Without so much as a twitch, Arturia coolly replies, "Being a coward, and unable to pose a threat to me in direct combat, Alberich turned to underhanded methods. He laid a trap for me, hiding in a tiny room which he filled with his arcane limbs. Taking advantage of the shock I would feel due to my past experience facing Avenger, upon whose limbs he doubtless modeled his own magic, he succeeded in immobilizing me, rendering me unconscious, and bringing me to this house, where I have been kept a prisoner for the past several days."

"He~h?" Liliesviel smirks at Arturia's story, then turns back to you. Interestingly, she doesn't seem to feel the same vehement anger at Arturia's insolence that her own maids' former manner towards you prompted. Perhaps the girl feels it's your duty to keep your own servants in line. "You really like to use that magic, huh, Alberich? You beat Berserker by tying him up, too. Rather than Saber, maybe your Master should be calling you 'Captor-san'."

"My elementalism does have a great deal of utility," you say, defending yourself calmly. By now you're used enough to Arturia's constant insults that even in this circumstance you can save your anger for a more opportune moment. "I'll remind you that we might have been killed by Assassin without it. In any case, there's only so much one can do with a blade. Berserker had astounding regenerative capabilities, while Arturia was a Servant I particularly hoped to capture alive; you'll recall that she and her Master were responsible for the death of my first Master, Ayaka's elder brother. I wanted to give my Master the chance to face her enemy, and as it happened was able to gain an additional benefit."

"Doubtless your motives were wholly unrelated to the fact that I left you on the ground, helpless and with the point of my sword at your throat, the first time we did battle," Arturia interjects sarcastically, "Master."

Now your smile is becoming a bit strained, although the fact that you're not actually facing Arturia helps. "I'd developed my powers significantly by the time of our second battle," you point out, lacing your tone with a hint of menace. "If we were to have a rematch, armed only with swords; putting aside your trick of invisibility as well as my magical techniques, I believe you would find yourself losing your confidence."

Arturia scoffs under her breath, but gives no further reply, while Liliesviel claps her hands together with a smile and air of finality. "Well!" she says brightly, "I think I understand the situation between you two quite well now! Thank you so much for bringing another Servant over to our side, Alberich; I'm sure she'll be very useful. The reason I was looking for you was to talk about our plans for the night, though."

"Indeed," you reply, nodding. "What did Odin have to say about our enemy's location? Did he have any other new information?"

"To begin with, he didn't have any trouble finding this witch's base. Apparently she's built some kind of temple underground, below a little suburban house." Liliesviel wrinkles her nose at the thought, apparently put off by some detail of Odin's report. "Anyway, we can go and attack her whenever we like now he's found her. There were other details that seemed strange, though," she adds pensively.

"Oh?" You raise an eyebrow. "And who might those be?"

"More Servants that shouldn't be here, as well as a Master," Liliesviel says, eying you with that same worried expression she bore during your return trip to the manor. "At least one, anyway. Besides that Caster he calls 'the Olympian girl', Otto said there was a human magus and another young girl with the energy of a Servant, but not one he recognized and from a different time period. There are also a lot of things that he said were similar to Servants, but of inferior quality. They sound like the early experiments we did into turning Heroic Spirits into familiars to me."

Now affectionate concern gives way to an angry pout, and the girl stamps a dainty foot as she continues, "That man must be trying to use his Caster to summon even more Servants, with no connection to the Holy Grail; stealing our family's magic! If he manages to bring a real understanding of Servant creation outside our family, it would be even more awful than the imitation Lesser Grail fifteen years ago!"

Her expression shifts again, to a predatory smile of anticipation. "Alberich," she says, in a voice of such sweet affection that it sends a shiver down your spine, "let's kill that man together, okay? I can make sure he'll stay conscious no matter how much it hurts, or how much of him gets destroyed, until we crush his head, so we can really make sure he understands what he's done. Okay?"

"What a remarkable ability," you reply, grinning at the new vistas of torment the notion opens for you to visit on Yumigawa; for that is the only possible identity of the human magus Odin found in Circe's lair. "I'm not the only one of us with a surprise to offer today, I see! Here, now." Reaching out, you pull Liliesviel up into your arms so the two 'siblings' can exchange an excited embrace despite your height difference. "We'll be certain to have our revenge on that fellow at our leisure," you croon into her ear, "for sending his Servant after your life, attempting to sabotage the Heaven's Feel... for all that he's done."

With Liliesviel again assured of your sortie's positive outcome and happy in your arms, you now turn your mind to how to secure that outcome. Regardless of what it may entail about Circe and Yumigawa's magical pursuits, the confirmation of Adelheid's survival and mysterious presence of these semi-Servant entities are significant strategic factors affecting the success of your plan of attack. As for what Adelheid's survival might tell you about her loyalty, you push the unpleasant thought from your mind. There will be time enough to consider it later.

>[ ] There's no need for further considerations. Explain the plan as discussed with Ayaka and Kōrakuhime to Liliesviel. (Pride)

>[ ] Perhaps you should reconsider some details before explaining your intentions to Liliesviel. (Write in altered plan.) (Self-Preservation)

>[ ] Do something else (Write in)

>>3966638
>[ ] Perhaps you should reconsider some details before explaining your intentions to Liliesviel. (Same plan as before, but have Saber at the ready to destroy Yumigawa's house and the temple underneath with Excalibur Morgan as soon as we give the order. Which will hopefully be when Circe, Adelheid and Yumigawa come to confront the wounded Alberich. As a back-up plan, have her readied to Excalibur Morgan close to our own position on our order. This is only should they attempt to swarm us with Shadow Servants though, in which case we will activate Kenotis and dodge the direct strike to survive the Excaliblast, but this is only if the Shadow Servants do overwhelm us) (Self-Preservation)

Damn it Alberich, please, Circe AND Adelheid are unaware that you are anything but the amnesiac shell of Akeldama Rushorou.
Anyway, Adelheid and some Shadow Servants hmm?
That would explain why the Leylines are being totally fucked.

Circe's plan was creating additional Servants all along.

Also, I'm glad Lily wants to slaughter Yumigawa to the same degree that Illya wanted to kill Shirou at the start of Stay Night.
Ironic.

>>3966635
>Besides that Caster he calls 'the Olympian girl', Otto said there was a human magus and another young girl with the energy of a Servant, but not one he recognized and from a different time period. There are also a lot of things that he said were similar to Servants, but of inferior quality.
>a human magus
Has Circe been giving RushBOI upgrades since we've been gone?
>a lot of things that he said were similar to Servants, but of inferior quality
Hmm, now that they have more flexible options for force deployments we may need to reconsider. Or maybe there guys are just shadow servants that aren't much tougher than generic mob summons? Should ask Odin about that.

>>3966638
>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
Tell Lily what we came up with but now that we are aware of these new developments we'd like to call a "team meeting" to make a few adjustments to work out any kinks in our approach.

I don't have time to type up a new plan right now, hopefully the next update won't come for a bit and we'll have time to plan (never thought I'd ask Sweets to NOT post an update, kek). I'll add a response to this when I get around to it.

>>3966682
We don't actually know what Rushorou's original circuit count was.
I mean, he almost certainly has a very limited amount if he had anything.
Less than Shirou and even more atrophied, most likely.
You could really call Shinji a Magus anyway, if you wanted to.
He also technically stole our knowledge of magic from Akeldama too, limited it may have been.

I just want them to come out to confront us and get hit by a "Checkumatu." when we completely stop pretending to be injured as a roaring black and red beam of light obliterates Circe's temple and also Yumigawa's parents.
Rest in Peace, "Okaa-san" and "Otou-san".

Imagine the look on their three faces if that worked. Alberich will just be peak smug as Yumigawa probably quickly comes to terms with how fucked they are.

Nobody in this war knows what Excalibur can actually do except the Emiyas and us. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!

>>3966638
>[X] Perhaps you should reconsider some details before explaining your intentions to Liliesviel. (Self-Preservation)
What >>3966673 suggested, but also make it painfully clear that the two Servants are not to destroyed. If asked why then say it's to do the same we did to Saber Alter.

>>3966638
>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
What >>3966682 said.
Before we start, we should have Odin guard against scrying. We don't want Circe snooping on us.

>>3966738
We could probably sell that idea to Lily.
The Caster that tried her very hardest to kill her brought down to nothing but a serving girl.
She might just approve of such a thing.

But yes, no evaporating the two original waifus unless we specifically order it in the case of their absolute betrayal.

Also, do we have a mental link with Saber Alter, allowing for communication, Sweets?
It's something we kind of need to know for the battle.

>>3966682
>>3966744
>Wanting to further delay the battle with another team meeting where the plan will likely remain mostly the same anyway
Oh my god I am going to fucking die.
Please no.

>>3966746
>But yes, no evaporating the two original waifus unless we specifically order it in the case of their absolute betrayal.
No, if they betray us then there's only two options. Reverting them back to a state before the split so they're unaware of Yumigawa- or murder.

>>3966754
We only reverted Saber's body, her memories are all intact.
But no, if they remain steadfast in their betrayal, they will just have to die.

>>3966761
Purple ID is that you? You share the same energy.

>>3966772
It might be.
Regardless, these Shadow Servants are an inconvenience, but only if we mounted a direct assault on Circe's temple.
Once again, drawing our enemies out to face us is our best bet.

I doubt she would try to transfer to us with any of them instead of just Circe and Yumigawa.
Especially with us already appearing weakened and wounded.
It's a perfect opportunity on first glance.

And if Yumigawa stays inside of the temple?
lol
BYE BITCH.
Imagine the despair on Circe and Adelheid's faces if that occured.
It would be great.

>>3966780
At least the shadow servants will keep the other occupied if they start feeling ansty.

