Not wanting to disturb your sleeping allies quite yet, you lay in comfortable silence, the sound of their steady breathing blending with the idle chatter of your allies just on the other side of the door to ease your very soul. However, try as you might to still your mind and simply enjoy the moment, your thoughts wander to what happens next, what dangers there are yet to come your way. Francine’s offer is still fresh in your mind, holding the promise of ending West’s network of abominable proxies…at the cost of Francine, herself. Then there’s the matter of the two Hexane Amalgams that Mother generated in her own home in a desperate bid to slow you down, to say nothing of the journals you’ve retrieved, both Mother’s and Charon’s.

You have a lot to review, and it’s that nervous energy that prompts you to summon the Rook-class swarmling that slides out of your back and flits silently over to the door, despite its hefty bulk. Your world tilts, and in an instant you’re at the door, Gina and Rath’s hands entwined over the chitinous Rook that rests where you were a moment before. You make your exit as quietly as you can, gently closing the door behind you before turning to face the living room. A veil of black still weighs heavily on the Fleshscape outside the one-way windows, but the soft light from the Roost’s bioluminescent fixtures illuminates Dorian and Julia chatting animatedly with Quinn and Ace, while Amara and Keane seem to the in the middle of a quiet conversation at the edge of the FuzzBuzz pit. From the sounds coming from within the depths of the Forge room it seems November’s still hard at work, though a second and third glance around the space have yet to reveal a certain dark-eyed…

“Skippin’ out on those two cuties to look for me? I’m flattered.”

You whirl around to find Jackie leaning against your doorframe. She chuckles at your surprise, giving a little shrug before she continues. “Re-specced a little, put s’more points into this whole Neuromancy thing. Turns out it keeps me off the radar as far as thoughts go.”

“I’m less confused by that and more by the fact that you were waiting by my door.” You reply with a smirk, and it’s Jackie’s turn to be ruffled.

“Oh, uh…s’nothing weird, like...anyway.” She clears her throat, re-composing herself before casting her one-eyed glance over to the rest of her Crew. “I’ve been tryin’ to get their asses moving, but I feel like a Mom trying to break up a playdate. Broads won’t budge, so…figured I’d wait ‘til you got through bangin’ out your stress to say our goodbyes and whatnot.”

“I…okay.” You sigh, too tired to argue with Jack about what did and didn’t happen. “Sure there’s nothing I can say to make you stay?”

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“Oh, there’s lots.” She fires back, her shimmering onyx eye and half-cocked grin comprising the playful veneer she’s decided to put on for you. “If I gave you time to make an argument all eloquent-like, I’m sure you could convince me. Hell, my girls would love it…and I would, too. That’s kind of the problem, see?”

He gaze is fixed on your face, studying your features for a long moment before she speaks again.

“My Crew and I need to get stronger a unit, not as part of your family. The longer we spend around you and your family the softer we’re gonna get.”

“…Should I be offended?” You ask bluntly, and the question forces a laugh from the other girl’s lips.

“Ha, didn’t mean it as a slight. Meant the opposite, actually.” She says, her focus flitting between your eyes. “I dunno…I get the feeling that soul-searchin’s gotta be done between sisters, and too many cooks’ll spoil the broth…or soup, or whatever. Does that makes any sense?”

You nod, and her grin widens.

“Ah, there you go. Knew you were a sharp cookie, Defiant.” Jackie takes a deep breath before heaving a wistful sigh as she looks out the massive windows across the room. “So, what’re you gonna do now?”

It’s a loaded question, one that hasn’t left your mind since you woke up…and if you’re honest with yourself, it hasn’t left the forefront of your consciousness since you started your journey. You know that Francine is waiting on the delivery of the Nail and Spine, while Charon is going to be gunning for you and yours sooner rather than later. Perhaps it’s for the best that the Midnight Crew doesn’t accompany you from here on…their life expectancy might suffer if they’re by your side when the boatman comes calling.

In any case, you feel like you have a little time before you need to get moving so you could certainly use a little more personal time with your newfound family…though that could certainly be time spent preparing for the eventuality that is Charon.

>>”I’d like to make some Relics for your help, and then you said you’d consider us even, right? It’s the least I can do.” (Forge new relics for the Midnight Crew)

>>”I have a date with a West look-alike who may or may not be a nuts as her creator. I’d prefer to stay and chat, but there’s a pair of Daughters trapped in the Relics I’m bringing to her…I’d prefer to not keep them waiting.” (Bring the Spine and Nail to Francine)

>>”Honestly? I have some reading I’d like to catch up on while I take a breather with everyone.” (Read Mother’s/Charon’s Journals, or take a second look at West’s notes)

>>”It may sound weird, but I need to have a chat with a gun.” (Talk to Karma about Charon/Reyva, Write-In Question)

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL

>>3729696
>>”I’d like to make some Relics for your help, and then you said you’d consider us even, right? It’s the least I can do.”
as much as its sad to say goodbyes, lets let them get on with what they need to do, as prepared as we can help them be.

Jackie;
>Gain the Prideful Calphalor.
>Get a set of Hive Phones.
im still unsure on the spear over the glaive, but having a free hand has its advantages.
Hive Phones so our favorite group of bitches can stay in touch with us.

Ace;
>Get a Kuolema Rifle.
>Get a backpack mount to aim and load the rifle for her.
gives her a nice way to force enemies to get close, or face one hell of a punch at range.

Keane;
>Gain a Queen Crimson Copy, or another gift from Amara. (BHOPS choice)
>Gain Splat Gun and Storage Sac.
Keane and Amara seem to be getting the closest out of any group of friends, though that could just be how it appears due to how similar they are in attitude, but still. It's nice and i want to commemorate and grow that friendship.
The splatgun isn't exactly the big hitter i wanted, but its still a nice addition to her kit, so long as she has some variety of ammo type at least, as i think the mucuslings dont provide enough variety on their own to make the best use of the Relic.

Quinn;
>Gain Pokopina Khrisa.
>Gain Mordere Talionis.
The poko fits her well i think, especially with her goopy arms, and gives her a surefire way to get around her cores drawbacks,which even BHOP said the statues had only mitigated somewhat. Even if the engine and additional levels helped or fixed the issue, i still think it’ll expand her options in ways she wont complain about.
Mordere does what it needs to, gives her a boost to survivability while allowing her to be less of a target while shes in the thick of things, or punish enemies who try and take her out.


also, wonderful to see this back BHOP.

>>3729696
Shit i had sime witty comments written out, for it to convince Jackie to take the stuff we want them to, back at home...... How long do we have to vote I won't be home for another two and a half hours damn

>>3729716
If I can't make it home and vote from there before the end of voting I will support this

Ah, it's good to be back.

>>3729696
>>Write-In
>Division of labor time, none of these tasks require the entire party to focus on. We can't read the Hexane script yet, so get Amara and Dorian translating the journals. Start with Charon's, we'll read that first before we decide whether we should heed Silvis' advice not to read Ozmas'. Then we wake up Rath and Gina, have a little brainstorming session with the Crew where we discuss what Relics we think would suit them, have Rath start working on those. While she's Forging, Shu and Gina can use their Neuromantic abilities to cleanse the Daughter-Forged Relics, including Gamma's beam cannon. And Julia can take it easy, I guess.

>>3729719
well to be fair, she already agreed to take the relics, so we dont need to convince her.

voting for non major events is usually 1 and a half hours, with 2 being the overall standard. sometimes however he waits to post the voting time til when he promised to actually start when he gets it up early, so 8am CST i think, or sometimes waits til the time evens out, such as posting at say, 8:25, so he waits til 8:30 to post. take it how you will, both how that might line up for you and the autistic nature of the fact ive noticed such patterns.

>>3729727
depending on exactly how long it takes, gathering the biomass for the forging could take a more dedicated effort. i also want Amara around for her gift to Keane. Julia can help with the forging process, its not her fort'e but im sure she would be happy to help and an artists fingers cant hurt the process. that or sha can provide drinks and snacks to everyone.

im also curious what November has been working on.

(Gentlemen, it's good to be back. Voting shall remain open for the next two and three-quarter hours, to allow for my commute.)

>>3729696
Supporting>>3729727
And giving the crew>>3729716

A while back I started wondering if Mara's files had any Skintalkers in it, and if it included any notable words they had for Mara's Lexicon. Perhaps Julia can do that if she's not helping with the forging. Or actually, Gina could do that instead of forging. I'm sure she would want to go over the files anyway.

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>>3729736
>says all of that nonsense
>BHOP fucking throws out the oddest voting time to date in response.
well hell, im not even mad, but you could not have done that at a better time haha.

>>3729737
Ginas not forging, shes doing the thing only she can, which is purging the two relics that have ghost Wests in them of said ghost wests. honestly though Shu doesnt need to help with that, so she is free to do other things.

>>3729731
>depending on exactly how long it takes, gathering the biomass for the forging could take a more dedicated effort.
True, but that's prep work. Once Rath gets to Forging, Shu and Gina won't be needed. Nor Dorian and Amara, actually, so I guess we should move their job to during the Forging as well. That way we can still have Amara take part in setting up a cool present for her new friend. Okay, so focus on the Forging for now. That should make a fun conversation where we explain our logic, too. "Okay, so you know your melee specialist? We're giving her a sniper rifle. No, trust me, this makes sense..."

>>3729696
>"Got a lot of things on my plate ever since Mother's put me as #1 on her most wanted list. Lets talk Shop then. I'd like to make some Relics for your help so we can be even. I've got a few ideas and I would like to run them by you as to figure out what kind of relic best fits for all of you."

>>3729741
yeah, i mean, the logic does make sense, but its a very 'context is key' moment right there. i also more imagined Rath(and whoever else) forging as the biomass was harvested, to save time, but that still includes said harvesting which involves them being there. which, it just hit me we are flesh harvesting ourselves of pure... stuff, thats somehow different per class, despite all being organic matter, to enact a process still implied to be done via... somehow... hammering things into shape to a degree. in a black obelesk forge powdered by a molten heart.

god the fleshscape is weird, in a very metal kickass way, if it wasn't for all the cannibalism.

>>3729716
Just to post the list of Relic Ideas doc that we've accumulated in case we forget what each relic does.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1b_-8s0tin7DCQxITm6C69QULRnM_ibDfg18iV4dc7Fc/edit#heading=h.z8rqypgtrq2s

I still would like to give them the IV Staff. It'll serve as a really handy safety net/insurance Relic for the Midnight Crew. We've seen how badly their fighting capabilities go down when one of them gets put onto death's door. I really want to give this to them to help them survive better, but the fact that it's themed in a way that reminds them of their past might insult them really badly.

>INTRAVENOUS VITALIS STAFF: A Silver staff adorned with a Ring with a golden heart suspended in the center of the ring. The heart beats on its own and radiates a warmth full of life, two blood vessels branch out from the heart waiting to infuse its patient. It has no worth nor value in combat as a weapon. However, what it shuns in violence, it shines in healing. Simply holding it passively triples the health and bio regen of the wielder's innate regeneration. If a daughter does not have innate regeneration in any of its stats, it provides a regeneration rate equal 1/5th of it's total health pool and total bio pool accordingly and separately. But it's real use lies with the golden heart and the blood vessels that branch out from it. When the blood vessels are connected to a daughter on death's door, the relic becomes fully active and starts pumping Liquid vitality into the Daughter, automatically stabilizing the patient and prevents any further destabilization applied to the daughter be it cancer or any other debuffs like Neuromanctic takeover. Furthermore, the patient daughter hooked onto the relic may stay conscious and fighting while reduced to 1 ACT as long as the daughter holds or stays within close range of the Staff. A sanctified relic for those who venerate the practice of medicine and aversion to violence, but for some daughters like the Midnight Crew, the irony of a reminder of their past is not lost onto them.

>>3729737
BHOP did once say that Mara has Skintalker abilities, which before we knew that she was the dragon had us considering that maybe she used Skintalking to tame it. She might have notes on the Skintalker language in her study. Then again, we've also got ten words coming up once Amara gets around to studying the plaques of the Ascendants, so she's hardly hurting for new spells.

>>3729749
It's been established that harvesting biomass from a Daughter doesn't take long, and can be done in advance. That's how we made the Ignition Gauntlets, remember, Mara just had Niku peel off some flesh and gave it to us to use as we wanted. Which is pretty weird, now that I think about it, because that wasn't really Mara. That was her avatar construct. Can constructs be harvested for Bio to use in crafting? Something to explore later. Point is that Rath can just take what she needs upfront, it won't get in the way.

And yeah, it's metal as hell. I want to think that the Forge is doing some other processes and it only warms up because of waste heat from them, but that doesn't fit what we know about Forge Cores from November's gear. It definitely seems like producing heat is an intended feature. Maybe high temperatures "reboot" Crucible biomass and make it no longer count as part of a person, or something like that, I don't know.

>>3729768
Anon, late spoiler alert. Mara's real body IS the actual Dragon. The Construct/amalgam was the Human body that we see her often in.

>>3729769
I know. That's what I am referring to. She had Niku carve a strip off the arm of her human avatar body, not her dragon true body.

>>3729763
id like to see how much BHOP is gonna make this all cost us before we add anything else to the list.

>>3729768
well, odder actually, is that she pulled basically white calcite play-dough from her veins, in no small amount. and that was only like, 80%. part of the reason i want everyone involved and around is because all these relics are gonna be a bit costly, so after BHOP balances out the costs i want to make sure we can spread it as evenly as possible among the party, rather then just shotgunning it and hoping for the best, but that will take more effort and time from everyone than Mara just handing us an arbitrary amount to work with regardless of what we make.

>>3729776
(Calculating the overall cost now, Gentlemen.)

>>3729739
(I'll admit, this got me. Sorry for the odd voting time, I was about to post two hours until I saw that one Anon wasn't able to post or participate for the next two and a half hours, so I decided to stretch it out a bit. It lets me run calculations foe the cost of everything, so there's that.)

>>3729779
makes sense. though i dread whatever your commute is that its so long. long car rides never were my thing, for sure.

also i apologize if not giving even an inkling of an idea for costs slows things down, but to be fair, you have in the past outright thrown our guess out and completely redone them, so i started to figure if you would often have to redo them anyways it felt useless to keep trying to guess ourselves.

oh right, fellas, do we want take this opportunity to make our team the Sui Interitus and Cutis Tractus? think it was something mentioned in the past.

personally? we're probably already making alot and those would probably cost a decent amount, being really good armor. we can probably afford to wait til next time on them, though when and if theres a proper next time is of course a danger here.

>>3729797
We'll need to see the price tag for both of those on top of the relic gifts that we're making for the Midnight Crew.

>>3729779
I appreciate it.
>>3729797

Now since I got a momentary reprieve at work
We can ask for the price tag sure but we probably won't be able to afford them right now without exhausting ourselves to a ludicrous degree
Not with all the gift we want to give out

>>3729798
>>3729799
i now kinda wish we had further upgraded Raths forge Ability, but even if it would help greatly now its such a situational aid its hard to justify any proper focus on.

>>3729797
I'm fine with waiting for the moment. I think that right now we'll be better served not having our Bio supply drained super low than having these new suits of armor. We could avoid that by having the Crew pay the Bio cost for their Relics, but it's meant to be a gift so let's eat the costs ourselves.

>>3729802
Yeah, it's never a bad thing to put levels into, but I don't think it's ever going to be a main focus. It'll be something we upgrade here and there.

>>3729804
its not something to actually do, but it would be hilarious to say, use the Engine to bring back Niku, then just dump a bunch of levels on her forge Ability. the look on her face as she realizes we chose her just so she can forge for us and otherwise house sit while were away would probably be kinda funny, but for all the wrong reasons. wouldn't fit our character or course, nor would i actually want to treat her like basically just an object, but i also cant deny a certain level of silliness to the idea.

