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Saiyans. Were one to travel the stars, they would undoubtedly hear tales of the mighty warrior race. Some speak of them with awe and wonder, marveling at their power and aspiring to become like the mighty warriors. Others speak in hushed tones, of the fear and despair you’d feel facing them in battle. But one thing all agree on, is that standing against the might of the warrior race spells certain doom. Many have tried, several going as far as to invade the Saiyan’s homeworld of New Salda. Yet every invasion has failed, defeated by the Saiyans and their most powerful warriors: the golden Super Saiyans.

Welcome to Saiyan Conqueror Quest. Currently we are in Age 748, decades before the ‘canon’ events of Dragonball began. Yet this universe is vastly different, as you the players have control of Karn. Once an ordinary Saiyan with a powerlevel of only 2,830, the “Dragon of New Salda” has grown into the symbol of not only the might of the Saiyan race, but of the PTO itself known across the universe. Now, as a general of the PTO with a powerlevel of 18,915,500 before transforming, Karn has become the undisputed second in command, only Lord Freeza himself ranks higher.

Character Sheet, powerlevels, and other pastebins can be found at:
https://pastebin.com/u/GrandDragonQM
Quest archive link:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?searchall=Saiyan+Conqueror+Quest

Quest rules:
>20 minute voting windows, unless otherwise stated
>3 vote minimum to proceed
>Dice rolls are best of three, first 3 correctly rolled die count
>Crits are nat 100, unless otherwise noted(a 99 or matching rolls may net you an extra bonus, depending)
>Crit fails count -only- if no roll passes DC, but two different 1s will OVERRIDE a 100, resulting in a catastrophic crit failure
>Write-ins are both allowed and encouraged
>That said, they can and will be shut down if too out of character/metagamey. With over 100 episodes behind us, Karn now has a well-established character
>I can change any of the above rules at any time for any or no reason
>Have fun

Our quest will usually start every Saturday at 12pm EST, and run throughout the weekend. Also, for updates or schedule changes can find me @GrandDragonQM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=8_JnUCQjXiY

Current Arc: The Empire Rising
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>>4088981
Previously on Saiyan Conqueror Quest:

After killing a would-be Hive assassin Karn informed Freeza, who’s now in the process of organizing another war. Karn, meanwhile, took Joseph and his crew to see Koruza, and to learn what his Stand Dark Rider can do. Afterwards he went to check up on King Vegeta IV, Emilia attacking his Instant Transmission-ing form. She them expressed concern for how the Primal Saiyan form would affect him. Unsure himself, Karn then went to Future Chaya and asked her directly. After finding out that her timeline was ruined by another Towa’s influence, and explaining the Primal form more, the Supreme Kai of Time appeared. Time up, Karn said goodbye to Towa, Future Chaya, Maza, Milha, and Koruza as they all returned to their own timeline. Afterwards Karn led his remaining family to the Jiralhanae village for lunch, and as we rejoin Karn you just got some worrying news from Arctus.

“Your daughter’s got a new challenger.” Arctus tells you with a whisper, deadly-serious. “You heard of that new Arbiter, right?”
“You don’t mean-?” you ask, Arctus interrupting.
“Not him. But one of his subordinates.” Arctus tells you. “And from what I’ve found out, he was one of the survivors from the Siege. He’s out for blood.”
“Dammit.” you mutter. “It’s always something.”

BEEP

“Oh, dammit, I gotta go!” Chaya shouts suddenly, dashing to you and giving you a hug before dashing out. “I got another fight today!”
“Wait, Chaya!” you shout, but she’s already out the door. Dammit. This could be trouble. “Do-!”
“Karn, wait.” Arctus says, you turning to him. “It’s not today. Her fight today is a rematch, a mage knight trying to get revenge or something.”
“Revenge, huh?” you ask, pondering to yourself. You haven’t been to one of her fights in awhile, perhaps you should go today? “Ok, but back on topic. Tell me everything you know about this guy.”

And so Arctus does, quickly giving you all the info he’s gathered. A member of the former Arbiter’s elite team, he had been there at your battle with the Arbiter on New Salda. After his death, broadcast to the universe via the Vox network, supposedly this “Cero ‘Trasum” began training to get his revenge on you. It’s rumored that he even has at least one of the Prophet’s blessing; their ancient magic making him far stronger than he’d be otherwise. But the only reason he joined Dreadzone was for his chance to fight your daughter, to hurt you by killing her in front of the whole universe.

“Coward!” you spit with venom. Had he been after your daughter for her title, or for something she’d done that’d be one thing. But gunning for her just to get at you, because he knows he can’t stop you: now that’s just despicable. “When I get my hands on him...”
cont
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>>4088985
“You’ll what, kill him?” Arctus asks, taking another swig. “And then what? You go down there and take him out, you’ll ruin your daughter.”
“Huh?” you ask, confused. “Ruin her? How?”
“She’s spent years building her reputation as Dreadzone’s Champion.” he explains. “But if you march down there and take her competition out from under her, she’ll no longer be regarded as a legitimate champion. She’ll be seen as a puppet of yours, as many thought young Vegeta was for years.”
“Wait, people thought King Vegeta was a puppet?” you ask him. You’d never considered that yourself, as King Vegeta had earned the throne by slaying his father in one-on-one combat. “Why?”

“Think about it Karn.” Arctus says, walking you through it. “You’d long ago surpassed the late King Vegeta, and right as your people are about to move to a new world, he dies. And instead of you, the then-strongest Saiyan inheriting the throne, the late Vegeta’s six-year-old son becomes king. This is the same way Freeza rules many of the different systems that make up part of the empire. He kills off their ruler or rulers, installs his own puppet leaders, then they do what he wants without him being bothered by the day-to-day business of ruling hundreds of worlds.”
“I see.” you say, seriously considering it. You hadn’t known this, but it only makes sense. He can’t be everywhere after all, so having his surrogates installed in leadership positions across the universe doubtlessly makes ruling the PTO easier. But there’s still a question nagging at you. “So wait, how does all this relate back to Chaya?”

“Many people see her in the same way Vegeta was seen.” he replies. “They know you’re far stronger than her, and could take her title any time you wish. If you go around taking out challengers right out from under her, the people will lose their respect for her. She’ll quite effectively cease to be the people’s champion, and will instead be just another PTO puppet. She needs to win this battle on her own, to maintain her position as the Champion. There’s just no way you can step in, without weakening her position. But that said, what will you do?”

Well?
>Go watch her fight, see how she handles challengers in her arena. Maybe watching her fight will build your confidence in her abilities
>Travel to Dreadzone, and speak with Vox about you fighting this Cero ‘Trasum coward instead of Chaya
>Go to Dreadzone and speak with Chaya’s coach and former Exterminator, Shellshock. See what he thinks her chances are against this splitjaw coward
>Telepathically reach out to Meloka, see what she thinks you should do about this
>Let it go for now, when Chaya comes back you’ll talk with her about fighting this coward
>Other(write in)
40 minute vote
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>>4088988
>Go to Dreadzone and speak with Chaya’s coach and former Exterminator, Shellshock. See what he thinks her chances are against this splitjaw coward
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>>4088988
>Go to Dreadzone and speak with Chaya’s coach and former Exterminator, Shellshock. See what he thinks her chances are against this splitjaw coward
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>>4089028
>>4089059
Already left vote open 40 minutes, not waiting any longer. So, Go to Dreadzone and speak with Shellshock wins it. Writing.
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>>4089065
Just woke, as I'm sure a few anons are also doing right now.
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>>4088988
“I need to speak with someone about this.” you say, Arctus looking worriedly-curious towards you. You shake your head, waving his concern off. “I’m not doing anything rash, I just need to consult someone.”
“If you need me, I’ll be here!” he says, resuming his drunken facade as the others continue eating and drinking. You however waste no time, putting your fingers to your forehead and using your Instant Transmission. One moment you’re in the Jiralhanae mess hall, and the next you’re standing beside the owner of the ki signal you’d locked onto.
“Afternoon, Karn.” Raven says, the planet’s Guardian meditating. You see her floating a few feet in the air, hovering over her predecessor’s favorite flat stone as the waves gently crash onto the sandy beach. “Are you here to perhaps resume your lessons?”

“No, well, not yet.” you say, quickly explaining to her what you’d learned. “So I need to head on over to the Battledome, can you help me out?”
“Of course.” she says as, without moving, a portal opens up by her right shoulder. “Also, I feel you should know: Aku hasn’t yet returned.”
“Wait, returned?” you ask, confused. “Where’d he go? He was battling his sister down below, did something happen?
“As they were fighting, she unleashed a devastating power I’d never felt before.” she explains to you. “And after she did, Aku grabbed her and drug her down into the portal. His daughters all followed shortly after, yet none have resurfaced.”
“I see.” you reply, a little worried. Aku was the most serious you’d ever seen him, and now this? He’s durable, but you again wonder if you made the right call. “Let me know if anything comes back through, okay?”
“Of course.” she says, you nodding and walking through the portal. It closes behind you, Raven reaching out telepathically to you. “Just let me know when you wish to return.”

“Thank you.” you reply, then focus on your surroundings. You find yourself on a narrow metal bridge, no railings on either side. Looking around, you see that the path leads to a larger platform with several branching pathways. And with no idea where to go, you simply begin walking forward. Crossing the narrow bridge, you find yourself on a platform maybe a hundred feet across, with three different paths to choose from. The left-most path leads to another platform higher up, but you can’t see much more from here, The center path is walled off, a pair of men in black coats and helmets seeming to argue about something outside the massive double doors leading inside a building. The right path leads out and around to another building, the faint sounds of combat coming from it.

But where do you go?
>Left
>Center
>Right
>Telepathically ask Chaya, she’ll be able to lead you
>Fly around the facility, see what you find
>Other(write in)
30 minute vote
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>>4089154
>Center
These guys can probably give us directions
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>>4089154
>Center
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>>4089154
>>Center
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>>4089162
>>4089175
>>4089182
Center wins it, roll me a 2d100
First DC 10
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Rolled 78, 26 = 104 (2d100)

>>4089221
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Rolled 79, 65 = 144 (2d100)

>>4089221
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Rolled 13, 50 = 63 (2d100)

>>4089221
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Rolled 48, 62 = 110 (2d100)

>>4089221
gat dang flabberdoos kickin my mailbox
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>>4089246
>>4089250
>>4089262
79/109, 65/100. Impressive, writing.
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>>4089221
>First DC 10
So they're fans I take it?
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>>4089154
Instead of wandering around aimlessly, you decide that your best bet will be to ask someone for directions. Fortunately for you, two someone’s just happen to be standing before you. So you stride forward confidently, overhearing what the two are talking about as you close the distance.

“-an’t beat that new form.” the right soldier says to his compatriot. “Karn may be strong, but this new form will be just to much for him.”
“There’s no way in hell, he’s definitely still stronger.” the left soldier says, shaking his head. “New form or not, Karn is still the stronger.”
“I’m stronger than who?” you ask, stepping forward. Both soldiers jump as you speak, turning and pointing rifles similar to your daughter’s friend Tanya at you.
“Wait, you’re-?!” the soldier to your right says, seemingly stunned at seeing you. But the one on your left is far less hesitant, immemorial snapping into a respectful salute. The other one follows suit a moment later, you waving them off.
“At ease.” you say relaxed, but now you’re curious. “So, who were you comparing me to?”
“King Vegeta, of course.” the left soldier says, the right now seeming to be visibly uncomfortable at having you hear he doubts you. “He says that your king’s new form makes him stronger than you, but I told him he’s full of it. There’s no way he’s stronger than you, you’re the strongest Saiyan out there. Right?”

“Well...” you start, unsure what to say. While it’s true that King Vegeta’s new Primal Saiyan form is stronger than even your Ascended Berserker form, making him the strongest Saiyan in this timeline, you aren’t sure if you should divulge such information. But on the other hand they seem to be fans of yours, what harm could there be in letting them know?

What do you say?
>Admit King Vegeta’s Primal form is stronger than you, and you’re proud of him
>Try and telepathically let them know the truth, you don’t want to say it aloud
>Begrudgingly admit he’s stronger than you, at least for now
>Lie and say you’re still stronger
>Don’t confirm nor deny, and just ask for the directions you need
>Other(write in)
30 minute vote
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>>4089407
>>Admit King Vegeta’s Primal form is stronger than you, and you’re proud of him
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>>4089407
>>Admit King Vegeta’s Primal form is stronger than you, and you’re proud of him
We’ll always be proud of our kids
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>>4089407
>It doesn't much matter which of us is stronger at this point. I play for keeps and I can't imagine I'd ever have to kill my king.
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>>4089407
>>Admit King Vegeta’s Primal form is stronger than you, and you’re proud of him
>Our student did us proud
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>>4089407
>>Admit King Vegeta’s Primal form is stronger than you, and you’re proud of him
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>>4088985
Oh, Erza coming for a rematch then?
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>>4089435
I just got an idea, lets get Chilli to join Fairy Tale!
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>>4089426
This
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>>4089426
aw fuck it changing to this I am quite proud of him
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>>4089407
>Shrug and say that you'd need to spar with him to really find out. But you're still damn proud of how strong he's gotten.
Powerlevels aren't everything. Karn knows this.
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>>4089437
>I just got an idea, lets get Chilli to join Fairy Tale!
Our boy is better than that. He can join the Band of Falcon if he wants.
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>>4089474
He could learn way more magic with the goofballs, also keep his inevitable edge from growing.
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>>4089414
>>4089416
>>4089417
>>4089426
>>4089428
>>4089446
>>4089463
>>4089472
Admit King Vegeta’s Primal form is stronger than you, and you’re proud of him wins it. Writing
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>>4089472
>Powerlevels aren't everything. Karn knows this.
Yeah you'd think that'd be common knowledge by now, but unfortunately the general population is stuck with scouters being their only method of gauging someone's strength.
God forbid Ki sensitivity be widespread or people realize we specialize in punching above our weight class.
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>>4089407
“Well, I’d like to say I’m still stronger than him.” you say, both seeming surprised. “But he’s right. Vegeta’s new Primal form is far stronger than anything I’ve got.”
“Called it!” the one shouts, the other grumbling and fumbling at his pocket. You watch as the soldier to your left comes up with a handful of credits, handing them over to his friend. But then he turns to you, seemingly confused.
“Wait, why are you here?” he asks you suddenly. “Oh, are you here to watch your daughter‘s match? It should be starting soon-“
“Not quite.” you say. “Actually, I’m here to talk with Chaya’s coach, Shellshock. We have some important business to discuss. But I’m not quite sure where to go from here...”

