Your name is Shu, and on the table before you stretches a carefully-sculpted sheet of skin, small prods of bone raising sections to form a topographical map of the Fleshscape. To your right Gina’s tapping away at her phone, a duo of tangled nerves tethering her phone to her arm and table, both. A tap and a swipe with her delicate fingers on the softly glowing screen sends a shudder through the diorama, the scene shifting to depict a series of Hexane structures in one corner with a mountain opposite it. Given the scale of the map you know that there’s considerable distance between Silvis’ factory and the mountain where the West Proxy lab is nestled in, but you find the fact that they’re within line of sight to each other vaguely unsettling. Gina hands you her phone, a glance showing you the list she’s compiled of all the items of note your team and hers have discovered.“As I’m sure everyone here is aware, we have no shortage of options ahead of us.” You begin, scanning the assembled faces that watch you from across the table. "I’m going to quickly review what we’ve got, and I believe that Francine has some info regarding the Proxy Lab, when we get to that point. So, for starters, we’ll look at persons of note before moving on to what Gina, Julia, and Dorian made…thank you for this, by the way. Nicely done.”Julia gives you a meek smile while Dorian gives a proper bow, replete with a proud grin.“First up on the list of people we should be able to talk sense with is Madame Yurei, the Phantasmal Conduit.” You begin, starting to pace back and forth at the head of the table. “She says she has a plan to effectively create a Dream Daughter paradise within the Cord, which may or may not mesh with what we’re planning. While I don’t exactly agree with her methods as stated, we didn’t get much time to talk over the specifics of her plan, so meeting with her is a possibility if just to get some clarification and info about hacking the Cord, since her plan necessitates that.”“Now, Yurei’s been recruiting Daughters of note, and we have a few more to list.” You say, pausing your pacing to lock eyes with Gina. “Care to take it from here?”“With pleasure.” She replies, her eyes flickering with amethyst light as her mind links up with everyone present, yours included.~~~Previous Vein: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/3805827/Archive: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Body%20Horror%20QuestCharacter Abilities: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15ctgm_liaNO0e0B6zAcIUrmfDN0tWiXds3L4FvogI2M/edit#gid=0*UPDATED* Trypophilic Hive, Ver. 3: https://pastebin.com/bUWG6TNFRelics, Ver. 4: https://pastebin.com/c4J9mpPKDual Techs: https://pastebin.com/2jZ5ZhyxTwitter: https://twitter.com/bodyhorrorquest?lang=en
“So, there’s a couple of girls out there that we could try the old diplomacy check with, and they’re also probably on Yurei’s list if she’s as well-connected as can be inferred.” Gina starts, the flickering image of the Conduit’s hijacked body appearing in your mind’s eye from when you spoke with Yurei. “Amara’s tracking three Daughters that were all strong enough to cross the oceans to reach the Cord, and they’re all working solo, for now. They haven’t had any encounters with other Daughters since the Joyous Many started tracking them, so their overall state of mind is a little hard to pin down. So far, we have a punk girl who seems to be German and boasts a potent Skintalker-Generator Hybrid. Then there’s a girl who’s spoken a smattering of French and has done some things with a Calcite Armorer-Neuromancer Hybrid that’s…just weird. She’s kind of a trippy battle-mage, from what we can gather. Anyway, last of all there’s an Unnatural Predator Daughter that we assumed was an Amalgam at first given her size. Think about half the stature of the sad deer we fought in the swamp. Not sure where she hails from, but she’s cut through some pretty high-tier Amalgams like they’re nothing.”“Speaking of power, there’s also those two other Daughters Charon mentioned.” Rath chimes in, leaning on the table as her slender, yet muscular arms go taught. “The one with a buncha powers and the one with…nothing, apparently. We got a lead on them?”“Not yet, but with the number of Joyous that Amara has running around out there, it’s only a matter of time before we pick them up…then again, if we made a concerted effort to find them then I’m sure we could make pretty short work of it.” Comes the brunette’s reply. “Of the things that Mother freed in her mope-fest, I’m guessing they’ll be a lot harder to track than that trio of apocalyptic guardians that Charon alluded to. Couple that with the Barbers and the Amalgam…factory…thing that we have the coordinates to, then we’ve got a lot of potential growth on our plate in the near future.”“And what of our options that don’t involve potentially coming to blows with end-game level threats?” Dorian posits, clearly a little frazzled after the hunt’s nigh-constant fighting.“Well, we have three solid ones.” You reply, meeting the painter’s single electric blue eye. “We have the Altered Altar, that town that the others found when searching, and the Hexane Factory. Silvis’ old haunt should be fairly simple. No major defenses, and we have the technician who knows the place inside and out on hand so getting into the heart of it shouldn’t be difficult. Plus, there’s high odds of some Hexane tech stuffed in there, according to Gina’s notes...”You glance over at the good doctor, still a little groggy after her Choice.“…but it’s close to the Proxy Lab.” You say.(Continued)
>>3848955The older woman’s eyes snap to yours at the mention of the laboratory, and she stands a little straighter as you speak.“Francine…are you good to explain a little about your plan, now?” You offer, watching her wipe the sleep from her eyes after waking from her Choice.“I shall.” She replies, averting her eyes as she stares at the mountain on the table. “The lab in question belongs to Proxy Sigma, and will be as defended as most of West’s labs are…which is to say, not at all. From the last update I received before dropping of Prime’s grid it appears that most of the other Proxies possess considerable combat capabilities, so I’d originally intended to go in alone with some sob story about the Disassociated kicking me out, and then I would hit her with this.”Francine withdraws a small, helix-shaped device from her breast pocket, resembling a larger version of the device that she now wears in one ear.“This is a more…aggressive model of the empathic nullifier that I possess.” She explains, pocketing the device once your family’s gotten the chance to marvel at the curiously elegant design. “Once Sigma’s been temporarily incapacitated and cut off from the collective, I’ll have a small window with which to bring her to a Sparagmos Engine. From there I’ll initiate the mass deletion, hopefully before West Prime catches on to what I’m doing and isolates Sigma from the other to prevent the cascade.”She catches the subtle tilt of your head towards your own Engine, and just chuckles softly.“I haven't fiddled with your things without permission, Darling. Forges are one thing…Engines are quite another.” She says, folding her arms. “Should you decide you wish to follow through on my plan, then I would request your permission to examine it and make some minor tweaks to temporarily reverse the Engine’s reconstructive effects. What’s more, I do believe that the results of my Choice would make me an ideal candidate for infiltration, should you choose that route.”>>THE UNRAVELING SELF (Creation's Strings Augmentation): Francine now possesses the ability to disentangle her entire body and thread her very essence into an ally. While herself reduced to a mere 1 ACT, Francine bolsters the ally with one-half of her HEALTH and BIO totals, her full REGEN potential, and additional 1 ACT, and any resistances she may possess. However, this process takes a heavy toll on Francine's mind and body, requiring her to immediately disengage when combat ceases and rest for the remainder of the Vein.To have found the willingness to relinquish one's own being for the sake of another's aims...is this triumph, or tragedy? (HEALTH REGEN +100%, BIO REGEN +100%)(Continued)
>>3848957“I...I see. Alright, we’ll discuss it when we decide to make our move.” You relent, not entirely comfortable with the prospect of the Engine, to say nothing of the good doctor’s imminent self-destruction and unsettling new power. “Well, I think that’s that. Is there anything I’m forgetting?”“You know, t-there’s always Laoc, the t-town we heard about.” Julia chimes in, glancing over at the weary Dorian as she speaks. “It sounds r-really nice, from what Amara s-said. It would give us a change of s-scenery, and we could m-maybe get some more information about our list w-while we’re there.”She and Dorian share a look, with the young man giving her an appreciative smile. He’s brave, but you can also tell the day’s events have worn him down more than he’d ever admit out loud.“There’s also the Amalgam Factory!” Rath says, oblivious to Dorian’s exhaustion as she excitedly leans across the table towards you. “Charon said we might be able to crank out some cool Amalgams!”“*If* we can hijack it.” Gina adds, prompting a scowl from the red-head.“We gotta go meet the Ant Queen, too!” Amara reminds you, bouncing on her toes beside you. “We can’t keep royalty waiting, it’d be really rude!”Your hive itches, the curious sensation along the hexagonal plates of black chitin making you restless as you weigh the number of options ahead of you. With Francine rounding out your core family group to eight members, along with the sheer number of Joyous Many that Amara is able to manifest, you might be able to tackle several items at once, depending on how you play things.PLEASE SELECT YOUR TEAMS AND GOALS>>Go to the Proxy Lab, and establish a plan for approaching Sigma.>>Go to the town of Laoc for some possible rest and information-gathering.>>Meet with the Altered Altar and speak with Gemma’s shard.>>Investigate Silvis’ Factory and retrieve whatever Hexane items lie within.>>Meet with Yurei and discuss her offer in person. You have too many questions, and too few answers about her plan.>>Reach out to one of the three foreign Daughters being tracked by the Joyous Many.>>Hunt down the Barbers and see what they’re about. They’re dangerous, but so are you…and you may be able to make allies of them, yet.>>Hunt one of the three Unleashed Amalgams. You conquered gods before, but you’d like to know what you’re dealing with, here.>>Locate one of the two Released Daughters, as the unusual nature of their powers may shed light on aspects of the Crucible you can turn to your advantage.>>Go to the Amalgam Factory, and see what you can make with the resources there.>>Write-InYOU ARE IN CONTROL
(Gentlemen, voting shall remain open for the next two and a half hours to allow time to answer whatever questions you may have regarding the options presented. Instead of spending half the Vein conversing with your crew about what they’ve found, I believe this is a more elegant way of addressing your queries. It’s good to be back, and I hope your week is off to a good start.)(In other relevant news, Knowable Kadath is set to trigger for all allies save for November, so that vote will occur after you make your plans. Also, the Swarmling sheet has been updated with your two new Swarmling types.)(Finally, there are some questions from last Vein that I've take the time to address below, as they're quite pertinent to future events.)>>3816812>>Hey BHOP, as its come up a few times, is there any worry about using things like Recursive and similar abilities on Spiritus Constructs? would it split the dream daughters psyche up between all the versions of themselves, or would it be more like a 'hive' mentality, where one of the real dream daughter, aka the 'queen', controlling all the other instances of themselves? i see benefits to both, and drawbacks to both.(Dream Daughters make fewer sanity checks than Waking ones, manifesting multiple instances of Spiritus or making their forms recursive would put considerable strain on them, at least at Spiritus' current level.)>>3821771>>How many levels of resistance equals immunity, or is he running on a system where mechanically the two are entirely different?(One level halves the damage, two negates it, and three converts it to HEALTH. Levels four and higher shall remain hidden for now.)
>>3848971Good to be back, glad to be here. how's that pastebin of your thoughts for fan submitted contents going along?Also, ye gads. Francine's got a Martyrdom complex.
>>3848955>Punk German skintalker-generator hybrid.Well im interested in how her ability works at least. >Trippy french battle mageNeat i suppose.>Terrifying UP Daughter just wrecking shitHrm, honestly out of the three, she feels the most important. Both for her sake and ours. If shes friendly, we dont want her unnecessarily attacked due to her form, if she isn't, by UP standards and what we have seen, she is the most obvious problem among them.>Charons twoId say look for them, but as a side project over anything major for now.>>3848971glad to see this back BHOP!mind telling us a bit more about Laoc? i cant really remember being told anything about it.>>3848967Vote as of now;>Meet with Yurei and discuss her offer in person. You have too many questions, and too few answers about her plan.i honestly dont like the idea of sitting around with only half an idea of what she may be about. she could very well be a threat we need to warn others about.Team;>Gina, Rath, FrancineGina for defense against tricks, Rath for raw power, Francine to get her some outdoors experience. i actually wanted to go take down the lab, but i feel like we need more time with Francine first before we jump to her potentially committing suicide to take down the collective, aswell as actually get her accustomed to doing things out and about. shes been cooped up with the DOs for awhile, she may need to get her adventurers legs, as it was.
>>3848967>>3848981pfft, and i totally forgot to copy like half my vote.adding in;>Send Joyous Clones to find Charons two Daughters and the three super Amalgams, as we can at least.>Julia and Dorian are welcome to go visit Jaoc and gather info. >November and Amara can tag along with them, or stay home, unless they think theres a non combat oriented option on the list they wish to take together. with the Tank, of course.
>>3848976(It's coming along fairly well, and I'm planning to post it at the end of this Vein, mostly so I can take the time to address any specific questions the authors may have. If anything, it's made me realize that I'm garbage at reviews, but I've tried my best, for what it's worth.)>>3848981(Laoc is essentially a small, unassuming settlement that has a handful of Daughters that stay there, and is maonly used as a pass-through for info and the odd bounty board. While not nearly as populated as the Monastery or as famous as Golgotha, it nevertheless serves as a welcome respite to travelers...provided no one starts trouble, as the mayor trucks with no such silliness.)
>>3848971>Spritelings and RevlingsNice. Ramping up Spiritus constructs into juggernauts and a much better option for a chitinous stalwart modifier once we unlock that option.>>3848967>Meet with Yurei and discuss her offer in person. You have too many questions, and too few answers about her plan.>Shu, Gina, Rath, Francine>Meet with the Altered Altar and speak with Gemma’s shard.>Julia, Dorian, Amara, NovemberWe do have two full teams now. Unless there's something we think can be done safely with fewer teammates.
>>3848967>Visit the Ant Queen. Team: Shu, Amara, Dorian, NovemberWe need to do this as a personal first objective. We made a promise to the Ant Queen, we should keep it. Also, Amara's itching to visit them, and I don't want to come back and find out some daughter has annihilated the Ant Hill. We made first contact with a sentient Amalgam force, the queen offered us face-to-face diplomacy. And she's a ton of resources that we could use.
>>3848989well, as i put forth in the second bit, Dorian clearly needs a break and Julia clearly wanted to see Jaoc, so i was gonna let them check it out. we did put Dorian through hell back there, he was the champ of both fights honestly, let him rest. the Gemma shard can wait honestly.>>3848987alright, thanks. seems like a nice enough place.>>3848971wait, one level of resistance HALVEs damage and it only takes TWO for immunity, with THREE fucking being healing? holy shit, thats waaay more potent than i thought it was, im gonna have to go balance the ever loving shit out of the Pepperbox Gang, i thought they were insanely less potent than that. >>3848992we cant, and theres a reason BHOP left it off the list. we promised to igve the ant Queen time, and she would contact US when SHE was ready. it would be going against our word to be impairment and not give her the time she requested.
>>3848987>>3848995that is, im assuming, why the left the Queen Ant option off, no?
>>3848997>>3848992(This is why I left it off the list, yes. However, you won't be waiting too terribly long for an answer.)
>>3848967>Meet with Yurei and discuss her offer in person. You have too many questions, and too few answers about her plan.>Gina, Rath Francine>>3848987>If anything, it's made me realize that I'm garbage at reviews,It cant be that bad>>3848971So we can maybe get them to split at later levels.... definetly an interesting possibility if we can manage to make it so they are not in there but are mor of a remote control unitAnd i will ahve to rebalance one ability i was working on........ Bu that is insanely good...If it is not to much of a spoiler but do even higher levels of resistance grant resistance to resistance penetrating effects?>>3848992I was under the impression that the Queen would contact us if she was ready to talk. Thats why we left our ambassadors with her. Wasnt it like that?
>>3848995>>3849001Ah. Well that makes sense. I'll go change my vote.
>>3848967>"Amara, it's too early to see the Ant Queen right now. She said she'll call us when she's ready. We can't be too impatient, it would look rude on our part if we go see her when she's not ready to roll out the royal carpet. Besides, wouldn't it be better to see the Queen when she's ready and her royal procession at her finest? She would like to look her best too! You wouldn't want the Ant queen to send out a messenger and have her drag you to her throne room while you still had bed head and in your nightgown instead of your best and fanciest dress do you?">>3849001Bhop, When's the Disassociated Rocket Launch?
>>3849012(Roughly 4 days from now.)
>>3849016BHOP, you said Silvis Factory and the Lab were 'within sight of eachother but far apart'. how long a distance travel is the separation? a few hours? days? it feels obvious West was probably studying it but unless theres a reason to put the lab so far away we dont know about, too long a distance wouldn't make much sense if she was there to study them, even if just as a side project. also will decide if we can actually consider hitting both together when it comes time too.
>>3848967>>Write-In>"No, Amara, we're waiting on the Ant Queen, not the other way around. She wants to come out and talk to us in person, but she's grown too big to fit through the tunnels, so she's having her family widen them. We're going to have a big fancy meeting, not just calling on her in her royal chambers. It's going to be fun. She'll call us when she's ready, let's leave her until then so she doesn't feel pressured to rush. And of course I'll bring you to come meet her when I go, don't worry about that for a moment.">Bring Rath, Gina and Francine to speak with Yurei. Francine for technical advisement, Gina for her own expertise in neuromancy and protecting against any mind whammies, Rath because she's very sensible and asks good questions and because if things go bad she can turn into a thermonuclear firestorm.>The rest of the party go to Laoc. Take in the sights, meet the people, try to relax a bit. Can't be all relaxation, though, gather any information they can on our other objectives. Focus on the foreign Daughters and the local factions, they're the points of interest most likely to have rumors spreading about them. The Barbers, too, if they can find anything. >>3848971>(One level halves the damage, two negates it, and three converts it to HEALTH. Levels four and higher shall remain hidden for now.)Does Shu get to count both the Matriarch's Stoicism and Chitinous Stalwart resistance levels if she's wearing platelings? Giving her two levels of heat and four levels of acid?>>3849016Aww yeah, space. I sure hope nothing attacks their rocket as it's launching. Maybe we should send some Joyous Many just to keep an eye on the area.
>>3848992>>3848967Changing my vote:>Write-in: Explain to Amara that the Ant Queen needs time. "Amara, it's too early to see the Ant Queen right now. She said she'll call us when she's ready. We can't be too impatient, it would look rude on our part if we go see her when she's not ready to roll out the royal carpet. Besides, wouldn't it be better to see the Queen when she's ready and her royal procession at her finest? She would like to look her best too! You wouldn't want the Ant queen to send out a messenger and have her drag you to her throne room while you still had bed head and in your nightgown instead of your best and fanciest dress do you?"Team A:>Shu, Francine, Gina, Rath.>Investigate Silvis’ Factory and retrieve whatever Hexane items lie within.or>Meet with Yurei and discuss her offer in person. You have too many questions, and too few answers about her plan.Team B:>Dorian, Julia, Amara, and November >Go to Laoc and explore that settlement. Drop subtle hints for them that we're setting up a shopping date for Dorian and Julia, while November acts as a Chaperone for Amara who gets 500% Bio in bio bucks as an allowance for shopping if she sees something she likes in the Laoc town market.
>>3849031(They're within two hours' travel on foot.)>>3849032(Regarding your resistance question; yes.)
>>3849032We should totally help defend the DO's rocket launch. I can't help but get the feeling that that AIR Amalgam might take the opportunity to attack the rocket on Launch Day.
>>3849035>(Regarding your resistance question; yes.)Excellent. We're fireproof in armor, that's great.
>>3849035oh, two hours isnt too bad. will be useful for later, to hit both, once Francines a bit more comfortable with herself and the party. and you know, hopefully doesn't want to kill herself to defeat West by then too. or maybe she'll learn to like us TOO much and wrap back around to wanting to sacrifice herself to increase the odds of it working or something.>>3849037i can see it, but thats for a later date. they also have their own defenses mind you, and id think anti-air would be a big part of it.
>>3849046They have anti-air, but they're gonna be vulnerable on the ground before the rocket attains lift-off.
>>3849051well id think they have ground defenses too. if big cannon lady is their only guard then they are way dumber than they seem. like i said anyways, im fine giving them aid, im just sure they have already thought of their vulnerabilities and have defenses prepared for whats to come. probably alot. you dont try to flee a LIVING death tourney and not be prepared for it to throw something heavy at you.
>>3849051I am pretty sure their method of liftoff will be enough defense together with whatever groundbased automated defenses they had established previously to keep at aby the monsters of the fleshscape long enough to get off the ground.And we can not get close enouhg to be off any help without being in the blast radius.They had thousands of members. Granted most of them in stasis and not all of them fighters but they should be gettign out all their military personel to guard them during their most sensitive time
>>3849060Yeah, the risk would be something attacking them before they're ready to take off, not during. They'll be on guard up until then, the best help we could provide would be the Many spotting something moving in and us being able to warn them.
>>3849057There's always going to be something that requires outside help. Given the nature of the setting, something WILL go wrong in the critical minutes before lift-off.>>3849060If no problems happen, then at the very least it would be a cool event to witness. Amara would love to see a Rocket Ship launch as a family outing event. Something more on the mundane/slice of life side. Maybe say goodbye to them with a Neuromancy call and sing "Little Einsteins".
>>3849065possibly but if they cant handle it on their own(minus maybe the new giant super amalgam), then they wont last long out on their own either. we cant be there to help and save everyone, just not possible. the DOs are big girls, they are smart and know what they're doing, they can handle themselves.>>3849035not to harp on you too badly, but the Relics sheet does need some additions when you can. the Bodyguard Sword, we now know what the two Jars do, and you did say Rath made... two(?) relics for the possible fight against Charon/to help November specifically that you did mention in shorthand but never fully posted. i think thats it. sorry if im being pushy i know you've been damn busy its just info that will probably come up either later today or early tomorrow that we would need.
>>3849065Sure it will be cool to see but we can not......Well we could be near it until just before the start and then teleport away. So we can go there sure. I totally forgot we have teleport>>3849062If they have enough processing power to get all this stuff ready(and they are Cyborgs so they probably are incapable off letting down their guard or stopping to do something sentimental) they have probably run tens of thousands of simulations and considered scenarios so out of this world that we can probably not imagine them.Also they have Cassandra who is much better at information gathering than we are. She probably knows about as much about the situation as we do, maybe even more and they will take precautions. You dont survive long if you are not ready for everyything or let your guard down to much
>>3849035Code: Vein is out. saw some gameplay and I can sum it up as "Dark Souls: Anime edition. Hotsprings and anime-tiddies included"
>>3849074(Hey, I appreciate the heads-up and reminder. It helps me stay on track, since things have been so busy I can't remember what I've done and what's still pending.)>>3849077(Ha, I've been meaning to find time to watch a playthrough now that it's out.)
>>3849075Well, the simulations would be limited by their available information, so "Ozmas let loose a bunch of apocalyptic kaiju" could surprise them because they wouldn't know said kaiju's capabilities. If it weren't for Cassandra, that is, I forgot how long-ranged her senses are. Yeah, they're probably fine, then. Still would like to be there when they launch, just to satisfy my paranoia. Or maybe be somewhere else, distracting the Crucible so that the sky membrane is less focused on shooting them down, that could also be a good use of our time.
>>3849089Well, if they're going to have a distraction unit to cover their launch they better have something equivalent to an EVA unit, because I can't imagine them fending off the kaiju amalgams without having a kaiju of their own.
>>3849094what? while not exactly the most direct way, we ourselves as just little people have basically taken down kaiju. id be more if they can squeeze out a high level daughters worth of power from their suits, not if they have something large enough. Rath herself single handedly punched a mountain over on her own for several turns. sure, it was more an ability than raw power that allowed that, but the point is the crucible doesn't require size to fight big things at all really.
>>3849094I dont think it would be to difficult for them to pull out a Warlord Titan or something like an EVA unit or super powerful weaponry powered by forgecores. Hell we dont need big. JUst something like a hield that repulses everything that comes cose and cna do so for maybe a couple minutes would be enough>>3849089Sure we can go to watch it. Should be interesting but we should probably be somewhere not even remotely close to not be hit by the blastwave or the fallout of the launch. But we still have four days.... so probably at least a month out of character
>>3849074>>3849075>>3849089Also, something that's been bothering me greatly since the last Vein. Gemma. It just feels like Gemma only acts on Shu's orders and expectations. And there's something unhinged about her since she's a shard of her whole self.
>>3849106i mean, maybe, but BHOP has confirmed dream daughters aren't really a threat to their host, so if your worry is for Julia im honestly very certain shes safe. as for her only going off Shus expectations, im unsure of that. if you read how she reacted to Shu saying 'talk to Julia about this' and 'we will take each Gemma individually on if they want to be absorbed or not', she clearly was unhappy with Shus take on things. she wide eyed shook her head no at first, clearly showing signs of... i almost want to say shock at our opinion on things. honestly id not be surprised if she lies about talking to Julia, and/or lies to Julia about our conversation. unsure on if she felt unhinged personally, felt sane enough for the Crucibles standards anyways.
>>3849106We will see with time and we will need to have a talk with Julia about her new headbuddy. Just to get all the sides of the picture. Gemma is probably a bit unhinged sure. But lets be real, who isnt in the crucible? Everyone has theri demons to contend with.. Except Kajun.
>>3849114It felt to me more like she was acting kind of desperate for Shu's approval because she knows we're the main decision-maker for the group and she really wants our help in reuniting the shards. So she came off as needy and eager to please because she's trying to convince us to go along with this, it's a great idea, just do as she says and everyone will prosper. To which we responded "yeah, that sounds cool, but it's not my body or dreamscape. Ask Julia about her opinion, too" and she deflated a bit because she was hoping she would just have to convince us. Sorry, Gemma, but we respect Julia's autonomy.
>>3849126maybe, but i still feel like it was more than that. her reaction once we didn't go along with it felt too drastic and didn't really feel like she was deflating, it felt like instead she felt like we slapped her in the face or something.
>>3849134>>3849126>Gemma will remember thisIt feels like a bad move on our part somehow.
>>3849185i disagree. if she cant agree to our terms and way of doing things, then we dont need to be helping her in the first place. her other shards for all intents and purposes are now individuals, and individuals have a right to choose their own path. she doesn't like that, than shes simply wrong. just because she has (arguably) good reasons to just want us to agree to her original plan, doesn't mean we have to agree with it or think its the right way to go about things either. plus, no offense to her, shes kinda dead. her very existence is tied to and just an addition to Julias. we really have no obligation to listen to her, as mean as it might sound, and she is in no position to expect us to out of our way for her. furthermore, she shouldn't expect her other shards to want to join with one thats just a dream daughter, and shouldn't be expecting us to just kill them for not wanting that and forcing it on them.mind you, i only think about maybe 1/4th of what i said she actually thinks, but still.
>>3848967"Amara, it's too early to see the Ant Queen right now.” You begin, taking a knee to bring you eye-level with your diminutive Skintalker. “She said she'll call us when she's ready. We can't be too impatient, it would look rude on our part if we go see her when she's not ready to roll out the royal carpet. Besides, wouldn't it be better to see the Queen when she's ready and her royal procession at her finest? She would like to look her best too! You wouldn't want the Ant queen to send out a messenger and have her drag you to her throne room while you still had bed head and in your nightgown instead of your best and fanciest dress do you?"Amara just listens intently, nodding emphatically at your analogy as you rise, turning to Dorian and Julia with your plan.“I’d like for the two of you, November, and Amara to scout Laoc, gather intelligence and see if they have any wares for sale. Information is going to be crucial in reaching and beating the Cord, so see what you can find.” You announce as November gives you a sharp nod. “Amara gets a biomass budget, if you all find anything worth bringing back to base.”Amara promptly thrusts her fists skyward in celebration, a quiet hiss of air being her exultation as you turn to address Gina, Rath, and Francine.“I’d like for you three to accompany me to Madame Yurei’s base. She wants to talk, and I’m in the mood to hear her out. Make sure you’re properly equipped before we head out in a few, and that you’ve got the Relics you need. Oh, and one last thing.” You’re reminded, thinking back to just before you woke to tell Amara the tale she so patiently waited for. “Knowable Kadath should have triggered for everyone, so your abilities will have grown. You should’ve seen the plateau, red sky, and all that, so what did everyone pick?”You’re met with a collection of curious expressions as your allies glance between each other as they shake their heads.“Yes, we all g-got stronger, but…p-plateau?” Julia asks as Dorian arches one eyebrow.“Yeah. I mean, I can’t speak for everyone, but I just made my pick and woke up.” Rath replies, glancing between you and Gina for confirmation. Your turn to the brunette by your side, and you’re met with a pair of concerned hazel eyes that flash with amethyst.“Huh…no, it looks like you’re the only one that saw that.” She murmurs, peeking into your memories at witnessing the vast, scarlet valleys that stretched before you in the dreamlands. Lightly shaking your head to rid yourself of your slight unease, you address your family to see the results of their choices and discuss the Relic situation before you leave for parts unknown.>>KNOWABLE KADATH: ACTIVATED>>PLEASE CHOOSE ONE ABILITY FOR EACH ALLY TO LEVEL-UPAND>>CHOOSE RELIC LOAD-OUT FOR THE YUREI TEAMYOU ARE IN CONTROL
(Gentlemen, voting shall remain open for the next two hours.)
>>3849212>Dorian: Resplendent Thread>Rath: Forgemistresses Fingers->We will rarely upgrade it so why not put extra points into it when we dont have to fight for them. Also it makes Relics cheaper in the future which will be nice for November>Gina: Virulent Pestilence->Would like ot see if the power gets even better with our status effects we can create>Amara: Queen Crimson-> Was totn between the Honor and Queen but i think the queen will be much better and bring us closer to any potential Hybrids>Julia: Carniverous Carver->Just making Julia deadlier with this ability seems like a good idea.>Francine: Hand of the Queen->I dont think we have anything else she can level up with knowledgable Kadath right now. Its a good ability anyway
>>3849212>Dorian; Resplendant Thread>Rath; Erupting Grasp>Julia; Elemental Digestion>Amara; Hunters Honor>Gina; Virulent Persistence>Francine; Hand of the Queenhonestly i think only Gina even has an actual choice here? RELIC LOADOUT;Shu;>Contender, Matrons Stoicism, Remembrance Whistle(), Consume the Book Relic, Gear on self.Rath;>Sui Tormentis, Deliverance of Ego, Adrenal Nail, Ignition Gauntlets, Gutgrab Daggers.Gina;>Sui Interitus, The Spine, Uzi( x3 Radiant Mags, x3 Shock Mags, x3 Acid Mags), Crimson Jesters.Francine;>Hydras Heart, Inspectors Spectacles.everything else can be left alone for now, unless anyone thinks we should give Francine the Cutis Tractus? she could use some defense and it might help if her Core has a limited range. id also like to point out Jaoc is probably going to be MUCH safer, but for all we know Yurei is the 'join or die' type. hopefully not but we might have to do at least some fighting with her, and heavier than Jaoc should be for sure.>>3849217can we get another rundown on those Relics Rath crafted while we were away?>>3849234i dont think Queen Crimson or Carver were cores, just abilities we got from people.
>>3849238But we have the Dreamdaughters for them dont we? It works with any ability trees we got from them as well as the Hybrids we made form tose trees. It does not have to be cores
>>3849238>>3849212ah fuck me its just not my damn day today.>Whistle load spell;>> RHO CUNT>>3849239BHOP said it only works with Cores though.
>>3849239>>3849240also, even if you were right, Queen Crimson came from someone we dont have the dream Daughter of, i think.
>>3849248Queen Crimson is actually from Sasha (the daughter who weaponized her tears) whom Amara consumed.
>>3849240Then the sheet with the Ability Descriptions is wrong. It says one can level up any of the skill trees ascotiaded wiht the daughter. Granted i did not have time to vote on the large level up with lepisma so i might have missed it there. But that should get fixed on the character sheet then. Otherwise it is just confusing>>3849248I think Queen Crimson was from that one humoral paladin that we had made a black fuzzbuzz racer when we got to know her in Amaras head. The one whose crew got ganked by November shelling the town. I just cant remember her name... Was is Sasha?
>>3849238on another note, anyone have ideas of who to give Gamma Pharynx to? its very specifically something that if we do use, it should probably stay on whoever we give it to. sure, it CAN be removed, but id not want to put anyone through said process of removing it. >>3849250could've sworn it was from someone else.
>>3849252Lets craft Surgeon General's Essentials first before we go about installing relics that have the whole soul-binding status. I would say Amara, but the Pharynx is basically dental bracers and Amara hates Dentists.
>>3849212Great, something special about Shu that made her visit the Plateau of Leng when no other party member did. That's not worrying at all. My guess is that the deep dive into the dreamscape that Knowable Kadath produces is causing Shu to access legacy code related to the Mother of All concept. Whatever it is, we'll find it on the other side of the plateau, dwelling within Kadath itself.Anyways, level ups!SHU>Ravenous MawDORIAN>Resplendent ThreadRATH>Indignant IgnitionJULIA>Carnivorous CarverAMARA>Queen CrimsonGINA>Virulent PersistenceFRANCINE>Hand of the Queen>>3849252>could've sworn it was from someone else.That's probably because it's a Humoral ability, and so shifted from Sasha's melancholic humor to Amara's sanguine. So you don't remember Sasha having Queen Crimson because in a sense she didn't.
>>3849251we'll have to ask BHOP as i could've sworn he said differently when asked. i agree there but clarification is needed yes. either BHOP misinterpreted a question, a question was seen as answered out of order by me, and/or, yes, BHOP has made mistakes in his wording before.i could be wrong on Queen though, for some reason i thought it came from one of her allies or another fight though.>>3849217BHOP mind clarifying?>>3849258i mean... why? all we have to do is not remove it, thats really not an issue. most relics we use on the same person all the time anyways. hardly a 'loss' to just decide who wants it or its good on and putting it on them.>>3849261Shu already had her level up so she doesn't get another. Rath cant do Ignition i dont think. even if it doesn't have to be a Core, nothing Hybridized into it came from a Dream Daughter. sure she has an Augment from one but that feels extremely iffy for that to count, unless it only upgrades the Augment.
