nice to see you.
i actually seriously tend to disapear a lot and then pop in for a bit binge read and then vanish again
>>4169030>>4169035(Gen! It's good to see you back, I was wondering the other day what you were up to.)
>>4169042really. im actually running my own quest right now so I've been keeping busy XDand working on arts stuff. so hows this quest been going since the last time I've been around. i mean in general i dont need a recap i can just read through the threads
>>4169035How long has it been since your last binge? Almath? Yurei? Laoc?
>>4169049(I'd say it's been going well. I've been having a great deal of fun with it, at least.)
>>4169050i think its been 10 threads give or take 2-3
its like i cant actually remember if it was like 33 or 27 or somewhere in between XD
which tells me i should really keep up with this quest more often
>>4169057>>4169063Do you remember anything to do with giant ants? Because that plot thread is delightful, you're going to enjoy it when you get there if you haven't already. In general the quest has been going well, we've been encountering a lot of cool stuff. Right now we're kind of stuck playing defensive against our current threat, it's got me a bit testy, but I'm still looking forward to the fight where we take them out.
>>4168746"I'm worried to ask, but just how much information about me is out there for the public to see?" You posit, and Orwell's subsequent cringe tells you all you need to know. "Listen - if everything about me is completely public then that'll just put me and my family in more danger, and we both know it'll just get worse in the future as my family and I get stronger. I'll have more hunters sharpening their fangs, claws, and blades and going after me with the intent of getting my head. It's why West Alpha seemed to be engineered to counter my family, since she knew exactly how to calibrate Alpha to be effective against us.""True...honestly, ever since you first fought Mara at the Envious City, you've had eyes on you. Your fights, your talks...everything's been compiled and archived." Orwell replies, gazing up at you with eyes that don't belong to her. "Really only your interactions with me or those you've had inside the Dragon's Roost have been out of the spotlight...and speaking as someone that's gotten used to the one-way mirror of media? It sucks, especially if you didn't ask for it.""Agreed...though it may work to our advantage just as much as it's worked for West." You say with a sigh. "Can you bring up all the records of each combat encounter that involved Alpha against groups of daughters? I want to compare and contrast the performances they had fighting against Alpha in comparison to size.""Sure, I'll work on rummaging through the archives for stuff Prime didn't scrub. Anything else you want me to keep an eye out for?""That, and if you find anything about Alpha that has changed to cover one of her weaknesses or what she is doing, then get back to me, yeah. Also, if you have to spring that psychic lure to pull her off our trail." You say, quickly adding once it occurs to you; "Oh, and one last thing... if she gets near Sam, then she might mistake her for me."The Joyous gives you two thumbs-up before the twinkle in her eye fades, Orwell's consciousness retreating from the construct and leaving it an empty shell of the little girl that's sleeping in the next room over. At her departure, your feet carry you to a door on the opposite side of the room, and you open the door to see Rath crafting the general shells of the Spiritus quartet you commissioned, the vague forms of your Dream Daughters coming together nicely before your hand guides the final product. A gentle wave from the left of the room catches your eye, and you turn to see November greeting you, though in a way you never expected.(Continued)
>>4169303The metal plates that make up the older woman's torso are splayed open, the intricacies of her inner workings laid bare as servos whir and gears tick away in time with her arrhythmic heartbeat. What truly takes you by surprise, however, is the biomass that pulses at the very core of her otherwise metallic chest; a heart that beats, a spine that twitches in the open air, and a myriad of neurons stretched between them and the mechanisms that make up the form she chose to take."Yo." She says simply, with Tinker Tailor striding over from the corner of the room with a strange contraption in her slight hands, a thing that is more meat than metal, at least compared to November's opened hull. "Don't mind all this, I'm about back to rights thanks to Tailor, here.""Notroubletrulymypleasuremypleasureindeed." The Artisan quickly states, gingerly slotting in the device in a ready-made niche within what you'd guess would be November's navel, if she were sealed. "ShuIhavetothankyoufortheRelicsyouretrieved. Thebrokenoneswilltakesometimetorepairbutyou'vebroughtmeawonderfulhaultoexamine.""Gogogo, seeforyourself." She urges you, gesturing rapidly to the table she came from, tucked into a corner of the room.>>GUNSLINGER’S LONGCOAT: A custom-made coat with an impressively dense weave, this neuron-lined outwear offers two levels of resistance to all elemental damage types when worn. Doubling as both fashion statement and solid all-round defense, this Relic ensures that the bearer will tackle horror in style. (Chest Slot: HEALTH +300%. November gains 2 Levels of resistance to ALL damage types when the longcoat is worn, as opposed to purely elemental.)>>PARANOID PENDANT: The red, bloodshot eye at the center of this organic pendant darts its gaze to and fro, its suspicious attention ceaselessly roving over its surroundings. When worn, the bearer's chance to evade attacks increases by 20%, and any successful evasion immediately allows the user to swiftly counter-attack, their retaliatory strike boosted by 1/4 the damage that would have been inflicted by the evaded blow. (Any Slot: HEALTH +80%. The Chance to evade increases to 25%, with the retaliatory strike's damage being boosted by 1/3 of the missed strike's power, instead.)>>ARBITER’S JUDGEMENT: One of Mara's select masterpieces, this Relic resembles a perfect pearl, its impossibly white sheen unblemished despite the wear and tear it should have suffered. Mara's Relic allows the user to act first in combat, along with any allies that occupy the same combat zone. What sets this Relic apart from imitators is the fact that this Relic's effects ignore any enemy effect that would serve to interrupt this item's activation, though allied abilities that proc off early initiative *do* activate. (INELIGIBLE FOR NOVEMBER'S FRAME DUE TO FORGE-CRAFTED BODY - WEST COUNTERMEASURES IN EFFECT)(Continued)
>>4169305"Impressive..." You murmur, running your hands over the surface of the perfectly round sphere, finding that is possesses a surprising weight when you test it in your palm. "...thanks for restoring these, Tailor. And what of the guns?""Alex'sMercyisundamagedthoughIhaveyettofinishmyworkontheothers.TheHungerpenaltyissomethingI'mtryingtofindawayaroundsoI'llneedsometime." She replies, sealing November's shell back as all of the older woman's disparate plates snap back into place, and she resembles the form you've grown accustomed to...plus some modifications. Her entire design's been optimized, her sleeker exterior no doubt having increased her overall speed while the subtle curvature of her frame offers greater protection against incoming attacks."Andifyouthinkthisisfun,thenyou'lllovewhatI'vedonewiththeGeschoss." Tailor hums, turning to you as she wrings her hands excitedly.>>NOVEMBER: HEALTH +500%, DEF+, SPD+. November may now fire pre-constructed elemental rounds, crafted at a Forge.>>METALL GESCHOSS: The Geschoss may now take advantage of its new thrusters, granting it considerable vertical and horizontal movement at rapid speed. When tethered to the tank, November now receives an additional ACT. What's more, the Metall Geschoss now rolls into combat with two of November's weapons spawned on its shell, and November may fire them as a free action when she attacks with the Geschoss. "Damn, I feel like a new woman." November says, rising from her seat on the cot as she admires her improved form. "Also, what was that last bit? That cube-thing?""Thatwasthebestpart!" Tinker Tailor exclaims breathlessly, the vacuous glasses of her mask shimmering in the glow of Rath's luminous arms only a short distance away. "It'sanintuitiveevolutiondrivethatallowsyouto'levelup'afewofyourweaponssystems, drasticallyincreasingtheircapabilitiesbyusingapoolofspecially-culturedbiomassasapre-paidlevelingcost!""...Paid by whom, exactly?" You ask, eyebrow cocked."Meofcourse." Tailor dismisses, watching intently as November generates her Porcupine in one hand, its form tremulous, the metal shuddering as Tailor's creation prepares to optimize a selection of the woman's armaments. November catches your eye, shrugging as Rath darts to your side, admiring her Aunt's ungraded form and practically vibrating in time with the weapon the other woman wields."Well, you two, I've got a couple of ideas as for what to boost...but I'd like some advice, if you're willing to chip in your two cents' worth.".She doesn't have to ask you twice...and where Rath's concerned, she didn't need to ask at all.>>PLEASE CHOOSE *THREE* OF NOVEMBER'S WEAPONS SYSTEMS TO ENHANCECharacter Sheets: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12N7NB6N8_CmjJJPUDMjijBBqSBNdvoYBc1um01TbXs0/edit?usp=sharingYOU ARE IN CONTROL
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>>4169309huh, wasn't expecting any of this for November. as far as sheets go folks, ill update hers once this votings done.speaking of, vote;>PORCUPINE>REX>KAISER FLARE
>>4169311thanks for running.also, you still want us to link you the fanworks stuff, or plans change?
>>4169330(That'd be great!)>>4169327(Yeah, Relic optimization is Tailor's specialty, so that extends fairly well into tinkering with November and the tank.)
>>4169309>>4169311So any luck with the Void Orrey?>Autumn Protocol>Porcupine>Nova Lung/Flare step
>>4169305>>GUNSLINGER’S LONGCOAT>>PARANOID PENDANTI'm tempted to put these on Shu for the upcoming fight. Might not be the best symbolically if it looks like we're carrying on Magpie's mantle after killing her to stop her doing bad things, but they'd give Shu a lot more survivability and if she's going to draw Alpha's aggro she'll need it.>>ARBITER’S JUDGEMENTOh, very nice. Free surprise round, that's great. Very good addition to our overall capabilities, the Arbiter Relics are way OP. I hope we get a look at the rest in the line, that would be really coo->(INELIGIBLE FOR NOVEMBER'S FRAME DUE TO FORGE-CRAFTED BODY - WEST COUNTERMEASURES IN EFFECT)Wait, what? West countermeasures in effect? Is this something to do with Alpha, like the Arbiter Relics were designed after Mara's fight with Alpha and she wanted to make sure that Alpha wouldn't copy any of her designs?>>4169309>>NOVEMBER: HEALTH +500%, DEF+, SPD+. November may now fire pre-constructed elemental rounds, crafted at a Forge.We should craft a few belt magazines of each element type, use them with her gunpod. >>METALL GESCHOSS:Hover tank, nice.
>>4169335(That bit deserves its own post, but yes - she's completed its repairs.)
>>4169342(All of the Arbiter Relics are crafted to be unusable for artificial Daughters.)
>>4169335personally i think Rex is a better bet. Autumn drains a core and its unlikely that will be whats fixed here. its also still alot harder to setup regardless.Rex gives her an upgrade to a hard hitting option that doesn't rely on lugging around extra cores or draining them to use. much more milage out of that. also, we plan to need Rex soon, so upgrading it would be a very good idea.just while im at it, even though we agree, Porcupine is basically her main gun she can use at any level, so upgrading it would be the most ideal. an Kaiser Flare has simply always done us supurb, so i think giving her stun more oomph could make a big difference in alot of fights.
>>4169347>incompatibility due to designOuch. >What truly takes you by surprise, however, is the biomass that pulses at the very core of her otherwise metallic chest; a heart that beats, a spine that twitches in the open air, and a myriad of neurons stretched between them and the mechanisms that make up the form she chose to take.This reminds me. I have yet to design a T-5 relic that would serve as a blackbox coffin capable of letting November survive the WinterFall initiative. Either that or a Pilot's ejection pod.
>>4169349The issue is that the REX railgun is available only when November has a T-5 Core installed. Meanwhile the Autumn Protocol is available at any core level.
>>4169311>>4169332here ya go. please, tell me if theres any changes you need to it, even if you are more or less just swiping the info up;https://docs.google.com/document/d/1comL20X2jUrPO0p7QMdFinwAwdXHre2F9A5bdXif7_k/edit?usp=sharing>>4169332>Relic Optimizationthats fair and i expected something, just not so much. made it sound like earlier for balance/other reasons November was at her limits she would be at for the rest of the game, once we got her new frame.>>4169347oh? Artificial Daughters? not just West Related Daughters?>>4169352wait... thought you did? or was that another Anon? because i know someone made something akin to that, i could've sworn.
>>4169361>wait... thought you did? or was that another Anon? because i know someone made something akin to that, i could've sworn.I had one in the works, but shelved it because I didn't know the exact criteria for a T-5 Relic and was uncertain if it would work. That's why it wasn't in the Relics Theorycrafting doc.
>>4169347I got that, I'm just wondering why. It's a strange function to have as a specific countermeasure to West. Maybe West makes much more use of cybernetics than we thought.>>4169349Sounds sensible to me. We should equip those two guns to the Geschoss, too. Rex as the main cannon, Porcupine as a coaxial mount.>>4169356But we only lose access to the Rex if we use the Autumn Protocol and have to go down to a weaker Forge Core. So we'd get more use out of an enhanced Rex than an enhanced Protocol.
>>4169356yeah, but that hardly matters when any use of Autumn makes her fully coreless. and she will have the T-5 in her most of the time anyways. she still will be able to do us significantly better with Rex at more times than she will with Autumn. and again, its ignoring we're about to have a fight we need that Rex to be a powerful as it can get for. its wholly worth the sacrifice of her needing a T-5 Core for Rex, for her to even the odds even a fraction more here for us against Alpha, especially without having to use an all or nothing move like Autumn that would leave her weakened and be too big a waste if she missed, which is likely.
>>4169369(You're on the right track, yes.)
>>4169369oh, me or you may be mis-reading that.i think the two guns the Geshoss can take in on TOP of her base Cannon, not replacing it. so she gets the two new guns, plus her free Geschoss cannon shot or her free amped up usage of a weapon system through the Geschoss now.>>4169347BHOP can say if im wrong there though, of course.
>>4169369>>4169379If West managed to jailbreak a Forge Core capable of crafting wetware compatible cybernetics with human technology, then West Prime would have been able to access the source code to Relic Technology. Given that West Prime and her other proxies have the tendency to install Conduit selves into the relics they create, it would make sense for Mara and Magpie to have anti-West countermeasures installed to prevent remote hacking/hijacking when interacting with any Relic Technologies developed by the Wests. Otherwise, West could easily hack into any Relic she so desires and take control of the entire system al la Liquid Snake in MGS4
>>4169372The Autumn Protocol would actually be counterproductive in this fight. Alpha absorbs heat damage. The Rex has the advantage than it ignores damage immunity, so it can actually hurt Alpha. We're going to need to craft Radiant damage bullets for all of November's other guns, but I'm not sure if that works for the Autumn Protocol given that it's fed directly from her Forge Core.>>4169381>oh, me or you may be mis-reading that.I think it's me. I actually assumed your interpretation as well, I just was hedging my bets in case it wasn't as good as I hoped.>>4169379Lovely. I'm going to guess that Prime herself has enough cybernetics in her for the Arbiter Relics to be incompatible, something to do with stabilizing her degeneration. Because there wouldn't be much point to making something like the Arbiter's Appetite not function for the cyborg Proxies if they could take it back for Prime to use. She's who it would benefit.
>>4169381(The guns are in addition to her cannon, yes.)
>>4169422Neat. We could triple-fire the railgun, then. One from November, one from channeling through the Geschoss' main gun, one from the slotted railgun copy. I think that would actually be a good opening move, try to punch out three of Alpha's four Forge Cores.
>>4169309Oh, and since I forgot to actually vote>>PLEASE CHOOSE *THREE* OF NOVEMBER'S WEAPONS SYSTEMS TO ENHANCE>Porcupine>Rex>Kaiser Flare
>>4169422awesome.oh, and how is Marco reacting to his new Guardians Heart, and November to the oddities him having it causes?or, actually, has that happened yet? or did we basically just technically see it finish up, due to how to tether a Guardians Heart to an owner?>>4169433im still unsure we can hope to do that so easily at all, but yeah, if nothing else getting some more railgun stakes through her before this becomes a tag-team brawl match will do wonders. or so we hope. not sure how i'll react if the shots just dont work on her, or worse, she like, snatches one from the air and throws it back just as hard.
>>4169439>not sure how i'll react if the shots just dont work on her, or worse, she like, snatches one from the air and throws it back just as hard.Yeah, that would be pretty horrible. I guess we could neuromancy stun her, first? There was nothing on her sheet about being immune to neuromancy. On the other hand, upgrades, so she might be now.
>>4169309>>>PLEASE CHOOSE *THREE* OF NOVEMBER'S WEAPONS SYSTEMS TO ENHANCE>>Porcupine>>Rex>>Kaiser Flare
>>4169309>>4169305Uh...... nice new toys to play withAnd the tank can really jump....... I am impressed you managed that Tinker>>4169309>>PLEASE CHOOSE *THREE* OF NOVEMBER'S WEAPONS SYSTEMS TO ENHANCEGonna have to agree with the other Anons here. This is little contests>REX>PORCUPINE>KAISER FLARE>>4169332As for Fan WorksHere is the link to my own workshttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1YHEpTq1YGphXNSKuIe2IsT1IEO48EbSxdHwDuILB5qo/edit?usp=sharingIt will bring you to a version of the sheet you can actually change stuff on but all other links will bring you back into my Archive version where only i can change things on. I will keep both versions up to date until further notice is given
>>4169309NOVEMBER – LEVEL UP>>M1918 B.A.R. 'PORCUPINE': The rhythm of war, the drumbeat of victory. November's right gauntlet slides back to bring the M1918 to bear; a repurposed Browning Automatic Rifle fit to fire spontaneously generated rounds directly from November's inner Forge. Dealing steady piercing damage at medium and long range and boasting the ability to continue firing all throughout the current turn when activated, this weapon places considerable stress on November's Forge when sustained over several rounds, its cost increasing by increments of 5% each round the assault is kept up (5%, 10%, 15%, and so forth). However, keeping this assault active grants higher damage and increased critical hit chance at NO COST to accuracy, with the flaring of the Forge also granting a stacking bonus to the next use of a plasma-related ability, boosting its damage drastically if the barrage is sustained over several rounds. UPGRADE: The Porcupine’s newly installed auto-calibration module now allows continuous fire to be maintained at no cost to November’s accuracy. What’s more, the stacking DAMAGE and CRITICAL HIT CHANCE bonus is now doubled, allowing the Porcupine to keep up more efficiently with November’s endgame weaponry. (Cost: 20%, 1 ACT)>>KAISER FLARE [TIER 2 ABILITY]: Light, heat, then...darkness. November opens her chestplate, sending forth a burst of blinding, searing light in a LONG-range conical area in front of her, automatically blinding all foes caught within its area of effect, an ailment that lasts THREE turns. Foes caught at close range are instead blinded for FOUR turns and have their critical hit defenses hit drastically, opening them up to further assault from November or her squad mates. UPGRADE: If a foe would somehow be immune to this status ailment, they are instead blinded for ONE turn, or TWO at close range as the flare’s intense roar and heat scrambles any and all sensory systems. (Cost: 50% HEALTH, 2 ACT)>>MODEL 90 SANDIA GAUSS RIFLE, 'REX' [TIER 5 ABILITY]: An experimental weapon, too unwieldy to be used by anyone other than the walking arsenal that is Heather Neeson. Loading a single, heavy round into this miniature railgun takes an ACT to perform, with the second ACT spent sending the projectile hurtling towards a single foe, inflicting a devastating blow that ignores any and all elemental or damage resistances IN ADDITION to IGNORING damage mitigation abilities. It's no matter, though; the slug also acts as a tracker, effectively tagging the impacted foe and increasing the accuracy of subsequent shots November fires at them to 100% while also boosting the follow-up’s DAMAGE and CRTICIAL HIT CHANCE by 30%. When the target absolutely, positively needs to have a cloud of lead delivered to their door...there's no better tool for the job when judgment comes knocking. (Cost: 300% HEALTH, 2 ACT)WEAPON DAMAGE - INCREASED(Continued)
>>4170536“Holy shit, this is awesome!” Rath cheers, inspecting every inch of her aunt’s recalibrated frame as you turn to Tinker Tailor once more.“I appreciate you doing all this, Tailor. You really didn’t have t-“Your thanks comes to a halt when you find the Void Orrery thrust into your face by the over-eager Flesh Artisan, the jet-black goggles of her mask reflecting your own bewildered expression.“IfixeditsohardsoveryhardbutIdidit!” She exclaims, practically shoving the device into your arms...and when you touch the glossy orbs of the Orrery, you feel something in your right dress pocket practically jump, the Silver Key reacting curiously to the Relic that’s been returned to you…>>VOID ORRERY (RESTORED): Tinker Tailor’s efforts to restore this odd device have been fruitful, restoring its unusual capabilities to full. Previously able to zoom out to view the sheer number of active Crucible’s, Tailor’s fine-tuning has allowed the Orrery to zoom in, granting you a map of your Crucible in addition to a monitoring system that allows you to run a search on any participants you’re familiar with and reveal their current location and status. What’s more is that during the restoration process, an odd link was detected between the Orrery and the Forge Cores…perhaps there’s a connection, something that could be turned into a meeting of minds across an incomprehensible gap…“…Interesting.” You murmur, the Silver Key’s insistent thrum dying down as you place the Orrery back on the table behind Tailor before addressing her once more. “Like I was saying, you really didn’t have to do all this. If there’s anything we can do to repay you, please know I’ll be happy to make the hard work you’ve put into all this well worth your while.”“Nononoyou’vegivenmesomanyfuntoystoplaywiththatI’vebeenrewardedseveraltimesovermyfriend.” The Flesh Artisan replies instantly, the shake of her head more a rapid snapping to-and-fro than anything natural to the human form. “Mytimewithyou’sbeenmostilluminating,andI’vemuchtoconsiderandincormporateintomyowndesigns.”“Speaking of designs, how’re they lookin’, Shu?” Rath calls out, and you turn to see her and November standing over the rough likenesses of Holly, Uzu, Johanna, and even Isabelle…the latter of which isn’t even defaced, which you half-expected given Rath’s grudge.“Nicely done.” You grin, the Silver Key still humming lightly against your thigh as you consider what to do next with the downtime available to you.>>Help Rath finish the Spiritus Shells, then install your Dream Daughters as the final touch.>>Look up a Daughter you’re curious about, just to see how the Orrery works.>>…Just out of curiosity, bring the Void Orrery and Silver Key together, to see what happens.>>Let Rath work on the shells a little longer, and go speak with (Write-In).>>Write-InYOU ARE IN CONTROL
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>>4170540Considering that a majority of us may be under stay-at-home orders, this is fine with me.Also, I would like your input on this custom ammunition that I recently designed.>Kidney Stone Shells (Customized Ammunition): The seed of a stone whose bones blossom into a flowery work of unlimited blades. This custom bullet shaped like a flowerbud behaves similarly to the Ravenous Parabellum bullet Shu's known to use. Embedding itself in its target and dealing incredible damage the longer it remains before bursting into an explosion of piercing and cutting damage. However, its namesake reveals a more terrible purpose to its design. Unlike the Parabellum bullet which leaves a hollow cavity that the target could simply heal from, the Kidney stone seed shell fills that void by rapidly growing into a stone flower of spears and blades that disrupts implanted relic augmentations and imposes a heavy blood tax on abilities that are fulled by the host's HP pool by a 20% total increase of its original cost. Heavy is the weight of such a beautiful stone flower, all will come know its terrible price.>>4170539>…Just out of curiosity, bring the Void Orrery and Silver Key together, to see what happens.TIME SEE WHAT THIS DOES.>Ask Rath to craft 5 Kidney Stone Shells (custom ammunition) as part of preparation.