“Well, you’re almost there.” the one on the left says, pointing out the leftmost path. “Just go up here; then straight through the door. You can’t miss him.”
“Thanks.” you reply, both soldiers saluting you as you take your leave. As you walk up the left path, you hear them now arguing about who’s stronger between King Vegeta, and Golden Freeza. You just shake your head, muttering “Everyone wants to know who’s the strongest.” as you walk up the path. It takes you up to an almost-identical platform as the one below, the now-left path leading off to another closed building, while the large double doors in the center are once again closed. But instead of a pair of soldiers like below, more than a dozen Dreadzone heavy bots are defending the platform and notice you immediately.

“Identify yourself!” the largest energy axe-wielding machine calls out. “This area is off-limits.”
“I am Karn.” you call back, not slowing as you keep walking towards the double doors. “I’m here to speak with my daughter’s coach, Shellshock.”
“Facial scan complete, match found.” it says in it’s robotic voice. “Greetings, General Karn. You may go in.”
“Damn right I can.” you mutter, approaching the doors and preparing to push them open. But before you can they slide open on their own, revealing Chaya’s Champion suite. Looking around, overwhelmed by the sheer amount of things piled up, you suddenly hear a familiar voice from further in.

“Alright kid, you ready?” Shellshock calls out, a few moments laughing as you begin walking towards him. “Now now, don’t be overconfident. You beat her once, but she’s no doubt got some new tricks up her sleeves.”

You walk up to what’s obviously a control center, the massive mechanical man observing more than two dozen screens simultaneously. You see your daughter, floating and holding her sword on one while an armored, redhead humanoid cuts down the last of several Dreadzone soldiers with a pair of metal swords. But you also see yourself on one screen, the massive man spinning his chair to face you.
cont
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>>4089601
“Alright kid, it’s go time.” he says, gesturing for you to be quiet for a moment. You barely hear the announcers, the audience’s cheers a dull roar. “I’ll be watching from here, if I see anything I’ll let you know.”

With that he presses a button on his headset, addressing you directly.

“Greetings, General.” he says, rising to his feet and saluting. You wave his salute off, gesturing for him to sit back down. “What brings you here? Come to watch your daughter’s fight?”
“Not exactly.” you reply, watching as she throws the sword point-first down to the arena floor. She then floats down and stands on it’s hilt, the audience clearly loving the new intro. But as you look around, you see an image of a Sangheili posted on a nearby board, including a breakdown of it’s gear, weapons, and anatomy. “It’s about him.”
“Cero ‘Trasum.” Shellshock says, you glancing up to him. “What do you want to know?”

Well?
>Do you think Chaya can take him? Can she can beat him?
>How dangerous is this guy really?
>Do you think I should take him out?
>Other(write in)
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>>4089604
>Do you think Chaya can take him? Can she can beat him?
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>>4089604
>How dangerous is this guy really?
>He's clearly a cut above most Sangheili. What's his story?
Every Sangheili has a reason to come gunning for us and our family, but that doesn't mean they actually can. Obviously this guy begs to differ, and I can't help but feel somewhat suspicious of this level of confidence.
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>>4089604
this>>4089611
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>>4089610
>>4089611
>>4089612
How dangerous is this guy really wins it. Roll me a d100
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Rolled 31 (1d100)

>>4089623
Okay?
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Rolled 85 (1d100)

>>4089623
rip
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Rolled 85 (1d100)

>>4089623
fucking captcha
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>>4089635
>>4089631
WELP, that's gonna be a thing.
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>>4089639
We now know his childhood nickname and his most embarrassing secret.
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>>4089630
>>4089631
>>4089635
Double 85/100s. He’s got very good intel for you, writing.
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>>4089646
Good ol Shellshock, he's done our girl right with his skills.
>>4089642
He wet the bed and had a Grunt take the blame for it when caught. Made up an excuse for how the hell a Grunt female got in his bed.
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>>4089654
>"i was really really REALLY drunk and it sounded like a good idea at the time"
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>>4089604
“I’m worried.” you tell him, turning to watch Chaya fighting the armored swordswoman. She’s still a clearly inexperienced swordsman, relying on raw power and swinging her greatsword around like a giant club. “I’ve fought those bastards before, and was nearly killed dozens of times by their swords. I don’t want her to die by someone out to get at me.”
“I understand.” he says, turning his mic back on as he sees something on-screen. “Back up, now!”

Chaya complies, backflipping away as her opponent conjures a spear and thrusts it at her. You see sparks dancing along the spear’s blade, it doubtlessly a magical weapon. A moment later her opponent’s armor and weapons all change her rather plain-looking breastplate replaced with a black armor, decorated with silver crosses and even wings. Her weapons are replaced by a long sword, the swordswoman dashing forward after your daughter.

“Remember, she hits harder while like this.” Shellshock tells her. “Keep your guard up.”
“I know, I know!” you see her mouth on one screen, Shellshock again turning his mic off.
“She’s cocky, but not without good reason.” he says to you, clearly meaning Chaya. “She hasn’t lost in her arena, not once since she became Champion. No previous Champion has had a streak like hers in recent history. You’ve raised a powerful warrior.”
“Thanks.” you reply, Chaya using the width of her sword to block her opponent’s ferocious attacks. As a swordsman yourself, you can clearly tell she’s a skilled fighter. “But what about this Cero asshole? I’ve heard he’s gunning for my daughter to get back at me, his revenge against me killing the Arbiter. But how dangerous is this guy, really?”
“It’s hard to say.” Shellshock replies with a heavy sigh. “He’s made sure not to reveal his true power the entire time he’s been here, not even the advanced scouters Vox has set up have been able to get a read on him. But as you well know, the numbers aren’t everything. He’s a skilled fighter, even taking down the Exterminator Major Tanya without taking a single hit.”

“Wait, what?” you ask, confused as this is the first you’ve heard of it. “When did this happen?”
“A week or so ago.” Shellshock replies, your hand going to your chin thoughtfully. “He disarmed her and held her with his sword to her throat, forcing her to surrender. But he didn’t kill her. In fact, he hasn’t killed any of his opponents since joining Dreadzone.”
cont
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>>4089777
This fucker thinks he can make an example of our little girl, by making her submit in front of him. That's even more insulting than trying to kill our kids, this wretch wants to kill her drive!
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>>4089782
>he thinks he can make Chaya submit
DOES HE KNOW WHO SHE FUCKING IDOLIZES?
I'll give you a hint, it's the enduring symbol of Saiyan pride galaxy-wide.
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>>4089777
“Say what?” you ask, surprised. “How?”
“He’s quite skilled.” comes Shellshock’s worried reply. “He cuts down any non-living foes with ruthless efficiency, but always spares a living opponent who’ll give up. He hasn’t even maimed most of them. He cuts their weapons and armor apart, but purposefully avoids dealing any lethal strikes. Other than his sword, he uses the usual Covenant ranged weaponry; Plasma Rifles, Pistols, and Grenades, and a Beam Rifle. Although it’s clear he’s far less skilled with them than his blade, and has to rely on their shielding technology.”

“I see.” you reply. That lines up with what you know about Sangheili warriors, but this one has to have something else going on. “Is there anything else?”
“No, but, I have been hearing a certain rumor.” he says, you perking up at this. “Some of the fighters here have been saying they see something while he’s fighting. Almost like a phantom or a spirit, but no one has gotten a clear look at it yet.”
“That’s not good.” you think to yourself. If that’s what you think it is... This may need further investigation.

But what now?
>Watch your daughter’s fight there with Shellshock, see what he knows about the fighters who claim to have seen this spectre
>Go to the arena, watch your daughter’s fight in person
>Find this Cero ‘Trasum, and see him for yourself
>Have Shellshock play one of Cero’s fights on a screen, see what you can see of this splitjaw
>Visit with Gleeman Vox, you need to speak with him directly about this
>Other(write in)
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>>4089788
>>Have Shellshock play one of Cero’s fights on a screen, see what you can see of this splitjaw
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>>4089788
>>Find this Cero ‘Trasum, and see him for yourself
I’ve heard you’ve been talking shit asshole.
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>>4089788
>>Have Shellshock play one of Cero’s fights on a screen, see what you can see of this splitjaw
This bastard might have a god damn Stand?!
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>>4089788
>>Have Shellshock play one of Cero’s fights on a screen, see what you can see of this splitjaw after chaya's fight
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>>4089788
>You have an idea about what it could be. Use Telepathy to reach out to Mr. Joestar, and ask him everything he knows about the process of gaining a stand. You've seen Future Chaya use Dragonforce, so there has to be something to it.

I hope I'm remembering the details about future chaya correctly. I'm high as a motherfucker on sleeping medication right now, and am about to pass out. Forgive me if I posted something retarded as fuck.
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>>4089788
>>Have Shellshock play one of Cero’s fights on a screen, see what you can see of this splitjaw
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>>4089788
>Find this Cero ‘Trasum, and see him for yourself
Naw. It can't be that.
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>>4089796
No point, that prick may hide his Stand....wait...THAT'S IT!
>>4089788
Changing my vote here>>4089797
>>4089796 to this
BUT,
>I want us to just walk up to him with our base form Stand out, and have it start to strike at him!
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>>4089788

>>4089805
this too>>4089799
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>>4089799
Future Chaya told us her timeline's Karn gave her Dragonforce right before he suicide bombed the covenant fleet, so it's possible the same thing happened to Cero.
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>>4089799
DragonForce is transferable she told us her karn gave her DF
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>>4089798
changing my vote to this>>4089805
now obviously we won't actually attack him but if he reacts to a fake out we will know he has a stand
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>>4089799
We know that Future Chaya was given Dragon Force by her timeline's Karn and that's the only instance of someone not having a stand and gaining it we know in character. Asking Joseph about the arrows is kind of cheating, and it might not even be a stand if some people could see it.
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>>4089805
Using our Stand in base form is just asking to get killed, you know that right?
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>>4089826
that and we don't really need to have our stand summoned to see his
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>>4089826
That's not the point dumbass, its seeing if he reacts at all, if he doesn't, he either has an idea we have one, and took a risk that we wouldn't kill him in public, or he can't see it for real and whatever he has isn't a Stand.
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>>4089830
Right here>>4089831
Not the point. It's to see if he reacts at all. We aren't in any danger, as he can't risk opening the fight in the middle of the arena.
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>>4089831
Yeah, but if he reacts and he has a stand the most likely thing he'll do is fucking attack the thing that's coming right to him. Do you seriously can't think this through?
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>>4089833
We don't really have to have Dragon Force out to gauge his reaction though, he can just provoke him with a physical attack.
If we can actually see whatever spectre he's using, that confirms our suspicions and don't put us at undue risk.
He might actually fuck us up if he manages to land a lucky shot on Dragonforce, especially in our base form.
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>>4089836
Are you, we are in the middle of the arena, he can't attack any more than our feint can, or are you so stupid as to think we are actually going to attack? He tries something on us, cameras won't get it, but they will see him attacking us when we are standing there talking to him. There is no danger too us you giant pussy, we got recon to do.
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>>4089791
>>4089796
>>4089797
>>4089798
>>4089799
>>4089801
>>4089803
>>4089814
Find this Cero ‘Trasum, and see him for yourself wins it. Once you find him, what you’ll do from there will be another vote. Roll me a d100.
DC 50
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Rolled 42 (1d100)

>>4089840
STANDO POWAH
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Rolled 72 (1d100)

>>4089840
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Rolled 86 (1d100)

>>4089837
No you fucking moron, physically attacking a combatant in the middle of the arena without being in a match is so fucking stupid I have no idea how you seriously wrote that sentence!
>If we can actually see whatever spectre he's using, that confirms our suspicions and don't put us at undue risk.
No more than us just standing there watching if he flinches at our tiny dragon flying at his face, without us getting in trouble.
>>4089840
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>>4089841
>>4089842
>>4089843
86/100. Success, writing.
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>>4089850
Damn right it is. No one stops the Dragon when he wants to walk and talk.
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regardless of how our meeting with the splitjaw ends we're going to have to make time to give chaya sword fighting lessions
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>>4089859
>we're going to have to make time to give chaya sword fighting lessions
Same with Broly and Chilli.
As well as they all know the Su-Ma style, they've mostly used the hand-to-hand style until now.
I'm also fairly certainly that Chilli is the only one who's weapon would be a good fit for it, while Broly and Chaya would be better off with Djem-So swordsmanship.
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>>4089859
Absolutely, maybe we should have a training video made by Vox since we're here. After the Splitjaw is killed though.
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>>4089805
Support
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>>4089867
Naw bro, this is primo material for the Katchin Tablets.
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>>4089866
Broly didn't grab a sword, he grabbed a fucking slab of Tower Shield. He is THE WALL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXp8Th41rBs
Not the right shield I think, but it works.
Chaya needs to learn some Djem-So though.
>>4089871
That comes later, we need to teach her now though
>Implying Vox wouldn't make sure his money making videos last long after his undeath so he can make money
Never underestimate Jew Fish, he will find a way to not Die, and he will not let his money makers go.
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>>4089788
I think I’ll meet this ‘Cero ‘Trasum’ face-to-face.” you say, Shellshock turning fully towards you. Seeing his expression you hold up a hand, shaking your head. “I’m not going to do anything to him, unless he starts it. I just want to see him for myself.”
“I believe we can arrange that.” he says, pressing a button on his chair. A moment later, two mechanical humanoids unfold themselves from under his desk, and walk over to you. “Would you both kindly escort General Karn here to ‘Cero ‘Trasum’s holding area please?”
“Yes sir.” the both say, sounding not too eager to go. The first begins walking towards the door, the other turning to you. “Follow us please, General.”

