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“A Knight is Sworn to Valour. His Heart Knows Only Virtue. His Blade Defends the Helpless. His Might Upholds the Weak. His Word Speaks Only Truth. His Wrath Undoes the Wicked.”

Every child in Cantôn knows of the Knight’s Code. From peasant-born waifs playing with sticks in the mud to keen-eyed noble sons practicing with cold steel in the training yard, all have at the very least dreamed of one day becoming a knight themselves. To ride out on errantry into the Five Duchies Kingdom and beyond for God and Glory, bringing the Law of Adam to the wicked and the Blade of Cain to the beast.

The Knights of Cantôn are sworn to follow the Code, to obey the King, to refuse no call for aid honestly asked for, to seek out and destroy the Foe wherever it may lurk and rid the world of evil.

Were it so easy…

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What’s with all the Kniggas?
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Sandag, 24th Day of Ovrimun, 883 A.C.E – Fallavon Forest Ruins, Midday

As the cry ”LIBERTY HOUR” erupts in the woodlands surrounding the southern ruin entrance your thoughts are drawn back to Sam Wyte’s words to his gathered motely band, even as your body moves to the attack.

”I could talk to you today about who we’re fighting and why. Foreign mercenaries, bought and paid for with the ill-gotten gold of the nobility for their own selfish, senseless wars. Slavers, the men that chain men not just with law and threats but shackles and whip. True points all, reason enough for us act. But our fight is older than that. Our fight is more than that.” Sam Wyte looks around at each and every one the scores of gathered Bluejays. Barely a day in his company and you can tell he knows the name of each and every man under his command, from runaway farmhand to son of a leatherworker. ”Since the first peasant serf watched his liege grow fat in the warm castle halls while his own sons starved in the cold and thought ‘This is not just’. Since the first wretched slave met his masters eyes and said ‘No More’. Since the first savage man in fur and loincloth was commanded to his knees and laughed ‘Never’. Liberty against Oppression. Justice against Tyranny.
You remember thinking at the time, amid the cheers of the various rebels of the realm, that the outlaw brigand Sam Wyte was something of an orator. You recall Father having one such rabblerouser burnt at the stake for preaching heresy in the Andryski hamlet. ‘Honeyed words and grand promises of easy salvation can lead even the most pious commonfolk astray’, he had said. Still there is something admirably charimastic in the way Sam Wyte gives his speech, even if the message behind it is nonsense. Setting aside the kidnapping, thefts and brigandry typical of their sort, one could almost believe this was a band of brothers. A poor man’s version of a Knights Order, if you will.

”That is the fight we carry. We may never live to see it won. Each of us may see the Hangman’s Smile long before our glorious revolutions spreads from shore to shore of our homeland. But it is in the hard times that the summer comrade and sunshine revolutionary, men of words and not action, will shrink from the cause and shy away from the hardship demanded. He that stands tall now, with all the world and its tyrants stacked against us, deserves the love and thanks of all lowborn men and women.”

Odd, that the old rebel’s words would stick with you even as you charge the Langlish lines with his minions. As they say, even the affiliation of traitors leads one to doubt their own loyalties. Like a disease or cancerous blemish, their ideas might spread and take root.

You banish these thoughts with a shake of your helm. You have men to lead, and a battle to win.

[1/2]
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F for my boy Pietre Verdun never forgotten
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Hello Forgotten.
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Aww yeah let's do this
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Rolled 2, 2 + 1 = 5 (2d2 + 1)

[2/2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIBH7AsEF9M - Assault of the Deepwood Ruins theme

Bluejays, reputedly the finest shots in the known world for all their other failings. Against them, men of one of the famed Langlish Freeblade Companies known for their professional discipline and exorbitant rates. Rebels and foreign mercenaries, and you can’t even say for sure that you are on the right side.

”Shields up! Shields up!” Your bellowing voice commands the centre of the main Bluejay push into the Langlish position. No identifying marks or proud family heraldry is displayed on your plain shield, but Almighty-willing it will serve its purpose. A mistimed charged across the open ground could falter under enemy fire if the formation is strung out. Better to advance under the heaviest protection possible, and give your own archers a chance to thin their ranks while the crossbowmen fail to thin yours.

Nonetheless, your cautious advance has given the Langlish plenty of time to set up a bracing palisade of halberds on the main approach path of your formation. Their plate armour stands proof against the flitting arrows raining in on their cohort from the woodlands, but against such a withering volley from some of the most infamous marksmen on the continent even plate armour cannot endure forever. Gaps are found, joints punctured, screams elicited from the pulsing throng of foreign mercenaries as their own crossbowmen take their positions and return fire.

Ill-equipped to enter into an exchange of arrows with the camouflaged Bluejays in the woods, the bulk the Langlish crossbow fire is instead turned to your vanguard. You pray that your shield and armour holds…

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>Rolling for number of volleys exchanged before battle lines meet.
>Cautious Advance +2d2
>Infiltration -1
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>>3924741
>Rolled 2, 2 + 1 = 5 (2d2 + 1)
:(((((
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>>3924741
>5
Ffff
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Rolled 18, 22, 15 = 55 (3d100)

Good to see you lads!

>>3924741
That should read 3, as I obviously don't know how to subtract from my rolls properly. Damage will be distributed randomly.


>Exchange of arrows 50DC
>Master Bowmen: Bluejay misses may be re-rolled, including doubles.
>Crossbows: Langlish hits resolved at -10AV
>50DC

3 rolls of 1d100 for the Bluejay side, sharpshooters.
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>>3924755
Dang the Bluejays are rolling!
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>>3924755
>18
>22
>15

Sweet Reginae, these mercs are worth their coin.

>>3924757
Unfortunately, that was me rolling for the Langlish.
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Wait. It's -1 right? So it's 3 and not 5
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not cool mercs
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Rolled 20 (1d100)

>>3924755


>>3924760
Oh crap I'm dumb
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>>3924755
WOOO! Death to foreigners!
To make minus you do '+-'
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Rolled 74 (1d100)

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>>3924760
>Unfortunately, that was me rolling for the Langlish.
...
>3 rolls of 1d100 for the Bluejay side, sharpshooters.
We live in world of lies and deceptions
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>>3924772
Ah, I see. I'm asking you guys to roll for the Bluejays. I'll roll for the Langlish.
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Rolled 4 (1d100)

>>3924755
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Rolled 11 (1d100)

>>3924755
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>>3924777
Oh ok then, things get confusing for me :(
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>>3924780
Can we use this as a reroll for that

>>3924769
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>>3924765
>>3924779
Two hits.

>>3924769
One miss. You can use your re-roll.
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>>3924769
>>3924755
I didn't link mine does it count?
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Rolled 29 (1d100)

>>3924755
>>3924769
Re-rolling
>>3924790
Okay then
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>>3924765
>>3924779
>>3924780
>>3924796
Hell yeah lads the Bluejays are worth it too!
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Rolled 2, 3, 2 = 7 (3d5)

Looks like everyone's been down to the practicing range lately. Let's see about damage.

>QM rolling to allocate Langlish hits (first dice is the double).
1 = Sir Emile Andrei (AV 70 – Cautious Advance)
2 = Young Lord Damien Andrei (AV 60 – Cautious Advance)
3 = Sir Neil dan Marc (AV 60 – Cautious Advance)
4 = Comrade JayJay (AV 20 – Good cover)
5 = Comrade Dennick (AV 20 – Good cover)
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>>3924803
Too bad we'll be dead from the Langlish crossbow fire
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>>3924804
Oh shit Damien is in trouble
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>Young Lord Damien is Battered!

2 rolls of 1d100 please.

1st Roll = Sir Neil dan Marc [Breastplate +20AV, Heater Sheild +20AV, Piercing Crossbow -10AV] x2 Cautious Advance
>AV 60

2nd Roll = Young Lord Damien Andrei [Breastplate +20AV, Heater Sheild +20AV, Piercing Crossbow -10AV] x2 Cautious Advance
>AV 60
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Rolled 66 (1d100)

>>3924811
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Rolled 45 (1d100)

>>3924811
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Rolled 82 (1d100)

>>3924811
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>>3924811
>Piercing Crossbow -10AV
Where's the knigga that called this shit in the last thread?
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Rolled 63, 27 = 90 (2d100)

>>3924811
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Rolled 1, 5, 1 = 7 (3d5)

>QM rolling to allocate Bluejay hits
Allocating Bluejay Damage
1 = Cusceni Grin, Halberdier (AV 30 – forming lines)
2 = Happy, Halberdier (AV 30 – forming lines)
3 = Marco the Black, Halberdier (AV 30 – forming lines)
4 = Roberto Cuss, Arbalest (AV 40 – Good cover)
5 = Lugi the Sly, Arbalest (AV 40 – Good cover)
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Rolled 73, 27, 11 = 111 (3d100)

>>3924822
QM rolling for Langlish AV.

1st & 2nd Roll = Cusceni Grin, Halberdier [Full-plate +15AV, Halberd +10AV, Schiltron Formation +5AV]
>30AV

3rd Roll = Lugi the Sly, Arbalest [Full-plate +15AV, Rear lines +15AV, Moderate Cover +10AV]
>40AV
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>>3924833
Spend your shekels at only the finest Langlish armourers.

>Cusceni Grin is Battered!


>>3924812
Before I forget
>Sir Neil dan Marc is battered!
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>>3924833
Why Damien gets only one AV roll and Cusceni Grin gets two?
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>>3924841
The double hit from before by the Langlish (22) ignores AV, same as in combat.

Now that the entrees and first flirtatious skirmishing is out of the way, it is time for the min course...
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>>3924841
Forgotten rolled a double against the DC so it bypassed the AV
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>>3924845
oh ok
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>>3924822
>>3924833
>>3924844
Forgotten with all these dubs.... This doesn't bode well for Emile
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”Ready, aim, loose! Ancora! The chiselled Langlish lieutenant barks his commands with perfect calm, as if he were ordering a round of drinks in a noisy tavern rather than directing the fate of dozens of human lives. Buono! Very Good, slow is steady. Steady is fast. Halberdiers to the fore!”

Compared to the gleaming armour and shining steel of the Langlish formation that moves with practiced clockwork, your band of rebel assaulters armed with spear, hatchet and light armour must seem a sorry rabble. You would not have fancied your odds if these well-armed mercenaries hadn’t had a substantial portion of their number recalled upon the attack. Even as it is, they need only bloody your side’s nose and repel the initial assault to even the odds. The longer this combat goes on, the more momentum you lose, and the more armour and endurance will matter over speed and agility.

[1/2]
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Before we begin I need 1 roll of 1d100 to see if your Lucky Charm finally starts working.

>DC 50
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Rolled 32 (1d100)

>>3924858
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>>3924859
About time that trinket paid off.
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>>3924859
Freaking finally
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>>3924863
>Half a thread spent shit flinging over keeping it or not
>Does literally nothing for the next 5 threads
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>>3924870
Better late than never especially in this fight
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>>3924859
And thats y we keep it around
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Just realised I mistakenly swapped the AV/DC of full-plate armour. Fixing that up and then we will have rolls galore.
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>>3924855
A long battle apparently won't be to our advantage here. Hope Forgotten isn't just screwing with us.
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>>3924886
Short and sweet
In and out
Up and down
Hot and cold
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Did you take into account the reload time of the crossbows btw Forgotten? It should take longer than bows to reload
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Sandag, 24th Day of Ovrimun, 883 A.C.E – Fallavon Forest Ruins, Midday
The Assault on the Side Passage
>Double AV (Max 80), Total unsaved damage to Foe is halved (Rounding up)
>Battle Progress: EVENLY MATCHED (50DC). Your side has the advantage in initiative and numbers but the superior equipment, discipline and advantageous position of your opponent means they have a decent chance at repelling you.
>Surprise Attack! Your side has successfully launched a surprise assault and may re-roll all battle progress rolls on the first round.
>Skirmish (dozens of combatants): Wining Personal Combat will add +20DC to Battle Progress and +1 Battle Re-Roll.
>On Foot: As you are not mounted, you will have little choice in where the chaotic melee leads you, tactically.

Sir Emile Andrei, Young Knight of Romaine: Healthy
Young Lord Damien Andrei, Heir to House Andrei: Battered
Sir Neil dan Marc, Sworn Man to Sir Andrei: Battered
Comrade JayJay, Bluejay Rebel (Ranged): Healthy
Comrade Dennick, Bluejay Rebel (Ranged): Healthy
>Combat = +64DC [Healthy +5DC, Strong +5DC, Castle-forged Arming Sword +5DC, Breastplate and Helm +10DC, Damien Andrei +15DC, Sir dan Marc +15DC, Blademaster +10DC, Law of Adam +4DC]
>Armour Value = 80AV [Breastplate and Helm +20AV, Heater Shield +20AV, Guardian +5AV, Halberds blows -5AV] x2 Cautious
>Combat Re-Rolls = 4 [Holy Orders +1, Courageous Sky +1, Lady's Favour +1, Lucky Charm +1]

VS

Cusceni Grin, Halberdier: Battered
Happy, Halberdier: Healthy
Marco the Black, Halberdier: Healthy
Roberto Cuss, Arbalest (Ranged): Healthy
Lugi the Sly, Arbalest (Ranged): Healthy

>Combat = 51DC [Healthy +5DC, Veterans +5DC, Full-plate +15DC, x 2 Battle Brother +20DC, Schiltron Formation +6DC]
>Armour Value = 36AV [Full-Plate +30AV, Schiltron Formation +6AV, Freeblade Men of Steel +5AV, Avenger -5AV]
>Combat Re-Rolls = 0

Crit-fail = Suffer a mighty blow (3 degrees of damage sustained AND disarmed)
0 Success = Suffer a solid blow (2 degrees of damage sustained)
1 Success = Exchange glancing blows (1 degree of damage inflicted and sustained)
2 Success = Inflict a solid blow (2 degrees of damage inflicted)
3 Success = Inflict a mighty blow (3 degrees of damage inflicted)
Crit-pass = Inflict a killing blow (what it says on the tin)

Doubles Pass = +1 damage ignores opponent AV or Dismounted/Disarmed penalty
Doubles Fail = Dismounted and/or Disarmed penalty


(1) Personal Combat
>DC 63
>3 rolls of 1d100

(2) Ranged Combat
>DC 50
>2 rolls of 1d100

(3) Battle Progress: Evenly Matched
>50DC
>3 rolls of 1d100. Surprise attack allows you to re-roll all fails this first round.

8 rolls of 1d100, kniggas.

Their formation must break.
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Rolled 64 (1d100)

>>3924900
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Rolled 67 (1d100)

nat 1
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Rolled 38 (1d100)

>>3924900
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Rolled 18 (1d100)

>>3924900
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Rolled 94 (1d100)

>>3924900
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Rolled 85 (1d100)

>>3924900
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>>3924901
>>3924904
>>3924907
>>3924908
I see it's begun already
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Rolled 3 (1d100)

>>3924900
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Rolled 72 (1d100)

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>>3924900
>>3924911
Forgot to link again
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Rolled 98 (1d100)

>>3924900
>>3924911
Re-rolling
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>>3924914
Fuk my life
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>>3924908
You get a reroll
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>>3924917
How about personal combat? Do we get to reroll or nah?
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>>3924921
Well we have 4 to use. I think we should save at least two.
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>>3924921
You have one of the failures so I would say go ahead and use one and see where we end up
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>>3924901
>>3924904
>>3924905
>1 Success
These two >>3924901 >>3924904 may re-roll at their discretion.

>>3924906
>>3924907
>1 Hit
This one >>3924907 may re-roll due to Bluejay marksmanship

>>3924908
>>3924910
>>3924911
>>3924914
>1 Success
This one >>3924908 may still use the surprise attack re-roll
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Rolled 11 (1d100)

>>3924900
>>3924901
I'm rerolling mine since it's better to finish this quickly
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>>3924933
Doubles woooo!
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>>3924933
Nice one
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>>3924933
thanks m8 didn't trust myself
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Rolled 86 (1d100)

>>3924907
>>3924932
Re-roll
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Rolled 98, 23 = 121 (2d100)

QM rolling for Langlish crossbows.

>50DC
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>>3924932
Yo Forgotten you forgot to tweet about the new thread.
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>>3924943
Oh well
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>>3924945
Oh yup, will do. Cheers for the reminder.
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>>3924908
As it makes no sense not to use a re-roll here, I will open up this Battle Progress re-roll to any anon willing to try his luck.
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Rolled 32 (1d100)

>>3924933
Nice!!


>>3924953
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Rolled 17 (1d100)

>>3924908
>>3924953
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Rolled 70 (1d100)

>>3924953
Rerolling
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>>3924955
Good job mate
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Rolled 4, 2 = 6 (2d5)

>QM rolling to allocate ranged hits.
>1st Roll = Langlish Crossbow
1 = Sir Emile Andrei (AV 70 – Cautious Advance)
2 = Young Lord Damien Andrei (AV 60 – Cautious Advance)
3 = Sir Neil dan Marc (AV 60 – Cautious Advance)
4 = Comrade JayJay (AV 20 – Good cover)
5 = Comrade Dennick (AV 20 – Good cover)

>2nd Roll = Bluejay Marksman
1 = Cusceni Grin, Halberdier (AV 30 – forming lines)
2 = Happy, Halberdier (AV 30 – forming lines)
3 = Marco the Black, Halberdier (AV 30 – forming lines)
4 = Roberto Cuss, Arbalest (AV 40 – Good cover)
5 = Lugi the Sly, Arbalest (AV 40 – Good cover)
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Comrade JayJay = 20AV [Leather Armour +10AV, Good Cover +20AV, Piercing Crossbow -10AV]

1 roll of 1d100 for Comrade JayJay, please.
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Rolled 31 (1d100)

>>3924969
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Rolled 81 (1d100)

>>3924969
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>>3924895
You are correct that crossbows take longer to load than bows. For ranged shots I assume that 1 roll can account for either numerous rapid volley shots or a single well-placed shaft. So while you only roll twice for your ranged companions per round they might be getting more shots than that off in the seconds the melee goes on.
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Rolled 55 (1d100)

QM rolling for Langlish AV.

Happy, Halberdier = 36 [Full-plate +30AV, Halberd +10AV, Schiltron Formation +6AV]
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>>3924975
Doesn't that mean we should have a higher chance of hitting since our archers have more rapid fire shots due to much faster rerloading time?
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Rolled 38, 85 = 123 (2d100)

>Personal Combat Results
>2 Success!
>Double Success!

QM Rolling for Langlish Halberdier AV (end damage halved due to cautious)

>36AV [Full-Plate +30AV, Schiltron Formation +6AV, Freeblade Men of Steel +5AV, Avenger -5AV]
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>>3924982
You make a fair point, though you'll forgive me if I don't pause the battle to make the distinction now. In the future I suppose I will have to make a better accounting of the weapon difference between bows, crossbows and even javelins.
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>>3924987
No problem Forgotten. I just hope it doesn't make a big difference in this battle before you change it in the future
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Aaa, Forgotten quest dice, I've missed thee.
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Claiming id
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>miss first two hours over the quest due to oversleeping and Forgotten being less than punctual
>Firsat round has our brother and a comrade reduced to battered and barely doing any damage

On the upside our trinket finally worked should we start warming up the Shekels?
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> Battle Progress +1 [6/10]
> 2 Damage Inflicted
> Halberdier Cusceni Grin is Wounded!
> Halberdier Happy is Battered!
>Comrade JayJay is Battered!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSEU5zHgcTc – Freeblade Battle Chorus

”Brace! Brace! Time to earn your coin, boys!” Despite the odds with their depleted numbers there is, if anything, an excited gleam in the Langlish lieutenant’s eye as a Bluejay shaft flickers over his shoulder, inches away from ending his life. He whistles with raised eyebrows at the near miss and dons his plumed helmet when your formation finally closes the distance and crashes into the halberd line. “Men of Langland, stop your dreaming…”

Can’t you see their spearpoints gleaming?
See their warrior pennants streaming,
To this battlefield!

Men of Langland stand ye steady,
It cannot be ever said ye,
For the battle were not ready,
Langlish never yield!

Men of Langland on to glory,
This will ever be your story!
Keep these burning words before ye,
Langlish never yield!


[1/2]
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>>3925014
Is the win condition to Battle Progress 10?
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>>3925014
>2 Damage Inflicted
What about the doubles pass effect of this>>3924933?
>Doubles Pass = +1 damage ignores opponent AV or Dismounted/Disarmed penalty
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>>3925014
So we're going to pull a prince and end the fecker in the Helm right?
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>>3925014

[2/2]

The halberd. A commoner’s sort of weapon, though one rarely seen in Cantôn outside of the more well equipped militias and levies. A peasant’s weapon and unworthy of a knight yes, but the men behind the hafts of these ones seem like they know how to use them. No peasant would be allowed to wear such ostentatious garb and livery like these peacocking Langlish foreigners, but their garish colours belie an impressive discipline that manages to absorb the worst of your surprise assault even as their formation still forms. The wicked bristling points of their formation resembles an armoured hedgehog, and the prospect of assaulting that is worrying enough to distract from their damnable singing…

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(1) Combat Stance: You are not facing a Blademaster, you may dictate the combat stance at your discretion.
>Cautious - Double AV (Max 80), Total unsaved damage to Foe is halved (Rounding up)
>Guarded - Exchange of Blows does not inflict or sustain damage.
>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged.
>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled
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>>3925018
Yes.

>>3925022
I took that into account, the cautious aspect only affected the base damage inflicted by the 2 Success in personal combat.
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>>3925027
>>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled

"Dead men can spend no coin."
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>>3925027
>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled

Need to end this with haste.

>>3925030
Oh then okay
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>>3925027
>>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.

We need to quickly deal more damage so as to break the deadlock since our allies are in no position to play the long game behind armour.
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>>3925027
>>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
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>>3925027
>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled

Break the line while we're healthy we cant afford to drag this out.
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>>3925027
>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted
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>>3925027
>Balanced
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>>3925027
>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled
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>>3925027
>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
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>>3925027
>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled
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I need a tie-breaker roll.

>Audacious
>Belligerent

First to roll under DC 50 gets their pick.
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Rolled 13 (1d100)

>>3925071
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Rolled 100 (1d100)

>>3925071
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>>3925074
Holy moly it's good I got this out of the way
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>>3925074
THANKS MATE.

We're getting that nat 100 out of the damn way.
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>>3925072
How about you pick something dumbnut
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>>3925072
Going with my vote then >>3925037

>>3925078
Hopefully that's the only 100 we get this run....
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>>3925083
His previous vote was for Belligerent so i think we can assume its for that.
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>>3925087
Ah yes. So the dumbnut all along.... was me
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>>3925083
I already voted dumbnut.
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>>3925092
Its a numbat you idots
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Sandag, 24th Day of Ovrimun, 883 A.C.E – Fallavon Forest Ruins, Midday
The Assault on the Side Passage

>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
>Battle Progress: EVENLY MATCHED (50DC). Your side has the advantage in initiative and numbers but the superior equipment, discipline and advantageous position of your opponent means they have a decent chance at repelling you.
>Skirmish (dozens of combatants): Wining Personal Combat will add +20DC to Battle Progress and +1 Battle Re-Roll.
>On Foot: As you are not mounted, you will have little choice in where the chaotic melee leads you, tactically.

Sir Emile Andrei, Young Knight of Romaine: [/green]Healthy[/green]
Young Lord Damien Andrei, Heir to House Andrei: Battered
Sir Neil dan Marc, Sworn Man to Sir Andrei: Battered
Comrade JayJay, Bluejay Rebel (Ranged): Battered
Comrade Dennick, Bluejay Rebel (Ranged): [/green]Healthy[/green]
>Combat = +64DC [Healthy +5DC, Strong +5DC, Castle-forged Arming Sword +5DC, Breastplate and Helm +10DC, Damien Andrei +15DC, Sir dan Marc +15DC, Blademaster +10DC, Law of Adam +4DC]
>Armour Value = 40AV [Breastplate and Helm +20AV, Heater Shield +20AV, Guardian +5AV, Halberds blows -5AV]
>Combat Re-Rolls = 3 [Holy Orders +1, Courageous Sky +1, Lady's Favour +1, Lucky Charm +0]

VS

Cusceni Grin, Halberdier: Wounded
Happy, Halberdier: Battered
Marco the Black, Halberdier: [/green]Healthy[/green]
Roberto Cuss, Arbalest (Ranged): [/green]Healthy[/green]
Lugi the Sly, Arbalest (Ranged): [/green]Healthy[/green]
>Combat = 51DC [Healthy +5DC, Veterans +5DC, Full-plate +15DC, x 2 Battle Brother +20DC, Schiltron Formation +6DC]
>Armour Value = 36AV [Full-Plate +30AV, Schiltron Formation +6AV, Freeblade Men of Steel +5AV, Avenger -5AV]
>Combat Re-Rolls = 0

Crit-fail = Suffer a mighty blow (3 degrees of damage sustained AND disarmed)
0 Success = Suffer a solid blow (2 degrees of damage sustained)
1 Success = Exchange glancing blows (1 degree of damage inflicted and sustained)
2 Success = Inflict a solid blow (2 degrees of damage inflicted)
3 Success = Inflict a mighty blow (3 degrees of damage inflicted)
Crit-pass = Inflict a killing blow (what it says on the tin)

Doubles Pass = +1 damage ignores opponent AV or Dismounted/Disarmed penalty
Doubles Fail = Dismounted and/or Disarmed penalty


(1) Personal Combat
>DC 63
>3 rolls of 1d100

(2) Ranged Combat
>DC 50
>2 rolls of 1d100

(3) Battle Progress: Evenly Matched [6]
>50DC
>3 rolls of 1d100.

8 rolls of 1d100, kniggas.

You are the vanguard, force an opening!
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Rolled 66 (1d100)

>>3925131
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One of these days I will get out a battle roll with no formatting errors.
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Rolled 91 (1d100)

>>3925131
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Rolled 76 (1d100)

>>3925131
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Rolled 8 (1d100)

>>3925131
URSEN
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Rolled 89 (1d100)

>>3925131
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Rolled 68 (1d100)

>>3925131
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Rolled 69 (1d100)

>>3925131
Pls no critfail again
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Rolled 22 (1d100)

>>3925131
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Rolled 76 (1d100)

>>3925131
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>>3925133
>>3925135
>>3925138

Oh for fucks sake... Guys, I suggest we try to pass one first. Test to see if we can at least get one pass.
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jesus
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Rolled 85 (1d100)

>>3925131
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>>3925133
>>3925135
>>3925138
>0 Success, you may re-roll at your discretion.

>>3925139
>>3925141
>1 Hit.
You may re-roll the miss due to Bluejay Marksmanship.

>>3925144
>>3925145
>>3925147
>1 Success
You will lose battle progress but the double will net you a Bluejay battle brother.
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Rolled 84 (1d100)

>>3925133
Re-rolling, please be good >>3925159
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Rolled 13 (1d100)

>>3925135
Re-roll
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2 rerolls on mellee don't waste the favour
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>tg dice
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>all these rolls

Holy shit dice gods I was only kidding about Shekel jesus
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Rolled 95 (1d100)

>>3925138
>reroll
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Rolled 58 (1d100)

>>3925141
>>3925159
Re-rolling please be good
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>>3925141
reroll the blue jay
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We should hold off the last reroll in reserve. We should be able to tank a 40AV hi- aannnn fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu >>3925169
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>>3925169
>>3925163
>>3925164

You guys spent those re-rolls like a sailor on shore leave. Good fucking luck.
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>>3925131
Shouldn't battle progress DC be 70?
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>>3925179
Mine succeeded though
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Rolled 74, 23 = 97 (2d100)

Rolling for Langlish Crossbows.

>DC 50


>>3925180
You have to actually win your Personal Combat to make a difference, not just a round.
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kinda a bit miffed that we lost the ladys favour without a vote
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Rolled 4, 1, 2 = 7 (3d5)

> QM rolling to allocate ranged hits.


>1st Roll = Langlish Crossbow
1 = Sir Emile Andrei
2 = Young Lord Damien Andrei
3 = Sir Neil dan Marc
4 = Comrade JayJay
5 = Comrade Dennick

>2nd & 3rd Roll = Bluejay Marksman
1 = Cusceni Grin, Halberdier
2 = Happy, Halberdier
3 = Marco the Black, Halberdier
4 = Roberto Cuss, Arbalest
5 = Lugi the Sly, Arbalest
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>>3925179
ahh its just like old times
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>>3925190
It will recharge, in time. But that's how re-rolls work in this quest, anon discretion.
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>>3925211
oh i thought ladys favour was burned when used?
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>>3925216
or is that only in tourneys
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>>3925216
Nah thats why its useful

This is why going full CHAD and getting as many favors as possible as a coppeclipper is a intresting idea
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>>3925207

QM rolling for


>>3925216
Burning re-rolls in different, and would require a vote to ensure an auto-success. I definitely need to condense this into one image posted at the beginning of threads.
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>>3925221
wonder if that snarky blue jay whore can give a favour
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>>3925222
>QM rolling for
QM fucking up
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>>3925211
Does it recharge during the battle?
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>>3925235
doubt it unless its a siege
>BC flash backs
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Rolled 95, 17, 21 = 133 (3d100)

>Langlish AV
QM rolling for


Personal Combat
>1 Success
>Exchange of Blows

Rolling for Langlish AV

1st Roll = Beligerent Strike. If this inflicts damage then +1 damage shall be inflicted.
>AV 36.

2nd Roll = Ranged Hit, Cusceni.
>AV 36.

3rd Roll = Ranged Hit, Happy.
>AV 36
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>>3925235
Not if they're in rapid succession.

Which means if we need it in a subsequent battle, we're fucked.
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>>3925239
? belligerent doesn't proc on one success need at least 2
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>>3925239
Oh, nice hit on the Belligerent Strike. Glad to see you're back!
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Bugger, you're right. So there was really absolutely no point to that re-roll. Haha, fuck
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>>3925239
>>3925244
Also Exchange of Blows shouldn't inflict damage.
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>>3925253
not taking 2 degrees of damage is what the reroll gave us so we only took one
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1st Roll Sir Emile Andrei = 40AV [Breastplate and Helm +20AV, Heater Shield +20AV, Guardian +5AV, Halberds blows -5AV]

2nd Comrade JayJay = 20AV [Leather Armour +10AV, Good Cover +20AV, Piercing Crossbow -10AV]

2 rolls of 1d100 for AV, please.
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Rolled 77 (1d100)

>>3925258
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>>3925255
no that's cautious we are taking damage with belligerent
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>>3925256
A fair point but not, in my opinion, worth shooting the entire re-roll load early.
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Rolled 92 (1d100)

>>3925258
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>>3925225
Silly anon you don't fuck proto-socialists

You fuck them up because you're bourgeois
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Rolled 76 (1d100)

>>3925258
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Rolled 63 (1d100)

>>3925258
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>>3925265
>not exploiting the worker
>never gonna make it
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Oh man those rolls.

This is kinda ducked. I really think the bow vs crossbow difference should have been accounted since it seems its gonna have a big effect for this battle
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What a shitshow.Thanks Damien.
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>>3925279
>ducked
Fucked* autocorrect missing with me
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>>3925279
I can't believe how it got worse in the time it took me to catch up the thread.

Damn.

Those crossbows fire pretty fast.
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Guys what do you think about doing a hail Mary by going audacious next round? I don't think this battle will end in our favor of it goes for long at this point.
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landsknecht OP plox nerf forgotten
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>>3925287
Yeah they shouldn't be able to be loaded for every round. It's too fast
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>>3925289
no
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>>3925289
worth a shot we are getting reamed as is.
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>>3925282
This shitshow is because of the re-roll wasting which I don't remember Damien doing...
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>>3925289
if we kill just one they lose 10 dc man just wait for our moment
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How does the health table go again?

How many more hits to kill that first guy?
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>>3925299
Repeating crossbow
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>>3925314
He's wounded so we need two more hits.
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>>3925308
66 would have been a double fail. You want to be disarmed at this stage?
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>>3925317
Even if they have that that it shouldn't reload as fast as bows honestly
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Clearly we keep failing for our lack of praise to the dice gods.
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maybe bows deserve a higher dc maybe 60 they have no ap
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Rolled 12 (1d100)

I INVOKE THE POWER OF MACHO MAN RANDY SAVAGE TO TURN US AWAY FROM THE WRATH OF THE DICE GODS
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Sorry, update incoming.
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>>3925330
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>>3925373

We swear to join the Holy Ordos of Dice Gods.
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>Sir Emile Andrei is Battered!
>Comrade JayJay is Injured!
>-1 Battle Progress [5]
>Gained Bluejay Battle Buddy!

The press is madness, packed so tightly in you can barely bring your arming sword up in a thrust let alone make space for a swing. There’s no room to manoeuvre, no possibility of brining you superior swordsmanship to bear in a heaving press of armoured bodies. You see your brother chest to chest with a snarling Langlish merc, they clutch at each other ungainly like lovers in their first awkward embrace. It’s little different for yourself. Your own foreign opponent, catching your thrust on his halberd haft, twists and trips you by pure accident. His grin underneath the sallet helm is almost apologetic, as if he had bumped into you on the street and meant to beg your pardon. You laugh aloud at the bizarreness of it, and the man’s apologetic smile turns into a worried frown at this mad laughing knight.

By sheer fluke a crossbow bolt flicks into your vision and the halberdier uses that moment to swing his polearm down into a solid blow where your neck meets the shoulder. The warmth of blood spilling in your armour lets you know the skin has been broken, but it can’t be deep. If it was, you’d most certainly be dead. Nonetheless, Lady Sinclair’s favour will probably be somewhat marred. The Langlish mercenary gives you another sheepish grin and you shrug as if to acknowledge the touch.

[1/2]
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>>3925373
which quest is dat from
?
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>>3925393

[2/2]

A Bluejay spearman yelps as he stumbles back into you from the swing of a halberd. You catch him and prevent both you slipping in the muck, a lethal misstep if there ever was one here. The battle seems to hang on a knifes edge, the Langlish lines could give or the Bluejay assault could falter at any moment now.

------------------------------------------------

(1) Combat Stance: You are not facing a Blademaster, you may dictate the combat stance at your discretion.
>Cautious - Double AV (Max 80), Total unsaved damage to Foe is halved (Rounding up)
>Guarded - Exchange of Blows does not inflict or sustain damage.
>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged.
>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled
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>>3925404
>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.

Let's go with belligerent for this round. Our odds haven't become dim enough for a Hail Mary yet.
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>>3925404
>>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged.
remember our battered bonus's
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>>3925404
>>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged.
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>>3925408
>battered bonus's
What's that?
>>
ACTIVATED
>In Our Prayers: The first time you take unsaved damage, gain +1 Combat Re-Roll [Once-per-day]
>Mark of Cain +5DC to Combat when less than Healthy
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>>3925404
>>3925407
>>3925414
>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged.
Changing
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>>3925412
+ 5dc from cain and in our prayers
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>>3925404
>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled
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>>3925396
Dwarf fortress quest, if I recall correctly.
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>>3925404
>>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
>>
>>3925404
>>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged.
>>
>>3925404
>>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged.
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>>3925404
>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged.
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>>3925420
Changing to

>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
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>>3925404
>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
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Sandag, 24th Day of Ovrimun, 883 A.C.E – Fallavon Forest Ruins, Midday
The Assault on the Side Passage

>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged.
>Battle Progress: EVENLY MATCHED (50DC). Your side has the advantage in initiative and numbers but the superior equipment, discipline and advantageous position of your opponent means they have a decent chance at repelling you.
>Skirmish (dozens of combatants): Wining Personal Combat will add +20DC to Battle Progress and +1 Battle Re-Roll.
>On Foot: As you are not mounted, you will have little choice in where the chaotic melee leads you, tactically.

Sir Emile Andrei, Young Knight of Romaine: Battered
Young Lord Damien Andrei, Heir to House Andrei: Battered
Sir Neil dan Marc, Sworn Man to Sir Andrei: Battered
Comrade JayJay, Bluejay Rebel Marksman (Ranged): Injured
Comrade Dennick, Bluejay Rebel Marksman (Ranged): Healthy

>Combat = +74DC [Battered +0DC, Strong +5DC, Castle-forged Arming Sword +5DC, Breastplate and Helm +10DC, Damien Andrei +15DC, Sir dan Marc +15DC, Blademaster +10DC, Law of Adam +4DC, Bluejay Battle Brother +10DC, Mark of Cain +5DC]
>Armour Value = 80AV [Breastplate and Helm +20AV, Heater Shield +20AV, Guardian +5AV, Halberds blows -5AV]
>Combat Re-Rolls = 1 [In Our Prayers +1, Holy Orders +0, Courageous Sky +0, Lady's Favour +0, Lucky Charm +0]

VS

Cusceni Grin, Freeblade Halberdier: Wounded
Happy, Freeblade Halberdier: Battered
Marco the Black, Freeblade Halberdier: Healthy
Roberto Cuss, Freeblade Arbalest (Ranged): Healthy
Lugi the Sly, Freeblade Arbalest (Ranged): Healthy


>Combat = 51DC [Healthy +5DC, Veterans +5DC, Full-plate +15DC, x 2 Battle Brother +20DC, Schiltron Formation +6DC]
>Armour Value = 36AV [Full-Plate +30AV, Schiltron Formation +6AV, Freeblade Men of Steel +5AV, Avenger -5AV]
>Combat Re-Rolls = 0

Crit-fail = Suffer a mighty blow (3 degrees of damage sustained AND disarmed)
0 Success = Suffer a solid blow (2 degrees of damage sustained)
1 Success = Exchange glancing blows (1 degree of damage inflicted and sustained)
2 Success = Inflict a solid blow (2 degrees of damage inflicted)
3 Success = Inflict a mighty blow (3 degrees of damage inflicted)
Crit-pass = Inflict a killing blow (what it says on the tin)
Doubles Pass = +1 damage ignores opponent AV or Dismounted/Disarmed penalty
Doubles Fail = Dismounted and/or Disarmed penalty


(1) Personal Combat
>DC 73
>3 rolls of 1d100

(2) Ranged Combat
>DC 50
>2 rolls of 1d100

(3) Battle Progress: Evenly Matched [5]
>50DC
>3 rolls of 1d100.

8 rolls of 1d100, kniggas.

Press forward, regain the advantage!
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Rolled 94 (1d100)

>>3925459
DICE GODS BLESS US WITH FORTUNE
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Rolled 77 (1d100)

>>3925459
Wew I'm late
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Rolled 97 (1d100)

>>3925459
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Rolled 4 (1d100)

>>3925459
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>>3925460
>>3925462
>>3925463
Yeah, fuck you too dice gods. It's the Almighty and Salve Regina from now on.
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>>3925462
Drat.
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Rolled 81 (1d100)

>>3925459
DEU-

>>3925460
>>3925462
>>3925463
Oh cain on the cross
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>>3925462 Should reroll
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Rolled 47 (1d100)

>>3925459
Guse we are dieing tonight boys
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>>3925470
It reminds you of Gabriel doesn't it?
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>>3925472
>rerolls

we're out anon
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>>3925478
No we have In Our Prayers re-rolls. Do we use it or save it for later?
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>>3925478
We have one
>>3925414
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>>3925478
We have 1 from In Our Prayers
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Rolled 44 (1d100)

>>3925459
Here goes nothing.
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>>3925480
>>3925481
>>3925483
woops
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>>3925460
>>3925462
>>3925463
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Will we get disarmed if we don't use the re-roll?
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>>3925489
I swear you could give us a 95DC and it would be 96 97 98
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>>3925462
Gota re roll that shit.
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Rolled 26 (1d100)

>>3925459
>>
at least battle progress went well....
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>>3925473
>>3925484
>>3925497
This is good though.
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>>3925492
This is why I despise roll under systems.

>>3925462
You should re-roll this awful double fail

>>3925484
>>3925497
>>3925473

At least the battle progress rolls are good. We got a double pass
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reroll that 77 we can't lose a shield or sword
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>>3925460
>>3925462
>>3925463
>0 Success
>1 Double Fail
Can't re-roll doubles. Use the re-roll for the others at your discretion, or take the hit.

>>3925464
>>3925470
>1 hit
You can re-roll this due to Bluejay marksmanship.

>>3925473
>>3925484
>>3925497
>3 success
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>>3925505
>Can't re-roll doubles. Use the re-roll for the others at your discretion, or take the hit.
Oh for fuck sake's let's save it then.
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>we are getting dabed on by bloody bluejay peasants
adam cain plz help
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>>3924930
Claiming this ID. Had to step out with the missus for pizza and beer. How did we do?

>Read the updates
By the Almighty...
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Rolled 46 (1d100)

>>3925505
Re-rolling Bluejay skills
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So guys, can we all agree now helping the rebels was a terrible idea?
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>>3925462
>>3925463
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>>3925505
Ficking rip
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As others have pointed out, Crossbows firing every few seconds makes little sense so we will give this a miss this round.
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>>3925512
Welcome to Gabriel 2: Electric Boogaloo.
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>>3925505
Does the double pass we get from this>>3925484
do fuck all?
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so if we lose the shield will that affect our av for this round or the next?
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Rolled 1, 3 = 4 (2d5)

QM rolling to allocate Bluejay ranged hits.

1 = Cusceni Grin, Halberdier
2 = Happy, Halberdier
3 = Marco the Black, Halberdier
4 = Roberto Cuss, Arbalest
5 = Lugi the Sly, Arbalest
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Rolled 10, 44 = 54 (2d100)

>>3925524
Next round.

>>3925525
Rolling AV for the Langlish

1st Roll = Ranged Hit, Cusceni.
>AV 36

2nd Roll = Ranged Hit, Marco the Black.
>AV 36
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>>3925529
>Dis knigga and these AV saves
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>>3925523
Another Bluejay Battle Buddy. Really, from the looks of things you're getting wailed on by the main Langlish line while the Bluejays press on.
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>>3925529
Forgotten stealing the combined luck of all the anons here confirmed
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>>3925510
>Sam Wyte discovers something he didn't even know was possible: something to give him an even lower opinion of the nobility
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>>3925534
how will we live this down will we put up our sword shield return to our castle and become a family man
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>>3925536
Truly the bear is the gift that keeps on giving.
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>>3925534
So we're being used as a meat shield. Which actually I would totally expect the Bluejays to do.
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>>3925529
We really can't catch a break can we?

Holy shit at this rate we may as well make plans for Knight number 3
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>>3925534
Meanwhile in the tournament we crit the Marquis and nearly get ourselves hanged
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>>3925317
Was shit at armor piercing.
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>>3925544
I still think we should play Shekel Knight if Emile dies.
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We're now wounded and without a shield. If we sustain more than 1 hit it's death door time. FUCK

>>3925543
Nah we're just getting BTFO while the Bluejays are actually fighting well
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Personal Combat Results
>0 Success (Suffer a solid blow, 2 Damage)
>Double Fail, no AV, Sir Emile Andrei is Injured!

Sir Emile Andrei = 40AV [Breastplate and Helm +20AV, Heater Shield +20AV, Guardian +5AV, Halberds blows -5AV]

2 rolls of 1d100 for Sir Andrei's AV. You have 1 Re-roll from Shield of Martyrs.

If he fails both, a death's door event will be required.
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>>3925544
No shekel knight pls
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Rolled 71 (1d100)

>>3925551
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Rolled 17 (1d100)

>>3925551
Merciful Salve Regina please...
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Rolled 50 (1d100)

>>3925551
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Rolled 42 (1d100)

>>3925551
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Rolled 44 (1d100)

>>3925551
your maths is wrong we would be at wounded
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>>3925554
>>3925556
WEW!
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>>3925545
Timing is, as they say, everything.

I didn't think about it before, but the Marquis incident would actually go over well with the Bluejays.
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Rolled 88 (1d100)

>>3925551
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>>3925556
Thank you sweet Salve Regina I love you

>>3925554
Wanna roll yours?
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>>3925554
You have the Shield of Martyrs option to re-roll if you like. But saving it for a companion death's door event might be wiser
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Rolled 36 (1d100)

>>3925548
It would be a nice change of pace, we'vetried Idealism and pride twice now

>>3925552
Shekel knight is inveitable anon

>>3925564
>>3925566
Re-roll
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>>3925561
>"Cain save me, they're now following me home like entertained friends after they heard about my near murder of the Marquis. "
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>>3925556
And they say prayer doesn't work.

Works almost as good as rapid fire crossbows.
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>>3925568
Oh thank goodness
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>>3925568
NOICE
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>>3925572
You just gotta have FAITH ARTHUR!
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>>3925566
> saving rerolls

Hahahahaha.
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>>3925561
>"I almost killed a Marquis, you know."
>"Did you mean to do it?"
>"Well, no."
>"..."
>"..."
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>>3925556
>>3925568
You did good.

I mean, I'm sad Sir Andrei won't have a badass scar but I'm also happy he isn't... you know...

>>3925569
>Unwanted Bluejay fan club
Fund it
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>>3925578
> Well, I didn't mean to NOT do it. It was a tournament, I wasn't gonna let him win.
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>>3925579
We could go full F.A.T.A.L. and roll for where on the dick he gets injured.
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>>3925580
ALTERNATIVELY:
>"I almost killed a Marquis, you know."
>"Yeah, you seem to be good at *almost* killing people."
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>>3925579
>Unwanted Bluejay fan club
They could be useful in the fight with the dead... That'll really fuck with their perspective
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>>3925585
Alternatively

> I saved a Marquis' life once.

> By stopping beating on him.
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>>3925587
Hey, we should just keep playing Emile.

But as a Deadman enslaved to a Fae Warlord.

You know.

'Cause these crossbows are gonna kill him.
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>>3925582
Ah yes, Black Company and Trooper 'Smiles'.
>Not the face
*rolls*
>It's the face
Disarmed
>Shield [+20AV]
>Castle-forged Arming Sword [+5DC]

First to roll under DC 50 will get their pick.
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Rolled 21 (1d100)

>>3925594
What will be our DC with our sword?
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Rolled 73 (1d100)

>>3925594
Sword

I want to go full Captain america
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>>3925599
>with
Without*
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>>3925600
>Not Captain Canton
Anon....
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>>3925602
shit thats so much better
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>>3925599
>What will be our DC without our sword?
pls respond
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>>3925599
+0DC, because you'll have your dirk. But lose that and you're at -20DC.
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>>3925600
Lose the sword, go Guarded next round and pray that the Battle Progress rolls can carry us kek
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>>3925609
>>3925594
>>3925599
>Castle-forged Arming Sword [+5DC]
CAPTAIN CANTON TIME
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>>3925602
>>3925607
-5 to DC
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>>3925600
>>3925602

Haha, I didn't even realise. Yeah okay, I'll allow it. We'll say you don't actually draw your dirk until you need it.
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>>3925609
>>3925599
So losing 5 and maybe getting another 10 from a Bluejay battle buddy joining in? Sword sounds like the obvious choice.
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>>3925607
It's gotta be at least -15(-5 for the sword it plus -10 for blademaster). I guess we have a dirk to pull so we wouldn't be completely unarmed. Does the dirk count for blademaster?
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>>3925614
Super Donut steel shield when?
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>>3925618
A dirk is a blade so it should be
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>>3925618
Ah, you're right. Obviously Blademaster doesn't work with just daggers.

>>3925620
I think losing your main weapon means Blademaster should be hampered at least, so I'll halve it's value to 5DC.
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>>3925625
>not cutting with your fists
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>>3925625
Ignore my posts. It's the rambling nonsense of a madman
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>>3925628
>Not cutting with your PATRIOTISM
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>>3925632
Patriotism? Maybe this is Salvae Reginae saying this is what happens when you side with a bunch of peasant rabblerousers.
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>Sir Emile Andrei is Injured!
>Comrade JayJay is Injured!
>+2 Battle Progress [7]
>Gained Bluejay Battle Buddy!
It is impossible to fight gracefully in this madness, impossible to think, impossible to breath. How can men stand it? This isn’t fighting, this is just a chaotic mass of bodies where your survival depends entirely on luck rather than skill. A slip, a misstep in melee, and before you know it you’re scrambling for your sword in the dirt as three Langlish mercenaries wail on you with full-bodied blows from their halberds. You cower half crouched as your shield begins to disintegrate, it’s all you can do just to avoid the worst of their strikes.

Something gives in your chest as another hammerblow from a halberd slams into your unguarded side. A rib, definitely a rib. Broken. It hurts, but you can still breathe. You’re not coughing up blood yet so, according to your old master-at-arms, your lung is at least intact. No reason to quit now, you can do this all day.

Almighty knows what caused the sudden press to change direction but in a few moments the Langlish halberdiers are pushed back and your vision is filled with more Bluejay rebels forging ahead and disrupting the mercenary formation. You hiss in pain as you rise to your feet once more and join the fray.

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(1) Combat Stance: You are not facing a Blademaster, you may dictate the combat stance at your discretion.
>Cautious - Double AV (Max 80), Total unsaved damage to Foe is halved (Rounding up)
>Guarded - Exchange of Blows does not inflict or sustain damage.
>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged.
>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled
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>>3925640
>>Cautious - Double AV (Max 80), Total unsaved damage to Foe is halved (Rounding up)
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>>3925640
>>Guarded - Exchange of Blows does not inflict or sustain damage.
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>>3925640
>Guarded - Exchange of Blows does not inflict or sustain damage.
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>>3925640
>>Guarded - Exchange of Blows does not inflict or sustain damage.
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>3925640
>Guarded - Exchange of Blows does not inflict or sustain damage.
>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled
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Test and claiming ID
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>>3925640
>>3925651
Messed up again fuck I need to calm down i'm getting stressed
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>>3925640
what where did damage come from we we took 2 degrees and saved both we didn't take damage vs vance well when we double failed
>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
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>>3925640
>Cautious - Double AV (Max 80), Total unsaved damage to Foe is halved (Rounding up)
At this point we should tank while the rebels do the damage
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>>3925640
>Guarded - Exchange of Blows does not inflict or sustain damage.
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>>3925640
>Guarded - Exchange of Blows does not inflict or sustain damage.
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>>3925656
>what where did damage come from we we took 2 degrees and saved both we didn't take damage vs vance well when we double failed

Yeah we should be wounded or still battered since the AV saved us from sustaining both hits
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>>3925640
>Guarded - Exchange of Blows does not inflict or sustain damage.
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>>3925656
>what where did damage come from we we took 2 degrees and saved both we didn't take damage vs vance well when we double failed

Fuck, I checked the spoiler and you're right. Double fails don't inflict +1 damage, just double-passes. This is embarrassing, I'll fix it up later. For now, we can assume Sir Andrei thinks the wound is worse than it actually is.
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>>3925551
>Personal Combat Results
>>0 Success (Suffer a solid blow, 2 Damage)
>>Double Fail, no AV, Sir Emile Andrei is Injured!
We saved the crossbow bolts not the melee damage
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>>3925656
Doubles Pass = +1 damage ignores opponent AV or Dismounted/Disarmed penalty
Doubles Fail = Dismounted and/or Disarmed penalty

like for our opponent it's a choice between disarmed or +1 one damage no av but for us we get both penalty's
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>>3925663
Shit can we redo the stance vote?

>>3925640
>>3925651
>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled
Changing to either of these
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>>3925663
Ah fuck, I didn't read it and made the same mistake
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>>3925663
In that case changing this >>3925658 to
>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled
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>>3925640
>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled

Should go with this since Emile is just battered. Forgotten missed up the damage stat
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I'll leave the vote open for 5 more minutes, if people want to change.
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>>3925666
spooky trips
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>>3925641
>>3925643
>>3925648
>>3925649
>>3925657
>>3925659
>>3925662
There's no point in taking guarded or cautious since Emile is actually just battered now and not injured
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>>3925677
So did you miss up the damg or people talking shit? ??
If yes then i might change,
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>>3925681
there is actually we fucked up last round with the same dc
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>>3925683
Emile took a point of damage when he shouldn't have. He is only disarmed, not injured also.

>>3925681
>3 90s later...

Other anons do have point though, the Bluejays are carrying this as it is for now.
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>>3925683
Oh gezz im cant read fack me
Il change to >>3925640
>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled
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>>3925648
Fine I'll change to audacious
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>>3925659
>>3925689
>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled

Full bloodrage then. Kill someone and take their weapon.
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Whelp, Audacious it is then. Let's see how full Captain Canton we go.

Sandag, 24th Day of Ovrimun, 883 A.C.E – Fallavon Forest Ruins, Midday
The Assault on the Side Passage

>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled
>Battle Progress: EVENLY MATCHED (50DC). Your side has the advantage in initiative and numbers but the superior equipment, discipline and advantageous position of your opponent means they have a decent chance at repelling you.
>Skirmish (dozens of combatants): Wining Personal Combat will add +20DC to Battle Progress and +1 Battle Re-Roll.
>On Foot: As you are not mounted, you will have little choice in where the chaotic melee leads you, tactically.