>>3966780
Though I honestly doubt that Yumigawa would pass up the chance to gloat at us.

Like, it's something that would be in character for him.
Unless all of our plans are being watched, but there's really no reason for Circe to be scrying us at all unless Yumigawa blabbed.
And Yumigawa can't really say anything without raising questions from Circe.
Namely, the big question of "Why the fuck am I bothering with you at all if there's literally a superior version of you in every way out there?"

Also, him going to school somewhat indicates that he doesn't expect foul play from us.
Especially not something along the lines of "Blow up his entire house and the 60 or so houses behind it and kill our own parents."
What the fuck does this idiot think he's doing?

Maybe he's counting on us not wanting to kill "our" parents?
The two people the original Yumigawa's mind had any feelings for at all before the Akeldama.
Who knows?

>>3966785
>the other
did you mean Odin
What?

Anyway, Odin might like the scheme and be willing to follow along just for the fun of it. It's has a certain je ne sais quoi to it, does it not?
It's the basic sort of scheme you might see in a heroic legend. Norse myth has a lot of deception within it.
And hey, we gotta develop a Tactics skill some time.

>>3966793
Yumigawa is an inferior of not only us- but the person he was during the Inner Grail War.
He's gone from a leader to a subordinate, with only his cocky attitude in tact.

>>3966801
He's really become quite the pathetic worm, hasn't he?
Let's see just how he deals with what comes next.

>>3966800
>And hey, we gotta develop a Tactics skill some time.
If only we were Assassin we would have Knight's Tactics by default. Too bad, now we have to summon Deermud and kill him just for one skill.

>>3966808
Technically we're still developing as a Servant.
It's not impossible for skills like that to develop naturally. We did so with our magecraft skill.
It would be kind of sensible if Alberich did unlock some variant of Knight Tactics considering how tricky a fighter he is. It would also make him a nightmare to deal with in melee, even for somebody like Matsuda.

Speaking of, look at how many skills that asshole developed.
Fucking bullshit skill he has.
If we can't develop Knight Tactics on our own he's our next sacrifice. One hundred percent.

>>3966638
An update to >>3966682

>>3966744
>we should have Odin guard against scrying
Yes

>>3966748
To get the gang up to speed it should actually save time to do it once everyone's together. If there is any naysaying or disputes we'll iron all of them out at once. Plus there is more opportunity for funny character interactions when we have everyone together.
Your revised plan in >>3966673 sounds workable. However Odin's going to notice that he still has a lot of idle time after we spar.
Now the question is do we ask Odin to wait elsewhere on standby or seek out Harris/Emiya/someone else and keep himself busy fighting them? I'd like to send him after Harris just to the former could experience Harris' jobbing aura first-hand and get knocked down a peg or two. Or just win instantly and remove that obstacle, but there's no way that's happening (especially if the Harris=Odin conspiracy theory is true).

>>3966907
Honestly, you need to remember that this is still Odin and he has taken something of a personal interest in us.
He might be happy to watch us as we literally try to kill ourselves.
It sounds like the sort of thing that he might find interesting to watch, to be honest.

Do you really want to have Matsuda get absolutely dominated by Odin before we get our second meeting with our brother?
Because Harris would just get fucked.
Tsubaki is a retard fairly low tier caster with no combat experience.
Odin is a cheat servant with obviously excellent parameters and is a God of Magic as well as War. He has like, centuries of combat experience.
He's about as far from Tsubaki as you can get.
Harris and Matsuda are fucked against him.

Odin doesn't really care for personal combat anyway, he seems fairly content to just watch our progress, otherwise he would've already won the entire war in a night or two.
He's very...
whimsical, I suppose.

>>3966928
I guess having him wait on standby as the default will work, but if he gives us a lot of guff we'll probably need to try something else. I get the impression he's not the type to follow orders from an inexperienced upstart and will try something nefarious given the chance. Even with Lily supervising him, we don't know how much influence she actually has when it comes to keeping him on a leash when he wants to cause trouble.
>He might be happy to watch us as we literally try to kill ourselves.
Or he might want to watch us squirm as he puts on the "laid-back, helpful ojii-san" persona and proceeds to Gungnir one of our waifus in the midst of battle.
To plan out our tactics, we should also ask him exactly how many shadow-servants Circe's summoned so far. If they supplement over a dozen shadow-servants with hordes of trash-mobs Circe and Adelheid might not even feel the need to press the attack themselves when we're "wounded".

Tangentially related, how are we going to find Futodoki? We don't have a telepathic link do we? Hopefully he's just lounging about the house. When Sweets said his headcanon voice-actor was the same guy as Aizen, it got me thinking that we may have been seriously underselling his skills regarding the illusions.

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>>3966954
Since when did you fall under the illusion that the true villain of Arc 2 and 3 wasn't Gachacat? Their true identity was actually Beast V this entire time!

>I get the impression he's not the type to follow orders from an inexperienced upstart and will try something nefarious given the chance.
You just don't know with Gods.
It really does depend on what his plan is.
They do tend to be of the the "let's just see what happens, mortals amirite?" persuasion though.

>Gungnir one of our waifus in the midst of battle.
Literally just leads to us immediately trying to murder him and the end of his fun or Alberich not really giving a fuck depending on how things go.

What would be more interesting for a God, which basically all love tormenting things?
Causing a hero to do nothing but attempt to murder him for the rest of the war, which is going to happen anyway, or watching that same hero struggle to keep the consequences of his own actions from destroying him as the multiple women that love him try to claim him for themselves.

>To plan out our tactics, we should also ask him exactly how many shadow-servants Circe's summoned so far. If they supplement over a dozen shadow-servants with hordes of trash-mobs Circe and Adelheid might not even feel the need to press the attack themselves when we're "wounded".
I don't know if Circe could bring herself to not deal with us personally, nor Adelheid, actually. Yumigawa himself certainly wouldn't pass up the opportunity to gloat at his fallen copy and claim that the time he will take us back is at hand or something.
It's what we'd probably end up doing if we bought the bait.

Again though, we can simply withdraw and have them all be destroyed by an Excaliblast.

>We don't have a telepathic link do we? Hopefully he's just lounging about the house
I mean, he shouldn't really be anywhere else.

>>3966957
Aargh.

Gods die when they're killed right? Won't Odin die when we kill him? Is he suicidal or something?
I ask because it occurred to me that we're going to get a lot of exp from his sacrifice.

>>3966980
>I don't know if Circe could bring herself to not deal with us personally, nor Adelheid, actually. Yumigawa himself certainly wouldn't pass up the opportunity to gloat at his fallen copy and claim that the time he will take us back is at hand or something.
Here's what I see potentially happening if they have enough troops on hand. They'll send a bunch of disposable guys to attack and test just how "wounded" we are after the sparring match with Odin, while some of those guys are tasked with capturing Ayaka to force our compliance (kind of what Odysseus bluffed was happening that one time). When that happens we have no choice but the spring the trap prematurely because we bit off more than we could chew, cluing them in on the resources we have at our disposal when it was supposed to take them by surprise when the ringleaders showed themselves. If Excalibur Morgan kills literally everyone in one shot that's kind of running counter to the goal we seemed to have of giving Circe and Adelheid a chance to pick the right side .

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>>3967040
That depends on if it's the actual real Odin or a copy of the original brought about through the Einzbern's messing about.
And yeah, Gilgamesh would conceivably have a weaker soul than Ol' Odin and Gil's soul is worth the same as like 5 normal Servants.

>>3967049
>Here's what I see potentially happening if they have enough troops on hand. They'll send a bunch of disposable guys to attack and test just how "wounded" we are after the sparring match with Odin
I mean, it's not really that likely.
If we consider these Shadow Servants are likely to be Circe's trump card, revealing her hand so early in the fight would be foolish of her.
Additionally, they reveal her plan to summon more Servants and would make her an enemy of the entire war.
>while some of those guys are tasked with capturing Ayaka to force our compliance
I mean, the idea was that we sent Ayaka, Tsubaki and now Seiba Alter off without us.

It really depends entirely on how well we can bait Yumigawa into falling for our trick. He's only cautious up until the point he's certain of his victory, at which point he kind of throws caution to the wind.
And we know him very well.
In fact, one could say we know him better than he knows himself!

>>3967040
It's not Odin himself, just a copy of him that was weakened to the point where the Grail could summon it.
>>3967049
Yes, that plan isn't viable anymore because they have a bunch of disposable minions.

>>3967074
>they have a bunch of disposable minions
Literally changes nothing.
Caster is Caster.
She literally fights mostly with disposable minions.
Why are we getting cold feet because of some spooky shadowy lads?

>>3967060
>If we consider these Shadow Servants are likely to be Circe's trump card
Remember, she has a "young girl with the energy of a Servant". That sounds a lot like Adelheid (also remember that Odin didn't recognize her and she was from a different time period -- has Adelheid diverged from Hitler enough to seem different to Odin?)

>>3967074
>Disposable minions
That's odd way of saying free exp and our only chance of taking out Odin.

>>3967060
>the idea was that we sent Ayaka, Tsubaki and now Seiba Alter off without us
Strange, for some reason I had the impression that Ayaka was supposed to be going with us initially. Hopefully her absence is a small enough clue that no one notices something's off.
>they reveal her plan to summon more Servants and would make her an enemy of the entire war
Reveal to whom? The person who's about to be captured and absorbed? Because if they were successful (which we assume they have every reason to believe that they would be given the information we're providing them) we wouldn't be in a position to spill the beans. Odin already knows now anyway, so they can't do anything about enemies whose surveillance capabilities are that potent.

>Gil's soul is worth the same as like 5 normal Servants
I've heard this before, where was it stated? Original source material or post FSN/HA/Zero? Sounds like one of those "oh my lightning dragon" retcons.