>>4170539>while she might consider it sacrilege, hand Tinker the Artisenal Appetites and have her look over the anti-relic Abilities you plan to consume, so she can give you any insight into them, their interactions with your current power-sets, and anything else of note she may be able to help with. assuming the idea alone doesn't make her want to vomit in her gas mask.>Help Rath finish the Spiritus Shells, then install your Dream Daughters as the final touch.im curious if Tinker Tailors expertise cant help us here, and feel like letting our DDs get used to their bodies and relx in the real could help, aswell as would help with planning once we get to it to let them be around.>>4170547as for the Void Orrey and Silver key, lets not test that out just yet. that sounds like something that could end up being a massive rabbit hole, something best left for when we have more free time and less over our heads, so we can explore it and anything dealing with it to its fullest, over now when time IS limited and could be cut short depending on how things go.
>>4170550see>>4170551i really really do not want to do something like that right now, at all. that just does not sound like at all the type of thing we need to be digging into, especially right before something we need to be fully focused on. we already know that could be connected to some pretty important and hefty stuff, and i do not want to delve into that at all right now considering the circumstances.
>>4170539>you feel something in your right dress pocket practically jump, the Silver Key reacting curiously to the Relic that’s been returned to youWell, I guess that's a pretty strong hint that it is Crucible Maker tech. Gonna be interesting to see what that does once we have the time. Just the map and tracking is amazing, though, I wish we had this a long time ago. Can we cross-reference our Waypoint data with it? Would be neat to know the actual positions of the places we've got coordinates for but haven't been to yet.>>Help Rath finish the Spiritus Shells, then install your Dream Daughters as the final touch.>>4170540Works fine for me. And my day's alright, I suppose. How's yours been?
>>4170539>"Lookign good Rath one second though........ I will be right with you">while she might consider it sacrilege, hand Tinker the Arbiters Appetites and have her look over the anti-relic Abilities you plan to consume. Assuming she is okay with that>Help Rath finish the Spiritus Shells, then install your Dream Daughters as the final touch.>>4170556Yeah yeah i had changed my mind shortly after posting my first vote. This is probably a massive Rabbithole and could quite possibly lead to Shu passing out or experiencing a reset or something>>4170540That is fine with me.... I will need a lot of sugar to stay productive however.
>>41705408-9 EST would work better for me, but yeah i can be there for sure.as for my day. not bad. need to grab lunch and do some shopping, but i mean all things considered unless the store is even worse than before, is going and wont be bad.>>4170557to be fair, the fact it mapped out all the crucibles and was able to go beyond just ours was pretty good indicator of that. and yeah, gonna be interesting actually being able to, well, map things out. does though feel a bit like what we DIDNT in part want to do with FuzzzBuzzes and such though, aka, become big brother tracking everyone and everything.>>4170547>custom roundits alright, not at all bad mind you. but i think it has similar issues as stated about past ideas where it feels like it just overlaps and takes the wind out of, well, the parabellums sails too much.
>>4170557>>4170550Any inputs on the custom bullet I made? I plan to use it on West Alpha. If it gets the green light of approval, I'll put down an order of 6 of those bullets. One for each limb on West Alpha.>>4170551That's rather insightful of you for asking Tailor's opinions on the Relic based abilities with Arbiter's Appetites. I could go with that.
>>4170547The bullet is interesting. Could be of limited use against Alpha. Though having a couple of them for backup might be useful
oh, also, ill be waiting to update Novembers sheet til after the level up, that way i can just lump it all in with Ver.4, if thats alright with everyone.>>4170565>>4170561honestly im unsure if its worth it on Alpha. it both may not work correctly on her nor be as effective due to her metal frame nature.oh, i did misread it and missed the anti-relic part though. but again, its a sub-dermal type round and effect on someone who simply might not have something that properly counts as that anymore.
>>4170561>to be fair, the fact it mapped out all the crucibles and was able to go beyond just ours was pretty good indicator of that. and yeah, gonna be interesting actually being able to, well, map things out. Oh, sure, but there was the possibility that someone else who had encountered the Crucibles made it. But if it's reacting to a Relic that the weird void god we met called "one of our toys", then it's probably their work, too. >does though feel a bit like what we DIDNT in part want to do with FuzzzBuzzes and such though, aka, become big brother tracking everyone and everything.We'll just have to use it responsibly and only get broad-scope location metadata on anyone who's not an enemy. We can spy on foes, but anyone we have a friendly or even neutral relationship with we'll only check on them when we want to meet with them and can't get in touch, so we look up where they are and head to that general area.>>4170565>Any inputs on the custom bullet I made? I plan to use it on West Alpha. If it gets the green light of approval, I'll put down an order of 6 of those bullets. One for each limb on West Alpha.It's a decent addition to any anti-Relic countermeasures we have to fight Alpha with, though depending on what the skills available to us are we might not need it. But hey, redundancy is good, better to have anti-Relic options and not need them than need them and not have them.
>>4170571definitely sounds good. No need to make more than one update to something like taht.
>>4170561>its alright, not at all bad mind you. but i think it has similar issues as stated about past ideas where it feels like it just overlaps and takes the wind out of, well, the parabellums sails too much.I understand where you're getting at. It's a bullet that has similar functions to the innate ammunition that we're capable of using and there's bound to be heavy overlap no doubt about it. It would be a custom munition in our case because of our core class but it's also bound to be an innate bullet type for gunners of the Calcite Armorer variety. But I think the same could be said from the other side of the fence if we played Shu as a Calcite armorer and me introducing a bullet like this. Just think of this as us adopting a part of Magpie's MO, make a bullet for every occasion.>>4170572>>4170568Have we ever thought of using it to run a search on West Alpha? The Void orrey is basically now the ultimate scrying orb with even better tracking than Orwell's Panopticon.
>>4170571I think as stated it should work on a full-conversion cyborg, but at a penalty. Wedging into the target's body and pushing bits apart would still mess up a cyberbody like Alpha's, but because there isn't a weak point of connection between flesh and machine it wouldn't be able to disrupt things as much. >>4170578>Have we ever thought of using it to run a search on West Alpha? The Void orrey is basically now the ultimate scrying orb with even better tracking than Orwell's Panopticon.It's definitely going to be useful when we're tracking her down for a confrontation.
>>4170578we can do that just before we search her out to see her initial status and then hit her where it hurts most. Also maybe it can reveal hidden weaknesses not even the Skintalkers could get access to.
>>4170578>>4170581for the bullet, im holding out full judgment and voting making it til we see the Contenders upgrades at the very least. for all we know a loophole or work around could make it irrelevant, or give us a better way to do it. i mean, possibly unlikely, but still.>>4170578well, we already know what West Alpha is doing and have eyes on her. would let Orwell focus on some other things, but i dont think she WANTS to. on top of the fact she can do it continuously and thats basically her job, saving us from having someone staring at the Orrey for the next while.at the moment at least, no reason to do that. maybe double check like right before like others are saying, so we can get a better layout over the semi-limited Orwell seems to possibly have, but not really useful at the exact moment.plus, Orwell might get upset an orb is replacing her.
>>4170578i will say it feels like it should focus entirely on being anti-relic, over overlapping functions with the Parabellum. that, or as drawback/contingency move, make it a cost upgrade to pre-made Parabellum rounds only able to be done at a forge or something.
>>4170540Oh shit, BHOP. the lightning jaw was in Hollys old shell. That get destroyed it what? Tinker Tailor have it to repair or something?Also linking >>4169439Again just cause i can and Marco hasn't been seen in a bit.
>>4170574>>4170572>>4170571A thought occurred to me. Just like how we tagged Holly with a Dominus bloodline and safely extracted her before her shell was destroyed by Magpie's Satellite laser, We should attach a Subversive Recursive Dominus Plateling (a Recursive Plateling with the subversive augmentation active with the Dominus Bloodline Modifier) onto each Spirit shell to act as Emergency life-lines for our Dream Daughter Pilots.>>4170591Thanks for you input. I'll go revise the bullet's design and see what I can come up with. Any thoughts on the bullet's abilities to impose a blood tax on the host (basically it increases the cost of any ability that requires HP to use)? I thought it would be in line with the kidney stone thing where passing the kidney stone is really painful.
>>4170595(The Lighting Jaw was retrieved, so it's fine.)>>4170595(Ah, sorry for missing this earlier - in the downtime post-CONSUME vote, he'll be making an appearance, no worries.)
>>4170596>We should attach a Subversive Recursive Dominus Plateling (a Recursive Plateling with the subversive augmentation active with the Dominus Bloodline Modifier) onto each Spirit shell to act as Emergency life-lines for our Dream Daughter Pilots.It would be a Succling, actually, those are what allow us to connect Dominus Bloodlines without line of sight. Our biggest problem is that we've only got the two Bloodlines that we can make at a time. We can swap them fast, but we'll have to be quick on the draw if one of the Shells goes into Death's Door.>Any thoughts on the bullet's abilities to impose a blood tax on the host (basically it increases the cost of any ability that requires HP to use)? I thought it would be in line with the kidney stone thing where passing the kidney stone is really painful.Feels like it's kind of distracting from the anti-Relic function of the bullet. Maybe if it only affected Relic powers that cost Health, like Sui Tormentis and the like.
>>4170596I don't think that allows for extra Dominous, so wouldn't really help.>BulletIts alright, but doubling up on too many things i think for one round type.>>4170598Ah, good on the relic and neat on marco too.
>>4170539>>4170547 Amending my vote>while she might consider it sacrilege, hand Tinker the Arbiter's Appetite Relic and have her look over the anti-relic Abilities you plan to consume, so she can give you any insight into them, their interactions with your current power-sets, and anything else of note she may be able to help with. assuming the idea alone doesn't make her want to vomit in her gas mask.>Help Rath finish the Spiritus Shells, then install your Dream Daughters as the final touch.>Spawn Subversive Recursive Succ-Platelings and attach one onto each Spirit shell to act as Emergency life-lines for our Dream Daughter Pilots.>Make small talk with Rath, you haven't actually had a one on one talk with her at all for a long time.>"So how are things going with you Rath?">"Any thoughts about all of this West Alpha mess?">"Got any personal plans you think you'd like to share?" >"I don't want to impose anything upon you, I just want to hear about your honest thoughts unfiltered.">"You know...during that fight with Magpie, I saw something that might give you ideas. Magpie had crippled Ace and I thought that Jackie would simply stabilize her and leave her be. But you know what she did instead? She basically picked up Ace and fused with her, turning Ace into Power Armor and keeping the downed daughter safe while stabilizing her at the same time! I didn't even know they managed to develop a Dual Technique like that!">simply watch as Rath just slowly turns her head to stare at you the gears in her head starting to rev up.>"So what if you and Heather took a page out of their playbook?"A note to BHOP: Tryphphilic Hive is missing the entry file of the Rook Class Swarmling.This is a bamboozled post.
Speaking of Spirit Shells, what happens if we had multiple types of swarmling? We're almost certainly going to junk Magpie's Core for stats, but suppose we kept it. Spirit Shells get all the traits and upgrades afforded to our swarmlings, so would keeping the Core and having Magpie's crow swarmlings make our Shells start taking on corvid traits?
>>4170653Probably. Though as long as that Core is still pretty weak(especially considering the original power holder of the Spiritus was insect based as well) it would probably stay pretty weak in that part.
>>4170661>>4170653>>4170625>>4170595Revised the Kidney Stone Shell.>Kidney Stone Shells V.2 (Customized Ammunition): The seed of a stone whose bones blossom into a flowery work of unlimited blades. A bullet in the shape of a stone flower seed that bypasses any piercing resistance when embedding itself into its target. Unlike the other munitions forged, this bullet does not damage its host nor does it deal damage over time. Instead, it feeds itself upon the blood its host. Rapidly growing into a stone flower of spears and blades that disrupts implanted relic augmentations and imposes a heavy blood tax on Relics and abilities that are fueled by the host's HP pool by a growing 10/15/20/25% total increase of its original cost for each round it remains in its host. Heavy is the weight of such a beautiful stone flower, and in their attempts to pass on the burden, all will come know its terrible price.
>>4170637>>4170539eh, im against bringing up the Ace thing, basically mostly due to the fact im against that idea in the first place.>>4170653im still highly of the opinion on not taking anymore levelables without replacing something to do so, temporary anti-relic abilities being the temporary exemption, of course.
>>4170669>eh, im against bringing up the Ace thing, basically mostly due to the fact im against that idea in the first place.Yeah, we should probably leave that out. I don't think it would even work for Rath and November, even if it was something we wanted to do.>im still highly of the opinion on not taking anymore levelables without replacing something to do so, temporary anti-relic abilities being the temporary exemption, of course.Oh, I am too, I'm just wondering for curiosity's sake. Crow-bugs sound interesting from an aesthetic standpoint.
>>4170637>>4170539>while she might consider it sacrilege, hand Tinker the Arbiter's Appetite Relic and have her look over the anti-relic Abilities you plan to consume, so she can give you any insight into them, their interactions with your current power-sets, and anything else of note she may be able to help with. assuming the idea alone doesn't make her want to vomit in her gas mask.>Help Rath finish the Spiritus Shells, then install your Dream Daughters as the final touch.>Spawn Subversive Recursive Succ-Platelings and attach one onto each Spirit shell to act as Emergency life-lines for our Dream Daughter Pilots.>Make small talk with Rath, you haven't actually had a one on one talk with her at all for a long time.>"So how are things going with you Rath?">"Any thoughts about all of this West Alpha mess?">"Got any personal plans you think you'd like to share?" >"I don't want to impose anything upon you, I just want to hear about your honest thoughts unfiltered."Amending my vote again.>>4170611>Our biggest problem is that we've only got the two Bloodlines that we can make at a time. We can swap them fast, but we'll have to be quick on the draw if one of the Shells goes into Death's Door.Well, we could have gotten more if we invested more levels into Exsanguinating Leash and Gina's Neuromancy instead of hybridizing them immediately at level 5.
>>4170681>Well, we could have gotten more if we invested more levels into Exsanguinating Leash and Gina's Neuromancy instead of hybridizing them immediately at level 5.Possibly. Dominus Bloodline has been very useful for us, though, so I don't regret it. And resolving to assemble them at level ten would just mean another ten levels we'd be missing from somewhere else to make the hybrid.
>>4170667much better. still feels like its doubling up on things a bit, but i think alot of that feeling is also just how out of the blue and unrelated the two are, but id still argue that does matter.>>4170679I mean, like i said, i withhold lot of opinions on that til i see the things. unlikely as it is, maybe it IS worth replacing something on Shu with it. again, almost certainly not, but not impossible either. ...you know, an option we do have is, we could take something and just keep it in the Goregrowth Box until we're ready to use it as hybrid material, such as something like Magpies core. wait til Shus Core is maxxed and can be hybridized with anything at a lower rung, then pop in and make crow-bugs.not saying we do or that would be the best option, just an example of another way to use the Goregrowth box without it impeding upon using things we want to use immediately. >>4170681possibly, but we also dont know that for sure, nor how many or how soon. it could easily be the wait just for more would not of been worth not having the Dominus.
>>4170690Hmm....I think I just had a stroke of inspiration. Let me revise the bullet one more time in order to make it in line with the weaponization of "Pain and problems when passing a kidney stone" theme.
>>4170667>Kidney Stone Shell V.3: The seed of a stone whose bones blossom into a flowery work of unlimited blades. A bullet in the shape of a stone flower seed that bypasses any piercing resistance when embedding itself into its target. Unlike the other munitions forged, this bullet does not damage its host nor does it deal damage over time. Instead it rapidly grows into a large and heavy stone flower over time that places a growing restriction upon it's host for each round that passes. The effect is shown as follows:>After one round, The Host's most expensive innate ability becomes restricted from use, overriding the restriction requires a paying a tax equal to 5% of the ability's original cost.>After two rounds, The Host's second most expensive innate ability also becomes restricted from use, the same restrictions apply. >After three rounds, the stone flower matures. The Host's three most expensive abilities and a single equipped Relic are now restricted by the bullet's heavy burden from use unless the tax is paid, and the tax is increased to 10% of the original price of any restricted ability.>Any new Kidney Stone Shells after the first one will place their burdensome tax on the next most expensive ability that hasn't been restricted by a Kidney Stone Shell.>Heavy is the weight of such a beautiful stone flower, and in their attempts to pass on the burden, all will come know its terrible price.>>4170690>>4170611Revised the Kidney Stone Shell bullet. This is version 3. It's taken a sharp swerve from the previous design. It's more to restrict the use of West Alpha's big ticket abilities and tax her ability to create relics by putting a price that West Alpha HAS to pay in order to use them. Thoughts?
>>4170725i mean, its useful yes, though still feels like the anti-relic part gets tacked on.it also actually is much less useful against Alpha as she uses very few actual abilities. most of her stuff seems to come from permanent relics and artifacts. it would be useful against normal daughters, but not really her. only getting some anti-relic usage out of it on round three is also way too long a wait time for use on someone whos main focus is using relics.
>>4170725I think this is actually less useful against Alpha. For one thing, Alpha doesn't appear to spend anything on crafting Relics unless she's doing one-off boosters. She doesn't actually have a Bio pool, she just has some abstracted ability to craft Relics. For another, Alpha doesn't have many abilities outside the Relic-crafting that we know of (she's probably got some super-attack that she's never been forced to use before), just the Generating Halo's rocket thrust and a beam cannon in her chest.
>>4170734and lets not forget the beam could easily be related to the super forge core, which doesn't count as relic or ability.
>>4170739>>4170734I did realize that as I was designing it. I was hoping that West Alpha's Relic Creation would be count as one of her more Expensive abilities in terms of HP cost whenever she flash forges one with her HP pool where The kidney stone shell would then put a tax on it. making her spend more to create one and not get the full refund due to the tax imposed by the Kidney stone upon the relic's creation.
>>4170777thats a pretty big 'if' and would not at all be surprised if all of that is wrapped up in the artifact/relic itself, and is not at all effected by ability based negations and the like.
>>4170777As far as we know Alpha only spends Health on crafting when making one-off booster Relics, which is probably a function of the Relics themselves. For regular Relics she appears to have a pool of dedicated pre-treated Biomass that she can recycle endlessly. That was Mara's strategy in her fight against Alpha, sabotage Relics with bombs so that when Alpha consumed them for recycling they'd harm her. If the anti-Relic abilities we have to eat can't do something like that, we should make some sapping charges to plant on Alpha's weapons.
>>4170784>>4170791Well i hope that the abilites we can get will devour the Biomass that is pretreated giving her less and less she can recycle if she decides to recycle. giving her less options as the fight progresses.Even if we cant make them hurt her we can try and run her dry of her most powerful stuff. Hopefully quickly
>>4170784>>4170791>>4170807Grrr....I was hoping that I could do SOMETHING with the bullet. KSS V.3's very good in it's design and other purpose of restricting a normal enemy's big ticket ability, but it doesn't fulfill the original purpose which is disabling Relics. At the same time I don't want to introduce a munition THAT powerful. Here's the fourth iteration.>Kidney Stone Shell V.4: The seed of a stone whose bones blossom into a flowery work of unlimited blades. A bullet in the shape of a stone flower seed that bypasses any piercing resistance when embedding itself into its target. Unlike the other munitions forged, this bullet does not damage its host nor does it deal damage over time. Instead it rapidly grows into a large and heavy stone flower over time that places a growing restriction upon it's host for each round that passes. The effect is shown as follows:>After one round, a single Relic slot becomes restricted from use, overriding the restriction requires a paying a tax equal to 10% of the Relic ability's original cost.>After two rounds, a second Relic slot also becomes restricted from use, the same restrictions apply. >After three rounds, the stone flower matures. Three of the Host's Relic slots are now permalocked and disabled for the duration of combat until the Stone flower is removed.>Any new Kidney Stone Shells after the first one will place their burdensome tax on the any Relics that haven't been restricted by a Kidney Stone Shell.>Heavy is the weight of such a beautiful stone flower, and in their attempts to pass on the burden, all will come know its terrible price.
>>4170807we;ll seefor all we know one of the abilities turns any relic we physically touch into an allied snake variant of said relic for all the info we have on them.>>4170808er, i think i get what you might mean, but the wording there i do think needs to be changed at least. normal daughters dont have relic slots, and as far as we are aware West Alpha does not work off that model either. its a unique trait to Novembers specific frame, as far as we are aware.
>>4170808Do we have something like Relic Slots? I know November has them but would the Relics she use necessarily be linked to slots?God to know what kind of things we will need ot craft we will probably have to spy on WAlpha and then make the relics to speifically counter what she can do.maybe make some bullets of 'West Alpha slaying' dealing tons of extra damage against her and overriding all abilites that would grant her immunity against such attacks but are expensive and only work on her......... I know a DND concept but i think something worth considering
Fuck, how is Shu still alive
>>4170824Oh hey. How are you? I was getting kinda worried since you didnt show the last few veins.Were you sick?
>>4170824Oh Hi there. Where have you been?
>>4170824im still curious who this is. no way they dont actually enjoy the quest to keep this up, but it also feels utterly weird for someone to otherwise keep that joke alive unless there was another reason. still hedging bets its someone BHOP knows to some level myself.