Sir Emile Andrei, Young Knight of Romaine: Battered
Young Lord Damien Andrei, Heir to House Andrei: Battered
Sir Neil dan Marc, Sworn Man to Sir Andrei: Battered
Comrade JayJay, Bluejay Rebel Marksman (Ranged): Injured
Comrade Dennick, Bluejay Rebel Marksman (Ranged): Healthy
>Combat = +74DC [Battered +0DC, Strong +5DC, Dirk +0DC, Breastplate and Helm +10DC, Damien Andrei +15DC, Sir dan Marc +15DC, Blademaster +5DC, Law of Adam +4DC, x2 Bluejay Battle Brother +20DC, Mark of Cain +5DC]
>Armour Value = 40AV [Breastplate and Helm +20AV, Heater Shield +20AV, Guardian +5AV, Halberds blows -5AV]
>Combat Re-Rolls = 1 [In Our Prayers +1, Holy Orders +0, Courageous Sky +0, Lady's Favour +0, Lucky Charm +0]

VS

Cusceni Grin, Freeblade Halberdier: Wounded
Happy, Freeblade Halberdier: Battered
Marco the Black, Freeblade Halberdier: Battered
Roberto Cuss, Freeblade Arbalest (Ranged): Healthy
Lugi the Sly, Freeblade Arbalest (Ranged): Healthy


>Combat = 51DC [Healthy +5DC, Veterans +5DC, Full-plate +15DC, x 2 Battle Brother +20DC, Schiltron Formation +6DC]
>Armour Value = 36AV [Full-Plate +30AV, Schiltron Formation +6AV, Freeblade Men of Steel +5AV, Avenger -5AV]
>Combat Re-Rolls = 0

Crit-fail = Suffer a mighty blow (3 degrees of damage sustained AND disarmed)
0 Success = Suffer a solid blow (2 degrees of damage sustained)
1 Success = Exchange glancing blows (1 degree of damage inflicted and sustained)
2 Success = Inflict a solid blow (2 degrees of damage inflicted)
3 Success = Inflict a mighty blow (3 degrees of damage inflicted)
Crit-pass = Inflict a killing blow (what it says on the tin)
Doubles Pass = +1 damage ignores opponent AV or Dismounted/Disarmed penalty
Doubles Fail = Dismounted and/or Disarmed penalty


(1) Personal Combat
>DC 73
>3 rolls of 1d100

(2) Ranged Combat
>DC 50
>2 rolls of 1d100

(3) Battle Progress: Evenly Matched [7]
>50DC
>3 rolls of 1d100.

8 rolls of 1d100, kniggas.

Press forward, regain the advantage!
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Rolled 27 (1d100)

>>3925699
>>
>everyone changing to Audacious
farewell old friend
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>>3925689
>>3925640
>>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled

Aggresion hasn't failed us just yet, if it does we need to change up tactics and pray the dice gods are merciful.
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I'm taking a short snack break. Be back in a few
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Rolled 43 (1d100)

>>3925699
Here goes nothing!
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Rolled 78 (1d100)

>>3925699
don't fail me now!
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Rolled 73 (1d100)

>>3925699
[Patriotism Intensifies]
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Rolled 71 (1d100)

>>3925699
Time to die
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>>3925700
>>3925704
Captain Canton!
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>>3925707
>>3925708
Clearly the Bluejays don't like Captain Canton
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>>3925703
Puling back on us when shit is about to go down
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Rolled 37 (1d100)

>>3925699
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Rolled 15 (1d100)

>>3925699
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Rolled 98 (1d100)

>>3925699
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>>3925718
oh fuck that was close
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>>3925718
I'm not rolling again my rolls are worse than cancer.
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Okay we're doing better its not awesome but clearly the dice gods approve of Captain Canton

Canton Avengers when?
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>>3925709
We gotta learn some shield techniques.

Maybe something like a shield bash, 1 less damage this turn but a bonus to our attack the next turn if we succeed in throwing the enemy off balance.
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>the dice have always loved leaping canutaur and Audacious
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>>3925705
This would've passed if the baldemaster trait wasn't halved by 5 DC
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>>3925732
yeah i know. I fucked myself
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>>3925737
bad anon tho i reminded him belgerant doesn't work on one success
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>>3925728
Fuck it rework Blademaster into Shield master,

maybe work some perk's into specializing Shield combat also grab some super special shield equipment.

>Mfw Emile shows up with just a shield for a tournament
>Everbody Kniggas laughing their ass off until he starts putting people in the dirt.
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>>3925726
Cap is Marvel.
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>>3925738
We got two degrees of success though so we good.

>>3925732
>>3925737
I don't want to lose a shield any time arrows are flying at us.

Fuck, these are crazy good shooters being able to fire into a melee and all.
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>>3925743
>>Fuck, these are crazy good shooters being able to fire into a melee and all.
More like they have HAXX crossbows
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>>3925739
>>3925741
Fucking pic related

>Not having a Pascae Genius with steampowered armour
>Not Having a Norskiaa champion with a lightening hammer
>Not having Montbrunefag tier Hulk
>Not having Bluejay femme fatale
>Not having Bluejay trickshot archer
>Not having a Giant man....thing
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>>3925746
>Not having Bluejay trickshot archer

Y'all wanted Craig "I'm sooooo pious" McTraitorface instead.

>Not having Bluejay femme fatale

We could have had lady Rabe, but people went full redhead and got some ditz.

>Not having Montbrunefag tier Hulk

I thought that was Sir Rabe?

As for the other three . . . Well. Lots of questing to come.
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Rolled 59 (1d100)

>>3925699
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>>3925752
To be fair the source for femme fatale is a redhead sooooooo.....
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>>3925746
Also this

>>3924727
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>>3925758
And also useless . . . Hrmmm, maybe we do have our black widow.
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Reginae wept, fellow kniggas.

What the fuuuck. This whole encounter.
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>>3925746
>>3925762
Supposed to be this

http://icanbecreative.com/article/the-avengers-medieval-fantasy-warriors/
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I have to take a long break to cook dinner and walk the dogs in 45 minutes so I'll power on until then and then we will have a 3 hour break. Not ideal, but that's how it is.
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>>3925776
All good Forgotten, this is only a game after all, have to live your life as well
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Rolled 23, 76 = 99 (2d100)

>>3925700
>>3925704
>>3925705
>2 Success

>>3925707
>>3925708
0 hits

>>3925714
>>3925717
>>3925718
>2 Success

QM rolling for Langlish Crossbowmen.

>AV 50
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Rolled 1 (1d5)

QM rolling for allocation of ranged hit.

1 = Sir Emile Andrei
2 = Young Lord Damien Andrei
3 = Sir Neil dan Marc
4 = Comrade JayJay
5 = Comrade Dennick
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>>3925787
fug
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>>3925786
Only targeting us.

In a melee.

Every turn.

With armour piercing.

> Crossbows are OP.
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Rolled 66, 66 = 132 (2d100)

>>3925787
Haha, shieet.


Personal Combat Results
>2 Success
>Inflict a solid blow (2 damage)

QM rolling for Langlish Halberdier AV. Let's see how plate does against shield bash. Any unsaved damage will be doubled.

Halberdier Armour Value = 36AV [Full-Plate +30AV, Schiltron Formation +6AV, Freeblade Men of Steel +5AV, Avenger -5AV]
>36AV
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>>3925790
They both double fail!
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>>3925790
> Double Doubles

Knigga.
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>>3925790
EAT SHIT. FINALLY. DIE.
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>>3925790
Lolwut. Why is your shield armour piercing??

Sir Andrei Armour Value = 18AV [Breastplate and Helm +20AV, Heater Shield +20AV, Guardian +5AV, Piercing Crossbow -10AV]/2 Audacious
>18AV

1 roll of 1d100 for Sir Andrei's AV, please.
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>>3925789
Well sorta makes sense. We have the armour with no tabard. Hence big ursen sized shiny target in the middle.

Reduces the danger of friendly fire.
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Rolled 97 (1d100)

>>3925795
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Rolled 20 (1d100)

>>3925795
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Rolled 36 (1d100)

>>3925795
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>>3925797
Well I guess it didn't matter what stance we took here. So. I hope there are no more fights after this... Like don't have any notions of taking on the red giant. We are in a completely fucked state.
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>>3925803
We are wounded right now, correct?
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>>3925805
injured
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Rolled 99 (1d100)

>>3925795
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>>3925807
Why? I thought ranged damage wasn't part of exchange of blows.
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>>3925805
>>3925807
And it's not just our state of health. We burned all the rerolls. This is now strictly free what we can and get out
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>>3925809
we were at battered this brought us to injured
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>>3925810
What if we just stay at the door, defend the exit, let the bluejays go in and rescue.
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>>3925795
Guse we got him in the neack?
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>>3925811
Man those minigun crossbows are absolute nonsense. Take away at least half the damage they did in this battle and see how different it is.

>>3925790
Do the double fails they got do anything?
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>>3925812
This, also maybe with the racket we're causing the queensmen will attack and the fighting will become divisive enough to do what we want to do and get out.
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>>3925816
Haha also holy shit I just realized we incidently have our Falcon as in the superhero
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>>3925815
We should just get all our guys Crossbows looted from the Langlish and walk through every encounter after this.
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>>3925823
Hand crossbow+Shield?

Yes please
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>>3925820
Someone planned this, I'm sure. But it wasn't me.
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>>3925820
Would that make damien our winter soldier
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You know who a crossbow?
Jean
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>>3925795
You know what's armor piercing? The crossbows.

You know what's a bad idea? Shooting into melee.

Clearly buddy got shot by his own dudes.
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>>3925826
Why not dual wield our crossbows ontop of crossbows?
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>>3925815
Well the damage alone is enough to kill them without doubles, so no actually. Looks cool though.
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>>3925829
Proving once again she's top tier. Rich, powerful, hot, deadly.

Realistically SHE'S our Black Widow.
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>>3925831
>Automatic singlehanded crossbows

FUND IT!

>>3925820
I swear its entirely incidental

>>3925828
>Inb4 Damien was indoctrinated by Bluejays as rebel plot
>inb4 Damien loses an arm in this fight
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>>3925833
If only we could pull one of them into the path of the crossbow bolt that hit us.
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>>3925835
You can load a foot stirrup crossbow one handed.

Damien could be our Cross-Bro, so long as he praises the Regina and passes the ammunition.
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>4 Damage Inflicted!
>1 Damage Sustained!
> Cusceni Grin, Freeblade Halberdier is SLAIN!
> Happy, Freeblade Halberdier is SLAIN!
>Sir Andrei is Injured! (Pierced Arm)
>+1 Battle Progress [8]

The grinning Langlish mercenary from before has lost any semblance of humour, now snarling viciously and limping on a wound from Almighty knows where as he attempts to cave in your head with his halberd repeatedly.
”Just die already you big stubborn moth-urk! The swing of your shield catches him full in the throat, you can feel his windpipe crunch under your blow as he is flung to the ground.

A second halberd . You bring your shield down on the arm holding it savagely. Once, twice, thrice. The halberdiers arm is a mangled mess by the time you are done, but you show no hesitation in tackling him to the ground and caving in his helm with your shield. The Almighty gifted you with a brawny and muscular build, in times like these you are more than happy to use it.

As you stand up from your latest kill a crossbow bolt flies thuds into your armour with a wet *Thunk*. At this range, your armour stands no chance of stopping the projectile. The pain is sudden and intense, the bolt has sunk in deeply into your left arm above the shield. At a glance you can’t tell how bad the damage is through the torn fabric and maille but it’s going to need attention. Later.

The shooter responsible frowns at your failure to expire and begins methodically reloading the weapon as the handful of halberdiers form a thin screen between you. Given the sudden shift in the battle, it’s not a task these mercenaries are too enthusiastic about.

You’re hurt. You’re angry. And you’re armed.

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> “Their formation is broken! Maintain the offensive!” Ignore the Langlish Crossbowmen and push forward, exploiting the gap in the Langlish Halberd formation. [The effect of winning personal combat will activate as you allow the Crossbowmen to retreat to the next line while you finish off the remaining Langlish Halberd in your way] [Haughty]

> “That hurt.” Finish off the Langlish Crossbowmen while they are exposed. They are not unarmed, after all. Technically. [Your DC and Damage will drastically improve next round, but the effect of winning personal combat will be delayed by one round] [Hearty]
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>>3925843
>> “That hurt.” Finish off the Langlish Crossbowmen while they are exposed. They are not unarmed, after all. Technically. [Your DC and Damage will drastically improve next round, but the effect of winning personal combat will be delayed by one round] [Hearty]

GIT.
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>>3925843
>> “That hurt.” Finish off the Langlish Crossbowmen while they are exposed. They are not unarmed, after all. Technically. [Your DC and Damage will drastically improve next round, but the effect of winning personal combat will be delayed by one round] [Hearty]
>>
>>3925843
>> “That hurt.” Finish off the Langlish Crossbowmen while they are exposed. They are not unarmed, after all. Technically. [Your DC and Damage will drastically improve next round, but the effect of winning personal combat will be delayed by one round] [Hearty]
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>>3925843
>> “That hurt.” Finish off the Langlish Crossbowmen while they are exposed. They are not unarmed, after all. Technically. [Your DC and Damage will drastically improve next round, but the effect of winning personal combat will be delayed by one round] [Hearty]
Get rid of those Crossbowmen.
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>>3925843
>“That hurt.” Finish off the Langlish Crossbowmen while they are exposed. They are not unarmed, after all. Technically. [Your DC and Damage will drastically improve next round, but the effect of winning personal combat will be delayed by one round] [Hearty]

BEGONE TO THE PIT WITH YOUR BS CROSSBOWS YOU COINCLIPPING FIEND
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>>3925843
> “That hurt.” Finish off the Langlish Crossbowmen while they are exposed. They are not unarmed, after all. Technically. [Your DC and Damage will drastically improve next round, but the effect of winning personal combat will be delayed by one round] [Hearty]
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>>3925843
>“That hurt.” Finish off the Langlish Crossbowmen while they are exposed. They are not unarmed, after all. Technically. [Your DC and Damage will drastically improve next round, but the effect of winning personal combat will be delayed by one round] [Hearty]
They have to go. Now
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>>3925843
> “That hurt.” Finish off the Langlish Crossbowmen while they are exposed. They are not unarmed, after all. Technically. [Your DC and Damage will drastically improve next round, but the effect of winning personal combat will be delayed by one round] [Hearty]
>>
Getting the my first post out of the way
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>>3925843
> “Their formation is broken! Maintain the offensive!” Ignore the Langlish Crossbowmen and push forward, exploiting the gap in the Langlish Halberd formation. [The effect of winning personal combat will activate as you allow the Crossbowmen to retreat to the next line while you finish off the remaining Langlish Halberd in your way] [Haughty]

KEEP GOING DON'T STOP
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>>3925843
>“That hurt.” Finish off the Langlish Crossbowmen while they are exposed. They are not unarmed, after all. Technically. [Your DC and Damage will drastically improve next round, but the effect of winning personal combat will be delayed by one round] [Hearty]
>>
>“That hurt.” Finish off the Langlish Crossbowmen while they are exposed. They are not unarmed, after all. Technically. [Your DC and Damage will drastically improve next round, but the effect of winning personal combat will be delayed by one round] [Hearty]

For the purpose of this Combat Round, all Damage against the Crossbowmen is doubled and the Langlish receive no bonus from their Schiltron Formation. Even if you kill (or bring Personal Combat DC to 100) the effects on the battle progress will be delayed for one turn (so two combat rounds from now).

---------------------------------------------

(1) Combat Stance: You are not facing a Blademaster, you may dictate the combat stance at your discretion.
>Cautious - Double AV (Max 80), Total unsaved damage to Foe is halved (Rounding up)
>Guarded - Exchange of Blows does not inflict or sustain damage.
>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged.
>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled
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>>3925843
>>3925866
They won't be able to use their crossbows in the coming round, right? The crossbowman in front of us had literally just shot a bolt at us. No way they'll have the time to reload before we get to the.
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>>3925867
>before we get to the.
Before we get to them*
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>>3925866
>Guarded - Exchange of Blows does not inflict or sustain damage.
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>>3925866
>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.

DROP KICK ONE OFF THE BATTLEMENTS
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>>3925867
No, they won't. And if they are engaged they won't be able to fire in future rounds either.
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>>3925866
>>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
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>>3925866
>>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
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>>3925874
Thank the Almighty

>>3925866
>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
>Guarded - Exchange of Blows does not inflict or sustain damage.
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>>3925866
>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled
If they can't shoot while engaged we should go for broke here. Our DC should be pretty good engaging ranged fighters in melee
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Sandag, 24th Day of Ovrimun, 883 A.C.E – Fallavon Forest Ruins, Midday
The Assault on the Side Passage

>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
>Battle Progress: EVENLY MATCHED (50DC). Your side has the advantage in initiative and numbers but the superior equipment, discipline and advantageous position of your opponent means they have a decent chance at repelling you.
>Skirmish (dozens of combatants): Wining Personal Combat will add +20DC to Battle Progress and +1 Battle Re-Roll.
>On Foot: As you are not mounted, you will have little choice in where the chaotic melee leads you, tactically.

Sir Emile Andrei, Young Knight of Romaine: Injured
Young Lord Damien Andrei, Heir to House Andrei: Battered
Sir Neil dan Marc, Sworn Man to Sir Andrei: Battered
Comrade JayJay, Bluejay Rebel Marksman (Ranged): Injured
Comrade Dennick, Bluejay Rebel Marksman (Ranged): Healthy

>Combat = +69DC [Injured (Pierced Arm) -5DC, Strong +5DC, Dirk +0DC, Breastplate and Helm +10DC, Damien Andrei +15DC, Sir dan Marc +15DC, Blademaster +5DC, Law of Adam +4DC, x2 Bluejay Battle Brother +20DC, Mark of Cain +5DC]
>Armour Value = 40AV [Breastplate and Helm +20AV, Heater Shield +20AV, Guardian +5AV, Halberds blows -5AV]
>Combat Re-Rolls = 1 [In Our Prayers +1, Holy Orders +0, Courageous Sky +0, Lady's Favour +0, Lucky Charm +0]

VS

Cusceni Grin, Freeblade Halberdier: SLAIN
Happy, Freeblade Halberdier: SLAIN
Marco the Black, Freeblade Halberdier: Battered
Roberto Cuss, Freeblade Arbalest (Ranged): Healthy
Lugi the Sly, Freeblade Arbalest (Ranged): Healthy


>Combat = 20DC [Battered +0DC, Veterans +5DC, Full-plate +15DC, Schiltron Formation +0DC]
>Armour Value = 30AV [Full-Plate +30AV, Schiltron Formation +0AV, Freeblade Men of Steel +5AV, Avenger -5AV]
>Combat Re-Rolls = 0

Crit-fail = Suffer a mighty blow (3 degrees of damage sustained AND disarmed)
0 Success = Suffer a solid blow (2 degrees of damage sustained)
1 Success = Exchange glancing blows (1 degree of damage inflicted and sustained)
2 Success = Inflict a solid blow (2 degrees of damage inflicted)
3 Success = Inflict a mighty blow (3 degrees of damage inflicted)
Crit-pass = Inflict a killing blow (what it says on the tin)
Doubles Pass = +1 damage ignores opponent AV or Dismounted/Disarmed penalty
Doubles Fail = Dismounted and/or Disarmed penalty


(1) Personal Combat
>DC 99 (lol)
>3 rolls of 1d100

(2) Ranged Combat
>DC 50
>2 rolls of 1d100

(3) Battle Progress: Evenly Matched [8]
>50DC
>3 rolls of 1d100.

8 rolls of 1d100, kniggas.

That hurt.
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>>3925866
>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled
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Rolled 16 (1d100)

>>3925879
FUCK
YOUR
CROSSBOWS
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Rolled 86 (1d100)

>>3925879
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Rolled 99 (1d100)

>>3925879
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Rolled 42 (1d100)

>>3925879
EAT SHIT
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>>3925885
man....
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Rolled 88 (1d100)

>>3925879
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>>3925885
REALLY.

DICE GODS.

REALLY.
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>>3925887
I know... I can't fucking believe it
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Rolled 88 (1d100)

>>3925879
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>>3925888
Huh.

Khorne's here.
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>>3925882
>>3925884
>>3925885
All these are a success because our DC is 99. In fact the 99 roll is a double pass HAH!
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Rolled 17 (1d100)

>>3925879
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>>3925885
SERIOUSLY
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Rolled 82 (1d100)

>>3925879
Think we need one more
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I wonder if we could learn some sort of Martial arts to compliment the whole shield fighting?
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I need one more battle progress roll.

And a re-roll of this >>3925888, as Bluejays can re-roll doubles when shooting. And I doubt you want friendly fire.
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>>3925879
>Battle Progress: Evenly Matched [8]
>(8)
>Evenly matched
Wut?
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>>3925903
Cancel that, Battle progress roll here >>3925901
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>>3925904
means the dc is 50
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Rolled 12 (1d100)

>>3925879
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>>3925904
Evenly Matched is the DC, not the progress. So even though their line is breaking, the Langlish can theoretically pull back from this.
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>>3925888
bruh reroll so we don't get fugged
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>>3925909
>>3925907
Oh okay then
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can i do his reroll
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>>3925882
>>3925884
>>3925885
>3 Success
(hah, that 99 though)

>>3925893
>>3925888
>>3925886
1 hit.
1 friendly hit (Bluejay Marksmen can re-roll, even doubles).
Bluejay's out for blood...
Unless anon re-rolls soon I will lock it in.

>>3925891
>>3925896
>>3925901
>1 Success
>Langlish gain a Battle Buddy
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>>3925888
Re-roll before I piss meself!
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>>3925915
Go for it. It makes no sense not to re-roll that one.
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Rolled 47 (1d100)

>>3925903
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD.
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Rolled 27 (1d100)

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>>3925922
Based
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>>3925922
Too late!
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>>3925923
i actually gave the langish a BB but if we do enough damage here he might get keked
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Rolled 3, 4, 3 = 10 (3d5)

QM rolling to allocate Bluejay ranged hits.

1 = Marco the Black, Halberdier
2 = Roberto Cuss, Arbalest
3 = Lugi the Sly, Arbalest
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>>3925926
That's not right. Only the first two die count.
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>>3925927
Yea but the 4th guy is ded
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Rolled 2, 3 = 5 (2d3)

>>3925930
You're right. What am I doing? Re-rolling, properly this time. >>3925926
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Rolled 60, 8 = 68 (2d100)

QM rolling for Langlish AV (Ranged).

Robero Cuss, Arbalest = 25AV [Full-plate +15AV, Rear lines +0, Moderate Cover +10AV]
>25AV

Lugi the Sly, Arbalest = 25AV [Full-plate +15AV, Rear lines +0, Moderate Cover +10AV]
>25AV
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Rolled 94, 16, 15 = 125 (3d100)

Personal Combat Results
>2 Success
>Double Success +1 Damage No AV
>Inflict a mighty blow (3 damage)

QM rolling for Langlish Halberdiers AV. If any damage carries over to the Crossbowmen, that damage is doubled.

Halberdier Armour Value = 30AV [Full-Plate +30AV, Schiltron Formation +0AV, Freeblade Men of Steel +5AV, Avenger -5AV]
>30AV
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>>3925940
belligerent too so 3 damage
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>>3925935
> Ha! Your arrow miss . . .

Pic related
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>>3925941
You're right. Just enough to kill the Halberdier. But those crossbowmen manage to get away.

>>3925940
>>3925935
That is some good steel plate. The Langlish mercenaries sells his life dearly as the Crossbowmen retreat to the second line.
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If we survive this shit, then we should get a full plate harness in the next market we visit.

>>3925944
They won't be using their crossbows in the next round, right? They still haven't reloaded them.
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>>3925947
You're terrified of these bloody things haha
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>>3925944
Do the Bluejays get to shoot at them as they run away and leave cover?
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>>3925951
Look at how much damage they do. No wonder the Pope banned them IRL.

Honestly, they've removed any misgivings I had earlier about fighting these cunts.
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>>3925951
I have a damn right to be with how OP you've made them!

>>3925954
Except IRL crossbows weren't miniguns with infinite ammo and zero reload time.
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>>3925955
Yeah, it's some bullshit.

Guess the GM got fed up with us winning at combat.

But that's fine. We'll just get our own crossbows and then combat can just be hand waved.
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cross bows aren't that great it's only -10 av
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>>3925960
We fit one under our shield so we have a last ditch arm launcher.
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>>3925960
Forgotten isn't an asshole but he isn't perfect either. Mistakes happen bro, I doubt he was trying to fuck us with the crossbow stuff. No need to be salty
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>>3925964
I'll be less salty after we get a crossbowman of our own.
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>>3925963
>Not throwing the shield and having it bounce back
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>>3925960
Hope you're joking man. Forgotten doesn't pull shit like that. I agree with the crossbows being a bit too fast compared to the Bluejay bows, but the crossbowmen could just have a handful of people behind them reloading while they just get handed loaded crossbows.
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>>3925964
To be fair, a big portion of it was that absolute shit roll at the beginning which was partly our fault as well for trying to tank armor piercing weapons instead of charging through, followed by worse rolls.

But I think it's perfectly fine for Emile to develop a love/hate relationship with crossbows, depending on if their on his side or not.

>>3925972
> Not having a shield that has a single shot spring crossbow in it.

Only problem is the mechanism getting wrecked in combat.
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>>3925974
which is why

Throwing your shield>Crossbow holdout
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>3 Damage Inflicted!
>Marco the Black, Halberdier is SLAIN!
>Lugi the Sly, Arbalist is Battered.
>Personal Combat Won! Bonus to Battle Progress delayed for 1 Round.
>-1 Battle Progress [7]

”That hurt.” You allow your temper to rise as you press forward through the thinning ranks with the intention of putting an end to the ranged mercenaries once and for all.
A strikingly swarthy fellow with a bristling mutton chops beard steps in between you and your Crossbowman quarry. He brandishes his halberd and yells over his shoulder. ”Lugi, Roberto get back to Russo’s second line! I’ll hold them off!”

”Marco!”

”Idiota! Go!” The wounded Arbalest hesitates, but his comrade drags him back behind the press of Halberds to where a semblance of a last stand is being formed at the lip of the ridge under the watchful eyes of the chiselled Langlish Lieutenant.

The halberd swings down savagely where your head was a moment before, the piked end twirling on the backswing. Lacking other options, your gauntlet reaches out before your face and catches it, the point sticking in between your fingers. An inch left and it would have gone through your palm. Your opponent seems shocked, unaware that your feat was more due to sheer luck than supreme skill. With a sweep of your leg the tanned Langlishman finds himself sprawled on his back, blinking in surprise.

”Ah merda.” The man sighs resignedly as you tower over him, shield in hand. He’s accepted his fate, the sacrifice is real. You almost wish you could hold back a moment, to hesitate and let him go.

But the battlefield is no place for hesitation. Nor mercy. Your armoured boot stomp shatters his jaw, the pained fury in his expression is almost instantly demolished by the curved end of your heater shield crushing his nose with the first blow. His eyeball pops with the second. His face, skull and then brains are pulverized with the subsequent blows until nothing is left but a mash of bone, blood and slick matter that spills into the dirt. The ruinous calamity of the man’s face is starkly at odds with the pristine condition of his body armour.

[1/2]
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>>3925992
how do we pick up a sword? Especially since the line here collapsed, cant we grab a longknife before we move up?
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>>3925978
Okay but really that's a spider-tank idea.

BTW are we gonna tap out of the fight here? We're pretty messed up, and we've helped out a lot already.

Besides, these guys are mercs. We can maybe get them to surrender. Unlikely their employer would let them live anyways, given the whole "No witnesses" mission aspect and the fact that killing off Mercs is a lot cheaper than paying them. Especially when their forces have been weakened so much.

Not like they could use this job for reputation either, no one is going to sing songs of their deeds this day.

It's a one time offer to lay down their weapons and keep their lives, as is only Chivalrous to do. We can even let them keep their armour and such so as to not impoverish them.
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>>3925996
Yeah I'd like to grab out own sword again if we can find it in all the chaos. We can't realistically keep fighting unarmed
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>>3925992

[2/2]

Not easy to give a man a quick death when you’re using just a shield, that much is self evident.

”What now, sire?” Sir Neil dan Marc appears at your side, his right arm slick with blood to the armpit. ”The ridge? Or we can let these rebel scum mop up the rest.”

”Those fellows there look like a tough nut to crack.” Your brother muses, his blade also bloody. Someone must had walloped his solidly enough on the helm to leave a dent, but he appears well enough. ”But if we give them room to breathe, they could make this costly in lives before they break.”

You follow his gaze to where the Langlish officer and a core group of veterans are trying to rally the defence. They each wield a longsword of some description and a shorter blade, almost a dagger. It’s a bizarre fighting technique that you’ve never seen before, but any Bluejay willing to try his luck against them is cut to pieces in moments. For now the rebels seems content to pick off the stragglers and bring their own archers to bear

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> “We prised an opening. Let the Bluejays do the rest.” You want to get your arm looked at before you head inside the ruins side passage. [Haughty]

> ”A weapon. I need a weapon.” You grab the closest thing to hand. A halberd, as it happens. You hope your polearm training isn’t too rusty. [Hearty]

> “If I challenge their leader to single combat, do you think he’d accept?” Or would the rebels accept, for that matter. You’ve hardly seen evidence of honour among thieves here. [Idealist]
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>>3926002
>> ”A weapon. I need a weapon.” You grab the closest thing to hand. A halberd, as it happens. You hope your polearm training isn’t too rusty. [Hearty]
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I need to cook dinner and such. I'll see you lot in around 3 hours.
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>>3926002
>> ”A weapon. I need a weapon.” You grab the closest thing to hand. A halberd, as it happens. You hope your polearm training isn’t too rusty. [Hearty]
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>>3925998
Nah we need to do rescue who we came her for and do what we can to aid their escape before the queensmen attack

>>3925996
>Using a sword
>After our rolls picked up after losing it

>>3926002
> “If I challenge their leader to single combat, do you think he’d accept?” Or would the rebels accept, for that matter. You’ve hardly seen evidence of honour among thieves here. [Idealist]
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>>3926002
> “We prised an opening. Let the Bluejays do the rest.” You want to get your arm looked at before you head inside the ruins side passage. [Haughty]
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>>3926002
> ”A weapon. I need a weapon.” You grab the closest thing to hand. A halberd, as it happens. You hope your polearm training isn’t too rusty. [Hearty]

>“If I challenge their leader to single combat, do you think he’d accept?” Or would the rebels accept, for that matter. You’ve hardly seen evidence of honour among thieves here. [Idealist]

Remember not to waste time. because we'll need it later.
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>>3926002
hey would a halberd mean we lose our heater shields av?
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>>3926002
> “We prised an opening. Let the Bluejays do the rest.” You want to get your arm looked at before you head inside the ruins side passage. [Haughty]

Didn't we get some healing plants? Lets trade those for some health care before getting back into the frey, or challenging tomhe leader to single combat.

Although I still think it's worth it to offer them a generous term of surrender. At the least, they might fight less hard if they think we're willing to accept surrenders and ransom prisoners.
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>>3926002
>> ”A weapon. I need a weapon.” You grab the closest thing to hand. A halberd, as it happens. You hope your polearm training isn’t too rusty. [Hearty]
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>>3926012
>>3926007
>>3926004
Y'alls, the Jays aren't exactly on our side. Do we really want to die for them?

Because we and our Bro are messed the fuck up. Really I feel we did our part. Sir Dan and Mikhail can push forward if they really want to but let's at least take a breather and get some first aid done before getting back to it.
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>>3926002
>> ”A weapon. I need a weapon.” You grab the closest thing to hand. A halberd, as it happens. You hope your polearm training isn’t too rusty. [Hearty]
Dont wanna waste precious time. Lets find something other than a halberd though
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>>3926002
>If I challenge their leader to single combat, do you think he’d accept?” Or would the rebels accept, for that matter. You’ve hardly seen evidence of honour among thieves here. [Idealist]
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>>3926027
Can we snap the halbard and use it like an axe? We're better with axes, no? Then we can keep our shield.
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>>3926002
> “We prised an opening. Let the Bluejays do the rest.” You want to get your arm looked at before you head inside the ruins side passage. [Haughty]
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>>3926002
>“We prised an opening. Let the Bluejays do the rest.” You want to get your arm looked at before you head inside the ruins side passage. [Haughty]
Get some quick aid and then

> ”A weapon. I need a weapon.” You grab the closest thing to hand. A halberd, as it happens. You hope your polearm training isn’t too rusty. [Hearty]
But not with a halbred

>>3926020
Leaving it to the Bluejays will drag it on and take time
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>>3926040
But we won't get killed or crippled.
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>>3926002
> ”A weapon. I need a weapon.” You grab the closest thing to hand. A halberd, as it happens. You hope your polearm training isn’t too rusty. [Hearty]

Keep our shield and choose either guardsed or cautious. Regardless of what option wins make sure to offer them quarter if they drop all their weapons since there's no reason not to. There's absolutely no other way they're getting out of this alive so it should have a chance to succeed. If they surrender then accept it.
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>>3926035
>>3926002
I'd like to add that if we can spend a moment to find an arming sword... that'd be something I'd be for
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>>3926002
>“We prised an opening. Let the Bluejays do the rest.” You want to get your arm looked at before you head inside the ruins side passage. [Haughty]

>”A weapon. I need a weapon.” You grab the closest thing to hand. A halberd, as it happens. You hope your polearm training isn’t too rusty. [Hearty]

Have a quick heal then join the fray. Our companions should participate regardless since they're just battered. If they yield tell them to throw their weapons and leave the fort running. Have some men keep an eye on their weapons in case they decide to come back for some reason
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>>3926029
Changing from this btw
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>>3926002
>> “We prised an opening. Let the Bluejays do the rest.” You want to get your arm looked at before you head inside the ruins side passage. [Haughty]
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>>3926002
>> ”A weapon. I need a weapon.” You grab the closest thing to hand. A halberd, as it happens. You hope your polearm training isn’t too rusty. [Hearty]
>> “If I challenge their leader to single combat, do you think he’d accept?” Or would the rebels accept, for that matter. You’ve hardly seen evidence of honour among thieves here. [Idealist]
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> ”A weapon. I need a weapon.” You grab the closest thing to hand. A halberd, as it happens. You hope your polearm training isn’t too rusty. [Hearty]
> GAIN Halberd. +10AV, -5AV to Foe. (Can only be used effectively with a Buckler. Your Heater shield's effectiveness is halved).

There is a short lull in the fighting, a breath of peace as the last stragglers of the broken Langlish formation rally at the mouth of the ruins passageway behind the resolute Langlish veteran swordsman and their muscular officer. The rebels, for their part, are preparing for another push to drive the foreign mercenaries out entirely. The nearest moustachioed swordsman says something to their officer you can’t quite hear, pointing in your direction. The officer spots you and laughs richly, his booming voice the envy of drill sergeants across the realm.

No, lascialo. Lui è mio. I have to hand it to you, Mainlander. You are a…tenacious one yes?” The great hulking swordsman’s Cantôn is much more heavily accented than his captain’s, but you understand him well enough. Despite being on the losing side his eyes are eager animated under the brow of his plumed helm. ”My name is Giuseppe Russo, Primus Pilus of the Golden Sun Company. I tell you my name because I do not want your ghost thinking who kill you? Molto bene, let us begin.”

The Primus Russo twirls his shortblade as he widens his stance at the lip of the ridge. You cannot tell whether it’s bravado, madness or true courage that plasters that fierce grin across his face against such odds. But you know that when this lull in battle ends he will be looking for you.


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(1) The Langlish Officer
>”May the best man win, Islander. Charge!” Your side must press the advantage now, while they are still regrouping. Hopefully this garishly dressed musclehead proves to be a worthy challenge. [Haughty]

>”How about we settle this man to man, and let the One True God decide who holds the field?” A knight of Cantôn would recognise the challenge, and be honorbound to accept. Who knows with these foreigners… [Hearty]

>”Would that I could adhere to good manners and introduce myself. But neither of us need die today, Langlishman. Take your men and go.” You risk squandering some of the advantage you’ve gleaned so far by giving them time to regroup, but the offer must be made. [Idealist]


(2) Your Weapon
> Mikail managed to find your sword and return it to you. You put the Halberd aside. [Halberd + Buckler]

> Mikail provides you with his buckler, replacing it with your own somewhat battered heater shield. [Arming Sword + Shield]
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This is my last update for tonight, gents. We shall continue where we left off in 12 hours.
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>>3926153
>”How about we settle this man to man, and let the One True God decide who holds the field?” A knight of Cantôn would recognise the challenge, and be honorbound to accept. Who knows with these foreigners… [Hearty]

>> Mikail provides you with his buckler, replacing it with your own somewhat battered heater shield. [Arming Sword + Shield]

Get Mikail behind us to support with halberd when we aren't 1v1ing
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>>3926153
(1)
>”Would that I could adhere to good manners and introduce myself. But neither of us need die today, Langlishman. Take your men and go.” You risk squandering some of the advantage you’ve gleaned so far by giving them time to regroup, but the offer must be made. [Idealist]

(2)
>[Arming Sword + Shield]
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>>3926156
mixed up that second choice
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>>3926153
>”May the best man win, Islander. Charge!” Your side must press the advantage now, while they are still regrouping. Hopefully this garishly dressed musclehead proves to be a worthy challenge. [Haughty]

> Mikail provides you with his buckler, replacing it with your own somewhat battered heater shield. Halberd + Buckler
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also will he be wearing plate or is he just bare chested this is pretty important to my choice of weapon
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>>3926153
>[Haughty]

>[Arming Sword + Shield]
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also if i miss next live boys stick to cautious that 80 av will keep us alive 2 more damage and we are dead wounded then deaths door and no one will jump into a duel
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>>3926153
>>”May the best man win, Islander. Charge!” Your side must press the advantage now, while they are still regrouping. Hopefully this garishly dressed musclehead proves to be a worthy challenge. [Haughty]

>(2) Your Weapon
> Mikail managed to find your sword and return it to you. You put the Halberd aside. [Halberd + Buckler]
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>>3926153
>(1)

>”Would that I could adhere to good manners and introduce myself. But neither of us need die today, Langlishman. Take your men and go.” You risk squandering some of the advantage you’ve gleaned so far by giving them time to regroup, but the offer must be made. [Idealist]

>(2)

>[Arming Sword + Shield]

>>3926163
Forgotten has always depicted him as a bare chested man so...
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>>3926153
>”May the best man win, Islander. Charge!” Your side must press the advantage now, while they are still regrouping. Hopefully this garishly dressed musclehead proves to be a worthy challenge. [Haughty]

>[Arming Sword + Shield]
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>>3926171
yeah i hope so be funny as fuck if he had like 40 av from some exotic parrying dagger rules
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>>3926163
>>3926171
He's wearing full-plate. But you spied on him a few days before and spotted his shirtless chiseled physique in all its manly glory.

In a totally no-homo way, bro. Respect the gains.
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>>3926177
These are backwards right?

> Mikail managed to find your sword and return it to you. You put the Halberd aside. [Halberd + Buckler]

> Mikail provides you with his buckler, replacing it with your own somewhat battered heater shield. [Arming Sword + Shield]

Am I just reading it wrong or are the weapon/shield options mixed up?
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>>3926153
>”Would that I could adhere to good manners and introduce myself. But neither of us need die today, Langlishman. Take your men and go.” You risk squandering some of the advantage you’ve gleaned so far by giving them time to regroup, but the offer must be made. [Idealist]

>(2) Your Weapon
>[Halberd + Buckler]
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so a buckler adds 5 dc and 5 av right so with a halb we will be hitting at the same dc as arming sword but - 5av i think but we take away 10 from his Armour
this also kinda depends on blade master
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just checked bucklers 10 av so with the 10 av from the halb we break even
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>>3926180
No, you're right. My bad. Please selected the [Bracketed] option you prefer.
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>>3926153
1)
>”May the best man win, Islander. Charge!” Your side must press the advantage now, while they are still regrouping. Hopefully this garishly dressed musclehead proves to be a worthy challenge. [Haughty]

2)
>[Arming Sword + Shield]
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>>3926177
Forgotten, I would like to implore you to make the changes for the crossbows before the next update since you couldn't change it during the battle. Have it at least be that if crossbows are used in the current round, then they can't be used in the upcoming one.

Also what's his health stat? Surely he at least got battered during all the fighting?
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>>3926166
For my vote, I meant to choose:
>[Sword+Shield]. As per >>3926187
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>>3926153
>>”Would that I could adhere to good manners and introduce myself. But neither of us need die today, Langlishman. Take your men and go.” You risk squandering some of the advantage you’ve gleaned so far by giving them time to regroup, but the offer must be made. [Idealist]
>(2) Your Weapon
>> [Halberd + Buckler]
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>>3926153
>”Would that I could adhere to good manners and introduce myself. But neither of us need die today, Langlishman. Take your men and go.” You risk squandering some of the advantage you’ve gleaned so far by giving them time to regroup, but the offer must be made. [Idealist]
>[Halberd + Buckler]
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>>3926153
>>”May the best man win, Islander. Charge!” Your side must press the advantage now, while they are still regrouping. Hopefully this garishly dressed musclehead proves to be a worthy challenge. [Haughty]

> Mikail managed to find your sword and return it to you. You put the Halberd aside. [Halberd + Buckler]
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>>3925520
why you gotta be pulling punches on these bastards, qm!
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>>3926153

>”Would that I could adhere to good manners and introduce myself. But neither of us need die today, Langlishman. Take your men and go.” You risk squandering some of the advantage you’ve gleaned so far by giving them time to regroup, but the offer must be made. [Idealist

> Mikail managed to find your sword and return it to you. You put the Halberd aside. [Halberd + Buckler
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>>3926153
>”Would that I could adhere to good manners and introduce myself. But neither of us need die today, Langlishman. Take your men and go.” You risk squandering some of the advantage you’ve gleaned so far by giving them time to regroup, but the offer must be made. [Idealist

> Mikail provides you with his buckler, replacing it with your own somewhat battered heater shield. [Arming Sword + Shield]
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>>3926153
>>”How about we settle this man to man, and let the One True God decide who holds the field?” A knight of Cantôn would recognise the challenge, and be honorbound to accept. Who knows with these foreigners… [Hearty]
> Mikail managed to find your sword and return it to you. You put the Halberd aside. [Halberd + Buckler]
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>>3926153
>”May the best man win, Islander. Charge!” Your side must press the advantage now, while they are still regrouping. Hopefully this garishly dressed musclehead proves to be a worthy challenge. [Haughty]

> Mikail managed to find your sword and return it to you. You put the Halberd aside. [Arming Sword + Shield]
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>>3926153
Damn, I'm late to the party, already 500+ posts,
this is the anchor post for future votes I guess.
But my preference goes to
>”May the best man win, Islander. Charge!” Your side must press the advantage now, while they are still regrouping. Hopefully this garishly dressed musclehead proves to be a worthy challenge. [Haughty]
>[Arming Sword + Shield]
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>>3926153
>”How about we settle this man to man, and let the One True God decide who holds the field?” A knight of Cantôn would recognise the challenge, and be honorbound to accept. Who knows with these foreigners… [Hearty]

> Mikail managed to find your sword and return it to you. You put the Halberd aside.
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>>3926153
>idealist
>arming sword and sheild
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>>3926187
>>3926526
To clarify, I vote to use our [Arming Sword + Shield]
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>”May the best man win, Islander. Charge!” Your side must press the advantage now, while they are still regrouping. Hopefully this garishly dressed musclehead proves to be a worthy challenge. [Haughty]
> [Arming Sword + Shield]


Update incoming, let's get this show on the road.
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”Milord.” You glance over your shoulder to see Mikail offering you your lost blade hilt first. He looks none the worse for wear after the melee, eagerly discharging his duties as a good squire should.

”Excellent work, squire.” The boy beams under your praise as you heft the blade and point it at the Langlish officer. ”May the best man win, Islander. Charge!”

Leaving no time for the Freeblade mercenaries to properly reform their lines, your companions and the light armoured Bluejays swarm the Langlish position with an unintelligible war cry.

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(1) Combat Stance: You are facing a fellow Blademaster, a roll will be required after voting for combat stance.
>Cautious - Double AV (Max 80), Total unsaved damage to Foe is halved (Rounding up)
>Guarded - Exchange of Blows does not inflict or sustain damage.
>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged. May Re-Roll results of this and next Combat Stance superiority roll.
>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled
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>>3927283
>>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged. May Re-Roll results of this and next Combat Stance superiority roll.
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>>3927283
>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged. May Re-Roll results of this and next Combat Stance superiority roll.
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>>3927283
>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged. May Re-Roll results of this and next Combat Stance superiority roll.
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>>3927283
Balanced
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>>3927283
>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged. May Re-Roll results of this and next Combat Stance superiority roll.
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Rolled 69 (1d100)

QM rolling to see if Langlish lucky charm activates.

>DC 50
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>>3927307
Ha!
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>>3927283
>>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged. May Re-Roll results of this and next Combat Stance superiority roll.
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>>3927283
>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged. May Re-Roll results of this and next Combat Stance superiority roll.
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>>3927307
Im here, my id might change since im on phone, sadness iv got to go to a frinds b day tonight, going bowling.
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>>3927283
>>Cautious - Double AV (Max 80), Total unsaved damage to Foe is halved (Rounding up)
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(We're supposed to roll under, right?)
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>>3927330
nah thats for the langish guy not us he failed btw
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I need 1 roll of 1d100 to see how Sir Andrei's swordsmanship fares against this foreign fighting style.

>DC 50
> Balanced Combat Stance +1 Re-Roll
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Rolled 17 (1d100)

>>3927335
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>>3927337
Noice.
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>>3927337
Good job
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Sandag, 24th Day of Ovrimun, 883 A.C.E – Fallavon Forest Ruins, Midday
The Assault on the Side Passage

>Belligerent - >Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged. May Re-Roll results of this and next Combat Stance superiority roll.
>Battle Progress: EVENLY MATCHED (50DC). Your side has the advantage in initiative and numbers but the superior equipment, discipline and advantageous position of your opponent means they have a decent chance at repelling you. Change to DC delayed by 1 round.
>Skirmish (dozens of combatants): Wining Personal Combat will add +20DC to Battle Progress and +1 Battle Re-Roll.
>On Foot: As you are not mounted, you will have little choice in where the chaotic melee leads you.

Sir Emile Andrei, Young Knight of Romaine: Injured
Young Lord Damien Andrei, Heir to House Andrei: Battered
Sir Neil dan Marc, Sworn Man to Sir Andrei: Battered
Comrade JayJay, Bluejay Rebel Marksman (Ranged): Injured
Comrade Dennick, Bluejay Rebel Marksman (Ranged): Healthy
>Combat = +79DC [Injured (Pierced Arm) -5DC, Strong +5DC, Arming Sword +5DC, Breastplate and Helm +10DC, Damien Andrei +15DC, Sir dan Marc +15DC, Blademaster +10DC, Law of Adam +4DC, x2 Bluejay Battle Brother +20DC, Mark of Cain +5DC]
>Armour Value = 45AV [Breastplate and Helm +20AV, Heater Shield +20AV, Guardian +5AV]
>Combat Re-Rolls = 1 [In Our Prayers +1, Holy Orders +0, Courageous Sky +0, Lady's Favour +0, Lucky Charm +0]

VS

Guiseppe Russo, Freeblade Primus Pilus: Healthy
Allesandro Petri, Freeblade Senior Sergeant: Healthy
Marco the Black, Freeblade Sergeant: Battered
Roberto Cuss, Freeblade Arbalest (Ranged): Healthy
Lugi the Sly, Freeblade Arbalest (Ranged): Battered
>Combat = 60DC [Healthy +5DC, Strong +5DC, Veterans +5DC, Full-plate +15DC, Blademaster +10DC, x2 Battle Brother +20DC]
>Armour Value = 30AV [Full-Plate +30AV, Freeblade Men of Steel +5AV, Avenger -5AV]
>Combat Re-Rolls = 1 [Exotic Fighting Style +1, Lucky Charm +0]

Crit-fail = Suffer a mighty blow (3 degrees of damage sustained AND disarmed)
0 Success = Suffer a solid blow (2 degrees of damage sustained)
1 Success = Exchange glancing blows (1 degree of damage inflicted and sustained)
2 Success = Inflict a solid blow (2 degrees of damage inflicted)
3 Success = Inflict a mighty blow (3 degrees of damage inflicted)
Crit-pass = Inflict a killing blow (what it says on the tin)
Doubles Pass = +1 damage ignores opponent AV or Dismounted/Disarmed penalty
Doubles Fail = Dismounted and/or Disarmed penalty


(1) Personal Combat
>DC 69
>3 rolls of 1d100

(2) Ranged Combat
>DC 50
>2 rolls of 1d100
Crossbows fire this round.

(3) Battle Progress: Evenly Matched [7]
>50DC (70DC next round)
>3 rolls of 1d100.

8 rolls of 1d100, kniggas.

May the best man win.
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Rolled 29 (1d100)

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Rolled 24 (1d100)

>>3927345
It is time
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Rolled 98 (1d100)

>>3927345
please dice gods
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Rolled 23 (1d100)

>>3927345
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Rolled 44 (1d100)

>>3927345
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>>3927351
Uh oh
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>>3927345
Should I refrain from rolling in this one to let other people have their chance?
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>>3927356
RIP
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>>3927357
Go ahead, I think there will be rolls enough to go around over the course of the battle.
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Rolled 42 (1d100)

>>3927345
Praise the dice gods.
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Rolled 17 (1d100)

>>3927345
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We're in great shape lads. 2 success on personal combat, both ranged hits, 2 successes in battle progress so far
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Rolled 73 (1d100)

>>3927345
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>>3927369
Shhh don't jinx us
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Rolled 30 (1d100)

for bp
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How does the rolling system work in Sworn to Valour? I just caught up, I assume you have to roll under, but what does it mean when we have + DC in our equipment, does that mean we have to roll under that number?
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>>3927376
our dc 79-60 opponents +50 =69
this is so if 0 vs 0 the dc will be 50
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>>3927376
You have to roll under, that's right. Usually there is a base DC which equipment or skills have an impact on. So a +5DC item would turn a 30DC into a 35DC test.

>>3927348
>>3927350
>>3927351
>2 Success
You have 1 Re-Roll to use at your discretion.

>>3927353
>>3927355
>2 hits.
>1 ignores armour.

>>3927366
>>3927367
>>3927371
>2 Success
> +1 Battle Progress [8]
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>>3927385
i'll save the reroll for getting us out of the shit when we roll 0 or 1 success
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I think we should save the reroll
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Rolled 65, 4 = 69 (2d100)

QM rolling for Langlish Crossbows.

>DC 50
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>>3927393
well with some luck we can spread some damage out to Dennick
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Rolled 2, 1, 1 = 4 (3d5)

QM rolling allocation of Ranged hits.

>1st Roll = Langlish Crossbow
1 = Sir Emile Andrei
2 = Young Lord Damien Andrei
3 = Sir Neil dan Marc
4 = Comrade JayJay
5 = Comrade Dennick

>2nd & 3rd Roll = Bluejay Marksman
1 = Guiseppi Russo, Primus Pilus
2 = Alessandro Petri, First Sergeant
3 = Angus the Tall, Sergeant
4 = Roberto Cuss, Arbalest
5 = Lugi the Sly, Arbalest

>>3927388
Most wise. (in my opinion)
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>>3927345
>Marco the Black, Freeblade Halberdier: Healthy
mmmmmm
>Marco the Black, Freeblade Sergeant: Battered
>he had a twin
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>>3927411
Pog
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>>3927413
Yep, sorry forgot the name change
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>>3927416
just busting your balls
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>>3927411
>Guiseppi taking multiple arrows
Shouldn't have been talking that trash
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>>3927411
I think we may have just kill the Primus Pilus thanks to the Bluejay Marksman.
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>going full Captain Canton fixed dice

Feels good
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>>3927424
we have to pass all the avs
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also he has 2 rerolls too burn don't count him out yet
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Rolled 19 (1d100)

Looks like the Bluejays know a high value sniper target when they see one. QM rolling for Guiseppi Russo's AV against the ranged attack.

1 ignores AV.
Guiseppe Russo Armour Value = 35AV [Full-Plate +30AV, Freeblade Men of Steel +5AV]
>35AV

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Young Lord Damien Andrei Armour Value = 40AV [Breastplate and Helm +20AV, Heater Shield +20AV]
>40AV

1 roll of 1d100 for your brother, please.
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>>3927431
I hopefully he dies or burns the re-rolls here and now.
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Rolled 33 (1d100)

>>3927436
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Rolled 27 (1d100)

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Rolled 67 (1d100)

>>3927436
Rollin thunder.
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Rolled 72 (1d100)

>>3927436
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Lore-wise I hope we get to go to Cathagi. They seem pretty interesting (even if they would likely enslave and murder us)
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Rolled 73, 53 = 126 (2d100)

>>3927431
Personal Combat Results
>2 Success!
>Inflict a solid blow (2 damage)

Guiseppe Russo Armour Value = 30AV [Full-Plate +30AV, Freeblade Men of Steel +5AV, Avenger -5AV]
>30AV
Rolling for the Primus Pilus' AV.
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>>3927458
Solid damage nice
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>Inflicted 3 Damage!
>Sustained 0 Damage!
>Guiseppe Russo, Primus Pilus is Wounded!
>+1 Battle Progress [8]
>The tide of battle is now Overwhelming Force (70DC)

Chivalry is lost on the blades-for-hire, as the Langlish officer signals for his arbalests to open fire on you at point blank range. Your brother catches a crossbow bolt meant for you on the rim of his shield, shoving aside one of the Freeblade sergeants to clear the way for you to confront their leader.

The foreigner growls as his chest-plate and thigh is pierced by expert shots from the woodlands. His ostentatious uniform and plumed hell mark him out as a man of import, and a prime target for snipers. A less sensible man might have allowed him to recover before exchanging blows

You catch his weak longblade swing on your shield, a feint. But one you had anticipated. Ignoring the second casual swipe of the longblade, your sword swings down savagely on the officer’s hand wrapped around their short steel. It near splits in half from the middle finger down, causing your opponent to snarl in pain, his happy-go-lucky bravado replaced with a murderous intent to see you dead.

