"Now you know the truth, Truvietianne," you say, shifting your gaze from the elder Edelfelt sister to the younger. "What do you think, having heard it? Shall we resume our old alliance, and seek victory together?"

For a moment, the girl only looks at you, bewildered by the suggestion. Then she looks to her side, at her sister, and says something you can't understand; presumably in their native language. Luviagelita responds in the same language before turning to you and saying with a smile, "Your suggestion is quite intriguing, but also momentous. We cannot give you an answer without thoroughly considering the situation."

"Besides, Yumigawa-kun," Truvietianne cuts in, her strident energy contrasting with Luviagelita's cultivated serenity, "there are too many questions you must answer! Why were you with the Einzberns? Who is this Kōrakuhime girl? How can you plan to have me join you in the Holy Grail War again, when I cannot become a Master?"

You let slip an chuckle of undisguised mirth at Truvietianne's fervent questioning, considering your answers for a moment before speaking. "I believe you'd be most satisfied if I recounted the full details of my experience since escaping the Akeldama," you begin, " but we haven't the time. I'll limit myself to answering your questions. The Einzbern Master and I are cooperating, and it was for that reason that you met me in her company. I would like for you two to assist me in your capacity as magi of the illustrious Edelfelt house, without the need for either of you to be a Master. The aid of a potent magus is valuable in any circumstance, after all. Lastly, as for Yōjinshi-no-Kōrakuhime, well, I'll let her speak for herself." As you mention Kōrakuhime, you find yourself nonchalantly patting her head with your left arm. You did it almost unconsciously, in fact. Of course you moved your arm behind her when she draped herself against you and would have pressed your hand between your side and hers; but you hadn't even thought about bringing it up to pet her, like some affectionate cat. You simply did so, without thinking, when she came into the conversation. It's a strange instinct, you suppose.

When Kōrakuhime makes no move to speak beyond flushing slightly at your touch, Truvietianne quickly rounds on her. "Well? Who are you then," she demands, "and how do you fit into all of this?"

"I have given you my name... already." Kōrakuhime's voice is typically listless, but a suppressed smile faintly curves her dainty mouth. You can almost feel her excitement at the chance to continue her introduction, although none of the other three seems to notice that she has any emotion regarding the subject. "If you must... know more about me, however," Kōrakuhime continues, "I will say this. I am a second... artificial soul, created in the Akeldama and made into a Servant by the... energy which it held. When we knew one another before... I went by the name of Ogawara Yatsuhide."

At this, Truvietianne looks as if she's been turned to stone. You've never seen an expression stiffen so quickly. Luviagelita, by her side, simply looks on in confusion, perhaps hoping for someone to explain to her the significance of the name. Obviously Truvietianne isn't the girl for the job, though; once she finally manages to speak, it's to choke out, "Ogawara? But you-"

"Changed, just as Ani-ue did." Kōrakuhime cuts her off with surprising force. "We have both taken on new... forms, new names... we are different people from those who... bore our identities before."

"Why, it isn't only your body," Truvietianne says, sounding more energetic in her disbelief with each word. "You simply cannot be Ogawara. Your personality has changed, and you don't stutter, and-" Before she can work herself into a proper rant about the nature of identity and personality, one of Luviagelita's hands moves, under the table, and suddenly Truvietianne goes quiet.

"Thank you for answering our questions, Sir Alberich," Luvia says, getting to her feet. "Now, we must consider your proposal; we can intrude upon you no longer. Come, Truvietianne." She practically drags Truvietianne away from the couch, the girl being in such a state of shock at Kōrakuhime's identity. It isn't long before she has her walking properly, however. Then, just as she's about to step into the front hall and make her exit, Luviagelita turns back to you one last time, and asks, "Incidentally, which of the enemy Servants do you intend to strike at tonight?"

>[ ] You'll prioritize the other Saber. (Pride/Duty)

>[ ] You'll prioritize the dangerously long-range Archer. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)

>[ ] You'll prioritize something else tonight (Write in)

>>3801072
>[ ] You'll prioritize the dangerously long-range Archer. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)

>>3801072
>[ ] You'll prioritize the other Saber. (Pride/Duty)

It's finally time for our vengeance. We will finally prove who is the True Saber of this Holy Grail War!

>>3801072
>[ ] You'll prioritize the dangerously long-range Archer. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
Saber can be for later.

>>3801072
>[ ] You'll prioritize something else.
Look into the second miracle, summoning things.

>>3801072
>[ ] You'll prioritize the dangerously long-range Archer. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
Time for Odysseus.

>>3801072
>[ ] You'll prioritize the dangerously long-range Archer. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
It's time.

>>3801072
>[ ] You'll prioritize the other Saber. (Pride/Duty)

>>3801072
>"Incidentally, which of the enemy Servants do you intend to strike at tonight?"
Why would Luvi ask about that?

>>3801072
Ignore >>3801129
>[ ] You'll prioritize the other Saber. (Pride/Duty)
I still think we shod summon something first.

>>3801072
>[ ] You'll prioritize the other Saber. (Pride/Duty)
We're still pretty much trash at dealing with ranged threats

>>3801173
You are thinking that Luvia has already contacted Rin and they are planning to set up a trap for us?
We can always give her false targed and actually hunt for elusive Assassin or search for our Akeldama gang.

>>3801072
>[ ] You'll prioritize the dangerously long-range Archer. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)


>>3801173
To segue us into a vote.

>As you mention Kōrakuhime, you find yourself nonchalantly patting her head with your left arm. You did it almost unconsciously, in fact.
>to pet her, like some affectionate cat. You simply did so, without thinking, when she came into the conversation. It's a strange instinct, you suppose.
>When Kōrakuhime makes no move to speak beyond flushing slightly at your touch
Well, at least our Affection Points aren't as low as we thought.
Poor Ayaka.

>>3801072
>[ ] You'll prioritize the dangerously long-range Archer. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
I want more power before we fight Saber, we'll need it cause we'll probably have to deal with her AND whatever bullshit Harris has cooked up.

>>3801071
>"Besides, Yumigawa-kun,"
Well I guess she's just not going to stop calling us that.
...Alright then.
Fine.
Well, her reaction to Kourakuhime was about what I expected.

Now we've given Tsubaki headpats, the next thing we need to do is mess with her horns.

>>3801200
We have the element of surprise on our side. She and Harris think we're dead, most likely, seeing as they haven't come back to finish the job.

>>3801072
>[ ] You'll prioritize the dangerously long-range Archer. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
With Saber still pinning him down, I like our odds.

>>3801072
>>3801200
>[ ] You'll prioritize the other Saber. (Pride/Duty)
I'm changing my voice because the idea of the Emyia's finding her and making an alliance is something I want to nip in the bud

>>3801268
Yeah, also that.
We need to take care of Saber.
NOW.

>>3801277
Pfft, you worry too much.
Saber might not be too happy to work with the girl who corrupted her and the man who murdered her.

>>3801072
>[ ] You'll prioritize the other Saber. (Pride/Duty)

>>3801277
>>3801282
Also, you're forgetting that Hag of Archer is plotting something, as she for some reason took the Master of Rider.
Foiling an ongoing plot is more important than foiling a possible plot.

>>3801282
But why wait?
Why even get her the chance to consider the option or for her to learn about our continued exciting at all?

>>3801288
And yeah Hag might be planning something, but if we are successful in taking out Saber we'll be far more powerful than if we were to take out Archer and nab whatever they have for us.

>>3801288
And finally, we know that Saber and Archer are involved in a stand-off already.
Defeating Saber is going to use a lot of our energy and leave us wide open to an attack from Archer, who can attack us from likely over a few kilometers away.

>>3801072
>[ ] You'll prioritize the dangerously long-range Archer. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)

>>3801293
We also know Archer doesn't have enough power to kill Saber. That means her Instinct is keeping her safe, so if we claim it we'll be able to defend against his sniping, run up to him and score another kill.

>>3801297
Or we could end up not reaching him just like her.

>>3801297
No, we won't.
Most Archers can function from kilometers away.
Ayaka would be a fatal weakness as we would have to defend her in this scenario, even if we had Instinct.
We also have no command spells left to give us any sort of speed boost to reach Archer.

Additionally, we'd be almost entirely drained of our own energy from defeating Saber.

>>3801297
Elaborating on this.

Odin told us Saber and Archer have been in a stalemate because he doesn't have the power to kill her (easily) and she doesn't have the speed or durability to close in. We know IC that she has Instinct, which should let her swat arrows out of the air, and we have much better defensive measures than she does against arrows.
If we jump in and start a fight with her, Hag of Archer will most likely elect to wait and see who wins -- that way she can score an easy kill because the winner will be too tired to fight, and will either retreat or be shot down. That means if we beat her then we have an easier fight because of our advantage against projectiles and Instinct.

On the other hand, we can kill Archer first and face Saber tired while she's had plenty of time to rest. Or worse, she could come across Team Shirou: at best we lose some meals, and at worst they all unite against a common enemy because they hate us more than one another. Then they'll be impossible to defeat without Odin's help.

>>3801309
>Team Shirou is impossible to defeat with Saber.
Just add Korakuhime and Matsuda (sneaking suspicion that Hag of Archer might be involved with an Extra Servant due to her strange care for Rider's Master even though he should be useless to her.)

Also
>Kill Archer first
>Still fight Saber somehow after for no reason
Archers operate from Kilometres away.
Meanwhile if we kill Saber first, Archer is free to take potshots at us and Ayaka.
Saber has higher ranked speed and Mana Burst and can't reach Archer.

>>3801309
Also, please don't tell me you mean to use Kenotis against an enemy that can volley dozens of arrows at us for the entire duration of a long charge.

>>3801319
>Still fight Saber somehow after for no reason
We have to kill her before she can meet Shirou, that place is neutral ground and we hate her.
>Archer is free to take potshots at us and Ayaka.
Berserker could've killed Ayaka the first time we fought him. Shirou and Rider couldn't scratch him and we couldn't do any permanent damage, so he could have smacked us out of the way and run over to Ayaka.
Apparently she's good at hiding.