>>4170841that is a good question but probably not one anyone can answer but that anon themselves.My bet. His wive...... This is her way of fulfilling her guilty pleasure
(Gentlemen, I'll likely post here within the next hour or so, as work's kept me busy today. Thank you for your patience, and take care.)>>4170824(Hello there, good to see you're alright. I was wondering where you were.)>>4170841>>4170856(It's not her, I confirmed.)
>>4170860its no problem. hope works not eating you down too hard.and i didn't think it was your wife. someone you know sure, but i feel like your wife would simply be able to add more flair to it, if only because she would know you too well.
>>4170860>(It's not her, I confirmed.)Ah alright then worth a shot then. The pure simplicity of it all would have been quite niceHope they aren't driving you into the ground at work
>>4170539“I know you might think it’s sacrilege, but would you be willing to use this to check out some of the Relic-based countermeasures Gina and the others were able to cook up?” You ask, extending the Arbiter’s Appetite to Tinker Tailor, hesitating when she shakes her head, tapping her goggles.“Noneed,Icanseeanycounterstomycurrentabilitiesautomatically. MyscannerslitupthesecondIlaideyesonthepileofbiomassoutside.” She informs you, jerking a thumb towards the half-open door as a murmur of voices filters in from just beyond its threshold. “You’vegottwoskilltreesandoneaugmentation. Theskillstreesarenastyones; onecanmakenewly-generatedRelicsandConstructscomeoutstillbornandtheotherallowstheusertostealafoe’sheldRelicsandusethematnocostforafewsecondsbeforethey’rereturnedtotheowner.”“Neat…and the Augment?” You add.“ThatonereducesthedamagesustainedfromsuccessiveRelic-originatingattacksfromasingleRelic-user,quicklyreducingtheirdamagetonothingifthey’remainlyusingattacks.” She explains, shuddering in place before adding; “I’mgladI’veneverhadtofaceanythingwiththat.I’dbeSOL.”Thanking the quirky Artisan for her time, you turn your attentions to Rath as November politely excuses herself, exiting the room to relax with the others that are gathered outside, granting you a moment alone with her…or as alone as you’re going to get with Tailor busily tinkering away in the corner of the simple room."So how are things going with you, Rath?" You ask, putting some finishing touches on the quartet of Spiritus Shells as she takes a reprieve from her swift work. "Any thoughts about all of this West Alpha mess? I don't want to impose anything upon you, I just want to hear about your honest thoughts unfiltered.""Shit man, just...I want her dead just as much as Prime, at this point." Comes her weary reply as she lies down on the floor beside you, watching you tweak the shells' chitinous faces to be a bit closer to the genuine articles. "I dunno, I...I wanna get to the Cord. I wanna END all this so bad that my palms are gettin' itchy, if that makes sense?""Ha, yeah. It really does." You chuckle weakly, and Rath returns a little half-smile that crinkles the her freckled cheeks. "Got any personal plans you think you'd like to share?""What, for like...after we win?" She asks, and you just leave it ambiguous with a slight shrug. "Fuck...haven't really thought of it. It's not so much that I got plans, and more like...I can tell how much it's weighing on everybody right now. I'd love to keep fighting, keep getting stronger and everything, but for their sake? Hell, for yours? I just want to break this whole goddamn thing so it can't hurt anybody anymore...everything after that's just gravy."(Continued)
>>4171004"I know I'm not as perceptive as Dorian or Jules, and I don't have the...mind-meldy thing like you and Gina have, but I can tell that the fighting is a lot. For everybody." The red-head continues, turning her gaze to the ceiling as you pause your work, content to allow the girl beside you to speak freely for the first time in a while. "Aunt Heather's back in the fight, and she sure as shit doesn't deserve that. Dorian and Julia deserve to have a fuckin' date that isn't interrupted by the monster of the week, or day, or hour, or what-the-fuck-ever.""And Francine!" Rath declares, throwing her hands towards the ceiling. "I was suspicious as all hell of her to start, and now that she's just tryin' to sort herself it's been nothing but Proxy drama for her. I mean, she's taking it like a champ, but it still ain't easy. Amara deserves a childhood that isn't pumping out clones and studying how to kill from a goddamn space ninja...or maybe she does, fuck it. Maybe that's her jam. Maybe she hasn't gotten the chance to figure out what she is and what she isn't, 'cause the Crucible hasn't given her a choice in the matter. It's just thrown us all into the grindhouse, and fuck whatever we want, right? I mean, you and Gina...""...me and Gina?" You prompt when Rath trails off."I 'unno, dude. You...you love each other. It's awesome, and...but I hate that you two can't get a fucking break.""Ha, I think we're making due." You laugh, and Rath's brow furrows."None of us should have to just 'make due'." Rath retorts angrily. "Fuck that noise! We're gonna kick Alpha's ass, kick West's ass, kick the Cord's ass, and whoever elses' ass until we get what we're due, and fuck 'making due'. We deserve a happy ending for all the shit we've been through.""What's yours look like?""Huh?" The younger girl asks, cocking one eyebrow at you as you lean back on your palms, holding off a moment on activating the Spiritus shells on account of the conversation."Your happy ending." You clarify. "You've talked about me, Gina, Julia, and everyone else, but you haven't mentioned yourself. So? What's due to you, once we finish this thing?""Ha, uh...haven't really thought about that, if I'm bein' honest." Comes her sheepish reply. "I guess...hanging out with everybody, seein' what we're all like when we're not in Battle Royale mode. Getting Aunt Heather's body back, if that's a thing that can happen. Ha, maybe spending time with you an' GG, if you don't mind a third wheel.""We'd make a bitchin' tricycle." You counter, forcing a bark of laughter out of the girl beside you before she goes quiet, mulling over your question from earlier. Just watching her for a moment, you wonder what else she'd be willing to share, in this simple, vulnerable moment of privacy.>>Ask about what sort of world she'd like to see, after all this.>>Ask about the other Crucibles.>>Ask her again about what she really wants. >>Ask about Lara.>>Write-InYOU ARE IN CONTROL
>>4171004huh, neat. the stillborn and damage reduction both sound superb, but the relic stealing one honestly doesn't sound very useful at all.>>4171010>Ask about what sort of world she'd like to see, after all this.the Lara one feels too personal and asking her a repeat question feels a bit forced. and the other Crucible ones is... a bit weird honestly. i guess BHOP is trying to give us an excuse to use the Void Orrey, but i still dont think its a time for that, and without it that question honestly feels out of place.
(Gentlemen, voting shall remain open until 7:00PM, Eastern time, at which point the CONSUME vote will drop alongside a welcome reunion, per the dice rolls. Now, what I'll likely do is pause posting for the afternoon tomorrow to allow myself ample time to complete the level-up flavor text and compilation, with posting to resume some time in the early evening, as we're working at half our normal headcount at work due to state law. It's part of why things have been so hectic these past few weeks, and I once again thank you all for having patience with my chaotic schedule. Let me know if that works for you, and stay safe.)(Bamboozled to re-add my trip.)
>>4171028(Ah, the Crucibles question had more text that I ended up having to cut for space. It was essentially asking that if she wants everyone to have a happy ending, then since there will still be other Crucibles out there then how she feels about a threat still swimming about in space. It didn't really have anything to do with the Void Orrery, at least not how I intended.)
>>4171010>>Ask about what sort of world she'd like to see, after all this. And what she thinks her place will be afterwards in the new World
>>4171031oof, that sounds pretty bad. i guess i dont know your job, but it sounds pretty computer oriented so im surprised they havent just made you all work from home, but i guess that may not be possible.i suppose that works. technically a bit earlier than id like, but more for just personal reasons than anything i cant bend to. plus, i suppose compared to usual starting at 6 EST means we might all actually get to bed at a reasonable time, though the later starting time also means that wouldn't be as big an issue as usual... but hey, that just means more time to recover from it too, so alls good.>>4171037oh, ok. yeah if we're just asking her her opinion on the other ongoing Crucibles and possibly what to do about them, that does change things.>>4171028>>4171010ill add;>Ask about the other Crucibles.aswell. with that explanation its both safe to ask and actually a very good question to bring up. we Anons have mildly talked about it, but more in a passing memey sense. though to be fair we also never knew just how bad it was out there for a good while. have a feeling we're not planing to go down the 'shut down all crucibles' route, but i also dont trust that route either and what that might actually mean on said route.
>>4171010>Ask her again about what she really wants. Fuck it, I'm going for the Shu/Gina/Rath OT3. Plus Shu's earned her trust and companionship, so I want to show her that she can let down her guard for Shu and share her most intimate desires with complete support.
>>4171069>Fuck it, I'm going for the Shu/Gina/Rath OT3please dont, i dont need that level of joy sapped from my enjoyment of this quest...
>>4171076It would be doing the opposite and adding joy for me. So I'm sorry, but no.They're all really good together.
>>4171090i disagree with that heavily, they really arent, especially with how people are pushing it. its already annoying enough how much people harp on those elements as it is. but fine, noted. i ask you stop using Carter then please.
>>4171031You're considered essential enough that they haven't sent you home, too? My condolences, BHOP. Get some rest in when and where you can, friend.
>>4171106I... never used Carter? For anything?Are you confusing me for someone else?
>>4171116oh, grah.im confusing your username with another due to color similarity and my contact for some reason being dry as hell today.figures someone with only three posts would appear only to push shipping nonsense.
>>4171121>>4171106I had a write-in ready and such for this vote about asking Rath what she really wants. But because you're that... defensive about things Then, let me make this clear. This write-in is more about Giving Rath the opportunity to be selfish for just once in her life in order to combat the mental corruption that her Vitruvian core imposes on her mind instead of a Segway for a 3-some. Because the corruption from Tensile Strands as a vitruvian ability feels like it's about stretching yourself and being so selfless to the point that it almost feels like a Martyrdom complex. And we really don't want Rath to go down like that. Angry and hotheaded to the point where she'll constantly sacrifice her life and her future for her family's sake, which was the same struggle and trauma Rath suffered when she was a child. If we don't address this issue, we'll end up letting Rath make the same mistakes that led to her previous family's ruin.>>4171010>"As the leader of this family, I constantly have to weigh my decisions, between about what's best for us, what's best for the world, and what I want for myself. Every time we go out there and fight I have to balance the lives of everyone in my hands when I send out orders. And I always try my best to take care of everyone in the downtime.">"But at times I feel like I've been stretched thin. So many spinning plates to juggle. Each of them threatening to fall off.">"You're Courageous, you're passionate, you can obliterate a mountain with a punch, and you've been so selfless. Putting yourself constantly on the frontlines for our sake.">"You've done so much for everyone, for your friends, for your family, just constantly stretching yourself to the limit and keep everyone safe and happy.">"Sometimes I get the feeling that you've been stretching yourself too thin. And it scares me at times. You never told us if you wanted anything.">"Sometimes...being selfless can be a bad thing.">"Rath, is there anything you yourself would want? Something for yourself?">"I'm asking you to be selfish for once. It's okay you can't think of anything at the moment. Just think about it. But when you do think of something...">"Let me know what Rachel Neeson wants for herself."
>>4171010>>4171155That looks pretty good. Supporting.I've unfortunately been burned out on making the long write-ins that this quest thrives on some time ago. Wish I could find that energy again.
>>4171155And I now realized that there are things on that write-in that do not fit what I'm trying to convey to Rath. Let me go take a 30 minute walk and revise this when I get back.
>>4171155i guess that works, not perfect but its not bad.honestly id not have really thought you meant that without the first warning, possibly even by itself, but especially just with the actual explanation about your worries about her corruption, that alone is enough context.as for said corruption, mind you yours isnt stepping over the line or anything, but more it brings up the topic. any more direct or even heavy indirect work on it i still think will require us to actually understand corruption a bit better, Raths especially. or well, Vitruvian i guess, but technically same thing more or less. still also think we need to at least talk to November about it. i dont really think talking to her actual, real family about our concerns over a friend is not trusting Rath or going over her head, especially when you take into account on some level Corruption is something you actually cant fight against. i mean, Vitruvian to some level might be, but it is still an unnatural force to some level poking at you constantly. changes things a bit i think, over if it was fully just her natural emotional state we were not trusting.>>4171174personally i just like to save it for when it feels like it matters more, aswell as i just like seeing what BHOP himself comes up with, which i feel at times doesn't get to happen as much. not as much recently, but there have been times when its felt like our long write-ups have been excessive and unnecessary, myself included a bit.>>4171180thats fine i guess. personally i dont think we need to make this conversation at all even slightly heavy or pressing. her corruption actually isnt that far along and while there may be issues, i dont think they have actually shown up in any way that seems too strong to need to press.that, and trying to go too heavy right before all this when we're trying to let people relax seems.... ill timed.
>>4171194is there anything you think I could get away with cutting out while still delivering the message?As for Carter's situation in Cradleton... the rest of the chapters aren't finished yet, but somehow the Epilogue chapter is almost done. After that it's basically filling in what happened between chapter 2 and the epilogue, although the epilogue came out steamier than I expected. I hope you don't mind a bit of character development for Carter due my interpretation of Carter's backstory and abilities, I had to apply certain liberties while writing certain sections out. However, I did make sure to do my best to keep it close to what you wrote on Carter's character sheet. He will still be the same sheepish boy who tries to oversell his masculinity with a group of spiders as his friends in the end, but he'll have an experience that could be used as a springboard for future adventures. When I pass the baton back to you.
>>4171244honestly i dont think anything needs to be per say, over maybe cut down, if that makes sense. like, maybe some of the lines go on a bit much for a conversation not meant to be heavy? mind you, not saying it has to be a causal conversation at all, i agree and understand wanting to be a bit more in depth. only i guess im saying you can ask her the same thing you want without making it sound like she's given up and arm and leg over everything. at worse it sounds like we're maybe a bit too worried over her and her response, especially given she was giving off a very chill and relaxed attitude, making it clear she wasn't really worried about it that much. again, doesn't mean we cant ask her about it more in depth or poke a bit at if shes just not even trying to think on it or something.its not a bad write-up at all, nor am i against what you're trying to ask mind you, just yeah i think it could be shaved down a bit in tone and length, given the situation and context.I will never understand how you could write the epilogue before the rest, but hey, if it works for you, it works and good job, considering the length you implied it to be getting to. and its fine, character development is more than fine but agreeable, so long as it feels like it flows and isnt re-writing the character. he can still grow and change a good amount though, im fine with that. also dont be afraid to ask any questions or explanations if you want or just feel you need them, though so long as its not twisting the point or whatnot of his backstory or other elements, im fine even with you expanding or adding to that or other elements of his character. powerset too, just like how i added the springboard ribs and mapmaking ability from his spiders.speaking of, while im more than happy to write more of Carter, and probably will, id also like to say id be interested in sometime seeing your interpretation of him interacting with Luna. mind you, no pressure or anything like that. if it doesn't feel right or you're not up to something like that, etc, no problem, but while on the topic simply saying its something id be interested to see.
>>4171010>>Write-In>"Seriously, though, Rath: You're amazing. You are one of the strongest people I know. Brave, passionate, caring...I don't know where I'd be now without you. I owe you so much.">"Sometimes I worry that I don't tell you that enough. That I rely on that strength so much that I take it for granted. That I've given you the impression that other concerns are so important that we can't spare time for you.">"That's wrong. It couldn't possibly be more wrong. I love you, Rath. Everyone in this team loves you. I want you to be happy, and I don't want you to feel like you've got to focus on everyone else's happiness instead of your own.">"So whatever happy ending you decide on, tell me and I'll move heaven and earth to get you there. You deserve everything I can give you."
>>4171358>>4171155>>4171010while i kinda like the idea behind these, one i think is a bit too serious in the worry department, the other feels a bit too serious in the chipper/'id fucking die for you' department.i support the message but write-in wise i feel like the seriousness for both needs to be toned down and shortened, so if they're used id only support them if that could be done.so kinda vote-supporting them, but only if overhauled a good bit. think somewhere between them probably fits.
>>4171010"As the leader of this family, I constantly have to weigh my decisions, between about what's best for us, what's best for the world, and what I want for myself." You begin, lying down beside Rath as you stare up at the ceiling alongside her. "Every time we go out there and fight I have to balance the lives of everyone in my hands when I send out orders. And I always try my best to take care of everyone in the downtime.""But at times I feel like I've been stretched thin, with so many spinning plates to juggle. Each of them threatening to fall off." You breathe with a sigh, turning your head as you meet Rath's glittering citrine eyes. "You're courageous. You're passionate, you can obliterate a mountain with a punch, and you've been so selfless. Putting yourself constantly on the front lines for our sake.""Yeah, well...we all have. Every one of us." Rath shrugs, putting her hands behind her head. "I'm nothing special.""You're selling yourself short, as usual. Look, Rath...you've done so much for everyone, for your friends, for your family, just constantly stretching yourself to the limit...too thin, actually." You insist as Rath averts her eyes from you and back to the ceiling. "It scares me, at times. You never told us if you wanted anything.""I don't. Seriously." Rath says firmly, a defensive edge to her voice. "I do what I do 'cause I care about you, and GG, and Aunt Heather, and...everybody. I'm nothin' special, compared to 'yall.""You're one of the strongest people I know. Brave, passionate, caring...I don't know where I'd be now without you. I owe you so much, so don't get all modest on me, 'kay?" You say, poking the other girl in the ribs to prompt a giggled protest. "Seriously, though - sometimes I worry that I don't tell you that enough. That I rely on your strength so much that I take it for granted. That I've given you the impression that other concerns are so important that we can't spare time for you."Her eyes meet yours once more, and as her giggles subside, you see something shift in her eyes as she realizes just how serious you are, how much truth there is to your words."That's wrong. It couldn't possibly be more wrong. I love you, Rath. Everyone in this team loves you." You declare, seeing a tinge of white light start to shine in the red-head's cheeks. "I want you to be happy, and I don't want you to feel like you've got to focus on everyone else's happiness instead of your own. So whatever happy ending you decide on, tell me...and I'll move heaven and earth to get you there. You deserve everything I can give you, and that's a fact.""Shu, I...t-thank you. That means a lot...seriously." She says finally, smiling weakly. "As for what I want, I...shit, man. I really don't think I know what I-"The sudden clamor of voices from the main living area draws your attentions elsewhere, cutting Rath off mid-sentence as you note a familiar burst of positivity emanating across the empathic channel.(Continued)
>>4171495"Heh...mind if I take a rain check on the sappiness?" Comes Rath's sheepish request as she props herself up on her elbows. "I...I do wanna talk, though. I'm startin' to think maybe voicing some of this stuff might...help, y'know?""I'd like that, Rath." You say, returning her smile with one of your own. "A lot."Rath hops to her feet and promptly offers a hand that you gladly take, and by the time you both emerge from the room to see what the commotion's about, you're greeted to a sight for sore eyes.Julia, dazzling in a finely-crafted leather jacket that's perfectly made for her skinless form, complete with a pair of dark jeans. Your family surrounds her, asking her a dozen questions all at once while mobbing her with a dozen matching hugs, with Dorian hanging back at the edge of the crowd with a small smirk on his face, the center of his affections now the center of attention in your temporary home. Julia's dark eyes catch yours and she smiles even wider, her dazzling grin even more stark against the black of her jacket and the scarlet of her bare flesh. The questions slowly subside as you approach, and Amara slides off of Julia's back as your prodigal hostess walks over to you, throwing her arms wide to accept the hug you happily gift her."I m-missed you, Shu." She says into your shoulder, holding you tight. "I know it wasn't long, but it f-felt like it.""I missed you too, Julia. You look fantastic! How've the Hyenas been treating you?" You ask, holding her at arm's length as you admire the bold change of fashion."They're fantastic, and Laoc's c-coming along well. Everyone's so strong, and I'm so happy I was there to h-help." Comes her earnest answer. "The Hyenas are ready to help if you need them, thought it'd just be Ivey and maybe Reze...s-sorry, Razorback. She p-prefers Reze, but it'd just be a few, so that Laoc won't be left without d-defenses.""That's perfect. I welcome anything they've got to offer." You say with a smile, staring into the other girl's dark, shining eyes. "I want a full recap, if you're up for it. I want to know how you've been getting along, what you've been doing, everything!"Julia's about to reply, just before she pauses and glances over to the pile of biomass in the corner of the room. "T-tell you what...I know I'm famished, and I'm sure I'm n-not the only one. I want to catch up, but maybe that's b-best left for after we eat? You know how t-tired we get afterwards."You're inclined to agree, and as you direct everyone towards the spoils of combat, you realize that despite the tumultuous emotions and events that went into the biomass that lies before you, there's a silver lining to it all......you're going to use it to do some good. Together, as one.As a family, whole once more.>>LEVEL-UP POINTS AVAILABLE: 36LEVEL-UP LIST: https://pastebin.com/E9b6SCUs>>KADATH: 2 Levels available for all eligible party members.>>JULIA: 5 Unassigned Level-up points available.YOU ARE IN CONTROL
(Gentlemen, voting shall remain open for the next sixteen hours, with posting to resume in approximately twenty-four, due to the additional time needed to type up what flavor text I can’t get to tonight and given how busy work's proving to be as of late. I’ll be available for the next few hours to address any questions you may have, and I do hope you have a good rest of your evening, one and all.)
>>4171500Right, so we can give everyone 5 points, with one spare, as im assuming we're including Julias as her extra five are there to catch her up to the missed one. personally im fine giving her the extra, both as a welcome back gift, and because using a thematic reason makes the decision easy.with that though, how long everyone need/want? id say an hour, especially given how many points Julia has. also, anyone want to arbiter? id personally actually wish to not do it, but if no one else is up to it, om ok doing it.
>>4171507An hour should be plenty.The extra point should go to Julia she needs it to stay up to date with us.I dont want to arbiter either... I am guessing that at the end of this i will be the most tired person out of all of us just because of my timezone
>>4171507I'll take up arbitration. Although I might get interrupted by family and whatnot, so be prepared to take over.
>>4171503Thanks BHOP! Looking forward to the level up vote, have a great sleep!>>4171507In the last vote, everybody received 6 points each. So if we give everybody 5 points this time, then Julia would be best served by getting the extra point. That will bring her up from 5 points to 6, and she'll be breaking even.