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(1) Combat Stance: You are facing a fellow Blademaster, a roll will be required after voting for combat stance. As you used balanced last round, you can re-roll attempts to dictate the combat stance this round.
>Cautious - Double AV (Max 80), Total unsaved damage to Foe is halved (Rounding up)
>Guarded - Exchange of Blows does not inflict or sustain damage.
>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged. May Re-Roll results of this and next Combat Stance superiority roll.
>Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
>Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled
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>>3927530
>Audacious
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>>3927530
>>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged. May Re-Roll results of this and next Combat Stance superiority roll.
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>>3927530
>Cautious - Double AV (Max 80), Total unsaved damage to Foe is halved (Rounding up)
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>>3927530
>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged. May Re-Roll results of this and next Combat Stance superiority roll.
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>>3927530
>>Cautious - Double AV (Max 80), Total unsaved damage to Foe is halved (Rounding up)
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>>3927530
thats pretty brutal
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>>3927530
>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged. May Re-Roll results of this and next Combat Stance superiority roll.
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>>3927530
>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged. May Re-Roll results of this and next Combat Stance superiority roll.
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>>3927530
>Cautious - Double AV (Max 80), Total unsaved damage to Foe is halved (Rounding up)
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>>3927530
Cautious - Double AV (Max 80), Total unsaved damage to Foe is halved (Rounding up)
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>>3927530
>Cautious - Double AV (Max 80), Total unsaved damage to Foe is halved (Rounding up)

It would suck to get picked off by a crossbow now. Battle progress is good, overall.
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>>3927530
>>Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged. May Re-Roll results of this and next Combat Stance superiority roll.
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Forgotten will be the crossbows be firing again this round?
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Balanced takes it by a slim margin.

1 roll of 1d100 to see if your swordsmanship skill remains dominant this round.

>DC 50
> Balanced Combat Stance +1 Re-Roll
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Rolled 91 (1d100)

>>3927594
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>>3927530
>Cautious - Double AV (Max 80), Total unsaved damage to Foe is halved (Rounding up)
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>>3927590
No, I'll have them fire every second round to demonstrate the longer load times.
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>>3927595
Noooooo
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Rolled 94 (1d100)

>>3927595
re-roll
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>>3927594
2 reroll then
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>>3927595
>>3927599
Sigh
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>>3927601
You should get one more I think
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Rolled 4 (1d5)

>>3927595
>>3927599
The Langlish swordsman has the advantage here. QM rolling to see what stance he benefits from.

1 = Cautious - Double AV (Max 80), Total unsaved damage to Foe is halved (Rounding up)
2 = Guarded - Exchange of Blows does not inflict or sustain damage.
3 = Balanced - AV and Damage remain unchanged. May Re-Roll Combat Stance control next round.
4 = Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
5 = Audacious - Halve AV (Rounding up); Each point of unsaved damage to Foe is doubled
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>>3927605
Oh NOOOO
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>>3927605
means 1 success means no damge as exchange of blows dose not work with belligerent
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>>3927605
>>3927606
Actually isn't this OK on paper? Get 1 or more success and we win barring AV saves
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>>3927609
If you get one success, you will still inflict damage. He won't.
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Rolled 21 (1d100)

Testing if my rolls are gonna remain trash before rolling again.
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Sandag, 24th Day of Ovrimun, 883 A.C.E – Fallavon Forest Ruins, Midday
The Assault on the Side Passage

>Foe Combat Stance: Belligerent - Exchange of Blows does not inflict damage; +1 Damage to Foe if any unsaved damaged is inflicted.
>Battle Progress: OVERWHELMING FORCE (70DC). Your side has the advantage in initiative and numbers, and the disciplined enemy has had their central formation broken. Victory is within your grasp.
>Skirmish (dozens of combatants): Wining Personal Combat will add +20DC to Battle Progress and +1 Battle Re-Roll.
>On Foot: As you are not mounted, you will have little choice in where the chaotic melee leads you.

Sir Emile Andrei, Young Knight of Romaine: Injured
Young Lord Damien Andrei, Heir to House Andrei: Battered
Sir Neil dan Marc, Sworn Man to Sir Andrei: Battered
Comrade JayJay, Bluejay Rebel Marksman (Ranged): Injured
Comrade Dennick, Bluejay Rebel Marksman (Ranged): Healthy
>Combat = +79DC [Injured (Pierced Arm) -5DC, Strong +5DC, Arming Sword +5DC, Breastplate and Helm +10DC, Damien Andrei +15DC, Sir dan Marc +15DC, Blademaster +10DC, Law of Adam +4DC, x2 Bluejay Battle Brother +20DC, Mark of Cain +5DC]
>Armour Value = 45AV [Breastplate and Helm +20AV, Heater Shield +20AV, Guardian +5AV]
>Combat Re-Rolls = 1 [In Our Prayers +1, Holy Orders +0, Courageous Sky +0, Lady's Favour +0, Lucky Charm +0]

VS

Guiseppe Russo, Freeblade Primus Pilus: Wounded
Allesandro Petri, Freeblade Senior Sergeant: Healthy
Angus the Tall, Freeblade Sergeant: Battered
Roberto Cuss, Freeblade Arbalest (Ranged): Healthy
Lugi the Sly, Freeblade Arbalest (Ranged): Battered
>Combat = 60DC [Wounded (Split hand) -10DC, Strong +5DC, Veterans +5DC, Full-plate +15DC, Blademaster +10DC, x2 Battle Brother +20DC]
>Armour Value = 30AV [Full-Plate +30AV, Freeblade Men of Steel +5AV, Avenger -5AV]
>Combat Re-Rolls = 1 [Exotic Fighting Style +1, Lucky Charm +0]

Crit-fail = Suffer a mighty blow (3 degrees of damage sustained AND disarmed)
0 Success = Suffer a solid blow (2 degrees of damage sustained)
1 Success = Exchange glancing blows (1 degree of damage inflicted and sustained)
2 Success = Inflict a solid blow (2 degrees of damage inflicted)
3 Success = Inflict a mighty blow (3 degrees of damage inflicted)
Crit-pass = Inflict a killing blow (what it says on the tin)
Doubles Pass = +1 damage ignores opponent AV or Dismounted/Disarmed penalty
Doubles Fail = Dismounted and/or Disarmed penalty


(1) Personal Combat
>DC 84
>3 rolls of 1d100

(2) Ranged Combat
>DC 50
>2 rolls of 1d100
No Crossbow fire this round.

(3) Battle Progress: Overwhelming Force [8]
>70DC next round)
>3 rolls of 1d100.
>Won combat, +1 Battle Progress Re-Roll

8 rolls of 1d100, kniggas.

Victory is within sight, drive these copper clippers out!
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Rolled 89 (1d100)

>>3927619
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Rolled 12 (1d100)

>>3927619
Praise the dice gods.
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Rolled 67 (1d100)

>>3927619
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Rolled 43 (1d100)

>>3927619
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Rolled 83 (1d100)

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>>3927620
Are you freaking serious? Do I re-roll mine?
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>>3927620

save the reroll
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Rolled 41 (1d100)

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>>3927630
Don't.
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Rolled 13 (1d100)

>>3927623
Using Opponent Re-Roll to counter this.
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>>3927630
nope, 2 success is fine
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Rolled 15 (1d100)

>>3927619
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>>3927637
Blast.
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>>3927637
rip landsknecht boi
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Rolled 70 (1d100)

>>3927619
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>>3927637
Does this mean we have 1 success currently or 2?

>>3927629
>>3927634
Link your rolls pls
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>>3927645
2 he needed above 84
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>>3927644
This is a success right? DC is 70
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>>3927648
yes
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>>3927637
>>3927640
>>3927620
>>3927619
Saving the re-roll
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>>3927620
>>3927622
>>3927623
>>3927637
>2 Success

>>3927627
>>3927629
>1 hit.
You have 1 re-roll, at your discretion.

>>3927634
>>3927639
>>3927644
>3 Success

Looks like the field is yours, but let's see if you get that kill.
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>>3927652
We won't be rolling for battle progress anymore correct?
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Rolled 1 (1d5)

QM rolling allocation of Bluejay ranged hit.

1 = Guiseppi Russo, Primus Pilus
2 = Alessandro Petri, First Sergeant
3 = Angus the Tall, Sergeant
4 = Roberto Cuss, Arbalest
5 = Lugi the Sly, Arbalest
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>>3927658
Oh Jack Jehova you're a blessing.
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Lmao that motherfucker's getting all the arrows shot at him
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>>3927655
Correct. The day is yours. Depending on these rolls now, that will affect whether they call it quits in melee too.

>>3927658
Haha, kill stealer.
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>>3927661
He now knows how we felt with his crossbows.
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We should keep a halberd after this fight is done, got to have options for enemies with heavy armor.
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Rolled 85 (1d100)

>>3927436
QM rolling for Guiseppi Russo's AV against the ranged attack. If he fails this I will attempt to use Russo's companion Death's Door to save him. But mercs, y'know.

Guiseppe Russo Armour Value = 35AV [Full-Plate +30AV, Freeblade Men of Steel +5AV]
>35AV
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>>3927670
Yeah, we should certainly get a blunt damage weapon to be alongside with our sword if we survive this.
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>>3927672
IT'S FINALLY OVER! JACK JEHOVA DELIVERS THE KILLING SHOT!
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>>3927672
Rip
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Rolled 62 (1d100)

>>3927672
Roll to see if Death's Door activates.

Angus the Tall, COMRADE 100%. [Mercenary -50%].

>DC50
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>>3927672
F for this absolute unit
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We could get a maul or a hammer
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We already have a sword shits
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Rolled 12, 78 = 90 (2d100)

>>3927677
Damn. Didn't have to do your boy like that, copper clipper.


QM rolling AV for remaining Langlish Sergeants from Sir Andrei's 2 damage.

Angus the Tall, Armour Value = 30AV [Full-Plate +30AV, Freeblade Men of Steel +5AV, Avenger -5AV]
>30AV
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>>3927677
Bye buddy!
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>>3927672
>>3927677
Rest in piece Guiseppe. You've been a great opponent. It's a shame your fellows didn't have the camaraderie you had. I wish you could've survived this battle alive. If he offers quarter lets give it to him as long as he drops his weapons.
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>>3927690
nope ded
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Hey Forgotten have you ever considered making a discord for this?
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>>3927744
Not really. I know discord is a contentious issue on /qtg/. It's what gamers use to chat, right?
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>Inflicted 2 Damage!
>Guiseppe Russo, Primus Pilus is SLAIN!
>Angus the Tall is Injured
>+2 Battle Progress [10]
>The Battle is Won, Victory is Yours!

Your opponent is wily enough to use the slight advantage in height he enjoys from the ridge to extend his reach and attempt to break through your guard with a flurry of blows. But his wound betrays him, his attacks from the left side are feeble and easily brushed off. With more room to manoeuvre than in the mad press of the melee before, you manage to fend of his attacks with ease until he overextends himself. One of his fellow swordsmen tries to pick up the attack where his leader left off, but Sir dan Marc crunches his pommel into the man’s nose with wicked force and ensures you’re not flanked by the rapidly disintegrating Langlish position.

The Langlish officer is on the back foot, reeling from your sudden change in stance as his footing collapses. He stumbles back, before rallying himself for another bullish attack. He stops all of the sudden, sword raised high. You cock your head and notice the arrow shaft protruding from his right eye socket. The big man seems as surprised as you when he lurches like a tavern drunk and then collapses on his back into the dirt with a meaty thud.

A voice that sounds suspiciously like Jack Jehova preens from the woods. ”Hah! Gottem!”

[1/2]
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>>3927754
yeah it splits the player base as the discord groups make the plans that those who don't use discord are not privy to resulting in drama when non discord users go against the plans of those in the discord.
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>>3927754
Yeah, it's pretty useful for non-gaming shit too. I'm in one QM's discord, the guy who ran Dark Empire quest.
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>>3927756
Gottem
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[2/2]

You are almost disappointed that a twist of fate robbed you of the final blow, but death of the mercenary leader has not gone unnoticed. The surrounding mercenaries eye you and your companions warily as they edge back, already most are attempting to flee as the last stand turns into a rout. It’s not easy for a man in full-plate to outrun a lightly armoured rebel… you could take a lot of prisoners and loot here if you can spare the time.

From the sounds of fighting further up in the ruins, the Queensmen and other factions are still well occupied.

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> “No need to waste anymore time on this lot, let them slink off to lick their wounds.” You have a mission here, and can brook no delay. Your squire can remain to ensure you get your share of the spoils, if there is any worth your attention.

>“Keep on them, run them down!” Your blood is up, and most of the Bluejays seems as keen as you to hunt the Langlish down. The prospect of some valuable gear taken intact is enough for a short delay, some plate-armour would be nice…

> “They’ve had enough. Leave the dead, see what we can do about our wounded. Eyes on that western approach, from the besieged side.” A brief pause in the operation is necessary, if only to get your wound looked at and set up a proper perimeter before the strike force enters the ruins.
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>“They’ve had enough. Leave the dead, see what we can do about our wounded. Eyes on that western approach, from the besieged side.” A brief pause in the operation is necessary, if only to get your wound looked at and set up a proper perimeter before the strike force enters the ruins.
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>>3927792
> “They’ve had enough. Leave the dead, see what we can do about our wounded. Eyes on that western approach, from the besieged side.” A brief pause in the operation is necessary, if only to get your wound looked at and set up a proper perimeter before the strike force enters the ruins
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>>3927792
>>3927797
Forgot to link.
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>>3927792
>“They’ve had enough. Leave the dead, see what we can do about our wounded. Eyes on that western approach, from the besieged side.” A brief pause in the operation is necessary, if only to get your wound looked at and set up a proper perimeter before the strike force enters the ruins.

Normally I would go with the first option but we are in a sorry state ourselves.
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>>3927792
>> “No need to waste anymore time on this lot, let them slink off to lick their wounds.” You have a mission here, and can brook no delay. Your squire can remain to ensure you get your share of the spoils, if there is any worth your attention.
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>>3927792
>> “They’ve had enough. Leave the dead, see what we can do about our wounded. Eyes on that western approach, from the besieged side.” A brief pause in the operation is necessary, if only to get your wound looked at and set up a proper perimeter before the strike force enters the ruins.
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I think we should capture a few just to see what's going on with this whole debacle
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>>3927792
>> “They’ve had enough. Leave the dead, see what we can do about our wounded. Eyes on that western approach, from the besieged side.” A brief pause in the operation is necessary, if only to get your wound looked at and set up a proper perimeter before the strike force enters the ruins.
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I'm going to call an end to the progressive updates here with the conclusion of the battle. I will update again tonight in about 8 hours, after which we will resume the once-a-day update schedule until this chapter of the Secret War concludes.

Well done surviving this far, and pressing on even when the odds looked a little grim. My apologies for the OP crossbows, they did seem to do an inordinate amount of damage. And require a lot more rolls, maybe I should rethink how to implement ranged combat entirely.

You done well kniggas, even when the dice gods saw fit to spit in your eye,
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>>3927816
Thanks for the run Forgotten
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>>3927792
>“No need to waste anymore time on this lot, let them slink off to lick their wounds.” You have a mission here, and can brook no delay. Your squire can remain to ensure you get your share of the spoils, if there is any worth your attention.
I don't think we can afford to waste time. But we should get something for our efforts
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>>3927792
> “They’ve had enough. Leave the dead, see what we can do about our wounded. Eyes on that western approach, from the besieged side.” A brief pause in the operation is necessary, if only to get your wound looked at and set up a proper perimeter before the strike force enters the ruins.
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>>3927792
>> “No need to waste anymore time on this lot, let them slink off to lick their wounds.” You have a mission here, and can brook no delay. Your squire can remain to ensure you get your share of the spoils, if there is any worth your attention.
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>>3927816
Thanks for the marathon, my knigga.
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>>3927792
>> “They’ve had enough. Leave the dead, see what we can do about our wounded. Eyes on that western approach, from the besieged side.” A brief pause in the operation is necessary, if only to get your wound looked at and set up a proper perimeter before the strike force enters the ruins.
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>>3927792
>“They’ve had enough. Leave the dead, see what we can do about our wounded. Eyes on that western approach, from the besieged side.” A brief pause in the operation is necessary, if only to get your wound looked at and set up a proper perimeter before the strike force enters the ruins.

Eat those healing herbs we have fast and let's go. Make sure to leave the ones who sustained the worst wounds and injuries like Jack Jehova (he did more than enough) remaining outside the fort to keep a watch and rest.
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>>3927816
Thanks for the marathon Forgotten. See you in 8 hours.
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>>3927792
> “No need to waste anymore time on this lot, let them slink off to lick their wounds.” You have a mission here, and can brook no delay. Your squire can remain to ensure you get your share of the spoils, if there is any worth your attention.

We can lick out wounds once the operation is done and we are far enough away. The Queensmen are occupied right now, but that won't last forever.
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>>3927792
> “No need to waste anymore time on this lot, let them slink off to lick their wounds.” You have a mission here, and can brook no delay. Your squire can remain to ensure you get your share of the spoils, if there is any worth your attention.
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>>3927816
That was great, cheers Forgotten. Missed the whole last bit of the battle but anons made some good choices and rolled well so it's all good
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>>3927792
>“They’ve had enough. Leave the dead, see what we can do about our wounded. Eyes on that western approach, from the besieged side.” A brief pause in the operation is necessary, if only to get your wound looked at and set up a proper perimeter before the strike force enters the ruins

This is the bluejays' time to shine. They are masters at stealth and ranger stuff like this so it shouldn't be difficult.
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>>3927792
>“They’ve had enough. Leave the dead, see what we can do about our wounded. Eyes on that western approach, from the besieged side.” A brief pause in the operation is necessary, if only to get your wound looked at and set up a proper perimeter before the strike force enters the ruins
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>>3927792
>> “They’ve had enough. Leave the dead, see what we can do about our wounded. Eyes on that western approach, from the besieged side.” A brief pause in the operation is necessary, if only to get your wound looked at and set up a proper perimeter before the strike force enters the ruins.
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>>3927792
>“They’ve had enough. Leave the dead, see what we can do about our wounded. Eyes on that western approach, from the besieged side.” A brief pause in the operation is necessary, if only to get your wound looked at and set up a proper perimeter before the strike force enters the ruins

The hardest part is already over. Infiltration should be bloody easy for the Wytes, and we should have more than enough time since we chose to pursue and end the battle quickly in the last vote.
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Late but w/e.

Hey, just like in BCQ the Artist' kid is dead too! Serendipity!
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>>3927792
> “They’ve had enough. Leave the dead, see what we can do about our wounded. Eyes on that western approach, from the besieged side.” A brief pause in the operation is necessary, if only to get your wound looked at and set up a proper perimeter before the strike force enters the ruins.

If we want plate, theres the fella we shield bashed in. His plate was mostly intact.

Also we might be able to scourge up good sword for mikhal.
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>>3927917
plate needs to fit so finding a good set is practically impossible
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>>3927920
Well one of the other options already says theres a possibility of finding plate so maybeee we'll get lucky.

>>3927917
Well Mikhal actually just needs castle-forged steel right? I wonder if those halberds will do. And he does already have a buckler.
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> “They’ve had enough. Leave the dead, see what we can do about our wounded. Eyes on that western approach, from the besieged side.” A brief pause in the operation is necessary, if only to get your wound looked at and set up a proper perimeter before the strike force enters the ruins.

>Battered Companions are now Healthy
> Sir Andrei gains BATTERED Health Status.
>You still suffer the -5DC from the arm wound in the immediate future.
>The Bluejays set up a defensive position at the ruins entrance.

”Ah!” You hiss as the closest thing the Bluejays have to a healer none too gently picks debris from your wounded arm.

”Hold still. Cloth brings more dirt and filth into the wound than any other material. If I’ve missed any, you’ll catch a fever and die.” You wince as he washes the wound and continues his work.

”Hurts like the dickens, don’t it?” A similarly injured Comrade Jack Jehova winces sympathetically. How he made that shot with a crossbow graze across the neck, you’ll never know. Little wonder he won that archery competition at the tournament before you arrived.

”Hmph.” You grunt, reluctantly acknowledging the rebel’s marksmanship. ”Not a bad shot, back there.”

”I was aiming for him from the start, to be honest. Not my best work, quantity over quality and all that.” Comrade Jack Jehova says smugly. ”Hard to find that chink in the armour when they keep moving around. So thanks for pinning him in place for me, big hat.”

”You’re welcome? Ah!

”I said hold still!” The rebel healer’s reprimand is without the slightest sympathy. You wonder if your noble birth has invited some rough treatment or if he really is like this with everyone.

Jack Jehova nods at something over your shoulder. ”Looks like the others are heading in.”

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>>3928333

[2/2]

You wince again as you brush off the ‘healers’ attentions and rejoin your companions heading into the ruins side passage. Sir dan Marc nods at your approach. ”How’s the arm, sire?”

”Still attached, last I checked.” Everyone laughs too hard at the bad joke, as men are wont to do when nervous. ”Truthfully though, my ribs hurt more than my arm. This breastplate will need a few dents worked out at the end.”

Your brother’s smile is more from forced courage than good humour as he steps over the threshold of the dimly ruins passageway. ”Cheer up, little brother. Bruises heal. And I’m sure the ladies at court will find your new scar enamouring.”

”Montbrun women, maybe.” You remark wryly, stepping into the gloom after him.

It sounds like the fighting has spread to inside the ruins above. Your companions and a select few Bluejays are part of the task force heading inside, most of the lightly armoured rebels are left outside to secure the exit.

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> Even if the Langlish sent a runner to their employers before you overwhelmed their position, it sounds like they have their hands full. If you can avoid more fighting you will, but you won’t slow down your pace to sneak past any patrols. [Haughty]

> Speed and unexpected force is your ally here. You move with all haste through the tunnels to where the captives are likely located. A lighting strike will mean combat is highly likely, but it will save you precious time. [Hearty]

>You can ill afford another melee in your state, much less find yourself bogged down in a drawn out engagement as faction forces from one side or the other flood the area. You will do your best to avoid engagement, even if it means delays as you wait for enemies to pass by. [Idealist]
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>>3928341
>> Speed and unexpected force is your ally here. You move with all haste through the tunnels to where the captives are likely located. A lighting strike will mean combat is highly likely, but it will save you precious time. [Hearty]

Remember guys, time is of the essence here. If we waste too much of it we wont just be fighting the mercs, we'll be sandwiched between both them, and the queensmen as well. As the clock ticks, things get much, much more dangerous
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>>3928341
> Speed and unexpected force is your ally here. You move with all haste through the tunnels to where the captives are likely located. A lighting strike will mean combat is highly likely, but it will save you precious time. [Hearty]

Didn't they have something.... else in here?

also we're still on a schedule, the Queensmen are due any hour now and we stand no hope against them.
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>>3928341
>> Speed and unexpected force is your ally here. You move with all haste through the tunnels to where the captives are likely located. A lighting strike will mean combat is highly likely, but it will save you precious time. [Hearty]
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>>3928341
>Even if the Langlish sent a runner to their employers before you overwhelmed their position, it sounds like they have their hands full. If you can avoid more fighting you will, but you won’t slow down your pace to sneak past any patrols. [Haughty]
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>>3928341
>> Speed and unexpected force is your ally here. You move with all haste through the tunnels to where the captives are likely located. A lighting strike will mean combat is highly likely, but it will save you precious time. [Hearty]
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>>3928341
>Speed and unexpected force is your ally here. You move with all haste through the tunnels to where the captives are likely located. A lighting strike will mean combat is highly likely, but it will save you precious time. [Hearty]
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>>3928341
>> Speed and unexpected force is your ally here. You move with all haste through the tunnels to where the captives are likely located. A lighting strike will mean combat is highly likely, but it will save you precious time. [Hearty]
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>>3928341
> Speed and unexpected force is your ally here. You move with all haste through the tunnels to where the captives are likely located. A lighting strike will mean combat is highly likely, but it will save you precious time. [Hearty]
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>>3928341
>You can ill afford another melee in your state, much less find yourself bogged down in a drawn out engagement as faction forces from one side or the other flood the area. You will do your best to avoid engagement, even if it means delays as you wait for enemies to pass by. [Idealist]
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>>3928341
>> Even if the Langlish sent a runner to their employers before you overwhelmed their position, it sounds like they have their hands full. If you can avoid more fighting you will, but you won’t slow down your pace to sneak past any patrols. [Haughty]
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>>3928341
> Speed and unexpected force is your ally here. You move with all haste through the tunnels to where the captives are likely located. A lighting strike will mean combat is highly likely, but it will save you precious time. [Hearty]

Best to get in and get out as fast as possible even if we have to crack some heads. If we had not rested a moment caution would be the best bet, but we are now as ready as we are going to be!
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>>3928341
>> Speed and unexpected force is your ally here. You move with all haste through the tunnels to where the captives are likely located. A lighting strike will mean combat is highly likely, but it will save you precious time. [Hearty]
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>>3928341
>> Speed and unexpected force is your ally here. You move with all haste through the tunnels to where the captives are likely located. A lighting strike will mean combat is highly likely, but it will save you precious time. [Hearty]
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>>3928341
> Even if the Langlish sent a runner to their employers before you overwhelmed their position, it sounds like they have their hands full. If you can avoid more fighting you will, but you won’t slow down your pace to sneak past any patrols. [Haughty]
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>>3928341
>>> Speed and unexpected force is your ally here. You move with all haste through the tunnels to where the captives are likely located. A lighting strike will mean combat is highly likely, but it will save you precious time. [Hearty]
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>>3928341
>> Speed and unexpected force is your ally here. You move with all haste through the tunnels to where the captives are likely located. A lighting strike will mean combat is highly likely, but it will save you precious time. [Hearty]
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>>3928341
> Speed and unexpected force is your ally here. You move with all haste through the tunnels to where the captives are likely located. A lighting strike will mean combat is highly likely, but it will save you precious time. [Hearty]
We do not want any engagement with the Queensmen. At all. Don't even want them to know we were here. The bluejays of course but not us personally
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>>3928341

> Speed and unexpected force is your ally here. You move with all haste through the tunnels to where the captives are likely located. A lighting strike will mean combat is highly likely, but it will save you precious time. [Hearty
Ok time to finsh this shit up
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>>3928341
>You can ill afford another melee in your state, much less find yourself bogged down in a drawn out engagement as faction forces from one side or the other flood the area. You will do your best to avoid engagement, even if it means delays as you wait for enemies to pass by. [Idealist]
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>>3928341
>Speed and unexpected force is your ally here. You move with all haste through the tunnels to where the captives are likely located. A lighting strike will mean combat is highly likely, but it will save you precious time. [Hearty]

TIME FOR OPERATION: FLYING BRICK
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Claiming ID
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So far we've proven ourselves as a knight, a woodsman, a rogue, now it's time to unveil our courageous knight in his new form... THE BALLISTIC MISSILE!
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These bluejays would make a nice archer unit for a small army
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>>3928577
I bet the first person we run into is Sir Gilbern
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>>3929547
Well it is now. I swear our paranoia gives Forgotten half his ideas
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It's not paranoia if the dice really are out to get you.
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> Speed and unexpected force is your ally here. You move with all haste through the tunnels to where the captives are likely located. A lighting strike will mean combat is highly likely, but it will save you precious time. [Hearty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf4O9iS3NeM – Ruins Assault Theme

Your party storms down the dimly lit passageways with no thought for stealth, steel clanking and boots pounding on the ancient cobblestones as you make a beeline for where the captives are supposedly kept. The stones overhead are mossy and ancient, you find yourself wondering how old this place really is. A rebel whistles and your party halts suddenly, torches dipping low against the wall to dim the light.

A nervous voice ahead wheedles. ”…but didn’t Urze say we was to check on the Langlish, see what the fuck the runner was about?”

”Fuck that! You saw the same thing I did, that red fucker is killing anyone and anything in his way now. Stupid noble fucks and their meddling!” An angry, bossy voice snaps back just around the corner. ”Let’s just get the fuck out of here. No amount of gold is worth... whatever that was.”

”They’re saying it’s something from the Pit. Something they dug up with them prisoners…” A timid third voice chips in.

”They don’t know what they’re bloody…” The angry, bossy voice turns the corner and you find yourself face-to-face with the owner who stops in his tracks. ”Who the-“

Your brother’s blade chops into the man’s face with a meaty thunk, splitting him from crown to eyebrow. You don’t know when Comrade Lilac Widow sidled up in the darkness, but a bright red smile appears on the timid one’s throat and he slumps down gargling. You didn’t even see rebel’s thrown knife that thuds into the nervous one’s armpit. A fatal blow, but not enough to stop him slipping past Sir dan Marc’s tackle and scrabbling to a side passage leading upstairs.

”Fucking fuck!” Comrade Widow leaps after him, but you call her back. "I missed! I never miss! Bloody dark..."

”Leave him.” She scowls at you, but you shrug indifferently. You care not for the rebel hussy's opinion, her obedience will do. ”Only a matter of time before they knew we were here. Let’s see this through before they can do anything about it.”

A few minutes more of stomping through the dungeon and before long you find what you’re looking for.

[1/2]
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>>3930209

[2/2]

The captives are kept in a large cavern, half ruins and half natural cave walls from the look of it. There are a dozen cages, most packed to the brim with strange and bizarre beastfolk. Most of which are species you’ve never seen. The diminutive avians for example, are a much rarer breed than the numerous goat-folk you’re all too familiar with. And the dwarf-sized squirrels, if that’s what they are, are as well dressed as any yeoman. You’ve never even heard of such a breed. The captives appear to be younglings for the most part, with a few grown specimens scattered amongst them which you assume are females.

More worryingly are the cages with single occupants. A direwolf, curled around a few small patches of fur snarls at your entrance. And a feathered serpent of some sort, or a deer, is held in the cage next to it. It is clearly distressed to be in such close proximity to a feral she-wolf. Your eyes stay for a few seconds on the next cage, the first Great Bear you have ever seen. Fur so luscious it could be described as golden, the noble beast that is the symbol of your house has clearly passed away.

There are four guards in the same brigandine armour and masks as the ones you encountered earlier. One of them leaps up from his makeshift seat, brandishing a crude mace. ”Who goes there?!”

Another masked man stands up, clear blue eyes that glisten in the light. He looks at your masks and lack of heradly and seems to calm down. He sheathes his own shortblade, scratching at a pock-mark under his mask.

”Easy Orin, they ain’t no bloody Queenfuckers.” The light-eyed one gestures for his nervous companion to settle down. He looks at your bloody blade with a raised eyebrow. ”You came from up top? What in the Pit is going on up there?”

Clearly the man you missed earlier didn’t run in this direction. The hired blade seems entirely unaware that you’re a hostile third party.

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>”The Queensmen have taken the wall, Urze wants all hands up there. We’re to… ‘take care’ of the prisoners. Move it.” You do your best impression of a murderous villain, eyeing the frightened beast-children like a butcher in the stockyard. [Haughty]

>”…” You step forward and drive your blade through the nearest thug’s gut. In a few short moments of butchery, the deed is done. [Hearty]

>”Lay down your weapons and walk away, or prepare to defend yourselves!” You have the edge in numbers and quality, if it comes to a fight you should be able to overcome them quickly. [Idealist]
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>>3930212
>>”The Queensmen have taken the wall, Urze wants all hands up there. We’re to… ‘take care’ of the prisoners. Move it.” You do your best impression of a murderous villain, eyeing the frightened beast-children like a butcher in the stockyard. [Haughty]
would our reroll for status work here
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>>3930212
>>”…” You step forward and drive your blade through the nearest thug’s gut. In a few short moments of butchery, the deed is done. [Hearty]

We don't have time to waste and I'd rather not send the enemy reinforcements. Combat might drag out, it's a risk yes, but we have the element of surprise and might clean them all up before it gets to that. Strike hard strike fast and lets get the fuck out of here
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>>3930214
Wait... would these guys be considered defenceless for "His Blade Defends the Helpless" considering they do not realise we are enemies? I think not but... what do you guys think?
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>>3930215
yeah i was worried about that which i s why i went for deception
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>>3930212
>More worryingly are the cages with single occupants. A direwolf, curled around a few small patches of fur snarls at your entrance. And a feathered serpent of some sort, or a deer, is held in the cage next to it. It is clearly distressed to be in such close proximity to a feral she-wolf. Your eyes stay for a few seconds on the next cage, the first Great Bear you have ever seen.

Im beginning to think this might not be a Canton plot, this seems to Imply something similar to the Carthaggi's we met earlier.

>”Lay down your weapons and walk away, or prepare to defend yourselves!” You have the edge in numbers and quality, if it comes to a fight you should be able to overcome them quickly. [Idealist]

I know we can't afford prisoners but a fight seems distasteful and potentially avoidable here
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Persuade +1 (Noble Privilege: Activates against lower social status)
hopefully this can be used vs them
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>>3930212
>>”…” You step forward and drive your blade through the nearest thug’s gut. In a few short moments of butchery, the deed is done. [Hearty]

>>3924767
me
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>>3930212
Changing my vote here
>>3930214
to

>”The Queensmen have taken the wall, Urze wants all hands up there. We’re to… ‘take care’ of the prisoners. Move it.” You do your best impression of a murderous villain, eyeing the frightened beast-children like a butcher in the stockyard. [Haughty]

I feel like the best option practically is to kill them quickly and get to it but... it's not honourable and I think they might be leaning too far towards being defenceless. If we're able to just stroll up with a smile and gut one of them I think we might be pushing it on our Knights Code
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>>3930212
>”…” You step forward and drive your blade through the nearest thug’s gut. In a few short moments of butchery, the deed is done. [Hearty]
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>>3930212
>”The Queensmen have taken the wall, Urze wants all hands up there. We’re to… ‘take care’ of the prisoners. Move it.” You do your best impression of a murderous villain, eyeing the frightened beast-children like a butcher in the stockyard. [Haughty]

>”Lay down your weapons and walk away, or prepare to defend yourselves!” You have the edge in numbers and quality, if it comes to a fight you should be able to overcome them quickly. [Idealist]
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>>3930212
>The Queensmen have taken the wall, Urze wants all hands up there. We’re to… ‘take care’ of the prisoners. Move it.” You do your best impression of a murderous villain, eyeing the frightened beast-children like a butcher in the stockyard. [Haughty]
Use that voice of authority and air of command which comes with being born a noble
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>>3930212
>”The Queensmen have taken the wall, Urze wants all hands up there. We’re to… ‘take care’ of the prisoners. Move it.” You do your best impression of a murderous villain, eyeing the frightened beast-children like a butcher in the stockyard. [Haughty]
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>>3930212
>>”The Queensmen have taken the wall, Urze wants all hands up there. We’re to… ‘take care’ of the prisoners. Move it.” You do your best impression of a murderous villain, eyeing the frightened beast-children like a butcher in the stockyard. [Haughty]
>>3928345
Me
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>>3930212
>”Lay down your weapons and walk away, or prepare to defend yourselves!” You have the edge in numbers and quality, if it comes to a fight you should be able to overcome them quickly. [Idealist]
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>>3930212
>”The Queensmen have taken the wall, Urze wants all hands up there. We’re to… ‘take care’ of the prisoners. Move it.” You do your best impression of a murderous villain, eyeing the frightened beast-children like a butcher in the stockyard. [Haughty]

Make sure to let the prisoners know though that we mean no harm after the guards leave. The Bluejays would know how to deal with them and can certainly help us. Also, that great bear is awesome. Would love to have him as a companion pet.
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>>3928360
Me btw
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>>3930239

anon i...
>the noble beast that is the symbol of your house has clearly passed away.
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>>3930212
>”Lay down your weapons and walk away, or prepare to defend yourselves!” You have the edge in numbers and quality, if it comes to a fight you should be able to overcome them quickly. [Idealist]

>>3930243
Aww damn
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>>3928369
Mein
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>>3930243
Would it be bad taste to turn it into a badass Armour piece? it would be cool to hunt one of these things but Im not sure if thats even more sacrareligous
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>>3930212
>”The Queensmen have taken the wall, Urze wants all hands up there. We’re to… ‘take care’ of the prisoners. Move it.” You do your best impression of a murderous villain, eyeing the frightened beast-children like a butcher in the stockyard. [Haughty]

Not even a lie is it?
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>>3930212
>”…” You step forward and drive your blade through the nearest thug’s gut. In a few short moments of butchery, the deed is done. [Hearty]
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>>3930212
>”The Queensmen have taken the wall, Urze wants all hands up there. We’re to… ‘take care’ of the prisoners. Move it.” You do your best impression of a murderous villain, eyeing the frightened beast-children like a butcher in the stockyard. [Haughty]
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>>3930212
>>”The Queensmen have taken the wall, Urze wants all hands up there. We’re to… ‘take care’ of the prisoners. Move it.” You do your best impression of a murderous villain, eyeing the frightened beast-children like a butcher in the stockyard. [Haughty]
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>>3930212
>”The Queensmen have taken the wall, Urze wants all hands up there. We’re to… ‘take care’ of the prisoners. Move it.” You do your best impression of a murderous villain, eyeing the frightened beast-children like a butcher in the stockyard. [Haughty
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>>3930212
>>”…” You step forward and drive your blade through the nearest thug’s gut. In a few short moments of butchery, the deed is done. [Hearty]
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>>3930212
>>”Lay down your weapons and walk away, or prepare to defend yourselves!” You have the edge in numbers and quality, if it comes to a fight you should be able to overcome them quickly. [Idealist]

We are an honorable knight, deception is not our way.
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>”The Queensmen have taken the wall, Urze wants all hands up there. We’re to… ‘take care’ of the prisoners. Move it.” You do your best impression of a murderous villain, eyeing the frightened beast-children like a butcher in the stockyard. [Haughty]

>>3930439
They'll probably alert a larger force. We shouldn't even be here in the first place, so traditional knightly values are out of the window until we're out of this.
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>>3930448
> They'll probably alert a larger force

There's no one else down here as far as we know, all the others Langlish are above ground.
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>>3930212
>>”The Queensmen have taken the wall, Urze wants all hands up there. We’re to… ‘take care’ of the prisoners. Move it.” You do your best impression of a murderous villain, eyeing the frightened beast-children like a butcher in the stockyard. [Haughty]
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>>3930243
We must give it a prayer befor we go.
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>>3930212
>”Lay down your weapons and walk away, or prepare to defend yourselves!” You have the edge in numbers and quality, if it comes to a fight you should be able to overcome them quickly. [Idealist]
Being a true knight isn't always practical...but Emile is a true knight and the guy put his sword away. That would be killing an unarmed man.
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>>3930212
>>”The Queensmen have taken the wall, Urze wants all hands up there. We’re to… ‘take care’ of the prisoners. Move it.” You do your best impression of a murderous villain, eyeing the frightened beast-children like a butcher in the stockyard. [Haughty]
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>>3930714
Exactly. Most people on this quest keep voting to powergame instead of RP. I don't think they realize that we're supposed to be a LG knight.
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>>3930448
forgot to link my vote (hearty)
>>3930212
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>>3930746
>LG
Excuse me if some of us want to play an actual person depth and layers and not an D&D alignment devoid of nuance and personally.
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>>3930776
>>3930746
I agree. D&D alignments are mind numbing and Lawful Good is particularly stupid sometimes.
It doesn't get away from the fact that Emile is not a cold-blooded killer nor is he particularly deceitful.
I try to look at it this way. He just barged in a room. We have Emile, how would HE react to a room full of potential enemies. The idealist seems the most like our knight.
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>>3930776
It's almost as if this is a fantasy CYOA game on a Mongolian throat singing website and not real life.
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>>3930212
>”Lay down your weapons and walk away, or prepare to defend yourselves!” You have the edge in numbers and quality, if it comes to a fight you should be able to overcome them quickly. [Idealist]
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>>3930212
>>”The Queensmen have taken the wall, Urze wants all hands up there. We’re to… ‘take care’ of the prisoners. Move it.” You do your best impression of a murderous villain, eyeing the frightened beast-children like a butcher in the stockyard. [Haughty]
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I have updated the Plots & Intrigue pastebin to include the details our brother gave us. Including the possible involvement of House Hewitt as middleman for hiring the mercenaries or their new trade goods being capture monsters,
that didn't made it to our response last thread. Good on the anon that notice it because I completely miss it. I might add my crazy theory that the fae trapped the souls in Fallavon's Fields in a nightly cycle of death later on.

Tell me if there anything something missing.

https://pastebin.com/HW6tG7TW
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>>3931011
Good to see my raving was substantiated in reality, what do you think of the possibility that anon posted here >>3930217 about the possibility of this being a Carthaggi plot?
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>>3931011
The whole soul trapping is decent plot twist on the vigil. Good work Anon
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>>3931034
I don't discard the possibility of foreigner influence pointing the prince at this ruin for whatever reason, but in this case I would bet its Kyrios' rivals putting the word that they would pay handsomely for a live direwolf and the Langlish taking the opportunity to acquiring one. Or a simple coincidence since a live direwolf should be worth a lot anyway.
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>>3930212
>>”Lay down your weapons and walk away, or prepare to defend yourselves!” You have the edge in numbers and quality, if it comes to a fight you should be able to overcome them quickly. [Idealist]
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While we wait for Forgotten I want to hear what you guys think they are digging out of the ruins. I have a few theories myself.

>The tomb of one of the spouses of the Brothers
This could be particularly dangerous to the Queen and Church because it could be use as a strong precedent for the future king to marry someone outside the church.

>The Blade of Anguish
Cain's own blade mention by Father Towbray while preaching. The Prince could undermined the Queen's authority over the Cain Aligned Orders with should a strong symbol.

>A Son of Sin
The creatures that the Order of Chains apparently is tasked to hunt. Dunno why would someone want to dig one out.
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>>3931096
I think the final resting place of Salvae Raginae. Or at least where her remains were moved to
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>>3931096
I'm thinking a son of sin, it's come up once already on this adventure so it makes sense in a meta sense.

But we have little enough to go on so far besides that
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>>3930212
>”Lay down your weapons and walk away, or prepare to defend yourselves!” You have the edge in numbers and quality, if it comes to a fight you should be able to overcome them quickly. [Idealist]

They aren't armed.
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>>3930212
>>”The Queensmen have taken the wall, Urze wants all hands up there. We’re to… ‘take care’ of the prisoners. Move it.” You do your best impression of a murderous villain, eyeing the frightened beast-children like a butcher in the stockyard. [Haughty]
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>>3930212
>>3930239
>”Lay down your weapons and walk away, or prepare to defend yourselves!” You have the edge in numbers and quality, if it comes to a fight you should be able to overcome them quickly. [Idealist]
Changing to this since it's in-character and fitting for RP
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>>3930212
>>”The Queensmen have taken the wall, Urze wants all hands up there. We’re to… ‘take care’ of the prisoners. Move it.” You do your best impression of a murderous villain, eyeing the frightened beast-children like a butcher in the stockyard. [Haughty]

This is the best option without a doubt
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>>3930212
>>”The Queensmen have taken the wall, Urze wants all hands up there. We’re to… ‘take care’ of the prisoners. Move it.” You do your best impression of a murderous villain, eyeing the frightened beast-children like a butcher in the stockyard. [Haughty]
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>>3930217
What do you mean we can't afford prisoners? Cages for days here.

Alternatively we could go full thorns and let them fight it out with the Jays by doing Haughty.
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>>3931555
I suppose we could cage them and leave them but we definitely can't guard them or take them with us. Might be risky though, letting all the Foe out with these two standing around looking for an opportunity to fuck things up before we have them in a cage
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idealist relies on them fearing us more then the red giant
haughty is believable and at least puts them between us and the roi guard
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>>3931555
Point but we'll be leaving them to the Queensman as defenseless prisoners to be slaughtered it's pretty terrible thing to do especially considering freeing prisoners are the reason we're here
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>>3930228
Changing to
>>3930212
>”Lay down your weapons and walk away, or prepare to defend yourselves!” You have the edge in numbers and quality, if it comes to a fight you should be able to overcome them quickly. [Idealist]
I'm on my phone at work
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Im an id
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>>3931605
No anon... you're more than just an id
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>”The Queensmen have taken the wall, Urze wants all hands up there. We’re to… ‘take care’ of the prisoners. Move it.” You do your best impression of a murderous villain, eyeing the frightened beast-children like a butcher in the stockyard. [Haughty]

Persuasion Roll
> Believable Deception 60DC
> Higher Social Standing +20DC
> Noble Privilege +1 Re-Roll against lower social standing
> (Change in wealth has no effect until next stop at civilization)
> 80DC

0 = The light-eyes ignorance was a feint, you find yourself under sudden attack.
1 = They don’t buy it. Steel it is then.
2 = The guards dither about wasting time, but eventually leave.
3 = Your natural born authority and adopted sinister persona has the guards clearing out double-time. A plot ringleader is identified.
Double Pass/Fail = +1 (unreliable) Companion.
Critfail = The runner must have found help.

3 rolls of 1d100. You have 1 Re-Roll.
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Rolled 44 (1d100)

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Rolled 26 (1d100)

>>3931629
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Rolled 94 (1d100)

>>3931629
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>>3931632
wanna reroll?
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Rolled 10 (1d100)

>>3931629
>>3931632
I guess we'll re-roll this and get three successes
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>>3931630
>>3931631
>>3931634
Hail Hydra
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>>3931634
>>3931631
>>3931630
Nice we got the name of a ringleader and a double.
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>>3931630
>>3931631
>>3931634
Gud Jeb.
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>>3931630
>>3931631
>>3931632
>>3931634

>3 Success
>Double Success!
>You gain a Hired Blade Companion
Gain +1 Step on the Path of Thorns [2]
>You may not take the ‘His Word Speaks Only Truth’ code until you have done penance.
Please remember, Path off Thorns is a punishment. It simply shows that you’re pragmatic enough to not rule out deception in dire circumstances. The ‘penance’ can be done at a Vigil in lieu of Adam/Cain points, or after a period of penitent service with a Holy Order.

”The Queensmen have taken the wall, Urze wants all hands up there. We’re to… ‘take care’ of the prisoners.” You turn your emotionless helm to the cages of young and she-folk, your meaning clear enough. Comrade Lilac widow runs her knife down the bars with a menacing clamour. Sir dan Marc’s disgusted snort is, for his part, likely real. You are surprised at how easy it is to play the villain and deceive the louts.

”As you say, milord.” The light-eyes bows slightly, knowing that people of his ilk don’t get anywhere good by talking back to nobles. Especially not nobles willing to engage in cold-blooded murder.

”Wha- ‘take care of ‘em’? You don’t mean… By the Pit that’s some dark work.” The scrappy young hired blade with the mace speaks out of turn. ”Egil, we ain’t really letting ‘em… right?”

”Shut it, Orin. You can whine to his Dukeness about your moral qualms. I’m sure he won’t throw you off the top of one of his bloody mountains.” The light-eyed one called ‘Egil’ is made of colder stuff. And he’s unwittingly confirmed that the Duke Montbrun is a conspirator, perhaps even the mastermind. ”You took the coin, now you bloody earn it. Let’s leave these lads to it.”

”I…” The young man called Orin backs away, shaking his head. He stands between a dozen armed men and the youngling cages, shaky hand still wrapped around his crude mace. ”Naw. This ain’t right. Trucking with slavers is one thing but…but I ain’t letting you hurt any of these younglings!”

You regard the rebellious hired blade with fresh eyes, it’s rare to see valour of this sort from a common thug. Or perhaps he’s just incredibly bad at calculating the odds.

”Fucksake Orin, don’t.“ The light-eyes looks uneasy now, worried at how you’ll react to this unwise display of heroics over obedience. His stances makes it clear he’s not siding with the young man’s foolishness. ”Shit, excuse him milord he’s just a dumb-“

”Leave.” You bark at the other hired blades. Your sneering tone puts paid to any notion of defiance. ”I will deal with this… insubordination.”

They do not need to be told twice, scurrying off one of the many side passages. You note it’s not the one where sounds of heavy combat can be heard echoing from. Craven curs, the lot of them. Except this one.

[1/2]
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>>3931668
*Path of Thorns is NOT a punishment.
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[2/2]

Left alone in the cavern with three heavily armoured knights and masked rebels crowding him, the young man seems to be regretting his decision. But not enough to lower his weapon.

”You can put that down now, kiddo.” Comrade Widow smirks, evidently deciding not to put a knife between his eyes. ”We’re not really with that lot. We’re the rescue mission. Sam Wyte’s Bluejays, here to kick ass and save the day. What’s that make us Lockheed?”

”Big damn heroes.”

”Ain’t we just.”

You could not for all the world imagine a more villainous looking pair these two unrepentant traitors to the Crown. But lessons of late have led you to put less stock in appearances than deeds that you might have previously.

”What? That doesn’t…” The mace dips a fraction, fear mixing with bewilderment in his eyes. ”I- I’m confused.”

”Pleasure to meet you, Confused.” Your brother must be smiling under his helm, he even tells the same jokes as Father now. He puts his gauntlet on the weapon’s haft gently, and jingles a set of keys in front of the bewildered commoner. ”Let’s get these poor souls out safely, eh?”

Despite his complete lack of comprehension, the young man does not resist. ”…I’m -really- confused.”

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>”Alright let’s get to work. No, not that one you fool!” This may be a rescue mission, but you have no intention of letting a direwolf or whatever that other monster is out loose in these tight confines. Sometimes your brother is too naive. [Haughty]

>”Easy little ones, we’re not here to hurt you. Let’s get these cages open.” You help your brother and the rebels open the cages with all haste. The sooner you get these…ugh, ‘people’ out of here, the less likely you’ll have a run in with any Queensmen. [Hearty]

>”Do what you came here for, brother. Sir dan Marc, some light over here if you please.” Your brother and the rebels free the prisoners. Meanwhile, you look for more clues. Something here was worth risking civil war over, you mean to find out what. [Idealist]
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>>3931674
>>”Do what you came here for, brother. Sir dan Marc, some light over here if you please.” Your brother and the rebels free the prisoners. Meanwhile, you look for more clues. Something here was worth risking civil war over, you mean to find out what. [Idealist]
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>>3931674
>>”Do what you came here for, brother. Sir dan Marc, some light over here if you please.” Your brother and the rebels free the prisoners. Meanwhile, you look for more clues. Something here was worth risking civil war over, you mean to find out what. [Idealist]
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>>3931674
>>>”Do what you came here for, brother. Sir dan Marc, some light over here if you please.” Your brother and the rebels free the prisoners. Meanwhile, you look for more clues. Something here was worth risking civil war over, you mean to find out what. [Idealist]
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>>3931674
>”Do what you came here for, brother. Sir dan Marc, some light over here if you please.” Your brother and the rebels free the prisoners. Meanwhile, you look for more clues. Something here was worth risking civil war over, you mean to find out what. [Idealist]
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>>3931674
>”Do what you came here for, brother. Sir dan Marc, some light over here if you please.” Your brother and the rebels free the prisoners. Meanwhile, you look for more clues. Something here was worth risking civil war over, you mean to find out what. [Idealist]
Just tell him to leave the direwolf for last.
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>>3931674
>”Easy little ones, we’re not here to hurt you. Let’s get these cages open.” You help your brother and the rebels open the cages with all haste. The sooner you get these ‘people’ out of here, the less likely you’ll have a run in with any Queensmen. [Hearty]
>>”Do what you came here for, brother. Sir dan Marc, some light over here if you please.” Your brother and the rebels free the prisoners. Meanwhile, you look for more clues. Something here was worth risking civil war over, you mean to find out what. [Idealist]

People first, Beastmen second then the animals and then whatever they came here for with as much speed as we can muster
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>>3931680
Please note my Hearty option is amended for less revulsion about the beastmen, they may be our enemies and savages but they aren't scum of the earth disgusting.
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>>3931674
>”Do what you came here for, brother. Sir dan Marc, some light over here if you please.” Your brother and the rebels free the prisoners. Meanwhile, you look for more clues. Something here was worth risking civil war over, you mean to find out what. [Idealist]
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>>3931674
>>”Do what you came here for, brother. Sir dan Marc, some light over here if you please.” Your brother and the rebels free the prisoners. Meanwhile, you look for more clues. Something here was worth risking civil war over, you mean to find out what. [Idealist]
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>>3931674
> search for clues
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>>3931689
>>3931605
Now im new id
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>>3931674
>”Easy little ones, we’re not here to hurt you. Let’s get these cages open.” You help your brother and the rebels open the cages with all haste. The sooner you get these…ugh, ‘people’ out of here, the less likely you’ll have a run in with any Queensmen. [Hearty]

>”Do what you came here for, brother. Sir dan Marc, some light over here if you please.” Your brother and the rebels free the prisoners. Meanwhile, you look for more clues. Something here was worth risking civil war over, you mean to find out what. [Idealist]

Keep in mind to do both of these options in extreme haste. Also, It seems one of these these thugs has some honor and decency in him after all.
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>>3931674
>”Do what you came here for, brother. Sir dan Marc, some light over here if you please.” Your brother and the rebels free the prisoners. Meanwhile, you look for more clues. Something here was worth risking civil war over, you mean to find out what. [Idealist]
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>>3931674
>”Do what you came here for, brother. Sir dan Marc, some light over here if you please.” Your brother and the rebels free the prisoners. Meanwhile, you look for more clues. Something here was worth risking civil war over, you mean to find out what. [Idealist]
We must know!
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>>3931674
>”Easy little ones, we’re not here to hurt you. Let’s get these cages open.” You help your brother and the rebels open the cages with all haste. The sooner you get these…ugh, ‘people’ out of here, the less likely you’ll have a run in with any Queensmen. [Hearty]

Don't want to waste time.
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>>3931674
>”Do what you came here for, brother. Sir dan Marc, some light over here if you please.” Your brother and the rebels free the prisoners. Meanwhile, you look for more clues. Something here was worth risking civil war over, you mean to find out what. [Idealist]
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>>3931668
>Gain +1 Step on the Path of Thorns [2]
>You may not take the ‘His Word Speaks Only Truth’ code until you have done penance.

FFS retards, this is what happens when you edgefag on a Knight quest. Do you people want more Thorns points or what?

>”Do what you came here for, brother. Sir dan Marc, some light over here if you please.” Your brother and the rebels free the prisoners. Meanwhile, you look for more clues. Something here was worth risking civil war over, you mean to find out what. [Idealist]
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>>3931717
>>3931674
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>>3931717
Yeah I don't mind.
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>>3931717
I don't mind thorn points
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>>3931719
>>3931721
So you wanna go down the Evil road then? We're gonna have a full face-heel turn sooner or later with all you edgefag powergamers.
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>>3931717
>Implying this is even close to edgelording
[Laughs in black company]
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>>3931722
m8 it was either stab them and lose his blade defends the helpless
or mess a up a higher dc for surrender have a fight that wastes time or leave them locked up for the roi guard to kill or take them with us and have to deal with prisoners that could mess up our escape
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>>3931722
Super evil deeds so far
>told a lie while on mission to save innocent
>was greedy? By not sharing profit from mushrooms he did not sold yet...