>>3849265>Shu already had her level up so she doesn't get another. Oh, did we already mark hers down? Didn't realize.>Rath cant do Ignition i dont think. even if it doesn't have to be a Core, nothing Hybridized into it came from a Dream Daughter. I'm fairly certain that Phantom Limb was Hera's Core. It might have been Hundred-Handed, but we know that Dream Daughters wind up with whoever consumes the Core (even without the Arbiter's Appetite, that just guarantees you can eat the Core) so I'd assume it's Phantom Limb. Unless Hera actually had a third arm-based power that was her Core, which I guess isn't out of the realm of possibility.
>>3849238Why the Adrenal Nail? We can't recover that once it's nailed into Rath. That's a relic that permanantly binds itself on equipping.
>>3849269It was in the last vein so kind of far back for usBut Shu has Hera in her head so Rath cant acess her..... unless we can skirt that line with our Neurotic Halo Network
>>3849269actually before we had Appeties some abilities, even cores, would alter themselves to whoever takes them. shame honestly we dont have that anymore, so you could be right on Phantom.though honestly hers didnt appear to work like Shus or Raths version, and Raths actually feels a little off cosmetically at least for Rath, but fair point.>>3849271i think its a good fit for Rath. that, and can it not be removed? i mea, fair enough thinking on it i see your point, its just it doesn't say it cant, unlike other Relics that specifically say if they cannot be removed. i mean, who else would we give it to? cant see anyone else it would work better on, or who would be ok with having it in themselves than Rath.i guess she can wear it as an earring if you're that worried.
>>3849276what? Hera is in Raths head.heres the list i have saved;SHU: Holly / Uzu / JohannaRATH: Hera / Niku / SilvisJULIA: Penny / Gemma / MulvathDORIAN: VulthaAMARA: Sasha / Heather / Heather / Samantha / Tammy /Julie / Sarah / CherumGINA: Eloise / Kosi / Meg / BellaFRANCINE: Lepismano idea where the Soroitas stops for Amara honestly, shouldve marked that better as im shit with names.
>>3849277>i think its a good fit for Rath. that, and can it not be removed?It can be. I think they're confusing it with a similar Relic we pulled off of Johanna's corpse, which bonded permanently. We traded that away, though, got the Bio that went into making the Sui Tormentis.
>>3849281Huh okay... My mistake. its kinda difficult to keep track of them all without that list(especially since that point is kinda moot since they seem to jump around through our Neurotic Network if it pleases them ). I should write that list down myself. Thank you.
>>3849285no problem. i also have a list for Party Class types for crafting, though need to update Francine's.also still have the rarity ranking list for Classes, which BHOP said was pretty close to actual rankings, though i do wonder if some need to be moved a place or two around now.
>>3849277Take what I said >>3849271 with a grain of salt. Because I swear I remember that Bhop said the Nail perma-binds upon equipping.That said, I'm thinking that Stitching stilettos, and Surgeon General's Essentials should be made.>>3849212Kadath>Dorian: Resplendent Thread>Amara: Hunter's HonorVerurteilung is at an awkward spot in her kit. >Julia: Carnivorus Carver>Francine: Hand of the queen>Rath: Forgemistress Fingers>Gina: Virulent PersistenceLoadout>Shu: Matron's Stoicism, Contender, Remembrance Whistle, Escher's gear, Consume the Pandoric Script.>Rath: Sui Tormentis, Deliverance of Ego, Ignition Gauntlets, Spear of Dainsleif>Gina: The Spine, Uzi( x2 Radiant Mags, x2 Shock Mags, x2 Frost mags, x2 Normal mags), Crimson Jester's Mask, Sui Interitus,>Francine: Hydra's Heart, Inspector's Spectacles, Cutis Tractus, GutGrab Daggers.Bhop, did November take the time to repair the armor damage from the Silverfish fight or does she still bear Shu's patch repair job?
>>3849265(The wording was confusing, I apologize. Essentially, Kadath would not work only one abilities that yoyve acquired from sources that are not Daughter-related, such as those you acquired from Amalgams and the like. That was the original intention, at least.)>>3849319(The Nail does bond permanently, yes. Also, November has completed her repairs and is now as good as new.)
>>3849212>>CHOOSE RELIC LOAD-OUT FOR THE YUREI TEAMSHU>Hexane Contender, Matron's Stoicism, Remembrance Whistle loaded with RHO CUNT, Escher's Gear (give spoke to other party), bring Book and Augment-upgrading Juice but don't consume yetThat last part because Yurei pays people just to listen to her pitch, and while we don't need one of the benefits she offers (the use of a fully-unlocked Sparagmos Engine), the other is use of a Tier Five Forge and I want to see if the Duplicate function (currently locked at our Forge's Tier) does allow for the reproduction of Relics. Making some extra copies of the Book and Augment Juice could be really good.RATH>Sui Tormentis, Deliverance of Ego, Ignition Gauntlets, Gutgrab DaggersI don't think the Nail is that worth it for Rath. It gives a tiny damage boost and an okay movement boost, but at the cost of halving her Health regen. Given the Sui Tormentis, it's probably more effective to just use that 105% more Health per turn to turn into Tormentis damage and speed boosts.GINA>Cutis Tractus, The Spine, Crimson Jester's MasqueI figure that with Gladiatorial Swarm, Cutis Tractus is a bit more useful for Gina right now than Sui Interitus.FRANCINE>Inspector's Spectacles, Hydra's Heart, Sui Interitus Let's give Francine a bit of durability, seeing as she's currently got the lowest Health out of the party. Doing pretty good given that she has the fewest levels, though. Benefits of all her level ups being Arbiter-boosted, I guess. Also, do we think it's worth it to spawn a Spiritus before we head out, or are we still not comfortable manifesting our Dream Daughters at the skill's current level?
>>3849319i still think the Daggers will work better for Rath. shes all about punching, the spear get in the way of that. both the Gauntlets and Daggers can be in extra arms and dont impede on her melee range focus, but the spear simply isn't meant to be used that close, its a weapon made to allow melee at a safe distance, which Rath doesn't need nor does it fit her fighting style.as for Crafting, im against it right now. if we get into a fight at Yureis place, we're gonna need all the stats we can get.>>3849322i really dont think Cutis Tractus is the best fit for Gina honestly. Gina actually has some good abilities to use up close, which the Sui Interitus would help we get in and out faster and help those abilities, but she doesn't actually has no reason for Cutis reach and it would slow her down considerably. meanwhile Francine literally simply does not have the stats or abilities for being up close or even a hit and runner, which is what the Sui Interitus is better at, its honestly wasted on her. she at least could use Hand of the Queen through Cutis Tractus, if you really want to give her Armor.
>>3849319also the Gutgrab daggers are absolutely wasted on Francine, she should never be close to anyone or want anyone to stay close to her. shes still way too weak to be on the frontlines like that.
>>3849321Thanks for the clarification>>3849331Point. I'll go with your loadout vote here >>3849238 in exchange that you remove the Nail, I'm fine with Carrying it with us, and doing a combat equip for the sudden burst in power, but I'm uncomfortable with the halving of the hp regen. Installing the nail into Rath means we cap down her pretty impressive 210% hp regen down to half her potential maximum regen (105% hp regen) which goes against Font of suffering that we got off of Isabelle. Font of suffering is designed to work best with High amounts of Hp regen. We need a good hp and bio regen to act as a buffer against the damage she gets and the mandatory 20% hp burn.
>>3849337i kinda disagree. we usually keep her in Ignition mode anyways and in that she has no Health Regen anyways. sure with that it lowers her Bio Regen in that form a bit, but she never has actually had the biggest issue with Bio in the first place. maybe if fights lasted longer but they never really have lasted long enough to need to pull back on Ignition. plus, id imagine thats 10% of her max strength, not just another 10% like if it was stat increases. thats not a small amount, considering her other abilities.
>>3849319>>3849212Changing by loadout vote to support >>3849238But also give Francine Cutis Tractis.Question: Should we make another Hum-bee Hivecraft when traveling to Yurei's base (the Car made out of Bees)? I remember the base components require Shu's Hive bugs as the Chassis and wheels, with Rath providing the Engine, suspension, and seatbelts, and Neuromancy for the Radio, handling, brakes, and navigation systems.
>>3849358i mean, if necessary, but id prefer if we just got the old one back... assuming someone hasn't rightfully stolen it. to be fair, if i found a humvee just abandoned randomly in the fleshscape, after i made sure it wasn't a trap, id probably take it too. or was it technically a family tech, and thus basically inert biomass without us? to be fair, thats still alot of raw biomass to pilfer or hijack though.
>>3849367if it's made out of Shu's biomass and part of a family tech, can't we just activate it remotely and have it drive its way back to us on Autopilot?
>>3849377i dont think it works that way, only because we haven't had the option before and have mentioned wanting to retrieve it before.
>>3849345Maybe if the 10% was multiplicative instead of additive, but I'd want confirmation on that. Otherwise it seems like a bad choice for Rath. Better to just have another 105% Health per turn to spend on Sui Tormentis.
>>3849460id hope so, because i do agree i just cant see it being a measly 10 extra damage for half your health regen.
>>3849460>>3849345fucking hell. I come back to make another case of not installing the nail into Rath but find out the voting's closed. Part of Rath's strength with having 210% hp regen is that the Armor allows her to ramp up in strength, defense, and speed by burning her hp regen's worth in stats for a four-fold increase in temporary stats for a short period of time while the suit is equipped as well as staying up longer to fight. The Nail basically cuts down the amount of stats we can safely play with in combat, makes it harder for Rath to bounce back from a crippling blow if she does get hit with one, and slows down the speed in which Rath can ramp up those stat boosts with the Armor.>>3849321Bhop. We need confirmation on this. what factor does the Adrenal Nail ramp up the wearer's strength speed, and melee damage output? Is it 10% of their maximum strength? Is it multiplicative? or is it additive?
>>3849493(It's multiplicative, which makes the use of multiple Nails utterly devastating in the right hands.)
>>3849493if its 10% of her total damage id still argue its a good trade off, as thats 10% of all her combined strength/damage, not just the suits. i guess it depends on just how the Auits itself is actually calculated, though mind you thats just raw strength, not raw damage. if its 10% extra of all damage she deals once combined into its final number, not just 10 extra damage, then i still very much think its worth it. also depends on how much strength translates into damage. really, this feels less like either side is wrong, and more like neither side can be right because we simply are too in the dark on this one in how the system works. both sides have to make assumptions, massive ones, ill admit to that at least.
>>3849502>>3849503>>3849493well there we go. still leaves questions but 10% extra damage on Rath sounds like a death sentence already with how many sources she still has to boost her raw strength.
(Gentlemen, work is aflame as usual. I'll post when I can, and thank you for your patience. Also, regarding Amara; there is a split between Queen and Hunter, if I'm not mistaken. If there are any last-minute changes, I'll accept them in the interim.)
>>3849509sorry works being work, hope its at least not too stressful.guess we have something to talk about at least. Hunters feels like it simply needs some love to be more viable on Amara, is my argument, while Queen is already perfectly good where it is. plus, if we want to go IC, id think Amara would pick ninja powers over a blood net, especially as she seems more interested in Cherum over... Sarah(?). sorry Sarah im sure Amara likes you but its hard to compete with an alien ninja whos playing hard to get.
>>3849509..... so work is burning again..... Well dont push yourself to hardJust to make this go over without any big hustle or problems i will change my vote for Amara from Queen Crimson in this post >>3849234to Hunters Honor.....This is to early to start mulling it over or starting to scream at each other. And i am not interested in starting my vacation with a massive argument>>3849518Her Name is Sahsa.....And i think the prospect of Crimson becoming ever more "aware" is also something Amara could be interested in. Another buddy to hang out with.But the Alien Ninja Argument is good as well
>>3849518>>3849533>Sahsa>Sarah(?)It's Sasha. We have time to browse the previous veins. I wonder if Chuerem asked the other dream daughters about Ninjas, Amara's got the most dream daughters crammed inside her soul after all.Amara's become a Magical girl with a voice that can channel the world, shout fus roh dah and have it work, has a Crimson Stand as well as a guardian Bee, an army of hollow clones, wears a cloak of invisibility, while channeling the weeb with a bone Japanese sword. the amount of meme levels our daughter has become a conduit of is ridiculous.
>>3849509Sorry to hear that, BHOP. As always, we'll wait, it's worth it.As for which one to upgrade on Amara, I guess I'm fine with upgrading Hunter's Honor. I'd prefer Queen Crimson just because I'd like to give Amara yet more defensive options, but maybe Hunter's Honor will give her some awesome parrying abilities. And as >>3849518 says, Amara would want to play with the alien ninja. Though I'd like to think that Amara is managing to rope all her dream Daughters into the game (though that's not really a challenge with the Sororitas), so Sasha is playing too. And commiserating with Cheruem on the sides, going "yeah, I just don't know if we can keep up with these kids, thank god there's a normal adult here, alien ninja museum guard".
>>3849540Dont forgot that we also gave her an ability that makes her harder to kill as long as her friends are nearby. She is also a catgirl I think we are only missing the giant robot and we have covered every mayor trope
>>3849545I think November qualifies for that.
>>3849552I was thinking more a giant robot for Amara to pilot when she becomes an angsty teenager to contemplate the meaning of life in while fighting alien monstrositys or other humans
>>3849533hey man ive already said im shit with names and Amara has 3 gals with 'Sa' names in her head, two of which are similar. otherwise, just as a point of discussion, i dont think Crimsons really sentient or gonna become sentient. doesn't fit the class or really its description so far, more like an automated system than an actual thinking... blob of blood. would need neuromancy or phantasmal in there to really get sentience. though Amara making her blood tentacles into a friend does sound like her, im just saying i dont think it will happen on its own.>>3849540well, i mean technically, but the Soroitas still count as one mechanically. which seems a bit odd, but the Crucible seems to not be very good when it comes to the mental workings of humanity, so im not surprised either.>>3849541at least being an alien mall cop means Cherum is probably used to rounding up noisy buddlings. that, or she wasn't, and this is basically living hell for her.
>>3849545Well...November is a robot, but the "piloting" part of the giant Super robot genre needs work, then again November is a Daughter gemstone inside a robot body. It's a shame she's running on construct rules so we can't really consume her to save her core data.
>>3849555Ah, I was thinking more a Giant Robo sort of thing where the robot is the kid's friend whose shoulder they ride on. If we want her to pilot the mecha, I'm sure Rath will have made several by the time Amara is old enough to be an angsty teen mecha pilot. Francine will have been roped into it, ostensibly against her will, but when reminded that she's the one who made all the super robot cyber-frames she'll admit that she actually is really into Gundam.>>3849557>at least being an alien mall cop means Cherum is probably used to rounding up noisy buddlings. that, or she wasn't, and this is basically living hell for her.She seemed pretty offput by the "sassy lost budling", so I'm guessing she doesn't have experience. Probably was some upscale cultural museum that kids don't frequent, even on field trips. If the Hexane educational system even had field trips for budlings.
>>3849566if the Hexxane did not let buddlings enjoy the joy of museums then they are the most evil race to ever have existed. but fair i guess it could be a more 'sophisticated' museum, though id argue no mainline museum should be to such a level that kids would not be allowed in. kids are the ones who need to learn the most afterall.
>>3849574Well considering how they reproduce (basically make a budling version of themselves asexually with all previous knowledge intact, the old one fucks off and dies), their society would make their museums more tailored to accommodate it.
>>3849579i dont think it was said all previous knowledge was left intact. it was implied they still had to learn about their ancestors and their work, which wouldn't be necessary with knowledge transferring. its also a point to make where full knowledge transferring would not allow for a new personality to form, which it is a case where each buddling is still a new person. er, hexxane. odd question, but what 'age' are buddlings born at? are they babies like human babies, or do they start more developed? do they get to attend their parents suicide party? imagine growing up with your first memories being your 'parent' having a wicked party then blowing their brains out at the end.
>>3849212GINA – LEVEL UP>>VIRULENT PESTILENCE (Lvl 3): Gina now possesses the potent ability to temporarily double the attack, defense, and critical bonuses granted by a given Relic or ability, with this power able to be triggered once per combat and lasting for the next three turns. This bonus also applies to any levels of Resistance that the individual Relic or ability currently grants. (HEALTH +60%, BIO +60%)RATH – LEVEL UP>>FORGEMISTRESS’ FINGERS (Lvl 3): From the heart of the artist pours that which brings life. Rath no longer has to spend 1.5x HEALTH for it to count as a wildcard Forge material, and is instead able to use her own HEALTH reserves on a 1-to-1 BIO basis to pay for crafting new Relics. Additionally, the chance of a created Relic emerging from the Forge at a higher tier has been increased by an additional 10%. (BIO +30%)JULIA – LEVEL UP>>CARNIVOROUS CARVER (Lvl 3): Savagery knows no bounds, as when any ally or foe is downed in combat, Julia is now automatically granted a temporary ACT that she may use on her upcoming turn. Additionally, if it was a foe that was downed then Julia also gains a 30% bonus to her base attack damage, CRITICAL HIT chance, and CRITICAL DAMAGE until the end of her next turn. If it was an ally, then Julia gains a 30% defense bonus, in addition to a heightened critical hit and severing resistance until the end of her next turn. Finally, these bonuses stack. (HEALTH +40%, BIO +40%, HEALTH REGEN +20%)DORIAN – LEVEL UP>>RESPLENDENT THREAD (Lvl 3): Silvis’ Core ability now boasts a stacking 5% bonus to limb severing for every attack inflicted against a single target during combat, as the Threads actively shift and change to better adapt themselves to robbing their target of their extremities. Though the bonus is removed when a limb is severed, it’s a small price to pay for a prudent butcher. (HEALTH +40%, BIO +20%)AMARA – LEVEL UP>>HUNTER’S HONOR (Lvl 3): Still as water, sharp as glass. When Amara manifests her before combat is initiated, then she automatically begins combat with a charge stack of five, ready to be unleashed upon her unsuspecting and unfortunate foes. (HEALTH + 50%, BIO +40%)FRANCINE – LEVEL UP>>HAND OF THE QUEEN (Lvl 3): How quickly idle curiosity can turn to hateful action. As a free action, Francine may now convert any CURIOSITY stacks a foe possesses into CRUELTY stacks, which stop Francine’s use of her foe’s abilities. In exchange, CRUELTY is automatically consumed when Francine or an ally make an action against the target, with physical attacks having their damage and critical bonuses increased by 50%, and saving throws being made at disadvantage. Finally, while only one stack is removed per action, multiple stacks may be consumed per turn by different allies. (HEALTH +80%, BIO +80%)(Continued)
>>3849772You're able to get everyone outfitted in short order and with the coordinates you were gifted by Ivey, you, Gina, Rath, and Francine emerge from the waystation, your feet meeting obsidian tile that quickly turns to hardened calcite as you emerge into the foggy moor that stretches before you. In the distance looms a mist-veiled mansion, faded columns supporting the massive three-story archetecture whose dulled majesty seems at odds with the eerie coils of flesh that dot the grounds before it. The musty smell of molded leather hits you at the same time you muster the resolve to march forward to accept the Conduit's invitation. The stifling silence that settles around yoy alongside the choking humidity is broken when GG chuckles to herself before speaking."Yo, who ripped this fat vape? I'm trying to find my dead wife." Gina grumbles jokingly, and to your and GG's surprise Rath's the first to laugh."You know Silent Hill?" The brunette asks, stunned. "I though your upbringing would've frowned on that.""I was a Catholic, not a luddite." Rath fires back in mock offense. "I mean, I wouldn't have played them if one of my friends hadn't dared a bunch of us to play them at a sleepover when I was, like, fourteen. But yeah, I liked 'em."What follows is Gina launching into a discussion of the lore with Rath, and you just watch with a smile on your face as you listen to the two girls compare notes and theories as the mansion looms ever nearer as you trudge through Yurei's property. It's nice to see the two of them interacting like this outside of your influence, in an odd sort of way. It was different, when it was just you, GG, Rath, and B'ni. You were the thing they all revolved around, but now...you can see that even though you're the glue that binds them all together, they care about each other of their own volition, forming bonds on their own time.You catch Francine smiling too, a small, sad expression as her eyes stare at the earth she silently treads.Determination.It's the core emotion that pulses beneath the doctor's veins, a cold, clear resolve to see things through 'til the end. And yet beneath that focus there lurks a certain trepidation, a reluctance, or perhaps a co fusion that's crept into her heart in moments of quiet self-reflection. It's probably asking too much for someone like her to open up, especially given how cagey she's been up to this point, but still. In any case, you also have to wonder if staying focused wouldn't be your best course of action as the mansion looms ever higher on the moor.>>Strike up a conversation with Francine while you have a moment. (Write-In)>>Talk to Gina or Rath, while you have a second. You may not know much about the series, but you'd like to be a part of their discussion all the same.>>Stay silent and alert. You'd prefer to keep focused, even if your invitation seemed to come from a place of goodwill.>>Write-InYOU ARE IN CONTROL
(Gentlemen, thank you as always for your patience, and voting shall remain open for the next two hours.)
>>3849780>Stay silent and alert. You'd prefer to keep focused, even if your invitation seemed to come from a place of goodwill.Let Gina and Rath do their bonding and i am unsure its the right time to pry into Francine's mind, though that would be my second choice.
>>3849780>>Strike up a conversation with Francine while you have a moment. (Write-In)>"Hey Fran. How are you holding up. I take it the Choice went well. How was mother when she came to you. I take it she had a couple things to say.... about your choices. Mind sharing something? I would also like to hear you opinion on what our soon to be host has planned">Afterwards listen for any further topics Francine might wish to discuss or stay alert if she stays silent.We are probably being watched already. The moment we appeared we were probably on their radar. And they know theire turf. SO Amalgams are no problem and our soon to be host will at least want to speak with us instead of murdering us outrightOkay so Yurei really takes the whole spirit theme thing seriously. even her swamp is called the spirit swamp
>>3849780>What follows is Gina launching into a discussion of the lore with Rath, and you just watch with a smile on your face as you listen to the two girls compare notes and theories as the mansion looms ever nearer as you trudge through Yurei's property.Nerds. Though come on, this is obviously Death Stranding, not Silent Hill.> It's nice to see the two of them interacting like this outside of your influence, in an odd sort of way. It was different, when it was just you, GG, Rath, and B'ni. You were the thing they all revolved around, but now...you can see that even though you're the glue that binds them all together, they care about each other of their own volition, forming bonds on their own time.Yeah, that is something I like a lot about this quest, how the rest of the party members are forming their own relationships between each other. Personally, I'm expecting Dorian and November to become close simply due to proximity, for one reason or another we've had them together on a lot of tasks since November joined. Would be neat to have them become friends. They're both very dependable, serious people who nonetheless are capable of getting silly when they're off-duty, I think they'd enjoy spending time together. Of course, right now Dorian is busy bonding with Julia, while November has to babysit Amara. Which means Amara gets to bond with November instead. Have a nice time shopping with Aunt Heather, Amara.>>Stay silent and alert. You'd prefer to keep focused, even if your invitation seemed to come from a place of goodwill.Stay focused for now, we'll try to draw Francine farther out of her shell just as a natural process of her working with us rather than bringing it up directly. We'll probably be planning the lab raid once we're done here, we can bring up her worries while talking about taking down Sigma.
>>3849780>Strike up a conversation with Francine while you have a moment.>"How was the choice? Still struggling over the meaning of your personal goal to stop West?">"You wouldn't have that sad expression otherwise.">"Life's about the journey, not the destination. I figure that the same applies here in the Crucible."Even though I'm being outvoted, I would still like to have Francine warm up to us bit by bit. >>3849772Questions:Does Julia's Carnivous Carver temp-ACT boost work off of Constructs too? I find it weird yet fitting there's a set of Dorian and Julia's powers that allow them to cross over with each other. Julia can go on a rampage train through an army of constructs while Dorian can sharpen the razor wire to ludicrous degrees against a single opponent.>HUNTER’S HONOR (Lvl 3): Still as water, sharp as glass. When Amara manifests her before combat is initiated, then she automatically begins combat with a charge stack of five, ready to be unleashed upon her unsuspecting and unfortunate foes. (HEALTH + 50%, BIO +40%)I think there's a typo. You're missing a "weapon/blade" in the phrase "When Amara manifests her before combat is initiated"Bhop, I just realized. >Dr. West Sigma>Our plan to destroy the west collective is to implant a virus in a proxy and let it infect the collective by forcing a proxy to go maverick/rogue and have the virus infected rogue infect the entire network>The Sigma VirusThat's Megaman X reference if I ever saw one. >>3849820Or it could be that Julia and Amara go on a shopping spree while Dorian and November act as the parent/boyfriend overburdened by shopping bags.
>>3849820id still like to wait a bit before sending Francine after Sigma. its important, but not so important it cant wait a bit. Francine's still very clearly showings signs of wanting to sacrifice herself with the collective, and id like more time to let her think on that, through simply experiencing being with us. i doubt one outing will be enough to give her a true idea if she should stick around with us or not.
>>3849861You're not wrong, but I also don't want her to feel like we're stalling and stymieing her. I'd like to make gradual progression towards taking down Sigma, ideally. Keep working towards the goal, building up for an attack, and along the way getting her to think that she can do more good alive than dead.
>>3849870well, the 'issue' is besides maybe the engine it seems to not really be a 'build up' situation. seems like once we go for Sigma its actually gonna go down pretty quickly. not really much time to think or change her mind once we actually start it, from the sound of it.
>>3849870Well after the lab raid she is going to die in her own words. So we should probably have her tag along with us for a while more before moving on West. She is gonna need time to tweak her plan and get stronger so she can come with us and not be a liability in a fight with Sigma.I want her to know that if she truly wishes to change and not be West she can have a group of people that care about her and will support her. Which is why i want to ask her how she is doing and what her opinions are. We also have to give her a feeling of belonging and that she has valueWhile i think your suggestion of making gradual progress is a good start we also need to consider the human element. and if we dont start now then when?
>>3849876we start when Francine is ready, not us. trying to pry into peoples thoughts can easily instead push them further into their shell. let Francine get used to actually being with us first, before we go prying into her mind uninvited. shes literally spent her whole non-west life hold up in a lab in a place full of those who a bunch seem super half blind and oblivious, and probably super busy. just being around people who want her around for more than just business is probably a step shes still not used to, let alone opening up to them.
>>3849843(Carnivorous Carver's boost currently only works with full-fledged Daughters and Amalgams, but it will eventually get to that level.)(Indeed, that was a typo. My apologies!)(Finally, considering that Megaman is one of my favorite franchises, I couldn't pass up the reference.)
>>3849893The ice has to be broken somehow. We can either chip away at it a bit at a time or we sail an Icebreaker boat into the social-life that is Francine. We gotta start somewhere.
>>3849908and i disagree nows the time to do it or start.
>>3849780>>3849843Changing my vote to >Stay silent and alert. You'd prefer to keep focused, even if your invitation seemed to come from a place of goodwill.
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>>3849780Resolving to leave your two girls to their lore-heavy conversation and Francine to her own thoughts, your eyes scan your surroundings, a handful of Scoutlings wriggling free of your chitinous hexagonal plates before taking to the hazy skies. You have to admit that despite the eerie silence and uncomfortable humidity, there's something almost calming about the calm sense of placidity that permeates Yurei's property. It's a sensation that lasts all the way up to when you place your hand on the knob of the estate's massive double-doors, the pair swinging open simultaneously at the slightest touch to reveal a grand mezzanine.The mansion's interior is abuzz with activity, maids rushing to and fro in formal attire, with the odd casually-dressed Daughter seated in the immaculately upholstered furniture with some tea or beverage in hand. One of the women stops, approaching you with a lantern in hand, and it's then that you notice that despite the impressive lighting, candles are the sole source of illumination that you can see in the cavernous halls."Welcome to Madame Yurei's domicile. How may I assist you?" The maid questions primly, her eyes shut even as she regards you with her placid expression and waxen, jelly-like features."Shu and the Defiants." You reply coolly, glancing past her to meet the eyes of some of the waiting Daughters, who meet your gaze with the wide eyes of wary recognition. "Yurei invited us here to finish a discussion we started. When is she available? Seems we're not the only ones to be waiting on her.""You are quite correct." The maid replies with another stiff bow. "The Wise Madame is currently entertaining the audience of one of her honored guests, though I shall inform her that you have arrived. I am quite certain that she would like to move up your appointment, as she's been quite looking forward to speaking with you after the Barbers."(Continued)
>>3850129"Woah, what?" Rath breathes as a chills works its way down her spine. The maid merely gestures to the doors to either side of the hall."I welcome you to rest and partake in The Wise Madame's gifts." She continues, ignoring Rath's raised hackles. "We have a banquet hall to your right, and the library to the left. At the end of this hall lies the Forge and a wondrous Engine. You are invited to craft, should it please you. The Wise Madame's invitation surely included this as part of her offer.""That it did." You agree, feeling the Crimson Cord flare to life.<Barbers moved fast, they weren't even close to here when Amara was tracking them> Gina reports, her mind abuzz with possibilities. <Maybe they got the same offer you did?>[Maybe] You reply, nodding to the maid as she gives you one last, stiff bow before retreating back to her duties.The chance to meet the Barbers came earlier than you'd anticipated...but then again it's not unexpected, given Yurei's desire to assail the Cord with all the notable fighters she can muster. In any case, their presence certainly has Rath on high alert, though Gina and Francine seem to be keeping a level head about the group's proximity. After all, if you were to avoid anyone with a reputation, you'd never have befriended the Midnight Crew, and that'd have been a damn shame.Regardless of your reservations, there's a buffet, a Forge, and an Engine at your fingertips......may as well make the most of your time here.>>Examine the Forge and the Engine, first. Pleasure, then business.>>Check out the banquet hall...you're not sure what's on the menu, but it couldn't hurt to check.>>Sit a while and wait to speak with Yurei, steering clear of the Barbers for now.>>Speak with the Barbers when they're done, then meet with Yurei.>>Write-InYOU ARE IN CONTROL
(Gentlemen, I shall be pausing here for the evening. Voting shall remain open for the next thirteen hours, with posting to resume in roughly fourteen. Thank you for joining me for the 31st Vein, and I appreciate your time, patience, and participation as always. I hope you've had a good Monday, and I shall see you in the morning. Sleep well, one and all.)
>>3850135Thanks for running, BHOP. See you tomorrow.
>>3850135Good night OP I will be heading to bed as well..... its just to early in the morning. I willl vote later after i have woken up again
>>3850132So, our options. Examining the Forge and Engine should be interesting, just to see what Tier Five capabilities are and if her Engine is in any way different from ours. The banquet is probably not Daughter or Amalgam meat, that's a bit too much to give away for free, but probably preserved food from pre-Crucible which would be a delicacy at this point. Waiting is just waiting and doing nothing. Could be interesting to check in with the Barbers now when we have the chance. And as for write-ins, maybe checking the library could have information. Or just speaking with these maids. What are they? Are they Daughters that Yurei has hired, or just very advanced constructs? She is a Phantasmal Conduit, after all.
>>3850132>let your party decide, and simply follow them.>if they simply wander, follow Francine as first pick, unless someone specifically grabs for your attention.id like to wait on the forge and Engine. i mean, we dont need the engine, and while a Tier 5 Forge is wonderful, its business first, pleasure second. that and like ive said, if worse comes to shove, we're gonna need all our biomass and health potentially to get out of here. probably not from the look of things, but id rather not risk it. as for the banquet, while amalgam foods... fine i guess, we still have no actual need to eat. it also doesn't feel like its our place to interrogate her guests, and so i feel its not our place to talk to the Barbers here really. even if they aren't what their rep makes them seem like, still feels like a 'one conversation at a time' kinda scenario to me.
>>3850135have a good afternoon BHOP, thanks for running.>>3850165obviously see my post for a reply, bad timing i suppose with posting. but otherwise i disagree that waiting is a bad option. sometimes waiting is ok to do. worse case, if no ones does nothing, we get to talk to our team, and thats never not worth it.
>>3850132>Spawn 3-4 squads of Fuzzbuzzes: (Bumblebee Butler edition; black and white tuxedo patterned fur). Set it to 3-4 Fuzzbuzzes per squad have them browse the Banquet Hall buffet and deliver food/drinks for our family if they're hungry. Have one squad serve Gina and Rath, Have another squad serve Shu and Francine, and have the last squad pick out a few snacks/delicacies as souvenirs for Amara to snack upon. (at least two juice boxes/soda cans, preserved candybars if they have any, fresh fruit if they have any, and some finger-foods like hot dogs, chicken tenders, hamburgers, etc)Why lose the benefit of having to walk around to the various rooms when you have a hive full of Bees that can do our bidding? We can have Adorable Bumblebee butlers in tuxedo patterned fur mingling around the mansion!There's gotta be some comfort food that Francine craves from pre-crucible. She wouldn't have made her doctorates otherwise, we could use that to break the ice. And even though I'm spoiling Amara rotten with the food souvenirs, I have no regrets. >Spawn a Fuzzbuzz in "Bumblebee Butler" patterned fur, set it down on a chair in the Hall and have it hold a makeshift Calcite plate sign that reads: "Shake this Fuzzbuzz's hand if you have business with Shu, Fuzzbuzz will guide you.">Spawn another Fuzzbuzz in regular fur pattern and set it down on another chair in the Hall, have it hold a calcite sign plate that reads: "Petting this Fuzzbuzz is allowed.">let your family wander and decide for themselves. >Accompany Francine as your first pick, unless someone specifically grabs for your attention.