“Thanks, Shellshock.” you say, the large retired Exterminator turning back to his screens and barking orders at your daughter. You see Chaya’s opponent’s armor change into something white, swords everywhere just a moment before leaving her quarters behind. You follow the two mechanical humanoids, walking across empty platforms and halls for more than ten minutes before coming to another pair of closed double doors. These are much smaller than the ones in the area Chaya was in, the first machine walking over to a keypad and sticking it’s right arm into a slot below it. After a few seconds the light above the door changes from red to green, and suddenly a wave of deja vu washes over you.

“What the hell?” you mutter, feeling that you’ve seen and done all this before. The doors open up into a familiar-feeling room, a pair of Sangheili in red and blue armor immediately drawing their swords upon seeing you. “Shit!”
“Don’t attack!” a voice calls from further in, and despite having never heard it before, you can’t help but feel like you know this voice. “He’s not here to fight, stand down.”
“But, sir!” one calls over his shoulder, then immediately moves out of the way and speaks through gritted teeth. “Please, come in.”

So you do, walking into a room that despite you having never been here, still feels oddly familiar. The sensation is distracting, you walking forward to find yourself face-to-face with a larger Sangheili than the two by the door. He stands at least a foot taller than you, and despite not wearing his helmet or upper body armor, you can tell he’s a warrior.
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>>4089996
“General Karn.” the Sangheili says, sitting upon a chair that could only be called a throne. “We meet again, at last.”
“We met before?” you ask him, the feeling of deja vu intensifying as you look at him. It feels so familiar, it takes you a moment to notice what’s behind him. You see a skeletal hand, it holding a wooden-frames hourglass with the sand flowing upwards against gravity in it’s palm. You watch it for a moment confused, noticing the Sangheili smirking.
“So you can see it.” he says, the hourglass and hand fading. “So, that explains that dragon of yours.”
“You’re a Stand user.” you say, not as a question but as a matter of fact. He doesn’t seem to recognize the word, raising an eyebrow curiously. “So, my hunch was right.”
“Stand? User?” he asks, yet somehow it feels scripted. You feel like you’ve done this all before, and you think it has something to do with that hourglass you saw. “So, that’s what you Saiyans call it.”
“I learned that name from the humans.” you reply, crossing your arms. “So, what does your Stand do?”
“As if I’d just give away my secret abilities.” he replies easily. “You wouldn’t tell me the secrets of your own, why should I tell you mine?”

His every reply seems scripted, as if he’s been practicing this entire talk. And you’re still playing catch-up here; you don’t know how, but he seems to somehow be playing you. You don’t know what he’s planning, but since you already know he’s a Stand user you already know what you came here for.

But what do you do now?
>Thank him for his time and leave, then telepathically reach out to Jotaro and Joseph. Something’s wrong here
>Ask him why he wants to be the Dreadzone Champion, see what he’ll claim right to your face
>Tell him if he’s after revenge, he better come after you instead of your daughter. He kills her, you’ll destroy his home and entire race in retaliation
>See if he wants his chance at you, instead of your daughter, that you’re more than willing to fight him
>Other(write in)
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>>4089999
>let me guess it screws with time?
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>>4089999
>>Tell him if he’s after revenge, he better come after you instead of your daughter. He kills her, you’ll destroy his home and entire race in retaliation
>>Telepathically contact Towa. You think some weird time shit is going on right now and thats her specialty.
Its time fuckery. He's seeing into the future. That, or going by our sense of Deja Vu, he's rewinding time.
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>>4090005
i'm fine with contacting towa about this but please don't threaten him when he obviously has cameras recording us
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>>4089999
>Ask him why he wants to be the Dreadzone Champion, see what he’ll claim right to your face
>Tell him he could stand to put a little more effort into his act if he's trying to play us
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>>4089999
>>See if he wants his chance at you, instead of your daughter, that you’re more than willing to fight him
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>>4090015
Arctus already told us why this is not the best idea
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>>4089996
Motherfucker's Stand must be some type of prediction ability, but we need Joseph to confirm.
Unless he groundhog's days this shit.
>Telepathically contact Towa. You think some weird time shit is going on right now and thats her specialty.
>Ask him why he wants to be the Dreadzone Champion, see what he’ll claim right to your face
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>>4090020
I know, I just want to see what's his answer
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>>4090003
changing my vote to this>>4090022
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>>4090024
if it's his goal to kill us and he has a groundhog's day type stand playing his is a bad idea though to be fair we have little idea what of what he really wants
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>>4089999
>Ask him if his people know what happened to their Arbiter's soul after you killed him.
Let's shake him up a bit. Hearing that one of your Arbiters was enslaved in death at the hands of some random alien scum is bound to be very heretical, to religious nutjobs like the covvies.
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>>4090033
If he can Groundhog day this, he would have tried to kill us already.
>>4089999
Want to add this>>4090034
to my vote>>4090022
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>>4090036
not if he failed ever previous time and this is just another try besides we still have a treaty with the covvies it works out best for him if we're the aggressors
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>>4090003
>>4090005
>>4090013
>>4090015
>>4090022
>>4090026
>>4090034
>>4090036
Looks like telepathically contact Towa about this, and ask him why he wants to be Dreadzone Champion wins it. Writing.
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>>4089999
Hmmm. Definitely some kind of time ability. Some kind of Groundhog Day type ability like other anons mentioned seems fairly likely as well. Maybe something like you flip it over, and after the sand in the hourglass runs out time reverses to when you initially activated? Just to throw out a guess.
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>>4090049
True, but he must have his Stand run it as a simulation perhaps?
>>4090057
Maybe while the sand runs, he can get percentages based on Groundhog daying the moment.
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>>4090054
did the "tell him what happened their Arbiter's soul bit make it in?
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>>4090068
id bet it actually effects time due to the deja vu so it isn't time loop might be imperfect i wonder if is the first time we've had deja vu in relation to cero's persective?
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>>4090079
Doubtful, our instincts for time bullshit is almost as honed as our assassin instincts, though from the way he's calm we must not have let on that we know yet. Unless he's calm because we know, but not how we know.
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>>4090092
hmm i think he's already been through a loop or two likely many more due to how karn notes he sounds scripted but if that's the case why show his stand? he would have already have known we have a stand if he did so in one of the previous loops unless he wants us to know but why?
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>>4090109
Maybe it's a requirement for the effect to take place? Even with the other combatants, they did see something there, unless it's like ours in that it is visible when in use on a target, but unlike ours he's is more limited in who can still see it. And the scripted part may be just so he can have the conversation go the same way it did the first few times, to see if we give any new information, or to confirm something we said before.
Like conversation trees, but he doesn't know we notice the effect he has.
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>>4090133
his* is more*
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>>4090133
maybe maybe i can't really say i'm a fan of an enemy being a timelooper but given that it was GD who made this foe i'll assume he's not unbeatable
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>>4090142
It might be limited to the amount of time that could actually be counted in the hourglass? In a fight with us or our kids, it lasts seconds, but that is whole lot of seconds you have to go through to last till the end, and he might have to stretch it at the end before he gets handed his ass if he can't pull off a victory.
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>>4090144
that sounds reasonable if there's a cooldown or something otherwise what's to stop him from spaming it until he wins?
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>>4089999
“Towa, can you hear me?” you ask out to her telepathically. “We may have some time fuckery going on down here.”
“What do you mean?” she replies after a moment. “Your Chaya here and I have been watching Chaya’s fight with Erza, and nothing’s affected the flow of time. If something happened, I would have known about it.”
“I see.” you reply. “Just, keep an eye on this guy, okay? His Stand may be affecting time somehow, and I don’t want to get caught off-guard.”
“Understood.” she replies, you focusing back on the Sangheili sitting before you and address him.

“Fair enough.” you reply to him, changing your approach. He won’t just give away his abilities, but maybe you can find out something else. “But, if you’d humor me, I do have a question I want to ask you.”
“Of course.” he says, still seeming to be perfectly relaxed in his chair. “I don’t promise you I’ll answer, but you may feel free to ask.”
“Why do this?” you ask him seriously, his fake smug expression cracking for a moment as you continue. “So, why are you trying to become the Dreadzone Champion?”
“Huh?” he asks you, as if your question was something he didn’t quite understand. “Do what now?”
“Why are you trying to become Dreadzone’s Champion?” you ask him again. “Why are you going after my daughter?”

“Isn’t it obvious?” he asks you, smirking. “I’m here to destroy you.”
“What?” you ask, clenching your fists as you feel your blood pressure surging. “What did you say?”
“You heard me.” he replies, clearly enjoying your anger. “I’m going to annihilate you. But just killing you isn’t enough, not for all that you’ve done. I’m going to make you suffer, devil. That starts by taking away your precious daughter, and sending her to hell screami-!”
“Bastard!” you shout, transforming into your Berserker form into a burst of rage. But both of the Sangheili behind you draw their blades, and more importantly, Cero ‘Trasum smirks at your outburst. In a sudden spark of realization, you realize he’s goading you! He wants you to attack him!

What now?
>Take a calming breath, then take your leave. No need to do anything more reckless than you’ve already done
>Take the bait; attack and kill this bastard here and now. You’re quite a lot stronger than him, he can’t stop you
>Revert back to your base form, apologize to him for losing your cool and let him continue
>Other(write in)
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>>4089999
Fuck me, I just noticed, GD did include the flash our stand at the guy option
>“So, that explains that dragon of yours.”
He just said it now, which means we pulled off the nonchalant act, but his Stand tripped us.
>>4090157
First conceivable drawback is that the amount of Time he can perceive is proportional to the challenge. Second is if he can't get the situation to go in his favor consecutively like a dice roll with the Hourglass, it spirals out of control and he can't fix anything. Third, is that when it starts a groundhog day, and he can remember what happens but allows the opponent deja vu senses that something happened, and he still has to make something change under his own power, so if he can't pull it off before the deja vu kicks in for an opponent catches on, they can react to him in time if strong enough.
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>>4090169
>Revert to base form, and ask him what he thinks happened to the Arbiter before him soul.
>Try and Telekinesis the grenade on one of the guards to activate.
>Apologize for our outburst, and then calmly walk away saying we can destroy his world when we feel like it.
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>>4090169
>Verbally retaliate. Tell him all about his precious Arbiter's fate, rile him up.
Come on, Karn. We know you're one hell of a fighter, but what's your smack-talk like? You wouldn't let such a crucial skill dwindle, right?
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>>4090169
>>Revert back to your base form, apologize to him for losing your cool and let him continue

looks like we never asked why he wants to be champ before
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>>4090185
Indeed, maybe we are tipping our hand too early when he notices us knowing his shit in the next few sentences.
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>>4090172
dragon force is kinda noticeable and we've never been shy about using him
>>4090181
>>4090182
damn it guys! DON"T PLAY HIS GAME!!!
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>>4090191
Why not beat him at his own game? If he's going to talk shit, we should test his own willpower by talking shit back.
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>>4090169
>drop down to Legendary Super Saiyan, apologize to him for losing your cool and let him continue
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>>4090191
True, but he's never seen it when we haven't been Super or higher, which is odd he would remark on our Stand when everyone around him can see ours unless its in base. Thereby he has no reason to assume its not something we can just do, and its different to his ability.
>damn it guys! DON"T PLAY HIS GAME!!!
Your right, we are going to break his game. Ripping him apart is playing his game, he wants us to try.
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>>4090195
>>4090197
WE DON'T GET AN ARBITARY NUMBER OF TRIES YOU FOOLS!!!
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>>4090185
changing my vote to>>4090182
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>>4090169
>>Revert back to your base form, apologize to him for losing your cool and let him continue
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>>4090181
>>4090182
>>4090185
>>4090196
>>4090214
>>4090221
Revert back to base, and ask/tell him about the previous Arbiter’s fate wins it. Roll me a single d100 then, and let’s see what happens.
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>>4090214
.....that's exactly what we just did.
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>>4090214
changing my vote to>>4090221
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Rolled 85 (1d100)

>>4090223
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Rolled 62 (1d100)

>>4090223
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Rolled 70 (1d100)

>>4090223
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>>4090224
the reason i was flip-floping with my vote was i was trying to get a not-retarded vote to win
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>>4090229
Nice, sick burn deployed. Declared Warcrime for how brutal it was.
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>>4090236
Unless the DC is 90+, then we stutter and call him lame.
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>>4090236
he's gonna need ALOT of space aloe vera for that level of sick burn
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>>4090229
>>4090231
>>4090232
85/100. Quite the impressive roll, writing.
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>>4090235
You're as foolish as you are cowardly.
May your family line be cursed with incontinence and seasonal ant infestations, cur.
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>>4090239
We get a bonus for being under his skin already. We need a new BOI, this split chin is looking for the position on instinct, it would be a shame if we don't give it too him.
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>>4090241
i think your pic perfectly describes the complete verbal pounding he's about to receive
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>>4090242
i'll you're one of those sithfags who had us stand there screeching like a retard while the skeleton dragon burned the shit out of us
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>>4090253
Your judgement seems to be as terrible as your grasp on the english language. Never reply to one of my posts again, or I will eat your family dog like a starving chinaman.
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>>4090255
>*answer to your pic* yes
also go eat some more shit bud it seems to be what you like most
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>>4090169
For another moment you’re still tempted to attack him. Despite it being exactly what he wants, this bastard’s asking to die. But after the moment of Berserker rage, you sigh out and return back to your normal form. He seems surprised at this, his cool facade again cracking.