Even disregarding all that, we have ways of dealing with Archer:
>summon something to keep her safe
>carry her with us and run over at a safe pace while we block with our impenetrable cape and indestructible sword
>stay at a distance and throw portal slashes in his direction until he runs away
Pick any one of these.
>>3801322
Tell me what you think is wrong with the idea.

>>3801319
>Archers operate from Kilometres away.
>Meanwhile if we kill Saber first, Archer is free to take potshots at us and Ayaka.
Alberich can handle potshots now and will be even better at handling them after eating Saber. Ayaka has proven herself to be fully capable of keeping herself out of danger, and if worse comes to worst we have Korakuhime for added insurance.
Maybe a building somewhere near the battlefield, close enough for Ayaka to do her shit, set up with one of Korakuhime's fields.
If anyone tries to get in or something, Korakuhime puts em to sleep, and the shelter should provide enough cover for Ayaka not to get sniped while we take care of business.
As far as I'm concerned, we are fully capable of taking out either of them, and I feel we have more to gain from killing Saber as well as more to lose from not taking care of her now.

>>3801360
>>3801362
We managed to stop a single projectile from Archer which we marvelled at it having the same amount of force as Blackbeard's cannons.

If we're bringing Kourakuhime along, please recall what happened to Circe when she was hit by one of said cannons.

Also
>Berserker could've killed Ayaka
Oh of course, Berserker, a class known for their excellent eyesight, ability to find their target and strategic decisions.

>summon something
We don't know our limits, this is too risky to try the first time in active combat.
>carry her and run to a safe place
You think Archer won't just use this as an opportunity to take more potshots or relocate?
>spam portal slashes
I shouldn't even have to tell you why this is retarded.

>>3801379
Assuming Kourakuhime won't be active in the battle it should be fine either way.
Assuming they aren't fighting in the middle of the forest, there should be buildings to put Ayaka and Kourakuhime in so they can bunker down while we do the fighting.

>>3801402
But we're absolutely fucked if Archer determines their location.

>>3801413
Pfft, you worry too much.
Archer would be far too busy with Alberich and Saber to be hunting for a master he doesn't even know is anywhere close, and he can't very well destroy an entire complex of buildings on a hunch that they might be hiding in one of them.

>>3801421
I still think exposing ourselves to Archer like a retard is super dangerous.
We won't have the reserves to take him on after fighting Seiba.

>>3801379
>>If we're bringing Kourakuhime along, please recall what happened to Circe when she was hit by one of said cannons.
Recall that
>he knew what we'd do, and my Μαρδοξ wasn't enough to stop all three of the shots.
Also, there are more ways to protect Ayaka than simply blocking the shots, and Archer likely doesn't have the same rate of fire as Blackbeard because he has only one bow to shoot arrows with.
>Oh of course, Berserker, a class known for their excellent eyesight, ability to find their target and strategic decisions.
How soon you forget that Lumenza was giving him orders.
>We don't know our limits, this is too risky to try the first time in active combat.
I wanted to vote for staying in place and testing it, but I'm outnumbered.

>>3801431
Lumenza couldn't give him orders while he was distracted though.
Also, Lumenza couldn't afford to make such a stupid decision because Berserker sort of has to protect him against the three Servant level combatants.
>Archer likely doesn't have the same rate of fire as Blackbeard because he has only one bow to shoot arrows with.
Hahaha.
Even EMIYA can arrowspam.
Please, you would do well not to underestimate the Archer class.

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>>3801495
>Lumenza couldn't give him orders while he was distracted though.
He wasn't distracted that time.

>>3801495
>Also, Lumenza couldn't afford to make such a stupid decision because Berserker sort of has to protect him against the three Servant level combatants.
If he wanted to be protected he would've kept Achilles right next to him to block everything.

>>3801500
Irrelevant, he couldn't target Ayaka because it would lead to his shit getting fucked up.
Also
Typical Magus, so "muh prove superiority" was in full effect.

>>3801504
What, and just hope nobody has an AoE Noble Phantasm to incinerate him through Berserker?
That's dumb
Hell, if he was playing defensively, he would've been killed by a rift slash.

You know, we know absolutely nothing of Assassin and that worries me greatly.

I mean hey its an Assassin who is being smart.

>>3801549
I bet Assassin's Master wants to wait until the very end and steal the Grail from whoever comes out alive.

>>3801562
>Last survivor is Servant with four other extra Servants as his allies.
Mistakes were made.

>>3801580
Or

Alberich is literally about to make a wish and some sneaky asshole stabs him in the back.

>>3801589
>gets past Two Casters worth of Bounded Fields and magic specifically trying to detect him
>Adelheid doesn't notice anything with Mind's Eye (Fake): B
>Matsuda doesn't notice anything with anything he's got
>Alberich doesn't notice anything with Mind's Eye (True) and Instinct Combo.

I'd say he earned that backstab.
He better make it count though because Alberich has pseudo battle continuation and immunity to poisons.

Here's a thought, why don't we have Tsubaki scry on the Edelfelts now our conversation is over?
See if we can find their true thoughts on the matter

>>3801619
Speaking of Kōrakuhime, compared to how much I thought she would be smug and rub it in, she was awfully restrained.
We should do something nice for her in appreciation of her not fucking everything up.

Do headpats pacify her slightly?
More research needs to be done to determine this.

>>3801173
Because she's considering allying with you, and it's important to get a feel for the mentality of a possible partner?

So I know we've talked about this before, but since the update won't be out for a bit, does anyone have any ideas on what to swipe from Saber when we eat her?
I know we could double dip at any time, but since energy from servants is limited and it's very likely we might want something from the other 2 combatants, if you could have one thing from her what would it be?
I'm pretty sure Instinct would be the best for us since our sword is already freaky strong and while Magical Energy Burst would be useful, Instinct would make fighting a whole lot easier.

>>3802014
Right now, the best candidates imo are Mana Burst, Instinct, applying Achilles's Immortality to our armour, Excalibur fusion and Bravery.

We can get more power with enough sacrifices, too (Akeldama derived NP). So it might be possible to get all of them.

We should probably go for Instinct immediately after taking out Saber though.

>>3802014
Either the Divine Armor from Achilles or Conceptual Biology EX. Anything else, save maybe Mana Burst is useless for us.

>>3802053
>Instinct
>worthless
Come on friend, it's kind of a necessity.
The combo with EotM will be great and that alone will make us unbelievably bullshit skilled with a sword.
Also we're up against a War God, we need all the advantages we can get.

Mana Burst is less useful for us, we'd be better using it with an A-rank Magical Energy Parameter or higher otherwise we'll run out of steam real quick.

>>3802082
You seem pretty focused on combining Eye of the Mind with Instinct, though you haven't fully upgraded the skill you already have. Why is that?

>>3802089
I don't want to combine it with EotM
I just want both.
And yes, upgrading EotM is also important.

Instinct A is bullshit as far as skills go

Thinking about it, mixing avalon with kenotis might be what we want

>>3802014

I'm still going for Excalibur+HGS, since we have a holy sword ourselves may as well add in THE holy sword to it and find out what fun it'll entail. That and I figure we can hold out on the actual skill portion with getting sacrifices for ourselves since I'm not really feeling for Instinct as an immediate pick up

>>3802102
>mixing Avalon with Kenotis
Shame it doesn't exist anymore.
I too would like an EX ranked cloak that makes us totally invincible to anything upon activation in addition to passively providing pseudo-immortality with bullshit regeneration.

>>3801961
Kamen Rider: GATE OF KAMEN RIDER!
Gil: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>3802114

Hey we still got Archer and Assassin to go through so they'll have some nice stuff surely

>>3802116
Great, now you just need the question of "is there a Kamen Rider that can beat Gilgamesh".

>>3802103
Well it seems like we should grind EotM (true) to A before getting Instinct at least.
Should we do that, we'll be one of the greatest swordsmen in the existence.

Excalibur + Heilig for Excaliblasts
Invulnerability Armour
EotM A and Instinct A
Conceptual Biology EX
Mana Burst
Bravery.

>>3802121
That's true, I suppose.

I can't wait to get some mass sacrifices going for all these upgrades.
Prisons only though unless we get desperate.
Those pesky gas leaks.

>>3802129
We sacrifice every criminal in Tokio (at least those who trutly deserve it). After the war, we have:
1-Invulnerable portal cape.
2-Invulnerable near-instakill portal sword (with ranged attacks and summons).
3-Invulnerable armour.
4-Not-Avalon.
5-EotM A+/EX and Instinct A.
6-Conceptual biology EX.
7-Mana Burst.
8-Bravery.
9-All stats at A or above.
10-Etc (Hagia Sophia for Invulnerable Dracula castle where we are even stronger, also immortal, also can fly, shoot supercannons and is full of subservient ghost knights, maids and other servants because blackberad's ship... and anything else we can get)

Now imagine that you are an amateur Master in an alternate reality.
>The Einzbern summon Archer/Caster Zeus
>The cocktower assholes summon Lancer/Caster Shiva.
>The church summons literal GOD as a Ruler.
>You get desperate and summon a random Servant with a sword that fell from a malfunctioning portal hoping to get some strong eldritch god/aberration.
>You get an sentient, sane [Berserker] Albino guy that inmediately starts screaming "KORAKUHIMEEEE".
>You look at his "Servant sheet".
>E R E C T I O N.

>>3802223
We can't really get a Not-Avalon due to it not being around.
The most we could do is ask Circe if she can make us something that allows us to heal quicker.

You forgot Primordial Runes
And Gungnir + Excalibur on Heilig.
Sadly, the Akeldama NPs aren't really a possibility.

>God as Ruler
...
What?
>cocktower assholes
This typo got me.

>>3802251

You know I just got an idea into my mind, since stealing Roland's horn would bring Kosmos Orobouros I have something else.

Stealing the Adam Golem from Solomon bin-Gabriol. What'd that be like?

I also believe that to get the greatest swordbeam of all time. We MUST steal Ars Almadel Solomonis

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>>3802262
>We MUST steal Ars Almadel Solomonis
Nah, we gotta steal Slash Emperor if we want that.