Making that decision on the spot was bullshit in my opinion btw. More so because we will end up spending that coin on pilgrims one way or another.
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>>3931726
Order Reginate*
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>>3931722
Take a break from questing and relax cunt
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>>3931717
"Oh no, our usually upstanding knight made a hard choice that was slightly immoral in the moment due to the impending serious danger coming his way"

Emile isn't a saint, he's a man. A knight yes but he is fallible and will do things even he would look down on if the situation is right. Dude is under massive stress right now and doesn't want to be here helping literal traitors, but his brother needs him. He told a lie, it's not that edgy and the thorns points aren't that big a deal right now. Chill
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>>3931717
Please, it worked and we found someone with an actual moral backbone we can totally hire on.

I see this as an absolute win.
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>>3931717
I actually the thorns bonuses have been nice. Noble Privilege is super useful and a free companion is always welcome.
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>>3931739
I feel like Forgotten is reading this and rubbing his hands together, cackling madly in a dark room. "And so it begins, the road to darkness is an easy one"
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>>3931741
The one thing he wont lie about is mechanics.
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>>3931739
see thats how it starts, the nice buffs the useful companions accessing the Pit for sex shennanigans and before you know it you're sacrificing Children to lich's and putting orphans in Battlemechs.
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>>3931674
>”Do what you came here for, brother. Sir dan Marc, some light over here if you please.” Your brother and the rebels free the prisoners. Meanwhile, you look for more clues. Something here was worth risking civil war over, you mean to find out what. [Idealist]

Should have plenty of time since we avoided combat.

>>3931717
>>3931722
>>3931741
>>3931743
>>3931744
Yeah, this was powergamey and a little bit out of character edginess although not much. Problem is that the thorns or edgy option tends to be very often the easiest way out with the lightest consequences in this quest. The good or honorable option tends to be the hardest with the most significant consequences if failure occurs. This means that if you're going to powergame like what happened with Prince, then you have go against the premise of this quest which is being sworn to valour.
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>>3931744
Yeah, but right now we are lying to free some slaves and spare some idiots from getting kill. Not leaving the orphanage for the demons while we save our own hide.
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>>3931674
>>3931694
>>3931749
Oh I forgot I already have voted. Discard my second vote then please.
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>>3931749
Valor is just courage in the face of great adversity, it says nothing about being good, honest or pleasant, if anything the main theme and premise of STV is what makes a good knight and the idea of Chivalry and its place in a world that inevitably compromises or displaces its values

Prince was Valorous but a pragmatic ruthless son of a bitch willing to do anything and everything to protect those he cared about, theres a reason the mantra became ''for the company'' by the quests end.

>>3931750
I know I'm mostly just poking fun at muh edge anon because anyone who came from BCQ or has a shred of sense knows this isn't even the shallow end of the pull for edge.
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>>3931749
You make a good point about Thorns being the easy way through a situation but I think all in all we've done a pretty good job of being the valorous and upstanding knight. I feel like the anons playing this game are pretty good at knowing to stick to what Emile would do and consider what he's done in the past. We've actively been honourable which is great.

>this was powergamey and a little bit out of character edginess although not much.

Eh, I'm not so sure. I think gutting them out of the blue would definitely have been out of character which is in part why I changed my original vote. I think it makes sense for our honourable and noble knight to fail his own values some times, especially when he's put in a bad situation like this. It has to be stressful knowing there are literally 2 secret armies about to clash and you're right in the middle of it (and aware that there can be no witnesses). Makes a man do some regrettable things in the haste of it all. Ultimately he did a thing he considers bad, in order to do the right thing (whether that be help his brother or free some slaves)
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>>3931674
>>”Do what you came here for, brother. Sir dan Marc, some light over here if you please.” Your brother and the rebels free the prisoners. Meanwhile, you look for more clues. Something here was worth risking civil war over, you mean to find out what. [Idealist]
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>>3931752
It's all in good humor on my part.
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>>3931726
>or mess a up a higher dc for surrender have a fight that wastes time or leave them locked up for the roi guard to kill or take them with us and have to deal with prisoners that could mess up our escape

You're only thinking in powergaming terms, about what's the "optimal" option at the moment. This isn't a video game anon.
>>3931728
> >told a lie while on mission to save innocent

We're not saving innocents, they're monsters who are evil by nature. As soon as they go free they'll go south out of the forest and start attacking humans again, as thy always do. Of course we already voted for it so we can't change our mind now, but that doesn't mean we should dig our hole deeper.

>>3931732
Literally the whole theme of Thorns is that it's the edgefag path.

>>3931735
Sure we found one moral guy, but we didn't know that was going to happen. It doesn't justify it at all.

>>3931739
So you only care about the bonuses then? That's the very definition of powergaming.

>>3931749
Yeah everyone's picking the option that's the easiest for the current vote without thinking long-term or even considering how it effects our character.

>>3931754
>valorous and upstanding knight

We haven't done anything "valorous and upstanding" for the past several threads. Pretty much since we started our forest expedition we've been playing an honorless CN rogue.
>in order to do the right thing (whether that be help his brother or free some slaves)

We're not even doing the right thing here, as I said above. We're literally freeing monsters just because our treasonous brother working with rebels asked us to.
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>>3931768
pffft
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>>3931768
I dont understand the point you're trying to make? If we couldnt make any decision other than the "Lawful good" one every time, then it wouldnt be much of a quest. Forgotten could just write a novel at that point.
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>>3931768
>>3931754
I think the best way to mitigate the thorns or edgy option from being picked just for powergaming is to have it not always constantly be the easy way out option with the least consequences as well as the most and best rewards. Being dishonorable should have really bad consequences and little rewards depending on how dishonorable and heinous the action is. In this case it's light consequence of only having to do penance is sensible since all Emile did is tell a white lie to save the lives of both the slaves AND the people he was lying to. However, actions that are more heinous or dishonorable than this should result in way worse consequences than just having to do penance depending on the level of the action and how extreme it is. It should also affect our reputation and how people around us including companions think of us.There also should be things that Emile would never do under any circumstance due to his honorable character and previous actions.

The good or honorable option, on the other hand, should not always have very bad consequences if failure occurs or frequently be difficult to achieve and succeed at. It also should have great rewards and incentives if the result is success.
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>>3931768
Their is so much wrong this post I honestly don't know where too begin.
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YEAHHH im gonna take my horse down the old town road. I'm gonna ride till I can't no more
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>>3931768
>We haven't done anything "valorous and upstanding" for the past several threads.

That's a pretty irrelevant way to measure time bud, considering several threads could cover a single day or a whole month. On the actual scale of Emil as a knight he has been generally, and consistently upstanding, moral and valorous.

>We're not even doing the right thing here blah blah

We are helping save our brother. We are protecting family. Unfortunately that means being in a situation we don't like right now. Protecting family is arguable the right thing to do.

>they're monsters who are evil by nature

Look don't get me wrong, I'm on the "kill all foe" boat as well usually. But I think it's been made clear over the course of the game that this issue isn't quite as black and white as Emile might have originally believed. He grew up on stories of the evil capital F Foe. He knew they were evil, knew that were savage beasts without a shred of honour. But now he is out in the real world and maybe learning different.

> as thy always do
You mean except for the times that Lords etc make treaties with them to keep the peace?

>Literally the whole theme of Thorns is that it's the edgefag path.
Except it's not. It's practicality and pragmatism in the face of moral choices. It is setting aside what we would prefer and dealing with the uncomfortable truth that sometimes it's easier to slaughter your enemy without mercy or lie to them than give them a chance to surrender and leave. It's taking the easy road, not the right road. Not inherently edgy.

At the end of the day it's character growth. Emile is going to have to think about the choices he has made here in the forest, he is going to have to confront the believes he grew up with that are becoming less clearly "right" and "wrong". The idea that Emile must always do the absolutely correct and lawful good thing is stupid, shallow and frankly boring. And if you didn't notice, our actions have consequences. Our man at arms has been disgusted or uncomfortable due to our choices here multiple times. If you think Forgotten is going to ignore all the choices we make then you haven't been playing Sworn to Valour (and you certainly didn't play BCQ). This is all soo far from edgy I can barely spell the word.
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>>3931776
I'm not saying LG should be the only option 100% of the time. I'm just sick of all the edgefags turning Emile into some sort of "Rogue Knight"

>>3931779
Yeah you do have a good point. The powergamers keep picking the edgiest options because they are the easiest. They think that the honorable choices are pointless because they are harder.

Although this could be an interesting philosophical point, that Good is difficult and Evil is the easy way, which makes it so tempting.
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>>3931768
You seen like the same guy from previous threads that insists on bringing d&d aliments and class restrictions like it matters here. Hope you eventually get pass it.
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>>3931785
i think you're really paranoid about an issue that doesn't exist. i can't stand working with rebels, i don't think we should be saving foe, and i think everything about this situation is gross. however, we are temporarily going down the path of thorns (which is the PRAGMATIC, not EVIL path) to get our brother out of here.

we will definitely seek penance at some point. we're on a pilgrimage, aren't we? we're making split-second decisions to avoid as much long-term bloodshed and chaos as possible, it doesn't mean we're edgelords.
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>>3931785
Well this guy knows how to fish
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>>3931783
>That's a pretty irrelevant way to measure time bud, considering several threads could cover a single day or a whole month. On the actual scale of Emil as a knight he has been generally, and consistently upstanding, moral and valorous.

If you read the sentence right after that you'd know that I clarified it as the start of our Fallavon woods expedition.

>>3931783
>We are helping save our brother. We are protecting family. Unfortunately that means being in a situation we don't like right now. Protecting family is arguable the right thing to do.

Realistically there was nothing stopping us from dragging him back home out of the woods as soon as we found him. We're only doing this shit because he asked nicely.

> You mean except for the times that Lords etc make treaties with them to keep the peace?
Yeah, and it didn't take the monsters very long to break them, did they? A permanent peace with The Foe is impossible.

> Except it's not. It's practicality and pragmatism in the face of moral choices. It is setting aside what we would prefer and dealing with the uncomfortable truth that sometimes it's easier to slaughter your enemy without mercy or lie to them than give them a chance to surrender and leave. It's taking the easy road, not the right road. Not inherently edgy.

Doing whatever is the easiest and disregarding morals sounds like the definition of edgyness to me. I'm not saying it's necessarily Evil, but it's certainly Chaotic Neutral.

> At the end of the day it's character growth. Emile is going to have to think about the choices he has made here in the forest, he is going to have to confront the believes he grew up with that are becoming less clearly "right" and "wrong". The idea that Emile must always do the absolutely correct and lawful good thing is stupid, shallow and frankly boring. And if you didn't notice, our actions have consequences. Our man at arms has been disgusted or uncomfortable due to our choices here multiple times. If you think Forgotten is going to ignore all the choices we make then you haven't been playing Sworn to Valour (and you certainly didn't play BCQ). This is all soo far from edgy I can barely spell the word.

Yeah, this is becoming a story of a noble knight in shining armor slowly turning into a CN anti-hero. And no, I didn't play "BCQ". Literally the only thing that has to do with STV is that it's by the same QM.

>>3931790
>to get our brother out of here.

As I said above, this mission is not a prerequisite to saving our brother. There was nothing stopping us from bringing him back home as soon as we found him.
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>>3931674
>”Do what you came here for, brother. Sir dan Marc, some light over here if you please.” Your brother and the rebels free the prisoners. Meanwhile, you look for more clues. Something here was worth risking civil war over, you mean to find out what. [Idealist]
Wait a minute, if our brother is making dad jokes... WHO DID HE KNOCK UP?
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>>3931779
>... is to have it not always constantly be the easy way out option with the least consequences as well as the most and best rewards.

It does have consequences though, "His Word Speaks Only Truth" is a pretty good Knights Code iirc and now we have to waste potential Adam/Cain points in order to get it.

>Being dishonorable should have really bad consequences and little rewards depending on how dishonorable and heinous the action is.

I agree but only where the context of those actions makes sense. Deep in the woods in a ruin with only traitors and our squire and man at arms as witnesses? Wouldn't make sense to have heavy consequences there (outside of Emils inner turmoil and Sir dan Marc leaving in digust). In court or in view of other nobles or even commoners in a town? Yeah that makes sense, it's our reputation on the line.

>In this case it's light consequence of only having to do penance is sensible

Oh my bad, you hit that point.

>There also should be things that Emile would never do under any circumstance due to his honorable character and previous actions.
I would argue that there definitely is stuff he wouldn't do and Forgotten doesn't generally write options that are massively out of character iirc

Generally I agree with most of your points but I don't think that the powergaming options are a real problem. Historically we've ignored potentially better choices in order to remain true to our character even to our own detriment. Occasionally we'll pick something that might be less in character than another option but it's fairly rare imo
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>>3931792
>As I said above, this mission is not a prerequisite to saving our brother. There was nothing stopping us from bringing him back home as soon as we found him.
nothing except a group of highly trained archers to stop us from dragging him home. yes, this was a prerequisite to willingly bringing him back without going on a suicide mission.
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>>3931795
>I agree but only where the context of those actions makes sense. Deep in the woods in a ruin with only traitors and our squire and man at arms as witnesses? Wouldn't make sense to have heavy consequences there (outside of Emils inner turmoil and Sir dan Marc leaving in digust). In court or in view of other nobles or even commoners in a town? Yeah that makes sense, it's our reputation on the line.

Except even the context that we're currently in isn't honorable. "Deep in the woods in a ruin with only traitors" is no place for a Knight. The only reason we came here is to save our brother, but now that we found him we're going off to release some monsters out into the wild for...... reasons.
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>>3931796
Were the Bluejays keeping him prisoner or something? I was under the impression he was working with them willingly.
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>>3931674
>”Easy little ones, we’re not here to hurt you. Let’s get these cages open.” You help your brother and the rebels open the cages with all haste. The sooner you get these…ugh, ‘people’ out of here, the less likely you’ll have a run in with any Queensmen. [Hearty]

>>3930225
This is my ID. I'm gonna link to it for the next few days. I will be out travelling which means I will be phoneposting.
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>>3931779
Dishonourable and pragmaticlly callous actions in regards to moral/ethical standards and the wellbeing of others carry a level of flexiability to one's advancement in society/wellbeing that isn't available to those who upholds the above standards and considerations of others because upholding those institutions restrict the actions one can take against those who don't play by the same rules and would damage the values with their actions.
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>>3931799
no, they aren't. but he wouldn't willingly go back with us without doing this, which leaves forcing him to go back the only other option. if we did that, they would definitely have an issue with us since they view our brother as a close ally.
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>>3931785
>I'm not saying LG should be the only option 100% of the time. I'm just sick of all the edgefags turning Emile into some sort of "Rogue Knight"
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>>3931785
>I'm just sick of all the edgefags turning Emile into some sort of "Rogue Knight"

I think you're taking the memes a bit too seriously there mate

>They think that the honorable choices are pointless because they are harder.

That's absurd, we've often picked in character options even when we would have benefited from better choices. If you need some evidence go read the pastebin and look at our points in Adam and Cain. 12 steps on the path of Adam, 4 on the Path of Cain, 1 on the Path of Thorns. Stop whining

>>3931791
If there is anything we like to do it's argue about the smallest, dumbest shit that's for sure. I've bitten the bait hard

>Realistically there was nothing stopping us from dragging him back home out of the woods as soon as we found him. We're only doing this shit because he asked nicely.

You're right, the bandits who hate nobility and consider him a part of their cause (and someone with too much info to walk away) would totally let us do that no problem...

>Yeah, and it didn't take the monsters very long to break them, did they
Dude... go actually read the quest. There are places where those very agreements are in place right now and have been for some time.

>Yeah, this is becoming a story of a noble knight in shining armor slowly turning into a CN anti-hero. And no, I didn't play "BCQ". Literally the only thing that has to do with STV is that it's by the same QM.

This isn't Dnd mate. Had you played BCQ you'd have a better understanding of what edginess is and what moral complexity in this quest is.

>but now that we found him we're going off to release some monsters out into the wild for...... reasons.
So what you mean to say is that you don't actually read every thread? Or are you unable to read English? I'm just trying to figure out where you got lost.
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>>3931674
Easy little ones, we’re not here to hurt you. Let’s get these cages open.” You help your brother and the rebels open the cages with all haste. The sooner you get these…ugh, ‘people’ out of here, the less likely you’ll have a run in with any Queensmen. [Hearty]
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>>3931816
Guse my id has changed
Go phone posting
Finaly a good roll
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>>3931674
>”Do what you came here for, brother. Sir dan Marc, some light over here if you please.” Your brother and the rebels free the prisoners. Meanwhile, you look for more clues. Something here was worth risking civil war over, you mean to find out what. [Idealist]
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>>3931805
>1 on the Path of Thorns
2*
> You're right, the bandits who hate nobility and consider him a part of their cause (and someone with too much info to walk away) would totally let us do that no problem...
Then we should have fought them instead. They're good archers sure but shit at melee.
> This isn't Dnd mate. Had you played BCQ you'd have a better understanding of what edginess is and what moral complexity in this quest is.
This isn't BCQ either. Stop referring to a quest that has fuck all to do with STV. This is an entirely different quest, just the same author.
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>>3931833
>Then we should have fought them instead. They're good archers sure but shit at melee.
Excuse me? I like how you think fighting our way out of the woods would have been a walk in the park. Hint: It would have gone really, really badly.
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>>3931833
>Then we should have fought them instead. They're good archers sure but shit at melee.

You expect us to take on an unknown amount of enemies famed for their archers and stealth of whom our brother considers allies at the moment? Sure, sounds like a reasonable plan...

>This isn't BCQ either. Stop referring to a quest that has fuck all to do with STV. This is an entirely different quest, just the same author.

Exactly how do you know what similarities the two quests have? You've admitted that you have never read BCQ.

You're salty and your wrong and it seems that no one agrees with you so maybe just drop it. You've lost, it's over.
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>>3931842
I doubt it would have been much harder than helping the Bluejays, as we chose to do.
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>>3931843
Yeah retard I haven't read BCQ, get over it already.
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>>3931846
Mate you're the one crying about how they have no similarities etc. You get over it. Solid argument by the way "retard"
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>>3931845
it would have been infinitely harder to take on an unknown force with very little assistance (a boy and a somewhat fresh knight) than to take on a force that's been scouted out, caught in an ambush... all with additional ranged and melee assistance from skilled fighters
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>>3931845
>Fighting an unknown amount of enemies who are intimately familiar with the surrounding terrain, are excellent archers, excellent at remaining hidden and caught us in an ambush is "not much harder" than sneaking into a ruined fort being guarded by foreigners that we know about in advance, can sneak up on, and have an idea of the type and number of soldiers.

Totally makes sense. The only similarity here is that the guys in the fort are also famed to be excellent soldiers. That's it. You're an idiot
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>>3931852
You're the dude trying to think you're better than me because you read BCQ, lmao.
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>>3931785
>The powergamers keep picking the edgiest options because they are the easiest. They think that the honorable choices are pointless because they are harder.

Yeah, I agree. This is the crux of my point.

>>3931795
>It does have consequences though, "His Word Speaks Only Truth" is a pretty good Knights Code iirc and now we have to waste potential Adam/Cain points in order to get it.

I didn't say it was without consequences. I said it had the least consequences thus far and this option's consequence was light which is sensible considering the action. It would be not significant and enough if the action was more extreme than it is.

>Generally I agree with most of your points but I don't think that the powergaming options are a real problem. Historically we've ignored potentially better choices in order to remain true to our character even to our own detriment. Occasionally we'll pick something that might be less in character than another option but it's fairly rare imo

It was rare previously because the stakes and danger weren't as high as they are now. The higher the stakes and danger are, the more seductive they are because of their typical low consequence, high reward, and little danger. This means there's a very high chance they will increase in the future.

>>3931802
I couldn't disagree more with this word salad. Keeping to our moral and ethical standards as an honorable knight will definitely help us raise in Cantonian society. Canton is a deeply religious and upright society where being dishonorable and pragmatically callous ends in a bad result. Sir Hast Vancewell was a dishonorable and pragmatic knight who relied on ''flexibility'' to increase his station and look where that got him. It's the same thing for Sir Hewitt the Coinclipper. Your reputation and moral behavior matters in Canton. It matters to Emile, to his companions, to his house, to his duchy, and to his country as well as everyone in it. Being a douche doesn't make you more likely succeed nor does keeping to your code make it less likely.

Forgotten isn't gonna let us abuse path of thorns to powergame and finish this quest easily with it. There's gonna be a limit to have far Emile can go into thorns (especially as an idealist MC) if you want him to keep following the paths of Adam and Cain which are in opposition to path of Thorns. He wouldn't have named this quest "Sworn to Valour" if it was otherwise.

>>3931843
You're salty and your wrong and it seems that no one agrees with you so maybe just drop it. You've lost, it's over.

None of this is true.
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>>3931861
Ehhh what the Queensmen and Duke Montbrun are up to right now kinda shows even at the highest levels of society there's still plenty of unsavory stuff going on.
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>>3931860
I don't think I'm better than you. BCQ has almost nothing to do with the conversation besides your argument on edginess, you're just moving the goalposts because you're mad. Notice how you haven't made an actual argument in several posts now? Just falling back on calling me a retard and telling what I think? Mad.

>>3931861
>I didn't say it was without consequences.

You're right, that's my bad
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>>3931861
>Sir Hast Vancewell was a dishonorable and pragmatic knight who relied on ''flexibility'' to increase his station and look where that got him.


His greatest error was being too unintelligent to actually do his assignment right, how much harder would it have been to find out what happened if he had paid a third party to organise brigands to raid his target? Or if he had paid a cutthroat to poison the well.

Doing it himself in his own bloody armor was his greatest error, his actions would have benefitted him greatly had he not been so brazen, I agree on the majority of your post, including the general dislike of edgefags but this I have to disagree with.
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>>3931864
They won't get away with it when word comes out. That's why the Queen ordered her heralds to literally kill everything in the fort to keep it hidden.
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>>3931867
>>3931867
He wasn't really unintelligent at all. Third hired parties can be tracked and interrogated. His plan of burning all evidence was smart. It would've made everything seem like an accident. The only thing he didn't account for was someone very nearby stumbling upon it and stopping the fire early. Hast was a dishonorable knight who didn't give a fick about valour, but he wasn't dumb or weak.
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>>3931876
I agree with this desu. Letting hired blades do his dirty work would've been a bad idea. Look at Craig for example. He spilled the beans as soon as he was caught. Hired blades care only about coin and will 100% talk to save their lives.
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Wait a minute. Isn't Tracker going to visit Duke Montbrun?!
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>>3931916
Aww shit I forgot about that. We might have missed up kniggas
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>>3931916
Yeah she is. Nothing we can do about it though.
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>>3931916
>>3931921
>>3931923
Regardless of what happens to her Emile can't go beacuse of his pilgrim protection duties. We will have to send Sir Dan Marc and that hired blade who just joined us with him. Maybe have them visit Sir Rabe for aid if he doesn't mind going against his liege.
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>>3931930
Thing is Emile wouldn't even be aware of this in the first place. He would know she'll go back eventually but she could be anywhere right now
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>>3931921
>>3931923
>>3931930
The problem is that Duke Montbrun WILL know that her caravan is under House Andrei's patronage. There is a chance something bad might happen.

>>3931933
Wouldn't Sir Rabe send a message to inform him?
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>>3931865
>BCQ has almost nothing to do with the conversation
You're the one who brought it up, not me.
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>>3931936
Just have to wait until Forgotten does the relevant post; right now we don't even know what's happening anyway.
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Ahah omg you people naver change.
Im down with killing the foe when they couse issues for us cous trying to kill them all will just couse them to group up like they did when adem was killed.
Also rember where we are in thr wilds, no humans live out here and many of the beastmen here probs naver seen or killed a human befor becouse we dont live close enguh to be missy with there lands and foods, so those crying about we are free murders and rapest can take there head out of there ass.
Also stop bitching about us lieing to the kid instend of killing him.
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>>3931936
Not necessarily, it was a personal investment on our part and the Duke has little reason to check every caravan coming his way for our name or House.
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>>3931690
And this is my home id
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>>3931674
>”Do what you came here for, brother. Sir dan Marc, some light over here if you please.” Your brother and the rebels free the prisoners. Meanwhile, you look for more clues. Something here was worth risking civil war over, you mean to find out what. [Idealist]
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>>3931976
> naver
> couse
> cous
> adem
> rember
> thr
> befor
> enguh
> rapest
> lieing

I perhaps would have actually entertained your thoughts if you were capable of spelling basic words. Did you drop out of primary school?
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>>3932104
You put a lot of time into it. For a troll
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>>3932109
I am a troll for expecting people to have basic proficiency in the English language? Or for wanting our character to be an actual archetypal knight and not a pragmatic edgelord?
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>>3932114
This is the lvl brain cells i felt that you had from reading all the bitching going on.
But your that butt hurt about my spelling that you picked out all the words and made them green, who cares that much as they all are close enguh for you to use brain power to understand.
Im also not the best at English.
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>>3932114
More like your hyperbolic acting.
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>>3932135
You know you can write your posts in a word processor first and let it spell check them for you.
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>>3932135
based retard
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Hey lads, I actually do enjoy you guys quarrelling over the conspiracies and moral qualms of this quest but I have to draw the line at namecalling and mud slinging.

Keep the discussion as civil as you can for a Finnish origami website and if you can get the other anonymous person on the internet to accept your point just leave it there.
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>>3932182
*if you can’t
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>>3932135
>Im also not the best at English.
I can tell.
>>3932148
You don't even need that, every web browser that I know has a spellchecker built in.
>>3932182
Alright bro, sorry.
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I think we are all missing the fact that, Emile, is basically a child. Think about it, he has lived a rather sheltered life(sheltered from major politics and other political matters, as can be shown through multiple mentions of his sisters and mother being more adept at such matters than him). Yes, Emile is strong and a capable warrior for sure, but he is green as someone can be regarding some of the more hidden aspects of Canton. He is an idealist, and he(we) have chosen this option multiple times during the quest. However, i think we can all agree that Canton is no such ideal place. The mentions of the "perfect and happy" marriage of the King and Queen, this whole absurd plot and every single attempt at sabotaging our MC has shown to us and to some extent Emile that behind the pristine image of a pious and zealous Canton hides a rather shadowy underbelly.

Now, i would like to point out that Emile seems like a man who is rather connected to his family. Yes, his quest is something he has longed for a long time since he was a child, but from the rather frequenct exchange of letters with our family and our stubborn search of his brother, we can say that he clearly cares deeply for his family. Multiple times he has shown concern for the consequences his family may suffer due to his actions. We can all also agree that finding our brother has been a clear goal we had for a long time now.

Now we have finally found our brother. And look where we found him. In the middle of a huge conspiracy, hunted by Queensmen and protected by rebels. This must be very stressfull and emotional to Emile, for Adam's sake he is barely a man. He is not a veteran knight, he is simply taking the first steps to becoming one. I agree that our actions here will be crucial in shaping the path Emile will thread in the future, so i can sympathize with the concern some have over some of the choices being made.

Ultimately i think this is the first istance where major doubts about the integrity of some institutions of Canton, that Emile has taken as being truly moral and zealous, are being cast. Imagine, that as a teenager your whole world view was shaken to such a regard. I completely understand the decision to cling to the one thing you can still have full hope and trust to, your family. As such, i can completely understand some of the more pragmatic/edgy decision being made by Emile. This is clearly without a doubt the most stress Emile has been under his life, is it so hard to believe he would look for some kind of rock he can hold on to.

All in all, in my honest opinion i see Canton as a deeply flawed nation, filled with lies and corruption, but still a nation that shines like a beacon against the forces of the dark. Emile will now surely question everything he knows about his life,religion, upbringing and nation, that is for sure. Is this not a perfect opportunity for him to grow as a character? After all we should strike iron when its hot.
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>>3932203
The coming times will be the ones that will shape the future of Emile as a character. I honestly don't want Emile to continue with his iron belief in all the institutions of Canton, but i also don't want him to become some edgy boy who wants to tear down Canton or just live a life full of sin. I would rather the story of Emile be a story of a young idealistic knight whose beliefs were all majorly challenged but he does not falter and is able to rebuild his faith and convictions stronger under the pressure of such major events. That is all i had to say. Going out to smoke now. Peace.
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>>3932114
Hey, I didn't vote for it but if you actually read any literature from the Romantic era or Middle Ages, you would knimow knights fall all the time.

If Emile kept his vow at the cost of innocents, would he still be a "Noble Knight"?

Sure a lot depends on the dice with how things go, but hey that's how the cookie crumbles.

Maybe instead you could be excited about his upcoming redemption arc for it.
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>>3932206
>but he does not falter and is able to rebuild his faith and convictions stronger under the pressure of such major events.

Yeah that would be fine. But I'm concerned we're going to turn into a cynical edgy knight instead. We've already taken the first steps with our 2 Thorns points.
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>>3932213
>If Emile kept his vow at the cost of innocents
What innocents though? There are no innocents involved in what we're currently doing.
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>>3932216
Understandable concern for sure. But i don't feel as concern, considering under what kind of conditions such decisions have been made. While i would disagree that Path of Thorns points are just edge points, the QM has stated multiple times that it is more a measure of pragmatism than anything else however, the only way we could become edgy is by walking on that Path.

Ultimately i believe/hope anons will be rather satisfied with a sort of redemtion arc that might come. I honestly doubt that the idea of an edgy Emile has too much popular support.
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>>3932216
>Yeah that would be fine. But I'm concerned we're going to turn into a cynical edgy knight instead. We've already taken the first steps with our 2 Thorns points.
2 Thorns points that mean fucking jack shit
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>>3932218
Well, there's all the child slaves here gonna die if we fail so . . . .

Also that new comrade who wasn't gonna let them get killed.
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>>3931674
>”Easy little ones, we’re not here to hurt you. Let’s get these cages open.” You help your brother and the rebels open the cages with all haste. The sooner you get these…ugh, ‘people’ out of here, the less likely you’ll have a run in with any Queensmen. [Hearty]

Full noble Knight!
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>>3932216
>>3932218
There is nothing edgy or cynical about liberating slaves or anything we have done recently. Even if you think there are no innocents among the beastmen, despite the presence of the smaller types and the younglings, the idealistic thing is to free them regardless of race because we believe that slavery is really bad. We have actually being very merciful and restrain lately, we gave water to that condemn man and gave him mercy when he ask us to, we avoid fighting the river troll and the wyvern and we also share a meal with that fae wildchild. I don't see where you are getting edgy or cynical at all.
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>>3932216
Hey bro, I was with you in the last vote. I don't think Emile would have had the freethinking and deceptive state of mind to bluff those guys. But two points in thorns? You're really getting worked up over that? I think you're overreacting. See a few more decisions and points go that way and then you could have an argument. 2 is not enough
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>>3932182
>Keep the discussion as civil as you can for a Finnish origami website
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>>3932148
Didnt even know what was a thing.
More that im at work and phone posting,so typing fast and stuff dosnt help ether.
Just funny at this point that whenever i say anything that isnt copy pasting someone starts spazing out over my typing is the frist thing that ends up happening.
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>>3932338
>Didnt even know what was a thing.
You are old enough to work but didn't know there were programs to spell check for you?
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>>3931674
>Do what you came here for, brother. Sir dan Marc, some light over here if you please.” Your brother and the rebels free the prisoners. Meanwhile, you look for more clues. Something here was worth risking civil war over, you mean to find out what. [Idealist]
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>>3932267
>we avoid fighting the river troll and the wyvern
Which is a blatant violation of the Knight's code which also happens to be the name of the quest.
"A Knight is Sworn to Valour"
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>>3932353
Y would i need to know about when pretty much any and all things that let you type online have there own built into them?
Do you happen to know of and use evey program that is working right now?

>>3932231
Also what this kid is saying 2 points isnt the number when you start freaking out by, hosntely i would have bitched harder over us not giveing the herbs to the healing sisters.
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why are people still responding to him? just ignore him.
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>>3932448
>pretty much any and all things that let you type online have there own built into them?
Clearly whatever you're using doesn't have one.
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>>3932203
Very well said
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>>3932448
We should give the herbs to the Jays, or at least show them where we found them and they can harvest them there.

They gotta have some wealth backing them.
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>>3932443
There's no obligation to go fight animals in their natural environment.

We're a Knight not a Poacher.
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>>3932453
It does though sometimes i type too fast and hit post befor reading, and my fingers do hit the wrong thing. Il make sure to cheack it twice for you kings and wueens of this quest.

>>3932506
I would rather not as that would count as backing and we dont need any more dealings with them.
Tgough would people have about us taking some of the bears fur for our armor or boots?
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>>3932506
Are you joking? Working with rebels alone as we're doing now is a grey area at best, giving away supplies to them is treason.
>>3932507
They're not animals, they are monsters. Important difference.
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>>3932534
No, not really. Deadmen are monsters. You want us to kill Fantasy Bears.

Might as well call the Ursen, symbol of our house, a monster.

Let's not keep putting Emile anywhere on this chart, mmmkay?
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>>3932506
No we should most definitely not help communist rebels any more than we have to to GTFO our brother out of there
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>>3932514
Get those Thorn points! Also I'm sure we'll want something from them, or at the very least we can use showing them where we got the herbs to help convince our brother to leave with us instead of staying to help them.

Or if he does decide to stay, even more important that he knows where the herbs are.

Y'all wouldn't leave Emile's brother to die, right?
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>>3932579
His not staying with them, his said that after this mission his ether going back home or coming with us on our trip, ether way his not staying here.
Im sure they know more about this wild lands then we do and can help themselves with herbs.
>>3932568
I would say its a beast not a monster.
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>>3932579
You know... I have a feeling these accomplished woodsmen who spend almost all their time hiding our in the wilderness know where to get enough of these herbs and such to get by.

That being said the other anons have a point. We're only helping them right now to get our brother out of this shit. We wouldn't be here otherwise, they are traitors. Actively helping them after we've secured our bothers safety is as bad as joining them
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>>3932592
I suppose I just feel bad fighting with men and then leaving them to die of their wounds and am trying to justify helping.
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Damien never said what his sacred vow is. He could actually be working for yet another party and we don't know who it is.
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>>3932568
I'm pretty sure Canton still makes a distinction between normal animals and trolls and wyverns and shit.
>>3932579
>Get those Thorn points!
No.
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>>3932572
agreed
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This is why Captain Canton is a great Route for Emile, he's not a pure Paragon of virtue but he's a good man and that's all that matters at the core of the character.
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>>3932647
They’re literally heretics and traitors anon - we’re not backing them, nor should we feel any sympathy for them.

If it weren’t for our brother working with them, we’d like be actively fighting against them
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>>3932839
>heretics and traitors
Nah, these guys are small fries for that, rebels at best brigands at worse. But I agree if it weren't for our brother we would be dispatching them ourselves or delivering in chains to the Order of Names.
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>>3932869
>”Says you. It’s me breaking my back, me working the soil and taming the land. N’ for what? So ‘is lordship can take food from my mouth n’ get fat off my labour? So’s I can lick his boots, bob me head and act like his children are for some reason better n’ me own sons just cause he the one what shat ‘em out? Not like he were much of a protector, bully in polished armour more like.”

>“As for the church, feh. Religion is the smokeleaf of the masses.” A traitor and a heretic then. “What, the Almighty is everywhere, but on Senegan he’s down at the local church and I owe him money? Fuck right off. What’s he gonna to do, strike me down where I hang? Be doing me a favour he would.”

Literally. Traitors and heretics.
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>>3932904
Sounds like he has a problem with the church, not the almighty.

As well as with Lords not doing their dutyas protectors.

Emile is a barely literate teenager, so I can see how you and him could miss these arguments.
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>>3932913
>>3932904
Sorry, with the Church gatekeeping religion and selling it off. Prettt sure Cain would have cut people whp did that, withheld redemption for coin.

The individual had some valid complaints that the Nobility and Clergy weren't holding up their end of the social contract.

Of course, Emile wouldn't even understand that. But his older brother clearly has seen some shit.
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>>3932913
Where are you getting the idea the Emile is barely literate? I honestly can't tell if you're making a joke there or not. Can't seem to find his age but I thought Emile was in his early twenties as well no?
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>>3932913
you could say that a problem with the church is a problem with the almighty and thus heresy given that Canton is one state with one church with little room for deviancy particularly when the rhetoric is putting the problem and blame clearly at the feet of the feudal system, Monarchy and Theocracy.

I place bet on the Bluejays succeding in a rebellion leading to a nightmare mix of the Reign of terror from the french revolution and the Russian revolution.
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>>3932922
> Early 20s

> Unmarried and without land of his own

What is he, a Peasant?

>>3932928
Oh yeah, rebels pretty much always make things worse for the common folk. Look at America even, rebellion instantly resulted in more slavery.

>>3932920
Sounds like something aa filthy centrist would say.
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>>3932928
Also last I checked Adam and Caine existed before the Church.

I mean, you could make the argument you did if you were an Inquisitor who wanted man to ride his God instead of serving him.
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>>3932945
Adam & Cain existing before the Church has diddly squat to do with the Church as an instituition as their actions and intentions are immensely superceded by the devolopment of the Church as an entity and the monopoly it has over the mandate of moral actions in Canton and how that it reinforces the concepts that support monarchial and feudalistic thinking.

the thing with the bluejays is that their idealogical espousings so far have been socialist, liberal and anti-monarchial which are almost inherently in contrast to the ideas that hold up church & crown.
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>>3932989
Wanting their Lords to actually protect them, and not wanting to have to pay to pray, those aren't socialist, liberal, or anti-Monarchist at all.

In fact the Monarchy would probably be thrilled to reduce the amount of coin the Church raises.

They're competitors after all.

The complaints you used as an example had the man specifically point out that his lord was getting the privilege but not doing his duties. Probably was a copper clipper too scared to fight.

Notice the Andrei's don't have rebels because they do their jobs.

You want the Nobility and Church to be Borgia? Because this is how you get another Pope Alexander VI.
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>>3932989
> Adam & Cain existing before the Church has diddly squat to do with the Church as an instituition as their actions and intentions are immensely superceded by

Nothing, Anon. Nothing supercedes the sacrifice of Adam and Caine.
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>>3933002
They are liberal and Socialist and anti-monarchist because they raise inherent questions about society and the right of a class to do certain actions at the cost of another class which in turn leads to an examination of what underpins Canton society.

The monarchy and feudal lords have rights and privileges that technically come with obligations except often their is nothing that will reinforce oblige part of the action except for moral decency and when their is little need or care to reinforce that then its all but undone.

you're argument comes from the idea that the system working as intended won't cause issues, the Bluejays by their very existance and continued perputation speaks to the fact that isn't the case nor that.

also using House Andrei as an example is really not appropriate we had very little time with them at least thread wise all we've ever seen is the interactions of our household, we never saw any plights of the peasantry that might be occuring, we've never seen the pragmatic actions that may be callous we take to protect our lands from roaming deadmen and their is a bigger fish to fry with the deadmen, thats not to say the abuses of the crown and nobility don't exist only that they are superceded by a more existential threat in the deadmen.

>>3933003
Maybe not as central canon but many intentions they had in life have clearly been lost by and large by modern Institutions endorsed by the church, the church may compete with the crown for power but the two are in a inseperable union as the underpinnings that hold Canton together as a macroculture and Nation.
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>>3933041
> The monarchy and feudal lords have rights and privileges that technically come with obligations except often their is nothing that will reinforce oblige part of the action except for moral decency and when their is little need or care to reinforce that then its all but undone.

Emile was directly responsible earlier in the quest for the execution of a Nobleman who violated a peasant family.

If the rebellion of peasants could be tied to an actual shirking of duty, there absolutely could be reprecussions from the Crown to pacify the peasants such as ordering the transfer of title to an Heir, not necessarily the one chosen by the Lord themselves. If this was real life, which the quest does seem modeled after.

It was super rare, but did happen if the peasants could get a Noble to back them. Kinda like how Emile sought justice for a murdered family earlier but also could have decided to ignore it because lol peasants.

Finally, any failure of Feudalism doesn't lead to "questioning it's underpinnings", how do you know they don't want to replace the nobles themselves, and return the church to an earlier time where it was less political of an institution?

Maybe they're primitive anarchists.

Or Ancaps.

Maybe they want a capitalist society with a single party systenlm and social welfare systems a la Fascism.

Socialism isn't a natual ending point, if anything it's a masturbatory pipe dream that would only be used by elitest theoreticians to incite revolt amongst urban workers.
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>>3933052
>If the rebellion of peasants could be tied to an actual shirking of duty, there absolutely could be reprecussions from the Crown to pacify the peasants such as ordering the transfer of title to an Heir, not necessarily the one chosen by the Lord themselves.

See that comes with the caveat of the Monarchy or the higher ups itself forefilling its own duties as intended and not partaking in Oligarchial tendencies and backing the people more similar to them than the bottom rung workers making the complaint

>Finally, any failure of Feudalism doesn't lead to "questioning it's underpinnings", how do you know they don't want to replace the nobles themselves, and return the church to an earlier time where it was less political of an institution?

This is something we are going to fundamentally disagree on anon, to you maye see it as all disconnected issues but to me its all interconnected due to the way these institutions inherently reinforce each other as core pillar instituitons to society.

>and return the church to an earlier time where it was less political of an institution?

This right here is an impossibility due to how core the faith is to the founding of Canton as a nation and the reliance of the instiutions for legitimacy, even our own reformations and religous deevolutions were polticised because humans take advantage of such things.

>used by elitest theoreticians to incite revolt amongst urban workers.

replace urban workers with fedual workers and thats basically the whole schtick of the Bluejays, knock over the old abusive system of Feudalism and found a brave new world where the peasant can live like a lord and not suffer his abuses any longer for the benefit of all mankind nevermind it like our own ould very well end in a nightmare where things only get worse.
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>>3933095
But Industrialism is a necessary prelude to Socialism. At best they could set up some sort of communalism of small groups given the difficulty of communicating over distance in the setting, or some type of representative democracy.

However the number of external pressuree pretty much ensures that dream would die immediately.

Far more reasonable to pull an Englishman and set up someone within the Jays as a Noble and send some of the more humble priests to preach among them.

There are orders that take vows of poverty you know.

Give it a couple generations and they can be used as a new frontier Marquis, either bled out against the enemies of Canton or returned to the fold.

But honestly it's gotten a little too out of hand to just kill 'em all without risking a full on uprising.

Emile might actually think of this, in a way, in that they clearly haven't been sheparded properly.

Once he gets over the shock of their felony, that is. Fun fact, we use the word felony today to mean the worst crimes against the state because it originally meant violating the oath of Fealty which was considered THE worst crime. Like, that goes both ways. Much harder to prove of a Lord vs Peasant, but a leige to his lord? That's been the downfall of dynasties.

Honestly makes me laugh that Emile actually saw it done so early in the quest, and I'm firmly convinced it put him in the shit since then.

I bet the Jays will give his cock a little rub and tug over it if they find out.

Which they might, if we find a conspirator and ask if it has to do anything with us seeing lord "Mace to the face" see justice done by choppy Jack Ketch.
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>>3933107
Yeah the lack of Industralisation does make the existance of this philosphy in Canton questionable, however I think the exact level of communalism is occuring here in Favallon given its lawlessness and propencity for illegal colonisation its a fairly fertile ground for such a social experiment to take root and act as an example for the success of the idea even if it is doomed to failure.

>Far more reasonable to pull an Englishman and set up someone within the Jays as a Noble and send some of the more humble priests to preach among them.

I suspect it may be a realisitic endgame for a succesful bluejay rebellion, a curtailing of excessive noble privliege and authority and the foundation for stronger lower and middleclass representation and rights.

The Bluejays may have ideas beyond the possibilities of realism at present but that doesn't mean the Idea's can take root and change Canton eventually be it in a decade of Millenia.

>Emile might actually think of this, in a way, in that they clearly haven't been sheparded properly.

I pretty sure thats part of it, I've always put his Haughtiness down to believing in the nobility and feudal structure as leigitmate part of society but its clearly tempered by not only his sense of noblisse oblige but a further sense of right and wrong in the discretion of treating people even if they are not your equals in society, basically hes sympathetic to the Bluejays complaints but draws a line at outright rebellion.

>Fun fact, we use the word felony today to mean the worst crimes against the state because it originally meant violating the oath of Fealty which was considered THE worst crime.

Huh Today I learned something.
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Ya’ll kniggas too smart for me.
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>”Do what you came here for, brother. Sir dan Marc, some light over here if you please.” Your brother and the rebels free the prisoners. Meanwhile, you look for more clues. Something here was worth risking civil war over, you mean to find out what. [Idealist]

”Here, sire. Documents. Writs of passage, it looks like.” Sir dan Marc points your attention to a desk at the far corner of the cavern as rebels set about opening the cages and calming the occupants. ”I’m no fan of these barbarous creatures, but were they planning to try and legitimize the slave trade? That’s…”

”Insane. I know.” The papers look remarkably similar to the writ that you saw in the possession of the Cathagi convoy last month. The only distinction is that none of them bear the Royal Seal. Yet. And you suspect that this was only a means to an end. ”The realm would be in an uproar.”

A pained scream, thin and reedy, echoes from the doorway leading even further down into darkness. The fighting must have spread from the surface to the catacombs already, clearly the Queensmen are winning. But that sound…

”Sire?” Sir dan Marc’s quizzical tone stops you in your tracks. You hadn’t even realised you’d been halfway through the doorway before he spoke. Beside him the confused Orin seems to hover tepidly, deciding to attach himself to you for now. You don’t bother to dismiss him, your mind is elsewhere.

[1/2]
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[2/2]

”This stone. It’s a different colour to the passage we were in earlier.” Father’s unsolicited lessons in architecture appear to pay off, surprisingly. ”And these tools, fresh dirt. This hasn’t been unearthed for long. Days maybe, weeks at the most.”

The statue of Salve Reginae that stands in the foyer of the downstairs passage is old, ancient even. It is without a doubt the most confronting depiction of her tortured form that you have ever seen firsthand, of the likes that a fanatical Cain-sect might display in their chambered sanctums. No soft silken blindfold covers the ruined eye sockets of the Mother of Adam and Cain, no wraps of cloth conceal the wounds on her arms, legs and… You avert your gaze. The terrible marks of torture inflicted upon the matriarch of the Cantôn faith at the hands of the Dragon’s witness are laid bare for all to see. Even a Cain-sect would have replaced her expression of anguished torment with a stern gaze of defiance or even benign forgiveness.

Most disturbingly is the evidence that this ancient statue is relatively new compared to the carvings that speckle the cavern without any discernible purpose or design, as if drawn by a child… or a madman. They pre-date… well human habitation possibly. But you’re no scholar. Nor even a man mildly interested in architecture like Father. You must be mistaken, these are merely the absent excavation marks of whoever unearthed this lost chapel.

“…I…”

Your vision blurs, you don’t recall walking down the steps into the foyer, Salve Reginae’s silent scream seems directed down at you. Is it pain? Is it…anger? You can hear your sworn man faintly if you strain your ears, as though he were shouting from a great distance. The hall continues at a steady decline, but the light ahead is… different. The sounds of combat, brutally one-sided to your ears, intensify. The hall is lined with the Brother’s Passage, as familiar to you as the symbol of your own House or the Book of Brother’s itself. The iconic scenes of the Faith can be found on every church hall in Cantôn worth the name.

But there should only be markers for Twelve Passages along this ancient hall. Not Thirteen.

”…I…AM…”


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> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]

> Some questions are better left unanswered. Some stories, better left untold. You back your way steadily up the stairs, barring the door behind you. You will not speak of this. [Hearty] + [Idealist]
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>>3933169
>> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]

I don't think we can ignore this as a man of faith
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>>3933169
cain on a cross!
>> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]

a bait so obvious yet so tantalizing
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>>3933169
> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]
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>>3933169

>A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]

Cain on a fucking cross this is going to be intense, Mama Andrei didn't raise no bitch let's get down there.
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>>3933169
>> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]
Welp, no going back from this I guess.
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>>3933173
Something down there either needs to be saved or killed.
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>>3933175

My guess is killed but saved would make for a happier addition to the bard's tale.
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>>3933169
>knowledge dive!
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>>3933169
> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]

This path we walk, in the deepest black, that others need not.
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>>3933169
>Some questions are better left unanswered. Some stories, better left untold. You back your way steadily up the stairs, barring the door behind you. You will not speak of this. [Hearty] + [Idealist]

I think it's BS that the fighting has already reached the catacombs. Most of the choices we picked should've saved us time. We hastily infiltrated the fort without sneaking around. We even managed to avoid combat with the guards. I hope we don't end up having any encounters with the Reginate or the Red Giant as we leave Forgotten. That wouldn't make sense after all we did and it makes our pervious choices meaningless
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>>3933181
You've done well enough for the rescue party to escape the ruins unscathed.
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>>3933183
>panic intensifies
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>>3933181

>A pained scream, thin and reedy, echoes from the doorway leading even further down into darkness. The fighting must have spread from the surface to the catacombs already, clearly the Queensmen are winning. But that sound…

I think this is referring to what Emile believes the sound is from, not what it actually is from. If it came from dig site, then it might not be the Queensmen
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>>3933181
Combat takes time, and hey we got here before everything was over and had to face . . . Whatever it is down there . . . . At full power, glutted on slaves.
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From that time when we were going through the Namesmen's records:
>”We came across another Son of Sin, this time we were not taken by surprise and challenged him on the road. Of our remaining party of eight, including three anointed knights, only I survive to report this. He, or rather IT, said the same thing over again as butchered us. ‘I AM AGONY’.
-Sir Paul Rayan of the Order of Chains”

HMMMM......
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>>3933188
So. . .

Collapsing the tunnel maybe?
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>>3933190

That or we pull a Prince and throw beastmen slaves at it while we book it to the nearest exit.
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>>3933191
Pretty sure that's not an option any more in this quest.
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>>3933193

The option is there, but will we take it? I hope we don't have to.
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>>3933197
No because they already left.
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>>3933169
>> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]
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>>3933169
>> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]
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>>3933199

Well i guess we gotta be the hero then bury our sword up to the hilt in the monsters guts while dying a horribly gruesome death to buy time.
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>>3933202
Or we can collapse the tunnel.

Besides, sounds the the Queensmen are maybe winning?
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>>3933203

Good they can be monster bait then
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>>3933181
We also made it easier for the Queensmen to take the fort especially with an arrow stuck in eye socket of the Langish leader
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>> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]

Kill whatevers down here and be done with this horror if we can
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>>3933183
Forgotten, what is the 12 passages?
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>>3933169
>Some questions are better left unanswered. Some stories, better left untold. You back your way steadily up the stairs, barring the door behind you. You will not speak of this. [Hearty] + [Idealist]
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>>3933178
Chains. A hidden or removed doctrine to chain enemies (mages?).
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>>3933169
>A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]
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>>3933208
Isnt it the oaths we can take?
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>>3933169
>Some questions are better left unanswered. Some stories, better left untold. You back your way steadily up the stairs, barring the door behind you. You will not speak of this. [Hearty] + [Idealist]
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>>3933169
>A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]
Great storytelling qm! Finished the archives and I'm enthralled.
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>>3933169
>A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]
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>>3933169
> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]

We got to know, if it's one of the sons of sin there might be others out there so better learn about this now.
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>>3933169
I totally forgot about the creature reference we found when archive diving. Changing my vote>>3933180 here to

>> Some questions are better left unanswered. Some stories, better left untold. You back your way steadily up the stairs, barring the door behind you. You will not speak of this. [Hearty] + [Idealist]
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>>3933208
I should update the faith pastebin with this. It's essentially a chronological depiction of the most significant events of the Faith's formation.

1. Salve Reginae Raises Her Sons in the City.

2. The Sons Preach to the People and Defy the Slavers.

3. The Sons Escape into the Wilderness.

4. Salve Reginae is Tormented.

5. The Almighty Appears Before the Sons.

6. The Sons Return from Exile, Cain is Crucified.

7. The Sons Smite the Dragon and Raze the City.

8. The Sons Lead the People Across the Sea to Cantôn.

9. The Power of the Wild is broken at Motte-Fallavon.

10. Adam is Martyred at the Hands of the Wild.

11. Cain Reaps a Bloody Vengeance Against the Wild.

12. Cain and his Ten Thousand Embark to Unknown Shores.
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>>3933215
Welcome aboard, mate!
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>>3933169
> Some questions are better left unanswered. Some stories, better left untold. You back your way steadily up the stairs, barring the door behind you. You will not speak of this. [Hearty] + [Idealist]
Well I think we know what it is and it's best not to come face to face with it. Time to leave
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>>3933169
>A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]
Can't you hear it? The call of the shekels?
I. HEAR. A. SOUND.
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> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]
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Sons of Sin theory:

Cain and his knights leave Canton. Perhaps they do come upon some denizen of the Pit and they battle it. The battle is fierce and bloody, many of the knights fall against this thing.

Something happens with Cain. Either he accepts a deal from this demon or is corrupted or makes some terrible decision. He writes the 13th passage. Sacrilegious to the core and forsaking the will of the Almighty. The remaining knights become corrupted as they accept this new doctrine of Cain. These Sons of Sin go forth to spread their agony in the name of Cain. Cain has become Sin itself.
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>>3933169
> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]
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>>3933169
>Some questions are better left unanswered. Some stories, better left untold. You back your way steadily up the stairs, barring the door behind you. You will not speak of this. [Hearty] + [Idealist]
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>>3933169
>> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]

Shekel knight, it's your time.
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>>3933169
> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]

We come this far, might as well see it through.
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>>3933169

> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist
Well now what we have here
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>>3933169
> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]
Well, hopefully the next character gets to see cathagi atleast, brown skinned pseudo-greek waifus here we come!
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>>3933169
> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]
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>>3933169
>>> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]

In case my ip has changed, I am >>3932757
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>>3933341
My id might have changed and this is me
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>>3933288
Conspiracy Anon here with an alternative theory. There was a third evil brother, conceive during all the torture done to the Salve Reginae. The Path of Thorns is HIS path and the Sons of Sin are his progeny.
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>>3933169
>> Some questions are better left unanswered. Some stories, better left untold. You back your way steadily up the stairs, barring the door behind you. You will not speak of this. [Hearty] + [Idealist]

Let's NOT have a crisis here, okay?
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>>3933552
Thats a spicy thing you got there
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>>3933552
>>3933582
Indeed that is hot take
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>>3933619
The 13th line could be y the queen wants no one alive
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>>3933627
Nah.