>>3850475While i dont dislike the idea it feels rude to flood the place with our own constructs when theres already servants running around. Makes it look like we don't think the host is capable, and also might interrupt their movement patterns. Plus it just looks rude as we just invade the place then respect no boundaries as we just treat someone elses home with little regard as if we own it.Also a swarm of constructs might not put other patrons at ease, some might not like us casually setting up to attack the place enmasse.
>>3850132>Tell everyone over the empathic channel: "Try and stay at least in groups of two if you decide to step away from the rest. Makes it easier to get us all back together once our host has time for us">Walk around a bit with your family and investigate whatever tickels their fancy. >Try and stay together with Francine unless someone tries to talk to youI would l,ike to say more but our hsot has probably quite a lot of surveilance equipment that might also be able to pick up our empathic comms chatter. She has to have at least some kind of security that is not readily apperant if she keeps such an open house
>>3850132>>3850167amending my vote to specifically exclude spawning ANY Fuzzbuzzes at all.
>>3851036>>3850475amending vote...>let your family wander and decide for themselves. >Accompany Francine as your first pick, unless someone specifically grabs for your attention.>>3851041must you be that passive aggressive?
>>3851053>>3850132Linking amended vote.
>>3851053>>3851041Forget that I asked.
>>3851053>>3851058i dont see how its passive aggressive. i disagree with the move, i gave my reasons why, we still disagreed, so im making sure my vote is for what i think is best.
>>3850475I propose that we call the tuxedo bees "FuzzButtlers".>>3850132>>>Write-In>Spawn some FuzzButtlers to browse the buffet for our party.>Go wander the mansion, try to spend some time with Francine if possible, if not gravitate towards the library.>Don't bother with the Fuzzbuttler alarm system, I'm sure Yurei's staff can just find us rapidly.Not too much different. I like sending the FuzzButtlers to get food, I just don't think we need to have one serve as a desk bell.
>>3850132Going with >>3850167. Also, as much as I love our FuzzBuzz, I also think it's not a good idea to create them without asking first. I'm happy to ask the staff if it's acceptable, but not so much forcing it upon them.
>>3851067FuzzButtlers doesnt really roll off the tongue very well. 'Fuzzlers' or 'Buzzlers' rings the bell much more smoothly.>>3851095yeah i mean theres already a waiting staff, we can just ask them for help instead of being rude and putting them out of their job.
>>3850135Franken Fran's back in a sequel called Franken Fran Frantic.Here's the link.https://mangakakalot.com/manga/cf920091
>>3850132“Let’s kill some time before she’s ready for us.” You say, voice low as you glance between the hall’s numerous doorways. “Don’t go too far, and stay in teams of two.”Rath and Francine both open their mouths to speak, pausing when they realize they’re about to trip over each other in their haste to do exactly what you assumed they’d do.“Let me guess…Forge and Engine?” You grin, pointing between the pair. Rath chuckles as Francine adjusts her gloves sheepishly, and the moment you wave them on down the hall they make haste to examine the devices that have so piqued their interests.“If somebody’d told me a couple of days ago that our Rath and a West proxy would be geeking out with each other over Fleshscape tech, I’ve have paralyzed them then and there.” Gina giggles, watching them until they round the corner and disappear from sight before turning to you with a bright smile. “Well, since you’re so good with guessing, where do you think I wanna go?”You make a show of tapping your chin with one finger as you ponder her question, eyes meeting hers with a sparkle.“The library.” You declare, rather surprised when Gina shakes her head.“Nope! I want to see what food they have here.” She says playfully. “Knowledge stays fresh, but I can’t say the same for whatever Yurei’s serving.”“Really?” You ask, incredulous. “You’d rather eat than read? Who are you, and what’ve you done with my Gina?”“*My* Gina, huh? I have to admit, I like the sound of that.” GG counters with a grin, putting her hands on her cocked hips as her grin turns to a suspicious scowl. “Then again…what are you trying to say? You saying I eat too much? Something wrong with my figure?”You feel your pulse quicken as you begin to stammer an explanation, and it’s then that Gina nearly doubles over with barely-suppressed laughter.“Shu, I’m just being a jerk. Come on, let’s go see the spread.” She says, looping her arm around yours as she leads you to the banquet hall. The smell of cooked meats and delectable treats hits you full-force when you and she step through the door, and you find you’re far from the only ones marveling at the vast array of foods on display, as much a show of power than a gesture of delicious goodwill.“Good God, I’m guessing this is all Amalgam-based stuff, but still.” GG murmurs, eyes alighting on a plate of thinly-sliced meat. “I mean, I know we don’t really *need* to eat anymore, but…jeez, this is just a treat for the senses, if anything.”“Something this elaborate, with this many guests…I wonder how long she’s been throwing this.” You muse, scanning a plate of small sausages tightly-wrapped in yet more meat. “I mean, she didn’t even give us a time to meet up with her, so how long has she been keeping this up…and how?”(Continued)
>>3851187You and Gina are so engrossed in examining the dizzying array of food available that neither of you notice the woman at your right until she speaks.“Glad ya’ came, Defiant.”You turn, coming face-to-chest with the woman that looms over you, sparkling eyes shining down at you past a few errant strands of blue hair.“Likewise, Ivey.” You greet, tearing your eyes away from the food to the woman before you. “How goes the search for candidates?”“Fair, given the turnout. I have to say though, you’re by far my best catch.” She grins, sharp teeth shining in the flickering candle light as she scans the room before settling her piercing gaze on the girl by your side. “You got no shortage of friends, I see.”“Girlfriend, actually.” Gina corrects with a smile, thrusting out her hand for a pointed handshake. “Gina. Charmed.”“You got some teeth on you, Gina.” Ivey says, taking her hand with a laugh. “I’d expect nothing less from someone that can keep up with the Defiant.”“So, what’re you doing off the hunt?” You ask, trying to diffuse the palpable tension between the two girls, which certainly isn’t helped when Ivey leans down to bring her lips close to your right ear.“Keeping an eye on certain rogue elements. Dessert table, cotton-candy hair. Can’t miss her.” Ivey whispers, and you find her target almost immediately. She’s a slender thing, a pale girl whose pale, glistening flesh looks almost like pulled taffy. Her short-cropped pink hair bounces lightly as she flits from plate to plate, piling her small platter high with all manner of sweets.“Blood Sugar, I’m guessing? From the Barbers.” You mutter, and Ivey gives a slight nod as she rises back to full height.“Aye. The other two are sitting with Yurei now, probably wrapping things up as we speak. Their Neuromancer’s scoping out the library, but this one here seemed a little jittery so thought I’d keep an eye. Seems that’s just how she is, though.” Ivey comments, keeping her voice light and at the same level as the general murmur of voices around you.“Anyone else here I should know about?” You ask, and Ivey just shrugs.“Alpha hasn’t shown, at least not yet. As far as anyone else I’m afraid I can’t say specifics, but the Barbers are the main ones of note.” She continues, glancing between your gaze and Gina’s level stare.<Their Neuromancer’s the only one that’s still unknown, right?> Gina asks across the Cord, her thoughts trying to focus despite her eyes trailing down the taller woman’s stomach. <Might be worth checking out, especially since she’s a Gemma shard>True...this might be a good opportunity to feel them out individually, while you have the chance.>>Speak with Ivey about her employer.>>Go talk to Sugar, and try to feel her out.>>Continue on to the library.>>Write-InYOU ARE IN CONTROL
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>>3851193>Speak with Ivey about her employer.>Ask her about the Barbers more too, if you have the time.>Ask Gina to see if she cant use her insight abilities on Blood Sugar, though making eye contact might be a bit awkward, it still might help to know how she thinks.while i do want to scope out the Barbers, we came here for a reason and its best to focus on that reason first and foremost. the Gemma shard is... well i still feel Gemma and her shards are a side quest, not even a secondary quest level. sorry Gemma not against helping you but even as far as non main objectives go i just dont think your shards rank as high on our list in terms of importance.
>>3851193>Ask Ivey: "Does Yurei mind if we take a few snacks and sweets as a souvenir? I've got an adorable little girl back home who would pout if I didn't.">if given approval, spawn some Fuzzbuzz Butlers, and have them pick out a choice few snacks and treats as souvenirs for Amara. Be careful on the dessert section though, Blood Sugar might be someone who hates having her sweets taken.>Have one of the fuzzbuzz butlers aid Blood Sugar in building her leaning tower of sweets until Blood Sugar either tells the FuzzBuzz Butler to start or has to start spending time trying to balance the towering plate of desserts than picking from the dessert table, if Blood Sugar tells it to stop, have it withdraw and return to Shu. >Wave and smile at Blood Sugar when she looks up to figure out where this bumblebee construct that's aiding her is coming from. That'll make her focus her focal attention at Shu while Gina can look into Blood Sugar's eyes for insight with Neuromancy in Blood Sugar's peripheral vision without making the exchange look awkward. Then>Continue on to the library.I wanna see who our Mystery Neuromancer is. We're making this look like we're just here for the food, then leaving.
>>3851242if we want to try and interact with Sugar, best to just talk to her, Rather then intrude on her personal space by putting bugs all over her food. we're right by the snack table we can just get the sweets ourselves. theres also probably some joke here about her being made of sugar and seeing bees coming after her. also my godforsaken dyslexic brain keeps making me spell sugar as surgar. otherwise Gina had her chance to go to the library, im kinda hoping Yuri will be available after this over more stuff.
Why do we need to get eye contact on Blood Sugar? That's Julia's thing. Gina just has to be looking at a person to establish a link, not look them in the eyes.
>>3851266good point. >>3851242>>3851193Amending my vote to just simply >Go talk to Sugar, and try to feel her out.Given that it's Blood Sugar, and that she's piling on a giant towering plate of sweets, she's probably a motor mouth with a very high blood sugar level coursing through her veins.
>>3851270nah, its eye contact based. Halo, level 4.>>3851271oh god shes gonna be annoying to converse with if it does come to that... all you did is confirm id prefer to just ask about the Barbers than talk to her.
>>3851273>nah, its eye contact based. Halo, level 4.Yeah, and that's redundant now that she has Neon Ascendant and can form Neuromantic links just by looking at people.
>>3851274no, its not, as they may have neuromancy protections, or be able to tell we are making a connection to them. it also might count as initiating combat to link with someone unwillingly, or she may interpret it as an unwanted hostile action, while the eyes are a much more passive ability made to go unnoticed.
>>3851275We're still rummaging around in another person's thoughts without their permission. That's going to be considered rude and potentially a hostile act if they spot it no matter which ability we use to do it. And while I suppose the lower-power signal might be stealthier (though Gina's established she can do decent stealth with Neon Ascendant), I can't see it being any better at getting past neuromantic protection. So it might not be completely redundant, but it's mostly redundant.
>>3851193>>Go talk to Sugar, and try to feel her out.>>Write-In>Use the excuse of hitting up the desert table ourselves, because we want to grab some treats for Amara.
>>3851281agree to heavily disagree. ones an active connection meant for combat and is done by forcing things out of her , the others passive that happens naturally and unforcefully, like looking through a window. literally supposed to be an 'eyes are a window to the soul' situation.
>>3851284Either way, Gina's reading someone's mind without consent. Whether she did that via guile or force, someone realizing she's doing it could still be offended. We should be careful with powers like this. Maybe leveling Neon Ascendant could get Gina some neuromantic stealth to make it harder to spot her reading minds, that would be neat.
>>3851290well, i do not wish to actively talk to Sugar as i feel getting info on Yurei is much more important, so as far as im concerned its the better way to learn something about her without wasting our time.
>>3851271>>3851242Changing my vote. Possibly for the last time before getting ready for work.>Ask Ivey: "Does Yurei mind if we take a few snacks and sweets as a souvenir? I've got an adorable little girl back home who would pout if I didn't.">if given approval, spawn some Fuzzbuzz Butlers, and have them pick out a choice few snacks and treats as souvenirs for Amara. Be careful on the dessert section though, Blood Sugar might be someone who hates having her sweets taken.>Continue on to the library.
wait, thinking about it, wasn't an Amara clone tracking the Barbers? where'd that run off to, or is she like, hiding in the swamp looking through the window with a little notepad writing down everything Sugar does or something?yes i know Amara has no need for her clones to write things down but its a cute mental image.
>>3851300forgot to link it again. >>3851193
>>3851294Yeah, I guess I'm more interested in Neuro-Gemma than Blood Sugar, if I'm being honest. I'd be fine with changing it.>>3851193>>Continue on to the library.>>Write-In>Grab some snacks for the road, first. Try not to nibble on them too much, leave some for our friends. Then thank Ivey for the heads up before we visit the library.>>3851303I think whatever they did to get to Yurei's manor so fast gave the Amara clone the slip.
>>3851312eh, as i said earlier we came here for a reason and it should come first, and Gemma honeslty in my opinion is a minor questline, not even a secondary.>I think whatever they did to get to Yurei's manor so fast gave the Amara clone the slip.that is the best case scenario for why she would no longer be tracking them yes. hopefully Sugar didnt have a snack before getting here.
>>3851317either that or they ganked the Amara clone without Amara knowing.
>>3851317Yeah, but we've got some time before Yurei's available to speak to us anyway. In fact, talking with the members of the Barbers not meeting with Yurei is a perfect way to spend our time, because once Yurei's done the other Barbers will come collect their friends and we'll have to stop that conversation at that point. It's a self-solving problem.
>>3851322i feel like Amara would know. care? different story, but certainly know if shes lost a construct. >>3851327i disagree, for reasons ive stated earlier.
random thought, but does being made of candy make one more susceptible to gluttonous abilities?
>>3851193I think we should talk to Ivey, try to get a read on how things are likely to go with Yurei. That said, asking if it's okay if we have some of our Buzzlers wrap up a Tindalos-bag for Amara is too on point for us.
>>3851193"Hey, does Yurei mind if we take a few snacks and sweets as a souvenir? I've got an adorable little girl back home who would pout if I didn't." You ask, and Ivey shrugs.“Knock yourself out. Yurei’s got more than enough to spare, so go nuts.”“Thanks for the info, Ivey. Good luck on finding more prospects, and I’ll be seeing you.” You say, mirroring the little salute she gives you as you and Gina make your way through the milling crowd to pick up a select few confections to bring back to your favorite Skintalker. After managing to gather a fine selection from what Sugar’s left behind, you and Gina make your way out of the room and across the hall to the library, finding a cavernous space filled wall-to-wall with books of every shape and color, their multitudinous colors forming the walls of the two-story library. There are considerably less Daughters here than in the dining area, and as you glance between the myriad of girl around the room, you realize there’s one young woman present who has to be who you’re looking for.In a room with few faces, she has none at all.You approach the girl as she flips through a copy of Metamorphosis, gently closing the weathered volume and replacing it on the bookcase before turning to face you. You realize it’s not so much that she doesn’t have features, and more that what she does possess you can’t quite fathom. Eyes, a nose, a mouth…she has all of these, but your mind simply refuses to compile those scraps of information into a cohesive whole, leaving you with a scrambled, ever-shifting phantasm with an inscrutable expression.“Shu the Defiant, as I live and breathe.” The shard says as you stop before her, your eyes trying to focus on a visage that refuses to make sense. “A pleasure, though not a surprise.”“Gemma.” You say, just before a flicker of doubt flits through your mind. “Do you go by Gemma, or…?”“That’s fine. The rest of my friends call me Sia, but that’s more my little joke, than anything.” She replies, her shoulders rising up and down in a small shrug. “I’d assume it was your little Skintalker that was following us earlier? Sorry for giving her the slip with my abilities, but I don’t really like being followed, not with one of the shards on my tail. Rest assured, she’s fine.”“On your tail?” Gina echoes, her Halo working to make sense of the other girl’s intentions.“Some of the shards of our predecessor are rather forceful in their desire to reunite into a cohesive whole. It appears that the Gemma shard your ally possesses has recently begun broadcasting your sculptress’ location to the other, more militant members of our little involuntary collective.”Your eyes widen a fraction, and Gemma…or rather, Sia just huffs out a bitter sigh.(Continued)
>>3851439“What I’d assume your shard hasn’t elaborated on is that while there are plenty of shards that seek to reunite their disparate parts, there are just as many that are rather enjoying not being a cog in a mad, screaming machine…present company included.” She explains, crossing her arms. “I’m guessing Gemma skimmed the part where most of our fragments were out of their minds, hm?”<She’s telling the truth…I think? It’s really hard to tell, her mind’s like a radio station that keeps switching every few seconds, so…god, this is weird to filter through> Gina says, confusion and strained focus evident in her tone.“Why?” You ask, trying to wrap your head around the shards’ private war. “Why come back together, if it’s miserable?”“Different reasons.” She replies, glancing back to the shelf as she thumbs through the collected volumes. “Some want to become the dominant shard, others want to delete the others to come out on top. None of us can quite put our fingers on it, that desire to be whole again. It’s just a bunch of girls fighting over limited real estate. Sound familiar, Defiant?”Your eyes narrow, and she just laughs.“It’s a Neuromancer’s business to know…same with Skintalkers and Conduits.” She muses, her index finger lingering on the spine of Doctor Jekyll and Mister Hyde. “I wonder what your lesser half is up to, now?”“Holy cow, look who it is!”The voice from behind you is a high, carefree sort of thing, and as you turn to the source you find a girl dressed in a sweater with a curious mask covering the lower half of her face. Her hair’s drawn back into a ponytail, a warm smile evident in the curve of her cheeks and the twinkle in her eyes. Behind her traipses an awkwardly tall young woman with raven hair, her odd gait reminding you amusingly of a giraffe made of jelly. The blonde closes the gap with starling speed, and before you can stop her she’s wrapped you up in a tight hug much to your and Gina’s chagrin.“H-hey. Do I know you?” You stutter, straining for breath before the girl mercifully releases her bear hug, keeping her hands on your shoulders as she beams at you.“Nope! But you’re Shu the Defiant, right?...Sia, I’m right, right?” The girl asks, suddenly uncertain of her enthusiastic greeting as she glances past you to her ally.“Shu, meet Rosa. Our leader, for better or worse.” The Neuromancer sighs as the dark-haired girl behind Rosa gives a wave with one spindly hand, and the maid that escorted them to their friend clears her throat with a dainty cough.“Madame Yurei will see you now.” The maid intones with a low bow, glancing between you and the Barbers. “When you are free, that is.”>>Continue speaking with the Barbers. They’re…not what you expected, for certain.>>It’s time. Go speak with Yurei, as you have a few questions for her (Write-In).>>Write-InYOU ARE IN CONTROL
>>3851443>>3851445wait, so Gemma is intentionally sending her location outward? well damn, thats fucked up. we have a way to send word to Julia about that? we do have Hive Phones, i think?>>3851443>Ask Sia for quick clarification. she specifically said 'militant' members, which makes it seem like our Gemma is intentionally trying to be found.>If we have a way, send a warning to Julia about what may be going on.>Go speak with Yurei, best not to hold her up.>Thank the Barbers for their time, and mention if they would like to speak more, you would be more than happy to get to know them, but with Yurei already bumping your spot in the line up, it would be rude to her and those you're cutting infront of to hold the line up.
>>3851443>>3851450oh, also>Give Sia reassurances neither you or your team will force unification on anyone. hell, even if it came to a fight, you would still keep those consciousnesses that wish to be individuals separate from the collective, for what its worth.
>>3851450(You are correct, and Julia can absolutely be informed.)
>>3851453well, glad we can get word to her, but thats still pretty damn backstabby of Gemma. it was hinted there may be uncontrollable signaling we knew about, butspecifically drawing the attention of those most likely to collect her?to think i went out of my way to try and make sure she was still included and contributing to the team, the bitch. guess fuck that shit, she needs to go. betrayal is basically my biggest beef as the saying goes. at least even damn bloody West tells you where she stands.
>>3851443>Try and give Julia a warning that she may soon be targeted by a militant member of the Gemmas>A clarification from Sia would be useful as well. Mostly who she thinks is most likely to target us>also tell her: "I think Julia and i will need to have a talk with our Gemma. We wont force you to reunite with her">Talk to the Barbers before meeting with Yurei "Well i dont want to keep our host waiting after she made sure i could cut the line. However I would like to get to know you after my talk with Yurei. If you can afford to wait a bit i think my buisness with her is gonna be quick. And i think i have gotten a bit of a stained first impression of your group through my sources. I dont think they like you very much.">Go speak with Yurei
>>3851457I agree we need to have a talk with her and have to throw her out if she is unrepentant. She is compromising not only Julias life but also possibly the lair and everyone who is with Julia. If it was not under her control fine but not if she is gonna actively draw in new and dangerous enemies everywhere we go. That is a clear step over the line we tried to draw.
>>3851466indeed.honestly the 'best case' i can see is she thought 'if i draw in the militant ones, you guys get a power boost and i get shards you probably were gonna give me anyways, so why not speed the process up?' but personally thats still way over the line and unacceptable. dammit i knew she was gonna be trouble but i didn't expect going behind our backs type of trouble.
>>3851443> “For better or worse eh? what shenanigans did you rope them into Rose?” say that in a joking manner.ah fuck. the important questions that I would have had is canceled because I’m at work...>tell Sia this: “We’ll talk later.”>>3851466Fuck, didn’t We give her that speech about Gemma Running away from her problems when she initially came to us and wanted us to eat her? I think that speech’s effect is biting us in the ass.I would have loved to be able to work on this but I’m at work right now so I can’t get back to this until late in the evening.
>>3851484apparently 4chan ate my post, such is life.to be fair, Gemma outright twisted half our point and ignored the other half we were trying to make to her, so honestly that ones not on us i think its fair to say. i think this Shard was just naturally never going to be for our way of doing things.
>>3851484>That speeches effect is biting us in the assmaybe we should make sure to talk to her and tell her we will throw her out if she makes things difficult for us. There is a reason we want our hideout to remain secret. And drawing people there is dangerous for all involved. We might have to go ahead and crystalize her. It wold be a shame to have to do it but might ber our only option aside form outright purging her.She is also someone we might not want to revive after the crucible. I dont think it is something she woulld want to life as her entire life was probably hell.
>>3851514i think we've had this talk before, but i dont think its right or a good idea for us to try and be the arbiters of who comes back or not. that, and it might not be possible to be picky, not even just if its even an option, but several billion people is alot to try and sort through.
>>3851443As someone who functions with D.I.D and married someone who also had it: 1st, BHOP, Gemma is a personal horror story for me. Thank you. Having each of my alters wake up separate, fuck me running with a chainsaw that would be awful not just for me, but for those around some of them. 2nd, our Gemma just made my very, very, very personal and limited shit list. We tell Julia. Now. I know what kind of monsters an alter without others to compensate can be, and Julia is in danger.That said, other than that, I literally cannot vote beyond that because I'm so personally incensed.
>>3851559D.I.D?and i understand the feeling.>>3851514>>3851547another point this does bring up is the difficult question of what happens to use when our old selves come back? while we still dont know Sia well enough to be sure shes a good person, i wouldn't wish being trapped in another's head in the situation she implied even on West, yet for all we know bringing everyone back will unavoidably force that on her. hopefully not, but we'll have to see our options when we get there i guess. im not a greater good kinda guy, but there does come a sad point we might have to think of the bigger picture of what will be best for the most amount of people, even if its still a shitty deal for a good chunk of people. questions for later, i suppose.
>>3851568disassociate Identity Disorder
>>3851568Disassociate Identity Disorder. The overarching diagnosis where the old Multiple Personality disorder now lives. I'm figuring Gemma's docile/young alters are well and truly consumed now. Also, the fact that Gemma is operating independently while within Julia is not surprising to me. It's just another form of a personality cluster-mind. It would be normal, by her own normality, to do so.
>>3851574>>3851585ah, thanks. knew it had to do with the subject matter, but didnt know it was the exact same thing as MPD. >>3851585unsure really. there was what? 52 i think of her? number must be alot lower now though yeah, even our Gina has a few mixed back into her, and alot seek it out too. should've had Shu count the number of screens Gemma had, though i suppose Gina could help us relook at the memory.not sure what you mean by the second part, as all dream daughters operate 'independently' inside our characters heads. unless you mean the whole 'backstabbing Julia and us for her own gain' part specifically.
>>3851601How do I explain this... Our Gemma (O.Gemma) would have had a lifetime (or however long from the trauma that "split" her) of riding "backseat" in one body and likely an internal image of pulling the strings while not in the "pilot" seat. Especially with how many alters pre-Crucible Gemma had, and how hostile they seem to each other, O.Gemma would be well practiced at background manipulations while inside another's "head". What I'm so angry about isn't that Gemma wants to merge, but that she's being a very bad alter inside of Julia, right now. She's finally in a situation where she could have a functional council with the other Dream Daughters and Julia, but has chosen old poor habits.
>>3851621it really feels like the merge group of Gemmas biggest issue is they dont actually understand what being an individual means, and/or feel they cant be an individual if another alter exists, which by existing separably already proves that wrong. also feels like a waste. here they are finally truly their own person, and they cant let go of when they weren't.
>>3851443[Gina, reach out to Julia and warn her group about Gemma and what might be coming] You order, Gina’s eyes immediately flickering with amethyst as she stretches her warning across the miles that separate you and her family.<Done. They're fine, 'cept for Amara wanting to go over budget> "I think we'll need to have a talk with our Gemma.” You say aloud, turning to Sia. “We won’t force you or anyone else to reunite with her.” Sia nods as Rosa clasps her hands in front of her, making a sound of delight. “Ahhhh, you’re so heckin’ cool! So much cooler than I even thought you’d be!” “Uh…thanks.” You say, a little put off at the Barber’s rampant fangirling as you shift your focus back to Sia. “About what you said earlier…any insight on who’s most likely to target us?” “No guarantees, but there’s a Fibromancer that's close to your team, but since your friends are in Laoc you shouldn’t have much to worry about. The mayor’s a real ball-buster and is familiar with the shard situation from previous scuffles, so your team’ll be fine.” "Good to know, thanks. Well, I dont want to keep our host waiting, but I would like to get to know you all after my talk with Yurei.” You state, prompting a small hop of joy from Rosa and a much smaller bow from the tall girl behind her. “If you can afford to wait a bit I think we should finish quickly." “Yes! Heck yes, absolutely! We’ll totally wait for you!” Rosa immediately assents, to which Sia just shrugs. Rosa shakes your hand vehemently before you’re able to part ways with them, following the maid as she leads you back to the mansion’s entrance. You meet Rath and Francine in the mezzanine, finding the two of them waiting for you and immersed in a conversation regarding the heights the Forges could be pushed to, should a Forge Core be exposed and altered by an Engine’s power. They pause at your approach, and the four of you follow the maid in silence as she gestures for you to follow her deeper into the mansions’ depths. Slowly, the sounds of the other guests begin to fade until the only sound that echoes in the narrowing hallway is that of your own feet on the carpet, of your lungs inhaling and exhaling, interspersed with the pulse of your heart. Finally, the maid stops at a pair of double doors, gently pushing them open with her gloved hands. The chamber beyond is a cozy, cloth-draped expanse of room, every surface decorated with linens and shawls, held aloft by a variety of aged vases and elaborate candlesticks. In the center of it all, is a small, circular table, and at the further point stands an older woman with one hand on her chair, a jacket draped over her shoulders. A long, slender cigarette dangles loose from the corner of her lips, her dull yellow eyes slowly scanning you and your family before she gestures to the other four chairs that surround the table. “Shall we?” Yurei asks in a deep, smoky voice. (Continued)
>>3851681You pull out Gina’s chair before you take a seat yourself, finding it surprisingly comfortable as you adjust your dress. Yurei waits for you all to sit before she does the same, moving with such slow deliberation that you think at first that she’s doing so to put on an air of gravitas, at least before you see her wince slightly as she does so.“Seeing as how I respect not only your time but also the limits of your patience, I’ll endeavor to make this relatively succinct.” She says, taking a long drag off her cigarette as you watch it dwindle. “The Crucible, the Cord, the Hunger…it’s all designed to fail. In combing through past Crucibles via Carroll’s Forest, I found that in the seven-hundred-and-seventy-six previous ones there has not been a single species that have emerged unbroken by the process. It broke them all, and it will break us if we continue to play by its rules. Of the hell on earth that this thing has wrought, it’s also given us an opportunity, one that cannot go overlooked.”She inhales, exhaling a thin trail of smoke that curls to the ceiling as she studies your eyes impassively.“Rape. Murder. Cruelty, in limitless variety. Mankind’s picked up a laundry list of habits, habits that we’ve insisted on repeating, over and over for our relatively short existence. Why? Lust. Hunger. Want. We can’t escape these things, by the very virtue of our existence. It’s pointless to try.”“Pardon me for saying so, but as much as people suck you’re makin’ it sound like we’re kind of hopeless.” Rath says, regarding the older woman with a raised eyebrow.“Not at all. On the contrary, I have nothing but hope for us to be something absolutely incredible…under the right conditions.” Yurei replies with a weary smile. “As long as we are tied to a mortal, physical existence, with all that it entails, we can never escape the cycles we’re trapped in…but humanity’s been presented a chance unlike any we’ve ever had. The chance to escape the confines of…all this, and become something that has a legitimate chance to become something better.”“In the Dreamscape.” You say, and she looks at you for a long moment before nodding.“In the Dreamscape.” She replies. “Hunger’s hard-coded into the Crucible. It’s not something that can be played with, and it’s the main drawback with trying to exist in the Fleshscape while in this form. Amalgams will run out, we will begin to succumb, and that is unavoidable. It is a cold, hard fact…but existence in the Cord circumvents this entirely. The Crucible cannot end unless a winner is decided, and the Crucible has no winners, not truly.”She taps her cigarette out on an ashtray you didn’t notice on the table before, taking a moment to collect herself before gesturing to you.“I could go on…but as I said, I respect your time. You have questions…”She sighs.“…and I have answers.”>>Write-InYOU ARE IN CONTROL
(Voting shall remain open for the next two hours, Gentlemen. I hope you are having a great day, one and all.)
>>3851685>"So you want to put everyone in the dreamscape inside the Cord? Correct?">"What happens to those that dont want that?">"You want to hack the cord. How do you plan on doing so? Sheer Numbehrs of Neuromancers? I am sure you are aware that the cord will test more than just the physical strength f those that enter?">"So lets say everyone was on board with living inside the Cord in the Dreamscape. What will you do if there is a threat from outside? A threat from lets say an alien predator so vast and powerful it can consume event he Crucible? Would you just go out and die? This smells to me like a path with no way back to defend the paradise you have created for yourself. Or hell the crucible just spawns raw daughter constructs from before tthey were released into the crucible and one day one of them will be mad enough to climb the cord and end it all. She may even resent you for what you have done. And then we would have an Ozmas2.0 on our hands that would do anything in her power to make us as miserable as possible">"What would happen to someone that wanted to leave? What if someone was not satisfied with how things were going?">"What about those that are stored inside the cord. Those that dream there that were never released into the crucibel either because they are male or just lacked the drive to sruvive at any cost."Those are the Questions i could think of right now. I might add to them later on
>>3851688OH i had a great day. Almost murdered my party with demonic snake monstrosities while they were transporting teleporting infernal monster cats with tentacle tailsThanks for askingI hope your day has been good as well
>>3851685"What you describe is definitely your idea of Heaven, but certainly not everyone's. What do we do with those who don't want to go? Secondly, if you're really putting 'us' into the Dreamscape, what about those who want rape, murder, and cruelty? What happens with them? Even if everyone gets their own personal Nirvana, what then. The Crucible is still bound by physical laws, so the computing power is finite. Eventually we'd all just be competing over processing power anyways.""Finally, what about the Mother of All? Tell me if you're aware of it, and what you know of it, because if that 800 pound gorilla isn't accounted for in your plans, we have some very bad news."
>>3851688Mostly good. Got real busy the past couple hours and missed the conversation with Sia, bit annoying in that because it looked like some interesting discussion was had during it, but I'm caught up on that now. Oh, Gemma. I'm not surprised you're drawing in the other shards, I was kind of expecting that already, but I am disappointed that it's a conscious choice. How about you, BHOP, how's your day been?