>>3729779
at least let us know the price tag please

(Gentlemen, the crafting values are below as a sum total for the gifts to the Midnight Crew. Below that you’ll find values for the IV Staff, Sui Internis, and Cutis Tractus, should you choose to craft them, along with a new total for those three and the Crew’s gifts.)

- Midnight Crew -

Hive Mistress: -30%
Neuromancer: -230%
Calcite Armorer: -550%
Vitruvian: -200%
Flesh Artisan: -260%
Humoral Paladin: -350%
Generator: -100%
Unnatural Predator: -200%

- IV Staff, Sui Internis, Cutis Tractus -

>Hive Mistress: -280%
>Neuromancer: -480%
>Calcite Armorer: -800%
Vitruvian: -200%
>Flesh Artisan: -460%
Humoral Paladin: -350%
Generator: -100%
Unnatural Predator: -200%
>Fibromancer: -200%

>>3729831
(If you have any questions, then please let me know. To clarfy, the highlighted sections are the ones that changed with the introduction of the other three Relics.)

>>3729831

Total cost after including IV Staff (For Midnight Crew), Internis (for Dorian), Cutis Tractus (For Julia): 3070% to be paid in either bio or health, with health paying 3x its value.

Current HP/Bio from each character:

>Shu: 1210hp /1280 bio
>Rath: 1120hp /800 bio
>Julia: 1310hp /580 bio
>Amara: 790hp /400 bio
>Dorian: 740hp /430 bio
Gina: 1480hp /1470 bio
>>3729834
And what of the FleshBag Relic if we are to create that? what would be the cost for that?

>>3729831
>>3729834

whew, alright yeah lets just stick with the base package for now. thats gonna be costly enough, though its more the new total is without a doubt too much.

speaking of, ive still got the list of what classes everyone has, to help us decides who can/should take what. i THINK its correct, with maybe Halos counting as Neuromancy?

>SHU: Hive Mistress, Flesh Artisan, Gluttonous, Generator, Humoral Paladin, Neuromancy, Fibromancer, Calcite Armory

>RATH: Vitruvian, Generator, Fibromancer, Flesh Artisan, Calcite Armory

>JULIA: Flesh Artisan, Gluttonous, Humoral Paladin, Calcite Armory, Phantasmal Conduit, Fibromancer, Unnatural Predator, Vitruvian

>DORIAN: Flesh Artisan, Humoral Paladin, Fibromancer, Generator, Phantasmal Conduit, Calcite Armory

>AMARA: Skintalker, Humoral Paladin, Phantasmal Conduit, Generator, Flesh Artisan, Unnatural Predator, Vitruvian

>GINA: Neuromancer, Vitruvian, Phantasmal Conduit, Calcite Armorer, Fibromancer, Gluttonous, Hive Mistress, Generator

>>3729834
wait, actually, BHOP, not to throw things too far for a loop here, but thinking about this, a few characters still have abilities and stats missing, so cost wise we cant really properly calculate how to spread this or even what our actual limits are as we dont know what their limits would be.

>>3729834
What's the cost of the IV staff only?

>>3729834
Bhop. We still don't know what the total stat boosts that we've gotten from the level up from consuming Isabelle and other various abilities.

>>3729831
I say we keep to the base package for now

>>3729837
(If I'm understanding you correctly, the flesh bag holders have been factored in to the base cost, since they're fairly low as purely functional items.)

>>3729842
(Bear with me a moment, I'll post them so you have a better idea of what you're dealing with.)

>>3729843
(Iv Staff: Humoral Paladin, 200%)

(Here are the new abilities gained from Isabelle's Consumption. Please note that Hungering Membrane has been replaced with Elemental Digestion, which grants a stat boost of HEALTH +260%, BIO +300%. I hope this helps Gentlemen, and questions are welcome.)

>>SILVIS’ RADIANCE (Indignant Ignition Augmentation): A shining light, a valiant fist. Rath's attacks now ignore all HEAT and RADIANT resistance or immunity. Additionally, she now gains 1 ACT at the start of combat with which she make make a free attack. (HEALTH +280%, BIO +160%)

>>OZMAS’ HOPE (Lexicon of Flesh Augmentation): Once, a very, very long time ago, there was a young soul filled with hope and light. All new words that Amara finds in her journey are automatically found one to three . Additionally, words uttered from Amara's LEXICON OF FLESH now count as one tier higher for the calculation of their effects and when they are countered by enemy Skintalkers. (HEALTH +300%, BIO +300%, ACT +1)

>>GEMMA’S YEARNING (Elemental Digestion Augmentation): Gemma's desire to see herself united as one is now distilled into a powerful boon. ELEMENTAL DIGESTION now deals damage to foes that would dare come within melee range by inflicting chip damage of any of the elements that ELEMENTAL DIGESTION currently has absorbed. Please note that the strength of this damage scales to Also, any construct that attempts offensive subcutaneous actions will be automatically converted into biomass equal to one-half of its BIO cost. Finally, you may forego the skills Julia would gain via CONSUMING an instance of a Gemma clone, and you may instead permanently increase the HEALTH and BIO bonuses this Augmentation grants by 50%.(HEALTH +300%, BIO +160%)

>>HELLHOUND’S PACE (Spring-Heeled Jack Augmentation, Tier 3): To run, to race, to flee the past and all the horrors it holds. Dorian now gains a stacking 5% CRITICAL DAMAGE and CRITICAL CHANCE bonus for every movement zone he traverses. Additionally, Dorian now ignores any and all effects that would hinder his movement, though he is still stopped by solid barriers. (HEALTH +220%, BIO +180%)

>>3729851
(Forgive me, please note that the damage inflicted by GEMMA'S YEARNING scales to Elemental Digestion's current level. Somehow that got cut off in the copy-paste.)

>>3729851
right, if everyone is willing, give me a moment to update the character sheets so we can get a proper read here, and thank you BHOP very much for posting these for us.

i do have one question BHOP, id assume Julia loses the base form of Hungering Membrane, including stats, but then of course regains most of it plus a small boost via the new version of Gemmas stat increases? i know it probably sounds silly to ask but just trying to be certain here.

>>3729857
(You are quite correct, yes.)

>>3729858
awesome, thank you.

>>3729851
>All new words that Amara finds in her journey are automatically found one to three .
I'm sorry, but I don't understand what this means. Is it like how she gets a choice of two words whenever she finds one, only now it's a choice of three?

>Please note that the strength of this damage scales to
This sentence appears to have been cut off, what does it scale to?

>>3729862
(My hatred for my own technology only grows.)

(Words Amara learns are now found one to three tiers higher than their base level. This will, of course, effect the words yoyll have a selection of a little later in the Vein. Also, please see >>3729855 for the answer to your second question. Thank you for asking.)

>>3729865
Oh, dang. So Amara gets higher-tier words and her words count as being even higher-tier. Nice. Ozmas, your corpse has some good shit.

And nice on the damage scaling to level, I can see some good uses of that. That reminds me of a question I had that I can't remember if I asked, though: Can Elemental Digestion proc off of damage sources that don't actually harm Julia? Say she passes through Dorian's Neon Wake, or stands close to Rath in Ignition. Those don't deal damage to allies, but could Julia still get electricity or heat/radiant damage auras from them?

right, everyone's stats and abilities should be up to date, including the fixes(i got ya BHOP, no worries).

new parameters we have are;

>Shu: 1210hp /1280 bio
>Rath: 1400hp /960 bio
>Julia: 1610hp /880 bio
>Amara: 1090hp /700 bio
>Dorian: 960hp /610 bio
>Gina: 1480hp /1470 bio

with
>>3729838
still being our class types.

honestly? i think we can afford the extra Relics, especially if we use a bit of that 1.5x value from Health.

>>3729865
BHOP, are those costs for the relics with or without Raths 20% reduction on each relics component trees? which id assume means each type of Biomass it takes to craft?

>>3729872
(Not yet, but that's unlocked fairly early on in the tree.)

>>3729878
(They include the discount, yes.)

>>3729879
Nice. That's going to combo really well with Stormfront Waltz, then. Dorian carries Julia into battle, leaving electricity in his wake, and then she carries that charge so that she's zapping the enemy on top of what the Neon Wake does. Julia is scary. I mean, all our party is, but we've probably made her into our most viscerally unsettling party member. She's a giant humanoid badger with bloodstained fur and jagged bone claws, riding into battle on a crimson fog, blasting everything that gets near her with electricity, producing a near-tangible aura of despair, and crystallizing your flesh with every strike. She is a nightmare.

I agree, Shu should be dead by now.

>>3729696
>>3729716
>>3729831
for the record BHOP, my votes for the extra Relics as well, but i apologize that Votings nearing its end so i may not get the cost spread id like done before voting closes.

>>3729878
we can probably easily afford them using our health pool by bringing the hp of rath, gina, shu, and julia

>>3729878
In light of this I'd be for it, but with the new armors being made after the Crew leaves. This is their present-Forging party, it would be rude to make things for ourselves in the same session.

>>3729894
my thinking aswell, though i still like to spread it between the pools. like i said, working on calculations now, and as you see above your post.

>>3729895
sure, but may aswell mechanics wise get it all done together. easier to count it all as one session even if within the world itself we do them separately.

>>3729892
>>3729881
hey BHOP i think Ozmas broke containment.

>>3729893
i still would like to give them the IV Staff as part of their present package. it’s 200% humoral paladin more, big it’s a really good relic the can use.
>>3729831
voting for base package but include the IV Staff into the package.

>>3729901
that is already in the increased cost calculations yes.

>>3729848
I am this anon.

>>3729696
In light of the discussion and me being home but my laptop throwing a fit so i cant access my file for all my notes.....

I will ammend my vote to support >>3729727


With all the Relics from >>3729831

and i would like to add to forge the stuff for ourselves after the crew left(All still in one session but yeah). Also add in the MANDUCARE ET BIBERE.... if possible and talk to karma a bit to make sure the crew knows how high on mothers shitlist they are. If they want to know

>>3729904
we already made the snack machine i think, and even if we didn't, im against adding it now.

>>3729906
we didnt make it. we went straight to bed without forging last vein

Hm.... you have your opinon and i have mine on that. right now the relic forging is massively in favor of crafting just the relics for the crew and the two armor pieces

>>3729887
>an elemental storm of frost, fury, blood, platinum wires, skin, terror, despair, and electricity
>two lovebirds dance together in loving embrace in the eye of the storm

>>3729910
huh? i think everyone agrees on the vote including the Armor and IV bag. im just saying we dont need to add a snack machine on top of the already increased cost. it really doesn't give us any advantage right now and we already have a doable but high cost to even out here without it.

>>3729914
That is pretty much what i said, i it think it would be a good idea to make the snack machine and you think it wont be a good idea.

So the people staying behind can have something nice to enjoy until we can get them out to feast. It would help with sanity loss as well if they can have some fresh produce sometimes

But i can see you not wanting it since it has no combat value and considering Charon is gonna show up soon........... I think i know where you are coming from however.

>>3729921
they have been fine without it, both in entertainment and in sanity. the costs are already too significant to be worth it.

>>3729893
>>3729881
here my personal vote BHOP for cost allocations;

Shu; -250% Health/ -235% Bio
> -100% Health for 200% Hive Mistress
> -80% Bio for 80% Hive Mistress
> -50% Health for 75% Neuromancy
> -5% Bio for 5% Neuromancy
> -100% Health for 150% Humoral Paladin
> -150% Bio for 150% Humoral Paladin

Rath; -160% Health/ -110% Bio
> -130% Health for 195% Vitruvian
> -5% Bio for 5% Vitruvian
>-100% Bio for 100% Generator
> -30% Health for 45% Fibromancer
>- 5% Bio for 5% Fibromancer

Julia; -430% Health/ -55% Bio
> -300% Health for 450% Flesh Artisan
>-50% Bio for 50% Unnatural Predator
> -130% Health for 195% Calcite Armorer
> -5% Bio for 5% Calcite Armorer

Amara; -100% Health/ -50% Bio
> -100% Health for 150% Unnatural Predator
> -50% Bio for 50% Humoral Paladin

Dorian; -100% Health/ -10% Bio
> -10% Bio for 10% Flesh Artisan
> -100% Health for 150% Fibromancer


Gina; -400% Health/ -400% Bio
> -400% Health for 600% Calcite Armorer
> -400% Bio for 400% Neuromancy

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>>3729696

“Figured we’d read some alien journals, have my best and brightest brainstorm with your Crew to see what Relics they’d like out of our own flesh and bone, then go exorcise a couple of Relics of the PhD ghosts that haunt them.” You reply after a moment’s consideration, and Jack just glowers at you when you shrug and smile. “You know, the usual.”

“…Your life is already so goddamn weird, I don’t know why I’m surprised.” Jackie says, her sigh turning into a chuckle.

You assign Dorian and Amara to begin deciphering the Hexane journals starting with Charon’s, and Julia joins them to spend a little more quality time with her fellow artist and their little one. Meanwhile, you’re able to rouse Gina and Rath from their deep slumber, with the latter pouting over the Rook you left her with, at least until you tell her that there’s crafting to be done. When the three of you return to the main room you find November emerging from the Forge room, her armor smoking, the plating glowing in several obvious places. You just raise a quizzical eyebrow at her as she approaches where you’ve gathered with the Midnight Crew.

“Tried to upgrade my armor by myself, but whatever Francine made this out of is too complex for me to do anything with.” She explains, with Rath a little taken aback at the identity of her Aunt’s armorer. “Figured it was worth a shot. So, what’s the pow-wow about?”

You explain your idea to the older woman in brief, and after sharing a glance with her terribly excited niece she offers to assist with crafting them a suite of potent Relics. After tossing around a few ideas and offering some key pieces of advice, you and Gina bow out of the collaboration after donating a bit of biomass to the Forge, feeling a bit lighter as you return to the large, circular couch that’s recessed into the floor. You bring out the Nail and the spinal cannon that West Gamma used against B’ni in their savage scuffle, placing them on the table before the two of you as Gina settles into the seat next to you.

“You ready to do this?” You ask aloud, an unnecessary gesture given your bond, but the cautious question is one you feel better voicing, regardless. She nods, her brunette locks shifting at the movement. “Alright, what do you need me to do?”

“Honestly? Just keep being a cutie.” She replies with a wink and a grin as she takes the Nail in her palm. “I know enough about West’s defenses to where I think I shouldn’t have any trouble. In fact…”

You watch as she closes her eyes, the lines along her forearms flickering with amethyst light that makes the Nail pulse once, twice, then…she opens her eyes, her face shifting into a scowl. You’re about to open your mouth to speak before she shakes her head, a smile on her lips despite the feeling of disgust that shudders through her.

(Continued)

>>3729967

“It’s done, and…I’m fine.” She reassures, glancing to the darkened fleshscape outside. “Just another sneering Doctor and another tortured girl. It’s…god, it just pisses me off.”

She gingerly places the Nail back on the table, her fingers hesitating over the gnarled spinal column just within reach.

“…Do you think she’s evil?” She asks, a curious note to her voice.

“West?” You blurt out, staring incredulously at the Neuromancer beside you. “Yeah. Absolutely, she’s freaking insa…”

“No no, I mean the other one, with the Disassociated Ones.” Gina elaborates, her emotions a tumultuous storm of wariness and curiosity. “Francine. I’ve never met her, but I got the gist of how she is from being around you again.”