Turns out The Almighty Was just a powerful Fae that had read the Evil Overlord list. Caine saw the truth when he sought the Lord in the Abyss, and slew him on his throne. However, him and the survivors were left behind with both a terrible curse, and a terrible knowledge. Not intentionally on behalf of the Fae False Almighty, but they had to take upon themselves his role to prevent the other Fae from returning. Over time, both their minds and souls have been corroded into a mockery that matches their deceit of faith. Their agony is physical, spiritual, and mental, leaving nothing behind but an anguish desperate to be extinguished. Especially since after Adams death, Caine knew this and still took his men in unsuspecting adding a double betrayal for those following him.
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>>3933645
I mean they had to get there magic swords from someone.
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>>3933288
This one makes sense but not much.

>>3933552
This one makes zero sense. A third brother right before the exodus to Canton would have not gone unnoticed and forgotten. You would have to do a lot of asspulls and mental gymnastics to make it a thing.

>>3933645
This one is even more loony toons and nonsensical. A fey wouldn't have cared about the sons of some slavewoman in Carthago and he definitely wouldn't have let them migrate to Canton where the fey were. I hope neither this nor the previous theory are even close to being true. It would be really, really shitty if Forgotten actually has the truth close to these two insane tinfoil theories with cheap illogical twists.
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>>3933169
> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]
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>>3933169
>A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]

While I think that this revelation will shake our core beliefs, we must know.

A true knight cannot run from the darkness, for he is the only shield against it.
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>>3933169
>> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]
This is going to go horribly let's do it
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>>3933674
Thanks for the insightful post. Your contribution to the discussion is greatly appreciated.
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>>3933674
My theory is that Little Thorn was born in Canton and only came to age after his older brothers were gone and he was later erased from history as result of his actions. You maybe right that the time when he was conceive and when he was born may need to be move around for it to work. But I think it works thematically with each brother representing a path of knighthood.
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>>3933169
>> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]
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>>3933778
No problem. Always happy to help.

>>3933793
Salve Regina had long since passed away by the time her sons were gone.
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>>3933837
>Salve Regina had long since passed away by the time her sons were gone.
Are you sure? Where is her death in the timeline?
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>>3933837
I can't check right now, but I'm pretty sure she was present when Cain departed and spoke one last time with him at that moment.
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>>3933674
> A Fey wouldn't . . .

Support freeing some of a competitors slaves to disrupt their rule and weaken them?

It's the classic USA strategy.

Like >>3933655 said, gotta get their magic swords from somewhere.
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>>3933169
> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]
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>>3933856
From the pastebin
>It was Cain who spoke with Salvae Reginae one last time, their words unknown to any living man, before he gathered ten-thousand Knights as the harbours of Pascae and set sail to Almighty knows where.
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>>3933903
> More like Sal-Fae Regina
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>>3933793
That makes too much sense, the rape-child born of the agony of the torture of Salve Regina.
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>>3933793
Opposing theory: the path of thorns is either the path of Salve Regina herself or the origins of the person who solidified Canton as a nation 11q
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>>3933932
>More like Sal-Fae Regina
Okay, that was pretty good.
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>>3934077
Arthus did nothing wrong.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS_keXTyAtw

Stopped the undead menace, but was betrayed by his allies who were repulsed by his harsh but necessary actions and forced him to become . . .

Wait a minute.

Waaaaait a minute.
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>>3934077
>>3934087

I'm just saying, is Arthus the path of thorns?
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>>3934077
At the is when you go path of Adam but then realise that prince was right
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>>3934096
> When the Regina is an undead lizard elf.

When we gonna meet Bluejay Alex Jones?
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>>3934111
>Their putting alchemy in the waterturning all the peasants gay
>The queen is a friggin snakeman
>CARTHAGGI BURGHERS CONSPIRE WITH THE LIZARD QUEEN TO BLOW UP AUBREY
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>>3934077
> Yessssss I am pregnant lady

> Look at my disgusting fleshy belly swollen with live children swimming inside, ready to burst forth.

> See my six- er, two fatty teats full of mammal juice for my eggless spawn to feast on.

> Worssssship me, the Sal-Fae Regina. Am on Human side of war, down with evil Fae! Up with Human totally not Fae magic twins! Pay no attention to the Dragon behind the curtain!
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>>3934087
>>3934093
It's spelt Arthas, and yes. I wouldn't be surprised if going deep down Thorns will end with us doing a face-heel turn similar to Arthas.
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>>3933674
>A third brother right before the exodus to Canton would have not gone unnoticed and forgotten
I wanted to make a longer response to this but had to wait.

This kind of thinking is totally Christian. This weird assumption that "canon" accounts of the brother's lives can't be untrue. Just like how Jesus was totally an unmarried Jewish carpenter into his twenties. Many people take the Brother's passages as truth but are they really? Just like so many take the gospels as truth, when in reality the early church had to hold councils and debate the divinity of Christ.

I think it's important to remember that the Brother's passages have been handed down over countless generations. How do we know the words haven't been altered? How do we know that there wasn't something lost in translation? How do we know that the early church didn't hide certain aspects to conform the religion to the narrative that they wanted to push forward?

My problem with your post is that you dismiss every theory without so much any evidence to counter with. We could all be wrong. Sure, that's why they are theories. It's just really naive to assume they are wrong because something like this couldn't be hidden. Throughout history civilizations have hid the truth from populace.
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>>3934214
I meant that these thorny bois in agony already pulled an Arthus. Arthas. Whatever, just a obbvy King Arthur expy anyhoo.

Arthas did nothing wrong, but was left with no choice but to become the evil to save the realm from an even greater one because his allies abandoned him.
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>>3934286
Arthas had his chance to walk away after purging the city he didn't do it and sailed across the world chasing Mal'ganis out of spite, he had the chance to not take frostmourne and l leave he didn't take it.

He did nothing wrong with purging the city or slaying Mal'ganis he did everything wrong by totally embracing the means to the end ideology.
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>>3934286
>You lied to your men-at-arms and betrayed the Langlish who fought for you
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>>3934362
Wait, I thought Arthas was the Agony Knight.

You saying there's a Queensman Arthas?

Wait, is it the Prince in this setting we're talking about?

Because yeah from what we know that Prince is a dick.
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>>3934358
Arthas did nothing wrong until taking up the Frostmourne, but only because of bad intel.
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>>3934385
Clearly the right course of moral action as kingsmen, knight and loyal subject is to convince him there is a better way a nobler way.

The canton way

>>3934392
>burns his ships so their is no way home, kills anyone who opposes the mission
>denies the advice of a wise friend
>doesn't follow through with Lordareon and goes off to hunt Mal'ganis who wasn't even a confirmed bigger threat at the time, abandoning country and crown to do so

Arthas did shit tons wrong was his desperate actions justified? Somewhat but his justifications bottom out at a point.
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>>3934398
> Ensures success of his mission, prioritizing success above survival.

> Refuses to let the betrayal and cowardice of those he thought his allies stop him from doing what he knew was righteous and necessary.

> Trusted his Nation to be more than just its ruler and to rise in his absence, even if he was lost the time he bought them would be well worth his life. He had already sacrificed one King for the good of the nation, how could be balk at another?

Sorry, Boomer, this ain't Fox News.
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>>3934419
>leaves his men to die in the frozen wastes of Northrend in the pursuit of Vengeance and then to have their corpses violated by their inevitable recovery by the Lich kings minions
>Refuses to let his men return home even when they are ordered to by King and country effectively commiting treason
>leaves the realm as the Prince and heir apparent to his Infirm and failing father and a Army and state that was already struggling to contain a verile and devastating plague and a cult determined to maximize its carnage.

Okay Coomer
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>>3933885
There are a million other less convoluted strategies to do that then relying on two slaves and having them migrate to Canton. Your theory is insane and illogical tinfoil no matter how many bandages you put on it to give it a single lick of sense.

>>3933903
Ok I stand corrected. The theory still doesn't make sense however even then. A third child still doesn't make any sense. Some thing like that would be bad remembered.

Like I said if Forgotten has the truth anywhere close to these tinfoil theories, then thats a retarded twist which lowers the quality of this quest. It's like Bran becoming king in GoT. It's absolute nonsense.
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>>3934230
I really don't care what you think aboutmy thinking.

The Canon accounts of the brothers make infinitely more sense than the two batshit insane theories. The absolute nonsense that Forgotten would have to sell to us if the truth is even close to these two tinfoil theories would be mindboggling.

I have every right to dismiss these two batshit tinfoil theories. They have sub-zero evidence and are far less logical than the original accounts. The result of these two theories wouldn't even be good. It would just be inserting into this quest the modern constantly shoved trope of "religion is the real evil all along" in the most nonsensical way possible.
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>>3934546
But insane and convoluted schemes happen, and work, all the time IRL.

From Spartacus to selling crack to inner city blacks to the Chinese revolution to Milli Vanilli.

What I find funny is that I intentionally was coming up with silly conspiracy theories and you start flipping your shit. You know this is a game of pretend, right?

>>3934532
The burden of Nobility is having to balance when to spend the lives of the men under their command, something his father forgot.

Arthas would have succeeded if his allies and King had refused to do what was necessary in the first place, how could he let the perpatrator of the plague escape to possibly re-enact his attack elsewhere? How many more cities would you have forced Arthas to put to the sword?
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>>3934546
Oh yeah, and my answer to "but it's complicated, how would a lizard fae make such a complicated scheme work"?

Pic related, but like CHURCHY magic. We could call it a miracle instead maybe?

Remember, all men then were slaves, and these were magical slaves in a setting with straight up magic.

Magic.
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>>3934230
Also Jesus was totally a Jewish carpenter in his twenties who was baptized and crucified. These are pretty much the only certain things about his life. You parroting mainstream myths about the historicity of Jesus that historians in academia have to refute constantly. It's the same thing with how everybody today thinks that people in the Middle Ages thought the earth was flat. It's just not true.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus
>Jesus was a Galilean Jew[12] who was baptized by John the Baptist and began his own ministry. He preached orally[24] and was often referred to as "rabbi".[25] Jesus debated with fellow Jews on how to best follow God, engaged in healings, taught in parables and gathered followers.[26][27] He was arrested and tried by the Jewish authorities,[28] turned over to the Roman government, and crucified on the order of Pontius Pilate, the Roman prefect. After his death, his followers believed he rose from the dead, and the community they formed eventually became the early Church.
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>>3934560
Well yeah up until he fucks off to Northrend Arthas was balancing those books in a fairly justified manner, even if people like Jaina & Uther could not condone that it was situation that neither were prepared to fathom the consequences off I won't argue that one bit but his his rejection of advice of long standing mentors and friends is what led to his lack of support towards the end of things, if he had worded things diffrentely or even just given certain consuming Grudges room to breath he could have come back to things with a clearer vision of what he could do and made it more amicable to his allies and supporters and likely been not only the hero Lordareon needed but also deserved.

This discussion really makes me want to prevent a similar dillema damning another would be duke/king
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Who the fuck is Arthas?
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>>3934584
It's a Warcraft thing
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>>3934560
>What I find funny is that I intentionally was coming up with silly conspiracy theories and you start flipping your shit. You know this is a game of pretend, right?

Sorry man it's pretty hard to recognize sarcasm in the internet. In real life it's easy because you can listen to the sound and tone of the sarcastic person. I'm the internet it's just text
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>>3934582
If only Arthas was a villian who manipulated instead of a Hero pure and true.

Okay, so maybe Arthas did SOME things wrong.

>>3934584
Google him, he's from WoW. Honestly way too much lore to go into depth here, we're just meming.

Mostly.
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>>3934586
>>3934568
Well, there's also my reply here. Wizards and Fae don't think along the same lines as men anyways, an insane plan could be done by them simply because it's funny, or just to see if they can, or on a bet.

I mean, Jesus was a joke that keeps on going strong 2000 years later with people literally dying and killing for what they believe is true about what happened back then.

In a fantasy setting with real magic, the sky is the limit. Half Sword in the Stone, half Afghani Insurgency. With conveniently few witnesses.

Hey, even more reason to go guard the Dragon now. He was a witness. An unreliable one probably though.
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>>3934599
The fact there is magic in the setting is not relevant to your tinfoil. The fae are not foolish. They wouldn't have helped two slaves to take Canton and lose it in the process. The fae are the masters of magic in this setting. They don't need to give slaves magic. They could do everything that Adam and Cain did.

Really the only theory that makes sense is that Cain was corrupted by something powerful in the Pit and wrote a 13th passage. The Sons of Sin would be the 10,000 men that went with him and also got corrupted.

Jesus Christ and his baptism as well as his crucifixion was a thing whether you think he was a joke or not.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
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>>3934609
>Really the only theory that makes sense is that Cain was corrupted by something powerful in the Pit and wrote a 13th passage. The Sons of Sin would be the 10,000 men that went with him and also got corrupted.

Yeah, I agree with this. This theory makes sense and we have clues and evidence for it. The other two are too tinfoilly for me to take seriously and they sound like dumb twists.
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>>3934609
>>3934613
Does this we will get to fight Cain at some point to free him from corruption? That would be badass if so
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>>3934621
Could you imagine? I have to admit, fighting THE Cain would be fucking crazy
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>>3934623
Probably will be a final boss if it is
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>>3934609
>>3934609
Or Cain went to fight something corrupted in the Pit.

Or Cain and his followers were corrupted and fled to the Pit

Adam came back as a Deadman and Caine keeps him imprisoned in the pit, but Adam reaches out in his madness and posesses his hidden descendants when Caines guard weakens, hence the name "Sons of Sin" because the original bloodline started out of Wedlock.

And the Fae that bred and raised them never meant for them to breed, as the entirety of mankind is just a breeding project she started and the Sons of Sin are too powerful to be controlled.

Or something else entirely different, we don't know yet.

> The fae are not foolish.

Nobody said that, and the Savior Scheme worked anyways so clearly they aren't foolish.

> They don't need to give slaves magic. They could do everything that Adam and Cain did.

Literally the same argument applies to "The Almighty". But he/she did. And could have been a Fae herself.

> They wouldn't have helped two slaves to take Canton and lose it in the process.

If the Regina IS a Fae, then she didn't lose the Canton but instead drove the other Fae out and resolved the problem of slave revolts by the humans.

FYI I'm still just spitballing for fun. It probably is the most obvious answer, but that's boring.
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>>3934609
>>3934613
lets not get ahead of ourselves all we know is that their was an order called ''THe order of chains'' and it no longer exists, its quarry were the sons of sin whatever they were be they of the Pit itself or something else entirely.
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>>3934625
>>3934623
Maybe it's a 40k Emperor kinda thing where the Church keeps Caine trapped as a sacrifice to keep some cosmic horror out of reality, and the Sons of Sin are psychics that he resonates with and are badly needed sacrifices who if left alone act out his battle against demonic forces in a frenzied bloodlust against whoever gets in their way as they slaughter a path towards the calling lord of War, and our ultimate ending choice will be to light the fire, or let it go out.

Er.

I mean, to replace him, or give ourselves as a sacrifice, or stop the whole thing and doom the world to a war beyond horrible for a thin chance of survival.
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>>3934626
>Adam came back as a Deadman and Caine keeps him imprisoned in the pit, but Adam reaches out in his madness and posesses his hidden descendants when Caines guard weakens, hence the name "Sons of Sin" because the original bloodline started out of Wedlock.

>And the Fae that bred and raised them never meant for them to breed, as the entirety of mankind is just a breeding project she started and the Sons of Sin are too powerful to be controlled

Okay no need to make the only theory that makes sense into insane tinfoil like the other two

>Nobody said that, and the Savior Scheme worked anyways so clearly they aren't foolish.
>Literally the same argument applies to "The Almighty". But he/she did. And could have been a Fae herself.
>If the Regina IS a Fae, then she didn't lose the Canton but instead drove the other Fae out and resolved the problem of slave revolts by the humans.

Wow you just made your tinfoil theory even more insane. How in the Pit didn't anyone notice that Salve Regina is a far throughout her entire life? Why did she have a human lifespan? It doesn't make any sense
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>>3934629
>a far
A fae*

>>3934628
Tinfoil anon pls stop
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>>3934629
> How in the Pit didn't anyone notice that Salve Regina is a far throughout her entire life? Why did she have a human lifespan? It doesn't make any sense

Magic, faked her death, worked with the Dragon to fool Humanity.

No less crazy then Cain surviving Crucifixion and not being crippled for life.

Or magic swords.

> No need to

But I want to. It's a fantasy world of magic, let your imagination soar.

> The only theory that makes sense

What if you're wrong though.
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>>3934631
Why? The tinfoil is fun

>>3934628
It would honestly be interesting to see the arguments anon would come up for for each option. The quality of debates in this quest are way higher than any other that I've seen and so is the shit flinging
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>>3934631
I mean. Either one of us could stop, but I'm probably not going to. Wouldn't put your bet on it.

Well. At least not until I run out of ideas, or the quest starts moving again, or Forgotten asks.

I haven't asked you to stop, you just decided you found the answer and everyone else should accept your answer.

But what if we don't? What if we must dissent?
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>>3934635
Actually that's something my writing group often practices, "What can you say about chocolate flavoured manhole covers" named after the short story written by Larry Niven, where you start with an absurd premise and then try to work reasoning for it into existence.

Like, what reasons could you have for chocolate flavoured manhole covers? Emergency food supply? Poison it and use it as bait for sewer rats? Have them melt during large fires such as in California, providing easy access for citizens to hide in the sewers?

The source material is a good read.

And anyone who's sat on a Co-op board trying to determine what kind of parking bollards to get for over three years can tell you that any conversation about chocolate flavoured manhole covers is going to shockingly be grounded in far more sense and reason.

Three. Fucking. Years. Between plastic, concrete, and 4" or 5" height.

"Well how will they respond to flooding" it's on a hill. "But what if a pipe breaks". There aren't any pipes. "But what if pipes are installer down the line" then we'll probably be in 2050 by then if the bollards debate is any kind of benchmark.

But I digress. At least here we can eventually just have a vote and move on.
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>>3934634
>Magic, faked her death, worked with the Dragon to fool Humanity.

That doesn't make sense. The Dragon almost died at the hands of the brothers because of the torture and slavery

>What if you're wrong though.
That the other two theroies arent insane tinfoil and are close to the truth? Then the plot of this quest has become very shitty. It's like the ending of GoT. Absolutely nothing made a lick of sense.

>>3934635
>Why? The tinfoil is fun
Yeah as tinfoil

>>3934636
I didn't say that I'm right though. I just said that you're theory is utterly insane illogical tinfoil which it is. The one about Cain's corruption is more sensible and we have clues to it unlike fae illuminati shit where they shoot themselves in the foot and lose Canton to slaves they gave magic to.
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>>3934639
> fae illuminati shit

But they're Fae. Illuminati shit is what they do to pass away eternity as immortals.

Hey, about the Dragon maybe that's where things went off script and Adam and Caine were originally a deniable dragon killing operation.
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>>3934639
You're a little uptight for someone on a Latin cross-stitching website
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>>3934641
Mostly just traumatized by bollards and Condo co-op boards.

Aside from that, I'm having fun coming up with theories, Arthas posting, and looking for reaction pics.

Pour yourself a drink and let's get to shitposting.
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>>3934642
>But they're Fae. Illuminati shit is what they do to pass away eternity as immortals.

But that's not true. Fae are not immortal. They just have really long natural lifespans.

>>3934643
It's not uptight to argue tinfoil anywhere
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>>3934648
>>3934643
Lol. Lookitme speed posting.
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>>3934648
Nah mate it's all good, I linked to you by accident. You're alright for someone on a Tibetan jigsaw enthusiast website

>>3934649
>It's not uptight to argue tinfoil anywhere

It is a little bit, especially with how seriously you're taking what is essentially memeing and shitposting about Cain eating babies (which is obviously what is being hidden by the church. It would destroy the faith if people found out about Cains blood sacrifices and the fact that he got his power from devouring innocents)
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>>3934653
If all that tinfoil was just memes and shitposting, then yeah, sorry for treating it as serious
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>>3934649
Woodlands/Humanoid. It is rare for a mortal man to witness these beautiful, ethereal creatures and live to tell the tale. It has been centuries since the Fae have viewed themselves as a collective people or nation, their fickle nature dooming their civilisation to feuds and infighting as surely as the armies of Man did. Most left the continent following their great defeat at the hands of Adam and Cain, and the race has yet to recover from the horrific losses they sustained on that fateful day.

And individual Fae is considered a child at the age of a hundred years, and their spawning is less and less frequent in this age. There are Fae alive that remember the Deadmen taking Ardenne, the first landing of Adam and Cain and even when Man first appeared on the continent. A few, ancient and terrible in power, remember even more than that. Such creatures are not to be trifled with, for they are as overwhelmingly powerful as they are utterly without moral qualms that Man can understand. One Fae might murder the world if they could on a whim, yet at the same time find a mild lie to be an abhorrent abomination. The reverse is also true, and only cements every troubadours tale that the Fae are not to be trusted.

> When the Fae are tinfoil incarnate as Canon

I don't see anything in their about them dying of old age, just the opposite actually.

Lots to support one would be nuts enough to use fake messiahs as a catspaw against other Fae though. Like. It's explicitly pointed out that they do this, and there are Fae old enough to have done it and still be around, and Fae even older than that.

Straight from DEEPEST LORE to be fed into your mouth baby bird.
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>>3934654
If you're gonna get upset and serious about this, at least check the source material first bro.

It's only fun if you argue within the constraints of the defined setting, otherwise we get into "what if the world is just Cain's dream, with the history being when he was fresh and young and therefore was all heroic, but now his energy is run out and is breaking down leading first to the death of magic but eventually the death of all life. The Sons of Sin are actually his seeds of awareness, sent out to break the world so that the dreamer might awaken" and there's no need to go full Cthulu / Persona crossover.

Is that a redundant thing, Cthulu Persona? Dope games, they definitely got a pretty "Unknown Kadath" kinda vibe already.
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He's just having fun. no need to argue
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Maybe the Almighty that we are told about is the wrong interpretation of it, and this excavation uncovered this 'thirteenth' passage, which portrays the Almighty, in a more negative light, or radically different, like some weird gnostic form of christianity.
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>>3934659
Gotta fill the void with something.

And I actually am kinda running out of ideas.

Except that Caine was actually Adams wife but the Church rewrote it so that they were brothers and she was forced to leave the continent once Adam was killed by the Church because in her grief she didn't want to start a civil war that would end the newly fledged Humanity.

She went to the pit to fight and die in her grief over Adams death, but was just too Fury Road Badass and slowly just went more and more mad.

After killing the big bad, the Church began sending Adams to keep her company, and she varies between living out a fantasy life with them and falling into a blood rage when she remembers the death of Adam.

The Sons of Sin are those cast off knights both empowered by the energies of Cain to be stronger than any other mortal man as well as having been selected from the finest knights of the land.

Their cries of "I AM AGONY" refers to their every move being forced through hips ground to powder and dicks chafed to swiss cheese by Cain's insatiable appetite for her "Adam's" dick.

The Sin is boning Adams wife.

She has a feminine penis

> If anyone takes this seriously, I'll just assume you're trolling.

> Bringing it back to Homo Knights.
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>>3934669
I kinda think "hidden descendant" that is somehow tainted or cursed is a decent possibility.

Maybe they have like a Sanguinus thing going on where they are all powerful at first but start to fall into reliving the battles Cain and Adam fought.

Maybe it's an attempt at resurrecting Adam clones that did not go as well as hoped.
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>>3934670
Based
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>>3933169
> A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]
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>>3933169
>if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]
Spooky time
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>>3934673
I mean, Sal-Fae Regina is just pure conspiracy.

But I bet a Fae has infiltrated the Church somewhere. To some degree. Like Angleton in the Laundry Files, sorta.

Great series, good Lovecraft horror mixed with British civil service horror. Mild spoiler if anyone plans on reading the series.

But yeah. The Fae might actually be working for the "good" of the Church and be sanctioned. Of course, that would be hard to explain to a layperson.

Especially if they were working with the Church to do morally questionable experiments.

Or maybe it's just a self hating Fae. Or really in love with medieval tapestry work and wants to keep an advanced society running so that it can get the freshest tapestries. Like some sort of medieval Soap Opera collection.
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>>3934669
I don't think it will be anything like that. The 13th passage will just reveal the final fate of Cain. Adam is buried and resting in the Church of Martyrdom while Salve Regina is buried somewhere in Pascae. Nobody knows what happened to Cain. Just to let you know those>>3933257 are the 12 passages.
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>the sheer ADVANCED tinfoil on this Estonian bakery site
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>>3934546
>Ok I stand corrected. The theory still doesn't make sense however even then. A third child still doesn't make any sense. Some thing like that would be bad remembered.

Why exactly it doesn't make sense? It's not impossible to remove or just reduce someone from history or religious doctrine if they're inconvenience to a narrative.
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>>3934727
Gib bluejay alex jones
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>>3934728
It's not impossible but it will be so hard that it might as well be. Salve Regina would have had stayed hidden from the eyesight of the public for 9 months to not notice that she's pregnant. Its the same thing for birth. Theres also her age. Adam and Cain were full grown adults which means that she barren by then. There are many factors which simply make it illogical.

>>3934727
So the tinfoil theories are just tinfoil? Thank goodness.
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>>3934733
>So the tinfoil theories are just tinfoil? Thank goodness.

Don't be silly anon, he would never confirm or deny that. We've guessed shit a few times in the past and Forgotten never said a word until it was time
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all depends if the lore is already set in stone or forgotten is making it on the fly
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>>3934734
The mere fact he called it tinfoil is enough to me.
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>>3934735
The lore he already gave us makes them implausible. He would have to scrap everything he already made for the tinfoil to not be nonsense.
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>>3934737
That's just like, your opinion man
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>>3934737
If you say so anon
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>>3934738
Its not an opinion but an absolute evident fact. The tinfoil theories make fuck all sense with the lore already provided. Nothing other than disregarding the lore would give them any sense.
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>>3934741
I like how you're wrong but you seem to be so certain that your own ideas are the only right ones based on... well not much it seems
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>>3934738
Actually it's not an opinion at all. Those tinfoil theories except for the Cain one are the most retarded shit I ever heard when taken seriously. They're a good laugh but still retarded tinfoil. The quests plot would an funny joke if they're close to truth.

>>3934743
>I like how you're wrong
Now that's an opinion here. A false one at that
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>>3934738
>>3934743
Actually shilling seriously for those tinfoil theories some shitposter came up with
Dumbass knigga what are you doing!? Forgotten would be mental if these theories aren't tinfoil
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>>3934745
>>3934741
>Its not an opinion but an absolute evident fact.
That implies evidence

>Actually it's not an opinion at all. Those tinfoil theories except for the Cain one are the most retarded shit I ever heard when taken seriously.

Oh ok, well since you say so it must be true...

>>3934748
Mate I'm just having a laugh and waiting for Forgotten to update. These guys are just a bit too serious to leave unmolested
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>the lore can't be misleading
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>>3934733
We don't know how old she was at the time and I never said she hide it, but that the church erase from doctrine and history after the fact. See you make claims about things being illogical or lack any sense but your claims lack sustain. You say she most have been barren by that time but look at our mother: seven children with two sons of age and a baby brother. The brothers might have been the same age as Emile and his own brothers. Nothing illogical about that.
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>>3934743
>>3934743
>I like how you're wrong
Yeah sorry no. I wouldn't buy these tinfoil even if forgotten decided to give the middle finger to logic and the lore. I'm absolutely right
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>>3934752
>The Royal Family is actually a well adjusted family
>Every thing pointing the other way is vicious slander

I've missed which theories have been labelled as tinfoil and which are potentially plausible. Of course, just because a source is old doesn't mean it's reliable either. Unreliable narrator can be such a cop-out, right?
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>>3934727
Hope the update is soon Forgotten so everyone else can be free of this shitshow
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>>3934750
>I'm just pretending to be retarded
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>>3934754
>I'm absolutely right

I feel like it's almost always the most certain and uncompromising that end up being so completely wrong. It's also a little arrogant to claim to be completely right in an argument about a made up religion in a made up world in which we don't have all the details and history of. And one in which we not have confirmation that there are big, Illuminati secrets to be uncovered in
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>>3934758
Oh please, don't be a wanker. We're all just shitposting away the time. I don't even remember half the stuff tinfoil anon came up with, I'm just winding up a couple of guys who are being super serious about pretend religion
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>>3934756
you wouldn't lead your reeeaders astray your good and honest QM
right?
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>>3934753
Yeah sure. The church are black holes that can suck up all information and 9 months of pregnancy too apparently
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Y'all need Adam because this is some heresy arguments right here.
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>>3934756
I don't think it matters anymore. Just enjoy the show that you have wrought
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>>3934753
Also it's false to compare our mother with your tinfoil. She didnt wait 20 years so their ages would be different
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>>3934759
>I feel like it's almost
Nobody gives a shit about what you feel knigga. And he has a right to be assured and arrogant against the stupid shit hes arguing against Ken

>>3934761
Yeah I'm shitposting and pretending to be dumb too
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>>3934772
Relax anon, this is just an Indonesian paper-crafts website, no need to be so riled up and aggressive about it
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>>3934769
>wait 20 years so their ages
I don't understand this one. I'm not saying she waited, I saying she was rape while being tortured and got pregnant as result. There was no concent or intent with her pregnancy.
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>>3934766
Yeah Salve Regina and the Almighty are fae illuminati supposedly and canton faith is a big conspiracy

>>3934756
Nah I can buy the queen and king not having the hots for each other but not the tinfoil shit. They're just shit cheap twists that dont make sense which is poor writing and storytellong
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>>3934779
idk knigga that shit ain't in the lore
oh wait
>They took her dignity also, for the cruel men of Cathago saw no reason why she should keep it.
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>>3934782
Knigga your shit is not any less heretical, at least you're partially aware of how ridiculous everything has become in abscene of story progression.
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>>3934779
If she was raped when her sons were adults then she would be too old to be fertile then

>>3934784
Doesn't this invalidate your claim that the Church hid her rape? Would not have that led people to guess she might became pregnant ?
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>>3934789
>If she was raped when her sons were adults then she would be too old to be fertile then

The oldest verified mother gave birth at 74 years old to twins
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>>3934789
>Doesn't this invalidate your claim that the Church hid her rape?
idk bro, i didn't make that claim.
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>>3934786
Nah this is just what happens when no try to sell your tinfoil theories seriously. People dismantle it
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>>3934792
>>3934792
This is either made up bullshit or something that was achieved with modren medicine. It's nothing more than an extrene anamoly anyhow

>>3934793
Sorry then
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>>3934789
1. you're assuming Salve regina didn't have some mythos level bullshit to allow theoretical shit to happen like being the exception to natural fertility

also the powers of the all mighty are not confirmed to act within the confines of Carthaggi/Fey/Human magic so yeah

2. you're assuming she didn't have Caine and Adam at a very young age

3. he never claimed they hid the rape only that the existance of the theoretical third son is something the powers that be, church included have hidden from the world at large

>>3934796
Yep which is one believing any of it without any evidence by word of god is such a crock

UPDATE WHEN???
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>>3934798
Modern medicine, the one before her was 66 and she also gave birth to twins. Although modern medicine is a bit like magic sometimes. It achieves incredibly and almost unbelievable things
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>>3934798
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy_over_age_50

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/woman-in-her-70s-may-be-oldest-ever-to-give-birth/
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>>3934799
It's a bit uncool to badger to OP about updating anon. He'll get to it when he can. Writing all this shit can't be easy, especially considering the position we've put ourselves in
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>>3934803
I just want an end to this madness
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>>3934802
An anamoly that was done with modren medicine just like I predicted.

>>3934799
1.I'm not assuming. I'm not obligated to prove a negative for your insane tinfoil.

2. Irrelevant. Even if she had them at young age they were in their twenties when you claim she got pregnant. She shouldn't be fertile by then.
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>>3934803
>Writing all this shit can't be easy
Especially since none of the theories presented can be true because someone might accuse him of shit storytelling
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>>3934799
The word of god shitting on its own lore and combo sense why tinfoil would be as i agree
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>A terrible secret that the higher powers of the realm are willing to risk civil war over. You have to know. Even if it means walking into the mouth of the Pit itself. Even if it means doing so alone. [Haughty] + [Idealist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4Vt0UGwmgQ – The Thirteen Passages

The Passages of the Faith in this long-forgotten hall are familiar signs at first, comforting even. The role of the disciples of Adam and Cain are more prominent than some orthodox depictions, but these portrayals are much the same as those you have witnessed before… Until the Ninth Passage.

…I…

”Blasphemy…” You whisper with growing dread.

I Salve Reginae Raises Her Sons in the City.

II The Sons Preach to the People and Defy the Slavers.

III The Sons Escape into the Wilderness.

IV Salve Reginae is Tormented.

V The Almighty Appears Before the Sons.

VI The Sons Return from Exile, The Seventh Son is Crucified.

VII The Sons Smite the Dragon and Raze the City.

VIII The Sons Lead the People Across the Sea to Cantôn.

IX A Bargain is Struck with Sin. The Sons are Forged.


AVARICE
AGONY
ANARCHY
ABYSSAL
ATROCITY
ANGUISH
ADVERSARY



X The Power of the Wild is broken at Motte-Fallavon.

XI Five Sons turn to Sin. The Sixth Son is Martyred.

XII The Seventh Son Reaps a Bloody Vengeance. Two Sins Are Chained, the Rest Scattered.

XIII The Seventh Son and his Ten Thousand Embark to Hunt the Remaining Sins.


[1/2]
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>>3934809
Don't be disengenous and put words in my mouth please. I didn't say that none of the theories are true. I said the two tinfoil ones aren't. I support the Cain theory on him being corrupted because it makes sense and we have clues on it.
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>>3934789
>If she was raped when her sons were adults then she would be too old to be fertile then

Yes and like I said Emile's mother has two adult sons and third one who is much younger than the other two like the theory I present. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if we get news of another brother or sister coming at some point.
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>>3934808
Considering you are assserting your version of tinfoil has always been the most rational and reasonable theory we have yes yes it is on you to prove both a negative and positive for your case.

>2. Irrelevant. Even if she had them at young age they were in their twenties when you claim she got pregnant. She shouldn't be fertile by then.

assuming she potentially had them at say 13-16 if her imprisonment happens when they are in the brothers 20's its entirely reasonable especially if she's juiced on some holy Fertile juice.

>>3934810
again which is why this all ridiculous their is no verification for any of this conjecture because the narrative isn't even at this point yet.
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>>3934812

[2/2]

The mad scrawling beneath has been added later. Or… before? Impossible. Your mind harks back to the forgotten Order of Names manuscript. ‘I Am Agony’, these are their names? Whatever these Sons of Sins are, they sound most unholy and unnatural. Whatever heretic saw fit to include their creation in portrayal the holiest story of the Faith deserves a fate far worse than merely being burnt at the stake.

The screams are louder now.

…I…AM…

At the end of the hall, where darkness and light intermingle in the dimness, you can make out the shattered form of a man wearing the Order Reginae colours. It looks as though he’s been ripped apart by a Great Bear or some other beast, claw marks popping open the plate armour and ribcage like a roast chicken. The only thing unblemished by the ruinous calamity of a corpse is the gilded reliquary hanging around his neck, it shimmers like the surface of a mirror in the sun.

>GAIN Blessed Artefact +1 Combat Re-Roll [2W]

”Forgive me, Sir. I hope this serves me better than it did you.” You close his eyes and begin to offer a short prayer. But the words falter on your lips…

Everyone knows that Adam and Cain led the freed men to victory over the Fae through the divine will of the Almighty and the faith of the people. Their victory was not due to some deal with fiends of the Pit borne out of desperation, fighting fire with fire against the fell Fae magic. To even imply that their victory was due to dark magic… that they themselves were among the ranks of these abominations….

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> Everything you have been told is a lie. The Church, the Faith, the Book of Brothers, ALL of it. Nothing but so much sanctimonious shit meant to control your lives. [Replace Idealist with Fatalist]

> You don’t know what this means. You don’t know what to believe. Is the Almighty… is He even real? [Replace Idealist with Cynic]

> This is just an ancient eccentric version of the True Faith. A relic of a time when myth and fiction blurred and people worshipped the Old Gods and the New. It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing. [Retain Idealist]

> Heresy. Blasphemy. Sacrilege. This should all be destroyed. The Queen was right… how could you ever have doubted? [Replace Idealist with Zealous]
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>>3934817
>This is just an ancient eccentric version of the True Faith. A relic of a time when myth and fiction blurred and people worshipped the Old Gods and the New. It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing. [Retain Idealist]
It takes more than one step to fully corrupt a individual, but this is a start nonetheless.
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>>3934817
Oh my god Forgotten, this is some spicy shit. I am going to have to wait and see some arguments before voting.
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forgotten am i reading this right that this is suggesting there were 7 sons that would mean the dragon would know the truth of it he fought all of them whether it be adam and cain or the 7
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>>3934825
This is a strong possibility. If we survive long enough to ask the dragon of course.
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>>3934812
It seems neither of the tinfoil theories are true. Thank common sense.

>>3934814
>>3934816
We have no info on our mother's age and the age of her children. No point in arguing against your nonsense anymore anyway since the tinfoil wasn't true.

>>3934817
> This is just an ancient eccentric version of the True Faith. A relic of a time when myth and fiction blurred and people worshipped the Old Gods and the New. It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing. [Retain Idealist]
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>>3934812
>IX A Bargain is Struck with Sin. The Sons are Forged.
fuck I was close.

Ok so anyway. There are in reality 7 sons. 6 and 7 were Adam and Cain. The 7 made a deal with "Sin" for power to defeat the Fae. After the Fae were broken it seems Adam and Cain rejected Sin. Adam was martyred and Cain went hunting the other brothers. Two sins were chained, and this is one of those chained, so the order of chains must be a secret sect entrusted to ensure either these things remain chained or to chain others that are found.

Holy shit this is some deep shit, forgotten.
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>>3934812
>VI The Sons Return from Exile, The Seventh Son is Crucified.
>IX A Bargain is Struck with Sin. The Sons are Forged.
>XI Five Sons turn to Sin. The Sixth Son is Martyred.
>XII The Seventh Son Reaps a Bloody Vengeance. Two Sins Are Chained, the Rest Scattered.
>XIII The Seventh Son and his Ten Thousand Embark to Hunt the Remaining Sins.

Holy shit I don't even.... the implications of this, shattering the fundamental truths of the Church and Cantons foundings the implications of millenia of terrible conspiracy by church and country to keep this hidden

This would break Canton as man knows it.

>>3934817
> This is just an ancient eccentric version of the True Faith. A relic of a time when myth and fiction blurred and people worshipped the Old Gods and the New. It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing. [Retain Idealist]

But none of this NONE of this changes what the sacrifices of the brothers means nor the sacrifices of Salve regina it does NOT change what is right and wrong in the world and that is what the brothers taught mankind through their sacrifices

>>3934831
Not just the Fey, the Carthaggi and all the horrors of the world it seems prehaps even the next
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>>3934817
> This is just an ancient eccentric version of the True Faith. A relic of a time when myth and fiction blurred and people worshipped the Old Gods and the New. It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing. [Retain Idealist]

Yeah no. It should take way more than a passage on a wall for Emile to lose his idealism and honor code. He would have to see it himself and hear from the words of the Cain himself why
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>>3934817
> This is just an ancient eccentric version of the True Faith. A relic of a time when myth and fiction blurred and people worshipped the Old Gods and the New. It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing. [Retain Idealist]
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this all begs the question even if this is all true if the prince only desired the truth he wouldn't of had vancewell in his employ i think maybe he desires the power of sin considering his morality
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>>3934812
>V The Almighty Appears Before the Sons.
So we can't say the Almighty wasn't real. Even in this account he came to them(All of them) but later they turned to other powers.
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>>3934817
Might I suggest a write-in?

>If it weren´t for their pact, the slaves would have just gained their freedom to lose it at a cruel master. They were paragons among men and still had to make a Pact with Below in order to win against the Foe. Motte-Favalon...you remember the Fae of that night. How could you had thought Men alone could win against such strength? The greatest victory of Men, a handout from Below. [Replace Haughty with Humble]
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>>3934817
>> This is just an ancient eccentric version of the True Faith. A relic of a time when myth and fiction blurred and people worshipped the Old Gods and the New. It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing. [Retain Idealist]

I feel that despite retaining Idealist, Emile should still be shaken and should at least have some lingering doubts after this is all over. I don't think you can see something like that, knowing that a literal secret war is being waged over it and come out totally clean in your thoughts and beliefs. It isn't enough to make him a cynic and I think he could never be a fatalist but finding this passage in a previously sealed and hidden tomb, with what appears to be one of the chained sins? That's a whole lot of spiritual mind fuck.

Do you guys think we should snatch up the tome? It would be stupidly dangerous to do so but...
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>>3934817
>You don’t know what this means. You don’t know what to believe. Is the Almighty… is He even real? [Replace Idealist with Cynic]
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>>3934840
Fucking this. This is exactly where I am
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>>3934812
>The role of the disciples of Adam and Cain are more prominent than some orthodox depictions
Hey Forgotten just wondering what do we know about these 'disciples' from the orthodox point of view? Assuming this version is canonical I bet these would be the five Sons who fell.
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>>3934838
If there's stuff here maybe there's more around Canton if enough evidence is gathered this would shatter not only the queen's authority but the Church as a whole would fracture and splinter the Dogma commonly known would be entirely usurped hell even the divinity of the Brothers as paragons would be brought into question.

this would destroy almost entirely one of the cornerstones of Canton society.
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>>3934845
I think it would destroy Canton society itself. Imagine the wars that would come out of it. The splintering of society when one of their major, founding beliefs, something that is simple understood to be true by most is just wrong. I reckon attempting to uncover any more of this would probably make us an enemy of the Order of Chains as well considering what we now know (and the church itself obviously).

On the one hand, it seems like important knowledge, something that any true believer would almost feel compelled to seek out, just to know. On the other hand I think Emile would see peace and the goodness of the current, publicly known canon as being too important to destroy. The very principals he relies on can't just be thrown away like that.

Complicated shit no doubt
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>>3934841
I agree, this is something that Emile would have to ruminate on for some time to have it take proper root.
As for the tome? Honestly i'd personally say it's too risky because it can be potentially traced back to us, but I won't argue against it if that gets voted on in favor for it.
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>>3934817
>This is just an ancient eccentric version of the True Faith. A relic of a time when myth and fiction blurred and people worshipped the Old Gods and the New. It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing. [Retain Idealist]

>>3934831
>>3934833
You two are taking the Sons of Sin thing too literally because you desperately want the tinfoil theories to be true. The Sons of Sin are just the demons they got from the Pit for a deal. Regina didn't pop four kids in an instant that's crazy.
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>>3934817
> This is just an ancient eccentric version of the True Faith. A relic of a time when myth and fiction blurred and people worshipped the Old Gods and the New. It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing. [Retain Idealist]
I feel that Emile would retain most of his ideology and beliefs, since this could just be a heretic cult that spawned alongside the time of Adam and Cain, but the fact that the royal family is waging a secret war over it, and what we read about the son of sin in the archives leaves him very shaken and questioning. We must know more. But for now our brother needs to go home.
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>>3934817
>> You don’t know what this means. You don’t know what to believe. Is the Almighty… is He even real? [Replace Idealist with Cynic]
this reveal is too large for me to ignore and retain idealist doesn't seem to encourage further investigation to solidify our faith, we read about the sons of sin from the order of names we know they exist the question is are they siblings of the brothers or or some malignant force masquerading as them
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>>3934850
Thats a good theory, but it does specifically say the sons were 'forged', which indicates either humonculi of some sort, or 5 actual disciples of adam and cain being uplifted(downlifted?) by infernal powers due to the pact.
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>>3934850
You're taking previous lore too literally because you desperately want it to be true.

See how that works?
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>>3934817
>> Everything you have been told is a lie. The Church, the Faith, the Book of Brothers, ALL of it. Nothing but so much sanctimonious shit meant to control your lives. [Replace Idealist with Fatalist]
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>>3934817
> This is just an ancient eccentric version of the True Faith. A relic of a time when myth and fiction blurred and people worshipped the Old Gods and the New. It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing. [Retain Idealist]

But this shouldn't change anything for Emile, the world is darker and has more evils in it than we thought but that will not change the ideals we live by. Even if true that the brothers made a dark pack and some of their number fell to sin.

Also I freely admit at being way off with my theory.
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>>3934850
Ignoring previous tin foil stuff, what do you make of the fact that Adam and Cain are named as the Sixth and Seventh sons before the pact is made in that passage? And the wording of "forged", it could maybe mean artificially created, or perhaps it refers to actual people being twisted and changed - forged - into the Sins
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>>3934817

> Everything you have been told is a lie. The Church, the Faith, the Book of Brothers, ALL of it. Nothing but so much sanctimonious shit meant to control your lives. [Replace Idealist with Fatalist]

> You don’t know what this means. You don’t know what to believe. Is the Almighty… is He even real? [Replace Idealist with Cynic]

I'm fine with either as these revelations are some faith breaking level shit, but I think we would go cynical first before fatalist until it was confirmed that this is all true.
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>>3934812
>ANGUISH
>ADVERSARY
so Adam was the embodiment(?) of 'anguish', and Cain was the adversary. Considering that avarice, atrocity, and anarchy are included, I wonder what parts of Canton are currently under the influence of the sons.

AVARICE might mean Pascae is being manipulated, perhaps the bluejays and other rebels are for ANARCHY, the other are either too esoteric or self-centered to speculate on for now. Also how does this tie into the beastmen slave trade conspiracy?
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>>3934858
Everything you have been told is a lie. The Church, the Faith, the Book of Brothers, ALL of it. Nothing but so much sanctimonious shit meant to control your lives. [Replace Idealist with Fatalist]
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>>3934848
we can't even confirm that order still exists or if its function is to protect the world from this dogma or something else maybe even both?

regarding Emile this stuff changes how you would fundamentally tackle so much of the Canon and dogma of the Canton church that im not surprised Forgotten is throwing a potential trait change at us. so much is called essential truths are challenged by the existance of this place and it revelations.

My only major question is if the challenges even the crown as an Institution why is someone maybe even the prince digging this up?

>>3934850
You're disregarding new material on the basis of it contradicting old material that seems a little bias anon.

How else are we to take the mentions of other sons then if not in some litreal addition to church canon?
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>>3934840
Though I have to say this is pretty good too.
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>>3934867
Atrocity is in Ardenne.
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>>3934869
>My only major question is if the challenges even the crown as an Institution why is someone maybe even the prince digging this up?

I can't think of any really good reasons but maybe the Prince sees it as an opportunity to do away with the church and consolidate power solely with the position of King? Obviously that'd be pretty short sighted as it would probably lead to a catastrophic civil war and result in a bunch of Dutchies becoming minor Kingdoms instead but he might think he has the manpower or the authority to win all that outright?
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>>3934873
That would make a lot of sense actually. The whole deadman situation slipped my mind.
>>3934867
Wait a fucking second...

There's apparently 6 living brothers, and the knights code has six virtues, being
>A Knight is Sworn to Valour
>His Heart Knows Only Virtue
>His Blade Defends the Helpless
>His Might Upholds The Weak
>His Words Speaks Only Truth
>His Wrath Undoes the Wicked
Forgotten you sneaky fuck

could they be inverses? the last one sounds like cain's title of the "ADVERSARY", but since we know the other brothers are likely evil, does that mean that cain has adopted the role of protecting humanity by sealing the brothers, the pseudo opposite of smiting evil?
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>>3934874
A bit far fetched but maybe even the Dragon is involved. Perhaps he "let slip" something that tipped the prince off to what was down here, planting the seeds of conflict and conspiracy and fueling the young Princes desire for power? He's old enough to have that sort of information and maybe he sees a weakness open to be exploited. So he lets Canton devolve into chaos and war and then when they are weakened he marches in with his armies and enslaves the population all over again, putting them back in their "rightful" place beneath him
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>>3934874
I think we can agree that however we feel about this, that neither the thing chain here or information about it should get out.
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>>3934880
That's true. People might be believing in a lie (to a degree) but it is a lie that is keeping Canton together and preventing all out war and death. Fuck me Forgotten has thrown a weight on poor Emiles shoulders
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>>3934817
>This isn't something we can work through all at once, and certainly not all on our own.

Making a decision in the bowels of the earth when we're wounded and in mortal danger isn't going to go well. We should decide after we've had time to think this through and consult with those more learned then we.

For now, get our brother and the slaves out of danger. What comes after, comes after.
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>>3934812
Forgotten I really hope the Sons of Sin are just pit fiends or disciples of the brothers. It makes no sense that not one but 5 brothers of Adam and Cain got memory holed. It would be just a cheap twist if so. Why the hall isn't the Dragon telling the entire world about this if it's true? He would destroy Canton with this. Why didn't Carthagi scholars record this to refute the canton faith? They had no writing? What happened to all the people who accompanied Salve Regina and her sons to canton to settle it? Did they all disappear or decide to keep this a secret? Anyway I stand by what I said that the tinfoil theories are nonsense even if they were true in the story. It just means this quest's plot is illogical no matter how you suspened your disbelief.

At least Regina and the Almighty aren't self hating fae
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>>3934867
that gave me a thought Maybe Avarice is the origins of the path of thornes if it even has its basis in religon like the paths of adam/Cain

>AVARICE might mean Pascae is being manipulated, perhaps the bluejays and other rebels are for ANARCHY, the other are either too esoteric or self-centered to speculate on for now. Also how does this tie into the beastmen slave trade conspiracy?

Thats an intresting line of thought if a tad overly literal in giving sins grounding, it may just be these sins are the threats to the existance to mankind that threaten to tear mankinds decency and manifest destiny apart.

though now I think about it it begins to fit a sort of seven deadly sins vibe to contrast the knightly virtues the quest starts with

>AVARICE
for greed does nothing lift the race of man towards the allmighty
>AGONY
For torment alone can render all men faithless
>ANARCHY
For without order the light of Man is extinguished
>ABYSSAL
For threats from beyond the keen of reality things plot mans doom eternal
>ATROCITY
For abandoning the decency of man renders us bestial and horrors of our own making
>ANGUISH
I may be retreading agony here but it can lead to an abandonment of faith & goodness in hope of a reprieve
>ADVERSARY
For when faced with mighty foes does not man falter in fear?

now that I think about this more in a more grounded way the more they can fight existential threats

>AVARICE
Copperclippers and corruption
>AGONY
The Black ships whatever their purpose is
>ANARCHY
Bluejays and the realm in disorder
>ABYSSAL
The Pit and the threat of things beyond the mortal realm
>ATROCITY
War or the deadmen of Ardenne
>ANGUISH
Carthaggi slavery and the existance of servitude to any nonhuman
>ADVERSARY
Monsters and the weight of these existential challenges

This are more or less

>>3934874
that does seem to be it at present, he probably thinks he can wield this fire and not get burnt.
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>>3934887
It's happening
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>>3934887
I wouldnt presume too much, also the 'forging' happened after the voyage across the seas to Canton, and who knows if it was a public affair? maybe the brothers were desperate against the fae, and secretly forged infernal bio-weapons in the form of men to fight the frontlines without the majority knowing. We literally dont know.
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>>3934889
Its true that it could be more literal, but theres a lot of 'movement' happening in the political realm of canton, which makes me suspect potential external influences.
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>>3934897
yeah I'm not saying anythings out of the picture just when it comes to being very litreal we should remain levelheaded.
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I vote on a whim and with no consideration
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3934858 #
Everything you have been told is a lie. The Church, the Faith, the Book of Brothers, ALL of it. Nothing but so much sanctimonious shit meant to control your lives. [Replace Idealist with Fatalist
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>>3934893
I'm not talking about the pact. I'm talking about the supposed five brothers everyone deleted from their memory. Why isn't the Dragon telling the world about this? Why didn't the Carthagi scholars back then record this? No way ancient Carthagi was advanced as it was without freaking writing. Why didnt the settlers and soldiers who accompanied them all decide to forget all the five sons? This shit tinfoil literally requires me to turn off my brain of these were actually all sons and not just desciples of the brothers.
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> You don’t know what this means. You don’t know what to believe. Is the Almighty… is He even real? [Replace Idealist with Cynic]

Wew.
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>>3934904
why do you have such a hard time considering the idea that something was lost to common knowledge and was covered up by that certain groups who had a lot to gain from it being buried or genuinely thought it may have been better off lost as ancient history?

the more we talk about the dragon the more I'm convinced its not a litreal dragon and more a title
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Also, does this mean that out of all the sons, Cain and his brother were the only two not to turn?
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>>3934904
>Why didn't the Carthagi scholars back then record this
>A slave girl has 7 sons
>Literally no one cares and she is raped again

I mean think about our ancient history. How much has been lost and forgotten? How much has been altered? How much that we take for "truths" is really just speculative.