>>4171515oh, well thats bad timing, but alight, sounds good.
>>4171507I'm just getting started making dinner, but it's just pasta so it should go fast. I'll be ready within an hour, probably.
>>4171507>>4171517It's definitely going to be a doozy however. We have 8 daughters with their level ups to go through. >>4171503Although I am sort of confused as to Julia's situation. Are you saying that Julia has 5 extra points to play with as part of her catch-up/time away or is that her share?
>>4171525(She has five level-up points that only she may use, from her time with the Hyenas.)
>>4171507>>4171511>>4171516>>4171524One hour sounds fine. Let's reconvene at 8:30 EST. starting now.
>>4171527yeah that works.>>41715257 family members, due to November not being able to take levels, but yeah, so it will be.11 points to Julia... whew.it is jumping the guns slightly though, but i will go ahead and say honestly there not much here besides the two anti-relic abilities worth taking i personally feel.
>>4171500I think we should plan for what our party's going to be against Alpha, so the right members can get the anti-relic Abilities, even if we only have them for that fight and then recycle them with the Engine.I think that Magpie's core should be made into stats. I'm against getting Psychotic Swarm though. She also had several useful Relic-based augments, if any party member can make good use of them. Militia Machination could be great for Shu and the Contender, for example.Damn shame we can't get Eldritch Cancellation. Yet another downside of Magpie ending herself.
>>4171531gotta agree. i see one or two gems the rest is just stat fodder
>>4171533since we will be doing each character individually you can save your arguments for when we actually get to voting
i will say as a forewarning i plan to put Muphys Mandate and Repetitions Resilience on every, albeit with at least Muphys being a very temporary measure on everyone.normally id be very against this but i think this is contextually one of the only times being lenient on something like that makes a damn lotta sense.also my god Julia is going to be hell.
>>4171533>Damn shame we can't get Eldritch Cancellation. Yet another downside of Magpie ending herself.I don't think that's why we can't take it, actually. Some theorizing:>Magpie's teleportation skill is called Eldridge Experiment. >The U.S.S. Eldridge was a naval destroyer escort that according to popular myth (though confirmed as a hoax) was involved in a project called the Philadelphia Experiment, an attempt to render a ship invisible that went horribly wrong and instead teleported it to another dimension. >Eldridge Experiment "skirts the line of what's natural to the Crucible and what is certainly not". >The flavor text implies Mara and Magpie were deliberately hunting for this ability. >Eldritch Cancellation's text says "that which was not given freely is not yours to take".So, from this I conclude that Mara and Magpie traveled to another dimension. I'm going to guess it was the Crucible's extradimensional back-end, the many-angled spaces where it keeps the mechanisms that let us cheat conservation laws. Some attempt to break the system and end the Hunger by making the Crucible generate infinite food, maybe. And in the process, they wound up altering their status within the Crucible, how they relate to the extradimensional back-end, and that's what gave them Eldritch Cancellation. We can't take it because Mara and Magpie were never intended to have that ability, no Daughter was, it's the equivalent of glitching your way into accessing dummied-out content in a videogame.
>>4171547That is a very fair point i will take into consideration as well
>>4171550im iffy on the theory, though i will say it has merit.but... er... in the end there you did kinda wrap back around to agreeing we cant take it.
>>4171542I'll unfortunately be likely asleep like always during those level up votes. That's why I'm putting some of my thoughts out here right now.
>>4171558Yes, because I didn't say that we could take it, but that I differed on my belief as to why we couldn't take it. It's not because Magpie deleted herself, it's because of weirdness to do with the ability itself.
>>4171562oh, pff. i misread again.my bad.
>>4171571(Apologies, Gentlemen - please disregard my previous statement, as I allowed enough level-up points for the Barbers and the Crew to sample some of the defensive powers, with their totals taken out automatically. My sincerest apologies, it's been a long day.)
>>4171573Dont worry about it OP. Seems like the day took a lot out of you.I was kinda thinking that even if they hadnt we could have asked them to have them trade in levels afterwards so they can at least get the resilience.... Its super useful in any instance not just WAlphaAnd we would still get the full amount. That would have been of course if they had wanted to/agreed to it
>>4171573oh, whew.had a long post and a very difficult decision there for a second.i will still say IC id like to encourage them to take Muphys and Repetitions, even if just temporarily, on everyone.
I may run a tad late despite my punctuality. There's chicken in the oven and for some godawful reason, the time it's done cooking coincides the time the voting session actually begins. So do forgive me if I'm at least five minutes late.
also, kinda a shame Magpie streamlined her Core so much. because at level one, its kinda like with Calcite Armorers alot of times in that its no different than other Hive Mistress abilities, so we really have no view of what it might becomes at all. not sure it would be worth it even if we could, especially given how many abilities everyone already has, but still.
>>4171584(I will say that it was, by far, her most powerful ability, as hinted at in the skill summary.)
>>4171584I am not sure if i want it to melt it down for stats or keep. We could certainly need the stats for Shu or we put it into the Goregrowth Box and then Hybridize it with Shus core to make Killer Beecrows.
>>4171578>Repititions ResilienceYou know. that augment is gonna drag out our duel against Jack if both Shu and Jack honor the duel agreement.
>>4171584>>4171585(You were referring to her Core, not the rifle, which my comment applied to. Bah.)
>>4171588>>4171568>>4171527oh right.as i stated earlier, we could put Magpies Core into Goregrowth as a loophole to not eat up level slots but not lose.worse case? later on we eat the extra levels and melt it down.
>>4171588On the one hand, Shu needs stats.On the other hand, I REALLY want to see Shu have bees AND crows.
>>4171591oh.well, doesn't change much. but thanks for the clarification. her rifle is good but i just cant think of anyone it would work on and is worth replacing on, while at least with her Core, a Hive Mistress ability is very easy to put into any playstyle.but thanks for clarifying. you need some sleep BHOP, and i say that with the best intentions in mind.
>>4171594Your not the only one who want sto see that.... and the unholy abominations we can create with a Hybrid>>4171592So yeah probably the Goregrowth Box then.... I think i will write it down as such in my own vote tehn
>>4171596(Lord, I really do. I'll be around for the next hour or so, and then I'm off to bed.)
>>4171601Good Night OP.Get the rest, you seem to really need it. They were working you to the bone weren't they.
>>4171599im putting it under Shu as a special action, as while with the engine it doesnt matter for later, technically for the Goregrowth Box it does. also just simplifies things. plus, stats or keep later on, it probably will be on Shu.also gets the decision out of the way sooner.>>4171601well i hope its a wonderful night when you get to it. cuddle up under alot of blankets with the wife and dream lovingly of eldritch lesbians tearing eachother apart.
>>4171596Hmm...If anything else, Shu could still use the rifle. Just not for this encounter as West Alpha will prioritize attacking Shu. As for other eligible users, Amara could work, but she's too hyperactive for sniperwork. What about Francine? Her sentry gatling gun can be set to fire automatically if we invest enough points in it.
>>4171601Sleep well, BHOP.
>>4171608But we have Karma.....Amara has her Artillery.... So yeah the only ones who are not in it for the close quarters are probably Francine... or maybe Gina though she is getting ever closer to a combat caster...And they need to be far away to get the most out of it.... Not really our playstyle. We need to keep people relatively close by to issue commands and help each other out. That ability is more suited to single player i am afraid
>>4171608well like i said, im not putting it on anyone unless we replace something else. and the Contender is just... everything Gun Shu needs. we can even make it a sniper coming up soon if we want, or later.as for Francine, i just think the Gatling is a better ranged weapon, especially for her. so id not want to replace that. even if we had a good option of something else to replace(open to the argument though), does she really need two ranged weapons filling similar roles and vying for attention?otherwise everyone else really has their fighting style down, and is medium-close ranged. at best Gina could get some interesting pot shots due to being able to appear anywhere, but again, only put it on her if we hybridized or replaced something else, and they all still bend her toward melee, and is it really worth replacing or hybridizing for her to split how she fights up?
>>4171601A quick question before you head to your dreamscape: Does Murphy's Mandate stack, or is each one considered separately? If we had five characters using the skill, would that give 100% chance to negate Alpha creating a Relic or 67% (the average likelihood of at least one of five 20% chances happening)?
>>4171621Sounds like a waste of levels. We only need to have at least one or two people with that power.
>>4171621(It would be averaged, with five separate checks being made for every Relic she attempts to craft.)
Dude... Those augments are awesome. And lets not forget, that one of those powers gives someone the ability to make that ridiculous rifle that magpie used. One that also synergises with a lot of those augments, especially Iconoclastic touch. That combination would definitely screw over Alpha, due to both high damage, relic shutdown, long range and custom ammo. I definitely want a few of those hive mistress augs on Shu and probably Francine as well.
>>4171623nah since we will have to mix up teams on the fly we need backups in my opinion. we need it on most if not all people
>>4171621>>4171624hrm, not as good as stacking, but still significantly increases her chances of failure, especially if our allies take it too.>>4171623after BHOPS reply, hell no its not. 7 checks from us max? plus 8 from our allies max aswell? that could cripple her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5j5rRvAvY4IT'S A LITTLE EARLY BUT COURT IS NOW IN SESSION.Before we begin voting on the powers, we must distribute points.Free Level up points available: 36Daughters eligible for Level up:1.Shu2.Gina3.Rath4.Dorian5.Julia6.Francine7.AmaraAll listed Daughters eligible for level up are also eligible for Knowable Kadath, so each eligible daughter will have 2 extra points regardless of how many Free level up points are distributed.In addition, Julia's time away with the Hyenas has given her 5 extra points. Please submit your proposals here. Now excuse me while I go get the chicken out of the oven. I'll be back in about 5-10 minutes.
>>4171624Okay, that's what I assumed. Being able to completely lock her down would be unbalanced. On the other hand, maybe the chance will rise with higher levels. Do we want to put more than one point into any of the anti-Relic skills?
>>4171630Total Points; 36 Points +2 Kadath per>Shu; 5+2 Points>Rath; 5+2 Points>Gina; 5+2 Points>Dorian; 5+2 Points>Amara; 5+2 Points>Francine; 5+2 PointsJulia; 11+2 Points>>4171631putting two on Shu but no one else myself.
>>4171625Psychotic Swarm.... Hell no. Just no its drawbacks are to large for usBroodmothers Multitasking is not that valuable to us we can get more shit by getting the core and later hybridizing it with our core.>>41716305 points each for everyone out of the Level PoolJulia gets the one extra Level out of the pool for a total of 6 for her
>>4171634>>4171630Those points are in addition to her 5 points she got from the Hyenas
>>4171625nah, besides the two mentioned Anti-Relic abilities, only one other, an Augment, is worth taking at all.
>>4171638>>4171625that being Ocams on Amara, by the way.
>>4171629>after BHOPS reply, hell no its not. 7 checks from us max? plus 8 from our allies max aswell? that could cripple her.That would leave her with only a 3.5% chance of successfully crafting a Relic. However, she would retain her rocket punching, and having fifteen people in the fight to boost her speed off of in addition to exceeding Dorian's speed would leave her still a quite dangerous foe.
>>4171630Five points to everyone, give Julia the extra.
>>4171642nah, i was more of pointing out our max as an example, i agree still not everyone should be in the fight.still, everyone being in the fight stacking it will still work wonders.
>>4171638Are you just... Ignoring the massively powerful rifle ability that made Magpie so fucking lethal as well as the literal teleportation that made her so hard to kill? As well as the multiple other synergistic abilities/augments? There's a lot on offer here....
>>4171647And where do you suggest we put those powers? Our people are pretty full already with abilities. We are already running thin on level points even without taking on more Level Up abilities
>>4171647no, im not.but none of them are worth it, especially the levelables like the rifle for reasons that those of us here for a long while have talked to death, and even mentioned right here in this discussion if you go back and read.and many of those augments really are not that good, especially given the context of the battle coming up.
>>4171634>>4171633>>4171644Thank you for your input. Point distribution as follows Including Knowable Kadath and other bonuses:1.Shu: 7 points2.Gina: 7 Points3.Rath: 7 Points4.Dorian: 7 Points5.Amara: 7 Points6.Francine: 7 points 7.Julia: 13 PointsLocked in.First up on the Agenda: Our returning Artist, Julia. You have 13 points to spend.Please submit your proposals
>>4171647>>4171650hell the rifle was specifically the example talked about, if you actually bothered to read the discussion taking place.
>>4171651Julia; 11+2 Points>Murphys Mandate>Repetitions Resilience>Sculptress of Flesh(2)>Elemental Digestion>Artisanal Appetites(3)>Calcite Halo(3)>>Carnivorous Carver(2)Her Core could use some love, and Appetites finally has a good chance to shine damn fucking bright. Calcite because Hexxane protection sounds like a very good idea right now. And Carnivorous is so damn good of course I want to give it levels.also i was not expecting Julia first, as we usually follow the sheet order. but is what it is.also you should probably keep the Kadath listed desperately, as they have caveats to how you can spend them.on that note ">>"will be how i mark Kadath personally.
>>4171663>>4171659Wouldn't the Kadath applied on Carnivous Carver help out the Bloody Ripper component in the Kadath? Badger's Barbarism doesn't have a dream daughter attached to it.
>>4171663i think ignoring giving Artisenal Appetites a big boost is a very bad move, given what we're about to face....
>>4171667Bloody Ripper does have Kadath. it was Pennys. or so BHOP said when i was double-checking Kadath.but no, leveling a Kadath does not give a freebie to any connected Kadaths under it, and Kadath on something hybridized does not give Kadath to those its made of that didnt have it before.
>>4171651SO Julia it is huhJULIA x11 +2 Kadath>Elemetnal Digestion x1 Kadath>Carniverous Carver x1 Kadath>>REPETITION'S RESILIENCE>>MURPHY’S MANDATE>Artisanal Appetites(3)>Calcite Halo x3>Carniverous Carver >Sculptress x2Consolidating power in a couple skills that can be useful in the battle. Better defenses and more active power to rip apart her relics>>4171667>>4171668Sorry about the bamboozle. I had noticed something i had to replace something i had written down and then not corrected earlier because i got distracted>>4171667SInce a Kadath Skill is inside it it can be leveled via Kadath
>>4171651Ooph, giving us the toughest one first, huh? I barely even remember Julia's build, give me a moment.>Murphy's Mandate x1>Pilferer's Palm x 1>Repetition's Resilience>Iconoclastic Touch>Sculptress of Flesh x2>Artisanal Appetites x3>Calcite Halo x2>Kadath: Elemental Digestion x1>Kadath: Carnivorous Carver x1I think that Julia would actually benefit from Pilferer's Palm and Iconoclastic Touch. Artisanal Appetites and Elemental Digestion means that the moment she touches a Relic, she attacks it automatically. Iconoclastic Touch means that this single touch would be an critical, likely to shut the Relic down. And Pilferer's Palm means she can instantly touch any enemy Relic she chooses. Teleport Alpha's weapons to her hand, eat them, don't give Alpha back anything to recycle when it teleports back the next turn.
>>4171677hrm... ill admit Pilfers works on her due to Artisenal, but long-term i disagree on keeping it for sure, due to the fact she already has way too many abilities. i disagree here heavily on Iconclastic. its only the first strike against a relic. its one time use. Alpha will just recycle it, and after that Julia will have spent it. if Alpha couldn't just make new relics, maybe, but because she can that ability is worthless. even then, one time uses are never worth it, even in this situation.ill vote for Pilfers if you'll take away Iconclastic.
>>4171677>>4171676>>4171659>Locked in:Murphy's Mandate x1Repetition's Resilience x1Elemental Digestion x1Sculptress of Fleshx2Artisanal Appetites x3>Majority: 2 to 1Calcite Halo x3Carnivorous Carver x1>singletonsPilferer's PalmIconoclastic Touch12 points total:1 point left over.Lightning round. I'm abstaining.
>>4171677I think i would be up for >>4171684as well
>>4171684Maybe I'm misreading Iconoclastic Touch. I read it as the first time per combat that a given Relic was struck, allowing it to be used many times per fight against multiple Relics. But looking at it again I'm not so sure. I think you're right and it would only be used the first time. Yeah, okay, let's ditch Iconoclastic Touch, then.
>>4171690still really would like for you to mark out Kadath as it does matter alot when looking at things to know what votes are those..>>4171690>Pilferer's Palm>x2 Caver instead of x2 Fleshim a bit upset at how quickly you pushed things forward too, when we were still discussing things. for instance, i was gonna change my vote from x2 Flesh for Pilfers, not x2 Carver, as i think Carver will do us much much better, so im adding that change here too.
>>4171694I think it reads more like the first time the user strikes against any relic it will trigger but not later At least to me that seems to be it.Like seriously my mind is a bit on the slow side already but i think i can still comprehend the english language.
>>4171696>>4171693id like to make the argument for x2 Carver. Carver can simply deal good, hard natural damage, while her core relies mostly on stacks. but we know Alpha is modified for our whole family, so stack protections might be built in, aswell as its probably easier for her to relic craft to impede stacks, while fully impeding damage might be impossible.
>>4171690You make a point... What was her Resistance to slashing damage again? On the other hand Julia does an insane amount of damage with those claws......Give me like five minutes to mull this over
>>4171707Carver also relies a lot on bleeding effects. Does Alpha bleed? Do we know that? If so, I'm onboard.
>>4171711 I think she can bleed. If not blood then some other vital liquid. Not many daughters have an immunity to bleeding effects i would guess. I think even Nikuzu could bleed. Even though she bled Magma
>>4171700Sorry about that. I'm just under a time crunch and I'm not in the right mindset. I tried to tell my parents about this quest and that I'm arbitrating the vote, while reluctantly understanding, I tried to bargain for 4 hours before I go down for a late dinner. My mother told me to get this done in 3. >>4171701>>4171696Let me get this straightened out in a second this is getting confusing with the debate.
>>4171711we dont.but Carver still does significant more base damage than Flesh does, and thus will have less blocked even if she doesn't bleed, compared to if Alpha impedes or even turns out stacks against us. that, and Carver also gives us goodies like the extra ACTs unlike our core, which aswell as less likely to be stopped, or if so, less impeding to the ability as a whole, while any level of stack impediment cripples her core. Carver simply is way more versatile in what it gives us, making anything pumped into it less likely to have as big an impact if part of it is blocked.
>>4171690Supporting this notion>>4171707 i think that will be a worthwhile investment>>4171714gettign this done in three hours...... would leave me with exactly half an hour to take a nap and then jump in on a conference call with my boss.
>>4171714oof.i mean, we can try, but im not gonna rush into mistakes either. least Julia has the biggest pool to argue over, and with most seeming to agree on getting Muphys and Repetition the others are a bit easier.
>>4171714also, dont feel like you cant vote because you're arbitrating or have a bit of an iffy time limt. just dont rush while here, and worse case, sucks yeah, but you miss a person or two.
>>4171714Someone else can take over if you run out of time. Hell i would volunteer even though i will be quite tired at the time. So relax a little rushing headlong into things will just lead to us breaking our.... or more specifically Shus neck
>>4171721hope you at least find time to make up that sleep later then Anon....
>>4171727I will make up for it with a lazy day. I prepared for this and had some things done ahead of time that i can throw to my boss and say 'hey i have been productive'And then i will probably take a nap after lunch...... even though that will murder my Biorhythm. But i can probably iron that one out over the weekend
>>4171721>>4171711>>4171719After hearing your debate, I'm reshuffling this into another vote as there is currently a contention:>Locked inPilferer's Palm x1Murphy's Mandate x1Repetition's Resilience x1Elemental Digestion x1 (Kadath)Calcite Halo x3Artisanal Appetites x3Carnivorous Carver x1 (Kadath)>Points spent: 11>Points left over: 2I've detected a debate among you anons about switching the points originally meant for Sculptress of the flesh for Carvnivorous Carver.Is this true?>Reply to this post with Y to put the last 2 points into Carnivorous Carver>Reply to this post with N to put the last 2 points into Sculptress of the Flesh.
>>4171737>Ythink its diversity offers significant more chances for us to do more with it in this coming fight. maybe if Flesh wasnt her core and the most likely Ability for Alpha to have built in family-counters for, but that topped with the previous reason makes Caver much more viable.
>>4171737YLet's give Julia some wicked claws.
>>4171752Francine; 5+2 Points>Murphys Mandate>Repetitions Resilience>Asklepian Ward>Calcite Halo(2)>>Gatling Fang(2)Asklepian because we need the healing. Halo because we need the defenses. Gatling because I want her to be able to give good support when she is in combat.
>>4171752FRANCINE x5 +2 Kadath>Gatling Fang x2 Kadath >MILITIA MACHINATIONS (She has unlimited Fishlings she can spawn so she can amas quite the powerboost to any relics we give her. The spectacles could be really useful and any support relic soar through the roof)>Halo x2>>REPETITION'S RESILIENCE>>MURPHY’S MANDATENot sure what else to put on her but more survivability
>>4171752wait, fuck WHOAwhat the hell? why does Carver have 4!?!?thats not at all what we said we wanted or were discussing!
>>4171758GAH I FUCKED UP. >>4171752>>4171757>>4171754HOLD THE PHONE. LET ME BAMBOOZLE.
>>4171757i just dont think Francine uses Relics at all enough for that Augment to be worth it. really no one does in my opinion.
>>4171752i think you put one to many points into Carver. You have distributed 1 point to much
>>4171768Fuck I'm getting sloppier by the second.>>4171745>>4171744>>4171742Thank you Gentlemen:>LOCKED INPilferer's Palm x1Murphy's Mandate x1Repetition's Resilience x1Elemental Digestion x1 (Kadath)Calcite Halo x3Artisanal Appetites x3Carnivorous Carver x3 (Kadath)>POINTS SPENT: 13Voting for Julia's point distribution is over. Next subject of debate.Francine:Points available to spend: 5 + (2 Kadath)Please submit your proposals here.
>>4171768I... dude. we still wanted a point into Flesh.and you have 3 Kadath points when we only have 2.