>>3801072
>[ ] You'll prioritize the other Saber. (Pride/Duty)
Saber hates us so much that if we attack Archer they have will ally with each other against us while Archer will have a higher chance to either help us or let us kill her without interfering.
>>3801619
That was a thought I had too. They would hardly tell us no to our faces right now, so knowing if they want to ally, only pretend to or plain refuse is useful, so would be knowing if Truvi thinks different about it than Luvia.

>>3802282

Por que no los dos? Oh shit I almost forgot

>>3801072

>[ ] You'll prioritize the other Saber. (Pride/Duty)

We should stick to our strengths as a close combat fighter rather than have to slough through arrows before dealing with Archer.

>>3802285
>Saber hates us so much that if we attack Archer they have will ally with each other against us
Saber is unlikely to see the battle unfolding.
>Archer will have a higher chance to either help us or let us kill her without interfering.
Why do you believe this? Archer is highly likely to be pragmatic and take us out as soon as he gets the chance.
Especially if it's Odysseus.

Also, remember that Luvia is trying to get a read on us, going after the other Saber because "muh pride" won't be a great look.
Archers meanwhile tend to more dangerous to non-servants than Sabers due to the range advantage.

>>3802300
There's a reason going after Archer is Self-Preservation.
Fighting him on his own terms (ie. After killing Saber, low on energy and with him miles away in a sniping spot) is far too dangerous.

>>3802291
>We should stick to our strengths as a close combat fighter rather than have to slough through arrows before dealing with Archer.
The problem with that is we're definitely getting attacked by Archer after defeating Saber, meaning we get the lovely experience of facing Archer while exhausted when he's been observing everything we can do while fighting Saber.

Meanwhile, if we scry for Archer we can get the drop on him and engage him by surprise.

>>3802300
>Saber is unlikely to see the battle unfolding.
Both are fighting each other every night. If we attack during the night it's pretty much impossible to do so without the other finding out.
>Why do you believe this? Archer is highly likely to be pragmatic and take us out as soon as he gets the chance.
Because Saber thinks we are some avatar of the shadow. It doesn't get more likely that she will take any chance to get us killed. With Archer we do have the chance that he waits until we finished off Saber, because he believes we will be weaker after, since he doesn't know that we get stronger with each defeated servant.

>>3802323

I imagine if Matsuda IS here we could go for breaking control of him, him and Alberich dealing with Archer quickly while minimizing energy output. After that we can hunt down Artoria and have a proper round 2

>>3802326
>we get stronger with each defeated servant.
This is correct, but also isn't right.
We'll still be out of reserves after a big fight, meaning we'll still be an excellent target.

Do you really want Archer observing every single one of our abilities planning to defeat us?
When it could be fucking Odysseus?
One of the most intelligent and best planning heroes around?
The guy literally fucking known as Odysseus the Cunning?

>>3802291

I'm gonna switch my vote

>[ ] You'll prioritize the dangerously long-range Archer. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)

We already know what all Saber has, so time we find out who exactly Archer is and what we can provide if nothing of use may as well get a parameter boost or to unlock Achilles' invincibility armor for ourselves

>>3802332
It's shit in any way, but it is better than attacking Odysseus and having Saber also attack us.

Best would be to attack Assassin, but we can't find him, or to kill the Emiyas for power ups.

>>3802336
You're assuming that Saber would join a battle when Archer is likely kilometres away.
You're also assuming that Harris will permit her to do such a thing even if he were aware of the battle.

>>3802342
Those two know where to find each other, kilometers aren't a great distance for servants and us feeling like the shadow is a very good motivation for Saber to want us dead even more than Archer.

And Harris might not like it, but would he burn a command seal to stop her?

>>3802342
Also, a Saber vs an Archer close range is a battle that tends to end in seconds.
Hell, even EMIYA almost immediately got destroyed and he's one of the most melee Archers in existence.

If a fight started on our terms, Archer would be struck down in seconds.
Saber meanwhile is going to be a very prolonged fight.

>>3802351
>If a fight started on our terms, Archer would be struck down in seconds.
Yeah, if we start the fight on our terms. But somehow lacking anything allowing for stealth I seriously doubt we can get that close without Archer noticing us.

>>3802349
>Kilometers aren't a great distance for Servants
Greater than you might imagine.
There's a reason Saber can't get to Archer.
Saber seems to be quite loyal to her new master as of right now, she didn't finish us off because she was commanded not to.
She's likely trying to make up for her forced betrayal last war.

And by the time Saber can reach us, Archer should be dead.
There's also the problem of Harris attacking Ayaka when she does the ritual.
If he's done his research, he'll probably know what's going on by now and will track her down even if we hide her.

>>3802357
>But somehow lacking anything allowing for stealth
Tsubaki had to have done something to avoid discovery this entire time.

>>3802359
>There's a reason Saber can't get to Archer.
Because if you get shot at it is a lot harder to close the distance. If Archer is occupied with us then it is much faster.
>Saber seems to be quite loyal to her new master as of right now, she didn't finish us off because she was commanded not to.
Or she just didn't see a great reason to go against orders when we would die anyway.
>>3802362
>Tsubaki had to have done something to avoid discovery this entire time.
Bounded fields and I don't think those are portable.

>>3802365
>Or she just didn't see a great reason to go against orders when we would die anyway.
She obviously wasn't happy with the decision, if she thinks we're some Angra Mainyu thing she also wouldn't expect killing our master to have worked to get rid of us.
>Because if you get shot at it is a lot harder to close the distance. If Archer is occupied with us then it is much faster.
You're literally making up the worst case scenario for if we target Archer.
In all likelihood, Saber doesn't actually get involved.
Meanwhile, if we fight Saber first, we may as well reveal all of our abilities to Archer, and he already knows about our ability to get stronger by killing Servants, as he was almost certainly watching the Rider fight.

>>3802365
>I don't think those are portable.
She could always apply one to our armor.

>>3802383
Not "always" but "probably".

>>3802373
>You're literally making up the worst case scenario for if we target Archer.
>In all likelihood, Saber doesn't actually get involved.
>Meanwhile, if we fight Saber first, we may as well reveal all of our abilities to Archer, and he already knows about our ability to get stronger by killing Servants, as he was almost certainly watching the Rider fight.
So why would Saber not see us fighting Archer but Archer see us fighting Saber?
Your best argument is that we will have killed Archer before Saber arrived, but considering how Archer isn't a pushover, how all our other fights with servants never were short and how a servant like Saber can close the distance very fast without having to worry about getting shot it is very unlikely that we will have killed Archer before she arrives.
>>3802383
I think she had to establish a new one for every home she murdered people in so not sure that works?

>>3802398
>Saber not see us fighting Archer but Archer see us fighting Saber?
Oh gee, maybe it has something to do with the Archer class being made up of Archers, specialised at long range fighting?
Saber won't see shit unless she's actually already there.
She'd also get attacked by Archer too if she showed up. Making it a Free-for-All.
Why would Saber charge into a battle between two Servants anyway?
She's still got some "muh honour" left.

Also, you're really overestimating Archers in melee.

>>3802408
Anyway, it's worse for us if Archer (assuming he is Odysseus) sees our capabilities than for Saber to see them.
Odysseus is a strategic genius, renowned as one of the best in history.
Saber's main strategy in ruling was "Agravain pls help" and her main strategy in battle is to hit the enemy with her magic sword till it goes away.

>>3801072
Looks like we've got
Archer: 8
Saber: 7
Doing something else or not telling Luvia your plans: Nil

>>3802553
>not telling Luvia your plans: Nil
Well hopefully they consider our honesty to be a good thing for a prospective alliance.

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>>3802223
>Hagia Sophia for Invulnerable Dracula castle where we are even stronger, also immortal, also can fly, shoot supercannons and is full of subservient ghost knights, maids and other servants because blackberad's ship... and anything else we can get
>The Einzbern summon Archer/Caster Zeus
>The cocktower assholes summon Lancer/Caster Shiva.
>The church summons literal GOD as a Ruler.
the fuck you shootin up anon cause i want some

I really wish we had intel on archer to use in making a gameplan to fight him instead of the typical rushing in and finding whatever skill Sweets chose to no-sell all of our abilities with.

>>3802932
>instead of the typical rushing in and finding whatever skill Sweets chose to no-sell all of our abilities with
KEK

>>3802932
We could always ask Tsubaki to tag along.

>>3802993
Not until we give her a battery.
This is why I wanted Truvi here.

>>3802494
To be fair, most of Odysseus' strategical feats were performed against idiots. I mean, the wooden horse? Tricking a cyclops? Dressing as an old man? Most of them were pretty basic.

>>3803395
>the wooden horse?
One old guy saw through it and everyone just ignored him completely, so that makes the people of Troy doubly stupid. -2
>Tricking a cyclops?
To be fair, he tricked that cyclops into getting incredibly drunk first. +1
>Dressing as an old man?
Athena helped with that. +1

>>3803395
Yes, but he was the only one who could think of them and they all worked.

Also, he's a mythological character, so I'm not quite sure what you were expecting when it comes to shows of ingenuity.
Almost the entirety of his legend is him being a clever tricky motherfucker.

Unrelated but we need to headpat Kōrakuhime more often.
Next time she gets all haughty, stroke one of her horns.

What Odysseus might have:
>Affections of the Goddess
>Mind's Eye (True)
>Military Tactics
>Advice of the Strategist
>Charisma
Pick any of these, but no more than four.

>>3803824
>Charisma
Please and thank you.

No but for real, probably Mind's Eye (True) is probably the best choice.

>>3803824
A Servant Odysseus would only have Affections of the Goddess if he'd accepted Circe or Calypso. Having spurned them and lost the help they offered, he's out of luck where divinity is concerned.

"Archer," you answer firmly, meeting her eyes. You remember the humiliation you were put through at the hands of the Archer summoned in the Akeldama quite well. Now that you have an ally who can divine the location of your foes, there's only one possible answer as to your highest priority. "An enemy that can move without a Master and strike from a great distance is one I can no longer leave undisturbed."