“These Relics…she wants them back once we’re done, right? Meaning we’ll have to meet her in person.” She continues, studying your eyes intently with her hazel gaze. “If she’s earnest about wanting to do the right thing, do you think she’d be open to me doing a little mind-delving on her, just to be safe?”

“Maybe…why?”

“Well, I’m just thinking that if West’s paranoid enough to install backups of herself in Relics she just tossed in a closet and forgot about, then what does she have primed in an actual proxy of herself?” Gina shrugs. “I just wanna avoid a Manchurian Candidate scenario, you know?”

“No, that makes sense…” You relent, your answer doing little to curb the churning thoughts within the other girl’s mind. “...is there something else that’s bothering you?”

“Eh, it’s just…I get it. Wanting to change.” She muses. “I mean, I want to be careful, because I’ll be damned if anyone’s going to put our family in danger, but I…I don’t know. Like, I want her to be genuine. I want her to be being real with us, but at the same time I’m suspicious. I just want to make sure, and this…”

Her arms flicker with light once more.

“…this may be our only way of ensuring she’s being true to her word.”

>>”I think that’s fair, actually. We might be doing Francine a favor, if she has a failsafe she’s not aware of. And if she refuses, well…that’s not someone we’d want by our side, anyway. But yeah…I think it’s worth giving her a chance. Plus, I’m not going to sneeze at the chance to get November’s armor upgraded.”

>>”Gina, you and West couldn’t be more different. You’re a good person, but West, no matter her iteration, is irredeemable. Save your effort. We’ll get her the Relics, but I have no intention of helping her with whatever plan she’s made.”

>>”If you’re that worried, then we could find some other way to free the girls in these Relics. We don’t necessarily need to bring them to Francine. I’m sure there are other Phantasmal Conduits out there that we might be able to get to help us.”

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL

(Voting shall remain open for the next one and a half hours, Gentlemen.)

>>3729971
>”I think that’s fair, actually. We might be doing Francine a favor, if she has a failsafe she’s not aware of. And if she refuses, well…that’s not someone we’d want by our side, anyway. But yeah…I think it’s worth giving her a chance. Plus, I’m not going to sneeze at the chance to get November’s armor upgraded.”

>>3729971
>Lay a hand on her shoulder and smile confidently

>”I think that’s fair, actually. And she will understand our precasution, i think she isnt sure herself if she can be fully trusted"

>"We will ask for her consent to it beforehand and you can do as much mind diving as you think is necessary."

> "If she is genuine it would be an incredible boon to have a way to get rid of the west collective."

>"If she refuses or has a failsafe against doing something like that she is unaware of we can give her the relics like we were asked to but stop all further communication with her"

>"If she is genuine but has a failsafe we should not involve her further or go ahead and end her right then and there if she wants us to. I do not want to see her shackled to West Prime. No one deserves that......."

>"Either way i would like to coax out the secrets of Novembers Armor out of her beforehand"

>>3729971
>>”I think that’s fair, actually. We might be doing Francine a favor, if she has a failsafe she’s not aware of. And if she refuses, well…that’s not someone we’d want by our side, anyway. Plus, I’m not going to sneeze at the chance to get November’s armor upgraded.”
> " But Gina, you and West couldn’t be more different. You’re a good person, but West is irredeemable. Save your effort."
>”If you’re that worried, then we could find some other way to free the girls in these Relics. We don’t necessarily need to bring them to Francine. I’m sure there are other Phantasmal Conduits out there that we might be able to get to help us.”

minor edits to some parts, but overall i think it gets the point across.

>>3729987
id not give her the relics if we cant read her intentions. too risky, especially the nail and spine. dont remember if the jaw had a daughter inside of it or no, but if not, then fair, but the other two i want to hang onto until she can outright infront of us aid them, otherwise we find another method.

>>3729996
Sure.

The Throat cannon did not have a daughter inside as far as i know and remember

>Lay a hand on her shoulder and smile confidently

>”I think that’s fair, actually. And she will understand our precasution, i think she isnt sure herself if she can be fully trusted"

>"We will ask for her consent to it beforehand and you can do as much mind diving as you think is necessary."

> "If she is genuine it would be an incredible boon to have a way to get rid of the west collective."

>"If she refuses or has a failsafe against doing something like that she is unaware of we can give her
*the throat cannon like we were asked to but stop all further communication with her and find another method to save those daughters, same if she cant help them*"

>"If she is genuine but has a failsafe we should not involve her further or go ahead and end her right then and there if she wants us to. I do not want to see her shackled to West Prime. No one deserves that......."

>"Either way i would like to coax out the secrets of Novembers Armor out of her beforehand"

More like this?

>>3729971
>”I think that’s fair, actually. We might be doing Francine a favor, if she has a failsafe she’s not aware of. And if she refuses, well…that’s not someone we’d want by our side, anyway. But yeah…I think it’s worth giving her a chance. Plus, I’m not going to sneeze at the chance to get November’s armor upgraded.”
>I think it would be hard to check using Neuromancy, given November's anti-neuromancy defenses. She likely has those on herself, and perhaps because she's worried about West Prime herself.

>>3730003
sure, closer to what id like anyways. we'll have to see how things really go down though, once there.

>>3729972
also, you put the Ferali on the relics sheet but that was never ours, but Aces.

>>3730014
(Ah, my apologies. I'll make that correction at once.)

>>3729971
Ammending my vote from >>3729987
to
>Lay a hand on her shoulder and smile confidently

>”I think that’s fair, actually. And she will understand our precasution, i think she isnt sure herself if she can be fully trusted"

>"We will ask for her consent to it beforehand and you can do as much mind diving as you think is necessary."

> "If she is genuine it would be an incredible boon to have a way to get rid of the west collective."

>"If she refuses or has a failsafe against doing something like that she is unaware of we can give her the throat cannon like we were asked to but stop all further communication with her and find another method to save those daughters, same if she cant help them"

>"If she is genuine but has a failsafe we should not involve her further or go ahead and end her right then and there if she wants us to. I do not want to see her shackled to West Prime. No one deserves that......."

>"Either way i would like to coax out the secrets of Novembers Armor out of her beforehand"

>>3730003
>The Throat cannon did not have a daughter inside as far as i know and remember
Francine claimed it did, that's why she was retrieving it. But otherwise, yeah, I like this entry.

>>3729971
Changing my vote from>>3730005
to>>3730042

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>>3729971

“I think that’s fair, actually.” You say as you reach out, placing a comforting hand on Gina’s shoulder and flashing her a sincere smile. “She’ll understand our precaution, as I think even she isn’t entirely sure if she can be trusted, given her origins.”

Gina returns your smile with her own as she plucks the Spine from the table, while you continue to speak. “We’ll ask for her consent to it beforehand and you can do as much mind diving as you think is necessary. If she’s genuine, then it’d be an incredible boon to have a way to get rid of the west collective. And if she refuses or has a failsafe against doing something like that she is unaware of we can give her the throat cannon like we were asked, but we just stop all further communication with her and find another method to save those Daughters.”

“And if she has other failsafes?” Gina asks, her hands flickering with amethyst as the spinal cannon is purged of its defense measures.

"Then we should not involve her further…or go ahead and end her right then and there, if she wants us to.” You reply simply, watching Gina rise from the couch. “I don’t want to see her shackled to West Prime, and I don’t think she does, either. No one deserves that…but either way, I want to figure out how to upgrade November beforehand.”

Gina offers you her hand and you take it, rising from your seat to her grateful smile.

“Agreed…and thanks for hearing me out.” She murmurs, and she gives your hand an affectionate squeeze before the Midnight Crew emerges from the Forge room, proudly bearing your gifts. Dorian, Julia, and Amara stride up to you as you walk to rejoin everyone, with Dorian speaking low.

“Charon’s journal ends shortly before whatever incident Mother started at Almath, and it mainly contains records of their early days in the Crucible along with recollections of Hexane culture, but that’s not the interesting part.” He whispers, Charon’s journal clutched in his left hand. “That’s all we were able to decipher before it tried to draw us in.”

“Excuse me?”

“They’re a Hexane creation, I feel like a fool for not realizing it before.” Dorian says hurriedly as you reach the Crew. “It’s not so much as what’s written in them, but rather the experiences of the writer that are contained within them. They allow a perfect recollection, and it’s simply fascina…Amara, where are you…?”

“I’ll be right back, I wanna go make something!” Amara calls back, darting around the girls before you and disappearing into the scarlet gloom of the Forge.

(Continued)

>>3730160

“Yo, these are friggin’ sweet.” Jackie says with a grin, giving her glaive an experimental one-handed twirl, while the other holds a Hive Phone. “Good to know you wanna keep in touch, too.”

Ace racks the bolt of her new Kuolema Rifle, giving a satisfied nod that belies the waves of giddiness that emanate across the empathic channel. Quinn, on the other hand, is busy fawning over the pair of Relics you’ve crafted for her, while Keane starts her own, clumsier twirl of the IV Staff before Amara trots out of the Forgeroom with a wide grin. She thrusts a bundle into Keane’s arms, staring at her expectantly like only a child giving a gift really can, watching intently as the other girl unwraps a freshly-made Lantern of Dreams.

“You said you had trouble getting to sleep, and about the weird dreams and stuff, so I wanted to make this for you!” Amara says, hands behind her back as Keane just stares at the lantern, her lips pursed tight. “Sleep’s really important, and now you can share your dreams with Ace and everyone, so they can protect you when you have bad dre…”

Amara doesn’t get to finish her sentence before Keane’s scooped the little girl up in her arms, holding her tight as she spins her around. Keane’s eyes are wet with tears when she finally puts your youngest teammate down, and you begin your goodbyes in earnest before Jackie calls for everyone to settle down before addressing you directly.

“Thank you, Shu. Thanks to every one of you, actually.” Jackie stumbles, her words of appreciation coming out a little stilted, a little forced…though no less genuine for it. “I think I speak for all of us when I say we had good drinks, good times, and…yeah. This was fun.”

“Let’s let it n-not b-be the last t-time, alright?” Julia adds, and Quinn nods quickly.

“Aye. In fact, I think if we let too long pass before our next drinking party then I’m gonna get an earful from this, aren’t I?” Jackie clips, shaking the Hive Phone. “Anyway…yeah. So, keep being badasses, and keep being…well, defiant.”

“See you around, Jack.” You say, and the leader of the Midnight Crew just gives a little salute before the air shimmers around them, and they’re gone. It’s quieter in the Dragon’s Roost, now…but the echoes of their gratitude and goodwill can still be felt across the empathic channel.

Now, the space is yours…though time is still of the essence.

>>Stay here and delve into the journals personally.

>>Stay at the Roost and spend time with your family.

>>Speak to Karma.

>>Write-In

OR

COMPOSE YOUR PARTY AND LOADOUT, THEN

>>Depart for the Disassociated Ones

>>Continue Westward.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL

(Voting shall remain open for the next two hours, Gentlemen. Apologies for the wait, work had a busy spell before I had the chance to finish up the post, so thank you for bearing with me.)

(Also, would anyone be up for a spot of rapid-posting this evening, starting about four hours from now? Let me know, as we may be able to do that again tomorrow as well if that works for everyone's schedules.)

>>3730162
>that scene with Amara and Keane
geezus Christ that was adorable. and a wonderfully genuine moment. hardly what i expected that gift to be, a fantastic one too, and a great way to slip in a little bit of character development and detailzation for Keane too. certainly thought that was gonna be one of the relic ideas i crafted for the metaphorical dumpster honestly.

>>3730173
im up for it sure, on both accounts.

>>3730160
>“They’re a Hexane creation, I feel like a fool for not realizing it before.” Dorian says hurriedly as you reach the Crew. “It’s not so much as what’s written in them, but rather the experiences of the writer that are contained within them. They allow a perfect recollection, and it’s simply fascina
Right, so that's why Silvis doesn't want us reading Ozmas' journal. Because we wouldn't just read her words but experience her thought processes. You know, Silvis, I get that you're not the best at comparative anthropology (xenology?), but I think you understand enough about humanity to know that psychic mind-journals would be notable to us. You could have told us this part, saved us a lot of internal debate.

>>3730162
Aww, we're all friends. I hope to see you again sometime, Midnight Crew. Maybe at the last town before the Cord, we can meet up and share a drink again.

>>Speak to Karma.
>>Write-In
>What does she know about this sort of journal? How safe are they?

>>3730173
Sounds fine by me.

>>3730162
Well the Prideful Calphalor is more of a spear than a glaive unless we made her the Conquerors Glaive though that is a two handed weapon

Anyway

>Speak to Karma get our exact threat level and the threatlevel of the crew. How safe are the Journals to read for snyone. Can one get out from them if they so wish or does one have to finish them to the end.

then afterwards

>Head out to the Dos

We want to get this thing done and over with ending our little sidequest with the relics if possible and getting the possible upgrades from Francine
Afterweards we can continue westwards i would say

possible Party composition
>Shu, Gina, November, Amara

>>3730173
That wont work for me since that would be closer to one o'clock in the mornign for me but if everyone else wants to go ahead

>>3730162
honestly, i know im probably gonna get outvoted due to the journals, but my own personal interest in them is literally nonexistent, so my votes for;
>>Depart for the Disassociated Ones

Team;
>Shu, November, Gina, and Rath.

the DOs didn't seem to like having Amara round honestly, and Dorian and Julia never showed as big an interest in them.

ill get on the Relics in a moment.

>>3730173
Tonight's fine. Tomorrow I've got work as per usual of my job.

So what did we really craft for the Crew, and what's the price tag? I see the Kuolema Rifle, I see the Conquerer's glaive, I see Pokopina Khrisa, I see the Lantern of Dreams, I see the IV Staff and I see the Hive phone.

>>3730162
>>3730191
Relic loadout;

Shu
>Contender, Hydra Heart, Matrons, Whistle( RHO CUNT)

Gina;
> Shawl, Sui Interitus

Rath;
>Cutis Tractus, Gutgrab Daggers, Cursas Alas, Gauntlets

November;
>Uzi, Sui Tormentis


>>3730198
we made what we asked to make.

>>3730212
hrm, actually i guess we could give one of the suits to Shu, cuts down on her having to use up Armor slots for armor.

also for reference i gave Tormentis is at a level is can focus on speed, which could be very useful on November, while the Sui Interitus starts out with only speed/Reaction time, so felt that would help Gina more.

would love to have Rath keep the Tormentis, but felt with trying to juggle everything, the extra defense and grapple method would still fit her well. the strength is kickass on her but shes got other methods for that. still probably is best suited for her though, i was just trying to both not waste our new armor sets while putting them all to good use, and this is the best i could think up of.

>>3730212
I think that Sui Tormentis makes more sense for Rath. It's been her standby. Cutis Tractus has some use, I suppose, given that it could conduct her Ignition touch effects, but I don't think it really fits her. Besides, I'm not even sure if November can use Sui Tormentis. Something that hooks into your skin to establish an interface probably isn't useful for someone with a metallic exoskeleton.

>>3730198
( This >>3730212 is correct. Ignore my previous post, I am afraid I bamboozled myself in having too many notes and I referred to the old one.)

>>3730223
im still sticking with my vote of
>>3729935
as it still prevents too heavy a load on any one person.

also wait, did we not make the new armor then? pretty sure everyone still agreed they wanted them, only that thematically it would make sense to wait til the Midnight Crew leave is all.

>>3730233
oh, well then never-mind haha.

>>3730225
fair point on November, but see
>>3730224
it was the best way to split them up without outright wasting one of them. Tormentis can go to Shu then if November cant use it.

>>3730233
SO we craftted the Prideful? Just asking since the description of Jackie twirling a glaive does sound a bit off.... The Glaive is way to ..... unwieldy even if she is strong enough to wield it one handed. It would be just to long and unbalanced.