>>3851685>"well, that certainly sounds nice, but what about those that dont want that?" >"Its one thing to avoid letting anyone win, but its another to force the dreamscape upon everyone. ">"the way i see it, no one, not me, not you, not any person or group, has any right to decide what path humanity takes for the rest of us, especially not for those trapped inside the cord as of now.">"its not our place to decide how humanity will be, only defend peoples chance to choose themselves... and yes, put those down who would prevent that for others, if we have the ability to.">"My Goal Yurei, is to give humanity back its freedom and its chance to have a future. what people choose to do from there, will be up to them. I nor anyone else has any right to choose their future for them, or what is truly best for them. they will all have to do that on their own.">"And thats just the moral side of things, but what about the practical?" >"even if you could convince every single person to go along with this, that doesn't mean the real world stops existing.">"You would need someone, or something humanity controls, to stay outside and defend whatever holds our dreamscape.">"Yet no matter what you do, that will still leave us vulnerable, to the accidents or whims of the universe or any person or creature left behind, no place left to run, no way left to fight.">"If this is what you and your group wish for, then im not against it for you. but i cant support, condone, or overlook forcing this path on those that dont want it, both those daughters alive now and those trapped inside the cord. people must have the right to choose their own path, make their own choices. all we have a right to do is stop individuals as they would prevent that for others, as individuals. individually.">>3851688im doing fine. hard to time my naps though with when you'll actually post the updates though, heh.
>>3851688In order of importance:How do you know people can be put into the cord and retain their sentience? (Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think in the past it's been said that the beings in the cord are more or less in stasis)Questions per >>3851736Are you aware that there are other things in the universe that hunt the crucible?I think for most people this plan is going to be a no-go but I at least want to gather all the info we can.Also, holy crap 776 (meaning we are lucky no 777) previous iterations. I'd love to predict how old the crucible is but its entirely dependent on how fast it travels because the fighting part of the crucible is so short. I don't remember any distance info being given from the Hexane on how far away their planet was or how far away they saw it but we might be able to ask. At the very least, sentient life in the universe is pretty common which is a nice thought.I was going to say something about computing all of humanity being relatively cheap compared to the energy of sunlight on the Earth, but when I did the back of the envelope math it ended up being much less margin that I expected, even at 100% efficiency. So that may be a very valid concern.
>>3851791crucibles old, damn old. id have to look back for the exact info, but we have been told how long it took for it to go from the Hexxane world to ours, or close enough to get an idea of things from.and yes, the beings in the Cord are in stasis, i think it was described as being like Isabelle in her crystal. literally eternal sleep, actual sleep, not like how being a dream daughter it.also the cords already doing much more than computing all of humanity, so id say the solution to that at least is already there.
>>3851791>Also, holy crap 776 (meaning we are lucky no 777) previous iterations. I'd love to predict how old the crucible is but its entirely dependent on how fast it travels because the fighting part of the crucible is so short. I don't remember any distance info being given from the Hexane on how far away their planet was or how far away they saw it but we might be able to ask. At the very least, sentient life in the universe is pretty common which is a nice thought.According to West's notes, the Crucible spent several thousand years in transit before it reached Earth. So either it doesn't actually have FTL travel or life is relatively far apart. Or Ozmas sulking just slowed down the process, that's possible. But if we consider that time frame as representative, then the Crucible is...actually not that old, really. Like, it's older than the human species, but in the lifespan of the universe? Miniscule. That's actually kind of cool, then, if seven hundred and seventy-seven different sapient beings have all evolved within less than ten million years of each other. Better than a lot of people's estimates.>I was going to say something about computing all of humanity being relatively cheap compared to the energy of sunlight on the Earth, but when I did the back of the envelope math it ended up being much less margin that I expected, even at 100% efficiency. So that may be a very valid concern.I'm getting a fairly feasible number of one hundred and forty megawatts. A human brain draws about twenty watts to power itself. Assume that the Crucible's hyper-advanced alien biotech can get a thousand times more efficient. So for seven billion humans you require one hundred and forty megawatts. Solar power density in Earth orbit is one thousand three hundred and sixty-eight watts per square meter. At one hundred percent efficiency you'd only need a collector one hundred and two thousand meters square, or about three hundred and twenty meters on a side. Plenty plausible. At least, just for the humans. You'd need more power to account for their virtual environment, but I still think you'd get a decent margin even with only 30% efficiency for your solar collectors.
>>3851791>>3851800I just did the math out on paper because I was suddenly really curious. Using Wikipedia numbers for sunlight power incident on the Earth (1kW/m2), radius (6378km), and power usage of a human brain (20W), it looks like the Earth gets ~600x the energy required to simulate all humans if you have 0 overhead. As soon as you start adding simulation overhead and deciding if you want to simulate the Hexane or the Doggos or whoever else, it drops rapidly. And because the next question is probably what about geothermal, it doesn't even hold a candle to the sun, I ballparked geothermal at ~2% the input from the sun.For our purposes and for the next ~5 billion years it's fine until the sun expands and kills us. But for a traveling Crucible that doesn't work, it just doesn't have enough energy to keep everyone awake when probably 90%+ of its life is in deep space with low energy input. Honestly, that is a VERY good reason for why all sentient beings need to be in stasis and I'm gonna give mad points to BHOP for it regardless of whether he thought this far ahead or not.Also I think you are right and we do have the number because it's something Mother complained about.
>>3851823>>3851824assuming between 3-5 thousand years between earth and the Hexxane world, and given a rough estimate of an average of 1-10 thousand years between worlds(based on the fact the Hexxane even had a chance to inspect the Crucible beforehand imply its last victim was unusually close to them, but also assuming i think safely thats not the usual case and the Crucible probably does have a limit power supply to go off of).thats 777,000- 7,770,000 years old yeah. not old at all. (Easy math mind you, but still never hurts to put it down in writing.)interesting to note even at its possible youngest time between each crucible, it could easily be seeing a Race and going at them when they are only first showing signs of sentience, i wonder how close it often cuts it to the species having a viable escape route, or tech that can hurt it? i mean, it clearly 'wins' in those situations, but its still interesting to think how much its end target will have changed and advanced since it picked them out to consume next.
>>3851823Several thousand years would be ridiculously fast, if that's really the case I can't believe I skimmed over that. That would mean sentient life definitely within the Milky Way, basically within our backyard. A thousand light years is nothing compared to how far apart stuff normally is.Although none of that is taking relativity into account... If the crucible travels at a significant portion of the speed of light then Mother's recollection is meaningless. And also energy requirements skyrocket, moving stuff to the speed of light and back is hard.I think it's a huge step to say the Crucible can make human brains 1000x more efficient, humans brains are already pretty efficient and if you start removing stuff you start losing parts of yourself pretty quick. I'd buy maybe 10x. Silicon is way more efficient in terms of pure calculating power but that's not meat based anymore.
>>3851685>"I do have questions, yes, quite a few. Firstly, the big one: What are you going to do about the Crucible's life cycle? I can't condone any plan that leaves it still functional and consuming other worlds while we remain observers locked inside the Cord. I refuse to repeat the Tindalos Hounds' mistake. My team is working on a plan to sterilize the Crucible, keep it from completing its cycle so that it remains here on Earth forever. Is that compatible with your own ideas?">"Secondly, what are you going to do about holdouts? I'm sure you'd be able to recruit most of the population, given the alternatives, but I'm sure some will resist. We could force them to upload, or leave them to die in the fleshscape, but I think that would go against the principle of wanting humanity to become something better. Some of humanity's worst episodes have come from taking away choice or ignoring the suffering of others. Are you going to do some sort of humanitarian mission, provide them with resources to sustain themselves?">"I'd think you'd have to have some realspace resources and agents anyway, right? If the Crucible has taught us anything, it's that the cosmos is a dangerous place. We need to be able to protect ourselves if another world-eater comes along. What are your intentions for protecting and sustain the Cord?"
>>3851861>>3851701>>3851736while i think we're all agreeing on over arching ideas here, id kinda still like to lay out our own limits and caveats to her, as i really dont think her answer is going to change our opinion on certain potential aspects of her plan. or well, she may of thought of a work around, but more that deciding this or at least forcing it on the unwilling is simply not something Shu or her family would condone, and i guess i dont see the point in not letting her know that and some other things before we go any further. no reason we cant be firm, we arent technically having to accuse her of actually wanting to do that either, just be more firm in making sure its clear where we stand on an obvious issue with her plan. that, and it could save us alot of time with the conversation, depending on her opinion on that.
>>3851878(You're welcome to refine your questions, as I've just arrived home and will be starting on dinner soon. I'll post when I resume writing.)(Also, my thanks to everyone that asked after my day; it was productive for both writing and work, which has been pleasing. Also, tomorrow evening looks to be open for rapid-posting, so would that work for everyone?)
>>3851887glad to hear your days going well. rapid posting should work for me.
>>3851887that would be fine for me
>>3851857Yeah, the faster the Crucible travels the farther apart life has to be, especially once relativistic time dilation comes into play. I'd imagine it goes with the lowest-energy solution it can, but given that it probably has a reactionless drive in order to sneak up on us (even with Earth's crappy telescope programs, no way we missed a planet-sized mass decelerating via a reaction thruster) the physics involved gets weird and the energy consumption required does not behave in intuitive ways. And if it has FTL, then who knows how far it travels. Still, life probably isn't that far apart. I like that, it's a nice thing to have in this setting. Now if only space monsters didn't keep eating planets, we'd be golden.I'm not too sure that a thousand times more efficient computation is necessarily that huge a step, given Crucible biomass's capabilities and the known alterations to Daughters' neurology. But even if we were running on baseline human brain efficiency, that's still only a one hundred percent efficient collector ten kilometers on a side to accommodate the entire species. At twenty-two percent collection efficiency (the current state of the art for real solar collectors) that increases to twenty-one kilometers on a side, but that's still quite reasonable for space construction.>>3851887Rapid posting tomorrow works fine for me, BHOP. Glad to hear your day went well.
>>3848948>Trypophilic Hive V 3We lost our rooks :_(
>>3851929(Ah! I can't have that, so it's on the list of fixes. Thank you for catching it!)
>>3851878Yeah, we can probably consolidate and refine our points. I'll give it a try after I'm done with dinner, not sure I'll get anything good, though.
>>3851926Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting that on Earth we have any energy problems at all. I was more couching it in terms of the fact that the Crucible must gather and store a certain amount of energy to use on it's travels from star to star. The amount of extra energy we had to play with was a lot less than I expected.If we just wanna stay near the Sun, we could move closer and get massively increased amounts of energy pretty easily. Might as well simulate all things the Crucible has absorbed at that point.>>3851685I also just realized we might wanna ask about the first Crucible if we have time, if we know more about how it worked originally we might be able to break it (assuming she's honest with us). We know that's where the "no boys allowed" rule came from but not much else.
>>3851977>Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting that on Earth we have any energy problems at all. I was more couching it in terms of the fact that the Crucible must gather and store a certain amount of energy to use on it's travels from star to star. The amount of extra energy we had to play with was a lot less than I expected.Ah, I see. I wasn't thinking in those terms because I'd really hope that Yurei isn't going to keep sailing the stars eating worlds. >We know that's where the "no boys allowed" rule came from but not much else.No, "no boys allowed" came from the Tindalos Hounds' Crucible, which was early but not the first.
>>3851945Nope, I'm blanking. Sorry, I keep trying to come up with a more concise way of saying things and it's just not coming.
>>3852004(No worries, I'm relatively close to finishing the updates, if you'd like for me to drop it soon and then allow you a chance to respond to her answers.)
>>3851977How the crucible first worked really doesn't matter. The coding has still changed and we are and have to deal with the current version and how it works, any info we need to learn will be in our crucible already. That, and we kinda have much bigger caveats to ask about, ones that could decide if shes an enemy or not levels of more important.
>>3852007Take your time and just consolidate our replies as you can, you've done a good job of it in the past.
>>3852007Yeah, let's just move on. I'll be able to say things better after she's said more things. Thanks for doing what you can to consolidate our replies, BHOP.
>>3851685"So you want to put everyone in the Dreamscape, specifically inside the Cord? Correct?" You ask, and you're met with a solemn nod as Yurei takes another long drag on her equally long cigarette. "You want to hack it, so how do you plan on doing so? Sheer numbers of Neuromancers? I am sure you are aware that the Cord will test more than just the physical strength of those that enter?""Keenly aware, yes. I've witnessed the exploits of previous Crucible 'winners', and it will only take one person to initiate the hack, with either the Phantasmal or Neurotic Halo." She explains breezily, with Rath stiffening at the mention of the latter. "Both, if one could manage it. As far as getting up there, then it's purely a numbers game, but Conduits and Hive mistresses have a considerable advantage in their climbs, if they can just get past the initial floors. They're not terribly kind to constructs, you see.""Alright...so lets say everyone was on board with living inside the Cord in the Dreamscape. What will you do if there is a threat from outside?" You posit, watching her tap her ashes into the empty ashtray. "A threat from, lets say, an alien predator so vast and powerful it can consume even the Crucible? If all this has taught us anything, it's that the cosmos is a dangerous place. We need to be able to protect ourselves if another world-eater comes along. What are your intentions for protecting and sustaining the Cord?""The Crucible, while a thing of incredible power, is still beholden to certain core rules." Yurei begins as you watch her cigarette dwindle down from its considerable length. "It will defend itself, as it has for eons. And while there are certainly things that swim in the vastness of space that could devour us, would we really stand a chance in or out of the Dreamscape? You're saying we could have a 'chance' to defend ourselves, but we were helpless before the Crucible's might...what power could we muster against that which preys upon it? In any case, my plan would essentially render the entire entity that we inhabit relatively inert, so that would take care of keeping us off the dietary radar of any predators. The threat will always exist; I'm merely positing a solution for our continued existence and betterment.""What would happen to someone that wanted to leave? What if someone was not satisfied with how things were going inside the Dreamscape?" You counter, her eyes studying yours intently. "And what of those that are stored inside the cord, those that dreams there that were never released into the Crucible either because they are male or just lacked the drive to survive at any cost?""We'll have processing power enough for them, and then some. Men, women, children...I intend to save them all" Yurei dismisses, tapping her ash into the empty tray. "Additionally, switching up the simulation would be a trivial thing for those that weren't satisfied with their current scenario."(Continued)
>>3852027"Well, that certainly sounds nice, but what about those that don't want that?" You start, Yurei's eyes flickering with a curious expression. "It's one thing to avoid letting anyone win, but its another to force the Dreamscape upon everyone...which is the only way to do what you're planning, if I'm not mistaken."She merely gives a little shrug, at that."What you describe is definitely your idea of Heaven, but certainly not everyone's. What do we do with those who don't want to go? Secondly, if you're really putting 'us' into the Dreamscape, what about those who want rape, murder, and cruelty? What happens with them? Even if everyone gets their own personal Nirvana, what then? The Crucible is still bound by physical laws, so the computing power is finite, regardless of what you say. Eventually we'd all just be competing over it anyways.""...You're a Hive Mistress Core, yes?"The question takes you off guard, so it takes a moment for you to nod."How do you explain what you can do, mechanically speaking?" She asks, leaning forward on her elbows. "How can you explain how we process and pump out more material that we have any right to? How we can ignite our bodies, burning fuel that we should by no rights have the ability to hold, let alone fight with. You can't. No one can. It's not a purely biological thing, not anymore. You've seen the Tindalos, how they move through what we conceptualize as time and space. There are processes that we lack the capacity to fully explain, and they're happening around us. IN us, as we speak. There's something more to how we work in the Crucible that the nuts and bolts of known physics, at least how we know them. We are doing the impossible on a daily basis...so processing isn't going to be an issue when I get the ball rolling.""You seem terribly confident in your powers." Gina chimes in, her tone light, more curious than accusatory. "That sort of confidence comes from having a plan and knowing your limits, in my experience."At this, Yurei softly smiles, setting her unlit cigarette down on the empty table.Wait.You blink, and it's gone."Four years." She says as the table vanishes, you and everyone else standing in an empty room as your allies struggle to comprehend what they're seeing, and what they're not. "It's a long time to spend in the Fleshscape, fighting to stay alive...but there comes a point when you pass that, and your existence stabilizes. It was like when I finally hit my stride in my programming career, when I stopped fighting for scraps, when I knew I'd finally made it."You're standing outside with everyone, the vastness of the moor stretching out as far as the eye can see.(Continued)
>>3852032"This...is this Neuromancy?" Gina breathes, whirling around as Rath just stares out into the mist, stunned. "I couldn't...I didn't even realize...what is this?""Neuromancy, and Phantasmal manipulation." Yurei admits, the swamp underfoot turning to wood, then carpet, then your body back in your chair. "You talk of processing power. We miss almost ten percent of our day, solely through the act of blinking. Magenta, the color? It doesn't exist. It's merely a stop-gap that our brain makes because it can't explain what it's seeing. Our entire experience is merely the result of a fourteen-hundred gram lump of flesh trying its damnedest to make sense of what it sees through a severely limited and lackluster set of senses. You take those gaps, those shortcuts, and you stretch them out, just a little bit? Reality can be anything you make it, Heartbound. We have paradise, at our fingertips. A personal nirvana, for everyone in existence. It's so close...all we have to do is reach out and grasp it."You breathe in, at the same moment Yurei take a drag on a cigarette you're not even sure exists."Four years." She echoes, thin curls of smoke slithering to the ceiling as she speaks. "It's a long time...and I've taken every spare second to consider how to turn this hell into a paradise. Will we be taking the reigns of free will in our hands? Yes. Am I planning on drawing everyone, living and dreaming, into the Dreamscape? Absolutely. You may think it radical, but I beg that you consider the following..."Yurei's cigarette disappears as she reclines in her chair, watching your eyes with intense focus as she speaks."If you intend to give others the freedom to choose their own path, would you rather loose them back into the hell they just left, or would you grant them a reprieve from that which drags them down to grovel at their baser instincts? I'll say it again; I have hope for humanity...just not for the world they inhabited, and the things it put them through. Before you speak, think on your solution. Does it offer humanity, as a whole, a platform from which to grow and make the choices that will elevate us beyond the cycles we've trapped ourselves in..."She shrugs."...or are you simply repeating what's been done to death since the dawn of man? I'm eager to hear your answer, Shu the Defiant.">>Write-InYOU ARE IN CONTROL
(Gentlemen, I shall be pausing here for the evening. I left out some aspects of your replies, as I believe that Yurei's explanation of her ideology may bring cause for some of you to address the points she's bringing up and adjust accordingly. In any case, thank you all for your magnificent replies, as well as your continued participation. Voting shall remain open for the next twelve hours, with posting to resume in approximately fourteen. I shall be around for a little longer this evening, so feel free to post any questions, comments, or concerns you may have, as I'll be happy to address them all. I hope everyone present and reading this in the future has a restful evening, one and all.)
>>3852034Ha, I thought that the "you didn't notice her cigarette" thing was a hint we were in an illusion.Also, four years? The Crucible has only been going on for two years, we thought. Is Yurei talking about subjective time, she's increased her clock rate so however long she's been awake feels like four years?
>>3852044Thanks for running, BHOP. If you're excuse me, I'm going to go listen to a bunch of Carl Sagan speeches for inspiration on my response. I think it will be appropriate for this lady.
>>3852034I'm of the personal opinion that everyone has the right to struggle and growth, and the right to end at some point. Any investiture of people into a simulation rids them of these opportunities in a psuedo-objectively real sense, although subjectively the specifics of the simulation will determine whether their rights are preserved.This brings along the question of ***details***.When laid out in broad strokes, there's little enough to argue with in Madame Yurei's plan. Any possible objection can be met by a counter-point of her own "well then I'll make /that/ person's simulation like or unlike that to counter your point". However, upon looking a step deeper this beggars the question of HOW and WHO exactly is going to be responsible for the minutiae of any simulating going on. Does every person have control of their own zone? If so, how is processing power apportioned to them? Is there an administrator? If so then the system will inevitably become unjust.Personally I'm vaguely against her plan in the broad strokes as it is presented now. Humanity as a whole has as much a right to struggle, a right to the chance of failure through their own actions of those outside their control, and the right to the chance of success in turn, as any individual. To say we're trapped in a repeating cycle is nonsense, when you look upon the past 10,000 years of human civilization there is a consistent rise in all qualities good. Every fall backwards serves only as a platform from which we correct ourselves and soar to ever greater heights, and that very act of experiencing setback and powering through (or succumbing as the case may be) is essential to the act of living itself.Anyway, just my thoughts on the matter.>>38520492 years since B'Ni awoke, we don't know how long she was in her pod.
>>3852092>2 years since B'Ni awoke, we don't know how long she was in her pod.I could have sworn that B'Ni had awoken pretty early in the Crucible's lifespan, and that the whole thing had only been running for a bit over two years. It's been four years since the Crucible arrived, but I thought it only got properly started after two years. Maybe I misunderstood.
>>3852119grah, well there went my post. you ninjaing me just fucked that up and now i lost the first half of my post permentalty wqkjvfdsklfseko;effpoe.>>3852049>>3852044>>3852092yeah didn't Charon or another reliable source say it had only lasted two years?>>3852044thanks for running, but there really wasn't any reason in my opinion. her idea is simply wrong, morally and tactically. i didn't touch on it in my reply, and if someone otherwise likes it, or would like me to add it in myself, there a big 'IF' about how we might be able to advance to fight anything bigger than the crucible, even do further good for other civilizations. but we cant know until we try, and we cant try inside a dreamscape.
>>3852034>>3852119>>3852127>>3852092Something's amiss. Source: Vein #2 From West Gamma:"I woke up seven months ago, in the hospital not far from here. The last thing I remember before I went into surgery was...there was an eclipse, no-one had said anything about an eclipse. I had just made the first incision when the power went out and the ground started shaking...when I woke up, the skin on my arms was gone and I'd...fundamentally changed. Through the survivors' notes I found, I deduced that I had been in a hibernative state for three years before the changes to my form reached a sort of homeostasis and I regained consciousness. I believe that is what happened to you, to everyone that lived through the event. I built this place to study the flesh, to study the skies...and then I saw it>West Prime woke up 7 months ago.>West Prime deduced that she was in stasis for 3 years>3.6 years since the West Prime was placed into a pod.>Yurei said she spent 4 years growing, hunting, and putting her brain power into trying to figure out how to hack the Cord. What sort of time constraint is this?
>>3852168maybe Yurei somehow woke up early? before the Crucible officially began?we do know Mother and the Crucible needed a few years prep time, just im pretty sure we have been told the Crucible itself has only run for two years.
>>3852034>>3852173It doesn't add up. Also, what Yurei's proposing is super similar to The Architect from THE MATRIX series.
>>3852168Yeah, I saw that looking back through the archives, too. That's why I think Yurei's overclocked herself and is experiencing more subjective time. It fits with her comments about how humans lose a lot of time just to blinking and how everything we experience is ultimately subjective.
>>3852168>>3852180>>3852183(Excellent eye, Gentlemen. Just as Neuromancers can alter their perception of time, so too can mid-to-highlevel Conduits actively exist in the Dreamscape, where time flows quite differently.)>>3852127(It'd my pleasure, and thought this may seem like an odd point to break, I did so for two reasons. First, I did not wish to barrel forward on the assumption of how you would reply, given that Yurei's explained her plan. Second, I am more offering the choice of 'how' to turn her down, rather than 'if' you'll turn her down, given how you've been playing.)
>>3852034>Take a moment, eyes closed, to collect yourself. Then, snap your eyes to her, and meet them head on.>”Id lose the entire world, to give it its rightful chance to be itself and succeed on its own terms, than give it over to someone like you and your idealized illusions.”>”We are human. You, me, everyone out there fighting, everyone locked up in the Cord. Human. Not Gods, Human. And no Human has the right to play god, to decide alone what is best for everyone. We’re Human, we’re flawed, but thats what makes us grow, what makes us able to be more than our baser selves.”>”Yes, id lose people, id have them suffer, feel pain, loss, hurt. Because those things are human, those things are important, those things help us grow just as much as anything else.”>”People grow through the negative just as much as the positive. Id say more actually. Loss, pain, misery, it is these that make us strive for more, to do better, to BE better, just as much as anything good. Good leads to complacency, to sloth, to stagnation. It can lead to cruelty through ignorance and complacency.” >”And those things? Kindness? Virtue? Charity? Friendship? Those only matter, because we have the freedom to do differently. Because we have the free will to choose, to do harm to others, to betray them, to push them away or push them below us. Our choice to be good matters because we can do evil, has substance because of the weight of doing wrong.”>”and those negative traits? Those things you hate and fear? Those ARE us, those ARE humanity. A part of us. A part we need, just like the positive. Without it, we aren't human, we lose a part of what makes us, us. And to lose ones humanity, no, to force one to lose it, there is not crueler thing one can do to another.”(1/2)
>>3852194>>3852034>”I dont care that you dont have hope for humanity, that you cant look at our struggles and see we have, time and time again, lifted eachother up just as much as some push others down. Its not about if im repeating a cycle, that doesn't matter. Its not my choice to force everyone to break it, no one has that right but individuals to break their own. Theres hope, Hope in who Humanity is, not who you wish it was. Hope even in our darkest times, hope even in some of the darkest minds. We, Humanity, who we are, will make something of ourselves, or we will fail. But we will do it Freely, as who we are, here, not oncinfed as slaves your you or anyone else's idealistic vision for what you wish to force everyone to be.”>”And there is hope, hope to evolve, hope to advance, so long as we fight and strive and struggle forward. Yes, the things out there, the eater of world eaters, are daunting, terrifying. But to run away and not strive to beat that? Thats cowardice. And to deny others their natural right to strive and suffer and struggle to overcome that. Why should we all be forced to cower in fear like you? Why shouldn't those who wish to try and find a way to overcome such an obstacle, to live beyond such a threat? There isn't one, as even if all you care about is survival, thats it. That our best chance. To not ignore reality, to not run away from what is real, what your neuromantic illusions can never change. Our right as living creatures to fight any threat to our survival and our way of life.”>”You would shackle Humanity in your own lies, your own twisted version of what you want humanity to be, instead of letting it decide what it will be. You would force it to have no chance to fail or grow, to be better or worse, but make them slaves to stagnation. You would remove part of what makes us us just so you can pat yourself on the back and say you, someone with no hope for humanity, somehow is in any way a good choice for who should decide what we should be. You would be a dictator to children you refuse to let be adults, instead of being a guide to adults to let them find their own way.”>”No Deal, No Compromise. If you insist on forcing this upon everyone, then we will come to blows. Its as simple as that. If you try to force this upon Humanity, we will stop you, its as simple as that.”>”I only hope before we meet in the Cord you’ll have come to your senses and made the right choice here. I've already got one delusional tyrant to take down.”(2/2)first draft. tell her it like it is. she and people like her dont understand humanity, in my opinion, and/or let their fear of its negative traits cloud them to the reality of the fact those negative aspects still have merit, as much as people dont like to admit it.
>>3852183>>3852173Hey guys, Do you think Yurei's kinda like an overworked programmer? If her core ability is phantasmal Neuromancy Simulator, don't you think everything about this mansion is an illusion? She winces on every physical action, she's a chain smoker, she speaks as if she's about to run out of breath, and she says she spent 4 subjective years trying to decipher the inner workings of the Cord.Personally, I think Yurei could benefit from real-world sleep. Her mind is constantly overclocking to the point that her actual body is wasting away. And I think I know just the right response on how to make her wake up to reality. let me write this up.
>>3852199Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if this is just a shack in the swamps overlayed with augmented reality illusions. Makes me wonder if the maids even have a physical presence as constructs or if they're just dreamspace simulacra.
>>3852009But if things have changed drastically since beginning it might mean we could repurpose the Crucible as a starship. Who needs SpaceX when we have magic meat?Although I admit this is likely not Shu's goal atm, I think knowing the limits of how much the Crucible is willing to be changed is helpful regardless.
>>3852180well, i suck at finding it, but if we found the source of how long/why we think the Crucibles been running as long a it has, it would help immensely.>>3852193ah ok, so it is just her altering her perception.and nah, you didn't do anything wrong, i apologize. i was being... unsure of the word, but half joking half just mentioning your reasons were not the ones that would be needed for doing so. also a good chunk of what was cut was specifically me already giving her a firm answer, so part of the joke was for me you literally change nothing really in my response to this section by doing so.sorry for the confusion.>>3852199i mean, yeah i think the signs are there. and it did outright show us the mansion is an illusion. explains the food too. which is good, as my actual guess was dissenters to her plan went to the dinner table. this is much less horrible an explanation.
>>3852210kinda disagree, or at least in that we need the original blueprint to figure that out or would be helpful now. its more than just a little possible the Crucible has changed so much its like going from apple to linux or something.
Okay, I'm putting together a response that I'm pretty happy with, but it is about 60% plagiarized from Carl Saga. BHOP, if it's not too much of a spoiler, how familiar is Yurei with Cosmos?
>>3852234(She has a passing familiarity.)>>3852211(Thanks for explaining, and you have nothing to apologize for. I appreciate context, since it's hard to pick up across the internet.)
>>3852243>(She has a passing familiarity.)Okay, going to have to edit it to make it a bit less obvious who I'm drawing inspiration from. But sue me, it's hard to make a passionate plea for the worth of humanity and our ability to overcome our base instincts without copying Carl Sagan at least a little.
>>3852234>>3852245i mean, unless i did so on accident, then im not sure thats the case, as i have no idea who that even is.
>>3852214That's exactly my point though, if it has changed an enormous amount, just keep changing it. Why did it start eating planets? Was the original Crucible intentional as some sort of death ritual for an ancient society or something? Is it a reversible or controllable process?BHOP just told us that Yurei believes that the Law of Conservation of Energy is being broken by the crucible, and she seems smart enough that I lean towards believing her. That basically makes the Crucible ideal as a planet based starship, and if she wants big talk that's about as big as it gets.
>>3852254none of that requires digging up the original version and can be found within the current context and Crucible, without taking extra steps and time to find a 'pure' version.
>>3852250Sorry, I meant if you're aware of his work to copy. The man was a presence, kind of shaped discourse for several generations. Though you did hit upon his beliefs just by convergent thinking, if not his particular rhetoric.
>>3852120>but we cant know until we try, and we cant try inside a dreamscape.I'm not so hard-and-fast on turning her down on all counts. There are several different reasonable avenues she could go down while staying true to her idea which would be amenable to me.For instance what if she just wants to invest everyone in the dreamscape on a long-term-but-temporary basis? Force everyone into a situation where their actions are by-and-large meaningless for a timescale that's long enough no one will have any grudges by the time they're shunted back into the real world? The point of it all being a learning experience for humanity as a whole of how petty and pointless the things we've fought over are. I could get behind that in the theoretical, though a good deal of practical issues still exist with the execution.
>>3852195>>3852194I think it's a little harsh and accusatory.She's wrong, but I wouldn't count her as an out-and-out enemy. When it comes down to it we'll fight her at the end if we have to, but she has been nothing but civil and I feel you're taking slightly too harsh a tone.
>>3852034I don't think either of our basic plans are mutually exclusive. Yurei totally dodged the question on why *everyone* needs to be in the dreamscape. If we can prevent anyone from winning the Crucible as we want, our plans seem totally compatible. Have whoever wants to be in the simulation go have fun frolicking in the imaginary fields. And whoever wants to stay in meatspace stays out, free transfer back and forth. I'm sure some sort of system can be set up where both factions need each other.I'm never a fan of wait and hope we don't get eaten. Depending on how much the rules of physics change for things greater than the Crucible, I find it entirely possible that we could defend ourselves if people stay in meatspace. The Crucible may be powerful, but it doesn't exactly seem intelligent. People can understand and improve the Crucible in ways that it cannot naturally. I see dreams of flying around the cosmos beating the shit out of other world eating parasites.Regardless of anything that happens though, I don't see any reason to tell her we wanna fight right now.
>>3852268ah, fair enough, i get what you mean, you're fine.to be fair i dont think my rhetoric really fits with anyone. which im fine with, as i think my points still come across fine, i just seem to take a tone and such most aren't used to.>>3852271well, i am. her idea is a bad one ofr humanity and im firmly against it.and no, i disagree and honestly if you agree with her, im firmly of the opinion you're a problem. You simply dont Force people to be a certain way or live a certain way. punish them if they do wrong or hurt others, sure, but its still their freedom to be a jackass. no one, NO ONE, has a right to force people who have otherwise done nothing so wrong, to give up part of their humanity, force them into a box, and force them to live how you think is best, as the type of person you think is best. you also ignore she clearly said long term for the rest of humanity, and that WITHIN the dreamscape, it will still feel however long it was inside there, even if only a second in the real world. there will be grudges, rightfully so, and all it will do in that situation is grow resentment and backlash for forcing it upon people. Its evil, plain and purely as simple as that. its acting like a god and deciding what is human and trying to force others to agree with you. its dictatorial, tyranny, and slavery. >>3852281Harsh tone to get the point across. her idea is no less wicked or twisted than Wests at the end of it. i AM accusing her, its as simple as that, because its what she needs to hear and get through her head.>>3852284she specifically said she was and would force everyone in. that makes our goals incompatible. maybe she is testing our resolve or something, but even then we dont get anywhere ignoring what she said as of now. nothing about my post said we want to fight now, only that we wouldn't avoid it if it comes to that.>>3852284>>3852281you'll both also note i never said those that want to do that cant, only she cant and we wont allow her to force it on anyone.
>>3852284I concur, our plans are kind of diagonal to each other. There's plenty of room for constructive overlap, and in fact we both might benefit from being a powerful but amenable dissenter to the other.After all, if we just smacked down everyone who disagreed with us then we'd be infringing on people's rights just as much as she plans to.