I mean seriously you are like a kid finding out Santa isn't real
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>>3934904
A lot of shit is lost to time. There's ancient gnostic sects that were only discovered through manuscripts in a cave
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>>3934910
That's what I'm taking from this. It doesn't really destroy the foundations they built as far as ideals. It makes things very grey.
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>>3934904
oh you mean that salvae reginae didn't literally have 7 sons, yeah that doesnt seem very likely. But even then its not guaranteed that we have all the facts, since Cain's crucifixion is referred to as the seventh sons crucifixion. The entire story could be fictional, how do we even know that salvae reginae existed? Also we have no frame of reference on how cathaggi culture view cantons religion, perhaps they DO think that there were seven sons, but most cantonians either dont know or dont care and just regard them as bitter heretics.
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>>3934917
Its also been established that there were prominent disciples under Adam and Cain. Considering that its medieval times and barely anyone is literate(not to mention how many Canton settlers were likely freed slaves), all it takes is a couple of people at the top to not mention certain details in the record for a conspiracy to happen.
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>>3934887
Because the dragon is in seclusion and doesn't give a fuck. Because cathagi scholars didn't care to name of the rebels once they were gone. Because it's easy to manipulate an illiterate population and change their history when you are writing it. Because it might not have happened like it's being describe and we are seeing religious beliefs codified hundreds of years after the fact distorted by time and the political climate of the time. There are a million reasonable explanations.
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What is Sin though? And it says "Five sons turn to sin, the sixth son is martyred"
Maybe those five sons were helping the Fae and the reason for Cain's brothers death.

"XII The Seventh Son Reaps a Bloody Vengeance. Two Sins Are Chained, the Rest Scattered."
The seventh son reaps a bloody vengeance, and hunts his brothers, chaining two, and on the next line, hunting down the rest of his brothers.

Could sin represent the fae?
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>>3934817
> This is just an ancient eccentric version of the True Faith. A relic of a time when myth and fiction blurred and people worshipped the Old Gods and the New. It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing. [Retain Idealist]

it's hard to break a lifetime of fervent belief. we'll probably accept the hard truth later, during a sleepless night where we can't shake it.

still, i hope emile decides to retain his idealism because believing in the sentiment behind the passages, if not their literal meaning, has led him to do some very noble things.
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>>3934922
On a litreal not prehaps they ended up consorting with one or many of the enemies that threaten mankind and/or the nascent nation of Canton.

On a less litreal note prehaps they simply fell prey to each of sins listed and became Blackguards of a sort desecrating the values of knighthood and chivalry until all that remained is the horror of each sin in the shell of what was once a Paragon of Knighhood.

whats intresting is the Implications that if the latter was true Adam suffered a great deal of anguish and Cain a great deal of adversity.
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>>3924780
me
>>3934817
> Everything you have been told is a lie. The Church, the Faith, the Book of Brothers, ALL of it. Nothing but so much sanctimonious shit meant to control your lives. [Replace Idealist with Fatalist]
or
> You don’t know what this means. You don’t know what to believe. Is the Almighty… is He even real? [Replace Idealist with Cynic]
I support change. Mostly in hope that at latter date we will return back to idealism. It would be kind of stupid for him to not switch to any of this after all of this shit he experienced.
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>>3934817
>> This is just an ancient eccentric version of the True Faith. A relic of a time when myth and fiction blurred and people worshipped the Old Gods and the New. It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing. [Retain Idealist]

God damn Below. This is deep holy shit, no wonder theres a hidden civil war. No, anons are right. It'll take more than mad scribblings to turn emile away. But I expect he will be much more willing to take things with a grain of salt.
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>>3934936
Yeah I agree.

Also, this is a pretty great twist, ngl. I thought it was going to be something tame but this is great.
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>”We came across another Son of Sin, this time we were not taken by surprise and challenged him on the road. Of our remaining party of eight, including three anointed knights, only I survive to report this. He, or rather IT, said the same thing over again as butchered us. ‘I AM AGONY’.

>-Sir Paul Rayan of the Order of Chains”

So that'll lend more context to that report we read. This Order would likely be Cain's Ten Thousand and chained implies that the goal is to capture and seal away the other sons instead of kill.

Curious though as to why. Perhaps it might be that last message salve reginae gave to her last son? Could it be that she voiced that she did not wish to see her children slaughter each other further? It fits with the scripture of how she broke after Adam died. Because he was killed by her other sons.
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>>3934943
maybe whatever they inherited from their progenitor makes the essence of them unkillable? sort of like a warhammer demon they can never be truely killed except through the most bullshit of circumstances and the only other recourse readily available is to chain them away.
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>>3934943
>Perhaps it might be that last message salve reginae gave to her last son?
Interesting. That's a really good theory
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>>3934943
Makes sense, there should also be a supernatural element since we can hear one being alive right now despite being hundreds of years old.
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>>3934945
Possibly but unlikely considering that Adam died...

Or at least thats what we have been told. And honestly, the only way to confirm it other than slaughtering another Son of Sin is to break open his reliquary. And THAT will get us all sorts of holy blessed steel up our rectum.
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>>3934911
What a stupid comparison. A successful slave rebellion which went to find a nation would be documented. Its nothing like Santa. Thanks for the lost braincells you gave me.

>>3934912
Not when there are witnesses to that event who are still alive like the Dragon.

>>3934917
It better be just some bullshit some heretic made up because it makes no sense.

>>3934921
The Dragon lives in a palace in Carthago and he should absolutely give a fuck. This would allow them to send Canton into chaos and disprove that he was defeated without magic. The scholars should care if those rebels want on to found a nation hostile to them. "Reasonable" explanations my ass. This 7 sons twist is bullshit no matter how you cut it to make it believable. Forgotten is a poor writer if he tries to sell it to me that 5 fucking brothers got memory holed and everybody forgot about them without talking about them again. Absolute bullshit.
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>>3934957
I honestly hope all the twists you find so unpalatable end up being true
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>>3934957
Dude you are getting really salty about this. Calm down knigga
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>>3934817
>> This is just an ancient eccentric version of the True Faith. A relic of a time when myth and fiction blurred and people worshipped the Old Gods and the New. It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing. [Retain Idealist]
>>3934757
Me btw.
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>>3934952
yeah possible also I forgot to mention this but the chronological order of the passages are intresting clues in >>3933257

>9. The Power of the Wild is broken at Motte-Fallavon.
>10. Adam is Martyred at the Hands of the Wild.

ignoring the surprise attack the wild made against Aubrey what made the Wild go for round two after being devasted by the battle at Motte-Fallavon? was it the fall of the other brothers? Fey deception? also note that the attributation of Adams Martyrdom at the hands of wild is strangely absent from the passages in >>3934812 somethings not adding up.

>>3934957
Seriously why are you so upset about the new information we are learning? Calm down, process this information and deal.
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>>3934957
Wasn't the dragon spared in the end by Adam? Wouldn't he just keep quiet about it out of some meme dragon honor or fear of Cain coming back to actually kill him?
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>>3934817
>> This is just an ancient eccentric version of the True Faith. A relic of a time when myth and fiction blurred and people worshipped the Old Gods and the New. It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing. [Retain Idealist]

Personally I prefer Zealous but this works.
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>>3934957
But the dragon is probably the only alive witness, and we don't even know if it IS alive. A "dragon" could be anything from a title, a figure, or anything. Mythology is molded, and who knows if it actually is a dragon. Let's say it is alive though, and it actually is a supernatural creature; there's tons of aspects to take into account whether it could spread such a tale.
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>>3934957
I was expecting a hissy fit from the way you argued before. Accept it and move on or don't and keep believing you hold a monopoly on what makes sense.
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>>3934967
I think the brothers that fell into sin made a deal to kill Adam, or killed him for some reason; it makes sense when you look at the new chronology.

"Five sons turn to sin. The Sixth son is martyred." The way they're put together suggest it has a correlation. Then there's XII, which suggests that Cain went on a vengeance against the other sons, possibly in an attempt to avenge Adam's death.
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>>3934974

Per the pastebins the Dragon is a castle sized monstrosity. I'm pretty sure its a literal dragon.
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>>3934959
The tinfoil theories are less dumb than this hogwash

>>3934962
I'm not salty im flabbergasted at this bs. Turns out there were FIVE brothers that the Dragon, literate Carthagi, the soldiers of Adam and Cain, and all the settlers who just forgot and want POOF. Get the fuck out here with that shit Forgotten. You're drunk.

>>3934967
Because it's makes no sense. I would have to turn off my brain to deal with it. It makes this quests plot dumb trash written by a hack

>>3934968
Why would the apathetic and cruel slaving Dragon care about that?

>>3934974
Lmao this is literally more insane

>>3934975
No. I'm not turning off my brain and eat whatever bullshit twist Forgotten feeds me.

If the sons of sin are actually Regina's then this quest is unbelievable trash
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>>3934987
Lol you mad
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Holy shit, Forgotten. You madman. This is amazing.
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>>3934987
I mean... you are free to leave at any time and not read or participate in this quest if you aren't having fun champ. No one is forcing you to stay. It seems the rest of us are enjoying it and personally I think Forgotten is a great writer. Is he perfect? No. Does he make mistakes some times? Sure. But considering what we've read so far, and taking into account his previous quest... I'd say he has pretty good writing chops
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>>3934817
>> You don’t know what this means. You don’t know what to believe. Is the Almighty… is He even real? [Replace Idealist with Cynic]
I like the some character development. Perhaps later down the line we could turn Idealist again? that'd be amazing.
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>>3934987
He isn't always apathetic and cruel. He was moved by the torture of Big Momma. Why wouldn't he respect the only humans who came close to killing him but spared him in the end?
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>>3934987
Why are you acting like forgeting 5 people is the biggest deal in the world? I mean, just look at real history, there are examples where whole cities were lost and forgotten and people only figured it out centuries latter. Is it that far fetched that something that happened so long ago has lot of its detail?
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>>3934984
Nah he might not be an actual dragon. He might be just some dude in a huge costume who likes cosplaying and everybody bought it. Common sense and lore have no power here after all. Only tinfoil is.

>>3934995
Nah I'm gonna wait to see if the sons of sin or whatever are actually Regina's. If not I'll continue this dumb quest just to laugh it

>>3935000
Read all the reasons I gave.
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>>3934817

> You don’t know what this means. You don’t know what to believe. Is the Almighty… is He even real? [Replace Idealist with Cynic]
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>>3935002
Jesus dude why are you so salty?
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>dis knigga legit mad
Ah-hahahahaahhahahahahahaha
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>>3934987
Makes perfect sense, not everything is recorded, details and figures in history are lost to time due to human error and fallibility it's no stretch to say this happened and that's it.

You do you at the end of the day anon but you're not convincing a whole lot a people here of your infallible wisdom.
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Shouldn't this vote exclude 1 ID posts? I think it's important enough to be samefagged. Pls use your brain Forgotten
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>>3935012
>Attempting to dictate how the vote is run
>Insulting the OP
>Being an arrogant twat

You're a 10/10 contributor, keep at it
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>>3935014
Do you seriously think this vote won't get samefagged?
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>>3935012
For a couple of posts there I thought you were actually being serious, bravo, you fooled me.
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>>3935021
I think that perhaps you should try being a little less crass and a little more polite. Might get you further. You've been a dick for the past few hours
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>>3935014
Do you seriously think this vote won't get samefagged? This is a one-update-per-day quest. It's a samefags wet dream.
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>>3935002
But didnt the Carthago Empire fall after the rebellion? A lot of must have been lost in the fallout. The Dragon also doesn't really care about politics, he gets his gibs and he is happy. Using your logic, if he cares about the Empire he could just get up and destroy any nation in his path,no?
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>>3935025
Ah you're that asshole that wanted Forgotten to change his voting to like a 4 hour window because it best served you. Now it all makes sense.
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>>3935002

Read the timeline again. The Sons of Sin were forged AFTER the journey to Canton.
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>>3935012
Forgotten will deal with potential samefags eventually. He's not here 24/7 you actual fucking child...
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>>3935025
Hey man chill a bit. You're a bit agitated.
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>>3935022
Im absolutely serious at everything I posted.

>>3935033
So they were not the sons of Regina?

>>3935026
>But didnt the Carthago Empire fall after the rebellion? A lot must have been lost in the fallout

Yeah including the Carthagi's memories of the rebellion and the rebels it seems

>>3935031
No I'm not whoever you're talking about
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>>3935049
Do us all and yourself a favor, go jump off a cliff
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>>3934817
>>3934840
>If it weren´t for their pact, the slaves would have just gained their freedom to lose it at a cruel master. They were paragons among men and still had to make a Pact with Below in order to win against the Foe. Motte-Favalon...you remember the Fae of that night. How could you had thought Men alone could win against such strength? The greatest victory of Men, a handout from Below. [Replace Haughty with Humble]

I really want the write in but if it doesn't have enough traction to be considered I would go with the Cynic route.

>You don’t know what this means. You don’t know what to believe. Is the Almighty… is He even real? [Replace Idealist with Cynic]

Also>>3934843
This is me if my ID changed. Internet crapped out. Thanks Comcast.
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>>3935049

>So they were not the sons of Regina?

I don’t believe so. The wording of all of this makes it hard to make a serious judgement call though, with a Bargain struck WITH Sin being the big one for the simple fact that Adam and Cain are denoted the 6th and 7th Sons of Sin respectively. Now, there’s really only two reasons for these numbered denotions: chronological and respective.

If it’s chronological, then that brings up the issue that Adam and Cain existed before the Bargain, but are not the 1st and 2nd Son. For this to be true, the other Sons of Sin would have had to had existed in some capacity before they were forged, which leads me to believe that those five were indeed fiends that were the Brothers bargained with.

If it’s respective, then there is the possibility that the Five were also mortals, maybe even born of Regina, but there is another issue here. Cain is the 7th, meaning that he’d line up with ADVERSITY but he’s specifically recorded as using the Blade of ANGUISH, the 6th Sin that should line up with Adam. Now, it’s entirely possible that Adam gave his brother this Blade as he’d be better suited to it, but it is still a slight issue with this theory.

What I find most interesting about all of this is that this ‘sacrilege’ confirms the existence of the Almighty. It doesn’t use a different name, or imply that it was something else entirely, it just calls it the Almighty and leaves it at that.
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>>3934840
Definitely am supporting this.

Not samefag, phone posting and lost other post in the time since
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>>3935083
Oh I seen then. That makes sense. Definitely leaning on it being chronological. I appreciate the explanation so thanks
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>>3935092

No problem anon.
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>>3934817
> This is just an ancient eccentric version of the True Faith. A relic of a time when myth and fiction blurred and people worshipped the Old Gods and the New. It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing. [Retain Idealist]
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>>3935083
They are all the sons of Regina. She had seven sons from the very start as you can see from

>VI The Sons Return from Exile, The Seventh Son is Crucified.

This implies that there were seven sons from the start.
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>>3934817
>> Heresy. Blasphemy. Sacrilege. This should all be destroyed. The Queen was right… how could you ever have doubted? [Replace Idealist with Zealous]

DEUS VULT
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>>3935127
>>3934812
> An extra son we didn't know about is impossible tinfoil theory

> She had fucking 5 more sons>>3935127


BuT hoW DiD tHEy HiDe a wOMaN fOr 7x9 MoNThS

>>3935026
>>3935014
Don't forget outright lies about Canon, like claiming Fae aren't immortal, or that they use logic. Not to mention denying the existence of magic, or childbirth after 20

>>3934817

>If it weren´t for their pact, the slaves would have just gained their freedom to lose it at a cruel master. They were paragons among men and still had to make a Pact with Below in order to win against the Foe. Motte-Favalon...you remember the Fae of that night. How could you had thought Men alone could win against such strength? The greatest victory of Men, a handout from Below. [Replace Idealist with Pragmatic]

The haughty to humble is a cop-out and ignores the fact that Emile's faith is central to his ideals, and what it means to be a knight.

Backing "Cynic" option if the write in doesn't win though.

>>3935083
> It doesn’t use a different name, or imply that it was something else entirely, it just calls it the Almighty and leaves it at that.

The Almighty what, though? It could still be a powerful Fae, or an entirely different being. "The Almighty" sounds more like a title than a name.

>>3935127

> brand new ID

> Dude who argues with everyone just suddenly accepts his wall of text despite glaring flaws.

> Randomly focuses on it reinforcing the Almighty existing, which has been a trigger of Mr. Tinfoil

Hrmmmmm
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Can't wait for Forgotten to wake up to all this.
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>>3934979
Or Cain rebelled and used the Army to sieze power.

After all, history is written by the winners, and the 5 sins plus Adam don't seem like they won.
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>>3935157
He's laying in his bed with a smile on his face. Dreams of anons coming to blows over imaginary religions...hehehe silly Americans
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>>3935002
> Nah he might not be an actual dragon. He might be just some dude in a huge costume who likes cosplaying and everybody bought it.

> The Dragon is the two chained Sins in a costume.

I could see this happening.
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>>3935165
Eh, just as valid as any other religion.
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>>3935150
>> brand new ID
>> Dude who argues with everyone just suddenly accepts his wall of text despite glaring flaws.
>> Randomly focuses on it reinforcing the Almighty existing, which has been a trigger of Mr. Tinfoil
>Hrmmmmm
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>>3934817

> You don’t know what this means. You don’t know what to believe. Is the Almighty… is He even real? [Replace Idealist with Cynic

Ahah well then i was kinda right they made a deal with something to get the magic powers they welded.
This is much worse god demm titty fucking shit.
But also i was thinking forgoten was going to thow us into a boss fight....
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>>3935177
It's like you won't get a (You) if you use a different device like a phone.

You are the one repeatedly bringing up samefagging, also, but you're suddenly cool with this brand new id?

Hrmmmm.

I think it's at most a two-hidden-sons level of conspiracy that you might be samefagging (out of a possible up to 5 hidden sons on my tinfoil meter).
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>>3935180
I'm just kinda sad there wasn't a "Change Idealist to Paranoid" option where Emile suddenly becomes easily convinced of wild theories.

Cynic is a good second choice though.
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>>3935177
>>3935150
BTFO
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>>3935185
>>3935177
hey guys can we just play the game please? I'm sure you two are awesome people.
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>>3935185
Whatever helps you cope buddy
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>>3935188
This thread has been a great example on why we can't have nice things.
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Ah but what if the samefag is actually a falseagger trying to discredit the other side
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>>3935188
I am 1000% not serious, I don't really think he's samfagging.

Check the votes, the new ID voted for cynic.

And I support that vote, so I'm definitely willing to admit it's a genuinely new ID.

Don't worry about not knowing if I'm serious because you can't hear my tone in text. Hearing the tone I'm typing this in wouldn't give away if I'm serious or not.

Hell, even I'm not sure.
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Forgotten is going to be really sad when he finds out it's really just 5 people playing posting with 4 or 5 IDs each
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>>3935188
this. some people here really need to take a break and re-examine the things they think are important
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>>3935195
Just vote and come back when it's over. It's just playing around anyways.

Still.

> 5 hidden sons

Ahahahahaha! Come on, it's hilarious.
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>>3935199
Knigga, the only reason to samefag is because you can't play a game that doesn't agree with you.

I'm equally good going Cynic or Zealot. We can turn this car around right now and murder all the Beastmen child slaves we just let go, kilk our brother, and go down to join the Queensmen with Damiens head on a fucking stick to prove our loyalty.

I don't give a fuck.

Normally I would vote against it, but this is a tags: mindbreak moment for Emile.
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>>3935208
Nah, this isn't enough to mindbreak Emile. This can shake him and make him doubt the scripture but his faith and ideals are more than what's written on paper or stone. If the brothers were flawed and desperation drove them to consort with fell powers then we should take it as a lesson on vigilance for even the best might be tempted by the pit, not as a refutation on our beliefs.
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>>3934817
>> You don’t know what this means. You don’t know what to believe. Is the Almighty… is He even real? [Replace Idealist with Cynic]
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>>3935248
I mean, it's not like Emile's faith is a pillar of his identity, something he was raised believing to be as true as the sun rising in the morning. Not like he's more faithful than average, going on a pilgrimage to reaffirm his faith and to follow in the footsteps of those who instilled those morals and values he has in himself.

But yeah, I think there's room for acceptance which is why I voted primarily for the write in (as an Idealism to Pragmatism) though.

Also, kinda ironic we made our second Thorn choice right before finding this all out, no? IMO that puts Emile in a more flexible frame of mind regarding what he's experienced.

Mind. Break.

Fighting Queensmen, saving Beast slaves, finding lost horrors of history.
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>>3935004
>>3935033
>>3935083

Home from work, this is I.

>>3935127

>>VI The Sons Return from Exile, The Seventh Son is Crucified.

>This implies that there were seven sons from the start.

Considering that this set of engravings was done after Cain left Canton, it's also possible that the group that did this simply knew him and Adam by their 6th and 7th Sons titles and called them as such even before they became Sons of Sin.

Although, Cain did have that Blade of Anguish back when he was a rebel in Cathagi, so who knows really? Could go either way.

>>3935197

Believe it or don't, I'm not samefagging.
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>>3935180
Thus is me couse my id changes from posting on phones well im at work.

>>3935186
Pretty much.

Hmm theres some fun things getting talked about, the Almighty dosnt have to mean god could just mean a superpowerful thing that had was about to give power to the sons when they made a deal with it.
Also all the sons of sin names start with an A same as the god which is called almighty wounder if they wore made in his image?

The thing about the vows we take and the number of sins seems like itl lead to something important.

But iv got a question for you all, will mc now start a quest to finsh out the sons of sin and keep this burden to his household over the years? And in the process become a new saint as killing/chianing the sons means saveing country.
Im all for taking the book since people would just think its a normal one till they read it which if people are alredy going though pur shit we go issues, also will we show this room to the other people that are in the slave room?
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>>3935083
You don't think (assuming this writing is accurate) that it's more likely that there 7 full brothers, who fled to Canton, struck a deal to gain the powers they used to claim the land for themselves and their followers, and then had a falling out due to power and greed, leading to the five others being erased from history?

(Assuming the writing is accurate) why differentiate between two brothers Cain and Adam, and five fiends that they made a deal with? That's a logical leap that has no backing here.
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>>3934817
Either of these:

>This is just an ancient eccentric version of the True Faith. A relic of a time when myth and fiction blurred and people worshipped the Old Gods and the New. It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing. [Retain Idealist]

>Heresy. Blasphemy. Sacrilege. This should all be destroyed. The Queen was right… how could you ever have doubted? [Replace Idealist with Zealous]

It takes a strong man to deny what is right in front of him - stronger than the rest.
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>>3934817
>> You don’t know what this means. You don’t know what to believe. Is the Almighty… is He even real? [Replace Idealist with Cynic]
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>>3934817
Oh shit Kniggas. Personally I feel like out brave knight would be cynical of these ancient ruins, and wouldn't really believe them at face value. I lean towards [retain Idealist]

I also made another herald because i'm hyped, 5 rings of chains for the 5 Sons of Sins, just my guess at the heraldry of the order of chains
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>>3935292
Ah shit, what the hell, I always forget to scale down these images
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>>3935280

>You don't think (assuming this writing is accurate) that it's more likely that there 7 full brothers, who fled to Canton, struck a deal to gain the powers they used to claim the land for themselves and their followers, and then had a falling out due to power and greed, leading to the five others being erased from history?

Eh, maybe. The 'Five Sons turn to Sin' part of XI certainly implies as much.

>(Assuming the writing is accurate) why differentiate between two brothers Cain and Adam, and five fiends that they made a deal with? That's a logical leap that has no backing here.

We're all making logical leaps here, it's why we're throwing around theories in the first place. Hell, that post I made straight up said that there were issues with the points I put forwards.
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Will going down the Path of Thorns allow you to become a Son of Sin like being?

Hell, Black Prince vs Son of SIn?
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> Heresy. Blasphemy. Sacrilege. This should all be destroyed. The Queen was right… how could you ever have doubted? [Replace Idealist with Zealous]

HERSEY!!!!!
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>>3935312
I don't see Emile going down that path specially after this revelation. Prince didn't have a window to where he would end up, Emile now has one.
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>>3935314
Spelt Heresy wrong and forgot to link
>>3934817
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>>3934817
>> You don’t know what this means. You don’t know what to believe. Is the Almighty… is He even real? [Replace Idealist with Cynic]
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>>3935298
It´s heresy to be this based, anon
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Also iv just thoguht of this if all sons of sin are still alive evn arfter there bodies are fucked up dose that mean that adim is still alive and just resting in his tomb to hide the real facts? Might explain the order in the 13 passages
He beat back the foe but to keep the nation together and hide the deal they made for power, he went to his tomb to keep lies going and not for people to see the monster he really is.
Would explain how he was able to keep fighting with one arm and beening burned by waryn fire...
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>>3935380
And i rember that when we wore kneeling for the frist time in the church if we had goten 3 passes in the rolls we would have goten a vision from adem,
So what if adem is just chilling under that church giving out quest visions to people?
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>>3935298
Thats super dope, I like how it looks like an eye
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>>3935317
Nah bro mostly just contemplating.
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>>3935298
This is awesome anon.

This is why I voted for Zealous - this blasphemy should promote us to deepen our conviction and express a desire to join the Order of Chains.

Suffer not the Sons of Sin
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>>3935292
Tight.

But ain't their 7 sons of sin? Need like a broken cross for Cain and a broken sword for Adam in there.

Or like a cross piercing a dragon?
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>>3935380
It does only say he was martyred, not killed.

My question is, this Son of Sin - is he one of the chained ones in whicb case WTF is the Church doing here.

Or is it one of the free ones. That Cain was hunting. In which case is Cain here?
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>>3935419
> implying the order of chains isn't heresy.

Seems like the Queensmen are freeing the Son of Sin?
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>>3935298
>>3935292
Nice work Heraldryanon. It's simple but to the point. Just like the Order of Chains.
I don't know why but Order of Chains sounds like a rock band from the 80s.
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>>3935437
Well we didn't find a son of sin. We found a corpse in an ancient Temple. The inscriptions on the wall depicts the creation of the sons of sin. This corpse, a member of the Order of Raginae, was most likely butchered by a son of sin. Was it chained there? Possibly. Did they intentionally free it? I doubt it. I would think the Reginate and the order of names after trying to stop them and keep them secret.

The Duke's people are probably trying to gather evidence to use as leverage, to blackmail the church. They really wouldn't want to let this out either because it could potentially harm the nobility. But, the church doesn't want to run that risk.
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>The role of the disciples of Adam and Cain are more prominent than some orthodox depictions, but these portrayals are much the same as those you have witnessed before

I'm finding this really interesting. Maybe they weren't really disciples. But, 7 equal partners in the uprising and founding of Canton. 5 of those partners turned to Sin and the two brothers, Adam and Cain, opposed them. Or....These were never disciples but actually the 7 brothers.

Either way, the church obscured their legacy by depicting them as minor characters in the founding of the faith and country.
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>>3935460
I mean, I guess I'm assuming the dude screaming "I AM" in red on black font is a Son of Sin.

But there's no proof of that I guess.
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>>3935471
Yeah it seems like it's only in Emile's head, otherwise we would be having a fight to the death right now.
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>>3935475
But that's who the Queensmen are
fighting down there, no?

Like, that's already been established.

>>3930209
A nervous voice ahead wheedles. ”…but didn’t Urze say we was to check on the Langlish, see what the fuck the runner was about?”

”Fuck that! You saw the same thing I did, that red fucker is killing anyone and anything in his way now. Stupid noble fucks and their meddling!” An angry, bossy voice snaps back just around the corner. ”Let’s just get the fuck out of here. No amount of gold is worth... whatever that was.”
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>>3935486
Ah i suppose you could be right. But he's not down in the temple. He's out in the catacombs somewhere. So, we haven't actually seen him yet.

Did we misinterpret the red monster all along? It's not the Prince's man but this Son of Sin?
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>>3934817
>This is just an ancient eccentric version of the True Faith. A relic of a time when myth and fiction blurred and people worshipped the Old Gods and the New. It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing. [Retain Idealist]
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>>3935500

This is me. >>3927437
>>3927424
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>>3935492
I had to go look at the conversation from before
>”…I do not take orders from you, Montesquieu. You may be the Queen’s First Herald but you are not the Queen.” Sir Gilbern’s voice is hard but you get the sense this is a conversation he’s had before. ”We can’t kill everyone we come across. Even in the depths of this godforsaken forest an army is hard to hide. Besides, with that red monster of theirs I think taking the ruins is a task easier said than done.”

Forgotten , you dog, this left so much up for interpretation.
>>3935486
But, I think you are right in this. The Reginate is currently fighting this thing out in the catacombs right now...and losing.

We're going to have a choice. Go help them defeat this monster or GTFO
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>>3935505
>>3935505
If he was out already what were they close to dig out? Unless...they already had a Son of Sin with them and are digging out a second one.
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>>3935507
hmm good question. Maybe it's not a full blown original but i newer disciple trying to dig out it's masters

Or it's literally a monster, like a demon, trying to free them.
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>>3935507
Either that, and the second was released.

Or the one here was under their control in some regard, and has broken free.
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>>3935509
Shit, I want get a glimpse to see that red monster to answer so many questions. With what we have right now we can't point anything at the Prince directly (likely on purpose) only to the duke and its pretty flimsy. A few letters of passage and a commoner's testimony.
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>>3935505
I mean, should we even fight the Red Man? What if there was like a Sunni thing and the Nobles took over the Church? What if the Sons of Sin are the good guys?
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>The Prince pauses at the entrance to the antechamber, glancing back. Unlike His Majesty the Crown Prince has no platoon of armoured knights guarding him, save one giant of a man standing nearby in full-plate forged to a dull red

yfw that might have been a Son of Sin.
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>>3935538
I think we have seen enguh and should not fight the red man, its time to gtfo and take the tome with us as it might have other truths in it.
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>>3935541
Oof.
We should find a way to resummon Cain to set this shit right.
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>>3935320
Switching vote to Cynic.
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>>3935541
I was just having the same thought. What if he really was a son of sin or at least a disciple thereof...
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>>3935541
What if it's Cain?
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>>3934817
>>3934812
Well fuck. This is some next level shit going on here I mean I was expecting a conspiracy but DAM.
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>>3935312
>We will never see the doomgu- I mean Cain vs Prince

Truly a fight worthy of the Skaldening
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>>3935317
You're making a big old assumption that the path of thorns necessitates dealing with other world powers, it may very well not deal in that except in the most extreme circumstances
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>>3935541
>Yfw thrashing his monster proves to the prince there's a better way of doing things without resorting to damnation
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>>3935701
fuck plz no i don't want our sacrifices for the company and best girl to be in vain
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>>3934817
I guess I should also vote so:
> You don’t know what this means. You don’t know what to believe. Is the Almighty… is He even real? [Replace Idealist with Cynic]

Mostly because I think it's the next step. Fatalist and Zealous seem like a pretty extreme jump and remaining idealist looks like just trying to desperately hold onto his faith while trying to ignore the implications.

But it should be fun to see whatever way it goes.
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>>3935703
Reading comprehension anon, I'm not referring to Prince but THE prince
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>>3935706
If we put both princes in a room, Prince would still be THE Prince despite the prince being there.
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We assumed that it was Fae magic that was trapping souls at the Fields of Motte-Fallavon. Surely it was the dark magic that the brother's made a bargain for instead. Maybe that was the deal. In exchange for power this Pit fiend collected the souls of those that fell. The Order of Names has been battling to recover those lost souls ever since.

Which means our prejudice against the Fae could be largely unfounded.
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>>3935733
Prince earned being THE prince that much is certain.

>>3935798
Let's not be so quick to contribute every and all manner of magic fey or otherwise to one source or another there could just as easily be a thousand different sources than just one.
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>>3934817
>This is just an ancient eccentric version of the True Faith. A relic of a time when myth and fiction blurred and people worshipped the Old Gods and the New. It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing. [Retain Idealist
]
I got home from travelling!
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>>3935832
It's all speculation anon
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You guys are taking the whole ''Sons'' of Sin thing too literally. The Sons of Sin are weapons like swords and not sons. You can infer it from the ninth passage's text and the names of the ''sons''.

>IX A Bargain is Struck with Sin. The Sons are Forged.

>Forged

>AVARICE
>AGONY
>ANARCHY
>ABYSSAL
>ATROCITY
>ANGUISH
>ADVERSARY

Those are the names of items not people.

Adam and Cain as well as five other people unrelated to them received seven powerful weapons from the Pit to defeat the Wild. However, the weapons turned out to have corrupting influences. Adam and Cain resisted the corruption thanks to their paragon virtues while the other five couldn't. All the weapons were scattered by Adam and Cain who defeated the other five holders. They afterwards buried all the weapons in secure locations like this one to make sure they never see the light of day.
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>>3935911
You're stretching
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>>3935915
Pretty much all the theories thus far are ''stretching''. Mine is no different.
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Emile should still be strong in his convictions, but this weird ass shit is something that he wants to look more into. Could it be true? No. But maybe? What if it is?

No.

But he should look into it. This writing is old. Older than the books he read from, or his father, or father's father's father's farther. Maybe there are things that have been kept hidden away.
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>>3935917
It adds a lot of details into the narrative that aren't there in order to fit into an ideal.

It makes reasonable sense for the character to think that, but as players it's all pretty nebulous.
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>>3935921
>It adds a lot of details into the narrative that aren't there in order to fit into an ideal.

But I didn't add any details at all. All of it is inferred from the text like the names and the forged.

>>3935919
That's like, your opinion man.
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>>3935911
Interesting, you could be on to something.
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>>3935927
Yeah, but keep in mind that's it all just speculation like everything else that has been suggested. We don't know if the writings here are even trustworthy. It could be just the writings of some ancient heretical cult.
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>>3935911
It's interesting conjecture, weither they were forged into supersoldiers or were given artifacts of immense power or even both remains to be seen.

>>3935919
If we receive more points like this that challenge the fundamentals traits of Emille as a character I'm going to seriously consider them as options for the future, regarding this one though we've come across this one too early to instigate a serious crisis of faith or a resolve to commit to something seriously as its challenges while having immense implications haven't rammed anything truly home yet.
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>>3935911
This is a good theory.

>>3935919
I actually disagree with this approach.

Emille is incredibly pious, this is a well known point about his character. Belief which is shaken by the first seed of doubt is not belief at all.

Some ancient ruins and heretical ramblings do not counteract a lifetime of religious study and belief.
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>>3935949
Knigga, Emile has in very short order been betrayed by a man recommended to hin by the Church, stumbled onto said Church representatives committing foul crimes of slavery and murder of the "no witnesses" variety to hide their dark deeds, learned that his personal idol and big brother has joined with people he has always believed to be "Heretics and Traitors", and then in the middle of this shit found a heavily defended ruin where forces of the Realm had gathered child slaves at the least and quite likely sacrifices including the beast that Heralds his own house which he found dead, and is now finding confirmation of a conspiracy he stumbled onto before in a Monastary.

Let alone that Emile is no scholar no student of religion, having established that along with the book keeping he left that mostly to his sisters, and that he's not some grizzled old man but a naive youth who has one sexual conquest, where he was the conquest -

Honestly I'm wondering where you're getting your facts from because it seems like you haven't read the quest.

Emile just knows the basic shit of his religion, and is really more "spiritual" than religious in a dogmatic sense. Since he's, you know, ignorant of the majority of Church doctrine beyond what directly applies to Knights.

He has a lifetime of *unquestioned* belief, and has been given several serious questions in a very short period of time.

Also Big Red is screaming into his head and slaughtering peeps. Kinda gives credulity to his existence.
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>>3935150
>>3934817
Changing vote to

> You don’t know what this means. You don’t know what to believe. Is the Almighty… is He even real? [Replace Idealist with Cynic]

Instead of the write-in, just to lock it in.
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>>3935987
yeah i don't see how people can retain idealist when every single anon is talking about this as if it's more then heretics mad scribbles if it's convinced us wouldn't at least make Emile doubt
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Yeah, I think he has to go at least a little cynical
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really i don't think forgotten should of linked personality changes to each vote desu feels like people are too afraid of losing idealist to play this honestly but i could be wrong
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>>3935994
>when every single anon is talking about this as if it's more then heretics mad scribbles
Not true. There are several anons including me who believe this is just the writings

>>3935997
What you think doesn't matter. The retain idealist vote has won. This is no reason for Emile to lose his ideals

>>3936002
Nah you're just butthurt that you're vote isn't winning that's all
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>>3935994
well I mean if we're going to judge Emile by the meta discussions on tinfoil and conjecture than he'd be a paranoid schizophrenic by now.

as I've said before I take this as a first step towards doubting the church in an actual real sense instead of mere politics, if this is reinforced again by another moment that draws us into a crisis of character than we could actually become a cynic but not now.
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>>3935994
Oh, it's perfectly valid for Emile to insist on remaining Idealist. All it requires is a conscious and persistent effort to ignore and deny any information that might shatter his worldview.

Real life examples are "The USSR wasn't true socialism", "I'll just get up early and do it.", "Traps aren't gay".

People lie to themselves all the time. Emile could just do that and run away to be a Dragon Guard while throwing himself deeper into his ideals, eventually becoming a caricature of a human who follows his ideals regardless of the cost and dies young, probably after leading many others to their deaths.

But we just broke a vow and got a thorn point for convenience as well, clearly his ideals have already started eroding in favor of getting everyone out alive otherwise I might just votw for idealist instead of cynic.

I think it would be fun, especially when people who voted for it straight up because they themselves don't want to deal with complex moral issues or self examination get caught up as things get worse and worse and Emile gets more fragjle and desperate.

It'd be a giggle. And Valen Quest hasn't run since Sept, I could use some self inflicted misery.
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>>3936005
Hence, a little cynical
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>>3936004
> What you think doesn't matter. The retain idealist vote has won.

Vote hasn't been called yet.
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>>3936009
He shouldn't be cynical or even a little cynical if idealist wins. You're trying to to force your vote's results even by a little because it isn't winning.

>>3936011
True but it will be soon
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>>3936008
You cant break a vow you didnt take.

We just cannot take it as a knight code until we do some penance.
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>>3936009
wary of intentions and true motives, a more active concern over the failure of ideals he believes in prehaps but not necessarily cyncism.

>>3936013
assuming Forgotten doesn't into the tequila
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>>3936013
Honestly, I'm fine with Idealist. Like I said, playing that has its own appeal.

But it's gonna end up like pic related.

But while Emile is wanking about being a perfect Knight and pretending things don't exist.

Y'alls setting our family up to get wrecked while we're being a Dragonguard or something.

Like how Prince ended up making the Necromancer invulnerable instead of following up on his truename, because trying to keep his men alive immediately was more important. Or how Prince decided White Bitch *had* to die, even at the cost of his and his gods unborn child resulting in him getting no waifu for eternity and facing eternal damnation after death unless he can kill God.

And I ain't saying those are wrong choices, but that's the kind of price Emile is gonna pay for choosing to remain idealist.
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>>3936015
Still a much less than idealistic choice.
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>>3936020
Thanks for your insight seer but I don't think your visions on what will happen are valid in a open choice quest with no railroads.
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>>3936020
I think you're overreacting a little to anon's desire to play Idealism, Idealism can be questioned it can be doubted and it can be dragged through the mud but that doesn't destroy it, it doesn't mean we follow principles and ideals blindly but it does mean we hold ourselves and those who should follow those ideas to a higher standard for no other reason than its the right thing to do and the only way a better world is going to come about.
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>>3936023
So, you didn't play BCQ, or the Shekel Knight?

Because I'm just saying Forgotten doesn't pull punches. Just because Emile chooses to be idealistic doesn't mean the world will play along.
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>>3936029
>So, you didn't play BCQ, or the Shekel Knight?

Are you a time traveller? because unless you are we haven't even played the shekel knight yet.
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>>3936027
That's not the kind of Idealism I got from Forgotten's write in, but you make a valid point in that Emile can accept the information while still retaining an idealistic outlook.

I guess so many people voting Idealist were also intent on rejecting the 13th scripture as false that I conflated the two concepts as being part of the same vote.
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>>3936027
I think the cynic option is the most fitting in this instance, but that we still have an idealistic approach to how law works in practice
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>>3936030
Shekel knight, social knight, whatever.

Chump who tried to fight through bad rolls.

Forgotten would absolutely let the world fall into an unsaveable state even if Emile doesn't directly die in the quest.
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>>3936029
Emile has already seen plenty of the world has to offer like what Sir Hast did to the Tailor and his family or what the Creeping Horror did to the farmers. He still held up to his ideals and remained to his conviction. Emile would've lost his ideals long ago if realizing the world can be dark is all it takes for him to go cynic. Even the white lie he told to the guards doesn't mean he lost his ideals. He did it to save the lives of both the slaves and the guards he was lying to. Gutting them unawares on the other hand would've been a different story. That would be a breaking of his knightly code.
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>>3936034
Cynicism can make one act the most idealistic. Like, Beta Ray Bill in >>3936027 is cynical about the fact that there's no "objective" good, but still chooses to create his own subjective "good".

Of course, so does Sinestro so I mean your mileage may vary.
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>>3936032
The way I personally see it is as Emile having his core beliefs and faith shaken. I see him as struggling to hold on to his idealism, it is a hugely important part of the way he sees and interacts with the world but he can't come out of this unscathed. I think, for now he will remain idealistic at least outwardly but will have creeping questions in his quieter moments. Not outright cynical but vulnerable. If we keep having our understanding of our faith challenged at such a base level I can definitely see a change. But for now I think he would hold onto his idealism
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>>3936038
Emile just had a bunch of shit with his brother and a huge conspiracy that turned out to be part of a huger conspiracy.

It's like the difference between having a cop shoot someone in your town just because they can, and finding out that the entire justice system is using police deaths as sacrifices to summon, pacify, or hide from Cthulu.

Huge difference of scale. One isolated bad apple, or one entirely rotten barrel made of lies.
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>>3936041
That's a valid choice.

I mean, of course it is or Forgotten wouldn't have offered it.

But your arguments are a lot more compelling than "Oh, it isn't that bad" or "But he's never been challenged in his faith before".
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>>3936042
That isn't relevant at all. A political conspiracy and the fact royal factions are fighting shouldn't affect Emile personally more than all he has experienced first hand. Even knowing that his brother is Wyte didn't change anything so a political conspiracy shouldn't have any effect. I completely disagree with your comparison and scale. You're grasping for straws.
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I hope Forgotten doesn't make Emile a little cynical to appease the voters for cynic even if the retain idealist vote wins. The vote is for Emile to retain Idealist not retain idealist and become a little cynical.
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>>3936047
I'm voting idealist but lets be real, people are complicated, complex and are more than just their primary traits. After what he has seen I could easily believe he has some doubts even if he upholds and holds on to his idealism. It would be natural to question things a little more after living through this experience. It would seem naive to continue to blindly have faith due to him remaining idealistic about the world.
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>>3936045
His faith in the authority of the State, the Church, and his Big Damn Hero Brother have all been shaken at once.

Not to mention the fact that Craig was his first personal betrayal by a subordinate.

And that Emile is fighting BESIDE the Bluejays.

But no, nooo, things are peachy fine for him.
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>>3936049
I'm being real. The vote is for Emile to retain Idealist and nothing else. Adding a little cynical is an appeasement copout for the losing vote. The losing votes' result still happens even though it lost. The vote isn't for that.

>>3936051
>His faith in the authority of the State, the Church, and his Big Damn Hero Brother have all been shaken at once.

None of this is true if retain idealist vote wins. This is just your opinion on how Emile should react.

>Not to mention the fact that Craig was his first personal betrayal by a subordinate.

Craig's betrayal also had no effect on his ideals just like everything I mentioned. Writings on a wall shouldn't be different.

>And that Emile is fighting BESIDE the Bluejays.
He's doing because he was forced by brother.

>But no, nooo, things are peachy fine for him.
This but unironically without unfunny sarcasm. He has won the battle and succeeded in the rescue mission.

You're trying to force your losing vote's results even by a little which is absolutely pathetic. Deal with it and move on.
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>>3936032
thats fair, my understanding of Idealism as it stands is its a progression we've start as an idealistic naive young knight, since then we've faced some rather large revelations cantons proven to be place that tests our ideals of right and wrong with morally grey choices and right and wrong relativety but it hasn't changed the fundamentals of our beliefs just challenged them.

>>3936034
as I've said before I don't believe as of right now the challenge is extreme enough to change the trait but I can understand the choice.

>>3936035
Point but I mean at that stage Rosseau was basically Emille 0.5 also as Shekel anon I draw more of a distinction but thats just me

>>3936040
I mean BRB exists in a world where half the cosmic shit called gods don't even fill the definition of god by any stretch most are just gods through sufficiently advanced power I wouldn't even call it cynical just aware of things.

>Of course, so does Sinestro so I mean your mileage may vary.

Sinestro was brow beaten into Cyncism to the point of accepting fear as an alternative to the idealism of the GLCorp

>>3936041
This right here I can support as its said in superman
>they will stumble they will fall but in time they'll join you in the sun

>>3936045
>Queensmen are so desperate to hide something they are willing to butcher innocents to keep it hidden
>Kingsmen are willing to theoretically tear Canton apart to weaken the church

I'd say its raises some fundamental concerns about the lengths these people are going to maintain/gain power for a person like Emille particularly when the fate of Canton could very well rest on one or both of these people.
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>>3936060
>Queensmen are so desperate to hide something they are willing to butcher innocents to keep it hidden
>Kingsmen are willing to theoretically tear Canton apart to weaken the church

This means that Emile should no longer be either a Kingsmen or a Queensmen. It doesn't mean that he should lose his ideals.
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>>3936056
>I'm being real. The vote is for Emile to retain Idealist and nothing else. Adding a little cynical is an appeasement copout for the losing vote. The losing votes' result still happens even though it lost. The vote isn't for that.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that I suppose. I don't think it's a copout at all for Emile to be somewhat negatively affected by this stressful and intense experience in which he has had his faith and core beliefs tested. I think you both have a few valid points (you moreso than the other anon) but I don't think either of you are entirely correct in your take on things either. Really though at the end of the day we're all just speculating and pushing our own ideas and opinions, none of this is fact until Forgotten has written it.
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>>3936047
This desu. I voted for Emile to remain idealist not to become a bit cynical. No appeasement for losing votes over the winning ones pls
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>>3936056
Bad argument for Idealism

>>3936060
Good argument for idealism

It's like I'm not opposed to the idealism vote, but that >>3936056 just has really bad arguments for it. "Emile's faith was never shaken if we vote idealism", no his views were shaken and he questioned them and then decided to reject the questions as having validity.

That, and accusing me of somehow trying to backdoor a vote, like I fucking write the quest. Is it just an excuse so you can bitch at Forgotten next?

Honestly, I didn't mention it yet, but you really need to be able to discuss your position without constantly making weird random and offensive claims then acting like they're fact.

Be more like >>3936060, they structure their arguments well, they don't make shit up in the setting to "prove" their claim, and they don't constantly accuse people of trying to manipulate the QM.
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>>3936062
>We'll have to agree to disagree on that I suppose.

I won't even agree on that. The vote is for Emile to remain idealist period. Not to become full cynical, half cynical, or a bit cynical.

Forgotten shouldn't add the losing vote's results to the winning by any amount just because of whining.
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>>3936065
>Bad argument for Idealism
That's your opinion. I honestly don't care whether my arguments are good or bad. I won't tolerate your attempt to force the results you want by complaining even though you're losing
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>>3936066
> All these complaints when we're just gonna vote for Hearty choices anyways.
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>>3936070
I'm interested to see the final vote count.

No, I'm not gonna count, and I sure as shit ain't gonna trust your vote count mr "I don't care if my argument is bad or good (proceed to paranoid rant)".
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>>3936066
Alright fine, yes the vote is to remain an idealist, it's what I voted for as well. But are you suggesting that Emile should be some sort of retarded idealist paragon who can only see the potential good in everything and everyone? After all, as you put it it's a vote to be full idealist, not half cynical, not even a bit cynical. Emile isn't a 1 dimension character without any other traits than idealism.

>Forgotten shouldn't add the losing vote's results to the winning by any amount just because of whining.

Of course he shouldn't but he also shouldn't write flat, cliche characters. He should write characters as if they are real people dealing with real experiences and are capable of growth and complexity. This knigga just found an ancient tome belonging to his religion that contains a secret passage that brings up a whole lot of massive questions about the truth behind it all. It isn't going to make him flip a switch and abandon his ideals and beliefs but surely a rational person would have concerns and doubts and questions no?
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>>3936077
>No, I'm not gonna count, and I sure as shit ain't gonna trust your vote count mr "I don't care if my argument is bad or good (proceed to paranoid rant)".

The feeling is mutual mate. The final count goes to idealist double so if you discount all the 1 id posts that didn't link to a previous one.

>>3936078
Nah my vote is winning why would I be mad? Only thing to be mad over is butthurt anons trying to force their votes' results even though they are losing.

>>3936079
>Alright fine, yes the vote is to remain an idealist, it's what I voted for as well

That's all i'm gonna read from your post. It doesn't matter to me how you think Emile should be as a character or how Forgotten should be as a writer. You're always welcome to leave.
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>>3936084
>That's all i'm gonna read from your post. It doesn't matter to me how you think Emile should be as a character or how Forgotten should be as a writer. You're always welcome to leave.

Hilarious. Mate I've been here since day one and I enjoy the fuck out of this quest. I'm also not the one acting like my opinion trumps all others like you are. If you want to be a pretentious cunt that's fine, you're also welcome to leave
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>>3936084
> I'm not mad
> Acts mad

Lol ok
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>>3936079
Honestly your argument was much more convincing than anything >>3936070 wrote, and discussing it with you has made it a lot easier to play a better idealist if that vote does win.

So thanks for the discussion, and I'm glad you're in the quest even though we voted differently.

I still feel that Emile has been through too many shocks in a short time to really remain idealistic, but then again doubling down to maintain your personal ideals is a fair reaction to finding the external institutions you believed in have failed to live up to your ideals.
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>>3936084
> It doesn't matter to me how you think Emile should be as a character or how Forgotten should be as a writer.

Good, because I'm going to convince him to write Emile as a Cynic by continuing to discuss it in the thread.

But it doesn't matter to you, so that should be fine. If it does, you're always welcome to leave.

Explain to me again how the Church couldn't have hidden an extra son? Wait, I mean 5 extra sons?
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>>3936089
No worries mate, I've enjoyed the discussion for the most part and I think a lot of good points have been brought up on both sides. Honestly I almost voted to go cynic right off the bat myself. You don't see too many quests with such lengthy debates like the stuff Forgotten generates, even if it turns into shit slinging occasionally
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>>3936091
>>3936092
You two are A-Okay
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>>3936091
Not gonna happen unless Forgotten gives gives a middlefinger to voting which Forgotten would never do because he has integrity. It doesn't hurt to dream though. It keeps the delusional motivated.
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>>3936094
Thanks bud. Most of us are just here to have fun. Honestly I pretty much forget all the shitposting as soon as it's over. I do kind of miss calling people a Montbrunfag though.

>>3936095
In that case I'd appreciate it if you stopped accusing people of trying to do so.

Glad that's over.
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>>3936097
I'll stop it when you stop trying to force what you want through whining. This is a quest. If your vote doesn't win, then deal with it and move one. Don't try to force your shit
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>>3936094
>A-Okay
A-Holes* fixed it for you buddy
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>>3936099
You just randomly jumped in to start calling people names, something Forgotten has specifically told people not to do?

>>3936098
I honestly don't understand what is wrong with you, and I've run out of ways to try and communicate.

>>3936100
Don't stoop to their level. Because that makes me want to stoop to their level and I'm finding it really hard to resist.

Y'alls know they gonna get super wound up and that can't be good for their hearts.
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>>3936098
>Whining about people whining when those people are just trying to enjoy an interesting discussion on the various philosophical and theological consequences on current in game events

>Totally not mad
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>>3936101
Hey mate i'm not the one who started crying like a baby for the QM to give me freebie because my vote ain't winning. Call me upset when that happens.

>>3936102
>Because that makes me want to stoop to their level and I'm finding it really hard to resist
U mad m8?

>>3936104
Yeah totally not whining just pure discussion I got ya
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>>3936105
> This concerned about Idealist options when Emile is gonna die next combat anyways.

> And when players usually vote hearty besides.

> When Path of Thorns is always an option.

Is why I think it's funny, you're so mad you can't imagine people NOT being mad about this vote.
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>>3936112
You don't get it. It's not about whether idealist wins or not. I don't care which options wins as long as it's the winning one. It's about you trying to force the results you want into the winning vote by complaining when voting doesn't work. This is a shitty slimy tactic. Deal with the result and move on unless the voting poll is being samefagged, but Forgotten has good measures against that like discounting 1 unlinked id posts that came after the vote began. He knows what he is doing.
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>>3936114
Go to bed maybe
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>>3936116
Can you please stop spamming reaction image replies to every post I make? I get it you think I'm mad
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>>3924808
Me
>>3934817
>This is just an ancient eccentric version of the True Faith. A relic of a time when myth and fiction blurred and people worshipped the Old Gods and the New. It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing. [Retain Idealist]

Y'all kniggas need to stop arguing over everything
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>>3936114
Once again, it hasn't been called yet. Trying to call a vote yourself before Forgotten has is a shitty slimy tactic.

Second, I can't vote for anyone else so I'm not sure why you think I have this magical power over forgotten.

Third it's just discussion about motivation over the votes. Sure, maybe it'll convince someone to change their vote, I didn't look until now but the fatalist votes could tie it up if they switched to "Cynic". Vote's still open. Why would I stop trying before the finish line? Looks like I was the only one who considered voting zealot >>3935208 too so that could fuck your entire vote up.

Then there was the write in.

Honestly , never would have looked into it and honestly re-voting to narrow it down to between the two main votes seems like a fucking pain in the ass, but maybe we should do it just to make sure because this vote seems so important to you and you're concerned about samefagging.