>>3730191
No you wont get outvoted, i will try my best to bring the story of the west relics to an end as soon as possible and get many many sweet things(Maybe some murdertentacles for Gina if we can get our hands on plans for them)


>>3730162

So i will change my vote form >>3730189
to support >>3730191
and>>3730212
with the Tormetnits going to Shu if November can interface with it

>>3730254
(Oh, it would be far too unwieldy if Jackie hadn't hybridized her Calcite Armorer and Fibromancer trees into a defensive strength-boosting subdermal matrix. You granting them the use of the Engine has done wonders for them, I assure you.)

>>3730239
>it was the best way to split them up without outright wasting one of them. Tormentis can go to Shu then if November cant use it.
I'd actually give the Tractus to Shu. Tractus is bad for Rath because it weighs down the user, as our primary melee fighter Rath needs to be able to get into combat fast. Shu, on the other hand, tends to fight at mid-range so the speed decrease isn't a huge problem and having some crowd control via grappling would benefit her well.

>>3730265
so what other optimizations did the Midnight Crew go through? What did Keane, Ace, and Quinn optimize, hybridize, and made stronger?

>>3730212
>>3730267
I know it's counterintuitive but I think it's best if we leave some relics back at home for Dorian, Julia, and Amara to use before we leave. It's best to give them some form of self-defense in relics. I know it's Mara's penthouse, which is very well hidden, but I do not want to take any chances.

>>3730265
So she got the glaive and not the prideful...... hmm i can see her making good use of it sure.

I still can not picture her well how she wields a weapon much probably a bit bigger than herself. How big is Jackie anyway? Larger or smaller than 2 meters? The Glaive is roughly 2.5 Meters long. OWuld be an interesting spin she probably scraper the edges along hte floor or she needs lots of space....

>>3730265
you're gonna have to show us their actual ability trees someday BHOP, they sound like a superbly enjoyable read all on their own, especially if you kept older versions to compare to eachother.

>>3730267
Shu already has numerous grappling methods though, and Rath has the Cursas Alas to offset the speed debuff a bit from the Tractus. Shu really doesn't gain as much from the Tractus as Rath could. literally didn't even take into account the touch abilities as no one has those in this party setup.

mobility also isnt an issue for Rath past getting in close to her opponent, and the Tractus and Daggers will then help her make sure mobility isnt an issue further. really, i get your argument for Tormentis over Tractus on Rath, but the Tractus really is the worst option out of them for Shu.

>>3730274
i disagree. i mean, we already are leaving some behind anyways, but the people venturing out are in the greatest danger and need what advantages they can get.

>>3730282
I suppose you have a point about Shu not needing the Tractus. I still think that the Tormentis is much more Rath's style, though. Maybe give the Tractus to Gina? Ideally she won't be moving much at all, but being able to grapple opponents that get in close with her would be a pretty good combo with Neon Ascendant. Stun them, wrap them, spray acid with Bella's power. Then we could Shu the Interitus, have her take advantage of that speed boost.

>>3730301
We could try and make her a mobile Saboteur. level up Gladatorial Swarm so that she can basically "Swim in the ground, then pop out like some landshark and hit the backlines with Neuromancy and Terraforming Shenanigans. Also, I really want to make full use of her newly expanded powers and playstyle. Make her a mobile skirmisher with her new abilities.

>>3730301
Wait. I have an idea. We have Gina make her Gladatorial Swarm, and instead of using Nervous Torrent and spraying it out of Gina's mouth or other unfortunate orafices, we have her generate the acid from the Gladatorial Swarm Leeches?

>>3730301
eh, thats the thing though. really only Rath will ever make proper use of the Tractus grappling capabilities. i already agreed the Tormentis is better on her, but the issue is the Tractus isnt really superb in my opinion on anyone else but her, except under very specific circumstances. i mean, really it comes down to certain factors, such as what do we expect to fight?

usually we face a singular opponent, in which case the Tractus only should be on Rath. if we face multiple opponents, then maybe Shu or Gina, as one or both might be forced into melee. its a gamble i guess, as it ends up extremely underutilized in my opinion if we face they type of fights we generally face.

>>3730310
I still see Gina as more of a combat mage who uses terraforming magic to control the battlefield and stuns enemys with just a glance. Piling on Status Effects onto enemys to weaken them and then finish them off with her other powers

The Cutis is also way better on Julia but right now for our party it is best on Rath. She can mitigate the slow down somewhat by catapulting herself with her Tensile Strings and her igniton with the grappling is brutal.

>>3730317
That sounds cool. Actually, hey, does Gladiatorial Swarm count as a touch-based ability? If so, the Tractus would work really well for Gina, let her turn her sleeves into a bunch of worm-tentacles.

>>3730319
Well, I suppose the problem is that it's an armor intended for a specific party member, Julia, and she's not going to come on this outing. So we're just left wondering "what do we do with this thing, then". I agree that Rath is probably the best user of it among the current party, but good enough that it outweighs giving her the Tormentis? I am less sure of that.

>>3730329
hard sell, though a good thing to note is we wont be pumping out insane numbers like we have been from the Tormentis regardless of who wears it.

also, we should have BHOP clarify what counts as a touch effect here. it might have to specifically be something intended as a touch effect, like Julias Stacks, not something that just happens to be done via touching. otherwise thats alot more powerful than intended for it to be.

>>3730167
see question above, please.

>>3730335
(What has been described is quite possible, yes.)

>>3730347
hi Bhop im not dead. but i missed a ton of threads. i need to find out where i last was and then work my way back here XD i took a break from 4chan for a bit

>>3730371
what was the last thing you remembered?

i remember the trans guy but im pretty sure we were quite a bit further than that. doggo maybe? wa it doggo thats a bit closer i think. i probbably make no sense here but, i mean i generally know stuff. i remember finding out more about the old shu like didnt actuallly kill the best friend right ya know what let me track my way back ill be back in like. give me a day. and ill be up to date (or maybe a week if im slow)

i think i actually vanished around 19 maybe 20

i am terrible at recalling last thing remember apparently because memories come flooding back the momment i open up archives

anyway ill quiet myself because im probbably disrupting the flow of this with my confusion see yall later

>>3730390
If the last thing is the Tindalos well you should read vein 15 again(there we fight them) and then get to vein 16. where we meet November for the first time.


If you remmber a massive mountain of a fight in which Mara participated as well as a massive voting session about how to level the team up.

That would be Vein 19 if you dont

if you do it would be the end of vein 20

>>3730371
(Welcome back Gen, I'm glad to see you again. I got a little worried when you dropped off, so thanks for letting us know you're back.)

>>3730347
Oh, dango, let's give Gina the Tractus, then. Tentacle sleeves sound awesome.

>>3730371
Welcome back, Gen. Yeah, a lot of stuff went down. It's been a crazy...four days, I think?...for Shu. Very hectic, lots of running around stopping huge threats from ending the world. Things have cooled down a bit now, though. We're discussing what to do with our relative "free time", probably going to go strike against West.

>>3730419
We are really gonna have to deal with Sam. Letting her just go insane due to loneliness, is just to cruel for Shu as a character....

>>3730428
sorry about the bamboozle. I realized that spoiling the highlights would do Gen a disservice.

I do agree on the issue with Sam. After we drop off the relics to Francine and learning the Instruction Manual on November's forgebody, we should figure out what to do with Sam.

>>3730420
>>3730419
>>3730418

alright so looking through

also wait who the heck is the midnight crew. XD i dont even remember that. hmmm yup lost so looking at the archives i remember the tank but dont remember midnight crew so ima just settle myself at thread 17 and work my way through.

also Bhop if ya ever actually worried about me id say go find me elsewhere but realize thats probbably difficult. considering i dont use the same name anywhere else. all ya need to know is im doing fine. just been working more on my art stuff

but uh yeah ive actually been busy running a few things elsewhere admining and working its actually nice to get back here though for a break. but yeah i found my spot now

>>3730426
>>>3730167
im still sticking to my vote as is. i still think the Tractus will be much better suited to Rath.

>>3730212
>>3730162
keeping my vote the same with the exception the Tormentis can go to Shu if November is unable to use it at all.

>>3730390
glad to see ya back.

>>3730435
which is why i kept my description vague but that is neither here nor there.

Should we maybe ask Francine for some kind off storage for Dreamdaughters. I would imagine that the Dos could have something like that, to maybe even transfer them over into mechanical bodys since the bionic bodies wont have much storage for any extra dream daughters.

That is maybe something we can ask November about. She probably had one or two dreamdaughters at some point in time. And the general stance towards dreamdaughters of the Dos

>>3730441
Nice seeing you. actually i dont think we have ever met before. you dropped off about the time i joined i think...

And i hope i could be off service

>>3730444
i also have no idea where that extra link in the first section of my post came from. 4chan sometimes you just do whatever you want huh?

>>3730441
whew, yeah if you dont remember the midnight crew you are a good ways back.

>>3730428
>>3730435
probably missed the best opportunity from when Gina was clearing out the relics.

>>3730441
I'm glad to hear you're doing well, Gen.

(Gentlemen, I'll be heading home shortly after finishing up the work day, and I'll post in less than an hour, if all goes well. Thank you for your patience, and I hope your day is going well.)

>>3730449
Well SHIT. Aggh. it hurts me to see that we won't be able to interact with Sam and get her back to a decent sanity level at this rate. We'll be stuck with a zombie monster inside of Shu's head.

>>3730503
>>3730449
We have to move towards the DOs by Knightling anyway. We could have Gina take care of it during the journey.

If Shu can stay awake during it anyway at least.

Otherwise the technology of the DOs might be our best chance to keep her in a tesseract or something similar until we can find a better solution or get her to a psychiatrist.

>>3730510
or we can invest actual time to talk to Sam and get to know her. If it soothes her, we could alter our appearance by getting a haircut or wearing that cosmetic skin patch on our face.

>>3730503
>>3730510
well, i was just saying it was probably the best time to delete her, when we were deleting the wests, not that we wont have any other moment. really think just focusing more or less on the task at hand will do us better. as an example of why, we kinda overlooked it in the first place due to throwing everything into one order, instead of taking our time with everything we had on our list. i kinda didn't even realize that vote had won, as i was just focusing the one thing at a time, aka, the forge things, otherwise i would've brought it up.

>>3730519
nah, Sam doesn't deserve that. best to get rid of her, one way or another.

>>3730519
That's not really Sam's issue. I don't think Sam has ever really been upset that Shu shares a face with her. The problem is that Shu has agency and control and is deciding her own fate, while Sam is locked in a box. Not that taking her out of the box would really help any. She'd still see Shu being important and mattering and having authority and try to undermine that in an attempt to seize it. It wouldn't work, Sam doesn't have the right personality to have accomplished the same things Shu has, but she's literally insanely jealous of Shu so I don't think she'd take that into consideration.

>>3730519
She is pretty much insane at this point. We wont be able to help her anymore. And i doubt no matter what we do she hates us. And not just us but everything we stand for and everything and everyone we care about. Herr hatred is all she has left. its the only thing that drvies her now

I would be willing to try and helpo her but not while the crucible is in full swin. That is absolutely not worth it.

>>3730526
I dont care if Sam deserves it or not we have to do somethig. If that means deleting her because we have no other possibility and she would just turn insane otherwise and become a zombie. If we can store her on ice or something we can hope to have the best psychiatirsts on the planet take a look at her. But i agree even trying would be a massive waste of everyones time and recources.

Though i dont think she would be revived for a long time due to everything being unstable and dangerous. And having a madwoman running around wont help anyone.

>>3730536
well, yes, thats what i said, or thought i did. i agree we should do something about her, i was just saying it sounded like an odd thing to try and do while flying on bees and having other things to focus on. even if people dont like it and dont want to let her sit forever, she is not currently a priority nor really a threat, except possibly under super specific circumstances, maybe.

all i was really saying is, trying to focus on too many things at once can get disorienting, and our current objective happens to already involve many parts and involve some major objectives.

>>3730544
Okay i misinterpreted what you said. it may be foolish of me to think there wont be another complication along the way and having Gia<n on Lookout would probably be more benfical than having her delete/freeze Sams Mindstate

I should probably not constantly switch between the Thread and my own writings

oof this is gonna take awhile going through the threads i forgot how long these threads are but im making my way through guys i should probbably step out to avoid all the spoilers

>>3730588
Maybe. Just wait till you get to the fanfictions of the intermission thread

>>3730596
is the intermission nessesary to read ?

>>3730603
No. We had fun, though.

>>3730586
yeah that too, Ginas our go too right now for looking out for danger.
honestly i wish i could do that, but having some writers block a bit myself.

>>3730588
well, thats only if you care about spoilers, but yes, if you do, without a doubt there will be info we have to discuss here that would spoil some things.

>>3730603
it is not. it was just there to keep the community going and BHOP in communication with us during his break. however, if you do enjoy reading the actual community discussions on the quest, there is a decent amount in there.
and yes, fanworks aswell.

(Back home and writing now.)

>>3730603

(Not really, but some of the Anons here have posted some interesting side-stories and the like, and they're absolutely worth reading when you have the time.)

>>3730603
not necessary to read at all

but there were some discussions about the way forwaard. There also was some writing from at least three anons

>>3730603
if you're into theorycrafting and reliccrafting and general small bits of Q&A with fanfics, yes.

alright thanks guys for the advice yall have been really helpfull in getting me back into the swing of things

>>3730536
>>3730544
I know it's a suicidal and stupid idea, but what if we uploaded her mind into one of our Bee constructs? Granted, the first thing Sam will ever do given agency is to attack Shu on sight, I want to see how much pent up frustration Sam has to vent before she becomes mentally too tired to beat upon Sam's chest.

>>3730621
i am outright unsure it would work properly unless it was a forge made construct. id also imagine it would require one of those elusive dream daughter based Phantasmal abilities that West wrote as if they were the more common one yet instead we have not seen one. well, i guess more so, either way would work, but we would need said type of ability, and without the construct being free of our control it might literally not be able to attack us without permission or anything like that.

granted im kinda against the idea, but the discussion to convince me or not cant be had without the actual tools to even attempt it.

>>3730621
WE could pout her in a bsic swarmling... maybe. She would be incapable of hamring us our regeneration would outpace her. we could literally go to sleep an the most she could do would be annoy us. she could als be squasehed by an accidental swipe of one od our hands. Probably can even create it though

If we transfer her its into stasis/ getting rid of her for good entirely much more though

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>>3730162

“Alright then. Gina, Rath, and November? Let’s go to the Disassociated. Dorian and Julia, I’d like for you two to hold down the fort here with Amara, and feel free to use the Core Console to make yourselves comfortable.”

“Gotcha, boss.” Rath replies, about to retrieve her gear before she pauses, glancing around. “Also, I dunno if I’m alone in wondering this, but…where the hell is Claire? Amara, you got a lead on slime-girl?”

The younger girl sniff the air experimentally, her cat-like ears twitching for a moment before she just gives a small shrug. Rath heaves a small, irritated huff before she disappears into the Forgeroom alongside her aunt, and you and Gina quickly get ready in the other room. You say your temporary goodbyes to your artists and their ward, and before long you’re picking your way across the jagged, rough-hewn beach, the lapping of acid waves doing little to soften the sharp edges of the stones underfoot. You pass the time in relative silence, save for Rath’s contented whistling of a half-remembered tune.

“You seem in high spirits.” You finally say, just as the four of you approach the steep wall that you first attempted to scale in your search for the cloister of reclusive Daughters. “Are you riding the high of a good sleep, or just looking forward to visiting the labs again?”