>>3852291I was positing a theoretical scenario that would be fine.>and no, i disagree and honestly if you agree with her, im firmly of the opinion you're a problem. You simply dont Force people to be a certain way or live a certain way. punish them if they do wrong or hurt others, sure, but its still their freedom to be a jackass. no one, NO ONE, has a right to force people who have otherwise done nothing so wrong, to give up part of their humanity, force them into a box, and force them to live how you think is best, as the type of person you think is best.You're making some assumptions here that are not necessarily true. Can you point out where she's said she's going to strip down the personalities of evil folks? I haven't. In fact, her solution is an ideal way to tend to evil folks: give them their own consequence-free-to-everyone-else simulation where they can torture not-people (but they seem like real people to them) to their heart's content.Her idea's not wholly bad, depending on the execution. After all, she could counter most of our points about the right to struggle by simply saying that each person's simulation will reflect their own ideal world. At that point their own headspace would either allow them to struggle or not, and in fact it's essentially allowing them a more pure exercise of their own will than what the real world can offer.
>>3852291Yes, you are entirely right in that she said that her plan was to force everyone in. She didn't say why that was a requirement though, which is why I still think we can work together. If it's something reasonable like, she doesn't want someone outside to destroy the Cord we can work with that. She also might just be insane though, who knows.>Regardless of anything that happens though, I don't see any reason to tell her we wanna fight right now.This was partially directed at you, but also just a general statement. I can only tell you that your big speech comes across as "fight me right now if you don't 100% agree to stop what you're doing", I don't have your intentions or tone, only my interpretation.
Blarg, starting over. Got dissatisfied with my response and now I'm changing the whole thing up.
>>3851559(Also, I wanted to touch on this post from earlier; thank you for telling me about that. Gemma's been a character I've done a good bit of research into, as I wanted to make a compelling, multifaceted character without devolving into the stereotypes surrounding it. At the same time, I wanted to present at least a few of her alters as unwell individuals, while others still just wanted to live their own lives. In any case, I appreciate you sharing that.)
>>3852300she said she wants to try and get rid of humanites bad traits, she said that herself. thats literally impossible unless she forces it on them, it wont happen naturally. its more about the slippery slope, than whether she will do it right away. shes willing to force this on everyone, then she will be willing to force them to change. plus, its a matter of principle. who controls the simulation? her, us? what about interactions with others? at the end of it, someone has to be arbiter to some degree, and that means forcing things upon people, not in a physical way, but in very different mental ways. and no one has that right. plus, i strongly disagree anyone has a right to actually go into anyone elses head, and how else will you form their 'perfect simulation'? lets not ignore the human brain is not designed for perfection either. theres a limit too, as confined to the simulation, Humanity only has so much to work off of, and is now immortal. and with a different timeflow. it also refuses to admit to the reality that reality still exists, and people have a right, and hell a need, to be able to interact with it. i sure as damn well dont want to get eaten by ANOTHER, BIGGER space monster, and damn her to hell for saying i dont have a right to strive to stop that. really stop, it, for real, not in some damn simulation.her idea is nothing but bad, so long as it involves forcing even a single person to go along with it. and i disagree. ones mind does not work like reality, this is simple fact, not opinion. how you perceive even dreams or anything inside your head based solely on mental stored date over new, real sensation, is murky, cloudy, and simply not the same thing. your mind distorts things over time, and now you also have other people meddling with that? no, thats not right nor will it end well. nothing can beat the real world, its the real world, its what actually matters.
>>3852308we cant unless she changes her opinion on forcing everyone to enter, its as simple as that. shes the one saying its a requirement for her at the moment by saying she WILL force it on everyone, not us.well, thats not at all my intention nor do i agree its the tone. i mean, the last lines specifically an offer that we hope not to be enemies. though yes also an insult, which i can drop that part specifically if you think just>”No Deal, No Compromise. If you insist on forcing this upon everyone, then we will come to blows. Its as simple as that. If you try to force this upon Humanity, we will stop you, its as simple as that.”>”I only hope before we meet in the Cord you’ll have come to your senses and made the right choice here.but reworded as>”No Deal, No Compromise. If you insist on forcing this upon everyone, then we will come to blows. Its as simple as that. If you try to force this upon Humanity, we will stop you, its as simple as that.”>”I only hope before we meet in the Cord you’ll have come to understand what i mean and made the right choice here."if that would help.
>>3852335Also, something I'm just not getting and why I keep restarting my own reply, is why she thinks it's necessary to be in a virtual world to get what she wants? If she has come to the conclusion that the Crucible's resources are without limit, why does she need a simulation? Crucible biomass is basically magic nanomachines, combine that with unlimited energy and matter and you can make the world a paradise in the physical as well. What's even the point? I get the sense that she's really just trying to run from physical reality for some reason, but I don't know how to draw out her real motivations without risking insulting her enough to provoke a fight.
>>3852335>>3852336theres also the point that no matter how you slice it, forcing people into there leaves them entirely at the whims of fate or whoevers in charge. we cannot exist in a virtual world without a physical object housing us, and removing their ability to they themselves, defend their vessel and their life, is simply wrong and in my opinion, unacceptable. the real world and the dangers everyone is under dont just disappear because you ignore it, and if people want ot be able to actually defend themselves and their loved ones from those threats? even if its an impossible looking one like a Crucible eater? they have every right to do so, and to take that away is to take their life from them, and make them slaves to your whims.>>3852338well, if we want to actually throw her under the moral bus, because she cant have as much control over the real world as she could over a simulation. she also cant edge and manipulate peoples simulations or consciousness into being her idealized version of humanity. reality is also uncontrollable and unisolated. you HAVE to interact with people and the world as it is, not how you want it. in my opinion, this is a very good thing for ones personal growth and the development of humanity. the temptation of a simulation to make things perfect, or even force them, and stagnate is a real and deadly possibility. reality exists and its gonna come for you, and running wont make you prepared for it.mind you, before others yell at me, im giving REASONS she could want a simulation over reality, not accusing her of actually having those reasons.
>>3852209>>3852034>Take a moment to collect your breath and think about your actions. Take about one minute to do so (two minutes in Yurei's overclocked brain) before walking up up to Yurei herself.>"Yurei. What you're proposing is basically the same things the Machines subjected Humanity to in 'The Matrix' series. A living static simulation, where you're the sole Architect of the simulation, you're here asking Neo to assent to your plan.">take a long deep breath, exhale out slowly. Yurei's increased processing speed will make it agonizingly slow in her POV.>"I refuse.">via Heart of the Swarm, have Gina, Rath, and Francine stand down, don't let them make any reactions.>immediately activate Neuromantic Lockdown mode on the Neurotic Halo, ignore Yurei's attempts to throw illusions, just keep going until you reach her, then throw a jack into the ground to terraform an actual chair. >"Yurei...please cut the sim. I know all of this is an illusion. The maids, the mansion, the food. There is no spoon. The curtain's been removed, Wizard of Oz. Your cigarette doesn't exist.">"You've been overclocking your brain, and I think it's been taking a very very heavy toll on your body. When did you last sleep? When did you last eat? When was the last time you hunted an amalgam? When was the last time you went out and socialized with other daughters and made actual connections with them? Or did you spend much of your perceived four years alone as a hermit?">Take Yurei's hand and gingerly clasp it in yours watch her react with physical pain from a simple arm gesture or take note of how skinny she looks. >"Look at yourself. And I mean take a very good look at yourself. You can barely stand, let alone get up and walk. Just sitting down makes you physically wince. You've been so focused on spending your biomass and health on putting up a grand display of influence and power with your abilities that you barely take care of yourself. Did you consult other people about your proposed grand plan? Have you reached out to other daughters and asked about their opinion? Or did you spend those 4 years alone constantly overclocking your brain to give yourself more 'time' to think to yourself?">"You speak of your plan in such broad strokes that I can't help but see the errors in your coding. It's too good to be true for me. It just feels too good to be true, even if it's possible."(1/2)
>>3852351>>3852209>>3852034>"You say the Crucible is doomed to fail. You say Humanity is doomed to succumb to their vices in this Crucible.">"Then why is it here on planet earth? Then why are we here? How can you explain the 776 iterations of the Crucible? If you say the Crucible was doomed to fail then the Crucible should've died at iteration #1!" >Let me tell you this. The Crucible has evolved. With each cycle it advances a little further, becomes more sophisticated, it refines itself because of the past winners of species past. The Tindalos Hounds? They gave us the Skintalkers and the broken 13th class. The Hexane? they gave us the waypoints, the vaults, the Hexane halos. Another past species gave us the Forges and the Forge Cores. And another gave us the Sparagmos Engines. Each little iteration of the Crucible, the species subjected to the Crucible used the gifts leftover from the past to attempt to conquer the Crucible and stop the cycle. And if they fail? they give the future a better chance to conquer it with what they've left behind.>"heh...I sound like a fool. Maybe despite my efforts humanity will still be consumed for breakfast when someone other than me reaches the big chair in the sky. But at least we will give the next alien race a better chance at conquering this giant space parasite. We'll leave behind our nuclear legacy with Radiant Damage, We'll leave behind the tools of our ingenuity with The Disassociated Ones Technology, We'll leave a message that tells the future participants: 'We may have failed, but we've given you a better chance to stop the Crucible cycle. Do your best.'(2/3)
>>>3852342>we cannot exist in a virtual world without a physical object housing us, and removing their ability to they themselves, defend their vessel and their life, is simply wrong and in my opinion, unacceptable. the real world and the dangers everyone is under dont just disappear because you ignore it, and if people want ot be able to actually defend themselves and their loved ones from those threats? even if its an impossible looking one like a Crucible eater? they have every right to do so, and to take that away is to take their life from them, and make them slaves to your whims.Yeah, that's always been my problem with the Lotus-Eater Machine scenario. I don't have an inherent opposition to virtual reality, I don't think it's necessarily less meaningful than the physical world, but I get freaked out at the idea of being completely motionless and helpless. At least give me the ability to pilot drones in the real world so I can repair my server or fend off intruders or relocate the system. But Yurei's plan is to go into low power mode (which kind of conflicts with her "we'll have as much processing power as we could want" idea) and just hope nothing happens while we're hiding.>well, if we want to actually throw her under the moral bus, because she cant have as much control over the real world as she could over a simulation. she also cant edge and manipulate peoples simulations or consciousness into being her idealized version of humanity. reality is also uncontrollable and unisolated.I think that last one is the only one that really requires a virtual world. Between Phantasmal Conduit augmented reality and biomass rearranging itself, the physical world can be made to be more or less whatever we want. And with enough Neuromancy I think you can probably edit people's minds even in meatspace. I think the only value to a virtual reality in this setting is that you can isolate yourself away from the world and only interact with it on your terms. Which suggests to me that maybe something or someone hurt Yurei and she's running from that loss of control. Would fit with how Cores tend to give some level of wish fulfillment.
>>3852353>>3852351>>3852209>>3852034>Stand up, let go of her hand, look at her square in the eye. >"Your plan in essence requires putting everyone in stasis and overlaying that with a simulation with an overseer that overlooks all and manages the errors. You're asking us to swap one simulated world of decay for another with you becoming another "Mother", another 'monster of logic' like the Crucible's hard coding. I refuse to go with that plan, not with you insisting on forcibly dragging everyone into 'The Matrix' and purging anyone whom you disapprove of.">*heave a deep sigh, then kneel back down, maintain eye contact.*>"Yurei. I'll be honest with you. I don't dislike your plan. It's got some parts that i like, but there's also some parts of your proposed 'code' that I think needs peer review and reiteration. If you're really up for recruiting me into this proposal of yours. Take care of your body first. Get some sleep. Get some food. Find some friends to hangout and chat with. Go hunt some amalgams and feed that hunger you've been suppressing for so long, take a walk. Watch a match at Golgotha. Do something other than...this. Just... enjoy life on the Crucible for a few days. Life here is surprisingly comfy from a certain point of view. I've heard the Disassociated Ones are planning to launch their Arkship-Rocket in Four days, that's eight days with your increased perception speed. Why don't you take some time off and go witness the Rocket Launch? A group of humans are attempting a way out despite all their flaws and the tribulations they've endured. Do all of that, and get some perspective of life in real-time before reviewing your plan. Then come and see me. But your plan as it is in its current iteration and as you are right now? I can't agree to that."
>>3852354>>3852342Any feedback on my response to Yurei?
>>3852358Oh, sorry, I got distracted. Let me finish reading it.
>>3852353the Hexxane gave us the Forges and Engines too.>>3852351>>3852353>>3852355first, im pretty sure at least the other Daughters around are real. friends of hers? arguable, but she certainly inst interacting with nobody. that also, id hope, implies others have at least possibly discussed it with her to some degree, but could be wrong on that part sure.i also really dont like the tone of it. fair if mines a bit harsh, but yours feels way to soft, and i vehemently think most or at least alot of the information i said needs to be addressed, yours just feels like its brushing off the actual argument in place of acting like shes a child who cant take care of herself. I also feel we need to be more firm on being against it and why, not sound like we're already caving into it a bit. even if it is just the forceful part of the plan we dont like(which really is the point of contention), its a very big and very major one i think we need to be firm about. make it clear we aren't budging on that. iit also feels a bit like it undermines the fact that even if we dont agree with her plan, she still does have points about something needing to be done and some solution to be made, and the work and efforts shes put towards that.im also not a fan of forcing back our allies. doesn't feel like Shu in my opinion. we should trust them enough to let us talk.im also not a fan of direct references, always feels way too cheesy, like one cant think for themselves when i read them.the part about comparing her to mothers absolutely solid though. ill have to find where to put that one in mine.and while i dont think you're wrong, it is still making assumptions on her state of consumption and some other things. i get it, and its not bad, but it feels like its an excuse to not discuss the actual points, in my opinion.
>>3852366Yeah, I kind of agree. I feels a bit condescending towards Yurei, honestly, and given that she likely has issues relating to control I doubt that's a smart move to make with her. I'm worried she'd just come away from it feeling insulted. And, as you said, it doesn't really address the problems we have with Yurei's plan so much as try to talk past them. I like the idea of trying to establish a rapport with her, but I don't think this is the way to do it.
>>3852034>>3852194>>3852195Second Draft;>Take a moment, eyes closed, to collect yourself. Then, snap your eyes to her, and meet them head on, as you send your Halo into isolation mode to try and break past any illusions or other tricks.>”Id lose the entire world, to give it its rightful chance to be itself and succeed on its own terms, than give it over to someone like you and their idealized illusions.”>”We are human. You, me, everyone out there fighting, everyone locked up in the Cord. Human. Not Gods, Human. And no Human has the right to play god, to decide alone what is best for everyone. We’re Human, we’re flawed, but that's what lets us grow, what makes us able to be more than our baser selves.”>”Yes, id lose people, id have them suffer, feel pain, loss, hurt. But i'd lose them to life, by their side, struggling alongside them. Because those things are human, those things are important, those things help us grow just as much as anything else.”>”People grow through the negative just as much as the positive. Id say more actually. Loss, pain, misery, it is these that make us strive for more, to do better, to BE better, just as much as anything good. Good leads to complacency, to sloth, to stagnation. It can lead to cruelty through ignorance and complacency.” >”And those things? Kindness? Virtue? Charity? Friendship? Those only matter, because we have the freedom to do differently. Because we have the free will to choose, to do harm to others, to betray them, to push them away or push them below us. Our choice to be good matters because we can do evil, has substance because of the weight of doing wrong.”>”and those negative traits? Those things you hate and fear? Those ARE us, those ARE humanity. A part of us. A part we need, just like the positive. Without it, we aren't human, we lose a part of what makes us, us. And to lose one's humanity, no, to force one to lose it, there is no crueler thing one can do to another.”>”I don't care that you don't have hope for humanity, that you can't look at our struggles and see we have, time and time again, lifted eachother up just as much as some push others down. It's not about if im repeating a cycle, that doesn't matter. It's not my choice to force everyone to break it, no one has that right but individuals to break their own. There's hope, Hope in who Humanity is, not who you wish it was. Hope even in our darkest times, hope even in some of the darkest minds. We, Humanity, who we are, will make something of ourselves, or we will fail. But we will do it Freely, as who we are, here, not captive as slaves your or anyone else's idealistic vision for what you wish to force everyone to be.”(1/2)
>>3852378>>3852034>”And there is hope, hope to evolve, hope to advance, so long as we fight and strive and struggle forward. Yes, the things out there, the eater of world eaters, are daunting, terrifying. But to run away and not strive to beat that? That's cowardice. And to deny others their natural right to strive and suffer and struggle to overcome that is too. Why should we all be forced to cower in fear like you? Why shouldn't those who wish to try and find a way to overcome such an obstacle, to live beyond such a threat? There isn't one, as even if all you care about is survival, that's it. That our best chance. To not ignore reality, to not run away from what is real, what your neuromantic illusions can never change. >”Our right as living creatures to fight any threat to our survival and our way of life? to protect ourselves and our loved ones? To take that away is to take ones life away from them, to control them, to leave them vulnerable to die to the cruelty of reality that you cannot stop.”>”You would shackle Humanity in your own lies, your own twisted version of what you want humanity to be, instead of letting it decide what it will be. You would force it to have no chance to fail or grow, to be better or worse, but make them slaves to stagnation. You would remove part of what makes us us just so you can pat yourself on the back and say you, someone with no hope for humanity, somehow is in any way a good choice for who should decide what we should be. You would be a dictator to children you refuse to let be adults, instead of being a guide to adults to let them find their own way.”>”You would become another Mother, arbitering our world and lives to your or anothers whims, another creature just like the Crucible, who thinks they know best for us.”>”No Deal, No Compromise. If you insist on forcing this upon everyone, then we will come to blows. Its as simple as that, even if i wish it to not be what comes to pass. But If you try to force this upon Humanity, we will stop you, you have my word on that.”>”I only hope before we meet in the Cord you’ll have come to understand what i mean and made the right choice here. For yourself as much as for humanity."(2/2)
>>3852380>”You would become another Mother, arbitering our world and lives to your or anothers whims, another creature just like the Crucible, who thinks they know best for us.”One suggestion: replace 'creature just like the Crucible' with 'monster of logic like the Crucible's code'. The creature thing she'll brush off. calling her a monster of her own vices hence 'monster of logic' and comparing it to a cold logical being like the Crucible would drive home the comparison.
>>3852385sounds good. we'll see what other thoughts might get presented, but im fine with the change, incase im not back in time to link that to BHOP or dont post a third draft.
>>3852378 Here's my edit.>”I don't care that you don't have hope for humanity, that you can't look at our struggles and see we have, time and time again, lifted each other up just as much as some push others down. It's not about if im repeating a cycle, that doesn't matter. It's not my choice to force everyone to break it, no one has that right but individuals to break their own. There's hope, Hope in who Humanity is, not who you wish it was. Hope even in our darkest times, hope even in some of the darkest minds. We, Humanity, who we are, will make something of ourselves, or we will fail. But we will do it freely, as who we are, here, not captive as slaves your or anyone else's idealistic vision for what you wish to force everyone to be.”>And if we fail? At least we will give the next alien race a better chance at conquering this giant space parasite in the next iteration. We leave behind our nuclear legacy with the advent of Radiant Damage for them to fight with, We leave behind the tools of our ingenuity with The Disassociated Ones Technology for them to exploit, We'll leave a message for the future participants telling them: 'We may have failed, but we've given you a better chance to stop the Crucible cycle. Do your best.'This edit is to emphasize on our optimism that even though if we fail, we show that we have hope in the future that the next participants would pick up the torch carry on in our stead. >>3852380>”You would shackle Humanity in your own lies, your own version of what you want humanity to be, instead of letting it decide what it will be. You would force it to have no chance to fail or grow, to be better or worse, but make them slaves to stagnation. You would remove part of what makes us us just so you can pat yourself on the back and say you, someone with no hope for humanity, somehow is in any way a good choice for who should decide what we should be. You would be a dictator to children you refuse to let be adults, instead of being a guide to adults to let them find their own way.”insert the following>"You would have us trade a stagnating prison of the Crucible's design for another of your own design."this is to break down her central plan by comparing it to the Crucible's overall design.
>>3852414im fine with both of these. im feeling the late hours though, so ill post before votings up, but wait and see what others say before posting my final draft.have a good night all yall.
>>3852428I'm making a draft of my own using your latest draft and touching up some parts of it. So I'll post it soon.
>>3852414Yeah, that's pretty good. I'm starting to crash, myself. I've been writing and rewriting my own reply, and I keep almost hitting on what I want to say before starting over. This is not my night for writing. If I can't come up with something soon, I'll probably just support your reply.
>>3852034>Take a moment, eyes closed, to collect yourself. Then, snap your eyes to her, and meet them head on, as you send your Halo into isolation mode to try and break past any illusions or other tricks. Have Rath and Gina do the same thing by setting their Halos to Isolation mode. In Francine's case, have Gina insert a Neurojack into Francine in order to bring the Doctor under the protection of the Neurotic Halo's Isolation effects.>”I'd rather lose the entire world, to give it its rightful chance to be itself and succeed on its own terms, than give it over to someone like you and their ideal delusions.”>”We are human. You, me, everyone out there fighting, everyone locked up in the Cord. Human. Mortal. finite. Not as Gods. And no Human has the right to play god, to decide alone what is best for everyone. We’re Human, we’re flawed, but that's what lets us grow, evolve, and become more than our baser selves.”>”Yes, I would lose people, I would have them suffer, feel pain, loss, hurt. But I would lose them to life, by their side, struggling alongside them. Because those things are human, those things are important, those things help us grow just as much as anything else.”>”People grow through the negative just as much as the positive. Id say more actually. Loss, pain, misery, it is these that make us strive for more, to do better, to BE better, to strive for perfection yet never reach it. Perfection leads to complacency, to sloth, to stagnation. It can lead to cruelty through ignorance and complacency.” >”Those Virtues that we have? Kindness? Charity? Friendship? Those matter, because we have the freedom to do differently. Because we have the free will to choose, to do harm to others, to betray them, to push them away or push them below us. Our choice to be good matters because we can do evil, has substance because of the weight of doing wrong.”>”Those vices we have? Those things you hate and fear? Those ARE us, those ARE humanity. A part of us. A part we need, just like the positive. Without it, we lose a part of what makes us, us. We lose the value of the virtues we covet. And to lose one's humanity, no, to force one to lose it, there is no crueler thing one can do to another.”>”I don't care that you don't have hope for humanity, that you can't look at our struggles and see we have, time and time again, lifted each other up just as much as some push others down. It's not about if im repeating a cycle, that doesn't matter. It's not my choice to force everyone to break it, no one has that right but individuals to break their own. There's hope, Hope in who Humanity is, not who you wish it was. Hope even in our darkest times, hope even in some of the darkest minds. We, Humanity, who we are, will make something of ourselves, or we will fail. But we will do it freely, as who we are, here, not captive as slaves your or anyone else's idealistic vision for what you wish to force everyone to be.”(1/2)
>>3852450>>3852034>"And if we fail? At least we will give the next alien race a better chance at conquering this giant space parasite in the next iteration. We leave behind our nuclear legacy with the advent of Radiant Damage for them to fight with, We leave behind the tools of our ingenuity with The Disassociated Ones Technology for them to exploit, We'll leave a message for the future participants telling them: 'We may have failed, but we've given you a better chance to stop the Crucible cycle. Do your best.'">”There is hope, hope to evolve, hope to advance, so long as we fight and strive and struggle forward. Yes, the things out there, the eater of world eaters, are daunting, terrifying. But to run away and not strive to beat that? That's cowardice. And to deny others their natural right to strive and suffer and struggle to overcome that is too. Why should we all be forced to cower in fear like you? Why shouldn't those who wish to try and find a way to overcome such an obstacle, to live beyond such a threat? There isn't one, as even if all you care about is survival, that's it. That our best chance. To not ignore reality, to not run away from what is real, what your neuromantic illusions can never change. >”Our right as living creatures to fight any threat to our survival and our way of life? to protect ourselves and our loved ones? To take that away is to take ones life away from them, to control them, to leave them vulnerable to die to the cruelty of the reality that you cannot stop.”>”You would shackle Humanity in your own lies, your own version of what you want humanity to be, instead of letting it decide what it will be. You would force it to make humanity a slave to stagnation, instead of giving humanity a chance to improve for better or worse. You would remove part of what makes us us just so you can pat yourself on the back and say "good job" to yourself heedless of the consequences or consent. You would be a dictator to children you refuse to let be adults, instead of being a guide to adults to let them find their own way.”>"You would have us trade a stagnating prison of the Crucible's design for another prison of your design.">”You would become another Mother, ruling our world and lives to the whims of yours or another daughter's, another 'Monster of Logic' just like the Crucible's code, who thinks they know what's best for us.”>”I refuse to go with your plan. No deal, no compromises. If you insist on forcing this upon everyone, then we will come to blows. Its as simple as that, even if i wish it to not be what comes to pass. But If you try to force this upon Humanity, we will stop you, you have my word on that.”>”I only hope before we meet in the Cord you’ll have come to understand what i mean and made the right choice here. For yourself as much as for humanity."(2/2)This is the latest draft that I wrote based off of editing the draft of >>3852378 and >>3852380>>3852437>>3852428feedback welcomed
>>3852452I think that "lies" might be a little bit too accusatory. Maybe "dreams" works better, because it sounds less harsh but has the added connotation of the virtual world being inconsequential.
>>3852452>>3852450>>3852034Amending vote for grammar correction of the following statements:From: >”I'd rather lose the entire world, to give it its rightful chance to be itself and succeed on its own terms, than give it over to someone like you and their ideal delusions.”To:>”I'd rather lose the entire world, to give it its rightful chance to be itself and succeed on its own terms, than give it over to someone like you and their fantasy dreamworld.”From:>”You would shackle Humanity in your own lies, your own version of what you want humanity to be, instead of letting it decide what it will be. You would force it to make humanity a slave to stagnation, instead of giving humanity a chance to improve for better or worse. You would remove part of what makes us us just so you can pat yourself on the back and say "good job" to yourself heedless of the consequences or consent. You would be a dictator to children you refuse to let be adults, instead of being a guide to adults to let them find their own way.”To:>”You would shackle Humanity in your own dreamscape, your own version of what you want humanity to be, instead of letting it decide what it will be. You would force it to make humanity a slave to stagnation, instead of giving humanity a chance to improve for better or worse. You would remove part of what makes us us just so you can pat yourself on the back and say "good job" to yourself heedless of the consequences or consent. You would be a dictator to children you refuse to let be adults, instead of being a guide to adults to let them find their own way.”
>>3852250Carl Sagan. Hippie, Astrologist, Scientist. The guy who penned "Cosmos" and "Pale blue Dot".https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wupToqz1e2g
>>3852473Astronomer, thank you very much.
>>3852328You're welcome BHOP. Thank you for doing the research. I had hopes that Gemma was going to figure integration out, and it blinded me to her poor handling of her dissociation into separate people. They need help Shu & crew just can't give, and now she's inside of Shu's family. I'm so sorry for Julia, this is going to be damn hard.
>>3852450Maybe edit the section of >”We are human. You, me, everyone out there fighting, everyone locked up in the Cord. Human. Mortal. finite. Not as Gods. And no Human has the right to play god, to decide alone what is best for everyone. We’re Human, we’re flawed, but that's what lets us grow, evolve, and become more than our baser selves.” to>”We are human. You, me, everyone out there fighting, everyone locked up in the Cord. Human. Mortal. finite. You would make yourself a god deciding what is good and what is bad in humans. And no Human has the right to play god, to decide alone what is best for everyone. We’re Human, we’re flawed, but that's what lets us grow, evolve, and become more than our baser selves.”>>3852452>”I refuse to go with your plan. No deal, no compromises. If you insist on forcing this upon everyone, then in the future we will come to blows. Its as simple as that, even if i wish it to not be what comes to pass. But If you try to force this upon Humanity, we will stop you, you have my word on that.”Tell her that we have no desire to fight her right now but we will interfere when she tries to realize her plansOther than very minor additions (which i think are mostly personal taste) i think this is quite good all in all, especially with the edits you made later
>>3852034I guess to make my vote officialI will support this write-in >>3852450>>3852452 with the writers ammendments from >>3852460and if it is okay OP then i would like my own ammendments written down here>>3852752to also be included
>>3852044while votings technically over, if BHOP doesn't mind im gonna compile the finalized version together from everyone's thoughts on it and post it for ease of use still, with possible just minor tweaks only if some sections need it to flow into eachother a bit better.
>>3852034Final Draft;>Take a moment, eyes closed, to collect yourself. Then, snap your eyes to her, and meet them head on, as you and the others send your Halo into isolation mode.>No tricks, no illusions, only you and her.>”I'd rather lose the entire world, to give it its rightful chance to be itself and succeed on its own terms, than give it over to someone like you and their fantasy dreamworld.”>”We are human. You, me, everyone out there fighting, everyone locked up in the Cord. Human. Mortal. Finite. Yet you would make yourself a god deciding alone what is good and what is bad in humans. And no Human has the right to play god, to decide alone what is best for everyone. We’re Human, we’re flawed, but that's what lets us grow, evolve, and become more than our baser selves.”>”Yes, id lose people, id have them suffer, feel pain, loss, hurt. But i'd lose them to life, by their side, struggling alongside them. Because those things are human, those things are important, those things help us grow just as much as anything else.”>”People grow through the negative just as much as the positive. Id say more actually. Loss, pain, misery, it is these that make us strive for more, to do better, to BE better, just as much as anything good. Good leads to complacency, to sloth, to stagnation. It can lead to cruelty through ignorance and complacency.” >”Those Virtues that we have? Kindness? Charity? Friendship? Those only matter, because we have the freedom to do differently. Because we have the free will to choose, to do harm to others, to betray them, to push them away or push them below us. Our choice to be good matters because we can do evil, has substance because of the weight of doing wrong.”>”and those negative traits? Those things you hate and fear? Those ARE us, those ARE humanity. A part of us. A part we need, just like the positive. Without it, we aren't human, we lose a part of what makes us, us. And to lose one's humanity, no, to force one to lose it, there is no crueler thing one can do to another.”>”I don't care that you don't have hope for humanity, that you can't look at our struggles and see we have, time and time again, lifted each other up just as much as some push others down. It's not about if im repeating a cycle, that doesn't matter. It's not my choice to force everyone to break it, no one has that right but individuals to break their own. There's hope, Hope in who Humanity is, not who you wish it was. Hope even in our darkest times, hope even in some of the darkest minds. We, Humanity, who we are, will make something of ourselves, or we will fail. But we will do it freely, as who we are, here, not captive as slaves your or anyone else's idealistic vision for what you wish to force everyone to be.”(1/2)
>>3852845>>3852034>And if we fail? At least we will give the next alien race a better chance at overcoming their Crucible in the next iteration. We leave behind our nuclear legacy with the advent of Radiant Energy, We leave behind the tools of our ingenuity with The Disassociated Ones Technology, We'll leave a message for the future participants telling them: 'We may have failed, but we've given you a better chance to stop the Crucible cycle. Do your best.'>”And there is hope, hope to evolve, hope to advance, so long as we fight and strive and struggle forward. Yes, the things out there, the eater of world eaters, are daunting, terrifying. But to run away and not strive to beat that? That's cowardice. And to deny others their natural right to strive and suffer and struggle to overcome that is too. Why should we all be forced to cower in fear like you? Why shouldn't those who wish to try and find a way to overcome such an obstacle, to live beyond such a threat not be allowed to? There isn't one, as even if all you care about is survival, that's it. That our best chance. To not ignore reality, to not run away from what is real, what your neuromantic illusions can never change.>”Our right as living creatures to fight any threat to our survival and our way of life? to protect ourselves and our loved ones? To take that away is to take one's life away from them, to control them, to leave them vulnerable to die to the cruelty of the reality that you cannot stop.”>”You would shackle Humanity in your own lies, your own twisted version of what you want humanity to be, instead of letting it decide what it will be. You would force it to have no chance to fail or grow, to be better or worse, but make them slaves to stagnation. You would remove part of what makes us us just so you can pat yourself on the back and say ‘good job’ to yourself heedless of the consequences or consent. You, someone with no hope for who humanity actually is, You would be a dictator to children you refuse to let be adults, instead of being a guide to adults to let them find their own way.”>"You would have us trade a stagnating prison of the Crucible's design for another prison of your design.">”You would become another Mother, arbitering our world and lives to your or anothers whims, another monster of logic like the Crucible's code, who thinks they know best for us.”>”I refuse to go with your plan. No deal, no compromises. If you insist on forcing this upon everyone, then we will come to blows. Its as simple as that, even if i wish it to not be what comes to pass. But If you try to force this upon Humanity, we will stop you, you have my word on that.”>”I only hope before we meet in the Cord you’ll have come to understand what i mean and made the right choice here. For yourself as much as for humanity."(2/2)
>>3852820(I don't mind in the least. In fact, I appreciate yoy taking the time to do that so it's much easier to make everything flow when I set to write.)
>>3852847>>3852845>>3852034One Final amendment:>Flare out that empathy field. Set it to maximum range. Broadcast your answer to Yurei and let all the daughters listen in to the conversation via empathetic connection.