>>3967079
Because she can test us with those minions. We excel in one-on-one combat, not in fighting mobs of enemies, so we would have a tough time with them. We'd have to bring out Artoria to deal with them safely and that means revealing one of our trump cards.

>>3967082
Well yes, but an extra Berserker isn't at all as much of a trump card as throwing shadow servants around and literally revealing you are attempting to fuck up the entire grail war to all observers.

One could just be considered a previously unknown Servant.
The other is proof of you actually cheating.

>>3967092
>Hopefully her absence is a small enough clue that no one notices something's off.
It shouldn't really, Alberich has been going around alone with Liliesviel more often as of recently. IT can be assumed that Circe even scryed the amusement park date.
>Reveal to whom?
The man with a sleeve full of command spells that we foiled their assassination attempt on? Do you think it was a coincidence Circe tried to have Antaglio eliminated?
She considers him a potential threat.
>Where is this stated
Literally in Heaven's Feel when Sakura eats the stupid Jobber and he immediately fills the grail.

>>3967094
>We excel in one-on-one combat, not in fighting mobs of enemies
I mean, we've never fought mobs of enemies but we should cleave through them effortlessly with Heilig.
That's the beauty of our blade, trash mobs are hopelessly useless against us, and we won't be getting dodged by flimsy shadow servants any time soon.

>>3967092
>I've heard this before, where was it stated?
Questions about Arc. Gil has a big advantage against her in a fight because her "stronger and faster than you" bullshit doesn't account for his treasures. He has so much firepower in his vault that he's as strong as five Servants.

>>3967106
I mean, it was sort of said here but not really.
the "Strong as 5 Servants" isn't about the quality of his soul anyway.
It's about his fire power.

In Heavens Feel, the Grail is immediately full despite lacking quite a few Servants after Gil gets himself chomped.
Should've used anti-regen you fucking imbecile.

>>3967088
>free exp
While it would be nice if we could farm sacrifices from the shadow servants, the problem is we'd either need Ayaka to be within line-of-sight to make the sacrifices work, or capture each sacrifice and drag them away from the battlefield to her. The first option puts her in extreme danger, the second is kind of silly on its face in how ludicrously difficult it'd be while fighting multiple opponents.
>>3967103
>trash mobs are hopelessly useless against us, and we won't be getting dodged by flimsy shadow servants any time soon
The biggest issue is if we cleave through their probing attacks there's a good chance they notice our wounds aren't as severe as we let on, then realize we were trying to set them up. So to keep up the act we'd have to pull our punches against the minions and intentionally job to an extent until Rushorou gets so full of himself that he decides it's time to rub his victory in our faces.

>>3967128
>intentionally job
Oh good
We have Battle Continuation: A so we can get away with that as much as we want and still fight at peak performance when we need to.
As long as we avoid taking actual serious wounds that could hamper us.

>>3967132
Also, it really depends how much Circe can bear to see the face and body of the man she loves to be beaten despite clearly already being injured.

We need to trick her just as much as we need to trick Yumigawa.

Also, I kind of like the idea of them finally revealing themselves after we've taken a fair amount of injuries (that would be enough to cripple a normal Servant) before "Sike!" and getting back up at full strength.

God, don't you just love Conceptual Biology?

>>3967132
>we can get away with that as much as we want and still fight at peak performance when we need to
Maybe so, but if both Circe and Adelheid arrive simultaneously and none of our allies are near (as Odin would be on standby and the Alter battlegroup would be waiting elsewhere to blow the manor) we'd have to pray that we could talk-no-jutsu some discord into their ranks, because I don't see us (or more so Ayaka's mana) lasting long if Circe and Adelheid both take the gloves off and we have to blitz them and their adds.

>>3967153
I mean, that's when we have the Alter group blow up Circe's temple.
Whatever Circe might have planned, having her workshop be erased is probably going to slow it down.
Also, it would likely destroy whatever she's got that is allowing her to sustain all these Shadow Servants as well as throwing our enemies completely off guard.
Three Birds one stone.
And if they come alone without Rushorou, he gets killed in the blast anyway so Circe's plan is dead.

>>3967158
Getting her territory nuked should off-balance Circe pretty badly, true. Then we can blitz whoever's left the manor to capture us.

I should probably stop overthinking things this far ahead anyway. A new revelation could make it all moot.

Alright! I had to go out to do some night work right after posting this thread, but now I'm back to reply to you folks!

>>3966673
>Also, I'm glad Lily wants to slaughter Yumigawa to the same degree that Illya wanted to kill Shirou at the start of Stay Night.
I'm glad you appreciated that. I wasn't sure whether anyone would remember that particular Dead End.

>>3966746
>Also, do we have a mental link with Saber Alter, allowing for communication, Sweets?
Part of me wants to say "you need to test it out in the narrative," but really you should've been able to feel it by now. Not like you haven't had a Servant before. So, let's see...
...
Yes. You do have a mental link with Arturia.

>>3966754
>>3966761
To elaborate on this, the magic works by hijacking the process that allows Servants to regenerate from wounds by directly applying magical energy. If it were capable of rewinding memories, you'd be forgetting the fight every time you healed.

>>3966780
>Imagine the despair on Circe and Adelheid's faces if that occured.
Imagine the despair on Liliesviel's face when you let the maid wipe him out at a stroke instead of having fun with him.

>>3966801
>Yumigawa is an inferior of not only us- but the person he was during the Inner Grail War.
Remember, he was never actually that person.

>>3966800
>And hey, we gotta develop a Tactics skill some time.
Do you really need Mind's Eye (True) and Knight's Tactics?

>>3966954
>we may have been seriously underselling his skills regarding the illusions.
He did sneak into the temple of a Caster from the Age of Gods and eavesdrop for some time before being detected.

>>3967082
>has Adelheid diverged from Hitler enough to seem different to Odin?
No. In this timeline, Hitler was always a little blonde girl.
But seriously, Volksgemeinschaft made her into a whole new person. There's a reason her True Name is in quotation marks.

>>3967272
>I wasn't sure anyone would remember that particular dead end
How could I forget Dead End 1?
Or an Illya Dead End, for that matter?
She has the best dead ends.
>Yes. You do have a mental link with Arturia.
Nice. This vastly expands our capabilities.
>you'd be forgetting the fight every time you healed.
Jack?
>Imagine the despair on Liliesviel's face when you let the maid wipe him out at a stroke instead of having fun with him.
Pragmatism sometimes has to override pleasure. Sorry Lily. For the record, I want to torture him too. Not sure what Circe and Adelheid will make of that, really.
>Do you really need Mind's Eye (True) and Knight's Tactics?
Uh.
Diarmuid has both at Rank B though.
So yes.

I'm looking forward to the results of our plan.
I hope it works.
Absolutely destroying Yumigawa when he's trying to smug at us will be so priceless.

>>3967328
Honestly, the mental image of Excalibur Morgan reducing the city block behind him to dust as Yumigawa gives his victory speech because we're "badly" wounded and surrounded by Shadow Servants and he has Circe and Adelheid by his side.
>"And now, 'Alberich', I shall reclaim you, the power that was stolen from me shall be mine..."
>during his gloating a black and red blast of destruction causes Circe's temple and a huge line of Tokyo to cease to exist, the Shadow Servants losing their power source and dissolving around us
>"...once again?"

The destruction of Circe's temple would weaken her and Adelheid massively too, if that's the source of their power.
Perhaps we might once again soon be standing over Adelheid as she dies of Mana Deprivation.

If this plan works, Yumigawa is so fucked.
Now, I wonder if Adviser to Heroes is active?
Does she consider her false Master a "Hero"?
From how Odysseus mocked her plans and basically called her stupid, we can probably assume not.

It might even be the case that she thinks it's active when it actually isn't, maybe?
That would explain her rage towards Archer.

I hope Circe won't be too mad about us turning her gaudy golden mess of a temple into a site of archeological interest.

Some punishment is in order for her absolute and utter failure towards us however.
Especially that whole 'power reclamation' thing she seems to have filled that FUCKING fakers head with.
She really deserves worse than merely having her temple reduced to a crater. But we can't punish her too much if it's an honest mistake.

Hold on.
Lily called Yumigawa a Master, right?
Well, he might have taken our command spells after all.
Or he's taken the spells of one of the other Masters.
Or Odin just assumed he was a Master.
Or he's been given bootlegs by Circe.
Though it's not like it serves a purpose to make him a Master.
He's not exactly about to provide much mana for anyone.
Not unless he actually got our magic circuits and element and origin.
I'm calling bullshit if he does.

If he does though, I wonder if we could eat him for A or A+ Magical Energy by taking those additional circuits for our own.

>>3967408
Hopefully when we sacrifice him we'll receive his memories too- it's a small thing but its only two weeks worth of memories so there shouldn't be too much divergence.
I say this even though ten days is all it took to change Yumigawa into what he is now.

>>3967408
>He's not exactly about to provide much mana for anyone.
Lily referred to him as a magus, remember? Circe may have very well made circuits for him. If Shirou can do it temporarily then Circe can do it permanently. fun fact: according to her F/GO level 1 bond the wings are a costume but she put some circuits in them so whatever

>>3967416
Fuck his memories and the small novel of an interlude getting them would need.

>>3967417
>Circe can create permanent circuits
Now that's just nonsensical.
That would require her to be able to manipulate souls.
Shirou's "circuits" weren't circuits at all, just converted nerve cells.

>>3967422
He may have something like the Book of False Attendant though.
Fucking diet-Shinji asshole.

>>3967422
>Small novel of interlude
Good point- Fuck that.