“Ah, she’s excited for the chance to see big ‘ol Beira again.” Gina chimes in with a sly wink that sends Rath into a sputtering of denial, her scarlet cheeks doing little to bolster her objections.

“I'm sorry, what’s this about Beira?” November chimes in, breaking her focused silence with a blurt of static from her rusty speakers. Rath’s scrambling to defend herself when the wall before you slides open, revealing a towering older woman with a full head of platinum hair that falls over a suit of rugged armor.

“Ha, friends!” Beira shouts, leaning on the doorframe with a wide, self-assured smile. She scans your group with her cool gaze before it settles on November, her smile faltering for a fraction of a second before she composes herself.

“Hello Beira.” November intones, granting the other woman a curt nod before the silver-haired warrior does the same.

“November.” Comes the other woman’s reply, her smile tilted towards you, now. “Doctor West told me you all'd be coming by. C’mon in, I’ll walk you there.”

(Continued)

>>3730645

"You caught the DO's at a weird time." Beira announces unprompted after a few minutes of walking, perhaps to override the chord of tension in the air between her and November. "Launch is in seven days, so everyone's keeping busy."

"Holy...that soon?" Rath asks, and Beira just gives her a broad smile as she leads you into the depths of the compound's labyrinthine corridors.

"Yep. We're about to head out, and everyone that's going is topside, making their final adjustments." Beira explains. "I'm down here for weapons testing, and the Doctor, well...I don't think she's planning on joining us."

After almost a half-hour of walking along identical slate-grey halls, she gestures to a door in her right, indistinguishable from any of the other four-dozen you passed on the way here.

"Doc's right through there." Beira announces, turning from you to Rath with a smile. "Hey, you came at the perfect time, actually. I was running my arsenal through its last few calibrations before packing them up. You wanna come shooting?"

It takes all of Rath's constitution not to dart off then and there, but she holds herself together well enough to play it relatively cool as she turns to you and November with a aloof shrug. While you can tell she's practically chomping at the bit to go, you sense a level of hesitation from November. There's an oddly tumultuous set of feelings whirling deep within her rusted armor, but it's hard to tell what they are given the waves of excitement pulsing off the red-head before you.

>>Keep your team together and politely decline. You'd feel more comfortable if everyone met with Francine together.

>>Urge November to accompany them to go shooting. That'll leave you and Gina with Francine, and it'll make for an easier time of the interrogation you have planned.

>>Let Rath and Beira have their fun. November should stay by your side since you'd like to have her armor upgraded, and it'll save you the trouble of tracking her down again.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL

(Voting shall remain open for the next one and a half hours, Gentlemen. After that, rapid-posting will be in effect.)

>>3730648
>Let Rath have her fun, but hand her a small Buzzling incase you need to call her back quickly.
>Hint towards November with heavy implicated words that if she has some reason to worry about Rath being alone with Beira, she shouldn't hesitate to go too. otherwise remind her Francine needs to show us how to upgrade her armor before we leave, but that it can wait if she has... other things, to attend to.

>>3730648
>Let Rath and Beira have their fun. November should stay by your side since you'd like to have her armor upgraded, and it'll save you the trouble of tracking her down again.

Since Francine was also the one that dissuaded November from fully digitizing herself at the cost of her pre-crucible memories or something like that, she's probably good to have around when talking to Francine and convincing her to trust us.

>>3730648
>Keep your team together and politely decline. You'd feel more comfortable if everyone met with Francine together.
>"Rath, why admire Beira's guns that will be put away after firing once and sent to space when your Aunt is a Living Walking Arsenal in an Iron Man suit? Imagine the possibilities you and November can have when we get the instruction manual."

>>3730671
well, besides possibly insulting Beira with that, you seem to be missing minor implications its not just the gun Rath is excited for, just a major component of it. plus, i mean, woman's like ten feet tall with a cannon probably as BIG as November is. theres just no comparison to be made there. being a /k/ faggot myself i certainly would want to go watch futuristic space cannons blow shit up too.

>>3730648
I'll change my vote >>3730671 to support >>3730661

>>3730648
>>Let Rath and Beira have their fun. November should stay by your side since you'd like to have her armor upgraded, and it'll save you the trouble of tracking her down again.
I trust Rath to be safe on her own. We've already left her alone in the Disassociated's base one before, the last time we were here. Worst case scenario, she has to punch a handsy cyborg. But I don't think it will come to that. Whatever the tension between November and Beira (maybe Beira was responsible for November being exiled from the Disassociated?), I doubt Rath will be unsafe. More likely November is just worried that Beira will say something to Rath that she'd be uncomfortable having her niece hear.

>>3730696
i doubt Rath will be unsafe sure, but at least giving November the option cant hurt, seeing as how shes so worried. she can always come and get her armor checked out after we finish our other business... or it wont be something that was going to happen regardless.

>>3730707
We can try to hint at it with the empathic field. Or wait, can't we use Gina to set up a telepathic connection? She connects discreetly via Neon Ascendant, then splices the call with Crimson Cord? Or do you think her eyes lighting up will be too noticeable?

>>3730717
i mean, we can just use wordplay, but no, i dont think her eyes would be too noticeable, the real issue is November has high Neuromantic resistances, which very easily also could be separate from any work arounds Gina has due to the nature of being an artificial daughter.

>>3730650
oh, BHOP, did November switch her core out for the Tier 3?

>>3730742
(Yes, she did.)

just an update where i am finished 18th vein and holy heck we got alot of stuff at that vein

also just casually avoiding looking at what happend in this thread just now

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>>3730761
oh... oh man... if you think that at that point... well, you're getting to the part of the quest id call 'the big three' more or less. wont say anymore than that, but im sure everyone here knows exactly what im getting at.

>>3730770

i am intrigued

>>3730761
>>3730776
And beyond vein 18 lies the roller coaster of emotions. You may have not been there, but you will see what we have been through through our post discussions.

>>3730776
If you're okay with some minor spoilers, look at just the very top of the character sheet page, where it lists our Health and Bio levels. Compare what they were then to what they are now, about a week of in-game time later. What the hell happened to us? I mean, I know, I was there. But still...

>>3730780
Ugh. Don't remind me. I'm kind of embarrassed about the mood swings, in hindsight. We were all over the place.

>>3730789
speaking of that, ive got older versions of our sheets saved, one per Act of the story, saved at the end of each one. my goodness things have changed.

>>3730789
um ill do that right now actually

i dont mind. i wont look at our abilities but might as well look

alright then. well thats crazy. ima just walk away and wait we went to using a google doc? when did that happen

>>3730798
(Indeed. A kind Anon on here has been incredibly generous in creating and curating it for me, as you've acquired a host of new powers and allies.)

>>3730798
awhile ago. i think i made it right after Isabelle first left us? ah, it appears it was first used in the opening on Vein 15, though i just realized i totally forgot to check when in the story that was... whoops.

>>3730805
kinda do wish now id made a new one for you to use with each new Act, that way those looking back to read had the old versions more in line with the content they were reading to peruse, rather than just the newest stats and abilities. like i said, still got one for each closing of an story act(so two), but doesn't do much good now that its too late to properly post them into the threads. hindsight and all that i guess.

>>3730789
>>3730795
I hadn't even realized the massive power spike that we gained. holy crap. 10 veins ago we were still basic bitches floating under 200% hp and even less bio, Amara was suffering with sub 100% hp and even less bio being so frugal with the level ups. and look at us now. 2 massive powerspikes and some titanic ballbusting hairpulling high-risk plans later, and everyone is floating 1000% hp on average from the rewards that we reaped.
for comparision:
>Shu's stats at vein#18: 170hp/180bio
>Shu's stats now: 1210hp/1280 bio
>Amara's stats at vein 18# 120hp/80(?) bio
>Amara's stats now: 1090hp/700 bio


>>3730798
Pastebins don't work well when it comes to keeping information up to date.. Gdocs help us and bhop keep our sanity. there's LOTS of number crunching a text fluffening involved.

>>3730814
you made it :? hrmmm

honestly I feel that about the need to get a google doc set up. Im actually trying to get my own thing set up for something else im running but i have no idea where to get started on it. like. i am the absolute worst on setting up organization for google docs/spreadsheets

but thats bringing the convo off track i dont think yall wanna hear about my endevors off of here. unless you do

>>3730798
It's kind of hilarious in hindsight. I remember that BHOP gave us a sort of summary of the abilities of a few other characters, and that included their Health and Bio levels. And I was intimidated, because they had them all the way up in the five hundreds. They must be so much stronger than our party, I thought, what will we do if it comes to blows. A couple threads later, and we're getting to the point where Gina of all people has nearly triple that. Dorian is the squishiest party member, and he's still rocking 960% Health.

>>3730805
Yeah, it's really nice of them to have made this. Very easy to navigate, has everything all on one page, it's a great system.

>>3730815
Remember when B'Ni having 2100% Health after two years of power-leveling seemed insurmountably strong? We're going to have at least that much on every party member after a few more in-character weeks. Shu and the rest of the Defiant Fools are kind of terrifying for how fast they've grown in power, really. Combine that with our recent deeds and we'll have major street cred for when we run into those foreign super-Daughters.

>>3730821
id be more than happy to try and find the time to help you with your endevours, once you are caught up and feel more up to it.

>>3730823
its interesting to think about the terrifying fact we probably dish out more damage regularly than any of our character had at the end of the first Act.


also holy caonoly i was honestly just kinda guessing, but i actually did post the doc first in Vein 13, which literally was the one right after we lost Isabelle. i was honestly shotgunning that timeframe a bit and am surprised i was basically literally on the money.

>>3730823
And then Bhop gave us a peek at Mara's stats who go into five digit numbers. We've got a bigger mountain to climb it seems.

Also, I feel like it would benefit us if you exported the thing to Microsoft Excel as a way to "Screenshot" the google doc everytime we get a level-up on our character sheets as a backup system. that way we can track our character progression using less file-size and not having to depend upon cloudsharing when their servers go down.

>>3730835
got a discord then we can talk about it over there (or anywhere off the thread cause as i said. im more then willing to accept the offer right now. obviously im fine with chit chatting and reading right now i just dont exactly find it appropriate to talk off topic in a thread completly unrelated if ya know what i mean )

also the doc was in 13 vein? did i just not notice it for a few veins. i mustve just never looked at all our stats

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>>3730648

"Ha, be safe, you two." You reply, placing a hand on Rath's back that includes a diminutive Buzzling as you open the empathic line to the younger girl's mind. [Have fun, but if anything goes sideways don't be afraid to give me a ring, alright?]

Rath hesitates a moment before nodding, and you watch the two of them stride down the hall until they turn a corner and disappear from sight.

"November...Heather. I didn't want to make things awkward, but if you have a reason you weren't..."

"Never been fond of each other, is all." November calmly interrupts, wrapping her clawed fingers on the doorknob before her. She swings the door open, and you're met with the image of Francine curled up on a small couch, set in a small room that's no larger than ten by twelve feet. There's a small desk, a chair, but that's what little you can make out through the piles of well-worn books and crumbling magazines. The West look-alike startles at your arrival, taking off her glasses and dropping the book as she just stares at you, Gina, and November.

"You...you came." Francine stammers, caught quite off-guard. She stands, smoothing out the wrinkles in her black turtleneck and onyx suit-pants, her shining eyes darting to yours. "I...I'll be honest, I didn't expect you to."

"We purged the Relics of the West-ghosts, and we'd like to see what you do with them when you say you'll put the Daughters within them to rest." You explain, shifting a stack of magazines to the side to allow yourself entry into the packed room. "Also, we need to upgrade November's armor while we're here."

"Ah, absolutely." The Doctor replies, reaching out for the Relics. "I'll take you to where my associate can..."

"First thing's first." You say, cutting her off with a firm tone. "I need to make sure you're totally free of West's influence before we go any further. Here's the deal; you let Gina and I poke around, and if we find out that you're free of West Prime, then we're good to go. If we find you're still a proxy of West's, then..."

"Then I'd like to humbly request you kill me, here and now." Francine counters brusquely, catching you slightly off-guard, yourself. "Perfectly reasonable. I'm afraid I haven't increased in power since we last spoke, but you'd find my ability to your liking, I'm sure. I have a few passive you may find useful, and a Relic or two that would come with, as well."

She caps off her cold self-analysis by gesturing to the pair of glasses she's left on the couch, a modified version of the ones West Gamma wore when you first met that iteration of the mad Doctor.

"Then we're clear." You say, collecting yourself.

"Clear as day." Francine nods, kicking aside a stack of books that stand in your way before she takes the middle seat on the couch, gesturing to the spaces next to her. You and Gina sit while November looms in the doorway, watching the three of you awkwardly sit together before Gina leans, locking eyes with you and awaiting your signal.

(Continued)

>>3730856

"Ready when you are." The Doctor murmurs, closing her eyes and struggling to maintain her relaxed composure, despite the nervous energy that floods her slender frame.

Gina's veins flicker as she closes her eyes in turn, and you watch as the two sit in silence for a long, tense moment as brief, disconnected visions whip through your mind. Snatches of concepts, thoughts, and ideas, a whirlwind of ill-remembered encounters, and...

...Gina and Francine's eyes fly open at the same time, the latter's breath hitching in her throat before she gasps, struggling to fill her lungs with air. Your eyes meet Gina's.

She nods.

{She's clean.}

"...Alright." You say, your eyes catching Francine's worried gaze. "We're good. So, let's talk shop."

"So, I'm...I'm free?" She breathes, her desperate gaze searching yours. "I'm not compromised?"

"No. It's just you in there. Nothing more, nothing less." Gina assures, as much to you as to the angular girl seated between the two of you.

The wave of pure, unadulterated relief that explodes from the woman beside you almost throws you for a loop, and it's then that you realize...

She wasn't certain she was free.

Not until just now.

So, like you said; it's time to talk shop.

>>Free the Daughters within the Relics.

>>Upgrade November's armor.

>>Ask Francine the specifics of her plan.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL

(Voting shall remain open for the next hour, Gentlemen.)

>>3730859
>>Free the Daughters within the Relics.
helping those poor souls honestly takes priority for me to a large sum. Armor and planning can wait a moment or two.

>>3730844
>Also, I feel like it would benefit us if you exported the thing to Microsoft Excel as a way to "Screenshot" the google doc everytime we get a level-up on our character sheets as a backup system. that way we can track our character progression using less file-size and not having to depend upon cloudsharing when their servers go down.
is this directed at me then? ive got backups saved dont worry. also that would honestly be a bit much i think personally, to do it every single level up. unless im misunderstanding what you mean a bit.

>>3730848
i posted it in spoiler nearer the bottom.
discord Tag is #6392. i agree that i dont like to attention whore myself, intentional or not, but im happy to try and help aswell. i suppose ive put it out there so its there for other aswell, though why anyone else would want or need it is beyond me.

>>3730859
>Hand over West's Spinal Cannon. "As we stated back in the forest, one Spinal Cannon relic from Gamma West, and two relics made from Gamma West with Trapped Daughters within."

>"I do have something to ask about. I have a daughter inside of me named Sam. she's slowly losing it due to the Isolation, And I want some opinions on what do to with her...I want to help her calm down or at least give her a way out of the mental prison, yet at the same time I'm afraid of what she'll do the moment she has agency. Here's the thing, Sam was...who I was before the Crucible, and she had a horrible life. She and I...are separate entities, and Sam hates me for having all the agency while she languishes inside a mental prison. Is there any way that you can help? At best, I hope she could inhabit a construct body so she can interact with this world and regain a sense of who she was or Worst comes to worst, I'll have her exorcised."