"A battle between a Saber and an Archer, hmm?" Luviagelita smiles approvingly, like a patron looking forward to an excellent play. "That will certainly be a sight worth seeing. I'll be anticipating your duel, Sir Alberich." With those words of anticipation, she gives you a little wave and follows her sister out the door. In her wake, you're left with an odd, uncertain feeling. You can't quite tell whether her excitement at the prospect of watching you fight is real or sarcastic, and her general motives are similarly uncertain. Tohsaka said that Luviagelita had been removed from her mission due to a family emergency, didn't she? In that case, the Edelfelt sisters are here on their own authority; it's impossible for a magus outside the participants to become a Master at this point, though, so what they could want from the Holy Grail you can't guess.

"Was that true, Saber-san? You want to go after Archer tonight?" Ayaka's voice brings you suddenly out of your reverie. That's right, now isn't the time to be lost in thought over the Edelfelts' motivations. You need to make your plans with Ayaka and Kōrakuhime quickly; before Saber and Archer can get into their nightly duel, if possible.

"What I said to Luviagelita Edelfelt was true," you answer. "We haven't been able to pursue our most dangerous foes up until now due first to a lack of information and then to our plans with Emiya. Now, though, my sister can guide us by divination with no further hindrances. Tonight we shall dispose of Archer, the Servant most capable of interfering in future battles."

"Well... said, Ani-ue." Kōrakuhime, still draped over you, gives you her tiny smile. "One would... expect you to seek out your revenge... by hunting that other Saber... but you always examine the situation... rationally."

"I'm glad you understand, Kōrakuhime," you reply, moving your left arm back around her shoulders and holding her. After so much insolence from the girl, it's an excellent feeling to finally have her respect. "Your time spent advising me during the War in the Akeldama was not wasted. Now, show us where Archer is hiding."

"Here, Ani-ue." Kōrakuhime draws a white origami lotus out of her sleeve and hangs it in the air, just as she did when showing you Liliesviel's location. In a few moments, the smoke that pours from the flower forms into a thick cloud hanging over the coffee table, and in that smoke the hazy form of the city skyline begins to take shape. Then it grows more and more solid, and color fills in, until the image is as clear as a film projection.

Two angular towers rise from a unified rectangular base, stretching up into the night sky high above the surrounding buildings. Pale cement lines the space between innumerable windows, and at the higher points numerous satellite dishes and antennae dot the surface of the building. It's not a structure you can mistake for any other. "Tochō," you murmur, "Archer is there?"

"Look," is Kōrakuhime's answer, and the image moves, the point of view drawing closer and closer to the roof of the southern tower, where you can clearly see your quarry: Akagata Kyouka, the Master of Archer, stands at the edge of a heliport that covers the roof, and looks out at the city below. Her black evening dress whips in the high wind that comes with the altitude, but it doesn't seem to make an impact on the woman herself. She looks out over the city with a bored, impatient expression as she smokes from a lengthy kiseru. Beside her stands an enormous, musclebound warrior, easily the equal of Berserker in frame, with short, curly black hair and a beard to match. He's dressed in similar armor to Berserker's as well; another Greek, you suppose. This must be Archer, surveying the battlefield from above.

"I've allowed you to choose the location tonight, Archer," she says, and Ayaka starts a little at the sound of her voice. Up until now, the smoke has shown only silent imagery; the sound of the city, the wind, and other ambient noise are all absent. "I hope you will not disappoint me again."

"Don't worry, Master," Archer replies, and his voice is so casual and friendly that it shocks you. It's completely at odds with his appearance as a grim-faced soldier, as well as Kyouka's cultivated, elegant tone of command. "I can promise you, no Servant will set foot on this rooftop but me. With this location, I'll be able to put Saber down without a doubt."

"We've seen enough," you cut in. "Dispel the magic."

"Very well," Kōrakuhime answers, and the smoke begins to dissipate as the image fades from view.

"Archer said they were waiting for Saber," Ayaka says, giving you a nervous look. "How could they already know you were going to attack them, Saber-san?"

"Those two aren't waiting for me," you begin. "It's the other Saber they intend to kill tonight. She who left me to die after her Master slew your brother. When I was recuperating with Liliesviel today, I spoke with her Lancer as well. He's a self-proclaimed specialist in gathering information, and according to him Archer and Saber have been locked in a stalemate every night. Saber cannot close the distance to Archer, while Archer cannot break Saber's guard with his arrows. By waiting at the top of a building that towers over its surroundings, I imagine he intends to force her to make the ascent without cover or maneuverability, and shoot her down then."

"So what do you plan to do, then, Saber-san? Wouldn't you be just as vulnerable as she is?"

You shake your head. "That 'knight' is a Saber in the truest sense of the word. She is nothing but a sword, without means of defense or ranged combat. I, on the other hand, have Kenótis and Heiligöffnungschwert. I can strike from a distance, and defend more thoroughly while drawing closer. Tonight will mark my first victory over that accursed creature. I'll defeat the foe she cannot!" Even when discussing a battle against another Servant, the thought of that bitch sends you into a rage. Your fists clench unconsciously, and you can't help grinding your teeth. Tonight you must face Archer, but tomorrow... oh, tomorrow you will have your satisfaction. Perhaps you'll begin by using your Nothingness to disarm her, so you can deal with her execution without the need of your own sword. Snapping the slim arms that raised a sword against you between your hands, crushing the throat that dared to call you a liar, using a thumb to gouge out the eyes that looked down on you, there are so many things you could do with her...

You're snapped out of your reverie by a tiny, almost inaudible moan just by your ear. Suddenly you realize that there is flesh under your hand, and not that hated Saber's. Your fingers are digging into Kōrakuhime's shoulder! You let go with a snap, turning to the girl. "Are you alright, Kōrakuhime? My apologies, I lost myself for a moment."

There are tears in the corners of her eyes, and her lips are slightly parted, her breaths coming heavily. She's flushed again, as well, and you suppose she must be embarrassed at having been hurt so casually, because she quickly breaks away from your gaze, turning her eyes downward and saying, "It was... nothing, Ani-ue. I'll heal... in a moment." True to her words, she's back to normal after a few deep breaths, although the small bloodstain on her furisode remains as testament to your loss of control.

"Very well then. If you've recovered, then we can leave the manor in your care." You get to your feet. "Miss Ayaka, let us be off. Further delay could lead to Harris attacking Archer before we can."

"Wait," Kōrakuhime interjects. "I will not... remain here tonight. I wish to... test myself against this Archer. I cannot continue... hunting, only."

"Is that so," you say.

>[ ] "In that case, come with us. Between the two of us, Archer's defeat will be ensured." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)

>[ ] "Nonetheless, you will not be accompanying us. A Masterless Servant shouldn't be on the front lines, Kōrakuhime. Remain here and conserve your energy for a response in case of an attack on the manor." (Duty/Pride)

>[ ] Say something else (Write in)

Sorry to miss the update yesterday. A work problem cropped up, and I ended up having to go out almost right after I posted the tally. I'm hoping I can get another update written tonight, though, if enough of you are online now that I have a decent number of votes in the next hour or two.

>>3805124

>[ ] "In that case, come with us. Between the two of us, Archer's defeat will be ensured." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)

>>3805124
>>[ ] "In that case, come with us. Between the two of us, Archer's defeat will be ensured." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)

>>3805124
>[ ] "In that case, come with us. Between the two of us, Archer's defeat will be ensured." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
Stupid oni NEET finally earning her keep

>>3805124
>[ ] "In that case, come with us. Between the two of us, Archer's defeat will be ensured." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
Yeah, we could use backup here.

So what's the gameplan?
Maybe we can present a distraction while Tsubaki sneaks in and either takes the hag as a hostage or attacks Archer directly.

>>3805124
>[ ] "In that case, come with us. Between the two of us, Archer's defeat will be ensured." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)

>>3805124

>[ ] "In that case, come with us. Between the two of us, Archer's defeat will be ensured." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
She keeps Ayaka from getting GREEKED, we massacre the betrayer. Simple as.

>>3805124
>[ ] "In that case, come with us. Between the two of us, Archer's defeat will be ensured." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
>Alberich SEETHED so hard that Kourakuhime got harmed
Kek.

>>3805297
>She got harmed
And seemed to like it too.

>>3805308
probably an incest fantasy

>>3805315
A demonic masochistic incest fantasy

>>3805317
horrifying

>>3805315
>>3805317
>she wants us to be dominating on top of being dependable
Just what you'd expect from a former hikki otaku. Who knows what sort of degenerate fantasies cooking in her head right now.

>>3805124
>[ ] "In that case, come with us. Between the two of us, Archer's defeat will be ensured." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
Alberich please don't go into a retard rage thinking about the local Servant bully and hurt your sister.
Damn this superhuman strength.
Now we definitely need to do something nice for her.

>>3805334
>degenerate fantasies

I bet the number one thing on her list right now is holding hands.

>>3805355
Good lord, what would Judas think?

>>3805466
As long as you wear gloves, it's fine.

>>3805489
The plan:
>tsubaki makes an illusion of alberich to bait out any preliminary strikes in case archer decides to use his NP
>alberich runs out and distracts archer
>tsubaki hides herself and ayaka in the same way she hid near sakura and both sneak in FIND OUT IF SHE CAN DO THIS FOR MORE THAN ONE PERSON
>once they get to the tower, tsubaki takes the hag as a hostage until alberich gets there, while ayaka prepares the ritual
>alberich kills archer and eats him
The first draft. What's wrong with this plan?

>>3805791
Before we head out we should probably ask Tsubaki to explain her NPs in detail.

>>3805791
It puts the squishy Tsubaki and Ayaka in danger, to begin with. Tsubaki is a support Servant and should act as such.
Distracting and annoying Archer with illusions and fire and protecting Ayaka is enough. Plus, we don't know if Hag of Archer has any trump cards, like Outer Assassin or something like that. She still has Master of Rider with her as well.

>>3805988
Honestly, Tsubaki would do best to defend Ayaka and just pressure Akagata. If Archer's attention is even slightly split he'll be easy pickings for the new and improved Alberich.

>>3805915

That'd be a good idea

We could ask Tsubaki to throw some magical flash grenades like magic missiles with enough energy to kill a magi (make sure to remotely launch the missiles from a safe distance and not from wherever the girls are hiding). Archer can either let the missiles hit his master, jump from the building (losing the high ground anakin and becoming an easy falling target for rift slashes or bladed ribbons) or shooting the grenades doqn. That way, when Archer takes aim and blows them up... he'll probably close his eyes before getting blinded, right?