>>3967422
>That would require her to be able to manipulate souls.
1. aog magic of ex-goddess i ain't gotta explain shit
2. Maybe she's just given him nerve circuits. All that's really needed is the ability to channel magical energy and with her bullshit magic she could probably make really good nerve circuits.
3. Maybe she just hunted spellcasters around the city and transplanted their circuits onto Yumigawa? That's the easiest solution and it would keep Adelheid anchored, letting her hog more energy.

>>3967436
All these "make Yumigawa circuits" plans would be a huge waste of her time considering her end goal is supercharging him and making Servants.

I can see her getting him some command spells but giving him inferior magic circuits makes no sense

If she could just grant people circuits she would've brought it up to us in Akeldama.
Adelheid is 99 percent hooked to the Leylines anyway.

>>3967442
Well, how else would you account for Odin identifying him as a magus?

>>3967450
Command Spells?
Shit tier circuits?
Book of False Attendant?
Mystic Codes?
All far more likely than Circe straight up doing something that shouldn't be possible.

>>3967460
>Command Spells?
>Book of False Attendant?
Now, if Odin identified him as a MASTER then you would be completely right.
>Shit tier circuits?
Possibly.
>Mystic Codes?
Now, what kind of Mystic Code would let him channel magical energy? Circe can make it. Why would she, though, when Yumigawa has no personal use for them?
>All far more likely than Circe straight up doing something that shouldn't be possible.
Hey, transplants are still an option.

>>3967466
>transplants are an option
Maybe a bootlegged magic crest.
Not circuits though.
>what kind of mystic code allows channeling energy?
Take a fucking good long look at our maid.

Book of False attendant let Shinji do some shitty magic too.

>>3967474
>Not circuits though.
A line from the Tsukihime dictionary:
>They are considered to be a sort of internal organ, that will never increase or decrease in number. Of course, extracting and transplanting them is technically possible, but just like implanting an extra organ into a human body it should go without saying what will happen if you try it.
Now, who do you suppose would be more qualified to deal with modifying the body than Circe?

>>3967489
Tiamat?
Also that guide is literally just saying "well maybe, but don't do it retard."
We'll see what happens but honestly, this talk of circuit nonsense is getting silly.
It kind of loses the point of Yumigawa being our powerless human self seeking his prior power if he's been pumped up with stolen circuits.

>>3967493
Honestly though, I don't really expect much from Yumigawa except maybe a cheeky mystic code from Circe.
It just makes no sense if he can use Circe to become as magically capable as we were in Akeldama.
Hurts the whole theme of this part of the story.

Also, Odin could've just guessed at him being a magus.
He does have magical knowledge, even if he has no circuits.

>>3967527
>Odin could've just guessed at him being a magus
Mr. Crabs, I have an idea
Why don't we just ask Odin for more information at the meeting?

>>3967562
We can ask him in the car.

>>3967566
I wonder if they have a spare limo. I'd love to drive through Yumi's house.

>>3967598
You wanna drop a road roller on his house instead?

>>3967601
Fuck. Yes.

>>3967603
Sadly it won't penetrate Circe's temple's defences like Excalibur would effortlessly.

And we want to torture Yumigawa to death with our cute sister

God I'm really looking forward to this.

I hope this plan works.
Shadow Servants shouldn't be that much of a threat to us anyway.

>>3967649
How many post should it take for it to start? One to make a plan with the team, another to confirm our new plan, an extra one, and finally getting there.

>>3967652
Not too long I hope.
I want to get to BTFOing that shit Yumigawa.

Well, someone's going to have to break this tie before anything can happen. I won't be able to start writing until this afternoon (probably 6-8 hours in the future, for those in other time zones), so you've got more time to discuss what you want to do, but it is something to consider.

>>3967694
So a two way tie between revising the plan on the spot and including our new Servant asset on the plan or just having an awkward team meeting with 3 girls that despise each other, a maid that hates everyone and an asshole God.

>>3967694
Change my vote to stick to the plan

>>3967708
But now the team meeting is winning?

>>3967705
That's right. With only 4 votes. I see we have some people reluctant to weigh in on this choice (or who haven't made it from the last thread yet).

>>3967715
I can't actually see a team meeting being all too constructive, honestly.
It's just going to devolve into bickering at each other.

>>3967711
No?

>>3967652
Well, bickering can be interesting. I'd imagine it's what >>3966907 was hoping for, what with the "more opportunity for funny character interactions" comment.

>>3967732
Yes.
There's one vote for the original plan
One vote for the revised plan
Two for a team meeting.
Hopefully the rest of the thread notice there's a new update soon.
Doesn't help that Sweets normally doesn't update on Thursday.

>>3967734
It's hardly constructive though.

>>3967736
I don't like to be wishy washy, so let's stick to the original plan but inform them not to kill the two servants.

>>3967737
Not necessarily, no.

>>3967738
What?
We aren't being wish-washy by going with the Saber Alter Exalibur plan.
The original plan is worse in all regards and doesn't give our new combat asset a role.

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In the meantime, here's an alternate human disguise for Kōrakuhime, to help motivate discussion and votes.
Look at her disappointed yet compassionate expression, and be inspired.

>>3967745
No.
I personally don't like switching choices more than once.

>>3967749
What on Earth are you talking about

>>3967749
>>3967754
By switching to our original plan, not only do you not really resolve things and cause a further delay to going to finally deal with Yumigawa, you also support a plan that doesn't take into account the existence of the (likely) Shadow Servants or Saber Alter at all.

We made the first plan before we had an immensely powerful additional Saber on our side who has an incredible Noble Phantasm that can tip the scales on pretty much any battle.

Changing votes is not really being wish-washy anyway.

Also, the original plan and telling our allies not to kill our enemies is even worse.

>>3967748
I guess they haven't migrated from the other thread yet?

What's the count of votes?

>>3967827
It's
2 for a group discussion
1 for the revised plan
1 for the original (and worse! REE) plan

We're really just waiting on the rest of the thread to hurry up and show up.

>>3967831
Just put me down for the revised plan- I'm not voting on this again.

>>3967839
Ok so it's back to 2-2.

We can only hope some hero comes along and saves us.

In the mean time, let's go back to talking about Medusa Lily.
She isn't actually very strong compared to her Rider self.
Though she is more attractive canonically I think, so it's a trade-off.
Then again, she might not be as weak as FGO Lancer Medusa, we can't really say.
Honestly, it's not like capturing her will be that difficult considering we almost beat both her and Shirou at once when we were weaker.
As she would still have all of her years of memories with the Emiyas, but also a completely shifted mindset, Lily Medusa would be real uh... fun.

Also, how convenient that Circe is working on her own Servant summoning program!
We might be able to retrieve records/the essence of Stheno and Euryale from within Rider and summon them after all!

>>3967850
>Also, how convenient that Circe is working on her own Servant summoning program!
On that note, what heroes would she have summoned? I imagine she'd have a preference for Greek warriors, but Adelheid might've been able to convince her of summoning a few German ones. I'm leaning towards Lancers, Archers, and Riders.

>>3967872
>what heroes would she have summoned
Irrelevant.
As Shadow Servants, they are failures and not really capable of being called heroes.
Simply false manifestations.
For classes though, probably Lancers generally.

>>3966638
>>3967850
I am here to break the tie
My vote goes to new plan

>>3967850
>Honestly, it's not like capturing her will be that difficult considering we almost beat both her and Shirou at once when we were weaker.
Like many Riders, she's kind of a "bag of tricks" Servant. Bellerophon can be very strong, and Cybele can totally incapacitate an enemy or at least weaken them enough to be easily dealt with, but if neither of those does the job she's not really equipped to face a Saber in a direct fight.

>>3967879
Man, we really hard counter poor Rider, don't we?

100th post for Circe

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>>3967982
I'm sure she's touched by the gesture.

>>3967982
Good job, TIGER. We'll finally get to see her again soon.
>>3967997
She better be.

GOD DAMN IT I WANT TO KILL RUSHOROU SO MUCH.

>>3968013
Where's that picture of Circe poking him? I want a picture of us stabbing him to go before it in honor of this momentous occasion.

Well... back to tied-vote purgatory

>>3968102
Hmm? No, >>3967877 settled it in favor of going straight ahead with the revised plan and no meeting. There could always be more votes before I start writing, of course, but for the moment it seems decided.

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>>3967877
>>3968107
I'm fucking stupid

>>3968231
What, for breaking the tie?

>>3968251
I actually just spend 5 minutes thinking
of an overly chuni monologue to say how I
somehow rused the ruse master of plot twists
but in reality I just read >>3968102 post
and somehow misunderstood it, so yes,
I am stupid

If Circe's previous choice of Servant is any indication then she seems to enjoy holding control over people who have slighted her before.
It'd be fun to see that the Shadow Servants are actually the Argonauts who slighted her niece, or Oddyseus's men.

>>3968107
Oh neat.

>>3968285
She would also have to balance it with utility because she has to find the strongest heroes to fight Odin with, so if she did go along that line you can expect to see one-hit kill NPs, Anti-Divine NPs (Diomedes?), Heracles, people who can buff crowds, and maybe (MAYBE) Asclepius to being back the very recently fallen.

>>3967748
So what would her other class variations look like? Would she have a Katana, Naginata, or a Kanabo?

>>3968392
Due to her... 'peaceful' disposition, Yōjinshi-no-Kōrakuhime is eligible only for the Caster and Assassin classes. As an Assassin she would make use of highly concealed weapons treated with poison, such as an artificial flower with bladed petals, a comb with sharpened tips, or a tiny knife hidden within a kiseru.

>>3968392
Let's see... based on her personality alone she has no aptitude for the knight classes or for Rider, because she hates melee combat and physical exertion. That leaves Caster and Assassin for her.
Assassin would obviously be a ninja, so kunai and either a katana or kusarigama.