>>3934817
I don't really think there should be a second round of votes. The single vote IDs don't change anything and nobody seems to feel this is a criticial vote that could ruin everything.
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>>3936120
Sorry. I'm Jewish. Arguing is pretty much my entire culture and religion.
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>>3936118
This is 4chan
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>>3936123
No, this is Patrick.
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>>3936066
your argument is that the idealism shouldn't change because nothing has provoked a crisis in faith or belief in Idealism, Forgotten is giving us the players a chance to give him one as a narrative beat.

also your argument is that enviromental factors aren't effecting Emille? please correct if I'm wrong here but if enviromental factors such as circumstance won't instigate questions as to our ideals what will? and when would it be sufficent by your own metric?
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>>3936100
lost
oh wait, this isn't ylyl
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>>3936122
Dirty jew
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>>3936126
Cocaine or booze or stress. Dude was cool all thread until >>3936004 when he started to lose it and claim that the vote was called.

Not sure what happened.

Ironically another vote for idealist came up after that player called the thread closed.

Maybe just let them sleep it off.

>>3936131
Oi, Goy, better watch yourself or we'll make Trump give us $10,000 more. And $20,000 for emotional damages is letting you, and by extension America, off cheaply for being so anti-semitic. That $40,000 will go to a good cause, namely bribing politicians to make sure that each time someone is anti-semitic that America pays Isreal $80,000.

Now where's my$160,000 freedumb dollars?
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>>3936121
>Once again, it hasn't been called yet. Trying to call a vote yourself before Forgotten has is a shitty slimy tactic.

Nowhere in the post I replied to did I call the vote. I said it's winning not that it has won. You won't find a single instance of me saying it won in that comment. You're strawmanning.


>Second, I can't vote for anyone else so I'm not sure why you think I have this magical power over forgotten.

>Third it's just discussion about motivation over the votes. Sure, maybe it'll convince someone to change their vote, I didn't look until now but the fatalist votes could tie it up if they switched to "Cynic". Vote's still open. Why would I stop trying before the finish line? Looks like I was the only one who considered voting zealot >>3935208 too so that could fuck your entire vote up.

>Then there was the write in.

I don't mind if you try to convince people to change votes. It your pathetic attempt at including the results of the losing vote into the winning one.

>Honestly , never would have looked into it and honestly re-voting to narrow it down to between the two main votes seems like a fucking pain in the ass, but maybe we should do it just to make sure because this vote seems so important to you and you're concerned about samefagging.

Nah, there's no reason to. Most of the single id posts without links didn't vote for the winning vote anyway.

>>3936126
My argument is that retain idealist is retain idealist. It's not retain idealist with a little bit of cynical for appeasement period.
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>>3936136

Nowhere in the post I replied to did I call the vote. I said it's winning not that it has won. You won't find a single instance of me saying it won in that comment. You're strawmanning.

Lol refuted by the post right above you
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>>3936136
> I don't mind if you try to convince people to change votes. It your pathetic attempt at including the results of the losing vote into the winning one.

Sure does sound like you mind.
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>>3936139
Then why do you keep claiming I'm trying to manipulate the results of the vote when there aren't any results yet?

Lol.
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>>3936139
That post above me didn't refute anything whatsoever. I didn't call anything in the comment. You wouldn't find a single instance of it>>3936114
You're lying.

>>3936140
That you're trying to force your votes results into the winning one? Absolutely I do.

>>3936142
Because you are.
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>>3936142
Haha wairlt, I was quoting his post above me but forgot to greentext. Your post refuted his claim.

Fuck I'm tired, haha
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>>3936139
Whoops sorry here >>3936142
I thought you were >>3936136 who claimed here >>3936004 that the idealist vote had already won.
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>>3936144
Y u lying again? >>3936139


>>3936146
>Your post refuted his claim.
Why do you keep asserting what is not true and making shit up liar? Come on. Find one instance of me calling the vote in this comment>>3936114 like he claimed. Let me give you a prediction: You won't and will keep spamming reaction images to my posts
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>>3936147
Yeah phone posting makes it a bitch to tag and quote previous posts.
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>>3936148
Because you're mad about this and it's funny
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>>3936146
Yeah I got actual stuff to do. Going through accreditation and this was a nice break though.

I did enjoy our discussion about what idealism can mean contextually and the challenge of maintaining it as an internal value.

Sorry that other guy got so unpleasant. Really we should just stop engaging him on the topic, he's far too hostile to actually move the conversation forward.

I hope Forgotten just TL;DRs the vote and doesn't force himself to read the paranoid ranting. It seems so much less fun when it's serious and meta ranting.

Have a good sleep!
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>>3936148
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>>3936150
Just like I thought. You can't find a single instance of it in the comment. That shut you up real good didn't it liar?
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>>3936152
Why do you are linking that vote like it's relevant to what he claimed here>>3936121
liar? He was claiming I called the vote here>>3936114 and you kept asserting it like it was true. Come on find one instance of it in that comment like you asserted. You stumped? Keep spamming reaction images it's something you know how to do.
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>>3936158
Lol

Next time you feel like you're getting mad, instead just don't get mad
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>>3936159
Yeah you couldn't find shit to prove your false assertion, you liar. Now shush and keep spamming reaction images like a good shitposter. It's the only thing you're capable of after all.
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>>3936158
>>3936152
It's literally a picture of you complaining about people discussing votes other than idealist because "it won" despite the vote not being closed.

I'm gonna go to work. Best of luck getting out of this.
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Imagine being a phone nig. Worst crime you could come up with
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>>3936161
That image is not relevant to your false refuted claim here>>3936114 Nowhere in that comment did I call the vote like you said. I dare you to find it.
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>>3936163
Meant here>>3936121
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>>3936163
Lmao you couldn't see the squiggly oval?
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https://youtu.be/GBT9LasyC3E

Relevant to the quest, what do you guys think?
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>>3936165
I saw it and it proves nothing of his claim or your assertion. Come on find one instance of me calling the vote in this comment here>>3936114
Like you asserted liar. I'm waiting to see if you're useful for anything other than shitposting and lying.
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Everyone stop, you're giving me a goddamn headache.

>>3936166
This is fucking cool.
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>>3936174
Yeah, thanks for proving me right.
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>>3936175
Lmao why keep replying then?
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>>3936166
That is an amazing endorsment of chivalric values and prehaps something that should be parroted often, Emile might not completely embody all that is laid out there in chivalry but he's off to a good start.
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>>3936166
I recognize this voice from the elder scrolls: oblivion
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Cain the Cross, I knew I threw a cat in the kennel but damn. At least it proves conspiracies get more (You)'s than throwing waifus at the players.

>>3935292
>>3935298

This is also some good shit.
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>>3936183
Yeah it's the voice actor of Grandmaster Jauffre. I loved that game as kid. The Annoying Fan still gives me nightmares to this day.
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>>3936183
>>3936185
Still play it to this day with mods btw. It's sad there is no decent TES quest anywhere in the web
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>>3936186
Argonian /quest/ when
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>>3936188
An Argonian quest might attract people with certain disagreeable fetishes.
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>>3936188
Is that the Argonian maid from the in-game book btw?
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>>3936190
> be artist
> can barely pay rent
> start doing weird furry fetish commissions
>now rolling in dough
> but at what cost?

You can’t deny that the quest would at least be popular ( although deprived)
The question is: would it be worth dealing with the degenerates
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>>3936191
I presume so since I just googled “the lusty argonian maid”
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>>3936192
It would honestly depend on how good the quest is.

>>3936194
I'm not surprised. Thanks for the answer anyhow.
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>>3936192
Another factor for me is how faithful the QM will be for the setting and lore. TES's lore is amazingly deep and vivid.
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>>3936197
Buy my game
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Total Vote Tally
>Fatalist: 4
>Cynic: 13
>Idealist: 18
>Zealous: 4
>Humble Write-In: 5


1-post IDs that did not link to a previous post
>Fatalist: 1
>Cynic: 1
>Idealist: 2
>Zealous: 2
>Humble Write-In: 1

My apologies to my players but there will not be a more comprehensive update tonight. Work was pretty rough today and I haven't been able to catch a break. I don't think I'm in the right mindset to give the next update the quality and gravity it properly deserves. I will have a content update for you tomorrow night, and we shall very likely (but not inevitably) see combat the update after that.

Emile will remain an Idealist as a defining character trait. I want to be very clear here though, if you wanted Emile to discard these 13 Passages as heretical nonsense immediately and let his doubts and uncertainty wash over him like water off a duck's back then you should have picked the Zealous option. Retaining Idealist will not mean Emile is without doubt, uncertainty or fear. Both Cynic and Idealist choices would result in Emile questioning his Faith at the most fundamental level (that itself being a sin according to the Church). The difference is the conclusion that Emile reaches when he tackles those doubts. A Fatalist Emile would scorn the Faith and its teachings as falsehoods designed to control us. A Zealot Emile would wear stand proof against this heresy wearing an armour of contempt, never doubting for a moment the rightness of their cause. A Cynic Emile would question their every belief and motivations constantly, and that of the world around them. They don't have an answer for the questions that also beset the Idealist Emile. But the Idealist Emile is not bereft of questions, they just happen to have answers. Wrong answers, right answers, fallacious answers don't matter in this moment. But unlike the Cynic the Idealist Emile believes there is an answer, and a -right- answer at that. For now, an answer is an answer. Emile won't have time to meditate and ponder on these confronting questions in the immediate future if he wishes to survive.

Also, I feel I should clarify. This isn't being read out of a book or tome. While these Passages may be based off of a written manuscript (with a very different story to tell from the Book of Brothers), Emile is actually looking at the visual depictions of them in 13 engravings along the walls of the temple hall, hence why he is walking further down and reaching the butchered Reginae knight. Like the 7 Stations of the Cross for Jesus Christ. Have none of you heathens been in a church?

I will take this moment to let me know that I am genuinely honoured that so many of you find such investment in this quest. Every so often some wonderful things happen Uruguayan Flute Carpentry website. I mean, many of you need to tone it the fuck down, but at least you care.
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>>3936205
No problem Forgotten. This counts as an update for me anyway. See you tomorrow.
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>>3936205
>Emile is actually looking at the visual depictions of them in 13 engravings along the walls


Oh that's my mistake, I thought he found a book at the end or something, should have reread.

>I will take this moment to let me know that I am genuinely honoured that ...

You write some good shit that's easy to invest in for an OP on a Tanzanian poetry website so thanks for sticking around Forgotten, it's been a blast so far. Can't wait for tomorrows update

Let the shitposting continue
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>>3936205
>But the Idealist Emile is not bereft of questions, they just happen to have answers. Wrong answers, right answers, fallacious answers don't matter in this moment. But unlike the Cynic the Idealist Emile believes there is an answer, and a -right- answer at that.

I'm quite satisfied with this. You are an awesome QM forgotten, go enjoy your rest for you more than earn it.
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>>3936205
so we can take the seven sons thing a bit more litreally then.

dang it forgotten we don't deserve you as a QM we fling to much shit around and argue to pendantically.
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>>3936208
I think a genuine discussion about long term prospects both in the sense of romantic attachments and possibly sexual liaisons is due soon if for no other reason than this adventure has been stressful and life threatening and our boy deserves some downtime.
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>>3936205
What does Emile see in regards to the 7 sons thing? Is he seeing 7 humans, swords, or what? If humans then which passage do they appear in?
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>>3936205
You after all said that it's a visual depiction. He should be able to see what the Sons of Sin are
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>>3936212
Notice lust isn't one of the sins... Time for a wastelander/Cathagi slaver threesome!
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>>3936221
>Emile goes so native in Carthaggi that he ends up engaging the most ungodly of indecent acts
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>>3936213
>>3936216

You mean the 9th Passage? It is depicted by a shadowy blacksmith figure hammering an anvil. Or sacrificial alter.

It is unclear whether the disciples (or Sons) are comforting/blessing the thing that is being Forged, or holding them down.
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>>3936234
Im talking about the passages before it. Is he seeing seven human sons before the ninth passage or just two?
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>>3936236
There are far more than five disciples of Cain and Adam in this and the canon Faith depictions. Some of them even went on to found mighty lineages like Montbrun the Giant or Aubres the Younger. Obviously a more in-depth comparison is needed to satisfy your curiosity but I don’t have that in me right now. I feel a substantial (orthodox) update of the Faith teachings will be required soon.
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>>3936240
So they were the disciples of Adam and Cain and not their actual brothers? I see then. Is Emile a descendant of any of them?
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>>3936061
I disagree, its our duty as knight, noble and son of Canton to see whichever side that obtains hegemony is one that can safely and properly guide Canton into prosperity and security.

our position as Kingsman so far is only because of our position in a region and household where women are treated relatively equally as men at least as far as the law and social convention allow, this along with slightly conservative and traditional views so far expressed have lead us to side with the kingsmen.
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>>3936244
According to canon orthodox beliefs atleast.
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>>3936248
I don't agree with all the methods of the Queensmen but I agree with their objective that this place should remain hidden and forgotten. For now the status quo should be maintain.
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>>3936253
Those visual depictions on the wall are orthodox canon beliefs? I didn't know
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>>3936256
>There are far more than five disciples of Cain and Adam in this and the canon Faith depictions
>and the canon Faith depictions

>>3936255
on the surface its an easy thing to justify but the most important question is how long has this conspiracy been going and how much blood has it cost to keep secret and why it was even a secret in the first place?
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>>3936258
>why it was even a secret in the first place?

I think that part is obvious at least. It's hard evidence that the story given to us by the church is false or at least not entirely accurate. And it shows that the saintly heroes Cain and Adam were not perfect and in fact struck a deal with evil itself. That would throw a spanner into society and religion removing control from the church and fracturing Canton into civil war.

When you take away a fundamental cornerstone of societies foundation you're going to get chaos and uprisings and power grabs from everyone and we'd probably end up with an invasion from across the sea. This needs to remain a secret for the good of Canton
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>>3936248
The current Kingsmen and Queensmen don't care about what is good for Canton itself. The Kingsmen care for what is good for the King and monarchy as well as the Crown Prince, while the Queensmen care about what is good for the Queen and the Church. It will be a hard task for a mere knight from a minor house like Emile to ''guide'' either of them. There are good individuals among those factions like Sir Robert Gilbern and Orin who just joined us, but the factions themselves are apathetic about the general good for Canton.

There is another political faction other than these two which is the Independents whom we have seen nothing of thus far.

>>3936255
The Kingsmen have been pretty brutal thus far too. They had Sir Hast Vancewell as one of them who killed the Tailor's family on the orders of the Crown Prince and Duke. I remember many people in the previous threads who were convinced that he was lying just to save his own skin. Turns out he wasn't. There's also the Langlish and Carthagi they brought here for slaves.
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>>3936258
So is he saying that they are the brothers of Adam and Cain or just their disciples?
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>>3936267
That's open for interpretation. Honestly at this point we don't know for sure and everything is speculation.
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>>3936267
Hes saying that according to official canton belief, Adam and Cain had various disciples of some minor importance, but this mural depicts the 'disciples' as very important as well as naming them as brothers to Adam and Cain. Whether thats literal or not is up to interpretation.
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>>3936268
>>3936271
That makes no sense. Did Emile conveniently go blind? He's seeing a visual depiction. He should tell whether they are just disciples or brothers.
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>>3936268
Okay then the paintings on the wall don't tell us anything
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>>3936261
admittedly the why was a fairly foolish thing to ask, its answer was self evident enough to not warrant discussion.

>>3936265
We cannot claim to know the mind of Kingsmen yet, we have yet to know the mind of one or many of them nor that of their core leadership its foolish to say we do, the same is true of the queensmen though we have something of a sampler through Sir gilbern and his actions as well as the known extra judical actions of the order Reginae and the trusted liuetenants willingness to carry out wholesale slaughter to contain a religoius secret and the churchs willingness to condemn a innocent man to excuse his hunting.

all of them could be acting to ensure Cantons safety and welfare through whatever means they deem proper or they could not we simply don't know enough to paint them proper.

>It will be a hard task for a mere knight from a minor house like Emile to ''guide'' either of them.
True but the allmighty may have other plans, or he may not but that doesn't mean we should not try in whatever way we can.

>There is another political faction other than these two which is the Independents whom we have seen nothing of thus far.

I am intrested in the introduction of the nationalists they are most likely going to be those most threatened by the external threats to Canton and the duchies and they may very well cross both major parties.

>>3936267
Open to interpretation much like everything else thats been argued about so far in this thread, hopefully the orthodox update will clear up what is and is not orthodox.

>>3936274
It could be very crude or worn away so as to be indistinguishable besides its not like these murals necessarily have big neon lights saying THESE ARE THE BROTHERS/DISCIPLES OF CAIN AND ADAM
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>>3936274
Well surely he's not seeing Salvae Raginae birth all 7 if that's what you are asking
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>>3936275
>>3936283
Does Forgotten expect me to believe whoever made this deliberately made it vague? The one who made this shit would most definitely make sure the identity of those 5 is clear. At least he can tell that they're humans
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>>3936290
Jesus christ dude. I'm done. I'm out. Good day, Sir.
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We should note that while we suspect the Prince as the main mover behind the scenes all evidence and the witness we have gathered here points solely at the Duke of Montbrun. It likely the Prince is cautious enough not to leave a paper trail leading up to him but we should consider the possibility that the Duke is the main mover and is acting alone or only has the tacit approval of the prince.
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>>3936290
I dub thee sir Anon the obtuse
Slayer of plot holes
Warden of the holy logic
And shitposter supreme of the order of many baits
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>>3936290
How different would be depiction of brother from disciple?
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>>3936278
You don't need to know the mind of the Kingsmen to evaluate them. Their actions speak for themselves. They're bringing foreign mercenaries to hunt for slave labor. They're using knights like Sir Hast to murder anyone they find to be a threat. All of these things are blatantly go against Cantonian law and religion. Actions speak louder than words. Whatever their intent is it's not good for Canton.

>>3936290
Maybe stuff like their apparent age and artificial traits can tell us if they're related to the brothers or not but that's it. I think they're just their disciples though. Adam and Cain wouldn't sacrifice their own brothers to the Pit. The character of their paths doesn't fit with it and their mother would never forgive them. Don't forget that these visual paintings might not be trustworthy and telling the actual facts.
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>>3936296
May his star shine brighter than Montbruefag's.
HAIL!
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>>3936298
>They're bringing foreign mercenaries to hunt for slave labor

We lack conclusive evidence to say that these are connected to the prince and that he is or isn't aware or involved in the slave trade or even that the duke is a kingsmen though I do have to concede the correlation is less than flattering

>They're using knights like Sir Hast to murder anyone they find to be a threat.

again correlation is unpleasant but Hast is not a confirmed a Kingsman agent or the that the murder was little more than coincidence at present.

>>3936302
HAIL!
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>>3936297
I imagine something like this. You can't really tell by a mural if these people are related or not.
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>>3936305
>We lack conclusive evidence to say that these are connected to the prince and that he is or isn't aware or involved in the slave trade or even that the duke is a kingsmen though I do have to concede the correlation is less than flattering

>again correlation is unpleasant but Hast is not a confirmed a Kingsman agent or the that the murder was little more than coincidence at present.

...Did you read the quest?
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>>3936307
I think he means that we have nothing that would hold on a trial if we could even get him on trial.
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>>3936312
Ha! Putting the Crown Prince and Duke on trial. Now that's funny.
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>>3936307
why yes I have

>the papers look remarkably similar to the writ that you saw in the possession of the Cathagi convoy last month. The only distinction is that none of them bear the Royal Seal.
>none of them bear the Royal seal


on Vancewell (from the plots and intrigues pastebin)

>Hast Vancewell a Knight of Montbrun murder the family of John Tailor and made claims of having the Royal Prince favor and being on a mission from him.
> "His Highness would be most displeased if I were delayed while acting for him on a mission of grave importance." (Sir Vancewell)

-Under the mistaken assumption that were acting on the behest of the queen or someone in the Order Reginae, Vancewell reveal the following information.
>” I don’t know what that Queensman offered you, but I can assure you it’s not worth it.” Vancewell stammers as Mikail binds his hands in front of him, tying him to the back. ” Those idiots can’t conjure up a new heir, it’s only a matter of time. Those who stand with the Prince will get fat and rich, those against him will hang. I’m a realist, that’s all.” (Sir Vancewell)

none of his claims to royal allies has been proven and his crimes have no tangiable link except through corrolation of other relatively unconnected activities and that could be random chance as much as could be a legitimate Kingsman intrigue.

also if Vancewell is to be belived the queen is trying for a child to usurp the prince, we can't determine the means but it could be very well be the result of a extramarital affair if one does show up suddenly

>>3936315
Trials are nothing funny to a hero of JUSTICE anon
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>>3936317
You're not a great bullshiter anon. You can't twist almost everything to fit your narrative. I actually read the quest. Also the Queen had just given birth
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>>3936205
>Like the 7 Stations of the Cross for Jesus Christ. Have none of you heathens been in a church?
FUCKING PAPISTS GET OUT REEEEE
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>>3936322
Okay then produce the evidence that proves Vancewell is a kingsman and that The prince is involved in affairs beyond just correlation.

I'll vote as you do next vote if you do

>Also the Queen had just given birth

Okay this I want you to actually cite
because I do not remember this at all
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>>3936315
Agreed the only ways I see them going down is three:
1. Death in battle
2. Losing a civil war and being exiled.
3. Losing a civil war and retiring peacefully in a monastery after they renounce their titles

Same thing for the Queen except the first one
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>>3936322
I have completely forgotten about that, maybe that's his main motivation: strengthen his claim by undermining his mother and the other heir.
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>>3936326
The fact that Sir Robert Gilbern, a Queensmen, didn't allow him to appeal his sentence and executed him himself. I don't see any other logical reason why Sir Robert Gilbern would intervene.
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>>3936326
As for the Crown Prince the fact that his personal bodyguard is here in the fort and that he's the one who signed the royal seal.
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>>3936332
Perhaps he abhors brigade and blackguards, perhaps he wanted to see justice done, perhaps he had a grudge against the Vancewells or Hast himself?
There could be any number of other reasons why he did that.
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>>3936337
Sure anon. Whatever you wanna believe
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>>3936337
I also forgot to mention that he was able to stop the appeal and execute him hastily was because he had a direct order from the Queen to do it.
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>>3936336
>his personal bodyguard
No visual confirmation yet, it might be a red ogre out there for all we know.

>he's the one who signed the royal seal.
Yes, on the cathagi letter of passage who are not anywhere near here.
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Forgotten is the red giant bodyguard of the Crown Prince the same Montbrun the Giant you mentioned here>>3936240? Did Duke Montbrun excavate his ancestor and gave him to the Crown Prince as a gift? That will be insane if true.
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>>3936305
> We lack conclusive evidence to say that these are connected to the prince and that he is or isn't aware or involved in the slave trade or even that the duke is a kingsmen though I do have to concede the correlation is less than flattering

We saw the Direwolf getting picked up by Carthagi with a royal writ signed by the Prince. It was notable jn that it wasn't signed by the King despite being royal writ.

And we found another unsigned writ here,no?
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>>3936317
>>3936364
Whoops sorry this was addressed.

It's not looking good but yeah I guess we don't have "beyond a reasonable doubt".
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>>3936339
I was willing for to prove yourself right and you didn't.

The order Reginate has the authority to actually do that even if may have been for personal reasons.

>>3936336
No confirmation as the red giant as of yet so again another correlation with no tangible connection.

Also I can't seem to find the Langlish document in archive or paste in so ditto for that.

>>3936364
Again correlation, I can't cite a source for the langlishmen on the road but these langlushmen only have unsigned documents of permission where's the Carthaggi he signed permission.

A Direwolf would likely sell a lot anyway even if it was to the dragon.
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>>3936205
>Like the 7 Stations of the Cross for Jesus Christ.

Actually Forgotten, there are 14 Stations, not 7. Are you sure you're not a heathen?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_Cross

> Commonly, a series of 14 images will be arranged in numbered order
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>>3934817
>This is just an ancient eccentric version of the True Faith. A relic of a time when myth and fiction blurred and people worshipped the Old Gods and the New. It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing. [Retain Idealist]

If the Adam and Cain we knew never existed...then we must CREATE HIM THROUGH OUR ACTIONS. IT IS THE ONLY WAY
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>>3936513
the vote's over but i can respect the enthusiasm
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>>3936205
> if you wanted Emile to discard these 13 Passages as heretical nonsense immediately and let his doubts and uncertainty wash over him like water off a duck's back then you should have picked the Zealous option.

I feel like more people would have voted Zealous if you made that clearer. I think everyone was under the impression that Idealist means we remain as we are and ignore what we found and Zealous means we go full extreme Deus Vult mode.
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>>3936532
Couldn't disagree more, I got exactly what I voted for. I thought it was pretty clear honestly
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>>3936532
Yeah that was a shitty pathetic cop out. Apparently retain idealist doesn't mean remain as we are. Either go full Deus Vult or you can't remain as you are because reasons.
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>>3936532
Nah, I was fully under the impression that it would take more than just one thing to turn Emile, not whether it would leave a stain upon his heart.
>It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing.
This part in the choice shows that Emile would still be affected by what he has witnessed despite denying what has transpired. It's pretty basic in literary works now that I think about it.
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>>3936543
Why would want to remain as we are?
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>>3936543
>>3936532
>It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing.

do these really sound like the words of someone remaining firm in his belief?

emile SHOULD doubt his idealism. hopefully it ultimately strengthens it and he decides that ideals are worth maintaining
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>>3936532
Nah, I still prefer our current situation with Emile. Shaken but standing, not reacting wildly.
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>>3936543
Imagine crying because the QM didn't write a shitty 2 dimensional character and actually gave him some depth. Imagine also not being able to read subtext in a choice
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>>3936615
>Imagine crying
The only one imagining here is you

>because the QM didn't write a shitty 2 dimensional character

>also not being able to read subtext in a choice
A shitty pathetic copout is a shitty copout no matter how you spin it. Remain idealist should've been remain idealist and nothing else. Fuck your bullshit none existent subtext and fuck what you think too mate.
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>>3936638
>>3936615
Oh I forgot to address your shitty ass opinion

>because the QM didn't write a shitty 2 dimensional character
That's your opinion kingger. I don't give a flying fuck on what you think is 2 dimensional
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>>3936638
I kind of agree with you. The moment we found it was a moment meaningful enough to warrant the nonexistence of the Idealist option.
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>>3936643
You're obviously cranky mate, go have a warm milk and a nap
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>>3936646
I'm not cranky you're just cunty mate
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>>3936578
>>3936587

"It means nothing" sounds like "It means nothing" to me. If you're talking about the repetition, I was under the impression it was for emphasis.
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>>3936652
Sounds like someone not entirely believing the words coming out of their own mouth, trying to convince themselves I reckon

>>3936649
Alright cranky pants
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>>3936652
Nah mate you gotta see through that 4d chess subtext. Remain idealist is not actually remain idealist. Gotta go deus vult because reasons again
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>>3936659
I'm sorry you're blind as fuck dude, hope it gets better
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>>3936658
No problemo cunty pants

>>3936660
Nah my eyesight is just fine thanks it saw remain idealist
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>>3936652
>If you're talking about the repetition, I was under the impression it was for emphasis.
Sometimes it does, usually when they're being asked the same question over and over again by the same person. But with something like this it comes off as if being plagued with the first steps of doubt that aren't going away.
Again this is more on how it's used than anything really.
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>>3936659
I'd recommend a remedial reading comprehension class. Should be able to find one for adults if you live in a populated area. Probably part of one of those adult education courses for those who didn't finish highschool etc. Good luck on your journey to higher education
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>>3936668
I recommend tissue paper for when that period blood starts leaking from your cunt mate. I passed my higher education long ago but thanks for asking.
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>>3936674
>I passed my higher education long ago but thanks for asking.

Oh man I'm really sorry your school failed you. To think your English teacher cared that little. Don't worry mate, baby steps. You'll get there one day
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>>3936674
As fun as it is fucking with you though we should probably stop here. We aren't even shit talking each other on-topic anymore and Forgotten obviously doesn't appreciate that
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>>3936679
The only thing that's failing here is your tissue paper which can't contain your cunny mate. My school succeeded me just fine and I'm perfectly secure in my job unlike you

>>3936683
Whatever cunty pants
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>>3936683
Who gives a shit about what Forgotten doesn't appreciate? Hes a fuckwit hack who will die either from alcohol poisoning or from his miserable job someday. This samefagged quesr deserves all the low quality shitposting the likes of you spew and shit out from their mouths
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>>3936700
I care because I think he's a great QM and he has put a lot of effort into the quest he's created. It's a fun and interesting world with plenty of depth, suspense, action and intrigue. It gets players massively invested in what's happening and has done since day one. I appreciate the effort he's gone to and the fact that he is still here for the ride, updating multiple times every week. And that's all after creating Black Company Quest and taking us on a journey all the way to the crux of that story as well.

If you don't like it, or if you didn't enjoy the result of the last vote you can leave. Or you can get over it and stay. Your choice.
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>>3936700
ok don't read it then. nobody's going to mourn the loss of a chronically whining faggot like you

hopefully some day you find people who can tolerate your presence
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Holy fuck do all you have nothing better to do in life?
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>>3936679
>>3936668
Yo guys you're being too hostile for a qst game. Can't we just put the vote behind us and just play?
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I'm not sure if this is a good sign of not. Some people are so invested they spent hours just arguing here over some trivial shit... lol
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>>3936742
Well if nothing else they're passionate
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>>3936742
You will find out dumbass trust me
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>>3936751
Are you that miserable faggot from last thread? The one that said he's quitting the quest forever lol
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This plot twist was the ultimate pleb filter. Based.
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>>3936700
> when you're so upset you phonepost so you can insult the QM but not risk them changing the quest to spite you

Just use your id, it's pretty obbvy who you are.

>>3936742
I love arguing trivial shit, personlly. But like actually arguing it, not just making wild and inaccurate claims and stating thay people are just wrong. That's like, not even shitposting it's so lazy.
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>>3936685
> Still mad even after winning vote

Jesus just how mad are you.

Just think, if you had voted zealot instead it would have split the vote and cynic might have won.

So you can console yourself with that.
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>>3936192
> but at what cost?

I mean, a lot of Furry artists have an insanely good grasp of anatomy.

And the top patreon earner Fek made $24,000 USD a MONTH. So.
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Ah, fuck it.
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>>3937059
what happened lad
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>>3937054
Aw dude.

Don't be sad.

Take a break if you need to but I hope you come back later.

Shit was just getting real in the quest. It's a great quest. I think you're doing a real good job, providing multiple compelling narrative choices for Anons to follow.
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>>3937059
i've been there as a qm, sorry mane. i know i probably didn't help by responding to the most angry guy but i understand that it's really hard to just let some things slide

i'm thoroughly enjoying this quest, as are most people here (lurkers and participants). there are some people who definitely NEED to take a break and consider how seriously they're taking this quest—it's just a fun little interactive story provided for free, and it's far better written than most out there
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Thank God this week is over. Work blows and my company is laying off 1500 people. So has everyone calmed down now?

Oh..
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>>3937093
Internet stories are /serious/ business anon
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>>3936317
Unless the tales of the King and Queen being madly in love are bullshit (not impossible) or the King's infertile I don't see why an affair would be needed.
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>>3936205
Speaking of which, will our rerolls have regenerated or are still still up shit creek without a paddle?
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>>3937159
Probs becouse you marry for power and not for love, and they have there own lovers??
Pretty normal shit for nobles.
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>>3937250
Should have picked Lady Rabe then.
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>>3937059
RIP
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>>3937187
we got a reroll from the artifact so we should have 2 from that and in our prayers
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>>3937187
>>3937408

I mean, we had a pretty good rest from combat and our status increased to battered so I think we're reloaded fully? Had enough time to get medical treatment and whatnot.

Honestly though, if it comes down to fighting a SoS or other big bad I think we gotta go in with a strategic goal other than just killing it. Because I'm not sure we can.

Just saying, we might be able to take it, but it might be best to try and trap it or wound it bad enough to drive it off, or just help people escape from it.

We should be open to alternative resolutions.
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>>3937415
Our next goal considering things now should be either seeing our comrades escape or fleeing ourselves probably both considering the Queensman may be here.
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>>3937059
Disregard Shitcunt, remain awesome Qm
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>>3937059
>>3937076

QM rage quit? I guess Fffm0uoN really did a number on him, oh well.
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>>3937341
I did but you all wanted the redhead.
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>>3937415
we retain the -5 from injured so dc wise we are in a poor position
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>>3937059
Man dude it's like one hyper autist complaining, I love this shit.
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>>3937448
I didn't, but I mean redhead is a pretty common Fetish.

Mine is light teasing Femdom, so all aboard the Rabe Train this little piggy.
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>>3937485
>>3937448
>not wanting to restore Daubneys faith in Chivalry and goodness
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>>3937059
>>3937054

Sorry for contributing to the arguing and shit stirring. Your quest is my favourite on the board and I'd say (with some bias I guess), it's the best on the board currently. Hopefully you don't feel too discouraged by our idiocy, especially that one cunt calling you a hack, that's ridiculous.
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>>3937054
This id>>3936700 >>3936751 Isn't me if that's what you're implying Forgotten
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what happened?
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>>3937740
People got angry that a vote didn't go their way
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>>3936513
>>3936521

> Voltaire likes this.
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>>3937748
Nah. It's people angry a vote did go their way.

Personally I'd like us to just move on from the vote and get to either running from or fighting whatever it was that was unleashed here.
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>>3937781
Yeah
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Update is half-finished, but it's better to post tomorrow morning with fresh eyes after a sleep. Update ETA in 9-ish hours.
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>>3937831
Glad to see that one troll didn't get to you rest up. It probably was the same abrasive guy throughout the thread that was insulting and dismissing anyone and anything that didn't agree with him.
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>>3937859
Hey man, tbe only way to defuse these things is to not engage the people.

Now, me, I'll fling shit all day if it doesn't bother the QM but it's time to move on.

Bringing up the whole conflation of the two just gives the abrasive guy the chance to "defend" himself as not being the same guy as the two post ID.

Things got out of hand, let's just try for a fresh start and let Forgotten handle it as he wants to.
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>>3937781
Its time to gtfo of here.
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>>3938037
No, knigga. It is time for us to SMITE SIN
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>>3938056
Then we get put down like we in 40k for fighting something we shouldnt even know was real.
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>>3938131
Eh. I'm leaning more towards fighting. It's a nice way of externalizing Emile's doubts.


We can always disengage after all.
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>>3938172
Thought the idea was to get in and out without any queensman seeing as at all.
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>>3938209
Plans change. Ain't gonna let no Sin demon thing run free.
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>>3938210
Not our job not my problem and we ant got no magic wepons or holy stuff.
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>>3938056
let's not fight a possibly godlike enemy whose potential powers and destructive capabilities we know next to nothing about. it could be immune to our weapons for all we know

also it killed MULTIPLE people who are way better equipped and more experienced than we are
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>>3938368
>>3938308
Not even take a shot at it with a crossbow? I just can't help but feel this will only be more difficult at a later date.

Besides, Knightly ideals. Gotta fight, right? Can't just run like a coward without even seeing what we're up against.

It was just released and is probably as weak as it's ever gonna be, and we won't be fighting alone.

You want to let it recover its strength?
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>>3938401
>Can't just run like a coward without even seeing what we're up against

The thing is though, we aren't just up against whatever this thing is (man, monster, other). We're also up against two different armies that will happily cut us down on the battlefield. They may not target us specifically because there is too much shit going on, but we aren't wearing anyones colours so we're everyones enemy (besides the bluejays for now)
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>>3938308
You always have holy "stuff" when you have faith. We can BE the Holy Stuff.

Like when Adam and Caine stood up to the Dragon despite it being

> a possibly godlike enemy whose potential powers and destructive capabilities we know next to nothing about. it could be immune to our weapons for all we know

It's not about always winning, it's about standing up for what's right even if you might lose, so long as there's a chance of winning. If not us winning, at least our sacrifice may buy Humanity time.
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>>3938408
Like Big Red is gonna give 'em time.

Besides, maybe we can collapse the tunnel in the ruins or something.

But just running without even seeing the situation?

Cowardice. Practical AF, but cowardly.

Unless you want to justify it by ensuring the captives survive, that could be a good rationalization.
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>>3938412
Werent Adam and Cain blessed by the almighty prior to the confrontation? atleast that was my impression.
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>>3938416
I'd mostly justify it by Emile being injured and having a responsibility to look our for his squire and man-at-arms. Not to mention we'd likely be worry about getting our brother out of here safe as well.

I'm uncertain as to weather the Red guy is fighting in the tunnels or out in the field but I think either way directly facing it puts us in a severely bad position re: the two armies. It isn't practical to assume both armies are expending all their time and men fighting him. Some will be for sure, but I imagine they'll be fighting each other as well. That means if we spend any time standing around taking shots at this thing we give the enemy a free shot at our back.

We should retreat, regroup and recuperate before planning our next step whatever that may be. I'm all for slaying the evils of mankind but I don't think right now is the appropriate time for it. Better to live and fight another day than to die an unknown knight in a far flung field during a battle that never took place
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>>3938430
Well we should still smack up some supporting beams and joists to keep people chasing us from the tunnel.
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>>3938430
Yeah I'd like to live as well. All these discoveries gives Emile's pilgrimage another meaning as well: a search for the truth. What truly happened all these centuries ago?Which version of the faith is canonical?
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>>3938430
> having a responsibility to look our for his squire and man-at-arms.

The uninjured guys who can still fight?

> Not to mention we'd likely be worry about getting our brother out of here safe as well.

The just as injured as us older brother who has more experience?

None of them are really valid excuses for "protection" compared to a bunch of enslaved children we released and took on an implied obligation for.
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>>3938511
>The just as injured as us older brother who has more experience?

Well that's kind of my point, he is injured and I imagine Emile would be concerned about him. After all, we did just come all this way and lower ourselves to working with outlaws just to get him home safe. We know he is injured and we're injured so neither of us are in a particularly great spot to keep fighter. That would lead to the conclusion that we should retreat.

>None of them are really valid excuses for "protection" compared to a bunch of enslaved children we released and took on an implied obligation for.

It's not really an either or situation. It's just another factor in why we need to leave. We've freed the beasts, we can't exactly march them out in an orderly fashion given what they are. It's likely as well that whilst we've been exploring and getting mindfucked by revelations, they've probably mostly all escaped (or run out into a slaughter).

>The uninjured guys who can still fight?
Yes them. One is a boy who is not yet a knight. He shows promise and he is making progress but he's still just a teenaged squire. A squire whose life we're responsible for. He knows the risks, and he may die in the line of duty but it is our responsibility to do what we can to prevent that. To me that means not throwing ourselves recklessly into another fight that we likely wont make it out of. Especially when we seemingly have no further reason to fight (beyond the religious one, which again we can hunt and tackle later).

As for Sir dan Marc, you're right, he's a competent adult and a knight in his own right. That being said he swore himself to us over a pretty meager debt. And then he followed us into the depths of this frozen wasteland to keep us safe and despite his disgust at the situation, has aided us in fighting with rebels and freeing our brother. He is in our service and it is again our duty to try to keep him alive. He'll keep fighting until we release him so we shouldn't send him into unnecessary fights, it wouldn't be right.

That's my take on the situation anyway
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>>3938533
I'd say that would be more reason to not force them to fight with us, but claiming them as an excuse for shying away when we're the most injured and whatnot -

Pretty thin ice to be skating on there, bud.
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>>3938533
I'm interested to see if not fighting is Haughty (we did our part) or Hearty (gotta protect our bros / complete the rescue).

Because it also seems kinda shit to leave a bunch of kids in the woods. But Beastmen. But kids. Also new guy seems to be concerned about them.
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>>3938550
>>3938558

I don't understand your reasoning. Considering we're injured we'd be at a severe disadvantage in a fight against something this potentially powerful. Even if we assume for a moment that the Red guy is not super powered, we'd still be an individual fighting alone amongst two literal armies. I doubt the Bluejays plan on sticking around now that the beasts are free. It just doesn't make sense to me to do something so seemingly suicidal for... no gain? I honestly can't thinking of what we'd gain beyond perhaps some information about how this thing fights. And that would require us surviving against all odds.

>I'd say that would be more reason to not force them to fight with us

If we stayed back to fight I honestly can't see those three just leaving, regardless of what we say or do. They're all in it for good or bad. One is our brother, another our squire and the last our sworn man who has proven loyal so far. They would never just run and abandon us. That means we'd be getting them killed as well. I can't see that as anything but a failure in our responsibilities and duties to them

>Because it also seems kinda shit to leave a bunch of kids in the woods

On this I don't see what choice we have. Like I said earlier, they've probably already left and I don't think it would be possible to direct them or corral them. They're sort of sentient animals, they're going to get free of the tunnels and run into the woods or fly away or do what they do and be gone. Some might be killed in the rush but again, two armies. The best we can do (as far as I can see) is get them out of the cages and out of the tunnels. We've done the first part and the second is likely happening as we speak.
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>>3938412
I jist think your beening silly.
Your only wanting to fight for the sake of it even just finding out sons of sin live is good enguh, now rember they needed cain and his 10k people to deal with them and not all of then got chained up and you think we going to be able to do it right now??
Knowing when to not fight is one of the most important things for war and just staying alive.
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>>3938560
> . They're sort of sentient animals,

The Beastmen children? They're fully sentient with like language and culture and shit? Remember, we had a whole thing and a vote about treating an injured Beastman on the journey with the pilgrims?

And using the others as excuses for not fighting, when we just took them through a dangerous battle, is pure sophistry especially when we're the one most at risk due to injury.

Dan and Mikhail didn't get a scratch, and our older brother is our older brother we've looked up to.

It's comical that we're the one claiming to protect them like they're 12yo girls with no honour nor valour of their own. We're either declaring them incompetent or invalid by using them as an excuse not to fight.

The Bluejays also never cared much about the Beasts so much as not getting killed by the Queensmen because they were using the ruins as a base.

We can make the decision to bail because it's too dangerous, but to put it on our companions is a slap in the face for the recent danger they just followed us in to.

Protecting the genuinely helpless Beastmen children, while odd, provides an honourable excuse for not fighting.

A Son of Sin, a matter of faith, is a duty for all good men of Canton to face (if true). There's no copping out because "Someone could get killed".

It'll come down to a vote, and you can come up with all the sophistry you want, but they'll be hard sells for different reasons.

Defending beastmen children I believe will be a harder sell to outsiders. Claiming it's for the "good" of our companions I feel will be a harder sell to our companions.

No matter what we claim, Emile will have to wonder if it was because he lacked faith in his God or in his Sword, and if that was because he is truly weak or if he could have made a difference.

Is he prudent, or simply a coward.
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Let's get some more context before we make a decision.
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>>3938576
En, it's more of a matter of coming up with a reason NOT to fight other than base cowardice.

Even then like I said I would prefer Emile contribute somehow to preventing an ancient horror being released. Because if he does run, all the blood spilled will be partially on his hands for running like. A. Wizzard.
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>>3938586
I would be okay with that.
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>>3938581
>The Beastmen children? They're fully sentient with like language and culture and shit?

We can't know that, they aren't all the same creature in different forms. Well actually we can't know THAT either. Point

>And using the others as excuses for not fighting, when we just took them through a dangerous battle

Difference is that battle had a point. I can't see the point behind the fight you're pushing for. It's needless

>Dan and Mikhail didn't get a scratch, and our older brother is our older brother we've looked up to.
And who we've come all this way specifically to protect and save. It'd be beyond stupid to throw ourselves into another battle now and lose him

>It's comical that we're the one claiming to protect them like they're 12yo girls with no honour nor valour of their own. We're either declaring them incompetent or invalid by using them as an excuse not to fight.

It's simply a matter of not wanting to continue to risk their life pointlessly

>so much as not getting killed by the Queensmen because they were using the ruins as a base.

This doesn't really ring a bell but I'm too tired to go searching through archives to find it. It would seem though that they obviously have some sort of alliance with the beasts and it's the reason they've given for coming here so...

>We can make the decision to bail because it's too dangerous, but to put it on our companions is a slap in the face for the recent danger they just followed us in to.

Again... we aren't putting it on our companions, but their lives have value to Emile and so they are definitely factors to consider and weigh in whether we fight this thing for some... reason or not.

>Protecting the genuinely helpless Beastmen children, while odd, provides an honourable excuse for not fighting.

How do you protect a stampede of animals? Like sure, if they've been trapped and cornered in the tunnels we'll do our job and fight but once they're out they will likely scatter. There isn't much we can do then.

>A Son of Sin, a matter of faith, is a duty for all good men of Canton to face (if true). There's no copping out because "Someone could get killed".

Dying pointlessly achieves nothing. It isn't a cop out to leave now, recoup from our injuries and go over what we know before coming up with a plan to defeat it.

>No matter what we claim, Emile will have to wonder if it was because he lacked faith in his God or in his Sword, and if that was because he is truly weak or if he could have made a difference.

Ultimately it's up to Forgotten to decide what dark thoughts Emile faces and sure, this could be one of them, we'll have to wait and see

>En, it's more of a matter of coming up with a reason NOT to fight other than base cowardice.

It's really not. For one thing it isn't cowardice to assess a situation and realise that you aren't fit to be there, that your staying will endanger others and contribute nothing.
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>>3938600

Look, clearly you and I aren't going to see eye to eye on this and anon is right. We need context before we decide anything so I'm going to bow out here so we end with civility
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>>3938610
I thought we were being fairly civil, but yeah at this point we're just going in circles around the issue.

More context will definitely influence the vote too.
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>>3938615
We are, it's been a good conversation but I'm tired and I can be a dick so I'm bowing out before that happens
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>>3938616
It's all good bruh, I feel ya.
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> This is just an ancient eccentric version of the True Faith. A relic of a time when myth and fiction blurred and people worshiped the Old Gods and the New. It means nothing. It. Means. Nothing. [Retain Idealist]

The implications of this heresy shake you to your core. Little wonder that Mater Reginae and the Church should wish to see this profane place destroyed. But is it out of righteous indignation… or fear of the truth? This knowledge could destroy the very pillars upon which the nation of Cantôn stands upon. Civil war at the least, the complete annihilation of the realm at worst. No, not knowledge. Lies. You curse your own momentary uncertainty, what kind of knight questions his beliefs at the first confrontation of sacrilegious heresy? You cannot even countenance the very notion that the founders of the Faith did what these Passages claim. No, it is a lie. It must be. You will not let these raving steer from the righteous and narrow path.

The Duke Montbrun is a madman to think this blasphemy will aid him, unless his only goal is to see the nation thrown into civil war. If he seeks the independence of his own House, it appears he cares not if he sets fire to the rafters in the doing of it. But if the tendrils of this conspiracy creep higher still…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rq8PjgNI3c – Son of Sin Theme

Your troubled thoughts are interrupted by the wet thud and clatter of an armoured corpse splattering at your feet. The hallway opens up into a convoluted network of stairways and platforms. You look up and see…

I. AM.

[1/2]
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>>3939069

What appears to have started out as a strike force of Order Reginae cornering retreating faction members in the catacombs has devolved into an all out battle royale, a free-for-all where the distinction of colours and sides appears to mean nothing. With disbelieving eyes you witness an Order Reginae knight cut down a hired blade and then drive his axe into the back of another man wearing the Queen’s colours. Faction knights who might well have escaped into the tunnels instead fling themselves into the chaotic melee with screams of rage, killing friend and foe alike in indiscriminate slaughter. Annointed knights clash with steel until their blades are dull, they stab with knives, claw with their bare hands and bite and gnaw like rabid animals until they expire.

At the centre of it all, like a perverse Lord at the head of a banquet, towers a creature which you could not for a moment mistake for a man, much less a knight. Too thin for muscle to be the origin of their freakish strength, too quick for something of that prodigious proportions to be moving naturally. The gangly, spiked monstrosity more closely resembles someone’s attempt to prop up damaged armour as a scarecrow. But scarecrows do not rip apart steel helms with their bare hands. Scarecrows do not shatter steel, stone and flesh with mighty sweeps of their spiked Warhammer. Gore-soaked chains are wrapped around it’s forearms, legs, waist and neck. But the chains are dangling from the limbs, dulled and loose without anchor. They are broken.

[2/3]
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>>3939085

[3/3]

If the Faction was ever in control of this abomination, it certainly isn’t now. The monstrosity’s ire seems randomly directed at the Faction and the Order Reginae combatants, regardless of whether they have retained their sanity together or fight like rabid animals alone. A clawed gauntlet reaches out and crushes the skull of a Faction members, then discards the corpse like a ragdoll before pulverising a charging Queensman into the pavement with a single swing of his hammer. You see the ancient stairway of solid stone shake under the blow. In that moment, you are afraid. Truly afraid.

I. AM. ANARCHY!!!!

You recoil as if the voice itself had dragged razors across your neck and spine. You feel the sudden, murderous urge to kill. To slide your blade into warm flesh and see the blood run across these ancient stones. You feel the madness overtaking you.

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>“Many fall in the face of Chaos. But not I. Not today.” You defend yourself against the madmen that assail you, fighting back-to-back with a Faction Knight that seems to have retained his sanity. [Haughty]

>You run. Almighty brand ye craven, but you run. You don’t want to die here, butchered by a fiend of the Pit in this shadowy ruin a thousand leagues from home. People need you. Your brother needs you. That is, at least, what you tell yourself. [Hearty]

> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
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>>3939091
>>“Many fall in the face of Chaos. But not I. Not today.” You defend yourself against the madmen that assail you, fighting back-to-back with a Faction Knight that seems to have retained his sanity. [Haughty]
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>>3939091
> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
I would rather throw our lot in with the Queensmen
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>>3939091
> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
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>You run. Almighty brand ye craven, but you run. You don’t want to die here, butchered by a fiend of the Pit in this shadowy ruin a thousand leagues from home. People need you. Your brother needs you. That is, at least, what you tell yourself. [Hearty]

this place is a lost cause, get the hell out. we will be better equipped to deal with the implications of this when we're not injured.

>You feel the sudden, murderous urge to kill. To slide your blade into warm flesh and see the blood run across these ancient stones. You feel the madness overtaking you.

we're going to be driven insane if we stay here. plus, we may be forced to kill mikhail if he's driven insane (which he probably would be before us). he's not even a full-grown man, mentally or physically, so he will be absolutely overwhelmed by this madness
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>>3939108
>>3939091
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>>3939091
>You run. Almighty brand ye craven, but you run. You don’t want to die here, butchered by a fiend of the Pit in this shadowy ruin a thousand leagues from home. People need you. Your brother needs you. That is, at least, what you tell yourself. [Hearty]
Well time to get the fuck out of here, totally dont trust our rools to stop this shit.
Deemm i wounder if all of the sons have aoe effects on people?
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That's the last update of the thread gents, though of course the vote remains open for now.

I know it's a hell of a cliff-hanger to leave you guys on but I don't want to burn myself out and I can't spare time for combat (if you choose that option). I will try to lock in a time to commence the next thread next weekend, details to be confirmed on the qtg and twitter. Thank you all for playing, you're a good lot and a dedicated bunch of kniggas.

Thread is archived here http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html
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>>3939091
>> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
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>>3939091
> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]

This is my old ID
>>3933215
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>>3939091
> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
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>>3939119
Thanks for the quest,
Il be there for the next thread.
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>>3939091
>”A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]

We pay penance for our momentary lapse of faith - let our deeds help us atone for our thoughts.
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>>3939159
>>3939132
>>3939124
Y do you want to help the queensman? They going to kill us after woulds.
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>>3939091
>>“Many fall in the face of Chaos. But not I. Not today.” You defend yourself against the madmen that assail you, fighting back-to-back with a Faction Knight that seems to have retained his sanity. [Haughty]
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Sir Robert Gilbern, Order Reginate: COMRADE
+20DC, +60AV (Sword, Shield and Full-Plate)
queens men are pretty i assume the faction member will have a normal build like this
+15DC, +40AV (Morningstar, Shield and Breastplate)
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>>3939211
queens men are pretty tough*
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>>3939091

> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
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>>3939091
>“Many fall in the face of Chaos. But not I. Not today.” You defend yourself against the madmen that assail you, fighting back-to-back with a Faction Knight that seems to have retained his sanity. [Haughty]

If we wanted to flee then we shouldn't have voted to investigate the tomb
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>>3939091

> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
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>>3939091
>> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
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>>3939163
We have a moral duty to rid the world of this evil.

Plus, the Queensmen will be good busy dealing with the Faction and sorting out their wounded to worry about us afterwards - so we can slip away then.
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>>3934850
Me

>>3939085

>“A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
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>>3939091
>“Many fall in the face of Chaos. But not I. Not today.” You defend yourself against the madmen that assail you, fighting back-to-back with a Faction Knight that seems to have retained his sanity. [Haughty]

Interesting that this one isn't agony like the one the order of chains found.

I'm torn between killing this thing and retreating, we've achieved what we came here to do but this thing is so clearly born of some pit born horror that we righteously have a duty to strike it down.

Also thank for forgotten for not ditching us due to our stupid tendency to bicker and argue like base bitch village idiots
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>>3939091
> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
We will banish this creature to hell.
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>>3939091
>>“Many fall in the face of Chaos. But not I. Not today.” You defend yourself against the madmen that assail you, fighting back-to-back with a Faction Knight that seems to have retained his sanity. [Haughty]
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>>3939091
> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
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>>3939091
> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
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>>3939260
>>3937418
Me for the purposes of legitimising my vote
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>>3939091
>> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
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>>3939297
Functionally the same as the haughty vote but seems more appropriate with the recent revelations. Emile will be looking to something to harden his faith.
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>>3939091
I got a hunch that the paths we've chosen will affect our fight against this creature. The more Adam and Cain paths we've chosen, the harder it'll be for it to make us go into a blind rage.
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>>3939299
It's not even a hardening his faith, it's more a grasping at the closest thing he can to convince himself he's still what he wants to think he is regardless of if its true or not.
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>>3939304
This.
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>>3939119
Thanks for running!
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All these people that want to try to fight in this hell?? Qm probs going to make us roll each turn not to go mad which i dont think we going to out do.
And trying to help to queensman as well, they have orders to kill eveyone here after woulds and we dont want them to know we wore there since that will put our family in danger which we shouldnt be doing.
Runing away at lest to me seems the best option atm so we dont lose our mind, get killed ether in the fight or by the queensman/ other people killing us after woulds, and i would rather not have qm make us kill our bro since he comes looking for us..