Also Tsubaki needs to keep her fetishes under control, Alberich would have noticed her bdsm micro orgasm if he wasn't the most oblivious murderknight in the world. Also in love (Where are you Circe? Please, tell me you aren't with Ullises, again).

>>3806508
>Also in love
Alberich is struggling with this whole "love" thing, due to only having had the capability to love for like 3 weeks.
While he certainly loves Circe.
He also loves Adelheid.
And Liliesviel.
And Ayaka is up there.
Tsubaki is also trying to get up there too but still kind of has autism.

Alberich is struggling with these new emotions and being surronded by beautiful girls isn't helping them.

Damn it Ogawara, what sort of garbage anime did you watch to influence our sister like this?

I think the best way to determine love forAlberich right now is whether or not he would risk his life to save them.

>>3805988
How else are you going to get Ayaka up there? The ritual won't work from miles away.

You consider the matter for a moment. You're not certain of Kōrakuhime's aptitude in battle, after all, and it might be better to have her stay here and defend the manor against attack by those who might try to weaken you by destroying your base of operations. On the other hand, you must consider the danger that an enemy specialized in ranged combat can pose against your master. Eventually, you make up your mind that leaving Kōrakuhime at the manor would be an act of misplaced caution. She can be most helpful by your side. "In that case," you say, "come with us. With you and I working together, Archer's defeat will be assured."

"Indeed," Kōrakuhime answers, giving you her slight smile. "We will... butcher him, together."

"Let us go, then." You turn on your heel, making for the garage. "We can discuss tactics as we approach Tochō. We haven't a moment to spare."

The two girls catch up to you quickly enough, and the three of you hastily get into Vaisset's Mercedes and pull out onto the road. Fortunately, you don't need an address this time. Not only is the center of Tokyo's metropolitan government a landmark, Yumigawa visited it several times as a teenager. Why he kept returning to the place, wandering the halls and examining as much of the building as was open to the public, you're not certain; he didn't know why even then, only that it was one of the few impulses to drive his generally emotionless mind. Perhaps even then he was fond of power, as you are now, and the trappings of it drew him despite their bland, bureaucratic facade. You remember the way 'you' stood between offices, watching the employees moving to and fro, carrying the documents that would determine all the little parts of human life for which government is required; the way 'your' eyes moved with them, tracking the documents, scanning their natures; the way 'you' were filled with a strange nervous tension that you couldn't place.

You shake your head, blinking the reverie away. Now isn't the time to lose yourself in Yumigawa Rushorou's memories. You're headed to a death match, after all, and it's the roof of the building you'll be making your way to tonight. You need to focus on something else, to keep your mind in the present. Then an idea strikes, for a subject both diverting and practical. Of course, why hadn't you thought to ask earlier?

"Kōrakuhime, why don't you tell me about your Noble Phantasms?" You glance over to your left as you ask, taking your eyes off the road for just a moment to meet your sister's. "I realize that you attempted to give me information on all of your abilities the night that we met, but I'm afraid the memory of that dream hasn't been very clear."

"My... Noble Phantasms." Kōrakuhime considers the question for a few moments, before continuing in a suddenly mirthful voice, "No, I don't... believe I will tell you, Ani-ue. If you would... like to know what they can do, I'm afraid that you must... wait until they're needed."

You're about to round angrily on the girl, when you turn a corner and suddenly see a dark-clothed figure standing in the middle of the road! You slam on the brakes, coming to a stop some distance away. Despite the near-accident, the man doesn't move, however. He simply stands there, motionless in the middle of the road, staring up into the sky. As you look around, you realize that the street is deserted aside from your car and the man. What's worse, you realize something else. It's weak, so it didn't make an impact on your senses immediately, but the presence of this man is unmistakably that of a Servant.

"Stay in the car," you hiss, "I'll deal with this."

You get out of the car, eyes focused and seeking the slightest sign of movement. If he makes a move to attack, you'll have your blade materialized before he can close the distance. You slowly approach the unknown Servant, keeping your guard up. As you do so, though, you can't help but gradually relax. This Servant doesn't even seem to be aware of your presence. Even as you draw closer, and he should be able to clearly feel your presence, he remains motionless and goes on staring at the sky.

Finally, you're close enough to get a good look at the strange figure. He wears a long silk robe, more Chinese than Japanese in design, all black save for cloth-of-gold stitching at the edges that gives the garment an oddly luminous quality. As for the man himself, he's as tall as you are, but far more slender. Black hair falls below his shoulders, framing an androgynously beautiful pale face and black eyes. All-in-all, he presents a thoroughly non-threatening picture. This must be Assassin, you surmise; a specialist in stealth, caught off his guard. The notion almost saddens you. As you're enjoying your cheerful thoughts of an easy victory, the man's face suddenly snaps back down, and he looks straight at you. He blinks twice, and then his mouth splits into a wide grin.

"Kaichou," he exclaims, in a rough voice totally at odds with his princely face. "Great ta see ya again! How've you been holdin' up?"

"It couldn't be," you mutter under your breath. Your bewilderment at this encounter can only mount, as you stare at the strange Servant, looking for any sign of the young gangster you knew in the Akeldama. "Matsuda?"

"Got it in one!" Matsuda's grin disappears as his tone becomes more serious. "I don't blame ya for bein' surprised. You haven't changed as much as I have, have ya?"

"No, I suppose I haven't," you admit. "I appear almost as I did at the end of the War, but you... I can hardly believe you're standing there before me, looking the way you do."

"Yeah, seems like I saved all my changin' for the end," Matsuda says, and looks positively morose for a moment, before meets your eyes again with a friendly expression. "Not you though, huh, Kaichou? Ya never gave up that trainin' no matter how many times I beat ya down, and every time ya came back, it was like ya were a whole new guy again." He pauses for a moment, considering, then continues, "Speakin' of which, why don't ya answer a question of mine, Kaichou? D'ya think ya woulda survived the War without me? If I hadn't taught ya ta fight, could ya have made it on your own?"

>[ ] "No, I don't think I could. The fighting techniques I learned from you saved my life, Matsuda." (Compassion)

>[ ] "I can't deny that your fighting techniques served me well, Matsuda, but I would have found a way to emerge as the victor of that War regardless. I had Caster, after all, and enough wit to make good use of her." (Pride)

>[ ] Say something else (Write in)

>>3807282
>[ ] "I can't deny that your fighting techniques served me well, Matsuda, but I would have found a way to emerge as the victor of that War regardless. I had Caster, after all, and enough wit to make good use of her." (Pride)
>[ ] Say something else (Your lessons however certainly made select moments of my struggle easier than it would have been otherwise so your training was without a doubt of great value.)

>>3807282
Oh well here we fucking go.
Time for a war of words to determine the true eldest sibling between the two who aren't lazy Hikkis.
By saying we needed his training to survive, we lose face.
But by saying they were of no use to us, we risk insulting him.

Really we should give an answer praising the training but also bringing up other circumstances like Caster's combat experience enhancing gloves she made for us.
And if we didn't have them, we almost certainly would've just made different plans.
Our physical training was always less important than our ability to keep a calm facade when we had no desire other than to kill our opponent.
After all, if you couldn't kill a Master before they could say a few syllables, you would die from their command spell.

>>3807290
Then again, Matsuda's intention here might be far simpler, merely wishing to know if we considered him useful in the Akeldama.
>"Yeah, seems like I saved all my changin' for the end," Matsuda says, and looks positively morose
And then the statement after implies he really wasn't happy, being forced to sit on the back lines.
Well, we know that to be the case, anyway.

>>3807282
>[ ] "No, I don't think I could. The fighting techniques I learned from you saved my life, Matsuda." (Compassion)

>>3807279
>matsuda became a wuxia protag
the fuck

>>3807290
>>3807294
You might be overthinking this, anon. Matsuda's a bro, he just wanted to know if he helped us in the end.

>>3807299
But to say he saved out life is a bit much.
Pride really is the most honest answer here, even if it's an ass thing to say.
I'm sure he'd appreciate it more, than honeyed words to make him feel better.

>>3807297
That's kind of unimportant, what is important is how the fuck he's survived for so long with no Master.
Also, we aren't sure just how aware he is of his new status.
Has he spoken to Judas?
I'm glad we brought Kourakuhime, it's a full on family reunion!
>>3807282
>>[ ] "No, I don't think I could. The fighting techniques I learned from you saved my life, Matsuda." (Compassion)
"But really, all three of us had our parts to play. My planning, Ogawara's research and your training were all crucial aspects that allowed for our victory.
Now, with us reunited as the heroes we were destined to be, we should be unstoppable." (Or something)
Also we should call him brother.

>>3807301
Then we should take compassion.
It's telling the truth anyway, without the training, Ambrose wouldn't have died so easily and Keiseki might've been able to call Rider.

>>3807301
That training definitely saved us against O'Mordha. Without it JUSTinian might've overwhelmed Perseus before we could kill him, and then we would be putting another stamp on the shelf.

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>>3807282
>suddenly matsuda
Wait, what's going on? Did I miss something?

>>3807309
B rank and A+ rank Luck.

It's the long awaited return of BroQuest except Bro #2 is now a girl and Bro #1 has unknown circumstances right now.
Also Ayaka is here too.

With 3 Servants though, we should be a fairly undefeatable force, depending on Matsuda's circumstances.
At least until we have to fight Odin.

>>3807314
Matsuda's an Assassin now, so it really couldn't be timed better than our assault on an Archer stationed on top of a tall building. That's some luck.

>>3807324
Matsuda isn't an Assassin.
And we don't know what the fuck he's up to.
For all we know he could be working with Hag of Archer, Or this person really COULD be Assassin, who killed our dear brother and stole his face
Either way, don't count your chickens before they hatch.

>>3807333
>>Matsuda isn't an Assassin.
>It's weak, so it didn't make an impact on your senses immediately, but the presence of this man is unmistakably that of a Servant.
>This must be Assassin, you surmise
Are you calling Alberich a liar? For shame.
>For all we know he could be working with Hag of Archer
In that case he's about to betray Hag of Archer very soon.
>spoiler
What are the odds, honestly? Now that I say that...