>>4171772>Murphy's Mandate>Repetition's Resilience>Gatling Fang x1>Asclepian Ward x1>Calcite Halo x1>Kadath: Gatling Fang x1>Kadath: Asclepian Ward x1
>>4171773>>4171772seriously god fucking damnit no one still wanted nothing into Flesh.>>4171772reposting Francine vote too.Francine; 5+2 Points>Murphys Mandate>Repetitions Resilience>Asklepian Ward>Calcite Halo(2)>>Gatling Fang(2)Asklepian because we need the healing. Halo because we need the defenses. Gatling because I want her to be able to give good support when she is in combat.
>>4171772Ammending my vote from >>4171757 (You)to>Gatling Fang x2 Kadath>Asklepian Ward(AOE healing is quite useful)>Halo x2>>REPETITION'S RESILIENCE>>MURPHY’S MANDATE
>>4171772>>4171776>>4171774FUCKING HELL. I CAN'T ARBITRATE PROPERLY TONIGHT. FUCK. >>4171773Just tell me what's wrong. ugh.
>>4171782not sure about the others, but i misread your post and would've posted to split the last two point if i had.the idea was we technically had all 11+2 points distributed, but x2 into Flesh instead of x2 into Carver for the base points.so i was arguing to do x2 Carver and x1 Flesh, instead of x2 Flesh and x1 Carver.
>>4171782Yeah what >>4171786is saying thats how i read it as well
>>4171782With the 2 carver being one level from Levelpool and one from Kadath and 1 Levle flesh from the Levelpool
>>4171794>>4171786Duly noted. I'll make the changes when I finally figure compile the votes for Francine. And post it on the same update.
>>4171799Sounds good. Thanks for all your hard work with this, we appreciate your efforts.
>>4171799>>4171800indeed.i know how difficult it can be. lord know you guys have run me ragged with vote changes before.
>>4171802>>4171799Yeah we know and that is why I appreciate you guys.... Willing to put up with my shit and that of everyone else
>>4171799Sounds good. Don't stress out over it too much, though, we're glad to have you doing this for us.
>>4171806>>4171803>>4171802>>4171800FRANCINE:>Unanimous:Murphys Mandate x1Repetitions Resilience x1Asklepian Ward x1>Majority: 2 to 1Calcite Halo x2Gatling Fang x2 (2 Kadath points spent)Points spent: 7LOCKED IN:>Murphys Mandate>Repetitions Resilience>Asklepian Ward>Calcite Halo x2>Gatling Fang x2Due to sharp eyed anons, JULIA'S VOTE RESULTS has been corrected:Pilferer's Palm x1Murphy's Mandate x1Repetition's Resilience x1Elemental Digestion x1 (Kadath)Calcite Halo x3Artisanal Appetites x3Carnivorous Carver x2 (Kadath)Sculptress of the Flesh x1Thank you. Next subject: Amara, Best Daughter.Please submit your proposals here.
>>4171809Amara; 5+2 Points>Murphys Mandate>Repetitions Resilience>Ocams Edge>Joyous Many>Oxygenic Artillery>>Hunters Honor>>Queen CrimsonOcams helps Hunters out ALOT, and due to it only working for Calcite stuff, really only helps Amara. Joyus is just always a good choice, and Queen for some defenses, Hunters because we might need such a hard hitting weapon. Oxygenic to give said hard hitter some range as we have done before, aswell as herself.
>>4171809AMARA x5 +2 Kadath>Hunters Honor x1 Kadath>Queen x1 Kadath >ARTILLERY>JOYOUS>Queen >>REPETITION'S RESILIENCE>>MURPHY’S MANDATE
>>4171809Amara: 5 + 2 Points>Queen Crimson>Joyous Many>Repetition's Resilience>Murphy’s Mandate>Occam’s Edge>Kadath: Hunter’s Honor, Hollowed Clone
>>4171809Proposal:Lexicon x2Murphys Mandate x1Repetitions Resilience x1Occrams Edge x1Kadath:Hunter's honor x1Queen Crimson x1I'm fine with everything else but GODDAMMIT I want points into Lexicon!
>>4171816now is NOT the time for lexicon. we need everyone to get as combat boosted as possible for Alpha, and Lexicon just does NOT do that, nor guarantee us the little bit of help it may give. aswell as the fact Alphas built-in anti-Family bits are probably geared towards her skintalking.
>>4171809Ammending Vote >>4171812to>Hunters Honor x1 Kadath>Queen x1 Kadath>ARTILLERY>JOYOUS>Occrams Edge>>REPETITION'S RESILIENCE>>MURPHY’S MANDATE
>>4171809>Murphy's Mandate x1>Repetition's Resilience>Queen Crimson x2>Oxygenic Artillery>Kadath: Hunter's Honor x1>Kadath: Joyous Many x1Queen Crimson has good defensive abilities, I want Amara to be as safe from the killer cyborg rocket-punching her as she can possibly be. Also, Murphy's Mandate has crazy synergy with Joyous Many. Assuming that constructs don't trigger Alpha's "more enemies equals more speed" power (which I hope they don't, because that's just not fair to put up against our Hive Mistress main), we could spam dozens of iterations of the skill on her. By my quick math, having thirty Joyous hitting her with Murphy's Mandate would reduce her chances of successfully spawning a Relic down to 0.1%.>>4171816Lexicon is unlikely to offer considerable use against Alpha. I want to level it too, but Lexicon seems to benefit investigation and communication over combat and right now we need to level Amara for survival. Next level, maybe when we're scraping usable biomass off of Alpha's remains, then we can put things into Lexicon.
>>4171818You have a point there. I'll trade in x2 Lexicon for something else.Joyous and Artillery it is then.>>4171809 >>4171816Oxygenic Artillery x1Joyous Many x1Murphys Mandate x1Repetitions Resilience x1Occrams Edge x1Kadath:Hunter's honor x1Queen Crimson x1
>>4171825>By my quick math, having thirty Joyous hitting her with Murphy's Mandate would reduce her chances of successfully spawning a Relic down to 0.1%.Actually, wait, that's wrong. Joyous Many level eight gives a bonus of 20% to effectiveness if ten Joyous cooperate on the same action. That bonus rises by 10% for every additional ten Joyous. Assuming that it would be 140% of 20%, that means thirty Joyous would reduce the odds of Alpha making a Relic to 0.005%. Okay, I think I know what we're doing. Mandate spam on the Joyous is a good plan.
>>4171825only issue will be regardless of other issues, we'll still have to cycle out Amaras Joyus when we do her, so as to reset any relics against her/them. its not a new issue, mind you, or one not similar for others, but still, something to keep in mind.(nor am i saying you're overlooking it, so much as just double-checking everyone's taken it into account).
>>4171811>>4171813>>4171822>>4171825>>4171826Well this is almost unanimous with several super majorities.>Hunter's honor x1 (Kadath)>Queen Crimson x1 (Kadath)>Murphys Mandate x1>Repetitions Resilience x1>Joyous Many x1>Oxygenic Artillery x1>Ocams Edge x1Points spent: 7Locked in. Next subject: Dorian, The Bloody Storm. I think that should be his next epithet considering what he's evolved into now.
>>4171834Dorian; 5+2 Points>Murphys Mandate>Repetitions Resilience>Calcite Halo>Red Death(2)>>Resplendent Thread(2)Calcite for some more defenses, Core because Core, Thread because only Kadath he has.
>>4171811>>4171813>>4171822>>4171825Oh Right. Please submit your proposals to this post here: >>4171834
>>4171834Dorian: 5 + 2 Points>Red Death>Murphy's Mandate>Repetition's Resilience>Spring-Heeled Jack>Calcite Halo>Knowable Kadath: Resplendent Thread x2
>>4171834DORIAN x5 +2 Kadath>Resplendent Thread x2 Kadath>Springheeled Jack x2 (he isnt gonna fight in this and we need him as fast as possible to help us ferry people around. In other fights this will be of great use to him)>Red Death>Calcite Halo>>REPETITION'S RESILIENCESince we want him to ferry people around i think his top priority should be speed. i can see him using anti relic abilites in the future much. And lets be honest if he has to intervene...... we will be toast since WAlpha will be equal to his speed.
>>4171842>>4171843im not sure Jack is a good idea. he's already more than fast enough for the job we have for him, but in the worse case he DOES need to enter combat or ends up accidentally entering it, last we need is him being any faster than he already is.
>>4171834My Proposal:Resplendent Thread x2 (Kadath)Calcite Halo x1Murphy's Mandate x1Repetition's Resilience x1Red Death x1Veruteilung x1
>>4171848that is a point worth considering but i still believe that the one point you want to put into Murphys will not be to useful. I can agree to switch at least one point to Red Death to strengthen his core but i am not sure where i want to spend the other point . Maybe on another level for the Resplendent thread
>>4171856Verurteilung isn't the best choice for this mission, Alpha is completely immune to any emotion-altering effects, so that ability wouldn't affect her at all.
>>4171848True, that's a fair point. I'll revise my post here>>4171842And change it to the following:>Red Death x2>Repetition's Resilience>Calcite Halo x2>Knowable Kadath: Resplendent Thread x2If Dorian's not going to be in combat, then Murphy's Mandate isn't necessary for him.
>>4171858i guess thats a good point, but i just wanted him to still have said stillborn chance incase the worse happens and he does end up in the fight.
>>4171834Man, I'm really tempted to put four points into Red Death and max out his Core. Just get it over with. But no, we need to put points into other things. A shame. Soon, Dorian. Soon your vampire cosplay will be complete. >Repetition's Resilience >Red Death x2>Calcite Halo x2>Kadath: Resplendent Thread x2Dorian shouldn't be around Alpha long enough for Murphy's Mandate to be of use. As for running shuttle service, I think that he can do it with Resplendent Thread well enough. Technically he's much faster with his Threads than he is with running. He can instantly pull himself to anywhere his threads can reach as a free action costing 50% Bio, and his threads can reach out to Long range. So three zones for every 50% Bio he spends, at his regen he can move thirty-nine zones per turn without having to actually take an action or fall from max Bio.
>>4171861fair point. Although If we do manage to kill that emotion suppressing Core...>>4171856>>4171834Amended vote.Resplendent Thread x2 (Kadath)Calcite Halo x2Repetition's Resilience x1Red Death x2>>4171864Please properly link your vote.
>>4171834>>4171837Amending;>Repetitions Resilience>Calcite Halo(2)>Red Death(2)>>Resplendent Thread(2)
>>4171809Ammending my vote form >>4171843to>Resplendent Thread x2 Kadath>Red Death x2>Calcite Halo x2>>REPETITION'S RESILIENCEWE will have to get Dorian out of the fight if he ever gets there. He should never be in any range close enough for it to matter.
>>4171871Sorry, my bad.>>4171834>Red Death x2>Repetition's Resilience>Calcite Halo x2>Knowable Kadath: Resplendent Thread x2
>>4171874>>4171873>>4171871>>4171870>>4171878Gentlemen, it is completely Unanimous>Repetition's Resilience >Red Death x2>Calcite Halo x2>Kadath: Resplendent Thread x2Up Next: Our Crimson Cord Lover. GinaPlease submit your proposals here
>>4171882Gina; 5+2 Points>Murphys Mandate>Repetitions Resilience>Neon Ascendant(2)>Nervous Torrent>>Ivory Aeturnum(2)Alpha probably has Neuromancy resistances if not immunity, bur Neon has a halo in it, so maybe it can bust through with a good boost.Ivory because it's we need defenses and it not impeding other defenses makes it superb.
>>4171882GINA x5 +2 Kadath >Ivory x2 kadath >Neon Ascendant(2)>Nervous Torrent>>REPETITION'S RESILIENCE>>MURPHY’S MANDATE
>>4171882>Murphy’s Mandate>Repetition’s Resilience>Neon Ascendant>Ivory Aeternum>Gladiatorial Swarm>Kadath: Gladiatorial Swarm, Neurotic Halo
>>4171882>Murphy's Mandate x1>Repetition's Resilience>Ivory Aeturnum x2>Neon Ascendant x1>Kadath: Neurotic Halo x2>>4171884Alpha is immune to acid, Nervous Torrent won't be useful.
>>4171891fair, though i disagree on upgrading the Halo, espcially not two points. with how Alpha works, she'll need to diversify more than that, and her core already covers anything it can do well enough if not better.
>>4171882>>4171884Amending;>Murphys Mandate>Repetitions Resilience>Neon Ascendant(2)>Gladiatorial Swarm>>Ivory Aeturnum(2)
>>4171891Oh right .... god i am getting tired....>>4171882Ammending my vote form >>4171887to>Ivory x2 kadath>Neon Ascendant(2)>Gladiatorial Swarm>>REPETITION'S RESILIENCE>>MURPHY’S MANDATE
>>4171897I just feel regretful over leaving Neurotic Halo capped at ten, I want to see it at final form. But fair, I'm going to move a point to Gladiatorial Swarm.>>4171882Changing >>4171891to>Murphy's Mandate x1>Repetition's Resilience>Ivory Aeturnum x2>Neon Ascendant x1>Kadath: Neurotic Halo x1>Kadath: Gladiatorial Swarm x1
>>4171884>>4171887>>4171890>>4171891Alright anons. hear me out. I've taken a look at Gina's sheet, and from what I can tell from her kit, She doesn't really have a dedicated direct ranged attack. Ivory Aeturnum and Gladiatorial swarm are mostly Defensive Armor abilities, and Neuromancy's mostly spellcasting with Nervous Torrent being basically AOE acid. Gina lacks direct damage. She needs a way to inflict direct damage in this upcoming fight. That's why I'm proposing this:>>4171882>Kadath: Neurotic Halo x1>Kadath: Ivory Aeternum x1>LYUDMILA’S WELCOME x1>Repetition's Resilience>Gladiatoral Swarm x1>Neuromancy x1>Murphy's Mandate x1
>>4171905she can spawn calcite weaponry.and shes way too geared towards melee now, the rifles a horrible pick for her. and she has way, WAY too many abilities to take another levelable. hell not to that. and everything else has thematic weight behind it, so you'd have to make a pretty good case to replace it with that.
>>4171904>>4171905>>4171890maybe once her core is done we could go back for the Halo, but as it stands leveling her core and other things is wholly more appropriate to aiding her than the halo, due to the overlap it has with her Core.
>>4171905You are correct in that but she is our Battlefield controller isnt she?. They dont usually deal much damage.And i know its nice and shiny and you want it on her but i dont think it will be good on her forcing her into a playstyle that will lead to her having to switch around constantly..Also she is kinda out of room. WE are spreading ourselves horribly thin here. The only thing i could see us replacing is maybe Verurteilung as that hasnt gotten any love for a while now
>>4171913>>4171905i could go for replacing Verteilung with it. though Verteilung fits her thematically better, we really never use it, and she, while melee focused, has become hit and run in that melee mostly, so she actually wont utilize it very much. ironically Rath or Julia build wise would put Ver to best use, yet they're practically the only people without it.
>>4171905I don't know. It kind of goes with Gina's kit, but not quite smoothly enough for me to like it. Gina's build is "saboteur and ambush predator". She hits people with status effects, she changes the terrain, she lays acid sprays down, and sometimes she surfaces from the ground to pounce on people. A sniper rifle sort of fits with that, taking shots of opportunity, but I'm not convinced it's the best for her.
>>4171916Ohh, now I'm just thinking of putting Ver on Rath and hybridizing it with Unrelenting Cold for a fear + cold aura.
>>4171917thinking about it, as i said, she may still get more use out of the sniper than Ver. id want the new point for something else, but thats 5 points from Ver we could swap into the Rifle.>>4171921could work, but we can siphon Ver from Dorian or Amara if we do that(mostly just to not stir this voting up even more, mind you).
>>4171924Right, right, let's leave that kind of idea for later. We've got a cyborg to focus on right now.
>>4171916>>4171917>>4171921I think we can replace Verurteilung with the gun..... Teh gun sounds useful and we could explore its higher levels if we were to dump them completely into the Lyudmilas WelcomeAS was said it doesnt really fit her bild from a powers standpoint any longer. Not with her hit and run tactics
>>4171925thing is we wont get a second chance to pick this ability up.If we dont take it now its gone forever
>>4171882>>4171884>>4171901Amending Again;>Murphys Mandate>Repetitions Resilience>Neon Ascendant(2)>Gladiatorial Swarm>>Ivory Aeturnum(2)>>Replace x5 Verteilung with x5 Lyudmilas Welcome>>4171927i tihnk he meant the siphon from Amara/Dorian into Rath/Julia part can be done later.
>>4171834Ammending one final time from>>4171902to >Ivory x2 kadath>Neon Ascendant(2)>Gladiatorial Swarm>>REPETITION'S RESILIENCE>>MURPHY’S MANDATEswitch out the Level of VERURTEILUNG for >LYUDMILA’S WELCOME x5
>>4171924>>4171926Alright, I'd be willing to take some points off of Verurteilung to experiment with the gun. Actually, if we're building for Alpha that's exactly what we should do. Alpha is immune to emotion effects. And since we've got Verurteilung on Dorian if we ever decide we really want it back we can transfer some points over. Okay, fine, let's recycle Verurteilung. While we're at it, does anyone want to pick up Eldridge Experiment? I know that we really shouldn't add another levelable, but I'm so tempted by the "this thing does weird stuff to space-time" idea.
>>4171929ah okay.... its getitng kinda early so i am no longer in the best postion to think about anything not pre scripted
>>4171882After reviewing the other proposals, I'll retract my votes here>>4171890And support this build instead>>4171929
>>4171933i just really do not think we need it, nor its worth the risk. i mean, wont deny its interesting, but the one who would truly need it are Rath or Julia, as i think everyone else has ok movement options of similar type, or that give advantages to use over that.and even then, just not sure i want it on Julia or Rath, even without other issues i have with it.
>>4171933Honestly while the Eldritch cancelation is tempting i cant imgaine what magpie and Mara must have gone through to get it... Maybe you should leave sleeping dogs lie.And honestly not to big a fan of teleportaion. You tend to lose parts of yourself to walls and other unexpeted obstacles.
>>4171905>>4171882Amending my vote:>Murphys Mandate>Repetitions Resilience>Neon Ascendant(2)>Gladiatorial Swarm>Lyudmilas Welcome>Ivory Kadath x2>Drain 4 points out of Veruteilung to boost Lyudmila's Welcome to lvl 5
>>4171939i mean, Dorian has safe teleportation(im pretty sure i remember BHOP confirming his blink is counted as teleportation, even if its not technically exactly so), but mind you, his has no drawback like Eldridge, which is the only reason im ok with it myself.
>>4171834Amending >>4171904to>Murphy's Mandate x1>Repetition's Resilience>Ivory Aeturnum x2>Neon Ascendant x1>Recycle five levels of Verurteilung>Lyudmila's Welcome x4>Gladiatorial Swarm x1>Kadath: Neurotic Halo x1>Kadath: Gladiatorial Swarm x1>>4171938>>4171939Yeah, okay. The mystery is going to get to me, though. I want to know why they hunted down this specific teleportation power. I really think they used it to try to hack the Crucible's extradimensional systems. But maybe we can do something similar with the Void Orrery and Silver Key, if that turns out to work it would satisfy my curiosity.
>>4171944yeah that is why i am okay with Dorians Teleportation but this ability can teleport you into a goddamn mountain. And as even terminators can tell you that is lethal.>>4171950I think we may have the safer route to cracking the secrets of the crucible.
>>4171966RATH x5 +2 Kadath>Vulcans Hand x2 Kadath >Tormented Drive x2 >Alabaster Endoskeleton >>MURPHY’S MANDATE>>REPETITION'S RESILIENCE
>>4171966that is not at ALL what the general consensus was.you were the only one who wished to not fully get rid of Ver, with three putting all of it into Welcome, and one 4 into Welcome and one into Gladitorial. no one but you took a level-up point and put it into Welcome.
>>4171963When you consume Lyudmila's Welcome, you get it the first level. Verurteilung is at lvl 5, meaning it has 5 points.We got Verurteilung at lvl 1, then invested 4 points into it to get it to lvl 5.Drain 4 points out of Verurteilung and you'll leave Verurteilung at lvl 1.The math checks out.
>>4171971>>4171966not to mention, thats 6 level-up points when we only have 5.>>4171972no, thats not what people wanted and your damn well just trying to bend thing to how YOU want to keep Ver when no one else wants to.
>>4171966Rath>Indignant Ignition>Vulcan’s Hand>Calcite Halo>Repetition’s Resilience>Iconoclastic Touch>Erupting Grasp x2Here's my reasoning for improving Erupting Grasp. The descriptor for Vulcan's Hand reads:>The effects of Erupting Grasp are always active at no upkeep cost and increased by an additional 20% damage and/or efficacy, and any cost-based abilities in the tree have their costs cut in half.If we have more abilities from Erupting Grasp unlocked, which relate to disabling, reversing and destroying relics, we'll have more options to use against Alpha.
>>4171971Ah Damn. Sorry.My eyes are getting tired. lemme go bamboozle.
>>4171972but you are then still missing one point out of the Level pool to make sure you get the 6 things you wanted to consume.>Murphys Mandate>Repetitions Resilience>Neon Ascendant(2)>Gladiatorial Swarm>Lyudmilas WelcomeThese are 5 points one of which has to be weighted twice. That makes 6 pointsSo that would be six points out of the level up pool. The one extra level we get form taking off Verurteilung completely
>>4171975That's sensible. Even if it just gives a damage bonus, well that's more damage for the always-on Erupting Grasp effect. I'd like to keep away from Indignant Ignition for the moment, though, Rath needs more defenses.>>4171966>Murphy's Mandate>Repetition's Resilience>Alabaster Endoskeleton x2>Calcite Halo x1>Kadath: Erupting Grasp x2
>>4171968Drive is a bad pick. we specifically dont want Alpha to get over speed hyped, remember?>>4171975Icon is still a terrible pick, its one time use and West Alpha can just recycle whatever we hit with it.>>4171984>>4171975also Vulcan would probably give us more, and Grasp was more of powering up Relics ,not hurting them. and we will just get that from Vulcan, but with other benefits.
>>4171929>>4171930>>4171936>>4171942>>4171950Gentlemen. Sorry for the inconvenience. I'm getting a little bit cross-eyed.This is the new result for Gina. >Murphys Mandate>Repetitions Resilience>Neon Ascendant(2)>Gladiatorial Swarm>Ivory Aeturnum(2) Kadath>Use the Engine to strip remove Verurteilung, get 5 points from completely refining Verurteilun, then Consume Lyudmilas Welcome and boost it to lvl 5. Back to Voting on Rath
>>4171984>>4171978also, is Alpha immune to cold? i cant remember but i didn't think she was?