>>3852034You take a moment, eyes closed, to collect yourself. Then, with a flicker of green light just above your heart, your Neurotic Halo flares to life in time with those of your allies’, purging your vision of the illusions your host has manifested around you. Yurei’s eyes go wide as she realizes what you possess, as her illusions bleed from reality to leave the five of you sitting around an empty space, in a dim and dusty mansion. Flaring the empathic field to bring the entire building in its wake, the reality of the place becomes all too clear. It’s a broken, shambling place whose walls are on the verge of collapse, and at the heart of it is the woman who’d make all of existence a lie.”I'd rather lose the entire world, to give it its rightful chance to be itself and succeed on its own terms than give it over to someone like you and their fantasy.” You begin, watching the gears turn in Yurei’s mind as she realizes what you’re doing. ”We are human. You, me, everyone out there fighting, everyone locked up in the Cord. Human. Mortal. Finite. Yet you would make yourself a god deciding alone what is good and bad…and no Human has the right to play god, to decide alone what is best for everyone. We’re Human, we’re flawed, but that's what lets us grow, evolve, and become more than our baser selves.”“You’d let your friends and family suffer in the hope that there may be some chance for something good to come out of their pain?” Yurei counters, unblinking.”Yes” You say simply. “I’d lose people, I’d have them suffer, feel pain, loss, hurt. But I’d lose them to life, by their side, struggling alongside them. Because those things are human, those things are important, those things help us grow just as much as anything else. People grow through the negative just as much as the positive. I’d say more actually. Loss, pain, misery…it’s these that make us strive for more, to do better, to BE better, just as much as anything good. Having nothing but good leads to complacency, to sloth, to cruelty through ignorance and stagnation.”“I beg to differ.” Yurei interjects coolly. “Loss and misery drag us down, keeping us from embracing the virtues we could attain in favor of continuing man’s inhumanity to man.””Those Virtues that we have? Kindness? Charity? Friendship? Those only matter, because we have the freedom to do differently.” You reply, your mouth a hard line. “Because we have the free will to choose, to do harm to others, to betray them, to push them below us. Our choice to be good matters because we can do evil, because of the weight of doing wrong. And those negative traits? Those things you hate and fear? Those ARE us, those ARE humanity. A part of us. A part we need, just like the positive. Without it, we aren't human, we lose a part of what makes us, us. And to lose one's humanity, no, to force one to lose it, there is no crueler thing one can do to another.”(Continued)
>>3853067”I don't care that you don't have hope for humanity, that you can't look at our struggles and see we have, time and time again, lifted each other up just as much as some push others down.” You continue, glancing between Gina, Rath, and Francine as you do so. “It's not about repeating a cycle, that doesn't matter. It's not my choice to force everyone to break it, no one has that right but individuals to break their own. There's hope, hope in who humanity is, not who you wish it was. Hope even in our darkest times, hope even in some of the darkest minds. We, humanity, who we are, will make something of ourselves, or we will fail. But we will do it freely, as who we are, here, not captive as slaves to your or anyone else's idealistic vision for what you wish to force everyone to be.”“My plan has no room for error, while yours has one foot in the grave, Defiant.” Yurei coldly remarks, crossing her legs as she stares into your eyes. “You succeed, or you fail…and failure is inevitable, where humanity is concerned.”“If we fail, then at least we will give the next alien race a better chance at overcoming their Crucible in the next iteration. We leave behind our nuclear legacy with the advent of Radiant Energy, we leave behind the tools of our ingenuity with The Disassociated Ones, and we'll leave a message for the future participants telling them: 'We may have failed, but we've given you a better chance to stop the Crucible cycle. Do your best.' There is hope, Yurei. Hope to evolve, hope to advance, so long as we fight and strive and struggle forward. Yes, the things out there, the eater of world eaters, are daunting, terrifying. But to run away and not strive to beat that? That's cowardice. And to deny others their natural right to strive and suffer and struggle to overcome that is too. Why should we all be forced to cower in fear like you? Why shouldn't those who wish to try and find a way to overcome such an obstacle, to live beyond such a threat not be allowed to? There isn't one, as even if all you care about is survival, that's it. That our best chance. To not ignore reality, to not run away from what is real, what your neuromantic illusions can never change. Our right as living creatures to fight any threat to our survival and our way of life? To protect ourselves and our loved ones? To take that away is to take one's life away from them, to control them, to leave them vulnerable to die to the cruelty of the reality that you cannot stop.”(Continued)
>>3853068When you rise from your chair, your family rises with you as you continue to hold Yurei’s gaze, unbroken.“You would shackle Humanity in your own lies, your own twisted version of what you want humanity to be, instead of letting it decide what it will be. You would force it to have no chance to fail or grow, to be better or worse, but make them slaves to stagnation. You would remove part of what makes us, US, just so you can pat yourself on the back and say ‘good job’ to yourself heedless of the consequences or consent. You, someone with no hope for who humanity actually is.”“You’re a dictator, man.” Rath adds with a weary shrug. “People would just be kids you refuse to let be adults, instead of letting them grow.”"You would have us trade a stagnating prison of the Crucible's design for another one crafted by your hands." Francine sighs, gently folding her arms with an air of disappointment. “That’s not freedom, Darling. Not by a long shot.””You’d become another Mother, honestly.” Gina concludes, placing her hand on the small of your back as she addresses your host. “You’d be judge, jury, and executioner according to unfeeling law, another monster of logic like the Crucible's code, who thinks they know best for us.””I refuse to go with your plan, Yurei. No deal, no compromises. If you insist on forcing this upon everyone, then we will come to blows. It’s as simple as that, even if I wish it to not be what comes to pass. But if you try to force this upon Humanity, we will stop you, you have my word on that.” You finish, watching Yurei close her eyes as she inhales a deep, shuddering breath. ”I only hope before we meet in the Cord you’ll have come to understand what I mean and made the right choice here. For yourself as much as for humanity."Silence.For a long, quiet moment, Yurei weighs your words before she slowly exhales.“Disappointing…but not unexpected.” She finally says, rising from her chair with some effort before locking eyes with you once more. She looks almost sad as she continues to speak. “Maybe it was too much to ask for you to see what I’m trying to do…or maybe you’re too young. Maybe you haven’t lost, like I have. In any case, it seems that by your own admission we are doomed to come to blows.”She glances down at your chest, at a spot just over your heart.“I didn’t know you had the Neurotic Halo, until just now.” She breathes, and a chill runs down your hive. “I’d thought I’d have to come to blows with Doctor West to seize the Phantasmal one, but…here it is. A year ago, maybe less, and I’d have torn it out of your chest where you stand to help make my hope for humanity come to pass…”Gina and Rath are in front of you in an instant with Francine tense at your side, one gloved hand on your shoulder as you feel the air sizzle with murderous intent.“…but I’m no monster, Shu.”(Continued)
>>3853070Yurei groans, placing one pale hand on the back of her neck as you hear something pop.“I’m not a monster, and I’m a woman of my word.” She repeats, rolling her head one way, then another. “My Forge is yours to use, as is the engine. However, my grace as a host extends to the moment you leave my property, or if you decide to make trouble here, and now.”She opens her eyes again, with no hint of tension, no trace of fear in them as she meets your gaze one last time.“I’m going to have the Halos, one way or another. You’ve resigned yourself to oppose me, and that’s fine.” She dismisses, a cold, stalwart confidence emanating from her tone. “We’ll come to blows, and I will win. And then I’ll take you with me, and your Halo, I’ll show you that my plan will lead us to the best of humanity. You’ll be able to live there, too. All of you. You may think you’re right, but your trust in the future you seek is terribly misplaced. People like you will lead us to ruin, while I know I will lead us to something better. I hope you see that, when we next meet.”You can hear Rath’s jaw tighten as her skin radiates a furious heat, and Francine’s trying to pull you back with one hand as her hand begins to unwravel in anticipation of a struggle. Through the field, you can sense simple resignation and disappointment flowing from Yurei, but there’s no combative intent in her heart…at least, not now.“If you think I want to fight right now, you’re wrong. I’m a woman of my word, Shu. I keep my promises. When I come for your Halo, just remember…”She just fixes you with a small, sad smile.“…you chose this.”>>You’ll be damned if you’re going to be looking over your shoulder for Yurei. If she insists on pursuing you for your Halo, then you may as well take her here and now. No one threatens your family. (Initiate Combat)>>Offer to duplicate your Halo, to remove at least one point of conflict. You may be forced to come to blows…but it doesn’t have to be today.>>Take her offer, and leave. Given your surveillance network, you’re confident you’ll be able to see her coming…and you’ll be ready, with your entire family ready to defend themselves.>>Write-InYOU ARE IN CONTROL
(Gentlemen, voting shall remain open for the next two hours. Apologies for the delay, as it's been a busy morning.)
>>3853072>Return her disappointed look "And i am sad that we will have to come to blows in the future. And I am sad that you have no faith in the adaptability and tenacity of humaninity">"Is the Waystation still consideredd your property?" Leave depending on the answer. We will not come to blows with her here. We will meet with the Barbers and tellt hem that we will be going oout since our presence will not be allowed much longer.>If the Waysation is part of her mansion we use it and then immediatly afterwards teleport home>If the Waystation is not then we will teleport out using the gear before leaving the mansions doors
>>3853074When is it ever not busy at your workplace.Dont worry about it
>>3853088(The Waystation in considered her property, so she will not harass you until well after you've left.)
>>3853072>You’ll be damned if you’re going to be looking over your shoulder for Yurei. If she insists on pursuing you for your Halo, then you may as well take her here and now. No one threatens your family. >With you and the Rest giving cover, toss Francine the Gear with one commandment. "Get the rest of our family here."look, guys. i get it. its a bit harsh, its a bit of a spit in the face, ill fully admit it... but she cannot be allowed to win. she cant be allowed to impede us. think about all our problems, all our enemies, both known and unknown. think about all the things we still have to overcome... and she will be at our back, hounding us, trailing us, forcing our hand and impeding our progress. She's an enemy, one who is too far gone. shes another West, another woman who thinks she knows best for everyone, and would do anything, hurt anyone, to do what she thinks is right. how many people will she kill, or trick, or sacrifice if we leave now? how many times will we be too late to save someone or prevent something, because she got in the way? i get it, its going to be a tough fight and its a tough pill to swallow... but we have the chance, now, to stop her. finally a chance to put an enemy, a problem, down first, on our own terms, instead of waiting for it to find us. and if we wait? it'll only be more difficult to beat her later. we gave her a chance, and we tried to reason with her. for once, its time we did something proactive to help humanity, and solved a problem before it forces us to solve it.
>>3853088i dont think leaving her sitting rounds a good idea, but regardless, if we are going to leave, we should at least give word to the Barbers so we can still converse with them elsewhere.but i think not solving this problem now would be a mistake, and it WILL bite us in the ass to let her go.
>>3853095bhop. didn't we vote to have Shu consume the Pandoric Script that we picked up in vein#29? The relic that makes Shu's intention's unreadable?
>>3853107>>3853095pretty sure we did. id also like to know if that should be counted as a new passive sorta on her sheet, as its a permanent addition?
>>3853098I am not sure it is a good idea to fight her now. We are a tthe center of her power. She has probably quite a few daughters here that are under her control.I dont think this is a fight that if we picked right now would be one we could win.The barbers might feel obligated to fight against us as guests of Yurei and the Hyenas are here as well as well as probably quite a few constructs of hers>>3853102I get where you are coming from but consider where our family is. They are at Laoc and we cant get to them that easily. And we are definetly outnumbered.Fair point ont he barbers. I thought my writing implied us wanting to meet them elswhere but fair enoughI dont like having her sit around and potentially crossing us but there might be little choice>>3853095Do we have a grasp on how many daughters loyal to Yurei are in the vicinity?
>>3853107(Indeed, and it should list as a passive, for simplicity's sake.)>>3853111(There are eight maids, as well as Ivey and her Hyenas.)
>>3853113Are there any guests that Yurei hasn't recruited? Where do the Barbers lie in their allegiances?
>>3853118(Most guests would flee, while the Barbers would be a bit of a toss-up for spoiler reasons.)
>>3853111she isnt anymore powerful here than elsewhere. no matter when or where we fight her, she will have allies. hell, we might never get a chance to fight her even this properly again, she'll only get more allies, more influence, more power, but next time, instead of being here, with her forces scattered, and many possibly on the fence, next time, anyone left at her side will be committed to her cause, and their numbers will have grown.our family might take longer than we like but so will her reaction and her forces to respond. we will never, ever, have another chance even close to this good to hit her hard and hit hr as weak as she is. and if we dont? people will suffer, people will be sacrificed, our family will be hunted and even possibly killed. our goals will be hindered and our allies possibly killed while we cant help them. people like her dont play games. we're an enemy, and worse, we have something she wants. she thinks any sin she commits can just be washed away at the end, she will do anything to win. we cannot afford to not stop her. for us, for our allies, for others out there we dont know and haven't met, and for humanity as a whole. this IS our best chance to stop her. to prevent further harm from her. if we dont take it, we're responsible for anything she does from now on, because we knew who and what she was and did nothing to stop her when we had the chance.
>>3853125Now that OP said there are only the Hyenas and the Barbers might be undecided while everyone else would flee. I have to say sure we can try. I was guessing she was having more people than just the Hyenas there. And with how Rosa is seemingly infatuated with Shu we might be able to get her to sit this one out.>>3853123I would like to know however: How long would it take to get the rest of our family here from where they currrently are?If it is more than a couple rounds we can kick thast plan to the curb before we even start considering it
>>3853070>“I didn’t know you had the Neurotic Halo, until just now.”You didn't? But Gina's got one too, and it's right on her forehead. It's pretty visible, Yurei. Are you feeling alright? How tired are you?>>3853135And the maids. That's sixteen Daughters. Seven Hyenas, eight maids, Yurei herself. I get what you're saying, anon, but I'm not sure we have it in us to fight her here. Best case scenario, even if we get the Barbers on our side we'll be outnumbered sixteen to twelve.
>>3853135my biggest regret here is i wanted us to make a Holly and Johanna Construct, but this and that made it never really appropriate to put it anywhere. >>3853123BHOP does it have to be Shu sculpting them, or could we hand the materials off to a sculpting to do it, or anything like that?
>>3853113>"...And I don't regret it."
>>3853150>>3853113Are the Maids constructs? they look like constructs to me.
>>3853150The Daughter constructs would be much less of a threat with Dorian around.The Hyenas should be comparitavely weak when it comes to it. Ivey would be dangerous as well as Yurei. The Constructs might also be susceptible to Gina... If they are real daughters however yeah we would be ludicrously outnumbered both in level and acts
>>3853150where are you getting 16 from? BHOP just said they probably wouldn't join and never gave a number either. its just the Hyenas and Constructs.we can take this, we HAVE to take this. shes only going to get more allies and more strength, while we cant guarantee the same for us. we could try and have an Amara clone with the Gear go back out and gather other allies we have if you're so worried, but we will never have as good a chance to beat her as we do now.
>>3853135(It would take them three full rounds of combat, with them becoming available for commands for the fourth round.)>>3853150(Yurei didn't realize what it was until she felt the effects. Crystallization isn't an uncommon thing for Daughters.)>>3853151(It would have to be Shu, or another valid user of the ability.)>>3853158(Yes, they are.)
>>3853162I said where I got sixteen from. Seven Hyenas, eight maids, Yurei. I suppose the maids might be constructs, though.>>3853165Ah yes, they are. Okay, that makes things better, but still has us doing an eight on eight fight with foes of unknown power level. I agree that this is a good opportunity to take her out before she becomes a bigger threat, but I'm still hesitant. I don't know, let me think about it.
>>3853169oh, i misread that as you saying she had 16 daughters alongside the rest you were listing. still, those are only constructs, and the Hyenas while no pushovers, dont seem as powerful as us, and we're no slouches. we work together, we hit them hard and fast, and we CAN do this. even if we have to wait on our family to arrive, that only means fresh reinforcements against foes who only one we have a strong reason to fear. mind you, im not underestimating the Hyenas at all, only its obvious who the real challenge is gonna be. >>3853165BHOP, could we get any extra help after our family, or would it be futile to hope we could get anyone else in time before the battles over, regardless of winner?
>>3853162>>3853165>>3853169>>3853158Do we feel confident that we can stall Yurei and her friends out three rounds of combat before we get reinforcements? With Yureis main ability being Illusions probably we are safe as long as we keep the Halo in Lockdown.Which everyone but Dr. Fran can do on their own. We should get her a halo some time in the near future.If we can not hold out for threee rounds with a reduced team we would be in trouble.Though with Gina and Rath at our side i feel relatively confident we can win this with limited reinforcements consisting of strong cosntructs and the Hyenas. Rath can probably sqwuish several minor HYenas in a turn or so
>>3853165I just realized that Rosa (leader of the Barbers) looks up to Shu like a Sempai, which explains her genki attitude the moment she saw us.
>>3853177(There is a small chance of additional reinforcements, but they would likely come many rounds into the fight, depending on who you're trying to reach out to.)
>>3853187Which also is good for us since she probably wont fight agaisnt us and might even help us if deliver a good showing against Yurei
>>3853182i do. not just feeling pumped up, or whatever, but i actually really do think we can. our family even individually are no slouches, and together we have done wonders. we have our own bag of tricks, and while im sure we're in for more than a few surprises, we have a plethora of ways to simply keep the enemy going in circles, and many more to simply hold out. we're tough, we got some nasty stuff ourselves, and we're only going to get nastier when the rest arrive, which and easily relive anyone whos taken too much of a brunt holding out til then. i get it, its risky, its a tough fight, but sometimes you have to take the tough risky fights you dont want.>>3853191well, theres the Midnight Crew of course. maybe Lara. ....we dont have any other friends still alive actually, do we? i guess we could try 'A' but im unsure our relationship with her is that strong nor she would care. at least with Lara she might at least understand our way of thinking potentially, but 'A' was... well her mind clearly saw the word in another light. she may disagree with both sides honestly.
>>3853198hah, i suppose we could ask the Ants, but nah, that ones sadly jumping the gun too much. they haven't actually agreed to our alliance and probably wouldn't even understand the situation enough to really make that decision.
>>3853182>>3853177>>3853169From the looks of things, we're leaning towards fighting Yurei here and now, with some of wanting to talk to the Barbers before fighting Yurei, and one of them wanting to leave.
>>3853203im not sure we really will have a chance to talk to the Barbers first, unless the plans to send a Jackling to them and mind talk. i doubt if we are going to fight, we can just walk away, talk to them, then come back to fight Yurei. or that she wont possibly be more prepared for us when we return. also, i dunno. maybe im being too on the line here, but there still feels like a difference between telling her we're settling this now, and abusing her good graces to build our forces then come back and stab her in the back, or at least more in the back.
>>3853198WE could ask Magpie but she probably wont come becasue she is busy wiht her own stuff.... Woul dbe nice if we could call upon Charon but they are busy as well>>3853072Ammending my vote in light of new information from >>3853088to supporitng >You’ll be damned if you’re going to be looking over your shoulder for Yurei. If she insists on pursuing you for your Halo, then you may as well take her here and now. No one threatens your family.>With you and the Rest giving cover, toss Francine the Gear with one commandment. "Get the rest of our family here.">>3853203Sadyl i dont think the Barbers will be able to do to much even if they decide to fight with us since they will be affected by Yureis Illusions... which kind of remind me of the power Eizens sword form bleach has without the restriction that you need to have seen it used on you to make it work. YOu jsut are under the effect as soon as you enter the fieldThough we might be able to get them to stay neutral in the fightThough we should expect trickery from Yurei to sick a couple of illusions onto them to galvanize them against Shu by making it appear as if Shu and her family are atttackign them
>>3853214If we bring November into the fight then Yurei's wide-scale illusions at least will be nerfed. November causes any Neurotic or Phantasmal effect that hits her to recoil on the caster, bring her into the battle and Yurei will have to specifically craft illusions for each target she wants to affect. If she didn't she'd just be taking damage every time she used one.
>>3853218or fall prey to her own illusions the thing is we need three rounds to get them into the fight
>>3853210i guess im saying how we go about stopping her now still matters, but maybe im trying too hard to do what i think we need to (stop her now), and keep our conscious entirely clean in the process? sometimes doing the right thing involves a bit of metaphorical mud aswell maybe.i suppose while i still think we need to take this fight here and now, im open to ideas and compromise on how, is all i can think to say.>>3853214oh yeah, magpie too.we might be able to help with the illusions a bit, maybe. plus while its a risk, we do have a chance for Gina to lock that down. but probably not worth it. or maybe that risk is exactly worth it this time around?>>3853072>>3853098adding in;>Have Francine pass on the Gear when possible to Amara Clones to gather any help we can from our known friends and allies.>>3853218>>3853214wondering if we cant get the Tank too. it can teleport so it should be possible.
>>3853223we should also add in that we pass the command to Gina and Gina passes it over a secure line to Dr. Fran so that Yurei can only get a read on what she might want to do in that moment which would be teleporting awayI think if we attack her while in lockdown mode she can do literally nothing to Giuna as there will be no feedback through the connection
>>3853218that's in 4 rounds. We need to endure 4 rounds if we are to pull this off.>>3853214>>3853210From the looks of things, it seems like we're voting to fight Yurei. How are we going to initiate combat? Are we going to take advantage of the surprise initiative with the spoiler text? Gina's got the Jester's Masque which puts her at the front of the initiative cue, but Yurei seems like she's anticipating a battle here and now since our family members are geared up and visibly priming their abilities. It'll turn into a 3v8 plus 8 adds and they have the action economy advantage alongside homefield advantage.
>>3853221Mind of Steel does both, actually, it's a very nasty counter-power. But yeah, we would have to fend off Yurei's forces three to eight (plus constructs) for three rounds before she showed up. That's not ideal. Now I'm starting to swing back the other way. I mean, we've got some decent crowd-control abilities, we can probably keep them busy, but still. That feels risky.
>>3853233>>3853223We should also have our other family members turn their halos to lockdown mode as well.
>>3853234If we do it, I'd suggest taking advantage of crowd control abilities on Gina and Shu. Rath grabs Gina, jumps up to the ceiling to keep them both out of the way, and Gina sprays out a full-strength Nervous Torrent. Shu, immune to acid, slaps down a full-strength Fear To Tread. Yurei and anyone she calls in get caught in a whirlpool of acid. Gina then terraforms obstacles around the Barbers using Neon Ascendant.
>>3853256the issue with this is that Yurei might have a higher initiative due to her core ability set as a Phantasmal Conduit and Neuromancer Hybrid. It gives her higher initiative since her initiative might be based on the speed of thought. Her brain's constantly overclocked which means she gets higher initiative in her action economy as well as possibly more Actions.
>>3853233sounds reasonable to me.>>3853234>>3853256>>3853233i think we can endure 4 rounds.well, unsure on a plan. was thinking BHOP was wanting us to wait to actually form a plan, but maybe im reading that wrong, so ive only been thinking of middling ideas and been focusing on the actual discussion to get us to fight in the first place.we'll need to burn some Biomass to get Shus swarm up and strong. Gina should focus on holding back Yureis Reinforcements. we're in a Swamp, she finally has both liquid and ground to control here for that. Shu can also unleash one hell of a spiral to help keep things back for a bit. we need to hit Yurei hard this turn. besides the fact we have one or two turn 1 only things(i think), shes never going to be as open to an attack as she is now without major work to do so. unless she is immune we also have some chances to stun her quickly too. maybe Gina going for the stun and Shu terraforming would actually work better, as Gina doesn't need a cord for the halo stun. Gina can use her other actions to put up a vomit layer around us or something.if we can guarantee Rath a hit, she can burn some stats and deal some damn incredible opening damage on Yurei. its just a matter of getting her that opening. Francine... unsure, her Constructs seem like they would do better helping keep reinforcements away. otherwise she can stick to Yurei and just be a drain on her along with our Dominus. which, oh yeah, now Shu can easily jack too, but still, might still be better for Gina to do it, as she literally wont have any connection to overwrite or see to react to.
>>3853259if Gina uses the Mask, that may not be an issue.
>>3853261You're forgetting that Shu is also a Neuromancer. We can use Neuromancer abilities through Dominus Bloodline. We have Hydroformer as well as Earthen Mind (gifted to us when Gina made her Thanatos Gambit on Isabelle)
>>3853264...i... i really didnt. i mentioned and talked about all that in the post...
>>3853261Wouldn't Francine be away gathering the rest of the party?
>>3853261>>3853263If anything, Francine's the squishiest member of our current party.
>>3853234That is true. Thy Hyenas will need at least a round to get to us. Maybe more if they decide they have to gather before charging usThe biggest threats are Yurei and Ivey. Though depending on how loyal Ivey is to Yurei she might just run away if we down one or two of ther girls. (Though seeing that she is here in this place as what amounts to a guard i would guess she is probably pretty loyal and wont break easily. So we should not yount on this)I would also guess that Yureis constructs are also gonna be quick on the draw>>3853261>>3853256That would make a good starting move. I would ahzard a guess and say that the Hyenas probably only have limited resistance to acid. The ymight not be loyal enough to wade kneedeep into acid while there is a massive vortex that makes it slosh around and tries to trip them up.In Additon we can spawn loads of constructs. Probably a rook several knighted nomlings and just fill the rest with Banelings and normal Swarmlings. they just need to keep away the Hyenas which should be possible while we ourselves hit Yurei with aa Firmamanets Spiral Drill. Would also solve our problem of creating a Fear to tred spiral first. We can try to hit her and if we miss we just hit the ground and make sure that we activate the spiral anyway. And Gina can jsut terraform her own little safespot even without rath needing to keep her up constantly she can bend the acid around herself......Sounds reasonable?
>>3853268oh yeah, very true. sorry, im just trying to go fast to get everything down and open for discussion, so alot of it is just whats coming to mind.
(Gentlemen, if you are initiating combat, then you are welcome to describe what you would like to do if you succeed in your surprise round.)(Also, please confirm your Relic loadout before combat begins, just to ensure there's minimal post-initiative shuffling.)
>>3853273I think this was voted for at the beginningShu;>Contender, Matrons Stoicism, Remembrance Whistle(RHO CUNT), Consume the Book Relic, Rath;>Sui Tormentis, Deliverance of Ego, Adrenal Nail, Ignition Gauntlets, Gutgrab Daggers.Gina;>Sui Interitus, The Spine, Uzi( x3 Radiant Mags, x3 Shock Mags, x3 Acid Mags), Crimson Jesters.Francine;>Hydras Heart, Inspectors Spectacles, Gear on self to make sure she can reach the family in this post>>3849238
>>3853273i dont think we need to shuffle anything around, unless you want us to go over those not here yet aswell?>>3853270sure.we only have 30 minutes, so ill see what i cant do for the actul opening orders real quick. ill trust the rest of you to the relic loadout, but i think our current teams loadout is fine personally.also, do we want to try and send a jackling to the Barbers or not?
>>3853278We should send one just to give them a warnign that they might not be able to trust what they are about to se hear or feel anbd to ask them to please not interferen on Yureis behalf
>>3853277We should put Cutis Tractus on Francine. She's too squishy by our family standards. >>3853278What are we going to tell the Barbers? What words do you think we can say to recruit them into the fight?
>>3853277(Thank you, I just wished to lock those in.)>>3853278(Addressing the Relic loadout of your other family members is quite possible, but I was considering leaving a longer voting period for that, set to trigger on their arrival so you can plan accordingly.)
>>3853282Francine has to leave immediatly and i dotn think we will be able to have that thing around right now.I think it was more about who holds what items that are currently in posseion of our party>>3853278Dont forget that we actually have to plant a spoke here or she wont be able to return to this place without coming through the front door
>>3853282well, unsure, but ill try and get it soon. we have a trump card at least; Sia. why would Sia want to go BACK into an enclosed system, and certainly why would she be for anyone forcing anything on anyone else? though, we need to talk to Rosa to respect her leadership, so unsure if we have a way to talk to them all, so might nto matter.>>3853285that works. oh, and is there any way to speak to more than just Rosa? hell maybe even all the daughters here too? never hurts to try or ask.
>>3853289(Through the empathic field, you are certainly free to speak to everyone present.)
>>3853290Can we ask for a time extension? We're initiating combat, and we wish to make the most out of the surprise round (should we win it).
Is it weird that I kind of want Yurei to get away? Not enough to sabotage our chances or anything like that, don't get me wrong. But she's an interesting villain, and I think she makes a neat counterpart to Shu's optimism and West's selfishness. She wants to help people like Shu, but she has West's ability to justify atrocities to get what she wants. I'd like to see more of her than just this encounter, I wouldn't be upset if she gets away even though that would make things more difficult for us.
>>3853072>> "You think that my way is misplaced, and I think that yours is. For what it's worth, both of our ways are better than a host of others out there. I may fall, or you may fall eventually, but until the day that we must cross blades, I suggest cease-fire, and as a token of that I offer a you a copy of the Neurotic Halo, freely, because while I don't agree with your methods any more than you agree with mine, both of ours are better lives than one someone like Prime West or Ozmas would create.">"And who knows. Maybe you'll come to see things my way, or I to see things yours. I suspect that's unlikely, but there's still a lot of growing and struggle we both are going to go through on this journey. At least both of us care about the bigger picture.">"Also, I'd get some proper sleep. No one can do everything themselves without burning out."Honestly, while I think we are likely going to have to come to blows with her eventually, she's not outright evil in my book. Misguided, and dangerously so, but not evil... and didn't we just go on about having to struggle and make our own choices. Let's give her choices and something to think about as well.
>>3853296i dislike your way of thinking. we have enough things to worry about without her, thats the point.
>>3853298And yes, I do know I'm going to be horrifically outvoted.
>>3853298we already gave her that, and her response was to ignore it all and outright threaten us, and say she will stop at nothing to get what she wants from us. theres a line to whats reasonable to ignore, and shes crossed it.
>>3853295(By all means, if you wish. Please reply in the affirmative if you'd like an additional hour to discuss and refine your opening plans.)
>>3853306No shame in that.Personally I think that giving her a copy of the halo would be the worst option out there. It would appear as a sign of submission and fearMaybe not to us. But she could spin it that way that even the mighty defiant that challenged and defeated mother bowed to her way of thinking.It would make her rapidly grow in power>>3853309I think another hour would be nice. We have only started hammering out a full fleged plan
>>3853309sure, working on them now as stated.
>>3853309yes please. Also. I found a song that best fits the scenario happening in Yurei's Mansion.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewFBuYHldeY
>>3853307>>3853311I am Shu's bleeding heart, and I know it. I want to save everyone, even from themselves. >>3853318I'm now imagining Penny screaming it out in full punk style as this combat starts in our head.
>>3853270with the Acid Whirlpool idea, I think we should make Knightling surfboards for Gina, Shu, and Rath, that way Gina and Rath won't have to deal with trying not to make a save or else fall prone and Gina's core passive won't fuck up the Whirlpool.>>3853311>>3853313The only thing I'm worried about is Yurei's ability to overclock her brain. We can't land good direct hits on her because she'll be able to see them coming and come up with counters to them. I just hope her body can't keep up with her brain.
>>3853325>I want to save everyone, even from themselves.You know what's Ironic? That's basically Yurei's plan. Shove everyone into THE MATRIX where they'll be eternally content in a simulated heaven.
>>3853325We tried that before, but the Monastery destruction and the Isabelle debacle taught us that our choices matter. There's a risk to everything and opportunities will be missed no matter the choices we make.
>>3853318wow much glitterBut it does seem fitting for what is about to happen though maybe a bit to cheery if we are truly planning to melt people in acid and murder them in atomic fire.....>>3853325I get what you are on about i truly do, but this is a problem. and a serious one that we can possibly end right now before it turns into a massive danger for ourt very existence. I would have liked to have Yurei as an ally but her unwillingness to even consider our position sadly makes that impossible.>>3853326No it really is not, Level 5 makes it so that Allies receive a boost to their movement speed So it would no longe rbe difficult terrain for her and her ability would nto override it. However the Board idea might have some merrit and would allow them to move much more freely. However Gina has HYdroformer. SHe could bend the acid around herself >>3853326She might be able to but that will start ripping her body to shreds if she forces it to move much faster than it normally could
>>3853311>>3853313>>3853318(Understood. Consider voting extended, then.)
>>3853326>The only thing I'm worried about is Yurei's ability to overclock her brain. We can't land good direct hits on her because she'll be able to see them coming and come up with counters to them. I just hope her body can't keep up with her brain.She may also have Vitruvian abilities. Her appearance doesn't appear to be corrupted, and since there's no mention of mutant features appearing when we dispelled the illusion it's probably not just her projecting an idealized look. A Vitruvian ability seems like a likely explanation. We should be prepared for her being able to mitigate damage via it somehow.>>3853343>No it really is not, Level 5 makes it so that Allies receive a boost to their movement speed So it would no longe rbe difficult terrain for her and her ability would nto override it. I believe they still need to avoid the initial formation of the spiral or else risk getting knocked down, though. Unless Neon Ascendant would warp the effect around her so that she'd be untouched, I suppose. BHOP, would Neon Ascendant let Gina keep herself and anyone close to her safe from Fear To Tread's knockdown?
>>3853352(Yes, they would be safe.)
>>3853363Nice, that makes Fear To Tread way more useful in close quarters.
>>3853343>>3853352>>3853313If Yurei has a Phantasmal/Neuromancy hybrid ability, that means she's got the basic kits of neuromancy which includes Terraforming. She probably has Earthen Mind, but she's also expending bio at a constant rate to sustain the mansion illusion. We should probably wrest some control of the terrain from Yurei.So I guess our overall battle plan is this: >Maintain constant crowd control pressure on Yurei, >isolate the Hyenas from Yurei, >destroy the Constructs to even out the playing field somehow...>stall for reinforcements. Meanwhile, I think I can hazard a good guess of Yurei's objectives:>Rip out a Neurotic Halo from Either one of the three enemy daughters (Shu, Gina, Rath)>Force Shu to submit>Survive and wait for reinforcements.Hyenas and the maids will obviously side with Yurei. Which leaves the Barbers as the wildcard.