>>3807282
>[ ] "I can't deny that your fighting techniques served me well, Matsuda, but I would have found a way to emerge as the victor of that War regardless. I had Caster, after all, and enough wit to make good use of her." (Pride)
I would have simply adjusted my tactics accordingly

>>3807333
>Matsuda isn't an Assassin
>couldn't be scryed
He's an Assassin.
>Assassin killed our brother and stole his face
And his memories too?
Even we can't do that with the Shijou ritual.
>could be working with Hag of Archer
And he'd choose her over his siblings why?

>>3807333
It's probably nothing, but it is also interesting that we meet Matsuda now just after telling Luvia and Truvi about our target this night.

And if his master is Luvia or Truvi and they aren't on our side then his command seals make him a danger.

Do you guys actually believe that we couldn't have survived without his training? If so, great. But I feel like it's more motivated by the (Compassion) tag and being dishonest to the most likable character in this quest.

>>3807372
With the tactics we used, no.
We couldn't have.
His training was incredibly important for murdering our enemies.
It opened up the options that enabled us to succeed as well as we did.
It's not dishonesty either. Ambrose likely could've held out for much longer if we weren't trained, allowing Adelheid to break out.
Keiseki might have not instantly died from our attack, allowing him to call Archer.
O'Mordha might've just been able to kill us.

>>3807377
>call Archer
Rider, I should say.

Anyway, why don't you want to accept he was an integral part of our victory?

>>3807372
I agree with >>3807377. We were voting to go out and fight people head-on (vs O'Mordha, vs Blackbeard Dead End, vs Adelheid Dead End, vs Man With No Name Dead End, vs Judas), and it's obvious that one would need good technique to win fights consistently.

>>3807282
>[ ] "I can't deny that your fighting techniques served me well, Matsuda, but I would have found a way to emerge as the victor of that War regardless. I had Caster, after all, and enough wit to make good use of her. But it would have been the victory of a child hiding behind his mother's skirts, rather than that of the proud warrior. Your techniques were of great use for my purposes. (Humility)

>>3807408
Oh, I do kind of like this.

>>3807427
>forgot to put i
Goddamnit.
Let me try that again.
>>3807279 #
Switching from >>3807296 # to
>Write-in: "I can't deny that your fighting techniques served me well, Matsuda, but I would have found a way to emerge as the victor of that War regardless: I had Caster by my side, and the wit to make good use of her. But it would have been a coward's victory, unbefitting of me. Your techniques allowed me to grasp the only satisfactory victory." (Pride/Compassion)

>>3807429
Now, I don't think you can classify it as compassion/pride. The pride response with an acknowledgement of Matsuda's import is too cognizant of Alberich's own lack back in the day to not be /humility/.

>>3807436
I don't see humility in it at all.
> would have found a way to emerge as the victor of that War regardless
Very confident.
> But it would have been a coward's victory, unbefitting of me. Your techniques allowed me to grasp the only satisfactory victory."
This implies even more pride, implying that we're above any other path to victory

>>3807282
>>[ ] "I can't deny that your fighting techniques served me well, Matsuda, but I would have found a way to emerge as the victor of that War regardless. I had Caster, after all, and enough wit to make good use of her." (Pride)

I can see Compassion too, but why the hell would Alberich suddenly take an action originating from humility when he is practically the opposite of humble, unless it is false humility?

>>3807282
Switching from >>3807303 and >>3807445

To support >>3807429 or just Compassion alone
The Humility vote kind of accidentally shittalks him.
The Pride vote wrongly implies his help wasn't crucial.

>>3807282
>[ ] "No, I don't think I could. The fighting techniques I learned from you saved my life, Matsuda." (Compassion)

>>3807436
The other anon made my arguments in >>3807460, so I'll just note that it implies that Matsuda was important in getting the only good victory. I classified it as /Pride/ because Alberich considers any other victory to be beneath him and /Compassion/ because it recognizes that Matsuda's teachings were what allowed it in the first place (and thus that Alberich needed his help).

>>3807489
>>3807460

Sound enough positions. The principle of the writein(s) is what matters, not the nitty gritty of alignment.

>>3807429
This

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So, with this many Servants (as long as Matsuda doesn't go full retard), there's no issue with going after Saber after this.
Good fucking luck Harris, hope you're prepared for a 3v1 beatdown.

It's a good thing Saber is Arturia and not Lancelot.
Arondight is one of those unbreakable swords.
Excalibur isn't specifically but it might be unbreakable just because of what it is.
Regardless I'm looking forward to beating the shit out of the actual King of Jobbers. after disarming her.
And Harris is getting a very painful end indeed.

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>>3807605
What a coincidence, I just finished this.
Hair is a piece of shit for now, though.

>>3807615
Wow yeah,
That uh.
Needs some work.

Finally though, the heroes are reunited.
I can't wait to see one of the enemy master's responses to "THREE SERVANTS"
Alberich himself is now strong enough to almost defeat two Servant level enemies alone, while nerfed.
Heilig is such a great NP.
Caster should be an excellent Master Killer and should be able to set up bounded fields to heavily weaken enemy servants.
Matsuda should also be a fairly powerful Servant, but his capabilities are unknown right now.

>>3807429
Supporting this too. Seems rather fitting.

>>3807642
>Matsuda should also be a fairly powerful Servant, but his capabilities are unknown right now.
Taking a guess here.
He's a martial artist, so expect much better CQC and something related to Qi control (maybe a relative of Sphere Boundary? Tsubaki couldn't find him at all). He'll definitely have some kind of technique as his NP or rankless skill.

>>3807642
>>3807669
As of now he heavily remind me of Li Shuwen as he was in Extra and Extella. I would expect something similar power wise.

>>3807669
>>3807690
>It's a Saber gets beaten up by wobbly punches episode
Can't wait.
I hope Matsuda doesn't decide that we need to fight here to prove something though.
He's getting ribboned if he starts shit.

Damn it, Arondight would be much better to add to Heilig than Excalibur.

>>3807615
Damn, Saber's face is so cartoonish in that shot. It always makes me chuckle.
Also, Alberich's hair is a plastic gradient. That's fun.

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>>3807893
Saber losing there will never not be amusing.
>she can dodge the Tsubame Gaeshi, a technique honed to perfection to such a degree it intrudes on the realm of true magic because of a single tiny opening
>gets beaten up by High-School History and Ethics Teacher with super kung-fu.

The real question is who the fuck Kuzuki was even trained to assassinate.

>>3807914
There's some ridiculously strong guy from his sect in Mahoyoru too, isn't there? I guess they're just the best killers in the world.
In fairness to Kojirou, though, he wasn't being reinforced by Medea's magic. If she'd taken him around with her and buffed him, rather than Kuzuki, he probably would've sliced up every other Servant in jig time.

>>3807923
>I guess they're just the best killers in the world.
Wouldn't that be the Nanayas?
They should probably still be around.

Good ol' anemic Shiki moving faster than the eye can see and cutting 17 times in a second, somehow.

But poor Kojirou can't catch a break.
I don't think he ever manages to kill anyone, even in bad ends.

>>3807923
Koji still had fuckoff A+ agility tho, no? Just shit strength, weak sword, and general plot armor killed him.

>>3807984
Imagine Kojirou with a decent NP sword.
He'd be unstoppable.

>>3808014
>True Name: Achilles
>Blocks your path

>>3808047
>gets bullied by Medea and stabbed by Rule Breaker

>>3807309
Nope. Alberich's as surprised as you are; he's been missing and unknown, then suddenly appeared in front of you.

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You know, just in case it does become reality, let me just post something pre-emptively real quick.

You idiot, Matsuda! Who do you think you're shooting at?!

>>3807914
Damn, Illya is a real demoness huh?

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>Kill Archer on top of Skyscraper
>get whatever power-up
>turn around
>picrelated
What's the correct course of action here?
I doubt "Kenotis" is the answer either, she's likely aware of it's danger.
Anyway, will we give our allies the good old "don't interfere" and fight her one on one?

>>3808498
Obviously we taunt-cancel Kenotis into sword-portal, which will absorb the blast, then dash, call the assist, and then use the Super.

>>3808567
>call the assist
Sorry but those are disabled for this match.
Muh Pride Clause is in effect

>>3808576
What? But then there aren't enough frames to go into an attack after the dash, she would have already recovered! We have to raw Super her from a distance or she'll punish us, but if she blocks or dodges, it's over!

>>3808589
>not knowing how to pull off the long range Shadow Ribbon Grab infinite
This is why you will never be a Pro.

>>3808597
>inb4 Matsuda goes "Yo, you wanna learn how to do a fucking infinite?!"

>>3808597
Shadow holds are a low-tier strat with no place in Grail War level play. Alberich's grapples are high-key broken, you just need to get to them.

>>3808614
>Shadow holds are a low-tier strat
Truly spoken like somebody who mains Outer Berserker.

You gonna complain about how Lancer of Akeldama has too many Supers next?

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>It's Tuesday

>>3808607
What if Matsuda actually has training related abilities based on his time in Akeldama?

>>3808668
Oh shit, that could be the reason behind his asking.

Pride + Write In
>>3807285
Compassion
>>3807480
>>3807481
Humility(?)
>>3807408
Pride/Compassion(?)
>>3807429
>>3807480
>>3807563
>>3807659
Pride
>>3807465

I think?

If Matsuda is asking us this because he got a skill relating to it, we might want to reconsider our answer,

Remember, while Ogawara did basically nothing, the one thing they did do (research Servants) is likely the thing that turned into Kourakuhime's ability to scry.
I guess she got Akeldama by being the most compatible class for it, too.

>>3807429

I'll support this, training skills or not gotta show some compassion with pride to our brother

So, depending on how this goes (hopefully we can get Matsuda on side), we might be about to see the trainwreck 'first' interaction between Kourakuhime and Matsuda.

So that's gonna be a fun time.
I wonder how the dynamic between the three siblings is going to play out.