>>3968403
Would there be any real changes in appearance?

>>3968403
>>3968418
Rather than tiny, I ought to say narrow, since kiseru are often quite long; something like a stiletto blade. Poisoned tobacco can also be used, making it a multifaceted tool.
Attire would vary be traditional wafuku, very feminine, particularly favoring the heian junihitoe you see there but sometimes clothed in later things, though never more recent than Edo styles. Meiji styles and the Western influences seen in her Caster clothing are definitely out.
In Assassin Kōrakuhime's case, Presence Concealment comes in the style of concealing the nature, rather than the existence. Lacking significant physical abilities or the aptitude for hiding, she appears as a helpless, sheltered, antiquated, and definitely entirely human girl. Horns, teeth, and other oni-like traits would remain hidden until the moment she takes her enemy's life. Golden Rule comes into greater effect here than in her Caster form since she lacks the ability to use magic for her mundane needs.

>>3968432
>In Assassin Kōrakuhime's case, Presence Concealment comes in the style of concealing the nature, rather than the existence. Lacking significant physical abilities or the aptitude for hiding, she appears as a helpless, sheltered, antiquated, and definitely entirely human girl.
So... Espionage or Powerless Shell instead of Presence Concealment?

>>3968440
Because it's a Class Skill, she naturally has Presence Concealment, albeit at a low rank. Espionage is among her personal skills, however, and by combining the two abilities to suppress both her presence as a magical entity and her potential for hostility, she can appear as a thoroughly harmless human without suppressing her skills and abilities as Powerless Shell requires. Obviously this disguise will be spoiled if she makes a clear attack, hence her reliance on weapons that cannot easily be detected.

A side benefit of her more socially oriented skillset as an Assassin is that Kōrakuhime is more comfortable communicating in this class. She is able to convincingly feign emotion and act pleasant, rather than being limited to suppressing it; can easily shift between her accustomed archaic dialect and modern Kansai-ben; and lacks the long pauses for thought that characterize her speech as a Caster.
Naturally, she doesn't stutter either.

While taking on her human disguise, Kōrakuhime goes by the rather more believable name of Ogawara Youko. The personality she adopts is in many ways a stereotypically ideal 'refined sweet girl'. Never speaking above a soft tone, with a smile for everyone, innocent of many aspects of the world, all movements graceful and controlled... you get the idea. If you're familiar with im@s, I'm sure you're thinking of a certain person. This is only a front, though; within still dwells the intensely misanthropic otaku Kōrakuhime, and she delights in the two great oni pursuits: drinking alcohol and eating human flesh.
When she drinks, her personality does a 180. She becomes domineering and demanding, enjoying wringing all sorts of entertainment out of those around her. Particular favorites include making stinging jokes at the expense of those around her and high-stakes gambling (which she always wins).

Let's curb stomp Yumigawa.

Guess you folks didn't find the idea quite as interesting as I did. Ah, well; it was still a fun bit of spur-of-the-moment character creation. Thanks for the idea, >>3968392.
In other news, I'm finally off work for the evening, so I'm sitting down to write the next update now.

>>3968698
I enjoyed the Concept. Though, I'd have to wonder if her Oni form/personality would be more or less monstrous than her Caster counterpart since she has to keep it under wraps more as an Assassin.

>>3968698
I thought it was interesting I just didn't have anything to add to it...

>>3968705
It's probably more monstrous since she's forced to surpress it and can't relay on leylines like her Caster self.

>>3968285
>Circe's previous choice of Servant
No?
considering she stole Odysseus, it's more a happy coincidence.
She's not at the level where her Shadow Servants are actually *that* strong
>>3968698
I found it interesting enough, though I think the entire Assassin class is pretty stupid in general.

>>3968521
>high-stakes gambling (which she always wins).
Speaking of luck, we should go find a Luck God for a blessing. EX or A++ Luck would be nice.
Though if Luck is a measure of how much the Gods like you or whatever, bringing back the AoG ought to automatically max it out anyway.

>>3968903
>Though if Luck is a measure of how much the Gods like you or whatever, bringing back the AoG ought to automatically max it out anyway.
You mean the same way it gives us Affections of the Goddess for free? The gods didn't even bother to bless us I wouldn't make any assumptions of how important and liked we are by them.

>>3968905
The Gods can't really do much for us right now.
Their power is limited.
If we bring back the Age of Gods, that would make us the most popular Kinda Mortal in town.
Like, we'd be the complete opposite of that asshole Gilgamesh.

>>3968912
The fact that they used their powers to talk with us and give us the best sword should show that they are hedging their bets on us a little.

It's very very rare (see absolutely never happens) that somebody comes along who actually has the potential to end the Age of Man and bring the Gods back.

Inb4 Circe scryed the first unrevised plan but is unaware of Tsubaki being a Servant and unaware of our dominance of Saber.

Be prepared.

I'm afraid something's come up and I won't be able to finish the update tonight. Sorry, folks. I'll hopefully pick the pace up tomorrow.

[x] rape the maid

>>3969047
Get out of here, Shiki.

>>3968912
>The Gods can't really do much for us right now.
>Their power is limited.
They still had enough to sustain their blessing on Achilles. Just saying don't bet on the disposition of rather fickle gods.
>If we bring back the Age of Gods, that would make us the most popular Kinda Mortal in town.
And at that point we wouldn't need their help anymore.
>>3968916
>The fact that they used their powers to talk with us and give us the best sword should show that they are hedging their bets on us a little.
They didn't really gave us the sword. We created the sword and they allowed/didn't punish us for it.

>>3969050
>they still had enough to sustain their blessing on Achilles
That's because that's already a part of Achilles, for us there was no way to reach the Gods when we took that skill.
...
For some reason.
I guess our element and origin directly linked to the Realm the Gods reside in that allows us to interact with it didn't feel up to it that day lol.

>They didn't really gave us the sword. We created the sword and they allowed/didn't punish us for it
The miracles within our blade are theirs.
They told us not to forget that.

am I the only one who hates Kourakuhime's meme luck? It just came out of nowhere and is kinda unwarranted for what we've seen of her and Ogawara.

>>3969055
>That's because that's already a part of Achilles, for us there was no way to reach the Gods when we took that skill.
Uh, no we were told that a blessing is something the gods can give anyone with no precondition and that is why we couldn't get anything special out of AotG.
>The miracles within our blade are theirs.
>They told us not to forget that.
Yes, and still someone letting you take their stuff is very different to them actually gifting you something. While gifting implies a certain investment and positive disposition, letting someone take something (that you aren't really using) doesn't, especially when you immediately explicitly clarify that it is yours, implying you retain the possibility of taking it back.

For all we know we got their attention and they found us amusing, but don't care if we die as long as we entertain them while doing it.

>>3969065
No!
>Achilles isn't unique in having the power to receive blessings. Everyone has that power; you have it, Ayaka has it, Joe on the street has it. What was unique about Achilles was his circumstance; the fact that he was receiving blessings. You couldn't copy that circumstance. If you had a divine entity capable of exerting enough authority on the world to bless you with power, you'd already have the skill.

It's dumb and asspully, but Gods can't just hand out blessings anymore.
Even to people with multiple direct links to them.
Alberich can't be too strong, after all.
Why did it work for Achilles?
Dunno lol.
It's dumb.

The Gods do actually want to be Gods and not weakened spirits. So they should like Alberich because of that potential.
He's far more likely to bring them back than that lazy NEET oni is.

It's fun that Alberich has also kinda been shown as consistently more lucky than his "sister" too.

Even not including his Taiga Dojo power.
Though the ability to overwrite a fatal mistake once on any decision should land him in EX rank luck level, so whatever.

>>3969078
I feel like you're deliberately misunderstanding that explanation. Achilles' skill is a two-party situation. You could only replicate his side of it with the sacrifice. There's no God going out of their way to help you. That doesn't mean that they can't give blessings or you can't receive them, just that you can't skip to already being blessed.

>>3969078
>If you had a divine entity capable of exerting enough authority on the world to bless you with power, you'd already have the skill.
I see that more as "we have no god willing to go through the trouble for us" rather than they are incapable.
>The Gods do actually want to be Gods and not weakened spirits.
Pretty sure they are still gods over there. And frankly how often people got screwed over by gods relying on them to have your back is more than questionable. Especially often people got screwed because of pride and arrogance.

>>3969078
I guess the wording is vague. I should have phrased it differently.

>>3969082
In that case let's try to actually get the blessings of a God or Goddess
Actually getting Affections would what...?
Bring us up to A+ Strength, A Endurance and A+ Agility?
Jesus.
It shouldn't be that difficult.
We've seduced an Ex-Goddess before, entirely by accident!
...
Let's ask Hecate.
We might even get extra buffs from her being a Magic Goddess!

>>3969084
Gods are generally fine if you don't break promises to them.
Basically, don't act like Jason and you won't get crushed by your own boat in some weird metaphor.

>>3969092
>Gods are generally fine if you don't break promises to them.
Or are too pretty or are too good at something they pride themselves on being good on or being too liked by a rival god/goddess or as a referee don't judge in their favor ...

Gods are an easy way to power, but hardly a reliable one. We are even going to fight against Odin and Hecate is probably disliking us for being too close to Circe. Not that I don't like her, but even Circe could cause trouble with her jealousy.

>>3969092
Case in point, take a look at Perseus.
His downfall wasn't at all caused by the Gods because he never fucked about.

But seriously, we might get a Magic Parameter boost in addition to the others if we go for Affections of the Magic Goddess or whatever by appealing to Hecate.

Also would be great punishment for Circe.