>>4171994>also Vulcan would probably give us more, and Grasp was more of powering up Relics ,not hurting them. and we will just get that from Vulcan, but with other benefits.Maybe. But Erupting Grasp does have powers that cause Relics to recoil on the user when they're hit by them. I suppose that might not be necessary, though, if we're doing Murphy spam and having Julia teleport-eat anything that Alpha does manage to craft. Give me a moment, I'll think about it.
>>4172000Rath; 5+2 Points>Murphys Mandate>Repetitions Resilience>Calcite Halo(2)>Unrelenting Cold>>Vulcans Hand(2)
>>4172002She is. Here's her list of immunities. Granted, it might be out of date, this was from before her anti-Defiants upgrades.>>WEST ALPHA>>HEALTH: 36,560% (+6520%)>>BIO: Unusable, generative power re-routed through Forge Core Matrix.>>ACT: 6/6>>RELICS: Variable, prefers augmentation-based and mix of melee/speed enhancers. Possesses four Tier 5 Forge Cores, Generation Halo.>>IMMUNE: Acid, Frost, Blunt, Crushing.>>ABSORB: Heat, Elec>>UNIQUE - Unfeeling: Utterly immune to any and all positive or negative emotion-influencing abilities from any source.
>>4172002>>WEST ALPHA>>HEALTH: 36,560% (+6520%)>>BIO: Unusable, generative power re-routed through Forge Core Matrix.>>ACT: 6/6>>RELICS: Variable, prefers augmentation-based and mix of melee/speed enhancers. Possesses four Tier 5 Forge Cores, Generation Halo.>>IMMUNE: Acid, Frost, Blunt, Crushing.>>ABSORB: Heat, Elec>>UNIQUE - Unfeeling: Utterly immune to any and all positive or negative emotion-influencing abilities from any source.
>>4172007grah, damn, but fair enough.>>4172000>>4172006Amending;Rath; 5+2 Points>Murphys Mandate>Repetitions Resilience>Calcite Halo(2)>Alabaster Endoskeleton>>Vulcans Hand(2)
>>4171994Erupting Grasp Lvl 3:>Erupting Grasp’s most recent increase in power now allows Rath to pour 150% BIO into a single, devastating strike that boasts the unique ability to temporarily disable any active Relics the target is in possession of, rendering worn Relics briefly useless and opening the wearer up to powerful follow-up attacks.Lvl 5:>At a cost of 300% BIO, Rath may prime a debilitating blow that is an escalation of this ability’s Lvl 3 power. On hit, this expensive attack automatically causes all equipped Relics on the target to violently recoil, turning boons into devastating status ailments or causing weapons to misfire in the user’s face.Erupting Grasp has a 50/50 mix of abilities. Half of them are based on self-empowerment, while the other half are based on targeting the enemy's relics. And if their costs are halved with Vulcan's Hand, then I think that EG would be a better use of Knowable Kadath than VH for this particular battle.
>>4171966Ammending from>>4171968to>Vulcans Hand x2 Kadath>Alabaster Endoskeleton x2>Calcite Halo >>MURPHY’S MANDATE>>REPETITION'S RESILIENCE>>4172002Dont think she is... cant remember specifics though i am i had it written down somewhere but i cant find it at the moment. I did a lot of cleanign today and my notes are still missing......And here comes the saving answer>>4172007 so unrelenting cold is useless.
>>4172011>>4172003fair but Vulcan Hands could easily still give us that, while having the boosts of being a Hybrid in effect and Stats. would still be better to get any of that from it with the added stat benefits if nothing else.
>>4172000>Erupting Fist: (1x Kadath)>Phantom Limb (1x Kadath)>Vulcan's Grasp>Alabaster Endoskeleton>Murphy's Mandate>Repetition's Resilience>Calcite haloThe core of Rath's immense strength lies in her Phantom Limb ability. If we can boost that through Kadath, then we can get more mileage out of Rath's Arms.
>>4172000>Murphy's Mandate>Vulcan’s Hand>Calcite Halo>Repetition’s Resilience>Alabaster Endoskeleton>Erupting Grasp x2
>>4172016while very very true, in this specific fight Erupting Grasp or Vulcan either will still probably help us alot more, assuming they give us some of their anti-relic levels.
>>4172012>And here comes the saving answer>>4172007 (You) so unrelenting cold is useless.It is, but not because Alpha is immune to Cold. Unrelenting Cold is actually not affected by Cold immunity, despite the name, we discovered that when November could still be frozen by the Kinetic Remnant. I think that Unrelenting Cold won't be useful because West will have included some way to clear Stacks in the upgrades she made to Alpha, as a counter to Julia. That's an obvious inclusion to make. Speaking of, does anyone want to hazard a guess at other counters that Alpha might have? Anti-swarmling grenades like Yurei used on us is an obvious counter to Shu, but what about Rath or Gina?
>>4172027probably something to use Raths momentum against her. Something like Yureis Balance stacks. Against Gian Neuromantic defences and of course the crushing immunity.Probably also a way to ignore difficult terrain.
>>4172027Did you vote? I'm sorry but I had to bamboozle the previous update post. please link your proposal. to this post >>4172000
>>4172027getting rid of self immunity to damage, especially heat/radiant, on Rath would be a death sentence to her possibly. Gina... unsure. the Halos are so odd she might not be able to counter them, so neuromantic backlash might not be feasible. but it most certainly will be something to impede her neuromancy, if only via very strong defenses against it.also anti-terrarofming. we use that way too much. no fucking way she doesn't have anti-terraforming. the real question is what kind and how its implemented. if its more defensive we're good, if its counters or backlash, we might be in a spot of trouble. also depend on how far out she can anti-Terraform.
>>4172030I also forgot to tell you to link to the vote to the proper post here: >>4172000>>4172034Well...We need to remember our preferences and tactics from all of our battles back then. West Alpha tuned itself to match and counter our tactics.
>>4172031I did, but I think it got lost in the bamboozle. Sorry. Let me go again.>>4172000>Murphy's Mandate>Repetition's Resilience>Alabaster Endoskeleton x2>Calcite Halo x1>Kadath: Vulcan's Hand x2Yeah, I've come around to go Hand instead of Grasp. We'll have the Murphy spam to keep Relics from being made, Julia to eat any that do get made, just Erupting Grasp level five should be enough to punish Alpha if she manages to make any.>>4172034We do have Psychica Spiralis, that should protect against any attempt to wrest control of the fleshscape from us. I hope. I'd like to put Shu's Kadath points into it, it's a strong skill and I think it will carry us well.
>>4172039indeed.>>4172040im giving it at least a point yes, but didnt have the points to spare for more than one... well, ok, could take a point from one other thing, but ill wait to hear your argument once we're on Shu and we both have our ideas fully laid out.
>>4172044>>4172043>>4172040>>4172020Gentlemen here are the results.Unanimous:>Murphy's Mandate>Repetition's ResilienceSuper Majority: 4 to 1>Calcite HaloMajority 3 to 2Alabaster Endoskeleton x1>Vulcan's Hand (x2 Kadath)Minority: 2 out of 5>Alabaster Endoskeleton x2Singletons:>Calcite Halo(x2)>Phantom Limb (1x Kadath)>Erupting x2>Erupting Grasp x1So far we have the following locked in with the Majority 3 to 2 as the threshold.>Murphy's Mandate>Repetition's Resilience>Calcite HaloAlabaster Endoskeleton x1>Vulcan's Hand (x2 Kadath)We have 1 point left over. No Kadath points available.Lightning Round time.
>>4172056>Calcite Halobump it up to x2.
>>4172056>Calcite HaloLets make her even tougher with that Halo and see how it bends to her personality and purpose
>>4172056>Calcite HaloGet it and Alabaster Endoskeleton at the same level, both at level six. I'm not saying I'm planning on hybridizing them, just that I'd like Rath's defensive boosts to stay at parity with each other.
>>4172056>Calcite HaloWhen in doubt, more defense.
>>4172062>>4172060>>4172058>>4172057Well then. It is unanimous. Locking in the vote:>Murphy's Mandate>Repetition's Resilience>Calcite Halo x2>Alabaster Endoskeleton x1>Vulcan's Hand (x2 Kadath)And finally Shu. or Us. Shus.....shuuuuuuuuss...Sh(you)sssssss.....Endgame in this court. Post them proposals.
>>4172065Shu; 5+2 Points>Murphys Mandate(2)>Repetitions Resilience>Murderous Flock>Hive>Spiritus>>SpiralisI want to at least see where Magpies Core leads, and think we can afford not to take the stats. Even if we do not wish to use her Core this battle, we can shove it into the Goregrowth Box come Relic Distribution time, so it can grow from the fight. Or we can keep it for the stats. I'm just not sure I want to break it down honestly. I will say I think i'm being influenced too by the fact Shus Core isn't too far from being MAXED, meaning it’ll both free up a slot and be ready for possible hybridization. Though not sure I'd want to slap it into Magpies, only the need to no longer level it aswell as clearing up a slot, possibly two, makes it at least worth thinking about our options, even if only because we have the GoreGrowth to keep things in till we’re ready.As for Murphys, like I said, I want Murphy and Repetition on everyone, but I also want to see where it might lead, and Shu is the best to take that risk on. While I disagree heavily she should stay in the fight the entire time, when she is in, her role as a commander and heavy support makes it best for her to have an extra boost to it.Otherwise her core is always a good idea, and we really need to get that safety level BHOP said is in Spiritus somewhere, aswell as the one where we get allied DDs. either or would help and expand what we can do so so much. Spiralis cause i think we’re gonna need the counters and terrain control.
>>4172065SHU x5 +2 Kadath>Ravenous Maw x1 Kadath>Spiralis x1 Kadath >MURDEROUS FLOCK not sure if rendered down or put into the Goregrowth Box>Hive >Spiritus >>REPETITION'S RESILIENCE>>MURPHY’S MANDATEWell lets get this war started
>>4172065>Murderous Flock (Goregrowth Box)>Repetition’s Resilience>Militia Machinations>Broodmother’s Multitasking>Occam’s Edge>Psychica Spiralis x2Honestly, we have Murphy's Madness on enough characters, and with all of these Hive Mistress augments, we have a real chance to improve Shu's swarms.
>>4172067That build doesn't work, unfortunately. You've got six levels of non-Kadath skills, we only have five available for Shu. I guess we could raise Spiralis two points and then redistribute a point with the Engine over to Murphy's Mandate, if that's what you want?
>>4172067grah, fuck, made a mistake due to thinking Spiritus was Kadathable.well fuck, hrm. gah, fuck it.>>4172065>>4172067amending;>Murphys Mandate>Repetitions Resilience>Murderous Flock>Hive>Spiritus>>Spiralis(2)thanks to Kadath rules my damn tired mind and trying to fit in Flock confused me, i just simply cannot do what i wish. well, i guess i could abuse the fuck out of the engine technically to do so. but, no. i wont. not for something that petty and when ive already made a mistake.
>>4172065Murderous FlockRepetition’s ResilienceMurphy’s MandateTrypophilic HiveDominous BloodlinePsychica Spiralis (2x Kadath)I would like to point out that if we're to stay in this game as the team tank, (because lord knows Alpha's going to beeline straight for us immediately) We'll need to upgrade our lifeline. Also as a side note, We've got a fuckton of Hive Mistress Augs. I wonder if they're compatible with birbs...
>>4172075not taking Murphy defeats the entire point on putting it on everyone.Militia isnt worth it, Shu only ever really utilizes the contender, and its not worth it for a single Relic, no matter how good.we have enough Swarmlings honestly and will get plenty from our core. an augment of only slots really isnt worth it.Shu has no Calcite weaponry, Ocams Edge is worthless on her.
>>4172075>Occam’s Edgepretty worthless on Shu our main output comes not from our calcite drill.>Broodmother’s MultitaskingWE dont truly need this Swarmlingcap Updrade. its just 10 and that i snot that huge a boost.We can do better by having the Murderous Flock in the box and then Hybridizing it since the swarmling pools will probably just merge>>4172080You even had the Spiritus tagged as a non Kadathable skill in your post which i for some reason find hilarious
>>4172088we have the drill but getting an Augment just for that is not worth it. Especially if it isnt even our main damage output
>>4172088It was my understanding that Occam's Edge would apply to Shu's swarmlings, increasing all of the damage dealt by their piercing and slashing attacks.
>>4172084only the 'other abilities' ones. it used to be we could get Ability Specific Augments, but Arbiter stops that as part of nothing conforming to us upon choosing the consume option.a shame personally, as those were often more potent, but is what it is.
>>4172065>Murphy's Mandate>Repetition's Resilience>Murderous Flock>Trypophilic Hive x1>Spiritus Ex Testa>Kadath: Psychica Spiralis x2I'm tempted by Militia Machinations, but I think it's much better for a Pawn-type Hive Mistress like Magpie than us. We'd have, what, sixty swarmlings on the field at max? 60% boost to Relic function is nice, but I'm not sure it's really worth a level.And I'm going to say not to Goregrowth Box Magpie's Core yet. I really want Shu to breach 2000% Health before we go fight the rocket-cyborg, keeping that skill on our sheet guarantees it.>>4172084>I would like to point out that if we're to stay in this game as the team tank, (because lord knows Alpha's going to beeline straight for us immediately) We'll need to upgrade our lifeline. We'd already be draining half of Alpha's Health regen a turn, that would be enough to let us complete regenerate entirely from any hit that doesn't kill us. Upgrading Dominus Bloodline won't give us appreciably more survivability against her.>Also as a side note, We've got a fuckton of Hive Mistress Augs. I wonder if they're compatible with birbs...It could make for some fun scenarios. Like, Chitinous Stalwart is a Hive Mistress Augment. Can we make bird armor instead of bug armor, now?
>>4172094oh, yeah true. and yeah i agree. plus the Drill can be difficult to use and is already horribly strong. it hardly at all needs it. >>4172099it would not, it says only Calcite Armorers. mind you, it would effect our drill ,but i still disagree thats worth it. Drill is too side a weapon and can be hard to use, aswell as is already such a powerhouse it feels redundant. >>4172089yeah, been a weird day for me.
>>4172100Such is the life of the arbiter. You can only give so much attention to the individual before having to go back to judging the masses.
>>4172100>>4172110fuck, i meant Artesinaldamn fucking shit my dyslexia sometimes, i even know i fucked up the spelling on that horribly.
>>4172105I don't think Chitinous Stalwart works with Birbs. I think it's more of a Tryphophilic Hive specific Augmentation.
>>4172109I see. In that case, I'll revise my vote.>>4172065I'll change my vote here:>>4172075To this:>Murderous Flock (Goregrowth Box)>Repetition’s Resilience>Trypophilic Hive>Spiritus Ex Testa>Murphy's Mandate
>>4172114No, you got it right the first time, actually. Arbiter's Appetites is what modifies the Consume process. Artisanal Appetites is Julia's Relic-eating skill.>>4172116It's on the Other Abilities list. Maybe that's an error, then. Well, we've still got some other non-skill specific Augments that would be fun. Diabolic Legion, for example, let our crows breath fire.
>>4172120>>4172065Sorry, almost forgot the Kadath points.>>Kadath: Psychica Spiralis x2
>>4172105we cannot.it is Hive specific. got it before we stopped getting Ability Specific Augments. mind you, we could question if we would've even gotten it without that though. otherwise we probably would've just seen Gladitorial Swarm actually, or something close to it.>>4172121oh, grah, fug.dont do that to me Anon....
>>4172116>Chitinous StalwartIt actually would since it is a general augment and not a specific one.They would also be able to breath fire... I dont remember the birds being so scary they were practically dragons
>>4172125>>4172105wait, it is there.hrm, ill have to double check with BHOP, as the wording and some other things might mean that is wrong. it may of been put in the wrong area/not properly asked about/ gotten mixed up, back when me and BHOP were fixing things, as i swore he said otherwise to that...
>>4172131then we will see tomorrow...your tomorrow at least. i will see it this eveninguntil then let me dream of fire spewing birds that can form into a suit of mail to protect our Cannibalistic Boss Lesbian
>>4172120>>4172105>>4172084>>4172080Gentlemen, we made it.Near unanimous. >Murphy's Mandate>Repetition's Resilience>Murderous Flock>Trypophilic Hive x1>Spiritus Ex Testa>Kadath: Psychica Spiralis x2Spiritus won a supermajority.Murderous Flock won a majority 3 to 1 to 1 (3 votes to Keep murderous Flock, 1 to put it in a box, and 1 that's torn between)COURT HAS ENDED.It has taken 3 hours and 45 minutes. Thank you for your participation.Results will be compiled in the interim.
>>4172140well that's over for now. Good now i will go and pass out in my bed. i still have about an hour i just noticed to take a nap.....I will take the chanceGood Night everyone
>>4172140Alright. And then next afternoon we'll get to see what our new levels do. Here's hoping that learning what Trypophilic Hive level fifteen does isn't going to make us really frustrated we didn't have it before Magpie died.
>>4172140whew.honestly wasnt too bad. dont think there was any massive disagreement overall. good work gents.>>4172144night Anon, hope your day goes well.>>4172147yeah, the next post isnt due til 7EST if i remember, right?
>>4172144Good night, anon. And to everyone else, it's past midnight here and I should head to bed.>>4172149>yeah, the next post isnt due til 7EST if i remember, right?Yep.
>>4172152well, that fine. hope BHOP find the time he needs. and is also at least somewhat surprised by some of our choices.>>4172140you need the final tallies or working on it?
>>4172140Awesome, everything's wrapped up. Good night everyone, excellent work!
>>4172156I'll compile it in the morning. I need to eat my cold chicken.
>>4172161oh, well ive already got it all ready so...but if you really want to, thats fine.
>>4172162oh, really? okay. You can do the compiling then.
>>4172163almighty then.sorry your chicken got cold, by the way.
>>4172140Also, to collect all of the abilities that everyone has gained:Shu:>Murphy's Mandate>Repetition's Resilience>Murderous Flock>Trypophilic Hive x1>Spiritus Ex Testa>Kadath: Psychica Spiralis x2Gina:>Murphys Mandate>Repetitions Resilience>Neon Ascendant(2)>Gladiatorial Swarm>Kadath: Ivory Aeturnum x2 Kadath>Use the Engine to strip and remove Verurteilung, get 5 points from completely refining Verurteilung, then Consume Lyudmila's Welcome and boost it to Lvl 5.Rath:>Murphy's Mandate>Repetition's Resilience>Calcite Halo x2>Alabaster Endoskeleton x1>Kadath: Vulcan's Hand x2Dorian:>Repetition's Resilience>Red Death x2>Calcite Halo x2>Kadath: Resplendent Thread x2Amara:>Murphy's Mandate x1>Repetitions Resilience x1>Joyous Many x1>Oxygenic Artillery x1>Occam's Edge x1>Kadath: Hunter's Honor x1, Queen Crimson x1Julia:>Pilferer's Palm x1>Murphy's Mandate x1>Repetition's Resilience x1>Elemental Digestion x1>Calcite Halo x3>Artisanal Appetites x3>Sculptress of the Flesh x1>Kadath: Carnivorous Carver x2Francine:>Murphy's Mandate x1>Repetition's Resilience x1>Asklepian Ward x1>Calcite Halo x2>Kadath: Gatling Fang x2
>>4171500>>4171503Finalized Votes BHOP;the ">>" are Kadath.Total Points; 36 Points +2 Kadath perShu; 5+2 Points>Murphy's Mandate>Repetition's Resilience>Murderous Flock>Trypophilic Hive>Spiritus Ex Testa>>Psychica Spiralis x2Rath; 5+2 Points>Murphy's Mandate>Repetition's Resilience>Calcite Halo x2>Alabaster Endoskeleton >>Vulcan's Hand x2Gina; 5+2 Points>Murphys Mandate>Repetitions Resilience>Neon Ascendant(2)>Gladiatorial Swarm>>Ivory Aeturnum(2)>Replace x5 Verteilung with x5 Lyudmilas WelcomeDorian; 5+2 Points>Repetition's Resilience>Red Death x2>Calcite Halo x2>>Resplendent Thread x2Amara; 5+2 Points>Murphys Mandate>Repetitions Resilience>Ocams Edge>Joyous Many >Oxygenic Artillery >>Hunter's honor >>Queen Crimson Francine; 5+2 Points>Murphys Mandate>Repetitions Resilience>Asklepian Ward>Calcite Halo x2>>Gatling Fang x2Julia; 11+2 Points>Murphy's Mandate >Repetition's Resilience >Pilferer's Palm>Calcite Halo x3>Artisanal Appetites x3>Sculptress of Flesh >Carnivorous Carver>>Carnivorous Carver>>Elemental Digestion
now im off for the night.thanks >>4172163for Arbitering. dont let the mistakes get you down either, you learn by doing and i certainly was off in some ways tonight too.cheers lads.
Anyways. we've got 4 teams of daughters that are coming to fight West Alpha....Hang a tick.Shu's Family: 8 (+4 Spiritus, 1 Tank, Fuzzbuzz, and Marco)1. Shu (and Uzu, B’ni, Johanna, and Holly)2. Gina3. Rath4. Dorian5. Julia6. Francine7. Amara (and Fuzzbuzz)8. November (and Marco and her Tank)Midnight Crew: 49. Ace 10. King11. Quinn12. JackieBarbers: 413. Sugar14. Sia15. Rosa16. BettyHyenas: 6 (+?)17. Ivey18. Razorback19. Glinthorn20. Marco21. Blitzen22. AnnaOthers: Tinker Tailor(?)This ain't a simple battle. This is a fucking World of Warcraft World Boss Raid! And Shu's the bloody Aggro/Taunt Tank!
>>4172178And however many Joyous clones Amara's bringing, as well.BHOP, as a fellow GM, I feel for you, bud.