“Sorry about that.” you reply, once more relaxed. “When someone threatens my family like that, I kinda lose my cool. I’m sure you understand, what with what happened to the last Arbiter and all.”
“Wait, what?” he asks, you feeling the sudden intense attention of him and the other two Sangheili in the room. “What do you mean?”
“Didn’t you know?” you ask him casually. “I’m sure you saw that last siege of New Salda, machines and ghosts everywhere, but those watching missed what happened on that Dark Planet. Tell me, did you ever wonder where those spirits we’d fought came from?”
“I saw several proud Sangheili warriors fighting against-“ he starts, you interrupting him.
“That Tuffle machine, Hatchiyack, was built to enslave the very souls of vanquished warriors.” you tell him, this clearly catching the Sangheili off-guard. “That cowardly Tuffle stole the souls of those we had killed, stealing from their very essence to fuel his revenge machine.”

“No...” you hear one of Cero’s guards mutter from behind you, clearly horrified at that thought.
“Yes.” you say, turning to him and his partner and addressing them directly. “Even your late Arbiter’s soul was imprisoned by them, forced to serve as menial labor. Until they were all consumed, every single soul obliterated and turned into fuel for Hatchiyack.”
“You lie!” Cero shouts, his cool facade shattering as he rises to his feet in anger. “An honorable soul like his would never have met such an inglorious end!”
“You can believe whatever you want.” you say, smirking a bit to yourself at his outrage. But when his Stand appears, your guard is instantly back up. But after a moment of nothing happening, Cero calms himself back down. “But know this; your savior never reached his promised afterlife.”

“If that’s all, Saiyan, then get out.” he replies, still fuming at you. “I’m looking forward to my battle with your daughter next month. I hope you’re watching, devil.”
“Oh, I will be.” you reply, grinning maliciously at the Sangheili Stand-user. “I’m going to enjoy watching Chaya take you down.”

-Saiyan Conqueror Quest 118 paused-
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>>4090424
did karn notice anything different about his stand the second time he saw it?
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>>4090424
And that’s if for tonight, everyone having fun? Ready to begin training Chaya for her match with the Sangheili, as well as the continuing preparations for battling the Hive? And what do you think from what you’ve seen of Cero’s Stand?

>>4090447
No.
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>>4090424
Damn nice.
I wonder how long it'll be before this information starts rocking waves throughout the Covenant Empire.
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>>4090454
what actually happened to the souls that Hatchiyack used as a power source? is it like karn said and they went poof or did they go to yenma?
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>>4090424
Heheheh, he didn't think this was going to happen.
>Popped his Stand
Hmmmmm, for what reason did he do it now, to review whether or not we said anything else? Rewatch a time when we took the bait and got fucked in some way for it?
>>4090454
We shall train our baby girl in everything we can get from our recon with Towa's coaching about his probable time shit.
His Stand is now the second time fucking one we've seen, bit much, but I am curious as to what the hell it can do. Only thing I can say is that it isn't a direct attacking Stand, and it might not have a direct attack ability, but we have to check the previous matches more intensely to be sure. So beyond his ability, there should be TO much to be concerned about.
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>>4090492
He might have snapped and momentarily attacked karn before rewinding to before his freakout.
I bet that's the case.
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>>4090498
It's all fun and games until you realize his stand isn't based around time manipulation. I know because I can see the future.
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>>4090498
Which means it would be some kind of recording effect, and any particular point in time that could be counted by the hourglass is his personal recording box he could fuck around with. Which makes him much less dangerous than having an absolute Groundhog day Stand.
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What's funny is that this mothafucka doesn't even have his "ee" suffix. I know that doesn't mean much in character but we could've basically claimed stolen valor to get him to tard out.
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>>4090509
I bet if we ask Shellshock for ways that Chaya can say to piss him off it could come up.
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>>4090492
shouldn't* be
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>>4090475
Depends on how hard they hush this up.
>>4090482
Karn has no idea what actually happened to them once Hatchiyack consumed them all, but he does know that back on New Salda all the smoke figures lost their shapes at the same time.
>>4090492
>Hmmmmm, for what reason did he do it now
Good question.
>We shall train our baby girl in everything we can get from our recon with Towa's coaching about his probable time shit
Towa hasn’t noticed anything, as far as anything affecting time goes.
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>>4090549
So that either means she hasn't gotten the Stand detection sensors up yet, or this fucker is just making a little pocket recording of events that play alongside the actual timeline.
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>>4090549
Hushing things up worked out so well for China. What could possibly go wrong with trying that on an already fractured and abused religious empire stretched to its limit?
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>>4090561
What he’s doing is a really good question. Not even Towa’s noticed anything, and she’s on the outside looking in.
>>4090612
Depends on if it gets out or not.
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>>4090424
“Well, that was productive.” you mutter to yourself as the door shuts behind you. Focusing on your ki sense as you’d left, you managed to get a little bit more useful information. Neither of his guards were suppressing their powers, the shock of the news still having rattles them. But they’re nothing special, somewhere in the 10-20 million range. Cero, however, is a different story. Unlike yourself, losing your temper and going Berserk, you’d never felt his ki suppression waver. Although, while he could suppress his power, you could still somewhat feel his reserves. And your Super Saiyan form is probably somewhere around twice his full, unleashed strength. “Towa, can you still hear me?”
“Always.” comes her telepathic reply. “Koruza was here watching with me when he summoned his Stand, but he says he saw nothing too. Whatever he’s doing, it doesn’t seem to be anything related to time.”

“Well it was worth a shot, thanks anyway.” you reply, Towa bidding you farewell for now while you ponder your next move. A month from today, unless you do something to stop it, Chaya will be fighting that guy for her very life. He made his intent clear, he’s going to do his best to murder your daughter. The very thought gets your blood boiling, it taking several seconds of concentrated effort to calm back down. With that out of the way, and knowing Cero’s intentions, you at least have the relief of knowing he’s not going to try anything underhanded before the match. He wants to see your face as he kills your little girl, for the entire universe to see. He’d better hope Chaya ends his ambitions, because if she doesn’t, he’ll have hell to pay.

But what now? What do you do?
>Return to New Salda, you’ve seen all you need to see here
>Go to the arena, try and catch some of her fight
>Return to Shellshock, have him pull up some of Cero’s fights so you can try and figure out his Stand
>Other(write in)
30 minute vote
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>>4091059
>Return to Shellshock, have him pull up some of Cero’s fights so you can try and figure out his Stand
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>>4091059
>>Return to Shellshock, have him pull up some of Cero’s fights so you can try and figure out his Stand
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Going to leave the vote open another ten minutes, then I’ll tally votes
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>>4091068
>>4091072
Return to Shellshock, have him pull up some of Cero’s fights so you can try and figure out his Stand wins it. Roll me a 2d100
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Rolled 100, 31 = 131 (2d100)

>>4091111
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>>4091113
YES. FUCK. YES!
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Rolled 42, 18 = 60 (2d100)

>>4091111
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>>4091111
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Rolled 14, 11 = 25 (2d100)

>>4091132
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>>4091113
>>4091119
>>4091134
Crit, 31/100. Subarashi indeed, Karn actually figures out a bit of what it does. Writing.
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>>4091113
>>4091119
>>4091134
crit for a failed second roll, that is, worrying.
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This is taking quite awhile, writing this crit is a bit complex. Hopefully will have it finished within the next 30 minutes
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>>4091316
Based, its not worrying at all when crits make things complicated.
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>>4091059
“Alright, I’m ready to go back.” you say to your mechanized guides, the two machines leading you back to Chaya’s room. While you walk, you ponder what happened in Cero’s room and try to make sense of everything. Why did you feel like you’d seen it all before, and even recognized the Sangheili that you’d never seen before. Despite never being in his room before, somehow you’d known where everything would be. From the guards, to chairs and everything else, you’d felt like you had already seen him and his room before. But that makes no sense, as you’d never actually been in that part of the Dreadzone Station before. But nothing about this makes sense to you. After several minutes of walking and thinking, you still cannot figure it out. Maybe if you watch Cero fight, you will figure something else out?

“We have arrived.” one of the machines says, snapping you out of your thoughts as the other opens the door. You walk in, returning once more to Shellshock as you see Chaya still fighting her opponent.
“She hasn’t won yet?” you ask by way of greeting, Shellshock turning enough to see you.
“Erza is a talented opponent.” he says, you seeing her now in a suit of black armor wielding a massive weapon. Chaya, in her Ascended form is trading blows with the red-eyed warrior, neither seeming to have the advantage. “Did you figure out what you were hoping to?”
“No, not yet.” you reply. “But I did figure out a bit more. You wouldn’t happen to have some of his fights I could watch here, would you?”
“Sure, I’ve got a screen clear.” he replies, and after a moment the bottom-right screen changes. You see a now fully-armored Cero, staring down Chaya’s friend Tanya.

“I won’t hurt you if you surrender.” Cero says to Tanya, your daughter’s friend smirking. But she clearly doesn’t see his Stand, the hourglass once more appearing behind him. But this time there’s no sand in the bottom half, it all resting in the top.
“Big talk for someone about to be filled with holes.” Tanya replied, hefting her heavy rifle with the saw bayonet as she begins floating. “Let’s go.”

And so you watch the shootout between them, Cero surprisingly dodging every shot she fires. The fight lasts several minutes, Tanya keeping at range and switching between her weapons to try and hit Cero with something. But as you watch, you begin to notice something odd. Instead of watching the fight itself, you focus your attention on his Stand. As he continues dodging her hits, occasionally you see the hourglass’s sand suddenly just appearing in the bottom half. You never saw any sand drop down, where did it come from?
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>>4091381
“Wait, what?” you mutter, as the sands begin flowing up against gravity and into the top half. Cero abandons trying to fight her at range, realizing he can’t win against her in a shootout. So instead he swaps weapons, shield generator in his left and iconic Energy Sword in his right as he charges. Tanya keeps her distance, switching to her own iconic rifle and firing single shots after her pursuer. The shield stops her attacks, but then she stops running and creates a magical-seeming wall. She aims at Cero, already less than a dozen feet away as her eyes glow golden. Without hesitation she pulls the trigger, and fires. Cero, however, dodges her attack perfectly. As if he’d done it several times before he drops the shield and twists, the magically-enhanced shell flying past him with less than an inch of space. As he dodges this way, you see the hourglass’s bottom nearly filling with sand instantly. But the fight’s over, Cero closing and pressing his blade to her throat.

“Surrender, or lose your head.” he says, and for a moment you see Tanya reaching down for her pistol. But she just sighs out instead, going limp and surrendering. The crowd cheers, Cero banishing his Stand after releasing the small girl and putting away his blade. You ponder what you just witnessed, thinking it over. Whatever that hourglass does, it seems to lose sand whenever he narrowly dodges an attack. And that last attack, where Tanya seemed to have him dead-to-rights, it took quite a lot of his sand to dodge it. So you rewind the video, playing back that moment incredibly slowed down. You watch it again, his every movement extremely precise. With each of his movements, more and more sand suddenly appears in the bottom half of the hourglass. And once he dodges, you see the sand again flowing upwards into the nearly-empty top half.

“So that sand somehow let’s him perfectly react to an opponent’s attack.” you say to yourself, hand to your chin as you ponder aloud to yourself. “And the more difficult it is to avoid, the more of his sand it uses.”
“A perfect dodge ability?” Shellshock asks you, looking down curiously. “Is there really such a thing? A power like that would be nearly unstoppable.”
“I’ve seen a man use a similar ability to completely stop time, and even fought him. I wouldn’t rule anything out.” you tell him, gears whirling in his head as he tries to figure out if you’re joking. But that still doesn’t explain the feeling of deja vu you had in his room. There has to be something more to it, but you’re not going to figure out anything more sitting around like this.

But what do you do now?
>Watch the end of Chaya’s fight, see how it wraps up
>Telepathically reach out to Joseph and Jotaro, tell them what you saw and see what they think
>Telepathically tell Meloka what you found, and ask her opinion
>Other(write in)
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>>4091384
>>Watch the end of Chaya’s fight, see how it wraps up
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>>4091384
>Telepathically reach out to Joseph and Jotaro, tell them what you saw and see what they think
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>>4091381
Ooookay, I think I am starting to get where this fucker's ability is going.
He has a set amount of chances to get it right within the time of the hourglass, and if someone outclasses him enough in skill or power, it may be possible to override the Stand Ability, and he might have to use the entire limit before he can reset it. But it doesn't change the fact we knew him from the deja vu feeling...hmmm, maybe we can ask Towa if it's possible to make a small space that time doesn't escape from, and can be rewound without anyone noticing from the outside?
For now though.
>Watch the end of Chaya’s fight, see how it wraps up
Lets see where she is skill wise.
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>>4091384
>Telepathically reach out to Joseph, Jotaro, and Polnareff to tell them what you saw and see what they think
We shouldn't exclude our favorite frenchman. He's a stand user who's been in his fair share of stand fights too, so it'd be prudent to include him in the teleconference call.
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>>4091384
>>Watch the end of Chaya’s fight, see how it wraps up
>Telepathically reach out to Joseph, Jotaro, and Polnareff to tell them what you saw and see what they think
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Rolled 32, 5, 94 = 131 (3d100)

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>>4091437
Watch the end of Chaya’s fight, and telepathically reach out to the Joestar crew wins it. Writing
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>>4091454
God dammit, they better not be getting molested by Facehuggers.
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>>4091384
Since you’re already here, you decide to go ahead and watch the rest of Chaya’s match with the redheaded swordswoman. Who is currently still trading blows with Chaya, both swinging their large weapons into each others over and over again. The crowd seems to be loving every second of it, but you quickly see a problem: Chaya’s gassed. Her blows are getting sloppier and sloppier, the edge of her blade never lining up with her target as she swings wildly back and forth. Her foe sees this, leaping back from Chaya’s next swing and once more changing armor. Or rather, changing out of armor. Where before a suit of armor was, now she stands in a simple pair of flame-designed pants and tape covering her chest, a single-edged blade held in either hand.