>>3969099
You know I don't think Hecate really hates her daughter.
Circe is just assmad because she had to deal with the consequences of her own actions.
Nymphs don't get to be worshipped as Magic Goddesses.
It's kind of entirely her fault.
Again.

>>3969107
In Circe's own words they worked together then Hecate had Circe's worshippers massacred to become the sole magic goddess. And never really helped her out.
Those two aren't on good terms.

Also what are you going to do when the every god wants you to commit to him solely before they do the same on the implied premise that you would choose the greatest of them? That's perfectly in character for a lot of gods.

>>3969112
>Circe failing to point out that this occured because she had been stripped of her divinity for transforming poor Scylla into a horrible monster out of jealously.
Scylla literally did nothing wrong.
She just happened to be attractive and Glaucus was attracted to her and asked Circe for magical assistance in seducing her.
Instead she fell for Glaucus and the Scylla thing happened.

Circe's life and now afterlife is nothing but problems caused by her own inability to deal with relationships.

So Circe had her followers wiped out because she did something THE ENTIRE GREEK PANTHEON deemed as "Woah come on, that's too far."

>>3969118
There are literally a dozen stories of Hera alone who punished women for being raped by Zeus. And that's only those stories. There's dozen of stories where it's not even Zeus and Hera. Daphne for example was just a tool used by Eros to get back at Apollo.

Also wiping out an entire religion by wiping out the people isn't going too far? What the pantheons consider too far or justified is very subjective for the gods.

Still if they ask who is the greatest god of them?

>>3969118
Circe basically wrote the Yandere playbook.
>Glaucus: "IF YOU WON'T LOVE ME, LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I TURN YOUR LOVE INTO A SEA MONSTER!"
>Odysseus: After kidnapping him "LOVE ME! LOVE ME!" while stabbing him in the heart and continually bringing him back to life.
>Yumigawa Rushorou/Alberich: ??????

It ain't gonna be pretty.
Especially because Alberich is still kind of too autistic to properly understand love.
Or Circe's attraction to him.

Every girl who likes Alberich seems to have Yandere tendencies.
Even Ayaka is going in that direction.

>>3969126
>ask who is the greatest God
Don't answer this shit, simple.
The answer is the Sun God anyway.

Hera is a massive bitch, yes.
That's her thing.

Circe having her religion wiped out is totally justified.
She wasn't a fucking Goddess anymore, and it's not like her followers would just stop following her.
The one who caused her cult to be wiped out was herself.
Would never have happened had she not been a depowered Nymph trapped for the rest of her life on an island.

You think Hyper Yandere will tell a story that paints her in a bad light?

>>3969141
>Don't answer this shit, simple.
So you at best don't get any blessings and at worst get the gods pissed because you didn't admit that they were the greatest.

Not answering is an answer in itself and gods aren't known for being the most rational.

>>3969147
Hint: the answer is Amaterasu.
Easily.
the Sun God is the most powerful deity in the Nasuverse.

Don't give no answer anyway.
Give a non-answer along the lines of all the Gods being great.
He's got a Yan Harem building around him. It's the perfect practice for dealing with Gods.

>>3969168
>Give a non-answer along the lines of all the Gods being great.
So you want the gods to feel insulted, because you apparently believe they are dumb enough to trick them with a non-answer?

The gods are a divided bunch famous for fighting with each other and often times it's mortals who get screwed over in it. This wouldn't be a problem if we weren't a focus for so many gods, but with this many trying to bind them closer to us will inevitably drag us into their feuds.

>>3969180
It's mostly the Greek Gods that screech at and attempt to murder each other.
Also, the Gods aren't retarded enough to fuck with us for petty reasons like that should we become Wedge of Heaven v2.0

>>3969186
>It's mostly the Greek Gods that screech at and attempt to murder each other.
They are especially bad at it, but not the only ones.
>Also, the Gods aren't retarded enough to fuck with us for petty reasons like that should we become Wedge of Heaven v2.0
And this is just plain speculation. If we were that important we would have already been blessed by them. There are also literally gods who screw everyone over for the fun of it even if they (shortsightedly) fuck themselves over too.

>>3969186
Hopefully the Gods have learned their lesson from why Gilgamesh went wrong.

Number 1 lesson is making sure the Wedge actually prefers Gods to Humans
Number 2 is not allowing sluts like Ishtar near the Wedge.
Number 3 is not killing his clay boyfriend.

>>3969198
>Hopefully the Gods have learned their lesson from why Gilgamesh went wrong.
Gods: He was too prideful and thought themselves as above the gods. Conclusion: Humble Alberich.

>>3969191
I mean, it's only natural for us to be made the Wedge should we bring about a resurgence of the Gods.
Right now, it's just a potential outcome.

We need to one-up Gilgamesh in every way.
>>3969208
Yeah but Gilgamesh liked humans.
In his own way.
Alberich considers humans he doesn't know as expendible or power boosts.


Speaking of Gil, we're gonna get the invulnerable armour next, right?

>>3969219
>I mean, it's only natural for us to be made the Wedge should we bring about a resurgence of the Gods.
>Right now, it's just a potential outcome.
Then it hardly is a reason for them not to drag us into shit before that happens, which isn't unlikely if we go out of our way to get in closer contact with them in order to gain their blessings.
>Yeah but Gilgamesh liked humans.
>In his own way.
>Alberich considers humans he doesn't know as expendible or power boosts.
You really think Gilgamesh's massive ego would have ever accepted the gods as above him?

>>3969224
I just want to talk to Hecate for her blessing really.

Also summoning Scylla.
I want Circe to suffer and be confronted by her sins in return for failing us.

>You really think Gilgamesh's massive ego would have ever accepted the gods as above him?
Maybe.

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>>3969168
I dunno man, Big G might make a compelling argument.

>>3969238
Yahweh is cheating.
As are Lovecraftian Gods.

Seriously though.
I think asking Hecate for her blessing would be the greatest punishment we could possibly enact on Circe.
Well, that and summoning Scylla.
Summoning Scylla would be excellent for the interactions.

>>3969318
Yes, but why are you considering these actions?

>>3969322
Why aren't YOU considering these actions?
Circe has betrayed us and unless she immediately stands down, is going to continue to betray us.
She deserves a punishment if we decide to spare her.

Also, I want blessings damn it.

>>3969323
seems a bit harsh for what's probably just a big misunderstanding
>Also, I want blessings damn it.
Get them from Odin

>>3969340
>just a big misunderstanding.
Well as far as misunderstandings go, they don't really get much bigger than this.
Still want to talk to Hecate or Scylla though.

>get them from Odin
No, we're going to kill him and as a pseudo-servant he almost certainly can't give them out

>>3969344
>No, we're going to kill him and as a pseudo-servant he almost certainly can't give them out
We kill him and use the street cred to extract blessings from him in the Reverse Side. ez

>>3969349
Eh, it might work.
He'll also be in the reverse side anyway.
I wonder how he'll feel about a version of him being killed by us.

>>3969354
He seemed pretty hyped about it. It looks like Odin legitimately wants us to win -- which is unsurprising for him.
But no blessings from Hecate.

>>3969361
But think of how strong we could be!

Alright it really just depends on how this fight against Circe goes.
If it goes well then we won't get blessings from Hecate.
If we have to kill her, why not?

What I want to know is why Alberich still seems to think so poorly of Circe even though she thinks she's done nothing but remain loyal to him.
And hell, even Adelheid is getting it now.
He knows that she hasn't purposely betrayed him.
He should really learn to reserve his judgement.

>>3969410
What, you missed all of the times Alberich thought Circe might be doing something else and wanted to hear the truth from her?

>>3969431
I didn't miss all the times he was seething about her doing the impossible (Damn that Circe! Retroactively summoning a Servant!) and genuinely acting like a retard.

As it is now though, he's smart enough to put two and two together and should really stop screeching about these "betrayals."

>>3969442
He just has a bad habit, an ONORE habit. It comes with increasing Pride

>>3969456
A bad habit of being retarded and doubling down as soon as things start to look like they might not go his way?

God, we really ARE Gilgamesh 2.0

>>3969410
I just realize we might actually be the yandere in this situation.
I bet Circe's never had to deal with that before.

>>3969471
This is why we need to go full yandere when we meet her.

>>3969482
Absolutely.
It might actually endear us over Yumigawa- after all- if he isn't kill all the other suitors then what fucking good is he? Oddyseus did it for his wife? Why can't you?

>>3969482
Oh yeah I'm all for doing that.
Ought to confuse the fuck out of Ayaka.
How dare our *kind of* mother figure betray us like this while we were in the midst of developing an Oedipus complex!

>>3969471
I mean, we're really going to have to go hard on the Yandere scale to even match her.

Then again, we do want to make it so the person responsible for taking her away from us (among other things) will suffer more than should be possible before we kill him.
Even though he could be called "us".

God, we hate our alternate selves more than EMIYA hates Shirou.

>Yumigawa: Why shouldn't I have some affection for you?"
>Alberich: "FUCK HIM FUCK HIM I'M GOING TO KILL HIM I'M GOING TO TORTURE HIM IN THE MOST PAINFUL WAY POSSIBLE BEFORE I KILL HIM AAAAARGH."

lol

>>3969509
Just to further emphasize the difference between us and Yumigawa we should take off our armor, ditch the sword, and pummel the shit out of the Shadow Servants like we did in Akeldama.

>>3969538
>"I am wounded!"
>suddenly decides to do this
The ultimate ruse.

Actually though, pretending we don't have enough energy to sustain our armour or our Noble Phantasm might be a good idea.

>>3969538
This is one of those scenes I really wish I could draw. I want to show depict Alberich tossing his cloak off over his shoulder as it dematerializes like a boxer's cloak in old fighting games.

>>3969559
I actually really want us to do this now.
Maybe one day we'll simply develop bravery from punching things a lot.