>>3730859
>The wave of pure, unadulterated relief that explodes from the woman beside you almost throws you for a loop, and it's then that you realize...
>She wasn't certain she was free.
What makes you so different, Francine? Why do you have such revulsion for what the rest of the Wests are? You're supposed to be an early fork of West Prime, but given how she makes her proxies she was still pretty evil even then. You couldn't exist if you weren't a copy of a mind that's fine with treating other human beings as spare parts. Was it just that you were the first try, and she hadn't figured out how to completely wipe the original occupant of that brain yet, leaving you with a personality made of parts of the Daughter she mind-jacked instead of purely a copy of her own?

>>Free the Daughters within the Relics.
Let's get this out of the way before we start working on any plans. They've suffered long enough.

>>3730869
that dosnt include the name

honestly just add me here (anyone can i dont mind. just please tell me your from here please

(also how the heck i put spoiler tags ??? zona
#0102
anyway ima go back to reading now

>>3730879
>>3730866
i am outright against saying the second part of this Anons post.

>>3730881
Francine said living with the DOs put things into perspective, is the best we have gotten from her.

>>3730882
whoops, didnt know you needed the name. my bad. its Klimino
you do spoilers via putting {spoiler} and {/spoiler} on each side of what you wish to spoiler, touching the first and last letter of the text you wish spoilered, with the '{}' replaced with '[]' when actually using it.

>>3730889
>Francine said living with the DOs put things into perspective, is the best we have gotten from her.
Yeah, so she's said, but I feel like there needs to be some seed there first to develop. She can't have developed a disgust for the loss of individuality and personhood if she didn't have some of that of her own to begin with, and if she was just another West clone she wouldn't have that. Gamma was functionall an extension of West Prime, completely devoted towards the advancement of the original. As far as we know, none of the other Wests see anything wrong with their eventual fate of being eaten by West Prime so that she can become even more powerful. Something went wrong with Francine's creation so that she's not completely subordinate to Prime's desires.

>>3730902
wasn't Francine an earlier model as it was? maybe the process wasn't perfect. also, disturbingly, its actually implied all the Wests are technically fully individuals, which says alot about West that all of them are still so devoted despite that...which yeah ok backs up your questions nicely, fair enough.

maybe the DOs are a bit too similar to West in some ways, and seeing that compared to herself helped? hard to disagree with a version of yourself, but its different when you see what that causes in a group of similar strangers.

>>3730907
>>3730902
It's also something to note that West as a person pre-crucible was a Surgeon and a Doctor. of what Medical field she operated in I'm not sure, but she still applies the Hippocratic oath (a very powerful oath) in her practice. So having to do surgeries where your patients come out less than human and more machine-like instead of more-than-human-like would rub Francine the wrong way as a doctor, whereas all the other proxies and West Prime herself became focused on Surgeries that dissected and explored the biology of the Crucible.

>>3730879
I'm in favor of getting Francine's help with getting Sam out of our head, but I'm not sure that we should lead with it. Maybe after we see what Francine is going to do with the Daughters retrieved from the Relics. I think it's likely that she does have some sort of storage method like a lot of us might prefer. I doubt there's a Sparagmos Engine here, and other than destroying the cleansed Relics and mercy-killing those Daughters (which wouldn't require removing Prime's watchdogs, first), storing them away is the only thing she can really do with those mindstates. So let's see what she does with them, and then if it is storing them away for future technology to revive we can ask for her to do it to Sam.

>>3730879
>>3730859
Amending my vote to
>Free the Daughters within the Relics.

>Then after the Daughters are freed

>Some how segue into the issue with Sam inside our head after seeing Francine's associate in action. We want Sam out of our head, and are looking for humane options.

>>3730919
good suggestion.

>>3730919
>>3730924
im still against the wording of that post heavily, aswell as not everyone agreed to that method.

but most importantly, i feel we shouldn't assume its just going to be exactly what we think and thus simply be something we can just bring up. id hold off on even putting it down until we actually know more about whats going on here. also id imagine doing things with relics is quite different than dream daughters in an active head.

>>3730917
I think Prime probably gave up on "First, do no harm" at least by the time she started wiping people's brains so she could install copies of her own mind into their wetware. If not sooner, who knows when she started in on the vivisection? Maybe it's the other way around, and having patients whose well-being and quality of life she was supposed to care for that made Francine regrow a conscious. It clearly didn't always work, but the Disassociated's surgeries were meant to have positive effects on their mental state. She had to care if her patients came out alright, instead of just going "disappointing, I still had data to gather on that".

>>3730927
>>3730924
>>3730859
Re amending the vote then.
>Free the Daughters within the Relics.

We'll see what options and what methods Francine's Associate does when it comes to freeing the Daughters trapped in the Relics.

>>3730928
wasn't it implied she was always like this? she was probably more of a research doctor, than a 'i save lives' type. or maybe shes one of those types that got into the surgeon business specifically so they could cut people open and poke at their innards legally, just for more curiosities sake then sociopathic pleasure reasons.

>>3730951
Now that you say that, it does make sense. I'm wildly speculating that West might've been a pathologist who does biopsy surgeries, which scratches her "curiosity" itch. Biopsy surgeries are basically surgeries that lets doctors cut people open to examine the innards legally, cut out tissue samples, and then close the patient up and not do much about saving the lives of the patient, as long as she had the tissue sample and the data, her job was complete.

>>3730951
Quite possible. My point was simply that if the Hippocratic Oath ever mattered to West, she clearly stopped caring at some point before she started mind-jacking people. There are multiple lines in both the Hippocratic Oath and the Oath of Maimonides saying "I'll remember that my patients are people, not interesting collections of medical data."

>>3730974
Presumably she was something multidisciplinary, too. West has shown a wide range of skills in the biological sciences, though she seems to favor neuroscience. Then again, since it seems that every cell of Crucible biomass is able to function as a neuron, that might just be her applying neuroscience very broadly.

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>>3730859

"Okay. Alright, I, um...please. Follow me." Francine stumbles, rising from the couch and awkwardly bowing to November. She slides past the suit of scarlet armor as you and Gina follow close behind, the woman's rigid frame darting down the corridor to parts unknown.

"We have a Phantasmal Conduit here, a very skilled one. She was one of the first to come seeking the help of the Disassociated, but she retreated to the lowest depths of the compound when she started having odd dreams, or so my peers have whispered." Francine explains over he shoulder, her brisk pace coming to a sudden halt before a set of double-doors, and it takes you until they slide open to realize you're standing before an elevator. You crowd in, the confined space making a worrisome creak at November's entry. Francine pokes the lowest button on the control panel with a slim finger, and your stomach churns as you begin your descent in awkward silence.

{So, uh...when I was poking around in the good Doctor, I ran across her ability} Gina transmits, her voice echoing in your mind across your private channel. {Are you seeing what I'm seeing?}

Information begins to filter into your mind unbidden, a unique set of skills taking shape...though it's her augmentation that catches your attention.

>>CREATION'S STRINGS (Fibromancer/Neuromancer Hybrid, Lvl 1): A power thrust upon an unwilling vessel, this hybrid ability allows West Beta to physically unravel the very biomass Daughters are composed of, rapidly siphoning off their reserves of HEALTH to refill the user's own at a rate determined by the wielder's proximity to their target.(HEALTH +120%, BIO +140%)

>>CREATION'S STRINGS (Lvl 2): By tethering itself to a target West Beta now gains an innate understanding of its foe, granting an understanding of the target's current HEALTH, BIO, and REGEN totals. (BIO +20%)

>>CREATION'S STRINGS (Lvl 3): West Beta may now, when she begins to unravel a target, gain access to the abilities of their Core skill tree. Beta is free to use their abilities using her own HEALTH, BIO, or ACTs as required by their activation costs, though she may only copy active abilities and passive skills up to her Core's current level. (HEALTH +30%)

>>DEFIANT PUPPET (Creation's Strings Augmentation, Lvl ERROR): West Bet@ nOW pSSe$es...We$1 BbbbB...eRrRor...Francine now possesses the ability to reverse her Core power's draining effects, instead allowing her to draw from her own reserves to restore those that she is tethered to. This reversal extends to any and all draining effects her tree may gain, and this healing may not be interrupted as long as Francine is conscious. (HEALTH +80%, HEALTH REGEN +20%)

The double-doors slide open once more, and you're met with darkness. You blink, your eyes adjusting to the gloom as Francine strides into the void, heels clicking on the concrete floor.

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>>3730995

You catch sight of a star in the seemingly endless black, and when you take Gina's hand in yours and step forwards, a half-dozen other pinpricks of light begin to shimmer in the emptiness. November hesitantly exits the elevator, and it's at that moment that the doors slide shut, plunging you into the dark. More points of light begin to bloom, but it's when two luminous eyes open in the space before you that your hive buzzes to life.

"Hello, Cassandra." Francine says, politely greeting the face of wires and piping that takes up the entirety of the wall before you. "Please pardon the interru..."

"No need to apologize, dearest Francine." The replies serenely, the crystals that are set into the walls shining brighter now, twinkling in time with her dulcet tones. "You've granted me audience with the Defiant Huntress. Ah, and there is the one that loves her so dearly, the Heartbound. Oh, the things your Huntress has set into motion...dearest Francine, you've given me a gift I did not think I'd live to see."

"You know about us...both of us." Gina breathes, the face in the wall just chuckling softly. "You're a Skintalker, aren't you?"

"And a Conduit...and a Neuromancer." She replies, fixing the brunette with her soft, slate-grey eyes. "I became a great many things when I wandered the wastes, and when I was filled to bursting with knowledge and regret I came here to empty myself...and I found that one's past is not so easily forgotten, one's yoke not so hastily shirked."

"They've brought Relics." Francine interjects, nodding to you. At her signal, you deposit the Spine, Nail, and Cannon on the floor before Cassandra's imposing visage, and her deep eyes stare down at the collection of gnarled items before they shine with a curious, pale green light.

"They may be used as you wish, Defiant Hunter." She intones, the soft glow fading just as quickly as it came. "The souls within them have been freed of that which burdened them, and stored safely within the diadem matrix. Francine, would you be a dear and take out the three to your left?"

The Proxy complies, walking over and sliding a trio of newly-shining crystals from the wall next to her.

>>Relics Acquired; SACRIFICIAL REMNANTS x3

"They are yours to keep, Defiant Huntress. I pray you find a way to restore them to their former glory, some day." She intones, before her grey eyes lock with yours, awaiting your response.

"Thank you, Cassandra." You say, giving the curious Daughter a respectful bow. "I do have some questions for you, if you have the time."

"Please, I welcome the conversation." She smiles, the wires that make up her lips going taught with the expression. "It's the last time we shall have the chance to speak Huntress, and I do so wish to be of service to someone as momentous as yourself. I have learned much, witnessed more, and such knowledge would be useless if kept to oneself. So please, I implore you...ask this old soul anything you like."

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL

(Gentlemen, I shall be pausing here for the evening to allow you all some time to compose questions for both Cassandra and myself, if you're so inclined. Thank you so very much for your time, participation, and enthusiasm, as always. Voting shall remain open for the next twelve hours, with writing to resume in thirteen, give or take. I hope you all have a restful evening and pleasant dreams, one and all.)

>>3730985
>>3730951
Quite Ironic that for a Doctor who turns People into interesting collections of data in a machine, she redeveloped the Oaths of Medicine. It might also be the way the Disassociated treated Francine...

>>3730995
>Beta
Well then.
Assuming West Prime is Designated "Alpha", then Francine (Beta) was literally Prime's first clone...She must've also bore witness to the creation of the other West Proxies Gamma (Dead by Isabelle), Delta (Dead by Lab Accident), Epsilon (Unknown), so on and so forth...
Francine's practically a Pinocchio doll, and she's finally free of the strings that held her down.

>>3730995
so... Francine rewrote her own ability in some form or another? thats... really interesting, and useful.

>>3731007
well this is interesting. honestly ive got no real idea what to ask here. it would help i suppose if we knew more about her, or whatnot. i apologize Cassandra... but honestly, theres nothing that really pops out i think we need to know or i just want to know. at beast all i can think is to ask more about her herself, or maybe whatever is going on with Francine's Augment, but i feel like we should just ask Francine about that, ya know?

as for the remnants, you willing to give us any more info on those BHOP? would it be amiss of us to consume them, so the dream daughters are not alone and can converse and interact with the others in our heads, or would that defeat the purpose or even be torturing them in a way, via pulling them from a peaceful sleep or something? or would we somehow gain more from keeping them as crystals, with the caveat you know BHOP we are willing to sacrifice personal advantages to do the right thing.

>>3731011
fun as always. you gonna be a round for OOC questions or best to save them?

>>3730985
for the neurons thing, we really dont know. i get what you mean, but the fact theres distinguished classes that theres a raw biomass type of in the first place implies significant differences to some level, though self imposed differences, its still worth noting at least the cells can CHOOSE not to act like neurons... which im not sure what im even actually going for here anymore, just felt like it was a an interesting thing to point out.
sorry for the late reply, BHOP ninja'd me and i hate to interrupt post flow.

>>3730995
Okay, I know this is a bit hypocritical given what I just said about the Hippocratic Oath and seeing people as people rather than interesting bits, but if we wind up eating Francine after she sacrifices herself to destroy the West collective, this would be a great skill for Shu. Use it together with Dominus Bloodlines and we'd be super effective. Downside: It would be yet another skill to level.

That Defiant Puppet augment, too. She managed to rewrite her Core into doing the exact opposite of what it's intended to, while also managing to force the Crucible's systems to call her by a proper name instead of treating her as a fork. Impressive. I think that probably applies in-character as well as in the interface, that the Crucible has identity data for each Daughter (it would have to, given that a Daughter's body is not actually a permanent thing) and she altered it away from what West Prime altered the original murdered Daughter that Francine was made from. Good on you, Francince.

>>3731007
Oh, it's Good SHODAN. Hi, Good SHODAN. Give me a bit to think of what I want to say to you, there's a lot you could tell us.

>>3731012
I believe we were told that OOC, that Francine was West's earliest fork. I'm glad she managed to break free. It's kind of weird, seeing a West not being all smug and distant. I think our willingness to work with Francine and extend trust towards her is messing with her head. It's almost adorable.

>>3731025
(I'll be around for a little while,so if you have questions, please feel free to ask.)

(In the Daughters' current form as crystals, they are in a similarly dreamless sleep that Isabelle is currently experiencing within the Emerald. Consuming them will allow them to be interacted with as Dream Daughters, but with no additional effects since their Core abilities we re-formed into the Relics they were trapped in. However, installing them into Relics may grant them a substantial boost, leading to empathic weapons similar to Karma and the Contender though nowhere near as strong, of course.)

>>3731007
>"I...I have a ghost in my head. Her name is Sam. She was who I was before the Crucible. She had a horrible life. She sought agency at all costs even after death. But after a horrible first impression, I left her alone in the dream scape out of fear and over the course of 2 weeks, she's losing her sanity, she's got little left except her hatred. I want to help her ease her suffering and lay her issues to rest, but at the same time I don't know what options I could take. I know it's a very selfish request, but can you help me out? Is there way to give Sam the Agency she craves without hurting me or my family? Or is it too late? I want to move on from my past but she IS my past. Sam's who I was before the Crucible. A broken girl who sought freedom, control, and agency from the horrible life she had."

I know that one anon is really against me bringing up the Issue with Sam, but we have a Very High level Skintalker, Phantasmal Conduit, and Neuromancer right here who's willing to help. Now would be a great time to deal with Sam while asking some questions and asking for humane options.

>"Who were you like before the Crucible? What was your life's story before you became what you are now?"

>"What world events did we set in motion? I figured that Stopping Mother's resurrection and gimping her power was a big thing, and that pulling it off would paint a target on us, but what sort of chain of events did we start in the rest of the world? not just America?"