But if all want to fight i might have to change to healping thr non queensman peoples
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>>3939091
>>You run. Almighty brand ye craven, but you run. You don’t want to die here, butchered by a fiend of the Pit in this shadowy ruin a thousand leagues from home. People need you. Your brother needs you. That is, at least, what you tell yourself. [Hearty]
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>>3939304
Yea. I phased it wrongly but thats what i meant.
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>>3939354
> rolling for SAN

> When the votes are crazy enough anyways

Nah, we're long past the point of reason and into full HFY territory.

Gonna go fuck some demi-urge up, let it know that this is our house, the house of (P)Cain and Adam motherfucker.

> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2eUDm2_ZSwc

Emile don't fuck wit' no brand name

Noble Knight 'bout to go on a rampage.

Ain't no Sin Addicts allowed in the House of Cain

Son of Adam gonna turn these pink Dreads into pocket chains

Gonna see the Sword & Board, cold steel chopper bang.
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>>3939354
>and i would rather not have qm make us kill our bro since he comes looking for us..

Forgotten has said that the rescue party and the prisoners have safely made it out of the fort before the Queensmen came. The only one remaining is Emile. It would be a dick move if he wasnt telling the truth and decides to pull a fast one on us like that
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>>3939366
Bro could always comw back for us.
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>>3939354
Seems a shame to vote Idealist and not double down when the chance presents itself.

There are worse things than death. Cowardice, for instance.
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>>3939354
at this point with the revelation we've had about the contents of these ruins if Emille's not going to begin to doubt himself the only choice he has to convict himself of his Idealism is to face down and kill this thing and if necessary GTFO the moment the deed is done so the queensmen don't potentially kill him.

I mean we could run away but that just swings Emilles Idealism into further doubt and rumination and thats something I don't think most want to do currently.
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>>3939367
I really don't think he will. That would be bullshit railroading after he said they made it out to safety. Our choices to save time and get the rescue party with the prisoners out of the fort before the Queensmen came here would be meaningless. Our brother should have stayed and not left with the rescue party then.
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>>3939381
Can always come back in once him and our men find out we are not with them.
I just dont want to fight this son of sin
Though if not enguh people vote for runing away i would change to
>>“Many fall in the face of Chaos. But not I. Not today.” You defend yourself against the madmen that assail you, fighting back-to-back with a Faction Knight that seems to have retained his sanity. [Haughty]
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>>3939386
Choose what you want but realize that none of our companions including our brother are coming here. If they felt we were in danger, then they would have stayed instead of leaving with the rescue party.
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>>3939386
Dude.

Just.

Please put at least some effort into editing your posts if possible. It's getting a little ridiculous.

I don't want to be a dick about it but like are you okay? Because I've been slamming mio and alberta pure vodka so you know I'm not standing on airs here.

But like I'm shitfaced and still not going where you are with word attempts.

Bro. Brooo. Brooooooooo. Come onnnnn.
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>>3939091
>>“Many fall in the face of Chaos. But not I. Not today.” You defend yourself against the madmen that assail you, fighting back-to-back with a Faction Knight that seems to have retained his sanity. [Haughty]

Change to this, we should get the fuck out
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>>3939390
I think we wandered off in a vision haze. We holy AF. Got a sword spirit animal. ShankiShankity shank shank.

Not sure where I'm going with this.
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>>3939391
It is time for bed, i do believe, good night you all.
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>>3939386
Nevermind. Good knight. I'm super done here.
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>>3939091
Judge Death sounding motherfucker.
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>>3934834
My ID

>>3939223
Changing to
>>3939091
>“A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]

If we let this thing leave the fort, then it's gonna wreck havoc and chaos throughout Canton. The Son of Sin Agony we read about took on 8 knights and still roams around
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yeah this seems alot worse then the son of agony it's ability to turn man against man means it is at it's weakest now when it is surrounded by disciplined order knights if it were to get to the citys or any large peasant population i doubt any man could resist it's sirens call.
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>>3939091
>> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
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>>3939091
>> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]

Let's kill this fucker!
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>>3939091
>VALOUR
But we gotta be smart and not get silenced later
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>>3939539
something something, we're here to support that mission you asked us to help in.
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>>3939614
I highly doubt that will work, better to flee into the woods after we kill this game and reunite with our brother.
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>>3939091
>“Many fall in the face of Chaos. But not I. Not today.” You defend yourself against the madmen that assail you, fighting back-to-back with a Faction Knight that seems to have retained his sanity. [Haughty]
I'd rather gtfo, but since we seem to have a death wish, I'll take this flavor of righteous suicide.
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>>3939091
>> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
Whatever the truth, the Sons of Sin must die.
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>>3939630
I mean.

Deaths Door is when our allied sacrifice themselves for us, right?

But now we're working with people we . . . Kinda oppose? Or at least might want to kill us?

So we could maybe pull a "Deaths Dicking" off and avoid a mortal blow by using one of them as a meat shield and then escaping, if necessary. If you really don't want to die.

Not saying I would vote for it, but it could be an option. Anarchy being in Emile's head and all.
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>>3939701
gilbern has comrade status so if he is alive we have a deaths door
honestly i think he will be as he was more pacifistic whereas the over guy who gave the order 66 on all of us seems like he would be more likely give into his bloodlust
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>>3939701
>>3939630
Side note: Watch out for badly rolling Queensmen trying this out on us.
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>>3939361
Yesterday was a little late so I just voted without comment, but I am fine with running away or helping the Order Reginae fight the Son of Sin. If we stay to fight, which is my second option, it should be for a greater cause. The Queensmen might turn hostile later but by helping them now and naming dropping Sir Robert Gilbern we could get a chance for him vouch for us. If question we can say we already knew about the sons of sin record we found in the library.
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>>3939707
Trying to get into the company of Queensmen right now is an idea that will get us killed, even if we kill the SOS we bear no colours and have no reason to be here that doesn't put us under suspicion.

We should just GTFO and move on instead of trying it.
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>>3939771
Like I say my first choice is running away. But if we have to fight I believe is better to do it against the Son of Sin.
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>>3939773
Yeah, my point was more sticking around afterwards is a terrible TERRIBLE Idea that lowers our chance of survival even more than it will be after fighting the son of sin.

I'm tired so I'm probably being uncessarilly insistent on an agreed point.
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>>3939771
>>3939773
Omg finaly some people that rather run away , i too think thats the best course of action, queensmans going to kill us if we stay around then,and name droping that queensman knight would just end up geting us found out and could end up killing our family off ( mum, dad and sisters) not to metion that if qm makes this son of sin as strong as he looks right now then he will be packing a 1 hit ko power move which im sure that the dice gods will make sure we take it to the face.
We did wat we c ame here for now to get out of the woods.
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>>3939091
>>You run. Almighty brand ye craven, but you run. You don’t want to die here, butchered by a fiend of the Pit in this shadowy ruin a thousand leagues from home. People need you. Your brother needs you. That is, at least, what you tell yourself. [Hearty]
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>>3939780
I may not be communicating what im trying to say properly so let me elaborate there, I'm not about running, fighting confirms Emilles idealism which is something I desire, could Emille die? Sure but the only possibility that comes with running is the breakdown of his idealism as a core character trait and I'm not up for that just yet.

Also Forgotten may be a tad brutal when it comes to fights and pulling his punches but he's not out for bullshit one hits, the only reason MC 1 died was because of pure bullshit luck, it's more likely the challenge will be the madness around the SOS.

Now after we kill this pitspawn I'm all for getting put here but until then in my books we're fighting.
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>>3939788
Guse i miss read what you wore saying.
But also to everyone that wants to fight how do you think we can kill this son of sin? Couse we dont know if it can be killed hance y it was chauned up and not killed in the frist place.
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>>3939793
Chained up.
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>>3939793
Kill it with a sword
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>>3939091
> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]

We chose Idealist before. It's time to prove it. If we die, we die. After all, a knight is sworn to Valour, and there are many other knights out there.
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>>3939788
> A clawed gauntlet reaches out and crushes the skull of a Faction members, then discards the corpse like a ragdoll before pulverising a charging Queensman into the pavement with a single swing of his hammer. You see the ancient stairway of solid stone shake under the blow. In that moment, you are afraid. Truly afraid.

This is why I wanted to collapse a roof on him or some shit.

Name drop Gilbern, then think of a way to take this SoS out while distracting him.

Either by luring or pushing him into a place where we can drop something on him or drop him from something, or by being part of the second team who fights through a group of madmen to get into position for said dropping.

Like. Either we fight one big badass trying to survive long enough for the second group to make their move, or fight through a bunch of bloodthirsty murder fucks fast enough to use an environmental trap advantage before he kills all the dudes distracting him.

That way we can present a credible threat without needing batshit crazy rolls, and it represents the tactical advantage of having a group of sane people better than just changing DC.

Like.

If we fight the SoS, then the sapper/ambush team could roll a d3 and need to get to like 9 or some threshold, with each number above that improving the DC of the ambush/trap.

Sort of like Lamplighters challenge rolls.

Or if we fight through guys it could be a more standard battle progress and bonus to the ambush.

Not saying any of this will get used, but group fights vs bosses are in my opinion better handled with stages of progress towards tactical objectives instead of trying to waffle down a bloated HP bar or just having silly DC challenges.

Or like give goals during battle progress that improve the DC pass chance. Moral options to sacrifice dudes for DC on the spot and such.

I'm actually kinda pumped for this boss fight. Forgotten usually does really good with mechanics, and is willing to experiment like with the ranged combat earlier in thread.

We also have Damien as a backup character now.
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>>3939821
>If we fight the SoS, then the sapper/ambush team could roll a d3 and need to get to like 9 or some threshold, with each number above that improving the DC of the ambush/trap.

Exactly what game are you even playing?
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>>3939801if it was that easy it would have alredy been done and not chained up for ages, you need a better plan as we dont even know if it can be killed.
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>>3939091
> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
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>>3939821
This isnt wow my man, hiw would we go about bringing down a cave with out tools for that its not like its a mine tunnle that has wooden beams holding it all up.
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>>3939091
>>“Many fall in the face of Chaos. But not I. Not today.” You defend yourself against the madmen that assail you, fighting back-to-back with a Faction Knight that seems to have retained his sanity. [Haughty]
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On a entirely different note, this SoS is more than likely gonna have some crazy bullshit ontop of having stuff that contests rerolls. Like a different flavor of Black Prince.
I'm just stating the incredibly obvious for the sake of it. Nothing more or less.

>>3939091
> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
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>>3939855
I'm hoping the Reginae guys got some sort of plan.

>>3939824
Just spitballing different ways Boss fights have been handled in Quests before.

Lamplighter used a sort of advantage system to handle complex plans and situations.

BCQ also used unique mechanics to handle the siege, the Dragons impact on battle, Dwarven Battlemechs (rip), private duels etc.
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>>3940120
I think we need to organize people grabbing the chains.
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>>3940198
For sure.

Maybe focus on the ones leading to its hammer arm?

Or if we can get it off one of the platforms into the air somehow, where it won't have any leverage?
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>>3940258
It dosnt need its hanmer as its alredy 1 punch maning people around it.
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>>3940298
Maybe we can get it to smash a pillar, or a weak floor, with its hammer?

Still, might as well disarm it if possible. Besides, if it holds on to the hammer then it'll be an easier arm to pin.

If it lets it go, loot.
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>>3939091
>> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
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>>3940329
Getting it to smash something might not be too bad, but i wouldnt want to loot the hammer, could be evil and all that jazz.
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>>3939091


>“Many fall in the face of Chaos. But not I. Not today.” You defend yourself against the madmen that assail you, fighting back-to-back with a Faction Knight that seems to have retained his sanity. [Haughty]

Where the hell is dan Marc in all this anyway?
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>>3940494
Dont you mean queen and church as theres no government in this time.

As if they would just let us walk away with it, and wat are we going to do with it? Any queensmans would know what it looks like and we cant just hide it on us,
Im pretty sure they would have the things needed to hold it.
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>>3940411
I hope they got the hell out though i doubt it.

I just hope he, our brother and mikhail manage to hold on to their sanity.
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>>3940550
There also a king that rules as well but i dont rember qm saying theres govment officials and shit runing around since this the nobles from each area are the government in that spot they rule with only church and king,queen beening able to over rule them.
Its a bit differnt then what the uk has going on.
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>>3940509
There are two governments here, the theocratic church and Monarchy, they share power and often come into conflict over who can and does what.

>>3939821
I'm thinking you're over thinking things lamplighter often needed creative solutions due to the esoteric nature of the enemies you'd face, this thing is big violent and inhumanely strong, we could simply rip and tear it's guts or we could figure out a way of killing it less conventionally but due to the nature of this creature and it's apparent ability to instigate unmitigated slaughter I don't think we'll be in much of a position for higher cognitive thinking.

Also again name dropping Gilbern likely won't be necessary due to the nature of the SOS, worse name dropping will leave a marker to identify us as a suspect rendering t mmm all the skullduggery we've committed to this point moot and end with us in a less than pleasant position.

>>3939793
It may not be possible but we have both a moral duty and a character need to try.
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>>3940572
Yeah we absolutely can't go identifying ourselves considering the nature of whats going on here
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>>3940570
Any government has a number of minor officials to manage the mudane activities of the realm, we just will likely never interact with them due to their irrelevancy to do our activities.
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>>3939091
> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
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>>3940646
We don't really have a choice in using tactics this thing is turning most of every man in contact with it into a rabid dog willing to slaughter everything and anything around it, any formation and discipline around it falls apart and the best headway is made by weaponising its rip'n tear aura to drive on to killing it.

>Name dropping Gilbern might backfire, but we can decide to use it if they challenge us I guess.

It WILL backfire, everyone involved in this fight royale will one too dazed, confused or broken to be in a ready state to fight or chase us.

>>3940651
I think you're trying to find a niche kill condition where their isn't one
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>>3940651
Or as someone suggested before, if they are indeed brothers then maybe that was part of the last conversation Cain had with Salvae Raginae. She didn't want her babies killed.
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>“A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
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>>3940672 Still gotta try, and if dropping Gilberns name causes trouble later that's not a concern if we don't survive to have said trouble. And honestly, I'm having trouble being won over by the "Let the enemy use his mindfuck skill to mindfuck you" as a solid plan, especially given how much he outclasses us in the rip and tear department. Regardless, one of the basic rules of war is "don't do what your enemy wants you to do". We can see that some Knights have resisted, and we ourselves have resisted as well. We just have to have faith in ourselves and in the Almighty to protect us and the others to keep our sanity long enough to fight this guy. We have to use our numbers to our advantage, not throw it away in a Leeroy Jenkins moment.

Leeroy Jenkins was staged because it was such a genuinely bad idea, but your plan is to literally do that.

Hey diddle diddle straight up the middle is the worst of all possible plans.
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>>3940761
>I'm having trouble being won over by the "Let the enemy use his mindfuck skill to mindfuck you" as a solid plan,

It's not a plan its an eviromental inevitability we are going to have to deal with during this fight, the only way to positively channel its effects are towards killing it before its madness possess us to kill another.

I'm just planning for the worst percieved enevitability in this fight and honestly feel like you lost where I was trying to go with it, maybe I'm confused as to when and where you want to drop Gilberns name.
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>“A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist
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>>3940886
I was saying re: Gilbern that if the Reginae are being influenced enough to try and attack us as a stranger, then we can drop his name so we don't have to fight them as well. Yeah, it'll cause problems after the fight but honestly if we help them put the SoS down we can probably just swear an oath not to talk about it - assuming any of them survive, which is a darker option if the Faction Knights are in good enough shape to take on the Reginae Knights.

Not that I'm saying I would vote for that.

Regarding the madness, we can see that it's not an inevitability for everyone as some Knights are still sane. If we give up that sanity, I'm not sure how you plan on channeling the berserk rage because that doesn't seem to be how it works once you lose control?

It's unclear if proximity affects the debuff, or if it's just force of will or faith, or it might even just be random given Anarchy's apparent theme.

Finally, ultimately, nobody here at all is really on "our side" so quite frankly fuck 'em if they start losing it. Best to stay back and guide those lost to the madness to Anarchy at that point, or put them down quick.

If we start to lose it, we should bug out and regroup. At the least we would have a duty to ensure word of this does get out if we fail to contain or kill Anarchy here.
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>>3940886
Wait, are you saying that we should focus on killing it fast, because you're worried about the madness affecting us eventually?

Because I think that more of a concern if this drags out is it just killing outright before the madness can take us if it hasn't already.
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>>3940886
Also full disclosure I can't remember who TF Sir Gilbern is or how he knows Emile or how these random Knights would be able to connect the two just off of "Some heraldless knight knew Gilbern and fought with us before fucking off after battle was done". Not like they got Fae-book profiles or anything back then, and it's a black ops so their investigations would have to be discreet on top of that.
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Yfw instead of joining an existing order, Emile goes on to form a new one.

The Brotherhood of The Shield.

>“And at the very end of days, one man stood in the gap between what was and what might be”
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>>3940901
honestly i think we make take harder madness test if we take audacious or belligerent whereas we will take lower tests if we take cautious and guarded
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>>3940903
he killed vancewell
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>>3940900
>was saying re: Gilbern that if the Reginae are being influenced enough to try and attack us as a stranger, then we can drop his name so we don't have to fight them as well.

Well I don't think dropping Gilberns name will do much considering this thing is obviously influencing this through supernatural means so that allegiance and brotherhood mean little to naught.

>It's unclear if proximity affects the debuff, or if it's just force of will or faith, or it might even just be random given Anarchy's apparent theme.

I'm thinking its a mechanical debuff (possibly per round) based on our choices so far thematically suited to the specific SOS we're facing/

>Finally, ultimately, nobody here at all is really on "our side" so quite frankly fuck 'em if they start losing it. Best to stay back and guide those lost to the madness to Anarchy at that point, or put them down quick.

We're effectivelly on the same page then at least regarding this on how bad things will be post fight, our only disagreement seems to be on running away or killing this thing right proper so it doesn't do more damage than it already has or worse is unleashed on the greater world.

>If we start to lose it, we should bug out and regroup. At the least we would have a duty to ensure word of this does get out if we fail to contain or kill Anarchy here.

That will be the crux of the issue if we can't kill this thing from the outlook of the votes so far.


>>3940901
Yes thats MY strategy concerning this thing until more information is revealed, I understand people are more than a little anxious about being so aggresive but I'm concerned about this fight lasting longer than we can make it last.

>>3940903
Sir Gilbern is a member of the order Reginae the queens personal guard and KGBlite he executed Sir Vancewell in Grenoble for the crimes he commited and ostensibly due to a lack of hard confirmation at the queens request, we fought with him against the beastmen on the road to Aubrey and borrowed a lance of his, his loyalty mission was to assist him in a mission north of a Favallon, its reckoned that his mission was in fact this mess we are in now.

It's less about these knights being able to personally contact him or his commander and more that the Queensmen being here at all means they are in most likelyhood storming the base above us which means we should probably GTFO before we get captured and tortured/killed.
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>>3940950
Name dropping him should be use if we are capture or are going to be force to fight the queensmen. If we can leave without fighting or talking to them all the better.
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>>3940936
Yeah this seems much more likely to me.

>>3941001
This was what I was getting at with the name drop, I wasn't even the one who came up with it.
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>>3939091
>> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
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>>3940950
So, what you're telling me is that we could accidentally a loyalty for Sir Gilbert by helping out the Queensmen here?

> "Emile, what are you even doing here?!?"

> "What's right, as best I can."

Then brofist.
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>>3944442
I mean, what's more impressive. Having to slowly reveal and test someone as a Knight before seeing if their resolve can withstand a secret that rocks the very precepts of their faith and society, or

Finding out said same person you were considering has stumbled into it on their owm, faced their own inner demons, and instead of fleeing or breaking decides to fight beside you against an actual literal demon even though he knows he may face censure or death for revealing his presence.

Because it's the right thing to do.

That's pretty much the perfect combination of idealistic and brave/idiot to go send of to The Dragons court in Carthaggi to further investigate WTF is going on, and search for further sins.

It's all coming together.
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>>3939091
Going to switch my vote from running here

>>3939783
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> “A Knight. Is Sworn. TO VALOUR!” Some of the less-crazed Order Reginae sect are making a beeline for the towering monstrosity. You must help them. [Idealist]
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>>3944811
>That's pretty much the perfect combination of idealistic and brave/idiot to go send of to The Dragons court in Carthaggi to further investigate WTF is going on, and search for further sins.

Going to Carthaggi is such a copout to the Canton conspiracy, you're asking us to spend three years there while all this shit is going down in Canton.

and there's not even a gurantee that Carthaggi will even have information on what the conspiracy even is.
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Guys we're so far from the Cathago choice that it's basically irrelevant at this point. Lets argue about that when we're at least close to a port. We still have the pilgrimage to finish
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>>3945155
Well, for one thing the Dragon knows what happened because he was there.

For another, there's a shrine on our pilgrimage there as well.

For a third, the Carthaggi are clearly involved to some degree in working with the conspirators.

Fourth, it's known that Damien was here with the Jays to at least whats his name that told us.

Fifth, people know we were off doing something around the area and while they might not know for sure we were involved we're already on the Marquis' radar and there's also Craig to consider. They at least know we hired a forester, so we went into the forest. Since people already are plotting against us hiring Craig and all, there's a good chance they'll want to be safer rather than sorry and try to detain and interrogate us. Also the Jays probably have a couple spies or informants or even just people who might think it's not a betrayal to sell one Noble out to another if it can help the cause politically or financially.

Fifth, we aren't exactly sure of the political situation with the Queensmen and while Gilbern might be willing to trust us due to fighting with them instead of fleeing despite the risk, that doesn't mean others within the organization will. While we don't have any heraldry or identifying marks, we're still a big dude and have a fighting pattern and behavioural characteristics etc. And like with the Marquis, while they might not be able to 100% know it was us an investigation will eventually put us as possibly being there. Especially since, if I remember correctly, it was a fairly high ranked noble from the Queensmen faction who told us about our brother in the first place. Additionally, the monk at the abby knows that we had access to records about the Order of Chains, and if he knew what it was then he's probably in contact with one or both factions to some degree.

We really should have come up with some sort of alibi for our absence.

Regardless, it's unlikely we'll be welcome to start barging about investigating things on our own with our position. In fact that is probably the worst possible plan. As for joining a faction, we're clearly not compatible with the Faction Knights who apparently are freeing/bargaining/enslaving or whatever Sons of Sin, since we find them to be abhorrent and also because they appear to consist of at least two Nobles who either have a vendetta against us and want us dead and the Marquis definitely has no love for us what with us crippling his son. Also I don't think people are gonna vote for anything that results in an outcome other than destroying the Sons of Sin.

As for joining the Queensmen, like I said we're in a pretty suspicious position already since we just pulled a Protagonist and stumbled into things intending to make a small mess and ending up in a huge one. Even if we do join them, as an unreliable and unaffiliated asset our biggest value is either as bait, drawing out the Faction Nobles and exposing their influence and if we die or are disgraced
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>>3945155
>>3945285
Cont.

Then tough titties for us, thank your for your service, the realm will pay for your sisters University or whatever the medieval equivalent is.

We simply don't have the personal power to involve ourselves in what's happening as a third party. Neither side will be happy to have us "helping" either, since we don't have any significant credibility established with any of them nor does either side have any leverage over us that would allow them to control us. Besides threatening us.

The Faction Nobles are right out, we've personally pissed in important peoples shoes already on that side. The Queensmen are our only option if we want to become involved. Our only real value to them is our lack of direct association with them, that we can't reveal any of their secrets if we're caught. They have tons of Knights already for fighting, we don't have any exceptional political connections, wealth, or unique skills such as spying or researching or analysing or seducing or command of military forces or personal connections etc.

Except that we do have a personal connection with the Cathaggi woman who gave us the recommendation for the Dragon Guard. That's what we have to offer them, a clean and legit route into a position in Carthagg where we can spy for the Queensmen, investigating Carthaggi involvement with the Faction Nobles from that end.

It gets us away from the threat of the Vancewells, the Hewitts, and the Marquis of Fallavon. It puts us a safe distance from the Order of Reginae, who our brother has a history of antagonizing. It puts us in a position to build up some degree of trust and influence over time. It puts us in a position to investigate on our own the Sons of Sin as well as access to the Dragon who lived through whatever happened. It puts us in a position to acquire wealth and status to protect ourselves when we return. It gives us time to develop skills that will let us have more significant impact and influence regarding our involvement. It gives us the opportunity to create relationships and backing outside the control of the two (known) groups.

It also allows us to finish our pilgrimage as >>3945158 was concerned. Once again, Cathaggo has a shrine in it.
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>>3945155
I don't mean to put a wall of text, but I strongly believe that joining the Dragon Guard is our only realistic option if we want to be involved any further in the conflict and conspiracy we've discovered.

Even if we didn't want to involve ourselves, we've essentially made staying in Canton a sub-optimal plan ever since we decided to seek out our brother. Lord Norveski had already warned us to not seek him out, as our brother had alienated himself from the favour of the Court by opposing the Order Reginae. Lord Aulderage knew that he was involving himself with the Whites / Bluejays as well so there's a risk of being labeled a rebel and a traitor and a heretic as a legal way to openly pressure us. Even if they end up not having enough evidence to prove it, the suspicion will still make it difficult to make connections and do business in Canton.

That's before we include pissing off two large houses involved in the conspiracy, the possible even likely involvement of the Prince, our personal actions here at the ruins, and choosing to fight alongside the Queensmen despite the increased risk of being recognized later if not right away.

But I'm open to other suggestions on what we can do in order to be involved in "all the shit going down in Canton", but I can't think of any.
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>>3945285
FIrst off obligatory
>HOLY shit knigga you really expect me to read all that

>Well, for one thing the Dragon knows what happened because he was there.
This is speculative, we haven’t confirmed whether the dragon is a title of sorts for the ruler of Carthaggi, a religious title or an actual dragon but lets roll with it is for now because Emille is the pious sort and I tend to think that means he will take its place in Canton Theology somewhat literally.

>Fourth, it's known that Damien was here with the Jays to at least whats his name that told us.

Lord Alderauge but I fail to see how this advocates for Carthaggi considering he is a lord of Montbrune

>Fifth, we aren't exactly sure of the political situation with the Queensmen and while Gilbern might be willing to trust us due to fighting with them instead of fleeing despite the risk, that doesn't mean others within the organization will. While we don't have any heraldry or identifying marks, we're still a big dude and have a fighting pattern and behavioural characteristics etc. And like with the Marquis, while they might not be able to 100% know it was us an investigation will eventually put us as possibly being there. Especially since.

We may be a big dude, but the queensmen bought a small army with them to exterminate any and all witnesses not part of their expedition unless we flee pretty much immediately after this fight our chance of survival without enduring torture/brutal questioning/death come close to zero

>if I remember correctly, it was a fairly high ranked noble from the Queensmen faction who told us about our brother in the first place

Lord Alderauge is his whole bunch of plots at the moment, it appears he likely financed the slaving here if not elsewhere and seems interested in what was buried here even, why he sent us after our brother with his cryptic clue is very VERY strange.

>We really should have come up with some sort of alibi for our absence.

We still can minding of course an act of duplicity.

>Regardless, it's unlikely we'll be welcome to start barging about investigating things on our own with our position. In fact that is probably the worst possible plan. As for joining a faction, we're clearly not compatible with the Faction Knights who apparently are freeing/bargaining/enslaving or whatever Sons of Sin.

This really did not stop us before and I don’t see why it should continue too? The Marquis not having the most flattering opinion of us atm just means leaving Favallon with the pilgrims ASAP after all we’re basically done here with adventures for now.

>As for joining the Queensmen, like I said we're in a pretty suspicious position already since we just pulled a Protagonist and stumbled into things intending to make a small mess and ending up in a huge one. Even if we do join them, as an unreliable and unaffiliated asset our biggest value is either as bait.

agreed which is why getting out ASAP is our best option.
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>>3945295
>We simply don't have the personal power to involve ourselves in what's happening as a third party. Neither side will be happy to have us "helping" either, since we don't have any significant credibility established with any of them nor does either side have any leverage over us that would allow them to control us. Besides threatening us.

Which is why
a) we don't go about declaring what we know in public
b) why we should remain a free agent free of sponser or factions
c)continue to try and determine the right course of action for ourselves

>The Faction Nobles are right out, we've personally pissed in important peoples shoes already on that side.

You can’t claim that, we’ve made enemies of a distinct few, prehaps even a powerful one in Favallon but that doesn’t mean they will remain as such.

>The Queensmen are our only option if we want to become involved.

This is outright false, we can be a free agent in all this by escaping and continuing to adventure around these plots and conspiracies.

>Except that we do have a personal connection with the Cathaggi woman who gave us the recommendation for the Dragon Guard. That's what we have to offer them, a clean and legit route into a position in Carthagg where we can spy for the Queensmen

And this is what you want? To work for the ruthless queensmen, to go far from home in these troubled times to a heathen place where man is sold as cattle and all manner of heathens worship deviled gods and the most ancient of mankinds enemies dwell and work for them.

Nah I think I'll pass

>It gets us away from the threat of the Vancewells, the Hewitts, and the Marquis of Fallavon. It puts us a safe distance from the Order of Reginae,

First off I’m fairely certain the Vancewells aren’t going out of their way to see us dead, secondly we are barely a blip on the Hewitt’s, having dueled a friend/associate of theirs on a matter of honour, thirdly our brother will hopefully be safe in Romaine in our fathers keep doubley so if we alert our Family of the threats.

>It puts us in a position to build up some degree of trust and influence over time. It puts us in a position to investigate on our own the Sons of Sin as well as access to the Dragon who lived through whatever happened.

Specualtion, you say we can’t amass allies of our own and here you are saying we are guaranted it in a foreign land through service to an entity who may not even acknowledge us or even have memories of what we wish to investigate

>It puts us in a position to acquire wealth and status to protect ourselves when we return. It gives us time to develop skills that will let us have more significant impact and influence regarding our involvement. It gives us the opportunity to create relationships and backing outside the control of the two (known) groups.

Copperclipper please, kidding aside what you stipulate here can be done in Canton so I see no reason to go to Carthaggi and stay there longer than our pilgrimage
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>>3945306
In summary I strongly disagree with your conclusion, the Dragon guard does little to continue our involvment in the conspiracies of Canton and only seperates to us from them and divide our loyalties further and test them and our convictions on loyalty should war come to the Kingdom

I can't disagree that remaining in Canton won't cause problems for us but for the right and proper course to reveal itself to us and prehaps one day even direct it ourselves we have little choice but to for better or worse remain, our brothers troubles are by large not our own, by association they may cause rumour & taint but our good nature and conduct can see such things removed, he has also only made enemies with the Church and not the crown proper considering all insistence on his guilt originate from them as far as we can determine, Lord Aulderuge is another plot we should consider looking into, if he is the employer of the Langlish here and responsible for the slaveing here and in fact our brothers whole involvment he should be brought to justice for King and country if not for the Allmighty himself.

finally through our adventures we have as of yet suffered little suspicion or trouble that will truely hinder our activities in Canton to sustain leaving for Carthaggi for more than just our pilgrimage.

please be patient anons we clearly have autism
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>>3945333
>This is speculative, we haven’t confirmed whether the dragon is a title of sorts for the ruler of Carthaggi, a religious title or an actual dragon

Given what we're about to fight, I'm leaning towards believing in Dragons. Regardless, Cathogg will have information not available in Canton. Records will be from a non-Canton religion perspective and their historical myths can help us contextualize the truth. This is a basic tenent of history, not that Emile would know that but if knowledge of the Sons of Sin is being suppressed in Canton it's reasonable to assume that Cathogg will have information somewhere.

> We may be a big dude, but the queensmen bought a small army with them to exterminate any and all witnesses not part of their expedition unless we flee pretty much immediately after this fight our chance of survival without enduring torture/brutal questioning/death come close to zero

You're missing my point. We aren't fleeing, we're staying to fight by the votes with the Queensmen. You're right, they brought a small army, and they did it *in secret* at that. The scale of our resources vs theirs leads me to

>The Queensmen are our only option if we want to become involved.

> This is outright false, we can be a free agent in all this by escaping and continuing to adventure around these plots and conspiracies.

Haha hell no. Hell no, we can't. We're a minor noble

> The latest in a line of Andrei Lords, a House with a long and prestigious history since the founding of Romaine but one that has fallen far in terms of power, wealth and influence since the fall of Ardenne centuries ago. Their blood is unquestionably pure, but they are otherwise a minor player at the Romani Court.

With no allies

> >>>Erstwhile Allies
*Tried and tested, this union sees each partner act in the interests of one another even to their own detriment. Such partnerships rarely exist without being cemented by marriage, wardship or some other oath.*
> -House Andrei

Outside of Sir Rabe who is Loyal, but also not involved in politics and quite frankly he's just one person. Maybe if he was the head of House Rabe, but even then his sister is clearly in charge of politics. So no help there.

So let's return to the fact that not only the Queensmen, but the Faction knights also brought entire armies with them. In secret.

Not only do they have armies, they have spies. They have members in positions of authority and law in society well above our own position. They Order Reginae has apparently been complicit in keeping a secret of staggering proportions for millennia, thousands of years.

The Faction has done one better and stolen a march on them, discovering and reaching Agony for sure and possibly a second Son of Sin and managing to get to Agony before the Order Reginae could mobilize to stop them either politically or by force.
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>>3945608
>>3945352

So my point is that remaining a "free agent" isn't really something we can choose if the Faction or Queensmen dispute it. If they don't believe we're a "free agent", then they can crush us.

And like I said, people have just voted to stay and fight. Even then

> When you return Craig of Lowgrove is nowhere to be seen.

Craig was already taken captive by the Langlish mercenaries. Also he was presumably hired by one of said mercenaries "That had lip hair like them". So at some point, someone is going to get to Craig and ask him what happened in the woods and how the ambush went.

Fun! While it's doubtful that he was hired because of our Brother's involvement with the Jays, or to keep us from snooping around the ruins, we do know that the Langlish have been gathering beasts similar to the the Cathaggi that we ran in to who were issued their writs by the Prince. And we saw an unsigned writ in the Langlish camp.

And who else is working with the Prince?

> >>>Political Opponents
>*Your humiliation, defeat and even death is desirable. They may frustrate your steps where possible, even calling upon their allies to help, but your suffering is usually not their main objective.*
> -House Vancewell

While Marco Hewitt is hostile to us and would likely not weep were we to meet misfortune, the only link between him and the Langlish is . . . well there isn't one. Craig was paid in Pascae coin, but personally I suspect Marco would be attentive when it came to matters of coins so I suspect that was intentional misdirection. A moustache takes time to grow however, and it's unlikely a Langlishman would be willing to shave.

"But where is this conspiracy theory going?"

First of all, you're not paranoid if they're actually out to get you.

Second, it means that with Craig they have a witness who can say that we were involved in the attack somehow. He knows that our brother was friends with the Whites and that we were looking for them (he was with us when we found the dying Whites).

Since the Vancewells (or whoever hired Craig) already tried to kill us secretly, I doubt they'll ignore a chance to portray us as having been working against the Faction all along, from killing Hast Vancewell right after he killed the Tailor, who had put our Brother in touch with the Bluejays.

So we're probably fucked regarding keeping our involvement secret already.

Speaking of the Bluejays

>A letter from your mother "YOUR BROTHER WAS ACCUSED OF AIDING A BAND OF OUTLAW REBELS. CALL THEMSELVES 'THE WYTES'. BE CAREFUL. ROAD HOME NOT SAFE."

Sir Gilbern definitely know that the Whites are right by the damn ruins. And our brother is already known by Gilbert to be associated with the Whites. Gilbert, the Third Herald of the Reginae. Who knows that we were heading to Fallovan to maybe meet up with our brother

> Should you find your brother in Fallavon, which I sincerely hope you do, tell him to stay out of my way.
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>>3945666
>>3945608
>>3945343

To summarize: We're already in the shit. Even if we did choose to run away, the Whites involvement and Craig's escape pretty much point a glaring finger at us for being involved either directly or indirectly through our brother. It's no secret we hired a guide to enter the forest, we got a recommendation for Craig from Father Towbray as well as delayed the pilgrimage and had to house the pilgrims so they know we had "something" to take care of in the woods.

Additionally Gilbern and the First Herald know our brother *is a witness* and should probably have been killed as well as the miners that Lord Gilbern killed to prevent them excavating Agony.

Hell, the entire reason he's hiding out with the Bluejays is because the Order of Names and the Reginae are *already* hunting for him because he's a witness.

That's why Gilbern gave us a warning that we should keep Damien far away from him, and the Reginae.

We're too weak, Damien couldn't even retreat to the Andrei estate for protection. We've already left behind conclusive evidence of our involvement in the conflict. Damien has alienated the Queensment, we've alienated the Prince's faction as well as personally offended a strong house within his faction.

Insisting that we can stay a "free agent" and just walk away from all this is naive, and simply unrealistic.
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>>3945285
>Carthaggi
Its Cathagi without an "r".
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>>3945352
Oh, and also about the Queensmen and going to be a Dragon Guard?

Lord Gilbern, as the Third Herald and we've heard him argue with the First Herald and indirectly refuse to follow his order when Montesquieu said that the Order of Names (of whom Gilbern is apparently a member) could handle wiping out the Whites after the battle with the Faction was over.

He directly stated his opposition to the order later, and was reminded by Montesquieu that regardless it WAS an order from the Reginae and that in the end it must be carried out.

So, your claim that we would be

> To work for the ruthless queensmen,

ignores the fact that their cruelty isn't without purpose, nor is it indulged in without question.

As for

> to go far from home in these troubled times to a heathen place where man is sold as cattle and all manner of heathens worship deviled gods and the most ancient of mankinds enemies dwell and work for them.

From the way we voted when the offer was made

> "I am honoured by your confidence in me, Kyrios. I accept, of course." Cantôn, and Romaine in particular, is justifiably suspicious of all things foreign. That said, the Dragon Guard is a position of no small prestige. It’s exactly the sort of adventure that your eyes lit up at when tales of the Errantry of other great knights were told around the hearthfire. As for the religious side of things, the church is understandably torn. But it has not been since the last crusade that joining the Dragon Guard was prohibited.

Seeing as how Emile has gone with Idealistic, and still has questions about his Faith, I think you're imposing your own views on the character instead of keeping consistent with what Emile has thought and believed in the past.

He was already excited and proud to have the opportunity to serve a term in the Dragon Guard as many Knights have done. Like, that was already the plan before all this Heresy happened.

It's just convenient that we have a place outside of Canton to go to at a time when we find ourselves in a position where we are a threat to both major contenders for power and authority in Canton.

We're already fighting beside the Queensmen after the vote, because stopping Agony is the right thing to do, but it does give us a stronger bargaining position to claim that we are genuinely interested in simply doing what is virtuous and best for the realm.

Words are cheap and oaths can be broken. But here and now, when a foe stands before us greater than our conflict in the past, we will not stand aside and let the Foe run rampant for fear of the cost once the battle is over.

You like to toss around the insult copper clipper. To denigrate wealth, as if it isn't an important tool as much as a Knights sword. Copper clipping is when you forget that it's a tool, when you prioritize what you can gain from your life over what you can do with it.

When you claim we should flee and leave Anarchy to reign free, you're clipping the copper of your soul.
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>>3945745
Yeah, I've spelt it like 5 different ways in my rant.

I'm more upset that people are going batshit about things instead of thinking about them.

Like the Reginae being evil for killing without mercy anyone who could release Anarchy.

Or wanting to somehow escape from the situation despite the fact that Craig already got away to the Faction and the Reginae is already chasing Damien as well. Not like we can abandon our Brother.

Or making wild leaps like

> Lord Alderauge is his whole bunch of plots at the moment, it appears he likely financed the slaving here if not elsewhere and seems interested in what was buried here even, why he sent us after our brother with his cryptic clue is very VERY strange.
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>>3945745
Who is Lord Alderauge

> ”It’s safer, if’n you don’t mind kissing the local lord’s boot in return for a little protection against the Snakefiends.” According to Tracker Jean, the Lord of Gabriel’s Gate claims dominion over a vast portion of land beyond the actual Montbrun borders. Though what he actually taxes and patrols extends no further than a days ride from the Gate. ”He’ll tax you down to your boots, but it’s a safe place to trade so plenty of my folk will risk it for the biscuit.”

>”You don’t seem to be a fan of his idea of security. Would you ever go back to Freetown, to this place you call home?” You ask, giving up on any attempt to keep track of this foreign woman’s bizarre phrases.

>”I miss the family of course, and the freedom to make something of yourself with your own sweat and grit. But…” Tracker Jean answers hesitantly. ”…I don’t know. Things are getting pretty bad out there. ‘Scuse me, I gotta go… check on the drag or something.”

> ”Saint Gabriel’s Gate… that’s House Alderauge.” Karlaus Rabe mutters. You learn from him that House Alderauge is probably the second-most powerful House in the Montbrun duchy, lesser only to House Montbrun itself. One-on-one House Alderauge can probably muster more troops, but they have far less allies at Court.

> ”Would Lord Alderauge be in league with the Vancewells?” From what your friend says, House Alderauge is already setting itself up as a rival to the Duke.

> ”Not likely.” Sir Rabe snorts. ”Saint Gabriel’s Gate is home to the largest chapterhouse of Törwatcher knights in the entire duchy. They protect the mountain passes and Pegasi with a religious fervour.”

So first let's put to rest any accusations that Alderauge is "financing the slave trade". First of all, you make money off of slaving. Second of all, we already know it's the Langlishmen's employer from a slip by the Langlishmen themselves

> ”Yes, yes. Il Contratto è Tutto. Hopefully we’ll see some action at last… I’m tired of having men go missing only to find them with throats slit or riddled with arrows days later. I want a proper battle, damn it!” Prima Russo nods along wearily, unhappy but resigned to carrying out his orders. ”Still… women and children? Mates and offspring? Whatever these ‘bestia’ call them. This all seems a bit… industrial? If our employer can’t pay us without dabbling in the slave trade how in the seven seas can he afford to remain D-”

>”Mind your tongue! These woods have ears… Our employer needs the males to help with the excavation. They’re close, apparently. We won’t be here long. In the meantime, this helps pay our bills and theirs.” Lazar, an unassuming man with no clear rank or status, speaks with an authoritative finality. ”Your objection is noted.”
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>>3945708
>Additionally Gilbern and the First Herald know our brother *is a witness* and should probably have been killed as well as the miners that Lord Gilbern killed to prevent them excavating Agony.

You are quite frankely reaching here, the text we came across regarding agony was ancient so the encounter with agony must have been as old if not older, and we have little idea of who actually killed the miner it could have been Alderauge or it could have been the Order reginae we simply do not have enough information about who killed the miners to keep a secret

>Insisting that we can stay a "free agent" and just walk away from all this is naive, and simply unrealistic.

Their is litreally nothing stopping us as of yet from getting out of this alive and incognito, provided we survive the fight Craig is more than likely dead for all purposes if he doesn't have the pit's own luck, even if he does we can likely change that, any trail we left behind in civilised Favallon points to us gallavanting into the woods for reasons unknown with no conclusive evidence that our party was up to anything beyond conjecture, you claim we have already dug ourselves into a hole we can't escape but I see no evidence of that, we still have a way out of things and our freedom its not naive or unrealistic you're just acting on an extremely negative outlook of things stretching for signs that things are worse then they are.

>>3945772
>ignores the fact that their cruelty isn't without purpose

which doesn't make their deed's anyless cruel or malign and frankely not worth siding with

>From the way we voted when the offer was made
>Seeing as how Emile has gone with Idealistic, and still has questions about his Faith, I think you're imposing your own views on the character instead of keeping consistent with what Emile has thought and believed in the past.

the offer was made and has not been actually accepted yet but considered, we're both in fairness imposing our vies on the character and thats the whole thing here we're two diffrent people coming from diffrent viewpoints about the issues at hands, you can not claim that your way is the right way anymore than I can, I see this idea of going to Carthaggi now more than ever to have severe questions around the worthwhileness of going their specifically because of the way this conspiracy has laid itself out as a major risk to Country, family and faith.

>When you claim we should flee and leave Anarchy to reign free, you're clipping the copper of your soul.
Okay I'll be clear here since you obviously have either forgotten or not actually read my post here >>3940950 in which I clarified that I'm not actually about running away from Anarchy but instead down for slaying it wicked righteously and THEN getting the hell out of dodge, words may be cheap but vows of duty and honour should not be forsaken even if it means foregoing our life.
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>>3946479
Well shit, this seems to provide a reason for why Alderauge would point us in the direction of our brother, they are in a very tenous power struggle with the Montbrune family, a struggle that is so hotly contested Montbrune is very likely resorting to slavery to maintain his position as duke.

this makes us a unwitting patsy for Alderauge to use to deal what might be a decisive blow to montbrune in their struggle
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>>3946479
>>3946557
I agree, Lord Alderauge interests here seen more in line with keeping an eye on the Duke's shaddy business for chance to undermine in court. I would not be surprise if the Order Reginae came to know about the miners directly or indirectly through him.
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>>3946579
Damien is a key witness to the crimes of the Order of Names. Alderauge would naturally keep him protected so he could bring him out at the right time to force an investigation.

After all, when people die they aren't just forgotten by everyone. In fact, I bet it often would have been more practical to mislead or buy off or threaten people.

Too much risk of killing the wrong person, or having someone start asking questions. Not too much of an issue if it's peasants who don't have the resources to pursue justice themselves, and don't have the information to put it together and see that a lot of people are dying all over the place.

That's why the Order Reginae has been pressuring and hounding Damien.

>>3946518
So no, I'm not "quite frankly reaching". The Order Reginae has wanted Damien for some time, and from our interactions with Sir Gilbert it sounds like he's been passively resisting their wishes. He even warned us that we should keep Damien away from him, because if he meets him he won't have any excuses left for not killing.

As for Craig, the dudes a forester. And also a traitor. He most likely just ran the fuck away into the forest, which getting around in is his literal job. I have no idea why, conversely, you would assume he had been killed.

> even if he does we can likely change that, any trail we left behind in civilised Favallon points to us gallavanting into the woods for reasons unknown with no conclusive evidence that our party was up to anything beyond conjecture,

Sorry, are you suggesting that we should try to catch up to an experienced forester in familiar territory and try to kill him? Or that we should murder him back in town, which he's probably well along the way to now? Never mind that you're implying we kill a man for politics, exactly the same as the Order Reginae is doing.

As for "reasons unknown leaving no conclusive evidence" Sir Gilbert already know that we're looking for our Brother. Also, who do you think put out the accusation of him working with Wytes in the first place? The Wytes, who are in the forest that we gallavanted into. The Wytes, who attacked the Langlish mercs and there's no hiding that.

Especially when they see the slave pens and realized that we released.

That's gonna make it hard for Gilbert to resist the pressure to exterminate the Wytes afterwards as he has been ordered to do by the Reginae.

> ,words may be cheap but vows of duty and honour should not be forsaken even if it means foregoing our life.

You mean like the oath Damien swore to the Wytes to fight beside them?


And where do you want to run? Damien was driven in the Wytes. Note that Alderauge didn't take him in himself. Deniability.
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>>3946579
Honestly I doubt it's a secret from the Faction and Reginae leaders that Alderauge is supporting the Wytes. That's quite probably why Vancewell killed Tailor, attempting to break the lines of communication between Alderauge and the Jays.

> I would not be surprise if the Order Reginae came to know about the miners directly or indirectly through him.

I think it's more likely that he had the Wytes working somewhat with the Order of Names to suppress the Faction. After all, Alderauges' power and responsibility lie at Caspian Gate so he has to maintain plausible deniability of not getting involved.

You'll note, Lord Alderauge IS powerful enough to get away with them knowing what he's doing but so long as they can't prove it they can't do anything.

Emile and Damien on the other hand . . . well, I feel it's telling that Alderauge arranged for Damien to find refuge with the Wyte band instead of taking him into his service outright.

Possibly to maintain his pretense of not being involved. Possibly because instead of having Damien be a loose end that had luckily discredited himself by associating with Rebels resulting in his reputation as a Noble and a witness of the Names . . crime isn't the right word, because it was legal, but atrocity works.

Anyways, if Alderauge HAD outright protected Damien and made the Reginae think he was going to support Damien as a witness, he quite likely would have been given a Name by the Order of Names and killed at all costs to prevent it.

Also, Alderauge is pretty much in a position to instantly reverse Damiens reputation if it's needed for him to have a witness. To reveal that he was in fact behind the Wytes and that they weren't rebels but instead patriots who surrendered everything in order to stop the excess of the Reginae. Or something like that. Combined with the support of the Prince who would have no reason not to limit the power of the Reginae, he could probably pull it off easily.

After all, even a noble with a prestigious and honorable if admittedly waning in power lineage was unable to withstand the Reginae's threat to kill him secretly for having simply been in the wrong place, how could men like the Wytes expect to remain alive within Canton.

At least that's how I would spin it, both raising the concern that the Reginae was willing to act against even the Nobility, who are the pillars of the Realm and justifying the Wytes complaints as expected since if even Nobles are rendered helpless what hope does a peasant have for justice to be done,

> Side note

The Names and Jays had an "understanding". Someone had to barter that. The Reginae is forcing the Names to get dirtier than necessary. Feels like they're preparing to shove all the blame onto the Names if they get called out, while their actions also isolate them from other power groups. Like Sir Alderauge. Also while forcing them to wipe out Alderauge's people despite them also opposing the Prince's Faction,
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>>3946518
Side note: I'm planning for the worst because if things somehow work out, fucking great. Maybe Alderauge will ride up out of fucking nowhere and turn out to be the leader of the Order of Chains and have the authority to tell Gilbern to refuse the Reginaes' orders as she is not the guardian of the Sons of Sin. Or something.

But if we plan for the worst, then if it happens we'll be prepared.

If Montesquie uses the freeing of the slaves as cause to force Gilbern to act against the Wytes, Damien is oathbound to stand with them.

If Craig survived and revealed that we were scouting the Factions camp, and that we then attacked in coordinated timing with the Queensmens assault, and if they are already suppressing the Wytes due to their association with Lord Alderauge to the point of assassinating his subordinates with extreme prejudice as Vancewell did,.

Vancewell, who we killed after finding his crime but quite frankly we pursued it with a zeal that's alien to decadent Nobles such as the Vancewells, Merchants in armor like the Hewitts, and haughty overlords like the Fallavon. Remember what lady Fallavon told us when we apologized for hurting her brother?

> . ”The people of this Duchy have a more, shall we say ‘romantic’ view of crimes of passion and acts borne out of love. So believe me when I say, if I suspected for a moment that your foolish harming of my beloved brother was anything other than unintentional… I would not hesitate to use every shred of influence at my disposal to utterly destroy you.”

And that we were warned about the Duke abusing his authority to subvert the law and that "If the Duke Fallavon wanted this interloper that had injured his heir imprisoned and put to death, trial or no, then our Romani knight was a long way from any help.".

So. Our brother has sided with rebels who are the catspaw of the Dukes rival. We killed the man he sent to assassinate Alderauge's man and prevented him from carrying out an even more important mission, for reasons that are alien to his beliefs. Then we crippled his son in a Tournament, and Lady Fallavons threat has a whole new context if it means that they were considering if we did in fact have some grudge or reason to cripple the Heir.

And now, when their big plan is getting all fucked up and looks to be at risk of losing them everything, we turned up there and struck at the rearguard of their forces.

Oh, and this is after a Langlishman paid Craig to try and kill us in the woods, and we survived, so even if Craig is dead they're gonna assume we killed him and we're gonna have to explain that.

Duke Fallavon doesn't even need proof, he just has to be suspicious enough.
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>>3946698
Once again, sorry there's a lot but it's half quotes from earlier.

Things are getting complicated. I wanted to wait until the end of the thread to discuss it.
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>>3946656
you are reaching because you are using supplementing your conclusions with non conclusive evidence, our brother is wanted is undisputiable but who killed the miners is still something we can answers conclusively, it could be Montbrun it could be the Order reginae or someone else we simply lack the information to do anything other than spin conjecture at the moment.

I think you're also misconstruing the ruthless nature of the Order reginae's suppression for an implication that our brother knows more than he does.


>As for Craig, the dudes a forester. And also a traitor. He most likely just ran the fuck away into the forest, which getting around in is his literal job. I have no idea why, conversely, you would assume he had been killed.

The man ran towards the Langlish camp he was most likely collected by them hoping to see his employer in their company, if he's alive he's in a cell or room here either waiting to be or being tortured for information and if he's not he's dead, if we manage to stumble onto him I'm saying death to him is one less.

>You mean like the oath Damien swore to the Wytes to fight beside them?
>And where do you want to run? Damien was driven in the Wytes.

Our Brothers vows are not ours and not particularly what I was talking about, I say hightail out of these woods back on the pilgrimage or towards home to drop our brother off, damien was driven by necessaity and a lack of Noble allies in a time where he was drawn into a conspiracy that has at least in relativity to his starting point calmed down from active pursuit to a passive watch for him.


>>3946698
You're assuming so much that we cannot be sure of, Craig could be dead or as good as if not another brigand survior in these woods, the Order of names almost certainly struck a deal with the order Reginae for their services in return to also allow them to struck further into the Favallon then they ever could hope to on their own to hunt Bluejays and other enemies of Favallon civilisation.

Vancewell is barely even related to anything tangiable yet, her plots against us if there are even any have been dashed best we can tell and our attempt to amend what we did enough to mend any construed ire we may have earned on the part of the duke even if we did not gain any favor.

In summary: Calm down, the worst is a long way off we should not be alarmed at whats at play currently merely alert and prepared for bumps on the road, we do not need to flee to Carthaggi, our role in things is still incognito and any political enemies we have like Vancewell are not at play in things now.

If we are to continue this please constrain yourself to one post, I know their is a lot of information to digest but half of what you end up talking about is not needed for the points you make



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