You weigh up Matsuda's question in your mind, carefully considering the answer. Would you have survived if Matsuda had not been there to teach you how to fight? You can't deny that the fighting techniques he taught you saved your life, that's true enough, but those circumstances were largely of your own design. If you hadn't known how to fight, you wouldn't have put yourself into positions in which you needed to. On the whole, you probably would have won the War regardless of Matsuda's presence.

"I can't deny that your fighting techniques served me well, Matsuda," you say, "but I would have found a way to emerge as the victor of that War regardless. I had Caster, after all, and the wit to make good use of her. Still, to win without facing the enemy directly would have been a coward's victory, unbefitting of me. Your techniques allowed me to grasp the only satisfactory victory."

"So that's tha way it is." Matsuda looks downcast once more at your answer. "I was hopin' my debt to ya was squared, but if you don't see me as havin' saved your life, that's a shame." He heaves a sigh. "Guess I'll have ta call it a-"

Suddenly Matsuda breaks off, and his eyes light up in excitement. There's a gleam of light, a flicker of movement, and the gruesome sound of a blade smacking home in flesh and blood from behind you. In one swift motion, Matsuda materialized and thrust a spear, just over your left shoulder. The moonlight glimmers on steel a hair's breadth from your cheek. Then Matsuda whips the weapon back to him with the same fluid swiftness, there's another gory sound behind you, and a corpse slumps to the ground. It's a young man in a priest's cassock, with long knives clenched in his hands. Where one eye used to be is a cleanly sliced hole, from which blood oozes out to form a pool at your feet.

Matsuda is all smiles again as he swishes his spear through the air, flicking the blood from its shining surface. It has an unusual shape, with a crescent-shaped blade on either side just below the spearhead, a heavy weight wrapped in tiger skin between them, and a large orange tassel at the base of the blades. In all, the polearm is over 7 and a half feet long.

"There now," Matsuda says happily. "I'd say we're square. You saved my life, now I've saved yours. You didn't even see tha guy creepin' up on ya, did ya?"

>[ ] Ask Matsuda what he knows. If the Church is after you, you need as much information as possible. (Self-Preservation)

>[ ] If there was a human trying to kill a Servant like yourself, he can't have come alone. Leave Matsuda be for a moment while you look for the rest. (Pride)

>[ ] Do something else (Write in)

Super short update due to my Tuesday schedule, but it's something.

>>3808812
>[ ] Ask Matsuda what he knows. If the Church is after you, you need as much information as possible. (Self-Preservation)
Ok, what is going on here

>>3808812

I KNEW Matsuda would be a Lancer! However

>[ ] Ask Matsuda what he knows. If the Church is after you, you need as much information as possible. (Self-Preservation)

>>3808812
>[ ] If there was a human trying to kill a Servant like yourself, he can't have come alone. Leave Matsuda be for a moment while you look for the rest. (Pride)

Let's clear the area before we start asking questions. I'm surprised this isn't the self preservation option to be honest.

>>3808812
>[ ] Ask Matsuda what he knows. If the Church is after you, you need as much information as possible. (Self-Preservation)
I guess that's the end of Fate/Overgrowth.

>>3808819
Assassins use spears as well mind you.

>>3808822
You're pridefully assuming nobody would take you lightly enough to attack alone.

>>3808812
>[ ] Ask Matsuda what he knows. If the Church is after you, you need as much information as possible. (Self-Preservation)
...
Oh no.
Please don't tell me that Matsuda hasn't had the talk with Judas and has been targeting the Church because of the Cid persona.

Also Alberich man wtf, how did you let a fucking human sneak up on you?

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>>3808812
>It has an unusual shape, with a crescent-shaped blade on either side just below the spearhead, a heavy weight wrapped in tiger skin between them, and a large orange tassel at the base of the blades. In all, the polearm is over 7 and a half feet long.
Double Houtengeki?

>>3808830
Hmm. But by choosing the other option we are also assuming that we won't be jumped the moment we let our guard down. Pride or no Pride it's not a good idea to assume you're safe just because you killed the first guy.

>>3808838
The proper name (which you don't know in character) is a fangtian ji, but yes, I modeled it on Houtengeki.

Oh man, is our armour even materialised?
Our sword isn't out either.
It's not impossible that Matsuda doesn't know we were transformed into a Servant. Though that would require him to not realize or have mistaken our presence as a Servant for another's.

Well, if he feels the presence of two Servants and can't pinpoint them, then it's an easy mistake to make.

>>3808849
>Oh man, is our armour even materialised?
No.
>Our sword isn't out either.
Correct.

>>3808812
>[ ] Feeling slightly dejected for not having detected the wannabe-assassin, you decide to ask Matsuda for a sparring session, for old times' sake. (Pride)

>>3808852
Oh boy.
So he might be unaware as to the truth?
Well, he strikes me as neither the sort to retreat into himself nor to meditate deeply for no apparent reason.
>>3808855
What the FUCK are you doing.
We've got shit to do, we're possibly under attack and we need to go kill Archer.
We can spar with him tomorrow.

>>3808834
>Please don't tell me that Matsuda hasn't had the talk with Judas and has been targeting the Church because of the Cid persona.
I don't think he likes Judas enough to attack the church just because of that. More likely Antaglio noticed we exist.
>Also Alberich man wtf, how did you let a fucking human sneak up on you?
He's a bit shocked and the human is an Executor, cut him some slack.

>>3808812
>Matsuda is more likely than not a Lancer
Lovely.
>Matsuda "repaid" his debt by killing off some random mook.
>We didn't even see the fucker coming and Matsuda dispatched him faster than we could properly see.
Tsk, Guess it was too much to ask that he'd come quietly.

Anyway, let's not get sidetracked.
>[ ] Ask Matsuda what he knows. If the Church is after you, you need as much information as possible. (Self-Preservation)
I refuse to waste time hunting down clergy when we still have Archer to deal with.
Let's just ask Matsuda what he knows, see if he's willing to join us once again, then get on with the mission.
It is great to see old boy back and in top form, though. Exciting stuff.

>>3808863
If Matsuda hasn't had the talk with Judas all he knows is
>Cid Ajisartous set up grail war
>Cid is a priest
>Cid put a knife to my throat
>oh cool, I've got superpowers now
>there sure are a lot of fucking priests with knives running around this grail war

>>3808877
As some evidence backing this up a little, he's got an identical speech pattern, he responded to Matsuda and didn't correct us and he still calls us Kaichou, not really appropriate to call a Servant.
While he can feel the presence of two Servants, Yumigawa Rushorou should have two Servants, so it's nothing out of the ordinary.
Additionally, we appear almost identical to Rushorou in the Akeldama, wearing a suit and not having materialised any armaments.
It's unlikely he's spoken to Judas due to his more carefree nature and ability to roll with the punches, so to speak.

He might not even realise we're a Servant.

You know I just had a thought for something. If Hime's NP really is like a recreation of Akeldama, if Shirou were to be put in as one of the participants and manages to come out would he end up being in the form of EMIYA?

>>3808894
If a copy of Shirou were to be made?
That's uh
Well that's kinda fucky because of the whole Soul thing which could mess with his origin.

>>3808894
>>3808902
But that's only for actual Akeldama.
The derived version is likely some form of super efficient mass sacrifice ritual that turns everyone caught inside (and their souls too, probably) into energy

>>3808894
If it was Fate or UBW Shirou? More like successful EMIYA.
If it was HF Shirou, expect Ultimate Chefmaster Homemaker EMIYA 9000 Deluxe Edition (now with free Reality Marble).

>>3808905

Hopefully it's able to target specific individuals, transfer the energy and the like for giving a proper boost

>>3808812
>>[ ] Ask Matsuda what he knows. If the Church is after you, you need as much information as possible. (Self-Preservation)

With the additions of calling him Brother and manifesting our armor, if possible

>>3808812
>[ ] Ask Matsuda what he knows. If the Church is after you, you need as much information as possible. (Self-Preservation)
How could a human possibly be that sneaky?

>>3808812
>[ ] Ask Matsuda what he knows. If the Church is after you, you need as much information as possible. (Self-Preservation)

>>3808988
>manifest armour and call him brother
Might be a good idea.
If he's still in the dark, we should probably tell him as soon as possible.

Sorry Matsuda, but the strongest of the Siblings is Alberich. (Or should be, anyway, a sword that cuts anything should hard counter a spear)

He could be about to be shocked just like we are shocked like twice every day.

Why do I get the feeling he's going to argue with Kourakuhime?

I like how all three siblings are physically beautiful but in different ways.
>Alberich is incredibly handsome, quite tall and has a body sculpted like a marble statue
>Matsuda is androgynously beautiful and is thinner than Alberich, yet is around his height
>Kourakuhime is a very short beautiful girl who seems immensely fragile
I wonder if Matsuda is pissed about his androgynous beauty.
inb4 also a female

>>3809274
>Sorry Matsuda, but the strongest of the Siblings is Alberich.
t. alberich
>He could be about to be shocked just like we are shocked like twice every day.
He's probably connected the dots by now.
• I got superpowers
• Kaichou is standing in front of me and he feels really strong
• (Anything he may have learnt from Judas, who could've made sure he learnt without having to look inside himself)

>>3809304
>• (Anything he may have learnt from Judas, who could've made sure he learnt without having to look inside himself)
You mean like he did for us?
Oh wait he didn't.
>• Kaichou is standing in front of me and he feels really strong
We aren't using any energy or trying to exude a fuck ton of mana so he might have us and Kourakuhime confused for our Akeldama Servants, we are wearing a suit after all and don't exactly look like a Servant right now.
>• I got superpowers
So did Yumigawa Rushorou when he summoned his Servant.
It's far more likely he isn't aware of his status as an artificial soul created to be a hero and instead thinks he got something like we did from the Silver Grail.

>>3809314
Lets think for a second.
Ogawara was a recluse and likely something of a coward, upon being transformed into a female Oni and being given a massive understanding of magic from nowhere, they were so shaken they retreated into themselves.

Alberich meanwhile grew two inches, got slightly more buff and knew how to fight with a sword, he also isn't the sort to retreat into himself from despair, as Kourakuhime did and his situation wasn't as extreme as hers.

Matsuda, assuming he's a Lancer, suddenly knew how to wield a spear perfectly, his body changed quite dramatically but not to the extent Kourakuhime did (Or Rushorou if he went from his original body to Alberich, actually, instead of having an intermediary stage) and his personality isn't exactly the sort that would retreat in despair at now being a superhero.