“This ends now, Chaya!” she declares, pointing her left-handed sword as they both pant in exhaustion. Your daughter, however smirks, hefting the blade and slamming it point-first into the arena floor. Then, without saying a word, gestures in a ‘come and get me’ with her crooked finger. That’s all the provocation the redhead needs, launching herself forward and swinging both blades for Chaya’s head. Neither blade meets its target, however, as the hulking form of the Pursuer appears. It’s shield blocks the swords, right hand pulling it’s blade free from the ground and swinging it down. Erza flips aside, shocked at the sudden appearance of Chaya’s phantom. “What?”

“Well now, that’s new.” Shellshock says, clearly surprised by Chaya’s summon as well. You quickly explain to him what it is and how she’d found it. “Interesting. Using an ancient possessed weapon’s spirit isn’t against the rules, so she won’t be disqualified for it. So that’s why she brought that sword along with her, despite not knowing how to wield it.”
“I’m going to help her fix that.” you assure Shellshock, Chaya taking to the air as her opponent now fights the Pursuer. But something’s still nagging you about Cero’s Stand. You can’t quite figure it out, so you decide to reach out telepathically to the Joestar crew. “Hey, can you all hear me? Joseph, Jotaro? Polnareff?”
“Karn?” Joseph replies, the presences of the three Stand users all suddenly there in your mind. “What’s going on?”

“I just saw a Stand, and I’m hoping you guys can help me figure out what it does.” you tell them all. “Chaya’s gonna be fighting this guy in a month’s time, and she’ll need to know what he can do.”
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>>4091653
“Of course.” Polnareff replies instantly. “First, did you see what that enemy Stand looks like?”
“It looks like a giant hourglass, clutched in a skeletal hand.” you say. “And the sand flows against gravity, rising up into the top instead of down.”
“That’s it?” Jotaro asks, Joseph following it up.
“Does it move, or seem to do anything?”
“It doesn’t move or do anything, at least directly.” you reply, explaining what you’d observed in his fight with Tanya. “And I was speaking with Towa; while she was watching our timeline from the outside, she didn’t notice anything messing with the flow of time itself.”

“So, it isn’t anything that manipulates time like Star Platinum or Za Warudo.” Joseph thinks back thoughtfully. “From what you’ve told me, my best guess would be this thing seems to give him some sort of prediction ability. If it isn’t manipulating time, it seems to somehow allow him to pick the best options in any scenario. I still don’t know about the deja vu sense you’re getting, but without fighting it myself, that would be what I’d say.”
“I still think it is some sort of time manipulation.” Polnareff says. “Something that allows him to undo or redo events, and retry something over and over until he gets the result he wants.”
“Good grief.” Jotaro replies, ending the telepathic communication with you all.

“Well, thank you all for your time.” you reply, ending the telepathic communications. Focusing again on Chaya’s fight, you see it’s coming to a close. With Chaya raining down her punching ki blasts while the Pursuer aggressively presses the attack, the magic swordswoman is soon overwhelmed. She narrowly blocks a powerful swing, it knocking her to the ground. Before she could recover Chaya capitalizes; unleashes blast after blast on the downed fighter until she’s obscured by a massive dust cloud. Chaya floats down, taking her massive blade back from the Pursuer as it dissolves, fading away into nothing. The dust clears as Chaya rests her blade on her shoulder, the mage unconscious in a newly-made crater.

“That’s it, this match is over!” Dallas shouts, the crowd roaring. “Our winner, and still undefeated champion: Chaya!”
“Not bad kiddo.” you mutter, Shellshock congratulating her on her victory.

But what do you do now?
>Wait here for Chaya to return and surprise her
>Go back home, you have other things to do
>Go visit with Gleeman Vox, you need to speak with him
>Other(write in)
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>>4091662
>Wait here for Chaya to return and surprise her
Fake an assassination attempt to make sure she keeps her guard up like her old man.
That's just the saiyan way of playing around, right?
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>>4091674
This
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>>4091662
>Wait here for Chaya to return and surprise her
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>>4091662
>>Wait here for Chaya to return and surprise her
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>>4091662
>>Wait here for Chaya to return and surprise her
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>>4091674
>>4091687
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>>4091706
>>4091708
Wait for Chaya to return and surprise her wins it. Writing.
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Sounds like Chaya needs sure fire way to hit this guy if she has to deal with this stand of his. Didn't Meloka have some super lethal and accurate ki attacks? If she can learn one or two of those i think it could drain his sand very quickly.
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>>4091662
“Hey, don’t tell her I’m here.” you tell Shellshock, dashing over to the large double doors. You leap up above them, floating by the ceiling as you sigh out, suppressing your powerlevel like the late Guardian’d taught you. He, seeming to understand what you’re doing says nothing, pushing himself up slowly from his seat and leaves the headset at his desk. Before he can take two steps the door beneath you opens, Chaya walking in dragging her sword.

“Excellent work out there.” Shellshock tells her, Chaya dropping the sword just inside the doorway and flopping to the ground with a loud sigh. “You alright down there.”
“I’m tired.” she says, pointing back at her sword without looking up. “That thing’s heavy! How does Dad fight with something like that?”
“Well, your blade is much larger than his.” Shellshock says, you silently drifting down to the ground just behind her. “Why don’t you ask him?”
“Huh?” she asks him, raising her head up to look at him. As she does, you finish dropping down and slip your arm under her jaw, catching her in a tight headlock. “Ack!”

“Gotta keep your guard up, kiddo.” you say to her, seeing her eyes widen in surprise at your voice. You hold the headlock a moment longer before releasing it, rising back to your feet and lifting your daughter up as well. “Never know when the enemy will strike. Good fight, by the way.”
“You saw my fight? Really?” she asks you, seemingly surprised. “Did I do good?“
“That was some pretty sloppy sword work.” you tell her, Chaya wilting at your criticism. Before she can say anything, however, you put your hand on her head and ruffle her hair. “How about some lessons when we get back home?”
“Really?!” she asks, almost bouncing with excitement. “Really really?”
“Really really.” you reply with a chuckle. “C’mon kiddo, let’s get you on home. You and Chaya walk back towards where Raven’d opened the portal, you carrying her heavy greatsword on your shoulder for her as she hums along beside you.

“Hmm hmm hm hm, hmm hmm hm hm, hmm hmm hmm.” she hums, skipping along beside you and smiling happily. You see her smile, feeling your resolve hardening by the second. You have a month to prepare her for the fight of her life, and you’re not gonna waste it. She’ll be ready, one way or another.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=nC2FlGq5sd4

-Saiyan Conqueror Quest 118 End-
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>>4091825
If tatsu saw this, his grizzled old heart would melt.
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>>4091825
And that’s it for tonight, everyone have fun? Ready to begin training Chaya for her fight with Cero ‘Trasum, and also preparing for the upcoming war with the Hive? Ready to address what happened with your crew, and to prepare for your transportation going forward? All this and more, next time on Saiyan Conqueror Quest!

>>4091837
He’d appreciate Karn teaching her a valuable lesson.
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>>4091849
I'm thinking that we could sneak in training ourselves while training Chaya. It'll give Karn a chance to refine his ki control, precision, and dodging if we attempt to fight her in the same way that we've seen Cero fight...and, obviously, Chaya would gain valuable experience by fighting someone who acts similarly to her upcoming opponent.
And hey, if we beat Chaya hard enough, she only grows tougher from it.
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Has anyone ever thought of getting a writer to help Karn write an autobiography? I think opening up about his personal life and the things he's learned along the way would really do well do dispel the misinformation and myths that would eventually morph into a religion a few centuries on, instead being remembered as monkey Jesus he would be remembered as a mixture of Alexander the great and Socretes. Regarded as one of the greatest beings to ever exist but not a divine being, just a regular guy who got really, really good at what he did through hard work, someone to aspire to become, not an untouchable deity beyond the scope of mortals. If anything being worshiped as a god would piss Karn off since he doesn't want to be lumped in with the assholes who are actual gods.
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>>4091868
This could be a good idea
>>4091875
Vox thought of it, but figured a simple biography combining their footage and pto records could get similar results
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>>4091849
>>4091985
I am ready to to just start making taps all around Chaya till she's paranoid, and then not doing anything, waiting till she drops her guard and then getting her. The Twitch method if you will.
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>>4092464
I know it's a little weird, but...
What if we practiced 'blindfighting' with Chaya? She can't see stands, so being able to sense an opponent and everything they're doing without the usage of eyesight could be beneficial. Hone her hearing, sense of touch, ki sensing, etcetera.
It's also worth noting that people's bodies react to what they're about to do. If you can get good enough to sense that, then you'd have a huge advantage in both offense and defense.
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>>4092484
That's basically what I meant, give her our Spider-Sense.
>>4092464
also traps*
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>>4092464
You may, but she’s clever. She’s seen some of Vox’s more devious traps, before she became the champion.
>>4092484
Having her fight blind could help, but not too much for this fight. You can’t actually teach her your reflexes.
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>>4093638
Vox's traps are literally circular saws and pits of lava. No offense to the guy he knows how to make a show but he doesn't make things expressly to kill without fanfare. It's all spectacle with him, because that makes the most money.
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>>4093669
>but he doesn't make things expressly to kill without fanfare
There is still that one experimental arena that he sends those too popular to kill off, but too onrey to control....
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QM UPDATE

Writing another what-if epilogue for this week, this time we’ll be checking out a potential Tournament of Power. Hope everyone’s ready for that. In the meantime, I’ll be around if anyone has questions they want to ask
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>>4095287
>in this ToP Karn dads Jiren so hard he cries
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>>4095287
>ToP, otherwise known as, Vox's golden egg
Finally.
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>>4095287
So, if the Super Saiyan God ritual is how we unlock Berserker 3, how the heck do you unlock Berserker God?

Also, since we have Primal Vegeta and Golden Freeza on hand, what do you think of us trying to start on Emerald Oozaru? Together Primal Vegeta and Golden Freeza Stamina Addition have half the PL of our Emerald Ape form and can actually fight smart while we rage out. Sure we need to practice it on a planet we're ok with blowing up, but besides the time we put into it, *which is gunna be an issue no matter what*, or our remedial training in Ki Control ect. is there any reason not to try for it?
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>>4095287
>ToP in karn timeline
>implying this would happen when nobody in karns universe is dumb enough to set off zeno.
I bet the time patrol was behind this bullshit.
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>>4095337
>how the heck do you unlock Berserker God?
We have to get angrier.
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>>4095342
>We have to get angrier.
Actually GD did say all life has a Tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiny spark of Divinity in them from being created by the Supreme Kai.

If we got mad enough at Shin do you think we could go Berserker God by challenging the collective anger and disappointment of Supreme Kai's past?
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>>4095337
>how the heck do you unlock Berserker God?
Best guess I can come up with is to just train with someone who has God Ki.
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>>4095362
To be fair all things considered shin is simply incompetent, it's not so bad because all he needs is a proper fucking teacher, unlike SKoT, or beerus who is actively malevolent. Basically the difference is we can get shin to stop being a fuck, the other two probably need to die at some point.
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>>4095362
>If we got mad enough at Shin do you think we could go Berserker God by challenging the collective anger and disappointment of Supreme Kai's past?

When in doubt, scream it out. The Saiyan way.
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>>4095369
I mean that's how Vegeta did it, right?
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>>4095370
He's had 75 million years to pick up the fucking pace and Beerus has had even longer.
They're all shit and deserve nothing but the Dark.
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>>4095376
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt by assuming he's the slow child in kai class.
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>>4095379
75 MILLION YEARS
75 THOUSAND MILLENNIA
HE'S HAD MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME TO BUST HIS ASS AND LEARN
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>>4095382
He's a got a yes man servant that kisses his ass at every opportunity. And no logical reason to think he needs to finish his training.
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>>4095391
>And no logical reason to think he needs to finish his training.
Babidi isn't fucking dead for starters. And the mortal level of the universe is fucking pitiful for another.
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>>4095394
Yeah, but he gets to act smug thinking some mortal took care of the senile old wizard that failed, and sip his tea another day.
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>>4095315
Ha.
>>4095319
It’s a win-win to cover it. Worst-case scenario everything’s erased, but then he doesn’t have to worry about ratings.
>>4095337
>Berserker God
Good question. But that would be spoiling.
>Emerald Oozaru
I wouldn’t recommend it. Even Golden Freeza wouldn’t be able to control that right now.
>>4095338
>implying the U6/U7 tournament doesn’t happen
That will still go down, but may be sooner than ‘canon’. Which gave Zeno the idea for the ToP. Only reason he temporarily forgot was Goku brought Future Zeno along.
>>4095342
Well, not exactly wrong.
>>4095369
Could be part of it.
>>4095370
>>4095376
>>4095382
>>4095391
In the Supreme Kai’s defense, Beerus didn’t exactly encourage or help him. And Whis was less than no help to him as well, leaving him to figure shit of a universal scale out on his own. Don’t forget, he didn’t even know the Potara he wore for thousands of years could fuse different beings together.
>>4095394
>Babidi
He was busy hunting him as well, another reason he never improved at his actual job.
>mortal level
Not one of the other deities of the other twelve universes knew about that either.
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>>4095411
>He was busy hunting him as well
I think you mean he was busy staring into a crystal ball for a thousand years instead of doing literally anything else that would be a better use of his time or more efficiently scrying. Seriously just get a bunch of monkeys with crystal balls to look for a wrinkly yellow ballsack looking for a pink blob egg. Or maybe trying to see if there are other spells divine or otherwise which can track people.

I'm sorry but Shin is so smug and self-assured that he doesn't even realize that improvement is always good even if you are at the top of the metaphorical food chain. Total douchebag. Did I mention I don't like Shin?
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>>4095411
>I wouldn’t recommend it. Even Golden Freeza wouldn’t be able to control that right now.
I mean, thats a fair point, but he'd have Primal Vegeta to help and well....when will they be able to control it? Karns base PL is only going to grow in the future, and since we know Berserker 3 is locked behind the God Ritual, we can focus on Mastery of Berserker 1 & 2, our basic skills, and then just grinding our base PL. Meanwhile Freeza still has to work on holding Full Golden and working on his base PL, and Vegeta has to work on Base + Primal.