>>4172178you know, while im suddenly hungry and need to grill up a hot dog real quick, two things...one, we still do not know exactly why November allowed Tinker Tailor to touch her Tank. maybe i read BHOPs message wrong, but felt like he was implying it was more than just how awesome the upgrades were that convinced her.and on that note, just had an interesting thought... wonder what Tinker Tailor could do to the Guardians Hearts? my first guess would be something akin to adding in something like Shus 'constructs get smarter over time" augment, but might also make them more free willed, such as having to actually treat them well or they might stop wanting to protect you.
>>4172180And all of the constructs. And you know what's the worst part? We have to fight West Alpha in small skirmishes and small teams and put them on a constant rotation!This is a Marathon boss fight!
>>4172178>>4172180>>4172196I think OP will need something more like Pic related for this fight. At least in quantity
And I'm up. Let's see what everyone else voted on.I would've liked for Shu to get Militia Machinations. It goes pretty well with her since she regularly puts out lots of constructs, and might not be restricted to the swarmling cap if the Hundred-Handed arms counted (Generators usually don't have construct limits). It would've been a nice boost for the Contender.Maybe more people should've gotten Pilferer's Palm, to try and take away a maximum number of Alpha's relics in combat. I think it would've been good on Rath at least, due to the line about the violent return of the relic could be made into an opportunity. She could place explosive boils on the relic before it's returned to Alpha and detonate them in her face when it happens.It's not that surprising that nobody took Iconoclastic Touch. That "first strike in combat" part makes its use pretty limiting, and Alpha is known for recycling relics and pulling out new ones. It just sounds like it would've been a waste of points for the upcoming fight.
>>4172457>tfw I went to sleep and dreamt of browsing this thread where anons somehow who spent about 40 posts while posting porn pics in a conversation topic in this very thread despite this being a blueboard. Never in my life have I woken up so confused.Now that I had my rest and woke up and read this post and re-read Magpie's augmentation I now feel like kicking myself for not voting it because I just realized that we don't really actively send in our constructs as active attackers. We spawn Knightlings, banelings, hundred Handed arm constructs, platelings, rooks, grapplings... But we never really lose them in such frequency that we would have to spend actions to keep spawning more, not to mention our lvl 12 core ability that lets us technically go past our slot limit by way of attaching swarmlings that give buffs to our allies (al la suiting everyone up in platelings)
>>4172457>>4172592it almost certainly meant minion constructs over all types, and regardless, even with the Contender Shu does not rely on relics enough to waste an augment on a relic booster. its also really not that good a boost, even if we can get it pretty high. its just not that good at all to take over anything else.>>4172457i guess i can see your point on Rath maybe taking Pilfers, but only on her. and even then, unlike Julia we had much less wiggle room on votes, and i think getting her anti-relic up with Vulcans in general aswell as her defenses was a better bet. we simply didnt have the voting room on her to make it worth taking, especially when Alpha basically can negate her boils mostly anyways so without getting her anti-relic up first anyways it wouldnt serve a purpose.
>>4172170Initial stat bonuses gained from CONSUME options and Stat Losses from ENGINE USE:Shu>Murphy's Mandate (HEALTH +120%, HEALTH REGEN +40%)>Repetition's Resilience (HEALTH +180%, HEALTH REGEN +30%)>Murderous Flock (HEALTH +300%, BIO +400%)Shu's Total: HP +600%, HP Regen +70%, Bio +400%Rath>Murphy's Mandate (HEALTH +120%, HEALTH REGEN +40%)>Repetition's Resilience (HEALTH +180%, HEALTH REGEN +30%)Rath's Total: HP +300%, HP Regen +70%Gina>Murphy's Mandate (HEALTH +120%, HEALTH REGEN +40%)>Repetition's Resilience (HEALTH +180%, HEALTH REGEN +30%)>Lyudmilas Welcome (HEALTH +140%, BIO +250%, BIO REGEN +50%)>Verurteilung (Disassembled for 5 points): (HEALTH -80%) Gina's Total: HP +360%, HP Regen+70%, Bio +250%, Bio Regen +50%Dorian>Repetition's Resilience (HEALTH +180%, HEALTH REGEN +30%)Dorian's Total: HP +180%, HP Regen +30%Amara>Murphy's Mandate (HEALTH +120%, HEALTH REGEN +40%)>Repetition's Resilience (HEALTH +180%, HEALTH REGEN +30%)>Occam's Edge (BIO +80%)Amara's total Total: HP +300%, HP Regen +70%, Bio +80%Francine>Murphy's Mandate (HEALTH +120%, HEALTH REGEN +40%)>Repetition's Resilience (HEALTH +180%, HEALTH REGEN +30%)Francine's Total: HP +300%, HP Regen +70%Julia>Murphy's Mandate (HEALTH +120%, HEALTH REGEN +40%)>Repetition's Resilience (HEALTH +180%, HEALTH REGEN +30%)>Pilferer's Palm (BIO +100%, BIO REGEN +20%)Julia's Total: HP +300%, HP Regen +70%, Bio +100%, Bio Regen +20%>>4172636I do have a thought however considering Verurteilung. Do you think we should Remove the two Verurteilung levels from Amara and transfer it to Rath to hybridize it with Unrelenting Cold? We are at home base and have the Engine available. The only thing that Amara will be losing out on is a mere 40% HP from her 1940% HP, bringing her down to a nice 1900% Health.Because what I'm thinking is that Currently Aside from Gina (who disassembled Verurteilung for Lyudmila's welcome), We have Dorian who Wields Verurteilung at lvl 3, but that aura has GREAT synergy with Red Death and the innate FEAR effects it has. However Amara has Verurteilung at lvl 2 which can't seem to find a place in her current kit. There's been mentions of giving Rath Verurteilung so she could put it to really great use due to the synergies between the encroaching FROST stacks as well as the concentration breaking FEAR effects due to her up-close and personal fighting style.
>>4172717To be honest i wanted to have that on her to hybridize it with Queen. I want the fear inducing carnage symbiote so she can be a scary ninja cat girl with a scary sidekick
>>4172717i mean, im for it sure. Amara doesn't use it afterall. only thing is, it wont help here against Alpha, so trying to get everyone here to convince to do that may just be too much of a hassle to try and squeeze in, assuming we have voting time left that is.honestly im not sure Dorian needs it too, least not by itself. the issue is, while the effects Ver gives off are good for Dorian, his specific playstyle makes it usually very difficult for him to actually apply them outside of when hes more stationary with Masque of War, which itself is situational. he just has trouble actually applying it and thus we wont ever really have a reason to level him up or remember to turn it on or utilize it on him, because trying to would break and interfere with how we usually play him.
>>4172720its a fun idea thematically but mechanically they really dont fit together nor do i think we would really actually do much with it.
>>4172725yeah i know...... It can still be used defensively but its probably something we will one day scrap....I would not know for what however.
>>4172724and voting ended about an hour and a half ago... so actually right around the time i finished my two hour nap..
>>4172728so it was.thanks, was cooking so couldn't check myself.
>>4172724Also, I can't help but think that Dorian needs at least one or two defensive abilities that can help him either take a hit or dodge like he's Neo in the Matrix when he has to stand still. The Paranoid Pendant would be a great relic to boost his dodge chance and aid his already insane agility, but right now Shu will need it for taunt-tanking West Alpha. But if we do have time, we could duplicate the pendant with the forge depending on the Pendant's Tier in the Relic Tier list. A dodge chance + counterattack accessory relic seems like a high end Tier-2 Relic.
>>4172737sure, and yeah its probably Tier-2, but we'll see.
>>4172736>>4172727Speaking of which, I wonder what sort of Ammunition Gina will use given that she now has a gun of her own.Neurodarts? Acid Hollowpoints? Spines? Cancer bullets? Oh god. She can put a Cancer payload into her bullets now.
>>4172748depends. possibly nothing yet, as it depends exactly on how Magpie turned her Core into nothing but ammo. could be she meant more metaphorically, like she just made it useful as nothing but putting it into the gun, but could also be we just didn't role a component or hybrid or something thats missing from that equation. probably is just the gun though can eventually take other abilities and turn them into ammo though yeah, but probably only abilities, not augments, so no cancer.
>>4172754>>4172748actually, Cancer Payload is pretty damn interesting. i think its the only attack.weaponized augment we have seen. only Chitinous comes anywhere close to it in terms of strangeness for an augment, and BHOP already said Chitinous is really unusual and weird in alot of ways, so that does make me really curious about Cancerous Payload, because comparatively its even more an oddball than Chitinous.
>>4172748The gun will probably allow for the application of nearly all of her arsenal. Though until higher levels we might have to craft that Ammo at a forge.>>4172755Yeah shooting out the cancer at long range will be a serious boon to Gina. Yeah those Augments are really interesting and pretty unique. >>4172748>>4172754Also sorry it took me a while to answer i was making dinner and that salad wasn't gonna clean itself up
>>4172755My guess is that it was actually because of the cancer itself. Cancer is out of control cellular mutation and replication. Kosi's biomass apparently copied the cancer over despite replacing every cell she had, so at some level her biomass must have gotten the idea of "this person's cells are supposed to mutate". And then that causes her biomass to develop in weird directions that twist it into atypical manifestations.
>>4172755>After numerous revisions, re-reads, and rewrites, the epilogue chapter is finally at a stage where I can move on to working on the other chapters.>take a step back to see the chapter length>32 pages. enough to break them into 4 sections of equal length enough to be their own chapter. >Jesus fucking christ.
(Gentlemen, I've been trying to push myself through the day, but I have to admit that between a terrible night's sleep and a rough week, I'm utterly exhausted. I'll be postponing the level-up post until Monday morning at around 10:00AM, Eastern time.)(Thank you all so much for your patience, and I'm going to go take a blasted nap.)
>>4173081We figured. The West Alpha prep and the fight itself will be utter hell for everyone involved.
>>4173081Oh, I'm sorry to hear you've had a rough week, BHOP. Yeah, go take a nap, man. Get as much rest as you can, we all want you to be well. See you Monday, then.
>>4173081I understand, and thank you for being honest with us about it. Hope your weekend is relaxing, you both deserve and could use it.
>>4173073whew, thats one damn long epilogue. But looking forward to it.
>>4173081Stay safe and stay healthy. You may be either working at home or on an essential business, but your safety is #1
>>4173081hey BHOP (and others), this little thing just released today. more of a comedy-horror vibe, but still, it got some chuckles outta me. plus, its from an artist that if i hadn't found his horror stories on his other channel, id probably not of gotten into horror at all, so ill admit a certain bias too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgNz7ltN-Nk
>>4174164You are right its quite hilarious..... What the fuck is wrong with me>>4173081>I'm going to go take a blasted napGood thing OP. Stay safe and healthy.Have a nice weekend.>>4173081>>4174145>>4173165>>4174164Also my buddy got back to regarding the 10th Chapter...... He didn't find anything i messed up outrageouslySo lets not beat around the bush here it isACT 2Chapter 10: Kingslayer 04.04.2020 *NEW*After fulfilling their first Milk Run the crew finds that they are not to welcome in Duisburg. The weather seems to agree and when they finally do make it to England they find someone in need.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YrN28-QOeFj_kUZ8HFATyTnX0J2btrWF9p69n38QLWU/edit?usp=sharingIf you find anything you think i should fix or that makes absolutely no sense please let me know
>>4174252Oh neat, they have their own titles now.
>>4174252>>4174164>>4173165>>4173081>>4172720Gentlemen, Chapter 3 of "Carter and the Town of Cradleton" is done. Have a read:"Carter and the Town of Cradleton" Chapter 3: Charlotte's Parlorhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1SbVu5CYKJTw99lS8rLg4ZQurpq46RsFw/edit#Author's note: My initial draft was around 7 pages, it then tripled in length after I was done with all of the dialogue and the conversation topics that I wanted to cover. I hope to get some of your feedback on what you think of Charlotte, the owner of the establishment.I would appreciate any and all feedback regarding the latest chapter. any questions regarding future chapters in this story will have to be under spoilers.
>>4176430That cult sounds an awful lot like a slanesshi cult...... I know its not but stillFilthy degeneratesThat ending..... Oh boy thats not gonna be good for our little Carter boy....Also interesting about that announcement of Mother that she made.......Well considering what Luna did to Ozmas....... yeah probably the reasonable thing to doI like Charlotte i have to say...... she isn't gonna survive this is she
>>4176430overall very good. spoilers for spoilers;while i wont lie that i caught on to what was happening pretty fast with the bar scene and the drinks, you still pulled it off splendidly and i was reeling with laughter. seeing Carter get serious was a nice touch to it all too. fun scene and joke, though Charlotte was still a mild ass for it. the shift towards the more serious section was done very well and felt quite natural. the Luna Bonney section was a bit strange ill admit, not not in the 'luna strange' kinda way. but it wasn't overly jarring or distracting so its fine.nice touch on Carter being smart enough to notice her threat and plan was to actually kill him, despite her trying to play it off as a joke. nice gesture at the end too with him giving her the sack, all fit nicely together. and the ending shifted to me sputtering with a bit of laughter too. know a door probably is more shock and pain than actual life threatening damage to a Crucible participant, but still, damn, poor Carter. OUCH. as stated, very good job.only possible minor complaint is Carter mentioning he was a virgin did feel out of place and weird. while it probably is a question he gets more than he would like, it still feels like given his overall demeanor and how you portray him too(not that i disagree with how you do, if anything the fact i agree simply adds to this) makes that feel like something he would still not casually bring up, given his more high class attitude and overall discomfort at such topics. but its not a big complaint, only just a bit jarring in the context of how you otherwise portray him. only other thing i can think to say negatively is during the Luna segment, some of the wording felt really off and hard to read, and not in a way really implied to be because they were talking about Luna, or if so, was then maybe a step too far affecting its actual readability too much even given the topic. probably also why like i said earlier that part didn't feel as fitting overall maybe.as for Charlotte because you asked, very nice character. fit here theme too spectacularly. on the surface id say shes not bad, but nothing special, but the fact shes using that as buildup and cover up to her more subversive and coy traits works really well and fits her theme well too. good job.looking forward to more, you're doing good so far for sure. best chapter by far, though i think length does have its advantages so might not be the fairest comparison, as the other chapters did do what they needed.also, i hope to get the newest chapter of the Pepperbox Gang done today, as a little self birthday present to myself. but as im visiting my parents later no promises, though i think thats mostly no promises to myself over anything, heh.
>>4176430>>4176718oh, also the implications about the town and the girl he met on its outskirts now makes me kinda sad for her, which bravo on making me feel that way even mildly for a prostitute who sexually harassed someone. but desperation is a bitch, especially when its over something that wouldn't be starving to death, but you turning into a mindless monster in constant hunger pains and mental insanity you can never escape from. still though, girl, not good for your customer base to do that. flash some tittie or something to get a mans attention instead, or something.
>>4176718So its your birthday then?Congratulations form Europe then
>>4176729indeed, and thanks.not the best time for a birthday though, but ill make due. could be worse, much worse actually, all things considered.
>>4175357I hope that is not the only thing you found remarkableSo i hope you enjoyed the rest of the story as well
>>4176807I did. Nice fight with the Overlord. Sorry if the comment is sparse but I'm still reading Carter right now, so I'll probably revisit this later.
>>4176813Sure no problem i was just kinda wondering if there was nothing else to comment on. Because whats worse than having written something bad is having written something that will not be remembered
>>4176730(Happy Birthday, Anon! I hope you have a fantastic one!)(I'm looking forward to catching up on everything today.)
>>4176912thanks, and hope your weekend was swell and finishes off swell too.
>>4176730Happy birthday, anon. I know what you mean, my birthday was recently too. It's kind of a depressing time to have a celebration. But like you said, things could be a lot worse for us all.
Right, going back through these in reverse order. Was having computer troubles the past day or so, just getting around to properly reading this.>>4176430Well, that's just rude of Charlotte, insisting that Carter's a girl. Like, even if Carter's circumstances are rare you have to know that there are transmen in the Crucible, lady. It's 2022, get woke.I like the spiders all clamoring for a drink. Adorable. Okay, Charlotte's getting suspicious with her inability to serve a proper order. It's way too blatant for her to be pulling a trick, so has her mind been compromised somehow? Or am I misreading this and she's just that bad at running a scam?No, she's just that bad at running a scam. Granted, Carter is that bad at recognizing it. Seriously, man, you didn't notice she was serving the spiders? I'm embarrassed for you both. And the town was founded by Mara and Magpie. Because of course it was. At least the brothel thing was not Mara's idea. Granted, if stoner town was an idea of hers, I don't know why sex town couldn't be.>You wouldn’t believe how many daughters there are out in the Crucible who falls on some part of the LGBT rainbow spectrum. Yeah, it's kind of weird how gay the Crucible is, isn't it? I'm genuinely starting to wonder if it was a rule set by a past Mother. Seems like everyone in the Crucible is at minimum bi. Well, Dorian's straight, but the Crucible misgenders him so it may see him as a lesbian.Oh, and there's a super-thirsty sex cult. That want to murderfuck any male they can find. Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear. And Carter with his own hangups about sexuality. Yeah, this is not a good town for him. Get out the moment you can, Carter. Please, I fear for you. But I know that this is just part three of a seven-part tale, so I know you won't. And now they're bonding over how crazy Luna Bonney is. Well, that's nice for them. >Being able to go through a day without having to face a hunger check is what I consider a good day.This feels like a bit too meta a line. Maybe replace with "without having to struggle with the hunger", instead.Oh, and Charlotte was going to eat him but the spider pals were too cute for her to go through with it. Good on Carter for recognizing that it wasn't a joke, I'm still embarrased for him not catching on to the drink situation sooner.
>>4176947thanks.and oof, sorry your own B-day wasnt the best.>>4176952oh, and your computer is giving you trouble. damn sorry it sounds like you cant catch a break, even if its more the timing of the posts compared to actual time between them, but still.it is strange, but it was confirmed i think straight girls still are in the majority. I think alot of it more has to do with option in general. you may not actually be bi or lesbian, but when theres nothing around you but other females... well... couple a lack of options with the deeper connections fighting for your life will already give, and I wouldn't be surprised if alot more than you would think are willing to ignore part of their feelings in exchange for the comfort of other parts. which might be unhealthy in the long run but even those who may believe in another route to beat the crucible cant be sure said way would involve everyone suddenly coming back, so it leaves even planning for the future a dubious cause not to comprise with yourself.and yeah, Carter was slow on the uptake. if it was just she could read private communication channels, sure, you just dont expect it enough to think to look for signs. but she owns a web themed bar and is spider themed. id almost of expected her to understand them without the other ability. ill chop it up to the fact he had a rough day though... hah, this is actually the same day he met Luna technically, or witihn 24 hours of it. yeah, Carter probably should've gone for at least a watered down drink, sex-cult town or no, poor bastard.also, i agree on the meta feeling of the wording there, but im pretty sure in the main quest 'game' terminology has been used, so i think it gets pass out for that. i mean, i agree we dont have to like it in either case, just that its not unheard of for Daughters to see and even feel certain aspects are 'game like'.
>>4174252>and oof, sorry your own B-day wasnt the best.I mean, it wasn't terrible, but current events did cast a pall over it.>oh, and your computer is giving you trouble. damn sorry it sounds like you cant catch a break, even if its more the timing of the posts compared to actual time between them, but still.Nah, nothing too serious, just dealing with some major slowdown issues and connectivity problems. Nothing that couldn't be fixed, just really annoying to deal with.>it is strange, but it was confirmed i think straight girls still are in the majority.Was it? I guess it must be a selection bias, then, Shu just keeps running into all the gay girls. Every character whose sexuality has been mentioned has been into women. I think there probably is some element of situational sexuality going on for a lot of people, but the ones Shu meets are full-on queer.>hah, this is actually the same day he met Luna technically, or witihn 24 hours of it. yeah, Carter probably should've gone for at least a watered down drink, sex-cult town or no, poor bastard.You know, that is a good point, Carter did just encounter Luna a couple hours ago. Him being out of sorts is understandable. I withdraw my criticism of you, Carter.
>>4176990You should probably link to this post>>4176967instead of my post regarding the 10th chapter
>>4176995God, sorry. I was typing up my comments on the tenth chapter of your story and must have gotten some things cross-wired.
>>4177000No worriesThough i am sorry about hearing of your computer troubles.
>>4176990ah, well glad to hear on both.and yeah, though not sure the exact dos and dahs of it all. back at the monastery when Dorian got his fanclub, it was asked of BHOP i think, and he did mention they were still the majority. mind you, how big of a majority certainly is certainly something to call into question. id say probably jumped up to like, 1/10th? 1/8th? is clam lovers, over the like, less than 1% now-a-days. various reasons, some arguably hot takes but statistically backed up, probably make them alot more common than before.that does bring up the fact once the crucible is over, if we do bring even just a fraction of the population back, alot of hearts may be broken in both directions.once the existential and mental horror of it all subsides of course.
>>4174252I really like the little biomass tokens the girls pay with. In the quest we tend to see biomass as an abstracted resource, having it be distinct objects is fun and creative.Likewise, I really like this almost metropolitan area they're in. Lots of industry and people building on a grand scale instead of the individual work we see in our region of the Crucible. That's always been one of the most interesting parts of your story, to me, that it's set in a part of the world where people have built back up in a more organized fashion. Really changes the tone of things, to have the characters be interacting with a real society instead of just settlements. Lydia bantering with Mina about flying drunk is cute.Mugging in the Crucible just seems really ill-advised, though. Everyone here is an armed killer. The risk to reward ratio doing this in a crowded area just seems too high, especially when there is a very strong incentive to prevent run-away violence. Having a more organized society has made some people bold, I guess, make them forget the situation they're in.Wow, Rara really getting bloodthirsty in response to attempted violence against her. Understandable, but still a rather chilling moment. The Avenger's commentary is not helping.The new abilities are pretty cool. I like Mina's especially, should go well with the bird theme.Feels like the Overlord segment starts out a bit rushed. There's a lot of tell instead of show, there, things like Ironskull chewing out Annika could stand to be written out. The Amalgam turf war is really cool, though. And the dragon has a piece of Avenger in it? Interesting. All in all, very solid fight scene.Aww, sleepy Avenger tired from a big meal. I should not find that thing cute.And new British friends! With London apparently being full of Titans. That's got some potential for interesting scenes. Nice place to end it, good little cliffhanger.