>>3969563
We better hear some jet engines when we do Dempsey Rolls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpFQkhZKe9s

>>3969563
Honestly that would've been a way more interesting method to develop skills and gain stats

>>3969590
I doubt it. You folks would complain nonstop that it felt arbitrary, and argue about what skills you should have developed when.

>>3969590
Yeah, unfortunately, Matsuda got that one and we have to be bootleg megaman instead.

Why do our two siblings get abilities they can use to strengthen themselves (Tsubaki has that NP probably and Matsuda gets his bullshit skill) but Alberich gets jack shit on the skills department despite bettering himself being the whole point of who he was and is?

And no. Ayaka doesn't count at all.
It's like saying that any Servant with Shirou as their master actually has all the Noble Phantasms held within UBW.

>>3969597
I maintain that for a quest, choosing abilities to take from defeated enemies presents more interesting choices to the players than just developing skills passively based on what you do. It's the system I'd want to have if I were a player, so it's what I included for you folks.
As for the wish about bettering yourself, that was primarily about surpassing the magi of the Moonlit World as a magus. Magic, you'll note, is the conspicuous field in which you have been improving at an incredible rate.

>>3969685
I mean sure, but there's nothing to denote that. Unlike Matsuda's bullshit self improvement or Tsubaki's Akeldama derived ritual.
Also, that "magic" thing really falls apart when you remember that Caster wasn't a class we could've taken.
I mean, Caster would've been overpowered, but still.

And it's not like magic was all Alberich/"Yumigawa" wanted to do.
He trained with Matsuda to improve his physical abilities.

The problem of "the system I would want" is that you made the other system (Matsuda) look like the most overpowered thing in the fucking universe.
Also, you made our magic look like trash in the Matsuda fight where he basically effortlessly countered it.

"Standing above all" doesn't just mean being the best at magic.

Honestly, I just think that Alberich got the short straw when it came to his skills at the start of Akeldama.
His Charisma should at least have plus modifiers or something to represent that the rank might not be accurate to the actual level of the skill
He has EotM true that is ranked lower than any other servant with the skill with the exception of fucking Chevalier D'eon
Hell, even his Magic Resistance is consistently ignored when it will be convenient for the story. (LOOKING AT YOUR MYSTIC EYES, LILIESVIEL)

Nothing will ever make any less sense than Matsuda having EoTM True and not False after training for a week.

>>3969727
>Tsubaki's Akeldama derived ritual
You still have no idea what that actually does. I've told you this a bunch of times now, but have you thought about it from every angle?
>Honestly, I just think that Alberich got the short straw when it came to his skills at the start of Akeldama.
You may have a point there, though. Think about it from Judas' perspective.
>LOOKING AT YOUR MYSTIC EYES, LILIESVIEL
Now, just what do you mean by that?

>>3969746
What if I told you that regular human Matsuda had the lowest possible rank of Mind's Eye (True) already?

>>3969765
>You may have a point there, though. Think about it from Judas' perspective.
What?
Are you saying we got gimped on purpose?
I thought we got most of the energy?
What?

>Now, just what do you mean by that?
Her mystic eyes just piercing straight through magic resistance and controlling a servant WITH MAGIC RESISTANCE into telling her the truth, because of plot, basically.

>>3969768
I wouldn't actually care.
The difference between E and A is astronomical and you fucking know it.
Honestly, neither Alberich or Matsuda deserve EoTM True, as their actual combat experience at their level is horribly limited and in Matsuda's case, other than his fight with Alberich. Non-existent.
You shouldn't just be able to empower the skill like that without ruining it and turning it to false.
You can't get more combat experience by being better at training for fucks sake.
It's just not how it works.

>The mark of a life lived in constant bloodshed:
Like a bad joke.

>>3969798
That might not have been the best wording. F/SN refers to Mind's Eye (True) as "insight fostered by training," after all.
Since (False) is the ability to detect danger by some kind of sixth-sense, whereas (True) is the ability to make considered decisions about battle, I'd say it's actually the opposite of your dynamic. One can get (False) just by fighting, but training is indispensable for (True).

>Her mystic eyes just piercing straight through magic resistance
I don't recall this happening. What makes you think she has mystic eyes, anyway?

>>3969832
In the limo?
Where she literally compelled us to tell her our True Name???

Yes, training is indispensable for true, but...
Alberich got his C without actually training and he got his E by cheating with cheating gloves.
Matsuda got his by training for a week because "cheat skill lol"
That's not enough combat experience for either of them to deserve the skill.

We have different ideas on what you should need to do to raise EoTM True.
Training against opponents far inferior to you should not be valid as training.
Especially not for shit like insight into a battle.
That's the sort of stuff you get from actually fighting and getting experience from real battle, picking up things that you otherwise wouldn't have. Not by training against the same people for days.

fucking EMIYA, a counter guardian who's entire life is combat, quite literally, who can study as many combat styles from an opponent as soon as he see's their weapon only has it at Rank B.
Heracles (as Alcides, where it is True and not false) A man who mastered all weapons and created the Nine Lives technique, only has it at Rank B.

Matsuda having it at Rank A is fucking bullshit and discredits the entire skill.

>>3969846
>fucking EMIYA, a counter guardian who's entire life is combat, quite literally, who can study as many combat styles from an opponent as soon as he see's their weapon only has it at Rank B.
>Heracles (as Alcides, where it is True and not false) A man who mastered all weapons and created the Nine Lives technique, only has it at Rank B.
You know, when you put it that way, it does feel like B is more appropriate to the ability he's displayed.
I just thought it'd be entertaining for him to become a wuxia-type Servant with similar abilities to Kojirou, honestly.

>>3969865
I mean, Kojirou is next level sword autism in Nasuverse.
A man of such unbreakable autistic skill that he breaks the fundamental rules of the universe because "Fuck birds"
When it comes to fighting skill, you simply don't defeat Kojirou.
Even Musashi basically admits that he's the best swordsman.

I mean, maybe when Matsuda has trained for much much longer he could be a contender.
But until then, autistic bird cutting man will remain supreme.

>>3969877
Ok but when the fuck did Fergus get EotM (True): A?

I can understand Chiron having it, but what on Earth?
WHY?

>Fergus has this Skill with a high rank from the anecdotes of him deducing that the existence of 'two huge bulls' sent by the gods was the reason why the great war of Ulster occurred and that it would be the cause of Ireland's destruction

Ok what the fuck. That makes no sense and now I am angry.
Fuck FGO.

To move on and address a different complaint:
>>3969055
>am I the only one who hates Kourakuhime's meme luck?
It really didn't come out of nowhere; her luck stat is an expression of how lucky she was back in the Akeldama, as well as in the human life of her basis.
Original Ogawara was born into a family rich and proud enough to completely support him despite the fact that he's an utterly antisocial failure. Even if he completely withdraws from society after graduating high school, he'll still be set for life.
In the Akeldama, Ogawara survived the preliminary round that killed almost all participants despite having absolutely no combat or survival skills. He then managed to survive the War as a whole even though he contributed less than anyone else to your group's success, and had the easiest situation of anyone involved.
Finally, as a Servant Kōrakuhime was again able to rely on her good fortune and let Ani-ue shield her completely from the consequences of her hunting trips.
No matter how you look at it, she's ridiculously lucky.

>>3969885
Conclusion: Mind's Eye (True) makes no sense.

>>3969892
>she's lucky because she didn't die and didn't do that much.
I mean not really.
The exact same situation goes for Yumigawa for the prelims. Except he's luckier because he actually got the survival ticket magic coins.
Then he coincidentally ended up finding the place to summon Servants.
Then he coincidentally ended up not only summoning a Servant, but also empowering himself into an existence beyond humanity immediately.
Then he just happens to have been empowered in such a way that when he eats Circe's food, he doesn't get turned into a pig.

Hell, even now his "luck" is playing a part, where he just happens to decide to learn how to use absorption magic when it's just what he needs to control Saber.

You can hardly say somebody is lucky just because their continued existence hinges entirely upon a fairly unstable and evil man.

>Original Ogawara
Don't care, different souls should not have the same luck stat, unless you're saying the Original Ogawara has the ability to defy destiny.

>she's ridiculously lucky
Not seeing it. "Not Dying" is not a valid measure of one's luck.

>>3969902
Here comes Sherlock Holmes (Saber) With EotM (True): EX.
The master of deduction!
I wouldn't even be mad.

>>3969909
>The exact same situation goes for Yumigawa for the prelims. Except he's luckier because he actually got the survival ticket magic coins.
Yumigawa didn't get saved by random passersby. He actually worked for his survival, helping out Matsuda despite being a regular human and proactively exploring. Ogawara would have died due to his inaction if he hadn't been fortunate enough that you passed by him.
>Then he coincidentally ended up finding the place to summon Servants.
I could swear there was some kind of force or landmark guiding you to that church. No?
>Then he coincidentally ended up not only summoning a Servant, but also empowering himself into an existence beyond humanity immediately.
This was a decision, not a coincidence.
>Then he just happens to have been empowered in such a way that when he eats Circe's food, he doesn't get turned into a pig.
Alright, that's fair.

>Not dying is not a valid measure of one's luck
It depends on the circumstance. If you're in a situation where you really should die, and take no action to secure your survival, but survive by sheer good fortune, that really is a measure of luck.

>>3969919
>This was a decision, not a coincidence.
A decision of which Yumigawa had no idea what the results would be and just happened to get the best results.
>I could swear there was some kind of force or landmark guiding you to that church. No?
I honestly can't remember.
I remember a lot of aimless wandering though.
>Ogawara would have died due to his inaction if he hadn't been fortunate enough that you passed by him.
Again, having your life entirely in the hands of another, who saves you on a whim, is not lucky.