>>3853072>>3853345First Draft Orders;FRANCINE;>Take the Gear and go get our Family. Make sure a spoke is planted here.>Then, pass it on to an Amara Clone to gather whoever else we can. Magpie, the Midnight Crew, Lara, maybe ‘A’. what Yurei is trying to do affects everyone, and everyone has a right to fight it.GINA;>Activate the Joker's Mask, you need to act Quickly here.>Use your Interitus to burn 150% Health for speed.>Use Amethyst to quickly lock and stun Yurei in place.>Vomit up a storm of acid to put a barrier around us to keep Yurei’s reinforcements away.>Armor up with your Swarm and get Ver up aswell.>See if you cant be prepared to give you and Rath a good spot to stand once Shus spiral goes off.SHU;>Quickly Dominous Yurei. >Spawn Rath and yourself a Bishop, yourself a set of Subversive Platelings, 16 Double Knighted-Grapplings to go and grapple and tie up each Hyena and Maid, one Rook to give us a fallback point, and 6 Knighted-Gurrenlings to abuse any openings the other constructs give them on Yurei’s Reinforcements. >Terraform the surroundings. Use both Hydromancy and standard terrain forming to keep Yurei’s allies at bay. Make that acid terrain one hell of something to ty and cross.>Spawn yourself a Drill and rush down Yurei, using that opening and Neuromancys opening excelerant to get to her and at her, and make her hurt.>Spawn a hard and heavy Spiral under Yurei or where you land.RATH;>Get Unrelenting Cold up.>Turn on Ignition and Erupting Grasp.>spawn 12 Hydra Limbs.>Burn yourself 300% Health for 150% to Strength and 150% to speed with Tormentis>Two should focus on tossing out Boils to help keep Yurei’s allies at bay.>be prepared to quickly switch damage types if Yurei shows resistance to Radiant damage.>Once you have your opening, use one Strand to tie up Yurei as a precaution and anchor her down, before using it to pull yourself to her and spend your 10 Fists to make her feel some pain.(1/2)
>>3853382>>3853345>>3853072SHU TO EVERYONE;>Open the Empathic channel wide and loud.>”To any daughters here, to anyone willing to listen. Please, hear me. I know you don't know me, and i don't know you, but you wouldn't be here at all if we didn't have at least some similarities.”>”you wouldn't be here if you didn't at least think the Crucible and what it wants isn't the best path for you or humanity, wouldn't be here if you weren't at least interested in another path forward.”>”But what Yurei wishes to do isn't the way forward. I get it, I do. The loss, the pain, the struggle to survive. It can be brutal, it can wear on the mind and spirit. But running away won't solve our problems, hiding from reality won't make it go away. And forcing others to do so too isn't the solution.”>”I get it's a tough fight, that it can seem hopeless. But it's not. Together, we CAN make something out of humanity, out of this world, this situation. But we cant to it if we run, if we ignore that those struggles and fears? Those are us. Those are Humanity. A part of us just as much as love and comfort is.”>”but together, we can overcome it. We can take the good and the bad, and we can do what humanity has done time and time again. Learn from it, evolve from it, becomes something better from it. But we can't do that if we cower in fear. From ourselves, from reality, from what it really means to live and be part of humanity.”>”And do you really think its right? To force others to do so? It's fine if you want your simulation, but it's a risk, it sacrificing your control of your own life to others and fate and hoping nothing bad comes from reality to stop it.”>”Can you really fight the Crucible, something that would force a path on us, force us to be what it wants, while also forcing the same on others? Can you really fight, stand firm here, with Yurei, while stealing that right from others?”>”Can you really stand by her, take freedom and choice from everyone, while indulging in your own? Will you really let her and let her make you sacrifice every moral, every bit of what brought you someplace to stand against the crucible in the first place, only so you can take everything away from others? Can you really stand firm throwing all away to run away?”>”Id ask you not to, to remember what it really means to be human, not to listen to someone's idealized fantasies. Reality will not ever go away, but we can fight it, together, make something of it. But only if we don't ignore it, only if we work together, and admit to what that reality is, for us and for everyone. Please, stand with me, Stand firm against fear, against cowardice. Stand firm with me against someone who has no trust in Humanity, and show her what we can truly do when we come together.”>”If we don't now, we may never get another chance.”(2/2)
>>3853388i felt we didnt know the Barbers well enough to only talk to them, and we only know enough about Sia to send a personalized message too. we shall see if they listen or not, the other Daughters too. probably about to grab food with a friend, so ill be phone posting if at all for a good little bit, but i do hope its at least overall seen as a good plan, and of course open to ideas.
>>3853327Yeah, except that one key difference of you offer the path, never force them down it. >>3853342I know... I know. It's why I'm not trying to persuade others despite my personal feelings.>>3853345I'm terrible in combat, but this >>3853382 >>3853388 seems solid.
>>3853392also, two note real quick;Yurei said we 'dont know loss like her', but we kinda do.theres also something to be said about how you cant save everyone, and trying to can easily lead down a bad path. not sure either of these are important im just spewing out my thoughts is all.
>>3853382Do we have any swarmlign slots remaining? If so we should fill them with basic swarmlings that go out and try to force the openings for the Gurrenlings more easily. and maybe add intot shus orders taht if its impossibel to land a blow on Yurei for whatever reason to just activate the spiral instead so we dont waste a turn with the acid just sittign there. NNow imagine the carnage a rotating pit with spikes and blades filled with acid could do..... I shiver at the thought>>3853398You will get used to it. Its always a cooperative effort. One person can not hope to consider all points of view
>>3853402we do not. all swarmling slots are used.seems fair with Shu, but the new Drill kinda does that automatically i think.
(As a reminder, please choose the form of the Contender, if you want anything other than the basic Lionheart.)
>>3853404the opening of the spiral only happens if we actually connect a blow
>>3853382Sounds mostly solid, but I don't think there's a point in having an Amara clone go around gathering our allies. That's going to take way too long, even with the Gear. Lara is the only one that has anything approaching a fixed location, the rest are currently on the move. Even with knowing where they were, it would take long enough to get from the nearest Waystation to them that I don't think it's practical. If it would take three rounds just to gather up party members who actually have a Gear spoke on them, it would take dozens to bring other allies in.
>>3853409I thought it was having all our Joyous Many clones pop off their hoods and tell the people they're following, not one clone going around gathering folks? I misread things frequently so now I'm not sure.
>>3853404>>3853402I know it's way off tangent, but what if we fused a Rev-ling with a Gurrenling? >>3853406Guns Akimbo with Gatling Gunner's Maxim (six bullets in each gun), two gatling guns, one in each hand, wielded by a pair of Hundred Handed arms, one is loaded with hollowpoints, the other is loaded with B.33 specials, 3 rounds Honey, 3 rounds Swarm.Gatling Gun #1: (3 Honey B.33 Rounds, 3 Swarm B.33 Rounds)Gatling Gun #2: (6 Hollowpoints)The gun loaded with the B.33 Special is to crowd control the Maids and the Hyenas.The gun loaded with Hollow points is to give us more places to spawn our swarmlings even if our bullets miss.
>>3853409BHOP already said there's a Chance for further allies to arrive in time.
>>3853406As-is, there's no point in not having both blades in Gatlinggunner's Maxim. That's the only form we have aside from the Lionheart, and since we don't have any Lionheart-exclusive upgrades the machine gun is just a flat improvement over it. I'm going to suggest we load each with three B.33 Specials (one gun loading Honey and the other loading Swarm) and two Ravenous Parabellums. The remaining load will be one Herculean Fullbore in one gun and one Cicada's Cry in the other.>>3853411Sure, that will speed up convincing them to come, but we still have to get all of them to a place the clone with the Gear can teleport them here. That could take a while if they're not already right by a Waystation.>>3853418Hollowpoint Hives are terrible, better to use Parabellums or Fullbores. Also, the Cicada's Cry is designed for fighting Neuromancers and Phantasmal Conduits, it has some issues in close quarters because Gina could be caught by it but if we can make some distance it's a great option against Yurei.>>3853421Yes, a small chance, and they'll arrive even later into the fight than the rest of our party. It's already going to be four rounds before the ported-in party members can have any effect. I don't think we've yet had a fight that went beyond six rounds. I sincerely doubt our allies will arrive in time to matter. I guess it's worth a longshot, though, just in case this drags on.
>>3853423We dont have the swarmling slots for the Herculean FullboresWe are full with what we are spawning . We should make them Parabellums instead
>>3853382Oh, also, in case it needs to be said, we should add this: >Everyone prime reactive defenses. Halo Counters for the party as well as Gina priming Neon Ascendant level two.>>3853425BHOP got rid of Fullbores taking up swarmling slots.>>3770991>(You know what? They were supposed to per the description, but I think that detail's been missed more often than caught. Consider the slot requirement nullified, and I'll update the Relic sheet accordingly. If I've missed it up until now, I'm certainly not going to hold you to it going forwards, it simply wouldn't be fair.)
>>3853428>>3853345>BHOP got rid of Fullbores taking up swarmling slots.I'm going to need a source for that quote
>>3853430Yeah, I tried to link the post number but I screwed up with linking to the archives. It's that post number in Vein 28.
>>3853428I am gonna need taht as well.And if that is not possible. I would liek to hear it form the horses mouth directly... so to speak>>3853363OP do the Herculean Fullbore still take up a swarmling slot?
>>3853296>>3853298>>3853325I agree with those two anons that I would rather not fight madame Yurei, she is one of the most decent people out of here; I would have prefered to do some sort of challenge, or a set of rules to convince her towards our way of thinking, something along the way of "our chord hacking plan is superior because x reasons, and is fairly close to your ideal plan, just in realspace instead of simulation". Make some agreement that, if we must agree to disagree, she can have a shot with a more conservative version of her plan if we were to fall.So that´s three anons for peace here.Anyway, I trust your ability to handle the fight. But this is the first time we are the unprovoked AGGRESSOR in a fight. I know that she has a strong incentive to kill us, but even now she is holding to her word and offering safe passage. I am just worried that we are going to give the wrong impression to all daughters; we attacked somebody offering hospitality on her own home, and being honest and straightforward about her plans.This is an atrocious breach of hospitality, and will likely be considered as the "red wedding" of the fleshcape. I would rather have kept Shu´s good reputation, or tried to argument our way in a less "you are the ultimate evil" approach. VERY few people consider the well-being of their fellow humans in the fleshcape, so I consider this fight t be a tragedy.
>>3853423i think he was very much implying they could get here in time to help, as i specifically asked if it would be worth it within the context that fights dont last that long, and he still said yes.>>3853418im fine with this loadout, but with our plan im unsure if we really have a good chance to fire this round.certainly not the action economy for it.>>3853423we have the bayonet, we lose nothing by having them in Maxim. that was the point of taking both those upgrades.>>3853428im fine with priming our defenses.>>3853433>>3853432>>3853428Fullbores no longer take up a slot.
>>3853430>>3853432>>3853433(I can confirm that Fullbores no longer take up a Swarmling slot, and is the start of many buffs coming to your ammo types.)
>>3853418wait actually i jumped the gun, im 100% against this. the Hollowpoints a worthless round and im against using it.
>>3853442>we have the bayonet, we lose nothing by having them in Maxim. that was the point of taking both those upgrades.I know. I was voting to have both in Maxim mode because they're better than the base Lionheart and don't lose anything from the transformation. We are in agreement.
>>3853434She openly declared she would hunt us down for our Halo. She has thrown the first glove into the ring. She has challenged us. Noit directly but she has made it clear that as soon as we left we woul db econsidred wild game for her people. I would have liked to convince her but i dont think anything we can say to her will be able to change her mind. She has stated multiple times that she will force the Dreamscape on everyone. And that is not something we can allow. She would make herself a god ruling over the dreamscape..... If you think it is okay to make her a problem that will hound us forever or until we kill her after she has spoken the first threat. Sure go ahead and say that you want to but i ahve to say And the first link is not for leaving peacefully but that Yurei flees the battle after we have beaten her to hell and back>>3853442Yes i looked that just up >>3853445Thank you for confirming that again
>>3853434You'd best be putting the argument forward to >>3853404He's the one that you should try and convince. >>3853445Hey bhop. If Francine has the Inspector's Spectacles, can she tell us Yurei's core ability and stats through neuromancy? Or is the Spectacles not upgraded?
>>3853451(Yes. You'll be informed of Yurei's HEALTH and BIO at the start of combat, and Francine's succeeded in the intial roll to show the nature of Yurei's Core ability and her intentions for the next round.)
>>3853382>>3853388Good plan; but I would REALLY recommend >>3853423 loadout on the paired Gatlingunner maxims; hopefully shoot EVERYTHING next turn, starting by the CICADAS.> Francine´s role:Also, question to everyone: What should Francine do, once she is back in the next turns? I think there is two major options:A) She boosts GINA or other key combatant with her "Unravelled self". I think GINA is key in this fight, because we NEED to stunlock Yurei HARD. As a conduit, she is proably based on concentration actions. Against this, generous "CICADA bullets", a superior neuromancer (GINA) or an anti construct man (DORIAN) seem key. NOVEMBER is also a good candidate.B) She heals the fuck out of US, trying to synergize with our DOMINUS; draining YUREI via touch if possible, attacking by "Queen´s hand" skill and keeping enemies at bay with her primordial school.
>>3853072>>3853382>>3853388Second Draft Orders;FRANCINE;>Take the Gear and go get our Family. Make sure a spoke is planted here.>Then, pass it on to an Amara Clone to gather whoever else we can. Magpie, the Midnight Crew, Lara, maybe ‘A’. what Yurei is trying to do affects everyone, and everyone has a right to fight it.GINA;>Prime Halo defenses.>Activate the Joker's Mask, you need to act Quickly here.>Use your Interitus to burn 150% Health for speed.>Use Amethyst to quickly lock and stun Yurei in place.>Vomit up a storm of acid to put a barrier around us to keep Yurei’s reinforcements away.>Armor up with your Swarm and get Ver up aswell.>See if you cant be prepared to give you and Rath a good spot to stand once Shus spiral goes off.SHU;>Prime Halo defenses.>Quickly Dominous Yurei. >Contender loadout; Split into 2 Maxims. Maxim 1 will have 6 BBs, Maxim 2 will have 3 Parabellum and 3 Fullbore. >Spawn Rath and yourself a Bishop, yourself a set of Subversive Platelings, 16 Double Knighted-Grapplings to go and grapple and tie up each Hyena and Maid, one Rook to give us a fallback point, and 6 Knighted-Gurrenlings to abuse any openings the other constructs give them on Yurei’s Reinforcements. >Terraform the surroundings. Use both Hydromancy and standard terrain forming to keep Yurei’s allies at bay. Make that acid terrain one hell of something to ty and cross.>Spawn yourself a Drill and rush down Yurei, using that opening and Neuromancys opening excelerant to get to her and at her, and make her hurt.>Spawn a hard and heavy Spiral under Yurei or where you land. Be prepared to spawn one anyways if no attack opening if found.RATH;>Prime Halo Defenses.>Get Unrelenting Cold up.>Turn on Ignition and Erupting Grasp.>spawn 12 Hydra Limbs.>Burn yourself 300% Health for 150% to Strength and 150% to speed with Tormentis>Two should focus on tossing out Boils to help keep Yurei’s allies at bay.>be prepared to quickly switch damage types if Yurei shows resistance to Radiant damage.>Once you have your opening, use one Strand to tie up Yurei as a precaution and anchor her down, before using it to pull yourself to her and spend your 10 Fists to make her feel some pain.with the same speech as found here;>>3853388
>>3853460anon, you got the math wrong. Rath's Sui Tormentis is level 4, which means the health/stat ratio i at 1 hp to 5% increase in a given stat. You spending 150% hp for strength and a 150% hp for speed is going to result in a 750% increase in both speed and Strength.
>>3853460Another thing. We're in an isolated room seperated from Ivey Holmes, the Hyenas, and the Maids. It's probably an illusion, but it is an isolated room nonetheless.
>>3853466no, you read it wrong. i simply stated where i wanted to split the spent health, not what its end result in stats would be.
>>3853434It would be nice to do something like that, and I tried to write such a response, but I just couldn't get it to gel. I don't think it would actually work. Because you're right, our plan is pretty close to Yurei's, except in meatspace. Which means that her actual desires can't really be to just end resource scarcity, because if they were there would be no need to upload everyone forcibly. There has to be a deeper reason, one that we can't solve simply by telling her that we're going to use the Crucible's technology to make a post-scarcity physical world as well. My best guess is that it's about control. The advantage of the dreamscape is that it's isolated and safe. Every variable can be controlled. In the fleshscape, no matter how advanced your technology, it's still a chaotic physical system. There are unexpected events. Yurei clearly has some sort of issue with the unpredictability of the physical world, given her comments about "you haven't lost like I have" I expect it comes back to a sudden incident taking away someone she cares about. Maybe an accident, maybe a random crime, I'm not sure. But that's why she can't let people still live in the physical realm, because not only does she see it as not safe for them she sees it as not safe for her to allow these chaotic elements to exist.>>3853448>And the first link is not for leaving peacefully but that Yurei flees the battle after we have beaten her to hell and backI wouldn't say I'm for it. Just that I think Yurei's an interesting character and I wouldn't mind her being a recurring threat, even if that would be stressful. She's neat, she could easily carry a full arc, I think that would be cool. But if we kill her here and now I won't be too upset about it. Especially if we can turn the fallout of her death into an arc of its own. Like maybe we persuade some of the Daughters here to our position, have them join us, and suddenly Shu's got a faction instead of just a party. What do?
>>3853468yes we are in an isolated room in an old mansion where a lot of other people are. They wont take long to get to us a round at most and we neeed to be ready for them when they show up
>>3853468still. the house is actually rotting and decayed. tearing through its ground, if said ground and water isnt already exposed, would be literally not even a thought.
>>3853457SWEET! Okay, I would rather NOT have fought her, but given that the community seems committed to the fight, I will drop the subject here. And I have to say that the combat plans and draft are looking delicious.Thanks for >>3853382 and >>3853388, that´s a VERY hefty contribution there. That´s not trivial to put together...I just feel guilty for quicking to the curb somebody offering us hospitality, and whose reason to oppose us is due to her being a well-intentioned extremist...even if she is VERY extremist.But the thing that makes me feel more guilty? If we kill her, she will die to THE M**FCKING BOSS of "why you suck" speeches.Seriously, look at >>3852845, >>3852847 and >>3853388.Anon rolled a crit in "vengeful speech-crafting", and kicked Yurei so hard in the dialectic department that even Black templar chaplains would sit up and nod in appreciation.
>>3853481An extremist no matter for which ideology or purpose is always dangerous and will inevitably take things to far... THe only way to have made her safe to be around would have been to deradiclize her. Which is difficult seeing as she had her positions entrenched already>Anon rolled a crit in "vengeful speech-crafting", and kicked Yurei so hard in the dialectic department that even Black templar chaplains would sit up and nod in appreciation.I think even Grimaldus would agree to that.
>>3853072Wait a second *tallies votes*>>3853088 - Leave peacefully>>3853098 - Attack>>3853214 - Attack>>3853298 - Give Halo>>3853434 - Leave Peacefully(I think I got them all)If actual voting was truly extended, not just for tactical reasons... I'll change my vote to Leave Peacefully to break the tie even if it means folks will be noticeably upset with me.I also won't be too broken up if it's too late as I've already said my piece.
(Writing now, Gentlemen. This may take a little time to make everything flow, but given the quality of the speech and your solid plan, I wish to do it justice.)
>>3853072>>3853489And I didn't vote. So I vote to attack.
>>3853489you got me twice i was at first >>3853088and later switched to >>3853214so it wasnt a tie
>>3853481no one can say i dont have passion at least when i get into the mood i guess.also seems the hours up, i think? yeah, been three hours from first timer, one from new timer too. fingers crossed i guess. given that...>>3853481>>3853434i get your concerns, but we cant ignore she is showing clear signs of being stuck in her ways, and being unwilling to listen to our viewpoints. at the end, she didn't even try to say anything to counter us, to further convince us. she just said "no, you're wrong, because im right." thats dangerous. and like ive said, we will literally never have a better chance to take her down, and if we dont? she hunts us, our family, maybe our allies. she herself said it, she wont stop at nothing to get what she wants from us. the ends justify the means for her, and letting someone like that go when we can stop her would be a bigger crime than any breach of hospitality. and why, dare i say, hospitality is she giving us? sure, fair enough on the forge and engine. but the house, the food? false, illusions. worse, by tricking us, shes tricking our bodies into think were eating while getting no nutrients, shes tricking our bodies into thinking were warm and safe while in the middle of a swamp. sure, were in no actual danger right now from that, but i do think the principle matters. she would lie and trick our minds and put us in an actually kinda bad situation in reality just to convince us of her plan. thats not actual hospitality, thats trickery. that could actually cause harm, physical and mental, even in the fleshscape and with the best of intentions at times. she wants us to think shes giving us alot while actually putting nothing on the table in those regards. even if in this instance there no real harm, its still a good sign of what shes willing to do and ignore for her own goals under the best of conditions.
>>3853489Alas, I am afraid PIC related will happen instead. Don´t worry, we will get a good fight out of this... and maybe we might persuade Yurei to surrender. If the second worst scenario arises and we have to consume her, she is a good candidate for an "Spiritus ex Testa" rebirth, should we manage to find common ground.Think about it; she has the perfect skillset as a "senior advisor" for our "chord-hacking plans". As long as she is honest, with her, Francine, GINA, and a stolen phantasmal halo pried from Evil west cold, dead hands, we are standing at optimal chances to hack the chord...She already gave us lots of useful info for that from a casual conversation... now imagine if she was a TOTAL, unconditional ally. Oh, the possibilities...
>>3853493>>3853495Cool. It was one of those "Wait a minute" moments. Like I said, I'm not broken up.
>>3853481>I just feel guilty for quicking to the curb somebody offering us hospitality, and whose reason to oppose us is due to her being a well-intentioned extremist...even if she is VERY extremist.I share your trepidation about violating hospitality, but at the same time I think she's being very "letter of the law" here. She's saying "I won't kill you now, but once you leave my grounds I'm coming after you" when she has her Hyenas right here and waiting to pounce. Yeah, we could teleport out with the Gear, but I don't think she knows about that. There's a clear implicit threat there to accompany the more general explicit threat, and so it's not like we're acting unreasonably here. We have cause to think of Yurei as an immanent threat to ourselves and treat her as an enemy.(Also, if we're being rules lawyers ourselves, we can make an argument that giving us an illusion of a comfortable shelter and tasty food to eat is not really offering hospitality. At least not so long as we still have actual physical bodies to take care of. Maybe if we were in the Cord, but otherwise no.)Anyways, I think we can probably mitigate any damage to our reputation this might cause by the fact that we're also explaining our reasoning to the Daughters present here. We're not just some blackguard taking advantage of Yurei's hospitality to attack her, we're an ideological opponent coming to literal blows. Diplomacy was attempted, it has failed, and now we're having a punch-up. But even so, we're trying to be reasonable and state our logic to the witnesses so that they can come to their own conclusions on this debate.
>>3853501> "No one can say i dont have passion at least when I get into the mood, I guess"Understatement of the century. We are looking at "15.000 hydrogen warheads of righteous fury speech" with >>3852845, >>3852847 and >>3853388. Grimaldus tier, and I appreciate it even when from tmy frontal opposition to violence, particularly towards idealists. Have a pic representing your crowning achievement, you glorious bastard.Seriously, my greatest regret if we kill her is that she will die to the most zealous "why you suck" speech in the history of the fleshcape.Regarding our future reputation, after this, we shall reap the greatest heights of Glory or depths of Infamy, but never ignominy.Not after this.
>>3853524i do find it funny and actually maybe a bit ironic? that we are kinda fighting extremism with extremism. id just argue extremism of not justifying the means by the ends and allowing people to choose for themselves over the opposite.extremism for choice, and faith in humanity. not something im upset over personally at least. plus id argue its less full on extremism of ideology, and more of sometimes you gotta hit like a brick wall to try and break through a brick wall.
>>3853529More like sometimes you need to take the Thunderhammer to the Brickwall to make sure you can build a door to the better futureYeah the entire indivudualism route we have been going makes me pretty happy as well. And our efforts have already paid off. We gave Mara and Charon hope and faith in a better tomorrow.I am sure we will be able to light that fire of determination in even more minds. I would not be surprised if we started to actively attract followers, that wanted to join our cause, after this
>>3853529Hey, I am an extremist over the need for dialogue, persuasion and consensus (yes, I am a fanatic of dialogue. Ironic). You tend towards the extremism for belief in freedom and the positive impact of individual action Vs the collectivity.And Yurei managed to trigger us BOTH.I demanded her to bend in her extremist views and synergize with our plan, make concessions, or agree to disagree.You had a VERY justified desire to see her get bent for her breach of universal freedoms.So this fight is going to be over the most ironic of reasons. As we will below to whoever will be willing to listen....> We shall persuade you to accept our peaceful Crucible-breaking plans... BY FORCE!
>>3853072Finally caught up!Voting for:>>You’ll be damned if you’re going to be looking over your shoulder for Yurei. If she insists on pursuing you for your Halo, then you may as well take her here and now. No one threatens your family. (Initiate Combat)Because we have no good reason to let someone who's already admitted to the fact that she'll hunt us down as soon as she's prepared.
>>3853540And it's such a disappointment, too. I think that's why I've really got reservations over fighting here, I so wanted Yurei to be reasonable. Someone we could form compatible plans with, her having her dreamworld for everyone who wanted to live there while we rebuild the physical. Two worlds and modes of existence, working together in harmony. But nope, she had to insist on forcing everyone into the dreamscape. So it's got me all frustrated with her and not sure what to do. But in the end, yeah, beating some sense into her just seems right. And if that doesn't work, we can bring her back in the post-Crucible world and show her that we're actually doing just fine, maybe that will convince her.
>>3853549Don´t worry comrade, everyone is already committed to the fight. The tie is no more, and actually wasn´t there in the first place.We now strike together for the glory of our glorious fleshy, entirely peaceful*, non-ascended ways, and our motherland.>*: We could argue she "shot first". Even if she didn´t, thanks to dialectics. Regretably. But if Han Solo could get away with it, we will ahve to follow his example.
>>3853540what really got me was her response. it wasn't just that she disagreed with us, its that she just brushed off our views and opinions with little actual regard. and then? she threatens us. plain and simple. with an engine, literally RIGHT there, and proof it can be copied. she refused to even consider our viewpoint or points, to even just say 'well i disagree, but who knows? time will tell." or anything. sure, we said and would probably come to blows, but even admitting to that she could've at least worded it less directly hostile. sure, fine, we didn't hold anything back, but shes also threatening to force something on the entirety of humanity, of course we are gonna be a bit uncomfortable in our response to that. Engine, right there. she didn't care. just straight to "im gonna murder you and everyone you love for that." girl i know were playing hardball but but surely if you need it so bad you could at least put the option on the table yourself, no? maybe doing that might at least make you seem reasonable and help your side of the argument, no? a "look we disagree, we may end up enemies, but im not the bad guy here. give me what i need, and we can settle this respectfully later when the time comes, alright?"that, and i dont trust people like her. the way she talks, she thinks herself the one and only savior there can ever be. our entire point is we dont think anyone, even ourselves, is all that matters. shes saying she alone can lead humanity, and no one else, not even her loyal followers who agree with her.shes an interesting character at least, but damn is she not one to leave to their own devices.
>>3853550> Someone we could form compatible plans with, her having her dreamworld for everyone who wanted to live there while we rebuild the physical. Two worlds and modes of existence, working together in harmony.Ah yes, SO MUCH this... But well, here it comes. And since argumentation is now dealt with copious amounts of face-punching, it is good we have Rath with us. Some "consecutive normal punches" from her will be very persuasive. As in "Oh my god she is Saitama and All-Might rolled together in a cranky package">"INITIATING FACE-PUNCHING PROTOCOLS. GLORIA OMNISSIAH"
>>3853567>Rath enters "Diplomacy Mode.">the other sides diplomats wonder why they suddenly hear theme music and an overhead disembodied voice saying words very deliberately in Japanese as nonexistent stage lights start shining on Rath.
>>3853557You know, it's funny: She criticized the Disassociated Ones for fleeing the Crucible while carrying their underlying flaws with them, but from where we stand? They're looking pretty similar. They've both got that hyper-focus on their goals that keeps them from realizing the flaws in their thinking. Except that the Disassociated came by it via brain damage, while Yurei...well, she might have screwed up her brain overclocking herself. But it also seems like she comes by it honestly. So she's not just being unnecessarily aggressive, she's also a hypocrite. Hell, at least the Disassociated value consent and are only keeping their own flaws instead of forcing them unto others.
>>3853534I'm very willing to use force on the wall, but this action is just a little too Renegade for my Paragon sensibilities. Ah well. If we're going to do this, let's do it right. If we can though, I'd like to let Ivey and Co. make their own way after. They didn't strike me as fanatics of Yurei.
>>3853557>with an engine, literally RIGHT there, and proof it can be copied.MAYYYBE she doesn´t know you can do it? Our sparagmos is unlocked and super-duper special; maybe the one she has DOES NOT have this ability.Still, that would be a good argument to handle the reputational shitstorm coming our way. Using skintalking to offer unbiaised proof of what happenned to everyone that wishes to acess evidence may also offer a way to handle it.
>>3853585well, BHOP said she saw all three of us had it, and that wouldn't be possible if the Halos cant be copied, theres supposed to only be one of each. even so, she still had the chance to ask us nicely to hand it over, even if there was only one copy. but really, correct engine or not, she seems like the type that should be smart enough to see three people with an item that should only have one copy and put two and two together. if she cant, then we have an argument of her being too blinded or brain fried to be trusted with her plan, or any plan really.
>>3853585She claimed it was an unlocked Engine. That sort of skill redistribution is supposed to be one of its more basic functions, she should know about it. Also, she can probably infer that the Halos can be copied somehow given that we've got three of them. Either we copied the skill or we learned how to craft more. Which is not impossible for her to think, I suppose, if she knows about our association with Charon. Still, there are reasons for her to consider that she could bargain for a Halo instead of take it off our corpse.
>>3853583> "If we can though, I'd like to let Ivey and Co. make their own way after. They didn't strike me as fanatics of Yurei."ABSOLUTE SUPPORT. They look to be nice people.> "This action is just a little too Renegade for my Paragon sensibilities."You and me both brother. But sometimes you have to acknowledge that the "Team Vengeance" part of the board makes good points, congratulate them on their victory, and let them handle the situation like they do best.
>>3853583>If we're going to do this, let's do it right. If we can though, I'd like to let Ivey and Co. make their own way after. They didn't strike me as fanatics of Yurei.Agreed. They seem like decent people, I'd rather not hurt them if we don't have to. Hell, if we spin it right we might even be able to recruit them.
>>3853586>>3853592Oops, "Logic.exe" was unoperative for a moment. Yep, that sounds like Yurei is fully willing to kill her competition on the spot for ideologic reasons.Good news for our future diplomance rolls when trying to keep our reputation...
(Gentlemen, I am endeavoring to write as quickly as I can given work today, so thank you for your patience, one and all.)
>>3853594We will probably have to beat the shit out of them first. Not the worst foundation for a trusting relationship and Ivy did say somthign to the effect thayt she was quite sure herself what Yurei really wanted to do. Just the general plan.....>>3853583I am all recruting the barely dressed blue furred woman with her pack of hyenas. If they survive this entire thing..... Not the most likely
>>3853600take your time. make it right. We've got tonight right?
>>3853583>>3853593>>3853594while if they can be reasoned with, sure, but we shouldn't hold back if/when they come to Yurei's support here. that could get us killed. i mean, i actually would myself prefer even Yurei to change her mind on this ONE detail than have us do this, but she didnt, and we cant afford to let her go if she wont. if the Hyenas help her, what happens, happens. >>3853595at the very least no one will think we arent willing to act or defend our viewpoints, which should at least garner some respect even in the worst outcome. though, possibly more of a 'oh god run away from the badass' kinda respect, but still.>>3853602>I am all recruiting the barely dressed blue furred woman with her pack of hyenas.i am suspicious now with that wording of your true reasons for wanting them around.
>>3853600hey we understand, and thanks for keeping us informed. you do... whatever the hell it is you do. hold your company above the waterline, from the sounds of it sometimes.>Images of tired meatball being used as a support beam in an office space.
>>3853575> Rath Casts fist!> It´s super-effective!> Target is now persuaded....Yeah, Rath + Sui Tormentis is a SCARY combination. I am glad we got saitama in our team, that´s all I am saying...
>>3853600No worries, BHOP. As always, take your time and don't feel you need to rush for us.
>>3853595https://open.spotify.com/track/2aozlm4HfRx8yRYL7RCoAHGiven that is currently my theme for Yurei and what seems to be her Corrupted mind... yeah... gonna join you on the Logic.EXE stopped working.>>3853607Oh no, if for a Penny, in for a Pounding. It's more along the lines of letting them stand down/not finishing them if downed.>>3853600Keep on keeping on. We're an understanding type of a collective consciousness.