Like....if they can't handle us now, when will they be able to?
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>>4095554
Energy control is the route to go for a while now, brother.
Too neglectful of it etc etc
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>>4095562
I did mention basic skills.
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Actually thinking about it, would towa know anyplace we could just go and monkey rage as emerald oozaru mode till we get our shit together? like a completely dead universe or some shit that literally nobody would care about?
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>>4095536
>crystal ball
That would be Elder Kai who makes those, the current Supreme Kai could not.
>I'm sorry but Shin is so smug and self-assured that he doesn't even realize that improvement is always good
That is my biggest complaint with him as well. He saw Buu’s power firsthand, why didn’t he try and train himself? Or at least develop a technique able to stop it long enough to run away?
>>4095554
Wouldn’t recommend trying Emerald Oozaru until Freeza’s unlocked the Golden form’s true power.
>>4095786
There is the World of Void, but she can’t get you there without divine power. And the Supreme Kai of Time would try capturing you again.
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>>4096241
>the Golden form’s true power.
Wuh?
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>>4096241
>That would be Elder Kai who makes those
And an old ass woman on Earth, apparently.
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>>4096250
Just because Freeza can access the Golden form, it doesn’t mean he’s fully tapped into it’s latent power. Sort of like the difference between Goku’s first Super Saiyan on Namek vs his Super Saiyan after leaving the Time Chamber.
>>4096590
Witches are everywhen, and everywhere. Never know when you’ll run into one.
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>>4096773
Elder Kai didn't knew and for that he became Elder Kai. A cautionary tale about witches.
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>>4096783
No, he knew. Which is why he was terrified when the old witch started to put his on.
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>>4096773
>Never know when you’ll run into one.
Everywhen. You just said
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>>4096241
>SKOT would try to capture us for trying to get shit under control away from literally everyone and anyone
This type of shit is literally why she's a God damn villain, this is some Saturday morning cartoon shit.
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>>4096918
I mean, she's not a complete idiot, if we got Emerald Oozaru usable, or worse got Primal Beserker, there's no way in hell we wouldn't use it to push her shit in. Keeping us from the Void is in her best interests.
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>>4096813
Witches have existed all throughout time.
>>4096918
She has to stop you from growing too powerful to stop. Having to contend with a potential Apex Karn is not something she’s ready for.
>>4096924
She’s more worried you’d go beyond that, as Chaya did.
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>>4096988
Is there a hard cap on our natural base powerlevel or can we just go on to infinity potentially?
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>>4096988
You know I don't even think karn would bother to do so if it wasn't for the fact every time we see her or her envoys she always directly threatens to kill us and everyone we give a shit about. If she could even remotely try not to be a sociopathic monster that makes frieza look like a damn saint, karn probably would never bother, but she enjoys pissing karn off to no end so she should worry about the results of being a general fuckhead.
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>>4096241
>Supreme Kai of Time would try capturing you again.
If that happened and Karn couldn't escape then he would try to get in a position where he would try to self destrut in a way that would kill SKoT and destroy as much of the time patrol as possible. Vegeta on barely any power left was able to blow up half a continent, can you even imagine how much shit would be destroyed if Karn only expended enough energy to destroy the energy suppressors before going supernova. Honestly from how much experience we have from explosive wave variants we might be able to blow our entire load at once without dying, normally we wouldn't want to do that since most of the galaxy would go with us but Conton is in some weird pocket dimension outside of time and space so we can intentionally cause as much collateral damage as possible.
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>>4096988
>She’s more worried you’d go beyond that, as Chaya did.
I mean......I kinda doubt that's gunna happen unless Towa gives us a DNA Treatment or something to extend our aging. We probably won't get Primal Berserker until we're in our 70s or something, add Mastering it, and then the difficulty in hitting APEX Berserker? There's no real way we'll hit that in our natural lifespan.
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>>4097029
Honestly we could go for primal right now if we truly didn't give a single fuck, that's pretty much why I wanted to know if there was a free dead universe we could blow up as the big Green monkey.
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>>4097032
If we somehow have Chili learn time travel we can go to a point after the heat death of the universe and spend some time training there where nothing exists for us to damage, but I think there is only one very specific set of circumstances where our boy could pick that up.
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>>4097036
>that spoiler
Oh fuck he really would fit in there. Jesus Christ it's so obvious now.
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>>4097012
There’s no real hard cap to a Saiyan’s power. You’re only limited by your training methods, and the time you have.
>>4097014
If your timeline hadn’t veered wildly off-course, she would have never bothered.
>>4097024
Karn does have the potential to cause serious damage in a suicide attack.
>>4097029
There’s a currently-unknown secret to Primal, if you or your allies manage to achieve true mastery of it. It’s insanely difficult to do, and even Future Chaya still hasn’t done it.
>>4097036
I won’t say it’s impossible. But there are several more-likely scenarios.
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>>4097056
>There’s a currently-unknown secret to Primal, if you or your allies manage to achieve true mastery of it.
Are you talking about Full Power Super Saiyan 4? Or do you mean something even beyond that?
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>>4097056
>There’s a currently-unknown secret to Primal
i get the feeling mastered primal means you actually stop aging is my guess.
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>>4097064
Full-Power Super Saiyan 4 GT Goku achieved it, as I remember it, was only due to several other Saiyans powering him up.
>>4097070
It doesn’t stop you from aging. Almost nothing short of a magical, wish-granting dragon can do that.
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>>4097212
Immortal phoenixes, certain herbs, fountains of youth, being a fucking witch with connections to the afterlife...
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>>4097216
Wait, you said stop from aging, not stop from dying.
Yeah, eternal youth is actually rare.
Whoops.
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>>4097216
>>4097218
Bingo. There’s a big difference between eternal life and eternal not-aging.
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>>4097392
So your saying maxed primal makes you unable to die by old age? Sounds like a special kind of terrible for the Supreme kai to deal with, considering future chaya is almost at maxed already. I think we found our way to actually reaching apex but it will take a damn long time.
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From the Wiki:

This form is a transformation from Golden Great Ape, achieved when a Golden Great Ape has achieved a "human heart" - causing the birth of this form, which has both the tremendous power of the Golden Great Ape and the reasoning of a "human heart".[5] Unlike the main Super Saiyan forms, a user of this form will always appear as an adult,[5] this is because this form raises the power of the user to their prime physical condition, the user will not only appear as an adult but also look considerably younger, similar to the way they did during their prime years, (e.g. Goku's skin turning back into its original peach color, Vegeta's hair becoming the iconic flame-like appearance he always sported through his prime years)

So yeah, looking at it, if you Fully Master Primal and can stay in that form 24/7 you can't die of Old Age.
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>>4097699
Yeah but that means you have to live with really shitty pants for all eternity.

And guy liner.
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>>4097707
I mean, Jareth pulled it off.
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>>4097699
>So yeah, looking at it, if you Fully Master Primal and can stay in that form 24/7 you can't die of Old Age.
I've already thought of that, GD said it wouldn't work. It'd be kind of an All Might situation.
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>>4097712
Yeah but it pains me to say we are not David Bowie
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>>4097725
....does he exist in our universe?
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>>4097739
Well our universe hasn't been destroyed yet so I assume he's here keeping it worthy.
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>>4097757
our universe is down david bowie but its still around; truly the worst timeline.
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>>4097655
That may not be quite correct.
>>4097699
Cosmetic changes don’t necessarily reflect internal change.
>>4097707
Ha.
>>4097718
Not exactly, but excellent analogy
>>4097837
We may be down Bowie, but we do have SCQ that didn’t burn out after one episode. So it’s not the worst timeline.
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>>4098346
>We may be down Bowie, but we do have SCQ that didn’t burn out after one episode. So it’s not the worst timeline.
Correct, it's a best timeline.
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>>4098346
Is there any feasible method of us actually training to control our Emerald Great Ape transformation?
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>>4098358
Unless we can fuck off back to Theros for a bit, and fuck their shit up while we train.
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>>4098359
>Theros gods: i sure hope that green bastard doesn't come back.
>Emerald Great Ape Dragon Force karn: *M E N A C I N G*
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>>4098469
karn cannot delay learning the powerball forever, damn it
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I'd like to go train with raven, we never hang with her anymore.
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>>4098631
She's busy managing a planet, we're busy protecting a species, there isn't a lot of overlap in our schedules right now. And I'm assuming we interact off-screen, same as we probably interact with Ubo or Bardock or like 70% of the other Saiyans we're not related to, despite not seeing them for quite a few episodes.
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>>4098355
Well thank you.
>>4098358
Yes, but not immediately. And there’s quite a bit of risk too in using New Salda to help restrain your more violent tendencies.
>>4098469
They may actually have prepared for your return.
>>4098631
>>4098660
Well you had been, before the siege. But this single day in-quest has now been 7 full threads.
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-Saiyan Conqueror Quest 118 Epilogue, Potential Future Special III-

AGE 780, WORLD OF VOID

“TAKE THIS!!” Chaya shouts, your daughter’s left fist slamming into the red wolfman’s jaw and sending him flying out of the ring. Had he been able to fly, he could have saved himself. But this is the Tournament of Power, and Zeno’s power somehow prevents flight from those without natural means from doing so.
“Basil!!” the other two hounds howl, both launching themselves at her. But they unfortunately can’t get close, Chilli opening a portal midair between them and her. Unable to fly away and dodge the portal, they both fly right through it and reappear well outside of the arena bounds. Unable to return to the stage, they both fall as well.
“H-Hey! Those were mine!” Chaya shouts, your daughter pointing her mechanical right hand at her younger brother. “After this tournament’s over, I’m kicking your ass for that!”

“Mmmm. They seem to be having such fun.” Freeza says, your longtime friend chuckling as he stands beside you near the central pillar. “But are you sure you won’t join them?”
“No, not just yet.” you reply, shaking your head. You are Karn: father of more than a dozen proud Saiyan warriors, grandfather of even more, husband of Meloka the Super Saiyan God, and the legendary Saiyan who has broken through all known mortal limits. You are in the World of Void, fighting for the survival of your entire universe. And the entertainment of Zeno, the child-sized ruler who stands atop the twelve universes. “Not until he moves.”
“That smug bastard is certainly quite strong.” Freeza says, you both looking to the strongest fighter on the stage. Standing just as tall as you are, and quite well built, Universe 11’s strongest fighter hasn’t moved since the tournament first began. You and your whole team were stunned when Jiren first arrived, Chaya declaring she’d take him down before this was all over. “I know the limits of my power, and being forced to fight non-lethally like this, I doubt I could even slow him down. What about you?”

“I don’t know.” you reply honestly. You had arrived to this dimension hiding your true powerlevel, planning to wait out the initial stages of the tournament then mop up once the weaker fighters were all rung out. But Jiren’s presence is terrifying, and until you ascend to your ultimate form, you won’t quite know how you stack up.
“I think we can take him.” Meloka says, your wife feigning confidence you can tell she doesn’t feel. “If we work together, and give it everything we’ve got, we can knock him out of this ring.”
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>>4098806
“I’m not so sure.” Vegeta replies, the Saiyan King wearing his full armor. Which is impressive, the armor custom-made to withstand his current Primal Saiyan transformation. He had long ago mastered the more-bestial form, able to maintain the transformed state for years at a time. “Even if I go Apex, I don’t think I can take him out. He’s strong.”
“Hey Dad, what about that thing you did?” Caulifla asks, your Stand-wielding daughter asks. “You know, when you went all shiny against that assassin?”
“Ultra Instinct?” you ask her, shaking your head. “I’ve been training with Whis, but haven’t been able to tap into it since. We shouldn’t bet on a miracle to save our universe.”

“I understand.” she says, you resting a hand on your daughter’s shoulder and smiling. Despite being years younger than your eldest Chaya, Caulifla grew up tall like yourself. She stands nearly at eye level with you, towering over even most of the other Saiyans. “If we want to win this, we’ll have to seize victory with our own hands!”
“That’s the spirit.” you reply, when suddenly things change. From somewhere nearby you see several red rings rise, forming a shadowy dome around you all. You look around, trying to figure out what’s going on when suddenly shadowy figures begin to materialize.
“Time to die.” a shadowy, many-limbed monster says, several other monsters appearing and chuckling intimidatingly. “I hope you’re ready!”
“Triumph!” Caulifla shouts, her Stand appearing in a flash of fire.

“KIIIIIIIIIII!!” her Stand caws, breathing a stream of superheated flames that dispel the illusions around you all. But that’s not it, you hearing something also screaming in agony. Following the sound you find a bug, it crying from the pain and left smoking. You gingerly pick the insect up, Triumph dropping a single tear for it. Before her Stand’s healing can really begin to take effect, however, you toss it out-of-bounds.
“Chilli-“ you start telepathically, your son interrupting you.
“Already on it. Just a little more...” he says, and moments later the odd dome vanishes. “There!”
“Thanks Chilli.” you reply, as suddenly another fighter is send crashing down to the ground near you all. As the dust clears your eyebrows raise in surprise, of all the fighters here you weren’t expecting him. “Hit?”
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>>4098810
“Karn.” he replies, rising back to his feet and taking his fighting stance once more. “Our rematch will have to wait until after I’ve dealt with this one.”
“Dealt with? Ha! I’m the one who’s gonna send you outta this ring, assassin.” a purple, long-eared man says. He’s wearing the red and black of Universe 11, and the fact he’s got Hit on the defensive is a testament to his prowess. “Stay outta my way, Universe 7. Or I’ll send you outta this ring too.”
“Quite the smug one, isn’t he?” Freeza says to you, smirking. “Perhaps we should teach him a lesson...?”
“Nah, let’s watch and see what happens.” you reply. “Who knows, maybe they’ll even take each other out?”
“You really think I’d lose to someone like him?” Hit asks you without turning.