>>3731041
(As an addendum, I'll add them to the top of the Relics sheet along with the explanation of how they work, in case you wish to use/consume them.)

>>3731035
I mean more that every cell seems to have the ability to process information directly, instead of the indirect interactions of chemical signals. If Crucible biomass had to use the hormone-based systems that regular flesh does, it would take months to grow anything instead of seconds. So I think that there's a multi-layered system. At base, all Crucible cell is capable of exchanging information with its neighbors and using that to coordinate about where to go when transforming into new configurations. Then some cells differentiate and specialize into dedicated information-processors for the sake of Neuromantic and Phantasmal skills.

>>3731041
That's something I've been wondering about, actually: Was Karma originally a Hexane, or did Charon make a biotech AI from scratch?

>>3731041
>>3731048
hrm...then may we possibly talk to them, or are they locked out like Isabelle is? honestly as tempting as the relic option is, i want to do what THEY want to do, whether it be continue to sleep, become a dream daughter, or empower our relics. we happen to have three really good sets of armor, though id of course still leave it up to them what relic type at least they wish to be in.

otherwise;
>how does the whole Gemma clone thing work? Does each one stay separate if consumed, or combine with our current one mentally? Does using the special consume option affect this?
>...could we like, still get a new core from each clone, as they are technically each a separate daughter? How would that affect the first question?

>>3731040
as much as i have my misgivings abut Francine due to paranoia, i dont think we should aim for that or hope for it.

>>3731047
no, im against HOW you word it and bring it up. i refuse to brush off that Sam was an outright horrible person by choice, by her own merit, and that her past does not give her a free pass to consequences, both in how she is viewed or interacted with. until you agree to admit to that, i will actively vote AGAINST that write in, even if i have to surrender otherwise having a vote.

>>3731047
>>3731007
im actively voting against the first question in this Anons post.

>>3731053
makes sense. so like, each has the same core, but a different shell/specialized organelles?

>>3731053
(Karma came about as a natural result from Charon/Reyva's desire to protect those close to them, chiefly Ozmas. Their potent wish along with their level of craftsmanship ended up making a very rare type of artificial intelligence, even among the Hexane. Normally most Hexane items have some level of autonomy, but to see something that's practically its own person is a once-in-a-lifetime event for the Hexane, and such creations are highly prized.)

>>3731058
>how does the whole Gemma clone thing work? Does each one stay separate if consumed, or combine with our current one mentally? Does using the special consume option affect this?
>...could we like, still get a new core from each clone, as they are technically each a separate daughter? How would that affect the first question?

(Each 'instance' of Gemma that is consumed joins with the current Gemma you have now, becoming closer and closer to her original personality. The instances' Cores, on the other hand, are just like any other. Hence the wording of GEMMA'S YEARNING, in which Julia may ignore the stat and ability gains from consuming a Gemma to instead strengthen said augmentation's stat gains.)

>>3731066
hrm... i guess my concern there then BHOP, is i must be overlooking something, as just a 50%/50% upgrade isnt terrible, but will always be overshadowed by consuming them as a core in terms of raw stat increases, especially if we just melt the core down for stats, but even if we dont, long term the stat increases form a level-able will still outweigh a 50%/50%.

and mind answering my question on talking to the Remnant Daughters?

>>3731053
It could be that Charon uploaded a mindstate copy of herself into the Hexane Contender. Remember Charon's Journal? That Journal is a Relic that relives the entire life experience, thought, and emotion of Charon in her journeys. The Contender is a Hexane made relic.

>>3731058
Fine, I'll try to re-word it. I'm trying to open dialogue to having Cassandra pull Sam out of Shu's head and put it in a Daughter Crystal or something. And apparently doing a horrible job satisfying your aggressive opinion.

Anything better than your horrible option of letting Sam rot into a dream zombie and having her hound our every move and mind every time we walk near Hexane Architecture. You've seen what Zombie Dream daughters do to their hosts when given form (Exhibit A: Isabelle). They're indestructible and persistent unless appeased returned to sanity or exorcised.

>>3731080
(Hm. Perhaps my math is off, but the way I'd envisioned it is that you start with a base HEALTH and BIO bonus of 300% and 160%, respectively. Then, on the consumption of the first Gemma, the bonus goes to 450% and 240%, then on the second it boosts to 670% and 360%, and so on and so forth. I believe the issue was with how I worded the ability, as the 50% increase is actually a 1.5x multiplier that is triggered on the Augmentation's stat bonuses whenever and instance is consumed. Apologies for the confusion.)

(Regarding the Remnant Daughters, you would be able to commune with them via Gina's Neuromancy, much like the Emerald.)

>>3731058
>as much as i have my misgivings abut Francine due to paranoia, i dont think we should aim for that or hope for it.
Well, no, but Francine's aiming for it. She wants to die along with the rest of the Wests. Maybe we can convince her to find a way to destroy their collective without sacrificing herself, but if we don't, we can at least consume her with the Arbiter's Appetite and preserve her that way. Which would also happen to give Shu a skill that is great for her, just pointing that part out.

>makes sense. so like, each has the same core, but a different shell/specialized organelles?
That would be my guess, yeah. Together with the ability to convert between cell types reasonably rapidly, break down specialized organelles for spare parts. Plus whatever weird trick they use to store biomass away, however that works. Put that all together and you'd get the abilities we've observed.

>>3731066
> Normally most Hexane items have some level of autonomy, but to see something that's practically its own person is a once-in-a-lifetime event for the Hexane, and such creations are highly prized.
Reyva really was an amazing artist, huh? I hope we can convince them not to...you know, suicide. At least not immediately after we break Ozmas' hold on them. I know they said that death would be welcome at this point, but I'd love to let Charon have the opportunity to pass on their art and their vision to humanity before they go. Leave a legacy of what was beautiful about the Hexane.

>>3731086
huh? i already said in this threat and gave in as a compromise last thread to just deleting her. no idea what you're talking about, ive given up on that option for over a week now.

>>3731092
ohhh, yeah, see, the issue here is stats are listed as a %, so when you say 50%, im thinking a flat 50 increase to the number, not an increase of 50% of the current total. ok yes thats MUCH better and actually worth it, long term at least. im fine with using % for our stats BHOP but we can have it have a double meaning here. consuming a core still gives us a better outright boost though, unless we consume a good number of Gemmas... which might be spoilers towards future plans of yours id imagine then.

also glad to hear we can communicate with them. everyone ok with us talking to them and seeing what they want, instead of jumping to conclusions?

>>3731104
ah. well... alright. we can see if shes open to the possibilities i suppose.

>>3731092
>>3731124
that being said, would you like me to change the Abilities wording, to avoid future confusion?

>>3731130
(If it's not too much to ask, that would be great.)

>>3731066
wait, and a apologize for stacking questions like this, but wouldn't Gemma getting closer to her original self be... bad? considering her original personality was shattered int FIFTY TWO different pieces, id think that would not be something to strive towards having again.

>>3731133
of course.

>>3731135
(That depends entirely on who she interacts with in the Dreamscape, I'd imagine.)

>>3731007
Rewording my vote >>3731047 concerning having Sam booted out of Shu's head.
>"I have a Daughter inside me named Sam. She's a dream daughter inside me that's lost her sanity. And I would like her out of my head. She is my past. She's who I was before the Crucible started, I've seen who she was, and what she did before the Crucible... I hate it. Is it possible for you to extract her from my mind and turn her into a daughter crystal or exorcise her from my mind?"

>>3731124
And now another option is available. Turn Sam into a Daughter Crystal. It does the same thing which is basically getting rid of Sam from Shu's head. No more Sam intruding in our mind, it gets us a daughter crystal out of the ordeal, and we can just have Sam stay in a dreamless sleep. End of story. No messy ordeal of having to physically fight and kill Sam in the dreamscape.

Come on, I'm trying to work with you here, but it seems that any sort of argument I try to convince you you ignore it or stubbornly dig in your heels until I cave in and appease your damn hardline because you're the first to draw the line in the sand.

>>3731146
i... guess? i just thought a whole point was she herself wanted to avoid that, a sorta 'prove im the real Gemma' type thing, not a 'negate the point of thinking that by splitting my personality again.'?

i mean... if she wants to constantly be shifting personalities again with no control, then... more power to her, i guess? gonna get confusing as hell pretty quickly though, for anyone interacting with her.

>>3731155
Sam isnt Shus past. we have gone to great lengths IC to make a point of that. Shu sees herself as a separate entity from Sam, past included.

ive hardly ignored any argument. disagreeing is not ignoring something. i simply dont think Sam deserves to stick around. its also a useless thing, we could never trust using a crystal with her inside it. we also have no obligation to babysit her mind.

>>3731163
(Gemma's perspective on things have shifted since she actually absorbed a few other 'Gems' that came to her seeking refuge.)

>>3731179
fair enough. i suppose it just boils down to what the other Gemmas want then, when we meet them.... assuming they dont try and kill us and force our hand, that is.

>>3731007
Okay, I think I've got a good question for her.

>"Do you have any knowledge of what the rest of the world is like? I've seen how easy it is for a Daughter to fall to the Hunger just trying to get from here to the Cord. What's it like on other continents, where a Daughter would have to travel to the other side of the world to get here? Is there anyone left, or is it just empty fleshscape with all the survivors having moved on?"

>>3731086
Let me try, see how this lands.

>"There's a girl trapped inside me. Her name is Sam, and she's...I don't know how to describe it, it's too complicated to explain without telling a long story. Someone I could have been, I guess, if things had gone much worse. I don't think I owe her anything, she's a pretty nasty person and her circumstances are mostly her own fault. But being trapped like that is driving her mad, and it doesn't sit right with me to just watch it happen. I'm not that cruel. Is there any way you could do for her what you did for the girls in those Relics? Extract her, store her away in hibernation, so that she doesn't degenerate further?"

>>3731007
right, here's the questions i support voting for, in this format and wording. though only really edited the last one.

>"Who were you before the Crucible? What was your life's story before you became what you are now?"

>"What world events did we set in motion? I figured that Stopping Mother's resurrection and gimping her power was a big thing, and that pulling it off would paint a target on us, but what sort of chain of events did we start in the rest of the world? not just America?"

>"Do you have any knowledge of what the rest of the world is like? I've seen how easy it is for a Daughter to fall to the Hunger just trying to get from here to the Cord. What's it like on other continents, where a Daughter would have to travel to the other side of the world to get here? Is there anyone left, or is it just empty fleshscape with all the survivors having moved on?"

>"There's a girl trapped inside me. Her name is Sam, and she's...I don't know how to describe it, it's too complicated to explain without telling a long story. Someone who may of taken my place in the Crucible, if things had gone much worse. I don't think I owe her anything, she's a pretty nasty person and her circumstances are mostly her own fault. But being trapped like that is driving her mad, and it doesn't sit right with me to just watch it happen. I'm not that cruel. Is there any way you could remove her, painlessly, so she can pass on, where she won't be bound or trapped any longer, nor haunted by her past?

>>3731189
>>3731155
on another note, you guys agree with talking to and asking the Remnant Daughters what they want, instead of deciding for them? Contender-esque Relics would be a great boon, but not at the cost of isolating them from other dream daughters or interrupting their internal sleep if that is so what they wish. that, and id imagine if they do want to help via relics, finding out what type of relic they would prefer might very well offer better boons, due to better synchronization and all that.

but it can, of course, wait IC before we talk to them.

>>3731250
Oh, yeah, definitely get consent before we decide what to do with them. We're not West, we'll put them wherever they decide they want to wind up.

>>3731250
>>3731263
Yes, I do agree. Honestly, I think we've been talking circles around each other again. Or something like that.

We've given our question to Cassandra and asked if she could do anything about Sam.
Moving on.
Do you want to see the Rocket Launch of the Disassociated Ones? Beira did give us the Launch date, and I think it would be a sight for the family to see. Especially Amara. Seeing a Rocket launch into outer space would be a spectacle and a good memory for her to remember with the family.

>>3731007
Amending part of my vote. Including the question of asking Cassandra to help us deal with Sam.

>"What made you decide you wanted to escape the planet?"

>"We have a a child who goes by of Amara in the family. She's a skintalker like you. Young, bubbly, full of happiness, loves a good story. I think you would enjoy meeting her if you had the chance, but given you and your people's mission...Do you have any Lexicon words you would like to pass on to her as something to remember you by?"

One more thing to add:

>Spawn a FuzzBuzz, cute and fluffy. Have it fly and land next to Cassandra's Face, have it snuggle next to the approximation of Cassandra's neck and cheek before becoming dormant and attuned to Cassandra.
>"You may be a face in the wall, but you're still a daughter. You're still human. I remembered reading an article that Astronauts on the Space Station ask for pictures, sounds, and various things from Earth because they feel homesick from living a long time in space. So whenever and feel homesick on your journey through space, you'll have this bumblebee that I call "Fuzzbuzz" by your side. Something to remind you of what Earth once looked like before the Crucible. Something to remind you of what you are, who you are, where you're from, and...a reason for living."

>>3731356
>Do you want to see the Rocket Launch of the Disassociated Ones? Beira did give us the Launch date, and I think it would be a sight for the family to see. Especially Amara. Seeing a Rocket launch into outer space would be a spectacle and a good memory for her to remember with the family.
Maybe from a very great distance. Unless you're launching from one of the geomagnetic poles, the safe fallout distance on a nuclear pulse rocket is eighty kilometers. No way we're getting close enough to watch it take off. We can see it once it rises higher into the air, but we're not going to see the launch itself. None of us have immunity to radiant damage, even Julia can only absorb it for three rounds, let's stay away from the fallout zone. I'm sure the Crucible will cleanse the particles quickly enough, but until that time we shouldn't even get close to the launch site.

>"What made you decide you wanted to escape the planet?"
That's a good one to ask, yeah. We should fold it into a general "what was your life in the Crucible like" question to add to the "what was your life before the Crucible".

>>Spawn a FuzzBuzz, cute and fluffy. Have it fly and land next to Cassandra's Face, have it snuggle next to the approximation of Cassandra's neck and cheek before becoming dormant and attuned to Cassandra.
I don't know, is the Disassociated's ship even going to have life support? They're all pretty heavily cyberneticized, there might not be any air on the ship. Not to mention that even if FuzzBuzz could survive on the ship, they might not let him on because of his mass penalty. Every gram counts. It's a nice thought, but might not be viable. You know what could work, though? Let her make recordings of FuzzBuzz, store them in the memory crystals for any Disassociated who want to play with VirtualBuzz.

>>3731007

>Write In.

>What was your pre and post crucible life like? What made you want to go to space and join the DOs?

>What happend when Isabell and by extension mother were beaten. You must have heard it. But we are not sure what exactly it means since we were a bit deaf from being so close to its origin.

>Any noticaeable events in the world we maybe should care about? How do the other continents look. Are they a a malstrom of violence and carnage or how is the world beyond america fairing?

Last question:

>I have a little problem in the name of Sam. She is isolated in my dreamscape since i woke up and is getting more mad and like a zombie by the day.
>She and i wear the same face, share the same voice but we are different entitiys and she is jealous that i am in control of my own actions and it drives her mad.
>Could you remove her like you did them and put her to sleep in a crystal? While she is a horrrible person i would like to get her some help...... After the Crucible is over

>>3731092
Yeah Modifiers are always a bit of a bitch if you use a percentile system.

>"Gimme your Lexicon! I'm getting my little girl a freaking dictionary for her birthday!"

More seriously, I want to know if she has any more insight about the Halos and the different types we may run across.