It's fairly unlikely Matsuda knows any more than Rushorou did before the Command Spell to reveal his identity.

>>3809314
>>3809382
A counterargument:

Judas knows how his heroes will react, since he determined it in advance by selecting the memories and personalities they would form (except maybe Alberich's) and took different measures to prepare them accordingly for their roles.
Alberich, who became a natural leader and took initiative throughout the Inner War, was given a hypnotic trigger to meet the fragment of Judas inside him since he would only think to look inside once he felt that all his immediate threats were deal with and his position was secure; Ogawara's natural response to fear and confusion would be to retreat inwardly, and so Kourakuhime was given a hypnotic trigger as well since she was likely to close up very quickly.
Matsuda, however, was always outward-looking and stable, and his natural response to sudden adversity would be to punch back rather than to retreat or analyze, and so direct intervention might have been needed to ensure that he would learn the truth about his nature and his new role.

Ultimately, however, there's not much to base either position off of. The only way to be certain either way is to ask him directly and find out how much he knows. don't give me (You)s, I don't want to continue this argument

>3809411
>don't give me (You)s
Your wish is my command

Both Alberich and Kourakuhime had to look inward to find Judas and Alberich himself has the largest fragment of Judas' soul.
Without the power of a Command Spell, even the largest fragment of Judas couldn't directly interact with us at all.
Assuming that Judas could just directly tell Matsuda is rather silly, when the story so far doesn't imply that something like that is possible and even states something like that shouldn't be possible directly.
It doesn't make sense to give Alberich an inward trigger either as he likely had the smallest reaction to his new form and wasn't likely to meditate on it due to his experiences in Akeldama already (he never really pondered about his new body there either)

He also still goes by Matsuda, unless he changed his name and doesn't feel like saying and he still calls us Kaichou (President).

>>3809428
Anyway, there's no reason for Alberich to approach a Servant as he did (no armour and no sword, who are we? Gilgamesh?) except for some kind of narrative pay-off.
Otherwise he would've been properly equipped to fight against an enemy Servant.
I mean, it's either that or our boy has picked up the idiot ball for no reason.
I prefer the scenario where Alberich hasn't become flounderingly incompetent for no reason, at least.

>>3809467
>>Anyway, there's no reason for Alberich to approach a Servant as he did (no armour and no sword, who are we? Gilgamesh?) except for some kind of narrative pay-off.
Apparently he did that because Matsuda didn't do anything at all.
>If he makes a move to attack, you'll have your blade materialized before he can close the distance. You slowly approach the unknown Servant, keeping your guard up. As you do so, though, you can't help but gradually relax. This Servant doesn't even seem to be aware of your presence. Even as you draw closer, and he should be able to clearly feel your presence, he remains motionless and goes on staring at the sky.

>>3809503
He relaxes for no reason and almost got shivved by Black Keys for his trouble.
Not like black keys are likely to kill us, but not actually manifesting our armour or sword is kinda odd regardless, even if your enemy seems unaware, because it might be a fucking trap.
Alberich keeps his armour on even when travelling across rooftops, if I recall correctly.

>>3809517
In your experience, intensity of magical presence directly correlates to combat potential. Matsuda has a very weak presence, which was a contributing point on why you dropped your guard.

>>3809673
Yeah but we also saw Odin do his whole dropping the act thing and increase his magical presence immensely. It just seems a bit short sighted of Alberich to act so careless against a Servant.

Will Matsuda have a Lancer's Luck?

>>3809713
don't jinx it

>>3809718
He was jinxed the moment he pulled out a spear.

>>3809713

More important question: Will Odin have a Lancer's Luck?

>>3809689
Odin went from 0 to 1000000. Matsuda, however, will go from 10 to 100.
Except for the singular case of Odin, every combatant Alberich ever met (outside Akeldama) has reinforced this idea.
>Shirou felt powerful for a human, turned out to be comparable (if inferior) to Alberich
>Brigliadoro did nothing except make Roland much faster, and was noted to add very little to his presence
>Kosmos Ouroboros has a greater presence than the Grail in that noncanon F/GO Sweets wrote it's a joke aaaargh
>Odin was the fucking strong when he showed himself
>>3809713
I sure hope not.
>>3809752
Definitely. All the Aesir are bound by fate.

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>>3809766
>Kosmos Ouroboros
I still want it. EX ranked "Fuck Everyone" Noble Phantasm. The greatest sore loser attack.

Anyway we also fought True Saber, and Mana Burst is sort of a skill that enables a Servant to become temporarily much stronger.
Though Saber was already way more powerful than we were.

>>3809799
Too bad interacting with Tiamat would probably BLACK --if not outright degenerate-- us.

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>>3809809
Conceptual Biology is a powerful skill if you level it up enough. You can't apply a cellular geas if there are no plysical cells to apply it to.

>>3809809
Out of like any servant, Alberich has the best chance of not getting corrupted.
He's entirely non-human and was born from the stuff the Sea of Life is made from (imaginary numbers)
Then there's the resistance conceptual biology (especially at EX) would grant him.
He'd be able to resist the effects if not outright be immune to them.

Tiamat only hates humans, also.

>>3809809

I am curious about what Alberich Alter would result in

>>3809831
He's already an evil psychopath who enjoys killing people. Probably not that much difference. Really.

That is if he can be altered at all, considering that eventual Gil level pride + eventual Bravery A+ and Conceptual Biology EX should make him untouchable to corruption of any kind

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Here, have this Magical Girl Circe.

Anyway I can't wait to have our rematch with Seibah.
Good luck touching Ayaka now, Harris.
Don't worry, you'll be kept alive until Saber is dealt with.

>>3809842

Who knows? Maybe Alberich Alter takes the Arjuna Alter route and ends up eating the Gods to take their power for his own?

>>3810235
Then that's not really altering in the traditional "Blackening" sense, brought about by Grail Mud or Tiamat Mud. Which is what I'm talking about here.

Like, you don't get Cu Alter or Jeanne Alter just by throwing grail mud at their unaltered versions. Because those two alters are actually edgy fanfic characters in universe.

>>3810309

I'm namely going for the idea of turning Alberich Alter'd in general no matter the means. Edgy fanfic Alberich sounds utterly terrifying honestly

>>3810331
>*portal caps behind u*
>"Pssh, nuthin personnel, kid."

>>3810334
Wait, so Alberich Alter (Assassin) is an edgy, sword-wielding version of The Spot (the Spider-Man villain)?

>>3810331
>Edgy fanfic Alberich
Now, the terror would be based entirely on who actually gets a grail to wish for fanfic Alberich.

>Adelheid gets it
>Alberich Alter is compelled to wear German WW2 Officer uniforms

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>>3810112
You never know, Harris might have some surprises in store for you.

>>3810348
Why did you post a blank image?

>>3810342
I guess Adelheid's Alberich Alter might also have a gun.

Circe's would be far more greek themed aesthetically and probably be a Lancer.

Not quite sure for the others.

I wonder if any of the Emiyas relate Alberich to Shinji at all. Probably Rin if any, as Shirou is a bot and Sakura black-holes all memories of le rapist. I forget- have we gone full /pride/ in front of them yet?

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>relate Alberich to Shinji
Uh.
Why would they? He doesn't really act anything like Shinji.
From their last interaction, Alberich denied knowing anything about Mainyu and revealed that he needs the grail to live and did try to talk the situation down with words.
Muh Pride hasn't really been a thing around the Emiyas either.
Also Shinji died 15 years ago.
They might've noticed a similarity in his voice if Alberich didn't have a new VA, though.

Also, it wasn't Alberich who started that fight.
Fucking Rider tried to petrify him.

Startled at the sight of the corpse, you cast your eyes about the nighttime surroundings, looking for any other sign of the enemy. All around you, the suburban street is silent and empty. The houses are dark, their inhabitants asleep, and the only living souls to be found are you and Matsuda. It seems, then, that you have enough time to find out what Matsuda knows about the mysterious attacker: most likely an agent of the Church, by his uniform, although appearances can be deceiving. The example of "Cid Ajisartous" is worth remembering.

"Who was that, Matsuda? Are you being targeted by the Holy Church?"

Matsuda shakes his head. "I wouldn't drop my guard that easy, if I was you," he says. "Those guys're wearin' somethin' that hides their presence. It's in tha crucifix, I think. Anyway, it's you they're after."

Before you can demand more information, an aged voice rings out in the darkness. "Lancer, in God's name what are you playing at?" The sound has no origin that you can pinpoint, seeming to come from no fixed direction. As Matsuda's pointed out, the presence of no-one but yourselves can be felt. At the sound of that voice, a chill runs down your spine. Things are suddenly clear. In a flash, you materialize your armor and Heiligöffnungschwert, leaping several steps backwards. At the same moment, Matsuda's blade swings around in a gleaming arc to cleave the air where your neck had been.

Status Updated

"Sorry 'bout that, y'old bastard," Matsuda calls into the night. "Just had ta clear up some personal business." Then, fixing his attention on you again, he says, "So you wound up turnin' inta a Servant too, huh? Ya got a real knight in shinin' armor look goin' on, it suits ya." He smirks at you, leveling the point of his spear at your throat. "Guess I was movin' too slow, then? Which one isn't with ya?"

"Matsuda," you say icily, struggling to hold down your fury at this treachery. "I want an explanation from you this instant. What the hell are you doing attacking me?"

Matsuda looks you over his blade, considering. Eventually he comes to a decision, and turns the point skyward, resting his weapon casually against his shoulder. "Ya know," he begins, in a contemplative tone, "a real badass doesn't need much of a reason ta fight. Somebody looks at ya wrong, or bumps ya on tha street, or maybe ya just hear they're strong and want ta see if ya measure up; so ya hunt 'em down and find out whose fist is tougher. That's tha kinda life I live, ya know?"

"That isn't your reason, Matsuda, and we both know it," you reply coldly. You're not going to let him paper over this situation with macho delinquent nonsense. "Who was the man who called you Lancer? How do you know what sort of mystic code the man you killed was carrying?"