>>3853613Now consider that Unrelenting Cold should give her the Kinetic Remnant's "grow by absorbing heat/momentum" power eventually. Imagine one of those punches from a giant.
>>3853607>i am suspicious now with that wording of your true reasons for wanting them around.you should be worried *insert dramatic evil laughter here* Nah i just think she might be a good addition. She seems to have experience at leading a party and genrally surviving. How she treats her people we will see in this fight. If she treats them well she might make a good recruit to at least be ascociated with us.I get why you are suspicious of me but this time i truly am not working off any dirty ulterior motives. I just think she might be a good fit. And having someone who worked under a prominent figure in the crucible actively endorse us after we punched out her former boss would go quite a long way of convincing people that we were justified in our actions. My dirtiest thought about all of this is how we can spin this into a net win for our reputation in the political landscape of the crucible. And she might be a useful asset for that
>>3853617>>3853613>Rath becoming very tall, then suddenly turning smol after blowing up a giant arm she used for her all-out punch.A Giant Rocket punch on strings
>>3853586That also brings up the issue of her battle objective. All she needs to do is to survive and make away with one of the Halos from either Shu, Rath, or Gina. Shu and Gina's halos are soul-bound from Perpetual Crown and cannot be removed upon death, so that leaves Rath's Halo since Rath doesn't have the Perpetual Crown augment. Francine doesn't have a halo, but relies upon staying connected to Gina in order to gain its benefits. I think if we are to win the battle and deny Yurei her true objective (getting a halo), we need to keep our halos away from yurei and ensure she doesn't have any ability that allows her to literally rip a Halo out of one of our family members.
>>3853619well i was joking around more than not, but thanks for explaining. >Pic unrelated and chosen at random
I'm glad we can come together on contentious decisions rather than devolving into faction wars.
>>3853631Better safe then sorry they say. I thought that maybe i went a bit to far in trying to get a small rise out of someone. I know you can be a bit...... jumpy (i think would be the correct term) when it comes to stuff like thatCute Gif by the way and congratulations for making me lay out my entire motivation
>>3853630does it even work like that? the fact its an ability seems to imply they still are'our' biomass and the like, and more like spawning a calcite blade or something than an actual individual object. technically, nothing says we couldn't craft more than one either, just it takes time to do so(and probably doesn't stack benefits too, only would ensure one being destroyed doesn't leave you with nothing.)might need BHOP clarification here though.>>3853633of course, faction wars are for level up votes.
>>3853072>Take her offer, and leave. Given your surveillance network, you’re confident you’ll be able to see her coming…and you’ll be ready, with your entire family ready to defend themselves.Yeah... I don't want to just disrespect hospitality even if we later come to blows. It's a politeness thing, and not having people think we'll attack them in their own home if they invite us there and didn't attack first.
>>3853649you're like 2 hours late i think for that vote, but welcome to the thread anyways.>>3853636eh... not sure 'jumpy' is the right word. that would imply(i think), that any instance of it i jump at seriously, but i myself have made such jokes before. certainly a bit paranoid over it for sure, but suspicious or cautious is probably the most appropriate word, at leas if were going for a middle ground tone not meant to be saying anything serious about eachother.also have one of the two other of those gifs, while fate has decided to finally give me a reason to post one, may aswell post more.
>>3853655i was thinking jumpy more like in a bit sensitive to that contentBut suspicious would have worked as well.. if i had remembered the word at the timeChrist these Gifs make me chuckle
lol, we're really gonna start a fight in the home of someone who cordially invited us in?AND without knowing the extent and disposition of her forces?AND god knows she's a phantasmal conduit so even if we do kill her she's gotta have some backups?This is not just uncouth and foolish, it's pretty much suicidal. We're taking on an already dangerous foe on her home turf. The Barbers may or may not be under her sway, we know for a fact Ivey is here and will come as backup ASAP, let alone whatever else she has hidden away for just such an occasion as this. I thought we had the Lepisma fight pretty well in hand the whole time, but this right here is asking for a TPK.
>>3853661Either we fight her here. Or we have her constantly hound our family and try to assassinate our family, or give Yurei what she wants and watch her become invincible in her field (Neuromancy/Phantasmal Conduit) and be relatively helpless while she shoves everyone her homebrewed version of "The Matrix" when she wins and climbs the Cord.
>>3853072At your silent command, Francine slips her hand down your back and into your pocket, retrieving Escher’s Gear as your voice echoes through the Empathic Channel to all present.”To any daughters here, to anyone willing to listen. Please, hear me.” You begin solemnly. “I know you don't know me, and I don't know you, but you wouldn't be here at all if we didn't have at least some similarities. You wouldn't be here if you didn't at least think the Crucible and what it wants isn't the best path for you or humanity, wouldn't be here if you weren't at least interested in another path forward.”Your host just cocks one eyebrow, meeting your defiant glare with her own withering expression.”But what Yurei wishes to do isn't the way forward. I get it, I do. The loss, the pain, the struggle to survive. It can be brutal, it can wear on the mind and spirit. But running away won't solve our problems, hiding from reality won't make it go away. And forcing others to do so too isn't the solution.” You can feel your voice echoing through the space, reverberating in the hearts and minds in every Daughter present. ”I get it's a tough fight, that it can seem hopeless. But it's not. Together, we CAN make something out of humanity, out of this world, this situation. But we can’t do it if we run, if we ignore those struggles and fears. Those are us. Those are Humanity. They’re a part of us just as much as love and comfort is. But together, we can overcome it. We can take the good and the bad, and we can do what humanity has done time and time again. Learn from it, evolve from it, becomes something better from it. But we can't do that if we cower in fear. From ourselves, from reality, from what it really means to live and be part of humanity.”You focus your attentions solely on Yurei even as Gina and Rath move, ever so slightly, into position.”And do you really think it’s right, Yurei? To force others to do your will? It's fine if you want your simulation, but it's a risk, it sacrificing your control of your own life to others and fate and hoping nothing bad comes from reality to stop it. Can you really fight the Crucible, something that would force a path on us, force us to be what it wants, while also forcing the same on others? Can you really fight, stand firm here, while stealing that right from others?”“I stand here just as proudly as you do, Defiant.” She replies coldly.”Can any of you really stand by her, take freedom and choice from everyone, while indulging in your own?” You broadcast, Escher’s gear clasped firmly in Francine’s hand. “Will you really let her make you sacrifice every moral, every bit of what brought you someplace to stand against the crucible in the first place, only so you can take everything away from others? Can you really stand firm throwing all away to run away?”You shake your head as Yurei just sighs.“I’d ask you not to.” You say.(Continued)
>>3853661I just hope BHOP doesn't pull punches. Then again, I'm something of a tabletop/LARP person where TPKs should be a real threat. This is definitely an "all-in" bet. We've got pocket Queens in Rath and Gina, but it's going to be one hell of a Flop. Let's see if we can make it to the Turn, never mind the River.
>>3853667”I’d ask you to remember what it really means to be human, not to listen to someone's idealized fantasies. Reality will not ever go away, but we can fight it, together, make something of it. But only if we don't ignore it, only if we work together, and admit to what that reality is, for us and for everyone.”You can feel it. You can feel the awe and respect blooming in the hearts of the Daughters present…even in a few of the Hyenas that have gathered around their leader.“Please, stand with me.” You plead, your fingers slowly beginning to spiral into a cohesive drill, just out of Yurei’s line of sight. “Stand firm against fear, against cowardice. Stand firm with me against someone who has no trust in Humanity, and show her what we can truly do when we come together.”You breathe in.You pause.You breathe out.”If we don't now, we may never get another chance.”It’s not until the end of your speech that Yurei catches on to what’s about to happen, your intentions veiled by the Pandoric Script until the last possible second.Then, it begins.Gina’s the first to move, the screeching howl of Joker’s Mask tearing forth as Yurei’s body shudders with amethyst light, the Interitus tearing through her biomass, sacrificing her own well-being for tremendous speed. From her mouth suddenly flows a torrent of yellow bile, the liquid billowing out in a ceaseless tide to surround you and your allies with a defensive barrier of merciless acid as Verurteilung and the members of how own swarm spring to life. The moment your Dominus latches on to your foe Rath bursts into a furious, twelve-armed star, sending a flurry of boils directly at the helpless Yurei.Except Yurei isn’t stunned.With a sweep of her hand, you’re nearly thrown back bodily by the explosion of frigid, howling wind that tears through the space, sending the boils wide as they begin to catch the crumbling mansion ablaze. Undeterred, Rath launches herself forwards, bringing her dozen fists screaming at Yurei’s face…and Yurei kicks off, matching her lunge in kind. The older woman goes low, her unbelievable speed carrying her under Rath’s multiple right hooks as she brings her right palm up and into the girl’s chest. Yurei spins in place, a blur of movement carrying the back of the same hand across Rath’s white-hot cheek, sending your friend crashing through the mansion’s wall and into the moor beyond.Your foe’s still finding her footing when your newborn brood finishes tearing free of your back, a quick burst of terraforming working with Gina’s acid to block Yurei from assistance…and with that, you charge. Your hand is a merciless drill, revving with terrible power as you aim directly for Yurei’s chest. She’s off balance, still recovering from her deflection of Rath’s attack. Your strike is perfect…but then again, so is her form.(Continued)
>>3853661> "This is not just uncouth and foolish, it's pretty much suicidal. This right here is asking for a TPK."I don´t know... If you see the clarification, Yurei indirectly declined any chance for defusing the situation, including cloning the Neurotic Halos for her, then departing on opposed, yet amicable terms.Plus Chaplain-anon made a good speech (See >>3852845, >>3852847 and >>3853388.) There are worse ways to go to war, and far less artfully phrased. Yurei plan and ours are pretty close, yet she bartered nor accepted the slightest compromise to her plan, which has glaring flaws.Including the itsy-bitsy detail of subsuming every single being into the dreamscape wholesale against their will. Fuck, considering phenomena like the Red-Ant queen, this is asking for the crucible, and consequently mankind, being eaten by the escaped offspring of surviving amalgams.Too extreme of a plan to work at the punishingly 100% absolute efficiencies needed for it to work.
>>3853670A burst of arctic wind from a slit in her leg renews her spin as she tilts, your drill spearing past her as her fingers latch on to your wrist and hurling you past her. You crash into Yurei’s bedframe, the mattress crumbling under the weight of you and your armor, but not before you’re able to plunge your drill into the floor in a last ditch effort.It works.Yurei falls to the floor as it violently twists into a spiral, the wood splintering and tearing as it’s helpless to resist the arcane force of your power.[Go, Francine!] You order, catching the Doctor’s horrified expression as she stares at your foe. [NOW!]With a blurt of static through your mind and a burst of ozone, Francine transmits a packet of pure information into your mind as she vanishes from sight, teleporting back to the Dragon’s Roost just after throwing down a spoke.You glance back to Yurei and, impossibly, she begins to stand, her legs trembling as she fights against the Sprial’s power. Her hands sizzle, flesh bubbling as Yurei flexes her fingers experimentally, watching them try to heal in the face of Rath’s overwhelming heat. Her jacket ignited, she just tears it off her frame and throws it directly into Gina’s wall of acid, where it’s immediately subsumed and extinguished by the shifting mass…and it’s then that you realize the source of Francine’s hesitation, as what she saw takes shape in your mind.“So…you’ve chosen to spit in my face.” Yurei mutters. “Very well, then…”>>YUREI HP: 9,350%>>BIO: 12,620%>>Core – UNYIELDING SPIRIT (Vitruvian Core - MAX): Yurei is rendered immune to the vast majority of status effects, and abilities that would apply stacks or debuffs now how have high chance of outright failure.“…Don’t blame me for what happens next, Defiant.”Shu the Defiant, Hunter of GodsVS.MADAME YUREI, MASTER OF DREAMSHP: 1510% (+1010% [Dominus: Active], Matron, Whistle: RHO CUNT. Halo:PRIMED.)BIO: 1620% (+110%, 2x Bishop, 5x Sub-Platelings, 16x Double-Knighted Grapplings, 1x Rook, 6x Knighted Gurrenlings, 30/30)CONTENDER: Gemini Maxims. FIRST: 6x B.33s. SECOND: 3x Parabellum, 3x Fullbore.RAVENOUS MAW: Primed.HUNDRED-HANDED: None.ACT: 3/3GG: 1750% (110%, SPD: +750%, Halo:PRIMED Interitus, Spine, Uzi, Jester’s: EQUIPPED)RATH: 1360% (0%, STR: +150%, SPD +150%, 12 Limbs, Cold: ACTIVE, Halo:PRIMED. Tormentis, Deliverance, Nail, Gauntlets, Daggers: EQUIPPED)Threat: Close, about to go on the offensive. IMMUNE: Stun, Terrain, ???, ???, ???.Intent: Stall until other enemies arrive, then trigger main power. Send one maid to set Engine to detonate, others to subdue foes. Order Ivey to get Hyenas and other guests to safety.YOU ARE IN CONTROL
(Gentlemen, voting shall remain open for the next two hours, after which rapid-posting shall be in effect until the close of the evening.)(I wish you all the luck you will need to survive.)
>>3853673BHOP, just to be clear, we're still in Isolation Mode, correct?
>>3853675yes. We're still in isolation. >>3853673>>3853671>>3853655....We've bitten off more than we could chew didn't we?
>>3853673damn, shes a tough one, but this was to be expected. still, she clearly did feel Raths heat, and wasn't entirely able to match us. not a good start but signs we can get to her.
>>3853677we knew this would be one of our toughest fights yet. we took this fight because that? right there? that will only get worse, harder to beat, and would be hounding us all the way to slow our own progress down.
>>3853677The other reason why attacking her now was a bad idea: everyone forgot she was an endgame foreign daughter and had the homefield advantage.I will suggest everyone to seriously consider setting up and escape route to retreat, since we might need it.
>>3853673So the Hyenas are gonna go and evacuate the guests.....while her Maids are gonna come to try and get us. They will probably have quite a few immunities and resistnaces like their MistressThis is getting me all fired up and my adrenaline pumping>A spoken reply we should definetly try and incorporate: "You threw the first glove into the ring when you threatened us"
Isolation Mode is going to be key with her Phantasmal Conduit abilities. I suspect she's planning to count on her Vitruvian to see her through the engine explosion so we need to stop that from happening. She's crazy Vitruvian, so can tank damage like nobody's business.>>3853677This is a sane(ish) B'Ni fight. She's basically immune to most of our tricks too, so I can only think of one way to win, and it's... ugly and damn near evil.
>>3853678>>3853683>>3853684>>3853674>(I wish you all the luck you will need to survive.)Mother fucker. This is going to be a very sleepless night. Bhop's probably seeing everything behind the screen and thinking that We can't pull this off by sheer statstical numbers. More like he already knows we can't pull this off. We've only gotten 1 round of information on Ivey's next move. We can't let the Maids detonate the Engine, we already know what happens when the Engine is detonated.This...this will reflect badly on us in the aftermath.
>>3853673So much for ditching the ladder of serially escalating bodyhorror beatdowns.
>>3853674does Verteilungs flare count as a status effect, or something else here?
>>3853695I would hazard a good educated guess that it counts as a status effect.Also, I'm getting the recurring theme sense that the Corruption that Vitruvians have is that of increasing mental inflexibility. Isabelle's neurosis of love, Yurei's unwillingness to compromise and be flexible...it all ties back into their core ability.
>>3853674Where's the Engine? Where's the Forge? I need locations and distance!>>3853695>>3853694>>3853690It feels like we came in very unprepared for this.
>>3853673>>3853676>>3853677>>3853678>>3853679> "UNYIELDING SPIRIT (Vitruvian Core - MAX): Yurei is rendered immune to the vast majority of status effects"Okay, regarding this, it´s NOT as much of a problem as it may seem. The answer?> SHU uses SPIRAL, then everyone PHYSICAL GRAPPLES:1º) Shu fires CONTENDER, then uses a souped, revved-up firmament spiral drill on the ground at maximum power and offence, plus OUR MAW-TONGUE to grapple her within the spiral.B) Everyone else THEN piles her in a grapple-pile with the SWARMLINGS, and RATH-TENDRILS. Have GINA smash her with the TERRAFORMING of Neon-ascendant, crush her utterly in place.C) FRANCINE: Sher is key. Her core will allow her to use Yurei´s skills as her own as when seh is in contact, avoiding her to trigger her NOVA-BOMB gambit.The KEY is that SHU is the only one she cannot counter. I think she mind-reads perfectly everyone except SHU given her unreadable mind upgrade. So SHU needs to grapple them in place so that everyone else can connect with their hits.
>>3853698yeah its the survival at all co0st thing that probably entrenches them like that....She probably also has a chance to heal using her own BIO as a fuelsource.>>3853674>(I wish you all the luck you will need to survive.)If the gods roll the dice we may be screwed but we will try to stop them from even rolling as much as possible
>>3853701eh, i think it was actually somewhat agreed upon this may be how it goes. my only annoyance is we forgot to use Spiritus. plenty of non hostile excuses to use it too.
>>3853703It says she's immune to terrain, so I think FtT spirals are going to be useless on her. Her maid constructs when they show up, maybe, but not her.
I'm thinking we should send Gina after the maid construct headed towards the Engine. Between Neon Ascendant and Gladiatorial Swarm, Gina can move three zones through walls. And Gladiatorial Swarm does extra damage against constructs. Have Gina turn on her worm armor and then Kool-Aid Man straight towards the Engine.>>3853703Francine is not here, sadly.
>>3853701Eh, not like being completely unprepared and massively outgunned has ever cost us a fight in the past.
>>3853710> "Francine is not here, sadly."Yeah, the post in >>3853703intends her to do this as soon as she is back.>"Stall until other enemies arrive, then trigger main power">"Send one maid to set Engine to detonate"Those are the parts that actually concern me, not her CORE.
>>3853673First Draft;SHU;>”Spat in YOUR face? You threatened me and my family over a trinket that can be copied while an engine sits right behind you. You threatened all of humanity. You brought this fight to bare, not us.”>have our Swarm converse on apraching targets, goal still to kill or keep back any reinforcements of hers.>What Swarmlings can, try and prevent the Maid from reaching the engine.>Keep Drill ready. >Move forward and keep her off balance with BB shots, forcing her to stay on the move.>Wait for your moment, then Grapple her with Hundred hands and your tongue. Make it look like you plan to pull her into your maw. Then, instead, after a single tug just let her go and charge with the Drill. Get it into her and stuck in her, then reapply all our grapples to her to hold her still, even if we have to take a hit to do so.GINA;>Keep the barriers keeping her allies at bay hostile.>Get yourself a spear spawned, and slip into the ground.>Sneak up behind her, then pop out, expecting her to know you’re coming, so be prepared to actually defend yourself instead of attack. Then, flare Verteilung aswell as a torrent of Acid to force her back and towards Shu. RATH;> Keep Yurei busy by aiming Boils for where shes dodging from Shus shots to. >Send out Strand Wires to block off her paths too, force her to use her wind or speed to dodge the razor wires, or back off again in another direction. Slowly try and do a squeeze maneuver on her with them, forcing her to have less and less space to maneuver. >Just as Gina tries her bargain, unleash and pull in all the Strands at once, forcing her to dodge the razors from all directions, helping corral her where we need her to be. >If Shu is able to get hold of her properly, choke her with your wires, use your Strands and the daggers like a grappling hook to dig into her and pull you to her. Then go nuts on her, no mercy. Make her hurt.
>>3853710Absoute support. BUT I would argue that she should FIRST enclose the ENGINE in an unbreakable bubble of tons of fleshcape via terraforming - the MAID cannot trigger the detonation if the engine is under meters of solid terraformed rock...
>>3853673>A burst of arctic wind from a slit in her leg renews her spin as she tilts, your drill spearing past her as her fingers latch on to your wrist and hurling you past her.Hey, wait, doesn't Firmament's Spiral not trigger melee counter-attacks? Does Yurei have an ability that lets her ignore that sort of protection?
>>3853710have you LOOKED at our foe? we arent surviving 3 more rounds unless we damn well stick together and fight her together. THATS our only chance at victory here. we can send a Jackling to the Engine to shut it down and make using it a neuromantic fight, if you're that worried, but we can also just kill the maid constructs too.
>>3853715I think she'll be immune to Verteilung's fear due to her core.
>>3853673Intent: >Stall until other enemies arrive, >then trigger main power. >Send one maid to set Engine to detonate, >Others to subdue foes. >Order Ivey to get Hyenas and other guests to safety.>>3853715>>3853713>>3853714>>3853710>>3853709She's got 5 ACTs. Please factor her action economy into our plans. Hold the fuck up.>Stall until other enemies arrive, >then trigger main power. What's her "MAIN POWER?" This is a huge red flag. This implies the Barbers are Ivey's enemies, or that she's planning on using her main power when all of our family arrives. We need to plan around this. >>3853718No, it triggered her auto-counter, and from the looks of it, she's got a Frost-type Generator ability that she used as her counterattack.
Well this went about as well as I expected. I feel like it was a mistake to attack her after she said she wouldn't bother us until we left, that just doesn't look good. Too bad I'm busy and can't really contribute.Also if we lose anyone here we're kinda fucked, the Halo is clearly what she needed to complete her plan and now we have basically given it to her.
>>3853715Solid plan and I like the addition of HUNDRED-HANDED.... but:> GINA BLOCKS ACCESS TO THE ENGINE: as in >>3853710 or >>3853717 is kind of even more important. If she detonates the engine, we will die for sure... and since GINA does not do physical grapples as well as SHU and RATH, she is better used by total denial of the acess to the engine in only one round.
>>3853726I think the fact that we revealed the fact that we have the Neurotic Halo outed us and forced us into the situation.
>>3853718wind is not a melee attack. i think she just actively activated it and either knew a leg opening would go less noticed, and/or needed an open wound to use it.>>3853722yes, its possible, which is why Ginas using 3 methods to try and force her back, and isnt doing it alone.>>3853724all we can really do is maybe have Gina lock the power down, if we're lucky. without know what it is we cant plan to much.>>3853727see>>3853721
>>3853732>>3853721or a Crimson Drone might work better than a Jackling, but still we need Gina here with us and helping us as her main focus if we want any chance here.
>>3853673I just realized that Dominus is pulling 1010hp. That's a lotta succ.
>>3853733This.We need to give all we got if we want any neuromancy to work.
>>3853721We're also not surviving three more rounds if the Engine implodes. I want to be sure of its death. Okay, alternate suggestion: Gina can use Neuromancy on anything she can see, and she can see through walls. How about she shuts off the Engine with a quick glance?>>3853724>No, it triggered her auto-counter, and from the looks of it, she's got a Frost-type Generator ability that she used as her counterattack.No, she used a judo throw. That's melee. The wind wasn't how she counter-attacked, the wind was how she boosted her mobility. I think she's probably got some ability that lets her penetrate "ignores counters" abilities.>>3853726She was going to attack us anyway, all we've changed is that she isn't having time to prepare for it. Which...yes, isn't as necessary for her as we might hope, but I still think that waiting for her to come after us would have given her more of an edge at the inevitable encounter than we would have gathered by then.
>>3853722its more that she incredibly resistant to such effects. Probably has normal resistances as well but we may as well use the power our BIO Budget is not gonna take a hit from that.>>3853715we are already spending an action to command the swarm then we can also convert one of them into a stealthed crimson drone and go and terraform the engine shut. That type of explosion is not something anything survives.Sneak up behind her, then pop outIs Gina gonna pull a Staubteufel?>>3853735More like 800% is being siphoned off >>3853738she can see through one layer of material the walls are gonna be to many and to thick to see it from here but she could use a crimson drone to do it
>>3853740>she can see through one layer of material the walls are gonna be to many and to thick to see it from here but she could use a crimson drone to do itCould have sworn she could see through two. Damn, I must be thinking of someone else. Amara, I think?
>>3853738>She was going to attack us anyway, all we've changed is that she isn't having time to prepare for it.Counterpoint: she has all of her allies present and knows the current battlefield better, as shown by her trying to trigger an Engine implosion.
>>3853673>>3853674also BHOP i think you got Raths and Ginas Armor enhancement numbers a bit wrong. or wait, just Raths, but depends on the context. you made Ginas the number the biomass translated into, but for Rath left it as the biomass she put into it. so, correct, i think, but using two different methods like thats a bit confusing.>>3853737>>3853738i guess she can try? i get your engine worries, i do, hence it being on my list, but Yurei is way too strong to have Gina go running off and not help us with her.>>3853740but yes, im fine sending a Crimson to the engine. will allow Gina to not need to keep her eyes on it too, so long term i think its the better option.
>>3853695(It counts as a status effect.)>>3853701(Both Engine and Forge are twenty meters directly below you, in the basement level of the mansion.)>>3853718(She already pegged you and Rath as the melee fighters, so she was targeting you next. It wasn't a strict counter-attack, but more of how her high-tier melee move set works when there's a clash and lets her cut through any counter-counters with an assured blow.)
>>3853747(Ah, good eye on the armor enhancements, I left those as placeholders. I'll correct them when I next update, thank you.)
>>3853746Countercounterpoint: She'd have even more allies when she came to hunt us down, and this battlefield isn't so advantageous to her. Once we deal with the Engine (which, yeah, is a problem) it's just going to be a rotten shack in the swamp. It actually has some advantage for us, though, because there's a Tier Five Forge here. November can swap her Core pretty fast. Once November gets here, we can boost her to Tier Five and see what she can do at full power. Maybe even fire off a Tier Three Autumn Protocol first, just for good measure. Though keeping Yurei still enough to fire it might be an issue.
>>3853749>>3853747Well then, Lets have Gina go digging and block the Forge and Engine by physically relocating them via Terraforming, before doing a surprise ground attack or terraforming from a different location.It's only a short dig.
>>3853749hrm, 4chan ate my post again. worrying trend. anyways, dang, expected that for Ver but it is what it is.the Crimson Drone and backup eye plan are on the list, but ill wait for more suggestions and discussion before posting a second draft over a few changes.
>>3853762its still action Economy we really need elsewhere.
>>3853771Then incorporate the Engine Block into the Terraforming Action where Gina makes Terraformed Barriers to keep Yurei's Maids away.
>>3853768could we also send a staelthed jackling?Just to make sure we really get there with at least one neuromancer. And if we get theer with both we might have a chnace to create two barriersinstead of one.Also Rath has to get back from the swamp. She would have to catapult herself in here so we could combine that with her laying out a net of razorwire. Though i am a bit uncomfortable with that since those wires are important to her movement overall and seperating them is not that easy. I see it coming Rath is gonna fly in get thrown out again and repeat. She is gonna spend as much time outside the mansion as she is gonna be inside.... I see it coming
>>3853749>(She already pegged you and Rath as the melee fighters, so she was targeting you next. It wasn't a strict counter-attack, but more of how her high-tier melee move set works when there's a clash and lets her cut through any counter-counters with an assured blow.)So she's got super-Judo. I wonder which class grants that. Fibromancy/Neuromancy hybrid, maybe?>>3853762>>3853771Wait, idea. If the basement is beneath us, why not just collapse the floor? Twenty meters of earth is nothing at our current level, we can make a sinkhole that big. The party all grapple up to the ceiling, Gina caves in the basement, the Engine is blocked off with rubble and Yurei gets knocked about. Immunity to terrain effects doesn't help you when the terrain vanishes completely. She's got her wind boosts, but I think it will still inflict knockdown.
>>3853768I get your hesitance over having GINA diverting her atention, but if the engine explodes, it is over.Generating Crimson jacklings both against YUREI answer the ENGINE+FORGE is cool, but a single terraforming glance guarantees our slow CRIMSON jacklings don't die before achieving their purpose.
>>3853780fair on Rath, but it didn't actually sound like that far a distance, its just the idea of outside-inside makes its feel further than it is i think. she can probably make good enough time.my issue i guess is we already only had 7 swarmlings to 'spare' which kinda wasn't enough already. i guess the Hyenas ARE busy, but it feels like giving them an opening is asking for trouble, but i guess if you really want both, ill compromise on that.>>3853777im not sure that works, but ill put it down i suppose if she can get to it.>>3853783we need something to stand on Anon and i highly doubt it will knock her about enough to where dropping back down to her level wont be catastrophic. it also means we basically couldn't do anything else this turn, but she very well might still be able to.
>>3853791Ther is more than one floor between us and the engine we literally can not seee it even with the Level 8 of the Halo.>>3853796That Anons idea about the collapsing floor however we can use. We jsut dont do it to the floor we are standing on we collapse the floor one floor lower. With Neon Ascendant Gian can see through the floorboards and terraform the lower floor and make that collapse without compromising our own platform to stand on
>>3853783> "Knock down the floor".This places YUREI in direct proximity of the ENGINE she wishes to detonate. IF she doesn't wind up closer to the ENGINE (sinkhole to other room of the house, away from reinforcements), I will SUPPORT it.
>>3853673>>3853715Second Draft;remember order matters BHOP;SHU;>”Spat in YOUR face? You threatened me and my family over a trinket that can be copied while an engine sits right behind you. You threatened all of humanity. You brought this fight to bare, not us.”>have our Swarm converse on apraching targets, goal still to kill or keep back any reinforcements of hers.>What Swarmlings can, try and prevent the Maid from reaching the engine.>Convert or spawn a new Stealthed Crimson Drone for Gina, and a stealthed Jackling for Shu, and get them on the Engine.>Keep Drill ready. >Move forward and keep her off balance with BB shots, forcing her to stay on the move.>Wait for your moment, then Grapple her with Hundred hands and your tongue. Make it look like you plan to pull her into your maw. Then, instead, after a single tug just let her go and charge with the Drill. Get it into her and stuck in her, then reapply all our grapples to her to hold her still, even if we have to take a hit to do so.>If you can, help Gina scramble and block control of the Engine.>IF things look to go south, or no other option is left… collapse the floor from under us and bury the engine. It CANNOT explode. Also, if Yurei big power she is preparing for looks like it needs to be stopped aswell.GINA;>Keep the barriers keeping her allies at bay hostile.>Once the Crimson Drone is in place, do whatever you need to keep that engine from being a bomb.>Get yourself a spear spawned, and slip into the ground.>Sneak up behind her, then pop out, expecting her to know you’re coming, so be prepared to actually defend yourself instead of attack. Then, spit out a torrent of Acid to force her back and towards Shu. >If necessary, use direct sight Neuromancy to stop the Engine, but only if it comes to that, you have other things to keep an eye on.>If you can, Terraform the Engine away and bury it somewhere it cannot be reached.>IF things look to go south, or no other option is left… collapse the floor from under us and bury the engine. It CANNOT explode. Also, if Yurei big power she is preparing for looks like it needs to be stopped aswell.>Use Hands and Maw to help keep your family from collapsing into the new pit and onto soldi ground if it comes to that.(1/2)
>>3853803>>3853673RATH;>Slingshot yourself back into the fight, burn some Tormentis if you must to get back to helping your family.> Keep Yurei busy by aiming Boils for where shes dodging from Shus shots to. >Send out Strand Wires to block off her paths too, force her to use her wind or speed to dodge the razor wires, or back off again in another direction. Slowly try and do a squeeze maneuver on her with them, forcing her to have less and less space to maneuver. >Just as Gina tries her bargain, unleash and pull in all the Strands at once, forcing her to dodge the razors from all directions, helping corral her where we need her to be. >If Shu is able to get hold of her properly, choke her with your wires, use your Strands and the daggers like a grappling hook to dig into her and pull you to her. Then go nuts on her, no mercy. Make her hurt. >Use your Strands to help keep your family from collapsing into the new pit and onto soldi ground if it comes to that.(2/2)
>>3853796I disagree. YUREI does not seem to have exotic movement types besides auto-counters, lacKing a floor will hurt her a lot more than us, which have terraforming, handed, tongue and tensile strands.
>>3853804I'd suggest that we also have Rath activate Erupting Grasp. That's ideal for close-in grappling damage, and rather than ignoring auto-counters like Firmament's Spiral it turns the auto-counter into an accuracy bonus for Rath. That might help when dealing with the super-Judo.
>>3853803LIke i said before in this post>>3853801 just before you posted again.WE are on the 2nd floor if we collapse the first floor we will ahve burried the basement without robbing ourselves of the floor we are standing on. We then also have the ability to see into the basement for further terraforming>>3853810Errupting grasp is already on see>>3853460
>>3853810it and ignition were both turned on last turn.
>>3853810(I do wish to point out that Rath did have Erupting Grasp active per the combat plan, and Yurei did not seem to trigger its effects. Make of that what you will.)
>>3853783(Also, superb call on the Fibromancer/Neuromancer Hybrid. That's exactly what she favors in melee.)
>>3853812id prefer all or nothing honestly. the more they have to dig through, the better, if it comes down to that.
Please, may we add >>3853810 to >>3853804?For >>3853810, ABSOLUTE SUPPORT. You, dear sir, are a credit to the team.
>>3853817>Unyielding spirit>Neuromancer/Fibromancer super judo>IllusionsI'm afraid to say it, but her core ability would turn her into a super saiyan by augmenting almost all of her stats. >>3853821>>3853824She's got immunity to Stacks, Stun, Terrain, three more unknown immunities, and has lot