“Oho, mighty big words for someone who hasn’t landed even a single punch!” the Pride Trooper shouts, blinking over to Hit and sending him flying. You blink several times in confusion, having not seen the Universe 11 fighter move. He’s fast, no wonder Hit is having trouble keeping up. You watch as Hit is knocked closer and closer to the edge, at this rate his opponent will send him over. It seems this Universe 11 has several powerful fighters at their disposal. But you can’t ponder on that long, as another fighter suddenly announces herself.
“Hey you! Yeah, I’m talkin’ to you old man!” you hear a woman shout. You, Meloka, Freeza and Caulifla all turn, seeing a woman standing nearby with another standing timidly behind her. “I heard your Super Saiyan form is real special, like my sister Kale’s here. Why don’t you show it off, so we can see if it’s true?”

“Who’re you?” you ask the girl, who’s seriously lacking in musculature. But your wife speaks up first, already done with this kid.
“Go away.” Meloka says, gathering her ki in her right hand and firing a small ki blast. But to your surprise this stranger transforms into a Super Saiyan, swatting Meloka’s blast away. “Oh?”
“We’ll make you regret underestimating us!” she says, then turns to her cowardly sister. “C’mon Kale, show these losers what you can do!”
“A-Alright.” the taller, timid woman says. But after a moment you feel her ki surging; it taking on a familiar hue. “GRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!”
“Well, this is a surprise.” you say as the woman continues screaming, you addressing the smaller one. “Tell me, what is her name?”
“She’s Kale, and I’m Caulifla of Universe 6!” she shouts proudly, your daughter Caulifla looking at her akwardly. “Now, enough stalling old man! Show us what you can do!”
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>>4098813
“You know what, why not?” you reply, clenching your fists as you prepare to transform. “I could use a bit of a warm up before I start fighting.”
“Oh you’re gonna eat those words!” Caulifla shouts angrily, Ascending in a burst of sparks. “C’mon Kale, let’s kick his ass!”
“RRRAAAAAAAA!!” this Berserker Kale shouts, dashing headlong at you. You smirk, the Universe 6 Saiyan clearly having little to no control over her transformed state. She swings wildly for your head, you flashing up to your normal Berserker form and catching her right fist with your left hand.
“Hmph, not bad.” you say, easily holding her back. But the rampaging Berserker doesn’t hesitate, following up with a left. As she swings you toss her right hand into her left, spinning her sideways and leaving her vulnerable. Before she can recover you slam your right fist into her cheek, sending the Universe 6 Saiyan flying. You watch as she flies back helplessly, smashing into some sort of metal lizard man. It stops her flight, but is itself sent flying right off the edge of the arena.

“Kale! Grrr, you’ll pay for that!!” Universe 6’s Caulifla shouts as she lunges at you. But her attempt is thwarted by Meloka, your wife’s arm glowing with her divine power. You look to her, seeing that she hasn’t fully transformed into her godly form. But her eyes have changed, becoming red like her Super Saiyan God form’s. “Huh?”
“No.” Meloka says simply, tossing the younger woman sky-high.
“GRRRAAAAAAA!!!” Kale roars again, unleashing a devastating blast from her mouth. Several weaker fighters leap away, avoiding her powerful attack. But you don’t even flinch, lifting a hand and activating your Barrier. The beam of energy crashes into your shield, but your shield has taken stronger attacks sparring with your adult children, so this is easy. After several seconds her attack finally ends, you taking the initiative to end this.

“This ends now.” you say, dashing swiftly over to her and punching her gut with your right. The impact winds the Berserker, you feeing the air leaving her lungs. Kale wheezes out, you following up with a quick 1-2 to her face then a leaping left knee to her jaw. The crushing blow topples the the Berserker, who falls and doesn’t immediately attempt to rise. With her stunned, you decide to finish this. Reaching down you grab her rapidly-shrinking ankle as she reverts to her base form and toss her, your throw sending her straight out-of-bounds. But instead of removing her from the contest, the shock-absorbing Botamo leaps up and catches her. He absorbs the power from your throw, landing back on the ground by the arena’s edge. “Well, looks like she’s-“

But before you can finish the thought, you suddenly feel a tremendous surge of ki. Looks like he’s done waiting.
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>>4098815
Turning towards the surging power you see Jiren the Grey, Universe 11’s strongest fighter walking towards you. But before he takes more than a half-dozen steps, another fighter leaps between him and you.

“Oh no you don’t!” Chaya shouts, pointing at the warrior. “If you wanna fight my dad, you gotta go through me!”
“Out of my way.” Jiren says, powerful shockwaves blasting out from him. They nearly knock Chaya over, but your daughter ascends into her bestial, Primal form.
“I’m not gonna let you pass.” she says, taking her fighting stance.” Jiren seems momentarily surprised by her sudden surge of power, then his eyes narrow.
“Last chance.” he says, resuming his walk towards you. “Stand aside.”
“Like hell!” she shouts, flaring her aura and dashing in. Jiren doesn’t seem to react to her charge, but right as she closes to fighting range his eyes flash red.

“KYAAAAAAAA!!!” Chaya screams out in agony as she’s sent flying over your head to smash into the central pillar. Jiren keeps walking towards you as if nothing happened, you taking a few steps forward as well.
“Impressive.” you say, crossing your arms and trying to exude confidence. “Not many fighters can send my daughter flying like that.”
“You will fall here.” Jiren says, his strength surging even higher. Before you can respond, both Meloka and Freeza leap up to you and transform.
“HRRRAAAAAAA!!” Meloka roars, her divine aura enshrouding her body tight for several moments before shattering and revealing her Super Saiyan Blue form.
“SHYAAAAAAAA!!” Freeza cries out, golden aura enveloping him as well as his body becomes gilded.
“Hiding behind your comrades?” Jiren says insultingly. “Fine then, I’ll crush you all.”
“Wait.” you say, reaching out and placing a hand on each of their shoulders. “You guys hang back. I’ll take him on.”
“But-!” Meloka starts, you interrupting her via telepathy.

“Protect Caulifla.” you tell both her and Freeza mentally. “If he messes me up, I can Instant Transmission back and get fixed up. Let me fight him, and we’ll see just how strong he is.”
“Very well.” Freeza says aloud, reverting to his fourth form as he turns his back on Jiren. “I look forward to your victory.”
“Be careful.” Meloka says, you leaning down and kissing your wife a moment before returning your attention to Jiren, Meloka rushing back.
“Alright Jiren, you and me.” you reply, clenching your fists and crossing your arms before you. “I’ll show you what real power is!”
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>>4098817
“Give me your all.” Jiren says stoically, you smirking. If he wants your full power, he’ll have to earn it. But as you are now you don’t stand a chance, you need to use much more of your strength. So you focus, reaching deep into your well of power and pulling out almost everything you’ve got. You unleash every ounce of your non-divine ki, saving that for last. You may need it, but best not to use it carelessly.

“GRRRRYAAAAAAAAAAA!!!” you roar, feeling your hair growing wildly as your ki surges. You could simply explode right up into the form, but that burns a bit of your power. And against this titan, you’ll need everything you’ve got. “RRRAAAAAAAAAAA!!!”

The entire arena shakes and trembles as you unveil your power, your strength completely overshadowing everyone else’s besides Jiren. Faintly you hear the other gods shouting in surprise, and even Zeno’s high-pitched voice. But they’re irrelevant to you now; all that matters is you, your power, and your foe. With a final scream your transformation finishes, you standing a solid head or two taller than your foe.

“I hope you’re ready, Jiren.” you say, your voice much lower and rougher than in your other forms. “I’ll show you what I can really do!”
“Bring it.” comes the stoic fighter’s reply, you both in a standoff. The entire arena goes quiet, every contestant watching to see what happens next.
“GRRRYAAAAAA!!” you roar, launching yourself at Jiren and swinging with a hard right. He crosses his arms to block, your punch connecting and sending him flying backwards. Jiren flips, landing on his feet just as you reach him. But as you swing with your left fist this time he blocks with his right forearm, counterpunching with his own left jab. Your block is identical to his, but since you’re in the air the shockwaves blast you back. You flip backwards one, two, thee times before you manage to reorient yourself, just in time to see Jiren coming for a follow-up right jab. With no time for anything else you again cross your arms, his fist smashing into your guard and sending you flying again.

“Dammit, he’s tough.” you think to yourself, feeling his ki move around behind you. Spinning clockwise you swing your right arm, forearm smashing into Jiren’s. The impacts cancel each other out, leaving you both suspended face-to-face in midair.
“Not bad.” you say with a smirk, you both shoving off each other. You backflip several times, landing on your feet and taking your stance as Jiren lands, unguarded stance as confident as ever. “That’s the hardest I’ve been hit since I fought Lord Beerus.”
“If this is all you’ve got, jump off now.” Jiren says, your eye twitching at his arrogance and how calmly he says it. “Only suffering awaits you in this ring.”
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>>4098819
“Such arrogance.” you say in your grandfatherly way, rolling your right shoulder and popping it several times as you also pop your neck. “You haven’t even landed a single blow, yet think you’re somehow the winner.”
“I have already measured your power to my own.” Jiren says, his strength surging even higher than your own. “You can’t win.”
“Oh, I can’t?” you say, smirking at him. “If you want to get thrown off this stage that badly, I guess I can skip the warm-up. I hope you’re ready, Jiren; for strength beyond strength!”

“Hrmm?” he asks, this actually getting a rise out of him. You see the surprise in his face, what you said really seemed to rattle him. You cross your arms before your body, focusing your full Berserker 3 power on smashing through that final barrier deep within yourself. You feel the spark of divine ki inside you begin to swell in anticipation, it ready to once more be unleashed.
“Whis, what is he doing?!” you hear Beerus shouting, before turning him out as well. You take all of your rage, focusing it inward and crushing it against that internal wall, both shattering. A wave of serenity washes over you, the divine power fully merging with your own and infusing your entire body. The arena beneath and around you shatters from the pressure, and as you open your eyes you see uncertainty in Jiren’s eyes.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=jVbFTiEOaGE

“What is this?” he asks you. “What did you do?”
“This is true power, Jiren.” you say, a gentle green aura beginning to radiate out from you as you start walking forward. “You may be strong, but you can’t beat me. Not anymore.”
“Silence!” he roars, dashing and swinging for your head with his right fist. You don’t block, instead taking a half-step back and dodging his strike. But in the same move you swing with your left fist, smashing into the right side of Jiren’s head before he can react. Your blow staggers the powerful fighter, but he doesn’t fall. He slides to a stop, twisting and swinging again for you with his left fist. With ease you deflect his strike up with your left forearm, and smashing your right fist square into his gut. “GUHYAA!”

“WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?!” Belmond, Universe 11’s Destroyer shouts out angrily as his champion is sent flying. You hear the other gods all shouting at each other, but you only have eyes for your foe. As you watch he flips backwards, gathering an intensely-powerful ball of ki over his head.
“RRRAAAAA!!” he bellows, tossing the attack down right at you. If that hits the arena, it’ll be destroyed completely. You can’t dodge, you’ll have to stop this before it hits.
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>>4098823
Planting your feet firmly on the arena’s floor, you lift both arms up as you brace for impact. His compact blast streaks right towards you, you reaching out and catching the intense attack.

“Tch!” you exhale, letting your arms absorb the impact. You allow the blast to get close to your chest, burning the energy with your arms instead of transferring it into the arena floor. Had you not, it would have smashed you straight down through it and sent you right out-of-bounds. Instead you slide back a dozen or so feet before stopping, holding the powerful attack in both hands. You pull Jiren’s attack back in one hand, tossing it with your entire upper body’s strength and sending it right back. But he manages to deflect it, the blast sent careening far off into the endless void as he lands back to the arena with a powerful impact. “Not bad Jiren.”

“It seems there is something to this strength of yours after all.” he replies, you watching as he clenches his fists. You feel his strength surging higher and higher, and for the first time you see his aura engulfing him. The entire world of void trembles, you taking your fighting stance as his strength continues to rise. “It looks like I’ll have to take you seriously.”

-Saiyan Conqueror Quest Potential Future Special III End-
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huh so we can become a berserk god but the normal ritual is inadequate so it unlock berserk 3 which we can then use to brute force the ritual by ourselves neat
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Oh? So that Karn got Berserker God before he got Berserker Primal eh?

I wonder how they compare? Espessially Apex Berserker Vs Berserker God.
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>>4098864
i wonder what skot/trunks and the rest of the time patrol think about a hypothetical Apex Berserker God Karn?
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>>4098823
>A wave of serenity washes over you
yo wait hold up if the mortal Berserk lines natural state is raging berserks than is the God Berserk tranquil fury?
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>>4098828
Jiren is lucky that Karn isn’t trying to stack Wrath on top of this.
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>>4098889
If he did I'm pretty sure the only individual person who could stop him is The Grand Priest or Zeno.
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>>4098859
If you want to simplify the process, yes. Although I will say Berserk 3 doesn’t necessarily NEED the God ritual to unlock, that is by far the easiest method.
>>4098864
Berserker God is superior to Blue.
>>4098874
>Apex God
Unfortunately the two cannot stack. Different evolution paths.
>>4098879
Unlocking it is similar to unlocking Super Saiyan Blue, but not exactly identical.
>>4098889
Wrath is incompatible with the God form. Wrath is kind of the opposite of it.
>>4098894
If they could, it would take Unleashed SKoT+ to stop you.
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I just realized something, We probably have the best odds out of anybody to win the ToP.
We've got several divine level fighters, a big man who can actually stand up to Jiren, and a healer who can actually defend themselves.
We're like one of the few universes who's actually got experience with massive team battles as well.
If we get a temporary enchantment to dull the edge of our greatsword, could we potentially bring it too?
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>>4098914
>Berserker God is superior to Blue.
Good to know but I'm just trying to figure out which is better.