>It depends on the circumstance. If you're in a situation where you really should die, and take no action to secure your survival, but survive by sheer good fortune, that really is a measure of luck
UBW Shinji: Luck EX.

>>3969909
>Don't care, different souls should not have the same luck stat, unless you're saying the Original Ogawara has the ability to defy destiny.

Well I mean, we came from being made from a clone by Judas, and our stats as a Saber (notably including luck!) were based on our performance in the akeldama mixed with things that came with the class.

Ogawara was In an extremely similar situation In that regard.

>>3969924
>notably including luck!
Our luck was always a B.
It never changed.

Even though Alberich is a tremendously lucky person, the Oni NEET that requires his continued help to not be slaughtered has a far higher rank in Luck.

HIS MASTER JUST *COINCIDENTALLY* HAS A RITUAL THAT CAN EMPOWER HIM.

>>3969911
I joked but his Noble Phantasm includes
>" Even if the opponent is supposed to be unbeatable, Holmes will find a way to defeat them"
So EotM (True): EX would kind of absolutely make sense.
Fuck.

>>3969931
Look, anon, it's a matter of proportion. For Alberich, he's mostly doing well as a result of his own hard work. His luck just adds a little extra gravy. Because that bit of extra from luck gets added to an already good fate, though, his life seems very lucky.
On the other hand, Kōrakuhime is, all things considered, massively self-destructive. Her luck is working overtime just to keep her alive; yet despite that, at the end of the day, she's living in a luxurious home, eating well, has someone keeping her safe, and is even partway to finding love. It's pretty much all credited to good luck.

>>3969931
Oh, and one more thing.
THAT ISN'T COINCIDENTAL! Why do you think they summoned Judas in the first place? It all harmonizes.

>>3969947
>partway to finding love
>[X] Doubt.

You know Sweets, nothing will ever seem more lucky and coincidental than just happening to recreate the whole Odysseus thing where we survived eating Circe's food.
That was us doing something everyone knew was incredibly stupid and would probably kill us and doing it anyway.
That's some Grade A++ Bullshit right there and you know it.

I don't care if you think that being stupid and not dying grants you A+ Luck. It doesn't make any sense because fucking Yumigawa did stupid shit and survives it all the time.
>"Oh! An enemy servant! I'll just go check out that lovely singing voice!"
>"Alas! I am in mortal peril, but they want me to make them a coffee! Oh-ho! How convenient that I, a man with zero cooking skill worked the coffee stall in the school festival and have the skills of a master barista!"
Is another one.
Alberich has demonstrated far greater moments of showing off extreme luck than Kourakuhime has for not being killed despite doing absolutely mindbogglingly retarded shit.

By your logic, Shinji would have A++ Luck for surviving UBW.
Nobody acts more self-destructive and survives than him.

>>3969950
Ok sure.

So how exactly are we going to go full Yandere on Circe?

You know, after discarding our cloak like some sort of fighting champion.

Even more Ironic considering it's the Cloak SHE made for us (sorta) and we named it in honor of her.
We will literally be unclipping the silver brooch in the shape of our command spells in order to take it off.
What a fucking potential scene.

I wonder if she'll recognise the shape.

Update when

>>3970084
Just to add more, what if we go in like the Greeks did? Just a make loin cloth with our ribbons.
I'm sure they'll appreciate the view.

>>3970151
That's not our style.
There's a reasonable limit to showing off.
Fighting in our suit barehanded will be enough.

>>3970149
I'm working on it, sorry. Done ASAP. It's been a bit hectic for me the last couple of days.

>>3970151
If you do that, somebody'll have to prepare the Urien sprite edit.
I was just thinking shirtless, though.

>>3970156
Shirtless could also work.

>>3970156
We have to go shirtless. Business suit would only get in the way.

>>3970167
It never got in the way in Akeldama, but sure why not.
We need to show off our body at some point.

Nobody has ever seen us without our shirt.
Except maybe Circe watching us as we slept.

>>3970167
>>3970171
ib4 that locks us into the yandere harem route

>>3970179
YOU BEST START BELIEVING IN YANDERE HAREMS ANON.
YER IN ONE

>>3970180
YES YES YES

>>3970180
And here I thought you wanted to create a harem of tsundere maids.

>>3970183
why can't we have both?
the two best dere types for the ultimate lifeform is only natural

>>3970183
Why not both?

>>3970183
¿Por que no los dos?

>>3970183
Wait, Arturia likes us?

>>3970198
Of course!
Who couldn't love the man who mindraped them and forced them into servitude?

Now the real question whenever we meet a new female character is...

Yandere Harem or the Tsundere Maid Corps?

Hags need not apply!
...
Rin.

>>3970214
Alberich just needs to find a biology book and learn that every human has once been a child
Just capture Tohsaka and lolify her
easy

>>3970214
I guess Truvi can join the Tsundere Maid Corps.
She's not really doing much else right now.
>>3970221
We can't just turn everyone into a loli.

>>3970230
do not doubt the united autism of the Anons and the magic of the nasuverse

>>3970198
>>3970212
We just need to give her rewards for a job well done so that she slowly warms up to us.

And then she'll see a different side of us.

>>3970236
If you really want lolimancer powers then just vote to copy Circe's Noble Phantasm on our next upgrade.

We should be able to.

>>3970240
>a different side of us
How autistic we are?
She does like autism.

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>>3970221
You wouldn't force this arrogant little girl to become a maid, would you?

>>3970271
I think you already know the answer to that.

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But what if we went a step further...
What if we turned Shirou into best girl?

>>3970299
Mandatory. If Circe betrays us we're taking that transformation NP.

>>3970271
>>3970299
yes to both, do not underestimate the power of /qst/'s autism

>>3970338
TIGER.
We can already copy it thanks to our link to her.
Alberich is excellent at replicating things just from a record.
Must be a benefit of his origin.

>>3970350
Then why the fuck haven't we done this earlier? This is of absolute importance! Nothing could be more important!

>>3970350
I've been thinking about this. Did I explicitly say that it was possible for you to copy Circe or Adelheid's Noble Phantasms? I know we had that whole Titania debacle in the meta conversation, but it's not as though you actually have replicated anything from the Akeldama.

>>3970439
Who's to say that Kenotis isn't a replication and Yumigawa has the real one?

>>3970439
Or that the sword isn't a replication of what Circe purposed to us?
Honestly- I'd be terrified and excited to see Yumigawa with a full arsenal of Kenotis, Lunchables, and the bow.
Bonus points if our ribbon wrappings can block them.

>>3970439
You did, yes.
Something along the lines of our link as their master and the mana transfers we did.

>>3970448
>>3970483
You still don't get that Yumigawa isn't actually Akeldama Rushorou?
Of course Kenotis is the real one.

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There are players ITT that don't know that Circe has stayed true to us and is just using human Yumigawa and avoiding us to help us keep up the charade with Lily.

>>3970577
This is an impressive level of delusion

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>>3970577
My god.

>>3970575
I'm just saying.

>>3970606
You aren't saying anything.
For one thing, it would require Yumigawa to share our Elemental affinity and origin for Circe to create Kenotis and the like for him once again.
Seeing as he shouldn't have either of those and should in fact have some worthless affinity and origin, we should be fine.
His aptitude for learning magic should also be awful in comparison to our own, if Sweets is to be believed about that part of our empowerment.

For Circe, I imagine it would be like if a promising student who picked up magic super quick suddenly had a bad case of brain damage.

So, what are the odds that the plan fails horribly, do you think?

I'm calling bullshit if Circe scryed it all, because if she did it literally would've been more constructive to just charge in with no plan.

>>3970732
Anon, you should know by now that no plan survives contact with the enemy.

It, without a doubt, will fail to go as we planned, but that doesn't mean we still can't achieve our goals.

Those goals being recovering our stolen waifus and beating the dirty thief to death. It's a shame really we can't kill him more than once. That we can't pummel him to death, curb stomp him, shred his face against the wall, or tear him limb from limb.

>>3970752
>no plan survives contact with the enemy
But this plan was made with literally all of the information in mind.
We can't be a decent ruler if we can't even outplay our enemies.
Or ourself.

>>3970732
>>3970771
We haven't even revised it yet and you're already screaming about the apocalypse. We can have Odin block Circe while we discuss the plan, you know.

>>3970797
I just expect things to go horribly at all times.
Planning for the worst case scenario should be something we start doing.
Not doing so is how we got into this mess in the first place.

>>3970797
I MEAN, we haven't even told anyone yet.

Thank God, I finally feel human again.
Don't stay up doing bookkeeping 'til the small hours of the morning, folks. I ended up having to work more after my "I'm done working" post last night, and I've had the most wicked headache all day.
About two-thirds of the way done with the update, by the way.

>>3970805
There's not much we can do when the plan is made to avoid the worst case: Circe doesn't believe us and decides to do... whatever it is she wants to do with us.

>>3970809
We're about to tell Lily though.

Honestly though, there should be no reason for Circe to be scrying us at this very moment anyway.

>>3970811
>two-thirds
I'm a strong man who can wait a few more hours. . . I hope

>>3970816
It's lucky even if we lose we can make Arturia's day out of pure spite for them.
>"Arturia. Use Excalibur on my position."
Goodbye Circe.
Goodbye Adelheid.
Goodbye Shadow Servants.

>>3970811
Gureato days.

Ah yes, what a delicious thread
Wouldn't be fate if there wasn't salt about waifus and powerlevels
Really, it shows that sweets did an excellent job when the threads read like shit you'd find on /a/

I honestly think that if anyone could figure out that Alberich is the one she knew in Akeldama and Yumihawa isn't, it would be Circe. The motivations for sticking with him instead of us are murky but still.