>>4177064. In the quest we tend to see biomass as an abstracted resource, having it be distinct objects is fun and creative.I felt that it would be appropriate since while that BIO is sin storage it might as well be energy. But once it enters our reality or whatever happens with it it will need to be frozen in some way which is what we then see as their body parts/constructs they manifestLikewise, I really like this almost metropolitan area they're in. Yeah Duisburg is a large center of commerce since they can make ships to cross the oceans and are relatively well located to take advantage of such things as traderoutes for people searching for materials or specific abilites..... Yes they provide services to allow for the rearrangement of abilities using their engine. Also judges in matters of disputes that both sides do not wish to use violence on but can not settle any other way.that it's set in a part of the world where people have built back up in a more organized fashion.As a German i feel we have a very strong desire for order and hierachies.... so i thought that with that mindset organisations would pop up pretty quickly and could even sustain comparatively large settlementsI should not find that thing cute. You are correct you shouldn't. Its a very dangerous thing..... That will murder anything and anyone calling it cute ;)Feels like the Overlord segment starts out a bit rushedI admit it was very difficult for me to find a better transitionMugging in the Crucible just seems really ill-advised, though.They mostly relied on mugging people that had just made big purchases at the market and were either alone or attempting to leave the city.
>>4177064The new abilities are pretty cool.Which ability specifically i take it you mean the Fatalis Wrath. Yes?
>>4177139That is cool, but I actually meant Conqueror's Gaze. Enhanced vision, plays nicely into the bird of prey thing.
>>4177161ah okay. i was just trying to confirm it is also why Mina wanted it.
>>4177015>>4176952>>4176725>>4176718>>4176615First off, reading your feedback makes me very giddy and happy to see that you enjoyed the chapter overall. And second: Holy shit I never knew my latest chapter would spark such a discussion.Now for my response to some of your comments. spoilered of course. Due to the length it will be a 2-post response.First of all I'm glad that many people here liked Charlotte. She was originally a one-off daughter who would provide exposition for Carter and establish the true dangers of the town (that being almost every resident in Cradleton is thirsty as fuck), but as I kept writing, she developed a personality of her own and just took off with her quirks. As you've all figured, she can be a bit of a sadistic troll/tease. And as Carter had stated, she tends to "play with her food", which naturally led to her getting nervous and shy when Carter went on the proverbial offensive. She's can be very terrifying when she's in her element and plays for keeps by holding all the cards in her many hands, but as you saw, a few choice words from Carter can almost instantly disarm her of her fangs. It also helps that she thinks Carter's cute.For Carter to admit he's a virgin to Charlotte, on top of revealing his true gender. Yes, it feels like it's a bit jarring, but I also felt that given the location he's currently in (a settlement that's essentially one giant whorehouse), he would preempt the virginity question to prevent further teasing from the bartending spider. Not that it stopped Charlotte from teasing Carter an opportunity to have sex with her just to enjoy his flustered flailing at his sexual inexperience.For the Drink order shenanigans, Carter's first glass (when Charlotte served him Everclear) was her best opportunity on ambushing Carter when he had least suspected it. Charlotte had an ability doubled the effect of any current poison based substance, which would've made the already high proof everclear even more toxic. He would've been a goner had he actually drank it. Except Carter knew his drinks due to his experienced palette and wanted to make sure his drinks weren't spiked. He may be frazzled and desperate for a drink, but he still understands the situation he was in so he decided to be cautious. So when Carter tested his drink to see if it was actually water and saw that his drink caught fire, Charlotte's plan fell apart. The subsequent drink servings was Charlotte trying to improvise and scramble for fallback plans to keep him around while waiting for a better opportunity to strike. And when Carter showed no signs of terror or fear under Charlotte's Death glare conduit ability, she couldn't convince herself to follow through with attacking even after her hand has been fully revealed. In essence, Carter sprung the trap, but Charlotte lost her nerve halfway through and admitted defeat.1/2
>>4177229>>4177015>>4176952>>4176725>>4176718>>4176615As for why the Everclear dialogue exchange. I wanted to replicate a gag that I saw on youtube as seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxcxskVPSwc Obviously if Carter fell for the gag as seen in the video he would've been toast, but I still wanted to include it to both a) see if someone got the reference. and b) still try and evoke the same comedic atmosphere. The Luna Bonney segment: I see that some of you have said the text warping and altering certain words and phrases was a bit too jarring. To that I say that I'm sorry about that. I couldn't help myself. The segment where Carter asks about Charlotte about Luna Bonney and her subsequent reaction to it was to provide exposition to Carter that he's not the only one who has to suffer through Luna's madness. Short story where Metal Maw and Glow Bug had the misfortune of suffering Luna's Lunacy (the rabbit was originally trying to ask for directions in a very sideways roundabout way), was an attempt to shine a bigger spotlight on how dangerous Luna's reputation is through Metal Maw's Hivephone call with Tyrian Rex, but I felt that a simple phonecall to the leader of one of the factions and having a request for a vacation approved by simply namedropping Luna Bonney couldn't really encompass the sheer hazard potential that Luna posed to everyone. Thus having Ozmas make a global announcement to have everyone stay away from Luna after Luna made her lvl 5 choice. And the story that Charlotte heard about where Luna basically wrecked the local physics was actually one of Ozma's idle attempts to contain her in a local temporal prison bubble. Ozmas managed to lock away the Omnicore daughter and the daughter with the broken Tindalos power, so it would make sense for Ozmas to try her hand at caging the mad rabbit. It went horribly wrong of course, hence Charlotte's tale and the reason why Luna Bonney still roams the globe to this day. The which led to next best thing Ozmas could reasonably do which is basically tell everyone on the planet to stay away from her. If Ozmas tried to lock Luna's twin innate cores, then her foreign augmentation would kick in and infect the Crucible's operating systems from the Admin console, which is why certain words and subject matter that has relevancy to Luna's existence tend to get the altered text that you would sometimes see. To chime in on your discussion on the brothel and sex cult's existence related to the Crucible's population demographic with Heterosexuals, the LGBT spectrum, and the speculation of the many straight girls who are heartbroken.There's a reason why the brothel was founded and it's similar to the reason why the spiritual leader of the cult made the "Mythical Male" prophecy. But that's to be explained in future chapters.
>>4177229>>4177231glad you enjoyed out comments.yeah, you did good with Charlotte and Carter both. looking forward to seeing you write more of both of them.also, ill most certainly have the next part of the Pepperbox Gangs story done before i meet my parents for my birthday, so, glad for that. not the most exciting chapter though, ill admit, but hey, not all need to be.
>>4177229>>4177231I am definitely looking forward to the next chapters.I really want to know what happens next to Carter. And i am not just saying that as someone who likes to make fictional characters suffer>>4177251Looking forward to it. I am also excited to see what Hijinks they will get up this time. I really like their story and how messy things can get
>>4177251As for Chapter 4 of "Carter and the Town of Cradleton", I should be able to crank it out within a week or so if my pace keeps going steady as is. It's already go part of the framework done. I just need to fill it in with events that flow naturally. However, to make it better fit the situation that Carter will suffer through in Chapter 4 the title of the chapter has been changed to: "Naked and Afraid"
>>4177259.......................... That title.................Poor poor Carter........... what is that cruel Anon doing to youIts a good thing Lydia would not be there.. she would pass out from embarrassment of seeing a man nude
>>4177257thanks, and glad to hear.>>4177259whew, oh boy, poor bastard. he better get something good outta all this--no not like that, i know what you all were thinking!jokes aside, looking forward to it.
>>4177259>>4177251>>4177161One Question for you anons.... In which tier would you place this Relic?LUCERNA AETERNAM: A small crystal roughly the size of a human's palm. It gives of a cool white light and smells like Ozone. Just holding it sends small jolts of electricity into the holders body. This relic needs to be attuned to a user with Generator powers and then fuses with their sternum/closest available equivalent. Once attuned the user may put part of their Maximum BIO permanently into the relic to receive a buff to their speed, initiative and Strength in proportion to the BIO spend. This BIO can be redrawn at any time at the cost of 1 Act to increase the Maximum BIO Pool of the User by the withdrawn amount. If the user dies while attuned to this relic all stored BIO is lost and can not be recovered even should the user be revived and become attuned to this Relic again. If the Relic is instead removed while the user is still alive the BIO is not lost and a new user can draw out the BIO stored within. Just as you once fed to grow stronger so do you now feed this BIOReactor to grow even more.I hap personally placed it in tier 3 but after reading it again i have become unsure of my assesment.....
>>4177277neat relic.i think it fits with Tier-3, albeit probably a bit lower end. but it kinda works like the Sui sets in some ways, so yeah, Tier-3.
>>4177259Oh. Oh dear....I've been saying that a lot when it comes to Carter, haven't I? Something about the poor guy just brings it up. Stay safe, Carter.>>4177277I'd say Tier Three. It's got a lower cap on its benefits than the Sui armors, since it's sacrificing a resource that doesn't regenerate, but it's in many ways a safer resource to sacrifice since Bio is less vital than Health.
>>4177283thanks i was kinda doubting myself while doing some cleanup and housekeeping to keep the Act 2 version of their character sheets up to date.>>4177283>>4177259>>4177161>>4176912And i stumbled upon this relic which i also forgot to grade... like completely forgot to grade>NIGHTMARE CRADLE: A last desperate attempt of a daughter to save herself from what she believed to be oblivion. Intended as a measure to keep herself safe from being consumed by the fleshscape in case of her death at the hands of an Amalgam. This might have worked if it hadn't been the Crystal Overlord that finally ended her. Corrupted from its original purpose to keep her safe until someone would be willing to give her shelter has this marbled stone turned into a prison of unending torment and pain. The Daughter inside had been dominated and enslaved to the Crystal Overlords will. Attuning to this relic while it is in this state will grant the user immunity against Phantasmal Conduit Fields until the spirit inside has been overcome by them.Like even after reading up on the Relic tiers i am completely unsure where to place this
>>4177300it also is not too bad since Lydia broke through a Thousand % MAX BIO during the last Chapter.
>>4177301Is that a corrupted version of Hope's Last Cradle? WHAT HAVE THEY DONE!?
>>4177301Ooh, that's a nasty little trinket. Maybe Tier Four, actually? Druid's Death-Knell, the anti-construct grenade that Yurei used against us, was Tier Four. I think that establishes a pattern of consumable Relics that temporarily hard-counter entire classes being Tier Four.
>>4177301whew, thats horrible.possibly Tier-4 actually, due to making half of Phantasmal Abilities just worthless. though its still only specific abilities, so still iffy.
>>4177314It was supposed to be a safety net made by a daughter that feared she would be lost if she should ever become consumed by an Amalgam........ She hoped the Amalgam would ignore it and send out an SOS Signal to ask for help from nearby daughters.It didnt work out as intended........>Hope's Last Cradle?Is this a reference i am not getting?It is more a Soulgem intended as a temporary Storage vessel until she could be rescued though the Overlord nipped that in the bud pretty quickly>>4177317Did you overlook it in the actual Story because the Crew found it after the fight and Rara nearly passed out because of it.....>>4177317>>4177320I think i will write it down as Tier 4 since the Anti-Hive Mistress Grenades were also Tier 4 and those were also very specific
>>4177331Hope's last cradle was a relic that I made for Bhop to use as a in-quest key story relic as a fall back plan-B option for new game plus should this quest fall to pieces somehow via bad end or if Bhop decides to make a Body Horror Quest Sequel. It works by taking one of our family members (most likely Amara) and putting them into Crucible-proof stasis while bhop cleans up and wraps up the statlines and notes and sets up the stage for the next crucible cycle.
>>4177331>Did you overlook it in the actual Story because the Crew found it after the fight and Rara nearly passed out because of it.....I must have, my apologies. Yeah, re-reading it, I somehow got it confused with the crystal that got fed to the Avenger, thought that's what they were so upset about.
>>4177342ah okayI had completely forgotten about it.....>>4177344Selene was very vocal about not feeding Avenger close to anything valuable.And Rara vomited once she touched her Jack to the Nighmare Cradle. Its on page 30 the lower half
>>4177352>>4177344>>4177342>>4176912right well, its finished. glad I got myself to do it for sure.Finding Ones Trajectory;>On their Journey to find a new goal, the Pepperbox Gang runs into another group in the middle of an execution, and come to have a less physical type of battle...https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FyiteeqpvD8G_XcGQsLJHJcAuyCzlF-mmvd53fADxC0/edit?usp=sharingoverall i like it, though certainly is a more... serious type of thing. which im unsure if it doesn't just come off as a bit silly because of it, but we'll see.hope you all at least do enjoy it, even if its not the best one i've put out.
>>4177380>>4176912oh, and i already added it to the Fanworks Doc i linked you to earlier BHOP, so no worries on your end.
>>4177380So Inquisitors....... with a hard on for killing Neuromancers...... Damn i hate people that will kill other people just because of some arbitrary reasons. While they had good cause this time i would not be surprised if they hadn't kille dozens of Neuromancers who were just going about their days trying to surviveAnd regarding their reasoning. Its fucked. Like seriously. If you want to work towards a brighter future you have to be strong in the darkness and that means not bending your knee to schmucks like the society of Humanism......When Mina gets to America she and her friends will have fun with those schmucks from the SocietyAnd they will seriously try and get the old constitution?Well they are certainly ambitious. And i would not be at all surprised if that thing got turned into like a Tier 5 Relic....The entire thing was enjoyable i have to sayCertainly looking forward to how they will go about this plan to remake Merica or a new America
Finally caught up after more than a week of archive binging. You're doing a prime exemplary sort of quest, BHOP. The whole thing just feels like a novel, always got my attention with every twist and turn and the occasional bamboozle. Characters are very fleshed out, if you pardon my pun. I can immediately see them in my mind's eye as soon as they were described. Keep it up!
>>4177264>>4177273>>4177300He'll be fine. The question you should be asking instead is "How long can he hold out?">>4177462And hello to you sir! Welcome to the Crucible. I hope you also took the chance to enjoy some of our fan-submitted content.
>>4177439yeah, the Inquisitions got some morals twisted up.thanks for reading, and glad you enjoyed it.>>4177462welcome to the Quest.
>>4177462Hey. Welcome to the QuestGrab a drink and some medicine for your blood pressure. They are right over there next to the fan submitted content>>4177473No i am asking the question of how twisted of an individual you can be to condemn him to such torture. Just curious if I am dealing with another GM that likes to makes characters suffer.>>4177481I will also now head to bed Good night anons>>4176912Good Night OPIf you find time to read the latest chapter i would appreciate feedback and i have added the link to the Doc i made available for you to use
>>4177487night.>>4177473im not sure those two statements go well together.
>>4177487For your question of whether or not I'm a GM. I have never GM'd. At all. And I suck at rping on the tabletop in person. I'm just very good with my prose whenever I write. As such, I can take on a different persona with my prose, such as the prose when I write this post.*ahem*Let me be clear, I am very aware of what I'm putting Carter through. I myself have an easy time putting myself in his shoes. Enough to get a good grasp of where his limits lie and what pushes him over the edge.Keep in mind that Carter lives in the world of the Crucible, where far crueler fates can happen to daughters anytime anywhere. If I were to be that cruel, then I would not have asked for permission from the other anon to write an entertaining story about the boy's accidental adventure in a town where he does not belong, and would have instead written a snuff story out of the blue without the permission of the boy's father that would be sure leave you and he enraged at my audacity.I can be sadistic when provoked, and I have entertained such fantasies of sadism whenever I'm in a vengeful mood. But this tale exists because I wrote the premise in a playful mood as I wished to see the boy go through the highs and lows of life and come out wiser for it. When I step back and look at the broad strokes, I find it less a tale of angst and tragedy and more a coming-of-age story where I try to question what masculinity means in a world such as the Crucible. Tales of sadism and angst will take a man and torture them to a point where it leaves them a hollow husk in the end, For the climatic moment where the fire of hope inside a man's eyes are snuffed out like a candle in the dark. This is no such tale.Begone. Do not question me further about the matter of cruelty. Leave me to my writing and let me take you and Carter through the ride that has yet to come in this tale. In this small cycle of the Hero's Journey for Carter in this tale, he has yet to reach the belly of the beast.
>>4177462(I certainly intend to keep at it, and thank you so much for posting! I'd also heartily recommend the works of several of the other posters here, as their works are fantastic.)
>>4177380I think in a different context I'd agree with the Inquisition's stance. Mind control powers are pretty terrifying, and just having them makes you suspect. Not to the degree of automatically killing anyone with telepathy, but enough that I'd be very uncomfortable with them.That said, this isn't that context. It's the Crucible, everything is horrible. Shu's preferred method of killing things is to burrow parasitic insects into their flesh and have them erupt in explosions of hazardous chemicals. And we're one of the good guys. I don't think there are any non-terrifying powers. In this context, I think that what you do and who you do them to and why you do them is far more important than the potential for temptation. Because we've all got the potential to do monstrous things if we were tempted.Though that scroll does make things simpler. I guess it's a Skintalking-based Relic, has some of the psychometry that Amara is capable of. I wonder how much context it gives. Would it make the Eagles consider Gina an acceptable target, since her list of recent actions would have things like "exploded peoples' brains"? Given the Inquisition's zealotry, I'd be very suspicious of anything that could potentially be twisted to justify their actions. On the other hand, these girls actually seem fairly decent once you get past the murder. Friendly enough, and willing to debate their position in good faith. Maybe they've just had some really bad experiences. >“Let's go steal the Bill of Rights, shall we girls?”This better turn into a Nick Cage movie. A cannibalistic lesbian monster Nick Cage movie.
>>4177902>Maybe they've just had some really bad experiences.well, as implied Gin at least had some rough patches in the past. I'll leave any idea about the rest up to the imagination for now.>Though that scroll does make things simpler.its very resistant to meddling, however while it draws the events from the Crucible, the context if gives for them it draws from the person being tested is naturally much more suspect, just by the very nature of what that means.>Would it make the Eagles consider Gina an acceptable targetGin would just because she is a Neuromancer, but in the context of her power itself, actually we never use Neuromancy past the stun at the worst, so honestly theres really no justification there they could make Scroll wise. actually, thats kinda ironic. supposedly the Halo makes it alot safer for Gina to try and use the more dubious side of Neuromancy, but the implied still existing risk still makes her(through us) use it just about the least of any Neuromancer out there(that even has the option). a kinda iffy instance where the necessity of seeing things as a game brings up the question of if Gina herself would or should actually be so against it in actuality i suppose. >This better turn into a Nick Cage movie. A cannibalistic lesbian monster Nick Cage movie.hah, while indeed there was such a reference a bit, despite me usually avoiding those, not sure i planned to go exactly that route. mostly because i just cant see a hidden fetch quest maze work like in that movie, at least not in the context of the Crucible that already has that going on in some ways. we'll see though. certainly wont be just so simple as finding what they're looking for right where they want it to be.
>>4177678I think you may have overreacted to what i have written. I do not want such a cruel story for Carter. And i have already written a worse fate.... Just look at the NIGHTMARE CRADLE man.So if i offended I am sorry. I know tones like Irony and how serious one is, carry very very badly on the Internetor i am getting trolled who knows.... except for you of course
>>4177380I kind of wonder why exactly the Inquisition has problems with Skintalkers as well. I see that class of part of the versatiles with Humoral Paladin and Flesh Artisan, and it's not exactly known for affecting the mind like Neuro and Conduit unless one has some specific spell words for it. Maybe due to a potential for body hijacking?It did make me think that they would have a problem with Hera due to her past before joining the Pepperbox Gang. And it makes me wonder if they have a policy for people that used to be bad but changed, or if they don't care for that distinction. Probably the later.
>>4178580actually thats a hold over of an old idea i had for them i forgot to take out. been fixed.originally the idea was the fact skintalkers tend to be more 'in tune'with the crucible itself, so they were gonna see them as basically 'natural traitors' and stuff, but that idea didn't pan out as much.and lets just say, its a good thing they didnt know Heras past.
>>4171500SHU - LEVEL UP >>TRYPOPHILIC HIVE (Lvl 15): As your swarm evolves so, too, do the fruits of the choice you made when you were just beginning to carve your legend into this forsaken world. You now possess the passive ability to detect the truth behind what other Daughters say around you, and at no cost you may hone your focus on a target you're engaged with, allowing you to 'view' their motivations and innate self-perceptions, granting you greater insight into your allies (and foes) than ever before. Finally, at a cost of 200% BIO and 1 ACT, you may force a conversation check with a target that would be otherwise unwilling or unable to communicate with you in such an open manner, though this action may only be performed once per target, per Vein. No target is immune to this ability, though you fear that such an invasive method is only a prelude to something even more egregious...(BIO +60%) >>SPIRITUS EX TESTA (Lvl 6): Now, when crafting a Spiritus Shell, you may choose two levels of resistance to grant your construct as opposed to one, or you may forgo granting the shell any resistances using this method in order to render the shell completely immune to a single damage type. (BIO +40%, BIO REGEN +10%)>>PSYCHICA SPIRALIS (Lvl 2): The protective field you summon now extends its effects to all allies within its area of effect. Additionally, when your or an ally's Neurotic Halo counter triggers when in the AoE of the SPIRALIS, the resultant counter attack's damage in increased by 30%. (HEALTH+ 60%, BIO+40%, HEALTH REGEN +20%) >>PSYCHICA SPIRALIS (Lvl 3): To stand one's ground with Defiance is something your family's become notorious for, and perhaps it's for that very reason that this power is evolving the way it is. When in the SPIRALIS' AoE, neither you nor anyone eligible for the field's boons may be removed from its zone by hostile means. If you or an ally would be dragged, blown, teleported, etc. out of the SPIRALIS' doman against your will, the forced movement instead ends at the field's bounds. (HEALTH+ 60%, BIO+40%, HEALTH REGEN +20%) >>MURDEROUS FLOCK (Magpie’s Core - Hive Mistress, Lvl 1) - (HEALTH +300%, BIO +400%) >>REPETITION'S RESILIENCE (Flesh Artisan Augmentation) - (HEALTH +180%, HEALTH REGEN +30%) >>MURPHY’S MANDATE (Flesh Artisan, Lvl 1) - (HEALTH +120%, HEALTH REGEN +40%) (Continued)