>>3731356
>Honestly, I think we've been talking circles around each other again. Or something like that.
not really. its just its an open aired opinion. we have precedence for both deleting her and crystallizing her, its just down to an opinion now.

what we dont, id argue, is Shu not seeing herself connected to Sam at all, like the first part i pointed out. we have very much spent quite alot of time making the statement we dont see any part of Sam as ourselves, and dont think it would make any sense to suddenly change that now.

>"We have a a child who goes by of Amara in the family. She's a skintalker like you. Young, bubbly, full of happiness, loves a good story. I think you would enjoy meeting her if you had the chance, but given you and your people's mission...Do you have any Lexicon words you would like to pass on to her as something to remember you by?"
oh yeah, we never did do Amaras word allocations yet. guess that just more for the pile then... fucking hell her word list is gonna probably double by the time we actually get around to that, if not more.

>>3731365
>I don't know, is the Disassociated's ship even going to have life support? They're all pretty heavily cyberneticized, there might not be any air on the ship. Not to mention that even if FuzzBuzz could survive on the ship, they might not let him on because of his mass penalty. Every gram counts. It's a nice thought, but might not be viable. You know what could work, though? Let her make recordings of FuzzBuzz, store them in the memory crystals for any Disassociated who want to play with VirtualBuzz.
i think the point was just to give her a cute gift, regardless of if she can take it up with her or not in the end, its simply our gesture of friendship. that, and im positive their methods of space travel is probably advanced enough to have more wiggle room for personal items. the lack of needing a massive stockpile of food probably helps there too.

>>3731365
you're pretty spot on on the reason for giving Cassandra a gift, but it's also a way to keep them from going insane, homesick, and to ensure their humanity stays intact longer. Also, because of the nature of our power, we might be able to communicate with them post-crucible if our range in activating our swarmlings is truly unlimited.

>>3731737
Ian not sure they can turn hunger mad anymore and they probably have packed quite a lot of digital entertainment and organized artists as well. Maybe they can become insane anymore by locking their neural patterns into certain ways of thinking to suppress emotions. A group like the DOs does not survive without a lot of planning and taking such things into consideration.

And deep space missions as they are gonna try to undertake require that more than anything else.

But maybe they will just go into some kind of sleep with minimal crew awake to bring them to another planet.

They would probably go for a nearby planet or large moon like Mars or something to build up a new civilisation or a new board to gather material to go even further...... If they manage to Pierce the crucibles outer layer

My guess is they will go splat against it's membrane and maybe some will survive to roam the outer layers of it's shell

But the communication thought is a good one we should probably do it even if she can not take it with her

>>3731743
>I am not sure they can turn hunger mad anymore
Thus is meant to say I am sure they can't turn hunger mad anymore

>>3731743
It's not about the hunger that I'm concerned about, it's the fact that they don't have any physical reminder of what earth used to look like. I know they can't go hunger mad, but they can go mad in different ways.

>>3731749
the problem is many of them might not care anymore already. as it was described, their ability to probably understand things past themselves has been greatly diminished. no organization so, well, disassociated, that they both know we have a bad history with West but cant understand how we would have a negative reaction to meeting a West, is a group of people id trust to even still understand what a connection to a home really is. hell, its probably a major reason they are so willing to just leave, and didn't care to help even with a possible crucible ending event.

>>3731749
I think their emotions areso stunted and their society so cold already they would already be considered insane by our standards.

Most of them won't care for anything but technology anymore. They are so far removed from humans as a machine is.

They can't really understand us anymore. And concepts like madness are alien to them. They are pretty much machines and machines can slow down. For most of them the journey won't be more than days even if it lasts years

>>3731754
How about we word it so that to them the Defiant Huntress gives them her blessings on their endeavors by gifting them a FuzzBuzz. As long as one of them can understand that, then the gesture of giving them a gift will be fulfilled. It's also why I think giving a fuzzbuzz to Cassandra will have the most impact.

>>3731761
I apologize if how i worded things was confusing, but you seem to be misinterpreting what i am saying. i was merely having a discussion and talking about the DOs as a whole, not the specific situation. i have no qualms with how you currently have worded and planned to give Cassandra a Fuzzbuzz, nor was i talking about Cassandra specifically. i was merely pointing out, in part, that the DOs probably dont care about that stuff.

Cassandra still might though, and making friends and showing our gratitude never hurts. worse case, she cant understand the gesture, best case, we made he little cave a little bit brighter, and gave her something good to remember earth by... and if we want to get depressing, also might be the only spec of emotion she can still call upon, as if she still can connect like that, she might be the only one once they leave who still can, and id imagine that might start to wear on her.
im now imagining a really depressing scene of Cassandra snuggling up to the Fuzzbuzz while sniffling as she realizes she now trapped in space with basically people no better than robots, and feels even more alone than she ever did trapped in the basement.

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>>3731007

"Who were you before the Crucible? What was your life's story before you became what you are now?" You begin, and Cassandra chuckles.

“Ha, you don’t hold anything back…though I’d expect nothing less of The Defiant, The Hunter of Gods. Oh, the titles you’ll hold.” The face muses, losing herself in thought before her focus snaps back to the present, or rather the past. “To earn money, I painted the dead. Dressed them up for funerals, back when you could bury a body. I made good money, and it funded my love of knowledge…a common theme among the Disassociated, I’d imagine. Chasing what could be, rather than what is.”

"What world events did we set in motion?” Gina interjects, her curiosity getting the better of her. “I figured that stopping Mother's resurrection and gimping her power was a big thing. It’s obvious that pulling it off would paint a target on us, but what sort of chain of events did we start in the rest of the world? Like, in other countries?"

“The Heartbound, so keen of mind…your actions in Almath have sparked a wave of defiance worldwide. It was common knowledge that the cycle was static, that Mother was the god of this trial, and that too large a group would falter and crumble…you have brought these notions tumbling down with the blow you struck at the heart of the Hexane.” Cassandra intones, her pale grey gaze fixed on Gina’s hazel eyes. “Those that wish to fight the cycle will seek you out…as will those who see your family as a means to an end, alive or dead.”

"Do you have any knowledge of what the rest of the world is like?” You say, trying to suppress the chill that her last answer set shuddering through your body. “I've seen how easy it is for a Daughter to fall to the Hunger just trying to get from here to the Cord. What's it like on other continents, where a Daughter would have to travel to the other side of the world to get here? Is there anyone left, or is it just empty fleshscape with all the survivors having moved on?"

“Oh it’s quite active, I assure you.” She says, a note of pride in her voice on behalf of the brave souls out in the Fleshscape. “There are cloisters of Daughters far and wide, each and every one with their own way of keeping sane in a cruel world. However, these settlements are vastly outnumbered by the squadrons of Daughters that march towards the Cord, to say nothing of the lone warriors that could bring this world to its knees by their lonesome. There are a great many like Mara that are coming for the Cord, Defiant…and just as many that are coming for you.”

(Continued)

>>3731883

"What made you decide you wanted to escape the planet?" November crackles, her clumsy attempt at diverting the conversation to more pleasant matters no less appreciated. Cassandra’s attention snaps to the metal warrior beside you, and she smiles warmly.

“For the same reason you decided to stay, Heather Neeson…the past. I’ve give up much of what I used to be, and I’m afraid I’ve given up too much to get back in the hopes of fleeing the past. Running takes pieces of you, bit by bit…in my haste, I’ve become what you see before you know.”

{Well, that’s…cryptic as fuck} Gina says drolly. You catch a twinkle in Cassandra’s eyes, the crack of an amused smile just before you speak up once more.

"We have a child who goes by of Amara in our family. She's a Skintalker like you. Young, bubbly, full of happiness, loves a good story. I think you would enjoy meeting her if you had the chance, but given you and your people's mission...do you have any Lexicon words you would like to pass on to her as something to remember you by?"

“If you don’t mind a slight inconvenience, then by all means…” She murmurs in reply, and a lance of pain spears through your temples as your mind is filled with alien words you don’t understand. They’re not meant for you, as a gift from one Skintalker to another.

>>LEXICON OF FLESH: 3 New Words Obtained (Words will be awarded when Amara is next accepted into the party.)

“T-thank you.” Comes your pained token of appreciation as you squint past the uncomfortable sensation that slowly fading from your skull. “There was something else that I wanted to ask you, given your skills as a Phantasmal Conduit. There’s a girl trapped inside me, her name is…”

“Sam. Yes, I’m aware.”

You blink.

“I…yes. Sam.” You affirm, swallowing hard. “I don't think I owe her anything, she's a pretty nasty person and her circumstances are mostly her own fault. But being trapped like that is driving her mad, and it doesn't sit right with me to just watch it happen. I'm not that cruel. Is there any way you could remove her, painlessly, so she can pass on, where she won't be bound or trapped any longer, nor haunted by her past?”

“I’ve met one like you, before.” Begins Cassandra’s measured reply. “One caught between new and old, life and death. They requested that I separate them, but…the attempt almost killed both. They were faced with two options; acceptance, or rejection. They opted for the former, existing as one, and shifting from one life to another in harmony. Rejection…would require a Sparagmos Engine, which is not something they’d encountered at the time. I do wonder how they’re doing, now?”

(Continued)

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>>3731885

“Hey, just something that’s been bugging me a bit.” Gina announces, taking a step towards the face in the wall. “The Halos. We know that there are several, and we have one in our possession. Would you happen to know anything about them, or where we might find the others?”

“Ah yes, I think and I know things.” Cassandra hums, giving Gina a little wink as the wires and cables undulate over the luminous, artificial eyes. “Actually, I have something that may help you in that regard.”

The wall’s eyes glance towards the proxy that’s been content to stay in the shadows, until now.

“Francine, would you be so kind as to go to Storage Room six-thirty-one and retrieve item seven-seven-eight? I’d go myself, but I’m afraid I’m all thumbs today.” Cassandra jests, and you see the ghost of a smile alight on Francine’s lips before she bows, returning to the elevator and disappearing from sight as the doors slide closed behind you.

You turn to Cassandra, gaze affixed to yours as she speaks the instant the double-doors shut.

“She sees you as a kindred spirit, you know.” Cassandra declares, taking you aback. “Borne from beasts and the sins of the past, fighting against what the world calls you to become…what it says you should be.”

She smiles.

“She’d never dare to ask, but she wishes to journey with you. Regardless of how you use this information, she intends to stay behind when we take off. Whether with allies or alone, she desires to right the wrongs of her past. You have inspired that dream within her, stoked the fires of hope. You have a habit of that, you know. She’s not the first, and she won’t be the last.”

The wires and pipes shift around the face, in the closest approximation of a shrug the Daughter can manage.

“Your path is your own, no-one else’s. It’s a simple, obvious thing, but one that many lose track of in life…Lord knows I did.” Cassandra sighs. “You are in control, Shu. Just remember that not everyone is as lucky to have a hand on the reins of fate as you and yours.”

>>Ask something else (Write-In)

>>Ask about Francine.

>>Leave, and give her a FuzzBuzz as a parting gift.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL

(Gentlemen, voting shall remain open for the next two hours.)

>>3731885
hrm... well like hell are we doing acceptance.Sams made it very clear her feelings on us, and despite the futility of it, has never wasted an opportunity to try and harm us. the only question then really becomes how an engine allows for rejection here.

>>3731891
>>Leave, and give her a FuzzBuzz as a parting gift.
if Francine is so keen to give traveling with us a try, then regardless of anyone's opinion on allowing her to actually do that(im actually for it.), then id think she herself would be more than willing to answer any questions we have about her herself.

otherwise, nothing left to ask her. shame she feels the need to leave so strongly, im actually really interested in that odd duality she has. on one hand, she seems to whole heartily trust us and what we are doing, and its ability to succeed, yet that in no way makes her wish to stay. i suppose in a way it points out something we have overlooked, that perhaps their reason for leaving has little to do with whether the crucible can be overcome or not, at least for many of them.

>>3731899
also, it sounds like our future endevours will get... quite interesting. seems Mother might hardly be the worst of them to have put a price on our head. and while im sure theres some fine and wonderful daughters out there hopping with joy to meet us, she said it herself, they are hardly the majority.

>>3731891
>"What was Francine like when she first came here? How did she change during her stay?"

>"Would there be anything that would prompt you and your people to return to Earth post-crucible's end? Or do you intend to journey through the final frontier of space for eternity? Every ship needs a port to return to, and the Disassociated One's Rocket ship is no exception."

>Give Cassandra a FuzzBuzz as a parting gift. Have it land on the crook near Cassandra's "neck" and cheek. before turning dormant.

>"I remember reading an article saying that Astronauts frequently get homesick, and they often make phonecalls to Earth, and ask for things from Earth. Pictures of Forests, trees, mountains, rivers...things that remind them of home. The voyage you and the Disassociated Ones will make will be long. Very long. You may be a face in the wall as you are now, but you're still human. You're still from planet Earth. So whenever you feel homesick, you'll have a FuzzBuzz by your side to remind you...of home, who you are, where you came from, and a reason for living. And perhaps sometime in the future...when I'm strong enough, I'll be able to give you a phonecall through Fuzzbuzz between the vast reaches of space, to say hello to you and your disassociated ones."

>>3731907
(FuzzBuzz gifting is locked-in, so no worries. It's too cute to pass up.)

>>3731910
With how much we do this, bee-gifting is just going to become a custom of the post-Crucible world, isn't it? It's just going to be something that people do, before they part give each other bees. For those who don't have appropriate Hive Mistress powers, little bee tokens will be exchanged.

>>3731891

>Leave with a FuzzBuzz per as a parting gift and kind words
>"I hope you can find at least some happiness on your voyage. never loose hope there is always a new dawn before you. All you have to do is venture through the darkest night and despair to get to it. Take Fuzzbuzz with you may he remind you of this world the world you leave behind. May he warm you when you feel cold and alone in the world of steel and logiuc you enter."

Having Francine as a party member could be interesting definetly should be something we at least talk over with her

You know, now that we've asked Cassandra of the possible options on the Sam issue, we've got 2 options, acceptance or rejection.

Rejection would likely involve using a sparagmos engine with the revive function since the only way to separate the host daughter from the dream daughter is to resurrect the dream daughter.

But the issue is that resurrecting Sam uses up our last revival charge from Mara's purified Sparagmos engine. So is it worth resurrecting a girl who wanted agency and freedom, yet had to use underhanded means?

We're not going to be cruel and let her rot into zombie daughter state, and acceptance involves time intensive process of talking it out and settling the differences between Shu and Sam.

>>3731928
no. we are simply not even entertaining the acceptance option and we are not wasting a limited resource on her. if she rots she rots. its a different situation now, before we thought we had other options, now we know the only two others are prices shes not worth or are not worth the risk.

>>3731934
Shu has just now stated how she doesn't want that to happen. I'll give acceptance a shot to resolve this instead of dismissing it immediately. And at least ask Gina and Rath beforehand about what they think or possibly helping with it.

>>3731936
she said that when she thought there was another option to take. we have the exact opposite of any reason to even entertain the idea of the acceptance option, it would be the dumbest thing imaginable to do it. and the Engine is highly limited resource in which any number of other dream daughters deserve that more than her, to which we still haven't let them have it. situations change, that this is a significant change in what options we thought we had available.

>>3731928
We wont do acceptance. she is no one we want to invest the resources in to make her something which she will only throw away. She is already absolutely hateful of us. Giving her a body will only make things worse.

We will not use the engine on her she is so NOT worth it.

We can ask Gina and Rath about it but puriging her is probably the quickest and leasst painful for all involved.

Sam is no longer a full person(she lost so much) she would not be able to function she may be to far gone already

>>3731939
>>3731928
actually that is a fair point, Cassandra never said she couldn't be deleted, only separating her intact was not an option.