I'm still going to go with Primal Berserker rather then God, because I like The Pure Mortal Swole path, but I wondering how they compare.
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>>4098914
Remind me again what the mastery requirements for Berserk are again?
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>>4098949
We have to dedicate extensive time to it IC. Spending months in our berserker forms at a time in order to fully master them.
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>>4098941
It took you this long to tell? Ever since before Super ended anyone could tell most universes were full of jobbers.
>>4098947
Well, apparently Apex Chaya can totally style on Blue Kaioken Ace so I would put my money on the monkey path.
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>>4098702
>They may actually have prepared for your return.
>Implying they can prepare for giant green murder ape dick smacking them harder than the fist of a god
Nice joke.
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before i forget how did this chaya lose her arm?
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>>4098806
>your daughter pointing her mechanical right hand at her younger brother.
WHAT?!
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>>4099140
Bet it was from a certain Elite.
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>>4098810
>Despite being years younger than your eldest Chaya, Caulifla grew up tall like yourself. She stands nearly at eye level with you, towering over even most of the other Saiyans.
Oh, so our healing angel is going to be fucking huge? Neat.
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>>4099147
No, no Chilli is the Neet.
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>>4099150
Well, yeah, but he has a very dangerous harem of Boom Witches and Ara Ara milfs in his house while he studies like a nerd. So not a total NEET
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>>4098828
Fucker is real lucky we can't just kill him. We wouldn't be doing the Goku and giving him a second chance after showing how stupid he is letting us reach full strength.
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>>4098941
I think weapons that aren't natural aren't allowed at all, the cyber universe aside, I think. Or we can, but we can't kill.
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>>4099145
....we will teach her our greatest techniques, and have Meloka teach her the true art of Shank Fu.
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>>4098823
>What is this?” he asks you. “What did you do?”
>“This is true power, Jiren.” you say, a gentle green aura beginning to radiate out from you as you start walking forward. “You may be strong, but you can’t beat me. Not anymore.”

At this point both SKoT and Trunks shit themselves in fear since Karn's about to make JIREN look like a total bottom bitch, without ultra instinct.
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>>4098941
>We probably have the best odds out of anybody to win the ToP
Depending on how it goes, yes.
>If we get a temporary enchantment to dull the edge of our greatsword, could we potentially bring it too?
No weapons.
>>4098947
>which is superior
Now that’s no fun.
>>4098949
The same as regular Super Saiyan, being able to maintain the form indefinitely. If you want mastery, at the point you’re at now, it would be around 6-8 months training.
>>4099114
I said they prepared, didn’t say how effective such preparations would be.
>>4099140
That would be spoiling
>>4099147
She’s a big girl.
>>4099156
That’s why no killing is a rule, this is a show for Zeno.
>>4099282
To achieve that form you’d have to spend years training with Whis, much as Goku and Vegeta did to unlock Blue. And while Berserk God is a divine form, it is your own power. Not the powers of others.
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>>4099324
>If you want mastery, at the point you’re at now, it would be around 6-8 months training.
Could we do advanced energy control training with Meloka at the same time?
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>>4098828
Y’know, I kinda wanna see these potential futures as their own individual timelines that we could visit or could visit us.

If our Towa could steal the scrolls for them and a few of Toki Toki’s Eggs, I’m sure she could jury rig a way to make them real given time to study. Of course stealing from Chronoa is easier said than done, but still.
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>>4099324
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To achieve that form you’d have to spend years training with Whis, much as Goku and Vegeta did to unlock Blue. And while Berserk God is a divine form, it is your own power. Not the powers of others.
i like that alot, the fact karns brand of divinity is actually earned via blood sweat and tears, not handed to him on a silver platter. in other news i got a question, if we achieved berserker 3 on our own accord someday, could we still reach berserker god that way, i'm just curious whether the divine ritual would be an actual factor of reaching berserker god or if the nature of berserk is potentially divine in its own right.
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>>4099324
>Now that’s no fun.
I consider it entirely fun finding out which is stronger. Berserker God or the Pure Mortal Swoleness that is Primal/Apex Berserker. Like this isn't just some thinly veiled attempt at power gaming. I'm honestly deeply interested in finding out if through purely mortal means we can surpass the strength that is Berserker Godhood.
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Saiyan Conqueror Quest 119 will begin in around 24 hours, hope to see everyone then!

>>4099328
Potentially.
>>4099332
Maybe once the Time Patrol quits going on the warpath.
>>4099336
Yes. Berserker 3 is actually achievable without the ritual, but that is the fastest way to get it.
>>4099431
>Like this isn't just some thinly veiled attempt at power gaming
Sure.
>I'm honestly deeply interested in finding out if through purely mortal means we can surpass the strength that is Berserker Godhood.
Berserker God can only be achieved by a mortal who’s truly conquered the Berserk power.
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>>4099483
>Sure.
Let me dissuade this notion of his powergaming.

He's actually a closet furry and wants an excuse
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Also, I have a deep deep need, in seeing Primal/Apex Berserker Karn Vs Berserker God/Berserker God Bigger and Green Karn or whatever its possible Blue version is called.
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>>4099561
Ha.
>>4099603
It may be possible. Especially if Karn is captured by an enemy Towa in the late game. Also
>implying there’s a form beyond Berserk God
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>>4099898
>implying there’s a form beyond Berserk God
Is there any transformation that stacks with Berserk God?
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>>4099898
>implying there’s a form beyond Berserk God
>Implying we won't break reality to make one so we can strangle Pink Bitch.
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>>4099907
Potentially Kaio-Ken, but that would take monumental amounts of work. Berserk God the end of that transformation path, as Apex is the end of the Primal line.
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>>4099920
>Potentially Kaio-Ken, but that would take monumental amounts of work
Making a note of that,
And on that topic, what about Ultimate?
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>>4099898
>>implying there’s a form beyond Berserk God
Most people didn't think there was a form beyond SSG when it first came out either. Your the only one that knows for sure what the Berserker Trees are. We can only guess whats possible or not.

>>4099920
Also good to know.
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>>4099920
That's a nice looking limit you got there, shame if something were to happen to it.
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>>4099919
Everything has it’s limits. Especially transformations.
>>4099931
>Ultimate
Doesn’t mix with the divine or Primal forms.
>>4099943
I may have been in the minority there. I knew it wasn’t going to stop with a form that resembled his base.
>>4099945
Ha.
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>>4099951
>I may have been in the minority there. I knew it wasn’t going to stop with a form that resembled his base.
I am surprised anyone though Goku wouldn't get more forms, especially with how shit Super is, that is the only thing to make vapid idiots excited.
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>>4099898
I mean, regular Saiyan God has blue...
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>>4099974
Blue just seems to be God stacked on Super Saiyan.
I assume Berserk God is God stacked on Berserk.
This is the problem with these clunky ass naming conventions, it all wraps around to retarded after a certain point.
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>>4099603
From what I can tell apex is stronger by a fair bit however it will make SKoT lose her shit since she can't deal with it and we may end up in an all out war with the time patrol, which would be genuinely shit for trying to keep our timeline around.
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>>4099951
>Everything has it’s limits. Especially transformations.
Unless you scream. Like. A LOT. Like further beyond AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

You feel me?
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>>4099956
I meant pre-Super, when Battle of Gods first dropped.
>>4099974
It do.
>>4099985
Blue is the equivalent of going Super Saiyan while a God, which is why the old (SSGSS) name came about. Berserk God, however, isn’t the same.
>>4100002
>From what I can tell
But you haven’t even seen it in action yet.
>>4100096
Even the Saiyans, who have the MOST transformations of any race in Universe 7, can only transform so many different ways.
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>>4100109
>I meant pre-Super, when Battle of Gods first dropped.
And? The second it was a major success, Goku had pallet swaps prepared on the day of, and nobody thought they didn't. Except morons.
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>>4100109
So what colour does Karn black use? Super sayain Verde?
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>>4100125
I’m more disappointed the original God design was never used, at all.
>>4100147
That depends. Which timeline is that Karn Black from?
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>>4100164
>I’m more disappointed the original God design was never used, at all.
I mean, Vegeta uses it, a few times. But yeah gotta get that Blue, isn't that coooool bro?
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>>4100164
I like how the only thing Goku and Vegeta ever did with their divine ki was use it to hit stuff harder.
There's got to be more to it than that, right?
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>>4100206
Meloka uses it so her womb could get godly babies, but that's the Broodmother Goddess of Saiyan's for ya. But in defense of Dumb and Dumber, her next thought was she could make some really sharp ki shivs with it, and laser parties, lots of laser parties.
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>>4100184
I meant the original concept that was never used, that Toriyama scrapped for his usual “less is more” approach.
>>4100206
They really didn’t try and experiment with what a divine being could do. Except in the manga, where Goku uses Hakai on Zamasu.
>>4100218
Ha. But the divine energy of a Saiyan is subtly different than that of a Kai or Destroyer.
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>>4100280
>I meant the original concept that was never used, that Toriyama scrapped for his usual “less is more” approach.
Oh you mean the one that had a cape and a hairstyle between Super Saiyan 3 and 4?
I'm gonna assume it looked like shit because Yamamuro drew it.
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>>4100280
>But the divine energy of a Saiyan is subtly different than that of a Kai or Destroyer.
That's the raw drive a woman eager to breed with her life mate, which is technically, a divine mandate looks like. Her ability to turn up her mom powers is simply tangential, and only because she is so good at her goddessly duties that she gained quad experience.
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>>4100280
So if we could potentially mimic the Destroyer Gods with divine Ki, could we also imitate the Kaioshin?
I'm talking like summoning objects from thin air, using Kai-Kai, enchanting, transferring lifeforce directly, etc...
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>>4100147
Anon Karn is already Verde. Black would clearly go violette. Yes violette and not violet because Zamasu is a fag.
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>>4100382
It doesn't much matter as it's kind of a foregone conclusion as to how the encounter is gonna go.
>we beat the shit out of Karn Black when he's stuck in base form
>he goes back to the future and unlocks Legendary
>Karn tails his ass for round 2
>Over the course of the fight Karn pops Berserker to gauge him
>Karn Black also pops Berserker, much to Karn's surprise
>proceeds to lose all control as he has no experience handling that form
>we proceed to handle him like a rabid dog
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>>4100395
>be me, Karn Black
>get thrashed by another Karn due to underestimating him and barely escape
>idea.gif
>learn to unlock those childish super saiyan forms
>midway through figuring out the first step a gigantic green-coated hand rips through the fabric of space-time
>mfw
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>>4100395
>"HA, YOU PATHETIC MORTAL, WATCH AS I USE YOUR POWER AG-GGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH"
"Yep, that is what I was afraid of, my son Broly had more control as a child than you...wait, aren't you technically a kid too in god years?"
>ARRRRRRGGGGGGGH, swings wildly as Karn philosophizes on how young this tard swinger is, dodging just enough that he barely uses any effort.
"Huh, I guess that does make sense about why your a fucking idiot, oh well, guess I gotta kick your ass then, see you when you wake up, I WILL have Ginyu swap your body back though, and I am letting him keep it."
>>4100416
And think about it, no Dragonball's means he doesn't just turn into intelligent space dust. And I doubt he would waste time looking up our original Super Saiyan Forms when the Big Green is superior. King Vegeta not withstanding.
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>>4100420
>And I doubt he would waste time looking up our original Super Saiyan Forms when the Big Green is superior.
He 100% wouldn't understand anything since he already just treats it as a palette swap and would try to figure out the normal way. He's kind of a turboretard when it comes to mortal affairs. Specifically the notion that any of them matter because he's a god.
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>>4100420
>I WILL have Ginyu swap your body back though, and I am letting him keep it.
AW FUCK WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT
WE'RE FUCKING DOING THAT NOW!
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>>4100420
>"Huh, I guess that does make sense about why your a fucking idiot, oh well, guess I gotta kick your ass then, see you when you wake up, I WILL have Ginyu swap your body back though, and I am letting him keep it.
oh god, ginyu running around as a karn clone sounds hilarious as all hell.
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>>4100425
Well yeah, but that makes it all the sweater when this happens
>"HA, YOU PATHETIC MORTAL, WATCH AS I USE YOUR POWER AG-GGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH"
>"Yep, that is what I was afraid of, my son Broly had more control as a child than you...wait, aren't you technically a kid too in god years?"
>ARRRRRRGGGGGGGH, swings wildly as Karn philosophizes on how young this tard swinger is, dodging just enough that he barely uses any effort.
>"Huh, I guess that does make sense about why you're a fucking idiot, oh well, guess I gotta kick your ass then, see you when you wake up, I WILL have Ginyu swap your body back though, and I am letting him keep it."
And we put him in the body of a random Grunt. After beating his tard strength ass into a coma.
>>4100433
It would be a PR stint that Vox would be both recording setting erect at, and worried down to the deepest pits of his money grubbing jew fish essence, as our face is technically a legal trademark, and Ginyu is fucking with the brand name. BUT, we could give a Rabid Meloka her own Karn if we fix it up and replace the soul.
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>>4100435
Wait this is a good thing for Vox.
This mean Karn will technically be free to shoot for films and commercials.
We just need to teach Ginyu how to head pat and swing around a greatsword.
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>as a result of our timelines zamasu fuckery there are now goku blacks and karn blacks running around.
>karn blacks are easily dealt with in karn timelines cause ginyu, but are absolutely God awful literally every time patrol timeline since at its core, karn black would ultimately have a far higher multiplier based off berserk SSJ then basic SSJ.
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>>4100967
And saved
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>>4100967
>>4100992
And now we have Future Guldo after our training regimen. BONZAI! BONZAI!
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>>4100999
No that's just what he looks like now. He's long since dropped all that fat in our timeline. He's almost at a powerlevel of a million now too.
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>>4101011
Our little Senzu bean grew so much...okay, maybe not, but he got buff, and that's close enough.
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Episode 119 is here! >>4101058



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